Podcasts about B2B

This Week In Startups is made possible by:Sentry - http://sentry.io/twistLinkedIn Ads - http://linkedin.com/thisweekinstartupsPipedrive - pipedrive.com/twistToday's show:Netflix wants to gobble up Warner Bros. Do they just want to own Batman and Harry Potter, or is this secretly about destroying movie theaters?Sure, this is usually a startup show, but news THIS BIG warrants attention! So Lon stops by to tell Jason and Alex about the big Netflix acquisition news, why so many theatrical movie fans are terrified for the future, and why this might face particular regulatory scrutiny both at home and abroad.PLUS… are Googlers gaming Polymarket? This is one scenario in which prediction markets are NOT exactly like stocks.THEN we're looking at some of our favorite startups from the Fall ‘25 Y Combinator cohort (and asking Producer Claude for his picks)… Considering why Perplexity keeps getting sued and how they can stop it… and doing a victory lap for Jason's early investment in breakout AI training project Micro1.Timestamps:(02:05) Netflix buying Warner Bros! Jason, Lon and Alex react.(05:04) Jaytrade Update: J kind of missed the boat on this one(05:36) What does this mean for theatrical cinema?(08:42) Sentry - New users get 3 months free of the Business plan (covers 150k errors). Go to http://sentry.io/twist and use code TWIST(09:52) Jason's pitch to Disney CEO Bob Iger (please send this to him!)(19:36) LinkedIn Ads: Start converting your B2B audience into high quality leads today. Launch your first campaign and get $250 FREE when you spend at least $250. Go to http://linkedin.com/thisweekinstartups to claim your credit.(23:29) Is this deal going to get approval, at home and abroad?(25:52) Are Googlers gaming Polymarket?(28:02) Can you do “insider trading” on a prediction market?(29:23) Pipedrive - Bring your entire sales process into one elegant space. Get started with a 30 day free trial at pipedrive.com/twist(37:00) How accelerators like Y Combinator serve as “finishing schools” for startups(37:52) A Quick Look at some of our fav companies from YC's Fall '25 cohort(39:01) Why startups need to “skate to where the puck is going”(40:08) Why sometimes old ideas (like solar-powered aircraft) are often worth revisiting(45:29) Jason's advice for founders (and investors) in the “feel good” or activist space(50:48) Why Lon, Alex, and Claude ALL thought Hyperspell sounds like a hot startup(52:58) Perplexity getting sued again! Why can't they make friends!(57:51) Meanwhile, Meta's signing AI deals with news publications.(59:21) Micro1, which Jason helped to fund, has hit $100M ARR! Why do AI companies need so many experts?Subscribe to the TWiST500 newsletter: https://ticker.thisweekinstartups.comCheck out the TWIST500: https://www.twist500.comSubscribe to This Week in Startups on Apple: https://rb.gy/v19fcpFollow Lon:X: https://x.com/lonsFollow Alex:X: https://x.com/alexLinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexwilhelmFollow Jason:X: https://twitter.com/JasonLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasoncalacanisThank you to our partners:(8:42) Sentry - New users get 3 months free of the Business plan (covers 150k errors). Go to http://sentry.io/twist and use code TWIST(19:36) LinkedIn Ads: Start converting your B2B audience into high quality leads today. Launch your first campaign and get $250 FREE when you spend at least $250. Go to http://linkedin.com/thisweekinstartups to claim your credit.(29:23) Pipedrive - Bring your entire sales process into one elegant space. Get started with a 30 day free trial at pipedrive.com/twist

Was the 2025 Bitcoin top a failure? We analyze why $126k felt underwhelming, compare BTC returns against Gold and the S&P 500, and discuss Meltem Demirors' thesis on why TradFi is beating DeFi. Plus, why institutional adoption might be making crypto boring. Today, we unpack the "underwhelming" 2025 bull market. Was $126k really the top? We dive into the data showing Bitcoin's 4-year ROI is virtually indistinguishable from the S&P 500 and Gold. We also break down Meltem Demirors' viral thread on why "Proof of Stake was a mistake", how TradFi revenue has officially flipped DeFi, and why the meme coin supercycle left retail investors empty-handed. Subscribe to the newsletter! [https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.com](https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.com) Notes: * BTC 4yr ROI: 12% vs Gold 10% * TradFi Rev $9.1B vs DeFi $9B * BTC Range: $70k-$100k for 2 yrs * '21 Inflation Adj Peak: $84k * BTC Down 2.6% in 12 Months * 2025 Bitcoin Top: $126k Timestamps: 00:00 Start 02:02 Have you seen my bull run? 10:05 Meltem's Thread 16:26 Maker DAO 24:37 Proof of Mistake -

If you've been sleeping on LinkedIn, this episode will wake you up. Today, LinkedIn Strategist Mollie Lo joins Michelle to reveal the exact steps entrepreneurs, coaches, consultants, and service providers can take to transform LinkedIn into a high-converting visibility and client-attraction platform. Inside this episode, you'll learn: ️ Why LinkedIn is no longer “just a job search site” LinkedIn is aggressively expanding into the B2B creator and entrepreneur economy — which means massive organic reach, fewer ads, and a huge opportunity for visibility. ️ The profile updates that instantly increase your credibility Mollie breaks down how to optimize your headline, Service Marketplace, and even your name pronunciation feature to convert more profile views into clients. (YES — she uses that audio space to sell!) ️ What to post on LinkedIn to get clients (not just likes) Learn what content categories LinkedIn's algorithm is boosting right now — including newsletters, vertical video, polls, and PDF carousels that position you as a thought leader. ️ Mollie's “Attraction Marketing Framework” for LinkedIn Post quality over quantity. Your content should magnetize the right clients and repel the wrong ones through storytelling, authenticity, and conviction-based messaging. ️ How to start sales conversations WITHOUT sounding spammy Mollie shares her inbound + outbound prospecting method, including the search “loophole” she uses to find ideal clients without triggering LinkedIn's restrictions. Her approach: “Make the conversation about them, not you.” ️ The #1 action step that will move your LinkedIn forward today A simple 15-minute prospecting routine that changed her business — and can change yours too. LinkedIn marketing, LinkedIn strategy for entrepreneurs, LinkedIn visibility tips, how to get clients on LinkedIn, LinkedIn for coaches, B2B marketing LinkedIn, LinkedIn content strategy, LinkedIn profile optimization, LinkedIn prospecting tips, social selling, LinkedIn engagement 2025. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

"Todo mundo tem um plano até levar o primeiro soco na cara." — Mike Tyson. Em vendas B2B, esse soco é o clássico "tá caro!" que desmonta qualquer roteiro ensaiado. Neste episódio, Márcio Miranda mostra como transformar a Inteligência Artificial no seu Sparring Digital — um parceiro de treino que simula os piores clientes, pressiona seu preço, desafia seus argumentos e expõe falhas antes da reunião real. Você vai aprender a: Configurar a IA para interpretar clientes difíceis (como o temido “Dr. Humberto”) Treinar respostas sob pressão, com simulações cada vez mais duras Pedir para a IA sair do personagem e avaliar tecnicamente seus erros Construir repertório real para defender preço sem entrar em pânico Ideia central: apanhe do robô hoje para garantir a comissão amanhã. BÔNUS – Guia gratuito para economizar no dia a dia Envie uma mensagem no WhatsApp: (11) 99109-7186 Escreva apenas: PDF Você receberá imediatamente o material “5 Roteiros de IA para economizar dinheiro”. Disponível em Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube e nas principais plataformas de podcast.

It's time to draw your 2026 marketing plan, and we want to help you maximize profits with Meta ads. We're offering you 30 monthly deliverables,10 ad types, media buying, and access to Tier 11's Data Suite before the year ends.Claim your Creative Diversification Package now at: https://www.tiereleven.com/cd Are you trying to squeeze every last bit out of Meta, Google, and TikTok but still missing a piece of the growth puzzle? What if one of the most powerful performance channels is hiding in plain sight on your TV? That's exactly the concept we dig into today as we explore the opportunities inside connected TV and why it's becoming a must-have in every marketer's media mix.We're joined by Vibhor Kapoor, Chief Business Officer at NextRoll, to unpack how CTV has evolved from a “big brand awareness play” into a precision-targeted, full-funnel performance channel. We get into CPM shifts, attribution clarity, identity graphs, retargeting flows, and the wild amount of audience-level data available inside modern streaming platforms. Plus, we talk about how repurposed social creatives, not $200K production shoots, are already driving 2–3X stronger ROAS for brands and B2B companies. As you build your 2026 plan, this conversation will redefine multi-channel advertising and where the smartest budget shifts are happening. In This Episode:- What NextRoll does now: the evolution- How NextRoll handles attribution on social platforms- Why AI-driven budget optimization is necessary- What is CTV and why is it exploding?- CPM shifts in CTV targeting - Targeting and retargeting CTV ads across devices - Real-world CTV results- What marketers must know for 2026Mentioned in the Episode:AdRoll / NextRoll CTV case studies Listen to This Episode on Your Favorite Podcast Channel:Follow and listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perpetual-traffic/id1022441491 Follow and listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/59lhtIWHw1XXsRmT5HBAuK Subscribe and watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@perpetual_traffic?sub_confirmation=1We Appreciate Your Support!Visit our website: https://perpetualtraffic.com/ Follow us on X: https://x.com/perpetualtraf Connect with Vibhor Kapoor:Website: https://www.adroll.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vibhor Connect with Ralph Burns: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralphburns Instagram -

Think your B2B world is doomed to be dry and boring? Kathryn Frankson sits down with Jay Schwedelson to prove the opposite, pulling stories from massive fintech stages, tiny city libraries, and even her own tea obsession to show how human your marketing could be. From last touch attribution myths to three year event strategies that actually leave room for creativity, this conversation is basically a permission slip to stop hiding behind spreadsheets and start telling real stories. If you have ever been told to just “stick to the numbers,” you are going to feel very seen.ㅤConnect with Kathryn on LinkedIn and explore Money20/20 to see how she brings human first storytelling into massive global fintech events.ㅤBest Moments:(01:20) Kathryn shares how years as a quota carrying B2B sales rep shaped her obsession with human centered marketing and real storytelling.(03:40) Why she loves so called boring B2B industries and hires people with zero events background to keep perspectives fresh and curious.(07:30) The New Berlin library trust fall video, a renamed Minnesota town, and a car dealership spoof show how wildly creative “unsexy” sectors can be.(10:05) Kathryn breaks down how Money20/20 uses three year strategy, data, and clear guardrails so creativity and storytelling are baked into the plan, not random one offs.(12:05) A takedown of last touch attribution and the gap between how humans actually discover brands and how most marketing teams try to measure it.(15:05) Kathryn sells Jay on switching from coffee to tea with a mini masterclass on polyphenols, calmer energy, and her “I like my marketing hot, but my tea hotter” tagline.ㅤCheck out Jay's YOUTUBE Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelsonCheck out Jay's TIKTOK: https://www.tiktok.com/@schwedelsonCheck Out Jay's INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/

Today, we are breaking down one of the more impressive B2B media businesses I have come across, Doximity. It's been called “the LinkedIn for doctors.”  Jim Jones, partner and analyst at William Blair Asset Management, helped explain exactly how Doximity works as a business. Jim gets into the community engine that works for and around medical professionals. And yes, there is a social network, but it's the add-ons, such as the required continued education that doctors can complete on the platform, including script signing, and all of those little tools that make a doctor's or medical professional's life much easier. The revenue engine is advertising, and Jim delves into the nuances of how that spend works, explaining why this is the business model they've chosen. Please enjoy this Breakdown of Doximity.  For the full show notes, transcript, and links to the best content to learn more, check out the episode page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ here.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ —- This episode is brought to you by⁠⁠ ⁠Portrait Analytics⁠⁠⁠ - your centralized resource for AI-powered idea generation, thesis monitoring, and personalized report building. Built by buy-side investors, for investment professionals. We work in the background, helping surface stock ideas and thesis signposts to help you monetize every insight. In short, we help you understand the story behind the stock chart, and get to "go, or no-go" 10x faster than before. Sign-up for a free trial today at⁠⁠ ⁠portraitresearch.com⁠⁠⁠ — Business Breakdowns is a property of Colossus, LLC. For more episodes of Business Breakdowns, visit⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ joincolossus.com/episodes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thepodcastconsultant.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). Show Notes (00:00:00) Welcome to Business Breakdowns (00:02:52) Overview of Doximity (00:03:46) Doximity's Business Model and Revenue Streams (00:07:25) History and Evolution of Doximity (00:08:33) Competition and Market Position (00:13:27) Advertising Trends and Digital Shift (00:20:20) Doximity's Financials and Profitability (00:22:39) AI Integration and Future Prospects (00:29:32) Valuation and Market Perception (00:32:40) Lessons From Doximity

Today's guest is Dan Jamieson, who is chief executive and co-owner of ICONS, the world's biggest signed football memorabilia company. ICONS was founded in 1999, originally starting as an editorial website for footballers to connect directly with fans. The business successfully pivoted to focus on signed memorabilia, a niche subset of the broader merchandise market, valued at hundreds of millions annually within football. ICONS focuses on exclusive partnerships with superstars, holding the worldwide exclusive contract for Leo Messi's signed memorabilia, which they combine with licenses from rights holders like FIFA and the Champions League. This strategy capitalizes on the trend of fandom increasingly shifting toward individual players. Authenticity is maintained through a "triple lock" system, which time-codes, geolocates, and video-records every signing session, linking the unique digital evidence to the physical product via an NFC chip. Their customer base includes retail buyers (often purchasing gifts) and B2B partners such as clubs and sponsors like Heineken, who use the items for promotions. Unofficial Partner is the leading podcast for the business of sport. A mix of entertaining and thought provoking conversations with a who's who of the global industry. To join our community of listeners, sign up to the weekly UP Newsletter and follow us on Twitter and TikTok at @UnofficialPartnerWe publish two podcasts each week, on Tuesday and Friday. These are deep conversations with smart people from inside and outside sport. Our entire back catalogue of 400 sports business conversations are available free of charge here. Each pod is available by searching for ‘Unofficial Partner' on Apple, Spotify, Google, Stitcher and every podcast app. If you're interested in collaborating with Unofficial Partner to create one-off podcasts or series, you can reach us via the website.

This week on the EUVC Podcast, Andreas Munk Holm sits down with Mikael Johnsson, Co-founder & General Partner at Oxx, one of Europe's leading specialist B2B software investors.Mikael has a very clear-eyed view on the current AI wave: he's seeing valuation discipline slip, fundamentals being stretched, and a real risk that the market mistakes pilot-driven excitement for lasting enterprise value.In this episode, they explore how to distinguish hype from substance, what “real” AI adoption looks like within a business process, and how both founders and investors can remain level-headed when everyone else is losing theirs.

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In this podcast episode, Dr. Jonathan H. Westover talks with Julia Bersin about the recent report out from the Josh Bersin Company, People Management in the Age of AI: The Rise of the Supermanager. Julia Bersin is currently Associate Director, Research at the Josh Bersin Company - studying people practices and technology that help companies transform work for the future. She has a background in B2B tech with a focus on demand gen & growth. She has experience managing multiple functions and teams and marketing to various industries and roles – including HR, TA, Customer Support & Revenue functions.  Check out all of the podcasts in the HCI Podcast Network!

December might feel like a throwaway month, but Jay Schwedelson is here with a simple shift that turns the end of the year into a lead and revenue spike by using intent signals as your actual offer. He walks through how to spot and capture real buying intent across B2B, consumer, and nonprofit campaigns, then finishes with some very honest (and funny) thoughts on holiday cards and those ridiculous surprise-car commercials. Expect specific copy ideas you can steal right away while everyone else is mentally on vacation.ㅤBest Moments:(00:20) Why December is secretly a goldmine if you stop mailing it in and lead with intent-based offers.(01:45) B2B examples like Q1 readiness audits, vendor comparison checklists, and RFP kickstart kits that instantly reveal who is in market.(03:05) Consumer plays such as last-minute hero finder and VIP early access for sellout items to target shoppers who are still actively buying.(04:15) Nonprofit hooks like donation impact calculators and sponsor a need selectors that surface serious year-end donors.(04:55) How intent signal campaigns in December and early January crush for pipeline, platform switches, and tax-motivated giving.(05:40) Jay's rant on random family holiday cards and unrealistic holiday car gift commercials you never see in real life.ㅤCheck out Jay's YOUTUBE Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelsonCheck out Jay's TIKTOK: https://www.tiktok.com/@schwedelsonCheck Out Jay's INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/

Gayle talks about the importance of thought leadership, starting a business later in life, the impact of AI on marketing, and much more! Gayle Kalvert founded Creo Collective in 2021 to help B2B marketing leaders at tech companies do work that truly drives results for both content and revenue. With a background spanning two decades in marketing and sales, she brings real-world experience and a practical perspective to every client partnership.

Taza Chocolate didn't follow trends—it built a lasting brand by doubling down on its differences. Founders Alex Whitmore and Kathleen Fulton share how staying true to their product, owning their manufacturing, and leading with purpose helped them weather crises and grow a resilient business.For more on Taza Chocolate and show notes click here Subscribe and watch Shopify Masters on YouTube!Sign up for your FREE Shopify Trial here.

