Remnant Revolution Podcast

We have entered the time of a Great Spiritual Awakening where the Lord Jesus is establishing His Kingdom here on earth. We are taking authority over the tools the enemy has used to propagate his lies and are Raising a Banner of Truth in its place.https://rumble.com/vpgd3v-robert-agee-.htmlhttps://www.banners4freedom.com/Always remember, God Wins!All Glory to the King of kings, Yahshua (Jesus)Robert & Jaime AgeeRoman's 8:28Robert  0:02  You know you are you are the army of the Lord, that the Lord before us who can be against us, we must take our stones, we must stand face these giants. And we'll do our part. And we'll call on the Lord to fight our battle for us. But we're gonna raise banners or troops across this nation. Alright, welcome to Freedom Fridays. I'm Gary Duncan, your host, and this is going to be exciting, kind of a cool interview, I ran across this gentleman and his wife, Dr. Artists show just the other day actually, and reached out to him and wanted to get them on the podcast. And as you see there, it's called a banners for freedom. It's a it is a ministry they've just created. And we'll talk a little bit about how that came about. Got Robert, and you're watching out with your her name's Jamie, is that correct? Yes. Yeah, I appreciate you coming on the show. And let's let's get into because I know we've had a little talk beforehand, so we really got to know each other. But for those that are listening, we'll just go into it blind because man, when I heard you on the phone, Dr. Artists show your story and how this has come about the banners for freedom is really cool. But it's also you're one of the remnant revolutionist people, or I would call them the the heroes, the ones that are sticking their face, right in the midst of the evil and doing something about it, and those people I want to talk to. And so Robert, tell, talk a little bit about, you know, who you guys are, you know, what, the story behind a banner for freedom and, and I just, hopefully, that'll bless people here and, and educate them on how to get involved with with, you know, fighting the evil that we're dealing with, in this in this church in the country, right? Sure. Yeah. Hey, thanks for having me, Gary, you know, I'm really glad you reached out to me when I went to your website to, you know, see what you were all about, I was just so encouraged to know that there's another man of God out there that is putting this kind of truth out, and that is, you know, really trying to bring the people together. And to look at all aspects of what's happening in our society right now. And not to, you know, be so you know, it's like, the church has got this tunnel vision, right. And, you know, they don't want to look to the left to the right, and that just want to stay focused on on the same thing that they've been doing for a long time. And, you know, you're really branching out and, you know, bring into focus, some of the things that need to be discussed and talked about, you know, it's amazing what God is doing in this hour. You know, we're, we were talking earlier how, you know, he really is waking up the remnant, you know, those who have a love with the truth and want to, you know, take the effort, because it takes effort, right to seek out truth, that's why says you got to seek it out. But if you seek it out, you'll find it. And it's all there. It's, it's, it's really rewarding, right to take that time and that effort to seek out the truth, because when you find the truth, it sets you free. But unfortunately, so many people are, are afraid of going through what I liken to the stages of death, right? Because you're, you're, you're dying to an old way of thinking, you're almost you're dying to a way of, of self that you grown up with. And so there's no first there's that rejection, or you're just, you just you just reject the truth, you want nothing to do with it. And, you know, it's, you know, it's like, just like, if someone came to you and said, you know, you've now lost a loved one, you know, you know, and it's not, you're pulling my leg or, or, or you get angry at the person, you know, and then you start, start looking at it, and you know, you fight it, you don't want to accept it. And then, you know, you begin to accept it. And he's kind of get, you know, desperate, you know, there's that despair there. Like, you know, you kind of lose, lose hope. Because if it's really that way, you know, how do I accept that reality and you can get a sense of hopelessness, like, it's, it's so big, it's so foreign. But then when you reach that acceptance point, and you really dive into it, and you understand what's taking place, you're able to rise above it, you're able to see it from a 30,000 foot view, then you realize, God's got a plan. And there's a purpose for each and every one of us. And we're living in the greatest, most exciting times mankind I believe ever lived in and he's using very simple people. You know, like like myself, I'm just a backwoods boy from from Texas, right? I'm out here in northeast of Texas and bottom way out in the woods, got a homestead with the family. You know, we kind of keep to ourselves, do our own thing. And God said, I got a I got a mission for it. All right, we weren't looking for it. We weren't trying to do any of this. But what what happened was, you know, we went to a reawaken America tour conference and down in Tampa, Florida, right in the middle of this whole pandemic, trying to find other like minded people, you know, we were having some issues with churches, right, just like many of us are. And we wanted to learn to fellowship with like minded people. We heard about this, this reawaken America to our conference. So we went down there, God opened up the door to allow that to happen. And when we were there, we were really inspired. We, we were amazed on how there was both spirit and truth there. You know, it wasn't just a conference trying to wake people up to the political agenda or the medical agenda, but there was a spiritual aspect of it. Right. You know, there was praise and worship at this conference, like why does go this is this is cool, you know, and But why were there. So many of the speakers were encouraging folks, hey, we, we have to get involved. You know, God is going to use us God works through His people to make a difference. And General Flynn is up there saying, you know, local action creates national impact, right. And, Mike, local action, what does that mean, right? How do we get involved because we've never really been involved in anything? Well, we get back here to Texas, and there was a fourth of July party that we were hosting, we have people from our community, we celebrate the birth of our nation. While we were there, folks, were talking about the county commissioners and how they had passed this this law that we had to apply for a permit to build a chicken coop right out in the county that didn't sit right, a lot of people. So we said, hey, why don't we all go down there on Tuesday, let him know how we feel about it. We all agreed to do that we showed up and we packed up the courtroom in the lobby and down the steps out into the parking lot. And when they realized how the people felt, and we voiced our concerns, they quickly rescinded that day. So they apologized. And we realize, wow, there's strength and showing up and speaking up. You know, we we have a lot of lot of power as the people. But you know, we've never been involved in anything before. So it was it was foreign to us. But while we were there, they had a couple COVID agenda items they were going over, some of the folks were wearing masks, the actual county judge was encouraging folks to get the jab at the end of the meetings, you know, and he, he thought it was the best thing, and that's the way he was gonna save his county. I don't think he was a bad person. I just think he was uninformed. And, you know, the sources that he, you know, was was using, you know, he thought he was doing the right thing. And we said, you know, what, why, and I looked at each other. And I'm a general contractor, so I kind of Mabel Ramon business, I kind of make my own schedule is like, you know, why don't we just take our Tuesday morning, and let's go up there. And let's, let's take some information that we get from programs like yours, right? Or the stupid or show or, or Dr. Jane Ruby or stuff, we definitely reawaken America to a conference will pronounce these documents, you know, if we don't understand everything, you know, we can't go up there, you know, with, with a great vast amount of our own knowledge. You know, it's we're still learning, but people have already done this work for us. So we'll just print off those documents, or we'll take screenshots of some of these interviews and, and we'll, we'll hand that to him, and we'll put it on public record. And we'll simply read it to you. And we'll educate them on the truth of what's happened in this pandemic. So we did that. And for 17 weeks straight, and we saw many Victor's masks started falling off, there were people that were part of the county that would come up to us say, Whatever you do, don't stop coming. We need you. We've been waiting for someone to come in here and speak on these very things. Because you know, we're kind of handicapped over here. We can't, we can't talk about it. So you go to the meetings each, each week, each Tuesday, the county commissioner meetings, and you know, you're able to speak for five minutes on a public forum, right to speak on whatever you want. But then you could speak on an agenda item, as long as your topic pertains to that agenda item, or they had to COVID agenda items. So we were wearing them out, right, we had 15 minutes to deliver a message. So you know, and, you know, there's, I'm not gonna talk to you for hours, there's so many things that God did an orchestrated to confirm that we were on the right path here. You know, we, we don't want to get out of line of what God's you know, calling us to do just because we have our own personal desires and ambitions, which may be, you know, noble causes, right. But if that's not what we're supposed to be doing, don't don't want to be doing it. Well, he's even just going he confirmed to us the first day when we showed up there was a reporter there who would cover the county commissioner meetings for the local paper. And she came up to us after the meeting. She goes, I can't believe you're here. You know what you're doing is amazing. I was literally just praying last night I've been praying but last night I was like, Lord, please send somebody to these meetings to talk About this whole plan demic so that I can report it in the county paper, because she can only report on what is talked about during, you know, the the commissioner meetings. So it was a total answer to her prayer. And, you know, it was it was really neat. She started, you know, covering all this and putting, you know, our remarks into the county paper, but then there were some censorship that took place. And, you know, we had to address that, right, I had to, I had to, you know, I had to take that to the editor of the paper, I didn't want to, you know, I didn't want to stir up problems, I didn't want to create any problems for the reporter. You know, I didn't want to be that guy, right. But I knew need to be addressed. I'm like, Lord, if You want me to address it, you just kind of line all that up, and I left it alone. And I woke up one morning, and I felt like he said, This, today's the day you're going up to there, the paper and you're going to talk to the editor, I kind of ignored it, you know, and about lunchtime came and he's like, alright, it's lunchtime, you go in or what? Okay, so I'm driving down to the newspaper, and I'm like, Lord, you're gonna give me the words to say because I can. Now I don't want to go in there turning tables, and you know, creating a scene because I can, you know, I have that in me, and I want to use wisdom. And I want to be effective. So I was like, Lord, you're gonna have to just work this thing out. So I show up and walk in there. And I'm talking to the editor, and I'm asking her why she was because she, what they literally did was remove my comments from public forum that they would cover in the paper, but they would leave other people's comments on public forum. It was blatant censorship. And she said, Well, you know, we just, you know, you're covering the same thing every week. That was one of her responses, which we weren't, we were covering all sorts of different things. And she was like, Well, you know, we just don't know if what you're talking about a sexual? Like, okay. Well, you know, first of all, I, everything that I discussed, I cited, you know, I gave him a document, you know, with, Hey, here's all the references to things I'm talking about. Now, it's apply that and she's like, Oh, I wasn't aware of that. Okay. And she's like, well, you know, we just, you know, we don't want to, you know, frighten the people with just people's opinions. And, you know, maybe not really based by, you know, backed up by fact, and you don't want to be journalists, they didn't want to do with their call up news. That's what are yours aren't supposed to report and the people decide, right? You're the one deciding for the people. Like, that's not right. And she just kind of, you know, him hauled around, and we weren't really getting anywhere. I was like, Well, you know, I just, you know, explained to her how I felt about it, and I was gonna leave it there and hope that she changed her mind. And I turned to walk out in a woman opens the door. She goes, Robert, Hey, I can't believe I see you here, I was just thinking about, you're on my way up here. This very moment, I just want to tell you how great of a job you're doing. And, you know, you just do such a fine job of, you know, backing up everything that you're saying, you know, in the documents that you provide to the county commissioners, and she's like you do your research are very thorough, and, you know, she just starts basically, you know, supporting what I was trying to communicate to the editor, and then addressing her concerns without even knowing why we were there. Because she stopped she goes, What are you doing here? She happened to be good friends, with the editor in a highly respected person in the community. And so the editor kind of looked at her and was like, Okay, well, I'll tell you what, you know, I'm gonna go ahead and continue to cover, you know, what, what you're talking about here, because apparently, you are doing your due diligence. So the reason why I bring that up, is because God, you know, sent that woman there at that very moment had me arrive there at that very moment, you know, the timing, timing is everything. And I wasn't getting anywhere. But God knew what He was going to take to get this, you know, back into the paper. So it's, you know, God will always give you little little wings, you know, when you're walking with him, and that was one of those. And so, you know, that's going on. And, you know, they're starting to cover it again, the, like I said, the mask fall off during the county commissioner meetings, they actually signed a resolution adopting Governor Abbott's vaccine mandate. And that was another victory. The judge stopped encouraging folks to get the jab at the end of the meeting. So that was another victory. And my wife was down at the post office and saw some of the newspapers in the trash and wondered to herself, you know, how many people were actually reading the newspaper? How many of these were going in the trash? So she was driving that day down to the Sonic and she saw this billboard in town as a digital digital billboard right next to the high school. And she said that she felt like God highlighted it and said, Hey, this is how you're going to get the message out to your communities is what you're going to do. This is your next step right? You're gonna have county commissioners, you've taken it out out in the paper, we have to take an ad out in the paper little it's called Vax fax because they had a COVID case chart in there. How many people been injured by COVID? And we were like, Why don't we put a chart and now people have been injured by the jab, or die by the jam and all those statistics off of, you know, open various.com. So she comes to me with this billboard idea, I'm sitting up here, my computer's like, I am here working on stuff, and I'm still doing general contracting work. And she's like, Hey, babe, I felt like, you know, Lord highlighted this billboard, and we need to put a message up in town, I looked at her and I was like, that's crazy. billboards. Like we're no, we're not getting into billboards. That's way bigger than anything, you know, that we've done, and we don't have the money to do it. And I know, I came up all these excuses, you know, I'm too busy. This, you know, same thing we all do, we can all come up with a million reasons why we don't have time or finances to do something. And she reminded me that they're coming after the children. And it was about the time where they were doing that they're putting up pop up vaccine clinics and schools, and they were, you know, announcing that they were approving this for children under certain ages. And I was like, You know what, you're right. We're gonna do come after children, we've got to step this thing up. You know, this is war, right? This is war after our family after our children. And we've got to do something. So I said, Let's do it. Like, how much does it cost, but she'd already contacted them. She already knew how much it cost. She already kind of got some things arranged and set up because she knows you're done deal when she came to you, right? Deal. So we decided what we were going to do is put up an ad, it was simply wasn't going to be a call to action. We didn't think it was necessary. You know, we want to try to be, you know, this wasn't a political thing. And this wasn't a left versus right. This wasn't this was the people need to be informed. They didn't have informed consent. A lot of these folks didn't even realize that there's there was at that point in November 1 of last year, just what was reported to the VAERS dot HHS Health and Human services.gov website, the reporting system for adverse reactions to vaccines that's been set up since the 1990s. What what had been reported to this system, just on a COVID-19 Jab was 800,000. injuries or adverse reactions, right, I think it was like 18,000 deaths. That's like, that's a crazy number. Like, you know, what, all we need to do is put up that number COVID-19, adverse reactions 800,000, you know, COVID, 19, deaths, you know, 19 or 18,000. And, at least that will get people to think Hold on, maybe I need to do some more research before I go down to Walgreens over here and shoot myself up or my children. But we weren't a source of information, right. But the end and we no show with lt was or let's do Peter show or other programs, like you know, yourself, you know, it we're, we're sources that people can go to, so we're like, on the far right side of this ad, we're gonna, we're gonna lift up different organizations were put their logo, their URL on here. And that way people have a source to go to. And that's as far as we were going to take it in our community. People found out what we're doing, they want to start donating to help make it possible. So we set up a gift saying go instead of meeting them down at the Sonic and getting 100 books. And then clay Clark calls, he found out that there was a billboard up in town with his logo on and I thought I might have been in trouble, right? No, he wants to have a conversation about this. What do we do? We should maybe we should have asked him. We i He said he wanted to talk through zoom. And I've never done zoom before. And I'm downloading and trying to figure it out. I get on there. And there's clay Clark, and he's like, yes, yes, yes. Welcome to the clay Clark show. I got Robert ag here from banner for freedom, like, Oh, my goodness, and we're about to do an interview. I've never done an interview, you know, never done any of this stuff. And here I am. He's talking about how we're going to be putting billboards up all across the nation. And I'm like, You know what, I would love an opportunity to do that. But we never thought we could facilitate that. You know, how are we going to fund that I could barely, you know, cover the 800 bucks for this billboard. But, you know, it was it was almost prophetic. It was prophetic. And there it was a really neat opportunity to be able to talk about this idea and then throw it out there and see what the Lord wanted to do with it. Well, people love the idea. You know, they soon as that that interview went live on that Monday, people started donating $3,000 We're like what, you know, we were excited. We had 200 bucks. And then on Wednesday that week, it got picked up by Lt on and we no show. He had saw that interview. Someone sent it to him because we had his logo up on there, too. He plays it overnight. The fine patriots that watched and we know show donate over $30,000 We're looking at this gifts and go and we're perplexed as to Peter's calls, and he wants to do an interview and people donate over another another 20,000 So we're at $50,000 going we We got to put some billboards up. And the next thing that happened was was was really amazing. Clay Cole says, Hey, if you want to come to any of our conferences, you know, I'll take care of your tickets. And I was getting ready that day to buy a ticket to the Dallas conference, because that's kind of where we live. Excuse me. And he's like, I want to go to San Antonio. It's like nine o'clock. I was like, you know, let's go to Dallas, you know, San Antonio is next week and the Dallas just a couple of weeks off. It's like, All right, well, you call us back because you sure you don't want to go to San Antonio. You know, okay, you know, we'll go to San Antonio, I was born and raised in San Antonio. I'm an alum. Oh, boy, I got friends and family down there. And let's let's do it. We show up. We don't know what we're gonna do. Because he's like, Hey, why don't you do a booth. Okay, Booth. Alright, so what we're gonna do, you know, we print out this cheap $40 banner from Walgreens and stick it on the front of a table and put a sign up sheet and we're like, hey, if anybody wants to help us raise a banner sign up, alright. And clay came by and he said, Hey, if, if you like, I want to get you up on the platform and tell everybody what you're doing. It's crazy clay. I'm like, I'm not gonna get 3000 people. I was like, I don't even know what we're doing. Right? Like, you know, just sounds familiar. Don't get in there simply in the Bible with people that God took and that we're just try it out in front of crowds and head on out and do things you know that they're not comfortable doing, you know, but Moses had a stuttering problem. He's like, You want me to go stand in front of Pharaoh? I mean, this this, come on, give me some help. Right? And he sat down with him. And I drove my wife with me. I was like, you're coming with me here. Okay. But, you know, actually, I wasn't sure if I was going to do this. He's like, go back and pray about it. So I went to the BMV that night, and I was like, Lord, what are you? What are you doing? Like, what am I doing? Right? What's happening here? And he gave me a message I started writing, right? He was giving me the words to speak. And I wrote this speech, because I wasn't going to just go up there and talk, you know, because I could really mess some things up, you know? And I was like, Lord, I want to speak exactly what you would want me to speak if I have this opportunity. And I actually have that speech. It's, it's right in the middle of our website, when you scroll down, you'll see a little video player and it's kind of it's our mission speech, right of what we're doing. And I felt like he wanted me to remind everybody that we're the army the Lord. Alright, and Psalms 20, verse five, my wife came to me with this first start, and she goes, Look what I found in Psalms, Psalms 20, verse five says, and in the name of our God, we will raise our banners. It's like, boom, that's what we're doing. We're raising banners across this nation. And we're calling on the name of the Lord. And we're, we're providing a petition. Right? And we're asking them to heal our land, we're asking the people to wake up to this madness. And hopefully, a healing will come out of this. You know, we put Psalms 20 Verse five on everything that we do. So you know, I'm up there on the platform, and 1000s of people like Oh, my God, you know, don't don't mess this up. You know, I'm a little a little nervous. But at the same time, I'm, um, I'm feeling like, I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing in this moment, you know, the Spirit of God was was with me. And I'm reminding everybody that I'm speaking to, just like, David reminded the Israelite army when they were fearful of these giants of the Philistines, this Philistine army, that, hey, you know, who are these Philistines that they should defy the army, the living God? Alright, you know, you are, you are the army of the Lord, that the Lord before us who can be against us, we must take our stones, we must stand face these giants. And we'll do our part. And we'll call on the Lord to fight our battle force. But we're gonna raise banners or troops across this nation. And, you know, it was it was a great little, little speech. And before I could even finish, people were coming to the front and they were putting donations on the platform. It was, well, you know, I've never seen anything like it. And, you know, I wouldn't even call in for people. Hey, come on, can you help us? You know, it? Would they just started coming. Clay grabs the mic says, Hey, we're gonna raise $100,000 I looked at him like, what? He's like, yes. And he tells the production guy goes, Hey, play $100,000 Raising music. And the guy plays WaveMaker I'm like, Okay, we're gonna need him to show up to raise 100,000. So that's appropriate. And I'm kind of, you know, melting off into the background. And, you know, wife's over there. She's bawling, because, you know, she's just amazing what God's doing right now. And people just flocked to the front. They were filling trash bags, full of cash. And I'm like, what is happening right now? You know, I just couldn't believe it. And we, we go to the back and we count the cash and it was $22,000. And then we look at our gifts and go and people donated $28,000. That's 50. Right. A gentleman had walked up on the platform and whispered in my ear and he said, Hey, I'm going to match everything that was donated today, not knowing how much was donated, right, but We even counted it. And I called him up and I said, hey, people donate $1,000. And he without hesitation, he goes, give me your bank account numbers or my wired over tomorrow. And he wired it over, we raised exactly $100,000 That day, and by the grace of God, and it was another way of him confirming, hey, you're on the right track, move forward, get these banners up across the nation. And I can I can continue to tell you so many different testimonies. Well, let's, let's give people the the website so they can see where I was gonna say it's banners. For the number four, correct? Yes, freedom x.com banners for freedom.com. You can go and see these type banners and talk a little bit about the banners here. But I want to, I want to say that you've on your gifts and go, you've almost reached your goal of 500,000. Is that correct? That's what I'm saying. Yeah. So you know, this started here at 477. So you only need like, $23,000, you know, to hit that goal. And that's it. So talk a little bit about what's on the banner. And then what, what the money, because I'm assuming you haven't put them everywhere yet. There's actually four in my city. And I've actually seen this the banner, I've seen the COVID when I thought Oh, like that, but I didn't it didn't click who did that I just saw and I liked the fact that somebody was actually doing that. So I know, I've seen that banner that you've somebody's donated, or however it works that that they've paid for that advertisement? Yeah, well, it's because the donations are the people, right, we've come together, we brought our loaves and fish. And we asked the Lord to bless it. And that that's how this whole thing is funded. It's how it started with simply the donations of the people, we the people standing up and taking responsibility, because the government's not doing it, the mainstream media is not doing it. So as the army Lord, we're gonna do it, right, and we're gonna pull together and it's donations of $10, just donations of $100. You know, some people have funded entire billboards for a month, for two months, three months, it's a combination effort. And that $470,000 is simply from the donations to the people, we don't have any big sponsors or supporters. It's just folks that want to get the truth out. And we've been able to raise over 185 billboards across the nation since November 1, and these are digital billboards. So we know we'll contract them for a month, some of them we've contracted for two or three months. And what's what's nice about the digital billboards is you can put multiple ads up there. So when you see like, on our homepage, we have four main ones that scroll along the top one is the adverse reaction, event number that is reported to Health and Human Services, which right now is at 1.4 million. And then screenshare, that while you're talking Oh, sure, sure. And then there's the deaths, right? How many reported deaths, which is this all under reported? Now, according to the Harvard study, that was done by Health and Human Services called the Lazarus report, only 1% is actually being reported is what they had determined. So these numbers are as large as they are, are actually very small in regards to what's actually happening. But then we have hospital protocol kills, right, bringing attention to what they're doing with with these protocols, these deadly protocols, remdesivir, ventilator, you know, and death, and they get paid, you know, for these protocols are drawn attention to that. And then also, you know, defeat the mandates, right, all the mandates on different folks, you know, the shipping industry, the fighter partner that I mean, flight pilots, right, airline pilots, and so on, so forth, there's this mandates, you know, all across the US are drawing attention to that and then lifting people up, you know, other truth organizations that have just received so much censorship and have fought so hard, you know, on our behalf, you know, a lot of these folks do it. And they, you know, they don't even have the funds to do it, you know, they funded themselves just trying to get this information out. So we're trying to give back to them as the people for what they've done for us, and lifting them up on these banners. And just a great, great how you have, instead of just doing a banner, you have actually connections there, you're creating the two together the people that like great, great, great new, great healthcare, yeah, great healthcare blessed to have Jesse vac safety. Now one thing about the veirs Death number I remember early I don't remember. I was seeing it when it was 3000 4000. And that was already bringing alarm. Dell big tree. Is is was was helpful for me a lot because I listened to his podcast and he really talked a lot About the the various report and the actual and had some of the doctors. And so as that was being, you know talked about, I mean, we were at three and four and 5000 6000. And it's it 31,000. Now, I mean, that's incredible. And if you multiply that times what 80%, because only 1% of the people are actually. Alright, actually, they don't even count deaths from vaccine, if it's within the first like two weeks of receiving the jab. And that's when most people you know, will die from it. And so there's this bizarre, it's just, it's, it's evil, demonic. Just unbelievable that we're not, that is not talked about, on daily basis, people are still taking the jab, and nothing irks me, I'll go on a little rant here, but nothing irks me is watching a program and then seeing four, four advertisements for some kind of drug. And then you see the vaccine, PR, advertisement and Pfizer advertisements. And you know, it's just, it's just permeate in our society. And we've got, and that's what's so great about what you're doing is you're providing the truth, you know, versus the propaganda and the marketing. And so, yep, trying to bypass the media censorship and trying to take authority over, you know, one of the seven mountains of influence, and I believe, I believe the, the church, the Body of Christ, is about to take full control over these seven mountains. You know, I believe God is about to step in, he's gonna pull the lid off of this thing. And, you know, we will, once again have that that influence that we're supposed to have as the body over these these seven mountains. But this is this is the beginning of that. Are you getting some pushback from people on some of these ads? Or? Well, so? Yes, some of the larger billboard companies like Clear Channel, Lamar, even, you know, out front, they, they don't want to put this message out, right, it conflicts with the messaging that they have on their boards, because they're encouraging people, you know, to go get this job, and they have contracts. And, you know, they're all owned by BlackRock and Vanguard, and, you know, they're controlled on what information that they can put out. Now out front, you know, they've worked with us a little bit first, they said, No, and when we actually gave them a video, I've got the video, like a screen record, walking them through going to vars.hhs.gov. And the step by step to find this data is it's really hard to find a data and make that impossible. Yeah, it used to be really easy go on there. And it was so simple, you know, now, they did change that, because they knew so many people were going on there and finding the truth. So the best, the best place to go is open. They're so open the A E r s.com. This, this lady got to know her. She's amazing. Um, she had a vaccine injured child. And she found how hard it was to go to hhs.gov to get this information. So she is created this, this program that goes in there and takes that data and populates it into her website. So it's easy easily obtained, right for for any of us, you go there and every Friday when the there's the.gov updates, it updates on her website. It's all broken out. You get the deaths, the hospitalizations, urgent care, doctor office visits, anaphylaxis, Bell palsy, miscarriages, heart attacks, myocarditis permanently disabled, so on and so forth. Yeah, and if you go down, you click at the bottom of that, like, wow, look at that. I mean, that's such as for those that are on the podcast, you go to my YouTube channel, you'll see the video that we're doing the zoom here, but 2021 If you go if you go back, back to open bears.com Okay, open barris.com Yep. Oh, you got COVID vaccine data? I'm not I'm not seeing what you're seeing, I guess. Okay, yeah, open buyers.com. I'm seeing a search window. This one's got 2,320,850 reports of vaccine adverse event. It's not coming up on my screen here. I'm seeing a Go search window. So I'm not sure if it's transferring over to the Oh my screen share the screen share. Yeah. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. It's stuck on one. There we go. Okay, and then if you if you go down underneath that big number at the very bottom it says, oh, no, I'm sorry. Sorry. rollback up, you click on the the 31,000 COVID vaccine report this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you click on that it should take you to another page. Wow. 2021 So there's been there's more deaths, then. All that's been reported since 1990 of all vaccines combined. But even in 2020, when we had COVID. How in the world is that? That's, that's mind boggling. When you look at this chart, I mean, it just shows you that actually 2019 We had more deaths reported to VAERS, than we did in 2020. And then 2021, it explodes. Wonder what happened in 2021? Was there something that came about and 2021? Right? And if you if you go back up into the URL field, and just take out mortality, and then hit enter, Backspace. There we go. That's it. That's what I used to see when I would open betters.com forward slash COVID Dash data. And on there gives you the full report, breakdown 1,432,000 reports. And it breaks it down. 31,300 deaths since well, through 2022 of September, when did it start this? I wonder? Again, yeah, again, these charts are just so you just look at the chart. And you can't you can't deny the fact these are all deaths reported to various by year reports of deaths 2020, you know, barely a blip, there were more deaths. Like I said, in 20, there were 602 deaths reported in 2019. There were 420 deaths reporting 2020. And in 2021 21,880, I guess COVID took a year to take effect. didn't have anything to do with the jab, did it and try and those numbers above these graphs, those are strictly numbers from the COVID 19 vaccine only these numbers do not don't include all the previous ones from COVID report reported deaths. Yeah, that's, that's amazing. And, again, you know, they're gonna, you're gonna have people that kind of trash that saying, Well, it's, you know, it's unreal, it's for people just calling in and saying, Hey, I had a, I had a problem or something happened or a death, you know, if you have a death of a loved one, because COVID You want people to know, what really happened, and you want some way to report it? Or, you know, it's required by law for physicians to report to this system if something else did, yes, supposed to. And you know, they've been handicapped on that and told not to. So that's why it's one reason why it's under reported. But then those who report say, from just from the public, you know, if you were to go and make a report on this, it's actually a federal felony for you to falsify a report. And it's a big deal. It's not a misdemeanor, it's a federal felony for you to go in there and provide them an accurate information. So no, they take this seriously, there is a vetting process that they go through whenever a report is made. So it's not like anybody can just go make a whole bunch of reports. Like they actually vetted, they make sure you are who you are, you've gone through what you've gone through, and then they add it to the system. So are you going to branch out to eat in your in the billboards? Are you going to get into any other areas other than the vaccine? And the mandates? Are there, it just kind of depends on what we're dealing with, that needs to be spoken as far as truth, or any answer. Yes. We already have to a degree, you know, in addition to these four ads, you know, we'll throw in some some different ads every once in a while, some of them you know, calling out an election integrity, right? And then we'll do things trying to draw attention to say the 2000 meals documentaries, like everybody needs to see that. Alright, we will put that up there. You know, we put a we put an ad up there when Mara Largo got rated because a lot of folks didn't even realize that they've gone in there and raided the you know, the president's house. And there's been several several other different you know, as we've thrown in there, you know, talking about the Durham trials and some other things, but our Time Square billboard is where we really focus on coding alternative messages from the jab. So, you know, I don't know if you've got Telegram, if you could pull that Get up in screenshare. But if you were to go to our telegram banners the number for freedom on there, every week, there's a new Time Square message. And at the very top of our telegram page, there's the pinned messages. It's like a little tab, it says pinned messages. When you click on that pinned messages, it will cycle you through every one of our Time Square boards. We have a photographer that goes out there every week, and we'll take pictures and video and then we'll edit those put it together in a flyer. And then we'll put together an edited video showing, you know, what is up that week. And what's really amazing is that this is a corner board on the side of the ABC building. So this is kind of like a cornerstone, right? And then it's us like double portion, right? Because it's two boards. And once you can get two messages going at the same time. And this was truly a gift from God, we didn't have the funds to pay for this board. They they came to us we couldn't even get up in Times Square, which we had tried a contact at Clear Channel and they laughed at us and don't ever call us again. And we said Lord, if you want to sometimes score you'll get us in Times Square. left it alone, we got a call from this company, and they said, Hey, we we had a company purchase a three month slot on our board. For $90,000. They put 60 grand down, pulled out the contract and left the country. If you want their three months slot for 90,000. We'll give it to you for the remaining balance of 30 because they already paid 60 I was like amazing. Absolutely. Let's do I was like how much time do I have to make this decision? Like one day, we have to fill this slot? Like okay, babe, how much money we have in the account, we only have like $5,000 Because as soon as donations come in, we're putting up billboards as fast as we possibly can. So I was like, Okay, I'm not gonna get back to you tomorrow. So we prayed about it. And the next morning, I felt like the Lord said, hey, you know, I didn't put this in front of you to tease you with it. r&d. Trust me. Well, yeah, yeah. It's like I'm gonna, I'm gonna provide for what I put in front of you. You said, you know, you take care of this, and I'm gonna take care of you. I guess he was testing my faith or using as a testimony, but I went ahead and put it on my credit card. My personal card $30,000. I'd never put a charge like that on a personal credit card before but we did it in faith. Two days later, I kid you not this guy calls me on the phone. He goes, Hey, I heard you getting up in Time Square and tell me the story. And I tell him the story. And he goes, No, no, no, no, you did the right thing. But this is not your responsibility. He goes Give me your bank account. And he wired $30,000 into our account. totally covered that cost. So this is the Lord's board. He paid for it. He orchestrated it. He brought it to us. And so every week, you know, we're putting up different messages. We'll have, you know, we've done so many different things. You know, we have called out medical tyranny. We called out political tyranny. We put messages up with you know, Attorney Tom Moran's. We put messages up without, you know, cash Patel, there's just so many different things that we've done. And it's been live since January. Right? So information about January 6, so you've had this time square board since January, January had been just been rolling live, right? It's a 10 second animated ad runs, you know, 700 times a week. And from 6am to 2am. And, you know, he keeps applying for it, you know, every three months, they've renewed our contract, and they actually renewed it for the same $30,000 Even though it should cost 90, really was in favor of the Lord in favor of the Lord. And you know, this this last three months, we renewed it again, and we didn't have the funds to do it. So, you know, I took care of it and we're believing the Lord's gonna gonna, you know, take care of that, you know, for us and you know, we've had donations coming in, but that's, that's one way you know, folks can help us cover the costs on this time scoreboard. But you know, we're getting so many different messages out there. That's really fun to follow along into to see what's going up that week, we do a surprise shout out on the sideboard. We put the virus numbers up there, right, so the virus numbers had been rolling since the beginning and we had that going for the full 10 seconds on the sideboard. And then we cut that down to about five seconds and we were putting other messages up on that sideboard as well. Surprise shoutouts right to digital media warriors. What we wanted to do was extend the blessing to those that have been working so hard behind the scenes on social media trying to get this information out. So each week you know we'll pull someone out like Fidel Patriot or you know the Patriots are in control or the all these different social media warriors will put their their truth social, true social handle up there, and we'll put one of their posts and you know, a quote by them, you know, giving them a shout out usually like that cool. Well, you know, I mean, it has something impactful, a tactful message that goes with it. And it's a lot of fun. And you know, they find out that they're, you know, high and lifted up in Times Square, and they get all excited. And you know, they share it, and then just, that's the contractor New Year, I'm a contractor, too, I didn't we didn't talk about this. But yeah, I've been a general contractor for 20 something years, I build a bunch of houses. And, and I don't do a lot of that now, but you just you're an organizer, you, if you build a house, you know, you've got multiple people that you're bringing together to build this product. And I think that's a lot of what you're doing is that you've, you're, and you're willing to give back without asking for things. I mean, you're it's a part of what God is leading you to veiled through these, these billboards and stuff. And so it's, it's a natural fit for you to say, hey, this guy's my towel guy, you know, this is his work, this is what he did. Well, you're, you're, you're doing the same thing with these other social people and, and saying, Here's somebody else that's on the bandwagon of speaking for truth, and go on after the evil and, and trying to get the message out, and you're willing to have them be a part of what you're doing. And because, you know, you're only as good as the contractors that you use, you know, as a builder, or builder as a contractor to use. So yeah, that's your contractors, you understand, and I've had to explain to my customers, you know, hey, you know, I'm only as good as my subcontractors are, you know, so I make sure I keep the best subcontractors and I maintain a great relationship with them. And I'm always lifting them up and, and making sure they're taken care of, and what you know, what this is about, this is about, you know, the people coming together the army, the Lord coming together and supporting one another, you know, the enemy wants to come in and divide us, he wants to create division, he wants to create competition, and he wants to use our differences to separate us. And I really believe that the Lord right now is calling all of us to come together, put away our differences, put away competition, unite under one banner, and march forward and take down these giants, you know, we have been united for so long because of competition or differences. You know, the the disciples, they had differences and a lot of differences. But they've remained united, because they were on a common mission and a common goal. And they knew they had to remain united, they're going to defeat the enemy. And if they were going to be successful, and they put those differences aside, and they said, hey, look, we all believe Jesus is King. And we all believe that his kingdom is going to be established here on Earth. And we're going to be a part of that. And that's what we're doing right now. Now, we all all these different people that we lift up, I may not agree with everything that they say or do. But we all believe that Jesus is King. We all believe that this nation is destined to do great things, and God's got a plan and a purpose. And that we know we are going to take down these giants. So, you know, that's, that's what this is about, you know, we know, you know, Moses, you know, when he was out there, pardon the waters, right, and he's having to hold up his staff and his arms are getting tired. You know, the Lord sent people to lift up his arms. And that's what we have to do with one another, we got to lift each other up. And, and, you know, it's, it's rewarding to do that, you know, everyone wins. When we do when we do things for others. First, I think God, God honors that. And that's, and again, you know, you're you're preaching the gospel, maybe not in the way that the church, you know, is always seem to do, but we're in a different time. You know, I think the gospel has to go out. But it you know, we've had, we had our conversations about church and all that before the podcast, but, you know, I'm sure you've gotten a lot of feedback from people saying, well, you're being too political, you know, the church isn't supposed to do this, the church, you know, there's people that think the church isn't supposed to be involved in the seven mountains and, and, you know, it's just all ludicrous to think that we can be spreading the gospel when we're sitting in our churches, and we're not speaking out and we're not standing up and we're not going into the realms, you know, I'm I'm a precinct, a captain in my Republican Party in my county, you know, that's one step into the ring of speaking truth, because I'm speaking truth to the people within the party. And I can bring the gospel to those people within the party. That's not to say that the Republicans are all Christians, you know, you can go to a Christian school and find a bunch of heathens I mean, just because it's got the word Christian doesn't mean they're safe. So I think we've got to you know, if you if you're a contractor, you know, you're going into the business of building and working in places where there aren't Christians. So we just think of it as a straight centered I got to share the gospel with This one person and this one person, I think we really get away from being in the culture enough to make a change, right? No, it's okay. What would you say, and we know what you're doing. And I know, familiarize myself with your mission. Your mission is our mission. And your mission is the mission of so many other people right now, you know, and so, so many folks are being called to do exactly what you're doing and are recognizing, at the same time, hold on a second, you know, we, I think we've gotten ourselves into this mess, because we didn't go out and occupy, like we've been called to do, we didn't get involved in politics. I mean, that's what they did all throughout every story in the Bible, what were they doing, they were going out to the governments, you know, of the time the governors and the and the leader leaders, and Pharaoh and so on, so forth, and they were being they were being that light, and they were taking authority, you know, over these institutions, you know, we, we are the ecclesia, that the people we are to govern, govern ourselves, we, and then we make sure to hold accountable those who we have given that authority to govern, you know, we hold that ultimate authority, and we have to get involved. And it's been a line of deception of the enemy, to get the church to believe that we're just supposed to stay within our four walls and not get involved in anything, because the enemy knows that there's power, there's power where the Spirit of God is. And so if you can take the Spirit of God out of, you know, these seven mountains of influence, then, you know, he's got free, free rein the enemy to do what he wants, and he has, yes. And I think it's time and I think what you're doing is, we'll just wrap it up here, but I think what you're doing is so needed. Like I said, you know, just driving down the street and seeing the truth, being being publicized, and being marketed, I guess, in a way and being just put out there. I mean, because we're up against Goliath, of course, you got all the news networks. And, and, you know, just one little thing, I'll say, I was watching our local channel one day, and they did a story, I think it was on the vaccines or whatever. And it just infuriated me because because they were just spouting the law. And you know, we're talking to our local, everyday group, and they're just repeating the propaganda and the live from the higher ups. And I didn't have anything to do that day. So I decided I just take a little trip down to the local news channel. And, you know, want to speak to him. So I called him up actually, and said, hey, you know, who, who do I talk to regarding this, this most recent commentary you just did? And, you know, I didn't get a good response. The guy wouldn't tell me and he hung up on me. And I wasn't being belligerent. I was I was just trying to find out, well, who's in charge of those? You know, who goes is it editor, producer, whatever. And he hung up on me? Because I said, I'm just trying to find out, because I think what you're saying, is a total fabrication, and I just want to stand up against. And so I drove down there. Well, I got to the front door, and it was locked, of course. And then I had to talk through a little buzzer mic, you know, and, and next thing I know, they were fixing to call the cops only because I didn't have a mask on. I was uninvited and they didn't want to hear about it. And I was just like, did I get anywhere with that? Probably not. But it just infuriated me to see how much of a law is being perpetrated just by local, everyday news. And I think the more we can, more there are people like you that get out there and speak the truth and find unique ways that God prompts you to do it is is is important. We have to have that and it and I'm just calling on the church in general, the people in the leaders of our church to get behind you. You know, I've been to school board meetings, and I'm like, where's the pastor's? Where's the church? You know, you got the church goers that are showing up because they're fighting for the kids. And I'm like, where's the pastors that are speaking? God's word that was wondering, you know, real quick, when I went to the county commissioner meetings I was given those speeches we weren't just talking about exactly, you know, what was taking place with the medical tyranny. But half of my speech was scripture. I say half of it, but good part of it was reminding them, you know, who we are, who they are, biblically, and where we are biblically, in this time, because there weren't any pastors out there talking about it. No one's informing these people of of those truths, and someone's got to do it and you don't need a pastor to do it. We you know, we're all the body of Christ. You know, and we can all go in there and we can all share truth and they listen, that people really do listen, it makes a difference. And you just do it without expectation you do it as unto the Lord. And you know he'll he'll open those doors and orchestrated for you. Robert, appreciate your time. This has been great now let's go over the side against called banners for freedom.com. And you have a GoFundMe account. No, not GoFundMe. It's sorry, gifts in GoFundMe, the commies give sang goes to Christian base platform, amazing, amazing people over there. I met the owner of it Jacob Boyles, amazing guy. The gift Sanko it's, it's right there in the middle of the website says, donate here to raise a banner. One question I did him on this the money that shows that you've raised you you've already spent through this that right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We as soon as the donations come in, we're contracting billboards. And so we, we've, we've exhausted all of it. And, you know, my wife and I, we've donated all of our time to make this happen. You know, we put our business on hold, you know, we're not sitting here, you know, pulling a whole bunch of funds for ourselves to you know, live. You know, we've literally Yeah, there because you look at this, you go well, I got $477,000 in the bank, you know, sitting there waiting to spend it, no, it's gone. It's used up as soon as you use it, and you're you're fixing to head out to another rally, right? Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania. And I'm sorry, I keep forgetting what the Anaheim the reawaken America tour conference, reawakening tour now, have you gotten used to talking at those now? Yeah, you're, you're still a little nervous when you get up there? No, you know, I'm not nervous, because, you know, I'm just, I'm just sharing the testimony. Right? You know, I'm not making anything up, I'm not having to be, you know, a super intelligent guy that's got it all figured out, because I don't, but I'm just I'm just sharing a test. I'm, I'm sharing what God's doing in this hour. And you know, you speak from your heart, and there's nothing to be nervous about. That's great. I like to the people, that people want to hear what God's doing in the shower. You know, you know, the unsaved world wants to hear they, there's they're dying, literally, to hear what the church has to say about what's happening in this country. And that's what makes that's what gives me righteous anger is because the church isn't speaking to those people. You know, we only do it behind the scenes in, in, in the pulpits, we don't do it in the streets, in the marketplace, in the hospitals, in the media. And they're, they're looking to the church for the answers, because the church has the answers. You know, the church meaning me and you, me, and you are a church right now, anywhere ever two people gather in Jesus name. And so I think we've, I know, personally, we put a lot of effort on pastors, they do a great job, they, I mean, you know, we're not knocking them. But if we've put them on a pedestal to the point of, of, they're leading churches without giving the rest of the truth, and we're following along right with them. And so like you say, we need to just do our part. A God speaks to us in our private place a secret place and talks to us and says, hey, you need to do this leads us down this path. Like you're saying, you know, God has, has confirmed a lot of the things, maybe everything that you're doing every day, little piece by little piece that he's connecting it, he's confirmed, you know, me just being on a podcast, starting a podcast, because of reaching out to you. And, and, and within hours, you reach back and said, Hey, I love what you're doing. I'd love to be on it. And we're just getting the truth out, it's about speaking God's God's truth, but also the truth that people are just dying to hear. Yeah. And it's all being orchestrated by the Spirit of God. And that's, that's what is really resonating in this hour. What resonates, you know, with, with me with you in what you're doing, and so many others is, you know, we must be seeking the Spirit of God, you know, where the Spirit of the Lord is, there's freedom, right? And if we, if we were not operating in the Spirit of God, we're not going to know what direction to go. But when you're operating in the Spirit of God, you don't have to worry about tomorrow. You don't have to have it all figured out, because the Spirit of God will lead and guide you. And you know, I believe the Spirit of God is leading this nation into freedom. And out of captivity, a great exodus has come and a parting of the Red Sea. The return of the riches from the wicked to the righteous is going to come not for us, but for His glory. And it's going to be so we can establish his kingdom here on earth. Before he returns. He's gonna come back to a Briar towel spot and wrinkle. Yeah, and then people perish for lack of knowledge. And we don't want the people to perish. And that's, and that's why you're doing this knowledge. You're, you're giving people knowledge of what's happening with the vaccines, and the jab, and and all the things that we're coming against. You're out there doing it. And I appreciate it very much for what you're doing. God bless you. Once again, it's banners for freedom with the number four banners for freedom.com. Y'all check this site out, donate, get one of the boards up in your area. Now, can they reach out to you and say, Hey, can we do we want a board in a specific place? How did they do that? Sure, yeah, you can just, you know, email me banners and number for freedom@protonmail.com, or through the website as well. And we have several folks that they, they purchase their own boards in their area, or, you know, they they know of a company, a digital billboard company in their area that is a patriot owned billboard company that put this message out, you know, we can network with him. We've created a vast network of Patriot and on Billboard companies throughout the US that are willing to put up these more controversial messages. And you can see all the billboards on our website, there's an interactive map, little flames over the cities where you can actually zoom in, and it'll show you the billboards, because these are digital, we get webcam images back. So you get to actually see the ad live on the board that would happen to be there. And you can follow along there and follow along on true social or Telegram, you know, we post up there, you know, as sports go live, you can raise your own banner. Yeah, I did that I went on there and found the ones in my city. So go in there and find out if your city has one. And if it doesn't have one, Be the person. Be That One guy. And maybe God will send you more people and you know, so just encourage everybody to do that. Robert, submitter pleasure. Thank you so much. God bless you and your continued work and what you do. Thank you, Gary. Have a blessed Friday. All right, you too, sir. All right. Let me hit pause. Transcribed by https://otter.ai 

Welcome to Freedom Friday w/guest Dr. Steve Turley, join us as we discuss the attempted cancel culture attack on Steve's new Documentary "The Rise of the American Patriot.  How a Remnant church stepped up and saved the premier and why its important to stand with others in times of censorship.https://www.turleytalks.com/https://www.facebook.com/turleytalks/https://twitter.com/DrTurleyTalkshttps://www.instagram.com/turleytalks/https://rumble.com/c/DrSteveTurleyhttps://insidersclub.turleytalks.com/welcome  Welcome to freedom Fridays. This is Dr. Steve Turley. And he is a well, you're an author, you're a movie maker, you have a podcast, you've got a YouTube channel, if you've if you've been on YouTube, I mean, which I haven't you see this guy, and I love. I love your demeanor, your care, your kind of your, your style of commentary, because it's very, it's funny, it's light hearted, you know, because we're looking at some dark subjects. And you bring such a good, just uplifting and entertaining way of looking at some of these things. So I appreciate you coming on the program. Steve  6:17  Oh, thanks, Gary. It's it's, it's my honor, we were just talking earlier, you know, you are in a bluer area and a very, very red state. So I'm in a very, very blue state. And so I guess on the little red dot and that blue state. So we have, we see we see comparable challenges in our own backyards. And I think we can encourage each other a lot through it. Gary Duncan  6:41  Yeah, thank you. Let's talk about your new document that you just came out on the 15th, I believe. And I'll read a little bit about some pushback you got as soon as it came out before it came out. Your your documentary is called the return of the American patriot. Because you're the page you're the professor, patriot, right? Patriot, Professor, Steve  7:00  Patriot professor, that's Gary Duncan  7:02  you, I was thinking, if I had you as a professor, when I was in college, I probably would have stayed awake during history class. Because I mean, your the way you bring about the news and and things that are happening in our culture and in the church and things like that, is it just keeps you it keeps you focused, but entertained enough to to not walk away really ticked off. You know what I'm saying? And you bring a great perspective to it. So talk a little bit about the documentary you've got out, and you're kind of some of the things you've run against, you know, producing Oh, Steve  7:41  yeah, well, so this movie really tries to present that our 20 minute documentary, that kind of hopeful optimism that Ronald Reagan gave to us any great movement is going to have to be optimistic at its very core also ends up eating itself and dies or just look at woke leftism, and just the resentment that killing their movement. Yeah, this returning the American patriot is actually a it's a, it's a documentary on the rise of the Pennsylvania Magga movement. It really is the story of how ordinary Americans who never before involved in politics rose up in mass and mobilized to successfully take on unconstitutional COVID mandates, election integrity issues, woke school boards all across their state. It's a very inspirational story of the people effectively pushing back against the permanent political class. And you would think that anyone who openly supported democracy would be interested in a film like this, you know, it's as democratic as it gets. But little did we know that the very drama we captured on film would actually play itself out in real time for the premiere we had. We had scheduled a live premiere on July 16th, at a local IMAX theater in Lancaster, Pennsylvania called Penn cinemas and they had a 400 seat capacity. We opened up the tickets and we sold out literally in hours. We sold out in 24 hours, those 400 tickets. And then we learned just days before the premiere that a group of woke activists called Stand Up Lancaster cry bullied the movie theater to cancel our premiere. Remember, these are people who actually believe you can work try to wrap your mind around this. These are people actually believe that censorship is a form of free speech. They literally believe that right? They defend big tech and all sorts of censoring us because they say that's their right to their own freedom of speech. That's their Gary Duncan  9:58  free speech. Ah, that's their nobody else's. Steve  10:02  Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Well, sad. Right? Exactly. Again, it's a square circle. It's just, it's beyond absurd. They cry bullied this movie theater to canceled premiere and unfortunately the owner of the theater was a coward and he caved and canceled our contract just days before the scheduled viewing. So there we were without a venue for tickets sold. No venue. So we went to another venue. And it was the Wyndham hotel in Lancaster. And they gave us a contract to rent out their theater venue there. They had hosted the republican party a few months prior to that the state Republican Party, so we thought we were pretty safe with them. And they there was they had an 800 seat capacity. So we doubled our ticket sales again. So it was really like, Oh, this is great. This is awesome. And then the same thing happened. They were they were they weren't just cried bullied, I was told there was even threats of mob violence if they didn't shut us down. And and so there we were two venues canceled. We were being mocked and ridiculed by the local Lancaster paper, which is a total left wing rag. It's the most Whoa, it's called LNP. It is pathetic, their board of editors actually came out and defended these practices. So again, now we have a medium major media outlet local media outlet defending censorship. It's absolutely astonishing. And keep in mind, Gary, keep in mind for a movie no one had ever even seen. This, this was this was the most dangerous movie, no one saw. I mean, literally no one. I hadn't even sat through the whole thing by this time, right? They were getting my staff was gonna surprise me with the whole edited version. So there we were no venue. And that is and this is why I'm so honored to talk with you. That is when the pastors of Christ Community Church and Camphill godly men stepped in, they have a 1200 seat auditorium, replete with a full movie theater quality sound system, massive movie theater size screen, and they offered it to us and their 1200 seat auditorium. We ended up selling all 1200 tickets. Okay, so we went from 400 to 1200. Talk about three fold increase, right? Yeah, God Gary Duncan  12:28  had better plans for you than you thought it and Steve  12:31  that there's no way we could have planned this. We would never have planned our brains don't think that way. Let's plan for a 1200 seat, you know, Premier with Doug Mastriano there and all that sort of stuff, kind of stuff who's running for governor there? They offered to us and the moment these leftists heard about that, they started threatening the church. Okay. Again, this tells you who these people really are. They started threatening the church they were going to contact the IRS which they did. Again, there was an the same media outlets did the exact same thing. You know, violating separation between church and state bringing Doug Mastriani was campaigning for Governor there in person and blah, blah, blah, violating the Johnson Amendment all this nonsense. And and so when it ended up having all of this you know, proverbial dung hitting the fan. Even the lawyer of the church told the pastors you need to drop this, right, because lawyers are risk averse. That's what do you need to drop this? We're getting, we don't want the IRS breathing down our neck and so forth. Those two pastors stood firm. They told their lawyer take a hike. We're standing for liberty and truth. And, and, and they hosted us. We came in 1200 People Doug mastriano, huge premiere, it was absolutely amazing. Electric standing ovation at the end. And in the end, Gary, in the end, seven protesters showed up they weren't even allowed on to the vicinity. They had to hang out on the street across from the church seven protesters with their little arts and crafts, you know, signs document separation between church and state. I think even one guy said I worship Satan something ridiculous right? And, and just to show you that God, God does have a very wonderful sense of humor for his children. Gary, it was raining. So they had to stand out there in the rain, with their masks on looking repulsively ridiculous as people who love faith, family and freedom were all gathered together in an astonishing fellowship. It was absolutely beautiful. You know, Doug master on game got up gave a very great It's just and, and beautiful talk. And it was an amazing testimony to what patriots can do when we all stick together. Gary Duncan  15:09  Wow, that's awesome. As you were talking about that I was getting this picture of this little, tiny weeny little mouse and this huge elephant. And, and it gives me encouragement because I've really focused a lot on where's the church, and I could see how the left and the small 1% or half a percent of a population controls the whole country and my church. And so we really that's encouraging to hear. And and it's who's the church again, is you need to you need to give that name out again, because the people that hosted you and those pastors because they really that's a there and a thing goes for that. Yeah, Steve  15:51  absolutely. Christ Community Church in Camp Hill, Pennsylvania, Camp Hill, two words, Pennsylvania, Gary Duncan  15:58  they if you're looking for a church in that in that city, then this is the one to go to, because they that's what you that, to me, that's Ephesians six, you know, when you stand and they're willing to stand against all odds, and that's, that's awesome. Steve  16:13  And just just to drive this home, the pastor when he got up to give the prayer before the whole event, invited everyone of course, if you're looking for churches to come here, and by the way, next week, we're showing another movie 2000 mules. So these guys, are they these guys are the real deal. Gary Duncan  16:32  They are the remnant church. Steve  16:34  They are so bold, it's beautiful. Gary Duncan  16:38  That that is great. What would you so that was the one way churches and the community to you know, leadership in church could get involved? Get your get your documentary and have it hosted at their church? I mean, are you are you pursuing that at all or looking? Steve  17:00  Oh, yeah, no, we've had we had the documentary going around all over the place now at this point. So it just last Thursday. It went live live streaming. So now you can actually stream it live. If you go to the return of the American patriot.com You can get your own copy. And, and absolutely, I think we even have a situation. We have a protocol from where you can you can show it in a mass viewing. Okay. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Gary Duncan  17:31  And I'll put the links in the show notes and all that for a site and all that. What's tell us a little bit about some of the stories or the things that are in the movie are a couple of them just kind of thesis. Steve  17:43  Yeah, well so what it centers on so Pennsylvania is interesting because it is probably the single most Rhino infested state in the nation a lot of people don't know that so when we think of like you know, Republicans in name only write your Neo cons just just PETE Yeah their note well I prefer Diablo Democrat and all but label or you know if they're part of the unit party the Lindsey Graham's the Mitt Romney's the middle Lincoln project, right to Lincoln Lane candy project. Exactly. Liz Cheney. They're there. They're part of the permanent political class. It's radically secularized, radically globalist that hates our culture's customs traditions, hate family, faith, family and freedom. Those things get in the way of their their globalist projects and so forth Gary Duncan  18:34  are wolves in sheep's clothing. Steve  18:36  They really are because they because they campaign is patriots but then they Governor governor's permanent political class members. And when we tend to think of states like that, I mean up until recently, we tend to think of some a place like Arizona where you know, John McCain had such an inordinate effect effects and influence well that's gone now Carrie Lake and Blake masters and Mark Finch him have all crushed that it's now Maga country and Carrie Lake is going to win by the way she's definitely on track and I think like masters gonna have no mark Finch up to he's almost 10 over his opponent. So the these people he's going for Secretary of State so the, you know, you tend to think that these people these rhinos are in places like Arizona or even most recently, like Utah with Mitt Romney and their crazy Governor given his pronouns out and all this sort of nonsense. Okay, keep in mind these are Republicans, but but Pennsylvania is actually the worst Pennsylvania the Republican Party is no different, literally than the Democratic Party when Doug Mastriano one who's a dear Christian brother, amaze me. He's He's literally now the poster boy for Christian nationalism, as they call it today. The big boogeyman we could talk about that, which is a lot of fun, you know, but nevertheless, he, when he got the nomination was almost 50% of the vote with a Guys in that race for the Republican nomination, the top five Republicans in the Senate, his suppose it colleagues, he's a state senator, they all turned around and endorsed the Democrat Josh Shapiro. And keep in mind, Gary, Josh Shapiro is all for unfettered abortion. Right. He's all for, you know transgenderism is all for CRT in our, in our classrooms. I mean, this is full blown woke nonsense and Republicans are endorsing it. This movie is all about moms and dads and grandparents and people who've never been involved at Amish Pennsylvania dodge, all rising up together, mobilizing and organizing and taking back the Republican Party with Doug Mastriano has nomination being sort of the crown jewel of this project, taking back the Republican Party away from these rhinos, these Diablos and giving it back to the people so that the values of faith, family and freedom become the values of the party they want all they want. In the end. It's a process, the technical processes known as re territorialization. Yeah, it's a fancy schmancy word. But what it just simply means what we're seeing today, and this is what I think Christian nationalism actually is. It's if globalism, de territorial losses of globalism, dis embeds and dislodge his political life away from the local and to the trans local to this managerial class that oversees the entire political and economic complex, if globalism, D territory alized his political involvement, what the what the collapse of globalism is basically is a re territorial loss. And it's bringing politics back to the people back to the local back to the county and the community. And what you're seeing in Pennsylvania in particular, but you're seeing it all over Pennsylvania is a microcosm, what you're seeing is these communities, all organizing all across their counties to create a single party, that is once again, upholding the values, interests, concerns of those who love faith, family and freedom. That's all they want. They just want their leaders to represent their values rather than despise them. And that's the movie takes you through the journey of how they did that through the COVID mandate and sanity through the CRT and sanity and through the election. You know, shenanigans in 2020. Gary Duncan  22:43  With would this be sound like a great movie that I need to show in our Davidson County Republican Party group to see how it's done? Because, you know, as we talked earlier, I was I'm in a red state, you know, super majority of Republicans in the state. But in my county, which is the state capital of the Davidson County, which were the state capitalism. It's full blown blue, communist. I mean, those school board is full on communist liberal. I mean, they voted down the Nash, the Republican National Committee come into town for the convention. Yeah, we're, we're, we're going to be paying for people to go across our state employees to go across the state lines to get abortions. I mean, it's just bizarre. And, you know, how do how does a small well, not a small county, but the main county in the state had, how do we fight against this? I mean, were those small, local areas, were they blue? Or were they more red, and people just came together? I know, it's a groundswell of grassroots effort. Steve  23:54  It is so Pennsylvania's can be a little different, because Pennsylvania, so if anything, like we're talking about earlier that the the Republican Party is a bit complacent in Tennessee from from what I'm hearing, or to say, whereas whereas in Pennsylvania, that complacency, characterized the last three decades, and and now there's kind of a reawakening going on. And, yeah, it applying it to your particular locality would be interesting that that's going to involve, I think, some some, you know, creative inventiveness on your part. How do you awaken the population, your own locality, one thing that seems to be doing it and this there's a section in this movie that touches on it, one thing that seems to be doing it is wokeness wokeness is freaking out, even the left. That's something we've got some studies on that now. So we're finding that anything woke will actually tend to split the left. So think of people like Bill Maher, or peers Morgan or a Dave Rubin, either even even even a Jordan Peterson would have said he would have been considered center left. Five years ago, you would have considered himself center left five years ago. They, they they abhor wokeness every bit as much as any conservative wokeness is, is a pourraient to most people. And so the more we push culture wars, and this is what Mastriano is doing. It's what Glenn Younkin did. So well so ingeniously in, in Virginia, back in the 2021 election, where he's pushing CRT CRT soon, and he made Terry McAuliffe actually defend teachers, unions, school boards, and CRT and that split the last half of Macola Fs constituents went back, I don't want that. Whereas the other half were ravenously, eating it up like zombies, you know, eating up a body or something like that. So that's one side of it. But the other side of it is as it's splitting and laugh, woke issues, unite the right woke issue for and again, for lack of better terms left and right, right. But it unites the right unites the Republicans. In other words, if you ask Democrats, do you support this work issue? 50% Say yes. 50% say no, you ask Republicans to support this work is you 100% basically say, No. So Republicans are more likely to come out and vote against a woke issue than Democrats are to come out and vote for it. So pushing the culture wars, from the vantage point of the woke left exposing the woke left, that seems to have a very powerful animating capacity. Gary Duncan  26:48  So how going back to churches again, because that's my thing is Yeah, is because they've got the biggest voice, because they've got people in front of them. And what you just said there is pushing the culture because the church should be the one that changes culture, not the culture, change the church, of course, and we need those pastors and those leaders that will take that very thing and push that narrative of the culture in a biblical way that educates and motivates the people sitting in the pews. And, and I'm not seeing that I'm starting to see a lot around the country happen. And I'm seeing one or two or three maybe churches here in town that do that. But it's not, I don't see it as and that's why I like you, because you're very positive. I'm usually a positive guy. But after 2020, I just went downhill. Yeah, positiveness. Because it saw assault. 2020 is is the dividing point within the church of woke and realism. There because we're in a spiritual war, we're in our spiritual war that I don't think people really get. It's a biblical revelational. In times spiritual war, we've always been in war. But this one takes a different to me, this one takes on a different connotation, because what we're doing to the children, what we're allowing to be done to the children in the name of not offending other people, you know, with masks and all the stuff and then the wokeness in the schools. And I've been to several school board meetings, and I think I've yet to see a pastor stand up, and shame and, and, and preach to the school boards, right about what they're doing. I've seen regular people. And I think that it has to actually some a lot of the movement is coming from the people sitting in the pews that are sick and tired. Yes, what's going on? And there's nothing in the pulpit that says, This is how we deal with transgenderism. This is how we deal with because they don't want to get yelled at. They don't want to leave the church because we had a church split. Pastor left, but he's a very, I'm telling you, Steve burger. I mean, if you ever heard him, right, he's on fire about what we should be doing. Ryan. Steve  29:13  It is it is. It is a a very chilling testimony, that the person who has done more for Christianity and has just recently delivered, perhaps the single best message to the church is from a Canadian psychologist who doesn't even go to church. Gary Duncan  29:35  Jordan Peterson? Oh, yes. Okay. Okay. Right. Steve  29:38  Right. I mean, that's it. That's a testimony to either Well, I should say it's a judgment. I mean, that's, I mean, if you think about how, what he has been able to say, I mean, I don't know if you saw his message to Christian churches. I like to Well, yeah, it's very good. It's very good. I've got on my channel. I did a little commentary. on it, but it was absolutely brilliant. Woke I mean, he he made he didn't he didn't mince words, woke ism is a crippled religion. It is an it is a it is a pernicious violent ideology that wants to erase the church. And so the only way the church is going to push back against woke ism is by not being woke. But being the opposite. And and you cannot be more opposite woke than to speak into the hearts and minds of the men of your congregation. You've got to speak to the men. And you've got to let men all over the nation know that if they want to be men. And if they want a place where they're allowed to be men without being disparaged. The only place is the Christian church. That's when you see revival. When you see men come because you know the old saying if you if you when children and your evangelistic efforts if you win children, you win children, okay? If you if you if you win, wives, you know, you win wives, but if you win, husbands, you win the husbands, you win the wives and you win the children, there's a right there's, there's an order to which God created the world a creational order. And woke ism is just throwing it all into utter chaos, as did Satan and Genesis chapter three, the serpent, turn the world upside down, right? It's supposed to be God, man, woman animals, and we're just not in that, that kind of order. And Satan that the serpent turns around and makes it animal woman man and God's not even there. Right. So that's the great inversion that we've seen. So woke ism is very, it's just, it's just in line with that. So what we entered understand what's really going on big picture seems to me is that for the last 100 years or so that's those were when the seeds were being sold sown, but it really came to fore in the 1940s, as I understand it. Before 1940, the Supreme Court saw religion as a public good, as did all of our founding fathers. They all believed in what's called an accommodationist conception of religion. And the accommodations, conceptual religion is church and state work together in partnership for the betterment of human society, to create a republic of virtue of free men, because they knew the founding fathers knew that the only way we could be free, is if we were self governing, but the only way we could be self governing is if we had if we we tapped into a virtue tradition of some kind. And for them, of course, 98% of them that's going to be Christian and formed fruits of the Spirit, you name it, right Sermon on the Mountain, like 10 commandments, but the only way you can really tap into a faith tradition genuinely, is if you're free. Right? So and the only way you're ultimately free, is if you're if you're cultivating some kind of virtue, but the only way you're cultivating virtue is by tapping into some kind of faith. And the only way you're tapping to real true faith is through freedom which grows virtue which God has faith with God is free. That's called the Golden Triangle of freedom. And so they understood the church is indispensable to a free people. You have to have a sacred vision of the good to which we can all aspire, in order for us to be a people living in Liberty walking in Liberty, right? The Galatians passage barks a lot. For liberty, you have been set free. After 1940 For whatever reason, it's hard to pinpoint why but obviously, it seems to be something in the legal the law schools in the universities, the Supreme Court started instituting a separation test doctrine between church and state. So while the accommodations doctrine always made a clear distinction between church and state, the state's not the church, the church, not the state, Christ's humanity and divinity, right. They're not commingled in the lie. By Gary Duncan  34:24  grant. That's why they came to America, one of the reasons they got away from England, Steve  34:28  because it was a state church. Exactly. Right. Exactly. Right. So so the church and the state are different, and yet they work together. And that's what made our experiments so powerful, so amazing, because freedom is what holds it all together, in that sense. And so then, after 1940, the Supreme Court started instituting more of a separations for you and we know that because they started quoting from a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote rode to the Danbury, Baptists, Danbury, Connecticut, I'm not born not too far away from there, where he used this phrase against, not even in the Constitution, Jefferson didn't even write the constitution is not even in the Constitution, you know the phrase, the separation between church and state. And before 1940. That phrase was only used as I understand about a handful of times in Supreme Court decisions and deliberations in the light after 1940. It's been used 1000s of times. So something happened there. And what that did in effect is it drove the church from the public square, and consigned it solely into the private sphere of life care. You see it in our urban planning, you know, think of your New England Commonwealth, what was the most prominent building on the town green, the steeple, the church, absolutes, the church, you go into the medieval towns of Europe, the most prominent building that you see in the center of this beautiful medieval city, it's the church, right, and the castle is right across from often in the shadow of the church. So in our urban planning, we can see the the role the place that the church played in a flourishing human society today in modern urban planning, where's the church? Gary Duncan  36:25  Not it's beside the coffee shop, Steve  36:28  you got it. That's it, you got it. It's in the place of consumption, and consumerism. So you've got your, you've got your pizza hut, you know, you've got your dry cleaners, and you've got first Methodist, you've got it, it's push, it's pushed into the periphery, the private sphere of life. And here's how we tie it all together, Gary, there is no way that the church can proclaim truth, social truth, cultural truth, in that position, any more than Pizza Hut can. That's what happened to us. We got privatize, we were talking about it. Earlier in the break. You said it perfectly belonged to the church today, in most people's minds, even inside the church, thank God for the Holy Spirit, converting our hearts. But even inside the church, our social conditions have trained us to believe that being part of the church is being part of a club. It's being part of you might as well be part of weightwatchers right or what our yoga club or whatever it is, it has no objective moral truth to its proclamation anymore. So it's now ridiculed and laughed at and dismissed, and the like, what pastors are going to have to rediscover. And by the way, the Maga movement is right there to help them with this. What they're going to have to rediscover is a voice that can speak publicly. Again, this is not personal, private truth. Christ is truth, the law galls holds the universe together. And when we proclaim God's truth, that's true for everyone, regardless of whether you believe it or not, because that's public and a private, I get it personal, private, Subjective Truth. That's your deal. That's my deal. You like pistachio? I like chocolate. No problem, I got it. But when you're dealing with public, social life, truth is objective. It applies to all not just some, it's objective. It's not just subjective, it's obligatory. It's not just optional. Now, of course, we're free to respond. But that freedom of response is predicated on the objectivity of that truth. And that's what our pastors have to rediscover, when they rediscover it. They were discovered this that we're on fire. Gary Duncan  38:50  Yeah, I think, like you're saying, we've lost the identity or am I'm really about waking up the leadership, because the leaders are what leads the people, not the people lead the leader, but that's kind of where it's going. But we've lost our identity and our authority in our power. I mean, I'm reading the Bible, and it's saying, you know, these signs shall follow those who believe you will cast out demons you will heal the sick, right? speak in new tongues, and I'm looking around I'm going well, when's the last time I cast out a demon? Or anybody's cast out a demon and healed the sick and it's like, that's our heritage. God gave us through the Holy Spirit these abilities when he chooses to do those things. And if if leadership is not telling us and helping us, it's because that's the purpose. The purpose of these gifts are to edify the church so we can go out and do these things. And it just it just and that's why 2020 blew me away so bad is because the deception that came about And it's like, who are we anymore? And no wonder young people in the Millennials don't want to get involved in a church unless it's happy clappy and coffee and smoke machines and fog machines and all that kind of stuff. You know, it's a country club again. So and the one thing I'm, and here's my negative, so help me out here. I think when we get to the when we do wake up the left, and the evil that's behind the globalists and all the things, they're not going to let it go too long. I mean, you're talking about, it's getting time to where we're going to sacrifice more than just our good name, our lives, our livelihood, there's people out there now doing that and praise God to those that are standing and fighting. But I think that what the the leadership of the church needs to really get ready, is to gird up, because I see the coming age of the church not being happy clappy, but it's gonna be persecuted beyond belief where we're at coming. You see what they did in 2020? What's What are they willing to do if they're willing to kill children? And they're willing to euthanize the older and they're willing to, to propagate a bio weapon across the whole world? What are they willing to do? Ya know, it's scary when the church does stand up, what are they willing to do and we got to be ready for it. We got to know how to fight back. And that's my whole thing. We're not fighting. We've raised a bunch of in the last 50 years, we've raised a bunch of chocolate soldiers. You're in the first moment of any heat, we melt like, like little statues of a bunny rabbit. Steve  41:42  But that's what privatized faith does it right. It has it has no backbone, you know, it's like, you know, you renounce pistachio ice cream, I'm gonna punch you okay, I pronounced that. Right. That's that. That's what privatize faith does? It is it is. There's no I mean, when Alexander Solzhenitsyn came over to the United States, and gave his Harvard address in 1979, that amazing address called the world split apart. One of the first things he did it, I mean, everybody thought he was gonna go rah, rah West, he actually said no, Soviet Union is pretty horrible, pretty terrible. But the West is just a secular, it's just as atheistic and you're gonna go in the same direction, you're just you're doing it with four car garages, you know, you make it a little bit more tolerable. And he said, the one thing he noticed about the West, the principal characteristic that caught his eyes, we've lost courage. And in the classical world, the Four Virtues, wisdom, moderation, justice, and courage of those four, and that, you know, corresponds to the four elements of the cosmos. Right, that's all held together by the law girl. So we've got our four gospels, right, that all held together by Christ, the logos themselves, and then we have the additional faith, hope and love virtues and all that sort of stuff. It's all part of this amazing world, this identity would belong to 2000 years old, and even stretching before that with these, these pagan traditions that end up getting transfigured and, and by Christ himself. I mean, Solzhenitsyn pointed out, you know, of those Four Virtues, all the ancients recognize courage was the most important one, because without courage, you don't have the fortitude to defend the other three. Without courage, you can't defend, in this case, faith, hope and love. You can't defend it. You can't defend faith, family and freedom requires. It requires courage. So I think, look, I think the good news in this is, again, you look around the world and what's happened. You had 70 years of Soviet communism ravaged land. That was the jewel of Byzantium. Okay, so you're talking Czarist Russia, 60,000, ornate, gorgeous churches. Some of the biog some of the historical biographies you'll read, I mean, they weren't incredibly Pieta stick people, extraordinarily so Bolsheviks come in, and literally ravaged it so that by the end of that 70 year period, interesting, interesting number of by the way, at the end of that 70 year period, there were only 2000 functioning churches left they were gone, that it was going through 1000 monasteries during the Czar's period. Not a single monastery was an operation when the when the Soviet Union fell. And by the way, keep in mind, keep in mind, the very day the Soviet Union officially fell the most atheistic regime on the planet. Of course, it was December 25. It was Christmas Day, right. So a new birth happened because now here we are 30 years later. And by the way, this is this is true for much of eastern Europe as a whole 30 years later, a Russia is now approaching upwards of five 50,000 churches, they are on track by the year 2050, to be in full restoration of that czarist orthodox glory and the book by John Burgess, a theological historian at Pittsburgh seminary, where he went out to study the role of Christianity in Russia right now, what happened in Russia, in effect was communism got replaced by orthodoxy. So the vacuum that communism left was filled by going back to their identity by going back to their civilization, their cultures, a customs, and traditions. So for right or wrong, all that sort of stuff, you're not getting it all that what we have to understand is, that was after 70 years of the single most incessant atheistic regime on the planet that was literally killing millions upon millions upon millions of people. And here we are 30 years after it's collapsed. And the church is on fire. They're like never before there was a 2012 study done by the journal for the scientific study of religion. And they they had a marker of religious revivals, they had about seven different gauges for determining the level of religious revival. And they concluded there's no way around it. Christianity is on fire. So is Soviet Union falls and 1992. Only about 3019 91 Sorry, 30% of the population because themselves Christian, today. 70% does, it's hot. It's cool to be a Christian, and we're like we were talking about earlier today, what they were able to do is they were able to rediscover it and re weave Christianity into their culture into their, into their life. We they could do that with with, you know, their Russian Orthodox resources. And imagine what we can do with our evangelical resources. The way we can reawaken the church and weave it into every aspect of life. So yeah, it's gonna be dark. No question. Yeah, there's a Friday upon us. But you know what day follows Friday. Darkness of Friday is always followed by Sunday. Always. That's the Christian gospel all ways guaranteed. And when we have that faith, when we have that confidence, we cannot be intimidated. And when we cannot be intimidated, we like an axe, we begin turning the world upside down. Gary Duncan  47:40  Oh, great. I feel better already. No, that's good. That's good. I know you gotta run. One last question. We're gonna take it. See real quick. I'll edit this out. Sure. Okay. And you may have already answered but so where do you see us going from here in our culture? I know you're involved with reawakening tour. You've been involved with that. So with the church, do you? Where do you Well, let me ask you this. Where do you see England going? Now that we've got this new monarchy? That Well, Queen Elizabeth, she died? Okay. Sure. Sure. 70 years in reign? That's an interesting historical marker right there. Steve  48:35  Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Which? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Cuz in many ways, she really was the last monarch of Christendom, of real genuine Christian emerge, she was, she was anointed, she was literally anointed with the Holy oil as Queen back in her and throne, their coronation 1953 It was the same coronation ceremony that goes all the way back to the 10th century to their very first king. And, and she did she I think she she held that position brilliantly, as only she could is sort of the last, you know, Elizabeth and member of the Elizabethan era, as it were, where we go from here is very difficult to see because England has again like we do they have a choice and but England? Well, no, it's going to be the same to be the same. In many respects. The choice is, are you going to continue down this futile road of flippant leftist skepticism and doubt and secularism? Or are you going to rediscover in many ways, like Her funeral was a call to do? And this by the way goes for Anglican clergy, who were probably even worse than most lay people on this woke nonsense stuff. I know I went to school with them. in Durham University, are they going to re embrace truth as understood in 2000 years of the Christian tradition unbroken? Or are they going to go the way of secular leftist liberalism? If they go back to truth that is going to be the most unifying, powerful, socially revivifying choice they could possibly make. If they go down the road of secular flippant you know, liberalism, the UK will dismember you can write that down. The UK will dismember it will fall and we're talking was we're talking first all of its abroad territories, you know, in the, in the, in the Caribbean area and so forth and Pacific and it's, it's going to dismember there and then you'll start to see the Scottish referendums come out, you're gonna start seeing United Ireland movements come out like never before, you're gonna start seeing Welsh nationalism come out, like you're gonna see English nationalism come out like never before we start breaking apart what it'll break apart and and it'll start tribal laws, and there's no way and I think we're going that's inevitably what's gonna happen with us. Because that's, we're already there. The 35 nations have been added to the world map since 1991. Since the fall of the Soviet Union, we're already there. Write a text that today is more popular than it's ever been, right, the Texas independence movement. I mean, it doesn't matter what we're looking at. Everywhere we look whether it's the breakaway republics and Donetsk and Lugansk, in the, in the Donbass region in Ukraine, whether it's Transnistria Transnistria, is a breakaway Republic from Moldova that wants to hook up back with with Russia, or Burundi and Rwanda or Slovakia and the Czech Republic, the two Sudan's, you name it everywhere we look, the world is breaking up. And the question is, what can hold it together? What holds the nation together and you said, you use the word culture, and the church being at the center of culture, we have to remember what the word is at the heart of the word culture. And that's the Latin cult cult us. We're not talking about people knocking on your doors, giving you tracks and I had to lead us to worship or something like that. Right? Right. We're talking the old old word cultist, meaning worship, the place of worship, your culture always comes out of, it flows out of the font of what you worship. And if we are going to worship, if we're gonna go back to worship God, in the way that has sustained Western civilization now, for 2000 years, we're gonna have another 2000 years, no problem, if we're gonna go and embrace this brave new world, things will break up. There's no way the brave new world of secular liberalism, gloves, and so forth is going to shatter, it's going to collapse. And we're going to break up into all of our own different regional loyalties or, or ideological loyalties or religious worlds, whatever it is, or increasing like BLM and so forth. Racial loyalties, we're going to try belies breakup and there's nothing that will stop that apart from returning to our Christian faith, the Christian faith alone will hold the UK together, the Christian faith alone will hold the United States together, I am very optimistic about the United States. I have to be honest, I'm not particularly optimistic with the UK. Gary Duncan  53:49  So the church is the glue that holds it all together, our Christian faith, and so that if we can regain our identity, which I think that's kind of the grassroots the move that that's coming along is regaining our roots in our belief, and in America, the church, and what are our power and authority is in the culture, I think you're right, if we can regain that back and take it back from the darkness, we do still have some time we are the salt and the law. And so ultimately, that's, that's our job is to, to, to push back evil, and to you know, continue to have freedom in this country. So the return of the American patriot, your documentary, that's a good place to start to getting encouraged and I'm gonna get a hold of that and watch it and get encouraged to to just stand and fight and like Ephesians six says to stand and that's what we're doing and I appreciate you very much for what you're doing and, and all the work that you're doing through YouTube and just getting the word out because every little bit counts. You know, and you're doing a big part. So I want to encourage the little guys out there as well. You know if you've got a voice to stand and fight against this, do it. But Dr. Steve Turley appreciate your time very much. And thank you so much for, for what you're doing in our culture. Steve  55:20  Thank you, Garrett. God bless you. God bless everything you're doing God bless Tennessee in that little blue pot a little blue patcher in the Nashville area. Little God bless and you are you're doing God's work and calling the church his people and particularly the leaders to embrace who we've been called to be. We are We are more than conquerors through Him who called us Yeah, Gary Duncan  55:44  very good. Thank you so much. You appreciate God bless. Appreciate it very much. It was pleasure meet you. Steve  55:51  Oh, right back at you, man. Yeah, right back. atcha Yeah, I saw I saw the probe. Transcribed by https://otter.ai 

