Don’t Kill the Messenger, hosted by movie and entertainment research expert Kevin Goetz, brings his book Audience•ology to life. This bi-monthly podcast takes a peek behind the filmmaking curtain as Kevin talks with famous filmmakers, studio executives, stars, and other creatives about movies, filmmaking, audience test screenings, and much more.
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn this episode of Don't Kill the Messenger, host Kevin Goetz sits down with legendary producer Jerry Bruckheimer, the mastermind behind billion-dollar blockbusters, including Top Gun, Pirates of the Caribbean, Bad Boys, Beverly Hills Cop, and the television shows CSI, The Amazing Race, and Fire Country. Bruckheimer shares insights into his detailed approach to filmmaking, the power of test screenings, and what it takes to consistently deliver crowd-pleasing entertainment.The Power of Audience Testing (01:22)Bruckheimer emphasizes the crucial role audience research has played in his success, citing examples like Armageddon and Bad Boys: Ride or Die, which both saw significant improvements in test screening scores.The Origins of Top Gun and Casting Tom Cruise (08:49)Bruckheimer reveals how Top Gun almost didn't get made due to studio concerns about airplane movies, and his brilliant strategy of arranging for Tom Cruise to fly with the Blue Angels, which sealed Cruise's commitment to the project.Learning from The Lone Ranger (18:05)Goetz and Bruckheimer analyze why The Lone Ranger didn't connect with audiences, emphasizing how budget discussions overshadowed the creative vision and the importance of early concept testing.F1: The Upcoming Blockbuster (24:20)Bruckheimer details the three-year process of making F1, from convincing Formula 1 teams to participate to achieving record-breaking test screening scores.Working with Hollywood Legends (29:22)Bruckheimer shares personal stories about collaborating with icons like Gene Hackman, Will Smith, Eddie Murphy, and Johnny Depp.Television Empire and The Amazing Race (40:01)With 10 Emmy wins for The Amazing Race and over 2000 episodes across franchises like CSI and Fire Country, Bruckheimer discusses his approach to television and how he maintains the quality across multiple projects.Over the course of the interview, Bruckheimer shares how his pursuit of perfection, genuine respect for audiences, and ability to adapt while maintaining his core philosophy, "I don't make movies for anybody but the audience," contributed to his mega success. His insights reveal the strategic thinking and collaborative spirit behind some of Hollywood's biggest franchises.Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Jerry BruckheimerProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, Nick Nunez, and Kari CampanoAudio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment) For more information about Jerry Bruckheimer:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_BruckheimerIMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000988/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jerrybruckheimer/?hl=en For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678How to Score in Hollywood: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/How-to-Score-in-Hollywood/Kevin-Goetz/9781982189860Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, TikTok, Substack: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin Goetz
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn this episode of Don't Kill the Messenger, host Kevin Goetz sits down with Arnold Rifkin, the legendary talent agent who pioneered the concept of a total talent agency and helped build one of Hollywood's most recognizable action stars. From founding Triad Artists to leading William Morris's film division and producing blockbuster films alongside Bruce Willis, Rifkin has built careers, brokered deals, and produced films over the course of four decades. He shares candid stories about deal-making, friendship, and the business of entertainment.Building an Agency Empire (03:21)Rifkin discusses his sales DNA, inherited from his father, and founding an agency with Nicole David for just $1,500. He also shares the story of discovering Bruce Willis and building Triad Artists into a powerhouse before being acquired by William Morris.Bruce Willis Partnership and Discovery (11:52)Arnold shares Bruce's Moonlighting casting story, including his first impression, their shared speech impediment, and how Bruce's swagger and humor made him a star, despite not being a typical leading man.The Die Hard Deal and Negotiation Mastery (19:26)Arnold reveals the high-stakes negotiation technique he used that secured Bruce Willis $5 million for Die Hard. He also shares the Look Who's Talking voiceover deal and the Seagram's wine cooler campaign, which shed light on his deal-making prowess.From Agent to Producer (26:57)Rifkin explains his decision to leave agenting after 35 years, partnering with Bruce Willis to form Cheyenne Entertainment, and his spiritual transformation through Native American practices that guided this major career shift.Bruce's Health and Honoring His Legacy (34:22)Arnold speaks movingly about maintaining his friendship with Bruce during his health challenges, their continued Friday lunches, and plans to honor Bruce's legacy through a documentary with his new company, Incite.Life Philosophy and Legacy (42:34)Rifkin reflects on choosing abundance over scarcity, teaching at UCLA for 15 years, raising five children, and how true success isn't about material possessions but about the impact you make on others.Throughout the conversation, Rifkin demonstrates the relationship-building, risk-taking, and loyalty that defined his extraordinary career. From an immigrant's son to Hollywood power broker, his journey offers insights into deal-making, friendship, and the human side of the entertainment industry. Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Arnold RifkinProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoAudio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment) For more information about Arnold Rifkin:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_RifkinIMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0726476/Incite Studios: https://www.incite-studios.com/ For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678How to Score in Hollywood Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/How-to-Score-in-Hollywood/Kevin-Goetz/9781982189860Facebook, X, Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, Substack: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn this episode of Don't Kill the Messenger, host Kevin Goetz interviews Scott Ross, a pioneering figure in the visual effects industry. As the former general manager of Industrial Light and Magic (ILM), Senior VP of LucasArts Entertainment, and co-founder of Digital Domain with James Cameron and Stan Winston, Scott Ross shares insights into the evolution of visual effects, from practical models to the digital revolution. His impressive portfolio includes iconic films like Star Wars, Terminator 2, Titanic, Apollo 13, and What Dreams May Come, and in this conversation, Ross reflects on working with some of Hollywood's greatest directors and creative minds.Early Career and Entry into Visual Effects (01:59)Ross talks about his unexpected journey from studying film at Hofstra University to running ILM.The Evolution of Visual Effects (04:26)Ross offers a historical perspective on the development of visual effects, from early innovations like The Great Train Robbery and Trip to the Moon, through the stop-motion animation of King Kong, to the groundbreaking digital effects of the 1980s.Working at Industrial Light and Magic (09:19)Ross recounts his experience running ILM, explaining how he rose through the ranks despite having limited direct experience with the optical and chemical processes used before the digital era.Seminal Projects: Who Framed Roger Rabbit (15:04)Ross shares insights on his groundbreaking work on Who Framed Roger Rabbit.Collaborating with George Lucas and James Cameron (17:57)Ross offers candid reflections on working with George Lucas and his partnership with James Cameron in founding Digital Domain.Visual Effects Economics and Challenges (25:54)Ross explains why visual effects are so expensive, mainly due to the enormous personnel requirements.The Impact of AI on Visual Effects (30:36)Ross offers a balanced view of artificial intelligence as both "an incredibly wonderful technology" and a potentially frightening force that could eliminate jobs.Reflections on Iconic Films (39:09)In a rapid-fire segment, Ross shares memories of working on films like Apollo 13, Titanic, Terminator 2, and What Dreams May Come.Throughout the conversation, Ross shares his perspective as a business leader who navigated the transition from creating practical to digital effects, offering both historical context and insights about the future of filmmaking as the technology continues to evolve.We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger! Please leave us a review or connect on social media.Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Scott RossProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoAudio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment) For more information about Scott Ross:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ross_(film_executive)IMDB:https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0743824/Upstart: The Digital Film Revolution (Book): https://a.co/d/iRhI0uR For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Instagram, Facebook, X, TikTok, YouTube, and Substack: @KevinG
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn this episode of Don't Kill the Messenger, host Kevin Goetz interviews Mike Marcus, whose impressive 57-year career spans from agency mailroom to MGM Pictures president to management company founder. In his early career as an agent, Marcus built an impressive client roster including Robin Williams, John Landis, and Sidney Pollack before transitioning to studio executive and eventually launching Echo Lake Entertainment's management division. Marcus was instrumental in bringing iconic films like The Fisher King, Trading Places, An American Werewolf in London, Get Shorty, and Stargate to the screen.The Agency Mailroom: Hollywood's Ultimate Training Ground (01:37)Marcus explains why starting in an agency mailroom provides unparalleled industry education through networking and on-the-job training.Building a Client Roster and Packaging Films (07:07)Marcus discusses how he excelled at assembling creative teams for projects like Fisher King with Robin Williams and Terry Gilliam.The CAA Years and Client Relationships (10:48)After launching Cunningham Levy Marcus, he moved to CAA where he represented major talents, building the relationships that defined his career.Transition to Studio Executive at MGM (14:21)Marcus details his surprising move from agent to MGM Pictures president in 1993, where his packaging skills lent themselves to studio leadership..The Value of Research and Testing (22:50)Looking back on projects like Stargate, Marcus reflects on his evolution from a "gut instinct" filmmaker to appreciating audience research.The Streaming Revolution and Theater Experience (27:44)Marcus shares his perspective on streaming's impact on theatrical moviegoing, believing theaters will always exist while acknowledging how streaming has changed the viewing landscape.Building Echo Lake Entertainment (31:19)Now approaching 20 years at Echo Lake, Marcus discusses what makes a great representative and reveals the fulfillment that came with building the company.Industry Outlook and Future Projects (33:11)Marcus shares his optimism about independent film's potential resurgence, concerns about decreasing compensation for talent, and shares his current projects.Throughout the conversation, Marcus demonstrates how his skill for recognizing creative talent and building relationships helped create classic films through the years. His journey from agency mailroom to industry leader offers essential insights for anyone interested in the inner workings of Hollywood.If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger! Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Mike MarcusProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoAudio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment) For more information about Mike Marcus:IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0546152/Echo Lake Entertainment: https://www.echolakeentertainment.com/ For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.com
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn this episode of Don't Kill the Messenger, host Kevin Goetz interviews Tony Sella, the legendary marketing executive behind some of Hollywood's most iconic movie campaigns. During his decades at 20th Century Fox, Sella was the creative force behind unforgettable posters, trailers, taglines, and promotions for films including Avatar, X-Men, Independence Day, Bohemian Rhapsody, and nearly 1,000 others. He shares insights into his creative process, memorable marketing moments, and the philosophy that guided his extraordinary career.Research as the Foundation for Creative Solutions (01:55) Sella emphasizes that research is only as valuable as the questions asked, highlighting how audience feedback helped solve marketing challenges for films like The Happening and Life of Pi. He and Goetz discuss their long collaboration using qualitative research to refine marketing approaches for hundreds of successful campaigns.Finding the "Essential Idea" in Marketing (03:56) Sella explains his unique ability to identify a film's core marketing hook, as demonstrated with the Devil Wears Prada campaign featuring the iconic Prada shoe as a trident.Balancing Trailer Impact with Movie Quality (11:35) Sella reveals a crucial marketing principle about the relationship between trailers and the films they promote, using examples from both Avatar and The Simpsons Movie. For good movies, the trailer must be exceptional, while for truly great films, the trailer must match the emotional impact of the film itself.Groundbreaking Campaigns: Independence Day (15:49) Describing the legendary Super Bowl spot featuring the White House explosion, Sella explains how they created a cultural phenomenon with the tagline "Enjoy the Super Bowl. It may be your last."From Disney to Fox: Career Evolution (21:12) Sella recalls getting his "PhD" at Disney, working on hits like Good Morning Vietnam before moving to Fox, where he helped transform films like Taken through innovative marketing approaches and identifying powerful campaign hooks.The Three Pillars of Creative Success (43:55) Reflecting on campaigns for Walk the Line and Bohemian Rhapsody, Sella shares his philosophy that the most important elements in creative work are passion, talent, and taste—innate qualities that cannot be acquired.During this lively discussion, Sella showcases the creative intuition that made him a marketing legend while acknowledging the collaborative nature of his success. His story offers helpful insights for anyone interested in film marketing, promotion, or the art of connecting with audiences.If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger! Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Tony SellaProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoAudio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment) For more information about Tony Sella: IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2523305/ For more information about Kevin Goetz: Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.com
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn this episode of Don't Kill the Messenger, host Kevin Goetz interviews Shane Black, one of Hollywood's highest-paid screenwriters, who redefined action films with witty dialogue, dark humor, and unforgettable characters. From Lethal Weapon to The Nice Guys, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, and Iron Man 3, Shane discusses his journey from a self-described "oddball" to a filmmaking powerhouse.Pittsburgh Roots and Early Influences (02:55)Born in Pittsburgh, Black shares how his father's printing business and bookshelf of detective novels sparked his love for "tough guy literature" that would later influence his writing style.Overcoming Personal Struggles (08:00)Black candidly discusses his battles with OCD and alcoholism. He reveals how he transformed these challenges into creative strengths and encourages others to "just lean into being weird."The Psychology Behind His Characters (12:04)Black explains how his characters often represent different aspects of his own psychology. He emphasizes that truly compelling writing comes from creating characters with authentic emotional DNA that resonates with the writer's own experiences.The Creation of Lethal Weapon (15:32)Black describes Lethal Weapon as "an urban western" with Mel Gibson's character representing "a Frankenstein kept in a cage" - a Vietnam veteran reviled by society but needed when violence intrudes on everyday life.Working with Hollywood Icons (27:13)Black shares insights about working with legends like Richard Donner, Tony Scott, Joel Silver, and Robert Downey Jr.From Writer to Director (40:06)Black explains his transition to directing to have more creative control over his work. Black adds that directing allows him to move beyond returning to the blank page and into a more collaborative aspect of filmmaking.Latest Project: Play Dirty (52:01)Black discusses working with Mark Wahlberg, and adapting Donald Westlake's Parker series for Amazon, calling Westlake "the king" among mystery writers and explaining his lifelong admiration for these stories he first read at age 12.Throughout the conversation, Black offers a masterclass on screenwriting in Hollywood. Black and Kevin Goetz discover numerous personal connections, creating an unusually intimate portrait of a filmmaker who transformed Hollywood's action genre. His journey from a bookish child to acclaimed filmmaker serves as proof that leaning into one's unique perspective can lead to extraordinary creative achievements.If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Shane BlackProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, Nick Nunez, and Kari CampanoAudio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment) For more information about Shane Black:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_BlackIMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000948/Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/director/shane-black/ For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn this episode of Don't Kill the Messenger, host Kevin Goetz welcomes an industry titan-- film producer and studio executive Mike Medavoy. With a career spanning over five decades, Medavoy has been closely involved with over 300 feature films, with seven winning Best Picture Oscars. From agent to studio chief to producer, his remarkable journey from Shanghai to Hollywood has shaped some of cinema's most important films, including Rocky, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Apocalypse Now, Platoon, and Silence of the Lambs. With characteristic humility and wisdom, Medavoy shares fascinating stories from his illustrious career.Early Life and Global Upbringing (03:12)Born in Shanghai in 1941 to Russian-Ukrainian Jewish parents, Medavoy moved to Chile in 1947 before settling in California, speaking Shanghai-nese, Russian, Spanish, and English.Breaking into Hollywood (07:40)After UCLA and the US Army Reserve, Medavoy started in Universal's mailroom in 1964, making industry friendships that became the foundation of his career.From Agent to Studio Executive (11:15)Medavoy recounts transitioning from talent agent to Senior VP of Production at United Artists, where his first major film was One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.United Artists and an Unprecedented Oscar Run (16:26)At UA, Medavoy helped shepherd three consecutive Best Picture winners: One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Rocky, and Annie Hall.Formation of Orion Pictures (19:43)Medavoy discusses co-founding Orion Pictures, which produced classics like Amadeus, Platoon, and The Silence of the Lambs.Stories Behind the Classics (24:26)Fascinating behind-the-scenes stories about iconic films including Platoon, Terminator, and Apocalypse Now.Advice for the Next Generation (38:56) For emerging filmmakers, Medavoy recommends "The Story of Film" as essential viewing.Throughout this conversation, Medavoy reveals himself as not just an industry treasure but a thoughtful observer of both cinema and life. His journey from immigrant roots to Hollywood exemplifies the dream many pursue but few achieve. With remarkable candor, he discusses both triumphs and regrets, offering listeners a rare glimpse into the mind of someone who has truly shaped modern cinema while remaining, as Kevin notes, "a very charming and decent human being."If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Mike MedavoyProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, Nick Nunez, and Kari CampanoAudio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)For more information about Mike Medavoy:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_MedavoyIMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005219/Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Youre-Only-Good-Your-Next/dp/0743400550For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter (X), Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.com
