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Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   Justin interviews John Baldwin of Discount Tire. Justin and John explore risk management topics, including Tire Safety Month, tire safety education of customers, and the tire selection tool he developed, Treadwell. John shares information about ongoing projects at Discount Tire and also his work on the board of the Tire Recycling Foundation. Listen to gain awareness of how tire selection can be a safety factor in your ERM program.   Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMS and RIMScast. [:17] About this episode of RIMScast. Our guest is John Baldwin of Discount Tire. He's joining us for National Safety Month and National Tire Safety Month here in June 2025. We're going to learn about the risk tool that he developed at Discount Tire. [:49] RIMS-CRMP Workshops! The next RIMS-CRMP Exam Prep Workshop will be presented in conjunction with NAIT on June 10th and 11th. Register by June 9th. That course will be led by former RIMS President, Nowell Seaman. [1:11] Links to these courses can be found on the Certification Page of RIMS.org and through this episode's show notes. [1:18] Virtual Workshops! On June 12th, Pat Saporito will host “Managing Data for ERM”, and she will return on June 26th to present the very popular new course, “Generative AI for Risk Management”. [1:35] A link to the full schedule of virtual workshops can be found on the RIMS.org/education and RIMS.org/education/online-learning pages. A link is also in this episode's show notes. [1:47] We have a special new 12-week virtual workshop course, The Advanced Enterprise Risk Management (ERM) Certificate Program, instructed by James Lam, one of the most famous Chief Risk Officers in the world! [2:04] He will lead an intensive 12-week program, beginning July 16th, bi-weekly until September 2025. Registration closes on July 7th. [2:17] James will join us next week to discuss this program and his ERM philosophy. Check out the link in this episode's show notes and the Education page of RIMS.org. Register today before we reach virtual capacity! [2:33] On with the show! It's our first episode of June 2025. That means that it is National Safety Month here in the U.S. and also Tire Safety Month. I was delighted to book today's guest, John Baldwin, PhD. He is the Chief Product and Technical Officer of Discount Tire. [2:56] He developed a risk tool for Discount Tire called Treadwell. This is the company's personalized tire recommendation tool. [3:05] Treadwell utilizes extensive real-world testing data, including nearly a million tread depth measurements annually and evaluations of dozens of new tire models each year. [3:17] John is also a member of the Enterprise Risk Committee at Discount Tire, so we will also learn about his risk philosophies and his efforts to bolster sustainability when it comes to tires, tire manufacturing, and tire recycling. [3:33] Interview! John Baldwin, welcome to RIMScast! [3:52] John says risk management is like safety. You incorporate it in every decision you make. It's good to make it part of the daily oxygen. [4:10] John started consulting with Discount Tire in 2007 and became full-time in 2012. [4:25] John is a Senior Vice President and Chief Product and Technical Strategist. He's responsible for the fitment guide on the website. Discount Tire measures each vehicle it can and puts that in the fitment guide. [4:56] They consider product quality and performance. They test tires, wheels, and lug nuts, before offering them for sale. John's background is technical. [5:10] John is also in charge of sustainability and government affairs. [5:24] John has a bachelor's degree in chemistry and a PhD in polymer science, the study of plastics and rubber. He was at 3M for a lot of years working on filter media for filter masks, which had a resurgence 25 years after he left. [5:49] John went to automotive working in adhesives. He was hired by Ford. He was at Ford when the Ford Firestone recall happened. He got drafted onto the Root Cause Team, to find out what was going on with the tires because of his background. [6:08] John worked in advanced manufacturing on a cross-functional team. [6:22] John's advice to folks coming up in a company is “Saying No is career-limiting.” He had said No a lot, at the beginning of his career. When he started saying Yes, things changed. [6:38] Coming from the larger companies where he had worked, John says the vibe at family-owned Discount Tire is an entrepreneurial spirit. There's a lot less bureaucracy. You go talk to people to get things done. It's very comfortable for John. [6:58] John says Discount Tire is for everyone but the people who thrive here are more self-starting, think it out, and occasionally color outside the lines. It's nice. You learn a lot. [7:13] John has a small group of about 25 people. They are cohorts of the risk group. The risk group collects and manages thought processes and information. The people who own the risks have to take care of them. The risk group shares a framework for them to manage risks. [8:23] John is on the Enterprise Risk Committee. It's a group of the different functional areas, Technical Fitment, Real Estate, IT, Cybersecurity, Store Management, Product Quality, Legal, HR, and other areas from around the corporation represented. [8:52] The Enterprise Risk Committee is one level below the Steering Committee. They use a tool called Riskonnect. They analyze and bring the risks to the Steering Committee. Justin and John first connected through the last Riskonnect webinar! [9:46] There are technical issues in managing the stores, including customer safety. Customer safety is a founding philosophy at Discount Tire. Customer safety is the first consideration. [10:21] When John first came on board at Discount Tire, it was after the Firestone Tire recall and Discount Tire focused on tire quality. Everyone at Purchasing hated him for being “Dr. No.” He told them: Let's put a process together where we validate whom we're buying from. [10:51] He said, we validate the quality of the tires and wheels that we're buying and that frees you up. We could entertain buying from people we would never have entertained buying from because they meet our criteria. Suddenly, it goes from closing the box to expanding the box. [11:07] That's how we have to get people thinking. Once you have the process down, it unburdens you. It allows you to take more risks because you have a way of assessing what the risk is and doing something about it. [11:34] June is Tire Safety Month, promoted by the NHTSA. John is planning on a visit there next week. Tire Safety Month is an opportunity to engage and ask customers: Have you looked at your tires? Do you know what your air pressure is? Discount Tire does free air checks and fills. [12:20] One of the number one things for safety is making sure you have plenty of air in your tires. Most people don't think about it or check it. Talk with customers about tire tread depth and why there are treads. [12:54] Tire Safety Month is June because school is over and people will be taking road trips. Be aware of your tires. Check your air pressure and tread depth. The tread is essential for driving in rain or snow so you don't hydroplane and you can brake properly. Get your tires checked. [13:47] These things matter. There's a reason tires are designed the way they are. The public generally doesn't know. When John started working in tires he had no idea they came in different sizes. Everybody has a first day at work. [14:26] People generally don't change tires on their own, because you need a machine. [14:34] Plug Time! RIMS Webinars! On June 5th, Zywave joins us to discuss “Today's Escalating Risk Trajectory: What's the Cause and What's the Solution?”. [14:49] On June 17th, Origami Risk returns to present “Strategic Risk Financing in an Unstable Economy: Leveraging Technology for Efficiency and Cost Reduction”. [15:00] More webinars will be announced soon and added to the RIMS.org/Webinars page. Go there to register. Registration is complimentary for RIMS members. [15:11] Are you a summer intern and interested in learning more about career opportunities in the insurance industry? Are you based in the Greater Chicago area? If so, join Chicago RIMS in a free event sponsored by Origami Risk. [15:29] Students and insurance professionals will come together to explore the wide variety of career paths in insurance and the captive industry. This event will provide you with valuable insights into the industry and allow you to start building your network with peers in the area. [15:44] This is an opportunity to learn from industry experts and kickstart your career in insurance. Register at ChicagoRIMS.org and mark your calendar for this free event on July 10th at 3:30 p.m. at 222 N LaSalle, STE 2100 in Chicago, IL. [16:04] Let's Return to Our Conversation with John Baldwin of Discount Tire!  [16:23] John points out mistakes in tire safety and maintenance. Are you overloading your vehicle? If you pull a trailer, are you loading the trailer correctly? Are you overdriving your abilities in bad weather? It's not about going fast, it's about stopping fast and being able to steer. [16:57] Be mindful of the conditions around you and how other people are driving. Most people tend to overestimate their abilities, especially if they're not in those conditions often. [17:19] Fleet safety is another topic. You have to pay attention to the details. [18:10] Discount Tire is a large purchaser of tires. Tire salesmen came in and boasted about their tires and downplayed their competition's tires. Discount Tire didn't have a basis for pushing back so they hired a driver and started testing the tires. They got warranty information. [18:39] A year after Discount Tire started testing tires for internal information, Chief Strategy Officer Dave Ginsberg, a data scientist, joined Discount Tire. He was thinking of an algorithm to help people pick tires. John told him of the data they gathered to help Discount Tire pick tires. [19:10] Both Discount Tire and the consumers have the same problem, what to buy. There's a lot out there. David put together the math behind Treadwell, and John's team generated the data. It's based on what you drive, where you drive, and how you drive, on city roads or a highway. [19:48] Not every car is a commuter. Some people just drive on the weekend. On different cars, different trim levels come with different tire sizes and wheel sizes. A key issue is what mileage you can expect. Discount Tire does free rotations. That gives them data on how long a tire lasts. [20:41] Discount Tire tests in winter and rain. They also test worn tires that they've buffed down to 4/32nds and test them in the wet. Tires are only new for the first couple thousand miles. Then various changes occur in how your tires perform over time. [21:11] So that's what we're trying to get at with people. We've changed a lot about how the tire industry's looking and talking about that, all for the customer, to relay to you how this is going to work over the life of your tire. [21:26] There are annual evaluations of over 75 new tire models each year. When Cooper was bought by Goodyear, the track Discount Tire was using for testing became redundant for Goodyear, so Discount Tire purchased it. They have a third-party test for them. [22:16] John tells tire manufacturers that Discount Tire uses Treadwell internally when talking about what tires to buy. It's the same version and data that consumers see. It's a unique tool. [22:58] There were some other sellers doing testing. Tire Rack was one of them. Discount Tire bought Tire Rack at the beginning of '22. They continue to do testing. Tire Rack is for the in-depth enthusiast. [24:08] Discount Tire is for the consumer who needs a tire but doesn't know a lot about tires, doesn't have a lot of time, and doesn't want to get ripped off. There's a lot of technical data. Discount Tire Treadwell quickly boils it down to suggest which tire the customer should buy. [24:18] Another point about Treadwell is that it has nothing to do with the cost of the tire or how much money Discount Tire makes from the sale. It's about the performance of the tire. It encourages the customer to look down the list for the diamond in the rough. It's a good tool. [24:49] The tire manufacturers have looked at the tool and said they want to win at Treadwell. It's impossible to do. The local weather affects the algorithm. Chances are, a good tire in Arizona is not a good tire in Minnesota because of the weather. Treadwell is objective. [25:31] Treadwell took two years to launch from conception. They had to get enough data from the stores in the field and enough testing to launch a small subset of tires. Now, they have almost every tire tested or it's on the list to get tested. When a new tire comes, they test it. [26:16] One of the things Discount Tire found is that it took some time after launch for the store managers to buy into using it with customers. They didn't understand it was a real tool. [26:40] In the last year or so, Discount Tire has started taking store managers through Treadwell to be tire evaluators for a day, testing at the track. They get a T-shirt, The Treadwell Experience. It has been game-changing. The tool has been embraced internally. [27:32] One of the store managers said Treadwell is like having a test track behind every store. [27:41] Plug Time! The very first RIMS Texas Regional Conference will be held from August 4th through the 6th in San Antonio at the Henry B. González Convention Center. Early Bird Registration is now open through June 7th. Save up to 20% on a Full-Conference Pass. [28:03] Hotel cut-off for the discounted rate is available through July 7th. The full Conference Agenda is now live so you can start planning your experience. Don't miss the post-conference workshop, the RIMS-CRMP Exam Prep Course, available onsite. [28:19] Also register by June 7th for your Early Bird Registration and save $200. Any chapter member can attend and anyone who is not a RIMS member has to email RIMStexas@RIMS.org to request a unique registration code. Links are in this episode's show notes. [28:39] You can also visit the Events Page of RIMS.org for more information. We look forward to seeing you in Texas! [28:47] About the Spencer Educational Foundation's Grants program. Spencer's goal to help build a talent pipeline of risk management and insurance professionals is achieved, in part, by its collaboration with risk management and insurance educators across the U.S. and Canada. [29:04] Since 2010, Spencer has awarded over $3.3 million in General Grants to support over 130 student-centered experiential learning initiatives at universities and RMI non-profits. Spencer's 2026 application process is now open through July 30th, 2025. [29:25] General Grant awardees are typically notified at the end of October. Learn more about Spencer's General Grants through the Programs tab of SpencerEd.org. [29:35] Let's Return to the Conclusion of My Interview with Discount Tire's John Baldwin! [30:01] Discount Tire tests rolling resistance; how much fuel or energy per mile one tire absorbs, vs. another tire. Tires that roll easier don't take as much fuel. With battery vehicles, range is a big deal. Tire rolling resistance ranking for electric vehicles is incorporated into the algorithm. [30:47] If you have the same tire, size, construction, and everything, one on a gas vehicle and one on an electric vehicle, there is typically 10 to 15% faster wear on the battery vehicle because of the weight and a little bit of the torque. They factor the car in for the mileage estimation. [31:15] Noise becomes more of a consideration with electric vehicles because there's no engine noise. The whirring noise electric cars make is added so they're not completely silent. [31:49] Amazon made a big commitment to electric vehicles with Rivian. A lot of Uber drivers are starting to use Model 3 vehicles. There is a trend toward hybrid gas/electric vehicles. [32:41] Treadwell is testing off-road tires. If you take a truck out in the mud, you want a tire that works in the mud and rocks. Treadwell just expanded into testing winter tires. [33:27] Discount Tire is thinking about working with Tire Rack to rank summer tires and more. [33:52] John is on the Board of Directors of the Tire Recycling Foundation. The foundation is jointly put together through the United States Tire Manufacturing Association and also the Tire Industry Association, the retailers. [34:17] We need to find more recycling uses for tires. Twenty percent of scrap tires that come off today are landfilled. Thirty percent are burned in kilns. Fifteen percent are sold used. Used tires are not optimized for safety. [34:51] Is there a way to recycle these tires back into tires rubber-modified asphalt, or mats? There are so many other things you can do with tires besides burning them and burying them. [35:12] To go into asphalt, tires are ground up and then added to the mix. It's a different process, which when done right, provides a quieter surface with a better grip and it lasts longer. It's a good use of tires and would take care of the scrap tire problem. [35:37] Being in the Tire Recycling Foundation complements John's job at Discount Tire. How to recycle tires has been a problem in the U.S. tire industry for 100 years. [36:34] Municipalities sometimes have a Waste Date to drop off your hazardous waste. Instead of taking it there, you can bring it to a Discount Tire or a competitor. Then it will be recycled. [38:04] People can go to TireRecyclingFoundation.org for more information. It's a broad-based coalition. [38:59] John, it has been a real pleasure to speak with you. It's been illuminating. I'm glad that we're shining a lot on how important tires are to our daily lives and the supply chain. I don't know that we've ever done an episode devoted to tires! This is super cool for us at RIMS! [39:22] Special thanks again to John Baldwin of Discount Tire for joining us. [39:26] I've got links in this episode's show notes for information about Treadwell, the Tire Recycling Foundation, and Discount Tire's appearance on the RIMS Riskonnect on April 24th, 2025 webinar, “Better Together: The Marriage of Insurable Risk and Business Continuity”. [39:46] Plug Time! You can sponsor a RIMScast episode for this, our weekly show, or a dedicated episode. Links to sponsored episodes are in the show notes. [40:13] RIMScast has a global audience of risk and insurance professionals, legal professionals, students, business leaders, C-Suite executives, and more. Let's collaborate and help you reach them! Contact pd@rims.org for more information. [40:32] Become a RIMS member and get access to the tools, thought leadership, and network you need to succeed. Visit RIMS.org/membership or email membershipdept@RIMS.org for more information. [40:49] Risk Knowledge is the RIMS searchable content library that provides relevant information for today's risk professionals. Materials include RIMS executive reports, survey findings, contributed articles, industry research, benchmarking data, and more. [41:05] For the best reporting on the profession of risk management, read Risk Management Magazine at RMMagazine.com. It is written and published by the best minds in risk management. [41:19] Justin Smulison is the Business Content Manager at RIMS. You can email Justin at Content@RIMS.org. [41:27] Thank you all for your continued support and engagement on social media channels! We appreciate all your kind words. Listen every week! Stay safe!   Links: RIMS Texas Regional 2025 — August 4‒6 | Advance registration rates are now open. RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RISK PAC | RIMS Advocacy RIMS Risk Management magazine RIMS Now The Strategic and Enterprise Risk Center Spencer Educational Foundation — General Grants 2026 — Application Deadline July 30, 2025 RIMS-CRMP Advanced Enterprise Risk Management (ERM) Certificate Program — Featuring Instructor James Lam! Register by July 7. | Bi-weekly course begins July 16. Tire Safety Month — NHTSA The Tire Recycling Foundation “All About Treadwell” — John Baldwin Interview “Better Together: The Marriage of Insurable Risk and Business Continuity” — A RIMS Webinar, Sponsored by Riskonnect and featuring Discount Tire (April 24, 2025) RIMS Webinars: RIMS.org/Webinars “Today's Escalating Risk Trajectory: What's the Cause & What's the Solution?” | Sponsored by Zywave | June 5, 2025 “Strategic Risk Financing in an Unstable Economy: Leveraging Technology for Efficiency and Cost Reduction” | Sponsored by Origami Risk | June 17, 2025   Upcoming RIMS-CRMP Prep Virtual Workshops: RIMS-CRMP Exam Prep Virtual Workshop — June 10‒11, 2025 | Presented by RIMS and NAIT Full RIMS-CRMP Prep Course Schedule “Managing Data for ERM” | June 12 | Instructor: Pat Saporito  “Generative AI for Risk Management” | June 26 | Instructor: Pat Saporito See the full calendar of RIMS Virtual Workshops RIMS-CRMP Prep Workshops   Related RIMScast Episodes: “Company Safety and RIMS Chapter Leadership with Tamieka Weeks” “Safety and Preparedness in 2024 with National Safety Council CEO Lorraine Martin” “Traffic Awareness with Carol Fritzsche of Subaru of America” “Fleet Safety with NETS Executive Director Susan Gillies-Hipp” (2022)   Sponsored RIMScast Episodes: “The New Reality of Risk Engineering: From Code Compliance to Resilience” | Sponsored by AXA XL (New!) “Change Management: AI's Role in Loss Control and Property Insurance” | Sponsored by Global Risk Consultants, a TÜV SÜD Company “Demystifying Multinational Fronting Insurance Programs” | Sponsored by Zurich “Understanding Third-Party Litigation Funding” | Sponsored by Zurich “What Risk Managers Can Learn From School Shootings” | Sponsored by Merrill Herzog “Simplifying the Challenges of OSHA Recordkeeping” | Sponsored by Medcor “Risk Management in a Changing World: A Deep Dive into AXA's 2024 Future Risks Report” | Sponsored by AXA XL “How Insurance Builds Resilience Against An Active Assailant Attack” | Sponsored by Merrill Herzog “Third-Party and Cyber Risk Management Tips” | Sponsored by Alliant “RMIS Innovation with Archer” | Sponsored by Archer “Navigating Commercial Property Risks with Captives” | Sponsored by Zurich “Breaking Down Silos: AXA XL's New Approach to Casualty Insurance” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Weathering Today's Property Claims Management Challenges” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Storm Prep 2024: The Growing Impact of Convective Storms and Hail” | Sponsored by Global Risk Consultants, a TÜV SÜD Company “Partnering Against Cyberrisk” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Harnessing the Power of Data and Analytics for Effective Risk Management” | Sponsored by Marsh “Accident Prevention — The Winning Formula For Construction and Insurance” | Sponsored by Otoos “Platinum Protection: Underwriting and Risk Engineering's Role in Protecting Commercial Properties” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Elevating RMIS — The Archer Way” | Sponsored by Archer   RIMS Publications, Content, and Links: RIMS Membership — Whether you are a new member or need to transition, be a part of the global risk management community! RIMS Virtual Workshops On-Demand Webinars RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RISK PAC | RIMS Advocacy RIMS Strategic & Enterprise Risk Center RIMS-CRMP Stories — Featuring RIMS President Kristen Peed!   RIMS Events, Education, and Services: RIMS Risk Maturity Model®   Sponsor RIMScast: Contact sales@rims.org or pd@rims.org for more information.   Want to Learn More? Keep up with the podcast on RIMS.org, and listen on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.   Have a question or suggestion? Email: Content@rims.org.   Join the Conversation! Follow @RIMSorg on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.   About our guest: John M Baldwin, PhD, Chief Product & Technical Officer, Discount Tire   Production and engineering provided by Podfly.  

Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   Justin and his guest, Tamieka Weeks, discuss highlights from her risk career and how she felt, pivoting from claims adjusting to risk management. Tamieka tells of her role at Southwire and how she helps the evolving risk and insurance group. Tamieka digs into challenges she has faced at Southwire and in the RIMS Atlanta Chapter, where she serves on the board as a past president. She tells how the Chapter survived and improved during COVID-19. Tamieka speaks of her instant love of risk management and the excitement of waking up each day not knowing what was coming next. Tamieka provides advice for rising professionals and tells how the RIMS Atlanta Chapter works with risk and insurance students. Listen to Tamieka's advice for you. Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMS and RIMScast. [:15] Registration is open for RISKWORLD 2025. Engage Today and Embrace Tomorrow with RIMS, from May 4th through May 7th in Chicago, Illinois. Register at RIMS.org/RISKWORLD. [:26] After you register, visit your App Store, search for RIMS Events, and download the RIMS Events App. Select RISKWORLD 2025, load the show onto your phone, and start building your RISKWORLD itinerary! [:42] About this episode of RIMScast. Our guest is former RIMS Atlanta Chapter President, Tamieka Weeks. We will talk about her career journey and all the fantastic work she's done for the RIMS Atlanta Chapter. [1:07] In the spirit of National Electrical Safety Month, we will learn how she drives a culture of safety at Southwire. [1:15] RIMS-CRMP Workshops! RIMS is co-hosting an intensive four-day program which is your gateway to achieving two prestigious certifications, the DRI Certified Business Continuity Professional (CBCP) and the RIMS Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP). [1:34] This workshop will be held from May 19th through the 22nd in collaboration with DRI International. Links to these courses can be found through the Certification page of RIMS.org and this episode's show notes. [1:49] Virtual Workshops! On June 12th, Pat Saporito will host “Managing Data for ERM” and she will return on June 26th to present the very popular new course, “Generative AI for Risk Management”. [2:06] A link to the full schedule of virtual workshops can be found on the RIMS.org/education and RIMS.org/education/online-learning pages. A link is also in this episode's show notes. [2:17] RISKWORLD registration is open. Engage Today and Embrace Tomorrow, from May 4th through 7th in Chicago. Register at RIMS.org/RISKWORLD. Also, remember that there will be lots of pre-conference workshops being held in Chicago just ahead of RISKWORLD. [2:35] These courses include “Applying and Integrating ERM,” “Captives as an Alternate Risk Financing Technique,” and more! The links are in the show notes. [2:45] The Spencer Educational Foundation is having a Flash Sale for sponsorships at RISKWORLD! Sponsorship pricing has been reduced for the Spencer-CNA Pickleball Social on Saturday, May 3rd, and the Spencer-Gallagher Golf Tournament on Sunday, May 4th. [3:03] Sponsorships are still available for the Spencer-Sedgwick 5K Fun Run on Tuesday, May 6th. Visit Spencered.org/riskworld2025 to learn about these opportunities and more. Also, reach out to Spencer's Executive Director Megan Miller at MMiller@Spencered.org. [3:26] Our guest today is the Director of Global Risk Management and Insurance at Southwire Company in Georgia. She is also the former RIMS Atlanta Chapter President. Under her leadership, the chapter took home the RIMS 2022 Chapter of the Year Award at RISKWORLD. [3:46] She is Tamieka Weeks and I am so thrilled to finally get her on RIMScast to talk about her career journey, her work at Southwire, and what it was like to lead the RIMS Atlanta Chapter. [3:59] We will also talk about how Tamieka helps drive a culture of safety at Southwire, in the spirit of National Electrical Safety Month, coming up in May. [4:08] Interview! Tamieka Weeks, welcome to RIMScast!  [4:31] Tamieka Weeks started as a claims adjuster with a finance degree. Her career has been so different from many. Tamieka hopes all will take their journey for what it's worth and be proud of their accomplishments. [5:08] When someone approaches you with an opportunity, say Yes! Don't turn it down. You never know what doors may open. As a former claims adjuster, and now the Director of Global Risk Management and Insurance, she wants to have a relationship with the claims adjusters. [5:45] In a file review, Tamieka wants to know the why behind an insurance policy. She purchases a policy with the intent of protecting Southwire's assets. [6:29] Southwire is about an hour west of Atlanta, in Carrollton, Georgia. It is the leading manufacturer of wiring cable. Southwire will celebrate 75 years in March of 2030. Southwire is excited about where it is today and is looking forward to continuing to grow globally. [7:13] Tamieka knows to expect the unexpected and be able to pivot. She never knows what may come up in a day. She is open. She knows she is there to support the organization. [7:38] Tamieka is a trusted advisor and a subject matter expert within the organization. She prides herself on ensuring that everyone knows that she is here to support them. [7:54] Southwire has 9,000 employees. In November 2024, Southwire launched a risk management SharePoint site. It goes into risk management insurance definitions and surety bonds definitions. It's all about sharing the knowledge of the industry. [8:26] The SharePoint site also provides the claims reporting. Tamieka educates the employees on what to do when an incident occurs. The first thing is to report the claim to the TPA. If they have any questions, they can contact Tamieka. Tamieka is also responsible for surety bonds. [9:16] There is a checklist for property claims and those are reported to Tamieka. The instructions for what needs to happen on a property claim are on the SharePoint site. It's important to notify Tamieka so she can report the property claim. [9:32] It's all about everyone being aware of what needs to happen about an event. [9:41] Tamieka has been with Southwire for almost 12 years. She helped build the risk culture at Southwire. It's been a fun ride, for sure! [9:53] Tamieka partnered with several team members to develop the SharePoint site. It's been exciting for the organization. It was launched by the IT department and several others. Tamieka had spoken with risk professionals throughout the industry about what they were launching. [10:33] The beauty of the risk industry is that we don't have to reinvent the wheel. It's all about what we can do to enhance their organization through process improvement. [11:00] When Tamieka started with Southwire, she was busy administering certificates of insurance. The SharePoint site streamlines everything in a central location. People can see their insurance limits, request what they need, and submit information to their insurance brokers. [11:45] Tamieka's risk team of about 5 people reports to the General Counsel department. [12:27] Plug Time! RIMS Webinars! On April 24th, Riskonnect returns to deliver “Better Together: The Marriage of Insurable Risk and Business Continuity.” Nonmembers can use the code BETTER50 at checkout for complimentary registration. [12:44] Zurich's webinar, “Understanding Third-Party Litigation Funding” was rescheduled and will be held on May 1st at 1:00 p.m. Eastern. [12:52] If you were already registered for the original date, you do not need to take any action: You are now registered for the May 1st session with Zurich about “Understanding Third-Party Litigation Funding.” [13:04] On May 22nd, webinars are back with GRC, a TÜV SÜD Company, and their newest session, “Asset Valuations in 2025: Managing Tariffs, Inflation, and Rising Insurance Scrutiny”. [13:20] On June 5th, Zywave joins us to discuss “Today's Escalating Risk Trajectory: What's the Cause and What's the Solution?” We'll find out on June 5th! [13:31] More webinars will be announced soon and added to the RIMS.org/Webinars page. Go there to register. Registration is complimentary for RIMS members. [13:43] There was a brief extension for educational session submissions for RIMS Canada, which will be held from September 14th through the 17th in Calgary. The link is in this episode's show notes. Visit RIMSCanadaConference.ca and submit your session by April 24th. [14:00] Let's Return to Our Interview with Former RIMS Atlanta Chapter President Tamieka Weeks! [14:18] When Tamieka joined risk management, she loved it instantly because it's continually evolving. The market and your company are evolving and you have to be able to embrace the change. There are always new risks and emerging risks. [14:43] Once, cyber risk was new. Now the new risk we're talking about is AI. Who knows what new risk we will be talking about in the next nine months to a year? To be in the risk management industry, you have to love it to wake up each day not knowing what to expect. [15:16] Tamiela says the meaningful relationships that we establish from day to day, month to month, and year to year are truly amazing. The industry is amazing, as well, from Atlanta to global. She is excited about RISKWORLD 2025 in Chicago. [15:43] RISKWORLD 2025 will be held from May 4th through May 7th, in Chicago, Illinois. [15:47] May is also National Electrical Safety Awareness Month in the U.S. Southwire is always focused on safety, with monthly training for team members. They focus on team members from entering the facilities to exiting the facilities. Safety is number one. [16:28] Southwire's Environmental Health and Safety Department strives for safety. Southwire recently completed Lockout/Tagout training, a safety procedure for properly shutting off equipment to ensure that no one is accidentally injured if machinery is being serviced. [17:01] Tamieka says labeling is placed on Southwire wires and cables to ensure the customers are aware of how to use the products. Customers can also download information on the safe use of Southwire products. This is part of Southwire's Environmental Health and Safety efforts. [17:43] RIMS Plug! From Ryan Harris, upcoming Keynote on the Main Stage on May 6th at RISKWORLD 2025, “Greetings RIMS members and global risk professionals! I'm Ryan Harris, Champion of Super Bowl 50, best-selling author, and award-winning broadcaster. [18:02] “I'm thrilled to be your Main Stage Keynote for RISKWORLD 2025, where we will discuss the transformative five steps to building a championship team and leading to win! You can learn more about me and my story by listening to RIMScast. [18:18] ”And more than anything, make sure to register for RISKWORLD 2025 by visiting RIMS.org/riskworld. I'm so thrilled to see you and I'm looking forward to us building together so that you can reach your greatest success!” [18:33] Thank you, again, Ryan. We look forward to seeing you at RISKWORLD 2025 on May 6th. A link to Ryan's episode of RIMScast, #325, is in this episode's show notes. Get a preview of the Super Bowl Champion and remember to register for RISKWORLD 2025. [18:49] Let's Return to the Conclusion of Our Interview with Tamieka Weeks! [19:10] Tamieka describes practicing risk management in the greater Atlanta area. She says it's all about the people and the risk management community. Everybody just loves everybody! It's Southern hospitality. When she joined the Atlanta RIMS Chapter, it was very welcoming. [19:34] When Tamieka joined the board, the board members saw so much potential in her. They assured her she could do this. Tamieka says Atlanta is the land of opportunity. Tamieka joined the chapter in 2013. She became the first Black female President of the Atlanta Chapter. [20:38] Tamieka became Chapter President during COVID-19. Her thoughts were about what she could do to make the organization better and what she could do for succession planning. [20:59] Members were at home. Tamieka connected with the previous presidents and prior board members. No one was in person. Tamieka asked the previous officers for their notes. They were happy to talk and share ideas to make the chapter succeed. [22:02] That moment was more about the Chapter and less about Tamieka. Tamieka built committees and sent surveys. Tamieka wanted to hear what the members had to say. She gave the board and members a voice. It was a fun time, working to make the chapter better. [22:44] The feedback from past presidents was the foundation to win 2022 Chapter of the Year! Their ability and willingness to help Tamieka in her role made the RIMS Atlanta Chapter special. [23:33] The chapter had a virtual social hour with a mixologist. They had a virtual trivia game. They had a virtual mentor event. They raised money at a Virtual Aid Conference. They were creative in everything they did. They were able to connect with members in a challenging time. [24:20] The surveys were critical. They partnered with global RIMS to enhance their bylaws. The new bylaws permitted the board to meet virtually. They changed their chapter website. They made many improvements to the chapter's success. [24:58] In 2025, Tamieka received the Walter H. Buce Jr. Memorial Award which honors the insurance and risk management professional of the year in the RIMS Atlanta Chapter. Tamieka calls the award overwhelming. She is deeply honored. It means the world to her. [26:04] Tamieka's advice for young risk professionals: “Stay focused. When others see potential in you, listen to them. Don't shy away. Work hard. Set clear goals. Trust in yourself. Stay dedicated. Be persistent. Be intentional. Your path will eventually reveal itself. [29:29] “You're going to have people around you that are going to be your cheerleaders. Please find a mentor. They're going to support you along the way. In Atlanta, I would also say we have focused on bridging the gap of rising risk professionals and students entering the industry.” [27:08] “The RIMS Atlanta Chapter has embraced what we can do to help and support the young professionals who are focused on entering the industry soon. That's been a huge success for the RIMS Atlanta Chapter, as well.” [27:28] Tamieka Weeks, It's such a pleasure to see you again. I look forward to seeing you after this episode comes out, at RISKWORLD 2025 in Chicago. Tamieka is looking forward to seeing everyone, It's going to be a great RISKWORLD! [27:46] Special thanks again to former RIMS Atlanta Chapter President and Walter Buce Award Winner, Tamieka Weeks for joining us here on RIMScast! Learn more about her and the chapter's fantastic work through the link in this episode's show notes. Of course, visit AtlantaRIMS.org. [28:05] Plug Time! You can sponsor a RIMScast episode for this, our weekly show, or a dedicated episode. Links to sponsored episodes are in the show notes. [28:32] RIMScast has a global audience of risk and insurance professionals, legal professionals, students, business leaders, C-Suite executives, and more. Let's collaborate and help you reach them! Contact pd@rims.org for more information. [28:50] Become a RIMS member and get access to the tools, thought leadership, and network you need to succeed. Visit RIMS.org/membership or email membershipdept@RIMS.org for more information. [29:08] Risk Knowledge is the RIMS searchable content library that provides relevant information for today's risk professionals. Materials include RIMS executive reports, survey findings, contributed articles, industry research, benchmarking data, and more. [29:24] For the best reporting on the profession of risk management, read Risk Management Magazine at RMMagazine.com. It is written and published by the best minds in risk management. [29:38] Justin Smulison is the Business Content Manager at RIMS. You can email Justin at Content@RIMS.org. [29:46] Thank you all for your continued support and engagement on social media channels! We appreciate all your kind words. Listen every week! Stay safe!   