Most marketers and experts don't have a conversion problem—they have a messaging problem. Their websites, emails, and content are packed with facts, features, and “I help…” statements that never touch the emotional brain that actually decides to buy. In the age of AI-generated content and endless noise, it's the human story behind your offer that cuts through and converts.In this episode of Your Digital Marketing Coach, I'm joined by Aurora Winter—Hollywood-trained storyteller, entrepreneur, and author of ten books, including Turn Words Into Wealth and Marketing Fast Track. Aurora has helped entrepreneurs, attorneys, and experts transform their “invisible” expertise into powerful IP, profitable books, and seven-figure opportunities by fixing how they talk about what they do.We dive into the specific messaging shifts that turn flat copy into compelling stories, why your brand will determine whether you compete on value or race to the bottom on price, and how to use books, video, and AI-era search engines (Amazon, YouTube, and beyond) to establish real authority. If you're serious about building a B2B brand that sells without screaming “buy now,” this conversation is your playbook.Tune in to discover:How to transform “I help…” statements into powerful, outcome-driven promisesThe “hell to heaven” storytelling structure you can plug into emails, sales pages, and videosWhy building a story bank is now a critical IP asset—especially with AI in the mixHow to avoid “credibility clutter” and use fewer, stronger proof points to elevate your authorityA practical method to get your book written quickly by talking instead of staring at a blank pageHow to go from invisible expert to go-to thought leader using Amazon, YouTube, and AI searchThe neuroscience behind why stories stick while numbers and facts get forgottenThe three-step brain-based formula Aurora uses to craft messages that actually move people to actGuest LinksAurora's Site & Bonuses: https://samepagepublishing.comTurn Words Into Wealth (Book): https://amzn.to/4oFzBpE Marketing Fast Track (Book): https://amzn.to/48CCjWWAurora's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/aurorawinterLearn More: Buy Digital Threads: https://nealschaffer.com/digitalthreadsamazon Buy Maximizing LinkedIn for Business Growth: https://nealschaffer.com/maximizinglinkedinamazon Join My Digital First Mastermind: https://nealschaffer.com/membership/ Learn about My Fractional CMO Consulting Services: https://nealschaffer.com/cmo Download My Free Ebooks Here: https://nealschaffer.com/books/ Subscribe to my YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/nealschaffer All My Podcast Show Notes: https://podcast.nealschaffer.com

Your funnel isn't broken, but your nerve is. “Best practices” are just average practices with better PR. If every headline, homepage, and hot take sounds the same… what's the one bold move that makes you unforgettable?In this episode, Udi Ledergor, Chief Evangelist at Gong and author of Courageous Marketing, torches the safe playbook and helps us build a braver one: a sharp, differentiated POV that slices through “sea of sameness” B2B. We get brutally practical on how to stop shipping beige content, why the CEO (not marketing) owns the brand, and how psychological safety unlocks the kind of creative risks that actually move pipeline. We also cover:Why “best practices” guarantee mediocrity and how to replace them with courageous bets.How to punch above your weight at tentpole events without buying the $500K booth.The 3-part brand promise test (and how most orgs break it in customer support).How to interview your CEO and Sales for risk tolerance before you take the job.Using AI to kill drudgery, not taste so your POV stays unmistakably human.

Crafting Genuine Connections and Building Thought Leadership on LinkedIn with Owen Sammarone In this episode of the All Things Book Marketing podcast by Smith Publicity, this episode's host Marissa Eigenbrood, Smith Publicity's President, interviews Owen Sammarone, founder of Unleash the Knowledge—a personal branding and ghostwriting agency. Owen shares his journey from a non-reader to an influential content creator with a 200,000-follower community. The discussion centers on how founders, executives, and authors can leverage LinkedIn to build their brands, emphasizing the importance of authentic, value-driven content and genuine human connections. Owen also offers practical tips on avoiding automated 'pitch slapping,' using AI judiciously, and nurturing relationships through personalized engagement. As they reflect on their longstanding professional relationship, Marissa and Owen explore actionable strategies to enhance online presence and drive business growth, stressing the significance of maintaining a human touch in the increasingly digital landscape.00:00 Welcome and Introduction01:00 Meet Owen Sammarone : Founder of Unleash the Knowledge04:17 Owen's Journey: From Non-Reader to Book Enthusiast05:13 Building a Community and Personal Brand15:00 The Power of Niching Down18:27 Effective LinkedIn Strategies24:03 The Value of Giving Without Expectation25:11 Personalized Outreach Strategies27:35 The Role of AI in LinkedIn Engagement29:14 Maximizing LinkedIn's Potential34:37 Effective Connection Requests38:33 The Billboard Analogy for LinkedIn Profiles44:24 Looking Ahead to 2026: Staying Human in a Digital WorldOwen Sammarone is the founder and CEO of Unleash The Knowledge, a personal-branding and thought-leadership agency that helps B2B founders, consultants, and executives turn their LinkedIn presence into a powerful, consistent driver of authority. He's become known in the industry as a go-to “LinkedIn Growth Guy,” offering insights on how to turn content into consistent inbound demand, build authority, and scale influence — whether you're an author, consultant, or executive looking to expand your impact Smith Publicity is an international book publicity firm specializing in non-fiction, business, lifestyle and thought-leadership projects. Since 1997, they have helped authors and experts amplify their voices, reach the right audiences, and make a meaningful impact through media placements, strategic campaigns, and expert guidance. For more information visit Smith Publicity.  

How can deep customer understanding drive more effective B2B marketing strategies?This special Hard Corps Marketing Show takeover episode features an episode from the Connect To Market podcast, hosted by Casey Cheshire. In this conversation, Casey sits down with Greg Perotto, VP of Global Marketing at Poggio to explore the power of deep customer understanding in shaping successful B2B go-to-market efforts. Greg emphasizes the critical need to move beyond surface-level personas and truly understand customer needs, priorities, and challenges to drive meaningful marketing and sales alignment.He shares how AI technologies can be leveraged to continuously update and deliver relevant, real-time context about customers, helping teams create more personalized and impactful experiences. Greg also reflects on his own career journey, offering advice on mentorship, self-awareness, and finding purpose in your work.In this episode, we cover:How to move beyond static personas and gain real-time, contextual customer understandingThe role of AI in scaling personalized marketing and keeping insights fresh and actionableWhy product-market fit is a moving target and how to stay aligned with evolving customer needsHow to use customer context as a strategic advantage in sales conversations and GTM planning

Looking for B2B advertising on our podcast for the coffee industry: support@mapitforward.org or DM us here https://www.instagram.com/mapitforward.coffee/••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••This is episode four of a 5-part podcast series on The Daily Coffee Pro Podcast by Map It Forward, hosted by Lee Safar and featuring returning guest Carley Garner.Carley is a commodity broker and the founder of US-based commodity brokerage firm, DeCarley Trading.In this series, Lee and Carley discuss the coffee futures market in 2025 and 2026.No information in this series is financial advice and trading comes at the risk of losing money.The five episodes of this series are:1. 2025 Has Been An Unusual Year in Coffee Futures - https://youtu.be/fuyIL1PJjN82. The Forces That Moved Coffee Futures in 2025 - https://youtu.be/7-I7iduViAQ3. Taking Advantages of High Coffee Prices Outside the Cash Market - https://youtu.be/djwdbraAi2w4. Speculators Are Important To The Coffee Futures Market - https://youtu.be/K_Z6lny-wsI5. Coffee Futures Markets in 2026 - https://youtu.be/TG_TUCwi7eAIn this episode of the podcast series, Lee and Carley discuss the crucial role of speculators in the coffee futures market. Discover how speculators provide liquidity, affect pricing, and why their participation can prevent market volatility. Learn about the significant challenges coffee farmers face, such as high interest rates on agricultural loans and the generational knowledge gap in hedging tools. Understand the vital connection between speculators and traders, and how the industry's dynamics may impact coffee production in the years ahead.Connect with Carley and DeCarley Trading at:https://www.decarleytrading.comhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/carleygarner/https://www.instagram.com/decarleytrading/https://decarleytrading.substack.com/https://www.decarleytrading.com/learn-to-trade-commodities ‍••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••Connect with Map It Forward here: Website | Instagram | Mailing list

In this episode, Jim Beaver sits down with Matt Martelli for a deep dive into one of the most unconventional careers in modern motorsports. From growing up in Parker surrounded by legends, to grinding his way into trophy trucks, to accidentally becoming one of off-road's most influential broadcasters and marketers, Jim's story is a masterclass in hustle, timing, and staying connected to the culture that raised you. Jim talks about building his first trucks from scratch, learning the media game before anyone else was paying attention, launching his own radio show out of thin air, and turning it into a nationally syndicated platform that's connected off-road to NASCAR, NHRA, IndyCar, Hollywood, and beyond. He breaks down his first big break with Red Bull Global Rallycross, the rise of Star Car, his relationships with icons like Ken Block and Travis Pastrana, and the B2B backbone that actually keeps motorsports alive. This is a wide-open conversation about racing, media, culture, sponsorship, eSports, and the future of off-road — told by someone who's been in every corner of it. If you care about where the sport is headed, or how to build something from nothing, this episode is required listening.

Varun Puri, CEO and cofounder of Yoodli, joins the show to talk about using AI role play to transform how people practice for high stakes conversations, from sales calls to job interviews to tough manager chats. He breaks down how Yoodli went from a consumer public speaking tool to a serious enterprise platform used by teams at Google, Snowflake, Databricks, and more, all while staying anchored in one mission, helping humans communicate with confidence. We dig into product led growth, honest feedback loops, and why real human communication will matter even more as AI makes information instant.Key takeaways• Why Yoodli started with public speaking anxiety and grew into an AI role play simulator for any important conversation, not just conference talks or pitch decks• How watching real user behavior inside companies like Google pulled the team into enterprise without abandoning their consumer product• A simple approach to product feedback, talk to end users constantly, then prioritize changes by business impact, renewal risk, and how many people benefit• What it really takes to move from consumer to enterprise, new roles, new processes, and a very different mindset around reliability, security, and expectations• Why Varun draws clear ethical lines, using AI to coach and prepare people, not to replace human judgment in hiring, promotion, or high trust decisionsTimestamped highlights[00:35] What Yoodli actually does today, from solo practice to training sales and go to market teams inside large enterprises[01:43] The original vision, helping people who are scared of public speaking, and the insight that interviews, sales calls, and manager talks are all just role plays[03:37] How the team listens to end users, the channels they rely on, and why the consumer product is still their testing ground for new ideas and experiments[05:20] Following users into the enterprise, why it was an addition and not a full pivot, and how product led growth inside companies like Google works in practice[07:42] The early shock of selling to enterprises, learning about new roles, SLAs, InfoSec, and bringing in leaders from Tableau and Salesforce to build a real B2B engine[11:10] Two paths for AI in sales, tools that try to replace humans versus tools that make humans better, and why Varun has drawn a hard line on what Yoodli will not do[15:26] A future where information is commoditized and instant, and why communication and presence become the real edge for top performers in that world[20:48] Designing for trust and adoption, how Yoodli keeps practice private by default, when data is shared, and why control has to sit with the end userA line worth saving“In a world where AI makes everyone smarter and faster, the thing that will be at the biggest premium is how you communicate as a human with other humans.”Practical ideas you can use• Keep a consumer like surface in your product so you can experiment faster than your enterprise roadmap would ever allow• Treat feedback from large customers like a queue you rank by renewal risk, strategic value, and number of users helped, not as a list you must clear• Look for product led growth signals inside your user base, if thousands of people in one company are using you, someone there probably wants a team level solution• Draw explicit boundaries for your AI product, write down what you will not automate, so you can build trust with users and buyers over the long termCall to actionIf you care about the future of sales, interviewing, and communication in an AI rich world, this conversation is worth a listen. Follow the show, leave a quick rating, and share this episode with a founder, product leader, or sales leader who is thinking about AI in their workflow. And if you want feedback on your own speaking, check out what Varun and his team are building at Yoodli.

Today, Mason Cosby, Founder of Scrappy ABM, explains how a strategy-first approach powers account-based programs, why technology should support rather than replace human judgment and how marketers can translate signals into revenue outcomes. Mason reflects on changing B2B buying behavior, the tension between automation and personalization and the importance of clear messaging in crowded markets. He also shows how scrappy teams use lightweight tools and focused playbooks to build engagement, accelerate pipeline and prove marketing impact.Key Takeaways:00:00 Introduction.01:45 Hands-on experimentation can reveal a unique niche and lead to new opportunities.04:54 Strong foundations in people, process and systems enable scalable programs.08:04 Over-reliance on automation and poor targeting can weaken marketing relationships.09:50 Human judgment and tailored communication keep outreach relevant and respectful.13:57 Revenue and pipeline remain the core metrics, even when long B2B sales cycles require patience.15:42 Consistent communication and engagement are key leading indicators for the future pipeline.20:53 Visibility and impressions support long-term brand-building efforts.29:30 Clear messaging reduces confusion and strengthens market positioning.Resources Mentioned:Mason Cosbyhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/masoncosby/Scrappy ABM | LinkedInhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/scrappy-abm/Scrappy ABMhttps://scrappyabm.com/Warmly AIhttps://www.warmly.ai/Apollohttps://www.apollo.io/Propensityhttps://www.propensity.com/HubSpot Starterhttps://www.hubspot.com/pricing/suite/starter?currencyCode=USD&term=annualListen Networkhttps://listennetwork.co/Insightful Links:https://www.tadigital.com/insights/perspectives/how-marketers-can-leverage-marketing-automation-account-based-marketinghttps://researchnxt.com/martech/leveraging-technology-in-account-based-marketing/https://hub.uberflip.com/uberflip-blog-posts/leverage-tech-to-scale-abm-improve-your-abm-strategy-to-deliver-connected-experiencesThanks for listening to the “Marketing Leadership” podcast, brought to you by Listen Network. If you enjoyed this episode, leave a review to help get the word out about the show. And be sure to subscribe so you never miss another insightful conversation. We appreciate the enthusiasm and support from our community. Currently, we are not accepting new guest interview requests as we focus on our existing lineup. We will announce when we reopen for new submissions. In the meantime, feel free to explore our past episodes and stay tuned for updates on future opportunities.#PodcastMarketing #PerformanceMarketing #BrandMarketing

