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In this episode, Fred interviews Melissa Ferrer Civil - Inaugural Poet Laureate of Kansas City.   Learn more at:   https://melissaferrerand.com/   https://www.kcmo.gov/programs-initiatives/poet-laureate   About Melissa Ferrer Civil:   Melissa Ferrer Civil (&), (she/they), formerly known as Missy T. Ferrari, is a poet, performer, organizer, and educator living on unceded Kaw, Kansa, Kickapoo, and Oceti Sakowin lands (KCMO). Rooted in the practical and the possible, their spoken word poems and songs are mostly responses to the world around them and their own internal journey. Melissa is the founder of the arts and organizing event series A Nation In Exile.   Melissa received a Bachelor's Degree in both Creative Writing and Italian from The Florida State University. She has also received her Master's of Education with a specialization in Urban Education from Park University. She received her M.F.A. in Creative Writing from Randolph College. She was also long listed for the Palette Poetry 2021 Emerging Poet Prize. They are a Charlotte Street Studio Resident, a Chrysalis Institute Alumnus, and a Heartlandarts KC Fellow. Melissa Ferrer Civil is the inaugural Poet Laureate of Kansas City, Missouri.

David Jernigan 0:15Hello! Dr. Deb 0:16Hi there, sorry for all the confusion. David Jernigan 0:19Oh, no worries, you gotta love it, right? Dr. Deb 0:21Oh, I can’t hear you. David Jernigan 0:23No way, let’s see, my mic must be turned off? Dr. Deb 0:27Hang on, I think it’s me. Let’s see…Okay, let’s try now. David Jernigan 0:40Okay, can you hear me? Dr. Deb 0:42Yep, I can hear you now. David Jernigan 0:43Excellent, excellent. And, how are you today? Dr. Deb 0:48I am good, thank you. How about yourself? David Jernigan 0:50I’m good. Well, it’s good to finally meet you and get this thing rolling. Dr. Deb 0:56Yes, yes, I’m so sorry about that. David Jernigan 0:58That’s alright, that’s alright.So… Dr. Deb 1:01Yeah, go ahead. David Jernigan 1:03So, tell me about yourself before we get going. Dr. Deb 1:06Yeah, so I am a nurse practitioner. I’m also a naturopath. I have a practice here in Wisconsin. I’ve been treating Lyme for about 20 years, so I’m really excited to have this conversation and learn what you’re doing, because it’s so exciting and new. David Jernigan 1:21Well, thank you. Dr. Deb 1:22Yeah, so we treat a lot of chronic illness patients, do some anti-aging regenerative things as well, so… David Jernigan 1:30Yeah, I went to your website and saw you guys are killing it, looks like. Dr. Deb 1:35Yeah. David Jernigan 1:35Got a lot of good staff, it looks like. Dr. Deb 1:37Yeah, we’ve got great staff, great patients, busy practice. We have 5 practitioners, so we have about 15,000 patients in our practice right now. David Jernigan 1:46Well, excellent. Yeah. Excellent. Yeah, yeah.So, I’m excited for this discussion. Dr. Deb 1:53Good, me too. So I pre-recorded our intro, so we can just kind of dive right in, and I’ll just ask you to kind of introduce yourself a little bit, tell us a little bit about yourself, and, and then we can just dive right into it. David Jernigan 2:08All right. I’m Dr. David Jernigan, and I own the Biologic Center for Optimum Health in… Franklin, Tennessee, and I’ve been in practice for over 30 years. I shook Willie Bergdurfer’s hand, if anybody knows who that is. It’s kind of infamous now with some of the revelations that have happened about Lyme being a bioweapon and weaponized. But, you know, I’ve been doing this, probably longer than almost anybody that’s still in the business in the natural realm. It chose me. I did not choose Lyme. Matter of fact, there were many times in my career that I was like. You know, cancer’s easier because of the fact that everybody agrees, you know, what we’re dealing with. And in the 90s, it was a whole different reality, where nobody actually understood that you could have Lyme disease and not be coming from New England.You know, so I had actually the first documented case of a Lyme disease, CDC positive.Patient that had never left the state of Kansas before. So they couldn’t say that it wasn’t in Kansas, and so she had actually been, pregnant with… twin boys, and they were born CDC-positive as well, and so it is transmitted across the placenta we know.So, I, you know, the history of how I did all this was, in the 90s, probably 1996, probably, somewhere in there, 97. With this woman, you know, I… if you go into Robin’s pathology books from back then. Which we all used, medical doctors and everybody else studying. you know, there was basically a paragraph about Lyme disease, and on the national board tests, as you recall, it was probably like, what causes, or what is, bullseye rash associated with? And you’d had to guess Lyme disease, of course. Dr. Deb 4:07Female. David Jernigan 4:08But that was, you know, considered to be more a New England illness, and you would never see it anywhere else. But here was this woman. I knew… nothing about Lyme beyond what we had gotten taught in college, which was, like I say, next to nothing. And she would not let me stop feeding me information. I mean, you gotta remember, the internet wasn’t even hardly in existence in those years. I mean, it was brand new. It was supposed to be this information highway, and So I started purchasing, like a lot of doctors do even now, they start purchasing every kind of new supplement that’s supposed to work for bacteria. There was no product in those days that actually was Lyme-specific. I mean, nobody was really dealing with it naturally. It was always a pharmaceutical situation. Dr. Deb 5:04And a very short course at that. David Jernigan 5:06Yeah, 2 weeks of doxy and you’re cured, whether your symptoms are gone or not, which… she’d had the 2 weeks of doxy, and her symptoms and her son’s symptoms were not gone. And so, I absolutely just purchased everything I could find. Nothing would work. I mean, I could name names of products, and you would recognize them, because they’re still out there today. Dr. Deb 5:28Which is. David Jernigan 5:30Kind of a… A sad thing that natural medicine is still riding on these things that have the most marketing. Dr. Deb 5:37As opposed to sometimes the things that actually have the documented research. David Jernigan 5:42Behind it, and I am a doctor of chiropractic medicine, and I specialized all these years in chronic, incurable illnesses of all types. That may sound odd to a lot of people, but doctors of chiropractic medicine are trained just like a GP typically would be. The medical schools, as I understand it, got together, decades ago and said, wow, if all we did was… Crank out general practitioners for the next 10 years, we wouldn’t have still enough general practitioners to supply the demand. Dr. Deb 6:17Right. Everybody in medicine, in medical schools, wanted to be a specialist, because that’s where the money was, and it was… David Jernigan 6:24Easier, kind of, also, to… you know, just focus on one part of the body, and specialize in that. Dr. Deb 6:31Expert in that one area. David Jernigan 6:32So we all now have the same training. We all go through pre-med. We got a bachelor’s degree, I got my bachelor’s degree in nutrition, and through, Park University in Parkville, Missouri. And so, you know, when I ran out of options to purchase, I just used a technology that I developed, which was an advancement upon other technologies, but I called it bioresonance scanning. And I coined the term back in the 90s. It was a way to kind ofKind of like a sensitive test, you know, like you might. Dr. Deb 7:09I wouldn’t. David Jernigan 7:09Of applied kinesiology, then clinical kinesiology, then chiro plus kinesiology, then, you know, you can just keep going with all the advancements that were made. Well, this was an advancement upon those things, so… I developed… I was the first in… in… my known world of doctors to develop a way to detect adjunctively, obviously we can’t say it’s a primary diagnosis. Adjunctively detect the presence of a given specimen. So we could say, thus saith my test. It’s highly likely you have Borrelia burgdurferi. And, but I had to have the specimen on hand to be able to match what I call frequency matching to the specimen. Brand new concept in those days. And so I was able to detect whether or not my treatments were successful or not. This is something even now that’s really difficult for doctors, because antibody tests, even the most advanced ones, it’s still an antibody test. It’s still an immune response to an infection.And accurately, you know, some doctors will slam those tests, saying, well. That doesn’t mean you actually have the infection, that just means your body has seen it before, which is a correct statement, kind of. So being able to detect the presence, and even where in the body these infections are was a way huge advancement in the 90s, for sure it’s kind of funny, I think about a conference I went to, and cuz… I’m kind of jumping ahead. Because I ended up developing my own formula, just for this woman and her children, and it worked. And I was like, wow! Their symptoms were gone, all the blood tests came back negative. In those days, we were using the iGenX. Western blot, eventually. And the, what was called a Lyme urine antigen test. I don’t know if you remember that, because it… Only decades later did I meet, the owner of iGenX, Nick Harris. Dr. Deb 9:17Person. And I was like, whatever happened to the Luwat test? Because I took it off the market after a while. He said, honestly, we lost the antigen and couldn’t find it again. Oh, no. David Jernigan 9:27And so… but that was a brilliant test. It was the actual gold standard in those days. Again, the world… it can’t be understated how different the world was in the 90s. Dr. Deb 9:40Yeah. David Jernigan 9:41Towards natural medicine, even. Dr. Deb 9:44Oh, yeah. We think… we think it’s bad now, but, like, when I started, too, I started in the early 2000s, like, we were all hiding under the radar, like, you didn’t market, we would have never been on social media, we didn’t run ads, we didn’t do any. David Jernigan 10:00Right. Dr. Deb 10:01Because the medical boards were coming for us. David Jernigan 10:04Came after me. Dr. Deb 10:05Because I had the word Lime on my page, my website. David Jernigan 10:10You know, not saying that I treat Lyme. Dr. Deb 10:13Hmm? David Jernigan 10:13Yes Dr. Deb 10:15Just talking about mind. David Jernigan 10:16And it’s funny, because, once I had this formula, it was something… and I trained in Germany, in anthroposophical medicine, and they’ve been trained in herbal… making herbal extracts, making homeopathic remedies in the anthroposophical methodology, and I trained with the Hahnemann versions of homeopathy, which is just slightly different. Yeah. And, so I was well-versed with making some of my own formulas by that time. And so, it was really something that I wrote on the bottle, you know, and I had to call it something, so I called it Borreligin, which is still in existence, and it’s still a phenomenal herbal remedy right now. And to my knowledge, it’s the only frequency-matched herbal formula. Maybe still out there. Because unless you knew how to do my testing, the bioresonent scanning, there was no way to actually do frequency matching. Matter of fact, as a really famous herbalist attacked me online, saying, oh, none of these herbs will kill anything. And I’m like, that wasn’t what I was saying. I was saying, back in those days, I was saying, well, if… what would the body need to address these infections?You know, not, like, what’s gonna kill the infections for the body. Dr. Deb 11:38Right. David Jernigan 11:39Right? So it was a phenomenal way, but the LUAT test was amazing because what you’d do is you would give your treatment, like an MD would give an antibiotic for a week, ahead of time. Trying to increase the number of dead spirochetes showing up in your urine one day out of 3 days urine catch. So you’d wake up in the morning, you’d collect your urine 3 days in a row, and any one of those being positive is a positive. But it was a brilliant test because it wasn’t an antibody test. They were literally counting the number of dead pieces of Lyme bacteria in your urine. I mean, it was pretty irrefutable. So I had a grand slam on the… the Western blot on patients, and I’d also have a grand slam on the LUAT, and their medical doctors would say, oh, that doctor in the lab are probably in cahoots change some lab. Dr. Deb 12:38Of course. David Jernigan 12:39That come in. And I still see that today. You know, it’s like, oh my gosh, the better the tests are getting. There’s still a bias if you do your own research. Well, if you happen to be a doctor who loves research. And you’re a clinician, so you actually treat patients who’s gonna write the research study? Well, of course, the doctor who did the study, well, he’s biased, and I’m like, I still can’t influence lab tests. Well, lab tests aren’t everything. People scream over the internet at me. It’s like, well, a negative lab test doesn’t mean anything. I was like… I get that with the old Western blot testing. Dr. Deb 13:16Right. David Jernigan 13:16The more sensitive tests, which are very close to 100%, Sensitivity, and 100% specificity. So, meaning, like, they can… if you have the infection, they’re gonna find it. Dr. Deb 13:30They’ll find it, yeah. David Jernigan 13:31And if they… if you have the infection, they’re going to be able to tell you exactly 100% correctly what kind of infection it is. Back in those days, you couldn’t, you could just count the dead pieces, which was… Dr. Deb 13:43Yeah. David Jernigan 13:43Significant, but It’s funny, because when medicine does that, you know, mainstream medicine that’s backed by all the nice foundations who donate millions of dollars towards the research. Their negative tests are significant, but if you fund your own, Yours isn’t that significant. Dr. Deb 14:04Right, or what if we call something a seronegative autoimmune disease, like lupus or rheumatoid arthritis, because none of the tests are positive, but you have all the symptoms. Here, let me give you this $100,000 a year drug. David Jernigan 14:19Yeah. Dr. Deb 14:19And instead of looking for what might actually be causing the symptoms. That’s all okay, but what we do is not okay. David Jernigan 14:27Right. Yeah, it’s a double standard, and it’s getting better. I want to do… tell the world it is getting better. Some of the dinosaurs are retiring. Dr. Deb 14:36No. David Jernigan 14:37Way for people who are… Are more open-minded to new ideas. But, getting back to that woman, she… that formula that I made just for her and her son, I… She went online. Dr. Deb 14:54Which, I had never been on a news group. David Jernigan 14:58Not even sure I knew what one was, you know? Imagine, I’m kind of that dinosaur that… Cell phones were, like, these really big things with a big antenna sticking out of it, and… Dr. Deb 15:09Nope. David Jernigan 15:10So I thought I was pretty hot stuff, just that I actually had a computer software program that was running my front desk. And even then, it was an Apple IIe computer. Dr. Deb 15:21Right. David Jernigan 15:22Probably be pretty valuable right now if I’d kept it, but… Dr. Deb 15:25Mmm… David Jernigan 15:26It being an antique. But, suddenly people were calling my clinic, because the lady with the twin boys that was well was telling people on these research, I mean, these Lyme disease forums and boards online. And, I started going, oh my gosh, you know, as a doctor, it’s one thing to treat a person in your clinic, it’s a different thing to have your clinic name on the label. Like, we all do, Even now, and you’re supposed to write everything that’s on the label, and… all these guidelines, and I’m like, wow, I need to split this off. I mean, I def… I definitely want to help people, and this is… I was pretty excited about the results we were getting. Pre-treat… Pre-treatment and post-treatment. And, so… that’s where I developed, my nutraceutical business in the 90s called Journey Good Nutraceuticals. My advice to anybody thinking about doing the same thing, don’t put your last name on it. Dr. Deb 16:25– David Jernigan 16:25You know, because anytime negative anything comes out, there goes the Jernigan name, you know, the herbal, you know, there’s just all these, and especially nowadays, with all the bots that are just designed to slam natural medicine. Dr. Deb 16:38Yeah. David Jernigan 16:39And that is out there in a… and just ugly people. Dr. Deb 16:42Or should we just say, people with a different opinion? How’s that? David Jernigan 16:46Yeah. That are being less than supportive. Dr. Deb 16:49But. David Jernigan 16:51It was amazing, because by 1999, I presented my research, my first research, I’d never done research. This is what I would… I would say to a lot of people who go, my doctor did… I don’t know, my doctor doesn’t know what you’re doing, my doctor… I was like going, you know, most doctors don’t do research. They don’t publish anything. Their opinion is their opinion, but they don’t back it up in peer review, right? And so that’s what I always tried to do, was back it up in peer review and publish. And so, in 1999, I presented at the International Tick-Borne Diseases Conference in New York City. I’m telling you, it was like the country boy going to the city, you know, I got my… I got my suit on, and I looked all right, and my booth was wonderful, and all these different things, and it was just a big wake-up call.Because what we had demonstrated… let’s get back to the… and this was what I demonstrated with that first study. was that… A positive LUAC test, that Lyme urine antigen test for my Gen X, was a score of 32. Meaning, one of those 3 mornings urine had 32 pieces in the amount of urine they checked of deadline bacteria spirochetes. Okay? Okay. With antibiotic challenges, a highly positive was a score of 45. Dr. Deb 18:19Wow when I would give one dropper 3 times a day for a week. David Jernigan 18:24Ahead of time, and then do the person’s LUAT test, We were getting scores 100, 200… And at that point, we only had a couple, but we had a couple that were greater than 400. Yeah, dead pieces, where the lab just quits counting. They just said, somewhere over 400, right? Dr. Deb 18:45Yeah. David Jernigan 18:46Which, when the medical system at the conference, you know, I was the only natural doctor in the world that was… had any kind of proof of anything naturally that could outperform antibiotics. Can you imagine? Dr. Deb 18:59Yeah. And… David Jernigan 19:01They were just, oh my gosh, incredulous. They’re like, I’ve given the most… one guy came up to me, and to my face, and he goes, I’ve given the most aggressive antibiotic protocols And I’ve only seen one patient over 100. I was like, that makes this pretty significant, doesn’t it? But, it didn’t just, like, make us take off, because guess what? In Lyme world, if a pharmaceutical antibiotic made you feel horrible. That meant it was working. Dr. Deb 19:28That’s right. We used to, back in the day, if you didn’t herx. And had that horrible die-off reaction, for those of you who don’t know what a herx is, but if we didn’t make you herx, we weren’t doing our job right. David Jernigan 19:40You’re looking for your patients to feel horrible, and sometimes to the level of committing suicide. Dr. Deb 19:46Yes. David Jernigan 19:47So bad. Dr. Deb 19:48Yes. David Jernigan 19:49And I was the first doctor, I think, in the world to start screaming and hollering and saying, stop using the worsening of your patient’s symptoms as a guide to good treatment, because they’re… I wasn’t seeing it with my formulas. Because I was doing a comprehensive program of care. I think I was also one of the first doctors to say, we need to detoxify these people as we’re doing this. And you would sit there and say, well, sure you were. I was like, well, remember, there wasn’t a lot of communication. There wasn’t anybody on the internet saying, do this, do that. And, It was, it was interesting in those days. It was, how do you… How do you help the world heal from these things? That they don’t know they have. So later, I actually had a beautiful booth at a health… a big health expo in Texas, I remember, and I was like, you know, you spend a lot of money on the booth, and… Dr. Deb 20:43Yup. David Jernigan 20:43And you’re thinking about it because you’re funding the whole thing, you say, wow, if I only sell one case, I’ll at least cover my cost. Dr. Deb 20:51Yep. Yeah, you’re great. David Jernigan 20:52And I had this beautiful banner of, like, a blown-up tick’s mouth under microscope. You know those beautiful pictures of, like, all the barbs sticking out, and how they anchor themselves in your skin, and… And, thousand people walking by my booth, and they’re just like, keep walking, because they didn’t know they had Lyme. There was, like, and they had MS, maybe, but they don’t have Lyme, and so they just would keep walking. Nobody even knew. Why would I go to a conference in Texas? And I’m trying to say, no, guys, it’s everywhere. Dr. Deb 21:24Yeah. David Jernigan 21:24And… and everybody, you know, yes, you probably have this, you know, kind of thing. If you’re… if you… are chronically ill, almost, of any kind of way. You know, kind of trying to tell people this was… Again, in Robin’s pathology textbooks, one of the few things that it did tell you about Lyme was that it was called the Great… the New Great Imitator. Because it would imitate up to 200 or more different illnesses. So, it’s been an interesting journey, of… educating people, writing articles, but it was interesting, the lady who I first fixed, Laboratory verified, everything like that, symptoms went away, all that kind of fun stuff. Her children were fine, they’ve been fine for years now. When she went on the newsboards in the Lyme disease support groups, It created a war. Oh my goodness, it was like, how dare you? And, say that something natural might actually help, right? Dr. Deb 22:30Right, exactly. David Jernigan 22:32And, I even had… A… one of those first calls to… with a marketing company at one point, way a long time ago. And the lady got on the phone, the owner of the marketing company goes, I would have blood on my hands if I actually took your clinic on. Yeah, you can’t treat Lyme disease, and… Even the big, big associations that are out there are still largely that way. I mean, they’re getting better, but it’s just like… you know, a lot of the times, it’s herbs are good. Herbs will help. Good, you know, but they’re safe. So, it’s still a challenge to… to… present in mainstream Lyme communities, even. Because there’s this… Fear of doing anything outside of antibiotics. Dr. Deb 23:32Yeah, so let me ask you this. From your perspective. Why do you think so many chronic infections exist these days, like Lyme and the co-infections, Babesia, Bartonella, mold illness? And we talked a little bit about herbs and why they, antibiotics and things like that fail, but let’s talk a little bit about that. David Jernigan 23:53So, it’s fascinating. When I trained in Germany, they said that we, as humanity, has moved away from what they called the inflammatory diseases. You know, in the old days, it was. Lots of high fevers, purulent, pus-generating bacterial infections. And I said, as a society, we have… Dr. Deb 24:14Have shifted from those to what they call cold sclerotic diseases, which are your… David Jernigan 24:21Cancers, your diabetes, your atherosclerosis, your… and they said, we’re starting to see what used to only be geriatric diseases in our children. That’s how bad it’s gotten. We have suppressed fevers, we don’t… we don’t respect the wisdom of the human body. So, you know, the doctors say, step aside, body, I will fix this infection for you with this antibiotic. And so, what we’ve done with the, overuse of antibiotics, and this isn’t me just talking from a natural perspective, this is… Right, it’s everybody around the world is acknowledging. I’ll show you… I could show you a, a presentation, if we can do a screen-sharing situation. Yeah. About the antibiotic situation in the world, because it’s really concerning. But what I would say, and kind of like an advancement forward, is we are seeing mutated bacteria. You know, they talked about… do you remember when they found the Iceman, you know, the… You know, the prehistoric guy that’s… In the eyes, and he had Lyme bacteria. I was like, he had spirochetes, maybe. Dr. Deb 25:33Yeah. David Jernigan 25:33That isn’t a modified, mutated version. That’s just maybe the… Lyme… you know, Borrelia… call it Borrelia something, you know, it’s a spirochete, but what we’re dealing with today. Even under strep or staph, as you know, you know, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, you name it, whatever kind of infection a person has is not the same bacteria that your grandparents dealt with. Dr. Deb 26:01That’s right. David Jernigan 26:32It’s a much mutated, stronger, more resistant to treatment type of thing. So, I think that’s one reason. I think the, It’s great that we’re seeing, you know, Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. bringing awareness to things that Like it or not, yeah, seed oils do create inflammation, and everyone in the natural realm, as you know. Has been trying to say this for probably how long? Dr. Deb 26:35Yeah, 25, 30 years. 20 years each. David Jernigan 26:48Yes. You know, thank goodness for people like Sally Fallon and her beautiful book, Nourishing Traditions, that started you know, Dr. Bernard Jensen’s books way back in the day, Dr. Christopher’s books way back in the day. Dr. Deb 26:48Damn. David Jernigan 26:49You know, all of them were way ahead of their time, saying, by the way, your margarine is only missing one ingredient from being axle grease. Dr. Deb 26:58Yeah. David Jernigan 26:58I think that was Dr. Jensen saying that at one point, probably 50, 60 years ago, I don’t know. Dr. Deb 27:03Yep. David Jernigan 27:04So, we’ve created this monster. We, we live in a very controlled environment, you know, of 72, 74 degrees at all times, we don’t sweat, we don’t have to work that hard, typically. You know, most of us aren’t out there like our ancestors were, so that’s making us more and more… Move towards the cold sclerotic diseases, of which even Lyme disease is, you know, which… Yes, it has inflammation, yes, but as a presentation, it’s very often associated with some of these Cold sclerotic diseases of mankind that we see now. Dr. Deb 27:46You have it. David Jernigan 27:47Yeah. Dr. Deb 27:48So, tell me, what is phage therapy? David Jernigan 27:52Well, may I show you a cool video? Dr. Deb 27:55Yeah, I’d love that. David Jernigan 27:56I did not make this video, this is just one of my favorites, because it’s from the National Institute of Health. Let’s see if I can just… Click the share screen thing. And get that to pop up. That’s not what I’m looking for, but it’s gonna be soon. Let’s go here… Alright, can you see that? Dr. Deb 28:18Yeah. David Jernigan 28:19Okay. Modern medicine faces a serious problem. Thanks in part to overuse and misuse of antibiotics, many bacteria are gaining resistance to our most common cures. Researchers are probing possible alternatives to antibiotics, including phages. So, bacteriophages, or we like to call them phages for short, are naturally occurring viruses that infect and kill bacteria. The basic structure consists of a head, a sheath, and tail fibers. The tail fibers are what mediate attachment to the bacterial cell. The DNA stored in the head will then travel down the sheath and be injected inside the cell. Once inside the cell, the phage will hijack the cellular machinery to make many copies of itself. Lastly, the newly assembled phages burst forth from the bacterium, which resets their phage life cycle and kills the bacterium in the process. Someday, healthcare providers may be able to treat MRSA and other stubborn bacterial infections using a mixture of phages, or a phage cocktail process would be first to identify what the pathogen is that’s causing the infection. So the bacterium is isolated and is characterized. And then there’s a need to select a phage in a process known as screening of phage that are either present in a repository or in a so-called phage library. That allows for many of the phages to be evaluated for effectiveness against that isolated I don’t know, bacterium. Phages were first discovered over 100 years ago by a French-Canadian named Felice Derrell. They initially gained popularity in Eastern Europe, however, Western countries largely abandoned phages in favor of antibiotics, which were better understood and easier to produce in large quantities. Now, with bacteria like these gaining resistance to antibiotics, phage research is gaining momentum in the United States once again. NIAID recently partnered with other government agencies to host a phage workshop, where researchers from NIH, FTA, the commercial sector, and academia gathered to discuss recent progress. NIH… So… That is… That is what phage therapy in… is. in what I call conventional phage. Let’s see, how do I get out of the share screen? Hope you already don’t see it. Dr. Deb 30:58Yep, at the top, there should just be a button. David Jernigan 31:00I don’t. Dr. Deb 31:00Stop sharing, yeah. David Jernigan 31:01So… Conventional phage therapy, as you just saw, is a lot like what it is that we’re doing, only the difference is they’re taking wild phages from the environment. They’re finding phages anywhere there’s, like, a lot of bacteria. And then they isolate those phages, and like he said, the gentleman at the very end said we put them in a library, and so there are banks of phages that they can actually now use, and One of the largest banks that I know of has about 700 different bacteriophages, or phages. In their bank that they can pull from. Dr. Deb 31:43Wow. Do you want to take a guess? David Jernigan 31:46How many bacteriophages they’ve identified are in the human gut, on average? Dr. Deb 31:52Oh my god, there’s gotta be more… David Jernigan 31:53Kinds, different kinds of phages, how many? Dr. Deb 31:56There’s gotta be millions. David Jernigan 31:57Well… In population, there’s… humongous numbers, numbers probably well beyond the trillions, okay? Hundreds of trillions, quadrillions, maybe, even. But in the gut, a recent peer-reviewed journal article said that there were 32,242 different types of bacteriophages that live naturally in your intestines, your gut. Dr. Deb 32:25Boom. David Jernigan 