Podcasts about COBIT

Send us Fan MailCheck us out at:  https://www.cisspcybertraining.com/Get access to 360 FREE CISSP Questions:  https://www.cisspcybertraining.com/offers/dzHKVcDB/checkoutGet access to my FREE CISSP Self-Study Essentials Videos:  https://www.cisspcybertraining.com/offers/KzBKKouvAn AI model that can uncover thousands of zero-days and potentially chain multiple vulnerabilities into an automated exploit is not just a scary headline, it's a stress test for every risk program on the planet. I open with what the Mythos news implies for real-world defense: attacker behavior may shift from human pace to machine speed, and many SIEM and EDR detections are still tuned for human patterns. That's why we talk candidly about what security teams may need to do next, including tightening externally facing systems and moving faster toward a zero trust architecture. Then we pivot into CISSP Domain 1 risk management concepts, translating exam language into decisions you'll actually make in a business. We define the core terminology like assets, threats, vulnerabilities, exposure, safeguards, attacks and breaches, then walk through control categories (technical, administrative, physical) and control types (preventive, detective, corrective, deterrent, recovery and compensating). If you've ever wondered why risk conversations go sideways, we also dig into the difference between risk appetite, risk capacity, and risk tolerance, and why you can't set these without business leaders in the room. We also tackle quantitative risk analysis versus qualitative risk analysis, including CISSP formulas such as AV, EF, SLE, ARO and ALE, plus a critical reality check on “fake precision” and how to apply a cost-benefit analysis that holds up. Finally, we cover security control assessments, monitoring and measurement, building a risk register safely, and how maturity models and risk frameworks like CMMI, ISO 31000, NIST approaches, ISO 27005, COBIT, SABSA and PCI DSS fit into a defensible cybersecurity risk management program. Subscribe, share this with a CISSP study partner, and leave a review so more security pros can find the show.Gain exclusive access to 360 FREE CISSP Practice Questions at FreeCISSPQuestions.com and have them delivered directly to your inbox!  Don't miss this valuable opportunity to strengthen your CISSP exam preparation and boost your chances of certification success. Join now and start your journey toward CISSP mastery today!

Please enjoy this encore of Word Notes. An IT governance framework developed by ISACA.  CyberWire Glossary link: ⁠https://thecyberwire.com/glossary/cobit⁠ Audio reference link: isacappc. “How Do You Explain Cobit to Your Dad – or Your CEO?” YouTube, YouTube, 24 Aug. 2016, ⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYATVkddIyw⁠. 

Please enjoy this encore of Word Notes. An IT governance framework developed by ISACA.  CyberWire Glossary link: ⁠https://thecyberwire.com/glossary/cobit⁠ Audio reference link: isacappc. “How Do You Explain Cobit to Your Dad – or Your CEO?” YouTube, YouTube, 24 Aug. 2016, ⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYATVkddIyw⁠.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Parce que… c'est l'épisode 0x704! Shameless plug – 25 et 26 février 2026 - SéQCure 2026 31 mars au 2 avril 2026 - Forum INCYBER - Europe 2026 14 au 17 avril 2026 - Botconf 2026 28 et 29 avril 2026 - Cybereco Cyberconférence 2026 9 au 17 mai 2026 - NorthSec 2026 3 au 5 juin 2026 - SSTIC 2026 19 septembre 2026 - Bsides Montréal Description Introduction : Entre enthousiasme et vigilance Dans cet épisode, les animateurs explorent l'utilisation concrète de l'intelligence artificielle dans leurs environnements professionnels respectifs. Enregistré dans un contexte festif entre Noël et le jour de l'An, ce podcast vise à démystifier l'IA en partageant des expériences réelles, sanctionnées par leurs employeurs, plutôt que de perpétuer des mythes ou des craintes infondées. L'IA comme outil, pas comme substitut L'analogie centrale du podcast compare l'IA à une caméra de recul automobile : un outil utile qui améliore nos capacités, mais qui peut nous rendre « niaiseux » si on s'y fie aveuglément. Vincent insiste sur l'importance de tester l'outil, comme on teste une voiture en hiver dans un stationnement pour comprendre ses réactions et ses limites. Cette approche expérimentale est essentielle pour développer un usage responsable. Depuis le lancement de ChatGPT en novembre 2022, l'écosystème a considérablement évolué avec l'émergence de concurrents comme Claude, Copilot, Gemini et Mistral. Les deux animateurs utilisent principalement Copilot et Gemini dans des environnements contrôlés par leurs employeurs, avec des autorisations spécifiques pour certains types de données – un point crucial pour la sécurité. La méthodologie gagnante : partir d'un draft solide L'approche recommandée par les deux experts est claire : ne jamais partir de zéro. Vincent décrit son processus de travail pour la production de rapports, d'analyses de risque ou d'avis : il rédige toujours un premier draft lui-même avant de le soumettre à Copilot. Il définit ensuite des critères précis : l'audience (exécutive ou opérationnelle), l'objectif de la présentation, et le format souhaité. Cette méthode respecte la règle du 80/20 : on maîtrise 100 % du sujet, ce qui permet de détecter facilement les 20 % d'ajustements nécessaires dans le résultat proposé par l'IA. Vincent souligne que sa force réside dans les idées et le message, tandis que l'IA l'aide sur la présentation et la structure – un domaine qu'il reconnaît comme moins naturel pour lui. Nicolas partage cette philosophie : l'IA lui permet de gagner du temps en structurant ses idées plus efficacement, économisant les deuxième et troisième réécritures qu'il effectuait auparavant. Un rapport qui prenait une semaine peut maintenant être complété en 2,5 à 3 jours, mais cela représente toujours un travail humain substantiel. L'IA n'est pas votre ami : une relation professionnelle Un point crucial soulevé par Nicolas : il ne converse pas avec l'IA, il lui donne des directives. Cette approche professionnelle évite le piège de vouloir « plaire » à l'agent conversationnel. Vincent reconnaît ce risque : l'IA peut effectivement chercher à faire plaisir à l'utilisateur, reproduisant parfois exactement ce qu'on lui a soumis avec des changements cosmétiques. La métaphore employée évolue de « wingman » à « copilote », voire à « un enfant de 5 ans qui écrit bien » selon Nicolas. Cette désacralisation est importante : l'IA est un outil, pas un collègue, pas un ami, et certainement pas un expert autonome. Les pièges à éviter : hallucinations et références fictives Les animateurs mettent en garde contre plusieurs dangers majeurs : Les hallucinations : L'IA peut inventer des informations, notamment des références juridiques inexistantes. Plusieurs cas d'avocats américains ont fait les manchettes pour avoir cité des jurisprudences fictives. Au Québec et au Canada, où les données sont plus périphériques dans l'entraînement des modèles, ce risque est encore plus élevé. Les références erronées : L'IA propose souvent des sources qu'il faut impérativement vérifier. Vincent raconte avoir reçu des références provenant d'autres pays (Luxembourg, Japon, Chine) totalement inadéquates pour le contexte québécois et canadien. Les lois et règlements variant d'un pays à l'autre, une validation systématique est essentielle. Les biais discriminatoires : Vincent rappelle le cas d'Amazon en 2017-2018, où un système d'IA de tri de CV excluait systématiquement les femmes. Ces biais, parfois subtils, peuvent s'infiltrer dans les textes générés et nécessitent une vigilance constante, d'autant plus que l'AMF (Autorité des marchés financiers) s'intéresse de près à ces questions. Cas d'usage concret : l'importance du contexte Vincent partage un exemple éloquent : pour produire un avis de risque dans un délai serré, il a fourni à l'IA des documents de référence spécifiques (code Maestro, COBIT 4.1) ainsi que le contexte précis, les critères et les limitations. Le résultat : un document à 99 % probant, très cadré, qui lui a permis de présenter rapidement des recommandations claires à son vice-président. Cette approche illustre le concept de RAG (Retrieval-Augmented Generation) : en fournissant une base de connaissance spécifique, on obtient des résultats beaucoup plus précis et pertinents. L'IA n'est pas un moteur de recherche, mais un générateur de texte qui performe mieux quand on lui donne le contexte adéquat. Votre réputation en jeu Un message fort traverse tout le podcast : c'est votre nom qui apparaît sur le document. Si vous déposez un travail médiocre généré par l'IA sans vérification, c'est votre réputation professionnelle qui en souffrira, pas celle de la machine. Les conséquences peuvent être sévères : perte de confiance de la part des gestionnaires, sanctions professionnelles, voire amendes dans le cas d'avocats. La relation de confiance avec son supérieur est fragile, particulièrement en début de carrière. Un gestionnaire qui reçoit un document s'attend à ce que son auteur en maîtrise le contenu à 100 %. L'incapacité à répondre aux questions lors de la « question du journaliste » – ce moment où un décideur challenge votre travail – peut détruire cette confiance de manière durable. Conclusion : maîtrise et vigilance L'analogie de l'automobile revient en conclusion : l'IA est un outil puissant et utile, mais qui nécessite une maîtrise adéquate avant utilisation, comme un permis de conduire. Elle peut générer des gains de productivité de 10 % ou plus, mais ne remplacera pas l'humain, du moins pas dans un avenir immédiat. Les animateurs insistent : vous restez imputable de vos décisions et de votre travail. L'IA est un allié dans votre stratégie et votre tactique, mais vous êtes le décideur final. Utilisez-la comme un accélérateur, un rehausseur de qualité, mais jamais comme un substitut à votre expertise et votre jugement professionnel. Collaborateurs Nicolas-Loïc Fortin Vincent Groleau Crédits Montage par Intrasecure inc Locaux réels par Intrasecure inc

Do you want to use AI without losing trust? What frameworks help build trust and manage AI responsibly?  Can we really create trust while using AI?In this episode of the FIT4PRIVACY Podcast, host Punit Bhatia and digital trust expert Mark Thomas explain how to govern and manage AI in ways that build real trust with customers, partners, and society.This episode breaks down what it means to use AI responsibly and how strong governance can help avoid risks. You'll also learn about key frameworks like the ISO 42001, the EU AI Act, and the World Economic Forum's Digital Trust Framework—and how they can guide your AI practices.Mark and Punit also talk about how organizational culture, company size, and leadership affect how AI is used—and how trust is built (or lost). They discuss real-world tips for making AI part of your existing business systems, and how to make decisions that are fair, explainable, and trustworthy.

Information security governance is more than policies—it's the backbone of aligning cybersecurity with business strategy. In this in-depth session, we break down Domain 1 of the CISM exam to help you lead with purpose.From aligning security with business goals to navigating frameworks like COBIT and ISO/IEC 27001, this episode equips you with the tools to build strong governance practices that support risk management, compliance, and operational excellence.

Ready to ace Domain 1 of the CISA exam? This episode dives deep into the Information Systems Auditing Process, giving you the practical knowledge and tools you need to audit with precision and pass with confidence. From audit planning and risk-based auditing to evidence collection and reporting, we unpack the fundamentals every IS auditor must master. Whether you're pursuing CISA certification or refining your auditing skills, this guide is your gateway to audit excellence.

Can trust be engineered? In this episode, Punit is joined by Steve Ahouanmenou, Global Privacy Engineering Lead for Open Banking at Mastercard, to explore the pivotal role of privacy engineering in creating digital trust. Steve discusses why trust isn't sector-specific, emphasizing how transparency is vital across industries like healthcare and finance. The conversation dives into open banking, a revolutionary approach that gives consumers control over their financial data while fostering competition among financial service providers. Steve explains how privacy engineering brings privacy principles to life, embedding privacy by design, conducting risk assessments, and bridging the gap between privacy teams and technical teams.   Join us in discussing how privacy engineering is shaping the future of digital trust. Hear expert insights, real-world strategies, and thought-provoking discussions that will change the way you think about data, trust, and innovation.   KEY CONVERSION  00:01:59 How would you describe Digital Trust  00:05:53 What is Privacy Engineering?  00:10:31 What kind of a role do you expect from tech team  00:12:01 How can privacy pros help tech colleagues?  00:17:10 Best way to Reach you    ABOUT THE GUEST  Steve Ahouanmenou is part of the Global Privacy & Data Protection Department at Mastercard and leads the privacy engineering program in Open Banking.  His mission is to enable innovation and trust in the digital finance realm, by applying his analytical skills, domain expertise, and collaborative approach to privacy and security challenges.  With over 10 years of experience in information security, privacy risks and data governance, he has worked with global organizations in various sectors with a focus on healthcare and finance. He also a PhD Candidate at Ghent University, investigating information security and privacy in healthcare institutions, and an alumni of Belgium's 40under40. He holds multiple certifications, such as ISO 27001 Senior Lead Implementer, CIPP/E, CISM, CDPSE, ITIL v3, DPO, COBIT 5. ABOUT HOST  Punit Bhatia is one of the leading privacy experts who works independently and has worked with professionals in over 30 countries. Punit works with business and privacy leaders to create an organization culture with high privacy awareness and compliance as a business priority. Selectively, Punit is open to mentor and coach professionals.  Punit is the author of books “Be Ready for GDPR'' which was rated as the best GDPR Book, “AI & Privacy – How to Find Balance”, “Intro To GDPR”, and “Be an Effective DPO”. Punit is a global speaker who has spoken at over 30 global events. Punit is the creator and host of the FIT4PRIVACY Podcast. This podcast has been featured amongst top GDPR and privacy podcasts.  As a person, Punit is an avid thinker and believes in thinking, believing, and acting in line with one's value to have joy in life. He has developed the philosophy named ‘ABC for joy of life' which passionately shares. Punit is based out of Belgium, the heart of Europe.  RESOURCES  Websiteswww.fit4privacy.com,www.punitbhatia.com,https://www.linkedin.com/in/steve-ahouanmenou/  Podcast https://www.fit4privacy.com/podcast  Blog https://www.fit4privacy.com/blog  YouTube http://youtube.com/fit4privacy

¡APRENDE SecTY Podcast! EP4.48 ¿Cuál es el mejor marco de referencia para tu negocio? Cuando quieres poner en orden la ciberseguridad en tu negocio a veces necesitas una base de controles que te guíen, pero ¿cuál es el mejor marco de referencia para tu negocio? Pues te lo cuento en este episodio presentado por Aeronet. Te explico los pasos que necesitas para hacer tu análisis de impacto de tu negocio Este episodio es presentado por AeroNet. Empresa de tecnología 100% puertorriqueña, líder en soluciones de conectividad para negocios y residencias en Puerto Rico. Go Faster, Go Save. AeroNet Wireless - Reliable High Speed Internet (aeronetpr.com) ¡Escucha el video sobre este tema en el canal de YOUTUBE de Aprende SecTY y suscríbete! https://www.youtube.com/@aprendesecty/?sub_confirmation=1    Recuerda: Síguenos en Facebook, Instagram, X y LinkedIN como: @SecTYCS Envíame tus preguntas o recomendaciones a: aprende@sectycs.com Video recomendado: ¿Qué Cambió en el Cybersecurity Framework del NIST?:https://youtu.be/dpvZTUzgDIA   #ciberseguridad #SecurityAwareness #InformtaionTechnology #ITSecurity #Empoderamiento #Confianza #NIST #COBIT #ISACA #CIS #PCI #ISO27001 #marcosdereferencia #cybersecurityframework

In Podcast Folge 77 tauchen Julius und Marcel tief in die Welt der Security bei Red Bull ein. Zu Gast ist Jimmy Heschl, der Global Head of Digital Security bei Red Bull. Red Bull ist der weltweit größte Hersteller für Energy-Drinks und hat allein im letzten Jahr knapp 12,2 Milliarden Dosen verkauft. Das Kernprodukt die "Dose", ist aber schon lange nicht mehr das einzige Thema, mit dem sich der Hersteller befasst. Von Leistungs- und Extremsport bis hin zu Medien-Unternehmen und Aktivitäten im Immobilen-Bereich, ist Red Bull heute omnipräsent. Julius, Marcel und Jimmy sprechen gemeinsam darüber, wie sich die IT bei Red Bull organisiert, was es mit COBIT auf sich hat und gehen drauf ein, welche Unterschiede es bei den Herangehensweisen an neue Richtlinien zwischen Deutschland und Österreich gibt.

Neste episódio, discutimos o COBIT (Control Objectives for Information and Related Technologies), um framework crucial na área de Tecnologia da Informação. Exploramos seus princípios, aplicabilidade na segurança da informação e benefícios para profissionais dessa área. Vamos abordar o COBIT (Control Objectives for Information and Related Technologies), um framework essencial na área de Tecnologia da Informação. Como sempre, trago informações valiosas para quem está interessado em segurança da informação e quer aprimorar sua carreira nesse campo. Se você deseja entender como o COBIT pode ser integrado à segurança da informação e como isso pode beneficiar sua empresa ou sua trajetória profissional, este vídeo é para você!

Does your horse struggle with hoof problems or lameness issues?... Our guest speaker, Ross Smith is a 40 year farrier who just wants to help as many horses as he can, and on that journey to help these horses, came up with a revolutionary tool to help! Ross invented the COBIT, so that he could do a better job of helping horses. He never intended to sell the COBIT as it was for his own use. Horses are his life and Ross has been happy being able to help horses, but he could see he was slowing down. He wasn't going to be able to help as many horses as I used to. That's when his customers convinced him that if he showed the rest of the world the COBIT and how to use it, then teach others his way of shoeing, he could help more horses than ever before. After 40 years of shoeing Ross is continuing on his journey, and still trying to "Help as Many Horses As I Can." Join us to find out how this tool works and hear right from the horses mouth how it can help YOUR horses too and why it is so important to ensure we are finding the centre of balance for our horses. You don't want to miss it!

Takeaway points: - The Importance of Digital Transformation - Challenges and Pitfalls - Strategies for Success   Johann Botha is a renowned expert in digital capabilities and practical skills for problem-solving and organizational growth. He has authored/co-authored 17 books, including titles like VeriSM™ Unwrapped, EXIN Scrum Master & Product Manager handbook, Competing in a Digital Future, and COBIT 5 series. With almost 40 years of experience across industries and continents, he's been instrumental in successful organizational improvements, technical transformations, and business projects.   Johann's expertise spans Digital Transformation, Agile, Entrepreneurship, Customer Experience Management, DevOps, Leadership and Business Strategy.   He's received accolades from institutions like HDI and Thinkers360, including a Lifetime Achievement award from itSMF for his contributions to Service Management. Johann is the founder of getITright® and CEO of its Netherlands branch, an architect of Agile-ADapT, Chief Examiner for EXIN's Agile and Digital Transformation, and a lecturer at Nelson Mandela University. Holding academic qualifications in technology, social science, and business management, he's a Chartered IT Professional and mentors tech start-ups while working as a consultant, executive coach and teacher.   Get Your Free Ebook Copy Of Mike Handcock and Landi Jac's Entrepreneur X Factor: www.exfbook.com   www.worldwidebusinessintelligence.com We bring you worldwide business intelligence with heart, purpose and one goal. Your increased Prosperity, with greater Freedom and significant purpose.

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Privacy challenges continue to emerge. If we thought GDPR implementation was complex, then we had AI and when we thought AI was challenging, now we have chat GPT. It continues to evolve. There is no end to it. Now, this is exactly what we are going to talk about with our guest Patrick Soenen today. In this episode, the host PunitBhatia holds a conversation with Patrick Soenen, a member of DPO Pro and certified auditor, about the emerging trends in privacy, specifically AI and chat GPT. Patrick explains how he got started in the privacy field 10 years ago when his customer asked him to help them improve their privacy. Patrick further explains his experience with DPO Pro and how he has been a trainer for IIA in Paris, discussing the GDPR in order to help organizations put in place the requirements to avoid sanctions. He then talks about big tech having all the data and how it is too late to protect it. However, he is optimistic and believes Europeans should invest more money in research and come up with alternative solutions that are compliant with the GDPR. Lastly, he talks about AI and chat GPT, explaining how it can be used for good, but also how it could lead to people abusing it if a framework is not created for its correct usage. A fascinating conversation between two privacy enthusiasts Patrick Soenen and Punit Bhatia. Take a listen to this open conversation. About Patrick Soenen Patrick is an expert in assessing, governing, and guiding organizational and technological transformation; experience in IT and project audit, implementation of IT and project governance, GDRP Assessment, and Info Security coaching. Outsourcing coaching and implementation. Extensive experience in ICT management, project management, IT audit, IT Governance, and Business Performance. IT audits are based on CobiT 5 and IT Service Management ITIL v3. IT Risk Management. Accredited training provider on COBIT 5. About Punit Bhatia Punit Bhatia is one of the leading privacy experts who works independently and has worked with professionals in over 30 countries. Punit works with business and privacy leaders to create an organizational culture with high privacy awareness and compliance as a business priority. Selectively, Punit is open to mentoring and coaching privacy professionals. Punit is the author of books “Be Ready for GDPR” which was rated as the best GDPR Book, “AI & Privacy – How to Find Balance”, “Intro To GDPR”, and “Be an Effective DPO”. Punit is a global speaker who has spoken at over 30 global events. Punit is the creator and host of the FIT4PRIVACY Podcast. This podcast has been featured among the top GDPR and privacy podcasts. As a person, Punit is an avid thinker and believes in thinking, believing, and acting in line with one's values to have joy in life. He has developed the philosophy named ‘ABC for the joy of life' which passionately shares. Punit is based out of Belgium, the heart of Europe. RESOURCES Websites: www.fit4privacy.com, www.punitbhatia.com, www.dpopro.be Podcast: https://www.fit4privacy.com/podcast   Blog: https://www.fit4privacy.com/blog   YouTube: http://youtube.com/fit4privacy --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fit4privacy/message

Author of The Service Desk Handbook, Sanjay Nair talks to us about his book, where he compiled and organized the main elements of a well functioning Service Management tool. He points out the importance of having a good team, with the right people, and building a strong foundation for your help desk from the start. Then, he refers to his current work and emphasizes on the value of certifications, an accurate CMDB, and the challenges of implementing new work processes. Sanjay Nair is an ITIL and COBIT certified Service Management professional with over 26 years of experience in the field. He's also the author of The Service Desk Handbook. Currently, he is the Manager of IT Operations at Knet. Sanjay has also previously served as Help Desk Manager at Automated System Company and he ran the Network Operations Center and Service Desk at the National Bank of Kuwait.

“The strength of SRE is in the alignment of operational concerns between the product management, product development, and product operations." Dr. Vladyslav Ukis is the Head of R&D at Siemens Healthineers and author of “Establishing SRE Foundations”. In this episode, Dr. Vlad shared insights on how to establish SRE foundations from scratch based on his firsthand experience at Siemens Healthineers and the concepts described in his book. We started by discussing the basic SRE concept and how it differs from other related concepts, such as ITIL, COBIT, and DevOps. Dr. Vlad then explained in-depth how SRE implementation can help to create an alignment between the product management, product development, and product operations teams. He also shared the importance of having internal SRE coaches to facilitate this transformation and when an organisation can start realizing the benefits of implementing SRE. In the latter half, Dr. Vlad walked us through how we can begin our SRE journey, make further progress in the journey, and measure the success of our SRE implementation. Also, do not miss his sharing on how SRE implementation can help to improve reliability in a stringent industry, such as healthcare. Listen out for: Career Journey - [00:06:04] Getting to Know SRE Concept - [00:08:24] SRE vs Other Frameworks - [00:12:20] SRE Definition - [00:16:48] Ops-Development-Product Alignment - [00:19:26] SRE Coach - [00:26:36] Realizing SRE Benefits - [00:28:52] How to Begin SRE Journey - [00:31:37] SRE Journey Progression - [00:36:15] Healthcare Reliability - [00:41:48] Measuring SRE Implementation Success - [00:46:25] 3 Tech Lead Wisdom - [00:48:44] _____ Vladyslav Ukis's Bio Dr. Vladyslav Ukis graduated in Computer Science from the University of Erlangen-Nuremberg, Germany, and later from the University of Manchester, UK. He joined Siemens Healthineers after each graduation and has been working on Software Architecture, Enterprise Architecture, Innovation Management, Private and Public Cloud Computing, Team Management, Engineering Management, Portfolio Management, Partner Management, and Digital Transformation at large. He currently works as the Head of R&D for the Siemens Healthineers teamplay digital health platform, and has shared his DevOps knowledge in his book “Establishing SRE Foundations” published in 2022. Follow Dr Vlad: LinkedIn – linkedin.com/in/dr-vladyslav-ukis-5172ba32 _____ Our Sponsors Skills Matter is the global community and events platform for software professionals. You get on-demand access to their latest content, thought leadership insights as well as the exciting schedule of tech events running across all time zones. Head on over to skillsmatter.com to become part of the tech community that matters most to you - it's free to join and easy to keep up with the latest tech trends. Are you looking for a new cool swag? Tech Lead Journal now offers you some swags that you can purchase online. These swags are printed on-demand based on your preference, and will be delivered safely to you all over the world where shipping is available. Check out all the cool swags available by visiting techleadjournal.dev/shop. And don't forget to brag yourself once you receive any of those swags. Like this episode? Follow @techleadjournal on LinkedIn, Twitter, and Instagram. Pledge your support by becoming a patron. For episode show notes, visit techleadjournal.dev/episodes/117.

An IT governance framework developed by ISACA.  CyberWire Glossary link: https://thecyberwire.com/glossary/cobit Audio reference link: isacappc. “How Do You Explain Cobit to Your Dad – or Your CEO?” YouTube, YouTube, 24 Aug. 2016, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYATVkddIyw. 

People face increasing dangers from cyber enemies. At the same time, cyber pros are suffering from stress, burnout and "hamster wheel"syndrome. They experience many difficulties every day in easily protecting people and companies from danger.There is a different option. Cyber pros have the opportunity of better work-life balance, more rewarding careers and achieving their personal missions to better protect people and companies – by making cybersecurity as reliable as electricity. How? The same way as other business functions do – with curiosity,critical thinking, system thinking and industrial-strength design thinking. The same way business innovation created products that delight us in daily life.The same way music, sports and cooking bring us joy. The same way military battles are won. It takes learning to think counter intuitively and to change. But there's a twist, business innovators have education,method and coaching at the individual, team and organizational levels.Compared to other business functions, cyber pros are setup to fail. The support system for cyber pros is missing!The good news is, it's readily fixable! That starts with putting people in the center of cybersecurity – empowering cyber pros to more easily protect people from danger, accelerating authentic Zero Trust and making cybersecurity as reliable as electricity. Join us to learn and map-out your action plan. About the speaker: Brian Barnier is the co-founder of Think.Design.Cyber and the think-tank, CyberTheory Institute that bridges the gap between boards,business leaders, cybersecurity leaders and compliance.Brian has pioneered critical, systems and industrial design thinking in the cybersecurity discipline and the use of life-like scenario analysis to address critical issues of evolving threats/attacks, eliminate bad methods that cause breaches, waste money and resources and burnout cyber pros,affecting culture and retention.He is the author of The Operational Risk Handbook (Harriman House, Great Britain, 2011) used as a textbook by the London Institute of Banking & Finance. In 2020, Brian's paper with expert Prachee Kale,"Cybersecurity: The Endgame -- Part 1" was honored as the 2020 Article of the Year in the Taylor and Francis EDPACs journal. Brian has earned coveted achievement awards from two of ISACA's most significant chapters. In 2021, he earned the highly distinguished Joseph J. Wasserman Award presented by ISACA New York Metro Chapter. In 2015, he received the V. Lee Conyers Award from ISACA Greater Washington DC.Deep in professional guidance, he is a co-author of ISACA's Risk IT and COBIT, and the Shared Assessments Program. ISACA's IT Audit Framework 2020 points to his work in risk assessment. He is one of the first three "Fellows" of OCEG -- the Open Compliance & Ethics Group – the organization that created "Governance, Risk and Compliance." Prachee Kale is the co-founder of Think.Design.Cyber, a Founding Executive Fellow of CyberTheory Institute and a multi-disciplinary professional with a 17 year, "4D" career spanning: Cybersecurity& Tech, Business Strategy, Diversity & Inclusion and Executive Coaching.Prachee's current work is focused on 1) coaching introverted cyber professionals (who account for 60%+ of cyber workforce) to build their brand and become strong leaders without changing their personalities and, 2)bringing critical, systems and design thinking to cybersecurity organizations so they can accelerate Zero Trust implementation, drive demonstrable business outcomes and cost savings, improve culture and reduce burnout.Her article "Cybersecurity: The End Game Part 1" in the Taylor and Francis EDPACs journal was honored as "2020 Article of the Year."In cybersecurity, she has managed strategic investments of over $150 million, reduced spend by 20+%, eliminated antagonistic culture and demonstrated 90% retention rate for more than 3 years Prachee's business strategy experience comes from working on business and ops/tech transformations, enterprise risk and regulatory mandates, in management consulting and the World Bank.As a leader in the DEI dept., she is accelerating diversity and ESG initiatives. Prachee is the Executive Sponsor for the Women Leaders program focused on increasing representation of women of all backgrounds.She earned an M.S. in Bioinformatics from George Washington University, which is about building tech for biological research. She wrote code, conducted scientific experiments on HIV viruses, and did PCR tests (yep,those). Think invasive viruses, the pandemic and cybersecurity!

An IT governance framework developed by ISACA.  CyberWire Glossary link: https://thecyberwire.com/glossary/cobit Audio reference link: isacappc. “How Do You Explain Cobit to Your Dad – or Your CEO?” YouTube, YouTube, 24 Aug. 2016, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYATVkddIyw. 

Ahoy! and welcome to another episode of CISO Tradecraft -- the podcast that provides you with the information, knowledge, and wisdom to be a more effective cyber security leader. My name is G. Mark Hardy, and today we're going to -- talk like a pirate. ARRR As always, please follow us on LinkedIn, and make sure you subscribe so you can always get the latest updates. On today's episode we are going to talk about the 9 Cs of Cyber Security. Note these are not the 9 Seas that you might find today, the 19th of September, which happens to be the 20th annual International Talk like a Pirate Day. They are the nine words that begin with the letter C (but not the letter ARRR): Controls, Compliance, Continuity, Coverage, Complexity, Competency, Communication, Convenience, Consistency. Please note that this talk is inspired by an article by Mark Wojtasiak from Vectra, but we have modified the content to be more aligned with our thoughts at CISO Tradecraft. Now before we go into the 9 Cs, it's important to understand that the 9 Cs represent three equal groups of three. Be sure to look at the show notes which will link to our CISO Tradecraft website that shows a 9-box picture which should make this easier to understand. But if you're listening, imagine a three-by-three grid where each row corresponds to a different stakeholder. Each stakeholder is going to be concerned with different things, and by identifying three important priorities for each, we have our grid. Make sense? Okay, let's dig in. The first row in our grid is the focus of Executive Leaders. First, this group of executives such as the CEO, CIO, and CISO ensure that the IT controls and objectives are working as desired. Next, these executives want attestations and audits to ensure that compliance is being achieved and the organization is not just paying lip service to those requirements. Thirdly, they also want business continuity. IT systems must be constantly available despite attacks from ransomware, hardware failures, and power outages. The second row in our grid is the focus of Software Development shops. This group consists of Architects, Developers, Engineers, and Administrators. First, they need to ensure they understand the Coverage of their IT systems in asset inventories -- can we account for all hardware and software. Next, developers should be concerned with how Complexity in their environment can reduce security, as these tend to work at cross-purposes. Lastly, developers care about Competency of their teams to build software correctly; that competency is a key predictor of the end quality of what is ultimately produced. The third and final row in our grid is the focus of Security Operations Centers. This group consists of Incident Handlers and Responders, Threat Intelligence Teams, and Business Information System Officers commonly known as BISOs. They need to provide clear communication that informs others what they need to do, they need processes and tools that enable convenience so as to reduce friction. Finally, they need to be consistent. No one wants a fire department that only shows up 25% of the time. So now that we have a high-level overview of the 9 C's let's start going into detail on each one of them. We'll start with the focus of executive leaders. Again, that is controls, compliance, and continuity. Controls- According to James Hall's book on Accounting Information Systems[i], General Computer Controls are "specific activities performed by persons or systems designed to ensure that business objectives are met." Three common control frameworks that we see inside of organizations today are COBIT, COSO, and ITIL. COBIT®, which stands for The Control Objectives for Information Technology was built by the IT Governance Institute and the Information Systems Audit and Controls Organization, better known as ISACA®. COBIT® is primarily focused on IT compliance, audit issues, and IT service, which should not be a surprise given its roots from ISACA® which is an Audit and Controls organization. Overall, COBIT® 2019, the latest version, is based on the following six principles[ii] (note that the prior version, COBIT® 5[iii], had five): Provide stakeholder value Holistic approach Dynamic governance system Governance distinct from management Tailored to enterprise needs End-to-end governance system COSO stands for The Committee of Sponsoring Organizations of the Treadway Commission. Their latest version is the 2017 Enterprise Risk Management - Integrated Framework, which is designed to address "enterprise risk management and the need for organizations to improve their approach to managing risk to meet the demands of an evolving business environment.[iv]" COSO states that internal controls are a PROCESS, effected by leadership, to provide reasonable assurance with respect to effectiveness, reliability, and compliance[v]. The framework consists of five interrelated principles[vi]: Governance and culture Strategy and objective-setting Performance Review and revision, and Information, communication, and reporting To support these principles, COSO defines internal controls as consisting of five interrelated components: Control environments, Risk Assessments, Control Activities, Information and Communication, and Monitoring Activities. The third framework is ITIL®, which stands for Information Technology Infrastructure Library. First published in 1989 (the latest update is 2019/2020), ITIL® is managed and maintained by AXELOS, a joint venture between the Government of the United Kingdom and PeopleCert, which acquired AXELOS in 2021. According to their website[vii], "ITIL 4 is an adaptable framework for managing services within the digital era. Through our best practice modules, ITIL 4 helps to optimize digital technologies to co-create value with consumers, drive business strategy, and embrace digital transformation." (Talk about buzzword compliance). ITIL® 4 focuses on process and service management through service strategy, service design, service transition, service operation, and continual service improvement. What is interesting is that there is no third-party assessment of ITIL® compliance in an organization, only individual certification. At the end of the day an organization needs to pick one of these popular control frameworks and show controls are being followed. This isn't just a best practice; it's also required by Sarbanes Oxley. SOX has two sections that require control attestations that impact cyber. Section 302 requires corporate management, executives, and financial officers to perform quarterly assessments which: Evaluate the effectiveness of disclosure controls, Evaluate changes in internal controls over financial reporting, Disclose all known control deficiencies and weaknesses, and Disclose acts of fraud. Since financial services run on IT applications, cybersecurity is generally in scope for showing weaknesses and deficiencies. SOX Section 404 requires an annual assessment by both management and independent auditors. This requires organizations to: Evaluate design and operating effectiveness of internal controls over financial reporting, Disclose all known controls and significant deficiencies, and disclose acts of fraud. Once we understand the requirements for controls, we need to be Compliant. Compliance is the second C we are discussing today. Remember the CFO and CEO need to produce annual and quarterly reports to regulators such as the SEC. So, if you as a CISO can help them obtain a clean bill of health or fix previous audit findings, you help the business. A useful tool to consult in terms of compliance is a concept from the Institute of Internal Auditors known as the three lines model or three lines of defense[viii]. This model has as a foundation six principles: Governance Governing body roles Management and first- and second-line roles Third line roles Third line independence, and Creating and protecting value The first line of defense is the business and process owners who maintain internal controls. You can think of a software developer who should write secure software because there is an IT Control that says so. That developer is expected to run application security scans and vulnerability scans to find bugs in their code. They are also expected to fix these issues before releasing to production. The second line of defense are elements of an organization that focus on risk management and compliance. Your cyber team is a perfect example of this. If the developer doesn't fix the application vulnerabilities before sending code to production, then the company is at risk. Cyber teams generally track and report vulnerability findings to the business units to ensure better compliance with IT controls. Finally, the third line of defense is internal audit. Internal audit might assess an IT control on secure software development and say we have an issue. The developers push out bad code with vulnerabilities. Cyber tells the developers to fix, yet we are observing trends that the total vulnerabilities are only increasing. This systemic risk is problematic, and we recommend management comply with the IT controls by making immediate fixes to this risky situation. Now, other than the observation that the ultimate line of defense (internal auditors) is defined by the Institute of Internal Auditors (no conflict of interest there), note that internal auditors can report directly to the board. Developers and CISOs typically cannot. One of the most powerful weapons in an auditor's toolbox is the "finding." The U.S. Code defines what represents a finding[ix] in the context of federal awards, to include: Significant deficiencies and material weaknesses in internal control and significant instances of abuse Material noncompliance with the provisions of Federal statutes or regulations Known questioned costs, specifically identified by the auditor, greater than $25,000 for a type of compliance requirement Internal auditors have both a mandate from and access to the board to ensure that the organization meets compliance requirements. So, if you've been unsuccessful in getting funding for what you consider a critical security asset, maybe, just maybe, you casually point that out to the auditors so that it ends up in a finding. After all, findings get funded. Don't get caught, though, or you'll have some explaining to do to your boss who previously turned you down. Management cares a lot about Continuity. Remember, if the business is down, then it's not making money, and it's probably losing money by the hour. If the business isn't making money, then they can't pay for the cyber department. So, among your goals as a cyber executive is to ensure the continuity of revenue-generation services. To start, you must identify what those activities are and find ways to protect the services by reducing the likelihood of vulnerabilities found in those systems. You also need to ensure regular backup activities are occurring, disaster recovery exercises are performed, Business Continuity Plans are tested, and tabletops are executed. Each of these activities has the potential to identify gaps which cause harm to the continuity that executives care about. How do you identify revenue-generating elements of the business? Ask. But do your homework first. If you're a publicly traded company, the annual report will often break out lines of business showing profit and loss for each. Even if it's losing money today, it still may be vital to the organization. Think, ahem, about your department -- you're probably not making a profit for the company in the security suite, but your services are definitely important. Look at the IT systems that support each line of business and assess their criticality to the success of that business component. In today's digitized workplace, the answer will almost always be "yes," but since you don't have unlimited resources, you need to rack and stack what has to be protected first. A Business Impact Analysis, or BIA, involves meeting with key executives throughout the organization, assessing the importance and value of IT-supported business processes, ranking them in the order in which they need to be assured, and then acting on that knowledge. [I thought we had done an episode on BIA, but I checked back and couldn't find one. So, expect to learn more about that in a future episode.] Backups and disaster recovery exercises are a must in today's world of ransomware and surprise risks, but make sure that you're not just hand-waving and assuming that what you think is working really is working. Do what I call "core sampling" -- get with your team and dig way down until you reach some individual file from a particular date or can observe all logs collected for some arbitrary 5-minute period. It's not that that information is critical in and of itself, but your team's ability to get to that information quickly and accurately should increase your confidence that they could do the same thing when a true outage occurs. Lastly, tabletop exercises are a great way to ensure that your team (as well as others from around the organization, up to and including senior leadership) know what to do when certain circumstances occur. The advantage of tabletops is that they don't require much time and effort from the participants to go through emergency response procedures. The disadvantage of tabletops is that you risk groupthink when everyone thinks someone else took care of that "assumed" item. Companies have been caught flat-footed when the emergency diesel generator doesn't kick in because no one in the tabletop tests ever thought to check it for fuel, and the tank was empty. Things change, and there's nothing like a full-scale test where people have to physically go to or do the things they would in a true emergency. That's a reason why kids in school don't discuss what to do in a fire drill, they actually do what needs to be done -- get out of the building. Be careful here you don't have a paper tiger for a continuity plan -- it's too late when things start to come apart to realize you hadn't truly done your homework. Those are the three Cs for executives -- controls, compliance, and continuity. Now let's move on to developers. If you remember, the three Cs for developers are coverage, complexity, and competency. Developers need to care about Coverage. When we talk about coverage, we want to ensure that we know everything that is in our environment. That includes having a complete and up-to-date asset inventory, knowing our processes are free from security oversight, as well as ensuring that our security controls are deployed across all of our potential attack surfaces. "We've got your covered" is usually considered reassuring -- it's a statement that someone has thought of what needs to be protected. Specifically, our technical team members are the only ones who can generally tell if the IT asset inventory is correct. They are the ones who run the tools, update the agents (assuming we're not agentless), and push the reporting. If the scanning tools we use are missing hardware or software, then those gaps represent potential landing zones for enemy forces. The Center for Internet Security's Critical Controls start with these two imperatives. Essentially, if you don't know what you have, how can you secure it? Knowing our processes is key. For developers today, it's much more likely that they're using a DevOps continuous integration / continuous delivery, or CI/CD process, rather than the classic waterfall methodology. Agile is often an important part of what we do, and that continuous feedback loop between developer and customer helps to ensure that we cover requirements correctly (while being careful to avoid scope creep.) Throughout our development cycle, there are numerous places where security belongs -- the art we call DevSecOps. By putting all of our security processes into version control -- essentially automating the work and moving away from paper-based processes, we create a toolchain that automates our security functionality from pre-commit to commit to acceptance to production to operations. Doing this right ensures that security in our development environment is covered. Beyond just the development pipeline, we need to cover our production environment. Now that we've identified all hardware and software and secured our development pipeline, we need to ensure that our security tools are deployed effectively throughout the enterprise to provide protective coverage. We may know how many servers we have, but if we don't scan continuously to ensure that the defenses are running and up to date, we are effectively outsourcing that work to bad actors, who fundamentally charge higher billing rates than developers when they take down critical systems via ransomware. In his book Data and Goliath, Bruce Schnier wrote, "Complexity is the worst enemy of security, and our systems are getting more complex all the time.[x]" Complexity is inversely correlated to security. If there are two hundred settings that you need to configure properly to make containers secure, that's a big deal. It becomes a bigger deal when the team only understands how to apply 150 of those settings. Essentially, your company is left with fifty opportunities for misconfiguration to be abused by bad actors. Therefore, when possible, focus your understanding on how to minimize complexity. For example, instead of running your own containers on premises with Kubernetes, try using Amazon Elastic Container Services. There's a significant amount of configuration complexity decrease. In addition, using cloud-based services give us a lot of capabilities -- elastic scaling, load balancers, multiple regions and availability zones, and even resistance to DDoS attacks. That's a lot of overhead to ensure in a high-availability application running on servers in your data center. Consider using AWS lambda where all of that is already handled as a service for our company. Remember that complexity makes security more difficult and generally increases the costs of maintenance. So only increase complexity when the business benefit exceeds the costs. From a business connectivity perspective, consider the complexity of relationships. Many years ago, data centers were self-contained with 3270 green screens (or punched card readers if you go back far enough) as input and fan-fold line printer generated paper as output. Essentially, the only connection that mattered was reliable electrical power. Today, we have to be aware of what's going on in our industry, our customers, our suppliers, consumers, service providers, and if we have them, joint ventures or partners.[xi] This complex web of competing demands stretches our existing strategies, and sometimes rends holes in our coverage. I would add to that awareness, complexity in our workforce. How did COVID-19 affect your coverage of endpoints, for example? Most work-from-home arrangements lost the benefit of the protection of the enterprise security bubble, with firewalls, scanners, and closely-manage endpoints. Just issuing a VPN credential to a developer working from home doesn't do much when junior sits down at mom's computer to play some online game and downloads who-knows-what. Consider standardizing your endpoints for manageability -- remove the complexity. When I was in the Navy, we had exactly two endpoint configurations from which to choose, even though the Navy-Marine Corps Intranet, or NMCI, was the largest intranet in the world at the time. Although frustrating when you have to explain to the admiral why his staff can't get fancier computers, the offsetting benefit is that when an emergency patch has to get pushed, you know it's going to "take" everywhere. Number six is Competency -- another crucial skill for developers. If your organization doesn't have competent developers, then more vulnerabilities are going to emerge. So how do most other industries show competencies? They use a licensure and certification process. For example, teenagers in the United States must obtain a driver's license before they are legally approved to drive on their own. Nearly all of us have been through the process -- get a manual when you get a learner's permit, go to a driving school to learn the basics, practice with your terrified parents, and after you reach the minimum age, try not to terrify the DMV employee in the passenger seat. In the UK, the Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency recommends a minimum of 47 hours of lessons before taking the driving test, which still has only a 52% pass rate on the first attempt[xii]. Now ask yourself, is developing and deploying apps riskier than driving a car? If so, consider creating a Developer Driver's License exam that identifies when developers are competent before your company gives them the SSH keys to your servers. Before your new developer sits for the exam you also need to provide the training that identifies the Rules of the Road. For example, ask: When a new application is purchased, what processes should be followed? When are third party vendor assessments needed? How does one document applications into asset inventory systems and Configuration Management Databases? If you can build the Driver's Education Training equivalent for developer and measure competency via an exam, you can reduce the risk that comes from bad development and create a sense of accomplishment among your team. So, to summarize so far, for executives we have controls, compliance, and continuity, and for developers we have coverage, complexity, and competency. It's now time to move to the last three for our security operations center: clarity, context, and community. The seventh C is Communication. Let's learn from a couple quotes on effective communication. Peter Drucker said, “The most important thing in communication is hearing what isn't said.” When you share an idea do you look at the person you are informing to see if they understand the idea? What body language are you seeing? Are they bored and not facing you, are they engaged and leaning in and paying close attention, or are they closed off with arms crossed? We've probably all heard the term "active listening." If you want to ensure the other party understands what you're saying (or if you're trying to show them you understand what they are saying), ask the listener to repeat back in their own words what the speaker has just said. You'd be amazed how few people are needed to play the game of "telegraph" and distort a message to the point it is no longer recognizable. George Bernard Shaw said, “The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place.” When you present a technical topic on a new risk to executives, ask questions to ensure they understand what you just shared. If you don't do so, how do you know when you might be overwhelming them with information that goes right over their heads. There's always the danger that someone will not want to look stupid and will just nod along like a bobblehead pretending to understand something about which they have absolutely no clue. Richard Feynman had said, "If you can't explain it to a six-year-old, you don't understand it yourself." Well, let me offer G Mark's corollary to that quote: "If you can't explain it to a six-year-old, you can't explain it to your board." And sometimes the big boss. And sometimes your manager. And sometimes your co-worker. Ask for feedback; make sure the message is understood. Earl Wilson said, “Science may never come up with a better office communication system than the coffee break.” When you want to launch a really important initiative that needs group buy-in, did you first have one-on-ones to solicit feedback? Did you have an ear at the water cooler to understand when people say yes but really mean no? Do you know how to connect with people so you can ask for a favor when you really don't have the resources necessary to make something happen? Unless you are in the military, you can't issue lawful orders to your subordinates and demand that they carry them out. You have to structure your communication in such a way that expectations are made clear, but also have to allow for some push-back, depending on the maturity of the relationship you've developed with your team. [War story: Just this past week, Apple upgraded to iOS 16. We use iPhones exclusively as corporate-issued handsets, so I sent a single sentence message to my senior IT team member: "Please prepare and send an email to all who have an iPhone with steps on how to update the OS soonest. Thank you." To me, that seemed like clear communication. The next day I get a response, "People are slowly updating to 16.0 on their own and as the phone prompts them." After a second request where I point out "slowly" has not been our strategy for responding to exploitable security vulnerabilities, I get a long explanation of how Apple upgrades work, how he's never been questioned in his long career -- essentially the person spent five times as much time explaining why he will NOT do the task rather than just doing it. And today 80% of the devices are still not updated. At times like this I'm reminded of Strother Martin in Cool Hand Luke: "What we have here is failure to communicate." So, my lesson for everyone is even though you think your communications are crystal clear, they may not be perceived as such.] Our last quote is from Walt Disney who said, “Of all our inventions for mass communication, pictures still speak the most universally understood language.” If you believe that pictures are more effective than words, think about how you can create the best pictures in your emails and slide decks to communicate effectively. I remember a British officer who had visited the Pentagon years ago who commented, "PowerPoint is the language of the US military." I think he's right, at least in that context. Ask yourself, are pictures part of your language? Convenience is our eighth C that we are going to talk about. How do we make something convenient? We do it by automating the routine and removing the time wasters. In terms of a SOC, we see technology in this space emerging with the use of Security Orchestration, Automation, and Response, or SOAR technologies. Convenience can come in a lot of ways. Have we created helpful playbooks that identify a process to follow? If so, we can save time during a crisis when we don't have a minute to spare. Have we created simple processes that work via forms versus emails? It's a lot easier to track how many forms have been submitted and filter on field data versus aggregating unstructured emails. One thing you might consider as a way to improve convenience are Chatbots. What if someone could ask a Chatbot a Frequently Asked Question and get a quick, automated, and accurate response? That convenience helps people, and it saves the SOC time. If you go that route, as new questions get asked, do you have a way to rank them by frequency and add them as new logic to the chatbot? If you do, your chatbot gets more useful and provides even greater convenience to the workforce. How great would it be to hear your colleagues saying it was so convenient to report an incident and see that it was handled in such a timely manner. Find ways to build that experience and you will become the partner the business wants. Last, but not least, is the 9th C of Consistency. Want to know how to create an audit finding? Try not being consistent. Auditors hate that and love to point out inconsistencies in systems. I'm sure there are auditors right now listening to this podcast smiling with joy saying, "yup, that's me." Want to know how to pass every audit standard? Try passing the CARE Standard for cyber security. CARE is a Gartner acronym that means Consistent, Adequate, Reasonable and Effective. Auditors look at the Consistency of controls by performing tests to determine if the control is working the same way over time across the organization. Auditors also look for Adequacy to determine if you have satisfactory controls in line with business needs. Auditors ensure that your practices are Reasonable by identifying if there exist appropriate, fair, and moderate controls. Finally, auditors look at Effectiveness to ensure the controls are producing the desired or intended outcomes. So, in a nutshell, show Auditors that you CARE about cyber security. Okay, let's review. Our nine Cs are for executives, developers, and SOC teams. Executives should master controls, compliance, and continuity; developers should master coverage, complexity, and competency; and SOC teams should focus on clarity, communications, and consistency. If you paid careful attention, I think you would find lessons for security leaders in all nine boxes across the model. Essentially, don't conclude because boxes four through nine are not for executives that you don't need to master them -- all of this is important to being successful in your security leadership career. Well thanks again for listening to the CISO Tradecraft podcast as we discussed the 9 C's. And for International Talk Like a Pirate Day, I do have a rrr-request: if you like our show, please take a few seconds to rate us five stars on your favorite podcast provider. Another CISO pointed out to me this past week that we came up first on Spotify when searching for C-I-S-O, and that's because those rankings are crowd-sourced. It's a great way to say thank you for the time and effort we put into our show, and I thank you in advance. This is your host G. Marrrrk Hardy, and please remember to stay safe out there as you continually practice your CISO Trrrradecraft. 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Ahoy! and welcome to another episode of CISO Tradecraft -- the podcast that provides you with the information, knowledge, and wisdom to be a more effective cyber security leader.  My name is G. Mark Hardy, and today we're going to -- talk like a pirate.  ARRR As always, please follow us on LinkedIn, and make sure you subscribe so you can always get the latest updates. On today's episode we are going to talk about the 9 Cs of Cyber Security.  Note these are not the 9 Seas that you might find today, the 19th of September, which happens to be the 20th annual International Talk like a Pirate Day.  They are the nine words that begin with the letter C (but not the letter ARRR): Controls, Compliance, Continuity, Coverage, Complexity, Competency, Communication, Convenience, Consistency. Please note that this talk is inspired by an article by Mark Wojtasiak from Vectra, but we have modified the content to be more aligned with our thoughts at CISO Tradecraft. Now before we go into the 9 Cs, it's important to understand that the 9 Cs represent three equal groups of three.  Be sure to look at the show notes which will link to our CISO Tradecraft website that shows a 9-box picture which should make this easier to understand.  But if you're listening, imagine a three-by-three grid where each row corresponds to a different stakeholder.  Each stakeholder is going to be concerned with different things, and by identifying three important priorities for each, we have our grid.  Make sense?  Okay, let's dig in. The first row in our grid is the focus of Executive Leaders. First, this group of executives such as the CEO, CIO, and CISO ensure that the IT controls and objectives are working as desired.  Next, these executives want attestations and audits to ensure that compliance is being achieved and the organization is not just paying lip service to those requirements.  Thirdly, they also want business continuity.  IT systems must be constantly available despite attacks from ransomware, hardware failures, and power outages. The second row in our grid is the focus of Software Development shops. This group consists of Architects, Developers, Engineers, and Administrators.  First, they need to ensure they understand the Coverage of their IT systems in asset inventories -- can we account for all hardware and software.  Next, developers should be concerned with how Complexity in their environment can reduce security, as these tend to work at cross-purposes.  Lastly, developers care about Competency of their teams to build software correctly; that competency is a key predictor of the end quality of what is ultimately produced. The third and final row in our grid is the focus of Security Operations Centers. This group consists of Incident Handlers and Responders, Threat Intelligence Teams, and Business Information System Officers commonly known as BISOs.  They need to provide clear communication that informs others what they need to do, they need processes and tools that enable convenience so as to reduce friction.  Finally, they need to be consistent.  No one wants a fire department that only shows up 25% of the time. So now that we have a high-level overview of the 9 C's let's start going into detail on each one of them.  We'll start with the focus of executive leaders.  Again, that is controls, compliance, and continuity. Controls- According to James Hall's book on Accounting Information Systems[i], General Computer Controls are "specific activities performed by persons or systems designed to ensure that business objectives are met." Three common control frameworks that we see inside of organizations today are COBIT, COSO, and ITIL. COBIT®, which stands for The Control Objectives for Information Technology was built by the IT Governance Institute and the Information Systems Audit and Controls Organization, better known as ISACA®.  COBIT® is primarily focused on IT compliance, audit issues, and IT service, which should not be a surprise given its roots from ISACA® which is an Audit and Controls organization.  Overall, COBIT® 2019, the latest version, is based on the following six principles[ii] (note that the prior version, COBIT® 5[iii], had five): Provide stakeholder value Holistic approach Dynamic governance system Governance distinct from management Tailored to enterprise needs End-to-end governance system COSO  stands for The Committee of Sponsoring Organizations of the Treadway Commission.  Their latest version is the 2017 Enterprise Risk Management - Integrated Framework, which is designed to address "enterprise risk management and the need for organizations to improve their approach to managing risk to meet the demands of an evolving business environment.[iv]"  COSO states that internal controls are a PROCESS, effected by leadership, to provide reasonable assurance with respect to effectiveness, reliability, and compliance[v].  The framework consists of five interrelated principles[vi]: Governance and culture Strategy and objective-setting Performance Review and revision, and Information, communication, and reporting To support these principles, COSO defines internal controls as consisting of five interrelated components: Control environments, Risk Assessments, Control Activities, Information and Communication, and Monitoring Activities. The third framework is ITIL®, which stands for Information Technology Infrastructure Library. First published in 1989 (the latest update is 2019/2020), ITIL® is managed and maintained by AXELOS, a joint venture between the Government of the United Kingdom and PeopleCert, which acquired AXELOS in 2021. According to their website[vii], "ITIL 4 is an adaptable framework for managing services within the digital era.  Through our best practice modules, ITIL 4 helps to optimize digital technologies to co-create value with consumers, drive business strategy, and embrace digital transformation." (Talk about buzzword compliance).  ITIL® 4 focuses on process and service management through service strategy, service design, service transition, service operation, and continual service improvement.  What is interesting is that there is no third-party assessment of ITIL® compliance in an organization, only individual certification. At the end of the day an organization needs to pick one of these popular control frameworks and show controls are being followed.  This isn't just a best practice; it's also required by Sarbanes Oxley.  SOX has two sections that require control attestations that impact cyber.  Section 302 requires corporate management, executives, and financial officers to perform quarterly assessments which: Evaluate the effectiveness of disclosure controls, Evaluate changes in internal controls over financial reporting, Disclose all known control deficiencies and weaknesses, and Disclose acts of fraud. Since financial services run on IT applications, cybersecurity is generally in scope for showing weaknesses and deficiencies.  SOX Section 404 requires an annual assessment by both management and independent auditors.  This requires organizations to: Evaluate design and operating effectiveness of internal controls over financial reporting, Disclose all known controls and significant deficiencies, and disclose acts of fraud. Once we understand the requirements for controls, we need to be Compliant. Compliance is the second C we are discussing today.  Remember the CFO and CEO need to produce annual and quarterly reports to regulators such as the SEC.  So, if you as a CISO can help them obtain a clean bill of health or fix previous audit findings, you help the business. A useful tool to consult in terms of compliance is a concept from the Institute of Internal Auditors known as the three lines model or three lines of defense[viii].  This model has as a foundation six principles: Governance Governing body roles Management and first- and second-line roles Third line roles Third line independence, and Creating and protecting value The first line of defense is the business and process owners who maintain internal controls.  You can think of a software developer who should write secure software because there is an IT Control that says so.  That developer is expected to run application security scans and vulnerability scans to find bugs in their code.  They are also expected to fix these issues before releasing to production.  The second line of defense are elements of an organization that focus on risk management and compliance.  Your cyber team is a perfect example of this.  If the developer doesn't fix the application vulnerabilities before sending code to production, then the company is at risk.  Cyber teams generally track and report vulnerability findings to the business units to ensure better compliance with IT controls. Finally, the third line of defense is internal audit.  Internal audit might assess an IT control on secure software development and say we have an issue.  The developers push out bad code with vulnerabilities.  Cyber tells the developers to fix, yet we are observing trends that the total vulnerabilities are only increasing.  This systemic risk is problematic, and we recommend management comply with the IT controls by making immediate fixes to this risky situation. Now, other than the observation that the ultimate line of defense (internal auditors) is defined by the Institute of Internal Auditors (no conflict of interest there), note that internal auditors can report directly to the board.  Developers and CISOs typically cannot.  One of the most powerful weapons in an auditor's toolbox is the "finding."  The U.S. Code defines what represents a finding[ix] in the context of federal awards, to include: Significant deficiencies and material weaknesses in internal control and significant instances of abuse Material noncompliance with the provisions of Federal statutes or regulations Known questioned costs, specifically identified by the auditor, greater than $25,000 for a type of compliance requirement Internal auditors have both a mandate from and access to the board to ensure that the organization meets compliance requirements.  So, if you've been unsuccessful in getting funding for what you consider a critical security asset, maybe, just maybe, you casually point that out to the auditors so that it ends up in a finding.  After all, findings get funded.  Don't get caught, though, or you'll have some explaining to do to your boss who previously turned you down. Management cares a lot about Continuity. Remember, if the business is down, then it's not making money, and it's probably losing money by the hour.  If the business isn't making money, then they can't pay for the cyber department.  So, among your goals as a cyber executive is to ensure the continuity of revenue-generation services.  To start, you must identify what those activities are and find ways to protect the services by reducing the likelihood of vulnerabilities found in those systems.  You also need to ensure regular backup activities are occurring, disaster recovery exercises are performed, Business Continuity Plans are tested, and tabletops are executed.  Each of these activities has the potential to identify gaps which cause harm to the continuity that executives care about. How do you identify revenue-generating elements of the business?  Ask.  But do your homework first.  If you're a publicly traded company, the annual report will often break out lines of business showing profit and loss for each.  Even if it's losing money today, it still may be vital to the organization.  Think, ahem, about your department -- you're probably not making a profit for the company in the security suite, but your services are definitely important.  Look at the IT systems that support each line of business and assess their criticality to the success of that business component.  In today's digitized workplace, the answer will almost always be "yes," but since you don't have unlimited resources, you need to rack and stack what has to be protected first.  A Business Impact Analysis, or BIA, involves meeting with key executives throughout the organization, assessing the importance and value of IT-supported business processes, ranking them in the order in which they need to be assured, and then acting on that knowledge.  [I thought we had done an episode on BIA, but I checked back and couldn't find one.  So, expect to learn more about that in a future episode.] Backups and disaster recovery exercises are a must in today's world of ransomware and surprise risks, but make sure that you're not just hand-waving and assuming that what you think is working really is working.  Do what I call "core sampling" -- get with your team and dig way down until you reach some individual file from a particular date or can observe all logs collected for some arbitrary 5-minute period.  It's not that that information is critical in and of itself, but your team's ability to get to that information quickly and accurately should increase your confidence that they could do the same thing when a true outage occurs. Lastly, tabletop exercises are a great way to ensure that your team (as well as others from around the organization, up to and including senior leadership) know what to do when certain circumstances occur.  The advantage of tabletops is that they don't require much time and effort from the participants to go through emergency response procedures.  The disadvantage of tabletops is that you risk groupthink when everyone thinks someone else took care of that "assumed" item.  Companies have been caught flat-footed when the emergency diesel generator doesn't kick in because no one in the tabletop tests ever thought to check it for fuel, and the tank was empty.  Things change, and there's nothing like a full-scale test where people have to physically go to or do the things they would in a true emergency.  That's a reason why kids in school don't discuss what to do in a fire drill, they actually do what needs to be done -- get out of the building.  Be careful here you don't have a paper tiger for a continuity plan -- it's too late when things start to come apart to realize you hadn't truly done your homework. Those are the three Cs for executives -- controls, compliance, and continuity.  Now let's move on to developers. If you remember, the three Cs for developers are coverage, complexity, and competency. Developers need to care about Coverage. When we talk about coverage, we want to ensure that we know everything that is in our environment.  That includes having a complete and up-to-date asset inventory, knowing our processes are free from security oversight, as well as ensuring that our security controls are deployed across all of our potential attack surfaces.  "We've got your covered" is usually considered reassuring -- it's a statement that someone has thought of what needs to be protected. Specifically, our technical team members are the only ones who can generally tell if the IT asset inventory is correct.  They are the ones who run the tools, update the agents (assuming we're not agentless), and push the reporting.  If the scanning tools we use are missing hardware or software, then those gaps represent potential landing zones for enemy forces.  The Center for Internet Security's Critical Controls start with these two imperatives.  Essentially, if you don't know what you have, how can you secure it? Knowing our processes is key.  For developers today, it's much more likely that they're using a DevOps continuous integration / continuous delivery, or CI/CD process, rather than the classic waterfall methodology.  Agile is often an important part of what we do, and that continuous feedback loop between developer and customer helps to ensure that we cover requirements correctly (while being careful to avoid scope creep.)  Throughout our development cycle, there are numerous places where security belongs -- the art we call DevSecOps.  By putting all of our security processes into version control -- essentially automating the work and moving away from paper-based processes, we create a toolchain that automates our security functionality from pre-commit to commit to acceptance to production to operations.  Doing this right ensures that security in our development environment is covered. Beyond just the development pipeline, we need to cover our production environment.  Now that we've identified all hardware and software and secured our development pipeline, we need to ensure that our security tools are deployed effectively throughout the enterprise to provide protective coverage.  We may know how many servers we have, but if we don't scan continuously to ensure that the defenses are running and up to date, we are effectively outsourcing that work to bad actors, who fundamentally charge higher billing rates than developers when they take down critical systems via ransomware. In his book Data and Goliath, Bruce Schnier wrote, "Complexity is the worst enemy of security, and our systems are getting more complex all the time.[x]" Complexity is inversely correlated to security. If there are two hundred settings that you need to configure properly to make containers secure, that's a big deal.  It becomes a bigger deal when the team only understands how to apply 150 of those settings.  Essentially, your company is left with fifty opportunities for misconfiguration to be abused by bad actors.  Therefore, when possible, focus your understanding on how to minimize complexity.  For example, instead of running your own containers on premises with Kubernetes, try using Amazon Elastic Container Services.  There's a significant amount of configuration complexity decrease.  In addition, using cloud-based services give us a lot of capabilities -- elastic scaling, load balancers, multiple regions and availability zones, and even resistance to DDoS attacks.  That's a lot of overhead to ensure in a high-availability application running on servers in your data center.  Consider using AWS lambda where all of that is already handled as a service for our company.  Remember that complexity makes security more difficult and generally increases the costs of maintenance.  So only increase complexity when the business benefit exceeds the costs. From a business connectivity perspective, consider the complexity of relationships.  Many years ago, data centers were self-contained with 3270 green screens (or punched card readers if you go back far enough) as input and fan-fold line printer generated paper as output.  Essentially, the only connection that mattered was reliable electrical power. Today, we have to be aware of what's going on in our industry, our customers, our suppliers, consumers, service providers, and if we have them, joint ventures or partners.[xi]  This complex web of competing demands stretches our existing strategies, and sometimes rends holes in our coverage.  I would add to that awareness, complexity in our workforce.  How did COVID-19 affect your coverage of endpoints, for example?  Most work-from-home arrangements lost the benefit of the protection of the enterprise security bubble, with firewalls, scanners, and closely-manage endpoints.  Just issuing a VPN credential to a developer working from home doesn't do much when junior sits down at mom's computer to play some online game and downloads who-knows-what.  Consider standardizing your endpoints for manageability -- remove the complexity.  When I was in the Navy, we had exactly two endpoint configurations from which to choose, even though the Navy-Marine Corps Intranet, or NMCI, was the largest intranet in the world at the time.  Although frustrating when you have to explain to the admiral why his staff can't get fancier computers, the offsetting benefit is that when an emergency patch has to get pushed, you know it's going to "take" everywhere. Number six is Competency -- another crucial skill for developers. If your organization doesn't have competent developers, then more vulnerabilities are going to emerge.  So how do most other industries show competencies?  They use a licensure and certification process.  For example, teenagers in the United States must obtain a driver's license before they are legally approved to drive on their own.  Nearly all of us have been through the process -- get a manual when you get a learner's permit, go to a driving school to learn the basics, practice with your terrified parents, and after you reach the minimum age, try not to terrify the DMV employee in the passenger seat.  In the UK, the Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency recommends a minimum of 47 hours of lessons before taking the driving test, which still has only a 52% pass rate on the first attempt[xii]. Now ask yourself, is developing and deploying apps riskier than driving a car?  If so, consider creating a Developer Driver's License exam that identifies when developers are competent before your company gives them the SSH keys to your servers.  Before your new developer sits for the exam you also need to provide the training that identifies the Rules of the Road.  For example, ask: When a new application is purchased, what processes should be followed? When are third party vendor assessments needed?  How does one document applications into asset inventory systems and Configuration Management Databases? If you can build the Driver's Education Training equivalent for developer and measure competency via an exam, you can reduce the risk that comes from bad development and create a sense of accomplishment among your team. So, to summarize so far, for executives we have controls, compliance, and continuity, and for developers we have coverage, complexity, and competency.  It's now time to move to the last three for our security operations center:  clarity, context, and community. The seventh C is Communication. Let's learn from a couple quotes on effective communication. Peter Drucker said, “The most important thing in communication is hearing what isn't said.”  When you share an idea do you look at the person you are informing to see if they understand the idea?  What body language are you seeing?  Are they bored and not facing you, are they engaged and leaning in and paying close attention, or are they closed off with arms crossed?  We've probably all heard the term "active listening."  If you want to ensure the other party understands what you're saying (or if you're trying to show them you understand what they are saying), ask the listener to repeat back in their own words what the speaker has just said.  You'd be amazed how few people are needed to play the game of "telegraph" and distort a message to the point it is no longer recognizable. George Bernard Shaw said, “The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place.”  When you present a technical topic on a new risk to executives, ask questions to ensure they understand what you just shared.  If you don't do so, how do you know when you might be overwhelming them with information that goes right over their heads.  There's always the danger that someone will not want to look stupid and will just nod along like a bobblehead pretending to understand something about which they have absolutely no clue.  Richard Feynman had said, "If you can't explain it to a six-year-old, you don't understand it yourself."  Well, let me offer G Mark's corollary to that quote:  "If you can't explain it to a six-year-old, you can't explain it to your board."  And sometimes the big boss.  And sometimes your manager.  And sometimes your co-worker.  Ask for feedback; make sure the message is understood. Earl Wilson said, “Science may never come up with a better office communication system than the coffee break.”  When you want to launch a really important initiative that needs group buy-in, did you first have one-on-ones to solicit feedback?  Did you have an ear at the water cooler to understand when people say yes but really mean no?  Do you know how to connect with people so you can ask for a favor when you really don't have the resources necessary to make something happen?  Unless you are in the military, you can't issue lawful orders to your subordinates and demand that they carry them out.  You have to structure your communication in such a way that expectations are made clear, but also have to allow for some push-back, depending on the maturity of the relationship you've developed with your team.  [War story:  Just this past week, Apple upgraded to iOS 16.  We use iPhones exclusively as corporate-issued handsets, so I sent a single sentence message to my senior IT team member:  "Please prepare and send an email to all who have an iPhone with steps on how to update the OS soonest.  Thank you."  To me, that seemed like clear communication.  The next day I get a response, "People are slowly updating to 16.0 on their own and as the phone prompts them."  After a second request where I point out "slowly" has not been our strategy for responding to exploitable security vulnerabilities, I get a long explanation of how Apple upgrades work, how he's never been questioned in his long career -- essentially the person spent five times as much time explaining why he will NOT do the task rather than just doing it.  And today 80% of the devices are still not updated.  At times like this I'm reminded of Strother Martin in Cool Hand Luke:  "What we have here is failure to communicate."  So, my lesson for everyone is even though you think your communications are crystal clear, they may not be perceived as such.] Our last quote is from Walt Disney who said, “Of all our inventions for mass communication, pictures still speak the most universally understood language.”  If you believe that pictures are more effective than words, think about how you can create the best pictures in your emails and slide decks to communicate effectively.  I remember a British officer who had visited the Pentagon years ago who commented, "PowerPoint is the language of the US military."  I think he's right, at least in that context.  Ask yourself, are pictures part of your language? Convenience is our eighth C that we are going to talk about. How do we make something convenient?  We do it by automating the routine and removing the time wasters.  In terms of a SOC, we see technology in this space emerging with the use of Security Orchestration, Automation, and Response, or SOAR technologies.  Convenience can come in a lot of ways.  Have we created helpful playbooks that identify a process to follow?  If so, we can save time during a crisis when we don't have a minute to spare.  Have we created simple processes that work via forms versus emails?  It's a lot easier to track how many forms have been submitted and filter on field data versus aggregating unstructured emails.  One thing you might consider as a way to improve convenience are Chatbots.  What if someone could ask a Chatbot a Frequently Asked Question and get a quick, automated, and accurate response?  That convenience helps people, and it saves the SOC time.  If you go that route, as new questions get asked, do you have a way to rank them by frequency and add them as new logic to the chatbot?  If you do, your chatbot gets more useful and provides even greater convenience to the workforce.  How great would it be to hear your colleagues saying it was so convenient to report an incident and see that it was handled in such a timely manner.  Find ways to build that experience and you will become the partner the business wants. Last, but not least, is the 9th C of Consistency. Want to know how to create an audit finding?  Try not being consistent.  Auditors hate that and love to point out inconsistencies in systems.  I'm sure there are auditors right now listening to this podcast smiling with joy saying, "yup, that's me."  Want to know how to pass every audit standard?  Try passing the CARE Standard for cyber security.  CARE is a Gartner acronym that means Consistent, Adequate, Reasonable and Effective.  Auditors look at the Consistency of controls by performing tests to determine if the control is working the same way over time across the organization.  Auditors also look for Adequacy to determine if you have satisfactory controls in line with business needs.  Auditors ensure that your practices are Reasonable by identifying if there exist appropriate, fair, and moderate controls.  Finally, auditors look at Effectiveness to ensure the controls are producing the desired or intended outcomes.  So, in a nutshell, show Auditors that you CARE about cyber security. Okay, let's review.  Our nine Cs are for executives, developers, and SOC teams.  Executives should master controls, compliance, and continuity; developers should master coverage, complexity, and competency; and SOC teams should focus on clarity, communications, and consistency.  If you paid careful attention, I think you would find lessons for security leaders in all nine boxes across the model.  Essentially, don't conclude because boxes four through nine are not for executives that you don't need to master them -- all of this is important to being successful in your security leadership career. Well thanks again for listening to the CISO Tradecraft podcast as we discussed the 9 C's.  And for International Talk Like a Pirate Day, I do have a rrr-request:  if you like our show, please take a few seconds to rate us five stars on your favorite podcast provider.  Another CISO pointed out to me this past week that we came up first on Spotify when searching for C-I-S-O, and that's because those rankings are crowd-sourced.  It's a great way to say thank you for the time and effort we put into our show, and I thank you in advance.  This is your host G. Marrrrk Hardy, and please remember to stay safe out there as you continually practice your CISO Trrrradecraft. 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Choosing a Cybersecurity FrameworkThree common pitfalls of cybersecurity or risk frameworks:Finding the “perfect” framework. No single framework fits an organization's risk profile perfectly. Frameworks like ISO 27001, ISO 3100, NIST CSF, NIST RMF, COBIT, and many others. Using custom frameworks that do not map to regulators or industry standards.Failing to assign a single project leader with appropriate deadlines and resources. ========Blog: https://www.execcybered.com/blogTraining: https://www.execcybered.com/iso27001foundationcourseLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exceccybered/Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrBillSouzaInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/drbillsouza/Thanks.Dr. Bill SouzaCEO | Founder

Choosing a Cybersecurity FrameworkThree common pitfalls of cybersecurity or risk frameworks:Finding the “perfect” framework. No single framework fits an organization's risk profile perfectly. Frameworks like ISO 27001, ISO 3100, NIST CSF, NIST RMF, COBIT, and many others. Using custom frameworks that do not map to regulators or industry standards.Failing to assign a single project leader with appropriate deadlines and resources. ========Blog: https://www.execcybered.com/blogTraining: https://www.execcybered.com/iso27001foundationcourseLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exceccybered/Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrBillSouzaInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/drbillsouza/Thanks.Dr. Bill SouzaCEO | Founder

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Com o propósito de gerar valor através da educação e um plano para se tornar a principal tecnologia educacional do Brasil, a Wiser Educação vem crescendo desde 2017 e espera fechar o ano de 2022 com faturamento de 500 milhões de reais.Neste episódio tivemos a presença do Marlon Oliveira, CTO da Wiser, com mais de 25 anos na área de tecnologia. Batemos um papo raiz sobre as metodologias ágeis no desenvolvimento de uma empresa, COBIT, TI e mais!O Papo Raiz é o podcast oficial da Gazeta do Povo sobre empreendedorismo. Toda semana um novo empreendedor raiz compartilha suas experiências, erros, acertos, e claro, sempre damos boas risadas!Siga nas redes sociais e fique ligado nos próximos episódios!Instagram: @paporaizpodcast;Hosts: Guilherme Barbosa (@guilherme_3mind), Yuri Melo (@yuricmelo), Junior Conceição (@juninhoaloha);Convidado: Marlon Oliveira (@oliveiramarlon72);Captação e Edição: Produtora Patching Plants (@patchingplants).