How to Build a Winning Strategy for Your B2B Brand In a fast-paced business environment, marketers, agencies, and consultants must proactively help clients differentiate their brands in the marketplace. One way of doing this is by analyzing the strategy, messaging, and brand positioning, both for their own brands and key competitors. So how can teams conduct this kind of brand research and competitive analysis in a way that's insightful, efficient, and actionable for planning the next steps? Tune in as the B2B Marketers on Mission Podcast presents the Marketing DEMO Lab Series, where we sit down with Clay Ostrom (Founder, Map & Fire) and his SmokeLadder platform designed for brand research, messaging and positioning analysis, and competitive benchmarking. In this episode, Clay explained the platform's origins and features, emphasizing its role in analyzing brand positioning, core messaging, and competitive landscapes. He also stressed the importance of clear, consistent brand positioning and messaging, and how standardized make it easier to compare brands across multiple business values. Clay also highlighted the value of objective, data-driven analysis to identify brand strengths, weaknesses, and gaps, and how tools like SmokeLadder can save significant time in gathering insights to build trust with clients. He provided practical steps for generating, refining, and exporting brand messaging and analysis for internal or client-facing use. Finally, Clay also discussed how action items and recommendations generated from analysis can immediately support smart brand strategy decisions and expedite trust-building with clients. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4_o1PzF1Kk Topics discussed in episode: [1:31] The purpose behind building SmokeLadder and why it matters for B2B teams [12:00] A walkthrough of the SmokeLadder platform and how it works [14:51] SmokeLadder's core features [17:48] How positioning scores and category rankings are calculated [35:36] How differentiation and competitors are analyzed inside SmokeLadder [44:07] How SmokeLadder builds messaging and generates targeted personas [50:24] The key benefits and unique capabilities that set SmokeLadder apart Companies and links: Clay Ostrom Map & Fire SmokeLadder Transcript Christian Klepp  00:00 In an increasingly competitive B2B landscape, marketers, agencies and consultants, need to proactively find ways to help their clients stand out amidst the digital noise. One way of doing this is by analyzing the strategy, messaging and positioning of their own brands and those of their competitors. So how can they do this in a way that’s insightful, efficient and effective? Welcome to this first episode of the B2B Marketers in the Mission podcast Demo Lab Series, and I’m your host, Christian Klepp. Today, I’ll be talking to Clay Ostrom about this topic. He’s the owner and founder of the branding agency Map and Fire, and the creator of the platform Smoke Ladder that we’ll be talking about today. So let’s dive in. Christian Klepp  00:42 All right, and I’m gonna say Clay Ostrom. Welcome to this first episode of the Demo Lab Series. Clay Ostrom  00:50 I am super excited and very honored to be the first guest on this new series. It’s awesome. Christian Klepp  00:56 We are honored to have you here. And you know, let’s sit tight, or batten down the hatches and buckle up, and whatever other analogy you want to throw in there, because we are going to unpack a lot of interesting features and discuss interesting topics around the platform that you’ve built. And I think a good place to start, perhaps Clay before we start doing a walk through of the platform is, but let’s start at the very beginning. What motivated you to create this platform called Smoke Ladder. Clay Ostrom  01:31 So we should go all the way back to my childhood. I always dreamed of, you know, working on brand and positioning. You know, that was something I’ve always thought of since the early days, but no, but I do. I own an agency called Map and Fire, so I’ve been doing this kind of work for over 10 years now, and have worked with lots and lots of different kinds of clients, and over that time, developed different frameworks and a point of view about how to do this kind of work, and when the AI revolution kind of hit us all, it just really struck me that this was an opportunity to take a lot of that thinking and a lot of that, you know, again, my perspective on how to do this work and productize that and turn it into something that could be used by people when we’re not engaged with them, in some kind of service offering. So, so that was kind of the kernel of it. I actually have a background in computer science and product. So it was sort of this natural Venn diagram intersection of I can do some product stuff, I can do brand strategy stuff. So let’s put it together and build something. Christian Klepp  02:46 And the rest, as they say, is history. Clay Ostrom  02:49 The rest, as they say, is a lot of nights and weekends and endless hours slaving away at trying to build something useful. Christian Klepp  02:58 Sure, sure, that certainly is part of it, too. Clay Ostrom  03:01 Yeah. Christian Klepp  03:02 Let’s not keep the audience in suspense for too long here, right? Like, let’s start with the walk through. And before you share your screen, maybe I’ll set this up a little bit, right? Because you, as you said, like, you know, you’ve built this platform. It’s called Smoke Ladder, which I thought was a really clever name. It’s, you like to describe it as, like, your favorite SEO (Search Engine Optimization) tool, but for brand research and analysis. So I would say, like, walk us through how somebody would use this platform, like, whether they be a marketer that’s already been like in the industry for years, or is starting out, or somebody working at a brand or marketing agency, and how does the platform address these challenges or questions that people have regarding brand strategy, analysis and research? Clay Ostrom  03:49 Yeah, yeah. I use that analogy of the SEO thing, just because, especially early on, I was trying to figure out the best way to describe it to someone who hasn’t seen it before. I feel like it’s a, I’m not going to fall into the trap of saying, this is the only product like this, but it has its own unique twists with what it can do. And I felt like SEO tools are something everybody has touched at one point or another. So I was using this analogy of, it’s like the s, you know, Semrush of positioning and messaging or Ahrefs, depending on your if you’re a Coke or Pepsi person. But I always felt like that was just a quick way to give a little idea of the fact that it’s both about analyzing your own brand, but it’s also about competitive analysis and being able to see what’s going on in the market or in your landscape, and looking specifically at what your competitors are doing and what their strengths and weaknesses are. So does that resonate with you in terms of, like, a shorthand way, I will say, I don’t. I don’t say that. It’s super explicitly on the website, but it’s been in conversation. Christian Klepp  05:02 No, absolutely, absolutely, that resonated with me. The only part that didn’t resonate with me is that I’m neither a coke or a Pepsi person. I’m more of a ginger ale type of guy. I digress. But yeah, let’s what don’t you share your screen, and let’s walk through this, right? Like, okay, if a marketing person were like, use the platform to do some research on, perhaps that marketers, like own company and the competitors as well, right? Like, what would they do? Clay Ostrom  05:32 Yeah, so that’s, that is, like you were saying, there’s, sort of, I guess, a few different personas of people who would potentially use this. And initially I was thinking a little more about both in house, people who, you know, someone who’s working on a specific brand, digging really deep on their own brand, whether they’re, you know, the marketing lead or whatever, maybe they’re the founder, and then this other role of agency owners, or people who work at an agency where they are constantly having to look at new brands, new categories, and quickly get up to speed on what those brands are doing and what’s the competitive space look like, you know, for that brand. And that’s something that, if you work at an agency, which obviously we both have our own agencies, we do this stuff weekly. I mean, every time a new lead comes in, we have to quickly get up to speed and understand something about what they do. And one of the big gaps that I found, and I’d be curious to kind of hear your thoughts on this, but I’ve had a lot of conversations with other agency owners, and I think one of the biggest gaps is often that brands are just not always that great at explaining their own brand or positioning or differentiation to you, and sometimes they have some documentation around it, but a lot of times they don’t. A lot of it’s word of mouth, and that makes it really hard to do work for them. If whatever you’re doing for them, whether that’s maybe you are working on SEO or maybe you’re working on paid ads or social or content, you have to know what the brand is doing and kind of what they’re again, what their strengths and weaknesses are, so that you can talk about that. I mean, do you come across that a lot in your work? Christian Klepp  07:33 How do I say this without offending anybody? I find, I mean jokes aside, I find, more often than not, in the especially in the B2B space, which is an area that I operate in, I find 888 point five times out of 10. We are dealing with companies that have a they, have a very rude, rudimentary, like, framework of something that remotely resembles some form of branding. And I know that was a very long winded answer, but it’s kind of sort of there, but not really, if you know what I mean. Clay Ostrom  08:17 Yeah. Christian Klepp  08:17 And there have been other extreme cases where they’ve got the logo and the website, and that’s as far as their branding goals. And I would say that had they had all these, this discipline, like branding system and structure in place, then people like maybe people like you and I will be out on a job, right and it’s something, and I’m sure you’ve come across this, and we’ll probably dig into this later, but like you, it’s something I’ve come across several times, especially in the B2B space, where branding is not taken seriously until it becomes serious. I know that sounds super ironic, right, but, and it’s to the point of this platform, right, which we’re going to dig into in a second, but it’s, it’s things, for instance, positioning right, like, are you? Are you, in fact, strategically positioned against competitors? Is your messaging resonating with, I would imagine, especially in the B2B context, with the multiple group target groups that you have, or that your company is, is going after? Right? Is that resonating, or is this all like something that I call the internal high five? You’ve this has all been developed to please internal stakeholders and and then you take it to market, and it just does not, it just does not resonate with the target audience at all. Right? So there’s such a complex plethora of challenges here, right? That people like yourself and like you and I are constantly dealing with, and I think that’s also part of the reason why I would say a platform like this is important, because it helps to not just aggregate data. I mean, certainly it does that too, but it helps. To put things properly, like into perspective at speed. I think that might be, that might be something that you would have talked about later, but it does this at speed, because I think, from my own experience, one of the factors in our world that sometimes works against us is time, right? Clay Ostrom  10:19 No, I totally agree, yeah, and, you know, we’re lucky, I guess would be the word that we are often hired to work on a company strategy with them and help them clarify these things. Christian Klepp  10:33 Absolutely. Clay Ostrom  10:34 There are a million other flavors of agencies out there who are being hired to execute on work for a brand, and not necessarily being brought in to redefine, you know what the brand, you know they’re positioning and their messaging and some of these fundamental things, so they’re kind of stuck with whatever they get. And like you said, a lot of times it’s not much. It might be a logo and a roughly put together website, and maybe not a whole lot else. So, yeah, but I think your other point about speed is that was a huge part of this. I think the market is only accelerating right now, because it’s becoming so much easier to start up new companies and new brands and new products. And now we’ve got vibe coding, so you can technically build a product in a day, maybe launch it the next day, start marketing it, you know, by the weekend. And all of this is creating noise and competition, and it’s all stuff that we have to deal with as marketers. We have to understand the landscape. We’ve got to quickly be able to analyze all these different brands, see where the strengths and weaknesses are and all that stuff. So… Christian Klepp  11:46 Absolutely. Clay Ostrom  11:46 But, yeah, that, I think that the speed piece is a huge part of this for sure. Christian Klepp  11:51 Yeah. So, so we’re okay, so we’re on the I guess this, this will probably be the homepage. So just walk us through what, what a marketing person would do if they want to use this platform, yeah? Clay Ostrom  12:00 So the very first thing you do when you come in, and this was when I initially conceived of this product, one of the things that I really wanted was the ability to have very quick feedback, be able to get analysis for whatever brand you’re looking at, you know, right away to be able to get some kind of, you know, insight or analysis done. So the first thing you can do, and you can do this literally, from the homepage of the website, you can enter in a URL for a brand, come into the product, even before you’ve created an account, you can come in and you can do an initial analysis, so you can put in whatever URL you’re looking at, could be yours, could be a competitor, and run that initial analysis. What we’re looking at here, this is, if you do create an account, this is, this becomes your, as we say, like Home Base, where you can save brands that you’re looking at. You can see your history, all that good stuff. And it just gives you some quick bookmarks so that you can kind of flip back and forth between, maybe it’s your brand, maybe it’s some of the competitors you’re looking at and then it gives you just some quick, kind of high level directional info. And I kind of break it up into these different buckets. Clay Ostrom  13:23 And again, I’d love to kind of hear if this is sort of how you think about it, too. But there’s sort of these different phases when you’re working on a brand. And again, this is sort of from an agency perspective, but you first got the sort of the research and the pitch piece. So this is before maybe you’re even working with them. You’re trying to get an understanding of what they do. Then we have discovery and onboarding, where we’re digging in a little bit deeper. We’re trying to really put together, what does the brand stand for, what are their strengths and weaknesses? And then we have the deeper dive, the strategy and differentiation. And this is where we’re really going in and getting more granular with the specific value points that they offer, doing some of that messaging analysis, finding, finding some of the gaps of the things that they’re talking about or not talking about, and going in deeper. So it kind of break it up into these buckets, based on my experience of how we engage with clients. Does that? Does that make sense to you, like, does that? Christian Klepp  14:28 It does make sense, I think. But what could be helpful for the audience is because this, this almost looks like it’s a pre cooked meal. All right, so what do we do we try another I mean, I think you use Slack for the analysis. Why don’t we use another brand, and then just pop it into that analysis field, and then see what it comes out with. Clay Ostrom  14:51 So the nice thing about this is, if you are looking at a brand that’s been analyzed, you’re going to get the data up really quickly. It’ll be basically pop up instantly. But you can analyze a brand from scratch as well. Just takes about a minute or so, basically, to kind of do some of the analysis. So for the sake of a demo, it’s a little easier just to kind of look at something that we’ve got in there. But if it’s a brand that you know, maybe you’re looking at a competitor for one of your brands, you know, there’s a good chance, because we’ve got about 6000 brands that we’ve analyzed in here, that there’s a good chance there’ll be some info on them. But so this is pipe drive. So whoever’s not familiar Pipedrive is, you know, it’s a CRM  (Customer Relationship Management), it’s, it’s basically, you know, it’s a lighter version of a HubSpot or Salesforce basically track deals and opportunities for business, but this so I flipped over. I don’t know if it was clear there, but I flipped over to this brand brief tab. And this is where we we get, essentially, a high level view of some key points about the brand and and I think about this as this would be something that you would potentially share with a client if you were, you know, working with them and you wanted to review the brand with them and make sure that your analysis is on point, but you’ll see it’s kind of giving you some positioning scores, where you rank from a category perspective, message clarity, and then we’ve got things like a quick overview, positioning summary, who their target persona is, in this case, sales manager, sales operation lead, and some different value points. And then it starts to get a little more granular. We get into like key competitors, Challenger brands. We do a little SWOT (Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, and Threats) analysis, and then maybe one of the more important parts is some of these action items. So what do we do with this? Yeah, and obviously, these are, these are starting points. This is not, it’s not going to come in and, you know, instantly be able to tell you strategically, exactly what to do, but it’s going to give you some ideas of based on the things we’ve seen. Here are some reasonable points that you might want to be looking at to, you know, improve the brand. Make it make it stronger. Christian Klepp  17:13 Gotcha. Gotcha. Now, this is all great clay, but like, I think, for the benefit of the audience, can we scroll back up, please. And let’s just walk through these one by one, because I think it’s important for the audience/potential future users,/ customers of Smoke Ladder, right? To understand, to understand this analysis in greater depth, and also, like, specifically, like, let’s start with a positioning score right, like, out of 100 like, what is this? What is this based on? And how was this analyzed? Let’s start with that. Clay Ostrom  17:48 Yeah, and this is where the platform really started. And I’m going to actually jump over to the positioning tab, because this will give us the all the detail around this particular feature. But this is, this was where I began the product this. I kind of think of this as being, in many ways, sort of the heart and soul of it. And when I mentioned earlier about this being based on our own work and frameworks and how we approach this, this is very much the case with this. This is, you know, the approach we use with the product is exactly how we work with clients when we’re evaluating their positioning. And it’s, it’s basically, it’s built off a series of scores. And what we have here are 24 different points of business value, which, if we zoom in just a little bit down here, we can see things like reducing risk, vision, lowering cost, variety, expertise, stability, etc. So there’s 24 of these that we look at, and it’s meant to be a way that we can look across different brands and compare and contrast them. So it’s creating, like, a consistent way of looking at brands, even if they’re not in the same category, or, you know, have slightly different operating models, etc. But what we do is we go in and we score every brand on each of these 24 points. And if we scroll down here a little bit, we can see the point of value, the exact score they got, the category average, so how it compares against, you know, all the other brands we’ve analyzed, and then a little bit of qualitative information about why they got the score. Christian Klepp  19:27 Sorry, Clay, Can I just jump in for a second so these, these attributes, or these key values that you had in the graph at the top right, like, are these consistent throughout regardless of what brand is being analyzed, or the least change. Clay Ostrom  19:42 It’s consistent. Christian Klepp  19:43 Consistent? Clay Ostrom  19:44 Yeah, and that was one of the sort of strategic decisions we had to make with the product. Was, you know, there’s a, maybe another version of this, where you do different points depending on maybe the category, or, you know, things like that. But I wanted to do it consistent because, again, it allows us to look at every brand through the same lens. It doesn’t mean that every brand you know there are certain points of value that just aren’t maybe relevant for a particular brand, and that’s fine, they just won’t score as highly in those but at least it gives us a consistent way to look at so when you’re looking at 10 different competitors, you know you’ve got a consistent way to look at them together,. Christian Klepp  20:26 Right, right, right. Okay, okay, all right, thanks for that. Now let’s go down to the next section there, where you’ve got, like this table with like four different columns here. So you mentioned that these are being scored against other brands in their category. Like, can you share it with the audience? Like, how many other brands are being analyzed here? Clay Ostrom  20:51 Yeah, well, it depends on the category. So again, we’ve got six, you know, heading towards 7000 brands that we’ve analyzed collectively. Each category varies a little bit, but, you know, some categories, we have more brands than others. But what this allows us to do is, again, to quickly look at this and say, okay, for pipe drive, a big focus for pipe drive is organization, simplification. You know, one of their big value props is we’re an easier tool to use than Salesforce or HubSpot. You can get up to speed really quickly. You don’t have all the setup and configurations and all that kind of stuff. So this is showing us that, yes, like their messaging, their content, their brand, does, in fact, do a good job of making it clear that simplicity is a big part of pipe drive’s message. And they do that by talking about it a lot in their messaging, having case studies, having testimonials, all these things that support it. And that’s how we come up with these scores. Is by saying, like the brand emphasizes these points well, they talk about it clearly, and that’s what we base it on. Christian Klepp  22:04 Okay, okay. Clay Ostrom  22:06 But as you come, I was just gonna say as you come down here, you can see, so the green basically means that they score well above average for that particular point. Yellow is, you know, kind of right around average, or maybe slightly above, and then red means that they’re below average for that particular point. So for example, like variety of tools, they don’t emphasize that as much with pipe drive, maybe compared to, again, like a Salesforce or a HubSpot that has a gazillion tools, pipe drive, that’s not a big focus for them. So they don’t score as highly there, but you can kind of just get a quick view of, okay, here are the things that they’re really strong with, and here are the things that maybe they’re, you know, kind of weak or below average. Christian Klepp  22:58 Yeah, yeah. Well, that’s certainly interesting, because I, you know, I’ve, I’ve used the, I’ve used the platform for analyzing some of my clients, competitor brands. And, you know, when I’m looking at this, like analysis with the scoring, with the scoring sheet, it, I think it will also be interesting perhaps in future, because you’ve got a very detailed breakdown of, okay, the factors and how they’re scored, and what the brand value analysis is also, because, again, in the interest of speed and time, it’d be great if the platform can also churn out maybe a one to two sentence like, summary of what is this data telling us, right? Because I’m thinking back to my early days as a product manager, and we would spend hours, like back then on Excel spreadsheets. I’m dating myself a little bit here, but um, and coming up with this analysis and charts, but presenting that to senior management, all they wanted to know was the one to two sentence summary of like, come on. What are you telling me with all these charts, like, what is the data telling you that we need to know? Right? Clay Ostrom  24:07 I know it’s so funny. We again, as strategists and researchers, we love to nerd out about the granular details, but you’re right. When you’re talking to a leader at a business, it does come down to like, okay, great. What do we do? And so, and I flipped back over to slacks. I knew I had already generated this but, but we’re still in the positioning section here, but we have this get insights feature. So basically it will look at all those scores and give you kind of, I think, similar to what you’re describing. Like, here’s three takeaways from what we’re seeing. Okay, okay, great, yeah, so we don’t want to leave you totally on your own to have to figure it all out. We’ll give you, give you a little helping hand. Christian Klepp  24:53 Yeah. You don’t want to be like in those western movies, you’re on your own kid. Clay Ostrom  24:59 Yeah. We try not to strand you again. There’s a lot of data here. I think that’s one of the strengths and and challenges with the platform, is that we try to give you a lot of data. And for some people, you may not want to have to sift through all of it. You might want just sort of give me the three points here. Christian Klepp  25:19 Absolutely, absolutely. And at the very least they can start pointing you in the right direction, and then you could be, you could then, like, through your own initiative, and perhaps dig a little bit deeper and perhaps find some other insights that may be, may be relevant, right? Clay Ostrom  25:35 Totally. Christian Klepp  25:36 Hey, it’s Christian Klepp here. We’ll get back to the episode in a second. But first, I’d like to tell you about a new series that we’re launching on our show. As the B2B landscape evolves, marketers need to adapt and leverage the latest marketing tools and software to become more efficient. Enter B2B Marketers on a Mission Marketing Demo Lab where experts discuss the latest tools and software that empower you to become a better B2B marketer. Tune in as we chat with product experts. Provide unbiased product reviews, give advice and deliver insights into real world applications and actionable tips on tools and technologies for B2B marketing. Subscribe to the Marketing Demo Lab, YouTube channel and B2B Marketers on a Mission, on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your favorite podcasts. Christian Klepp  26:21 All right. Now, back to the show, if we can, if we could jump back, sorry, to the, I think it was the brand brief, right? Like, where we where we started out, and I said, let’s, let’s dig deeper. Okay, so then, then we have, okay, so we talked about positioning score. Now we’re moving on to category rank and message clarity score. What does that look like? Clay Ostrom  26:41 Yeah. So the category rank is, it’s literally just looking at the positioning score that you’ve gotten for the brand and then telling you within this category, where do you sort of fall in the ranking, essentially, or, like, you know, how do we, you know, for comparing the score against all the competitors, where do you fall? So you can see, with Slack, they’re right in the middle. And it’s interesting, because with a product like Slack, even though we all now know what slack is and what it does and everything. Christian Klepp  27:18 Yeah. Clay Ostrom  27:19 The actual messaging and content that they have now, I think maybe doesn’t do as good of a job as it maybe did once upon a time, and it’s gotten as products grow and brands grow, they tend to get more vague, a little more broad with what they talk about, and that kind of leads to softer positioning. So that’s sort of what we’re seeing reflected here. And then the third score is the message clarity score, which we can jump into, like, a whole different piece. Christian Klepp  27:48 Four on a tennis not a very high score, right? Clay Ostrom  27:52 Yeah. And again, I think it’s a product, of, we can kind of jump into that section. Christian Klepp  27:57 Yeah, let’s do that, yeah. Clay Ostrom  27:59 But it’s, again, a product, I think of Slack being now a very mature product that is has gotten sort of a little vague, maybe a little broader, with their messaging. But the message clarity score, we basically have kind of two parts to this on the left hand side are some insights that we gather based on the messaging. So what’s your category, quick synopsis of the product. But then we also do some things, like… Christian Klepp  28:33 Confusing part the most confusing. Clay Ostrom  28:36 Honestly to me, as I get I’d love to hear your experience with this, but coming into a new brand, this is sometimes one of the most enlightening parts, because it shows me quickly where some gaps in what we’re talking about, and in this case, just kind of hits on what we were just saying a minute ago. Of the messaging is overloaded with generic productivity buzzwords, fails to clearly differentiate how Slack is better than email or similar tools, etc. But also, this is another one that I really like, and I use this all the time, which is the casual description. So rather than this technical garbage jargon, you know, speak, just give me. Give it to me in plain English, like we’re just chatting. And so this description of it’s a workplace chat app for teams to message, collaborate, share files. Like, okay, cool. Like, yeah, you know, I get it. Yeah, I already know what slack is. But if I didn’t, that would tell me pretty well. Christian Klepp  29:33 Absolutely, yeah, yeah. No, my experience with this is has been, you know, you and I have been in the branding space for a while. So for the trained eye, when you look at messaging, you’ll know if it’s good or not, right. And we come I mean, I’m sure you do the same clay, but I also come to my own like conclusions based on experience of like, okay, so why do I think that that’s good messaging, or why do I think that that’s confusing messaging? Or it falls short, and why and how can that be improved? But it’s always good to have validation with either with platforms like this, where you have a you have AI, or you have, you have a software that you can use that analyzes, like, for example, like the messaging on a website, and it dissects that and says, Well, okay, so this is what they’re getting, right? So there’s a scoring for that, so it’s in the green, and then this is, this is where it gets confusing, right? So even you run that through, you run that through the machine, and the machine analyzes it as like, Okay, we can’t clearly, clearly define what it is they’re doing based on the messaging, right? And for me, that’s always a it’s good. It’s almost like getting a second doctor’s opinion, right? And then you go, Aha. So I we’ve identified the symptoms now. So let’s find the penicillin, right? Like, let’s find the remedy for this, right? Clay Ostrom  30:56 Yeah, well, and I like what you said there, because part of the value, I think, with this is it’s an objective perspective on the brand, so it doesn’t have any baggage. It’s coming in with fresh eyes, the same way a new customer would come into your website, where they don’t know really much about you, and they have to just take what you’re giving at face value about what you present. And we as people working on brands get completely blinded around what’s actually working, what’s being communicated. There’s so much that we take for granted about what we already know about the brand. And this comes in and just says, Okay, I’m just, I’m just taking what you give me, and I’m going to tell you what I see, and I see some gaps around some of these things. You know, I don’t have the benefit of sitting in your weekly stand up meeting and hearing all the descriptions of what you’re actually doing. Christian Klepp  31:59 I’m sorry to jump in. I’m interested to know, like, just, just based on what we’ve been reviewing so far, like, what has your experience been showing this kind of analysis to clients, and how do they respond to some of this data, for example, that you know, you’re walking us through right now? Clay Ostrom  32:18 Yeah, I think it’s been interesting. Honestly, I think it can sometimes feel harsh. And I think again, as someone who’s both run an agency and also built worked on brands, we get attached to our work on an emotional level. Christian Klepp  32:42 Absolutely. Clay Ostrom  32:42 Even if we think about it as, you know, this is just work, and it’s, you know, whatever, we still build up connections with our work and we want it to be good. And so I think there’s sometimes a little bit of a feeling of wow, like that’s harsh, or I would have expected or thought we would have done better or scored better in certain areas, but that is almost always followed up with but I’m so glad to know where, where we’re struggling, because now I can fix it. I can actually know what to focus on to fix, and that, to me, is what it’s all about, is, yes, there’s a little bit of feelings attached to some of these things, maybe, but at the end of the day, we really want it to be good. We want it to be clear. We don’t want to be a 4 out of 10. We want to be a 10 out of 10. And what specifically do we need to do to get there? And that’s really what we’re trying to reveal with this. So I think, you know, everybody’s a little different, but I would say the reactions are typically a mix of that. It’s like, maybe an ouch, but a Oh, good. Let’s work on it. Christian Klepp  33:55 Absolutely, absolutely. Okay. So we’ve got brand summary, we’ve got fundamentals, then quality of messaging is the other part of it, right? Clay Ostrom  34:02 So, yeah, so this, this is, this is where the actual 4 out of 10 comes. We have these 10 points that we look at and we say, Okay, are you communicating these things clearly? Are you communicating who your target customer is, your category, your offering, where you’re differentiated benefits? Do you have any kind of concrete claim about what you do to support you know what you’re what you’re selling? Is the messaging engaging? Is it concise? You’ll see here a 7% on concise. That’s basically telling us that virtually no brands do a good job of being concise. Only about 7% get a green check mark on this, and kind of similar with the jargon and the vague words big struggle points with almost every brand. Christian Klepp  34:55 Streamline collaboration. Clay Ostrom  34:58 So we can see here with Slack. You know some of the jargon we got, KPIs (Key Performance Indicators), MQLs (Marketing Qualified Lead), if you’re in the space, you could argue like, oh, I kind of know what those things are. But depending on your role, you may not always know. In something like Salesforce marketing cloud, unless you’re a real Salesforce nerd, you probably have no idea what that is. But again, it’s just a way to quickly identify some of those weak points, things that we could improve to make our message more clear. Christian Klepp  35:27 Yes, yes. Okay, so that was the messaging analysis correct? Clay Ostrom  35:33 Yeah. Christian Klepp  35:33 Yeah. Okay. So what else have we got? Clay Ostrom  35:36 Yeah, so I think one other thing we could look at just for a sec, is differentiation, and this is this kind of plays off of what we looked at a minute ago with the positioning scores. But this is a way for us to look head to head with two different brands. So in this case, we’ve got Slack in the red and we’ve got Discord in the greenish blue. And I think of these, these patterns, as sort of the fingerprint of your brand. So where you Where are you strong? Where are you weak? And if we can overlay those two fingerprints on top of each other, we can see, where do we have advantages, and where does our competitor have advantages? So if we come down, we can sort of see, and this is again, for the nerds like me, to be able to come in and go deep, do kind of a deep dive on specifically, why did, why does Discord score better than Slack in certain areas. And at the bottom here we can see a kind of a quick summary. So slack is stronger in simplification, saving time, Discord has some better messaging around generating revenue, lowering costs, marketability. But again, this gives us a way to think about what are the things we want to double down on? So what do we want to actually be known for in the market? Because we can’t be known for everything. You know, buyers can maybe only remember a couple things about us. What are those couple things where we’re really strong, where we really stand out, and we’ve got some separation from the competitors. Christian Klepp  37:18 Right, okay, okay, just maybe we take a step back here, because I think this is great. It’s very detailed. It gets a bit granular, but I think it’s also going back to a conversation that you and I had previously about, like, Okay, why is it so important to be armed with this knowledge, especially if you’re in the marketing role, or perhaps even an agency talking to a potential client going in there already armed with the information about their competitors. And we were talking about this being a kind of like a trust building mechanism, right? For lack of a better description, right? Clay Ostrom  38:03 Yeah, I think to me, what I like about this, and again, this does come out of 10 years of doing work, this kind of work with clients as well, is it’s so easy to fall into a space of soft descriptions around things like positioning and just sort of using vague, you know, wordings or descriptions, and when you can actually put a number on it, which, again, it’s subjective. This isn’t. This isn’t an objective metric, but it’s a way for us to compare and contrast. It allows us to have much more productive conversations with clients, where we can say we looked at your brand, we we what based on our analysis, we see that you’re scoring a 10 and a 9 on simplicity and organization, for example. Is that accurate to you like do you think that’s what you all are emphasizing the most? Does that? Does that resonate and at the same time, we can say, but your competitors are really focused on there. They have a strong, strong message around generating revenue and lowering costs for their customers. Right now, you’re not really talking about that. Is that accurate? Is that like, what you is that strategically, is that what you think you should be doing so really quickly, I’ve now framed a conversation that could have been very loose and kind of, you know, well, what do you think your strategy is about? What do you know? And instead, I can say, we see you being strong in these three points. We see your competitors being strong in these three points. What do you think about that? And I think that kind of clarity just makes the work so much more productive with clients, or just again, working on your own brand internally. So what do you think about that kind of perspective? Christian Klepp  40:08 Yeah, no, no, I definitely agree with that. It’s always and I’ve been that type of person anyway that you know you go into a especially with somebody that hasn’t quite become a client yet, right? One of the most important things is also, how should I put this? Certainly the trust building part of it needs to be there. The other part is definitely a demonstration of competence and ability, but it’s also that you’ve been proactive and done your homework, versus like, Okay, I’m I’m just here as an order taker, right? And let’s just tell me what to do, and I’ll do it right? A lot and especially, I think this has been a trend for a long time already, but a lot of the clients that I’ve worked with now in the past, they want to, they’re looking for a partner that’s not just thinking with them, it’s someone that’s thinking ahead of them. And this type of work, you know what we’re seeing here on screen, this is the type of work that I would consider thinking ahead of them, right? Clay Ostrom  41:18 No, I agree. I think you framed that really well. Of we’re trying to build trust, because if we’re going to make any kind of recommendations around a change or a shift, they have to believe that we know what we’re talking about, that we’re competent, that we’ve done the work. And I think I agree with you. I think like this, it’s kind of funny, like we all, I think, on some base level, are attracted to numbers and scores. It just gives us something to latch on to. But I think it also, like you said, it gives you a feeling that you’ve done your work, that you’ve done your homework, you’ve studied, you’ve you’ve done some analysis that they themselves may have never done on this level. And that’s a big value. Christian Klepp  42:08 Yes, and a big part of the reason just to, just to build on what you said, a big part of the reason why they haven’t done this type of work is because it’s not so much. The cost is certainly one part of it, but it’s the time, it’s a time factor and the resource and the effort that needs to be put into it. Because, you know, like, tell me if you’ve never heard this one before, but there are some, there are some companies that we’ve been working with that don’t actually have a clearly, like, you know, a clear document on who their their target personas are, yeah, or their or their ICPs, never mind the buyer’s journey map. They don’t, they don’t even have the personas mapped out, right? Clay Ostrom  42:52 100% Yeah, it’s, and it’s, I think you’re right. It’s, it’s a mix of time and it’s a mix of just experience where, if you are internal with a brand, you don’t do this kind of work all the time. You might do it at the beginning. Maybe you do a check in every once in a while, but you need someone who’s done this a lot with a lot of different brands so that they can give you guidance through this kind of framework. But so it’s, you know, so some of it is a mix of, you know, we don’t have the time always to dig in like this. But some of it is we don’t even know how to do it, even if we did have the time. So it’s hopefully giving, again, providing some different frameworks and different ways of looking at it. Christian Klepp  43:41 Absolutely, absolutely. So okay, so we’ve gone through. What is it now, the competitor comparison. What else does the platform provide us that the listeners and the audience should be paying attention to here? Clay Ostrom  43:55 So I’ll show you two more quick things. So one is this message building section. So this is… Christian Klepp  44:03 Are you trying to put me out of a job here Clay? Clay Ostrom  44:07 Well, I’ll say this. So far in my experience with this, it’s not going to put us out of a job, but it is going to hopefully make our job easier and better. It’s going to make us better at the work we do. And that’s really, I think that’s, I think that’s kind of, most people’s impression of AI at this point is that it’s not quite there to replace us, but it’s sure, certainly can enhance what we do. Christian Klepp  44:36 Yeah, you’ll excuse me, I couldn’t help but throw that one out. Clay Ostrom  44:38 Yeah, I know, trust me, I’m this. It’s like I’m building a product that, in a sense, is undercutting, you know, the work that I do. So it is kind of a weird thing, but this message building section, which is a new part of the platform. It will come in, and you can see on the right hand side. And there’s sort of a quick summary of all these different elements that we’ve already analyzed. And then it’s going to give you some generated copy ideas, including, if I zoom in a little bit here, we’ve got an eyebrow category. This is again for Slack. It’s giving us a headline idea, stay informed without endless emails. Sub headline call to action, three challenges that your customers are facing, and then three points about your solution that help address those for customers. So it’s certainly not writing all of your copy for you, but if you’re starting from scratch, or you’re working on something new, or even if you’re trying to refresh a brand. I think this can be helpful to give you some messaging that’s hopefully clear. That’s something that I think a lot of messaging misses, especially in B2B, it’s, it’s not always super clear, like what you even do. Christian Klepp  45:56 Don’t get me started. Clay Ostrom  45:59 So hopefully it’s clear. It’s, you know, again, it’s giving you some different ideas. And that you’ll see down here at the bottom, you can, you can iterate on this. So we’ve got several versions. You can actually come in and, you know, you can edit it yourself. So if you say, like, well, I like that, but not quite that, you know, I can, you know, get my human touch on it as well. But yeah, so it’s a place to iterate on message. Christian Klepp  46:25 You can kind of look at it like, let’s say, if you’re writing a blog article, and this will give you the outline, right? Yeah. And then most of the AI that I’ve worked with to generate outlines, they’re not quite there. But again, if you’re starting from zero and you want to go from zero to 100 Well, that’ll, that’ll at least get you to 40 or 50, right? But I’m curious to know, because we’re looking at this now, and I think this, I mean, for me, this is, this is fascinating, but, like, maybe, maybe this will be part of your next iteration. But will this, will this generate messaging that’s already SEO optimized. Clay Ostrom  47:02 You know, it’s not specifically geared towards that, but I would say that it ends up being maybe more optimized than a lot of other messaging because it puts such an emphasis on clarity, it naturally includes words and phrases that I think are commonly used in the space more so than you know, maybe just kind of typical off the shelf Big B2B messaging, Christian Klepp  47:27 Gotcha. I had a question on the target persona that you’ve got here on screen, right? So how does the platform generate the information that will then populate that field because, and when I’m just trying to think about like, you know, because I’ve been, I’ve been in the space for as long as you have, and the way that I’ve generated target personas in the past was not by making a wild guess about, like, you know, looking at the brand’s website. It’s like having conducting deep customer research and listening to hours and hours of recordings, and from there, generating a persona. And this has done it in seconds. So… Clay Ostrom  48:09 Yeah, it’s so the way the system works in a couple different layers. So it does an initial analysis, where it does positioning, messaging analysis and category analysis, then you can generate the persona on top of that. So it takes all the learnings that it got from the category, from the product, from your messaging, and then develops a persona around that. And it’s, of course, able to also pull in, you know, the AI is able to reference things that it knows about the space in general. But I have found, and this is true. I was just having a conversation with someone who works on a very niche brand for a very specific audience, and I was showing him what it had output. And I said, Tell me, like, Don’t hold back. Like, is this accurate? He said, Yeah, this is, like, shockingly accurate for you know, how we view our target customer. So I think it’s pretty good. It’s not again, not going to be perfect. You’re going to need to do some work, and you still got to do the research, but, but, yeah. Christian Klepp  49:13 Okay, fantastic, fantastic. How do, I guess there’s the option, I see it there, like, download the PDF. So anything that’s analyzed on the platform can then be exported in a PDF format, right? Like, like, into a report. Clay Ostrom  49:28 Yeah, right now you can export the messaging analysis, or, sorry, the the messaging ideation that you’ve done, and then in the brand brief you can also, you can download a PDF of the brand brief as well. So, those are the two main areas. I’m still working on some additional exports of data so that people can pull it into a spreadsheet and do some other stuff with it. Christian Klepp  49:49 Fantastic, fantastic. That’s awesome, Clay. I’ve got a couple more questions before I let you go. But this has been, this has been amazing, right? Like and I really hope that whoever’s in the one listening and, most importantly, watching this, I hope that you really do consider like, you know, taking this for a test drive, right? How many I might have asked you this before, because, you know, I am somebody that does use, you know, that does a lot of this type of research. But how much time would you say companies would save by using Smoke Ladder? Clay Ostrom  50:24 It’s a good question. I feel like I’m starting to get some feedback around that with from our users, but I mean, for me personally, I would typically spend an hour or two just to get kind of up to speed initially, with a brand and kind of look at some of their competitors. If I’m doing a deep dive, though, if I’m actually doing some of the deeper research work, it could be several hours per client. So I don’t know. On a given week, it might depend on how many clients you’re talking to. Could be anywhere from a few hours to 10 hours or more, depending on how much work you’re doing. But, yeah, I think it’s a decent amount. Christian Klepp  51:07 Absolutely, absolutely. I mean, this definitely does look like a time saver. Here comes my favorite question, which you’re gonna look at me like, Okay, I gotta, I gotta. Clay Ostrom  51:17 Now bring it on. Let’s go. Christian Klepp  51:22 Folks that are not familiar with Smoke Ladder are gonna look at this, um, and before they actually, um, take it upon themselves to, like, watch, hopefully, watch this video on our channel. Um, they’re gonna look at that and ask themselves, Well, what is it that Smoke Ladder does that? You know that other AI couldn’t do, right, like, so I guess what I’m trying to say is, like, Okay, why would they use? How does the platform differ from something like ChatGPT, Perplexity or Claude, right? To run a brand analysis? Clay Ostrom  52:00 Yeah, no, I think it’s a great question. I think it’s sort of the it’s going to be the eternal AI question for every product that has an AI component. And I would say to me, it’s three things. So one is the data, which we talked about, and I didn’t show you this earlier, but there is a search capability in here to go through our full archive of all the brands we’ve analyzed, and again, we’ve analyzed over 6000 brands. So the data piece is really important here, because it means we’re not just giving you insights and analysis based on the brand that you’re looking at now, but we can compare and contrast against all the other brands that we’ve looked at in the space, and that’s something that you’re not going to get by just using some off the shelf standard LLM  (Large Language Model) and doing some, you know, some quick prompts with that. The next one, I think, to me that’s important is it’s the point of view of the product and the brand. Like I said, this is built off of 10 plus years of doing positioning and messaging work in the space. So you’re getting to tap into that expertise and that approach of how we do things and building frameworks that make this work easier and more productive that you wouldn’t get, or you wouldn’t know, just on your own. And then the last one, the last point, which is sort of the kind of like the generic software answer, is you get a visual interface for this stuff. It’s the difference between using QuickBooks versus a spreadsheet. You can do a lot of the same stuff that you do in QuickBooks and a spreadsheet, but wouldn’t you rather have a nice interface and some easy buttons to click that make your job way, way easier and do a lot of the work for you and also be able to present it in a way that’s digestible and something you could share with clients? So the visual component in the UI is sort of that last piece. Christian Klepp  54:01 Absolutely. I mean, it’s almost like UX and UI one on one. That’s, that’s pretty much like a big part of, I think what it is you’re trying to build here, right? Clay Ostrom  54:13 Yeah, exactly. It’s just it’s making all of those things that you might do in an LLM just way, way easier. You know, you basically come in, put in your URL and click a button, and you’re getting access to all the data and all the insights and all this stuff so. Christian Klepp  54:29 Absolutely, absolutely okay. And as we wrap this up, this has been a fantastic conversation, by the way, how can the audience start using Smoke Ladder, and how can they get in touch with you if they have questions, and hopefully good questions. Clay Ostrom  54:47 Yeah, so you can, if you go to https://smokeladder.com/ you can, you can try it out. Like I said, you can basically go to the homepage, put in a URL and get started. You don’t even have to create an account to do the initial analysis. But you can create FREE account. You can dig in and see, you know, play around with all the features, and if you use it more, you know, we give you a little bit of a trial period. And if you use it beyond that, then you can pay and continue to use it, but, but you can get a really good flavor of it for free. Christian Klepp  55:16 Fantastic, fantastic. Oh, last question, because, you know, it’s looking me right in the face now, industry categories. How many? How many categories can be analyzed on the platform? Clay Ostrom  55:26 Yeah, yeah. So right now, we have 23 categories in the system currently, which sounds like a lot, but when you start to dig into especially B2B, it’s we will be evolving that and continuing to add more, but currently, there’s 23 different categories of businesses in there. Christian Klepp  55:46 All right, fantastic, fantastic. Clay, man. This has been so awesome. Thank you so much for your time and for your patience and walking us through this, this incredible platform that you’ve built and continue to build. And you know, I’m excited to continue using this as it evolves. Clay Ostrom  56:06 Thank you. Yeah, no. Thanks so much. And you know, if anybody, you know, anybody who tries it out, tests it out, please feel free to reach out. We have, you know, contact info on there. You can also hit me up on LinkedIn. I spend a lot of time there, but I would love feedback, love getting notes, love hearing what’s working, what’s not, all those things. So yeah, anytime I’m always open. Christian Klepp  56:30 All right, fantastic. Once again, Clay, thanks for your time. Take care, stay safe and talk to you soon. Clay Ostrom  56:36 Thanks so much. Talk to you soon. Christian Klepp  56:37 All right. Bye for now.