32:2632,000. Okay, so… If you read any article on phage therapy that’s in peer review, almost every single one in the very first paragraph, they use the same sentence. They go, Phages are ubiquitous in nature. They’re ubiquitous in nature. So my brain, when I find… when all this finally clicked together, and when we clicked together 5 years into my research, I could not get it to work for 5 years. I just kept going. But that sentence really got me going. I was, like, going, you know. If you look at what ubiquitous means, it says if Phages were the size of grains of sand. Like sand on the beach. They would completely cover the earth and be 50 miles deep. How crazy is that? Dr. Deb 33:24Wow. David Jernigan 33:25That’s how many phages are on the planet. There’s so many… they outnumber every species collectively on the planet. So, it’s an impossibility in my mind. I went, huh, it’s an impossibility that… You catching a, a sterile Bacteria, it’s almost an impossibility. Since the beginning of time, phages have been needing to use a reproductive host. And it’s very specific, so every kind of bacteria has its own kind of phage it uses as a reproductive host. Because phages are… and this is a clarification I want to make for people. just like in the old days, we were talking about the 90s, I talked to a veterinarian that had gotten in trouble with the veterinary board in her state. Dr. Deb 34:14Back in the old days. David Jernigan 34:16Because she gave dogs probiotics. And the board thought she was giving the dogs an infection so that she could treat them and make money off of the subsequent infection. Dr. Deb 34:28Oh my god. David Jernigan 34:29Nobody actually had heard of good, friendly bacteria in the veterinary world, I guess she said she had gotten in trouble, and she had to defend herself, that, no, I’m giving friendly, benevolent, beneficial bacteria. Okay, to these animals, and getting good results.So, phages… Are friendly, benevolent, beneficial viruses. That live in your body, but they only will infect a certain type of bacteria. So… What that means is if you have staff.Aureus, you know, Staphylococcus aureus bacteria. That bacteria has its own kind of phage that infects it called a staph aureus phage. E. coli has an E. coli phage. Each type of E. coli has its own phage, so Borrelia burgdurferi has its own Borrelia burgdurferi type of phage, whereas Borrelia miyamotoi alright? Or any of the other Borrelia species, or the Bartonella species, or the… you just keep going, and Moses has its own type of phage that only will infect that type of bacteria. So that’s… You know, when you realize, wow, why are we going to the environment Was my thought. Dr. Deb 35:54Yeah. David Jernigan 34:55Trying to find wild phages and put them into your body, and hopefully they go and do what you want them to do. What if we could trigger the phages themselves that live in your body to, instead of just farming that bacteria that it uses as a host, because what I mean by farming is the phages will only kill 40% of that population of bacteria a day. Dr. Deb 36:20Wow. David Jernigan 36:20And then they send out a signal to all the other phages saying, stop killing! Dr. Deb 36:24It’s like. David Jernigan 36:2560% of the bacteria population left to be breeding stock. It’s kind of like the farmer, the rancher, who… he doesn’t send his whole herd to the butcher. Dr. Deb 36:35Right. David Jernigan 36:36Just to, you know, he keeps his breeding stock. He sends the rest, right? So, the phages will kill 40% of the population every day, just in their reproduction process. Because once there’s so many, as you saw in the video, once the phage lands on top of the bacteria, injects its genetic material into the bacteria, that bacteria genetic engine starts cranking out up to 5,200 phages per bacteria. Dr. Deb 37:06I don’t know who counted all those… David Jernigan 37:08Inside of a bacteria, but some scientists peer-reviewed it and put it out there. that ruptures, and it literally looks like a grenade goes off inside of the bacteria. I wish I’d remembered to bring that video of a phage killing a bacteria, but it just goes, oof. And it’s just a cloud of dust. So, you’re breaking apart a lot of those different toxins and things. So… That’s… That was the impetus to me creating what I did. That and the fact that I looked it up, and I found out that phages will sometimes go… Crazy. I don’t know how to say it. Wiping out 100% of their host. And it could be a trigger, like change in the body’s pH levels, it could be electromagnetically done, you know, like, there’s been documentation of… I think it was, 50 Hz, electricity. Triggering one kind of phage to go… Crazy and annihilate its host population. There’s other ways, but I was, like, going, none of those fit me, you know? It’s not like I’m gonna shock somebody with a… Jumper cable or something to try to get phages to… to do that kind of thing. But the fact that it could be done, they can be triggered, they can switch and suddenly go crazy against their population. But what happens when they kill 100% of their host? The phages themselves die within 4 days. Dr. Deb 38:45Hmm. Because they can’t keep reproducing. David Jernigan 38:47There’s nothing to reproduce them, yeah. Dr. Deb 38:49Yeah. Especially… unless they’re a polyvalent phage, that means a phage that can segue and use. David Jernigan 38:54One or two other kinds of bacteria. To, as a reproductive host. But a lot of phages, if not the majority, are monovalent, which means they have one host that they like to use. And so… Borrelia, so… my study that I ended up doing, and I published the results in 2021, And it’s a small study, but it’s right in there at the high end, believe it or not, of phage research. Most phage research is less than 30 people. In the study. But, we did 26 people.And after one month of doing the phage induction that I invented, which only… Appears to only, induce or stimulate the types of phages that will do the job in your body. I don’t care what kind of phage it is. I don’t care if it’s a Borrelia phage, it may be a polyvalent phage that normally doesn’t use the Borrelia burgdurferi as its number one. Host, but it can. To go and kill that infection. And the fascinating thing is, there was a brand new test that came out at the same time I came out with the idea, literally the same weekend they presented. Dr. Deb 40:1511. David Jernigan 40:15ILADS conference in Boston in 2019. It was called the Felix Borrelia phage Test. So the Felix Borrelia phage test. Because Borrelia are often intracellular, right, they’re buried down in the tissue, they’re not often in the blood that much. And therefore, doing a blood test isn’t really that accurate. But you remember how there’s, like, potentially as many as 5,200 phages of that type erupt from each bacteria when it breaks apart. It’s way easier to detect those phages, because they’re now circulating, those 52, as you saw in the video. 5,200 different phages are now seeking out another Borrelia that they can infect. And so, while they’re out in circulation, that’s easy to find in the bloodstream. So, 77% of the people, so 20 out of 26, were tested after a 2-week period. After only a 4-day round of treatment. Because according to my testing, remember, I can actually test adjunctively to see if I can find any signatures for those kinds of bacteria. And I couldn’t after 4 days, so we discontinued treatment and waited Beyond the 4 days that would allow the phages themselves to die, so we waited about a week and a half.And redid the test. And 77%, so that 20 out of 26 of the people, were completely negative. Dr. Deb 41:50Wow. David Jernigan 41:52Which, you go, well, it’s just a blood test. Well, no, we actually had people that were getting better, like, they’d never gotten better before. We had one woman who was wheelchair-bound, and in two weeks was able to walk, and even ultimately wanted to work for my clinic. I’m just, like, going… Dr. Deb 42:07I didn’t want to write about all that. I wanted to write about the phages. I was like… David Jernigan 42:12article, I probably should have put some of those stories, because, Critics would say, well, you got rid of the infection, maybe, but… Did you fix the Lyme disease? Well, that’s… there’s two factors here that every doctor needs to understand. There’s the infection in chronic illness, there’s the infection, and then there’s the damage that’s been done. Because sometimes I have these people that would come in and say, well, Dr. Jernigan, it didn’t work for me, I’m still in the wheelchair. And I’m like, no, it worked. Repeat lab test over months says it’s gone, it’s gone, it’s gone. It’s like, we would follow, and 88% of the people we followed long-term were still negative, which is amazing to me. Dr. Deb 42:56And then they have to repair the damage. David Jernigan 42:59It’s the damages why you still have your symptoms. And that’s where the doctor has to get busy, right? Dr. Deb 43:06Right David Jernigan 43:06They were told erroneously by their doctor that originally treated them that they’d be well, they’d get out of the wheelchair, if he could actually kill all these infections. Dr. Deb 43:15It’s not true. David Jernigan 43:16Unless it’s caught early. So I love the analogy, and I’ve said it a thousand times.that Lyme disease and chronic infections are much like having termites in the wood of your house. If you find the termites early, then yeah, killing the infection, life goes back to normal, the storm comes and your house doesn’t fall down. But if it’s 20 years later. Killing the termites is still a grand idea. Right. But you have the damage in the wood that needs to be repaired as well. All the systems… when I talk about damage to the wood, I mean, like. All the bioregulatory aspects of the body, how it regulates itself, all the biochemical pathways, the metabolic pathways we all know about, getting the toxins that have been lodged in there for many years, stopping the inflammatory things that have been running crazy. Dealing with all those cytokines that are just running rampant through the body, creating this whole MCAS situation. Which are largely… Dr. Deb 44:21Coming from your body’s own immune cells called macrophages, which are not even… David Jernigan 44:26It’s not… a virus at all, it’s part of the immune system, it’s like a Pac-Man, and research shows that especially in spirochetes. There is no toxin. Now, I wrote 4 books. I think I wrote the very first book on the natural treatment of people with Lyme disease back in the 90s. Why did I write that? Not because I wanted to be famous, it’s a tiny book, actually, the first one was.I was just trying to help people get out of this idea that you will be well when you kill all the bugs. I was saying, it’s… you need to be doing this. If you can’t come to my clinic, at least do this. Try to find somebody that will do this for you. And that ultimately led to a bigger book.as I kept learning more, and I was like, going, well, okay, now at least do this amount of stuff. And you need to make sure your doctor is handling this, this, this, and this. And so, the third book was, like, 500 and something pages long. And then the fourth book was 500 and something pages long, and now they’re all obsolete with the whole phage thing, because this just rewrites everything. Dr. Deb 45:34Yeah. David Jernigan 45:34It’s pretty fascinating. Dr. Deb 45:37Do you think the war on bugs, mentality created more chronic illness than it solved? David Jernigan 45:44Because of the tools that doctors had to use, yes. We’re a minority, we’re still a minority, you and I. Dr. Deb 45:54Yep. Our doctoring… David Jernigan 45:56Methods I never had, and you’d never… maybe you did, but I’d never had the ability to grab a prescription pad and write out a prescription. I had to figure out, how do I get… and this was… and still my guiding thing, is like, how do I identify, number one, everything that can be found that’s gone wrong in the human body. And what do I need to provide that body? Like, the body is the carpenter. That has to do the repair, has to regenerate, has to do everything, has to get… everything fixed right? We can’t fix anything. If you have a paper cut, there isn’t a doctor on the planet that can make that go away. Dr. Deb 46:38Right. David Jernigan 46:39Of their own power, much less chronic illnesses. So, all the treatments are like the screws, saws, hammers, you know the carpenter must be able to use. So a lot of the time, doctors are just throwing an entire Home Depot on top of the carpenter. In the form of, like, bags of supplements, you know, hundreds of supplements, I’ve seen patients walk in my door with two suitcasefuls. And they were taking 70 bottles, 65 to 70 bottles of supplements, and I’d be just like, wow, your carpenter who’s been working for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. He’s exhausted. There’s chaos everywhere, you don’t know where to. Dr. Deb 47:22Starting. David Jernigan 47:22He goes, you want me to do what with all this stuff? Dr. Deb 47:25Yep, I’ve seen the same thing. People… thousands, you know, several thousand dollars a month on supplements, and not any better. But they’re afraid to give up their supplements, too, because they don’t want to go backwards, either, and… there’s got to be a better way on both sides, the conventional side and the alternative side, although you and I don’t say it’s alternative, that’s the way medicine should be, but… David Jernigan 47:48Right. Dr. Deb 47:49We have to have a good balance on both sides. David Jernigan 47:52And I will say, too, in defense of doctors using a lot of supplements, I do use a lot of supplements. Dr. Deb 47:57Yeah, I do too. David Jernigan 47:58but I want to synergize what I’m giving the patient so that the carpenter isn’t overwhelmed and can actually get the job done. Like, everything has to work harmoniously together, so it’s not that… It’s not the number of supplements, and why would you need a lot of supplements? Well, because every system in your body is Messed up. My kind of clientele for 30 years. Our clientele, yours and mine. Dr. Deb 48:25Yeah. David Jernigan 48:26They have been sick, For decades, many of them. Dr. Deb 48:31Yeah. David Jernigan 48:31And if they went into a hospital, they honestly need every department. They need endocrinology, they need their kidney doctor, they need their… They’re a cardiologists, they need a neurologist, they need a rheumatologist. I mean, because none of those doctors are gonna deal with everything. They’re just gonna deal with one piece of the puzzle. And if they did get the benefit of all the different departments they need, yeah, they’d go out with a garbage bag full of stuff, too. Dr. Deb 48:57Hey, wood. David Jernigan 48:58Only, they’re not synergized. They don’t work together. You’re creating this chemistry set of who knows how much poison. And I want to tell your listeners, and I mean, you probably say this to your patients as well. There is a law of pharmacy that I learned eons ago, and it applies to natural medicine, too. Dr. Deb 49:21Yep. David Jernigan 49:22But the law says every drug’s primary side effect Is its primary action. So, if you listen to TV, you can see this on commercials. I love… I love listening to these commercials, because I’m like, wow. let’s… let’s… I don’t want to say I’ve named Brandon. I don’t know if that’s…Inappropriate to name a name brand, but let’s just say you have a pharmaceutical that is for sleep. After they show you this beautiful scene of the person restfully sleeping and everything like that, they tell you the truth. It’s like, this may cause sleepiness… I mean, sleeplessness. Dr. Deb 50:04Yeah. David Jernigan 50:04Found insomnia. Dr. Deb 50:06And headaches, and diarrhea. David Jernigan 50:08All the other things, and if it’s an antidepressant, what does the commercial do after it finishes showing you little bunny foo-foo, jumping through a green, happy people? They tell you, this may create depression, severe depression, and suicidal tendencies, which is the ultimate depression. So, I want everyone to understand you need to figure out what your doctor’s tools are that they’re asking you to take, and they’re wanting you to take it forever, generally in mainstream medicine, right? In the hospitals and everything. They don’t say, hey, your heart has this condition, take this medicine for 3 months, after which time you can get off. Dr. Deb 50:48Yep. David Jernigan 50:49not fixing it, right? So… That, on a timeline, there is a point, if it was truly even fixing anything. That you… it’s done what it should do, and you should get off, even if it’s a natural product. It’s just like. Dr. Deb 51:03Right David Jernigan 51:03It’s done what it should do, and you should get off, but instead. you go through the tree… the correction and out the other side, and that’s where it starts manifesting a lot of the same problems that it had. So, anti-inflammatories, painkillers, imagine the number one side effects are pain inflammation. So, the doctor says, well. If you say, hey, I’m having more pain, what does he do? He ups the dosage. And if he… if that doesn’t work, if you’re still in a lot of pain, which he would be, he changes it to a more powerful thing, right? But it starts the cycle all over again. So when you ask me, it’s like, why are we having so much chronic illness? It’s because of the whole philosophy. is the treatment philosophy of mainstream medicine that despises what you and I do. Because we’re… our philosophy from the start is the biggest thing. It’s like… We’re striving for cure. That dirty four-letter word, cure, we’re not even supposed to use it. And yet, if you look it up in Stedman’s Medical Dictionary, it just means a restoration of health. Remission. Everyone’s like, oh, I’m in remission. I’m like, remission is a drug term. It’s a medical term. Again, look it up in a medical dictionary. It is a pharmaceutical term for a temporary pause Or a reduction of your symptom, but because it’s just… symptom suppression, it will come back. It’s… remission is great, I suppose, in… At the end of, like, where you’ve exhausted everything, because I can’t fix everything, I don’t know about you. Dr. Deb 52:41No, I can’t either, yeah. David Jernigan 52:43you know, on my phone consults, I try to always remind people, as much as I get excited about my technologies gosh, I see so much opportunity to fix you. I always try to go, please understand, I’m gonna tell you what most doctors may not tell you on a phone consultation. I can’t fix everything. Dr. Deb 53:03Yeah. David Jernigan 53:03For all of my tricks, I can’t fix everything. Not tricks, but you know, all my technologies, and all my inventions. Phages, too. They are a tool. You know, antibiotics. I think I wrote a blog one time, it should be on my website somewhere, that says, Antibiotics do not… fix… neurological disease, or… I don’t know, something like that. You know, you’re using the wrong tool. I mean, it does what it does. Dr. Deb 53:32Yeah, you’re using a hammer to do what a screwdriver needs to. David Jernigan 53:35Yeah, you know, it’s like it’s… And yet, you can probably tell her… that you’ve had patients, too, that they go, Dr. Jernigan. My throat was so sore, and as soon as I swallowed that antibiotic. I felt better, and I’m, like, going… How long did it take? Oh, it was immediate! I was like, dude, the gel cap didn’t even have time to dissolve, I mean… Dr. Deb 53:58SIBO. David Jernigan 54:00But, it’s not going to repair the tissues that were all raw. kind of stuff. So, I mean, that ulceration of your throat that’s happening, the inflammation, there’s no anti-inflammatory effect of these things. So, I digress a little bit, but phages, too… I wrote an article that’s on the website, that’s setting healthy expectations for phages, because they want… we can see some amazing things happen, things that in my 30 years, I wish I had all my career to do over again, now having this tool. It’s just that much fun. I… when doctors around the country now are starting to use our inducent formulas, there’s, 13 of them now, formulas. For different broad-spectrum illness presentations. I tell them all the same thing, I was like, you are gonna have so much fun. Dr. Deb 54:53That’s exciting. Women. David Jernigan 54:54Winning is fun, you know? I was like. You know, mainstream medicine may never accept this, I don’t know. I feel a real huge burden, though, to do my best to follow a, very scientific methodology. I’ve published as much as I can publish at this time by myself. I never took money from the… the sources that are out there, because what do they do? They always come… money comes with strings. Dr. Deb 55:22Yes, it does. David Jernigan 55:23I don’t trust… I don’t trust… I mean, if you listen to the, roundtable that Our Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Dr. Deb 55:35Yeah. David Jernigan 55:36On Lyme disease last week the first couple of speakers were, like, pretty legit. I mean, all of them were legit, but I mean, they were, like, senators and congressmen or something like that, I think. And then you have… RFK Jr. himself, who’s legit. Yeah they were fessing up to the fact that, yes, they were suppressing anything to do with Lyme. Dr. Deb 56:00Yeah. David Jernigan 56:00Our… our highest levels of, marbled halls and pillars and… of medicine were doing everything the way I thought they were. They were suppressing me. I was like, how can you ignore the best formulas ever, and still, I think Borreligen, and now, induced native phage therapy are still, I believe, I don’t… I’ve never seen it, I could be wrong. The only natural things that have been documented in a medical methodology. Dr. Deb 56:34Hmm in the natural realm. I mean, all the herbs that we talk about. David Jernigan 56:39You know, there’s one that was really famous for a while, and it said, we gave… so many patients. This product, and other nutritional supplements. And at the end, X number of them were… dramatically better. That’s not research. Dr. Deb 56:57Right. That’s observation. David Jernigan 56:59The trick there was we gave this one thing, and then we gave high-dose proteolytic enzymes, we gave high dose this, we gave high dose that, but at the end of the study, we’re going to point back at the thing we’re trying to sell you as being what did it. Dr. Deb 57:12Which is what we do in all research, pretty much. David Jernigan 57:15Well… Dr. Deb 57:16tried to… David Jernigan 57:17Good guys, I hope. Dr. Deb 57:18Do the way we want, right? In… in conventional… David Jernigan 57:22Yeah. Dr. Deb 57:22Fantastic David Jernigan 57:23Very often, yeah, in conventional medicine, definitely. Yeah. And, it’s kind of scary, isn’t it, how many pharmaceuticals are slamming us with, because they’re… Dr. Deb 57:33Okay. David Jernigan 57:34There’s a new one on TV every day, and there’s. Dr. Deb 57:36Every day, yes. David Jernigan 57:37It’s like, who comes up with these names? They’re just horrible. Dr. Deb 57:40Yeah, you can’t pronounce them. David Jernigan 57:41I want to be a marketing company and come up with some Zimbabwehika, or something that actually they go with, and I’m like, I just made a million bucks coming up with it. I’ll be glad when that’s not on the TV anymore, which… Oh, me too. Me too. Dr. Deb 57:54Dr. Jaredgen, this was really wonderful. What do you want to leave our listeners with? David Jernigan 58:00Well, you know, everyone’s calling for a new treatment. Dr. Deb 58:05Yeah. You bet. David Jernigan 58:08I have done everything I can do to get it out there, scientifically, in peer review, so that if you want to look up my name. Dr. Deb 58:16I published an open access journal so that you didn’t have to buy the articles. Like, PubMed, you have to be a member. If you want to look at a lot of the research, you have to buy the articles. David Jernigan 58:26I’ve done everything open access so that people had access to the information. I honestly created induced native phage therapy to fix my own wife. I mean, I… I was… I used to think I could actually fix almost anything. Gave me enough time. And, I could not fix her. You know, the first 10 years, she was bedridden. Dr. Deb 58:49Wow. David Jernigan 58:50People go, oh, it’s easy for you, Dr. Jernigan, you’re a doctor. Dr. Deb 58:54Oh yeah, right? Yeah. David Jernigan 58:56Oh my gosh, how many tears have been shed, and how much heartache, and how much of this and that. I mean, 90% of our marriage, she was in, bed, just missing Christmas. All the horror stories you hear in the Lime world, that was her, and I could not get her completely well. And, she’s a very discerning woman. I say that in all my podcasts, because it’s. Dr. Deb 59:19Just… David Jernigan 59:16Amazing. It’s like, every husband, I think, should want a wife that’s… Always, right? Not that you surrender your own opinion, but it’s like, it’s… it was literally, I don’t know what, 6 months before the ILADS conference in Boston in 2029… in 2019 that She said, are you going to the ILADS conference this year? And I’m like, I’ve been going for, like, 15, 20 years, however long it’s been going on, and I was like, I’m not gonna go to this one. And, 3 days before the conference, she says, I think you should go. And I go, okay. Like I say, she’s generally right. And that… I bought a Scientific American magazine at the newsstand in the Nashville airport. Started reading a story about phages in that that copped that edition of the Scientific American, and It was a good article, but it wasn’t super meaty, you know. very deep on those, but I just was stimulated. Something about being at elevation. Dr. Deb 1:00:02Yeah. Your own mountains, I don’t know, I get all inspired. David Jernigan 1:00:25And I wrote in the margins and highlighted this and that until it was, like, ultimately, I spent the entire conference hammering this out. And it worked. And it’s been working, it’s just amazing. It’s… We’re over 200 different infections that we’ve… we’ve clinically or laboratory-wise documented. There’s a new test for my GenX called the CEPCR Lyme Panel. like, culture. 64 different types of infections, and I believe right now the latest count is something like 10 for 10 were completely negative. Dr. Deb 1:01:03Wow. David Jernigan 1:01:03These chronically infected people. And so, that hadn’t been published anywhere. So, in my published article, remember I was talking about that 20 out of the 26 were tested as negative for the infection? That doesn’t mean they’re cured, okay? Remember, they’re chronically damaged. That’s how we need to look at it. Dr. Deb 1:01:23funny David Jernigan 1:01:24damaged. You’re not just chronically infected. And, but with 30-day treatment.24 out of the 26 were tested as negative. Dr. Deb Muth 1:01:34That’s amazing. David Jernigan 1:01:35So 92% of the people were negative.Okay? The chances of that happening, when you run it through statistical analysis.The chances… when you compare the results to the sensitivity percentages, you know, the 100% specificity and 92% sensitivity of the…Of the lab testIt’s a 4.5 nonillion to 1 chance that it was a fluke. Isn’t that amazing? Now, nearly… I’m not even sure how many zeros that is, but it’s a lot. Dr. Deb Muth 1:02:08That’s is awesome. David Jernigan 1:02:09Like, if I just said, well, it’s a one in a million chance it was a fluke.Okay.So, lab tests don’t lie. You’re not done, necessarily, just because you got rid of the infections. Now that formula for Lyme has grown to be 90-plusmicrobes targeted in the one formula. So, we figured out we can actually target individually, but collectively, almost like an antibiotic that’s laser-guided to only go after the bad guys that we targeted.So, all the Borrelia types are targeted, all the Babesias, for,the Bartonellas, the anaplasmosis, you name it, mycoplasma types are all targeted in that one formula, because I said.Took my collective 30 years of experience and 15,000 patients.that I would typically see as co-infections and put them into that one formula, so…When we get these tests coming back that are testing for 64, it’s because of that.So, there’s a lot of coolnesses that I could actually keep going and going. Dr. Deb Muth 1:03:15That’s exciting. David Jernigan 1:03:15I love this topic, but I thank you for letting me come on. Dr. Deb Muth 1:03:18Thank you for joining us. How can people find you? David Jernigan 1:03:22Two ways. There’s the Phagen Corp company that is now manufacturing my formulas.That is P-H-A-G-E-N-C-O-R-P dot com. Practitioners can go there, and there’s a practitioner side of the website that’s very beefy with science, and… and all the formulas that were used, what’s inside of all the formulas, meaning what microbes are targeted by each one. Like, there’s a GI formula, there’s a UTI formula, there’s a SIRS formula, there’s a Lyme formula, there’s a central nervous system type infection formula, there’s… And we can keep going, you know, SIBO, SIFO formula, mold formula… I mean, we’ve discovered so many things that I could just keep going for hours, and… Dr. Deb Muth 1:04:05Yeah. David Jernigan 1:04:06About the discoveries, from where it started in its humble beginnings, To now, so… There’s another way, if you wanted to see our clinic website, is Biologics, with an X, so B-I-O-L-O-G-I-X, Center, C-E-N-T-E-R dot com. And, if somebody thinks they want to be a patient and experience this at our clinic, typically we don’t take just Easy stuff. All we see is chronic.Chronic cases from all over the world. Something like 96% of our patients come from other states and countries. And typically, I’ve been close to 90% for my whole career.About 30-something percent come from other countries in that, so… we’ve gotten really good and learned a lot in having to deal with what nobody else knows what to do with. But if you do want to do that, you can contact us. And, if you… If you don’t get the answers from my patient care staff, then I do free consultations. With the people that are thinking about, whether we can help them or not. Dr. Deb Muth 1:05:13Well, that’s excellent. For those of you who are driving or don’t have any way of writing things down, don’t worry about it, we’ve got you. We will have all of his contact information in our show notes, so you will be able to reach out to him. Thank you again for joining me. This has been an amazing conversation. David Jernigan 1:05:30Thank you, I appreciate you having me on. It was a lot of fun. The post Episode 252 – Induced Native Phage Therapy (INPT) & advanced natural therapies first appeared on Let's Talk Wellness Now.