You can find more on Rob McCoy and Godspeak Calvary Chapel in Californiahttps://www.godspeak.com/home-index/https://rumble.com/v1mexz2-faith-without-works-is-dead-eric-metaxas.htmlhttps://www.amazon.com/Letter-American-Church-Eric-Metaxas/dp/1684513898/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=letters+to+the+american+church+book&qid=1666029645&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIwLjg2IiwicXNhIjoiMC41NSIsInFzcCI6IjAuMzEifQ%3D%3D&sr=8-1Gary Duncan  0:43  Welcome to remnant revolution. I'm your host, Gary Duncan. And today, I think this is probably one of the most important podcast you need to listen to. If you're unaware of what's going on in our country, and how the church is staying silent, then this might open your eyes, I think every Christian and pastor to take the time to listen to what Eric TaskUs has to say, I just finished reading his book letter to the American church. And I ran out of EAC, marking it up with the comments. So mirror my own thoughts over these last several years regarding the state of the church, the state of pulpits today. And what we need to do about it, you've always heard, if you forget your history, you're bound to repeat it. Well, I think we're there. I think if the church doesn't wake up, we're going to see the slaughter of millions upon millions of innocent people, maybe not in the same way history has shown us but in a new way. And if you've been awake during the 2020, COVID, biological weapon that has been forced upon this world, you have already seen millions of people die. So I want to replay a message he gave to God speak church in California, Rob McCoy, his church out there, they keep their sheep up to date on what's going on. The best way to describe his book is a comparison between the Lutheran Church in Germany in the 1930s, to the American church in the 2022. And earlier, the similarities are stark, the action taken by the church is appalling. And the future of the church is written in history. So I suggest you open your hearts and you listen and ask the question, what's next? What do we do? What's the Bible say? Because our future depends on it. Eric Mataxas  2:44  We're dealing with joy. Joy is like, you know, deep and beautiful. And Lord wants us to live in that right when when you understand what the Lord did on the cross, giving his body and his blood for us. There is a deep joy, an unfathomable joy that comes out of that. And the question is through history that the church has always leaned into that joy, if you know what I mean, right? It's a it's our it's our human nature, our sin nature, to just go through the motions, maybe to come up with some theology and go like you agree with that? Yep, yep, yep. Okay, you're in fine, good. That's what Bonhoeffer called cheap grace, right? And you see this over and over it through history. In fact, even before the church, you see this, obviously, in the Old Testament, that the prophets rise up to Thunder at the people of God calling them to be the people of God, right. So you see this over and over. And it's the mystery of why the Lord allows things to go that way. But I believe we are now on the verge of a second reformation. When I say that reformation, when you really think about what Luther did it all it is, is what God wants to do all the time, which is to say, Bring us deeper into walking with him, right? And to say, like, Okay, you did this for a while, but now, you need more, right? You need to live out your faith. And so I think, part of what I want to talk about this morning, which I think concerns the American church and letter to the American church, it's exactly what Bonhoeffer was talking about, in 1932. In fact, he gave a famous sermon, Reformation Day 1932. So it's like two months and change before Hitler takes power. And he's speaking to this church and trying to make them understand that, you know, you kind of you have the form and substance down. But that's not what God's looking for. He's looking at your heart. He wants you to be alive to him and you're kind of going through the motions and a lot of people in the American church today who are being silent in the face of evil In the same way that German pastors and Christians were being silent in the face of evil. And what I write about in this book, letter to the American church is to say, we know exactly what happened. Bonhoeffer was a prophetic voice trying to warn the German church. There were others, but he was the main one. They did not heed God's cry through God's servant Bonhoeffer. So the question is, will the American church today, heed God's cry through his sir servant Bonhoeffer? Will we hear what Bonhoeffer had to say that the German church ignored? And I'm here to say, mostly, the church in America has been silent in the face of evil in exactly the same way the German church was silent in the face of evil, but we have less than zero excuse. Because we have the example of the German church. We have many, many Americans have read my book on Bonhoeffer, you just like you want to see how that goes. When the Church says, Not yet. We're not ready to talk yet. We don't want to be political Romans 13 We can't get we can't get politically and we can't get involved. Every bad theological reason that German Christians gave for their silence is being used today by those in the American church, the same reasons, the same answers. I mean, you hear a lot from people about well, that's not a that's not a gospel related issue. Right. Well, that's sophistry, these are lies from the pit of hell when you start talking like that. Okay. Do you not think that in America during slavery times, there were plenty of people saying like, we don't want to speak out against slavery, we don't really want to be pro abolition, because we have people in our congregations who would be bothered by that. So we can let the African slaves go to hell, we don't care about them. We care about the people in our in our congregations that they might get pushed away from the gospel if we bring up that divisive issue. And you think, Well, what dead gospel? are you preaching? If you cannot speak the truth about the wickedness of slavery? Am I interested in whatever thin pseudo gospel you have to preach? But there are many people that they're very focused on this quote, unquote, gospel, but I want to say, what is that gospel that you're preaching when when Jesus said that, you know, better that a millstone would be hung around your neck than that you would cause these little ones to stumble? That wasn't really very gospel sensitive Jesus? You know, I'm sure if Jesus were alive today, he would correct that terrible error. He would never say anything so harsh, right? Oh, sorry. We're talking about Jesus, who was perfect. He spoke about things that many today would act like, well, I'm holier than that. I wouldn't bring that kind of a thing up. I don't know. It could push some people away. Well, folks, you should care about not wanting to push people away. Like that's, that's a good thing. But you can care too much. You can care so much that you're disobedient to what God is calling you to open your mouth about. So if you do not care about young women, being bullied and badgered by propaganda, to cut off their own breasts and destroy their lives, if you don't love them, the way Jesus loves them and speak the truth into the culture that's doing that to them. The Lord will hold you accountable for that, in the same way that he held Americans accountable who said, Why don't want to speak about slavery, because we have some pro slavery people in our congregation. And they're good people, except for the slavery part. Yeah, like today, we laugh because we know how crazy that is. But back then they were like, well, who's to say it's complicated. In Germany, people were telling Bonhoeffer to shut up don't get political. You know, there's plenty Nazis in every congregation. And some of them are really bad, but some of them are good. And they've it's complicated. Don't speak against that. Bonhoeffer ultimately became profoundly disgusted. I quote him in this book letter to the American church where he says, he was he was disgusted with the theological of theologically based objections that a lot of these pastors and people had theologically based what you know, if you're the devil, you want to come up with theologically based objections for your satanic ideas, to fool some of the Christians into being silent. And Bonhoeffer says, which is, after all, nothing but fear. It is fear. So so people give these reasons and they can fool many people. There's a new book out, it came out, just as my book was sent to the to the printer or to the publisher. I got a letter. Sorry, I got I got a package in the mail in my home in New York. From Zondervan, Because I'm like an influencer, so they want me to see what they're publishing. And yeah, if you want to know how bad things are like a lot of these Christian publishers, a lot of these folks, they they're, they've slid into the dark side. So they published a book by Pastor Andy Stanley. And the book is called not in it to win it. Okay. And every lie has truth in it, right? So no, we're not supposed to be cultural warriors trying to be triumphalist theocrats trying to you know, crush the culture with our idea of Jesus. No, no, but I think most of us get that. Okay. If you have a friend who's who's on board with that, you'd be the first one to say no, sorry. We're not We're not about that. But the point is, if you're going to tell me, Oh, I shouldn't be political. I shouldn't have a voice. That's what they said to Bonhoeffer. They said, stay in your little theological lane. Don't speak up for the Jews. And Bonhoeffer said no, if you do not speak up for the Jews, you have no right to worship God Bonhoeffer wrote that, he says, You have no right, keep your mouth shut. Do not praise the God who is the God of the Jews, and who appointed you as the church to be the voice for the voiceless. That is your job. And if you're not doing that, shut up, get in your prayer closet and get right with God, but do not pretend to say I have faith when the Lord sees you have no faith because you keep your mouth shut in the face of satanic evil. But the project but but the objections were the same. The objections were the same as they are today. They will say Romans 13 is supposed to be the governing authorities, right, you know, bow to Nebuchadnezzar, like whatever it is just like keep your mouth shut and just obey the governing theories are put in place by God, Romans 13. So it's very clear. Well, it's obviously not very clear. There's more of the Bible than Romans 13 One. And the fact is, if you're looking for an excuse, it's very convenient. You just saw Romans 13. Luther was big on Romans 13. And so all the German Lutherans were like that settled. Well, it was not settled. You need discernment. You need wisdom. What are what are we living through right now? The Lord calls us to take our faith into every single sphere imaginable. My hero Chuck Colson always used to quote, Abraham Kuyper, the Dutch theologian and every speech Chuck would give, he would quote Kuyper, Kuyper said, you know, about 120 years ago, Kuyper said, There's not one square inch of all creation, over which Jesus Christ who is sovereign does not say mine. Everything, politics, education, media, wherever you go, the Lord wants us to take him into those places. And that, to me, is what reformation is all about, right? It's like the leaven is supposed to go all the way through the lump. And so why did it take the church so long to discover this 15 centuries before Luther, in a sense, bring some of these ideas out into European culture? Why did it take 15 centuries? I don't know. We have to ask the Lord when we get there, Lord, why didn't that happen right away. But it didn't. The Lord lets these things work their way through history. Why did it take to Wilberforce at the end of the 18th century? To see from the scriptures like slavery is an abomination from the pit of hell. And if you're a Christian, you need to stand against this with all your might. And mein. Why did it take so long? Well, it might have taken a long time. But the point is, at some point, somebody got it, and somebody started talking about it. And there were always voices to say, no, no, shut up. You're wrong. You're wrong. That's political William Wilberforce. Don't be don't be, don't be political. Keep your faith private, from your from your politics. And the Lord doesn't make those distinctions. The devil makes those distinctions. And when people tell you, Oh, you're just being political, you know, that's like standing against slavery. And so he's really just being political. It's like, No, I'm commanded by my lord to stand up for those who have no voice. I'm commanded to stand up for the stranger. I'm commanded to speak the truth. So where do you get your idea that I'm supposed to keep my faith in this tiny little theological box? That's not a biblical idea. But it's out there in the culture. And so I remember getting this book in the mail from Zondervan by Andy Stanley basically making the case that if you're involved politically, it's divisive. And you're just a culture warrior. And you're now of course, if you're involved in the right stuff, he will have no criticism. But if you're involved, anything that might be pro Trump or pro liberty or or any of that stuff, it's like, you're being political, right? So I read the book, I forced myself to read the book, it's unpleasant, but it's at least short. And I thought to myself, and I want to be I want to be gracious in the sense and say that, I know that a lot of the folks like Andy Stanley, they're like, the German pastors in that day in the sense that many of them know not what they do. They have no idea so it's very easy for us to point the finger. You know, at some point, we have to point the finger and say That's wrong. That's bad. Teaching that's dark, it's leading America to hell. And it's going to make people suffer for whom Jesus died. If we the church do not rise up, the Lord has pointed us to rise up. But the point is that we have to understand that some of these people, they're just misguided. But the problem is, I then go on the Amazon web page for the book, and I see a big blurb from Jim Daly, a Focus on the Family promoting this book. And I thought the book is published by Zondervan. That's where we are ladies and gentlemen, people that I would think of as friends, or they used to be friends. And these are the kinds of people that you know, they are not openly serving the devil. They are just confused and misguided in going with the flow. Like many German pastors, they were just going with the flow. The question is, can we reach them? Before it's too late? Can we reach some of them? Before it's too late, I absolutely wrote this book, this short book, hoping to reach those who might be reached, we know some will never be reached, they don't want to be reached, they've got it all figured out. But there are many in the middle, that I believe might see the error of their ways and might see that their silence in the face of evil has been silenced in the face of evil. It's exactly the same as the silence of the German pastors in the face of evil. And some of them, I believe, will repent of their silence and say, Okay, now I'm going to speak up now in Germany. In Bonhoeffer his day, one of the heroes of my Bonhoeffer book is Martin de Mohler. Marni Miller was one of the ones who was going with the flow, he really believed that we don't need to speak against the Nazis. He was now he was a heroic World War One military hero, an incredible pastor and a big, powerful church, but he was deceived. And eventually, he saw that he was deceived. He had a meeting with Hitler, where Hitler basically told him, you know, going along with the theological script, right, Hitler says to him, you stick to your sermons. In other words, you stick to your little stupid little theological sermons in your little building on Sunday. But when you leave that building, you bow to the authority of the state, which is me, Adolf Hitler. That's when you know, oops, this is not going to go well. He is not really open to hearing the truth and I Martiny molar have made a mistake. So Martin e molar by God's grace woke up at that point, and he became a hero. But the problem is in Germany, when Martin D, Mueller woke up, it was too late. The church had been silent too long, the Nazis had been working hard to neutralize and silence the church. If the church wakes up, we're dead. So we'll keep doing whatever we need to do will bribe some of them will give them money will threaten them, you'll lose your job will shut you down, we'll do we'll do whatever we can do to neutralize the church and neutralize the church and at some point, it will be too late for them to speak up and that's what happened in Germany. I think of Gulliver being tied down by the little patients as the same picture right? You know, Gulliver, at any moment as he's sleeping, the little patients are tying him down with dental floss or whatever they're using. And if he had awakened at any point during this process, he would have ripped up the stakes and you know, crushed the Lilliputians. But if they can make sure that he continues to sleep while they're doing this, at some point, it's too late for him to get up, isn't it? That's what the Nazis did with the church in Germany. They told them what they wanted to hear. And they knew that we don't need to get everybody we just need to get enough German pastors and leaders to be silent and to do nothing. And at some point, we got them. Now so you understand the numbers because it's dramatically similar similar in this country in terms of the representatives in terms of the percentage. In Germany, there were 18,000 Protestant pastors, and about 3000 of them up, Hitler takes control in 33. So by 1935, the state the Nazis had so bullied, the churches and everyone that by 1935 of the 18,000 pastors, there were about 3000 Standing strong for the gospel standing with the barman declaration. I write about this all in the in the book letter to the American church. It's really amazing. 3000 stood strong. About 6000 had signed the barman declaration, but by the time you get to 1935, there had been enough bullying and badgering and arrests and whatever it is that it takes to intimidate people and some of you are very familiar with that I'm familiar with that. I've been ensued, you know, lost a lot of money. My whole YouTube channel was just destroyed because I dared to have on Naomi Wolf to discuss vaccine mandates. Can you imagine the United States of America having a conversation about the truth, but that's what we're dealing with today, right? Well, the Nazis did the same thing. And worse, they just said, this intimidate, intimidate. We're gonna we're gonna you know, what we'll send the Gestapo to knock down the doors at Mar a Lago? What do we have to do? Tell us what what do we have to do to weaponize the state to intimidate, intimidate. And by 1935, there are only 3000 of those 18,000 pastors willing to stand firmly. Now, on the other side of the 18,000, you have about 3000, that were totally pro Nazi. And we get that we have, you know, so called pastors in the church today that are 1,000% on board with cultural Marxism and the great reset and whatever it is that you know, the pit of hell is currently manifesting in our culture. But here's the key. And this is where I have the hope. In the middle. There were 12,000. Pastors, those 12,000 pastors, before we get to the hope, you got to get to the depressing part, it was those 12,000 pastors that did not take a stand with the 3000 heroes that enabled the evil to triumph. They said, well, we don't want to be political Romans 13. We don't want to take a stand for us. It's all about preaching the gospel. So we don't want to talk about you know, all of this divisive stuff, we just want to, we just want to preserve the opportunity to preach the gospel. Well, there's a chapter in the book called the idol of evangelism. Because there are times when the devil will use one of the greatest things to keep you from the greatest thing. The greatest thing is to speak God's truth as he calls you to speak it, to speak against whatever He calls you to speak. But some people say, Oh, no, I can't do that. I gotta have my quiet time right now. There's a, there's a girl being raked across the street, but you know what I'm going to do? I'm gonna pray. Who can argue with that? Right? Oh, you're gonna pray? Oh, okay. I'm going to do evangelism. Okay. Well, you understand that the subtle enemy of our souls will use any good thing, right? Oh, you're just about preaching the gospel just about gospel related issues? Well, what if the Lord says, Speak up for the Jews? And you're gonna lose some people in your congregation? What if the Lord says speak against the slave trade to William Wilberforce, most American Christians today would be like, I would be all over that I would stand with Bonhoeffer. And I would stand with William Wilberforce. And all you of course I would, but you are not doing it. Now. Right now you're being silent. And right now you are letting the 3000 Take all the heat, aren't you? And you're saying, we think we just got to keep our nose clean. We don't want to get in trouble. We want to be safe. We want to be nice. We want to go along with whatever. You know, if there's a vaccine mandate, we'll go along with that. We'll make our people take the dead baby vaccine. We don't have a problem with that. Romans 13. We just want to go along with the government. We're living in hard times, folks. You need to sermon and you need courage. But I'm here to tell you that what happened during the Reformation with Martin Luther Martin Luther had to make the case that it's by faith alone, right, we get that, right. It's by faith alone. It's not by works that were safe. We all get that right. But by the time you get to Bonhoeffer, Bonhoeffer is saying, this faith alone stuff has gone too far because faith. Faith, without works is dead. So even though it is by faith, you're saved, do you have faith? If you have faith, you will live it out. Your life will be a testimony to the fact that you know Jesus defeated death on the cross, you don't just give it lip service. So he wrote about cheap grace and cheap faith. When you say it's about faith, it's about faith, which is just a way to say like, I don't need to do anything. I can just sit on my hands. I'm gonna have my quiet time. Where's my highlighter? Where's my cup of coffee in the mug with a scripture verse on it? Because I don't really care about black people. I'll put the the black, you know, Lives Matter thing on my Facebook thing. I'll just, I'll just do whatever i i care, but I don't want to actually talk about the issues about how critical race theory is destroying black communities. I don't want to bring that up because I'm white. And you know, somebody might look at me funny. I don't want to talk about trans Gender because somebody might look at me funny, I have a neighbor who has a daughter who's got I don't want to offend them, folks, if you love the people for whom Jesus died, and if you trust that he defeated death on the cross, He will speak about these things, you will do what you can. We're not all called to be political activists. But the idea that Christian leaders particularly are misleading their flocks into silence is exactly out of the playbook of Bonhoeffer and the Nazis. It is exactly the same thing. The Lord is looking to his church now to stand against these evils. And if the church doesn't stand against these evils, trust me when I tell you, the Lord will blame the church. He is looking to his people, because his people are the ones who dare to claim, we believe he defeated death on the cross, we believe he rose from the grave, we're free. While the Lord says, Okay, if you believe that, you will live as though you believe that you can't just say you believe it. Because faith without works is dead is from the Scripture. And it's a warning to us. So we say, well, yeah, I believe, what do you believe, Oh, go to go to my church's website, there's a statement of faith. That's what I believe. That's called a fig leaf. You're not fooling anybody. If you're not living that out self sacrificially, the Lord can see, and the devil can see, and your neighbors can see, and your friends can see that. You're just talking, you don't really believe it. And the Lord will judge you on what you believe. Your real faith will save you. Your fake faith will not fool anyone and will not save you. So we have an opportunity to live out our faith in an extraordinary moment right now. And I believe the Lord has allowed these satanic things to happen in the last few years to wake up his people. And I believe largely as a result of heroes, like Rob McCoy, and other pastors that dare to invite me to their pulpits that we have hope. And there are people watching online or like they used to go to that, you know, dead Lutheran Church or wherever they used to go, and they don't go there anymore. Well, I do want to say to you, I hope some of you can think of a pastor who might be reached by my book, because they're out there, they need bucking up, they need to hear what we're hearing here. They need to know that maybe I got this wrong. Maybe I can repent, maybe I can be part of what God is doing today. I often think I know I write about it in the book that the idea of, let's say, somebody, you know, strings, a high wire across Niagara Falls and says, you know, to the crowd, does anybody believe that can walk across that? Maybe he's like, yes, yes, we believe that we believe it. And he pulls out a wheelbarrow, anybody believe I can? I can push the wheelbarrow across the crowd? You know, we'd also Yeah, absolutely. Go Go for it. And he but I believe I can I can push the window with a heavy load in it. Absolutely. Go ahead. And he's like you, sir, you believe I can do it? Yes. Get in the wheelbarrow. It's easy to say I believe. If you really believe you will live it out. God can see whether you really believe by how you behave. And we haven't heard this a lot in the American church or the American church we talked about, it's about faith. It's about faith. It's about faith. Well, I'm here to tell you, that's not scriptural, folks. Okay, if your faith is real, you're saved by your real faith. But if your faith is cheap faith, or the grace you believe in is cheap. Grace. Bonhoeffer wrote about that in cost of discipleship, cheap grace is not grace. If you understood what Jesus did to die for you, because He loves you, it transforms your life and the Lord is inviting us to live into that faith. He's saying, I want to see you get in the wheelbarrow, I want you to trust me, or to put me to the test and say, Okay, Lord, I'm gonna give up my job. I'm not going to get the vaccine, I'm gonna do whatever you call me to do, because I know that if you are who you say you are, you can get me another job. You can take care of my family, you love me. Now, I don't mean put the Lord to the test the way the Scripture says, Don't put the Lord your God to the test. But I'm saying that the Lord expects us to depend on him to lean on him to trust Him with our future. So for pastors who are worried about losing the congregation, who called you to that pulpit in the first place, was that a job that you you wriggled your way to get? Or did the Lord call you to that pulpit? Who put the people in the pew to hear what God was saying through you? Which was that you and your wisdom and your sophistry, or did the Lord do that if the Lord did that, when you speak what he calls you? to speak, he will fill your church. And if he doesn't fill your church we're supposed to trust the Lord with everything. And again, just to repeat, he defeated death on the cross. So if somebody says, Well, you know, if you don't tow the line will kill you. You know your response, if you believe, actually believe would be Haha, you can't kill me He defeated death on the cross, I will never die. We're supposed to know a lot of people kind of say, well, I hope I hope it's true. If you hope it's true, I rebuke you. You need to know the Lord wants you if you want to know what is His Will it is his will that you know that he defeated death, that you know that nothing more wonderful could ever happen to you than you would see him face to face. Now, today, tomorrow, whenever he calls you, there can be nothing greater than that we have been so coddled and blessed in America, that we kind of think Well, now it's kind of okay here. I'm not ready for that yet. I get that folks. But we need to live in that kind of faith, the kind of faith that says there is nothing more glorious than the reality of eternal life with Him. And by the way, he gives us an opportunity to start living at life. Now. If by faith were seated with Him in heavenly places, now, while we're still here, and if he hasn't translated you in the glory, it means he has a job for you here and now to live that kind of faith here and now. And that is the heroic call to which God calls his church will we hear his cry to his church, some are waking up, you know, there's a remnant by God's grace, because of churches like this and others, a remnant that is waking up in there plenty people that haven't been to churches for years, that when they see this kind of muscular Christianity, they go, you know, I can get behind that kind of Christianity. They're not afraid of speaking truth. It's not namby pamby kind of emasculated pseudo gospel, it seems real to me, those people seem to understand we're dealing with evil, we're in a spiritual war. And there's something there's something attractive about that, folks, that leads to revival. If you care about evangelism, it's not about keeping your mouth shut on hot topics. It's about opening your mouth on those hot topics and delivering the heart of God on those hot topics, and seeing how people say, finally, where have you been? Where have you been all these years? It says in the scripture, there's a parable, you know, the parable of the talents, right? I think it's a parable for us today. There's also a chapter in the book on the parable of the talents, because it's so counterintuitive. The idea is that this master has some servants, right. And these are not like, you know, they're not sweeping up around the house kind of servants. These are like major people in his kingdom or in his world. And he entrusted each of them with a ton of money, a talent is a ton of money, right? He says, I'm going on a long trip. So here, you get, you know, 1.1 million, and you get 700,000. And you get a 200,000. And I'll be back in a year. Now, if you love your master, he say, Well, I'm going to do unto him as he would do unto as I would have others do unto me. So I want to take this money, I know I can make a lot of money. With the money he's given me, I want to bless him. So I'm going to take it, and I'm going to do what I can in the markets to try to increase the money now that comes with risk. You might lose the money. But if you love your Master, you're like, Well, I'm going to try if it was my money, I would try. So I'm going to try, I'm gonna go out there do what I can do. So the one with five towns, the one with three towns, they, they tried to do something with it, and they're successful. But the one who has been given one talent, basically, in his mind, he's thinking, You know what? I don't like my master. I think he's a bum. I don't really want to stick my neck out for him. And by the way, I think if I lose the money, if I try to do some of them lose it, he's just gonna whack me because he's just, he's just a religious killjoy. He's just looking for me to make a mistake. He doesn't love me. Now, this is the question, what God do we worship? We worship the God that looks at our heart and wants to see us go for it. And even if we screw up, he says, I love you I see your heart, or are we religious? And are we playing it safe and saying it's all about staying out of trouble? It's about not saying anything wrong. Don't tweet anything unkind at 3am because that's really the ultimate judge of a man's character. Not if he's a warrior for truth, or for the unborn or for the nation, or against Marxist tyranny. We don't we, you know, we don't care about that. If you are worshipping the God that is just looking for you to make a little mistake, you're actually worshipping the devil I hate to tell you because that's who the devil is. The God of the Bible is like Aslan, in the Narnia Chronicles. He's wild. He's not tame. But he is good. And when we think about the goodness of God, we're not talking about a safe goodness, he's not sweet. He's not a kitty cat. He's Aslan, the lion, of the tribe of Judah. And he calls us to the battle, and he loves us. But there are many Christians who they don't know that God, they're worried about saying the wrong thing about being a little too, in politic about being perceived funny, so they're careful. And we have a lot of pastors that they're careful. They're being religious, they don't understand God calls us to a wildness to a battle, for his sake, to speak for those who have no voice. The church is the conscience of the state. And if the church is silent, when these evil things are happening, folks, do you not think the Lord will judge his church who has no excuse? I'm here to remind you, that's what happened in Germany. In Germany, they were quiet, and quiet and quiet. And by time some of them woke up. It was too late. I believe the Lord gave us the story of Bonhoeffer. And the example of what happened to that great nation that had the incredibly powerful church, culturally speaking, they had the power to stand against the Nazis. And they said, Not yet. Not yet. I'm not ready to get political, let the other let the hotheads, bring it up, let them go to jail, let Simone gold, go to jail, I don't care. Let them take the heat. I'm just gonna stand here and wait till it all blows over. Folks. That's not That's not the Lord. That's not the Lord, we need to understand. The Lord calls us to live out our faith, with our whole being and to show him by our actions that we know him, we love Him, we trust him. And we want to live for him. With everything we have, I am convinced that if a holy remnant is awakened, which I see happening by God's grace, and there are many, many, many others, still asleep, or beginning to wonder, beginning to look around and think are things bad enough now that I maybe I should speak up, maybe I should talk about politics, maybe the satanic Marxist atheists taking over America, maybe what they're doing is going to harm all kinds of people. And God is going to say, what did you do to the least of these? Did you speak up against it? Or did you just say, well, that's not my business, Lord, I want to stay in my religious lane. The Lord doesn't call you to stay in your religious lane. There's no such thing. The enemy calls you to stay in your religious line. I just have to say that we are. Again, we're in a season, where we talk a lot about theology, we talk a lot about faith. The Lord tells us again, and again and again in various ways. But through that scripture, Faith without works is dead. We are called to live out our faith, self sacrificially. And a lot of times in the evangelical church, we forget about character, right? We say Do you believe you believe you believe Okay, well, you're a bum, you cheat your business people and you're, you're kind of like, you would cheat on your wife if you had the chance and you were to, but But you believe so you're saved by grace. That's really not biblical folks. The Lord says, He cares what you do. You might be saved by grace and by faith, but then he looks at your life and says, Okay, now you get it. Are you ready to live for me between now and when I see you face to face? Are you ready to give it all? That's why I died on the cross for you. That's why I rose from the dead, to enable you to live out your faith utterly for such a time as this and you will see things glorious things happen. What are the last scriptures in the Bible, it might be the second scripture in Revelation it says, He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be my son. He who overcomes but the cowardly. The cowardly, can you imagine the Lord is saying, I've given you enough of my life and my son in my word. To let you know that you have no excuse in being cowardly. A lot of people say well, I'm just cowardly by nature will look says no, no. It's like saying you're an adulterer by nature. You're well, let me tell you something I have come to give you the ability to live your life in the right way. And the first thing that he says, the cowardly, we are called to courage. It's not extra credit Christianity. We are called to heroism and courage. And Revelation 21. Seven says, but the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable murderer is sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death. That's unbelievable, folks. The Lord is begging us to take him at his word. He is begging us to live courageously in the moment to stop pretending somebody told you you're only supposed to speak on gospel related issues. Truth is a gospel related issue. If the Church will arise now, and live this way, you will inspire untold people to do the same thing. If you will live this way, you will inspire people who don't know Jesus to want to know Jesus because they're dying to know, where do you get that courage from? Are you crazy? Or is it true? What they say? This is I believe in opportunity for the church. I don't know which way it's gonna go. But I don't believe the Lord called me to write this book. And I believe he called pastors like Rick and Rob and so many others to stand at this time for nothing. I believe God has a plan for this nation, to reach the whole world with his gospel. And there's nothing more extraordinary. There's nothing more extraordinary than that we would get to be a part of that. And we would get to share this with others and that the Lord would use us in bringing reformation so that the world would not talk about believing in Jesus, but would live out that faith in Jesus so that it would be so attractive that millions and millions and millions and millions would get saved if you care about evangelism. Live your faith. God bless you.    

Hang on to your hats, this one is a wild one!....Sorry if you get offended but sometimes the truth hurts.  Doug and I talk about how Fear has overtaken the Church and this culture and what Christians should be doing about it.  As a pastor himself Doug hold nothing back when it comes to speaking the truth, like Trump you many not like his delivery but results is what matters.  We will also touch on his new book "Dear Christians: Your Fear is Full of Crap.  A biblical dive into the scriptures and how the church is not operating from this truth.You can follow Doug at the links below,https://clashdaily.comhttps://douggiles.org/clashradio/Dear Christian: Your Fear is Full of Crap bookhttps://www.amazon.com/Dear-Christian-Your-Fear-Full/dp/1618082116/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=doug+giles&qid=1663997458&qu=eyJxc2MiOiI0LjEwIiwicXNhIjoiMy4yNyIsInFzcCI6IjMuMzMifQ%3D%3D&sr=8-2   Id say you're like The Dennis Miller of Christianity. Doug Giles  0:44  I'll take it. I get Ted Nugent, Dennis Miller. It's like, I was baptized and dirty water. My mentors are Ted Nugent, Dennis Miller, and Elijah. So that explains a lot. Gary Duncan  0:59  So Doug, appreciate you coming on the program in the podcast. It's just a pleasure to see you face to face and hear you talk about what's been going on the last one, two years here that we've dealt with in your new book. And so talking with Doug Giles, right is the Giles guy. Yeah, John. soft key like giraffe. Okay. Now, you I want to point this out because you've got 17 other books, right? Yeah, I got 60s. Doug Giles  1:32  I actually have 19. Yeah, so the voice is they just keep going inside. People see in my weird gloves. Gary Duncan  1:41  I've literally, you're not a proctologist. Right? No, Doug Giles  1:45  I'm not. I'm not checking. Jethro is oil. I'm an artist. So I went, when when the Zoom meeting alert came in. I was literally working on a painting so I'm not just I'm an artist, and the reason I wear the gloves if anybody thinks I'm a wuss is like I deal with turpentine and acetone. And that crap will eat your flesh. Gary Duncan  2:09  Yes, yes, it will. And anything else it touches. So your book, dear Christians, your fear is full of crap. And just loved it. I don't know how I ran across. Yeah, you've got a podcast. It's called warriors in wild man with CO hosts co host Rich Whitman. And Rick Whitmer. Excuse me, and I love listening to that. And I think I heard you talk about your book. And I got a hold of it. And I'm telling you, folks, it's thing. It's, there's there's a nice, cool, this is some of the artwork he does. It's old painting. Right? Right. And he's a man's man, a warrior, just like it says, and you've got a lot of other books. sleeveless t shirt leave. You know, you just you got to come as you are I work in my redneck. Yeah. Now, are you in your your bio? It said, Your the cigars and sermons. Is that a church now? Or was it still? event I guess is what you said. Since you brought up the cigar. I think I'll smoke one. There you go. Right. Now this might offend a few. Bible thumpers, but I hope it Doug Giles  3:23  does. So I was at a pastors conference. And so this goes back nearly 30 years. And so we're sitting around with a bunch of senior ministers. Okay. We're not talking about new believers. We're talking about guys who've been Christians for years. They have churches of anywhere from 500 to 3000 on the low man on the totem pole. Gary Duncan  3:48  I can actually smell that over here. That smells so good. Doug Giles  3:53  Yeah. Yeah, so anyway, so everybody's ordering drinks. And since it's a past pastors conference, everybody's doing tea, sweet tea, Coke, Diet Coke, dark pepper, root beer, comes to me and I order one Coors Light, which is barely beer. I mean, it's barely beer. It's like 2% by volume. And Gary i I only drank wine. I didn't you know get up on the table start dancing. I didn't you know get into my seat 28 Start driving around the city you know, creating havoc for you know, innocent people. I just had one beer. And you would have thought that I ordered warm blood from the last one on the planet and drank it, you know, in homage to El Diablo. And I get the same kind of crap with the cigar stuff. So I figured you know what, I'm not going to hide it. I love smoking cigars. There's no injunction in Scripture to not do it. And people always bring it up. It's like well, your your your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit and Like, you just ate 17 pieces of catfish and 31 Hush puppies. You've got more chance and a Chinese phone book. You're 300 pounds overweight. I cycled probably, you know, 60 miles a week. I work out constantly. I smoke cigars. So, physician Bill heal yourself. Gary Duncan  5:23  Yeah, exactly, exactly. I've always wondered why Baptists were so fat all the time. I mean, I used to be in a bad restrict. And I promise you that I think that's a prerequisite when they interview you got to be. I know, I don't go down that trail, get in trouble. So. Doug Giles  5:39  So my, so there's a teacher and she's doing this show and tell and she wants and she lives in a eclectic city. It's in Miami. And she wants all the various people, the little kids to bring something that represents their religion. So Maria comes and she said, Hello, my name is Maria. This is a crucifix. I'm a Catholic. And then Shlomo, he rocks up and he says, Hey, my name, Shlomo. This is the star David. I'm Jewish. And then Billy's like, Hi, my name is Billy. This is a casserole. I'm about. Gary Duncan  6:19  Oh, that's so good. All right, let's see who else we can offend. Let's now let's get into your your book, because I know you got a little bit of time. And I'm telling you, it's hard hitting it is pure, raw truth. And, you know, just let's talk about 2020 Because I know where I was, I was at. And that was the time that light switched. For me. Everything switched, I got red peeled, probably before that, actually, about seven years before that, I started waking up to a lot of stuff, but 2020 really sent me over the age. And since then, I've just I've run across a lot of people that feel the same way that we just totally miss something, the church miss something. I love what you say in the book about the it's in the very front of the book about pastors should repent, for closing down and doing what they did. And I agree 100%, I've yet to hear that. I doubt we'll hear it. And, you know, because they, they, again, you get into Romans 13, all the stuff that goes on. And we just need to if you just watch the news now, I mean, they're, they're coming after our kids. Some of the stuff they're doing to our kids, we just, I mean, Christians should be out in the streets with pitchforks with these people. Because this is just it's demonic. It's Luciferian. And they're totally ignorant of what's going on in our country. And so we're What was your mindset to in 2020? Doug Giles  7:53  Yes. So, you know, I've never feared sickness. I've never, you know, been some kind of scared, Dread laden hamster of anything, you know, going into the deepest, darkest places of Africa and Mexico. I'm a hunter, I travel a lot. I do mission work, you know, especially when I was a young Christian. And I'm not just talking about passing out tracts of Juarez, we'd go into the tail end of the Sierra Madre in the state of Nairobi. Where, where there's no streetlights, there's, there's hostile Indian tribes, the core that we chose, you got you got the federal rallies that are that are planned heroin and marijuana, and we're invading their space and trying to liberate people from drug addiction. And also I would eat their food and drink their water, you know, not fearing if I'm going to get Montezuma's revenge. So I've never been, you know, some nail biter. And so when the, the plague from the Wuhan lab that Fauci oversaw, and when it was released upon us, which I believe as a weapon to collapse America's economy, everybody's, you know, in dread of it, and, you know, when Trump said, Gary said, Look, we're gonna take two weeks to flatten the curve. I said, Okay, I'll do it. So we had our cigars and sermon event, which is, at that time, it was a monthly Bible study. And so I said, Look, we'll just, we'll just punt for the month of March. April, we'll reconvene and then of course, you got Fauci and Birx and all the other quote unquote, you know, experts coming in saying, Oh, no, you know, we've got to do it not just for two more weeks, but what the heck maybe in perpetuity, maybe for you know, Infinity and Beyond we're going to social distance, we're not going to have Christmas you know, we're gonna like granny rot in the system living home and, you know, this is the new normal and it's right then that I started smelling 1984, this Orwellian bull crap rat cage that they're going to strap on our heads and make us toe the line and so So, at that juncture, I was going to a church. And then I started getting memos and emails from the church like, well, you know, Merrimack cheese and Governor Abbott says that we got to gather safely and so we've got to social distance, we're going to close our church down for a few more months, until he allows us to open the church. And man, you know, I don't want to aggravate hair loss, but I started scratching a bald spot in the back of my head. Just listening to these pastors, you know, my pastor, say, you know, we're going to follow Abbotts IIDX wisdom, you got to frickin be it. This is we got to we got to gather wisely. It's like, you got to be kidding me, man. Because I believe very, that there's somebody who Trump's civil magistrate, a governor, and I think it's pulled up what's his name? The Lord Jesus Christ. And he, you know, he's omniscient. He saw it, you know, and His omniscience, that 2000 years, since he slept this pebble, that there would come this Wuhan Weezer. And in spite of it all, he says, to meet weekly, have communion, greet each other with a holy kiss. And, and, and continue to do this, no matter what comes along. And then you've got all these knotless wonder pastors that curled up in the fetal position and what their big diaper and they started obeying against civil magistrates, thinking that they were, you know, adhering to Paul's eating in Romans 13, or Peters in first Peter to when in fact they were they were doing the opposite of what Peter and Paul and the Lord Jesus Christ commands no matter what's going on. And they they decided that they're going to shut their church down, that they're going to have zoom meetings, which is a Chinese app, and they're no friends of Christianity, and you gave him an eyeball into your church in are working, and all the people that are a part of your church, or they went to Facebook, who. So it Facebook, there are no friends of Christians. And so the stupid little Christians in the shriveled nut, little pastors, they started obeying the government Instead of obeying God. And that's why I said in the first chapter, it's like, look, Pastor, you can show me anywhere in the Scripture, where you're to cease and desist communion, where you're two separate, you know, or social distance, you know, six feet from people when you gather together, if you can show me where we're supposed to stop in person preaching and worship, and we're not supposed to love and hug each other anymore. If you can show me one place in Scripture, where Jesus said, look at the bad code comes around. Here's the modus operandi, here's how you operate. Here's how you roll if you can show me anything remotely close to ceasing our regular gathering together, I'll I'll eat a tube sock because it's not there. And we acted like more or not, we, I continued cigars and sermons, you know, no mask, if people were sick, don't frickin come. You know, it's, it's that simple. It's that easy. And, but again, the pastors and all the churches, they fold it up like cheap suits. And I think it's because the hallowed 501 C three that they worship, more than God, they're scared of being fined. They're scared of being put in prison. But um, you know, again, I take my cue from from Christ, and sometimes following him as a political offense, which Peter and Paul found out pretty quickly in the book of Acts. But these guys are terrified. I think they should hand in there, man card. And I think just like we used to recall automotive automobiles back in our day. If they were crappy, and they didn't operate properly, I think there ought to be a great recall of pastures. Gary Duncan  14:09  I agree. I agree. Because we're, the things are different now. Things are totally different in the church. Unbelief and because we've gotten to the point now that they're willing to kill even more people than they've killed in the past, but, I mean, it's so it's so dark and it's so so it's what's the word? manipulative? I don't know. It's it's when they started abusing when they started censoring truth. That's when it really kicked up a big notch for me, and and to watch how people in the church responded to that, you know, I remember hearing comments about you need to stay off Facebook and quit you know, you're supposed to be a Christian and, and you're mouthing off on face book about this or that. And, you know, but we never had discussions about why we were Malvin off and what was the reason about it? You know, the reason was because they were shutting us down. They were shutting truth down. Truth is what you've heard. I think you've probably heard it truth is, is lying in the street getting walked upon, and what are the churches doing? You know, we're still in our buildings, singing Kumbaya, you know, and I'm looking for those kind of guys that are that have thrown down the gauntlet or going after this stuff. You know, Doug Giles  15:33  how many people how many pastors stood up for Arthur, Pulaski and Calgary. When he defied them? Everybody's like, well, what does he know? He's a rogue operators from frickin Poland. He saw that garbage go down when he was a young kid. And then boom, you know, he thinks he's moving to the land of the free and, and the home of hockey. And he goes to Calgary in Canada. And he's like, this is the same crap that we were under the boot of, you know, many moons ago. Gary Duncan  16:01  I love that video that went viral with him throwing him people don't help people out of the church. I'm like, wow, look at that. Doug Giles  16:09  Then you got a pastor who was less demonstrative than Palacky. You've got I think his name's James coats, Passard and Edmonton, Canada, again, leading the charge. And we're supposed to be these big, bold Americans. And you see these Canadian pastors like we're not going to take this crap. Rodney Howard Brown in Tampa, Florida. He didn't shut down. Hillsborough County Sheriff arrested him. Now. He's suing them. So this is going to be interesting. And his church, Gary exploded when he kept it open. Same thing that happened with John MacArthur. And there's other pastors that did it too. Gary Duncan  16:45  Now Louisiana, was somebody in Louisiana, right? You talked about that. In the back of your book, you list out some of these guys in their stores. There's there's Doug Giles  16:54  a lot of guys that that I'm missing. So they're not all Tinker pots, but they're, I'd say the I'd say the the gamut of them are are pretty. I don't know. To me, it's shameful for you to act like that. And the only person man that I saw, I don't know if you saw this video sent it to you. We put it up on Clash. daily.com It's my news portal, a Catholic priest in Arizona. He said, You know what? I I completely, you know, flopped down on my post. I didn't. I didn't serve you, Chris. We shut our church down. I'm ashamed. I'm sorry. I haven't heard a Protestant pastor say that yet. And they should. And cowardice is a sin. And I don't know how I don't care how they slice this. They were a coward to not go against the federal and the state and the local eating. Because the church is this thing, Pastor. It's essential. It is odds eternal purpose. They carried on having church you morons during the bubonic plague. You know, the first the first wave and the second wave. You got 10 will translate into Scripture. During the first hit of it. You got Martin Luther enacting the reform and the second leg of the plague. They didn't stop. And this was a no kidding. No crap plague, where you have three quarters of western and southern Europe croaking. It's not like people are getting a bad cold and they got the sniffles. And so you're gonna shut everything down. That was a test run. Gary, I think they're gonna come back again with COVID You know, 24 or 26? I think it's going to hit around. I don't know, October. Gary Duncan  18:36  No, this year and then 24 two, right. Yeah, Doug Giles  18:40  little mail in balloting, you know, something to stem the red wave that's coming. And, you know, I saw churches, they're like, we're gonna roll up, we're gonna have vaccine, you know, centers on the parking line, you know, get the strange poison injected in you. And if people think that I'm a conspiracy theorist, and I'm full of crap, the mass didn't work. The vaccine didn't work. The boosters didn't work. New York Times now reports it the CDC is like, and we kind of missed it. Frickin Fauci, he, he just resigned and shame. You know, he's getting out because he's gonna get in trouble. Oh, yeah, man, if but the House and the Senate booth man, he's gonna go under this thing called the microscope, and it's not going to be pretty. And but again, but look at it, man. You know, all the Christians are like, well, you know, that was weird. It's not weird. It's cowardice. You need to repent. Right? Gary Duncan  19:39  And it's, it's demonic. It's, it's, you know, I've been doing a little delving back into history. And you can just see the fingerprints of, of the devil in his little minions throughout it, starting from the Adam and Eve. And this. This virus is just a part of the pool. I am. And to me, the churches should be seeing this, they should know the history. And then they should see how it trends transgressors to where we're at today, and not be surprised by some of the stuff but then we're not even addressing it. And that's what what kind of flies over me the most is, if we didn't see it in 2020. Are we going to see it when it comes again? And was that the last stand? You know, that was one of the questions I wanted to ask you is because, you know, because in the back of your book, you go through a lot of verses in Psalms and, and how to pray, you've got one section says, God restores our land. And I'm struggling with with feeling happy about the future, you know, because I don't see people waking up. Doug Giles  20:54  Yeah, I think I think let me bring you over to the rarefied air of hope that I live Gary Duncan  21:01  in. I use the F word because you've got a chapter in there. It's called use the F word. So now. Doug Giles  21:10  Yeah, so I'm a post millennialist. So I don't believe that, you know, the the church is going to get the shitai mushrooms kicked out of us. I don't think that the devil wins in time. I believe that Christ had a significant victory. When was it? Oh, his first coming, or death hell in the grave. He's ascended into heaven. He's king of kings and Lord of lords. We have two thirds of the angelic armies that are BFFs according to Hebrews one, verse 14, we're filled Gary with the same spirit that raised Christ from the dead, the indomitable Holy Spirit. And so the United States of liberal acrimony, they don't want gone they publicly booed him kick them out of their party, that the DNC in 2012 So I'm thinking that yeah, they probably tied to I don't know, El Diablo. So if they are, then Satan's a created been, which means that he has no power over the Create tour, because he's, he's a creation in the death, burial, resurrection and ascension. He was stripped of his power. He's got 1/3 of the fallen angels with him that are ever diminishing in power on a regular basis. There is no massive Holy Spirit on their side of the ledger that can empower them. I'm, I'm like looking at Christians like What is your problem? It's like, well, it's never been this bad. Did you not pay attention to the 20th century where we had two world wars, Vietnam Korea, we had the liquidation of hundreds of millions of people through Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Chairman Mao, I mean, that was some absolute crazy demonic liquidation. And we're still here. And so if we're now faced, you know, with again, this full on assault from a anti theistic Marxist radicals than little Christian instead of getting your bags packed and ready to be raptured at any moment, which I don't believe it's going to happen, dig your heels in and frickin fight. But it with the weapons of our warfare like in my book songs of war prayers, it literally kick ass. There's a whole bunch of imprecation mal addictions or curses for those who went to public school that God said to pray against people who are impenitent implacable, and watch God come open up a 64 ounce can of whoop ass on the Zoom. I mean, it's pathetic Gary to hear Christians like Well, that's how it was saying it it's Gary Duncan  23:48  we know how it's gonna end. Yeah, we know how it's gonna end. Well, it's like salt and light never heard that one. Doug Giles  23:54  Right? Hopefully God will reps rapture you out now so that the workers can come out not you. But the crybabies in, they could just take them off the planet. So when you get to work, here's how here's a reason that I have hope man. College football stadiums, hockey stadiums, NFL, you know, stadiums that were quote unquote, woke you know, two or three short years ago are now screaming. Let's go Brandon. That was that's rebellion on a gargantuan level. And I don't know if these people are Christian but here's what they do know that that half dead carrier pigeon. I'm talking sleepy creepy Joe who loves to sniff children. They're not buying it. They're not liking the inflation. They're not liking the open borders. They're not liking the invasion. They're not liking the fentanyl. They're not liking these insane gas prices. And so I think what we're going to see if we can get free and fair elections, that's a big F okay. It If we can get the free and fair elections, I think we're going to see 100 year change in the whole gestalt of America where people have really seen what unbridled Marxism looks like in a first world country. And they flippin hate it. And I've seen people who were a political, or they tilt, you know, center left, I live outside of Austin. So you bump into those guys. Occasionally, I've got friends all over the United States that, you know, that I hunt and fish with some of them, you know, they don't really give a crap about politics. They do now. And you know what, they know what they hate. And it's progressive ism. It's democratic, socialism. And all of a sudden out there, whoa. And Gary, they're turning the little Magic Bus of their family to the right. And they're looking at Trump. They're not looking at, you know, Mitch McConnell, they're not looking at Mike Pence, they're not looking at any of those guys got their status quo. They're part of the problem. And they're looking back to the great disrupter Donald Trump and also, you know, cats like Ron DeSantis, just did an incredible bang up job, my former home state of Florida. Gary Duncan  26:10  Well, I am a precinct captain in our Republican Party in our county here. And part of my pessimism is that we just went through a, an election for a school board. And we had, we had three conservatives and one independent that pretty much will go conservative, running. And it thoroughly they got thoroughly trounced. Okay. And yet, when I look at the numbers, the the raw numbers, I have a precinct, it's 3700 voters. How many Republicans do you think voted out of 3700? Just in my small precinct, or the school board? No, just in election, just pure election, we had cog we had a primary for a Republican Senate Doug Giles  27:04  3% of that? How about Gary Duncan  27:06  49 people? 49 people out of 3700? Doug Giles  27:12  Well, so here's what you can card. Yeah. So here's what they got to do. After they watched the podcast, walk out in their backyard, pick up a sledge hammer and hit themselves in the face with it. Because they're the problem. Yes. And, you know, probably a lot of pastors like, well, you know, we don't want to get into politics. You see, you know, God loves this, and God loves that. And you know, we're just preaching the gospel, and it's like, Listen, man, the Scripture addresses all those salient issues that are dinner table concerns, and we're supposed to disciple nations, not just win people to Christ, and discipling nations, and discipling Christians entails teaching them the biblical worldview. And that deals with economics that deals with taxation that deals with these things called freedom and liberty. And, again, these these little crucify and pusillanimous pastors Gary, that won't touch it. You know, I think I think it's because they're whores. I think they're sold out to money. I think they're sold out to, you know, public approval and political correctness. And I, I would low, I'm not a I'm not a perfect man at all, man. But I'll tell you what I got. I've got a healthy dose of the fear of God, I would love to be in their shoes, when they die, and they rock up to the Bema Seat. And they have to count to God for their congregation, when there are all these draconian overlords and enemies and satanic stuff happening. And they didn't equip their people to think through these salient issues. If it was up to these pastors, unlike our founders and framers, who had the majority of them, had great Christian education, and were solid as a rock in regards to their biblical worldview. If it was up to them, and the founding of the framing of the United States, and they were back then, with their little chicken heart mindset, the United States will be called United States of war suffocation, and we probably wouldn't even have a country because they would have bowed and kiss Snagit to King George's reign, you know, so we've got to, we got to get the black robe regiment back, man. That's why I wrote the book. Dear Christian, your ears full of crap. Try to, you know, give brains and balls or the brothers. And so I'm trying to pull them out of the weeds cause this fights raging, it's hot. God's given us weapons and armor to wax the powers of darkness. And it's, it's it's time for us to blow the dust off of them and use them. Yeah, yeah, Gary Duncan  29:43  I agree. I agree. And I did have one of the pastors it's leading. There's a couple of different black road regiments. But this guy, he's he does kind of a theatrical, theatrical educational thing on black robe regimen and it's it footnoted Doug Giles  30:00  you got to do one that makes fun of the TinkerPop pastors, we could do it. The red necklace che regiment. There's a little dandies, you know? Gary Duncan  30:13  Tell us how you really feel. Just don't hold back. Because no, I mean, I, there's so much that the that I agree with and there's truth in it. And, you know, it's just like you said, you give tons of stories of Paul and, and David and I wouldn't put up with what we just went through. Doug Giles  30:33  Well forget. Okay, let's let's remove, you know, the biblical badass is from the equation, you know, like David and Moses and Paul and Peter and chief dragon slayer Himself, Jesus, the midwives in Exodus one, they wouldn't put up with Pharaohs edicts like, hey, we want you to kill all the babies and like, okay, yeah, we'll do that. And, and they started saving the babies save Moses. And then Pharaoh is like, dude, what do you do? And it's like, well, you know, the Jews, they have big hips, they birth before we can get there and boom, you know, that's so they lied. They did. So check it out. They lied to Pharaoh. they disobeyed Pharaoh. And God said that they feared him. And they feared the Lord and they obeyed God, through disobeying civil magistrates, Pharaoh and lying about why they did what they did. So I don't know if they taught you that in in youth group. But it's in the Bible, you know? Yeah. I love that. It's another thing about Paul and Peter. It's like, Well, Paul wrote Romans 13. You know, we're to obey authorities, like wait, wait a minute, you're to obey civil magistrates, when they praise what's good, and they punish what's evil, exactly. When they punish what's good and praise what's evil, then you're duty bound as a lesser magistrate, as a free person under God, to disobey them and to rebel against them. And if you look at Paul's life, Paul bounced in and out of prison more than Lindsay Lohan did from 2007 to 2013. Peter, he was constantly Gary's constantly in jail. And so if somehow he meant Look, everything that the Caesar says, are everything that the king, you know, dictates you're supposed to do it? Well, then Peter, sure as heck didn't lead by example. And neither did Paul. Because again, like I said, those cats had a lot of mug shots, you know? Gary Duncan  32:30  Yeah, we've, I think we've been through this gracefield Love Field. last two decades, and we've raised a bunch of chocolate soldiers. We've not been through a real war that creates hardships and reliance on God. And so we just don't know, like, like you were saying, you went through the deep parts of was Africa and in the, in the jungles in the dark places. So just like David was learning how to be David, as a kid by killing lions and tigers. When he was tending sheep, there you go. When you kill that one? Doug Giles  33:12  Sure did. Gary Duncan  33:13  Oh, man, what do you use? Doug Giles  33:15  I use a 450 403 inch double rifle. And that thing came to kill us and Oh, man. The one problem I have with the Scripture gearing because everybody asked me like, Do you have any problems with the Bible? Like the creation account or Noah's Ark? Or, you know, virgin birth? And it's like, Well, honestly, I do. And Lord, forgive me. You're listening. I'm sure you are. I have problems believing that David killed one of those kitty cats that 600 pounds with his bare hands. Gary Duncan  33:50  That's pretty big cat. He's for those that are on the podcast. He has a mountain a mountain lion or it's a cat. It's a lion. Yeah, African lion thing weighs what's 1800 pounds or something? Doug Giles  34:03  So the taxidermist put it in we didn't weigh it, but he guesstimate around 606 Gary Duncan  34:10  scary cat. Yeah, Doug Giles  34:12  so anyway, of course, I'm being facetious. I believe that. Yes. You know, through God's power read, you can kill lions and bears with your hands. Gary Duncan  34:20  Right? So you know, it's just where we haven't come through those struggles to really be Doug Giles  34:26  carried the church hasn't the pastors haven't allowed them to parents haven't allowed their kids to struggle. Little Timmy suffering or poor little Tanya, she's going through a rough time. That's fricking life man pony up. You know, you just didn't say if you come to me, it's going to be tiptoe through the tulips are gonna have trouble in this world. He said, But cheer up. I've overcome it. Gary Duncan  34:49  Yeah, yeah. Well, I know you gotta get going here out. Tell us what you think. Let's see, where do we go from here, I guess is a question. You know, Hey, what's your best advice for those that might have surely have gotten offended as I've listened to this, but how to get over that? And to realize the essence of what we're trying to do, we're at war. We're in a all out blitzkrieg war of demonic proportions. And we need to wake up to that. Doug Giles  35:24  Yeah, so that that would be, wait, you know, drink a double espresso and wake the heck up to what's going on. And it's not business as usual, as you just said, this is not normal, you know? And, and for people, it's like, well, this is the new normal. It's like, no, that's some new. What do they call it? The Latin StarCore Torah and the Greek they call it scribble on the Brits call it bollocks. And in Texas, we call it bullcrap. There's no new normal, we always go back to what the Scripture says we operate according to the manual. And, but but practical advice for parents, they're dipping into the podcast right now. Get your kids out of public school, because there are no fans Christianity. If you have a boy in public school, they're going to they're going to shame him away from his masculinity. And we need masculine men under the governance of God who providers, protector centers and heroes. More than Yoko Ono needs a tuning fork. Also, as much as you can get your kids away from social media, Instagram, Facebook, Netflix, all that bullcrap. And I'm not a legalist. But just get them away from that, get them into fishing, hunting, farming, trapping, that kind of stuff, get them out in the outdoors, to where they don't have eye posture, where they're just looking down all the time, get them into something where, you know, they're taking in this incredible creation, and they're being stewards of it. Like we're, you know, God created man to be. And thirdly, well, Gary, if you think that people got offended regarding all the crap that I just said in the last 30 minutes, they will get offended on this, I would pull your kids out. If you've got a church, that's effeminate. If you've got a church, that's therapeutic, if you got a church that curled up in the fetal position of what their big Christian diaper during COVID Leave it and go to home groups. Do some kind of supplemental feeding. We've got tons of great stuff over on our podcast on gels dot lor. Listen to what Gary has to say. But I believe the church man because those aren't leaders, if they don't repent over what they did during COVID. If they're not addressing the Martin Luther said this he goes if I don't address the most salient issues that concern my flock, and what's going on right here and right now from a biblical perspective, than Luther said, all my preaching the sin Ezekiel had put to him this way in Ezekiel three God says if you see bad crap going down on the planet, and you don't say diddly squat about it, I'm gonna hold you accountable, just as you just just as much as the people who have sinned. The priest, the Prophet, the pastor, who does not blow the trumpet. He said, I'll hold you accountable for their blood. It'll be on your head. So have a good night's sleep. Yeah, no, no, I Gary Duncan  38:18  agree. I mean, I'm, I'm there. I left my church of 1215 years. And it's kind of you know, it's it's a wilderness define those that are the remnant church, those that are the warriors. There are a few and far and in between. So I just I don't have the tolerance to hear the happy clappy, you know, we're in a war we're being shot at we're being murdered we're being and if it's not addressed or brought up or any kind of just acknowledgement of where we're at. I'm done. I'm done with it. Doug Giles  38:57  How many how many churches addressed the issue of the raid on Mar a Lago? Gary Duncan  39:02  Not a single one? Probably. Of course. I can't say because I haven't been in all of them. Doug Giles  39:07  Yeah, I guarantee a lot of them danced around it that didn't happen Look over there. Hey, guys, are you want to do you want to prosper today? Hey, you want to you know feel good about justice? Like what are you talking about? You're taking her Gary Duncan  39:21  next we're next you know, we won't wake up till they come for us and the rest of us will already be taken other other measures but Doug Giles  39:33  it's you know, it's time for the men to come in the in the women of God the midwives of Exodus one it's time for the David's the Elijah is the Moses all those guys you know, to come to the forefront. Look at the look at the cat that God used in order to steer this. The state of the ship or the ship of the state. Correct Donald Trump. He's gonna kick out weirdos, man. And that's why exactly that's why God's pick you that's why Pick Me because we're fricking weird. But you know what? We love them. We love his word. Not afraid. Try. Yep, Gary Duncan  40:07  you got it, man. Doug, it's been a pleasure. I know you got to run and his book. Dear Christians, your fear is full of crap. What's up? I'm done reading this one. Give me what's your next best one that I need to be written? Doug Giles  40:22  Yeah. So if you haven't read Psalms of war prayers that literally kick ass that's been my all time bestsellers. 26 weeks at number one on Amazon. You know, sad to say that it's dropped to the top 10 After nearly a year, being on Amazon, that's a must read. It will change the way that you pray forever. And I've got a new book coming out October 1. And it's a devotional for man. It's called the wild man devotional. 50 days. Or we're dudes to plow through what was around in my little 10 brain? That's good. Gary Duncan  40:57  Yeah, cuz I heard y'all talk about on your podcast. So yeah, check out his podcast as well with warriors and wild man. And, Doug. It's been a pleasure, man. I could. We could talk all day. But this has been great. Appreciate your time. 

https://www.amazon.com/Rediscovering-America-National-Holidays-Amazing/dp/1637581599https://www.discovery.org/p/powell/Scott Powell has been an entrepreneur for 30+ years, founding two companies. He has been a fellow at Stanford's Hoover Institution and is currently senior fellow at Discovery Institute. Having been a frequent guest on national radio and TV, he has also published 250 articles in such publications as the Wall Street Journal, Barron's Financial, New York Post,Scott, welcome to Freedom Fridays. Glad to have you here.Well, it's really great to be with you, Gary. And I really applaud and support your great work. It's really missionary work.Well, thank you so much. Scott's got a book out. And we're gonna talk a little bit about that. But we've got there's a special day coming up that I don't think I'd say 99% of America has no clue about his book is called rediscovering America. And it talks a lot about the different holidays, and really the origin of them all. So this is one of those holiday when it's not holiday. Well, it is. It's a forgotten holiday. We don't, we don't take the day off because of it, but it's around the corner. And that day is called Constitution Day. So Scott, tell us, tell us a little bit about it. origination and and what we need to be doing to really wake America up to the importance of that day. 0:57  Well, I think it's safe to say that America's America is different than all other countries, really, in, in human history, and let me explain why. Certainly, there were times in past history, when there were nation states of cultural achievement, virtue and efflorescence, such as in Periclean, Athens, in the Florence of the muddy cheese, in in England, of Elizabeth and Shakespeare, but none of those cultures and nations were founded the way America was, the United States is the only country in the entire history of mankind that was specifically founded on ideas and principles, rather than on blood, lineage, language, common culture, the spoils of war and conquest. And the founding ideas of America are articulated largely in the Declaration of Independence, and then they were, then a government was formed through the writing, the drafting of the Constitution, and the ideas of the declaration are simply that all people are created equal in value. And that people that all people have unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And those rights, they come from God, they do not come from the state. And that's really what makes America so unique. And those ideas remain as powerful and true today as ever. And that is because of course, that those rights come from God and not nothing can can destroy. You know, God's creation, God, God wants God created life to be a certain way. That's that's the way it is. And it's up to us to live up to it. And America was a remarkable marker in human history in that it institutionalize these God given rights. So that, essentially was what makes America unique and great. And just to refresh the audience's memory of how things happen, the Declaration of Independence was written about one year into the Revolutionary War. And, you know, without God's help, we never would have won that Revolutionary War. And that's that's a long story. And it's a it's a fascinating story. It's almost it's almost more interesting it then then fiction, it's so there's so much drama in it and so many different, different reversals and surprises in the course of how this underequipped underfunded much smaller continent, Continental Army could defeat greatest military power in the world. So after the war was over, we lived under a weak government under the RSO of Confederation and all kinds of problems began cropping up. And it was decided that we we needed to reform those articles of Confederation and form a new government and that was the reason for the Constitutional Convention, which convened in May of 1787. And they completed their work remarkably, in only four months. And they and and the Constitution was signed off on all but a few there were a few holdouts that didn't agree with everything, but they were only two or three that didn't sign the Constitution on September 17 1787. So it's that date of the signing of the Constitution. That is the basis for Constitution Day, which is you know, What what's known as a national observance holiday. And it's really important, because of what we're going through. So we can talk a little bit more about about, you know, where we are today in terms of the role of the Constitution and how the Constitution might, you know, maybe being undermined by our current rulers, 5:22  September 17, allows the school system to suppose to be teaching that constitution in celebrating that one day. And I don't know that that's being done. Now, let's not explain a little bit more about that. Well, 5:39  Constitution Day, which falls on September 17, was originally designed in a way as a national observance holiday, to educate the American people about the Constitution. And of course, the schools are where most people get educated. So it was recognized that that would be a very good use of the one day of the year Constitution Day, to use that day, to educate people in school about the Constitution. And of course, you can't cover everything in one day, but at least you could raise in appreciation for this amazing document that has given us our freedom, given us our way of life, give it given us, you know, our prosperity really has come out of the fact that the Constitution limited the government, limiting the scope and the reach of government and allowed people to be free to be to flourish and be prosperous, to be entrepreneurs and creative and, and push the envelope of creating and building things. And that is what accounts for America going from poverty at the time of the Constitution to being literally the world economic superpower in less than 200 years. It's just an incredible story when you think about it. 7:03  Yes. What's amazing is it took them you said four months to Yeah, draft the Constitution yet it's it takes our Congress years to get anything passed. That's right. How can parents get involved in Constitution Day is a hard one comment months ago about a parent that would just ask their teacher to allow them to come in, he's a service member, and come in and speak about that. I think the parents have a right we can do that. I look, I 7:34  think I think that there are so many rights that we have that we don't exercise, because we I think everyone's busy. Most people are very busy, you know, they're trying to put food on the table and, and take the kids to the after school activities. We're all very, very busy people. And we sort of felt that, well, education, the schools are taking care of that. And we're not as involved as we could be in it isn't that parents should have parents should oversee schools and that and I think well managed schools have some kind of interface like a parent teacher association that does that. No, my school that my daughter attends, and we have such a thing. And that's where, where we should encourage the school, you know, to take September 17 and use that as a day, you know, to for students to really learn more about Constitution because after all, the Constitution is really the foundation of our building. And if we don't understand our foundation, well, the building may not always be standing if our foundation crumbles because we under appreciate the Constitution. And we are in those times right now, I'll tell you, because our government, the current regime, the Biden in the Biden Administration, has radically departed from the Constitution. And it is weaponized as an politically weaponized the very institutions that we would look to to protect our country 9:19  will pick this conversation up on the next episode of freedom Fridays. Y'all have a good one and happy Constitution Day. 9:27  Thanks again for listening to this episode of remnant revolution. If you liked what you heard, please leave a comment and rating in iTunes and Google Play. This helps us get heard by more people. And don't forget to share the podcast with your friends and family. Be sure to visit www dot remnant revolution.org to join the conversation, access the show notes and keep up to date on important events and programming. To catch all the latest from me. You can follow me on Instagram at remnant revolution. Until next time, armor up, stand up and speak up.  

Check out Dick Morris new bookhttps://www.amazon.com/RETURN-TRUMPS-BIG-2024-COMEBACK/dp/1630062073/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=dick+morris&qid=1663340971&sr=8-1https://www.dickmorris.com/ Hey, you've got back in the day when Hillary was around you did you had a book called Armageddon how Trump beat Hillary? Yeah, you got a lot of slack from that. But now you've got a new announced the return Trump's big 2024 comeback. Right? So how tell us some of the things that's going on, you got three principles, you talked about further patriotic Americans.Let me tell you about what's going on right now. The Democratic strategy is becoming clearer. And I want to, I want to discuss it. In politics these days, there's only room for one person, the star, the 2016 election was all about Hillary Trump was an afterthought. Nobody really talked about it. In the 2020, election, Trump was the focus Biden didn't exist, nobody spoke about him at all. And since 2020, it's been Biden. And what Biden is a no politician can really handle the spotlight entirely in our politics today. And what the way Democrats strike you is to make trump the spotlight, make him the issue. And to make Biden kind of go away as the issue. They want to make everything about Trump. And they feel that correctly, that if they do that people are not going to pay much attention to the economy or to inflation or to borders or gas prices. They'll focus on the danger Donald Trump poses. And then to exacerbate that there, they're going to talk about it in dialing in, and probably willing, David. I think the archive indictment will be the equivalent of inviting somebody to an overdue library book. Because there's, there's no national security implication of Donald Trump didn't, didn't release her secrets, the worst thing he did was to hang on to them for two more years than he should have. And they're going to make that the whole discussion is going to be about should we indict Donald Trump? And if we did, should he be convicted, that's going to drown everything else out when they're in their bottom line to prevent him from running some legal way? Some no way that they can say you can't run? No,I thought that too. But it's pretty clear that there's not any that would succeed. I don't think they're going to try. What they're going to try to do is to foment a primary in the Republican Party to try to Lloyd DeSantis into the race. And they know very well, the Trump won't vacate his position. And that this will be a bloodbath and absolute civil war in the Republican Party. Set up scars that will last forever. And people are going to say, well, the Republicans can say, look, I approve of Trump's policies and honor his achievements. But let's get the Santas in because he's Trump like there was no baggage there. And there are plenty of reasons why Trump is better than DeSantis. Lots of them. But the key thing is that if DeSantis got in, there would be this huge civil war that would so divide the Republican Party that there's no way that the that the that the Democrats debated when Democrats would then be certain to win. Right. They want to split us. Exactly. Now, what what I've heard congressman here in town, that's been that one our primary say that, you know, if we play our cards, right, we'll have red wave this November, and then we'll have four years of Trump and then we'll have eight years of DeSantis possibly. Does that sound like a good road? Yeah, it sure does. DeSantis would be good candidate and 28. But to run now would be a disaster. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And look, I think that we have to understand that Donald Trump is a unique figure in history, asking, suggesting that another one could come along that easily is like, saying Ron Reagan could be dispensed with, we could find somebody else. We did. We had bush and he wasn't nearly as good. And I think that so that I think that's the Democrats game. And they're deliberately baiting Trump and baiting his supporters, so that they really act out and it becomes a civil war. Did they have something behind the curtain just like they did with the voter? Issue, the fraud and all that went on with that, do you think is there something even deeper darker because to me, this is a spiritual battle for the highest place in our country. And if we don't pay attention To do that, you know, we're gonna we're gonna be in the same spot. I mean, everybody felt Trump had it in. I mean, he was he was in a shoo in. And I'm a little nervous to say the same thing, even with people saying it's a gonna be a red wave. I'm already seeing stuff on TV. They're talking about how it's the red wave is cooling bunch of BS, butthat's what the Democrats are putting out there. The fact is that it's actually accelerating. Herschel Walker has now moved ahead in Georgia. Vance is five ahead in Ohio.His opponent in Georgia, that doesn't matter in Georgia if they're going to rig the election. I mean, how do we stop them?Well, in Georgia, they won't wait the election nor in Florida and Northern Arizona, because the legislature has passed and the governor has signed a total election reform, no dropboxes. No, with all signature verification, photo ID at every level of the process. There's no way that race would be stolen. You know, when the other swing states, particularly when we get to 24. There's a good chance of that, except that the Supreme Court is about to come down with the ruling in October and November, in a little known case called more V. Harper, more versus harbor in which the state this is the suit says that the legislature is not the governors are in charge of the elections. And because the Constitution says that it says the times places in manners of choosing numbers, the House and Senate shall be determined by the state legislatures, not the states that are legislatures, because they didn't trust gubernatorial authority, they were worried back dictators. So this would mean that the governors in the following states would not be able to stop the laws passed by the legislature that have the same good laws as we have in Georgia, Florida, and Arizona, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, all of the swing states. So they think it's 24, we can be pretty sure it won't be stolen. The goal in 2020 was to steal the election by switching everybody to paper ballots and melons. The goal here is to steal the election, by inviting Trump creating doubts about him by the indictment. In daily numbers, they said Fred overdue library book, that's all the archive thing boils down to. And because there's no national security issue there, and but they're doing it so that they can make him radioactive, and so that they can foment a civil war in the Republican Party.So so how do we how do we, especially in my field, as Christians, how do we help fight against this?thing we do is that we we double our loyalty to Trump, we make clear that we're with him. If he gets indicted, we say, Hey, he's been impeached, twice indicted once. So whatis the best candidate then? Right? Yeah. Right. And evenif he's convicted of having an overdue library book, okay. You pay your fine, and that's it. But I think that the that the best thing we can do, the most important thing we can do, is to oppose those who say, within a party, to say, let's go with DeSantis, or somebody else, because that's the democratic goal of civil war. Now, quickly, I have have gotten some numbers on our past elections. And the apathy within the Republican Party is truly pathetic, because we had four conservative school board members running in just in my little precinct to 3700 people. And 47 people pulled Republican ballots to vote for these people. And I've heard that was Heidi St. John's up in Washington. I've heard that through other people, but I've seen the numbers and it's truly appalling. the apathy of the Republican Party, and that is the is how school board elections and not publicized. Nobody knows they happen. And the unions and the parents and the teachers control those elections. But in the national elections and the overall elections, the turnout is humongous. Yeah, yeah, we do show up for elections. Yeah, we should change the phrase turn out to turn in. Because what the Democrats did was to come deliver the ballot. And people as pizza delivery boy knows that beats eating out. And other Republicans worked on getting 11 million new people to go to the polls to vote and they succeeded. The Democrats get 15 million couch potatoes to stay home and mark the ballots on the couch. Yes, yes. So well, Dick, I know you got to run sir but that At checkout, his new book is called the return. Trump's big 2420 24 comeback. Any parting words for us is give us the charge to go out there. What do we do? We resist the, the we we stand up to Trump. We understand that He's unique. We understand that he's the only guy that can win this race. And that is that we resist the democratic plan to discredit Him and to make him the issue. Well, thank you for your time, sir. It's been great. Thank you. Bye bye.  