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn this episode of Don't Kill the Messenger, host Kevin Goetz sits down with Chris Landon, the acclaimed writer, director, and producer known for films like Happy Death Day, Freaky, Disturbia, and most recently, Heart Eyes. Son of television legend Michael Landon, Chris has carved his own path in Hollywood, specializing in horror comedy or what he calls "feel-good horror." He candidly shares personal stories about his Hollywood upbringing, coming out, surviving kidney cancer, and the creative approaches that have defined his successful career.Growing Up as Michael Landon's Son (05:04)Landon discusses his childhood as the son of a famous father, his parents' divorce, and how his mother's sudden religious conversion impacted his youth.Facing Personal Challenges (10:56)Chris opens up about his father's untimely death from pancreatic cancer when Chris was just 16, and his own journey as a cancer survivor, sharing an important message about health vigilance.Early Film Influences and Career Beginnings (12:07)Landon talks about his early love for horror films, how watching his father's fulfillment at work influenced him, and his introduction to both horror and emotional films like Terms of Endearment.From Writer to Director's Jail (24:41)Chris details his path from writing Disturbia to joining the Paranormal Activity franchise after boldly speaking up in a meeting, his experience with residuals, and eventually facing "director's jail" after Scouts Guide to the Zombie Apocalypse.Breaking through with Happy Death Day (38:38)Landon shares the story of how he resurrected a shelved script called Half to Death that became Happy Death Day, a $5 million film that grossed around $150 million and revitalized his career.Learning from Test Screenings (43:17)Landon explains key insights gained from audience screenings, including respecting the audience's intelligence and never betraying the rules established in a film.Upcoming Film: Drop (46:48)Landon previews his new edge-of-your-seat thriller Drop (releasing April 11), calling it his "grown-up movie" and a modern-day Hitchcock thriller starring Meagan Fahy.Throughout the conversation, Chris Landon demonstrates his resilience, creative vision, and commitment to authentic storytelling. From navigating Hollywood as the son of a legend to creating his own distinct voice in the horror genre, his journey offers insights into filmmaking, audience engagement, and personal growth.If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Chris LandonProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, Nick Nunez, and Kari CampanoAudio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment) For more information about Chris Landon:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Landon_(filmmaker)IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0484907/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thechrislandon/?hl=en For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Link
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn this episode of Don't Kill the Messenger, host Kevin Goetz sits down with acclaimed producer David Permut, the visionary behind films like Face/Off, Hacksaw Ridge (Academy Award nominee for Best Picture), Dragnet, and most recently, Rustin. His films have garnered multiple Academy Award nominations, and he is known for his exceptional ability to discover new talent and bring challenging stories to the screen. From selling star maps as a teenager to executive producing with Barack and Michelle Obama, Permut shares candid stories about his remarkable journey in Hollywood.Early Beginnings and Star Maps (02:15)Permut discusses his start as the publisher of Beverly Hills Map Company, selling maps to celebrity homes while meeting stars like Fred Astaire, Elvis Presley, and Katherine Hepburn.Learning from Bill Sargent (09:17)The producer shares how meeting promoter Bill Sargent led to his first major projects, including Give 'em Hell, Harry! starring James Whitmore.Richard Pryor Live in Concert (16:30)Permut reveals the story behind producing Richard Pryor's groundbreaking concert film, which grossed $32.5 million.Face/Off: From Shelf to Screen (24:33)Details the fascinating journey of acquiring Face/Off from Warner Brothers, investing his own money for the option, and bringing John Woo on board to direct what would become a major hit.The Making of Hacksaw Ridge (30:04)Permut talks about the 17-year journey to bring Desmond Doss's story to screen, culminating in six Oscar nominations and working with Mel Gibson.Rustin and Working with the Obamas (36:05)Permut discusses collaborating with Barack and Michelle Obama's Higher Ground Productions on Rustin and the importance of telling meaningful stories.Current Projects and Future Vision (41:27)The producer shares his excitement about discovering new talent and his upcoming projects, including Twinless with James Sweeney and Being Heumann, the story of disability rights activist Judy Heumann.Throughout this engaging conversation, David Permut embodies his own philosophy: "Die with your memories, not your dreams." From selling star maps to producing Oscar-nominated films, his journey demonstrates the power of passion and persistence in Hollywood. Whether creating blockbusters or meaningful dramas, Permut's enthusiasm for discovering new talent and telling important stories remains as strong as ever.If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: David PermutProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoAudio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment) For more information about David Permut:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_PermutIMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0674303/Variety: https://variety.com/exec/david-permut/ For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin Goetz
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn this episode of Don't Kill the Messenger, host Kevin Goetz sits down with Elizabeth Gabler, known for transforming literary works into cinematic successes. From her early days as an agent's assistant to becoming president of Fox 2000 and now Sony 3000 Pictures, Gabler shares insights from her remarkable career developing hit films like Life of Pi, The Devil Wears Prada, Mrs. Doubtfire, Marley and Me, and Where the Crawdads Sing.Early Career and Love of Reading (01:43)Gabler discusses her background in English literature and unexpected entry into entertainment, influenced by her early love of reading and her mother's influence as a librarian.United Artists and Early Development (10:12)The conversation explores her time at United Artists, working with industry legends like Jerry Weintraub and Billy Wilder, and developing projects like Roadhouse and Presumed Innocent that would later become successful films.Mrs. Doubtfire Development (13:30)Gabler shares the fascinating story of bringing Mrs. Doubtfire to the screen, including working with Robin Williams and director Chris Columbus, and overcoming initial skepticism about the project.Cast Away and Production Innovation (23:22)Discussion of the unique production process of Cast Away, including Tom Hanks' physical transformation and Robert Zemeckis making an entire other film during the production break.Life of Pi Journey (29:43)Elizabeth offers a detailed look at the challenging journey to bring Life of Pi to the screen, including Ang Lee's involvement and the innovative technical approaches required.Devil Wears Prada Casting (36:48)The pair discuss the casting process for The Devil Wears Prada, including securing Meryl Streep and Anne Hathaway, and the discovery of Emily Blunt.Current Projects and Personal Life (46:20)Gabler discusses her current project Klara and the Sun with director Taika Waititi and stars Jenna Ortega and Amy Adams, while also touching on personal aspects including the recent loss of her husband Lee.This intimate conversation reveals not just the mechanics of bringing books to screen, but the passion, persistence, and vision required to create lasting cinema. Gabler's deep love for storytelling and family themes runs throughout her work and this discussion, offering insights into how personal values can shape professional success.If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind-the-scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Elizabeth GablerProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoAudio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment) For more information about Elizabeth Gabler:Variety: https://variety.com/exec/elizabeth-gabler/IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1992894/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabeth-gabler-7b030a19 For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin Goetz
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn this episode of Don't Kill the Messenger, host Kevin Goetz welcomes director and producer Brad Furman, known for films like The Lincoln Lawyer, The Infiltrator, Runner Runner, The Take, and City of Lies. The episode opens with Furman reading a touching tribute letter he wrote after the passing of his friend, filmmaker John Singleton, setting the tone for an intimate conversation about perseverance, mentorship, and the evolution of his career.From Basketball to Film School (03:48)Furman shares his transition from college basketball at Emory to pursuing film at NYU's Tisch School of the Arts, discussing how his competitive sports background shaped his approach to filmmaking.Early Career and Notable Mentors (17:22)The conversation explores Furman's early career experiences, including working as Julia Roberts' assistant for three years, and learning from industry veterans like Cis Corman at Barbara Streisand's production company.A Family Affair with Shirley MacLaine (29:24)Furman discusses People Not Places, a project 12 years in the making that began with his mother Ellen Furman's screenplay specifically written for Shirley MacLaine. The film, starring MacLaine and Stephen Dorff, became Furman's "most beautiful experience" in filmmaking.City of Lies and Perseverance (33:05)Furman talks about getting City of Lies (starring Johnny Depp) released despite numerous obstacles, including corporate bankruptcies, the pandemic, and industry challenges.The Lincoln Lawyer Journey (37:33)Furman shares his regret about leaving Lakeshore Entertainment after the success of The Lincoln Lawyer. He reflects on lessons learned from working with Tom Rosenberg and the challenges of navigating studio politics.Current Projects (45:30)The episode concludes with Furman reflecting on his growth as both a filmmaker and father. He shares how his experiences have brought him to what he calls his "Michael Jordan years" - his prime as a filmmaker.From his early days making The Take with John Leguizamo, through the breakthrough success of The Lincoln Lawyerwith Matthew McConaughey, to battling to release City of Lies with Johnny Depp, and now creating intimate character studies like People Not Places with Shirley MacLaine, Brad Furman's career demonstrates remarkable range and resilience.If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind-the-scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Brad FurmanProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoAudio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)For more information about Brad Furman:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_FurmanIMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1026778/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bradfurman/?hl=enFor more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.com
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn this episode of Don't Kill the Messenger, host Kevin Goetz sits down with his good friend, mentor, and colleague, Catherine Paura, a pioneering force in entertainment research who co-founded National Research Group (NRG) in 1977. As an accomplished entrepreneur, Paura helped establish the foundation for modern movie research and marketing. From her humble beginnings to becoming one of Hollywood's most influential research experts, Paura shares insights from her career. The episode is particularly special as it features a conversation between two longtime friends - Paura and Goetz have maintained a close personal and professional relationship spanning nearly 40 years. Apocalypse Now and Early Movie Research (12:13)Paura discusses how she and Joe Farrell transformed movie marketing from a distribution model to a marketing-centric approach, working with early adopters like Francis Ford Coppola on Apocalypse Now.Evolution of Movie Marketing (20:34)The conversation explores how the transition to television advertising and wide releases created the need for sophisticated marketing research.The Power of Messaging (35:03)Paura emphasizes the continued importance of messaging in modern marketing.The Future of the Movie Industry (39:10)Paura shares her vision for the industry's future, predicting a continued shrinking of theatrical audiences due to changing habits and generational shifts. The pair discuss how COVID-19 accelerated existing trends and the impact of evolving entertainment consumption patterns.Life Lessons and Personal Growth (42:03)In a touching moment, Paura reveals her biggest career lesson came from her dying friend, who told her: "When you're dying, you'll never wish that you had worked one more day."The Art of Coaching (47:53)Paura discusses her current role as a professional coach, explaining how she combined her experience with formal training to help others create their own success stories.Catherine Paura and Kevin Goetz's 40-year friendship weaves throughout the episode, from their first meeting where Paura was counting questionnaires on theater steps to sharing pivotal life moments, including the loss of loved ones. Their evolving relationship demonstrates how professional relationships in Hollywood can transcend business. Their candid conversation reveals not just the evolution of movie research, but the importance of mentorship, mutual respect, and showing up for each other when it matters most.If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Catherine PauraProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoAudio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)For more information about Catherine Paura:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherine-paura-2098a63bSistina Coaching: https://sistinacoaching.com/IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0667474/For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.com
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn this episode of Don't Kill the Messenger, host Kevin Goetz interviews legendary producer Brian Grazer. As co-founder of Imagine Entertainment with Ron Howard, Grazer's films and television shows have earned 47 Oscar nominations and 242 Emmy nominations, with his movies grossing nearly $15 billion globally. Known for hits like A Beautiful Mind (which won him the Academy Award for Best Picture), Apollo 13, and Friday Night Lights. During the conversation, Grazer opens up about the power of curiosity, the secret to his 40-year partnership with Ron Howard, and the magic of connecting with audiences through emotionally resonant storytelling.The Power of Curiosity (03:38)Grazer shares how he built his career through "curiosity conversations" with industry legends, discussing his unique approach to meeting and talking with influential figures.Finding Creative Purpose (10:59)Grazer reflects on how watching E.T. transformed his understanding of cinema's emotional impact, inspiring him to create films that elevate audiences.The Heart of Storytelling (13:13)The producer discusses his philosophy that stories are designed to ignite emotion, and how he seeks projects that allow characters to achieve emotional transformation. Grazer believes that his greatest successes come from connecting to the soul of the material instead of merely making "business" decisions.Building Imagine Entertainment (26:13)The producer discusses his 40-year partnership with Ron Howard, explaining how their contrasting personalities and aligned values created a perfect collaboration.Oscar Night Memories (29:42)Grazer shares his Academy Award experience, starting with a surprising admission about Apollo 13's loss years earlier, and how his Best Picture win for A Beautiful Mind was a moment of redemption.The Art of Human Connection (37:06)Grazer discusses his two books, explaining how "A Curious Mind" explores curiosity as an engine. He shares how his second book, "Face to Face: The Art of Human Connection," was inspired by a profound interaction with his housekeeper.Brian Grazer's remarkable career demonstrates the power of curiosity, emotional storytelling, and human connection in creating impactful entertainment. From his early days selling newspaper subscriptions to winning an Oscar for A Beautiful Mind, Grazer's journey exemplifies how maintaining humility, following one's instincts, and seeking deeper meaning in stories can lead to extraordinary success in Hollywood.If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Brian GrazerProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoAudio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)For more information about Brian Grazer:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_GrazerInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/briangrazer/IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004976/For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: ww