Highlighting a wonderful tribute and top-notch sporting event this weekend, the 4th annual Remy Williams Memorial Invitational at Park University. Outstanding NAIA mens' and women's basketball teams gather to honor Remy, a Pembroke graduate, and aspiring lawyer killed by a drunk driver. He attended NAIA power Georgetown, and was a manager on the basketball team that won two NAIA titles. They are part of the event detailed by Park AD Kristen Gillette and men's basketball coach Jason Kline.

Go granular with Sarah as we dive deeper into productivity tools to focus specifically on project management solutions. Use these suggestions to organize and scale your workflow!   Read the text version   Get access to Ritter Insurance Marketing Solutions – Register today   Contact the Agent Survival Guide Podcast! Email us ASGPodcast@Ritterim.com or call 1-717-562-7211 and leave a voicemail.   Project Management Solutions: Asana Basecamp Monday.com Trello Wrike   Resources: Field Notes on Digital Marketing Resources Field Notes on Productivity Tools Field Notes on Traditional Marketing Resources The Ultimate Agent Resource List Pt. 1: Market Yourself The Ultimate Agent Resource List Pt. 2: Keeping in Touch with Clients The Ultimate Agent Resource List Pt. 3: Staying Organized   References: Gurnov, Artem. “Best 21 Project Management Tools in 2025: Expert Reviews and Comparisons.” Wrike.Com, Wrike, 3 July 2025, www.wrike.com/project-management-guide/faq/what-are-project-management-tools/. “From Agile to Waterfall: A Breakdown of Project Management Methodologies.” Park.Edu, Park University, 23 May 2025, www.park.edu/blog/from-agile-to-waterfall-a-breakdown-of-project-management-methodologies. “Top 6 Project Management Methodologies to Boost Efficiency.” Virtuallatinos.Com, Virtual Latinos, 4 Mar. 2025, www.virtuallatinos.com/blog/project-management-methodologies/. Rehkopf, Max. “What Is a Kanban Board?” Atlassian.Com, Atlassian, www.atlassian.com/agile/kanban/boards. Accessed 17 July 2025.   Follow Us on Social! Ritter on Facebook, https://www.facebook.com/RitterIM Instagram, https://www.instagram.com/ritter.insurance.marketing/ LinkedIn, https://www.linkedin.com/company/ritter-insurance-marketing TikTok, https://www.tiktok.com/@ritterim X, https://x.com/RitterIM and YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/user/RitterInsurance     Sarah on LinkedIn, https://www.linkedin.com/in/sjrueppel/ Instagram, https://www.instagram.com/thesarahjrueppel/ and Threads, https://www.threads.net/@thesarahjrueppel  Tina on LinkedIn, https://www.linkedin.com/in/tina-lamoreux-6384b7199/   Not affiliated with or endorsed by Medicare or any government agency.

https://smallchangesbigshifts.com/teaching-empathy-owning-mistakes-leadership-lessons-from-dr-nicole-price-season-12-ep-531/Empathy isn't soft—it's strategic. Dr. Nicole Price brings bold truth, brilliant insight, and deep humanity to a conversation about leadership that transcends titles. With vulnerability and humor, she unpacks how personal experiences shape our approach to others—and how learning to lead with empathy doesn't just improve teams, it transforms lives. From navigating missteps to rewriting emotional habits, Dr. Nicole shows us that leadership is personal, teachable, and powerful when rooted in self-awareness, responsibility, and the courage to grow. Key Takeaways: True empathy can be learned through consistent practice and intention, even if it doesn't come naturally. Leaders who take time to understand different motivations build stronger, more inclusive teams. Emotional awareness expands when we embrace the full spectrum of human experience—not just the easy parts. Responsibility in leadership means owning your part, even when it's uncomfortable, and taking the next right action. Strategic empathy allows leaders to be supportive without burning out, by balancing compassion with clarity. Resource Mentioned: Join us for an evening designed to uplift, connect, and inspire—a space where heart-centered leadership meets whole-person wellbeing. Wednesday, July 16, 2025 Semi-Annual Better Together Through Empathy-Driven Leadership  About Dr. Nicole Price: Dr. Nicole D. Price gets it. She understands that if leadership is anything, it is personal, and that everyone can be a great leader — everyone can lead his or her own, whole life. So she gets personal. Dr. Price's transparency allows others to learn from her mistakes and helps them avoid the same pitfalls. She gets real. She will tell you, yes, having differences within a team can be harder, but that hard work can really pay off — both professionally and personally.  And she gets wise. She'll tell you, in a heartbeat, how she's gotten a few things wrong over the years, but a little grace and some solid coaching saved her.  Can you make mistakes and still be an awesome leader? Is it possible to lead effectively with so many personalities on one team? Can you genuinely lead people and still have a decent life and energy left to live it? If you ask Dr. Price, the answer is absolutely yes. Through leadership development, coaching, consulting, keynotes, and other resources, Dr. Price encourages and enables others to live their lives in excellence. Her energetic and engaging sessions leave participants with strategies and specific tools that they can apply right away. Her lively presentation style garners rave reviews and, very often, an invitation to return. Dr. Price received her B.S. in chemical engineering from North Carolina A&T University, her master's degree in adult education from Park University, and her doctorate in leadership and management from Capella University. For more information about Dr. Price and Lively Paradox programs, please visit www.livelyparadox.com/our-team. Links: Home Page - Dr. Nicole Price Dr. Nicole Price - YouTube Nicole Price (@drnicoleprice) • Instagram photos and videos Dr. Nicole Price - Lively Paradox | LinkedIn Nicole Price x.com/DrNicolePrice Connect with Dr. Michelle and Bayleigh at: https://smallchangesbigshifts.com hello@smallchangesbigshifts.com https://www.linkedin.com/company/smallchangesbigshifts https://www.facebook.com/SmallChangesBigShifts https://www.instagram.com/smallchangesbigshiftsco   Thanks for listening! Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it using the social media buttons on this page. Do you have some feedback or questions about this episode? Leave a comment in the section below! Subscribe to the podcast If you would like to get automatic updates of new podcast episodes, you can subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts or Stitcher. You can also subscribe in your favorite podcast app. Leave us an Apple Podcasts review Ratings and reviews from our listeners are extremely valuable to us and greatly appreciated. They help our podcast rank higher on Apple Podcasts, which exposes our show to more awesome listeners like you. If you have a minute, please leave an honest review on Apple Podcasts.  

War and Trauma US Army In Kuwait, Before The Invasion of Iraq. In the early morning darkness of March 23, 2003, just three days after the official start of the Iraq War, a shocking act of violence erupted, not from an outside enemy, but from within the ranks of the U.S. Army. It was an act that forever changed Command Sergeant Major (Ret.) Bart Womack’s life, and would later become the central focus of his gripping book, Embedded Enemy. Stationed at Camp Pennsylvania in Kuwait, the Headquarters of the 101st Airborne Division was making final preparations for the invasion of Iraq. But that night, as soldiers tried to rest before crossing the border, an explosion shattered the calm. A grenade was tossed into a tent. Seconds later, gunfire rang out. Smoke, confusion, and panic followed. Follow the Law Enforcement Talk Radio Show and Podcast on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, Newsbreak, Medium and most all social media platforms “I knew we were in the land of not quite right,” Womack recalled in a recent interview. “And that was a not quite right grenade that, for some reason, there were sparks before it exploded.” The Law Enforcement Talk Radio Show and Podcast episode is available for free on our website, Apple Podcasts, Spotify and most major podcast platforms. “We’re under attack.” Womack and a fellow officer acted quickly, rushing to alert their colonel and evacuate the tent. “Just like that, it was pitch dark, and the tent was filled with smoke,” Womack said. “I shook the commander vigorously until he woke up, and I was shouting, ‘Get up. We’re under attack.’” The attacker? A fellow American soldier, one of their own, who had sworn the same oath to defend the Constitution. Two officers were killed. Fourteen others were wounded, six of whom were evacuated and never returned. The emotional and psychological trauma from that night continues to haunt many of the survivors. Look for supporting stories about this and much more from Law Enforcement Talk Radio Show and Podcast in platforms like Medium, Newsbreak and Blogspot. From Battlefield to Healing Ground, War and Trauma US Army In Kuwait, Before The Invasion of Iraq. Womack, a decorated Iraq War veteran with two Bronze Stars (one for valor), the Legion of Merit, and the Army Ranger Tab, now devotes his life to helping others recover from the trauma of war. After 29 years of service in the U.S. Army, including assignments as a Drill Sergeant, Ranger Instructor, and Sergeant of the Guard at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, he has turned his focus to serving veterans in new ways. Now a resident of Pittsburgh, Womack holds a B.S. in Business Management from Park University and an MBA from Waynesburg University. He serves as the Program Manager for Onward to Opportunity, Pittsburgh, a Syracuse University initiative that equips transitioning service members and veterans with career training and support. Follow the Law Enforcement Talk Radio Show and podcast on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, Newsbreak, Medium and most all social media platforms But perhaps his most passionate endeavor is as Co-Founder and COO of the Armed Forces Equestrian Center (AFEC), a nonprofit that offers equine therapy to veterans, military families, and individuals with disabilities. “I’ve seen firsthand how trauma can follow our warriors long after the war ends,” Womack said. “Horses have an incredible ability to help people reconnect, rebuild trust, and find peace.” A Voice for the Silenced In his memoir, Embedded Enemy, Womack details the chaos and heartbreak of that fateful night in Kuwait. It’s a story not just of violence and betrayal, but of resilience, leadership, and the unbreakable bonds forged in war. The book is available on major platforms Amazon, and Womack often shares his story on news outlets, podcasts, and across social media platforms such as Facebook, Instagram*, and X (formerly Twitter). The interview is available as a free podcast on the Law Enforcement Talk Radio Show and podcast website, also available on platforms like Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and most major podcast outlets. “Talking about it continues to be therapy for me,” he admitted. “I live it every day, but telling the story reminds me that we made it through, and that maybe someone else out there will find strength through our experience.” War and Trauma US Army In Kuwait, Before The Invasion of Iraq. Beyond writing, Womack also works in the entertainment industry as an actor and military technical advisor. He has appeared in several film and television productions and recently spent 18 months in Afghanistan training the Afghan National Army. His reach is global, he has even contributed to training missions in Nigeria as part of the Africa Contingency Operation. A Legacy of Leadership CSM (Ret.) Bart Womack’s military career spanned decades and continents, but his leadership continues off the battlefield. He sits on the board of the *Veterans Media Corporation*, is an Executive Producer at The Veterans Channel, and regularly mentors Army ROTC cadets. Check out the show on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, Newsbreak, Medium and most all social media platforms In October 2020, his ongoing service was recognized when he was knighted into The Order of St. George, Grand Priory of Canada and the Americas. His evaluations from active duty describe him as “the standard by which others are measured,” and his life’s work continues to embody that high bar. 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Be sure to follow us on MeWe, X, Instagram, Facebook,Pinterest, Linkedin and other social media platforms for the latest episodes and news. Background song Hurricane is used with permission from the band Dark Horse Flyer. You can contact John J. "Jay" Wiley by email at Jay@letradio.com, or learn more about him on their website. Get the latest news articles, without all the bias and spin, from the Law Enforcement Talk Radio Show and Podcast on the Newsbreak app, which is free. Find a wide variety of great podcasts online at The Podcast Zone Facebook Page, look for the one with the bright green logo. War and Trauma US Army In Kuwait, Before The Invasion of Iraq. Attributions Fox News Amazon.com BME.com Flatterspeakers Amazon.com BartWomack.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is Derek Miller of the Salt Lake Chamber with your Utah Business Report. The Utah Board of Higher Education has unanimously selected Shane Smeed as the next president of Utah Tech University. Smeed is a Utah native and currently serves as president of Park University, where he has led initiatives focused on student success, institutional excellence and workforce development. His leadership accomplishments include launching a comprehensive fundraising campaign and creating strategic business partnerships to enhance student outcomes in the global market. In the official announcement, Smeed said his aim is “to graduate the best-prepared students who will contribute to Southern Utah, the great state of Utah and beyond.” With 25 years of experience in higher education, Smeed will bring a wealth of leadership and expertise to the role. To learn more, visit the Utah Tech University website. The Salt Lake Chamber. We Stand as the Voice of Business. Originally aired: 3/14/25