 https://toddcoconato.com/https://www.youtube.com/c/ToddCoconatohttps://globalvisionbc.com/  Gary Duncan  1:43  I just ran across Todd coconut, excuse me, one of my previous guests on the podcast and just wanted to get his input on what he's seen so far at this conference, Todd, thanks for, Unknown Speaker  1:53  hey, it's good to be with you, man. It's so good to be here in person with you. And honestly, you can't see me right now, if you're listening online, but I'm weeping. Because I was just telling Gary, you know, there's a lot of people that just say, America's done, give up, you know, contract into your cave and just kind of wait for the rapture, you know, but what we're seeing is the Lord is moving in city upon city upon city, altars are filled beaches, people are getting baptized and beaches. I saw it in California, I saw it in Washington, we're going back to Idaho, and a week, we were just in Myrtle Beach. I mean, I can't even remember all the places you know. And so I just want to encourage anybody that's listening, I really believe we needed to get to this place as a nation and as a church, because we were complacent. And we were, for about 30 years, we really have kind of lost our way, as a body. I'm not saying that there wasn't people that were getting saved, or God wasn't moving. But I feel like we kind of got into the, into the weeds and into celebrity Christianity and into apathy and complacency. So God is allowing this shaking, which is difficult to go through. Because, you know, we see the political environment, we see a lot of egregious things. But I really believe that what's birthing from this is people are drawing nearer to God, that's what tends to happen in times of challenges that people draw near to God. And it's unfortunate. I remember in 911, the churches were full, you know, and then all of a sudden, it started weaning off and people kind of went back to normal and, you know, but But what is normal? Is the question, you know, it was normal before COVID. Was that normal? Or, you know, was that the best that we could be? I really feel like God is saying, Look, I'm coming back for a church without spot or wrinkle. And he's coming back for the church of Philadelphia, not the church of lead if he doesn't want to compromise Church, the Bible says a little leaven leavens the whole lump. And he says that if you're lukewarm, he's going to spit you out. So this is really a moment of decision for us all. It's a time for us to draw closer to the Lord. There was a great sermon by my friend Malika O'Brien this morning. He was talking about fasting and praying and going deeper, and he was really emphasizing, I really agree with him. It's not about how many followers we have, or, you know, us getting a platform or us having a big ministry. This is a time to really Chuck Close, and hunger and thirst for righteousness and cry out to God. And the Bible says those who call upon the name of Lord shall be saved will be saved. And so that's what I believe God wants for us as a church is to cry out to Him to be a repentant people to be a people that hunger and thirst for righteousness, that that'd be a people that truly draw near and call upon his name and pray and fast, seek His face. And so if we do that, I believe God is going to respond if it responds to the prayers of the righteous. That's what the word of God says the faithful, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much. And I really believe that this is a Second Chronicles 714 moment I believe, we have a decision to make. We still have a country we still have our freedoms for the most part. Like I mentioned, there's some very egregious things happening but hey, Roe v. Wade was just overturned all of a sudden You saw the Georgia Guidestones come down in a day to some people, that's not a big deal. But hey, come down in a day. You know, there's things that are happening. And I really believe this is a time of big faith. And so it's not a time to go into our cave and wait to be raptured out. This is a time to occupy until he comes to stand on the promise of God, which is yes and amen. hope in the future, to remember what the Word of God says, the faithful for repair the faithful servant, but what does that look like? Faithful fervent prayer all in? You know, and I think that he's also really making us take a, you know, a check on our own heart and saying is my heart in the right place hasn't been in the right place? Can I go deeper? Well, certainly we can. You know, I had an opportunity to meet Billy Graham before he passed. And I remember something he said very distinctively. But even in his very senior years in the ministry, he said, I'm ever the child in Christ, I'm always growing. And that really impacted me because we always have to be growing, we always have to be saying, Lord, what can I do to you know, have another layer peeled away? How can I go deeper in in you, Lord, I want to be in your presence. And, and just, you know, there's so many different things, and I'll just, I'll share this, Gary, you know, this is kind of crazy, but it's a true story. Last August, I was sleeping, and I have a little daughter, and she was in our bed, you know, and my wife was sleeping, and she was sleeping. And I think it was a dream. But I saw an angel. It was so real. And I would you know the first thing the Bible says every time that there is an angel and angelic experience, the people are paralyzed with fear. And that's what first came over. I was like, Oh, my gosh. And then I realized, no, this is not a demon. It's something holy, it's an angel. So then I was okay. And it just said two things, to me, it said, be consecrated, and come out from among them, be consecrated and come out from among them. Now, I've been a pastor for over 20 years, I've been in the ministry many, many years. And so I'm thinking myself, you know, I need to get more consecrated, you know, what do you mean, come out from among them, you know, and that was last August. So there's a whole year ago, and this last year, God has just been taking me deeper, and I've really been inquiring what what did that mean? Now? You know, I woke up from that, and I wasn't, you know, I think I woke up. I mean, it was so real, it might have been just happening. I was like, half asleep, but it was so real. But then, after that happened, I was just like, I couldn't go back to sleep. So I went into my prayer room, and I'm just sitting there for hours until it got morning. And then it's just, you know, ever since then I've been thinking about it. And those two things come out from among them and be consecrated. You know, we've been trying to live in this Babylon system, we've been trying to stay on these social media platforms that censor us now, you know, all these different things that we do in our culture, we've been trying to be like the culture, instead of being the head and not the tail, we've been trying to be, you know, approved by the culture instead of leading the culture. And so I really believe what God wants to bless is to come out from that Babylon system, the entirety of it, and to end it be the head and not the tail to be the church, and then to be consecrated me set apart. You know, stop with the compromise and and this is all of us, I'm preaching to myself. Stop with the compromise because look at look at the world right now. The world needs Jesus, we have the answer. Jesus is real. This is reality. This is the reality of the situation the spirit the spirit of Gary Duncan  8:11  the spirit of religion, yes, it's destroyed the church Come on, and and what I've heard from different people, and just what we do with these young people today, we, we we prayed for them, we're concentrating them to go out and be the, the voice. And it's, it's the, the no names that are out there. You know, people about, you know, a guy that just thinks he's gonna start a podcast just to get the word out. Just anybody. It doesn't have to come through straight from the top from the pastor's, right? Because 2020 to me was a wake up call to the church. And you and we see how well that woke pastors up it didn't. It didn't. The people in the pews are going, what are you doing? Can you not see this? And so we've got to have a heart for the special we got to pray for these pastors to begin to see the light to see the growth, like Pastor block was saying his church knew about deliverance for he did. And he's preaching. Unknown Speaker  9:12  This was a bap and I'm, you know, Greg's my friend. I mean, literally, he was a Baptist preacher. He didn't even know about some of the gifts of the Spirit and the Lord just let him misdirection. Why, because he'd been seeking the heart to God, spending time in the secret place. And now we're looking at a temple of like, 3000 people that are crying out to God, the altar is filled with young people. And this is Greg would say this, this is not about him to sign smears, right. It's just simply about standing and saying yes to the Lord. And yes, his spirit. None of us are perfect. None of us have it all figured out. But we need wait. Like you said, Gary, we've got to stand. We've got to, we've got to fight. We've got to we can't. We have to understand the God that we serve. We have to understand that we can tap into the power of His Holy Spirit, and we can take back this territory to the kingdom to God. So don't give up don't grow weary in doing good Use this time to go deeper. Get into the Word of God. Hide it in your heart, declare and decree telling you and start praying. If your family needs prayer, start praying for your loved ones, start praying for your friends, and trust God that he's going to do a miracle. I was a messed up person in Hollywood, when I was younger, I was a child actor, I got stabbed nine times. And when the presence of the Lord, it was my Damascus road, but God has done a miracle in each and every one of our lives every day that we get up as a miracle. Every day that we breathe is a miracle. If you've had a child, that's a miracle, I mean, the fact that we have a roof over our head, we have food on the table, we are blessed people. And so I really believe that God is waiting for us to show up and to say, use me like the prophet Isaiah, send me. And once we do that, I'm telling you, it's limitless. Like you said, he's using the hidden remnant people for a time is this It's amazing. Gary Duncan  10:51  Yeah. And don't be afraid of it. The available God is walking around this earth looking for those he can use, and the devil is to. And that's what we need to be awake to the devil is around walking around this world looking for those who can destroy control. This deliverance conference is a start for the awakening of a church to attack. We've been so long we've not attacked, we've been, like you said, Churchill love this. Love to see, you know, we're just lukewarm. And it's time for a fire to come about. And I think one of the things in here Mount Juliet start, you know, start and through this and, and thank you for what you do on your podcast and your organization. And just preaching the Word. I mean, just one thing I liked about you, where you would constantly talk about the secret place and being intimate with the Lord, because that's the first start, that's the first place you got to go. And that's honestly, for those that aren't aware of that, for me, that is the hardest, most dangerous place. The devil wants me here. And so he does everything hooked crook, still keel to keep me out of that falls in my house, to pray. And so for those that are listening, if you have a place, you don't have a place, find a place and get in it. And I'm preaching to myself, like you say, you know, because that's the key. None of it matters. If that's not the first place. Unknown Speaker  12:16  If you have that, you know, it's like any relationship, you know, if I were to neglect my wife, I mean, I go on the road a lot. I try to bring her with me everywhere, because you know, I don't want to neglect you, I want to have a good relationship. I want to be in community and I want to be you know, we're one before the Lord. And so it's the same thing we've got, we can't neglect that relationship. We want to not just, you know, go like Santa, you know, hey, I want this, I want that, you know, wish list. We want to hear what God's saying to us. We, you know, My sheep hear my voice. And he'll speak to you, if you listen, you know, and some people say, Well, I can't hear the Lord, stay in that secret place until you do, he will speak. He will speak, I'm telling you, there's times when I sit there and they say, I don't hear anything. And then I get on my face, I start putting out worship music. And I start crying out and weeping. Also, the word starts moving. Get into the word heal speaker, the word of God. fresh revelation, Gary Duncan  13:05  let me ask you one last tough question. What is what is a father, a husband, or a wife? When there's this unity, because of because of what we've gone through. What can a man or woman do whichever side their own, where the other spouse may not be 100% on board, the man or woman has has failed in many attempts, not praying for the wife not praying for the children and fighting his own battles or his or her own battles? What what? You know, it's easy to say go getting your claws, right? Yeah. But there's so much out there. keeping everyone from doing that. Is there something you can say that just kind of helps, you know, the Holy Spirit is gonna move. But sometimes it's just constant long term, you're walking through the valley of the shadow. And you just gotta keep having faith, keep having faith, keep having faith? Don't give up. Right. Unknown Speaker  14:09  Such a good question. You know, I think there's more people in this position than we realize, because a lot of people don't say publicly what they're going through. You know, I hear this almost every day. And I went to the Lord about this. Now, my wife, you know, she pretty much is on the same page. But you know, there's some things that maybe we once in a while, don't agree on. But for the most part, she is but for a while, she wasn't and I had to pray it through. And I'm a preacher, I'm an evangelist. But here's the thing about that. The Lord when I was going into the prayer about this, and I finally heard the Spirit speak, and he said, you can be one of two people in this relationship. You can be the person that's not hearing from me or you can be the person that's hearing from me. He says which one you want to be? I said, Well, I want to be the person that hears from you. He says, Well, okay, then you're in the better position. So then you your job is to pray. Because if you're the one that's asleep, and the other one's awake, well then the other ones praying for you. So that's the thing is Our job is to be an intercessor. And to war for our family to war for Our Children of War for our spouse, we can't just give up. Listen, when you have the breakthrough, you go into such another level of depth. And you realize, like, you know what, I fight for all these different things I fight to, you know, people fight for everything and like to have a good job to, you know, make good money. Why don't we fight for our family? Why don't we fight for our spouse, you know, we have to. And so and when you do that, the Lord response, like you said, they'll give you might not be right away, but just be faithful, and show them. They're watching you. They're watching your actions. And sometimes you don't realize it. But you know, the word of God has not returned back boy, you know, I'm saying, and so there's, you're always moving the needle, as long as you're staying in the right mindset, and you're in the Spirit. And so that's the key. We can't control any other person, but we can control ourselves. And so that's where the, it's a fruit of the Spirit, self control. So if you walk in that fruit of the Spirit, the Bible says, you know them by their fruit, what happens is other people respond. There's a Greek word, it's called at bolo. It's kind of a funny word at bolo. And it's what it means. And this many times in the Bible. In fact, when you, when we're commissioned, go and make disciples go, go out, cast out, drive out, that's what that Greek word means go out, cast out, drive out. What that means is that when we come into the room, and we're filled with the Spirit of God, we've spent time in prayer, we have an active prayer life. And you know, we fasted all these different things. What happens is literally the atmosphere shifts, it changes. And that's our mission as Christians right now in this place. That's why we can't retract. Because if we go out, and we cast out and we drive out, that's how we take back the territory. And sometimes our biggest ministry is right there in the house. So you know, I look, I could go all over the country and see, you know, many, many people saved and set free him delivered. But if I can't do that mountain family, then what's the problem? Right, so, you know, hang in there. Don't be discouraged. That's the biggest thing the devil wants to use. I'll give you a little one of my hidden secrets here. Go on to YouTube and put in David Wilkerson. Oh, yeah. Okay, and listen to some good David Wilkerson sermon and Carter Conley, oh, my gosh, you know, and you'll get fired up because that man, he was really ahead of his time. And I feel like a lot of things that he said were for this hour, and he gets it. And so you know, just just feel yourself a beat your soul, and then go into that prayed up and watch what God does in your family. I've seen it with spouses, Millie. I mean, not millions, but 1000s of times in the ministry over the years, I've seen it with kids that people thought would never come down. In fact, we just have one this week, that girl was totally messed up, you know, sleeping around drugs, alcohol, that the mom would have thought it never would have changed. And now she's a preacher, man, I'm telling you, within a month, something shifted in her life. And that was the prayer of the righteous. And so it happens sometimes suddenly, but hang in there. Don't give up. Don't grow weary. Know that people are praying with you. Get intercessors on your team, find like minded individuals, and partner with them in prayer and watch what God does. Gary Duncan  17:58  Great. Thank you so much. It's been a pleasure. Yes, sir. Great words. Thank you, my friend. Unknown Speaker  18:04  Thanks again for listening to this episode of remnant revolution. If you liked what you heard, please leave a comment and rating in iTunes and Google Play. 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Check out Stuart's Youtube Channel  "Message for Our Time"https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8gzU1q2-yIUDH8so1zV8dQTo request  Stuart's phamplet "The Biggest Lie of All"  email him below.spagatner52@sky.comBooks mentionedWhen Your Money Fails Paperback – January 1, 1981https://www.amazon.com/When-Money-Fails-Stewart-Relfe/dp/0960798609Well, welcome to remnant revolution. I'm Gary Duncan, your host and I'm here with Stuart's Magana. He is a YouTube sensation assay because I follow him a lot, but he's a pastor out of is it England, Stewart, England. And so I'm talking to him across the pond, as they say, right, we're gonna have a great conversation about church and some of the things that are going on in our country. And I just love his heart in his message. He's very Bible centered, but he's very timely in things that are going on in this very age and very day. And so you can get great wisdom from a lot of what he says, But he backs it up with every bit of the Bible. So Stuart, it's a pleasure. Thank you for coming on the podcast and looking forward to our conversation. Thank you. So first of all, I don't know a lot about about let me let me start with how I found you. Because you have a YouTube channel. Let me share the screen for us. That this site right here, it's called messages for our time. And he's got a bunch of them. How long have you been doing this? Two years? 2020? Since 2020, 2:02  right? Yes, May 2020. Yeah. 2:05  And so very timely. You know, y'all go check him out and subscribe up there in that little right hand corner, hit that little bell right there too, as you see. And you'll get notified every time he puts one out. You do it almost every day, right? 2:19  I do. Yes. Strangled myself. I don't know how it ended up every day, actually. It's just become like that, really. I was I started once a week. 2:30  I like it. Tell us a little bit about yourself first. And then we'll get into more about your YouTube and then more specifically about some topics that you show some topics that a lot of people don't talk about, but you do. 2:42  I try. Well, I started my Christian walk 50 years ago, and this month, actually 1972 I come out of the era I like to call it I suppose shouldn't say I like to call but sex, drugs and rock'n'roll 1960s tells you my age. I just had my 70th birthday. And it was quite a time to be living or really, I suppose the 60s revolution and all that, and didn't do me an awful lot of good. And I ended up so it's a long, long story. I ended up leaving England, I was born in a place called Hove in Sussex. It's a rather a sleepy town next to a very lively town called Brighton. And it's on the south coast. And I've got myself into the drug scene got very messed up, mixed up with all kinds of people. And I was helped to get away from people, certain people that were causing me an awful lot of influence, bad influence in my life. And I was a runaway from my hometown, and ended up going up north. And this is an awfully long story that attaches to that I got involved in being accommodated by a spiritist. But he didn't actually practice Spiritism on me, he actually helped me an awful lot to get my life straight and for about six months, and encouraged me to go and join my parents who had emigrated to South Africa. I stayed behind when they went and I had the two years on my own where I was creating all sorts of havoc for myself on the drug scene, even became a salesman at one point. And I'd mess my head up with about 65 LSD trips and nearly blew my brains out. And I ended up in Cape Town in 1971. Rather, I suppose, high and dry from that experience and caused me a lot of mental damage. I ended up in a group therapy session and cut a long story short and then one of the ladies in the session said to me, why don't you go to the church that I've been going to what we know here is the Assemblies of God pain To costal church. Now I'm a Jew, grew up in a Jewish home, and wasn't a very orthodox Jewish home. But I did have what's known as the General bar mitzvah. At all Jewish boys have my father died when I was 11. And he's dying wish was I had the bar mitzvah. And I went ahead with that. And then ended up for, as I say, in this group therapy session, and then going to this church never heard the gospel in my life before with this being a Jew, you don't hear the New Testament. And I heard the words of Jesus in the Gospel for the very first time, from the book of Matthew, If any man would come after Me, let him deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me. And when I heard the words, follow me, something just happened. It was a bit like, you know, when Jesus called them, the fisherman, and he said, Follow me and you, any of you have ever watched the Jesus of Nazareth film, you know, you see them get up, and suddenly they're transfixed, and they go out to follow Jesus. And it was a bit like that, for me, it was like a Damascus Road thing, you know, just just happened to me inside. I didn't even understand what had happened to me, because I've never read the New Testament. And it took a while to get to appreciate to understand. And for the penny to drop from, it actually went the opposite way around, it went from my heart to my head, Jesus Christ as the Messiah, not just as the Gentiles, but as the Jews. And when that hit me, then I began to experience that fullness of joy, that fullness of understanding that I 6:34  become what was then known as a completed June, I found my Messiah. And I slowly started to get healed of the effects of all the drugs and the LSD, all that stuff. And ended up going into the, in the Methodist Church, actually, it was in Cape Town, and became a Methodist lay preacher, and then actually became a candidate for the Methodist ministry. But I didn't last very long in that and other influences came in. And I also realized, I probably wouldn't be able to stay with us, I discovered that I was a bit of a radical, I wasn't prepared to baptize babies, and follow a book that was full of rules and regulations that were twice the size of the Bible. So I left the Methodist Church and really started going to independent charismatic fellowships. And I've been a lay preacher for three years. And so I'd have that experience. And although I left the institutional church, I don't know the as it says, in the Scripture, the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable. And I knew that the Lord had always be with me wherever I went, whether I was in an institution, as a pastor, or whether I was independent, and ran a small house church from there and went on and off, and that kind of thing. And my life sort of went on from there. And, and it was really another situation to get involved with understanding what I termed at the time, understanding the world through understanding the prophetic message of the Bible through current events. And it was the the current and if that was like a new stage in my life, I can't experience Christ got to understand read the scriptures, I was always sort of squirrel away up in the loft of the church and get my Bible out and diligently read it, as I never read the New Testament. So it was a brand new book to me as a Jew. And that was where I went from there and then began to get interested, as I say, in in prophecy, and understanding in time events. And really, that's what sort of launched me on that road. 8:51  So how, how did you go from from there to go on onto YouTube? Was it kind of the YouTube thing was more like, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna record my thoughts. 9:01  I think I remember I mentioned that we chatted earlier about going around the United States. When I was in the it was about 1980 81. I came across a book. If you can see it there. Yes. Money, Money fails was Mary Stewart Ralph, and she was from Montgomery, Alabama. She was quite an accomplished lady. And she'd written this book, bringing people into an awareness of what in those days were the beginnings of the whole sort of, technocratic takeover I suppose you could call it the the barcodes Okay. Understanding the barcodes you might see the picture on the front there the Yeah, 9:49  I'll put a is in circulation. We'll put a link to it on 9:52  every much downside because I've tried to find it myself and I haven't. It is very, very old. But it What struck me with it was not just her, she began to sort of reveal the the beginnings of what she felt was a 666. System. This was in the early 80s. And what was her 10:12  name again, 10:13  Mary Stewart Ralph, she's possibly passed on now. I mean, this is so long ago, okay. And she wrote this book explaining the the way the 666 actually, is revealed inside the barcodes with what you call what's called a guard bars, you know, the first one, the second one in the middle, and then the third one at the end, which don't have numbers on. And I began to I actually wrote another I wrote my first pamphlet, on this particular thing. And I thought, well, this, this is very prophetic. This is looking like, we're beginning to see the system of the beast coming in the Antichrist. And I started distributing a leaflet, or pamphlet, very small one. But the idea behind it was to get people to see that, to accept Christ really a gospel tract. And that was the survey using the tools of what was happening in, in the world of computers that were actually beginning to see the emerging, we now call the mark of the beast. And I went in on my trip to America to try and find it, and went to my gallery. And unfortunately, I wasn't successful. But in the back of the book, where we've spoken before about the whole issue of endtime events and the tribulation, and when will it take place and all that sort of thing, pre trib, mid trip, post trip, whatever, she actually in the back of her book, she gives a detailed, expose a of what she understands to be mid trib, pre wrath. And I began to read this. And that was where my understanding came from, I think at the very beginning. And I studied the Scripture and the things that she put forward in that book. And that was how I began to see that and went for many years, really just just speaking about these things wherever I could art to various groups, spoke to individuals. And it's kind of gone on from there. So I've always had that awareness of the the sense that we are reaching the end of time, I always felt myself that we wouldn't even get to the year 2000. That's, of course longer. 12:33  Is there a frustration when you see what's going on trying to get people to understand what's going on to really wake them up. Because I'm definitely in that myself. It's kind of like there's, there's this curtain that's been drawn back, that you can't cover back up. And so once that curtains opened, you see stuff and you continually see. So I 12:54  think that the COVID situation really was the curtain for me kind of to draw that that's where I suppose all the other spirit column spiritual emotions came in, you know, where I began to get, I got angry with what I could see around me. I was actually working as a volunteer on the on the reception desk at my local hospital, at the time with COVID broke out. And it was really then that I started to see well, what's actually going on here, it took me about a month to realize that something wasn't right. And I was working on the front desk. And of course, like many of the hospitals around the world, they literally shut their doors unless you were a COVID patient. And they emptied the wards out of elderly people, as anyone can put it and put them into care homes. And I would my job was to to receive sort of like gifts to people who were sick, because they weren't, no visitors were allowed. And I will take them up to the walls. And I would notice as I was passing the walls that they were empty. And that staff were just walking about on their mobile phones doing pretty little. And that really started to disturb me. Then they came along and said, Well, you know, you need to start wearing masks. This was two months after the whole thing started. And I just felt no, this is all wrong. This is not how you tackle a virus. This is not what are you doing to the National Health System. And that was really what prompted me to start the YouTube channel, I suppose in a way but it was also coupled with the fact that I'm a poet. And I've got a couple of unpublished manuscripts actually, I'm keep promising myself, I'll do something with them. I used to belong to poetry circles with the city of Norwich, which is about 27 miles from where I live. And I thought well, one day I'll sit down I'll start a YouTube channel. This was May 2020. I started with a poem about COVID-19 and I just recited it. I don't think I've seen that. Yet. That was the how the thing started. And it really went on from there. But it's kind of it had a very slow growth, up until about, I suppose about four or five months ago, really. 15:20  As close to when I ran across you and started started falling as well, what actually 15:24  happened there was it was strange, it was two things really. I met another brother who has a channel. And he has quite a large channel at that time. This was about let's say, four or five months ago. And he had 19,000 subscribers at the time. And he came across one of my videos and thanking him, if I can remember rightly, he messaged me to say I know where you are. And I thought as far as strength, what do you mean? He said, Well, I can. When I stand on the beach, I can see the wind tout the Windham turbine. Actually, where we live here in Lowestoft, this the largest wind turbine in the UK, so you can't miss it. I said, Well, that means you must be up in Great Yarmouth, which is 10 miles north of us. And he says, Yes, he says, I put one of your videos on my channel. I mean, I was getting like 30 views. And even then I had to send out videos on Messenger to get them watched. And he's got about 1500 views. And it kind of went from there. And then I just started doing it. And then from that particular video, people just started to find it. And then I did this particular one called the beast, the beast in the church, the beast systems in the church. And that just seemed to go sort of viral, and it's now had something like 263,000 views. 17:01  Now is that the one where you have the pamphlet about the line, 17:04  one that was dealt with the a&r A and O productions, Alfred Amiga picked that one up, and then they use that one. 17:13  That's, that's how I found you. Rice, is I heard your voice on that video that they put out. And I'm like, wow, this guy gets it. He gets it. I gotta get hold on and talk to him. So yeah, hold that. 17:30  Yeah, that was where it really where the whole thing came in with was writing. But what I wanted to do with the pamphlet was the whole idea was having so having written something along these lines, many, many decades ago, I'd actually written another one in between these two, which have a similar graphic to this actually, except that it had them. They'd have the symbols and things like Freemasonry, Buddhism, Hinduism, and all that stuff. 17:58  And what's the name of that particular pamphlet? 18:00  That wasn't good. That one is out of print. I've only gotten on the one, 18:03  the one you're holding up that this is like, ask if people can't see. That's the biggest lie of all, the biggest lie of all, and we'll have a link right you can we put a link in the show notes, so they can email you to get a copy of that, or how's that working? 18:19  Yeah, I mean, what's been happening is people have when I've mentioned that people have said, Can I get a copy? So I've, I've, I've asked them to email me directly. And then then I've just sent sent a copy on PDF. 18:34  Okay. Yeah, we'll talk off air about how we can set that up. But 18:39  yes, I'm awfully technical with adding links, and I'm still trying to, to work out I've got a rumble channel, and I'm still trying to work out how to sync it with YouTube. Which is another situation I'm also on a channel called RT N tv.org. Okay, which is connected to a ministry, which also includes there are several other people on the platform, one of whom is Jacob prasch, who's a very, very learned brother in the Lord. He's got the Greek and the Hebrew and all that and, and does some great Bible studies. But it's getting back to the pamphlet, the idea behind it was to draw all the strands together, of what was happening not just with COVID but with the what we now know as the great reset, you know, through the World Economic Forum. And I wanted to sort of bring in the whole idea of what what is happening to lifestyles. How is that how our lifestyles changing, you know, the the emergence of a cashless society. The whole issue with regard to the the economy with the way we've seen the systematic destruction of the economy, and of course, healthcare in the UK, as I mentioned before, And, of course, the emergence of technology within the transhuman agenda artificial intelligence, and also with the virus the the way that we've people have responded to the virus and the way that lockdowns came in, was very early on, I saw that the lock downs, were going to cause a lot more damage than they were good. And, of course, now we see what it's all starting to sort of emerge. Now, of course, with a vaccine. I knew I knew straight away that that was something I wasn't going to touch. I wasn't going to put anything like that in my body. So I suppose once you've had a taste of, as you say, taken the red pill, every time something fresh or new comes up, you you kind of red pill starts to do its work inside you. And God says, you know, something's wrong there. You know, don't don't take that road. And of course, it also includes the politics and what's been going on in the world. You know, with the the woke movement, black lives matter. How emergence of that. And of course, now, in a way, I think, the pamphlets a little out of date, because now as we've moved into this Ukraine situation, we've got a new COVID, as it were to deal with distraction, and you distraction and distraction and a half. I listened to the podcast that you sent me with these, Laura rose on the scalpel. Wow, why not? Amazing, is incredible. To think what the Ukraine is really being used for at the moment. platform of the Ukraine. And, of course, it goes, 21:47  it goes back before before Oh, but Biden? Yeah, I mean, before Obama, you know, and how we've got our tentacles into Ukraine. And it's just, you know, yes, people are being killed needlessly, and it's just, it's tragic. It's a war. I mean, it's, that's what his war does. They kill innocent people. But how, how our leadership in our administration is manipulating the populace. On who's the bad guy and who's the good guy. You know, yeah, Putin has got his own deal. He's definitely bad as well. I mean, there's we're not standing up for Putin. It's the manipulation is incredible. Once you take the red pill, you start seeing past this, you become viewed as being too political. And that doesn't belong in the church. I believe Jesus, all he did was go towards the government at the beginning. That's who he fought with most of the time was the god of the 22:44  old prophets to the old prophets, Jeremiah, Isaiah, they spoken to these situations going on in their in their time in Israel and Judah. And 22:53  unlike you in 2020, the flip switched for me, we're in a war. We've been in a war for quite a long time. But now the war is so tangible, and so demonic, demonic and the censorship, and all the things that get all of that is demonically political. Have you seen the movie The document in 2000 meals yet? 23:16  No, I haven't seen it. Oh, yeah. You 23:19  want to you want another red pill type? Look up 2000 mules that Dinesh D'Souza 23:25  Yeah, I've heard of him on the Alex Jones Show. 23:29  In the documentary they do their with voter fraud, ballot harvesting. I mean, they got them red handed. I mean, they got video they got everything. And I mean, we all kind of got a feel that it was rigged. But now we're showing coming out with the proof truth feel like God's pushing me to ask a question. Where's the church? The individual like you and me and one or two other people you know when two people come together there's the church you know, we are the body of Christ. But in the in the bigger picture you know, the the coming together on Sundays walk sees warfare that is happening in the world and in America. We're not addressing that. It's incredible, how we're just ignoring it. And we're just sticking with the basics of 24:19  is it's a complete blanket of lies. And the more they tell the lies, the less people that are not as you won't say red pill, don't don't understand. They don't listen, they're actually getting differ. And the lies are getting louder and more blatant. And I mean, I see that I mean, the Church of England over here and my wife is still a member of the Church of England. I don't go because people possibly might not agree with me here but they've now got an in the whole parish area around here. They're all led by ladies. And they are lady Vickers, you know, as we call them, because over here Lady ministers, I believe in 25:04  how does that exactly work for? I don't want to say, being the Church of England, is it one big church basically, or attempt, give me a little history on that 25:13  underseen is the the queen is the head of the church, as it were, to the state church. She's this sort of, as I call her, you know, the head of the church. But it's the Archbishop of Canterbury, who is the head of the actual he's the, what we call the primate. And he is extremely woke, and extremely globalist. And he's a big friend of Klaus Schwab. And all these friends in the World Economic Forum. And it trickles down the the the movement towards getting women in the priesthood and all that's been running a long time, it runs alongside the LGBT, whatever how many letters you want to add to that movement. And that, of course, has now taken the Church of England over there are many there are some Church of England, separate churches that are on the fringe, we have one here in the town that is kind of on the fringe, they haven't gone that way. And they've said that they weren't weren't prepared to. And you know, like marrying men and marrying women together and that kind of thing. But the I mean, when the COVID started the local church here, I mean, they, they they didn't they actually obeyed the rules, twice as much as what the government even required them to do. And you know, you go in there today, they're still wearing masks, and my wife experiences a situation where a lady will, she'll walk up to a particular lady who was a friend of hers, and she'll say, Keep your distance, keep your distance. There is this fear, that's endemic fear that's got into them now. And of course, they're older. Some of them are older people. And it's very sad, and it's angry, really, to see that 26:54  talk, talk about the fear, because I think that's, if I look back on 2020, that is probably the the weapon that, that Satan has used the most to destroy lives just to separate churches, separate people is fear. I mean, it's definitely a spiritual demonic attack on everybody. 27:19  Yeah, it is, I can't, myself understand it. I mean, it's, it's I worked in the hospital. Obvious, obviously, you're aware of, if there's something going on in there, you're aware that you can, you can catch it. But at the same time, there's fear. And there's fear, you know, there's a respectful kind of recognition of something when when it's not, you know, when you could possibly catch it. But this is something that really challenges the faith, as far as I'm concerned. And the fear is so intense on many of these Christians in these churches that it's bigger than I say is more, it's more fear that for the virus than it is the fear of God. And it's the government, you see, as put this out this propaganda message, might you must protect your family. I mean, we there's a church we go into quite often he is down by the sea. And there's always open, if you want to go in for prayer. And as you go in on the door is a picture of an emoticon with a mask on. And it says Love your neighbor, wear a mask. So it's conditioning, you see, I'm not loving my neighbor. If I don't do that, and people get conditioned, and in a way that what it's highlighted for me is that if people can fear something like this, that is basically for 90% of people. It's a low grade experience. I mean, they manipulated the figures, incredibly over here. They said initially, it was 150,000 deaths. It's turned out that it's officially about 20,000. That's really, with the actual COVID. Yeah, and because initially, they said it's 150,000 with it. And of course, there's a difference or think of it and with and I understood that quite early in the thing. We have a wonderful news, internet news service here, which I'll give a plug to is called the UK column. So if any of your viewers are interested in what is going on in the UK, or if they have friends and relatives, it's a new service. And I think two or three of them are Christians. One is x GCHQ, which is this other British Secret Service. And he's a Christian, he broadcasts from Holland. And they really give you a lot of the facts behind the facts. And of course, all these they were tracking the adverse reactions to the vaccine. And what we have what's known you have the various system we are what's known as the yellow card system. And we have officially something like 2000 deaths recorded on the yellow card system, which they say is possibly only 10% of the actual deaths. And they they really do give a plug in there the only news service, we have GB news, which is a new channel, which kind of as a halfway house, people think of it, there's a bit of controlled opposition. You kind of have the right kind of puppets on there to give you a little bit of a flavor of yes, we are a little bit red pills, but they haven't swallowed the whole thing. 30:20  Yeah. Sounds like Fox Fox News. 30:23  Yes. I mean, I was watching Fox the other night, I did a little bit of a rant on one of my videos about Piers Morgan. And if you know Piers Morgan, yeah, thank goodness gracious. Yeah. I mean, that man, he was pushing a vaccine over here. Like it was like he had shares in the thing. And, you know, he was talking the other day about the queen. And I did have a respect for the queen, I have to say, until she went on a Zoom meeting, and said that people mustn't be selfish, and then just take the job. And that's the only time she's opened her mouth and 70 years to actually give an opinion about anything. Wow. I'm not impressed. And of course, as I've met her son, Prince Charles and his wife, I used to be part of a crisis helpline service. And one day the he he and his wife came to visit the visit the service called Samaritans. And I thought, You know what it is when you shake someone's hand, and it's a little bit? Yeah. That's Prince Charles, is it? Right? He looks very well. well fed. And well, well, gende up, you know, but I wasn't impressed. Not 31:36  a firm handshake. Ah, he's, he's, 31:38  he's a big shaker remover with Klaus Schwab. 31:41  You know, I mean, we're Christians that are starting to wake up, where are they supposed to go? If there's not a lot of places that really, 31:49  Jesus said, Where two or three are gathered together in my name there? Am I in the midst of you, and we have to start looking at what is the true church? There has to be? I think there's a coming divorce really, with the institution? Yes, you may belong to one of these large churches that all the time has been fantastic, emanating the gifts of the Spirit, preaching the gospel. And then all of a sudden, this, this whole new thing has now come in this globalist aware thing has come in and people are changing. This is what I'm hearing all the time people have, mindsets are changing. And I think the important thing is to seek out people who you can relate to, I mean, there, I lead a small house church. So that's really what I'm doing at the moment, we're only about a dozen people. And there are still people in it that belong to the mainstream churches. But they are the one or two people that have recently joined and found that they haven't been able to relate very easily to the people in their church. And particularly ladies was the only lady in the church wasn't prepared to wear a mask. And they would like to sit here at the back of the church, if she was a leper or something. And then for a friend, one of the brothers is of whose mind, who's my musician, he invited her along. And so it's like the one that adds to the one that adds to the one, as the Lord leads you to speak to one or two people in the church you go to, it may lead you to form a group. And then it's a case of the more the church goes apostate, the more we have to look to what Revelation says, come out of my people. 33:36  So the argument that I can, in my mind, I'm hearing is that, you know, they talk about well, there's a great, there'll be a great falling away. That's right. And I can see well, Where were those people will point to you and say, Well, you're the ones fallen away. And I mean, like that that's a tough pill to swallow. Because I've already experienced that, you know, you're the one falling away, is the church hasn't changed. You've changed your turn, right, I've changed. And the problem I have is it's church didn't change with me because they're not as 34:13  minority. It's the seminar. Yeah. I mean, it's the, as Jesus said, The road is narrow, not many will find it. And if we know that, what the truth is, and even if we're standing with just one or two people, then that is the courage that the Lord has to give us to move to step out and say, Look, you know, show people from the scriptures, what's happening, show them, you know, you can challenge them, that look, these are the current events that are going on, related to Revelation 13 You know, the rest of Revelation where we're going to see some people are jumping the gun a little bit would say this that we have to be careful. And a lot of people that say to me on my comments on the video, oh, you must recognize the jab is the mark of the beast. So look steady on. This is a pyramid. This is this is a growing pyramid of experience, the new things are coming in constantly new technologies, new merge things. biotech, nanotech was kind of stuck. And it's emerging, sort of bit by bit, you know, the Antichrist isn't going to announce himself on TV one day and say, Hello, I'm the Antichrist, you know, I'm gonna be sitting in the temple fairly soon. I don't think that's gonna happen. I think it's a slow process, and the Lord will give discernment to those who are awake. And we're starting to see what John said many antichrist and there are going to be more and more of these people, these runner ups, the harare's these are these are runner ups runners up to the Antichrist, because the Antichrist has to be a political figure, as well, as you know, he has to have strategy. And, I mean, it's possible that the one of the men that we've seen now is the one we don't know yet. We focus so much on the Antichrist. And of course, he also has the False Prophet. And of course, this Satan of the satanic trinity. And 36:22  how do we answer? Because I get this question, you know, I get this comment a lot, you know, well, we all know how it's gonna end. So we don't need to really worry about what's going on. Or, you know, don't pick a fight, because you already you've already won the war. And I'm like, well, it's some, you know, we're the salt and light. So if we don't stand up, which we haven't, and that's why we have all the debased stuff going on in our school systems because Christians haven't stood up. 36:51  No, I mean, tell it to the people in China, who are locked up in their apartment blocks. And, you know, they can't they jumping out of their apartment blocks commit suicide, because they can't stand the lockdowns anymore. The people that have already committed suicide, people who was his son, some of what's going on in the world, we had it on the news the other day, it's now nine 10%, inflation, it's probably double that really. And things are running away. I would say to people look, the train's coming. Look at the inflation rate. Look at look at the state of the of the economics, look at all these things that are happening. Look at the kind of people that we've got in leadership. You know, I mean, as far as I'm concerned, it only takes it must take a fool to believe that Joe Biden got 80 million legitimate votes. 37:40  Well, there's a lot of fools in in, in charge right now. I want to show you I want to show you this chart, because he talked about inflation. And sorry, for those listening on the podcast. Go to my YouTube channel, and you can see what I'm talking about. But check out this. Did you see this chart? Yes. This is the M, the M one money supply? And look at in 2020. We went from willians of dollars in printed money. Yeah. Around four to look at that. In one, one. Less than one year. 38:22  Yeah, that is incredible. We have straight line up. 38:26  Great lineup. And you wonder why and they're blaming it. I mean, this is the biggest lie is that every time you talk, you hear somebody interviewed in the administration? Well, it's because of Putin. You know, it's because of supply and demand. No, it's because you've been printing money like a drunken sailor. Yeah, the prices of real estate in my my area. have just gone sky and young people, there's no way that the average home is $400,000. And about three years ago, it was probably half that. And how are these kids, these young people or anybody about matter? How any of these people gonna be able to afford a house. And here's the funny news. 39:14  I don't want you to afford a house. 39:17  Because while Schwab has already told us that has any 39:21  This is the game, isn't it? The globalist systems is one way. But you see these even these men are puppets. This is satanic. You see, this is they've been moving this office for SWAT for decades, goes back centuries, doesn't it? This this plan, it moves us people die and as new people come in, this is how the enemy is working his way up 39:43  to as you said, the church has been asleep through it all. 39:47  Yeah, I was watching something of video the other day. I think it was Australia where they created this new housing area of what rental apartments and people are saying how wonderful it is to Rent, don't have the city of having my own property. And these are wealthy people that are prepared to rent properties. 40:10  In it in history when when civilizations or nations fall that the rich begin to gather up the land, and take the land and own land. And we're seeing a lot of that happening now is that the rich are buying up land, Bill Gates owns the largest amount of farmland in America, Bezos owns the bunch of it. So if you start looking at all these billionaires, they're putting their money in the land, and who's going to own the land? And who's going to rent, you know, and I'm thinking about my grandchildren. If we have any, you know, if we make it that far, there's an urgency to our culture right now. That I'm not seeing in the church. And that's, that's the biggest thing that bothers me is we're not seeing it in the voice of the church, in the leadership of the church. And I know people get tired to hear me rail about the church been, we're the only ones that can solve the spiritual problem. No, I can. But I mean, we're the vessel that is to address this, 41:26  making them aware of what's actually happening. The sight of people that are you aware of what's happening with the farmers, I'm hearing things like we're getting paid to destroy crops? And what, what do they want to replace it with, obviously, with genetically modified food. It's just seems unbelievable that farmers aren't prepared to do that. 41:49  It's like David and Goliath. You know, that giant is so huge, and you've got the world land up against this giant, and we're all just standing there, I'm just gonna live my life, I'm not gonna worry about it, I'm just gonna do my thing. And it can all go to heck in a handbasket. 42:09  That thing is going to come to an end that don't realize that that as inflation grows, and as the situation tightens, that when it's only possibly when people feel the circumstances, right, starting to affect their lives, that they can't do what they did before. And the restrictions come in different forms, you know, maybe climate lock downs or something like that. And that people then will start to see because they they will expose themselves, and they're doing that, then, I think as that happens, and they start to get affected, and they see that it will affect their children. And I think with the education thing, I think it needs to be highlighted more and more. 42:51  The default Epoch Times. 42:54  You know, I've received emails from them, but I haven't spent a lot of time looking at 42:59  them. Yeah, that is my news source. I'm telling you, they do some excellent news. And they really focus on Channel law. And then they just did I just saw a a piece yesterday. You talked about siege warfare. It's it's there is a concerted planned effort by China to attack America on all fronts. I mean, you're in they listed there's like 37 fronts that they're attacking assault technology. I can't remember that. But if anything in culture, you can think about being attacked. They've got a plan to attack, because they want to be the number one dominant country in the world. And they first have to take down America. And they go into great detail about how they're doing this. You know, the great the silk, China's Silk Road. Have you ever heard that one? Yeah. Yeah. Where they're buying up ports all around the world. And they tried bombed the LA port in Los Angeles. And luckily, we kicked them out of that one. Yeah. So if we just pay attention to China, we will know what's coming our way because our president has his connections. They're so 44:13  cool. She has these Ukrainian connections as well. 44:17  So I guess we're gonna be wrapping up here, but how do we proceed? I know for one thing yell go to the of our time is, for our time messages for our time. YouTube channel, the steward is it's a really refreshing view. You know, I love the accent that always helps. You know, if I'm listening to my Bible app, I gotta get an English guy to, you know, to read it for me. You always go back to the Bible, you're always bringing in verses you're bringing in. You're bringing in the Word of God into your messages, and that's very refreshing. It's very helpful to it's encouraging. 44:52  Good things come out of lockdowns See, hadn't been for the lockdown. We wouldn't have been able to start our house church and and And then the channel wouldn't have happened really? 45:02  Are we in a time of judgment? Do you feel like they were actually in a time of judgment? 45:10  Yes, I think that Well, I certainly think the leaders that we've got we system, nations deserve the leaders they get. And I mean, Trump did a lot of good. Unfortunately, he was, I feel he was ignorant to a lot of stuff in his promotion of a vaccine and not getting rid of certain people. And I think that, yeah, I just think that we have to be aware that there will be all kinds of voices in these days, leading us into all sorts of directions. And I think possibly, people put their trust in man, a little bit too much. But yeah, we get the leaders we deserve. And I think there is a judgement. I mean, I come across YouTube channels of people prophesying all kinds of destruction for the Western world. Of course, you don't want to really receive it. And so you know, and yet there are people speaking with authoritative voice, of real judgment of real destruction of third world war. We can only go one day at a time, really. And I think in the end, it comes down to when the Ark door is closing. Are we on the inside? And how many people can we help inside? Before it does close? And there'll be a remnant saved and says it will be with Israel will be a remnant saved? 46:39  Because we are in a days of no army? Yeah, 46:43  well, this is, as it were, in the days of Noah. And, you know, we just have to get more and more awareness, more and more discipline, because truth and lies will get closer together. You know, there'll be weaving winter weaving all the time, and we have to be able to discern the difference. 47:05  One thing I one thing I experienced, was, as I was kind of on this continued journey of figuring out, you know, is it a break away from the church? Is it? Am I wrong and thinking the way I do because of what happened in 2020. And then you can run across voices, like you said, there's certain voices out there that just tend to bash people that you see a lot. And and so I imagine, you know, if you're a new Christian, that's coming into this, and you're seeing this dividing line, the split between people within the congregation, just the back and forth of, you know, like me saying that, that we need to be what we won't need wake up. Well, then another guy saying, What do you mean, wake up, I just woke up. But now you're in the system of the organized, happy go lucky church. And you're just partially woke up? I guess, you know, thank goodness, you found Jesus. But there's, when you get into this this, like, oh, my gosh, how can anybody rely or feel like Jesus is going to solve the problem when the church is all messed up? Does that make sense? I mean, yeah, I think has to go back to an individual relationship. 48:24  Yeah, it is. It's that and even men that you may have trusted, or women you may have trusted over many years that, as it says, as we said earlier, and Thessalonians is a great falling away, and many will turn away from from sound doctrine and follow doctrines of devils. And it's happening to churches as well. I mean, Hillsong Church, we've seen what's happened to that with our pastors. So the downfall of these vast organizations. So I think that's, yeah, we just have to be clearly aware of what's happening. And it starts with, with with us, our individual walk, and then people will be attracted to the truth if they see the truth. 49:12  Because we are, we're in a war. We're in a heavy spiritual war. And we need to have the mindset of that warrior. And, and I think you're one of the generals out there on YouTube, that's, that's helping lead the charge. And just want to thank you and bless you for just what you do every day, you know, just given the word given your perspective and your understanding. And so I guess we'll wrap it up here, but still, it's been a pleasure. We could talk all day I'm sure. 49:48  We're having man. Appreciate it. 49:51  Thank you. Go check out his his site, and I think you've got your email on there if they want to reach out to you You can put it in show notes if you want as well, candy. Okay. Bless you, sir. Thank you. Thank Transcribed by https://otter.ai 

Gary Duncan  0:30  Welcome to remnant revolution. I'm your host Gary Duncan, and man, I've got an awesome guest today, Cheryl Chumley. She is an author and online opinion editor for The Washington Times where she serves as a commentary writer, and the host of bold and blunt, twice weekly podcast. Cheryl has made hundreds of appearances on TV and radio, including Fox News, C span, CBN, and Newsmax TV. She is an author of four books, including socialist don't sleep, Christians must rise where America will fail. She is a US Army veteran, thank you so much for your service, and a licensed private investigator. She's a true Christian and a bold leader in our culture. She has a new book out called lock down the socialist plan to take away your freedoms. We'll talk a little bit about that today as well. Buckle your seatbelts, get ready for a great show. And don't forget to share and like write us on iTunes, and all platforms. Please share this podcast with others to get the word out about what we need to be doing as Christians to come against the evil this perpetrating this country. We must stand Christian values and not allow the devil and his minions to be the leaders of the narrative that we are to live by. Let's take a listen to the conversation. Alright, I'm here with Cheryl Chumley. And thank you, Cheryl, for being on the podcast today. Unknown Speaker  1:51  Thank you so much for having me. It's great to be with you. Gary Duncan  1:55  I have been I guess I've changed out last couple of days on your podcast. You've got a podcast called Bold and blonde as I talked about in the your bio. And your most recent one just you just put out I think yesterday or today where you interviewed Jack Hibbs. Oh, wow. I mean, that was that is so on par. I mean, it's like on target for where we're at right now. And, you know, you've also got a book coming out that's come out, it's called lockdown the socialist plan to take away your, our freedoms or your freedom. And so let's talk about both of those today. And really, from a standpoint of where is the church, because I'm telling you 2020 changed my world. It rocked my world about you know, where the church is at, you know, the body of Christ, but mainly the leaders in our body of Christ and how they just totally missed it. And the Prophet to me, the prophets missed it. They were so focused on Trump, they missed what was coming. And so here we are two years later from all that, and kind of get into a little bit of of, you know, what you talked about with Jack, but then we can talk more about the book and how the lock downs that we went through, really play a part in what's coming, because I want to know what's coming. Unknown Speaker  3:16  Well, to answer to answer the topic of discussion with Pastor Hibbs, he's a repeat guests. This is the second maybe even No, it's the third time I had him on. And this time we talked about his most recent book, countdown and prophecy, looking at where America stands. And most Bible scholars will tell you that America is not mentioned in times. And so what does that mean? So so we had a discussion along those lines and to get to your point about the churches and where the churches stand in America. Now. I gotta tell you that I spent over two years at the Washington Times covering almost exclusively Well, at least every day I had a piece on the government's overreach with the Coronavirus. The government's exploit exploiting of Americans fears to justify shutdowns and clamp downs on liberties due to the Coronavirus and none of that shocked me. None of what the government did shocked me right, except when the churches were targeted, and not that the churches were targeted. But when the churches actually bowed down to government mandates, because you have to remember, all these losses of liberty came by way of dictates issued, but under health emergency declarations, nothing was done by legislative, duly elected officials. Nothing was done transparent and open. The regular legislative route. No laws were passed justifying what the government did. And so when churches bent the knee and actually shut their doors based on government dictates I was astonished because In a country that is built on the principle of rights coming from God, and government, government only being there to protect those rights, you have to have a thriving church community. And when the churches shut their doors at the times when most Americans needed the churches to when the churches did that, that just showed me. Wow, the left has really taken a hold of America. Gary Duncan  5:23  Now, did you on the was it 14 days to curb or seven days to curve? You know, Unknown Speaker  5:30  were you weeks, two weeks to flatten the curve? Gary Duncan  5:33  Were you okay with that? Or was that like, well, let's just kind of find out where we're at with what's going on, or did you automatically know from day one, this is a rouge? Unknown Speaker  5:44  Yeah, I, I honestly, I wasn't on board with the two weeks to flatten the curve. I really wasn't. And I say that even knowing that that came under Donald Trump's presidency and I am a big fan of Donald Trump love what he did for America. Hope he runs again and wins again. But at the same time, he it was under his presidency, that Anthony Fauci, Deborah Birx, were allowed to take over the White House platform and basically issue policy all the while claiming they weren't issuing policy. So I did not. I did not like the two week shutdown that came under President Trump. At the same time. I think President Trump everything he did under the Coronavirus was done out of love for America and concern for American citizens. Unlike when the Democrats ran with the Coronavirus to justify clamp downs, everything they did was done out of self interest out of political ambition. Gary Duncan  6:49  Why one? Do you think that the churches or the leadership did not kind of see through what was going on, especially when, like you saying I'm thinking in the book is, is they allowed mass protests, they kept the abortion clinics open. They you know, Home Depot and Lowe's were were wide open while little mom and pops were shut down. Just I mean, it was all around us. I mean, I was seeing this stuff. And I had some guys down the road that have a little small store. And they were complaining that, you know, the small nurseries couldn't opened up. So everybody went to Home Depot and Lowe's and got their plant. I mean, because it was like planting season it was in April, and everybody's putting out their tomato plants and everything. And these guys are like this is so wrong. It's so wrong that, you know, the big stores could stay open, and the small mom and pops were being destroyed. But the judges were just totally ignorant to the whole thing. Unknown Speaker  7:47  Well, it was a power grab pure and simple. And we know this is true, because if the science were there, there wouldn't have been that many hypocrisy ease and there wouldn't have been that many disparities in how the science was applied. So it became this political weapon in the hands of the Democrats, they for the most part, they could choose which businesses they could keep open in which businesses they wanted to shut. And usually you had things like churches being told they had to close because entertainment venues had to close. And yet marijuana dispensaries and liquor stores could stay open. And that's exactly what Governor Gavin Newsom did in California, until the point where he lost in court and they had to allow churches to open then he turned around and trying dit and tried to dictate that, yes, churches could be open, but you couldn't sing in church. So this was a strategic design of the left to exercise their power and control. And some in the left, some of the Democrat Party did it just because they were born along with that same fear. And they they actually thought that they were doing what the science was telling them to do. And they saw nothing wrong in science that kept flipping day by day. Right? They were they were ignorant, to put it bluntly, but many of the Democrats were just politically ambitious. And they were looking down the road, that if they did not play along with what the bureaucrats in Washington, DC were telling them to do, that their political futures would come to an end. Gary Duncan  9:27  Right. And a lot of what you're saying is political. And here's here's the rub for me is that I've gotten pushback so many times, from people around me that well, and from the pulpit, you know, we're just not political. We're not gonna get into that, you know, church is not about that. And it's like, we're where we're at, because we have not been a part of the culture and we have not been in government. And and it's like, I don't, I don't know how we can get the leadership of the church to understand where we're at. I mean, we've been through a lot knocked down. I mean, you would think at that point through 2020, that a lot of them would wake up, but unfortunately, I feel like a lot of them are still asleep. What we're gonna do? Unknown Speaker  10:13  Well, I think I think God's got that under his control, you know, he's winnowing out those churches that are weak. And you know, we I had this discussion with Pastor Jack just a couple days ago on my podcast about how his church is actually thriving, because so many churches out in California shut down cave to government demands. And then even when they opened, they wanted to do social justice type things. They had signs out front, he told me about Black Lives Matter and other social justice agenda programs at the far left. And so those churches, according to him are struggling now to stay financially afloat. And yet his church has grown under this this two plus years coming out of it of Coronavirus, clampdowns because people are starving for the truth. They've been confused. They've been deceived for way too long now by the government by those that are supposed to protect them, including our medical bureaucrats. And so they're looking for a higher truth. And I think when you see these churches around the nation, that bow down to government and that now want to come out of the two years of clamp downs from the Coronavirus and pretend like, oh, they never bowed down or pretend that they need to take a softer stance when it comes to politics that that is their takeaway from the last couple of years. I think God is doing a, you know, a little winnowing of churches. And he's he's separating, you know, the churches that will stand strong for him versus the churches that are more concerned with the things of the secular world, meaning man's opinion. Gary Duncan  11:57  Yeah, and keeping the pulpits full. Yeah. There's a church here in town or in Mount Juliet, NEERA. Sigrid, the pastor Greg Locke, he's, he's, I don't you've probably seen him or heard about him through Fox News. And some of the things he gets, he gets pretty fiery. He's a church of God guy. But I mean, you people are like, Oh, you're so political. But he doesn't back down from any of this. And his churches exploded. He started out with a tent. It's, you know, small tent out of the building, because they were filling it up. And now they've got this huge, just like a football field. It's huge. It's like, I think four or 5000 people a week come in to his arm into his church, and so they're hungry for the truth. And not just some, I love how Pastor he was saying on there about just sermon ads. You know, the days of sermon ads is over. It's time for the hardcore truth. Unknown Speaker  12:54  Yeah. Oh, go ahead. You know, that doesn't surprise me what you say about the thundering from the pulpit. And that's, that's showing as attractive to people and it's drawing them to the church. Because if you draw a parallel with the political world, it sort of is the same reason why Donald Trump was able to gain so much steam in the political world. Because in both the church world now, and the political world when Donald Trump was running, Americans with traditional values, just wanted somebody to fight for those traditional values. They wanted somebody to fight for them. Through Trump, conservatives wanted people who will go to Capitol Hill and just fight whether it's against Democrats or Republicans fight for America first and in church, right? True believers want a pastor, they want a a church leader, who will fight for the truth and thunder from the pulpit. So it's not surprising to me that strength is actually being rewarded with greater following. Gary Duncan  14:03  Yeah, and that's so that's exactly where I'm at is, is I need to see from the pulpit a fiery, you know, hail and fire and brimstone which I have not heard and 30 something years if even that, that we're not talking about it's the loving Jesus in the in the you know, turn the other cheek, Jesus, and the Jesus is coming back is not going to come back in a happy mood. Unknown Speaker  14:32  Pastor Jack just said God's not happy. Because he's not right. No, I mean, he can't Gary Duncan  14:38  be with with what's 2632 babies are aborted every day. And the lunacy of these congressmen to get up there and pontificate about gun control and all this while seconds go by every 32 seconds have babies aborted. And while this one man from New York was was a railing on the Republicans, six babies were aborted during his two minute speech, and I'm like, Dude, you're signing the documents that kills babies, and you have no problem with that. But you're gonna have a problem with some nut job that's possessed by the devil, or other entities that goes and kills children, if one death is bad enough. But when you create a law that kills them, you know, I just have problems with that. Unknown Speaker  15:29  And let's not forget the destruction of innocence that takes place in this nation, above and beyond abortion, of course, but the LGBTQ movement, that the agenda from the far left to sexualize our young children, and at the same time, tear down traditional family values, and embrace the idea of fatherless homes, which, you know, has led to so many of these issues that we're seeing, as a matter of fact, by way of school shootings, most of these shooters come from broken homes without a father present. So this is, this is the left's reason, the result of leftist policies. And the left certainly won't acknowledge that. And, you know, in the end, it's going to be incumbent on those who know better, which is the Christian community in America, we, after all, do understand what it means to have a right coming from God, not government, it's going to be incumbent on the Christian community to get louder in the political world, in the secular world, which is going to be very uncomfortable for some Christians who aren't used to that. Gary Duncan  16:40  Yeah, I totally agree. And the pushback I'm getting on just that comment is that we're we're, and I guess that's where the the wheat and the chaff are getting separated, is that, you know, it's about saving the last and, and making disciples and doing the loving thing that we're supposed to do as Christians. So how do you do love while you're standing in the face of pure evil, and trying to spread that gospel? Unknown Speaker  17:08  Well, I mean, what did Jesus do when the money changers were in his temple? Right? I mean, he didn't say, oh, cool, Oh, could you please leave or, you know, somebody called the government so they can be, you know, asked to leave. I mean, He overturned their tables, and he got very upset. So I think we need to remember there's a thing called righteous anger. And, and there are many, many stories in the Bible, where followers of God, right believers in God exercised righteous anger, and they weren't persecuted by God for but rather they were elevated. So you know, make a decision, draw a line in the sand as a Christian and decide now, where do you want this country to be in five years? 10 years? 50 years for your kids sake? Do you want to just pretend like you're doing a good thing by going to church every Sunday and then ignoring the rest of the world? Or do you want to get your hands dirty and fight? And I think it's time everybody gets their hands dirty and fight? Gary Duncan  18:06  Yes. Amen. On that one. All right. So we got locked down the socialist plan to take away your freedoms. So what what's coming? I mean, what are we seeing? Talk a little bit about what what you got the research you did in the book and all that. Unknown Speaker  18:21  Yeah, well, you've heard the term the great reset, right? Well, this is a very real, non conspiratorial term that if you go to the World Economic Forum's own website, WWE forum.org. And read Klaus Schwab, who is the founder of the World Economic Forum, read his writings on the great reset. He is very clear that there is no other time like this in history, and he's talking about the Coronavirus where there can be actual global reform a global change. And for America, what he envisions is a redefining of capitalism, from stakeholder capitalism, where businesses are in business to make money and please their their shareholders, I mean, shareholder capitalism to stakeholder capitalism, where businesses are in business to advance social justice agendas. And those business that advance the most social justice agendas, whether it's radical environmentalism or Black Lives Matter and Antifa type agendas. Those businesses will survive and other business regardless of money making potential will fall. So that's a complete upsetting of America's free economy and our capitalistic system, which is a way of crumbling America for more then, and it is no coincidence that this is why you are seeing so many woke corporations out there. These corporations have signed on to the principles of the great reset, and they are rushing to get aboard the social justice bandwagon so that they can be one standing at the end. Gary Duncan  19:58  Right? It's Then what is it the economic score? Or is it the social? I can't remember Unknown Speaker  20:05  ESG environmental social governance scores standards. Yes. Gary Duncan  20:12  And so we're pushing out that way too. Yes. Unknown Speaker  20:15  And you know, in the meanwhile, there are also other Whack a Mole outcomes of these, of the Coronavirus that we need to be aware of and fight, most noticeably contact tracing. There was a bill, there was a bill before Congress a year ago with a very interesting number. It was hr 6666. And, you know, I understand that's an extra six. But it's still interesting, because the contact tracing bill that was introduced by Congressman Bobby Rush of Chicago, who has a whole Marxist background and Black Panther affiliation, by the way, he wanted $100 billion, that's billion with a B, each year to contact trace everybody in America. And what that means is basically on your smartphone on your cell phone that you carry around, you would have to download an app. And it would ping whenever you came into contact with somebody who had tested positive for the Coronavirus. And then you were supposed to self quarantine. And then the local government bureaucrats were supposed to come to your door and assist you and I put assist you in air quotes with your self quarantining. And if you didn't agree to self quarantine, there was a line of logic that said, obviously, you're not in the right mindset to take the proper medical care for yourself. So you're a danger to yourself. So then it becomes incumbent on the government to force you to undergo those mandated health treatments that they see fit. So there's contact tracing, it can lead into all kinds of directions. But when you hear contact tracing, you have to think government surveillance and tracking, because that's what's coming down the pike next. Gary Duncan  22:00  And is that a part of the Fourth Industrial Revolution? You heard? Are you familiar with that one? Unknown Speaker  22:06  Yes, I am. It's It's part and parcel of the great reset. But this is something specific in America that was introduced by way of a piece of legislation. And it got so much. Well, I did a piece on at the Washington Times. It was posted on Drudge Report. And then I went viral. And I got so much attention that it never went forward with a final vote. But I think what they're doing is they're piecemealing it now through Congress. So it's something to watch out for. Gary Duncan  22:35  So we really need to be very attentive to every little detail that our our the other elected officials are doing specifically. Unknown Speaker  22:43  Yes, yes. That's a good way to put it. Gary Duncan  22:47  I like what you said and a lot of this show notes I have here for for the book. It says Let no crisis go to waste and old style democratic politicking, the new motto, thanks to Coronavirus, has never let fear go to waste is that one of the main underlying tactics of this lockdown is fear. It's huge. Unknown Speaker  23:12  It is the primary one. And as you know, fear is a tool of Satan, right? So right there. If you're fearful, then I would grab a copy of your Bible and find out why you're fearful. First off, because Christians shouldn't be fearful, you should be bold. And the fact that the government is able to exploit fear just shows it well actually it goes hand in hand with the growing secularization of American society. Gary Duncan  23:42  Yeah, and I like what you're talking about the individual rights come from God, or they don't. And so I want to your other public podcast you were talking about that. I was listening to it today, actually. And it's titled, I think it's titled similar to that is that our you know, our inalienable rights come from God and not from government. And you show the contrast of how the government was taking these away. And the lockdown is one of the biggest ways they did it. How do we protect ourselves from that again, if if we can't, you know, especially like, if all we do is go to church, listen to sermon, go home. And we don't engage in in the culture or at least open our minds a little bit more to what's out there and others that like this program, and your podcasts are bold and blunt, and your book and these kinds of things, pick books up that talk about this if we if we don't pay attention, we're going to be in the same boat in another year when they figure out the next big you know, thing to throw on the country. Unknown Speaker  24:49  Yeah, I mean, look at what the public education system is teaching America's kids. And you know, my I have four kids three went through public school, the last One, she's 50. Now, my husband and I, Yang two when she was in middle school because Barack Obama wanted to put little boys in the girls bathrooms, and she refused to go to the bathroom, she used to come home and rush to the bathroom every day. So we had it. But not everybody is able to do that for their child. And even if you can, even if you are one of these lucky few in America, who can bring your child into a Christian based school or private school or homeschool, right? What about the rest of the kids out there who are steadily learning the propaganda that the government wants them to learn, and they are going to be the nation's next generation of leaders. So you're going to have to live in this country, of believers in socialism and haters of America, and somehow still be the light that Jesus wants you to be? It's going to be very difficult, and it's going to be very dark times. And I just think that it's incumbent on those who love America, to fight for America, if nothing else to honor those who went before and gave the ultimate sacrifice their lives. Gary Duncan  26:05  Yes, yes. And thank you for your service because you're an Army vet, correct? Unknown Speaker  26:09  Yes, I Yes. Thank you. Gary Duncan  26:11  Thank you for that. And so we need to, like the Bible says, my people perish for lack of knowledge. So we need to get knowledge. Pick up a book, get the book locked down a socialist plan to take away your freedom spell Cheryl Chumley. Also check out our podcast bold and blunt podcasts. It's on the edified network. Cheryl, is there any any place else that they can look up? I know you got two books on Amazon because I saw one of them's number one on I think fundamental, Christian category. And then you've got the other What's your book before that one called? Unknown Speaker  26:45  I actually have four books. My my previous one is socialist don't sleep, Christians must rise or America will fall. And then before that was devil in DC, and before that was please state USA, your website. Cheryl chumley.com. Gary Duncan  27:01  Cheryl chumley.com. We appreciate you. I appreciate you very much for taking the time. I know we're running just a little bit late here. But thank you so much for coming on the podcast and much Blessings to you for standing up. You're a true warrior in every sense, and we need more people like you. Unknown Speaker  27:19  Thank you so much, and thank you for all you do. God bless. All Gary Duncan  27:23  right, God bless you. Thank you, Cheryl. Unknown Speaker  27:25  Thanks again for listening to this episode of remnant revolution. If you liked what you heard, please leave a comment and rating in iTunes and Google Play. This helps us get heard by more people. And don't forget to share the podcast with your friends and family. Be sure to visit www dot remnant revolution.org. To join the conversation, access the show notes and keep up to date on important events and programming. To catch all the latest from me. You can follow me on Instagram at remnant revolution. Until next time, armor up, stand up and speak up Transcribed by https://otter.ai 