#309 Product Positioning | This episode is from a Drive 2025 (our annual Exit Five event) session with April Dunford (Founder, Ambient Strategy). April pulls from working with 300+ tech companies to unpack the real patterns behind winning positioning from calling out competitors' nonsense to teaching buyers what actually matters, avoiding category-creation traps, and fixing the sales messes that weak positioning creates. It's sharp, funny, brutally honest, and basically a crash course in how to make your product unmistakably different in a market full of noise.PS. Want to join us at Drive 2026?Head over to exitfive.com/drive to join the waitlist for Drive 2026 and be the first to know when tickets go on sale.Timestamps(00:00) - – Why Positioning Breaks (03:20) - – Teaching Buyers to Spot Competitor BS (06:48) - – Turning Differentiators into Real Value (10:26) - – The Trap of Overthinking Categories (14:13) - – Choosing Your Go-To-Market Before Your Positioning (18:50) - – Building a Story Only You Can Tell (23:18) - – When Great Storytelling Backfires (28:53) - – Positioning Multi-Product Companies (32:34) - – When and Why to Reposition (36:22) - – Bringing It All Together in Sales Join 50,0000 people who get our Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterLearn more about Exit Five's private marketing community: https://www.exitfive.com/***Today's episode is brought to you by Knak.Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time.It's the only way you can truly “own” your audience.But when it comes to building the emails - if you've ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That's why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks.Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak.Tired of ‘hoping' the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first.Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak.And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time.See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five. Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more