Send us a textIn this insightful episode, Clint Biggs shares his extensive experience in test engineering sales, discussing the critical intersection of technical expertise and customer relationships. With over 30 years in the industry, Clint provides valuable insights into sales engineering, team collaboration, and career development for engineers.Main Topics:Test Engineering Across IndustriesSales and Engineering CollaborationBuilding Professional RelationshipsSales Engineer Compensation and IncentivesEffective Communication StrategiesValue-Based Service DeliveryClint Biggs is the Senior Vice President of Sales and Marketing at Testeract, a company specializing in automated test systems. Since March 2023, he has driven revenue and market growth, notably overseeing the merger of SOLUbit into Testeract.Previously, as President of SOLUbit, Inc. (October 2015 – May 2024), Clint led significant growth, expanding the team and tripling revenue. The company served industry leaders like Agilent Technologies and Intel, providing solutions across mechanical, electrical, and software engineering disciplines.At National Instruments, Clint held leadership roles over a 23-year tenure, including Principal of Key Accounts & Sales Excellence and Department Manager for Americas Services & Support, where he led over 250 engineering professionals.He holds a Bachelor of Science in Computer Science from Park University, graduating Magna Cum Laude. Clint is recognized for his leadership development, strategic growth, and aligning engineering with market needs.Links:Clint Biggs - LinkedInTesteract WebsiteAbout Being An Engineer The Being An Engineer podcast is a repository for industry knowledge and a tool through which engineers learn about and connect with relevant companies, technologies, people resources, and opportunities. We feature successful mechanical engineers and interview engineers who are passionate about their work and who made a great impact on the engineering community. The Being An Engineer podcast is brought to you by Pipeline Design & Engineering. Pipeline partners with medical & other device engineering teams who need turnkey equipment such as cycle test machines, custom test fixtures, automation equipment, assembly jigs, inspection stations and more. You can find us on the web at www.teampipeline.us

Show Notes Booker T. Washington once said: “An inch of progress is worth more than a yard of complaint.”  A once enslaved man who became an author and speaker in the post-Reconstruction Jim Crow-era South, Washington famously advocated against protest and agitation tactics meant to advance civil rights. Washington's position was that Black Americans should concentrate on economic progress, rather than desegregation efforts.   Washington believed that economic success would advance Black people in American society and protect them from the violence of the Jim Crow era.  However, this wasn't always—or even often—the case.  In a paper titled, “An Inch of Progress: Black Business and Black Accountants Fighting Jim Crow Violence,” researchers from the University of Denver have set out to set the record straight on how economics and accounting actually hurt or benefited Black Americans at the time. In this episode, Emma speaks with Daniels College of Business professor Tony Holder and history professor Kimberly Jones from the College of Arts, Humanities and Social Sciences, plus grad student Mayowa Alabi, about their research into the history of racism and accounting. Anthony D. Holder, PhD, CPA (Inactive), is an associate professor at the University of Denver. He has previously taught at Case Western Reserve University, the University of Toledo and the University of Cincinnati. He also spent a semester teaching in Shanghai, China. He earned his BA in Accountancy at Park University, a Master of Accountancy at Wright State University and a PhD in Accountancy at the University of Cincinnati. He is a Certified Public Accountant (CPA). Prior to obtaining his PhD, he worked for PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP in their auditing and tax departments. Kimberly Jones is an associate professor of history in the College of Arts, Humanities and Social Sciences. Jones studies the experiences of enslaved and free black people across the Atlantic World. Her primary research is centered on the construction of racial identity through medicine and science. Mayowa Alabi is a graduate student in the Daniels College of Business. 

Melissa Ferrer Civil (&), (she/they), formerly known as Missy T. Ferrari, is a poet, performer, organizer, and educator living on unceded Kaw, Kansa, Kickapoo, and Oceti Sakowin lands (KCMO). Rooted in the practical and the possible, their spoken word poems and songs are mostly responses to the world around them and their own internal journey. Melissa is the founder of the arts and organizing event series A Nation In Exile. Melissa received a Bachelor's Degree in both Creative Writing and Italian from The Florida State University. She has also received her Master's of Education with a specialization in Urban Education from Park University. She received her M.F.A. in Creative Writing from Randolph College. She was also long listed for the Palette Poetry 2021 Emerging Poet Prize. They are a Charlotte Street Studio Resident, a Chrysalis Institute Alumnus, and a Heartlandarts KC Fellow. Melissa Ferrer Civil is the inaugural Poet Laureate of Kansas City, Missouri. Find Melissa's list of publications at melissaferrerand.com/publications and their poetry performances and recorded music at melissaferrerand.com/multimedia-content. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

An amazing conversation with Kay Barnes, who recently retired from a Park University position, the latest in a incredible list of accomplishments, often as the first female, from County Legislator to City Council, Mayor of Kansas Ciy and much more. Historical, inspiring, and full of remarkable connections and personalities. Engaging and fascinating listening!

Karen Perkins is an educator, motivator, coach, wife, mother, sister, friend, daughter and great listener to name a few of her titles. She has earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in elementary education from Drury University in Springfield, Missouri; a Master of Arts degree in education with emphasis on at-risk education from Park University in Parkville, Missouri; and a Master of Arts degree in early childhood education from University of Phoenix in Phoenix, Arizona. She is founder and CEO of Perfectly U which is a Ministry that helps busy moms be all that they can be mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually and financially. Karen has also started the Teacher Burnout Is Real! movement, which is a support system for teachers. She hosts a weekly Teacher Burnout Is Real podcast on Spotify, where she shares tips and resources as well. Karen has worked extensively in churches throughout the years. She is currently a member of Friendship Baptist Church of Kansas City, Missouri. She serves as chairperson of the Naomi/Ruth circle of the Woman's Missionary Union at Friendship, and leads the Shine children's ministry for elementary school-aged children. Karen is the wife of Reverend James Perkins and mother of Audrey. In her spare time she likes to do word puzzles, logic puzzles and Sudoku number puzzles to keep her mind sharp. Above everything listed previously Karen's proudest title is God's beloved daughter. She enjoys using her gifts and talents to glorify her father and bring others into the kingdom.

Vanessa Bassil is the founder and president of the Media Association for Peace, and has personally trained journalists and journalism students in Lebanon and other countries in the Middle East. She is currently in graduate school at the University of Bonn in Germany, working towards a PhD in Peace Journalism. Peace Journalism, the guiding practice behind Media Association for Peace, (MAP) is when editors and reporters make choices—of what to report, and how to report it—that create opportunities for society at large to consider and value non-violent responses to conflict. Growing up in an insulated Christian community in the wake of the Lebanese Civil War (1975-1990), Vanessa never had the opportunity to meet a Lebanese Muslim. As a rookie journalist, instead of working inside of one of her country's ethnic media silos, she chose independence. She was drawn towards peacebuilding, and would report on camps that brought together groups of Sunni and Shia Muslims and Christians in the mountains. With the founding of MAP in 2013, Vanessa created a space where journalists learn to report on Lebanon's divisive issues – including an economic crisis, the difficulties of hosting Syrian refugees, and LGBTQ rights – in ways that are nuanced and depolarizing. Watch videos produced by MAP to break stereotypes about Syrian refugees (Arabic with English subtitles)The Genius Syrian RefugeeMyassar, the Woman Who Never Gives UpThe Robot TeamWatch Vanessa Bassil's webinar presentation to learn more about MAP (about 15 minutes)To learn more about Peace Journalism, listen to our episode with Steven Youngblood, founding director of the Center for Global Peace Journalism at Park University, and now Making Peace Visible's Director of Education.  ABOUT THE SHOW Making Peace Visible is hosted by Jamil Simon and produced by Andrea Muraskin, with help from Faith McClure. Learn more at makingpeacevisible.org Support this podcast Connect on social:Instagram @makingpeacevisibleLinkedIn @makingpeacevisibleX (formerly Twitter) @makingpeaceviz We want to learn more about our listeners. Take this 3-minute survey to help us improve the show!

Rich Brown is co-owner of the American Warrior Society and the co-host of the American Warrior Show, the self defense industries leading podcast.  He and Mike Seeklander teach firearms, tactics and combatives classes to law enforcement, military and responsible civilians.  This show we talk with Rich on current threats domestically and around the world.  Some topics covered:  China gaining on world dominance both strategically and the world economy.  Russia's war in Ukraine, the Israeli war in Gaza, the US boarder crisis, the US economy and much more. Previous Episodes with Rich: Ep 7 https://directory.libsyn.com/episode/index/show/evosec/id/11331488 Ep 78 https://directory.libsyn.com/episode/index/show/evosec/id/23639894 Victor Davis Hanson article read on the show: https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/opinion-columns/victor-davis-hanson/victor-davis-hanson-american-paralysis-and-decline-3010674/ Rich and Mike have been a huge support to the EvoSec crew, do us a favor and support them by becoming a coin member.  The content you receive as a coined member is unlike any other self defense website out there.   https://americanwarriorsociety.com/ Become a AWS coin member   Also, make sure you subscribe to and share both their podcast and YouTube channels.   https://www.youtube.com/user/rhodieusmc Check out some of the most recent pivotal shows discussed on the show: AWS 298 Prepare (Special Edition)  AWS 283 Emerging Threats - Ukraine  Rich Brown - short bio - Previously Regional Manager for Preparedness and Government Operations for the American Red Cross - Previously Corrections Officer and Special Operations Response Team Officer with the Knox County Sheriff's Department - Retired Chief Warrant Officer-3 U.S. Marine with more than 23 years of service Rich is a distinguished graduate of numerous schools dealing in all aspects of military operations, law enforcement and corrections. Rich holds belts in Aiki-jūjutsu, Judo, MCMAP and Okinawan Freestyle Karate. Rich is also a published author who holds a B.S. in Social Psychology from Park University. In his spare time, Rich really enjoys shooting in local IDPA matches and writing about himself in the third person.

Illuminating Hope, a podcast of Hope House brings you Voices of Justice, a series of podcasts where law enforcement officials, judges, and advocates come together to unravel the entangled web of domestic violence. Join us as we dive into the complex challenges faced by those on the front lines of justice, exploring real-life stories, legal nuances, and the human side of these cases. In each episode, our guests share their experiences, insights, and perspectives, shedding light on the multifaceted nature of domestic violence. Tune in for a compelling journey into the criminal justice system, where compassion meets the pursuit of truth, and where professionals strive to bring justice to those affected by the cycle of abuse.Chief Forbes began his career in law enforcement on May 14, 1992, with the Independence MissouriPolice Department. He attended the 84th Kansas City Regional Police Academy class and graduated as valedictorian.Travis graduated summa cum laude from Park University in 1998 with a Bachelor of Science in Management and Human Resources. He was also selected by the university as the most outstanding student for the Independence campus.Travis earned his master's in public administration from the University of Nebraska-Omaha in 2004.He was one of three graduates selected for the national Public Administration Honors Society, Pi Alpha Alpha.Travis is also a 2007 graduate of the School of Police Staff and Command from the Northwestern University Center for Public Safety.Travis authored the criminal justice textbook “The Investigation of Crime,” published in 2008.Travis's career includes work in patrol, investigations, narcotics, special operations, and administration.In 1998, Travis was promoted to the rank of sergeant and served as a supervisor in Uniform Patrol.In 2001, Sergeant Forbes was selected as a member to the Kansas City Metro Drug Task Force, Drug Enforcement Unit where he served until 2003.In 2003, Travis was promoted to captain and placed supervisor over the Independence Police Department's Drug Enforcement Unit. In 2004, he was transferred to the position of supervisor over the Criminal Investigations Division.In 2006, Travis was promoted to major and commander of the Special Operations Division, Patrol Division, and then the Administrative Division.Travis was promoted to deputy chief in 2013 and commanded the Operations Support Bureau.Travis has had numerous letters of appreciation, commendations and awards throughout his career, and was selected Officer of the Month twice for the department. Travis was also selected as the City of Independence Employee of the Month during his tenure as a major. The Investigations Unit received a Special Unit Citation in 2005 while under Travis' command.Travis' wife, Michelle, is a schoolteacher for the Fort Osage School District. They have three children; Tanner, Logan, and Raven. Travis' father is the current chief of police in Lone Jack, Missouri, after retiring from the Kansas City, Missouri Police Department. Travis' grandfather was with the Missouri State Highway Patrol.Domestic Violence Hotline 816-461-HOPE

Pop superstar Taylor Swift is in Melbourne on her wildly popular tour and for some her appearance at the American Super Bowl was more exciting than the football game itself. But perhaps more intriguing is her role in the upcoming US election. Today, we look at whether a Swift endorsement of Joe Biden would help him win and why Trump supporters are so willing to believe conspiracy theories that she's in cahoots with the White House.Featured: Dr Matt Harris, Associate Professor of Political Science at Park University in Missouri

Taylor Swift is a global superstar. She's sold over 200 million records and is the highest-grossing female touring artist of all time. And now she's the subject of a MAGA conspiracy. Donald Trump supporters are spreading the theory Taylor Swift is working with the Democrats to ensure Joe Biden is re-elected at the November US presidential elections. AND they're going so far as to say her boyfriend, NFL star Travis Kelce, the NFL itself, AND the Pentagon are also part of the wild conspiracies. In this episode of the Briefing, we're joined by Matt Harris, an associate professor of political science at Park University in the United States to learn how and why Tay Tay is driving the MAGA community to invent these wild theories.   Headlines: Workers will be given the ‘right to disconnect' after hours from their bosses Hamas proposes truce deal Earth Aid Live   Follow The Briefing:Instagram: @thebriefingpodcast Facebook: TheBriefingNewsAUTwitter: @TheBriefingAU  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Steve's Bio from wwuowls.com: Steve Wilson joins WWU from Kansas Wesleyan University in Salina, Kansas, where he has led the athletic department since 2019. Under his leadership, the Coyotes twice won the Kansas Collegiate Athletic Conference Commissioner's Cup, in 2020 and 2021, and won seven KCAC championships. Kansas Wesleyan also grew its athletic department under Wilson's direction, adding several new coaches and two new sports in men's volleyball and flag football, while excelling in the classroom; 20 of the university's 25 athletic teams received NAIA Scholar Team status while posting a department-wide GPA of 3.01. Prior to Kansas Wesleyan, Wilson served as Athletic Director at Park University-Gilbert, leading the school's 12-sport athletic department in its inaugural season of 2018-2019 while also coaching the Buccaneers' men's and women's golf teams. Prior experience also includes serving as Associate Athletic Director for Media Relations and Compliance, and Sports Information Director, at Park University's flagship campus from 2007-2018, and serving on the athletic department media relations staff at Texas State University in San Marcos, Texas."Steve brings a wealth of knowledge having been with the NAIA as a coach, an SID, and athletics administrator; along with his experience working at the NAIA," said Tracy Gastineau, Interim Director of Athletics and a member of the athletic director search committee. "As an added bonus, he is familiar with William Woods and the AMC. His interactions with the athletics staff during the interview process was energetic and exciting and we look forward to working with him as our department continues to grow."A graduate of both Kansas St. University (bachelor's - 2004) and Park University (masters – 2013), Wilson is married to Juli Wilson and has one daughter. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/personsofinterest/message

Park University graduate student Victor Diaz was named one of 11 senior semifinalists in this month's Sphinx Competition, hosted annually in Detroit. The top award is $50,000, but Diaz has another prize in mind: Inspiring more Hispanic kids to discover classical music.

This week I'm reading from Terry Lovelace's book 'Incident at Devils Den'.This is my true story. Written by Terry Lovelace, a 64-year-old lawyer and former assistant attorney general. In 2012 a routine X-ray of my leg found an anomalous bit of metal the size of a fingernail with two tiny wires attached. What followed were horrific nightmares, spontaneous recall and intrusive thoughts surrounding a 1977 camping trip I took with a friend to Devils Den State Park in Northern Arkansas. For fear of losing my job and my standing in the legal community, I've kept this secret for 40 years. But the 2012 discovery of this object, one and one-half inches deep in my thigh, initiated a flood of nightmares I could not control. BioTerry Lovelace is a six year veteran of the USAF where he served as a medic and EMT from 1973 to 1979. He has a bachelor's degree in psychology with honors from Park University in Kansas City, Missouri. He completed a law degree from Western Michigan and passed the Michigan State Bar Examination. He was also admitted to the bar in Vermont and the US Territory of American Samoa. His legal career began in private practice until his appointment as an assistant attorney general for the U.S. Territory of American Samoa, he also served as State's Attorney for Vermont Board of Medical Practice until his 2012 retirement. He and a friend were abducted from Devils Den State Park in NW Arkansas in June 1977 while remote camping. They were both on active duty at the time. What followed were 40+ years of nightmares, phobias, and PTSD-like issues which continue to this day. In 2012 a routine leg x-ray discovered two anomalous objects in his leg. The x-rays are on his website at terrylovelace.com. That event was his catalyst to write two books and speak publicly about his experiences.For fear of losing his job and the respect of his peers in the legal community, he waited until 2018 to self-publish INCIDENT AT DEVILS DEN, a #1 Bestseller on Amazon with 700+ Reviews at 4.8/5.0. His second book, DEVILS DEN: THE RECKONING was published the week of Christmas 2020. It was #1 in New Releases immediately and hit #1 Bestseller status on February 10th. Upcoming event: Speaking at Yale University on the topic of Alien Abduction, March 25th.His abduction story was featured in the UK Newspaper, THE GUARDIAN on September 12, 2021.He was a guest lecturer with Leslie Kean, Author and NY Times contributor at Rice University in Houston, Texas in November 2019.He's spoken at the UFO Congress in 2018, Contact in the Desert in 2019 and 2021, The Roswell UFO Festival 2019, UFO Con in Dallas in 2020, Alien Con in San Francisco in 2020, The Ascension Conference in Sedona in 2021, and the Ozark Digital Conference in 2021. His story was featured on a television episode of the Travel Channel's “MY HORROR STORY” which originally aired in November 2019, and “UFO ENCOUNTERS” aired in Canada in August 2021.Terry is a graduate of THE WELLNESS INSTITUTE in Graham, Washington where he successfully completed their program in hypnotherapy. He is currently performing hypnotherapy for experiencers who are struggling with memories from an ET encounter. He has done numerous past life regressions with amazing results.Since March 2018 he's been a radio/podcast guest 100+ times.https://www.amazon.com/Incident-Devils-story-Terry-Lovelace-ebook/dp/B07B7HMPPZ/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1653037004&sr=8-1https://www.terrylovelace.com/http://www.pastliveshypnosis.co.uk/https://www.patreon.com/alienufopodcast

In this episode, Scott Modell, Ph.D. and Staci Whitney, LMSW are joined by Executive Director of the Adult Advocacy Centers, Katherine Yoder, MS, CFI. Katherine shares her experience as an individual with Autism and also discusses emerging trends she's recognized in the disability field.Katherine Yoder is a certified forensic interviewer and a person with disabilities herself. For more than 20 years she has worked with people with disabilities in various capacities, from direct care to investigating crimes against people with disabilities across the state of Ohio. She also served on the Mortality Review Committee for the Ohio Department of Developmental Disabilities. All of this work revealed the glaring gaps in the different systems when a crime is committed against a person with a disability. After co-authoring the Advanced Forensic Interviewing Individuals with Disabilities (Project FIND) protocol, Katherine founded the Adult Advocacy Centers (AACs) in March 2019 to serve crime victims with disabilities. Since then, she has co-authored the Project FIND Adapted protocol for individuals who do not speak and four AACs' ADEPT forensic interviewing protocols for crime victims with disabilities. She holds a Bachelor's degree in social psychology from Park University and a Master's degree in criminal justice from the University of Cincinnati. She is a Nonviolence 365 Ambassador with the King Center for Nonviolent Social Change. Katherine has receved many awards, including the Equality in Advocacy Award from Ohio Victim Witness Association in 2018, the Social Justice Award from the Ohio Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Holiday Commission in 2021 and the Ohio Attorney General's Promising Practice Award in 2022. She was also a Diversability D-30 Disability Impact List Honoree for 2023. In 2023, the AACs were granted special consultative status to the United Nations, opening new doors to collaborations with international nonprofits, disability organizations and medical crisis responders around the world.

Students in Park University's social work, nursing and education departments took part in the exercise, which simulated a month of living at or below the poverty line. The simulation aimed to give students more empathy to clients, patients and students in difficult situations.