In todays episode, Rick and I discuss the problem with Fear within the church body, as seen by the actions of the last 2yrs and the approaching evil days.  Why was the spirit of fear so prevalent in the church and why are we not raising up a generation that know how to Bind and Loose as Matthew 16:19 tells us. Bible puts it, “Whatever you bind [forbid, declare to be improper and unlawful] on earth will have [already] been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose [permit, declare lawful] on earth will have [already] been loosed in heaven.”www.ricknorrismusic.nethttps://rumble.com/vofn0t-where-has-christs-authority-gone.html?mref=ijkk3&mc=a98jb-His Books are available at:Restoration Preparing for His Fullness   https://amzn.to/3k1GwvCWhen Heaven Speaks Out Loud   https://amzn.to/3k1pj5vFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/rick.norris.1694 Gary Duncan  0:39  All right. Welcome back to remnant Revolution podcast with your host, Gary Duncan. I'm here again with my friend, good friend, Rick Norris. Rick is an author of a book called restoration, preparing for his fullness, and wanted to get his thoughts on where we are with the church and the world that we're living in, right in this day. And if you're listening to this five years down the road, or whatever, this is 2022 in July, and we're coming off the back end of a pandemic, per se, vaccines and all kinds of stuff going on war and in Ukraine and Russia, and just a lot of stuff in other countries in our country that are happening. And so I wanted to talk to him today, Rick, about fear. Because I know fear has been one of the things that to me, this country has been gripped with, especially the last couple of years. But even the church has been gripped in fear. And so you're, again, your book you wrote this years ago, but it is so pinpoint for where we're at right now. Everything that we're going through has some piece in that book, it seems like, give us your thoughts on that. Rick Norris  1:52  Well, you know, for someone like me, if you ask a question, like, where are we at now? It's just like, it couldn't get scattershot, I'll just try and give a panoramic view. Gary Duncan  2:05  What is your what do you see as fear? Rick Norris  2:07  Yeah, that's what I was gonna give you a pin since you started. Yeah. And you wanted to pinpoint the fear issue. And as we should, that, that's a major, major priority, much more than people realize. And the reason is, it's the only remaining weapon, if you think about it, it's the only remaining weapon that the adversary had. And we get a progress if we allow ourselves to be taught correctly. And we don't cling to the old we don't cling to the old wineskin, of going to a comfortable church and making sure that nobody's confronted with anything, nobody gets their feelings hurt, and sin is not confronted. And a new understandings of the word that are still true to the word are still rejected, because we have our status quo, or the leadership has their status quo, and they're controlling everybody, blah, blah, blah, you know, if we're if we're afraid of, in something new, it's still fear. Right? So the only weapon that Satan and his minions have left is fear. And God uses us uses that fear against us. For us, you know, he uses all the attacks of the enemy, he works at all for good, that's the way he is. That's his thing. That's just, you know, He's God. And, man, there's several chapters devoted to this when you when you think about it, but some of them are direct, some are indirect. But so the progression of our growth or maturity in Christ is supposed to be built on predicated on a revelation of the fact that our enemies are defeated. All of them. He said, Behold, I give you that means us all of us. authority to tread upon serpents and scorpions, and nothing shall by any means harm you. And elsewhere he said, similar things, and that word, all the power of the enemy. Over all what you know, please, whoever's listening, stop and think of that for a minute. You know, don't just brush over scriptures like this. All does not have a synonym in the original language all means all. So we have authority over all the power of the enemy, right? And it's a progressive revelation, sometimes you get a sovereign revelation of it, I had to have that. Because you know, sometimes he'll want you if he wants you to learn to swim, he'll throw you in the pool. If he wants you to learn warfare, he'll throw you in the arena. And that's what he did with me. And I had learned fast. And he was there, of course, you know, early on, boy, was he there. You read the second book, it'll blow your mind. And is Christianity is either supernatural, or it's a fairy tale. Right? So they can really get scary I've had, I know what Paul meant when he said he wrestled with demons. at Ephesus, I know exactly what he meant. And other there are other people who, you know, they might have a bent or an emphasis in their calling where they have to be on the frontlines all the time. Or a great deal of the time. Usually intercessors, mature intercessors will break through and suddenly they're dealing with principality. And I want to come back to I'm headed somewhere with this answer. It's not the scenic route, it's definitely important for us to understand. And so we get this progressive revelation of the fact that we're fighting a defeated foe, but there's so as you progress, and as you get deeper into the Lord, and as the supernatural, you get, you start getting your breakthroughs and the gifts start happening and the miracles start happening and stuff like that you're a bigger threat to the kingdom of darkness, and they're gonna break out the big guns. And the big guns still only have fear. So I've had them show up in the most heinous manifestations you can imagine. Most people, you know, some people have heart attack. Some people just pee their pants, and run seriously. Gary Duncan  7:11  And do but most people actually even see that Rick Norris  7:14  well, they don't press in far enough to be a threat. They're too afraid. That's the point. Right? We we've allowed? Well, okay, I'll give you an example. I was saving this. Because I was Lee, I was headed there, I better cut to the chase. I'll give you an example. Example of where that progressive revelation of how defeated our foes are and how endowed we are. That's the other thing. We're blessed with all spiritual blessings. I mean, you could sit and meditate on that for days. What all spiritual blessings we don't even know that's eternally big. And it's going to take eternity to step into that and understand it. But so here's a picture, if you will, this actually happened to, and I'm sorry, I can't remember if it's Spurgeon or Luther, one of the early preachers that came out of, you know, stepped away from the Vatican and got persecuted. He was in jail for preaching the gospel in a place he wasn't supposed to. And he was asleep facing the wall. and an evil so powerful that, you know, it's you can't hardly describe it, it was glowing evil, you know, emanating evil, and it was so palpable and powerful in the cell. He was in that it woke him up and he rolled over and looked and here was the, again the most heinous manifestation, fangs drooling picture, the scariest, you know, demon face, whatever you could come up with. And he rolled over and he looked at it, Oh, it's you. And he rolled over and went back to sleep. Now, what does it take to get a revelation of the fact that you know when Satan obviously that was Satan himself. And that shows how important that man's destiny was because Satan is not omnipresent. Right? So he singled this guy out of all the people on the planet to try and scare away that but but my point is this. The man again, I think it might have been Luther now I dug on it. I embarrassed it. I can't remember which one is so many church fathers. I've studied out there. And some of them really got some testimony, man you don't hear about Got a bit Whoa. Anyway. So he, he knew that this was this was a scare tactic. And this was the last ditch, last best effort. So it was really he was saying sorry, we're out of candy, they're triggered treat. Sorry, we're out of candy and I don't play. Gary Duncan  10:21  So it's more about identity and understanding your place in your identity. I mean, I think back about, you know, if we lived in King Arthur's day, and we're the son of the king, you know, the prestige and the power that we would yield because of our father. How that how different that would be, or if you were coming to a king, and you're not of the king, but you're coming to him? Because you have treated somebody poorly. And the king didn't like it. Can you imagine the difference? The difference is gonna, it's there. I mean, the think thought about that many times you feel what when we say, King, we can Americans? We can't, we can't really picture that. A monarchy. Yeah, because we're not we didn't grow up in that and all that kind of stuff. But I mean, we see the movies with kings and King Arthur, and all this gladiators and all that. But when you really think about, okay, get down to the nitty gritty of it. There is some power behind the authority of that King. And so if we're the Son of God, and he's our King and our Lord, then it seems that we need to understand how our, the way we act, and then we're how we treat each other and how we walk on this earth should reflect that. But I don't see that at least in myself, I don't know, I'm sure. You just don't see that, in general, from the church from Christians, because we don't really get our identity. If we did, we would walk in that power all the time. Rick Norris  12:13  The real, the Yes. And the real word is authority. The power behind the authority is another issue. And there's another word when it says, you know, be strong in the Lord and the power of his might. That's a different word from power. That's its cause, which means the original Greek as is coos, which means, you know, the full fullness of the might of God, which is, you know, we can't even remotely get our head around that but but that gives you an idea how powerful those words are. And of course, you we've heard sermon after sermon and teaching about, I heard when yesterday about dunamis. You know, the power word dunamis in the original language, which we get dynamite from, but the other word that gets kind of ignored, is Kratos. Kratt, tosses dominion. Now, we are kind of tangent here. But it's not really a tangent because the authority of the believer is the issue. And you're right, if we had a full revelation, of who we are in Christ, and and what was delegated to us, which is his sword. It's his sword, the sword of the of the living God is in our mouth. When we bring, you know, whatever we buy, he says whatsoever things you, that you folks, that's us, you bind right on earth shall be bound in heaven. He said that Jesus said that, he said, What's your things you? That's you that's us, loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. And so yeah, our identity is a big part of that. And nowadays we have, at least well, I would say we have two generations now. that have not been taught spiritual warfare. That's why I wrote the first book, restoration, preparing for his fullness. Now, if you think of the subtitle preparing for his fullness, what think about that, you know, and I know I say this a lot, but you put the fullness of God in somebody and they're not ready for it. Right? They'll short circuit and either puff up and start the first church or what's happening now. obey me, or self destruct with, you know, any number of grandiose projects that God didn't ordain. So, you know, we have to be prepared to walk in that. But even before we get to fullness which we're not even close, I don't think so. But we, if you'll notice, take heart. Because the people that Jesus said that too, I'd send you out, you know, among wolves. And he said, you know, what's everything's you I give you authority, whatever things you bind, our nerves should be bound in heaven. They came back member, they were rejoined. They said, Lord, even the spirits are subject to us now. And he says, Now, don't get hung up on that. Now, was Gary Duncan  15:47  it the 77 777? It went out? Rick Norris  15:52  Yeah. And and they said, uh, we, you know, even though he said, Don't get hung up on that. I mean, we got people all over the country saying, Oh, I have a deliverance ministry. I've started the new big deal, deliverance ministry. Well, no, you don't have a deliverance ministry, you have ministry. And the demons are subject to you don't get hung up on that. And you've made it a big deal. Because when you were young, you cast out a demon or two, he said, these signs shall follow them that believe that can mean a child. If a child has a revelation of the authority, which I've seen him, do it and healing, God will use the foolish things of the world to confound the so called wise, right. But, you know, he said, Don't get hung up on that, because he knew we were going to, you know, start the first deliverance, big deal thingy, you know, we just can't help ourselves, we have to find an identity and be somebody. It's just, that's not what ministry is, Jesus left the throne of the universe, and came down and allowed himself to be humiliated, over and over, and then ultimately humiliated at the cross and mutilated. You know, he was greatest among us serves the rest. So that's all I'm gonna say about, like, for us, we say it's all sorry, but not for us. Because we're, you know, identity is only part of the equation here. And one of the chapters in my book is know your enemy. Right? If you know how your enemy thinks, you know, how your enemy operates, you know, there are subtle without that you don't have any advantage. Gary Duncan  17:48  But some people would say, Well, I don't want to focus on the negative. Rick Norris  17:52  Well, sure, and that's fine. Too much attention on the devil. But what I understand and that I hear that kind of dunghill all the time, right. And the and the fact of the matter is, is that's not what I'm doing what I'm trying to say is all he has is fear. I was going somewhere and that is his arsenal is all about the Boogeyman. And he Yes, he can physically manifest stuff. I a lot of that stuff that you see that have real which not one of those, you know, want to be witches, but a full on real grand witch or Warlock that's been at it, their astral projecting they're levitating. They're doing all kinds of stuff. That's by the power of Satan. And it's real, because he's a counterfeit. Well, yeah, well, no, he was given power. And you know, the gifts and callings that Gods are without Gary Duncan  18:50  repent. Everything he does is like the opposite of what God? Well, yeah, of course. So he's like, I heard it the other day. Somebody was saying these. The devil has his own Trinity. Rick Norris  19:03  Yeah, he mimics everything God does. Gary Duncan  19:05  Yeah. So he's got his own train. He's got the he's got off guy. But it was interesting. I was like, oh, never thought about, hey, mimics everything. It's got his demons. He's got himself as the Grandmaster and as witches and stuff on it. Rick Norris  19:21  So but the point is, it's real and people get, you know? Well, let me let me Gary Duncan  19:29  believe it's real. They just think it's Marvel movies and DC movies. Rick Norris  19:32  Well, they kind of do or some are that far gone. Some are just as far gone. But in a different slant. It's more subtle, and that's where we get into trouble. Let me share an example what I mean by that. I recently was asked the to join a prayer team. That is the elite of the elite intercessors supposed to be in a high place in In the city. And when I say high place, literally, you can see all of the midsection of the state. And, and I got there. And I've always wondered to so many promises over the that region, I was always wondering, why is it still being held back? Right? Well, I get there and I find out, God tells me shows me plainly that the high places still matter, not because they matter to him or matter in the spirit to us, but because they matter to the evil ones. Because there is when Satan fell, I mean, when mankind fell, and when the angels who followed Satan fell, we all inherited Satan's God sized ego. And they especially because they were sons of God, whatever that meant, then are meant meant meant for them. You know, the fallen ones, it's in their genesis, right? That they, you know, they had power before they were worshipped in heaven. To some degree, not like, you know, our God, the Trinity. Father, Son, Holy Spirit, but there was something like that going on even even Satan was it was glorious beyond where he was the covering. He was the glory over and canopy over the throne of God. That's how he got puffed up. I mean, you know, he was in charge. He was a rock star in heaven. He was the big deal. Right? As far as appearance goes, but he was a little creative being you know, he just didn't know that. Or he forgot. But my point is this. I get there. And and I'm doing this kind of like a my first time out with this crew. And it's really, really young people. Unknown Speaker  22:01  Millennials that because you're really really old. Older. Rick Norris  22:08  Yeah, I'm a relic. Yeah, yeah, I'm a relic. So I was there with in the Jesus people days with, you know, the likes of Keith melody Green. And, you know, back in the day with all the Jesus bands, and everybody, and a lot of those folks are friends. And so but anyway, so I'm old. And but that's not the point. The point is, when you're old, you know, stuff. And when I was young, I knew stuff. It's just I couldn't handle that kind of knowledge, they got puffed up and went sideways. God had to bring me back in. That's why I call seminary cemetery, because knowledge really does puff people talk about your rabbit trail. But so the point is, they said, well, we don't do binding and loosing here. Now this is the high places. And when Satan fell to the earth, he didn't eat, they set up in the second heaven. We've shared this. I've shared this many times. This is in both books. But the second heaven is where they set up because they could block this prayers of the saints going forward and prolong the inevitable, which we're coming up on. He's going to be judged, so he knows it. But, and I'll wrap this up, they said we don't do binding and loosing here. This is the one place it should be done. Because when you're praising when you're binding, and you're losing, you're coming against the powers and principalities, and spiritual wickedness in heavenly places. And they said, well, we don't believe you're supposed to be going after the principalities and powers because they're the big deal. And you'll stir things up. It'll, it'll get messy. They literally said that. And my jaw dropped. And I had a person that came with me. And I didn't say anything to that person. And later they called and said, I can't believe it. Well, now I know why the strongholds. Remember. Paul said, we're tearing down the strongholds and everything that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and what certain things you bind on earth and buy down in heaven? Why would he say heaven? What is binding here have to do with binding in heaven? And why did David say when I send the heavens were like brass. Right? There's a lot of little hints and pictures, you spin up time to where you start to put this thing together. And so and they're saying, No, we don't want to stir up any problems. That's like, Okay. The first time one of them came to me before and I did I realized that he was being coached later, but he came in he said, Look, man, we had people coming in here, trying to take over Same with this binding and loosing thing. And we don't want to do any of that because you're stirring stuff up. And even, you know, we don't want we've had enough problems and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So fear he's Yeah. And I said, I said, I said, and he's, you know, 2425 Maybe. And he said, and I said, You know what you call that he was what? I said, Fear. And he stopped. He couldn't say anything, because he's got a good heart harder goal. And he's just kind of looked around, he went, you know, it caught him completely flat footed. And I said, you know, we son, you got to get some skin on. We're in a war. Whether you fight or not, you're gonna get shot right out of the saddle. If you don't stand up and fight. So you're in a war, Satan hates your guts and wants to kill you. And he's saying, well, we don't want to fight back because we don't want them to be angry with it. It's kind of like the woke crowd. Right? Well, don't be islamophobe. Gary Duncan  26:03  Let's still speak truth. Yeah, let's get yelled at. Rick Norris  26:07  Yeah, let's not be an Islamophobe. To the terrorist, because they might get mad. Gary Duncan  26:15  Yeah, well, no. And that's a real fear. I mean, I remember years ago, when they were really the ISIS and everything was going on. And it's like, somebody and I think Europe, England, wrote just did a comic and they firebomb their, their building. And it's like, that's the there's a reason they call it terrorists. But if you think about, you know, how many churches would stand up and speak truth about Islam? I don't think none of them would, because they don't have the backbone to do it. Yeah. Because the fear that Islam has perpetuated within society, and they'll just kill you. Rick Norris  26:58  Yeah. And the fear of rejection of those around them that are so mushy, Gary Duncan  27:03  right, because we're trying to give a good witness. We want to be a good witness for Jesus. And we don't want to project meanness or the truth, which might offend them. Rick Norris  27:13  Yeah. That's all predicated on fear. Gary Duncan  27:17  What do you mean, I can't speak truth. Yeah. No, and that's kind of where we've, we've come out of the last two years is this fear mongering of a of a cold that developed and it turned into something big because nobody wanted to use simple solutions. They wanted to push an agenda. A boy did and now that now we've got vaccines that do the same thing. Yeah. And I mean, I was just that was looking at some people yesterday, I mean, they were two years later, okay. And we've got 20 Somethings still walk around with masks. So I'm like, dude, Rick Norris  27:59  well, and the, you know, the mainstream media I don't know how they have continued to be have any credibility at all. Because it's so blatant what they're doing. They've become an extension of CCP and the who and the NH now national health institution Gary Duncan  28:21  is to be system the whole system are part of that's it. Rick Norris  28:25  Yeah. And there really is a cabal and I like somebody the other day said, I'm gonna have to get some new conspiracy theories because all my other true all the other ones came through. I love that. This that's a whacked our world is this stuff's really happening. Gary Duncan  28:44  And it's all it's all pepper. Dee Dee. It's all Rick Norris  28:50  perpetuated. There Gary Duncan  28:52  you go. It's all perpetuated on fear. Oh, predicate, predicate, predicate all built on fear. Yeah. And, I mean, I'm affected by there's things that I won't say or do because I'm fearful. I haven't broke through that level yet. But my biggest, you know, my biggest issue has been about how the church went through this whole thing. And, you know, it's, it's just over fear. It's fear of turning people away offending people, because we're not wearing masks during the time that all the higher beings are telling us to wear masks and, and, you know, all this kind of the more think about how we didn't, how we shut down and closed up. And there was nobody bold enough with courage to stand up who there was one or two. Yeah, in my city, there was one or two to stand up and just say, No, you know, we're not shutting down. We never shut our doors. We've been through wars and we've never showed doors. But if you want to come to or you can come if you don't want to come to church, you can stay at church, you know, at home, we will have a zoom, but we're gonna have in service no matter what. And that's not a Western thing. That's that's a God ordained thing that we're to gather. Does it is there anywhere in the Bible tells us not to gather out of fear? That we might catch a cold or catch a virus? Or, Rick Norris  30:22  or and Don't? Don't? Don't battle the principalities because they might get upset at you? Yeah, he might Gary Duncan  30:31  just wonder where in the Bible does it tell us to not assemble, to worship Him and to edify the church when the Bible doesn't say for us not to symbol, and that anywhere, anywhere? I mean, if people are listening, and you can find it in the Bible, please. Yeah, it's not there. So. So why would we do it now? Rick Norris  30:56  Why did we do it? Yeah. Well, it's fear. Yeah, that's unambiguous. But Gary Duncan  31:00  I'm showing because I talk about that. I want to I want to get answers. I want to hear reasoning and understanding of why do we do that? And they have yet to hear churches repent because of that. Yeah. We're even having a discussion about Rick Norris  31:14  Yep. Yep. And that's, that's why I have several chapters dedicated to the fear factor. In fact, that's the name of one of the chapters, the fear factor, all right, because that which is not a faith is sin. And faith is the opposite, exact opposite of fear. And vice versa, obviously, so. So we have the here we have coming back to that experience I just had recently with those young folks well, because they were never taught true spiritual warfare, spiritual warfare for them as Oh, Lord, just bless what's his name? And, and what's your name and cause them to, to come to know you more deeply and, and Kumbaya. That, you know, they might sing some praise, which is always good, because, you know, praise inhabits the praises of his people, he isn't thrown on the praises of His people. I recently was walking down, driving down 14th Street, and well, it doesn't matter where I live and cast a demon out of a young man. I mean, one of the most dramatic changes in human being before and after. Gary Duncan  32:39  That's the one where you screaming out the window. Yeah, I love to see that. Rick Norris  32:44  Oh, it was amazing. And the changes what was amazing. I mean, I've seen a great deal of that in my life. Because it's just part of my calling, and it's not all deliverance ministry, it just, you know, whatever, you know, we're also these signs shall follow them that bully in my name, they will cast out demons. All right, people are afraid to step out into this isn't that fear? In my name, Jesus said this, they will cast out demons, right. If you believe that middle cast out demons will speak with new tongues. You know, Gary Duncan  33:21  laying drink, poison will not harm you. Yeah, Rick Norris  33:24  you'll lay hands on the sick, they shall recover, and so on. So, so here's Gary Duncan  33:29  what was that just for the Jews that wasn't for Gentile. Rick Norris  33:33  So, and, and people I literally have people all times that will I just don't believe that? Well, I just tell them say, well, it's not for you. You know, it says it. It's for those who believe those who believe in my name. Those who believe Yeah, and if you don't believe, I'm sorry, you're out of luck. You just don't get them. You know, and they'll turn around, you know, the next week and say, you know, I can't understand why I don't have any miracles in my life. What? You know, but anyway, so that's a little bit of a humorous tangent, Gary Duncan  34:05  for those that believe humorous, but it's just, you know, for those who believe, but fear, I believe it. But I'm gonna, I'm not walking around, casting demons out. And well, Rick Norris  34:21  that's another subject Pete, you can appropriate that kind of power. That's the other thing that nobody's getting taught. And then another reason why I wrote that book. There's, I've had three people come to me on occasions, and say, I've been in the church for 40 years. Right? And I'm repeating this for a reason, because it's so appropriate to what you just said. And they'll say I, you know, I've never even had a prophetic word, a vision, much less a miracle or a healing or cast out a demon. What am I doing wrong? And these are people that you know, really want God and really are seeking God? Or they wouldn't have asked for one thing? I said when's the last time I asked him to rhetorical questions when the last time you spent three hours praying in tongues? All right. And by the way, if you're one of those people that doesn't believe in tongues, go do some homework. It's an idiom, praying in the Spirit is not what the liberal theologians have tried to play it down to be it's an idiom from the first century, it means praying in tongues. And and it says right there in the word, do not despise praying and tongue. So are prophesying, which is another idiom, but we won't go into that. So now Gary Duncan  35:47  our gun at Paul said that Paul was telling us, yeah, you know, he'd rather pray I'd rather prophesy than Rick Norris  35:57  Well, that's yeah, no, that's a different question. Correct? What's the kind of stuff that does quote to you when you say that? And it's a mis representation of the context, you know, you're taking it out of context, the context there that you just mentioned is, hey, if you're going to stand up and give a word in tongues, you better have an interpretation. Or you're out of order, because the idea is to edify the bride. And if if everybody was to get the interpretation, that'd be fine. But I've never seen that happen. I've seen interpretations, many times back, and especially back in the day, but not so much these days. But and that's part of the plan. Some Gary Duncan  36:39  of them say, well, that's not for the church. That was that was just for back then. And now that's Rick Norris  36:43  denominational. Yeah, that's John MacArthur's Gary Duncan  36:45  that way. Rick Norris  36:45  And, well, there's a lot of old school denominations that believe they've had to say that because their theologians that went to cemetery, as I call it, started playing games with the words because they didn't have that in their life. So they had to find a way to justify the fact that that wasn't in their life. It's Christianity, again, is either supernatural, or it's a fairy tale. And if you haven't broken through it to the point where you're starting to get into the miraculous that and be a threat to the darkness, so it manifests, and all and you can deal with that and bind all that. If you haven't had miracles in your life, if you haven't had the gifts manifest in your life wins is coming back to what I was saying. In all three cases, I said when's the last time I came it down, brought it down to one thing, when's the last time you spent one hour praying in tongues? That's all you did. And and, and they said, I've never done that. And I said, try that and get back to me. And shortly thereafter, they had a breakthrough. And into the supernatural was like something happened that they knew was supernatural. And it was for them so that they would do and it was incentive to encourage them to make the time. See, we're not supposed to take the time to do this. We're supposed to make the time to do this. Gary Duncan  38:10  Even Jesus said, you know, about those 70 that came back or, you know, some things only happen because of prayer and fasting and fasting. Yeah, that's a tough one for me. We're gonna have to do a podcast on fasting because I like to eat. Rick Norris  38:27  Okay, err, hands on my ears, la La, la, la, la, la, la, la. Yeah, no, I don't want to talk about that. So I'm kidding. Of course. Yeah. It's, it's tough at my age, and I have, you know, dealing with the effects of carbohydrates at my age. And so, you know, fasting is really, Gary Duncan  38:50  you know, prayer and fasting and praying in tongues as prayer. Yeah. Yeah. So, Rick Norris  38:56  okay, so what are we in? We're talking about spiritual warfare. And how fear negates it. Fear will allow the adversary to come in and kick your butt. All right. So why did why did he say prayer and fasting? Well, it's an actually an act of violence. And, and the Lord said, Remember the word says the kingdom of God suffers violent and violent men take it by force. Gary Duncan  39:30  Yeah, explain that because I always get a little bit confused because I'm thinking the enemy is the violent one and the violent take it by storm but yeah, speak to that a little reason Rick Norris  39:40  you think your brain goes there? Yeah. Is because the what you've been taught and not taught the back of back page of my first book, it addresses that in a basically a rebuke and it's a rebuke mostly to leadership. I know that sounds heavy, but I feel called to rebuke leadership. Because we aren't we have two generations that are anemic. And the devil is handing them their butt and popping the bag and eating their lunch arrive with all those cliches. And the reason is, is there. They didn't teach them the other side of who Jesus is. Jesus is not squeamish about drawing a sword, or drawing blood and we have no concept of that part of him Gary Duncan  40:33  or chocolates, chocolate soldiers. per day. Rick Norris  40:38  Yeah. Well, and so the devil comes in and, and he, he's not like us, he always knows what he's gonna get, like a box of chocolate soldier, and he's gonna eat Yeah. Right. So unless you stand up and fight, you know, and what's funny is about those young people that told me, you know, I, that we don't do binding and loosing because it stirs up trouble. That's an indication that you realize that there's a real supernatural effect in the spirit realm. Hello, right. So wake up to what you're saying. And they'll say, Well, yeah, but you know, we're, what it is, here's an example. I'm gonna have to say, this is gonna go, this is gonna make some folks upset. Well, I'll tell you what, I won't use his name out of love and respect. Because we all make mistakes. He's gone. Now. It was a man that a prophet, you know, some call them the problem is a lot of self proclaimed prophets out there these days. And he wrote a book, and that claimed, and I'm not even gonna use the title of a whale, maybe? Well, the title of the book was needless casualties. Right? And his premise was, well, you don't want to fight against the big boys. You know, don't fight against the, you know, the principalities and stuff, because I mean, they're just too big for us. And he does it in, you know, subtle ways. But that's the premise. And the fact of the matter is, is only one area that I agree with him on that, and that's if you're right out of the box, you're a brand new baby Christian, you don't, you know, you might start to get a revelation of the authority of God and you go out and pick a fight with something that four out of your weight class, you could get in trouble. Now, I've also seen God intervene. In my life, I was a brand new baby Christian and three of my friends took me out in the vehicle in the boonies to have a debate. And, and they were seducing me. I mean, they were actually good. You know, Hey, man, like, you know, they were like, into the new age and drugs and everything. You can Yeah, man. God's cool. You know, you can like have both worlds. And, and, and you can get in and God was showed up defendant and nearly took that vehicle apart. The girls were screaming stuff that's in my second book. I didn't share some of that stuff for 50 years, because I didn't want to end up in a funny farm. You know, miracles of biblical proportion in my life. And it's only because of these revelations, not because I'm all that, not because I'm spiritual and special. Or it's just, you know, in fact, he, Rick rhymes with thick. He had to work me over man. I spent so much time in the wilderness. I got some friends in California that call me the park ranger. So the bottom line is, these kids were saying that we don't want to battle against the principalities and powers because they're too big in them. We don't want to bind and loose because it'll stir stuff up. Well, Paul says, we don't battle against anybody else. That's exactly what we are battling. We battle against powers, principalities, and spiritual wickedness darkness in heavenly places. Well, the question is, what is spiritual wickedness doing and heavenly breezes? And why are we told to tear down the strongholds? And why does it say that the principalities are already defeated? Right. Well, I have people say, Well, where does it say that? Well, it says in Ephesians. Also in Ephesians, it says, Having disarmed Are you listening folk, Having disarmed Prince abou apologies? Look at the wording there, you know, and powers. He made a public spectacle of them. triumphing over them in it. That's Ephesians. All right. So what that depicts is, you know, when a king would conquer another king and back in the day, they would put them in chains and marching through the streets of the town to show their victory. And so that's what that's alluding to, you know, Jesus openly publicly shamed. Satan and his minions defeated them utterly, completely. Hello. Sound like I'm preaching here. And so, so they're saying, we don't want to fight the principalities. And that's the very ones that we're supposed to be fighting. And they're disarmed. Having disarmed principalities and powers. Right? So but they have some power. So they'll show up and, and scary it, you know. And if you if you're like most folks, your hair stands up, get goosebumps all over again, you can't hardly move. Gary Duncan  46:03  The thing that I'm seeing, I mean, I'm not seeing demons flying around and all this kind of stuff. I'm seeing people that are demon eyes, that are attacking us. Rick Norris  46:15  best weapon. That's, Gary Duncan  46:16  that's the thing. We're in a culture right now that I was listening to. Yeah, I was just listening to a Senate hearing. Just a clip of it, where Senator Holly was interviewing some some woman. I'm listening to it. And it's so basically it means if you have any disagreement with my belief that people drank chant transgender people. Rick Norris  47:36  Oh, that Congressman was yes. Oh Gary Duncan  47:39  my gosh, it was like he's like, Ma'am, are you saying that? Are Rick Norris  47:43  you insane? Gary Duncan  47:44  Are you Yeah, it was crazy. And it was like, You have no argument against them. You can't say anything? Or else you'll be labeled as a terrorist a bigot transpose transphobic. Wow, that is such fear that she was propagating to him which he was going to take. Yeah, just a normal person totally exposed. Oh, guy did but but that that's just a subtleness of what Rick Norris  48:09  this defining subtle, it's so stupid. Well, yeah. Insane. She Gary Duncan  48:13  was just a total idiot. Yeah. But she was possessed had to be possessed, because of the ludicrous of what she was saying. Yeah. And so looking at that they're using that ludicrous see, to put fear in people's hearts to just even to a question. Yeah. Did God really make man and woman? Yeah, even the question. And what was interesting, and I'll go off track here for saying, we went and saw the newest Thor movie. And, and I'm sitting there watching this, and this really, you know, demonic looking guy, the bad guy, of course, you know, you got your good guy and your bad guy, your evil eye. And it was all about how the gods really didn't care about the minions. The people. Yeah. And I thought sounds like politics. And so it was really this guy is up and won't tell the story. Because people probably me if you see those movies, fine. But it was saying that God's and so you could just take that and go, the God, Jehovah, Jesus God, the Holy Spirit. You could take that and replace it with what this movie is preaching. Or, you know, fantasizing about is that you can't trust Gods because they won't take care of you. Yeah, they'll let your children die. And they'll let this happen. And he went on a war war page to kill all the gods. And I thought Hollywood, Hollywood likes to mimic what they believe. So is Hollywood, trying to implant in people's minds, of course, that God will not take care of you. God does not like you he lets you perish. And because the God that set this whole thing up in the movie He was was a real jerk, you know? And this guy was worshipping this God all the way to his last breath. And then when he met the guy in heaven wherever that the God just laughed it. So it's like, oh, I can see how Hollywood would do that. Yep. Anything against God so that just that, you know setting up well against God. Yeah. So anyway that mean that's the way I was thinking as I was watching the movie and, you know, improperly reinforcing the reinforcing what they believe Rick Norris  50:32  the fear, the fear the insecurity is Gary Duncan  50:35  but if you're not paying attention to what the enemy is doing, you don't know your enemy, you're not going to realize that they're trying to implant fear into your heart while you're being entertained. And some people say, Well, why do you even waste your time and go to those movies? I asked myself that question a lot. Why don't I entertain myself? Rick Norris  50:56  Yeah, I, I don't I had to get away from television and movies and stuff, because I really enjoy a good one. Now that all of that is coming back to what you were talking about is predictive programming. That's what that's cool. And it's always been there. It started with Fantasia Fantasia was the first real animated Big Deal production. Gary Duncan  51:21  Now you're getting into conspiracies? Rick Norris  51:24  Yeah. Well, I have a new one, like I said, because the other ones all came true. Gary Duncan  51:29  In case six, I'll it early, Rick Norris  51:34  all that stuff happening, man. What anyway, so we got to stay on track. Because what's happening right now is we have two generations that have not been taught that Jesus has a sword in his hand. And when He returns, he returned, it says he will. The Lord comes with fire. And every man's work will be every man work will be tested. Right? This is real. And, and the so you know, read Isaiah 30 You know, the voice of the Lord comes from afar bring in his anger and his Furies and it's like a turret torrent of fire up to the neck. You look at the Hebrew there, it's amazing. And he's bringing his sifting the nations in his seeds of death, see the destruction but isn't that the old guy and but right in the middle of that I want you to bring me back to them. Very important. Right in the middle of the most fire and brimstone you know, scriptures in probably the Bible, but definitely Isaiah, right in the middle of it says but you will have a song as in the night when one goes to the mountain of the Lord for a festival with a flute and joy of heart. And then it goes back and the Lord's gonna burn all of us in your back into this, you know, fire damnation and he's gonna, you know, do all this and that and judge the nations and fury and blah, blah, blah. And then it says an everywhere that the rod of His punishment passes will be to the sound of stringed instruments, and timbrels. So there's your praise and worship element again. He inhabits the praises of His people remember in that one battle in Israel, where they went, they said, you know, send in the Levites singing, you know, singing, His mercy endures forever. Well, I know I'm a veteran, I know a little bit about combat, you don't send singers in against even small arms. Because small arms are moving about 2300 feet per second. And when they go through, I had a buddy that got shot through the hand and he was in shock, of course. And he looked it was daylight right through the middle of his hand. And it was smoking. You know, that's how hot those rounds are. Right? It was smoking. And so you the point is we are we're in a war. I can't really it's so hard for me. It's so frustrating, because I can't make people understand the reality of where we are now. You said something a second ago Gary Duncan  54:43  about Well, that was the old god. Okay. Yeah, this is really what we're talking about Jesus, Rick Norris  54:47  this is really important. And this again, is in the first book and very, very important. Alright, so this is, this is a real Your eye opener and I know we're going long, but it's so important. Alright, so who is the real Jesus? Right? He's a priest and a king. We've been taught till we're blue in the face about the priests because that's comfortable. And love. It's safe. It's safe, and it's loving. And it's comfortable. And it's don't offend anybody that and unless they're in the temple doing making it all about Gary Duncan  55:30  money makes it everybody feel good? Yeah. Rick Norris  55:33  So okay, so they'll say, Well, why do you why do you always teach about this warfare thing? Well, I don't, I most often don't. But now we're at a crisis point, because we have a war, an onslaught of Satan, a defeated enemy that everybody's afraid of. And it's a wave. It's like a tsunami coming out of hell on the earth right now. And Christians are clueless, they don't know they can bind. They can defend themselves, they can defend their families, they can defend their church, they can bind it and render that stuff powerless. They have no clue. And they get a little pain right here and the demon starts whispering in their ear and they buy into like all kinds of diseases and sickness and it's real. This is how we operate. Now it's it says in Scripture, the spiritual rock that led them in the wilderness was Christ. That that hang for a minute, I'll repeat it. The spiritual rock rock of ages remember that song? The spiritual rock that led them in the wilderness? Right? Was Christ. Okay, so here we Gary Duncan  56:56  are Old Testament. Yeah, that's the Old Rick Norris  56:58  Testament. I mean, I mean, the account is in is in Hebrews. But it's saying the word of God the Bible's that that was Christ leading them in the wilderness, or what did he lead them to do? Everything from warfare to genocide. So he's, he's a warrior's warrior. That's why he said, You asked David, hey, what do you do? I kill people. What? Well, I'm a soldier. I mean, just what Gary Duncan  57:33  God Yes. Like, how do they reconcile? Rick Norris  57:35  And, and so I'll lose my train of thought. Gary Duncan  57:40  I'll lose my do. Rick Norris  57:42  We always do this one retired. So, so this, so the spirit, you know, what I'm trying to say is, he's a warrior. And we don't know that side of him at all. Right? So why would he leave? Why would Jesus Jesus meek and mild, right? lead somebody to, you know, nail, an entire culture, you know, do what is the equivalent today of genocide? Well, the reason was, is because those cultures were part of the Nephilim bloodline. We don't know about that. Member. Well, when the spies went in, they said, they're giants in the land. So there's the there's the confirmation, all those cultures were tainted with the blood of the Nephilim were the sons of God went into the daughters of man's son of God means the Fallen One. If you do some real heavy homework, you'll find the word Anunnaki. In the earliest gret early cultures, and that word means the Fallen month. So they when they had sex, they weren't supposed to have sex with women because they weren't of human full human origin. Had I don't know how to put that. Yeah, we don't really understand that they were angels. They were angels, and many ways not entirely. Meaning there had to be some, some other stuff going on there. But I, I don't know how that work. Gary Duncan  59:12  You were there mixing they mixed to namely different species species. Rick Norris  59:17  Yes. So. So here, you have women that are having babies that grew up to be giants, some, you know, the Smithsonian keeps hiding the bones, but the cats out of the bag there too. Now, you know, some are like 15 to 20 feet tall. And we you know, they're they were all over North America and all that and I won't get into all that. But you do enough archeological homework on that issue. And it's overwhelming evidence is just that they keep. They don't want to have anything that would mess with the vindicate the biblical narrative. So they started that early, really early. All of a sudden, all those bones they had just disappeared. All right. That's why they won't let them dig up the mounds, those big mounds in wherever that is Ohio. I think it is. Because they'll just oh, well, that's sacred ground for the American Native. That's not American Native grant. Even the American natives say that's not ours. And, um, but they won't let them go in there. That's a bit of a tangent also. But the point is conspiracy. Yeah. Oh, there's another conspiracy thing, conspiracy alert. And that, and that cats out of the bag, the evidence, is there empirical evidence. So anyway, the reason I share that is because that's why he had those cultures eradicated. Because they were that bloodline was demonic. The bloodline was actually going to was an attempt of the adversary to take the worldwide bloodline, so there wouldn't be a bloodline like marriage. It was preempted. And so anyway, I won't go into that, except that people say, Well, that's an exception to the rule. Well, not really, because if you want to see the Jesus, the same Jesus in the New Testament, you can go to the letters to what was not Smyrna. One of the seven letters like right now, I can't remember which one of the seven letters to the churches is Jesus speaking? You ask people, What is the book of Revelation about, oh, man, it's about like prophesy, and in times and stuff? No, it's a revelation of Jesus Christ. And those other things, he's showing what's going to happen in the process. And there's a lot of breaking it down, well, how it's going to happen. Bring me back to the white horse. And I'll share some of that. And I guess we'll have several pots, again, but it's important stuff. So you want to see that same Jesus, that is the spiritual rock that led them in the wilderness. Look at the seven letters. He says to one of the churches, in one of the letters, he says, I, you know, He commends him a little bit, but then he says, But I have this against you, that you have allowed this Jezebel in your church. And she's a witch, by the way, Jezebel is a witch. And it's a it's a controlling spirit that's rampant in all just about every church. And we're unaware of it. People, you know, it's like, doesn't mean church lady, it usually is, but it can mean just as easily. There's a guy with control issues, it becomes a demonic stronghold, and lot of your really big churches where there's a lot of accountability, function, technically function like a call. Because if you stand up, go, hey, you know, your scripture here wasn't quite lining up with, you know, something in the Word. They'll they'll blacklist you running out of dodge. Right. And I won't go into that. Gary Duncan  1:03:15  Yeah, that's another podcast. Yeah. Rick Norris  1:03:16  But here's the deal. Gary Duncan  1:03:19  Oh, fear? Well, that's Rick Norris  1:03:21  what I'm saying is that we fear that Jesus is a little more monarch than we care for. He scares us. And we worry about him being arbitrary. That's us doing using a big word, anthropomorphizing. We're projecting human attributes on the God. Right. But that's not who he is. He's He's the same yesterday, today and forever. And part of them is the soldier Warren King. We've never been taught because it's uncomfortable. And so here we find Jesus saying, Okay, you have that Jezebel, I'm going to throw her on a bed of sickness. Wait a minute. You know, one minute he's raising them off a Betta sickness next minute, he's throwing them on one. Right? And he says that I will kill her children with death. That's Jesus speaking, folks. Now, the reason you never heard that is because it's uncomfortable. And not a pastor out here wants to jeopardize his budget. And there's a few that are bold. But and truthful, true to the word. Now you say Well, Jesus would never kill children. Well, again, remember what he did when he led them in the wilderness? Well, these children from Jezebel are the Jew direct, demonic and or satanic progeny. They are the children of the devil. She's in the devil's bed. spiritually. She is a Any guy, any guy in the church that she happened to have sex with? Is that progeny? That child is got, technically spiritually 50% Demon bloodline, say, Satan's bloodline, because she's a full blown dedicated, blood sacrificed. In other words, she's like necromancy, and I hate to use that word, but I mean, it's it's a gross as it gets, but she has given herself totally over to Satan and death and is a plant, if you will, she's a spy from hell. So, and there's bunches of that in the churches and nobody's even as a clue, man. But the point is, Jesus is not afraid to do warfare, and he hates fear. And to wrap us up on fear. In Revelation, I believe it's 21 He lists who's going to the lake of fire. Right, and it's the usual suspects. adulterers, idolaters, liar, liars. You know, extortion or pervert. And what's the first hint right in the middle of that? Yeah, right. Even at the front of that is an all cowards and fearful. I wanted that to soak in for a sec. All the cowardly and fearful will be in the lake of fire with that other lineup. Those other characters. Wait a minute, what? So that's how much God hates fear. And the reason he hates fear is it is the exact demonic opposite. It of faith, it's faith in the devil. Gary Duncan  1:07:01  Because he didn't give us a spirit of fear. Right? Yeah. So if we have fear, then he says like, okay, within you didn't get the spirit of the Holy Spirit because you're in fear. Rick Norris  1:07:14  Well, even if you've got it, give you a spirit of Gary Duncan  1:07:17  fear. Yeah. sound mind. Yeah. Rick Norris  1:07:21  And there's been people I've seen a lot of people you know, digress, regress, died, degenerate, whatever you want to call it. So they don't spend a lot of time alone with the Lord. They don't pray in tongues, and their spirit atrophies. And pretty soon they're right back in fear, having already been baptized in Lagos. And some of them even had a revelation of all of this and just atrophied. Let their faith go weak because they weren't pursuing God. So well, let's wrap this up. And if I can, I pray? No, okay. No, pray. Gary Duncan  1:07:55  Leave this in fear. As you can pray. Rick Norris  1:07:58  Lord, you know the bride, you know your people. And, you know, I've been terribly verbose again, because you've rise in me in that wave of holy love that you have for your people comes through and you you're so passionate about your, your bride knowing how to defend yourself and others for what's about to happen on the earth. I asked, Lord, we asked, Are we intercede from our hearts with tears? Or we ask that you please give your bride the the commensurate Revelation the revelation commensurate to stepping into her new battle dress, armor. Please, Lord God, we're gonna get blindsided. You know that that's why we're having this pod. Lord, you're the only one that can wake your bride up to realize what's coming, and how to defend herself and to do whatever it takes a crash course visitation, dreams, visions, and bring your bride to the place where she realizes we have all the armament, we need all the arms. We need to bind and loose and decree and declare and establish that your word and your kingdom on the earth. Please, Lord, help us. Rescue your bride from all this fear and cause us to remember that you did not give us the spirit of fear but of power, love and a sound mind. We ask it in Jesus law, according to your great love and mercy, Lord. Gary Duncan  1:09:57  Well Rick again appreciate enjoy conversations with you. And please, folks share this podcast with others that might be going through some times of fear, trepidation and just struggle. And that hit the like button, do all that kind of stuff to help get the word out. And till next time we appreciate it and God bless Transcribed by https://otter.ai 

https://vaccine-police.com/https://www.facebook.com/christopher.key.35/https://twitter.com/VaccinePolice11https://www.instagram.com/key_christopher/ 11 Undeniable Facts Concerning Vaccination:1. The U.S. Supreme Court rules all vaccines unavoidably unsafe.https://www.aap.org/en-us/documents/immunization_refusaltovaccinate.pdf 2. None of the vaccines on the U.S. CDC-recommended childhood vaccine schedule weretested against an inert saline placebo in clinical trials.The Facts About the FDA's Questionable Practices • Children's Health Defense 3. This HHS lawsuit shows that no safety studies have been conducted on vaccines forthirty-three years.https://www.worldhealth.net/news/rfk-jr-wins-case-against-government-vaccine-safety-violations 4. Compensation for vaccine injury to date: 4.4 billion and counting.https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/data/index.htmlDescription of the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP) • Children'sHealth Defense 5. The CDC, frankly, is a vaccine company; it owns at least fifty vaccine patents and buys anddistributes $4.6 billion in vaccines annually through the Vaccines for Children program.Examining RFK Jr.'s claim that the CDC “Owns over 20 vaccine (greenmedinfo.com)FY 2018 Budget in Brief - CDC | HHS.gov 6. In 1986, Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act freeing companiesfrom liability for injuries resulting from childhood vaccines no matter how toxic the ingredients,how negligent the manufacturer, or how grievous the harm.H.R.5546 - 99th Congress (1985-1986): National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 |Congress.gov | Library of Congress NCVIA: The Legislation that Changed Everything—Conflicts of Interest Undermine Children'sHealth: Part II • Children's Health Defense 7. There are two Hepatitis B vaccines licensed for one day old babies in the United States-onemanufactured by Merck and the other by GlaxoSmith Kline. Merck's Hepatitis B was licensedby the FDA after trials which solicited adverse reactions for only five days after vaccination.Similarly, GlaxoSmithKline's Hepatitis B Vaccine was licensed by the FDA after trials whichsolicited adverse reactions for only four days after vaccination.recombivax_pi (merck.com) 8. In 1965, 4% of the US population had a chronic disease.For American kids born in 1986,only12.8% had chronic disease. That number has grown to 54% among the vaccine generationaccording to a 2011 survey funded by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)Dynamics of obesity and chronic health conditions among children and youthhttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20159870/ A National and State Profile of Leading Health Problems and Health Care Quality for USChildren: Key Insurance Disparities and Across-State Variations -ScienceDirecthttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1876285910002500 9. Vaccines CAN and DO cause injuries. The message that vaccine injuries are rare is notsupported by facts and anecdotal evidence. An HHS-sponsored study by the Agency forHealthcare Research and Quality found that vaccine injuries, when tracked using electronicmedical records, occur in one in thirty-nine vaccines given.Electronic Support for Public Health - Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (ESP:VAERS)(Massachusetts) | AHRQ Digital Healthcare Research: Informing Improvement in Care Quality,Safety, and Efficiency Vaccine Injuries Ratio: One for Every 39 Vaccines Administered • Children's Health Defense 10. Post-licensure vaccine safety surveillance is failing the American people and childrenaround the world. The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System(VAERS), where doctors andpatients voluntarily report adverse vaccine events, received 58,381 reports in 2018. including412 deaths,1,237 permanent disabilities, and 4, 217 hospitalizations. An HHS-funded review ofVAERS concluded that "fewer than one per cent of vaccine adverse events are reported " toVAERS. The CDC has refused to mandate or automate VAERS reporting.Electronic Support for Public Health–Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (ESP:VAERS)(ahrq.gov) ican-reply-december-31-2018.pdf (childrenshealthdefense.org) 11. The CDC vaccine researcher-turned whistleblower, Dr. William Thompson, Ph. D. wasdenied the ability to testify regarding scientific fraud and destruction of evidence by senior CDCofficials in critical CDC vaccine safety studies regarding an association between childhoodvaccines and autism. Thompson invoked federal whistleblower status and alleges that the CDCdestroyed evidence that black boys are 3.36 times more likely to develop autism if they receivethe MMR vaccine before age three.CDC Blocks Testimony by Vaccine Whistleblower in Medical Malpractice Case • Children'sHealth Defense The Statement of William W. Thompson • Children's Health Defense 

www.ricknorrismusic.nethttps://rumble.com/vofn0t-where-has-christs-authority-gone.html?mref=ijkk3&mc=a98jb-His Books are available at:Restoration Preparing for His Fullness   https://amzn.to/3k1GwvCWhen Heaven Speaks Out Loud   https://amzn.to/3k1pj5vFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/rick.norris.1694Rick Norris  0:00  We have lost touch with not only the former dominion but the extravagant power, authority and might that's been delegated in the church. And that book restoration, preparing for his fullness, think of that title for a minute. Preparing for his fullness. Gary Duncan  0:52  Welcome to remnant revolution. I'm your host, Gary Duncan. And we're doing another installment of restoration with Rick Norris. And how's it going, Rick? Rick Norris  1:03  Gonna make it can't tell me no miracles. I'm still here. Gary Duncan  1:08  We're going over talk a little bit about his book restoration preparing for his fullness. And is it was written probably what you say about 2008. You said, Rick Norris  1:20  Well, that's when it was published. It was written many years before that. And edit. It was edited a little bit as I was getting more revelation. But I'd say about 10 years before I even published it. So but that's because I'm I stay on the big red phone. Any pipes it down? So Gary Duncan  1:41  Well, what I what I find amazing about this book is is you know, you wrote it so long ago, but it was kind of a forethought of what's here today. I mean, we're we're living through what you've talked about in this book. And you know, it's it's really something that we all need to be aware of. And, and, you know, we talk from time to time a lot. You're kind of like my spiritual father and a yarmulke spiritual father, so but I was, we're going to start doing some of these, we're just hop on the phone and start talking. So it's kind of unrehearsed. It's an unedited, you know, so if we mess up some words, that's just part of it, we're going to we're going to roll with but we want to get through and talk a lot about this stuff. Because it's, it's such an emergency situation in our country. And we have got to talk about it. So you got a spot in your book here. Talk about mama God is, is one of your sections when you make a statement that I keyed in on because, you know, the podcast kind of came out of a picture God gave me six years ago about a shipwreck, a battleship that was stuck in a harbor. And in this, this passage, you say this inability to recognize it, this inability to reconcile the very harsh realities of this physical world we live in. And a steady diet of only the comfortable teachings of Jesus, eg the Beatitudes has shipwrecked many believers, faith, especially in the modern church, again, often the confusion and cynicism formats into anger and bitterness of God. And it seems like, you know, we're living in a time that the Beatitudes are, are kind of have helped us well knows, like, we'll say that but the Jesus that we've grown up on, I feel like I've grown up bone is the loving, nurturing, fathering type of Jesus and we're coming into it, we are in the time, that righteous ness and and just a Jesus that's going to come back as a lion, not as a lamb. And we need to start really standing up for that. And I think a lot of it's because we've lost our lost our identity. And what I want to get to is the point in your book where you say, God has delegated dominion and stewardship to mankind, our disobedience surrendered it Satan. When the Lord went to the cross, He restored the form of dominion. We have his authority along with it all. Again, we're, the church has got so much power in this country. But yet we're not yielding it just like that battleship, that battleship is created to destroy evil. And the church is created to destroy evil and save the last. And we're not there. We're not We're not understanding our d&d. So I want to kind of get your, your thoughts on that and, and about how we as Christians can really start to take back, you know, not just make America great again, or free again or whatever. It's to really take our authority that was given to us You know, what? The founding of our country? Rick Norris  5:02  Sure. Gary Duncan  5:03  Well, we're not the founding of our country, but founding of of the beginning of time, both but as a country, we've been ignored that. Right. Rick Norris  5:13  I get you, I get you. Well, yeah, it's the book itself is written largely about that stuff. And the former dominion that you mentioned, we'll start there. First of all, a general answer to what you're inquiring about is that the church the reason the book was written was because we've lost several things, the fear of God, the true fear of God, we've lost our understanding of spiritual warfare. We think we know what that mean. And we've been taught certain little uncomfortable things about it. And there, if you read the back of that book, it talks directly to that, saying that we there have been sins of omission, from our pulpits for, you know, over a century. And the reason is, of course, what we now call political correctness, which is really a capitulation to the comfort zones of the people in the pew because pastors over the years did not want to jeopardize their salaries and budgets, you know, by making people uncomfortable and sharing some of the harsh stuff. So we've atrophied over the years especially and people in that same chapter people you know, they've been given a an over time they've given been given a view of Jesus as their own personal little Santa Claus. Right? Remember goofy? Yeah, course there's a Sani Gary Duncan  7:19  compartmentalize them into a genie in a box, and make you three wishes to come true. Rick Norris  7:25  Oh, man, and and that's what we need becomes our own little genie little wish box, right. And we go to church sit in a big giant church, where nobody knows, you know, the sins in your life. And you don't know if the guy next to you is an Axe Murderer. Big giant churches that God never intended to have. And because nobody knows anybody stuff and nobody ministers, but and, and so we don't grow and and I could go further that direction. But coming back to the former dominion. It's says that he, as I mentioned it, where you were reading there, that's pretty well into the book there. But the former dominion was what we had in the garden, simple, simply. And, you know, at the cross that was restored. So we are in, in authority on the earth. We are tending this garden. And people say, Well, wait a minute, you know, how come there's so much war and death? And well, let me finish that. See, Jesus is so extravagant. God is so he can have themself he's so giving. So other He's not like us remotely. He's so extravagant in the way he gives. And the things that he does, that he gave us his authority on top of that. And it's because mainly because we're in a war, and that war necessitates us moving in an authority beyond merely the former dominion, we're gonna have to have some major firepower, obviously. So He gives us His authority. He said, Behold, I give you authority. And if your folks if you're even a nominal, Christian, much less mature, you should be using that authority daily to defend yourself and others. He said, what certain things you bind on earth will be bound in heaven. Right? What does that mean? What does that look like? Well, means binding the enemy binding spirits, right? And people say, Well, how does that work? Well, you know, casting out demons, that kind of thing. And most Christians today are completely out of touch with that, that's like, well, that's one of those cares, mania, Pentecostal things, you know, how about Mark 1617 and 18. These signs show follow them that believe. Think of that as I go forward. These signs shall follow them that believe in my name, they will cast out, it's his authority has to be in his name. We don't have any right? In my name. They will cast out demons. They'll speak with new tongues, they'll take a serpent. And if they'll lay hands on the sick, they shall recover. And if they drink any poisonous thing, it won't hurt them. So people just kind of Kak at that. Like, what? It's like some metaphor. It's analogous to that. Well, part of it is, for example, taking up serpents doesn't mean dances with rattlesnakes. In some camp in the woods, it means spiritual warfare. It's, he said, You will I give you authority to tread upon serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy. Think of that one for a minute. All. All the power of the enemy. Well, yeah, Vision says that. Having disarmed principalities, speaking speaking of Jesus now, having disarmed principality, okay, so the principalities are disarmed. What? Having disarmed principalities, right, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it. What does that mean? Well, in the classic sense of warfare, throughout history, when a king destroyed a kingdom, he would take the kings and princes and marched them through the street at the, you know, to tout the victory for the Gary Duncan  12:17  night, kind of what we're seeing the Taliban do. Rick Norris  12:20  Yeah. Gary Duncan  12:21  When you said that I'm thinking okay, so they cuz it recently an article read where the Taliban had strung up six people that had gotten called for trying to kidnap somebody or something. And they hung them up in the square after they beat him to death. Yeah, and that is a deterrent, you know? Yeah, the crime. And it's like, it's kind of rough. Rick Norris  12:45  That's the world we live in. See, and we come full circle. If your Jesus is a Santa Claus, you're gonna go Oh, will he? And let's pray for them. Well, yeah, pray for them. But, you know, the Word says, Do you not know that the loving kindness of God leads you to repentance? Well, but what we what we don't hear is if that doesn't work, he might spank your butt. And people I just the other night, I was prayer walking down by the dam, near the on the river duck river here. And there was a young lady there and the Lord said, you know, go give it a try. And I I kind of asked her because I could tell God was up to something and I asked her where she was at with the Lord very blatantly and she you know, didn't take long you know that Father's heart rose and, and and she felt it and then the anointing came forward and she was sobbing and I let her do the Lord right there but she was, she was, she said, you know why? Even her daughter and her little daughter had asked her why is God allow all these hard things in your life? Since you're such a good person? And she's crying she can't figure out she says, I feel like God hates me. Right? And you'll have to bring me back to the Dominion thing here. This is important. And you know, I said well, if you're standing on the curb with your little one, in you know, say New York or somewhere and there's a you know, 60 ton truck coming by loaded down heavy at you know, 40 miles an hour and your little ones about to step you know, 12 inches into the road and get an end up a stain. You'll do whatever you have to do, you'll break that little ones arm, yanking them off the curb, and hurt them. If you You have to to save their mind. Do you know that pretty blatant simple analogy, but that's how God is He loves us so much. He will not let us remain in death. And stay, you know satiated and, and stuck in that cycle of, you know, self destruction. And the lights went on she accepted the Lord she got right right there in the parking lot. It was awesome. night before that the same thing happened with exact same thing happened with a young man who was tweaking if you know what that mean. He was on meth, you know? And he was delirious, absolutely delirious. And he wouldn't stop talking about bla bla bla bla, but you know, kind of like we represent the lollipop girl, you know, he was just, oh, it's horrible. And I couldn't get in on every once while I get a word in and he started, you know, it was affecting him. But he couldn't help but the demons finding that I had had enough. I said, if you don't want to hear this trouble, he said, I'm done traveling. But it was after he came back, he actually left those spirits that we got to get this guy out of here. He came back. And while he's talking, I can't get a word in. I said, well, in the name of Jesus Christ, I bind the spirit of confusion. And I bind the spirits that are blinding the eyes and ears of his heart in the name of Jesus right now. And he became rational. And he you know, he was still tweaking a bit. But he started listening. And I said, you, you know, you've come back to talk to me, there's a reason for that you got set up? Jesus just set you up. Do you want to do this? You know, yeah. And he slumped down against the pillar under the overpass, which is the name of one of my songs. Rick Norris  17:13  There at the dam and, and he accepted the Lord right there got right. And was rational. When he left his sister came and picked him up. Long story. I'm actually condensed, but that's an example of the authority that we've been given. And the church has completely lost touch with that stuff. It's like, you know, there's a few, you know, charismatics, and people who actually spend time praying in the Spirit that get it and get those opportunities. You know, I have people all the time asking me, How come I don't have miracles in my life? Like you? You know, as you know, the second book, my second book, when Heaven speaks out loud is my testimony. And it's so over the top, a lot of Christians just shake their head. They can't even relate. And there it is. Yeah. And, you know, for decades, I didn't share that stuff. Unless I was in an outreach situation, literal, captive audience like a prison where a, you know, mission or something. Because it's so over the top, I've seen miracles of biblical proportions, many times, and experiences in the heavenlies that, you know, I don't care what people think anymore. I'm not worried about it. And I shouldn't have been before I speak, perhaps to my shame, for not being more forthright with some of those experiences. But there are people ask me, why don't I have those kinds of miracles in my life? I just say, when's the last time you spent at least an hour praying in the Spirit? And as I said, in one of my videos, I do a video series by the title of that second book here Gary Duncan  19:04  on YouTube, right? Rick Norris  19:05  Yeah, periodically. It's when Heaven speaks out loud with Rick Norris. But you know, I there as I shared in it. There was a an effort by liberal theology starting even 100 years ago, say, and it didn't catch on till later, but to discredit what praying in the Spirit mean, is all that that doesn't really mean what people think, Well, what it means is praying in tongues. And that's a controversial controversial issue. You know, denominational traditional Christianity they kind of bristle they don't want to hear about it, because they can't understand why they don't have it. Well, okay, one scripture what I just shared the Science shall follow them that believe now either the Bible's pure or it's not right. And I spent, you know, 55 years now making sure it what, and not only archaeology, historicity or the historicity and archaeology stand, but all the sciences point to the validity of the Bible prophecy proves. But I'm trying not to rabbit trail here. The point is, they said that praying in tongues that is praying in the Spirit does not mean praying in tongues. Right. And, and Paul said, Well do all pray with tongues. You know, he also said, I wish that you all prayed in tongues. And the reason he said do all praying that not everybody has the faith to step out of that boat, you know, onto the water. He didn't say they couldn't write, I have people say, Well, you know that stuff there? And Mark 16 1718? I just don't believe in that. Oh, okay, well, then they're not for you. Sorry, you, you don't get them? You do believe not for those who don't? Okay, so you just talked yourself out of those things. So, and what I tell people is, well, you know, I've shared this with you before, how these young men, two of them were young one was a little older. And they said, You know, I said, you know, pray ducks for an hour a day, right? And then get back and let me know that God because they wanted to get to miracles, they had jumped through all the hoops 40 years in the church. And I'm trying to show the authority you asked about, in case this seems like a rabbit trail, this is the pragmatic plant, acting out the reality of how these things apply in the real world. So they got back to me two days later, the first time ranting on the phone, you're not gonna believe what doesn't happen, have their first miracle and change their life. Right, two days. All the pent of pent up gifts of God were just, you know, waiting to burst into this person's life. And few days later, the same thing happened with another young man. He said the exact same thing. Ban through the church group manager at bow didn't jump through all the hoops, never even a prophetic word or anything. What am I doing? I said the same thing to him. And the same thing happened. Called the day and a half later, call me back, Randy, you're not gonna believe. So he had his breakthrough miracle. And then another gentleman, older gentleman had the same experience. Now, I I said all that to answer that question. All right. We have Rick Norris  23:04  lost touch with not only the former dominion, but the extravagant Power Authority and might that's been delegated in the church. And that book restoration, preparing for his fullness. Think of that title for a minute. Preparing for his fullness. Right? Well, the first part of that title restoration demands demolition. If you're going to do a restoration, you know, we hear about we're gonna have a revival, of course, if we're going to have a reformation you know, but the truth is, we're going to have a restoration, because the only way he can pull our fat out of the fire at this point, we're so far gone. He's going to have to do some demos for that restoration project. Right. And I hope this is clearing that question up, because it's huge. And I know it, I'm going long, but it's so important. And this, these revelations will bring faith. They build faith people go out, we met that's in the Bible. How come I never was shown that? Well, because, you know, there's a status quo out there folks. In AI, does that. I mean, you know, that pretty much covers it, I think, Gary Duncan  24:28  no, it talks Well, you know, that's why we're hearing a lot more talk about the remnant church and the remnant people and because the the widespread church is still working the old ways of the way it's always been done and the remnant church is looking more at you know, the original intent of the church which is you know, you go into the each of you principal and in the fivefold ministry and and we're going to I have a episode on that coming up as well. But I think that the important part of what you're saying is that America might, it seems like that we're all in a time of that. That jerking back of that child from that. oncoming truck. Oh, yeah. And it's a very painful. Yeah. And it shows itself in so many different ways. Whether it's, well, a lot of stuff, and we can go off on a wild track on, um, you know, the vaccine and Black Lives Matter, and the CRT and education system and all that, that God's just saying, you know, you're going to you, I told you not to touch the fire, and you're, you're not going to listen, so I'm going to let you get burned. And I mean, that's what parents do. They allow their child to, to learn from experience sometimes, you know, Rick Norris  25:59  yes, and judgment begin at the house of God, that scripture, and we are in a time of judgment, I have written songs about it, I got a revelation in the 80s, that if we didn't repent, we were going to get judged, at least in some way. And that was 2001. That was when the towers fell. And the songs speak verbatim of the terminology and redundant reports that were coming from ground zero. And we could I could share that sometime if we have time. And, you know, no one wanted to hear it, because it just sounded so harsh, especially then, because we hadn't had any judgment for decade as a nation. You know, and 911 was in those songs. And they well anyway, if you go to Rick Norris music.net There's a music video they're called One nation under fire. At the at the site, the first songs you come to is a string of singles that are outreach singles prophetic. But the but that that video is one nation under fire, music video, and it's one of them that talks about and I went on TBN and share those the Lord had me share those and they literally at that time mocked when we got off camera, laugh and when mock literally laughed and mocked at it. And, and then, you know, when we got the redundant reports from ground zero, I say redundant because they kept saying the same thing. We can't get in until a smoke finally clear. Right? That's literally verbatim from one of the songs. And you know, the ashes in the dust. You know, the last part of the first song is I found a coin lying in the ashes in the dust. Pain beyond description as I read the inscription, in God, we trust Gary Duncan  28:29  you wrote this many years prior, right? Rick Norris  28:33  Yeah, sorry. Yeah. And I, for years, I couldn't sing him. I could hardly get through them. You know, emotional control was hard. But, uh, you know, and a week, I got so wounded, by the way, they dealt with me on on TBN. And I just, you know, shrugged it, I've dealt with that kind of stuff before and I, I was driving, I was on the road, and it was like, the Holy Spirit, put an elbow in my arms. It's, you're not getting it, because I had ground zero on the radio. And they were still trying to dig it out, you know, still trying to get to anyone that might still be alive. And they kept, you know, he said, you're not getting this. I said, luck, Lord. But, you know, he said, listen, and it says, We can't get in, you know, to see what's going on until the smoke finally clear. You know, report after report. They said that exact same thing over and over for a week at least more. And, and then the other one, they kept saying we can't get in through all the ashes in the dust. Because the thing kept collapsing. Right. And again, that was almost two weeks for that thing, just smolder you know, And No at all. And that was just God trying to encourage me that I really did hear from him. And, you know, who cares with those, you know, people, I found out later that, that the, he had me sing those two heavy duty, Keith green kind of messages, and the name of the program was the joy. Gary Duncan  30:24  So I was really don't want to guess what they were thinking. You think? Anyway, now you do tell us a little bit about your I mean, your your background is is was in the Gospel, the Christian artistry back in the 70s when it first started, and you were instrumental in some things there. And so, so on your website, Rick norris.net Rick Norton music ignores music dotnet you know, it's, it's free, right. But I mean, Rick Norris  30:58  why my music you? I don't believe in the 32nd tease. Yeah, right. Are you and then you you're kind of whet your whistle and you got to pay to hear the rest. Okay. Yeah. You know, Jesus said, freely ever received freely give. So all these years, I came from that whole Keith green second chapter of Acts, you know, Larry Norman, you know, Maranatha. I watched Calvary Chapel get birth when it was in a tent when we started. Die had a sovereign conversion like Saul of Tarsus, in the 60s. I was the criminal and the frontman for a rock band, and God showed up and blew my game out of the water. But then the, you know, in the 70s, I watched all the Christian music explode. And I know many of those folks that you know, are from their dear friends, and they're, I they're all vital. They're all still walking with the Lord. That movement that Jesus people move and change the world. People don't realize. But so yeah, I was there. At the beginning. I watched Calvary Chapel get born. And back then it was organic. It wasn't it's almost like a dot denomination now. It's so established. Back then it was organic. Everybody shared and everybody had a word of problem the each of you thing, right. And it wasn't a one man show and, and like most church today is we need to do a thing on that too, at some point. But yeah, I helped my little part of pioneering what is now CCM and I've groomed artists, Christian artists that have you know, I've done a&r artists and repertoire and grooming artists, mostly vocally, but also in songwriting, and some have gone on to have number one albums with then your music group back in the day. Anyway, I'm tanging. Now. Yeah. So Gary Duncan  33:06  So So what I'm wrapping up here, so what would be the looking at where we're at, you know, the restoration and, you know, like, I've been in construction. So when you restore something, you either tear it down or you strip it down to the bare bones as a Christian and looking at where we're at. What what are you think the first few things that we need to be doing? That are keys to, to that restoration in our own lives, that we can be strengthened, you know, understanding our identity, understanding the power that we actually have through Christ, to combat the evil that's just all around us. This evil is just Rick Norris  33:50  like a flood. Yeah, it's coming in. And word says when the enemy comes in like a flood, the Lord lifts up a standard against that standard is a banner, that means we're going at it folks, it's it's a call to to arm. Well, the arms we have, there's a there's a section, one of the part sections in my book is called our arsenal. We have an arsenal, we're in a war of words, right? You need to speak the word of God over your life. And I know we're going long. The the dominion that we have is real, it's powerful. You can have the miraculous come into your life. But you have to, you know, the Word says that God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. How come we don't think that through? And what does that diligence look like? People said, well, we can't earn anything. Well, no, but he said that sacrifice and not talk. I'm talking about obedience. Right? With that scripture, you know, obedience is better than sacrifice. Right? We're not diligent, you know how how many people do you think, are like those young men? And those people that came to me and said, How come I don't have miracle? I have faith? Well, you haven't really broken through. Right? We need to break through, we need to get on our knees, we need to make Jesus our lives all about Jesus. We think about it, we talk about it, we sing about it. But we didn't do. America is fat hearted, spoiled, distracted, addicted to so many different things, entertainment, you name it, you know, and distracted to the point where we, our idea of Christianity is running to church on Sunday to appease our religious conscience. So we can rush home to watch the game. Right? And we just, you know, we might as well you know, a God, the Bible Jesus thing. No, we, it's, it's, it's not what he's called us to an eternity loom. And we are in judgment for it, because we abdicated allowed the devil to come in take over our government. And long before that, we allowed him to come in and murder 60 million of her baby. Plus, and, and then all the debauchery and the squeaky wheel. If the squeaky wheel is allowed to get the grease, if you know what I mean, the squeaky wheel is the one that makes all the noise, but there's a whole other car that's involved. And if the bulk of the people never say anything, the squeaky wheel, whether it's you know, gay rights mother, a woman's choice, or, you know, transgender or, you know, some other, you know, unheard of abomination. We don't respond, we just Well, yeah, whatever. Don't you know, and, and, you know, we worship the rapture of the Lord rather than the Lord of the rapture. It's like, well, we're out of here anyway. No, we're stewards. We're supposed to be stewards in both realm. And the authority and the Dominion, are our is ours. And we've lost touch, because I'm sorry, but the pulpits of America have been guilty of sins of omission. They don't share that Jesus is a Warren king. And that he is going to rule the nations within scepter of iron says, look this stuff up. I don't know. If it's not in the word, I'm not going to share it, that's for sure. Right? And they don't know him. That's what the book is largely about. What if we know the Jesus we know, is only 50%. of who he is. You know, the priest says he's a priest and a king. Well, he's made us priests and kings. And he's given us authority on the earth to to do three things. Save the Last edify the bride. Right, and destroy the works of the devil. And so judgment begins with the house of God, that's what you're looking at. I could keep going. debacle bottom line is, you know, we've got a lot of profits. I love those guys out on the wall. All of them. I mean, except for what's false ones. Pray for them that they get, you know, Gary Duncan  38:51  yeah, we can do. We could do an episode on deciphering but discerning between the true ones and the ones that aren't true. Rick Norris  39:00  Yeah. But I love them and but they're saying we're gonna make America great again. All right. Well, what does that look well with where we are and how far we've digressed and degenerated as a nation. He has given us reprieve after repeat over and over World War One World War Two, and the politically correct wars in Korea, Vietnam, so on, and he always pulls us out of it somehow. Right. And but now, we've had all our reprieves, President Trump was a reprieve, look at what happened to the economy and everything came back together. And now we've allowed the devil to come in with his trickery and do what he did. And here we are, and it's judgment. God has lifted his hand to get our attention. And yet it's possible we could have another reprieve, but we can't go back to who we were. Prior to this, because that's what God's after. That's what he's demoing. That's what that's see he's judging our nation, he may have to strip us all the way back to who we were in 1780 Hundreds, before he's done to get a pure remnant. So, I'm a little bit like Jeremiah, you know, I, I think that the Lord is going to continue to judge it. But it's all for good. It's not. It's him pulling, you know, hurting that child's arm to get him off the from stepping in front of that truck. It's not because he's mad at us. It's because he wants to save us from ourselves. Yeah. And, Gary Duncan  40:41  and I think there's, and that's why I sense this and in my own life, and just just listening and hearing other pastors and people that are coming out and talking more about the remnant church and the way it, you know, way the church needs to wake up about our history, the, you know, the fivefold ministry, and what the Church used to be like, and what it was originally intended, which is what, you know, a lot of what you're talking about, in that so we'll go into that in our one of our next episodes, just talking about the fivefold ministry and how the church was in was originally intended. Prior to Constantine Correct. You know, Constantine had a lot to do with the way we are today are in and how well, is that working? You know, lives are being saved? Yes. But, you know, we're in a war at this point. Yeah. And, you know, if we're not fighting with one hand, and and, you know, spreading the gospel at the other, you can do both. I mean, it's possible to do both. So we'll get into that. On our next one. And, again, Rick, it's always fun to talk with you. And I know, we talk a ton more on the phone than we do on camera. But we'll start doing a lot more of that. Because I think every time we we get together, it's it's at least an hour long conversation. Rick Norris  42:02  Yeah, I tried it. I tried to go as fast as I could. Because there's so much you know, to share. And but yeah, let's, let's plan on following up on this because the fivefold and. And all those issues you just mentioned are so important right now. Gary Duncan  42:20  Yeah. Way. Exactly. And so um, you know, as those everybody listening and across the country in the world, actually, you know, I'll put some show notes and links in the show notes for Rick connection with Rick and his music and the books. And we just appreciate the time you give us we'll do it again. Thanks for listening, folks, if you'll share, I don't know how to do all this stuff. Because I'm not a marketing guy. But whoever's listening, you know, I know you guys are listening. So I actually got somebody in Finland, listening, which I think is pretty cool. So for you that that one guy, it's in Finland, would you go and share this to somebody else now to people who can share it posted on your Facebook and all your social media stuff. Just get the word out. There's a lot more coming. We appreciate. Unknown Speaker  43:13  Thanks again for listening to this episode of remnant revolution. If you liked what you heard, please leave a comment and rating in iTunes and Google Play. This helps us get heard by more people. And don't forget to share the podcast with your friends and family. Be sure to visit www dot remnant revolution.org to join the conversation, access the show notes and keep up to date on important events and programming. To catch all the latest from me. You can follow me on Instagram at remnant revolution. 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Karen Kingston: FDA Letter Warns of Unknown JAB Side Effects, Shedding, Birth Defects & Death!The Rightside with Doug Billings- RumbleDoug Billings 0:00  Hey folks, Gary Duncan here with remnant revolution. Just had to get this episode out. I want you to listen to a replay of the Doug Billings show called The right side. He interviews his guest is Karen Kingston. She is a former Pfizer employee and very well known and educated in the vaccine industry she has provided she's providing patents and revealing the ability to isolate private individual information within these vaccines. Okay, these vaccines contain tracking technology. It's crazy, right? Last year's conspiracies are this year's truth gets a little in the weeds on technology, but all the documentation will be in the show notes. Check out right savage Doug Billings. This is an episode you need to listen to. Just just going you'll find it pretty easily. Great episode. Just had to get it out. Wake up church, there's a war going on for the soul of our country where the lies of the demonic control the narratives of our culture. Join your host Gary Duncan, in search of the kingdom warriors of our time, those not afraid to speak up and walk out the word of God in the face of evil. Get ready for a supernatural impartation a spiritual download of faith and fire into your life. Welcome to the remnant revolution 1:26  hi everybody welcome to the right side it's time for Karen Kingston she is becoming you know what I call a rock star in the world of awakening America to the components the recipe and the ingredients of the jab in all of the dangers and where we should really be focused in our efforts to confront this thing. Karen is just freshly back from the Brad Barton event in Kentucky I heard it was an extraordinary event she got to to meet and speak with privately General Michael Flynn which is good she's uh she's really someone ladies and gentlemen who I I'm really proud to have her on the show. I'm I'm honored that she chose this show to break all of the news that we're hearing now really in not only the the new media out there, but in the mainstream as well. She's her news and her her, her opinions are beginning to seep into the mainstream, which is where they need to be truly So having said all of that, and Karen Hi, my friend, welcome back. Hi, dad, thanks so much for having me back. It seems like forever since we chatted and we missed you. And in Kentucky, for sure. Thank you. And it was awfully nice of you. I 2:34  saw a little bit of your speech and heard about it rather. And it was awfully nice of you to to give a shout out to me in this show. And look, you know, I just admire the heck out of you. You you are you're bringing light to a dark time. And God is with you. I appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you so much. So we did call it here. Let's set the table a little bit we want to talk about, you know, ladies and gentlemen, our show that we did a couple of weeks ago about you know, checkmate, we win. Pfizer's got to now come forward with the ingredients of the jab, we're going to get there. We're going to explain Karen's going to explain where we are with that. But first, Karen, you know, a little pat on the back to both of us because a couple of months ago, you came on this show, and broke to the world, that the jab, the COVID jab that we're being that's being thrust upon us, is really the culprit behind and causing the Delta variant that's in the news today. Congratulations. We called it and now the mainstream is admitting that it's the truth. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, all the data from the FDA filings and specifically their 2015 document called gene based therapies, talks about the fact that if you inject someone with synthetic RNA that's going to produce a spike protein, that that spike protein is a pathogenic virus. So we call that saying like, Look, people that are being injected, they're actually producing the COVID, the COVID-19 variant called the delta and and over the last couple of weeks, I have been pleading on the media for healthcare providers to come forward and speak the truth about who they're seeing in the hospitals. And they're saying the people in the hospitals are the ones and we've gotten one or two doses, and they're having these mild carditis they're having respiratory failure. They're having kidney problems and they're calling it the Delta variant and they said make no mistake, this is from the injection so we we did we called it but again, the FDA laid it out for us and it was you know, it was just inevitable as a matter of time. 4:36  You know, Karen also is the world and is we in this country have begun to face 4:43  these mandates these unconstitutional maddening mandates that are being thrust upon us. We You and I were discussing just prior to coming on the air here that, you know, people are emailing you, they're emailing me, they, they want letters, they want templates. They want something to show that look, this thing is dangerous. I 5:00  Don't want to take it, you have no right to inject it into me, you know, 5:05  informed consent becomes an issue and people wonder about that. You pointed out also on this show that the content of the FDA letter itself admits, you know, Pfizer, you know, in or the FDA rather admitted they don't know, they don't know what's what this thing is going to do to us that shouldn't that be enough to shut this entire thing down? I believe so. I mean, the approval letter states that they don't know the long term, short term or long term effects of this vaccine on on on people's overall health and risk of permanent injury and risk of death. So they have about 10 studies where they talk about the need to track mild carditis in subjects who are injected everywhere from the age of five years of age and older, they talk about tracking sequentially of disease. And in these subjects who are young, healthy teenagers and adults, and Sequoia disease for mild carditis. That's a fancy word for congestive heart failure, that means your heart is failing. So they don't know if your heart is going to fail in two weeks, two years or five years. And what that means is as your left ventricle can't push blood into your body, you can no longer perform everyday activities. If you're in our military, then you cannot perform the duties that you need to protect and serve our country. If you are a young parent, then you may not be able to keep up with your toddler. And if you are a young teenager, it means you may not be able to play sports. And it was a qualia of disease eventually ends in death. 6:44  absolutely shocking. Not surprising, given who this is all coming from with the Fauci and the Bill Gates Foundation, the FDA itself, the CDC, highly, highly suspicious organizations and it doesn't surprise me to hear you say these things, although it doesn't alleviate the shock and now, okay, so you and I, you have come on this show, you've broke this news. months ago, we are on the cutting edge, we're out in front of this tsunami of nonsense and and danger. And you've been the siren that is sounded the alarm. Now the mainstream media though, Karen, you know, you and I also talked about graphene oxide, we were the first to bring that out into the attention of the American people into the world. And now it looks as though and you'll have to explain to us how that the mainstream media is now and Pfizer and other organizations and the FDA, God knows who else they're going to begin to as you warn us to normalize graphene oxide a deadly component to human beings. Yeah, I believe that's what's going to happen again, I'm inside the industry. I know some of the major investors and we were talking about, you know, people that can manage up to 50 billion 100 billion dollar portfolios. So what they're willing to do is basically fall on the sword for graphene oxide. So when Pfizer got the FDA approval for the graphene oxides going to come out as as in as it was in the vials, right. Whether Pfizer says it truthfully, and follows on the sword with moderna, or they lie about it, they will be caught because people have the vials and we show there's graphene oxide in there, I believe they're willingly going to fall on the sword. And right now they're negotiating you know, what they're willing to be charged with, because of the graphene oxide under the EU way. So forget coming into the right now but Coverity they start inspecting the vials, but under the EU a, there was no good manufacturing processes that were being followed. So that includes the supply chain management. So it's very easy for moderna and fire him to be like, Oh, well, somehow or another along the supply chain management, someone slipped in toxic levels of graphene oxide, that that maybe explains these deaths that we weren't expecting to see. And there are lethal levels, but that's not our fault. Oh, and by the way, low levels are pretty good for you. They're bacterial Seidel, they kill viruses, etc, etc. But what they they're willing to do that and a trillion dollar fine is nothing. Because what the UAE did what the CDC did, and what the FDA did is they took a very dangerous class of products called gene therapies, whether they're mRNA, silencing RNA, car T cell therapies, complimentary DNA, these are dangerous therapies used in end stage cancer, and they call them vaccines. The only thing that everyone cares about whether they're the venture capitalists or the Big Pharma is they want to keep that vaccine category, meaning that they can inject you with these dangerous gene therapies for to prevent any type of disease, whether it's cancer, whether it's all climbers, whether it's dementia, whether it's ADHD, and so that's what they want to hold on to tomorrow. 10:00  Fourth, this $50 trillion market. And these injections in and of themselves will also cause some rare immune mediated diseases that are also very expensive to treat. So they just created themselves a large, many times over a multi trillion dollar market. Okay, Karen, so we're up against a break, I want to set the table for our next series of conversations on this for the audience. So, ladies and gentlemen, Karen and I are going to address the emails that we've received about your inquiries into this two week window of time. You'll recall that she and I did a story a few weeks ago, entitled, you know, checkmate, we win Pfizer has now got to, you know, tell us and come forward with the ingredients of the jab, we're going to explain what they're doing, as she was just alluding to, behind the scenes negotiations, and so forth. We'll talk specifically about those emails. As we continue our discussion with Karen Kingston. Bye, everybody. Welcome back to the right side with Doug Billings, where we engage in determined prayer and determined patriotism every day here on the program, with my friend, Karen Kingston, and we were talking about kind of looking back over the things that she and I have called, she really has broken some of the most major stories about the ingredients of the jab in the world. And she's chosen to do so on this program. So we were we were reflecting on that. And Karen, let me bring you in here. Now, when we, when we were talking before the break, we were setting the table to remind the audience members who had contacted us about the last show that we did about Pfizer now being how they would have been now forced to tell us what's in this thing, what's in the jab. And a lot of people wondering, Well, where's that news? Release? What's going on there? So can you just shine some more light on that? Let's explain to the folks where we are in that process. Why they haven't seen anything yet. But what what what Pfizer is doing behind the scenes, perhaps? Sure, let me share my screen and go straight to the letter. for everyone. An important point is they had to share with the FDA what's in the products, they did not necessarily need to have to have to share that with us. They have to share it with the American people, once co Murti which is the branded product is available on the market. So let me explain what the letter says why it's confusing. While it's why it's intentionally confusing, and why again, this is mandates by memo, which is unlawful, illegal malfeasance, and abusive and American people need to stand up. So this letter says that they got an approval for the vaccine. And they say it's associated with these two clinical trials down here, if you go to clinical trials.gov. These trials are not just the phase three trial, which has what's called bn t 162. b, which is the 30 micrograms of mRNA. These trials have about a dozen different variations, including different dosages of what we know as bn, t 162. b, which is the mRNA that produces PS to spike protein. And we talked about that, that's not the source code to spike protein. It's a new spike protein that causes inflammation in your heart, lungs, and kidneys. But the neutralizing antibodies from source code to bounce off of it like bullets on Superman, so it doesn't stop you from getting infected from source code to. They also have another version called 161. That has different receptor binding domains. Again, this is just causing more variance, and more what they call reactogenicity. Some more inflammation, it's just making the pandemic, the disease more deadly. They also have another one that was for the South African variant that they started injecting and people they developed in April start injecting people in May. Again, this is really ironic, because the South African variants didn't even come to market until January 2021. But in May of 2020, they're injecting people with vaccines for this variant. So I think that's more evidence that this is you know, we don't really know what was approved and what where the FDA was being I think 14:13  I just in genuine I don't know if that's the right word is they sent out a reissue their ua letter on August 23. And what they said when they they approved co modernity on August 23. And then they reissued the UA to Pfizer and biontech. And on page two, paragraph three, they say ko modernity is the same formulation as the Pfizer biotech COVID-19 vaccine and can be used interchangeably. Well, how did they know that they never looked at any one of the vials that are in the market, and they hadn't looked at any of the vials yet for Pfizer comorbidity. Again, this is mandated by memos and people making stuff up. So it's completely unlawful. 14:57  But just to reiterate what I 15:00  had said they this is the thing. They're not allowed to distribute any of the lots of humanity until CBR. approves it. Unfortunately, the two top people at CBR for vaccines resigned the day of this approval. So that's also a problem, isn't them? And they? Yeah, I know isn't that convenient, and they helped us to submit product deviations. So this is when the graphene oxide is going to come out. 15:26  So they have to submit product deviations in the product. And within 14 days, submit that including serious adverse events. So if now they're inspecting the vials, and they're saying, hey, there's graphene oxide in here, they can again, blame it on the supply chain management issue. And then say, it's not our fault. And under the EPA, they have no liability. And nobody was in charge of inspecting the product for what was in the product, the quality, the consistency, or even where it was manufactured. This stuff could have been manufactured, manufactured by the Chinese Communist Party. We don't know. Nobody knows. That's the truth. 16:03  And then, and here's some more evidence that maybe alludes to that is that this is from Pfizer biotech, the biotech meeting in January this year, they were committed to over $1 billion doses, you can see the second bullet 30 to 40% of the gross profit shares with Fossum pharma in China. They're six manufacturing sites for Pfizer and biontech. And then these are also contract manufacturing organizations. We don't know if there's dozens of them or hundreds of them around the world that finished the lipid nanoparticle and all finished capacity. So again, what's in who's putting the final MPs in there, the pegylated lipids, what's in them? According to the patents, it looks like it's harder gel and graphene oxide and people that are making themselves into walking you in magnets? Yeah, I know. So 16:52  did that just go through? Yeah. So for people who want to say no way, can you force me to put myself or my child at risk for permanent injury or death? Show them this letter. This is this is part of the FDA approval letter. It says that the data they've collected so far right is alarming. But it's not sufficient to assess the known serious risk of myocarditis, pericarditis, and subclinical mild carditis. So those children are being sent home from hospital say, they just took ibuprofen, it's a mild case of mild carditis. That is a big lie, their left ventricles inflamed and they are going to be suffering from heart failure at a very young age, it's going to affect their ability to perform everyday activities, sports, and eventually it can lead to death. So again, that's a huge lie. So they need to follow up on that. Here's another study that just says that they need to do a five year study, or sorry, this is a no yeah, five year four year study for mild carditis. This I really wanted to call attention to here's a five year study for pediatric patients in mild carditis How dare you tell me to you can inject a 12 year old child or a 19 year old college student or anyone in our military that you know, that is 1819 years old, and that you don't know what kind of damage you're going to be doing to their heart long term. Here, there's a study for ages five through 15 years of age, the CDC is rearing up to make this available for children now five to 11. And we're saying we don't know how, what kind of damage we're going to do to your children's hearts, if they're at five, you know, what kind of damage are they going to have at the age of six and are they going to live to see the age of seven, they don't know, going on the third dose. This is this is about the the booster shots. They don't know if this is going to cause mild carditis and in adults under the age of 30. The next one is really alarming. This is the shedding This is for women who are pregnant and have given birth to newborns. This is seeing whether or not there's birth defects in their babies, or if the newborns develop birth defects. When they are exposed to people who are vaccinated, these pregnant women aren't even injected. This is test to test for birth defects if a woman is around a person who was vaccinated. This is a highly deadly dangerous product. I don't understand that people don't see it as a bio weapon. It can only poison harm, permanently injure and kill people and cause dirt birth defects to our children and cause disease in our children and potentially death. Lastly, here's another one where they want to study a lower dose of the mRNA. Right now, comorbidity has 30 micrograms, and they're like, well, that's probably kind of high for someone that's under the age of 30. So between 12 and 30, because of immunogenicity, well, what's immunogenicity. The FDA defines it as it is basically your body overreacting to the vaccine and having an overreaction that causes serious permanent injury or 20:00  immune diseases, genetic disorders and death. 20:05  Karen, it 20:06  should be enough to say how No, right? Well, we're going to, it's chilling, it's frightening. And look, you I have said, ever since I've met you, and have spoken to you about this, this stuff. 20:21  Yeah, I'll give you a chance. There we are. Ever since you and I met I have called this the this entire story everything's from the the patenting of this jab, the the ingredients creating it, and so forth. The the it is the single most evil story in the history of mankind, what they have been doing. And I stand by that every time I talk to you, I am more and more convinced that those words as scary as they are, are true. This is the most evil story that's been thrust upon all of us in the history of our species. And it has got to be stopped, we're going to put these letters on our website, ladies and gentlemen, you know that it Doug billings.us, Karen has her own tab over there. It's not it's kind of like having your own tab at the bar, although it's a better tab and you get more information from it. And we we will have this letter up there. And you all email Karen and I for these templates in these letters, please use this, please refer to it and use it as you see fit and adapt it to your own specific situation. Karen, 21:28  thank you, you continually leave me speechless. Thank you for coming on the show. Thank you, and I agree with your dog 100%. This isn't just the war of our lifetime. This is the war of humanity. Nothing so depraved and evil has ever been brought on this world ever, ever. I mean, the infection causes a horrible diseases, horrible death. I mean, it's not the way God intended you to live your life, our days are all numbered by God and to be injected with this. And to think that you may have permanent disability, you may have permanent brain damage, you may not be able to function or walk or get out of bed, you may lose the ability to eat, you may lose the ability to control your body, you know, your all of your bodily functions. And that's how you're going to live your last days. And we didn't even and we didn't even touch on the fact that they're not concerned about eliminating this virus. In fact, the jab perpetuates the virus and there's a whole other dates of the virus and the end, the new variants that are coming from the vaccines are much more harmful to children SARS code to didn't do anything to children. So children are getting sick from this. Children are dying from variants. So I, I agree with you, it's the war of humanity, and we need to speak up and shed light on the truth. And I pray and hope that people, regardless of their political views, can see the truth for what it is to our own governments documents. You bet, Karen, again, thank you, ladies and gentlemen, Karen Kingston with us today, please do your research thoroughly. Check out these letters that we haven't done billings.us there's templates over there. Thank you very much, Karen. We love you. We appreciate you. Thanks again for listening to this episode of remnant revolution. If you liked what you heard, please leave a comment and rating in iTunes and Google Play. This helps us get heard by more people. And don't forget to share the podcast with your friends and family. Be sure to visit WWW dot remnant revolution.org to join the conversation, access the show notes and keep up to date on important events and programming. To catch all the latest from me. You can follow me on Instagram at remnant revolution. Until next time, armor up, stand up and speak up.     

https://vaccine-police.com/https://www.facebook.com/christopher.key.35/https://twitter.com/VaccinePolice11https://www.instagram.com/key_christopher/ 11 Undeniable Facts Concerning Vaccination:1. The U.S. Supreme Court rules all vaccines unavoidably unsafe.https://www.aap.org/en-us/documents/immunization_refusaltovaccinate.pdf 2. None of the vaccines on the U.S. CDC-recommended childhood vaccine schedule weretested against an inert saline placebo in clinical trials.The Facts About the FDA's Questionable Practices • Children's Health Defense 3. This HHS lawsuit shows that no safety studies have been conducted on vaccines forthirty-three years.https://www.worldhealth.net/news/rfk-jr-wins-case-against-government-vaccine-safety-violations 4. Compensation for vaccine injury to date: 4.4 billion and counting.https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/data/index.htmlDescription of the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP) • Children'sHealth Defense 5. The CDC, frankly, is a vaccine company; it owns at least fifty vaccine patents and buys anddistributes $4.6 billion in vaccines annually through the Vaccines for Children program.Examining RFK Jr.'s claim that the CDC “Owns over 20 vaccine (greenmedinfo.com)FY 2018 Budget in Brief - CDC | HHS.gov 6. In 1986, Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act freeing companiesfrom liability for injuries resulting from childhood vaccines no matter how toxic the ingredients,how negligent the manufacturer, or how grievous the harm.H.R.5546 - 99th Congress (1985-1986): National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 |Congress.gov | Library of Congress NCVIA: The Legislation that Changed Everything—Conflicts of Interest Undermine Children'sHealth: Part II • Children's Health Defense 7. There are two Hepatitis B vaccines licensed for one day old babies in the United States-onemanufactured by Merck and the other by GlaxoSmith Kline. Merck's Hepatitis B was licensedby the FDA after trials which solicited adverse reactions for only five days after vaccination.Similarly, GlaxoSmithKline's Hepatitis B Vaccine was licensed by the FDA after trials whichsolicited adverse reactions for only four days after vaccination.recombivax_pi (merck.com) 8. In 1965, 4% of the US population had a chronic disease.For American kids born in 1986,only12.8% had chronic disease. That number has grown to 54% among the vaccine generationaccording to a 2011 survey funded by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)Dynamics of obesity and chronic health conditions among children and youthhttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20159870/ A National and State Profile of Leading Health Problems and Health Care Quality for USChildren: Key Insurance Disparities and Across-State Variations -ScienceDirecthttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1876285910002500 9. Vaccines CAN and DO cause injuries. The message that vaccine injuries are rare is notsupported by facts and anecdotal evidence. An HHS-sponsored study by the Agency forHealthcare Research and Quality found that vaccine injuries, when tracked using electronicmedical records, occur in one in thirty-nine vaccines given.Electronic Support for Public Health - Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (ESP:VAERS)(Massachusetts) | AHRQ Digital Healthcare Research: Informing Improvement in Care Quality,Safety, and Efficiency Vaccine Injuries Ratio: One for Every 39 Vaccines Administered • Children's Health Defense 10. Post-licensure vaccine safety surveillance is failing the American people and childrenaround the world. The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System(VAERS), where doctors andpatients voluntarily report adverse vaccine events, received 58,381 reports in 2018. including412 deaths,1,237 permanent disabilities, and 4, 217 hospitalizations. An HHS-funded review ofVAERS concluded that "fewer than one per cent of vaccine adverse events are reported " toVAERS. The CDC has refused to mandate or automate VAERS reporting.Electronic Support for Public Health–Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (ESP:VAERS)(ahrq.gov) ican-reply-december-31-2018.pdf (childrenshealthdefense.org) 11. The CDC vaccine researcher-turned whistleblower, Dr. William Thompson, Ph. D. wasdenied the ability to testify regarding scientific fraud and destruction of evidence by senior CDCofficials in critical CDC vaccine safety studies regarding an association between childhoodvaccines and autism. Thompson invoked federal whistleblower status and alleges that the CDCdestroyed evidence that black boys are 3.36 times more likely to develop autism if they receivethe MMR vaccine before age three.CDC Blocks Testimony by Vaccine Whistleblower in Medical Malpractice Case • Children'sHealth Defense The Statement of William W. Thompson • Children's Health Defense 