Links: RISKWORLD 2025 — May 4‒7 | Register today! Download the RIMS Events app! Spencer's RISKWORLD Events — Register or Sponsor! RIMS Texas Regional 2025 — August 3‒5 | Advance registration rates now open. RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RISK PAC | RIMS Advocacy RIMS Risk Management magazine RIMS Now The Strategic and Enterprise Risk Center Spencer Educational Foundation — General Grants 2026 — Application Dates Submit a session to RIMS Canada 2025 — Final Deadline April 24. RIMS Atlanta Chapter RIMS Webinars: RIMS.org/Webinars “Better Together: The Marriage of Insurable Risk and Business Continuity” | Sponsored by Riskonnect | April 24, 2025 “Understanding Third-Party Litigation Funding” | Sponsored by Zurich | May 1, 2025 “Asset Valuations in 2025: Managing Tariffs, Inflation, and Rising Insurance Scrutiny” | Sponsored by GRC, a TÜV SÜD Company | May 22, 2025 “Today's Escalating Risk Trajectory: What's the Cause & What's the Solution?” | Sponsored by Zywave | June 5, 2025   Upcoming RIMS-CRMP Prep Virtual Workshops: CBCP & RIMS-CRMP Exam Prep Virtual Bootcamp: Mastering Business Continuity & Risk Management | May 19‒22, 2025 | In Collaboration with DRI International Full RIMS-CRMP Prep Course Schedule “Managing Data for ERM” | June 12 | Instructor: Pat Saporito  “Generative AI for Risk Management” | June 26 | Instructor: Pat Saporito See the full calendar of RIMS Virtual Workshops RIMS-CRMP Prep Workshops   Related RIMScast Episodes: “ERM, Retail, and Risk with Jeff Strege” “Risk and Leadership Patterns with Super Bowl Champion Ryan Harris” (RISKWORLD 2025 Keynote) “Maintaining an Award-Winning ERM Program with Michael Zuraw” “RIMS Legislative Priorities in 2025 with Mark Prysock”   Sponsored RIMScast Episodes: “Demystifying Multinational Fronting Insurance Programs” | Sponsored by Zurich (New!) “Understanding Third-Party Litigation Funding” | Sponsored by Zurich “What Risk Managers Can Learn From School Shootings” | Sponsored by Merrill Herzog “Simplifying the Challenges of OSHA Recordkeeping” | Sponsored by Medcor “Risk Management in a Changing World: A Deep Dive into AXA's 2024 Future Risks Report” | Sponsored by AXA XL “How Insurance Builds Resilience Against An Active Assailant Attack” | Sponsored by Merrill Herzog “Third-Party and Cyber Risk Management Tips” | Sponsored by Alliant “RMIS Innovation with Archer” | Sponsored by Archer “Navigating Commercial Property Risks with Captives” | Sponsored by Zurich “Breaking Down Silos: AXA XL's New Approach to Casualty Insurance” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Weathering Today's Property Claims Management Challenges” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Storm Prep 2024: The Growing Impact of Convective Storms and Hail” | Sponsored by Global Risk Consultants, a TÜV SÜD Company “Partnering Against Cyberrisk” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Harnessing the Power of Data and Analytics for Effective Risk Management” | Sponsored by Marsh “Accident Prevention — The Winning Formula For Construction and Insurance” | Sponsored by Otoos “Platinum Protection: Underwriting and Risk Engineering's Role in Protecting Commercial Properties” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Elevating RMIS — The Archer Way” | Sponsored by Archer   RIMS Publications, Content, and Links: RIMS Membership — Whether you are a new member or need to transition, be a part of the global risk management community! 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Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   Justin Smulison interviews Raji H. Chadarevian, Executive Director, Actuarial Research , the National Council of Compensation Insurance, or NCCI, about opioid use and related risks for injured workers. Raji and Justin talk about the statistics. The good news is that through the joint efforts of insurers, the NCCI, prescribing physicians, pharmacies, and employers, the utilization of opioids for pain management in injured workers, while appropriate in some cases, has decreased sharply in the last eight years, and continuing efforts to find alternative pain management systems should keep that trend going.   Listen in for more information about recovery awareness, and what your company can do to help injured workers avoid opioid addiction. Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMS. [:14] RISKWORLD 2025 will take place in Chicago, Illinois from May 4th through May 7th. The call for submissions is now open through August 27th. A link to the submission form is in this episode's show notes. [:30] Virtual Workshops! Applying and Integrating ERM is back and it will be hosted by Elise Farnham on September 25th and 25th and also on December 4th and 5th. [:56] On August 29th, Pat Saporito returns to discuss Optimizing Risk Management with Artificial Intelligence. [1:05] On October 9th and 10th, Chris Hansen returns to deliver Fundamentals of Insurance. Other dates for the Fall and the Winter are available on the virtual workshops calendar at RIMS.org/virtualworkshops. [1:24] RIMS-CRMP Prep Courses! On September 10th and 11th, the RIMS-CRMP Exam Prep will be held with NAIT. There is another RIMS-CRMP Exam Prep on September 12th and 13th. [1:38] The next RIMS-CRMP-FED Exam Prep course will be hosted along with George Mason University on December 3rd through 5th, 2024. Links to these courses can be found on the Certification Page of RIMS.org and in this episode's show notes. [1:53] Events! We've got the DFW RIMS 2024 Fall Conference and Spa Event happening on September 19th in Irving, Texas. Learn more about that event in Episode 299, which features an interview with the Texas State Office of Risk Management. [2:11] Also on September 19th is the RIMS Chicago Chapter's Chicagoland Risk Forum 2024. Register at ChicagolandRiskForum.org. [2:21] Registration opened for the RIMS Canada Conference 2024 which will be held from October 6th through the 9th in Vancouver. Visit RIMSCanadaConference.ca to register. [2:33] Registration is also open for the RIMS Western Regional, which will be held from September 29th through October 1st at the Sun River Resort in Oregon. Register at RIMSWesternRegional.com. [2:48] We want you to join us in Boston on November 18th and 19th for the RIMS ERM Conference 2024. The agenda is live. The keynote will be announced soon. We want to see you there! A link is in this episode's show notes. [3:04] The nominations are now open for the RIMS ERM Award of Distinction 2024. Nominations are due August 30th. A link to the nomination form is in this episode's show notes. [3:16] If you or someone you know manages an ERM program that delivers the goods, we want to hear about it. A link is in this episode's show notes. All RIMS regional conference information can be found on the Events page at RIMS.org. [3:32] The Interview! With National Recovery Month in September, and National Opioid Awareness Day, September 21st, I wanted to shine a light on opioid addiction and Workers' Compensation claims with new data about opioid abuse and how it impacts the workplace. [4:05] This is a critical risk and I wanted to speak with someone who can tell the story about the data, so I reached out to Raji Chadarevian, the Executive Director for Actuarial Research  at the National Council of Compensation Insurance, or NCCI. [4:24] He has the insight and perspective on the new data that's being released, so let's hear all about it! Raji Chadarevian, welcome to RIMScast! [5:03] Raji states that the NCCI celebrated its 100th anniversary in 2023. The mission of NCCI is to help foster a healthy workers' compensation system. It's an advisory agency for 38 states and the District of Columbia, serving as a comprehensive source for all things workers' comp. [5:47] Raji explains that as an advisory organization, the NCCI provides ratings and statistical advisory insights to the industry, as a whole. It also collects a variety of data. [6:05] Raji is the Executive Director of Research at NCCI. He tells the story behind the numbers. The brainiacs do the research and help him tell the story. [6:47] NCCI collects data representing $30 million in workers' comp premium for just under four million policies a year, six million employer risk reports with detailed information about premiums, claims, and 10 million transactions with detailed information on lost-time claims. [7:17] NCCI collects data on 52 million payments to medical providers for claims every year. The Medical Data Call, where NCCI collects this information, started in 2010. It contains meaningful information to understand the experience of the injured worker throughout the recovery process. [8:01] Mapping the medical data, NCCI gets to understand the medical services provided, where they are provided, by what provider, and for what purpose. The data provides details of drugs prescribed and where they are dispensed, to understand the use of opioids in workers' comp. [8:41] Managing pain is a big part of the recovery for workers' comp injuries. Over the years, NCCI has published opioid use for some 40 states where it collects medical data. This data details precise utilization trends, the types of narcotics used, and the frequency of use. [9:18] The data shows carriers that cover workers' comp for employers are able to compare their experience in any one jurisdiction to statewide trends and act on that intelligence to manage their pharmacy experience. [9:45] In the last eight years, there has been a huge change in opioid prescribing in workers' comp. We've seen a significant decrease. The NCCI data shows that in the last eight years, opioid use in the year after an injury has decreased from 42% of lost time claims to 16%. [11:14] Raji notes this is a very important trend. Being addicted to pain medications makes it hard to manage your daily work when that addiction is taking hold. Opioid use is not opioid addiction. Opioid utilization can lead to opioid addiction. [11:50] There are alternatives to treating pain that have come through with the greater awareness of opioid addiction. [12:04] It's RIMS plug time! Webinars! On August 27th, Riskonnect returns to discuss How To Successfully Deploy AI in Risk Management. On September 5th, Merrill Herzog debuts on RIMS Webinars with the Role of Insurance in Building Resilience Against an Active Assailant Attack. [12:26] On September 12th, HUB International returns to deliver the third part of their Ready for Tomorrow series, Pivot and Swerve: Staying Agile During Shifting Market Dynamics. [12:41] On September 19th, Origami Risk returns to deliver Leveraging Integrated Risk Management For Strategic Advantage. More RIMS Webinars will be announced soon and added to RIMS.org/Webinars. Register there. Registration is always complimentary for RIMS members. [13:00] The RIMS ERM Conference 2024 will be held November 18th and 19th in Boston, Massachusetts. The agenda is live. [13:12] The submission process is open for the RIMS ERM Global Award of Distinction. A link to the application is in this episode's show notes. The deadline for submissions is August 30th. [13:22] So review your organization's ERM program. If you feel it was successful and you have the numbers and the data to back it up, compile that information and get ready to submit your ERM program for the ERM Award of Distinction. [13:37] Back to the Interview! The use of alternative pain medications has driven opioid utilization coming down from 42% of indemnity claims to about 16% of indemnity claims. If you look at all claims, opioid utilization is about one in 16, as opposed to one in four, 10 years ago. [14:12] The huge decrease shows a dramatic change in the way the systems are treating the injured workers, in terms of medications provided. When NCCI first tried to address the opioid epidemic in workers' comp, it held interviews with physicians, carriers, and regulators. [14:50] Workers' comp is a highly regulated system. The regulators had some say in how to manage opioids and other pain prescriptions. There was a meeting of the minds of all stakeholders: those defending the workers, prescribing physicians, carriers, and employers. [15:30] Opioid addiction was an epidemic that impacted the workers' comp system heavily. The conversations with stakeholders led to important insights on what the system can do to manage this experience. [15:57] Each carrier told NCCI they were already developing a specific program to manage the prescribing patterns for injured workers. Regulators were very interested in which opioids were being prescribed. Fentanyl used to be in the top 10 but not anymore. [17:35] The decrease in use was a result of increased awareness across the board, from patients, physicians, claims managers, and employers. Everyone was on board about the seriousness of the opioid situation. [18:11] We have time for one more break! The Spencer Educational Foundation's goal is to help build a talent pipeline of risk management and insurance professionals. That is achieved, in part, by a collaboration with risk management and insurance educators across the U.S. and Canada. [18:28] Whether you want to apply for a grant, participate in the Risk Manager on Campus program, or just learn more about Spencer, visit SpencerEd.org. [18:39] On September 12th, 2024, we look forward to seeing you at the Spencer Funding Their Future Gala at The Cipriani 42nd Street in New York City. Our recent guest from Episode 293, Lilian Vanvieldt-Gray, will be our honoree. [18:55] Lilian is the Executive Vice President and Chief Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Officer at Alliant Insurance Services and she will be honored for her valuable contributions to supporting the future of risk management and insurance. [19:12] That was a great episode, so after you finish this one, please go back and listen to Episode 293. [19:18] Let's conclude our interview with Raji Chadarevian of the NCCI. Justin notes that the decline in opioid utilization has been observed across all study states and the 10 most common medical conditions. [19:53] The share of claims with high opioid usage in the first year following an injury has decreased by approximately 85%, reaching an all-time low of two percent, for injuries occurring in 2022. Opioid utilization has started to level off.  [20:17] Utilization at the early stages of the injured worker's recovery increases the likelihood of continued use. Managing the early stage of opioid utilization is important. [20:57] Physicians have told NCCI that one of the strategies they use is to draw up a contract between the prescribing physician and the injured worker that describes when the opioid utilization is going to decrease and then stop. That is effective in managing expectations. [21:28] The more opioids you have, the more you want. Having that contract allows the prescribing physician to manage the opioid use over time. That is critical because once a person gets to a certain stage of using opioids, it's very hard to get the person off opioids. [21:57] Some injured workers return to work while using prescribed opioids and some do not. One side effect of opioid addiction is polypharmacy, an increase of medications being taken, and it becomes very difficult to manage from a medical perspective. [22:49] The data has shown that if you're able to manage opioid utilization from the beginning, the injured worker's recovery can be managed in a predicted way. [23:31] Risk managers need to pay great attention to the injured worker where there is opioid use, making sure that injured workers who do get on an opioid have the necessary support from a nurse case manager, along with the physician, looking out for the patient's care. [24:19] Opioid utilization results in an improved condition over time, so it's tricky to manage. Measuring pain is also very difficult. Raji advises risk managers to make sure they have the right physicians and people assisting with those cases where there is an opioid prescribed. [24:52] Pay more attention to those folks. If opioid utilization is not well-managed, the consequences can be dramatic. Besides polypharmacy, often the patient is not able to sleep, able to function or go back to work, which becomes a bigger issue. [25:48] Raji suggests there are multiple ways to make sure your employees are well-educated from a health perspective. Part of wellness is to be educated and understand the impact of opioids, and such. There are programs to supply your employees with that information. [26:26] HR organizations, workers' comp management, loss control management, and insurers have the tools to help your workers and aid in awareness. [27:00] It's also important to know that health organizations have training for physicians about opioid addiction and alternative prescriptions for pain management. This coming year, NCCI is looking at alternative pain management techniques like behavioral therapy, and physical therapy. [27:58] There is also virtual reality treatment that has an impact. The NCCI study will look at what is currently being used to manage pain and what alternative treatments are effective, including cannabis, depending on the state and jurisdiction. [29:07] The use of virtual reality for treating pain is in training the brain to understand the pain messages coming through that may be associated with trauma. The pain from an injury may be associated with the psychological impact of the trauma. Virtual reality may treat that impact. [30:19] Raji says that there are some interesting studies taking place now on treating pain with virtual reality, including one at the University of Central Florida. [30:47] Raji contributed to a series for NCCI on the future of workplace safety technology. Raji found that technology to help with posture and carrying things is important in a warehouse. In workers' comp, there are a lot of lower back injuries that could be avoided with proper posture. [33:33] Justin hopes to see some unveiling of ergonomic wearable tech at RISKWORLD 2025 in Chicago. [33:46] The NCCI has an upcoming podcast later in 2024, the NCCI State of the Line Podcast. Raji looks forward to being a regular guest on the show, “if the podcasters are like you, Justin, making the conversation as good as this.” [35:00] Justin thanks Raji for coming on RIMScast to help raise awareness of National Recovery Month and National Opioid Awareness Day and for helping injured workers get the pain management they need and return to work safely. [35:24] Special thanks again to Raji Chadarevian of the National Council on Compensation Insurance. Lots of NCCI links are in this episode's show notes. Later this year, listen for Raji on the upcoming NCCI State of the Line Podcast. [35:44] It's RIMS plug time! The RIMS App is available to RIMS members exclusively. Go to the App Store and download the RIMS App with all sorts of RIMS resources and coverage. It's different from the RIMS Events App. Everyone loves the RIMS App! [36:17] You can sponsor a RIMScast episode for this, our weekly show, or a dedicated episode. Links to sponsored episodes are in our show notes. RIMScast has a global audience of risk and insurance professionals, legal professionals, students, business leaders, C-Suite executives, and more. Let's collaborate and help you reach them! Contact pd@rims.org for more information. [37:01] Become a RIMS member and get access to the tools, thought leadership, and network you need to succeed. Visit RIMS.org/membership or email membershipdept@RIMS.org for more information. [37:19] Risk Knowledge is the RIMS searchable content library that provides relevant information for today's risk professionals. Materials include RIMS executive reports, survey findings, contributed articles, industry research, benchmarking data, and more. [37:35] For the best reporting on the profession of risk management, read Risk Management Magazine at RMMagazine.com. It is written and published by the best minds in risk management. Justin Smulison is the Business Content Manager at RIMS. You can email Justin at Content@RIMS.org. [37:56] Thank you for your continued support and engagement on social media channels! We appreciate all your kind words. Listen every week! Stay safe!   Mentioned in this Episode: DFW RIMS 2024 Fall Conference and Spa Event | Sept 19‒20 Chicagoland Risk Forum 2024 — Presented by RIMS Chicago Chapter — Sept. 19, 2024 RIMS Western Regional — Sept 29‒Oct 1, Oregon | Registration is open! RIMS Canada Conference 2024 — Oct. 6‒9 | Registration is open! 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RIMS Mobile App Risk Management Monitor: “Prescription Opioid Risks to the Workplace Explored at RISKWORLD 2018”   NCCI.com article links: “Opioid Prescribing Across Industry Groups” “On Opioids — The Doctors' Perspective” “On Opioids — Claims Professionals' Perspective” “On Opioids — Regulators' Perspective”   RIMS Webinars: How to Successfully Deploy AI in Risk Management | Sponsored by Riskonnect | Aug. 27, 2024 Role of Insurance in Building Resilience Against an Active Assailant Attack | Sponsored by Merrill Herzog | Sept. 5, 2024 HUB Ready for Tomorrow Series: Pivot and Swerve — Staying Agile During Shifting Market Dynamics | Sept. 12, 2024 Leveraging Integrated Risk Management For Strategic Advantage | Sponsored by Origami Risk | Sept. 19, 2024 RIMS.org/Webinars   Upcoming Virtual Workshops: Managing Data for ERM | Aug. 22, 2024 Optimizing Risk Management with AI | Aug. 29, 2024 Fundamentals of Insurance | Oct 9‒10, 2024 See the full calendar of RIMS Virtual Workshops RIMS-CRMP Prep Workshops   Related RIMScast Episodes: “Mental Health Awareness Month 2023” “Mental Health in the Workplace with Darcy Gruttadaro”   Sponsored RIMScast Episodes: “Weathering Today's Property Claims Management Challenges” | Sponsored by AXA XL (New!) “Storm Prep 2024: The Growing Impact of Convective Storms and Hail” | Sponsored by Global Risk Consultants, a TÜV SÜD Company (New!) “Partnering Against Cyberrisk” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Harnessing the Power of Data and Analytics for Effective Risk Management” | Sponsored by Marsh “Accident Prevention — The Winning Formula For Construction and Insurance” | Sponsored by Otoos “Platinum Protection: Underwriting and Risk Engineering's Role in Protecting Commercial Properties” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Elevating RMIS — The Archer Way” | Sponsored by Archer “Alliant's P&C Outlook For 2024” | Sponsored by Alliant “Why Subrogation is the New Arbitration” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyclone Season: Proactive Preparation for Loss Minimization” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “Subrogation and the Competitive Advantage” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyberrisk Outlook 2023” | Sponsored by Alliant “Chemical Industry: How To Succeed Amid Emerging Risks and a Challenging Market” | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD “Insuring the Future of the Environment” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Insights into the Gig Economy and its Contractors” | Sponsored by Zurich “The Importance of Disaster Planning Relationships” | Sponsored by ServiceMaster   RIMS Publications, Content, and Links: RIMS Membership — Whether you are a new member or need to transition, be a part of the global risk management community! 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Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   Justin Smulison interviews Daniel Eliot of NIST about NIST, its new publications on cybersecurity, including two Quick Start Guides, the Cybersecurity Framework 2.0, and more, Daniel's history with cybersecurity for small businesses and his career-long passion for helping small businesses protect themselves against cybercrime.   Listen in for the latest information on NIST and cybersecurity guidelines for your organization. Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMS. [:14] RISKWORLD 2025 will take place in Chicago, Illinois from May 4th through May 7th. The call for submissions is now open through August 27th. A link to the submission form is in this episode's show notes. [:30] About this episode. We will be joined by Daniel Eliot from the National Institute of Standards and Technology, or NIST. [:52] First, let's talk about RIMS Virtual Workshops. The full calendar of virtual workshops is at RIMS.org/VirtualWorkshops. August 15th starts the three-part series, Leveraging Data and Analytics for Continuous Risk Management. Other dates for the Fall and Winter are available on the Virtual Workshops full calendar at RIMS.org/VirtualWorkshops. [1:14] Let's talk about prep courses for the RIMS-CRMP. On September 10th and 11th, the RIMS-CRMP Exam Prep will be held with NAIT. There is another RIMS-CRMP Exam Prep on September 12th and 13th. [1:29] The next RIMS-CRMP-FED Exam Prep course will be hosted along with George Mason University on December 3rd through 5th, 2024. Links to these courses can be found on the Certification Page of RIMS.org and in this episode's show notes. [1:44] We've got the DFW RIMS 2024 Fall Conference and Spa Event happening on September 19th in Irving, Texas. Learn more about that event in Episode 299, which features an interview with the Texas State Office of Risk Management. [2:02] Also on September 19th is the RIMS Chicago Chapter's Chicagoland Risk Forum 2024. Register at ChicagolandRiskForum.org. [2:12] Registration opened for the RIMS Canada Conference 2024 which will be held from October 6th through the 9th in Vancouver. Visit RIMSCanadaConference.ca to register. [2:25] Registration is also open for the RIMS Western Regional, which will be held from September 29th through October 1st at the Sun River Resort in Oregon. Register at RIMSWesternRegional.com. [2:38] We want you to join us in Boston on November 18th and 19th for the RIMS ERM Conference 2024. The agenda is live. The keynote will be announced soon. We want to see you there! A link is in this episode's show notes. [2:53] The nominations are now open for the RIMS ERM Award of Distinction 2024. Nominations are due August 30th. A link to the nomination form is in this episode's show notes. [3:07] If you or someone you know manages an ERM program that delivers the goods, we want to hear about it. A link is in this episode's show notes. All RIMS regional conference information can be found on the Events page at RIMS.org. [3:24] On with the show! In October, we will celebrate National Cybersecurity Awareness Month. You should observe it all year round, of course. My guest today has a lot of great insight into risk frameworks. He is Daniel Eliot, the Lead for Small Business Engagement in the Applied Cybersecurity Division of The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). [3:48] NIST is part of the U.S. Department of Commerce. Today, we will discuss some of the publicly available risk management frameworks and how they've evolved through the years and the new frameworks that address AI, as well. [4:05] You may remember Daniel from his appearance on an episode in April 2020, when he was with the National Cybersecurity Alliance. He is back to provide some new tips for the global risk management community. [4:18] Daniel Eliot, welcome back to RIMScast! [4:42] Justin and Daniel comment on some things that have changed since April 2020. Daniel was at the National Cybersecurity Alliance (NCA). [5:50] Now Daniel is the Lead for Small Business Engagement in the Applied Cybersecurity Division of The NIST. He shares his journey from NCA to NIST via the National Cybersecurity Center of Excellence, a NIST facility operated by Mitre. [6:52] Daniel is happy to be back supporting the small business community. [7:04] Daniel had worked in a small tech startup for almost seven years. He helped them scale the business and manage the development of their product. Next, Daniel joined the University of Delaware's Small Business Development Center, helping tech businesses start and scale. [8:16] Daniel applied for an SBA grant to help small businesses with cybersecurity. This was in 2014. The Cybersecurity Framework was published in 2014. Daniel applied the Cybersecurity Framework to small businesses. That started Daniel's career in small business cybersecurity. [9:32] There's a new NIST Risk Management Framework (RMF) Small Enterprise Quick Start Guide. Daniel's role at NIST is to coordinate across NIST, government, and the private sector, to create opportunities for the small business community to engage with NIST expertise. [10:19] The RMF Small Enterprise Quick Start Guide is a product of that coordination across NIST, government, and the private sector community. In February, NIST produced the Cybersecurity Framework 2.0 Small Business Quick Start Guide. [10:44] NIST decided to do a Quick Start Guide for a risk management framework for small to medium enterprises. The Risk Management Framework is a process. It's a holistic and repeatable seven-step process for managing security and privacy risks. [11:23] The NIST RMF Quick Start Guide provides an overview of the seven steps of the process, the foundational tasks for each step, tips for getting started with each step, a sample planning table, key terminology and definitions, questions to consider, and related resources. [11:53] It's RIMS plug time! Webinars! All RIMS Webinar registration pages are available at RIMS/org/Webinars. On August 27th, Riskonnect returns to discuss How To Successfully Deploy AI in Risk Management. [12:12] On September 5th, Merrill Herzog makes their RIMS Webinars debut with the Role of Insurance in Building Resilience Against an Active Assailant Attack. On September 19th, Origami Risk returns to deliver Leveraging Integrated Risk Management For Strategic Advantage. [12:28] Justin jumped ahead a bit. On September 12th, HUB International returns to deliver the third part of their Ready for Tomorrow series, Pivot and Swerve: Staying Agile During Shifting Market Dynamics. [12:44] Justin is delighted to be joined by the moderator for that session, the Chief Marketing Officer for Canada at HUB International, Linda Regner Dykeman. Justin welcomes Linda to RIMScast! [13:13] The webinar will be at 1:00 p.m. Eastern Time on September 12th. Linda says they will be discussing current market trends and challenges. The industry has been able to produce some very strong profits over the last few years. [13:29] The market needed correction after many years of unprofitability driven by weather events in the property line where rates seemed to be unsustainable. Casualty also had its issues, particularly with Directors and Officers Liability. [13:47] As a result of the profitability the industry was able to achieve over the last few years, most carriers have become more competitive in growing their books of business. This competition is not being seen in all lines, segments, or geographies. [14:04] Some catastrophe-prone zones such as BC and Alberta have not seen the same level of competition across the board. As the market transitions from a hard market to a competitive environment, there is some unusual and inconsistent behavior. [14:21] Carriers in Canada are being more flexible with their appetite. London is looking to grow significantly over the next couple of years with goals of hitting $100 billion by 2025. Add to that NGAs who are seeing their market share change as local carriers become more competitive. [14:39] As we transition out of what was considered to be a hard market, we see a lot of inconsistency in this market. [14:48] Add to this the supply chain issues, which are not what they once were, the economy is flat with spending, once normalized for an increase in population, it reflects that of a market in a recession. [15:02] We, as brokers are finding competitive solutions to protect our clients. We have to pivot and swerve to discover the right opportunities. [15:13] We had a significant rain event in Toronto, followed by one of the worst wildfires Jasper has ever seen, seemingly a once-in-a-hundred-year event; weather catastrophes are more severe and more frequent. [15:27] How is this going to change the availability of capacity and pricing? Time will tell, as insurers try to figure out if their pricing models included the right loadings for these events. [15:49] Being informed by what is happening in the market; the trends, the opportunities, what's available, and partnering with the right broker, will help a risk manager make an informed decision, appropriate for their business. [16:11] The panelists have decades of experience and expertise across North America. They work with clients, markets, and other experts and bring a much broader perspective and experience to this session. [16:26] Steve Pottle is the risk manager on the panel. He's been omnipresent in RIMS Canada for years. He's a former RIMS VP and is currently the Director for Risk and Safety Services at Thompson Rivers University. Justin says he's one of the best and Linda agrees. [16:57] Linda will moderate. She'll ask the panelists questions HUB International has received from its clients, based on what they are seeing happening in the environment around them. She would also like the audience to pose some questions. Audience participation is encouraged. [17:21] Justin thanks Linda Regner Dykeman of HUB International, and will see her again on September 12th, 2024 for the third installment of HUB's Ready for Tomorrow series, Pivot and Swerve: Staying Agile During Shifting Market Dynamics. [17:37] Let's return to today's interview with Daniel Eliot from NIST. [17:53] Daniel states that the Risk Management Framework is a repeatable seven-step process for managing security and privacy risks. It starts with preparation, categorizing, and understanding the information that your organization processes, stores, and transmits.  [18:20] Then you select controls, and implement those controls to protect the security and privacy of the systems. Then you assess, authorize, and monitor the controls. Are the selected controls producing the desired results? Are there changes to the organization that require new controls? [18:45] You follow the seven steps of the framework in order and repeat them in a cycle. Keep going through it. Every organization regularly changes. Technologies change. People change. That's why the framework has to be repeatable and flexible. [19:05] NIST published this Risk Management Framework Smal Enterprise Quick Start Guide as a tool to raise awareness within the Small and Medium Enterprise (SME) Community about what the Risk Management Framework is and how to get started with it. [19:26] This Quick Start Guide is not intended to guide you on your journey from start to finish for a comprehensive risk management implementation. It is a starting point. [19:41] The Guide has an overview of the steps of the Risk Management Framework, some foundational tasks for each of the RMF steps, some tips for getting started, some sample planning tables, and graphics to help people understand concepts that might be new to them. [20:02] NIST spent a lot of time defining key terminology, extracting terms out of the Risk Management Framework, and highlighting them in this Quick Start Guide. There are phrases and terms in the Risk Management Framework that some people new to it might not understand. [20:24] For example, “authorization boundary.” The Guide highlights and illustrates what these terms mean in the Risk Management Framework and adds questions for organizations to consider and use internally for discussion. The answers may be different for every organization. [21:12] This Guide is a derivative tool from the existing publication that went out for public comment. The Quick Start Guide did not go out for public comment but NIST has circulated Quick Start Guides to some small businesses they know to make sure it's hitting the right note. [21:56] Daniel monitors commentary and looks at how the Guide is received out in the world once it's published. In every Quick Start Guide, there is an opportunity for people to contact NIST if they have questions or if there is an error. NIST is always open to feedback. [23:03] In small businesses, Daniel finds the owner or operator is the Chief Risk Officer, the Janitor, the CISO, and the Chief Marketing Officer. Anyone can use the Risk Management Framework. It's a process. [23:25] Federal agencies, contractors to the federal government, and other sources that use or operate a federal information system typically use the suite of NIST Risk Management Standards and Guidelines to develop and implement a risk-based approach. [23:48] A lot of the audience for this Small Enterprise Quick Start Guide might be small universities, small municipalities, or small federal agencies implementing this Risk Management Framework. [24:27] We have time for one more break! The Spencer Educational Foundation's goal is to help build a talent pipeline of risk management and insurance professionals. That is achieved, in part, by a collaboration with risk management and insurance educators across the U.S. and Canada. [24:45] Whether you want to apply for a grant, participate in the Risk Manager on Campus program, or just learn more about Spencer, visit SpencerEd.org. [24:55] On September 12th, 2024, we look forward to seeing you at the Spencer Funding Their Future Gala at The Cipriani 42nd Street in New York City. Our recent guest from Episode 293, Lilian Vanvieldt-Gray, will be our honoree. [25:11] Lilian is the Executive Vice President and Chief Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Officer at Alliant Insurance Services and she will be honored for her valuable contributions to supporting the future of risk management and insurance. [25:28] That was a great episode, so after you finish this one, please go back and listen to Episode 293. [25:34] Let's conclude our interview with Daniel Eliot of NIST. [26:10] Daniel introduces the U.S. AI Safety Institute, housed within NIST. It's tasked with advancing the science, practice, and adoption of AI safety across the spectrum of risks, including those to national security, public safety, and individual rights. [26:39] The efforts of the U.S. AI Safety Institute initially focused on the priorities assigned to NIST under President Biden's Executive Order on the Safe, Secure, and Trustworthy Development and Use of Artificial Intelligence. [26:51] On July 26th, 2024, they released resources for a variety of aspects of AI technology. Two are new to the public. The first is an initial public draft of a guidance document intended to help software developers mitigate the risks of generative AI and dual-use foundation models. [27:19] The other is a testing platform intended to help AI system users and developers measure how certain types of attacks can degrade the performance of an AI system. These are two opportunities for the public to provide comments on these publications and tools. [27:49] There is a link to the call for comments in this episode's show notes. [28:03] At NIST, foundational publications go out for public comment. NIST wants to hear from U.S. citizens and people all over the world to get their perspectives on NIST's approach to what they're addressing. This is a community effort. Comment periods are important. [28:37] From Daniel's perspective of small business, he seeks the comments of small businesses on these publications. Authors need to hear from organizations, large and small. [28:53] These two new publications are open for public comment. [28:59] three releases are final publications. One is The AI Risk Management Framework Generative AI Profile, which helps organizations identify unique risks posed by generative AI. It includes actions for generative AI risk management. [29:34] A second publication is the Secure Software Development Practices for Generative AI and Dual Use Foundation Models. It addresses concerns about Generative AI systems being compromised with malicious training data that would adversely affect system performance. [30:16] The third publication is A Plan for Global Engagement on AI Standards. It's intended to drive worldwide development and implementation of AI-related consensus standards. Standards require global input from businesses, governments, non-profits, and academia. [30:57] These three final publications have been informed by public comment periods. They're ready to hit the ground running and people can put them into action. [31:15] Daniel is part of the Applied Cybersecurity Division of NIST. The U.S. AI Safety Institute is a different part of NIST. [31:44] Every once in a while, public comments receive spammy messages. [32:23] Daniel says all cybersecurity and privacy risk management comes back to governance and having policies and procedures in place, knowing your contractual and legal responsibilities. Organizations need policies that guide behavior for the appropriate use of AI in their business. [32:59] Individuals in companies have pasted confidential company information into publicly available AI systems. That creates a vulnerability. Have a policy around the use of these tools. [33:31] Criminals have used AI to upgrade phishing scams, reduce grammatical errors, and craft more convincing appeals. [35:00] NIST is raising awareness of different ways of identifying phishing attacks besides looking for grammatical errors, such as looking at the links and the calls to action and other factors that show it is a phishing scam. AI is contributing to their increasing sophistication. [35:43] Daniel shares his tip for new risk professionals. Familiarize yourselves with the suite of resources that NIST has available for cybersecurity and privacy risk management. They have a broad variety of risk management frameworks and resources, like the Quick Start Guide. [36:42] There are online courses, extensive FAQs with answers, and archived talks from SMEs. Take advantage of these resources. Also, let NIST know what other resources might be helpful to you. The core of NIST guidance for any framework is good governance. [37:21] Understand your mission and requirements. Create and maintain policies for good behavior. Understand your supply chain dependencies and vulnerabilities. Good governance sets your organization up for success when implementing and monitoring risk-mitigating controls. [37:56] NIST offers consistent, clear, concise, and actionable resources to small businesses. Since 2018, they have maintained a website, NIST Small Business Cybersecurity Corner, with over 70 resources on the site, all tailored to small businesses. The Quick Start Guides are there. [38:32] The resources include short videos, tip sheets, case studies, and guidance organized by both topic and industry. All the resources are free and produced by federal agencies, such as NIST, FBI, CISA, as well as nonprofit organizations. It's a one-stop shop for this information. [39:04] The resources are regularly updated and expanded to keep the content fresh and relevant. The resource library has the Cybersecurity Basics Section, with eight basic steps businesses can inexpensively implement to reduce cybersecurity risks. [39:28] The Cybersecurity Framework Page highlights the CSF and small business resources related to the CSF. There is topical guidance on Multi-Factor Authentication, Ransomware, Phishing, Government Contracting Requirements, and Choosing a Vendor or Service Provider. [39:53] All the resources are available at NIST.gov/ITL/SmallBusinessCyber. The link is in this episode's show notes. The resources are there for you to use in your organization. [40:30] Justin says, “It has been such a pleasure to reconnect with you here on RIMScast! I always love it when you post on LinkedIn! I think you're great! You're keeping me informed. Happy National Cybersecurity Awareness Month to you!” [40:55] With developments in tech and AI, cybersecurity has taken a back seat, but Justin says it will come back pretty hard. Justin feels it will be sooner than four-and-a-half years for Daniel to return to RIMScast. [41:23] Whatever new technology comes out, cybercriminals are looking at it to see how they can exploit it. There will always be a cybersecurity component to it. [42:05] Daniel Eliot, thank you so much for rejoining us here on RIMScast! [42:10] Special thanks again to Daniel Eliot of NIST for rejoining us here on RIMScast. Lots of links are in this episode's show notes to aid small enterprise owners and risk professionals. [42:25] These resources are publicly available and complimentary, so by all means, use them and leverage them to ensure your organization's cyber resilience. I've got lots of links in this episode's show notes for more cybersecurity coverage from RIMS, as well. [42:44] It's RIMS plug time! The RIMS App is available to RIMS members exclusively. Go to the App Store and download the RIMS App with all sorts of RIMS resources and coverage. It's different from the RIMS Events App. Everyone loves the RIMS App! [43:18] You can sponsor a RIMScast episode for this, our weekly show, or a dedicated episode. Links to sponsored episodes are in our show notes. RIMScast has a global audience of risk and insurance professionals, legal professionals, students, business leaders, C-Suite executives, and more. Let's collaborate and help you reach them! Contact pd@rims.org for more information. [44:02] Become a RIMS member and get access to the tools, thought leadership, and network you need to succeed. Visit RIMS.org/membership or email membershipdept@RIMS.org for more information. [44:20] Risk Knowledge is the RIMS searchable content library that provides relevant information for today's risk professionals. Materials include RIMS executive reports, survey findings, contributed articles, industry research, benchmarking data, and more. [44:36] For the best reporting on the profession of risk management, read Risk Management Magazine at RMMagazine.com. It is written and published by the best minds in risk management. Justin Smulison is the Business Content Manager at RIMS. You can email Justin at Content@RIMS.org. [44:58] Thank you for your continued support and engagement on social media channels! We appreciate all your kind words. Listen every week! Stay safe!   Mentioned in this Episode: DFW RIMS 2024 Fall Conference and Spa Event | Sept 19‒20 Chicagoland Risk Forum 2024 — Presented by RIMS Chicago Chapter — Sept. 19, 2024 RIMS Western Regional — Sept 29‒Oct 1, Oregon | Registration is open! RIMS Canada Conference 2024 — Oct. 6‒9 | Registration is open! Spencer Educational Foundation — Funding Their Future Gala 2024 | Sept. 12, 2024 RIMS ERM Conference 2024 will be in Boston, MA Nov. 18‒19 | Register Now RIMS ERM Award of Distinction — Nominations Open Through Aug. 30, 2024! RISKWORLD 2025 will be in Chicago! May 4‒7 Education Content Submissions for RISKWORLD 2025 NIST Risk Management Framework Small Enterprise Quick Start GuideCybersecurity Framework 2.0 Small Business Quick Start Guide NIST Small Business Cybersecurity Corner U.S. Artificial Intelligence Safety Institute New Guidance and Tools to mitigate AI Risks Managing Misuse Risk for Dual-Use Foundation Models Testing How AI System Models Respond to Attacks Users can send feedback to: dioptra@nist.gov RIMS DEI Council RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS Strategic & Enterprise Risk Center NEW FOR MEMBERS! RIMS Mobile App   RIMS Webinars: How to Successfully Deploy AI in Risk Management | Sponsored by Riskonnect | Aug. 27, 2024 Role of Insurance in Building Resilience Against an Active Assailant Attack | Sponsored by Merrill Herzog | Sept. 5, 2024 HUB Ready for Tomorrow Series: Pivot and Swerve — Staying Agile During Shifting Market Dynamics | Sept. 12, 2024 Leveraging Integrated Risk Management For Strategic Advantage | Sponsored by Origami Risk | Sept. 19, 2024 RIMS.org/Webinars   Upcoming Virtual Workshops: Leveraging Data and Analytics for Continuous Risk Management (Part I) 2024 — Aug 15 See the full calendar of RIMS Virtual Workshops RIMS-CRMP Prep Workshops   Related RIMScast Episodes: “Daniel Eliot's 2020 RIMScast Debut: Cybersecurity Tips for Small Businesses” “300th Episode Spectacular with RIMS CEO Gary LaBranche” “Mid-Year Risk Update with Morgan O'Rourke and Hilary Tuttle” “Emerging Cyber Trends with Davis Hake” “Cybersecurity Awareness Month with Pamela Hans of Anderson Kill”   Sponsored RIMScast Episodes: “Weathering Today's Property Claims Management Challenges” | Sponsored by AXA XL (New!) “Storm Prep 2024: The Growing Impact of Convective Storms and Hail” | Sponsored by Global Risk Consultants, a TÜV SÜD Company (New!) “Partnering Against Cyberrisk” | Sponsored by AXA XL (New!) “Harnessing the Power of Data and Analytics for Effective Risk Management” | Sponsored by Marsh “Accident Prevention — The Winning Formula For Construction and Insurance” | Sponsored by Otoos “Platinum Protection: Underwriting and Risk Engineering's Role in Protecting Commercial Properties” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Elevating RMIS — The Archer Way” | Sponsored by Archer “Alliant's P&C Outlook For 2024” | Sponsored by Alliant “Why Subrogation is the New Arbitration” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyclone Season: Proactive Preparation for Loss Minimization” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “Subrogation and the Competitive Advantage” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyberrisk Outlook 2023” | Sponsored by Alliant “Chemical Industry: How To Succeed Amid Emerging Risks and a Challenging Market” | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD “Insuring the Future of the Environment” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Insights into the Gig Economy and its Contractors” | Sponsored by Zurich “The Importance of Disaster Planning Relationships” | Sponsored by ServiceMaster   RIMS Publications, Content, and Links: RIMS Membership — Whether you are a new member or need to transition, be a part of the global risk management community! RIMS Virtual Workshops On-Demand Webinars RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Stories — New interviews featuring RIMS Risk Management Honor Roll Inductee Mrunal Pandit!   RIMS Events, Education, and Services: RIMS Risk Maturity Model® RIMS Events App Apple | Google Play   Sponsor RIMScast: Contact sales@rims.org or pd@rims.org for more information.   Want to Learn More? Keep up with the podcast on RIMS.org and listen on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.   Have a question or suggestion? Email: Content@rims.org.   Join the Conversation! Follow @RIMSorg on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.   About our guests: Daniel Eliot, Lead for Small Business Engagement Small Business Cybersecurity CornerApplied Cybersecurity DivisionNational Institute of Standards and Technology U.S. Department of Commerce Linda Regner Dykeman, HUB International, Chief Marketing Officer for Canada   Tweetables (Edited For Social Media Use): I'm happy to be back at NIST, supporting the small business community. — Daniel Eliot   The industry has been able to produce some very strong profits over the last few years, after many years of unprofitability driven by weather events in the property line. — Linda Regner Dykeman   Follow the seven steps of the framework in order and repeat them in a cycle. Keep going through it. Every organization regularly changes. Technologies change. People change. That's why it has to be repeatable and flexible. — Daniel Eliot   There are phrases and terms associated with the Risk Management Framework that some people who are new to this might not understand. — Daniel Eliot   When talking about small businesses, the owner or operator is the Chief Risk Officer, the Janitor, the CISO, and the Chief Marketing Officer. — Daniel Eliot   An AI system is only as good as the information that's put into it. — Daniel Eliot    

Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   Justin Smulison interviews RIMS CEO, Gary Labranche about what's coming up for RIMS, and also Linda Regner Dykeman, the Chief Marketing Officer for Canada at HUB International, about a Webinar she is moderating on September 12th, Pivot and Swerve: Staying Agile During Shifting Market Dynamics. Listen in for details about the webinar.   Justin and Gary discuss the popularity and success of RIMScast, now in its 300th episode, the diversity it represents from the global risk community, and some of the events coming up in RIMS, including the 75th Anniversary Celebration, centered on RISKWORLD 2025 in Chicago. Gary shares his wisdom on trends in risk, what RIMS is promoting in legislation, and how RIMS is growing in influence. Gary introduces the joint production of the Associations' Guide to Risk and Crisis Management toolkit which he coauthored and how it came to be. There is much more to learn from this spectacular 300th episode, so listen in. Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMS. [:15] About this special episode, Number 300, of RIMScast, coming to you from RIMS Headquarters in New York, featuring RIMS CEO Gary Labranche and a special guest from HUB. [:36] First, let's talk about RIMS Virtual Workshops. The full calendar of virtual workshops is at RIMS.org/VirtualWorkshops. August 15th starts the three-part series, Leveraging Data and Analytics for Continuous Risk Management. Other dates for the Fall and Winter are available on the Virtual Workshops full calendar at RIMS.org/VirtualWorkshops. [1:00] Let's talk about prep courses for the RIMS-CRMP. On September 10th and 11th, the RIMS-CRMP Exam Prep will be held with NAIT. There is another RIMS-CRMP Exam Prep on September 12th and 13th. [1:14] The next RIMS-CRMP-FED Exam Prep course will be hosted along with George Mason University on December 3rd through 5th, 2024. Links to these courses can be found on the Certification Page of RIMS.org and in this episode's show notes. [1:29] We've got the DFW RIMS 2024 Fall Conference and Spa Event happening on September 19th in Irving, Texas. We learned all about it in Episode 299. Be sure to check it out! [1:47] Registration opened for the RIMS Canada Conference 2024 which will be held from October 6th through the 9th in Vancouver. Visit RIMSCanadaConference.ca to register. [1:59] We want you to join us in Boston on November 18th and 19th for the RIMS ERM Conference 2024. The agenda is live. The keynote will be announced soon. We want to see you there! [2:14] The nominations are now open for the RIMS ERM Award of Distinction 2024. Nominations are due August 30th. A link to the nomination is in this episode's show notes. If you or someone you know manages an ERM program that delivers the goods, we want to hear about it. All RIMS regional conference information can be found on the Events page at RIMS.org. [2:49] I'm so excited to share this special 300th episode of RIMScast with you all. There's no better guest for me to bring out than RIMS CEO Gary Labranche! He's a busy man. It's very difficult to book an interview with Gary. It's been about seven months and we finally got him! [3:11] We're going to talk about the trends impacting the risk profession, from active shooter preparedness and flood insurance to third-party litigation funding. We're also going to talk about all the different ways in which RIMS is expanding and partnering with other organizations. We are delighted to share this special 300th episode with you all! [3:39] RIMS CEO Gary Labranche, welcome back to RIMScast! [4:00] Gary says it's great to be back and congratulates Justin on 300 episodes of RIMScast. Gary talks about the effort that goes into each episode of the podcast. Justin notes there have been almost 175,000 unique downloads of the 300 episodes. [5:21] Justin thanks Gary for the kind words. Justin says the podcast is the most rewarding thing he has ever done. It changed the trajectory of his career, it has provided wonderful opportunities and it's a great way for Justin to keep in touch with RIMS members and other risk professionals who have an interest in the podcast. He's always loved it. [5:47] The advice Justin got when launching the podcast was to stick to a frequency. With a very minor exception over the past six years, Justin has stuck to a weekly episode. That, and the support of the RIMScast audience, RIMS leadership, and the many sponsors over the years, have contributed to the success of the podcast. Last week was the first sponsored episode. [6:25] The sponsor, Hillwood, will sponsor another episode in September when Justin is on-site at the DFW RIMS 2024 Fall Conference and Spa Event. [6:38] Gary attributes the success of RIMScast to perseverance, good quality, and great, diverse content with lots of different voices. That's what people appreciate the most. Gary loves it because it shows the scope, breadth, depth, and variations of the global community, with guests from all over the world. [7:07] Having guests from many nations and areas of practice is one of Justin's favorite aspects of the show. [7:42] Gary shares an overview of RIMS since January 2024 when he was last on the show. I February Gary went to Australia to visit with the chapter board there. From there he flew to New Zealand and attended the New Zealand and Pacific Island Chapter's Embrace the Unknown event. Gary recommends visiting both nations. [8:59] Next, Gary went to Singapore and hosted the first RIMS-CRMP Networking Reception in Singapore. It was a good crowd and the first time most of them had met each other. Gary visited two universities that support the RIMS-CRMP by providing the RIMS-CRMP Prep course, which is one reason why RIMS-CRMP is growing so well in Singapore. [10:03] RIMS-CRMP in general is growing like wildfire. The number one country with RIMS-CRMP holders is the United States, and the second is Canada, but close on the heels of Canada is Singapore. There are more RIMS-CRMP applicants from outside of the United States than in the United States. [10:38] Gary enjoyed his international trip. It was an opportunity to develop a better sense of how to serve those communities, internationalize RIMS content, and make the RIMS-CRMP a global standard. It's the only risk management credential accredited to an international standard by ANSI, the credentialing body. [11:43] RIMS just went through the audit to renew that credential. Making it a global standard will require RIMS to continue to develop, evolve, and improve, asking questions, and involving and engaging people from all over the world. [12:16] It's RIMS plug time! Webinars! All RIMS Webinar registration pages are available at RIMS/org/Webinars. Servpro makes its RIMS Webinars debut on August 8th with Hurricane Preparedness in 2024: Innovations and Strategies to Protect Your Organization. On August 27th, Riskonnect returns to discuss How To Successfully Deploy AI in Risk Management. [12:46] On September 12th, HUB International returns to deliver the third part of their Ready for Tomorrow series, Pivot and Swerve: Staying Agile During Shifting Market Dynamics. [13:01] Justin is delighted to be joined by the moderator for that session, the Chief Marketing Officer for Canada at HUB International, Linda Regner Dykeman. Justin welcomes Linda to RIMScast! [13:37] Linda says they will be discussing current market trends and challenges. The industry has been able to produce some very strong profits over the last few years, after many years of unprofitability driven by weather events in the property line where rates seem to be unsustainable. Casualty also had its issues, particularly with Directors and Officers liability. [14:05] As a result of the profitability the industry was able to achieve over the last few years, most carriers have become more competitive, to grow their books of business. This competition is not being seen in all lines, segments, or geographies. Some zones have not seen the same level of competition across the board. [14:29] As markets transition from a hard market to a competitive environment, there is some unusual and inconsistent behavior. Carriers in Canada are being more flexible with their appetite. [14:41] London is looking to grow significantly over the next couple of years with goals of hitting $100 billion by 2025. Add to that NGAs who are seeing their market share change as local carriers become more competitive. [14:56] As we transition out of what was considered a hard market, we see a lot of inconsistency in this market. [15:05] Add to this the supply chain issues, which are not what they once were, the economy is flat with spending, once normalized for increase in population, it reflects that of a market in recession. [15:19] We, as brokers are finding competitive solutions to protect our clients. We have to pivot and swerve to discover the right opportunity. [15:30] We had a significant rain event in Toronto, followed by one of the worst wildfires Jasper has ever seen, seemingly a once-in-a-hundred-year event; weather catastrophes are more severe and more frequent. [15:44] How is this going to change the availability of capacity of pricing? Time will tell, as insurers try to figure out if their pricing models included the right loadings for these events. [16:07] Being informed by what is happening in the market; the trends, the opportunities, what's available, and partnering with the right broker, will help a risk manager make an informed decision, appropriate for their business. [16:28] The panelists have decades of experience and expertise across North America. They work with clients, markets, and other experts and bring a much broader perspective and experience to this session. [16:43] Steve Pottle is the risk manager on the panel. He's been omnipresent in RIMS Canada for years. He's a former RIMS VP and is currently the Director for Risk and Safety Services at Thompson Rivers University. Justin says he's one of the best and Linda agrees. [17:22] Linda will moderate. She'll ask the panelists questions HUB International has received from its clients, based on what they are seeing happening in the environment around them. She would also like the audience to pose some questions. Audience participation is encouraged. [17:38] Justin thanks Linda Regner Dykeman of HUB International, and will see her again on September 12th, 2024 for the third installment of HUB's Ready for Tomorrow series, Pivot and Swerve: Staying Agile During Shifting Market Dynamics. [17:54] Let's return to today's interview with RIMS CEO, Gary Labranche. [18:48] Gary explains the importance of regional conferences. Not everyone can attend RISKWORLD. RIMS serves a large community. People are at different places in their careers with different budgets. [19:09] One of RIMS's goals is to be as accessible as possible in terms of content and the opportunity to engage. They depend on the chapters and groups of chapters to work together and create educational and engagement opportunities. [19:27] The Florida RIMS Educational Conference is a great example of that. It has been going for decades. It's a wonderful, unique RIMS experience put on by the chapters of Florida. The same with the Western Regional Conference, which Gary is looking forward to. [19:47] The Canada Conference has been going on for decades. Chapters like Chicago, DFW, Atlanta, and others do terrific jobs that provide a really accessible opportunity. People can drive from their homes. It's a lower-priced product. It's very grassroots. [20:18] RIMS announced at RISKWORLD that they will be launching a Texas Regional Conference in August 2025. It's a joint venture between RIMS and the four chapters of Texas. Gary is excited about it! [20:44] RIMS continues to look for ways to create more opportunities for engagement, more accessibility of content, and continue to build the brand. [21:03] Justin speaks of the joint effort of ASAE, ASIS International, and RIMS to produce the Associations' Guide to Risk and Crisis Management toolkit. This was somewhat inspired by the active shooter incident when RIMS RISKWORLD was in Atlanta in 2023. [21:52] Gary describes the event. On the last afternoon of RISKWORLD, there was a mass shooting in midtown Atlanta. Five people were shot; one person was killed. The gunman was at large. Because of the shooting, RIMS canceled the closing session and the evening party. [23:25] RIMS implemented its crisis response plan and learned a lot from doing so. Afterward, RIMS did a complete After Action Analysis. They started thinking through the implications of mass shootings on the entire convention industry. [23:56] Hundreds of thousands of people attend association-sponsored events every year. Gary has run hundreds of conventions, including the convention for the convention industry. Large gatherings are opportunities for violence. We need to take that responsibility more seriously. [24:32] Associations like RIMS have the great privilege of being able to convene people together with the reciprocal responsibility to care for, protect, and secure the convened. RIMS joined with two other organizations to create a risk and crisis management toolkit for conferences. [25:03] Gary explains how RIMs worked with ASIS, a group focused on corporate security, and ASAE, the American Society of Association Executives to produce the toolkit. AON sponsored the project with ASAE Business Services. [25:26] Gary Labranche was honored to contribute and coauthor the toolkit, with Josh Salter and Stuart Rothlein. He describes the content of the toolkit. ASAE just released it and it is the first risk management toolkit in the association space. [26:38] Associations employ a million people and impact hundreds of millions of