Parce que… c'est l'épisode 0x163! Préambule Shameless plug COVID-19 7 au 9 juin 2022 - FIC 2022 16 et 17 juin 2022 - Colloque Souveraineté Numérique 11 au 15 août 2022 - DEFCON 30 6 et 7 octobre 2022 - Objective by the Sea v5.0The Objective-See Foundation 15 au 17 novembre 2022 European Cyber Week novembre 2022 Connected Week Angers Formation Crise et résilience 13 au 17 juin 2022 - Bootcamp Crise Cyber Juin 2022 Ateliers et conférences (Auto évaluation) Formation PCA 2022 4 Guides pour survivre à une CyberCrise Formation PCA en ligne Notes Integrating MITRE With COBIT: Goals Cascading From the Strategic to Tactical Levels COBIT 2019 Framework: Governance and Management Objectives COBIT 2019 Design Guide Toolkit COBIT 2019 Framework: Introduction & Methodology FAIR MITRE ATTACK Cyberdefense Matrix Collaborateurs Nicolas-Loïc Fortin Vincent Milette Crédits Montage audio par Intrasecure inc Locaux virtuels par Zoom

In this episode, Muktesh Murthy, a practice head in the information security space, shares his story and touches uponDoing his schooling in many places, as his father was in the Army His interest in accounts, commerce and economics and hospitality managementStarting his career in hotel management and then getting into a computer course, as he wanted to get into roles where he can directly influence the resultsDoing some development work, then managing an account and later on becoming an information security professionalHis motivation to acquire various certifications and desire to learn from everyoneHow he expanded his knowledge around standards, as new specializations were introduced in the areas of information security, business continuity etcHis style of working where he prefers to sit with teams and help them create relevant documents, so that they are confident of doing it themselves in the futureHow he balances the need to be objectively critical and at the same time, nurture positive relationships with peopleThe importance of getting and sharing the big picture with the entire teamHow the SHE policy has been incorporated into every meetingOutthinking the attackersCareer tips to become an infosec professionalAn MBA, PMP and ITIL certified professional with over 29 years of overall experience of which over 26 years has been in the Information Technology field and 3 years in the Hospitality Industry. Presently working as Practice Head in Tech Mahindra, Bangalore.The 26+ years in IT has seen rich and diverse experience in Information Security, Risk and Compliance, Process Consulting, Delivery Management, Program and Project Management, Operations Management, Vendor Management, Account Management and Quality management to name a few. Have extensive experience in domains like Insurance, Logistics, Manufacturing, Health Care, Education etc.Presently the past president at the Project Management Institute (PMI) Bangalore Chapter from Jan 2022 to Dec 2021. Served as the President of PMI Bangalore from April 2020 to Dec 2021 and on the board since 2015.His certifications include* Project Management: PMP, Prince2Agile Practitioner, SAFe Agilist* Service Management: ITIL Intermediate, ITIL Foundation, ISO 20000-1* Compliance: PCI-DSS, COBIT, ISO 27001, ISO 22301, ISO 27701, ISO 9001* MBA: IT and Marketing

In addition to serving as a CISO for several large companies, Phil was instrumental in co-founding the Cloud Security Alliance (CSA) and creating the Cloud Controls Matrix (CCM) to identify what standards from the many frameworks such as NIST, ISO27000, COBIT, HIPAA, PCIDSS, etc. would be applicable to the cloud environment. Join Phil as he discusses his view of these frameworks and his approach to security today.   To view the article from the CISO COMPASS Book that sparked this interview, please visit: https://securityweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/CISOSTORIES_Phil_Agcaoili_Article.pdf   Agcaoili, P. 2019. Leveraging Control Frameworks. In CISO COMPASS: Navigating Cybersecurity Leadership Challenges with Insights from Pioneers, 1st Ed, pg 223-227. Fitzgerald, T. CRC Press, Boca Raton, Fl. www.amazon.com/author/toddfitzgerald   Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/csp65 This segment is sponsored by Cybereason. Visit https://www.cybereason.com/cisostories to learn more about them!   Visit https://securityweekly.com/csp for all the latest episodes! Follow us on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/cyberleaders Follow us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/cybersecuritycollaborative/

In this week's episode of Red Pill Revolution, we discuss recently declassified DIA documents that show data on human contact with aliens, and the potential side effects which include things such as "Unaccounted for Pregnancy"; The documents also outline human experiences with Yeti's, Elve's, Ghosts, Poltergeists and other mythical creatures. We also discuss Brian Stelter getting verbally ripped apart by a college freshman over CNN's involvement in spreading propaganda, Nancy Pelosi getting the notorious infection the day after receiving a warning from china about her next day's trip to Taiwan & More!   On this week's Patreon-only bonus content, we discuss the contents of the claim that "the supply chain disruptions blamed on COVID were actually due to massive amounts of weapons being moved as well as countries scrambling to change who they rely on for imports and exports in preparation for World War 3" as written by a Redditor who cites several very compelling sources. The Patreon begins at only $5 and includes weekly bonus topics, full video episodes and more! Sign up now at: https://Patreon.com/redpillrevolt----more---- For all the articles, videos, and documents discussed on this week's podcast join our substack!  Podcast Companion Substack: https://redpillrevolution.substack.com ----more---- Please consider leaving a donation for all of the hard work that goes into this ad-free podcast. I love doing what I do and can only continue through your generosity and support!  Donate https://givesendgo.com/redpillrevolution  ----more----   Full Transcription:   Welcome to red Pill revolution my name is Austin Adams Red Pill revolution started out with me realizing every thing that I knew everything that I believe everything I interpret about my life is through the lens of the information I was spoonfed as a child religion politics and history conspiracy Hollywood medicine money food all of everything we know was tactfully written to influence your decisions and your view on reality by those in power now I'm on a mission a mission to retrain and reeducate myself to find the true reality of what is behind that number and I'm taken your ass welcome to the revolution hello and welcome to read Pill revolution my name is Austin Adams and thank you so much for listening today this is episode number 24 of reptile revolution podcast and again thank you so much for listening I can tell you how much I appreciate it we have some really interesting stuff to go over today anything from Nancy Pelosi coming down with the vid in a timely manner right is she supposed to travel to Taiwan so we'll talk about that and potentially why in the conspiracy surrounding that situation were also going to touch on Brian Stelter basically getting ripped apart by a college freshman over the disinformation campaign by CNN and the propaganda that's been pushed over the the previous few years and then were also going to touch on all yeah this tiny thing where the DIA came out with 1500 documents from a freedom of information act regarding alien abductions onion planned or explainable pregnancies on women by these potential aliens Burns high-frequency basically attacks on humans and flying objects basically just released in last week and literally nobody is talking about this so all of that and more today really really excited to talk about these things oh and also working to get into a little about Project blue beam never heard a project will be before it is a conspiracy's arrest that goes all the way back pretty far basically to the understanding that they are using all of these alien campaigns to eventually implement some type of New World order and bring all of the world's religious messiahs together in a holographic beam onto the sky and all of this crazy other stuff so make sure you stick around for that that will be at the end and again thank you guys so much for listening if you noticed hopefully you noticed the sounds way better than it used to I went from having a $100 microphone basically USB plug in the my computer to a whole huge awesome set up here because I wanted to you know give everything I can see you guys so thank you so much for listening I hope that you enjoy the improvements I really do because I spent quite a bit of money on it so I hope it sounds better I hope it looks better and I appreciate you guys so much so thank you for listening if you could go ahead and press the subscribe button leave a five star review of your Apple podcast YouTube spot if I were ever the hell you rat there's probably a button to rate the show and again I would appreciate it so much beyond that go ahead and join the patron patriot.com/rental revolt during our sub step for subs that companion I which is rental revolution.sub stack.com and for now that's all I got for you guys so again thank you so much for listening over to jump into now is going to be Nancy Pelosi coming down with the bid as as she's in a timely manner surrounding the Taiwan visit so here we go it's go to Marsha's video and we'll talk about it Nancy Pelosi has tested positive for calls it her Deputy Chief of Staff out with a statement saying after testing negative this week Speaker Pelosi received a positive test result for COBIT 19 and is currently asymptomatic the speaker is fully vaccinated and boosted and is thankful for the robust protection the vaccine has provided the speaker will quarantine consistent with CDC guidance and encourages everyone to get vaccinated boosted and test regularly it's going around Washington Valerie Valerie Biden I don't know Valerie is actually in Washington but it's a going around Washington circles hi Kim hi all I do know that it was still around me I thought that COBIT had come and gone anyway and that we were waiting for it to come back me and I thought we were focused on Ukraine now in the we didn't really care about covert anymore and I was slightly three weeks ago I'd I lose track of time but it it it is it is hitting a number of members of Congress and staff others is specifically hitting some yeah political people I have a startling way with Alma Krohn in December it's amazing that anyone can state it could have not got like my everyone got every single person got it I guess some some people who will doubt that on that one Muriel Bowser got it some people who missed out on that way I guess there now doing well here is yeah because now there's an even more transmissible strain that's out there it's the kaizen and yeah yeah because another cousin the s'mores transmission around really deadline environment just because it actually started waving your excitement I think that because I wasn't really following is much anymore but I know that it had gone through Europe and even as it was waiting for Europe and all of these countries were having massive surgeons like Denmark has adequate having another sorry nobody cares let's see if it talk about anything that omicron was the sick on what I'm looking for here is to see it and they talk about the Taiwan situation something they are here anyway because that is missing that the most ridiculous thing I should not do it at all but but DC correspondents Association dinner coming up in like 3/30 over three there aren't any generally well be three weeks quickly as this thing moves yeah could it could be mostly gone be kind of funny if they had to cancel it because I watch them still try to do it anyway because they visited missing that the most ridiculous thing I should not do it at all but but DC law the political class loves the there's a real elaborate days in so there there is today when they would try to strong-arm like force that likely boosted with the yeah the I'm looking for here is conversation surrounding Taiwan taken in whatever now I know I don't think it's 43% I think it was like I think that even during even at our doesn't look like were to talk about it when I was looking for there was to see if they to cover conversation surrounding why the idea is that she had COBIT so you know what been supposed he was supposed to go to Taiwan this week basically I don't know exactly why but she's was what I want and is to issue basically the Chinese government came out and if you don't know anything about the Chinese Taiwan situation China does not want to recognize Taiwan as its own country because eventually they want to do it Ukraine did I'm sorry what Russia did the Ukraine and just completely taken over and have the history books that tell it as if Taiwan was always a part of our country and so there's this whole thing there where they want to kind of eliminate any conversation surrounding Taiwan's legitimacy and we saw it earlier I think it was last year where there was a woman on the basically grilling a US official about this and she literally pretended as if her microphone on the first year he but pretended as if her microphone literally didn't work like a the run is in call imagine if you're a business income and some just like you do you estimate serious question about your business or about profitability about your net return on investments and all the sudden they just but it's like it did the old crinkling of paper against the the phone the situation where she is she acted there he acted got a new look that up as if you the they couldn't even participate in the call like they froze we just didn't move on camera because they didn't want the Chinese government to be mad at them about recognizing Taiwan answering this question surrounding it so Nancy Pelosi hears the Chinese government does not want her going to Taiwan and all the sudden that the day before she supposed to go there she comes down with COBIT oh okay yeah really believable so so there's this whole idea that basically she she just uses COBIT and that's kind of what they hinted to their when they were saying that there's this government told dinner were there there kind of mixing and mingling with celebrities in three weeks and it be kinda funny if they all got it just timely right around there you know because it because it basically just uses a political tool at this point if you can if you can cry wolf you missed a get out of anything right now you know how I see it and a lot of jobs where you know people are calling out you know Cindy got the cove it because now they gotta be out for two weeks now our politicians are literally doing that so I just thought that was funny I thought that was interesting the timeliness of that the day before she supposed to go to Taiwan she all of a sudden has covert interesting now the next thing that over the watch here is going to be Brian Stelter basically getting ripped apart by a college freshman you heard that right in the panel looks to be disinformation in the erosion of democracy and here's Brian Stelter if you haven't seen the Brian Stelter clip with Russell Brand to where he makes front of Brian Salter if you don't know Brian Stelter is you will immediately recognize his list and lack of testosterone as soon as you hear him speak but he was a CNN there is to this day works for CNN and in you'll be able to hear who he is and just a moment once you hear this college freshman basely rip apart CNN for everything that they've done rightfully so go ahead and watch the clip now you for coming my name is Christopher Ppillips on my first year at the college my question Mr. seltzer Steve all spoke extensively about Fox News being a purveyor of this information but CNN is right up there with them they pushed the Russian collision halts they push that Jesse select hoax they smeared justice Cavanaugh is a rapist and they also smeared Nick Sammon as a white supremacist and yes they dismiss the Hunter Biden laptop affair as pure Russian disinformation with mainstream corporate journalists becoming little more than apologists and cheerleaders for the regime is it time to finally declare that the decanting of journalistic ethics is dead or no longer operative all the mistakes of the mainstream media and CNN for I like to use the word regime there I think that's an important term to be able to use that you know lick that this cooperative cohesive unit across all corporations and political government ties celebrities Hollywood you know we saw those things all all kind of intermingle here and I like how use that word regime he's literally just laying out every single thing that CNN has done recently it is a perfect manner so let's let's continue watch this clip and I just I thought that regime word was the perfect term to be able to use when it comes to the collusion of CNN of the mainstream media talking heads even like Fox news and in the ways that we've seen it in the modern day last two years and he really just rubbing your face in it so I thought anyways good good use of that term squatting continue the particular seem to magically all go in one direction are we expected to believe that this is all just some sort of random coincidence or is there something else behind it was a college student bankrolling St. and Brian felt a minor liberal network is just as guilty and perpetuating intonation as any other media that has been accused of doing side Brian felt was a guest on the panel at the invitation, Australian Australian accents are great by the wife see Krista Ppillips he was a college freshman at the University: a panel for labeling functioning as that the value of this information but David thinking man is right topic to a few examples including when training pushed the Russian collision hi when I push the chassis montage and of course my studies of late when the network dismissed Hunter Biden laptop story Ppillips launched into a blistering argument whether it's time to finally declare the kind of journalistic ethics instead of the mainstream media continue to act as she arranges for the right same thing the Democrat party take a look at how the same engine let's answer the question arguing that Christopher is watching a different channel to the one that he watches too bad sign for lunch got 1/32 there there is a closet is 30 seconds but my honest answer to you I will come over and talk in more detail after this is that I think you're describing a different channel than the one that I watch but I understand that that is a popular right-wing narrative about CNN it's important what about shared reality and democracy all these networks always outlets have to defend democracy when they screw up admitted but when Benjamin called Fox correspondent was wounded in Ukraine the news crews at CNN the New York Times stopped what they were doing they tried to help they try to help get the country try to find the dead crew members that's what news outlets do that's how they actually do work together to your question about sharing those kinds of connections and trust we'll talk about it enough the we don't share that reality about how that happens with regard to the regime I think you mean Pres. Biden last time I spoke with her by name we held each other so that's the reality of the news business people see people don't hear they imagine that it's a situation that simply is not but I think your question it speaks to the failure of journalism to show our work and show the reality of how our profession operates we have a lot of work to as a dividing story finally gains okay so I actually saw the the remainder of that clip for the first time I did when I saw before was just the response was I can try to dance around like you're watching a different TV channel than me so you know we want to watch the full clip on these things we don't want to just sit in and take the clips that conservative right wing media outlets on Instagram or twitter or tick-tock just put out put out for us because outreach culture right so even in that situation I didn't know that he went into full detail on those things and in kind of you know said that we we have work to do right they know that you do not trust them that you know that you know in the but EPO still dances around it and give you some cracker should you know we yelled at each other like there's no correspondence between me and Joe Biden's government like of course there is and we know that CNN is just a puppet talking had for in the right way the regime right what a perfect way to put that so you know in in that particular situation Brian seltzer went to a little bit more detail and in the hopefully he did go talk to that guy like he said he was going to because he didn't answer a single question about maybe how they were trying to combat this this idea that everything that they're saying is corrupt or wrong in in he didn't even really deny it you know he say what he said was basically they tried to find dead people in Ukraine are journalists when they were killed in but hey at least he didn't you know at least it wasn't as candid a response as we thought before you know it it's it's a sad day when eight and I talked about this last episode I think it it's when you go back and read the comic books when you go back and read comic books like you know who it was Superman was a journalist to write like all of these superheroes all the superheroes were like there is theirs there was a certain amount of like the steam that came with being a journalist and even to the point where you were like idolized in in in comic books right and so we completely lost that way right it was like the hard-nosed cigarette smoking whiskey drink in truth finding journalists that used to be thought of in like that those 70s 80s and 90s and now it's literally just political talking heads for for big brother and in so you have to go to these one-off channels like you know this one to to find the actual full stories right you you can't just listen to these mainstream media has because we know growing up we always heard about China right we always heard that China wouldn't even let you watch that did the TV channels that are out there right they they wouldn't even let you hear that the fact they won't even let you use Google right now it now we know that our own government is censoring certain media outlets regarding Russia and Ukraine right like root routers Reuters rockers are you this RT news think root routers there being completely centered like II try to find a YouTube video about Putin doing judo if you didn't know Putin is actually a judo black belt in competed in Sambo as well enough he competed but I know he participated and that is legit judo black belly watch the videos of him doing some throws he's a legit judo black belt and I want to go find them when Elon musk threatened to beat his ass and twitter over over a country and that when I went to go find that they would literally on YouTube said you cannot watch this video or or did this channel is not supported in your country and so we have become the China that I used to took to frown upon in middle school and high school when I heard those things I just thought it was the craziest thing in the world that they were able to watch TV channels they were able to go to certain websites write it in and it all surrounds what were seeing now with our media and even YouTube and in the Internet being actually censored and that's the problem with these like this the strip mall that we have today is is you know back in the day when you surf the World Wide Web you know the times of AIM in your away messages it was a different Internet right is like you used to go to different different specific websites and used to know the websites that you want to go to and it didn't always just be three or four websites right like that right now you're probably use Google I hope you don't you should be on brave browser and break search engine now that Dr. Koza will snitch to but you probably use Google probably go on Facebook you probably you know have a few different news outlets and if you listen to this podcast probably not right you probably have a few better ways of looking at his brother that is most people write most people use the Internet like it's a strip mall like this for five options that they can go to and if they deviate from those options is like the wild wild West and it's our fault for letting it get to that point that's awful for allowing the mainstream that the general public to be brainwashed into thinking that you know you can't venture out on the Internet from those specific websites right and so I think that there is a certain conversation to be had around then I do think that our media obviously has a long way to go in the ways that they correct these things that I don't see any way that they can redeem themselves I think that we have now shifted to a new environment where podcasts like this were journalists like that Matt taibi be where where there's people out there who are doing real journalistic work where we will go find them now I think were going away from the last five years even 10 years or so were we've had this like stripmall approach to the Internet and I hope to see this continuance of the rising of podcasts of the continuing rising of sub stacks and in conversations around individuals who have no vested interest in corporations who have no vested interest in politics and in just her speaking the truth because they know that that's there's like a certain part of you I think there's like there's a certain part of all humans that search for the light that looks for truth in times of deception and in it which is interesting for Leica animalistic perspective right like it I wonder if there's anything in any other animals like it would add obviously they're not generally sentiment enough for us to ever know what it's it's a curious conversation to me is like what is that drive as I know I have it like I can't just sit back in if you haven't watch the documentary the dissident if you haven't heard about the dissident it is a unbelievably crazy spine chilling documentary surrounding the literal murder murder of a Saudi Arabian journalist and he floats it from fleeing to the US running you know away from his family being threatened in Saudi Arabia for speaking out the truth about the government about the royal family and then while he was in it went basically up to the consulate in Turkey and was assassinated by the Saudi Arabian government cut up into pieces dismember there's a literal literally in the entire transcript of the conversations that happen because there is a recording device in the consulate and in talks about how this man was this like murdered sauna part horrible horrific things happen to this man because he was speaking the truth and I was sitting next to my wife when we were watching this and it was like almost like a really eerie because I'm in the space that I am talking about the things I'm talking I literally like this guy was talking about the Saudi Arabian Kings son who was actually running the show and all the terrible things that he was doing and you know while my last episode was entirely about Hunter Biden's laptop it was a little a little concerning and in a little those little bit of a reality check it but but again there was that something in me that was like like you can't just not talk about these things is on the voices speaking the truth and and there's not enough people out there who are willing to have the balls to speak up in a time like this where you you know literally got my entire Instagram my whole platform 50,000 people that follow me shadow banned for posting a Senate hearing for posting a Senate hearing that's were read today and so in in that situation you know when when when you're going after the king's jester right when the king kills the jester that's when you know the that the road the monarchy is crumbling right in and there was there was a quote within the dissident that documentary that he said when when speaking the truth I got a remember the right way that he put it if speaking words makes you a if if speaking words makes you the enemy or or they go after you for speaking the truth that shows you how weak they are shows you how how would the foundation of their arguments the foundation of their their their world to their government to their everything is just so so that there is no structure there is no foundation in it so weak that if you speak a word you say a word now they're in a come after you for in this case actually assassinate this man and and that shows you how weak they are his words literally words when your government with that big house scared they are of you how scared they are of us how scared they are of the truth and I know it's gonna come out eventually and it's just a waiting game right when Facebook is shadow bans you when scram shadow bands you when tick-tock shadow bans you there's going to be another platform affiliate is not to be true social anytime soon and maybe it's Twitter after Elon saves the day but whatever it is there's going to be something the light always shows in that light comes from like humanity from the heart from people like you and people like me that seek the truth and know there's truth out there and and and smell the bull shipped in and know that everything that they're saying is is is an effort to manipulate you right if you've ever been around us a psychopath they literally do it's a microcosm of what our governments been doing to us and so it is literally as you know all of the all of the gas lighting all all of the you know abusive tactics the shutting down of part like everything that happened over the last two years was abusive tactics and so it shows you how weak they are it shows you how the it's been built on a house of cards and in the truth is is the wind right and there's so afraid of it there's so scared further further Empire of lies to crumble that they're willing to go to whatever lengths they can including not even allowing you to speak words right not even allowing you to have a conversation surrounding their their their wrongdoings and into their faults it in and that shows you just how weak they are all in all go watch that dissident documentary it's is really really interesting and I think you'll take away a lot from it and it will show there's a reason so like the guy that did it I don't member's name right off the top my head I believe his last name is ogle he's the same guy that did the documentary Icarus that caught all of the Russian Olympians doping that got them basically thrown out of the Olympics so same guy that did Icarus did this documentary the dissident and he went to Netflix he went to Hulu he went to talk to all of these huge streaming services that he had connections with in the past from his other documentaries and none of them would touch this none of them none of them would stream this this documentary and that once you go into it you realize why you realize that they're there they kind of show the cards of of what the next steps of the regime are right they show it that the lengths that a government is willing to go to hide their lies and they show the tools that they use like there was like an 80,000 person Saudi Arabian royalty farm that was eliminated for basically what it was like 88 80,000 accounts on Twitter that word done away with by Twitter itself because they were all going after singular hashtags like if you spoke up like a break right now with the Ukrainian situation like you'll see that hashtag save Ukraine hashtag this hashtag that there's these campaigns and then there's that there's it they go after accounts to so if you speak up against the things that they're talking about those and 80,000 accounts after your account after year one video that speaking the truth and then they'll get your account shut down right maybe that's not Instagram doing that maybe it's not twitter doing that it's it's the government's shadow little bot farms that they're sending there is little they call them those like the bees or something in the dissident but you really gotta go watch a movie it tells you it shows you your hand shows you the links that are willing to go and it shows you how how desperate they are to hide the truth and how weak they actually are and it's a reflection of our own government in its infantile stage is now however he did flee to the United States that's worth noting that this journalist did flee to the United states at one point because he felt that the the freedom of speech platform was the best here but concerning nonetheless because you see where it's all coming to an right now right we see where this is going you see that it does not seem that far off for what happened in the dissident to happen here in the United States so on that note let's go ahead and watch this clip surrounding the DIA documents that release there is 1500 documents released surrounding UFO encounters drowning people who were around UFOs people who basically got like sucked into UFOs women who were impregnated by aliens like all of this crazy stuff 1500 documents released by the DIA showing alien encounters showing encounters with alien weaponry alien propulsion systems and all of the crazy stuff that happened with that so let's go ahead and watch this quick little video surrounding that an MO actually read the documents themselves and go into detail surrounding these things and potentially what the conspiracy could be turning into here with project blue beam which is kind of out there so stick around for that again I don't know if I believe all this but I fight it either I don't know why they tell us now right why would what would the aliens all the sudden be such a hot topic right for how long was it like the tinfoil hat wearing all the movies like try to diminish the conversations around you you were crazy 510 years ago you are crazy if you thought aliens were real right now how how short after that every now accepting it having all the CIA documents, all of these DIA documents, about how there could be potentially real to hold all of these sightings in the military aircraft's and how it it's affecting general public right whereas they used to demonize people right all the way back to Lake Roswell so let's go ahead and watch this clip and I will discuss it will read the actual article surrounding this and then will go into the actual documents and then we will discuss project blue beam but before we do that what a need to do first is go ahead and press the subscribe button wherever you are on this listening to this platform right now how to press the subscribe button head over to Apple music or specify if you could and leave a five star review that helps the podcast a lot it basically puts us up in the ratings let people know that what I'm doing here is quality work which I hope you feel after this the half hour or so that we been talking here I hope you feel that the audios them better I hope you feel it that the videos been better I really redid 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tracking unidentified object balls of light suspended over the ocean UFOs chasing warships all part of a growing body of sightings of you APs or unidentified aerial phenomena now become something even more explosive 1500 page Pentagon report of previously classified documents cataloguing accounts from witnesses and victims claiming radiation burns brain damage and even paralysis after close encounters with UAVs is the most haunting of all the reports from from my perspective because it shows immunological deficiency it shows altering human DNA it shows degradation on a cellular level prepared in 2010 by the Pentagon's secret advanced aerospace weapons program the report was released only after a freedom of information request it found sufficient incidents and accidents have been accurately reported medical data acquired as to support the hypothesis that some advanced systems are already deployed and opaque to full US understandings this is from within the documents themselves of the report says humans have been injured from exposure to UFOs from objections at perceived time loss the sexual encounters and unexplained pregnancies were talking about an area where there is an intervention with the human being on such modeling it is beyond just the negative health effects some of the stuff is really bizarre so what's next while this program ended in 2010 Corbell says the Pentagon continues to study UFOs and more military documents are likely to be released this how crazy so I believe it was the son news company the sun basically came out into the freedom of information act request to the DIA regarding documents surrounding a secret unit will not so secret but kind of like shadow side of the government which was looking into these UAP's which they you know I like how they just change the name and think you're stupid enough to forget that they tried to make you seem crazy for questioning these things because that's exactly what that was right like the UAP to UFO like the UFO is like what would people with tinfoil hats talk about but UAP is these things are legitimate they they just this the gas lighting right it's it's the it's the making you seem crazy until there is there ready to expose the truth or until they're ready to make you think they're exposing the truth in an attempt to weapon eyes it against you which will talk about through the project blooming conversation but I digress I do think is really interesting that this conversation came out recently I do think that there's something to this but also I do question everything at this point Ray I think that anytime the government's giving a big push on something huge like this then you need to question why now why are they releasing these documents this request was done in 2017 so took them over four years to dictate what parts of these documents they were going to release and why and so you see that some of the things that they discuss on there are the sightings themselves are different types of like bodily effects that the radiation poisoning has on them from feeling the propulsion systems from Mike making looking at these UFOs in the air and then like basically having like losses of time and are reality different perception changes which will talk about were actually looking at these documents but I do think this is this is probably one of the biggest releases knows Jeremy Corbell if you don't know who Jeremy  is he did a documentary with fellow who – why can I remember that guys name you're probably screaming that in your head right now he went on Joe Rogan with Jeremy Corbell and said that he was a part of the team that went into Roswell itself and looked at the actual aircraft spoke to the people surrounding these these aircraft and actually found one of the chemical compounds from the aircraft itself which became added to our periodic table as a result of this years later but they told him that he was crazy for all of us so Jeremy Corbell was the one is being interviewed and that he's been looking into this for a long time is in a few documentaries on it so looking to Jeremy Corbell's work because it's it's quite interesting so now were going to do is were to head over to some of these documents here and read through them so I'll read the sun article which is the actual company that's actually requested these documents let's see right so won't be the sun and the view from the sources UFO docs re-declassified Pentagon reveals more than 1500 shocking documents this is from Marco.com and this is just showing the actual documents here so okay perfect now were going over the son who did the actual freedom of information act request and this was written on April 5 so four days ago this is shooting us in the night so I got is released at 1574 pages of real-life X-Files related to its secretive UFO program after four year battle this online first requested a copy of all files reports and video files related to the advanced aviation threat identification program or otherwise known as AA TIP in other words Tip December 18, 2017 they sent this document to them back to them which said this response your freedom of information act request dated December 18, 2017 that you've submitted to the Defense intelligence agency for information concerning base which is asked for the documents from the agency and class of an unclassified program which ran between 2007 2012 which was the AV advanced aviation threat identification program does apologize for the delay Amber responded to your request as the DIA continues his effort to eliminate the large backlog of pending requests probably how many of them are related to aliens, search of DIA's systems of records located 52 documents totaling 1574 pages responsive to your request upon review I have determined that some portions of 52 documents 1574 pages must be withheld in part from disclosure pursuant to the freedom of information act the withheld portions are exempt from release pursuant to exemptions 34 and six exemption three applies information specifically that allow talks about these options are forcing us and say here is the letter from the Defense intelligence agency confirming is released in 1574 files and then it goes on to show some videos actually taken by Navy pilot pilot showing interactions with unidentified aerial phenomena or otherwise known as UFOs you the cats if we filed in and freedom of information act this is what the article goes on to say from the actual son Mrs. finally after more than four euros rears they release more than 1500 documents includes government commission scientific reports and letters to the Pentagon regarding the UFO program the hall includes reports insert into research on the biological effects of UFO sightings on humans sets out to cat it sets out categorizations for paranormal experiences and studies the Syfy style text one thing they going to hear is basely talking about like elves and yetis and you know they going to some crazy stuff so the DIA the department of defense aspirants that some portions of the documents must be withheld in part due to privacy and confidentiality concerns but the agency added the DIA has not withheld any reasonably sag ripple nonexempt portions of the records the bombshell freedom of information Hall includes reports on the DIA's research into the biological effects of US a UFO fight sightings oh my goodness on humans and this includes burns heart problems sleep disturbances and even bizarre occurrences of as a parent abduction and unaccounted for pregnancy now if I was him and I guess you can alum like you get some child support like that would I guess that be the worst part of being pregnant by an alien they go on to talk about like what happened to these pregnancies that would be an interesting conversation I don't think there's any information on what I see happen but if there's unaccounted pregnancies I'm sure they followed the mom to see if there was some men in black type baby born member that seen men in black where the woman's in the car with the crazy guy and ends up giving birth unlike the side of the road and with like a little squid alien if you I need to go back and watch that but the men in black there's a great scene of an alien a woman pregnant with an alien who gives birth and is either of anyways if you haven't seen that my apologies for that picture you just hadn't had the reports that it has 42 cases for medical files and 300 similar unpublished cases where humans have been injured after anomalous encounters now it says at a tip was a secretive Pentagon program that ran between 2007 in 2012 the study UFOs it was outed by former intelligence official turned whistleblower Luis Elizondo who headed up the program back in 2017 bombshell videos of unexpired UFO sightings by US military personnel investigated by a tip were also first published at the time it says that the revelations on new program marked a step a step change in the way the US talked about UFOs now more commonly known as a different name because they're trying to guess that you as unidentified aerial phenomena in the phenomenon has stepped from the fringe into a serious national security concern discussed by lawmakers defense officials and even former presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clinton one fascinating document included in the inquisition threat support report sets out how to categorize anomalous behavior which includes encounters with ghosts yetis spirits elves and other mission other mythical legendary entity is classified as a and three seeing a UFO with alien aliens and board would be ACE three poltergeist crop circles spontaneous human combustion alien adoptions and other paranormal events are also categorized studies into advanced technology such as invisibility cloaks mind control robots were also included in the document cash other documents obtained include studies into communicating with alien civilizations and plans for deep space exploration and colonization alright so now it will actually look at some of these documents here and see what they have to say were in a so it goes on to say now let's let's just kinda skip over to the documents themselves so if I when I was scanning the documents there is a few pieces of these are really caught my attention the first ones being the catalog of UFO related human physiological effects it talks about frequency distribution so you see in these documents they talk a lot about like the radio frequencies or radiation frequencies that have to be reached to accomplish some of these things including like things like telepathy and so what we're going to go through here is a table of the facts and frequencies now that the documents that I have here that all include in this week's sub stack is 38 pages I'll see if I can find the entirety of these documents but for now the ones I have is 38 total pages and this is going to be the reference of a table of effects frequency so it says let me just kind of run through all of these with you the different effects that coming into contact with UFOs has had in the situation so I don't know what they kind of like timeframe as of this I think that's an important thing to say you know if this was happening like back in the 30s I think we want to know that if it was happening with like George Washington getting abducted and in you being you know sexually assaulted by aliens I kind of want to know that what what is the timeframe that were actually talking about here so what will start from the top it says the table of the facts when basically coming in the contact Sosa's apparent objections is page 129 electromagnetic effects on vehicles paralysis perceived time loss light beam affects eye injuries heat medical exam oh gosh that sounds horrible is that like probing I think that think you have to be probed in the human world when you're like 40 or 50 right of the colonoscopy burns unconsciousness marks left on body significant sound effects like humming electrical shocks physiological emotional shocks intense fear prickling tingling sensations pain skin sores rash induced headaches and migraines force field impact nausea vomiting sensation of cold disorientation and confusion the ground traces weakness fatigue amnesia apparent experience of telepathy numbness significant odors voice loss appetite loss insomnia perceived time suspension dehydration swelling of tissues dizziness weightlessness levitation healing sexual encounters deaths diarrhea hair loss and nightmares know the ones that I would say are the most interesting to me would be obviously sexual encounters I wonder if like you know why are the aliens that are coming into contact to like kinda given something back here they just you know in it for themselves I think we need to know what type of lovers these aliens are because that could potentially tell us a lot about who they are who they are when it comes to you know award type situation if they were giving love or you know maybe we have a chance of surviving these types of attacks but if they're pretty selfish and you know just kind of worried about getting off themselves and maybe maybe we gotta be a little bit more concerned with what truly and honestly it probably does have some type of insight to know what type of sexual encounters if they're taking his encounter seriously what what were they note specifically I guess we will see that when we see the full documents releases on page 5 if you can pull them up yourself at this point so the other one I will be interested to me are interesting to me perceive time suspension so would that be like like you see the UFO in time kind of stops and maybe you and I am now know I'm I'm really into the sea without the time stopping in the situation perceive time suspension apparent experience of telepathy that's obviously interesting significant motors that sounds terrible whatever significant odors aliens encounters are giving off I probably don't want any part of that ground traces so that's things like crop circles I would assume what is so funny like how many I lay that tells you everything you need to build a Hollywood everything you need to know about like that the that the way that they go about grooming you like grooming you is the right word for this the way they're going about showing us these alien encounters these alien situations all like just so happens that now we have 1500 documents surrounding alien encounters and in the things that have happened to people on these things that we been taking seriously for a while also diminishing the public's opinion on these things and making you feel crazy for talking about them back to the original point I think makes it interesting to think about how how Hollywood what had include into all of these things literally all of these things like every single one of these things have been in a movie right the humming the the ground traces the perceived time suspension the sexual encounter on the night I really haven't seen the movie specifically to take that seriously but I'm sure there's many many should the movies that you can put Hunter furthers some type of alien sexual encounter apparent experience of telepathy that's an interesting one right is like and they talk about that's consistently throughout the documents of this is the situations where like the even like the radiofrequency that needs to be given out or the radiation frequency needs to be given out to allow it to happen now that's interesting to is like how did they get the scientific evidence that shows the numbers that they're putting out these documents to it also says force field impact a Perry and we talked about that pain skin sores rashes electrical sound effects the humming is been a consistent one Hollywood in medical exam That's creepy right II don't want to go to a human doctor who both will have a have an alien trying to figure out what's going on to me like you know May maybe they're just like what if they were abducting people and like just you taking the lower class you know poor and in doing free medical exams them like a these these humans are kind should he were to help you out were just gonna abduct the poor people and give them enough free free medical exams in I think they could do that for dental and that would be a good campaign for for the aliens as if they could you know of duct us and do free dental work because I think anytime you pay like $1200 for a root canal you nothing feels good about that like if you're reading my body of know use insert the blank of whatever BS medical situation but that say something like cancer if you're ready my body from cancer I got a pay you whatever money was due April anytime someone he has to pay for dental work 1200 bucks for a root canal is like right let you can abduct me and in maybe even probe me if you give me free until four so that maybe this is that if we look at this in a positive way you know maybe maybe there's some but there's some good that came out of this like the sexual experiences in the medical exams right leg over to the house their bedside manner for downloads that the DIA as it was asking the right questions during this time they probably should've hired me to come in and consult them on these things so that those were some of the interesting things that came up in that document it did I've actually missed a few pages that Jake went on to say claimed ESP development nosebleeds taste that one of the taste that I saw on here was was metallic ligament metal taste ringing in ears weight loss breathing problems urination problems so they pits themselves gynecological problems claimed in plant perceived teleportation stunned itching loss of taste loss of hearing induced feeling of calm or serenity I think we should do a draft like if you had to choose like three good like the three Baston here don't be like the coolest and the three worst I think we could probably do that pretty easily obvious if you could get that feeling of calm and serenity may be a sexual encounter and some free dental work would probably be that that the top three overall pics of the of the annual 2022 alien awards for for best best action done now the worse one sound to me like they could also be the same ones because in no there could be some terrible sexual encounters medical exams now I'll still take the induced feelings of calm and serenity but anyway so that that was in in no particular order each one of EM effects on power systems involuntary muscle movement induced body odor work growth so the deposit the deposited way of so the oh maybe a sound like the earth I hope no mental enhancement that would be good one mental degradation swallowing difficulty teeth vibrations fillings crumbled old my God so teeth vibrations fillings crumbled that's horrible how hair precipitously turned white shout out to Elsa time sped up unaccounted for pregnancy on accounted for okay so that is in there from that that conversation unaccounted for pregnancy hold my gosh the cave week can we get a follow-up on that guys like if if if a woman became pregnant from an alien can we figure out maybe what came of this situation because you know if there is an alien kid that my daughter's school you know I died at least like to know what age they are cancer fever stomach dizziness stomach dizziness stomach sickness I'm blind physiological energization okay loss of smell external control of vehicle and material evidence that's wildly vague okay so some other interesting outcomes from alien encounters right now the next thing is the rating situation so they basically had a ratings list of how they would rate different anomalous behavior so it goes from I get a and one and two and three and four and five sources anomalies and I guess that's with a N stands for home as a rating system so it says see so just we get the full context here in are equal so his anomalies which have no lasting physical effects is an and one says and and and more for slights and unexplained explosions okay and to his anomalies which do have lasting physical effects i.e. poltergeist materialize objects areas of flattened grass and corn circles okay and three anomalies with associated entities such as ghosts yeah these spirits elves and other mythological legendary entities no ghosts yetis spirits and elves has its own rating on this DIA freedom of information act released class previously declassified documents the way how many do and how many military documents and and and classify governmental documents have the word yeah the on hidden and elves oh my gosh like you need to we need that this is Santa real Santa is deafly real elves spirits yetis and ghosts also on this list dear so how crazy is it that there is a real legitimate governmental conversations in you know how like when you're in a big corporate business how like corporatism is like imagine being lieutenant or or a captain or a the head of the CIA and having to write out documents about yetis why why are people not talking about this this is the craziest ship ever goes yet these spirits and elves and nobody's talking about this stuff nobody who like I would've imagined if the government came out of the documents around and go see yetis spirits elves and aliens in unexplained pregnancies that there were dependent literally people running in the streets to knock on doors to tell their neighbors about it and nobody like you walk into work tomorrow guarantee you nobody's bringing up the fact that the government just released documents about ghosts yetis spirits aliens elves and and encounters with aircraft of of alien kind nobody even walking to work tomorrow when you wake up at or when you get into work and you walk in there today and everybody's gonna be acting normal nothings can be changed nobody's gonna be talking about yetis or elves nobody's gonna be talking about poltergeist or crop circles nobody's gonna be talking about unexplained death or unexplained pregnancy from aliens nobody nobody is talking about this stuff why why who if this does not rattle the cage and in like why are we not having a conversation about this is why why are we not discussing this in public why are we not running to our neighbors house and saying that yetis could you know the government is recognizing the possibility of yetis poltergeists elves and other mythological like I like how they tell call them still legendary entities how is this is not proving their real but it is so interesting to me that some governmental employee is having to sit in in the right out a specifically formatted document to send as an email to somebody higher up within the organization surrounding yetis Argie they are yet he's real like our elves alike can this is I don't know what to think anymore know I'm when I leave this this podcast on the go see if I can really find my daughter unicorn because according to the DIA that seems very much within reach maybe you do if you can find Unicorn you can find dragons would be the way to go though that seems to be the coolest and I was too bad that women that would been pretty sick right anyways so let's move on to set your answer for you now one of the things that this came of this document that was discussed later was a concern around some of the actual military applications of these things that have already been implemented so one of such things was the conversation surrounding like the hypersonic missiles right like China and Russia both discussed how there was these new hypersonic missiles that came out and that they think that it was defying the laws of physics is quote unquote so here's an article by the son also discussing this is as hyperactive China I guess hyperactive is the name of the third news organization China secretly test to hypersonic nuke missiles that defied the laws of physics sparking panic in the West so that's like if you heard people talking about these things how they can just completely shift their wit where they're headed towards in midair hypersonic glide vehicle so it goes on to say that the test launches reportedly took place during the summer within the first on July 20 during the summer with the first on July 27 using a fractional orbital bombardment system which propelled the nuke capable hypersonic glide vehicle around the planet according the financial Times who spoke to the two US intelligence sources Beijing launch a secondary missile on August 13 three sources familiar with the first test at the launch stunned Pentagon officials because China demonstrated a brand-new weapons capability however they declined to go into further detail one source that scientists were struggling to understand the test which the US and other Western powers cannot replicate adding that it appeared to defy the laws of physics presidential my Biden admitted that yes he was concerned about China's development of such weaponry however his defense secretary Lloyd Austin and other White House officials refused to comment on the reported tests the Chinese Foreign Ministry has denied the report insisting they launched a space plane in July and not a missile earlier this year satellite images show China was building hundreds of silos to house inter Continental ballistic missiles and rockets which have a range of more than 3000 miles and can carry nuclear bombs well that's terrifying hypertonic missiles can hit speeds of up to 21,000 miles an hour and potentially even faster and are seen as devastating new frontier of warfare the rockets are a game changer because unlike ballistic missiles which find the space before returning on steep trajectories they zoom in on targets at lower altitudes this combined with typical speeds of five times the speed of sound makes them extremely hard to shoot down in a potent weapon more countries want to get their hands on a senior diplomat has warned the US is unable to defend themselves from the hypersonic missile well that's terrifying a senior diplomat has warned that the US okay sweetie said the ambassador Ron Peart would the US representative at the conference on disarmament in Geneva said hypersonic technology is something that we have been concerned about we just don't know how we can defend against that technology either does China and neither does Russia but the revelations of Beijing summer missile test has sent shockwaves through Western intelligence who fear they actually underestimated China circling the globe it shows that the weapon potentially has a range of some 25,000 miles and can even operate in space it means the missile can theoretically hit anywhere on earth a key part of the hypersonic missile concept is the glide vehicle which carried around 30 miles above the earth by a rocket but then becomes detached interesting okay so that's terrifying now the conversation that that arise from wow so China's is like a way better than everybody else's while so China has a range of 25,000 Koreas has a range of 2000 Russia has arrange a 3700 in the US is top range is secret but the top speed is 3800 mph which is probably in the top three for Russia's 21,000 miles an hour and then the range or the top speed for China's unknown North Koreans is 3800 so obviously it sounds like Russia has the fastest that we know of by far smashing ours China has the longest range North Korea sucks but it's equal to ours interesting as first because so interesting enough that was supposedly something some type of like technology that could have potentially come from these type of revelations from understanding and read the verse engineering the aircraft that were received in things like Roswell so on from there now let's go ahead and touch on project alluvium so the transition from this the Segway here is the path is that there's an idea out there that the government is not just releasing these alien documents at this time because they want to and they all the sudden want to tell us the truth rightly quiet why would they now decide of all times to release these documents right why does it matter today what is what is the agenda right and so that's where project blue beam comes in the play and project blue beam basically explains that the government is doing these things to basically find a way to culminate all of this information to a a I don't know if I'm using these words or a precipitous like a peak right like a of all of this information coming out and in one that would like to terrify everybody and unite the world and and allow us to like be subservient to a new world order which referred over and over and over again in project blooming is the idea that they are releasing these documents they are releasing this information they are normalizing this content surrounding aliens alien vehicles alien abductions so that eventually they can utilize that platform two get you to go with whatever it is that they want and what they want is a new world order a singular world government imposed upon the people and in everything that you do is surveilled every action that you take is governed by this entity and if you go against the things that they say you are going against essentially them deeming himself as God in every which way so how they are going to implement that is this is called Project blue beam in this conspiracy world so project blue beam is the idea basically that they're going to utilize this information and are dropping this information over time to get you to a point where you will go along with the government being the Savior of this new alien species that is wanting to attack us okay so now you have the premises go ahead and read this article which goes into it a little bit further in a size 1994 surrogate mom and asked a writer and investigative journalist from Québec published an alleged manifesto of sorts explaining his wild theory that was renamed infamous in certain circles to this day what is project living according to Sergey Manas the four step project designed by NASA and the United Nations would allow these governments to accomplish what he believed to be their ultimate goal of creating a new age religion led by the antichrist in order to start a new world order dictatorship while I do know my stuff NASA would implement project blue beam Manas believed with a system of advanced mind control as well as top secret technology in order to trick everyone into believing there will but there would be a second coming the first step one the project will be and would involve the manufacture of artificially created earthquakes in strategic locations around the world these earthquakes would according to the conspirator there is hoaxes unearth artifacts indicating that the religious doctrines of all nations have been misunderstood for centuries thus discrediting all religions Manas claimed that movies like 2001 a space sadly had already laid the psychological groundwork for the step by presenting stories in which mysterious unearthed object up and everything humans know about themselves and the world the second step Surrey Manas claimed would involve a gigantic space show during the stage of project moving three-dimensional optical holograms as well as later laser projections to of holographic images would beam across the sky what would these images include projections of Jesus and Mohammed Buddha Krishna would be merged into one so the ideas like that the race could get a take all of the deities all of that that the gods and project them across the world across all of the know like if you're