B2B Marketers are feeling the impact of changes to LinkedIn Company Pages in 2025. Declining reach, falling engagement, confused stakeholders, and pressure to “just make the Page work.”In this episode, Michelle J Raymond sits down with Zoe Bermant to break down what every B2B marketer needs to know for 2026 on how LinkedIn really works and the new strategies that actually drive visibility, followers, and results.If you manage a LinkedIn Company Page or support one as part of your B2B marketing strategy, this is your essential playbook for the year ahead.Key moments in this episode - 00:00 Guest Intro - Zoe Bermant03:19 The Decline of Company Page Reach04:54 Strategies to Navigate Reduced Reach05:44 The Role of LinkedIn Premium06:23 The Importance of Organic Content and Boosting08:59 LinkedIn Company Pages Premium: Features and Benefits28:49 Challenges and Solutions for Social Media Managers35:32 Final ThoughtsConnect with Zoe Bermant on LinkedInCONNECT WITH MICHELLE J RAYMOND Michelle J Raymond on LinkedIn Book a free intro call https://socialmediaforb2bgrowthpodcast.com/ B2B Growth Co newsletterToday's episode is sponsored by Metricool. Make sure to register for a FREE Metricool account today. Use Code MICHELLE30 to try any Premium Plan FREE for 30 days. https://metricool.com/michellejraymond/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=influencer&utm_campaign=20251202_michelle-raymond_dec-premium_en&utm_content=audio&utm_term=q3

Sparrow automates employee leave management—a compliance nightmare that consumes thousands of HR hours annually at companies with distributed workforces. With $64 million in total funding through their recent Series B, Sparrow has achieved 14x revenue growth between their Series A and Series B by solving what became an "insurmountable problem" as states, counties, and cities each passed conflicting paid leave regulations over the past decade. In this episode of BUILDERS, Deborah Hanus shares how she scaled from $1.2 million in her first year while running everything part-time by discovering that the path to enterprise adoption wasn't solving employee frustration—it was quantifying the hidden costs of compliance risk, payroll errors, and retention that director-level HR leaders were desperately trying to contain. Topics Discussed: The regulatory explosion that made leave management unsolvable in-house: overlapping federal, state, county, and city requirements across distributed teams How Sparrow pivoted from a $50-per-leave consumer product to enterprise software after discovering director-level buyers saw a fundamentally different problem than employees Why Sparrow's biggest competitor is internal management rather than other vendors, and how this shaped their entire go-to-market strategy The 4-10x ROI framework: how preventing paperwork errors that cost customers $1 million+ justifies $100K platform investments Scaling from founder-led sales with zero sales background through systematic hiring processes—including reaching out to 100+ candidates for their first sales hire Customer qualification strategy: vetting prospects not just for current pain, but for alignment with the product roadmap 2-3 years forward   GTM Lessons For B2B Founders: Map pain perception across org levels to find economic buyers: Employees experienced leave management as "taking me a lot of time"—roughly 20 hours of taxes-level complicated paperwork. Director-level HR leaders, CFOs, and employment lawyers saw something entirely different: retention problems from employees leaving after bad leave experiences, litigation risk from compliance gaps across jurisdictions, thousands spent on employment lawyers for each leave event, and payroll calculation errors when state programs cover partial wages. Deborah's initial consumer product hypothesis failed because employees would only pay TurboTax pricing (~$50), requiring massive volume. The enterprise motion succeeded because strategic buyers owned the full cost stack. Map how pain manifests at each organizational level, then build your ICP around whoever owns the aggregate business impact rather than the tactical workflow friction. Build ROI models around error prevention, not efficiency gains: Sparrow doesn't sell time savings—they sell payroll accuracy. Their typical customer sees 4-10x financial ROI because the platform prevents mistakes that cost significantly more than the subscription. When paperwork is filed incorrectly, employees miss 60-70% of pay for 12-20 weeks, and with 70% of Americans living paycheck-to-paycheck, employers often make up the difference to prevent attrition. A $100K Sparrow investment typically saves $1M+ in payroll corrections alone, before counting the thousands in hours HR spends with employment lawyers for each leave event. Calculate the true cost of the status quo—including error correction, compliance penalties, and retention impact—not just the labor hours your product eliminates. Design qualification frameworks for roadmap fit, not just current pain: Deborah emphasizes that "everyone has this problem, but not everyone is going to be a fit for the product today and where it's going to be two years from now." Sparrow deliberately vets whether prospects will be excited about their product evolution 3-4 years forward, not just whether they have leave management pain today. This drives retention and customer advocacy as capabilities expand. Build qualification criteria that assess prospect-product alignment across the entire customer lifecycle—including future module adoption, integration depth, and use case expansion—rather than optimizing only for closing deals on current functionality. Treat hiring as systematic sourcing, not urgent gap-filling: Despite being in "back-to-back calls all day" unable to "send order forms fast enough," Deborah took time to reach out to approximately 100 candidates to make their first sales hire. She emphasizes defining what each role should accomplish 5-10 years out, then building sourcing strategies to achieve 50% confidence in that long-term outcome. This intentional approach—coupled with her value of "scaling intentionally"—enabled efficient growth without typical scaling chaos. Resist the startup default of "just hire someone fast." Instead, invest upfront in role definition (including the 5-year trajectory), source systematically rather than opportunistically, and accept lower short-term velocity for higher long-term scaling efficiency. Recognize emotional volatility as statistical artifact, not signal: Deborah reframes the classic startup "highs and lows" through a data science lens: with sparse early data, founders overfit to individual signals. One person saying "your product is stupid" triggers existential doubt; one saying "everyone should use it" creates irrational exuberance. As companies scale and data accumulates, the noise averages out—70% neutral-to-good outcomes with 30% fires becomes manageable rather than anxiety-inducing. She found scaling "much easier than that first year" because "you can sort of plot out your trend line and you can see where you're going." Build systems to accumulate data points faster (more customer conversations, more experiments, more leading indicators), recognize that early-stage emotional swings reflect sample size rather than reality, and make decisions based on trend lines rather than individual data points. // Sponsors: Front Lines — We help B2B tech companies launch, manage, and grow podcasts that drive demand, awareness, and thought leadership. www.FrontLines.io The Global Talent Co. — We help tech startups find, vet, hire, pay, and retain amazing marketing talent that costs 50-70% less than the US & Europe. www.GlobalTalent.co // Don't Miss: New Podcast Series — How I Hire Senior GTM leaders share the tactical hiring frameworks they use to build winning revenue teams. 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Send us a textIn this episode we interview Matt Dornfeld, Global AI Go-To-Market Lead at Commerce, about using workflow automation and large language models to personalize webinars from registration to recap. He and host Ben Ard walk through the exact systems he uses to turn a “standard” webinar into a tailored experience that actually drives action. What you'll learn in this episode:How to build dynamic registration forms that change questions based on who is signing upSimple ways to enrich attendee data so you know who they are and what they care about before they joinHow to send pre-webinar content that feels handcrafted for each segment, not copied and pastedTactics for using LLMs to route questions, draft replies, and power smart follow ups at scaleIdeas for breaking your webinar into focused breakout rooms so B2B and B2C attendees each get relevant discussionsHow to treat every click, chat message, and breakout as a signal that guides sales outreachA lightweight tech stack Matt actually uses: forms, workflow automation tools, and an enterprise LLM setupWhy “getting your data house in order” matters before you plug AI into your revenue engine

Looking for B2B advertising on our podcast for the coffee industry: support@mapitforward.org or DM us here https://www.instagram.com/mapitforward.coffee/••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••This is episode four of a 5-part podcast series on The Daily Coffee Pro Podcast by Map It Forward, hosted by Lee Safar and featuring returning guest Carley Garner.Carley is a commodity broker and the founder of US-based commodity brokerage firm, DeCarley Trading.In this series, Lee and Carley discuss the coffee futures market in 2025 and 2026.No information in this series is financial advice and trading comes at the risk of losing money.The five episodes of this series are:1. 2025 Has Been An Unusual Year in Coffee Futures - https://youtu.be/fuyIL1PJjN82. The Forces That Moved Coffee Futures in 2025 - https://youtu.be/7-I7iduViAQ3. Taking Advantages of High Coffee Prices Outside the Cash Market - https://youtu.be/djwdbraAi2w4. Speculators Are Important To The Coffee Futures Market - https://youtu.be/K_Z6lny-wsI5. Coffee Futures Markets in 2026 - https://youtu.be/TG_TUCwi7eAIn this episode of the podcast series, Lee and Carley discuss the crucial role of speculators in the coffee futures market. Discover how speculators provide liquidity, affect pricing, and why their participation can prevent market volatility. Learn about the significant challenges coffee farmers face, such as high interest rates on agricultural loans and the generational knowledge gap in hedging tools. Understand the vital connection between speculators and traders, and how the industry's dynamics may impact coffee production in the years ahead.Connect with Carley and DeCarley Trading at:https://www.decarleytrading.comhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/carleygarner/https://www.instagram.com/decarleytrading/https://decarleytrading.substack.com/https://www.decarleytrading.com/learn-to-trade-commodities••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••Connect with Map It Forward here: Website | Instagram | Mailing list

When a team member quoted the host's own content back to him—"focus on one thing, use one metric"—it would have actually been counterproductive. This episode clarifies a critical nuance that changes everything: yes, focus on ONE constraint (the biggest problem blocking your business), but measure it with at least TWO competing metrics. Why? Because single metrics get gamed, even unintentionally. Focus only on close rate? Sales reps start disqualifying opportunities. Only track appointments set? You get garbage meetings with terrible show rates. Only measure YouTube followers? You end up with 100,000 subscribers and 3 views per video. Learn how to identify your true constraint, why diluting efforts across multiple initiatives kills velocity, and how to set up balanced metrics that actually move your business forward instead of just moving numbers on a dashboard.//Welcome to Repeatable Revenue, hosted by strategic growth advisor , Ray J. Green.About Ray:→ Former Managing Director of National Small & Midsize Business at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, where he doubled revenue per sale in fundraising, led the first increase in SMB membership, co-built a national Mid-Market sales channel, and more.→ Former CEO operator for several investor groups where he led turnarounds of recently acquired small businesses.→ Current founder of MSP Sales Partners, where we currently help IT companies scale sales: www.MSPSalesPartners.com→ Current Sales & Sales Management Expert in Residence at the world's largest IT business mastermind.→ Current Managing Partner of Repeatable Revenue Ventures, where we scale B2B companies we have equity in: www.RayJGreen.com//Follow Ray on:YouTube | LinkedIn | Facebook | Twitter | Instagram

Our conversation with  Dan Jaenicke, Director of B2B Strategy for MacPaw, starts out with how CleanMyMac for Business is evolving to serve SMB and enterprise customers. Dan discusses patch and policy management, security and compliance challenges, fast deployment with tools like Jamf, preserving a friendly Mac-native interface, and how customer feedback and a new Mac admin survey are shaping the future of the product.  This edition of MacVoices is brought to you by the MacVoices Dispatch, our weekly newsletter that keeps you up-to-date on any and all MacVoices-related information. Subscribe today and don't miss a thing. Show Notes: Chapters: [0:00] Setting the stage: MacPaw, B2B strategy, and enterprise focus [0:30] Introducing Dan Jänicke and his new role in B2B marketing [2:00] Launch of CleanMyMac business and early customer feedback [2:55] Consumer vs. B2B pain points and why enterprises are different [3:32] Fleet visibility, device health, and compliance needs at scale [6:01] Patch management as a key differentiator in the business product [7:22] Roadmap for group policies and staged rollouts for IT admins [8:44] Security expectations in enterprise environments [10:07] Fragmented policies across roles, departments, and access levels [11:55] Moving from SMB and mid-market into true enterprise capabilities [15:17] Competing with MDMs by focusing on simplicity and differentiation [17:21] Logistics of deploying to 1,000 devices and Jamf integration [20:08] Why quick, hours-level rollout is a competitive advantage [22:05] Complexity vs. usability in security and compliance tools [22:46] Preserving CleanMyMac's visual design and enjoyable UX for admins [24:08] Balancing simplicity with the depth enterprises demand [26:44] Design philosophy: making maintenance pleasant, not painful [27:53] Rising cyberattacks on SMBs and why every business is a target [29:05] Using Moonlock, patching, and good practices to reduce attack surface [31:07] Hidden costs of breaches for smaller organizations [33:24] Listening to customers and iterating the product weekly [33:38] Upcoming Mac admin survey and why MacPaw wants feedback [36:06] Being part of the Apple community, not just marketing to it [37:04] Closing thoughts, invitation to contact Dan, and future ambitions [38:02] Outro, support options, and how to stay connected Links: CleanMyMac CleanMyMac Business Guests: Dan Jaenicke is a seasoned Product Leader with over a decade of experience solving user challenges, leading global and local teams, and partnering with executive leadership to build impactful B2B and B2C SaaS products.  He has driven initiatives behind products launched in more than 125 countries, reaching over 50 million active users and 45,000+ paying businesses, and generating hundreds of millions in revenue.  Before joining MacPaw, Dan served as Director of Product Management at GoodRx. As MacPaw's Director of B2B Product Strategy, he now leads solutions such as CleanMyMac Business, driving innovation and growth across the company's business offerings. Support:      Become a MacVoices Patron on Patreon      http://patreon.com/macvoices      Enjoy this episode? Make a one-time donation with PayPal Connect:      Web:      http://macvoices.com      Twitter:      http://www.twitter.com/chuckjoiner      http://www.twitter.com/macvoices      Mastodon:      https://mastodon.cloud/@chuckjoiner      Facebook:      http://www.facebook.com/chuck.joiner      MacVoices Page on Facebook:      http://www.facebook.com/macvoices/      MacVoices Group on Facebook:      http://www.facebook.com/groups/macvoice      LinkedIn:      https://www.linkedin.com/in/chuckjoiner/      Instagram:      https://www.instagram.com/chuckjoiner/ Subscribe:      Audio in iTunes      Video in iTunes      Subscribe manually via iTunes or any podcatcher:      Audio: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesrss      Video: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesvideorss

Why B2B Marketers Hesitate to Choose an AI Tool and How to Move Forward with ConfidenceIn this episode, Donna Peterson talks about the real fears many B2B marketers face when thinking about using AI tools and large language models. She explains why choosing an AI tool can feel overwhelming and why many industrial brands, executive education programs, and companies with long sales cycles hesitate to get started.Donna highlights three concerns she hears most often:• Not knowing which large language model to choose• Worrying that AI will harm personal relationships• Feeling unsure about learning what seems like a new technologyShe explains that tools like ChatGPT, Gemini, and Copilot all work in similar ways, and the key is understanding how to guide them. Donna reinforces that AI should not replace personal connection. Instead, it should give marketers more time to build trust by handling routine tasks in the background.Listeners will learn how large language models respond to clear direction, why “garbage in, garbage out” still applies, and how to start using AI safely without risking their brand voice. Donna also discusses the increasing interest in AI agents and why companies need to understand LLMs before creating customized agents for different departments.The episode includes simple steps B2B teams can take to start using AI immediately, along with practical guidance for industrial marketers who want to use AI without losing the human touch that builds long-term relationships.These insights support marketers looking for clarity on how to start with AI, how to protect their brand voice, and how to use AI tools responsibly in B2B marketing.Episode Chapters:00:00 Introduction and Purpose00:56 Common Fears of B2B Brands Using AI01:29 Choosing the Right AI Tool02:38 Overcoming the Fear of Learning New Technology03:23 Maintaining Personal Connections with AI05:20 Deep Dive into Large Language Models06:19 The Importance of AI Training in Corporations08:01 The Role of AI Agents in Business10:38 Practical Tips for Using AI Effectively14:38 The Risks of Relying Solely on Software Platforms19:29 Final Thoughts and EncouragementIf you found this episode helpful, please subscribe and rate the show. Your support helps us reach more B2B professionals and continue our mission to inspire success.We do Individual & Team Training as well as Speaking Engagements. See contact details below. *** Reach out to dpeterson@worldinnovators.comif you'd like help building a marketing strategy that builds relationships and/or AI training for individuals or full teams. *** Visit www.worldinnovators.comfor more resources on building stronger marketing and leadership strategies. *** Subscribe to the B2B Marketing Excellence & AI Podcast for weekly insights into marketing, leadership, and the future of AI.

