Podcast appearances and mentions of gina davis

Gina Davis and Matthew Modine in a pirate movie by Renny Harlin? What could possibly go wrong? Well... everything... Will and Matt review a film that tanked a studio!DISCLAIMER: Language and Spoilers!CUTTHROAT ISLANDdir. Renny Harlinstarring: Gina Davis; Matthew Modine; Frank Langella

Gina Davis is the founder of Advocate Genetics and a co-founder of EM•POWER with Moxi, an education company dedicated to empowering choice in embryo donation. I'm so honored to have her joining me today on The Egg Whisperer Show podcast! Gina is passionate about impacting the growing field of genetic counseling, and has worked tirelessly to train new genetic counselors, and provide a strong foundation for fertility patients. A former fertility patient herself, she understands the challenges patients face as they try to make sense of the rapid advancements in genetics and fertility medicine, and works hard to help doctors and patients make educated decisions about their options. In this discussion, we'll be talking about genetic counseling, how it impacts the fertility world, reasons to seek genetic counseling, and what to consider about genetic testing results. Read the full show notes on Dr. Aimee's site. Visit Gina Davis' site at EM•POWER with Moxi. Would you like to learn more about IVF?Click here to join Dr. Aimee for The IVF Class. The next live class call is on Monday, April 21, 2025 at 4pm PST, where I will explain IVF and there will be time to ask me your questions live on Zoom. Sign up at EggWhispererSchool.com   Follow on Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Subscribe to my YouTube channel for more fertility tips!Join Egg Whisperer School Subscribe to the newsletter to get updates  Dr. Aimee Eyvazzadeh is one of America's most well known fertility doctors. Her success rate at baby-making is what gives future parents hope when all hope is lost. She pioneered the TUSHY Method and BALLS Method to decrease your time to pregnancy. Learn more about the TUSHY Method and find a wealth of fertility resources at www.draimee.org.

In this festive episode of The Rewatch Party, Nick, Anthony, Part-Time Dan, and Elise come together to discuss the rewatchability of the action-packed holiday thriller The Long Kiss Goodnight. This year's annual Christmas movie pick brings some unconventional yuletide cheer, blending Gina Davis's fierce performance and Samuel L. Jackson's snarky wit into a perfect mix of action, intrigue, and holiday spirit. The hosts dive into whether this underrated gem deserves a place among traditional seasonal classics. Nick kicks things off by praising Geena Davis's portrayal of Samantha Caine, a suburban mom with a dark past as a highly trained assassin. He marvels at the film's seamless blend of over-the-top action sequences and heartfelt character moments, crediting director Renny Harlin's ability to keep the holiday spirit alive amidst the chaos. Anthony joins in, applauding the dynamic chemistry between Davis and Samuel L. Jackson, whose comedic timing and charisma elevate the film's enjoyment. Elise, however, provides a fresh perspective, questioning whether the movie's heavy reliance on explosive action and quippy one-liners overshadows its attempts at emotional depth. She appreciates the holiday setting but wonders if The Long Kiss Goodnight fully qualifies as a Christmas movie or simply uses the season as a backdrop. Dan, embracing his “part-time” role with gusto, injects humor into the debate by pointing out the film's most over-the-top moments, keeping the conversation lively and entertaining. The group ultimately concludes that while The Long Kiss Goodnight might not be everyone's go-to holiday watch, its mix of thrilling action, dark humor, and memorable performances make it a strong contender for rewatchability. Whether it's the high-stakes plot or the unconventional holiday vibes, the hosts agree that this film is a fun and explosive addition to any Christmas movie marathon. The episode wraps up with laughter, some spirited debate, and a shared appreciation for the unique charm of this action-packed festive flick.   https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116908/

Gina Davis, Palmer City Finance Director joins Mike Chmielewski to discuss the completed budget for the city.

All local baboon shops have a sign with Seth Brundle's photo on it to not sell him any. The Specrapular Spooktacular continues with the 1986 movie, The Fly! IN VIDEO FORM! Directed by David Cronenberg. Starring Jeff Goldblum, Gina Davis, and Joy Boushel. It is available on Hulu. Every movie we discuss will be available on either: Netflix, Hulu, HBO MAX, Youtube, Tubi, Freevee, Apple TV, or Amazon Prime. You can request movies by emailing us at specrapular@gmail.com Go follow our Youtube channel: ⁠Specrapular⁠ (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0ppqS8Japy4yT4cVfcGEKw) The next movie we are going to discuss is The Exorcist, from 1973. Directed by William Friedkin. Starring Jason Miller, Linda Blair, and Chris Macneil. It is available on Max. Intro music by: Luis. Outro music by: Cairo Braga - Revision of the Future Find more music from Luis at: instagram.com/breatheinstereo Season 7 Episode 3

The best Saw movie in the series. When you're done watching this movie, it becomes Seen. The Specrapular Spooktacular continues with the 2004 movie, Saw! IN VIDEO FORM! Guest starring Megan again! Directed by James Wan. Starring Cary Elwes, Tobin Bell, Leigh Whannell, Michael Emmerson, and Danny Glover. It is available on Max. Every movie we discuss will be available on either: Netflix, Hulu, HBO MAX, Youtube, Tubi, Freevee, Apple TV, or Amazon Prime. You can request movies by emailing us at specrapular@gmail.com Go follow our Youtube channel: Specrapular (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0ppqS8Japy4yT4cVfcGEKw) The next movie we are going to discuss is The Fly, from 1986 (great year). Directed by David Cronenberg. Starring Jeff Goldblum, Gina Davis, and Joy Boushel. It is available on Hulu. Intro music by: Luis. Outro music by: Cairo Braga - Revision of the Future Find more music from Luis at: instagram.com/breatheinstereo Season 7 Episode 2

In this part we talk Russia threatening nukes (again), Lunchables should be renamed Leadables, Society for Magical Negros bombs, the Fallout Series, Billy Dee Williams drinks to much Colt 45, Gina Davis looking for work, JK Rowling vs Cast beef and much more! Email here: tokyoblackhour@gmail.com Check us out Facebook here: https://www.facebook.com/TokyoBlackHour/   Check out the Youtube Channel here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX_C1Txvh93PHEsnA-qOp6g?view_as=subscriber Follow us on Twitter @TokyoBlackPod Get your apparel at https://tkbpandashop.com/  You can also catch us Apple Podcasts, Google Play, and Spotify Check out Every Saturday Morning here https://www.everysaturdaymorning.fun Check out The Basic Caucasian Podcast here https://www.youtube.com/user/dgriffin156 Check out the new hip hop mix here https://youtu.be/ohfFYcsrjU8?si=ZOAiY6ngONNow77t

01:17 Casting Wonders: From Beetlejuice to The Crow01:45 Exploring the Impact of Gina Davis and Other 90s Stars03:23 Wrestling, Media, and the New 'Spooky Girl' Trend04:43 The Evolution of Late Night TV and Its Personalities06:12 A Trip Down Memory Lane: George Lopez and Late Night Dynamics10:35 The Quirks of Small Town America and Nostalgic Destinations11:56 From Wrestling to Hollywood: The Transition of Wrestlers into Actors35:04 The Intricacies of Acting and Wrestling Promos in Today's Landscape41:55 The High Stakes of Big Contracts in Wrestling42:56 Social Media Drama and Wrestler Pay Disputes44:06 Evaluating Wrestler Status and Performance Expectations45:32 The Complex Dynamics of Wrestling Fame46:33 The Impact of Promotional Strategies on Wrestling Events47:29 Navigating the Challenges of Wrestling Promotions49:19 The Intricacies of Wrestling Characters and Their Real-World Implications50:41 Exploring the Business Side of Wrestling52:21 The Cultural Impact and Fan Dynamics in Wrestling53:30 Wrestling Talent and the Transition to Acting54:57 The Evolution of Wrestling Storylines and Talent Management55:57 Reflecting on Wrestling's Creative Directions and Fan Engagement57:22 The Future of Wrestling: Talent Utilization and Storytelling58:08 Wrestling's Generational Shifts in Creative Control59:15 The Ongoing Debate: Wrestling's Creative Legacy and Future01:24:25 The Complex Legacy of Stephanie McMahon01:25:10 Triple H's Return and the Evolution of WWE01:28:11 Ronda Rousey's WWE Departure and Controversy01:33:00 The Debate Over Women's Wrestling Talent01:44:43 The Impact of Personality and Training in Wrestling01:59:35 Reflecting on Ronda Rousey's WWE Journey02:08:19 The Challenges of Transitioning from UFC to WWE02:08:31 Wrapping Up: Tomorrow's Shows and Acknowledgments- Support Wrestling Soup on Patreon:https://www.patreon.com/wrestlingsoupSOCIAL CHANNELS ʕ̡̢̡ʘ̅͟͜͡ʘ̲̅ʔ̢̡̢Twitter: https://twitter.com/WrestlingSoupInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/wrestlingsoup/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WrestlingSoup/Discord Channel: https://discord.gg/wrestlingsoup:shirt: PRO WRESLTING TEES STORE :shirt: ／(=✪ x ✪=)＼Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/wrestling-soup--1425249/support.

Remember this shocking story from the 2016 election? The Trump campaign gutted Ukraine aid in the official RNC platform. Today this is mainstream for the GOP, with McConnell folding on Ukraine aid. This is catastrophic for the US and the world.  The recent transformation of the GOP into the Party of Putin began gradually, with only a few in Congress, like former Congressman Dana Rohrabacher, who the Kremlin considered an asset, according to the FBI. In 2018, current House Speaker Mike Johnson took tens of thousands of dollars in dark money campaign donations linked to a Russian oligarch close to Putin who was part of the larger Kremlin operation exposed in the Mueller Report. The oligarch is Konstantin Nikolaev, who bankrolled Kremlin spy/GOP honeypot Maria Butina, who was arrested as part of the Mueller investigation, after pretending to be in love with NRA/GOP operative Paul Erickson. After Mike Johnson got caught taking donations linked to Nikolaev and other Russians (Oops!), he gave it back. But it was part of a wider operation used by the Russians in countries around the world to entrench their power in, known as “the golden handcuffs.”  Johnson blames other extremists in his party, like concentration camp guard Marjorie Taylor Greene, for "slowing down" Ukraine aid. They're not slowing down aid; they're blocking it, to help their financial backers in the Kremlin win.  Johnson and Trump are part of the Kremlin's long game. They develop their assets, then spread their influence deeper and deeper. This began with a few fringe people, like Rohrabacher. Now it's mainstream. This is state capture. What happens if we lose our country? No place is safe. If you think things are bad now, the entire world will be forced to live under the Kremlin's mafia state: violence and terror win, deciding everything. No more laws and elections. Many Republicans watched in shock as the Kremlin hijacked their party. But it was Republican operations, like Citizens United, that helped Russian dark money entrench the Kremlin's influence in the United States. More Americans must wake up that the loss of Ukraine is also the loss of our democracy. What's happening in Ukraine and the U,S. is an ongoing crime of state capture. The KGB-style operation started decades ago with Trump as a Russian asset. Where will we be if we and our institutions don't stop it?  Call your rep in Congress today to demand aid to Ukraine (202) 224-3121!  This week's bonus episode includes Andrea sharing her own stories of navigating the misogynistic labyrinth of Hollywood, and why, despite some big wins for women and representation (Yay Lily Gladstone and America Ferrera! Boo for no Fantasia nomination for The Color Purple!), why the Barbie Oscar snub matters. Olga Lautman, a Russian mafia expert and the co-host of the Kremlin Files podcast, continues her conversation with Andrea about what America will look like if Trump, and Putin, win the 2024 election.  *** Mark your calendars! Tristan Snell, the prosecutor who led New York State's case against Trump and Trump University and the author of "Taking Down Trump: 12 Rules for Prosecuting Donald Trump by Someone Who Did It Successfully," will join Andrea for a live-taping of Gaslit Nation for our community of listeners on February 12 at noon ET. An event link will be sent to our Patreon community at the Truth-teller level or higher on the day of the event. We look forward to seeing you there! To join us, sign up at Patreon.com/Gaslit! Show Notes: Call your rep in Congress today to demand aid to Ukraine (202) 224-3121!  CORRECTION: There appear to be no East Asian Barbies in the Barbie movie. There is a Southeast Asian Barbie played by Ritu Arya.  Mike Johnson's Campaign Contributions From Company Tied to Russia https://www.newsweek.com/house-speaker-mike-johnson-donations-russia-butina-1838501 2016 RNC Delegate: Trump Directed Change To Party Platform On Ukraine Support https://www.npr.org/2017/12/04/568310790/2016-rnc-delegate-trump-directed-change-to-party-platform-on-ukraine-support He's a Member of Congress. The Kremlin Likes Him So Much It Gave Him a Code Name. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/21/us/politics/dana-rohrabacher-putin-trump-kremlin-under-fire.html Lover or cover? Maria Butina and the romance at the heart of an alleged Russian influence operation https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/lover-cover-romance-heart-alleged-russian-influence-operation/story?id=57437405 For ‘Barbie' Fans Online, a Bitterly Ironic Oscar Snub https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/23/style/barbie-oscar-nominations-reactions.html Ryan Gosling Calls Out Oscars Over Greta Gerwig and Margot Robbie Barbie Snubs: 'There Is No Ken Without Barbie' https://people.com/ryan-gosling-calls-out-oscars-over-greta-gerwig-margot-robbie-barbie-snubs-8548327 Why the ‘Barbie' Oscars snubs are so enraging https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/23/opinions/oscars-snubbed-barbie-greta-gerwig-margot-robbie-stewart/index.html The True Story of Oppenheimer's First Love, Jean Tatlock, And How She Shaped His Views https://www.nbc.com/nbc-insider/the-true-story-of-jean-tatlock-in-oppenheimer The Movie Wives Would Like a Word https://time.com/6336804/the-movie-wives-are-speaking/ Gina Davis documentary: This Changes Everything: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt5795282/

Gina Davis is the founder of Advocate Genetics and a co-founder of EM•POWER donation, an education company dedicated to empowering choice in embryo donation. I'm so honored to have her joining me today on The Egg Whisperer Show podcast! Gina is passionate about impacting the growing field of genetic counseling, and has worked tirelessly to train new genetic counselors, and provide a strong foundation for fertility patients. A former fertility patient herself, she understands the challenges patients face as they try to make sense of the rapid advancements in genetics and fertility medicine, and works hard to help doctors and patients make educated decisions about their options. In this discussion, we'll be talking about genetic counseling, how it impacts the fertility world, reasons to seek genetic counseling, and what to consider about genetic testing results. Read the full show notes on Dr. Aimee's site. Would you like to learn more about IVF?Click here to join Dr. Aimee for The IVF Class. The next live class call is on Monday, February 12, 2024 at 4pm PST, where Dr. Aimee will explain IVF and there will be time to ask me your questions live on Zoom. Sign up at EggWhispererSchool.com   Follow on Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Subscribe to my YouTube channel for more fertility tips! Join Egg Whisperer School Subscribe to the newsletter to get updates  Dr. Aimee Eyvazzadeh is one of America's most well known fertility doctors. Her success rate at baby-making is what gives future parents hope when all hope is lost. She pioneered the TUSHY Method and BALLS Method to decrease your time to pregnancy. Learn more about the TUSHY Method and find a wealth of fertility resources at www.draimee.org.

Learn about embryo donation and fertility in this insightful discussion with co-founders of EM-POWER with Moxie: an organization that offers resources to donors and families. Episode Details:In Part 2 of the Journey to Parenthood Series, we explore the topic of embryo donation and the decisions available to utilize or donate during the fertility journey. Our guests Jen Vesbit, Gina Davis, and Maya Grobel — co-founders of EM•POWER with Moxie — share their personal experiences of fertility and transformative stories of embryo donation.EM•POWER with Moxi is an education, support, and matching organization dedicated to empowering all stakeholders involved in embryo donation. In 2023, Maya, Jen, and Gina launched a first-of-its-kind open matching platform for embryo donation, Moxi Matching, to help donors and recipients meet and match in a safe and supported way. The founders have a combined 30+ years of experience working in reproductive medicine, as well as personal experience as embryo donors and a recipient. Discussed in this episode:What is embryo donation? Different experiences between embryo donors and adopted parentsCommon challenges faced when considering embryo donation Financial considerations for individuals considering embryo donation Stories of EM-POWER founders' experiences with infertility and embryo donationThe importance of psychological and community support through the embryo donation processFamily-first approaches to building a family amidst the fertility journey "For those of us who get to the path of embryo donation, it's generally after a lot of other stuff has happened… We've spent a lot of time, emotional resources, financial resources, and mental gymnastics, and after all that, it becomes, ‘Okay, now I'm going to shift to an egg donor. It feels like I don't have choices. I have to do this to have a family.'" — Maya GrobelRelated to this episode:Journey to Parenthood Part 1: Fertility Facts & Myths | Dr. AimeeRelated: Tips to Support Your Fertility | Dr. Aumatma SimmonsResources for Fertility & TTCFilm One More ShotEM-POWER with Moxie: www.empowerwithmoxi.com Instagram: @empowerwithmoxi LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/empowerwithmoxi Books on Fertility: https://bookshop.org/lists/trying-to-conceive-fertility If you want to support this women's health podcast, leave a review for Fempower Health on iTunes or

Welcome to “Not Couple Goals” where co-hosts Allie Nelson and Tyler McCarthy do a deep dive into a different ridiculous romantic thriller from the vantage point of their long-term relationship. Allie, a TV writer/producer and actress, has an affinity for romantic thrillers, the more salacious the better. Tyler, an entertainment reporter and critic, often finds himself drawn in despite his better judgment. Join them as they explore all the ways it's possible to love too hard… like WAY too hard. In this episode, Allie and Tyler are joined by PopBreak all-star Amanda Rivas and “Not Couple Goals” newcomer Brandon Vice for our Halloween double date of “The Fly” starring Jeff Goldblum and Gina Davis. Listen as they discuss whether the thirst for Goldblum is justified, whether this movie actually fits the romantic thriller genre and Allie clarifies the story about her encounter with the man himself. Is this movie a winner or a Brundlefly-like abomination? Listen and find out. Special thanks to Mallory Johns for the introduction music. To see more of our hosts, check out Tyler's writing at USA Insider, SYFY and NBC Insider. Find Allie's work at Parade and Business Insider! And don't forget to follow us on social media — Allie: Instagram, Twitter, YouTube and TikTok Tyler: Twitter Not Couple Goals: Instagram and Twitter

Adam and Nate watch Thelma & Louise (1991), a groundbreaking road movie about two women escaping the patriarchy, as well as The Simpsons full spoof episode “Marge on the Lam” (S5E6). This movie brings together a breakout screenplay, career performances by Susan Sarandon and Gina Davis, and the high style of Ridley Scott.Also in this episode:• Does Marge also have her arms stuck in her own metaphorical vending machines?• How Thelma & Louise became the Barbie phenomenon of its day• A star-making performance from a very young, very hot Brad Pitt• When a movie parody isn't a parody• The movie's cliff-top climax has been spoiled and parodied to death, but does it fly today?• Plus more bonus content at SpringfieldGoogolplex.comNext time, Adam and Nate load up Full Metal Jacket (1987) and “Bart the General” (S1E5)!Follow us @simpsonsfilmpod on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, and Letterboxd.

Wien gëtt den nächsten US-President? Et gëtt schonn äifreg Walkampf bedriwwen. De Pit Biwer notzt d'Geleeënheet aus, fir emol iwwer déi Acteuren ze kucken, déi an der Vergaangenheet d'Roll vum amerikanesche President gespillt hunn. Nimm wéi Morgan Freeman oder Gina Davis wat am Film Commander and Chief eng Presidentin gespillt huet.

To All the Men I've Tolerated Before is on a summer vacay! In the meantime, we will be posting episodes of our livestream collaboration with Pop Culture Makes Me Jealous. Still Comfy? is an in-depth look at our favorite comfort shows and movies. After a conversation about the themes presented in the selected show, we then discuss how the show holds up against our Tolerator and Jelly Pops morals and viewpoints. Enjoy our review of the 1992 movie A League of Their Own, starring Gina Davis and Tom Hanks. Nat and Jules set out to answer the question, can't their be a little crying in baseball?You can watch Still Comfy? on our Instagram at menivetoleratedpod or our YouTube Channel at https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1PX0HKfxH3Ge2GYTIh8g5ElcUJY42UFf.While we're on summer vacation, please take an opportunity to follow the show on all social media platforms. We would also love for you to join us on Patreon for bonus content and early access to ad-free episodes. Our Patreon can be found at https://www.patreon.com/menivetoleratedpod. All ways to support the show, including our merchandise, can be found at https://linktr.ee/menivetoleratedpod.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5688404/advertisement

In this episode, I welcome three guests, Gina Davis, Jennifer Vesbit and Maya Grobel. These three amazing women joined forces in 2019 to create a company called Empower with Moxi! Their mission was, and is, to transform the landscape of embryo donation. They have different stories and took different career paths, but were all touched by embryo donation, either as a donor or a recipient. All three of these ladies share the perspective that there is not enough support and guidance in embryo donation. They also believe that there is too much emphasis on getting pregnant and not enough on planning for a lifetime as a family touched by embryo donation. These perspectives, and more, will be shared with you in this episode. You will learn about how embryo donation works, the difference between embryo donation and embryo adoption and why having an open relationship with your donor or recipient does not need to be scary. Even if you are not planning to use embryo donation to build your family, this episode will give you insight on openness, disclosure and more. I hope you enjoy it.   If you are interested in any of the topics discussed in this episode... Subscribe to the YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@thecenterforfamilybuilding You can also find me and lots of great resources at https://familybuilding.net/ Join our community, We would love to have you. https://familybuilding.net/newsletter-sign-up/ Follow me here: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecenterforfamilybuilding/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thecenterforfamilybuilding/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/FamilyBuild TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@familybuildingcenter Looking for My Lifebook? https://a.co/d/deSACrM  

Today I have the honor of being joined by my sweet friend, Jenny Roth, to talk about having permission to build a life and business that you love. Back in October, there was a day where I reached out to several people to get myself the help I needed; both personally and professionally. One of those people was Jenny. Jenny is a copywriter and she and I have been working together ever since. She has blessed my life and I know she'll bless yours too. Jenny Roth is a conversion copywriter for business owners and personal brands. She specializes in joyful, strategic copy that generates leads and welcomes your clients with open arms. Her mission is uncovering words that will resonate most with your clients, so you can have higher converting, fun-to-read copy, without spending hours upon hours at your keyboard to make it happen. Jenny started her copywriting business back in 2014, working very part-time when her three daughters were small, to going full-time now that her kids are all in school. When she isn't writing, you can find her hanging out with her husband and three daughters in beautiful, windy South Dakota where they love to camp, swim in the Missouri river, raise chickens, and ride bikes. In this episode, we cover:  What a copywriter is and what they do Evolving and changing along with your business  Tips on how to improve your own copywriting A helpful and encouraging mindset about time management  The power of just starting and then learning and growing from there  Resources & Links: Learn more about my new mastermind offers HERE Dying of Politeness by Gina Davis [affiliate link] Learn more about my speaking Get your YouDoYou32 tracker! (82's little sister!) Get your #YouDoYou82 tracker and join the Facebook community! Gather in Growth podcast produced by: Jill Carr Podcasting Connect with Jenny:  Follow on Instagram @jennyrothcopywriting Subscribe to her podcast, Above the Bar Copy Check out her website Connect with Emily: Follow on Instagram and Facebook Join my email list Check out my website Connect with on LinkedIn Some links referenced above are affiliate links which means I may receive a small commission at no extra cost to you. Thank you for your support! Be sure to hit subscribe so you never miss the latest episode! Reviews help us reach more rockstar rural women, and are always greatly appreciated! Find the complete show notes here: https://www.emilyreuschel.com/034-permission-to-build-a-life-and-business-that-you-love-with-jenny-roth

Gina Davis is the founder of Advocate Genetics and a co-founder of EM•POWER donation, an education company dedicated to empowering choice in embryo donation. I'm so honored to have her joining me today on The Egg Whisperer Show podcast! Gina is passionate about impacting the growing field of genetic counseling, and has worked tirelessly to train new genetic counselors, and provide a strong foundation for fertility patients. A former fertility patient herself, she understands the challenges patients face as they try to make sense of the rapid advancements in genetics and fertility medicine, and works hard to help doctors and patients make educated decisions about their options. In this discussion, we'll be talking about genetic counseling, how it impacts the fertility world, reasons to seek genetic counseling, and what to consider about genetic testing results. Read the full show notes on Dr. Aimee's site. Would you like to learn more about IVF?Click here to join Dr. Aimee for The IVF Class. The next live class call is on Monday, March 6, 2023 at 4pm PST, where I will explain IVF and there will be time to ask me your questions live on Zoom. Sign up at EggWhispererSchool.com   Follow on Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Subscribe to my YouTube channel for more fertility tips! Join Egg Whisperer School Subscribe to the newsletter to get updates  Dr. Aimee Eyvazzadeh is one of America's most well known fertility doctors. Her success rate at baby-making is what gives future parents hope when all hope is lost. She pioneered the TUSHY Method and BALLS Method to decrease your time to pregnancy. Learn more about the TUSHY Method and find a wealth of fertility resources at www.draimee.org.

Max and Doug dive into the new NEON horror flick Infinity Pool. Also by using the Roughtake app feature, "Find something good" we found the Gina Davis movie The Long Kiss Goodnight... it's a ride. So are Max and Doug. Come listen.