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn this episode of Don't Kill the Messenger, host Kevin Goetz interviews David Friendly, whose remarkable career transition from journalism to film production led to an Academy Award nomination for Best Picture with Little Miss Sunshine. David worked with industry giants like Ron Howard and Brian Grazer before establishing himself as a successful producer. His producing credits include Courage Under Fire, Dr. Dolittle, Big Momma's House, Laws of Attraction, and the hit USA Network series Queen of the South. In this conversation, Friendly shares candid stories about his career transition, the making of Little Miss Sunshine, lessons learned from his mentors, and his perspective on an ever-changing industry.From Journalism to Hollywood: A Bold Career Change (06:12)David Friendly reflects on his nine-year journalism career at Newsweek and the LA Times, where his coverage of the entertainment industry sparked his desire to make movies.Backdraft and the Imagine Years (13:41)Friendly talks about discovering Backdraft, which became his first major success. This marked the beginning of a successful tenure that included projects like My Girl and Kindergarten Cop.Learning from Hollywood's Best (24:12)Friendly shares how Ron Howard and Brian Grazer's mentorship continues to influence his producing decisions years later, with their voices still guiding him through difficult situations.The Making of Little Miss Sunshine and an Oscar Nomination (32:02)Friendly discusses Little Miss Sunshine, assembling an outstanding ensemble cast including Steve Carell, and the thrill of receiving an Academy Award nomination for Best Picture.The Joy and Anxiety of Test Screenings (41:30)Friendly offers unique insight into a producer's perspective on audience test screenings, describing the intense anxiety of waiting for audience reactions.Producing in a Rapidly Changing Environment (45:24)Friendly emphasizes the importance of adapting to changing markets, as demonstrated by his successful venture into television with Queen of the South.Friendly's guiding philosophy of acceptance and gratitude offers wisdom for navigating a career in an ever-evolving business. Through all its iterations, from journalism to blockbuster films to streaming television, Friendly's career shows that success in Hollywood requires not just talent, but also the ability to learn from mentors, trust one's instincts, and the ability to adapt.If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: David FriendlyProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoAudio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)For more information about David Friendly:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_T._FriendlyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/davidtfriendly/IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0295560/For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin Goetz
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," host Kevin Goetz sits down with Gary Lucchesi, the acclaimed producer and former President of the Producer's Guild of America. From his early days as a talent agent at William Morris to his tenure as President of Production at Paramount Pictures, Gary has been a driving force behind numerous hit films. As a producer, his credits include Primal Fear, Million Dollar Baby, The Lincoln Lawyer, and Runaway Bride, among many others. In this insightful conversation, Gary shares stories from his career, discussing the art of assembling the right talent, the power of test screenings, and his thoughts on the future of the film industry.From William Morris to Hollywood Heavyweight (07:41)Gary talks about his early days at the William Morris Agency and the lessons he learned from mentors like Stan Kamen. He shares stories about signing talent like Michelle Pfeiffer and Kevin Costner.The Paramount Years (17:45)Gary discusses his tenure as President of Production at Paramount Pictures, where he oversaw films like The Hunt for Red October and Fatal Attraction.Saving Fatal Attraction with a New Ending (21:25)Gary shares the story of how a focus group and audience test screening led to a major change in the ending of Fatal Attraction, turning it from a "bummer" into a box office hit.Producing Primal Fear and Discovering Edward Norton (28:21)Gary dives into the making of Primal Fear, discussing the casting process and how Edward Norton's brilliant audition won him the career-launching role over other contenders like Leonardo DiCaprio.Million Dollar Baby and the Road to the Oscars (33:15)Gary shares the journey of making Million Dollar Baby, from the script's origins to Clint Eastwood's involvement to the film's Academy Award.Bringing Andrew Lloyd Weber to the Big Screen (37:08)Gary talks about his time working with Andrew Lloyd Weber and bringing musicals like Sunset Boulevard and Cats to the screen.The Shifting Landscape of the Film Industry (42:38)Kevin and Gary discuss the seismic changes in the film business. Gary shares his optimism about the next generation reinventing the industry.Gary Lucchesi brings his passion for producing, his keen eye for talent, and his deep understanding of the filmmaking process to this conversation with his friend, and host, Kevin Goetz. For anyone interested in the art and business of filmmaking, this episode offers a front-row seat to one of the industry's most accomplished and respected producers.If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind-the-scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Gary LucchesiProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoAudio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)For more information about Gary Lucchesi:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_LucchesiIMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0524342/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gary-lucchesi-26204127a For more information about Kevin Goetz: Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen E
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," host Kevin Goetz sits down with George Folsey Jr., the legendary film editor and producer whose illustrious career spans over five decades. Folsey Jr. has collaborated with acclaimed directors like John Landis, Eli Roth, and Paul Feig and is known for his work on films including Trading Places, An American Werewolf in London, The Blues Brothers, and Michael Jackson's groundbreaking music video, Thriller. Growing Up in Hollywood's Golden Age (02:00)George recalls his childhood experiences at MGM Studios, including encounters with stars like Judy Garland, Mickey Rooney, and Esther Williams.Learning the Craft (05:36)George discusses his entry into film editing, starting at KABC and learning from mentor Henry Berman at MGM. The Making of Trading Places (10:07)The conversation turns to Trading Places, which George considers one of his favorite projects. He discusses the challenging relationship with producer Aaron Russo and filming in Philadelphia.The Twilight Zone Tragedy (11:53)George and Kevin discuss the tragic accident on The Twilight Zone set and its impact on George's life and career.The Art of the "Fix" (15:42)George explains his approach to "fixing" troubled films, emphasizing the importance of collaboration rather than alienating the original filmmakers.The Animal House Experience (20:44)In a fascinating revelation about one of comedy's most beloved films, George discusses how Animal House was made without traditional test screenings.On Test Screenings and Audience Feedback (26:22)George strongly advocates for the test screening process, arguing that understanding audience reactions is crucial given the massive investments in both money and careers at stake. He demonstrates this philosophy in his work on Cheaper by the Dozen.Working with Michael Jackson on Thriller (37:18)George shares personal stories about working with Michael Jackson, including anecdotes about their time together during the editing of Thriller and family visits to Jackson's home.George Folsey Jr. offers a masterclass in film editing and production. His candid insights into working with directors like John Landis and Paul Feig, collaborating with Michael Jackson on Thriller, and helping shape classics like Trading Places and Animal House offer listeners a glimpse into the craft of film editing. His honest discussion of career challenges, including the Twilight Zone tragedy, and his philosophy on film editing and test screenings reveals not only his technical expertise but also his passion for storytelling and audience engagement. Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: George Folsey Jr.Producer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoAudio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)For more info about George Folsey Jr.:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Folsey_Jr.IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0284390/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/george-folsey-jr-93951283For more info about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audi
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," host Kevin Goetz sits down with Susan Cartsonis, a renowned producer and former studio executive known for championing women's stories in Hollywood. From 20th Century Fox to independent producing, Susan has been behind hits like What Women Want, Where the Heart Is, Aquamarine, Sitting in Bars with Cake, and True Sprit. She shares her journey in the film industry, her passion for storytelling, and her commitment to bringing diverse perspectives to the screen.From Theater to Hollywood: Susan's Early Career (04:32)Susan recounts her transition from theater studies to the film industry, starting as a reader at 20th Century Fox in New York.Favorite Projects at Fox: A Legacy of Impactful Films (19:07)Susan reflects on some of her projects including Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Dying Young, working with Bette Midler on For the Boys, and with Jodie Foster on Nell.Going toe to toe with Barry Diller for Sleeping With the Enemy (24:17)Susan shares a memorable story about standing up to Barry Diller in a meeting, advocating for projects she believed in.The Birth of Home Alone (29:25)Susan reveals how her personal family experience helped convince executives to greenlight the beloved classic Home Alone.Producing What Women Want and Championing Women's Stories (31:25)Susan discusses her involvement in producing What Women Want and her passion for supporting women filmmakers and telling stories from diverse perspectives, drawing inspiration from classic films like The Wizard of Oz.The Importance of Inclusion and Female Leadership (39:07)Kevin and Susan discuss the value of inclusive storytelling and advocate for more female leadership in Hollywood and beyond.Balancing Art and Audience in Filmmaking (47:40)Kevin and Susan discuss the delicate balance between honoring artistic vision and meeting audience expectations in film production.The Value of Audience Testing and Interpretation (53:44)Susan praises Kevin's ability to interpret audience feedback and find the "note beneath the note" in test screenings.Susan Cartsonis' passion for women's voices and her experiences as both a studio executive and producer provide listeners with a unique perspective on the film industry. From her work on blockbusters like Nell and Buffy the Vampire Slayer to more recent projects like Carrie Pilby and Beastly, Susan's career highlights the power of storytelling and the importance of representation in cinema.If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Susan CartsonisProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoAudio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)For more information about Susan Cartsonis:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_CartsonisIMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0142134/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/susancartsonis/?hl=enFor more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoet
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," host Kevin Goetz sits down with Spring Aspers, the Grammy-nominated President of Sony Pictures Music Group. With a career spanning from intern to President, Spring has become a powerhouse in the film music industry. Her work on blockbuster soundtracks like Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Versehas earned her critical acclaim and a Grammy nod. As the executive behind numerous hit movie soundtracks and a champion for emerging artists, Spring shares her process for choosing music for a film's soundtrack, and discusses the details of music supervision in film.From Bohemian Roots to Music Executive (03:43)Spring recounts her unconventional upbringing in New York's art scene and how it shaped her passion for music.The Anatomy of Film Soundtracks (07:54)Spring shares a breakdown of the various roles in film music, from coordinators to executives, and their responsibilities. The pair also discuss the copyright intricacies in film soundtracks.Emotional Resonance: Music in It Ends with Us (10:36)Kevin and Spring talk about her involvement with the film "It Ends With Us." They discuss how the music added emotional depth the story.The "Sunflower" Story and The Grammys (18:56)Spring discusses her involvement in the song "Sunflower" by Post Malone and Swae Lee for Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse and her Grammy nomination experience. She shares her thoughts on the importance of capturing the essence of a character through music and how "Sunflower" embodied the spirit of Miles Morales.The Art of Musical Matchmaking (27:20)Spring offers insights into her process of discovering artists and pairing the perfect music with film projects. She describes herself as a "musical matchmaker," always seeking to find the right sound that resonates with the heart of the story.Music in Filmmaking (31:39)Spring shares the challenges of integrating music into the filmmaking process and meeting tight deadlines.The Future of Music: AI and the Human Touch (33:52)Kevin and Spring discuss the role of AI in the music industry and the value of human creativity. Spring has an optimistic view, acknowledging AI's potential as a tool while emphasizing the enduring importance of human energy and creativity in music.Spring Aspers offers her insight on the intersection of music and film, emphasizing the importance of creativity and the power of music to enhance storytelling. Her passion for discovering new talent and creating memorable cinematic experiences shines throughout the conversation, providing listeners with valuable insights into the world of music in film.Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Spring AspersProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoAudio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)For more information about Spring Aspers:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/spring-aspers-876b063IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0039650/Variety: https://variety.com/2019/music/news/spring-aspers-sony-pictures-president-music-1203356656/For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, X/Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Lin
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," host Kevin Goetz sits down with Hollywood power couple Paula Wagner and Rick Nicita. Wagner has worked in the top ranks of the entertainment industry as a talent agent, studio executive, and producer. She co-founded Cruise/Wagner Productions with Tom Cruise, producing blockbuster hits like the "Mission: Impossible" franchise. Nicita worked as a successful talent agent for 5 decades before turning to production and consultation. He is currently Chairman of the American Cinematheque. Together, Wagner and Nicita offer insight into cultivating some of the most successful careers in Hollywood.Early Careers and Transition to Becoming Agents (02:21)Paula Wagner shares her journey from actress to agent while Rick Nicita recounts his path from law school dropout to William Morris. The couple then talk about how they met.Hollywood Speed Round and the Art of Being an Agent (14:45)Rick talks about some famous clients including Kevin Costner and Nicole Kidman in a celebrity speed round, and the trio discuss negotiating deals, choosing the right projects, and the importance of building long-term relationships.Memorable Career Moments (28:04)Paula talks about her involvement with Tom Cruise in Rain Man and Born on the 4th of July, and Rick discusses shares his experiences with high profile clients.Cruise/Wagner Productions and United Artists (32:57)Paula discusses her partnership with Tom Cruise, and the pair share the challenges of reviving United Artists while navigating industry changes and economic crises.The Changing Landscape of Hollywood (40:00)The trio discuss stardom, and how it has changed over the years, delving into the challenges of creating new movie stars and the future of audience engagement and storytelling.Broadway and Beyond (48:00)Paula shares about her transition to Broadway producing and her upcoming projects High Noon, and The Others. The couple reflects on the art of balancing film and theater productions.Paula Wagner and Rick Nicita's careers offer a unique, insider perspective on the genesis of some of Hollywood's biggest names. Wagner's journey from actress to top agent, then to successful film producer and now Broadway impresario, demonstrates her versatility and understanding of the creative process. Nicita's legacy as an agent and his transition to production and consulting highlight his expertise in talent management. Together, their experiences provide for a fascinating and inside look at how stars become stars.Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Paula Wagner and Rick NicitaProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoAudio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)For more information about Paula Wagner:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_WagnerX (Formerly Twitter): https://x.com/producerpwagnerIMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0906048/For more information about Rick Nicita:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_NicitaX (Formerly Twitter): https://x.com/ricknicita?lang=enIMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1131362/For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book:
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn this special 50th episode of Don't Kill the Messenger, host Kevin Goetz interviews one of Hollywood's most successful and versatile directors, Ron Howard. His extraordinary career spans over six decades, starting as a child actor including roles on The Andy Griffith Show and Happy Days before emerging as a director at the age of 23. Howard's directorial achievements include critical and commercial successes such as Splash, Cocoon, Parenthood, Apollo 13, A Beautiful Mind (for which he won the Academy Award for Best Director), Rush, Thirteen Lives, and the upcoming Eden. In this intimate conversation, Howard discusses his remarkable journey, his philosophy on maintaining artistic vision while always respecting the audience's point of view, and his experiences working with some of Hollywood's biggest names.Early Career and Transition to Directing (02:49)Ron Howard discusses his journey from child actor to director, highlighting his experiences on The Andy Griffith Showand his transition from Happy Days to directing, including his early collaboration with Brian Grazer.Working with Bette Davis as a Young Director (20:00)Howard recounts his experience directing Bette Davis when he was 25, sharing the challenges and valuable lessons learned from working with the legendary actress.Ron's Approach to Filmmaking (28:22)The director explains his philosophy of creating an environment for actors to excel and his focus on understanding and communicating stories in line with audience expectations.Ron Howard on his Notable Films and Career Highlights (31:14)Howard reflects on his favorite projects and the diversity of his filmography.And the Oscar Goes to… (36:16)Ron Howard shares the emotional experience of winning Best Director for A Beautiful Mind, including an inside story about Mel Gibson presenting the award.Unexpected Projects: Directing Solo: A Star Wars Story (40:04)The filmmaker discusses taking on the Star Wars project under unique circumstances and his experience working in the iconic universe.Balancing Art and Audience (43:22)Ron Howard explains his approach to balancing artistic vision with audience expectations, emphasizing the importance of using audience feedback to inform creative decisions.Ron Howard's career is a testament to his enduring talent, adaptability, and passion for storytelling. From his early days as Opie on The Andy Griffith Show to winning an Oscar for A Beautiful Mind, Howard has consistently delivered compelling narratives across a wide variety of genres. His ability to balance artistic vision with audience expectations has resulted in an acclaimed body of work that resonates with both critics and viewers. Ron Howard remains a well-loved and innovative figure in Hollywood, always seeking to push the boundaries of his craft while maintaining a deep respect for the audience.Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Ron HowardProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, Dax Ross, Nick Nunez, and Kari CampanoAudio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)For more information about Ron Howard:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_HowardX (Formerly Twitter): https://twitter.com/RealRonHowardIMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000165/For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Faceboo
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn this episode of Don't Kill the Messenger, host Kevin Goetz sits down with a trailblazing figure in the entertainment industry, Cheryl Boone Isaacs. As a public relations and marketing executive, Cheryl has worked on marketing campaigns for over 300 films, including Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Forrest Gump, and The King's Speech. As the first African American and first person of color to serve as president of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, Cheryl shares her experiences, insights, and the journey that led her to become a pivotal force for change in Hollywood.#OscarsSoWhite (02:44)Kevin and Cheryl discuss the #OscarsSoWhite movement, Cheryl's role as president of The Academy, and her quest to implement inclusion initiatives.Lessons Learned Early (09:02)Cheryl talks about some good advice the stuck with her through the years – you don't know enough to ask the right questions.Early Career and Hollywood Journey (20:33)Cheryl and Kevin discuss Cheryl's background, growing up in Springfield, Massachusetts, her brother, Ashley Boone, and his influence on her career in Hollywood.Personal Experiences in the Industry (27:45)Cheryl shares some challenges she faced as an African American woman in Hollywood along with memorable moments from her publicity career including her first job working on Close Encounters of the Third Kind.Notable African American Figures in Hollywood (34:01)Kevin asks Cheryl for her quick takes on influential individuals like Spike Lee, Ava DuVernay, and others.Teaching and Mentoring the Next Generation (38:53)Cheryl shares her approach to educating film students and the importance of understanding filmmaking as a collaborative process.The Future of Hollywood and Diversity (40:55)Cheryl offers insights on the progress made and challenges ahead along with the importance of collaborative voices in the creative process.Throughout her career, Cheryl Boone Isaacs has broken barriers. From her start in marketing, to her role as president of The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, and continuing with her current position of guiding future filmmakers at the Sidney Poitier New American Film School, Boone Isaacs offers valuable lessons for those entering the film world, reinforcing the importance of diversity, collaboration, and perseverance in Hollywood. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Cheryl Boone IsaacsProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoAudio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)For more information about Cheryl Boone Isaacs:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheryl_Boone_IsaacsSidney Poitier New American Film School: https://search.asu.edu/profile/4102960IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3723795/For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.com
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn this episode of Don't Kill the Messenger, host Kevin Goetz interviews the directing, producing, and writing team of Will Speck and Josh Gordon. This talented duo has made their mark across various media, directing feature films such as Blades of Glory, Office Christmas Party, and Lyle, Lyle, Crocodile. They've also created iconic commercials, including the Geico caveman and gecko campaigns, and ventured into television with their animated series Hit-Monkey on Hulu. The pair discusses their journey from film school to becoming successful filmmakers, their experiences with test screenings, and insights into their creative process across different mediums.Film School and an Early Partnership (02:00)The pair share how they met in NYU film school and started collaborating. The discussion turns to their first jobs in the industry and their transition from New York to Los Angeles.Blades of Glory and an Intense Audience Screening (9:41)Kevin asks Will and Josh about the making of Blades of Glory and their first test screening experience.“Even a Caveman can do it” -- Commercial Work (20:37)The pair discuss their work on famous commercials like the Geico caveman and gecko commercials, and how commercial work has influenced their filmmaking.Recent Projects and Creative Growth (30:41)Josh and Will share details about their animated series Hit Monkey on Hulu and their reflections on making the musical film Lyle, Lyle, Crocodile.Career Reflections and Advice to Young Filmmakers (32:09)Josh shares his proudest achievement: an impactful PSA on organ donation and Will discusses the importance of their partnership.Upcoming Projects and Industry Outlook (41:00)The pair share their thoughts on the future of the film industry and discuss their upcoming projects, including an adaptation of "The Wedding People" with Nicole Holofcener.Will Speck and Josh Gordon offer a unique perspective on navigating the film industry as a writing, directing, and producing duo. Their experience across different mediums - from commercials to feature films to streaming content - demonstrates the value of maintaining a varied portfolio of work while continually pushing creative boundaries and nurturing a productive partnership. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!Host: Kevin GoetzGuests: Will Speck and Josh GordonProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoAudio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)For more information about Will Speck and Josh Gordon:Speck Gordon, Inc.: https://www.speckgordon.com/homeIMDB (Josh Gordon): https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0330347/IMDB (Will Speck): https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0817447/Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Speck_and_Josh_GordonFor more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.com
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn this episode of Don't Kill the Messenger, Kevin Goetz sits down with DeVon Franklin, film and TV producer, bestselling author, motivational speaker, and former studio executive. Franklin is known for his work on inspirational films such as Breakthrough, Miracles from Heaven, and Flamin' Hot, as well as the BET series Kingdom Business. With a unique blend of faith, business savvy, and creative vision, Franklin has bridged the gap between mainstream entertainment and faith-based content. The conversation explores Franklin's journey in the entertainment industry, his approach to faith-based filmmaking, and his insights on what makes a successful movie.DeVon's Background (02:10)Kevin and DeVon discuss DeVon's values and background in spirituality, and how his upbringing, family, and early influences shaped his views.Early Career and Overbrook Entertainment (11:03)Franklin talks about his internship experiences and work with Will Smith's production company, Overbrook entertainment, and the lessons he learned from working with high-profile talent.Transition to Studio Executive (16:57)Franklin shares his studio experiences at MGM and later Sony Pictures where he rose to become a senior executive. Faith-Based Filmmaking (23:49)Kevin and DeVon discuss what defines a faith-based film, and the pair analyze successful projects like Miracles from Heaven and Heaven is for Real. The talk turns to challenges and opportunities in the faith-based market.Understanding the Audience (34:08)Franklin touches on his approach to marketing faith-based films and the importance of knowing your audience as well as tailoring strategies for reaching both faith-based and mainstream audiences.Current Projects and Working with Tyler Perry (36:05)Franklin shares details on his upcoming film Relationship Goals. He discusses his partnership with Tyler Perry for Netflix.Lessons from Past Projects (41:39)Kevin and DeVon discuss DeVon's animated film, The Star, and its performance which leads to reflections on learning from both successes and challenges in the industry.DeVon Franklin's journey in Hollywood serves as a testament to the power of combining faith, business acumen, and a deep understanding of audiences. Throughout the conversation, Franklin offers insights into the nuances of faith-based filmmaking, the importance of marketing strategies, and the evolving landscape of entertainment. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: DeVon FranklinProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoAudio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)For more information about DeVon Franklin:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeVon_FranklinInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/devonfranklin/IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2035952/For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.Scre
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn Part 2 of this 2-part episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," host Kevin Goetz sits down with the iconic Sharon Stone to discuss her journey through Hollywood, her experiences with fame, and her philanthropic endeavors. Stone shares personal stories about her rise to stardom, her approach to acting and producing, and lessons she has learned along the way.Basic Instinct (00:53)With the premiere of Basic Instinct at Cannes, Sharon Stone went from being a working actress to an international movie star. She discusses her experience at the Cannes Film Festival and describes the fan reaction and her sudden rise to fame.Navigating Fame (08:57)Sharon talks about preparing for red carpet events, and Kevin shares a story about what it was like to accompany Sharon in Cannes.Mentors in Hollywood (13:45)Sharon discusses the guidance she received from established actresses like Faye Dunaway, Shirley MacLaine, Diane Cannon, Angie Dickinson, and others who helped her with advice on the realities of fame.Producing and Casting Instincts (17:38)Sharon talks about her role in producing The Mighty. Kevin and Sharon discuss her eye for recognizing promising actors like Russell Crowe and Leonardo DiCaprio.Philanthropy and AIDS Advocacy (27:36)Sharon shares the origins of her involvement with amfAR and discusses the personal and professional impact of her advocacy work. Stone's commitment to AIDS advocacy showcases her willingness to use her platform for meaningful change, even at a potential cost to her career.Balancing Career and Authenticity (34:56)Sharon addresses misconceptions about being "difficult" in the industry and emphasizes her professionalism and work ethic on set.Parenting and Personal Growth (39:08)Sharon reflects on the challenges and rewards of being a parent and discusses the impact of parenthood on her personal development.In Part Two of this two-part interview, Sharon reveals the depth of her character beyond her silver screen persona. From her candid reflections on fame to her commitment to philanthropy, Stone shows how she uses her platform for good. Her friendship with Kevin Goetz adds a personal touch to the conversation. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Sharon StoneProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoAudio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)For more information about Sharon Stone:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharon_StoneInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/sharonstone/?hl=enIMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0629334/For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.com
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," Kevin Goetz sits down with his longtime friend, the legendary actress Sharon Stone. Sharon shares intimate stories about her upbringing, her journey into modeling and acting, and the challenges she has faced in the entertainment industry.Humble Beginnings (2:00)Sharon discusses her upbringing in the small farming community of Meadville, Pennsylvania, where her family struggled financially.A Painful Childhood Lesson (9:12)Sharon shares a painful childhood memory of being slapped by a popular girl in school, drawing parallels to the challenges she has faced in Hollywood. Kevin describes it as trying to “slap the different out of you,” and praises Sharon for persevering while opening herself up to criticism and ridicule.The Craft of Acting (12:13)Sharon and Kevin discuss her approach to acting and her preference for working with directors like Martin Scorcese in Casino, Paul Verhoeven in Basic Instinct, and Albert Brooks in The Muse, who prioritize the craft over ego. She stresses that she has never accepted a role solely for the money, always prioritizing the quality of the work.Fair Compensation (15:56)Sharon discusses the pay disparity between male and female actors in Hollywood, advocating for fair compensation. She highlights the importance of knowing her worth in the overall value of her films.The Magic of Movies (18:22)Sharon and Kevin talk about the importance of the moviegoing experience and the need for studio executives to understand the emotional connection people have with films. She stresses the significance of creating movies with emotional intelligence that evoke powerful emotions.From Small-Town Beauty Queen to Model (20:29)Sharon recounts her journey into modeling, starting with her participation in the Miss Crawford County pageant and her encounter with Muhammad Ali.Working with Woody Allen and James Caan (25:39)Sharon shares her experience getting her start as an extra on Woody Allen's Stardust Memories and how her part was expanded after impressing the director and cinematographer. She also discusses her instant rapport with James Caan on the set of a Claude Lelouch film.In Part One of this two-part interview, Sharon Stone opens up about her journey from being a studious, small-town girl to a Hollywood icon through talent, perseverance, and commitment to her craft. Through this candid conversation with her close friend, Kevin Goetz, listeners gain an intimate look at the person behind the persona. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Sharon StoneProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoAudio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)For more information about Sharon Stone:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharon_StoneInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/sharonstone/?hl=enIMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0629334/For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @K
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," Kevin Goetz sits down with director and producer, Joseph McGinty Nichol, better known as McG. They discuss McG's journey in the entertainment industry, starting with music videos and leading to his directorial debut with Charlie's Angels, which had, at the time, the highest-grossing opening weekend for a directorial debut. Through his production company, Wonderland Sound and Vision, McG has overseen the production of films and television shows such as Terminator Salvation, This Means War, We Are Marshall, and Family Switch along with The OC, and Turner and Hooch for television. In this personal conversation, McG also touches on his struggles with agoraphobia, and the importance of audience feedback in the filmmaking process.First Time Director with a Huge Budget (1:39)McG shares his experience directing his first full-length feature film, Charlie's Angels, how Drew Barrymore helped him get the job, and how he nearly got fired multiple times due to the studio's concerns about the film's direction.Living with Agoraphobia and Panic Attacks (9:51)McG opens up about his struggles with agoraphobia, how it affected his career, including being fired from Superman Returns, and his path to live with the challenge.Music Videos and Style in Filmmaking (21:49)Kevin and McG discuss how music videos have influenced filmmakers like McG, Spike Jonze, Michael Bay, and David Fincher, helping them develop unique styles and voices in the industry.The Secret to Success: Audience Testing (24:08)McG reveals one of his secrets to success: working with Kevin Goetz and his audience testing process, which has helped him improve his films and connect with viewers.Incorporating Audience Feedback on We Are Marshall (29:48)McG recalls a specific audience feedback moment that led to a significant change in We Are Marshall, highlighting the importance of listening to, learning from, and respecting the audience.Mentors and Influences (36:37)McG discusses his primary filmmaking influences, including Alfred Hitchcock and Quentin Tarantino.Kevin Goetz and McG explore the director's journey in the entertainment industry, his personal struggles, and the importance of audience feedback in the filmmaking process. The interview highlights the unique bond between the filmmaker and the audience researcher, showcasing how their collaboration can elevate a film's success. The pair close by discussing McG's upcoming projects, Way of the Warrior Kid and Uglies. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: McGProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoAudio Engineer: Gary Forbes, DG EntertainmentFor more information about McG:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McGInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/mcgfilm/IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0629334/For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website:
Send Kevin a Text MessageIn this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," Kevin Goetz sits down with Greg Foster, former CEO of IMAX Entertainment and current owner of the entertainment and media consulting firm, Foster + Crew. Foster grew up immersed in the world of Hollywood, with a father who was a successful film producer. This early exposure to the industry laid the foundation for Foster's career. From his childhood memories of rubbing elbows with Hollywood royalty, to his pivotal role in the evolution of IMAX, to his more recent experiences as a sought-after consultant, Foster shares insider stories along with a unique perspective on the business of moviemaking and the cinematic experience.Growing up in Hollywood and a memorable encounter with Mel Brooks (3:09)Foster discusses his upbringing in Beverly Hills and the influence of his father, David Foster, a successful film producer, on his career path. He recounts a memorable experience early in his career at MGM/UA, where he delivered test screening results to Mel Brooks for the movie Spaceballs.Steve McQueen, Ali MacGraw, and Greg's Father (16:12)Foster shares a story about his father's involvement in the production of The Getaway, starring Steve McQueen and Ali MacGraw, and the confrontation that ensued when MacGraw's then-husband, Robert Evans, discovered the affair between the two stars.Apollo 13 and the evolution of IMAX (22:22)The pair discuss the transformation of IMAX to a premier movie experience. IMAX's 2002 re-release partnership with Apollo 13, originally produced in 1995 by Academy Award winner Brian Grazer and directed by Oscar winner Ron Howard, marked a turning point for the company. It was the first Hollywood movie to be digitally remastered using IMAX DMR technology, showcasing IMAX's ability to enhance the emotional experience of a film.Christopher Nolan and Batman Begins (29:15)Kevin and Greg talk about the critical role of Warner Bros. and Christopher Nolan in the growth of IMAX, particularly with the release of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.Consulting with Foster + Crew (38:47)Greg shares insights into his consulting firm, Foster + Crew, and the various services he provides to his clients in the entertainment industry.The future of cinema in the streaming era (44:11)Kevin and Greg touch on the impact of streaming on the theatrical experience and the future of cinema, post COVID, Barbenheimer and the 2023 Hollywood strikes.From his early days at MGM/UA to his pivotal role in transforming IMAX into a global cinematic powerhouse, Foster's stories offer a fascinating glimpse into the evolving landscape of the film industry. Foster remains optimistic about the future of moviegoing, particularly with the impressive slate of films set for release in 2025. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Greg FosterProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoFor more information about Greg Foster:Variety: https://variety.com/exec/greg-foster/For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website:
In this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," entertainment research expert Kevin Goetz engages in an insightful conversation with Bill Block, a renowned agent, executive producer, and former studio head. As a producer, Block played a pivotal role in the groundbreaking success of The Blair Witch Project. Block's other films include the Oscar-nominated The Holdovers, Bad Moms, the critically acclaimed Fury, and the upcoming film Here starring Tom Hanks and Robin Wright. The pair delve into Block's remarkable career, the critical role of audience research in filmmaking, and the potential impact of artificial intelligence on the entertainment industry.Bill Block's background and early career (1:47)Bill shares his journey from starting as a secretary at the Irv Schechter agency to becoming a successful agent then moving on to form Artisan Entertainment.The acquisition of Live Entertainment and the success of The Blair Witch Project (7:12)Block shares the story behind the acquisition and distribution of The Blair Witch Project, a groundbreaking film that defied traditional marketing strategies and became a massive success.Using audience research to make decisions on the Halloween franchise reboot (15:37)Kevin and Bill discuss how audience research played a crucial role in the decision-making process for the Halloween franchise reboot.Navigating the complexities of film financing (24:37)Kevin and Bill discuss the financial deals behind Oliver Stone's W., Bad Moms, and Jason Statham action films.Bill's insights on packaging and financing independent films (35:39)Block discusses the importance of attaching talent, securing presales, and finding the right equity partners to fill the financing gap. Block touches on films he has been involved with like Bad Moms, Fury, and Guy Ritchie's The Gentleman.The potential impact of AI on the entertainment industry (41:19)Bill and Kevin explore the rapidly advancing world of artificial intelligence and its potential to disrupt the entertainment industry.Bill Block's extensive experience, combining financial expertise with respect for the audience, makes him an invaluable voice in the entertainment industry. His insights into the evolving landscape of film financing, distribution, and the integration of artificial intelligence demonstrate his ability to navigate the complexities of the business. His stories and observations, shared in this engaging conversation with Kevin, offer a fascinating glimpse into the future of filmmaking. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. Next Guest: Greg Foster, Former CEO of IMAX EntertainmentHost: Kevin GoetzGuest: Bill BlockProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoFor more information about Bill Block:IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1088848/Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_BlockLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bill-block-ba3525104For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com46s Film Making 46s: Filmmakers talk origins, challenges, budgets, and profits.Listen on: Apple Podcasts Spotify
In this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," host Kevin Goetz sits down with veteran producer Carol Baum, whose impressive career includes working with Hollywood icons such as Dolly Parton, Barbara Streisand, Robert De Niro, Zendaya, and Steve Martin. Carol shares stories and insights from her decades in the film industry, discussing her work on memorable films like "Father of the Bride," "The Good Girl," "Dead Ringers," and "Flyaway Home." She also shares candid experiences as a studio executive at Fox and Lorimar, where she developed classic films like "Officer and a Gentleman" and "The Dead Zone." With the recent release of her book, "Creative Producing," Carol provides a wealth of knowledge for aspiring filmmakers and industry professionals.Carol's Early Career and Education (07:42)Carol discusses her early career, how a girl from South Orange, New Jersey with no Hollywood connections landed a job in publishing at Bantam Books, where she discovered "The Autobiography of Malcolm X" and how she went on to produce classic movies.Studio Executive Roles (24:28)As a studio executive, Carol worked with Jon Peters' company, where she learned the importance of a positive work environment. She then moved on to Fox, working under Joe Wizan, and experienced a culture shift when Larry Gordon and Scott Rudin joined the studio. At Lorimar, Carol developed classic films such as "An Officer and a Gentleman" and "The Dead Zone."Father of the Bride, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and Sandollar Productions (30:17)Carol shares stories of working with Sandy Gallin and Dolly Parton at Sandollar Productions where she produced successful films like "Father of the Bride" and "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" while collaborating with Howard Rosenman.Creative Producing (38:10)Carol discusses her book, Creative Producing, where she emphasizes the importance of the development process and working closely with writers to refine scripts and make them better.Working with Stars Like Barbara Streisand, Steve Martin, and a Young Zendaya (42:53)Carol shares her love for actors and their role in getting projects made. She considers Anthony Hopkins one of the greatest living actors and recounts her experiences working with Barbara Streisand, Steve Martin, and a young Zendaya.Carol Baum's love for movies shines through and shows why she is so valuable to the film industry. Her willingness to share her experiences and lessons in this episode as well as in her book, Creative Producing, are sure to inspire and guide countless filmmakers If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Carol BaumProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoFor more information about Carol Baum:IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0062071/Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_BaumWebsite: https://www.carolfriedlandbaum.com/For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.com
In this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," host Kevin Goetz sits down with Melva Benoit, founder and president of the Marian Dupree Group. A trailblazer in research and consumer insights, Benoit has held senior executive positions in major media companies including Viacom, Disney, Turner, NBC Universal, and Fox. Together, they delve into her rich background in television market research, discussing her unique insights and experiences in the entertainment industry.Benoit's Early Career (06:01)Growing up in Houston, Texas, Benoit developed a love for television and aspired to be in charge of Saturday morning cartoons. She attended Howard University and began her career in research at King World, eventually moving to Cartoon Network and Comedy Central.The Role of Research in Television (09:55)Benoit explains the three main functions of research within media institutions: keeping the lights on, taking requests, and anticipating stakeholders' needs. She emphasizes the importance of research teams contributing to meetings even when there isn't a direct need for research.Analyzing Successful TV Shows – Seinfeld, Friends, and South Park (20:08)Benoit discusses the testing and success of shows like Seinfeld (20:08), Friends (23:57), and South Park (40:26). She highlights the importance of understanding how audiences learn to watch and relate to characters in television shows.The Changing Landscape of Media (27:47)The pair discuss the importance of the audience and the challenges of targeted advertising and the need for a more nuanced approach to understanding audiences.Reframing Audience Measurement (29:20)Goetz and Benoit discuss a new way of looking at marketing to consumers, focusing on shared attitudes, behaviors, and values rather than solely relying on demographic information. They emphasize the importance of reaching diverse audiences and the need for the advertising industry to adapt to this new way of thinking.Melva Benoit's insights into the world of television market research shed light on the complex relationship between content creators, audiences, and advertisers. By advocating for a more nuanced understanding of entertainment consumers and embracing the changing media landscape, Benoit and Goetz offer a unique vision for the future of the industry. This engaging conversation highlights the importance of adaptability, creativity, and audience-centric thinking in the changing media landscape. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Melva BenoitProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoFor more information about Melva Benoit:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melvabenoit/Twitter: https://twitter.com/MelvagBenoitThe Marian Dupree Group, Inc. https://linkedin.com/company/the-marian-dupree-group-llc/For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.com
Host and entertainment research expert Kevin Goetz sits down with the multi-talented Colleen Camp. With a career spanning 6 decades in acting and over 2 decades in producing, Colleen is a true force in the entertainment industry. She has graced the screen in over 150 roles, including memorable performances in films like Clue, Die Hard with a Vengeance, Wayne's World, Election, and American Hustle. As a producer, Colleen has helped bring over 25 titles to life, showcasing her passion and dedication to the craft of filmmaking.Current Projects and Cinema Landscape (1:40)Colleen discusses her recent producing projects, including the films At the Gates and Day of the Fight, and the challenges of distribution in the current landscape.The Art of Character Development (16:21)Kevin and Colleen explore the significance of rhythm and accents in defining characters, drawing upon examples from Colleen's diverse acting roles. They discuss how these elements contribute to the authenticity and depth of a performance, allowing actors to fully embody their characters and captivate audiences.Lessons from Legendary Directors (11:28)Colleen shares lessons learned from collaborating with renowned directors such as Peter Bogdanovich, Francis Ford Coppola, Jonathan Lynn, and David O. Russell. She reflects on the insights gained from working with these industry giants, emphasizing the importance of adaptability, trust, and creative synergy between actors and directors.Navigating Nudity in Film (32:30)The conversation touches on Colleen's experience portraying a Playboy bunny in the iconic film Apocalypse Now. She candidly discusses her thoughts on nudity in film, the challenges faced by actors in such roles, and the evolution of attitudes towards on-screen intimacy over the years.Standout Films of the Awards Season (54:13)Kevin and Colleen engage in a lively discussion about the standout films from the current awards season, with a particular focus on The Holdovers and Oppenheimer. Supporting Emerging Talent (59:41)Colleen emphasizes the importance of supporting emerging filmmakers and the need for diverse, quality films to be distributed and celebrated. She stresses the significance of nurturing new voices in the industry and the role that established professionals can play in mentoring and advocating for up-and-coming talent.Colleen Camp's passion for the entertainment industry shines through in this engaging conversation. Her ability to transform as an actress and her commitment to producing meaningful films make her a true treasure in the world of cinema. As an advocate for emerging talent and a believer in the power of the theatrical experience, Colleen continues to make a significant impact on the industry. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Colleen CampProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoFor more information about Colleen Camp:Rotten Tomatoes: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/colleen_campWikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colleen_CampIMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0131974/For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngine
Host and entertainment research expert Kevin Goetz sits down with talented screenwriter and director Nick Stoller. With a remarkable portfolio that includes hit comedy films like Forgetting Sarah Marshall, Get Him to the Greek, Neighbors, Bros, and the upcoming You're Cordially Invited, Stoller provides a fascinating behind-the-scenes look at his creative process, his journey in the entertainment industry, and the invaluable role of audience research in shaping his critically acclaimed projects.Nick Stoller's background and early influences (5:57)Nick discusses his background and early influences, including growing up in Miami, attending boarding school in New Hampshire, and finding his passion for comedy writing at Harvard.Pitching ideas to Judd Apatow and landing a job on "Undeclared" (11:33)The pivotal moment when Judd Apatow hired Stoller for the show "Undeclared" based on his ability to pitch relatable college experiences that resonated with Apatow's comedic sensibilities.The screening process for "Forgetting Sarah Marshall" and lessons learned (15:19)Stoller delves into the screening process for "Forgetting Sarah Marshall" and the invaluable lessons he learned about audience preferences, particularly their aversion to overtly sad characters and their love for characters in denial.Collaborating with actors like Jason Segel and Rose Byrne (24:03)Stoller talks about working with talented actors like Jason Segel and Rose Byrne, and the unique comedic talents each brings to a project.Advice on cutting scenes and prioritizing the story over individual jokes (29:30)Kevin and Nick offer insightful advice on cutting scenes and prioritizing the overall story arc over individual jokes, even highly comedic ones, if they undermine character development or audience engagement.The reshoots for "Get Him to the Greek" and the importance of point of view (33:38)Nick talks about his love of reshoots, and how the audience feedback led him to change the beginning of Get Him to the Greek.Preparing for the first day of shooting with Will Ferrell and Reese Witherspoon (41:24)Stoller discusses his preparation process before the first day of shooting with stars like Will Ferrell and Reese Witherspoon, emphasizing the importance of rehearsals and collaborative exploration.Throughout the engaging conversation, Nick Stoller's passion for storytelling, his respect for the audience, and his collaborative approach shine through. From his beginnings as a writer to his current success as a director, Stoller's journey is a testament to the power of perseverance, creativity, and a deep understanding of human emotions. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Nick StollerProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoFor more information about Nick Stoller:Twitter: https://twitter.com/nicholasstollerWikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_StollerIMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0831557/For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.co
Kevin Goetz sits down with acclaimed filmmaker Eli Roth. Eli burst onto the scene in 2002 with his indie horror hit Cabin Fever and cemented his reputation with the extremely profitable Hostel films. Known for his intense horror style and flair for marketing, Eli has built a hugely successful directing career. His latest film, the holiday slasher Thanksgiving, was released last year by Sony Pictures and he is currently working on a science fiction action comedy film, Borderlands, scheduled to be released this summer. Kevin and Eli have worked closely together using test screenings to hone Eli's movies. Their rapport is on full display as they delve deep into Eli's creative process, his career ups and downs, and the vital role testing feedback plays in the final films you see in theaters. Kevin and Eli Discuss Eli's Upbringing and Early Interest in Filmmaking (3:20)Eli became interested in film at a young age after seeing movies like Pinocchio, Star Wars, and Alien. He started making short films as a kid with help from a mentor. By age 11 he was making animated shorts, stop-motion films, and horror movies with his brothers and friends.Cabin Fever and Eli's Initial Resistance to Testing (27:09)Cabin Fever initially tested terribly but went on to be very profitable. Eli learned to analyze test data for what works rather than just looking at scores.Eli's Experience Working His Way Up in the Film Industry (31:42)Eli talks about his odd jobs in the film industry while writing scripts, including as an extra, a set production assistant, and Howard Stern's assistant on Private Parts.Working with Quentin Tarantino and Making the Hostel Films (37:12)Quentin Tarantino mentored Eli on Hostel, helping him add more realism and unexpected details. Eli discusses testing multiple endings for Hostel.Thanksgiving Test Screenings and Editing (42:15)Eli details his experience testing Thanksgiving and learning from audience feedback to hone the right tone, pacing, and violence level. He trimmed 15 minutes after the first test screening based on feedback. Eli says he has come to value test screening input thanks to insights from Kevin.Eli on the Power of Test Screenings (54:19)Eli thanks Kevin for helping filmmakers understand how to read test screening data and what audiences want. He advises filmmakers to listen to test feedback even if they don't agree.This fascinating conversation gives rare insight into Eli Roth's unique directorial vision and his journey to becoming one of Hollywood's most successful horror filmmakers. Eli's passion for the genre and gift for understanding audiences have been instrumental in crafting crowd-pleasing terror. His embrace of the test screening process, utilizing Kevin's expert analysis, demonstrates Eli's dedication to giving viewers the best experience possible.Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Eli RothProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoFor more information about Eli Roth:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/realeliroth/Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_RothIMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0744834/For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.com