Show SummaryOn this episode, we're featuring a conversation with Shawn Moore, the Financial Wellness program Manager for the Elizabeth Dole Foundation and founder of Caregivers on the Homefront, both roles where she is passionate about advocating for military and veteran caregivers. About Today's GuestsShawn Moore serves as the Program Manager, Financial Wellness for the Elizabeth Dole Foundation where she supports financial and employment related initiatives, to include the Employer Task Force and emergency financial relief offerings. Shawn is an Alumna 2017 Dole Caregiver Fellow for Missouri, and has also assisted with the Foundation's Respite Relief program.Prior to becoming a caregiver to her husband who served for 23 years in the U.S. Army, Shawn served as a police officer for nearly 15 years with Kansas City, Missouri. She then obtained a Master of Social Work degree from Park University and is a Licensed Master Social Worker in both Missouri. Prior to joining the Foundation, Shawn founded Caregivers on the Homefront where she stood up for mental health programming for veteran and military caregivers and their children.Shawn is passionate about advocating for military and veteran caregivers and utilizes both her lived experience and education by presenting to national audiences on how communities can best support the family members of our veterans. She has served on panels with the Veterans Administration, presented with the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, the National Alliance of Caregiving, and has shared her story on PBS News Hours, TODAY Show, and MSNBC.Links Mentioned In This EpisodeElizabeth Dole FoundationEDF Hope Fund for Critical Financial AssistanceCaregivers on the HomefrontPsychArmor Resource of the WeekThis week's PsychArmor resource of the week is the PsychArmor course: VA S.A.V.E. Preventing Caregiver Suicide. After taking this course, you will develop an understanding of the increased risk for suicide we see in military and Veteran caregivers, identify the signs of an at-risk Veteran caregiver, and know steps you can take to help a Veteran caregiver. You can see find the course here:  https://learn.psycharmor.org/courses/va-save-preventing-caregiver-suicide This Episode Sponsored By: This episode is sponsored by PsychArmor. PsychArmor is the premier education and learning ecosystems specializing in military culture content PsychArmor offers an. Online e-learning laboratory that is free to individual  learners as well as custom training options for organizations. Contact Us and Join Us on Social Media Email PsychArmorPsychArmor on TwitterPsychArmor on FacebookPsychArmor on YouTubePsychArmor on LinkedInPsychArmor on InstagramTheme MusicOur theme music Don't Kill the Messenger was written and performed by Navy Veteran Jerry Maniscalco, in cooperation with Operation Encore, a non profit committed to supporting singer/songwriter and musicians across the military and Veteran communities.Producer and Host Duane France is a retired Army Noncommissioned Officer, combat veteran, and clinical mental health counselor for service members, veterans, and their families.  You can find more about the work that he is doing at www.veteranmentalhealth.com  

Coach Ciolek is the Strength and Conditioning coach and Assistant Athletic Director at Avila University Ciolek is the first Strength and Conditioning coach in the history of Avila Athletics.Before coming to Avila, Ciolek spent the previous five years as the Wellness, Strength and Conditioning Coordinator for Park University. During his time at Park he oversaw the strength and conditioning programs for the 2012 men's volleyball national championship team, 2013 runners-up team, a softball national tournament qualifier and two men's basketball national tournament qualifiers. He has been in the fitness industry for more than a decade which includes two and half years as a personal trainer and more recently at Heritage College as a Personal Training Instructor.He obtained his Masters of Science in Exercise Science with an emphasis in performance enhancement and injury prevention from California University of Pennsylvania in 2008. He also attended the University of Central Missouri where he graduated with a BS in Exercise Science with an emphasis in athletic training and 1,200 hours of experience with the University's football, basketball, and baseball teams.Ciolek is a Strength and Conditioning Coach-Certified through the Collegiate Strength and Conditioning Coaches Association by completing his practicum with the Mid-America Nazarene University football team.He is certified by the NSCA Strength with a CSCS, Tactical Strength and Conditioning Facilitator, and Registered Strength and Conditioning Coach. He was recently awarded an RSCC*D designation, signifying his continuous commitment to education and professional development.In addition, he has certifications of Performance Enhancement Specialist, Corrective Exercise Specialist, Mixed Martial Arts Conditioning Specialist by the National Academy of Sports Medicine and is Functional Movement Screen certified.Ciolek also has coaching certifications from USA Weightlifting (Sports Performance Coach), USA Track and Field (Level 1), US Soccer (D License), and United Soccer Coaches (Advanced Regional Diploma).He is an active member in the NSCA as an Exam Prep Live instructor and presenter at both the Kansas and Missouri state strength and conditioning conferences. He is also an approved mentor for the SCCC certification through the CSCCa.https://youtube.com/@platesandpancakes4593https://instagram.com/voodoo4power?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=https://voodoo4ranch.com/To possibly be a guest or support the show email Voodoo4ranch@gmail.comhttps://www.paypal.com/paypalme/voodoo4ranch

An intriguing look at the contributions of three Park University graduates on the Manhattan Project, the atomic bomb initiative that is at the center of the acclaimed film “Oppenheimer” with Professor of History and university archivist Dr. Tim Westcott. Fascinating and enjoyable!

With a unique blend of knowledge and expertise, Marshall MacFarlane is an accomplished Millwright/Industrial Mechanic and Facilities Management professional. Skilled in security, operations, emergency planning and construction teams, he has extensive experience in bringing new facilities online and managing Preventive & Predictive maintenance processes. Marshall is a published writer since 1984 and volunteer his time to various outdoors activities like hunting and fishing. Marshall's educational background includes two Bachelor's degrees from NAU (Emergency Management & Public Agency Administration) as well as Park University's MBA program. An avid Canadian Army Veteran, he now lives with his wife Karole and three dogs in Queen Creek.Check Out Marshall's Season 1 Appearance: Facilities Management to the Great Outdoors with Marshall Macfarlanehttps://www.linkedin.com/in/marshall-macfarlane-0a426518/https://desertratoutdoors.com/https://c-3engineering.com/Mac and Bleu is the hot new podcast dedicated to all things related to building Arizona. Topics discussed range from construction, economic development, supply chain, and market segments.Mac & Bleu also includes diversity in construction, local politics affecting construction, women in construction, construction technology, and more.The host JJ Levenske of Bleuwave have their finger on the pulse of the people building Arizona.The show brings in the brightest minds in their perspective positions and industries and JJ has the unique ability to touch on the subject matter that you want to hear.If you want to know who's building Arizona, tune in and subscribe to Mac and Bleu today!___________________________________________________________________________________JJ Levenske is a seasoned construction executive with over 30 years of experience in the commercial and industrial sectors.From pre-construction services to complex quality controls and close-outs, he brings a commitment to delivering the highest levels of professionalism and customer service.

Human beings are biophotonic, plasmatic discharges and oscillating waves of energy. Some of the biggest physical ailments people suffer from can be solved by focusing on this truth, and treating the illness with what's already within.   This is where Native Phage Therapy comes in. By seeing the body as its own biocomputer, it's possible to pinpoint where the “software” is corrupted and the corrective measures that can be taken.   How does this treatment help people with infections like Lyme Disease? How do we deal with emotional frequencies trapped in the body?   In this episode, Dr. David Jernigan shares the work he's doing, and where we're headed as a species.   When you're sending a phage to fight a bacteria, it's not just going to die readily, they'll fight inside your body. -Dr. David Jernigan   Three Things We Learned    - Pull away from the convenience of pharmaceuticals Are people actually getting treated by traditional medicine or being fed a drug-induced illusion of health?   - The effect of 5G networks isn't conspiracy theory anymore What's the link between our technological quantum leaps and the massive biological dysfunction we're seeing?    - How to deal with illness Can a lot of health issues be linked to spiritual amputation and stuck energy?    Guest Bio   Dr. David Jernigan is the Founder and Owner of Biologix Center. Dr. Jernigan is one of the country's top innovators of precision bioenergetic testing and treatment technologies, with his most recent innovation, INPT (Induced Native Phage Therapy) possibly being one of his most important technologies to date. Dr. Jernigan is constantly pushing the limits of research and development with a passion to get ever closer to 100% cure rate. Dr. Jernigan was the first to publish a book on the natural treatment of people suffering from post-treatment Lyme Disease and is a published author of five books, with his best-seller being, “Beating Lyme Disease, 2nd Edition”  Dr. Jernigan is nationally recognized as a leader in the purest form of medical treatment philosophy, Biological and Bioregulatory Medicine. For 25 years Dr. Jernigan has only treated the toughest cases, with almost 90% of patients coming from other states and countries for his unique testing and treatments. He has trained doctors to utilize his powerful new technologies in his flagship clinic, the Biologix Center for Optimum Health, in Franklin, Tennessee, specializing in the treatment of chronic illness and previously considered incurable cases. He received his Bachelor's degree in Nutrition at Park University, graduating with honors, and his doctorate in Chiropractic Medicine at Cleveland University-Kansas City. He is a board-certified Doctor of Natural Medicine with an emphasis on chronic infections and chronic illness. Post-Graduate studies include natural and Anthroposophical medicine in Germany and Biological Medicine with the famed-father of European Biological Medicine, Dr. Thomas Rau, MD, of the Paracelsus Clinic of Switzerland. He is board-certified in Botanical Medicine through the University of Colorado, School of Pharmacy, and trains doctors in advanced homeopathy and bioenergetic medicine. Dr. Jernigan invented several advancements upon medical science, Biospectral Emission Sequence Testing, Matrix Interface Resonance Scanning, Fractal Frequency Modulation, NeuroPhotonic Therapy, Induced Native Phage Therapy, and NeuroCardial Synchronization. For more information, head to https://biologixcenter.com/ or call 855-955-1395.

This week the I am reading from Gary Heseltine's book 'NON-HUMAN: The Rendlesham Forest UFO Incidents: 42 Years of Denial' and Terry Lovelace's book 'FREE FALL: An American Near-Death Experience'.Gary HeseltineNon-Human The Rendlesham Forest UFO Incidents: Forty-Two Years of Denialtells the hugely complicated story of what is now considered to be the second most famous UFO case in history after Roswell in 1947. Gary Heseltine is a former police detective and UFO investigator and researcher. He has used his skills to re-investigate the case literally from day one after the events had taken place. With over five years of research, he has examined virtually everything ever published about the case, and in the process has discovered a wealth of material. Much of which has not featured widely in the public domain, and he lays out the 'true context' around it for you, the public to read.In addition, he has collected explosive new witness testimony from many of the military personnel who were involved in the various incidents that took place, both in the forest, and on the bases in the last days of December 1980. He has also obtained amazing new military testimony from a previously unknown witness that is presented in the book for the very first time. Non-Human also delves deep into the murky 'politics' world of the Rendlesham Forest Incident, and presents information that suggests that the narrative of the case may have been 'controlled' by a small number of people for over a quarter of a century. The author also makes the argument, that both the military and governments of the UK and the US, have downplayed the true significance of the case since it became known. Non-Human lays out the best evidence for the public to see collectively for the very first time. Let the evidence fall where it falls.BioGary Heseltine is the founder and editor of UFO Truth Magazine and is based in the UK. Born in 1960, he spent 6 years in the Royal Air Force Police (1983-89) before joining the British Transport Police in 1989. He went on to complete an almost 24 year career before retiring early in 2013 to follow his passion for researching UFOs. For most of his police service he served as a Detective Constable, working on all manner of enquiries including murder, manslaughter and rape. He became an Advanced police interviewer of witnesses and suspects, and in that specialist role he was involved in the 2005, London Bombings terrorist enquiry, where he interviewed a number of first responding BTP officers, to three of the four crime scenes. In 2010 he was awarded the PRG Disclosure Award in Washington D.C. for his work with police officers, and in 2012 he was presented with the EXO Politics Great Britain award for his research. He then appeared at the prestigious 2013 Citizen Hearings, at the National Press Club in Washington D.C. USA, speaking on behalf of police officers worldwide. As one of nine researchers he gave testimony before the Brazilian Senate in June 2022, where he stated that he believed some UFO/UAP events were likely to be extraterrestrial or non-human in origin. Gary is also the Vice President of ICER (International Coalition for Extraterrestrial Research), an international NGO comprising scientists, academics and leading UAP researchers with national representatives in 30 countries. Amazon https://rb.gy/8oz1wwww.ufotruthmagazine.co.uk www.prufospolicedatabase.co.ukTerry LovelaceThis week I am talking to Terry Lovelace about his book 'FREE FALL: An American Near-Death Experience'.Nearing seventy years of age, I am a retired lawyer, former assistant attorney general, and bestselling author. I've never had a near-death experience. I experienced the phenomenon vicariously through two very credible women who've made this extraordinary journey firsthand. It's my great privilege to share their stories in this compilation narrative. Both contributors are medical doctors aged 48 and 62 years. Both were without a heartbeat for four and thirty-two minutes, respectively, before being resuscitated. Both returned to this life with enhanced psychic and mediumship abilities. One donates her increased intuitive skills to law enforcement to help find missing children. Both have lost all fear of dying, and as a result, they likewise lost all fear of living. I think the latter is the greater gift. As a former agnostic, these stories changed my view of the afterlife. They confirm for me the existence of a divine creator, whether called God, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, the Great Spirit, Source, the Universe, Consciousness, or any of the hundreds of names used across the world and in various faiths and cultures.BioTerry Lovelace is a six year veteran of the USAF where he served as a medic and EMT from 1973 to 1979. He has a bachelor's degree in psychology with honors from Park University in Kansas City, Missouri. He completed a law degree from Western Michigan and passed the Michigan State Bar Examination. He was also admitted to the bar in Vermont and the US Territory of American Samoa. His legal career began in private practice until his appointment as an assistant attorney general for the U.S. Territory of American Samoa, he also served as State's Attorney for Vermont Board of Medical Practice until his 2012 retirement. He and a friend were abducted from Devils Den State Park in NW Arkansas in June 1977 while remote camping. They were both on active duty at the time. What followed were 40+ years of nightmares, phobias, and PTSD-like issues which continue to this day. In 2012 a routine leg x-ray discovered two anomalous objects in his leg. The x-rays are on his website at terrylovelace.com. That event was his catalyst to write two books and speak publicly about his experiences.For fear of losing his job and the respect of his peers in the legal community, he waited until 2018 to self-publish INCIDENT AT DEVILS DEN, a #1 Bestseller on Amazon with 700+ Reviews at 4.8/5.0. His second book, DEVILS DEN: THE RECKONING was published the week of Christmas 2020. It was #1 in New Releases immediately and hit #1 Bestseller status on February 10th. He was a guest lecturer with Leslie Kean, Author and NY Times contributor at Rice University in Houston, Texas in November 2019.He's spoken at the UFO Congress in 2018, Contact in the Desert in 2019 and 2021, The Roswell UFO Festival 2019, UFO Con in Dallas in 2020, Alien Con in San Francisco in 2020, The Ascension Conference in Sedona in 2021, and the Ozark Digital Conference in 2021. His story was featured on a television episode of the Travel Channel's “MY HORROR STORY” which originally aired in November 2019, and “UFO ENCOUNTERS” aired in Canada in August 2021.Terry is a graduate of THE WELLNESS INSTITUTE in Graham, Washington where he successfully completed their program in hypnotherapy. He is currently performing hypnotherapy for experiencers who are struggling with memories from an ET encounter. He has done numerous past life regressions with amazing results.Since March 2018 he's been a radio/podcast guest 100+ times.Amazon https://rb.gy/y4nsfhttps://www.terrylovelace.com/http://www.pastliveshypnosis.co.uk/https://www.patreon.com/pastlivespodcast

This week I am talking to Terry Lovelace about his book 'FREE FALL: An American Near-Death Experience'.Nearing seventy years of age, I am a retired lawyer, former assistant attorney general, and bestselling author. I've never had a near-death experience. I experienced the phenomenon vicariously through two very credible women who've made this extraordinary journey firsthand. It's my great privilege to share their stories in this compilation narrative. Both contributors are medical doctors aged 48 and 62 years. Both were without a heartbeat for four and thirty-two minutes, respectively, before being resuscitated. Both returned to this life with enhanced psychic and mediumship abilities. One donates her increased intuitive skills to law enforcement to help find missing children. Both have lost all fear of dying, and as a result, they likewise lost all fear of living. I think the latter is the greater gift. As a former agnostic, these stories changed my view of the afterlife. They confirm for me the existence of a divine creator, whether called God, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, the Great Spirit, Source, the Universe, Consciousness, or any of the hundreds of names used across the world and in various faiths and cultures.BioTerry Lovelace is a six year veteran of the USAF where he served as a medic and EMT from 1973 to 1979. He has a bachelor's degree in psychology with honors from Park University in Kansas City, Missouri. He completed a law degree from Western Michigan and passed the Michigan State Bar Examination. He was also admitted to the bar in Vermont and the US Territory of American Samoa. His legal career began in private practice until his appointment as an assistant attorney general for the U.S. Territory of American Samoa, he also served as State's Attorney for Vermont Board of Medical Practice until his 2012 retirement. He and a friend were abducted from Devils Den State Park in NW Arkansas in June 1977 while remote camping. They were both on active duty at the time. What followed were 40+ years of nightmares, phobias, and PTSD-like issues which continue to this day. In 2012 a routine leg x-ray discovered two anomalous objects in his leg. The x-rays are on his website at terrylovelace.com. That event was his catalyst to write two books and speak publicly about his experiences.For fear of losing his job and the respect of his peers in the legal community, he waited until 2018 to self-publish INCIDENT AT DEVILS DEN, a #1 Bestseller on Amazon with 700+ Reviews at 4.8/5.0. His second book, DEVILS DEN: THE RECKONING was published the week of Christmas 2020. It was #1 in New Releases immediately and hit #1 Bestseller status on February 10th. He was a guest lecturer with Leslie Kean, Author and NY Times contributor at Rice University in Houston, Texas in November 2019.He's spoken at the UFO Congress in 2018, Contact in the Desert in 2019 and 2021, The Roswell UFO Festival 2019, UFO Con in Dallas in 2020, Alien Con in San Francisco in 2020, The Ascension Conference in Sedona in 2021, and the Ozark Digital Conference in 2021. His story was featured on a television episode of the Travel Channel's “MY HORROR STORY” which originally aired in November 2019, and “UFO ENCOUNTERS” aired in Canada in August 2021.Terry is a graduate of THE WELLNESS INSTITUTE in Graham, Washington where he successfully completed their program in hypnotherapy. He is currently performing hypnotherapy for experiencers who are struggling with memories from an ET encounter. He has done numerous past life regressions with amazing results.Amazon https://rb.gy/y4nsfhttps://www.terrylovelace.com/http://www.pastliveshypnosis.co.uk/https://www.patreon.com/pastlivespodcast

Year Three Of 2ND CONTACT READY... Welcome to episode #166! On this episode, we continue with our conversation on the topic of reflection with our friend Chip Huth Chip Huth Bio: In addition to serving as a senior consultant with Arbinger, Charles “Chip” Huth is a Major with the Kansas City, Missouri, Police Department. He has 28 years of law enforcement experience, commands KCPD's Traffic Division, and is the State of Missouri's defensive tactics subject matter expert. He also consults for international law enforcement, military, and corporate clients. He formerly led the Street Crimes Unit Tactical Enforcement Squad and has planned, coordinated, and executed over 2500 high-risk tactical operations. Chip's speeches are entertaining and inspiring, linking his law enforcement experiences with Arbinger principles. He leads audiences through incredibly powerful stories, weaving in lessons about mindset change and answering the question, “How does this mindset stuff work in real life?” His energy and the applicability of his stories leave audiences excited and motivated to create change in their lives and work. Chip regularly gives keynotes and other presentations to law enforcement, corporate, government, and other audiences. A few of these engagements include speeches at TEDx, WINx, police departments nationwide, U.S. Army Medical Command, and U.S. Air Force Aviation Commands. Chip is also an accomplished author: He co-wrote Unleashing the Power of Unconditional Respect—Transforming Law Enforcement and Police Training, a textbook used in officer development and graduate programs Chip has a bachelor's degree in multi-disciplinary studies from Grantham University and an associate's degree in political science from Park University. He is the former president of the National Law Enforcement Training Center, a not-for-profit corporation dedicated to delivering effective training to the international law enforcement, corrections, security, and military communities. He has 35 years of experience in martial arts and is a veteran of the U.S. Army.   Credits Voiceover introduction and exit: Mike Huth Host: Tanner Brock Guest: Chip Huth

Year Three Of 2ND CONTACT READY... Welcome to episode #165! On this episode, we continue with our conversation on the topic of reflection with our friend Chip Huth Chip Huth Bio: In addition to serving as a senior consultant with Arbinger, Charles “Chip” Huth is a Major with the Kansas City, Missouri, Police Department. He has 28 years of law enforcement experience, commands KCPD's Traffic Division, and is the State of Missouri's defensive tactics subject matter expert. He also consults for international law enforcement, military, and corporate clients. He formerly led the Street Crimes Unit Tactical Enforcement Squad and has planned, coordinated, and executed over 2500 high-risk tactical operations. Chip's speeches are entertaining and inspiring, linking his law enforcement experiences with Arbinger principles. He leads audiences through incredibly powerful stories, weaving in lessons about mindset change and answering the question, “How does this mindset stuff work in real life?” His energy and the applicability of his stories leave audiences excited and motivated to create change in their lives and work. Chip regularly gives keynotes and other presentations to law enforcement, corporate, government, and other audiences. A few of these engagements include speeches at TEDx, WINx, police departments nationwide, U.S. Army Medical Command, and U.S. Air Force Aviation Commands. Chip is also an accomplished author: He co-wrote Unleashing the Power of Unconditional Respect—Transforming Law Enforcement and Police Training, a textbook used in officer development and graduate programs Chip has a bachelor's degree in multi-disciplinary studies from Grantham University and an associate's degree in political science from Park University. He is the former president of the National Law Enforcement Training Center, a not-for-profit corporation dedicated to delivering effective training to the international law enforcement, corrections, security, and military communities. He has 35 years of experience in martial arts and is a veteran of the U.S. Army.   Credits Voiceover introduction and exit: Mike Huth Host: Tanner Brock Guest: Chip Huth