people through programs and conferences. Gary is happy that RIMS was able to collaborate in this guide, which is available free. It's dedicated to the entire community and those who attend conferences. [27:13] The guide with be shared with RIMS chapters and groups that put on regional conferences. We collectively have a responsibility to those who trust us to convene them and to keep them safe at conventions. [27:32] The link to the toolkit is in this episode's show notes. Justin encourages you to check it out, after you listen to this full interview with RIMS CEO Gary Labranche! [28:37] Gary explains third-party litigation funding. It is a growing source of concern to all in the risk management community. The concern is that funding could be coming from unidentified sources, including parties hostile to the national security interests of the United States. [30:12] It could be laundered money. We don't know the source of the funds. There have been efforts in some states to get more transparency on the sources of funding and what the intention is behind the funding. [30:48] Justin believes there are plenty of plaintiff's law firms that are fighting against third-party litigation funding to maintain the integrity of their practice areas. RIMS's Public Policy Committee is looking at this funding. [31:21] Gary notes that we are at the end of this session of Congress. No legislation on third-party litigation funding has moved forward. There is an opportunity to build toward legislation, in the next session of Congress. [31:41] There has been some successful legislation passed in some states. The public policy community feels there might be more opportunity to pursue this kind of legislation at the state level. Third-party litigation funding is becoming RIMS's number one public policy issue. [32:16] RIMS is also still focusing and working on flood insurance reauthorization. Gary guesses it will be reauthorized at the 11th-and-a-half hour in a big appropriations omnibus package. [33:24] Third-party litigation funding is here to stay. Gary suggests there is opportunity for RIMS to build a coalition and create funding through the RISK PAC to get allies on both sides of the aisle in both bodies of Congress, for a level playing field and judicial system transparency. [34:19] It's RIMS Plug Time! The Spencer Educational Foundation's goal is to help build a talent pipeline of risk management and insurance professionals. That is achieved, in part, by collaborating with risk management and insurance educators across the U.S. and Canada. [34:36] Whether you want to apply for a grant, participate in the Risk Manager on Campus program, or just learn more about Spencer, visit SpencerEd.org. [34:47] On September 12th, 2024, we look forward to seeing you at the Spencer Funding Their Future Gala at The Cipriani 42nd Street in New York City. Our recent guest from Episode 293, Lilian Vanvieldt-Gray, will be our honoree. [35:04] Lilian is the Executive Vice President and Chief Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Officer at Alliant Insurance Services and she will be honored for her valuable contributions to supporting the future of risk management and insurance. [35:20] That was a great episode, so after you finish this one, please go back and listen to Episode 293. [35:27] Let's conclude our interview with RIMS CEO, Gary Labranche. [35:54] Gary says 2025 is the 75th anniversary of RIMS. It's a great opportunity to celebrate the past and focus on the future. RIMS is launching a 75th anniversary effort, the highlight of which will be RISKWORLD 2025, in Chicago at McCormack Place. [36:42] We're going into RISKWORLD 2025 with enormous momentum from RISKWORLD 2024. Attendance was up 21% from RISKWORLD 2023. The international headcount grew 35%. The number of countries represented grew by 14%. We're sailing into 2025 with the wind in our sails. [37:25] RISKWORLD takes a lot of effort and many years of preparation. Gary says we're very excited about RISKWORLD 2025. Justin notes that the 75th Anniversary celebration is all year long and RISKWORLD 2025 is one event in the celebration. There will be content along the way. [38:11] RISKWORLD has nine to 11 thousand people attending. It takes a lot of space at a convention center and lots of rooms in hotels around the city. The target time is early May. There is competition for hotels at that time of year. [38:58] As a result, RIMS selects the city more than eight to 10 years in advance. Right now, RIMS is working on RISKWORLD 2034. They have to anticipate the growth of the convention over the decade. Six years in advance, they have a soft contract. [39:51] There aren't that many cities that can host RISKWORLD. It's a math problem of square feet and the number of hotel rooms that can be committed. What's the flight lift into that city? What international flight lift do they have? How many connections? [41:12] Gary shares that there is so much wisdom in the RIMS community. We're in the era of polycrisis. The world is more risk-aware than ever before. We all have a sense of risk being all around us. Never before has risk management been as visible and as valued by organizations. [41:54] Gary states that this is a discipline that makes the world safer, more secure, and more sustainable. Gary talks to students and young professionals about how exciting that is. If you want to make a difference in the world, a way to do that is to be involved in this community. [43:01] Risk management is a job that sees everything, knows everything, and connects to everything in the organization. A risk manager is at the center of the matrix of knowledge. You're in a position to influence and direct the outcomes in many different aspects. [43:38] Risk management is a cool space that will continue to grow in appeal. RIMS's job is to continue to make risk management more attractive and visible to students and early career professionals. Most people come to risk management through insurance and other places. [44:18] RIMS wants to attract and retain the talent we need to ensure the work of risk management well into the future. There will be increasing competition for talent. RIMS needs to be competitive to win the war for talent. [44:48] In the 75th-anniversary efforts, RIMS will ramp up the Foundation for Risk Management, which will help win the competition for talent, increase the inclusivity of the community, advance knowledge and research, and sustain and accelerate the knowledge of the profession. [45:19] This will help ensure the sustainability of the community and the future of risk management. [45:40] Special thanks again to RIMS CEO, Gary Labranche for joining us here on RIMScast! When you see Gary at a RIMS event, by all means, go introduce yourself. He is one of the most personable people that you can meet. He would love to hear from you. [45:58] As we mentioned, Gary contributed to the Associations' Guide to Risk and Crisis Management toolkit, which is available at the link in this episode's show notes. [46:10] It's RIMS plug time! The RIMS App is available to RIMS members exclusively. Go to the App Store and download the RIMS App with all sorts of RIMS resources and coverage. It's different from the RIMS Events App. Everyone loves the RIMS App! [46:44] You can sponsor a RIMScast episode for this, our weekly show, or a dedicated episode. Links to sponsored episodes are in our show notes. RIMScast has a global audience of risk and insurance professionals, legal professionals, students, business leaders, C-Suite executives, and more. Let's collaborate and help you reach them! Contact pd@rims.org for more information. [47:28] Become a RIMS member and get access to the tools, thought leadership, and network you need to succeed. Visit RIMS.org/membership or email membershipdept@RIMS.org for more information. [47:46] Risk Knowledge is the RIMS searchable content library that provides relevant information for today's risk professionals. Materials include RIMS executive reports, survey findings, contributed articles, industry research, benchmarking data, and more. [48:02] For the best reporting on the profession of risk management, read Risk Management Magazine at RMMagazine.com. It is written and published by the best minds in risk management. Justin Smulison is the Business Content Manager at RIMS. You can email Justin at Content@RIMS.org. [48:24] Thank you for your continued support and engagement on social media channels! We appreciate all your kind words. Listen every week! Stay safe!   Mentioned in this Episode: HUB Ready for Tomorrow Series: Pivot and Swerve – Staying Agile During Shifting Market Dynamics | Sept. 12, 2024 DFW RIMS 2024 Fall Conference and Spa Event | Sept. 19‒20 Chicagoland Risk Forum 2024 – Presented by RIMS Chicago Chapter – Sept. 19, 2024 RIMS Canada Conference 2024 – Oct. 6‒9 | Registration is open! Spencer Educational Foundation – Funding Their Future Gala 2024 | Sept. 12, 2024 RIMS ERM Conference 2024 will be in Boston, MA Nov. 18‒19 | Register Now RIMS ERM Award of Distinction – Nominations Open Through Aug. 30, 2024! RISKWORLD 2025 will be in Chicago! May 4‒7 Associations' Guide to Risk and Crisis Management toolkit | Co-Authored by RIMS, ASAE, ASIS International, and Aon RIMS DEI Council RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS Strategic & Enterprise Risk Center NEW FOR MEMBERS! RIMS Mobile App   RIMS Webinars: Hurricane Preparedness in 2024: Innovations and Strategies | Sponsored by ServPro | Aug. 8, 2024 How to Successfully Deploy AI in Risk Management | Sponsored by Riskonnect | Aug. 27, 2024 HUB Ready for Tomorrow Series: Pivot and Swerve – Staying Agile During Shifting Market Dynamics | Sept. 12, 2024 RIMS.org/Webinars   Upcoming Virtual Workshops: Leveraging Data and Analytics for Continuous Risk Management (Part I) 2024 – Aug 15 See the full calendar of RIMS Virtual Workshops RIMS-CRMP Prep Workshops   Related RIMScast Episodes: “Bigger Risks with the Texas State Office of Risk Management | Sponsored By Hillwood” “Change Management and Strategy with Jay Kiew, RIMS Canada Conference 2024 Keynote” “Mid-Year Risk Update with Morgan O'Rourke and Hilary Tuttle” “DE&I Initiatives with Spencer 2024 Honoree Lilian Vanvieldt-Gray of Alliant Insurance Services”   Sponsored RIMScast Episodes: “Partnering Against Cyberrisk” | Sponsored by AXA XL (New!) “Harnessing the Power of Data and Analytics for Effective Risk Management” | Sponsored by Marsh “Accident Prevention — The Winning Formula For Construction and Insurance” | Sponsored by Otoos “Platinum Protection: Underwriting and Risk Engineering's Role in Protecting Commercial Properties” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Elevating RMIS — The Archer Way” | Sponsored by Archer “Alliant's P&C Outlook For 2024” | Sponsored by Alliant “Why Subrogation is the New Arbitration” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyclone Season: Proactive Preparation for Loss Minimization” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “Subrogation and the Competitive Advantage” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyberrisk Outlook 2023” | Sponsored by Alliant “Chemical Industry: How To Succeed Amid Emerging Risks and a Challenging Market” | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD “Insuring the Future of the Environment” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Insights into the Gig Economy and its Contractors” | Sponsored by Zurich “The Importance of Disaster Planning Relationships” | Sponsored by ServiceMaster   RIMS Publications, Content, and Links: RIMS Membership — Whether you are a new member or need to transition, be a part of the global risk management community! RIMS Virtual Workshops On-Demand Webinars RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Stories — New interviews featuring RIMS Risk Management Honor Roll Inductee Mrunal Pandit!   RIMS Events, Education, and Services: RIMS Risk Maturity Model® RIMS Events App Apple | Google Play   Sponsor RIMScast: Contact sales@rims.org or pd@rims.org for more information.   Want to Learn More? Keep up with the podcast on RIMS.org and listen on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.   Have a question or suggestion? Email: Content@rims.org.   Join the Conversation! Follow @RIMSorg on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.   About our guests: Gary Labranche, RIMS CEO Linda Regner Dykeman, HUB International Chief Marketing Officer for Canada   Tweetables (Edited For Social Media Use): RIMScast has perseverance, good quality, and great, diverse content with lots of different voices, which I love because it shows the scope and variation of the global community. You have guests from around the world. It's pretty cool, I have to say. — RIMS CEO Gary Labranche   The industry has been able to produce some very strong profits over the last few years, after many years of unprofitability driven by weather events in the property line. — Linda Regner Dykeman   RIMS-CRMP is growing like wildfire. The number one country with RIMS-CRMP holders is the United States, and the second is Canada, but Singapore is close on the heels of Canada. There are more RIMS-CRMP applicants from outside the U.S. than in the U.S. — RIMS CEO Gary Labranche   If you want to make a difference in the world, a way to do that is to be involved in this community. — RIMS CEO Gary Labranche    

Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   This episode of RIMScast is proudly sponsored by Hillwood. Hillwood is a leading multinational real estate development company and part of the Perot family of companies. For more information, visit Hillwood.com.   Justin Smulison interviews four guests today, SORM Executive Director, Stephen Volbrecht, SORM Division Chief of Strategic Programs, James Cox, SORM Chairman of the Board of Directors, Gerald Ladner, Sr., and DFW RIMS Chapter Board Member Penni Chambers. The discussion covers the various roles of Stephen, James, and Gerald in SORMS, the purpose and development of SORMS over the years, and how SORMS manages risks for all the state of TEXAS. They also speak of the upcoming RIMS DFW 2024 Fall Conference on September 19th at the Irving Convention Center in Irving Texas and what they will present there.   Listen in for ERM wisdom and a preview of the RIMS DFW 2024 Fall Conference. Key Takeaways: [:01] About our sponsor, Hillwood. [:13] About this episode of RIMScast, coming to you from RIMS Headquarters in New York. Our guests are from the Texas State Office of Risk Management. [:37] First, let's talk about RIMS Virtual Workshops. The full calendar of virtual workshops is at RIMS.org/VirtualWorkshops. August 15th kicks off the three-part series, Leveraging Data and Analytics for Continuous Risk Management. Other dates for the Fall and Winter are available on the Virtual Workshops full calendar at RIMS.org/VirtualWorkshops. [1:01] Let's talk about prep courses for the RIMS-CRMP. The next virtual offering will be on August 7th and 8th, a RIMS-CRMP Exam Prep along with Utah Valley University. [1:13] The next RIMS-CRMP-FED Exam Prep course will be hosted along with George Mason University on December 3rd through 5th, 2024. Links to these courses can be found on the Certification Page of RIMS.org and in this episode's show notes. [1:28] Registration opened for the RIMS Canada Conference 2024 which will be held from October 6th through the 9th in Vancouver. Visit RIMSCanadaConference.ca to register. All RIMS regional conference information can be found on the Events page at RIMS.org. [1:47] We would like to extend a big “Thank You” to today's sponsor, Hillwood. Hillwood is a leading multinational real estate development company and part of the Perot family of companies. Hillwood's diverse portfolio includes industrial, logistics, corporate offices, retail, aviation, and multi-family housing developments. [2:05] Notably, Hillwood's Alliance Texas project has generated over 66,000 jobs and a $120 billion economic impact. Hillwood operates in 65 markets across North America and Europe, constantly seeking opportunities to create vibrant communities and deliver value to its partners. [2:23] Hillwood specializes in e-commerce industrial development, serving some of the world's largest retailer brands. Its residential communities division is dedicated to creating truly unique, master-plan communities. In 2023, Hillwood sold 2,141 homes in its communities and delivered nearly 1,500 lots to builders with more than 3,800 lots in the pipeline for 2025. [2:45] Hillwood is also leading the development team for Goldman Sachs's new facility in uptown Dallas. As a privately owned company, Hillwood prioritizes long-term sustainability: social, economic, and environmental. For more information, visit Hillwood.com. [3:05] Today we will be joined by leaders of the Texas State Office of Risk Management. They will participate in a panel discussion on September 19th at the DFW RIMS Annual Conference and Event. [3:18] They're a fabulous chapter and that event will be held at the Irving Convention Center in Irving, Texas. A link is in this episodes' show notes. Visit DWWRIMS.org for sponsorship opportunities and registration information. [3:31] Our guests today will discuss what it takes for the Texas State Office of Risk Management to function, how they prepared and reacted to Hurricane Beryl in July, and we'll talk ERM and how some of their military experiences have enabled them throughout their risk careers and at the Texas State Office of Risk Management (SORM). [3:55] SORM Executive Director, Stephen Volbrecht, Division Chief of Strategic Programs, James Cox, and Chairman of the Board of Directors, Gerald Ladner, Sr., welcome to RIMScast! [4:54] Stephen Volbrecht is the State Risk Manager for Texas and Executive Director of SORM. The office administers the Enterprise Risk Management Program, the Insurance Management Program, the self-insured Workers' Compensation Program, and the Continuity of Government Operations Program. Those are the four key missions of the Texas SORM. [5:58] Gerald Ladner, Sr. has been in the industry for 42 years and successfully navigated four hard markets. He has played roles with global and domestic U.S. insurance companies and is still engaged with the industry even though he's semi-retired. [6:29] Gerald has also served as a broker. He has insured prominent clients like the Coca-Cola Company, the City of Atlanta, Fulton County, and The Southern Companies. He quoted on the Boston Artery Tunnel Project, which capped the global reinsurance industry supply. Gerald's last assignment was as a Regional President at State Auto Insurance Company. [6:52] Gerald is involved today in independent board work, as well as serving his Alma Mater, and has served as Insurance Commissioner Appointee for the Texas Property and Casualty Guarantee Insurance Association, as well as the Texas Medical Liability Joint Underwriting Association. Gerald's turn as Chairman of the Board at SORM expires in 2027. [8:01] James Cox is the Division Chief of Strategic Programs at SORM. His job is to take the vision that Gerald has and the strategic view that Stephen has and make them applicable to the Texas state agencies. He does the daily work that supports their vision and mission. He has an insurance adjuster license, an agent license, a notary, and a risk manager license. [9:40] Stephen Volbrecht has been with SORM for more than 20 years in various roles. He joined in 2001, just before 9/11. The office was created in 1996 and went into operation in 1997. It was created to get workers' compensation costs under control for Texas state employees. [10:37] At that time, The Office of the Attorney General, Workers' Compensation Division, paid Workers' Compensation claims while the Department of Insurance, Division of Health and Safety, had the Texas Workers' Compensation Commission. The two agencies didn't communicate directly. [11:38] Texas combined the Attorney General's Workers' Compensation Division and the Department of Insurance's Workers' Compensation Commission and created the State Office of Risk Management. [11:49] Within two years, they had dropped Workers' Compensation costs by over $30 million, and not by denying claims or cutting corners. They paid claims more timely, stopped disputing claims, and prevented injuries from happening through risk management. [12:30] They continually put pressure on costs, even as medical inflation rises. Texas pays about $40 million a year for accidents and injuries. Because of success with Workers' Compensation, SORM now has three additional missions, the Enterprise Risk Management Program, the Insurance Management Program, and the Continuity of Government Operations Program. [13:42] SORM worked with the Federal government to design the Texas Continuity of Government Operations Program, helped the State Legislature adopt it, and then was tasked with implementing it. Gerald Ladner and James Cox use their industry knowledge to develop procedures and frameworks for the Insurance Management Program. [14:58] SORM is a fundamentally different agency than the office Stephen joined in 2001 because the scope of its mission set has expanded greatly over the 20-plus years. [15:32] SORM is a fairly large office compared to what other states might have. It's an office of specific subject matter experts over each of the domains it covers. It has a broad scope, including Enterprise Risk Management. [16:02] Gerald says SORM has a small board of five members responsible for strategic guidance, governance, innovation, leadership, risk management, stakeholder engagement, performance monitoring, and mentorship to the executive team. The board can decide quickly and anticipate the areas of risk they need to look at and how the organization will address them. [16:45] Justin takes a brief break and thanks Hillwood for sponsoring this episode. Hillwood operates in 65 markets across North America and Europe, constantly seeking opportunities to create vibrant communities and deliver value to partners. Visit Hillwood.com for more information and to seize those opportunities. [17:08] Justin also dives deeper into the RIMS DFW 2024 Fall Conference and Spa Event that will be held on September 19th and 20th in Irving Texas. Here to tell us a little bit more about it is an omnipresent force among DFW RIMS members; Penni Chambers, welcome back to RIMScast! [17:34] This episode is airing almost four years after Penni made her RIMScast debut. A lot has changed in four years! [18:20] Penni is Vice President of Risk Management at Hillwood. She is in charge of a team of two that maintains, procures, and does all things insurance for all of Hillwood and its enterprise companies, including land and cattle, oil and gas, and aviation. [18:52] Penni's role at RIMS has changed. She is serving the constituents of the RIMS chapters and members by being a proud board director. Penni is a lifelong member of DFW RIMS and a former president, serving a term in 2019. [19:30] Penni will moderate the kick-off session of the RIMS DFW 2024 Fall Conference on September 19th at the Irving Convention Center in Irving Texas. She will be moderating a panel with today's guests, from the Texas State Office of Risk Management, Stephen Volbracht, Gerald Ladner, and James Cox. There will be so much talent and knowledge on that panel! [20:09] Penni is so excited to moderate this panel. They will go through the who, what, when, where, and why for this panel. They will talk about governance and the legislative process, and how they manage and procure their liabilities and assets. Texas is huge. These gentlemen have a great responsibility. Penni is excited to get to interview them! [21:04] Besides this panel, attendees can also expect workshops, a risk managers' luncheon, and other speakers and presenters. On Friday, the 20th, they have a Spa Day. The Spa Day is one of the things that sets the DFW annual conference apart. Chill out a bit at the DFW RIMS Annual Conference. They go big on this deal! [22:04] Registration is open to members and non-members. Join the DFW RIMS for two days of fantastic events! Enticed? Go to DFWRIMS.org for more information and to register. [22:42] Penni says they are so excited to have everyone who is joining them for this event. This is going to be one of the best DFW RIMS Annual Conferences they have ever had! [22:52] Justin thanks Penni and looks forward to seeing her at the 2024 Fall Conference and Spa Event hosted by the DFW RIMS Chapter on September 19th and 20th! Visit DFWRIMS.org for more information. A link is in this episode's show notes. [23:10] Let's return to Justin's interview with the Texas State Office of Risk Management. [23:22] Gerald compares the challenges of his current position to those of the senior leadership roles he has held at insurance companies. It's an opportunity to educate and inform the public in terms of what they do to deal with the issues that emerge in a new area of risk. Gerald says that fortunately, he has been able to survive all the challenges of a very tough business. [24:02] The leadership at SORM focuses on retention, making sure that the team's service to the state is valued and that they have unique growth opportunities. SORM is essentially an insurance company with brokered services. [24:38] They have to make sure the products that are offered are current and forward-leaning, with the metrics in place for timely delivery of services for injured employees. Gerald speaks of how quickly SORM responded to the pandemic. [25:10] Stephen Volbrecht adds that it's important to understand that SORM is, at the foundation, a service organization. They exist to offer support to state agencies for their risk management concerns and objectives. SORM operates as a consultant, assessor, and advisor. SORM is not a regulatory agency, enforcement agency, or auditor. It's 100% about service. [27:13] Beryl was a Category 1 hurricane. James Cox says he joined SORM when Harvey was hitting the coast. That's where the preparedness started for Beryl. Before Beryl hit land, SORM was implementing the things they did post-Harvey. [28:05] Stephen speaks of resilience. You can't prevent an Act of God. He cites the 9/11 Commission. Their primary finding was that the most important failure was one of imagination. Leadership failed to appreciate the gravity of the threat. SORM has the approach never to underestimate what can happen. Uncertainty is at the basis of all risk. [29:41] Anticipate the worst-case scenario, prepare for that, and go from there. SORM ensures that every state entity under its jurisdiction has an updated and validated Continuity of Operations Plan. You can't prevent a disaster but you can mitigate it. There are lessons learned not just from Harvey but from the freeze events that hit Texas for three years running. [30:34] There are mitigation efforts that get put into place after we learn our lessons. Use after-action reports. What failed? Don't do that again. What succeeded? Do more of that! Texas put in dams to prevent inundation of water. They put in automated systems for dampers on air conditioning for the freeze events. [31:07] They went steps further in responding to situations based on risk management reviews and assessments to have product and service contracts and materials pre-staged for when these events happen so that you can bring up your services within hours, not weeks. That has a direct cost impact and an impact on the individuals that are being affected. [31:38] SORM has saved hundreds of millions of dollars in downtime and both direct and indirect expenses compared to where they found themselves as recently as Harvey. You can value the ROI in cost avoidance by comparing years without risk management controls and the years after risk management controls have been implemented. [32:56] James comments about Hurricane Beryl and after-action reports. An internet provider in the area went down, causing restaurants to only take cash. Agencies need the ability to switch from one carrier to another depending on if the carriers are operating. [34:04] Gerald says the board looks forward to the strategic plan that the executive director shares with them and they have the opportunity to acid-test it to make sure they are covering all the areas so they don't have a failure of the imagination. The board maintains the culture and listens to the employees. They invite employees to attend board meetings. They get a full house. [34:56] It shows the employees an alignment between the board and the leadership team. The board gives the executive performance review and the employees will hear areas of outstanding work and areas to focus on in the future. The board seeks to maintain that alignment. [35:32] It's RIMS plug time! Webinars! Servpro makes its RIMS Webinars debut on August 8th with Hurricane Preparedness in 2024: Innovations and Strategies to Protect Your Organization. On August 27th, Riskonnect returns to discuss How To Successfully Deploy AI in Risk Management. [35:57] On September 12th, Hub International returns to deliver the third part of their Ready for Tomorrow series, Pivot and Swerve Staying Agile During Shifting Market Dynamics.  More webinars will be announced soon and added to the RIMS.org/Webinars page. Go there to register. Webinar registration is complimentary for RIMS members! [36:20] We would like to express our thanks to Hillwood for sponsoring this episode of RIMScast. Hillwood is a leading multi-national real estate development company and part of the Perot family of companies. Their diverse portfolio includes industrial, logistics, corporate office, retail, aviation, and multi-family housing developments. [36:43] Hillwood operates in 65 markets across North America and Europe, constantly seeking opportunities to create vibrant communities and deliver value to partners. Seize those opportunities by visiting Hillwood.com. [36:59] Let's return to my interview with Gerald Ladner, Sr., Stephen Volbrecht, and James Cox of the Texas State Office of Risk Management. [37:28] James is a veteran of the U.S.A.F. Stephen is a Captain in the Judge Advocate General Corps. Justin thanks them for their service and asks how those experiences lend themselves to effective risk management. [38:02] James says no matter the specialization in the military, the military does very well operating in high- or higher-risk environments. They drill mission and safety in equal parts. The military mindset is understanding the chain of command, codes, and standards, and what you are basing your risk on. If you don't know the accepted way to do a thing, it is a risk nightmare. [38:49] James has found that using his military background, he knows where to look for how to treat a type of risk. That background transitions easily to risk management. [39:18] Gerald's father did three tours in Vietnam. His daughter went to West Point and was in Iraq. He understands the military mindset. It reflects the strengths we now find in the SORM organization with clear chains of command but also an environment where associates can come forward and bring their issues and opportunities. [40:18] Stephen and James are on the Technical Advisory Group (TAG) for ISO 31000. Stephen says the ISO 31000 framework and other ERM frameworks are essential for SORM. Risk management is about decision-making. The ISO model is that risk is always negative. What you are trying to do is avoid the bad things. [42:43] Stephen says the effect of uncertainty on objectives can be positive, negative, or neutral, whether it's an opportunity, an obstacle, or an obligation. That's where ISO 31000 comes in. For some time, Texas was the only state to adopt ISO 31000 as the state ERM standard. They did it through the utilization of guidelines written in collaboration with contributors. [43:29] They're called the Texas Enterprise Risk Management Guidelines. They don't tell people what to do but they give people a framework for how to answer questions of risk and make decisions. The meta-framework of the guidelines is called Governance, Risk, and Compliance (GRC), developed by OCEG, the Open Compliance and Ethics Group. [44:23] The meta-framework of GRC is that enterprise risk is about critical disciplines. That's the true enterprise risk model. It deals with governance and oversight, Gerald's role; and strategy and performance, James's role. Risks and decisions, compliance and ethics, security and continuity, audit and assurance; each of these domains has to be integrated into an ERM model. [45:00] SORM uses ISO 31000 as it is sufficient to their needs, but they still pull from other standards, such as COSO or SERM. [45:58] James says it's not necessarily the brand of framework you choose that is important. It's the vocabulary that you need to understand. SORM picked ISO 31000 and all the state agencies they work with took a course in it so they all had the same vocabulary. As long as everyone understands the standard, they can apply it. [46:44] The Texas Enterprise Risk Management Guidelines are known as the TERM-G or TERM Guidelines. [47:24] Gerald has a degree in psychology. It was a soft skill that was sought when he entered the workforce. There's a lot of stress on employees and it's important for the leadership team to have the right skill set to work with stressed employees and meet some of their needs. Gerald recalls Enron and the need to make hard choices about ethical behavior. [51:03] Gerald has had an extensive relationship with RIMS. He reminisces about attending RISKWORLD many times when he was with Zurich and cutting deals on the floor. We're in a world where change is increasing and the ability to get fresh, insightful information allows organizations like SORM to think through the next round of strategies to manage the risks. [52:23] Gerald knows the value in RIMS and looks forward to participating in this upcoming panel at DFW. [52:33] Gerald, Stephen, and James will be at the RIMS DFW Conference in September. Gerald will discuss the macro forces at work that have the potential to impact loss cost for SORM, and the state of the reinsurance market which is linked to SORM's ability to get property capacity. [53:06] Gerald says they want to talk about the interplay between risk managers and the boards they report to. Boards are taking a harder look at risk managers. Boards don't like surprises. It takes quality communication with the board. There also has to be strong orientation of new board members so they can act as proactive business partners as they face the challenges. [53:56] Also, the an ongoing discussion about broadening risk appetite and tolerance. The importance of parametric insurance, understanding how the market is behaving. Capacity is being contracted in Florida and the Gulf states and there have to be additional ways of dealing with risk. SORM provides good advice-based education on the proper coverages needed. [55:09] James will talk about how, when he was a new risk manager years ago and risks were new to him, through RIMS, he was connected with a host of individuals who had seen the same risks every day and were veterans of it. RIMS is a support system for a new risk manager. [55:22] He will speak of the tools RIMS provides, like the benchmark surveys, white papers, and articles, like the Hurricane Preparedness 2024 article, that came out 15 days before Beryl was approaching across the Gulf. SORMS is similar to an insurance carrier in Texas, except they want to look at your risk model, policies, and procedures. If there's a gap, then get insurance. [56:31] SORMS is not in it for profit but for protection and what's best for the state of Texas. [56:43] Stephen will talk about the relationships with RIMS over the years the relationships established and the outstanding resources that are available. He finds the compensation report a bit of a downer, though, personally, working for the State Government! [57:32] RIMS and associations like RIMS are essential for upholding high ethical standards and integrity in the profession and are also important for self-governance. When professionals agree on high standards of operation, that keeps the government out of your business. Stephen also talks about other aspects of SORM that people may not know about. [59:41] There are big risks on the horizon that could be talked about, like climate change, cybersecurity, artificial intelligence, political risk, civil unrest, inflationary pressures, global market volatility and alternative risk financing, and the pandemic moving into endemic with massive economic and societal impacts. [1:01:20] Justin thanks Gerald Ladner, Sr., Stephen Volbrecht, and James Cox for being on RIMScast. Anyone who wants to hear more from SORM will travel out to Dallas on September 19th for the DFW RIMS Annual Meeting! Justin will be there and looks forward to seeing them in person, hearing what they have to say, and shaking their hands for a big group shot! [1:01:57] Special thanks again to all of our guests from the Texas State Office of Risk Management, Gerald Ladner, Sr., Stephen Volbrecht, James Cox, and of course, former DFW RIMS President, Penni Chambers, who was also on the RIMS Board of Directors. The DFW RIMS Fall Conference and Spa Event will be held on September 19th and on the 20th is Spa Day. [1:02:24] Visit DFWRIMS.org to register. [1:02:27] Extra special thanks to our sponsor Hillwood. Hillwood is a leading multi-national real estate development company and part of the Perot family of companies. Hillwood's diverse portfolio includes industrial, logistics, corporate, office, retail, aviation, and multi-family housing developments. [1:02:43] Notably, Hillwood's Alliance Texas project has generated over 66,000 jobs and a $120 billion economic impact. Hillwood operates in 65 markets across North America and Europe, constantly seeking opportunities to create vibrant communities and deliver value to its partners. Visit Hillwood.com for more information. [1:03:07] It's Plug Time! The RIMS App is available to RIMS members exclusively. Go to the App Store and download the RIMS App with all sorts of RIMS resources and coverage. 