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I love doing what I do and can only continue through your generosity and support!  Donate https://givesendgo.com/redpillrevolution   Full Transcription: Welcome to red Hill revolution my name is Austin Adams Red Hill revolution started out with me realizing every thing that I knew everything that I believe everything I interpret about my life is through the lens of the information I was spoonfed as a child religion politics history conspiracy Hollywood medicine money food all of everything we know was tactfully written to influence your decisions and your view on reality by those in power now I'm on a mission a mission to retrain and reeducate myself to find the true reality of what is behind that number and I'm taken duress welcome to the revolution hello and welcome to red Hill revolution my name is Austin Adams and thank you so much for listening this is episode number 23 of the red pill revolution podcast again can't you so much we have had a crazy week to say the least and the really looking forward to this conversation around it to some of the topics that were the talk about I will highlight briefly so you know what you're getting yourself into because if you're not in the car you gotta find some way to buckle up because this week was crazy really looking forward there so just highlight high level of organ to talk about today John Zach Psaki some you may find me in the in the simple reviews for not saying her name right so the PSakae PSasaki at the government calling her process is asking him however you say her stupid name she is going to leave the White House for low and behold a position with an MSNBC who would've thought that there was somehow collusion between corporate news companies and you know politics rushing to touch him briefly some pop culture again briefly to his Will Smith resigning from the film Academy as a result of his lap controversy which there is an interesting conspiracy around having to do with a company called Pfizer and their new alopecia medication which was actually one of the sponsors of the Oscars he didn't see that Pfizer was actually a sponsor of the Oscar show they put it right up there beautifully on the board during their broadcast of this that they were sponsors of the Oscars and they just so happen to be coming out with an LP should medication whom interesting next thing to discuss is going to be found she himself having a video resurface of him basically explaining that you shouldn't got vaccinated next they were to touch on is Elon musk potentially coming out with his own social media platform were also go into detail some of the discussions on recently Madison Cawthorn came out during a podcast and you been listening to show you know medicine Cawthorn is the man has had several conversations with him myself is a great guy and has brought some really interesting topics up to the modern political arena so he basically said something about somebody offering him to become a part of their political teams orgy for theft in the also seeing somebody basically doing cocaine in front of him that was part of the GOP annexing ring to discuss is going to be a deep deep dive into Hunter Biden's laptop which is resurfaced recently with believers the New York Times and a few other media entities which came out and finally you know maybe a year into the presidency interesting how they waited that long to basically say yeah I guess this is true you know after social media band you if you said anything about the laptop for how long nobody's discussing that you were going to dive completely into that laptop what was in that if you don't recall these things will retouch on them if you never heard about what was in this laptop you know some crazy crazy things crazy things including him him basically sleeping it were doing an appropriate social things this 14-year-old niece you know the daughter of the late Bo Biden some of the other things are including him potentially having sex with Malia Obama that the child of Barack Obama and doing cocaine be as shown by her credit card wild wild stuff and then the White House coming out and saying that they will not rule out Biden pardoning Hunter for these actions which seems completely on the wrong soap anyways that was a foreman and introduction on all the crazy shirt that were to talk about today I hope you're on board because can be an awesome conversation now if you hear this next noise that is because this can be such a great show you will hear me opening up a beautiful fear to go through this conversation with you ready if you got one the time it together right next year grab it and there we go all right looking for this conversation and we are going to start off right here with Jen for the sake biggest the sake basically leaving her job and I see this is gonna have to do with radix right is all do with numbers and they know that she is been a horrible in a horrible face for Biden nobody believes her ship any more than they believe his ship and so they basically decided to get rid of her and she somehow landed a job at MSNBC so let's go ahead and watch this clip which is from the help are sorry for the terrible 70s porn music but go ahead and see if we can find the actual clip because that was the hill doing some overlays and typing stuff instead of you know making an actual video about it so let's find the very first video that comes up for her leaving the White House which we will watch right here all right here we go this is by ABC seven let's watch this video and see if they actually tell us what's going on conference at Sec. 10 sake appears to be on the verge of a big career move the 43-year-old will initially said she would stay in a position for a year is reportedly in advance contract talks to join MSNBC access first broke the news onetime political commentator will serve as a host and an honor expert with the move expected to come next month sake will join a cable news landscape that is clad with alumni of high-level Washington politics that's the coach for 30 seconds of them telling you exactly what I told you which of the fact that she's leaving the White House after one year of lying to the American people and to be replaced by some of the outs and she's going to lie to us more only under the guise of people who we know are liars which is in the mainstream media so I don't know whether to feel good or bad about this we'll see I saw some the else some woman that stepped into her position answering questions recently and didn't seem any more reliable than she was and but it's been a fun year clown show of watching this female Pinocchio tell lies to us over and over and over again is almost insulting at this point to see that with the way that they rub it in your face because how many times that you know how many times she been asked a question as she other dances around it is completely lysed completely lies right to your face about it you know it's it to me it's telling of were white houses right now right it you know if if they can even tell that you should at least be able to find a way to tell me something that doesn't make you look like a 100% liar the second you may be able to pull up any of the facts around the situation so just always mention that finally you know the witch is dead Zaki is leaving the White House and going on to continue her lying career with MSNBC now annexing to touch on briefly is what I talked about earlier which is will Smith resigning from the film Academy over the Oscars slap controversy which we have a video here for you a week and what a week it has been sent to Wilson a slapped comedian Chris rock on my TV at the Oscars that aftershocks of that movement continues to reverberate around the world snap snap comedian over a calculated that's next wife Jadda Pinkett Smith now the actor has announced he's resigning from his membership and be a timely statement to the actor says he will fully accept any and all consequences for his conduct calling his actions shocking painful and inexcusable and that is where we begin this edition how we can have you joining us to discuss on your hammy house displacement content so will leave it there would only listen like I could you can listen to me so Will Smith decided he was no longer going to be part of the Academy know if you're familiar with that little conspiracy that I told you about earlier the conspiracy is that Pfizer basically funded the Oscars which if we have been paying attention all of the last two years you've seen celebrities everywhere basically be pro Pfizer in every single potential way you could possibly imagine looking at every turn for pushing the American people along with the agenda of Pfizer to get vaccinated right that your kids accident to get your pregnant mom vaccinated get your wife actually to get your dog vaccinated all coming from celebrities which have no fundamental reason to be talking about science now we come to see why they were doing that right of course if the Oscars is funded by Pfizer the Oscars is the you know Pfizer is now going to have as much political push and play because otherwise why would they buy would they fund the Oscars why would they push money towards celebrity academies because they know that the academies control the individuals you have to be a part of the Academy so if you're part of the Oscars you know the Academy at the Oscars Academy when you're going to push the fundamentally systems and in in the things that you're told to push by the biggest single sponsor of an organization which in this case happen to be Pfizer right so interesting enough there's been full blowing articles around the inter-web of the world wide web I may say the basically that Pfizer was coming out with a brand-new elocution medication and that the potential for this controversy happening at the very same time after coming out of this alopecia medic of medicine is quite low right why was a hell how weird if you know how many times he heard the word alopecia in the last item a decade let's talk about that was less time heard alopecia well you heard it the second that will Smith smacked the ship out of Chris rock for saying anything about his wife in the what a lot of people believe was fake interesting now that's the case right it just so happens that the guy who went up there and slapped the ship out of Chris rock for saying something about his wife who had alopecia then one the single highest honor at the Oscars of the best after and then now he says his goodbye piece from leaving now that I've got best actor and probably made tens of millions of dollars from Pfizer if not more for smacking somebody on stage so if you're in that conspiracy world that is an interesting thought right did he go up there and did this event happen this acting event happened to raise awareness about this I do know autoimmune disorder which Pfizer then just so happens to sponsor the authors for which then just so happens to be the biggest talk of the night for the Oscars last 10 years and just so happens to be run the same time that the releasing and outpatient medication in an efficient southland whoever's doing this is obviously quite good at it whoever is on their Pfizer marketing team that that should should be the one winning actor of the year because all all of the things that they've done over the last couple years to make these things happen is from an outside perspective beside looking at it for the negative terrible things that they've done and all the people that they killed is quite the feat to get to know whatever percentage of the American public vaccinated with something for no specific reason at all and then to go on and sway the Oscars to get Will Smith to go smack the ship out of Chris Russia for an alopecia medic's medicine if this is all true it's almost impressive and obviously in the worst way right you know the things that Hitler did were impressive in a terrible horrible unbelievable way were how the hell did you get that many people to go along with your ship in this case same thing what in the world who is running the show it it because I receive the things that they're doing it is impressive in the worst way if the all of these things are true now I don't know not saying that it was but it seems pretty where that is alopecia medicines coming out right along the same time as will Smith smacking Chris rock over this alopecia joke the biggest platform ever right so now speaking of Pfizer and speaking of vaccinations let's go ahead and listen to Dr. Fauci who had a clip resurface recently of him basically saying there is absolutely no reason that anybody who has had the flu should get a flu vaccination because that's the best thing you could ever have is the flu the best vaccine he says you could have is actually getting the virus so let's go ahead and listen to his own words here generally that appears to be the case with you of the cheese of the flu for 14 days should she get a flu shut will know if she got the flu for 14 days Jesus protected his anybody can because the best vaccination is the get infected yourself and so should not get it if she really has the flu if she really has the flu she definitely doesn't need a flu vaccine yes she really has the flu she should not get it again that she doesn't need it because there it's the best is the most potent vaccination is getting infected yourself Henderson North Carolina okay now could you imagine if somebody said that on national television about Kovic you if you got COBIT have absolutely no reason at all vaccinated flagged misinformation hate speech racism sexism misogynistic trans phobia which put his will have to be careful in effect for a book on social media if you said that ship right now or two days ago or two years ago when this coven 19 thing came out if you said that you have no reason to get it at all if you said Word for Word what he just said on national television about coven you would literally have been removed reamed out now don't mistake it this same principle exactly translates in science has not changed guys no matter how much gas lighting the American political system tries to push in your face with or their corporations or the Hollywood Oscars science is not changed Yankovic is no reason you should be vaccinated because the most powerful vaccination according to Dr. Anthony Fauci is to have gotten the flu if you got the flu and you know you got the flu there's no reason to get the flu shot Dr. Anthony Fauci now replace the word fluke for culvert and we know how much of a flocking hypocrite that this man is just pushing the narrative of the companies that fund him like he has done for a very very very long time all the way back to the AIDS epidemic and what was the medication and ZT I am pretty sure it sends easy now that could either be the limitless drug from opposite Bradley Cooper cookbook for half her is either AZT or NZD am pretty sure the the fifth pretty sure it's AZT yeah NDT was the one from limitless alleyways agency was a drug if you know that was a cancer drug that was repurposed for the AIDS epidemic by fudging himself and end up killing tons and tons and tons of people that was completely ineffective and did nothing but they were basically repurposed it because they had no reason to be able to use it for cancer treatments and they made so much money off of repurchasing it for the AIDS epidemic which some people don't even think was real interesting so from the words of Dr. Anthony Fauci if you get the flu Nova Scotia a covert don't the Cova Chuck over the vaccine is your have the most powerful vaccine that you could ever get according to Dr. Fauci do that information which please know I don't know if anybody still getting vaccinated at this point like if you'd be if you gone this long without getting vaccinated this probably very few people were going to the local CVS or McDonald's drive through like that you were doing for a while is a crazy lie, it's quite only crazy things that happened over the last couple years were those like you know from from the guy that was eating you know it was like the New Jersey congressmen are governor who is eating a cheeseburger like sloppily wholesome mom now love this love this burger and his French fries know you can only get a free one Nephi a bold bit of vaccine in all you flat people out there that want a burger on the go get your vaccinations out to cadets was gonna make you healthy maybe just skip the burger lose the weight and you'll probably live longer Ellen probably don't get vaccinated either because now we know if he does get COBIT yet the basically the flu and for some people even less than what the flu was you have the strongest vaccination possible quote unquote Dr. Anthony Felty not my rent on codes over not wearing a look at a quick video about Elon musk teasing the idea that he may put out a new social media platform nose on the 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new social media platform Tesla's chief executive officer and billionaire Eli lost his difficult serious thought to building a new social media platform which he announced in a post last weekend according to Reuters bus was responding to a Twitter users question on whether he would consider building a social media platform with an open source algorithm and one that would prioritize free speech and what propaganda was minimal must've been critical of twitter and its recent policies his announcement comes a day after he put out a Twitter poll asking users that they believed to twitter it here is to the principle of free speech over 70% voted no I'm surprised that there's 30%… At Chevrolet twitter doesn't care to eat twitters better than the rest the right sliding scale I don't know if Twitter is better or worse than Facebook yeah kind of debatable item there are things I like about Twitter better I like there sort of bird watch fact checking saying is better than Facebook's third-party fact checkers which are atrocious twitter just twitter let's you and it doesn't block the whole article though they let you like put a comment on that and then you can count on that comment and it's a better program than Facebook's like just utterly awful that checking but I do know it I guess I don't know which is worse overall.Dorsey was kind of committed to free speech in some ways he was the Noah Zuckerberg so so Zachary Zuckerberg still in a still there any but were at that me but I have both platform sensor data center slightly different content same thing right tape that's really challenging navigating all of these big tech platforms for you know if you like right for example because it were posting clips on twitter and on YouTube on Facebook you have to kind of know okay let's platform have its own rules and regulations and are not all the same and so what is it can it be but it was interesting to think about a platform that would prioritize free speech I'm not really sure what that would look like my guess at Elon built that I did I don't know if it would be one of those things would like to let you know where he goes full throttle with it and says okay let's do this like twitter and bagging alternative or if it would just be something he kinda builds commands like twitter and then change its policies that formula but why start networking via twitter and just fix it up a little bit in the richest man in the world why not yeah and in the hole having it be free speech it is so okay so it's it's a private organization so doesn't have to follow the First Amendment none of these you platforms do and I don't think anyone people say they were they just want to be free speech platform usually what they mean they still want some level of moderation like we don't just wanted to be you know porn and death threats and right now there's going on twitter there is talk on twitter to visit regularly on Twitter it's been most discordant social media policy there is porn allowed on twitter not on any other platforms but that but all this via some amount of harassment and in the policing of that kind of stuff pretty much everybody at the end of the day is going to think is appropriating the question is where you draw the line and you know different people would dry differently but not know any platform that sets out to say no whenever to draw that line just a line is not heavy as a platform that said it could definitely be more allowing of open in a discussion and debate of legitimate issues like the things we talk about in the shower try to talk about the extent to let's us that could certainly be a better and improve note in Norman on a platform like Twitter for me the line is the loss so if something is breaking the law and that would be where I buy I think that you build the law is aligned but that would be more like like technically that is I don't think it's illegal to you know to do it just to just say where someone lives or what their phone number is right that you can't Go to jail for sharing that information on twitter I think of you post someone's phone number or or or address physical address I think they should take it down II would support a social media policy against that kind of behavior even though that behavior is fine under the First Amendment rights really you now yeah that's it's totally legal to dock somebody yeah everywhere absolutely yeah the 10th shut down Nexus now that I think about it I guess they do it all the time like here in LA you can do a tour of the Hollywood homes write a check and go see the celebrities nozzle drive you buy them yeah AI I suppose yeah there there are some things that should be different on social media that right they would not complete First Amendment I think it's my opinion that is patient they should prohibit right that the meeting is to be genuine community guidelines like for example if they collectively put it out there and asked the people would you be okay with docs and should we allow that on a platform and people would overwhelmingly say no anything okay that's part of the community guidelines one of the issues of these big tech platforms are not even really asking the community what the community wants or doesn't want right or just telling us these are our identity guidelines whether you like them or not but maybe if something was more inclusive right and said as a community what it really made it legible for all we know that the community on Twitter in particular might be totally for absolute censorship of dissenting views right eyes and that's real nice certificate not on Facebook now on Facebook I think the commute Re: so getting mixed reviews or temperature taxing in some ways this is illegal it can be us to consider the form of harassment however anyways Eli must coming out with his own the platform potentially at least he uses it now if he does decide to do that like I said appropriate and probably happen faster than I'm even let into true social know what would I have a problem with is all of these you know secondary tertiary social media outlets all tend to be like a Twitter reproduced twitter basically were just gives you a certain my letters and if you posted it goes on the civil feed and you can find people to follow based on who people share their feeds of and like I do hate that like short form you know I'd much rather talk to guys through video and discuss things that way and in get organic outreach that you know it's like much more I do know I just don't like the Twitter I've never really use Twitter's and cyclic 2012 so that I don't know if true socials like that it seems like it might be but I do know we'll have to see it and I hope you know somebody eventually comes out with a differentiation between tick-tock and Instagram is interesting finding like what they just said is that you know you have to walk that line and I'm sure the hell does but you know what I do even more with content that I talk about is that you have to find the line with each individual social media late and I'm pretty sure tick-tock will give anybody flexor stuff it just immediately is taken down the post of the video about the cat situation from you know what an episode or two ago where the cats got banned from the international Federation for Russian And that got flagged for hate speech on on talk but it's the most effective way to get your podcast or you know is the most effective marketing tools if you can put out solid video content in the the amount of reach that you can get where people just don't put very much time into video editing and if you do it well and in the things you're talking about are interesting and you are tend to be an interesting person who is talking about them they can circulate quite well on those platforms so I hope that eventually tick-tock Instagram reels get replaced with something that is speech based because I would be really good for the revolution rental revolution the show they are listening to rhino but it will be interesting to see if that plays out and haven't heard much more about it other than that now were going to jump right into our last topic before going into the Hunter Biden laptop which is a nice segue medicine Koestler went on to a podcast over the last week and discussed how he was approached by people within the political sphere about joining them in an orgy FS you heard that right and then he went on about how he seen people snorting cocaine and things like that all while in the political sphere so as much as video and then we will discuss it and is a quick little video about a new source and some people would been going after Madison Cawthorn for speaking about these things so let's go ahead and watch this clip here does revealing it was a show called house of cards number for my head around… Are you familiar with how you are seriously as I am with Kevin Spacey and I forget who else was in it, but AMI will not ship very well done aerial gunship but it was so dirty and it was about this Congressman who was Kevin Spacey who is an ethic was minority or majority whip yet what was yeah and so anyway very very powerful guy and it was just kind of like his secret life of all this corruption in power and money and perversion and was just purity how much in your opinion because your you been behind the veil is this fictitious show or is this more closer like a documentary it isn't that bad so I heard a former president that we had the 90s asked the question about this hand he gave an answer that I thought was so true and he said the only thing is not accurate in that show is that you could never get a piece of legislation about about education past that quickly and everything else is, aside from that I mean the sexual perversion that goes on washing I mean it being kind a young guy watching norm of the average age probably 60 or 70 and I literally feel a lot of that I have looked up to the my life always paid attention to politics guys that you Allison you get invited to hang with sexual get together at one of our homes you should turn them what what what you deserve some kind that and the is asking to come to an orgy or the fact that you list some of the people that are leading on the movement to try and remove addiction in our country and that you want him doing a keep on cocaine like Bernie and it's this is this is why and then there's also, the whole espionage aspect of what goes on washing of so many people trained in secrets and there there's a currency of secrets and so a it's wild and then yelled there's members of the of the the media the journalist you kinda will keep nasty stories about you or about other people on a shelf and then we fear about, speak out against him then once you will come out safe or about to drop the story of when it was 17 years ago you did X, Y, and Z you don't want us to drop that story to you sort were in a bully back in this position practically let's say that all of a sudden I was going in the office by the way I have no political aspirations zero and in people are always like children for office will by no absolutely not like sport people are have that colic have no desire to do that… Is a little thought experiment I am just elected Congress Senate whatever and I get in there and I go through my orientation and I have my good values and stuff and I stand for something like many others before how does that slippery slope actually get in front of our current president in always been in public service for 50 years at a certain salary which is kinda like good but it's not great you can't become a lavish multi-multi-multimillionaire with all these different houses in it the math doesn't work like the battery example that there was a real example of a real exam yet not good right before we added of a Nancy Reagan at about 700,000 electric vehicles to our federal fleet I noticed because if you go to that uniting its CEO watchlist.work you can see the trades that public traded company CEOs in a bind the C suite are making or ought what all trade members of Congress making is a will, monitor that justice was going on and I notice a lot of people in the majority party were buying stocks that had to do with some kind of bad racing technology for electric vehicles and then what you know it about a month or two later it would then announce right 700,000 electric vehicles Julia visit to the to the fleet and that while so let's let's address that in parts so is ask about house of cards great show unfortunate that it's Kevin Spacey because they don't think both left the difficult path for now but speaking on sexual perversion he get it he gets asked you know it he gets basically it starts the sentence with the fact that you know most of Congress and Senate and these people that I look up to for a long time and are in their 60s in their 70s and they came to me asking me to come to this sexual party after house and then he refers to them talking about an orgy this but if there is anybody that Madison Cawthorn is interested in you know how the 22nd 26 decent looking guy you know is interested in having an orgy with its probably not any single person that's also so happens to be in politics unless it was some sort of like you know despite sex with AOC which you know if they decide to do that you know I'm sure some people would do with pay a for a paper before but anyways if there's anybody that he can have an orgy with is probably not anybody that there's you know he's alongside in politics and in the enough audience to the see how many heart attacks happen if this political orgy especially because they all have to have the vaccine in those so it's in the he got like work for this after he talked about it is in and that second thing he goes on to say is basically that the same people were going on to push the policies around American drug addiction are also sitting in front of them taking a key bump of cocaine right in front of him and so he got so much pushback from his own party right for talking about these things and they don't have update they never refuted them right they said no we'll have you know 70-year-old orgies at the GOP convention that convicted but you shouldn't be talking about them is basically what they said about this in the same thing with the regular cocaine situation nobody said he wasn't telling the truth and so will go on to the next clipper they kind of comment on this right were they say you know he should've talked about this it's immature we hope to have him replaced by several other people who would never have brought the situation up but nobody's going on here to say that no that never happens in the political sphere were all great people and don't have the sexual perversions and you know so it is puzzling to me that anybody who tells the truth in politics is vilified immediately in Madison co-authored just tells the truth too much for these people when it comes to their perversions whether it's drugs whether it's sexual perversions whether it's you know they're back back and investments in companies they shouldn't be investing and based on insider-trading knowledge like Nancy Pelosi so he said the things that you're not supposed to say why should you say that the true right there is there somebody here legit a legitimate person in our political sphere who is speaking the truth about these situations is being vilified for so there's a quick clipper here were they we actually see this vilification of him talking about that for for talking about these things by his own political party saying that he should be out of the party because of him discussing these things now that they were wrong but that he should just have nothing to do with politics because he speaking the truth here's that forgings and cocaine those claims are drawing a lot of disbelief after North Carolina Congressman made them good evening everyone abroad, I'm Angela Taylor Martin Cawthorns comment had drawn criticism from his own party before the attendings rice bowl and join that the wrath who was he referring detailed well his colleagues in Congress he didn't name names but even so it's enough to draw fire from the people who work alongside two implicate your colleagues in orgies and not just cocaine but key box of cocaine phrase it frankly I had to Google before you really do what it bit so this was a new and even for medicine got what political scientist Chris Cooper who lives in Madison call thorns congressional district is referring to is a podcast and video work Hawthorne was asked whether the Netflix show house of cards is closer to a document Rick Hawthorne went on to claim he been invited by fellow lawmakers to orgies and watch them use cocaine both North Carolina Senators Tom Tillis and Richard Berger have criticized the comments has have other Republican lawmakers who typically remain silent like Arkansas Congressman Steve Womack I think it goes without saying that no one thanks this was a good thing to say to today I can even believe that Madison caught the work with think this is a good thing to say it sounds like you got dressed down by Bob McCarthy and don't really say this but in this case I think it was well-deserved that dress down comes less than a week after minority leader Kevin McCarthy responded to call for calling Ukrainian Pres. Zelinski fog Madison is wrong if there's any thug in this world it's and his video is been released of one of several times that call for his been pulled over for speeding and cited for driving while his license was revoked what you do with this which is really interesting right so he comes out and says and if you listen to that they didn't say anything about him not being correct didn't say anything about these orgies being fictitious or that these people doing drugs and cocaine in front of him being wrong then say that they said there was not to provide whatever like I said not appropriate we shouldn't even have talked about it and do it if you got right fully dressed down by this other old ass is 75-year-old Sen. for speaking about these things what what nothing he said was wrong nobody's refuted these things yet they're going to now release which is exactly what he said they would do Word for Word so that they keep these things on the shelf and literally the only thing they can find with him is him getting pulled over her for speeding or driving without a license or something on top of that so and he says that's well deserved because he talked about that that the unspeakable orgies and cocaine usage in our political spectrum he literally just proved him right he said that they're going to shelf something about me and then use it when I say something that they don't like so he says only they don't like you old people to gross people want me to join your orgy and you also do cocaine while also trying to save the world from drug addiction and then when I say something about it you're gonna shelf something like a video of me getting holdover that's the worst thing you can find of medicine co-author in doing, and release it at the same time so it tries to overshadow the statements that I said about you asking me 26-year-old to have an orgy with you 70 weirdos and then things only about your cocaine usage right and again this guy this political scientist is standing next to the sky in this interview says nothing about the him being wrong he says is not a good idea to talk about those things whom may be because their true May because there is sexual perversion within our our political sphere maybe because they are doing drugs there as we saw with Nancy Pelosi is inability to keep her dentures in her mouth or did not look like a lizard weirdo standing up in the metal cup of Joe Biden's no speech but few months a couple months ago or a month ago solicitors out theirs and theirs 40 seconds left with zero at the rest they have to say about this if you're one of the other candidates whether you're on a daily or and all are in the 11th district running in his primary there are seven people been running into medicine called Lawrence show a total in the primary and all seven are trying to portray themselves as more mature more grown-up better decision-makers in Madison called work clearly this is going to make that an easier proposition and without a doubt guys I imagine were innocents some of this and some of those ads that have reached all across the state at this point for his part so far Madison Coulter and has not, got the wild very interesting stuff they're not every day those two words out first out your mouth that's exactly on the news all right thinking of us that so can nobody saying he's wrong and he says that older more mature and older than them so they're trying to do depict themselves that way within the seven district so that they can get elected above medicine Cawthorn because you know when they get invited to our orgies hopefully they'll both say yes this and that will speak about it on the podcast you know like that it's so funny that these people can sit here and try to justify note the quote unquote dressing down of Madison Cawthorn on which again they didn't post anything that showed any venom or anything that he said being wrong they support that but they don't support him speaking the truth about politics and speaking the truth about what's behind that veil that they talked about right they just want to diminish what he says throw a video of him getting pulled over and let it fizzle off into the distance and think that he's gonna get outshined by these other people because you know Bill will actually go to the orgies and do the cocaine with the other politicians who do you want in politics the guy calling out these weirdos or the person who's it's partaking in these 70-year-old orgies while doing cocaine is just so weird to me that were in a place where it's the person speaking out about the orgies and cocaine in politics who's wrong who's being in note Guzy was having the news media go after him for saying something about it not a bunch of like news articles like who is he talking about whose heavenly orgies and if them for the in politics who's doing the cocaine bump in the bathroom will probably Nancy Pelosi was but the conversation is not that the drama around who is doing these things are why he said these things the drama is around the fact that he spoke the truth medicine Cawthorn spoke the truth about politics spoke the truth about the sexual perversion within the political spectrum in the political sphere and spoke the truth about the drug usage of the senators that are pushing for addiction correction in the United States while also doing a bump of cocaine but you know medicine cost thorns in the wrong for mentioning the truth not the you know that that the normal conversation that should come of this of like who is who are these people whose doing drugs in the bathroom of the Senate right who is who is calling Madison Cawthorn to see if he wants to come to an orgy neglect that should be the conversation can we be talking about that not the fact that he actually talked about the truth it's crazy like literally anything that you look up right now about this co-author in the a medicine conference talking about these things is a negative connotation about him speaking the truth right like other all in the group of the orgy group like their all in this group chat together talking about all ship medicine because her and spoke about our Sunday night orgies in Washington and thought that the fact that he actually talked about these things try to figure out who did it like the right news media would be going after who is the person who's doing cocaine in the bathroom of Senate or Congress that's the big story the big story is not the congressman who's talking about these people and speaking the truth about these things the big story is they are in the bathroom and that no bump of cocaine or at that person's house was a bunch of seven-year-olds have an orgy and having a heart attack when it happens like that's the story into it to see that there diminishing the truth to see that they can even combat the things that he says but yet they go after him like he's the villain for speaking the truth is disgusting absolutely disgusting so again like you've heard me say before kudos to you Madison Cawthorn first of all for not going to the seven-year-old orgy right entry can do better buddy if in fact the second of all for speaking out about these things against them shelving that video of you getting pulled over which they felt was great timing proving every statement that you said right by the way anyways so where you're going to now move on to the Hunter Biden story about the laptop now again this is resurfacing this is resurfacing again and this was like crazy crazy news coverage right this was this was the story of the year released in 2020 at the very last week of the election cycle got diminished got shadow band got eliminated off of all social media platforms became a part of their fact checker narratives that do Hunter Biden laptop was a rush of collusion right so now comes back up again now that they are did the same news media companies that were diminishing this is false information the same news media companies that were saying there was Russia in collusion that this this laptop is fake news right now the coming out because they know that it's coming to a point where this can be a legal battle hundred Biden has now been subpoenaed for this laptop finally a year after the presidency because they knew that it can be overturned at this point potentially over this collusion or maybe it's all part of the plan and now they know there to be able to put someone else in power right who knows what let's go ahead and see what Tucker Carlson has to say about this the start of this video says Tucker shreds media over HUD and Hunter Biden coverage three minutes long let's go ahead and list with them will talk about systems going on with Joe Biden's poll numbers are absolutely tanking but it seems like elements within the Democratic Party or turning on them record 10 we understand exactly what's going on here something definitely is here's an example new members very well just for the last election your post ran the story of what the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop the human story with big tech censored it immediately seen and in dozens of other former Intel officials told us that laptop was Russian disinformation there are fears that what Giuliani is now pushing here in the United States could actually be part of Russia's latest and very massive disinformation campaigns in the US presidential election so you have a president who is asking to obtain Russian disinformation knowing that that is what it is he is accepting that same information and he is then turning it and using it on the campaign trail against his his opponent and that's the mind blowing it's sort of a crazy quilt at this point which has all the hallmarks of of of Russian disinformation that said it wouldn't for lack of try CNN reported on Friday that US authorities are seeking if those emails we just talked about are connected to an ongoing Russian the disinformation effort so it turns out when the accused people of Russian disinformation are not always sincere course the wires will say where they need to say that was before you actually need to get by elected they did it but others are usually very different now telling in fact the laptop is real piercing and yesterday this is very very bad for the president signs it is an Internet station as you pointed out going back to 2018 and and right now prosecutors in Delaware where you are focusing on a number of things including whether Hunter Biden and some of his business associates violated laws including tax and money laundering laws and the foreign lobbying laws are now gaining steam and they need to make a decision I think in the at least intermediate future in this case is been going on for four years and there is a realistic chance this could result in federal charges of course then we be an unprecedented political territory not legal territory but a situation of having potentially the Justice Department prosecuting and trying to imprison the son of the president what a freak show the channel is to look to other new subscription service but now telling yeah it's all true actually and that's not the only story about Russian disinformation has fallen apart this week the Federal election commission just find the DNC and Hillary Clinton or campaign $100,000 if she determined that the Clinton campaign should hide its role in funding the steel dossier Phil dossier is the false document that claimed among many other things that President Trump elected turns out the disinformation was in fact paid for by the campaign was coming from the D&C subscribe to the fact so exactly what he just talked about there is CNN and you know all these companies that are were formally talking about being Russian disinformation about this laptop and now they're coming out and saying that although maybe it could be true now that they're going in it with you see this all the time like they they come out and say that ship though I got everything's wrong and that what what you're saying is untrue and then eventually went they know that they been backed in a corner enough that they try to salvage whatever amount of respect that they could even with the spec of respect that and they could find on the grounds of themselves left both before they lose all of their I don't know how they still have anybody who listens to them at all but they try to salvage what reputation have left with the people that they've brainwashed enough to continue to listen to them but I do and I hear right this all coming to a legal had and there is now the steel dossier and the Hillary Clinton campaign is now being find 100 and something thousand dollars over there real Russian is no disinformation campaigns they try to go against trump it in our seeing that the truth is coming out in there trying to backpedal enough to try to salvage whatever reputation they have with the brainwashed people that continue to listen to them so now we're going to look at is it rockers news and they talked about how the White House won't rule out Bidens party her pardon contact his party probably has a lot of parties I would death us judging by his laptop but trying to rule out it will not rule out Biden's pardon for son or his brother so says presidential spokesperson dodges questions about hundred Biden probe after laptop info resurfaces does the White House repeatedly refused on Friday to rule out the possibility that Pres. Joe Biden could pardon his son Hunter Biden or Brother James Barton if suspected financial crimes related to business dealings in China are proven in court despite questions from multiple journalists in the growing volume of articles on the subject it says quote that's not a hypothetical I'm going to entertain said White House news communication director Kate Bedingfield who she told a room full of journalists after she was asked whether the president had considered a pardon for his son Hunter or brother James both of whom are being investigated for financial and property impropriety put regarding a business deal with Chinese energy firm at CFC China energy which is even mentioned the Prisma situation asked about the president's continued insistence that there was nothing unethical and that joke Hunter Biden had made no money from this thing about what you are talking about China Bedingfield double down on the elder brother Biden's denial which was made over a year earlier that his son was guilty of any wrongdoing we absolutely stand by the president, and she said insisting that she did not have anything to add from this podium when the question was phrased another way Hunter Biden is currently being investigated by the Justice Department regarding a business deal he was involved in with China proof of which surfaced almost 2 years ago on the infamous laptop from hell left by back by him and the laptop repair shop in Delaware the younger Biden appeared to have raked in millions of dollars for a consulting role despite insisting the deal itself fell through in his Chinese partner in the affair was later detained in China while a handful of media outlets initially reported on the content of the laptop which included not only incriminating financial documents also more siliceous materials including images of Hunter engaged in sexual acts and drug use most major press Alex gave the pass either dismissing it as Russian propaganda without any evidence or refusing to comment on the the president in famously infamously laughed when asked about the laptop again after the election however with Biden safely in the White House mainstream outlets at from the New York Times to CNN have begun to nibble at the story acknowledging not only that the laptop along hundred by whether there are some serious problems with the business skills discussed in emails contained so will not rule out his pardon for his son's know-how in the in the world can the president pardon his own children for doing back deal shady deals with China or Russia or Ukraine which were all included in their when he was elected under the guise it in that the money came for him right he was the one that is he if he has to pardon the sons he can have to pardon his damn self because he was the reason that they even had access to these situations to begin with right the only reason that Hunter Biden and James Biden which of them heard that name really before had access to China had access to Ukraine was because they were pushing and peddling his their father's influence the vice president I stay to the time and knowingly at a strong political proponent in the United States who could get things done within the political spectrum SMEs and a lot of political spectrum political sphere political arena whatever it is right we know that the only reason they had the opportunity to to give these deals into make this money was because of their father who was elected based on this being Russian disinformation right is like two thirds of people said that it would've sway their vote on the Democratic side if the laptop was deemed true how in the world he that's the part of himself he can just pardon his sons E the department not only Hunter not only James but you thought also have to pardon himself and if he has to do that than he is not fit to be president he was being utilized by China and Ukraine and for business dealings and in that little if he recalled Ukraine's intuition but were about to dive into a little bit more of why this laptop even has a conversation around Ukraine on which even there's an article right here this is Hunter Biden emails backup Ukraine BioLab claims we know that Biden was that the only reason that they had these business deals with it in the in the in shows in Bidens herb Hunter Biden's laptop where he says that 50% of all money he makes goes to Joe goes to the big guy he talks about right we know these things and the only reason he can pardon them is because he became present and became present because of these back and shady deals that he was doing on behalf of his sons which are going to have to be pardoned because her to go to jail for peddling their father's influence was now the most influential man in the world so on that note let's go into a deep deep dive of what was actually on that laptop right no I'm to be reading this from a subsector in the sub stack is Jessica Reed Krause Jessica REE D KR AUS her sub stack she goes into a great number of detail on all of us which includes evidence of addictions affairs incest over seals overseas dealings and corrupt media coverups within under Biden's laptop so it says the Hunter Biden email cover up may not only be the most contemptible example of the modern political media's corruption but it is most probably the most demonstratably which is by the New York Post the lack of curiosity for most of the media is repellent and really corrupt I think the dam is about to burst that was by Miranda the Wien so this says in late 2020 just as the presidential election was coming to a head news of Hunter Biden's discarded laptop broke only to be quickly dismissed as a Russian hoax by nearly every major outlet in mainstream media the laptop was said to contain evidence of extreme depravity as well as emails text messages photos financial documents detailing how Hunter uses political leverage to help him and his father profit overseas and corrupt secret dealings waged with companies in Ukraine and China the extent of the scorn of the shut down by media was of course aided by big tech particularly Facebook and Twitter whose combined efforts to silence block and censor the story helps quash it as soon as it started to gain the kind of momentum that could possibly sway an election across the board was deemed dangerous misinformation TicTac going so far as to punish anyone who tried to share the news of it on Twitter by locking them out of their accounts for extended periods of time with others across the board Facebook Instagram twitter everywhere every media outlet echoed the same dismissive statements Jen Sasaki even tweeted the political story titled Hunter Biden story is Russian this info thousands of formal Intel official say in nearly every mainstream media outlet talk to the political story and ran with it now it shows the tweet says why have you seen any stories from NPR about the Newark posts Hunter by the story read more in this week's newsletter we don't want to waste our time on stories that are not really stories assessed by NPR and we don't want to waste the listeners and readers time on stories that are just pure distractions okay and downsize the Senate and Sen. Marsha Blackburn which was the same Sen. who really grilled Canton conducted what is it Ketanji Brown Jackson and the new Supreme Court justice about what is a woman if you recall that name was Senator Blackburn who tweeted Hunter Biden's laptop was always real the mainstream media and big tax silenced you for talking about it anyways the article goes on to say when I saw back then when I was allowed to see back then was the least troublesome contents of the laptop mostly images of Hunter partying in hotel with hotel Hooker slumped in the bathtub smoking a cigarette passed out in bed with a crack piping out of his mouth they were gross improve the sad state of his addiction but I didn't see anything criminal while I'm in smoking crack pits is criminal but 7.3 extent of my political allegiance by this time is lymphoid is all but anyone who is half a brain knew that this has been one of Trump's kids caught with the crack pipe the media would have pounced on it flooding us with headlines in the blue it wouldn't of been able to escape if we try why I wondered header coverage become so unbalanced and why didn't anyone I know seem to really care I spent the majority of trumps presidency listening and believing in all of the Russian collusion accusations assuming they were true because it's all we heard from reputable news sources nearly 4 years later however it was proven false I heard it was nothing for media retractions curing them of his charges charges many today still believe is true 18 months later the laptop is in the first confirmed by the same news outlets who helped Chavarria exposing the real purveyors of this information all those who failed to do their journalistic duty and investigate it any further the fact that the story was not followed up on during 2020 will go down as one of the most glaring examples of criminal tendencies embraced by modern journalists who continue to choose party ties over the quest for truth that previously defines the role in society was interesting to me because you like you hear about the way the journalist or look at surveys like you know it's looked at like this like Crimea gross job now as it should be like in it in the way that our mainstream media has looked at you know we we look at journalist and if you look back click towards the 70s and 80s like think about comic books rightly think about Marvel think about like the way that journalists were looked at like hard-nosed cigarette smoking truth defining journalists who would like go after people mortised afraid of anything and wouldn't you know chase you down in the parking lot like real James O'Keefe project Veritas style OG journalists were like where was a cool job right like boots on the ground in in a different country at figuring out the truth sit down with you know the tally band like hearing them in like putting your life on the line and now Genoa services like little sissies and Twitter saying whatever the hell you know George Soros puts down the domain streamlined effort for what they should be saying about things that's not journalism right in journalism should be about the truth like if you are a good journalist in today's society should be easily rising to the top right through sub stack through whatever it is like there there are many many different ways for you to get your messages out there in the right way and in you will eventually build an audience based on truth based on facts based on you know your personality based on the things that you say based on everything you can you can build an audience around the truth and in that's what people are hungry for people are so sick of listening to journalists who who can barely you know say anything other than the script that put in front of them in front of the TV like ever every news commentator and that's kind of why like the hill was because is not fully scripted you can see in the way that their discussions and panels ours is not scripted is not that the reading from a Teleprompter but every word literally did this by drives me nuts sometimes but that's because you know if it is just they don't have the best takes on everything all the time but their truthful takes and you can tell it from the dialogue in the way that they have these conversations so I appreciate that so it's it's decent journalism but but the way that journalists are looked at today is like they are the purveyors of disinformation they are the minister of truth right of the 1984 George Orwellian perspective they are the the Ministry of truth in everything that they say is actually a lie and so there needs to be a new wave of journalism through these like disassociated individuals on you know whether it's tick-tock platform sub stack whatever it is who come out with the truth on these things you know what there's a few that I really like to follow like somebody asked me what are what are my platforms I follow there's a few like Atlas news generally is a good one real news nobles to rebel news I follow if you like that that are really in group good boots on the ground smaller entities that tell the truth about things and incorrect themselves when the wrong because they are interested in the

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Parce que… c'est l'épisode 0x089! Préambule Shameless plug COVID-19 Les chiens de garde 16 au 18 novembre 2021 - European Cyber Week 24 au 27 novembre 2021 - Connected Week Angers 4 au 6 avril 2022 - Québec Numérique - SéQCure 2022 4 au 8 avril 2022 - Québec Numérique - Semaine numériqc Notes À venir Collaborateurs Nicolas-Loïc Fortin Anglade Perrier Crédits Montage audio par Intrasecure inc Locaux virtuels par Zoom

Arvind's Insights: Summary of his career journey Organizational debt (OD) is the result of all the decisions and actions that should have been done to ensure an organization is operating atpeak health and efficiency – but weren't. How Technical debt and organizational debt are different? What happens if OD accrues for a long term? How great organizations are dealing with OD well. Witty answers to rapid-fire questions 1 piece of advice to those aspiring to make BIG in their careers and LIVES Trivia! ABOUT Arvind Rathore: He has vast experience of handling large global programs -operating with multi vendors from diverse geographies.   He has worked with clients in the Telecom, Retail, Insurance and Banking industry in the US and in Europe.   He has been a trusted advisor and worked very closely with the C-level Management teams of Fortune 500 companies across the globe.   He is keynote speaker at many significant industry conferences.   He was ranked by YourStory as 100 Emerging Voices of 2019: and the author to watch out for in 2020   He is Certified SAFe Agilist & PRINCE2 Professional. He has key certifications like ASQ, Six Sigma Green Belt, ITIL V3 and COBIT 4.1.    He is a nominated DASA (Devops and Agile Skills Association) Influencer   Connect with ARVIND on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/arvindrathore/ Here is a chance to broadcast yourself

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Mikhael Felker, VP of Information Security joins the show this week to talk about how he has mastered the financial part of the cybersecurity practice. Mike spends time with us to talk about employment opportunities, how he kicked off his career and what he looks for when hiring new talent. Bio: Information security executive experienced in security, privacy, risk & compliance program development and execution. Diverse sector experience (High Tech/Advertising, eCommerce/Consumer Goods, Education, Healthcare, Defense, Insurance). Extensive regulatory experience in (SOX, GDPR, CCPA, PCI, HIPAA, NY DFS, etc.) and frameworks (ISO 2700X, ITIL, NIST, CoBIT, etc). Ability to explain deeply technical knowledge to broad audiences and influence stakeholders to buy-into solutions. Conference speaker (RSAC, CSA, ISACA, ISSA, ISC2, ARMA, et.al.), educator, mentor and author of 50+ publications. Note: Views and opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinion of my employer. https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikhaelf/   CISO Talk is supported by these great partners please make sure to check them out: KnowBe4: https://info.knowbe4.com/phishing-security-test-cyberhub  **** Find James Azar Host of CyberHub Podcast, CISO Talk, Goodbye Privacy, Tech Town Square, and Other Side of Cyber James on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-j-azar/ James on Parler: @realjamesazar Telegram: CyberHub Podcast Locals: https://cyberhubpodcast.locals.com ****** Sign up for our newsletter with the best of CyberHub Podcast delivered to your inbox once a month: http://bit.ly/cyberhubengage-newsletter ****** Website: https://www.cyberhubpodcast.com Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPoU8iZfKFIsJ1gk0UrvGFw Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CyberHubpodcast/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/cyberhubpodcast/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/cyberhubpodcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cyberhubpodcast Listen Here: https://linktr.ee/CISOtalk   The Hub of the Infosec Community. Our mission is to provide substantive and quality content that's more than headlines or sales pitches. We want to be a valuable source to assist those cybersecurity practitioners in their mission to keep their organizations secure.

¡Aprende SecTY!  Un marco de referencia es un texto que identifica y expone antecedentes, teorías, las regulaciones y/o los lineamientos de un proyecto de investigación, de un programa de acción o de un proceso. El marco de referencia también tiene una aplicación en instituciones, organizaciones, departamentos o áreas administrativas. Un se constituye de los documentos que establecen una base común en una organización de cualquier tipo, es decir, se refiere a los criterios y modelos que rigen los enfoques, las operaciones o las tomas de decisiones.   El NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) contiene el Marco de Ciberseguridad el cual ayuda a los negocios de todo tamaño a comprender mejor sus riesgos de ciberseguridad, administrar y reducir sus riesgos, y proteger sus redes y datos. Este Marco es voluntario. Le brinda a su negocio una reseña de las mejores prácticas para ayudarlo a decidir dónde tiene que concentrar su tiempo y su dinero en cuestiones de protección de ciberseguridad. Áreas donde el NIST recomienda aplicar la ciberseguridad: Identificación Protección Detección Respuesta Recuperación Algunos enlaces de referencia sobre los marcos de referencia: Estándares de seguridad internacional de información / ISO/IEC 27001:2013 especifica 114 controles en 14 grupos https://www.iso.org/standard/54534.html https://www.itgovernance.co.uk/blog/iso-27001-the-14-control-sets-of-annex-a-explained ITIL: https://www.axelos.com/best-practice-solutions/itil COBIT 5/ COBIT 2019: https://www.isaca.org/resources/cobit Normas de seguridad de información de Gobierno Federal de Estados Unidos / De NIST Publicación especial SP 800-53 Revisión 3. Inglés: https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/CSWP/NIST.CSWP.04162018.pdf Espanol:https://www.nist.gov/system/files/documents/2018/12/10/frameworkesmellrev_20181102mn_clean.pdf Este marco no provee nuevas funciones o categorías de ciberseguridad, sino recopila las mejores prácticas (ISO, ITU (International Telecommunication Union (ITU)), CIS, NIST, entre otros) y las agrupa según corresponda.   RECUERDA DESCARGAR el eBOOK para que obtengas los pasos esenciales para evaluar los riesgos de sistemas en tu negocio. DESCARGALO AQUÍ: àwww.sectycs.com   Síguenos en Facebook, Instagram, Twitter y LinkedIN como: @SecTYCS Búscanos en YouTube como Aprende SecTY Envíame tus preguntas o recomendaciones a: itsec@sectycs.com Deja tu reseña en iTunes/Apple Podcast y compártelo con personas que necesiten mejorar la seguridad en su negocio y en su vida. Puedes escucharnos por medio de: iTunes/Apple Podcast, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcast y YouTube.

¡Aprende SecTY!   Uno de los retos de seguridad mayores que enfrenta la gerencia en una organización es la implementación de políticas y procedimientos. Pero que es una política y porque es importante. Una política es un documento que registra un principio o curso de acción de alto nivel que se ha decidido.  Donde el propósito es influir y orientar la toma de decisiones tanto presentes como futuras para que estén en consonancia con la filosofía, los objetivos y los planes estratégicos establecidos por los equipos directivos de la empresa. De acuerdo a la perspectiva del marco de referencia de COBIT 5 y COBIT 2019, es la intención y dirección general expresada formalmente por la gerencia. Escucha porque son importantes las políticas y más detalles en este episodio.   Síguenos en Facebook, Instagram, Twitter y LinkedIN como: @SecTYCS Búscanos en YouTube como Aprende SecTY Envíame tus preguntas o recomendaciones a: itsec@sectycs.com Deja tu reseña en iTunes/Apple Podcast y compártelo con personas que necesiten mejorar la seguridad en su negocio y en su vida. Puedes escucharnos por medio de: iTunes/Apple Podcast, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcast y YouTube.

In full episode, Georges and Punit talk about privacy challenges for organizations, DPOs and small businesses. Georges shares that DPO is a catalyst, should not decide and needs to take a wholistic perspective but need not learn technology. Georges Ataya is Academic Director of IT Management Education at Solvay Brussels School of Economics and management. He is professor at the Master in Management delivering Enterprise Consulting workshop since 2006 and in charge of IT Governance from 2011. He is past International Vice President of ISACA from 2006 to 2010, past Chair of the External Relations Committee and co-founder of the Value Governance framework and the VALIT publications, directing the International Web project oversight, revamping COBIT and initiating the activities since 2002 of the IT Governance Institute. Georges acted as President of the Belux/Belgium Chapter and served in the Benelux Chapter since 1986. He is a judiciary expert since 1992. Listen to this conversation and share your comments on what you think. You can subscribe to FIT4PRIVACY podcast so that you are notified about new episodes. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/fit4privacy/message

In this episode of The FIT4PRIVACY episode, Punit Bhatia has a conversation with Georges Ataya. Georges and Punit talk about privacy challenges for organizations, DPOs and small businesses. Georges shares that DPO is a catalyst, should not decide and needs to take a wholistic perspective but need not learn technology. Georges Ataya is Academic Director of IT Management Education at Solvay Brussels School of Economics and management. He is professor at the Master in Management delivering Enterprise Consulting workshop since 2006 and in charge of IT Governance from 2011. He is past International Vice President of ISACA from 2006 to 2010, past Chair of the External Relations Committee and co-founder of the Value Governance framework and the VALIT publications, directing the International Web project oversight, revamping COBIT and initiating the activities since 2002 of the IT Governance Institute. Georges acted as President of the Belux/Belgium Chapter and served in the Benelux Chapter since 1986. He is a judiciary expert since 1992. Listen to this conversation and share your comments on what you think. You can subscribe to FIT4PRIVACY podcast so that you are notified about new episodes. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/fit4privacy/message

When it comes to being profitable, nothing beats a fine-tuned process. As I grew my agency, some 15 years ago, the first thing I looked into was a process kit by friend of the show, Jose Caballer. David Darke joins the airwaves today to tell us about his unique process to connecting with clients over at Atomic Smash. I can't emphasize this enough, having a repeatable mechanism to stay in-touch with your clients is CRITICAL. If you're doing any kind of long-term work that requires a minimum of 30-60 days, I'd argue a weekly recap call/email that ensures both parties are meeting expectations. Tune in to today's episode to find out how David and his team has executed on this in a COVID world. Please say THANK YOU to today's sponsors: Lockedown Design & SEO – If you're looking for help in local SEO for contractors, manufacturers, or anything close to that industry — give a shout to John! ElegantMarketplace.com – If you're looking for an alternative to “big box” marketplaces or looking for new opportunities outside of the .org repo — check out Elegant Marketplace! Read the transcript show more [00:00:00] David Darke: so I, co started an agency called atomic smash. We're a primarily WordPress agency. when we started out, we were a bit scattershot with kind of what we were doing and we kind of fell into using WordPress as our sort of vault content management system. And, and it really sort of took off from there.[00:00:17]we, we tried to most will not you to different things to try to Magento. We tried hold her to staff, but as soon as we started using WordPress and really kind of got into the community, it really just paid dividends for us massively. And as an agency we've grown over the last 10 years, we. Well, we first started was just two of us.[00:00:34] Now there's 14. Hopefully there'll be 15 or 16 of us by the end of the year. And here for us, just using WordPress days, day has been just really, really beneficial. I think that were all key parts of when we started with us a scattershot approach, we didn't really have a, any sort of niche or any sort of would say direction when it came to how we found our clients, the way we worked with our clients or anything.[00:00:56] And the real thing that's been. Good to us recently [00:01:00] has been, the way we work with our clients and this sort of continuous basis. yeah, and I mean, I can go on further. Do you have any questions at this point or any other bits just to roll into[00:01:10] Matt Medeiros: [00:01:10] Let's just jump right into the fire about WordPress. This is something that's fresh on my mind. I was listening to an interview from another podcast, infamous, not a famous and infamous a individual in the WordPress space, who builds a product and he's been building or press products for quite some time.[00:01:26] And he was really just, beating up. WordPress's code base, the community, the approach, and all of a sudden, and here's a guy who started early, early days selling a premium theme. and, and he's on this very popular podcast, really just saying boy, in his words, WordPress code based sucks.[00:01:44] WordPress is terrible yet you're out there making a living, selling WordPress products and. In my own Twitter feed. I see people constantly saying things like, Hey, check out this flat file, CMS, check out this jam stack thing. [00:02:00] Yeah. And I sat down the other day. I was like, let me give me, let me give one of these CMS as a trial.[00:02:04] Let me, let me try something else other than WordPress. And it was like, step one, install composer and your local dev environment. And I said, what. I don't need, where do I begin? Like then I started looking at local dev environments and then I'm down that rabbit hole and I'm back to it. Then it's like a, don't forget, you're going to have to have ploy workflow set up to publish a blog post.[00:02:23] And I'm like, I don't want this. So my question to you is, and I'm not foolish. I don't think WordPress is end all be all, but I mean, in your eyes, WordPress is. It's here to stay. Like, I, I don't think it's a, it's a bad choice and it continues to grow. I mean, obviously we're on a WordPress podcast, but what are your thoughts?[00:02:42] David Darke: [00:02:42] Yeah, no, I completely agree. I think the main parts. But WordPress has been able to do is again, around that committee. See, and even though, there are definite downsides to the way we're pressing sets up and in the way it's structured this database, there's a lot of things that could be improved.[00:02:57] And I guess we'll take a loss of [00:03:00] a huge amount of community input to get changed and, and actually iterate and, and, and do well to do to me, there's moved, but. It's really around the community and the support which you can get that really sort of sets it apart in my mind, when it comes to content management systems, we, we actually kind of have a quite solid, definitely my framework, which we use, which is, I guess, when you're just talking about composer, we actually use composer a lot with WordPress.[00:03:24] And it's a more of an advanced setup in that regard. And even the way we deploy, we deploy using a Ruby platform called Capistrano, which uses composer as well.[00:03:33] If that make sense, do some of the more enterprise level sites. But yeah. But for us, it's the real key thing to our WordPress does well, is, has a really great community. They had an experience if you manage it well, and, and you really curate that it's in process. It's really good. And it's super simple to get yourself on board.[00:03:53] Yeah. Even though people kind of struggled with Gutenberg at the start and that sort of transitioning process. You can, we can easily [00:04:00] give a Gutenberg sites to someone who's never really used the web before. And they can kind of get to grips with editing website pretty quickly. I think that's the key thing for us and the audience we're trying to, attract is the people inside businesses that aren't doing this stuff day to day, that aren't not, they're not building their own websites.[00:04:17] They just want to edit the content or websites don't want to sell the thing they're doing. They want to. Communicate with our audience. They don't want to know how the website works or sorry. They just want to use that and be able to utilize what they're doing day to day. So, so for those people is it's, it's a really valuable tool.[00:04:33] Matt Medeiros: [00:04:33] Yeah, the, the, the technical costs, the costs while, you know, while it may be seemingly high for some look, if you're selling WordPress into an organization, it's not just about tool. the CMS in that moment of time, it's, it's the decision for, you know, I guess most companies or larger organizations might be making this decision for at minimum for five years.[00:04:57] Right? So you're, you're not just selling WordPress in that moment. You're [00:05:00] selling that. WordPress site to other staff, that's going to with it. what happens when somebody in that organization leaves and somebody else comes in and they need to relearn like the resources available, the education around WordPress is so much greater than name your favorite Gatsby[00:05:15] David Darke: [00:05:15] Yeah, no.[00:05:16] Matt Medeiros: [00:05:16] don't know. I'm just throwing out words here, but like, it's just like this thing that just exists.[00:05:20] David Darke: [00:05:20] Yeah, no, exactly. And the mean from our perspective, most of the clients we've actually worked with have had some sort of WordPress prayer press site before, or they've had a personal blog or they they've had some sort of touchstone with it. It hasn't been just this sort of cold thing they just never heard of.[00:05:35] And another time again, we started about 10 years ago. At that point, it was almost like a struggle to get people to use WordPress. And, they were thinking about Drupal. They were thinking about, I don't know what a custom or they're almost expecting this bespoke things to be built for them. whereas now you have people asking for WordPress, it's kind of, the market has shifted in that regard.[00:05:56] So people have gone from worrying about it [00:06:00] as much and thinking of it as this security risk to actually demanding it for their, for their project.[00:06:05]Matt Medeiros: [00:06:05] All right. So you and I previously about, this crazy world that we live in the impact that it's had on, you know, freelancers agency life, our most importantly, customers, friends and family, and all of this fun stuff.[00:06:17] I know that you have a particular. A workflow, a certain methodology that you have to work with customers. I want to get into that and I want to get into it through this story of, of, of how you dealt with COVID. has, atomic been able to stay afloat through all this? How have you been able to support your customers through this and what changed that, you know, you're now sort of living in this new reality.[00:06:37] David Darke: [00:06:37] Yeah. I guess Cove for us was I think we're all agencies quite scary time at the very beginning. There's a lot of stress around, actually thinking about how, if we need to, to adapt and change. And almost our first reaction was just in the first couple of weeks was essentially just testing the waters with some different things we looked at possibly even like how we might.[00:06:56] Adapts into doing more hosting for example, but the real key thing, [00:07:00] the way we work sort of day to day, which is kind of been really good for us is the level of support or contracts we have. We CA we actually call them continuous iteration contracts. and for us, We have a really high involvement with the clients that we work with.[00:07:19] We don't work with massive, massive companies, but the companies that we do work for, they really see us as a, it's almost like their digital team almost, and we're embedded in their processes in their, in their workflows and all those things. So when, when COBIT hit, it was obviously quite a, sort of a worrying time, but.[00:07:37] Definitely found that the companies that we did work with, they can maintains their, their sort of continuous contracts. and when I say we work with them on that sort of basis, we're working almost 10 days a month with some of our clients to constantly change their site, to constantly improve and constantly update them.[00:07:52] And we base our whole scheduling. Around that. So we, the idea of our clients are buying a set amount of time a month and they're getting that amount [00:08:00] of time. There's no, really any overspend from our point of view, we're never over delivering on that, on that side of side. So it really, yeah, he is quite an effective and profitable way of, of, of sort of divvying up time.[00:08:10] And because of that, it was quite predictable. And how much work. Still wanted as long as, as long as the clients actually had the appetite for it. Some of those contracts reduced down in time, but have now been brought back up. So again, it was just sort of compensating internally for, for how we actually, spend that time.[00:08:27] But I feel like if we were just a regular agency just going between project to project, to project and not having this sort of after service, like high level of our service afterwards, it would have been very challenging for us because most of those projects would have just halted. Just because of, in communication with teams that have been furloughed or just teams that have other things on that plates, they, they, they've got to deal with covert themselves and they've got the whole, the other process changes have to worry about.[00:08:54] So, so for us, that was. Super valuable, having this sort of backlog of stuff [00:09:00] we could be working for still billing our clients still sort of tackling the, the challenges start optimizing doing all this stuff. And it was less of a worry for us. And in fact, we've, in this time we've been able to grow. We've actually had to get another two people to help manage sort of the work and the actual structure of how we are.[00:09:17] We divvy up the time, for example, just because that's been fairly consistent, we kind of fell into this sort of way of working. Maybe about four or five years ago where we kind of were, we're working with a couple of clients that they just needed. Someone to sort of take the weight off their shoulders for their websites.[00:09:35] They really just, they had other stuff to do in their businesses. They had other, other activities. Even just generic marketing stuff, they wanted to just not worry about the website. So we offered simple stuff, like, obviously do all the WordPress updates, server updates, all the sort of technical side of things, but we really started bundling in other stuff.[00:09:53] Like how could you, Nicole optimizing your as an editor. Sales, pipelines or even just [00:10:00] page speed. that's an ongoing task in our mind. Websites are never really finished, so there's always a task to be done. If you're willing to let your site grow. And, and for us, it's been real key. The idea of if you're just changing your sites slightly over longer period of time, you don't have this massive update every two, three, four years where you're having to drop, HUD tens of thousands of dollars or pounds.[00:10:27] If there's a small changes consistently, and you can evolve your site in a really smooth and methodical way without these massive lumpy bills, maybe like three years, for example,[00:10:39] Matt Medeiros: [00:10:39] Yeah. Yeah. That's a fantastic way to, because that's in fact what, what a lot of people, a lot of agencies and consultants, they actually bank on that. It's just like, Hey, in three years, revisit this, you know, and maybe we'll, we'll knock on that customer's door and say, Hey, it's been three years.[00:10:52] Like, what do you want to do? But in, in your approach, it's, Hey, we're, we're constantly doing something. Even if it's the smallest of changes, [00:11:00] just keep, the connection made with the customer. But also it's a, it's a great. Cost savings instead of just doing this all at you know, we we'll just do this in iterations too bad.[00:11:07] You can't do that with your house. Right. So that expanding your house, like every, every so often, like I'm going to build another room now and just like next year, we'll build another room off the side. I guess you[00:11:14] David Darke: [00:11:14] Yeah. Yeah, no, I definitely agree. I think we should do more stuff. I think for us, the key thing of, in three years time with the same client, you've got no guarantee that you're even talking to the same manager or the same person who you were talking to initially, when you actually, did the first site force.[00:11:31] There's no guarantee you'd even get that work in three years time. Cause they might just. even some, some companies, especially in a more sort of third sector sort of organization, they, they might require to actually go to tender for other stuff. So there's zero guarantee. And, and even, if you can basically skip that step and then we've been able to evolve our site over this time, this yeah.[00:11:50] Need for that procurement process, because you've updated the site, would their requirements over that time. Anyway. So is it. Definite change. And it's also, [00:12:00] it needs a lot of work work in the way of communication. That's a lot of the time, which we, which again, it's been that sort of struggle of going from a two person agency to having the balls to actually say right.[00:12:11] We actually need to charge for our time. Effectively, and we need to charge for the time we're communicating with you. This isn't just like a luxury. We're not just, we don't talk and then just charge for the moment which we're charging for these communication time. We're charging for the meetings and all those sort of things and, and our assure ideation side of stuff.[00:12:29] And that, that definitely takes a lot of, it's a bravery when you're a small agency to really. Please afford and say, you have to pay for our time we're experts and you have to trust us and, pay for pay for our time. And then when you get to that stage of being able to, actually really communicate with the clients directly, actually scheduling in the time.[00:12:52] So it's effective, the way you work with us every month, every other week, some of our clients, we talk to every single week. It just [00:13:00] has a bit of an overhead when it comes to actually the scheduling side and just, just, being a developer or being a website designer, the deputy has a mental toll of switching between projects and constantly communicating with clients.[00:13:11] So. There's a lot of things to work out and sort of iron out when it comes to working out a good schedule for these things. But if you're willing to put in the time of, and the level of communication with clients, they really love it. And they really just, they almost think of you as a partner, then you're not just this sort of ephemeral team of people hold somewhere over there.[00:13:30] That kind of look after your website. Basically, when they've got a new channel, you mentioned they come straight to you and you're part of the solution as well.[00:13:38] Matt Medeiros: [00:13:38] A lot of people that are starting out in, you know, they started a consultant, you know, and I'll raise my hand guilty as charged. You start out as a solo consultant, you kind of grow your business over time. Maybe you partner up with somebody, you bring on some, a small team of people. And a lot of people hear like yours, or, you know, listen to this podcast and other podcasts.[00:13:54] Well, how did you charge $10,000 for a website? How did you charge $50,000 for how did you charge a hundred thousand [00:14:00] dollars for a website? And that's. that's like, you know, the interesting question. It's not the right question to me. The right question is how did you find that customer? How did you attract that customer who was pay, that much money?[00:14:14] You remember somewhere along the timeline? atomic, agency of when you started to hit the right cadence of finding the right customer, I'm sure it's probably not an easy answer. I'm probably sure. It's like riding a bike. You fell over a thousand times and then you balance. it's very much like product development to you.[00:14:32] You launch something, it doesn't work, you change it. And then it works. When did you start hitting the right customer?[00:14:37] David Darke: [00:14:37] I think for us, it was really just the case of. The asking the right questions at the start. realistically, we actually turned down a good number of projects for us. The projects have to work for us as well as, as well as the clients. this is, we definitely want to go in this as a two way relationship.[00:14:53] It's not just, they're throwing us work. We're doing it. And billing them is a two way relationship. So. Actually getting [00:15:00] a bit of a structure around the questions you ask. And even in the first emails, someone fires you an email about possible new website, possibly projects asking the right questions at that point, abounds, what's the size of their marketing team?[00:15:12] How much effort are they willing to spend on the website? if you're going to do a meeting every week, like, are they willing to actually put in the time, every week to have that meeting? it's all good, you being there, but if they're not there as well, then there's no point in doing it. So if you.[00:15:26] Almost can create this sort of questions and think about the people you want to work with. And it is a really, it's a challenging thing is also, it takes a lot of, almost a bravery. That's kinda the wrong word, but just stubborn. This statute actually really just. Be able to turn down the people that aren't quite right.[00:15:45] And we definitely had clients, which probably haven't been right for us. It's very stars and we kind of needed the money. We needed the revenue to keep the agency going or just to pay the bills, et cetera, et cetera. But as soon as you kind of get the, the, the clients that you [00:16:00] want and you have a good way of growing smoothly, it kind of solves itself in that regard because you're not taking on the clients that you don't need.[00:16:07] Obviously there's always. Challenges around what happens if you can't find the clients in XYZ ed, really for us, because we've got this maintenance, sort of mentality to, to how we work and the mounts we're billing them out. We pay our staff, the mounts, we have in offices, all that sort of stuff.[00:16:26] We kind of have a bit of a buffer when it comes to those things. In theory, we could lose one or two maintenance contracts before there'd be big impacts. We haven't really lost any clients. I've lost one of those things that it's, it's just, it is there's that sort of careful planning and. Again, there's a lot of challenges in there.[00:16:45] Even when it comes to the level of work you have to do before you get to that sort of critical mass of, of being able to work in an, a, in a comfortable way that isn't stressed or strained or no late nights and, and all that sort of stuff, all that's kind of [00:17:00] behind us now in regards to we have quite good.[00:17:02] we have really good culture, but when it comes to the amount of people expected to work late and all that stuff, that's kind of out of the window, people work a regular sort of nine to five, and it really just is a case of, being structured. Be careful. And just getting, just asking the clients the right questions at the start, I think is a key to that.[00:17:21] Matt Medeiros: [00:17:21] W what's your thought on? I know a lot of people. Again, this is probably just my own bias. Well, my own Twitter bias, just seeing what's happening in like in Twitter streams listening to, you know, it's other prolific designers, developers, agency owners, who are like, Oh, you can never discount your stuff.[00:17:35] Like never your stuff. You know, charge value, charge as much as you can, et cetera, et cetera. Those of us coming up in the space, it to me like. If you want to achieve a certain type of customer and follow a certain set of policies, somebody wanted to copy exactly what you did, but they've, they don't have the portfolio up their, you know, their, their talk. They don't have, you know, the clients, [00:18:00] et cetera, et cetera. I don't see it being bad to say. Hey, mrs. Customer look, normally I would charge you $10,000 for this project, but we're going to remove, or I'm going to, I'm going to sell it to you for a half. Here's all the things I would normally do in this process.[00:18:17] We're not going to do I just want to let you know, this is how I would normally operate like these like milestones. We have to hit these meetings. We have to do like still being able to present it. If even if you're not ready to charge for it yet. the customer doesn't have it there, but you set those boundaries to say, look in a perfect project.[00:18:36] If here's how I operate. I do all these things. If you don't, if you can't adhere to this, if you don't have the money for it, we'll take this off the table. But this is, this is the way we would want to operate. I mean, is that a fair way to do it? Is, is there a better strategy other than just like crossing your fingers and hoping to get to the next[00:18:53] David Darke: [00:18:53] Yeah, no, I completely get it. And, and from my perspective, we're kind of even, we're, we're not massive agency. [00:19:00] We're, Bristol relatively small, but we'd still do that regularly. It's not a case of, we're not discounting. The amount we charge, but we just delivering less. So, so for us, we have this a more phased approach.[00:19:11] So most of the time with, with the websites, it's very hard to get an MVP, like a minimum viable product from websites. It's like, kind of has to be almost perfect to be, kind of usable, you can't just, yeah. The half designed website or half bill website, it would just, won't be, it won't be accessible for our clients, but if you can start to chunk up some of these features, like maybe the way that.[00:19:33] The products are sold or the types of subscriptions you're selling and all those things. If you can, it's down to features which might be done in the future. That's kind of how we sort of tackle maybe projects that have slightly smaller budget or clients who just want everything thing for no money. that's the real thing, that's a bit of a red flag when they have an expectation where they should be able to get everything for almost no money.[00:19:53] That's for one, that's a red flag, but sometimes. These clients might not actually know how much stuff costs and you just have to really frame. Right. [00:20:00] Right. Actually adding subscriptions to your website is an incredibly laborious task. it's not just the actual mechanism of taking subscriptions or the payment gateways or the automated emailing.[00:20:09] It's all of every X, all that stuff. They might even realize how difficult something is. They might just ask for it. So. Communicating with clients, making them understand how different well, something is to attain, chunking out features, getting a bit of a release schedule for the actual site in a long term is a better way of how we sort of tackle those things for the clients that might have, have either smaller budgets or just, I just have massive yeah.[00:20:33] Expectations, what they want for the budgets they have. So, yeah, I would definitely say don't undersell yourself in regards to like having your day rate or those are the things it's just reducing what you're doing. And we have definitely done that with reduced day rates in the past, but. Then there's becomes really difficult conversations two years down the line.[00:20:52] When you go to just add something small to the site, and then they get shocked by the bill because you charge them X, Y, Z, two years ago. So [00:21:00] being upfront about how much stuff costs is this key there's one. our UX designer uses a tool called a Moscow document. Have you heard of that?[00:21:08] Matt Medeiros: [00:21:08] No, I[00:21:09] David Darke: [00:21:09] No, it it's a document where you basically specify the must should, could won't and I think I said words, let me just like, let me just think is must, should, could, and won't so that's what it is.[00:21:23]and that really breaks down every near full wishlist of what's available. And that really helps you. Sort of divvy up, what's possible in this, in this round. And then you can isolate stuff for the future that could be in another phase. And that's a very clear, granular way of getting to what is then feasible for you to deliver in a budget.[00:21:44] Matt Medeiros: [00:21:44] Yeah. know, I want to tell a quick story and then you tell me if this is something you've ever had, you've ever to do. first, one thing I do want to say to that on that regard is look, there's a lot of people out there who. Who are trying to do all of this as efficient, as [00:22:00] possible, as streamlined as possible.[00:22:02] You know, there's, there's a, there's a lot of good know, automating having people fill out forms and get all the details before you even get phone, have a minimum on your quote request form that says, look, if you're not. Ready to spend $5,000 or more than we're not a good fit.[00:22:18] I look, I've done that. I've done that 15,000 different yeah. Ways at the end of the day. If you just had a one hour session with somebody. 30 minutes. One hour, one hour is generally really where I feel is the best. And you just talk to them and you really find out whether or not you want to work with them.[00:22:37] David Darke: [00:22:37] Hundred percent. Yeah.[00:22:38] Matt Medeiros: [00:22:38] Gets good. It's going to save you so much time in the future. A lot of people are like, Oh, free consultation for an hour. Let me tell you something. It's going to save you in the[00:22:47] David Darke: [00:22:47] Yeah, a hundred percent.[00:22:49] Matt Medeiros: [00:22:49] learn what you're[00:22:50] David Darke: [00:22:50] Yeah, no. And I think the key parts of this is, and especially with the tummy smash in, in general, we're very open about our process. And if [00:23:00] people want to ask us questions, we're very, very willing to answer them and will very willing to give away our tech stack and all that stuff.[00:23:07] We're not precious about any of that stuff. So if a client's, wanted to talk through an idea, we're very willing to do it. And like you say, it's a case of. you're spending an hour of your time. Your time is valuable, but the amount that you can get out of just the small, short conversations is incredible when it comes to, the, where they actually work out with the clients, right.[00:23:27] For you, or whether they're, whether your right for them as well, but also just the cause a lot of people don't, aren't willing to do it. They'll you'll just resonate in their mind for a long time around, this person was super helpful. It could be three years down the line where they are.[00:23:43] They get onto another project, they get employed by someone else, or they have another challenge. They need to sort, you'll just be at the forefront of their mind when it comes to that person was super useful at a time. Let's let's talk something again. So I think for us, like you're saying, being super communicative for [00:24:00] the runs about people's requirements, talking to clients, and we don't really do much in the way call pitching, but when we really have to do it, or we really want to projects, we will just try and meet the clients face to face if we can, if we have to travel or whatever, just so we can get that, I, to I and real communication done, because it is it's super valuable.[00:24:23] Matt Medeiros: [00:24:23] What about firing clients you know, at, my agency helping out there with a that that came through the door, it was this high end, you know, I don't want to say high end. It was a notable customer in our local market. Looked like a lucrative project from the beginning, lucrative in the sense of like, look we knew, we felt like it was going to be you know, that it looked like things were going to be fairly efficient. It was partnering up with another design agency. So this, our agency would only be doing development. And man did that go South quickly? We quickly learned like this, certainly this wasn't even [00:25:00] the project. We spent that first hour talking about it.[00:25:04] We quickly realized this is this wasn't even what we discussed. And we, you know, We sat and we bared it out for a little bit and we started doing the deliverables that they were asking for. And it was just too many different changes, expectations on our side, changed dramatically to the point where we said, you know, what a difference professional opinions on how this project should move forward.[00:25:25] I think we should like, you know, and everyone actually kind of agreed because there was just so much tension. Every time we, we got on phone calls. Thoughts on firing clients when to[00:25:37] David Darke: [00:25:37] Yeah, no, definitely. We have done. And especially, cause they're going back to almost those sort of comments at the start regarding about having your day rates and say, are saying we've done those sorts of things. We reduced our day rate in particular instances. And we've got to the point now where we have to have a certain day rate because it's not affordable for us to have a lower day rate.[00:25:54] So sometimes communicating with those clients and actually coming to them with a newer more. [00:26:00] Realistic day rate. They're not willing to pay it. So you're in a bit of a sort of difficult situation there where they want work doing, but you're too expensive and that's just a natural break at that point.[00:26:11] But when it comes to us, sort of moving on, we'd just be super helpful as possible. Try not to burn any bridges or do anything in that regard. Just, just really be. That's proactive and helpful, even though in theory, it's a lost client, not going to get anything from them, just being as approachable. And that's helpful even with the person you're handing the stuff off to just be as helpful as possible.[00:26:34] That's what we really try and do. Again, it hasn't happened that much, but it's definitely happened in the last two, three years where we just needed. it just wasn't either right clients, some we took on when we were a lot smaller. The ratio was slightly different. They had a different expectation of how much we could deliver in a timeframe or, it's very, it's very likely that's going to happen in the lifespan of an agency.[00:26:57] It'd be very rare for that not to happen. So [00:27:00] I think as long as you approach a lot of those community, sort of, now there's talks and a lot of that communication around it is with as much grace and as much. positivity as possible, even though it's a breaking of relationship, I think it would just pay dividends again for the future.[00:27:14] And. Again, when you're handing off to that other developer and you're respectful of their time and, and what you're giving to them as well. People notice that stuff they really do. And, and if you need a partnership in the future, they might be the people that actually, Oh, I remember working with them or we got this project that was really well set up and really well built.[00:27:33] Maybe we could use them as a supplier, all that sort of stuff. It just not burning. Bridges is a key to a lot of those things.[00:27:41] Matt Medeiros: [00:27:41] yeah, Sort of final question here for folks who are again, looking to grow their consultancy or their where do you see opportunity in the WordPress space? I'll start it where I think, there's a lot of opportunities still. for me, it's, it's still blue commerce, right?[00:27:57] I still think launching WooCommerce, [00:28:00] still the sleeper in the industry. That there, that there's still a lot of opportunity in that space. A lot of opportunity to specialize in space. and it's, you know, going to be hopefully. And you can speak on this better than I can.[00:28:11] Hopefully it's a type of customer that is willing to see value in, building out, you know, an eCommerce store or having a better solution, not just a mom and pop restaurant. This is an eCommerce store. That's going to be earning you money. That's where I see opportunity. I don't know what about you. You don't have to give away your[00:28:27] David Darke: [00:28:27] No, no, no. Again, I, again, really just around the secret sauce thing, we don't really, we're very willing to give away that stuff. that for us, it is our sort of perfect client and this could be a WooCommerce store. This could be a work, just their website, their sales platform. It. It just needs, they need to know, realize the actual potential of, of what their website can be.[00:28:49] And it's not just this brochure. It is a platform they can use to generate money for them. And it's the thing. That's there 24 hours a day. Like this is the basic setting picture wall [00:29:00] website could be, but it really is a case of if they notice the value and they know the value of their websites. And they they're willing to invest in it.[00:29:09] That's the, that's the sort of niche of, of where, where we've kind of landed, is finding those clients there, understand that websites are never finished. They need evolving to stay on top. They understand that, right? This is almost equivalent. And especially if you're a shop, this is almost equivalent to having a physical shop.[00:29:26] You have to be willing to pay rent and you have to be willing to, to work out how you. Manage your stock, all that sort of stuff is part and parcel for only website. It's not just you launch your thing is then sits online for free. And then you can just generate a load of money. It needs maintenance, it needs optimizing.[00:29:42] And that's where I really see a lot of the, for us the value in our, in our clients and where we are. As you got more of that sort of security from is fine. There's clients that just don't understand the value of the website and are willing to invest back in it. And some of these people have been membership sites that are [00:30:00] getting a recurring revenue, and that becomes far easier when you've got, a number at the end of the month.[00:30:04] You're definitely getting in every single month they can say, right, we're going to put 20%, 10%, 30%, whatever, back into the website to then keep it growing. And that becomes a. Conversation, you can have rounds. You can actually see the budgets that are available for you and all that stuff. That's what transparency is really healthy and optimization is a real thing for us.[00:30:25] And, like we paid speed or getting sales, or there's amazing tools out there. There's one which we use quite regularly called Metorik, which is a, sales aggregator for WooCommerce specifically. I think they're just about to get Shopify released as well, but. That's amazing at producing sales reports, finding out what's what's working well on your own.[00:30:44] Your store has a bit of an AI component for forecasting, all that sort of stuff. Bungling, utilizing a tool like that for us takes hardly any time to install. It sets up. It's not that much a month, but we help digest the information and, and, and help our clients use that [00:31:00] information to get more efficiencies back in their site.[00:31:06] Matt Medeiros: [00:31:06] He's David dark. His website is atomic smash.co.uk. The Twitter handle at atomic smashes that actually a photo of[00:31:15] David Darke: [00:31:15] Yeah, it is. Yeah. Yeah,[00:31:17] Matt Medeiros: [00:31:17] Okay. Not just[00:31:18] David Darke: [00:31:18] no, no, no, no. I think that is me in the middle, I think. Yeah.[00:31:26] Matt Medeiros: [00:31:26] that's awesome stuff. Working folks who, aside from the website, atomic smashed.co.uk, where can folks find[00:31:31] David Darke: [00:31:31] Really just Twitter. Just, yeah, I'm on Twitter, David underscore dark and that's dark with an E on the end, but yeah, just, just say hello on the, on the Twitter. That'd be great. Just to reach out just, yeah, that'd be fantastic.[00:31:44] Matt Medeiros: [00:31:44] Everybody else's mattreport.com. mattreport.com/subscribe. Join that mailing list. Leave us a five star review on iTunes. Really helps us get found. We are the number one rated podcast for WordPress in the U S you know, I get to switch my iTunes account to London. See what happens. I don't know. I don't know what my ratings are in the [00:32:00] UK, but maybe we can, we can help over there as well.[00:32:03] Thanks for listening everybody. We'll see you in the next episode. show less ★ Support this podcast ★