I had the honor of sitting down and interviewing one of my mentors. Donna Latson Gittens, Founder and CEO of MORE Advertising.   We first met back in my Red Sox days when Donna served as a consultant who later went on to win the first Annual Jackie Robinson Award for Most Valuable Diverse Business Partner from the Boston Red Sox.  I was always and still am in awe of Donna starting and running a successful business. Not to mention the added layers of being a black woman in Boston!   Listen in as we dive head-first into: How race impacted how she approached building her business  How she learned not to take things personally and lived by a philosophy of if someone told her “no” they really weren't talking to her Why and how she has four Boston Red Sox World Series Championship Rings How she got a contract with the Boston Red Sox three years into her business Her inspiring advice on the power of living outside your bubble  And you know there is so much more.    Connect with Jahaan:  Learn more about working with Jahaan and see if it's the right fit for you: https://JahaanBlakeAppointmentScheduling.as.me/LetsTalk Join Jahaan's VIP Email List: https://bit.ly/3yccwAP  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jahaanblake/ Email: jblake@jahaanblake.com Website: https://jahaanblake.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahaanblake/   Links: Cantu Beauty: https://www.cantubeauty.com/  Maria Tallchief: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Tallchief    Connect with Donna: Email: dgittens@moreadvertising.com Website: https://www.donnalatsongittens.com/  Donna Latson Gittens, Founder and CEO of MORE Advertising in Watertown, left a successful broadcasting career at WCVB-TV to pursue her long-time passion for launching a media and marketing firm to promote critical social issues and support mission-driven public, private, and nonprofit organizations.  Her firm, located in Watertown, is known as “The Agency of Change” and focuses on social marketing campaigns to promote changes in behavior and attitude. Gittens launched the company following a ground-breaking, twenty-year career as a corporate executive at WCVB-TV (Boston's ABC affiliate) an innovator in community programming. Donna's public position, activism, and expertise in social change prompted countless invitations for her to chair or join panel discussions, present keynote speeches, and participate on numerous committees. She is a Board member of The Village Bank, Newton; also serves on the Executive Committee of the Associated Industries of Massachusetts and is a member on the Cummings Foundation Final Grant Selection Committee. Her professional associations include The Boston Club and the International Women's Forum of Massachusetts. Donna's numerous awards and honors include: the Pinnacle Award for Achievement in Entrepreneurship presented by the Women's Network of the Greater Boston Chamber of Commerce; the 1st Annual Jackie Robinson Award for Most Valuable Diverse Business Partner from the Boston Red Sox and Major League Baseball; The Boston Club Women in Business Racial Equity Award; Alex Cora Leadership Award presented by the Boston Area Church League, a program of the Boston Red Sox; and winner of the 1st Annual Shark Tank competition held in 2014 by the Greater New England Minority Supplier Development Council.  She is also an enormously proud owner of four Boston Red Sox World Series Championship rings. Ms. Latson Gittens holds a BA from Park University, an MBA from Northeastern University, and an honorary doctorate degree from Elms College in Springfield MA. She is a frequent keynote speaker, host, and moderator for corporate and community organizations. (donnalatsongittens.com) Her passion is mentoring young women and female entrepreneurs.    Music By:  Quanzaa 

ren Perkins is an educator, motivator, coach, wife, mother, sister, friend, daughter and great listener to name a few of her titles. She has earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in elementary education from Drury University in Springfield, Missouri; a Master of Arts degree in education with emphasis on at-risk education from Park University in Parkville, Missouri; and a Master of Arts degree in early childhood education from University of Phoenix in Phoenix, Arizona. She is founder and CEO of Perfectly U which is a Ministry that helps busy moms be all that they can be mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually and financially. Karen has also started the Teacher Burnout Is Real! movement, which is a support system for teachers. She hosts a weekly Teacher Burnout Is Real podcast on Spotify, where she shares tips and resources as well. Karen has worked extensively in churches throughout the years. She is currently a member of Friendship Baptist Church of Kansas City, Missouri. She serves as chairperson of the Naomi/Ruth circle of the Woman's Missionary Union at Friendship, and leads the Shine children's ministry for elementary school-aged children. Karen is the wife of Reverend James Perkins and mother of Audrey. In her spare time she likes to do word puzzles, logic puzzles and Sudoku number puzzles to keep her mind sharp. Above everything listed previously Karen's proudest title is God's beloved daughter. She enjoys using her gifts and talents to glorify her father and bring others into the kingdom.

This week the I am reading from John Russell's book 'A Knock in the Attic: True Ghost Stories & Other Spine-chilling Paranormal Adventures' and 'Devils Den: The Reckoning' by Terry Lovelace.John RussellWhen I was five years old I was awakened by an intrusive ghost who not only scared the wits out of me but who also opened up a portal that activated my psychic gifts and allowed a never-ending parade of paranormal manifestations to occur in my life.A Knock in the Attic is my story, not only about my psychic awakening and the abundance of mind-blowing otherworldly confrontations I've experienced, but also about the life lessons those many supernatural encounters have taught me. I've learned that our loved ones who have crossed over, as well as our beloved deceased pets, can give us convincing proofs that life continues after death, sometimes even returning to visit us...in the flesh!I've discovered that Guardian Angels are indeed real, having been protected from certain death many times by their loving and watchful power. I developed healing abilities that greatly benefitted others and yet left me confounded by my own incapability when it came to dealing with my serious personal health issues. I've seen bizarre doppelgängers; experienced continual ghostly activity of an unbelievable and incredible nature; had spirits steal things from me and also bring me gifts; and lived through many more circumstances that will boggle your mind and challenge your perceptions about the psychic and spiritual realms.I'll tell you what it was like to meet Uri Geller, to film a TV pilot for The History Channel, and give you a behind-the-scenes look at some paranormal investigations I conducted that revealed incredible facts. I will also describe my own "UFO encounter" at the Roswell UFO Museum.In spite of this exceedingly close contact with the realm of Spirit--or maybe because of it--somewhere along the way I lost my faith and gave up on myself, my psychic gifts, and the beings on the Other Side; but they didn't give up on me, and that's why I'm still here to tell you my story.Now I'm happy to share these amazing events with you, wishing that you will find inspiration, insight, encouragement, laughter, hope, and maybe even a renewed faith of your own. You may have more than a few spine-tingling moments as you join me to experience these astonishing true stories of the unknown.BioJohn Russell has been a professional psychic for 50 years.He is a Psychic/Psychic Reader, a Medium, a Certified T.A.R.O.T. Master, a Paranormal Investigator, and now a published Author. Internationally known, he has provided psychic readings for clients in over 40 countries.For over 15 years he has been a popular featured guest, heard worldwide, on many radio shows and podcasts, including: Coast to Coast AM with George Noory; The Unexplained with Howard Hughes (UK); Beyond Reality with JV Johnson; The Leak Project with Rex Bear; FATE Magazine Radio with Kat Hobson; Beyond the Darkness with David Schrader of TV's The Holzer Files; The Singularity Lab with Michael Mataluni; and many more.John also filmed a TV pilot for The History Channel in which he psychically explored the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln.Thanks to a visit from a ghost John became aware of his psychic abilities when he was about 6 years old. By around age 12 he was conducting his own paranormal investigations and research. He began to give readings to friends and family in his early teens, and by the age of 18 he was reading professionally.In September of 2020 John released his first book, “Riding with Ghosts, Angels, and the Spirits of the Dead,” which has become an award-winning multicategory best seller, winning a Silver Award from the Non Fiction Authors Association as well as a Bronze Medal from the Readers' Favorite International Book Awards Contest.In February of 2021 John released his second book, “A Knock in the Attic,” which has also become an award-winning multicategory best seller, winning a Gold Award from the Non Fiction Authors Association.John continues to provide psychic readings for his worldwide clientele, conducts paranormal research and investigations, is heard worldwide as a featured guest on podcasts and radio.https://www.amazon.com/Knock-Attic-Spine-chilling-Paranormal-Adventures-ebook/dp/B08WM2MZHW/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1680254749&sr=8-1https://atdaylong.tripod.com/index.htmlTerry LovelaceFrom bestselling author Terry Lovelace, Esq, DEVILS DEN: THE RECKONING begins with candid memories from a lifetime or experiences with ETs. He recalls early childhood abductions and his interactions with a hybrid entity he called "Sue." THE RECKONING is all new facts, images and content never before shared with the public. It tells the true story of the sad decline and mysterious death of Tobias. It includes a chapter that had been excluded from "Incident at Devils Den ..." that tells the poignent story of Terry's cousin Gerald who endured his own childhood ET visitations and an eventual tragic outcome. Also, the true tale of Terry and his friend Ernest, who at eight years of age "borrowed" dad's handgun in an illconceived plan to shoot dead the ETs that terrified him in his room at night. Plus, recent revelations from Betty are disclosed and the December 8th "disclosure" from a retired Israeli general and academic, Haim Eshed, is discussed.THE RECKONING gives details and anectdotal evidence of an abduction from Terry's Dallas home on April 16, 2019 at 5:55 AM. Color photographs of UFOs taken near his home and satellite images of their 1977 campsite at Devild Den State Park in NW Arkansas are also included.THE RECKONING shares 30 short narratives presented as numbered "Cases" #1 through #30. These are stories distilled from 1,400+ emails submitted by readers of INCIDENT AT DEVILS DEN in the US, South Africa and Australia. Each narrative shares a unique and poignant telling of the reader's own encounter with the unknown. There are tales of screen memories and missing time, a stolen fetus, UFO sightings, mind control and alien abductions. Each story is told in the experiencer's words and vetted for veracity. Most are a compilation of many emails and telephone calls to establish the contributor's credibility. This is a collection of the best of the best from 1,400 stories shared by readers of "Incident at Devils Den ...." Below is a brief synopsis of the introduction to Case #1, "The Christmas Store," shared by a widowed retiree who goes by "Olivia."Dear Mr. Lovelace,My late husband Paul and I had an experience in March of 1968. I've never shared this story with anyone other than my sister and Paul's parents. I was a housewife and Paul was a nephrologist (a kidney doctor) who worked in private practice. We had friends in Reno, Nevada and about every month we'd make the drive from Vegas to Reno to share a weekend with friends. We always stopped in a little town called Tonopah about half-way to Reno. We'd stretch a bit, get fuel and have dinner. It was called "The Stagecoach." I believe it's still there. On this night we were three hours later than usual because Paul had been tied up at the hospital. After dinner and fuel we got back on the road about 9:00 PM and headed for Reno. About 10 miles out of town we were surprised to see a new store. It was a Christmas store. I had never before seen a store solely devoted to the holiday. The store appeared to be open as there was brilliant white light pouring out of the windows. The whole structure was draped in Christmas tree lights in assorted colors, some blinking and others not. I asked Paul to pull over. We were both mesmerized. He pulled onto the shoulder directly in front of the store. It sat back from the road a ways and the lights were incredible. It was odd. There was no parking lot! It was just sand and sagebrush. We saw no other cars, but someone was inside because we could see motion and movement through the windows. Paul noted there was no driveway for an entrance. I remarked, "Who would build a store without an egress or a parking lot?" We sat on the shoulder of the highway in front of the store for some minutes until Paul said, "This is a waste of time," and he pulled back onto the road. Because my husband worked so many hour we usual spent time during the drive to just chat and catch up on things. But not this night. This night was very different....BioTerry Lovelace is a six year veteran of the USAF where he served as a medic and EMT from 1973 to 1979. He has a bachelor's degree in psychology with honors from Park University in Kansas City, Missouri. He completed a law degree from Western Michigan and passed the Michigan State Bar Examination. He was also admitted to the bar in Vermont and the US Territory of American Samoa. His legal career began in private practice until his appointment as an assistant attorney general for the U.S. Territory of American Samoa, he also served as State's Attorney for Vermont Board of Medical Practice until his 2012 retirement. He and a friend were abducted from Devils Den State Park in NW Arkansas in June 1977 while remote camping. They were both on active duty at the time. What followed were 40+ years of nightmares, phobias, and PTSD-like issues which continue to this day. In 2012 a routine leg x-ray discovered two anomalous objects in his leg. The x-rays are on his website at terrylovelace.com. https://www.amazon.com/Incident-Devils-story-Terry-Lovelace-ebook/dp/B07B7HMPPZ/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1653037004&sr=8-1https://www.terrylovelace.com/http://www.pastliveshypnosis.co.uk/https://www.patreon.com/pastlivespodcast

This week I am talking to Terry Lovelace about his book 'Devils Den: The Reckoning'.From bestselling author Terry Lovelace, Esq, DEVILS DEN: THE RECKONING begins with candid memories from a lifetime of experiences with ETs. He recalls early childhood abductions and his interactions with a hybrid entity he called "Sue." THE RECKONING is all new facts, images and content never before shared with the public. It tells the true story of the sad decline and mysterious death of Tobias. It includes a chapter that had been excluded from "Incident at Devils Den ..." that tells the poignent story of Terry's cousin Gerald who endured his own childhood ET visitations and an eventual tragic outcome. Also, the true tale of Terry and his friend Ernest, who at eight years of age "borrowed" dad's handgun in an illconceived plan to shoot dead the ETs that terrified him in his room at night. Plus, recent revelations from Betty are disclosed and the December 8th "disclosure" from a retired Israeli general and academic, Haim Eshed, is discussed.THE RECKONING gives details and anectdotal evidence of an abduction from Terry's Dallas home on April 16, 2019 at 5:55 AM. Color photographs of UFOs taken near his home and satellite images of their 1977 campsite at Devild Den State Park in NW Arkansas are also included.THE RECKONING shares 30 short narratives presented as numbered "Cases" #1 through #30. These are stories distilled from 1,400+ emails submitted by readers of INCIDENT AT DEVILS DEN in the US, South Africa and Australia. Each narrative shares a unique and poignant telling of the reader's own encounter with the unknown. There are tales of screen memories and missing time, a stolen fetus, UFO sightings, mind control and alien abductions. Each story is told in the experiencer's words and vetted for veracity. Most are a compilation of many emails and telephone calls to establish the contributor's credibility. This is a collection of the best of the best from 1,400 stories shared by readers of "Incident at Devils Den ...."Below is a brief synopsis of the introduction to Case #1, "The Christmas Store," shared by a widowed retiree who goes by "Olivia."Dear Mr. Lovelace,My late husband Paul and I had an experience in March of 1968. I've never shared this story with anyone other than my sister and Paul's parents. I was a housewife and Paul was a nephrologist (a kidney doctor) who worked in private practice. We had friends in Reno, Nevada and about every month we'd make the drive from Vegas to Reno to share a weekend with friends. We always stopped in a little town called Tonopah about half-way to Reno. We'd stretch a bit, get fuel and have dinner. It was called "The Stagecoach." I believe it's still there. On this night we were three hours later than usual because Paul had been tied up at the hospital. After dinner and fuel we got back on the road about 9:00 PM and headed for Reno. About 10 miles out of town we were surprised to see a new store. It was a Christmas store. I had never before seen a store solely devoted to the holiday. The store appeared to be open as there was brilliant white light pouring out of the windows. The whole structure was draped in Christmas tree lights in assorted colors, some blinking and others not. I asked Paul to pull over. We were both mesmerized. He pulled onto the shoulder directly in front of the store. It sat back from the road a ways and the lights were incredible. It was odd. There was no parking lot! It was just sand and sagebrush. We saw no other cars, but someone was inside because we could see motion and movement through the windows. Paul noted there was no driveway for an entrance. I remarked, "Who would build a store without an egress or a parking lot?" We sat on the shoulder of the highway in front of the store for some minutes until Paul said, "This is a waste of time," and he pulled back onto the road. Because my husband worked so many hour we usual spent time during the drive to just chat and catch up on things. But not this night. This night was very different....BioTerry Lovelace is a six year veteran of the USAF where he served as a medic and EMT from 1973 to 1979. He has a bachelor's degree in psychology with honors from Park University in Kansas City, Missouri. He completed a law degree from Western Michigan and passed the Michigan State Bar Examination. He was also admitted to the bar in Vermont and the US Territory of American Samoa. His legal career began in private practice until his appointment as an assistant attorney general for the U.S. Territory of American Samoa, he also served as State's Attorney for Vermont Board of Medical Practice until his 2012 retirement. He and a friend were abducted from Devils Den State Park in NW Arkansas in June 1977 while remote camping. They were both on active duty at the time. What followed were 40+ years of nightmares, phobias, and PTSD-like issues which continue to this day. In 2012 a routine leg x-ray discovered two anomalous objects in his leg. The x-rays are on his website at terrylovelace.com. That event was his catalyst to write two books and speak publicly about his experiences.For fear of losing his job and the respect of his peers in the legal community, he waited until 2018 to self-publish INCIDENT AT DEVILS DEN, a #1 Bestseller on Amazon with 700+ Reviews at 4.8/5.0. His second book, DEVILS DEN: THE RECKONING was published the week of Christmas 2020. It was #1 in New Releases immediately and hit #1 Bestseller status on February 10th. He was a guest lecturer with Leslie Kean, Author and NY Times contributor at Rice University in Houston, Texas in November 2019.He's spoken at the UFO Congress in 2018, Contact in the Desert in 2019 and 2021, The Roswell UFO Festival 2019, UFO Con in Dallas in 2020, Alien Con in San Francisco in 2020, The Ascension Conference in Sedona in 2021, and the Ozark Digital Conference in 2021. His story was featured on a television episode of the Travel Channel's “MY HORROR STORY” which originally aired in November 2019, and “UFO ENCOUNTERS” aired in Canada in August 2021.Terry is a graduate of THE WELLNESS INSTITUTE in Graham, Washington where he successfully completed their program in hypnotherapy. He is currently performing hypnotherapy for experiencers who are struggling with memories from an ET encounter. He has done numerous past life regressions with amazing results.Since March 2018 he's been a radio/podcast guest 100+ times.https://www.amazon.com/Incident-Devils-story-Terry-Lovelace-ebook/dp/B07B7HMPPZ/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1653037004&sr=8-1https://www.terrylovelace.com/http://www.pastliveshypnosis.co.uk/https://www.patreon.com/alienufopodcast

Eddy Dacius host the Divine Purpose Podcast. DPPodcast is a platform for healthy conversations, interviews, and interactions with callers. We all have different opinions; however, the truth is the ultimate mediator. SPECIAL GUEST Dr. Nicole Price is the CEO of Lively Paradox, a professional training and coaching business based in the heart of the United States. A few years ago, Dr. Nicole would have been the last to tell a leader to practice empathy. Today, her work brings compassion to nationwide boardrooms and creates more substantial, sustainable companies. Today, Dr. Nicole knows that empathy can and should be taught to even the most dyed-in-the-wool cynics corporate boardrooms have to offer. Her company is responsible for success stories across the country, and these organizations have created and retained powerful workforces through empathy and boosted their bottom lines. Dr. Nicole holds a B.S. in Chemical Engineering from North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University, a Master's in Education from Park University, and an Educational Doctorate in Leadership from Capella University. “My audience of human resource personnel would laugh and laud me afterward for my great presentation,” she remembers. “Yes, that's right, people working in human resources ate up my take-no-prisoners leadership methods.” This was her philosophy until a fateful meeting at an airport. Dr. Nicole half overheard, half eavesdropped on a conversation this man had with someone from his office. He was trying to hold someone accountable for their responsibilities and commitments. After he hung up, Dr. Nicole said, “Dude, you should fire everybody. None of those people seem like they're committed to the work.” The man laughed and introduced himself. He was Dr. Ian Roberts, the author of Radical Empathy in Leadership. The relationship forged at this moment would change Dr. Nicole's life and the course of countless businesses. Dr. Nicole Price gets it. She understands that if leadership is anything, it is personal, and everyone can be a great leader — everyone can lead their whole life. So she gets emotional. Dr. Price's transparency allows others to learn from her mistakes and helps them avoid the same pitfalls. She gets real. She will tell you, yes, having differences within a team can be more challenging, but that hard work can pay off professionally and personally. And she gets wise. She'll tell you, in a heartbeat, how she's gotten a few things wrong over the years, but a little grace and some solid coaching saved her. Can you make mistakes and still be an excellent leader? Is it possible to lead effectively with so many personalities on one team? Can you genuinely lead people and still have a decent life and energy left to live it? If you ask Dr. Price, the answer is absolute yes. Dr. Price encourages others to live excellently through leadership development, coaching, consulting, keynotes, and other resources. Her energetic and engaging sessions give participants strategies and specific tools they can apply immediately. Her lively presentation style garners rave reviews and, very often, an invitation to return. Dr. Price received her B.S. in chemical engineering from North Carolina A&T University, her master's degree in adult education from Park University, and her doctorate in leadership and management from Capella University. For more information about Dr. Price and Lively Paradox programs, please visit www.livelyparadox.com/our-team. Social Twitter: @DrNicolePrice Facebook: Dr. Nicole Price LinkedIn: Dr. Nicole Price Website:www.drnicoleprice.com THANK YOU FOR WATCHING!   -----------------------------STAY CONNECTED -------------------------

Year Three Of 2ND CONTACT READY... Welcome to episode #164! On this episode, we continue with our conversation on the topic of reflection with our friend Chip Huth  Chip Huth Bio:  In addition to serving as a senior consultant with Arbinger, Charles “Chip” Huth is a Major with the Kansas City, Missouri, Police Department. He has 28 years of law enforcement experience, commands KCPD's Traffic Division, and is the State of Missouri's defensive tactics subject matter expert. He also consults for international law enforcement, military, and corporate clients. He formerly led the Street Crimes Unit Tactical Enforcement Squad and has planned, coordinated, and executed over 2500 high-risk tactical operations. Chip's speeches are entertaining and inspiring, linking his law enforcement experiences with Arbinger principles. He leads audiences through incredibly powerful stories, weaving in lessons about mindset change and answering the question, “How does this mindset stuff work in real life?” His energy and the applicability of his stories leave audiences excited and motivated to create change in their lives and work. Chip regularly gives keynotes and other presentations to law enforcement, corporate, government, and other audiences. A few of these engagements include speeches at TEDx, WINx, police departments nationwide, U.S. Army Medical Command, and U.S. Air Force Aviation Commands. Chip is also an accomplished author: He co-wrote Unleashing the Power of Unconditional Respect—Transforming Law Enforcement and Police Training, a textbook used in officer development and graduate programs Chip has a bachelor's degree in multi-disciplinary studies from Grantham University and an associate's degree in political science from Park University. He is the former president of the National Law Enforcement Training Center, a not-for-profit corporation dedicated to delivering effective training to the international law enforcement, corrections, security, and military communities. He has 35 years of experience in martial arts and is a veteran of the U.S. Army.   Credits Voiceover introduction and exit: Mike Huth Host: Tanner Brock  Guest: Chip Huth 

As you may know — as we've mentioned on previous episodes — one early goal of this podcast was to introduce you to the great leaders who speak to our C-10 Mentoring & Leadership group once a month. Another early goal was to introduce you to the incredible mentors in the C-10 program.Well, this week, we're combining both.Several months ago, C-10 Curriculum Committee Chair — and occasional guest host of the C-10 Podcast — Max Utsler interviewed two of our mentors, Lina Baquero and Lenin Guerra, as that month's guest speakers.Although we've interviewed mentors as guest speakers before, these two had special stories to share as they had two of the farthest journeys to come to the Midwest. And each came to the United States in similar fashion — around the age of 17 or 18, right after high school…the same age as our C-10 students — and came alone, as each came to this area to attend college on athletic scholarships.One of our C words is COURAGE. Think about the COURAGE it took for Lina and Lenin, or anyone else who's done something similar, to leave home alone at 17 and 18, respectively, and go to a foreign country. (And keep in mind, for Lenin this was before cell phones and video chats.)Obviously these types of stories are great for our students to hear, but they're great, also, for the rest of us. Stories of overcoming doubt and hardship and difficulty…and in the case of both Lina and Lenin, holding on to their faith.Again, Max Utsler conducted this interview in front of our whole C-10 Mentoring & Leadership group at Music Theater Heritage inside Crown Center.LINKS:To order the new book, "One Good Thing," from Amazon, go here.To get a copy of "One Good Thing" signed by Dayton Moore, click here.Register here for the 2nd Annual C You At Topgolf event.For more information about the C-10 Mentoring & Leadership program for high school students, visit our website.To make a financial gift to give students life-changing one-on-one mentoring, visit our secure donation page.For all episodes of the C-10 podcast and ways you can listen, click here.If you'd like to make a comment, have a suggestion for a future guest, or your company would like to help underwrite this podcast, please visit our contact page.