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Follow @RIMSorg on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.   About our guests: Stephen Volbrecht, Executive Director for the State Office of Risk Management (SORM) James Cox, Division Chief of Strategic Programs (SORM) Gerald Ladner, Sr., Chairman of the Board of Directors (SORM) Penni Chambers, former DFW RIMS president and RIMS Board Chairperson   Tweetables (Edited For Social Media Use): The cheapest injury that you ever have is the one that doesn't happen. — Stephen Volbrecht   Our approach is never to underestimate what can happen. Uncertainty is at the basis of all risk; not understanding what the consequences may be. So what you do is you anticipate the worst-case scenario, you prepare for that, and then you go from there. — Stephen Volbrecht   No matter the specialization in the military, the military does very well operating in high- or higher-risk environments. 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Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   Justin Smulison interviews Kevin Vallely,  an explorer, architect, mentor, and author, about his early life, his career, his risk philosophy, and a hint of his upcoming keynote speech at the RIMS Canada Conference 2024, from October 6th through 9th in Vancouver, B.C.   Listen in for the steps to building the skill of resilience. Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMS and RIMScast. [:15] About this episode of RIMScast, coming to you from RIMS Headquarters in New York. Today we will discuss strategic risk management with architect and world-renowned adventurer, Kevin Vallely, who will also be one of the RIMS Canada 2024 keynotes. [:43] First, let's talk about RIMS Virtual Workshops. The full calendar of virtual workshops is at RIMS.org/VirtualWorkshops. August 15th kicks off the three-part series, Leveraging Data and Analytics for Continuous Risk Management. Other dates for the Fall and Winter are available on the Virtual Workshops full calendar at RIMS.org/VirtualWorkshops. [1:07] Let's talk about prep courses for the RIMS-CRMP. RIMS will host its own RIMS-CRMP Exam Prep on July 30th and 31st and on August 7th and 8th, a RIMS-CRMP Exam Prep along with Utah Valley University. [1:22] The next RIMS-CRMP-FED Exam Prep course will be hosted along with George Mason University on December 3rd through 5th, 2024. Links to these courses can be found on the Certification Page of RIMS.org and in this episode's show notes. [1:38] Registration is open for the 48th Annual Florida RIMS Educational Conference. It will be held from July 30th through August 3rd, 2024 in Naples, Florida. The link is in this episode's show notes. [1:53] Registration opened for the RIMS Canada Conference 2024 which will be held from October 6th through the 9th in Vancouver. Visit RIMSCanadaConference.ca to register.  [2:06] Exhibitor's space is still available at the RIMS Canada Conference 2024. This is your chance to get in front of risk professionals from around the world. To learn more about how to become an exhibitor at the RIMS Canada Conference 2024, click the link in the show notes. All RIMS regional conferences information can be found through the Events page at RIMS.org. [2:29] The first of two guests today, Aaron Lukoni, is the Manager of Risk Services for Emergency Management in British Columbia, and the National Conference Chair for the RIMS Canada Council. Aaron is making this cameo appearance on RIMScast to tell you what's coming up for the RIMS Canada Conference 2024. This may be the best RIMS Canada Conference ever! [3:01] Aaron Lukoni, welcome to RIMScast! [3:32] Aaron Lukoni is a Manager of Risk Services for Emergency Management, British Columbia. She handles wildfires, floods, and national events. She is a professional problem-solver for the Province of British Columbia. [3:52] By night, Aaron is the National Conference Chair for the RIMS Canada Council. Eight years ago, she started on a subcommittee. She has a passion for volunteering. Aaron will be hosting the RIMS Canada Conference in Vancouver B.C. from October 6th through 9th, 2024. [4:51] This RIMS Canada Conference will be great. It's in stunning Vancouver! It will be a dynamic program filled with insightful presentations and interactive thought leadership sessions. There will be a huge exhibitor hall and amazing networking opportunities! There will be extra Plenary sessions with coverage of risk management critical topics. [5:46] There will be expert speakers and a diverse lineup of educational sessions to allow attendees to dive deeper into their areas of interest. There will be something for everybody at the RIMS Canada Conference 2024! [6:22] The keynotes are Kevin Vallely, Jody Wilson-Raybould, Jon Montgomery, and Jay Kiew, our guest on RIMScast Episode 296 (Check it out!). The speakers will highlight emerging trends from technological advancements and regulatory changes to evolving best practices and leadership considerations, all to motivate and inspire you and set the tone for the conference. [9:37] Thank you, Aaron! We look forward to seeing you at the RIMS Canada Conference 2024 in Vancouver, from October 6th through the 9th. [9:45] Our next guest is an explorer, architect, and author. He is Kevin Vallely, who is renowned for his adventurous spirit and compelling storytelling. He holds a Guinness World Record for the fastest unsupported trek to the South Pole and has led numerous expeditions around the globe. [10:06] He's the author of Rowing the Northwest Passage, about an unprecedented journey through one of the world's most challenging environments. In 2025, he will trek to the Arctic in a way that no one has ever done. We're going to hear about it and his risk philosophies for strategic risk management, with a preview of his RIMS Canada Conference 2024 keynote. [10:40] Kevin Vallely, welcome to RIMScast! [10:50] Kevin is in Vancouver today, and it is hot there this July! It's 35 Celsius or around 100 degrees Fahrenheit. He enjoys the heat. [11:53] Kevin has been undertaking major expeditions for almost three decades. It started when he was a child, one freezing February night in Montreal. He was nine years old and his brother was five. They were separated from their parents in a department store, and a security guard put them out on the street instead of finding their parents. Kevin's brother cried to go home. [13:31] At that point, Kevin, being the big brother, started the journey home with his little brother. Finding landmarks, he got to a familiar street and followed it for several hours, stepping into apartment buildings on the way to warm up, and made it home to their relieved parents and police searching for them. [14:22] That had been the riskiest and most uncertain moment in Kevin's life and he effectively overcame it. It was an empowering moment. It wasn't long after that, Kevin had this dream to ski to the South Pole, which he did, thirty-five years later. [14:47] Having been thrown into an unsettled and risky situation he didn't want to be in, and overcoming it, Kevin realized he was good at pushing through and coming out the other end, having successfully taken care of his brother and himself. It was an aha moment and the beginning of his adventuring career. [15:22] There is no adventuring degree. You just put yourself out there. The degree is that you survive and succeed. People who don't succeed in that world either deal with very bad consequences or their expeditions fail. Having broken the Guinness World Record to the South Pole is indicative that Kevin is doing something right. He has many expeditions under his belt. [15:50] A successful adventurer understands how to deal with risk, effectively manage it, and move forward. Kevin is a member of The Explorer's Club, based in New York. It's an elite club. [16:39] An adventurer always has to adjust. On September 10, 2001, Kevin and a teammate were summitting 10,000-foot-plus volcanoes in Java and Indonesia, two Muslim countries with very friendly people. Then September 11th happened and in a short time, Kevin and his teammate were not wanted. [17:39] They were warned by the Canadian Embassy to get out of the country but they kept going. They began to see this change. Then someone tried to drive them off the road, cursing at the “Americans.” Police officers told them to be very careful and recommended they leave. So they made an adjustment and left. [18:09] Kevin has been back to Indonesia a number of times since, and he says it's the most wonderful country with the most wonderful people. But there was that moment in history when they were in the wrong place at the wrong time and they knew to get out. Their appearance as Westerners was held against them with hostility. It was vital to adjust and leave. [19:25] Resilience is a fundamental facet of every occupation. Studies indicate that resilience is as important as whatever it is in your job that you are doing, in terms of career success. Resilience is a skill you can build, develop, and train. Push yourself and build that strength with small things so when something big happens, you can deal with it. [20:11] The three Ps of resilience are a strong sense of Purpose, Partnership with a team, and Perspective on the situation. Be conscious of these three things all the time to build your resilience. [21:32] It's RIMS plug time! Webinars! Servpro will make its RIMS Webinars debut on August 8th with Hurricane Preparedness in 2024: Innovations and Strategies to Protect Your Organization. On August 27th, Riskonnect returns to discuss How To Successfully Deploy AI in Risk Management. [21:57] On September 12th, Hub International returns to deliver the third part of their Ready for Tomorrow series. It's titled Pivot and Swerve Staying Agile During Shifting Market Dynamics.  More webinars will be announced soon and added to the Webinars page. Register at RIMS.org/Webinars. Webinar registration is complimentary for RIMS members! [22:23] The RIMS ERM Conference 2024 will be held on November 18th and 19th in Boston, Massachusetts. The agenda is live and soon we will have a call for nominations for the ERM Award of Distinction. I'll have that link up soon in an upcoming episode. [22:43] Review your organization's ERM program, and if you feel it was successful and you have the numbers and the data to back it up, compile that information and get ready to submit your ERM program for the ERM Award of Distinction. [22:57] The Spencer Educational Foundation's goal is to help build a talent pipeline of risk management and insurance professionals; that is achieved in part by a collaboration with risk management and insurance educators across the United States and Canada. The call for General Grant applications is open now through July 30th. [23:18] General Grant Awardees are typically notified at the end of October. The link to the application criteria is in this episode's show notes. [23:28] On September 12th, 2024, we look forward to seeing you at the Spencer Funding Their Future Gala at the Cipriani 42nd Street in New York City. Our recent guest from Episode 293, Lilian Vanvieldt-Gray will be our Honoree. Lilian is the Executive Vice President and Chief Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Officer at Alliant Insurance Services. [23:54] Lilian will be honored for her valuable contributions to supporting the future of risk management and insurance. That was a great episode, so after you finish this one, go back and listen to Episode 293! [24:08] Let's conclude our interview with RIMS Canada Conference 2024 Keynote Kevin Vallely! [24:50] Kevin explains that team alignment and managing risk effectively together is all around communication. If you're not communicating, you don't know if you're aligned. [25:09] Before you head into a difficult situation, come up with some key principles to display when you're out there: your decision-making model, your guiding principles for this journey, your goals, and your definition of success, with all team members being on the same page with these principles throughout the journey. [25:38] Kevin explains how the key principles work in practice on the journey. [27:01] The decision-making process is to be determined and agreed upon by the members of the expedition before the journey begins. When things are happening quickly, you don't debate how to make a decision. You make the right decision when you need to. [27:57] Kevin compares architecture to adventuring. It's an uncertain landscape in many ways. Liability, creativity, and innovation relate to the wild as well as to architecture. The wild wisdom he learns on adventures helps his architecture and what he learns in architecture helps his expeditions. [29:56] Kevin went into architecture as a wonderful opportunity to express himself. He is doing contemporary modern homes. He has worked in every aspect of the business but has worked for himself for 13 years. His architecture is a passion project and he likes to do things that are a little bit different, with the risks that involves. [30:34] Kevin discusses some of the homes he has designed for clients. His clients become his friends as they work together for years from start to finish. The Bridge House is one he loves. His job is to create the client's dream space with his vocabulary. [32:01] Kevin's upcoming expedition for March 2025 is called The Coldest Journey in the World. They first tried it in 2022. It lasted two weeks, due to conditions that were colder than anticipated. It was too cold for the machines. After two weeks they recognized they were putting themselves in danger so they paused to rethink it and came back. [33:30] Their process now is innovative thinking, rethinking, and dynamically changing, based on the risk profile. The plan now is to go by ski and dog team. Dogs survive wonderfully in that environment. They love it, in coid worse than snowmobiles can take. They have a team of four traveling with two sets of dog teams. It's an Inuit and non-Inuit team coming together. [34:08] It will be a seamless, cross-cultural collaboration. They will be learning from one another in this environment. There will be a camera team, independent of them, for a period of time, as the camera team endures. Kevin is trying to push the boundaries of what is possible in that environment. No one has been there in that time of year. [35:00] Kevin is not looking for world records. This is a much more meaningful process for him. They are going to the Northern terrestrial edge of the planet, as far North as you can go before stepping onto the sea ice heading for the North Pole. They are going there and back on a 1,200-mile (2,000-Km) journey through the coldest, most hostile environment on the planet. [35:31] They will see things few people get to see, including lots of polar bears, wolves, and musk oxen. It will be fascinating to see how those creatures survive in that environment. They estimate the trip will take 45 to 60 days. Last year, on Baffin Island, they did a quick, two-week test journey. At one point it was minus 47 degrees Celsius with 110 Kph winds. [36:11] The temperature felt like minus 87 Celcius or about minus 125 Fahrenheit. Kevin bit into a Fig Newton, and his front tooth snapped off at the gum. He's getting an implant put in. It's cold and things get really brittle. It's a different world. The team understands the environment and has been in it. Someone who's never been in the environment could die quickly in it. [36:53] Kevin's team is able to push that boundary with their experience. For them, the risk is manageable and they know what to do when things don't turn out right. They adjust to that. [37:15] When you're out there, the first couple of weeks are nasty but then your body starts to adapt to using food to generate heat. When they skied to the South Pole, they ate 8,500 calories a day, taking a special lipase to digest the extra fat. Normally, the human body maxes out at metabolizing 5,500 calories. Kevin still lost weight. Extreme cold is the ultimat diet. [38:27] At the RIMS Canada Conference 2024 in Vancouver, Kevin will talk about a planned rowing journey, attempting to traverse the Canadian High Arctic in a small boat solely under human power, with all the risks associated with that and how to manage them, including things happening that you couldn't anticipate, and how you deal with that, [38:51] There's a lot of learning around risk management and also courage in that environment. There's risk in life. It's about having the right mindset, being courageous, and moving forward through whatever you are thrown. Kevin will use multimedia visuals with videos to illustrate his address. There will be opportunities for audience involvement. [39:54] That sounds like it's going to be great. We look forward to seeing you there. I really appreciate you making the time for us here today. We will see you at the RIMS Canada Conference 2024 in Vancouver. Kevin Vallely, thank you so much! This has been a lot of fun! [40:08] Special thanks again to Kevin Vallely, for joining us here on RIMScast! He will be one of the conference keynotes, at the RIMS Canada Conference 2024 in Vancouver from October 6th through the 9th. Visit RIMSCanadaConference.ca to register. [40:25] By all means, check out KevinVallely.com. He's got some great stuff on his site. Learn more about that expedition scheduled for 2025. [40:34] Check out RIMScast Episode 296 with Jay Kiew for more insight from RIMS Canada Conference 2024 keynotes.  [40:42] It's Plug Time! The RIMS App is available to RIMS members exclusively. Go to the App Store and download the RIMS App with all sorts of RIMS resources and coverage. It's different from the RIMS Events App. Everyone loves the RIMS App! [41:16] You can sponsor a RIMScast episode for this, our weekly show, or a dedicated episode. Links to sponsored episodes are in our show notes. RIMScast has a global audience of risk and insurance professionals, legal professionals, students, business leaders, C-Suite executives, and more. Let's collaborate! Contact pd@rims.org for more information. [42:00] Become a RIMS member and get access to the tools, thought leadership, and network you need to succeed. Visit RIMS.org/membership or email membershipdept@RIMS.org for more information. [42:17] Risk Knowledge is the RIMS searchable content library that provides relevant information for today's risk professionals. Materials include RIMS executive reports, survey findings, contributed articles, industry research, benchmarking data, and more. [42:33] For the best reporting on the profession of risk management, read Risk Management Magazine at RMMagazine.com. It is written and published by the best minds in risk management. Justin Smulison is the Business Content Manager at RIMS. You can email Justin at Content@RIMS.org. [42:54] Thank you for your continued support and engagement on social media channels! We appreciate all your kind words. Listen every week! Stay safe!   Mentioned in this Episode: RIMS Canada Conference 2024 — Oct. 6‒9 | Registration is open! RIMS Canada Exhibitor Opportunities RISKWORLD 2025 will be in Chicago! May 4‒7 RIMS DEI Council Spencer Educational Foundation — Grants Page — Apply Through July 30. RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Virtual Workshops RIMS Strategic & Enterprise Risk Center NEW FOR MEMBERS! RIMS Mobile App Florida RIMS Annual Conference — July 30‒Aug. 3, 2024! Spencer Educational Foundation — Funding Their Future Gala 2024 Kevinvallely.com   RIMS Webinars: Hurricane Preparedness in 2024: Innovations and Strategies | Sponsored by ServPro | Aug. 8, 2024 How to Successfully Deploy AI in Risk Management | Sponsored by Riskonnect | Aug. 27, 2024 HUB Ready for Tomorrow Series: Pivot and Swerve — Staying Agile During Shifting Market Dynamics | Sept. 12, 2024 RIMS.org/Webinars   Upcoming Virtual Workshops: Leveraging Data and Analytics for Continuous Risk Management (Part I) 2024 — Aug 15 See the full calendar of RIMS Virtual Workshops RIMS-CRMP Prep Workshops   Related RIMScast Episodes: “Jay Kiew, RIMS Canada Conference Keynote 2024” “DE&I Initiatives with Lilian Vanvieldt-Gray of Alliant Insurance Services”   Sponsored RIMScast Episodes: “Partnering Against Cyberrisk” | Sponsored by AXA XL (New!) “Harnessing the Power of Data and Analytics for Effective Risk Management” | Sponsored by Marsh “Accident Prevention — The Winning Formula For Construction and Insurance” | Sponsored by Otoos “Platinum Protection: Underwriting and Risk Engineering's Role in Protecting Commercial Properties” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Elevating RMIS — The Archer Way” | Sponsored by Archer “Alliant's P&C Outlook For 2024” | Sponsored by Alliant “Why Subrogation is the New Arbitration” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyclone Season: Proactive Preparation for Loss Minimization” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “Subrogation and the Competitive Advantage” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyberrisk Outlook 2023” | Sponsored by Alliant “Chemical Industry: How To Succeed Amid Emerging Risks and a Challenging Market” | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD “Insuring the Future of the Environment” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Insights into the Gig Economy and its Contractors” | Sponsored by Zurich “The Importance of Disaster Planning Relationships” | Sponsored by ServiceMaster   RIMS Publications, Content, and Links: RIMS Membership — Whether you are a new member or need to transition, be a part of the global risk management community! RIMS Virtual Workshops On-Demand Webinars RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Stories — New interviews featuring RIMS Risk Management Honor Roll Inductee Mrunal Pandit!   RIMS Events, Education, and Services: RIMS Risk Maturity Model® RIMS Events App Apple | Google Play   Sponsor RIMScast: Contact sales@rims.org or pd@rims.org for more information.   Want to Learn More? Keep up with the podcast on RIMS.org and listen on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.   Have a question or suggestion? Email: Content@rims.org.   Join the Conversation! Follow @RIMSorg on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.   About our guest: Kevin Vallely, Lead Facilitator/Keynote Speaker/Expedition Manager of Peak Teams Global   Tweetables (Edited For Social Media Use): There is no adventuring degree. You just put yourself out there. The degree is that you survive and succeed. — Kevin Vallely   As an adventurer, you understand how to deal with risk; there's always a risk, but how you can effectively manage it and move forward. — Kevin Vallely   Adaptability is vital; this ability to adjust. You're always adjusting. I've done many expeditions over the years where things have gone sideways you didn't expect. You have to adjust. — Kevin Vallely   I'm not looking for world records. This is way bigger than that. It's a much more meaningful process and I could go into it in detail; I won't here. — Kevin Vallely    

Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   Justin Smulison interviews Aaron Lukoni about the RIMS Canada Conference 2024, from October 6th through 9th in Vancouver, B.C.,  and IDEA thought leader Michael Bach about Inclusion, Diversity, Equity, and Accessibility. Michael opens up on his perspective on anti-racism and inclusion, and how to slow down the swinging pendulum so good practices can take hold. He shares how organizations can start with a diversity committee, but eventually, it has to be a paid role to create change in the organization.   Listen in for thoughts on following the data instead of opinionated pushback. Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMS and RIMScast. [:15] About this episode of RIMScast, coming to you from RIMS Headquarters in New York. Our topic is diversity, equity, and inclusion, and our guest is IDEA thought leader, Michael Bach. [:37] First, let's talk about RIMS Virtual Workshops. The full calendar of virtual workshops is at RIMS.org/VirtualWorkshops. On July 23rd and 24th, our good friend, Elise Farnham returns to teach Claims Management. August 15th kicks off the three-part series, Leveraging Data and Analytics for Continuous Risk Management. [1:01] Other dates for the Fall and Winter are available on the Virtual Workshops full calendar at RIMS.org/VirtualWorkshops. [1:10] Let's talk about prep courses for the RIMS-CRMP. RIMS will co-host the two-day RIMS-CRMP Exam Prep session on July 18th and 19th with Parima. RIMS will host its own RIMS-CRMP Exam Prep on July 30th and 31st and on August 7th and 8th, a RIMS-CRMP Exam Prep along with Utah Valley University. [1:31] The next RIMS-CRMP-FED Exam Prep course will be hosted along with George Mason University on December 3rd through 5th, 2024. Links to these courses can be found on the Certification Page of RIMS.org and in this episode's show notes. [1:47] Registration is open for the 48th Annual Florida RIMS Educational Conference. It will be held from July 30th through August 3rd, 2024 in Naples, Florida. The link is in this episode's show notes. All RIMS Regional Conferences information can be found on the events page of RIMS.org. [2:07] The DFW RIMS Annual Conference will be held on September 19th. Registration is open. Visit DFWRIMS.org. [2:17] Registration opened for the RIMS Canada Conference 2024 which will be held from October 6th through the 9th in Vancouver. Visit RIMSCanadaConference.ca to register. [2:29] The first of two guests today, Aaron Lukoni, is the Manager of Risk Services for Emergency Management in British Columbia, and the National Conference Chair for the RIMS Canada Council. Aaron is making this cameo appearance on RIMScast to tell you what's coming up for the RIMS Canada Conference 2024. This may be the best RIMS Canada Conference ever! [3:01] Aaron Lukoni, welcome to RIMScast! [3:32] Aaron Lukoni is a Manager of Risk Services for Emergency Management, British Columbia. She handles wildfires, floods, and national events. She is a professional problem-solver for the Province of British Columbia. [3:52] By night, Aaron is the National Conference Chair for the RIMS Canada Council. Eight years ago, she started on a subcommittee. She has a passion for volunteering. Aaron will be hosting the RIMS Canada Conference in Vancouver B.C. from October 6th through 9th, 2024. [4:51] This RIMS Canada Conference will be great. It's in stunning Vancouver! It will be a dynamic program filled with insightful presentations and interactive thought leadership sessions. There will be a huge exhibitor hall and amazing networking opportunities! There will be extra Plenary sessions with coverage of risk management critical topics. [5:46] There will be expert speakers and a diverse lineup of educational sessions to allow attendees to dive deeper into their areas of interest. There will be something for everybody at the RIMS Canada Conference 2024! [6:22] The keynotes are Kevin Vallely, Jody Wilson-Raybould, Jon Montgomery, and Jay Kiew, our guest on RIMScast Episode 296 (Check it out!). The speakers will highlight emerging trends from technological advancements and regulatory changes to evolving best practices and leadership considerations, all to motivate and inspire you. [9:04] Thank you, Aaron! We look forward to having you back on RIMScast. I've got a full interview with Aaron on the RIMS Canada Conference 2024 Registration Page. Check it out there! [9:17] It's RIMS plug time! Webinars! Servpro will make its RIMS Webinars debut on August 8th with Hurricane Preparedness in 2024: Innovations and Strategies to Protect Your Organization. On August 27th, Riskonnect returns to discuss How To Successfully Deploy AI in Risk Management. More webinars will be announced soon. Register at RIMS.org/Webinars. [9:51] Webinar registration is complimentary for RIMS members! [9:55] The RIMS ERM Conference 2024 will be held on November 18th and 19th in Boston, Massachusetts. The agenda will be announced soon, as will a call for submissions for the ERM Award of Distinction. I'll have that link up soon in an upcoming episode. [10:14] Review your organization's ERM program, and if you feel it was successful and you have the numbers and the data to back it up, compile that information and get ready to submit your ERM program for the ERM Award of Distinction. [10:31] My next guest, Michael Bach, is a leader in Inclusion, Diversity, Equity, and Accessibility, or IDEA. He has advised thousands of clients, served as the National Leader of DE&I for KPMG Canada, and was Deputy Chief Diversity Officer for KPMG International. He was named one of the 10 Most Influential DE&I Leaders Revamping the Future by CIO Views Magazine. [10:56] Michael was also honored as a Canadian Diversity Champion and Catalyst Canada Honors Human Resources and Diversity Leader. His best-selling books, Birds of All Feathers and Alphabet Soup, have received widespread acclaim. I am so excited to speak with him about all things IDEA and DE&I! [11:19] Michael Bach, welcome to RIMScast! [11:58] About Michael's name and Bach jokes. There is no known family relationship between Michael Bach and Johann Sebastian Bach. [12:50] Michael doesn't look at the work of Inclusion, Diversity, Equity, and Accessibility as a social justice agenda but as a means to solve problems. How can Inclusion, Diversity, Equity, and Accessibility be applied to solve the challenges an industry faces? [13:12] Michael likes that the first letters of Inclusion, Diversity, Equity, and Accessibility make the word IDEA. [13:56] Michael was brought up to recognize his privilege as a “cisgender white man” walking through the world with a level of access that wasn't experienced by a lot of people and that he had the responsibility to leverage that privilege to the benefit of others. He learned what that meant when he got into the corporate world and a variety of roles, and then his role at KPMG. [15:05] Michael realized that the organization was having challenges with talent retention and engagement and that the way to improve those things was through a focus on IDEA (Inclusion, Diversity, Equity, and Accessibility). Michael was head of Diversity for eight years. It was a new role at KPMG. He then became the Deputy Chief Diversity Officer for KPMG globally. [16:11] After two years, Michael moved on to create The Canadian Centre for Diversity and Inclusion and led that organization for 10 years. [16:50] Some employers understand that this is not a social justice agenda or about doing the “right thing”; it's good people management. It's a smart way to run your business. [17:16] Some organizations have done nothing about DE&I. Other organizations have dipped their toe in the water and backed away because of pushback from customers. You will always make some people unhappy. If your value statements mean anything to you, then a focus on IDEA should connect to those values and matter to you as an organization. [19:04] Michael talks about the approach TD Bank took with the LGBTQ market. They wanted to own the “pink dollar.” They spent a fortune sponsoring Pride festivals across the country. While some customers pulled away, TD Bank won a large percentage of the LGBTQ community. TD Bank is near the top financially in the country. [21:19] Michael does not think this is a worrisome time. He sees a natural progression of change. He brings up the Civil Rights Act of 1964 in the United States. Canada has the Employment Equity Act of 1984. This isn't a new conversation and these aren't new problems that will go away quickly. [21:49] Some organizations are backing away and Michael thinks they will regret it because they will have higher voluntary turnover rates, lower engagement scores, lower productivity rates, and higher rates of safety incidents. The data proves that if you're not focused on the diversity of your people and good people management, they're going to leave. Your costs will go up. [22:39] The organizations that back away from IDEA are going to be at Michael's doorstep in five to 10 years asking for his help. The organizations that haven't taken their foot off the pedal will be crushing their competition. This work requires you to constantly have your foot on the gas pedal, or you will roll backward. [24:05] How do organizations today compare to