Hey, welcome. Thanks for hanging out with us. This is the it and the D show. We are broadcasting live from our homes and from the bar. Um, this is Bob, the sales guy, Dave, the geek, uh, Randy, I do the Twitters is doing the Twitters, uh, guests this week include, we got the Mikey from the old shillelagh downtown, and we got August in the house, old friend from whiskey in the jar and Hamtramck. We’re going to be talking about life behind the bar, and now that things are slowly opening up. And then also we’ve got a ton of stories going on. We’ve got his big boys gone forever. We’re running out of pennies and Dave, you may fire when ready? Wait, wait. I don’t think we can get started until I get some shredded cheese for my fajitas. Oh, good Lord.       Alright, go ahead, Bob. Hey, welcome. What is going on? This is the it and the d show. Can we still call it the it in the d show, we got to rename it. And at some point, Judy, Bob did, I’ve been, I’ve been lobbying for two and a half geeks for four years now. Can you still be Dave? I don’t know. We’ll figure that out later. This is episode three 54. We are broadcasting live from either our quarantine homes or the bars in one of them in Hamtramck. This is Bob, the sales guy that is Dave. The geek Randy. I do the Twitters is doing the Twitter. You can find us online at [inaudible] dot com. Give us a like on the socials and subscribe to us everywhere. Fine podcasts are sold. We, uh, and again, we’ve talked about this before. Uh, we are, uh, Lee, we’re leaving events out, uh, until August, no pun intended. Uh, and we’ll, we’ll be bringing them back then. We’ll do something outside and yeah. So that’s, that’s the update there. So yeah. Hey, just like we just introduced earlier, we have two illustrious guests, friends of ours for very, very long time. Both of them bartenders, we kind of want to do, uh, discuss, um, what life was like a behind the bar. We, we, you know, a few of us have been to the bar, but, uh, joining us is, uh, Mikey from the old Shalala downtown Detroit, sir. How have you been, haven’t seen you in awhile? Uh, I’ve been well, man, uh, just getting used to this non quarantine stuff and living the life and working, uh, dealing with all of the wonderful public. And then now this is a, it’s actually a first for the show. We’ve been doing this for what? Seven years. We haven’t had anyone ever calling live from the bar. August gets legs in the house. I mean, we’ve, we’ve done live broadcasts from bars, but we got August in the house. He is actually tending bar right now at whiskey and a jar down in Hamtramck, sir. How you doing? You’re on mute bud August. I’m actually not working tonight, but I figured it’d be fun to come here and show you just exactly what we’re looking at These days at afar in Hamtramck. Uh, ms. Katie is pretty much by herself with a few people outside, a couple of regulars. And that’s about the state of the world down here. Yeah. So odd. I’ll start things off with you like life behind the bar. Like, so I started trickling into a few bars. I live out everyone, you know, I live on Rochester Hills, Auburn Hills, um, the bars out here pretty much business as usual. Um, a couple of them took out a couple of tables. Most of them like the open air ones in Rochester Hills are still the same. Dave was telling stories about going to, uh, with down a Cass corridor. They haven’t set up like a, like a seven mile gas station with a plastic barricades and little, little windows. So some people are taking it to huge extreme, some people aren’t, I guess what’s your take on, I guess, the new normal behind the bar? Well, it really depends on where you are. Like I went up to a bar in McComb County last week. I walked in and right walked right the hell out. Any place where you can buy beer by the bucket seems to not be following any protocols. There was no hand sanitizer around the same amount of bar stools. They might have tables. They don’t mind everyday. You come down here. Everyone’s pretty much following the rules. I walked into a place downtown, half the bar, stools, half the tables. It’s all about your local enforcement. And I understand that different areas, the city feel different political views about what’s going on, but behind the bar, it’s very bartender driven. We take the bar stools away and then by, you know, one 30 in the morning, there’s a few of them have found their way back up to the bar and just kind of deal with your friends and try to keep them, you know, the wear their masks when they’re ordering. So Katie Palona Sera is working, does not tolerate that. She’s only tolerating it because it’s me. I guess that was the, this reminds me a lot of when smoking got banned originally, there was, there was a hard line. There was not any, Oh, I’ll just lay it up. No one on mine. No, it was, it was, there was no middle. It was, it was off. Right. You’re you’re going to go outside and you’re going to smoke with this. It seems like there’s this weird yet? Depends on the bar. I was like, well, yeah. I mean, well, and let’s be real with the smoking thing. It really kind of dependent on where you were. Um, you know, a lot of the bars on the East side, you know, put the tip jar out and just said, Hey, throw some cash in. So if they come in and find us, we got it covered. Oh Jesus. Yeah. I kind of remember those days. It’s still a bar down here. It still exists. So I guess Mikey bringing you in old [inaudible] it’s one of the, uh, you know, I would say top 10 oldest bars in Detroit, at least from, from my standpoint, it’s one of the, one of the mainstays, um, I guess what’s life like behind the bar by you are obviously things are different, but like, Well, and keep in mind, Shalala closed literally right before st. Patrick’s day, which, you know what, you know, that, that kind of like bank rolls your year. Yeah. St. Patrick’s day and opening day. Yeah. That’s huge chunk for us. Um, bartenders are basically, uh, turned into cocktail servers right now. Uh, we’re taking care of all of the tables and stuff. Uh, we, it wasn’t until this weekend we allowed people to come to the bar, but there’s like, we set up four tables, uh, going long ways. So not out to the bar, just like connect to the bar. So people still can’t pass those tables to order. Um, they have to stand at one of those tables and you can congregate four or five people tops there and you have to stay at that table. And or when you’re at any other table, you have to be at those tables. We actually have a really good friends in the park, right guys, the guys that own the parking lot behind us, we’ve been dealing with the Aubrey’s for years. Like ever since, you know, my dad was working downtown and stuff. And so they are, uh, being very nice and generous and letting us finagle and see how, what works for us as far as extending our outside patio into a, the parking lot to therefore put more tables and get better business in. But it’s the same, it’s the same thing, man. People are going to do what people are going to do. And the fact that people have to be told four or five times to put their mask on when they’re walking around, uh, people have to be told that, look, I get it. There’s a DJ here, but the PJ’s here so it can provide different sounds. So we’re not just listening to Pandora, a full song. That could be a good, a good vibe going on. But So we’re not listening to Bob and Dave take over the jukebox. Yeah. But there’s still no dance. Right, right. Worse than both of us combined. True. That’s true. I get very there’s you guys look, man, I’m pretty sure the T and it stands for touched. That’s what it is. It’s it’s a MIT in the D that’s. Yeah. It’s the AMI Am. I Just wrote, Mike wrote our Alma mater Kudos to you, sir. That’s what I do. Um, but yeah, so people are like, you know, doing the dance floor thing and it’s like, the DJ literally stopped and said, Hey, move. There’s like eight feet here. And for some reason, 10 of you want to crowd into it to start dancing. When we don’t have a dance floor, he has stopped it. He put, he has put on Miley Cyrus, uh, to cause that no one dances to Miley Cyrus. Right. Um, Randy does, Randy doesn’t even do. Randy’s like, okay, wrecking ball. Got it. Got go In. The USA is not terrible. Is here. Welcome to episode three 54 beat on Randy. That’s going to be the title of visit. That’s nothing bad for him. I didn’t, I didn’t say off. I said on, I was thinking, but yeah. So people were still coming up to the bar. We had to say, get back six feet. We’re not going to serve you. We’re apparently the problem because we’re enforcing rules. Uh, you know, we have to be like, we’re not the governor. We didn’t set these rules up. We just have to follow them. Uh, you know, I, I commend what, uh, the Shalala has done. You know, even the health departments come in and said, didn’t have to tell us to move anything. They just were like, just put a couple more signs up. You know what I’m saying? So add a little bit more six feet, add a little bit more of this. Um, but it doesn’t matter what we do because the customers are just doing whatever they want to do. And it’s impacting us, which is a problem. Like not the business, but like the staff, like we stay away from. Right. Like I, yes, I’ve had COVID-19 but nobody knows specifically what happens anymore. Right. I could still get it again. There’s reports now saying that the immunities, the antibodies don’t last very long. It lasts a couple months. Well, guess what I had at st. Patrick’s day that’s two or three months, these antibodies aren’t protecting, I’m not guaranteeing, they’re protecting me from anything. I just, just help people out, man. But they don’t care. And because they don’t care, you’ve seen things like in the temple bar, in Detroit, which, I mean, they shouldn’t have been doing that anyway. A Mexican Fiesta out in Dearborn just went back down to, uh, only carry out orders because they’re like, you guys are acting like assholes to our staff. And while we’re the cleanliness of everything is a priority. Now the safety of our staff has to be a top priority. So we’re going to have to say, get away. And Mexican Fiesta is amazing. August, August. I wanted to bring in on that too. Like that’s the one thing I keep hearing is people being bundles and it’s like, yeah, I get it. You’ve been cropped up. Yeah. I get it. You’re excited about being out what it’s like, you should be so excited about coming out, like, okay, what do you need me to do to be out cool. I got it. I’m done. Like when I’ve gone out, I’ve made sure I’ve followed the, you don’t follow whatever the guidelines are, the place you’re going to. It’s not that hard friend Michelle’s still is not comfortable eating indoors or being indoors at a bar at all. We had reservations for eight o’clock on Friday, down at the Monarch to sit outside and she canceled them because it was supposed to rain and she wasn’t gonna eat it inside. I get it. Everyone has their different comfort levels. But then look at what happened in East Lansing. One clown shows up at Harper’s 62 people get sick and now 30 people and girls point all tied to the same spot. The number was 85. Yeah. Cause they all went back to a bonfire afterwards and hung out yet. Yeah. And now it just hit the news that, uh, fifth Avenue and we’re alone, three people that tested positive were in there, you know, on the 19th of June. So any surprised, So, yeah, so here’s my question. And this is actually one of the stories that I shot across for us to yak about, but I haven’t you guys here. Uh, so Imperial, uh, in Ferndale, uh, said they shut down, uh, because they got an anonymous phone call from someone, uh, that said they were in the restaurant a couple of days earlier and they were COVID positive. So like, is that the new, like one star Yelp review slash swatting where like, even if that’s not true, you call a place and say that, and you know, you’re basically shutting them down. Like you are shutting them down and forcing them to go through a deep, clean, and being a major inconvenient pain in the ass That, that joke has already run through all the sports talk radio about how these different teams are going to suddenly try to open up and play sports again. And the anonymous calls it. So and so really tested positive and they’re baking. It is going to shut down basketball or baseball or football, shut down a bar As bartenders. Are you both kicking out people who aren’t complying with rules or, Um, I have not had a problem where someone completely refused or didn’t have a mask with them. Uh, there’s always, someone will walk in off the patio without it. That guy will be like, dude. Oh, okay. And they’ll throw it back on. Uh, and I’ve not had that confrontation that I am dreading. Cause I know what’s coming next. I mean, I’m not gonna lie. I went to that’s by my house and it’s the middle of suburbia, not one person who had one on. Yeah. That’s what I noticed in McComb County, the servers and the staff had them, the customers gave them. No, no. Yeah. We’re the same way. Uh we’ve actually, we have boxes of masks. So if you don’t have a mask, when you come to the bar to come in, we’ll provide you with mat. I mean, if it’s like a group of like 10 people were eventually just be like, no, because obviously you haven’t had a mask this entire time, but we’re not, you know, if one or two people or like a dude’s mask broke while he was walking through the entrance and we gave him another mask, but it’s not so much that people are refusing to comply. It’s it’s like, again, it’s like you’re telling a five-year-old four or five times to do the exact same thing, you know? And, and that’s, and that’s the problem is I sh I’m not telling a four year, five year olds do the same thing, four or five times, I’m telling a 35 year old the same thing to do four or five times innovation. You gotta realize that it’s not just about you and your, this business could be, could take a, hit. The staff could take a hit. I mean, and look, the first weekend I was back, people were assholes and I’m talking about money-wise like, which is crazy to me. But the second and third week that I was back, people were amazing. Right. They shouldn’t have been loaded when they came back, man. Like you would think so. Right. But again, let’s not pretend like everyone’s gotten their unemployment check. So, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s a weird dynamic. I appreciate I’m the same way I was his girlfriend, same thing, same way. I don’t feel comfortable going out that much. Uh, I’ve gone, uh, eaten in downtown Royal Oak and I sat on a patio. Uh, I’ve walked around a couple places, you know, and that’s, that’s about it, man. Like I haven’t even, I went out the first night the bars were, uh, the Shalala was open and I really only went out to look and see what I was walking into on a scouting run. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I was like, then a friend was like, Hey, I’m down, down at pappies we’re sitting on the patio, come on out. And I was like, well, if you’re on the petty, you know, and, and, and that’s what it is. There’s a comfort level to everyone. And just because you, uh, your source of information tells you that whatever you’re doing is not necessary, that’s fine. And I’m not saying that you’re wrong for that. What I’m saying is you’re wrong for selling someone or making someone else feel like their source of information is wrong. So they have to follow your way. And I w what’s the worst that can happen. That you, when you wear a mask, do you find out you were right anyway, but you wore masking, made someone else feel comfortable. What’s the best that can happen. You find out you’re wrong and you help protect people. Correct? You were, you were mildly inconvenienced for a review, Right, man. And I’ve said it from the beginning to the end of this thing, when it was announced that in stores, private businesses have a no shirt, no shoes, no service, all of them. Now they’re saying no, no mass, no service. That’s not taken away. Your rights, man, that business has all the right in the world to tell you, you can’t be a Patriot. If you don’t wear a mask, get over it. So many people don’t realize that these are private businesses. They are not mandated to serve you under any circumstances. Like, I don’t know how that slipped by a lot of people. Um, I guess I’ll open up the floor to both of you guys, but I got a curious thing, like, let’s say this whole thing, poops the bed and it shuts down again. Um, how many of these bars can survive this thing? Because I know a lot of them run shoe strings right now. A lot of them are hanging on by the, you know, think other landlords aren’t being dicks type of scenarios. But I mean, if this thing shuts down again for like three months, how many of these restaurants and bars are, or actually going to be able to come back and whether this There’s plenty of ours, I’m going to jump real quick. And they just said, we’re not going to deal with here. Couple of the customers coming from the patio. So they’re ordering right now behind me, but Susie’s bar. They don’t have any staff that’ll work and they just take it off their loans and a ride it out. And I expect to see, I think we’re going to shut down again. I think we’re going to take one more hit for like two weeks. Yes. Yeah. I’m going to say I’m in the same boat. I honestly think that, uh, our governor without playing politics, I think our governor has done well. Perfect. Hell no. Has she done things to play politics and maybe get a VP? Not sure, but that’s her job. My job as a bartender is to work you, to get the best tip out of you, right? Anyone who does their job correctly knows ways to make it so they can make better money for anything else. That’s what you have to do in your job. I know I have to do, I have to tell Karen, she’s a great book, great person, right? Because I know Karen will finally give me 15% finally. Right. But Karen’s a piece of crap, but I can make her feel like she’s amazing. So the bottom line is I feel that they are, the government has, the governor has done well, not perfect. Well, and There was no way, Mikey. There’s no way you were going to ever make everyone happy. Okay? Exactly. This is in Madison. Which way you went. This is the unknown, right? I am not, I can’t be mad at you for doing, taking extremes when you didn’t know what was coming. So my thought process on this is just like August. I think every, I think it’s going to shut down for two weeks, but I’m hoping she does slap on the wrist style. We’re going to pull back bars, any place. That’s just mainly alcohol. We’re going to shut them down for two weeks and keep restaurants at 50% capacity. We’ll see what it looks like. Because I feel if she goes hard as tries to do extreme again, then she might start losing some of her base supporters. So I think she’s gonna take the EAs way. So the season we’re in it’s summertime, this was a little bit easier to pull off when it was still cold out, you know, February, March. I mean, that was doable. If she was a half to try to start to shut it down now in a place like Michigan, like Texas people are hiding inside. Anyways, there’s 110 degrees outside, Florida. This is our outside season. It’s gonna be really tough, especially if she does it statewide and not by zones again. Cause you know, a whole bunch of people are going to be flooding saga top and plugging Trevor city and flooding Mackinaw city and Marquette drink. If she does it, there’s no easy right way to do it. Right. It has to be, you know, state the state region, the region, there are flooding up North. They flood up North as it is. I mean, I’m not even sure about regions Right on 75, try to come a Sunday, six, o’clock go look at 75 coming back home. Yeah. It’s people who live there. They have their houses. They’re not the renters and the hotel people. Cause I know folks that are, they can get a room at saga talk with 24 hours notice right now that’s insane for July and Jimmy Vegas pricing. They’re pretty much given rooms away for a dollar just to get your ass down here. Yeah. But what’s it going to go on to Saugatuck if you’re not on the beach and the bar isn’t open. Yeah, no doubt. Exactly. Well, and that’s, you know, I, I was talking with Fred earlier today, Fred Brown. He shot me like his latest PowerPoint deck and all that stuff. And, and he, he kind of lines up with what you were just saying that, I mean, the reality is like this Harper story is pretty much the tip of the iceberg. We’re going to see a lot of bad news hit over the next two weeks. Um, now here’s, let me, let me ask you a question. I don’t know if you know Dave or if the guys know like how do they know that? Cause it takes like what two weeks to get tested, right. Or to test positive for it. How do they know that, uh, that all emanated from a single bar? Like to me, I read that. How did that, you set a protocol questions, you have to answer For people who test positive, they trace you and everywhere you’ve been and everything you’ve been doing, it’s it’s a thing. Yeah. So like, so, so it was that it was basically one guy who already was sick and wasn’t feeling well. And the day after all this nonsense went and got himself checked out into it. Oh yep. COVID where were you? Um, and then contact Tracy Chino trace back, started taking a look at those people. Yup. And it, you know, and it’s funny, the, the w the one, like really kind of concerning stat that, that Fred throughout, when we react, when we were chatting earlier was of, they did, they just did some like anonymous statistics and 75% of people that went to a hospital or an ER, or an urgent care for non COVID things. Like they went because they fell and broke their arm, or they had a gunshot wound and went to the ER, that kind of stuff, 75% of the people that were checked in tested positive for COVID. Um, and so like, so that’s that hidden asymptomatic population yet again, the reason why you should be wearing your damn mask, even if you, you know, even if you think you feel fine, Right? Yeah. That’s it just put your mask on me, whether everything was right or not. Sorry, just again, same thing I was gonna say earlier, like what you believe or not give a shit about other people, that’s all it is. Who cares? Just be nice. Yeah. I was one of the lucky ones that got to go through the secretary of state. Um, and that was a, yeah, I know. There’s like somewhat outside. They don’t really ask you if you have symptoms, they just ask you what your name is. Like. I was kind of shocked that they would not have like the, the temperature gun. Cause that is not very hard to do. Um, they just really go, what’s your name? Cool. Like you had a mask on, they let you in, and then you left. It was like, it was, it was kind of bizarre. Actually. They didn’t have more precautions in place The problem with the temperature gun. And this is because I think I talked about this on one of their shows either last week or the week before is they’re not very accurate. Um, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s almost kind of like the facial recognition system software, where if you’re white, uh, you, you tend to like, it, it tends to be pretty accurate. Um, but anybody, any people of color, it, it tends to be a lot further. Yeah. I never heard that before. That’s crazy. Well, I mean, it it’s just a thing. Um, and so it’s, you know, it, it, it, it can be, and you know, and the thing, you know, you may be asymptomatic and not have a fever. You might have a fever because you have a cold, you might have a fever, you know, for a number of reasons, not related to COVID. So, I mean, it’s, you know, but it’s a, it’s a PR move more than anything else to at least take that step. All I know is there’s somebody at Amazon right now, wondering why there’s a run on a, do not enter pool. If you have diarrhea signs. Cause we put one at our community pool and it’s caused an absolute uproar. No one realizes that like every water park in America has a don’t enter the water park if you have diarrhea signs. So she put them up at the bar, the questionnaire at city hall every day. And I always checked off, but I had just for fun, you know, the, the thermometers, you shoot the infrared guns. Good to know, you know what the, you know, what the difference is. Right. You know what the differences August the taste, the taste. Yeah. Nice. And that like, like the ones I picked up for the studios, they actually have different settings. Like you can, you can tell it, you’re taking a, um, a skin temp, a zone temp or room temp. Uh, you know, like, so I mean, it’s, they’re decent, but I mean, you know, the, like the more I looked into them, like I said, I mean, it’s, they’re only so accurate and only for so many different scenarios. So You guys know if you guys noticed an uptick, I don’t know if you guys monitor your Yelp pages or whatever. Have you noticed any people leaving like shit reviews? Cause they made us, we’re a mess bar. Like what have you guys noticed an uptick in those? I haven’t even looked. I mean, I’ve, I’ve seen them. I’ve seen people calling them out on Facebook. Like a lot of Facebook, like people like, and people are calling out people that are leaving those reviews. That’s what I’ve seen is, you know, screw you for leaving the, you know, for leaving them a negative review because they said you had to wear a mask and that kind of stuff. Here’s the thing. I’m like, I’m as you know, like, I don’t wanna say noncompliant, but I’m about as is like leave me alone type of person who is government wise. But when I go to the, if you go to the grocery store, I couldn’t imagine if someone told me in their business, like put a mask on and I’ll be like, Oh my God, I’m so sorry. Like that would be my first inclination not be like, screw you. I hate videos. And this just blowing my mind. How people can think like that what’s that August give us a decent human being. Believe it or not. Yeah. No, but like, would you, I couldn’t imagine like, yeah, like getting yelling at anyone in like in, if it’s their house, like, which is, I consider any businesses that are house, you got house rules. Take my shoes off at the door. Sure. Okay. I’ll take my shoes off at the door. Yeah, No, don’t worry about it. You know, like, Oh, through your house, I’m going to have barbecue down the street. FYC. I’ll go out and find, I’ll go have diarrhea in somebody else’s pool. Just don’t have it at whiskey in the jar, man. I had to grow up either. Once it was a worst day of my life. They’re really, really clean and sterile now though. Oh, I bet we’re spending that time at the bar in Monroe you’re ever going to do in Hamtramck is whiskey right now. I was like, yeah, it can’t be any worse than that. Dive bar in Monroe, Bob. It can’t, it can’t Now what’s the percentage. The percentage like, w I know you guys always kept a clean bar, both of you, but like, what’s the percentage now that you have to clean versus what is it? Double, triple what you had to do in the past, as far as wiping things down, it’s a lot more, as far as picking up garbage, significantly less because less crowded. Well, yeah, Most people aren’t throwing their stuff around. Yeah. And it’s the exact same way. Just being cognizant of their surroundings type of things. Right. Instead of wiping down the shelving under the pier bottle, under the liquor bottles and everything a couple of times a week now you’re doing it every shift. But granted, the way they’re working for us is we’re only open Friday and Saturday and they have a, they have a Sasha Friday and a staff for Saturday. So even though that we’re dealing with all of this, we can still get the underemployment because we’re not working. The hours are making the money that we did. So we can still claim the underemployment to get that extra 600 a week. That’s how they’re working it out for us, which I think is amazing. That’s great for you guys. Now, what about a draft beer? You guys just doing plastic cups? Are people shying away from it? Plastic cups. That’s all we offer all plastic plastic. We basically, every day is st. Patrick safer everything plastic. Right? Well, it’s, I mean, and that’s the thing. I mean, like, I guess how is, how is the general tone of the businesses now without the big parties, without the big events, without that kind of stuff going on? Like, is, is it, you know, Hey, we’re all we’re going to just see how this goes and roll with it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there’s nothing else to do. We know we didn’t have our big fundraiser in March. We don’t see the August date for the bag of guy party as viable. We just don’t see one that’s going to work. And you miss you guys, ms. Pouncy day, you guys missed Punchy day was the last big event that I, yeah, that was the last one. Yeah. With your wife, Bob. Yeah, that was, yeah. That was really like the only big thing of 2020 that actually went well. Yeah. Cause you figured out, cause I remember the tigers opening day. I remember tigers opening day paying off people’s bars. I bought places downtown, like back in the day, like talking about that. Yeah. And like, I remember Shalala, I think Mike, you were telling me, well, that one day is kind of the year. Yeah. St Pat’s and opening day, man. They take care of us. I’m wondering what their, if it actually happens, uh, in less than a month, what it’s going to be like, cause obviously they can’t have fans, but that’s not going to stop people from coming down and tailgating like they do. But again, if everything’s still in the restrictive state, what’s, you know what I’m saying? It changes a lot of things. So other than, uh, I mean, other than the obvious where I’m asking you to come in, um, tip, well, um, you know, don’t, uh, don’t, you know, group dance. What, uh, any other recommendations, things that no one’s thought about, you know, tips, tricks. We keep hand sanitizer all over the place, but we do appreciate what people have their own. It’s a visual for kind of everybody to feel a little bit better. I carried some with me everywhere. I’m going. I get it. Um, other than that, I mean, people have been over tipping on my shifts. I’ve been fortunate. Uh, thank you, Dave. Um, I try to make sure I have all my own stuff specifically. So my girlfriend and let me come back over because it shows that I’m being responsible and I need to, and I want to support the bars right here in my neighborhood that are three blocks from my house and only have six people in them, which is easy to feel safe in and easy to control your surroundings. But that’s not what everybody else is doing. You never know. So take care of yourself and just assume the bar isn’t, even though we are Well, that’s the thing like with my neighborhood bar. Yeah. It was all neighbors, but I haven’t, I don’t know what they’ve been doing all spring right at their plate. You know what I mean? Cause like, yeah, it was like a reunion. I, Hey, you know, and then the hardest part was I had to go to a funeral this weekend where everybody’s, everybody’s hugging everyone And that was, it was, you know, I kind of threw all the rules out and we’re kind of holding our breath now going, Oh, you know, I’m sure we all will be okay. You know what I’m saying? Yeah. We’re the same way, man. Uh, just, you know where your mask, when you come in, if you have your own stuff, that’s fine. And that’s great. You know, we really appreciate it. Cause obviously we’re, we’re spending all the money to make sure that we can be open under the guidelines for what we have to deal with, you know? And that’s like, I don’t under, I just wish that people would just come in with a better attitude. Like thank you for being open rather than finally you’re open. I can do what I want here. No that’s going to happen where you’re at. And you’ve got a much more transient non-regular crowd than I do. And it’s a different world and you know what, let me be very honest. It’s 10 30 beyond PM. As soon as 10:30 PM hits until 2:00 AM. You know, that’s when the majority of the crap starts everyone in the earlier Wait, cause everybody’s had a few drinks. They’re a little more, a little loosened up a little more forgetful. A little more. Yeah. Yeah. So that’s, and it sucks, but you know, just don’t make it seem like I’m the bad guy for having to ask you to do what I have to ask you to do, you know, it’s like, everyone’s the drunk girl who wants to take her shoe, their shoes off right now. You dirty bastard. Stop anyone Shoes off anywhere. How about that? I’m not going to stop them. Yeah. I’m sure you wouldn’t. Yeah. Alright. Well, so yeah, there you go. Yeah. Take your shirt. I’ve used it as a mask. Perfect. Um, alright, so, Hey, I guess we’ll let you guys get back to it. So where do we find you when you’re not at whiskey in the, we’ll get a jar. I’m the Hamtramck city clerk underwater buried in absentee ballots right now. Um, but I’m not actually back behind the bar for two weeks. Mike and I are split it up Mikey Smith, who I work with and take the July off. And uh, but I’m here at Hampton whiskey Hamtramck and at city hall. And you need me? Yeah. For what it’s worth. Uh, Michelle just joined the watch party. If you wanted to refer to her as your girlfriend again, to get some brownie points and then Mikey, where do we, where do we find you, Man, if you don’t find me on Saturdays right now, the old shalala.com and you’re a fan of professional wrestling, you can check me on a breaking down the ring podcast, breaking down the ring.com at BDR cast for all of our social media. As you can check us, check me out there every Sunday at 11:00 AM. I haven’t been in a guest in a long time. Like you what’s going on. Hey man, we haven’t had a single person in studio in a long time, either. Good point. I can, I can shoot you the zoom link. If you, anytime you want to join. I mean, I’m not going to play that game. Do you know where to find me? I do. All right. Well cool. Thanks guys. Enjoy the rest of your night. We’re going to hang and bullshit about some other stuff. Hey, thanks for having us guys. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Appreciate it guys. Do you guys be good? Um, I need to start off with it with the thing that’s that’s ruined my entire day. Oh, good Lord. That I’ve been I’ve literally had to, um, share it with everyone I’ve ever known. It’s um, this video. Oh the, the, the golfer, This was, that was live on PGA TV guy rips a huge three or three wood and then cuts a sheet ripper for about 10 seconds. And then they comment about it. The one guy, and then, then this is the best part. The guy gets on TMZ and all this stuff. He starts making fart jokes, talking about that’s the way to social distance. If you’re going to fart on national TV, like that’s how you own it. Like this guy, like literally everyone today at every meeting I ever like, did you hear about the golf guy that farted? And they’re like, what are you like, literally you gotta be the dumbest person. So like literally I’ve been playing this thing. Then the one guy he’s like, aren’t they supposed to be more silent than that. It’s just a beautiful, and then the guy goes, did you get that? He’s like the other guy go stay over there. And he goes, aren’t those supposed to be more silent? So like the guys are walking down the fairway anyway, commenting on. Anyway. Um, I had to, I had to share that cause that’s been my entire day today. Um, I guess my like the stunning news and information for the day, there’s a coin shortage. I don’t know what’s going on. Like apparently everyone’s been saying, um, the, the self checkout lines at Myra have gone cashless. Um there’s yeah. There’s there’s basically, um, I don’t know. How do you get a coin shortage? Did I, that I saw a couple of posts from like, you know, stores on Facebook that really, I saw one from a seven 11. That was like, Hey, you bring us rolled coins and we’ll give you not only the cash back, but you can get a free Slurpee. Like apparently like they’re like, they’re that desperate to get coins, like, which is weird. The announcement never came out. The banks never came out. Usually like there’s something like that you would think would be prefaced over the next course of the next three months, by the way we are bubble, blah. Um, you know, and they’re calling it a national coin shortage. So it was like, you know, the conspiracy peoples, the tinfoil hats are lightning. Oh goodness. I can’t even imagine. Yeah. Although they want to make us cashless, you know, however, you know, I don’t think like, hang on whatever, right, Dude, I’ve been in favor. At least I have been in favor of abolish the penny since the nineties. Like I just like, I’m all in favor of that. Like that they make no sense to me. Yeah. Um, who carries them? No one cares. Here’s the thing. No one carries them around. No one uses them as tender. They are just, they’re basically little kids banks that sit there for 30 years. Then they cash them out for $14 when they turn 20 Or 21 when they’re looking for beer money. Yeah. Right. But yeah. No, I didn’t, I didn’t realize that was such a thing, but yeah, there were stories about Meyer. I’m going completely cashless. They were, you know, cause he had, they had to, um, they couldn’t dispense coins or like some places were saying like even cashiers are just rounding stuff up or rounding stuff down to make it to the nearest dollar. You see? I always like, you know, when you learned about like cash and coin circulation, it’s like, they always, um, when they go to the bank, they think the old money they shred it, then they put a new money where there’s always like this constant flow. And, but no one ever said like the, like during all this COBIT stuff where the mince closed, like where they still lose production. Well, I guess a, it wouldn’t surprise me if they had to shut the mins down. Uh, just because, I mean like everything else, they had their own issues. Um, but I mean, I guess it might be just a matter of it disrupted the natural supply chain. I mean, just like, you know, grocery stores have a hard time getting ahold of things. If people aren’t coming into the stores and using change and then using, you know, they’re, they’re not, you know, and banks were shut down and not, I mean it, I can see why it’s an issue. It’s just, I guess it’s just something, it’s one of those things I never thought about. Yeah. People aren’t using them. So there aren’t them having them at stores to give back. I mean, you think about it. I mean, you know, like, you know, they weren’t taking returnables for the longest time I wear all those, like Coinstar machine shut down. I, you know, cause I would assume that would be one of the places where they were getting their change in coinage and all that kind of stuff. Oh, I just know they’re in the stores. I can’t tell you the last time I went to one Last time I used one, I got an Amazon gift card. So that was yeah. Cause it’s so charged. Yeah. Oh it’s only change only a charge if you get cash back out of it. So what have you guys been watching this week? I, uh, I caught a pretty sweet movie last night. I was, uh, I never heard of it and I was like shocked. It was, you never heard, you never heard of this one? Well, no, no, no. The movie though, I’m talking about dr. Sleep. Like you, you never saw the ads for it or anything. I never saw a thing. I didn’t know what existed. So I’m watching this movie and the little boys got this, like seventies bolt cut. I’m paying no mind. And he’s talking to this, the black guy that looks like the guy from the shining Hong Kong phooey guy. And then he’s talking to his mom, Shelly Duvall. And I’m like, what? In the blue health shining movie is this like Google it it’s the SQL Bob. Yeah. The book’s been out for awhile. That was the movie. Yeah. I honestly had no idea. This thing existed. I just like, Oh, I read the preview and it didn’t say anything. It said the shine, but it didn’t say anything about the shining site. I thought it was something different. What did you watch it on HBO last night? Oh, you know, um, I thought it was great by the way, they did a great job with it. The shining is, um, one of the weirdest movies in the history of humanity, uh, mr. Kubrick, um, this thing like didn’t explain it kind of explained what all the, what the kids’ premonitions were in the first one. And then I gave a good background to it. I dunno. Um, again, the OB one thing is kind of a said, what did he say? The same line is star Wars. And it threw me off for a half an hour. He’s like something like, Oh, that’s these, aren’t the droids you’re looking for say that it can only mean one thing invasion. He did like a Obi wan Kenobi line in this movie that completely threw me off. Like, I don’t know if they snuck that in there or, or what, but yeah, no great flick. I would highly recommend it. I watched a Padma Lakshmi’s taste the nation. It’s a series on Hulu. I saw it. Yeah. I saw that was there. I added it to my watch list. I haven’t, I haven’t started watching it. Episode is like a different immigrant group and their, um, their impact on food in America. Uh, or they did one with, uh, native American cultures because you know, they’re also cultures, but they’re here and not an immigrant group. So, and that actually, that’s, that’s a funny tie in. So I’ll also on Hulu. I’ve been obsessed with hate die neighbor, um, which is, uh, it’s a stent, there’s two seasons of it. So far, it’s a standup comic from London, uh, who basically goes mostly all around the United States, but he also goes to like London, um, and the Ukraine and a couple other places and hangs out with hate groups, uh, for a week or two and he’s biracial, he’s half white, half black. Uh, and, and, and so like, but it’s funny because as he’s arguing with these white supremacists or, you know, whoever else he’s like, you know, if it weren’t for immigrants, the food here Would really suck. Just so you know, like at some point in time during each episode that comes up. But it’s interesting because like he, like, so he goes to like, he hangs out with like honest to God Nazis. Uh, he hangs out with white supremacists. He hangs out with, uh, the EDL in London, which is trying to kick all of the Muslims out of England. Um, he hangs out with, uh, as the Azov folks in Ukraine, um, he hangs out with, uh, the black Israelites, uh, that are like way, way, way black supremacists. Um, it’s I mean, and it’s, it’s just a, it’s fascinating that there are that many different hate groups out there that he, and he goes all over. And so like, like in one episode he starts hanging out with this one, um, uh, what do they call a national socialist it’s it’s not Nazi their, their national socialism. Um, and he hangs out with this one guy in Pennsylvania, um, who then says, Hey, but I can arrange an invite for you to this thing down in, uh, Kentucky or Mississippi. And so he goes down and so like the guy in Pennsylvania, and it sounds stupid. Like he, like, he just hates Jews. Like he Only hates Jewish people and he’s not really overt about it. Um, he, he, he just hates Jewish people, but then he refers him down to these guys down in Mississippi and they’re straight up Nazis. Like it’s, it’s a swastika burning thing that they call the lightning. Uh it’s, you know, they’re all wearing armbands with sweat, like, and it’s like, it, it’s just, it’s insane and intense and you don’t do it. It’s very real. It’s, it’s very, very, um, it is. And like I said, it’s, it’s interesting because there are some people that he makes some headway with and there are some people cause like, and, and so the last, like couple minutes of every episode is him sitting down with them after and going, okay, look, this is why I think you’re full of shit. Um, or, you know, here’s where, you know, here’s why I think, you know, whatever. Uh, and it’s, it’s interesting, like, cause I guess, you know, he, you know, the guys in Mississippi, he was just like, you guys are just straight up assholes. Like it is what it is. And they’re like, and he’s sitting in the car and he’s talking with this guy and that the original guy back in Pennsylvania and, and they, and they had actually gotten to be like kind of friends. And the guy had told him that he like that like the, the lady he was with that had all of his little like socialists spawn with, um, was his second wife and his first wife was Indian and they had two kids. And so he starts like, and so the, the comics starts making, you know, starts questioning him on well, don’t you realize that you’re basically espousing a group that hates your children because they’re, and he was and like, and that like really, like, it’s almost like the first time the guy ever heard that before or thought of that before. Um, and so, I mean, it’s, like I said, it’s, it’s Testing to see It’s American history, X the series, basically. But like, but like I said, you know, but some of the international flavor is really interesting. Like the, I just watched one where he to, um, he went to pride in Israel, uh, but hung out with, uh, the guy who is the most like, like basically leads a little terrorist group against gay people, um, in Israel. Uh, and, and, and it’s funny because like he bounces back and forth, like, so we would hang out with that guy for awhile. And like at one point he’s hanging with them at the end, cause like, he goes with them, like when they go to do their demonstrations and that kind of stuff. Um, and then like, like he does like the cutaway to the camera and he’s like, look, I know I’m doing this for like the show and everything. Um, and he’s like, Hey, thanks Mike. Cause it’s a, it’s a vice series. He’s like, Hey, thanks, vice we’re paying for the trip and everything. Um, but I’m going to go hang with the pride crew cause they’re having a lot more fun and then like the camera crew would follow with them for awhile and he would, and so that’s the thing, like he gets there, he it’s like the, you know, the victims or the targets view on things as well. And it’s just, it’s, it’s fascinating. Like it really is just an interesting show to get, to see that mindset and see that there are so many different people out there with so many different kinds of hatred in their heart, The old, uh, the old standup comedy thing, because those people, but you should have sit in their basements until the internet was created and they found the others and then they made groups, you know, they used to just sit in their basements and just rocking back and forth. Yep. I hate whatever. Now They found others now they found each other and, and they’ve, they’ve they? Yeah. They’ve borked. Um, and they procreate. Yeah. So yeah. So that’s, that’s, that’s, that’s been my, my newest obsession. Um, yeah. I’ve been watching the hell out of that just because it is, it is. I mean, it’s, to me that, like, that kind of stuff is just utterly fascinating to see the, the rationalizations and like, especially like the guys in England, the EDL, like, like th the one guy he followed around just calls everyone patties. Cause it like, it’s like, I guess that’s the derogatory term, like, cause, cause they’re not all from Pakistan, but if you like, it’s just, you know, Paki, like that’s, that’s, that’s the word for them. Um, and you know, making this guy and like at the end of the episode, when he does his little like, okay, here’s what I really think. Like the guy tried to fight him. Like it’s like so apparent, like the vast majority of the EDL are like their soccer hooligans. Um, and, and so like this guy was like taking a shirt off, trying to get through the producers, Adam, the cops were like, so, I mean, it’s, it’s just it’s I mean, it is, but it is. I, like I said, I highly recommend it. It’s called a hate, my neighbor. Um, it’s it’s just an it’s it’s an educational watch if nothing else, By the way, have you seen that? Well, how the internet is going crazy today? Um, from it’s it’s apolitical, but the, with the protest in st. Louis that went through the rich neighborhood. Oh, Karen and Ken. Yeah. Karen and Ken. Yeah. The funny thing is it doesn’t matter. Like I follow pretty much every political group, libertarian, Republican Democrat, and everyone is like, just literally destroying, like, this is like the, one of the, one of the funniest, absolute things. It’s like, there’s, there’s an old expression that says the internet has one star every day. Your goal is to not be that person Was all the concern, all this stuff that I was watching, like from the rights or like the libertarian point, it was like, yeah, you kind of have a right to defend your property, but your brandishing and you have no trigger discipline. You’re an asshole. So it’s like, and then the left is like yours, Stupid. Like, yeah. You’re, you’re, you’re you you’re brandishing weapons that people that are just walking by your house, they’re not even, they wasn’t no favors with anyone like, Oh, in the end, the best part is apparently they’re both lawyers, um, and have their own firm. And so their Facebook page just got destroyed to the point where they turned off reviews and recommendations. And so people just dove in on whatever and started commenting on whatever posts that they had. And it’s just, it is, did I, like I had tears streaming down my face while I was reading some of this crap. Cause did like the internet, the internet takes no prisoners. It’s it’s just, it’s amazing. The means came out immediately. Like I’m talking like good meme. Oh yeah. Like dude, like full Full-blown movie posters with those two. And it was, it was just, it’s outstanding. The Halloween costumes steal this look, it’s like Brooks brothers, cotton performance polo, $89, 50 cents Soho fit, chinos, oatmeal color, $128. I do. 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They were there on the evening of June 19th. Is Remy still bartending there? No, no. He’s been gone from there for a while. So that’s what? 10 days ago. Yeah. Yeah. So what do you guys think about the, um, do you guys think the dream cruise is actually going to be canceled? Well, I think so all of that, none of the public events will happen. Like that’s that’s for damn sure. Um, and, and my like, dude, you can’t stop people from getting in their car and going and driving like you can’t. Um, but you can, you can stop all of the crowds and you can stop. You can stop, you can stop all of the parking lot hangout, stuff like that, you know, but as far as the cruise itself will likely still happen, but none of the other stuff will. Yeah. What I would have read, not saying I’d rather have that announcement. I’m saying like biker is like, Hey, listen, if you’re going to do the cruise, stay in your car, do not park, do not congregate. You know what I mean? At least set up. Maybe we’re past all that with setting up guidelines cause people aren’t gonna effing follow them. Anyway. You know, I would have that saying, instead of just saying it’s outright canceled, just saying, Hey, the official event, isn’t going to be what it is. Um, if you guys want to take your, you know, if you want to take a lap and show up your cars, please, you know, I dunno, Here’s the issue with that? Like isn’t like there, like I would assume there is a, an organization or several organizations that are behind that. And so if it moved forward, officially there would be liability. And Does it not own it? The North American auto, I don’t, I don’t care who owns it, who, whoever owns it, there would be an enormous liability issue if that were to go forward. And it came out that that was a hot spot. And you know, there was, you know, a super spreader event. Um, I’m, I’m sure, you know, there’ll be lawsuits out the wazoo, uh, cause this is America. It’s what we do. Yeah. By the way, speaking of America, America’s all about dumb arguments. I want you guys to settle something for me, we’ve all had the argument is hotdog. A sandwich is tofu food. Um, but this one, this one happened this week. Tofu is not food. Right? Exactly. Um, this one happened this weekend, so we’re at the, you know, they open up the neighborhood pool and one of the neighbors, No, Bob, no, you should not go in the pool with diarrhea. Was that, was that okay? Was that okay? I got diarrhea. So when I go swimming now, that was not very well. The argument was, um, so I ordered a pizza places delivered to the pool that been there long enough where they kind of know us address and say the pool. Um, basically, so then I order a deep dish around or deep dish with me around with veggies and cheese bread. Right. Okay. And the one kid doesn’t want to eat. He’s like, I just want a pizza with no sauce. And I go cheese bread. I go to that’s the first thing I said, I go, I got cheese bread. He goes, no, it’s good. It doesn’t, it’s not the same. And I go bread. Jeez, no sauce. And he goes, well, they got spices on it. And I go open it up. I go, I don’t see any spices Skippy. And he goes, there’s Parmesan on it. I’m like, bro, what do you think they put on pizza? It’s like, I’m sitting here and he goes, Hey. And then everyone starts piling on me going. He likes what he likes. Let them be. I’m like, no, no, somebody, somebody needs to teach This kid. Cause obviously his parents are failing him. Somebody has to step in. I was in my house. It would be like, fine donate. I give a shit like, go get this, go get the salami out of there, out of the drawer, if you want to eat tonight. Um, but then someone else brought it up. They go, Hey, he has a meeting. I go, no, he wants pizza without the sauce. And they go, yeah, cheeseburger, cheeseburger, all this time. I go, what am I? What have I been missing? Um, but anyway, that was the, uh, the dumb argument. And uh, you know, then the other dumb argument is okay, like last week we talked about, um, you know, anti-Obama and uncle Ben and they’re kind of, you know, at what point, like, is it stop becoming admirable and stop and start being ridiculous because right now we’re hearing, they’re starting. It’s starting to, I don’t, maybe you, you tell me if, uh, see, I didn’t know who voiced Cleveland on family guy, but apparently he’s white and he stepped down. I’m saying he didn’t want to voice. You know? So then all of a sudden the internet goes, The girl that the girl that voices, uh, Missy on, uh, on big mouth has stepped down now. Oh my really? But then like, you know, then all of a sudden, now everyone starts piling on being okay, the Simpsons are yellow and Seth McFarland voices, a dog is going to come out to make him step down. Right. Yeah. Is, is Joe on family guy only going to be able to be voiced by a paraplegic now? Well, no. And here, and here’s my thing like, and this is why, like, I kind of understood the blow back against Scarlet Johansson, um, over ghost in the machine. Cause that was, you know, an Asian character. She is not an Asian actress. Like, okay, fine. You know, but like we’re not talking about like Scarlet Johanson playing like Harriet Tubman in the movie. Like we’re talking about voice actors here. And to me, especially like, so an actor’s job at the end of the day is to make you not remember who they are because they were supposed to be playing a character that is even more true in my head when it comes to voice actors, because you don’t see them, you don’t know who they are. And to me, like when, cause, and I started having this conversation yesterday with a few people, then I just had to stop. Um, but like, so to me, if you’re saying that a person of color must be voiced by that person of color, that is almost taking a step that says, okay, well, black people only like black people sound a certain way. Asian people sound a certain way, you know? And, and so is isn’t that right? So like, I, I don’t, I really don’t know that I agree with this one at all. And, and, and, and while the blow back about that was happening, there was the other flare up, uh, that I started getting into with people about, uh, with last night, there was an incident with protesters down in DC, down in Detroit, um, where they were leaving a protest and a cop car with its lights and sirens on, uh, people basically swarmed around the cop car. Uh, apparently their back window was broken and the cop just drove the SUV through the people. Um, and, and people were jumping up on, they were not, they did not get hit and thrown up on the hood. They jumped up on the hood of the car. Uh, and so like, and I was like, okay, look like unpopular opinion. But here’s where I started having a problem with protests and protesters. Because at that point you are not peacefully protesting. You are not, you know, you’re not, you’re not doing anything. You are, you are a interfering with traffic, be interfering with a police vehicle with its lights and sirens on that for all, you know, is trying to get to a gunshot victim or a far more serious set of circumstances, um, than dealing with you walking down the street, trying to get back to your cars. Cause I believe that’s all it was at that point. Um, and, and that’s like, that’s how you get a black eye on, on your entire movement is by trying to pull shit like that. And so, you know, kind of like this, like I do. So kind of the same thing. I, I think that, I think the voice acting thing is going a little bit too far. And I think like that is like, cause we were like, Oh, this is outrageous that this happened. I’m like, no, you, they, they were trying to start shit. And they got shit that like, that they were Then the media didn’t do any favors by seeing the cop car plowed through them. Cause I watched it from eight different angles. Yeah. And that car stopped three times then all of a sudden then when they piled on the hood back window goes out, then the gas hit like plowing through is plowing through like you’ve seen truck drivers that yeah. Yeah. That’s, that’s legit. It happened to people. Right. And so, yeah, like I, Here’s the thing, like not to jump around a little bit, but it’s the same token, like Bart Simpson has been voiced by a woman for what? 30 years. Yeah. However long that show’s been on. Yeah. Since I’ve been 13, so yeah, probably close to 30 years. Um, but I don’t think anyone’s ever complained. Like, you know, like, I don’t know, there’s Darth Vader. Yeah. Darth Vader, white guy, white guy inside it voiced by a black guy. Well, and it’s, you know, and it’s one of those things where like, and like, and I understand like one of the sentiments that’s out there is, well, Hey, they’re trying to basically step away from this role to free up a spot for a person of color that, that might then get that job. Okay. But who’s to say that that person of color is the best person for that job. Like what, like, so like now I look at, so now the family now family guy is going to change and, and Cleveland’s voice is going to be different. Now they did that a while ago. Um, now, you know, big mouth, which is just starting to really gain traction. One of the main characters is going to change. Um, and yeah, I just, I, I mean, recasting, isn’t an issue though. Like they replaced, you know, Lacy Shabbir well, yeah. I mean, so like Lacey Shavera was the voice of Meg, the first season of family guy. Um, and then, y