On Episode 194: The Incident At Devils Den, we are bringing on Terry Lovelace, the author of “Incident At Devils Den.” Terry is a professional in every sense of the word. He's served in the military, has a bachelor's degree in Psychology (cum laude), served as a felony prosecutor, and served as Assistant Attorney General for the U.S. Territory of American Samoa. Yet, with all these accolades, he is coming forward to share his incredible abduction story: Terry and a friend were taken by a craft that came for them while they were out camping. That is where most abduction stories may end, but Terry's story just begins at the incident at Devils Den.  BIO: Terry Lovelace served on active duty in the United States Air Force from 1973 to 1979. Trained as a medic and EMT, the bulk of his enlistment was spent as a first responder at the Emergency Room of Whiteman Air Force Base Hospital. After military service, he completed a bachelor's degree in Psychology, cum laude, from Park University. He earned a Juris Doctor from Western Michigan and was admitted to the bar the same year. In addition to serving as a felony prosecutor, he was keenly interested in healthcare law. He's a member of the American College of Healthcare Executives and was certified as a healthcare risk manager. While an Assistant Attorney General for the U.S. Territory of American Samoa, he served as General Counsel for LBJ Tropical Medical Center. He finished his legal career as State's Attorney for Vermont's Board of Medical Practice in 2012 and lives in Dallas with his wife of 45 years. Terry's book “Incident At Devils Den” can be purchased here. Become a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/join Watch Expedition Dogman: https://amzn.to/3OVyUs6 Tony's Studio Equipment: linktr.ee/mystudiogear SPONSORS GET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionals GET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals16 Promo Code: "65TONY" for 65% OFF PLUS FREE SHIPPING!!! CONNECT WITH US Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Email: theconfessionals@theconfessionalspodcast.com Subscribe to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletter SOCIAL MEDIA Subscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaI TikTok: @theconfessionals Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7h Show Instagram: theconfessionalspodcast Tony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficial Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcas Twitter: @TConfessionals Are you a military veteran struggling with thoughts of suicide? Contact Watchman Readiness Corps for REAL help. A veteran-run organization that is designed to help through hands-on survival training. Website: wrc.vet Email: watchmanreadiness@gmail.com Phone: (214) 912-8714 Instagram: wrc_survival Facebook: colbywrcvet

In this episode of “No Shade, All Tea's” Season 3, host Dr. Nancy DiTunnariello talks with Anthony L. Paduano (Adjunct Associate Professor) and Randy N. Townley (Adjunct Professor of Communication at Park University & Grand Canyon University, Doctoral Candidate at Liberty University) about “cancel culture,” the life of a professor, and even discuss Jesus as a zombie! Show Info: Host: Dr. Nancy DiTunnariello, ditunnan@stjohns.edu Production: The Bolt Productions Intro/Outro Arrangement & Audio Editor: Courtney Lemkin Chief Audio Editor: Elizabeth Petrillo Show Linktree: https://linktr.ee/_NoShadeAllTea_ Logo: Toni Sanchez Pop Art Guest Info: Guest: Anthony L. Paduano Title: Adjunct Associate Professor Website: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthonypaduano/ Guest: Randy N. Townley, M.A. Title: Adjunct Professor of Communication at Park University & Grand Canyon University, Doctoral Candidate at Liberty University Website: https://www.linkedin.com/in/randytownley/ Research Sources: Clark, M. D. (2020). Drag them: A brief etymology of so-called “cancel culture.” Retrieved from https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2057047320961562 Ng, E. (2020). No grand pronouncements here...: Reflections on cancel culture and digital media participation. Retrieved from https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1527476420918828 Norris, P. (2021). Cancel culture: Myth or reality? Retrieved from https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/00323217211037023 Romano, A. (2019). Why we can't stop fighting about cancel culture: Is cancel culture a mob mentality, or a long overdue way of speaking truth to power? Retrieved from https://courses.bowdoin.edu/sociology-1101-spring-2020/wp-content/uploads/sites/319/2020/05/What-is-cancel-culture_-Why-we-keep-fighting-about-canceling-people.-Vox.pdf --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/nancy-ditunnariello/support

In this episode, Craig Horstman talks about the various options veterans have beyond SBP & VGLI. Craig Horstman is a retired Army veteran with 23 years of experience as a Combat Engineer. During his time in the Army, he completed two tours in Iraq and one tour in Afghanistan along with multiple training missions both stateside and overseas. While serving he earned is Associates Degree in General Studies from Central Texas College and shortly after retiring, completed a Bachelor of Science in Interdisciplinary Studies from Park University.After retiring, Craig decided he wanted to continue to be involved in the military community and currently serves as a Benefits Specialist with United Shield Life Insurance. He uses his position there to not only educate transitioning service members on many aspects of transitioning from the military. His focus area is education on the Survivor Benefits Program and Veterans Group Life Insurance in comparison to civilian life insurance options where he not only talks one-on-one with service members and their spouses, but he also hosts free webinars monthly to educate transitioning service members on those programs. Although the area of life insurance is his main focus area, he also uses the knowledge he learned from his transition, as well as the network he has developed to assist transitioning service members in almost all areas of transition.If you enjoy the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcasts/iTunes. Your feedback is important to me, and it would also take less than 60 seconds and make a difference in getting those hard-to-get guests as we expand our reach. Contact Craig:  Craig Horstman | LinkedInCheck out the Do Hard Things Nation: www.dohardthingsnation.comJoin the Do Hard Things Newsletter: https://www.jaytiegs.com/pl/2147557565Book A Call with Jay: https://www.jaytiegs.com/book-your-sessionConnect with Jay: Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/dohardthingsJoin the Do Hard Things Newsletter: https://www.jaytiegs.com/pl/2147557565Do Hard Things Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/do-hard-things/id1548334976Do Hard Things Podcast Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4LhBESP82YI4Magub30D3DLeave a Review/Subscribe:  Do Hard Things on Apple Itunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/do-hard-things/id1548334976Welcome to the Do Hard Things Podcast with your host Jay Tiegs, Are you ready to amplify and improve your life? Then you are in the right place. On this podcast we have unfiltered conversation with inspiring people who take on challenges and share with us, the wisdom from their journey. We talk about how doing hard things adequately enable all of us to deal with life's struggles and challenges and ultimately improve the quality of our lives. Do Hard Things Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/dohardthings

Talking to Dr. Adrian James about her time living in Qatar. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Park University athletic trainer fulfilled a lifelong dream recently as a trainer with the U.S. Women's national rugby team at the World Cup in New Zealand. An inspirational and fascinating conversation.

Episode: 0014 Release Date: November 2, 2022 Description: Kathleen Allen presents the rerelease of Debbie Osborne's Analysts' Corner Podcast. The episode is about criminal intelligence in the military and features Dr. Eugene Matthews, a leader in the education of criminal intelligence analysis. Dr. Matthews led the initial development and implementation of the US Army Police Intelligence Operation (PIO) doctrine. He is currently an associate professor at Park University and has been awarded for creating a collaborative learning environment for students to explore emerging tech and learning. The original episode was published on July 29, 2009. What's changed, and what's remained? Take a listen! Related Links: Debbie's Blog - https://analystscorner.blogspot.com/?m=1 Eugene Matthew's Contact - LinkedIn Resources: Criminal Intelligence - Manual for Analysts | UNODC, National Criminal Intelligence Resource Center, Criminal Intelligence Training Master Calendar  Theme Song: Written and Recorded by The Rough & Tumble. Find more of their music at www.theroughandtumble.com. Podcast Email: leapodcasts@gmail.com   Podcast Webpage: www.leapodcasts.com

Before committing to Park University Gilbert, Detroit native @D_3loo helped bring a Nevada State Basketball Championship to Liberty High School in Vegas. Today, we get into how he ended up going to liberty, the growth he went through in the last year, and what he hopes on bringing to the Park University Men's Basketball team this upcoming season. It's an awesome episode with another young player with incredible talent and determination to continue to grow. He's an absolute DAWG and I hope you guys enjoy just as much as I did! --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/parker-g/support

Rich Brown is co-owner of the American Warrior Society and the co-host of the American Warrior Show, the self defense industries leading podcast.  He and Mike Seeklander teach firearms, tactics and combatives classes to law enforcement, military and responsible civilians.  This show we talk about the landmark Second Amendment Supreme Court case NY Rifle and Pistol Assoc. vs Bruen.  We then move into a discussion about the possibility of hard times and what we need to do to be prepared.   Rich and Mike have been a huge support to the EvoSec crew, do us a favor and support them by becoming a coin member.  The content you receive as a coined member is unlike any other self defense website out there.   https://americanwarriorsociety.com/ Become a AWS coin member   Also, make sure you subscribe to and share both their podcast and YouTube channels.   https://www.youtube.com/user/rhodieusmc Check out some of the most recent pivotal shows discussed on the show: AWS 298 Prepare (Special Edition)  AWS 283 Emerging Threats - Ukraine  Rich Brown - short bio - Previously Regional Manager for Preparedness and Government Operations for the American Red Cross - Previously Corrections Officer and Special Operations Response Team Officer with the Knox County Sheriff's Department - Retired Chief Warrant Officer-3 U.S. Marine with more than 23 years of service Rich is a distinguished graduate of numerous schools dealing in all aspects of military operations, law enforcement and corrections. Rich holds belts in Aiki-jūjutsu, Judo, MCMAP and Okinawan Freestyle Karate. Rich is also a published author who holds a B.S. in Social Psychology from Park University. In his spare time, Rich really enjoys shooting in local IDPA matches and writing about himself in the third person. Please subscribe and share our podcast with friends and family.  Visit our website for bios, future events and info at www.evosec.org  Like, follow and share us on Facebook and Instagram @evosecusa WE ARE PUMPED TO HAVE A NEW AFFILIATE LINK FOR ORIGIN AND JOCKO FUEL!!!  Help support this show by purchasing any of your JiuJitsu gear, Jocko Supplements, books clothing and more... link below. Origin/Jocko Fuel – Bringing back American manufacturing, producing the best Jiu-Jitsu Gis on the market, Jeans, rash guards, and world class supplements to help you on the path.  Use EvoSec10 at checkout for 10% off, this helps us greatly.  EVOSEC Originusa.com AFFILIATE LINK Tenicor – www.tenicor.com they are educators, and innovators in the holster market.  They are firearms instructors themselves, pressure testing their gear in multiple force on force events every year.  We support those who do the work.  Again patronizing our sponsors helps us greatly.  Keepers Concealment Original authority on Appendix Holsters, Appendix Training  Offer high-Performance Handgun Training - specializing in Concealed Carry Performance.  Keepers Concealment also - proud affiliate CCWSAFE, the truly proven legal service membership company - offering dedicated legal defense heaven forbid you're forced to use lethal force.   Use code: KC10OFF and check them out at CCWSAFE.com/Keepers To buy a holster, sign up for a class, inquire about hosting a course or join CCWsafe, you'll find it all at Keepersconcealment.com Evolution Security is Eric Davis, Aaron Davis and Brian Schilt; specializing in self-protection education, defensive pistol and carbine, consulting, and weapons based grappling.  Their mission is to help those serious about protecting themselves and their loved ones, become more capable though filtered information, recommended study, and highlighting their mentors who are the best in the field.   In addition, Eric and Aaron (twins) are musicians keeping with Musashi's adage that martial artist should focus on art outside of the martial (bumper music recorded by the brothers). 

Episode 15 of Paranormal Stories. This week the books I'm reading from are 'We Don't Die: A Skeptic's Discovery of Life After Death' by Sandra Champlain and 'Incident at Devils Den' by Terry Lovelace.Terry Lovelace 'Incident at Devils Den'.This is my true story. Written by Terry Lovelace, a 64-year-old lawyer and former assistant attorney general. In 2012 a routine X-ray of my leg found an anomalous bit of metal the size of a fingernail with two tiny wires attached. What followed were horrific nightmares, spontaneous recall and intrusive thoughts surrounding a 1977 camping trip I took with a friend to Devils Den State Park in Northern Arkansas. For fear of losing my job and my standing in the legal community, I've kept this secret for 40 years. But the 2012 discovery of this object, one and one-half inches deep in my thigh, initiated a flood of nightmares I could not control. My poor health and the horrific memories were the catalysts to come forward and finally disclose what happened back in 1977. My friend and I were on a two-day camping trip to photograph eagles and wildlife. Rather than stay in the campground we chose to drive deep into an isolated area and set-up our camp on a high plateau that offered a scenic view of the wilderness. Late in the evening of our first night in camp, a group of three very bright stars in the western sky caught our attention. Arranged in a triangle configuration we speculated as to what it could be? We eliminated aircraft lights due to the triangle configuration. Then it moved. The three stars rotated as if on an axis and slowly ascended upward. As it rose the three points of light spread apart, each equidistant to the others. The stars grew larger and brighter. As the triangle passed over stars they would blink-out for a moment and then blink-back again as it moved over them. The area inside the triangle was black, darker than the night sky. As the points expanded they were eventually devouring entire fields of stars as it traveled higher and moved closer to our camp. It eventually halted directly over us. It was huge. A third of the sky was covered by this black triangle overhead without a single star in between the three points. It was as if someone had cut an enormous triangle out of a sky filled with a billion stars. It descended until it was about thirty feet over the floor of the meadow. The size of the object was unbelievable. Each side of the triangle was a city block in length. I estimated its height at fifty feet or more. The size of a five-story office building, it sat motionless above the floor of the meadow. What followed was a horrific abduction experience. We both suffered badly from burns and dehydration and were hospitalized for two nights. I was interviewed by special agents from the USAF Security Police's "OSI" or Office of Special Investigations. They mistakenly believed I had photographed the object and I was viciously interrogated by two of their special agents. They demanded my film. My home and car were searched by consent and I was hypnotized to assist my recall. It was a nightmare that left my wife and me sour on the whole UFO and the allegations surrounding our experience. I never intended to tell anyone. But the events of 2012 opened a door to memories about the abduction experience I had long forgotten and had no desire to even remember. In 2016 and in poor health I decided it was the right time to disclose everything I knew and everything we experienced. The piece of metal in my leg was the genesis of this story. There is so much more that happened.BioTerry Lovelace is a six year veteran of the USAF where he served as a medic and EMT from 1973 to 1979. He has a bachelor's degree in psychology with honors from Park University in Kansas City, Missouri. He completed a law degree from Western Michigan and passed the Michigan State Bar Examination. He was also admitted to the bar in Vermont and the US Territory of American Samoa. His legal career began in private practice until his appointment as an assistant attorney general for the U.S. Territory of American Samoa, he also served as State's Attorney for Vermont Board of Medical Practice until his 2012 retirement. He and a friend were abducted from Devils Den State Park in NW Arkansas in June 1977 while remote camping. They were both on active duty at the time. What followed were 40+ years of nightmares, phobias, and PTSD-like issues which continue to this day. In 2012 a routine leg x-ray discovered two anomalous objects in his leg. The x-rays are on his website at terrylovelace.com. That event was his catalyst to write two books and speak publicly about his experiences.For fear of losing his job and the respect of his peers in the legal community, he waited until 2018 to self-publish INCIDENT AT DEVILS DEN, a #1 Bestseller on Amazon with 700+ Reviews at 4.8/5.0. His second book, DEVILS DEN: THE RECKONING was published the week of Christmas 2020. It was #1 in New Releases immediately and hit #1 Bestseller status on February 10th. His abduction story was featured in the UK Newspaper, THE GUARDIAN on September 12, 2021.He was a guest lecturer with Leslie Kean, Author and NY Times contributor at Rice University in Houston, Texas in November 2019. He's spoken at the UFO Congress in 2018, Contact in the Desert in 2019 and 2021, The Roswell UFO Festival 2019, UFO Con in Dallas in 2020, Alien Con in San Francisco in 2020, The Ascension Conference in Sedona in 2021, and the Ozark Digital Conference in 2021. His story was featured on a television episode of the Travel Channel's “MY HORROR STORY” which originally aired in November 2019, and “UFO ENCOUNTERS” aired in Canada in August 2021.Terry is a graduate of THE WELLNESS INSTITUTE in Graham, Washington where he successfully completed their program in hypnotherapy. He is currently performing hypnotherapy for experiencers who are struggling with memories from an ET encounter. He has done numerous past life regressions with amazing results.Since March 2018 he's been a radio/podcast guest 100+ times.https://www.amazon.com/Incident-Devils-story-Terry-Lovelace-ebook/dp/B07B7HMPPZ/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1653037004&sr=8-1https://www.terrylovelace.com/'We Don't Die: A Skeptic's Discovery of Life After Death' by Sandra ChamplainSandra Champlain about her new documentary 'Rinaldi - Instrumental Transcommunication to the Other Side'.In her laboratory in Brazil, Sonia Rinaldi was making "phone calls" to the deceased. Grieving parents would call her and she would have her ear on one receiver and let those in the afterlife use the other receiver. In the background, she would play audios containing sounds of broken-up human voices to record the "electronic voice phenomenon" or EVPs. Parents were encouraged to talk with their children and Sonia recorded their voices on her computer. When replaying the recording, their children's voices would be heard in conversation with the parents. This has been a labor of love for Sonia and she has never charged a penny for her work. Sonia Rinaldi's experiments continue to evolve. To many people's happy surprise, she has reunited them with their deceased loved ones, not only through voices but some with highly detailed images. This remains a labor of love for her - to prove the existence and give hope and comfort to the grieving. Sonia believes that someday this method of communication also known as "instrumental trans-communication" with the other side could become mainstream knowledge.BioSandra is the author of the #1 international best-selling book, ‘We Don't Die - A Skeptic's Discovery of Life After Death', is host of ‘We Don't Die Radio' and ‘Shades of the Afterlife' with well over 400 combined hours of afterlife evidence. Sandra hosts online conferences, workshops and medium demonstrations, and is passionate about sharing the truth about the afterlife, easing the pain of grief, and helping all live powerful lives.For over 20 years, I have been exploring the truth about life, death, grief, and what might lie beyond. My deepest desire now is to empower you with the information I have gleaned, and to give you tools and resources to help you find the path back to your own aliveness. I want to share with you what I've learned about the reality of life after death, and that — I'm convinced — there's nothing to be afraid of. I've been a skeptic all my life. But a persistent fear of death and dying led me to research what I don't know that might alleviate my pain. What I discovered, studied, tested and confirmed through those years has brought me so much purpose, understanding and peace that I now want to share it with everyone else affected by death and dying. I am so grateful to have this information and these insights to share with you. If you are grieving the loss of a loved one or if you are gripped by a baffling fear of death, please take your time on my website. I promise that this site and my book We Don't Die will comfort, inform, empower and make a difference for you. If you want to know more about my book, We Don't Die, visit my book page. I have hundreds of episodes of We Don't Die® Radio Show which I am certain you'll enjoy and be inspired by. https://www.wedontdie.comhttps://www.wedontdie.com/rinaldihttps://www.amazon.com/We-Dont-Die-Skeptics-Discovery-ebook/dp/B009VJ4E7G/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=http://www.pastliveshypnosis.co.uk/https://www.patreon.com/alienufopodcasthttps://www.patreon.com/pastlivespodcast