For more information about Dan Fisher and his work:https://www.danfisherbrr.com/Get copies of his books:  Bringing Back the Black Robed Regiment and Unlimited Submissionhttps://fairview-baptist-church-brr-ministry.square.site/ Well, for the most part, Gary, I think most pastors are ill informed cowards. They're just hirelings. You know, Jesus talked about the hireling. And he said, when the hireling is watching over the flock, the first time he sees the predator coming, he abandons the sheep and runs off to save his own hide. But the shepherd, when he sees the predator approaching, he'll lay his life down for the sheep. 0:24  Wake up church, there's a war going on for the soul of our country, where the lies of the demonic control the narratives of our culture. Join your host, Gary Duncan, in search of the kingdom, warriors of our time, those not afraid to speak up and walk out the word of God in the face of evil. Get ready for a supernatural impartation a spiritual download of faith and fire into your life. Welcome to the remnant revolution. 0:53  As you were talking about the pastures that is if every pastor or enough of them stood up to this tax exam, oppression, yeah, and would all come together and realize that we can preach government, we can preach politics, we can preach this stuff without fear. If they all did go worse. Yeah, then then they'd have to take them all to jail. 1:17  Well, that's that's exactly right. In fact, Richard land who used to lead the engagement section of the Southern Baptist Convention, trying to get people to engage, used to say, if we're all willing to go to jail, none of us will have to. It's kind of like what Benjamin Franklin said, We either hang together or we hang separately. Here's the deal. The church there's never been a church in the history of the IRS, not one that's lost tax exempt status for political speech, not one church. And if people don't want to believe me, check out Matt Staver, the founder and president of Liberty Counsel. Mat Staver is one of the leading lawyers, attorneys in America, he's defending Christians left and right. And he's one of the leading authorities on Christians and tax law. And we have Matt Staver to speak at our boot camps that we do, we might want to mention those towards the end of our discussion, but at our boot camps, we have Matt speak, and he alleviates the fear that these pastors have of losing their tax free status. I actually do a presentation on the IRS and the Johnson Amendment and all that kind of stuff. But here's the deal. If we stay silent long enough, they're going to weaponize the IRS, I'm just telling you, they're gonna do that. And they'll come after us eventually, if we keep staying silent. You know, Dr. Ben Carson said he had never been audited by the IRS until he spoke at that prayer breakfast with President then President Obama, and, you know, challenged him. And of course, that's how Ben Carson then became kind of a national name. Everybody knew him. But he said after that I was audited three or four times just one right after the other. Yeah. Hmm. 3:04  I was gonna say, I watch the hearings back when the IRS was persecuting and going after the Tea Party. Sure. It was unbelievable. I didn't listen to the news or watch the actual conversations back and forth. And you could tell the this director, mopping he was lying through his teeth, and just say, well, the smugness of what they were doing, and if and if you people don't believe this, I would, I would urge them and this I watched this not too long ago with Simone gold, Dr. Simone gold. Oh, sure. Same thing. She She Oh, have you Okay, we she takes you through step by step of when she first started, you know, with some of the vaccine mandates, how they've gone from just persecuting her to now anybody that even in contact with her has now had all kinds of issues and things develop people come in. I mean, it's unreal. I'm like, Oh my gosh, and so it's to me, we're in the middle of a I call it a medical terrorism because they're right they're trying to scare us from doing anything. 4:17  And that's one of their that's why they're making such examples out of these these soldiers who've spoken out. Now one of them was still in uniform and should have resigned first and then made these comments but they're trying to make an example that's what they're doing with all the people from January the sixth now they should not have gone into the Capitol and done what they did that was that was wrong, but they are not guilty of crimes that they ought to be treated the way put in solitary confinement for you know, since then, and all that kind of stuff. They're trying to make examples out of them to send a message to everybody else. Keep your mouth shut. Don't say anything. Don't stand up. Listen in 2008 I don't know if you're familiar with Alliance Defending used to be called ATF Alliance Defense Fund, but they're one of the largest Christian defense organizations in the world. Certainly in the United States, they launched what was called puppet freedom initiative. And the pulpit freedom initiative was a direct attack on the Johnson Amendment. And they vetted and trained 33 pastors across America to actually defy the Johnson Amendment and break the law, according to tax law, and endorse candidates from their pulpits, I was one of them. And then when we did that, that was when john mccain was running for president and we all held our noses and endorsed him. After that, the next day on Monday, we sent copies of our sermons to the IRS and said, This is what I did in my pulpit yesterday. And I was exercising my first amendment right. Now the reason we did that is we were trying to get the IRS to come after us and then ADF was going to defend us. And we were going to prove once and for all, that the Johnson Amendment is unconstitutional. We know what the IRS did nothing. And we've done the pulpit freedom initiative Sunday, on most major general elections, ever since the last official pulpit freedom Sunday, we had there were over 1600 pastors who officially participated that ADF would have defended, had the IRS come after them. And the IRS has done absolutely nothing. They even released unofficially, an unofficial memo that where they admitted that they don't have the authority to tell a preacher what he can preach, or what he can preach. Well, this is the fact. But these guys are under the illusion that they're going to lose their nonprofit status. When they're not. There never has been a church that's lost over political speech. But here's the deal, Gary, even if we did, are we going to be silent? I mean, I'd rather have my Liberty than tax free exemption. I mean, you know, are tax exempt status. The church ought to be because the power to tax would then give the the government the power to control the church, they control everything else they tax. But my point is, the most important thing is not a tax exempt status, the most important thing is freedom to speak our minds guaranteed by the First Amendment. So these preachers need to quit worrying about their tax free, you know, tax exempt status. Yeah, that's an issue and we ought to fight that. But that's not the most important issue, the most important issue is their freedom of speech, the freedom of religious thought, good grief, are they not even going to fight for that? And these guys? Well, for the most part, Gary, I think most pastors are ill informed cowards. They're just hirelings. You know, Jesus talked about the hireling. And he said, when the hireling is watching over the flock, the first time he sees the predator coming, he abandons the sheep and runs off to save his own hide. But the shepherd, when he sees the predator approaching, he'll lay his life down for the sheep. And today, we're pastored by hirelings, these guys do it for a paycheck. They're probably good guys, generally speaking, but they're in it for the career. They want a big church, they want a big paycheck, they want to be able to go play golf all the time, and they're not going to do anything that will jeopardize that. And there's cowards. I've even said that, well, to go around the country and paint most churches yellow, because because that's what they are, they're yellow. So it takes patriots to fight. If you remember, the framers, when they signed the Declaration of Independence, they thought they were signing their death warrants. They were convinced that they were going to be killed, and they would have been had the British won that fight, they would have executed all of those men that signed that declaration of independence and 8:49  many others. That's a brand that brings a thought to my mind about Win Win or the church and I say the church meaning just the body of Christ. Yeah. When are we willing to sign our death warrant? You know, it's obviously 9:05  not now. 9:08  But so we went, how bad you got to get for us to say, Okay, this is enough. We need to stand up and do some Yeah, I don't like you said, I don't know that we have that much time. 9:17  Well, Gary, in my presentation, when I when I get toward the end of it, I step out of character, and I become myself in my presentation. And I talk about what happens to a culture when the church goes silent. And I use Germany as an illustration. You know, the church in Germany just sat by while Hitler and the Nazis took over, because, you know, economy was getting better things were looking up and I even show pictures of Cardinals and bishops standing there doing the Heil Hitler salute. I even have pictures of Cardinals and bishops shaking hands with Hitler. They thought that if they could stay neutral, everything would be okay. Well, we know how that turned out. It wasn't okay, and In the end, Hitler went after the Catholics to I mean, he hated them all. Because tyrants cannot allow freedom of thought they just can't have that you got to knuckle under. And tyrants will always go after the church because the Church says, No, we're accountable to God and you're not God. That's why the Caesars in Rome, were so rough on the Christians, the first two or three centuries, because the Christians refused to say, Caesars Lord, Jesus is Lord. Now we'll we'll submit Caesar to you as our governor, but you're not the Lord. Well, that wasn't good enough. And so they killed Christians. That's what they always do. So I don't know how these preachers, these modern preachers today think that if America falls and goes Marxist, that they're going to be okay, because they're not going to be okay. 10:55  To me this, it's for me, it's plain to see that everything that we're going through right now, with the vaccines and the January 6, and all the things that are happening, I mean, we're getting hit, we're in a war, and we're getting hit from all sides. Yeah, if you look at it, every bit of it is anti God. It's an anti rubberised is moving itself around the world. And so if we're in that place, then to me, the church, the body of Christ should should shift from a peace time mentality to a wartime mentality. Yes. And so, you know, and you hear that, I know you did an article on Romans 13, unlimited submission to government released that book, there's a great bunch of people that that's what they fall on, you know, well, we got to submit to government and I hear it, you know, I think even in Titus three, one through two says, remind them to be subject to the rules and authorities to obey to the already for every good work to speak evil of no one to be peaceful, gentle, showing all humanity, humility to all men, you're right, that you're like, Okay, so I can't stand up and fight against, you know, Allah, because that would be speaking evil. 12:09  But Gary, in my book that I just released on Romans 13, by the way, if the people are interested in my materials, they can go to my website, Dan Fisher brr.com. And they can they can get our materials. But in that book, 12:22  we'll have all that in the links in the in the show notes and all that we'll have all that Lego as 12:26  well, in my book on Romans 13, I identify the kind of government that Paul is saying, you should submit to he says that the kind of government that's worthy of your submission, rewards the doers of good and punishes the doers of evil. And by doing so, they become a minister of God, because all authority ultimately comes from God. Then I quote, preachers from the Great Awakening, and our war of independence, who, who were preaching about those very passages of Scripture, and they clearly say, as Paul does that, if a government does the opposite of what Paul says, and they punish the doers of good and reward the doers of evil. Well, that's the opposite of the kind of government Paul's talking about. So, in a republic, like ours, all lived under a dictatorship. We live in a republic, where the people or the government see people have got to understand that the government is not in Washington, DC. The government is not in their state capitol, the government is in their house. They are the government. That's what a Republic is. So if a government does the opposite of what Paul says it's supposed to do, it's not a minister of God. Do we honestly believe that Hitler was a minister of God, or that these godless democrats who actually took God out of their platform and want to murder preborn babies, even after they're born? They want to lay them on a table and let the mother and the doctor decide what to do with it. You it's much you know, a botched abortion. 14:03  Nancy, they just passed yesterday, I think it was thirsty. HR. Oh, my gosh, I forgot it. They just passed a bill that is called the women's health. And if you go in there and you read, and I did I went through and read some passages of their how they define what a woman is, and that it's just insane. It's insane what they're saying. Yes and No, right. You had you had one democrat that voted against it 14:34  in that sad Democrat. So that's why I say that Christians shouldn't even call themselves Democrat. I don't believe you can be a democrat and be a Christian. I don't either. And it's not because I'm dyed in the wool Republican, because I'm just as mad at the republicans as I am the democrats just for different reasons. I'm mad at the republicans because they don't stand for what they say they believe because our platform the republican party platform is great, but these turkeys won't stand for it. And then Senator They won't fight. They just they're just too much. Now all they care about their own careers, but when you look, see democrats for years have been hiding behind this mother's health thing. And the average American reads that and they say, Well, sure, we, we want to be able for a woman who's pregnant that has like, for instance, an ectopic pregnancy where the mother is going to die, because the baby is forming in the fallopian tube. Sure, the doctors have got to take care of that. That's what they think when it says mother's health, no, but but the democrats what they mean by mother's health is, if the mother is distraught, if the mother is worried if the mother is anxious, that they call that the mother's health, well, of course, a woman pregnant outside of wedlock is anxious and distraught, they've sinned, I wonder they're going to do what murdered their baby. They hide behind these terms. And until Americans wake up, and start to smell the coffee, As the old saying goes and realize that we're just flat out being lied to typically by both sides, but certainly by the left. They don't mean that their words don't mean what we think they mean, they've taken these terms, and they've redefined them. When they talk about paying your fair share, you know, when they talk about taxes, what they're talking about is theft. Yeah, what they're talking about is, you shouldn't make over a certain amount of money. And if you are wealthy by their definition, then you want to be able to confiscate it. The problem is, Gary, that's that, and that, that sin, and I've never been hired by a poor man. 16:41  I've said that so many times, I said that I said, Everybody I've worked for has always got more money than I do. They might go businesses, right? Is it because I'm self employed? And I've like, I've never worked for a poor person. And, you know, I've hired poor people. Yeah. But I've never worked for a poor person. No, in the mentality of what they say with that. It's just it's bizarre. 17:03  But isn't it funny, but isn't it funny that even though those democrats are themselves wealthy, that that law doesn't apply to them, because they're able to shelter their money and hide it, and steal it from taxpayers. So like, Nancy Pelosi is against you owning a gun, but she has hired guns surrounding her. She's against building a wall on the southern border, but she has a wall all the way around her property. 17:28  So Is that wrong? Yeah. Is that wrong for the church to stand up and say, Well, I see you as you're making laws, and you're the government, you're the government officials. Why is it that wrong for churches to stand up and, and speak that out and say that in the pulpit wrong, 17:47  Gary, it's wrong if they don't, yeah, Jane says in James 417. If you know to do good, and you don't do it, you've sinned. In a republic, citizens are the masters, but if they don't do their job, tyrants are more than happy to step in and do it for him. So when Jesus says render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's in America, Caesar is the people. So if you're going to obey Jesus command to render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's you've got to be engaged in government at the citizen level, because that's what a Republic is. So your face obeying the commands of the Lord. 18:23  Wow, I'll say that again. I've never heard that that that because when you think of Caesar, you think of Oh, the bad guy. You know, because we're a republic. We are Caesar, we 18:33  are Caesar. So when Jesus says render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's if he was speaking in America today, then he's saying, citizen, do your job, because in America, since we have a republic of by and for the people, then we are Caesar. So the Christian that doesn't do their job is disobeying the command of Jesus to render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's. So we're sending the Christian that doesn't vote in America, the Christian that doesn't speak out on these issues, the preacher that doesn't bring the biblical perspective on an institution that is of God and is found all throughout Scripture. I mean, I've challenged people show me an Old Testament hero that wasn't involved in government at some level. Show me one. 19:22  Didn't Jesus deal with the government half his life anyway? I mean, it wasn't. Of course he did. He was constantly failing when 19:28  he even refused to submit to these Sabbath laws because they were they were unbiblical. Even though the Sabbath laws were as binding as the other Roman laws. Jesus didn't submit to all the laws. He didn't submit to those that were improper. He refused to do it. So he wasn't a rebel. He's the Lord. He's sinless. But show me one Old Testament hero that wasn't involved in government. You can't find one. I mean, Esther. Abraham, Abraham fought a war to To go free lot, I was Moses, Joshua, and they go through the list Daniel hit, you can't hardly find any. Because the job of the Christian is to be engaged and be salt and light in the culture. And governance is a key ingredient of the culture. It's not all that there is in the culture. And I'm not suggesting that all of the answers are found in government. But I am telling you, that government is 1/3 of what God instituted so that we could live civilly on this planet. And if you don't address that, 1/3 that 1/3 goes to hell. I mean, literally hell in a handbasket. And if it's government, think of the damage that it does. If it's the home if we don't address the home, and it goes to hell in a handbasket. What happens in America? well over half of the minorities in America, over half of their pregnancies are from unwed mothers, we can see what's happening in America, look at the divorce rate. Okay, so if you don't address the church, from a biblical perspective, what happens to the church, it goes to hell in a handbasket. What's happened to the church in America. So what preachers are doing these days and they've been doing it for two or three decades, they preach Christian psychology, what they're basically preaching is self help gospel, about how you can be a better you how you can have your best life now, how you can have five steps to success, three steps to this four ways to do that. And yeah, the Bible does teach how we can be a better us. But what the Bible really teaches is how we're to be holy instead of happy, and how holy people stand up against evil. And what's happening in America right now is evil. It is wicked. Nancy Pelosi is one of the most wicked women to ever be in governance in America. And I would say that if she was a Republican, I don't care that she's a Democrat. In the end. She's one of the most wicked individuals, Chuck Schumer, same way. Joe Biden has been wicked. All of his political life is just that now he's kind of mentally diminished and people kind of feel sorry for him. Go back and listen or read, listen to or read the things that Joe Biden used to say back when he was mentally, all together. He's a wicked person. Kamala Harris is so bad. She was the first one to drop out of the Democratic primary. She's a wicked individual, these people are wicked Bill Clinton is a wicked, immoral whoremonger according to Scripture. You know, Hillary Clinton is a turncoat liar. I mean, according to Scripture, I'm not saying that I'm attacking them personally. Jesus can save them but the Bible calls liars people that are going to be in the lake of fire. 22:51  So we need sorry that I'm so No, no, there's nothing to be sorry for because that's hail and brimstone. And we haven't heard that and 50 years, you know, well, 23:01  you know, you read in the book of Revelation it says, all liars will have their partner like a fire. Well, that's liars. That's Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton. They're liars. You know, all of those who practice sexual immorality. So you go to First Corinthians six, when Paul lists the people aren't going to be in heaven. He lists drunks, thieves, liars. Now, yeah, he lists the sexually immoral, he lists them right along in the sexually aberrant. But he but if you look at the list closely, you'll find yourself on it. I found myself on the list. That's why I need Jesus. But these people that walk around claiming to be Christians, and on their way to heaven and their habitual liars, or their adulterers are adulterous is whether homosexual or lesbian Scripture says they're not going to be in heaven. 23:42  Did you watch it the way that leads to life is narrow. Did you hear the the new governor of New York or is it whoever took grief? Yes. And he starts talking about God, God brought, you know, God's saving us with this vaccine and God, this and God that like, Okay, I need to find out what church she goes to, because what she's spouting is so demonic. 24:08  Well, Gary, what she's done is she's created a god in her own image. That's what the Romans one talks about. Romans one talks about a fallen culture that redefines God in human terms. That's exactly what they do. They're talking about God, all right, but it didn't the God of the Bible. And if it is the god listed in the Bible, it's his name is Satan. These people are ministers of Satan is what they are. 24:32  Yeah, no, no. You're getting me riled up, because that's what I want to hear. That's what I want to hear in the pulpit. That's where we're at. That is 24:42  Fairview come to Fairview Baptist Church. And you'll hear it every Sunday. All the people can come to one of the churches that are going to have me do the black robe and they'll hear this stuff. 24:54  Yeah, any any pastor this, listen to this, I encourage you to reach out to him and let's talk We'll talk about your, your, your boot camp. But yeah, reach out to reach out to Dan, we'll have all the show notes and stuff, but to, to get educated to learn about this to, to sit down, have a meal and pray with, with Dan and to just really start looking at where our country is and what the passion of this, this black road regimen is, and, and just getting educated on history and and listen to what God's saying, but I just encourage anybody, you know, at this point right now to do that, as well as to the reach Look at his website. But talk to us about your boot camp, which, you know, what's the solution? I mean, we could probably I know I can go on for hours talking about planning and just getting riled up. Sure, you know, Holy Spirit, we got to pray to the Holy Spirit in our secret place. We've got to, you know, trust in Him, because, really, there's a question. Yes. And it's like, well, who can we trust him? We don't trust I don't trust anybody anymore. I used to, you know, you have some faith and faith and law and faith in the medical field. Well, that's out the window. Yeah, the land trust that. So we've always trust. If you're Christian, you always trust in Jesus and God, the Holy Spirit. But we're at a point where it's becoming real. It's not just something we read. It's real. It affects us deeply. So right solution. What's your solution for pastors? And how do 26:30  I believe there are two solutions, one of them is still far more controversial than the other. We can talk about it if you want to politically but spiritually, I believe the solution is pastors have got to reengage, we have got to have a modern version of the black robe regiment. And remember, again, that that black robe title was given by the British not as a compliment, but but as condemnation. When they captured these preachers out on the battlefield. I don't know if you know it, but they they execute most of them. Even while they're trying to surrender. I tell the story in my presentation of a preacher named john Rosberg, they executed him on the battlefield, he's trying to surrender to them. But we've got to have a new, we've got to have the spirit of the black robe regiment today. preachers have got to begin to engage, they've got to preach the whole counsel of God, not just the parts that they know people want to hear. They've got to preach the tough parts, too. And that's hard for me to do. Because it cuts me just like it cuts everybody else, the Word of God is alive and powerful, sharper than a double edged sword, the book of Hebrews says, so it's going to cut us when we preach it. But that's how we become closer to what God wants us to be. But so so my solution is to get pastors to engage. So the guy that I co pastor with, there's two pastors in our church, Paul Blair, and myself, we've been working together for years now we're in the same church together. Because we travel and speak so much. We have started doing what we call a Liberty pastors boot camp, or a Liberty pastors training camp. And by the way, you want to put that website up there to Liberty, pastures calm, okay, they can go to the website and find out where we're going to do the next camp. We're working on scheduling some right now. But what that camp is, is it's a three day boot camp, and I mean boot camp, we begin it by me doing the black robe Regiment, the whole deal. But anyway, we teach pastors, the nuts and bolts, and we asked them to bring their wives with them, and we put them up for three days, they pay a nominal registration fee, and donors pay the overwhelming majority of the whole cost they get in, they get a kind of a three day vacation in a really swanky place with meals and everything. But we teach them the nuts and bolts of what it means to be a black robe, preacher, and how to do that in their churches and why it is so critical. And I would encourage any pastor to come that's listening, or if there's a church member listening, and they want to encourage their pastor to come. There are many guys that were at our last camp. We had about 100 pastors and then their wives. We had men there who the church members sent them, they heard about it, and they put the money together and sent the pastor. So we we train these men, and when they come out of there, they have no excuse. They know how to be a black robe preacher. Now it's time to do it. And they also become part of a network of guys that we've trained. We've trained over 700 preachers around the country, and they become a network. They become a part of a network. And we do continuing education, we'll do webinars and other things that they can take advantage of, to continue their learning and sharpen you know, As iron sharpens iron, we all need to get better and so we do it together. 29:42  Do you have somebody in the Nashville area that you know, necessary? 29:47  We, I don't know if we've had pastors from the Nashville area, the Bible. We'd love to do one in Tennessee. We're working on doing one right now in Missouri. Arkansas. So that's pretty close to you. We just finished one in Houston, Texas, we've done them as far away as Miami, Florida. So yeah, yeah, we're so if you know somebody in your area would be interested in helping to host one, we'd love to come to the center of Tennessee and put on one it'd be, it'd be wonderful. 30:22  Well, I'll see what I can get going on something like that. Okay, great. That's contracting needed. definitely needed. Well, I know we could keep going for hours. But be respectful of your time. But so what's what's a final parting word that you would give to us as we listen to the individual, the individual person in the congregation that hears this that might be stirred, to want to get back a little bit more of learning what they can do, because I get overwhelmed when I think about everything that's going on in this country? And and where do I, you know, where do I start? I've got you know, some people have wife and kids. And of course, I do, too, but they're grown. But yeah, they have families and jobs. And it's like, I just don't have enough time. And then when I do have time, I just want to decompose from the world, because all I hear is the bad stuff going on. And everybody's on Facebook. And and yeah, we're getting canceled in every place we can go. But that's part of the remnant is that the remnant? is what's coming out of this. There's, yeah, there's the masses aren't getting it? 31:29  No, they're not? Well, what I would say to the individual person is that you either go to fight, or you're going to lose it all. Look what's beginning to happen with people who refuse to take the shot, whether or not the shots a good thing is a different argument. But I'm definitely against the government forcing you to take a shot, but what's happening to them, now they're losing their jobs. So not engaging, not engaging, is going to come to all of us. So they neither sit in a house and decompress or go do their hobbies, and stay out of the fight, but the fights coming to them. So it's just a matter of time, I would say to people in the church. First of all, you need to learn this history, not all of it, none of us have mastered it. But learn enough of it that you know what you're talking about. And then make sure that your pastor is engaged in doing this, if he isn't go to him and asking to give him the materials, challenge him. If he won't engage, get out of there, go find a church where the pastor will engage, be a part of a congregation, that's going to make a difference. Now, granted, we want to preach the gospel, and we want people to be saved. But we also want to be salt and light. And you can't separate that you can't just say, we want to get people saved. But then that's the end of it. No, that's the beginning of it. That's not the end of it. And so they've got to be in a church where the pastor is going to engage and stand up against evil. The spiritual war is raging. It's whether or not we're going to be faithful and get involved. And if we're not, we're going to answer to the Lord for that. And in short term, we're going to probably answer here in America because the republic that we knew the republic that the framers founded is gone. Now, it still exists in some states, but it doesn't exist in New York, it doesn't exist in some of these states that have given up and the and they have gone left, and we better just recognize that that's where we are. And these people better engage Time is running out. It's running out. 33:29  Yeah. Now, let me go back to something real quick that you'd said you talked about the boot camp, but then you said there's a political aspect whether I want you want to go into it or not. Yeah, cuz I'm, 33:40  I'd be happy to, I believe that the Republic is gone. Now. I really, I believe the republic could be saved in some states. The union is too large to be governed by one government and we're too different. We are I believe irreconcilably divided. It is time for a political separation. I think the framers if they were to come back today, they would be amazed that we have one government governing over 300 million people. That's not the way it was originally designed. The states were sovereign. And the federal government had very limited responsibilities. The states were the ones that were most in charge today. It's the opposite. So you have one monolithic government in DC that's trying to control everything. Well, people in Oklahoma are very different from people in Massachusetts. You can't pass the same laws that people of Massachusetts want to murder preborn babies in Oklahoma. We want to save them. But we're being forced by a federal government that's out of control. So I think it's time for like minded states to stand up and say either you back off, or we're pulling out. I mean, it's just time and I don't mean a war. nobody's talking about shooting at people. You don't have to have a war to politically separate. It's happening. All over the world, Scotland nearly separated from Great Britain A few years ago, Great Britain just pulled out of the EU, Catalonia is working on separating from Spain, that the the right of free association is one of our rights from God. And the original states would have never joined the union if they thought they were stuck and couldn't get out, and would even be forced to go against their own religious beliefs. This is why Texas, for instance, insisted when they joined the union, that they remain a republic and could pull out at any time. This is why it's called the Republic of Texas. And they even put in their ratification papers that they could divide Texas up into as many as five states. That's in their agreement. That's it That's in their agreement. So it's time we can't be, we can live peaceably with people like Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden, but you can't be under their government, not if you're a conservative, not your Christian, these people are Marxists. And to sit here and worship some nostalgic America that used to exist and go down with them, like going down with the Titanic is not only insane, it's a sin. It's a dereliction of duty. Thomas Jefferson even said in the Declaration of Independence, that when government ceases to do its primary function, the citizens have three steps that they can take, I call it DEF CON, three, two and one. They can either alter it, abolish it, or throw it off. But they not only have the right he says in the declaration to do that they have the duty to do that. We're there. I believe we're at DEF CON one. 36:41  Yeah. And you think about what, when you said that I was thinking about Okay, we had the Puritans or separatists. This effort is that what the pilgrims were that's where we're, that's where we're at. We're at the separatist place, getting away from England, get away and in America is at the same place to get away from this government that's in charge. That's exactly right. Yeah, exactly. And there, but there's nowhere to go. Yeah, well, you don't, there's not another country, we 37:11  don't have to go you pull out, you create a different government. If Jefferson was not saying did you have to go to some deserted island, he was saying you pull up the Declaration of Independence was a secession document, they were seceding from Great Britain, we celebrate it. It's what it was, they were breaking. In fact, he says when it becomes necessary to, to break the political bonds that have tied two peoples together, when it becomes necessary to do that. Sometimes that becomes necessary. And I believe we need to try to save the republic in as many states as we can. And I think there's about 25 or 26 states that would do it. It's time to do it. If we don't do it pretty soon, Gary, they're going to have is painted into a corner, it's going to be checkmate. And we're done. 37:57  Right. And if we're not standing up at this hour, then years down the road, when we have grandkids, they're gonna be wondering, what what were you doing doing during what were you 38:08  doing? Well, most of us won't because would be dead? Yeah. Like, they'll excuse? 38:13  Yeah. And the older I get the more I think, Well, you know, it's, it's not my problem, you know, but you bet it's your problem. It's definitely my problem. And you may have got to do that. And I think the calls are problem. Yeah, the call that you're putting out there for, for educating pastors and helping them along, and just waking up the church and waking up the people to understand where we really are. And I think looking back at our history is so, so important, you know, because we are repeating the history, and we are maybe too late. And only through and only through God can will we know in a few years, but we've got to do something 38:54  well, even even if it's too late, we got to go down swing and Gary. And again, when I use these terms, I'm not talking about shooting at people. I'm talking about fighting the good fight, the spiritual fight the political fight, that's what I'm talking about. 39:06  And it's important not to be compartmentalizes, what we'll get is was people will say, well, you need to share the gun. It's all about sharing the gospel. The world's coming to an end. Anyway, we know that the end of the story, so we just need to get the gospel spread. Well, that's true, but we still that's building the wall. Yeah, we still need to fight, right? 39:27  Here's what I say. I say if somebody believes that preach the freedom to preach the gospel as the most important thing, then surely the second most important thing is fighting for the right, the freedom to preach the gospel. If preaching the gospel is the most important thing, then the freedom to preach the gospel is the second 39:44  most important thing, and I encourage everybody to wake up, pay attention to what's going on around us. Pay attention to what's happening in Australia. Pay attention to what's happening in Canada. Pay attention what happened in Louisiana, with the pastor down there. What was his name spell, Tony. It's happening in our backyards, and we need to realize that we need to just be awake. You're awake. Oh, Dan, this has been Austin. I could talk for hours. Thank you, Gary. You've got a life to live out there. So 40:13  I'll be back again sometime. I'd love to do it. 40:15  Thanks again. It's been a pleasure. And I'll have all your show notes. So your website again, one more time. 40:21  Dan Fisher, b. r r.com. 40:24  And you got two books out there. Yes. 40:27  bringing back the black robe Regiment, and unlimited submission with a question mark. 40:32  I'll get those on the show, my friend. Appreciate it, sir. It's been a pleasure. 40:37  Thanks again for listening to this episode of remnant revolution. If you liked what you heard, please leave a comment and rating in iTunes and Google Play. This helps us get heard by more people. And don't forget to share the podcast with your friends and family. Be sure to visit WWW dot remnant revolution.org to join the conversation, access the show notes and keep up to date on important events and programming. To catch all the latest from me. You can follow me on Instagram at remnant revolution. Until next time, armor up, stand up and speak up. Transcribed by https://otter.ai 

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Gary Duncan  0:13  Welcome to the remnant revolution podcast. I'm Gary Duncan, your host, and I got a special guest with me today. Todd. Kakinada. Oh, is that how I'll say it correctly?Gary Duncan  0:43  you have got to check out this guy. This pasture. He's, he's the forefront. He's the spearhead of a really a revolution of the remnant church, and I want you to go to his way. His podcast is called the Todd koken Auto Show. Yep. You can find it on any, any application, apple, big Spotify, all those I listened to him all the time. He's on fire for God, I'm telling you. And he's been at this a whole lot longer than I have. And I'm just honored to have him on the show. We're gonna talk a little bit about really what, God asked me a question. this past Sunday morning, while I was in my secret place, and I love the fact you, you hammer down that that secret place time with the Lord. And so I just got a word and pull it up real quick. And he just asked me, and this has been on my mind thinking for quite a long time. And that's why I want you on the show. Because I might just throw a bunch of questions at you and try to ease my answers. He asked me, where's my church? Where's my people? And I said, wrote down, I said is the church about a message, or a movement, the message of teaching and studying and sermon, that's a message we hear. But what we need in this day and time is a movement of prayer. of, of prophecy, words of knowledge, flowing in the Holy Spirit worship. All the fivefold ministry of the church needs to be running at all. Five cylinders. It's teaching prophecy, words of knowledge. I get a little stumbled on my words sometimes but but all of those are action words, action words, and I don't see that happening. I'm really discouraged and and as I hear you, you really bring the up, you help lift me up. In this time they were in about the church and calling us to arms. This is what this whole thing is about calling to arms. A podcast is built on Ephesians 610 through 320. You know, we don't wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities. And you've got to be blind as a bat if you don't see that the spiritual evil is crushing the church in this country and we need people like you taught out there screaming at the rooftops. So tell me what's going on in your world? I mean, give us some hope. We really do I need to hear where's the remnant church? Where is Todd Coconato  3:21  the church? Now? It's a great question, Gary. And I just I'm really thankful to be on and honored to be on your program. Thank you for what you're doing. And I really believe as we said before we came on I believe God's connecting is remnant you know, it's like a it's like a remnant an underground railroad is how I see it, where God is connecting, keep people that are pressing in deeper all around the nation and world. And I believe he's setting something up for the future. So it's a great question, what where's the body? You know, where where is the body? So I think what's happening is a very interesting time right now. I mean, it's really unlike anything I've ever seen. Probably anything. I'm like, you know, you've ever seen anybody that's listening. We're in a shaking period where the church is literally being shaken. And I think that God is allowing this for several different reasons. But one of the reasons one of the, one of the things that's happening as a result of this is there's a separation of what like, I like to refer to what the Bible says is that wheat from the chaff or the sheep from the goats, or the sheep from the sheep, there's a there's a big separation that's happening right now. And I think that the Lord is going to use this for His glory. But, you know, let's just be honest, we got really apathetic as the body we, we got comfortable. And for many years, I believe people were really seeking that seeker-friendly ism, which, you know, I mean, I understand the concept of seeker-friendly churches, I understand it, but you know, a lot of people have sat in churches and I know this because this is we've talked to so many people who have just affirmed this affirm this affirm this, but they've sat in the churches, 10 years, 15 years, 20 years, and yet they've never really been taught about spiritual warfare. they've not been taught About deliverance. they've not been taught about some of the things that you were mentioning the fivefold ministry gifting how to operate those things. And so when I think in the Lord's infinite mercy he knew that if we were to go right into like the tribulation let's say right now, we're not ready we're not ready as a Western church at all. So what I perceive this from a spiritual standpoint is we look through a biblical lens of what possibly could be happening I see this is actually the Lord's grace as painful as this is as crazy of a time it is it is we're still able to technically have most of our freedoms, you know, I'm still able to go and preach on Sunday without some Staci person or you know, somebody said, Hey, you can't you know, so I can still speak the full you know, ultimately I'm going to go to the bank later today I'm going to run some errands, you know, I'm still for the most part here in the United States a free person right? But of course, we're seeing an infringement on our rights and religious liberties in the constitution we'll get to some of that. But so we're in this like, it's like a middle. It's kind of a weird, you know, because we're seeing tyranny try to push itself on us we're seeing you know, the spirit of antichrist rising, many of us are very concerned about many of the developments in the world, but at the same time, it still hasn't happened to where some of these things that we're we're hopefully won't happen but we're seeing could develop wars it hasn't yet so we're in this like, middle period, I think it's the Lord's grace to teach us and allow us to become true remnant warriors to become people that understand how to go deeper how to present how to go to the secret place, how to understand the word of God and hide it in our heart. And so you know, if we're if we're in alignment with the perfect world, the Lord right now we're hearing from the Holy Spirit. That's what the Lord is telling us go deeper pressin pray this through, you know, certain things that the Lord has spoke to me and I believe to many of you. So that's what I feel that is are so so the body, it's almost like we're coming out from among them. We're coming out from the church of Laodicea, we're coming out from compromise. We're coming out from apathy, we're coming out from complacency. And we're developing into the church without smart, no Reiko which is the church that the Lord will come back for hungering and thirsting for righteousness, like the church of Philadelphia. So that's what I see happening, if that makes sense. You know, Gary Duncan  7:18  one thing that as you're saying that there, it's almost like, as you're trying to come out of this, where there you might be in a church, that's not really speaking of the time that we're in. And there's almost a sense of oppression of people that believe in a more activist way or, or just more political way of like, Look, this is what's going on our country and the church in talking about it. And we're not hearing it from the Pope. It's not like today I just read I think it was an Epoch Times that, that the house just passed a bill that pretty much says I'm going to do undo abortion, I mean, to the extent that you're like, this is barbarism is right. And to me, the church in general the church that should be the first topic of discussion that come this Sunday, right? Because I'm like, you know what, where's the church when we're killing babies by the millions? And and and we're allowing this evil administration to push this stuff? You know, I get I get hit up all the time. Because, you know, I'm too political, you know, we can't talk about it. Well, we're in the shape are in because the church has bowed out of this culture. And we have not engaged in this culture. And that's why this your podcast, and what you're doing in your ministry, and I'll just gives me hope is that that message is got to get out God put on my heart five years ago about a battleship, you know, and what is the battleship? Do, it destroys things, it destroys evil, but we're stuck in a harbor a broken down harbor somewhere, and just stuck. And we're, we're created to fight to fight for this unsaved and to fight for the last, and we're not, and I'm confused, as guilty as Xeni. And we just need that Holy Spirit far to get us going. So talk a little bit about the pasture in Canada. I followed him somewhat. And then, man, I mean, if we don't if the church doesn't see what's going on right now, right? What's gonna happen in five years or 10 years, when they permanent closes down? You know, YouTube, right now YouTube has said, anything with the vaccine that they feel like is false information, they're going to shut it down. What are they? What about when they decide that anything that's preached of God's word, we're going to shut it down, is at that point that we're going to stand up and start raising the little you know what, Todd Coconato  9:50  right, right. I know, at what point is enough? Well, you're saying and see that resonates with me and it resonates with what I call remnant people because it's like, we all have This urgency like I could sit next to you on a plane, maybe I never met you before. And then you know, you're speaking my language because the Lord speaking similar things. It's amazing even some of the things you just said. But you know, I think the problem, there's so many, but one of them is this whole separation of church and state nonsense. That was a letter to the Danbury Baptist Church from Thomas Jefferson, he was saying that the government was going to stay out of the churches business. And this is unfortunately we've embraced this. And there's a lot of people worried about their 501 c three, and they think that if they speak politically, but first of all, that's not going to happen. Number one, and if it does, oh, well, you know, that's how I look at it. Like, if the Lord, you know, somehow allows that to happen with me, then you know what, I'm not going to change one day. Exactly, like I'm speaking now. And I'll just say, well, Lord is gonna take care of my needs, according to his riches and glory, and near takes care of the birds there, and the fish in the sea is gonna take care of me, and that's it, I'm gonna keep going. But we better kill these fears. Because the whole thing is these are not political issues. When you mentioned abortion, that's the killing of the innocent, you know, we're talking in the tunes of millions 60 What is it 65 million babies that have been killed since Roe v. Wade, here in the United States. 65 million, think about that amount of lives. And the same people that are saying they care about life. And that's why you have to take this vaccine are the same people that could care less about that. That number that I just mentioned, in New York City, there's more African American babies that are killed each year on an annual basis that are born. And these are not political issues. These are issues of morality and biblical, common sense. You know, these are things that we need to be speaking, but for whatever reason, and so they've taken these issues like abortion, like marriage, like gender, all these different things that are biblical issues based on the Word of God. And then people are saying their political now but we have to put it back in perspective. These are not political, these are issues that the word of God talks about the we as pastors and with people of God doesn't matter if your pastor or not, we have to speak about these things. And this is what empowers us. So you know, we got to understand that we can't be censored or silenced now because to your point if we allow this encroachment on our first amendment right, and by the way, our Second Amendment our third amendment because they're coming from all you better believe that the more we give the more they'll take and freedom is not easily won back it's if you go to any you know, national graveyard around the country, you see all those white, you know, headstones there, those are people that fought for this nation that has a cost. And so if we just sit here and think it's not going to come to our doorstep, I guarantee you person to God, it will come this, they already think biblical Christianity is hate. Okay, I said something very Matter of fact, the other day I said, Jesus would not take the vaccine, Jesus would not wear a mask. I had mainstream media quoting me and saying that I was an extremist, because I said that how ridiculous I mean, Jesus is the king of kings, the Lord of lords. He doesn't need a chemical substance from a billion dollar pharmaceutical company, he doesn't need to we he he played hands on the sick, he touched the lepers and healed them. And he says, By the way that we can do the same and so I think there needs to be a real aha moment here. Like you said, Gary, where people understand that you know what, we've got it we've got to speak out on these things, and we got to push back and if we don't, then I'm going to tell you we're gonna lose our freedoms here. Gary Duncan  13:14  We're gonna we're gonna end up like Arthur, right? Arthur up in Canada, tell us a little bit how's he How's he doing? Todd Coconato  13:20  So he's, he's a dear friend, I was just with him. His name is Pastor, Pastor Archer palacky and he is the pastor of St. Church Canada. And what happened with him is during the initial stages of the pandemic, he you know, he's he's a Polish descent and he lived through the former Soviet Union and he you know, saw a very similar eerie he was like, I can't believe this is happening in Canada. I can't you know, so he decided to have services and I don't know if you guys recall the viral video where the police actually came to his church and he was like, Nazis Nazis. Gary Duncan  13:53  I love that one. Yeah, I love this powerful Todd Coconato  13:55  man and I'll tell you, you know what, they actually listened and they left that day, but they did come back and eventually arrest him and the charges that he's been facing are the most ridiculous of charges they're about assembling together with the saints You know, they're about baptizing his daughter just things that you know should not be I mean it's unbelievable that this is considered criminal in this day and age but there's so you know, he was in the states and he went around to like, Oh my gosh, so many meetings and churches and gatherings and just warned Americans look this is what's happening in Canada and this is coming from America just like it's happening in Australia it's happening Israel and so he's been warning but you know what happened was Gary, he had to go back because he had to face his giants and he felt like if I didn't go back then I would be a hypocrite because I can bring my wife and family down here but he really felt like you know he's been out there saying Fight Fight Stan, Stan, he's got to go so he went home on I think it was Sunday evening. And it was like a middle of the night You know, he got you got arrested right when he got on the tarmac. You know, they said he had no warrants, but apparently miraculously, all the sudden there was warrants and And they arrested him for like not wearing a mask and some pending charge or something. And so then he's in the in the jail cell. And he said that people came and they were blowing the show far outside. And he was in the jail cell healing, hearing the show far. And, you know, miraculously again, this was a real miracle. You know, they let him out that night in the middle of the night. And so he was able to go home and spend some time with his family, but he is still waiting, his sentencing on those other pending charges right now. So we're gonna have to see how it develops. But everybody needs to watch this. This is a western country very similar to the United States, a pastor. And by the way, we've had this happen here in the United States, to where pastors have been arrested, and fined. And and so it should be a big alarm bell for all of us, as we watch this, we need to be praying for him. Gary Duncan  15:47  Yes, yeah. Now, is it do you see a difference between kind of we're in we're both in Nashville, and the Bible Belt, as they call it? Do you see a difference in just the, the mentality, the, the vocal pneus of the churches here versus in California, wherever we're kind of where you've traveled a lot. Because I feel like we're in this bubble of everything. It's weird. It's because I feel like I'm in a different world than, and the only one way you find out if there's a different world, you have to go on YouTube, you have to read the Epoch Times and these things, and you have to learn about what's going on across the street behind. And a lot of people say, Well, don't worry, that's not your business, you know, you just need to work on your stay with your family, and just stay in your little bubble. And I'm gonna have grandkids one day, and I don't want them to look back and go, well, Daddy, what did you do when all communism took over the country? Well, I was going fishing and join live watching, you know, we went to a soccer game last night and, you know, it's just, it's just a different world. And, and you, it's kind of like, you can't go back to that, you know, so many times, I want to just say, heck with it all. I'm just gonna go to church, say my thing and go home and live my life. Right? And that's so much of an easy road. Todd Coconato  17:05  Yeah, no, we can't, we got it, we got to be active. The Bible says occupy until he comes Faith without works is dead. We are in a battle, the battle is a battle of light versus darkness. It's not republican versus Democrat, it couldn't be more clear. And if you're not seeing it, I would highly encourage you to go into prayer, and ask the Holy Spirit to show you with, you know, eyes understanding and wisdom and discernment. Because this is key Gary, we've got to be walking in discernment right now. And understand that there is a massive increase in this, I like to call it the spirit of antichrist. You know, I really believe that's what it is where we're seeing our is late. And, you know, this, the ultimate thing is they want to come after biblical Christianity. That's, that's really what this comes down to. And you better believe it's coming, like a freight train. And, you know, I can tell you, I mean, there's some things that I've said recently, publicly, that I've noticed that have gotten media attention, that are just basic core doctrine of Christianity. But unfortunately, you know, these things are now being called extremist hate speech. And so we have to understand we're gonna have to hold the line here. And I know a lot of people, you know, quote, quote, different scriptures, and you know, Romans 13, and things, you know, we have to obey the government. But you know, you don't obey the government, when the government causes you to go against the Word of God, the Word of God is the authority. And by the way, the law of this land is the Constitution. It's not these tyrannical ordinances. You know, the way that the system is set up here in the States, at least, is, you know, the Congress is supposed to make the laws, the state legislators are supposed to make the laws, not some person in you know, it's overreaching their position and making some ordinance around the regular structure of law. And that's what's happened here is that they're going against the Constitution, Gary, and I'll tell you, we've been fighting this entire time, you know, for pastors that have come under attack, and I've gotten fined. And when it gets to the Supreme Court, they end up winning because you know, we have the right to gather we have the right to assemble. And by the way, the Bible says do not forsake the assembling together the brother and so you know, we're meant to assemble we have that right, according to constitution. The Constitution is the law of the land. And, you know, by the way, our founders believed in unalienable rights, which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, they believe these rights were given to us by God, not by government, by God. And so thank God for our founders. And thank God that they made our laws in the in a system of government where the three branches to also the states have a lot of power and a lot of rights. And that's why you're not seeing some of the very egregious things that you're seeing in Australia and Canada and other places. Because these governors like Governor Lee, for instance, and others, they have authority to push back against the tyrannical mandates that are unconstitutional. So that's what we're seeing play out here. I mean, obviously, Rhonda Sanders has been very vocal, you know, you have Texas Governor, I mean, there's some that have been out there more than others, Kristi, noem, but but you know, for the most part, that's what We have to be pushing back on the local level and on the state level and and realizing what the constitution actually says. And understanding those unalienable rights. Gary Duncan  20:09  Yes. And you're the president of the religious liberties coalition. Yes. And a nonprofit National Coalition of pastors and ministry leaders. So if you weren't familiar with Rick green and the Patriot Academy, guys, yeah, okay. Yeah, I've, our couple of our people in our church have been taken biblical citizenship class, oh, it'll, it'll blow your mind. I'm like, I'm kind of ashamed of how ignorant I was of the Constitution and how our country was, was founded. And that is such an awesome, just class that teaches you really, that God created this country and ends from the pilgrims all the way up. And they have a constitution live class that we're going through is well, it's a little more in depth. But I'm telling you it the church is a sovereign entity of this country. And I think it was Madison maybe that said, that there's two principal founding principles of our country and its morality and religion. And he said, if those two fall we're done with, well, what are we dealing with? We're dealing with horrible morality, and they're attacking our religion. And so you know, just as a as a what do you do in that specific? Are you tell a little bit about I guess the religious liberty coalition and what you're doing Todd Coconato  21:30  there you know, we had I like to call it the trifecta saga remnant dot news, which is a blog site about news that the mainstream media is not reporting on, we can get information out I got tide, coconut calm and the podcast and then we have the religious liberty coalition. And the coalition is really meant to empower pastors and people that are in ministry positions to know they're not alone. There used to be something called the black robe Regiment, and if you're here that day, but yes, Dan Fisher, basically, yeah, we're in need of a black robe friendship. And today, we're pastors understand, this isn't about politics. We're not out here being some big political people. But we're standing for the common sense morality, biblical morality and the values that this nation was founded on this nation. Actually, we made a covenant to God. And this nation was established in that covenant, a covenant to God. And so we have to return to that return I really believe we need to repent. You know, I've been reading Joel chapter two, which is amazing and also Second Chronicles 714 quite a bit. But I believe we need to turn from our wickedness and returned our first love Jesus Christ. And you know, something else that we should all take note of. There was a guy named Dietrich Bonhoeffer and he was a pastor in Nazi Germany right before the Nazis really gained power and then during that time, and he had a vision from the Lord and he was concerned at what he saw happening where the Jews were being singled out and they were basically being you know, people were being told they're you know, they're unhealthy they're they're the problem they're that you know, financially the problem. And so every all societies, you know, qualms was basically blamed on the Jews and the people were buying anyway, the church was buying anyway. And Dietrich Bonhoeffer was saying, No, no, that something's very wrong here. And he was kind of like, Voice in the Wilderness. But the problem is, even though there were some people that were willing to stand with him, there wasn't enough, Gary. And what happened was, he ended up dying, and being a martyr, and only right before the Allies actually came in and where he was he I mean, literally a couple of weeks in between, he would he would live, but he stood for something. And we need to learn because history tends to repeat itself. And we have to learn from history, the Bible says there's nothing new under the sun, what we're seeing and experiencing right now is a very similar thing, where the unvaccinated people are being called out, you know, we're being told we're lower, you know, lower class now, you know, treat the vaccinated first, you know, and, you know, health insurance is going to be more expensive if you're unvaccinated, and you could lose your job. And you have to have these vaccine passports. I mean, this is a caste system that they're trying to put into, into effect here. And, you know, there's something called the Nuremberg Code, by the way, which completely goes against this, which by the way we signed on to, so these are very, very scary things. And if people aren't seeing this, I'm concerned because I think you know, we really need to see this. And for what it is, and now is the time to stand and when people do stand up, and they push back, it shows these tyrants it's a very small group of elites, it shows them that you know what, we're not gonna we're not gonna stand for this, we're more than you. There's more of us, when we start saying no, when we stand up is when this stops. So I think that everybody should see there's a major urgency we should be sounding the alarm, like you said, on the rooftops right now, saying, look, we can stop this. But if we do nothing, we're gonna go into full blown tyranny very soon here. And it could take us into many, many years of darkness. And so, you know, it's a defining moment. It's a defining moment. I'm believing and I'm hopeful that the saints of God that the remnant are going to rise up and they're going to call upon the name of the Lord and going to repent like Nineveh instead of Sodom and Gomorrah, and that we're going to do what we're meant to do and then we're going to see a true if my people know I'm here in the United States and subsequently around the world. But we need to do this if we don't do it. We're in trouble, Gary. Gary Duncan  25:07  Yeah, great, great word. I know you got to be running here. And I do appreciate your time. And all it's a call to arms. It's like in the book of Nehemiah where they're, they're building the wall. And with one hand, they got a trial that they're building with and the other hand, they got a sword and I feel like that's where we are. And it's and basically what I'm seeing is just the churches building. They're not they're not warring in the other hand, and it's tough because I see the other side I see people that may not necessarily be the model Christian are out front, you know, out front talking about it, and I'm like, and I keep hearing that worse. The church verse, I'm the church, you're the church, every individual is the church they have the fivefold ministry within them the Holy Spirit within them so they can be doing this but we need leaders that will help us lead the charge you know if we're if we don't see them then maybe we become the leader and hope through the Holy Spirit we can do that. I'm just one person, you know, excuse me, so what can I do? You know, kind of creative so I started podcasts and that's you know, hopefully we'll get me as a people listening but you know, one person standing on the wall you know, we've got to stand each person has their own calling for the wall to be on that wall. And you're on the forefront here this to me, you're the spearhead of the remnant church and I definitely appreciate what you do and everybody needs to go check out his Instagram, your telegram, I'll have all this in the show notes which Instagram telegram, and especially your podcast, because it's definitely one to hear. And to one to be inspired with. And just God bless you, sir. And keep up. Todd Coconato  26:47  I appreciate you, man. I'm so thankful that we're connected. And I know the Lord is doing some special and thank you for your heart to do so you know, this is it man. People say everyday, what can I do? What can I do? And exactly what you're doing is answering the call upon your life, you know, of getting out there being a voice. You know, there's so many different things we can do. There's certain things that God has given us as a body, go out, make disciples, baptize them in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, teach them the ways of the Word of God. But you know, all of us have individual calls to have things that we can do. And so whatever your question is, you say, Todd, I don't know what to do. You know, ask the Lord call upon the Lord. I believe he's going to give you visions and dreams. And And so anyway, thank you, Gary, for having me on. I appreciate it, man. Gary Duncan  27:28  Appreciate it. Thank you, sir. Todd Coconato  27:30  Thank you.   

Well, if we got a few more minutes let's get it let's actually get into it a little bit more about the Disney connection here. And with the firefighters I know you're being you're kind of becoming an activist and helping people and in fighting against so let's get into that part about what what's going on with the Disney part and and these people potentially losing their job. When's the date for this to actually happen? Because I'm just wondering,had to get their first shot with Pfizer and Madonna already to be compliant. The j&j shot is October Six to be compliant on October 22. I'm being told that people are being cast members employees are being told to have their vaccination cards on them. So I don't know how Disney is going to determine when I think they I heard they were extending that first shot for a few people that they would commit to. I'm getting the shot kind of thing and sign off on it. So So It's here. It's here, but we've done a few good victories. Our our attorney here at CCDF. Jeff Childers got the victory and the injunction. Gainesville.Oh, let me tell you. Yeah. I'm glad to sit man. He has got one of the best blog posts I've ever read. Recently. It's on coffee and coffee. Beans and COVID. I think the name of it. Yeah. Oh, it is so good. He's,he's a great guy. He's,I want to get him on the show. He's my next.He really? Yeah, I'veactually reached out to him left a message yesterday.Okay,you got a connection. Hook me up. Yeah, cuz I want to go over that article. It was so right on.Yeah, I'll text you. I'll text you the phone number. Jeff gave me a phone number for okay.And I've got it. I've got it right here. See this? That's part of it. That's one six, I think is part number two. Let me just read this because this is a song about spirit of fear, says here's the thing, a spirit of fear is a spiritual problem. It's not a medical problem. It's not a biological problem. It's not a political problem. And it's not a scientific problem. It's a spiritual problem. If we only had some kind of worldwide organization that was devoted to addressing spiritual problems, we sure could use something like that for a time like this. Let me know if you think of one. I love his humor. Yeah. And I mean, he's so right on. And he takes you know, he, he makes he puts a hard hit on on pastors. He puts a hard hit on Christians. He challenged them. Yeah, very much. So and I'm like, Ron, brother.I was fortunate. I was fortunate to have him on the team. When I decided and to step forward. And, and his his words, he was really encouraging in a lot of ways. But one of his words, were you now you're no longer lukewarm.Okay, yeah, he does speak about that as well. So if with with the, with the mandate, if, if everybody that didn't want to take the jab, just walked out? Would that hurt Disney would that what would that possibly cause them not to be able to run a park or run a ride or cause enough disruption that they would start thinking about what they're doing?Sharing earlier, there's a lot of people and a lot of people I know that are folded already, but against their conscience. And there will have gotten this shot. And I think Disney is counted on that. I know they've hired people and they got them in the wings just waiting to step in. I think prior when this fight started, and just kind of doing some numbers, and because they had offered to pay, and at the time when I had inside information, I think the number was as high as 40% of employees had not reported their vaccination status, and they were paying getting paid like 300 100 bucks to do it. And they weren't reporting. But let's say that was 25%. For people that just didn't want to report it. And then you add to that people that don't want boosters you add to that people that are vaccinated that are standing for freedom, I think the number is somewhere around 40%. We seeing it in the police departments and fire departments as high as 40% 45%. City of Anaheim, the police department we heard from their police union, directly yesterday was 80% of their police officers. So I think 80% don't want to take that don't want to take it. So the numbers are way higher than anybody expects, but they've done such a good job of isolating us keeping people scared to talk out by doing that. And, and I had an interesting conversation about Nicki Minaj, the rapper who's who just asked him what everybody attacked her. And somebody suggested like that was just show I said, What do you mean? Well, by get her getting attacked, and people seeing that attack, you know, that keeps them in check. It keeps people in check. And when I talk to people, they're just scared I had a family reach out to me that wanted me to help them and they were willing to do an interview and we set up a press conference last week and they were no shows. And when I called them I said we need you you know we need we have the whole Haitian community is a large one and they feel betrayed by their pastors in their churches, they feel betrayed by Disney and by the unions. And yet nobody shown just you know, not not the representation that they that that people and when one of the people who was was the late liaison, he talked to me after and I could hear this fear in his voice that I didn't hear and there's just this irrational fear spirit of fear that's taking over people because they realize they can lose everything. Right and and And I understand when you got family, you got kids. But this is the time where faith is everything. And likeabout these people coming across the border, they're willing to risk everything to come to this country, everything, their lives everything, America, people like us, we've got too much to lose to fight. And that's the problem. We don't, we've lost, we're in a culture, we've raised a bunch of people in the last 50 years, that aren't willing to lose it all. And that's unfortunate. We're the generation of the wars and all that, you know, there's a segment of our military that still is willing to give it all. But in general, we're, you know, I can't say anything great right now, because it just upsets me that heard a good sermon one time ellerslie I think his name, and it was called chocolate soldiers. We've raised a bunch of chocolate soldiers, it's part it's partly my fault for, you know, I've got good kids and stuff. But, you know, we're not massive activists are standing strong, and all that we're doing, we're doing what we can. Andas Christians, I think they depend, you know, we want it to be good people, we didn't round and people that don't, we don't want to offend anybody. We don't want to offend anybody. And we get along, you know, we want to live a quiet life, raise our kids, you know, go to work, be an example, be a light in the world about love. We got to love everybody. But we forgot to be salt. We forgot to be salt. And the other side has totally taken advantage of that. And talking about the military. They're purging the military of anybody who disagrees with them right now. And they're getting everybody else to surrender.And why do you think that is? Well, what happens when all the good people are gone, all the conscious objectors and all the Christians, all the people that will not stand for injustice, when they're gone out of the military, and the police departments and out of school systems,and they're making prime, right, they're defunding the police crime is rampant across the country, that numbers came out yesterday in the city, and the police are retiring or committing suicide in many of these places. When it gets so bad. It's not that these people at the top are against policing. They just want the policing the type they want. So as soon as you get rid of, of all the policing enough people, and people are clamoring and needing protection, you send in the military, I mean, I'm I at this point, I don't care anymore speaking the truth. And that's just the obvious, that's just the obvious plan. I mean, it's it's not hate to say it, it's Nazi Germany, that's a cliche, but um, you know, these are, this is how they do it, and they never started full blown. They just kind of implemented things piece by piece. And it seems to be quite a strategy. And, and supported by media, and supported by people that no longer can critically think, just falling in line and perpetuating this. And God help them they better wake up because they're not going to like the results of it.Right? I think learning I'm taking class through Patriot, patriot university, I think it is with Rick green in his group, through our friends of our church, we're, we're taking a constitutional class. And so we're learning about our history, we're understanding our Constitution. And one thing I was gonna say is that the Christians, if you're listening to this, you need to start understanding our history. Go back and understand what our takes, what, 1520 minutes to read the Constitution. Go back, read that. There's a video on YouTube out with William fetter. And he does an excellent job. It's a three part series on understanding the culture and he liked vodi Bachman, he goes through this whole history of socialism, communism, and how all this has a plan. I mean, it's pretty much written now. I mean, it we're, we are step by step in line with everything that happened in Nazi Germany, and everything that happened with the Bolsheviks and all that stuff.Somebody said, we were at six of 10. Yes, justify extermination. And he goes through them, and I don't remember what they were, but we're there and i and i read them and looked at him and thought about it, and he was absolutely right. Andas Christians, we need to be awake to that and we need to bring we need to help others understand what God purpose is and what God's plan isfor the Christians who really are convicted about loving people. How much love as we talked about earlier, how much love is it that we allow innocent people conscience to be stepped on to children to be taught things that they should not even be aware of for many years? How loving is it and it's in people are being killed by the suppression of early treatments and and the truth behind that? There's no there's nothing loving in any of this that's going on and and stop hiding behind that if you're hiding behind that. You're being you're lukewarm, and you're worse than lukewarm, you're perpetuating the problem. And, and I wish you just I hate to say this, I wish you leave the church. Leave the church because you're you the truth, you don't want the truth. And God has already warned us if we don't love the truth, we're going to believe a lie is going to send a strong delusion.It will spit us out of his mouth tomorrow.And I he was strong. So I guess I can be strong, right? Yeah, yeah, you know, it, this is the time, this is the time and you know what we're supposed to be part of a body. And if you're not stepping into place now to help us fight, we're missing an arm, we're missing an eye, we're missing. We're missing some vital parts to do this.If we don't stand up now, at this juncture, what's going to happen? 10 years from now, when our grandkids are facing atrocities that we justyour I don't think we get 10 years? Yeah, I don't think we get 10 years. The UK just back down. But they'll bring it back. They wanted to do the vaccine passports by China, created by China run by China. That doesn't make any sense, right? But they're doing that we in Australia, you got to the government calls you you've got to have your phone on you. You better show your face and your geolocation is going to say you're where you're supposed to be. Oh my gosh, I mean, this is not this is not we're not being alarmist, this has happened in China, you say something that you disagree with the government, maybe you don't get to leave your town, maybe you don't get leave your house, you get a social credit score. They're conditioning people everywhere, and they would love to do it to us. Yeah, this is the you know, this is the land of the free home of the brave, but we are now right we got to be brief. Nowlet me ask you are you with with you saying that? So we have Disney we have other companies saying you have to take the jam? Are you expecting to get released fard let go because of your stance right now.I back up against the Red Sea, God says go forward.Doesn't matter doesn't Itell my wife every day one day at a time, I will not be falling I'm resolved not to file any exemptions because I don't feel I it's it's justified. Or the efficacy under the data of these these jabs doesn't make any sense. And I don't want to attribute any credence to what they're doing. So they're gonna have to fire me. And I already know of class action lawsuits that are all being put into place right now around the country. And they're everybody's going to get it at all angles. I don't think they care about losing business or losing money or not having enough people because I think they want to destroy and rebuild. And it doesn't it doesn't, it doesn't seem like they care. We think, well, they're going to suffer. There's not enough people. It doesn't seem like they got to know that. I don't think they care. I don'tthink you've got a plan in place, probably.Right? They just want to get it done.Why do you think the borders open?Any rash, you know,I mean, the borders open to bring more people in to take the jobs of people that have worked for 2030 years that have stood strong. Now we've got more people that will come in and fill those spots on the ground, and strainingresources and bringing violent people that you don't know, because good people and bad people are coming through there. And unlike Trump, I you know, he said he talked about skilled immigration. And, and I agree with that, to a certain extent, I also believe in compassionate immigration from those, you know, my family was not skilled. And thank God, they came here from Cuba and my wife's family from Vietnam. And I love our country for it. But you cannot have open borders, just like you can't take the hinge the doors off the hinges at your home. Exactly. expect that everybody that walks past your house is going to be good, you take the hinges off your door, sure enough, somebody is going to walk by and think I'm walking in there and seeing what I could pull out of there. And you know, or cause you harm. And I think that's what we're getting at the southern border. So any rational person wouldn't let any of this happen. It's just if you can't see it by now. I don't know what you need. That's allso so what are you what are you into at this point with? With the website and with your fight is with Disney? I mean, where's this going for you? We areyou know, it's a dual mission. It started just as a simple taken a stand. The mission is the simple mission is just to get I tell everybody I'm not fighting against Disney. I'm fighting against the narrative that holds up a mandate that makes no sense. So I wrote the op ed on the goofy vaccine comm website. And it's also turned into encouraging people around the country. People are asking me how do you organize how, how can we take a stand, there's So many of us that are scared out there and other people that need support, I'm up, my wife is here in the studio with me. And she'll tell you I'm up late into the hours just trying to respond personally to these emails, because people need encouragement right now. And I encourage other people encouraged. So I'm, I'm hoping to be an example. And I can't say that I'm the only one I would I decided to personally take a stand. And when you do that, you'll be surprised that people that come by your side, and some people will fall away fast, but other people will stick to you. And I'm just trying to encourage people to do the same thing for our country for all our jobs for you know, because it's not going to stop with just your job. It's it, you know, France, they don't in some, some grocery stores, and I'll let you in with a vaccine. There was a group of us last night from CCDF in Florida. In Miami, I heard that went in without a mask, and they were arrested at a some kind of mirror meeting doesn't stop there. And it's so irrational. So it doesn't mean it's going to get better just because you got the vaccine there, they're going to continue, people, people without God, always think they are God. And they always find their self righteousness based on what they agree with. So if they agree with the vaccine mandate, they ultimately baptize that and bless that as what needs to be done for everybody because I am righteous, I know better. And who are you? And when I was attacked, I think I shared with you on national radio by brian ross, one of his one of his attacks, where Who are you to know better than the experts? And I'm thinking, Oh, my gosh, Bob so many times, you know, and I said which experts you know, and that's those are the the arguments and he had such righteous indignation when he punched me. So you imagine the people at the very top that have been very successful and pull the levers of the world and economics and everything. They don't believe in God, many of these people, whether they are openly or not, are satanic in nature, because they reject Christ. They think their God and and we're allowing them but to get away with it and our battle again, our battle is we are I think it's in First Corinthians, we our job is to bring down every stronghold that that exalts itself over Christ, that's a command that sounds like from Paul, that's our job is to bring it down and we're not wrestling against flesh and blood. I am not advocating any physical physical things in these battles but we know God's void never comes back void. So we need to stand up we need to speak up and let God handle the rest. And so so with that said, that's the fight and we're also doing the rally Sunday here in Orlando if you go to the website you'll see where it's at. We will be doing it's Sunday at 3pm well we're get we're getting together with the firefighters first responders are frontline workers, the nurses and in Anaheim. We have a small group of people out there that are wanting or organizing and wanting to people to come out and they are going to be at 10am 1500 South harbor Boulevard which is right by Disneyland I'm not sure where but my counterparts in organizing over there so that's a good area to be in and they'll be there at 10am but if you go to the website of goofy vaccine calm you'll see that and we're just asking people people that support Disney people that are against the vaccine citizens of all types. Everybody come organize, come get together with us Let's stand up together and send the message that we don't agree with these mandates.So is this it right here? That's actually some fight for freedom. Sunday September 26 in Orlando, Florida there's on the website 3pm and then we got Sunday the 26th again in California 10am and coast to coast to get together and show their support for freedom of choice and stand against the mandates and awesome Nick I guess that's a good place to wrap up I know we could probably go all day talking andand I've enjoyed it I really enjoyed it especially talking from a faith perspective because you know all this is rooted in spiritual, spiritual things. It's a spiritual battle it may be manifested in the flesh but it's a spiritual battleright and as I heard one of the things Moti Bachmann said is that I can only speak about himself I can only stand on this portion of the wall and and and defend this portion of the wall you're defending a portion of the wall defending a portion of wall so we're, we just encourage all the Christians to go to your secret place. Listen to what God is telling you where to defend but we have to defend the wall. Actually you know, it's his I've heard it said he, there's evil at the gate. And I'm unfortunately I believe the gates been opened and there's no defense and we have to take a place ever. Just like in Am I building the wall, they built it with one hand on a trial and the other hand with the sword. So we have to be in a position, a frame of mind, a, a position of war, because this is the time for war, we're in a war at the highest levels of spiritual demonic forces upon this country. And I think it's imperative everybody. Everybody takes some part of the wall and stand on it, and I appreciate what you're doing. God bless you for your standing strong, I pray that your job will be intact, you will not lose your job through this. But if it if you do, there's bigger and better things, I'm sure. And so thank you again, Nick, for such a strong stance. And we hope that you know, there's victory in this for sure, because we know Christ.Yeah. Thank you, Gary. Thanks for having me on. And thanks for doing your part as well on the wall. And I look forward to giving you some good news soon, Lord willing.Yes, definitely.