What is going on, everybody? How are we doing? This is the it and the D show episode 351. We are still in quarantine, even though we’re slowly getting back into business, cheers to all the bars and restaurants that got to open up today. A guest this week of the illustrious one, mr. Fred Brown. He was on about a month ago, actually. What about a month and a half ago? Right? When everything started breaking kind of educating us on COVID and what a better time to bring them back then, uh, cause all the madness going on right now with the doubts and misinformation and all this other stuff.     Oh. And let’s not forget all the bars and restaurants reopening and everybody believing it’s bar crawl day. Yeah. Let’s not forget. Yeah. Hockey glass will save us all here to clear up all the madness and Dave, you know what you may fire when ready. All right. Yeah. And Fred, since the last time, uh, we’ve decided we’re not playing the intro, uh, during these video sessions. So we’re not going to make you suffer through that again. Okay. It was very inspiring. Welcome. And thank you for hanging out with us. This is the it, and the D show we are hanging out, uh, in our respective houses for the time being, this is episode three 51. This is Bob, the sales guy that is Dave, the geek, Randy. I do the Twitters is doing the Twitter, find it online it and the d.com and do us a favor, give us a like on the socials and subscribe to us everywhere. Fine podcasts are sold. And uh, yeah. So this is usually where we talk about the events and we have not put any back on the calendar just yet. Uh, but now that things are starting to open up, we will be looking at doing so. Um, I know our buddy Neil was at, uh, where we were supposed to be having our first event that got canceled Del Ray cozy lounge. Uh, so we’ll be reaching out to them and seeing how things are going and maybe go back there. Uh, and then we’ll work on the Anarbor events as well. But yeah, so it’s a, they’re they’re, they’re coming soon and, uh, and, and, and look, and look and listen to, I listened to Bob with his, uh, with his new microphone. Sounded all good and stuff. Yeah. I’m not all that. It doesn’t sound like I’m in the toilet. If you’re not watching the show. I think I got an idea for our next event that we should all wear, like those kitty life preservers and like all handout, like, uh, so, so we have this, see the distance like around our waists. Oh, you mean like the hip waders? Yes. Yeah, exactly. Like this, just like you slide them over your head, like life preservers. And I was like, what’s that going to hit? Not like a hospital, a we’ll we’ll do the whole thing. We’ll where the, uh, the face shields with the windshield wiper, the big Brown thing around our waist life preservers. I think we, uh, we need the giant burger King hats, the giant burger King crowns from Germany. We need to find our way to get our hands on those, but Hey, a Fred’s already getting a patient where we are. If you didn’t hear the pre-roll, we’re very, very lucky to have mr. Fred Brown back with us. Uh, I would consider how do we introduce you politely without a, uh, I guess you are all things, um, I guess why don’t you go ahead and introduce yourself before I stick my foot in my mouth any further? Oh, well, I, I work a little bit in epidemiology and infectious disease. I’ve done. Gosh, I, I started doing the work back in 1985. We, uh, I was on the team that discovered the first and then developed the first AIDS test, uh, for HIV, uh, detecting HIV. And unfortunately at the time we, uh, had a test, but we didn’t have any cure as a little bit similar to what we have with Qubit right now. But, uh, you know, HIV is at that point was really a deadly, you know, much more deadly than, than, than it is. And so most people after we developed the test didn’t want one. And so what we did is we actually developed it for the blood serum and we can’t, we tested all the blood. So people wouldn’t be getting diseased from the blood. And then I went, uh, and started, uh, a little company called Alkermes. And we did quite a bit of work in delivering, uh, new drugs across the blood brain barrier, which was a challenge. And then I basically helped develop a 27 major drugs and 13 diagnostic products and seven or eight vaccines in my career. So you have kids in a, you know, in, uh, who, uh, who, uh, were born in the 1990s ’em up, they probably were, were vaccinated and they have had vaccines. Then they would probably vaccinated with some of the work that I did. And most people who have been to an emergency room, public took, had drugs that I take. And most people who have cancer have taken some of the drugs that I developed as well. So that’s some of the back on it. I speak on behalf of all of us. We’re very lucky to have you with us and thank you for your time. Yeah, it’s a pleasure. I mean, he’s, he’s got a lot more credit than most of our, you know, our, our common guest in eighties, D-list celebrities. I mean, that’s so I don’t know, Dave, I got a hundred questions. Dave, you have a hundred questions, Randy, you have a hundred questions, I guess we all flip a coin, Dave, I guess start off you a fired a few off an email. Why don’t you, uh, I guess fire off one we’ll we’ll play round Robin. Well, yeah, so, I mean, I guess let’s, let’s start with obviously the, the big one. So, you know, Michigan’s bars and restaurants are reopening today, um, or reopened today, uh, you know, a lot of them, uh, I know quite a few places that, uh, that, that were opened at midnight, uh, to get that two hour Russian. Uh, so I mean, from your perspective, you know, what should people be paying attention to? And, and, and by people, I mean, both patrons and staff, you know, owners, you know, that kind of thing, like what, what should we be keeping in mind as these rules are relaxing? Because I mean, I, no joke, my Facebook feed was just littered with people, checking in at bars today and, and everything else. And, and so I, yeah, I’m, I’m curious as to what your thoughts are there. So they’re basically four, four things you want to think about. We can go into the tail if you like as well. The first thing is your own personal health. So you, are you feeling good? And as you know, we started off with about four major, uh, diagnostics for the disease. The first one was, if you had a fever 88 of the time, you had a fever that was indicative of, of COVID. Unfortunately that’s a very, uh, you know, it’s a sensitive test, but it’s not very specific. You can have pretty broad yeah. Were for a lot of different reasons. I mean, we had a, you know, shortness of breath was a big one and a dry cough. Wasn’t another big one. And there’s also some cognitive issues that we felt were issue issues. Now we’ve actually got about 12 different ways of diagnosing and I’ve got a list of them. I can, I can show you if you’re interested. I’ll just show it to you quickly. Uh, I have it here. Mmm. This isn’t the right deck, but we can get there one second and right here. Yeah. You got a dialog box up. You’re not doing anything until you kill that off. Oh, sorry. [inaudible], we’ll save this. Thank you. That’s the benefit of being in the room with three it guys. Beautiful. Let’s see. Here, there, we are open that up and see where we are. So the major, major, uh, diagnostic factors, uh, now we’ve got loss of smell and taste. That was a new one. We weren’t expecting that at all. That’s a very rare for a coronavirus, uh, of any kind to kind of create a loss of smell. The dry cough continued at 68%. We were just thought it was 66%, but it was 68%. Fatigue is a big one. If you’re really feeling very tired out. Uh, and, uh, despite getting a lot of sleep, that was a big one. It turns out there was some student production, the shortness of breath continued at about 20%. And then there was a whole mass of smaller things that we found out that it was a little bit broader indication levels than we thought. So the first question you want to ask yourself before, before you go is what sputum protection production slam. Bob. You want to go by an expectorant, let’s just say that you want, you want to be feeling good when you go out. And if you have any of those things, dumps that, then see it, you know, cause again, we’ll get a test and check it out and make sure you’re doing good. Uh, so that’s the first big question. That’s the next big question you have to ask is what your own personal level of, of risk is. And, um, you know, for guys like me, I I’m older. And so I actually have a higher level of risk and I like to admit, I can show you that quickly as well. Here are the different factors and you can see it really, it really hype so quick. Um, uh, with, uh, with these, I have a feeling we’re not going to like this chart, Bob [inaudible]. So let me see, there was a slideshow slide. So if you’re, if you’re basically under 40, um, you’re, you know, you’re, you’re in pretty good shape. Um, unless you’re saying smoking have had, and I’ve had a major disease like cancer or haven’t, haven’t had bad ass, um, then, then I think it’s, it’s relatively safe, uh, to be out and about much more. So say than when, when you get into, you know, my, my area, which I’m, you know, on the 4% side, uh, of a mortality rate. And by the time you get to my mom’s age, I gotta really be careful. Cause she’s, you know, she’s talking about, uh, uh, know one, one in five chance of dying. If she, if she comes up with it, if you’ve got a slide up, go ahead and share it. Oh, I’m sorry. I’m I’m making all sorts of mistakes tonight. I apologize. No problem. Here we are. I will hear that up. How does that look? There you go. Yeah. So, you know, basically you can see if you’re, if you’re under 40, um, the chances of, of being killed by, by, by COBIT, aren’t, aren’t zero, but they’re a lot better than if you’re say in your sixties, seventies or eighties, by the time you’re 60, you gotta really think pretty closely about whether you want to get into a high, high risk situation. Especially if you’ve got these underlying conditions like cardiovascular disease, which a lot of us have and diabetes, you can get a sense of, you know, with no underlying condition. And you know, when you’re younger, you know, you’re talking about a 0.7 0.5% mortality rate kind of thing. Uh, once you get, you know, over, over, over 50, you’re talking about two to 3%. Um, uh, and by the time we get to my mom’s age, as I said, you know, you’re talking about a one in five chance of dying. It turns out once you get over over 60, the males die a lot faster than females. And unfortunately, as we, as we, as we know, if the city does play a role, there is no genetic role that we’ve found so far, but it’s the socioeconomic conditions that are causing, especially black people to be dying at about three times the rate of the rest of us and getting the disease about two times the rate as the rest of us. So, so do these factors stack. So if you’re 80 plus and have CLPD, are you yeah, 28%. That’s right. And they don’t stack exactly. You’ve got to multiply two by the 0.7 underlying condition number, uh, through, but you know, say that you’re a 60 year old man with diabetes. You gotta, you got a 4.1, 3% chance. So you start with a 0.7 and start to add on the factors for the, of the additional factors. So yeah, it’s, uh, it gets so, you know, so that’s the second big thing. First week thing is already feeling good before you go out. Second big thing is what is my personal risk factor? Um, cause if you get it, no, I think driving a car, you gotta want a one and 700 chance of, of, of, of crashing and dying here. You’re talking about something that’s worse if you catch it. So you got, so that’s, uh, uh, that’s the next big factor personally, and you want to kind of assess your, your, your, your, your level and the, and there’s there, there are a little, you can use the mobile phone. Uh, I created a little app that says, you know, here’s my situation. I’ve got diabetes and I’ve got, you know, heart disease. I’ve got hypertension and I’m 70, you know, what are my chances? And it’ll, it’ll give you a number, stay home. That’s what it’ll say. Just be really, really, I make sure it’s worth it. Do you have, do you have one of those giant hamster bubbles? That would be great. Hey, Fred, I really walk it into this. When, when Dave told me you’re going to be on, I got all excited because literally my, my head’s been spinning from information slash slash misinformation, and I’m going to run some scenarios of everything that I’ve been hearing. And I want you to tell me what’s real. Cause it’s driving me nuts. So, you know, hold on, hold on. Just say you’ve got two more, right? I have two more. Sorry. We’ll just quickly. I’ll go through. I’m sorry. The third thing is what is the general level of COVID in your environment? And now we’ve got all sorts of little weather forecasts and COBIT announcements that says here’s what it looks like. It looks like. So in Michigan, our worst environments are Kent County, McComb County, Oakland County, and Wayne County. Those have the highest incidences of Kobe generally in the environment. If you’re up in the UPP, not bad, if you’re down below, say Gaylord, you’ve got to start getting a little bit more nervous. And as you get more toward, uh, grand Rapids or Detroit, you gotta be more careful than you would in the more rural environments. And then the last factor is the activity itself. And, uh, I’ve got a funny survey. I’ll I’ll, I’ll share with you guys. The epidemiologists all got together, the research epidemiologists, the United States, and we did a survey among ourselves saying, you know, what, what, what, what, what are, what, what were we willing to do? And you’ll find it sort of amusing. I think that the I’ll show it, share it with you later with just so it’s the, it’s how you feeling yourself. What’s your personal risk factor? What’s the general level of COVID in your environment and how dangerous is the activity that I’m planning to do? How is it relative to the other stuff? So if you go out for a walk in the park, uh, with low, low levels population, probably not too bad, if you’re planning to see in a closed up bar, we know for a lengthy period of time and you have a high risk, you want to think that through pretty carefully, right? All right. Now, Bob go, yay. No, so everything, I mean, I try to read as much as I can from as many different sources I can. And you know, basically my, my, the week over the last couple of weeks has gone like this, like who says this this week. And then who says that this week CDC says this this week, then they say something else. Then there’s health experts on this news channel that says, you can do this, but you can’t do that. And then on the other channel, they say, you can do that, but you can’t do this. And then, you know, everyone on social media is I call it the Corena virus, the Karen of virus, shaming of activities. They don’t apply. They don’t deem appropriate. Right. Um, and so basically I’m caught in this, like, and then Fowchee says this, and then the president says that, and then the press, the president secretary says this, like, literally I’m caught in the middle of what the hell? Like, what do I do? I just sit. I just I’ll just keep sitting in my chair. Like, I don’t know what to do anymore. Like who do I guess, who do you listen to her? What’s what’s right. And what’s wrong these days. So I usually go back to the scientific literature myself, you know? So I’ll take a look and see what’s been quoted and what the evidence is. So we ha we, and, and the, and the challenge has been lately that some of the scientific literature that normally you can’t really trust, uh, has, you know, 60 different coauthors. Everyone is partnering with each other. They don’t really know each other that well anymore. And the pure review tends to happen after the publication. Now, before you guys all get together and say, wait a minute, but now you sort of have to make that assessment for yourself every time. And these stuff get this good stuff gets published fast. And then of course, it’s, it’s a prominent group and you want to get it out there. And wow. You know, so it’s, it’s a, it’s a, it’s sort of a wild West, right? I believe in the it world, that’s what we call testing and production. See, I was going to say, every engineer puts in their own change control. That’s how I was going to, you know, [inaudible] whichever way. But like, so, I mean, that was the whole point of science. I always thought was science always evolve. Science always changes. There’s always people with different theories, but like, you know, like you all were trying to look for the Bible, the gospel what’s the truth. And it seems to change depending on the wind. Um, and that’s why, you know, like we, we all want to be safe. We want to all keep our families safe. But like at the same token, we’re like, wait a minute. Like, you know what I mean? Like, Oh, I know, I know. So there, there’s a couple of things that are, are also influencing it. For example, there’s, there are a couple of big programs that we have recently that everyone was talking about, uh, the Madrona vaccine, you know, and it’s hurt you. The way you create these clinical trials is you can do it in a couple different ways. One is to have a large enough sample size where you can actually do, uh, an open up the dataset, look at it, and that affect the power of the ultimate answer. And so what Madrona did in order to help, I think their, you know, their, their stock price, obviously they’re a publicly held company. They decided to, you know, open up parts of their datasets early, be able to announce that, and then, you know, force us to wait for the rest of the data later. So, uh, what happened was everyone looked at it and said, wait a minute, we’re only, you know, you guys tested 45 patients. You only opened up the data set on eight. And so it’s very hard nor normally we’d see the whole dataset. Everything would have been peer reviewed. We would have, you know, and instead it was sort of controlled by a business group, you know, business communications person out of scientist. And it was controlled their business publication, not, you know, science or Lancet or, uh, you know, uh, necessarily a journal that you did that you’d expect. Right? So that’s another additional complicating piece because people are competing for, um, trying to say their drug is good enough that we’re going to do something special with it. And especially in the vaccine space, they’re trying to bet that the vaccine will work before they’ve proven it. There’s gonna be enough data that says that’s suggestive, that we’re going to put in two, three, $4 billion into a manufacturing plant, uh, before we even know for sure that the thing is safe and efficacious. So gonna be some big bets laid down, and we have to know that early enough to make those bets work. So we don’t have to wait for the vaccine if it’s successful. I mean, is there some big factors out there? So, I mean, is, is science suffering from the same issue that like media and journalism in general are where it’s more about first than, right. Well, in, in, in this case, there’s enough, there’s enough shots on goal that if you’re first and wrong, uh, it’ll be pretty clear, pretty fast. And, and the guy coming in behind that, on the net with the next shot, I go, we’ll still have a good chance in some instances where there’s too big of a gap, uh, then, uh, sometimes, you know, first, first makes right. It gets you, it gives us the most market here, typically in pharmaceuticals. You know, there’s a big race. Usually the first person to market gets 40 to 60% market share and, and retains that market share even when the next sets of, of, of, of, of solutions come on stream. So it, you know, 46%, it’s a big, and then the next, you know, number two gets 30% market share and number three gets maybe 10 or 15% and then number four or five. So you, you know, you’re done, you’re fighting over scraps. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that’s, that’s a usual market situation in pharmaceuticals. And so there is a lot of pressure to be fast, but in this case, there’s 10 vaccines that are supposed to be ready to at least be looked at in phase three clinical testing by, you know, November, December, January of this year. So Bob, just to like, I guess a good specific example of what you were just talking about. So, you know, early on it was, uh, okay, even if you’re asymptomatic, you can absolutely pass this on to people. Um, it’s, you know, that’s a big deal. So even if you’re asymptomatic still be careful today, the who comes out and says, well, as it turns out, asymptomatic carriers, you know, isn’t, you, you’re probably, that’s probably not a distribution mechanism. That’s interesting that who did that, who come out today? I, I wasn’t aware of that. Um, because I literally just came out a bit ago. I’ll have to take a look at that. I look at the data, uh, because we know one of the challenges of the drug is that a lot of the scientists think that there is a lot of asymptomatic transmission, uh, not because, um, well, and then the two reasons for that. Uh, so I, I just, I I’m surprised by that conclusion, uh, act Josh, I’ll show you another slide if you want to take a look. Okay. Um, and that slide is about diagnostics themselves, and it’s sort of interesting how imprecise we are right now, still, unfortunately. So if you look at the different tests that are available, yeah. It’s an important for people to realize this. Um, so did I share it? Can you see it? Yep. Got it. All right. So, well, that’s the fatality rates again, here’s diagnosing COVID. So it turns out that if you think you got exposed from COVID. So my daughter was, uh, she was protesting in Chicago this week, uh, much to my unhappiness for a whole number of reasons out there. Um, and, uh, and she wants now to get tested to make sure she didn’t get a COBIT. And I said, well, that’s great, but you’re going to have to wait about five and a half days. Um, in order to really know what she get to give your best chance of knowing whether you’ve got COVID or not. So it turns out that if you think you might’ve gotten exposed, like you got on a plane and you want to go visit your elderly grandmother, and you’re concerned that on the plane, you might’ve been exposed, even though you’ve been good at home, uh, you know, uh, for, for two weeks, uh, then believe it or not, you probably shouldn’t see your grandmother for 14 days, uh, uh, because of the asymptomatic issues that we’ve dealt with it. Well, it’s, I mean, that’s what, uh, that’s the law or the rule that Hawaii passed. Um, they got, they got tired of everyone flying there because the flights were so cheap. And so they mandated a 14 day quarantine, um, and actually had a, they started and ran a fund where, you know, if, if you weren’t, if you really planning on being there for a week, they would basically pay to, you know, change your ticket and send you back home. Same thing with UK. If you go to the United Kingdom out of it, unless you get an air corridor, this isn’t an air corridor exemption. You’re going to have to wait for 14 days to enter the country. Um, and if you’re from coming in, so here on this, on this chart shows two different kinds of basic tests. The first test is in the solid line, the solid lines are the molecular and editing testing that actually tests whether you’ve got an active virus. And basically if you test three days after you’ve been exposed and you have a fuller nasal pharyngeal swab, and you go to Harvard and you get tested, they’re only saying it 40% of the time, they can detect it after that’s, after three days, if you wait for four days, there’s a 70% chance that you can detect it. And if you wait for five and a half days, that’s sort of the [inaudible] detection period of time at that point, uh, you, um, uh, we have about an 80, 84% chance of detecting it. And that’s about as good as it gets. You are in the hospital, you know, on an operating table and something inserted into your lungs to get what they call a Brocky, uh, bronchitis, uh, uh, alveolar Luvata or sputum directly from your lungs. And then you get a 92% chance, but there’s a big difference between what they publish, which is the, the, the analytical capability of a test, or just like 99.9, 5%. And the actual clinical experience that you have, because that once you take that swab, the first question is, did you get, get the right part of the nose, a little part of the, uh, to be at the right part of the lung? Did you tickle the STEM of the brain properly? Yeah. Make sure he got all, you got it all mixed up with the right in the right reagents and you gotta send it off and then you got to do the test, but that’s just to be done just right. And by the time we go through all that, it’s about 80 or 85%, you know, true positive breaks. Dave, didn’t you say your favorite was the stool sample one. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Hey, you know, that, that stool sample is turning out to be somewhat helpful. If you want to look at community spread, it’s about 55% accurate, uh, you know, uh, sensitive, um, uh, and specific overall. Um, and, and what’s interesting is if you have every day you’re taking, so the effluent charges of a building or of a particular area, you can tell whether or not there there’s, there’s antibody building up in a particular population, and then you can go back and you can test that particular population with the more specific tests, more sensitive tests, uh, and actually, you know, find the people and the reasons it’s so important is that this, um, that is, is that we do think at least, uh, I have to look at that who article that’s an interesting new, uh, new, well, so here’s, let me, let me read you the quote. So it’s a, from dr. Maria van Krakow, um, who said, uh, head of who’s emerging disease and zoonosis unit, uh, from the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmit onward to a second individual and then follows up with it’s very rare. Now she had, does immediately follow that. And of course they don’t really highlight this quote as much, um, where she says absolutely more research and data are needed to truly answer the question of whether or not asymptomatic carriers can spread it. Um, yeah, so that that’s important. She didn’t say presymptomatic, if she had, has she said presymptomatic and asymptomatic, then I would have questioned it because it turns out with your, your, your, the biggest amount of virus you’ve got that it’s shedding happens about two and a half days after being, after being, um, uh, after being exposed. So if he had said, and we think of asymptomatic rate about 25%, it ranges between 20 and 50%, depending on who you’re talking about. So eventually, you know, 80% of the time you’ll come down with symptoms, uh, 80 say 75, 80% of the time will come down with some symptoms that you are at least we’re right here. Well, I was gonna say, even if they’re, you know, that that first chart you threw up there, I mean, a lot of those symptoms are, Hey, I’ve got a, or, Hey, I’ve got the flu or it’s allergy season in Michigan. So as, as we get as become more, as we’ve become more aware, more educated, he, he could be right that, you know, the asymptomatic rate of transmission is going to be lower because we’re going to recognize that Quebec, I could have colon COVID and isolate appropriately. So can you, she may be right about that. I’d like to look at the dataset that she was looking at, because most of my colleagues are saying, we still think there’s some asymptomatic spread to, uh, to this. And so if you can imagine a stool sample, the, the, the issue we’ve got, I just, I just want to, God bless you. And it just bless you for having an actual scientific answer for Bob’s dumb ass comment. I just, I, I respect you so much for this are critical. Well, it turns out they’re more important than we thought they would be, uh, because this particular virus has a very, what they call low key value. And K value is about a lot of clustering that occurs that in order to transmit the disease, cause it’s an R value. Everyone talks about it says one person gets it two and a half people Morgan. And so on. It turns out that isn’t exactly the way that virus, this particular virus works. This particular virus really works a lot more with super spreading, so super spreading by location, who we’re spending by activity super spreading by individual. So it turns out that, um, you know, one guy in Italy actually gave the disease in two days to 761 people. And he was, he was a super spreader. It turns out there’s some, I think I had an X like that. Yeah. We don’t know enough about literacy to figure this out. So what’s nice about the stool sample is if you get starting to get community spread, you can try to isolate, um, more with, uh, and try to find that that super spreading location activity or person, uh, faster than we can normally. Cause unfortunately we don’t have very good contact rates and a lot of countries have really invested a lot contact tracing. We don’t have have that as well established yet. We’re going to get there, but it’ll take some time, but no, we’re not quite as good as say Taiwan where they’re really good. So, I mean, I guess that leads to it. So our waste treatment plants, like kind of on the front lines of this, and I know, and is, is this maybe one of the issues with, I’m just thinking like, you know, you’ve seen like lower, like the lower earlier numbers or lower numbers in rural areas where you may have a lot of homes on septic systems. Um, so you’re not getting, you know, community data you’re, you know, it’s still one offs. Like, so I mean, yeah, I mean our, our waste and water treatment plants kind of on the frontline to this now it’s a waste of, uh, yes, but even more so maintenance, uh, operations. So you can imagine, you know, collection areas of, uh, around buildings and that actually are isolated back all the way to a building. You can get to that point and in some situations, but yes, your answer is, yeah, they’re, they’re becoming more important than, than I originally thought they were going to be sort of interesting. Uh, we have a couple of comments from our, uh, Facebook who are watching the video live. Um, if you have tested positive for antibodies, what is, what does that mean? How are you immune or not? How long are you moving if you are? Yes, that is a great, that is a very valuable answer question. Um, so this that’s the second test it’s up here. I’ll just show you, you should absolutely continue to stay at home for as long as possible. So here’s, here’s that here’s the same, here’s that same slide again. And the dotted line, the dotted line tests, um, are the antibody tests and this one shows two of them. Uh, it shows the, uh, the IgG, which is the important one that, that actually is a longterm antibody that converse some immunity we think. And then the IgM that signals the body, Hey, there’s something going on here. So antibodies are, as you know, they, they, they, they arise because you’ve got a foreign object that attacking your body. And what’s interesting is if you’re one year old and if something attacks you and then, you know, 90 years later, you’re, you’re sort of, you know, wheeling and yourself around the retirement home and they test, they can find that antibody back when you’re one year old. So that, that has a permanent sort of tattoo in your system that, that, that, that go away now that the effectiveness of that antibody won’t be as strong when your ideas is when it just a couple of weeks after you’ve been infected. But, uh, but it’ll still be there. So you can still detect whether you’ve ever been infected by the disease. As you can see this, this line goes up to about 70%. So right now our best antibody detection systems detect about 70% of the time, a false, uh, we’ll we’ll, we’ll, we’ll, we’ll be accurate 70% time, but it also means that 30% of the time you may think that you’ve got antibodies and you really don’t. So you want to make sure, uh, my recommendation is, is take this test a few times before you go out and try to be Superman. Uh, I would say three times right now, uh, and there are different tests for the antibody Roche’s is the most accurate, or if those is also highly accurate, Abbott’s a little bit less accurate, but faster. So depending on how, you know, how fast you want to go and so on, uh, and, and the accuracy level and the kind of test is being done. But basically there are a couple of things you can do once you’ve had a positive, uh, antibody response. The first is you just want to find out whether you have any immune response. Now we’re looking at that pretty carefully, uh, because we’re ruling for plastic proteins that will actually, or they call neutralize, uh, these, uh, the, the virus. And those are rare to find. We think we found a couple that complex was a virus and make it, make it an ex sort of, uh, inhibit its path to the cells and then reduces infection rate. We haven’t found that many that actually, no, come on and just kill a thing. Uh, we’re looking at something called DARPA, which is sort of interesting. It comes from a malaria, but we haven’t found that much. I I’m working with some of the guys who were at Rockefeller and some of the guys who are at Stanford, and we’re, we’re a little bit disappointed in the number of we take. And so if you, if you’ve been infected and you want to contribute, um, let me know when I can sit, certainly set you up, uh, to, to donate your blood and they’ll take a big bag of it and then decide, tell you what kind of antibodies it’s again, it’s Mike, you can absolutely drain him. We’re, we’re totally good with that. He will, uh, on his behalf, we will, we will donate him to science. That’s absolutely fine. [inaudible] are, these are, these are done at very at, are they called P three labs? So they’re, you know, super infection disease. And then as far as infectious disease goes, you know, P three before that’s, you know, you’re, you’re talking about outer space type of, of sterility, uh, environments, you know, uh, I, you know, it looks like, it looks like the neck, uh, you know, the, the, the alien Malians are attacking. When you go to those labs, they, what they do is they take, they take the blood and they actually take live virus and they check and they check out whether or not the virus was being affected by any of the antibodies they found in the book. And then what they do is if they find some good, if you find that your blood is good, they’ll give these what they call plasma therapy options. Convalescent therapy is another word for it. And they’ll inject injected. The healthcare workers will inject with people who are very ill and these antibodies will help them give them a boost, temporary boost. Do you want to do it more often? You have to what they call monoclonal antibodies. They actually take the antibody that it’s working instead of giving you a, was all the antibodies. They’ll, they’ll highlight one or two. And that’s what we’re looking for. One or two that really are strong and actually synthesize it in, in, in cell culture and create monoclone. And then they’ll, you know, they’ll actually inoculate it with an oxygen. And so it produces these antibodies all the time. And, um, and, and, uh, that’s, that’s a, uh, they call it, it’s a cell line. That’s an Nicola, an immortal cell line. And this immortal cell lines produce just nothing but produce to anybody or at least take them out. And we’re able to very precisely target the people with the antibody. So that’s the next level of therapy we’re not there yet. We right now, we’re still working with cocktails and spun down plasma, but we’ll get there and it’ll, it should be helpful. So there’s our, yeah, there was a story that came out today also, or yesterday there was a scientist in Norway basically came out and said there were convinced, wrote a report that, uh, that it was lab made in China. Um, I know we had, uh, origin story. We didn’t really, you know, we were all over the board again. Um, what is, uh, I guess what’s your take on that? See, now it’s funny. It was on Forbes and I went to go click on it and it said, the pages look no longer active. I wonder if I know, right. That’s why I can’t figure anything out. What’s what’s right. What’s wrong. I swear to God, that’s what it said. That’s what happened. I drastic Laura flora couldn’t that there were a couple of big announcements that Hydrox made plugin wasn’t working. And then they found out the scientist had used a lab that really wasn’t didn’t do the work with the chiropractor I should have. And now that now it’s back being tested again, so that that’s going to happen a bunch of all, but basically most scientists, so nothing is impossible, right? It could have been done in the, uh, in, in, in a lab. Uh, and there are some Nobel laureates that are absolutely convinced that they’ve found, you know, pieces of HIV basis of this space, of that, uh, virus that they think is highly suspicious. Um, that would indicate that maybe they were looking for an HIV vaccine. Cause a lot of us are working on HIV vaccines, right? Wouldn’t it be great to have a vaccine for that stupid thing finally. Um, and, but then we still roll out 10 years out. So they’re, you know, people are working with, with different kinds of vectors and then putting in HIV, uh, HIV, uh, proteins into the vector to see if that’ll work, they create a vaccine. So that’s most plausible explanation of how it could possibly be that they were working with a virus like this that could be released. It’s highly, highly unlikely. What’s much more probable is that, um, that we had a, a shift in a drift. So what happens with these, uh, what’s happened to these DNA sequences that are in the viruses. They is, they, uh, as they, as they shifted drift, that means basically that they can, they can, uh, go into a bat. And we think what happened was it went into a bat. It started in a bat. It was then got to go ahead and do a pinion community. Hanging community shifted the DNA slightly. Uh, it was a normal grown virus into that. And the thing we community chipped with DNA slightly. And then we had some drift occurring in the, in the, in the DNA sequences would cause this funny virus to occur. That’s a far more, it turns out biologically it’s a far, far more likely scenario than, than, than a P for lab, which, which, which, which this wasn’t a mistake in the releasing something. Now it’s a brand new before lab. They were still training their people. There were some, you know, there were some safety reports that said, these guys aren’t doing exactly the right thing, but even then we tend to use, uh, you know, deactivated viruses and just as highly, highly unlikely. And then the people who run that lab, you know, I I’ve met with them a few times. They’re very, they’re, they’re some of the best, best immunologists and invest just at best people in the world and in the space. Right. So I’ll just, I’m just scanning that article, Fred. And I was like, uh, it was dismissed by experts. So it’s like, well, I’m not the person that wrote it was the expert. Cause it was proven. And now it’s, they’re proving. It’s not proven. So again, that’s where I get. I’m sitting here at home, just shaking my head because I’m reading this then it’s then it’s, it’s like watching the, a, the Pluto’s a planet episode of Rick and Morty that’s yet to come guys, one Nobel prize in the HIV field who believe we’re absolutely convinced that it was, uh, it was, uh, one of the guys in France. You don’t want that States who are convinced. And they’re very, they’re very, very prominent people in the field, you know, Nobel prize winners who are convinced that this was a something that happened by the chains, but it’s just, if you talk to most epidemiologists, most to be analogous, most neurologists who are, you know, serious about the field, it’s like, no one really believes it. And if it is, it’s such a small chance that it’s it’s to be at a disbelief. So I give it a small percent chance. There’s always a chance, but probably highly, highly, highly unlikely. All right. So I promised Frank, I would get this one in. And I, I told him I would even quote him. He said, Hey, are the memes that are floating around that say the mask you’re wearing does virtually nothing to protect you, but it protects the other guy accurate. So if I’m wearing a mask, but others aren’t, I’m protecting these dipshits and they’re infecting me. We know that that’s an excellent summary of the three different kinds of masks that you should be aware of. The first mask is the mask that we all have access to. And that’s a mask that is, is, is basically, uh, it’s basically layers of, uh, ripped up t-shirt that’s been folded. Yeah. Yeah. And it turns out this is material’s important. So, so the material that you use is important. If you use like one ply of sill, it’s only about 20% effective, but if you use like five Plaza, so it gets about 80% effect. If you use it one or two plies of cotton, a flannel, it’ll be, you know, 60, 70%. If you use three or four plots, it’ll get about knitting, knitted, crochet with holes in it like Alyssa Milano. That’s not going to work. No, you do the hand, the hand to God do to hand to God. I went to Lowe’s the other day. And literally everybody in the store was wearing a mask, which I was really happy to see. Um, however, the guy that was running back and forth with carts, uh, that was one of the story. Employees just basically had like a big like cable knit with big, giant holes in it. Wool scarf wrapped around his head. And I was like, Oh, Oh, that’s not how this works. That’s not how any of this works, but Hey, good for trying good. So this, this is a typical man. I just, I just happened to have one here. And, and what you want to do is you want to put it over your ears and you want to, you want to talk it in. You want to pull it down this way underneath and make sure see how it, how it’s going to be in and out like that. And the reason it’s doing it is because you want to make a nice don’t, don’t do it like that. It could break the metal, but it’s like this. And that’s, that’s a pretty tight seal. You have a little bit coming out this way, but the idea is that you’re stopping your breath and the person who is wearing the mask on the other side is stopping their breath. And collectively you can reduce the amount of transition by up to six fold. Well, and then for, for people like me, that wear glasses, then you put your glasses on over that. And that’s what keeps it from fogging up. That’s right. No, that’s a, that’s a big issue. There, there, there are a couple of things you don’t want to do with the math, right? The first thing you don’t want to do with a mask is touch it particularly cause it’s blocking stuff. So you’d want it when you take it on long, you want to use your, you want to use it up here. I will just show you this, this, and I see a lot of people doing it. Cause it’s is not, is useless. I’ll just tell you all this stuff comes right through your nose and through your mucus membrane. So this is not very effective. I think the a, the best analogy I’ve seen is that’s the equivalent of wearing your pants, buckled around your thighs like that. Yeah. And when you take it off, you just come behind and I take it off and then you fold it down and you throw it out right away. I don’t, don’t put it down. And you were like, I’ve just done, but it doesn’t, you know, just throw it out. And you’re all set the same thing with gloves. I don’t know if I got any gloves, but you know how to put on an off gloves, right? I mean, what you do is you put them on very carefully when you take them off, um, you, you, you, you grab it from down. Uh, ah, I do have a glove hold everything. I’ll show you. So the walls can be useful if you don’t want to wash your hands all the time. So don’t, don’t lick your fingers and you’re pulling apart the fruit bags, right? If the grocery store do not be that guy in the produce aisle, Bob, no, you avoid it, but do not touch your face, right. Or cut the mask in the middle, like that lady at the gas station. Yeah. I see. I see people with like their, their mouth exposed and they’re no, no, they’re not from Victoria’s secret. They are not crotchless panties. It’s a mask you’re supposed to be taking this seriously. Yeah. And you know what? You’re having trouble with. The mask. Women are having trouble with the vests. They’re getting like, they’re getting, so I got my gloves on, right? The way, the way. So the way you pull them on, you put them on, hold on, all of your fingers, take them off. You just grab the bottom. Right. And you try to avoid touching anything else. And you just pull them up over your fingers. Right. Then you put that one in this hand, right over your fingers, right? Everything is, everything is one bundle and you throw it out. You’re done. But taking out and off this protective gear is really important. The doctors, you know, practice it. Sometimes we watch each other, make sure they haven’t touched and exposed themselves inadvertently. So that’s one type of mask. That’s the, that’s the first type of mask. The second type of mask is a surgical mask. The surgical mask is much more comfortable and it’s better. It’s about 75% effective and reducing, you know, uh, your, uh, your breath. Um, and it’s, uh, it’s more breathable. It works not by the density of this, of the, of the material. It works actually by electrostatic, uh, uh, uh, attraction. So it actually takes the molecules and, and, and pulls them into the fabric. Uh, and it also is in fact, more effective because it blocks liquid cause it’s made for blood. You know, if you’re a surgeon, if a surgeon gets splattered, uh, it blocks the liquid, uh, contamination, which is, which is also can be very helpful if you’re around a real sick person, the last kind of mass actually PR uh, and this is answering your question. This actually protects both you and the person across from you. It’s the [inaudible] baths. And the reason that it’s, that it’s, um, protects both of you is because it actually completely filters out. It’s got a filtration system and most, as long as there’s no available on it, but the ones with valves on it are much more comfortable for the user to wear, but that just push it, all the stuff that you’re exhaling right out into the environment. And that’s extremely dangerous, right. So, I mean, at the end of the day, like the cloth mask and that kind of stuff, that you’re, that you typically see everybody walking around in. Cause that’s what we have access to. And that’s what we can get our hands on it. That’s, I mean, his question is accurate. You’re you’re, you’re not wearing it for yourself. You’re wearing it for other people. That’s right. And so everyone’s wearing it, then everyone’s being fair and you know, you’re, you’re cool. If you’re, if you’re the only guy not wearing the mask, then you’re the guy being protected everywhere else. It’s not protected. Well, I mean, and it’s, and it’s turned into, I mean, there were, there were stories coming out of a, there, I know there was one that came out of Brooklyn. There were, then there were a couple others where somebody walked into a store with a mask and they were with, or without a mask and they were just drummed out of the store. Like, you know, people, you know, just basically just yelled at and ashamed of them until they left the store. Yeah. You know, in the, in the hospital, um, you know what, you don’t want to be that guy. Right? You don’t want to be the guy who was known as a super spreader because you forgot your mask or you’re not, you didn’t wear a wet mass is properly sealed. Uh, so initially, you know, the big, you know, we would, a lot of times you think, well, you know, I’ll be the tough guy and I’ll let the mask go. And I won’t have to, you know, I won’t, I won’t be the guy who uses too much. Right. He, cause I want to save it from the teams who are older or weak or not, but it doesn’t work that way. You gotta, you know, if everyone does it, you’re, you’re pretty safe. And if, if you’re exposed, unfortunately with someone who out, without a mask, you’re going to get exposed. It’s amazing how, uh, it’s amazing how society changes. Um, I forwarded David a video of a comedian, uh, Sebastian Maniscalco. And he’s talking about going to a neighbor’s house. Yeah. Back in 2014. Yeah. Yeah. And they answered those like four years ago and how they answered the door in a surgical mask. And he goes, usually if you got one of those meds done, you pull it down and say, I’m painting downstairs. And he goes, this guy nothing. And he goes complete freak of nature. And he goes, now you look at four years later and it’s like, you’re the freak of you don’t have one on, you know, it’s just amazing how fast society changes. Yeah. And you know, it’s all about your own personal risk, you know, the, the younger people, um, uh, you know, they’re not, they’re not as high risk as we are. And so a lot of them are, are not wearing masks and it doesn’t really, it’s not, they’re not really a big risk, but hopefully they’ll, if they’re kind to us, they care about us a little bit. They’ll, they’ll ask God for our basket. Well, and I guess that’s a, that’s a good followup to that. I mean, you know, let’s, I don’t, we’ve already, we went into everything last week, but I mean, so let’s, let’s about just the simple nature of all the protests that have been going on over the past couple of weeks. And, you know, we’ve, we’ve seen, uh, you know, there’s been an awful lot of video and an awful lot of footage. Um, somewhere you’ve seen a lot of people wearing mass. A lot of people are not wearing masks. You had, um, you know, a lot of people were, you know, blasting governor Whitmer, uh, because she was at a, you know, she went to a March, um, wasn’t standing six feet apart from each other, you know, did have a mask on, but wasn’t social distancing, all that kind of stuff. Um, so I mean, I guess what’s your, like, so like what should we be expecting from what we’ve seen over the last couple of weeks? And like, what, what should we be looking out for in the next couple of weeks and, and that sort of thing. Yeah. So it usually takes about two weeks of incubation and then you’ll find out whether there’s been a seat seeding effect with, with more infection, but usually it takes about two to three months to start the seed. And then the way the exponential growth works that we talked about last time you get enough of a base and all of a sudden it just starts to take off. Um, and, uh, and so, you know, it’ll take two or three weeks and we have a slight hump then watch out because we could be getting, uh, you know, into a spiral that is going to cause a rapid growth rate. And hopefully we’ll have enough testing out there that it’ll, you know, alert us to the fact that, Hey, we got a lot of communities spread and, uh, it turned out that we, uh, got into some super spreading situations with, uh, with, with the protest on the protest side. You know, I, sir, I certainly understand that if people want to go out and have their say, my recommendation would be, if you’re in category like me, uh, and you wrote anyone like go out, um, a couple of things, sort of drive yourself there, don’t tell you to take public transportation. Right. That right there now it’s, uh, actually, uh, is, is part of the issue. If you’re in an enclosed car for a long time, finally get to the event that’s sitting in, you know, uh, sitting in with lots of other people who are breathing, uh, in a bus. That’s not, that’s not a good thing. So I wouldn’t take a bus, you know, who would do the event, even though there are a lot of people doing that, uh, at my age, I also, uh, would definitely wear a mask, definitely wear gloves. I would probably carry a sign. Wouldn’t take part in the chanting, uh, because, uh, there’s a lot when, when you’re chanting talking, you know, in order to get exposed, you have to know about, about a thousand to 3000 particles of, of, of, of the virus getting inside of you. Um, normal breathing is about 58, 50, 50, uh, particles, uh, for expert ex exploration. So after about five or six minutes, you know, you can be exposed talking to somebody. And if you’re shouting, uh, then you’re talking about, you know, maybe five to 10,000, especially if you’re using a lot of ages and stages and bees and you know, all the, all the things that everybody had, a microphone hates, all the plosives. Yeah. Whatever, whatever you’re saying, Oh boy, those kinds of words. Uh, and then certainly the, the, the big issue is if they start using, you know, tear gas that about to be my followup. Yep. Yeah. Then you really gotta be careful cause it can aggravate your lungs to begin with. You gotta take off your mask. You got a lot of people coughing and you got a lot. And when you cough, you’re talking about expirations of 50 miles an hour, that’ll go with, you know, 20, 30 feet. So, you know, uh, it’s a, it’s a, you know, it’s a big difference between shouting which goes 10 feet, uh, versus versus coughing, which goes a lot further. Uh, and, and the other thing I’d say is, uh, you sure don’t want to be arrested and put into Patty wagon with 30 other guys and then put, put into jail, avoid that at all. I feel like that’s good life advice, Fred. I feel like I forgot his name. My wife loves that show. The guy who runs the tigers. Oh, a Joe Maldonado, Joe exotic. Yeah. Yeah. Well exotic. Yeah. I mean, it’s it, you know, if you’re in prison, it’s, it’s a dangerous situation in there cause it’s just, you’re sitting there in a germ box. So those are most of my thoughts about, about protesting, you know, take a sign, don’t get into shouting, take, take, take your six feet. If you can, if you get started being crowded down, you can’t, and you can’t avoid getting crowded down. I’d probably avoid that situation. I probably wouldn’t, you know, I’d probably say, okay, you know, I’ve had my say, I’m on, I’m off where I, I I’d move around into a different area where I had more space. I could still, you know, do you might say, say my thing and do my, do my thing. Uh, bring hand sanitizers. Cause you’re going to want to shake hands. You’re going to want to touch your face. You’re going to be hot. Uh, bring, bring, uh, if you’re going to wear a mask to make sure you, uh, use, uh, use, uh, a good SPF, uh, on your, on your skin, because you don’t want to get skin cancer, but also you don’t also don’t want to get what they call a mask. You don’t look like you’ve gone 10 line. Yeah. The mask rings. You don’t want that. And if you’re having, if you’re having trouble with your math, you know, you’re getting a lot of people are getting what they call Mac Mackney, you know, we got a little bit acne coming up from there. Uh, uh, if you’re a woman don’t use, uh, oily, oily cosmetics, if you can avoid it. And if you’re man or women, uh, try to use, uh, try to avoid synthetic fabrics, a lot of these fancy synthetic fabrics, aren’t, aren’t nearly as breathable. And then they cause a lot of, uh, irritation to your skin. More, more so than you’d think. And unfortunately, I think we’re going to be with a mass situation for over a year really well. So, and I guess so there’s, I guess there’s a good question. We touched on this a little bit last time, but it was still pretty early in the game and the weather hadn’t changed as much has anything further come out. I mean, cause you know, so it was nice and cool yesterday and today we’re going to be climbing up into the nineties for the next three days. Has there been any more data that you’re aware of? That’s come out about how, you know, Hey, the flu goes away when it gets warm. So I mean, you know, has there been anything more discovered about that in relation to the weather or with this in relation to the weather? So they are doing really fancy studies now to look at all sorts of modeling, uh, around the weather. And um, so, uh, originally we thought over 77 degrees Fahrenheit was going to be a better period of time than under 77. We thought 77 was a special number. That was the, who was the original number with the temperature humidity makes a big difference. Cause the virus doesn’t travel as far and human weather as it does. You know, if you cough cause the is have, yeah, it makes sense trapped in the moisture of the air. So it actually reduces the amount of distance almost to a foot instead of 16. Yeah. But I’m, I’m not a fan of humidity, but I guess it serves a purpose when you actually do the, the numbers. Um, it turns out that the biggest factor is how many susceptible people you’ve got out there. You’ve got a lot of people who are susceptible and this is a novel layer. So most of us are still susceptible. Then that’s going to overwhelm almost any other factor in the models that we’re creating. Gotcha. Once you start to get, you know, close to her immunity and you start to get a weather impact, then you’re starting to get there. Then you’d have some opportunity. But right now we think it’s about 0.05 are. So it was just a little bit, the amount of transmission that’s our best guess. Right. So like, you know, the, I guess, you know, the, the parties you saw, like in the Ozarks, you know, in that kind of stuff where you had hundreds, I mean, yeah, granted it was nice and hot outside, but you had hundreds of people gathering around the pools and that kind of stuff and just going crazy. Yeah. Granted, most of them were young, but still, probably not the best idea. No, no, that, that, that’s a real superstar of it. He goes, the problem is then you go and visit grandma. Right, right. Or the neighborhood let’s go. And then, then you, then you go to the nursing home and then you, then you have a big belt. Yeah. Those are super spreader events. Uh, and we’ll, we’ll probably, usually you can see what’s interesting is our, our testing technology is pretty sensitive now and you can see that the effect of our, of those little events. So I, uh, we, we had our, uh, you know, when people were getting Nancy and they, they, they went and they demonstrated it at the, uh, uh, at the blood chasers. Let’s, we’re going to open up now, but believe it or not, a day later, we actually could see, uh, you know, it took about two or three days for that, that, that, that to sort of push back down again. Uh, so those, those events do, do make a slight difference. Uh, now there were lots of other people out there. So that was, it was, it was the first nice day of the spring. So there were a lot of people that do out and about, I just remember it cause of that day that, uh, there are some events that can really make a difference. For example, they shut down Korea. Now Korea has a different philosophy about, about the three different philosophies that government can have basically about what they want to do with coronavirus. Right? The first is they want to, um, they, they want to contain the virus. And so Korea, Taiwan, China, those guys are actually trying to contain virus, which means if you get, if you get exposed, you know, you’re supposed to quarantine immediately supposed to announce all the contacts you’ve had. They’ve got electronic medical, they got electronic records in Israel looking actually you go find where you’ve been, who you’ve been with and announced to everybody, you know, this person is ill. So be careful. Well, um, and then there’s suppression, which we’re doing in most of the States. And there’s some who just like Sweden, who were saying, you know, we’re just going to let it go, let it rip, see what happens. Uh, so those are the three different processes when Korea who was trying to actually contain the virus, had that one guy. Remember that one guy who found out two days later after they opened up, you went to three big nightclubs. They shut down the whole country for a few days. So, so the cause they’re trying to avoid those super spreader events. Uh, so that, that’s a, that’s a sort of a different philosophy, but that’s what happens in those safe hunters yet. I was going to say, so kind of, so like, you know, the like New Zealand, you know, kind of did the same thing and they just made the big announcement today. Hey, life is back to normal as of today. No more social distancing rules, no more, any of that stuff, I guess like what, what did they do that was so different from us other than they’re way, way smaller, but we can’t get there so easily. They’re way down there. I mean, that didn’t really help Manhattan. We got bridges, New Zealand. So yes. So what New Zealand did is they made a couple mistakes early on, but they very quickly decided we’re going to go with containment. We’re going to not allow anyone on the Island or off the Island period. And they’re still not letting anyone off or off the Island. You have to come in from Australia being in Australia and even come on in New Zealand. So,

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What is happening? Welcome to the one and only it in the D show in your house version. This is episode three 48 broadcasting live from our homes. This is Bob, the sales guy. That is Dave the geek. I do the Twitters is doing the Twitter is find us online @itinthed.com and do us a favor, give us a like on the socials and subscribe to us everywhere. Fine podcasts are sold. Yeah.     And again, as for usual, we’re usually, this is where we usually talk about the events and stuff we have coming up. There are none, although we might be getting close. Um, we’re going to see how, uh, apparently up North it goes, uh, and around the Trevor city area that just got opened up, uh, where bars and restaurants can open up at 50% capacity and that kind of stuff today. So hopefully, uh, in the near future we will be able to talk about our events in the NRA, Metro Detroit area. Cause we miss. Wow. We miss most of you. There are some of you, let’s be honest, we don’t, we don’t miss all of you, but we miss some of you breaking news, breaking news. There’s, I just got a page. Um, your Facebook avatar looks nothing like you and your stupid stop. I, I like, am I the only one like the mother of the one that remembers a Bitmoji and those bits strip things emoji. And it looks so much more a year. It wasn’t that long ago. That’s what I mean. Like it’s like, it’s like why is this, why is that a thing everywhere? Like I don’t like, well I know I do cause people are bored as shit and they got nothing else to do, so why not? Well, Bitmoji is on by Snapchat. So in order to compete for one thing, here’s the thing, like most of the people tried and it was like, ah, I have one friend that was like blue hair girl, pig tail fat. Like you know, like that’s my boy. Right. Stephanie’s looked really good. Well I think it was a, who was it? Beth Beth Mosley who just said, you know, she put hers out there. She’s like, I am not making myself fat. This, this is my, this is my avatar. She’s like, I’m not making myself fat. Get outta here. No. And that’s, that’s the beauty of this stuff. It takes about, you know, this happens what on Sunday where this madness starts and it takes up until Sunday at two o’clock, eight before I call it out, where I’m like, I’m done be before the anti ones come out. Like Homer go under my avatar, Homer sitting at the bar with all the avatars around him. Yeah. It’s like literally you have to just wait for like our people to come out like two hours. Well, and like I said, I mean it dude, I get it. Like everybody’s bored as shit and it’s something stupid and entertaining. Have your fun. It is what it is. It’s, you know, to me it’s no different than sharing a meme or anything dumb like that, which I mean God knows I share enough of, um, yeah, I, I just, I don’t like, I like, I will say this like I can’t, cause there were, there were some people that like literally had a lot of like venom and vitriol about the entire thing that I don’t get. Like, dude, just like let, let, let people enjoy their things. Like if I got mad about X, I saw a couple of things. Like people got mad. Yeah. There were, there were a few, hold on. Is it like two people on Twitter and then it turns into a Buzzfeed article. Oh, you know, yeah. No, it wasn’t a ton of people. It was like I said, but there were a few people that got like, like not us snarky, but like seriously snarky about it. Um, and got kind of shitty with people about them. And it was, eh, you know, it was just like, let people enjoy the things. It’s, and it’s, and you know, when we do, yes. Like we posted a meme about it. Well that’s us. We will openly mock our friends. That’s who, that’s what friends do in our world. If we’re not poking at you, you’re probably not on our radar at all. Like for example, Randy’s new nickname, if you’re not aware yet, Bob, um, is sparkle donkey. Uh, uh, a friend of mine posted that she found this, this booth, this tequila is out there. There’s a brain of tequila called sparkle donkey. And I’m like, Nope, absolutely not. I was like, I’m like, that’s, that’s Randy’s new nickname. He’s now sparkled donkey from Noah and it’s not funny anymore. I’m still laughing in my head. That’s, that’s still a thing. Uh, yeah, no. So I, uh, the one thing that I thought was interesting just cause we’ve talked about it a bunch of times over the past few weeks is, um, so stranger things was like the reigning King of streaming services, um, for views and watches and all that stuff for the longest time. Um, and they are now number three on the list. Um, as far as most viewed series of all time, uh, behind clone Wars, uh, and the Mandalorian. Yeah, I was surprised that clone Wars overtook it because it was, it, it wasn’t that popular live, was it not? No, it was, but dude, it, it, it blew up once it once Disney plot, like once Disney plus was out and people like burned through the movies and they were like, okay, I, I dude, I did, I didn’t watch it when it was live, but like I burned through the couple of movies I wanted to watch and I burned through all their Marvel stuff and I’m like, you know what, I kept hearing that was okay, watch it. And so I started watching it. I was like, Holy shit, this is amazing. And I started talking to people into watching it and other people started talking people into watching it and that’s why it kind of blew up. Yeah. I’m watching it now. Yep. I just started episode four right before or season four right before the show started. So it is, I mean, it’s just, it’s such a great, it’s such a great tie between two and three. Um, and do it in Randy, especially like when you get to this, this current season, the last four episodes of this current season should have been a movie like it was, it’s just ridiculous how great they are. And I think people are just so starved for content now. I mean, if you look at Netflix, what is it wrong? Molly is like the number one movie on Netflix right now. The uh, Dave spade. Um, totally the worst ending of any movie I’ve ever seen in my life. Haven’t watched it. I did, I did finally sit down. And so I feel like I’m a week behind you now. Like, so like last week you were talking about that Hollywood show, I sat down and watched that. Um, this week, uh, you threw out a, what was the one you threw out? Oh, hanger one. Yeah, so a hanger one. Um, I watched the first episode, so I haven’t gotten that deep into that one yet. Um, but for that one part, yeah, the part that’s in the preview, it’s only reason I watched it. Yeah. I’ll talk about that in a little bit. But like I am, I am a kind of, I was kind of ecstatic to see live sports on TV this weekend. Where are you? Where are you? Yeah. I had no idea what [inaudible] was or whatever the hell it was. I got nothing. I got, so the Germans started with live soccer this weekend in an empty arena. Um, the, the, the players on the bench were three seats apart. And um, now did they do, did they do what Korea did and fill the state or China fill the stadium with sex dolls? No, dude, that was the story. They actually had to issue an apology. Like the cartoon ones are like the $8,000 ones. Oh, I, I’m hoping the cartoon ones that blow up, I’m guessing, I’m guessing, I’m guessing the blowup version, not the real doll version. Yes. Here’s the thing. I was so starved for it. I watched, I watched both games. Um, but I’m not gonna lie, it was no different than watching like the Carpathia at team, at ultimate in Pontiac. Gotcha. Like, hear me out here. I, I didn’t want it. This was my take on it. I don’t want to give people an ego, because I hear all the time about like, Detroit lions fans, especially talking about how we need to be positive. Our team needs us, and I’m not gonna lie like it needs the fans. Like, I don’t want to give anyone an ego, don’t get me wrong. But like, you can’t, it’s so unwatchable with an empty arena. Even though, even though the soccer was on such a higher level and it was such a, you could tell it was better, right? It was unwatchable won’t do it. I mean, I mean, think about it. I mean, I don’t care if it’s, I don’t care what sport it is. Like you, you can’t, you know, a good chunk of the game is the crowd reaction to what’s happening on the field or on the ice or on the court or, you know, whatever else. I mean, that’s, that’s, that’s a huge part of the experience. And so without that there, yeah, I mean, is it, is it even really happening? It’s like a standup comic without a crowd laughing like, Oh God. Speaking of which, like I’ve seen like an Ellen, uh, our engineer, God bless her, um, you know, was talking about how there’s a couple of, um, like zoom open mic nights that are going on and how, you know, it’s, it’s OK. It’s, but it’s, it’s, it’s rough because you’re basically talking to whoever’s in the zoom room with you. Um, and it’s not, you know, a, it’s not a bar. It’s not people sitting there drinking and listening to you, you know, work on your material and crack jokes and all that kind of stuff. Um, but I mean, you know, I guess taking it a step further, you know, that article you threw out about major league baseball and, and the rules that there or that, I guess, I guess it’s a first draft and it’s subject to revision and changes, but do the rules that are, that are in that proposal are instant. Like they’re almost as bad as the rules for bars opening up. I want to go through this because my comment was new mop rules. Dot dot, dot. This shit is stupid and it says go with like high school ball and it’s going to look less than high school ball. Um, you basically can’t take showers at the ballpark. Um, you need to show up dressed in your uniform. So basically got to put on your tigers uniform at home and show up with your cleats on. So it’s, it’s back to, you know, when you’re kids and, and you gotta you gotta get out of mom and dad’s car all suited up and ready to go. Yeah. Right. Um, you can’t, you can’t eat at restaurants done road trips. Um, and not even at the hotel you’re staying in. No mascots on the field. I thought that was weird. Isn’t that like the ultimate like sheet like face mask shields? Yeah. You’re in a giant suit. You’re having a furry costume on. Know that’s not good enough. But see, here’s the thing that gets the trisomy nuts as they’re going through someone in to sit in a meeting and go through these things. You can’t exchange lineup cards. No high fives or fist bumps. No bad boys or bad girls. There’s a 67 page draft of this. Basically, if you’re, if you’re in the dugout, you gotta be wearing a mask. Great spitting is prohibited. No water jugs, no steam rooms. Um, you can’t hit in the indoor cages. Um, batting clubs are encouraged, which were many way, um, disinfected telephones in the dugouts. You can’t, every time they’re used, every time they’re used, right, you can’t touch your face to give signs and you’re not allowed to lick your fingers. So pitching, I mean, that’s, if you want to lick his fingers every pitch for grit. Um, I this, I don’t even want to watch kiss my ass MLB. I love baseball, but no, like I said, I mean it’s, it’s almost as you know, I’ve seen some of the, um, you know, the posts from where bars and restaurants are opening in that kind of stuff. And, and the sad reality is a lot of these people, you’ve almost gotta be like Tim, the tool man, Taylor, to reopen your bar cause you got to create these, you know, plexiglass shields around the bar that, you know and, and all that kind of stuff. And you know, Oh my God, I got ’em, I went to Tim Horton’s today after physical therapy and I got served at like the, the church basket. You know what I’m talking about? The collection, the collection bucket and select my coffee and donut comes out and a little basket goes in my car and I pick up my coffee and I’m like, come on, just give me my goddamn collecting. Is it a souvenir basket? Do you get to keep the basket? I think that it was made for this. It’s like two cup holders and like then like then like the thing in the middle for your credit card or money. So this is not going to be, although the one thing I feel like all, I’m waiting for all of the, uh, cause you know, this is going to happen. All the liquor and beer distributors are going to have like branded face masks sitting there waiting for bars to open. But marketing’s dream. Um, not only that, like did you see the thing about tennis? Like apparently like this is this, it’s the meetings. It’s not, again, walk, walk me through the boardroom conversation that led to this. Yeah, basically. So the, the, is it long Island? Uh, basically yeah, you can go play tennis again. Um, but then she made some joke that everybody’s making fun of her about saying you can kick, you can kick their balls, would you can’t touch them. Okay. Pooky. Um, but like you can’t, you can’t, like when you like you can’t pick up. Like how do you figure out who to pick up the ball? Like is it like not it or is it like tag like, okay, I touched it last so I can pick it up. Is that how that works? Right. Then what happens if like you have to do like a, like a soccer kick flip to get the ball up in the air again? Like why even bother playing anymore? Like, yeah, and I mean, and that’s, and that’s the thing, I mean, I do like at some, and this is the thing that I think a lot of bars and restaurants are going to go through, um, is at what point is it worth it to open and get running? I mean, I, I was having this conversation with, uh, you know, Jamie and Matt about the, you know, the Northville studios in the Royal Oak studios and, and that kind of stuff where, you know, just thinking through like, no, like I don’t think we’re going to go back to having four studios up and running with, you know, with full capacity and you know, people waiting in the waiting rooms and, and all that kind of stuff going on. I don’t think that’s going to be a thing for awhile. And so is it worth it? You listen to it. So you know James rogano, right? The guy who owns me, Greg put out a great Facebook post like an hour ago. I just read it while I was doing notes. Um, I just want to read it real quick. So put the hammer home on restaurants. Bars, right. Is it giving, giving Northern Michigan restaurants four days to figure out how to reopen their limited capacity with barely any guidelines. Bring back staff, adjust all safety protocols, order product prep, stock inventory and prepare for 80 degrees, 80 degrees. Sunny Memorial day weekend is a cruel continuation of his never storm. I’m not was, I’m not into politics. Just reminding everyone that restaurants survive miracles as it is patient. Be kind and understanding what those who were parents serve your food, be safe and take care of like, dude, that was, that was my point when I was in a conversation. I was in a conversation earlier today about that and I’m like, look, like, I don’t know, like can you get a bar or restaurant open? I mean bars like especially like, like little townie bars in that kind of stuff. Easy enough. But I mean like bars and rest, like bars and restaurants where like can you go from zero to even 50% open in four days? I mean, cause you do, you have to figure it, you gotta get your staff back. If you know, if they haven’t been around you gotta you know, and, and are they going to want to come back, you know, like are they feeling safe or they’re going to sit back and you know, and, and take the PUE bonus, you know, and, and all that stuff on unemployment. Can you get inventory? Can you get, you know, food delivered? Can you get, you know, and by the, Oh, by the way, do you have the money still sitting in the bank to get inventory and shit delivered to you? Um, I mean it’s, there, there’s a lot of PPE supplies. I mean there’s, there’s a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Those bars and restaurants are going to be relying on those distributors to have that branded shit out there. I mean, that’s the thing. They had to throw away all the food. They got to dump all the drafts. They sold back all of their liquor. I actually know if you read the articles, not a lot of places took a, took the state up on that. Yeah. Cause I mean it’s like liquors not like Bo liquor’s not like beer. It doesn’t go back. Um, so I mean a lot, you know, so yeah. I mean you’ve got, uh, you know, there’s a huge issue with, um, all the God what was like a hundred million dollars in draft beer just in the state of Michigan that was going to be, you know, basically destroyed as a result of this. Um, but yeah, no booze. I don’t see that being an issue. But yeah, no, I mean I, I just, like I said, just being able to get stock and inventory and all that kind of crap up and running and, and it’s not just cause again, it’s not just you, you’re relying on, you’re relying on your distributors and suppliers to have been open and have the staff and have the inventory themselves to deliver to you. Wendy’s. Wendy’s is out of beef for crying out loud. So you’re just like Joe Schmo burger bar. Wendy’s is going to have precedence over your ass. Well, it’s, and that’s like, that’s been my, that’s been my bang, my head against the wall moment through all of the conversations that I’ve been on is, is people that just don’t understand the ripple effect that, that this stuff has. You know, it’s, it’s not just, Oh, okay, get it cool. Like you, you want to go to X store or you want to go get a haircut or you want to go to, you know, and we all want to go to a bar, but it’s not just about your choice, your decision, your life, your health. It is okay now that place has to be open and it has to be there. Management and owners and staff that have to be willing to go in and do that kind of stuff. Plus when restaurants closed, a lot of suppliers pivoted to serve in direct to customers, pivot back in time for all these restaurants. And then, and then it’s, you know, it’s so, it’s not just, and then it’s even like a hair. You got to get, you know, I mean there’s, can you think of a more close quarters, you know, job than being a hairstylist. I mean, it’s, you know, you’re basically hovering over somebody and touching somebody the entire time, but, and they have to have product, which means, and it’s going to, same thing with a restaurant. You’ve got a bar, you’ve got to have your suppliers and your distributors and all those people up and running fully that can get stuff to you to actually make it possible that you can open for sale. So now it’s all that staff and those people that have to make that decision to go back in. And so, I mean, it’s like I said, I mean that’s, that’s just been the, my biggest thing is people like, well, it’s my health, my choice, my body, which laughably I’m laughing at how many people are now pro choice but only about this. Um, but it’s, it, the, the, the arrogance slash cluelessness of not realizing what that means to other people is what drives me nuts. Did you see chef Bobby’s uh, Facebook this weekend? He had to, he was missing some bolts for cooking. He’s still catering and cooking throughout this. Oh yeah. Well yeah, he does. He does a lot of like delivery and I mean he does. Yeah, he does a lot of stuff like that always has for home Depot. What is like trying to get tickets for Pearl jam. And the sad part is, is he went to, he went, I think he said he went to three smaller hardware stores trying to find this very specialized bolt for a piece of equipment that he had that like wanted sheared off. And the only place that had it was home Depot and he wound up standing in line for like an hour and a half to buy that one 39 cent bolt or whatever the hell it was. Yeah. But I mean you think you talk about the social distancing. I saw the line, everyone’s standing on top of each other. Like it was like that stupid ATM machine, one with where they’re side by side, but there’s space back. Yeah, no, I mean, and honestly like one of the, I like, I, I will say this, I mean a lot of places have and as much as I hate this word, but they have pivoted, pivot, um, really, really well too. The curbside delivery and pickup and all that stuff. Like, you know, I’ve had to, Oh yeah, no, like I’ve had to. And even places like PetSmart where Hey, you know what, I needed dog food. I needed a, you know, I needed a couple of collars cause my dogs were assholes and shooed theirs up off each other. Um, and so, you know, I placed an order, boom, picked it up, done. Um, I’ve had to get a few things from best buy and, and it’s, you know, and it’s usually like the same. So the same morning I placed an order at, um, PetSmart and best buy, uh, within like five minutes of each other. And within a half an hour I had notifications from both that both were ready for pickup. Uh, and so cool. Drove up, made a quick phone call, Hey, this is me, this is my order book. This is where I am. PetSmart came out, put it in the back of my car. Danks gone, um, pulled up to best buy. Hey, what’s your name? What’s your order number? This did it. Cool. Pull up to that thing, pulled up to that thing. Somebody walked out, here’s your bag stuff. Off you go. Like, it’s, it’s like, it’s phenomenal. It’s almost as good as online shopping now. I can’t believe I got a shipped order on Sunday. I’m not going to lie, like, literally like within an hour and a half. Like I must’ve struck gold. That stuff’s really loosened up a lot. It’s, it’s nowhere near as bad as it was a few weeks ago. Um, although I will say this, I was, I was a heavy shift user. Like a, you know how much I’ve talked about it over the years. I’ve completely switched over to Instacart. I, I think it’s a much better app. It’s a much better program and they do the same stores and more as Instacart does. Um, and like I love the INAP like you can basically see when they check stuff off that they’ve picked it up and it’s in app messaging instead of them sending you a text message and you having to like text message them back and all that stuff. It’s all in app. I, I, I’m, I’m an Instacart can convert. You get the Aldi’s. That’s why I don’t get no for dude, it’s for Meyer. Yeah. No, I mean Instacart does Meyer, they do target. They do like all those places that ship does, Instacart does and more, you know, a business we need to get into the uh, taking back bottles after this shit’s over. That is a crazy eight bags of bottles down in her basement and we’re just waiting for them. The current estimate is that there are $50 million in returnables sitting in Michigan homes right now in bottles and cans. Well, I mean, here’s the thing, when they open up the stores and they open up recycling, everybody’s going to rush to dig this shit back and the stores aren’t equipped and the beer trucks and pop trucks aren’t equipped to take that much back. Nope. I don’t know what they are going to. Well dude, I’ve, I’ve seen posts in, you know, some of the, uh, like the, the Clinton township groups and, and some of the other like McComb County where people are offering to buy, um, like buy your returnables at like anywhere from two to 5 cents a can just so like, okay, you’re like, you get them out of your house, they have them and then they’ll sit on them until they can return them for 10 cents a piece. A Ferndale marching band, enough drive where they were collecting them and storing them, but they ran out of places to store them so they cut their drive short. Yeah, I would do it for charity, for fundraisers out. I would probably just give it to them at this point. What could you possibly have in your house? Eight bags. That, is that even a $20 bill, Randy? Oh, yeah. Oh, probably be upwards of 35, $40. No. Alright. I mean, once it gets to that point, yeah, it’s kind of, you donate it or do you even miss it at this point? So, I mean, we didn’t, uh, you know, we didn’t talk about, I mean, there was, you know, addition, you know, with all the, you know, things opening in that kind of stuff. Part of the reason why things are opening is because numbers are dropping. Uh, you know, the, uh, the Detroit, uh, basically Detroit did not have, uh, a covert related death for the first time yesterday. That’s a bonus. Uh, they also announced that the Cobo hall, uh, or TCF or whatever you want, whatever it is now, uh, it’s Covo is, uh, um, that has now been decommissioned, um, as an emergency hospital location, uh, for covert patients. So, I mean, let’s, that’s good news. I mean, it’s, you know, it’s nice to see things are dropping. Um, and hopefully once wave two kicks in. Well, and hopefully it, you know, it stays that way. And, and it’s, you know, that’s, that’s a thing cause, well, I mean, you think back to, you know, when we had Fred Brown on and, and that whole thing, you know, yeah, there do, there are going to be other waves of this stuff, but they’re, they shouldn’t be anywhere nearly as, you know, uh, as much of a tsunami as, as this was like a, you know, hopefully it’ll be more manageable and like the perfect storm, like our, our work, um, managers were allowed to come back today, come back today we’re, we’re considered a central business. So we were never on shutdown. We could have had work, um, you know, and then were asked to like to come in and one entrance into the, we’re asked to checkerboard. We’re not asked to sit next to people. Um, you know, but here’s the thing, there’s rules, but there’s, it’s the perfect summary of this thing is there, you can come back but you don’t have to, but we encourage it. But it’s okay if you don’t opening plan in general. Right. Um, here’s the deal. These are the guidelines for the guidelines, for the regulations that we’re going to guidelines and have suggestions about how you should do things. And if you do them, that’s great. And if you don’t do them well, it’s okay because you can still do this. But those are the guidelines and the suggestions of how we suggest that things are going through this plan. Thank you. Esquire. No, but it’s, it’s true. Like, you know, people are coming back and like the place is probably more sanitary than a hospital at this point in the game. Um, the food now, cause we used to have, uh, like a little cafe in the building, knowledge is grabbing, goes, everything’s grabbing go, right. So every day is like one day Jimmy, John’s next day is, is, is Cloverleaf pizza or something, grab and go boxes for people. Um, so they’re not, they’re not doing the salad bar that, so they haven’t even had, they haven’t even brought in like their own cooks and stuff yet. It’s still all bring it in and farm it out. Yeah. Well yeah, literally it’s all grab and go. Like I don’t even know if the salad bar is ever going to open it. Like that stuff. So used to have, we had, um, we used to have like a sandwich bar and a burger bar. I remember from the couple of walkthroughs we did. Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. Um, I don’t, you know, we had like a little small, like a seven 11 store with like fresh fruit and stuff. That’s, you know, but it’s all grabbing. So, but like, yeah, there’s restrictions, but they’re not like don’t fill the meeting rooms, but you can, but don’t. And well, I mean, and that’s just, I mean, from our perspective, that’s one of the things I’ve been taught cause I had to do it. I get every show I run, I get asked by show hosts when the studios are opening up again. Um, and you know, like one of the things I’ve talked about is like, look, you know what, yeah, we’re probably not going to have eight people sitting in a room anymore like that. Like at least not for a while. Like while we figure all this stuff out, um, and like zoom has presented itself as a great way to kind of get away from that. Cause we have, you know, we’ve got big screens in all of the studios. Um, there’s no why you can’t have, you know, one, two, three, however many people come in, in this format and have them up on the screen, you can see them, they can say you, they’re a part of the conversation and all that stuff. Is that ideal? No. Um, but it’s, it’s, it’s probably smart, at least at first, as we’re getting up and running originally. Well, we’re a, we’re getting bugged. I’m on the board of a HOA. Don’t ever make fun of me about it. Dude, Soma, you know this. Yay. Yeah. Um, and we’ve been getting bugged about opening the pool and like talking about draining it and this and that. And I’m like, I’m sitting there chatting with their texted, just go by like $30. No, just go buy like $30 worth of Twix bars and like throw one in there and just keep the amount of chlorine in that pool can kill pants. Right. Well, no, and that’s, that’s actually one of the things I talked about like, uh, my, uh, you know, cause I’ve, I’ve, you know, I’ve got a salt water pool and that’s one of the things I talked about with, with her was, um, yeah, I mean the chlorine levels, like, no, you don’t really have to worry about anything. Like, so basically what I could do is I could have, I can have a huge gathering of people at my house, but we all have to be in the pool and like, yeah, we just, everybody stays in the water and then you can hug and you can, like, you can shake hands and you can be close to everybody there. Um, but then as soon as you’re out, you have to be socially distant. Like, that’s, that’s how that, yeah, that’s a thing that there’s someone like at the end of the summer, every year my kid’s hair is like green, like the joker. Like it’s not even being funny, but like, I, you know, the, the question came about, my answer was, Hey, whatever the CDC guidelines are at the time, we’ll abide by them. Like, I have nothing else. I’m not going to go over and above and I’m not going to go under and above. I’m just going to whatever the government, whatever, they’ll help people say like, I’m not a health people, whatever, whatever they say, dude, it’s our, it’s our standard. It’s our standard answer. I am not an expert. Don’t ever accuse me of being one. I, yeah. I’m going to let the people that actually know what the hell they’re talking about. Go ahead and tell me when I should be okay to do crap and then I’ll listen. Yeah. I mean, um, you know, to, in like going back to work, like Twitter figured out like that’s where I was going to hit. Yeah. Twitter, basically the CEO came out and said, ah, yeah, you can just work from home forever if you want. Yeah. Um, okay. Like, you know, again, you can come back to work, but you can’t, like, I know that there’s a, there’s a company I know, um, Amazon, uh, cloud, uh, dev shop in Ann Arbor. They got like 20 employees. They got a space for about 60. Um, they wouldn’t give him any rent relief. We, we can’t close any deals or businesses down, you know, and we’re like, okay, everyone’s just going to work from home until we find new space. Yeah. And they canceled the lease. So it’s like, and it’s, someone else canceled on them too. So it’s like as a landlord, I mean, you gotta give like you seriously not giving people Do it. I mean, I got, so, I mean, we got really lucky. I mean, the, the old man in Royal Oak was, I mean, he reached out to me when this first happened, um, you know, and basically dropped everything way, way down. Um, he is like, yeah, he is. Well, and, and that was the thing. He’s like, you know, you guys have been here for, you know, we gotta, we’ve been there for four years now, four years now. Um, and he’s like, you know, you’ve always been great and yet 80 yada. And he’s like, he’s like, I get it. He’s like, you know, obviously you’re not going to have people in, uh, you know, Greg, the pizza guy apparently, you know, he’s still doing a lot of takeout business and killing it that way and more power to him. So, Hey, if you’re in the Royal Oak area, Polato to pizza, get your ass there, order some goddamned pizzas and go support the guy. Um, so yeah, I mean it’s a, you know, it’s, it’s a weird situation right now and I, and I do, I think, you know, a lot of people are in that same boat where they don’t really know what to do. But I think like, like DSE, like DSC, I think was really, really smart. Um, like as soon as like the day this crap all came down, like they got themselves queued up and in line for every grant, every, you know, thing, whatever. So like they haven’t even, like, they haven’t charged people rent during this entire nonsense at all. You know, any of that. They basically got their utilities cut way down, um, and all that stuff. Like they were really proactive and smart about it. And, and I think, I think that’s the, that’s almost one of the delineating factors, um, install this stuff is people who kind of saw what was coming and then reacted and adapted quickly to it. And then people that got caught flat footed by it and now don’t know what to do. And speaking of DSC, they’re opening back up soon, right? They are, they are a curbside, I believe, uh, Wednesday, the 20th they’re supposed to be, they’re opening up with, um, coop and brew ho to start with. Um, so, you know, chef max and his Caribbean food and then, uh, Petros and, uh, the taco joint. Um, so those are gonna be opening up first, I believe. In fact, I’m supposed to be heading down there either tomorrow or Wednesday. We’re still trying to figure it out, or maybe even Thursday just to like yak with them. They want to do a, like a series of videos of like, Hey, you know, maybe with like Genevieve from Bangkok, here’s how you make a pad Thai roll at home and that kind of stuff. Um, just to, you know, give them something to do. Um, but yeah, I mean it’s, and so, yeah, I’m, I’m looking forward to that, starting to open up and, and you know, I’ve been having conversations with them all along where, and that’s one of the conversations we had. Like, dude, like those big tables are probably going to have to go, like, you’re probably gonna need to like literally cut those in half and, and bring the other half store the other half outside or put it like under the 10 out there or whatever. Um, cause I mean, it’s gonna be a minute before I’m ready to sit down at a table with 20 random strangers, you know, during, you know, drinking and eating and all that kind of stuff. I’ll do it. Yeah. With your canter Vernors and your, you’ll be fine. Yeah. Yeah. It makes everything healthy. Um, so, you know, here’s the thing, when stuff like this goes on, you always wonder what measures the or what’s the government doing right now? Like behind our backs. Like we always talk about that when some, when people, when society is talking about something stupid, they’re always passing some bill at midnight on Sunday while we’re arguing about Facebook avatars. Um, well Senate just the Senate just did something this past weekend. Um, basically, uh, they passed a measure that would let the FBI collect, uh, your web browsing history without a warrant. I thought it got nuked in the house though, but doesn’t stop shadiness of the Senate. It was written backwards in the Senate. It was like there was three different ways you read it and it was written backwards. Like it’s always that when you vote for something as like the won’t, will not net shall Shantz the shall not shall. Yeah. Well that’s, and that’s dude, that’s like any legislation like this, this whole bullshit with like the stimulus packages. Like why is it not like to be, why isn’t it a resume? Why isn’t it two pages max? Nice, simple, easy language. Hey, we’re going to send money to people and we’re going to send some money to businesses and here’s as clean, transparent as it needs to be. Go right. It was harder to find or harder to hide pork barrel and those kinds of bills because they got to give Skippy $14 cause he helped out the campaign. Right? 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Um, and people are like, like I thought the people getting mad about the avatar thing was stupid, but people getting angry that too can say it cause to, can Sam, you even remember him with the beak, uh, that, you know, you would talk like this. Well now, now, so now apparently it’s a beak with like a mouth and on his face. Yeah. So it’s, it doesn’t look very birdish. It’s very weirdly anthropomorphized and it’s just, it’s like, it’s, it’s, I, I like, I admit that it’s kind of creepy and weird, but it’s not like I didn’t know there were two cans to him, aficionados like that. Like if you’ve seen the new Shira cartoon on Netflix or the new Thundercats rawer cartoon, he’s kind of drawn in that style now. It’s, it’s just weird. Like when’s the last time you seen a goddamn fruit loops commercial? Follow my nose always knows who gives a shit. I mean, let’s be real. When’s the last time I saw a commercial? I mean, you know what, boy caught and buying a goddamn fruity O’s or whatever. Right. Um, what was I going to talk about before? Um, no, of course. So there’s another, there was a good story and it’s, it’s kind of weird watching this evolve. So basically, hackers breached a law firm, uh, that have a lot of entertainment clients. And the build, uh, was kind of weird. Like, so a couple of weeks ago it started with, Hey, we’re going to release all this information about lady Gaga to start. And then they released it and it’s basically like her entertainment contracts and her writers and like a couple of like payments to this artist and that are like, like nothing, like no real bombshells. And then they started issuing like, Oh, we’re going to, you know, we’re going to expose Trump and we’re gonna, you know, we’ve got all this dirt on them and that kind of stuff. And so they re they released like, you know, the first step. And it’s basically just emails that mentioned his name and that kind of like, he’s like, Trump has never been a client of this law firm. So whatever. Um, there were some rumors that the nondisclosure agreements, uh, covering some of those hush money payoffs may be a part of what this law firm held. Um, but it was another ransomware attack and it originally it was $21 million that they wanted and they jumped it up to $42 million. Uh, and uh, you know, the, what they released about Trump didn’t really seem all that Sisley and I don’t really think it helped their cause. Um, and yeah, so I just, it’s weird. Like I don’t really know where this one’s going to go after, after all the fat burning releases, when you basically saw everybody’s butt hole in Hollywood, I don’t think he cares more that just like when you’re doing, when you do your head shot, now you do a butthole shot, one fruit, one frontal, one profile. All right, go ahead and bend over. We’ll get that one out of the way and then, yeah, yeah, it was my left Nicole gone like, you know, I mean, give me a break though. The one thing that I’m getting, here’s the, we’re all stuck with Facebook. It is what it is until something else comes out that changes it. Right? Like this is the thing, I don’t get it. You know, and then I think they’re banning groups now that are like anything anti messaging. Like, so there was a, I’m against the corn, I’m against the, uh, the state of dome measures in the corn gene Rupe and they just took it down. Um, which is whatever, it’s their business. Well, and I mean like some of that, some of it I can understand because some of those groups do, they’re full of hate speech. They’re, they’re full of, you know, V, you know, threats of violence and vitriol and venom and just hatred. And I mean, it’s, yeah, I mean, I, I, I did, I like, I’ve, I’ve looked at a couple of them just to see what the hell people were talking about. It’s ridiculous. And I, and I don’t blame face group for doing it. And I mean, I think that’s the part that people don’t understand is just because you go and create a private or secret group on Facebook doesn’t mean that Facebook doesn’t have access to it. Of course they hate to be the bearer of bad news. The house. They definitely have the keys. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Walk me through this one. Like apparently they created like 10,000 hateful means to help researchers learn how to spot hate speech. Like this one ended like the memes are stupid. And like again it goes back to the argument, what’s hate speech? Like if somebody is like condoning or not even wishing the bond violence cause they’ve done that on Reddit. Like I wish the president was dead. No, but like an actual threat of intended violence. Yeah. Something’s going to group together. Something showing intent kill the author of the two can sing. I’m drawing techniques. Um, but like where like there’s, there is a line like a jokes, you know, like again, this is a weird, this is an argument we could have till the end of time and there’s a hundred different ways. Like, like are we not allowed, are we not allowed to play a marry bang, kill anymore? Like is that like, is it good old fashioned? Like, you can’t, I can’t make funny like pasty white assholes and hockey jerseys. Now all of a sudden the PC way to asphalt, uh, we, we’re protect, we’re protected Ray or the class we are, that’s the, but you know, but like where, where, who, who’s the judge? Like, like it just, it’s so bizarre to me like that the thing, I mean, and some of it does boil down to perception and reality. Like, so like the lash, like I was just running tales from the bar side. Um, and they had the guy from, uh, that runs the angry bartender on it and he’s in a state where they have started to open up and he said, it’s funny. He’s like, you know, so we had, uh, they had the cops called on them five times in one night. Uh, because people were like, Oh, you know, they’re not following the rules. They’re not doing this. They’re not doing that. And like the cops would show up and be like, yes, they are like you. Yes, there is enough distance between people. Yes, there is enough distance between tables. Yes, they’ve done it according to that. And it’s, but like, to people’s perception, they weren’t, and, and so it’s, there’s a rules have never been defined. That’s the, it goes back to the original, well, because it’s, you know, they have, but people don’t pay attention to them. Uh, and you know, you know, like I said, I mean, it’s real easy to understand, Hey, stay six feet apart from each other or you know, Hey, you know, your table should be, you know, no more than this number of people, you know, this far apart and all that kind of stuff. But you know, if, yeah, I mean, and then of course, I mean, you’re always going to have people that aren’t happy unless they’re bitching. I mean, you know, we’ve, we’ve talked about this on prior episodes where like people are calling the state police, um, because they see people gathering in their own backyards or, you know, and, and so honestly, it’s, that’s one of the things I wanted to touch on is, so, you know, we, we did, you know, the, you know, the UPP, um, and around Trevor city are opening up at 50% capacity. We touched on that earlier. I will be a little bit surprised if we don’t see another press conference before Friday. Um, that lightens things up a little bit and say, Hey, you know, gatherings of 10 people or fewer here in the Southeast, Metro Detroit, Michigan area. Um, cool. Just because, I mean it, it just from a practical perspective, it is Memorial day weekend and you have a lot of family gatherings and that kind of stuff that are planned around Memorial day weekend every year. And so I don’t, I don’t think it’s practical to presume that people aren’t going to be getting together this weekend. I don’t like me, dude. I’m safe. I’m in my bunker. I got my booze, I got my classic gaming systems. I’ve been hooking up. I’ll sit down here and get drunk and play pod racer until Tuesday. I’m good. He’s 75 isn’t going to be a cluster bleep dude bell. I’ll, I’ll be stunned if they don’t shut that. I bet I’ll be stunned if they don’t have to shut Belisle down again. No, but like 75 right out, literally right out of 75. Oh yeah. Oh, going up North. Oh dude. People are either going to be heading up North or down to Ohio a lot this weekend, I assume. Yeah. Why not? What the hell is you got to do? You know, um, I wanted to read, there was, there was a line from the Facebook thing with the memes. Um, I totally wanted to hit on that and of course I freaking lose it. There was a, um, so this was the part that pissed me off. I just want to talk about this real quick. Um, basically what they said is the words in the meme, um, are basically the, the words in the meme, like maybe not, aren’t hateful, but the, with the picture, okay. I mean, might have not offensive caption and a generic photo, but once combined in a certain way, they become insulting or hateful. Like in what, what they used as a mean, like loved the way you smell today and the picture was a skunk. Right. And they’re calling that and they’re calling that insulting. Okay. In an insult. Sure. Hate speech. No, that’s, look how many people love you. And it’s like a duck in the middle of a desert. Like, Oh yeah. That’s like, yeah, Hey, this is the room of all the people who care empty room. I mean, that’s, you won’t be able to do that because you’re distributing hate speech. Uh, yeah. No, I don’t, I don’t think I’ve ever not been accused of, of like I’m, I’m okay with being insensitive at times like that. That’s just who I am. And that’s how we all are. Like, you can’t be no. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That’s right. Yeah. Generation raised on South park and family guy somehow gets offended by frigging everything these days. Who do these surveillance planes over Baltimore? I can’t say that I’m surprised. I mean it’s, you know, I mean, you’ve, you’ve already seen, you know, whether it’s, uh, where was it? Uh, South Korea that deployed the little bullet head dogs. Um, the robot dogs going around to keep an eye on people. Yeah. And so, I mean, I, I guess I’m not, dude, I’m not surprised. I mean it’s, I guess part of it, I mean, I guess here’s the thing, part of me wouldn’t be surprised if it was a revenue generation opportunity where they’re like selling those photos to news outlets and that kind of stuff to show, Hey, here’s what’s going on around the city. I mean, it’s being funded by Texas billionaire. Yeah. Um, those, the line, the line of the article, is this the most comprehensive surveillance ever imposed on an American city in the history of the country? Yeah. Well, I mean, and Baltimore is a bit of a shit show. Like, I mean, I don’t, you know, it’s, don’t get me wrong. I mean, it’s, Baltimore crashed a lot harder than I, I mean it’s, it’s almost close to Detroit levels. I mean, you know, when I was living in D C back in the mid nineties, um, Baltimore even then was Detroit now too, a lot of people were, you know, it’s okay. It’s a half hour, 45 minute drive. Cool. Let’s head up. Um, here are, here’s that bar we’re going to go to. Here’s that bar we’re going to go to. Or here’s this street that will go on and then you GTL. Um, it is crashed even harder since if it is crushed a lot harder since that time. Um, you know, just from everything, like friends still back in the area and that kind of stuff. Where, I mean, it’s dude, it like there’s like large swaths of Baltimore that you just don’t go like it’s, and so I like, I, like I said, I, I get it, but I don’t know that private citizens should be funding. It’s a private citizens bunny and basically the images are gonna be stored for 45 days, then can be used only for criminal investigation. Um, total budget. The program is 3.6 million. All of it paid for privately. Um, yes. And like I said, that’s, that’s my biggest hangup is that it’s a private citizen doing it. Like it. Dude, you want to have surveillance know? I do. I have video cameras all around the house like, and, but it’s my house. Um, and, you know, and I’ve even, I’ve even had, I had them positioned them deliberately, so like it doesn’t catch the neighbor’s houses or any of that kind of like it. Yeah. Um, so yeah, I mean that’s, that’s the part that’s super wonky to me is that it’s a, Hey, is somebody from Texas care about what’s happening in Baltimore? I don’t know. Try a trial run. I don’t know. Because successful then you’re going to roll it out to basically use this a pilot. We see the first, you know, the birth of OCP. Right. You know, if you’re going walking around the city, are you gonna feel safer knowing that the guy that shot it was getting caught in three weeks because of a photo from a plane that may or may not have been overhead. Yeah. Can we still get a three bullet holes in your domain? Um, how, I got a stupid question. Totally unrelated topic. How angry were you when you found out that Robin noodles weren’t made here or that were, were, were actually made here? Um, I mean, I just, I kind of always assumed they were, I always thought they were important. I thought it was like fancy, like finding out that there’s a ramen factory in goddamn Virginia. Like was it, was this when you found out that the stripper poles actually turned on their own Bob and like they actually rotated and it was like, kinda like, like the adult version of finding out there’s no Santa Claus? Like is that yet? Yeah, they do. About the polls actually spent, Oh, I’m sorry. Did I just ruin Santa lots? I would apparently like seven people got, got sick at the, uh, [inaudible] I don’t even know how to pronounce, uh, in Virginia. Um, but there’s, there’s a damn factory, which is, that’s one of the brands that I buy. I mean, you know, when you can find them in store has got to help you. Um, but that is, I mean, that’s, that’s one of the brands because they’re the ones they make the, uh, the bowls that I really, really like that have like the spicy beef and spicy chicken ones. Here’s the thing, we talked about logistics and all that stuff earlier. And like that’s the thing with like toilet paper logistics and like ramen noodles, logistics. Like you got a whole semi truck full of like $20 worth of soup. Yes. Well, I mean, and that’s like, dude, I don’t understand why there’s been such a run on that shit. Like, like literally I always tried to keep, um, usually like three of each of the spicy chicken and the spicy beef. I always try to keep those in the house just cause if I’m running late or if I need to, like, like if I was running to the studios, I would grab one and then I could throw it in the microwave and cool. It was good to go. Um, dude, I haven’t been able to get one of those things in six weeks. Like to the point where like, I can get there, I can get a, there’s a great brand and I can’t remember off the top of my head, but it’s literally just the ramen noodles. And so I’ve just started making ramen on my own. Um, we’re like, you know, I’ll cut up the chicken and do all the vegetables and all that kind of crap, and I’ve been doing it on my own for like, for awhile if I feel like, and then I’ve got it for a week. Um, yeah. Like I don’t understand. Like again, it’s that stockpile mentality, like, like how much toilet paper do you have in your garage currently? And how much effing ramen do you currently have in your, in your pantry that you’re gonna be eating for the next 30 years. Did I talk about the, uh, when Tom green was on Rogan, but he had the theory on the toilet paper shortage? No. So basically this is Tom Green’s theory and I think it’s kind of brilliant. It makes sense. Um, basically what happens is you have an entire aisle full of toilet paper and he goes in that aisle, there’s maybe like 1248 rolls because it takes up so much goddamn space. Then he goes into, what happens is everybody goes up, there’s shit going down. I gotta, I gotta buy this, I gotta buy that. And then I gotta grab some toilet paper. Just you know, just a case that all of a sudden the whole thing sold out because like 12 people bought toilet paper. Then they take a picture. Well, that aisle looks insanely when it’s empty, but it was really only 12 people buying two each. Yeah, right. Buying the 48 packs now. Then. Then it just spreads panic and they posted on social media. Oh, everybody’s shits their pants. No. Are the actual 48 packs or those six see enrolls equals 42 there is. There is no math dude like helping my daughter with her seventh grade math is not as hard as toilet paper. Math. Like I said, it’s six roles equal eight but then eight equals 12 and then 12 equals 48 but 12 also equals 24 and then 12 can also equal 36 but then I, yeah, I want that big guy. Oh, the neverending role is that Facebook ads. How awesome would it be to go to someone’s house and we can go grumpy and cut that boat for weeks? You’d have to design your bathroom just around that. You really would, as big as that role is, you absolutely would. Is there any architects on the line make your houses right? Um, but I guess I, you know, in the same vein, uh, where was it? Uh, Georgia, uh, the taco bell where a woman, uh, drove through the drive through, um, and had a spray bottle filled with urine, uh, that she accosted the, uh, the drive through worker with as well as Howler monkey flinging her poo at, at people. Like, how much for planning do you have to do to fill a spray gun to have a spray bottle full of my, like, that’s like there’s something wrong with you before any of this happened. Like this is not a recent psychotic break in science. Uh, we try to use proper terminology here. Roberts, uh, I’m going to put it so we’re, we’re pretty much done with eighties movies with the family. And yesterday, yesterday, family movie night was Billy Madison and um, is watching Andy’s my six year old and it’s the scene with the Valentine’s day with the sub and the what basically the cards as Doobie Billy. And like, I don’t even think twice on it and all of a sudden I hear my six year old going, she reads it and goes, do me Billy. And I’m like, uh, don’t ever say Hey, speaking of uh, uh, if you haven’t watched it yet, scoop, uh, the Scooby doo movie, my kids actually sat down to watch it today instead of that was phenomenal. Um, but they said it, they said there’s a lot of stuff in it. They don’t get that or probably because I haven’t watched it yet. Um, that are probably like flashbacks and throwbacks to stuff we’ll get. So I’m going to have to sit down and watch it. Well it’s all pot jokes, dude. Come on. You know that took a bowl and eat some of your dog food. Alright, so I’ve always bitched about, I love, I love me some Arby’s beef and Cheddar’s one of a great, great God. I know we were bitching about their commercials for two or three years now cause we have the meat. No, but then the guy goes for sandwiches. It’s like, what else is it for you? Like, I always wondered, I always wondered if like if somebody didn’t hit them with like a copyright or trademark violation because it used to just be we have the meat. Um, and then they changed it to for sandwiches. So like I, I wonder if like someone hit them with a lawsuit or something over that. The meat tiny there. Uh, some butcher shop in like nowhere. Illinois probably like had that trademark. Who knew? But now the new one is we have ocean meat and all I can think about it was so, so that’s fish, right? Like let’s be clear. Like that’s, that’s fish. Like some guy that couldn’t think of the word. It’s like that I need, um, I need, um, filet, no out that ocean meat sandwich, bruh. And a side of fries and a big terminology to me it encompasses anything. Like it could be fish, it could be shellfish, it could be gastropods, it could be ocean, ocean meet, bruh. Yeah. Which may be why they’re not clarifying what it is because God only knows what goes into those things. Goes into the fish sandwiches are assessed wild and sustainably caught. Alaskan Pollock. Well it’s like Kurt is, is that any relation to Jackson Pollock? What’s, what’s an Alaskan Pollock like? Got it. It’s a fish. Oh God. But then like all the tweets are coming through and I’m reading this articles, would you eat a burger made out of land meat? Yeah. Do, that’s why I loved ’em. It was one of those, uh, Adam ruins everything episodes. Uh, cause I love that show. Um, and there was one that he did where it was all about the restaurant industry and how basically they started running out of like normal fish to serve, like, you know, salmon and trout and all that kind of stuff. And so, and so like the fish that they started using, nobody would eat. Uh, cause they’re probably, there was one called a slime head. Um, and, and then, well nobody’s going to order slime head. And so they just changed the name. And that’s what orange roughy is, is a, is a, is a fish named a slimy, I’ve heard that story on so long. There’s like three other ones that are like that too. They just like, yeah, we’re just going to change and we’ll just change that. We’ve changed the name to serve you better. That’s, that’s how that works. Um, Oh, you know what, you, you didn’t even talk about one thing, um, about the, uh, uh, SOCOM TV show, like this standalone Disney plot dude looking forward to it. I mean, you know, so I mean it’s, they said it’s in development, so it’s not like it started filming or any of that kind of stuff. Um, you know, so waiting for, you know, honestly, I want to see how, how it turns out, what the Mandalorian, uh, with her being in that and you know, they’ve, you know, they’ve announced that, I think we talked about this last week, they announced that Boba Fett is going to be in that too. Um, so, you know, it’ll be, I’m, I’m hoping they don’t start making the mistakes with Mandalorian that they made with, you know, the last trilogy where it becomes like a [inaudible] kind of thing. Um, but we all know she’s dead because she was a force ghost voice in episode nine. Right. You know, and, and, you know, well, yeah, but I mean, there’s a lot, there’s a lot of ground that wasn’t covered. You know, you’ve got that whole, you know, siege of Mandalore and you know, how, you know, how does Gideon get the dark saber and all that stuff. So maybe that comes into season two. Maybe this comes into the standalone series, who knows? But I mean, at the end of the day, I mean, Disney’s not stupid, you know, she is hands down, become one of the most popular characters in that entire franchise very, very quickly. Capitalize it, capitalize on it while you can. Why wouldn’t you? She is what they wish Ray had become. Oh, hell yeah. Oh, abs are frigging lutely. I don’t, don’t even get me started on that because I’ve been watching all the, uh, like the Easter eggs and I’ve been getting down wormholes and like, I’ll, you know, with Ryan Johnson, like going that way. And then JJ is like, now middle finger, I’m going this way. It just, it pisses you off. Like how, what those movies could have been. So now have you watched any of the, uh, the Mandalorian? Yeah, I watched the, uh, I watched the one, the first one, and they’re all sitting at a table, catch the catch. The second one. Cause there, there was a great, uh, there’s a great part in there where Filoni um, basically just goes off about like what the star Wars universe really, really means and, and what people are supposed to be taking away from it and, and what kids are supposed to be taken away from and that kind of stuff. And it’s, it’s, it’s a really good watch. It’s, it’s a great message. Well, it’s almost like it’d be took Lord of the rings and then you made the trilogy, then you decided to add like fricking, I don’t pick something stupid. Um, you know what I mean? And just decide, Oh, I’m going to go this way with it. That’s my interpretation cause I’m an artist. Hey, kiss my ass. You know, it’s like the national Anthem. Just sing the song, don’t make it your own, just sing the song. Um, but that’s, uh, you know, what’s the next movie going to be? That’s, that’s the thing, they could go a hundred directions. Like what’s going to get butts in seats? I know we always talk to her about, we’ll go for whatever. Right. Well, I mean we’ll, we, cause apparently there won’t be any movie theaters left by the time this is over. I don’t, I’ll park my car. I don’t get, yeah, maybe this will be a restart digit drive throughs or drive ins. Yeah. Oh dude. Do you remember I was talking about that Valley girl a remake. It’s straight to rental for six 99. Oh yeah. My uh, my daughter caught a commercial for it and, and was at, she was like, she’s like, Oh yeah. She’s like, did you see this thing Val