On this episode, we get to meet Lindsey T. H. Jackson who grew up in Pittsburg Pennsylvania, as she describes, a little black girl who thought she was different. Later she realized she was by no means alone as she discovered that there were many black women who grew up like her. She talks about how she went so far as to decide to compete with boys and play baseball, not the traditional softball that girls were encouraged to play. Needless, she succeeded as she will tell us.   As Lindsey tells us, later in life she realized that she did not have to live her life by proving something to others on the job or in anything she had to do. Instead, she realized all she needed to do was to be herself. Lindsey and I discuss prejudices and perceptions whether they be about race issues or even issues surrounding blindness and how people view someone who happens not to be able to see. Our discussions are fascinating and, I think, what we discuss will be helpful and informative to you.     About the Guest: Lindsey T. H. Jackson is a creative force in motion. Each year, organizations call on her to welcome tens of thousands of leaders into the shared journey of Unlearning our cultural biases. Lindsey's natural storytelling and her cheeky humor invite people into their authentic selves, allowing people to enter those charged conversations with genuine curiosity. Lindsey brings more than 20 years of experience clearing the path to wellness & liberation alongside leaders, teams, and organizations with her ongoing research on the root causes of our current culture of pressure and burnout. Now, she serves in the role of Founder & CEO creating the future of work with the team at LTHJ Global — expanding access to leading-edge Diversity, Equity & Inclusion methods for healing and innovation at work and beyond.   Lindsey's audiences have been known to follow her wherever she's speaking, magnetized by her down-to-earth approach to helping leaders reach their highest human potential across their various life roles. Her natural storytelling, artistry and research-backed practices have allowed for some of the most cutting-edge methodologies to liberate ourselves, our workplaces, and our world from structures of oppression — and lead future-ready teams along the way. That's why she's regularly sought after by platforms like King5 News, The Superwoman Summit and Washington's LGBTQIA+ Chamber of Commerce (the GSBA) as well as hundreds of other businesses, nonprofits, podcasts and outlets each year.   These days she's hard (but not _too _hard!) at work with the LTHJ Global team, pioneering the brand new tech-enabled platform, Sojourn. Sojourn brings small to midsize organization leaders a DEI Journey with the plans, tools and guidance to sustainably grow a more Diverse, Equitable and Inclusive culture. They're building the platform as an anti-racist, anti-oppression organization, which impacts every choice they make as they build the future of work they wish to live in.   Ways to connect with Lindsey:   Main website - www.lthjglobal.com New platform, Sojourn website - www.sojourndei.com LinkedIn - LTHJ Global page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/lthj-global/ LinkedIn - Lindsey's profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lindsey-t-h-jackson/ Instagram - LTHJ Global: https://www.instagram.com/lthj_global/ Instagram - Lindsey: https://www.instagram.com/lindseythjackson/         About the Host: Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog.   Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards.   https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/   accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/ https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/       Thanks for listening! Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it using the social media buttons on this page. Do you have some feedback or questions about this episode? Leave a comment in the section below!   Subscribe to the podcast If you would like to get automatic updates of new podcast episodes, you can subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts or Stitcher. You can also subscribe in your favorite podcast app.   Leave us an Apple Podcasts review Ratings and reviews from our listeners are extremely valuable to us and greatly appreciated. They help our podcast rank higher on Apple Podcasts, which exposes our show to more awesome listeners like you. If you have a minute, please leave an honest review on Apple Podcasts.     Transcription Notes Michael Hingson  00:00 Access Cast and accessiBe Initiative presents Unstoppable Mindset. The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i  capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.   Michael Hingson  01:21 Hi, and yes, once again, you are listening to unstoppable mindset where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet, this is what we say. I am glad that you're here with us. Once again, thanks for being with us. And we have Lindsey T. H. Jackson as our guest today. She is a creative force according to her biography, which is cool. I would say she's unstoppable. And we'll talk about that, of course, Lindsey has been very involved in diversity, equity inclusion, she works with leaders and speaks all over creation as it were bringing more people into the whole discussion of dei as well as bringing leaders into the discussion of how we unlearn a lot of our biases. And I'm really interested in and excited to learn something about that. So we'll get to it. But Lindsey, welcome to unstoppable mindset and glad you're here with us.   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  02:17 Thank you, Michael. It is my pleasure. What a wonderful way to begin easing into the weekend spending some time with you. So   Michael Hingson  02:26 Oh, listen to her. Well, let's start. Like I usually like to do tell me a little bit about kind of your early life kind of where, where you came from, and all that and a little bit about how you got where you are.   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  02:41 Wow. Well, I am from the hidden gem of the United States, which is, of course, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. And I think it's funny when I meet people who have never been to Pittsburgh, and they hear Pittsburgh, they kind of scoff at it. Like, oh, you know, that kind of steel, new town will the Steelers and the pirates and blah, blah, blah. But it was actually a really wonderful place to   Michael Hingson  03:10 Yes, yes. I remember the first time I went to through Pittsburgh airport, which was pretty new at the time, it was a pretty big place and an interesting and a lot bigger of an airport. And I didn't think it would be a little airport, but it was a lot bigger and more bustling than I thought. And I think over time, it's kind of quieted down. But I've enjoyed time in Pittsburgh.   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  03:33 Absolutely. And it's so interesting. You say that about the airport, because they're about to build a brand new one tear down. What was that new one and build a brand new one. And I'm like, why are you why are you really changing these things? They're renaming the stadium again. She's, yeah, I don't know. I loved growing up in Pittsburgh, and I just find myself not wanting anything to change about it.   Michael Hingson  03:58 What do you do so, so you're from Pittsburgh will tell us more about all that. And early life and such?   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  04:04 Yeah. Early life, I was an only child. So that meant naturally that every holiday season I asked for a brother and sister and a puppy on my Santa's list and never got either of them. So it wasn't a miserable childhood, but I certainly never got what I wanted at Christmas time.   Michael Hingson  04:24 Not a puppy either.   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  04:26 Not a puppy, not a brother, not a sister, not a Plano. I was like, why can't we adopt? Come on, people helped me out but as an only child, I was just always out. I was out and about I was down the street. I was creating clubs. I was joining everything that I could join and really living. You know what, at that time, I know we can't say this now but at that time, it was kind of Bill Cosby upbringing, but you know Like Bill Cosby, we grow up and we learn new things that we didn't know. And our kind of youthful naivety. But   Michael Hingson  05:08 well, we can't change our history, Bill Cosby, back in those days was what he was and television show and his comedy routines and so on. And yeah, we have what he became, but we can't deny what was and he did bring a lot of entertainment and humor to people.   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  05:25 Yes. And that image, Michael Wright of that black family that was together, that was upper middle class that was figuring life out. That was very much my childhood experience with my parents, Deborah and Jeff had been married something like 44 years now. We were figuring it out together.   Michael Hingson  05:49 Wow. So, so you, you went to school in Pittsburgh,   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  05:55 I started, you know, I was very much a little private school kid. And often the one of very few little black people in predominantly white bodied spaces, which I think colored a lot of my experience as a child. Now, when I read things, I am finally hearing from other little black girls who grew up to be strong black women about that common experience of nobody had hair like us. Nobody had that experience of k this person. That's my cousin. Oh, is it your real cousin? What is that question? Of course, it's my cousin, even though I'm not actually sure how we're related, you know, these very common black experiences, I thought I was different. But now, I'm realizing that that was actually a very common experience for a lot of black girls in predominantly white spaces, that feeling of being outside somehow looking in.   Michael Hingson  07:00 Do you think I think it was true for boys as well?   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  07:04 I think it was, but in my experience, something about masculinity allowed them to fit in a little bit more. I think we still, at that time, and even now, we still struggle with outspoken, Intel intelligent little black girls, you know, a trope or a paradigm, at least when I was growing up to fit that. And so I spent a lot of time in detention being told, you know, stop asking questions, stop questioning what the teacher was saying, even though, you know, at that time, I was already a bit of a scientist. I was like, I don't believe what you're telling me show me some research to backup that opinion. And they would go go to detention. I was like, wow, that's not a good argument. Yes.   Michael Hingson  08:01 I think it's, it's somewhat true for white girls, too. But I understand not the same. And it's not it's not as much and it's, it's an evolutionary process. But I think for any of us who were different, I never got sent to detention for asking questions. I think I was tolerated. But as a blind child, it was still very much, in some ways, a challenge. I grew up in a pretty rural area in Palmdale, California. So didn't face a lot of I think some of the things that other people did. But I was always still a curiosity. Nevertheless.   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  08:39 Yeah. How did that shape who you've become now, as an adult,   Michael Hingson  08:45 I think for me, because mostly, people didn't know what to do with me, because I was the only blanket for quite a while in the Antelope Valley. We moved from Chicago when I was five. So we were mostly out in California, and I was the only blind kid. And the only blind kid going to school later, while other other kids the only one really interested in science and those kinds of things, and very academically oriented. So again, teachers didn't know a lot of what to do with me. So somehow, I sort of fit it in, like teachers to give me tests, we would stay an extra period after class and they would come in and read me tests or asked me questions, and I would answer them and so I got to know some of the teachers pretty well. And I think that the result of that was that I was accepted because they discovered that I wasn't really, maybe what their original misconceptions were about a blanket and high school students didn't do a lot of bullying but again, I think I was was tolerated. Of course, I had an extra asset in that when I went into high school I got my first guide dog so the only kid in School who got to bring his dog to school. But even that caused a problem when the superintendent decided that since the school district had a rule that said, no live animals a lot on the school bus that I wouldn't be allowed to take my dog on the school bus and go to school with the dog. So they had to hire somebody to take me to school because I was using a guide dog. And that didn't last very long, because we took it to the school board. The board sided with the superintendent, even though the high school rule violated state law. So we actually had to get the governor involved. And I think that also taught me that you could fight city hall and win. And it sent a message to people that I was going to be a part of the system. And that should be allowed. So I again, I think it was a little bit unusual compared to other people's stories who I've heard.   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  10:48 Yeah, yeah. I mean, Michael, as you're sharing that reminds me, I think, one of the formative experiences, it's not the same, but that similarly shaped me was that I grew up wanting to play baseball. And at that time, it was very clear that girls are meant to play softball. And boys are meant to play baseball. But I have seen a little movie called A League of Their Own league of their own. Yes. Which, you know, just last week at the Emmys, they were honoring Gina Davis for the work that she's done in film, around. Representation around measuring the relationship between what little girls see on the film and how it impacts their relationship to self. But that movie, I was determined, I am going to play baseball, good for you, this character. But you know, here came this little black girl down, you know the street in Edgewood and shows up to an all boys League and says, I will be playing best baseball. And they had no idea what to do. And they armed an odd and you know, unbeknownst to me in the background, my mother, you know, who is a force to be reckoned with was also having conversations with the city to make sure that, you know, nobody was going to say no to me. But for my little eight, nine year old self, I really thought that I was leading this conversation in this charge. And I eventually got assigned to a team, the enjoyed pirates, they were called. And I was just thinking about my coach, Coach, Tony DeFranco, who, all those years that I played for him never once did he, you know, he just kind of accepted, she's here. And now that she's here, we're going to be the best team possible. And, and we were I have a trophy or two actually above my desk right here, commemorating those years. But that those early moments really shaped who I am now in the trajectory to becoming the CEO of this company, I think   Michael Hingson  13:09 and what a great story and and an absolutely relevant story. And yeah, your parents were your mother was especially involved in the background and so on. But still, that support system always helps. Absolutely,   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  13:23 absolutely. And that's in our work. One of the things that we're always for lack of a better word fighting for it's to make sure that everybody has some sort of Angry Black mom in their corner, who's saying, you know, we're here to advocate in the workplace to make sure that employees feel supported based on all of their intersectional identities, blind, black, queer, you know, living with dyslexia and feeling like they cannot share that within the workplace. All of those things. I think that's often what draws you and I together, right? Our own experiences have shaped the work that we now do.   Michael Hingson  14:12 What position did you play in on the team?   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  14:16 Well, I mostly played shortstop, for anybody who's a baseball fan out, I'm just gonna say it is the hardest position to get so just whatever. And then pitcher Oh, well, there you go. Yeah,   Michael Hingson  14:30 yeah. How'd you how'd you do as a pitcher?   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  14:33 Well, I was cracking up I was telling my kids this just the other day, I remember this one day. And it was it was a good movie moment. It was bottom of the night. And they had kind of one player in on third base scoring position. We were up and I was, you know, just kind of losing Steam losing gas. And here comes Tony DeFranco. Coach moseying out to the pitcher's mound. And, you know, we all took our hats off and tucked our gloves under our armpits. Mason was the catcher. And he goes, Lindsay, every once in a while in our lives, we have a choice. We either have to choose that we don't have it. And we need to sit down and come back another day. Or we choose that we have it, and then we have to back it up. And he said, Well, what is that moment right now for you? And I said, Well, Coach, I think I have it. And I'm going to back it up. You said fine, any mosey it on back off the field. And I threw a strike and the game was over. So you know, those, those sorts of things? You know, I think the there was a little bit of every time I was out on the field, I will say there was a an underlying core idea that I had to prove something. And I think I played like I had to prove something. And now as an adult, I'm trying to unlearn that habit, that I don't have to go into every space trying to prove something, I can just be myself.   Michael Hingson  16:15 But probably when you were growing up, it was good to have that to keep your edge nice and sharp.   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  16:23 Yeah, yeah, it has been I you know that when I left Pittsburgh, it was still with that edge. I started college when I was 15 years old. By the time I was 21, I had three degrees under my belt. I moved overseas. Actually, the year I was turning 21, I had already graduated with my graduate degree in another degree under my belt, and I felt like I just had to keep being on the move, always be on that cutting edge. And that has led me to do some amazing things. And it's also landed me in the hospital rooms needing to rest in, you know, be pumped with fluids, it's, I can see sometimes how it impacts my children. So I'm trying to trying to not feel as though my otherness needs to be the defining factor in my life anymore.   Michael Hingson  17:26 Well, and hopefully what you will discover is that your otherness is as much there but you can bring it out in different ways. You don't have to constantly be running. And I think we, we all tend to do that a lot. We tend to run we got to do things all the time. Even when we take vacations, we got to get extremely active and do this and that and the other stuff. And then we got to come back and we have to have a vacation from our vacation. And we don't we don't stop and recognize that. In reality, we don't need to do that all the time.   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  18:03 Yes. How have you in your life? Do you still think? How do you define yourself now? I mean, you're maybe one or two years older than I am Michael. So I get to learn from you. How do you   Michael Hingson  18:20 Oh, could be could be maybe one or two years or so hard to say? Well, you know, I, I like to do stuff. And I like to be active. But I don't need to be active and be the absolute number one person all the time, because I think opportunities will will come. So I love to speak, I love to travel and speak and continue to do that when the opportunities arise. And I've been doing it especially ever since September 11. But I, I don't need to be the president of one thing or another, although I own my own company. And it's just my wife and I so I get to be the president. And we we did it that way because it's called the Michael hingson group. So it kind of makes sense that I get to be the president. But if she wants to run it, she can run it, but she doesn't. So I'm stuck with it. But we I believe that, for me and my place in life, I'm going to do whatever seems right to do on any given day. But I like to take time at the end of the day to stop and go, What did I do today? How'd that go? Could I learn from that? And I will always ask those questions and I will always take that introspective role and start each day with what's coming up. What have I learned that I could bring an add value and in a sense that started significantly before September 11. But especially it started when And I opened an office for a company in the world trade center, and decided that, as the leader of that office, I needed to do whatever was necessary to function as a leader. And defining that meant to meant that I needed to do things like if we were gonna go to lunch, know how to go wherever we're gonna go to lunch, because I can't let someone just leave me around, well, how's that going to look, if we're going to negotiate contracts, or know how to travel from place to place, know what to do in case of an emergency, be on top of whatever was going on with the company, understand the products, and take the initiatives to make sure that I could do whatever, any good leader based on all the things that I've seen people do and what any good leader would do. And I will still continue to do that. That doesn't mean that I'm going to work 24 hours a day. But over time, I've learned what the process needs to be to make that happen. And so the result is that I've developed a mindset that says this is what you need to do. Or in the case of the World Trade Center, I developed eventually a mindset mindset that said, You know what to do, if there's an emergency, you know what to do in order to be involved in a situation, which doesn't mean I have to be in charge of doing everything to take responsibility for whatever happens. But I need to know enough to know when I can use my gifts and other people should use their gifts. And I should encourage that.   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  21:45 Yeah. Can I ask a question about something you said? Out of my own curiosity, you named that you had a thought that there would be difficulty in negotiating contracts, if somebody were to support you on the walk to lunch? Or to say, you know, coffee shop, etc? Do? How do you think that that should be that within that relationship, that that creates a difference of power within the relationship? If we need to honor the other person's humanity in any given moment?   Michael Hingson  22:36 It depends on whether you're honoring the person's humanity, or whether you're making an assumption that isn't true. So, for example, there are certainly places that I don't know how to get to around New York City. But or even here in Victorville where I live today, but do I need someone? Do I need to hold someone's arm or Be Led there? Or can we walk side by side and carry on a conversation? Do Do I need to be the one to absolutely know where to go or not? The answer is, in my basic home environment that is in the case of what we're talking about the World Trade Center. Yes, I should know how to go to Finance Shapiro's down in the lobby of the shopping mall between the towers back in 2002 1001. Because that's where I resided. And if I allowed, if I chose not to know any of that, and needed to be led, that's the issue. Not that I didn't know or wouldn't deal with someone's humanity, but rather, if I didn't know, and didn't take the time and the responsibility to know and so needed to be led. I'm reinforcing a stereotype about blindness and blind people. And so part of it is also getting people to the point in their own mindsets where they recognize that in reality, I'm as competent and as capable as they are. So it's not denying someone's humanity to say, I know how to get there, I can do it. But rather to say, what would you expect anyone else to be able to do and why should it be different for me? If the opportunity and the ability and what I need to make it happen are available to me? Yes. And so that's, that's really the difference. I could just as easily be going out to lunch or dinner with people and did oftentimes in other places where I didn't necessarily know exact actually where to go. But even there, the issue is, how do you do it? Do you assume the blind guy can't walk next to you without holding on to you or not? It's all about stereotypes and the problem that we face, when we talk about diversity, equity and inclusion, is disabilities are left out of that discussion most of the time, and they're left out, because no matter what group you are from, most people have the same perception about disabilities that other people do. And so we tend to not be included in the discussions. We don't, we don't deal with recognizing the disability doesn't mean the lack of ability, that that word needs to change, just like we've changed the meaning of diversity, because diversity doesn't include disabilities today. By and large, it's it's not inclusion should. But even then people try to say, Well, I'm inclusive, because we deal with racial issues and racial bias, and we deal with gender, but then you don't deal with disability. So you're not inclusive, but just diversity is has has gone a different way, which is extremely unfortunate. So it's not about appreciating someone's humanity. It's about do we continue to promote and enforce the stereotypes? Or do we really try to change people's perceptions? And part of my job, as the leader of an office happening to be blind? Was it, it was important to be able to change people's perceptions? Because if I weren't viewed as a competent, capable individual, how could I expect to be involved in and or negotiate sales contracts and other things like any other manager would do?   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  26:58 Yeah, this is so interesting. You're naming something that I've been really personally vacillating back and forth on in terms of, as I started to name earlier, realizing in a lot of spaces that I felt the need to represent all black women, wherever I was, in school, in other parts of the world that I traveled extensively, and to always kind of be a monolith, representing the majority. And I think a lot of people who come from historically excluded cultures or communities can relate with that. But now is a near my 40th birthday, which I'm super excited. Because I hear more and more people say, once you get closer to 40, you start to care less when people think, and I'm so excited for that. But as I get closer, I find myself really trying to separate what parts of me, am I still living my life trying to prove that black women should be could be are on par with their contemporaries? And what parts of that are a burden that I don't have to bear anymore? And in the reality is, I don't have an answer. So I'm listening to you. Also trying to mind through my own thoughts. And an example is, for example. You know, I have had a partner relationship come into my life over the past couple of years. And, you know, their love for me, has been teaching me that I also deserve nurture and care. I don't always have to be strong. I don't always have to, you know, I don't always have to have my emotions down. And I think for so many years in professional spaces, as a black woman, I just didn't give myself that grace, that that part of myself. And now, you know, we've met some of my team members, the great Laura Kay or the great J. Alba and the rest of our team. You know, they've been trying to coach me like, it's okay, if you cry, too. Yeah. It's okay. If you're having a bad day, you know, like, you don't always have to have it together.   Michael Hingson  29:34 Well, and, unfortunately, and this gets back to something that we talked to just a second about at the very beginning about unlearning attitudes, because I think anyone who works toward being successful, ends up believing that they have to be strong all the time, and they have to be on top Have everything rather than finding that there is so much value in creating a team. And everyone on the team has to rely on each other. And that the strength is in the team, not any particular individual. And yeah, the leader of a team has to and should have certain gifts, and maybe they're the the outfront strong or viewed as being strong person. But that still shouldn't work without the rest of the team being part of the process. Yes, yes. And so, you know, in talking about what what you're talking about, and and what we're discussing here. So what do you think about the issue of with whatever you're doing? Are you representing all black women or women in general, I wouldn't even extend it beyond black women. But I realized why you're, you're talking about it in terms of black women. But either way, what do you think about the fact that in reality, what you do is, or you don't represent black women?   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  31:09 Yeah, I think it's an ongoing, unfair unfurling, for lack of a better word, I was really relating in my own way to what you said in terms of wanting to make sure that the stereotypes about black women that I was never feeding that, that I similarly, going to dinner, an example might be the expectation that black people or black women don't have money couldn't, you know, cover the cost of the bill, or we're not as smart. And so therefore, always feeling as though I had to give an opinion, but not only give an opinion, or to be the best opinion or that they're lazy, whatever. And so, I think, on some hands, that's still very much true that we know that if you are a representative, I was still historically excluded, group or community that you are still expected as a duo Lu talks about in her book mediocre, you are still expected to give 115 120% to other people, 75% just to be considered on par. But I don't think that that has to always be our responsibility anymore.   Michael Hingson  32:33 Right? And so I'm going in a slightly different direction. I agree with you. Do you have to be 115%? All the time? No. But does that mean that you're still not necessarily by virtue of being visible? And by virtue of what you do? Does that mean you're not representing in some way or another all black women?   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  32:56 I think that's a great question, I think, and my personal why if I use Simon cynics language around finding our why, and other business leaders who have used similar language, I do, as part of my why want to be an inspiration, first and foremost, to my children, I have a 10 year old and eight year old. And I want them to see in me, hopefully something that they can see in themselves. And I know that for a lot of young people who I speak with that they go, Oh, you're a black woman, CEO. I could be that too. And, and I definitely know that creating that representation is a part of what gets me out of bed on some of the tough days. And I think in our culture, we sometimes struggle to allow the full, vast experience of being a human, for anybody that we give the mantle of leadership to, I hope that I have given as much permission to succeed as I am to fail. I hope I'm given as much permission to have angry off days as I am expected to always put on a smile and show up looking good.   Michael Hingson  34:27 And sometimes you need to say and transmit the message. It's okay. And it's fine for me to have days where I'm not absolutely the only 180% person in charge. And that doesn't make me less of a human being any more than it does you and how dare you judge me? Because in reality, we're all from the same mold. We are We're all made in the same image. And we all have good days, bad days, successful days, days where maybe it's not viewed as being as successful as it could be. But when you have the off days, the real question, and so it's always fun to turn it around. The real question is, what did I learn? That will help me not do that again. And that's where it comes really back full circle, which is why I always talk about introspection, because it's important to discuss this idea of what did I learn from this? I subscribe to the the whole discussion that failure, although I don't say I will, failure is what it is. But that failure is only a learning point on the way to success. Yes. And there's nothing wrong with having learning moments we all learn. And we always all better be learning, or we really aren't doing ourselves or other people's good services.   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  36:09 Absolutely. I love that you. You know, I think in both of our work, we do so much training and teaching around the world. And I think one of the things I'm always surprised, most by is some people's lack of curiosity, the assumption that are the take of there's nothing more for me to learn about diversity, or equity, or inclusion, or these these topics. I just it you know, this is my work. I'm a nerd. So I could, you know, there's no end to the things I want to learn. But I love meeting people. And I love hearing what is it like moving through the world, in your body, in your mind and your heart space? And so that, that, that take of I don't have anything else to learn here about diversity? I never understand that. Because it just seems like an opportunity to live books and movies out loud.   Michael Hingson  37:19 Yeah. Well, and the other thing about diversity, and this whole area of discussion is how can we feel that we've learned all there is when society is constantly evolving, anyway?   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  37:34 Yes, yes. Yes.   Michael Hingson  37:38 And so we, we may, on any given day, at any given second? No, mostly everything that we need to know. But in two seconds, something is going to change that's going to change that whole dynamic. So there's no way we're going to learn all there is to know, the question is, are we learning it? And are we putting it into practice?   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  37:57 Absolutely. I read an article, I think it was in the New York Times a couple of weeks ago, and it was saying that old, quote, unquote, can now be defined as the scale of curiosity that one has. And so those who had a fixed mindset, I know everything there is to know there's nothing more I could learn. Scientists were able to see how that fixed mindset was actually impacting their body, their brain, and how it was aging. And those who remained curious. Woke up each day with like you said, Michael, I have the intention to learn something new each day, that their bodies and their brains stayed Young. As a result, as well, Isn't that so cool? That we can now put some science around that?   Michael Hingson  38:50 It is I didn't see that article, I'm gonna have to go back and find it. But it's it's absolutely true. And we should constantly be curious. Because if we if we aren't, then we're not living. And I think that's one of the reasons we're all here is to be curious and discover. Life is an adventure and we should treat it like an adventure. I get yelled at lots when I reach out and touch something and people say, Oh, you're not supposed to touch that. Well, that's the way I get to explore things a lot. And the reality is even in museums where people say, too much oil on something may may help to damage it. But the reality is that it's the way I N other people who don't look at things, discover a lot. And there shouldn't be anything wrong with allowing us to explore and I can appreciate. It may very well be where you got to have a wipe and get the oil off your hands first. No problem with that, but don't deny me the opportunity to learn and discuss in fact, it's one of the clues that led me to understanding the mindset that I developed on September 11, one of the things that that I constantly did after I learned most of what I thought I could learn about emergencies and everything else was I would as I went into the World Trade Center, most every day, I would ask myself, anything else to learn today? I go off and look, and sometimes I found stuff, and sometimes I didn't. But asking the question is really the important part?   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  40:28 Absolutely. I even do that in my own way, which is, I will intentionally some days just take another driving route, just so I can see something new the tree I haven't noticed before, restaurant I haven't seen before, just to break out of the monotony and feel as though I've entered into another vortex for a minute.   Michael Hingson  40:52 Well, I always well, walking around the world trade center wanted to make sure my guide dog didn't get into the habit of going one way because the dog's job isn't to know where to go and how to get there. That's my job, the dog's job is to make sure we walk safely. So I had to, as much as I could figure out new ways to get to the same place inside of a complex of buildings, which got to be a real challenge after a while. And sometimes I just took convoluted routes just to end up going the same route. But by going to different floors and doing other things, but, but traveling around to keep the dog from getting into the habit of memorizing something. And of course, all of that was extremely important on September 11, because I didn't want the dog to decide where she thought I should go, especially if that way might happen to be blocked, which is another way of also saying I needed to know that information, so I could deal with it. And that also helped other people because going down the stairs. And, and being in the complex that day, giving the DoD directions I had lots of people following us because they said, Well, you're confident you know what you're doing. And I heard about it later. But they they said, if this guy can go, we're gonna follow him, you know, and that was important to do. But what I eventually decided was to talk about all of that, because if it would help people learn how to move on from September 11. And if it would help people learn how to deal with developing better relationships, and trust and teamwork, and if it would teach people about blindness and guide dogs, then I was going to talk about it and continue to do that. And that was in part why ask the question before because I do think, whether we choose to or not any of us who get visible, even if we're only visible to a few people we are representing whatever it is that people view about us. And so I want people to get the best possible view of what blindness is like, because they're going to hopefully remember me and think about the next blind person they meet, at least in part in the same way. And it's all too unfortunate that all too many blind people, for example, are not taught a lot of the skills and the way that they should be taught to develop a level of independence and self confidence. And that's unfortunate, but it is still something we deal with. And it is still something that we all try to work to overcome. But I know that whenever I'm viewed up, I'm going to be compared to other people who happen to be blind. And I'm also hopefully going to be able to teach people maybe a little bit of a different view, which is okay, if I can do that and be successful. That's great. I'm not trying to prove anything to anyone, but rather I'm just gonna live my life. But if I can accomplish something like that along the way, then so much the better.   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  44:00 Yeah. It's so interesting. As you're sharing, I'm thinking back and I don't think I've thought about this for years. So thank you, Michael. I was in my I was 19. Or maybe I hadn't turned 19 Yet in my senior year of college, and I was a orientation leader. So you know that first week of college? Yep. Everybody's coming. I'm in senior year we're welcoming all the freshmen there was lots of screaming and shaking of pom poms, I remember. And this was in Boston. And when 911 That year, those events occurred, you know, very quickly, Boston started to be shut down as well. And I remember I was in dance class at the time and one of our other instructors came in and, you know, kind of told us what was happening and For all of the leaders of orientation, we're quickly kind of cold to be present for these freshmen who were away from home for the very first time, most of them coming from other parts of the US and kind of just be there for them. And they were from all over the world all over the country. And everybody was having so many feelings. And we obviously had no idea what was going on any of us. And that experience was one of many experiences that led to the forming of LT HJ global and what is soon to be our dei tech platform sojourn it was that, that desire to create safe spaces for people across all of their difference to come together, to feel seen, to feel heard, to feel held and supported. And, you know, I haven't thought about how that then shaped my graduate degree in, gosh, almost 20 plus years now. What,   Michael Hingson  46:12 Where were you going to school?   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  46:13 Then? My undergraduate was at Emerson, which is right, in, you know, along the perimeter of the Boston Commons. And then I started my graduate work. While simultaneously I was doing a muscular therapy degree at another school, I started my graduate work at Lesley University. Cambridge, Massachusetts,   Michael Hingson  46:38 right. So, you mentioned dance. Were you studying that in college?   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  46:44 Yeah. In my undergrad, I was still very determined to be a dance and theater start. You know, I had seen Janet Jackson. And that was clearly what I wanted to be in my life. A backup singer and dancer to Janet Jackson.   Michael Hingson  47:02 Don't have any wardrobe malfunctions,   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  47:04 no word of mouth. If I had been there, Janet, I would have had, I would have been like, and it's sorted. Just like move. Lindsay right there. Yeah. Some of the listeners or people tuning in today are not old enough to know. So we just made Michael. Go look it up.   Michael Hingson  47:28 That time? The Super Bowl,   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  47:31 though? The Super Bowl? Yeah. We've come many years from there. But yeah. Go ahead. Sorry. Go ahead. No, I still think, you know, a lot of times people will ask me, How does a dance and theater major become a CEO of a company? And I go, Well, I know how to pivot very well. And you need to pivot. When you are a founder and CEO. I know, you know that Michael, you can bob and weave? Exactly. As   Michael Hingson  48:01 well, how did being in dance and so on, move you toward the kind of things that you do today?   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  48:10 No, I think. I think and you know, I'm very happy to have some of your listeners or, you know, viewers, however you are tuning in today, push back on this, but I still think that the arts is a space for little kids that are considered other to come together and feel that they have a sense of community. There's, you know, maybe still 2030 years ago, you know, we didn't have the language that we have around it now. But it was a space where little LGBTQIA plus bus kids felt safe. It was a space where black and brown kids from across many different cultural identities felt safe. It was a space to be creative with kids who were moving through the world, in wheelchairs, and other you know, just ways to experience difference as being something to be normal and celebrated, as opposed to something that everybody was trying to overcome, or trying to assimilate and fit in. And I think there was something about dance and theater where it was like, we don't fit in. And that's why we fit into this group or space.   Michael Hingson  49:42 Well, and the reality is there were other kids who had none of the characteristics that you're describing who were from what people view as normal, who are also part of that society and the reality is everyone learned to I get along, and a lot of ways, a lot more than in other kinds of environments because everyone shared the arts.   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  50:08 Yeah, yeah. It's interesting. When we're teaching, sometimes I think people think it's so different. But I often sometimes I'm listening to people who grew up in military households or grew up, you know, in the military, and there's a lot of similarities there to have, there's a very strong culture, you have to learn the rules, and one of the rules is, get over it, we're all different. And that difference is something that's going to make us better. And, you know, in every culture, there's still opportunities to continue looking at how we continue to grow and embrace different types of diversity. But there's something about a group that is coming together, saying that diversity is what makes them better, as opposed to diversity being some type of problem that we need to get rid of.   Michael Hingson  51:11 Yeah, it really is important to appreciate other people. And there's no better way to do it than when you're all working towards some common goal or are working in some sort of environment that that brings you all together. Like in the arts, whether it's dance, whether it's painting, singing, or music, and in any form, those are commonalities that we can all appreciate. And there, we do see all too often different people from different kinds of environments, who are successful, and maybe that helps us tolerate a much more diverse population within the arts. I don't know. But it's a thought.   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  52:00 Yeah, yeah. And I think, to your point, there's still, you know, we still look at conductors, for example. And we're, I know that there's still a lot of work to try to diversify conductors at the symphony, there's still, in my lifetime been a lot of work to diversify the body styles. Within dance. It was very common when I was coming up as a dancer to kind of expect a ballerina to be almost 12% under the body fat ratio, which is very unhealthy. And to see normal bodies, which bodies comes in all shapes and sizes on the stage has really been something that's developed over the past 20 years. There's still a lot of work to do. But I think the mission statement at least is is is still an unspoken. All are welcome here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.   Michael Hingson  53:09 And that's, I think, part of what's really important, and if we could only move that out of certain areas, like the arts into the rest of society, the whole idea that all are welcome or should be welcomed is so important. But we have so many places in our society where people say, Well, you're great where you are, but you can't really be where I am. And that kind of judgment never helps. Yes, yes.   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  53:41 I mean, we recently had a teacher coming to our monthly unlearning series, Joy Braungart, who was talking about the relationship between capitalism and disability justice. And I think, you know, the same way that we do not prioritize arts in schools because they within a capitalistic model, we're like, I can't make money in the arts. So we're just going to focus on math, science, reading, writing. And well, that's it. Right. And so we're still fighting for Steam as a huge thing within schools. But also, I think, in terms of disability justice, this idea that the stereotype that different bodies are still within American culture viewed through the lens of can you produce within a capitalistic system or can you not produce and that that has led to legislation that has undervalued our disabled community that has, as you said, created, you know, stigmas that are just so normal and normalized for people that they don't even question the way that they A my infantilized, somebody who is in a wheelchair infantilized, somebody who is on the ASD spectrum, all of these things that tie up to? does it relate to productivity? Or not? And that is a flawed system and itself.   Michael Hingson  55:20 Yeah, we, we still have to compare and we shouldn't have to compare. We should accept and encourage, and get people to be all they truly can be. But we, we just seem to talk about that a lot not do anything about it most of the time.   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  55:41 Yeah. Well, that's fine. You know, thank you for saying that. I know, it's just a drop in the bucket. But just like your company, what ltj global and our new tech platform for small and midsize businesses soldier is designed to do is to try to bridge that gap to bring the value around humaneness back into workplaces, and to give leaders and dei champions and everybody in between the tools and resources that they need and ready made work paths, ready made resources and toolkits, educational videos so that we can no longer say like, Oh, our company can afford it. We've we're leveraging technology to try to take that, that that kind of normal kind of objection out of the picture and saying, now it's not that you can't afford it. It's just whether or not you want to do it. Do you care about your people? Do you care about inclusivity? Or don't you?   Michael Hingson  56:50 So tell me what LTS j is all about.   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  56:55 So l th j is our consultancy. And that, you know, was a bunch of nerds from social science and the DEI field, the mental health field, organizational change, management, psychology, etc. all came together and said, hey, you know, I think this next wave of Dei, all of our research is going to be really useful as organizations try to move forward and build strong dei functions within their organization. And it's really designed to support companies that are done with just one off trainings. Or, you know, let's talk about racism potlucks, or let's talk about accessibility potlucks, and really want to do deep, meaningful transformation work. And then more recently, from really listening to our clients, we've started developing and incubating in house a new startup, which is sojourn Dei, which is to meet the needs of small nonprofits, small businesses, between you know, the size of two to about 150 employees, and make sure that they also have accesses access to revolutionary support and change tools. How does that work? Well, we're so excited. There's so many things, I think the easiest thing to say is that, once you log in at sojourn Dei, and the platform becomes available, you know, anybody can get on there and start going through guided step by step plans, surveys that you can use within your organization, training that you can provide throughout your organization, and really start learning how to build out dei and policies, procedures, frameworks, and et cetera, within your organization, all in a budget that is affordable for small businesses.   Michael Hingson  59:00 So again, what how to how does all that work? Do they is it all online? Is it meeting with people? Is it providing classes or what is it about?   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  59:09 Great idea? A great question is, first and foremost, it is a software platform. So similar to MailChimp, or a HubSpot, where we have taken all of the tools that sit inside consultants heads and downloaded them into a software platform. And so you would log in and you would have a world for your company. And it's going to allow you to have your own company dashboard where you are running initiatives where we've given you step by step work paths with templates and tools that you just apply at the right time. It'll keep you on track with compliance and with rollout. But then to your point, Michael, when you do need that some weren't the only person talking you through it on the other end of a phone or email could provide, you can actually reach out right through the platform and talk to a dei transformation manager.   Michael Hingson  1:00:13 How do you or what would you advise people who are more interested in making their their companies more inclusive? What kind of advice would you give them? What are the pitfalls that you typically see,   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  1:00:30 I think the main pitfall that we see, is trying to do one off, you know, one off trainings or one off dei statements, something like this, but not really understanding that you're implementing one of the most strategic aspects in a successful company. And so that requires attention. It requires budget, it requires time, both people time, as well as longitudinal time as you operationalize things. And so, for those leaders who are still stuck in the, oh, I'll just pull off my dei initiative, you know, work plan once a month at Disability Awareness Month, or Women's History Month or Black History Month, but then they're not doing anything the rest of the year. Those are the companies that tend to fail. And they're still confused why they're not attracting the best talent, why their company is not having some of the best outcomes with their competitors. It's because they haven't yet learned that dei is no longer a nice to have, it's a must have in this growing economic climate.   Michael Hingson  1:01:54 One of the things that I talk about, and some others talk about when we talk about inclusivity. And we talk specifically about, say blindness and hiring blind people is that, in reality, you are doing a disservice to your company, and you are missing out when you don't make inclusion. A recognized part of the cost of doing business pure and simple if you don't allow the company to recognize that everyone has expenses that the company incurs for and we we make accommodations, we make accommodations for sighted people, we have lights for you guys, we have a coffee machine for you guys. Yes, yes, we have windows so that you can look out and, and so on, we provide computer monitors and so on, but we don't necessarily provide the equivalents. The alternatives for those for a person who happens to be blind, or although it's a little bit more common, we don't necessarily tend to be as willing as we ought to be about making wheelchair ramps and other things like that. But the reality is, it's all part of the cost of doing business. And when you hire someone, and you make it a point to recognize that difference isn't going to matter here, and we're going to provide you with what you need, then that person is more apt to stay with you, statistically speaking, and there's a lot of absolute evidence to show that people will be more loyal, because we know how hard it is to get a job. When you're dealing with persons with disabilities, for example, where the unemployment rate is among unplayable people is in the 65% range. That's huge. And so, the fact is that we do appreciate jobs, and even more important, we are the ones who really ought to know what we need. And I applaud the interviewer or the employer, who will say to someone who is coming in applying for for a job, tell me what you need, and how we get it. Because a lot of times it doesn't need to be a cost to the company anyway. But bring that person in as part of the team to get themselves hired.   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  1:04:28 Yes, yes. I couldn't have said it better. Absolutely. Inclusion is just a normal cost of business.   Michael Hingson  1:04:38 Yeah, it should be. And it is something that we we really need to work on all the more to make it happen. Yes. Well, we've been doing this a while, which is fun. But I'd like to ask you to tell me how can people reach out to you learn more about you learn more about LTE HJ and so During and so on.   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  1:05:02 Thank you. And great now, either you can find us through LTHJ global.com. Or through sojourndei.com. And the difference there is really one solution is for larger companies 155 Plus ad LTHJ. And for companies between one and 150 people add sojourn Dei. And we're excited to, as Michael said, helped make inclusion just a normal part of making your business great.   Michael Hingson  1:05:40 So they can reach out and . Can they contact you through those? If they want to talk with you? Can they contact you through those sites? Or how does that work?   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  1:05:49 Absolutely. Either. myself or one of my amazing teammates will respond immediately, you might end up talking to any number of wonderful people, the great Laura Kay Chamberlain, who's one of our co founders, or Jay Alba, is one of our co founders. But I'm also at most things at Lindsey, th, Jackson, LinkedIn, or Instagram are a really great way to connect with me personally and track as we continue to grow and scale. And I'd love to welcome you on our journey.   Michael Hingson  1:06:28 And we met through LinkedIn. So I will tell you, it's a great way to connect.   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  1:06:32 Absolutely. Hey, we should make sure you get like some royalty fees for that plug.   Michael Hingson  1:06:37 Yeah, let's let's, let's go into LinkedIn and say, you know, we're doing all this for you.   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  1:06:45 Absolutely. Oh, what a wonderful time.   Michael Hingson  1:06:49 This was fun. And I really appreciate you, you coming on and being a part of this. And I said I was going to do it, Laura, you don't get to hide. Laura has been monitoring this. And I'm sure it's going to have fun talking with Lindsay afterward. But Laura, do you want to say hello, you can't?   Laura Kay Chamberlain  1:07:06 How much I love this episode, and I feel a little a little bad that I get to be the very first one to witness it. And I just took that opportunity from everybody else feel like, I feel like, yeah, they're gonna be they're gonna be excited to hear this one come out. And just such a such a natural conversation between you two, this is great.   Michael Hingson  1:07:31 No, this, this really was a lot of fun. And I appreciate both of you being here. And and I learned a lot, I always love to come on these episodes and have a chance to speak with people because I feel that I get to learn. And if, if I can learn then that's important to me. I hope I learned at least as much as anybody else. And I will, I will be going back and listening to this episode more than once to get it all. And to get the episode prepared for going up. But I really appreciate all the wisdom. And I hope we can do this some more, and would love to work with you.   Lindsey T. H. Jackson  1:08:11 Thank you so much, Michael, this was really lovely. Thank you for holding the space and creating it.   Michael Hingson  1:08:16 Well, I'm thank you for being here and helping to fill it in for all of you. Listening, I really appreciate you being here. 