Welcome to remnant revolution podcast is Gary Duncan, your host, and I've got a very exciting a guest with me today. As you know, we've been going through a lot of edicts and mandates and all the things with this Coronavirus and the vaccine. Well, I don't call it a vaccine. It's a biological weapon. But that's beside the point. This jab that we're being required to take a lot of the businesses are adopting what our government has pushed out there to fight this disease, which really is the best way to fight is through prayer, and through natural immunity. And we'll get into that later. But my guest, Nick, cat around Oh, is that correct? Nick,you got a Gary, that'sokay.You nailed it. If you want to get a little extra, right, you give it the fingers up.As you see on the screen, folks, and if you're listen to the podcast, I've got his websites called goofy vaccine. He is a Disney employ. And let me bring you in here. And welcome Nick, I appreciate you coming on the program and tell us what's you know, to tell us what's going on with these edicts and the things that you're just you're running into. So tell us a little bit about Oh, first of all, I got ahold of you just by reading an article I saw that pop times had done an article and I saw you in there and I thought, well, this is interesting. This guy's standing up. He's a Christian. You know, he loves God. And he's standing up for what's right and I think that's why you're on the show your spirit warrior. And we love spirit warriors. So Nick, tell us a little bit about you know, how long you've been with Disney and a little bit about the background so people can catch up to what's going on. Gary, thanks for having me on. Yeah, we've had some really good conversations when you reached out originally and we talked you know we just right away got into it. You know, there's so much that like minded Christians right now can talk about forever but my name is Nick catarratto I am a server at Disney World I've been there 16 years I was a shop steward and a committee leader which means I was a little bit higher up than just average and in helping with worker issues and things like that and it was really rewarding to be involved with these mandates of course, I it's been so much leading up to this right it It hasn't just been the mandates it's just been a steady decline of reasonableness. And what they're asking us you know, it's almost don't believe your lying eyes. And you know, they're inverting everything that's right and wrong, you know, the right the riots are peaceful, you know, two years to flatten the curve. China's trying to shutting down Wuhan you can't get anywhere in China but they can fly all over the world and somehow that makes sense and nobody questions that there's just been so many things that build up to it. And then coming up to the mandate it felt like it was too big too big of a train to get in front of it I didn't imagine I was going to try to fight it what could one guy do? But I also felt it was really interesting how God was leading me this whole time because I all through the to 2020 I kept asking God What do I do? What do I do the urgency I see the country falling apart. I see Marxist ideologies coming on everywhere. I know I know the the hate towards the church, CRT theory. There's a great book by voti Bachmann if anybody has heard of od Bachmann I recommend you read that if you really want to understand he's been sounding the alarm for about 10 years. I think you all the data research and the facts in there on my one of my episodes is with kind of a replay with voting Bachman top. Not a speech, what do you call him? Kind of a sermon. And I replayed that. And that's one of my best showing. Best playing podcast because it is I mean spot on for CRT he takes you through the history of it. It's very, very good as if you want to, you want to know in about 45 to 50 minutes the history of how we got to where we're at and what the church needs to do. That's a good one to listen to. So yeah, he's he's definitely body boggling. For those who don't know, is a black pastor. He's from Compton, LA, and are born there. So he, he tells a story in the book because he never really shares it. But he wants people to understand he's just, he's not being propped up. He's been in this battle a long time. And he was kind of on the other side of the fence, not really understanding things. But as he's matured, and understands the gospel more, he's been warned sounding the alarm. So I recommend you do do I recommend voting Bachmann on those and he's, he's got a new book out called faultlines. Wow, that's incredible. Yeah. So you know, definitely, I'd love to have him on the show as well. But Beside that, so now, Call me when you do I want in on it. Okay. Yeah, we could do a zoom meeting thing. Hey, on the lines of what you were talking about with, with seeing all this coming down the line? Let me ask you real quick for I forget how, how does when you start feeling that way? Is it? Is it because you're because I get this comment a lot people see me as too political and in this to this, you know, and it's not good to be political in the church. Can you talk about politics, and I'm like, you know, we got to change that. Because it's, this is why we're here is because we don't get involved in government. We don't get involved in this public square. We don't get involved in the school system. So as you saw this starting to happen, do you feel like God, like you said God was was taking you down this road? Because that's exactly where I was five years ago, started seeing stuff, you know, with Brett Kavanaugh, you know, when they went after Brett Kavanaugh, like they did, I'm like, you know, because I'm self employed. And I thought that could be anybody. It doesn't have to, it doesn't have to, it could be a lie can destroy a man's career. A lie could come out about you or me. And if there's enough people that jump on it, they could try to destroy it, they could actually destroy our business. Here. Look what happened at the border recently, the crisis at the border with all these migrants at the bridge wasn't addressed. I don't think they really care. But they did care when they had the lassos on the horses. And now they're saying with a straight face that there were whips and and there's no retraction they run with it, they find that that is a lie that will stick and it's red mean for their base. Yeah, just like the assault weapons, you know, the assault weapons when they're really just a rifle with lots of fancy dressing on it lipstick on a rifle. And it's an assault rifle now, so we got to ban all rifles, right? Yeah. And they and with that particular, I heard last night they're taking away the horses. So they're tying the hands of the people and the President is talking about the Maxine war. Maxine, is it Maxine Waters, but a lot of political are speaking up like this actually happened that they were whipping these people with their reins on their horses. It's a distraction. It's a distraction, but but it's absurd that and that they get away with it. And all the media that they the media knows they're looking at the video, but they they just repeated anyway. And for anybody. It's amazing that that I'm finding as I'm speaking out, and a lot of people are coming forward and sharing their stories with me. It's there's other people, but it's mostly Christians that are realizing, wow, this is really bad and something's wrong. And and I have heard the same thing about not being political. I will say, when I watched the whole Trump thing I felt I felt, you know, God, for those of us who are believers, or those people that, you know, how many times would we stand out 16 hours in the rain for Jesus. And they were doing that for Trump. And I would have Trump any day over what we got. And I supported him and I still support them. But we can't let anybody or anything be an idol. We can't depend on people. And I think I think that's where Christians get confused. They think it's all one thing or the other. And I think the danger is when we idolize any man, you're going to fall into an up to a bad place. So, you know, it's okay. You know, I'm involved with a group here in Polk County in Florida. And it's they're called CCDF. County citizens defending freedom. And they are basically rallying on their local communities to affect change from the top from the bottom up. And they're doing a wonderful job supporting me and supporting the nurses that are fighting against the mandates. And I don't believe for a second that God wants us just to lay down at this time. I think I think we had a prayer before and you had a wonderful prayer before we started. And we talked about, you know, your prayer was about God, how would you want us to do this and help us to have the right spirit because You need a level of anger, but you don't want to come across as angry, you know, we should be be angry and sin not, Paul says. So we need to be angered and inspired to fight against these things. But we definitely want to still have love in our hearts for our neighbors, even when they disagree with us. And I definitely think I was one of those who think we shouldn't be in the political process. But a lot of that was because they murky the waters of separation of church and state. And you know, when you dig deeper into that, what they tell us is separation of church and state is not, it just meant that the state cannot mandate a religion, it didn't say that we couldn't have faith involved in our public square, it doesn't mean we can't pray in the open, it doesn't mean you know, you can't have prayer in schools, or you can invoke prayer in court like they're trying to do and stuff like that, or putting your hand on the Bible. It just meant because of prior history, people were, you know, if it was King James or, or, or queen, Elizabeth, or different, different rulers in those times, they would subject their subjects to a particular religion, if it was called cism. Or if it was, you know, the Episcopal Church or King Henry did. So the separation of church and state was that it wasn't that we couldn't have our faith in the public square. And I think they fooled A lot of us and we bought into that. And what what, you know, what, you what, you see, they're teaching our kids in school today and what's being allowed? How, how, how can we justify as Christians not being about protecting our children? And if that doesn't, if that doesn't rile up some amount of anger, and an unjust, it's unjust, and it's makes you angry, but as Christians, we can come we can come with righteous saying, you know, just like a parent, you know, when we believe in corporal punishment, you take a you know, go out to the tree and grab a little twig and you start whacking on the backside a little child because he was being an idiot. And you know, because I happen to me a lot when I was a kid, you know, it wasn't, I was, they weren't being angry and hating me, they were loving me, because if you spare the rod, you spoil the child. Well, if we spare the rod to America, it's going to be sold. And guess what, it's bold, because we didn't, you know, I don't, you can say God, I don't know how to approach it. But we've we've been acting like our country has been run, like a bunch of children, Daddy has not ruled our country. And when daddy Trump I say his daddy, the only person that really looked like a daddy that came in and start saying, we're not gonna do this, this is not going to happen. And then the children threw a tantrum. And they throw tantrums by burning buildings down and calling you racist and every name in the book and all that stuff. So you know, the whole purpose of my podcast is to find out what's the church going to do Who are the people that are acting in a righteous way but also whipping the baby and telling you know the kid you know, you get your butt in the house Don't ever let me Don't ever let me see you do that again. And we serve God we don't serve man those kind of things. So sorry interrupt if I could. degress Yeah, I know we're covering a lot so I think a lot of what's happened to is you have people that are real have really abused their children and they've used those examples that reason not to do to do anything and and the problem is we need to be adults. And and and it's not one or the other there there are variables and we need to address those and that we see that in politics. But I also wanted to share a quick story I have a friend of mine he is about six four, he's a big old big old boy. And nice nice guy. And and I asked him I said how do you turn out so nice, you know, use a rough looking guy and he was a lumber guy. And he says, Well, you know, I thought I was I was hot shot, you know, played football. I was big young. My dad was about five, five, and I mouthed off to him one time too many. And he said I want to teach you a lesson son and you're gonna learn it. And he said he'd beat my butt from sunrise to sundown all over the yard than that day and it changed it changed the projection of my life. And in disciplines necessary discipline is necessary and not because anybody wants to punish anybody but because it helps to guide us and we know God disciplines us as believers. And he says he doesn't he doesn't love us that he's not disciplined as he does it for our own good so so just getting into that part. We'll move on but yeah, I was thinking on those things. Alright, so back to Disney because that's where that's where you're employed and with the with the mandate so you, you start you saw saw this coming down the pipe, you saw all the things that we're doing On, take me take me a little bit further into that as, as you're seeing all these things happen. And it's like, I've got to do something. I mean, that's what I think is so cool, but you're one guy that said, I've had enough. Yeah, people, I hear a lot about how brave I am. And my joke and partially true is I just got fed up. I got they, they took me to the brink. And you know that that was definitely a factor in me stepping up. I had gotten call from union leadership, which I was involved with. And and we had new the non union employees were now mandated, but they had a just sprung it on the union that they would be negotiating with the union. And I was told that your union, Disney is going to do this. Absolutely. There's no stopping it. And they have a right to do it. legally. Somehow, they believe that and they were going to work out the religious and medical exemptions. I being pretty much the lone conservative on that. On that group. I voiced my concerns for mandates. I went down the whole list and how absurd it all is. But I was not. I knew it was too big. And it was a train moving too fast for me to stand in front of so my choice wasn't going to make a difference. Interestingly enough, my wife tested positive for COVID the next day. Tuesday, we were separating, but I have some pre existing health conditions. We were We were quarantining in the house to hopefully to have me avoid getting COVID but of course we you know, being having it hit home after it hadn't hit us home and after that whole wave where everything was like it was quieting down and it actually seemed like maybe these vaccines were working. We didn't know what the reasoning was behind it. But you know, you start thinking well, maybe these vaccines are working and things requiring down we're going to get back to normal. But then we got hit with it and it made me dig back into the data. It made me start to to look at look at treatments I heard of ivermectin out there, I had no idea what it was because I had stopped looking into it. I was busy go back to work and working on other things. Tuesday about three o'clock my heart started to race at about 150 beats a minute, and it would fluctuate and then 141 55 after about six hours of that a cousin of mine who's a nurse says you should really just out of precaution, get to the hospital, with with the concerns, health concerns you have and I was out I was praying the whole time going god why why is this happening and I felt my prayers hitting the ceiling, which was really strange thing, but I would understand later which was a big thing. I get to the emergency room. The admitting nurse checks me and they do the COVID test. They they do the EKG and everything on me they see my heart's racing but it was they were loaded with COVID patients but the admitting nurse says it's the COVID you and I you got COVID and that's what's causing your heart to race and my fever went to 103 the aches and chills everything came so in the waiting area was seven hours and I was just squirming in a chair you know just with uncomfortability but I finally got an emergency room and you know got in there and they put me on an IV and anti inflammatories and fluids got my heart rate down to about 100 finally a day later it would it would go back to normal but when the doctor came in very nice guy very concerned and he was concerned for me in my in my health concerns that I was dealing with he warned me there's nothing we could do for you right now. But you know you need to go monitor your oxygen take Tylenol and when you go into crisis It was like you've when it happens you need to come back and that was it. That was it. And my mom was a nurse for 32 years I got family in medicine never in my life that I hear of anybody being as sick as I was you know prior to COVID that they would just send me home and told me to take Tylenol I would have gotten a z pack. So you know so here I go home and for a couple days I think well we're you know we're taking our supplements we kind of know all the things to take. We were doing well we were getting weak we were getting out there and getting some sun every day. But then my wife's cough was getting really bad and her chest was hurting from the cough and I started to step out of precaution. I was reaching out I got ahold of my doctor finally who I guess they were overwhelmed. And he told me about the flcc web CCC website frontline doctors, and he recommended that protocol and he got us the steroids. The wreath of Meissen and he said he highly recommends the ivermectin I said let's do it. And we could only get the ivermectin that night it was late and they told me to come back in the morning for the for the other two things. from two hours after we took the ivermectin my wife's cough started to subside our chest released two days later we were fine. I don't know if we would have gotten better anyways, but we I noticed the ivermectin helped it quick and it worked. And since then, we saw Joe And I'll try to move through a quick since then we saw Joe Rogan, the famous podcaster. He You know, when everybody heard he got sick, they wrote his obituaries they want they were wishing him to die. He took the ivermectin he got better, and they lost their minds. And they wrote the hit job where they were taking the horse dewormer out in Oklahoma. And that turned out to be a false story and the Rolling Stone and Rachel Maddow and everybody ran with it. And it turns out the doctor would didn't even work there anymore. And there was nobody coming in Odeon. And then the funny thing is here after we have stood up, the local paper, Orlando Sentinel did a story on us and I talked about my experience with ivermectin and they said, horse, the warmer we took the horse dewormer disproven horse dewormer and they know better I mean, as of 2015 and won a Nobel Prize for outstanding work in humans. It's been deployed all over in Peru when they when they use it on a national level, it dropped the the death rates by 14 times. And then when the next administration came in and took it away, it raised them 13 times. So ivermectin is working and works in India right now. It's working all over the world. And I've been using it they've been using it in Africa for I think 15 years or so there's a there's a looked at when I heard about things like that I went in start doing my research. So I looked and I found out that they've they have treated people in Africa, it's for malaria, thanks what they were using it for, since the early 80s and 90s 75 million people have been treated with avermectin for parasites in Africa, okay. And nobody has died. I mean, I go to the source I don't you know, when I hear something I start looking at and so you look at the you can go on all the different government websites, and they'll all the different trial studies and all those things. And I'll start looking at that and reading it for myself. And I was looking at this trial and conference and comments about it. It was an article I think, from one of the trials that refer referenced the study, and the use of ivermectin in Africa, and I'm thinking 75 million I posted on my Facebook 75 million people have been using this stuff. So why you know, and it's what, three cents appeal there's your answer it's three cents appeal a dose versus $3,000 for REM disavowal or whatever they call it it's in the hospitals and it's in the protocol they may so you know, that's where my little red flag my discernment from the Holy Spirit tells me that okay Don't believe everything you hear trust in the Lord and when I start following through with that things just don't add up they're not adding up and that was that was a big alarm belt for me because when I when I saw these these data points Gary and like you're sharing I realized they're killing people that killing people they're that the doctor from frontline doctors peer quarry, if you listen to him speak brilliant guy. And he really cares and he spoke to the Senate last year he said your protocols are failing. This is working look at all the data and the research and they make a million excuses and yet they're they're fighting and now here we're fighting in Polk County for right to try. And pharmacies are refusing to fill the prescriptions that the doctors are writing and there's such a concerted effort to start early treatment stop early treatments with things that work and I put the pieces together and it's just common sense I said if they know these things are working and they're so against it and they're saying sends and people are dying why when they you give them the right to try it and why are they trying so hard to stop it and it becomes obvious it's money it's it increases our power increases hospitalization and death rates. Hospital and death rates are the stick they used to beat everybody into submission in fear and you take you take you you bring out early treatments at the government this anthesis doing the hospitalization rates went off a cliff as soon as he put these Mana monopol antibody clinics all over the state and and they want to stop that, you know, they've changed they've changed the wording now you know you the AMA has come out with guidelines for doctors to use and they they told doctors to quit using the word hospitalization and to use death. So there's a there's a template that shows all the different words they're supposed to stop using when you start using new. So and and here's the thing. What we need to realize is that Fauci said it himself. He was asked point blank, I think it was somebody maybe on CNN, he they asked him, is this a Has this ever been used on humans? And he said no This has never been used on humans, you know that he snow a vaccine? Well, this so called vaccine, this has never been used. Okay. So what he meant by that what he was saying is that we didn't run it through the typical trials that you do on humans, the trial is what's being injected in people, we and everybody that is taken that backs that jab is the trial, they're not there, this is they're still figuring this thing out. So the fact that, legally they can't be doing that, because you can't give somebody a trial. As a widespread correction, this doesn't. And I think we will get into this or we're talking about now, the vaccine, so called vaccine is not a vaccine, because vaccines prevent you from getting a disease. This this, and I think people still believe that this vaccine keeps them from getting COVID which it doesn't, it helps you reduce the effects of the disease. And, and I was gonna say, even at Disney World, on the website, Goofy vaccine calm, I wrote an op ed to Disney. And I could have covered a lot more but I tried to go over these basic points. at Disney the other day, a cast member fully vaccinated, died. There's a lot of cast members that are getting sick. And even last night when when I was listening to the news on the Orange County, employees here in Orlando, a lot of them I think there were nine deaths. Three were fully vaccinated for were fully vaccinated. I mean, it doesn't have the the idea to mandate a vaccine. I believe in freedom of choice. If people feel vaccines, their choice, I will try to try to tell them how I feel about it and why. But if that's their choice, I respect their choice. But to mandate it, under the circumstances that this thing's falling apart right before our eyes and it and I'd like to give a little, a little bit of more data on what I learned the other day in India. I thought it was 5%. But I heard it's up to 13% fully vaccinated in the country of India. But they are have ivermectin going through the country right now. And they're actually suing one of the who representatives that's in India, who put a try to put a stop to it and the desperate started going up again. And now the the Indian bar suing her, but the depth that the 23 it's 23 per million right now have COVID in the in the country of India, United States with its vaccination rate about half they say is about 450 per million. Israel, which is now on his third and fourth boosters, fully vaccinated. 85% of the country, they are over 1000 people per million the highest in the world. Common Sense should kick in and go. Okay, we hoped it was going to be good. We believed it was going to be good. We gave it the best effort. But you would think at some point if people were sincere, honest, common sense would just kick in and go well, we need to stop. I mean, the swine flu vaccine program that that vaccinated 25% of the population back under the Ford administration, I think killed 26 people and for safety concerns. They halted that right away. And here we are at open veers and we know it's way under reported. 15,000 deaths 750,000 adverse reactions. And I got I got an interview for NPR and the guy was attacked started attacking me on it was safe and effective and who was it to talk out against it? And I said well have you looked at open veers he says I don't even know what open veers is. Talking about the anger, the anger came up on me and I started yelling at them. Your reporter reporting on mandates and vaccines don't know what our open beers is. Oh my gosh, that was it. That was the end of the interview. Because I was just I was amazed that a reporter could be covering that subject, and not even understand and know what open veers was. So it's just the the willful ignorance, or the outright lying is just incredible. It's off the chains right now. Right? And they're using the, you know, CDC and all these people they're using, well, it's not been under enough trials. It's not been studied enough. We don't need to study it. It's proof. We've got proof. We don't need studies. We need to show all the history of people being helped by this medicine. That's all we need. Well, yeah, we're not going to get it so and then there's no trials for you know what was interesting to me. I was watching Tucker last night and he brought on can remember the doctor he comes on all the time. Right now it slips my mind with the glasses. And they were talking about early treatments and they talked about the antibody treatment and, and vitamin D and stuff. But he said Merck is creating a medicine right now and he was all excited and it stops the viral load and it stopped in its tracks, and I was like that's ivermectin, exactly as described ivermectin, but Merck is going to make the version of it. And it's probably going to be $50 a pill, I'm sure or more. And that and to me, and Tucker is such a sharp guy, and I commend and God bless him for, you know, not taking prisoners on all sides most of the time. But I was surprised that that that that pass the smell test, because ivermectin already exists, it's safe and effective. Not like the vaccine being safe and effective. And now they're talking about Merck doing the same thing. It here's the thing. I noticed, I didn't see that interview, but a couple of weeks ago or something, something triggered in me to think, to hear I heard you know, yes, the report that they were coming out with a thing that was gonna stop COVID and all that. And it happens to be the same company that created right Madonna didn't Madonna, invent or create ivermectin? Who whoever, whoever, remember? Yeah, whoever's drug it is, I think it's one of those. For ivermectin, that same company now has come out saying that they're working on a formula that's going to stop it. And and you know, the sin a cynical part of me, or maybe just the common sense. investigative part of me says, oh, hmm. Oh, there's a thought that came to my mind. Is there gonna? It might it not, it might not be the same. It might be a dangerous, they might throw something in there. I hate to feel that way. But oh, I didn't go that direction. But that's the thought. The direction I went was okay. So they've already produced ivermectin. And it's three cents appeal. Okay. And it's being used and everybody's getting better. That's using it. Well, and here I can see these guys sitting in the back office go Well, why don't we create ivermectin again, rename it something else? So now we can go, we'll partner with the government, like we always have, and sell it for $50 appeal. And we can make billions? And, you know, I guarantee you, man, I guarantee you, they will come out with a medicine. And now that I'm thinking it might be Merck that created are coming up with a new one. So yes, yes, the same company came out. Yeah. And so so here we are probably six months from now, a miracle drug that's gonna blow everybody away and make everybody better, is the exact same pill that people have been taken for 1520 years, that it's an A, you just follow the money. It's just follow the money. And Gary, they might actually make let it come to market. After they've already pressured, I just had a phone call. And those here in the studio with me, can vouch for it. Where the lady says there were there were 10 of her and her the 10 of them in her department, and Disney that didn't want the vaccine, they were all against it. And there were 11 and 10 of them caved and took the shot because they were worried about their job and providing for their families. And I think I think the strategy is there pushing off once everybody's vaccinated for whatever their reason is, right? Whatever their reason is, once are vaccinated, yeah, give them an ivermectin Who cares? You know, I think you know, and I'm, I'm seeing it, I saw record people send me I don't know how much you trust it. She said it was verified acid verify it, that in, they're going to deploy early treatments in Europe now. And they're going to be everywhere, and you're not going to need to take the vaccine. And maybe the common sense is the strategy is over, they've already forced so many people to take it, whatever their goal is, they've achieved it. And now Sure, let the people have ivermectin it's like a release valve. You know, and, and they seem to do that they give you a little release valve, and you feel like things have gotten a little bit better. But they, they've accomplished what they wanted to, and they'll just squeeze you down the road. They, from what I understand and looking at social engineering and things like that. You put the pressure on, you get people to push the envelope on them. And then you ease up and you give and that's kind of what we had, right? We had COVID back down, people felt good and safe again. And then you you bring the fear on again. And and that's that's sort of how they do it, it seems. Yeah. And we need to wake up to that. And what I would say here is that, like you said, What are they? What's the reasoning behind it? I think that where the church needs to come into this is to really seek the Holy Spirit to understand God revealed to me rough start revealing to the Christians and that's my Irish prayers that God start revealing to the Christians what the demonic scheme is, and start exposing it that's that that's really what we should be doing as Christians is exposing them where you're doing it, you're exposing, we're learning stuff, we're learning more. I'm asking the Holy Spirit to give us more insight, more wisdom, into just like, you know, when we see something we hear something that doesn't add As the Holy Spirit says, Yeah, that's because it's evil. There's an agenda behind it, and it's wrong. And and, unfortunately, the problem I'm seeing is when we do since that, like you since it, I'm sensing it, other people are sensing it, and we start to bring that out within our church, our local churches, you know, that's political, we can't talk about it, or you get shunned for it. And so, you know, that creates strife within the church, because you have one faction that believes vaccine is the greatest thing, and the other, believe that now I'm seeing stuff that's not adding up, it's dangerous. And now you have people within the church this or did or disagreeing. And again, the whole model podcast is, is branched off of Ephesians, 610. Through 2612. You know, we wrestle against principalities and, and in the heavenlies, and the evil in the heavenly. And there we are, man, we are, it is here it is within this culture. And I think that's the approach that I'm trying to continue to stay prayerful in is that this is a war we're in, we're actually getting physically attacked, we're getting spiritually attacked. And it's straight from the devil. You know, the the pharmaceutical companies, they're being run, but by Satan's minions, you know, in the heavenlies. They're perpetrating thoughts of these people that are running the country running pharmaceutical companies that run in the medical field, who do we trust anymore? You know, we used to hurt it the other day. When did we? Why should we be trusted in the medical field period, we put all of our hope and faith in doctors, okay. I'm not bashing doctors, but our hope and faith is in Jesus Christ. We We bless the doctors, because they're understanding if they know Christ, but when we put our all of our hope in medical, we're seeing what's happening, because we've put all of our hope in that, oh, they're doctors, they know everything. Well, now we have a lot of people in the medical field that are being God, pharmaceutical companies are being God there being God with this vaccine, when it gets down to the DNA level of our bodies, and they're manipulating that, to the extent that they are, they're creating. Gary, they're presenting it as a savior. You know, yes, yeah. I know, there's a lot of Christians who, who feel it was the best choice they feel. It was, you know, they wanted to protect their loved ones and stuff. And for some, it might work perfectly. Right. And I and I appreciate for those who did in those things. And those reasons, but when it comes right down to it at this point, when they're coercing people to take it against their conscience, they're presenting the vaccine as a savior, and, and everybody who refuses to take it as rejecting that Savior. And that's, that's just how, and if there's no other, there's another way to look at it. And you talked about the scripture in Ephesians, the one that rally me in my heart, and excuse me, Yeah, I got some right here. The one that rallied me, was Ephesians, five, one, have nothing to do with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose it. And when I came to that point, where I realized that we're literally knowingly killing people, by suppressing the truth of early treatments, and it seemed that the agenda was to just drive up the fear, to keep the power, and to get people vaccinated, we had to speak out. And for all those people in church, I can't worry about them anymore. If there's anybody out there that disagrees with that. We know when Elijah was running, you know, he ran he ran from Joseph Hall after he defeated to 450 profits about and he ended up in the cave, and God came and spoke to him. And he says, I've reserved 7000 people that have not bound and need to bail. And Paul repeats it in Romans again, he still has his people. And I think the best thing we could do, who God has already woken up to these things, is we got to be brave and stand even if we're by ourselves, even it's just a few of us. It's our responsibility to stand and speak the truth and pray, Lord willing that we could stay in as much spirit of love as we can. But with that righteous indignation fueling us because we're fighting against an evil, and we know we're not wrestling, wrestling against flesh and blood, we're wrestling against principalities and spiritual wickedness in high places. So we, those of us who stand and you know, some people are followers, some people are leaders, God, it's ultimately God. It's the Holy Spirit, responsibility to waken people to it and even bring people to Christ, right? We do our part. We remain obedient, and he'll take care The rest, and maybe he has a reason for the process. You know. And now as we see more and more information coming out, people are going to be I know people that are beginning to wake up. And I said something a month ago that that stuck with them. And you know, so we do our part, we can look back, Jesus says, anybody who puts the hand to the plow and looks back, it's not not worthy of Him. And I, and I take that with this situation. We just, if we, if we know I hate to, I hate to relate to us. This is not the gospel message. But it sure seems I I kind of I believe that all truth is part of God, anything related to truth goes back to him because he is the source of all goodness and truth. So when you're dealing with such darkness, and the issue, this issue that we're on the side of right now, is the truth in the face of darkness. Well, that's part of him. And I think by standing up, we're standing up for the truth in him, you know, my motive is because of that, and I put my hands in the plow now and there's no turning back. And you know, there's a lot of fear involved. When you start, you count the cost, and you realize what you're about to do. But once you, you know, a lot of it had to do God prepared me and he brought me, you know, he brought me to the promised land in a different way. But he brought me to the He brought me there, and he says, you can see the giants, but are you going to have faith I brought you this barn, all these things in your life. And like Joshua and Caleb, I said, Okay, I don't know how this is going to work out. I don't know. But I know you can. And I've said it from the beginning. I know God is able, he doesn't need, you know, if we don't praise Him, the rocks will cry out. We don't need. We don't, he doesn't need any of us. He uses us and we get to be a part of that. And by not speaking up when God brings you to that point. You're denying yourself, not only you're denying the glory of God, and faith in what everything he's able to do, you're denying yourself to be a partaker in that and the joy that comes with it, I'm exhausted because I've been going so, so much and so fast. But I have a piece that has come over me and and a so many amazing moments in so many amazing interactions that God has brought me in with. And I sit down and people I didn't even know that were Christian, who are who are seeing the same exact things I'm seeing, you know, all of a sudden, I met with the firefighters in Gainesville after we won that victory against the mandates over there. And I was with them and I went to lunch with a group of them. And we had fellowship, it was like a like a party because we were all in agreement with all these things. And that was really wonderful. So I think Christians you're denying yourself if God is bringing you to the point. And like Esther, you're there for such a time as this. Are you going to approach the king? Are you going to are you going to step out in faith? And like me Shaq? Me Shaq be Shaq and abednego and Daniel Misha? Yeah, yeah. I met I met the one little side note here I met the the Africa was at that show back in early 90s with the three old ladies and his name was Miss Shaq. Anyway, I won't go into I met the guy because I asked him I said, well, where'd you get your name? Because, you know, you think of this story? Me Shaq Bendigo and the other dude, whatever his name was, you know, I've got all Thomas. And he told me that's where he got his name. His parents named him out of the book out of that story. So it's got us on our honeymoon. My wife we actually got on a talk show back early 90s. We were down in San Diego for a honeymoon. And we got our Los Angeles we got on this on this late night TV show. And he was the guest and we got to be picked ask the question live on national television. It's pretty cool. It's really yeah, it's something so simple, right? Yeah. Well, who knows the testimony that that gave? Yeah. Oh, I didn't think about that. Yeah, because he and what's really funny is in the last interview, in our studio here we have Josiah Josiah helps us with All Things tech and I were asking him his name because I don't know personally anybody named Josiah is faster his father's a pastor and they name all how many kids for four kids and they're all got big biblical names so it's good and a nice to see that I got you in twice today. Well, if we got a few more minutes let's get it let's actually get into it a little bit more about the Disney connection here. And with the firefighters I know you're being you're kind of becoming an activist and helping people and in fighting against so let's get into that part about what what's going on with the Disney part and and these people potentially losing their job. When's the date for this to actually happen? Because I'm just wondering, had to get their first shot with Pfizer and Madonna already to be compliant. The j&j shot is October Six to be compliant on October 22. I'm being told that people are being cast members employees are being told to have their vaccination cards on them. So I don't know how Disney is going to determine when I think they I heard they were extending that first shot for a few people that they would commit to. I'm getting the shot kind of thing and sign off on it. So So It's here. It's here, but we've done a few good victories. Our our attorney here at CCDF. Jeff Childers got the victory and the injunction. Gainesville. Oh, let me tell you. Yeah. I'm glad to sit man. He has got one of the best blog posts I've ever read. Recently. It's on coffee and coffee. Beans and COVID. I think the name of it. Yeah. Oh, it is so good. He's, he's a great guy. He's, I want to get him on the show. He's my next. He really? Yeah, I've actually reached out to him left a message yesterday. Okay, you got a connection. Hook me up. Yeah, cuz I want to go over that article. It was so right on. Yeah, I'll text you. I'll text you the phone number. Jeff gave me a phone number for okay. And I've got it. I've got it right here. See this? That's part of it. That's one six, I think is part number two. Let me just read this because this is a song about spirit of fear, says here's the thing, a spirit of fear is a spiritual problem. It's not a medical problem. It's not a biological problem. It's not a political problem. And it's not a scientific problem. It's a spiritual problem. If we only had some kind of worldwide organization that was devoted to addressing spiritual problems, we sure could use something like that for a time like this. Let me know if you think of one. I love his humor. Yeah. And I mean, he's so right on. And he takes you know, he, he makes he puts a hard hit on on pastors. He puts a hard hit on Christians. He challenged them. Yeah, very much. So and I'm like, Ron, brother. I was fortunate. I was fortunate to have him on the team. When I decided and to step forward. And, and his his words, he was really encouraging in a lot of ways. But one of his words, were you now you're no longer lukewarm. Okay, yeah, he does speak about that as well. So if with with the, with the mandate, if, if everybody that didn't want to take the jab, just walked out? Would that hurt Disney would that what would that possibly cause them not to be able to run a park or run a ride or cause enough disruption that they would start thinking about what they're doing? Sharing earlier, there's a lot of people and a lot of people I know that are folded already, but against their conscience. And there will have gotten this shot. And I think Disney is counted on that. I know they've hired people and they got them in the wings just waiting to step in. I think prior when this fight started, and just kind of doing some numbers, and because they had offered to pay, and at the time when I had inside information, I think the number was as high as 40% of employees had not reported their vaccination status, and they were paying getting paid like 300 100 bucks to do it. And they weren't reporting. But let's say that was 25%. For people that just didn't want to report it. And then you add to that people that don't want boosters you add to that people that are vaccinated that are standing for freedom, I think the number is somewhere around 40%. We seeing it in the police departments and fire departments as high as 40% 45%. City of Anaheim, the police department we heard from their police union, directly yesterday was 80% of their police officers. So I think 80% don't want to take that don't want to take it. So the numbers are way higher than anybody expects, but they've done such a good job of isolating us keeping people scared to talk out by doing that. And, and I had an interesting conversation about Nicki Minaj, the rapper who's who just asked him what everybody attacked her. And somebody suggested like that was just show I said, What do you mean? Well, by get her getting attacked, and people seeing that attack, you know, that keeps them in check. It keeps people in check. And when I talk to people, they're just scared I had a family reach out to me that wanted me to help them and they were willing to do an interview and we set up a press conference last week and they were no shows. And when I called them I said we need you you know we need we have the whole Haitian community is a large one and they feel betrayed by their pastors in their churches, they feel betrayed by Disney and by the unions. And yet nobody shown just you know, not not the representation that they that that people and when one of the people who was was the late liaison, he talked to me after and I could hear this fear in his voice that I didn't hear and there's just this irrational fear spirit of fear that's taking over people because they realize they can lose everything. Right and and And I understand when you got family, you got kids. But this is the time where faith is everything. And like about these people coming across the border, they're willing to risk everything to come to this country, everything, their lives everything, America, people like us, we've got too much to lose to fight. And that's the problem. We don't, we've lost, we're in a culture, we've raised a bunch of people in the last 50 years, that aren't willing to lose it all. And that's unfortunate. We're the generation of the wars and all that, you know, there's a segment of our military that still is willing to give it all. But in general, we're, you know, I can't say anything great right now, because it just upsets me that heard a good sermon one time ellerslie I think his name, and it was called chocolate soldiers. We've raised a bunch of chocolate soldiers, it's part it's partly my fault for, you know, I've got good kids and stuff. But, you know, we're not massive activists are standing strong, and all that we're doing, we're doing what we can. And as Christians, I think they depend, you know, we want it to be good people, we didn't round and people that don't, we don't want to offend anybody. We don't want to offend anybody. And we get along, you know, we want to live a quiet life, raise our kids, you know, go to work, be an example, be a light in the world about love. We got to love everybody. But we forgot to be salt. We forgot to be salt. And the other side has totally taken advantage of that. And talking about the military. They're purging the military of anybody who disagrees with them right now. And they're getting everybody else to surrender. And why do you think that is? Well, what happens when all the good people are gone, all the conscious objectors and all the Christians, all the people that will not stand for injustice, when they're gone out of the military, and the police departments and out of school systems, and they're making prime, right, they're defunding the police crime is rampant across the country, that numbers came out yesterday in the city, and the police are retiring or committing suicide in many of these places. When it gets so bad. It's not that these people at the top are against policing. They just want the policing the type they want. So as soon as you get rid of, of all the policing enough people, and people are clamoring and needing protection, you send in the military, I mean, I'm I at this point, I don't care anymore speaking the truth. And that's just the obvious, that's just the obvious plan. I mean, it's it's not hate to say it, it's Nazi Germany, that's a cliche, but um, you know, these are, this is how they do it, and they never started full blown. They just kind of implemented things piece by piece. And it seems to be quite a strategy. And, and supported by media, and supported by people that no longer can critically think, just falling in line and perpetuating this. And God help them they better wake up because they're not going to like the results of it. Right? I think learning I'm taking class through Patriot, patriot university, I think it is with Rick green in his group, through our friends of our church, we're, we're taking a constitutional class. And so we're learning about our history, we're understanding our Constitution. And one thing I was gonna say is that the Christians, if you're listening to this, you need to start understanding our history. Go back and understand what our takes, what, 1520 minutes to read the Constitution. Go back, read that. There's a video on YouTube out with William fetter. And he does an excellent job. It's a three part series on understanding the culture and he liked vodi Bachman, he goes through this whole history of socialism, communism, and how all this has a plan. I mean, it's pretty much written now. I mean, it we're, we are step by step in line with everything that happened in Nazi Germany, and everything that happened with the Bolsheviks and all that stuff. Somebody said, we were at six of 10. Yes, justify extermination. And he goes through them, and I don't remember what they were, but we're there and i and i read them and looked at him and thought about it, and he was absolutely right. And as Christians, we need to be awake to that and we need to bring we need to help others understand what God purpose is and what God's plan is for the Christians who really are convicted about loving people. How much love as we talked about earlier, how much love is it that we allow innocent people conscience to be stepped on to children to be taught things that they should not even be aware of for many years? How loving is it and it's in people are being killed by the suppression of early treatments and and the truth behind that? There's no there's nothing loving in any of this that's going on and and stop hiding behind that if you're hiding behind that. You're being you're lukewarm, and you're worse than lukewarm, you're perpetuating the problem. And, and I wish you just I hate to say this, I wish you leave the church. Leave the church because you're you the truth, you don't want the truth. And God has already warned us if we don't love the truth, we're going to believe a lie is going to send a strong delusion. It will spit us out of his mouth tomorrow. And I he was strong. So I guess I can be strong, right? Yeah, yeah, you know, it, this is the time, this is the time and you know what we're supposed to be part of a body. And if you're not stepping into place now to help us fight, we're missing an arm, we're missing an eye, we're missing. We're missing some vital parts to do this. If we don't stand up now, at this juncture, what's going to happen? 10 years from now, when our grandkids are facing atrocities that we just your I don't think we get 10 years? Yeah, I don't think we get 10 years. The UK just back down. But they'll bring it back. They wanted to do the vaccine passports by China, created by China run by China. That doesn't make any sense, right? But they're doing that we in Australia, you got to the government calls you you've got to have your phone on you. You better show your face and your geolocation is going to say you're where you're supposed to be. Oh my gosh, I mean, this is not this is not we're not being alarmist, this has happened in China, you say something that you disagree with the government, maybe you don't get to leave your town, maybe you don't get leave your house, you get a social credit score. They're conditioning people everywhere, and they would love to do it to us. Yeah, this is the you know, this is the land of the free home of the brave, but we are now right we got to be brief. Now let me ask you are you with with you saying that? So we have Disney we have other companies saying you have to take the jam? Are you expecting to get released fard let go because of your stance right now. I back up against the Red Sea, God says go forward. Doesn't matter doesn't I tell my wife every day one day at a time, I will not be falling I'm resolved not to file any exemptions because I don't feel I it's it's justified. Or the efficacy under the data of these these jabs doesn't make any sense. And I don't want to attribute any credence to what they're doing. So they're gonna have to fire me. And I already know of class action lawsuits that are all being put into place right now around the country. And they're everybody's going to get it at all angles. I don't think they care about losing business or losing money or not having enough people because I think they want to destroy and rebuild. And it doesn't it doesn't, it doesn't seem like they care. We think, well, they're going to suffer. There's not enough people. It doesn't seem like they got to know that. I don't think they care. I don't think you've got a plan in place, probably. Right? They just want to get it done. Why do you think the borders open? Any rash, you know, I mean, the borders open to bring more people in to take the jobs of people that have worked for 2030 years that have stood strong. Now we've got more people that will come in and fill those spots on the ground, and straining resources and bringing violent people that you don't know, because good people and bad people are coming through there. And unlike Trump, I you know, he said he talked about skilled immigration. And, and I agree with that, to a certain extent, I also believe in compassionate immigration from those, you know, my family was not skilled. And thank God, they came here from Cuba and my wife's family from Vietnam. And I love our country for it. But you cannot have open borders, just like you can't take the hinge the doors off the hinges at your home. Exactly. expect that everybody that walks past your house is going to be good, you take the hinges off your door, sure enough, somebody is going to walk by and think I'm walking in there and seeing what I could pull out of there. And you know, or cause you harm. And I think that's what we're getting at the southern border. So any rational person wouldn't let any of this happen. It's just if you can't see it by now. I don't know what you need. That's all so so what are you what are you into at this point with? With the website and with your fight is with Disney? I mean, where's this going for you? We are you know, it's a dual mission. It started just as a simple taken a stand. The mission is the simple mission is just to get I tell everybody I'm not fighting against Disney. I'm fighting against the narrative that holds up a mandate that makes no sense. So I wrote the op ed on the goofy vaccine comm website. And it's also turned into encouraging people around the country. People are asking me how do you organize how, how can we take a stand, there's So many of us that are scared out there and other people that need support, I'm up, my wife is here in the studio with me. And she'll tell you I'm up late into the hours just trying to respond personally to these emails, because people need encouragement right now. And I encourage other people encouraged. So I'm, I'm hoping to be an example. And I can't say that I'm the only one I would I decided to personally take a stand. And when you do that, you'll be surprised that people that come by your side, and some people will fall away fast, but other people will stick to you. And I'm just trying to encourage people to do the same thing for our country for all our jobs for you know, because it's not going to stop with just your job. It's it, you know, France, they don't in some, some grocery stores, and I'll let you in with a vaccine. There was a group of us last night from CCDF in Florida. In Miami, I heard that went in without a mask, and they were arrested at a some kind of mirror meeting doesn't stop there. And it's so irrational. So it doesn't mean it's going to get better just because you got the vaccine there, they're going to continue, people, people without God, always think they are God. And they always find their self righteousness based on what they agree with. So if they agree with the vaccine mandate, they ultimately baptize that and bless that as what needs to be done for everybody because I am righteous, I know better. And who are you? And when I was attacked, I think I shared with you on national radio by brian ross, one of his one of his attacks, where Who are you to know better than the experts? And I'm thinking, Oh, my gosh, Bob so many times, you know, and I said which experts you know, and that's those are the the arguments and he had such righteous indignation when he punched me. So you imagine the people at the very top that have been very successful and pull the levers of the world and economics and everything. They don't believe in God, many of these people, whether they are openly or not, are satanic in nature, because they reject Christ. They think their God and and we're allowing them but to get away with it and our battle again, our battle is we are I think it's in First Corinthians, we our job is to bring down every stronghold that that exalts itself over Christ, that's a command that sounds like from Paul, that's our job is to bring it down and we're not wrestling against flesh and blood. I am not advocating any physical physical things in these battles but we know God's void never comes back void. So we need to stand up we need to speak up and let God handle the rest. And so so with that said, that's the fight and we're also doing the rally Sunday here in Orlando if you go to the website you'll see where it's at. We will be doing it's Sunday at 3pm well we're get we're getting together with the firefighters first responders are frontline workers, the nurses and in Anaheim. We have a small group of people out there that are wanting or organizing and wanting to people to come out and they are going to be at 10am 1500 South harbor Boulevard which is right by Disneyland I'm not sure where but my counterparts in organizing over there so that's a good area to be in and they'll be there at 10am but if you go to the website of goofy vaccine calm you'll see that and we're just asking people people that support Disney people that are against the vaccine citizens of all types. Everybody come organize, come get together with us Let's stand up together and send the message that we don't agree with these mandates. So is this it right here? That's actually some fight for freedom. Sunday September 26 in Orlando, Florida there's on the website 3pm and then we got Sunday the 26th again in California 10am and coast to coast to get together and show their support for freedom of choice and stand against the mandates and awesome Nick I guess that's a good place to wrap up I know we could probably go all day talking and and I've enjoyed it I really enjoyed it especially talking from from a faith perspective because you know all this is rooted in spiritual, spiritual things. It's a spiritual battle it may be manifested in the flesh but it's a spiritual battle right and and as I heard one of the things Moti Bachmann said is that I can only speak about himself I can only stand on this portion of the wall and and and defend this portion of the wall you're defending a portion of the wall defending a portion of wall so we're, we just encourage all the Christians to to go to your secret place. Listen to what God is telling you where to defend but we have to defend the wall. Actually the you know, it's his I've heard it said he, there's evil at the gate. And I'm unfortunately I believe the gates been opened and there's no defense and we have to take a place ever. Just like in Am I building the wall, they built it with one hand on a trial and the other hand with the sword. So we have to be in a position, a frame of mind, a, a position of war, because this is the time for war, we're in a war at the highest levels of spiritual demonic forces upon this country. And I think it's imperative everybody. Everybody takes some part of the wall and stand on it, and I appreciate what you're doing. God bless you for your standing strong, I pray that your job will will be intact, you will not lose your job through this. But if it if you do, there's bigger and better things, I'm sure. And so thank you again, Nick, for such a strong stance. And we hope that you know, there's victory in this for sure, because we know Christ. Yeah. Thank you, Gary. Thanks for having me on. And thanks for doing your part as well on the wall. And I look forward to giving you some good news soon, Lord willing.  

  So welcome to the remnant revolution. I call it the circle of worship. And I don't know if there's a real meaning to it, but I just envision God imparting to you, you write it down, you come together with maybe a couple people or yourself, you put it together, you perform it. I join in on that. And we all praise back to God. So it's like, he's, he's like, here, Greg, I've got something I want you to sing to me. And when you do that, everybody joins in, and it's just a circle of His love to you. To us back to him.  That's one of the best teaching points about worship songwriting that I've ever heard. So at our next songwriting seminar, Gary, could you come speak?  Yeah, that'd be glad to  know. You'd only speak for three minutes unless you have other great. No, but no, seriously, the the circle that you described, that really is how you have to think of it now. There is where's my notes here? You know, there is, you know, there's songwriting craft involved, and not anybody can write a song  yourselves, so I shouldn't send you what I've written down then.  Well, no, it's not that. But my reading glasses on because I am of an unknown age, over 40 unknown age. Alright, so here, here's an example. You know, during this time of Coronavirus, and all of the shutdowns, you know, all of my all of my touring income, which is a substantial part of how I take care of my family, all of that those shows are on hold, all of that income is gone. And I don't know when it will come back. And, you know, this presents a sudden, difficulty. And at first, I was afraid, but not in a way where I would go, Oh, I'm afraid, you know, let's look up three scriptures against fear. It was more like, what am I going to do? You know, but behind all that was fear? Well, you know, some, you know, some, yes, some 34. You know, I saw the Lord, I believe this is verse four, Psalm 34, I sought the Lord, and He answered me, and delivered me from all my fears. And that song begins, I will bless the Lord at all times, his praise will continually be in my mouth. And it's like, Okay, wow, how do I bless the Lord at all times, because that's what the Word says to do. And God is worthy of praise at all times. He has done so much good in our life, that when you're faced with something that suddenly bad, you can't. You can't forget that God has been good to you, and He will be good to you because he is good. So I had to kind of just over a period of days, just keep bringing this to the Lord, looking for answers. But mostly just like the psalm I sought the Lord and He answered me and he delivered me from all my fears. And so I took Psalm 91, which would be familiar to you know, people who studied about fear, you know, it would be familiar, and I just felt like I needed to sing it. And it ended up becoming a song because I brought it to two other writers that I've written with a lot, I brought it to the brought what I had to them, and together, we made it a full song. But really, I didn't start out saying, I want to write a worship song. For people to sing. I was simply saying, I need to sing Psalm 91, he that dwells in the secret place of the most high shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. And I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge. He is my refuge in Him, I will trust and the song goes on, and basically talks about every kind of danger you would ever face and just let you know that God will protect you. And so I just wrote a melody to it. I just took the actual words of Scripture and wrote a melody to it and I sang it over And over and over again. And I came back to it, you know, every day, for a period of days, and after a few days, I felt like the Lord said, you know, play this for this other songwriter in our church. And I did. And he said, Yeah, I think, I think I may have an idea for chorus for that. And then I got, I got with a third writer, and we all got together, and we wrote it. And it became a song called under the shadow of you. And it's beautiful song. It's gonna be great when we get to have our choir on it. But, you know, I it just it sounded something like this. I'll just play a brief bit of if that's all right.  I completed the circle, but because I got with other writers, in that case, and collaborated. But um, it just started as something that I needed. And so what the way he described that, that's a great way to describe it. And along the way, you have to, you know, have that songwriting gift from the Lord, you have to have developed your songwriting craft, then you have to have a commitment to collaboration. Because, you know, there's, there are things that God wants to speak through us individually. But usually, there's someone we're supposed to collaborate with, because God is speaking to his people. And if you notice, like a lot of the hit worship songs. They've got two and three, four riders on that. So  yeah, and I don't know. I mean, we're in Music City, we're in Nashville. So this is the place for the I've lived here all my life. But it looks like to me, it's turned into the millennial capital of the world. And all the churches that gravitate towards that audience. Nothing wrong with that, but I mean, very vibrant, young groups. And there was the song, you know, the song The Blessing by Coby Cody Barnes. And that's a song that, you know, you just look and they talk about how it started and all that. But it's gone worldwide, which is amazing, because other churches have picked it up those they're blessing UK, there's blessing South Africa, blessing Pittsburgh, and they're all you know, in this time that we're in, you know, we haven't lost the car, because now the car's gone into multiple phases singing on a computer screen, which I think is pretty cool. How do you see that? That way that now, churches have come together, they're worshiping, they're, they're feeding off of one another, you know, somebody writes a song, like a pick it up. And it just, it seems like some anointed movement of whether it's a song or, you know, a couple of different songs or whatever. But, you know, I guess, looking at that we would we tend to get pigeon framed and saying, well, that's worship, you know, look at that worship. Well, in a way it is because we're all singing to God, if it's scripturally based, and so how does that how do you think church or worship is going to change or is it going to change because of the way we're doing things now? I don't know. I don't Greg Hagan  10:02  feel like I have a good sense of, I'm still, I'm still trying to understand how God wants to use me with where things are at. So I don't really have a good sense of necessarily where it's going. But I know that what's amazing about God is the 1000s and 1000s. And that just in the English language alone, think about how many 1000s and 1000s of good and useful songs have been written through the centuries. It's amazing. And it seems like in every awakening, every revival, every significant gospel movement, the people that really believe that movement, usually write hymns as well along with their messages and things like that. And you know that the hands that really stand the test of time, usually are songs that come out of revivals or awakenings, or, you know, gospel, gospel movements. And so I think that in our day, we just have to look at, you know, not just what is a good worship song? But what is God doing or desiring to do through our generation? And when I say generation, I'm Generation X. I don't mean just Generation X, I mean, all of us alive at the same time, this generation of generations. You know, what is God doing right now, because it's not, you know, the last great awakening that I believe the scripture prophesies before the end. It's, it's not going to be just young people, you know, it's not going to be just millennials. It's not going to be just the old the wise, you know, it's going to be much like you saw on the day of Pentecost, and where the Apostle Peter is explaining to the crowd, this is what the prophet Joel prophesied old, young men, women, servants, you know, not just not just the wealthy and the elites, but even down to the serving classes, everybody. This is what was prophesied by the prophet Joel, and what happened on the day of Pentecost, as big as that was the prophecy of Joel, of an outpouring of the spirit in the latter days, there's another one yet to come before the very end. And because Jesus said, this gospel will be preached in the whole world as a witness, and then the end will come. And we're not there yet. We're not at a point where, where we really have, you know, preach the gospel to the whole world. The early disciples, they certainly reached their known world in their day, and saw amazing results. But that's been 2000 years, man. So what is what is Jesus doing through our generation? And what are the songs that need to come out of it? So if you're, if you're trying to find out, where's worship going, I would ask, What is God desiring to do in this generation? Is there a great awakening? Is there a great outpouring of a spirit? Is there a great gospel publication that is going to go worldwide, and the songs are going to flow out of that there's always songs written kinda like, you know, that that warrant attached to big movements, that always happens, but but really look at the movement of the spirit in the earth and and know that that's where the worship.  It's good, it's good. Well, that's, I was listening to the pasture pastor in the UK that organized the blessing UK, which is 65 churches came together. And he was just talking about, he heard of it from the saint, I think it's the Pittsburgh blessing where they just went on, created it and, I mean, it was organized so quickly because it spoke to just God blessing his people. And it was interesting to hear his story, you know, on the other side of the pond, as they say, to hear that, that, you know, that side of the world is catching is got some of the same sentiments and thoughts of where we're at church was essentially in the here. Or Greg, I think it's about wraps up our Tom here in a, you know, is there any last word you can give us with just looking at worship and how we are to carry on what what? Something that might help us to kind of keep that in frame. When you were talking one quick question, though. You were talking about hymns and worships our homes a little different than what? Because I'm thinking in my mind a worship song. Well, that's uh huh. You know, you got the guitar, you got the piano, that's worship. But when we sing, you know, some of the hymns that we've done, that just that just brings back some, some good old feelings, too. Are we writing hams today? Yes, are we are I'm just missing where the hymns are being written.  We are writing hymns today. And I think, to define what is a hymn, it's kind of like you either need to go real specific or very broad. And I can do both of him quite simply, and very specifically, is just a poem set to music. So a hymn is a poem about God set to music. But if you kind of go with Ephesians, chapter five, verse 18, to 20, give us a really well-rounded prescription for New Testament worship. It says, number one, don't be drunk with wine, I think that's, that's a great place to start worship. So it starts, you know, don't be drunk with wine, because that is wasteful, or uses a fancy word dissipation, but it just means you're wasting your time. God has something better, instead of being drunk, be filled with the Spirit, singing or speaking to one another in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, making melody in your heart to God, and giving thanks always at all times, for in every situation, to God in the name of Jesus. So psalms means the actual, scriptural songs. So worship, dive into the songs, read them, speak them, sing them, set them to music, use them as part of your worship, and then hymns. hymns, I think, are songs that are written that are theologically accurate, that can stand the test of time, even when musical styles change. musical styles change quickly. And then spiritual songs to me mean two things. Number one, it means songs that are very fresh and current, like, bless the blessing, like a raise a Hallelujah, things that are very fresh and current, because they speak by the Spirit to something that's right now, you may not sing them want to sing them every day for six years, you may wear that out because they're kind of turns a corner and the spirit is speaking, some new things. So spiritual songs are our fresh, current songs that speak to immediate situations. But spiritual songs are also songs, that as we're baptized and filled with the Holy Spirit, He gives us a vocabulary of praise that is unique. And that is very specific. So we can sing whether in the secret place or if properly LED, we can sing in the gathering place spontaneous songs. So you see, with multiple different churches that do recordings, you know, they'll have their prepared song, right, and then they'll have a spontaneous after that. And so, you know, I think Ephesians tells us psalms, hymns and spiritual songs, and that keeps us well rounded. And so I would just say, kind of as a parting thought. A lot of people seem like they know a lot about worship, and they have a lot to say about worship. Then you can get bogged down in all the details of how much there is to know. But just remember this. Worship is loving God, with your whole life, in everything you do. The Bible can tell you ways to do that. ways that are pleasing and honorable to God. But don't make worship more complicated than it is. It simply is my life, Romans 12 123 surrendered to God as a living sacrifice. Everything I have belongs to him, although I belong to him. My future belongs to him, my life and my time is in his hands. So he's the Lord. And I'm glad and blessed to be part of his people. He is my father. I'm glad I'm blessed to be this child. And Jesus is my Lord and King and I am honored to follow in everything. So don't make it more complicated. Amen. All right. Well, Greg, I appreciate you really taking the time to talk to me about worship. It's been wonderful. We appreciate it. Thank you, Greg. And that'll do it for this episode. Until next time. Thanks again for listening. And if you liked what you heard, please leave a comment or rating on iTunes. This helps us get heard by more people. Don't forget to share it with your friends and family. Check out the show notes for more information. If you have a question or want to be a part of the show, leave a message at WWE dot remnant revolution.org. Until next time, Transcribed by https://otter.ai 

1:08  What is it to you and when you say that, when we say the word worship? 1:44  Well, I mean, the first thing that comes to mind is that the word worship has an actual, literal meaning and we shouldn't forget that literal meaning it the way worship is used in the Bible. The word literally means to bow or to bend at the knee, in prostrate yourself. So imagine, if Jesus did appear to us here on this earth. Would we recognize him? I would hope, though, and when we recognize and what would be the first thing we would want to do? I can think of a range of emotions I might feel. But if it were really him, the one who has saved me from my sin, the one who has given me eternal life, I think I would bow the word worship has literal meaning. And we should remember that because it's appropriate for us in worship, to actually bow and show reverence to God. But the word worship in the usage of it really, ultimately encompasses the way we live our lives because Romans 12 123 explains to us, he says, I implore you or I beseech you, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living sacrifice, living sacrifice, which is wholly unacceptable to God, and that's our reasonable service. And so for for us to understand what the Bible means by worship, it really encompasses the entire way we live our life in reverence, honor, and service to God. And remember, the greatest commandment is what? To love your neighbor. Yes, sir. And so that greatest commandment, You shall love the Lord your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, all your string, your whole being so worship has the literal meaning. And there are actions of worship, prayer, praise, singing, speaking, thanking, there's all kinds of actions and activities of worship, but it really encompasses the entire way we live our life in love, honor, surrender, obedience, service 4:21  to God. Good, good. So it's a it's a total walking out our faith, 4:26  wholehearted with all of our heart, fully integrated, meaning every aspect of our life is offered to God. Every action should be offered to God in worship. And that's a lot of times where we miss it, don't we? Yeah, because we we have our really nice songs from people are comfortable lifting their hands in worship. Well, I've really offered praise to God some people are comfortable speaking or shouting praise Some people like a short worship service with a couple to three hymns in there other people like, like three songs that go on forever and repeat and repeat and you spend 45 minutes, there's all kinds of preferences. But what God is really after is not a style, but he's after our whole life surrendered to Him. 5:20  I like that because I think we we pigeonhole worship into a box, meaning just music, and just going when we're at church, we're going to worship at church, you know, we go through the system, the system of standing, sitting, listening, singing those kinds of things. in your life. What's interesting about and I thought about you a lot of times is to your though you're not in a particularly Christian environment, I would say, right, in your professional field, more secular? How does How do you? How do you deal with a lot of the ins and outs of say, when you feel led to worship, or you feel like, you know, as you're living your life, that outward worshiping? How do you go about that? What's it look like for a traveling musician? In a very well known personality? person that you work for? How do you? How does that look for, for you, like your secret place in your time, time with God, and, you know, I know that I know, traveling here and there, it's never the same. So you've got to really manage that time that you're able to worship, to walk your faith out. Tell us a little bit about how that how that looks. 6:41  Yeah, it's, it's something I have to be purposeful about every day, just like anyone else. Be the maybe the difference is that each day can be different. So I may be flying One morning, and have to be like, in the lobby, getting ready to go to the airport at 4:30am. So, hope my pastor isn't listening this. But trust me, I'm not up at 3:30am when I went to bed about midnight, I'm not up at 3:30am, prostrate before the Lord crying out to. So on a morning like that. You know, it's it's getting ready and getting out on time. And just being you know, sometimes it says it's as simple as just praying, while I'm getting ready, and just asking the Lord to help me to be a good witness for him, you know that I show up with a good attitude that I'm not complaining. Because you know, anyone who works in a secular environment, which actually is most of us, your actions really do speak louder than words. And so it's not that you never witnessed with words you have to. But the amount of words is way less than the total of all of your actions. And so it's very important that you do a good job be someone who has integrity, who's trustworthy, who, when you make a mistake, you admitted that this is different than the world lips, you know. And so you just live out the Christ values, the values of the kingdom, in your workplace, and then trust God for opportunities to witness. But then on another day, it may be that we're traveling by bus and I can sleep late, which is awesome. You got 930 10 and get some coffee, and then I'm looking for a place I love that language because it's straight from Jesus teaching about prayer. In one of the translations, he literally uses that turn secret place go into the secret place, it's a private place where where no one is around, it's a closet, or it's an inner room. And so for me it you know, sometimes that has to be the the bunk and I just keep I keep my curtain close. And I've turned over and I've got my Bible and journal. And then once I've been in the word that I have to leave that and take a walk and just pray as I walk usually to a coffee shop with a local one. But I just pray as I go and that gets me a little bit of exercise and gives me time with the Lord where I'm alone. So every day is different and then other times I'm at home and I may or may not have to be at work till nine or may not have a session until nine or maybe I have the day off and so each day can To be different, but you just have to make it a priority that there needs to be a secret place time with the Lord, and you just make it a point to plan. 10:12  Now, have you ever or her when have you missed this? When have you had a kind of a god moment, a time where, you know, for shadow without a shadow of a doubt that he's speaking something to you in the secret place, and that that time whether it's walking in the woods or whatever, and you can almost tangibly feel the presence of God? Do you have any stories of like that, or anywhere where it really sticks out that man that time with him that day? And everything that or a circumstance or situation that happened later? really put the two together? And you're like, man, he came down at a heaven? And he touched me that day? 10:55  such an important question, Gary. Because, you know, for those of us who have committed our life to Christ, you know, we serve a God that we cannot see. 11:13  That's the hardest part. 11:14  Yes, it is. It's, it's almost like for the believer, it's almost like that is the most challenging thing about this life is that we serve a God that we cannot see. But we can experiences presence, with other senses. sight is one thing, you know. And these experiences are very, very important not to give us not so that we can believe. But because we believe it's really important for us to seek Him and worship Him and study His word, so that we can really experience all of the blessings, this side of heaven. As for us, and the real blessings are just like a mother or father who holds a child that's crying, that has been hurt, or is afraid, yes, that holding that child and say, it's going to be okay. It calms that child down, doesn't it? It's something spiritual about that connection. Well, God has His way of reaching our hearts, reaching our senses in the same way. And most often very, I find those experiences through his work. Because you got to understand the Holy Spirit, not just inspired the scriptures, but spoke the scriptures, to the mind and to the spirit of those who wrote it. That same Holy Spirit is with us. And if you're born again, the Holy Spirit has made you alive to God, and, and lives within you. And you have the ability to read the word now. And the Holy Spirit will explain the scriptures and the Holy Spirit will will speak to you and assure you have the love of God, and give me the peace of God. So I think of the hand Blessed assurance, Jesus is mine. Oh, what a foretaste of glory divine air of salvation purchase of God born of his spirit, Washington's blood, this is my story. This is my song, praising my Savior, all day long. This is my story. This is my song. So it our salvation becomes very personal. As we stay in the secret place, read his word, and the Holy Spirit to speaks to so I've gotten many experiences that I could share. But really, it's mostly that just the consistency of reading the Word and saying God helped me to understand it, but also helped me to know that you're here. And so it's everything from like, I'll read a passage on the love and I can just kind of feel it in my heart that he's without words without hearing an audible voice. It's like, picking up that child and just holding it saying it's going to be okay. You know, it's gonna work like that joy works like that. It's like, where did this joy come from? It's the joy of Jesus. And when you need it the most sometimes it's the most difficult to find if you're looking for joy in earthly things. But you get into that word, get in that secret place and say, okay, Lord, you said that I should have joy unspeakable flora. You said, My Peace I leave with you and I don't feel peace right now. You said that all the trees of heaven belong to me, and I feel pretty broke right now. So you turn to God and pour your heart out to him and get into his word, and then wait. And he always comes through. 15:13  Yeah, some, some of the neatest times I've had is, is, you know, you're in there and you're reading and, and you're, and I'm just kind of going into some passages and I get deeper and deeper. And then I'm like, feeling like, it's okay, I'm not wrapping up now. And then then the floods hit and he opens a door and I'm like, Whoa, and I'm just, I'm there for even a longer period of time, because I'm sensitive, that's where he wanted to take me it just took a while, you know, see, sometimes, you know, I'll get in that rush. And sometimes, I'll sit, and I just linger. And, and right when I think I'm done, he opens the door and says, Well check this out. You know, and that's what's so cool is because that's what I'll walk away with, is that, that last minute impartation of, of what he's trying to tell me. Now, as a, as a worship leader, I've had, I've always thought of, you know, how hard is it for you guys? You know, two? Or the one question I'm thinking about is now that we're in this new, short season of worshipping through a camera? How is that different for you? I mean, does, is there a point where you're, you're looking at the camera coin, this is kind of stale, there's no feedback, you know, cuz you probably get some feedback from the crowds and the church people as we're seeing in and you see people raising their hands and all that. 16:44  And it's, it. It's weird. Because if you think about it, even when you're like, even if you were shooting a worship video, you at least have, you're gonna want some kind of congregation there. And even if they know we're shooting a video, they still enter in and sing along and worship along with you. When it's just, you know, what we've been doing in our church is just really doing like, instead of trying to film the whole platform, and put a huge team up there and try to pretend like this is the full service, we've just been breaking it down and bringing the camera more close up having a smaller team. And basically just like if we came into your living room, to leave a service for like 20 people, or 15 people in your living room, when we come in with a full drum set, and two electric guitars, no, we just been doing for the most part acoustic and just looking right into the camera. And imagining the people that are going to be watching this and letting that camera lens be like looking into their eyes. Now the weird thing with that is when you're leading worship, I may make eye contact with one person in the congregation, but then I move right, then I'm now looking at a section now My eyes are closed. Now I'm back, I look at a section maybe I contact one person, but just for a second that I'm moving. With this. It's like sitting in like, Look, then and then. And then I'm like, oh, wait a second. Don't stare it down, though. That's weird. And then I've got lyrics over here. Like, our teleprompter is not like the normal teleprompter, it's just a TV kind of to the left. So I'm looking over here to get lyrics and try to make them look natural. So it really took just keeping in mind, how are people going to experience this, they're going to be in their living room. Your only job, you're not there to perform. Your only job is to do exactly what you do any other time. Just leave them in worship. So to some extent, I had to just, you know, decide, Okay, I'm gonna look at the camera, and then I'm gonna look away. I'm gonna look at the camera and I'm look away. I'm not going to make this more difficult than it is and, and then once I started playing and singing and leading worship, I was fine. 19:21  Yeah, it looks pretty natural to me. So it doesn't come across as this is kind of different. So 19:28  if it were performance, you know, like purely a performance, it'd be like, Happy birthday to you, Gary. It's not really performance. So you can't kind of stare the camera down and sing your song. It's still you're trying to imagine, you know, a room, 19:50  even if it's a room full of people. So yeah, I think we kind of got over the hurdle, but it's good. 19:57  Now we're y'all has been performing That one of our young members of the church has written. And I'm always fascinated by how you guys can take words and put it into song and then do that. And one of the things that I put it in our notes about, I call it the circle of worship. And I don't know if there's a real meaning to it, but I just envision God imparting to you words, and and you're hearing these words, and you're writing these words down, you're journaling these words, not maybe not purposely wanting to write a song, but but just fiddling led by the Holy Spirit. And then you're like, well, let's, and then you hear, do you hear a melody in your head? Because that's like, blows me away is like, how do you I can understand you hearing words God gives you, but how do you hear a melody, and then you put it into a track. And then you come before the church and you sing it, and you're like, That is amazing. And the circle part of it for me is when God gives it to you, you write it down, you come together with maybe a couple people or yourself, you put it together, you perform it. I join in on that. And we all praise back to God. So it's like he's, he's like here, Greg, I've got something I want you to sing to me. And when you do that, everybody joins in and it's just a circle of His love to you. To us back to Him.   Transcribed by https://otter.ai 

All right. I'm Gary Duncan, your host and I want to welcome Jim Domen. He is the founder of church united. He also has a book coming out soon that will talk about just a little bit. It's called anonymous steak, about living in a gay lifestyle and how that is transformed into him. But coming now from went from that to a pastor. And just the story behind that is amazing. And he'll talk a little bit about that. But we're gonna start with talking and I've got this up on the screen. You can see his family there. We've got what church united does, and so want a welcome. Welcome, Jim. And I'm still working on this zoom stuff. We'll get you tied. And there we are. Oh, well, hey, Jim, thank you for having me on your show. It's great to be here with you today. It's great to have you you know, you've got like we said earlier, you got three things going on in your life and none of them are non-controversial. I didn't I don't think God sent me in this world to create controversy or conflict. My wife is a peacemaker. She's not into conflict. But you know, Gary, in today's day and age, I don't mind standing up for what's right, what's godly and what's good. And I want to continue to do that. And as I told my legal team, the reason why I'm doing this it's not to win it's to do what's right to do what's righteous and pro namely in proclaiming the name of Jesus, that's really my heart. And you know, what if I always say if no one's gonna stand I'll be the last one standing. Well, that's we need more people like you and that's that's why I started the podcast are looking for guys like you that are willing to stand we all need to stand in some of us are more at the tip of the spear and summer are part of the stem of the arrow. But we all have to play a part. And so let's get into that. I get in that lawsuit first. And All right, see how that ties into what we're talking about today with the church and, and standing up? Sure, well, three years ago, Vimeo, shut down the church, United's website, hosting page. Then I got an email Black Friday, the day after Thanksgiving. I mean, think about this, a legal team, their legal team sent me an email the day after Thanksgiving on Black Friday, if you're not in retail, everybody's out shopping, or at least at home, recovering from Thanksgiving, the Thanksgiving meal, but not Vimeo. They targeted me because I was a pastor and a Christian and a former homosexual. And they said because I had my story on the church, United site. Now church united, we do videos of pastors in California, we're growing nationally, and we tell their stories of how they're engaging in government, whether it be at the city level, the county, state, or federal, or all of them. And so we had about 89 different stories of pastors' minds being one of sharing how I left the LGBTQ lifestyle. And they said that video and a handful of others had that type of a message. And they said we're going to discriminate against you. We're going to delete your account in 24 hours. I mean, think about that, Gary, after three years of work videos and pastors up and down the state of California, we're going to you have 24 hours to remove your content. We're going to delete your account. I mean, I was in a panic, I started calling people and guess what everyone's on vacation. People are, you know, no one's at their homes, home offices able to, you know, download stuff or whatever and I spent about good About two, three days frantically trying to find someone to offload everything. Thank God we were able to do that. But then within a week, Vimeo completely deleted church. United's account. Wow, I thought YouTube was the only one that did that. No, unfortunately, this is Gary,, this kind of stuff has been happening to me for at least 10 years, at a minimum 10 years. And I just think because of the nature of what they did, because they targeted me because I was a pastor. I was a Christian, and the month of December, you know, in the Christian world, and then even in the nonprofit world, December's the greatest giving month, of any month in the United States for all nonprofits. And wouldn't you know, they targeted me they targeted church, United deleted everything. We had huge financial losses huge. And it's we're still recovering from that. And you know, a little guy like me, a David and Goliath type of thing. All I'm doing is telling my story of transformation, what Jesus did in my life, and giant tech is able to come through and eliminate pastors, Christians, conservatives, anybody they don't approve of. And so I commend you, Gary, for your show, and hopefully trying to create a revival remnant here in our culture. Yeah, I think, appreciate that. Yeah, it's it's got to be in my thoughts is it's got to be a revolution, or me a revival is kind of an awakening. But a revolution turns over titles like Jesus did, and we need to be turning over some big tables, and they're the power of the Holy Spirit. And, and God's backing. We're bigger than they are. But they have the loudest voice. And, and there's the problem, they've got the loudest voice. The church has the numbers, but we don't have a voice. We need to reclaim that voice and stand up. And Gary, I can't be the only one standing up against big tech. I can't be the only one sharing my story of transformation. That's honestly what you're talking about, you know, your, your remnant revolution. I think that's, you know when we see a revival in the church, and then awakening in their culture, I'm praying for both that the church stands up, gets her voice back and speaks truth into their culture like Jesus did in grace and love. But also My prayer is that we'll have an awakening where new people are coming into God's kingdom. Yeah, yeah. And I think it's, it's happening as people are waking up, but it's going to have to be a major event, I think, to really kind of get the pendulum to swing a little bit. Now, how much can you talk about the lawsuit? Where is it at this point, though? We've lost every, every step of the way we've lost. I mean, honestly, it's it's, it's I am like, I feel like a loser. But in reality, it's like I told my legal team, I'm doing this because it's right. It's righteous. And we have to stand up against evil and against giant internet companies that are shutting down conservatives, Christians, people who might believe differently than they do. Now. What's the base? How's it? How's it? How does it read that they purposely really Oh, yeah, so we have proved that they did it. They totally wiped out the account. But we are suing for sexual orientation discrimination and religious discrimination. And these are based on the laws and constitutions in New York, the state of New York and the state of California. They're the reason why we're in federal court is that they do. It's over multi-state. It's not just in California, they're based in New York, and church united is based in Orange County, California. So the suit, although we filed in at the Ronald Reagan federal building in Santa Ana, California, in January 2019, they kicked it to New York, because Vimeo is based in New York, and of course, we've got liberal judges that have ruled it's so interesting, you know, it's there for freedom when it supports liberal ideology. But when freedom starts incorrectly when they're shutting down conservative speech, oh, you know, you don't have a choice. You don't know all those freedoms are eliminated. In essence, that's really what I believe the judges had done in New York at the Was it the second Federal Court of Appeals, the second bullet court, they've ruled against us. And now what are they saying? What is their? What's their reasoning for ruling against it? It is based on section 230, which if you're familiar with that, or people who aren't familiar with that, it's from the communications decency act of 1996. Congress passed into law. Really, it was a law to protect children from being sexually exploited or trafficked online. And through again, liberal court rulings and interpretations primarily to the Ninth Circuit, which is we're based out of in California, they have ruled in essence has made internet companies immune from the constitution from law, they can their free will can do whatever they want when they want it. They're doing it. What's that? And they're doing it right. And they're doing it. Absolutely. And we're seeing that from, you know, nobody liked me to a high profile person like President Donald Trump. I mean, and everything in between. They're doing that I mean, Shadowbanning, they'll take people's followings and they're deleting people. They're removing people. It's really unjust and so unfair. So back to the case that we're filing on sexual orientation discrimination, religious discrimination, and we're hoping we'll be well, soon we'll be filing to the United States Supreme Court. And we're hoping and praying that they will take our case and obviously rule in our favor. Well, right. Yeah. All these needs definitely needs to go the Supreme Court. And what we're seeing right now and some of that, it just, it's got to be a God thing, because we can't trust the Supreme Court even to do what they're supposed to do. Because we're dealing you know, as you know, we're dealing with an evil that is far beyond what we've seen in a long time. Oh, absolutely. It will reach to the Supreme Court just as easy as it reaches to our current, you know, White House administration. Sure. And again, Gary, I'm just telling my story, you know, it was me telling my story, and they wiped out an entire organization's videos. I mean, think about that. I mean, I guess they could have said, We don't like the story, we're gonna, you know, we're gonna delete, you have to remove the video. But that still would have been sexual orientation discrimination, but instead, they targeted me. And it was like, because you're a Christian, you're a pastor, you're conservative, you're a former homosexual, we're just gonna wipe out everything. And they did. And again, like I said, I'm grateful for my legal team advocates for faith and freedom Tywin Burch, who are standing with me and providing the legal services so we can move forward. And I would encourage other Christians or Americans, for that matter of this kind of stuff that's happened, you file a lawsuit seeking Look, you know, reach out to advocates or another law firm that might be willing to represent you because we have to I remember senator Josh Hawley out of Missouri. It's like Americans need to start filing lawsuits. So we can try to stop and raise the awareness of really what these giant behemoth internet companies are doing to Americans. Yeah, I was listening to somebody and they were saying we've got to remember, but it was a lawyer that was kind of bashing himself about being an ambulance chaser, he said, but we need more ambulance chasers right now that can take up court cases because it there is so much lawlessness, that it needs to go through the court systems and the way, that's how it's going to get changed. You know, we're just kind of quoting one of one of our attorneys had shared, she said, Jim, your case three years ago, was kind of a nothing case. It wasn't that big of a deal. But like I said earlier, Gary, I've been since I've been experiencing online censorship from Facebook, Google, YouTube. I think we all know, Google's YouTube's Google. And, you know, this has been going on for years. And now finally, that we actually have a case we can file. But because of all the censorship we've seen that's happened in the last reason, I would say do three years. My case is the closest case to the United States Supreme Court. And they've indicated they've wanted, they want cases like this. So we're again, we're hopeful and praying that they'll hear well, one that they'll take our case, and they'll hear it. Wow, great. Great now, and that's based on the church. United's website, correct? About correct all that? Is that okay? Go into a bit more about because we're heard about Yes. Like, you know, because I've been harping on, you know, churches where they, you know, what are they doing in this time in this culture. And I've heard so many times where we don't get into politics, politics is not our realm. Sure. And we are in that we are in the place we're in because church didn't get into politics or get into the government area. Sure. And sin people, we haven't educated the people we haven't educated the layman into learning to fight will carry limits. So here's a little bit why I started church united, I realized pastors don't know most of them don't know about government, they really know the names of their elected officials. And I have really had that kind of awakening moment when even when I went to seminary got my master's divinity. We never talked about engagement in government. We didn't talk about how what's the role of God's people in government and when I tell pastors that are awakening doers, either at our nation's capital or at a state capitol, I'll ask him or I'll share with them find me a book in the Bible. Okay, we all we're all preaching from the same book, where God's people are interacting with the most powerful, the strongest well-known world leader at that time in history. I mean, if you look at Joseph with the pharaohs, if you look at, you know, Abraham with, you know, let my people go. I mean, he finally a book in the Bible where God's people aren't interacting and praying with or john the baptist calling out. King Herod on a sin of adultery. I mean, that was a sin. He called them out and literally cost them his head. Why do we think in 2021? Or, you know, modern history today, that we don't have that voice anymore? God hasn't changed. Scripture hasn't changed. And so what I tried to point pastors to is, look, the Bible has God's men and women, Deborah, for example, in the Old Testament, in our area, or our interacting or in leadership positions, or Esther, in the Old Testament, that was I said, Deborah, I met Esther but both of them great godly women having a huge influence on government. Why is it do we think now? Oh, I only talked about Jesus. Well, wait a minute. Jesus was involved in every, every part of life. And we see I'm in the book of Luke. All right, the Luke was addressed to most excellent the most awful that was believed to be a high ranking Roman official one book in the New Testament explicitly to a government leader. And so I tried to help pastors go, look, if you don't know this, let church united help teach you so you can better engage. And Paul talks about when Timothy, pray for those in authority. Well, how do you pray for someone if you don't know their name? How do you lead them to Jesus, I lead my assembly member in California to Christ. How do you do that with someone? Oh, Gary, by the way, I like to try to practice what I preach is how do you lead someone to Christ? If you don't know them? And my assembly member, you know what he said? He goes, would you be willing to meet with my chief of staff and the rest of my staff so they can get to know you? So we know how to serve you? And you did? I told him, Gary, hell no. That why would I want you to meet with you and tell you about Jesus? And how do you serve the church or serve Christian people in your community? Why would other courts I said, Yes. So when these pastors go, Oh, we only talk about Jesus. Well, how would these people know if they don't hear. And frankly, I've learned the best way to do that is through relationships. And so it's really been an incredible journey. This, I'll tell you how this started off, my wife and I were I went to Washington DC, with watchmen on the wall family research council does a great pastors event. And I was so excited. I brought my year, my wife back the next year, I said, Honey, look what we're learning our spiritual history. Look at the history in the walls in the Capitol, and all these godly men and women in government, and so I couldn't get one California pastor to come with me. And so a year or two went by and said, Honey, let's take $6,000 out of savings will sponsor five pastors. I was number six, will take these six pastors to DC, make a video. And let's see what God does with that. Well, we went from seven, I'm sorry, from six, to 27, to 70, to 157, California pastors scholarship and sponsored to Washington DC, church, United doesn't charge pastors and churches, we raise the money, so we can send them like on a short term missions trip. And I tell you, the impact has been incredible to see pastors ignite, get on fire for their cities, their county, their state and their nation, and to be Jesus to their elected officials, to their school boards, to their city council members, and right in their community. So I the impact has been incredible. It's been so great. The New York Times wrote about us in 2018. And you know, I had a friend say, Jim, there's a mole in church united, they know too much of what you're doing. And I told my buddy, I said a mole. There's, it's me. That's it. And all these. What they're sensing is the Holy Spirit moving across our nation, because they're seeing pastors Ignite. They're seeing communities like the Latino community in California, switching to, to representing politically where their hearts and minds lined up, and it's been awesome to see that switch. The LA Times just interviewed me this past week, and they're freaking out because they're seeing this shift. There's a recall going on right now in California, and 54% of Latinos are in favor of the recall of recalling Democrat, Governor Gavin Newsom, which is huge. And I think when the liberals are seeing this and again, that's why I think Vimeo shut me down and all these other organizations are coming after us like this, because they don't want our voices to be heard. They kind of saw the writing on the wall and didn't hear them, they had a little bit more discernment then. I didn't the rest of us did to see what's coming. Hey, yeah. your feed says your battery pack needs charging. Oh, it does. Okay. That's why I went that's why I shared the screen. Oh, I can't see it. Oh, gotcha. Let me You can probably edit this out, right? Yeah, no, well, I'll keep your Keep your voice and I'll put in a way to share the screen let me I can't see that. So let me go pop in a new battery you're not walking, I can edit. I can edit. I can edit all this stuff right here. plug up, started back up. Oh, yeah, that works. Alright. So how can now this is? So this is really more of a California initiative? Correct with Turchi? Nine? Will California recall is the California issue. I'm just stating statistics that we're seeing a shift in culture. But yes, that is specific to California church united is not involved in the recall. We're a 501 c three. So we don't get involved in that. What I was just trying to share is that's what's happening right now. And the media is seeing a shift in the Latino community their quote-unquote sane. The Democrats have taken the Latino vote for granted and i i don't know if they're gonna quote me, but I said no, the democrats have used and abused a people group. And that infuriates me. That's wrong. That's which that's what they're seeing. And she asked me, Well, why do you think this is happening? I said, because you're being made aware of the truth. And church united does, we'll do some all Spanish speaking regional tours and awakening tours, to better inform the Latino, the Spanish speaking, citizens of California, again, how to engage in government, what government's doing to them and their people. And their, their awakening. And like I told her, I said, I think it's the truth that's awakening them. And that's helping them to see the shift what they're seeing on the polls now, like, you've got a picture on your page hereof everybody praying over one of the Assemblyman, I guess, in his office or whatever. Yeah. Is that something you do on a regular basis? Yes, we do. We will pray for members of the California Legislature legislatures in the California Capitol will do it for members of the United States Senate and members of the House of Representatives, either in their offices in the Capitol, we do that quite often. And we don't discriminate. It's Democrat, Republican, independent. We'll pray. We, you know, we've only been kicked out a one our former Senator Barbara Boxer literally kicked 12 pastors off out of her office, when at the end of the meeting, we said can we pray for you or over you? And they literally stood up and said leave now. And we respected them. We went and we prayed in the I don't remember the name of the federal building we were in but we prayed in the hallway out, you know, and like in a common area for them and their staff, but we wanted to honor them. But yeah, that was the first time we've been kicked out for asking, you know, to pray and like we're pastors, that's what we do. We want to help people in but you know, will show yourselves to the door. I think that's I think we're getting to the point now where it's an honor to be persecuted like that because now we're really starting to see what it truly means to be persecuted. not as scary it's hard to believe that's happening in America you know, as we're seeing it's just hard to imagine that this is happening in my lifetime that Yeah, they're coming after conservatives are coming after Christians are coming after anyone who has a you know, a biblical worldview. Right and and I had a you know, right now during this time if when people listen to this podcast or watch it, it's the Taliban in Afghanistan is is doing some really horrible things right now. Yeah. So you've got Christians being killed here. And if we're not careful as Christians today, and we allow this, I would call this minor persecution. Sure if we really think about what's going on in the world, this is, this is like a gnat, you know, you're flying around our head. What are we going to do? If it really gets bad? You know, where we have the Gestapo police like Nancy Pelosi group coming in and busting down our doors? Yeah, at gunpoint telling us, you're holding a church, you can't have church in here. You know, that kind of things? What are we going to do? You know, are we ready for that? Are we being trained for that? And sure, that's one of the things that, excuse me, I saw about what you're doing is you're going into the governmental areas in trying to prevent that from happening by praying for those leaders. Yep. And at least if if they believe differently, let's let's build a relationship. Let's build you know, that we're able to pray with the neat with then, you know, some of the experiences that pastors have shared, some of the elected officials will be like, what do you want from me? What do you want all? All? Does everybody want something from me? And they go, we don't want anything. How can I pray for you? And we, you know, we're in your community, we represent your we work with your constituents, you know, and, you know, I remember one, one member of Congress, when the pastor came in, she was kind of meeting like this with their arms crossed, and through the whole meeting, and the Holy Spirit just kept prompting on him to ask her, what, you know, how can I pray with you? And she was just like, you know, never really gave it a response. And finally, she put her arms down, and she said, my husband just got diagnosed with cancer. And so he prayed with her, you know, they're on different sides of the aisles. But that's not what this is about. This is about building at least a relationship, a friendship. And in growing from there. Yeah, you talk about things that are going on, I would, I probably wouldn't use the word persecuted. I think I will reserve that for Christians who are being beaten and martyred for as persecution. But I will say we're definitely being attacked and silenced in America not attacked physically, but digitally, and any, anyway that they can to remove or to really remove our freedoms. And again, like I said, this has been happening for at least 10 years, with my story of transformation leaving homosexuality, but it really hit the homefront when they wiped out church, United's nonprofit, you know, 501 c three accounts back in 2018. And that, that would be my question to you. Not that. But my question to you being, you know, not, you know, you're I was gonna say, you said earlier, you are? You're not a pastor now. But you were, and you're involved 100% into the church united? What's the answer? What is the church? I mean, my question is like, Where's the church? What are we going to do? Sure. What are we going to do because we are not standing up. And we're not being taught. I don't think our leaders are teaching that this is a war. This is a war that we need to stand on this hill and fight. Sure. We've heard, I forgot who said it, but he gave a sermon. And it was called chocolate soldiers. And it was something that was written 70 years ago was a sermon that was written 70 years, and he was talking about and it was like, so true. It's we've raised in the last 40 years, a generation of chocolate soldiers, that when the tough gets going, we melt, and we're not standing up. And that's why really one of the big reasons why I started the podcast, he's defined those that are iron soldiers that are David's that are out front, the Joshua's and those kind of, you know, where are heroes? Where are people? Sure, that are larger than life that are standing up? You know, I guess I call those heroes patriots statesman, you know, and where are they? My heart is that you know, we would stand you know, it's, you know, I, how do you how would you answer for people like me, I'm just a normal, regular church, go, church person, will and they're seeing this happen, and they're like, somebody encouraged me to get in the fight. Yeah, you know, because that we're hearing sermons on. We're hearing sermons. And I'm just generalizing. You're gonna go to every single church, I can't really say, but from what I'm learning and listening. We're still learning how to be a Christian and that day is over with Sure it's time now to be a Christian and, and to mean to fight to get up and fight that means, like you're saying, go into the store, I mean to the public house and do those things and pray will and so kind of it's again, this is why I started church united was to help pastors engage in government, and hopes that they would preach and teach differently than what may be what you're hearing. And what I have. Part of all say some of our success stories have been these pastors we take to DC or Sacramento, they get engaged, they start preaching differently. They're empowering their people. I've got one. So I shared all the pastors that we've taken in, taken Oh, well over 500 pastors to capitols from California, when and I'll just tell you one story of one pastor. He was one of the first that went that first group of six. He is now has a podcast, he's got a nonprofit called, his name is Pastor Tim Johnson. He's got our watch, and he is so engaged with meeting with his city leaders in the government. The school board in Riverside was implementing the sexual indoctrination of our children, K through 12, with sinful insidious, homosexual, lesbian, transgender behavior in the public school, starting with kindergarten, who can believe this, he started standing up to this and now his church has exploded from one service to four, and they've got to find a bigger place because there are people Christians are also wising up and leaving the churches or the pastors aren't addressing the cultural issues, and what's really happening in our time. I mean, Paul, if you look at the Apostle Paul, he went to the different cities and the known world at the time, wrote letters to the churches, chastising them, encouraging them, correcting them, rebuking them, why do we think we don't do that today dealing with our modern issues? I mean, we for some reason, we've, we've lost that. But the pastors who are doing this, I believe, are not only attracting people, but it's helping to awaken that remnant awakened or helped bring a revival to the church, and hopefully awakening to the culture. So we can change some of these evil things. Yeah, I think they that there's a there's a lot of people out there that are hungry, sure. to, to hear the message and get the teaching and in those things, yes, stand up for this. They love the country, but they love God first, and they love this country. And we just need more than that. Is there a plan at all to is this something that you're doing with church united, something that could be done in other states? Very similar? Or Yeah, just Phil we and we're growing nationally, we're having such an impact in California. I'm looking for pastors to lead in other states, if you know of any or any are listening to your podcast, they can reach out to me on our church, United website, church nada.com. Send me an email, I'd love to talk with them during the closure of churches across Northern California, but across the nation. I had pastors reaching out to me Help me I feel all alone. And I'm like, Don't worry, if you're in Northern California, we have a slew of the church, United pastors who were open and or help you open and you're not alone, you'll stand with you. But I started getting calls from other states. One specifically was in Colorado, this great pastor reached out to me and said, all the pastors have turned their backs on me and I'm all alone. No one else is open, no one else and I'm like, people are in crisis. The church has to be open. God doesn't say I'm going on vacation. I you know, to hell with all my people. He's engaged. He's engaged with us. And here you get all these churches closing doors and not reopening. And really, I would I have seen the churches that remain open, God is blessed. God has grown numerically financially. And but yet it's lonely if you're standing there by yourself. So I there are some pastors that have reached out to me, that I think will be our next key leaders in the states in the upcoming months and years. And, you know, the church united as is, how do I say this? I'm not I'm actively pursuing those leaders in those states. But it's the states in which God are uniquely is connecting me and them and we're walking together as he does that. Yeah. And I think, as you were talking, the we have got to as a congregation, stand behind the pastors that do speak out. Sure, you know, because they're going to get the brunt of a lot of things and but if your pastors not speaking out, the people are just going to sit there like they always do. Sure and do nothing. And I think pastors will be surprised when they start to, to preach and to speak the word that is of this day, that but you know, yes, when they do, they're going to get pushback. I know that that's what I hear people start complaining I remember I shared my story at a church are coming out of the gay lifestyle up in the state of Washington and a lady went to the pastor is what this church is going to be all about. And I'm like, you know, you're going to get some of that pushback, you're going to get some of these liberals or these walls that are in your congregations, don't let them pressure you to do what God is calling you to do to keep you from doing that. And I mean that that's going to happen. But at the same time, I think what I'm seeing is the blessing of the pastors who have said, No, we're gonna stay open, we're gonna meet the needs of the people, we're gonna preach the Word of God, as well, as you know, talking about how do we engage in what does that look like? Yeah, and I think it's important to, like, what you're doing is that I've thought many times we send our representative to Washington or to to our state government. And we just, you know, we're done. We don't stand up, we don't ever doubt. Yeah, exactly. You're there do your job. Well, I think a lot of times, if, if, and I'm just speaking for the church, okay. Sure. If we showed up in force to say like you say, we're praying for you, we stand behind you, and we believe what's going on. And they feel that whether, you know, they'll fill it in the spirit, but they also fear they see it in the physical, is that yeah, these people are really, they really stand up for this. So when the tough really get the times get really hard. They know if they make that decision, that they probably don't have to make because nobody's listening, they'll go ahead and vote on something that that if they had the feel like they had the backing of the church, they would probably make that vote and be able to stand because there's somebody behind them. If there's nobody behind them, they're gonna be like all the other politicians. Yeah, it's not only is standing behind the pastor but I, you know, there's also you have to realize there are some pastors in this country who aren't going to do that. They're not going to engage, and they don't know what Bible or theology they have. But there it's between them and God, and we're, I won't even waste my time with those. But the ones who are open to about Okay, what is God doing? What is he calling us to do? How can we better impact our community for Christ, those are the pastors that church united is looking for, and those who aren't afraid to take a stand when needed. And I got another pastor in Northern California right now that, you know, the state, the county, and the city is all coming after him, because he's got a school and a church. And you know, it's just again, they're bullying the church. And the church is, is standing up and say, No, we were protected constitutionally. And again, so that's a little bit what we see. And I want to encourage faster doesn't, that's what church, United's here to stand with you and let them know you're not alone. And as I see it, if we give the pastor's get this vision, they pass it on to the people, and that will help the people that are engaged to get people out to vote. It's and if we, if we haven't seen it now, through this pandemic, it's important who you elect to office and the decisions they make. And you can see that from the red states and blue states, just how dramatic that's been across the country, from the different leadership styles and how they've handled the pandemic. And, you know, we have to be involved in the politics of it. Which is, you know, like you say, I'm actually being a part of the smallest level of our republican party in our county. It's not a big, you know, it's not a big responsibility, but it needed to be filled. There's other positions that need filled by people. And if you have a Christian in that place, versus somebody that's not a Christian, then that's going to make a more Christ and truth filling impact than the other another side would. So you're sure and it's just at the local smallest level. We've got to do that and encourage others to do that as well. Well, great, I we definitely appreciate that all the show notes and stuff with churchy night will be in there. But let's, let's go and let's talk a little bit about your book. Yeah, that's a connected book that's connected to this as well, because I think I read a little bit about your story, but tell us get us up to date on how your whole lifestyle kind of helped. Didn't it help kind of launch church united as a how right? Yeah, I would say a little bit my, my testimony is unique coming out of the gay lifestyle and you know, I, I've always asked the god why the Lord Why Why me? Why do I have to deal with this? Why was this my thorn in my flesh and what? You know that what the Lord put in my heart one day is is you you will have an ability or he showed this to me one Saturday driving back from pastors meeting in downtown LA, he said You're able to connect with the in a room of pastors very quickly at the heart level. And it was really neat to be able to do that and or have him reveal that change for me to see that. But yeah, so my story I've been wanting to write my story is a book. Ironically, I tried to share it online, it's been deleted. So I was kind of forced to write a book, but I'm titled The book, not a mistake, the parents hope for their day, son. And it's my journey of growing up in a Christian home Christian parents kind of understanding that background even going to Christian Schools, and then dealing with same-sex attraction, and kind of what that looks like the book is broken up into three sections, mistaken identity, the stake in love, and unmistakable hope. And I think kind of under each of those and under each of those headlines and talking about identity, and how important that is that your sexual orientation isn't your identity. That's huge. mistake and love. And you know, I talked a little bit about the book, I was so desperate to love and be loved. I didn't care my partner was HIV positive and hepatitis C positive. Thankfully, God has kept me from those terminally ill diseases. But again, that was part of that. That unmistakable love and then the unmistakable hope, how we're talking about the hope that change is possible. It's really it's a book geared towards parents, but anyone who has a loved one in the LGBTQ lifestyle, it'll probably bring you encouragement and truth. Or if you're struggling with same-sex attraction, whether in the lifestyle or you know, struggling with, should you do that or not, I think this book will give you hope, as well. And in the full world, Sean McDowell is right in my Ford. But in the intro, I kind of write a note to parents letting them know, this book isn't going to change your child from gay to straight. That's not what this book is to do. Or the intention of the book, the book is to share my story, how my parents responded, how my family responded, how you could respond to your loved one, and the hope that change is possible. And even and Gary, I've met so many men that have come back to the Lord, even after their parents have passed, that they won't know until you know, until the end to heaven, that their loved one will be there. But it was just really beautiful to see that in so many people's lives. I again, I really think this book will bring practical hope for parents, and just sharing my story and journey that God's taking me this past, what 4047 years. How did that happened when for you to, I guess, awaken to the fact that that was not a proper lifestyle. It was against what God called? How were your parents alive at the time, when that happened? Give us a little background on that as to if parents listening that they have their son or daughter, yeah, like, um, I grew up in a Christian home. So I knew the truth, I knew the difference between right and wrong. And I always knew homosexuality was wrong. in Scripture Scripture, scripture is very clear about that. And so I always had that truth down deep in me, I really believe when Isaiah, when Isaiah talks about raise a child in the way of the Lord with all the, will not depart from it. So I had really great strong biblical roots. I went to counseling as a minor, which now it's real, it's almost forbidden in California, but at the time, ages 16 to 18, I went to a counselor, he helped lay an understanding of the roots of same-sex attraction that also aligned with biblically scripturally what's right, what's wrong, but like I said, I wanted to love and be loved. And I kind of said, you know, to heck with God, His kingdom, the church, you know, I want to meet a man and get married him. We marriage was illegal at the time, but we acted to pretend to like it was and we lived accordingly. I thankfully was only in the lifestyle for about five years. And what brought me back was, I'd say almost utter brokenness, losing everything. bank accounts, house business, almost literally overnight. not as dramatic as Joe but that kind of a story where all I had were the clothes on my back, not even a place to sleep. I had two gay friends who owned an apartment complex, it's a gym, you can come to stay there for a couple of weeks, but at you know, you're gonna have to pay a deposit and rent and I didn't have anything at the time and my parents said, Come back home and live with us. We'll help you. We'll get you back on your feet. I'm like, No, no, no, I've traveled the world. I've been to 40 countries. I have my own home and business. I'm not as I'm not 28 years old. I'm not going to move back home with mommy and daddy. But as God would have it, I did and now began to heal my brokenness. The relationship between my dad and I, my mom and really to have that grown-up time maturity time with them, just the three of us for a season was wonderful. It was great. And I joke with them now it's evident we were all walking with the Lord because we didn't kill each other as grown adults, you know, they talked about guests and fish, you know, your guests are like fish after three days, they begin to stink, but I live with them, I think for what, maybe two years, something like that. And it's just really as I re-establish myself, got back on my feet, started going to seminary and really gave my life back to Christ. Well, now, let me ask you this question. It's just this just the question I have. Sure. Because there's a parent could probably fear, you know, that, okay, we've raised our son, right. He's been to church, he grew up in the church and all that, how, how does that happen? How does it help somebody raise raised in the church, all of a sudden become get into that lifestyle? And, you know, sure, what I've seen in experience through so in 47, I've been to counseling I've counseled many men and women, young and old on this particular topic. It is a developmental issue between the Father and the Son, and the family dynamic. It is the environment, it is not genetic. There is no gene there is no there is zero scientific proof that it's genetic, that you're born this way, it's innate. Those are all lies from the pit of hell, there is none is what I have seen. And here's the interesting thing, Gary, in my book, I think 18 stories from around the globe, not just in the United States, white evangelicals, but these are black, brown, white individuals, male and female, in America and across the globe. 18 different stories, and they all have the same theme. They've either been sexually abused, you know, an absent father or didn't have a dad or never connected with the dad or were had different giftings than what maybe people might consider masculine. Maybe they're more artistic in the arts and drama and music as opposed to you know, football, baseball, soccer, football, yeah, construction. And so when you start reading and seeing these stories, you see this similar theme, that it was an environment thing, it was developmental, it was the connection with that same-sex parent.Okay, so good. Okay, this, this might show my stupidity. But just thinking about it, is it more prevalent? Would it be more prevalent because you live in California because it's more freer and more people accepted versus maybe a real conservative Bible Belt area where it has to be hidden? You know, I said, when you say the environment is that could thatwell, when I mean by the environment, it's the family dynamic, how a child is raised. And those sexual things develop, or those identities developed, probably between the ages of 18 months, and 36 months. So kind of a in a year, year and a half to three years of age, little girls, little boys start developing their identity as male and female. And when that gets skewed, it doesn't really matter. If you're living in St. California, and the Bible Belt, I grew up in a very conservative Christian evangelical home. And I still dealt with same-sex attraction. But again, it was the disconnect between my dad and me. And looking back as a kid, I saw my mannerisms, how I acted, how he behaved. And, you know, my dad connected well with my brother as he excelled in baseball and soccer. You know, I tried doing t ball, I sucked, you know, and it wasn't fun to play t ball being the last kid picked all the time, even soccer I did one year. And that just wasn't my gift set. And so were my dad knew how to connect with my brother, even my sister that was missing with me. And so really, it comes down to that relationship with the same-sex dad, or the same gender, dad, and then my mom, again, connecting better with my mom seeing the world through the eyes of the feminine instead of the masculine. And a lot of times when boys don't connect with their dads or with the healthy, masculine men, they shift and will focus or connect with their mothers. And so the feminine qualities and attributes are brought up and then their identity is or their wires get crossed, your identity gets connected with the feminine. And so I would say that's probably in my case more on the lines of what had happened. I'd never been sexually abused or anything like that. A lot of times that can skew people to go one way or another. So it really doesn't so much have to do with your environment as the location of where you live, but that family dynamic and your upbringing.So with the not onslaught, but there's so much everything is about The rainbow, the gay agenda and all that.It really is like an epidemic. He's crazy and it's offensive lines. I mean this whole what they do in June is just terrible and I have nothing against LGBTQ people. But it is not only being pushed down my throat in the public sector and government but here's the scary thing in California they are indoctrinated. They are sexualizing babies kindergarteners first grade, second grade, third grade, a fourth grade with homosexual sex, lesbian sex, and that your you can switch your sex. It is absolute insanity. And this is where people need to stand up. You talked about this earlier, Christians on boards, there are Christians all over the place. We're not saying any Oh, I don't want to upset the applecart. I don't want to offend anyone. I don't. We've been silenced out of fear and out of ignorance, and we just allow this evil to advance. It is. It is apprehensible. That in California in the public schools, they are sexualizing and indoctrinating our children. It's it's just sickening. And I wish more people would stand frank, I wish parents would take their kids out of public school spirit. Dennis Prager talked about that. I totally support that. We homeschool our kids. They're not getting indoctrinated by sex and LGBTQ sex. I mean, that should have nothing to do with academia.I mean, we shouldn't even send them to the library. Because even though I agree my city of north of here, they had drag queen storytime. Yeah.I mean, for children, what happened to bring in engineers, policemen, firemen, doctors, nurses, pilots, you name it. What about careers where people actually benefit the culture, instead of bringing adult entertainers to entertain children. It's it's deplorable. Honestly, it's terrible. It's demonic. And that's, to me, that's part of where we're at is because, and this is a lot of what God's been showing me. We are the gatekeepers, the church is the gatekeeper. We are guarding the wall, okay. Just like if you want to think about wall in Mexico, we're standing in the wall, we're standing in the gap between good and evil. And the more church and church leaders and people have the faith, open the door, the more that evil is gonna come in. And we've just allowed it to walk right in the door and come in the back door and go into our schools and or public places. And I think we are in a time that this is healed us to down is where we're at right now. We've been all that they say born for this well. What's that saying? We were born for this time or something for such a time as this? Yeah, for such a time as this. And I look, you know, I look at Ecclesiastes, he's in it says, you know, there's a time for wartime for peace. Yeah, I'm gonna hate time to love. You do not feel like we've been in a time for love for, you know, most of my Christian life is about love. And we need to spread the word of God, the love of Jesus, and we need to make disciples and always go back to Nehemiah and building the wall. You know, we're great at it helped to build the wall, but we're not defending it while we're building it.They had to fight again, build that right, john, it was 20 around the clock,right? We're talking about building for eons, and we've not done it with a weapon in our hand and it's time we need the sword of the Spirit. So Absolutely. Right. Yes, you can get a book at Jim Delmon calm or not a mistake calm you can order a copy pre-order actually, the book will be released around the same time we're filing our lawsuit or federal lawsuit to the United States Supreme Court. So you can get go to www.notamistake.com to preorder a copy now. Okay, so when you click on click on there you go. Make sure let me let's let me share the screen again. Okay. So when you go to his website, Jim domain.com, there's a little box in the right preorder book. There, it'll take you to the link. So you can go and preorder the book for $20. And I'm sure you appreciate it, because that helps. When you preorder that helps kind of get it free pre loaded for Amazon, hopefully, yes, put it on Amazon, maybe it'll be onAmazon and every, every digital place we that will allow it if I don't get banned, at least I talked to my tech people, and at least we've got the domain names, and hopefully they don't shut down our website. So you should be able to but would prefer if you bite from our website, otherwise, Amazon takes like 50% of everything. That's why Jeff Bezos is so rich. That is for sure everything. Well, I will put this in the show notes. We'll have links to that in the show rates. And once you once you get that link, that goes direct again, we'll put it in there as well. Sure, Jim, appreciate it. Any last words? It's been a pleasure. Great. Yeah. Gary, thank you for what you're doing. God bless you. And if you're hearing or watching this, let me just encourage you to take a stand, stand up for righteousness. Don't allow evil, to keep you quiet, stand up and do something vote and get godly men and women to run for office and to vote. Yes. Great. Thank you, Jim. All right. God bless you, Gary. Thank you so much. God bless you.  