Join Kevin Goetz as he welcomes the host of Turner Classic Movies, Ben Mankiewicz. As a member of the illustrious Mankiewicz family, Ben provides a unique insider perspective, from delightful stories about his early life surrounded by Hollywood royalty to the privileges and expectations that come with having a famous name. He also shares colorful anecdotes about his father, who spurned the movie business in favor of making an impact through politics and public service. Throughout the episode, Ben brings his deep passion for film to life, offering thoughtful analysis and critiques on everything from beloved classics like Casablanca to defining what makes a movie truly great. His joy and encyclopedic knowledge when discussing cinema is infectious.Ben's Family Legacy and Getting into Columbia (2:42)Ben talks about his family's long history at Columbia and getting rejected initially despite his famous relatives.Ben's Father Spurning Hollywood for Public Service (8:08)Ben recounts his father Frank Mankiewicz's remarkable transition from Hollywood entertainment lawyer to a member of the Peace Corps in Peru. He further elaborates on his father's notable career milestones, which encompassed serving as Robert F. Kennedy's press secretary and spearheading George McGovern's campaign.Following His Own Path (9:15)Ben compares his interests to his father's drive to make a difference rather than join the movie business.Behind the Scenes of Turner Classic Movies (12:08)Ben describes auditioning for TCM and having long discussions about movies, playing to his strengths. Ben says seeing The Barefoot Contessa on TCM right after his audition felt like a good omen he'd get the job because it was a Mankiewicz movie.Ben's Takes on Classic Films (20:53)Ben argues audiences over time, not just critics, determine what becomes a classic film based on emotional impact. Ben names Paths of Glory and Casablanca as his favorites for their emotional resonance.On the Waterfront and the Problem with Kazan (33:47)Ben expresses admiration for On the Waterfront, acknowledging its brilliance and emotional depth, particularly praising Eva Marie Saint's performance. However, he expresses disdain for Elia Kazan's decision to name names during the McCarthy era. Mank and the Family Name (41:36)Ben talks about being a Mankiewicz, and describes being incredibly moved by the 2020 biographical drama film Mank directed by David Fincher capturing Ben's grandfather Herman's spirit. Whether you're a longtime TCM fan or simply love hearing little-known details about Hollywood history straight from the source, this podcast is a must-listen. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Ben MankiewiczProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoFor more information about Ben Mankiewicz:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_MankiewiczTwitter: https://twitter.com/benmank77?lang=enThe Plot Thickens Podcast: https://theplotthickens.tcm.com/For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Web
Kevin Goetz is joined by veteran Hollywood producer Hawk Koch. With over 50 years in the movie business, Koch has countless stories to share from his prolific career working on classic films like Chinatown, Marathon Man, Heaven Can Wait, and Wayne's World. He offers a rare insider's perspective on working with icons like Clark Gable, Ingrid Bergman, Jimmy Stewart, Jackie Gleason, and Barbra Streisand. Koch also provides wisdom on key lessons he's learned about the importance of telling the truth, taking care of people in the industry, and establishing your own identity.What's in a Name? (6:49)Koch talks about changing his name at age 50 when he was bar mitzvahed, taking on the nickname "Hawk" to establish his own identity apart from his famous father, producer Howard W. Koch.Riding Horses with Clark Gable (17:28)Koch reminisces about getting his first horseback ride from Clark Gable as a young boy on a movie set. He describes feeling Gable's warmth and humanity in that brief interaction.Working with Legends (20:25)Koch shares his experience working with and being intimidated by classic actors like Jimmy Stewart and Ingrid Bergman early in his career.Icon Lightning Round (24:01)Kevin asks Hawk to give his quick impressions of industry figures he's worked with like Roman Polanski, Warren Beatty, Faye Dunaway, and Barbara Streisand.Getting His Start in Music (28:11)Hawk discusses how he got his start working in music, touring with The Dave Clark Five and getting to watch recording sessions with Frank Sinatra.Taking Care of “Family” (33:43)Koch talks about his dedication to the Motion Picture and Television Fund, taking care of people in the entertainment industry. He shares why it is important to him.Taming Faye Dunaway's Hair (35:33)Koch tells a funny story about shooting Chinatown and director Roman Polanski pulling Faye Dunaway's hair out when it kept sticking up in a shot.Best Advice Ever Received (38:05)Koch stresses the importance of telling the truth in the movie business and not trying to mislead people.Tune in as Hawk Koch shares stories that capture the golden era of Hollywood history through his interactions with legends on set and off. But beyond the celebrity anecdotes, his emphasis on truth, care for others, and finding one's path contain valuable lessons for those both inside and outside the entertainment world. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Hawk KochProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoFor more information about Hawk Koch:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawk_KochIMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0462242/Magic Time: https://magictime.pictures/For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.com
Kevin is joined by the President of TriStar Pictures, Nicole BrownJoin host Kevin Goetz as he engages Nicole Brown in a conversation about her career evolution from child actor to President of TriStar Pictures. Tracing her early acting jobs to producing and executive roles, Brown imparts thoughtful wisdom on creative collaboration, test screenings, and keeping audiences engaged. She shares insights on balancing bold artistic visions with commercial success, studio involvement, and the importance of innovation. From her experiences shepherding original films like The Woman King, Baby Driver, and A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood, Brown offers revelations on what goes into crafting compelling films. She also has advice for emerging talent looking to push the industry forward.Early Life and Career (4:23)Brown describes getting bitten by the acting bug as a child growing up in Culver City, California. She began booking commercials and roles in shows she watched on TV. She reflects on how quickly acting went from an extracurricular activity to a central part of her young life.Transition to Producing (6:05)When Brown attended Columbia University, she began realizing that she derived more joy from facilitating creative projects behind the scenes than being on camera.Internship with Marc Platt (11:08)After college, Brown landed a career-changing summer internship with powerhouse producer Marc Platt. She sat in on his meetings at a major studio and soaked up his openness to ideas.Insights on Studio-Filmmaker Collaboration (19:24)Brown stresses that every film requires a different type of creative dance between the studio and the director. She notes that the studio's level of involvement often depends on the director's proven track record and the film's genre.The Origin Story of The Woman King (25:16)Brown traces how the idea for The Woman King originated when Viola Davis approached her eager to play a fierce African general leading an elite female army.Elements of Successful Theatrical Films in a Changing Landscape (31:19)Brown believes today's films require a sense of spectacle, urgency, and relevance that makes audiences eager to experience them immediately on the big screen.The Power of Test Screenings (36:28)Brown values seeing real audiences experience a film during test screenings. Beyond just the questionnaire data, she learns a great deal from the crowd's audible reactions and body language.Advice to Emerging Talent (40:21)Brown urges the next generation to fully immerse themselves in cinematic history and all forms of storytelling. But she also challenges them to then throw out the rulebook and bring completely new, bold ideas to revolutionize filmmaking.Tune in as host Kevin Goetz and Nicole Brown unpack valuable filmmaking lessons.Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Nicole BrownProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoFor more information about Nicole Brown:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Brown_(film_executive)IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0114352/Sony Pictures: https://www.sonypictures.com/For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website:
Kevin is joined by producer and former head of Paramount Pictures, Marc EvansMarc Evans is a highly respected studio executive with over 25 years of experience in the film industry. Evans worked his way up in Hollywood, becoming President of Production at Paramount Pictures. In this role, Evans oversaw the creative development and production of major blockbuster films like Mission: Impossible, Transformers, and Star Trek franchises. He has worked closely with top directors including J.J. Abrams, Michael Bay, David Fincher, and Martin Scorsese. Evans provides unique insights into greenlighting films and shares some behind-the-scenes stories of mistakes and triumphs during his studio tenure. After leaving Paramount, Evans founded his own production company Marc Evans Productions which has already scored hits with Netflix's The Mother starring Jennifer Lopez, and action movie The Old Guard. The value of chaos (3:08)Kevin and Marc recall what could have been a disastrous experience of his audience being canceled for a test screening of a major studio film.Early days at Paramount Pictures (5:43)Marc talks about his early days at Paramount working as an assistant for producer Julia Chasman and executive Nick Wexler, and working with legendary producer Laura Ziskin on the first Spider-Man films.Giving blockbusters heart (12:52)Marc shares what screenwriter Alvin Sargent told him about "the pleasure of making something big good" in regards to blockbuster franchise films.Reshooting World War Z (22:59)Marc and Kevin discuss what went wrong with the original cut of World War Z and why they had to redo 40 minutes of the film, and how the resulting film resonated better with audiences.Baywatch and Monster Trucks (25:25)Marc shares why the Baywatch movie failed to connect with audiences. The pair then discuss how Monster Trucks might have worked better as a smaller family film rather than pushing it as a major tentpole release.Marc Evans Productions (31:54)Marc discusses his recent production successes including The Mother starring Jennifer Lopez, The Old Guard starring Charlize Theron, and Instant Family starring Mark Wahlberg and Rose Byrne. He shares that the common theme in these movies is a strong emotional core.Marc Evans has worked on some of the biggest Hollywood blockbusters of the last 20 years. His candid perspectives on succeeding - and occasionally stumbling - reveal thoughtful lessons for creating films that truly resonate with audiences. Evans believes in always staying connected to the emotional core in every project. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Marc EvansProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoFor more information about Marc Evans:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/marc-evans-productions/about/IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0263010/For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.com
Kevin is joined by prolific comedy director, writer, and producer, Steve CarrGo behind the laughs with comedy director Steve Carr as he joins host Kevin Goetz for a lively and enlightening conversation. With hit movies like Paul Blart: Mall Cop, Daddy Day Care, and Dr. Dolittle 2 under his belt, Steve has mastered the art of crafting crowd-pleasing and enduring comedies. In this episode, you'll gain insight into Steve's journey from directing hip-hop videos in the 90s to directing comedic blockbusters. Steve also offers thoughtful perspectives on the state of comedy films today.Movies as comfort food (3:57)Steve shares a story about John Travolta, and Kevin and Steve discuss how movies like Paul Blart, Mall Cop can be like “chicken soup for the soul.”Nerves and laughs for Next Friday (09:42)Steve recounts the magical experience of hearing audiences roar with laughter at his first feature film comedy Next Friday.The state of comedy (19:46)Steve and Kevin give their opinions on why big-screen comedies are struggling lately.A change in focus (21:57)Steve shares how he's pivoting to writing more original scripts and producing in light of changes in the comedy landscape.Producing vs. directing (24:08)Steve details his experience independently producing a gritty, low-budget film and the lessons learned.Comedic influences (26:16)Steve lists his biggest comedic influences growing up, including Mel Brooks, The Odd Couple, and "Police Squad."Tune in for a fascinating conversation as Steve Carr shares tales from decades in Hollywood that reveal both the exhilaration of making people laugh and the challenges facing the genre today. Through it all, Steve retains his authentic humor and commitment to quality comedy with heart. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Steve CarrProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoFor more information about Steve Carr:Web: https://www.stevecarrdirector.com/Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_CarrIMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0139867/For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.com
Kevin is joined by award-winning entertainment marketing executive and former CBS Films President, Terry PressTerry Press has held top marketing positions at studios like Disney, DreamWorks, and CBS Films. She's known for her brilliant campaigns for films like American Beauty, Gladiator, Shrek, and many more. In this conversation, we get an insider's peek at Terry's approach to movie marketing and what makes a film truly resonate with audiences. We also hear fun behind-the-scenes stories about working with talents like Steven Spielberg, Sam Mendes, and David Fincher.Early Years and Love of Old Hollywood (2:47) Terry shares how her love of classic Hollywood films was fostered by her parents at a young age. Emotional Storytelling and The Sound of Music (9:07) She explains why movies like The Sound of Music and American Beauty were so successful - they touched on universal human emotions and experiences. Behind the Scenes of Testing American Beauty (18:43) We get behind-the-scenes insight into testing American Beauty and why Terry knew it would connect despite mediocre audience testing scores. Marketing Gladiator to Appeal to Women (22:05) Terry explains how she strategized marketing Gladiator and its appeal to women based on the protagonist's family tragedy. Handling Creative Conflicts (25:46) Terry comments about periodic conflicting ideas between filmmakers and studio marketing executives regarding the creation of movie trailers. Candid Takes on Industry Legends (38:10)Terry gives her candid, rapid-fire takes on industry legends like Steven Spielberg, Sam Mendes, Jeffrey Katzenberg, and more. Shyness Behind a Tough Exterior (50:07) In a vulnerable moment, Terry reveals most don't know she's quite shy, despite her perceived tough exterior.Tune in for a fascinating conversation as Terry Press provides wisdom from film marketing insights to stories about Hollywood legends to her unique personal perspective. Terry is driven by a genuine passion for great movies and storytelling, and she understands how to craft campaigns that don't just sell films but reveal their deeper essence and meaning. It's no wonder Terry is so respected by giants like Spielberg and Katzenberg. Her marketing mastery, authenticity, and humanity shine through in this chat. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Terry PressProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoFor more information about Terry Press:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/terry-press/Twitter: https://twitter.com/reata1956IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1437110/For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.com
Kevin is joined by director, writer, and producer Will Gluck to discuss crafting comedy on screen and the intricacies of the testing process.Will Gluck has had an impressive career directing hit comedies like Easy A, Friends with Benefits, the Annie remake, and the Peter Rabbit films. He's also been behind popular TV shows such as The Michael J. Fox Show. In this candid, and often hilarious conversation, Will discusses his journey from TV writer to film director, his process on set, experiences testing movies with audiences, and thoughts on the state of romantic comedies in theaters. Will brings a valuable perspective as an audience-focused director who constantly shapes his films based on feedback. So, whether you're a film buff or just love a good laugh, this conversation with Golden Globe-nominated Will Gluck is a must-listen! Thoughts on Comedy, Improvising, and Reworking Scenes (3:25)Will talks about why he gravitated to comedy, his thoughts on improvising, and why he loves to rework scenes.Catching a Break in Hollywood (8:39)Will shares a hilarious story of how being a terrible driver for the head of a production company led to him getting his first writing job.Transitioning to Feature Films and Involving Family in Films Like Easy A, Annie, and Peter Rabbit (16:46)Kevin and Will discuss Gluck's filmography including Easy A, Friends with Benefits, Annie, and the Peter Rabbit films. Will explains why he chose to make the movies he did, and the important role his family played in those decisions.Gluck's upcoming movie Anyone But You starring Glen Powell and Sydney Sweeney (25:14)The pair discuss why chemistry between leads is crucial for romantic comedies, and Will talks about casting his new film, Anyone but You.Working with Tom Rothman and Sony (27:09)Gluck discusses his long history working with Sony Pictures and executive Tom Rothman.Film Focus Group Feedback and Evaluation (35:00)Gluck asks Kevin about screen testing and evaluating audiences. Kevin discusses his commitment to neutral, unbiased test screening reports, and they talk about how even great films get some bad feedback.Tune in for a fascinating insider's look at the world of test screenings, and Will's experiences in both film and TV. Make sure to check out Will's upcoming romantic comedy Anyone But You, starring Glen Powell and Sydney Sweeney. It offers a glimmer of hope for the struggling genre. Thanks as always to you, our listeners, for joining us on this journey exploring audience research and testing in Hollywood. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Will GluckProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoFor more information about Will Gluck:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/willgluckwhat/IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0323239/bio/Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_GluckFor more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngin
Kevin is joined by Academy Award-nominated producer and President of Mattel Films, Robbie Brenner who helped reinvent Barbie and create a contemporary movie classic. Robbie produced the record-breaking blockbuster movie Barbie and has had an illustrious career making acclaimed films including Dallas Buyers Club, for which she was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Picture and that went on to win three Academy Awards. We'll hear Robbie's insider stories of how Barbie went from an idea that seemed destined to fail to the biggest comedy hit in years. She also shares her war stories guiding Barbie through development and testing, while creating the bold creative vision needed to reinvent an iconic brand by bringing on director Greta Gerwig at the suggestion of Margot Robbie. Robbie Brenner also shares her vision for Mattel Films and insight into her upcoming projects.Getting Barbie Off the Ground (8:00)Robbie shares the early development process for Barbie, and why Kevin initially thought it would fail.The High Heel and the Birkenstock (12:16)How Greta Gerwig and Noah Baumbach got attached to the project and shifted the tone.Behind-the-scenes stories from test screenings of Barbie (18:18)Kevin and Robbie share stories from the early screenings of Barbie, and the changes that were made to the film.Convincing Mattel (25:44)Robbie explains how she had to convince the Barbie brand team to "get comfortable with being uncomfortable" during the filmmaking process.Polly Pocket, Hot Wheels, and Barney (35:46)Robbie discusses the future slate of films based on Mattel brands, including Hot Wheels, Barney, and more. She shares the big Hollywood names attached to the projects; people like J.J. Abrams, Lena Dunham, and Daniel Kaluuya.The Cultural Significance of Barbie (38:33)Robbie explains how Barbie substantively unpacks cultural issues, beyond just being commercially appealing.Taking Risks (42:25)Robbie talks about having conviction as a filmmaker to take bold risks, even if you "fail miserably.”Tune in for an entertaining glimpse behind the scenes of a contemporary classic in the making. Robbie brings an infectious energy as she shares anecdotes that capture the importance of conviction and the power of meaningful storytelling in producing great films. Robbie has an innate sense for compelling stories, a passion for telling them authentically, and the talent relationships and tenacity to get films made. Her insights into utilizing audience research to craft satisfying endings, grabbing viewer attention early, and leaning into a filmmaker's unique voice reveal why she's been behind so many memorable movies.Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Robbie BrennerProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari CampanoFor more information about Robbie Brenner:Mattel Films: https://corporate.mattel.com/robbie-brennerIMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0107509/Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbie_BrennerFor more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.com
Kevin is joined by the acclaimed producing team Todd Black and Jason Blumenthal, who give rare insights into their creative process and share lessons learned from decades of successful filmmaking.In this episode, Kevin Goetz sits down with two of the most prolific, decorated, and respected producers in the business - Todd Black and Jason Blumenthal. As partners at Escape Artists, Jason and Todd have produced an incredible array of award-winning films spanning over 20 years. From critical and commercial hits like The Pursuit of Happyness, The Equalizer franchise, Seven Pounds, and Being the Ricardos, they have cultivated a reputation for making character-driven films with soul and meaning.Jason Blumenthal's Superpower [05:05]Jason believes his superpower is being able to "create something from nothing" when developing film ideas.Landing Denzel Washington for The Equalizer franchise [10:59]After years of relationship building, Todd and Jason landed Denzel for The Equalizer by paying for the rights themselves and developing the script extensively before showing him.The importance of character-driven movies [24:30]Todd emphasizes having likable characters that audiences connect with as the key ingredient for successful films.Nerves before every test screening [28:38]Both Todd and Jason discuss their intense anxiety and physical symptoms before every test screening. Despite the nerves, the trio discuss how important the test screening process has been for the success of their films.Memorable test screening moments that shaped their films [31:56]To illustrate how important it is to listen to the audience, the producing pair discusses how cutting a love story from Equalizer 3 significantly improved test scores.Will Smith's insight on why endings matter most to audiences [43:13]After a test screening of The Pursuit of Happyness, Will Smith surprised the audience and gave Jason a valuable piece of advice about the importance of a good ending.Tune in to hear Jason Blumenthal and Todd Black offer invaluable insights into producing in this wide-ranging conversation with host Kevin Goetz. The pair explain their creative ethos, share how test screenings have shaped their films, and recall sage advice received over their decades-long careers. Their passion for the test screening process illustrates a deep commitment to the audience above all else. With candor and humor, Jason and Todd impart hard-won lessons about the importance of likable characters, owning mistakes, and maintaining integrity in Hollywood. Their openness provides a rare look inside the art and craft of great producing.Host: Kevin GoetzGuests: Todd Black and Jason BlumenthalProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, & Kari CampanoFor more information about Todd Black and Jason Blumenthal:Escape Artists: https://escapeartists.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/escapeartistsentertainment/Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_ArtistsFor more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.com
Kevin is joined by acclaimed filmmaker, Antoine Fuqua.Antoine Fuqua, director and producer, is known for his work on the films Training Day, The Magnificent Seven, and The Equalizer.Kevin Goetz sits down with renowned Hollywood director Antoine Fuqua. They discuss Fuqua's extraordinary path from the tough streets of Pittsburgh to directing blockbusters and working with some of the greatest actors of our time. Fuqua opens up about his encounter with gun violence at age 15, which shaped his artistic style and pursuit of cinematic realism. He shares behind-the-scenes stories about working with Denzel Washington in Training Day, the value he gleans from test screenings, and his upcoming Michael Jackson biopic. Fuqua also provides insight into his intense focus on actors, self-criticism, and mission to keep evolving as a director who can capture the human condition under pressure.Childhood Shooting (2:26)Fuqua recalls being randomly shot at age 15 while running an errand in Pittsburgh. The traumatic event gave him a visceral sense of violence and mortality. He remembers the shooting like a vivid movie scene engraved in his mind.Acting Process (11:34)Fuqua explains his deep reverence for actors. Fuqua believes in giving actors space to use their own creative process and not interfering in their "magic."“In the Moment Filmmaking” with Denzel Washington (14:18)Fuqua shares a story from Training Day when he was so absorbed watching Denzel Washington and Ethan Hawke improvise in character that he forgot to call "cut." He stresses filmmakers must sometimes "get out of their own way" and just feel unscripted moments unfold.Test Screenings (16:48)The pair discuss test screenings, and Fuqua shares that even though he is tortured by the test screening process, he considers it a blessing. Fuqua discusses his love for the audience and how the feedback exposes blind spots and forces him to see the film through their eyes.Michael Jackson Biopic (21:56)Fuqua reveals details on his upcoming Michael Jackson biography produced by Graham King. He was drawn to the project by Jackson's global impact and complicated life. Fuqua aims to look beyond tabloid headlines to capture the man underneath.Men Under Pressure (27:24)Fuqua discusses men under pressure, a major theme in his filmmaking, and how he is drawn to telling stories about people making tough choices that test their morals and define their character. Tune in for a fascinating discussion that provides rare insight into the mindset of visionary director Antoine Fuqua. From his rough upbringing to directing actors like Denzel Washington, Ethan Hawke, Will Smith, and Jake Gyllenhaal, he explains how his background shaped his directorial style and gift for portraying the human condition. Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Antoine FuquaProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, & Kari CampanoFor more information about Antoine Fuqua:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/antoinefuqua/IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0298807/Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_FuquaFor more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenE
Kevin is joined by Oscar and Emmy Nominated Director and Producer, Evgeny Afineevsky.Evgeny Afineevsky, Oscar-Nominated Documentary FilmmakerKevin Goetz is joined by acclaimed documentary filmmaker Evgeny Afineevsky. The pair discuss Afineevsky's unlikely journey from childhood in the Soviet Union and Israel to becoming an Oscar-nominated director. Afineevsky shares behind-the-scenes stories about making powerful documentaries like Cries from Syria, Winter on Fire, which turned the world's attention to the rising conflict in Ukraine, and Francesco, which offered him rare access to Pope Francis. He also provides insight into his filmmaking philosophy and drive to create documentaries that educate, inspire action, and work as tools for positive change in the world.From the former Soviet Union to Israel and an early mentor in Menahem Golan (01:41)Starting from his childhood fascination with filmmaking in the Soviet Union, Evgeny describes seeing rare foreign movies in Russia during the 1980s, like Gone with the Wind, that offered a glimpse outside the USSR. After moving to Israel, Afineevsky recounts meeting Menahem Golan and coming to Hollywood in the 1990s.Oscar nomination for Winter on Fire and meeting Volodymyr Zelenskyy (15:35)The pair discuss Evgeny's transition to highly impactful documentaries like the Oscar-nominated Winter on Fire and how Afineevsky first met Volodymyr Zelenskyy in 2016, years before he became the president of Ukraine.Documentaries and PTSD (23:02)Afineevsky describes the risks he took to make his documentaries, and how the effects of making these films in war zones caused him to develop PTSD.A close relationship with Pope Francis (23:41)Afineevsky shares how he developed a close bond with Pope Francis and how he gained unprecedented access to him for the documentary Francesco. Afineevsky describes Francis becoming godfather to his son and their personal friendship.Making movies that matter (34:58)The pair discuss parenthood and how having a child motivated Afineevsky to make movies that can change the world.Upcoming projects (40:52)Afineevsky talks about his most recent documentary about Ukraine's fight for freedom, Freedom on Fire. He also mentions potential upcoming projects, including one about Ukrainian children abducted by Russia.Tune in to hear this compelling interview with acclaimed documentary director Evgeny Afineevsky, which provides an intimate glimpse into his inspiring life journey, from gaining unprecedented access to Pope Francis for Francesco to making Oscar-nominated films like Winter on Fire. Afineevsky offers wisdom on documentary filmmaking and shares his vision for how movies can raise awareness of global issues to drive positive change in the world.Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Evgeny AfineevskyProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman and Kari CampanoFor more information about Evgeny Afineevsky:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evgeny_AfineevskyIMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1017958/Twitter: https://twitter.com/evgeny_directorFor more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: : https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEng
Kevin is joined by Hollywood journalist and studio executive, Peter Bart.Peter Bart, Journalist and Hollywood ExecutiveOver an influential career spanning over 50 years, Peter Bart has played a key role in shaping modern Hollywood. He began as a journalist at The New York Times before becoming a studio executive at Paramount in the late 1960s and 70s, overseeing movies like The Godfather, Rosemary's Baby, and Chinatown. He later served as Editor-in-Chief of Variety for nearly 30 years. Today, Bart continues to be a prominent voice through his writing for Deadline. With his vast experience and perspective, Bart remains a living legend in the world of movies.Early career in journalism (05:16)Peter shares how he got his start in journalism by asking outrageous questions. The New York Times sent Bart to Hollywood to cover the rise of TV, but he was drawn to the fascinating economics of the movie business.Getting Into the Movie Business (08:15)Bart became friends with Bob Evans, who brought him to Paramount as head of production despite no film experience. They reinvented the studio by making artistic, character-driven films based on novels vs big-budget spectacles.Reinventing Hollywood (13:09)Bart bought rights to novels and quality scripts like The Godfather. He shares how he wanted to make it an art film, but its popularity pushed the studio to make it more commercial. Bart shares how he and Evans often made movies without studio oversight in order to take creative risks on movies like Rosemary's Baby, Paper Moon, and Harold and Maude.Drama with Frank Sinatra (22:43)Peter shares a behind-the-scenes story from Rosemary's Baby. Director Roman Polanski's demanding style angered Frank Sinatra, husband of the film's star Mia Farrow. Returning to Journalism with Variety (27:01)Bart shares that after 18 years making films, he wanted to tell the story of Hollywood's shifts - filmmaker power transitioning to dealmakers/businessmen running studios.The Future of Theatrical Films (43:09)Kevin and Peter discuss the value of the theatrical experience. As the way people watch movies is changing, Bart believes audience energy hugely enhances films. He shares how the new generation is losing out by only streaming at home.Tune in to hear Peter Bart share invaluable insights from his legendary career spanning studio executive leadership and entertainment. He provides a unique window into the reinvention of Hollywood in the 1960s and 70s, greenlighting seminal films like The Godfather. Peter makes an impassioned case for retaining the irreplaceable theatrical experience. With unmatched experience across epochs of the film industry, Peter's perspectives are a must-listen for any cinema fan.Host: Kevin GoetzGuests: Peter BartProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, Kari CampanoFor more information about Peter Bart:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_BartDeadline: https://deadline.com/author/peter-bart/Variety: https://variety.com/author/peter-bart/For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.com
Kevin is joined by David Madden, Emmy-winning producer and studio executive.David Madden, ProducerKevin Goetz is joined by acclaimed entertainment executive David Madden. David has had a fantastic career spanning over four decades in the film, television, and streaming industry. He's been on the front lines developing and overseeing some of the most acclaimed shows of our time. He has successfully produced movies like Runaway Bride, The Hand That Rocks the Cradle, and Save the Last Dance. As president of Fox Broadcasting and AMC Studios, David helped shepherd iconic series, including The Shield, The Walking Dead, Better Call Saul, and The Americans. Currently, David is head of global entertainment for Wattpad WEBTOON Studios, an innovative division of Wattpad WEBTOON built around discovering undiscovered writers and creators on its online storytelling platforms, then turning their work into movies, shows, and animated projects.Early Career at Fox (06:55)David talks about getting his start in the early 1980s as a script reader at Fox after months of unsuccessfully trying to get a job there. He learned the importance of giving constructive feedback on scripts rather than being snarky and dismissive.Rising Through the Ranks (13:53)Working his way up at Fox, David discusses collaborating with producer Robert Cort on films like Romancing the Stone. He gained insights into developing scripts and making movies more marketable. David shares his experience moving to Paramount as an executive in the mid-1980s, overseeing major box office hits like Fatal Attraction and The Untouchables.The Sopranos and Embracing Prestige Television (18:04)David explains having an "aha moment" watching The Sopranos, realizing television could offer the same depth and sophistication as feature films. This led him to pivot his career to focus on premium cable series.Hits Across Cable Networks (19:50)As an executive, David helped develop acclaimed and award-winning shows, including The Shield at FX, The Americans, The Walking Dead, and Better Call Saul.Running Programming (21:57)David discusses serving as President of Programming at both Fox Broadcasting and AMC Networks. At Fox, he oversaw the meteoric success of Empire.Wattpad WEBTOON Studios (27:32)David details his current role leading content for Wattpad WEBTOON Studios, which discovers creators on its online storytelling platforms and turns their IP into entertainment properties. David explains how Wattpad operates, with over 90 million users worldwide uploading hundreds of millions of stories.Tune in to hear David take us on a fascinating journey from his beginnings as a script reader to overseeing some of the most acclaimed shows on television. Join Kevin and David for insightful perspectives on the major shifts happening in the business, from the disappearance of mid-budget films to the explosion of streaming. His current pioneering role at Wattpad WEBTOON Studios shows how data and technology can empower new voices and transform how content is created. David's passion for storytelling and nurturing talent shine through in everything he does, and his career is a masterclass in adapting to industry change.