While there are now some notable Latin American “Unicorns,” the region has lagged behind others when it comes to developing a venture economy. Then still, within Latin America, Colombia has until recently punched below its weight in attracting venture dollars. This may be changing now, and some intrepid Venture Capital firms are betting on Colombian talent and the country's technology infrastructure to produce results.Htwenty Capital is one of those early stage venture firms. During a recent event organized by the City of Medellín's investment promotion agency, ACI Medellín, Loren Moss, executive editor of Finance Colombia and Cognitive Business News was able to spend some time with the investment fund's Platform Lead, Jimena Cortés to discuss the unique challenges—and opportunities that Colombia presents when it comes to funding and growing high potential startups.Read the full article on Finance Colombia: Jimena Cortés Shares Why HTwenty Capital is Placing Venture Bets in Colombia Despite Unique ChallengesSubscribe to Finance Colombia for free: https://www.fcsubscribe.com/Read more at Cognitive Business News: https://cognitivebusiness.news/More about Loren Moss: https://lorenmoss.com/writeContact us: https://unidodigital.media/contact-un...Read more at Finance Colombia: https://www.financecolombia.com/ Subscribe to Finance Colombia for free: https://www.fcsubscribe.com/ Read more at Cognitive Business News: https://cognitivebusiness.news/ The place for bilingual talent! https://empleobilingue.com/ More about Loren Moss: https://lorenmoss.com/write Contact us: https://unidodigital.media/contact-unido-digital-llc/

Novelist Michael Cafferky talks about his new Christian novel, On The Brink, the story of a Christian businessperson's challenge to live out his faith in the marketplace.  ***********************************************************************         Dave Kahle is a B2B sales expert and a Christian Business thought leader.  He has authored 13 books, presented in 47 states and 11 countries and worked with over 500 sales organizations.  In these ten-minute podcasts, his unique blend of out-of-the-box thinking and practical insights will challenge and enable you to sell better, lead better and live better.        Subscribe to these ten-minute helpings of out-of-the-box inspiration, education and motivation. WWW,DaveKahle.com Dave's Substack page  Subscribe to Dave's Newsletters

This Week In Startups is made possible by:LinkedIn Ads - http://linkedin.com/thisweekinstartupsVanta - https://www.vanta.com/twistPilot - https://pilot.com/twistToday's show: Did you know there's actually a shortage of US bricklayers? It's TRUE! So feel free to marvel at Monumental's brick-laying robots. They're not putting anyone out of work, but filling a much-needed gap.Join Alex and Monumental founder/CEO Salar al Khafaji for a deep-dive on how the startup is making construction robots play nice together by maintaining separate “zones” of operation, why Salar thinks startups need to focus on truly complex, real-world problems to truly blossom, and the secrets of fundraising in Europe.PLUS Alex chats with Seasats CEO Mike Flanigan about designing the next generation of autonomous marine crafts. (That is to say, ocean drones.) From their home base in San Diego, the company is trying to get completely independent of all Chinese parts. Find out how it's going, how they're overcoming the “wildly negative” ROI on maritime tech, and why we have so few defenses against tiny, agile drones.All that AND Jason takes some of YOUR Founder Questions.Timestamps:(03:23) How Monumental determined what kinds of robots construction sites need the most(06:49) How maintaining “zones” ensure that the robots all play nice with one another(07:52) There's a shortage of bricklayers, so Monumental's NOT taking anyone's job(9:16) LinkedIn Ads: Start converting your B2B audience into high quality leads today. Launch your first campaign and get $250 FREE when you spend at least $250. Go to http://linkedin.com/thisweekinstartups to claim your credit.(13:21) Why startups need to tackle large-scale, complex, real-world problems to really grow(15:44) Why Monumental is building in The Netherlands, and running pilots in the UK(19:07) Vanta - Get $1000 off your SOC 2 at https://www.vanta.com/twist(20:44) Why construction is unique among applications for automation and robots(26:01) Salar argues that fundraising in Europe is not as hard as you may have heard(27:55) We don't just need housing, we need BEAUTIFUL housing(31:11) Pilot - Visit https://www.pilot.com/twist and get $1,200 off your first year. (33:25) How the Scout autonomous boat challenge inspired Seasats(35:28) Trying to make drones into an “iPhone Style” project(37:39) Why Seasats is focused on endurance and staying power more than launches(39:15) The complexities of working with fuel cells(42:27) The importance of beautiful design even when working on government technology(45:51) Why they're building Seasats in beautiful San Diego, CA(47:29) The challenge of getting entirely free from Chinese components(53:52) “The Power of Small Things Has Changed”(55:18) The “wildly negative” ROI on most humanoid robotics companies also applies to maritime tech(59:09) Why there are so few defense nets against people with tiny but agile drones(01:02:32) FOUNDER Q's: Is a founder working 24/7 a red flag?(01:10:11) How bad is it to use VC money to pay off credit cards?(01:12:49) A look at Cursor's unique recruitment strategy.(01:19:57) Should young VCs go to startup conferences?Subscribe to the TWiST500 newsletter: https://ticker.thisweekinstartups.com/Check out the TWIST500: https://twist500.comSubscribe to This Week in Startups on Apple: https://rb.gy/v19fcp*Follow Lon:X: https://x.com/lons*Follow Alex:X: https://x.com/alexLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexwilhelm/*Thank you to our partners:(9:16) LinkedIn Ads: Start converting your B2B audience into high quality leads today. Launch your first campaign and get $250 FREE when you spend at least $250. Go to http://linkedin.com/thisweekinstartups to claim your credit.(19:07) Vanta - Get $1000 off your SOC 2 at https://www.vanta.com/twist(31:11) Pilot - Visit https://www.pilot.com/twist and get $1,200 off your first year.

A new House report confirms the Biden Administration's coordinated, extralegal "Operation Chokepoint 2.0" to debank the crypto industry. We review the timeline & confirmed shadow debanking conspiracies We discuss the bombshell report from the House Committee on Financial Services that confirms the existence of **Operation Chokepoint 2.0**—a coordinated, extralegal effort by the Biden Administration to push the crypto industry out of the US banking system. Review Nic Carter's original exposes, how the "conspiracy" became formal documentation, and the shift from an existential threat to a clearer path for conducting business in the United States. We also discuss the political "reckoning" ahead for the industry's single-issue campaign spending. Subscribe to the newsletter! https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.com **Notes:** * House report confirms debanking conspiracy. * Extralegal effort to cut crypto banking. * Nick Carter published OCP 2.0 exposes. * Existential risk to US crypto is not near-term. * Crypto actively supported Trump's campaign. * "Single issue PAC" raised biggest money ever. Timestamps: 00:00 Start 01:25 Chokepoint 1.0 04:08 Regulation as maze 07:14 FDIC letter 11:06 Charlie gets de-banked 13:12 Fed letter SR226 -

Today's guest is Ralph Bianculli, Founder/CEO of Emerald Ecovations. On episode 308 of The Green Insider, we discussed a number of items ranging from the journey to the finished product. Ralph described Ecovations’ journey in developing alternative materials for disposables, now producing over 370 finished goods. They control raw materials, convert them into products, and provide ESG reporting analytics to clients. Ralph noted that Scope 3 ESG reporting is challenging but valuable for sustainability goals, and Mike praised their impact on sustainable supply chains. Emerald Ecovations’ takes a circular economic approach: commissioning farmers to grow fibers like Miscanthus and using byproducts (e.g., bagasse) to create sustainable materials. Their licensing program allows manufacturers to use these materials for private labeling, supporting middle-market manufacturers and rural economies. They offer both raw materials and technology licensing. Their products are used in 370 finished goods across industries, organized into five product groupings following the 80-20 consumption rule. The broadline product is designed for high-velocity B2B consumption, aiding efficient inventory turns. The Miscanthus product, which retains four times its weight in water, is expanding into new markets like pet bedding and landscaping. Ralph highlighted Miscanthus as a versatile crop: grows 7-8 feet tall, harvested twice a year, replenishes soil nutrients, and thrives in a wide temperature range. It's the first such material launched in the U.S., with potential as a main material alongside bagasse and hemp. Learn about the launching of a tree-free packaging division for retail brands next year, emphasizing non-toxic and compostable features. They are in discussions with the EPA and Department of Agriculture about carbon credits, which could become valuable assets. Plans include expanding into packaging, landscaping, pet bedding, and attracting more talent. To be an Insider Please subscribe to The Green Insider powered by ERENEWABLE wherever you get your podcast from and remember to leave us a five-star rating. This podcast is sponsored by UTSI International. To learn more about our sponsor or ask about being a sponsor, contact ERENEWABLE and the Green Insider Podcast. The post Ecovations’ Sustainable Materials Evolution appeared first on eRENEWABLE.

If your revenue has stalled despite strong demand, this playbook shows how numbers, systems, and leadership, not bigger ad spend, restart explosive growth. In this episode of Sharkpreneur, Seth Greene interviews Karl Maier, Founder of Abunden, an experienced CEO and business advisor who has played a key role in doubling sales at 5 companies in just 2 years. In this conversation, Maier explains how installing a 13-week cash forecast, building repeatable operating systems, and developing leaders unlock capacity so growth sticks. He also shares his Abundant Framework, insights from his book Surfing Economic Chaos, and what actually changes when you scale from $10M to $100M. Key Takeaways: → Why growth stalls after early success, and how shifting from heroics to repeatable systems and delegation restarts momentum. → The 13-week cash flow cadence: a simple weekly forecast that prevents surprises and fuels confident decisions. → When marketing isn't the first lever: fix finance, ops capacity, and delivery so sales gains don't break the machine. → “Every time you double, everything breaks”—what to upgrade (process, tools, roles) before pressing the gas. → The hardest part of $100M isn't spreadsheets, it's people, alignment, and leadership bench strength. Karl Maier is the founder of Abunden, where he helps CEOs transition from survival mode to achieving predictable, profitable growth. Specializing in energy-related companies, Karl turns financial blind spots into powerful growth engines, guiding both organic and acquisition-led expansion. He has extensive experience in private equity, family office roles, and capital raises, including supporting a $10M fracking water cleaning project and raising debt and equity for a $192 million EV private equity acquisition. Karl's expertise spans mergers and acquisitions (M&A), including buy-side support for international expansions and a $45 million B2B distribution company. He has also been instrumental in turnaround situations, such as guiding a healthcare services company to 40% growth and helping a coffee company pivot to hand sanitizer during COVID, generating $400K in just five months. With global CFO experience, Karl has led teams across Europe, the Middle East, Australia, and Asia. Connect With Karl Maier: Website: https://abunden.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/karlkmaier/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Aujourd'hui, je vous retrouve pour une nouvelle leçon du mercredi, un format où j'aide l'un d'entre vous à avancer concrètement dans son projet.Et cette semaine, je reçois Winter Joseph, entrepreneur dans l'immobilier depuis 7 ans, qui relance un nouveau réseau d'affaires… après en avoir déjà monté un premier.Son défi :

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training What if growth doesn't make things easier but actually just raises the stakes? Agency life looks glamorous from the outside, but the real growth usually starts in the messy middle. Today's featured guest just wanted to build something of her own, but quickly learned that growth means the challenges get harder, instead of easier, and that your client and team retention will always be the best measures of success, since it means you've managed to build a business that has a real impact on clients and a culture people never want to leave. She'll share the pressure she felt as the agency got bigger, how she learned to celebrate the little wins, and how she built a culture that has truly worked as a strategic advantage. Elyse Lupin is the president and founder of Elysium Marketing Group, a full-service agency specializing in food and franchise marketing. With more than a decade of running the business, she has scaled from a new mom charging a thousand bucks for her first client to leading a well known, franchise-focused marketing team recognized for expertise, execution, and a culture clients genuinely enjoy working with. In this episode, we'll discuss: Why growth gets harder as your agency scales. 2 metrics that actually predict agency success. How culture became her agency's competitive advantage. The importance of letting go instead of babysitting tasks. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. How Mentoring Can Be the Push You Need Elyse started her agency during what most people would consider the absolute worst time to make a career change. She had a newborn, a mortgage, and a job that drained her every morning as she left her child in daycare. That friction reached a breaking point. A mentor tossed out traditional job options, but Elyse surprised even herself when she said, "I just want to start my own thing." Instead of talking her out of it, that mentor became her first client. It's one of those decisions you look back on and realize how thin the line is between staying stuck and building something you love. In the early days, she charged way too little, as nearly all agency owners do for those first engagements. But like she said, ignorance can be a gift. When you are early and scrappy, you move fast and celebrate every small win because you have no idea what's coming next. Why Growth Gets Harder, Not Easier After eleven years, Elyse said she was shocked by how the difficulty of running an agency evolves. Things do get easier in some ways, but each stage comes with a new complexity level. As the agency grew, so did the pressure to hire better people, keep up quality, retain clients, and juggle new demands that never existed in the early days. You go from hands-on fulfillment to team building to culture shaping to visionary leadership. Each level is a different skill set and none of it is simple. Scaling is not a victory lap. It is a longer, more strategic version of the same game you started with: solve the next problem without losing momentum. For Elyse, it's all about stopping to celebrate the little wins and let herself enjoy watching her team crush new challenges. 2 Metrics That Predict Agency Success: Client and Team Retention A lot of agency owners fall into the trap of measuring success by employee count or top line revenue. Elyse prefers to track retention. She considers it far more meaningful. Clients only stick around if they are getting results and some of her clients have been with her agency since the beginning. Employee retention matters just as much, because no amount of growth means anything if the team delivering the work is burning out or bailing. Even during COVID, when most of their food clients disappeared overnight, Elyse's agency found a way to pivot into B2B, protect the team, and still grow. Not at the same pace, but still upward. That speaks to culture, resilience, and leadership. In the end, what really matters is how happy you are in the business, whether or not your team is happy, and how profitable the business actually is. These are the things that will guarantee you stay in business and not start to resent it. How Culture Becomes an Agency's Competitive Advantage Elyse's agency has a spirit week. costume day. concert tshirt day. team jersey day. They joke about team members hearing her excitement through the office walls. But behind the fun is something serious. A happy team performs better, stays longer, and delivers higher quality work. She also implemented rituals that reinforce positivity and growth. Every Friday on remote days, they kick off with Wins of the Week. Team members spotlight others who went above and beyond, which forces everyone to pause and recognize progress. Then there is Elysium Advancement, a bi-weekly internal training where someone teaches a new AI tool or system. It keeps the whole agency sharp without overwhelming everyone with the nonstop flood of new tech. Finding the Balance Between a Remote and In-Person Team Elyse's agency is in office Monday through Thursday and remote on Fridays. She believes their productivity is higher together, especially since half the business is design focused. Instead of 15 email threads, they solve problems in 30 second conversations. Some teams thrive remote. Others thrive together. The important thing is knowing which one your agency needs. For them, an in-person environment helps them move faster and design better. Letting Go: Building Leaders Instead of Babysitting Tasks Most agency founders struggle with this. Elyse has built three strong department heads who now own their areas. Sure, she still has a hand in more than she probably should, but the structure is finally allowing her to think bigger instead of babysitting tasks. She also knows what her team would tell her to stop doing. Being too loud in the office. Which, as problems go, is one of the funnier ones. The Power of Picking a Niche Years ago, Elyse heard this very podcast's advice about niching down and resisted it. Like most agency owners, she felt her client base was too broad to narrow down. After COVID, she finally made the leap and put a stake in the ground around franchise marketing. She got her Certified Franchise Executive credential, doubled down on franchising events, and made franchise marketing a core part of the brand. And the decision paid off immediately. Franchise systems want a partner who understands their world, their FDDs, their local store marketing needs, and their complexity. Her agency became that partner. And with that clarity came authority, opportunity, and recognition. Niching did not reduce her client pool. It strengthened her position and made her easier to hire. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Databox is an easy-to-use Analytics Platform for growing businesses. We make it easy to centralize and view your entire company's marketing, sales, revenue, and product data in one place, so you always know how you're performing. Learn More About DataboxSubscribe to our newsletter for episode summaries, benchmark data, and moreMost marketers are told: “Tie your plan to revenue.” But how?In this fast-paced live episode, Sam Kuehnle (VP of Marketing at Loxo) breaks down a practical, no-fluff process for building a marketing plan that earns buy-in from leadership, aligns with sales, and actually hits targets.No vanity metrics. No fake forecasts. Just real talk on what's working, what's not — and how to plan smarter.In this episode, you'll learn:How to calculate marketing's share of company revenue goalsWhat “bottoms-up” and “top-down” planning really look likeWhy most funnels leak at the demo-to-meeting stageHow to avoid wasting budget on channels you haven't proven yetThe spreadsheet Sam uses to model all of thisThis is your playbook if you're tired of MQL theater and want to lead with strategy, not guesswork.