Do you think? Do you think that tax exempt status is a factor in this?Oh, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Because, again, like you said, abortion has become a political football, where left and right are just tossing republicans are terrible at this too. They could have done something against abortion, you know, they, they have the White House, the House and the Senate for the first two years of the Trump administration, what they do for abortion, nothing, they literally did nothing, of course, expand it, but they didn't really do much they could have done something. And, you know, when I when I look at it, it's like, a lot of these, a lot of these, um, you know, issues that you know, are pressing and should be, really should the church should be on the forefront of fighting against issues is big on political and and so the enemy has convinced the church and the world in general that a lot of these human rights, basic issues that I think we should all be able to agree on murdering babies is that, but it's all become political. And so because it's become political, if churches speak out against it, then it's like, oh, like you're engaging in politics, we're gonna take away your tax-exempt status. Same thing with declaring that men or woman just that basic biological design, it's basic biological truth, that has been true since the dawn of humanity. And then that in and of itself is a political statement. So you see so many pastors not even talking about any of that, when so many of our kids are being indoctrinated and sexualized with this gender ideology. So when you look at that, yeah, definitely the tax exemption status plays a role. You know, a lot of pastors are not walking out in faith, but they're walking in fear being in and I that's I, I have great sympathy for them. Because a lot of their their income is directly tied to the finances that they get from, you know, the offering and the tithing of their church members. But, you know, at the end of the day, you know, Jesus said, seek first the kingdom, all these things will be added on to you know, like, you know, God takes care of takes care of the sparrow, how much more will he take care of you, if you walk faithfully not saying that's going to be easy, but you know, he will meet your every need, if you're walking in faith? Well, the route we're going eventually, that tax-exempt status will go away, because the people in power will take it away. So if we know that's probably coming down the road, then get rid of, you know, I'm not in favor of it, actually, because Christians shouldn't be incentivized to give to their church just for a tax write off you give because that's what God tells us to do. And so, you know, maybe if there wasn't a tax benefit that more churches would stand up for the things that need to be stood up for now political or not. And I just think that they're so focused, and you know, this didn't. I'm not trying to make this podcast about bashing pastors, um, it's about leadership. And if leadership is, the reason we're here in this spot right now, today is because the church Christians, you and me, we did, we advocated our roles in the society, in government in media, education. So when we're not there, there's a void, and there's a Dark Void, and it's getting filled with darkness. And now it's coming back to back to bite us in the bud. And like you say, you know, abortion should be the number one thing that all churches should unite around. But what blows my mind is you have congregations that vote for the same people that vote kill babies, and they call themselves Christians. I don't understand that. I don't understand how you can call yourself a Christian, and then pull a lever for a guy that's going to pull his lever and vote for abortion. Yeah, to me, that's just wrong. I don't get and now we've got the same group of people that think putting a mask on a seven year old sent him to school is an okay thing on a fake virus or whatever you want to call it. And, you know, I saw the day on I think it was Instagram. They were shoving this long q tip up this little infants nose. Yeah. And I'm thinking, why? Why do you need to test the chat? Why do we all why do we even need to get tested for this? We're all going to catch this. You know what, that's that's what we're dealing with. Because that's what a virus does. It infects people So, you know, go off on that track. But so now you did. You did you were raised in the church, and I heard a podcast you talking about? You know, there's about the Korean church and how a lot of struggles that you had just dealing with people again, you know, a lot of the things you said, you know, we're dealing with leadership that just doesn't want to see that what's going on, or ignores it? And is, how do you what do we do? What, what's your advice to, to young people just to Christians in general, what we need to be doing? Standing up? For sure. But how do we go about that? I mean, nobody's listening on Facebook and Instagram, because we get canceled so much, you know, go knock on doors, it's about at this point, we're getting to where that's how we're gonna have we're spreading the gospel, we should be spreading it anyway. person to person. What, what's your sense of where things need to be headed? And how are we going to address that? I talked about this on a podcast yesterday, but the approach is twofold. One, it's to you know, really focus in on your home and your immediate community. So Jordan Peterson talks about this where he's like, if you don't even have your home in order, how do you think you're gonna even change the world for the better, right, and that's the problem we're seeing today, a lot of these left wing activists come from broken homes, they don't have children, they don't have families to take care of, they don't have their home in order, if you go into their home, their beds are not even made their homes a mess, they don't even know how to cook for themselves, you know, they don't have their home in order. And so they don't have their home in order, then they go out and they think they can change the world. And that's why they're messing everything up right now. They're destroying everything right now. And first and foremost, you need to have your home in order, right, if you're a parent, you know, raise your kids in virtue and teach them to you know, love the things that God loves and hates, hate the things that God hates. And also in your immediate community serve, you know, get to know people, and then especially, here's the thing 74 million people voted for Trump in this election. 74 million, I think was more, you know, 74 million. And, and so, but when you think about it, each one of those people who voted for Trump and what just one person that they cared about and was close to in their life who voted Democrat, if they're able to change their mind and their heart, then we can see something catastrophic Lee change in the culture, and also in the way that you know, our country votes. And in our leadership, we can see an astronomical change of each person, just one, just one person in their life, got them to stop voting democrat and vote Republican. Well, I still have my thoughts about Republicans, but you know, they're the better option and there's a lot of good you know, there are a lot of good people and in the Republican Party, right vote rod like that, but your vote for the party that most aligns with your values. Absolutely. Yeah. And when you do that, you're voting conservative. Right? Absolutely right down the line. So it shouldn't it shouldn't be hard decision. Yeah, so then, you know, like I was saying it's because right now today being a Christian means you're a conservative in today's political you know, socio socio-political climate right. There's no way around it there's no way because if you're on the left, now you believe in murdering babies you think and you believe in Canada, chemically castrating children, and that as young as five just because they some, some, maybe the sun is like, Oh, I feel like a girl, oh, let's chop off the thing laying and you're a girl now. Like, it's absurd. And so there's that it's not a God at all. And so when you think about the Overton window, so shifted so far to the left, where if you're a Christian, today, you are a conservative, there's no way around it. And so when you think about these things, like you have to be able to convince and, you know, maybe you you aren't able to convince them with facts, but a lot of times you know, a lot of people just are very emotionally driven, driven. So showing them that if you're a conservative you care, you know, you care about them, you care about these things that are human rights issues and just highlight to them like what is actually going on, if you're able to change one heart and one mind in your life, it'll go a super long way. So that's, that's that's like the, you know, micro level approach. And then there's the macro level approach where like you're talking about you go to the school board meetings, you go protests, you go to these things you I know a lot of conservatives shy away from the phrase activist I do too, because when I hear activist I think of a person with like, yellow hair, and just like going crazy. And it's I get that, but you know, we have to be activated to influence culture and be in society, all spheres of society, Christians should be the hands and feet of Jesus, bringing the hope and the peace and the love that we have in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and that we can only find in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And so we should be going out there. So go to the school board meetings, participate, make your voices heard, email, the professor's email, your school teacher, you know, children's teachers, you know, go out, tell your corporations that you don't like what they're espousing. Go out, make your voice heard, be vocal on social media, because right now, what's happening. It's actually I think you and I can both agree most Americans don't care about all this politics stuff, they're too busy with the day to day, they just want to get through. But what has happened is that we have compromised and we have as Christians, we let go of the education system. And so the education system was turning out, activists, left wing activists who are then graduating and then going into these companies and infiltrating them. And so but it's a very, still a very fringe sect of society, very few amount of people who are super loud and controlling everything. But then if we as a, as a collective, as a church, and as Christians, and only Christians, but conservatives as a whole, if we all spoke out very powerfully, like that would change our culture, because people will know Oh, shoot, all these left wing talking points. Points aren't as popular as we thought they were. And so it'll change. Because, you know, when I first got canceled, when I first spoke out as a conservative, I got so many messages from people like, hey, like, thank you so much for speaking out, I could never speak out because I would get canceled. I'm like, dude, if every single person who messaged me spoke out, like with me more, much more people, many more people would have realized that BLM that the left all this progressivism is not as popular as you would think. And so you have to make your voice out there publicly engage in culture, engage in the larger community to engage on social media, be there be a voice, because what's happening with the left has done effectively, is they've done that they've gone to different corporations, they've gone to different spheres of society, they're very vocal on social media, right? So we have to do the same, we can't just give that up. Because of those things, control the flow of information. And those things control our culture today. And if we want to change that, and if we want to see things get better in this country, we as Christians, and conservatives need to do that be public, be very vocal, be bold, even if you fear being canceled, if every single person, you know, again, spoke out and was bold about it, then we wouldn't see is you know, we'd be on castable really, we'd be on cancelable. Right? we've we've given away our authority in Christ to a society that that's run wild. And I think a lot of Christians don't really understand or know, their identity that they haven't Christ. And, you know, I put myself in a lot of these categories where it's like, you're stepping out, but maybe not enough. And, and, you know, I really don't care about getting canceled. It seems like the left has an attitude of what do you got to lose? I don't have anything to lose half of them are, you know, living off the government dole anyway. So they don't have anything to lose. So they're gonna fight. But you know, you look at conservatives, you know, they got a very nice job. Typically, they're, they're hard working, they got businesses, I'm single, I'm self-employed, and all these things. And it's like, you know, I got a lot to lose if I stick my neck out. Yeah. But like you said earlier, we're at a point that you either stick your neck out now, or it'll be cut off later. Yeah. And you won't have a choice. And, and to me, this, everything we've been going through, is really a primer, for what Christians will encounter in and I'm looking at that and thinking, you know, how am I here? You know, I'm saying the church again, but you know, I've been in church probably 30 something years now, we've a lot we've, we've raised a bunch, a lot, a preacher, I heard him say, he says, we've raised chocolate soldiers. You know, when the heat gets turned up, we start to melt, and we don't get bold, and we don't stand up. And I think, looking at what really disturbed me the most is when we went through this, this COVID and looking at churches and, and just seeing how they reacted. You know, we're given sermons about fear, but we're wearing a mask. You know, I get the health things of it. When it first started, everybody kind of was on the same page. Yeah. Okay. We don't know what we're dealing with. But then we started seeing some cracks in the dam, you know, of politicians not wearing it. And then liquor stores and Home Depot open and churches were told they couldn't meet and they couldn't seem, you know, things started to come, you know, the people with discernment. I think, go well, that's not right. Yeah. And maybe I should just say, No, I'm staying open and we're gonna have church in service, whether you like it or not, and a couple of churches in California did that. You know, here in Tennessee. There was a few I think maybe that stood up but wasn't a big onslaught. And I'm looking at this going, Where is everybody? You know, here we are today. It's a weirdest thing for me. You walk in a store and people still wearing masks. I'm like, what's going on with the man You know, I feel like I'm in a third world country or something where people are wearing masks. The more you learn about this virus, the more you realize that we shouldn't be fair in this thing at all. I mean, it's really no worse than the influenza. And we haven't heard that word used all year. You know, influenza, the flu. Yeah. It got taken away by something else. But we've, it's interesting to just hear something, you know, not to fear, but then we're walking around fearing everything. And fear has gripped this country. Yeah, it's grip the church, its grip this country, and you know, the churches should be the first ones that aren't fearing. Because everybody else is looking at the church going, Well, what do y'all God's gonna do? Well, look, they're doing everything that we're doing. So they must not know any more than we do. So let's not follow them. So, we're not being great examples of what we should be doing. And it's because like you say, we don't want to get political. We don't want to stand out. We don't want to rebel. You know, I've heard we're render Caesar what is Caesar's, you know, really, come on. Okay, so Bonhoeffer, let's see if he rendered Caesar what is Caesar's then the a lot more dead Jews. Right. So and, and you look at what that I'm not a great historian. So and I can't remember half the stuff. But you know, it's, it's a read in one of his work was about the German church, you know, it was happening right underneath them, and they were totally clueless to it. It's like, wow, that seems kind of familiar. It's right under our noses. This whole virus is going on right under our noses. And if you just pull back the curtain and start really digging, you'll start seeing the money flow, and you'll start seeing the power flow, and you'll start seeing that this is actually wasn't an accident. And how how it's really, you know, what is it? Point 997 percent deadly. Now heard it today. There's more. There were more murders in Chicago over the weekend than there were deaths from COVID. Device talk about that. Yeah, we're making all kinds of wear mask. Yeah, same. Same thing in Washington, DC, same thing and cities across the country. I think, you know, that's really interesting that you mentioned that because I tweeted about this, you know, a lot of churches saying, I'm no longer a slave to fear and then, and then they go on to like, wear a mask while they're saying it's hilarious. And here's the thing. It's like, I'm not. But here's, let's say we had like, a plague. A play breakout play. Yeah. And it was like 80% chance if you catch it, you die. Okay. I think there's room to talk about, hey, let's not me, I don't want 80% of people in my church have just dropped dead. But then, like you said in the beginning, I think I was okay. I think I was okay, because we don't know this virus. When I when it first broke out, too. I was really scared. I was freak. Whenever I come home from Costco or something, I'll throw all my clothes into the washing machine. I'll wash everything because you know, I have immunocompromised family members living with them. I want it to be very careful. But like you said, the more that you learn about this virus, and the more you that you see what's going on, you realize it's not about your health. It's really not about your health. I mean, like you said, all these politicians are breaking their own rules, while you have to be a subserve subservient slave, and just obey their whims. It's ridiculous. They break every single one of their rules. And on top of that, this virus is not as deadly as they, you know, said it would be. And now on top of that, if you're vaccinated, then you know, you you're safe. Like it literally says, if you're if you're vaccinated, all the science points to the fact that you don't, you aren't gonna die from it. Like it's really, really minuscule if that's a line itself, you know, I mean, there right now, people that are vaccinated, are shedding. Right. So then so that, you know, it goes into my point, it's like it was it was never the point where if you get vaccinated, you can't transmit the disease. That's why the whole idea of vaccine passports and vaccine mandates makes no sense. Because if you're vaccinated, according to the signs, you should be safe, that's fine. But then, but then if you're not vaccinated like I'm not, I've already got COVID. Before I have antibodies, I have natural immunity. There are papers that show that natural immunity might even be more effective than the vaccine. There's no point in me getting the vaccine and there's so many different side effects. There's so many things to consider with the vaccine. I think I'm okay I'd rather just live my life and not put an experimental drug into my body. You know, because these are things to consider and then but then Christians are all like, no, if you don't love your neighbor. If you don't get the vaccine, I'm just like, do you guys even Have you even looked into any of this and it's absolutely ridiculous. And You know, so many pastors are gripped by fear. So many people are gripped by fear. So many Christians are gripped by fear. And the easiest people to control are those in fear. Like, you know, Bonhoeffer talked about this in his biography to where the German church was, like, you know, you know, Hitler had all the Nazis, they have the, you know, our best interest in mind, it's okay, we can just obey the government. And I've seen so many Christians say, Romans 13, and submit to the government. I'm like, No, that doesn't mean you blindly obey what the government tells you to do. Literally, the apostles in the early church were they were jailed. They're thrown into costumes, or crucified and burned alive, because they were in violation of the Roman Empire, and all these other, you know, nations where they preach the gospel, and no, it's illegal to preach the gospel, they went in violation against their governments. What Romans 13 is talking about is gladly and humbly accepting the consequences and the punishment that comes as a result. So you submit to that as a result of being a Christian and walking on faith and in boldness, and never says to obey everything that the government says it's ridiculous, all these Christians, they really bend over backwards in order to justify their passivity and complacency. I'm like, you guys, you guys have to understand what's going on. You have to take you go deeper and actually understand what you're actually saying. Because so many of what you're saying, so much of what you're saying is wrong. Makes no sense, has no psychological or philosophical basis to it whatsoever. You're just parroting the same nonsense that mainstream media is just telling you to say. And all these politicians are telling you to say you need to learn how to think for yourself. And unfortunately, like you said, we've bred and raised and cultivated a generation of chocolate soldiers where the moment they feel hardship, they run away and they melt. And so sad. Yeah. Alright, so I said this before, but given so we'll wrap up here, but what's give us our last step what of our steps we need to do like you said, we need to to go deeper. Meaning don't just read the or listen to the analogy. I don't hopefully there's not a lot of Christians out there that follow ABC, CBS, NBC, MPT, XYZ, CNN, Fox News Now, I mean, it's, it's I stopped watching that, firstly, Fox News, I've just had to turn that off. And, you know, I'm looking on YouTube for in MTD and, and victory channel, I got some great stuff in some of these other, you know, independent America, I think it was America, one network or something. Whatever. Yeah, you've got other Christians that are bringing you the news that you're not going to hear anywhere else, because it's been canceled. Yeah. So we have to start looking outside the area of the normal, right for what's right. And that's not conspiracy. You know, the stuff on the vaccines that I'm learning right now, you know, six months ago was was pure, you know, conspiracy theory. And it's amazing how many doctors can show you proof that it's not, you won't get any of that anywhere else. So you have to dig for it. And when our leaders don't want to dig because they think it's political and they don't want to get into the political parts of this country and what's going on, then they're not knowledgeable on what's going on. I watched something yesterday with Rob McCoy out of think he's out of his the Texas or, or California, his church. He had Dr. Rosen there with a scalpel podcast. And it's incredible what you people need to go to the to the Robin McCoy, listen to him, listen to the scalpel with Dr. Rose, you'll learn so much credible information about this vaccine and what's going on. And, you know, you have Christian leaders like that, that are standing up and looking for the information looking for the truth, not what's being propagated and all the mass media, you know, it should really make you wonder when a government is pushing something so hard, they're giving away concert tickets and lottery tickets and free McDonald's, then it must not be something that's really up and up if they have to give it away. Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, okay, so I went on a rant there. Sorry about that. So, dig in deeper. Knock on a friend's door, find somebody that thinks the same way you do get together and form a pact and go after it be more active. Yeah. So I mean, you know, you know, I mentioned this before, but it's twofold. Right, you know, be a force in your immediate community, change your home, you know, just like even if there's just one close friend or person or family member that you know, who is more liberal Should they open their eyes and do what you can and also, you know, be active on social media be vocal, don't be afraid, be bold. That's for me too. I risk losing my job every day. I mean, it's not like my company's super, super conservative. They do have they know, they celebrated Pride Month, you know, people walk around with BLM shirts all the time. And I'm just like, you know, like, it's not a super, super conservative company. I like I risk probably losing my job every day. But you know, I do it because I care i do i do this and I say all this stuff, because I care about the truth and truth needs to get out there. And so just be bold. And like I said, like, go deeper. And you know, to go deeper, like, don't just take everything blindly. Because, again, these huge corporations and mainstream media outlets and politicians, and professors, they don't have your best interest in mind. Now recently, it was it was revealed that Shaun King, the one of the most prominent left wing activists, He always talks about inequality. Oh, you know, so bad black people live in such poverty in this country, he lives in a nearly $1 million lavish home in New Jersey, I mean, it's like these people don't care about you, they really don't. They're all in it for themselves. So you know, not saying you should always just never ever, ever trust anyone, but have a healthy skepticism when especially comes to people in power. Because like I said, fires, for example, Pfizer, and in the first half of 2021, they made three point $33 billion off the COVID vaccine sales alone in 2020. Without decode vaccine, they made $44 billion. So they nearly doubled their revenue, and half a year from the COVID vaccine. On top of that, they're pushing boosters. It's not about your head, who's not about Yeah, who paid him? The government, which is which is us, you me, paid them liquor, which is Yeah, which is a little more complicated, because, you know, the government engages with deficit spending. So then, you know, the Federal Reserve just prints all these money, all this money, and then they, you know, try to pay it out. And then on top of that, they try to recuperate all their losses with tax dollars. And if they can they do bonds, and, you know, it's a mess. And so that's also something to consider, too, because Biden inflation is really, really bad right now. It's getting worse. You know, there's a worker shortage, the labor shortage, you know, grocery shortage, the shortage is everywhere I see this, you know, the supply chain in this country has been completely decimated, because people aren't willing to work and they're incentivized to stay home. You know, he extended the eviction moratorium, so people don't have an accent incentive to pay their rent, you know, it's ruining this country. And so again, Christians you need, they need to be aware, like the fact that our gas prices are like, twice as expensive as it was this time, like, a year ago, is not a coincidence. This is happening right in front of your eyes and under your nose. Because you voted for this, like a lot of these Christians voted for this. And so again, you have to go deeper look into it. A lot of this just honestly takes 10 minutes out of your day to do a simple internet search to look up what's actually going on. It'll blow your mind, it doesn't take that much work. And I'll say this. If you can't do a simple internet search for five minutes to look for the truth about a certain topic, how can you confidently say that you're picking up your cross and following Jesus, if you can't do something as simple as that, and you think that's too much work, and there's too much mental fatigue and all that stuff. I don't know how confidently you can say that. You're picking up your cross and following Jesus Christ. The other thing would be to check your website out or your your YouTube channel. Yeah, I mean, I haven't done all the YouTube because I've been pretty busy. But you know, I'm pretty active on all other social medias like Instagram, Twitter, because that's where the information was happening. And I want to be active there to just change hearts and change minds. So that's where I'm really active. Facebook, Instagram, Instagram, the best one, which one's the best one kind of really to get that? Yeah, Instagram is my main platform, but I usually spend the tip, I tend to spend the most time on Twitter these days, just because, like, that's where all the news happens. Okay. But yeah, Instagram and Twitter are like my two main right now. Cool. Well, Connor, it's been, it's been really fun, I enjoyed. I love your energy. I wish everybody had your energy. And, of course, you know, it's not a made up there. It's your passion and your heart for this country, and especially for the unborn. And I definitely appreciate that we definitely need more, more people like you in this world, to stand up and defied and to speak out. And so I appreciate you coming on the show. It's been a pleasure. And just keep up the price. Thank you, man. I really appreciate it. You know, glad to be here.    

Today I talk with Kangmin Lee a great addition to the Conservative movement. We talk about his past affiliation with the left establishment. How he realized he's lied too for so many years and now All IN on the Right side of Life. He is a force to be reconned with and is not afraid to speak his mind to this Woke generation. We ask the question "where's the church leadership in this evil culture attack on God? What the Church needs to be doing right now to fight back. Check out his Youtube Channel "Korean Christian Conservative" https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6NmZQyUU8i1FoeNqIoGzDA/featured INSTAGRAM Kangmin Lee

Today we finish up the story of FBI intimidation by Nancy Pelosi's Gestapo police agency.  Learn what we citizens can do toprotect ourselves if we ever end up confronted by the Deep State Authoritarian goones.  Get educated on our rights and responsibilities as citizens of this country.  Stand against tyranny and walk in faith.Gary Duncan  0:32  Don't you think a judge that issues that warrant? Should have been smart enough to see that your picture? And the picture that they had? was not you? I mean, they're the FBI, they should be able to distinguish from that and tell us how did they get ahold of you? How did they know? To find you? Of all people? Did they have a surveillance camera on you? at all? Or where or you know, on the ground? Or what? Well, according to Marilyn Hueper  1:06  their own? Sure, according to their own testimony, when they were raiding us, they have footage of everybody who is there, and I'm sure they have outside footage to which I asked them about and like, hey, look at your cameras, I'm sure you can see that I was outside of the Capitol and never inside, I can tell you that my approximate time of arrival. But what they communicated with me at the time, and now that the application and word have been made public so that I can look at it and rebut it. They had, they have a like a tip line, an anonymous tip line or a tip line where people can call in and they have on the FBI website, they have like most wanted postings in January six of the primary concern, there are live photos of people from video footage inside that they're looking for that they claim they don't know the identity of. So apparently someone called in and told them that I resemble this, this woman photographs two to 58225. A, or sorry, yeah, two to five a, that and it was somebody an employee from Alaska Airlines, according to the David, so they didn't tell me that at the time. But they said yeah, we've had positive ID, you've been positively ID, which sounds very official. But it's actually not what it means is that, but he called me said, that person kind of looks like somebody I saw recently, they could be the same person. They're considering that a positive ID. I resemble a lot of people I resemble particularly a lot of people in my family, probably a lot of people who have Irish descent who are Caucasian and aged and with brown hair. And I happen to have a black coat that day. They are based on this tip. I think this person even told them that they had been on our Instagram, and found my husband's post on Instagram of me from behind with brown hair and a long black coat at the Capitol. And so they were able to put those two pieces together. And then in the affidavit, it actually says that they've pulled my Alaska driver's license. And the FBI determined that I was the same person from the photograph of the woman inside. But they didn't list who this random SBI is, which isn't really a person. So there had to be a real man or woman who looked at that, and decided that which is amazing to me because I could look at their photo, and very quickly, you know, mentioned to them when I finally saw a photo during the raid because they were looking for the clothing that they said I had been wearing. And I said, Well, first of all, I already told you it wasn't inside the Capitol. So I don't appreciate being called a liar. So let's stop that discussion. And second of all, you have a picture of this person, and you haven't shown it to me. And Can I see it? And I grabbed it from them. And I said, Well, obviously I hate her because I've always been jealous of women who have detached or laughs I have attached your loves. So obviously that's a problem. And second of all, she's wearing a sweater. I don't even own a sweater, you have to see me wearing a sweater that ugly with snowflakes on it. So, and then I and I held it up and I and I held that beside me this little Xerox copy. And I said I'm sitting right here. And we can look me Marilyn Hueper  4:39  at me and grab the Xerox back to searching. And so that's when they laugh because I thought they don't even Gary Duncan  4:49  grim ruins. Yeah, so I hope we start with the part where you held the picture up. That's where he cut out. Marilyn Hueper  4:58  Oh, held, oh, I held the Xerox app that one of the agents was carrying around and looking for clothing and etc, that this woman had been wearing. And she asked me, where's this clothing that you are? She showed me a picture. Where's this clothing? And I said, like, well, first of all, I don't wear sweaters, you have to pay me to wear a sweater that ugly with snowflakes on it. And secondly, I have attached your lips, she has to be attached to your love. So obviously, I hate her. But is this who you think I am? And I grabbed the Xerox from her and I held it up next to me. And I said, Can we both agreed this is two different people. I'm sitting right here, we can throw because look at me, two different people. And the agent stared at me, didn't say anything, and then grabbed the Xerox back and went back to their searching. And so when they finally departed, I thought I like to admit you're in the wrong house. And who should I send my receipts to for your damage and inconvenience? And they went an answering they said, yeah, we don't do that. And I said, well, what's the next step? They said, as you'll, you'll hear from us. So when they laughed, I thought, I still have no assurance that they are going to admit that we're two different people. So I decided I'm going to go on my husband's Facebook account, post. From that day, post a photo of the woman from that day that they think I am and get my affidavit, my true experience out there. Not it's not a legal affidavit, because I haven't didn't press it into court yet. But get my public affidavit out there and get before they take control of the narrative because I was afraid they're trying to cover for somebody and they were going to make me be this person. Right. And so before they this thing, and bring me into somebody and keeping me in their web conspiracy, I wanted to bring it before the public because I felt like that was the safest thing I could do to protect myself. Yeah, Gary Duncan  7:03  that's good. And like you said in the first episode is that Washington and Nancy, and all those people, they're setting a narrative that the media is running with, like a lot of things they're doing right now. But they're setting a narrative that the low information voter is going to hear and see. And they're going to determine that everybody's guilty without any due course of real truth. And so what would you say to Christians, as we look at this and see how, within, who knows how many years or a lifetime or whatever, that instead of just being something political or patriotic, it could be just because we believe in Christ, or we believe that, you know, certain things that we believe as Christians is not. We don't, we don't agree with abortion, things of that nature. Because then that could be classified as hate speech. And next thing, you know, we've got the FBR coming into our house, because we posted something somewhere, saying that abortion was was wrong. And it's not right. So how, what would you say back to create, to prepare ourselves for that? Is there a way to prepare, Marilyn Hueper  8:26  I think we're at an apex. I believe there is I believe that first, we need to repent because we've reached this Apex because we've left a vacuum, we have believed a lie that I believe we believed a lie that we're supposed to just wait for a Messiah to come and fix everything, or to rescue us from the earth. And yet he gave us instructions at his departure to disciple the nations. And we have been stages and being. So when we vacate culture and government, then we leave a vacuum for other forces that don't have in this case, don't have the common vision of the founding fathers that affirmed God-given rights in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. And it I believe, what's happening is you have actors and people in the background and legislatures that have bought into the idea that we the people need to not be aren't fit to be governing a republic that they need the few and the elite to tell us what to do. And the way they're getting around. The Constitution and the protections afforded for us in the Bill of Rights is bypassing these executive order things about The fight on terrorism and if they can, they can really label us as terrorists, I believe that what we need to do is we need to remember who we are. We need to repent for not standing in the gap for our nation, and that we are not Rome. We are not a Roman Republic, that the Messiah's people were under that didn't have a voice and and had to submit, we have rights. And we, our Constitution, our bill of rights, affirm our God given rights, and now we have a duty to execute those. And departing and being silent, is just poor stewardship on our part, it's horrendous stewardship, we have to get back in there and do our role, which means that when these things are happening, we need to learn how to press our voice into the court. And the legislature can pass and even the executive branch can pass all kinds of manners of law, where they derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. That's us. We have to object, we have to take it to the court, we have to say this is not appropriate. But first, we have to know who we are. We have to repent for not walking in who we are and executing the duties that we've been given. Gary Duncan  11:17  How would you say go about knowing who we are as far as reading our constitution? Here's one thing I get some blowback sometimes because people know I tend to might be political, somewhat. I think there's an adverse reaction to Christians being political. And when you say political, it means to me it means standing up for our constitution and not, you know, just bowed down and, and just don't want to get into there because it's political. Well, you know, like, abortion is political to some people, you know, and it's and it's really nice. It's a life or death issue. Christians need to get political. Yeah. Marilyn Hueper  12:01  Well, and political, political, I agree, see is kind of a dirty word, it feels, you know, politics feels like synonymous with corruption and special interest. What I was, is that we focus on Kingdom Government, because that's our brain. And we're supposed to be preparing the way for his turn. So our role is to walk with integrity ourselves, to be involved locally. And in things like this not to let not just be armchair critics, they're training us to sit and yell at our television, that doesn't do anything, even yelling on your social media doesn't do anything away our system is designed, you have to learn how to press it into a court. That's where it has authority, where your voice as a man or a woman of God, especially if you can press your affidavit of truth is that's how all of these things are done. Any accusation against you has to be brought forth by a man or woman through that affidavit and learn how to bring it into the court, or any case you feel might be being pressed against you, or against others that you believe or are being oppressed wrongly. So we have to all learn a little bit of the law because otherwise, we empower lawlessness. So if we're just going to be armchair quarterbacks, then we are not stepping in on to the field, we're not on the field, we're still observers, we have to get on the field to have our voice heard through the constitutional method that's been afforded us. And so we're going to have to become educated, we're going to have to, you know, watch a few fewer sitcoms that night, we're gonna have to take some effort, or they're gonna take that as a cent because they drive the just powers through the consent of the governed. If all we are as armchair quarterbacks, then we have not accessed the path to dissent. We're only yelling at ourselves. So it's up to us. We have to get in there. So I have a website for I'm going to be sharing what happened and there's a lot to learn and I don't want to share and guide anybody into a dangerous direction want to share safe things like knowing what to do when they show up at your door? What are your rights because I didn't know I we asked, Can we make a phone call? They said no. And then we were like, Okay, good. We were kind of bluffing anyway because we wouldn't know who to call. Like, things like that. We don't know what does that means? I don't have an attorney on speed dial. I don't know anybody's phone number to call And now, you know, as we're in the process, as my counsel says, call anybody who doesn't that you know, and trust that doesn't have a gun to their head, right, then they're gonna be able to help you discern the situation. It doesn't have to be an attorney. It doesn't have to be a lawyer. Anybody who hasn't had a gun to their head and isn't handcuffed at the moment that you believe is has sense, is a trusted voice in your life. Just call them because you need someone to bet your circumstance with. And then the other one we asked is, you know, you have a warrant? Yes. Can we see it? Oh, yeah, you'll get to see it, you'll get a coffee even? Well, that's not the way it works the way it is. And when I finally demanded, like, I'm not going any further until I see this warrant, everything stopped. And they brought the warrant to me. So I learned even in this preliminary encounter, where I had no idea what my rights were that when my gut said like, this is not okay, I need to see your warrant. Everything stopped. And they did what I said. So we have more power in these situations than we know. And the purpose is to keep us ignorant. So don't access it. So when I said that all of a sudden, weren't was produced, I said, great. It appears I have some time on my hands, I'm going to be reading this and they immediately took it away. They're also not allowed to do that. But again, I didn't know what I would be looking for. So I didn't insist on getting it back. Now I know what they were cuz I was like, Why don't they want me to read it? Obviously, they don't know how ignorant I am that I won't know what's legal or not legal. But now I know that the warrant was only on the property, it was the search warrant, there was no more for them to interact with us at all. And so we had no obligation to be talking to them whatsoever. Marilyn Hueper  16:59  Now I know. So I would like to help educate other people. So you aren't getting buffaloed into Yeah, giving information that you don't need to without support and counsel that you're rightful should have? Gary Duncan  17:12  Oh, yeah, Marilyn Hueper  17:13  that's the starting place. They need to know how to handle themselves. Gary Duncan  17:16  Right, getting educated not. And that's, I guess, one of the things people might say as well. I don't plan on ever getting, you know, FBI agents come to my door, and I'm sure you didn't either. You know, Marilyn Hueper  17:29  I would say they're naive. And maybe, yeah, maybe it won't be FBI, maybe there'll be other, you know, enforcement agencies, or many abounding right now. And the same principles of knowing your rights apply in all those situations, whether it's a traffic stop, or whether it's TSA, at the airport, or whether it's a trooper, or, you know, wherever you might encounter someone from the executive branch and enforcement, enforcement officer, the rights are you the same all the way through. So you can prepare yourself, in some ways, small ways, and then you know more when you're being treated appropriately and when you're not. And that's really important because otherwise, we get hornswoggled. And they aren't required to tell you the truth at all. They have no burden on them to be truthful, the burden is all on you. So they actually have permission to tell you untruths, to get you to speak and potentially incriminate yourself. So if they say, blow in this breathalyzer, and we won't use it, even if you blow over, don't believe them? has them like fabulous, can you put that in writing, please? It's fine it or, you know, like the FBI agents to her saying, you know, just share with us you only have a misdemeanor trespassing, we're not going to arrest you today. Just share with that, too. Who are you hanging out with that day? That's completely not true. They absolutely wanted to arrest me that day, every intention and desire to arrest me that day. So they don't have to tell you the truth, but anything you say will be used against you. And anything you say will become a report. Any informal chat they want to have with you There's nothing informal about it. A 302 report will be created and everything that you shared will be on there. And if they start redefining terms of my goodness, they took the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution as evidence against us. A completely unmarked unread pocket copy that they themselves in the legislature still print and hand out to all of us. So if they can use that as our evidence against you. They can use pretty much anything, you just need to not be talking to them without counsel. Gary Duncan  20:08  That's very good. Yeah. Because we saw what happened to General Flynn when he had just a casual conversation with two FBI. Marilyn Hueper  20:17  Absolutely. We Gary Duncan  20:17  weren't going to we're just here to have just an informal conversation. It's unfortunate that we have to have this distrust of our government. But Marilyn Hueper  20:29  it is no way. And I think that's a big thing that we have to get over. And I still grieve. And I think people, the men and women at the January 6, there were a lot of people grieving because our current state of our affairs of our government is so much different than we were led to believe and that we naively wanted to think could be true. If I look at it, the more I read the founding fathers and their documents, I feel like they would be yelling at us and saying, what the heck are you thinking? Why would you ever book that we told you from the beginning, never trust the executive branch, never trust enforcement? Don't trust your legislators? If, if you could trust that we wouldn't put all these protections in? What are you thinking wake up people? So I think we just have to make up for the reality of the nature of humans when they have power when men and women have power, which is the thing that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. And they're garnering more and more power. And we are the authorizing agents, we need to start shutting that power down. And we have to learn how we do that lawfully. And I believe that's you're learning how to access, primarily putting our affidavits into the record, even just that which basically, an affidavit is a fancy word for meaning, writing down what was true in your experience and signing at the bottom and saying, This is true to the best of my knowledge, and I reserve all rights to the event and just putting that into the court records. It's just that has so much power, that's one of the most powerful things we can do. We need it. We need eye witness. There are so many eyewitnesses that January sixth, we need their affidavits on record, because otherwise, we let them write the history books, Gary Duncan  22:30  which we do a very good job of letting them write. Marilyn Hueper  22:35  We aren't good that armchair politics. Gary Duncan  22:38  So you've you're going to be you say you're going to be putting out a website for the purpose of getting those people that that want to tell their testimony. I know we talked about we do people stand website you have out Marilyn Hueper  22:50  it's a public affidavit. It's my public, making public the truth of my experience. Now, if people were inside the Capitol, you're in a very vulnerable, much more vulnerable position than people who never entered the Capitol, I would consider that a public affidavit. That's because I believe it's also important to be public. Because this is a war. Bethink of it. The war is for the minds of the people who have the power and that's We the People, according to our founding documents, the government derives its just powers from the consent of the governed, if they can win our minds in opinion, to acquiesce to their ridiculousness, then they've won the battle. So I believe that we the people who know the truth, and believe and understand that we're called by God to help bring forth good healthy government, and, and participate in the process, not just be cheerleaders or people in the stands, one of the ways we can do that is by not necessarily fighting on Facebook and Twitter. But finding ways to actually post your experience in a meaningful way on the blog or something or I would like to, I would like to start a place. Have a link in my website to a website where people who have eyewitness experience that was at January 6, who was not inside the Capitol, because of those people in a very vulnerable position. They need only to be putting their affidavits into the court, not out into the public purview to be messed with. But the 2000s of people are out there hundreds of 1000s who have eyewitness experience, and their experience isn't being shared, it's not accessible. And so we can't count at this Unknown Speaker  24:49  public Marilyn Hueper  24:52  the narrative that's being created by others. So if we can counteract that in some way have I Imagine having a website where hundreds of 1000s 1000s and 1000s of those are available for people to scroll through and help correct. They're like, Oh my gosh, okay, that many people are having that many similar experiences of not in an insurrection of just people lawfully hanging out at a rally and respectful fashion, that does a lot to correct the record. And then if those who are are willing, I believe the most effective place to place those as into the record, wherever this has is being experienced, or whatever the case number is, and I'll be looking for that, to press those into the records called pressing into the record, which basically just means having it on file that 1000s of people are saying, No, that's not what happened. No, that's not what we experienced. This is what we experienced. This is what we saw because the courts are where we buy the organization of our government. That's where the redress that's where the correction needs to be made. Otherwise unrebutted affidavits on their part declarations, if we don't read about them in the courts, they stand as the fact we assent to them by our silence. So those are two places, I'd like to see us moving and training ourselves up on how to behave, walk-in honor, but also walk in strength and truth when we encounter someone from law enforcement or the executive branch. So I think those are my kind of three focuses there right now. And then we're going to be approaching those with from we the people stand dot or g.org. And honestly, we've been accosted so many times, in the last two months, it's been difficult too, to even post but now I feel like there's I'm learning. And I've pressed things into the record. I've gotten things into the court clerk, and I'm learning enough that I can start educating and helping others how to do it, because yeah, now that we're on the TSA, list and other ways that we're being harassed, it's difficult to know how to, they're hitting us all so fast right now does mask mandates with shot records, threats with? Yeah, all of this stuff, they're hitting all of us so fast that, that we don't know how to respond. It's hard to collect ourselves. But it also means that they aren't letting us forget the peril that we're in. And that's the good part. So we don't want to become paralyzed because of the continuous assault. But we do want to stay alert and become forward actors or to act as acting aid, movers because we the people are the ones with the ultimate authority. Gary Duncan  27:57  Great, good. Good. Well, one last question would be, how has your life changed? Between and we've heard a lot about it, how it's really changed. But what when you look back at where you're at right now and from this, from your pre-January six life to your post-January service life, what is the biggest thing you're taking away from that? Marilyn Hueper  28:28  I would say pre-January six, I was under the impression that my duty primarily was to show up. Before January 6, I would say I believe that my primary responsibility as a lawful American was to show up at the polls and vote, to educate myself before that, cast an educated vote, and then go back to my life. And I had, it was on them because they had been duly elected. And now they needed to run with the ball and I go back to my life. Now I understand, I believe the true way that our documents are set up, and it always felt wrong because it felt very powerless. Because they would say one thing and then they show up there and they do something very different. Now, I would understand that we are not just the adjudicators that the election is not just oversight at the election counting, we're the adjudicators every day in our life. So when we encounter that, as the superior rights that are affirmed for us in the Constitution, it's our duty to challenge that and to bring it to the attention of the court or to the agency that's executing. So it's a much more active role. It takes work, it takes commitment, but in all honesty, if we the people aren't willing To do it, that we weren't ready to have a nation that is a republic, we're ready to be the lawful oversight because there's responsibility just like I have a business, and I hire people to help me in that, but if I just hired them, and then only check on them every two years, only check on them every two years, that's not gonna work out. So great. We have to be in there active all the time, not just from our, our yelling at our televisions, but we have to be in there in the ways they recognize which is in the courts, learning how to press things into the record, learning how to bring things to the attention-getting active in your local groups that are doing. Otherwise, they're right, we're ready for it. So we have to decide, it's ours to win, and it's ours to lose, we have to decide if we're going to get in and be a part of it. Gary Duncan  30:56  Yeah, and we're fixing to come into a big challenge with these endless committee meetings of January 6, and we're gonna see how that narrative is going to be framed. And, you know, we got over 500 people in jail. So they're going to take the 500 that are in jail, and they're going to swipe everybody, like you said, that big nit, of the 502 million people that were at the mall, and now they're all going to be assumed to be insurrectionist terrorist, you know, whatever the term they're gonna transition to now, after these hearings, Marilyn Hueper  31:36  and they do have guns, and they are showing us that they're willing to use force to take us with no charges and hold us in detention, with no recourse with no access to counsel. So there, it's a bullying tactic. So they're bullying the people who were there into silence because you don't want to be identified with one of these because you could be next. The lie in that is that if you're silent now, I guess a lot like Esther, right. And in the season of, we are all Esther's right now in our nation, we are the Esther's every man or woman is an Aster in the way our documents are designed. So if we're silent, don't think that they're not going to include you in the sleep. It just means that you're not going to get to participate in the solution. Because I believe Messiah has. He wins, he wins. And that means we win. But the decision we have now is are we going to be here, well done good and faithful servant. You stood in the gap. You were clear when unrighteousness was happening, you did the work and you pressed your voice into the record, you took some risks if we're looking for safe. And I think that's, you know, something we have to get over. If we want to have the nation you believe and that we were offered by the founding fathers we were offered it, and one of the founding fathers that are you have Republic now if you can keep it. And that's what we have to decide, are we willing to take the risks, rather than just quote How lovely it is that they all took the risks? Are we willing to take the risks, because if we aren't willing to take the risks, then we aren't going to be able to, we aren't going to be worthy of having a republic? But it does mean you know like for us we have already assented to the Lord that we're willing to take the risks. And that was before they showed up at our door. We said like, Hey, we can see that things are wrong. Something is terribly wrong. And we are available. We don't know what that means. We don't know what that looks like. We're not educated to know what we're supposed to do. But if you want to use us, we're available. And that means, you know, if you're signing up for service with the ultimate executive branch, you don't exactly have to get to pick where He sends you. So when they showed up at our door, I was kind of like, Okay, well, assignment accepted. Yes, sir. So you just walk it. So I think we all need to make ourselves available. And it might mean, you know, very uncomfortable things. It might mean a scary thing, but the one thing I would say is that we've talked about this last night. It sounds really scary from the outside isn't intense at each intersection where things are happening. It can be scary in between because you don't know what the next movies are. But at the same time, we feel very covered. We feel very empowered by the, by the Lord somehow or the presence. I mean, we joke about it all the time. We're just in the middle, you know, we're on the E-ticket ride at Disneyland. We don't know. Sometimes you scream, and it's scary. And sometimes you're looking at the scenery, and it's great. It's just gonna be whatever it's gonna be. So if we're going to call ourselves ambassadors of the kingdom, and if we're going to call ourselves followers of Messiah, you know, they're examples in the newer testaments. They were pretty painful examples. So we're gonna have to be willing to be uncomfortable. But I would say even if you're not willing, they're gonna make you uncomfortable anyway. They already are making us uncomfortable. Yeah. It's Yeah, now or later, either on your terms or on their terms. Gary Duncan  36:00  That's very good. Very good. Well, Marilyn, it's been a pleasure talking with you. I know that this is a continued journey for you guys. And we'll definitely stay in contact and find out How's it going, and, and all that, and I appreciate the opportunity to speak with you about it too and get the word out and it won't people. Just being aware, to wake up. Yeah. So this has been Gary Duncan with faith and freedom Fridays in Maryland. It's been a pleasure. Again, thank you so much, and blessing. Stay in there. Godspeed.    

If you would like to tell your Truth story about your experience on Jan. 6th, 2020 at the capital, then click the link below.https://www.wethepeoplestand.org/There's a story narrative being carried out by Nancy Pelosi in the Biden administration right now, in regards to what happened on January 6, its US Capitol. At first, when this developed, it was a rally in a protest. And as the media took hold of it now became an assault, a riot, an insurrection, a coup attempt. And now with Nancy's own words, it's a terrorist attack. So what really happened on that day, we may never know as long as the powers that be have control of the mic. As you will see in the upcoming conversation I have with two people that were on the grounds of the Capitol in the mall during that time, and then their subsequent 12 FBI agent siege on their home, you will see how deep and far fetched this narrative begins to develop in what they're willing to do to intimidate God-fearing country-loving individuals, and get ready for a conversation and a story that should make you really wonder who's in control. Okay, welcome back to Faith and freedom Fridays. I'm Gary Duncan, your host and again, we're continuing the second part of our conversation with Maryland and about their experience and their what we're calling I'm calling the Gestapo encounter with Nancy Pelosi his laptop. I think it was in April, y'all had the encounter.They were at the Capitol on the sixth, but we'll pick up, we're gonna pick up where we left off. I'll just give a quick synopsis Cliff Notes too, if you haven't listened to the first podcast, check the one before this one. Y'all were visiting some friends, I think it was just it was in Portland.And we had a wedding and South Dakotaand South Dakota. And then they just happened to know that, you know, they were following what was going on with the Capitol and the counting of the, the electoral votes and all that, and they checked on some flights to to Washington DC is like $39. I mean, $39, who wouldn't fly to Washington to see a historic event. So they went hung out down at the mall at the eclipse ground there. You know, from that point on it just it was an enjoyable time for him. But he went through the process step by step of what they did. So y'all were in DC, just thought you'd go down there, you know, $39 flight, who wouldn't go to, to do that. So you're down there, you're on the grounds, you're enjoying meeting people, and you're just having a good time. And so we left off when you were around near the Capitol about 330 or so. And you commented on just there wasn't any semblance of, of communication, there was no cell service. So you're just kind of Never Never Land with understanding what's going on. Because I mean, you know, half a million a million people run around with all kinds of, uh, you know, flags and agendas and stuff like that you just was interesting to what? What's out there. So what's going on? So I'm gonna share the screen here and show their timeline as we get to talking. Alright, so here we are, I think we left off around 330 you were looking around you just people, you have something like a Animal House. And you know, this picture showing all the people hanging around, it does look pretty wild. Again. So people understand you never went into the Capitol. Correct? Correct. Now never went into the Capitol. And sometimes it's good to state that because sometimes I forget that other people might assume everybody who was there within the Capitol, but there was only a small fraction of people, if you figure there were at least half a million, maybe a million people there. And I think the current count, they're putting out as there were maybe 600 or something. Really, that's a very, very tiny fraction. I'm not even sure that's not even 1% we have a small fraction. So the majority of the people who were there have no first-hand knowledge, no experience of any of the oddness going on the side of the Capitol building and of the people that we chatted with, because we got there pretty late 330. And everything of newsworthy, interested already happened before we ever got near the grounds. And we were just asking people as we went along because there was no cell service, there was no way to get any understanding in the way we were customers. Really, we all expect people to go online and find out what's happening. We couldn't find out anything, couldn't hear anything. If Trump was speaking to the people or giving any direction, none of the people would have been able to hear that. Anyway, I know there's a lot of critiques about how long or what time he took to share. But it wouldn't have mattered. There was no service for anyone to hear anything. What would have been helpful is if someone in uniform with the Capitol had come out and borrowed one of the megaphones or, you know, hey, maybe bring their own. Maybe they have some equipment to communicate with groups, I would presume, somewhere in their vast storehouses of supplies. But there were plenty of people there with little remote, you know, mobile speaker systems or just megaphones, sharing whatever their stick was about whatever they were passionate about. wanting to talk to people standing around, they could have borrowed any of those and communicated and given instruction or information to all the people milling around outside, but from the people we spoke with, and from our experience being there, there was never any attempt or add direction and nobody ever heard anything. them being asked to do anything such as Can you please clear a building? Can you please clear the scaffolding? Could you please back up so we can clear the building, there was never any information or instruction to any of the people milling about. So people just kind of stayed curious and hanging out. And whatever their timeline was that they had set aside to be free to be in the mall. They just kind of continued that way. For us. That was till four o'clock because we had to catch a flight at six. So even at the party at four o'clock, we were in a bit of a race to get to our claim.And you so around 350, you say, Rob police showed up heading towards the Capitol. So at that point, I knew something was was getting pretty serious, I guess.I guess we couldn't figure out why they were they were forming on the street, to the would-be the Well, obviously, I'm directionally challenged, though, not gonna attempt that. But we were looking for a taxi. We were on some street near next to the Capitol grounds. And we could see right, you know, a squad of riot police forming up and starting to march towards the Capitol building. And it seemed very odd, because it's, you know, a lot late, and there's nothing going on now that you would need right least forks for the weekend, observe all you again, all you would have needed is a megaphone and say can you please clear the lawn? Are you kidding me? You know, can you please step back here. And everybody would have easily you they would have easily done that. I just needed to know what, what they wanted to do. So there was nobody climbing on statues and spray painting statues and, and putting ropes around them and yanking them down.No cans on fire. And throwing bottles at you know, the police or whoever was hanging out there was none of that going on. During this there was none of that going on. There were people in all fairness, there were people enjoying hanging off of stuff, there were a lot of primarily young men there who you know, enjoy climbing. And they were hanging off of all kinds of things and getting their photos taken. But if there wasn't any spirit of destructiveness to it, I would say more just exuberance and, and energy. So they were some statues that were covered with people and people, I guess, not in a destructive manner, but more in a commemorative manner. Like, hey, look, I'm getting a picture with this famous person, this statue of this famous person or this famous person, or, you know, hanging out, taking pictures with the Capitol Police up on the balcony, or just standing around not doing anything. So yeah, no remarkable. And even in the photo, I always remark that even in the video footage, a few minutes, I don't know is that like 10 total minutes of footage that gets shown over and over on all the popular media sites. How well behaved everyone was. And in our own intrusion in our home, the rate on our home, there were a couple of Capitol Police there and I asked them questions about it and remarked at how well behaved people were that, you know, no paintings were slashed. And nothing was spray painted, no statues were toppled, and how amazing that was for such a large room. They could have done anything they wanted to and it appeared what they wanted was pictures of themselves in a place that they highly revered. And then that's getting portrayed as some kind of a seditious act. So, so how, so, you flew back home and you're just you're living your life, like, you know, that was enjoyable being there. But then as you saw all the stuff that was happening how did it come to be that FBI agents 12 of them, right would come to your doorstep. You know, granted, there's probably a bureau somewhere close by but you think, you know, Washington DC is almost 5000 miles away. In other words, show up on your doorstep with their guns drawn. Take us from that point on have you know, you're just one what time of day was it? That they showed up?It was morning for my very early morning. 9 am. Because I'm not usually up till 1030 or so cuz I'm on the night shift. And that's just I get up. And I objected to that. Point. I don't know I, my husband and I, we both like we were supernaturally parents somehow because we didn't take it that seriously. We just, it was so surreal and odd that we kind of laughed a lot and just kept saying, Are you serious? Are you, you know, take us to the site. No, nothing here. You're completely in the wrong place.So take us through that.Yeah, we never heard a knock on the door. But our bedroom is set back. They said that they knocked on the door. They were a couple of doors back from the door they were trying to get into which is kind of humorous because all of our doors were open except for that kitchen doors. We laughed that they could have picked any other door to come in and not have to break the door down. But apparently, they picked the one lock door through. So our kitchen door because our front doors are open or backward or open or bedroom doors are open. But our kitchen door between the business in our personal space locked, don't like s wandering and traversal space. So they found the kitchen door. Currently, they said they knocked on it didn't answer. It was 70. And all we heard was FBI come out with your hands up. And my husband has already headed in that direction because he heard some ruckus. And he thought one of our daughters was coming to shake him up to go to work. As they do sometimes, though, as he was heading towards the dining room. We both heard this. And so he's in his pajamas. And he heads in that direction. And they command him to turn around and walk back to them and they handcuff him and put him in a chair. And then I come out and they do the same. And then they ask if there's anyone else in our home. And we had a couple of friends who have come young men who'd come to help us for the summer had just arrived a few days earlier. So they had them come out and the customer, Gunny also, one of them being 17 years old with no Guardian, no legal guardian on-site. And they didn't ask who they were, they didn't care who they were. They don't ask any of us. I think they asked Paul and I but they handcuffed us all behind our backs, put us into chairs. And then they announced that the good news was that no one was getting arrested that day. And I was a little bit confused, because I consider being handcuffed, being arrested. And so I was like this already is not making any sense. Or they're they were here to search the space. They didn't offer that they had a search warrant that they were here to search this space. And that no one was gonna be arrested that day, which was contradictory because we already were handcuffed in my mind. And they said, and they just wanted to have a little chat. And so I immediately objected and said, Well, usually if people want to have a chat, they call it to make an appointment. And they don't bust in our door and hold us at gunpoint and then handcuff us. And besides, it's before noon, and I don't have chats before noon, because I'm not a morning person. So could they please reschedule? And they said they weren't gonna do that. And that they were going to have a chat now. And then one of the officers, one of the men acting as an offer said like, well, we came at seven and knocked and nobody answered. So we went to breakfast and came back two hours later. So we've already been waiting. And we don't even usually not usually we just bust the door in so I was like, is not supposed to make me feel good that normally you treat other people worse than you're treating us today because that's not encouraging to me at all. So so we were kind of I don't know why I started off immediately not taking their bluff overly seriously. I'm of course I knew they could drag us out any moment and you already heard plenty of stories about people that they don't have anything on that they haven't made any charges that they're holding in detention without counsel and without charges for months on end. So I'm like okay, I don't want to you know, push it too far, but at the same time, this feels like this behaving to me, I'm not just gonna be quiet about it. So they quickly separated me from the rest of the family and took me into a separate room and said, Well, you know, we want to, you know, come with us. And they uncuffed me, which, you know, and said, you know, you probably know why we're here. And I said, not really. They said, well, we're looking for Nancy Pelosi his laptop, and I don't think I laughed out loud. But I was sure laughing inside. Because I thought, wow, are they off the mark here? Totally. They really are lost. They have no idea what they're doing if they think I have any type of connections or any type of desire to do anything like that.But it took a 5000 mile turn at the wrong intersection, didn't they?Yeah, yeah. Right. And I got lost in the mall. But Wow, they were really lost. So yeah, they had agents, FBI agents from Manassas from the big whatever, the big FBI and Capitol Police there, and agents from Anchorage. And there were just a lot of agents there. And I was, and I said, Well, good to know, though Nancy Pelosi, his laptop really was stolen. And is that large? That's a real thing. That's no thanks for the Intel. What does that have to do with me? So then they said, Well, we know that you were inside the Capitol, we just, we know that you were part of the raid and you're working with? And I said, Oh, well, we're gonna have a big problem, because I know I wasn't in the capital, and that I wasn't part of any things. So we already and I need to know who wants Who told you that I was in the capital. And why does somebody want me to be in the Capitol, and I was never there. And so we started this debate. And I demanded that they show me some form of evidence that they had, but I was in the Capitol, they showed me a distant photo from one of their, their Capitol cameras. And they boasted like, Oh, this is from one of our Capitol cameras, we have hundreds of hours of footage that the public doesn't know about. And we know exactly what was going on in there. So we have footage of you all over the Capitol that day. And they showed me distant footage of a middle-aged Caucasian with brown hair with a long black coat on from the side. And from a distance. And I said, that looks like me who photoshopped me into the capital because now I need to talk to whoever is in charge of this because this is total, this is very weird. And this is really scary. Somebody is photoshopping me. And I said, they said, Oh, we have tons of footage of you all over the Capitol. I said, Well, I would like to see it. I need to see it. But they wouldn't show me anything except this distance side footage. That does look like somebody with brown hair Caucasian with a long black coat on. And so then I became very nervous. And I decided in my head that they were trying to cover up for somebody that was part of their whatever, whoever was planning this event inside the Capitol because it never felt genuine to me that patriots had broken in. So I thought, well, one of their they're trying, they're trying to use me to cover for one of their people that was inside the capitals, what I thought. And then I, I asked them, I said, so if you're watching me, who's watching your people because you guys don't have a very good reputation. And I'm concerned that you're planting the evidence, and then suddenly, you're going to find it. And I'm going to be pinched for it. So he wasn't very happy about that. And he continued to ask me, you know, we need to know who you were working with and who is following you. There are clearly people following you around in the Capitol that day. And I said, Well, obviously anyone who knows me would never follow me anywhere because I'm lost all the time. But the truth of what I said, which is that's not me, and I was never in the capital, but it's your report, I guess you can put it in whatever you want to. So he was started, he was threatening me to give information. And because I had not been in the capital, I believe, even though I was sharing and doing things that I would never recommend anybody else do. I would plead the fifth, ask for your counsel and stop talking to them. I think I'm still I'm still free because I never entered the capital. Or perhaps there was a genuine mistake and they realized it and were embarrassed and backed out of the situation. I'm not sure because there's a lot of people in custody right now and I'm not one of them. And so now, you had some When, uh, Jim Jordan that that has mentioned y'all during some meetings and some people telling you that they could string you out for a couple of years, you know, without? I mean, you're totally sound like to me, you're totally innocent. So they still have power over you. Right? Or is that the center getting? That it's just not a closed case? Well, I did look up, I have filed a rebuttal to the affidavit, which I would encourage everyone to do to find out if there you believe your name is on the record somehow for them if you have been contacted if you have had a chat, which means now you've consented to an investigation, they've opened a file on you they have filed a 302 report, I would find out what your case number is, what that report is. And I would recommend doing what I did, which is filing a rebuttal to whatever their affidavit is, whatever they have, or whatever report they've made on. So that's what I have started doing. And when I looked at that it's considered a closed case. But that's the warrant issue on the warrant and the execution of the warrant. When Jim Jordan spoke with FBI Director, Christopher Ray, his only response was, I can't comment on an open investigation. So we'll also be doing an FOIA request, we have a flare request into the FBI, to ask them for whatever information they have that they might be attempting to use to create charges against us. And in fact, we did have an attorney communicate with us and tell us that they are planning on bringing charges against us still from d. e, we have not had our local legislators contact them as well and ask them like, hey, it seems pretty obvious to the public to all of us that you had the wrong people, can you just let them go, just don't keep on stringing them along for a couple of years, just let them go. And their apparent response to that was to put us on the Homeland Security, high watch list, and make it very difficult for us to travel anywhere. Now. We have to get to the airport for hours before we want to go anywhere. And if we have any connecting flights, we have to have a couple of hours, there's that we can go through all their checks and harassment again. So so far, it hasn't brought any fruit. As far as us feeling less harassed and not on their purview anymore. They're definitely there's definitely still feels like they're after us.Wow. I don't know how to respond to something like that, to where this could be anybody. This could be you. Yeah.And I think that's why that's why our story I think is important, and why people tend to be drawn to it. Because as one person said to me, like, we're in America right now, this is where America is that right now we're middle class, minding your own business, small business owners participate in your local civic, nonprofits, government activities. And now there's a net being set in. In Alaska terms, we're a big fishing community here. So in terms of Alaskan, there's a type of fishing that's called perceiving, where you set buoys out around a large circumference. And then as you're setting those buoys out, you're encircling a large school, if you hope, a large school of fish, and then at the bottom, it's open. But once it's all set, then you perceive that there's a drawstring where you close the purse at the bottom, so that and then the boys are up the top. Now everybody who's in there can't get out, all the fish in there cannot get out. And then they lift the net and haul all of those fishes. And it feels like that, to me. That's what, I guess our executive branch is attempting to do with a huge segment of the American population. They're using this terminology like we're hearing from Nancy Pelosi and et cetera, to set the boundaries of what is, you know, insurrection now means people dressed up and taking selfies inside the Capitol. That's now defined as an insurrection. Who were they caused me there? Their misbehaving antics have caused me a delay. It's like now that's considered no apparent plan but a delay happened. So obviously now that's a seditious insurrection. And now these people and in our case, the FBI raided our home, they took electronics which were allowed in the warrant of the search. And the only other item they took, besides electronics to forensically audit, they were allowed to take anything that indicated an intent or actual planning of some, you know, heinous crimes with a capital on January 6, what they took was a pocket copy of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. That's what they took us evidence against us. So to me, that lets me know how they're setting the buoys, they're setting a very wide, wide net. And I believe, with this new move, where Nancy Pelosi is, is redefining terrorism, that now they're trying to gain cause they're trying to give probable cause or a logical reason to now purse, the net, and start hauling all these people in. That's what I believe it's, it's happening. So we need to move fast to get our affidavit into the public eye, because of our experience there. And we also need to get it into the court records. So anybody who would like to help to do that we're seeking to do that as well and maybe join with others. We're taking action because we're allowing, by our silence, we're sensing to the lie. And that's the way law understands things so silent, the violent majority is guilty. Verbal, people can get the truth of their account and experience on the record. So we have to not be intimidated into silence. We have to speak, or we allowed them to write the history books, and define everything and plus,  

If you would like to tell your Truth story about your experience on Jan. 6th, 2020 at the capital, then click the link below.https://www.wethepeoplestand.org/There's a story narrative being carried out by Nancy Pelosi in the Biden administration right now, in regards to what happened on January 6, its US Capitol. At first, when this developed, it was a rally in a protest. And as the media took hold of it now became an assault, a riot, an insurrection, a coup attempt. And now with Nancy's own words, it's a terrorist attack. So what really happened on that day, we may never know as long as the powers that be have control of the mic. As you will see in the upcoming conversation I have with two people that were on the grounds of the Capitol in the mall during that time, and then their subsequent 12 FBI agent siege on their home, you will see how deep and far fetched this narrative begins to develop in what they're willing to do to intimidate God fearing country loving individuals, and get ready for a conversation and a story that should make you really wonder who's in control. Okay, welcome to remnant revolution with this episode of faith, freedom Fridays, and I'm here with a special guest, Paul and Marilyn Hooper. Now Paul's not with us but Maryland's here, they're from Homer, Alaska. So that's about south of Anchorage not sure how far, quite a bit in it at a four-hour drive, four-hour drive, okay. You're going to have an unbelievable experience, listen to the story that they go through just regular people that got caught up in what the January 6 at the Capitol. events happened, and they just got caught up in it. And you really need to hear this story. Because this could be you. It could be anybody right now but wanted to introduce you to her Maryland. Thanks for coming on the podcast. I thank you for inviting me. I'm excited to be here. So tell us a little bit about you guys. You're operating in. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Tell us a little bit about your background just so people know that. You're not some crazy, you know, far left far-right person you're not you're just Christian. Well, we spirit fear old. Yeah.And we do live in Homer, Alaska, which shouldn't make, you know, makes us a little suspect for many things. One of the favorite bumper stickers there is. We're here cuz we're not all there. So I can't vouch completely for being normal. Most people who live in Alaska, try to avoid being too normal. Because otherwise, you know, live in the lower 48. But as far as in this context, I would say we're, you know, pretty dull and boring. As far as there's one of the reasons we live at the end of the road as far away as you can get from all the goings-on in the lower 48 is so big, you're pulled into all the goings-on in the lower 48. So it's a surprise to us, and a surprise to the community to have DC show up in Homer?A 4500 miles from Washington DC is where y'all are located. So yeah, I want the audience to understand 4500 miles away, they're enjoying life after they made a little visit to DC.So we we moved to Alaska, I moved there sight, unseen, my husband had been for a couple of weeks backpacking trip and fell in love with the area of Homer in particularly. And he kept talking about it, and he wanted to go for a visit. And finally I said, you know, there's nothing down here that we're that interested in. Let's just pack up and go and see if we'd love it or not. So we I got to Homer, and it's just a great mix of hippie, good food good are lots of variety of people, you have all spectrums of political views. And I like the diversity. The scenery is spectacular. And it's a place I say, I love the priorities of the people there because nobody cares what you drive, what you wear, what how big your house is. And I was just refreshing to be somewhere where people just want to know who you are in. What's what you're passionate about why? So we got there. And like most people who move to Homer, we had to figure out a way to make a living. And we had always been dragging people home with us that we met and putting them up and letting them eat all of our food for free. So we kind of suspected we might be good at hospitality. And then we thought, what would it be like if we bought a little place then did kind of a bed and breakfast and people actually paid to eat all of our food instead of just freeloading? So that's how it started about 21 years ago, and we're still in the same location. And we must have guessed right, because it's still working for us. Well,yeah, I saw some pictures on your Instagram of there's a deck overlooking the lake, I'll fetch your house, that's beautiful. Just to be able to just sit in there. That'd be cool. Just to sit out there and just drink in the scenery. And yeah, I say the away from it all. Yeah, be away from it all. And our motto, our intention is to bring heaven to earth. And that's a deck overlooking catch Mark Bay, in Homer, and it actually has huge tidal variation. So sometimes it looks like a quiet lake. And sometimes it looks like a very big angry ocean, we have waves will come all the way up over the 15 foot sea wall, when there's a good storm going on outside, and we have almost a 30 foot tidal variation from high tide, low tide, twice the day. So it's a very active place today on that deck of those lots to stay.So how did somebody in just this nice, sleepy, enjoyable area end up in Washington DC, on January 6, and then as you will explain a little bit later, with several FBI agents with guns at your doorstep? How does that happen? I mean, help people understand well, right. As far as getting to DC is, how we got there is not that unusual for Alaskans. Anyway, in that whenever you leave Alaska, because it is such a large, long journey, especially coming from Homer, which is still a four-hour drive to the airport, and then a flight down, and then a flight wherever you actually want to go intend to want to make it count. And this was January, so it's very winter, in Alaska, we were heading down to a friend's wedding in South Dakota, which not exactly what we're Alaskans are looking to go into that but good friends. So we went have ever told ourselves, all right, we're gonna make it up for this wedding, then, you know, we're not going to put all that traveled to waste, let's stay outside as long as we can. And so we had some time in Vegas, we had some time in Phoenix planned, grabs the sunshine play. And there was we've been I've been closely following the adjudicators and the people who have attempted to adjudicate the, for the election count, and have been listening to the eyewitness testimonies from any of the state hearing. So I had concerns about the process and was very process-oriented. And I was concerned about what was happening to the election process. And then I heard that there had been some kind of a tweet or something that went out, I don't have any social media. So I'm not. I don't follow any of them not tied in. With all those goings-on, I have too much to do, to sit on social media as far as so. And I run a spa and I want to have a peaceful life in her life. And I don't see that social media contributes to that, though. I just tend to avoid it. But I did hear that there was some kind of a tweet that had gone out and that people were invited who wanted to ask questions or stand-in and asked Congress to take a closer look at this to hold the states accountable for their electoral processes. And it happened to be the day before we had to get to return. So I thought, well, this sounds to me like maybe I got an opportunity. Maybe we're supposed to be going to this and looked online to see what was tickets, how much were tickets fee to get from Phoenix to DC for the day of the rally. And it was like 36 bucks the person and just because the tickets were so cheap, we almost would have gone anyway. Because you can't fly. We can fly from Homer to Anchorage. It's a 30-minute flight and it costs $150. So you can fly across the country for $36 you just need to do it. So yeah, that's how we got there.So you guys were at the rally. And I'm going to pull up screenshots so we can get into showing a little bit. Now for those that are on the podcast, you won't see this, you can go to the YouTube channel and check it out. Let's see, I see the map. Okay. All right. So basically, you guys flew out to DC. Tell us a little bit I guess about, just real quickly, this website you've set up we the people stand? It's kind of a because of all that you've gone through, you set this site up for other people that have had experiences in DC that need to know what's going on? that correct?That is correct. I'm actually hoping it serves a number of functions. One of the things I'm learning as I'm becoming more educated about how the law works is that any assertions or accusation unrebutted stands as truth. And since I had a bunch of agents with a lot of accusations show up in my home with guns, and pitchforks, I believed that it was important for me to rebut their accusations. And they didn't seem interested in letting me do that with them. So I thought that my best recourse was to bring it to the public. And I was encouraged, though, I wanted to put it there. So I was on record as to what my actions had been that day, anything that I had or hadn't been involved, and then also to encourage others to have a voice of sharing what their eyewitness experiences, because we're getting a lot of blowback on popular media, creating, in my mind creating a narrative. And most of the people who are speaking about it are not eyewitnesses to the event. And the way they're putting together I guess that's one way I've explained it as we have a number of friends who were involved in what are they called reality TV shows. And so it's hard to remember what they're called because of how little reality is in them. And I've learned from these friends that that they'll create a story arc for the show, they'll take a lot of footage. And apparently, the FBI has hundreds of hours of footage. That's what they told me. And now that's coming out in the media as well. And they're handpicking a few slices of that to fit and a narrative and arc story that they wanted to create. But if you looked at the footage in totality, it wouldn't support that story at all. So I believe that not just myself, but there were hundreds of 1000s of patriots there, I believe we need to rebut the story, we need to share our experience our eyewitness experience about what's going on, I would caution that if you had been invited inside of the Capitol or been side of the Capitol, don't share because that you're in a very vulnerable situation. But the hundreds of 1000s the majority of people were never in the capital. And in many, we're never even near the capital. So those people I believe, are in a safe enough position to get their stories on record, cuz we need to not let the history books reflect what's being presumed and accused inserted. And if we don't rebut it, but stance is true. So we need to rebut it. Good point. And this is where you, you guys come into all this is that go through, we'll walk through this, but you actually never made it into the capital, you were on the grounds, but you were never in the capital. And as you'll see in just minute things. You know, things went really way off the charts of several months later. So take us through your day there. And we'll kind of walk through this. So you got there. What, eight o'clock, sir. So we have an uneventful flight in Yeah, we had an uneventful flight in the night before I stayed outside of DC where we could actually enjoy a meal. They had DC very locked down and then grabbed an Uber in in the morning, probably 70 and get in line with the other hundreds of 1000s of people. And we don't usually do lines but since your since it was just a day of standing around anyway, we thought well, we'll get into the line to go into the lips because if we're gonna be here all the way from Alaska, we might as well be up close to not just looking at it from jumbotrons you know, a mile back. So we went ahead and got in the long line to see if we could be seven The people in the ellipse up close to the platform and get to have eyes, eye eyes on close enough to see ourselves the people speaking. And that was a, you know, a couple of hour journey to get into the ellipse. And then once in there, you just hang out, you do all the things you do when you're at a rally, this is my first one. But it seemed very typical, you chair these things you chance you, you know, visit with the other people around you. So it's six hours of standing around, basically, in the cold, it rained a little bit it was about it was almost it was prior to right around freezing. And then when the they announced Trump about 11am, and according to the schedule, we had seen there were supposed to be a break from 9am till noonish. And then everyone was supposed to walk to the Capitol and stand up for the Capitol. Be there for the one o'clock when it went into session, and just be a presence outside saying Hi, we're here. Or we have eyes on, you know, do the right thing. And they, the speaker started at 9am and then 11. And they announced Trump. And then an hour later he came out to speak so.So that was odd. to people around. Well, that's but I've never been to anything. So I mentioned that. And they said oh, he's always late. So I was like, okay, and I'm thinking in my head. But aren't we supposed to walk to the Capitol by 10 o'clock, because it's at least a 45-minute walk, because it's a long way away? And this is hundreds of 1000s maybe a million people. But whatever is shown on the map here. elliptical grounds South is over here. And then you've walked on took it you say it took you an hour and 38 minutes? Well, that was your timeline. Back then it takes longer if you go the wrong opposite way first. So like over here to the one that was part of our challenges, yeah, being directionally challenged. And so when Trump showed up at noon to start speaking, I thought, well, maybe he's just gonna keep it short. So we can all walk down there. But he didn't keep it short. He went over an hour. So he didn't finish till after one o'clock. And, and a lot of people were kind of complaining, like, Hey, I weren't supposed to walk to the capitals. So but you know, it's not our show. So then finally, he finished that, about 110 15. And there's cheering and music, and then we're all supposed to walk down to the Capitol. And by this point, half the people were around and going, like, what's the point? whatever they're gonna do, they've already done and we're still here. So half people, we're around, we're like, yeah, we're just going to lunch and going home. People left left the mall that we had been near.Now you say, one spot here, you say hurting and praying with intensity and resolve. So there's a lot of prayer going on with different groups. And yeah, lots are going on and meet, we had an hour between when they announced Trump coming out when he actually did come out. So there was a lot of opportunity in time just to be in prayer. So there was a lot of prayer going on. And people just, it really had a sense of holy ground that people were just grieving and concerned that there were severe problems with the electoral process, and that the legislature, there was fear the legislature wouldn't be willing to address your look at it. So just a lot of intercession and prayer and hoping for, for the nation.So won a bunch of terrorists and anarchism, anarchistic. Things like that. milling around, down, down where you guys read?Well, there were definitely a number of people. Yeah, there are definitely a number of people decorated. A lot of decoration. A lot of a lot of all different kinds of people. We weren't sure if we would feel safe because you hear the reports from other rallies about altercations between antifa etc. So our concern wasn't the other people there wanting to be at the rally, but whether there be instigators who would come and create problems or altercations. So, but my husband Paul is six foot seven, so he's usually not one picked out of a crowd to come after. So if I stay close to him, I feel pretty good.Yeah, he looks pretty tall.There. There was never any sense of any threat. He is call. And when we were there, everybody just seems so kind. But you know, it's probably half a million at least people could be a million Because you just can't see when there's just people everywhere. And so you have, I mean, if you'd like people watching, it's definitely a good place to do people watching, because you're gonna have some, just about everything. And people who are there for completely unrelated reasons because they want to sell peanuts, or they want to talk about their, you know, their grandma's scarfs or, you know, whatever thing they've set out. So it's not like a big fare. Now, say where you, you 1130 You're still at the stage, right? And then you meet, you run across Epoch Times. Joshua Phillips, yeah. That was that one. Yeah, that was that 130. So when the event finally ended, and half the people that we could hear, we're like, well forget it, we're just going home the other ones? Well, we might as well just walk to the capital that nobody's in a hurry, because it's already past the time anyway, we thought, Well, you know, we're at, we worked our way to the front of the ellipse. So we're now at the very back of women and children and strollers and grandmas. So there's nothing fast about this group getting to the Capitol. So we thought, like, we're just gonna hang out and grab a seat because we've been standing for hours, and now their seats that we can sit in, and do you know, decompress and, and visit with whoever stands around and has seen epic times there. And we love epic times. We love Joshua Phillips, though, they were hanging out. So we cornered him and embarrass him and make him take a selfie with us. So he was very gracious. And that was fun. And then we thought, well, we might as well walk to the Capitol, because it's not quite time to head to the plane. And, you know, we're kind of bored. And then we end, and then we went to go look for my husband's backpack, because they make you if you're going to go into the ellipse, you can't take any backpacks or almost anything with you, because you are close enough to the speakers that their security concerns. So there's a huge pile of mountains of backpacks everywhere. And there was no promise, they said they were just gonna haul them away or let them sit there that we were forsaking our crockery. Basically, they said, there's no guarantees, we're not safeguarding your property. So I, I mentioned to my husband, Paul, hey, let's go get your backpack. He was like, that's not gonna be there's gonna be totally gone. And I was like, Well, yeah, we are in DC. We're not in Homer anymore. But I was like, let's just go, let's just go check it out and see. And we went, and there was nothing disturbed in it. Everything was still in it. And there was even people hanging around if somebody started to start rummaging through a page or go like, Hey, why are you picking through backpacks? Either, you know, it's yours, or it's not, don't be climbing and people stuff. So it was that respectful of an attitude where people were watching out after each other's stuff? NFL? Yeah, I was really impressed.Okay. Okay, so then you went route 230, you ended up at the White House? Is that where you took a wrong turn? About last?Yeah. So after he found the backpack, we started heading out. And then we're trying to guess because our phones, there's no cell service? There's no, you know, we're not familiar with the mall. And so we weren't sure which direction the Capitol even was. And so we're trying to go like, well, where does it look like the most people direction people are headed? So we just started following people. And apparently, we followed people that were going to the Capitol, or to the White House, not to the Capitol. So so we got turned back by the White House. Police who said no, you can't come into the White House. We said like, oh, we're trying to get to the Capitol. So they said turn around and go back the other way. So that's what we did. And then we stopped and had hot dogs and listed t shirts and and we didn't know if there was any reason to go to the Capitol, but then suddenly, we started hearing sirens, and tons of cars with lights speeding by like, I don't know, 3040 they just like they just an endless row of cars going by and sirens. And so we thought, well, that's interesting. But that sounds dangerous. Like we shouldn't go that way now. Because there's some kind of big brawl happening, you know, on the lawn in front of the Capitol between instigators and and people who are there, the rally is what we presumed. And so we started asking people who were walking away from the Capitol area. And they said that no, that the capital had actually had been breached and there were people coming and going inside and the and that there were even rumors that somebody had been shot. And we're like, oh my gosh, that's so strange. First of all, how would people get in the Capitol? And then we've got curious, we thought, well, let's just walk that way as long as it feels safe. Because who doesn't? We're here. This is obviously can be a story. We should at least be eyewitnesses somewhat to what's going on that seems responsible as long as you know.I mean, how many Yeah, you know, good car accidents. Exactly. You go, we go out the door. Listen for the ambulance, we're gonna go chase it. So. Yeah. Hey. Alright, so about 320, you actually made it to near the grounds Capitol grounds shows here. And so we're looking at 323 30 that y'all are just getting there. And it's cracked almost over about this crowd.Yeah. Right. That's what we assumed. But we were surprised because of how many people had left the mall. After the rally. We were shocked by how many people were still there. So there had 2 million people there at the beginning because they're still looked like there was half a million on the lawn and the extended grounds. They just were everywhere. It was like a big Animal House Party, there are people hanging, it kind of looks like that everybody's hanging over everything. Alright, so let's so make its cap rounds about 330. We just watched and talk to people because again, there's still no internet, there's no cell service. Nobody can get any information on what's going on through any phone access. So we're really the people there are really counting on somebody who is there some official presence communicating with them because otherwise, there's no information. And there were no capital police or other official federal boot for this part of the podcast. Sorry for the technical difficulties we're having with zoom. But we'll pick it up again next week, and get into the meat of the FBI, and their search for Nancy's below C's laptop.  