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Dawn DeKeyser on IMDB - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0215245/Dawn's Website - https://www.dawndekeyser.comMichael's Online Screenwriting Course - https://michaeljamin.com/courseFree Screenwriting Lesson - https://michaeljamin.com/freeJoin My Watchlist - https://michaeljamin.com/watchlistTranscripts Are Auto-GeneratedMichael Jamin:I've made a number of posts about this that yeah, put yourself in a box. People are like, But I don't wanna be in a box. Put yourself in a box and you'll worry about getting outta the box later. But right now, you need to sell yourself as who? This is what you are. What do I do? That's right. That'sDawn DeKeyser:Right. And, and so many new writers are still struggling with that. And I said, People cannot help you if they don't know where to put you.Michael Jamin:You're listening to Screenwriters. Need to Hear This with Michael Jam. Hey everybody, this is Michael Jamin and you're listening to Screenwriters. Need to Hear this. Mike cohost Phil Hudson. He's got the day off again. He's doing some more work behind the scenes, but I'm here interviewing the amazingly talented Dawn de Kaiser. And, uh, Dawn, let me tell, tell everybody who you are. Let me also you, I need to remind you who you are.Dawn DeKeyser:Okay? Please doMichael Jamin:So. You got a long history of writing some pretty great shows. So first you started, I guess, on All American Girl. That was the Margaret Cho show you did Ink Ted Danson. Remember that one? I remember that one. News Radio you wrote a news radio you wrote on All right, already, which I did not know. I guess you wrote with Steven Engel on that one. I didn't know that. Conrad Bloom, you know, I went to, uh, I went to uh, college with him. We were friends in college, Mark Fostein. Um, but I haven't talked to him since. And then the Gina Davis show starring who, who started that? Uh, the Becker Becker again. Ted Danson. Let's listen to these credits you got there was amazing. Uh, just for kicks. Ugly Betty. We know Betty Lafa, Samantha, who if I were on that show, I would've been insufferable because someone would've said, Yeah, I I have an idea. What if Samantha goes on a date? And I would've been like, Samantha, who? That would've been my joke all every day. Sign sealed. Oh, I skip on the client list. Sign sealed, delivered, hit Streak. The Gourmet Detective Summer. Love the Good Witch. Thank you, John. Thank you so much. Look at me. Are you impressed with how much work?Dawn DeKeyser:I am so impressed at. Who knew? I had no idea.Michael Jamin:You've done a lot of you. So anyway, I thank you so much for joining because, uh, is, we've never worked together. I always, even though I've known you for years, I always figured we would work together at some point. We just never did. And I blame you for that.Dawn DeKeyser:I, uh, I, blame me, we were on the same studio a lot. We were like, Yeah. Next to we had bungalows next to each other. Mm-hmm. . So that counts completely is, Yeah.Michael Jamin:Yeah. You were always a familiar face.Dawn DeKeyser:But before we start, can I curse?Michael Jamin:I don't Sure. Why, why would you, Is there something you wanna get off your chest? ?Dawn DeKeyser:Yeah. No, just that in the course of talking, it's gonna play a part of describing my path in life and Oh yeah. I don't think I could do it without some gods and fucks. SoMichael Jamin:Do it. Do it up.Dawn DeKeyser:Okay.Michael Jamin:Cause I we're getting to the truth again. So let's begin. How did you become? Where did you start? How did you get into sit? Everyone wants to know how people get into sitcom writing or TV writing. So how did you get in?Dawn DeKeyser:Yeah, so, and we all come from different angles on different paths. And in order to get to my TV days, I'll just say a little bit about my background. I was raised in a military family and my dad was a fighter pilot. And I grew up in a very great Sani kind of house. Um, I, I say I was the best son my dad ever had because I was tough and competitive. And I weighed 92 pounds and I was pious.Michael Jamin:Wait, did, were you the only child?Dawn DeKeyser:No, I had two sisters. So my mom, who was lovely, she would dress my sisters and I all in matching dresses, hats, gloves and shoes. And we would march out onto the tarmac and salute the F four phantoms as they landed.Michael Jamin:Wow. And so, and so you moved around the country then? Probably?Dawn DeKeyser:Yeah, I was born in Japan and I lived in England.Michael Jamin:Oh my. And so your Okay. Military brat. And then when you say Great Santa, cuz your dad was strict. Oh, is Now, do you wanna start cursing now? What did you want to curse?Dawn DeKeyser:Um, well, let's see. He, we did have a flow chart of our chores on our bedrooms. And when we were, I think starting at three and four and our beds had to be made with hospital corners really. And we would have to stand in a line, add attention and get, you know, understand what our chores were gonna be for the day and for the week.Michael Jamin:Because you are so not that you're so, you know, kind of almost soft spoken, very gentle. You're very warm energy. You're not , you're not a, you know, uh,Dawn DeKeyser:It's taken a long time to get this outta my system. So when I was in junior high, we moved from England to Texas and I went from riding English, um, horseback to competing in rodeos. And I then started racing sailboats. And by college I was on the varsity team. And, um, by the way, I paid my way through college, working two or three jobs each semester. And I started working when I was 15. That's a little Rob Cohen of me. Yeah.Michael Jamin:Wait, where did you go to school?Dawn DeKeyser:Um, which time? Uh, I went to, so in college I went to the University of Texas and I studied international business, Uhhuh. And then I dropped out of UT and moved to Belgium where I worked at a division of NATO for, for,Michael Jamin:I feel like you might speak a lot of languages. Do you speak how many languages you speak?Dawn DeKeyser:Um, I used to speak French when I worked in the warehouse with the Belgians. Right. Um, and then, you know, when my other girlfriends were cheerleaders and all that, I was treasurer of the Latin Club. I don't mean to brag.Michael Jamin:Wow. So you speak Latin. I knew you spoke. What?Dawn DeKeyser:And, and so then I, after dropping out, I went back and I finished up my degree in, uh, appropriately named a BS in advertising. And that's, that's really when I started my writing career. And, um, let's see, what did I do? So I started,Michael Jamin:You worked in advertising.Dawn DeKeyser:So I got to work on tv, radio, and print. And in fact, my first assignment was writing, uh, dozens of scripts for David Brener for TacoMichael Jamin:Bell. That was your work. Now I, now I know your work. .Dawn DeKeyser:That's what I'm known for. Um, so getting closer to the TV part, I was living in Dallas. My boyfriend was discovered by a talent manager, and he immediately moved out to LA and became a successful actor.Michael Jamin:Do we know his name?Dawn DeKeyser:Yeah. I went, I'll I'll say it. I mean, it was a long time ago. So Tom Hayden Church.Michael Jamin:Oh, I did not know that. Okay.Dawn DeKeyser:Yeah. And so he, his confidence and his uniqueness was just like he broken right away. Mm-hmm. . And I went on to New York and in advertising, which I loved. And you know, after a while, after about two years, I thought maybe I could write something longer than 30 seconds. Mm-hmm. . So I took writing classes at night. I did improv, which I was terrible at because of that. Let's revisit the military background. I am not spontaneous.Michael Jamin:You're not supposed to go off script when you're in the military.Dawn DeKeyser:Oh. Oh, no. And I'm very methodical and you know, by this time I was like mid to late twenties and I guess I was having a quarter life crisis and thinking, what, what am I, what do I wanna do and what do I love doing? I loved writing and I loved sitcoms more than anything. Um, I didn't know how to do that. I called Tom, who was at the time on Wings, that was his first series. And I said, Could you send by now my ex-boyfriend? And I said, Could you send me the writer's draft through a producing draft? I wanna see the transition mm-hmm. of how this writing is done. And so then I started taping my favorite shows and then doing the stop and pause on the VHS tape.Michael Jamin:Like really studying how long a scene would be, how what the act breaks are everything. Huh.Dawn DeKeyser:All that. The dialogue, the, and I would map out the beats on a notepad, which by the way, I still write on old fashioned paper notepads for everything. And then I transfer it to the computer. Wow.Michael Jamin:That's old school.Dawn DeKeyser:That is old school. And it is all about the ritual. And like, I think there's something about the the brain to the heart to the hand that gets on paper that I, I don't get when I write.Michael Jamin:But you could, you must be able to read your handwriting. Cause I can't read my handwriting. I couldn't even try.Dawn DeKeyser:I no, I can't. I can get the gist of it.Michael Jamin:Oh, really? Okay.Dawn DeKeyser:Yeah. Um, so Tom sent me a series of one of one script and, um, I was writing my own two spec scripts. And then I moved to LA with $3,000 in cash.Michael Jamin:And where, what I always, I I have to What part in LA did you live at first?Dawn DeKeyser:I lived Endless Field, which was being hailed as the New West Village of LA and it is not. And I was living right on Vermont Avenue and I slept on my bathrobe for the first two weeks until my stuff came from New York.Michael Jamin:But you had a place all by yourself or you have roommates?Dawn DeKeyser:Uh, no, I had a place to myself. I mean, it was $700 for one.Michael Jamin:Mm-hmm. . That sounds about right. That's a good deal actually. Uh, even then, that's a good deal. So, okay. And then, and then how did you find a, how did you finally get work?Dawn DeKeyser:So I was writing these spec scripts and I sent them them to Bill Diamond and Mike Sal. Mm-hmm. . And when I moved out to LA, they were my first meeting.Michael Jamin:But How did you know them?Dawn DeKeyser:Through Tom? Because they were baby writers on the show. Oh,Michael Jamin:Right. Yeah.Dawn DeKeyser:And they said, you know, we thought you were just gonna be some gal who want, who had this idea of writing for sick homes, but you know what you're doing. Right. And I was very happy about that. They didn't give me my first break,Michael Jamin:But they, but they weren't, they were just staff writers at the time.Dawn DeKeyser:Yeah, yeah. Which is fine. You know, I thought the first thing I needed to do was build a community. So I took a UCLA extension class at night and on the last day of the class, everyone was filing out. Someone turned around and said, you know, the deadline for the Disney Writer's Fellowship is tomorrow. You have to have your work postmarked by then. Okay. And I ran home and got my stuff in the mail the next morning. And, um, I sort of like that intro that I just talked about my life, I sort of put some of that in the essay that you write for what's your unique background. And, um, and then sent in a, uh, a Murphy Brown, maybe. Mm-hmm. , I'mMichael Jamin:Not sure you had a bunch of specsDawn DeKeyser:Probably. No, I had, because I'm very methodical, I would spend six months writing each of them. Okay. And that's night and day work shopping, doing writers groups, doing punch up mm-hmm. , um, until I felt like every page that your eyeballs land on made sense and was good and had a joke and you knew where the characters were going.Michael Jamin:Before we skip ahead, you said something I thought was really smart, you said you wanted to build your community. Right. Because a lot of people don't even think about that.Dawn DeKeyser:Yeah.Michael Jamin:So you knew you wanted by, you knew you wanted help or you wanted, like what, what were you looking for?Dawn DeKeyser:Well, I knew that I didn't know anyone here. Tom was off on his own, uh, fabulous life. I knew a girl from Dallas from years before, but, um, there was, there was no one that I could send my stuff to and I did cold calling to the agents and that didn't work. Doesn't do anything. Yeah. And so in the UCLA classes, I would usually, if you've got a group of 20 people, there's two that get it, let's say 10%, they'reMichael Jamin:Get what get you or what do you mean get it?Dawn DeKeyser:I mean, they get what the, they are really there to learn and to be in that field. Mm-hmm. some others, you know, just they, it's a fun class to take. Right. But you can tell the two or three people that are very, um, interested in moving their career forward. Right. So I ingratiated myself and said, Let's form a writer's group. And that was okay. You know, that was fine until you start meeting people through them, they bring in their set of information that you don't have access to mm-hmm. and then it just starts growing.Michael Jamin:Right? Yeah. You gotta be there. And you, you were there now, how were you making a living? You still working in advertising now?Dawn DeKeyser:So I was still in, I wasn't in doing advertising. I was temping and I had this job at, uh, Disney on the lot where I was answering phones for the head of marketing mm-hmm. . And I thought, I'm advertising and marketing. And because, um, at, on the second day, he came out of his office and he said, Who are you and why are you so bad at answering phones? Like you're dropping calls and you're, you're sending in the wrong people. And I was like, Yeah, cuz um, this is really what I do. I actually love the One Sheet movie posters that you guys are writing, so I'd like to write headlines for that. And I had secretly gone into the files to see what their freelancers were invoicing them.Michael Jamin:Interesting.Dawn DeKeyser:And he said, Yeah, I don't think you're right for that. So I brought in my portfolio the next day and he said, I think you're right for this. So I started picking up freelance for movie posters,Michael Jamin:But that was not, See some people think that that's how you break in, but I wouldn't think that that's how to break in. That's just how to make a book. Right.Dawn DeKeyser:What do you mean? Like,Michael Jamin:Well, like that wouldn't, working in that advertising side for Disney wouldn't get you, you know, you're on the Disney lot, but it wouldn't get you as a sick, you know, get you work as a sit home writer.Dawn DeKeyser:That's right. So that predated getting into, so I got in the Disney Writer's Fellowship, Right. Um, that was over the course of like a two, two month process of interviewing and meeting with their executives. And I went into that meeting thinking, this is what I moved out here for. And they said, So what is your plan if, if this doesn't work out? And I said, This is going to work out. I really can't imagine y y'all finding someone better or more dedicated to doing great work. I really wanna do this. I wanna work with my heroes. I wanna work with people that will make me a better writer.Michael Jamin:And who were your heroes then?Dawn DeKeyser:Well, weirdly enough, um, I had top a top five. One was Diane English, one was Chris Lloyd, the, the writer. HowMichael Jamin:Did you know Chris Lloyd? But yeah, I was so surprised you from, how would you know, how did you know Chris? Like how was he? He, Diane English? Yeah,Dawn DeKeyser:Diane English. Um, Chris was,Michael Jamin:Was he running, He wasn't running Fraser then?Dawn DeKeyser:He was like higher up on Fraser.Michael Jamin:Wow. Okay. Yeah. I'm surprised you even thought of him. But I mean Yeah, he's great. He's a he is a great writer forDawn DeKeyser:Sure. Yeah, he is. And I can't remember the other three, but within the first two years of breaking in, I worked with all five of them.Michael Jamin:Wow. Wow. Now, what was the fellowship like? Cuz we did the Warner Brothers Writer's Workshop.Dawn DeKeyser:Yeah.Michael Jamin:I'd rather you talk about it. What was the Disney one like? What was your experience there?Dawn DeKeyser:It was so great. They picked five people. I think they had in that year, um, 3000 applicants. They picked five of us and Wow. That's it. Pardon?Michael Jamin:That's it. That's, I can't, I I didn't, I didn't know it was that small.Dawn DeKeyser:Well, it's, I think it's bigger these days. I think they take on 10 or 20, which is good. And they have a, they had another five fellows that did only film. And our five, you know, I'm still in contact with today. We would meet, um, twice a week at each other's houses. And then usually once a week or every two weeks we'd go to Disney and we would pitch where we are with our specs script. So it was a small, like a small stipend that paid the rent. OhMichael Jamin:Wow. And those five, all five went on to work?Dawn DeKeyser:Um, not consistently. Not really. Okay. But that again, was just, I think it has everything to do with focus. Mm-hmm. . Um, and I'll talk about that a little more of like, if you, if you are not, if you don't pick a lane, I am a sitcom half hour multi-camera mm-hmm. writer. That's what I wanna do.Michael Jamin:That Right. I, I so intriguing. Cause I say that I've made a number of posts about this that Yeah, put yourself in a box. People like, but I don't wanna be in a box, Put yourself in a box and you worry about getting outta the box later. But right now you need to sell yourself as who this is what you are. Why do I do? That's right.Dawn DeKeyser:That's right. And, and so many new writers are still struggling with that. And I said, People cannot help you if they don't know where to put you. Yeah. And so if you say, Oh, I write drama and comedy and romance, it's like, that's great for you, but I only know comedy writers. Right. So I don't think I'm gonna even help you because I don't know if you're really connected with that or with drama orMichael Jamin:How serious you are about it. Yeah, exactly. Market yourself. Make it easy for people. Yeah. You know? Yeah. What, See, it's, so sometimes I, sometimes I wonder, am I just bullshitting? Am I making this up? You know, am I the only one who feels this way? No, I don't, I don't think, I think I'm saying stuff everyone else thinks, you know, agrees withDawn DeKeyser:You are not alone. And you're getting such great information out there to so many people. It's really spectacular.Michael Jamin:You're very kind.Dawn DeKeyser:You're fan Michael Jam. ButMichael Jamin:That's me. So then, okay, so then okay, then what you have. All right.Dawn DeKeyser:So then I was in the fellowship and they put, they don't promise, but they say, we may place you on one of our Disney shows. And that's where I went onto All American Girl. Mm-hmm. . AndMichael Jamin:It, Were they paying you? Cuz I'm Warner of Brothers. If they staffed you in one of their shows, you get, at least back then you would get, you work for like a third of scale. A third. But was that the case on Disney?Dawn DeKeyser:We didn't get paid, but we got paid for the scripts that we wrote because they were already paying. Like, more brothers doesn't pay youMichael Jamin:To pay. Right. No one of those you pay to get in.Dawn DeKeyser:Oh yeah.Michael Jamin:We paid. Yeah. We, we paid like, I think it was like $400 each or something. But I think it's way more than now. I think it's a lot more now.Dawn DeKeyser:Hmm. No, they, they would place you as free labor on their shows. And it was my first experience in the writer's room. It was hard. I had trouble being heard. And I did end up, we had an order for 13 episodes. I ended up writing three of them.Michael Jamin:What was your three? That's that's a lot actually for a staff writer. I wonder why weren't you, you must have been scared.Dawn DeKeyser:They liked my writing. They liked, like, I spent again, it was like, I really sweated it. This is another thing that I, that I stress to writers is sweated, you can't make a lot of money if you're not putting that amount into your writing and your own career. SoMichael Jamin:Yeah. So 13, that's a lot. And but what was it like? I mean, were you okay? I always think that when we first kinda just shoot me, I was like, I'm in over my head. I am in over my head. Yeah. How did you felt? The same wayDawn DeKeyser:I am in over my head. Um, I, yeah, I, it was terrifying. And I realized that I wasn't a match for people who had been in writing rooms that were louder funnier, more obnoxious, mostly just louder. Mm-hmm. . So I sat next to this one writer and I, I'd whisper things to him to see if he could pitch them for me.Michael Jamin:And did he? Yeah. And, and they went over and then did he give you, did you say as dope? OhDawn DeKeyser:Yeah. Yeah. He would gimme credit. But you know, I said I don't even wanna push that. I just wanna see.Michael Jamin:Right. IfDawn DeKeyser:You're on the right game. Well, I wanna be part of this game, but I don't know how to play.Michael Jamin:Yeah, right. Exactly. Right. And it takes several, How long did it take you before you felt like you knew how to play? How many years?Dawn DeKeyser:Um, well that's the interesting thing because my next job was on news radio. Right. And I, I have all, I had felt like an all American girl that I was getting my, you know, sort of getting my feet under me. But that was, they were kicked out from under me on this, on the next actual staff job that I have. Right. That I had. And it took me, um, quite a long time to feel okay in the room. And it really wasn't until many years later when I was in the ugly Betty Writers' room because the, you had drama writers there who were so great about staying on focus with the story and not performing and the performance of the comedy when you do a comedy pitch. I was scared ofMichael Jamin:Oh, interesting. So cuz they don't have, obviously when you're doing the drama you don't have to be funny. So they're basically just talking about the story points. Cause I haven't really worked on it and they're not, Yeah. They're not hoping the joke will land cuz there is no joke.Dawn DeKeyser:It was so weird to, um, go out on, on an act with no joke. It was like, what? Wait, we can just cliff hanger like that. .Michael Jamin:Do you feel like these drama rooms are more civilized because of that?Dawn DeKeyser:Yeah, definitely. They were also, they were just more writerly and, um, more mature. And I, you know, I say that sitcom riding was a full contact sport. Mm-hmm. . And I didn't realize that when I started I wanted to be around really funny people. And it was so much work for me. There was the whole other aspect of being a female writer and oftentimes the only woman in the room.Michael Jamin:Why? Talk about that experience a little. What's that like?Dawn DeKeyser:Well, it sucked .Michael Jamin:It, it sucked. It sucked.Dawn DeKeyser:It wasMichael Jamin:Sucked. But not all the time. Just sometimes or all the time?Dawn DeKeyser:Every timeMichael Jamin:On every show. Every show.Dawn DeKeyser:No. If there were other women in the writer's room, it was a little less terrible,Michael Jamin:But still terrible.Dawn DeKeyser:Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. . It wasn't until I got into dramas and then dramas that I just felt like, okay, I can, I can do my work. I could be funny. I'm much funnier on the page and I would just think, Oh God, I gotta get out of the writer's room so I can be funny. Right. So that was not the best strategy.Michael Jamin:Right.Dawn DeKeyser:Um, and I was the only woman on news radio that year. Andy and Eileen were there and they left after a few episodes.Michael Jamin:Right. But Right. But you overlap with him. Right. Cause that's how I, that's how I met you through Eileen I think.Dawn DeKeyser:Oh, probably. Yeah. Yeah. That's right.Michael Jamin:And you know, they were both very, I remember I'd just shoot me, both of them. They'd pitch a line, like a story, uh, idea and then, you know, people Oh, that's good. And like, how do you know it's good? How do they, like how are they doing this? Like how do you know? You know, Anyway, but I thinkDawn DeKeyser:That's, I don't know. Would you say that it helps to have a partner? Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah.Michael Jamin:For sure. It helped a lot. I mean I, you know, the two of us were clinging to each other for, you know, for dear life. . Um, I think definitely it's that way more intimidating to do it all to it on yourself. But how do you, what do you like, what do you experience even now or like lately when you have a staff writer who feels the same way that you felt like what, you knowDawn DeKeyser:Yeah.Michael Jamin:What goes on there?Dawn DeKeyser:Well, um, working on pilots, there was one young girl who came in and just to sort of observe mm-hmm. and I just took to her because she was so, um, she had a script in a big binder with all of it color coded with all of her nose. I was like, Oh my God, you're after my heart. Um, becauseMichael Jamin:She's so prepared. People, young writers come in prepared sometimes. I'm alwaysDawn DeKeyser:Yeah, they do. And I just said, You are after my heart. I will help you in any way that I can. And she was working for, for quite some time. I think she lives on the East coast now. Right. It's that, um, it's that showing up prepared and really earnest. Like, I love that. I kind of love when people try a little too hard and sometimes it can be cringy. I'm like, Yes, I get it. That's me.Michael Jamin:But do you have you also, cause I've experienced young writers who kind of don't under, they don't know what they don't know as well, you know, as well and they kind ofDawn DeKeyser:Yeah.Michael Jamin:Argue or overstep and, you know, have you experienced that?Dawn DeKeyser:Oh yeah. And the, one of the first things I say is, do not litigate. Do just, just take it in. And it's also the, um, once you learn how to take notes on your script and realize that it's not personal, get out of your own fucking way. Get outta your way. Because after like being in writer's groups, we had rules about how we gave notes to each other. And the person getting the notes has to shut up. You cannot explain why you put something in a script. It's like, I don't care why you put it in there. Here's me as a reader is not getting this part of it. Right. And there's been plenty of times I'd be giving people notes and just like in classes or writer's room. Um, Yeah. Classes a writer resume. And I could tell that they didn't want the note.Michael Jamin:Yeah. Oh well no one wants a note. . Yeah. I mean,Dawn DeKeyser:I mean just like basic stuff, especially in writers' groups where if, if they are arguing their stance and their reason for why they wrote something, it's like, Oh, I get it. Okay. You're good. You're good to go. All all's good.Michael Jamin:Right. Right. And so this, see, it's so funny how we have the same, like we've never worked in the same show. We've had so many the same exact experiences.Dawn DeKeyser:Yes. Although I would, I would, Oh you said venture to mention that. Um, you know, and some writers' rooms, it's like, I was not safe. I was commented, my body was commented on when I would walk into a room and when I would leave a room and I was told to suck it up by my agents because it was a really good show. OrMichael Jamin:Do you think they were trying to be funny or were they're being sexual harassing? Like, you know, what were they trying, what was the Oh,Dawn DeKeyser:Sometimes it was just trying to be funny. But, um, it was funny at my expense I say I was humiliated for sport on a particular show. Right. And they were cruel. And they were also like, my agents came in after one of our show tapings and they looked around the office and went, Oh, I see what you're talking about. It smells like rancid cheese in here. The guys were walking around in boxer shorts. They had brought futons to their offices cuz they were just staying there.Michael Jamin:So like, cuz the hours is terrible. Yeah,Dawn DeKeyser:Yeah. And they also had jars of their pee in the offices because I thought that was hilarious.Michael Jamin:Yeah.Dawn DeKeyser:So that's, that's not just being like, IMichael Jamin:Dunno. And it's interesting that you, you were able to speak up about this because this was before people were really speaking up about this. You know what I'mDawn DeKeyser:Saying? I didn't, I didn't, I mean, I didn't until more recently. That's a really,Michael Jamin:To your agent at least you did. You know?Dawn DeKeyser:Well, I just said it's so hard. I mean it's so Yeah. And that my agents were womenMichael Jamin:And they still, And you're, they still,Dawn DeKeyser:Yeah.Michael Jamin:I can't, I want, What do you think if that were today though? I can't imagineDawn DeKeyser:It wouldn't happen today.Michael Jamin:Yeah. You'd be taking a lot more seriously, you know. Yeah,Dawn DeKeyser:Yeah. It, it, it, yeah. It wouldn't happen today. Um, that, that show ended up not hiring a woman writer for the rest of its run for like three or four more seasons.Michael Jamin:And, but from what I understand, well maybe, maybe I shouldn't say which show it was. Do we say which show it was? I know some,Dawn DeKeyser:It may have earlier, butMichael Jamin:I know some of the, like some of these shows that you were on the hours were absolutely terrible. Terrible. Like, what were those, what was that like?Dawn DeKeyser:That was like being held hostage by a crazy person. Right. And that sometimes the showrunner would be on medication and they would not be able to focus and they would just kind of keep us there. A lot of times you'd hear about showrunners who just didn't wanna go home to their wife and kids, which is terrible,Michael Jamin:Terrible, terrible. Right. Wow.Dawn DeKeyser:Yeah. Wow. So that was, that was hard. I mean, driving home at four in the morning and then getting up at around 10, um, and then getting back to the office by 10 30 or 11,Michael Jamin:Was there a lot of sitting around and waiting? Or was it all work?Dawn DeKeyser:No, it was a lot of sitting around and waiting and storytelling galing each other. Mm-hmm. , you know. Geez. But, but things are not, they don't work that way anymore. Which is,Michael Jamin:Yeah. I don't think so. You gotta, yeah. When you get, that's a bad situation. Uh, sometimes like we, you know, we did a couple bad hours like on just shoot me, but it was never, cuz we were dicking around, it was because like a story blew, blew up and we had to work till four in the morning. That was a couple of those. But it wasn't, cuz it wasn't ill behavior. It was just, that's just the, you know, sometimes that happens.Dawn DeKeyser:Yeah, for sure. And you know, people like Steve Levitan and some of the other guys you've worked with, they are not there to make a point or single someone out just for fun. Yeah. And you guys, you and Sea were as showrunners, you would never do that. You would never write that.Michael Jamin:No. Our goal was always to go home early. That was, how could we go home early today, , what could we do to get the work done, Have a, have a good hour. Um, but what about developing when you, you know, come up with your own ideas? What's that? How does that work?Dawn DeKeyser:That was, um, that was usually, uh, someone that I'd be in the writer's room with. They would come to me and say, I've got an idea. Do you like this? Or we would pair up just for the pitch.Michael Jamin:So most of your develop, Okay. So people ask me about that. Can you, can you work independently or can you work with team up with people? Cuz we, we, you know, that's what you did mostly.Dawn DeKeyser:Yeah. And when I was, um, like I'd say mid-level writer mm-hmm. , it would behoove me to go in with a showrunner or a co p Right. And, um, just so that I could to have those meetings and kind of get the lay of the land until later when I would writeMichael Jamin:Around.Dawn DeKeyser:Yeah.Michael Jamin:But in the beginning, were you, were you kind of working under them or were you literally together.Dawn DeKeyser:Together. Okay. Together.Michael Jamin:And, and then now, okay, now when you come up with an idea, how does that work alone? I mean,Dawn DeKeyser:Oh, it was, it was great. So we're, we've been talking mostly about the nineties and then after a few of the shows, like I, I went to work through the rest of the nineties, but I did definitely get the comedy knocked out of me. Um, I went on to do a series of shows and over that time there were less and less options because we had the game shows coming in and reality tv. And by 2000 I went to rehab and it was very helpful. I mean, you know, I got this shit kicked out of me and I was no match. I was not cravenly ambitious. I was just always grateful to be there, which doesn't give you any control. And with, with my, it was a short stint and I was able to piece things together. I also took jobs for shorter amounts of time. Like if they had a full year season, I'd say I'll work the first 13.Michael Jamin:What if they pick, what if they wanted you for the back nine or whatever.Dawn DeKeyser:Then I said, I'm not available. And I'd move to New York and just kind of in between each show I had to do a lot of repair. I just had to sleep.Michael Jamin:Interesting. I I, I didn't even know that was an option. Like that's kind of, I that's kind of unusual to kind of good for you. Like, you're calling the shots, you're saying this is what I'm willing to do. I don't know anybody who does that, who can do that, I guess.Dawn DeKeyser:Well I wasn't, um, I couldn't, I mean financially it was not the thing to do, but mentally I knew that I had to not put myself in harm's way. Right. And, um, I always, it also had advertising to go back to occasionally. Right. So, um, you know, by, I would say, so I continued to work. I'd pick up an episode here, um, less staff drops available, but I just kind of eked out a living. It wasn't the trajectory that I'd started on. Right. And I was okay with that.Michael Jamin:Hey, it's Michael Jamin. If you like my videos and you want me to email them to you for free, join my watch list. Every Friday I send out my top three videos. These are for writers, actors, creative types. You can unsubscribe whenever you want. I'm not gonna spam you and it's absolutely free. Just go to michael jamin.com/watchlist.Michael Jamin:Basically this is the, the interesting part, which I don't really talk about a lot on anything is the economics of really being a writer. Because I don't know, we don't just talk about it, but cuz we were saying, you know, you kind of, you kind of, you were calling the shots. You're saying, this is what I'm willing to do. I don't want, I'll work this much, I don't wanna work that much because it's not , it's not good for me, my mental health. And I get that. Um, but so then to kind of to, you know, had to make, to make ends meet, you also have this other project that you've been working on and I wanna talk about that.Dawn DeKeyser:Yes. So I think we, uh, we were talking about 2000 rehab, excellent. Mm-hmm. very helpful. And so it was on the heels of that that I was starting to piece together what I wanted my life to look like, which was not working 18 hours a day with difficult people. Yeah. So I would, I would take my jobs for shorter amounts of time. Like if a, if a show had an order for 22, I said I'll work on the first 13. Right. And then I would generally go to Texas or New York and then just repair in between shows. And it, financially it was not a strong way to do it. But, um, I wanted to circle back a little bit on the, the rehab stuff. Um, you had asked at one point about did I, was I an AA and I wanna say that that never worked for me.Dawn DeKeyser:And there was this book a few years back called Quit Like A Woman. And it's about, it was by H Whitaker and it's about smart recovery. And one of the things that just made so much sense to me was that AA is a AAL system. And one of the first things that they ask you to do is give, give away your power. And the thing is, we women are rendered powerless in so many situations already. Why the fuck would I wanna go into a meeting and, and not have any agency over myself and my decisions? So that's a part of smart recovery and I love it. I think it's reallyMichael Jamin:Do do you meet as as often as, as somebody you know, in, in the group or, you know?Dawn DeKeyser:No, and the thing about it is, um, I'm sort of a social drinker. I don't have an issue with that anymore. And it's really about like, if you have a drink, you don't start at day one. You just, you figure out if you wanna manage your use of anything or, um, if you don't want to . Right. And, and it's just, um, it's just less, um, punishing Right. Say so. Um, and I know that, you know, we're writers, we're tender souls and we feel a lot. And I just wanted to get sort of, get that out there. That's something that's really helped and resonated withMichael Jamin:Viola Davis said something like that, you know, obviously not a writer but an actor, but she said, I guess I can't remember what it was about, but she's basically saying someone criticized her for having thin skin. And she goes, I'm supposed to have thin skin. That's, I'm an artist. Like I, you know, I'm not supposed to have thick skin . I'm supposed to feel things and express things. YouDawn DeKeyser:Know? That's right. That's right. I mean, that's what we do. We do. And um, we feel things and then we express them and we write them and we get it out there and people get it. They understand that. Um, you can't be general in really good writing. You gotta be specific.Michael Jamin:Right, Exactly. Specific. Yes. Yeah. Well tell but tell me about your summit.Dawn DeKeyser:Okay, so sumMichael Jamin:It up.Dawn DeKeyser:Sum it up. Um, one, sum it up. One of the things we don't talk about as writers is all that dead air, that space between gigs or the fact that the seasons are shorter now, and there's the writing staffs are smaller and the industry expands and contracts and the summit called writers making money. Lose the ego, tap into your talent and bring cash in during these weird ass apocalyptic times. I'm said that earlier. And, um, it's really about what are you doing for passive income investing? How are you keeping the lights on mm-hmm. and these, So I talk to money experts and mindset coaches and, um, we talk about things like cash machines, which is how do you bring in a little bit just in passive income? It's not hard. Um, if you have lazy assets, like my IRA's been sitting there doing nothing for a long time. And, um, we talked about what types of entities as a creative person you need to set up and forget it'll run on its own without you. But just getting all of that in place. And so, uh, in 2020 my life imploded mm-hmm. . And after that, and I'll just say a little bit like in 2020 my house flooded and I lost about 50 years worth of furniture, clothing, art, stuff like that. And then my husband, um, emailed me d divorce papers.Michael Jamin:Right. And then it gets worse,Dawn DeKeyser:And then it gets worse. And then covid hit. And then while the house was being torn apart with asbestos, tenting, my daughter and I moved into one corner of the house during, while she was in virtual school, I lost my dream job. I lost the house. And then we just decided to go and spend time in Woodstock, New York with friends, which was good. And then we came back in November and about that Thanksgiving, my husband passed away. Right. So that was very hard. And, um, I spent after, you know, we went through the grieving process and then after we , just after we got that done, after we were cured of that , I started into just figuring out again, what do I want my life to look like in my career? And I still wanna write. And so I started taking business classes, business coaching, leadership training, um, and talking to money experts and just like, what, how am I setting myself up for generational wealth? Which is something that I didn't look ahead, I didn't look to, excuse me. And then my daughter got into college, which was amazing, and she's in New York now. She's at the number one design school in the country, Parsons. And we said yes. And then I looked at the, how much it was gonna cost and out. Oh. And also in 2020, all my money kind of evaporated, unbeknownst to me. So I was really starting from scratch with no home address. Right. And, um,Michael Jamin:What do you mean your money evaporated? What hap what do you mean?Dawn DeKeyser:Well, um, my husband was, um, he was not, well, he was very troubled and very ill. And that kind of went with him. SoMichael Jamin:He, Okay. So he learned,Dawn DeKeyser:He found out that we were a few hundred thousand in debt. So again, all that doesn't matter, it's just money. So we find out that Ava's college is 80,000 Right. Thinking, you know what, we're gonna do this. We'll just figure out a way. So for the last 18 months, I have been figuring out ways to set our lives up and start bringing in money in a different way outside of tv, outside of just writing as a creative person. And it's working and I wanna, and I just want people to know that there's, IMichael Jamin:Share that that's important cuz you know, creative people, like, we don't go into this profession, at least I don't think, you know, we don't go into the special to become middle managers. We don't go to become to know about money because like, you know, I think that's part of, also, I'm not excusing any of the bad behavior in TV shows, but no one becomes a writer because they wanna manage people. They go because they just wanna goof off and be creative and do whatever and that. But the problem is that can, that can affect people, other people working underneath you, you know?Dawn DeKeyser:Yeah, for sure. You know that as a showrunner. Yeah. And you work up through the ranks because of your writing talent and then you're suddenly in an administrative position, Right. As a showrunner, right? Yeah.Michael Jamin:Yeah. It's like, I don't, I didn't want, I don't wanna be the boss, I just wanna be a writer. But, but this is how it is now. Now you have to manage people. So anyway, so, but, but so that's why I think what you're talking about in your summit is important. So Yeah. Tell us more about it. Yeah.Dawn DeKeyser:So I think it's really important because we are, this is gonna talk about, um, using your left brain in a right brain industry mm-hmm. . And it's not that hard. It's not that scary. I talked to this one woman who's known for her millionaire maker series, and I started working with her this summers. Like, what am I, I'm doing everything wrong. I know that, and I've made money and I've spent it, and I would kind of like to not do that anymore. And her team is, you know, they're talking about how to get me set up and any of their other clients and it's been just a complete game changer. Right. Like, it just, um, and she's very intense and very complex in all of the knowledge that she has. She's not a Susie Orman or Dave Ramsey where they talk about saving mm-hmm. and don't have that latte in the morning.Dawn DeKeyser:And she says, Oh, you know, fuck all that live. You're like, make money and do the right thing with it because we just aren't ever aware of what to do. Like lazy assets. My IRA sitting there, and now I'm going to instead take some of that out and put it into a, an investing group that will, will put money into apartment buildings and real estate. And y'all who have houses out here are, you know, that is great, but it's not a financial strategy. Mm-hmm. . And anyway, so I was excited about learning all of this, especially on the heels of having to reconfigure my whole life. And I just wanna get it out there.Michael Jamin:Yeah. You had, you did a giant reset. A giant reset. Yeah. Very overwhelming. I I'm getting nervous just thinking about what you did .Dawn DeKeyser:It was, um, it was weird. It was, yeah. It was really hard. And, um, yeah, I am grateful. Like I'm grateful for my life. There's one of two ways you can go when tragedy happens. And that is, you can stay in it and think of the all the other bad things that are right around the corner mm-hmm. or, um, you can pick yourself up and get going in a completely different way. That's the, that was the, the real impetus for me is like, I wanna do things differently and Oh, and there was something you said about h hustling. Yes. Yes. Um, so I'm, I'm now putting questions out there and answering them and not even giving you any air time . Like, we all hustle, we all get that, get the work done. One thing that I wanted to do in this new reset was to not hustle as much what I do. I'm working a lot, but at home on my own schedule. And if it feels like it's getting stressful or sense of urgency, I take a nap. Right. I just slow down and I wanna do it in a more peaceful way.Michael Jamin:Right. That's so interesting. And so people can learn more about your, the summit@dawntokaiser.comDawn DeKeyser:Slash writers making moneyMichael Jamin:Back slash writers making money. And so then when is the next one?Dawn DeKeyser:It's going to be October 17th through the 19th. So for three days we have, Oh, sorry. For three days we have nine speakers. Right. And each day we'll talk like one, I talk to an actress who is now writing this really fabulous, um, children's book series. She loves that. She's like, I still act, but here's something that fills my heart. Right. Um, talking to Laura Lang Meyer, who's intense, she's still intense. Um, and she is all, she's, she talks about money in a way of let's get everything. Let's not have your bookkeeper talk to your cpa, talk to your business manager. She's like, We just do everything and, and all in one place, which is what I,Michael Jamin:And we should mention, this is all free for people who want to join the summit. Right. It'sDawn DeKeyser:All free. It's free, free, free. So you just sign up, give me your email and your name, and you'll get access to all of that.Michael Jamin:Right. Right. Yeah. And then, but then you and you also have a consulting business, a script consultingDawn DeKeyser:Business. I do. So all that's gonna launch to, I am all about putting everything off to the last minute. So that launches next week, and that'll be on my dawn de kaiser.com website. I'll do, I'll be doing script consulting, um, coaching for creatives and the writer's room. We're going be, we'll meet once a once a weekMichael Jamin:About,Dawn DeKeyser:Yeah. We'll do guest speakers and q and a and then writing sprints.Michael Jamin:Once a writing sprintDawn DeKeyser:That is kind of a Pomodoro style I put on a timer and heads, pencils up, heads down.Michael Jamin:Oh, okay. And then you give a little short assignment. PeopleDawn DeKeyser:Not even, you know, I'll say, set your intention at the very beginning of what you wanna accomplish in the next 25 minute sprint. Okay. And, um, and we just do check in. It helps to get online or, you know, to check in with other people. Your Facebook group is really going strong and people are finding each other there. Mm-hmm. . And that's been really helpful for them.Michael Jamin:Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. You got a lot going on.Dawn DeKeyser:Yeah. Um,Michael Jamin:Now I wanna talk about when you're, when you're on a a show, like what's, what's your experience like working with new young writers and and what do you see? Dos and don'ts?Dawn DeKeyser:Yeah. I see the ones that really, that just grab my heart are the ones who try really hard. Mm-hmm. , they are like, to a cringy point, like I love that. I was working on a pilot and this one young writer came in, she was gi given a shot and she had her script in a big binder, three reading binder with all of her color coordinated post-it notes. Mm-hmm. that. And, and I just thought, she's after my own heart. Like I, that's She was prepared. She was prepared. That's right.Michael Jamin:Because sometimes new young writers, they'll look at the boss and because the boss very often isn't really prepared because, you know, they got a million things going on. Or even some of the upper level writers are kind of play it loose. But, uh, and so some of 'em think, well, if the boss has got his feet up on the, or her feet up on the desk, so could so can I, I'll just do what the boss is doing. . But you're not the boss. YouDawn DeKeyser:Know, you have not earned the right to put your feet up on the table yet.Michael Jamin:Right. So you, But when you see people come in prepared, uh, you know, I like that. I like, sometimes they'll, like, they'll say, I have a pitch. I'm like, Oh good. I, they'll say like, I have five ideas. Well let's hear 'em. I don't have any ideas.Dawn DeKeyser:That's right. . That's right. Yeah. It's just, it's just sort of, um, you know, not taking it personally mm-hmm. . And uh, I see a lot of writers who litigate their script. Mm-hmm. ,Michael Jamin:They overstep. Right.Dawn DeKeyser:They do. And they just argue for the, they don't need to argue. Mm-hmm. , they, their work is on the page. It either is working or it's not. And you are in a room with professionals who will tell you mm-hmm. and you don't need to explain to them what you put in the script and why, because they don't care. It's not working. Right. Right. So yeah. It is that losing the ego part of it.Michael Jamin:Yeah. It's, it's hard for people to, it's hard for young writers to accept that. Um, and they don't see it yet. And then as you get older, and then sometimes I feel like, ah, I, I'm like, crouchy the old guy. Um, but I, I don't, I don't think so. I think like you just, you have the experience. It's like, I don't wanna argue with you. I, you know, I know from experience that this is how, this is how it's gotta go. This is what this is. What you presented is not gonna work. I just know. I just know that, youDawn DeKeyser:Know. Yeah. You've, you've done your time.Michael Jamin:Yeah. Um, and do you feel, But how do you, and I think I I I, we talked about this a little bit. How, how do you think people are breaking in today?Dawn DeKeyser:Oh, that's right. I said I do not know. I have no idea. Yeah. I have no idea. Um, what you and Rob Cohen talked about was just coming in from all different angles. Like mine was a winding road getting here. And um, some of it worked, some of it didn't. But, um, that, yeah. It's like no one is going to give you a career. They will give you a shot. Right. And that's why your work has to be outstanding. And I say, not good, not great. Outstanding. And you'll get work. You know, I, I just, um, and there are so many,Michael Jamin:Cause some people think, well, it's good enough or it's better than what the garbage that I see on tv. And they think, well, you know, Okay, okay. Maybe it is, but it's, you know, that's not good enoughDawn DeKeyser:That, But people have been saying that since I started in tv. It's like, Oh, it's better than what's on the air. No, it's not .Michael Jamin:No,Dawn DeKeyser:No. You, you are competing with a room of 12 professional writers who have each other to bounce it off of. And there's a reason that they write all of that. It may not end up great. That may be for all these reasons that you have no access to, which is network notes or, um,Michael Jamin:Acting notes. The actor you can get it from. Yeah. Um, there's a lot of reasons even, you know, I haven't really talked about this a lot, but even writing a bad television show is hard. Even writing bad TV is hard, You know,Dawn DeKeyser:, it's so hard. I worked on this one show that was a drama but just inadvertently a comedy. It was so terrible. And I think we got written up in the Hollywood Reporter for it just being so campy. We weren't going for campy, we were just trying , We're just, just trying to get the scripts to the actors.Michael Jamin:Right. How funny. Do and, and do you find, I think we, we've talked, I don't remember we mentioned this, but do you find working cuz you kind of transitioned to from comedy sitcom to DRM or, and even drama, like, um, and I think you were talking about even more chill. Like what? Cause I hadn't worked in drama, really. So what are the differences in the writing room, the writers' room forDawn DeKeyser:That? Yeah. It's a, it's a's a huge difference. So, um, 2017 Me Too movement mm-hmm. , um, that was a game changer for people like me who had been dragged around a few rough corners. And, um, it did change the, it changed the personality of a lot of writers' rooms. As, as you know, for me, um, comedy was always kind of a full contact sport. Mm-hmm. , you'd be in the room with comedians, performers, writers, and there would be jumping up and down and just, it was a lot of performance. And so Right.Michael Jamin:Because you gotta sell that joke.Dawn DeKeyser:You gotta sell it. Right. You gotta sell it. No one else is gonna sell it. Um, so I, my first job in drama was Ugly Betty, but they had, half of the staff was comedy writers, which hadn't been done a lot or before. Right. So what I noticed was that the drama writers were so writerly and they were so not worried about selling the act break and getting the big joke out on a beat or a scene. And it was, it was so great. It was so great to talk about the story and not about not worry about how you're gonna sell the joke for me. Right. I, I liked that part of it. And then I went on to be in other drama rooms that were just very respectful.Michael Jamin:And how did you make that transition? You had basic, cuz it's not like you could just jump from comedy writer to drama. You ba you're kind of starting overDawn DeKeyser:Kinda, you know, I didn't look at it that way. I will say that drama writers don't tend to become comedy writers.Michael Jamin:Right. Right. It's, it's a one, right? You, if you can write comedy, you could probably write drama, but not necessarily the other way around. Right.Dawn DeKeyser:Right. I mean, it's just a whole different muscle. Um, I don't know. I think I got this shit kicked out of me in comedy, so I thought, I wanna be . I'm now more serious.Michael Jamin:But now you started writing sample, you had to write samples. You gotta start as if you'd never done ob cause you'd never done it before. You had start writing drama samples.Dawn DeKeyser:That's right. And I found that the agents did not want to marketing me that way. You know, I've already established myself and, and they would then have to hand me over to a different set of agents.Michael Jamin:That's interesting. Right? Cause I talk about this. Well, so many people think that soon as I get an agent, how do I get an agent? They say this all the time. How do I get an agent as if that's gonna help at all? You know, that's not gonna change your life. Once you've, you know, once even when you become at your level, you know you're in charge,Dawn DeKeyser:Right? Yeah, absolutely. And I didn't get an agent until I was, I'd won some script writing contests. I was in the Disney Writer's Fellowship. I was writing all those scripts on one of their shows, and I still couldn't get an agent. StillMichael Jamin:Couldn't get an agent. Yeah.Dawn DeKeyser:And so I called, I contacted CAA and uta and they're like, Yeah, no, we're very interested. And no one would pull the trigger. So I called CAA back and said, Yeah, I'm going into UTA this afternoon. And that's when I got the offer. And then I called uta. I said, Yeah, I'm gonna go on, go ahead and go to CAA this afternoon.Michael Jamin:And Wow. So you were just bluffing? Yeah. Wow. Interesting. Yeah, we, for a while when we, um, God, where were we? I think we were at, uh, Endeavor. Mm-hmm. . And we weren't getting much. Um, we, I guess we weren't getting to kind of help the support we needed then as soon as, but as soon as we threatened to, to go to uta mm-hmm. , like everyone was called suddenly, suddenly they wanted to talk to us. .Dawn DeKeyser:Yeah. Yeah. That'll get them sitting up straight. Yeah.Michael Jamin: good for you. That's hard. That's, that's, uh, gutsy. But, okay. So then, um, but in terms of breaking stories, it, is it kind of the same on a, on a drama forDawn DeKeyser:Yeah. It's kind of the same. Instead of going out on a big blow, you go out on a big cliff hanger. Right. AndMichael Jamin:A pregnant moment.Dawn DeKeyser:What?Michael Jamin:That's, that's what I was told. It's called, It's, it's a pregnant, a pregnant moment. Like, OhDawn DeKeyser:Yes, that's right. Yes. What next? Yeah, and I, I just really liked it. I had this lovely experience working with Martha Williamson, who created Touch by an Angel. Mm-hmm. . And she's one of like the top Christian women in the country. And she was interviewed on 60 Minutes and she had quite a big career. And I had never been in a respectful writer's room before. And so I was like, Oh, we can't say fuck. And they, the two other guys, it was just like four of us. Mm-hmm. said, Oh, no, no, no. And so I thought, okay, no, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna give it a go , andMichael Jamin:I'm gonna hold my tongue when I don't have to say be crashed. Weird.Dawn DeKeyser:Yeah. I'm not gonna be disgusting. So, um, it was a really great experience. Right. That's interesting. And yeah. And the other, the dramas that I've done, and then, and then things sort of went, like I was able to write, um, episodes of Hallmark shows that's, I call that the women, the women writers ghetto. Um, cause we all, we all sort of end up there doing our cozy mysteries, which, um,Michael Jamin:It used to be, I guess children's shows, but I guess now you're saying for it's, it's home, It's, uh,Dawn DeKeyser:Hallmark has always been the family network. Yeah.Michael Jamin:Yeah.Dawn DeKeyser:Family. Family.Michael Jamin:But when you develop, are you develop on your own? Are you, are you mostly doing comedy or drama?Dawn DeKeyser:Um, comedy, No, I would say both. And I'm not developing a lot. I have had this one idea that I love so much that I'm afraid to write it. I just, I just can't seem to do it.Michael Jamin:Why? Why?Dawn DeKeyser:Because I want it to be really good.Michael Jamin:Well, why don't you make, Write it as a book then?Dawn DeKeyser:No, it's a great series.Michael Jamin:Yeah. But if you sell it as a book, then, then you can turn it as a TV show. No.Dawn DeKeyser:Mm. Book writing. That's hard.Michael Jamin:Book writing. What would I know?Dawn DeKeyser:What writingMichael Jamin:? What do you mean book writing? ?Dawn DeKeyser:What is this book thing you talk about?Michael Jamin:Um, so interesting. But, okay, so I wanna make sure everyone knows more about, I guess I, when we talked about it, I wanna make sure before we sign off, but everyone knows more about how they can get in touch with you, how they can find you and learn more about your summit and your, your consulting services and all that.Dawn DeKeyser:Yeah. So that's all coming out next week and maybe by the time this runs, Yeah, probably it's, yeah, Hope. Um, Instagram @dawndekeyserwrites TikTok @dawndekeyserwrites website DawnDeKeyser.com. And I will tell you, you know, you use your name and all of your stuff. I would, I just was so uncomfortable doing that. I was calling it everything else, but what I am doing. So now it's just my name.Michael Jamin:Yeah, I know. I was, I was a little in the beginning. I was, uh, you know, it was uncomfortable cuz writers don't, we're not actors. We're behind the scene. It's, it's weird for us to, uh, promote ourselves this way. That's not what we do. We're not act, That's what the actors we write for somebody else put them in front. So that was a hurdle for me to, I had to get over, you know?Dawn DeKeyser:How did you get over it?Michael Jamin:Um, you know, I I I'm always reminded of the Oscar Wild. There's a wonderful qu I think he said, but I'm not sure cause I can find it again. But he said you'd worry, I think he said you'd worry less about what other people thought. Think about you if you realized how little they did. Which works on two levels, which means they already think you're garbage. So what are you worried about? Or they're just, they're just thinking about themselves. And so, yeah, I just, at some point I was like, I screw it. If people wanna judge me, let, let them, they're, they're gonna forget about me anyway. I'm not on anyone's, you know, why does no one's staying up late to think about me .Dawn DeKeyser:Right, right. That's good to know. I mean, that's, that is liberating.Michael Jamin:Yeah. Yeah. You know, and I, I, I do actually, I've thought about it a lot and especially as a writer, cuz I started, you know, writing more like personal essays, more stuff about my life. And, um, and then I kind of realized that there's like a paradox about judge being about judgment and that, cause I, you know, I, I did this show and then I didn't want people to think like, my biggest fear would be to perform my work and have people think, Oh, this guy's not a good writer. You know? And to be a good writer, you have to expose yourself. Yeah. And that's the paradox. So if I don't want people to judge me, I have to put my, allow people to judge me. I have to make myself vulnerable so that they might judge me ironically. And if you do that, they ironically won't judge you. You know,Dawn DeKeyser:On your website you talk about vulnerable, being vulnerable. Yeah,Michael Jamin:Yeah,Dawn DeKeyser:Yeah. It's hard. It's hard because that's exactly right. You put your yourself out there, your heart and it can hurt.Michael Jamin:But to me, the bigger pain is having someone say, Oh, you can't write . So like, that would hurt harder . So I'd rather just ex be vulnerable. And that people Wow. Cuz people walk away, they go, Wow, how'd you do that? That was pretty brave. I'm like, whew. No, it would've been brave if I gone up there with my less than adequate work then, you kno