Shannon Howard is Senior Director of Customer & Content Marketing at Intellum. Intellum is AI transformation for enterprise learning. $25M in funding, 139 people.Here's what we cover:05:35 Shannon shares some Creative Customer Marketing Strategies08:41 Building the Foundation for Customer Marketing11:09 The Role of Data in Customer Marketing14:00 Surprise and Delight16:49 Empowering Customers Through Recognition19:57 Segmentation and Personalization in Marketing22:33 B2B vs B2C Marketing Dynamics26:28 Why Customer Marketing is often overlooked by CMOs30:00 Customer Marketing Strategies to put in your back pocket33:17 The Role of Customer Research & Shannon's take37:12 The Impact of AI on Customer Insights50:38 Shannon asks Anna her burning questionShannon on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/shannonlagassehowardIntellum: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.intellum.comSubscribe to Building With Buyers on Apple or Spotify or wherever you like to listen, let me know what episodes you're into, and don't forget to leave a review if you're lovin' the show.Music by my talented daughter.Anna on LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠linkedin.com/in/annafurmanov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠furmanovmarketing.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Newsletter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠One Insight

Can B2B events be fun, creative, and strategic? Absolutely. In this episode, Camille Arnold sits down with Gracie Bulleit from Pendo and Laura Lilley from Hootsuite to discuss how event marketers can strike the perfect balance between creating engaging brand moments and achieving measurable results. They share the strategies that elevated their event programs, including gamification, hands-on experiences, and community engagement that drive real business impact.Tune in to learn:Creative strategies that make brand events unforgettable without a big budgetPractical tips for demonstrating the value of your events to leadershipLessons learned from some of the most innovative event programs in the industryEpisode outline:(00:00) Meet Gracie Bulleit and Laura Lilley(03:52) Brand vibes in B2B events(08:07) Design events that are attendee-first, not agenda-first(13:19) Event success metrics beyond lead volume(19:57) Post-event reporting cadence(21:39) How gamification can drive engagement(24:57) Target the right audience with tailored experiences (35:49) How to balance creativity and business goals___________________________________________________________________If you enjoyed today's episode, let us know. Support our show by subscribing and leaving us a rating. If you would like to get in touch with our team or be a guest on our show, please email us at podcast@splashthat.com. We'd love to hear from you.Learn more about Splash: https://www.splashthat.comFollow Splash on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/splashthat-comTell us what you thought about the episode

In this episode, we speak with Phil Dur, Co-Founder & Managing Partner of PeakSpan Capital, a leading growth equity firm focused exclusively on high-growth B2B software companies. Founded in 2015, PeakSpan manages $2.5 billion in assets and has a team of 24 investment professionals across its San Mateo and New York City offices. The firm has supported 54 software businesses, completed 19 full and partial exits, and raised approximately $1.9 billion in capital commitments, with each fund significantly oversubscribed. Before co-founding PeakSpan, Phil spent a decade at Investor Growth Capital, where he led software investing, and previously worked at Morgan Stanley Venture Partners and Morgan Stanley Capital Partners in technology investing roles. He is a graduate of Princeton University and the Stanford Graduate School of Business, and served as an officer in the U.S. Army Reserve for seven years. Phil was recently recognized as a Top Software Investor of 2025 by GrowthCap, and PeakSpan was named a Top Private Equity Firm of 2025. I am your host, RJ Lumba. We hope you enjoy the show. If you like the episode, click to follow.  

In this episode of Future Finance, hosts Paul Barnhurst and Glenn Hopper are joined by systems and finance transformation expert Cindy Vindasius to explore why so many ERP implementations fail, and what companies can do to fix that. They discuss the often-overlooked groundwork needed before selecting a system or deploying AI tools, and why jumping straight to automation without strong data and processes is a recipe for chaos. Whether you're planning an ERP rollout or modernizing finance operations, this conversation is packed with practical guidance for long-term success.Cindy Vindasius is a CPA and MBA with over 30 years of experience guiding high-growth technology and manufacturing companies through complex ERP, finance transformation, and AI-readiness initiatives. As the founder of Vindasius Advisory, she has led 12 ERP implementations, 8 IPO and M&A, and numerous SOX compliance projects. Her clients include industry leaders such as Tesla, Apple, 23andMe, and TenX. Through her ERP Preparedness Master Workshop and executive advisory programs, Cindy helps CFOs and CIOs align systems and processes for scale, resilience, and efficiency.In this episode, you will discover:Why 70% of ERP implementations fail and how to avoid common misstepsWhat ERP readiness really means, and why it's often overlookedHow AI-native ERPs compare to legacy systems in real-world implementationsWhy scalable data governance and documented processes are essentialHow Cindy's ERP Preparedness Master Workshop helps teams succeedThis episode highlights the often-missed foundations of ERP and AI success: preparation, clarity, and scalability. Cindy Vindasius shares the roadmap finance leaders need to transform systems from a source of chaos into a driver of growth.Join hosts Glenn and Paul as they unravel the complexities of AI in finance.AI Readiness Assessment: Take the free 3-minute AI Readiness Assessment to clearly identify your strengths and weaknesses across Finance and Operations: https://cindy-tooq6nwx.scoreapp.com/AI First Vendor Evaluation Checklist:Evaluate smarter and avoid costly mistakes with this AI First Vendor Evaluation Checklist packed with key criteria: https://www.vindasius.com/opt-inFollow Cindy:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cindy-vindasius/Website: https://www.vindasius.comFollow Glenn:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gbhopperiiiFollow Paul:LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/thefpandaguyFollow QFlow.AI:Website - https://bit.ly/4i1EkjgFuture Finance is sponsored by QFlow.ai, the strategic finance platform solving the toughest part of planning and analysis: B2B revenue. Align sales, marketing, and finance, speed up decision-making, and lock in accountability with QFlow.ai. Stay tuned for a deeper understanding of how AI is shaping the future of finance and what

Today, we welcome Travis Rogers, director & assistant general counsel on the Business Law team at Allstate—and a returning guest from our very first AI virtual roundtable. For over a decade, Travis has been at the forefront of innovation and legal strategy in the financial services and tech sectors. At Allstate, he has built cross-functional legal teams that seamlessly integrate with product and business development, negotiated strategic B2B partnerships, and advised on complex issues around data, privacy, AI, and emerging technologies. In our conversation, Travis shares the story of how he joined Allstate and how design thinking shapes his approach to legal work. We also discuss fostering an innovation mindset, the role of curiosity in leadership, and how Travis is reimagining lawyer training for the future. Read the full transcript of today's episode here: https://www.seyfarth.com/dir_docs/podcast_transcripts/Pioneers_TravisRogers.pdf

In this episode, Chris Cornelison, bestselling author, leadership expert, and founder of SolutionsRx, joins host Brendon Dennewill to unpack how leadership, clear processes, and focused adoption of AI can transform company culture and performance. They trace Chris's journey from inheriting a one-location pharmacy to building multi-site businesses, developing the Super Culture Framework, and helping organizations balance accountability, joy, and measurable results.The conversation centers on practical implementation: short, living documents (one-year vision, culture rules, position agreements), coaching, and using closed AI to turn processes into prompts that scale repeatable excellence. Chris shows how clarity (“clear is kind”), emotional intelligence, and data scraping with closed-AI tools accelerate onboarding, surface buried opportunities in your CRM, and make teams more productive without bloating headcount. This episode is essential listening for RevOps professionals, revenue leaders, franchise operators, and B2B growth teams who want to combine people-first leadership with pragmatic tech adoption to improve retention, speed up onboarding, and drive predictable growth.What You'll LearnKey elements of the Super Culture Framework and how it can transform your workplace.Practical steps to start building a super culture in your organization.Understand the importance of having a clear vision and structured processes in business.Explore how AI is being integrated into business strategies to enhance efficiency and culture.Gain insights into overcoming business challenges and achieving sustainable growth.Resources MentionedSuper Culture Book / Framework: Use code REVOPS for 25% off when purchasing through Chris's website: www.chriscornelison.comSolutionsRxCerebro EOS The Leading Brain Positive IntelligenceIs your business ready to scale? Take the Growth Readiness Score to find out. In 5 minutes, you'll see: Benchmark data showing how you stack up to other organizations A clear view of your operational maturity Whether your business is ready to scale (and what to do next if it's not) Let's Connect Subscribe to the RevOps Champions Newsletter LinkedIn YouTube Explore the show at revopschampions.com. Ready to unite your teams with RevOps strategies that eliminate costly silos and drive growth? Let's talk!