Charlotte Dunford is the managing partner of Johns Creek Capital. She brings a unique perspective to mobile home park investing as she comes from humble beginnings. Charlotte is a first-generation American citizen and college graduate of the Georgia Institute of Technology, where she earned her B.S. in Business with a focus on business analytics and technology. After leaving China with just her belongings at age 16, she has come a long way to now owning over 20 mobile home parks. Charlotte, along with her business partners, currently sponsor the repositioning of 24 value-add and turnaround mobile home parks. In this episode, she will share her journey as well as her process for finding trailer park deals, property management, and her tips for passive investors. Charlotte has great insights for anyone interested in investing in this asset class. Episode Links: https://www.johnscreekcapital.com/ --- Transcript Before we jump into the episode, here's a quick disclaimer about our content. The Remote Real Estate Investor podcast is for informational purposes only, and is not intended as investment advice. The views, opinions and strategies of both the hosts and the guests are their own and should not be considered as guidance from Roofstock. Make sure to always run your own numbers, make your own independent decisions and seek investment advice from licensed professionals.   Michael: Welcome to another episode of the Real Estate Investor. I'm Michael Albaum and today I'm joined by Charlotte Dunford, who's the managing partner of Johns Creek capital and today Charlotte is going to be talking to us about mobile home park investing and how she got her start and it's ultimately syndicating deals across the country. So let's get into it.   Hey, Charlotte, thank you so much for taking the time to hang out with me today. I really appreciate you coming on.   Charlotte: Thank you so much for having me.   Michael: It's so my pleasure. So we're gonna be talking today about a topic that I know very little. But before we get into that, I would love if you could give our listeners and audience just a brief background on kind of who you are, where you're come from, and what it is that you're doing in real estate.   Charlotte: Right, perfect. So my name is Charlotte Dunford. I am the managing partner of Johns Creek capital, which is Johns Creek capital is a private equity firm, focusing on small mobile home parks syndications. So this niche, our niche features value add properties, with higher cap rates in the 7% and up range at purchase. So we currently have 24, mobile home parks under management with over $4.6 million investor subscriptions and we started in 2020.   Michael: Oh my gosh, and how did you find yourself in that space?   Charlotte: So it's interesting how you know, how I find myself here. So I am a firm believer in escaping competition, one of my favorite books of all time, called from Zero to One by Peter Thiel, he is the co-founder of PayPal, and he suggested this strategy called, you know, it's kind of like Blue Ocean Strategy but it is all about escaping competition. So when I first my first job, out of college at 25, I started doing real estate on the side, using my salary to qualify for financing. But after two deals, I shot myself in the place where my salary wasn't keeping up with my ambition of scaling up the real estate business as much. So I took a calculated risk and quit my full time job about three years ago at 25 to start this company, and pretty much right after I started the, you know, it was a big risk for me, because my husband at the time was still in school, he didn't have a job. So now I quit my job. So to launch this venture, but I took a calculated risk because I saw the mass potential in the mobile home park space because of the demand of for affordable housing just kept growing, but the supply remain very low because zoning regulations and people are not building new mobile home parks. So that's what I saw in it and the big boys, they have been doing multifamily for decades. And for me, a 25 year college grad, wasn't really competitive for you know what, I had no leverage. So I decided to enter in a place where it was blue ocean, where it was a fresh start, and there's a lot more meat on the bow. And think I stopped my diamond in the rough there with mobile home parks.   Michael: I love it, I love it. So talk to us about your first two deals where they kind of traditional single family rentals.   Charlotte: Right, so I haven't even heard of mobile home parks when I graduated college, you know, very much ignore is still a niche today. So the first deal I got was a single family home in the south of Atlanta. I used my salary to qualify for and the second one was a duplex moving up by one unit, it was North Georgia. But after that I was capped out as far as from a banking perspective, I've talked with different commercial loans, you know, if you want to go up to four plex or even more multifamily, you know, you got to be at a net worth of blah, blah, and liquidity of something, you know, but I had no none of that. So the maximum I could go at was a two unit duplex. So yeah, that's my first two deals, and it worked out pretty well. But I wanted a lot more than just yeah, a single family duplex.   Michael: Well, I think it makes so much sense. And I think you're kind of very natural progression is what a lot of real estate investors do, also single family duplex, but then most people go to TriFlex, not quitting their jobs starting their own company to syndicating mobile home parks. So how did you get involved? I mean, how did you take such a hard turn?   Charlotte: Right, so you know, I was young, I was 25 years old and I've always wanted to be an entrepreneur and I've always wanted to own real estate and now that I'm about to you know, a duplex so I you know the multiple the buy triplex but they might be older or far advance in their career than I was and I was an associate business analyst. And there's no way within the time period I want and I see a property, I want to get a property but the financing wouldn't work out. It was a turning point for me because I realized what I really wanted to do, and I was young, and I was not afraid to take a risk and this is a that was was a calculated risk for me because I've learned so much from podcasts just like yours   I had a three hour commute every single day on public transit and from where I lived three hours per day, so three hours a day, five days a week, that's 15 hours, that's almost like a part time job. So to not waste that time, I would listen to podcasts on the train and every single day there to work and back, I learned so much from listen to different podcasts listening to different business audio books. So I pretty much learned for a year and a half straight, took a pretty much a morning and night class on the train. So it was calculated for me and always something I wanted to do. So you know, buying it one deal per year, or per two years, just not knowing enough for what I wanted, so…   Michael: That's incredible. So you went and got like a master's degree in your spare time via your transport to and from work.   Charlotte: Yeah, Master's degree issued by myself. Yeah, but…   Michael: It's the cheapest kind there is, it's a great UC Berkeley…   Charlotte: Yep…   Michael: Oh my god. Okay, so let's shift gears here a little bit and talk about like the meat and potatoes of actual mobile home park investing, because it's something that I've heard about for a while there's some of the guys over bigger pockets talk a lot about it. They're really excited about it. So what is it about mobile home parks that attracted you to it as an asset class?   Charlotte: Right, so there are a few things about mobile home parks that is super attractive to me. One is the niche that I'm in is small mobile, home parks, where the cap rates are high when we get into it. So you hear the saying that we you make the money when you buy, which is what you have to get in at the right price. If you overpay, then it's too late after whatever you do after that. So first of all, you know, is possible to get things at a high cap rate. So that's the first thing. And then financing of it, I was able to get most of my deals, 25 Parks, 24 parks with investor subscription, obviously, and we were able to get either cash or seller financing. And one of the better seller financing deals we've got gotten was 20-30, I think 30% down with 3% interest rate 30 year amortization and 10 year blue, so you're able to get this sort of terms, mobile home park.   Michael: What…?   Charlotte: Yeah, exactly. That's one of the earlier parks, we got. So at a very good cap rate at a very good financing term. So that just sets you straight, you know, right on the right path at the beginning and as far as operational after acquisition, mobile home park is a different animal than multifamily and single family completely different the closest asset class to mobile home park would be a parking lot.   Think about those homes, your park as a parking lot. You're not really in a rental business anymore. You are not fixing furnaces, you're not fixing their refrigerators, like you would in multifamily. You are charging lot rent. So they are on your lot and they're in anything but mobile, they can't really move their home, it's called mobile homes. But older homes, you can't move it without shattering on the road, newer homes, it is possible but it costs 10… you know, at least $10,000 to move it at a tenant in a mobile home park might find a little bit difficult to come up with the money to move in mobile home park, mobile home, so this there's a stability of it.   And on top of that, because you're doing lot rents, the lot, rents are incredibly low to start with. So there's a lot more meat on the bone with multifamily, especially during recessions like we are in kind of in today, it's hard to raise rents, the rents are going up, they raise it by $200, or even more for $500. It depends on where you are. But mobile home parks, we don't raise rents more than $50 per year. Because, you know, it's a big percentage. And there is meat on the bone, because we're buying it mostly from Mom and Pop operators who don't raise rents for years and they're the market rent is maybe one to $200 more than what a lot rent is charging. As long as your mobile home park product is the best value for money product affordable for affordable housing in town, you will have a good edge. So, you know, given the above points, we just find this you know, we still do find this asset class so fascinating. With so much potential just because of demand and supply and just the affordable housing crisis we're experiencing right now. We want to be part of the solution.   Michael: Yeah. Oh, that's so cool. So I love the analogy of like getting it to like a parking lot because I've said for years that I would love to own parking lots because pretty much maintenance free fit, you know, fairly risk research is so easy to operate. So right, what are the typical operational costs or expenses that you encounter in mobile home parks?   Charlotte: Right, so just like a parking lot operational expenses, including maintaining the ground, whatever is on your park. So for mobile home parks, specifically, it will be tree trimming, lawn care in the common areas, utility lines, if you're on septic, septic tanks, if you aren't public water than water lives, for example, you know, in the winter months, there might be increased cost in water pipes bursting, especially if the winters really cold and roadwork maintaining, you know, just the general peace and quiet in the neighborhood, cosmetic upgrades for the common areas, including adding a new sign, fences, all this stuff. So it's really about you know, making it successful. It's really about making, boosting the pride of ownership in your, in your park. So people don't want to leave and it's really creating this new neighborhood.   Michael: Yeah, that's incredible and so from a purchasing perspective, I mean, I'm curious to get an idea of what some of these purchase prices are, that might make sense for an investor. And then if you're not doing syndication, I mean, can you go to a bank, like, can you go to Wells Fargo and be like, hey, I'm gonna buy this mobile home park, can you give me a loan? What is the what is the financing typically look like?   Charlotte: Right, so for us, we haven't financed our deals, like I said, we either financed through cash or seller financing, but I did seller park, and we've been selling, we're in the process of solving a couple parks. So you know, the one that I sold was my personal park without syndication, but I owned it through seller financing when I bought it, but when I sold it, the buyer got a loan from the local bank without a problem, and we close. So you know, it was a quite a small amount it was in the 100,000 range. So it's a very small loan and that goes to show that banks are getting more comfortable with this idea of a mobile home park financing and especially if you're bigger, they will be more interested. I think it just like any lending product, you have to have this relationship with your bank, and you want to make sure that they they trust you, they trust this asset class, like any commercial loan, yeah…   Michael: Okay and if somebody wanted to go get involved, and invest in mobile home park directly, what are some of the price points that you're seeing?   Charlotte: So it depends on the, it depends on the market, obviously and it really depends on the NOI and the cap rate. So and then the occupancy right, so MT mobile home park is worth a lot less than a mobile home park, mostly occupied just like a parking lot, you know, it indicates your business success. So as far as pricing, you know, where I am, small to medium level mobile, home parks, we're looking at anything from 100,000 to, you know, over 2 million, so it's a big range it depending on how many lots you're wanting, so you'd be expecting to pay it depending on the market 22k to 30k per lot...   Michael: Okay, okay and is it similar to multifamily in thinking about scalability and kind of building a buffer, whereas the more lots you have on a park, the more resilient that park might be to occupancy issues or to repair maintenance issues?   Charlotte: Right, that will be similar. I mean, obviously, the more locks you have the if someone moves out, you wouldn't have to worry about it. But the important thing to remember and something that we have gained knowledge in through our experience, the only mobile home parks is that for small parks, where we get into at a high cap rate, the important thing is to have enough reserves in order to counter anything that is someone moves in, do you have the reserves needed to counter any problems because cash flow sometimes for a small park is not enough to cover like a big accident. That's where your reserves come in. But as long as the overall numbers work, that the small deals are solid, and we look at a lot of 15 Major, 15 Major parameters in determining whether a deal is good or not.   Michael: Okay well, interesting. And I know you're mentioning purchasing at a high cap rate and then of course exiting or refinancing at a lower cap. What are, where are you purchasing? What's your purchase cap on on some of these parks?   Charlotte: So one example would be a park that we're selling right now we actually got offers and we are you know, looking to exit… the offer the purchase contracts you see in progress. So we bought this park at 10.5 cap and we're selling a five cap.     Michael: Holy smokes, when did you buy it?   Charlotte: We bought in 2020, mid 2020. So it's only been 1.9 years less than two years and we are turning around and selling five cat because there are certain things that we do to increase the value of the park and the mark is getting higher obviously so the appreciation to market goes up and also, we just got a really great deal. So it comes to different points. So you have to buy it, negotiate it harder so that you can get a good cap rate. And you have the value add to make to kick it up a notch so that you can make it a better quality asset and you sell it on the natural curve of the asset class, and you sell it a better temporary, so….   Michael: God for you, Charlotte that's amazing.   Charlotte: Thanks.   Michael: That's really exciting.   Charlotte: Thank you.   Michael: So another question for you is when you talking about someone not paying their lot fees, I mean, what do you do if someone's like, yeah, like, I'm not paying my fees anymore? Because they own the home, right, so can you evict them and what does that look like?   Charlotte: You can definitely get them however, as we all know, if you're a real estate evictions, never fun. The only person wins in eviction is the eviction attorney. So it's true, you've spent a lot of money, I've done that before with my single family home, and it was a nightmare. So during the eviction moratorium, we had a lot of issues with tenants not paying because they know that we cannot do anything about it.   So how we handled it is that we are, you know, we would like to be advocates for our tenants, you know, we want to speak for them, we want to make life better for them, instead of just kicking people out, we're fair, right. So what we did during the eviction more term, people couldn't afford rent, to be honest, we reached out on our tenants behalf to different agencies, state authorities on the city authorities, and all kinds of governments on different levels, city county, and state and even local ministries to apply for rental assistance. So all of those rental assistance programs are either applied on behalf of our tenants, where we encourage our tenants to apply for them, that is being advocates for our tenants. So through those programs, we were able to have the income and the tenants were saved. And they were helped, and we got our income. So that's, you know, something we had to handle and you know, in general, if a tenant just doesn't want to pay, so it let's say, you know, they're they don't want to be paying you and no matter how much you want to help them, they just are not paying the walkaway right.   So if they abandon their home, there are several things you can do, we always put it into our lease contract called the first right of refusal, meaning that if they are considering leaving their home, or selling their home, we have the first, the first opportunity to buy this home, once would buy their home, then the home becomes ours, then we sell it to another tenant that passes our vetting process, and then that becomes occupied again, or we encourage our tenant to sell it to another qualified tenant, you know, park, then that, you know, we're a parking lot. So we don't care whose car parks there as long as you pay your lot fee, and then that new tenant will pay us.   And then the third and the worst scenario and the most costly, and I don't encourage anybody to do this, but it is a possibility is that to go through the legal process called the abandonment process. If someone leaves it abandons it, the tenants nowhere to be found. We have we've had death in our parks during COVID. What do we do with it with the abandonment? So you know, there's no estate, you know, assignees, you know, everybody's, you know, they don't have family here. So what do we do? We have to go through the court process in saying, okay, well, maybe the court deems this home abandoned, because no one's there to claim it, then court give it to us, and then we rent it out or give it to someone who sell it. So the third one is very lengthy and expensive. So the first and second approach are much better.   Michael: Okay, interesting. And I don't have like any real concept or frame of reference for what a lot fee a typical lot fee is, and of course, understood that's like asking what is rent for an apartment, it all depends on the market. So in the park that you're selling right now, maybe that'll be a good trial case. What were the lot fees when you bought it? And what were you able to do? Did you move them much when you're when you're selling?   Charlotte: Right, so it depends on the area, right… So for the south east, you're looking at around $150, average…   Michael: Okay, a month?   Charlotte: A month… $100 to one $50 in the Southwest. In the Midwest, and then we don't have that many parks in the outwest. We only have one Arizona, and that's kind of a special one. So we have heavier presence southeast in the Midwest, in the Midwest, you're looking at three to $400 a month, so different markets. So for the one, you know, for the one that we're selling right now is it is within that range. And we did raise the rents to 25 to $50 per year but granted, we did, haven't owned it for that long. We haven't… we own it less than two years, so some brand increases along with some improvements. Yeah, so that's about the average price.   Michael: Okay, interesting. And is there much of a market for like overnight rentals like RV parks as opposed to mobile home parks?   Charlotte: Yeah, RV parks is interesting. We're don't… have any, I think, you know, there's definitely markets for that and they are similar to mobile home parks in a way that it is kind of a parking lot as well. So but we don't own it. We're not too familiar with it. But a lot of cities you know, they don't allow your mobile home park to become an RV park, there's a strict zoning regulations and you can't just pull an RV in your mobile home park. It's meant for mobile home parks non RV parks. So that's, that's about all I know about RV is I'm not sure you know, much more, but I think I would say, you know, to add on to my previous point a lot rents is interesting, because, you know, 101- $150 is the average here in the southeast and what we have to do when we look at a deal is compare this lot rent, with whatever other housing products in town, for example, if the apartment building is also renting for a 150, then nobody wants to go to your mobile home park, if they could move to a an apartment building, same with house, you know, buying a house or mortgage. So you want to make sure whatever, you know, we're in affordable housing, because it's an inexpensive way to for housing for lodging, so you want your lot rent to be at least $400 below what they would have been paying with other housing products.   Michael: Okay, and so that's your metric kind of throughout?   Charlotte: Yes.   Michael: Got it, got it. Interesting, interesting. Well, surely, if you could recommend knowing what you know, now, to people that want to get more involved, or that want to learn more about mobile home park investing, where should they go?   Charlotte: Well, they should go to me, not to be served self-serving.   Michael: Ohh, I love it…   Charlotte: They should come to well, I have other don't worry, I have other recommendations, I'm not just going to be self-serving on this episode.   Michael: But no, it's great… Charlotte: Just go to our website at https://www.johnscreekcapital.com/ and fill out the contact form. Talk to me, I usually respond within a couple hours and I think other resources, I highly recommend would be Frank Ralph's, a mobile home, Park University, I've learned myself, learned a lot myself from there and there's just a lot of good forums, a lot of good books and his boot camps, and lots of investors, if you want to invest, you know, actively by yourself, you know, we take passive investors, but if you want to do everything yourself, here's website and these boot camps will be a great start, I never attended myself, but I've heard a lot of good things about them and yeah…   Michael: Okay, fantastic. And from a passive investing standpoint, I know, you said it's kind of a blue ocean, and you think the returns are fantastic. So what kind of returns have your investors been seeing over the last couple years?   Charlotte: Right, so when we started in 2020, and now we have, you know, let's just use the oldest park that we have our overall returns today, it has been 22%. And not per year, but 22%, to date, and the one that we're selling right now, we are offering, you know, we originally usually, with our deals, we usually offer in at least a 15% internal rate of return over the whole time and with this one, we are, we offered I think 15 to 19% internal rate of return over three years, and we're exiting at two years, with the offers we're getting right now, if we're to go through, you'll be far exceeding 19% IRR will be in the range of 21 to 22, so that is the performance and that's that's been the track record there.   But I think, you know, it's a process where the first year is usually on the lower side, though, we've been achieving averaging 6%, around 6% for the first year, so which is pretty good for home parks and, and then goes up and up and up in the preceding years, and then the one that you know, our preferred returns, sorry, preferred way to return is 8%. So and then after, after that will be followed by a waterfall just like any, you know, pretty standard syndication structure. So, so that's the performance and that's, that's kind of our structure.   Michael: Oh my gosh, Charlotte, this has been so insightful. Any other thoughts that you want to share with our listeners before we let you out of here?   Charlotte: Oh, I think that is pretty much you know, you asked a lot of good questions.   But one message I do want to deliver is that we we are extremely proud and excited to be part of the solution to affordable housing crisis. There is a big market out there and I also would like to share a personal story of how I came about so I you know, I came to this country at age 16, I did not come with my parents or anybody, I didn't have any friends so I pretty much came to this new country new land to start a new life but I saw vast you know, opportunities there back where I was from in China up until I was 16…. I, we could not own properties. There was you know, you have you only had was communist is still is a communist regime. So you have to lease it from the government for 70 years. So I was always fascinated with the idea of owning real estate, so that's why that's what I'm doing today. So I think it's important to when you look at a company like Johns Creek capital, looking at the founders profile, and their stories, and that's my story and that's kind of where I came about and I've gone through some challenges in my life, and which gives me the resilience to carry forward, a firm like Johns Creek capital, and my business partner as well. He has even more interesting story but I am the face of the company. So that's why I'm here talking about my story. But someday he'll, he'll tell my story as well. So that's one last thing.   Michael: Well, Charlotte, thank you so much, again, for sharing your story and for coming on and imparting so much wisdom to all of our listeners and viewers. And I'm so excited to stay in touch with you and see what Johns Creek capital goes from here.   Charlotte: Thank you so much, thank you so much for having me.   Michael: You're welcome. Take care, talk soon.   Charlotte: Thanks, you too. Bye.   Michael: Okay, well, that was our episode a big thank you to Charlotte for coming on the show. Really, really interesting. And we always joke that these episodes are very self-serving. So I get to ask all the questions that have been on my mind anyhow, but I hope that you got some value out of it too.   As always, if you liked the episode, please feel free to leave us a rating or review wherever you get your podcasts and we look forward to seeing on the next one. Happy investing

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