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On this episode we discuss an absolute homerun of a show in A League of Their Own, out now on Amazon Prime. Written and Starring Abbi Jacobson, this amazing show is not only filled with an outstanding cast; Abbi Jacobson, Chante Adams, D'Arcy Carden and Gbemisola Ikumel to name a few but also top notch writing. While this is not an exact copy of the 1992 movie starring Gina Davis, it does use it as a frame work for the characters and the time period to tell a much more poignant and inclusive story that has time develop over its 8 episode arc. Finally we discuss the 2nd season of Only Murders in the Building, out now on Hulu and our first impressions of Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon and Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power. You can now follow us on Instagram, @troyandtarawatchpod. Thanks for listening and stay tuned for more. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/troyandtarawatch/message

This special episode to commemorate the 50th anniversary of women FBI agents, features a lively and honest conversation with previous guests of FBI Retired Case File Review, Lauren Anderson, Judy Tyler, Gina Davis, Katherine Schweit, Jane Mason, Masayo Halpin, Julia Cowley, and Kathy Stearman.  These retired agents talk about normally taboo "women's issues" like biases and babies, and provide inspirational messages about being a female agent in the FBI.   Check out episode show notes, photos, and related articles. Buy me a coffee - https://www.buymeacoffee.com/JerriWilliams Join my Reader Team to get the FBI Reading Resource - Books about the FBI, written by FBI agents, the 20 clichés about the FBI Reality Checklist, and keep up to date on the FBI in books, TV, and movies via my monthly email. Join here. http://eepurl.com/dzCCmL  Jerri Williams is a retired FBI agent, author, and podcaster. Visit her website to learn about her books. https://jerriwilliams.com/books/  