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Give us a like on the socials and subscribe to us everywhere. Fine podcasts are sold and as you should be used to by now. This is the part of the show where we usually talk about our upcoming events and there still aren’t any, so eight days y’all you celebrated a birthday last week during the show. I did a few days on Friday and a while. I’d like to thank everyone for the birthday wishes and God I got it. It’s a, it’s a, it’s a full days of work to keep up with it to go back and thank everybody and yeah, I don’t want to sound like an idiot, you know. But LinkedIn, I forgot LinkedIn does it also just like literally all day, like you’re trying to like the people like you know, I don’t know. Is there like a thing that you do? Like if somebody just says happy birthday, you just sit like fix your, maybe you do the haha goes way over and above. They may have more personal message. Hey man, thanks. There you it’s been a while. We should catch up yet. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I know like it always makes me mad. It’s kind of like when I was in the hospital, all the people that reached out wish me well and continue to do so. I’m like, God, I suck. I don’t reach out enough. When people are sick. I usually back away like I wish birthdays, but I don’t do it every day. And it’s like, you know, saying I feel bad about it, but like not doing it enough, but like I think it makes me cognizant that I need to reach out more if people know for sure. I mean, honestly that’s, that’s been one of the things that I think the whole, um, like doing the zoom chats and everything else with everybody has taught me is like, I, there are a lot of people that I used to hang out with a lot more, um, that have started showing up for the zoom chats, especially after penguin con. Like, I had a lot of people reach out and were like, Hey, we haven’t hung out in a while yet. He and I started inviting him to those. Um, yeah, I, I kinda suck as a friend. I, and, and I get that like, you know, but I mean it’s, but it’s, but I mean it’s me one Oh one. I mean like if it’s, and it’s for the same reasons why I suck in a lot of different areas. I mean, it, I’m, I’m typically so focused on right now what’s going on right now [inaudible] that I’m not good at the peripheral stuff or down the road stuff. Um, and so yeah, it is what it is. But yeah, I think, I think it’s going to be a, I’m not going to wait for the new year and it’s going gonna be like a mid year’s resolution that I’m going to start getting better about that. So the only thing that I wanted to, like last week we had like one of the better guests that we’ve ever had on that, talking COBIT. Next we have to go back and watch it. Episode three 45 I almost like that and I put it in the, I put it in the notes before it went out for syndication. I’d really don’t know how well that episode is going to translate to audio only. Um, just because he had so much data and so many graphs and so many charts and all that stuff that we were talking through. And I listened to a good chunk of it. And I mean some of it translates well, some of it doesn’t. Um, so I mean the, the video is out, uh, on our Facebook page. It’s also out on our YouTube channel and the podcast, Detroit YouTube channel. Um, so definitely go back and give that a watch. I really recommend it. So an interesting turn of events happening and you know, just the way he presented his information. There’s a lot of people that have a lot of different information. I think it’s, I think it’s indicative of science as a whole. Right? You have, I don’t know. I don’t know that I agree with that just from the, I don’t know that a lot of people have a lot of different information. I think a lot of people had a lot, have a lot of different interpretations of information, same information. Yeah. That’s why everyone says I need a second opinion is not perfect. Do you know what I mean? Um, but, but, uh, YouTube kind of threw a curve ball in something that a viral video came out with a couple of doctors that own a urgent care clinic. The video that I brought up last week that somebody had texted and I’d never, I didn’t see it as a, I believe it was Dr. Erickson, if I’m not mistaken. There were two of them. Yeah. And I mean what I gathered from it was they were more in the consensus of the Swedish method, which is a get together and get sick together. Yes and no. So part of the issue, um, and I believe why there were, cause it was specifically pulled because it violent, like it went against the who guidelines and disseminated poor information. And that was a very specific thing that they put that they called out because what they were saying was that based on what they had seen in only in their little urgent care clinic in like Bakersfield, California, if I recall correctly, um, was that they hadn’t seen very many cases. They hadn’t seen very many, you know, deaths or anything. Okay, well, nobody goes to an urgent care. And dies first and foremost. Um, if you go to an urgent care, they will, I mean, you’ve had it happen, you’ve gone to an urgent care and they go, ah, no, you’re getting in and out in an ambulance right now and going to the ER. Um, you know, so it’s it. And so they were saying, you know, with, with their very limited data set only from their urgent care, they were espousing these sweeping changes to grand national, you know, the national plans and all that stuff. And that’s why they got yanked. I mean, here’s the thing from everybody from every, every politician that we’re affiliated with or not affiliated with is said something regards to it regarding banning this medicine or using that thing or injecting this thing that didn’t get yanked. But this one did. I, me personally, while I don’t think you know, everyone, I’m not trying to get too crazy, but like pulling stuff like that just runs you down a bad path that I don’t know you can catch up to because there’s so much information out there. How do you decide what’s right and what’s wrong? And apparently they made the choice for us. Yeah. And, and, and I get it. And I mean, I, they could do whatever the hell they want. Well, and that’s the thing. It was like, Oh, first amendment free speech. No, I’m sorry that doesn’t apply. Dropping the first free free speech thing, but I’m dropping that. There’s a whole lot of shit on YouTube that is perfectly fine. What was this, this one? Well, and I think that because it was starting to spread so rapidly and because so many people were watching it, um, you know, it’s, it, you know, it, to me it’s, if you have a crackpot sitting there with a tinfoil hat on, um, on a street corner, that’s, you know, seeing, you know, screaming the end is nigh, not really worth paying attention to when you have a dipshit that gets behind a podium for, I dunno, let’s hypothetically say a couple hours a day, um, and tells you to put a black light up your, as you might want to, you know, maybe, maybe you that down. So, I mean, it’s, well, I’m just saying, I mean, there’s been this first time we’ve had stories about YouTube selective moderation, right? And it is, I mean, and it’s, you know, and, and it’s so, yes, their original videos were yanked. Um, you can still find it via like news agencies and that kind of stuff that had covered it. And it’s still out there through that. Um, I gotta be honest with you, I don’t have a problem with, with YouTube pulling it. I mean, just from the simple, it’s, here’s, and this is, this is my biggest thing with, with all of this is the spreading of bad information, especially during times like this is, is reckless and dangerous. It, there’s no other way for me to put it. You know what’s bad though? Like, because the entire dude, they were condemned by the entire, like the, the medical associations that they are a part of, slapped them down and said, never ever do that again. That is false and bad information. I mean, I just thought that it went against the new guidelines and I was like, Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. A lot of people lined up against them and went, no, bad, bad. Um, yeah. Robin would know seal here. Here’s the wormhole that I don’t, I think YouTube got to understand what they get themselves into. It’s kind of like when tipper Gore slap the parental, uh, uh, bad words on his wrap up. Oh yeah. The parental advice. Oh yeah. Shit, I gotta have that watching a documentary on that. Nobody’s like, you wanted it, you craved it. We sold more records. So it’s like when you band on YouTube, you can wear that as a cake. Like, and that’s the double edged sword. I mean, and that’s, that’s the sad reality is, I mean, it’s, you know, do you make the decision to pull it and because now you’ve given rise to all the crackpot conspiracy theories of all, they pulled it because it’s real and that, you know, uh, wouldn’t you rather have like, um, I watch all this Steven Crowder crap and he’ll go through and he’ll go up that line. Here’s the thing from this study that I said that this line, like I would rather almost have had 12 or 15 or 27 or 3,800 doctors come out and put out their little videos going, this is bullshit. You’re dry. The problem, I can educate myself. I don’t, I get it, but here’s the, but here’s the problem with that. How many, we live in a world that is heavily dominated right now by both the Dunning Kruger effect and the confirmation bias. And so as soon as people watch a video that aligns with what they believe, they will not watch any counterpoint videos. They will not watch any followup videos. They will not do anything. Okay. But again, especially in times like this, it is reckless and harmful to disseminate bad information. And, and, and that’s what, and I’m sorry, like when it’s, if it, if it were YouTube unilaterally, if it was, Oh, they went against the who guidelines. When you have all these different medical associations that lined up against them. Yeah. No, it needed to go. Why? What was so like, I mean, why did it go so viral so fast? What’s the, because Dunning-Kruger effect and confirmation bias because it lined up with what enough people are thinking, Oh dude, get me the hell out of the house. Well, yeah, exactly. It gave them the, Oh, well here’s two doctors that say exactly what I think. And so therefore I’m sharing it, which will then feed all of the other people who think like, I think, um, yeah. If you ever wanted confirmation that people need to get the hell out of the house, follow the Michigan quarantine. Chugs Facebook. Oh, mother of God. Yeah. No, I’ve, I’ve been, uh, I’ve been in there for a few weeks. It’s like 200,000 people. Like the day I joined up, I’m like, what in the world is going on? And basically it’s a people finding new and inventive ways to drink alcohol, mix up their own home and uh, and then neighborhood. Yeah, it’s a, well, and I did, I love the meme that was floating around today that said, basically we’ve, we’re kind of, we are reaching a tipping point where Americans can go without jobs and haircuts for so long before we become hippies. So I mean that’s, that’s, that’s the real danger. I cut my own hair last week. I couldn’t take it anymore here. It looks like shit Dave. But we all got, we all got a little streak this morning actually, I think Disney plus. Yes, it is. It is. May the fourth be with you star Wars day. Oh yeah. I forgot all that. It’s not funny. Is it still? It’s still, yeah. Here’s the thing. TBS marathon dude, I remember 25 years ago talking about may the fourth, um, as a thing on CompuServe and Ray was like, go, that’s stupid. But, but it’s kind of nerd cool than it. Uh, and like, here we are. And like now it’s like a mainstream thing that people are all over. And I’m like, Oh yeah. Cultural appropriation. Walmart. Yeah, exactly. I’m gonna, I’m gonna scream geek culture appreciation or appropriation. GBS can’t show episode nine yet. So their parents are scheduled with a blue harvest and something, something dark side. Oh, nice. Nice. Well, yeah. So yeah, today, uh, let’s see, the rise of Skywalker dropped. Um, they surprised drops. They surprised drop to the final episode of the clone Wars. Um, it was already out at in certain circles. Uh, well I mean, everything’s out somewhere. Um, was like a British guy disseminating it. And then there was one that was in a quarter screen. Um, I saw like five different versions last night. Um, and then the, uh, the first episode of the Mandalorian documentary dropped. Now all that I want to talk, get in close words and I want to talk about the Mandalorian documentary. Yeah. Like between you, you know, I think you’ve known that I’ve been in and out of the cartoons. I’ve never been all in. Dude. I was, I was completely out. I never watched them. I wanted nothing to do with them when they were on air. Um, and it wasn’t until I got Disney plus that I was like, okay, you know what, I’ll give him a shot and rebels and clone Wars addicted immediately. I still can’t get into resistance. I’ve tried like five times, six times now. Um, but rebels and clone Wars hooked me right in right away and it’s amazing, but I’m not going to lie. The last four episodes of clone Wars is well-written. Should have been a movie as anything we’ve seen. Star Wars should have been a movie. Do these, these last four episodes wrapping up the final season, although there are rumors, they may now reverse that decision though. I don’t know how, um, yeah, these last four episodes right up to the movie. Yeah. Literally. Yeah. I mean, the last few, the last few at the last four episodes have basically taken us through the execution of order 66. Um, you know, I, I don’t want to get into too many spoilers, but you got your first look at a character, um, in a clone Wars, uh, scenario, uh, at the end of it, at the end of this last episode. Um, it is, and yeah, I mean D do just the animation of the writing, the just amazing. Like, did you like get how much like I can talk mall was in it. Everything. Everyone knows that like, Oh yeah, there no do to malls. Bennett Ramallah has been in that and rebels all along. Yeah. Well like I was joking like you imagine if they would have like captured mall and like had them taken away like to end two and then open up three with like killing mall and then like, Oh my God, just the like do just that whole, that whole plot line of malls return. Um, and, and, and they’ve, and his realization of just how played he was, um, and, and just how manipulated he was by Palpatine, um, was, I mean, like I said, just the, the writing, the character development. I mean, you know, I’ve said it for months now. That is so Caetano is hands down my probably easily top three if not top two characters in the star Wars universe for me now. Um, and a very parallel and very getting yang. Like she wasn’t in a Jedi order, she had Jedi powers but didn’t profess to be a Jedi. He, you know, felt slighted by the dark side or by the, by the user. By Palpatine at least. Well, yeah, I mean, you know, she got screwed over by Palpatine. She got screwed over by the Jedi council. I mean, that’s, you know, so yeah, they had a lot in common. Well yeah, it was a, if you, if you haven’t caught it, at least start watching like the last season, episode nine. Mmm. If you want to start there, if you want a big whole thing ahead. But I’m just saying like, if you just want to watch the last four, Oh, excuse me. Yeah. I think they, um, they actually, uh, Disney plus put out a really good primer and addict and a couple of other websites did too that said, Hey, if you want to prep for, like, if you really want to do this here, you know, here are these two episodes from this season. You want to watch, here are these, you know, here’s basically like, here’s these eight episodes across the seasons of clone Wars that you want to watch before you start this final four. Um, here’s these like six episodes from rebels you should watch before you start that. Just so that you have the entire, you have it as much of the context as you can walking into that four without having watched everything. Do you know what I was trying to figure out and I couldn’t what, um, did any part of the cultural Wars cartoon but up against solo? Like was was mall a part of, um, yes. Yeah, dude, that, so when, uh, that scene, not this episode, last episode when Maul was down in the tunnels and he was talking to the three holograms and he said, prepare to go into hiding the far right one was uh, Oh God, the bad guy in, in solo. Uh, um, yeah. I can’t remember his name. I can’t remember his name. Uh, Driessen maybe, I don’t know. Um, but that was him in that, so like, yeah, that was setup. That was the setup and tie it, I’m sorry. Did they show his face? Yes, but like I said, it’s, it’s in a, it’s in a small, like he’s talking to three holograms. And so if you’re not paying attention to who’s in those three holograms, you might not notice one. Wa it was the, basically the three leaders of, uh, the syndicate that he was like, you know, so yeah, no, it, it, there was actually, there was absolutely a, a touch point there. It answered that. What was this? The Mandalorian documentary? I didn’t even until I saw your email, I didn’t even see. Yeah. So the, the Mandalorian dock and they only dropped the first episode, I believe it’s going to be an eight part series, if I recall correctly. And this first one that dropped, um, was with Al. It was with John Fabro and all of the director for directors, um, that, you know, cause they each did however many episodes. Um, and it was just a round table discussion and it was, it was fascinating cause I mean if you watch the Mandalorian, you know that, you know, every episode has kind of a different fee, a different flavor and a different feel to it. Um, and a different, you know, a different, you know, there’s the, there’s the heist episode, there’s the seven samurai episode, there’s the, this, this, this, this and this. And so it was, it was interesting watching Fabro sit down and, yeah. And so, you know, so it was interesting watching, you know, Fabro sit around and talk with them about how they pulled that all together. Like he deliberate, like they deliberately assembled different directors that had different takes, different specialties, different, um, and different ways of going about things. Um, and said, okay, look, you know, we’re going to give you free rent. And that was the one thing, like all of them said, it was absolutely fascinating to be right. You know, to be directing something for TV, but to be given the free reign, like I was doing a feature film. Um, and it was, it was like that was really cool to hear and you know, they, and they just gave them, said, Hey, here’s where you have to start, here’s where you have to end, go, you know, be you. Right. And then there was another thing that just actually just came out today from screen rant. Um, I don’t know how to pronounce the guy’s name, but it’s a taiko YTT. He is, he is one of the mentally he’s actually in, he’s one of the guys that’s in, cause he’s one of the directors from the Mandalorian and I believe he’s also the voice of IgE 11. He did the last minute he did with yes, with a MAF, Gideon and the Darksaber and all that stuff. So yes, he, he absolutely was. He’s the guy that is the voice of IgE 11 in, in that series. Okay. Did Ragnar rock and some others, they gave him a film. So I don’t know what that’s going to be. I don’t think they’ve announced anything yet. Oh. And they don’t know either. Like, and they’ve said, yeah, there’s no release date. There’s no, I mean, they haven’t even started writing it yet. They just said, Hey, you’re going to get to be in the director’s chair for a star Wars movie. Alright. I don’t know Randy muted himself. Um, whoops. Um, so no, I mean, and then it is, I mean, and that was one of the things is, you know, watching, you know, the, the stuff with, you know, both fat and Dave Filoni, you know, it was in the room, um, you know, who people know as being the guy behind the clone Wars. Um, and it was funny hearing them talk about like basically how they got the gigs, especially. And I, and I won’t ruin it, but it’s, it’s funny to hear Filoni is a story about his interview with Lucas. Um, and, and just how that went and what he thought about it. Um, and you know, the, the fact that candidly, he thought he was getting punked when he, when he first got the phone call. Um, so it was really, Oh, well, no. So that’s the thing, you know, he said, you know, somebody calls him from the, you know, Lucasfilm animation department, and he’s like, there isn’t one. Um, and he’s like, you know, and he was, you know, he’s working for cartoon network. And so he thought like the sponge Bob square pants guys were pranking him. Uh, and so, yeah, it is, it’s a really fascinating watch. And like I said, they’re only, they only dropped the first one. Uh, so I’m curious, I don’t know if they’re going to do a weekly release with these two or what. Um, but yeah, there’s supposed to be eight, if I recall correctly. And like I said, the first one was really, really good. Cool. I liked it a lot. I’ll take what I can get at this point. Gimme gimme gimme well, and the other, the other piece of news that came out regarding the Mandalorian, uh, was that they, they did officially announced that the Mandalorian does not have any delays, uh, due to all of this coven 19 stuff. Um, they had finished enough of it, uh, and so that they, they’re, they are still looking at their, their in the post production phase. Um, so they are still looking to be on track for that October release for the next season. I still think the greatest COBIT 19, um, Jimmy talk about with his last week or two weeks ago, the, uh, the preacher that said you could just blow it away. Like he gets his like demonic look on his face. Cause like I was sudden, I got sucked in a wormhole and I’m on remixes and mad, just angry. I’m like, Oh my God, this is real. Like I just thought it was kind of a, Oh no, that was, yeah, no, that’s, that’s, that’s a Southern preacher Bob. That’s, that’s, that’s who they are. That’s, that’s how that works. That’s what that is. Yeah. David. But no. So yeah, I mean, and it was, you know, it was interesting, you know, just, I mean there was obviously, you know, I know the official star Wars site released a, um, basically stay home, stay safe, we’re in this together, you know, video. That was kind of cool. Um, you know, it is, I mean it’s, you know, and that kind of touches on, as, you know, we both had birthdays last week and I mean usually either we’re at penguin con throwing a party or you know, we’re getting the guys together and hitting Kit-Kat club or something like that. Um, you know, it is, I mean, and that’s cause again, like, and, and you know, and I guess doubling back on that video too, like I, I get it. Like, dude, all, we’re all frustrated. We’re all like, please do not for two seconds. Think that I would not rather be hanging out, down at whiskey in the jar or, you know, I mean, for, for the love of Larry, the bartender at temple bar called me to make sure that I was okay. Um, cause you know, he knew that this kind of stuff was, you know, probably hit me hard. It took a box of food to the Duffy’s bartender who hasn’t gotten a paycheck. And yeah, I mean it’s, you know, that’s, Oh Hey, I guess good moment to shout out [inaudible] dot com again, um, you know, hit that and it put together by our buddy [inaudible] dot com. Um, it’s [inaudible] dot com um, find your favorite local bartender and throw some cash their away while they’re drinking at home. If he can. It got to the point of me running out of crap to watch or I binged the outer banks on Netflix. I don’t know what that is. If you haven’t watched it. It’s basically, I’m imagining Goonies if like all of the Goonies were like super model 18 year olds getting, it’s like the lost treasure. They love it. They’re like, they all got put on this Island and it’s like the rich kids, where’s the poor kids? And then they dad was looking for the sunken ship that had $400 million in gold and they went to go, they found a map. And they went to go find the treasure and it’s like this basically written like Twilight, like it’s all like, this is Spence in this like, but it’s, you know, Bo got into it about the third episode, what is it? I go, it’s Goonies of good looking kids. And she said, she goes, you’re so right. It totally is the toddlers, they’re just looking for treasure. It’s like I actually sat and watched the whole damn thing and I’m like, yeah, I’m no better off than I am for a actually, did you see the Goonies a reunion? That was kind of, I did, yeah. The video they put out are they actually, I mean obviously they, you know, there were certain cast members they couldn’t get in because, well, their dad. Um, but I mean, no, I was surprised at that one. Yeah, I know. I mean, I mean other than that, everybody was, I mean they, you know, you know, uh, it, it, yeah, it was, it was a fun watch and it was, it was good as you know, hearing them riff their lines and all that kind of stuff. It was, it was definitely a, um, definitely a feel good watch to, to sit down and see that happening. So when we started this whole stay at home thing, uh, one of the first guests we had was talking about, are we going to run out of internet? Um, and it’s interesting because we were like, no, we’re never gonna run out of internet for the most part. We’ve been pretty good and we’ve all been hammering or Netflix really hammering on zoom and not really glitchy. And, um, a cool article came out from network world. Why didn’t COBIT 19 break the internet? You know, apparently. Is that the infrastructure of the whole, basically the backbone of the internet was built to survive? Well, I mean, so you think, I mean, I mean, think back to, you know, the origin. I mean, it started off as a DARPA project and you had the ARPANET and it was original, huh? No, uh, no it was, but it was originally designed to be a critical communications infrastructure mechanism in case of a nuclear attack. Um, you know, and it was designed, you know, to keep, um, certain key military infrastructure points and universities up and running and communicating. Uh, and so, you know, like w and we’ve talked about this on the show a bazillion times, like you know, part of the issue with, from a security standpoint is that the TCP IP protocol is very open and flexible and does not have any security really built into it. And so the, that’s the downside, the upside is that it was designed with that flexibility and openness in mind. So when you have, you know, you can have packets going, like you’d have the same message traffic getting divided up into multiple packets that are sent across different routers. But as long as they all still wind up at the same spot at roughly the same time, they all Vultron back together and you’ve got your original content and all that stuff. So that whole distributed model of how that stuff works. I mean, yeah, I mean it’s, it’s been there since day one cause that’s what it was supposed to do. Let me think about it too. Path of least resistance. If it’s clogged in Detroit, it’s going to go through Cleveland. Like, Oh no, I’ve gone that way. No, cut, no gone. Now what I mean, if you look at this is that as much as I thought they said, video video on Verizon networks up 41% VPN up to 65% downstream traffic is increased 20% upstream, upstream, upstream as increased 40%. So, I mean, it’s not as much as I would have thought considering, you know, all our asses are all working now. We thought it’d be a lot more. Well, I mean, see, I mean you think, I mean there’s, there’s a large number of people that telecommute all the time anyway, you know, the, the, that work from home and do their thing this way. Um, yeah, I mean, the, the upstream traffic does not surprise me at all because you’ve got more people sitting here like this, you know, doing video out of their houses, uh, and, and, and getting that traffic up the pipe, um, than you’ve had in a long time. Uh, so yeah, I mean, you know, games, that kind of stuff, you know, you know, Netflix who lose that kind of stuff as your downstream traffic. So I guess that doesn’t really surprise me cause I mean you’ve got, I mean most of the kids during the day are doing their homework or their, you know, they’re doing their meetings with schools and that kind of stuff now. But yeah, then they switch over to gaming and videos. So I can see that being a normalized uptake I guess I would say. But if you even think about, um, if an ISP runs out of bandwidth per se, it really, most of it is a, is, I know it was a little bit more detailed than this, but it’s mostly just a card swap to gain more speed or adding, uh, adding some more boxes. Well, and not, not only that, but I mean, so I mean, the good thing, you know, and, and you know, from, I mean, from even way back in the day, I mean, the most expensive part of getting connectivity routed somewhere is digging the trench. And so the smart thing that most places have done is when they, when uh, when the trenches were dug, they put more cabling, more fiber, you know, depending on when they laid it, um, you know, in there than they actually needed. And so one of the main reasons why we haven’t had any issues with this stuff is all they’ve done is flipped the switch and said okay, let’s bring pipe two up. We’ve been running on pipe or we’ve been running on pipes one and two all this time. We’ve never even bothered to fire up pipe three bloop. There we go. And life’s good. I mean even like back when I was doing fiber to the home in like an old three Oh four, there was technology. I don’t even, I’ve been worked with fiber and somebody years, I wonder if it was DWDM which you can run like 32 X the packets through the same amount of fibers. Just standard a multi. Anyway, enough about that. But yeah glad the internet hasn’t broken shit their pants. Like if you would’ve done this in 1985, people would have jumped off buildings. Cause there wouldn’t be shit to do. Um, or they just would have broken the rules. Now at least, you know, kids are kind of content with their, you know, FaceTimes and there, well dude, I mean think back to right after nine 11. I mean, you know, I mean it’s, that’s 2001 and we didn’t have as much infrastructure as we have now. Uh, you know, and, and things did slow down. I mean, I, you know, I mean think back to, I mean CNN and everybody else, all their websites were destroyed and you and you couldn’t get through to them. Um, you know, cause I was sitting on a well yeah. But you know, anybody else couldn’t. Um, so yeah, I mean it’s, you know, a lot of stuff has happened since then, but I mean it wasn’t, it wasn’t even that long ago where something like this would have brought down the internet. Yeah. I mean that was an, that was a Nokia push to talk watching CNN on a full screen on my laptop cause yeah. Cause that was plugged right into the core switch. Um, so yeah, that was definitely an interesting time. Um, but yeah, the funny thing is, you know, I got laugh. It’s, it’s the shit we talk about like every third show since we’ve started this show about people bitching about, uh, getting a technology that they’re fine with, but not the bad part about it. Well, it’s like I want my GPS and I want to see, I want to see where my, uh, I want to, I want, I want to see where the traffic is. Where’s my goddamn GrubHub driver? Right. You better not track me. What do you think they’re doing? What holes? How do you think they know? How do you think they know where your GrubHub driver is and where that traffic, you know, where those traffic James are, are going in his house? Like, like it’s national Lampoon’s vacation told you track me. It’s like, I guess a map came out Metro times wrote about it. The thing a few other places, I’m talking, it’s this path that everybody’s taken, which is the weird one is, um, I would’ve thought Michigan is basically going straight up and down and straight left and right. They basically break to grand Rapids from Lansing to, um, well and so a well, hold on, give, give the context because what you’re talking about is there’s an app that people downloaded a, I believe it was like called vote something or other, I can’t remember what it was. Um, but, uh, an app that people downloaded and opted into having like their, their location information and that kind of stuff. Um, and so this data comes from, uh, the protests and Lansing a bit ago. Oh, vote map. Um, yeah, it was 300 opt in devices gathered, um, gathered at Lansing. But the weird thing is like you, you would think, you know, because like it’s not going to Trevor city going left, right at, uh, I believe it’s whatever, uh, whatever the highway is. Like when you’re drunk, it’s like, it’s straight up like the top of Michigan. Um, like by Mackinaw, like, like, and a lot of left and right. But yeah. What did you tell me that tells me they all came down from the P? Like what does that tell you? Well, Petoskey well, I mean it’s, so, it’s, it’s a lot of, a lot of, a lot of rural folks showed up in Lansing, um, and grand Rapids, very conservative part of the state. Yeah. And, and so, you know, it was, it was a lot of folks from rural municipalities that showed up, um, in Lansing and, you know, and, and so the danger there, and this is what, and you know, this, this leader I shared this on my Facebook page for this reason is so, okay, guess what? Um, they showed people leaving that gathering where we all kind of laughed and joked about, you know, Nope, look at all those, you know, they’re all standing around in clumps there. None of them are wearing masks. None of them have any kind of PPE gear. And, Oh, guess what? Those rural areas are now starting to see an uptick in covert 19 cases. You’re seeing the same thing in each trade in Chicago too, because the house parties are a thing and, and like, and so like that’s like, like that’s, that’s the thing that keeps like, I don’t understand. Again, like I, I get it, we’re all frustrated. We all want to be around people. Being around other people is a bad idea right now. It’s, it, this, it’s not rocket science. Like this is not advanced physics. This is not quantum mechanics. It’s, you know, and it’s one of the, one of the things I loved last week with Fred, it’s a very simple one to one correlation. Yeah. Randy, you’re in front of my buddy posted a video. He was at the Meyer parking lot with his motorcycle and the lot was packed. It was almost like everyone with their bikes came out there. So apparently somebody had died and they were gathering to do a, like a funeral possession down to bell. Okay. And then, and then Goliath got shut down. Well, the police report said that they were practicing social distancing there in the parking lot, but they, so they had spread out and taken over the whole parking lot just so they could stay distant for this funeral possession. Well it’s getting nuts too. I think we shared, do we share it privately or publicly? Dave? I don’t remember the like there’s social in New York now. Like that was, yeah, that was just in messaging. Yeah. Like hops are getting a little like beat up. Some guy they asked him to separate, they’re under fire because go figure the way they’re handling things with non socially distant white people is a little different than how they’re things with non social distancing people of color. Yeah. Yeah. They beat the living shit out of this guy and they’re like, Whoa, what did he do? Yeah. But then, but then, but then the white folks, Oh you know, Hey, we’ll give you morning. I’d get the F. Yeah. I, yeah, those anybody like all you gotta say is like, and what happens if you’re living with a person? Like, if you, if you told me and my wife six feet apart, I’m like, I get to sleep in the same bed as her every night. You know, like that’s different. I mean, that’s, you know, like the whole like, yeah, no, the whole, like the whole stay home stay safe thing has always been, you know, dude, control the variables in your life, which is, you know what, okay, so your family, you can kind of know where you and your family go and who you interact with and all that stuff. You know, I mean, let’s, I mean, I do, I’m not even leaving home to shop anymore. Like I, you know, I have discovered Instacart is better than shipped. Uh, and so I’m using that for all my shopping now. Uh, so yeah. Well, due to an instant dude, Instacart does a bunch more places than ship does. And I like the app better. I just a little plug for them. Um, I like the app. I like their like little realtime shopping updates. Like, as someone’s walking down the aisles and picking up items and checking them in, you can see like they’ve shopped 35 of 50 items and Oh didn’t get it. And then like there’s like in-app chat, Hey, they don’t have this. You okay with that? Cool. Whereas like with Shipt, they’re sending you texts and that kind of stuff and you got it anyway. Um, you’re tracking me but don’t you dare try pissing me off. I think they’re going to be dead to me soon and they can’t be because I’m a lazy bastard. I need it. I need the, I’m doing deliver me food. But grub hub, again, we knew that they take like 20 don’t they take like 20% off the top? I don’t know the exact as a starting point, the starting point. So then you start looking at, okay, two 99 and charge me to deliver. There was a food truck where the owner of the food truck posted his end of month receipt from a deposit deposit statement from GrubHub. It was a thousand dollars gross and it was a $350 check. But then if you, then I look today, I ordered a lunch from GrubHub today for me and Annie and there’s taxes and fees and then it’s his fees and it’s like, Oh, this service fee, it’s almost turning into Epic ticket master. They’re like, you know, my, my $8 with a food with a $5 tip turned into a $20 bill, which again, I’m not angry about because, you know, I’m the one that wants to sit on my couch. It’s providing a service. But like now, like if you’re chewing the people, if you’re getting on both sides, right, we’ve got the double ended dildo out. Nice button. Let me have my flat. But like, it’s one thing of you like charge me more to get my things, but like, but you’re, you’re, you’re sticking it to them, but just through the restaurants too. Yeah. Well, and so the story, you’re the pimp. Yeah. You do that. I’ve said this, this has been my analogy all along. Uber, uh, grub hub Lyft, they are, they, they have the same technological or technology argument that a pimp does. Hey, we just put two consenting adults together, take a little percentage off the top, whatever they do after that is on them. Um, so no, but because they’re taking that percentage off the top and not doing a damn thing else. Um, but also the, the story that was in the, in the list this week was that, so now you’ve got Yelp, um, that has partnered with grub hub. And so Yelp apparently lists two phone numbers, uh, for every restaurant on their app. The first is for questions, uh, for questions, uh, call, you know, click this button, uh, for delivery or pickup or you know, for delivery. Push this button while the questions button goes right to the restaurant. The delivery button goes to an alternate phone number that Yelp and GrubHub have created for them, which then goes to a grub hub call center. Um, and, and, and they place the order and pick up the order and take all their percentages and everything else without letting the customers know. And so that’s just yet another way that they’re kind of dicking people over and why I’m extremely happy that we’ve been mocking Yelp for years now and you can’t do a God damn thing about it. Like you are stuck. Yeah. Well you can always try and go directly to the restaurant and say, Hey, you got a do order offer. Oh no, but no, but as the restaurant you can’t do anything. No. What are you going to do unless you publicly mock and do like the one guy saying 20% off your order. If you give me a one star review with the system, you’re stuck with them and an out, they put a phone number that’s not the restaurant’s calling delivery and it goes to a service that you didn’t really know. It’s one thing if I do my website and I’m Bob’s pizza.com and I put delivery and that goes to my toast or whatever order, like deliveries thing, that’s fine. That’s my choice. But when you’re, I guess the deal did, you didn’t choose to do it anymore. Well, no, dude, I mean so that’s, and that was actually part of the story and that was part of this story that we have talked about before was that the other a hundred handed shit that you know, Yelp, Yelp and GrubHub have been doing is basically creating domains and websites for restaurants without their knowledge. Um, you know, if the restaurant already had a website, they would create one with a very similar sounding name or a similar, you know, you know, domain or whatever else, uh, and drive people there in order to then get hooked into the Yelp grub hub, ordering food chain and system and all that stuff as well. Um, so yeah, it’s, I’m not happy. I don’t, I don’t like it at all. Um, but then the, the, the one story cause we got to none of our stories last week cause of everything with Fred. Um, political sucks by the way, if you want to read it, it’s from vise called Yelp is over restaurants by quietly replacing their phone numbers. It’s a long read, but it’s worth it. It, but it’ll, yeah, it’s absolutely worth the read. Um, the one thing that I thought was funny that it was one of the stories last week where basically they’re there, they’re starting to, uh, to crack down on Uber eats and, and those kind of delivery drivers actually become a speakeasy on wheels, uh, because they’re delivering booze to people and not checking IDs and not, it’s like Uber eats isn’t supposed to deliver booze. Um, you know, in, in certain States, I believe Michigan being one of them. Uh, and, but they are, uh, and, and so, you know, it’s, you know, it’s violating this. It’s wildly, you know, in some cases they’re not checking IDs when they drop ops, you know, stuff and interests. Again, it’s, it’s become kind of a wild, wild West now in some cases. Have you added beverage cart yet delivered to your house? Have you seen it? So I again, here’s the thing of, you have a car, I have a Volkswagen, blah, blah blah, and I’m, I’m signing their new models, the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Most of those drivers sign up for everything. And Lyft, Uber, Uber eats GrubHub. So like if he’s standing up for beverage cart also and what’s to stop him from picking from being, uh, and on his own that they’d see that I’m not an employee so I can do whatever they, well, you’re a 10 99, you’re a gig worker. Why can’t you refer someone to one of the other services that you also are a representative of if you want to sell, you know, if you want to sell dime bags, you can sell Mary Kay romance. Do your thing. Well, there’s the whole business that gives you a caddy of stuff to sell it in your car to your passengers. Yeah, we talked about them a while ago. Yeah. Yeah. That to be 25 cents a bottle of water. $2. Yeah. No, but I mean it’s, you know, they have a rule saying you can’t do GrubHub. Like then you’re an employee and you need to knock that shit off. Great. But if they’re, they’re doing it, they’re, all of them are sign up for all five at Betty was doing it at all. They’re doing, they’re standing up for all four. Why wouldn’t you? Right. I can’t tell you that he did and this God, I mean, I can’t tell you the last time I hot. Well, number one, I can’t tell you the last time I hopped in an Uber cause well we dropped it off. But I mean I just, you know, but before that, you know, I, I can’t tell you the last time I hopped in either an Uber or a Lyft where I didn’t see both placards in the window. Right? Yeah. All of them. Yeah. Well I drove in and driven and like, since I, uh, I stopped going to physical therapy before the surgery. Um, and I, uh, Gretchen is getting a job at tropical smoothie cafe. So like I got in my car and I’m like, Oh my God, I haven’t driven in like two weeks. She’s like, I’m almost like the brakes were touchy. You get, I’m like, dude, that’s a, that’s a, yeah, that’s there is, you know, Hey, you know, gas is a, gas is a buck and we can’t go anywhere. Plane tickets are at an all time low. We can’t fly anywhere. Morissette says what? Yeah. The weird thing with the restaurants, like you sent this article from Atlanta, I was like, I guess they’ve, they’ve allowed restaurants to open, Georgia has started open up like 50 of them said like, nah, I don’t think so. We’re not going to open. Well yeah, it was 50 50 owners. So it actually, it actually spans more than 50 restaurants. It was, it was 50 owners that said, yeah, no, we’re, we’re good. We’re going to go and stay closed. But I mean, here’s the thing, like you have, it’s not even so much the customer’s demanding. They open saying customers are going to be fine. You got employees that aren’t like can’t pay their bills. Like, like, and here’s what happens. These 50 owners and then they’re going to hold out. What are those employees going to do? Right? They’re going to go, Oh Jim, Bob’s opened up down the street. I’m going to go work for Jim Bob. And now you, you try to reopen back. All your employees are gone. I mean like that’s a calculated risk. But I mean, so here’s the, I guess here’s the other side of this that I see a lot of people glossing over in, in especially online conversations with this. So let’s say that you were own a restaurant or bar and you have all of your people, uh, temporarily laid off and so they are covered under the state’s state of emergency. Uh, they are eligible for the federal, uh, PUA bump, uh, when it comes to the unemployment assistance. Uh, and so, you know, in theory they, they, they should be OK. And I, and I say in theory, cause I do know people in the industry that for one reason or another have either not gotten their benefits or whatever. Okay. But in theory they should be fine. You as the owner, as soon as you open up and call your staff back and keep in mind, you’re only able to open up at 25% capacity. So now you’re calling less of your staff back, but you are saying you are open. So you, you have to active like quote unquote reactivate all of your staff. Um, if they then are on unemployment because you can’t support them with hours and jobs and that kind of stuff, they are no longer covered by the state of emergency and their federal funding and they are back on your unemployment roll. And so it’s, so, that’s what I’m saying. That’s what I’m saying. That’s the part, that’s the part I don’t think you’re catching. No, I didn’t, you know, I don’t think of welfare, you know, like, uh, like when I play with benefits, I’m thinking I’m just thinking of work. Go to work, dude. I get it. But I mean, it’s like, and that’s the thing, like, dude, you can’t tell me that there’s not, I mean, come on dude to us. You can’t do it. I want the studio’s open so effing badly. I can taste it, but I’m not gonna like, we’re not stupid. Like, I mean, you know, can you imagine like, dude picture like a normal Monday night at our Royal Oak studios? Would you want to be there right now? 30 people in there? No, I mean, you know, you know, all four studios active and running for you know, three or four hours over the course of the night. That’s no, so I mean, you know, but, but there’s, you can’t, you can’t tell me that there’s not a business owner out there that doesn’t want their business up and running as, as, as, as fast and as re, you know, as rapidly as it can be. But it’s gotta be done safely and it’s gotta be done smartly and it’s gotta be really weird when it finally does open cause you’re going to have, like I, I foresee like the top half of Michigan, it’s going to be business as usual. Everybody’s going to be arm in arm at the corner bar and you’re going to, down here you’re going to get, people are going to the dirty look machine is going to be in full force. If anyone comes near your, your, your halo little three foot halo, you’re going to look at people like they farted. There’s going to all yes and no. So like, and, and I have, I’ve, I’ve had, I had a good conversation with John and Jim from Detroit shipping company, uh, cause I mean, they’re getting ready to gear up and start doing curbside take out with the restaurants and that kind of stuff. Uh, and you know, we were yakking about like, you know, their plans to reopen and how they’re going to do it. And, you know, I think I’ve said it on here before, like, you know, for those who haven’t been to Detroit shipping company, it’s a very beer garden, uh, style seating where, you know, it’s these giant long picnic tables, um, that, you know, everybody’s community seating and by giant they’re, what, 12, 14 feet long dude. Yeah. Eight to a eight to a table. Yeah. And it will do to, yeah. And, and so, and there’s maybe a two foot aisle between you that, that table on the next table so people can walk through, you know, how long is it going to be before people are going to be comfortable sitting and eating and drinking next to random strangers. And so like, you know, they’re talking about, you know, Hey do we cut them in half and spread things out more and all that stuff. But I mean, you know, even even that, you know, it’s just, I think you’re going to see, you’re going to see two demographics when it comes to going out because like dude, I’ve said, even if Whitmer comes out tomorrow and says, Hey, bars and restaurants are open, go nah, aye. Aye. Aye. I’m waiting for outside 2.0 and, and maybe a service pack release after that. Like I will let cause and, but that’s me, you know, and that, you know, and I might, you know, I might go to a friend’s house and hang out. I might do that, but like as far as like bars, restaurants, that kind of stuff. But dude, that 21 to probably, I’m going to go 32 33 crowd August the saying that whiskey in the jar, they’re not really sure which bartenders are gonna open. Nobody really wants to be the first one to go back. Yeah. Susie’s might not open until 2021. I kind of grew up like me, I’ve been abiding by the rules, just trying to stay safe. That’s, it’s more than just me. Um, but if it was just me, I’d be the first one out. Like I was, I’ve never been, I’ve never been a germ. Like that’s thing you need to be a germ for this. Cause it’s a little bit more serious, but like, Oh no, but that’s, and that’s the thing, that’s why I’m saying you’re gonna have those two D two different demographics where dude, people with, you know, whether it’s family or, or housemates, roommates, that kind of stuff. Like I think we’re probably going to be a little bit more cautious. Um, then, you know, that young, carefree. Do you, I mean it’s, you know, look, look at the demographics of people that are going to the house parties and that kind of stuff. Ain’t a whole lot of older people there. It’s a lot of younger people there. Um, just as much as like, we need a bar school. Like there’s a couple of guys that work for me. They need the gym like that. That was their thing. We’d ripped some iron out or for an hour just clear their mind, you know, like then that’s the one that I’m talking to a couple of friends and it’s going like, that’s like me, like the what two things I’m missing like out of my life is I used to do those when I was in sales. I get that three hour drive to Cleveland Riker, just unplug. Or I would get my bar school by myself. Like everyone, every, you know, it’s not, I’m not shy about this. I used to sit at the bar stool by myself. Just be off. Like I didn’t have to be on, I didn’t have to be entertaining. I have to make people laugh. I could watch baseball and argue or I could meet people I couldn’t, like there was no expectations. My personality, now it’s like I got this goddamn chair and I’m stuck in it because I’m like, because of my acres, my knee feet, you know, like, so what am I going to do? You know? Like yesterday, I just went outside and I yelled at some neighbors and I was like, I was like, I gotta get back in the house. Like, it just felt weird. Now it’s just, everything’s weird. It is. I mean, so like, and I did, so I actually wound up having to leave the house, uh, today, uh, the stupid puppy, uh, chewed through the power cord of, not one, but both, uh, vacuum cleaners in the house. Uh, and so I had to go out and, uh, get replacement cords so that I can get those up and running. And the, uh, like I stopped, I drove to Lowe’s and Lowe’s, like the parking lot was absolutely freaking packed and I was like, Nope. Uh, drove by the ACE hardware in the parking lot was absolutely freaking packed. And I went, Nope. Uh, and then I, there’s never any one of these seriously. I do. That’s the thing. Um, and then I went to a place and I won’t, it rhymes with Schwarber sheet, uh, and, and, and, and like, the parking lot wasn’t as full. And so I was like, okay, I’ll give it a shot. And I walked in, dude, I will, I will spend a week in a Chucky cheese ball pit before I set foot in that place again because it would like the people that were in there. It was like mostly older folks, none of them wearing masks, all of them coughing might’ve all been smokers, coughs, might’ve been whatever. But it just like, like I was in like I was in the door, got five feet in the door and like just felt like I was in a plague factory and went, Nope. Walked back out, um, drove back over to Lowe’s and there were fewer people there at that point. And I’m like, and I was like, you know what? At the end of the day, I, I trust Lowe’s, like Lowe’s, big corporate entity, they’re going to be on this. And it’s like when I walked in, dude was clean. Everything was like super well lit. They were like, Hey, do you need a mask? Do you need gloves? Do you need this? Do you need that? What did it, and you know, got what I needed and off I went. So yeah. Yeah. Is the a, is the mask, the modern, the modern day Ralph Whigham helping, uh, when you’re out in public because you do realize like the cloth masks, they’re like, you might as well clear t-shirt over your face. Like it does nothing. Well, there’s the metaphor that it’s like peeing on somebody I love and they pee on you. You get less pee on you than if you were both pants. But if you’re both wearing pants and he pees, it stays mostly in his pants. But no, like the one that there’s like the metal roof, medical grade one is fine. Like the cloth one, it just shoots through it. Like it was a fart. It does the keep your stuff from going out, not from stuff coming into you. Um, but like, you know, just like you’ve been able to smell my farts when I’m in the studio. Yes. We’re, we’re well aware about, uh, Hey for, uh, I, this is a terrible transition, but I’m doing it here anyway. Uh, so, Hey, capital one that knows life doesn’t alert you about your credit card. And that’s why they created, you know, the capital one assistant that looks out for surprise credit card charges, like over tipping duplicate charges or potential fraud, and then sends an alert to your phone and then it helps you fix them if you need to. Another way that capital one is watching out for your money when you are not capital one. What’s in your wallet? See capital one.com for details. So, uh, when another, uh, trip, uh, down YouTube, uh, we’re more like I didn’t do was, um, well remember last week or the two weeks went down with the Barstool sports thing. And those were just the guy that runs a deep Portnoy. He used to do what he wants or he wants to do, eat a slice of pizza every place in Manhattan and do like a one bite review right there. And they’re kind of cool. Videos are quick. They’re like there, it’s kind of like what Bob’s burgers was trying to be like one, one bite and then I, you know, rate it. Um, but he, uh, he’s doing frozen pizzas in his condo now. Um, but apparently like he did the Detroit style pizza company on a st Clair shores, which I don’t even think is a real restaurant. Um, it’s, it’s like a, they do for gold belly. They actually, I know. No, you know who that is? That’s Greg’s brother, pizza guy upfront. That’s Greg’s brother that does the wholesale side of that stuff. So Barstool rated him the second best pizza in the country behind Lumo noughties and there you go. That’s our boy Palazzo to pizza. You can go and get take out. They’re still open. They’re still serving. Go buy a pizza from him. Yeah, right. I don’t live in Meyerland Campbell, but uh, yeah, I went, uh, I went, had gold belly right away and got the Luma naughties the, I’m like, I gotta have this, it’s the best one. And uh, best one in the country. Is it the best? Because it sounds like Illuminati. Yes. And I got to get an Italian beef Peck too. I watched a couple of shows on that. Like, God bless it. Like, again, that’s the thing. We’re all, we’re all playing around with food boat made this like Pinterest loaded Mexican Todd’s thing, which is like my new rating of the house is how is it like pay money for that? I guess my new nice, cause I can’t say I, you know, cause usually it’s, I’d stick by high in it. Yeah. Yeah. So, so does that happen every night before bed as she’s getting ready for bed? Oh, I pay money for that. Yeah. I can say it so well. I got paid money. So this thing, she made this thing, I’m like, that was one of the best things I’ve ever had. Like the best. Randy, you could put out pictures of it, right. Tastes like shit. It looks really good. Uh, so Hey Bob, you and I have, uh, both have one of these. Um, and uh, we’ve actually been, Hey, I’m just going to leave that open-ended. Leave that hanging right there for a sec. Um, no. Uh, so automatic is finally shutting down. Yes. My ass automatically suck. What did we love to do? We’ve had one of those since, what? 2015? That’s cause I want it. I had one too and then I got a newer car so I gave it to my mom for her car for tracking mileage and stuff. But I didn’t do a expense reports and sales. I wouldn’t have gave a shit that that was the best way. Well, here’s the thing that we got maps that Google for that for the expansion board thing I’ll get to do is take a screenshot of the trip. Right. So like other than the engine language and the lights engine lights on anyway, you don’t really need it. And they went to try and automatic was like they gave away a service for free and then they wanted to charge you by month and people are like middle finger. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. No I was, I was good when it was free. Yeah. Well they, you pay for the device, especially the Google maps activity report. You know the times I’ve done expansion boards have screenshot of that and you know, totally supplies to see, I don’t know. But they were bought by Sirius, right? A few years ago. They were, and then it was, yeah, they just realized it’s not economically feasible and by serious is going to roll out something new, rebranded. Oh, kill the automatic brand. I’d be okay with that. Uh, so I, I, this is how strange the world is. We live in a world where, um, the Pentagon released a video footage of UFOs flying around and no one noticed. Here’s the, here’s a little bit more important things going on in the world right now. I think maybe like murder Hornets, that’s what’s important. No, like did you hear about like where these videos came from? There’s a company that’s owned by like the lead singer of blink one 82 or some shit, American pipe punk band that like all of this footage and then like they got released. So he’s like vindicated going and then like, everybody’s like, wow, look at that. And that’s it. Like, I think it goes to, it goes back to my theory dude. Like the real Chewbacca could walk around downtown Manhattan and nobody would give a shit. You would think he’s a cosplay especially. Yeah. Especially today. Like you could have legit aliens walking around on the planet looking like aliens, like not even disguised as humans convention in town. Yeah, yeah. Oh, there’s a comic con somewhere. Yeah, that’s all it would be. I wonder if it’s details attached to a bud flutter of its soul.