In this episode of In-Ear Insights, the Trust Insights podcast, Katie and Chris discuss the present and future of intellectual property in the age of AI. You will understand why the content AI generates is legally unprotectable, preventing potential business losses. You will discover who is truly liable for copyright infringement when you publish AI-assisted content, shifting your risk management strategy. You will learn precise actions and methods you must implement to protect your valuable frameworks and creations from theft. You will gain crucial insight into performing necessary due diligence steps to avoid costly lawsuits before publishing any AI-derived work. Watch now to safeguard your brand and stay ahead of evolving legal risks! Watch the video here: Can’t see anything? Watch it on YouTube here. Listen to the audio here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/inearinsights/tipodcast-ai-future-intellectual-property.mp3 Download the MP3 audio here. Need help with your company’s data and analytics? Let us know! Join our free Slack group for marketers interested in analytics! [podcastsponsor] Machine-Generated Transcript What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for listening to the episode. Christopher S. Penn: In this week’s In Ear Insights, let’s talk about the present and future of intellectual property in the age of AI. Now, before we get started with this week’s episode, we have to put up the obligatory disclaimer: we are not lawyers. This is not legal advice. Please consult with a qualified legal expert practitioner for advice specific to your situation in your jurisdiction. And you will see this banner frequently because though we are knowledgeable about data and AI, we are not lawyers. We can, if you’d like, join our Slack group at Trust Insights, AI Analytics for Marketers, and we can recommend some people who are lawyers and can provide advice depending on your jurisdiction. So, Katie, this is a topic that you came across very recently. What’s the gist of it? Katie Robbert: So the backstory is I was sitting on a panel with an internal team and one of the audience members. We were talking about generative AI as a whole and what it means for the industry, where we are now, so on, so forth. And someone asked the question of intellectual property. Specifically, how has intellectual property management changed due to AI? And I thought that was a great question because I think that first and foremost, intellectual property is something that perhaps isn’t well understood in terms of how it works. And then I think that there’s we were talking about the notion of AI slop, but how do you get there? Aeo, geo, all your favorite terms. But basically the question is around: if we really break it down, how do I protect the things that I’m creating, but also let people know that it’s available? And that’s. I know this is going to come as a shocker. New tech doesn’t solve old problems, it just highlights it. So if you’re not protecting your assets, if you’re not filing for your copyrights and your trademarks and making sure that what is actually contained within your ecosystem of intellectual property, then you have no leg to stand on. And so just putting it out there in the world doesn’t mean that you own it. There are more regulated systems. They cost money. Again, as Chris mentioned, we’re not lawyers. This is not legal advice. Consult a qualified expert. My advice as a quasi creator is to consult with a legal team to ask them the questions of—let’s say, for example—I really want people to know what the 5P framework is. And the answer, I really do want that, but I don’t want to get ripped off. I don’t want people to create derivatives of it. I don’t want people to say, “Hey, that’s a really great idea, let me create my own version based on the hard work you’ve done,” and then make money off of you where you could be making money from the thing that you created. That’s the basic idea of this intellectual property. So the question that comes up is if I’m creating something that I want to own and I want to protect, but I also want large language models to serve it up as a result, or a search engine to serve it up as a result, how do I protect myself? Chris, I’m sure this is something that as a creator you’ve given a lot of thought to. So how has intellectual property changed due to AI? Christopher S. Penn: Here’s the good and bad news. The law in many places has not changed. The law is pretty firm, and while organizations like the U.S. Copyright Office have issued guidance, the actual laws have not changed. So let’s delineate five different kinds of mechanisms for this. There are copyrights which protect a tangible expression of work. So when you write a blog post, a copyright would protect that. There are patents. Patents protect an idea. Copyrights do not protect ideas. Patents do. Patents protect—like, hey, here is the patent for a toilet paper holder. Which by the way, fun fact, the roll is always over in the patent, which is the correct way to put toilet paper on. And then there are registrations. So there’s trademark, registered mark, and service mark. And these protect things like logos and stuff, brand names. So the 5Ps, for example, could be a service mark. And again, contact your lawyer for which things you need to do. But for example, with Trust Insights, the Trust Insights logo is something that is a registered mark, and the 5Ps are a service mark. Both are also protected by copyright, but they are different. And the reason they’re different is because you would press different kinds of lawsuits depending on it. Now this is also, we’re speaking from the USA. Every country’s laws about copyright are different. Now a lot of countries have signed on to this thing called the Berne Convention (B E R N, I think named after Switzerland), which basically tries to make common things like copyright, trademark, etc., but it’s still not universal. And there are many countries where those definitions are wildly different. In the USA under copyright, it was the 1978 Copyright Act, which essentially says the moment you create something, it is copyrighted. You would file for a copyright to have additional documentation, like irrefutable proof. This is the thing I worked on with my lawyers to prove that I actually made this thing. But under US law right now, the moment you, the human, create something, it is copyrighted. Now as this applies to AI, this is where things get messy. Because if you prompt Gemini or ChatGPT, “Write me a blog post about B2B marketing,” your prompt is copyrightable; the output is not. It was a case in 2018, *Naruto vs. Slater*, where a chimpanzee took a selfie, and there was a whole lawsuit that went on with People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. They used the image, and it went to court, and the Supreme Court eventually ruled the chimp did the work. It held the camera, it did the work even though it was the photographer’s equipment, and therefore the chimp would own the copyright. Except chimps can’t own copyright. And so they established in that court case only humans can have copyright in the USA. Which means that if you prompt ChatGPT to write you a blog post, ChatGPT did the work, you did not. And therefore that blog post is not copyrightable. So the part of your question about what’s the future of intellectual property is if you are using AI to make something net new, it’s not copyrightable. You have no claim to intellectual property for that. Katie Robbert: So I want to go back to I think you said the 1978 reference, and I hear you when you say if you create something and put it out there, you own the copyright. I don’t think people care unless there is some kind of mark on it—the different kinds of copyright, trademark, whatever’s appropriate. I don’t think people care because it’s easy to fudge the data. And by that I mean I’m going to say, I saw this really great idea that Chris Penn put out there, and I wish I had thought of it first. So I’m going to put it out there, but I’m going to back date my blog post to one day before. And sure there are audit trails, and you can get into the technical, but at a high level it’s very easy for people to say, “No, I had that idea first,” or, “Yeah, Chris and I had a conversation that wasn’t recorded, but I totally gave him that idea. And he used it, and now he’s calling copyright. But it’s my idea.” I feel unless—and again, I’m going to put this up here because this is important: We’re not lawyers. This is not legal advice—unless you have some kind of piece of paper to back up your claim. Personally, this is one person’s opinion. I feel like it’s going to be harder for you to prove ownership of the thing. So, Chris, you and I have debated this. Why are we paying the legal team to file for these copyrights when we’ve already put it out there? Therefore, we own it. And my stance is we don’t own it enough. Christopher S. Penn: Yes. And fundamentally—Cary Gorgon said this not too long ago—”Write it or you’ll regret it.” Basically, if it isn’t written down, it never happens. So the foundation of all law, but especially copyright law, is receipts. You got to have receipts. And filing a formal copyright with the Copyright Office is about the strongest receipt you can have. You can say, my lawyer timestamped this, filed this, and this is admissible in a court of law as evidence and has been registered with a third party. Anything where there is a tangible record that you can prove. And to your point, some systems can be fudged. For example, one system that is oddly relatively immutable is things like Twitter, or formerly Twitter. You can’t backdate a tweet. You can edit a tweet up to an hour if you create it, but you can’t backdate it after that. You just have to delete it. There are sites like archive.org that crawl websites, and you can actually submit pages to them, and they have a record. But yes, without a doubt, having a qualified third party that has receipts is the strongest form of registration. Now, there’s an additional twist in the world of AI because why not? And that is the definition of derivative works. So there are 2 kinds of works you can make from a copyrighted piece of work. There’s a derivative, and then there’s a transformative work. A derivative work is a work that is derived from an initial piece of property, and you can tell there’s no reputation that is a derived piece of work. So, for example, if I take a picture of the Mona Lisa and I spray paint rabbit ears on it, it’s still pretty clearly the Mona Lisa. You could say, “Okay, yeah, that’s definitely derived work,” and it’s very clear that you made it from somebody else’s work. Derivative works inherit the copyright of the original. So if you don’t have permission—say we have copyrighted the 5Ps—and you decide, “I’m going to make the 6Ps and add one more to it,” that is a derived work and it inherits the copyright. This means if you do not get Trust Insights legal permission to make the 6Ps, you are violating intellectual properties, and we can sue you, and we will. The other form is a transformative work, which is where a work is taken and is transformed in such a way that it cannot be told what the original work was, and no one could mistake it for it. So if you took the Mona Lisa, put it in a paper shredder and turned it into a little sculpture of a rabbit, that would be a transformative work. You would be going to jail by the French government. But that transformed work is unrecognizable as the Mona Lisa. No one would mistake a sculpture of a rabbit made out of pulp paper and canvas from the original painting. What has happened in the world of AI is that model makers like ChatGPT, OpenAI—the model is a big pile of statistics. No one would mistake your blog post or your original piece of art or your drawing or your photo for a pile of statistics. They are clearly not the same thing. And courts have begun to rule that an AI model is not a violation of copyright because it is a transformative work. Katie Robbert: So let’s talk a little bit about some of those lawsuits. There have been, especially with public figures, a lot of lawsuits filed around generative models, large language models using “public domain information.” And this is big quotes: We are not lawyers. So let’s say somebody was like, “I want to train my model on everything that Chris and Katie have ever done.” So they have our YouTube channel, they have our LinkedIn, they have our website. We put a lot of content out there as creators, and so they’re going to go ahead and take all of that data, put it into a large language model and say, “Great, now I know everything that Katie and Chris know. I’m going to start to create my own stuff based on their knowledge block.” That’s where I think it’s getting really messy because a lot of people who are a lot more famous and have a lot more money than us can actually bring those lawsuits to say, “You can’t use my likeness without my permission.” And so that’s where I think, when we talk about how IP management is changing, to me, that’s where it’s getting really messy. Christopher S. Penn: So the case happened—was it this June 2025, August 2020? Sometime this summer. It was *Bart’s versus Anthropic*. The judge, it was District Court of Northern California, ruled that AI models are transformative. In that case, Anthropic, the makers of Claude, was essentially told, “Your model, which was trained on other people’s copyrighted works, is not a violation of intellectual property rights.” However, the liability then passes to the user. So if I use Claude and I say, “Let’s write a book called *Perry Hotter* about a kid magician,” and I publish it, Anthropic has no legal liability in this case because their model is not a representation of *Harry Potter*. My very thinly disguised derivative work is. And the liability as the user of the model is mine. So one of the things—and again, our friend Cary Gorgon talked about this at her session at Marketing Prosporum this year—you, as the producer of works, whether you use AI or not, have an obligation, a legal obligation, to validate that you are not ripping off somebody else. If you make a piece of artwork and it very strongly resembles this particular artist, Gemini or ChatGPT is not liable, but you are. So if you make a famously oddly familiar looking mouse as a cartoon logo on your stationary, a lawyer from Disney will come by and punch you in the face, legally speaking. And just because you used AI does not indemnify you from violating Disney’s copyrights. So part of intellectual property management, a key step is you got to do your homework and say, “Hey, have I ripped off somebody else?” Katie Robbert: So let’s talk about that a little more because I feel like there’s a lot to unpack there. So let’s go back to the example of, “Hey, Gemini, write me a blog post about B2B marketing in 2026.” And it writes the blog post and you publish it. And Andy Crestedina is, “Hey, that’s verbatim, word for word what I said,” but it wasn’t listed as a source. And the model doesn’t say, “By the way, I was trained on all of Andy Crestedina’s work.” You’re just, “Here’s a blog post that I’m going to use.” How do users—I hear you saying, “Do your homework,” do due diligence, but what does that look like? What does it look like for a user to do that due diligence? Because it’s adding—rightfully so—more work into the process to protect yourself. But I don’t think people are doing that. Christopher S. Penn: People for sure are not doing that. And this is where it becomes very muddy because ideas cannot be copyrighted. So if I have an idea for, say, a way to do requirements gathering, I cannot copyright that idea. I can copyright my expression of that idea, and there’s a lot of nuance for it. The 5P framework, for example, from Trust Insights, is a tangible expression of the idea. We are copywriting the literal words. So this is where you get into things like plagiarism. Plagiarism is not illegal. Violation of copyright is. Plagiarism is unethical. And in colleges, it’s a violation of academic honesty codes. But it is not illegal because as long as you’re changing the words, it is not the same tangible fixed expression. So if I had the 5T framework instead of the 5P framework, that is plagiarism of the idea. But it is not a violation of the copyright itself because the copyright protects the fixed expression. So if someone’s using a 5P and it’s purpose, people, process, platform, performance, that is protected. If it’s with T’s or Z’s or whatever that is, that’s a harder thing. You’re gonna have a longer court case, whereas the initial one, you just rip off the 5Ps and call it yours, and scratch off Katie Robbert and put Bob Jones. Bob’s getting sued, and Bob’s gonna lose pretty quickly in court. So don’t do that. So the guaranteed way to protect yourself across the board is for you to start with a human originated work. So this podcast, for example, there’s obviously proof that you and I are saying the words aloud. We have a recording of it. And if we were to put this into generative AI and turn it into a blog post or series of blog posts, we have this receipt—literally us saying these words coming out of our mouths. That is evidence, it’s receipts, that these are our original human led thoughts. So no matter how much AI we use on this, we can show in a court, in a lawsuit, “This came from us.” So if someone said, “Chris and Katie, you stole my intellectual property infringement blog post,” we can clearly say we did not. It just came from our podcast episode, and ideas are not copyrightable. Katie Robbert: But I guess that goes—the question I’m asking is—let’s say, let’s plead ignorant for a second. Let’s say that your shiny-faced, brand new marketing coordinator has been asked to write a blog post about B2B marketing in 2026, and they’re like, “This is great, let me just use ChatGPT to write this post or at least get a draft.” And they’re brand new to the workforce. Again, I’m pleading ignorant. They’re brand new to the workforce, they don’t know that plagiarism and copyright—they understand the concepts, but they’re not thinking about it in terms of, “This is going to happen to me.” Or let’s just go ahead and say that there’s an entitled senior executive who thinks that they’re impervious to any sort of bad consequences. Same thing, whatever. What kind of steps should that person be taking to ensure that if they’re using these large language models that are trained on copyrighted information, they themselves are not violating copyright? Is there a magic—I know I’m putting you on the spot—is there a magic prompt? Is there a process? Is there a tool that someone could use to supplement to—”All right, Bob Jones, you’ve ripped off Katie 5 times this year. We don’t need any more lawsuits. I really need you to start checking your work because Katie’s going to come after you and make sure that we never work in this town again.” What can Bob do to make sure that I don’t put his whole company out? Christopher S. Penn: So the good news is there are companies that are mostly in the education space that specialize in detecting plagiarism. Turnitin, for example, is a well-known one. These companies also offer AI detectors. Their AI detectors are bullshit. They completely do not work. But they are very good and provenly good at detecting when you have just copied and pasted somebody else’s work or very closely to it. So there are commercial services, gazillions of them, that can detect basically copyright infringement. And so if you are very risk averse and you are concerned about a junior employee or a senior employee who is just copy/pasting somebody else’s stuff, these services (and you can get plugins for your blog, you can get plugins for your software) are capable of detecting and saying, “Yep, here’s the citation that I found that matches this.” You can even copy and paste a paragraph of the text, put it into Google and put it in quotes. And if it’s an exact copy, Google will find and say, “This is where this comes from.” Long ago I had a situation like this. In 2006, we had a junior person on a content team at the financial services company I was using, and they were of the completely mistaken opinion that if it’s on the internet, it is free to use. They copied and pasted a graphic for one of our blog posts. We got a $60,000 bill—$60,000 for one image from Getty Images—saying, “You owe us money because you used one of our works without permission,” and we had to pay it. That person was let go because they cost the company more than their salary, twice their salary. So the short of it is make sure that if you are risk averse, you have these tools—they are annual subscriptions at the very minimum. And I like this rule that Cary said, particularly for people who are more experienced: if it sounds familiar, you got to check it. If AI makes something and you’re like, “That sounds awfully familiar,” you got to check it. Now you do have to have someone senior who has experience who can say, “That sounds a lot like Andy, or that sounds a lot like Lily Ray, or that sounds a lot like Alita Solis,” to know that’s a problem. But between that and plagiarism detection software, you can in a court of law say you made best reasonable efforts to prevent that. And typically what happens is that first you’ll get a polite request, “Hey, this looks kind of familiar, would you mind changing it?” If you ignore that, then your lawyer sends a cease and desist letter saying, “Hey, you violated my client’s copyright, remove this or else.” And if you still ignore that, then you go to lawsuit. This is the normal progression, at least in the US system. Katie Robbert: And so, I think the takeaway here is, even if it doesn’t sound familiar, we as humans are ingesting so much information all day, every day, whether we realize it or not, that something that may seem like a millisecond data input into our brain could stick in our subconscious, without getting too deep in how all of that works. The big takeaway is just double check your work because large language models do not give a flying turkey if the material is copyrighted or not. That’s not their problem. It is your problem. So you can’t say, “Well, that’s what ChatGPT gave me, so it’s its fault.” It’s a machine, it doesn’t care. You can take heart all you want, it doesn’t matter. You as the human are on the hook. Flip side of that, if you’re a creator, make sure you’re working with your legal team to know exactly what those boundaries are in terms of your own protection. Christopher S. Penn: Exactly. And for that part in particular, copyright should scale with importance. You do not need to file a copyright for every blog post you write. But if it’s something that is going to be big, like the Trust Insights 5P framework or the 6C framework or the TRIPS framework, yeah, go ahead and spend the money and get the receipts that will stand up beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law. If you think you’re going to have to go to the mat for something that is your bread and butter, invest the money in a good legal team and invest the money to do those filings. Because those receipts are worth their weight in gold. Katie Robbert: And in case anyone is wondering, yes, the 5Ps are covered, and so are all of our major frameworks because I am super risk averse, and I like to have those receipts. A big fan of receipts. Christopher S. Penn: Exactly. If you’ve got some thoughts that you want to share about how you’re looking at intellectual property in the world of AI, and you want to share them, pop by our Slack. Go to Trust Insights AI Analytics for Marketers, where you and over 4,500 marketers are asking and answering each other’s questions every single day. And wherever you watch or listen to the show, if there’s a channel you’d rather have it instead, go to Trust Insights AI TI Podcast. You’ll find us in most of the places that fine podcasts are served. Thanks for tuning in, and we’ll talk to you on the next one. Katie Robbert: Want to know more about Trust Insights? 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Watching his wife spend weeks building custom Christmas decorations from scratch—with zero blueprint and no clear plan beyond a color theme—revealed a powerful business truth. We glorify the Bezos-style crystal clear vision, thinking that's what you need to succeed. But the reality? Most wildly successful entrepreneurs will tell you their business took on a life of its own. Building a business is more art than science—more Steve Jobs ("you can only connect the dots in hindsight") than detailed master plan. This episode explores why loving the process matters more than having perfect clarity, how the process itself reveals options you couldn't have predicted, and why energy to push through inevitable frustrations comes from one of two sources: either a vision so clear it pulls you through, or genuine love for the creative journey itself.//Welcome to Repeatable Revenue, hosted by strategic growth advisor , Ray J. Green.About Ray:→ Former Managing Director of National Small & Midsize Business at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, where he doubled revenue per sale in fundraising, led the first increase in SMB membership, co-built a national Mid-Market sales channel, and more.→ Former CEO operator for several investor groups where he led turnarounds of recently acquired small businesses.→ Current founder of MSP Sales Partners, where we currently help IT companies scale sales: www.MSPSalesPartners.com→ Current Sales & Sales Management Expert in Residence at the world's largest IT business mastermind.→ Current Managing Partner of Repeatable Revenue Ventures, where we scale B2B companies we have equity in: www.RayJGreen.com//Follow Ray on:YouTube | LinkedIn | Facebook | Twitter | Instagram

Here's a question that'll stop you in your tracks: Would you let someone walk up to you, take your wallet, empty out all your cash and credit cards, and leave your family with nothing? Of course not. That's insane. But if you're in sales and you let rejection stop you from making calls, booking appointments, and closing deals, that's exactly what you're doing. You're handing over your commission check to fear. That was the powerful insight from Wendy Ramirez, a leading Mexican sales expert and author of Lo que nadie habla de las ventas: Estrategias para no ser llamarada de petate or What Nobody Talks About in Sales: Strategies to Avoid Being a Flash in the Pan, on a recent episode of Ask Jeb the Sales Gravy Podcast. When you give rejection the power to stop you, you're literally taking money away from your family. Let that sink in. The Science of Why Rejection Hurts Let's get one thing straight right now: I'm not going to sit here and glorify rejection. Nobody wants to be rejected. Unless you're a pure sociopath who feels nothing (and there aren't many of those in sales), rejection is going to hurt you. It doesn't matter if you're highly outcome-driven like me or highly empathetic. Rejection hurts everyone in different degrees, but it hurts. Period. Here's what's actually happening inside your body when you get rejected: Your brain treats rejection like a physical threat. Fight or flight kicks in. It's a neurophysical response that dumps adrenaline into your bloodstream, makes your heart race, and creates this overwhelming urge to either run away or fight back. That uncomfortable feeling? That's not weakness. That's just science. The Problem: Sales Is a Rejection-Dense Profession Here's the brutal reality about selling: If you don't face rejection, you're going to fail. Sales is what I call a rejection-dense profession. When you hit rejection in sales, you don't have the option of going backwards. You can go over it, through it, around it, or dig under it. But your job is literally to go out into the world, find rejection, and bring it home. That's the job description. That's what we signed up for. Think about it like this: A few years back, I got invited to jump out of an airplane with the Golden Knights, the U.S. Army's elite parachute team. I'm not a skydiver (just like I'm not a Spanish speaker), but what an honor to jump with probably the best parachute team worldwide. I asked the guy I was tandem jumping with how many times he'd jumped. Ten thousand times, he said. So I asked him, "Do you ever get afraid?" His answer changed everything for me: "Of course I get afraid. I'm jumping out of an airplane. Your body is going to get afraid. I've just done it so many times that I know exactly what the process is. I'm able to get myself to jump even though my brain says this is the wrong thing to do." That's exactly what you have to do in sales. Building Obstacle Immunity In my book Objections, I talk about something called obstacle immunity. It's the process human beings go through of facing something that feels really big and uncomfortable, but doing it enough times that we lower the size of that obstacle. The fear of being rejected never fully goes away. But you can lower that fear. Here's how you do it: Develop the Ledge Technique The ledge technique allows you to interrupt or break the pattern you feel in fight or flight when you get rejected. It helps you regain your poise and confidence so you know what to say next. It's about taking control of the conversation when someone gives you an objection. Understand the Difference Between Objections and Rejection An objection isn't the same as a rejection, even though they feel essentially the same in your body. When someone objects, they're giving you information. When someone rejects you, they're saying no. Learn to tell the difference. Focus on Emotional Discipline In emotionally tense situations, you've got to be emotionally disciplined. You've got to gain control, gain poise, and handle those objections in a way that allows you to achieve your desired outcome. The Mindset Makes All the Difference Sales is a skill position. There are particular skills, techniques, and tools you need to deploy to be good at the craft. But the thing that makes all the difference is what's in your head. This is no different than athletics. Elite athletes all operate at similar skill and talent levels. They'll tell you that winning or losing happens between the ears. I'm a big golfer. The difference between me having a really good game or a really bad game is one hundred percent what's in my head. My body knows what to do. I know how to swing the club. The mental game is everything. If you don't fix your mindset, you're not going to get the results you're expecting. People think they're stuck and can't move forward. But it's just about moving your mindset. Get more information. Learn something new. Apply what you learn. That's how you increase your mindset and get better results. Stop Giving Away Your Power When Wendy said, "When you give to the clients, when you give to the people that rejected you, the power to stop you, that's what exactly you do," it hit me like a freight train. You wouldn't let someone take your wallet. You wouldn't let someone steal from your family. So why would you let rejection steal your future? The next time you feel that uncomfortable feeling in your chest after getting rejected, remember this: That feeling is just your body doing what it's supposed to do. It's not telling you to quit. It's telling you that you're doing something hard, something that matters, something that will pay off. Face your fear. Make the next call. The difference between average salespeople and elite performers isn't talent. It's the willingness to go through rejection instead of around it. That's how you win. Ready to take your sales game to the next level? Check out The LinkedIn Edge to learn how to leverage the world's most powerful B2B social selling platform to fill your pipeline, build relationships, and close more deals.

MENOS CURSITIS Y MÁS RESULTADOS DE VENTAS Regístrate en el Top Team de Ventashttps://www.detonadoresdevalor.com/topHoy te voy a enseñar cómo venderle al cliente más difícil de todos: el cliente saturado. El que recibe 200 correos al día, 40 mensajes de WhatsApp, 3 propuestas iguales a la tuya y que ya no tiene paciencia para escuchar tu pitch de cinco minutos.Te voy a mostrar por qué la atención del cliente cayó a niveles históricos (Microsoft, LinkedIn, Gartner y Forrester lo confirman) y cómo adaptar tu mensaje para que te escuchen, te entiendan y te compren.Vamos a hablar de micro-mensajes, comunicación quirúrgica, cómo eliminar ruido, cómo liderar una conversación en menos de 20 segundos y cómo diferenciarte en un mundo donde todos dicen lo mismo.Si vendes B2B, B2C, servicios, productos o ideas, este episodio te va a ayudar a generar claridad, autoridad y respuesta inmediata.00:00 — Intro02:52 — Punto 1: tu cliente vive saturado.06:20 — Punto 2: más precisión igual a más persuasión.10:02 — Punto 3: muchas opciones es igual a parálisis por análisis.15:46 — Punto 4: el cliente saturado no lee… escanea / ojea.20:51 — Punto 7: simplifica para vender más.22:36 — Punto 8: preguntas, la herramienta más peligrosa de las ventas.24:39 — Punto 9: dale un break a tus clientes30:42 — Punto número 9.5: el vendedor es un curador, no un catálogo.34:17 — ConclusiónMENOS CURSITIS Y MÁS RESULTADOS DE VENTAS Regístrate en el Top Team de Ventashttps://www.detonadoresdevalor.com/top Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.