We have never seen A League of Their Own!Mike and Gregg watch A League of Their Own for this first time ever. Mike has NO idea what this movie is about or who is in it which leads to some hilarious expectations. Gregg expresses some feelings about Tom Hanks that some might find controversial. After they watch this 90's baseball classic, their reaction is wildly different than what they expected. Join in on this week's episode of the Culture Gaps podcast to get some solid answers to some vital questions:Why is John Lovitz so amazing in this role?Is Tom Hanks boring, loveable, or both?Who is the worst character? Kit or Kit?

We start with the newest episode of Moon Knight. and we are getting a bit frustrated with it. Then our main course, Jeff Goldblum and his swag in the 1986 scifi horror film, "The Fly."Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/pressplaypodcast)

Happy Friday Gore Gang! It's officially April and this month's season is Creepin' It Real! We are covering all things creature, monster, sci-fi horror! To kick it off we are talking about the 1986 The Fly starring Jeff Goldblum and Gina Davis. This movie is icky, creepy, and absolutely fantastic! So pop some popcorn, grab a drink, get comfy, and join us as we discuss all the nitty gritty!

Gina Davis is the founder of Advocate Genetics and a co-founder of EM•POWER donation, an education company dedicated to empowering choice in embryo donation. I'm so honored to have her joining me today on The Egg Whisperer Show podcast! Gina is passionate about impacting the growing field of genetic counseling, and has worked tirelessly to train new genetic counselors, and provide a strong foundation for fertility patients. A former fertility patient herself, she understands the challenges patients face as they try to make sense of the rapid advancements in genetics and fertility medicine, and works hard to help doctors and patients make educated decisions about their options. In this discussion, we'll be talking about genetic counseling, how it impacts the fertility world, reasons to seek genetic counseling, and what to consider about genetic testing results. Do you have questions about IVF?Click here to join Dr. Aimee for The IVF Class. The next live class call is on Monday, April 11, 2022 at 4pm PST, where Dr. Aimee will explain IVF and there will be time to ask her your questions live on Zoom. Click to find The Egg Whisperer Show podcast on your favorite podcasting app.   Watch videos of Dr. Aimee answer Ask the Egg Whisperer Questions on YouTube.  Sign up for The Egg Whisperer newsletter to get updates   Dr. Aimee Eyvazzadeh is one of America's most well known fertility doctors. Her success rate at baby-making is what gives future parents hope when all hope is lost. She pioneered the TUSHY Method and BALLS Method to decrease your time to pregnancy. Learn more about the TUSHY Method and find a wealth of fertility resources at www.draimee.org.

Welcome back to Scene In Fifteen, where the best, worst, oldest, newest...whatever, movies get our special treatment. Have you watched the first fifteen minutes? Does it hold your attention? Will you Sleep this one? Well, this time, we did Penny Marshall's, A League Of Their Own, an older movie fitting perfectly with our Women's History Month theme. How did the Tom Hanks and Gina Davis led sports/comedy/drama perform? Only one way to find out, and Nashon and TJ got you covered! It's another great episode of your FAVORITE fifteen minute movies review podcast, Scene In Fifteen!

Wenn im Nachtprogramm nur ein Film wird, gibt es wohl besonders viel zu sagen und dafür haben wir uns wieder den Shane Black Kenner Nils Bothmann dazugeholt, der dieses dezent verkannte Werk aus dem Jahre 1996 genauestens einzuordnen weiß und mit uns klärt ob es sich heutzutage nochmal lohnt "Tödliche Weihnachten" mit Samuel L. Jacksons Lieblings Performance zu feiern. Folgt uns auf Twitter: https://twitter.com/nachtprogrammpc Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nachtprogrammpc Sergejs Letterbox https://letterboxd.com/SirJaySaeba/ Und besucht: https://www.actionfreunde.de/ https://liquid-love.de/forum/ Music Intro: https://www.purple-planet.com Weitere Soundeffekte: Timo Völker https://pfalzbote.de/musikproduktion/

Cutthroat Island war seiterzeit 1995 ein historischer Flop. Zu Recht? Manchmal bietet es sich an diese etwas vergessenen Blockbuster der 90er noch einmal zu besuchen. War der Film eventuell nur seiner Zeit voraus, und bietet für heutige Sehgewohnheiten erzählerische und inszenatorische Ansätze, die widerbelebt werden sollten? Dominik und Sergej haben den Tauchgang gewagt und versuchen in diesem versunkenen Schiff Gold zu finden...

In this episode we tear apart one of Jason's favorite movies of all time... Beetlejuice.  Does it hold up to what you remember or is the whole thing held together by Michael Keaton's masterful performance as the titular character... Beetlejuice. (that's three) See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Gina Davis is the founder of Advocate Genetics and a co-founder of EM•POWER donation, an education company dedicated to empowering choice in embryo donation. I'm so honored to have her joining me today on The Egg Whisperer Show podcast! Gina is passionate about impacting the growing field of genetic counseling, and has worked tirelessly to train new genetic counselors, and provide a strong foundation for fertility patients. A former fertility patient herself, she understands the challenges patients face as they try to make sense of the rapid advancements in genetics and fertility medicine, and works hard to help doctors and patients make educated decisions about their options. In this discussion, we'll be talking about genetic counseling, how it impacts the fertility world, reasons to seek genetic counseling, and what to consider about genetic testing results.   Follow on Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Subscribe to my YouTube channel for more fertility tips! Join Egg Whisperer School Subscribe to the newsletter to get updates   Dr. Aimee Eyvazzadeh is one of America's most well known fertility doctors. Her success rate at baby-making is what gives future parents hope when all hope is lost. She pioneered the TUSHY Method and BALLS Method to decrease your time to pregnancy. Learn more about the TUSHY Method and find a wealth of fertility resources at www.draimee.org.