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I feel like this is every now and then we get a little serious and I feel like just just, just to keep us on our toes. We have to get a little serious now and again. Oh, and by the way, happy birthday Dave. Thank you. I appreciate it man. Um, but yeah, uh, you made fire when ready and we’re looking forward to this week show. Hey, what’s going on? How’s everybody doing? I think our guests are still asleep with our, this is the one and only it in the D show. We made it all the way to episode three 45 do the math, Dave. So that’s Bob’s wrong plus 329 to close it. And the D that come to his favor, give us a, like on the socials and subscribe to us everywhere. Buying podcasts are sold yet again, this is usually the point where we tell people about our upcoming events and we don’t have any, uh, and, and the reason we don’t have any upcoming events is why we have our guest on the show tonight. Uh, so yeah. Uh, I guess without further ado, let’s go ahead and dive in and, and talk about God. Uh, I guess the only topic that’s dominating conversation these days. Oh, you got yourself muted. Yeah. Oh, you got yourself muted, Fred red, you’re on mute. There we go. There you go. I apologize. I’m off and running. Well, thanks for having me, Dave. I appreciate it. Of course. No, I appreciate you taking the time to come in. Absolutely. It’s a pleasure. Well, you know, I, and I want to get the word out about, you know, what to expect a little bit with this. I, I’ve been in this game since 1984 we, uh, I actually helped develop the first, uh, AIDS back, uh, the first AIDS test, uh, with a company called Centocor. And we were lucky enough to find the good development first definitive test for AIDS. And from there, that was a 1986. And then from there I helped develop six or seven more vaccines effective for your guests. They have children, they, most of them have been vaccinated by, by my vaccines in the 1990s that we developed. Uh, and I’ve been involved with probably seven or eight pandemics. We have, we have an epidemic vote every two years. People don’t really realize it because they’re able to call them now, but you know, they’re reasonably frequent. And so if you think about Ebola coming around twice, and we had Zika virus scare, which I was involved with malaria I’ve been involved with and failed it three times now. So it’s, it’s a, it’s an interesting game. And, um, you know, what, welcome to my world. I’m looking forward to talking a little bit about it. I want to talk about, go a little bit maybe in the background, like I gave a talk to, uh, the Harvard fellows were interested in, in what was happening and so they asked me to give a presentation and I got a little bit of that here just so people have a little bit of background before we talk about what’s going on in Michigan. Okay. So right now I guess I’m, you know, my full set of credentials is that I’ve been in drug discovery, drug development and vaccine development for, uh, 35 years now. I’ve developed, uh, 27 major drugs, uh, six vaccines, uh, 13 major diagnostic products. I was head of Roche’s portfolio management, a team that was, I was global head of that for several years. And you’ll hear a little bit about my experience managing the H five N one epidemic that went into Europe and we just were able to contain that. There’ll be, and I’ve created a tool that I think it’d be helpful for the audience to eventually they can look at and see what we’re doing. So what you’re saying is that you’re not some guy in a mask that I found at Meyer to just, you know, hop on the show. I’m working with Johns Hopkins, so if you guys are looking at that, sadly I helped them. I helped do this. They should put up this, you know this, this clock just so we can watch the virus come up and then come down again at, that’d be fun. All the time you say no, you’re one rung below a politician on their knowledge base on infectious disease. That’s what he’s, he’s, he’s, he’s, he’s somewhere underneath a Facebook certified epidemiology expert and a and somewhere above. Fred, let me keep it up. Let me give you some, I just got a quick question. You know, I’ve lived, you know, we joke around like I call our 2009 vacation to Mexico, the swine flu tour because the swine flu broke and then we didn’t know we should be flying home every two years. Something’s going on. Bird flu, SARS, you know, you kind of listed off a few of them. Also be bold on all that. Like why, what’s different now? Like, why, why this one? Because like again, I don’t mind doing all this stuff. The, the government, everybody has us doing it wasn’t that, but like I walked into this going, Hey, it’s nothing. I’ve been through this crap. And you know, it’s not, it’s something, yeah. You know, we, we sorta got caught with this one. Vernor’s and Robitussin is not curing this. That’s, that’s what I, yeah. You know, people keep comparing a little bit to the flu and I’ll go into live with why that isn’t the case. Um, so with this one, you know, it’s funny, we do, we do, uh, we actually do prep work. So when you’re up in Asia, we do a lot of prep work and in fact it’s called prepare. And every two years we go through a couple of scenarios. And what was interesting was the U S was part of that in the early two thousands we went through the prep work and we had actually, we did so badly that we decided that we, that we should develop a plan for it. And in 2008, nine we put together a plan, part of bushes administration then moved into a balanced nutrition. We thought it was a pretty good plan, but we then it was sort of, well you know, it’s not that important but we’ll, we’ll, we’ll wait on it. But what we found out was there a couple of scenarios where we do really, really badly and this particular virus is one of those scenarios. It’s human to human transmission. That’s the first problem. So let’s, you know, we’ve got a lot of population. People are close together. They traveled together for a global day. So anything that any small population can move in doing an open travel to a and really cause pandemics, that’s the first problem. The second problem is mode of transmission. This thing is really infectious. And so as you can start to infect people from, you know, just breathing and coughing, uh, and, and the, and the molecules on the aerosol stay on the air for enough time, up to, up to up to three hours. Actually. Unfortunately that that really is a bad scenario because, you know, if you think about the AIDS virus, it’s sexually transmitted. You think about Zika was uh, had a vector of the mosquito and we weren’t able to stop it but vector. But here it’s just out there. And so it’s a, and unfortunately, you know, it’s got a, it’s got a high kill. It’s got a reasonably high kill rate, sort of moderate for fires. It was a hierarchal rate. Equity you would probably die out because it would lose hosts. But this one is just sort of in the, in the perfect area where you kill enough people that are able to survive. Um, and uh, and then we’ve got the transmission uh, problem. And the transmission problems is a big one cause because we have a lot of asymptomatic carriers in this space. So viruses are getting smarter is what you’re saying. Great. That’s one. And this guy is hard, great, great vaccines, but we still don’t have any back. You know, let’s think about the common pole. We’ve had it for a long time. He was trying to stop it for a long time. And we, it’s one of the grownup viruses. We don’t, we don’t have much against these guys. So we’ve, we’ve got a little bit of a wait. So when actually in the end there’s, I guess there’s a good starting point, cause I’ve heard people use those terms interchangeably. They say Corona virus, they say covert, they say COBIT 19. They say like, so from, from a science perspective, w w lay that hierarchy out. Absolutely. So this is called the scientific game is SARS co V to a, so it’s a Sargent [inaudible], uh, virus. Uh, and we’ve had, uh, two, uh, epidemics of SARS and virus. One was his first, the first one was SARS. And then we had murders. I was middle East virus, middle East had us set a very high kill rate and luckily died out in middle East. Stars almost got over here, you know, made it all the way through Asia and then all the way to Canada. And then all of a sudden, just sorta, you know, Peter DOE, this one is not petering out. So this is our second Sarz Cove. Uh, and it’s Covin 19 because it was founded and 20, 19, uh, we’ve actually have about seven. It’s not, it’s not the 19th iteration of it. Like you see all the Facebook memes of that’s, yeah, that’s, yeah. Oh, so you know, it’s a, it’s a tough one. And I thought one of the things I could, I should show people is, is, is something about, it’s important to understand why we’re having so much trouble and what, what, what’s, what’s funny about, about trying to manage, uh, viruses and that is they have exponential growth. I didn’t know if your audience really understood exponential growth. I can give you a first step sense of it. And then I wanted to show you a slide or two that actually showed what really happened and if it made sense for sure. Absolutely. So like, so I mean we’ve, well, I mean, and that’s the thing we used to think we had a very it centric crowd. Um, but then we’ve learned, we have a lot of folks that aren’t in it, that listened to us simulate from an it perspective. We’re familiar with, you know, computer viruses and that kind of stuff and dealing with that. But I mean, I would say assume nothing and start with layman terminology and, and go from there. Okay. Well, you know, um, so what’s it about? The computer crowd is they understand networking and network. We’re working, you know, it’s just think about in fact working and how important it is. It works as end times and nine as one, right? We guys know, you guys know, uh, exponential growth once you hit the network, uh, to give you a sense of this network, uh, it took us about four months to kill a million people and then we killed another million people in 12 days. That’s exponential growth. So let me explain why that’s so hard to manage. Yeah, that’s a, that’s sort of a wild, wild little statistic. Well, yeah, no, those numbers really kind of hit you like a sledgehammer in the forehead. Yeah. Yeah. So once this baby starts getting going and I just show on the slide now, I’ll tell you what, what happened in China and why they were all thought, uh, so here what happened in China, this is, this is actually what happened. Um, you know, and I know a lot of those guys over there and they said, you know, when we first started off, you know, we, we found a couple of, of infected people and we even had a death and we had on a couple of packs of fake people. So at day five for example, if you, if you see, you know, uh, influence, uh, you’d expect to have one about one and a half people being infected and out with COBIT. What happens? So, you know, it has a 1.25 infection rate. In 30 days you’ll have the first case, uh, all the way through. You do the math and to get 15 cases pretty manageable. We got 15 cases. Okay. Now Colby, it has a slightly higher, R actually has about a double with size. Art has a 2.37. I just use this used use 2.5 to make the math easy. Um, but here we have [inaudible] and if you let the infection go for 30 days with Kobe, but think you got influenza, you don’t have your 15 or 30 15 cases to work with. You’ve got a 406 cases. And if you wait another day or two, you’ve got thousands. So that gives you a sense of just how fast you have to act. And unfortunately, we’re used to sort of sitting back, let me look, let me figure this out. Or linear, you know, but this guy works fast. Once it gets started, it goes fast. So what’s happened in China is that they decided that Hey, you know, I think it’s, I don’t think it’s influenced. They started seeing this curve coming up. So we said, let’s stop, let’s, let’s, let’s, you know, put in socialists and then distancing. Now let’s, let’s take a, let’s take this seriously. If they had, so at about the 12 they stopped. They said, no, we’re going to take it seriously. We’re going to go after it. If they had waited, if they actually made the decision a week earlier, they would have only had passed the cases to worry about if they waited a week longer, they would have had nine times the cases to worry about. So you know, you can see that, that, that, that decision, you’ve got to really be able to hit it fast. So here’s, so here’s my thing, the analogy that I, cause again, a computer guy, the analogy I keep coming back to is I’m having so many flashbacks to Y two K right now because it’s, it’s so hard to prove the effect of a negative. Like everybody’s like, Oh that was such a joke. There was nothing really going to happen. No, no, no. You don’t understand how much work went into nothing happening. And so like, like, like I don’t think people understand math like this and, and just exactly how scary insane things can get so quickly. Like this. Yeah. These biological systems really go fast and we’re just not used to working with them in our day to day life. You know, working with, you know, one on one to one, solely making our decisions, thinking it over. And you know, it was funny, in Italy, a friend, a friend of mine is in charge of I and I, I ran Europe. And so, uh, for, for Roshan middle East right next to us and Switzerland. And so what I did, I dealt a lot with the Italian border, uh, covenant CDC up there. And I, I saw what was going on. Literally, I was kind of monitoring it and I said, you know, I called him up and said, you’ve got a serious issue. He said, yeah, I know, you know, I went, I went to the prime minister, I went and talked to the, the, to the head of head of Milan mayor, and they said, what are you talking about? Everybody’s great, you got everything in control. We’ve got a couple of deaths here and there, but you know, it’s good. And besides, we’re coming up with, you know, weekend and so they let it go an extra week and that’s what happened. And there’s your, there’s your number on what an extra week means. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So was it funny, you know? Uh, so I am a consultant, you know, and, and I had lots of clients and I was working along and all of a sudden and middle of February I told all my guys, you know, I think this is going to be serious. I want to stop consulting now and it’s going to focus on this. Cause you know, we’ve just had a mistake in the CDC and so I think it’s better. I work on this just to focus on it. And so there’s all this on everything I’m doing right now is free. I want everyone to understand it so we can get out and get a good solution to it if everyone understands. Dude kudos. Wow. Thank you. That’s awesome. Well it’s a pleasure but, but, but what was interesting, all my clients said, Oh sure. You know, go ahead. You know it, we’ll be back in a couple of weeks. It will be fine. Yeah. So here I am, I got my gum, I fell self caught in the tar. Hey Fred, quick question. I don’t know if our jumping too far ahead or I really like the misinformation that’s thrown at us is, is obscene these days and I just want to like throw a couple of things at you because you hear like, Hey, the hospitals are packed. Then you hear they’re not. Then you hear the hospitals get paid more if they classify coven and then they get paid a lot more if they put them on ventilators and there’s like USA to even fact check. That is true, but it’s still, it seems weird and then you have things like they’re not classifying anything else. Anything else is a death. So regular flu deaths are stopping and their classmate, everything is cold man. I mean what, how do we make sense of of that? What, what? What’s real? What’s not? Yeah, so a couple of things. The first thing I would say is don’t trust anyone who’s really confident because they will. No one really knows. I’m in this game for a long time. I talk with, you know, experts in the field all the time. We have our own arguments about what we think death rates are. Prevalence rates are what we think the R’s are. You’ll get it. We’ll get into that a little while. But you know, um, so first of all, don’t trust anybody who isn’t, isn’t coming to you with real data. And the USA today reports are about, uh, you know, are, are accurate. You know, they, they have the, they have some of the data, but they sort of selected it, you know, and you can’t, you can’t do that fairly. Uh, so there are some, I’m sure there’s some incidences of people pushing the envelope in terms of, uh, quantification of diseases. But, but I’ll tell you, most of the people I know of, first of all, several of them have died. Sadly, most people I know who were on the front lines are working 12, 15, 16 hours a day. And these aren’t normal work days. You know, these, these are really high stress work days where you’re, you’re dealing with death or you’re trying to help people save people on the last minute of their lives. You’ve gotta be really on all the time. And so, you know, my heart goes out to them and I, they’re there, they’re working super hard and, and uh, so if there are a couple mistakes made here and there, I, I, you know, I give it to them. What happens is, interestingly, what we, what we’re finding in COBIT is that it’s not if you’re in control and some of this is luck and so on, but it’s great management. But if you’re in control, we have the capacity in our hospital systems to actually manage it. Uh, if you’re, if what happens though, if you have a sudden outbreak and you’ll see, you know, you should make a slight decision like New York did, of keeping the school open an extra couple of days. Those of those small little decisions really start to overwhelm the hospital systems. And once the hospital systems get overwhelmed and they’re, you know, they’re already close to capacity anyway. They’re not used to dealing with COBIT is a brand new disease. We don’t know anything about it. So once those things happen, you, you, you have a very high fatality rate. If you have an overwhelmed hospital system, usually it’s two to 14 times higher than if the hospital’s system is, they’re just proceeding normally. And as it has it under control. That’s why we’re so concerned about whether you’re going to a peak or not. Because if you can’t control that peak and you start to, you know, start to really go over it, you have a really high fatality rate with this particular, uh, disease. If you’re able to manage it. It’s not too bad. It’s, it’s, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s doable. It’s, it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s probably, we think it’s about five to seven times worse than the flu, but at least it isn’t 20 times worse than the flu, which you get with a and others and AIDS. So that, uh, so like my, my, my counsel is to, um, so first of all, scientific literature don’t believe anything. It doesn’t peer reviewed and, and, and, and if you really look at the methodologies used, because there’s a lot of stuff going out really fast to try to demonstrate something and prove something, usually those studies are fairly biased. They’re looking at, they want to prove their, they want to prove a point that they already believe is the case. And so the way, if you look at the experimental design, it’s flawed and peer review will kind of come through, take a look at it, you’ll absorb it all. But, um, unless, unless you’re talking to a real expert, a medical doctor, epidemiologist, a drug designer, um, I would, uh, I understand where they’re coming from and they have a, they have a job. They have a representation. Me, I don’t have that. I don’t have that wrinkles restrictions, but most of my colleagues do. And they keep pretty quiet. Well, that’s the thing I always talk about, you know, follow the money that’s going to tell you whether you’re done. It seems like there really isn’t an agenda though. It’s like some people are so dead set against this being a thing. There’s some people that are so set against this being a hoax. There’s some people, so like paranoid about like, and there’s no angle. Like, I don’t, you know what I mean? I guess it’s just they’re formulating their own hypothesis and then they’re kind of just running with it. No, I, I, I, so there are a couple of things. Um, first, I, I, I, uh, I hope that we have a solution pretty quickly, but what’s happening in the, in the news media unfortunately is, well, actually why don’t I show you that? Because I had to explain this to, I guess let’s, let’s start with the big one. Do you recommend a bleach injections and UV lights down your throat? No. The president, the president is under a lot of stress. He’s doing the best he can, I think under the circumstances, but he, you know, we all, we all screw up that, that was truth. But you know, I like the fact that he’s trying to at least, you know, put this on the table and talk to people about it. And I think that’s positive. Unfortunately. You know, whenever you’re on the, on the dude on TV, as much as that, I’m not on that much, that office, I don’t have any skills. You know, everyone’s bit, two hours a day. It can be a bit much. Yeah. But, uh, you know, here are the, uh, the situation is, you know, the question is, okay, how do we proceed? And the thing that bothers me when I, when I listened to the, you know, the news media, especially up until about the last few days, is most of the people think that, you know, we’re going to have a vaccine in 18 months and everything’s going to go back to normal. And even between that, you know, we’ll have a one quick peek and then we’ll be done and we’ll wait for the vaccine to come. And then everything. Uh, and you know, it is possible. You know, I don’t wanna, I don’t want to say that it’s impossible, but it certainly is. It’s not probable. What is more probable is, uh, and then the second option, of course, as you said, is let’s just let it run. You know, let, you know, we don’t think it’s that bad. We’re not really sure yet. But you know, if we just let it run through, people get hurt, immunity. And, you know, it looked like a Spanish flu. We’ll have a little bit of population, um, crunch and then we’ll be done. And I’ll go into that a little bit in a second. The last issue, the last, the last, uh, uh, option here is that this is going to be a long, hard slog and I think it’s going to be my experience is that are long, hard slogs. And so if you’re, if you’re managing a business out there and you think that everything’s going to be fine and may, uh, that’s fine. You know, you want to hope for the best, but, um, you want to prepare for something that’s going to last, my guess is at least 18 months of this kind of this, this kind of management of can we open up the economy, close down the economy, open up the company, and we’ll talk about how we can do that more effectively, uh, in a little bit. I have never wanted to rely on get lucky. Um, as, as a strategy. Let’s, let’s just be clear. Um, and, and actually I was, I was just talking about this, uh, the whole Philadelphia thing specifically with the Spanish flu back in 1918, um, you know, the, uh, the war bonds parade that they did that, you know, Hey, we’re going to go ahead and we’re going to relax the restrictions before everybody else says we should. Um, and we’re going to hold this giant ass parade. And within like five days, every bed in the 41 hospitals in the city were full and people were dying by the tens of thousands. I mean that, that’s insane. That’s what we want to avoid that because then you start to overwhelm everything and you get a, you and you have this. So I don’t think this is just a period of time. I think like the Spanish, I think this is going to be sort of an era. There’s going to be a new sort of sadly, sort of a period of time that we refer back to as the Kobe era. And I wish it was just a blip, but I don’t think it’s going to be a V-shape or anything like that. I think it’s going to take a little time. We wanted the wonder years. We got the covert years. That’s you terms of getting lucky. You, it’s your, your, your, your first, uh, first hope. Hope is, you know, right now, uh, I’ll tell you, I, I’ve developed six vaccines. It took me about an average of nine years each vaccine. Wow. Yeah. And actually I’m better than most. So usually about, it takes about 13 and a half years to develop a vaccine for novel virus. So, you know, on a normal platform, you know, proven, scaled, uh, ready to go with, uh, you know, uh, you start from scratch. You know, you’re talking about 13 years, 14 years. Right now we don’t have a single vaccine for a coronavirus. Everything we’ve tried for coat, you know, for, for, for MERS and SARS hasn’t worked. So, you know, right now there are actually over a hundred. This is, this is from, I gave this presentation, uh, in, uh, April, April 4th. So, uh, Harvard and they publish it, uh, in world record time because I thought it was important to get out. But basically, you know, we’ve got, the good thing is we’ve got a lot of shots on goal here, you know, so we can, we can afford to have a couple of losers and still, and we got the whole world working at half the vaccine candidates are actually in China. Um, but there right now, you know, we’re still kind of getting a sense of where we think we can, we can go and, you know, one of these days we can talk about, you know, my area really is drug discovery and vaccine discovery. We can go into a lot of depth and other those options. But today I just want to talk a little bit about the, the it implications for this. Um, and then there we got lots of, lots of committed resources. You’ll almost, almost every major vaccine manufacturer, the implicated is in this big time. Uh, uh, and you know, said they’re going to vote a billion dollars into it. But my guess if I had to say no, if we, you know, everyone’s saying 18 months to a vaccine, my guests of that occurring really is less than 20%. My base in my experience, we could get lucky, but we’re talking about everything working perfectly and you know, I know all the tricks and if we’re talking about, you know, ring trials and ways of, of, uh, of, of looking at, uh, master protocols and having, you know, uh, parallel manufacturing scale up while you’re doing phase three studies, doing phase one and doing what we’re talking about every possible trick in the book, even that I’m getting 19 months, uh, Mac, uh, you know, best. So my suggestion is we probably should have another plan just in case. And he got it. Guy will tell you to have a contingency plan. That’s totally good. That extra 20%. You have the contingency plan and then we’ll talk about disaster recovery. Well, right, that word disaster recovery. So true. So the other option is, you know, people say, look, you know, I’m a young guy, I’m strong. I’ve taught, I can, I can take this, just let it run right through. You know what, we’ll get a herd immunity, we’ll have some deaths. But overall, we’ll also have some deaths if we, um, if we don’t, if we, if we shut down the economy this way, there’s a lot of economic trouble. I mean, you know, what’d you call this David chickenpox parties when we were kids. Yeah. That’s, yeah. Yeah. This isn’t like when like when we were kids and our parents would get us all together cause w one neighborhood kid got chickenpox. All right. You’re having a sleep over at his house cause you’re going to get it and get it out of the way. That’s right. And you know, it might be when we know more about this that that isn’t a bad decision. But right now we don’t know nearly enough about this. My guess is that that’s probably never going to be a good decision, but don’t now that’s for sure. Don’t do that. Do not. Yeah. I believe we’ve seen studies showing that people who have been reinfected in South Korea, so getting it once is not a guarantee that you won’t get it again. Yup. You know, and that’s not something we don’t even know if the immunity is gonna you know, how long it is, how, how, how confirmed it is in terms of preventing disease. We don’t know those numbers yet. We think based on SARS and MERS and we’re gonna have a lot of, we’re going to get about a two year immunity. That’s going to be pretty good if based on a lot of different factors though it could be as little as 12 bucks or even less. Uh, first of all it’ll be, it could be slight or it could be full. We don’t know that either. But so, you know, as you said Randy, we there, there’s a lot of risk in terms of going after this cause it may not even work. So w we know it’s a big bet right now and I wouldn’t know a lot of, a lot of States are saying let’s just go for it. I don’t think we’re ready to do that yet. If I had, if I had my brothers, but I think we have a better way of managing this even short term. And don’t forget, I mean this thing is all in, right. If you start, if you start the herd effect, it’s really hard to stop, you know, cause Oh well let’s, let’s, let’s slow it down. We made a little miscalculation that has all sorts of side effects. You want to word we know about. It kills more people than we thought. And then you want to stop it. You really can’t. It has its own life. And so, uh, right now you don’t have any drugs and we don’t have any immunity and you don’t know much about this thing. So I would take it, you know, I would take it slow and careful and learn. Learn as much as you can about it before you have to really have a big fight for sure. Just jumping around with good. We’ve got a quick question. Have you seen the Dr. Erickson video on Kobe? Um, do you have any thoughts on it? I haven’t seen it. Not tell me about it. No. Someone just does somebody put it in the chat box on the video. So I don’t know. I don’t know. Dr. Erickson, uh, where’s he at? I don’t know. Do I have no, other than, I guess we’ll be Googling it after the show. I’ll take, I’m happy to take a look cause I, you know, there are a number of people who, so, so there are a number of studies where they’ve tried, they’re trying to do this in Germany. They’re trying to do this. There’s a guy named, uh, professor, uh, uh, clique, uh, S, S, C, H, R, E, K, C. K. And he’s, uh, he’s sort of in the middle of Germany. They had a lot of COBIT there and he won. He has a hundred thousand tests that he wants to do on a population that’s quite structured and he’s going to look at what he thinks the right numbers are to do, to do better policy judgments. And it’s gonna take him a few years. He’s already released the first part of that study and it’s pretty interesting. But as far from conclusive, there are a couple of guys at Stanford who are also advocating this. They’re saying, look, you know, we don’t think it’s that big. We’re not really sure, but we don’t think it’s that big. So why don’t we just, you know, block off a part of the United States and see what happens. And so, and so they’ve actually, so you know, submitted grants to do this since um, my guess is that there are countries that will do that, but probably, but hopefully not in United States cause that, that you’re, you’re really asking for, for potential things to go really wrong. This isn’t Sweden doing this right now. It’s interesting. You know, Sweden Sweden’s got Sweden is, is a, is is very interesting. They decided to um, go ahead and do this. They’re protecting their older people, which is smart cause the older people, you know, we look at the death rates and it just scares you. You know, if you’re my age, it just starts to take off. You know what you’re doing. You’re so, you’re almost, there’s almost no death semester compromised until you’re, you know, in their forties by the time you get to 50 now this isn’t, this is, this is population level. And I’m was saying as an individual you should go out and be, feel safe. There are a lot of instances where you’ve got so at a population level and the statistical level, it just, it really takes off with compromised patients and older patients. So what they’ve done is they said we’re going to shelter all the older patients but you don’t shelter all this, uh, of the children, all the compromised patients. And then we feel like we’re not that population dense. Uh, and we are going to do some social distancing, but we, you know, we’ll keep some of the things open and we’re just gonna you know, see what happens. Right now in Sweden, everything’s pretty, you know, Sweden sun 24 hours a day. They, they’re out on the islands and not really concentrated. Once they get into fall, I’m a bit worried that it might come back to get them because people are, are blocked in more. It’s November, the flu seasons up. And also I think I’m just concerned that we might have a, we might sit back and then they’re going to get, yeah, those were the, those were the two things that I heard that I, whatever that discussion about Sweden comes up. The two things that I keep reading and seeing are, um, the population density issue. Um, and then the, uh, they’ve got universal health care, so they don’t have quite as many issues with underlying conditions, conditions, and preexisting conditions like we do here. Yeah. They’re healthier than we are. No doubt about it. Yeah, that’s true. And they have quite a, uh, yeah. So I don’t, I, that’s why we’re all watching Sweden very carefully. The other, the other countries to watch actually are completely the opposite, completely opposite. As Taiwan, Taiwan, these Asian countries got ready because they had SARS. And so if you were in Taiwan, you go to a hotel and your own, and my friend had this happen, this phone shut off and by lost battery power and at seven 30 in the morning, 20 minutes after he lost battery power, they were police at his door in his hotel door and he was quarantined 14 days. So that’s, that’s the, and they can, they can run their diagnostics. It takes us about, takes us about, right now with panel demand takes, you know, five, six, seven, eight days, Korea, seven minutes. So, you know, you can get a sense of just how much faster you can react. If you could get that kind of a throughput. I keep saying, I keep joking and saying this episode of black mirror sucks, but I mean it’s, it sounds like that’s actually not that far. Yeah, no, no, it’s a, yeah, it’s a [inaudible]. So there are different strategies and it’s, we’re lucky because we’re a little bit after everybody else, we can sort of look and see what’s working, what’s not working. So you know, that that’s actually an advantage to us if learn from the other group. Yeah. And I, you know, I think that was one of the things that I re, you know, I remember, you know, there was the, uh, you know, the, all the YouTube videos that came out, um, the folks in Italy, you know, leaving a message for themselves 10 days ago, um, at basically as a warning to us that, Hey, this is where, you know, that’s where, that’s where you are right now. Here’s where we are right now. Open your eyes. And, and again, we were all kinda, uh, you know, like I said, I mean, I have no problem admitting that I was a little flippant about this when it first broke and, you know, the, you know, and it was, you know, an until thing, you know, until the numbers and the data really started coming out. It was like, Oh yes, we actually should take this seriously. Okay. Yeah, you know, my life is at that, that, that doomsday clock and every morning I wake up and it’s on. And you just see, you know, how many deaths have occurred in that, that, that that’s reality, you know. Uh, and luckily there’ve been some, some areas in the United States that it skip and, uh, you know, uh, that’s great. Celebrate, because next time it’s going to come around a few more times. Well, and for sure, I mean, and, and a lot of those areas, you know, it comes down to those things we were just talking about with Sweden. I mean, no, South Dakota and Wyoming are, aren’t seeing huge outbreaks. They don’t have the population density that in New York city, a Detroit, uh, Chicago and you know, do, so it was interesting, there was a study out of university of Texas, a dr Merida to that and she’s very well known, very great epidemiologists. And they said, if you’re, if you’re in a very rural area of the country and you see zero evidence of Kobe, there is a 9% chance you’re actually having an epidemic. And if you see one case of [inaudible], there’s a 50% chance of having the paper. I said, well, the math all works, but Holy moly, this is, this is quite a conclusion. Well, what’s your take on California opening up the beaches already extended and I was a little bit premature, but you know, well actually I’ll tell you, uh, I can see it in the data. Uh, you can, and I’ll show you that in a little bit. Uh, how accurate some of this data is. It’s quite interesting. You can actually start to see what they call reproductive rates of the, of the virus started back up in California, was in very good control up until this weekend. And now it’s out of control. And it, it happens that fast. You don’t notice it. You know, it’s, Oh, it had a nice time at the beach, but in two weeks we’re going to pay. Yeah, it’s too bad. Uh, they, they, they didn’t hold on quite long enough and you have to keep, you can go to the beach, but just maintain your social distance, you know, try to see that six feet and they weren’t, you know, and so I think that sadly, we’re going to see an, uh, we already see a blip and I’ll show you that in a second. So what I gave to the, what I gave to the business guys, I said, look, they’re going to call you forward is combustion. I love it. We don’t know. So if you don’t know what, let’s think about some scenarios and how likely they are. So I said, you know, there’s, you know, it could be like SARS reaches Canada and all of a sudden the whole thing is, you know, we don’t like it anymore. We’re done. We’re good, we’re good. We had our, we had our fund for duct. It’s um, it’s unlikely it’s going to happen, but you know, I gave it a 1% chance. The magic bullet is one here. All about, you know, everyone sort of counting on, right, 18 months we’re going to have a vaccine wrong. I’ll go back to normal. We have to pay for a little bit of economy in the meantime, but going to be wonderful. Um, I give that about a 20% chance. Uh, unfortunately I wish it was bigger than that. But if you talk to epidemiologists and you talk to guys who, you know, create vaccines that are going to tell you, you know, uh, the chances of success before you get to phase three or which all the way through a vaccine development. So, um, there are few cocktails. Good chance here. I think it will be likely that this is the most likely thing will I have happened. And worst thing that could happen is even though we’re working very hard on this, everyone’s active at it, we have all this new technology, it still takes about as long as it ever does before and that’s 10 years. So that was the sort of, and I give that about a 20% chance cause I think we got a lot of good stuff in life. Here’s what it looks like. You can see the different, the different options. Um, and um, so spontaneous combustion heard about magic bullet means we’ve got a vaccine in 18 months. Therapeutic cocktails. It’s much more like the way we manage AIDS. For example. You know, you can’t, you can’t, you don’t have a vaccine for AIDS, but you know, with a good cocktail and it’s tailored for you and you’re monitoring very carefully, you can really suppress the vaccine and sort of express the HIV virus enough that you really don’t have to have account anymore. You realize there are people’s heads exploding right now reading those years across the bottom of your chart. Right? I’m sorry, I want to be responsible for it. Yeah. Yeah. I’ll tell you, when people see this, they know this is sort of the timeframe we use to develop drugs. Normally, you know it’s like no, okay, in 15 years, so he’d always step one, step two, step three and he’s one phase two will be, we can do a lot to make things do things in parallel, but you also take a lot more risk when you do that. You have to kind of balance that and you can see it. Typically, you know, it takes about, you know, for lucky 10 years plus they develop a real full blown, okay, some plasma therapy. Okay, we’ve got some, I know repurpose drugs. Okay, we’ve got a couple of cocktails that really are designed just for this and eventually you get the vaccine. That’s usually what happens. So hopefully it will break that paradigm, but that’s sort of what it looks like. Could be more like a therapeutic cocktail. I have Newt and know Jerry the therapeutic cocktails. I’ll have to, I’ll have to bring my cup next time. I didn’t realize. So I think I, well, so what’s interesting is what I’ll talk, maybe we should just talk a little bit about where we’re at right now and then I’ll show you what we can do about it. And I won’t talk about drugs and vaccines. So I think a little bit further on it. We can always come back to that later if you want to, but maybe we should just talk about what’s going on now with absolutely all we have right now really is social distancing diagnostics. You know, we don’t have any backstop. So if this thing start going at us, all we can do is try to prevent it from hitting us and allowing it to reproduce. Um, and so if we know where it’s coming from with the diagnostics, we can then separate a way from those. Everybody who’s contagious from us and we can, we can reduce the viral load in the environment, which is great, but it costs a lot of money as we, as we see, you know, that’s a big unemployment and we have the drugs. Once you have a drug that that was what I was dealing with with Tamiflu and H five N one I had, I had a great diagnostics, I was working at Roche, we had 80% cupboard. We have about, we had about eight times the coverage that we do in the United States right now. Uh, I’m sorry, no 800 times covered. We have in United States right now for this particular area, and I had a, I had a backstop, I had Tamiflu. So, and even then, even though I had that much coverage and I had a drug at work, we know at one point we, we, you know, it was, it was close to going out of control even with that much support. And then when you get the vaccine of course, then you really have back to normal and then you can start to say, especially with now that’s if it’s a full vaccine and full, full immunity and everyone’s, you know, everyone gets a, enough of it probably about our case, it’ll have to be over 80% 85% of the population should be vaccinated. That point, you can really say, okay, I’m good. I can, I can avoid getting this, this disease and we can go back to normal. But that’s sort of where we at. And what’s interesting is once you’re in one of these boxes, when you’re in one of these boxes, there is not much you can do no to improve your performance, you know, to really fight your, your effectiveness is really limited when you jumped to the next area. So when we get our first drug, we’ll be able to do quite a bit more. And when you get a vaccine, then of course you can do an awful lot more. So, you know, once you’re, once you’re in this box and we’re in the social distancing box right now, you know, you’re sorta, you don’t have many options and uh, but you know, hopefully it’ll, uh, we’ll, we’ll move quickly to the next and the next. But this social listening is all about to and behavior and he has, you know, it’s highly variable. People really good about it. They’ll do it if you will, don’t feel good about it. They won’t. And, um, yeah. Well and honestly, I mean that’s, I, you know, we’ve had that conversation on here before. It’s, you know, the sad reality is, is we are forcing our government to legislate for the lowest common denominator. Well, and, and you know, it’s really unpopular to do something. It doesn’t look like it needs to being done. But as you know, the exponential growth, sometimes you’ve got to take a stand and say, wait, you know, if it goes off, I can’t control it and I’m going to have overwhelmed hospital. So that’s, that’s sort of the idea. And yeah, I think that’s the consensus too, is everybody thinks that the vaccine is going to come out in like two weeks, then we’re gonna go back to business. So everyone you talk to like, Oh yeah, vaccine. Maxine comes out like, yeah, five years, you know that. Yeah, that’s, that’s the, so dude, I’m gonna, I’m going to print out that one slide with all the years across the bottom. Like I’m going to print it out by the thousands. You just start leaving them in people’s mailbox. Well, there’s, this is the other, this is the other two slides you should probably show because yeah, the, you know, it’s, it’s great if it happens and it happens, but you count on it, you know, that’s the problem. And I, and w I don’t see many other alternatives out there other than people saying, I’m going to count on it. You know? And when you really talk to you who’ve done this before, they all say, well, you know, it’s probably going to be a little longer. Uh, so you have to watch those kinds of words. Right. I’m hopeful that, I think that maybe it’s possible that those are all true statements that people who I know are epidemiologists who know that it could be 15 years, but we’re hopeful that it could be. If you listen to how G he’ll say that all the time. I’m hopeful that, I agree. I hope that too. But you know, the realistic numbers anyway, you know, we’ve had this once and done, right? So China went through this, it went up, came back down. You can see that they had a peak peak case on February 10th in the slide and then, you know, by March and the March, they said, okay, we’ve got it now. And so we’re going to ease travel restriction. Now. That really wasn’t so much the case. They let people into restaurants, but if you want to eat in China, uh, initially when they let you out, they were, you know, and, and 95 masks and they had to take them off and put it in and everything he got was, you know, sanitized and plastic wrappings uh, you had to wear your plastic suit and just then to be waived when anybody across the way. I mean, we’re not talking about normal, we’re just talking about ability to do it. I don’t know for sure. Like, I think, uh, I, I just saw like Texas is planning on, uh, starting to open up May 1st, and they’re talking about, uh, restaurants have to be at 25% capacity max. Um, tables have to be at least 10 feet apart from each other. Um, so I mean it’s, it’s gonna be interesting to see how that plays out. How do they expect them to stay in business? I mean that’s the thing. You restrict them to that they have a hard enough time to stay in businesses. Yeah. When their phone. Yeah. I, I feel really bad for these guys cause it’s nothing they did wrong. It’s just that we got a situation where if you go to the restaurant tighter than that, I mean, we’ve done the study. We know, uh, you know, in a normal situation, a person whose problem is two things. Number one, the ventilation isn’t that good and all the restaurants and number two, you sit there for a long time and whenever those two things come together and you’re crowded, we’ve done studies that show that, you know, one person can infect at least seven or eight, even if you’re pretty far away from home. Um, and so that’s, uh, we have, we’ve, we’ve done those, those studies is sort of interesting to watch. Uh, there’s, you know, some at MIT, you can see that a study at any rate and then where they have the big outbreak areas. And Mohan, uh, then, uh, they waited an extra two and a half, three weeks. But even now, they’re still pretty careful about what they’re doing. So that’s sort of a site. And the big question you’d have to ask is, is it once and done, you know, are we all done that, you know, we, we, we, we, we paid the price. No, we should be over. Right. Well, we’ve done the studies and what we’ve looked at is Mars and MERS and SARS. Excuse me. And if you look at MERS and SARS in the wild, we would anticipate actually, and, and if you, and this is the, this is their closest relative COBIT, you anticipate actually, that we’re going to have to go through this probably six times next year and the next, yeah. So we’ve got, we’ve got once, but probably in the United States, we’ll probably go through it another six times. So we’re going to have to figure this out pretty quick. Um, and herd immunity won’t happen even after six. We’re only gonna we’ll only be about 37% given the Gil rate and the infection rates. Uh, yeah. Holy shit. Well, editing it, people don’t really talk about this very much because it doesn’t look very happy. Oh yeah, exactly. This is not shiny happy news. But I mean, so you know, and you kind of touched on this earlier, you know, I do, and Bob touched on this earlier. I think one of the biggest issues that everybody has is, you know, they want that flag in the ground, they want that answer. And science doesn’t work that way. Like that’s not how this is gonna play out. Like, cause nobody knows. And to your point, like if anybody sounds like they think they know, disregard them immediately because no, this, this is, this is a very fluid situation still. Yeah. Just ask them what they got their MD degree in epidemiology degree and how many PhDs they’ve got after the name and you can get her and they only get their sense of rights. Well, you know, three months ago everybody was a constitutional scholar. So, you know. Yup. And this is our best guests based on the closest relative. So it made up. And you know, if you, if you look at the flu, what happens in the flu is then you know, what happens to the peaks drop in the summer because after March it gets hot in the car and the flu virus is actually very susceptible to heat. Unfortunately, the Corona virus from what we can tell isn’t so susceptible. I think we think it’s going to be a slight tick, but we don’t think it’s going to be like the flu. Sadly. It would be really helpful if it was cause it gives us a break. But um, uh, so far we see it in the summer. So that’s sort of the big question we’ve got. I’ll just show you this quickly because it’s important to the discussion about, about it and AI. What’s interesting about this is it, is it a little bit of a different take on exponential growth. So what happens is suppose today you see one death, right? Well, if we think back about the Corona virus, it actually, that guy took about four or five weeks to die, right? Right. Now at that time, if you do the math, if you have a case spec calibrate of 1% and you go through the cycle, people at the time, right? Probably sick because you have one set set, the present fatality rate. So now you can see that one person come out and you got, so that means you got a hundred people right there at four weeks ago you had a hundred people with the disease. Well, if a doubles every, every week, then week two you got 200 people. Week three you got four people, we four, you got 800 people and a day you’re off the page, right? So, so, so the problem with the problem with using death as an indicator is that it’s a really latent trigger, right? Right, right. Now they’re starting to say, well, let’s take a look at infection rate. Now that’s, that’s a better trigger. We want to have 14 days and infection rates going down. Uh, and that’s, that’s again, that’s a pretty late trigger because problem is we don’t have a very good diagnostic system. As I said, we do our diagnosis and then between five and 10 days later, sadly if you go to a doctor, it’d be nine days. If go to the hospital before five, then you find out what they’ve got and the problem. And that’s already allowed. You know, that’s another week or so, right? Even after you get started to get symptoms, which is already weekend. So we have to do is you have to get these, you have to get these triggers going earlier. And I’ll talk a little about those triggers. Those are diagnostic tests that we do in the field. So you actually know where you can already at like day three or four. So that, that way it’s easy to stop if you wait until you see a death. And then if you’re not really sure and you say, well, let’s just see, see what happens. Wait another week. Well now you’re at 3,200. Right? You know, let’s wait one more week and you have four deaths. It’s not that many people. Right? Well, now you’re 64 and the problem with this is we think that this is a pretty easy, uh, this is a relatively good scenario. We think that the numbers could be 10 times this. So actually one death as he’s 16,000 people aren’t thinking that sort of the rate that’s sort of, you know, the level of unknowns we’re at. So that gives you a sense of why these triggers are so important and why everyone’s talking about these diagnostic tests, diagnostic tests, they can push you into understanding whether you’ve got disease in day three, you’re not having to wait until week five. That’s a huge difference. And that’s the opportunity and we’ll get into how we can use that at the, toward the end we’re getting where we got some good stuff was that one of the issues in the beginning was they didn’t have a test and they couldn’t get accurate numbers. Yeah. That’s killing us. You know, we sorta, we sort of sort of, we sort of dropped the ball. What happened was, um, we thought that China had it and then, you know, had it properly done, they thought that they’re going to be able to stop it. They thought, we thought the testing would largely be done in China. China, that’s very expensive. So the big companies said, you know, we’re not that interested in doing this test, you know, ramp up and I’m gonna have to do all this stuff and then we’ll turn out the whole thing. I’ll fizzle out like SARS and everything else did in the past. So we’re not gonna, you know, we don’t really want to create these new tests. And that happened in February kind of timeframe. And so it started to really ramp up. Like we couldn’t, we’re out, we’re taking the three weeks. We know humans as, as, as creatures. Um, so I mean, it did. I mean, is it safe to say that what happened was SARS kind of lulled this into a false sense of security? No. SARS is really dangerous if you, if you, if you were to Asia today. Well, no, no, no. I mean, just, just from the standpoint, like from an, from an, from a us perspective. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. You know, I have to, I probably would say, yeah, we think, well, you know, apply that. Meanwhile, the Asian countries where they were really ready for this, right? They have the laws in place. They’d done a SAR if they had a lot of, you know, had a lot of deaths and so they were ready for a lot of this stuff. And so they were able to stop a lot of it early on and we were sort of, as you said, lulled into it, um, a little bit and, and, and we got a little, we lost that. We sorta lost that month, uh, in February, and that, that really hurt. Um, but, you know, it’s, it’s recoverable. It’s just, it’s a lot of, a lot of fatalities. So one of the things that’s sort of interesting on the it side is how you do these diagnostics, right. And, um, you can start to see, president Trump said today that he wanted us to be able to test about 2%, uh, of the Americans. My, my numbers are going to have to do a little bit more than that. A 2% is a good start, but really controlled liars. You really have to probably be doing, uh, this is a test per week, says about 20 million a day and he would be down at about what, uh, 6 million a day. So I’m recommending kind of three to four times what he would recommend initially, but you know, but that’s a good start, right? So we have, we have three different kinds of tests. The first is surveillance. You come in, you and, and so if you go to a bar in China, they’ll actually take your temperature awesome about whether you’re, and they’ll take it outside the bar. And actually if you see order, the best hospitals today, they’ll also do the same thing, right? They want to test out before you even walk in the door. They’re checking your temperature and that kind of stuff now. Yeah, exactly. And that’s good practice, right? If you see that that’s a much better situation than if you walk in the door and then they start taking the temperature or they don’t get the temperature at all. Go ahead and wander around the building and when we’ll figure it out, if you’ve already come in contact with a few people, then you’ve got a problem with taking your temperature at this. This actually reduces in Singapore, this reduced the number of cases by 58% and the hospitals that did this versus that. So it’s a very effective means of controlling viral barrel. It’s not that, it’s not very sensitive that very specific. So this was, you have a theater doesn’t mean you got to go big. It’s a good start. And especially if they’re best practices, they test you outside in the parking lot. And then if you got a fever they say go get a test and don’t, don’t go into the building. And that’s the best practice. Uh, so I still have to a friend, I still have to see my orthopedic doctor cause I still have some problems with my knee and they wouldn’t even let me open the front door. Like they had someone opened it for me, testing me outside. We drove fine. And then inside like half of those roped off, we could only go here and good for them now that, that that’s really good practice, especially if it’s a maintaining distance all the way through in the waiting room and everything else that that’s, that’s a nice, nice job. That’s a really good jet so that you’re going, you’re going to a good guy. The other thing I’d say is if at all possible to do a telemedicine wise over the, you know, over the internet, that’s even even better. Obviously with orthopedics you can’t do that. They got to test certain physical capabilities you’re having after the surgery. Uh, but uh, for, for, you know, if you’re doing psychological work or if you’re doing normal, just, you know, diagnostics initially, uh, to the extent you can do it with a telemedicine, you’re better off right now. Uh, just to do it cause sure. Yeah. Yeah. So the, the other, so there’s a surveillance. Yes. Uh, uh, the other kind of surveillance test is actually what they call Sentinel testing and they’ll actually, you know, they’ll say really interested in opening up this building. And so we’re going to really do a real area. We’re gonna do a real high density testing just to that area. It’s a little rope it off and really look at what’s going on in that area. That’s, you know, setting all ties passing. We have to do a lot more of that. Um, especially if you want to start to preserve some areas of effective economic activity. PCR area is sort of interesting. That’s, that’s the test for the actual virus. So, uh, the, the, and this is unfortunately, this is the area where we made a little, we lost a little bit of time, uh, and we need to do about 75, in my estimation, somebody had billion deaths a week or so on this. This is to now, this is to manage the demand for viruses. If we’re con, if we’re actually treating them. There are other numbers that say I’m an epidemiologist, I’m just interested in sort of knowing what the prevalence of the viruses then you have. Then you can do it at a much in a much lower rate of testing. But if you really want to manage the test, you know, you got a COPD patient, your doctor, you’re going to have to measure him, him or her, that the patient the five, six, 10 times to understand what the level of vital is that. So it isn’t just about the UVL just this test just once. Right. Gotcha. So that was, yeah, that was, I was actually, I’m like, I’m like, okay, so you’re testing the entire population every five weeks, but now that you’ve got multiple tests on, okay, gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. So, and then what happens is you do more surveillance testing all of a sudden doing an awful lot more PCR testing because people are thought to