Kevin is joined by John Davis, prolific producer and founder of Davis Entertainment.John Davis, Producer, Entrepreneur, and Founder of Davis EntertainmentKevin Goetz is joined by John Davis, a renowned producer and the founder of Davis Entertainment. This powerhouse production company has left an indelible mark on the film and television industry. With an impressive list of credits to his name, Davis has consistently delivered captivating projects that have resonated with audiences worldwide. From high-octane action blockbusters like Predator, I, Robot, and The Man from U.N.C.L.E. to heartwarming family favorites like Dr. Dolittle and Garfield, Davis has demonstrated an exceptional range and an eye for engaging storytelling. In addition to his success in film, Davis has made significant contributions to television as an executive producer on critically acclaimed series such as The Blacklist and The Player. With Davis Entertainment as his platform, he continues to push boundaries, captivate audiences, and shape the future of storytelling in film and television.Entrepreneurship and John's Secret Sauce (03:10)John discusses his love for entrepreneurship and how he sees producing movies as similar to starting a new company. John credits his success to having mass taste and understanding what audiences want to see.Giving Back (15:30)John and Kevin discuss the importance of giving back and how John and his wife have been passionate about providing scholarships and supporting educational institutions. Grumpy Old Men (21:28)John shares the determined process of getting this hit film made, including committing to produce another movie just to get Walter Matthau on board.Audience Reactions and Test Screenings (28:14)John and Kevin discuss the role of audience reactions in shaping a movie's success and share stories of screening experiences that made a significant impact, including how testing Jungle Cruise changed the movie.Waterworld: A Challenged Production (42:01)John discusses his involvement in the film Waterworld, addresses the controversy and difficulties it faced, and how he turned it into a positive.Personal Favorites (46:42)John reveals three movies that hold a special place in his heart and encapsulate his journey as a producer. He talks about the impact and significance of Dolomite, Predator, and Grumpy Old Men on his career and personal growth.Tune in for a candid conversation with renowned producer and entrepreneur John Davis as he shares captivating stories and valuable insights from his prolific career. Join us as we explore the art of negotiation, the power of perseverance, and the lessons learned from both successes and failures.Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: John DavisProducer: Kari CampanoWriters: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, Kari CampanoFor more information about John Davis:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Davis_(producer)IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0204862/Davis Entertainment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davis_EntertainmentFor more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: ww
Kevin is joined by Academy Award-winning producer and activist, Cathy Schulman.Cathy Schulman, ProducerCathy Schulman is a force to be reckoned with in the entertainment industry, using her platform to advocate for gender equality and empowering women. In this episode, Schulman opens up about her journey, sharing how her own experiences of sexism, harassment, and bullying ignited a deep passion for change. Cathy is committed to producing content that appeals to diverse audiences, particularly women and girls. The pair also discuss Cathy's Academy Award win for the film Crash and her experiences working on projects such as The Illusionist, Bad Moms, The Woman King, and Showtime's The First Lady. A commitment to Diversity and Representation (03:17)Cathy Schulman discusses her advocacy for women in the entertainment industry, which stems from her personal experiences with sexism and harassment. Cathy shares what motivated her to become involved in organizations like Women in Film and ultimately establish her organization, ReFrame.Crash and the Academy Awards (08:50)Cathy shares what it was like to hear the name of her movie read at the Academy Awards. She talks about her prepared speech for the Oscars, which accidentally ended up being genocide statistics instead. Despite the unexpected turn, she spoke from the heart and thanked her husband and inspirations.Inspirations (12:39)Kevin asks Cathy about her primary inspiration in the film industry and Cathy talks about Barbara Boyle, the first woman to run a Hollywood studio and one of the founders of Women in Film.Audience Research and The Woman King (19:26)Cathy and Kevin discuss the audience testing process, and how it improved The Woman King. Cathy shares her view that pace, length, and clarity are the keys to the audience research process.Testing her upcoming project, The Idea of You (34:52)Cathy talks about her upcoming project, The Idea of You, starring Anne Hathaway. She shares some of the testing insights on the project.Representation and Women in Film (44:46)Cathy discusses the organization Women in Film, and the research that she has done to advance representation in the film industry. She focuses on the economics of representation and catering to a diverse audience.Tune in to hear Cathy and Kevin discuss the importance of listening to the audience, the challenges of filmmaking, Cathy's involvement with Women in Film, and her project, ReFrame, aimed at creating systemic change in the industry. Through her advocacy, she has emerged as a true champion for gender equality, inspiring others to challenge the status quo and rewrite the narrative, creating a future where every woman's voice is heard and valued.Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Cathy SchulmanProducer: Kari CampanoFor more information about Cathy Schulman:IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0776072/Women in Film: https://www.instagram.com/womeninfilmla/Welle Entertainment: https://www.welleent.com/For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.com
Kevin is joined by Will Packer, acclaimed filmmaker and founder of Will Packer Productions.Will Packer, ProducerKevin Goetz is joined by industry trailblazer, Will Packer. A film and two-time Emmy-nominated producer, Packer is a mastermind when it comes to captivating audiences with stories that resonate across cultural boundaries. From his early days as a student filmmaker at Florida A&M University to the powerhouse behind hits like Think Like a Man, Girls Trip, and Straight Outta Compton, Will Packer has devoted his career to making movies that resonate with the audience. With an unyielding dedication to diversity and inclusivity, he has opened doors for underrepresented voices in the industry.Beverly Hills Cop and Packer's early influences (07:15)Packer fondly recalls the impact of watching movies as a child and how they served as an escape and source of inspiration. He cites Beverly Hills Cop as a significant movie that made him realize the power of representation and humor, featuring a charismatic black lead who became a hero on screen.From an engineer to a DIY filmmaker (08:11)Will explains that his analytical mindset, combined with his creative inclinations, gives him a unique perspective. Packer shares the story of his persistence in securing a screening for his first film,Chocolate City, where the film garnered an enthusiastic response from the audience. The movie resonated with viewers portraying a world they could relate to.Creating inclusive movies with universal themes (11:21)Packer discusses how movies in the past were often exclusive, designed for specific audiences, but his aim is to create inclusive films with universal themes, featuring black characters but accessible to all.Diversity leads to success (28:57)Will and Kevin emphasize the value of diversity in the business world, stating that having more voices in the room leads to increased success. The pair agree that a creative industry thrives when there is a variety of perspectives and experiences represented.Creating content that people love (34:40)Kevin and Will discuss the importance of creating movies and media that people "love", not just "like". In this oversaturated media market, he focuses on creating movies that people are passionate about and will rush to tell their friends about. Producing the Oscars and the “slap heard ‘round the world” (37:42)Will talks about his experience producing the 2022 Academy Awards, a production that earned him an Emmy nomination. Will goes into the challenges of producing the Oscars, and how Chris Rock saved the show.Tune in to hear Will Packer's journey in the industry, starting from his early influences and his passion for storytelling, to his contributions to the entertainment industry and his commitment to championing underrepresented voices. Host: Kevin GoetzGuests: Will PackerProducer: Kari CampanoFor more information about Will Packer:Website: https://www.willpacker.com/homeInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/willpackerproductions/?hl=enTwitter: https://twitter.com/willpowerpackerFor more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.com
Kevin is joined by Marty Bowen and Wyck Godfrey, powerhouse producers and founders of Temple Hill Entertainment.Marty Bowen, ProducerWyck Godfrey, Producer and Former Studio HeadKevin Goetz is joined by two exceptional guests who have produced some of the most popular entertainment of recent years. Marty Bowen and Wyck Godfrey are the dynamic duo behind Temple Hill Entertainment. With a list of credits that includes blockbuster franchises like The Twilight Saga and The Maze Runner Trilogy, as well as critically acclaimed films like The Fault in Our Stars and First Man, these two industry powerhouses have left an indelible mark on the entertainment landscape. Their collaboration has yielded television hits such as FX's Dave, ABC's Revenge, and Hulu's Love, Victor. Marty and Wyck's background and early careers (3:12)Wyck discusses his start in the film industry as an intern at New Line Cinema, his journey to becoming an executive, and his first project, National Lampoon's Spring Break. Marty talks about growing up in a small town in Texas, his international experiences, and the moment he decided to pursue a career in the movie business after watching Dances with Wolves.Roommates and the beginning of a partnership (7:19)Marty and Wyck reminisce about their early days as roommates, the excitement of pursuing their dreams in Hollywood, and the formation of their enduring partnership.A surprising screening of The Fault in Our Stars (14:49)Kevin recounts the surprisingly popular screening of The Fault in Our Stars. Godfrey shares how he tracked down John Green at a book signing, and how their shared love for Liverpool football led to their collaboration.Running a studio (22:31)Wyck shares his experience transitioning from being a producer to running the studio. He talks about the moment Jim Gianopulos offered him the opportunity and how he felt the need for a change. Marty Bowen reflects on Wyck's decision and compares it to his own transition from an agent to a producer.Lessons from Paramount (24:48)Kevin asks Wyck to share how his experience at Paramount helped the partnership when he returned to Temple Hill Entertainment. The discussion turns to the marketing of Smile and how the studio experience drove the distribution decisions.Superpowers (35:39)Kevin asks Marty and Wyck to discuss the other's superpower, and what follows is an insightful discussion of the production partnership, and why it has been so successful.Tune in to hear Marty and Wyck discuss their partnership, their journey in the film industry, and their experiences working on various projects. The podcast episode also highlights their first projects, their partnership chemistry, and their mutual respect for each other's talents.Host: Kevin GoetzGuests: Marty Bowen and Wyck GodfreyProducer: Kari CampanoFor more information about Wyck Godfrey and Marty Bowen:Temple Hill Entertainment: https://www.templehillent.com/Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Hill_EntertainmentFor more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.com
Kevin is joined by Jim Gianopulos, former studio head of 20th Century Fox and Paramount Pictures.Jim Gianopulos, Studio HeadJim Gianopulos is a highly influential executive in the entertainment industry, known for his visionary leadership. With a career spanning decades, he has made significant contributions to film and television, overseeing major blockbusters such as Titanic, Avatar, and more recently, Maverick: Top Gun. Under Jim's leadership at Paramount Pictures, he took a studio that was at an operating loss of nearly $500 million a year and built it into a significantly profitable studio. Gianopulos is celebrated for his exceptional creative instincts, strategic acumen, and unwavering dedication to storytelling, making him one of the most influential figures in modern cinema.Influential filmmakers and the privilege of running a studio (10:42)Jim talks about his early influencers in the film industry such as Martin Scorsese and John Cassavetes, his Greek heritage, and the privilege of running a studio.Searchlight's Marketing Strategy (20:57)Jim and Kevin talk about Searchlight's brilliant marketing strategy, and how they took creative risks on movies like Slumdog Millionaire.Ice Age (27:02)Jim shares a story about the almost missed opportunity with Ice Age, the decision to keep it, and the success of the franchise.Avatar's Budget (30:12)Jim talks about the challenges of greenlighting Avatar due to its expensive budget and new technology. He shares what it was like to work with James Cameron on the blockbuster film.Castaway's Ending (34:50)Jim discusses the audience screening of Castaway and how audience reaction led to a change in the film's ending that was crucial to its success.Testing Movies with Audience Feedback (39:28)Jim and Kevin discuss the importance of testing movies with audience feedback and how it helps to serve the audience better.The Release of Top Gun: Maverick (45:12)Jim talks about the pressure and decision-making process behind the release of the movie Maverick during the COVID-19 pandemic.The Changing Entertainment Landscape and the Green-Lighting Process (48:23)Jim discusses his thoughts on the future of movie theaters and why he believes they will always exist. The conversation turns to the flexibility of film distribution and how movies can be moved between theatrical releases and streaming platforms.Tune in to hear Kevin and Jim discuss Jim's career in the movie industry and his guiding principles for making successful movies. Throughout the conversation, Jim stresses the importance of making bold decisions and taking calculated risks. The pair discuss the importance of audience feedback and testing in making successful movies, as well as the challenges and opportunities facing the movie industry in the current landscape.Host: Kevin GoetzGuest: Jim GianopulosProducer: Kari CampanoFor more information about Jim Gianopulos:Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_GianopulosIMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1963549/For more information about Kevin Goetz:Website: www.KevinGoetz360.comAudienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360Linked In @Kevin GoetzScreen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.com
© 2020-2025 Ivy Podcast Discovery LLC