This week we took aim at our favourite action movie scenes....................Bianca firstly gave us a background in the psychological effects of watching an action movie scene which explained why we are so in love with them. She also discussed some of the most expensive action movie scenes ever filmed (you would be very surprised what the most expensive one was!).  Bianca then discussed her favourite action movie scene which comes from the second Lord of the Rings Trilogy - the Two Towers. Bianca's favourite scene is the Battle of Helm's Deep also called the Battle of the Hornburg. This scene has been described as one of the greatest battle scenes in film history, combining technical mastery, sweeping spectacle, and tonal balance. Bianca agrees with this comment wholeheartedly!Amy was the meat in the sandwich this week and being the action movie lover that she is, was very excited about this topic. Amy's favourite action movie scene comes from the 1996 movie called The Long Kiss Goodnight which stars Gina Davis and Samuel L Jackson. The scene that she loves the most (she loves every scene in this movie) does feature the swear word most associated with Samuel L Jackson, however, he is not the one who utters it. Sarah wrapped up tonight's episode by discussing her favourite action movie scene which comes from the movie The Kingsman. Colin Firth is the star of Sarah's favourite scene which is set in a church with loads of action and violence. This led the girls on to a tangent where it was agreed that Colin Firth should be James Bond. Head on over to the blog: https://fridaynightwinefight.blogspot.com/ for accompanying content. If you have a topic you want us to take aim at, please hit us up at the links below:FacebookTwitterInstagramTumblrOr email us at - fridaynightwinefight@gmail.comTheme music by Joseph McDade https://josephmcdade.com/musicEpisode edited by AmySupport the show (https://www.buymeacoffee.com/fnwfpodcast)

It is reproductive rights and freedoms month and on the show today we have a discussion about donor anonymity. Joining us to talk about donor anonymity is Gina Davis, founder of advocate genetics, who is a multi-state licensed, board-certified genetic counselor who specializes in the field of reproductive medicine. EMPOWER website: https://empowerdonation.com Advocate Genetics: https://www.advocategenetics.com/ More information on these topics is at www.asrm.org Tell us your thoughts on the show by e-mailing asrm@asrm.org Please subscribe and rate the show on Apple podcasts ,Google Play, or wherever you get your podcasts. ASRM Today Series Podcasts are supported in part by the ASRM Corporate Member Council

Heritage sheep breeds, ink as the new souvenir sock skein, and Marsha's realization that she needs to get out of her basement are all on the agenda this week. Plus, a reminder that we have just over a month left of our Summer Spin In. Show notes with full transcript, photos, and links can be found in the podcast section of our shop website: TwoEwesFiberAdventures.com. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or Subscribe on Android or Subscribe on Google Podcasts Marsha's Projects Spinning the brown and green merino.  Atlas (Ravelry link) by Jared Flood using Navia Tradition. The pattern is also available at his website. I have completed the body to the armholes and almost completed the first sleeve. I've washed and blocked it to  see how it looks and to be able to measure the body. Kelly's Projects I'm continuing the Oxford spinning. I am still keeping my options open for a 3-ply where I'm more careful about the twist. I'd like the yarn to be more loosely plied than my 3-ply sample. I have almost three full bobbins of singles and plenty of fiber left. I carded about 400 grams. Here is the project page for this handspun. Information about Oxford fleece: Livestock Conservancy status is “watch.” Fewer than 2,500 annual registrations in the United States and an estimated global population less than 10,000.“ originated as the result of crossing Cotswolds and Hampshires. imported into America in 1846. one of the largest breeds of sheep and is only surpassed in body weight by the Lincoln. Not only does it lack uniformity in body type and size, but there is also considerable lack of uniformity in color markings and in the weight and quality of the fleece The new breed that we know as Oxford today is a bit smaller, only 200-250 pounds, a result of that push in the 1930s for a more compact animal followed by the resurgence of the older type. staple length, generally around 1-2”. remains rare in the United States, having been supplanted by the Suffolk. This situation is difficult to explain, as research has shown time and again that the Oxford excels as the sire of market lambs and the breed's overall profitability may be second to none. I've made good progress on the Dark Green Forest cardigan (Ravelry link) by Christina Körber-Reith. She also has the pattern at her website, Strickhauzeit. I'm using handspun 3-ply (fingering to sport weight) from a CVM (Romeldale) fleece that I overdyed. I've gotten down to the pockets. The sweater has a ribbed front band and honeycomb cable down the sleeve and on the pockets. It has saddle shoulder construction and a square “sailor” collar that also has ribbing.  Information about CVM sheep: status is “threatened” with fewer than 1,000 annual registrations in the United States and an estimated global population of less than 5,000. American fine wool breed, and the California Variegated Mutant, or CVM, is its multi-colored derivative. Romney-Rambouillet crosses were bred for several years and became known as Romeldales. colored lambs appeared in the Romeldale breed. Glen Eidman became interested in these sheep and linebred them for several generations Sheep breed resources: Livestock Conservancy, Oklahoma State Breeds Directory. Other Discussion  Marsha talks about mistakenly donating some of her favorite children's books by Bill Peet.  Ella Elephant, Jennifer and Josephine Great documentary on Netflix by the actress Geena Davis about equality in the media. Here is a link to the YouTube trailer of This Changes Everything. Pens--SF Pen Show August 27-29. Held about 35 miles south of SF in Redwood City,  Kelly and Robert will be there Saturday, August 28. Summer Spin In - Ends September 6th Just over a month to go! Prizes from Three Green Sisters Full Show Transcript Kelly 0:03 Hi, this is Marsha and this is Kelly. Marsha 0:05 We are the Two Ewes of Two Ewes Fiber Adventures. Thanks for stopping by. Kelly 0:10 You'll hear about knitting, spinning, dyeing, crocheting, and just about anything else we can think of as a way to play with string. Marsha 0:17 We blog and post show notes at to use fiber adventures.com. Kelly 0:22 And we invite you to join our Two Ewes Fiber Adventures group on Ravelry. I'm 1hundredprojects, Marsha 0:29 and I am betterinmotion. Kelly 0:31 We are both on Instagram and Ravelry. And we look forward to meeting you there. Both 0:36 Enjoy the episode. Marsha 0:43 Good morning, Kelly. Kelly 0:44 Good morning, Marsha. How are you? Marsha 0:46 I'm doing well. Kelly 0:47 Good. I want to ask you a question. Okay, so Marsha, what knitwear Are you wearing today? Marsha 0:55 Not a stitch? Kelly 0:57 Not a stitch of knitwear. Kelly 0:58 No. Kelly 0:59 Well, now, that actually makes sense. Because what season are we in here in the Northern Hemisphere? Marsha 1:07 High summer? Kelly 1:08 Yes. Marsha 1:10 And... but not where you are I take it, based on this question. Kelly 1:13 And I'm not complaining. I'm just providing you information.But I am currently wearing ...although probably some of it will come off. Marsha 1:23 Wait a minute, let me get a pen. I have to write this down. Kelly 1:25 So I'm currently wearing from head to toe... I'm currently wearing my Rikke hat. I'm wearing the Habitat sweater that I crocheted. And I'm wearing handknit socks. Marsha 1:40 Kelly Kelly, you need to book a flight ASAP to Seattle. Kelly 1:43 I heard that, that there's, you know, all this heat going on all around the country. And I feel bad for everyone who is you know, going through all the heat and the fires and, and, and then there's, you know, flooding. I hope that all of our listeners in Germany are okay, so I don't want to complain about my lot in life. But let me just provide you with some information. Anybody who's suffering from heat should come to Monterey County, because in the last month... I looked up the history in the last month, we've had two days above 70 degrees. Marsha 2:22 Oh, my goodness. Kelly 2:23 And guess how high we got in those two days above 70 degrees? Marsha 2:25 71? Kelly 2:29 Yes. And 72. Oh, my God, it was a heatwave. Yes. So yeah, we do have some higher temperatures coming. Next week, we get one... But by the time it gets here, the the prediction of these high temperatures almost always goes down by about four degrees, four or five degrees. So we have 80 predicted for Tuesday of next week. So we'll see if that happens. You'll have to check back. Good thing I have knitwear that's all I have to say. Marsha 3:06 It was interesting thinking about these changes in the weather because it's happening around the world and and some terrible, terrible things are happening. But that heatwave we had here in Seattle, where it was you know, 110? There's been many effects of it. I mean, people died. That's terrible. But I was listening to our local NPR station. And they were saying that over 50 people have become ill by eating shellfish. Because it got so hot. There's a bacteria that forms in shellfish in hot weather. People have been getting sick because the temperature is so high. They also lost a lot of oysters and other shellfish because they literally cooked in their shells because it was so hot. Kelly 3:59 Oh my gosh. Marsha 4:01 So it's really... There... that heat way we had is going to have a real impact on food production here in the Pacific Northwest, just those few days now. Kelly 4:12 Yeah, Marsha 4:14 It's really interesting the impact that Kelly 4:16 well, not just the shellfish. I know when we have had high temperatures here, they typically will come in, like in September, sometimes even as late as October. But when we get those high temperatures in September, we've had apples on the trees, and they're like applesauce. I mean, if you don't have the apples off the tree by that time, then after those couple days of you know, high 90s or mid 90s. Those apples are terrible. So I can imagine the impact that has had. Marsha 4:53 Well I wonder if this cool weather you're having is going to have an impact impact on production because you live in an agricultural country community, right. And they're kind of cool weather crops. Kelly 5:03 Yeah. Marsha 5:04 But this is awfully cool for them. Kelly 5:07 So we grow a lot of strawberries here. Lettuce is not having any problem. There are... there are more and more berry fields-- regular berries. And I don't know, I don't know if the lack of heat has has affected them at all. We have an apricot tree and a plum tree and the apricot are just now starting to get ripe, which I think is really late for apricots. I don't know because this tree hasn't produced very well in the past. So I don't know what its typical timing is like, but I seem to remember apricots being a more early summer fruit when I was a kid. We had an apricot tree when I was growing up. It's probably not super abnormal, honestly, for us to have this kind of weather here in Salinas. I mean, it's not-- I don't think it's normal, normal, but I don't think it's super abnormal. If I went back and looked at the history, I mean. I remember when I first moved here, I didn't take off a sweatshirt all summer long. It was-- I was freezing to death all the time. And that's kind of how I feel this year. And maybe I just like to complain! Well, and the house would be warmer if I closed the windows, but I have to have open windows in the summer. [laughing] And that's dumb because it's not warm outside. But that's just the way it is in summer you open the windows and sleep with the windows open. So anyway, yeah. Marsha 6:42 Okay, this leads me to something Kelly. Because we are...are we complaining? Kelly 6:49 No, Marsha 6:50 a little? Kelly 6:50 I'm not gonna... we're not... Marsha 6:54 just a tad. Anyway. So I I have something just I have something to say. So the last episode, I was walking Enzo and listening to the episode. And about halfway through the beginning before we got to any fiber stuff. I texted you. And my text was, Oh my gosh! Shut up about your basement! Marsha 7:24 And I was... I don't remember know what your response was. But anyway, I went back and it was like 10 minutes, Kelly, that I talked about my basement. As I was walking along my thought was first like, Oh my goodness, shut up about that basement! Nobody cares. And my second thought was, You need to get out of that basement. Kelly 7:44 Marsha, get a life! [laughing] Marsha 7:47 And so I'm here to announce. This is the last time I'm going to talk about my basement. It's not healthy. And I got out of my basement and I went last Tuesday or this... Tuesday of this week. This is Friday that we're recording this. Tuesday, I went up to Index, Washington and for people who are out of state, that's a small former mining town up on highway two. It's near-- on the way to Stevens Pass, which is you know, big mountain pass Kelly 8:17 And north on you right? Marsha 8:18 North of me. Yeah. And the reason I went up there is Ben, my son is working up there on and off during the summer. He met up... Well, I should back up and to say Index was originally a mining town. That's how it started. But now it's become a huge destination for climbers. And apparently it's world renowned, this area, for climbing. They have great rock. Like I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm just quoting Ben, because I'm not a climber. Kelly 8:49 Yeah, like what makes a great rock as opposed to just a rock? Marsha 8:55 So anyway, he goes up there and climbs. And there's a guy who lives here in Seattle who goes up there all the time and climbs. A guy named Richard. Apparently he bought a house up there, a small cabin. And so Ben has been going up and helping him fix it up, make it sort of... It's it's kind of rough. And so he's been helping him and so he goes up there for about five days at a time and then comes back. So I thought a nice outing would be to go see Ben in Index and do a hike. So I went up on Tuesday, I finally found Ben. That was kind of, well, I will, well... Do you want to hear the story about how I found Ben? Because he said to me, Index is really small. I have no idea what the population is. A tiny, tiny town and there's like two streets when you come into town. You can go left or you can go right and so he says, when you come into town you go left and you just go down to the--you know, keep going down the road and you'll see the house. I go into town. I go left. I can't find the house. I'm driving all the way almost to the end of the road, I'm now getting into Forest Service land. I'm going-- I go back. That can't be right, I go check again. So I go up and down this road about three times trying to find him and I finally gave up and thought, I'm just going to go walk the dog around the town and check it out. And then I'm going to go do my hike. And I was just getting ready to leave when I get a text from him because there's very poor, so there's no real cell service there. It's very hit or miss, I get a text like, I'm glad you're coming. You'll see the house. It has a whole bunch of free stuff out on the road. So I'm like, Okay, well, I'll go down this highway, you'll go left down this highway, which I did. And I finally see some free stuff by the side of the road. But it looks like it's been there for a long time, because there's like weeds kind of growing through it. And I don't see his car at that house. But I see there's like a driveway and kind of a long like alley kind of thing. And so I decided to go down that maybe the house is down that road. And I go down this little driveway and I see a guy working on a house or a garage or something and I just get out and I said, Are you Richard? And he said No, I'm not. And I said, Oh, I said. Well, do you have a minute to hear my story? And he's kind. He said, Yeah, I have a minute to hear your story. And so I said, Well, my son is up here working for a guy named Richard from Seattle who bought a house and I give a little story because there's a little story about how he got the house and who used to live in the house and how they got that person out of the house. And he says, Oh, I know that house. Because it's a tiny town anyway. You're probably ahead of me in the story. It's that when you come into town you turn right. Not Left. [laughing] Kelly 11:51 Right. Oh my god. Marsha 11:53 The details, right? Kelly 11:54 Yes. Marsha 11:55 So I go. Oh, I know. Yeah. So anyway, I and I, because I said to him, Well, it's a small enough town. I figured somebody would know the story. And he said yeah, I know the story. That was really funny. Anyway, I went back the correct direction, found Ben, immediately saw the house. We chatted for a little bit and then I went on my hike. So I did do a hike. So that was really nice to see. So this is the point of my story it's-- what's the phrase? Oh, the devils in the details? Kelly 12:27 Yes. Marsha 12:27 That's the phrase? Yeah, yeah. Kelly 12:30 Yeah. Well, I'm glad you got out of the basement, Marsha. Yeah. So it sounds like you had a nice a nice little outing. Marsha 12:37 Yeah, it was really nice. And it's beautiful up there. Really, really beautiful. And, yeah, so that's the last time that wore is going to cross my lips in this podcast Kelly 12:49 Ok, right! Good to know. Marsha 12:54 Let's see if I can do it now. Kelly 12:57 Oh, funny. Anyway, all right. Well, okay, since you aren't going to talk about the thing that will not be named. What about your projects? Marsha 13:09 Well, I...not a lot, well, not a huge amount to report. I've been spinning. So I have ... I'm almost done with a second bobbin of the brown for that brown and green that I'm making. Okay, and so I have one more bobbin that I need to spin and then I can ply that together. So I work on that in the afternoons. You know, sit out on my deck, and spin for a little bit. And so I'm making progress on it, but it's not, I'm not working on it exclusively. And then I do have progress to report though, on the Atlas pullover that I'm making for my brother and I have knit the body. Keep in mind though, I have not done the ribbing yet, because I did a provisional cast on. But I've knit up to the armholes and then set that aside. I did wash it though, and block it. Because as you know what we talked about the last episode, it looked like a holiday wreath, a big sausage tube kind of. So I did wash and block it and I can... now it's laying flat, so it'll be much easier to measure. And then I did a provisional cast on for the first sleeve. And I'm almost done with the first sleeve I have about 10... Let me look at my pattern. I have about six more rows. And then I will set the sleeve aside and start the second sleeve. So it's going pretty quickly. I think because it's on size seven needles. I find it's not really...maybe it's because I am normally working on three to five somewhere around... or socks or on ones. Yeah, I find it's a little more challenging to knit with. It's like, I've heard this before. Sometimes with larger needles and thicker yarn, like this is a worsted weight. You're a little harder on my hands and there's something about this yarn too. It's a little hard to knit with in the sense that it doesn't really slide along the needles very well. And it's interesting. Kelly 15:29 You have you have metal needles? Marsha 15:32 Yeah, right. Kelly 15:33 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Marsha 15:35 And it's much better. I'm doing okay, Kelly, I'm drawing a complete blank. What's the technique called where you have the long circular needle? Magic loop! Oh, my God. Okay, now I remember that. Magic loop. [laughing] I'm doing that and that's pretty easy. The body was I was kind of struggling with it. I finally put it on long a longer cable and it seemed easier, you know, having a longer cable for some reason. They seem like they slide it slid better along the needles. I don't know why that would be. Kelly 16:06 Well, maybe because they're just not so tight. I don't know. Marsha 16:09 Yeah, maybe. I don't know. It was interesting, too. This is, I don't think I mentioned this in the other episodes that the, I've mentioned, the name of the yarn is this Navia or Neyvia? tradition. But it's from the Faroe Islands. Oh, and I, which I had forgotten. And when I looked at the label, later on, I realized that and when I washed it, it kind of bloomed. It's still a woolly wool. You know, you definitely would want to wear this over like a flannel shirt or something. But it's, it feels a little softer having been washed. A lot of dye came out of this yarn, too. This is a bright green and a lot the water it just--the water was almost the color of the yarn. It really lost a lot of dye Kelly 16:58 Did it fade? Marsha 17:02 It didn't fade. It had excess dye. Which might affect the feel of the yarn.It had excess dye in there. So it feels it feels different. It's it's never gonna, I mean it's softer. It's never gonna be a soft yarn at all. Kelly 17:20 right Marsha 17:20 I mean, you're always gonna have to wear a shirt, you know, under this, but, and it kind of bloomed. It's very hairy, kind of. It's really it's really nice yarn. And I think it's gonna be super durable, too. Kelly 17:34 You'll have to put a picture in your project page, as I'm looking at your project page right now and you just have the wreath. I guess you'll need to take some more pictures now that it's been blocked and flattened. So you can actually see it's a sweater. Marsha 17:49 Yeah, I'll do that. And I'll put the sleeve in there too. I did think I was talking to Mark and we were talking about the sweater and I said this sweater is going to be the kind of sweater that you wear to the beach. You wear it when you work in the garden. I mean this is gonna be a working sweater. Just like, remember the sweater that you made for gardening at 90? Kelly 18:09 Yeah, Marsha 18:11 Yes. And I said to him, You cannot-- you not cannot save this sweater for something nice. Not, you know, I don't just mean to abuse it because you never abuse anything but it's not going to be a fine sweater that you save. You go out and you chop wood in this sweater. Actually it would be too hot chopping wood. You go sit outside Kelly 18:34 during Snowmageddon in this sweater. [laughing] Marsha 18:36 Yep. Anyway, no this--it's like it's a working sweater is what it is. Kelly 18:45 Yeah, nice. That'll be really nice. Anyway, looking forward to see to seeing it. Marsha 18:51 So that's all I really have to report. I've not picked up my socks and not picked up my simple shawl at all. So nothing to report on those. Kelly 18:57 All right. I had thought the last time we recorded that I would get the blanket finished. The Faye's Flower blanket, that Persian Tile Blanket, by the next episode because I wanted to be able to talk about it but I did not. I've been screaming along on my other project. So the sweater. The blanket is just still sitting with not very much left to do in terms of sewing it together but then quite a bit of edging to do but none of that happened so I probably shouldn't even be talking about it. But what I have done, worked a lot on, is the the sweater that I'm making out of handspun it's... The pattern for that sweater is called Dark Green Forest. And it's by Christina Korber-Rieth or Reith, I think is the way it's pronounced and it has that square... What did you call it? Sailor collar? Marsha 20:04 Mm hmm. Kelly 20:05 Which I think is the right way to describe it. Saddle shoulders with the cable. Anyway, I am all the way down to the pockets. In fact, I'm right now I'm working on it. I'm on the third of the honeycomb cables that goes down the pocket. So I think I have maybe... 2-4-6? I maybe have about six or eight more rows to go before the pockets are finished. Marsha 20:37 Wow! Kelly 20:37 I know! Yeah. I'm excited about how fast it's going. And so then once I finished the pocket... Its top down. So once I once I finished the pocket, or you know, the body down to the bottom of the pockets. I think there's a there's no ribbing at the bottom. I should have looked. Let me just check here. Yeah, there's the regular, you know, the the ribbing on the front band. Oh, yeah, there is a ribbing at the bottom of this sweater. So the pocket cables, open up into a ribbing. So that's all that will be left. Once I finished the pocket. All that will be left is the ribbing on this on this sweater. And then of course finishing the sleeves. Marsha 21:32 So I guess I'm not understanding. Are the pockets are knit separately and attached to the sewn on front of.. the front side of the sweater or is that pocket the front side and there's a piece in the back? Kelly 21:45 Yeah, I'll have to go in the back and make the back part of the pocket. Oh, you open up a slit. Marsha 21:54 And okay, I do have to say I have never made-- I've never made pockets before. Kelly 21:56 I haven't either. Well, no, that's not true. I made pockets in the orcas run sweater. That's the only sweater that I put pockets in. But I did make pockets there. I do have to talk about something odd in this pattern. Not, not bad. Just it cracks me up. I don't understand it. You do the colla, gotten done with the collar and the yoke, the yoke of the sweater, you're into the body. So you divide it for the sleeves, separated the body and the sleeves. And then you get into the step that's called "finish the body." Step six. So you do like three and a half inches under the... after the underarm after you split. And then it says, "set this aside and prepare the pocket edgings." And I thought well, that's weird, because the pockets aren't until you get to the bottom of the sweater. So I was confused about why you would do that. I read it like, I don't think I have to set this aside now and do the pocket edgings. So when I got to the place where I needed to put in the pockets, I went to do the pocket edgings the pocket edgings are literally four rows of ribbing that you then attach. You like split for the pocket. And then on the-- you put some of the stitches-- at the top, you put some of the stitches at the top of the pocket hole on waste yarn, and then the bottom of the pocket hole you attach this ribbing so that it kind of the ribbing kind of pokes up above where the hole of the pocket will be. Marsha 23:32 Mm hmm. Kelly 23:32 Why would you set aside your sweater at the armholes, do four rows of ribbing twice, then set them aside? If you're me, something that small could actually get lost doing it so much..so early. Like, I don't understand it! Marsha 23:53 because you don't need it for I mean, how many more inches? Kelly 23:55 For another like 12 inches? Or ten inches at the least. Marsha 24:00 I have a... I have a theory, okay. Maybe it's like, you know, when you're doing socks, you know, you do the ribbing and you do like top down, you do the ribbing. You do the ankles, you know the length of thing and then just as you're getting bored and sick of that you start doing the heel flap, maybe and then we and then when you get tired of all that detail of heel flap, turning the heel, the gusset Oh, you get to back go back to that mindless stuff. Kelly 24:27 Maybe it's to give you a break. Maybe. Yeah, maybe. My original thought was that it was to prevent you from you know, have you do it early so that you wouldn't just skip the pockets because you were afraid do you have enough yarn. But they're only four rows. I mean, this would not even get you... four little rows. This wouldn't even get you... this much yarn wouldn't even get you one round. Right? It wouldn't even get you all the way around the sweater. Marsha 24:56 Yeah, maybe it's a joke. Yeah. It's maybe the pattern designer thinks, You know what, I'm going to mess with you! Kelly 25:03 Yeah. She's messing with my mind. Because literally, that when you get to the body, you work three and a quarter inches like this. And this is for all sizes, you work three and a quarter inches after the armhole. You know, after separating. That's step 6A and finish the body. And step 6B is prepare pocket edgings. And then you go to Step 6C and that's when you do your shaping and knit for rows and rows and rows and rows and rows and rows and rows before you get to the pockets. It's a mystery. But, but I did them when I needed them put them on. They look great. Because I always like everything I knit, right?[laughing] It all looks great. So I'm really happy with this. I'm really happy with the progress. It's going really fast. Seems like it's going really fast. So yeah, I'm loving this handspun sweater it's going to be another one of those sweaters, I think, that gets a lot of that gets a lot of wear. Marsha 26:08 Mm hmm. Kelly 26:09 The only other thing I've been working on....Oh, let me just say a little bit about this. I will put some information in the show notes about the two different sheep breeds that I'm working with. Since it is the Summer Spin In. I put some information... But this is CVM. And that stands for California Variegated Mutant, which is the multicolored version of the Romeldale. Remember the judge Mark Eidman. I think his first name was Mark, Marsha 26:41 Who just passed away? Kelly 26:43 The one who passed away. It was his father who discovered some colored lambs that were appearing in his Romeldale flock, and instead of culling them they actually bred them for the color. And so that's where the California Variegated Mutant comes from. And I have a CVM fleece in the garage, it's a darker than this one, it's more of a, it's more of a dark gray. This one was more of a beige that I overdyed. But I really like it. It's not, you know, they call it a fine wool. I wouldn't say it's like, a super fine, at least not this one. It's not a super fine wool. It's a little it's a little more fine than like a Corriedale. It's gonna be a nice sweater, and I like CVM to spin. And then the other thing that I have been spinning is Oxford. And I have a little bit of information about the Oxford sheep also. They were imported into the US in the 1840s. And it says that it's one of the largest breeds of sheep, only surpassed by the Lincoln. Although this fleece was quite small. I think it was quite small. It's probably about five or six pounds. And that's I mean, if I when I bought a Lincoln fleece, they've been bigger than that. So skirted heavily, or maybe a smaller or younger Oxford sheep. I don't... it didn't say lamb, but it was in the market class, I'm pretty sure. Anyway. The staple length is one to two inches, which is true. That's what I'm finding in this, this fleece that I have. So it's one of the livestock Conservancy breeds as well as the CVM is also a livestock Conservancy breed. So... but I've been spinning that I'm, I'm on my third bobbin. I decided to spin all my singles first and then ply them, which I hardly ever do. But I still was kind of undecided. Remember, I talked last time about how the three ply seemed too tight. I mean, that's kind of silly, because I can just ply it more loosely. That's not a characteristic of three ply, so much as it is a characteristic of my spinning. So I'm still, I'm still debating whether I'll make a two ply or a three ply with this. But if I do a three ply, I want to experiment and, you know, ply it loosely. I don't want to ply this really, really tight. I want it to be kind of a fluffy, fluffy yarn. So I have enough bobbins, I think, that I can just spin the... well maybe not the rest of this, but I can at least spin four bobbins and then I can either ply three of them together or I can ply them two and two so I think that's what I'm planning to do is spin four bobbins and then decide whether I'm going to make a two ply or or three ply. So yeah, I'm I'm making good progress on that spinning, it's a little bit boring because it's a white. It's a white fleece. I think I'll dye the yarn when I'm done. Well, that's it for my projects, Marsha. I know that you aren't going to talk about a certain part of your house, but you were doing some cleaning out. And I have a question about that. So you posted on Instagram that you were taking two big garbage bags full of yarn to destash at the Goodwill. And I just thought it would be interesting to hear, like, how did you decide what you were going to get rid of? Marsha 30:42 Well, it actually was pretty easy. I'll tell you what I got rid of. It was spirit yarn that I got from the Goodwill. Kelly 30:50 Okay, Marsha 30:50 Those days when I would go to the Goodwill. I have used some of it. Like, for example, I remember I was getting all kinds of worsted weight yarns for that Afghan that I made that I used my dad's old sweater then took apart and combined it with other yarn. Kelly 31:09 Yeah. Marsha 31:10 So a lot of that worsted weight Goodwill yarn went into that. Kelly 31:14 Yeah, it wasn't that wasn't that blanket, like five pounds or something? I remember you weighed it. You went to the pet store or the vet. Yeah. [laughing] Marsha 31:19 Yeah. Yes. I went to the vet to use their scale. Because my scale wouldn't hold it. It wasn't big-- you know, the scale, my bathroom scale wasn't big enough to hold it. But I and then I still kept a lot of that worsted weight yarn that I got at the Goodwill because my plan was to make an afghan for my brother. And I'm still determined to do it. If I don't do it in the next couple of years, then I'm going to have to just get rid of that yarn. Kelly 31:47 Oh, okay. Marsha 31:48 And then a lot of it came from the destash room. So if Gayle and Charlene and Barb and Tracy are listening to this... Do you remember the first year we went to the knockers retreat? And I could not believe! I could not believe people were giving away yarn for free, I could not believe it. And I was like going in there and like, feeling guilty that I was taking it and they're all laughing at us because we-- I was sneaking in there Every time I left the room. Kelly 32:15 Every time you couldn't see Marsha it was like, Oh, where's Marsha? I bet she's in the destash room. Marsha 32:24 Well, here's my takeaway. There's a reason why all that yarn was at the Goodwill. And there's a reason why it was all in the destash room. But I was just, you know, I was so excited. And I had all these possibilities of things I was gonna make and how could anybody possibly get rid of it? It's so wonderful. And I have used a lot of it. I have to say I did use a lot of that yarn. Kelly 32:48 Yeah. Marsha 32:50 And there's some things I did. But I thought, you know, I've not used it in how many years? And I have so much yarn that I purchased at Stitches, and yarn crawls, and two trips to Scotland and a trip to Iceland. And I'd rather be knitting with that yarn, that I've invested money and it's beautiful yarn. Kelly 33:12 Yeah. Marsha 33:12 And so I thought it was pretty easy decision to make... to decide. But I did think it was funny people's reactions to the Instagram post about what I was getting rid of. Because one person's comment was, "Is it wrong that I'm trying to read the labels?" So funny. [laughing] And somebody also wanted to know what Goodwill I was dropping it off at, you know. And then it was interesting, on--because I have it set up when I post something on Instagram it posts to Facebook. And there was one woman that commented that-- I can't remember how she worried but basically, oh, that I've reached that age where? Because I think my comment in my post was-- and I was joking. I truly was joking when I said this-- I won't live long enough to knit all that yarn. She really thought.. like her response was, Oh, you've reached that age where... and that, you know, I'm preparing for my death by clearing out my house so that my heirs won't have to deal with it. And it's like, okay, I never--that is not what I was thinking at all.[laughing] That is not at all what I was thinking I don't consider myself to be that age. I just tried to lighten my load and I somebody else should have it. Kelly 34:35 Yeah, who who is this person? A friend? A friend would not consider you to be old! [laughing] Marsha 34:44 Anyway, so it was... that was amusing to me that comment because that's not how I see it. You know, I was really... I guess you have to be careful. what I think is funny is not what other people think! Kelly 34:56 Right? Marsha 34:57 Or some people think when I say things I think are funny, they take it literally like I'm preparing for my death. Kelly 35:04 Right, right. Well, thinking about the the feeling of being so excited about all the yarn at the destash room at the NoCKRs retreat and how there's a reason some things are in destash. I remember when I was doing the Master Gardener class and they started having, cutting, you know, cutting giveaways and seed giveaways, and they started encouraging us to bring things that we were...you know, bring cuttings and so they'll put stuff out in the patio, and oh my gosh, it was like, you had to be careful not to get elbowed in the ribs or, or knocked aside, when all these gardeners would just, like, practically make a run for the patio. And, I mean, honestly, it looked like a bunch of yard waste. [laughing] Marsha 36:02 Yeah, Kelly 36:02 You know, I mean, that's literally what it was, was people's yard waste. And, and, and I just... I was right in there, you know, getting excited and throwing elbows to get my thing that I needed. And then I found out about this cutting day that they had in Monterey and I went to that and I got some of that, you know, some of the stuff that people were giving away and when you plant it, you realize why they're giving it away. Like not not that they're getting rid of it out of their yard. Marsha 36:36 Mm hmm. Kelly 36:37 But the reason that they can give you all these cuttings is that it's super invasive and spreading all over, they have to dig it up every year to get rid of some of it. Like Alstroemeria was one of them that, you know, there was just always always somebody bringing Alstroemeria And anyway, I don't have to go into all the... Marsha 37:02 I have it in my alley. That alstromeria in the alley and is it just takes over you know, yeah, it takes over. Yeah. Kelly 37:09 Which is good in some settings, but, it's just kind of funny that it's the same, you know. Yeah, free plants. Destashing plants causes the same sort of frenzy. Marsha 37:23 The other thing I was gonna say about the NoCKRs retreat, and that was the first time I experienced that people are just giving this yarn away and my... But many of the attendees didn't even go in the room. Right? Or they went in the room to put their stuff there and they never went in, or they just go in there casually look. And, and I really, but now I understand. They were able to do because they have so much at home, but they could exercise restraint, probably because they had so much. Kelly 37:52 And maybe had done the same kind of clearing-- done the same thing. Marsha 37:56 Yeah. So I'm sure at the time, people were like, Oh, yes, she will learn. Kelly 38:02 Right, right Marsha 38:03 Give her a few years. And she will learn! Kelly 38:05 Yeah, everybody's at a little bit different, different stage in that in that process. Marsha 38:11 Yeah. But I will say though, I did order plastic boxes. Well, I should say I had all my yarn in, you know, these plastic like drawers. I got them at the Goodwill. And when my stash... and I had one and then a my stash got a little bigger and then I found another one, it got bigger. So they're all from the Goodwill. Anyway, I just pulled all the yarn out. And the stuff that I decided I was going to keep I just temporarily put it in paper bags labeled it and then I ordered plastic bins and those arrived actually just yesterday. And so last night I started putting my yarn in there and then I'm gonna be... because some of the...I will say some of the wool, one batch, like a sweater quantities worth of yarn, actually, I discovered had some moth damage. So I I just threw that in the garbage. And I didn't even give that away. I just threw it in the garbage. And then I... so I have cedar and lavender which I'm going to put in those bins to protect it somewhat. It'll be much easier to see what I have, too, because some of the bins were clear. Some of them that I had before, and some were not clear. It was in bags, it was just all kind of random. So now it's going to be much more organized and I can actually can see what I have, visually being able to see everything every time I go down into that place in the house because I can't say the word. Both 39:39 [laughing] Marsha 39:45 Oh no, I'll call it the cellar. There we go! When I go down to the cellar. I think then it it'll be reinforcement. No you don't need to buy anymore. I really don't need to buy any. So like I'm going to show up at NoCKRs... Kelly 39:58 We'll check back! Marsha 39:59 Yes, I'm going to show up at at Stitches when it happens again. And when Black Sheep happens again, I'm going to show up, but I am really going to try not to buy anything because I seriously have enough yarn. And it's a crime to just buy something and put it in your stash and not use it, I need to use it. It's not a crime, that's too harsh, right? Kelly 40:20 It's just, it would be nice to use it. if it's a crime. everyone listening to this is a criminal. [laughing] Marsha 40:29 That's true. That's too harsh. It's not a crime, but it'd be nice to knit with it, you know? So anyway, Kelly 40:36 And if you truly aren't going to knit with it ever, and you know, you're not going to ever get to it, then yes, it is. It's time to get rid of it. It's the whole, you know, I mean, that's what all those seed packets and cuttings represented. And that's what yarn in the destash room represents. It's like, hope and possibility. You know, I can... I mean, I still have that have that feeling about some yarn that's been sitting in my stash forever. And like, really? Is there still a possibility or a hope that I'm gonna use it? Um, yeah, maybe? Marsha 41:16 Yeah, I think that's hope. And I think also a lot of it, I was just inspired by it. Oh, just, you know, oh, this is... I have these ideas about what I was going to do with it. And it'll go to somebody else's idea. So, right. Well, and what about you? I see we have a note here about fiber books. Kelly 41:37 Yeah, I still...So there's the inside studio, it's been painted, there's a bookcase there now. Actually, yarn shelving that, you know, that was was put in. It's still not painted, but I've got my stuff on it. But the boxes of stuff that came out of there, I still haven't put away. They're still sitting in the living room. And I was looking at them the other day thinking, Okay, I've got to do something with this. And, you know, there's not enough room on the shelf, the shelf unit, to put the books and the yarn. So now I have to make decisions about about books and, and some of them are not knitting books. And those are going to be hard, hard decisions to make. But I have a whole box...probably box and a half maybe--of fiber books. And so I just have to figure out what I'm going to do with them and whether I'm going to destash them. What am I going to keep. Marsha 42:39 Do you look at them? Kelly 42:43 Some of them. Yes. Like, I know for sure I have the book. It's old. It's called Socks, Socks, Socks. And it's just a whole bunch of different sock patterns. I have. And I've made, I've made quite a few pairs of socks out of it. And then I used it a lot before I really was experienced knitting socks to know like, how many stitches should I cast on given the given the, you know, the height of the sock or the type of yarn, you know, I go and look at the cast ons for the different socks to know how many stitches I should cast on before I just kind of got to the point where I just know what to cast on. But I think I'll keep that one because because I've used it so much. And so there's not just there's not just useful information in there and patterns that I might use again, or patterns that I might use. But there's memories about my early knitting days connected to that book. So like that book, I'll keep but I bought, I bought two really nice hardback books by Nicky Epstein of edgings. So one is called like knitting on the edge. And the other one is called something else. So there's, there's two different types of edging, I can't remember now. There's, like edgings that are part of the garment and edgings that you add to the garment. It's kind of like a stitch dictionary, but of edgings. And they're beautiful books. I've never looked at either one of them past, you know, just like flipping through when I first bought it and then flipping through when I put it in the box to put it away. And will I ever really use that to create an edging on something? And probably not, you know, but then I think oh, but there's so many really cool things I could do. And then I keep them so... And they're really pretty books. Marsha 44:35 And they're so small and you have a big house. Kelly 44:37 Oh, they're not small. These books are not small. They're a lot more like coffee table Marsha 44:40 They're big and you have a big house. Kelly 44:43 They're more I mean, they really are like the coffee table. They're an odd size. Actually they don't fit on the bookshelf there. They're like legal size length. sideways. Like they're oh they're wider than they are tall. So they're an odd shape. They don't fit on the bookcase. So they'll probably end up going, but but you know, there's a lot of things kind of in between that spectrum of I'll definitely keep this and, and these books are pretty, but I will never use them. Marsha 45:17 Yeah. Kelly 45:18 And so I have to make some decisions there about what I'm going to do with them. So I kind of don't want to even open the boxes. Because I know I mean, I know that the number of books that I can actually keep on that shelf is, is small. And they've been in boxes for like, two years. Three years, maybe. Yeah, I haven't missed them. Yeah, right. So yeah. And then I have the other books. I have a box of dog books. Dog Training books, dog picture books, dog breed books from, you know, the, when we had labs and water spaniel, and, and there's just too much emotional connection to all that stuff that I know I don't really want to think about it, but I don't need it. I clearly don't need those books. They've been in a box for a really long time. There's been only a very few that I've dug into the box to get. Marsha 46:24 Yeah. Well, I mean, I in terms of books, I have cookbooks, you know, my cookbooks. and then combined with my mother's cookbooks, and I some were duplicates. So I got rid of duplicates, obviously. But... Kelly 46:39 And those are possibilities and hopes of what you could cook. Marsha 46:42 Exactly. And and I you know...But there's I don't know, like I...the truth is, honestly, there's just certain cookbooks, I make stuff out of all the time I go back to. The rest, I don't really look at that much. And then a lot of times I get inspiration. It's like, Oh, I have these ingredients. What can I make out of it? And I just do a little Google search. Right? And so I'm actually using the internet a lot more. Kelly 47:10 Yeah, Marsha 47:10 but I....ugh... someday. I'm not ready. Kelly 47:14 Right, right. Marsha 47:14 I'll go through them and get rid of things. Kelly 47:16 Yeah. But you have a...you have a bookcase for them. Right? They're all sitting on the shelves. Marsha 47:22 Yeah, they're all in the library. Kelly 47:25 I knew when I got rid of those shelves, that I was gonna have to get rid of a lot of books. And I did. But it's gonna take me several rounds of destashing to get rid of the number of books that I need to get rid of. Because they're just... there's... Yeah, there's some emotion attached to them. So... Marsha 47:45 Well. All in good time. Kelly 47:47 Yeah, yeah, that's true. That is true. The the closet behind me got cleaned out. I don't know if I was talking about that I wanted to do that. But the closet behind me here in the... where I record, the dressing room in the other bedroom? We got that cleaned out and I got it put back together, there's a lot of room in there now. I could put the boxes of books in there and not think about them for another three or four years. [laughing] And at which time that I might be ready to get rid of them. We'll see. Marsha 48:20 So I just... I just... as we're talking about this, I'm just thinking about emotional attachment to books. And I I've gotten rid of pretty much all of Ben's books that he had when he was a little kid you read to him and he had a lot of books because I worked in a bookstore, right? So I would just buy stuff, which I realize now in hindsight, I should have just gotten them from the library. But there were some books that I hung on to because I loved reading them to him so much. And all this whole series of books by the author Bill Peet. Do you know him? Kelly 48:53 That doesn't ring a bell, no. Marsha 48:56 Last name is P-e-e-t. And he was the author illustrator of these books. And I love the the art, the illustrations, I love them. And then the stories were great. Like there was-- Ella was one of them. And Ella was an elephant from the circus. And she she lives in... she was very pampered. And she got a little bit too big for her head and decided to to leave. Run away from the circus. So she runs away from the circus. And she gets captured by a farmer who realizes that this is really great to have this elephant you can work on the farm, to work on the farm. And it's a story basically, you know, sort of be grateful for what you have, because it's not necessarily greener on the other side. So there's that story. There's another one that we loved to read called is Jennifer and Josephine. And now I can't remember which one was which. I think Jennifer was a cat. And she lived in this old car. Kelly 49:57 Oh, I see the illustrations. I went to his website. And I'm looking at the illustrations, so cool. Marsha 50:02 Yeah, anyway, Jennifer and Josephine and I think Jennifer, as I say, was the cat. And Josephine was the car. And it's like an old Model T. The cat, this is her home, and some salesman comes and buys the car, and they throw some new tires on it. And Josephine is shocked that she's now being driven. She's been sitting for years in this junkyard, and the cat's distressed and driving crazy and the salesman is just a horrible person. He treats Josephine the car terrible, he doesn't realize the cat's in the car. And he crashes the the car, and it goes into the river. And so the cat goes and sees a farm, goes to the farm and gets... draws attention...A little girl, the farmer's daughter goes out and finds the car, tells the dad. The dad comes and gets the car and pulls the car out of the river. Saves the car, saves the cat. They're excited to have this cat now. And he's excited to have this car because he couldn't afford a car. So he he now fixes the car up and Josephine the car is super happy because she's never driven over 15 miles an hour. I don't know. They're such charming stories. He was so charming. Anyway, I'm going off on this, telling about these stories, about the this author Bill Peet but I used to read those to Ben all the time. And there was another one Lyle, Lyle Crocodile. Kelly 51:42 Oh, yeah. Marsha 51:42 I don't remember the author. But Lyle is a crocodile that lives in New York City in a bathtub in some family's apartment. And he's very erudite and and is a good conversationalist. And that people invite him to tea parties and cocktail parties and stuff. This crocodile. And we would read those all the time. And so when I moved, I had saved those books to come to the house. And there's bags of books to go to the Goodwill and of course, you're ahead of me. Mark took them all to the Goodwill. All the Bill Peet books are gone and Lyle, Lyle, Crocodile are gone. And I was devastated. I'm still kind of devastated by it. Now the reality is, am I ever going to read those books again? Probably not. Kelly 52:27 And some child is getting to read them. Marsha 52:30 Yes, exactly. Kelly 52:31 Which is what books should have. A book that's not being read is sad. Marsha 52:36 Yeah. Right. Kelly 52:37 I mean, I don't know if books actually feel sadness. But... Marsha 52:41 You know, anyway, they were just...Maybe what I should do is just go out and buy a copy of Ella and Jennifer and Josephine, because those were kind of my two favorite from that. Those books anyway, of that from that author, anyway, Kelly 52:55 Well, I'll put the pages in the show notes. Okay, because I was just looking at the pictures while you were talking. And they are. They are really cute. Very cute. Marsha 53:10 And since we're talking about it, since I was not planning on making a book recommendation, but I here's that that was a recommendation. I've been watching Netflix and working on Mark's sweater. And I watched a documentary the other day, which I just wanted to mention that because I thought it was really interesting. And it's called, people have probably heard of this. But if you haven't, it's called This Changes Everything. And it's a documentary made by the actress Gina Davis. It says here in 2004, Davis launched the Geena Davis Institute on Gender in Media, which works collaboratively with the entertainment industry to dramatically increase the presence of female characters and media. So this documentary talks about her, why she started this institute. And then different actresses' experiences female directors' experiences trying to make it in the film industry. And how most media are... a lot of the entertainment that we watch in the United States and around the world is coming out of Hollywood and how women are portrayed on film. And how... so it's it's an excellent documentary, and I highly recommend it. It's really good. I will say the one thing that sort of...At the end of the film...One of the things they talk about is how difficult it is for women directors to get jobs, directing films. And they actually have lists of when studios are going to make a film. They have lists of directors that they pass around that you know who's made it. This is who you want to consider first, this is who you would consider second. If none of those are are available, way down the bottom of the list are these, are the people you might want to consider. And one of the women--who is way, the only woman on the list--who was way down at the bottom was Kathryn Bigelow, who won an Academy Award for The Hurt Locker. So she's an Academy Award winning director, but she's at the bottom of the list, right? Because men are getting the these jobs. Anyway, this does not take away from how good the documentary is. But at the end, I'm reading the credits. And you know who directed the documentary? Kelly 55:24 A man? Marsha 55:25 Some guy named Tom! And I'm like, I'm sorry, what? Kelly 55:34 Oh, yeah. Marsha 55:36 Now, that doesn't take away from it really, because it was an excellent, excellent series or documentary. I recommend it because it really sort of opened your eyes to how women are portrayed in film and in television shows. And how many women who when they do get a chance, how much money they're making for the industry. Kelly 55:54 Yeah. Marsha 55:56 Interesting. You know, but they still selected the man. Not to take away from the man either right? He did a great job, but it's just humorous to me. But anyway, I'll put a link in there. Kelly 56:09 That'd be good. Marsha 56:10 What else we got going on here? Are you going anywhere at all? Or? Kelly 56:13 Well, in August, I am going to be at the San Francisco International Pen Show. Marsha 56:21 Yeah, who knew? Kelly 56:22 I know. Well, you know, they have a conference for everything. Marsha 56:28 Right. Mm hmm. Kelly 56:30 I'm sure that the pen people would be surprised that there's something called Stitches. Marsha 56:35 Yes. Right. Kelly 56:36 So I'm going to go check it out and see, see what that... see what that world is like. And I'll be there on the Saturday. It's in Redwood City, which is actually south of San Francisco. That's actually really nice. It's it'll be an even an easier drive to get there. But yeah, we're planning to-- planning to go and take a look at the the pens and if any of our listeners are going, also planning to go to the Pen Show I'd love to love to see you will have to let me know. Marsha 57:13 Say Kelly, pens don't take up very much space in your house! Kelly 57:17 Yeah. But you know, what's funny, is, you know, the the sock yarn skein that you buy the souvenir sockyarn? Apparently, in the pen world, the equivalent of that is ink. I saw an ink cupboard on Instagram yesterday. Like, oh my gosh, that is definitely more ink than you could use in a lifetime. I mean, because every time you you put your put ink in your pen, I don't know, three to five milliliters, I think. And these, you know, jars of ink are like 20 milliliters, 30 milliliters, some of them are like 70 milliliters. Marsha 58:06 Wow. Kelly 58:07 So definitely more ink than you could use. It's definitely an ink collection. As opposed to a stash of ink for use, I think. But yeah, you know, because you can buy a bottle of ink depending on the ink you can buy a bottle of ink for you know 10 bucks. Whereas a pen Marsha 58:26 Cheaper than... cheaper than yarn! Kelly 58:29 And, and then you know, some of the pens are some of the pens are quite inexpensive. Some Chinese fountain pens are quite inexpensive, they're you know, their pens, you definitely... you can get for under $20. But a lot of pens are more expensive than that. And so yeah, if you don't have... if you can't satisfy your collection urge by buying a pen, you can get a souvenir. You can get a souvenir bottle of ink wherever you go. So anyway, that's on my that's on my agenda for August. And I'm really looking forward. Really looking forward to it. Marsha 59:12 Yeah, it'll be fun. Kelly 59:15 It'll be interesting to see another, you know, another world. So another hobby world. Marsha 59:22 Mm hmm. Kelly 59:23 But my box of pens, my one cigar box that I converted into a pen box is full. And so I'm calling my collection complete. Marsha 59:34 But I happen to know that you have more than one cigar box. [laughing] Kelly 59:36 I do. Yes. And actually. Well and that Mark. Mark did yeah, I have three of them. So but only one of them has been outfitted to hold the pen so far. Yeah, but we did go to dinner with a work friend the other night and he gave me, he gave me a Chinese fountain pen that he had, like, Oh, this is really nice. And he's like, yeah, I think it was about five bucks. And I can't believe you bought this pen for only $5. He's like, why don't you take it? So, so in full confession, I do have one pen that doesn't fit in the box. So I could start a second box, but I will not do that anytime soon. So, but I might find something that I like at the pen show. We'll see. Yeah, yeah, I'll definitely bring home a souvenir bottle of ink Marsha 1:00:39 Well, I guess the last thing that we need to talk about Kelly is the summer spin in. Just to remind people it's going on. And it... we just have about a month to go before it ends. Labor Day, which is September sixth. We'll have some prizes from Three Green Sisters. And we'll have more details. But... Kelly 1:00:59 Yeah, and I have also some fiber from Sincere Sheep. That will be... I never took a picture of it and put it up on the thread. But I also bought some fiber from sincere sheep. That'll be our prize too. Marsha 1:01:11 Okay. All right. Yeah. So keep spinning. Yes. All right. Well have fun at the pen show! Well, I'll talk to you before that. Kelly 1:01:17 Yeah, it's not till the end of August. We'll record again. Marsha 1:01:19 Yeah. Yeah. Okay, well, then I will let you go so you can get out there and start spinning. Kelly 1:01:24 All right. Marsha 1:01:26 All righty. Kelly 1:01:26 Bye bye. Thank you so much for listening. To subscribe to the podcast visit Two Ewes Fiber Adventures dot com. Marsha 1:01:34 Join us on our adventures on Ravelry and Instagram. I am betterinmotion and Kelly is 1hundredprojects. Both 1:01:41 Until next time, we're the two ewes doing our part for world fleece. Transcribed by https://otter.ai