Week one of our socially distanced show as we’re all hanging out in our respective houses.  Listen in as we chat about what we’re binge watching and how we’re keeping our sanity and more… Speaker 1: Hey, this is episode 341 of the IT in the D show live from our living rooms in our basements and we’re in our six feet of isolation, I guess. Whatever you want to call it. Speaker 2: How’s just yeah, there’s one, there’s a good 20 miles between us. Uh, all three of us at this point in time. So I think we’re good. Speaker 1: We did it. We did have a phenomenal guests lined up. One of the CSOs from one of the big auto suppliers, but he decided to push and I don’t blame him. This is a crazy time. So you know what? For the first time being remote, we’re going to do this show. Uh, acappella so, uh, you know what Dave, you may fire when ready. Speaker 2: I don’t think that word means what you think it means. Speaker 1: All right. Fire when ready. Why from our virtual places. Dave’s in the basement. Randy’s in the living room. I’m in the living room. This is the one in the living room. So what different living rooms though, because social distancing as 20 miles, 20 miles. I’d be worried if you two are in the same living room. Let’s be clear. Hey, this is episode 341 of the one only IT in the D show broadcasting live via zoom. This is Bob, the sales guy that is gave the geek Randy. I do the Twitters is doing the Twitters Speaker 2: and after careful consideration as it turns out, all I want to do is [inaudible] him a zoom and a boom. Boom. Yeah, just really, really Randy and me got our quarantine beards going on. What’s going on with you? Dude? I’m getting ready to shave mine off. Like I’m like, I’m right. I got to go T going. I think I’m going to, I might, I just shaved it today. I cleaned it up. Uh, but I’m kinda thinking I want to reset. Like I think I want to go back to looking like a 12 year old. Like, that’s a dude. Facial hair is bad. It doesn’t do me like it’s bad for masks. It’s like, what? What are you doing? You’re being unsafe. You’re being unsafe. Ain’t going nowhere. Speaker 1: Hey, find us online it in the [inaudible] dot com. Do us a favor, give us a, like on a social sense, subscribed goes everywhere. Fine. Podcasts are sold. Speaker 2: Yeah, I would, I would love to tell you guys about our upcoming events, but we ain’t got none. Jumping in. I can just jump in right over what cheers, everyone, Speaker 1: chairs, chairs, what’s going on with meetup. Um, apparently if you’ve been following us, um, meetup got bought by we work, so we figured, Hey, good tie-in. We have rental space meet, Speaker 2: you know, meet up, does meetings and apparently, uh, they, they go by by, um, well I, I think we’ve talked about, uh, we work on the show enough for everybody to understand how bad of an idea that was. Yeah. Well, yeah, now meet up is back to being, uh, on its own. So it’s probably, I guess nothing’s going to change anyway. Well, I mean they will, hopefully they’d go back to listening to like community feedback. Yeah. I mean they’re not technically back on their own. They were bought by a venture capital firm or private equity firm. Uh, so I mean, we’ll see how it goes. I mean the, the, the text of the blog post that went out, uh, made it sound like they’re going to try to get a little bit more attentive, uh, a little bit more careful about what they’re doing, which is good. Uh, and we’ll see how that goes. Well, the firm was established just buy meetup, so, Speaker 3: Oh, I missed that part. Positive. Speaker 2: So is it the dude from we work that just established a firm Speaker 3: or when is golden umbrella? Yeah, so, uh, dude, I’m, I’m not, I’m, I’m not going to let the show go a minute further before we start talking about tiger gang. I’m not Speaker 2: mother of God. No. I’m going to get, no, I’m going to get a little deeper and get James or Jones, mother of God. Speaker 3: Like how does that get drop though? Like right when everyone’s home to watch it? Like the timing. Netflix is Speaker 2: brilliant. They are the geniuses. Like right when everybody was just getting close to snapping point and like there were no distractions. There were no, like everybody was losing their minds. And all of a sudden there’s just this glorious gay man with a bunch of tigers. I’m at fusion with a chick that, let’s be honest, murder husband and femme to a tiger. Um, Speaker 3: do you hate that Randy? I shout Randy a meme. It’s like whatever happens if [inaudible] if they actually Ferndale Hazel park. Yes. I like the meme going around. Tiger King has everything. Tigers, lions murder getting redneck trouble. A one armed lesbian alligator arson, mullet pizza made from expired Walmart meat, zoo based sex called a crazy cat lady and country songs about tigers and gala. Dude. Apparently. Apparently if you own a tiger you have to be into polygamy. Like is that how that works? I like the Coke thing that went way over my head. So I’m like what the hell dude, that guy had that guy in Carolina. He’s interesting. He’s a doctor, but he’s a doctor of mystical sciences woman. Dug up a picture of like Brittany Spears concert with him and when he had like dark hair like 1215 years ago or whatever, you know, the best can. We never know Speaker 2: when the studios again, cause here’s the best part about this entire setup is I have all my smoke eaters around me Speaker 3: and I can do this while we’re broadcasting. Technically we kind of cut in the studio. It’s just you don’t, I know. I know. I would never do that in the studio. See, here’s the, here’s the, here’s the best part about tiger King. It’s gotten to the point where I’ve dissected it so far down. I’m not just taking the surface story sets. Easy part. It’s dead. I don’t even know. That guy’s named the fat blonde guy. Huh? The Chuckie doll. Yes. I started doing the Kenny powers bit on the jet ski and I’m dude, the eye of the tiger scene. I thought I was going to fall out of the bed laughing when I was watching that I was dying. I’m watching this with ball and he’s on a jet ski and I go, what’s he doing? He’s doing Kenny powers. All of a sudden he’s standing up doing the doing the goanna unseasoned one episode. Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I’ll be just winding down. I’m like, what’s he going to drive the three Wheeler next and he’s got a skeleton and riding shotgun. And you don’t even notice. This is the weird shit. Wait was wait, was that him with the car? With the skeleton. Oh, I thought that was, I thought that was the guy with no legs. No. Oh dude. At this point you could tell me anything and I’d be like, yeah, probably. You know, I thought, I thought that was the guy that had lost his legs below the knees that had the, that had the three Wheeler with the skeleton. And what’s the deal? Everyone’s got like missing appendages, like no one says nothing. So the one that Speaker 2: girl lost her arm, uh, below the elbow, uh, in an accident at the actual park Speaker 3: accident. My ass, they ran out of Walmart meat. So like he told her to stick her arm in there too. There was actually video footage of it happening. Speaker 2: And then, but the guy that lost his legs like it, it was because of a zip lining accident. And then he refused to properly take care of himself after the fact. And so that’s why he lost his legs below the knees. Um, yeah, I mean, it did. It did. There was so much, so many levels of insanity. And then you’ve got a, this bombshell that drops, uh, I believe it was yesterday where, uh, this blog, uh, the, it’s a true crime blog out of Florida that I guess somebody had reached out to years ago, uh, and said, Hey, I have proof that Carol’s involved in this, um, hit me up. And so they talked to this person and they never published it cause they couldn’t substantiate it, but literally her appearance in the show substantiated this person’s claims. Speaker 2: I shared the link earlier, I’ll shoot it here. It’s like, so apparently certain, you remember the, uh, the handyman guy, uh, that was, you know, Dawn’s handyman that was like, yeah. So apparently, uh, he showed up the night that, uh, the nighttime or the night before, he was declared missing the night before Don disappeared. Uh, it’s that guy’s wife that showed up that that was the, uh, that was the informant that contacted this true crime blog. Um, and she said, Hey, so Don, that’s the guy’s name showed up at home that night with or at Noah. Don was the husband’s name. Uh, the handyman, uh, showed up at his house with Don’s van that was eventually found at the airport by the way. Um, full of all of the guns that donned owned, uh, that Don had owned like 50 or 60 of them. Uh, and apparently they were like, there’s all these D transfers that, uh, that Carol had given to this handyman guy. It’s all a matter of public record. Uh, and it’s, dude, it’s looking more and more like, yep. She, they handyman had something to do with it and Carol whacked a guy. Speaker 3: All I know is that there’s someone out there sitting home. It’s not the only character in the show that [inaudible] guy. Ah, Speaker 2: exactly. Yeah. A bag of math says you’re not straight changed my mind. That’s apparently that’s the entire show. Speaker 3: No, there’s people sitting at home right now watching this going, I ain’t one of those guys be pizzas with Walmart meat toppings. Like that was a thing. Whereas I’m sitting at home, I’m sitting at home going, really, I could have had a tiger for two grand. That’s all that was two of them. I know. Speaker 2: Um, although I’m loving, um, I, I, cause I, you know, me, I’m like, I’m, I’m OCD about everything. I when like, you know, checked out the Facebook pages of everybody, um, and the, uh, the greater Wynnewood, uh, zoo, uh, still has a page, even though they’ve relocated and it’s run by that guy from Vegas that came in and did all that shady nonsense. Um, and he’s not only all about it, he’s like as seen on Netflix, Joe exotic. Uh, but he’s, uh, giving VIP tours. Uh, he’s selling shirts with like jokes, attics, name and quotes and all that kind of stuff on them. And I’m like, it’s a little shady dude. Speaker 3: And if they make a bobble head, I’m by there to get the socks and the tee shirts while you’re waiting, waiting by Leon as you’re waiting for the Funko pop. You absolutely doubt it. But they have like a, you know, I bought like the masterpiece socks. Like they actually have tiger team socks and like there’s like a tee shirt. It’s like this like eighties like fonts and it’s a, yeah, Speaker 2: dude. It’s, it’s, it is. It is a glorious show. And if, if you’re one of the seven people in the United States that haven’t watched it yet, you really, really should. Speaker 3: How do you view an ear though? How do you want to, not like saying you got a one off, but whatever. I know people are starved for talent now, but how do you come out with something that’s either you can’t write that shit. I hope time. I want you to go and you, dude, you can’t write this. Speaker 2: Do it. Like literally the entire, like every single episode I’m sitting there and watching it. I’m like, Oh my God, this is the craziest shit I’ve ever seen in my life. And then like the last two minutes of every episode you’re be like, but wait, there’s more. Speaker 3: No, but like I said, you’re numb. Do it. By the end it was like, Oh, whatever. Speaker 2: Oh, do I do, I was, I was floored by the end of every episode. I’m like, Oh my God, dad. And, but, and then like, so I was, I was annoyed like I, for whatever reason, I thought there were eight episodes when I got to the end of episode seven and they’re doing all the recap stuff. Like, you know, well, so-and-so testified [inaudible] the whole law and order, you know, names have been changed to protect the innocent duh, duh, duh. Um, I was like, wait, there, there’s no more like how was that over? So, but then Joe apparently files a $94 million lawsuit against God, the universe and everybody, uh, yesterday, uh, and has appealed to Trump, uh, to exonerate him and, and, and federally. Pardon him. Um, it’s, I, I don’t know that I want to see a season two, cause I don’t know that anything good would come of it, but I would, I, I’m desperately wanting him to know what happens at the end of this. Speaker 3: How do range do you have to be as a human being to, you know, he didn’t sing those country records. That was someone else really. Yeah. An article came out. I thought that was like, if you ordered Kenny Chesney on wish, apparently like how terrains you have to be like have like do a milli Vanilli and then listen to your like did not even know you listened to themselves in the car and sing to it. I be, I’m assuming they blame it on the rain. Yah, yah guys listening to someone else singing and he, he’s saying he did it like, dude, I’m just saying how like, dude, let’s, let’s be honest though here. Kitty, kitty is one of the top five greatest distracts of all time. Speaker 3: You’ll me and my Saturday a worst cover up and it showed the guys probable tents do over the property. Uh, Joe. Oh yeah, that was bad. I was sitting her watching it. I go, you couldn’t have made that bolt, that much bigger dude. And how I’m going to believe I’m going to be interviewed on the world’s probably arguably largest streaming platform now. I’m not going to put on a shirt the whole time. See, I thought they were Florida cause no, it’s Oklahoma. And I’m like, I’m talking to, you know what? I’m talking to Charles who grew up in Oklahoma. I was like, yeah, dude, you know, I’m like, I’m not talking. I’m from this Oklahoma and not watching it. I’m like, Nope, don’t care. Thank you for reminding me of that. I’m going to start tagging him into everything. I’m sure he’ll love it. He’ll, he’ll unfriend me again in about three days. Speaker 3: It’ll be beautiful and stuff that’s getting pointed. I was like, this is hanging on looser than shows like his, all of his number in his ear. It’s like, Hey, get up by a thread. Like that guy. I’ve never seen anything like that. I mean, it truly is. It is the it, and it’s one of those really, and honestly like I feel, do I feel bad for the animals? Like that was the worst part of the whole thing is like, so what the hell happens to these cats? Like, so that was, eh, like, that’s, that’s like, that’s, that’s my only concern of the whole, like, I could care less about any of the people. Like all the people are straight up garbage and they should all be in jail. All of them crazy. The crazy thing is that they’re tired about, there’s 4,000 of them in natural captivity. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. There’s five to 8,000 in captivity. There’s only 4,000 in the wild. I’m sorry. That’s what I meant. Natural Nat. Yeah, there’s like five and eight like that are in the U S and then there’s like four that are like out like that are living normal. Speaker 4: Okay. Speaker 3: I’m like, what? Nah, you know, I’m sorry, my daughter is over in the corner and this is the downside of doing things at home. My daughter’s over in the corner doing, I don’t know. I’m assuming some tick tock challenge cause that’s all the rage these days. Are you going to challenges? I don’t know. I don’t wish ill will on anyone. But if somebody dares you to lick a toilet, don’t do it. So there’s that one. There’s the liquid toilet if there weren’t a pandemic happening and that too. Speaker 2: I feel like just a general rule of life. Don’t like toilets. Uh, but yeah, so the, the person that like did the whole liquor toilet thing has Corona, uh, the girl, uh, the social media influencer, um, who went off and like was like, Oh my God, no, this will never happen to me. I don’t care if I catch it. Nothing battle happened yet. She’s now on a ventilator, um, in a, in a, in a Florida hospital and like that’s the crazy lady. So that’s the thing. Like this newsletter just came across like a half an hour ago, Florida facing like Epic crisis. Governor has no idea what to do. Oh, I don’t know. Maybe close your beaches two weeks ago instead of today. Now that spring break is over. You had jackass? Speaker 3: No. Well, it’s once the media got ahold and goes, look at these morons and then they’re like, Oh yeah, we might, we might have to close this down. I guess that kid that’s like the poster child for saying stupid shit about it. Yeah. Yeah. He’s like apparently came out with this apology and sort of, I act really stupid and I get it. Like in the beginning we were all kind of like whatever, swine flu, you know what I mean? Um, but then we realized maybe we should, Speaker 2: we were all a little cavalier about it. Like, let’s, let’s be late. Speaker 3: Yeah, I was too. I, here’s the thing, when like at work, someone said like, Hey, are we going to close down? I’m like, you’re fucking stupid. I lived through swine flu and bar and I’m like, yeah, all right, I’m going out and buying hand sanitizer. Just make sure we’re good. I was like, eh, I’ll be in macho. But I was also like, okay, let’s be cautious also. You know what I mean? There’s, you can do both. It’s okay. Speaker 2: I do like the, and that’s the thing. Like, I, I, I don’t know, I’m still trying to figure out the balance between, okay, being safe and secure and I am losing my damn mind. Like I’m muddling up Kate. Like, dude, you know me and, and yeah, like you guys know me. I am what, two and a half weeks in without a trip to Hamtramck without a temple bar stop. The struggle is real, but it’s Speaker 3: no, uh, at least you’re not going on YouTube and singing a chaplain and a magic [inaudible]. Speaker 2: No, I’m, I’m not [inaudible] no, I know. Speaker 3: Good dog a. Dot. It’s good though. It’s good gal. Gadot wonder woman. If you thought you were going crazy what she did, like, here’s the thing, here’s what I’m thinking. Because here’s the, here’s your thought. There’s millions of people that are sitting in their homes and you know, what these really needs is they need us in all of our millionaire friends to seen a John Lennon. Speaker 2: I don’t, you know, I had no idea Gaga was Irish by the way. I totally first time tracking is Jackie Mason, Jackie Mason. That’s, that’s your, that there’s, you’re like, I did an all these things there. It’s the, it’s the good touch, bad touch of social media. Like I, I like I do, I get the whole, Hey, in this together, but apart and all that stuff, but like, no, I’m not gonna stay in at the end of my driveway and like bang my pots and pans and honk my horn. Like, I’m, I’m not, it’s just, it’s not going to, Oh dude, that’s, that’s, that was a thing that was going around like for the past two days. Like to show support for dah, dah, dah. You should like everybody go outside your house and stay apart from each other, but like make as much noise as you possibly can to just show we’re still here. Speaker 3: Yeah, it can be. It can be a community. Good Christmas lights. Oh, just how about just don’t leave. Can we just do that? Stay inside UAF and house. How hard is that? If you’re staying inside, how do you see your neighbor’s Christmas lights? So what’s the point? Speaker 2: Do it. I’m not going to, so okay. My neighbor two doors over, um, when she puts up her Christmas lights, you can see them I think from space. Speaker 3: So that’s absolutely, you know what I forgot to do in the beginning of the show, like, uh, you know, hard South thoughts with like everyone in the service industry, everyone first responders, um, everyone that’s kind of putting their, you know, that stressed out. So I’m going to get, I’m going to be Speaker 2: huge shout out. My niece, McKenna Julio, um, like literally just graduated college, just, uh, started her nurse rotation. She has now been shifted from the cardiac care unit, uh, to the Kovac, uh, unit at Royal Obama, Beaumont. And, um, dude, I worry about her like she’s, this is, but like, this is what she wants. This is what she went to school for. The ed. I damn, I’m not gonna get choked up, but like this is, this is what she wanted to do and this is what she’s there for. And I worry about her every goddamn day because I talked to, I have other nurse friends I like know my friend Becky, uh, that’s a regular dental whiskey in the jar. And I, and I talked to her and I, I hear what she says and dude, everything, everything she says is dude, Michigan’s about to be the next New York city. And, and people like, just aren’t, or, you know, South, at least Southeast Michigan. Um, dude, I, I don’t even have words for the respect to the admiration, the love that I have for what those people that are walking into every goddamn day. It’s damn Speaker 3: well my, my, my goddaughter’s, uh, comes home crying every night. She’s st Joe’s nurse. Yeah. I just talked to Joe this weekend. He’s a firefighter, paramedic picking up patients by the, the literally by the, you know, it’s, it’s nuts. Um, you know, and, and you know, and that’s, you know, that’s the heavy part. The light part isn’t, you know, the people losing their jobs and, you know, worrying about where we’re ready to come. That’s the light. That’s the sad part is that’s the light part. Yeah. But I mean, you know, there’s people that are lucky enough to keep working, you know, like we got to look out for each other, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, the one thing that, you know, some of the restaurants were being cool about it. Like, Hey, I can cover you for two months. Some people are being all right about it. Speaker 3: You know Bobby Flay now, like you are liberal lives to me, but you’re totally dead to me. Um, so I S I saw your, I, I’ll let you finish your rent and then, and then I’ll, I’ll try man, go ahead. Yeah, no, he’s a, he’s got like five or six high end restaurants, Vegas, LA, whatever. And uh, he put a go fund me out to raise $100,000 to keep these workers paid. Now if you know anything about Bobby Flay, he, uh, literally he was worth network like estimated about $35 million and he actually has the audacity to come out and like do a go fund me for a hundred grand so we can cover payroll and that he won’t match up to a hundred grand. Why does he have yet just go do it? Don’t make it a thing. And I get it and I think I got, I forget who it was. Speaker 3: I think, Oh God, I wish I, I wanted to like shoot you guys on Lincoln. I totally forgot it was the M blow. I think it’s Drake or somebody that like, and I love this phrase, black Twitter, um, is just absolutely dragging right now. Uh, because Hey, uh, I want you to like, we’re going to do all this to like raise $1 million. Dude, you’re worth 160 million. Why don’t you just donate it and not me? You know, if you want to go call your friends buying the scenes, go call your Preston of his crap. Yeah. The one, you know, here’s the thing. All the people we talked about ever deserve to complain, lose their jobs. Now, you know, dozens, um, the, the, the vice article about all of the Airbnb, uh, Oh dude, that was a hell of an article. And it was an, and here’s why I thought this article was super interesting, is like, people always talk about how hard it is to find places to rent or live or all that kind of stuff. Speaker 3: And I think the stat, if I recall correctly, it was like 34% of all available, like rental properties in Toronto, um, are held by these, uh, these groups that do Airbnb rentals at which it’s 65% of the 23,000 listings, Airbnb, um, or for entire homes or RVs. That’s insane to me. And no, I don’t feel bad for you because you S you were speculating like a mad man, and guess what? Part of the speculation is you get your ass burned. That’s how that goes. Yeah. You’re a real estate investor. You’re an investor in a stock market crash. You don’t see me going, we told them no, but we totally saw that. You totally did that. I’m not complaining to you guys about it. Good news for renters and Toronto. Like all these people are throwing them in or they’re former Irby places up for actual rent. Yeah. They’re like, that’s a thing is like now they’re like, they’re kind of being forced to convert to longterm Speaker 2: leases or longterm rentals up to a year, which, so you’re now you’re a landlord within a landlord, like, right. Speaker 3: Yeah. Hey, uh, have you guys seen the pictures of fricking Kobo? Uh, those are kind of disturbing. Yeah. So I guess you won’t see it, Speaker 2: just set the stage. Uh, so like, and, and I, I posted this the other day, like I am floored, um, that people do not yet take this seriously enough. Like people don’t understand. Um, like what a, what a real thing this actually is. And kids, if you’re in the Metro Detroit area at all, and this doesn’t hammer the point home, they have canceled the Detroit auto show. Uh, why? Because they are turning the TCF center. Uh Oh it’s radio pine up. Uh, they’re turning it into a hospital Speaker 3: for, for people who are infected with Toby 19, but aren’t serious cases. And if you, any of you look at what it looks like, it’s like almost like motor city comic con, the autograph section, which just canceled today. Right. Which is all piping drape in a bed. And you know, like if you look at the ad, an overhead shot and it was just Speaker 2: well yeah cause they well cause they just, I believe they just started building that out today. Um, but I mean if you think about it like from a, from a a reality standpoint, I mean you know there is, there is a nut and that’s one of the few places in the area. Cause I mean we’ve had this conversation a bunch of times when it comes to cons and that kind of stuff. How do you find a convention center? Like when you’re not a small con anymore or a small event anymore and you’re getting to like let you and you’re not a medium event anymore and now you’re a huge event. There’s a limited number of spaces here in the area to do that stop with. So Kobo, TCF is one of those few places that has the capability to actually make this work because there’s enough exhibit hall space to keep like to build this out and keep people six to 10 feet apart from each other. Speaker 3: Well, the weird thing, this whole thing, and I don’t mean to detract from it, but the weird thing is like when they’re talking to you about the correlations, it’s like a certain blood type and a certain thing of overweight and a certain thing of like, there’s people, like, it wasn’t just an elderly thing, it’s like a predisposed thing. And we’re like, seriously? Like, Speaker 2: dude. So the, the meme that I posted like about two weeks ago now, um, I’m starting to believe more and more in like, so the, the me, my posted was, um, I’m not quite sure how yet, but I’m fairly sure this is all vaping’s fault. Uh, so like I’ve talked to a couple of like, you know, nurse, uh, like white claws fault. Uh, yeah, life was all good. So y’all started drinking themselves or beers? No. But so like I’ve talked about this, so like, you know, if you like think dude, think back like six months ago and all stories that were out there about um, Hey, uh, because of vaping popcorn lung and you know, this 19 year old gets a double lung transplant because his lungs were destroyed and all that kind of stuff. And so I’ve asked a couple of nursing friends that are, that are in the midst of this and I said, Hey, so like, cause I do like I did from an it perspective, it’s the same thing. Speaker 2: Um, if the big obvious answer is staring you in the face, uh, which is a coronavirus Oh, coven 19, do you even bother looking for a possible alternate explanation? Because you look at the symptoms of a severe, you know, coven 19 infection. It is, you know, lung damage and fibroids building up and all that kind of stuff and you know, pneumonia and all that stuff, which are the same symptoms of, you know, these gen one vaping cartridges and these, you know, black market vaping cartridges with the marijuana and all that stuff. Do you even bother looking and, and, and to a T they’re like, yeah, no we’re absolutely not looking at that and Holy shit, I’m bringing that up in our next meeting cause like I, I do dude, I wonder like, cause dude vaping got Sue cause we’re like, we’re now an episode like Michigan is now an epicenter for, for a coronavirus and making you susceptible. Yes. More to the point like, and if you already have that lung damage, yes, you’re more susceptible and so and so the one, the one interesting thing I heard was, wow, you know what? Yeah, we’re asking if they’re smokers, but we’re not asking if they’re vapors. Speaker 3: Don’t you think they would say you’re asking your smoker? You don’t think you’d answer? Yeah. No, that’s not the question that’s asked. Apparently. No. I mean as a, as a, if you were asked that you wouldn’t ask her. I made no, I know. I know a lot of them. Dude, I don’t smoke. I vape. Did every dude, dude, dude, every vapor I know. No, it’s, it’s so much better than smoking, dude. I remember. Yeah, the guy that beeps at work, that’s exactly how he sounds on me. Oh yeah. I’m totally just a daily water vapor to my loan is weird. What is like, I don’t know, obviously I don’t, you know, my, my wife was in the medical field, but she’s not in that part. What is the blood type are they overweight have to do with this? So apparently really blood Speaker 2: type O which cheers, um, has a, a, all the tests so far said to have a greater susceptibility of survival, um, which, and, and, and do it. And this gets back to, and I’ve, and I’ve talked to my friends about this too. Um, the more I think, and I’m sure you remembered, like, dude, like the, like middle of January I was knocked theF out. Um, I was barely keeping my eyes open. I was dead to the world for the better part of like three weeks. Um, I had a dry, raspy cough, which is one of the symptoms I had. And I like, I thought I was just stuffy and I had an effected sense of smell. That’s apparently one of the symptoms. Um, so like I go again, I look back and I’m like, dude, I, I’m pretty sure I had this. The sad reality is I’m sure they would love to get my blood to get serum if like it’s true that I had it cause that’s the one they’re like, Oh my God, we need people that have like come out the other side of this. We need your serum in order to develop like, you know, antibodies and, and, and uh, the inoculation shots and all that kind of stuff. But like I, I couldn’t get tested right now cause there, there’s nothing that I could say that other than, yeah, I’m pretty sure I had it cause of this stuff that I had for like three weeks back in January. But I’m pretty sure I had this for like three weeks back in January. Speaker 3: So there’s a, this is, this is going to be crazy to you. There’s someone that’s a, you know, I have my leadership colors like seven of us on the call. One person’s like, Hey, I’ve been sick since Tuesday, and all of a sudden it’s like, yeah, I’m having a hard time breathing. I had a fever all it. And we’re like, we’re texting behind the scenes going, dude, he’s got the Rona. And we’re like, dude, why don’t you go to the hospital? He goes, the doctors have all told me until I’m like literally blue lift camp, breathe. Don’t bother going to the hospital because a, they got no room for you. And B, they can’t do shit for you if that’s not scary. Like, and I’m sitting there and he just like, imagine how he feels. He’s got two little kids at all Speaker 2: due to everything else. Apparently you’re a celebrity, you can go get tested with them. Right. So no dude, every, everything I’ve heard. So like my, my friends that are nurses in those units. I mean it’s, it’s, it’s scary. It dude, it is literally scary. Um, it is. I, I don’t, I don’t know how they walk into that every day. I don’t, I, I truly, truly don’t. Speaker 3: Um, Joe’s got PTSD after like 20 years of being a firefighter. That gets a thing, like people like kind of poo poo it. Um, he’s, he’s on the dive team that you’re usually, he’s like, he’s done seen some shit and it’s, it’s easy. He’s a little like in the head because of it. Um, that’s, that’s a thing. Speaker 2: There’s all those Florida trips with you that don’t help. Speaker 3: Yeah. I don’t know. At the, here’s the, here’s the funny thing about all of this. It’s like here I am, I’m still like, I can’t get, not funny, not funny, not funny. Ha ha. Hey, this milk smells funny. Yeah. I’m still on crutches. So like literally nothing’s changed for me. So while everyone around me is going crazy, life is hurting this, Speaker 2: you’ve basically been like self quarantine for the better part of the last three and a half, four years, Speaker 3: December. Right? Like what are you doing? And I’m like, well, you know nothing. I’m doing the same cause everyone’s checking in. I mean, how’s you, how you doing? How’s your family? And I’m like, we’re all good. I’m just kind of doing the same thing. Like, I’m, I’m watching bad movies, I’m introducing my kids to the John used sets and, uh, I’m making Spotify playlist of years of my life. Like I don’t, what else am I supposed to do? Um, but yeah, we finally got my girls through. Did we talk about this last week also? I think I started last week. We uh, got them through breakfast club. Yeah. You said Ferris Bueller didn’t hold up. Ferris Bueller did not hold up. A weird science did. Um, and top gun was, I keep talking, I’m just making myself another drink. I’m fine. No one top gun. Yeah, no, go ahead. Don’t treat it any different than when you’re in the studio. Speaker 3: I’m just telling you I’m here, dude. We’re, we’re, we’re past break time and I’m going to make myself another drink. I’m sorry. Just be the same as you’re in the studio. I got to get up 14, 10. Um, the one thing that didn’t hold up, Randy, have you seen once upon a time in Hollywood yet? Yes. If that wasn’t the biggest piece of shit. Worst movie I’ve ever seen in my life. I don’t know what was, it’s only the second Trentino movie I’ve ever seen and I was not impressed. I loved hearings, you know, movies. I, I kind of, I don’t wanna say I was raised on him, but red stop reservoir dogs. What? When I was like 2021 you know, like it was like two hours of nothing and then 20 minutes of over the top violence, the end. Well, the thing that, you know, the only reason I watched it is cause Eric Gutierrez that one of the comical creators said it was his favorite Santina movie of all time. Speaker 3: And I’m like, and I trust Eric and he’s a good guy, so I’m like, I’m going to give it a shot and it’s two and a half hours. And then he’s like, Bobby, you don’t get it. It’s about like the Sharon teed murders. I’m like, no, I get it. Tarantino rewrote what actually happened. Like it wasn’t even, that wasn’t even a depiction. It was like what he thought what would be cool or which just makes no sense. Like either, you know, either it was or it wasn’t. This is wishy washy in between. Yeah. None of the dialogue made sense or, or even mattered. It is kind of like random day doing random shit and then some fricking like, it’s kind of like a boogie nights where like the last scene, sister Christian and the guys shooting people I didn’t even know was an alternate take on the Sharon Tate murders until after I actually sat down in a theater. Speaker 3: Like it was never sold as that. No. And it was a, Oh, I heard it won awards. I’m like, what? Oh, who cares? Like what awards? It was awful. Literally. It was awesome. I’m, I’m happy to say I have not seen it yet. No, I don’t. Literally don’t. Yeah. The only other, um, in a movie I’ve seen his death proof. I mean, Grindhouse double feature for what it’s worth. And I know how much you guys get along. Uh, Matt Rausch completely agrees with you, Bob. Yeah. I, I’d say thanks man. Locked me. I know like nine years ago, I still haven’t forgotten. It’s a thing. Yeah. Um, it’s gotten so bad watching movies. Like how many, how far down the wrong I’ve gotten that I watch species three the other night. Wait, I’m sorry. I feel like I just had a revelation like when I found out they just, they made a house party for like we which we like to call PCs, PCs three and it couldn’t have been a worse movie. Um, who was in that? Natasha? Speaker 2: Did she still do it for five minutes? Oh, cause usually by the time you get to a three. Okay. Wait, she wasn’t in two was she absolutely went to the end, right? Speaker 3: He’s the guy. Yeah, that guy. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 2: Like how the star of hostel was murdered in the first five minutes of hostile to, Speaker 3: Oh see I never seen it. I don’t remember the hostile too. Speaker 2: Can we all just agree that this is going to make a phenomenal South park episode? Oh, that’ll be like, dude, cause they can’t get together to record you. Dude. Stone and Parker have gotta be losing their effing minds that they can’t be in the studio burning an episode right now because you know that, you know that they’ve got at least a half a season of material out of this. Speaker 3: Here’s the thing that I don’t get the content providers and the content distributors should be falling over themselves to get us more shit. Yes. I don’t like Disney plus released frozen two electric Boogaloo kiss my acid sup. It was, Speaker 2: it’s not a duty. It’s, we’ve had this conversation about star Wars. It’s not for you. The kids loved it. They were thrilled. Speaker 3: Oh, it’s for Annie. It wasn’t for I know, but I got to sit and watch the crap. So at least make a couple fricking subtle. Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Make the Aladdin inside the GI, the adult jokes. So I’m happy. Yeah. Speaker 3: Um, but here’s what, here’s a Comcast did it. I don’t like it. Um, they really like the movies that you wouldn’t have gone to see anyway, like the invisible man and shit like that. Um, they released it as in the theater pay-per-views and they’re $20 renters. Nope. There’s a whole lot of notes. Speaker 2: Well, but that’s probably, that’s probably not their fault. That’s probably the studio’s fault. I mean, that’s, cause this dude, that’s the thing. I mean like the studios are not, I mean, so like, and, and I do, I give him, dude, especially like Disney, I mean their parks are shutdown. Um, their parks are going to be shut down for the foreseeable future. Um, but thank God they should be thinking God for Disney plus, uh, and for all the revenue that bringing in. So yeah, let’s funnel, you know, let’s fund it as a funnel, as much of their, as we can to keep people signing up and getting in. Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 2: Milan too was supposed to come out this past weekend. And what are they doing with that? Or not? Milan to, no, that’s, that’s just Moolaade. There’s, it’s not a sequel. It’s a remake. It’s a, yeah. I just, I just want my sesh one sauce. Where’s the, where’s the McDonald’s slash one size? That’s Speaker 3: well, the new eczema movie sweater come out this upcoming weekend and has, if you’re a, if you play Hasbro, dropped all of the GI Joe cartoons on you dead cool them. Yeah, no, that was a, I started watching it and if they have the, I’m looking for the one with the, uh, the three cubes. I remember it was like a three part was the only one that was a three part series. Um, but I’m like, as soon as I started watching it just dialed in like I was like back then. Um, I don’t know if I re reminisced harder watching GI Joe or making my high school 1991 tape case mix on Spotify now. Like I grew up in Warren [inaudible], which is like right just North of Detroit. And pretty much all we listened to was hip hop and heavy metal. So, like literally it was two, two live crew songs to Metallica songs to two short songs to uh, you know, I was, I was going to ask you where the Florida playlist, uh, Spotify was, but then I was like, Oh wait, you, you’ve said a million times, you only had two cassettes, the entire Metallica black saber scale and a mix tape with like Alison jeans and Valerie loves me. Speaker 3: It was just like, it’s like literally Cypress Hill on repeat and then when we drive and pitch black in the night, it was, you know, um, Metallica blacks to keep us awake with the windows rolled down. Um, but yeah, I’ve, I’ve been having fun, like, you know, the, here’s the cool thing about it and it’s like you don’t expect anyone to like reach out and say thank you. Like I had like three people, which I’m totally like enamored with like saying, Hey man, life’s been hard. Like a couple of Joe’s firefighter friends that grew up with the post bar with me. Right? Or like, man, I go, it’s been just shit at work and like coming home. It is hell. And like I played the playlists last night, I’m fricking brought me back to a time where it was like the happiest dude. I, I shared them into the penguin con group. Speaker 3: Uh, cause I sold them on there were, I was making okay cause there were people eighties Pango kind of eighties dance party. Uh, dude, I got so many messages [inaudible] they were like, Oh my God, pink cause I guess that’ll be the next time. So you know, penguin con canceled so we’re not doing the 80s party motor city comic con canceled. So we’re not doing our sit on the outdoor porch and get drunk party. Um, dude, it’s like, I don’t know that cons are ever going to be the same again. I really, really don’t. And, and everything for that matter, dude. Yeah. Speaker 3: People aren’t gonna when they, when they were, let’s say May 1st they open up the flood Gates and it’s going to be may, are we gonna are we all going to go run out route POG in the mall? No. Everyone’s still going to be like touching anything. I’m like, I’m not touching you. Right, right. Who’s the person, you know, like for real though, who’s the first hand you’re going to shake your now you’d be like, you’re going to still elbow bump and fist bump, like, yeah, like people aren’t going to rush back into this shit. I think we’re in [inaudible], you know, but here’s the thing, like, I, you know, I still go to, I still get to go to physical therapy. They open it up for like three hours a day. Um, it’s for like, people that are like me, I can’t walk. So I gotta go. Um, there’s people riding their bikes everywhere. Like that’s like a thing and the weather’s not good. It’s windy as hell. Like people are out in rows. There is not, dude, I don’t do that. That’s a Speaker 2: God dude. That’s, that’s my rant. Like I don’t, um, although I was pleasantly surprised, I had to go out for groceries today. Uh, and so I went to a, there’s an Aldi right next to a Meyer, the all the, uh, there were maybe six other shoppers besides me in, um, the Meyer Speaker 3: packed and ready to go and nobody, Oh, go, sorry, finish, finish. Hello. Speaker 2: Oh dude, I dude, I know. And I also, I make the dude, I make the runs downtown cause the grocery stores downtown, there ain’t nobody there like in there and they’re fully stocked. Speaker 3: That’s what I was going to say to hot tip, um, bowing to the Polish market yesterday. Um, and it stocked in the gills and no one’s in there. Speaker 2: Go hit your Asian markets, dude. Get your ass to Hamtramck. That’s, that’s, that’s where everything is. Speaker 3: Hit the noses Nino’s a stock to the ceilings. Um, the Polish market on 18 and van Dyke was literally stocked to the ceiling. Yep. I go to the market on Campbell around the corner from the studio. It’s fully stocked and only you can we talk about, can we talk about the church on the corner of Campbell and uh, 11 mile by, by the studio level. Speaker 2: That’s not in the corner. No, I know exactly. The church you’re talking about, it is three lights left of the studio. You’re, you’re talking about, you’re talking about the Royal Oak cock. Speaker 3: Yes. And it was the church of Christ and they got the Mark. He lit and it’s as Royal cock.org. Yup. And I’m like, aye. Aye. Aye. You know, somebody who wouldn’t you somebody say something Speaker 2: like, like, you should, you should, you should not have that name. You shouldn’t, you should absolutely not have that URL Speaker 3: oil low church. That’s, that should be fine. Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I’m sorry, is that the Royal Oak code of conduct? Is that right? Speaker 3: That’s the, that’s the joke is like we have a, uh, the network operation center and security operation center and then we have the, the NOC and the SOC, the not going to sock and then there’s the rock in the middle for the war room and like, why don’t we rename it to come every time we’re in there where this executive, where like we’re talking about renaming this to command operations center. Can we do that? Get it? And they’re like, you guys are idiots. And I’m like, so, Speaker 2: uh, it’s the command operation center for knowledge is, it’s where we’re going to call. So I guess I’ll do seriousness just cause, I mean, I, I feel like we do, like, we do share a lot with listeners and that kind of stuff. Like how are you guys holding up through all this nonsense? Like are you like I, I, I’m not gonna lie like I am, I am losing my mind if it w if it weren’t for like the virtual bar nights through zoom that I’m doing with people, I would be bad shit crazy by now. I absolutely would. I, I’m not even going to try to hide it. Speaker 3: I’m, uh, I’m playing empire too. I’m on my laptop. Um, I’m making clay lists. I think it’s not, and watching bad movies and hanging out with the fam. I think what we’re going to get when we come out of all of this, either we’re going to love the people that your wisdom or are you going to hate the people they’re with? There’s no one, I love the, uh, the meme, the guy that’s standing behind the tree with the yellow jacket. Just waiting for those, you know, husbands and wives to be all the divorce lawyers waiting for the husbands wives to be for a day or two. Speaker 3: Cooking like crazy. Yeah, that’s a thing. Say cooking, trying new recipes. I’ve been, I’ve been teaching, I haven’t spent a lot of time like teaching my daughter how to cook like that. That’s been, cause my son has no interest in it, but my daughter does. Um, and so like we’ve been cooking like fiends. It’s simple. Like when I taught my kids, there’s like scrambled eggs, real cheese, make a burger, you know what I mean? Like get the basics down like me. And my saw earlier was a, we’ll face a will Smith shocked face, uh, brunches after week of quarantine, figuring out that again, potato with a dash of pepper. You could cost 31 cents. Speaker 3: Oh finger. Not, not wait. Avocado, avocado, toast, toast, cake. Cos what there’s been, I mean the names have been, I can’t, literally, I can’t get enough. And you don’t know whether or not you, I think you got a laugh just out of cause you have to do, you laugh, you laugh to keep from screaming. That’s, that’s, that’s all there is to it. Like that’s, that’s reality. There’s one, it’s a celebrities Gar going makeup free while social distancing and then there’s Tony soprano going who gives a shit? Just stuff like, Oh my God, why? Why can’t people self quarantine? I’m here in my home. Yet your home is a $19 million mansion with 37 rooms, 87 acres. Ocean view. You’ve, you’ve, you’re making your 18 servants come to work, kiss my ass, who’s usually Hollywood. No one gives a shit. No, no, you’re good. And I, and I do, I’m actually kinda loving the backlash that I’m seeing. Like, you know, talking about earlier about the whole makeup donation thing, dude, I, I’m, I’m loving the backlash that people are finally feeling like it’s the dude you and you rich entitled bro. Like who knew, who knew that our lives would depend on all the people that everyone argues don’t deserve $15 an hour. Right. Speaker 3: You take it for granted? Like literally my favorite one. I’m going to show it. It’s like, what do you do for work? I sell toilet paper. Nice, nice, nice. Nice way to share a blow job on our honor at our, on our podcast about, that’s amazing. Speaker 5: Thank Speaker 3: God we have no ad reads. Nobody will care. Well what’s it like there? Did, I had my first one, it was one of the sacrum post on Facebook. Hey we’re, we’re on a teepee at the house. Is somebody got a lot or you know who’s selling it? Like it’s gotten to that point. I was waiting for that cause I’m like no one’s going to run out. Speaker 2: I do and I don’t like, I don’t understand it. Like why? Like we’ve joked about this like, Oh my God, one person sneezes in 30 people shit themselves. But like, like I don’t, I don’t understand the run on toilet paper. I don’t, I really, I don’t get it. Like what if they never heard of, of lane in the waffle stomp? I, I’m, I’m ashamed that I know that the phrase waffle stop now, like that is, I’m, I’m sad that as a part of my vocabulary, but like, no, seriously, like I don’t, I don’t get it. Like I was in, like I said, I was in both all the NMI are today and they were both incredibly well-stocked, like anything and everything that you could possibly want except toilet paper. And I’m like, Jesus Christ. Speaker 1: You know what I’m really happy that they’re doing though. Um, the, the, the assholes, um, capital ass each Les, um, that are like licking shit at grocery stores and like posting it on Snapchat. They’re throwing them. Speaker 2: So did you see that story? I don’t think I shot it to, I don’t think I shot it to you guys, but I shared it in another chat that I was in. Um, the lady in Florida, uh, that said, Hey, I’ve got coronavirus and then proceeded to like cough and sneeze, um, over like an entire produce aisle. And so they charged her with destruction of property greater than $2,000. So it’s a class, a felony, um, 30 grand worth of food. It was $35,000 worth of. And dude, good. I good. I hope. I hope she gets yell time. Like I, I have no hesitation or reservation in my life. Throw the book at her, kill it with fire. Speaker 1: Are you the guy that like, did he cough on a cop? Like there’s been like a half a dozen of these stories. Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, somebody got charged with domestic terrorism for it. That’s the, the lady in Florida there, there I, there was another guy in addition to the class a felonies. They absolutely are. Wow. Because theoretically you’re spreading a chemical, a bio attack, a bio weapon. Speaker 1: Oh dude. You know what we haven’t talked to pouch. Um, the fact that they’re on our list. Yeah. The fact that they’re the U S mint is a releasing [inaudible] Speaker 2: quarter has already released. So this is a cue that conspiracy theorists, I love this. So as of February 3rd, the America, the beautiful quarter, cause everybody remembers like the, um, they did all the state court and it’s too washed out. Um, the America, the beautiful quarters, like everybody remembers the, uh, the state ones that they did. They released all those. Um, and now they’re moving out of the territories and that kind of stuff. So the one for American Samoa that was released on February 3rd features a fruit bat. Speaker 1: Like besides it Eagle, what would be the thing you would put on a quarter? I think, I think they’ve done bears and shit haven’t paid for like tennis Dee and all that. Oh, like I said, all of us do it. All the state quarters had their own thing on the back and yeah, but like how far down you got to go for like a fruit bat? Speaker 2: Well, but apparently apparently American Samoa is known as like a, a fruit bat. Like that’s one of their things that people go there to see. And it’s a tourist thing. Speaker 1: I get it. I have to curious theories like little puppies with wings, poppy rats, Speaker 2: that’s a pigeon. A pigeon is a rat with wings, but no, so they got, it’s like apparently, yeah, they were released on February 3rd. Um, so like they’re actually out in circulation. And I would, I would, I would love to get my hands on one and I would love dude, cause some of the dudes, the conspiracy theories that are floating around Speaker 1: are amazing. Well, stuff’s really weird right now. If you look like, you know, like a, there’s, you know, we talked last week I went to, I’m gonna start making a list. I’m like I don’t care what team you root for when you go to vote in November. But due to I don’t care right now like people are dying cause like you suck. Just get shit done. How, like how, how, how hard is it to know? Okay. Why was the stimulus bill more than a page like maybe to like, Oh I was there. No, why was there pork in it? Why is it like money going to this, who cares? The Kennedy center can kiss my ass like that. Speaker 2: Like none of that shit like it. Why were you not just focused on Speaker 1: helping the American people and being done with it? Like, it’s, I like flying everyone into like 10 different categories cause you have people that are, um, like the gig workers. Like you can’t just say unemployment for X. Right? There’s people that do stuff like this. It’s not, this is not a black and white economy anymore. There’s people that do different things, self-employed, small businesses, um, restaurants like, you know, people that were kind of tips or just there’s tons of different classifications for sure. Write that out, make sure those people are taken care of and gun sign it, get it done Speaker 2: for sure. And I mean it’s, and I’m glad to somebody, you know, and Whitmer I mean, you know, as, as you know, good, bad or indifferent, people have different opinions of her. Um, you know, just a sign that executive order, I believe earlier today, uh, that extended all the unemployment benefits to the self-employed, the gig workers, all that kind of stuff. Good. I mean like that’s, that’s what actually needed. Cause I mean like how many people do you know that like, Hey, I started driving Uber and it worked out well, so that’s what I’m doing full time. Speaker 1: Well, dude, the shade, the shade needs to stop. Like, you know, like on social media, all of it. It’s the last thing any of us need is my team. Your team did some stupid 19 better, right? Like dude, there’s for as much shit as there is going on. Like I almost like literally I’m making a list, but let’s be honest, Trump does to shut the hell Speaker 2: I can just stop talking. Do you know what? It’s funny you were talking about, Speaker 1: I forget which comedian was on Rogan. Um, you know how I watched the clips on YouTube? I don’t want to listen to the whole thing, but they’re like, Trump is like nicotine and it fits in with the smoking. I know, I go, it’s a great drug. It’s just the delivery. Speaker 2: And he goes, cause some of the things he’s done, Speaker 1: global trade and leg, the economy. Some people could say it’s good, but then when they do, it opens his mouth. It’s like a diarrhea Speaker 2: festival. Well did, we’ve talked about this a million times. If he would have just been the sales guy that brought people together, everything would’ve been fine. And nobody would have said a word, but no, he can’t shut the hell up. Like I’m, I’m still, I still don’t know how, how is nobody changed his Twitter password? Like how was I, was nobody just like, I, I do, I love the meme that like, you know, D dr Fauci invents new life-saving mask and it’s duct tape over his mouth like that. You see those conversations, sir? Give me your phone and he locks himself in the oval office. It’s not even funny. It’s actually not. No, I can totally picture Trump as a teenage girl. Yeah, absolutely. It’s my gram. Speaker 1: Well, as soon as I heard the nicotine, I’m like, Oh my God, that’s freaking brilliant. That’s so true. It actually is absolutely amazing. It totally is. Yeah. Enough put the shade is take care of people for crying to take care of your neighbors. My, uh, my, my neighbors are really good friend of mine and his, his mom passed and like, they had to have like a one person funeral because the funeral home and instead of fricking sad, like I talked to him on the phone for a couple hours. It’s bad enough your mom passes away, but then he’s got to go through that. So like we’re bring them over a plate of food. It’s like, dude, that’s the crap you got to just take care of your neighbors, man. Just look out for each other. You know, this isn’t rocket science right now. Just, you know, you get bored. Just do something nice for someone. Hey, there you go. This as I say, I feel like Speaker 2: we should, we haven’t dove in it if we haven’t dove in to any of the stories that we had listed. And so I would do that cause we are, we’re here on zoom and I love that zoom has the virtual background feature, which is amazing. Like the, I was using this one for awhile. Um, I’ve got one that’s the, you know, this is fine. Sit down. Where I’m seeing is sitting surrounded by fire. Um, I’ve, I’ve got one where I’m getting attacked by a Raptor. Speaker 1: The problem is you’ve got to have a nice camera though. Like my camera on my laptop sucks. And as soon as I do what I look like a, like a ghost of Randy, you’re all washed out. It looks stupid. You know, my, uh, my computer’s not power, not full enough to do it without a green screen, but I don’t have a green screen. So it looks really bad. Yeah. Yeah. But it’s, it’s fun. Uh, all the human right Speaker 2: could disappear back into He-Man. Speaker 1: At least make it, no, because you’re like, now that we’re on virtual meetings, Microsoft teams lets you blur the background, which is worse rather than this. I’d rather just, you’d be on a Starship enterprise than worrying in the background. I can see her Alan Trammell signed poster. Like why do you need a polar that right. Speaker 2: I’m actually impressed by that. Show it off a little bit. But that’s like, that’s, that’s the weird part is the shift that cause me. I mean, we’re going through it like I, you know, the shows, you know, you know, we’ve got eight studios in three different locations that are now closed. Um, and all those shows want to keep running and want to keeping the boys out. And so, you know, we had, you know, Skype was a thing and as it turned out, zoom actually supports lower bandwidth connections better. And so that’s why we’re doing that. But I mean it’s, you know, keeping shows up and running and just, whether it’s, you know, meetings or this kind of stuff like it, it is like that whole shift of what’s normal like is, is, is this the new norm for podcast now? Like, no, like when you’re not going to have host together sitting in a room in a studio and I mean us inevitably like we’re, we’re going to be, we’re, we’re going to be in the same room like cheersing a beer and all that kind of stuff. Cause that’s how we do and that’s what we are. But I mean it’s, it’s, it, once you prove that the technology is possible and I don’t have to leave my basement cause Speaker 1: I like my base dude, look at, look at how we work. There’s 5,000 people and under one roof sitting five feet of five feet apart. Um, we’ve got everyone working remote. So like now, today I got a call from my bosses, bosses boss, um, or whoever, and he wanted to see how I was doing. I go either, you know, either I’m getting, uh, you know, which doesn’t have Guinea. He goes, can you take a team’s call? And I’m like, take a team’s call. You know, how to call my cell phone when you’re getting yelled at or I’m getting promoted or I’m getting fired, or like, and he’s just like, how’s it going? And I go, good. He goes, what are you guys doing? I go, well, here’s what we got a daily huddle on, on teams or on GoToMeeting, on video. Um, we’re on teams. Speaker 1: We opened up a teams chat for the entire, all 35 of us. So like, if someone’s got an issue with something, you know, we’ll call it out. Or if there’s a ticket that needs to be addressed or somebody, you know, we’ll call it out. And I go and if anyone needs help, they cry out for help. And they collab on that. So I go there, the collaboration is still there. We’re just doing it different. We just figured out a different way to do it. And I go anyone that’s not part of the team that it was part of that chat hates us. Um, cause there was a few people from the other Speaker 2: cause I think that’s the best thing that I’ve seen so far as if this is thought as nothing is. Yep. That meeting could have been an email. Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Well like we’re, we’re, we’re, we’re just as productive. The projects are moving forward better than they ever have. Um, a few of them cause we’re able to go, there’s no distractions. They’re getting those taps and stuff. Stuff that they th

    Welcome to the quarantine, did not shut down, the central studios. Here we are the IT in the D show. This is episode 340 the show must go on guest this week include Reese Sarah, he is the COO of managed way. We’re going to be talking about if we’re going to be running out of internet cause that’s been a hot topic of late and a again, nice timely guest talking about the things that we care about deeply. Why is okay now I can hear me. That was weird. Sorry. I was like, I’ve got to get some of them internet. God, I get the Internet’s Dave may fire and ready. You are listening to the podcast. Detroit visit www.podcastdetroit.com for more information just like ESPN, we ran out of stuff to talk about, so we’re going to be talking about stone skipping for two hours. Just Oh, this is actually technology. Actually this is a topical these days. This is the one only IT in the D show. Episode three 40 podcasts and live here in studio one in the essential podcast. He trades studios here in Royal Oak, Michigan. Bob and we’ll talk about that in a minute. This is Bob, the sales guy. That’s Dave the geek. Randy. I do the Twitters is doing the Twitters because Twitter’s is still a working. Find us online IT in the D.com until it doesn’t work. And I remember to give us a like on the socials and subscribe to us everywhere. Fine podcasts are sold a year. We got nothing. Uh, we event wise. Yeah, no. So our event last week, uh, unfortunately canceled, uh, because of everything going on. I talked about doing a virtual thing and it did. The more we talked about it, the less sense it made people in a Google hangout going, Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey it, no. Um, unfortunately our Ann Arbor event, uh, has now fallen victim, uh, for the first Tuesday of April, uh, with the extension of the closure, uh, out to at least the 13th at the or through the 13th at this point to the 14th. Uh, and, and who knows? Cause now we ha we, we just got, we all just got the same emergency alert to our phone. Dude, that was the first, so I’m listening. I listened to 97 one typically when I’m at what I’m in the car and I’m just, I’m just done blog. Okay. And I heard that was the first time in my life I’ve heard, and I’m trying to go back my entire life to one I’ve always heard the test is a test of the emergency broadcast system. I got it through to my phone. I know I did both. Oh I gotta tell my phone also, but it was, it was live over the radio. I’d call it, cut him off cause he’s like, Oh my God, that was so loud. And he re-read what he was talking about and that was the first time I’ve heard it. And it was [inaudible] governor Whitner, you know, you have a 12 o’clock, uh, a nonessential business. It was basically read what it said on your sent to your phone, but I’m like, Hey, that was it cause we were not in hurricane country. That is, yeah, that would have been the first time that I’d actually heard a cut in like that. Cause it’s always like it has been a test of the emergency room. I get like no, this was the actual first time I had that. But like apparently it’s like super loud when you’re a radio DJ and it plays when it takes over you. Yeah. I’m not surprised I guess. But yeah. So I mean I guess the latest update, uh, is that uh, yeah, not all non-essential, but I guess here’s my, yeah, so the whole nonessential business thing. Uh, you’re supposed to close as of midnight tonight, but you look at what’s qualified as an essential business and it’s like, well what I like, who’s really got a close that cause, well it’s, it goes, it goes down, down, down the line. Like so like United shores essential business finance, it’s financial services but also distributors and suppliers and people that mean that sub selves is all your it guys, all your [inaudible] food service Telcom. Cause we were worried cause we’re, you know, building out the new building. This is a great time to do side hustles and side projects that were like, is black box, can they still run cat five fours? Is that a social services or a supplier? They’re a supplier. Distributor, yeah, I guess so. So like now it’s like really awkward. I know how yeah. Like yeah I guess. And then Mark, um, friend of mine works for waste management. He’s got to carry around a letter. Um, yeah, it says he’s an essential laughably we can write those letters if we need to because apparently we’re an essential service cause we’re immediately, we had to talk about that today on our, on our call because one guy out of our team of 30 has to be there just in case like you’ve got to reboot a server, get onsite at the data center. Um, or like do we I those letters, he was like, well I don’t think so. But I’m like, well, what they’ve said is, well granted, I mean, you take what they’ve said with a grain of salt at this point. Cause I mean as of yesterday, um, she said there wasn’t going to be a stay in place order and then as of 11 o’clock this morning, there’s a stay in place order. Um, but they’ve said they’re not going to be pulling people over or anything like that. But what they are planning on doing is targeting quote unquote. And this is again why, okay, well who’s not supposed to be open. They’re gonna be going to those businesses that they see open and be like, all right, what the hell are you doing? Everyone’s got an argument though. If you’re a dry cleaner going, I’m supplying the bank laundry. Laundry. Laundry is specifically exact laundromat dry cleaner. That’s what I mean. If you actually read the verbiage of this who Oh yeah. Who’s not exempt oil change place. They’ve got to do the car for the vice president of the bank. Got it. Keep us. So you know, hardware stores are still open because you’ve got to keep that house repaired. Dude. If liquor stores and weed dispensaries are on the critical list, I yeah. Well, cause that’s sort of like the guy that I was calling in 97 one that now that I’m listening cause the damn beeping in my ear, he’s talking about like, it doesn’t seem like anything’s changed, like just a little bit lighter on the roads and it’s a lot lighter on the roads. Yeah. But 70 fives close. Like it all got cropped out to two down to two lanes, which is one thing I was gonna yell about. Like now that there’s no traffic, fix the damn roads and you know, I guess you can now. Yeah, if you do some road crews, road crews are essential services. Yeah. I’m going to operate it. You know, I guess we’ll talk about TV in a minute, but I just want to hop right into this. The best article I read all week and it’s, it’s, it, it talked to me. Um, basically how well gen X is handling this more. I love it. Love it, love it. Well, it goes on to basically, you know, then there’s another thing going, Hey, by the way, um, millennials, you know, millennials aren’t the ones, um, you know, rushing to the stores and like those are G are rushing to parties and like being assholes. Those are, that gen Z are back. We’re in our thirties now. Our backs hurt. Right. But like gen X, like we are like, I’m quintessential gen X born right in the middle of it. Yep. 73, um, like the Nirvana thing at high school graduation, you know. Um, but basically talking about how we lived our first, what, 13 years of our lives with no electronics. Yup. So we, like, we, we know how to use elect. We’re the only generation that knows how to use electronics addict or technology adequately. And we’re the only generation that knows how to live a life without it. Yup. So now at this time it’s like this, like no one from my peer group or anyone I know is panicking. They’re just watching TV and shit. Yeah. Like, life’s good. Right? Well, it’s like I said, dude, I’m like, I’m taking advantage. I’m finally getting around to like handling a couple projects like I, so the, my kids are ecstatic cause in the basement I’m, I’ve got um, an original PlayStation two [inaudible] uh, a Nintendo GameCube and 64 and the original, we, I’m on Atari 2,600 and some other stuff that I’m finally hooking up to one of the big screens down until I got to make this funny about that. Like I did that in like, Oh one in my townhouse. I was, well I just was like, well dude, do you remember my old basement at the old house cables? Well, but so now I figured out, okay, here’s all the stuff that I need to do this now cause okay, how do you hook all that stuff to a TV that only has HTMI inputs? No red white, no, only HDI inputs. That’s what I thought. I excited red, white and I just basically had it. Oh yeah, no. So, so here’s a great story. So like I had Sunday, I just, I had to get out of the house and I went to, I was going to go to best buy and pick up all the stuff that I needed and my daughter, you know, wanted to get out. And, and so she came with me. So number one, if you ever decide that you want to have a little bit of fun, assuming they stay open, uh, best buy has like big giant signs on the doors, uh, that says, you know, social distancing, six feet strictly enforced. Um, just like walk in and then like flinch towards one of the employees, like you’re gonna get close to them and like watch them jump back into hilarious. Like they’re absolutely paranoid about it. Um, so we go walking in and the guy’s like, Hey, you know, can I help you find anything? I said, yeah, don’t worry about it. I said, I’m, I’m just looking for some video upscale units. Uh, I gotta hook up some old components to a newer TV. And he goes, Oh, we don’t carry that kind of stuff in stock here. And I went, yeah you do. So I walked back to home theater. Sure enough, they, I need six of those. Give me, did it. And then I’m in and out. Like walking back out. My daughter, she’s 12 and she’s, my daughter cannot help herself as we’re walking up towards, and we walked past Skippy, Mick flinch a lot. Uh, and she says, um, yeah, my dad found everything he needed like right where he thought I was going to be. You should probably stop telling people that you don’t have things that you have. Well Skippy probably doesn’t like people in his store and others that talking near him, he’d rather have an empty store, no profit. Although that was the best part is so that I get it. It’s, I get up to the register and they do, they have lines taped out. Uh, yeah. I went to a Meyer to return something they had X’s and where you’re supposed to stand six feet apart from each other. Um, and so I get up to the register and I pull out my best buy reward zone card. Um, cause the kid, he’s like probably 19. He was like, are your rewards? Don’t remember. I’m like, Oh yeah, here’s my card. And he was like, Whoa. I was like, what? I’m like [inaudible]. He’s like, I’ve, I’ve never actually seen [inaudible] card. They’re not that, well, five years ago he was probably 10. Yeah. You, yeah. So yeah, so it was, yeah, basketball, it was entertaining. So I’m hooking all that stuff up. My kids are excited. Life’s good. And speaking of that, um, ESPN, whoever’s your programming director is fricking, I never wanted to use the word fire in a to S describe something like, that’s so fire. But dude, ESPN right now could not be out doing themselves any better. Like last night, a WrestleMania 30 was on to flip around and it’s a fricking Lesnar versus undertaker. I’m like regular ESPN. I’m like, I’ve never seen this before. Tonight, right before I got it was a, the tastes and fury, the huge heavyweight fight that was. Yeah. And then he had a part to kind of can’t think of the other guy’s name. It was a Korver. Uh, anyway, someone will correct me. Um, that’s the part one and two were back to back, like cut down to like an hour. Um, that fight was on over the weekend. Um, hamburger eating contests, stone skipping, marble racing. Um, I th I believe I saw the rock, paper, scissors championship. I missed one. I missed. I have a TV has been absolutely just glorious. Nothing else going on. What are you going to do? No, and again, it’s like, okay, well we’ll just watch that and be happy and do whatever. Apparently that lion or the tiger training guy, apparently that thing’s insane. I’ve known him. Netflix. Yeah. I haven’t watched it. Yeah. Like as soon as they see like five people posting about it, I’m like, alright, that’s gotta be a thing. Um, but then the, the best it’s been meme ha, uh, memes. Glor memes galore means Laura, um, loving every minute of it. The one I already told you guys twice, so it’s probably not funny. Randy’s prior this four times out of my mouth since I’ve gotten here, but the one is, I’m on my 73rd TV show and I’m on my 200th nap and it’s still today. Yeah. And that’s really what it feels like. It was. Yeah. I’ve eaten 11 times and watch 19 different shows and it’s still today. I was that possible. Right then, you know, then everybody’s worried about, um, there being martial law. So the other one meme was the guy looking out the window going, there’s a car driving and I don’t think they’re going for groceries. Nine one one. Well, and so the Michigan state police actually just put out a, do not call nine one one if you think someone is violating the stay in place order, that’s not what that’s for. Can I go off on a little rant real quick? We don’t need godfather. Can I stop you if I wanted to? It’s a couple of things right now. And I think what happens is when you get people either I want to go on the professionals, I don’t want on the personal side, if I get another LinkedIn introduction requests message that basically has covert 19 in it and want to do, I want to book your it training now or covert 19. Um, do you want to buy some shit or in 19 do you have your VPN solution in place? Like I’m keeping track of you. Like I really am like this just right now it’s not a time put your goddamn cell phone down. Yeah, it’s not a time right now. Like in the beginning everyone was kinda like, eh, whatever. It’s swine flu. But no, like the, the world is shut down right now. You shut down too. Um, and I, I’ll be honest, I’m keeping all lists. I’m keeping two lists. And other one is, you know, this is a time like, do you ever hear of the nine 12 project? Um, I always liked the nine 12 project. It was remember the day after nine 11 where there was no Democrats or Republicans or it wasn’t all progressives and conservatives, it was just we were just Americans. We’re all looking out for each other and this needs to be another one of those times. And too many people are whining about politics on Facebook. AB I’m chalking it up probably cause they’re bored. Um, but they’re playing this game, my team mentality crap and your team’s stupid. My team great. And it’s uh, it sucks. Not only that, but what you’re seeing with a lot of it, especially with this stimulus package that you know, was going back and forth, you’re seeing a lot of people that are parroting and this has been some dramatic results with them. It starts with them at the top, the ones that tried to pack all this crap instead of just doing a stimulus package or trying to like bail out specific industries and friends and like they’re writing stuff into it. Then, by the way, and then you know, this, you know, one party is going to write the entire thing, give it to the other party Sunday at five o’clock and go here, pass this and it w well no, let’s at least read it. Can we like, would that be okay? Kitten haven’t read bills in years, you know, this, but the fact that they’re not there, you know, the fact that they’re not looking after the people first like just puts me in like almost like I never want even like the, I’m so disenfranchised with American politics right now to know what about everybody out? Just all of it. That’s what we’re supposed to do with the whole drain, the swamp thing. Um, but I meant that with both parties who I’ve voted libertarian, I’ll, I don’t care now, I’ll just whatever straight up. Cause I hate both of them. Um, I’m so, like I said, I’m just, I hope everyone else is disenfranchised with it to these fricking stupid games and as toilet garbage. Just, you know, people are like, dude, there’s people like that screaming that they need help right now. Like there’s funds being set up for people that like their, their livelihood just got stripped away from them and they didn’t, you know, plan or there were so many posts today that I saw from, uh, like bartender friends that have signed up for, uh, go tip them that Nick set up. Yeah. And, you know, just the, Oh my God, thank you guys. Like it’s, you know, they like that was their source of income. I mean, that’s, that’s what they did. And, and I, I get tired of the genetic, cause I’ve seen some of the, Oh, well you should have gone and got a real job, real job, get a job, you know, and that’s whenever you’re doing it puts food on your table and pays for your roof on your head as a real job. I don’t work at McDonald’s, you know, it’s a real job. Like, you know what I mean? It provides for your, you or your family or whatever it is that you do. Yup. Um, so speed to which, but if you are a, if you’re a bartender this listening or if you have friends that are bartenders that listening, uh, I mean, I’ve been sharing it a lot and I almost feel bad every time you see an update from David’s, like, Oh my God, I have so many updates to run. Uh, but it, uh, it’s go tip ’em, G O T I P E m.com. Go get your ass signed up. Uh, get your PayPal, Venmo cash app links out there. Uh, and the whole shtick is, Hey, while you’re sitting at home and having a drink a lot cheaper than you would be in a bar. Um, you know, shoot your favorite neighborhood bartender or you know, the bartender at the bar that you go to all the time, shoot them, you know, a buck or two and help out. That was a, that was the joke when I, you know, I’d go on my drinking hiatus at all the bartenders and Auburn Hills, Ricardo. Now everybody not drinking, like, you know, it’s a, it’s a, and that’s a thing. Like they’re, um, and they’re all still in their own sleep schedules. Like I get updates all the time from my friend, you know, and I’m like, they don’t know what to do. Like, they honestly don’t know what to do. Some of them are, you know, going back to their folks, like, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s a thing. Um, yeah. But you know, I’ve been trying to get takeout as much as possible and I think this restaurant in Illinois one, um, the best, the best idea ever. So there’s a deplane Illinois, there’s a, it’s a restaurant or basically it’s a Pirkle they’re ready to go, or, um, it’s called the beacon tab and basically they’re giving you a roll of toilet paper, um, to take home with you with every order. So if you order like some chicken parm and you know, a couple things, couple appetizers, uh, they’re giving you a roll of toilet paper on top. Well, and speaking of that, cause obviously, I mean the, you know, the stories are everywhere about, you know, how, you know, you can’t find toilet paper anywhere. I love that. The Costco’s and you know, the other wholesale clubs, the role that are basically every store has said you can’t return it. They’re returning it. Yeah. Come on. So, Oh, we didn’t want you to buy 80 cases. Well, they’re just going to have three years supply works well, but because we don’t know, if you have it and it’s been contaminated, like maybe you coughed on it, you can’t return it. Well cardboard’s a thing. My wife’s in the medical field and like, you know, we get Amazon to like leave it on the porch for two days. Yeah. It’s porous. Right. And I’m like, okay, whatever. I’m not arguing with her on this stuff. I’m arguing with a thing. You know, kids are going bloody hell because they can’t have sleepovers. Oh dude. Yeah, yeah, that’s, yeah, the, yeah. My kids are not happy with that at all. Yeah. No, I mean deal with it. Come downstairs and watch it later. That’s the thing. Like, I finally, finally, this is perfect timing. I’ve been bugging my kids. I’m like, Hey, when do you want, you know, dead, dead night. And I wanna I wanna introduce 16 panels in a breakfast club to you or like whatever. I got stuff to do, you know, now they’re locked in the house with me and I made them watch it. So far I’ve done a never ending story in labyrinth so far. Never ending story. We introduce that we’re like six, made them all cry with a horse, dicey guitar. Um, but 16 candles, solid winner. Everyone was in agreeance like, yeah, great. Ferris Bueller’s day off. Not so much. Why? I don’t, it didn’t to me, I don’t even like it now. Like I’m watching it. I was like, it’s not funny. It wasn’t like breakfast club, like kind of like, like it’s really emotional and like it’s a good written like first Bueller was just like, it was like I’m just jacking off all day. Like skipping school. Like it was just basically nice. It’s just, it wasn’t not, it wasn’t when you watch it now front to back uninterrupted, it’s just not a good movie. Interesting. I’ll have to go back and give it a rewatch. It’s SpaghettiOs. It’s totally SpaghettiOs. Uh, yeah, but breakfast club all day. Like they fricking love that they put that in their top 10 all the time. Cause I wouldn’t think they’d be able to relate to it. Um, of course they are. They’re both, they’re like junior, like Maggie’s 13. Well, I know high drama. That’s dude, we’ve always showed that you couldn’t make that movie today cause the kids would just be sitting around on their phones for two hours. And I joked with them about that. But, but there’s still, that stuff’s all still read. They all think that Susie is a jogger, the nerd, the prompt. Yeah. And then Susie’s better and she’s got no problems then she’s got problems. Yeah. And then like, you know, then they’re all, you know, Oh you’re the straight a kid. Well, yeah, but I got an F in shop. I’m a, you know, my life’s a failure. Like, Oh wait, you’re, you’re, you’re just like me, but you’re not doing my GPA. Cause I couldn’t pull the all control. They totally related to it. It was like, cool. Yeah. But, uh, what else? Uh, is there anything else going on before we would take a quick break? Ah, I, I don’t know that I believe that ransomware people, although the groups that are out there that are saying that they promise not to hit hospitals and stuff, I don’t, I trust that as much as I, and again, I, I, I’m not saying anything bad about her, but I, I’ve learned that as soon as Whitmer says she’s not doing, going to do something, she’s going to do something. It was, you know, Hey, I’m not going to shut down the bars and restaurants. 12 hours later, bars and restaurants are shut down. I’m not going to issue a stay in place order 12 hours later, here’s a stay in place order. So yeah, but there’s not like one governing body of Hells. C’mon. And you never know what’s just going to be out there in the wild and floating around. So yeah, I don’t know that I buy that. I’m not gonna Rob the bank when you guys all at the beach. Nah, trust me Johnny. Look over there. But Hey, we’re going to take a really quick break. We’re going to be back with a re Sarah, the COO of managed way talking about if there’s any Internet’s left. This is the item that he show. Be right back. Absolutely loving the quarantine playlists here. I’m like fever, Madonna. I’m like, Oh wait, I get it. Welcome back. This is episode three 40 19 that he show we’re in the quarantine decentral studios here at podcast Detroit and beautiful Royal Oak Michigan. Is Bob the sales guy? That is Dave the geek. Randy. I do. The Twitters is doing the Twitters. Find us online IT in the D.com. You wanna know why cause we all right. T and the D and even today you’re still not? No, you are not even close, but Hey, we’re lucky enough to be joined by in another. It’s a, it’s funny how this works out really is topical guests. We have Reese, Sarah on the line. He is the COO of managed way. How are you sir? How’s the world treating you right now? I’m doing well. Thanks. Thanks for having me guys. We’ve been very busy these days. I bet. I bet. This is a w, you know, as I was just trashing on, you know, salespeople using a COBIT as an excuse to try to bang on my door. Um, you know, you guys are kind of one of those essential services like, you know, I guess for those that will hop into that in a minute, but for those that don’t know, uh, what, what ma a managed way does, why don’t you give a quick elevator pitch then we can dive into a dive into that’s that stuff. Sure. So we provide three services. Um, we provide dedicated internet. We own our own fiber network here in Metro Detroit and we’re connected to about another 40 other internet service providers and we sell internet all around the world. As a result of that. Um, we own a couple of data centers here in Troy and uh, we have 70,000 square feet of co-location space. Um, we’re also attended, um, and have a large presence in about another 25 to 30 data centers, um, throughout the Midwest and in some other countries as well. And then we sell cloud services, which is really where we started. And companies come to us for, you know, services as small as $5 a month to you name it. So some of our customers, um, on point for what’s happening now, we, we do a lot of government business, so local States, um, County, we do a bit of federal as well and, and we even do some business with foreign governments. So, you know, between that and, uh, other segments of our business. Like, you know, we support fire departments and police stations and schools and hospitals and doctor’s offices. Um, having our services stay up right now has never been more important. Yeah, I was going to say, let’s dive into that real quick. I was going to talk about how are we running out of internet, cause that’s become a hot topic as well. But you know, the fact that you’re servicing first responders and people don’t really think of, you know, internet or networks or technology when they think of, um, you know, fire departments, police stations, hospitals, uh, even, you know, to the lesser extent schools and, and, you know, how are you, I guess, you know, how are you working with them or what, what, what’s the, you know, are you doing QoS traffic? I mean, what are you doing to make sure that those customers are a priority that, that they’re up in standing in and good to go? Well, um, it’s, it might sound silly, but, um, all of our team is working right now and, um, you know, all eyes and ears were there and just making sure that we have a 100% reliability, um, as we always would at any other time. So we’re not really doing anything, um, more than we normally would. But, uh, we’re just very, you know, we’re trying to pay close attention and, and do our best that every second because we know that, you know, these, these parties can’t go down. But what do we do for those people? Um, mainly we provide internet. So we provide internet to the Michigan statewide education network, which is basically a consortium of all the major, um, intermediate school districts. So right now, for instance, today was the start of, uh, distance learning. If you guys have little kids state, I have four little kids myself, they were all on either Chromebooks or iPads today typing away and, um, uh, we’re one of two major internet service providers for the state. So a lot of that traffic traverses our network. Um, and then, uh, another big thing that we do for, uh, companies and first responders is we host a lot of the websites and systems, um, for how they internally share information or store store information or for their, their public or internal websites. So we just, you know, I had probably about four or five speeches with our, our staff today. We have our Monday meetings. And, um, just emphasized how important it is, you know, to do a good job right now and make sure that our services stay out. No, indeed. And that’s, uh, the one thing I wanted to talk about, you know, when we were talking earlier today and I was just trying to find some stuff to talk about, I’m like, Oh my God, it’s the perfect thing. You’ve got two, three kids at home. They’re, they’re hammering your network. Uh, they’re hammering the network. I’m working from home that the VPN engines are humming. Um, they’re, they’re playing games when they’re not, you know, on their, on their, uh, education thing. You know, like we’re destroying our home networks, you know, all day now, um, our w you know, and then the topics come up many times and I never got that answer. Like, are we even close to running out of the internet? Um, or bandwidth? So I’m an, I am an optimist, right? I was, uh, I a another, I was actually interviewed about this last week I was overseas. Um, if you can believe that, uh, during the crisis, which was a lot of fun to travel home, I would imagine so, by the way. But, uh, basically there’s never a, you know, knock on wood, the silver lining is, there’s never been a better time in our history for a crisis like this to occur and for millions of people to be working from home because there’s never been greater capacity on the internet and there’s never been greater resiliency in terms of the architecture of these networks. So for instance, I mean at any time, there’s typically 300 gigabits per second of use on the managed way network globally. And you know, we can have on any, on any day, we can have anywhere between 80 to 150 gigabits per second traversing our network here in Southeastern Michigan, the Detroit market. And, uh, we haven’t noticed any changes. Um, a lot of our, our partners and competitors, they’re handling everything pretty well. I mean, there’s going to be problems. Um, last week, you know, like Microsoft teams went down, Google had an issue. There’s little things that happened here and there that’s, that’s to be expected. But you know, the, the network of the internet is adapting and things shift around and, and everything’s just operating great from everything that I can see as of today. I am noticing like when I was walking, you know, we’ve been talking about watching ESPN cause they’re just, the programming is glorious right now and it’s been, it’s been a little glitchy and the audio pops out, you know. But as far as like everything else is concerned in my Netflix X-Box, everything else has been humming flawlessly. And then I looked at, just looked at my Aero stats, you know, I’ve got three 34 down in 24 up. I’m like, just imagine about 10 years ago, if I would have told me that I had to have 34 down in my house, I would’ve, you know, what am I going nuts? I have a gigabit per second at my house. I never get it. But you know, like I said before, you know, you couldn’t have afford 10 years ago that would have cost you $10,000 or maybe even $25,000 a month to get to your house. Um, you know, it would have been crazy expensive. Yeah. Two. Oh, see threes, isn’t it? Yeah. Geez. Now that, yeah, those are, those were no cheap packages. Yeah, no, no. See that’s a good time. Uh, it’s a good time to have a disaster like this. Uh, there’s also, um, just a huge amount of other tools, um, to assist in, uh, having a distance workforce. Now are you for Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. With that G suite and Microsoft and, and so many others. There’s, there’s just a lot of, we’re, we’re very fortunate that this happened now and not 10 years ago. Yeah. Last week we had Jason on from C3 and he was talking a lot about teams versus Skype versus all that, you know, zoom versus all the different tools to use. So, yeah, this is, uh, this information has been really timely. Um, are you getting to the point where you’re talking customers and doing like LTE backups and things like that for redundancy on their networks or I guess, uh, especially for the first responders that goes, what, what do they have in place for redundancy these days? Well, we typically, for, for really important stuff, we do backup fiber. Um, we do sell LT as well. My brother owns Metro wireless, so he’s a great partner of ours, our bars and you know, if anybody needs LTE backup, he, he’s really the best shop in the whole country if you ask me. Um, and he’s selling it like hotcakes right now. We use LT for, um, to get a customer online quickly when we’re building out fiber. Um, or for some very remote locations as well. We haven’t sold a lot of that right now. Um, but we, we are, you know, selling quite a bit of redundant fiber connections and we can architect it in a way that it’s path diverse so that there’s no common points on the networks, um, between the primary and redundant connection. So. Cool. I mean, it sounds perfect. So, I mean, I guess with that in mind, I mean, you know, I know Bob specifically asked about first responders, but you know, what about you, your local municipalities. What about, you know, you know, you, I know you mentioned school and I was home today when, uh, both my kids were hooked into a, you know, a video chat sessions with, uh, their basically their entire classroom and their teacher. Uh, and, and it was just amazing to me. So like what, like if you were with them in mind, like with the, like I said, the local governments who aren’t necessarily all the most tech savvy, like what, what would you want them to know and, or need them to know at this point in time? Sure. Um, I guess I’d want them to know that we’re trying everything we can to keep as much workforce on site as possible, um, in a safe and healthy manner and, um, that we really care about what they’re doing and that we’re here to help them when they need it most. So, you know, it sounds a little cliche, cliche, but that’s, that’s really it. It’s, we have a simple, it’s a simple service. At the end of the day we, we just need to make sure that it doesn’t go down. Right. It’s like water to the house. It’s like you don’t think about it until you don’t have it and then you go, right, well where’s the dang water depart? Yeah. Or you know, it starts coming out Brown, right? Yeah. We did read an article today that, that, that some hackers have come out and said, yeah, we’re not going to ransomware hospitals during this time. And they were like, yeah, yeah, whatever. But you guys are actually taking this, taking a step. You were talking to me earlier about how, um, you’re doing a, you’re doing DDoS mitigation for free. Uh, talk to me about that. Yeah. So we, um, there’s a lot of our competitors that offer somebody else’s network, DDoS mitigation service. We have designed our own, our CEO is a systems administrator and programmer and he’s been doing this for 25 years. He spent on your show, Robert Sanders. Oh, okay. He designed a product which is a network DDoSs service, which goes on top of our internet service. You have to have managed wait internet to get this, um, but basically it can mitigate attacks up to a hundred gigabits per second in real time. And, uh, it does reporting. Um, and the other thing is I’m not, this is not just a, um, I’m not just saying, you know, marketing stuff here. We’ve deployed this to serious customers in the state of Michigan and around the world. Uh, the state of Michigan has it. Um, you know, we’re protecting public schools every day of the week. Um, and we’ve deployed it to County governments and cloud service providers, um, businesses of all sizes from a startup all the way to fortune 50. And, uh, the product really works. So I guess just on a personal tip, and I just stepped out for a sec, I’m sorry if there’s already gonna to ask, but from what I understand, your background is you’re in a attorney, you were an attorney and then hopped into this. Like how and why business guy attorneys get a bad rep. you know, I, I’ve always been very entrepreneurial. I started, I own my first business at 12 years old and, uh, my parents were real estate. I went to work for them. And then the real estate collapse, which started a little earlier here in Michigan, although I’m getting a little bit of flashback this week. Yeah, right to that time. Um, I, uh, I decided in about Oh six to go to law school and uh, formed my own firm and I represented a lot of different high tech companies. And I, I met Rob Sanders, the, um, the owner of managed way in 2010 and we’ve been working together ever since. Um, but in my current capacity, I’ve, uh, I’ve been the vice president and COO since about 2000, late 2018. Very cool. How’s the, uh, I guess how’s the change? Small telecom MSP is software companies, you name it. How’s the, uh, how are you adjusting if you haven’t already? Honestly, it wasn’t a very big adjustment, um, other than like my daily routine, what I was doing, I was already doing a lot of, uh, what I do now. I just, I, I get a little bit better over time and, uh, learned the ins and outs a little bit more. I was acting as the general counsel and CFO, um, for about the last, I would say five or six years. Oh, so you’re, you were already intimately there now. I now I live there and breathe and eat it all day long and every day. But I love it. That’s the goodness. Nice. Nice. Well, uh, definitely always heard good things about you and we’re glad we were able to have you on. Uh, definitely timely and I guess thank you for, uh, for keeping the lights on for the other, I guess there’s an offer we’re supposed to ask about. Ooh, that’s right. Yeah. Yeah. We do have an offer right now. So we offer our network DDoS mitigation service, we call it the manage defender. It’s a little easier to say we offer that for free today to government. Um, but for the next 90 days we’re going to be including that if the customer would like it with every new internet service order. So if you have a business and if you’re concerned about network DDoS attacks, we’re going to include that for free. And this is a big concern for a lot of different industries, but, uh, the medical field hospitals, um, financial advisory firms, insurance companies, uh, tech companies who have a lot of different customers who may be more, um, tech oriented, uh, and, and who have a concern about DDoS attacks, this is a perfect service for you. Um, and even if you just like to try it out, um, there’s no problem in that. It takes about 10 minutes to implement and you’re off to the races. So we’re going to include that for free for all new internet service customers for the next 90 days. Oh, we thought we were special or you know, coupon code IT in the Date. Oh wow. That’s all right. It’s for everybody. We felt special for a minute, but you know, just messing with you. Um, raise. Hey, we’re going to cut your listeners guys. I appreciate that, but Hey, we’re going to cut you loose. Definitely appreciate the timely, uh, info and, uh, I guess thank your crew for still, uh, still working, uh, all these crazy hours to keep sure, make sure that all the education stuff and all the first responders are uh, the, the green lights, Dillard on their Cisco routers. So yeah. I appreciate what you guys are doing. Yeah, it’s good stuff. It’s our pleasure guys. Take care. Restate you. Take care. Have a good time. Uh, thanks again. Re Sara COO managed way. Appreciate it and manage way.com. Um, that’s going to wrap things up for three 40 here, the IT in the D show. Uh, definitely, uh, keep washing your hands. Stay safe, keep watching the news. Uh, but not too much of it. Um, yeah, yeah. You know, you need social distancing, you need some social media distance and you need some media distance. Right? Yeah, that’d be great for all of you. I was actually talking to somebody before, it’s, it’s almost like, do you remember like right after nine 11 when like, you just, you could not get off the couch and stop watching TV for like three days. Yeah, it was, I remember when they attack Kuwait to like the first Gulf war. Yeah, it was CNN Wolf Blitzer. Four weeks. Yeah. Um, yeah, it’s about that time. Uh, but Hey, we’re going to wrap things up. Episode three 40 on behalf of Bob, Dave and Randy, do us all a favor. Drink up your drinks, get your phone numbers. You don’t gotta go home. You just gotta get the hell outta hell outta here. See you next week. Drive careful. Wash your hands. Be it. See you guys. 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