Watch the full youtube video here:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i60eQZPG5XM&t=1sLinks to Voddie Baucham ministries  https://www.voddiebaucham.org/Coral Ridge Church https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClHWu3RIGHiNgxeNBcQgOGwVoddie's latest book:https://amzn.to/3iBZk24All footage/images/audio in this podcast are used legally for commentary and education and are protected by the fair use law/act section 107 of the USCL.   copyright.gov/legislation.dmca.pdf In the show today, I am replaying a YouTube video of Dr. Voddie Baucham, who gave a presentation at coral Ridge Presbyterian Church back in February of this year. That is showing us the difference between social justice and biblical justice. And if you're aware right now, we're in a major battle within the school board systems in our schools about critical race theory, and all the demonic stuff that's involved in that what they're trying to do to our kids. And he just really gives a very detailed, clear understanding of the roots of a lot of this social justice movement that Karl Marx and the socialism that comes out of that. And we need to really wake up to to know the roots of this, this. I call it a demonic attack on our country. And so we need to look at that and I think he gives one of the best explanations of this body wears many hats. He's a husband and a father. He's a former pastor. He's also an author, speaker. He currently serves as the Dean of the theology of African Christian University in Lusaka, Zambia, voting makes the Bible clear and demonstrates the relevance of God's Word and everyday life. However, he does this without compromising the centrality of Christ and the gospel, his emphasis around cultural apologetics. Now whether teaching on classical apologetic issues like the validity and the history of the Bible, or the resurrection of Christ, helps ordinary people like myself, understand the significance of thinking and living biblically in everyday life. So this is a really detailed and fantastic sermon that he gives. And I just wanted to replay that for you the links to the YouTube video, and to Coleridge Presbyterian Church where he gave it out. So that'll be in the description at the bottom. And so you can go click on it further and learn more about those organizations. But take a listen, I think you'll enjoy it. When we talk about defending the faith, a lot of times people get upset about defending the faith, we get upset, we don't like the idea of apologetics we don't like the idea of, you know, US claiming to be right and assuming that other people are wrong, and so on and so forth. So, there, there's that idea, we have a problem with that. But then, we also have a problem and probably more of a problem with the idea of engaging forcefully in a disagreement over ideology. Because what I like to call the 11th commandment, the 11th commandment is thou shalt be nice. And we don't believe the other 10. Right. And so there are Christians, who if they see you engaging forcefully on an issue, let's say abortion, for example, you're engaged in a debate about abortion. And let's say that in your advocacy of a pro-life position, you are less than kind. There are Christians, especially millennials that I'm not trying to pick on millennials, but you know who you are. They're especially millennials, they are more offended by you being less than kind in a debate about abortion than they are about babies being slaughtered in the womb. And ironically, they will be less than kind toward you about being less than kind on the issue of abortion and will feel completely justified in their attack on you because you violated the 11th commandment.Which is far more grievous than violating the sixth. Do you see that? It's crazy. See how this happens.And then another way that this manifests itself is, you know, abortion, homosexuality, whatever. What you often see is, people will come at you, you're engaging on these issues. And they'll say, the reason that we have all these problems is because of people like you. Because if we were more lovingSo the problem is not sodomy. The problem is, us being less than loving. On the issue of sodomy. So, we've got these two issues, number one, from an ideological philosophical perspective, we don't like the concept of apologetics. And then two, from a dispositional perspective, just our disposition is that we just don't want to engage in these battles. In fact, we don't even like the word battle. We don't like war language. We're Christians, we should not be engaging in battles with people should be loving people. And so I want to look at two passages, scripture one, Ephesians, chapter six, beginning verse 10. Finally be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might put on the whole armor of God that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil, for we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities against the cosmic powers, over this present darkness and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. So, metaphor, number one, wrestling, hand to hand combat. That's a metaphor, number one, okay? Again, it's not me, I don't write the mail, I just deliver it. Okay. So that's a metaphor, number one wrestling hand to hand combat, we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, verse 13. Therefore, take on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand an evil day, having done all to stand firm, stand there for having fastened on the belt of truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace, in all circumstances, taking up the shield of faith, which with which you can quench extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one, and take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God, praying at all times in spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end, keep alert, with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints. By the way, this metaphor is not a metaphor for wrestling. This is a metaphor for combat. This metaphor is the uniform of a Roman soldier, centurion, all the way down to the sword. So if you don't like combat language, you got a problem with God. Next passage. In fact, there's a third one I want to add here, go to Jude. It reads exudes a servant of Jesus Christ and brother of James, to those who are called beloved in God the Father and kept for Jesus Christ. By the way, that's three references to the same group of people called beloved and God the father kept for Jesus Christ, that's Christians. It's all of us. May mercy, peace, and love be multiplied to you. Don't miss that. All Christians and any says may mercy, peace, and love be multiplied to you. Because one of the things that people think about apologetics and about this war language is that it stands in opposition to things like mercy, peace, and love that we're supposed to be defined by. Right. And so verse two he says, may mercy, peace, and love be multiplied to you. verse three. Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. Now, at Banco Ninjami, and I don't think we need to be running around throwing Greek terms everywhere, but that one just loves saying it.It literally means to wrestle to engage in hand-to-hand combat. So verse two, he wants mercy, peace, and love to be multiplied to you. And in verse three, he wants you to go hand to hand in combat, which means that there is no contradiction between being a loving Christian and engaging in the combat of apologetics. Now, second Corinthians chapter 10. And let's begin. First one, we usually like to go to verse four, verse fours, in the middle of a paragraph, we got to go to verse one to really put this in its proper context. And we see some really some amazing nuances here with the Apostle Paul, I, Paul myself, entreat you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ. Now, don't miss that he's, there's a play on words, there are plays on words here, and treat you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ. We got meekness and gentleness, I who am humble when face to face with you, but bold toward you when I'm away. By the way, that's an accusation made against Paul, that he's responding to. Oh, you don't talk big like that when you're present. But when you get the pen in your hand, and you write letters, all of a sudden you're bold, right? So he refers to the meekness and gentleness of Christ, and he says, I am humble and face to face with you, but bold toward you, when I'm away. That's sarcasm. I beg of you that when I am present, I may not have to show boldness with such confidence as I count on showing against some who suspect us of walking according to the flesh. That's a threat. Are you catching this? Man, verse three, for we walk in the flesh, we are not waging war according to the flesh. There we go, again, with war language. So personal hand-to-hand combat language. Now in fairness, when he's talking about this wrestling, he's really talking probably about Greco-Roman wrestling, maybe making a reference to the isthmian games, right? he's not he's using that metaphor. But here, and also, in Ephesians, chapter six, there is no doubt, but he's talking about combat. He's talking about combat. And I believe that we, I'm not gonna say must engage in combat over these issues. Because I believe we are engaged in combat over these issues. There is a war being waged and it is a war being waged against us. A war being waged against the gospel. So how do we do this? One, that we walk in the flesh, we're not waging war according to the flesh, I think here. And in this passage, if you look back at Ephesians, Paul says, we do not wrestle against flesh and blood against rulers, authorities, cosmic powers. And here, Paul says though, we walk in the flesh, we're not waging war according to the flesh. We're not at war with people. Amen. Somebody, we're not at war with people. I'm not at war with with with Robyn D'Angelo, or Abram Kendi. I'm not at war with Christians who have adopted their ideology. I'm not at war with those people. I'm at war with those ideas that stand in opposition to the truth of the gospel. And I think that's the best important thing. And think about how slick Satan is on this. So God commands us to engage in this combat. Right? We see it in Jude, we see it in a fusion, we see it in Second Corinthians, there's no doubt but that God calls us to engage in this combat, but the adversary a snit in. It has been so slick, that he has made Christians have an aversion to the very combat that we're called to engage in. God calls us to do something. And the enemy has caused us to think that that thing we're called to do is actually evil. Did you see that? That's sinister. And that's where we are. That's where we are. And part of the way that he's done that is to remove this reality that we are not at war with the flesh. We are not at war with people.We walk in the flesh, but we are not waging war according to the flesh. And that's something that we need to keep in mind. Not only in the sense of, you know, fighting against that aversion that we have. But we also need to keep it in mind on the other side, because there's a ditch on both sides of the road. On the one side of the road, there's the person who doesn't keep this in mind. And there, they're loath to engage in the combat of apologetics. And on the other hand, as the person that doesn't keep this in mind, and loves engaging in the combat of apologetics, but they make it personal. They mean nasty, obnoxious. Right? The gospel is offensive enough, it doesn't need your help. Amen, somebody. For we walk in the flesh, we're not waging war according to the flesh. We need to keep this in mind. Keeping this in mind, by the way, means that it will keep us on our knees. Keeping this in mind means that we will be forever mindful of the fact that we're not calling upon our own abilities. But we're calling upon God Himself. We're not waging war according to the flesh. This has nothing to do with with with you being intelligent enough or sophisticated enough or aggressive enough or has nothing to do with that. We're not waging war according to the flesh. For for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but have divine power to destroy strongholds. So first, in order for us to engage in this battle, we have to understand that it's a spiritual battle. And secondly, in order to engage in this battle, we have to understand the power of our weaponry. The weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh but have defined the power to destroy strongholds. And one their power is divine. And not human in origin, a man God's power, but secondly, because they are divine. They have the power to destroy strongholds. The word strongholds can also be understood as fortresses or castles. Is it an amazing use of terminology here? And we kind of miss it. We got to miss it because of where we're situated in history. But put this in its historical context. Paul is saying that our weapons are of divine power, and they have the power to destroy strongholds. Now, Paul is living during a time where if someone is in a fortress or a stronghold, the only way that you can defeat them is through siege warfare. In other words, you would have to encamp around their fortress around their city around their wall, and you would have to build siege works. Literally, you'd have to have engineers in the field. And it could take you, you know, days weeks, depending on the size of your siege works and the size of the fortress that you are attacking, to just to build your seeds works. And then as you engage your seeds works, it may take you weeks or months in order to breakthrough. Or you'd have to starve them out and hope they didn't have sources of food and water and hope that they would want not run out of resources before you would run out of resources. It could take years to siege a fortress. And Paul says, our weapons are so mighty that they can do in an instant. Where it takes man-weeks, months, or years to accomplish. There wasn't a weapon known to man that can do what Paul just said. Now you and I, you know we can be seduced into not understanding this text because we you know, we got bunker-busting bombs, you know, means mother of all bombs, right? Did we get so we got nuclear weapons that can wipe out a city like that, right? And so, here's our temptation. Our temptation is to say, Paul is referring to a weapon that is more like our nuclear bombs. No, that's not Paul's point. Paul's point is, no matter how powerful in the human natural realm, your weapons are, I'm talking about something exponentially more powerful than anything your puny human mind can imagine. Whether All you know is siege works, or whether you know, nuclear weapons. What I'm talking about is more than that, because our warfare is in a completely different realm.And the same thing, that's good news. Why is it good news? I get letters I get emails all the time from people who are flat-out discouraged. They've had to leave their Christian organization. They've had to leave the ministry that they were working for. They've had to leave their church. I get emails from people who've been asked to leave their church, because their church is bringing in Angelo's white fragility, and, and kindy is how to be an anti-racist and some of these other things. And these people are coming in and saying, No, no, no, no, no, we can't do this. These things are antithetical to their being asked to leave their church. Because they're not willing to check their privilege. There are a lot of people who are discouraged. Their major conservative seminaries and seminary leaders of seminaries, leaders of ministries, leaders of Christian organizations, who are espousing the ideologies of critical theory and critical race theory and intersectionality all over the place. And it's easy to be discouraged right now. Because of the divisions that we see. It's also easy to be discouraged. Because, you know, for me, what I find heartbreaking is there are real issues, there's the real sin. Is there racism? Of course, there is. Is there injustice? Of course, there is. And you know, one of the major problems I see is that as we go down this road of this social justice mentality, we're going down a road that Christians can't go down very long, and it's distracting us from things that are very real, need to be addressed and cannot be addressed properly from that worldview. So it's easy to be discouraged. But remember, we walk in the flesh, but we're not waging war, according to the flesh. That's number one. You're looking at what you see. That's not the whole battle. Number two, the weapons of our warfare are more powerful than anything we could possibly comprehend. They're enough. And I've had people say things like, you know, is this going to give me ruin the church? Is this gonna die? No, no, no, the gates of hell cannot prevail against the church. Certainly Robyn D'Angelo and Abraham hicks kind of can't. So no.Now, mind you, what we're seeing is catastrophic. It has been and it will be. But it won't defeat God's Church. So as we engage, recognize the power and significance of our weaponry.So what do we do, there are two things that we do. We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God. And two, we take every thought captive to obey Christ being ready to punish every disobedience when your obedience is complete. So here are the two things that we do number one, destroy every argument and lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, we have to go to war against these ideologies. We have to identify them. And we have to identify the danger that they pose. And we have to dismantle them. Now, not all of us do this in the same way or to the same degree or from the same position or whatever. And one of the things that I've been talking to people about recently is, you know, it's interesting. A lot of people when you start talking about critical theory, critical race theory and intersectionality, and all this, you know, sort of stuff, Cultural Marxism, whatever. They say, oh, you're just trying to shut down the conversation about race. I mean, there's a whole lot that I can say about that. But let me just say, I've been talking about these things for over a decade. This is not my response to George Floyd. I've been warning about critical theory and Cultural Marxism since 2000. In fact, people have often thought as you know, a little overreacting, if you will, and over-emphasizing these issues. So I'm not talking about critical theory, critical race theory, and intersectionality because I'm uncomfortable in conversations about race. Try again. I have zero discomforts, in conversations about race. None. None at all been preaching about race since forever. In fact, been arguing that race, as we talk about it, is an unbiblical ideology. Because the Bible knows nothing of race, the way we talk about it. biblically speaking, there is one race, you could argue that there are two, the race of the first Adam in the race of the last Adam. But but but you know, physically, there's one race and we are all the race of Adam. Amen. Somebody. There are multiple ethnicities. But there's one race, are our ethnicities important. You better believe they are you better believe they are. This is what God did. It's, it's, it's, it's what God did. And it's part of this beautiful tapestry that God is putting together a part of the beauty of God's creation. Amen. So it's wonderful. It's part of your story and how God used your story to bring you to Christ and how he It's wonderful. So yes, absolutely, these things are important.But critical theory, critical race theory intersectionality. These things are satanic. And they're antithetical to biblical truth. And so we have to come against these arguments. We simply must destroy these arguments, not people. But these arguments. And then the last thing is, the second one is, we take every thought captive to obey Christ, we take every thought captive to obey Christ, folks, this is about developing a biblical worldview. This is about us as Christians learning to think biblically about everything. Part of the problem. Part of the problem that we're having is that as Christians, many of us have not thought biblically about race and ethnicity. And so we don't have a well-developed theology in this area. So now along comes this well-developed theology. And yes, it is a theology. It absolutely is a theology. It's a well-developed theology, from critical theory and from critical race theory and intersectionality. And here we are, we know that there are things that are wrong that need to be made, right. But we don't have a well-developed theology, and we don't really think well about these things. And now all of a sudden here comes this well-developed theology, and we don't have an alternative to it, and we don't have an answer for it. So some people are beginning to adopt it. You have to take every thought captive thoughts about sexuality, we have to take those thoughts captive, instead of just parroting ideas from the culture, and falling prey to every wind-up doctrine that comes our way. We have to take every thought captive. This is how we wage this war. This is how we engage on these topics. Recognize that we are in the midst of a battle, that we are under attack, and we are under siege. Recognize that this battle is a spiritual one, we're not at war with people. This is a spiritual war. Recognize that the weapons that we have, this gospel that we preach is Bible that we have in our possession, this absolute truth from the one true and living God that is ours, these things will surely be believed among us. These things are more powerful than any weapon we can comprehend. And they are enough they are sufficient, the Bible is sufficient. I do not need sociologists and psychologists to complete in my thinking about humanity. I don't go to Sociology, texts and psychology texts, and political science texts, and then bring them as a lens through which I view the Bible. No, I take the Bible, and I use it as the lens through which I critique those texts is one leading voice in all of this movement, who was interviewed on a radio program a while back, and he was making the statement he's talking about, you know, broad reading, and I'm, I'm all for broad reading, amen. All four broad reading. I mean, I read all kinds of stuff, right? But he was making the argument, talking about reading sociology and political science and reading the social sciences and these other things. And he made this argument he made this statement, that without sociology and the social sciences, the Bible doesn't make sense, leading evangelical voice, nor the weapons of our warfare, it mighty returned down in his strength, strongholds, fortresses, and they're sufficient. They're sufficient. So what do we do we use them and that two-pronged effort to destroy arguments, lofty opinions. And again, even as we do that, I mean, we keep Peter's words in mind right? Always be ready to give an answer to anyone who asks you the reason for the hope that is You get to do it with gentleness and respect. The way I define apologetics is this, knowing what you believe, and why you believe it, and being able to communicate that to others in a winsome and effective manner. So when we destroy arguments, that's how we destroy arguments. Amen. And then take every thought captive, think through these things, develop your own biblical-theological understanding in these areas, and hold fiercely, to biblical truth. And this is the way we'll navigate through these waters, not all of us have to stand on the same post, not all of us have to do the same work. But all of us, in principle, have to be about the same business. And so oftentimes, you know, people will say, I'll get this from people. Well, you know, you, you talk about all of these ideologies, and all these theories and so on and so forth.But, but I don't hear you talking about ABC XYZ fill in the blanks, then nobody can talk about everything. Amen. Nobody can talk about everything. I'm standing on the wall that I was assigned to stand on. And for me to go and try to stand on everybody else's wall is for me to not be faithful to my assignment. I preach the whole counsel of God. And in the local church, Pastor it systematic preaching through books in the Bible, Amen. Hallelujah. Praise the Lord. That has been the hallmark of my ministry. But when it comes to a broader public ministry, and I'm doing events like this, I can't systematically preach through all the counsel of God in a weekend conference, but I can stand on the wall to which I've been assigned, man my post, and defend it to the best of my ability. And that's all any of us can do. And trust God for the greater results. I don't have to know what's going on in every corner of the battle, just what's happening on my wall. And that's all you can do. So be encouraged, the weapons that we have, and more than enough, be encouraged. God's not calling you to fix everything everywhere. Be encouraged. There are 1000s of prophets who have not bowed the need to bail and be encouraged. At the end of the day, the bride of Christ will be defended, she will be protected, she will be preserved, and she will be restored, redeemed, and rescued by her Savior.      

More information about Rick and his work:https://www.ricknorrismusic.net/His Books are available at:Restoration Preparing for His Fullness   https://amzn.to/3k1GwvCWhen Heaven Speaks Out Loud   https://amzn.to/3k1pj5vFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/rick.norris.1694The fivefold ministry is what is the word say? apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers. All right. So what does that look like? Well, up until Constantine, we had those cylinders firing to the five-cylinder engine running on one cylinder all these years putt putt putt instead of wrong, you know? And so that's why it's taken 2000 years, right? People say, Are you saying that we are the reason that God has waited? Oh, yeah. People get really upset when you say that. It's like who show me that in Scripture? Well, if you live this way, you hasten the day of the Lord's coming. Well, we haven't been living that way ever since that was written in the first century. All right, well, you know what I'm trying to say. Right, so the fivefold ministry, so you get a young minister, here's the best way I can explain it. I'm not dissing anybody. All right. except for us in general, we missed it. We need to repent, we need to get led by the Spirit of God. Again, the main goal of what I'm sharing is intimacy with Jesus time alone with Jesus, it's the answer. And we could you could, we could come back to that, but I can, praying in the Spirit and that kind of thing. Right?That's, that's eating from the tree of life.Yes. That's the difference right there. It's time alone, like those two young men that I told you about that at the braised in the church, and never had a miracle came to me desperately. I'll share that in a minute if you remind me. But I want to finish this thought on the fivefold ministry. So a young minister, you know, he gets out of what I call the cemetery. seminary. I call it cemetery because, by the time liberal theologians get done with you, you're lucky to be a Christian anymore. Yeah, they'll mess you up. But so, you know, knowledge puffs up it's real. So But anyway, so he gets out of these gonna go and rocket into world evangelism. Right? He's all excited. Started church and what do you do a rental hall? preach his buns off. All right, preach, preach, preach and pass the hat. See what happened? Right. And I'm being a little flip with it. But you know, and then it starts to take off, you know, people say, Well, he pretty good teacher. And, you know, when he got to go there for a while, just by proxy, you know, I live close or whatever. So things started to take me. Well, he gave men you know, he took captivity captive and gave gifts to men. That's the Scripture. Right? So what gifts to give apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers, and then and then the other gifts, right? And so, let's say that this young man is an evangelist. Alright, okay. Or a prophet, or even an apostle? Right? Young apostle, a lot of people you'd be surprised how many people in the body of Christ think that there was only 12. You know, it's an office, it's a gift. It's a calling to this very day, and it was like 20, some named in the New Testament. But anyway, so. So he goes out and he gets a church. He starts in charities, preaches every Sunday, right? But he's not a pastor. So pretty soon he's got counseling going every day. He's got dad is delegating all this stuff to all these people. He's got, he gets caught up in the ministry thing, and he does the only thing that's out there. So when a guy comes out of the cemetery, out of seminary, and he goes to start his Adventist formal ministry, he's only got one place he can go pulpit. Okay, because that's what we inherited from Constantine. But the other four gifts. We haven't heard from them. And the reason we haven't matured the way we should have and wrap this thing up so that the Lord would see that his bride was on track, mature without spot or wrinkle, and come back is that those other four-cent cylinders weren't firing in that engine. Now, you say, Well, wait a minute, well, let me put it this way. When the printing press came out, right, and well, really, when the 95 theses went up, right when Luther said, No, no, no, we've had it with this whole Vatican thing. You know, you're not going to control us anymore. We can read the Bible. We can, we can understand we can be like we were in the first century. That's basically what he was saying. And he had his issues that everybody does, you know. And, but so when the printing press came out, here came all this Christian literature. Well, the different Christian authors, some were prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers, and apostles. And they would write from that slant. Okay, that kind of Revelation, you know, each one of those gets, you have a little bit of different slant, you know, and, and once Christians began to not only be able to read the word, which is infinitely more important, that's what started things, you know, people because the Vatican wouldn't let anybody read the Bible except the priests. And can you imagine that?Sounds familiar? Let's see, there's, yeah, I won't go there. Anyway. So like where we are right now in the world. So true, cannot be spoken. Unless one party speaks it? I'm sorry, what truth cannot be spoken unless one party speaks it? Oh, you mean? Yeah. In the church in that? No.And? Well, what I was thinking when you said that is that, you know, the conservative Christian voice cannot be spoken. Because the people that have the mic, are in control. Oh, I see. Yes, I'm saying so there that is up there, up there in this corner in the media and the social media. Yeah. Political parties involved. The only truth that can be spoken is what they think is true. Yeah, well, yeah. And everybody else has to sit in the Pew and take it and so well, that principle has worked itself out into that's the fruit of what I'm talking about. And, and a lot another way we could go there. That's a whole nother thing, because what we've done in the process of losing the other five other for gifting, right, was we abdicated, we no longer understood that we were supposed to be in the gate. Meaning, you know, Dietrich Bonhoeffer stood up against Hitler. Because he understood this. Christians are supposed to influence the world, we're some this world should be we're salt and light, we should, this world should be under the influence of the church not you know, and we've abdicated, we've let we've surrendered our influence and authority and authority. Absolutely. But what's coming, and that's where you're talking about what where we are now, what's coming is the is that what we're in is the reestablishment of the apostolic.We've been in the prophetic restoration, which came with the charismatic renew. And now, for some time now, we've been in the Apostolic restoration of that, that gift is being restored. With that one comes authority. We're going to see manifest authority and apostolic means explain that a little bit more.Well, apostolic a lot of people think well, an apostle plant churches. Oh, that's true. But that's just one of the things that app, app stock person does. He also has authority for oversight and, and, you know, teaching, put it this way, you are an apostle, it can fire on the other cylinders because Jesus is in us. And this is true for all of us, right? A lot of people don't realize this in the body don't realize, either. It's the Spirit of the Lord that does anything. You know, like we were praying before we started this like, it's the anointing the bricks do. Right? This is not about good teaching. Paul said so he said, you know, the gospel is not about clever words of men's wisdom, but about the demonstration of the spirit and power. Well, we lost power in the Fourth, third century because of Constantine. Right, and he took over and we've been a mess ever since. But coming back to that fivefold ministry thing, when Christian literature came out, they you know, this is God, because for me to come back and remember where I was, anyway, Christian literature brought those other parts to the surface, yes to the bride, so she could go, oh, wow, never thought of that. And then we start getting the whole counsel of God. What does it say about the fivefold ministry? It's why was it given? Right? For the edification of the bride? Right. To we all come to what the fullness is a statue of Christ. You can do that. Wow, that's Ephesians and Colossians. Right there, maybe. But anyway, so I wanted to complete that thought it's so important. Right? Well, so in the last special, especially 50 years, there's been this explosion of Revelation. Coming, especially with the reestablishment of the charismatic Well, with the Charismatic Renewal renewal came the prophetic perception, which is not just the telling, for telling, it's telling for you have teaching profits, and you have Sears, you know, that kind of thing. But anyway, so, I know, this has been very long-winded, but it's so, so important that we get these three, or four things in, in our perception in our knowledge. You know, it says, My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. So they're going to be people that, you know, face him on that day and say, Hey, we did miracles in your name, alright. And he's gonna say, I never knew you. He's going to reject those people. And they pray, and they pressed into the word so far, they found that there's intrinsic power in the word itself. What do you mean, you could get a miracle without really hanging out with Jesus? The Word of God is so powerful. It's creative. It's the Word of God. It's so powerful that given a certain element of how would you diligence, right? You can hard work? Yeah, yeah. Just, yeah, just applying the Word of God on a certain level. You can he can break through and start to get you to know, something on the other side. That is the supernatural. That's how they did. They were casting out demons. I mean, there's power in the name of Jesus, in the name of Jesus, I command you to come out, they're going to come out. I mean, if you do that enough, right. And people get deliverance ministries and stuff. That's not a fivefold ministry, by the way, that's just happening. By course. That's why the Lord said, don't get hung up on that. Right? Hey, you know, they said, Lord, even the spirits are subject to our name, right? Well, he gave him that authority, that authority came to them before the resurrection. We forget that. Yeah. So there's power and intrinsically, there's power in the Word of God. And these people were using that separate from an intimate relationship with the Lord. Well, you know,if you think about it, what we, you know, what are we doing? You know, what, each Sunday we go, you know, Honey, what time is it? Are we're gonna miss the game? You know, he, what is he done? Yeah, you know, hide in the pews and the big church and all that stuff. I'm kind of tanging now, but well, you get the point. So where we are, is that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, right? Right, is what we do, and often, not always. And what we've done so far is we have worshiped the Ministry of Lord rather than the Lord of the minister, both in the pews and in the pulpit. And we find our identity in ministry. You know, it's like a pastor, Pastor. So, if you look at history, the first three centuries, we go We could just be like the early church. Oh, really? Well, the pastor was back man, the pastor was supposed to work himself out of the job. And he wasn't supposed to have a whole bunch of people. Because then you can't tell, you know, the church then was small, all of them because you know, everybody's stuff. And that's how you grow. But in a big church, I mean, you could be sitting next to an ax murderer and you wouldn't know it. Do you know? You could hide there and a drug addict or bad marriage. Well, yeah, no, unless, yeah, yeah. And the relationship with them.So but the point is, we've made our own train, get on the train. Okay. Sorry, I lost my train of thought.Anyway, so but this is so serious, you know, and I don't mean to be flipped with it. I tend to get very colloquial, and, you know, but that's just because I want to, I want to make sure people, my brothers and sisters are realizing I don't have an agenda. I'm not trying to be somebody I am. I'm desperate to fulfill my calling. Right. And it? My, you know, I, I don't want to get into that. But so that book restoration, preparing for his fullness, discusses this. All right. And we have to make sure we have to get along with the Lord, we need to repent, not only for what we've allowed happening in our nation, in the murdering of 60 million children, right. Not only do we need to repeat for repent for all of that stuff, but we need to get along with Jesus in a way we've never done before. All right,I'm hearing that I'm, you know, as I'm seeing different people leaders out there speaking, it's amazing how many are saying the same thing or saying, you know, it's really getting down to where it's one on one, it's in that closet, in that bedroom, and that on that couch, wherever you would out in the world, Lord Jesus, you know, just you and him. Yeah, that's it. I mean, that we've gotten away from that so much.Yeah. And that's the answer across the board. Because you can't, you know, it's the anointing that breaks the yoke, you can't you know, if they came to this, Lord, you know, we can't cast this demon out. Right. And he said These come out by prayer and fasting. So there's an element of diligence involved. He doesn't want robots. Right? He wants a family.So, so looking at good and evil in life, then everything we tend to be doing here. You know, is found in intimacy on the other hand, this is pure intimacy. Yeah. Client mystery. Hmm. So if you go climb a tree, which tree are you climbingYeah, day, and climbing that tree. That's a whole nother teaching there. It's like, you know, some people, they have a religious experience, they feel the warm cookies off the presence of the Lord or something. Right. And they that's Christianity for the rest of our life.Yeah. And they never get baptized in the Holy Ghost, they never come to the next level. They never spend time alone with him. And it's just once a while they read the Bible and feel good about themselves. And that's, that's the bulk of Christianity. I hate to say it, but and we can't do that. And then another now that next level is people going to church all the time being diligent, you know, and doing this stuff. And they're still not alone in the Jesus lot. And, and we get it. I mean, I get, it so hard for a lot of people sometimes. Oh, yeah, five kids, you know, job all day. It's not easy. No, it's not to say that it is easy. It's not easy, but that's what's most important.Well, and what you know, in one sense, it's easy because if you get to a certain point, and you say, Lord, I can't, I can't do what I'm supposed to do. I'm, I'm weak and worn out. There's too much at Hill and you I lay it at your feet and he lifts it. This Christianity either says supernatural or bunk, right? If you're not having the supernatural in your space, something is Wrong. You know, now that's a radical statement for many Christian. But check this out. Remember the two young men I said, bring me back to writing Wow, this is God, I remember thatGuys gee did I used to use the 70s back for an excuse, you know, now I can use senior moment. Let's a friend that I have been disciplining him and his family for years now. He came to me one day just desperate. He says, You know, I hear about all these miracles that you've seen. And in my second book is my testimony that all these over-the-top miracles. Yeah, but I won't go into that because it is way over the top. But it's, you know, it's the truth. So he says, How come I don't have those kinds of miracles? 40 years and the truth? I've done it all done it everything I can they say I'm supposed to do never even had a prophetic word or dream. Right. So what am I doing wrong? And I said, well, when's the last time I rhetorically asked two questions, actually asked three, the last one not being rhetorical. I said, when's the last time you spent three hours praying in the Spirit? Right, before you get answers, and When's the last time you spent two hours praying in the Spirit? Before you get answers, andWhen's the last time you spent one hour praying in the Holy Ghost praying in tongues. And he thought about it because I've never done I said try to get back to me. But two days later, he called me ranting. He was going off. You're not gonna believe what happened. And he was so excited, just ready to pop it out. And he had his first elaborate dream, prophetic dream, you know, when it's God and when it's too much pepperoni, right. And he is he went into he described it to me the whole time. He's talking Lord's giving me the interpretation. And so I won't go into it, but it was elaborate. I mean, it was so obvious what it was. And it was like a what they call a poltergeist in the world, you know, a legion if you will. A stronghold. Very in their house. We all knew something was wrong. So this young man, he, he said, I've never you know, I've never done that. So he did it. And we had this he had his first breakthrough. And two days later, and it's just going on it was in the dream, he described, like a Medusa kind of thing, grotesque creature, and I knew what it was. And I And the Lord said, there is something in your home that you need to get rid of immediately. And, and I had, I was privy to it. They were missionaries before. And they had bought this wonderful, beautiful little fold-up handmade table. And it had the Mayans Zodiac on. Well, the Mayan Zodiac is like a pentagram. And it's such an established stronghold. That, you know, it's like, what a couple 1000 years of cutting the hearts out a little girl. Well. I wonder if there are any demons on that. And, and he should Lord, show me exactly what it was you get that thing out of your house right now. Right. And first of all, in the dream, he did so well. He bound the thing and went after it. And it was awesome. I mean, I'm leaving everything out. It was really, really elaborate and wonderful. But so he I think he took it out use it for target practice.Right? It's good.Yeah, it's awesome. So the exact same thing happened with one of my loved ones. He was my family, part of my family. He was raised in the church, the same thing about 40 years of obedience, you know, did everything he's supposed to do? And they a little digression. And his team's like we all do. And but he said the exact same thing. This is only like a week later, came up said the exact same thing to me. I said the exact same thing to him.And you've said the exact same thing to me.Oh, that's right. Yeah, that's right. You forget that. And because you said the exact same thing. That's right. forgot about that. But so, day and a half later, after I told him you know when's the last time he prayed in tongues for an hour, right? He never did that. He did it. Dana, half later ranting on the phone, you're not gonna believe and again, exact same thing happened, it labored dream that actually saved my daughter's car from being stripped. It's too much to go into here, elaborate, very clear interpretation. And so she was able to sell that car she wanted to sell at that time, and she wouldn't have been able to if it had been stripped. And second, it's a long story, not a good neighborhood be stripped. Right. So what you're saying,Yeah, yeah, her car was being they were stripping her car, a very high-end car at the time and putting in the second market, where they call it second market, part aftermarket part. And so it would have been a piece of junk when she got it back. And the Lord showed the whole thing. Even showed the guy involved really well, it was amazing. But anyway, so you know, I know we've gone very long, but this is very important information for where we are right now. We've just crossed over all wrap it up here. We've just crossed over into that home stretch. And the bride is being given a crash course. And if you haven't noticed all the prophetic teaching guys out there. I mean, a lot of them are doing that in-time stuff. And that's, that's appropriate. Definitely. But even the teaching prophets are saying all the same things. They're all getting the same stuff. Right?And they're not calling it Hey, what did you get this week? Oh, I got this. And this. No, it's, I mean, I'm getting that stuff. And I'm not anywhere near that. And that's seeing in my spirit, and I'm like, then I hear somebody saying, I'm like, wow, that's what I'm hearing.Yep. Like the 90% thing. I was talking about that front end of it. So he's going to have us on the same page, because we have the mind of Christ, and the heart of the Father, hopefully, that's my constant prayer. And I, I encourage my brothers and sisters, to ask continually ask the Lord, for the mind of Christ, and the Father's heart. Keep asking for wisdom, and Revelation, in relation to these things. Be but most of all, just being intimate. spend time alone with him. Check the places in your life where you're eating from the evil tree. And it all seems so good. And ask him to show you those places where you're doing religion, instead of Jesus. There is a place of breakthrough, there is a place where you can step into the supernatural, and you need it, you're going to really need it really fast. You do need it right now. We all need it. Right now we need to be able to stand in the fire, like Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. We need to be able to pray for someone to have them get healed. What a concept. You know, these signs shall follow them that believed. Think of that statement first for a minute, these signs shall follow them that believe in my name, they will be with new tongues, they'll cast out demons. Right? they'll lay hands on the sick, they shall recover. If they take in any poisonous thing. It won't hurt them. You know, these signs shall follow them that believe. Well, people say well, I just don't believe that. Well, then they're not for you. You don't get them. So it's pretty simple. Yeah.Well then wrap this up in prayer then. I mean, that actually sounded like a great prayer right there. Yeah, really. Let's just close in prayer. And till next time,Yes, Lord, God, thank you so much for who you are and how you are. Thank you that you're not like us. Not even remotely like us except in the image. We're created in your image. Lord, we repent. We repent for being distracted. We repent on behalf of our nation, we stand in the gap. Lord, please have mercy. And lift your hand up judgment off our nation, Lord, and purge our ranks. Let the tears be harvested. But we repent order and for distraction. Let me interrupt this prayer for a minute. If there's any of you out there that don't know the Lord, you don't know Jesus. She never did that. He's a lot of Yeah, he's been chasing you your whole life and you know it. And you have now a sophisticated justification system. La la la la la la la. He's calling, he loves you, he's crazy about you, and he just wants you. And I want you to ask Him to forgive your sins. And they come into your life and be the Lord of your life. You can do it alone with him. You don't need me or anyone else to help you with that. But then find a place of fellowship, so that you can find out what's really in the instruction manual. Okay. Lord, coming back to this prayer, Lord, we ask that you would move by your Holy Spirit in and through and around your bride internationally. That you would rise within your believers rise up, both in and upon and descend upon your bride internationally that she the body of Christ would stand up. That is, your body would stand up your people would stand up and harvest them or make disciples and not be distracted by ministry or Madison and Avenue renditions of it, and that you would help us get back to intimacy with you and moving in the power. Pour out your spirit. Pour out your power, Lord, as you promised, that you would do in the last days pouring out your Spirit on all flesh, and that we might harvest the or edify our brothers and sisters and be a joy to your heart. We ask it in Jesus' name. Amen.If you would go to Amazon and check out the book restoration, preparing forcefulness. It's by Rick Willis Norris.

Episode NotesYou can connect with Rick at:https://www.ricknorrismusic.net/Youtube Channel :https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDOu_fMZ9XX37jIa9UveyzQHis Books are available atRestoration Preparing for His Fullness   https://amzn.to/3k1GwvCWhen Heaven Speaks Out Loud   https://amzn.to/3k1pj5v The body of Christ will soon stand and "prepare the way of the Lord", harvest the earth, and be the "more than conquerors" God's word sassy we are!.  Yet, many Christians today have been given into fear and passivity. It's time for a change, these are the answers as to why so many Christians are struggling so desperately to find their place in the Kingdom.Alright, Rick, hey, great to have you, Rick.  A good friend of mine and just one thing on your bio. is you know, you've got Mr. Biloxi Vox is it Biloxi box? How do you say bluesy, bluesy Vox, you are a blues artist?Well, I'm considered Yeah, vocally, I go there a lot, came up through the r&b ranks, and in on grew up, you know, through the clubs and did the circuit and then the constants are good in blah, blah, blah. And my roots always come out in a lot of this stuff. I write and record and produce and perform 40 years in the business. You've seen a lot, I'm sure well, over actually. Quite a bit. Or you're still a young guy. I like it. Yeah, yeah, stop. With the girl do stop bringing it up. Like, I'm glad you accept this invitation, sit down and talk a little bit about the sacred place, but especially what we're going through in this day and age. And just for those watching. This is my closet. This is where my clothes are nothing fancy. But this is my secret place, a place that I commune with God that I see it and listen and look to hear from what he says work. And so, you know, hey, wherever you can find a place to hear God. Quietly without distractions. Go do it. That's what the Bible says. And that's what I'm doing. So what we're talking about today, is how God is speaking to his people. As they're in the secret place as they're spending time with the Lord. And what is he saying during this time of quarantine, if you're viewing this or you're hearing this podcast 20 years from now, or 10 years from now we are in we're in a major quarantine pandemic virus is going on this country in this world? It's pretty much shut down everything except hospitals and grocery stores, and some takeout restaurants. So where we're at in this, I'd like to hear from those that are really seeking after God's heart, in his voice as to what he's saying, you know, all across the globe, actually, whether it's in business, in politics, and government, in church, and religion, and just to hear what he's telling this world. So that's why I brought Rick and, Rick, you've got a couple of books out you've written but the one that I've been reading is the restoration book. And which you wrote back in 2008, I believe 2006 2008. And just the first chapter. So you, I mean, it's like I'm reading, something you wrote that long ago, is like spot on today that we're dealing with. So what is God saying to you right now, in this in this time, we're in what's been saying to you about personally, and then saying to the church, and then saying, what do we need to do out of that? Well, I know that's a lot of questions. You may repeat.  fine. Yeah, no, I, I am dragging my knuckles into the 21st century. So you might have to meander back in here. Seriously. You know, the main thrust of where we are right now, a lot of there's a lot of commentaries, a lot of prophetic guys out there. saying it's this, it's that it means this it means that and some are on and I'm sorry that summer, you know, just doing fluff and but, you know, let me put it this way. When Jesus you know, when he was 12 he went into the temple, right and chided and exposed and humiliated that fat cat theologians hanging around the temple at that time, with revelation way over their heads and they were astonished. Well, he, you know, he went home and he realized what I've got a hold, you know, for the rest of his until he was 30 he might as well been holding a full braided bridle of 12 Clydesdales that wanted to run, you know, all the revelation wisdom and zeal you can imagine why it says, the zeal The Lord has consumed. And he had to hold that in till he was 30 Well, when he came out, you know, he went into the wilderness to be tempted when he came out of the wilderness, you would think, to start his formal ministry, who would think the first thing out of his mouth would be pretty, pretty heavy on his heart and the main thrust of what he where he was going to go with the first thing he said out of his mouth was repent. And, you know, that's an archaic word to us today. You say repent to the average person and they in the go different places it mentally but the general you know, subconscious imagery is on, you know, dirty homeless guy with a big placard walking back and forth in front of City Hall or something right, movies have done good for breaking that habit. Oh, yeah. And so they've relegated that to, you know, something irrelevant to our culture. And it's the most relative, I mean, the relevant thing we, we need to do it well, so anyway, that's the big picture. And why would he lift his hand of protection? why that's big question. You know, like, why did he live to lift his hand of protection? And, you know, he's always done that. You know, the Bible, the Old Testament says, These things were written for our admonition upon I mean, New Testament says these things were written referring to the Old Testament these things were written for our admonition upon whom the ends of the world have come so what it's really saying there is that hey, you're supposed to learn from our mistakes and any over and over redundantly he dealt with Israel this way. You know, he would bless Israel so heavy, they would get distracted. busy. self-centered, self-focus, myopic, right? Like I always say it it's easy to kill a whitetail deer from trees dang they never look up. Right? Yeah. And that's you know, and so, Mister what I call Mr. Damage Satan. He's, he's up in that tree, you know, and most people are just, they're just going about their business, fixing this and making that being somebody replaces Ah, spiritual warfare in higher places. Yeah, he's up there. You know, and I, in one of my recent videos, on one of my other channels, I mentioned that, you know, when Satan fell, you know, well, let me back up and say, you know, people will say, Well, yeah, what's going on right now is Satan's getting kicked out there's war in heaven and Satan getting kicked out of the third heaven? No, no, he was already kicked out of the third. He's when he fell he he said they set up in the second heaven because there's a they could block the prayers of the saint and set up stronghold now. For those that might not follow that talking point, I guess, are just the three types of heaven. Heavens. Yeah, right. Paul mentions that and then second Heaven is where powers and principalities rule. Yes third heaven is where Jesus is.Yeah, okay. And a lot you'd be surprised that many Christians don't have a clue about this right there in front of them the whole time. That's why Paul said we battle not against flesh and blood but against powers principalities, spiritual wickedness and heavenly places. And that last word in the Greek is crowd Cosmo crowd ploy. And I you know, it sound important, I just had this fancy seriously, it's all Greek for all these years.But seriously, and this is hardly the time for levity with what's going on on the planet. So I have to watch myself. I'm a combat veteran, I found out humor helps keep the troops morale up. But so David said, when i sin, the heavens became like bread. Right. So if we break the communications God can't get through because he's delegated While he, ultimately he can, of course, you know, lift his hand and protection, but what we're looking at is God is delegated free will to us, because we have responsibility. We're being groomed to rule and reign with Christ. So we have a privileged mandate to bring those strongholds down. Right in the second half. That's what Paul is talking about. Right? He says, you know, we, we, after he says that about tearing down the stronghold, you know, and everything that exalts itself against the knowledge of God. Right. So that's part of our mandate is to bring all that down. And of course, people say, Well, if Satan was completely defeated at the cross, right, how come the devil is alive and well in my neighborhood? Yeah, good question. Like, why was there a snake in the garden? We're not gonna go there. I can break that down. I do that in my first book. But the point is, God gave is so wise. He did two things. He's grooming us to rule and reign with Christ forever. Right. So this is our privileged participation in the fight. This is our training ground. Yes, it's an apprenticeship. And a guy named Paul Billheimer, one of the brilliant theologians Paul Billheimer wrote a book many years ago. And he will he wrote, several, you know, don't waste your sorrows. And But anyway, that's what he addresses is, this is our apprenticeship, right? destined for the throne is the is the book. And it's amazing. And so we have this privilege of tearing down these strongholds there, you know, it's like a map of operation. That's what spiritual warfare is, is about, well, if you buy into fear, you step out of out of faith, you step out of faith and faith, that which is not a faith, it's sin. And of course, there's grace. You know, as we grow through learning how that work. There's a lot but lots of fear in this world right now. Oh, man, and that's why I'm going on I know,  And so, but But anyway, so what's happening right now is very pragmatic, really, spiritually and tangibly, we're supposed to be on our knees doing what is called identification of repentance. As John Dawson in his book, "Taking our cities for God" wrote, identification, repentance is we are identifying with the sins of our nation, which are many. And we're asking the Lord to forgive us. We're repenting and behalf of our nation, to bring us back to where we were when at our inception. You know, I can prove to you that we were a Christian nation, or that's a popular thing right now. Oh, yeah. Nobody, nobody wants to hear that.Well, what's amazing, your God is calling us to repent, at the same time. The other side is beating the daylights out of Christianity and marriage and, and those foundational principles that we believe in. And it's through media, it's, I mean, we see it, you can't turn the television on without feeling like you know, being a Christian is a bad thing, or being wealthy is a bad thing or, or believing that marriage is is the right way to go, man, woman only and that's a bad thing. So yeah, there's definitely a war going on, too. It's a cultural war. And the way from what I see, but you know, we're fighting two types of wars. You know, we got the spiritual part, but we also have where we're on the earth, trying to do good.Yeah, yeah. Well, it always, you know, ends up on terra firma. whatever is going on in this in the heavenly will manifest here. Very few people ever put that together. They don't press in far enough to breakthrough.Explain that just a little bit deeper.You know, CS Lewis. Right. First time you read the New Testament before he got you know, saved. He said, Oh, I see. The universe is at war. Right. And Churchill, he saw the connection. Churchill. Why would he quote, what we've been talking About here in Ephesians, as the allies are crossing the channel to go invade Normandy and World War Two, he quoted we battle not against flesh and blood, but against power of principalities, spiritual wickedness in heavenly places. Well, why it sounds like he's, he's endorsing nonphysical combat. In other words, it, you know, it sounds like a contradiction. Well, what he was saying is now we're going to the source baby. They knew, yeah, me people don't know this. Hitler was in radically into the occult. I'm talking Satan. He had necromancy going on to add human bones in the rituals, all of that's historically documented. And many and many of his cadre were involved in. And so he, he, he had the spirit of the world. And the devil himself helping him to sail take over the planet. Sounds familiar? It sounds for me. Yeah. And, yeah, so the bottom line is they knew what they were dealing with. So in answer to that, you know, we're, we're in a war, Satan hates your guts wants to kill you. Yeah, that sounds trite. And but this is real. This is real combat. And it's actually a privilege to be involved.You, you say it's kind of trite. But that, you know, when you read the word, and it says, we're in a spiritual battle, I don't. I mean, I look at that, and I go, hold on just saying it. Let's you just love this. You set your clocks not to go off and you get a reminder that I got to drink my water. Got a drink of water, so many gallons a day or whatever. Oh, you're on a regimen. Yeah, I'm just trying to be healthy. You know,I got it. Hey, when I said try it, what I meant was that cliche, not what we're talking about, obviously.Well, you know, as I look at that, look at reading that, and experience, this culture we're in you, it really brings it home, when you look at that, and you say this is some of the stuff we're coming against right now. Is so above our heads, that logic can explain it sometimes. And you're like, this is just crazy. And that's what the second book is, I'm trying to reveal in the second book. And so as we as regular Christian, I call them regular Christians, you know, we that when I say regular Christians, this just my own thinking, I got you is that we're kind of like this when I was out at the store, one of the local hardware stores, you had people that were covered with masks and gloves, and just like, thought we were under attack. And then you had other people that were just walking with no protection and people of older age, which are more susceptible to what's going on to the war that's going that's attacking the older people, mainly, they were walking around with no protection, it was kind of like, it was a surreal situation where you had two different worlds in the same space, two levels of fear, two levels of fear. One may have not been fear at all just like yeah, that's what I meant. You know, I was one of those crazies that didn't wear masks and gloves and I'm like, you know, I guess I could be bad for that but at the same time you know, I try not to use religion as any kind of protector but I don't know it's just it's I wasn't going to succumb to the fear that was being perpetrated upon the people to this country you know, that we're seeing really pushed on this country's a spirit of fear on this country has gripped the world and at some point, you look at it you go How much is that is really manufactured fear and how much of it is actually you know, be smart wash your hands, don't cough in people's faces, you know, don't lick your hand and smacks me in the face something you know some stupid just drip just protect yourself because our bodies have to fight off naturally or God creator bodies to fight viruses. No and healthy people can fight the virus and it actually helps them from what I understand is because you create an antibody and you in your body naturally fights it off. It's the people that can't because their immune system and their bodies are struggling. Anyway, did I go off a path there but anyway, it just was it struck me Well,no, it's not. That's not going off the path because What you just touched on is one of the most important things that you can know as a Christian or period. But an unbeliever is not going to even give it credence. So, as as a believer, let me just say, to the body of Christ, that the only weapon I think of this now, the only weapon that the devil have is fear. Now, that doesn't mean you can't use other people against you that are in neutral. You know, if they're, if they don't know the Lord, they're neutral, he can jump in and drive around, try running over, you know, but you know what I'm saying so, so, but the only thing he has is fear. And I'm, this is gonna sound a little over the top, but I am in a way, deal with it. My life has been over the top, I mean, just miracles on miracle. And, in the process, I have had to deal with everything from principalities, to emps in the spirit realm, you know, spiritual warfare on a scale that most people don't even know exists. Even most Christians. discerning a spirit, the real gift not, not the one that a lot of people claim they have in the church. You know, where, anyway, I won't go there. But so, the, you know, I've had, um, come on, and do things come at me and do things that are, you know, in the physical realm.What did Paul mean, when he said he wrestled with demons and emphasis? Will you ask most people, even those Christians to go, Well, he we had issues, we all have issues. That's not what he was talking about. And you'd be surprised what he was talking about. There are physical attacks. I mean, I, I've kept a little survey personal survey going for years about people who have had certain I don't use a word. Well, the same pattern of attacks, physical attacks, from the fall, the fallen ones, it demons. And they all describe the exact same thing. Hundreds of right,yeah, there's, I mean, I've heard that many people, there's one guy I listen to occasionally. I'll think of it in a minute. But he, he talks about that very thing being physically attacked by the demonic.Yeah. And most Christians are so nominal in their, in their, they lack intimacy with God, that's the best way to say it. They lack intimacy with the Spirit of the Lord. Because they just haven't spent time with them. You know, they, they do Christianity and go to church, they're involved in the church, they do stuff in the church. And it's, you know, and they pray they, you know, have a little devotional time and, you know, that kind of thing, but they don't press.There's not a massive encounter. What was the difference between  there's a difference between believing and, and even pursuing? But and what you'd the word you used, and that's an encounter, you want an encounter, and you pursue an encounter, eventually, you're going to breakthrough, and he's going to show up, and, you know, he'd blew my little game out of the water. I had a sovereign conversion, I was a criminal. And he showed up. Oh, and it was a whole nother ballgame then. 

Okay, so I want to get into a little bit of where it all began. here's the here's the picture that I got. Five years ago, I was in church on a first of the year around January or so. And we had one of our leaders get up and was just really challenging us to, to start the year off fast and to start forward in our stance and not to kind of slowly drudge ourselves into the new year with the things that God's calling us to do. All of a sudden, I got a picture of a battleship. This one your normal battleship is it was pretty rusty pretty broken down. A kind of a probably thought of it. I think he helped me remember the time when I went the scouts with my sons to the battleship. They're in Mobile, Alabama. And you know, we're kind of rusted and a lot of spots and it was just sitting in the harbor. And you know, it wasn't in uses decommissioned in news massive and is great to to do that. We got to spend the night on the battleship. But I think he back then actually deposited his words and what he wants me to be speaking is the message back then now that I think about it, as I'm just sitting here talking, I'm thinking about the oil. So it's hard It started before five years ago, because that was several years prior. So anyway, back to the battleship and you'll find during this I might take a few rabbit trails throughout the podcast to just hang with me. Anyway, back to the battleship, okay, it's broken down. It's rusted. Think about it, as saw this battleship broken down, rusted, decommissioned. And what I was looking at, and this is kind of where, where I didn't let it become condemnation, but it really hit hit me hard that that's what I saw myself as that's when I felt like my life was like that life as a Christian, you know, not as a unbeliever. But as a Christian, that I was defeated. In many areas of my life, I was very passive in many areas of my life. I was powerless in many areas of my life, and I was stuck in a mediocre life. Does anybody feel like that? Does anybody feel like the last year that we've walked through that we've been beat up and abused and defeated and powerless about that power less. So I saw this battleship, picture. And then I saw war, saw this war out on the horizon. Now let me go back here real quick. Alright, so the battleship so you seen this picture of a battleship, and it's on a harbor this really grotesque dark looking Harbor, and kind of like out of the scene of pirates of the Mississippi Pirates of the Caribbean. And this is really just kind of, kind of a really dark situate a lot of smoke coming out of the chimneys. And I got an actually what I did is I got somebody draw me a picture of this. So I have a picture on my wall with this whole image. But there's this. So I'm in this this battleship. And I'm seeing myself and thinking, well, that's, you know, my life, but that's what I thought, but what God was speaking what God is saying, is that you are built for battle. How I really am in God's eyes. I'm built for battle. I was called the fight. Psalms 144. One says, who trains my hands for war and fingers for battle? Okay. We are the son of the king. We're sons and daughters of the king of the most. Wherever we go, The kingdom of God is at hand. Okay, so. So that's who I am. I'm not the broken down battleship. And we, unfortunately, we've lost our identity in this country. And the church has neglected this part of God's Word. Our identity in Christ is one of the most powerful, most life changing aspect of being a Christian. And too many Christians have no clue about their identity. And I'm not just talking about first time believers. I'm talking about people that are 20 30, 40 years in the faith. Because when I read passages in the Bible, I continued to ask myself, do I really believe that? Do I really believe that? If I pray for somebody, that they will get healed? God's word says it. So why don't unbelief? Why don't I believe it? So, we've got a battle, we've got a ship going on, we got this war case, this war, just off in the distance on the side of the kind of the horizon of the water, there's this just massive battle going on. And what God just showed me this just past week that added some clarity to that picture is that in and actually before that, but in Ephesians, 6:12 says, we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, powers, rulers of the darkness, spiritual hosts of wickedness. So here's this battle going on. And here's this battleship in his Harbor, stuck. Okay, it's not moving, it's not engaging in the fight. It's not rescuing the last and saving the last and healing the sick, it's not doing anything. But it was built for battle. And so what he's showing me is that in our Christian walk, we're not doing what we're built for what we're called for. And we're in No, no better time didn't understand that revelation. One of the things that understood about this is that the image I was getting, is not what it was, but what it's meant to be. So here's this battle going on. And we're standing by idly Ephesians 6:12, if we do not understand this one principle, because we all have battles in our lives, or personal lives, that if we don't understand this one principle, we will continue to struggle with the same old crap. As right crap. That's what I say. Because that's what it is. When we when we're in an argument where we're in a wrestling match when we're in this culture that we're in, and we're being demonized, for believing in the right to life and, and the things that the Christian community believes. When you look at the face of another person, and they say the things that they are saying to us now, we should be looking past the person and looking at what's behind them because they were born just like a child as a child, just like the rest of us. But there's something behind their demented, evil, misguided beliefs. And that's who we should be taking it out on. So we're in a massive war right now. We've always been in a war, but in my generation, meaning that as long as I've been alive, this is the worst it's ever got. So we have this battleship, sitting in a harbor stuck. We've got a war going on on the horizon. The one thing I didn't mention was that every day the sun rises, and the sunsets, sunrises and sunsets, there's still a war and there's still a battleship stuck in the harbor talked about the harbor a little bit as a battleship you know we should be moving battleships are not designed to sit still they're designed to move to fight so I got some images from that as well that you know when you're dry dock that means you're not moving anywhere there's no you're not you're just floating you're stuck made a note here just says dry dock to know Holy Spirit to float your boat. Yeah, the Holy Spirit in your work is he prompting you to do things to speak things out. If you're not if you're if you don't and you're not then you're dragged out. , this massive battleship was was chained to the dock. And I'm gonna go into detail that little bit later throughout one of the podcasts probably but you know, being chained to the dock was chained or are seen. Originally when one of the pictures I got was winning, winning the battleship came into the harbor. It was a true battleship in all its glory. But it stayed too long. And slowly but surely, this port of this port that they came into, began to turn rotten. And the ship never left or didn't destroy what was there. And so it became part of this dark and dreary scene. It became a port of death rather than life. Maybe want you maybe you were wants a massive, powerful battleship, in the army for God. But you came into a port somewhere, and you never left and you're still there. I just want to encourage you hearing this, to see the imagery and to to hear what God spoke to me in my heart is that we don't have to stay in this Harbor, I don't have to stay in this Harbor, I'm getting out of this. And I'm going back to the glory of what he designed and created me to be. And so I got this image. And I went up, talk to some leaders and, and one of the ladies a friend of mine, his wife, Leon's wife came up. And when I was telling her this, she said, Well, you know, I see this, the joy of the Lord on Yes, I see a lighthouse, there's a lighthouse in your picture. And the joy of the Lord is shining on you. And I thought, Wow, that's pretty cool. And so I meditate on that as well. But Jesus,Jesus is the rock, that this lighthouse, this fortress is built upon. So here's this, this imagery of a harbor and a battleship and a war going on, and then a lighthouse right on the edge out there. And as this imagery developed over the years, I noticed how every stone that makes up this fortress, this lighthouse, adds to the brightness of the beacon of light that calls out to those in need. And it can warn them of dangers ahead. But it shines the light, it shows God's power and love in the world. And it says come towards the light. So anyway, that's a picture of the lighthouse and the ships and so this picture that I got this total picture I got has been stuck in my spirit for all these years. And one of the things that I continue to see as this culture continues to drift down this rabbit hole of evil is how our freedoms are being slowly but surely stripped away. It was no more evident to me than what was interesting. During this Supreme Court nominee of Judge Kavanaugh, how fiercely he was attacked, and how he was able to, you know, whatever you think of this man, and all this stuff is the stuff that was said, how a guy gets they picked on a guy that had how many years of journaling about his life, that this guy was taking notes from that he just, and I looked at that, and I said, you know, they're, they're killing this guy for stuff that they can't prove. And yet, what's, what's to stop that they won't do that to you? what's to stop that they won't do that, to me? The risk of this cancer culture, to a Christian, is incredible. All you have to do is make a announcement about something about a Christian and the next thing you know, there could be out of business. So what do you do with that? As a Christian, what are you gonna do about that? So when somebody accuses you of something, their word against yours. But they have the media, and they have the left and they have every What do we call it? principality, power, rulers of the darkness, spiritual host of wickedness. They have all those behind their words. You got Jesus got God. That's plenty enough, but in this culture, the question is, are you willing to allow that to be enough? Because when you lose your job, because somebody lied? Are you really going to believe what you read in the bibile. So it's just my challenge to you is just think about that

You can connect with Rick at:https://www.ricknorrismusic.net/His Books are available at:Restoration Preparing for His Fullness   https://amzn.to/3k1GwvCWhen Heaven Speaks Out Loud   https://amzn.to/3k1pj5v This is a continuation of the restoration series. And today we're going to be talking with Rick Norris, about two trees in the garden. Now, I had read a book by Rick Joyner, it was called there were two trees in the garden. I mentioned that to Rick and it kind of sparked a conversation that we sat down and recorded. And so one to read something out of the book, though, I thought was very telling and actually, Rick Norris, my good friend, we'll go into that a little more as we talk but talks about.Bonhoeffer said at one point is, is what was said of the righteous Abel, Cain and Abel can now be said, A Bonhoeffer though he is dead, he still speaks his life continues to challenge true believers to rise up and boldly stand against the darkness of their time. Now it may seem clear that the Germans churches, superficial understanding of redemption, opened the door to this terrible deception, meaning, we're talking about the tree of good and evil. The good that is of man will never redeem him from the evil that is in him, it is still from the same tree, its poison will result will always result in death. The system which appeared so good to the German Christians shocked the civilized world with its evil deeds, but its nature had actually not changed.The good in man is just the other face of the evil in man, Satan is capable of using either good or evil as a tool to bring about his purposes. So when we eat of the tree of good and evil, we see what that can produce. So the question is, are we eating from the tree of life? And if we are, what does that look like? So I hope you enjoy the conversation we have this is part one of part two. And so if you like it, shoot me an email at remnant revolution610@gmail.com. So I hope you enjoy it. And thanks for listening. We were talking the other day, and the trees in the garden came up and I thought I'd make a great segment. And the first tree that we have is what? Well, the first tree is the tree of life. And that of course is the lord. And any really what seemed to be a tree of death, which is that cross was the tree of life in it. I'm speaking metaphorically Now, of course, the other tree is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And years ago, many years ago now, by some standards, Rick Joyner wrote a book called to trees in the garden. And he points out what I'm going to share. And it's I don't know why that book set for 10 years, he wrote it, like in the 80s, I think late 80s. And, and it sat for like, a decade. And then when it was time, the Lord does bone that thing took off and, and Rick was an airline pilot, commercial airline pilot, he just well heard me want to use this, you know, as he should lay things at his feet. See what he wants to do with it like we're doing here now. But um, so the bottom line is, he wrote the book, and he puts it better than I can. But it's a very important thing for us to be prepared to understand these two things, these two trees. The premise of that whole teaching, not just Rick's but in general, is that the two trees the first tree, the tree of knowledge of good and evil, of course, in the garden, the Lord said don't eat of it. It's poisoned. It'll kill you, basically, with what he was saying. And the reason it's poison is that the good of the tree is one with Life in the tree and that the knowledge is one. The good and the evil are one. And to give you an idea how one they are the sap in a tree, the root system, there's only one root system in any tree. And it's and so whatever's in the tree, genetically, is, in fact, one. So the good is evil as the evil and the evil can look really good. And the best way Yeah, and the best way to depict that the best way to make people understand the importance of that is that it what is the most? How good can the good of the evil tree, the tree, the tree of knowledge of good and evil? How good can I get? How good can it be? If it's good enough, by worldly standards day, and you know, the day to day life standard? It can we can take it hook line and sinker as being from God. it's inconceivable for us say that again? Well, best way to say it is, and this is hard for people to receive if Mother Teresa, I mean, you think what's the goodest thing that you could run into on the planet? Goodness, the good, the good thing that you can think of, for lack of a better way of saying it is, what comes to mind for me is Mother Teresa. You know, and I don't know whose mother she is not mine. Like I would say, but anyway, so I give her that anybody that spends 80 years in the gutters of Calcutta, right, with the poor, helping the poor, and helping them the terminally ill and the socially rejected and, you know, there's that's love and love covers a multitude of sins. So there's that. But putting that aside for the depiction of what, what I'm trying to say? What if a God never led her to do what she did? What if, you know, there's many it says in the word to as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the children of God. Right? He put it that way. It's like on top like a stipulation. Put the emphasis on day, right? We say, do many led by the Spirit of God, the children got to Scripture, it's the truth. Well, what if you say, to as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the children of God? Oh, yeah. That's kind of student everybody else? Oh, well, maybe you know, and I don't know where to draw that line. I'm not trying to be inordinately harsh for the sake of also Terek esoteric austerity, right? I don't know what that meant. But it sounded sounded. Still can't spell illiterate after all that study. But anyway, so. So if God never led her to do that, and she did it out of just youthful zeal, and, you know, love for other kids, and a pure heart and everything, but she went out there and she was gonna do something, you know because she loved God. And she had an experience with the Lord and whatever. And she went out and did what she did. But he never led her to do it. And he had a whole nother it says, he has a destiny for us that he chose before the foundation of the world. Right. So if he had a destiny for her, maybe he wanted to be a Sunday school teacher, maybe he wanted her to be a teacher, or something else. So he might have had a destiny for her completely different than what she ended up doing. And so that good that she did, in that context, you know, would be evil when it see we have no concept of that. That's like we go. How could anything like that be evil, and that's where you get into love covers a multitude of sins, but even that's the grace of God. You know, it's  about being intimate with the Lord. That's what this is all about. We have entered a season on the planet where we have to be Very, very intimate, very, very close to the Lord. That's the bottom line, everything else is secondary. We're not going to fulfill our destiny, we're going to go and do good stuff. Right? For not careful. And the only way to be able to discern what is God and what is good, you know, we like take one of the O's out and capitalize the G and put it on what we're doing. Right. All right. Well, you know, the Lord helped me build this ministry know, you built it by manipulation, you know, people that that's what you want to say, let me put it this way. years ago, I got this thing from the Lord. And he said, you know, 90% of what I mean, the revelation you get from this revelation of the two trees, is that 90% this is what I got early on, years ago. 90% of what's built in the name of Jesus Christ, He never commissioned. That's, that's insane. That percentage, and when I got it, I went now that's got to be me. That's I'm tripping. I must be, I must think a little higher, higher myself than I thought. Do you think that and I watched myself real close. I was almost felt guilty for thinking, who do I think I am? Anyway. Alright, so. And then, a few years later, Rick Joyner, again, said the exact same as reading one of his things early on, I think it was the harvest. He's written some wonderful literature. Most of its some of its didactic tutorial, teaching prophetic teaching, but a lot of it is analogous metaphorical, that kind of thing. Anyway. He's he said that exact thing in his book is 90% of what's built today in the name of Jesus, and I didn't talk to him. All right, yeah. God never commission. And they went, you know, cuz I respect the man. And I, yeah, I said, Well, maybe I'm not crazy grant are puffed up. And so then, about 10 years later, another author, John Eldridge, who I take issue on some things we could talk about that sometime. But the good author wrote the very same thing, independent, both of us 90% out of the mouth, and two or three witnesses, the thing is to establish with the words. So think of that for a minute, wait a minute, well, how could that happen? How could you have 90%? of everything gets built in the name of Jesus, he never commissioned? How could that happen? Well, the reason is, is because we lost, this is may seem like a rabbit trail. But this is, this is important. I'm sorry.Well, if you if you look at that, and you're thinking, well, then is all this stuff. Bad? Like what we're doing right here, I'm stepping out and creating this, you know, session of talking about things. You know, God didn't send an angel or, I mean, I felt it in most my spirit to do this, you know, does it? How does somebody rationalize? Well, maybe I'm not doing what actually God said to do, which is what you're saying? Yeah. Like, how do we? How do you know what the 10% is? And maybe you can get to the answer as to Is it that bad if we are doing? I don't know if I'm getting questions out, like,Well, no, I get it. And yeah, you may play and the question is, it puts the simply the question is, how do you know the difference? Between the zeal and desire to do something, and being led to do something? Well, I know you and I, we've had hours of discussions on this kind of thing. And I know your heart, he knows your heart. And every time you try to walk away from this, it just come back. It's right in your face to do it. Right. And there's a difference between what you're doing and what, how we got in this condition.The reason we got in this condition is because we haven't been intimate with Jesus. Now, I say we because we've all nobody has arrived. You know, this all can sound very condescending. on my part, right, who do I think I am again? anyway? You know, how are you the 10%? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So and but intimacy is the answer. And what we do is we, if even if we're landed, do something, let's say you're in the 10%, that that is led by the Spirit of the Lord. What happens is you go out, you do the thing, you get gone, you get some friends, and everybody gets going, and you're doing, it's going, Yeah, and the thing gets going, and it perpetuates itself. And then you start to worship the ministry of the Lord rather than the Lord of the minister. And so even that can go sell spiritually and look really good. You know, I love Mario Marella. What he says he, we make it all about big-screen skinny jeans and fog machines, right? We left first-century Christianity A long time ago. Right? But so how did we get in this condition? There are other factors. And this is the main one in my book,Restoration, Preparing for His Fullness, That book is the first book I wrote, is about a great deal of this covers in great detail how we got in this condition and how to get out and what to do to, you know, clean things up and get the bride ready. We have to get ready, man, we're on the cusp, but everybody's feeling it. Everybody knows that even the world Lynx, even unbelievers are going wow, that weird stuff though, all those Christians are talking about happening. What do we do now, you know, like I said in one of my other videos, but how we got here is until the biggest temptation to church ever faced, right? The Church at large over history. in history, the greatest temptation that church ever came up against was being legitimized. And by the time Constantine came as the emperor of Rome, Christianity had pretty much the, the outpouring of the Holy Spirit was so powerful miracles, they were still raising the dead into the fourth century. People don't realize that. I mean, small remnants, by the fourth century, they were pretty much getting, you know, the church, which became the Vatican was wiping that out as fast as they could, because they had a plan. Talk about not the good of the tree. But anyway, so. But the point is, at the end of the second century, beginning of the third,, and he realized that God and Christianity had pretty much destroyed Rome took over wrong, all right. And it was politically expedient for him to be a Christian. And so he offered Christian fathers, you know, legitimacy to be a state religion. Well, as soon as they became a state religion he took over, and even the programs that we have today with the altar, and the one-man show one guy doing all the talk, I tell everybody what's going on? Don't that's not the first century. We got all that from him from Constantine. How many people know that? Does God still show up yet? At our services, you know, one-man show or not? He still shows up. Why is that? Well, he's his bride is there is remnants there, not everybody's on? And His Word is there. Right? He's going to honor his word. He's going to go after his bride and try to edify his bride. Right.So he can still do it. Well, yeah, it's through the 80%. But it's not exactly what he was hoping for.Absolutely. It was we have no idea just how, how far off the mark we Yeah, yeah, we just don't. It's by that's why the scripture says, of course, you know, because of his great mercies. We're not consumed. He's way more loving and tolerant. And you talk about enlightened tolerance. Boy, those people on that other side of the aisle aren't really they don't next podcast. We won't get into that. All right. So but yeah, you can't really even get close to that kind of enlightened tolerance. But, so, the point is, when you know, we this is how we got here. The body of christ I say has drifted from the first century to almost the beginning. And when the Vatican got ahold of the churches and made it one church with one guy, you know, the one-man show up there pontificating From then on, we went into, I mean, what it's the fruit of that. The Dark Ages, rightly named Dark Ages.Yeah. Because when I was in, in high school, I went to Europe for a month. And we went to some churches like Denmark and England and places like that. We'd go into this church and had the, you know, the little corner shrine thing up there where the guy would sit in or stand. Oh, yeah, yeah, it's like, and he was the only one with the Bible. Right. Everybody else was kind of sitting in the pew. And, and absorbing from me. Yeah, absolutely. And, and it's not, you're not. Some people may take this as Oh, you're just bashing pastors and people like that?You're not right. Yeah.That will lead me But yeah, I'll explain that because people are probably going off the deep end maybe. Well, sure. He's wearing you say you're saying pastors are, you know, needed?Yeah. Well, no, here's, here's the deal. See, the fivefold ministry? Is the answer. 

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I wanted to go over a few things before we get into the podcast and just let you know what what this is all about. The format basically of the shows going to be can be an interview based with a different individuals mainly a lot of people that are just regular people that are step call them to do and we'll have some stories about that could be interesting what the main things I want you to get out of this podcast is to understand where we are in the current time of the church and in our lives and what the answer is to that we all know that the answer is Jesus but there's a lot more depth to that is just I believe in Jesus so I want to go a little bit about who I am. I'm a husband or 26 years my wife Glenda men 18 and 22 ,  I'm a self-employed home inspector have been for several 20 years plus.  Ive always wanted to own my own business and eventually got to the point. I was saved in  college, fell away, got recommitted in Knoxville Tennessee at a Promise Keepers event that Franklin Graham was speaking at.So let me tell you why I started this podcast.This started about five years ago now I listen to a lot of podcasts, I love the intimate nature of a podcast you know I talk real close to your ear and you can hear me x you know what you go through life as long as fractions going on with the podcast you've got the earphones right up to your earbud and there's a list chance of distraction the best thing about a podcast is they're not filled with endless you know sponsors endless commercials and in commercials of stuff you really don't care about it but God gave me a message really not with the message at the time were so was a picture in my mind and in my heart actually because it's simmered there for 5 years  I got a picture like a lot of you might actually get a forward or picture or a sense of something that you just feel like that's from God and you know that can that consumer in your spirit your soul for a long time before anything happens with it and hopefully, through this podcast and while the episodes that you'll begin to realize where God speaks into you and allow you to really bring out what he's calling each one of us to do in our Christian walk. Another reason why I want to start the podcast because believe it or not I haven't been living under a rock a lot of our avenues of communication have been manipulated I've been turned off shut down closed accounts you know you have a conservative voice welcome in this country podcast might possibly be the last speaking of the communication Christian community has available to him other than walking out the door across the street to our neighbors it's down the street corners.I got a couple of caveats to go over just so we're clear on where we're at you are here comes out of five years of simmering in the spirit another caveat doesn't hear me say the church a lot and when I say this church I don't mean particularly a particular church unless I call it out unless somebody else called it out it's the body of Christ it's not a condemnation it's a challenge let's get together united and go and do what God is calling to do.    I won't try to get into too much of a finger pointing but it will you might interpret in the finger-pointing and if it is well keep that shoe off.So you know my heart,  this is not a particular attack on pastor's, we all have accountability in the fight against evil so as you're hearing this you might think it will with no that's not it me to look at ourselves in the mirror as a church myself in the mirror as a believer in Christ what am I doing.The most important caveat answer for anyone listening you have Jesus in your heart except in the Lord and Savior and you believe that he died on the crossroads again 3 days later you put your faith in him that's the most important.The other caveat is that must have intimacy with the Holy Spirit I'll talk a little bit about that later but that's Matthew 6:6, When you pray go into your closet shut the door and pray and it very images Jesus did it right he went out into the wilderness.   So, intimacy with the Holy Spirit you will hear that like a drumbeat, intimacy with the Holy Spirit if you're not spending time alone how do you know you and the Holy Spirit in a closet if that all find a room find a closet, shut the door and talk to the Holy Spirit.To pray in the spirit you don't know how to pray in the spirit I'm sure we'll have an episode that talks about that.  If you don't believe in that,  give us a little tolerance. Praying Spirit continually, that means  all the  time a minute hour by hour you know I can't be talking to my clients and I can't be doing this and praying in the spirit, you sure can talk and be in the spirit and be speaking through that. As your having to work every day, you're driving the grocery store just start praying in the spirit. if you have intimacy with God and pray in the spirit there is freedom.There is invisible barrier we are up against in Li that's something we can see Matt. 17:21 this is where the disciples were trying to cast out a demon, Jesus told them because of their unbelief, surely I say to you if you have faith as a mustard seed will you will mountain move from here to there and it will move. For nothing will be impossible for you, however, this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting. There are things in our lives right now that the only way they're going to move us through prayer and fasting. I know you're fighting for that if your listener's program.  Prayer and fasting pray in the spirit continuously, spend time in the secret place with God with the Holy Spirit in his language and speaking to him.On the other side of this  membrane I've been on the other side of that, it's like it's on the other side of the veil is torn,you've seen these movies  where people are poking their hand through this invisible wall invisible screen or whatever. There truly is this membrane that we have to bust through and on the other side of that is the true power and freedom in Christian life, because when you get past that  and stay continually in prayer. Things will come about in your life that you never believed,  answered prayers, healings.Spending time with Holy Spirit secret place brings you closer and closer to Him. Think about a sword, how does a  blacksmith create a sword, they put a rough unfinished piece of hardened metal into this burning inferno. That's what we do with the Holy Spirit in the secret place. that fire of his is power love and grace molds us,  so when we come out of that he can fasten us into this sword of His spirit. So I compare the place to the blacksmith, that they're forging swords when we go into the secret place of the furnace of God's fire. It allows us to be softened enough so when God speaks to us, He hammers us into a strong mighty sword of the spirit and we need that in this day and time.ReplyForward

This is an introduction to what is growing in the body of  Christ and a remnant of churches.  It was best explained in a recent of the episode of  Flashpoint with Gene Baily on the  Youtube channel The  Victory Channel.  His opening monologue was so on point i couldn't have said it any better, he read my mind!.  So, i just wanted to replay it  for you.https://www.youtube.com/c/TheVictoryChannelCheck out the Remnant Revolution Podcast website:  www.remnantrevolution.orgComments or questions  remnantrevolution610@gmail.com