 Tim Burtons classic “Beetlejuice“ brought out excellent performances with the main star Michael Keaton but also the whole ensemble cast. Alec Baldwin is the nicest he's ever been in a movie and Gina Davis is as charming as ever… They just happen to be dead and haunting their old house that is being renovated but a bunch of snooty investors and interior designers. Trying everything they can to scare them out of the house to no avail. Now they must rely on the one bio exorcist to help them live in peace. Just don't say his name three times. Join us on another lesson in film on the newest episode of the Feature Film Academy --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

Today I have the pleasure of speaking with….Maya Grogel, Jennifer Vesbit and Gina Davis of Empower Donation. These are three women united, on a mission to normalize embryo donation as a family building option.  Together they have founded Empower Donation, an education company dedicated to increasing awareness, empowering choice and fostering understanding for everyone involved in embryo donation. Links for more resources Learn more about our guest: Em*Power Donation Learn more about our podcast: Fertility Cafe Learn more about our surrogacy and egg donation agency: Family Inceptions Learn more about independent surrogacy: Surrogacy Roadmap Documentary: One More Shot Support and Education Embryo Donation Support Advocate Genetics   Rate, Review, and Subscribe!  We would be honored if you took the time to rate and review our podcast! And of course, don’t forget to hit that Subscribe button to have new episodes delivered straight to your feed!

Welcome to Silence Your Phones - a movie review podcast. Each week, Chris Chavez and Shawn Fritz watch a movie and discuss aspects such as cast, acting, writing, music, special effects and more. Before you start listening, remember to Silence Your Phones. On this episode, Chris and Shawn continue the month of baseball with the 1992 comedic drama A League of Their Own. Starring Tom Hanks, Gina Davis, Rosie O’Donnell and Madonna, the film tells the story of how when many of the biggest names in baseball stepped up to serve their country during World War II, team owners looked to women to keep interest in the game alive. Find us on the web at BICBP-RADIO.CiOM And on social media Instagram ccchavez13 shawncv79 Twitter cchavezforreal

The gang leaves all the loose ends loose this week, as they review Under the Silver Lake (2018)Robert David Mitchell's follow up to It Follows (2014). Follow along with Sam (Andrew Garfield), the not so lovable protagonist, as he unlocks his inner gumshoe and tries to solves a myriad of mysteries in the modern noir mystery. What's in store for you, if you choose to follow along with is on Amazon Prime? Codebreaking, secret message in record lyrics, underground tunnels, whale cults, the Owl's kiss, dog killers, and so much more. Was it all too mysterious for the gang, Or does Under the Silver Lake belong right up beside Chinatown, in the noir genre? Listen along and find out. In News this week: Indiana Jones 5, Harrison Ford, Phoebe Waller-Bridge, Fleabag, James Bond, Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Martin Scorsese, Killers of the Flower Moon, Native Americans, Ellen Page, Elliot Page, Q'oianka Kilcher, Colin Farrell, A New World, The New World, Jesse Plemons, Leonardo DiCaprio, Robert DeNiro, Tyler's Rage, Star Trek, J.J. Abrams, Star Trek: The Next Generation, Star Wars, Star Trek: Discovery, Kalinda Vasquez, Steven Spielberg, Uwe Boll, River Phoenix, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Jim Carrey, Amelie, Life is Beautiful, Ponette, Snatch, Fight Club, Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, Jason Rogers, Man on the Moon, Children of Men, The Dark Knight Trilogy, The Prestige, Moon, Tree of Life, The Witch, The VVitch, Another Round, Cast Away, Die Hard: with a Vengeance, Hard Boiled, Bad Trip, Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole, After Hours, Kriti, The Phone Call, The Shape of Water, Paddington, Paddington 2, Win a Date with Tad Hamilton, Shrek 2, Invincible, The Boys, Rams, Iceland, croppie, Sam Neill, Pyscho Goreman, Holy Motors, Chinatown, Francis Ford Coppola, Roman Polanski, The Wait, Christian Slater, Stephen Dorff, Tara Reid, Alone in the Dark, Skin, Shadow in the Clouds, Chloe Grace Moretz, Jeff Goldblum, Damon Waynes, Gina Davis, Beetlejuice, Los Angeles, Idris Elba, George P. Cosmatos, Cobra, Leviathan, Rambo, First Blood, Kurt Russel, Sam Elliott, Bill Paxton, Michael Biehn, Powers Boothe, Billy Bob Thornton, Michael Rooker, Jason Priestley, Billy Zane, Thomas Haden Church, Adam Murphy, Bootleg Cinema, The Stepfather Email us at MCFCpodcast@gmail.com       Joseph Navarro    Pete Abeyta   and Tyler Noe       Streaming Picks:  Earth Girls are Easy - HBO Max, Youtube, Pluto TVBeserk: The Golden Age Arc 1 - The Egg of the King - Netflix, FunimationConcrete Cowboy - NetflixTombstone - Amazon Prime

Rob Leines es un tipo de los que firmaba más de 200 conciertos al año, con una mezcla de honky tonk y hard rock a golpe de Telecaster, hasta la llegada de la pandemia. Ahora publica el álbum Blood, Sweat and Beers, una suma de historias de carretera y trabajo duro que hoy abre TOMA UNO. Por fin, Forever Words, el proyecto iniciado hace tres años en el que un buen número de artistas han puesto música a escritos inéditos de Johnny Cash, se ha expandido lo suficiente y con el añadido de su cuarta ola ha completado las 34 canciones entre las que encontramos a Ronnie Dunn junto a Brad Paisley y su banda. La actitud de Shannon McNally está fuera de toda duda. Dedicarle un álbum como The Waylon Sessions al siempre recordado músico tejano y elegir temas del calibre de “Black Rose” que nos evoca a Gina Davis, es una prueba de fuego de la que ha salido claramente reforzada. Ashley Campbell ha grabado su segundo álbum, Something Lovely, en su sótano casero como un nuevo paso en una carrera esperanzadora. Canaan Smith viene desde Dillsboro, en Indiana, pero se mudó a Nashville hace una docena de años buscando un lugar en Music Row. Ahora con su nuevo álbum, High Country Sound, regresa a sus raíces inspirándose en el sonido propio de su estado natal. El pasado miércoles se cumplió un año de la muerte del enorme John Prine y el cantautor de folk Leon Majcen le rinde homenaje con "World Gone By". The Plott Hounds, con sede en Texas, trabajan mezclando Southern Rock, Funky Blues y tonalidades del Outlaw Country de antaño en su EP llamado The Cold Country Sessions con canciones como "Sometimes”. Jomo Edwards compuso "Self Quarantine", que entendió como una buena metáfora, para romper con alguien y ahora la incluye en su serie de vídeos Guy on a Buffalo junto a The Possum Posse. "Tumbling Down" es el segundo single de The Nashvillains, un trío formado por Troy Johnson, Brett Boyett y Scott Lindsey, que han trabajado en la capital de Tennessee como compositores y productores. No te los pierdas. Los Steel Woods, que se han rebelado contra la muerte de su socio fundador, Jason "Rowdy" Cope, y han decidido publicar su tercer álbum, All of Your Stones, en su memoria para mediados de mayo. Nosotros seguimos anticipando canciones como “Run On Ahead” antes de fijarnos en Deryl Dodd y su álbum Stronger Proof donde encontramos “Outside Lookin’ In” que es la canción más programada en las emisoras de Texas esta misma semana. Justo cuando Alan Jackson regresa tras seis años sin un nuevo disco. Se trata de Where Have You Gone" donde condensa su vuelta a las canciones del llamado real country. Escuchar audio

The Turtle Guys continue their discussion of devices that allow you to play Game Boy games on television, including a bizarre pair of peripherals designed for the Nintendo 64 and the PlayStation. Plus, Jeff and Nick take their first listener email as a challenge and play one of the best Gina Davis movie-based video games for the Game Gear.

“I’ve got your balls.” the immortal line from the film that nearly derailed the career of Gina Davis and did bankrupt a studio.It’s Cutthroat Island, the high adventure of swashes buckled and treasure….suckled…?This episode features AlexAustinMarisaand DavidOur theme music is Pretend by Malyssa Bellarosa

Scott and Gina Davis are founders of Dog Threads, a clothing line for dogs and their owners. In this episode, Gina tells us how she used her background in fashion to create a successful ecommerce brand that specialized in matching clothes for dog lovers. Listen to how she handles the designs, inventory, marketing and more. […] The post EU210: How Gina Davis Used Her Background in Fashion to Create a Dog Clothing Line appeared first on eCommerce Uncensored.

We discuss Ian's pick this week which was Tim Burton's Beetlejuice. But before we do that we have to discuss the first episode of Disney + and Marvel televisions mini series "The Falcon and The Winter Soldier."Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/pressplaypodcast)

This week, Richard brought A League of Their Own to the table. Will the All-Star cast lead by Gina Davis and Tom Hanks carry this movie to continued relevance in 2021? Listen to our review free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to audio! Check out our website: https://thevcrkids.com Get our Merch: https://bit.ly/2Z9XEmM Follow us on Twitter: @TheVCRKids

Happy Monday, Christmas fanatics! Get excited! Because this week, a true cinematic legend shows up in a film on the podcast for the very first time - Samuel L Jackson, who co-stars opposite Gina Davis in 1996's The Long Kiss Goodnight. The elves discuss the 90's action film from Shane Black, weigh in on whether it's a comedy or not, and debate its Christmassiness before bringing in some listener feedback! So settle in, relax, and enjoy this episode of Tis the Podcast that contains an extra dose of 1990's campiness this week! And make sure to keep your eyes on your podcast feeds this upcoming Thursday for the next chapter of Another Christmas Story as read to you by the host with the most - the one with the best voice, our very own Julia! 

It's showtime again at The Tape Store as we return to the Neitherworld to talk about Beetlejuice (1988). If you haven't listened to our first foray into one of our favorite 80s films, go check out Episode #11 of The Tape Store. This week we analyze the characters of the Maitlands (Alec Baldwin and Gina Davis), the Deetzes (Jeffrey Jones and Catherine O'Hara), Lydia (Winona Ryder), Otho (Glenn Shadix), and the man-in-stripes himself (Michael Keaton). What / who is the film actually about? Who are the protagonists? Is there a villain, and if so, who is it? Is Beetlejuice actually bad? Is there a message in this wonderfully outrageous film? Tune in as we answer all of these questions.

Part 1 of Dave and Ethan's interview with legendary guitarist and record producer Richard Bennett, who performed with Neil Diamond for seventeen years, has toured with Mark Knopfler since 1994, and recorded with Weird Al on his early recordings! (Oh yeah, he's also the brother of Jon "Bermuda" Schwartz!)In his career spanning over 50 years, Richard has worked with everyone from Billy Joel to Barbra Streisand, Ringo Starr to Emmylou Harris, Vince Gill and much more! Fans of Weird Al will recognize him as Bopcat Bennett on the Placebo EP version of "Happy Birthday," early demos, as well as first-album classics such as "I'll Be Mellow When I'm Dead."

We are a podcasting couple who loves to disagree about all things movie related and anything else that might spark in our crazy mind! Do you have a hate/ love relationship with your best friend/ partner? You will so relate to this podcast! This week we are covering A League of Their Own (1992). Our stream of consciousness style centers around women's professional sports, drunk degenerate Tom Hanks, and real life wonder woman Gina Davis! Thanks to Jake at Atthis music for the awesome jingle check him out on SoundCloud here: https://soundcloud.com/atthisbeats Share with us your thoughts! Did you like the podcast? Did you like the movie? Did you relate to something we said? We want to hear all about it! You can leave us a review or contact us: CinematicallyCorrect@gmail.com or on twitter/IG @CinematicallyC or join our Facebook group Cinematically Correct's Listener Group Come laugh with us and share your thoughts on the movie! And come back next Wednesday for

I killed you, Sorry for your loss. Beeeees like to fling Feceeeeeeeees! Let it Suck first. Same Schmidt, different Season. The Warmer it gets the Stickier it Gets. Gina Davis reprising her role as dead. The Young Lando Calrissian Chronicles. Shot in the B with the T. The future is full of packing peanuts. The Great American Podcast Bakeoff! Whose Hands on What Puppets. Lando: What Have We Here? The Fargo Cinematic Universe. Making Things Hewn From A Chunk Of A Tree With Bill. Major Spoilers and more on this episode of The Morning Stream.

I killed you, Sorry for your loss. Beeeees like to fling Feceeeeeeeees! Let it Suck first. Same Schmidt, different Season. The Warmer it gets the Stickier it Gets. Gina Davis reprising her role as dead. The Young Lando Calrissian Chronicles. Shot in the B with the T. The future is full of packing peanuts. The Great American Podcast Bakeoff! Whose Hands on What Puppets. Lando: What Have We Here? The Fargo Cinematic Universe. Making Things Hewn From A Chunk Of A Tree With Bill. Major Spoilers and more on this episode of The Morning Stream.

Gina Davis is a lead pastor's wife and mom to 3 boys (and 1 girl doggie!). On this episode of the podcast she shares how she supports and encourages her husband who battles depression and anxiety. I love her transparency and her heart. You're going to love this episode!  Connect with Gina Instagram -@GinaZDavis Resources We Mentioned Suffering: Gospel Hope When Life Doesn't Make Sense by Paul David Tripp (book) Daily Light Devotional (website) The Language of Flowers  (book) Burn the Ships - For King and Country   Join the Private Facebook Community The Pastor Wife Life group on Facebook is a private group just for you! We'd love to connect with you. Survey for Pastors' Wives I would love for you to take a few minutes and fill out the ANONYMOUS survey I created. Your answers will help me make the PWP better! Be A Guest on The Pastor Wife Life Go to the FAQ page to find out how you can be on an episode of the PWP. I promise - it's painless! Subscribe to The Pastor Wife Life The Pastor Wife Life on Apple Podcasts The Pastor Wife Life on Android The Pastor Wife Life on Spotify

Not that it doesn't TRY to be funny. With an all-star cast helmed by Jeff Goldblum, Ed Begley Jr., and a super-sexy Gina Davis, it should've worked at some level. But maybe the Du Pont Chemical Corporation just isn't cut out to produce films after all. Anyway, even if the laughs are groaners and come from the least-intended places, you could do worse for Halloween. We tend to appreciate this kind of Universal-movie-monster stuff this time of year a little better. Thanks, Vincent, for the request!

Who's hungry for some Good Ass Chicken?! Actress Aylya Marzolf brings her want to start an LA Food Truck + TV Show while your hosts Granison and Ali try to keep from Salivating the whole time! Together they dream up Gina Davis and Harrison Ford as the leads to this tasty sitcom ready for HBO! 

Who's hungry for some Good Ass Chicken?! Actress Aylya Marzolf brings her want to start an LA Food Truck + TV Show while your hosts Granison and Ali try to keep from Salivating the whole time! Together they dream up Gina Davis and Harrison Ford as the leads to this tasty sitcom ready for HBO! 

#336 - The gang grows toegether a little closer as we talk about David Cronenberg's horror classic, The Fly! Starring Jeff Goldblum, GIna Davis, John Getz, and Leslie Carlson.    HSF Rating Alex-6, Scott-5, Jeff-5  Please follow and contact us at the following locations: Patreon: http://patreon.com/hansshotfirst Facebook:Hans Shot First Twitter: http://twitter.com/hansshot1st Email: hansshotfirst@outlook.com iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hans-shot-first/id778071182 Google Play: https://play.google.com/music/m/I5q2th5tzsucvpzgmy3kmzgtd44?t=Hans_Shot_First iHeartRadio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/256-hans-shot-first-30934202/ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0ityvhlXhdtoXFJFOO1cvA

The digital broadcast from August 7th, 2020.

On today's show Mike and Anthony (and Anthony's dog Maisie) sit down to discuss what's new in the world of pop culture. Topics on today's episode: Paul Lynde, Billy Eichner, Fletch remake, Gina Davis, Eleanor and Park movie, wearing suits, Chasing Amy, Janeane Garofalo, Disney Cruises, Tim Allen, Back to the Future 3, Curb Your Enthusiasm, and much more! Follow @PCMCpod on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok.

Broadway star and Tony Award winning actor, Anthony Azizi, sits with America's Podcaster, Kurt Caceres. Born in Iran, but raised in Philadelphia, he lives in the the toughest demographic in Hollywood, that of the Suicide Bombing Terrorist, Allahu Akbar stereotype.  Born with the name Kamal, he has a Vin Diesel type, Italian Mobster essence, but had to change his name to Anthony because the industry only wanted him to run into large crowds and blow himself to pieces.  He had the honor of playing the first Gay character in the White House starring opposite Gina Davis in the hit show, Commander in Chief.  Hollywood has had a changing of the guard, but it's not quite what everyone thinks. XX Please Follow and Subscribe to the Podcast.  Email anytime to pr@provenanceroom.com X https://www.instagram.com/kurt_caceres/ X https://www.instagram.com/wyna.podcast/ X https://www.instagram.com/provenance_room/ X https://www.provenanceroom.com/wyna-podcast

We continue the Christmas Throwback Thursday movies with The Long Kiss Goodnight! The 1996 action-thriller starring Gina Davis and Samuel L. Jackson!

From the Hollow9ine Network, "Spotlight" is the Talk Radio Interview Podcast where we feature creative and interesting people telling their stories... In this edition, Dave "The Klone" interviews the prolific and piped-into-the-World-Wide-Web Gina Davis about her book “CyberDayze”. Living in a world made increasingly smaller by the connections of the internet brings with it all sorts of challenges and changes to the way we live, and Gina and Dave talk about how she covers this in her book. This discussion may just change the way you feel about your online existence…check it out. Check out more about “CyberDayze” at the website: https://www.cyberdayze.com/ Or watch a promo for the novel here: https://youtu.be/Z8m_kPU53ow http://hollow9ine.com E-mail: Hollow9inePodcast@gmail.com Follow: @Hollow9ineCast Visit our store on RedBubble!! http://www.redbubble.com/people/Hollow9ine Also make sure to check out FanGirlZone.com and The awesome animations of Felix Thoo: http://www.felixthoo.com/ https://vimeo.com/141305937

From the Hollow9ine Network, "Spotlight" is the Talk Radio Interview Podcast where we feature creative and interesting people telling their stories... In this edition, we hear the next installment of Dave "The Klone" interviewing the prolific and piped-into-the-World-Wide-Web Gina Davis about her book “CyberDayze”. Living in a world made increasingly smaller by the connections of the internet brings with it all sorts of challenges and changes to the way we live, and Gina and Dave talk about how she covers this in her book. This discussion may just change the way you feel about your online existence…check it out. Check out more about “CyberDayze” at the website: https://www.cyberdayze.com/ Or watch a promo for the novel here: https://youtu.be/Z8m_kPU53ow http://hollow9ine.com E-mail: Hollow9inePodcast@gmail.com Follow: @Hollow9ineCast Visit our store on RedBubble!! http://www.redbubble.com/people/Hollow9ine Also make sure to check out FanGirlZone.com and The awesome animations of Felix Thoo: http://www.felixthoo.com/ https://vimeo.com/141305937

From the Hollow9ine Network, "Spotlight" is the Talk Radio Interview Podcast where we feature creative and interesting people telling their stories... In this edition, we hear the third installment of Dave "The Klone" interviewing the prolific and piped-into-the-World-Wide-Web Gina Davis about her book “CyberDayze”. Living in a world made increasingly smaller by the connections of the internet brings with it all sorts of challenges and changes to the way we live, and Gina and Dave talk about how she covers this in her book. This discussion may just change the way you feel about your online existence…check it out. Check out more about “CyberDayze” at the website: https://www.cyberdayze.com/ Or watch a promo for the novel here: https://youtu.be/Z8m_kPU53ow http://hollow9ine.com E-mail: Hollow9inePodcast@gmail.com Follow: @Hollow9ineCast Visit our store on RedBubble!! http://www.redbubble.com/people/Hollow9ine Also make sure to check out FanGirlZone.com and The awesome animations of Felix Thoo: http://www.felixthoo.com/ https://vimeo.com/141305937

What number do you call when you want to reach Jeff Goldblum, Gina Davis, Ed Bagely Jr, Michael Richards, Jeffery Jones and Carol Cane? Why transylvania 6-5000 of course. Tune in as the crew explore this comedy funded by Dow Chemical. No really. Crew in the Room: Glenn, Angelique and Mark "The Movieman". Don't forget to check out our Patreon Page, subscribe to us on Itunes, twitter @specialmarkpro and @spoilerroompdcs. Email us at spoilerroom.smp@gmail.com

It's one nutty hospital! Dustin Hoffman tucks and dons the wig for an iconic performance as Dorothy Michaels/Michael Dorsey, a down on his luck, unemployable actor. The only problem: he falls in love with his co-star, who has no idea who he/she really is. What's funnier than a man in drag, right? This week, we examine the performances of a truly stellar cast (Jessica Lange! Bill Murray! Gina Davis!), question the reality of the situation, and dive in on how has this movie aged in the nearly 40 years since it was released. What kind of mother would we be if we didn't give our girls tits? Tips. It's tips.

We celebrate our 250th Episode with this cult classic from 1988 starring Julie Brown, Gina Davis and Jeff Goldblum's abs. Tune in as the Crew discuss the film that is a shiny pink windo into the 80s. Like totally! Fer Shure. Crew in the Room: Dawn, Glenn, Andrew and Mark "The Movieman". Don't forget to check out our Patreon Page, subscribe to us on Itunes, twitter @specialmarkpro and @spoilerroompdcs. Email us at spoilerroom.smp@gmail.com

www.Laf1production.com After 15 year old Jordan witnesses his dad's criminal activities and mother's self-destructive drug addiction tear their family apart, he begins his own journey with worldly temptations. He meets an array of new friends who try to inspire and support him along the way. However, a dramatic change comes after an arrest and a fatal accident that brings his world to its knees. https://www.amazon.com/Lost-Found-New-Beginning-Wilcox/dp/B07PYKG2BZ

Jackie, Molly and Holden are all about "sMothered", Gina Davis's archery skills and Kelly Ripa and Mark Consuelos keeping it spicy. Go to http://felixgrayglasses.com/page7 to protect your eyes today. Get 50% off your first year by visiting http://HoneyBook.com and using promo code PAGE7. Get your special extended 30-day free trial membership to Openfit when you text page7 to 303030. Get 20% off your purchase at http://wanderbeauty.com/page7 Aurea-Carmina, Rollin at 5, Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) L

Val meets some hairy bois, who immediately get the SoCal 80's makeover treatment. Goldbloom does his best goldbloom while blue glooming.  Oh, and surprise -- Damon Wayans is totally black, so he has to carry out a dance competition.If your ears aren't burning for more, we don't know how to reach your out-of-this-earth's-touch heart, Applauder.  But don't say we didn't blurp blop boo beep you first.Yeah, we speak alien. We took a class. Gina Davis taught it. It was nice.Have some feedback for us?  Email us at shockedandapplaud@gmail.com or visit these fine Web establishments:Become an Applauder with PatreonFacebook and Twitter updatesOur HomepageSupport the show

Val meets some hairy bois, who immediately get the SoCal 80's makeover treatment. Goldbloom does his best goldbloom while blue glooming. Oh, and surprise -- Damon Wayans is totally black, so he has to carry out a dance competition.If your ears aren't burning for more, we don't know how to reach your out-of-this-earth's-touch heart, Applauder. But don't say we didn't blurp blop boo beep you first.Yeah, we speak alien. We took a class. Gina Davis taught it. It was nice.Have some feedback for us? Email us at shockedandapplaud@gmail.com or visit these fine Web establishments:Become an Applauder with PatreonFacebook and Twitter updatesOur HomepageSupport the show (https://patreon.com/shockedandapplaud)

He's taken photographs of former President Clinton, he's spent five minutes with Gina Davis and taken more photographs of more NFL football games than most players have probably played. Meet Wesley Hitt, he has shaped how many people see the world and we were fortunate enough to spend some time with him. If you want more of this interview (because there is a lot more) go become a patron at www.patreon.com/Lookwhatidid Check out a sample of Wesley's work at www.hittphotography.com And as always, you can check out photos from our conversation with him at www.lookwhatidid.net   Subscribe today!!

Today is a recording of a panel discussion for Rising Tide Society on systems, automations, and workflows.. Thanks to HIllary Butler, Holly Whitfield, Gina Davis, & Rising Tide Society for making this episode possible! I hope this panel helps you create some systems and workflows that work for you! Special thanks to ARCH’d for the cover photo.   Links: Boomerang: https://www.boomeranggmail.com/ Hubspot: https://www.hubspot.com Cloudhq: https://www.cloudhq.net/g_suite Planoly: http://planoly.com/ Buffer: https://buffer.com/ Hootsuite: https://hootsuite.com/   Hillary Butler Fine Art: http://www.hillarybutler.com/ I Love Memphis Blog: http://ilovememphisblog.com/ Custom Growth Group: https://www.customgrowthgroup.com/ ARCH’d: https://getarchd.com/   To get 50% off your first year with Honeybook, go to positivelycreative.net/honeybook!   About The Positively Creative Podcast: The Positively Creative Podcast was created by Dorothy Collier, artist of Dorothy Art, for creative entrepreneurs. When Dorothy started having a positive outlook on every aspect of her life, including her art career, the creativity and opportunities started overflowing! Join her as she chats with other small business owners, discussing the ins and outs of how to run a creative business and how they make it in their respective fields. To learn more about The Positively Creative Podcast, visit our website or head over to our Patreon page! You can also find Dorothy on Instagram at @positivelycreativepodcast and @dorothyart!

The "Summer of Sci-Fi" continues with our review of the Chronenberg classic The Fly. An exercise in cinematic body horror, the fly takes the squirmy parts of our anatomy and its associations and full throttles it into a disquieting aesthetic. While Matt and Mark detail the fundamental scientific boundaries of true teleportation, we both agree Ronny played by Gina Davis is a full-on Physics Phd groupy. But how can she resist and acne-ridden Babe Ruth gorging totally cut Jeff Goldblum? Anyway, flies are gross and this movie does the species no favors.Download: 280 The Fly (1986)

Cutthroat Island may have been a record setting flop its director and star didn't want to be a part of, but…I can't think of a positive way to end this sentence. Yes, Cutthroat Island, the 90s action pirate movie high on explosions but low on "pirate-ness". It's the kind of painfully mediocre film made for us to sink our cutlasses into. Join the I Have Some Notes crew and guest Alyssa Nider as we stab deep into the heart of Gina Davis and Renny Harlin's first and last swash buckling blockbuster.

It's Halloween and to celebrate we summon the ghost with most BEETLEJUICE! Yes, the 1998 Tim Burton film starring Michael Keaton as the titular ghoul, as well as Gina Davis, Alec Baldwin, Winona Ryder and, yes, Robert Goulet. This movie blew our minds when we were kids, but how does it hold up today? Also is Beetlejuice the perfect allegory for Trump's America? Listen below to find out. Also, please Subscribe on iTunes or Stitcher. Also, follow us on Twitter. And please consider supporting our Patreon campaign. Special Thanks to our sponsors, Hello Fresh! To receive 50% off your first Hello Fresh box, use this code: REWATCH50   WARNING: this podcast contains strong language and immature subject matter, please be advised.  

This week, Eliyannah and Megan talk to Grey's Anatomy writer Kiley Donovan about going from assistant to writer overnight (i.e. 5 years). Also discussed: Gina Davis, our worst assistant experiences, and celebrating small victories while keeping your eyes on the prize.

Retired agent Gina Davis served 25 years with the FBI. She began her Bureau career on a Violent Crimes and Drug Trafficking Crimes Squad in Albany, New York. After a long term undercover assignment in the Baltimore Division, Gina Davis received a permanent transfer and continued to investigate drug and violent crimes, in addition to starting and serving as the acting supervisor of a Safe Streets Task Force operating out of Calverton, Maryland office. In this episode of FBI Retired Case File Review, Gina and Maryland State Trooper and homicide detective Ted Jones, a 10-year taskforce member, are interviewed about how the team solved a cold case murder of the execution-style shooting of three young women. The women's bodies were left in a secluded area off a rural route in Laurel, Maryland. Because the location was on federal land, the case was initially investigated by the U.S. Park Police and later assigned to the Safe Streets Taskforce. The taskforce was able to gather the evidence needed to charge the three men responsible for the murders. In 1999, Davis was promoted to a supervisory position at FBI Headquarters, managing FBI personnel stationed at Legal Attaches in U.S. embassies in countries around the world.  She was promoted again in 2001 and was assigned to the Seattle Division, Tacoma Resident Agency where she managed all investigative programs in the three offices under her purview. Gina Davis initiated both a Safe Streets Task Force and a Joint Terrorism Task Force during her six-year tenure in Tacoma. Her last assignment was in the FBI's Criminal Investigative Division (CID) where she served as Chief of Staff for the Assistant Director. 

This week the SequelQuest crew is taking taking part in a frightening experiment to discover what happens when you try to stretch out an iconic sci-fi/horror movie franchise to a third installment. Can you handle the madness of The Fly 3? Join Jeff, Justin, Jeramy and Adam in imagining a frightening sequel to David Cronenberg's 1986 film The Fly starring Jeff Goldbum and Gina Davis that strives to push beyond the 1988 Eric Stoltz continuation of the BrundleFly saga from The Fly 2. Will the Brundle family curse continue or will a whole new genetic code be mutated by ungodly scientific experimentation? Come along and jump in our "Pod" as we teleport your mind into our pitch for The Fly 3 now! Episode Note: This show was recorded during the summer before our long time co-host, Justin moved on from the podcast, so you're in for a real treat as the original SequelQuest gang gives you a fun-filled episode you won't want to miss. Credits: Intro Music Music: Do The Relapse by Domo Exit Music Music: You Be The Grudge by Domo Technical Producer: Jeramy Hubbard Social Media Producer: Adam Pope & Jeramy Hubbard Website: http://sequelquestpod.com Twitter: @ SQPod Instagram: @ SequelQuest Facebook: Sequelquest All rights to the individual Intellectual Properties discussed on SequelQuest are under the ownership of their respective current owners, no copyright infringement is intended.

Scott and concussed assassin A. Lee save The Long Kiss Goodnight. Gina Davis stars as the lady version of James Bond and/or Jason Bourne.

EPISODE 90-- We step back into the world of the SPOOKTEMBERTACULON for a second time with David Cronenberg's classic remake-- THE FLY. It's a good movie and we mostly spend our time talking about how gross the whole movie looks. Also, that Gina Davis, though.Follow us on Twitter @goldenagecruz and @kislingtwits. You can follow James on Instagram @kislingwhatsit. You can read James' ramblings at Gildedterror.blogspot.com. Check out Cruz' pilot on You Tube. It's called "They Live Together." E-mail us at AQualityInterruption@gmail.com. Donate to us at Patreon.com/Quality. Review us on iTunes. Tell a friend. Warn an enemy. . . BOO!

Mike, Adam, and Cal travel back to the 90’s to review Tom Hanks, Gina Davis, Madonna and many more in A LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN!! We do realize we probably should have Sydney in the studio for this one, and as you listen, you may hear why. Midnight Jury Episode 81

Mike, Adam, and Cal travel back to the 90’s to review Tom Hanks, Gina Davis, Madonna and many more in A LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN!! We do realize we probably should have Sydney in the studio for this one, and as you listen, you may hear why. Midnight Jury Episode 81

Episode 120 features Gina Davis who hails from Oakland, CA. She has a doctorate in clinical psychology and is working on getting licensed. She plans to start off gradually with a small private practice in psychotherapy. Gina is also a writer and film maker. She has a book, True Rock, scheduled to launch this fall. The book […]

We take a break from the schlock and bring you a great movie, and a favorite of both of ours.  Lets relive the 40s through the eyes of the 90s with Gina Davis and Tom Hanks.  It's A League of Their Own!  

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On this week's episode of Kickin & Streamin Podcast, Graham & Jocelyn review the Amazon Prime Video series 'A League of Their Own.' An adaptation of the 1992 Classic film directed by Penny Marshall, and starring Madonna, Gina Davis and Rosie O'Donnell. Graham & Jocelyn discuss the series in-depth, and agree that while the series has its own merits, it's not necessarily a faithful adaptation of the movie. Dive in to this conversation to listen to the full verdict by the two co-hosts. A condensed version of this episode is also available to watch on our YouTube channel. Please don't forget to subscribe for future episodes. If you like this episode, please rate us on your preferred podcast player, and subscribe for future episodes. Follow us on social media on Faceboook, Twitter, Instagram, and Pinterest. You can also support the show by checking out our Buy Me a Coffee page where you can choose to give a one-time tip, or becoming a monthly contributor. Finally, we'd like you to visit our merchandise store on Teespring where you can purchase our beautiful and stylish t-shirts, pullover, and mug.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/kickin-and-streamin-podcast/exclusive-content