how they were in 2019? Michael talks about 2020 with George Floyd and thousands of bodies of Indigenous children found in unmarked graves at the sites of residential schools across Canada. Those were pivotal moments when, for the first time, people wanted to talk about anti-racism. Those moments drive change. [24:56] Four years later, people are saying we don't need anti-racism. Governments are banning DE&I offices. Within a week after George Floyd was killed, Michael's phone at CCDI, where he was working, was lighting up with employers asking for help with anti-black racism. CCDI put out extensive training programs and policies. But the pendulum swings back. [26:18] Michael's goal is to keep the pendulum from swinging that far. We want it to swing slowly. That allows for the change to take hold. Right now, the pendulum has swung too far. Michael advises every employer to turn to the numbers before taking a step back from IDEA. Look at what the data tells you. [27:10] A recent study posted on CNN found that 76% of Americans believe in LGBTQ+ equality. Look at that number when you decide if you should be supporting a Pride festival. Use data to prove points. Do not use opinion. We have more data now that answers the questions. [28:54] Time for more RIMS Plugs! The Spencer Educational Foundation's goal is to help build a talent pipeline of risk management and insurance professionals; that is achieved in part by a collaboration with risk management and insurance educators across the United States and Canada. The call for General Grant applications is open now through July 30th. General Grant Awardees are typically notified at the end of October. [29:22] The link to the application criteria is in this episode's show notes. [29:28] On September 12th, 2024, we look forward to seeing you at the Spencer Funding Their Future Gala at the Cipriani 42nd Street in New York City. Our recent guest from Episode 293, Lilian Vanvieldt-Gray will be our Honoree. Lilian is the Executive Vice President and Chief Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Officer at Alliant Insurance Services. [29:53] Lilian will be honored for her valuable contributions to supporting the future of risk management and insurance. That was a great episode, so after you finish this one, go back and listen to Episode 293! [30:07] Let's conclude our interview with Michael Bach! [30:44] Diversity Committees are a great place for organizations to start in the IDEA world. You're taking a group of people from across the organization and giving them the reins of change. Institutional knowledge is important for this effort because you know how things happen in your organization. You don't have to be an expert in IDEA. [31:41] Committees need to be formalized and span the entire organization. Committees are working bodies, they are not governing bodies. You need people on the committee who can do the work. You want to consider every aspect of diversity on the committee and have somebody from every department and every area branch. [33:08] Make sure that you formalize the committee in such a way that they don't get out of control. Give them rules to follow so they know where they can draw the lines. What are the roles on the committee? How do people get on the committee? How are people recognized for their participation on the committee? What is their authority level? To whom do they report? [33:48] Some committees don't have that kind of structure and they go off the rails and do things that the organization desperately tries to undo. This could be a sponsored event that doesn't align with the strategy of the organization or education programs that HR doesn't know about. You have to put lines around the committee so they know what is out of their scope. [34:40] Connect the committee with all departments of the organization, such as HR, so the committee is working with them and not against them. [35:09] Eventually, an organization outgrows a volunteer-run committee. Make sure there is turnover on the committee to avoid burnout. At some point, you will have to hire someone like Michael to do the work. Work is done for pay. [36:35] Michael's thoughts on Pride Month, 2024. There are so many speaking events in June, that every July 1st, Michael says he just has to “wash the gay off,” because it is at such a high level. He is seeing something he's been hoping to see for some time: organizations that are recognizing they need to talk about the inclusion of the LGBTQ+ community outside of June. [37:51] It's important to have designated months as visible symbols of inclusion to recognize communities, but people belong to their community all year, not just during one month. We need to be inclusive year-round. There is an extensive calendar of things that we could be celebrating so it doesn't become a thing where we change our logo for a month. Be broadly inclusive. [39:24] Special thanks again to the IDEA man, Michael Bach, for joining us here on RIMScast! For more information, visit MichaelBach.com, Thank you again to Aaron Lukoni for joining us here on RIMScast! [39:36] Be sure to register for the RIMS Canada Conference 2024 at RIMSCanadaConference.ca. Interviews with more RIMS Canada Conference 2024 speakers are on the way. [39:47] It's Plug Time! The RIMS App is available to RIMS members exclusively. Go to the App Store and download the RIMS App with all sorts of RIMS resources and coverage. It's different from the RIMS Events App. Everyone loves the RIMS App! [40:18] You can sponsor a RIMScast episode for this, our weekly show, or a dedicated episode. Links to sponsored episodes are in our show notes. RIMScast has a global audience of risk and insurance professionals, legal professionals, students, business leaders, C-Suite executives, and more. Let's collaborate! Contact pd@rims.org for more information. [41:01] Become a RIMS member and get access to the tools, thought leadership, and network you need to succeed. Visit RIMS.org/membership or email membershipdept@RIMS.org for more information. [41:18] Risk Knowledge is the RIMS searchable content library that provides relevant information for today's risk professionals. Materials include RIMS executive reports, survey findings, contributed articles, industry research, benchmarking data, and more. [41:34] For the best reporting on the profession of risk management, read Risk Management Magazine at RMMagazine.com. It is written and published by the best minds in risk management. Justin Smulison is the Business Content Manager at RIMS. You can email Justin at Content@RIMS.org. [41:54] Thank you for your continued support and engagement on social media channels! We appreciate all your kind words. Listen every week! Stay safe!   Mentioned in this Episode: RIMS Canada Conference 2024 — Oct. 6‒9 | Registration is open! RISKWORLD 2025 will be in Chicago! May 4‒7 RIMS DEI Council Spencer Educational Foundation — Grants Page — Apply Through July 30. RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Virtual Workshops — Next Workshop with PARIMA July 18‒19, 2024! RIMS Strategic & Enterprise Risk Center NEW FOR MEMBERS! RIMS Mobile App Florida RIMS Annual Conference — July 30‒Aug. 3, 2024! Spencer Educational Foundation — Funding Their Future Gala 2024 Spencer Educational Foundation General Grants MichaelBach.com   RIMS Webinars: Hurricane Preparedness in 2024: Innovations and Strategies | Sponsored by ServPro | Aug. 8, 2024 How to Successfully Deploy AI in Risk Management | Sponsored by Riskonnect | Aug. 27, 2024 RIMS.org/Webinars   Upcoming Virtual Workshops: Claims Management — July 23‒24 Leveraging Data and Analytics for Continuous Risk Management (Part I) 2024 — Aug 15 See the full calendar of RIMS Virtual Workshops RIMS-CRMP Prep Workshops   Related RIMScast Episodes: “Jay Kiew, RIMS Canada Conference Keynote 2024” “DE&I Initiatives with Lilian Vanvieldt-Gray of Alliant Insurance Services” “Equality and the Risk Profession with Elisa Stampf” “Including Disability In DEI Efforts with Alycia Anderson” “RIMS 2024 Rising Star Chelsea Andrusiak” “Mental Health Awareness Month 2023”   Sponsored RIMScast Episodes: Partnering Against Cyberrisk | Sponsored by AXA XL (New!) [Link will be sent on 7/15] “Harnessing the Power of Data and Analytics for Effective Risk Management” | Sponsored by Marsh “Accident Prevention — The Winning Formula For Construction and Insurance” | Sponsored by Otoos “Platinum Protection: Underwriting and Risk Engineering's Role in Protecting Commercial Properties” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Elevating RMIS — The Archer Way” | Sponsored by Archer “Alliant's P&C Outlook For 2024” | Sponsored by Alliant “Why Subrogation is the New Arbitration” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyclone Season: Proactive Preparation for Loss Minimization” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “Subrogation and the Competitive Advantage” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyberrisk Outlook 2023” | Sponsored by Alliant “Chemical Industry: How To Succeed Amid Emerging Risks and a Challenging Market” | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD “Insuring the Future of the Environment” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Insights into the Gig Economy and its Contractors” | Sponsored by Zurich “The Importance of Disaster Planning Relationships” | Sponsored by ServiceMaster   RIMS Publications, Content, and Links: RIMS Membership — Whether you are a new member or need to transition, be a part of the global risk management community! RIMS Virtual Workshops On-Demand Webinars RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Stories — New interviews featuring RIMS Risk Management Honor Roll Inductee Mrunal Pandit!   RIMS Events, Education, and Services: RIMS Risk Maturity Model® RIMS Events App Apple | Google Play   Sponsor RIMScast: Contact sales@rims.org or pd@rims.org for more information.   Want to Learn More? Keep up with the podcast on RIMS.org and listen on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.   Have a question or suggestion? Email: Content@rims.org.   Join the Conversation! Follow @RIMSorg on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.   About our guests: Aaron Lukoni, Risk Management Consultant, Ministry of Finance, British Columbia Michael Bach, IDEA Thought Leader   Tweetables (Edited For Social Media Use): I handle a lot of wildfires, floods, national events, and things like that. I am a professional problem-solver for the Province of British Columbia. By night, I am the National Conference Chair for the RIMS Canada Council. — Aaron Lukoni   Thought leadership is the backbone of the conference and with more keynotes, we have more opportunities to spotlight pioneering research, innovative strategies, and success stories. — Aaron Lukoni   I don't look at Inclusion, Diversity, Equity, and Accessibility as a social justice agenda but as a means to solve problems. I look at the challenges in an industry and ask how Inclusion, Diversity, Equity, and Accessibility can play a role in addressing them. — Michael Bach   If your value statements mean anything to you, then a focus on IDEA should connect to those values and should matter to you as an organization. — Michael Bach   This is something I don't share with people a lot, but I am gay almost every day of the year. I take the high holidays off, for obvious reasons. I'm going to be gay in October. I'm going to be gay in January. — Michael Bach  

Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   Justin Smulison interviews Jay Kiew, one of the keynotes for the RIMS Canada Conference 2024; the first of several Canada Conference keynotes who will appear on RIMScast. Justin and Jay discuss what is a change navigation strategist, how a risk or insurance professional could benefit from the perspective of a change navigation strategist, and what a licensed Insights psychometric practitioner does.   Listen in for a contemporary bonus definition of innovation. Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMS and RIMScast. [:21] About this episode of RIMScast, coming to you from RIMS Headquarters in New York. I will be joined by change navigation strategist, Jay Kiew, who will be one of the keynotes for the RIMS Canada Conference 2024. [:44] First, let's talk about RIMS Virtual Workshops. The full calendar of virtual workshops is at RIMS.org/VirtualWorkshops. On July 23rd and 24th, our good friend, Elise Farnham returns to teach Claims Management. August 15th kicks off the three-part series, Leveraging Data and Analytics for Continuous Risk Management. [1:08] Other dates for the Fall and Winter are available on the Virtual Workshops full calendar at RIMS.org/VirtualWorkshops. [1:16] Let's talk about prep courses for the RIMS-CRMP. RIMS will co-host the next two-day RIMS-CRMP Exam Prep session on July 18th and 19th with Parima. RIMS will host its own RIMS-CRMP Exam Prep on July 30th and 31st and on August 7th and 8th, a RIMS-CRMP Exam Prep along with Utah Valley University. [1:38] The next RIMS-CRMP-FED Exam Prep course will be hosted along with George Mason University on December 3rd through 5th, 2024. Links to these courses can be found on the Certification Page of RIMS.org and in this episode's show notes. [1:53] Registration is open for the 48th Annual Florida RIMS Educational Conference. It will be held from July 30th through August 3rd, 2024 in Naples, Florida. The link is in this episode's show notes. All RIMS Regional Conferences information can be found on the events page of RIMS.org. [2:14] Registration opened for the RIMS Canada Conference 2024, which will be held on October 6th through 9th in Vancouver. Visit RIMSCanadaConference.ca to register! [2:27] Our guest today is Change Navigation Strategist, Jay Kiew. He is one of the keynotes appearing at the RIMS Canada Conference on October 7th. Read his bio on the RIMS Canada Conference registration page or visit JayKiew.com. [2:46] Jay has over 13 years of experience with Deloitte, TELUS, and ADP, leading mission-critical strategic transformations with over two billion dollars worth of impact. We will discuss those experiences and the roles risk professionals played, hear from this Vancouver native on his risk philosophies, and get a sense of the energy he will bring to the RIMS Canada Conference 2024.  [3:20] Jay Kiew, welcome to RIMScast! [3:58] Jay Kiew has a podcast, Mavericks and Machetes, about navigating and hacking through the thick of change. Mavericks blaze trails in their organization. Organizations also can be mavericks. The podcast digs into exploring how people impact and drive behavioral change. Justin offers a joke about the title. [5:27] Jay saw a Toastmasters booth at his college welcome day. He joined before he knew what it was, a weekly event where he could test the art and science of public speaking. That translates well to his full-time job today. Toastmasters got him going, in terms of his fear of speaking in public. It was scary but he decided to lean into it. [7:13] At that time, Toastmasters didn't accept members under age 18. Jay had just turned 18 when he joined. He participated in leadership offices. While he developed his skills as a speaker he contributed to the chapter. At 19, he became the world's youngest Distinguished Toastmaster. When that became an article on Wikipedia, other young people copied him. [8:53] Justin tells of his experience doing standup comedy for about 18 months, helping him remove his prior fear of public speaking. [11:41] Jay grew up with parents who were hosts and DJs in Singapore. That entertainment background helps Jay in his career. His father had passed before Jay started college but his mother was very supportive of Jay joining Toastmasters. [14:29] Jay graduated college with a political science degree and a minor in business. He joined the payroll company ADP and helped companies move internationally, combining HR, legal, and tax matters in one role. He was facilitating the process but he knew he wasn't at the table making any of the decisions. He wanted to be involved. [15:45] Asking himself how a company decides to move internationally, he found out about management consulting. He went back to school for an MBA. He joined Deloitte in their organizational transformation practice for a few years. Then he shifted to a digital healthcare company where he worked in strategy and transformation. [16:38] Jay describes a change navigation strategist as a blend of strategy and change management. It starts with creating a vision of where the organization could go, planning how to bring people on the journey, and changing people's behaviors to go with the vision. It includes buy-in, alignment, and moving with purpose and mission. [17:11] The job title is vague enough that a lot of Jay's family and friends have no idea what he does but specific enough that he can ask a CEO or CXO about what problem they are trying to solve and then focus on that problem using an applied behavioral science lens. This brings Jay into touch with healthcare, insurance, and financial services. [18:08] It's RIMS plug time! Webinars! Servpro will make its RIMS Webinars debut on August 8th with Hurricane Preparedness in 2024: Innovations and Strategies to Protect Your Organization. On August 27th, Riskonnect returns to discuss How To Successfully Deploy AI in Risk Management. More webinars will be announced soon. Register at RIMS.org/Webinars. [18:41] Webinar registration is complimentary for RIMS members! [18:46] The RIMS ERM Conference 2024 will be held on November 18th and 19th in Boston, Massachusetts. The agenda will be announced soon, as will a call for submissions for the ERM Award of Distinction. I'll have that link up soon on an upcoming episode. [19:04] Review your organization's ERM program, and if you feel it was successful and you have the numbers and the data to back it up, compile that information and get ready to submit your ERM program for the ERM Award of Distinction. [19:18] The Spencer Educational Foundation's goal to help build a talent pipeline of risk management and insurance professionals is achieved, in part, through a collaboration with risk management and insurance educators across the United States and Canada. The call for general grant applications is open now through July 30th. [19:40] General grant awardees are typically notified at the end of October. The link for the application criteria is in this episode's show notes. [19:50] On September 12th, 2024 we look forward to seeing you at the Spencer Funding Their Future Gala at the Cipriani 42nd Street in New York City. [20:00] Our recent guest from Episode 293, Lilian Vanvieldt-Gray, will be the honoree. Lilian is the Executive Vice President and Chief Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Officer at Alliant Insurance Services. She will be honored for her valuable contributions to supporting the future of risk management and insurance. [20:23] That was a great episode, so after you finish this one, go back and listen to Episode 293! [20:29] Let's return to my interview with RIMS Canada Conference 2024 Keynote Jay Kiew. [20:59] Jay believes risk professionals are not averse to change. They are the ones driving the most change across their organizations as their markets shift. They are the most concerned with how organizations and team members adapt. If their roles change, they will feel resistance. [21:34] Jay sees the intersection between risk and change management to be in how risk professionals think through behavioral nudges, gamification, dashboards, and leaderboards. [21:59] When Jay keynotes on October 7th, it will be his first time at the RIMS Canada Conference. [22:18] Justin notes that RIMS Canada is big on innovation. Jay defines innovation as a spectrum. It can change how a product or service is delivered. The financial services industry changing to digital and adding new products is an example. That's organizational innovation. [22:43] Individual innovation is adaptive by applying new technologies that help individuals to be more productive, such as by automating some of their work. [23:23] Jay comments on Generative AI and its effect on financial services/insurance, healthcare, architecture/engineering/construction, and filmmaking/videography. Those four industries are being the most disrupted. Jay shares some instances of AI innovation. [25:46] Jay speaks of slop AI, where it's obvious no human wrote it. He asks, how do we differentiate instead of being derivative? [26:55] Matrix talk! [27:55] What is a licensed Insights Psychometric Practitioner? Jay can read people. [28:19] Jay's tips for learning to read people, even remotely: People are not just in one mode. In this podcast, there are moments of Justin joking and Justin being thoughtful. Observe and ask where his head is, and what concerns him the most. Is he analytical at this moment or having fun? Where do you meet his energy levels? To match him, fall into the same energy level. [31:37] It's important to see people where they are and then shift with them into a different state. Empathy is the starting point. Use intentional observation. [34:06] Jay's words about RIMS Canada attendance: “Hey! Sign up if you haven't registered yet. I think it's going to be so much fun! It's hosted in my hometown! How much better could it be? Right downtown, waterfront Vancouver. One of the best places in the world! Not only do we promise a good time, but you'll also have peaceful walks with nature.” [34:32] Go to JayKiew.com for more about him and his fantastic work and his podcast, Mavericks and Machetes. Justin thanks Jay and looks forward to seeing him at the RIMS Canada Conference 2024. [35:10] Special thanks again to Jay Kiew for joining us here on RIMScast! This officially kicks off my pre-conference coverage of the RIMS Canada Conference 2024. The conference kicks off on Sunday night, October 6th, 2024 and Jay will be one of the first keynotes, delivering his address on October 7th. Check out Mavericks and Machetes at JayKiew.com. [33:33] Be sure to register for the RIMS Canada Conference 2024 at RIMSCanadaConference.ca. Interviews with more RIMS Canada Conference 2024 speakers are on the way. [35:43] It's Plug Time! The RIMS App is available to RIMS members exclusively. Go to the App Store and download the RIMS App with all sorts of RIMS resources and coverage. It's different from the RIMS Events App. Everyone loves the RIMS App! [36:18] You can sponsor a RIMScast episode for this, our weekly show, or a dedicated episode. Links to sponsored episodes are in our show notes. RIMScast has a global audience of risk and insurance professionals, legal professionals, students, business leaders, C-Suite executives, and more. Let's collaborate! Contact pd@rims.org for more information. [37:02] Become a RIMS member and get access to the tools, thought leadership, and network you need to succeed. Visit RIMS.org/membership or email membershipdept@RIMS.org for more information. [37:19] Risk Knowledge is the RIMS searchable content library that provides relevant information for today's risk professionals. Materials include RIMS executive reports, survey findings, contributed articles, industry research, benchmarking data, and more. [37:35] For the best reporting on the profession of risk management, read Risk Management Magazine at RMMagazine.com. It is written and published by the best minds in risk management. Justin Smulison is the Business Content Manager at RIMS. You can email Justin at Content@RIMS.org. [37:56] Thank you for your continued support and engagement on social media channels! We appreciate all your kind words. Listen every week! Stay safe!   Mentioned in this Episode: RIMS Canada Conference 2024 — Oct. 6‒9 | Registration is open! RISKWORLD 2025 will be in Chicago! May 4‒7 RIMS DEI Council Spencer Educational Foundation — Grants Page — Apply Through July 30. RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Virtual Workshops — Next Workshop with PARIMA July 18‒19, 2024! RIMS Strategic & Enterprise Risk Center NEW FOR MEMBERS! RIMS Mobile App Florida RIMS Annual Conference — July 30‒Aug. 3, 2024! Spencer Educational Foundation — Funding Their Future Gala 2024 JayKiew.com   RIMS Webinars: Hurricane Preparedness in 2024: Innovations and Strategies | Sponsored by ServPro | Aug. 8, 2024 How to Successfully Deploy AI in Risk Management | Sponsored by Riskonnect | Aug. 27, 2024 RIMS.org/Webinars   Upcoming Virtual Workshops: Claims Management — July 23‒24 Leveraging Data and Analytics for Continuous Risk Management (Part I) 2024 — Aug 15 See the full calendar of RIMS Virtual Workshops RIMS-CRMP Prep Workshops   Related RIMScast Episodes: “On Risk Appetite and Tolerance” “Live Again from RISKWORLD 2024!” “RIMS 2024 Rising Star Chelsea Andrusiak” “Water and Women in Risk with Sarah Mikolich” “Risk and Leadership with Lt. Gen. (ret) Roméo Dallaire” “The Future of AI and Work with Sinead Bovell” “Crisis-Ready with RIMS Canada Plenary Melissa Agnes” “Mental Health Awareness Month 2023”   Sponsored RIMScast Episodes: “Harnessing the Power of Data and Analytics for Effective Risk Management” | Sponsored by Marsh (New!) “Accident Prevention — The Winning Formula For Construction and Insurance” | Sponsored by Otoos “Platinum Protection: Underwriting and Risk Engineering's Role in Protecting Commercial Properties” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Elevating RMIS — The Archer Way” | Sponsored by Archer “Alliant's P&C Outlook For 2024” | Sponsored by Alliant “Why Subrogation is the New Arbitration” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyclone Season: Proactive Preparation for Loss Minimization” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “Subrogation and the Competitive Advantage” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyberrisk Outlook 2023” | Sponsored by Alliant “Chemical Industry: How To Succeed Amid Emerging Risks and a Challenging Market” | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD “Insuring the Future of the Environment” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Insights into the Gig Economy and its Contractors” | Sponsored by Zurich “The Importance of Disaster Planning Relationships” | Sponsored by ServiceMaster   RIMS Publications, Content, and Links: RIMS Membership — Whether you are a new member or need to transition, be a part of the global risk management community! RIMS Virtual Workshops On-Demand Webinars RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Stories — New interviews featuring RIMS Risk Management Honor Roll Inductee Mrunal Pandit!   RIMS Events, Education, and Services: RIMS Risk Maturity Model® RIMS Events App Apple | Google Play   Sponsor RIMScast: Contact sales@rims.org or pd@rims.org for more information.   Want to Learn More? Keep up with the podcast on RIMS.org and listen on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.   Have a question or suggestion? Email: Content@rims.org.   Join the Conversation! Follow @RIMSorg on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.   About our guest: Jay Kiew, Change Navigation Strategist Tweetables (Edited For Social Media Use): As the students are clamoring to join their clubs, the one that stuck out was Toastmasters. What is that? Little did I know, I stumbled upon this weekly recurrence where I could test the art and science of speaking in public, which translates well to my work of today. — Jay Kiew   Change navigation is a combination of strategy and change management. It starts with casting a vision of where the organization could go, planning how to bring people on the journey, and changing people's behaviors to match the vision.— Jay Kiew   It's important to see people where they are and then shift with them into a different state. Empathy is the starting point. Use intentional observation. — Jay Kiew   Ask where is this person's head right now. Are they more thoughtful, are they quick? Are they trying to get to the point quicker or are they totally talking about something else? Where is their mind? — Jay Kiew  

In this weeks episode:  Telstra Ventures rebrands to Titanium.  Skalata the most active investor in Australia.  GYG goes public.  Founder ownership at IPO.  Cettire CFO likely tax bill after stock drops 50%.  Canva claw back of share rights if you publicly criticise the company.  But is this uncommon?  Time from seed to Series A lengthening. Employment Hero's Series F raise my be its last. Employment Hero's CEO suggests Superfunds should invest 1% of capital in startups.  Pitchbook report into the Australian and New Zealand ecosystem.  Tenacious Ventures lives up to its name with $18M raise.  Brighte locks in $195m via green debt facility.  Camms acquired by Riskonnect. Roger Federer's commencement speak has lessons for founders.  What VCs actually mean.  Sharts https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fpspp0000501 hello@tribeglobal.vc 

Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   Justin Smulison interviews Victoria Ogbuehi of Coca-Cola about her education, her aspirations, her 12 years in public security, and her move into risk management. She describes the personality traits that are most helpful in an ERM career, such as a learning mindset and a habit of hard work. She describes winning her awards, as well as the importance of the RIMS-CRMP to her career and even her confidence. She cautions young professionals that if they are lazy, they should not try to work in risk management.   Listen in to learn about a fascinating career move from security to risk management. Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMS and RIMScast. [:16] About this episode of RIMScast, coming to you from RIMS Headquarters in New York. My guest is Victoria Ogbuehi, RIMS-CRMP. She is the Senior Risk and Resilience Manager for Coca-Cola Hellenic Bottling Company in Nigeria and a four-time Outstanding Security Performance Award winner! Lots to discuss! [:51] First, let's talk about RIMS Virtual Workshops. The full calendar of virtual workshops is at RIMS.org/VirtualWorkshops. On June 18th and 19th, we have Fundamentals of Risk Management. On July 9th and 10th, we have Managing Workers' Compensation. [1:07] On July 23rd and 24th, we have Claims Management. Other dates for Fall and Winter are on the Virtual Workshops full calendar at RIMS.org/VirtualWorkshops. [1:20] Let's talk about prep courses for the RIMS-CRMP. Our guest today is a beneficiary of the RIMS-CRMP Exam Prep Course. The next session for risk managers based in the U.S. and Canada will be held on August 7th and 8th, followed by a two-day session on September 12th and 13th, and lastly, on December 17th and 18th. [1:50] The next RIMS-CRMP-FED Exam Prep Course will be held on December 3rd through 5th, 2024. Additional Prep Courses are offered through NST Academy, India, Conrad Clark Nigeria, UCLA, and others. A link to these resources and more is also in this episode's show notes. [2:11] Victoria Ogbuehi is the Senior Risk and Resilience Manager for the Coca-Cola Hellenic Bottling Company, based in Nigeria. I know her from being a RIMS-CRMP holder. She has a fascinating career I wanted everyone to hear about, including 12 years at the Nigerian Security and Civil Defense Corps! [2:40] Victoria was risk-adjacent and then made her way over to full-time risk management. I can't wait for all of you to hear what her risk journey has been like. [2:52] Victoria Ogbuehi, welcome to RIMScast! [3:25] Victoria's 12 years with the Nigerian Security and Civil Defense Corps, coming right out of school, were the most stressful years of her life. Entering the real world, she saw her school days seemed to be out of reality. The 12 years were hectic but they were a cherished time and a learning process that made her find her footing in her risk role today. [4:14] Victoria started as a core inspector and grew in rank. She had never intended to be a security professional. [4:48] Victoria studied economics in her undergraduate years. She had wanted to work in the Central Bank of Nigeria, the World Bank, or the Securities and Exchange Commission. She wanted to help grow economies. [5:27] Victoria has never worked at a financial center or in the field of economics. In her third year as a public security professional, she felt stuck and she knew it was time to pursue a career in security. In Nigeria, some job applications are restricted to an age window and she wanted to make a change. She wanted security to be her calling for life. [6:40] Victoria went back to school to study law enforcement and criminal justice. With that degree, she felt more confident and motivated. She went back again to study law. She understood that knowing the law would help her be a better law enforcer. She got certificates for security management and operations. It was her journey of building for 12 years until she left. [8:08] Security is a male-dominated field, globally. For Victoria, it was not about men dominating the field but about the passion for what she did. [9:08] There were so many challenges for Victoria in Security. One of the biggest challenges was inadequate training. She is very studious and doesn't like to go a year without taking a course in something. For three years, she wasn't exposed to any courses. Then she took them at her own expense without support. She had to beg her employer to acknowledge her studies. [10:12] Another big challenge for Victoria was that there was no motivation. She felt stuck all the time. Simply put, there were few opportunities for growth. [11:00] Victoria had heard about risk and insurance at school. As a student, she did not see herself as becoming a risk manager. However, when the opportunity to become a risk manager eventually came, she applied. The application process was tough. The position was strategic and she had to appear before the Managing Director and the Group Chief Risk Officer. [12:21] Victoria had the advantage of her knowledge of economics and 12 years of security operations experience. She saw this opening more as an opportunity to learn something new than as a job. The people who hired Victoria saw potential in her. She didn't have confidence in herself but relied on her economics education. That was Victoria's journey to risk management. [13:38] It's RIMS plug time! Webinars! On June 13th, our friends from Riskonnect return to present Unlocking the Value of Business Continuity and Insurable Risk Management. [13:52] Our friends at TÜV SÜD GRC return on June 20th to present Sustainability Without the Sticker Shock: Save Green While Going Green. Register at RIMS.org/Webinars. Webinars are complimentary for RIMS members! [14:08] The RIMS ERM Conference 2024 will be held on November 18th and 19th in Boston, Massachusetts. The agenda will be announced soon, as will a call for submissions for the ERM Award of Distinction. I'll have that link up soon on an upcoming episode. [14:28] Review your organization's ERM program, and if you feel it was successful and you have the numbers and the data to back it up, compile that information and get ready to submit your ERM program for the ERM Award of Distinction. [14:42] The Spencer Educational Foundation's goal to help build a talent pipeline of risk management and insurance professionals is achieved, in part, through a collaboration with risk management and insurance educators across the United States and Canada. This also applies to not-for-profit entities. [15:02] If this description applies to you, you should apply for a Spencer General Grant. The application deadline is July 30th, 2024. General Grant awardees are typically notified at the end of October. [15:18] The Spencer 2024 Funding Their Future Gala will be held on Thursday, September 12th, 2024 at The Cipriani 42nd Street in New York City. Links are in this episode's show notes. This year's honoree will be Lilian Vanvieldt-Gray. She is the Executive Vice President and Chief Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Officer for Alliant Insurance Services.  [15:41] Lilian Vanvieldt-Gray will appear on an upcoming RIMScast episode. Be sure to subscribe to RIMScast through your favorite podcasting app to make sure you catch that episode and the 291-plus other episodes that antedate it. [15:58] Back to the interview with Victoria Ogbuehi! In addition to being an employee of Coca-Cola, Victoria is involved in ERM. Victoria says applying ERM at her group in Coca-Cola is not difficult but complex. The group has well-developed guidelines for enterprise risk management. Over 80% of what you do are deterrents. They have robust processes in place.  [17:24] Victoria engages every risk-accountable leader. She notes four serious security risks across the business: kidnapping, terrorism, crime, and internal fraud. Other functions, such as supply chain, finance, procurement, and so on, each have specific risks they are looking out for. Victoria's duty is to coordinate the risk management efforts of the different functions. [18:34] Victoria facilitates Risk Review Sessions and ensures that all the accountable risk owners understand the expectations, especially when reviewing the effectiveness of the measures they put in place. She helps evaluate risk response plans and contingency plans and helps the risk owners understand what is expected of them. It's a gradual process. [19:16] When there's a change in leadership, Victoria onboards them on the expectations. Risk is not managed by one person or department but is a cross-functional collaborative effort. That is what ERM is all about. Victoria works to understand each group's processes and operations so she can advise them in the best way. [20:01] Victoria would not say that Coca-Cola HBC in Nigeria is targeted directly for risks or threats. Nigeria is a very diverse country and the most populous in Africa. Because of the diversity, the crimes committed differ across regions. Coca-Cola HBC is one of the biggest companies in the country and has operations across the country. [21:15] Coca-Cola HBC ensures that they identify all of the crime hot spots and proactively advise their employees on the safe places to go and unsafe places to avoid, how they can avoid those places, and how to conduct themselves in the event they find themselves in those environments unexpectedly, or anything happens. Environments continue to evolve. [22:09] The ERM group continually monitors the threat velocity and gives advice based on their findings. It is an ongoing activity. Nowhere in the world is completely safe. They do assessments, giving their employees priority and keeping everyone as safe as possible. [24:07] Victoria has been the honoree of the Outstanding Security Performance Award four times. She considers how far she has come. She used to sleep eight hours a night; now, she sleeps six because she wants to keep getting results. She keeps telling herself to work hard. Her work has been appreciated and honored. That's what the OSPAs mean to her. [24:55] Victoria speaks of adding the impact of the RIMS-CRMP certification to her title. RIMS is powerful! The certification is one of the best things to happen in her career. She looked for the best single certification available and saw that the RIMS-CRMP was it, so she worked hard for it. She was concerned about passing the exam but the course curriculum was well put together. [26:03] RIMS-CRMP magnified Victoria's confidence level because she knows what she talks about is correct. Her confidence has been building up since earning it. [27:14] Victoria's advice to young professionals considering entering the risk management field: “Please don't even venture if you are a lazy person! You can't try it, OK? You have to be very hard-working, tolerant, and patient. These are some of the qualities that will help you accomplish your purposes as a risk manager. You're going to be working cross-functionally.” [27:47] “You cannot wake up one day and say this is what I want to do today and I want to do it alone. It is difficult to manage risk alone. It's something you do cross-functionally. You need collaborative and persuasive skills and know-how to talk to people and have them listen to you; how to engage people naturally.” [28:18] “For most functions, managing risks is not part of their key performance indicators, so they will usually not make it a priority. The way you engage, interact with and persuade them will determine how far they will go to respond to you. You are accountable for those risks. You need a lot of endurance, patience, and tolerance. You have to be hardworking and studious.” [28:53] “Every day you have to be learning new things because the risk landscape continues to evolve. You cannot be a lazy person.” [29:09] Special thanks, again, to Victoria Ogbuehi. You can learn more about Victoria and her fascinating career through the RIMS-CRMP Stories feature. A link is in this episode's show notes. [29:24] It's Plug Time! The RIMS App is available to RIMS members exclusively. Go to the App Store and download the RIMS App with all sorts of RIMS resources and coverage. It's different from the RIMS Events App. Everyone loves the RIMS App! [29:56] You can sponsor a RIMScast episode for this, our weekly show, or a dedicated episode. Links to sponsored episodes are in our show notes. RIMScast has a global audience of risk and insurance professionals, legal professionals, students, business leaders, C-Suite executives, and more. Let's collaborate! Contact pd@rims.org for more information. [30:40] Become a RIMS member and get access to the tools, thought leadership, and network you need to succeed. Visit RIMS.org/membership or email membershipdept@RIMS.org for more information. [30:58] Risk Knowledge is the RIMS searchable content library that provides relevant information for today's risk professionals. Materials include RIMS executive reports, survey findings, contributed articles, industry research, benchmarking data, and more. [31:14] For the best reporting on the profession of risk management, read Risk Management Magazine at RMMagazine.com. It is written and published by the best minds in risk management. Justin Smulison is the Business Content Manager at RIMS. You can email Justin at Content@RIMS.org. [31:35] Thank you for your continued support and engagement on social media channels! We appreciate all your kind words. Listen every week! Stay safe!   Mentioned in this Episode: RISKWORLD 2025 will be in Chicago! May 4‒7 RIMS DEI Council Spencer Educational Foundation — Grants Page — Apply Through July 30. RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Virtual Workshops — Next Workshop with PARIMA July 18‒19, 2024! RIMS Strategic & Enterprise Risk Center NEW FOR MEMBERS! RIMS Mobile App RIMS-CRMP Stories — New interviews featuring today's guest Victoria Ogbuehi and RIMS Treasurer Manny Padilla! “Leveraging Insurance and Risk Management to Address Political Risk” — RIMS Executive Report   RIMS Webinars: Unlocking the Value of Business Continuity and Insurable Risk Management | Sponsored by Riskonnect | June 13, 2024 Sustainability Without the Sticker Shock: Save Green While Going Green | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD | June 20, 2024 RIMS.org/Webinars   Upcoming Virtual Workshops: See the full calendar of RIMS Virtual Workshops RIMS-CRMP Prep Workshops   Related RIMScast Episodes: “Live Again from RISKWORLD 2024!” “Global Perspectives with RIMS Mexico, Australasia Chapter Leaders” “Solving Wicked Problems with Dr. Gav Schneider” “Safety and International Risk Leadership with Franck Baron” “Active Shooter Preparedness and Insurance with Paul Marshall”   Sponsored RIMScast Episodes: “Accident Prevention — The Winning Formula For Construction and Insurance” | Sponsored by Otoos (New!) “Platinum Protection: Underwriting and Risk Engineering's Role in Protecting Commercial Properties” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Elevating RMIS — The Archer Way” | Sponsored by Archer “Alliant's P&C Outlook For 2024” | Sponsored by Alliant “Why Subrogation is the New Arbitration” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyclone Season: Proactive Preparation for Loss Minimization” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “Subrogation and the Competitive Advantage” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyberrisk Outlook 2023” | Sponsored by Alliant “Chemical Industry: How To Succeed Amid Emerging Risks and a Challenging Market” | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD “Insuring the Future of the Environment” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Insights into the Gig Economy and its Contractors” | Sponsored by Zurich “The Importance of Disaster Planning Relationships” | Sponsored by ServiceMaster   RIMS Publications, Content, and Links: RIMS Membership — Whether you are a new member or need to transition, be a part of the global risk management community! RIMS Virtual Workshops On-Demand Webinars RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Stories — New interview featuring RIMS Treasurer Manny Padilla! Spencer Educational Foundation Leveraging Insurance and Risk Management to Address Political Risk — RIMS Executive Report   RIMS Events, Education, and Services: RIMS Risk Maturity Model® RIMS Events App Apple | Google Play   Sponsor RIMScast: Contact sales@rims.org or pd@rims.org for more information.   Want to Learn More? Keep up with the podcast on RIMS.org and listen on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.   Have a question or suggestion? Email: Content@rims.org.   Join the Conversation! Follow @RIMSorg on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.   About our guests: Victoria Ogbuehi of Coca-Cola Hellenic Bottling Company Tweetables (Edited For Social Media Use): It was very stressful. It was very hectic. But it happened to be one of the most cherished times of my life because it was a time when I had to go through the learning process that made me find my footing so easily in my role today. — Victoria Ogbuehi, Ph.D.   One of the biggest challenges for me was inadequate training. I'm a very studious person. I'm not the kind of person who just wants to go a year without intentionally undertaking a course of studying something. — Victoria Ogbuehi, Ph.D.   You find us everywhere you go in Nigeria. You can't stop refreshing Nigeria. Everybody wants to drink our water. You can't go a day without taking a bottle of Coke! — Victoria Ogbuehi, Ph.D.   For most functions, managing risks is not part of their key performance indicators, so they will usually not make it a priority. The way you engage, interact with and persuade them will determine how they will respond to you. — Victoria Ogbuehi, Ph.D.  

Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   Justin Smulison interviews Julie Bean, 2024 Ron Judd Heart of RIMS Award Winner about her career in risk management, including how she ended up at seven companies in her first two years, and about her extensive involvement in RIMS Chapter committee leadership, chairing three committees and co-chairing a fourth committee at the same time. Her advice to new risk managers: Get involved in your RIMS Chapter, join committees, and build your network. Networking builds your career. Listen in for risk management insight and thoughts about being involved. Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMS and RIMScast. [:15] About this episode of RIMScast, coming to you from RIMS Headquarters in New York. We will be joined by the Ron Judd Heart of RIMS Award winner for 2024, Julie Bean! [:37] First, let's talk about RIMS Virtual Workshops. The full calendar of virtual workshops is at RIMS.org/VirtualWorkshops. On June 11th and 12th, we've got Applying and Integrating ERM. Also on June 11th and 12th, we have Fundamentals of Insurance. On June 18th and 19th, we have Fundamentals of Risk Management. [:59] On July 9th and 10th, we have Managing Workers' Compensation. On July 23rd and 24th, we have Claims Management. Other dates for Fall and Winter are on the Virtual Workshops full calendar at RIMS.org/VirtualWorkshops. [1:16] Let me tell you about the new dedicated RIMScast episode that just went live, sponsored by Otoos, “Accident Prevention — The Winning Formula For Construction and Insurance”. I interviewed Dana Kfir, the Director of Customer Success at Otoos about how technology can improve safety on construction sites and how companies can use incentives to drive change. [1:46] The link to this dedicated episode is in this episode's show notes. It is complimentary for RIMS members and nonmembers. Go check it out! If you are interested in producing a similar special episode of RIMScast that features your organization and is tailored to meet the needs of your audience, reach out to us at Content@RIMS.org or Sales@RIMS.org. [2:12] The Ron Judd Heart of RIMS Award recognizes the volunteer contributions of a RIMS member who serves as a role model while keeping the chapter and the society vibrant and resilient, truly exemplifying the heart of RIMS. Julie Bean is best known as an omnipresent force in the RIMS Chicago Chapter. She is this year's recipient. [2:38] We saw her take to the stage in San Diego during RISKWORLD 2024. We had a chance to connect afterward and I'm so glad to present this interview where she will share some of her insight and knowledge on her work as a risk professional and her illustrious career, and what it took to balance being a RIMS chapter and a risk professional. [3:06] 2024 Ron Judd Heart of RIMS Award winner, Julie Bean, welcome to RIMScast! [3:38] Julie says it was an amazing feeling to receive the Ron Judd Heart of RIMS Award at RISKWORLD 2024. She worked for a month on her acceptance speech, but then the presenters told her there would not be time for remarks. She was just happy to walk across the stage with an enormous headshot behind her! The San Diego Convention Center has a huge stage. [4:49] Julie takes a moment to reflect on the award. When her chapter nominated her and she saw the letters of recommendation, she was touched. She had never felt she was going over and above; it's in her DNA to be part of the chapter, one of the largest next to New York. The chapter's energy is so exciting! Julie always felt it an honor to be a part of it. [5:46] Julie says, “Thank you to my incredible chapter and all of the risk professionals whom I've had the honor of meeting over these 20-something years. It was an honor to be there.” [6:15] Julie was a Marketing and English double major, with no risk or insurance classes. In the working world, she was expecting to go into marketing but worked in companies that either shut down or were bought by somebody else. In two years, she was at seven companies. Through all that, she learned about resilience in companies and within herself. [6:58] After her sixth company, Julie went to her headhunter to reinvent herself and find something else. That has helped her a lot in the risk management world because resilience is what it takes to protect the company and make it stronger. [7:30] Julie is at the Chamberlain Group; in July it will be 19 years. She joined at the level of the parent company, the Duchossois Group. It's a family-owned company. The Duchossois Group bought and sold several companies. Julie ended up at the Chamberlain Group once the other companies were divested. She has always been doing risk management for Chamberlain. [8:03] Chamberlain is the access solutions company with the garage door operators LiftMaster and Chamberlain and MyQ Technology. Julie has always been a department of one, so she has learned to surround herself with people who help her in her profession and help her company. [8:35] To work as a department of one, Julie created her path forward in a family business. The Duchossois Group gave her flexibility and autonomy in her role. She understood there was no vertical mobility. [10:17] Julie learned early that she needed to surround herself with a network of smart people. Her broker and professional networks are extensions of her department. [11:04] Julie is risk-averse. She looks for the worst thing that could happen and asks if they want to take that risk. There are upsides to taking risks. Her RIMS committee work allowed her to lead and taught her to delegate. Once you delegate, your committee is much stronger. [12:22] Julie tells about her RIMS journey. Dan Morris, a one-time RIMS chapter president, and Julie's boss at ServiceMaster, encouraged Julie to attend RIMS chapter meetings and serve on committees. In the Chicago Chapter, there are many opportunities because many things are going on. At one time, she was chairing three committees and co-chairing a fourth. [14:15] Julie is thankful that her boss at the time, Colleen O'Connor, found it valuable for Julie to spend time on committees because of the networking and the knowledge she gained from her involvement with RIMS. [14:49] Julie speaks of the benefits to her career she derives from networking. People she knows at RIMS are the most brilliant minds in the risk community and they are so willing to share their thoughts. When she has a problem, she asks for help and the answers come quickly. [17:09] For several years, Julie had a session at RIMS for family-owned privately-held companies. It was a closed session because, those who work in that environment have different, unique challenges than a large public Fortune 500 company. Julie says those sessions were incredible. She could always reach out to any of those peers to get good advice. [17:54] It's RIMS plug time! Webinars! On June 6th, Evident ID makes its RIMS Webinars debut with Uncovering Hidden Risks in Your Third-Party Risk Management Program. On June 13th, our friends at Riskonnect return to present Unlocking the Value of Business Continuity and Insurable Risk Management. [18:18] Our friends at TÜV SÜD GRC return on June 20th to present Sustainability Without the Sticker Shock: Save Green While Going Green. Register at RIMS.org/Webinars. Webinars are complimentary for RIMS members! [18:35] The RIMS ERM Conference 2024 will be held on November 18th and 19th in Boston, Massachusetts. The agenda will be announced soon, as will a call for submissions for the ERM Award of Distinction. I'll have that link up soon on an upcoming episode. [18:54] Review your organization's ERM program, and if you feel it was successful and you have the numbers and the data to back it up, compile that information and get ready to submit your ERM program for the ERM Award of Distinction. [19:09] The Spencer Educational Foundation's goal to help build a talent pipeline of risk management and insurance professionals is achieved, in part, through a collaboration with risk management and insurance educators across the United States and Canada. This also applies to not-for-profit entities. [19:29] If this description applies to you, you should apply for a Spencer General Grant. The application deadline is July 30th, 2024. General Grant awardees are typically notified at the end of October. [19:45] The Spencer 2024 Funding Their Future Gala will be held on Thursday, September 12th, 2024 at The Cipriani 42nd Street in New York City. Links are in this episode's show notes. [20:06] Back to the interview with the Ron Judd Heart of RIMS Award winner Julie Bean! [20:29] Julie is in Oakbrook, Illinois, where the Chamberlain Group resides. It's a suburb outside of Chicago. RIMS will be in Chicago for RISKWORLD 2025 in May 2025. In May, there's a good chance of having good weather in Chicago! Julie will most definitely be there! [22:20] Julie's biggest challenge over the years has been to show the value proposition of the risk management role. If it's done correctly, nobody notices you. You're not a profit center. What the role does is to protect the assets of the company; to ensure that anything is handled. What is the value of the claim not happening because you had good risk control? [22:58] What is the value of putting the correct insurance in place so that you're covered and protected when there are losses? Julie tries to encourage people in the organization to understand that risk is everybody's responsibility. The risk manager does not own risks. A risk manager gets involved with the other departments to understand the risks in the organization. [24:20] When Julie lost her first job for reasons beyond her control, she was shocked. She says you have to think about what you offer a company, not what companies are going to offer you. After the third and fourth job losses, she switched her mindset. In those experiences, she had learned what she didn't want to do: crunch numbers in spreadsheets with no human interaction. [25:16] The roles Julie enjoyed were solving problems and interacting with people; understanding the situation and figuring out how to fix it or make it better. No matter how good you feel about yourself when they hand you that box and send you out the door, it's not a happy place to be. [25:49] Have your network of peers and be involved with it. That's how you'll find your next job; that's how Julie found Duchossois, 19 years ago. Her peers told her, “Take a chance, you might like the culture.” [26:42] Julie explains the end of REBEX as ties were cut between the Milwaukee Wisconsin Chapter and the Chicago Chapter. Chicago RIMS Chapter joined forces with the Mid-Illinois RIMS Chapter to rebrand REBEX as Chicagoland Risk Forum and stay a regional conference. [27:45] The move carried a lot of risk but it was needed to revitalize the conference. Julie made many conference calls with chapter leaders. It almost didn't work but everyone on the committee was energized and determined to make it happen. When it did, Julie felt like she was walking into RISKWORLD. It was a definite success in the first year and it is a big moneymaker. [29:45] Julie talks about managing expectations. She does this from day to day in her job. That gets people to trust you. You can't always deliver good news but you can manage expectations and that gives credence to your role. [30:37] Julie's advice to the next generation of risk managers: “I would just say that what they get out of participation in RIMS will far outweigh any expectation they have, without question. The people are so willing to give of themselves. Get involved. Be the one in the room to raise your hand and say, ‘I think I want to be a part of that.' Start small. Take manageable bites.” [31:18] “As soon as they get in, I would guarantee that they will be hooked by the exuberance and the energy of the group.” [31:32] Julie, it has been such a pleasure to meet you. I look forward to seeing you next year at RISKWORLD 2025, for our 75th anniversary. It's a big deal; we're already planning for it. [31:46] A quick plug for the 2024 Chicagoland Risk Forum, hosted by the Chicago RIMS Chapter. It's the Ninth Annual Chicagoland Risk Forum, on September 19th, 2024. It's a big day; 8:00 a.m. to 7:00 pm. It's at The Old Post Office, an incredible venue with a rooftop bar. It's free for risk managers and staff! Please sign up and join us! A link to register is in this episode's show notes. [33:49] Julie, thank you so much for joining us here on RIMScast!  [33:52] Special thanks, once again, to Heart of RIMS Award winner Julie Bean, for joining us here today. There are so many great takeaways from her insight! Be sure to learn even more about her in the special Awards Edition of Risk Management magazine. The link is in this episode's show notes. [34:08] On September 19th, 2024, the RIMS Chicago Chapter Chicagoland Risk Forum 2024 will be held at The Old Post Office. Visit ChicagolandRiskForum.org for more information. Remember, it's free if you are a risk manager! [34:27] Let's continue with the plugs! The RIMS App is available to RIMS members exclusively. Go to the App Store and download the RIMS App with all sorts of RIMS resources and coverage. It's different from the RIMS Events App. Everyone loves the RIMS App! [35:01] You can sponsor a RIMScast episode for this, our weekly show, or a dedicated episode. Links to sponsored episodes are in our show notes. RIMScast has a global audience of risk and insurance professionals, legal professionals, students, business leaders, C-Suite executives, and more. Let's collaborate! Contact pd@rims.org for more information. [35:45] Become a RIMS member and get access to the tools, thought leadership, and network you need to succeed. Visit RIMS.org/membership or email membershipdept@RIMS.org for more information. [36:03] Risk Knowledge is the RIMS searchable content library that provides relevant information for today's risk professionals. Materials include RIMS executive reports, survey findings, contributed articles, industry research, benchmarking data, and more. [36:19] For the best reporting on the profession of risk management, read Risk Management Magazine at RMMagazine.com. It is written and published by the best minds in risk management. Justin Smulison is the Business Content Manager at RIMS. You can email Justin at Content@RIMS.org. [36:40] Thank you for your continued support and engagement on social media channels! We appreciate all your kind words. Listen every week! Stay safe!   Mentioned in this Episode: RISKWORLD 2025 will be in Chicago! May 4‒7 RIMS Risk Management Awards Edition 2024 (featuring Julie Bean) Chicagoland Risk Forum 2024 — Presented by RIMS Chicago Chapter — Sept. 19, 2024 RIMS DEI Council Spencer Educational Foundation — Grants Page — Apply Through July 30. RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Virtual Workshops RIMS Strategic & Enterprise Risk Center NEW FOR MEMBERS! RIMS Mobile App RISKWORLD 2024 Show Daily — May 6, May 7, May 8   RIMS Webinars: Uncovering Hidden Risks in Your Third-Party Risk Management Program | Sponsored by EVIDENT ID | June 6, 2024 Unlocking the Value of Business Continuity and Insurable Risk Management | Sponsored by Riskonnect | June 13, 2024 Sustainability Without the Sticker Shock: Save Green While Going Green | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD | June 20, 2024 RIMS.org/Webinars   Upcoming Virtual Workshops: See the full calendar of RIMS Virtual Workshops RIMS-CRMP Prep Workshops   Related RIMScast Episodes: “RIMS 2024 Goodell Award Winner Eamonn Cunningham” “RIMS 2024 Rising Star Chelsea Andrusiak” “RIMS 2024 Risk Manager of the Year, Steve Robles”   Sponsored RIMScast Episodes: “Accident Prevention — The Winning Formula For Construction and Insurance” | Sponsored by Otoos (New!) “Platinum Protection: Underwriting and Risk Engineering's Role in Protecting Commercial Properties” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Elevating RMIS — The Archer Way” | Sponsored by Archer “Alliant's P&C Outlook For 2024” | Sponsored by Alliant “Why Subrogation is the New Arbitration” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyclone Season: Proactive Preparation for Loss Minimization” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “Subrogation and the Competitive Advantage” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyberrisk Outlook 2023” | Sponsored by Alliant “Chemical Industry: How To Succeed Amid Emerging Risks and a Challenging Market” | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD “Insuring the Future of the Environment” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Insights into the Gig Economy and its Contractors” | Sponsored by Zurich “The Importance of Disaster Planning Relationships” | Sponsored by ServiceMaster   RIMS Publications, Content, and Links: RIMS Membership — Whether you are a new member or need to transition, be a part of the global risk management community! RIMS Virtual Workshops On-Demand Webinars RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Stories — New interview featuring RIMS Treasurer Manny Padilla! Spencer Educational Foundation Leveraging Insurance and Risk Management to Address Political Risk — RIMS Executive Report   RIMS Events, Education, and Services: RIMS Risk Maturity Model® RIMS Events App Apple | Google Play   Sponsor RIMScast: Contact sales@rims.org or pd@rims.org for more information.   Want to Learn More? Keep up with the podcast on RIMS.org and listen on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.   Have a question or suggestion? Email: Content@rims.org.   Join the Conversation! Follow @RIMSorg on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.   About our guests: Julie Bean, ARM, CRM, Head of Risk Management at Chamberlain Group Tweetables (Edited For Social Media Use): If you're the smartest person in the room, you need to find another room. — Julie Bean   For several years I had a session at RIMS for family-owned privately-held companies. It was a closed session because, those who work in that environment have very different, unique challenges than a large public Fortune 500 company. — Julie Bean   If risk management is done correctly, nobody notices you. You're not a profit center. You don't sell or manufacture anything. What the role does is to protect the assets of the company; to ensure that anything is handled. What is the value of the claim not happening? — Julie Bean   No matter how good you feel about yourself when they hand you that box and send you out the door, it's not a happy place to be. — Julie Bean  

Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   Justin Smulison interviews three of his favorite people, Lorie Graham, Trisha Sqrow, and Dr. Lianne Appelt, who are the three authors of the new RIMS Executive Report, Developing and Refining Risk Appetite and Tolerance. They discuss how the executive report was conceived and written, and what the challenges were in writing it. The report contains insight and direction on the need for a clear and accessible risk appetite statement and risk tolerance in any organization using ERM. They speak of challenges risk professionals face in setting a risk appetite statement, and why risk appetite is essential for organizations today, Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMS and RIMScast. [:15] About this episode of RIMScast, coming to you from RIMS Headquarters in New York. We will be joined by past and present members of the RIMS Strategic and Enterprise Risk Management Council to discuss their new RIMS Executive Report, Developing and Refining Risk Appetite and Tolerance. [:47] First, let's talk about RIMS Virtual Workshops. The full calendar of virtual workshops is at RIMS.org/VirtualWorkshops. On June 11th and 12th, we've got Applying and Integrating ERM. Also on June 11th and 12th, we have Fundamentals of Insurance. On June 18th and 19th, we have Fundamentals of Risk Management. [1:09] On July 9th and 10th, we have Managing Workers' Compensation. On July 23rd and 24th, we have Claims Management. Other dates for Fall and Winter are on the Virtual Workshops full calendar at RIMS.org/VirtualWorkshops. [1:27] Let me tell you about the new dedicated RIMScast episode that just went live, sponsored by Otoos, “Accident Prevention — The Winning Formula For Construction and Insurance”. I interviewed Dana Kfir, the Director of Customer Success at Otoos about how technology can improve safety on construction sites and how companies can use incentives to drive change. [1:57] The link to this dedicated episode is in this episode's show notes. It is complimentary for RIMS members and nonmembers. Go check it out! If you are interested in producing a similar special episode of RIMScast that features your organization and is tailored to meet the needs of your audience, reach out to us at Content@RIMS.org or Sales@RIMS.org. [2:23] The RIMS Canada Conference 2024 will be held in Vancouver from October 6th through October 9th. The deadline for session submissions has been extended through May 30th! Visit RIMSCanadaConference.ca or the link in this episode's show notes to learn more about how you can submit your educational session for consideration at RIMS Canada Conference 2024. [2:54] As mentioned, RIMS has a new Executive Report called Developing and Refining Risk Appetite and Tolerance. It is available through the link in this episode's show notes and through the Risk Knowledge page at RIMS.org. The report was jointly authored by three of my favorite people, Lorie Graham, Trisha Sqrow, and Dr. Lianne Appelt. [3:19] All have been featured in the ERM Q&A Series. Trisha and Lorie have both been featured here on RIMScast, and Lianne is making her debut. We're going to talk all about this wonderful new Executive Report that was just released. We'll see where we can extend the dialog beyond the report. [3:43] Lorie Graham, Trisha Sqrow, and Dr. Lianne Appelt, welcome to RIMScast! [3:53] I am joined by three of my favorite RIMS members. Two of you are returning to RIMScast. One is making your RIMScast debut, Dr. Lianne Appelt. People might know Dr. Lianne Appelt from RIMS-CRMP Stories, earlier this year. [4:36] Trisha Sqrow of Marsh is next. Trisha says it's great to be part of the Strategic and Enterprise Risk Management Council. Trisha was with DFW Airport when they received Honorable Mention for the ERM Award of Distinction in 2021. [5:38] Lorie Graham is “the leading Oracle of ORSA.” Lorie was the Vice-Chair and Chair of the RIMS Strategic and Enterprise Risk Management Council. As the former Chair, Lorie kept her word and helped see this paper through. [6:23] Lianne says that putting together a risk appetite statement or devising risk tolerance levels or the other elements described in this paper are some of the hardest things we do as risk professionals. When this was discussed in the Council, Lianne saw potential value in having a guide with examples for risk practitioners to learn from and use to grow their programs. [7:54] This paper was Trisha's first project on the Strategic and Enterprise Risk Management Council (SERMC). Through working on this paper, Trisha got to know Lorie and Lianne. She used her knowledge and grew a lot in the knowledge gained from Lorie and Lianne. They divided and conquered, each doing an aspect of the project. [8:43] Lorie says working on the paper was a shared responsibility. They each had a different perspective, coming from different industries, having different roles, and facing different challenges in their organizations. It was fun to learn from each other. [9:30] Developing and Refining Risk Appetite and Tolerance is available through a link in the show notes. Lorie says that risk appetite is the direction your company wants to go and tolerance is the amount of variability around that target that you are willing to accept. Tolerance statements are like guard rails. Lorie explains more about risk appetite. [11:15] Lianne talks about when and how to start developing risk appetite and tolerance. It is discussed in detail in the paper. It depends on the circumstances, your stakeholders, and your leadership team. It can take a lot of input, iterations, and time. Use the guidance of your risk culture and make sure you achieve your objectives as a risk practitioner. [13:04] Lianne says a big part is understanding the culture and the organization. Risk appetite is usually one of the last things an organization addresses because it is hard. Your impact statements can inform your appetite and tolerance statements. [14:53] Lorie says the words of the risk appetite statement need to reflect metrics that are important to your business, in the language of the business, and connect to your business goals so people see why it is important. People need to understand the statements. Keep them fresh as the business evolves and the environment changes. [15:55] Whittling the statements down to one or two sentences can be hard, but it is important. It won't be perfect the first time. See how people translate it into the business. [16:27] It's RIMS plug time! Webinars! On June 6th, Evident ID makes its RIMS Webinars debut with Uncovering Hidden Risks in Your Third-Party Risk Management Program. On June 13th, our friends at Riskonnect return to present Unlocking the Value of Business Continuity and Insurable Risk Management. There are more to be announced for June and July! [16:52] Register at RIMS.org/Webinars. Webinars are complimentary for RIMS members! [16:59] The RIMS ERM Conference 2024 will be held on November 18th and 19th in Boston, Massachusetts. The agenda will be announced soon, as will a call for submissions for the ERM Award of Distinction. I'll have that link up soon on an upcoming episode. [17:17] Review your organization's ERM program, and if you feel it was successful and you have the numbers and the data to back it up, compile that information and get ready to submit your ERM program for the ERM Award of Distinction. [17:32] The Spencer Educational Foundation has the goal of helping build a talent pipeline of risk management and insurance professionals. They achieve that goal in part through a collaboration with risk management and insurance educators across the United States and Canada. This also applies to not-for-profit entities. [17:51] If this description applies to you, you should apply for a Spencer General Grant. The application deadline is July 30th, 2024. General Grant awardees are typically notified at the end of October. [18:07] The Spencer 2024 Funding Their Future Gala will be held on Thursday, September 12th, 2024 at The Cipriani 42nd Street in New York City. Links are in this episode's show notes. [18:43] Dr. Lianne Appelt is featured now on the RIMS-CRMP Stories.  A link is in the show notes. Lianne speaks of common challenges risk professionals face when developing risk appetite and tolerance statements. A lot of the challenges are interdependent. One challenge is where setting a risk appetite statement and developing tolerance ends up being a compliance activity. [19:28] For many, it is a “check-the-box” exercise they don't want to spend a ton of time, effort, or energy thinking about how it can add value to the business. They want to do the bare minimum and move on. That leads to another challenge, the “set-it-and-forget-it” situation. If it sits on a shelf or in a Dropbox folder and nobody looks at it, it doesn't add any value to the program. [20:41] Trisha says some of it is having an unclear value proposition and not relating it to the business or the culture of the organization. People ask, “We're doing fine, there have never been issues, so why do we need this?” The value proposition of appetite and tolerance is that it empowers decision-making throughout the organization. It replaces bureaucracy in decisions. [21:36] Statements of risk appetite and tolerance allow you to allocate resources properly to bump up tolerance when needed. They help the organization to be more agile. They tie ERM to your business's strategic goals and initiatives. [22:43] One of the biggest challenges Lorie faced was asking herself, if you set a tolerance and exceeded the tolerance, did you fail? If you exceeded the appetite, did you fail? It's not failure, it's an opportunity to see it coming, know that you're reaching it, and have a strategy before you get there to change your trajectory, risk appetite statement, or goals. [23:26] Get people on board with the understanding that not hitting the target isn't a failure. As you're developing the program, allow for what to do when you need to make an exception. How does that play into how you report? You want to make it so it's not punitive. You want a culture of people being open about variances. It might be an opportunity to be OK with an exception. [24:32] You don't want to chase the data and adjust your tolerance all the time, but it's OK to look at what your appetite is, as you go forward. [24:47] Lianne says another common challenge is the organization's leadership, board or legal team has decided that they absolutely will not put something on paper in terms of risk appetite. That is fairly common in industries like tech, where there is no mandate for ERM. The risk team has to come to the table and demonstrate that value proposition so the leadership understands. [25:30] If the leadership is adamantly against it, what do you do? That is touched on in the executive report. You can achieve objectives without having a formal risk appetite statement. [25:48] Lorie has not seen leadership resistance, as she is in the financial industry where risk appetite statements and tolerance are required. She addresses falling out of target for tolerance. If you've done it right, you see it coming and have a risk response plan. Lorie shares a financial example where an action plan is triggered and a crisis is prevented. [27:13] Trisha and Lianne presented this at RISKWORLD 2024. It was well-attended with lots of audience participation. They had made a similar presentation at the ERM Conference in Denver. The topic has led to more questions and comments than Trisha has ever had at a speaking event. When they put up the QR code for the paper, lots of phones went up. [28:09] Lianne thought it was fantastic. There were good questions. Lots of people resonated with the challenges Trisha and Lianne presented. Lianne hopes the paper will help guide them on their journeys. If anyone wants to download the paper it is available on the Risk Knowledge page of RIMS.org. Lianne has gotten emailed questions from the session and answered them. [29:30] Lianne was an extra in Wonder Woman 2. Justin was an extra in Find Me Guilty with Vin Diesel, directed by Sidney Lumet. [31:14] Lorie looks first and foremost for curiosity in a new hire for ERM. You need to be curious about the cause and effect of things. You also need good data analytic skills, and acumen for making critical decisions, using deduction, and coming to conclusions. With those skill sets, you can be tremendous at ERM risk management. [31:56] Trisha looks for collaboration. A risk practitioner works with people from all over the organization. She looks for people able to gather and understand people's points of view and meet them where they are, sometimes with persuasiveness. It is important to speak to people at all levels of the organization. ERM is at that strategic level so you'll have to speak with leaders. [32:59] On top of those great qualities, Lianne adds perseverance and flexibility. Especially in tech, there is constant change and evolution. If something doesn't work the first time, you can't give up. You have to be able to maneuver situations creatively and come up with solutions that speak to the culture of the business. That makes you more collaborative and successful in ERM. [33:42] This has been such a fun interview. You wrote a terrific paper, Developing and Refining Risk Appetite and Tolerance. We appreciate all you do for RIMS! On behalf of the organization, thank you very much! [34:11] Special thanks once again to Lorie Graham, Trisha Sqrow, and Dr. Lianne Appelt for joining us here today on RIMScast. They co-authored the new RIMS professional report, Developing and Refining Risk Appetite and Tolerance. It is available through a link on this episode's show notes. We're very grateful to them for all their contributions. [34:33] We hope to see them in some capacity at the RIMS ERM Conference 2024 in Boston, Massachusetts, November 18th and 19th. More details about that conference are on the way. [34:46] It's plug time! The RIMS App is available to RIMS members exclusively. Go to the App Store and download the RIMS App with all sorts of RIMS resources and coverage. It's different from the RIMS Events App. Everyone loves the RIMS App! [35:18] You can sponsor a RIMScast episode for this, our weekly show, or a dedicated episode. Links to sponsored episodes are in our show notes. RIMScast has a global audience of risk and insurance professionals, legal professionals, students, business leaders, C-Suite executives, and more. Let's collaborate! Contact pd@rims.org for more information. [36:01] Become a RIMS member and get access to the tools, thought leadership, and network you need to succeed. Visit RIMS.org/membership or email membershipdept@RIMS.org for more information. [36:19] Risk Knowledge is the RIMS searchable content library that provides relevant information for today's risk professionals. Materials include RIMS executive reports, survey findings, contributed articles, industry research, benchmarking data, and more. [36:35] For the best reporting on the profession of risk management, read Risk Management Magazine at RMMagazine.com. It is written and published by the best minds in risk management. Justin Smulison is the Business Content Manager at RIMS. You can email Justin at Content@RIMS.org. [36:56] Thank you for your continued support and engagement on social media channels! We appreciate all your kind words. Listen every week! Stay safe!   Mentioned in this Episode: RIMS Executive Report: Developing and Refining Risk Appetite and Tolerance RISKWORLD 2025 will be in Chicago! May 4‒7 RIMS DEI Council Spencer Educational Foundation — Grants Page — Apply Through July 30 RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Virtual Workshops RIMS Strategic & Enterprise Risk Center NEW FOR MEMBERS! RIMS Mobile App RIMS Canada 2024 — Submit a session through May 30!   Guests' prior interviews: “ORSA Reporting: It Seems To Be A Hot Topic with Lorie Graham” “Trisha Sqrow Talks ERM in the Air and on the Ground” Dr. Lianne Appelt: RIMS-CRMP Interview   RIMS Webinars: Uncovering Hidden Risks in Your Third-Party Risk Management Program | Sponsored by EVIDENT ID | June 6, 2024 Unlocking the Value of Business Continuity and Insurable Risk Management | Sponsored by Riskonnect | June 13, 2024 RIMS.org/Webinars   Upcoming Virtual Workshops: See the full calendar of RIMS Virtual Workshops RIMS-CRMP Prep Workshops   Related RIMScast Episodes: “Scenario Planning with the RIMS SERMC” “Climate Disclosures with RISKWORLD 2024 Session Leader Jana Utter” “Solving Wicked Problems with Dr. Gav Schneider” “Live From RIMS ERM Conference 2023”   Sponsored RIMScast Episodes: “Accident Prevention — The Winning Formula For Construction and Insurance” | Sponsored by Otoos (New!) “Platinum Protection: Underwriting and Risk Engineering's Role in Protecting Commercial Properties” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Elevating RMIS — The Archer Way” | Sponsored by Archer “Alliant's P&C Outlook For 2024” | Sponsored by Alliant “Why Subrogation is the New Arbitration” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyclone Season: Proactive Preparation for Loss Minimization” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “Subrogation and the Competitive Advantage” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyberrisk Outlook 2023” | Sponsored by Alliant “Chemical Industry: How To Succeed Amid Emerging Risks and a Challenging Market” | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD “Insuring the Future of the Environment” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Insights into the Gig Economy and its Contractors” | Sponsored by Zurich “The Importance of Disaster Planning Relationships” | Sponsored by ServiceMaster   RIMS Publications, Content, and Links: RIMS Membership — Whether you are a new member or need to transition, be a part of the global risk management community! RIMS Virtual Workshops On-Demand Webinars RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Stories — New interview featuring RIMS Treasurer Manny Padilla! Spencer Educational Foundation “Leveraging Insurance and Risk Management to Address Political Risk” — RIMS Executive Report   RIMS Events, Education, and Services: RIMS Risk Maturity Model® RIMS Events App Apple | Google Play   Sponsor RIMScast: Contact sales@rims.org or pd@rims.org for more information.   Want to Learn More? Keep up with the podcast on RIMS.org and listen on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.   Have a question or suggestion? Email: Content@rims.org.   Join the Conversation! Follow @RIMSorg on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.   About our guests: Lorie Graham, Senior VP and Chief Risk Officer at American Agricultural Insurance Company Trisha Sqrow, Vice President at Marsh   Lianne C. Appelt, Sc.D., RIMS-CRMP, Head of Enterprise Risk Management at Salesforce   Tweetables (Edited For Social Media Use): Putting together a risk appetite statement or devising risk tolerance levels or any of the elements described in this paper are some of the hardest things we do as risk professionals. — Dr. Lianne Appelt   Risk appetite is the direction your company wants to go and tolerance is the amount of variability around that target you are willing to accept before you change your strategy. — Lorie Graham   For many, setting a risk appetite statement and developing tolerance is a “check-the-box” exercise they don't want to spend a ton of time, effort, or energy thinking about how it can add value to the business. — Dr. Lianne Appelt   In a new ERM hire, I look for collaborative skills. A risk practitioner works with people from all over the organization. I look for people able to gather and understand people's points of view and meet them where they are, sometimes with persuasiveness. — Trisha Sqrow

Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   Justin Smulison interviews live at RISKWORLD 2024 Tina Cameron, author of the RIMS Executive Report, Leveraging Insurance & Risk Management to Address Political Risk, about her risk management career and the winners of the 2024 Spencer RIMS Risk Management Challenge, the IIRM Hyderabad Vigilant Challengers and their risk management professor, about what it took to win the challenge. They share their vigilant path to victory by learning real-life risk management skills. Listen in for risk management nuggets of wisdom. Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMS and RIMScast. [:15] These interviews were recorded live at RISKWORLD 2024 in San Diego with the author of a RIMS report on political risk and the winners of the 2024 RIMS/Spencer Risk Management Challenge. [:44] First, let's talk about RIMS Virtual Workshops. The full calendar of virtual workshops is at RIMS.org/VirtualWorkshops. On June 11th and 12th, we've got Applying and Integrating ERM. Also on June 11th and 12th, we have Fundamentals of Insurance. On June 18th and 19th, we have Fundamentals of Risk Management. [1:05] On July 9th and 10th, we have Managing Workers' Compensation. On July 23rd and 24th, we have Claims Management. Other dates for Fall and Winter are on the Virtual Workshops full calendar at RIMS.org/VirtualWorkshops. [1:22] Let me tell you about the new dedicated RIMScast episode that just went live, sponsored by Otoos, “Accident Prevention — The Winning Formula For Construction and Insurance”. I interviewed Dana Kfir, the Director of Customer Success at Otoos about how technology can improve safety on construction sites and how companies can use incentives to drive change. [1:52] The link to this dedicated episode is in this episode's show notes. It is complimentary for RIMS members and nonmembers. Go check it out! [2:04] RISKWORLD 2024 was a smashing success, hosting approximately 10,000 attendees. On-site in San Diego, I recorded two more interviews I wanted to share with the global RIMScast audience. I found them so insightful and they captured some of the energy we were experiencing on the exhibit-room floor. [2:31] The first interview was with a fascinating risk professional, Tina C. Cameron. She is the Senior Manager of Global Insurance for World Vision International. Tina also authored a recent RIMS Executive Report titled Leveraging Insurance & Risk Management to Address Political Risk. A link is in the show notes. [2:57] Since Tina travels worldwide, she's an authority on the subject. On Wednesday, May 8th, Tina and I found a Tiki Bar near RIMS HQ and we set up the mic to talk about the Executive Report, her work, and the many risks and challenges a risk professional or business leader must consider before setting up operations abroad. [3:22] I am pleased to share this interview with the global risk management community. Tina Cameron, welcome to RIMScast! [4:00] Tina Cameron is with World Vision International. She started her career with a degree in business finance. She also studied global economics. She got a position as a corporate cash manager. That led to a job of half cash manager, half risk manager. After that, she only took risk manager jobs. She lists the industries she worked in that gave her a broad base of experience. [4:54] Tina got her ERM and qualified for the RIMS Fellow. She also worked in mergers and acquisitions, due diligence, and audit. Tina was very interested in international matters. Her father was a world traveler and adventurer. He slept on the ground in some places. Tina has always been interested in other cultures. She wanted to be in a larger international organization. [6:03] Tina joined World Vision International, an organization in about 100 underdeveloped countries. These countries don't have all the privileges of developed countries. World Vision works to establish relationships with the government and bring humanitarian aid. They deliver humanitarian aid to poor children in the poorest countries in Africa, South America, and Asia. [6:52] World Vision International also does microloans. Tina says one of the most important things is helping girls get into school in countries where girls are not valued as highly as boys and have no access to schools. World Vision helps families get their girls into school. They pay for education and transportation so girls in those countries have an equal opportunity.  [7:43] Tina talks about Leveraging Insurance & Risk Management to Address Political Risk. The main point of the report is to prepare. You cannot go into a country with blindfolds on. You have to prepare your people and understand the country. You have to understand the government and the infrastructure. You need to develop relationships with a good network of support people. [8:46] You have to work with security firms. World Vision International has in-house security because they are in the most dangerous places in the world. Their security team prepares World Vision people to go into a country with strenuous training. A person is not eligible to go into the country without passing security training. [9:04] World Vision employs local nationals and also people from around the world to help. There are a variety of people flying in for operations. Employing local nationals creates goodwill. There are also lots of volunteering opportunities all over the world. The jobs World Vision creates are opportunities for locals to help their communities. [9:48] World Vision International is a Christian organization but they do not proselytize or force Western values on people. They go in with respect for the culture and religion. They go in only to help the locals get to the best circumstances they can with food security, clean water, sanitation, and hygiene. World Vision gives them the skills to be self-sufficient and then leaves them. [11:03] Tina says a lot of firms don't pre-plan for political risk. Then, once in the country, they ask carriers for political risk insurance. In a lot of cases, coverage will be denied to firms that are not known to the carriers. Tina wrote in the executive report the things you can do to get underwriters comfortable with your risk profile. [11:37] Carriers need to get to know you and your operations, and that you understand security. They need to know your travel. Do this ahead of time and also get your various other forms of insurance without country exclusions. The carriers know World Vision International, so they don't get normal exclusions. [12:18] We've been there since the fifties. You can't just jump in and expect to get insurance. It will either be denied or it will be extremely expensive. If you're planning on going into a new country, get with a specialist broker who understands political risk and can guide you through the process. That's when you first begin to understand your risk. Start a year in advance. [13:32] Tina's paper was written for risk managers who roll up their sleeves and put their hands in the dirt. It's necessary to do due diligence on the country. Ask yourself about the power grid, internet service, and what cell phones will work there. Can you dial out of the country? Who controls the water and power? What are the roads like, if any? What about waterways? [14:48] Are there fire stations? Are they all-volunteer? Are your people trained to put out fires? Hire outside security for your commodity warehouses. What's the flooding like? You'll want to be on high ground. We can take a lot from what we've learned here in the U.S. from natural disasters and other places where you've had losses. [16:27] Tina suggests learning the best way to secure roofing so you don't have a roof claim with every hurricane season. [16:45] You have to have a contingent supply chain plan. You may need to airdrop. Look for other suppliers. What are the cyber laws in that country? How do you handle local cash? The top person on the ground needs to have a credit card with a high limit. Emergencies can happen, including needing emergency evacuation. Extracting people requires payment in advance. [18:03] Tina discusses her participation in RISKWORLD, RIMS education, and the International Council. She and Justin give a shoutout to Gayle Jacobs, an SVP at Marsh, who advises World Vision International on political risk. Gayle Jacobs had a session at RISKWORLD 2024. [19:27] Tina, thank you so much for joining us! [19:42] RIMS plug time! Webinars! Our friends from TÜV SÜD GRC will return on May 23rd with Respond to Emerging Risks with this Winning Property Loss Control Formula. On June 6th, Evident ID makes its RIMS Webinars debut with Uncovering Hidden Risks in Your Third-Party Risk Management Program. [20:15] On June 13th, our friends at Riskonnect return to present Unlocking the Value of Business Continuity and Insurable Risk Management. Register at RIMS.org/Webinars. Webinars are complimentary for RIMS members! [20:35] The RIMS ERM Conference 2024 will be held on November 18th and 19th in Boston, Massachusetts. The agenda will be announced soon, as will a call for submissions for the ERM Award of Distinction. I'll have that link soon on an upcoming episode. [20:54] So review your organization's ERM program, and if you feel it was successful and you have the numbers and the data to back it up, compile that information and get ready to submit your ERM program for the ERM Award of Distinction. [21:09] The Spencer Educational Foundation has the goal of helping build a talent pipeline of risk management and insurance professionals. They achieve that goal in part through a collaboration with risk management and insurance educators across the United States and Canada. This also applies to not-for-profit entities. [21:29] If this description applies to you, then you should apply for a Spencer General Grant. The application deadline is July 30th, 2024. General Grant awardees are typically notified at the end of October. [21:49] The Spencer 2024 Funding Their Future Gala will be held on Thursday, September 12th, 2024 at The Cipriani 42nd Street in New York City. Links are in this episode's show notes. [22:01] My next guests flew from India to compete in person at RISKWORLD 2024 for the 2024 Spencer RIMS Risk Management Challenge. They won! The winners were The Institute of Insurance and Risk Management Hyderabad. Their team name was the Vigilant Challengers. [22:17] They won the challenge that began seven months ago with 38 universities dedicating their time and effort to address a risk management case study based on the city of Tukwila, Washington. During RISKWORLD, the field was narrowed to three university teams and those finalists presented one last time in front of the conference attendees and a panel of judges. [22:39] The Vigilant Challengers won and they also won a $10,000 prize, courtesy of RIMS and Spencer. They were led by our good friend Professor Roop Kumar Nagumantri, the university representative. I wasn't going to let them leave for a flight back to India without getting them on the show, live in person! [23:01] Vigilant Challengers of IIRM Hyderabad, welcome to RIMScast! [23:23] Justin met Professor Nagumantri in 2017 or 2018 at RIMS India. Professor Nagumantri has bolstered risk management in India. He is proud of his fantastic team, Vigilant Challengers. They have a lot of energy! It's an extraordinary experience for them. [23:57] Shivya Tuli, Elvis John, and Yagnasritha Mallavajhala introduce themselves and the area of risk management they study at IIRM Hyderabad. Risk management is not yet a popular course in India. Coming to IIRM has been advantageous to each of the Vigilant Challengers participants. Professor Nagumantri tells how he selected the team. There was a test. [26:02] How the IIRM Hyderabad team approached the Tukwila, Washington risk case study. They started by reading the city budgets and risk materials to formulate a buying approach. It took almost three months to read the materials. It took them about six months to prepare their presentation. [27:15] The Vigilant Challengers detail how they made their presentation. It was their first time on an international stage. The judges made them comfortable. At the finals, they were a bit nervous, seeing that the hall was full. Again the judges and audience made them comfortable. It was a wonderful experience. [28:10] The team used slides and technology to help their presentation. They presented like they were selling. They wanted the City of Tukwila to be better, to mitigate risks, and to get over all the risks. Their presentation was a balance of technology and individual explanations. The audience feedback was amazing and gave them a lot of confidence. [29:32] The Vigilant Challengers recommend future challenge participants to back up innovative solutions with real-world examples. The more research you do, the better your report will be. The hard work and late nights helped. The team considered the human element of working with a city. They provided a practical solution that will help the city. [30:40] Thoroughly research the subject and the audience you are addressing to relate and connect with the particular case study. Research and hard work are very important. [31:11] The team members stayed up late and worked on Zoom calls after staying at the college until 8:00 or 9:00 at night. [31:32] Professor Nagumantri says Spencer's Risk Challenge is quite extraordinary. The students began to understand how risk management is to be done. They will be good risk managers because they have seen the application of what they have read in class. They learned to do research and apply the findings to a problem. They will make good CROs. [32:29] Special thanks once again to Tina Cameron and the winning team of the RIMS Spencer 2024 Risk Management Challenge, IIRM Hyderabad Vigilant Challengers. [32:49] A link to Tina Cameron's RIMS paper, Leveraging Insurance & Risk Management to Address Political Risk is in this episode's show notes as is more information about the IIRM Hyderabad Vigilant Challengers and their victory. [33:04] Also check out last week's RIMScast episode for more coverage of RISKWORLD 2024 with some fantastic interviews, live and in person! [33:13] It's plug time! The RIMS App is available to RIMS members exclusively. Go to the Apps Store and download the RIMS App with all sorts of RIMS resources and coverage. It's different from the RIMS Events App. Everyone loves the RIMS App! [33:45] You can sponsor a RIMScast episode for this, our weekly show, or a dedicated episode. Links to sponsored episodes are in our show notes. RIMScast has a global audience of risk and insurance professionals, legal professionals, students, business leaders, C-Suite executives, and more. Let's collaborate! Contact pd@rims.org for more information. [34:29] Become a RIMS member and get access to the tools, thought leadership, and network you need to succeed. Visit RIMS.org/membership or email membershipdept@RIMS.org for more information. [34:46] Risk Knowledge is the RIMS searchable content library that provides relevant information for today's risk professionals. Materials include RIMS executive reports, survey findings, contributed articles, industry research, benchmarking data, and more. [35:02] For the best reporting on the profession of risk management, read Risk Management Magazine at RMMagazine.com. It is written and published by the best minds in risk management. Justin Smulison is the Business Content Manager at RIMS. You can email Justin at Content@RIMS.org. [35:23] Thank you for your continued support and engagement on social media channels! We appreciate all your kind words. Listen every week! Stay safe!   Mentioned in this Episode: RISKWORLD 2025 will be in Chicago! May 4‒7 NEW FOR MEMBERS! RIMS Mobile App RIMS DEI Council Spencer Educational Foundation — Grants Page — Apply Through July 30. Spencer Educational Foundation 2024 Funding Their Future Gala RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Virtual Workshops RIMS ERM Conference 2024 — Nov 18‒19 — Boston, MA — Call For Session Submissions by May 13. RIMS Risk Management Awards Edition 2024 Spencer-RIMS Risk Management Challenge 2025 — IIRM Hyderabad Wins! RIMS Executive Report: Leveraging Insurance & Risk Management to Address Political Risk RISKWORLD 2024 Show Daily — May 6, May 7, May 8   RIMS Webinars: Respond to Emerging Risks with this Winning Property Loss Control Formula | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD GRC | May 23, 2024 Uncovering Hidden Risks in Your Third-Party Risk Management Program | Sponsored by EVIDENT ID | June 6, 2024 Unlocking the Value of Business Continuity and Insurable Risk Management | Sponsored by Riskonnect | June 13, 2024 RIMS.org/Webinars   Upcoming Virtual Workshops: See the full calendar of RIMS Virtual Workshops RIMS-CRMP Prep Workshops   Related RIMScast Episodes: “Live! From RISKWORLD 2024” “RISKWORLD 2024 Keynote Peter Diamandis” “Climate Disclosures with RISKWORLD 2024 Session Leader Jana Utter” “RIMS 2024 Goodell Award Winner Eamonn Cunningham” “RIMS 2024 Rising Star Chelsea Andrusiak”   Sponsored RIMScast Episodes: “Accident Prevention — The Winning Formula For Construction and Insurance” | Sponsored by Otoos (New!) “Platinum Protection: Underwriting and Risk Engineering's Role in Protecting Commercial Properties” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Elevating RMIS — The Archer Way” | Sponsored by Archer “Alliant's P&C Outlook For 2024” | Sponsored by Alliant “Why Subrogation is the New Arbitration” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyclone Season: Proactive Preparation for Loss Minimization” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “Subrogation and the Competitive Advantage” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyberrisk Outlook 2023” | Sponsored by Alliant “Chemical Industry: How To Succeed Amid Emerging Risks and a Challenging Market” | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD “Insuring the Future of the Environment” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Insights into the Gig Economy and its Contractors” | Sponsored by Zurich “The Importance of Disaster Planning Relationships” | Sponsored by ServiceMaster   RIMS Publications, Content, and Links: RIMS Membership — Whether you are a new member or need to transition, be a part of the global risk management community! RIMS Virtual Workshops On-Demand Webinars RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Stories — New interview featuring Manny Padilla! Spencer Educational Foundation “Leveraging Insurance and Risk Management to Address Political Risk” — RIMS Executive Report   RIMS Events, Education, and Services: RIMS Risk Maturity Model® RIMS Events App Apple | Google Play   Sponsor RIMScast: Contact sales@rims.org or pd@rims.org for more information.   Want to Learn More? Keep up with the podcast on RIMS.org and listen on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.   Have a question or suggestion? Email: Content@rims.org.   Join the Conversation! Follow @RIMSorg on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.   About our guests: Tina C. Cameron on LinkedIn Senior Manager, Global Insurance at World Vision International   The winning IIRM Hyderabad team, The Vigilant Challengers! Shivya Tuli, Yagnasritha Mallavajhala, Elvis John, and Institute of Insurance and Risk Management (IIRM) Hyderabad Representative: Kameswara Venkata Roop Kumar Nagumantri Tweetables (Edited For Social Media Use): You cannot go into a country with blindfolds on. You have to prepare your people and understand the country. You have to understand the government and the infrastructure. You need to develop relationships with a good network of support people. — Tina C. Cameron   We've been there since, I think the fifties. So, you can't just jump in and expect to get insurance. It's either going to be denied or it's going to be extremely expensive. — Tina C. Cameron   The 2024 Spencer RIMS Risk Management Challenge was an opportunity where we could explore the city virtually and get to know more about it. — Shivya Tuli   Spencer's Risk Challenge is quite extraordinary. The students began to understand how risk management is to be done. They will be good risk managers because they have seen the application of what they have read in class. — Professor Roop Kumar Nagumantri  

Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   Justin Smulison interviews Oliver Wild, the President of AMRAE, Joan Woodward, Executive Vice President for Public Policy at Travelers, and Chuck Baxter, Executive VP at IPISC, all live at RISKWORLD 2024. First, Oliver discusses AMRAE's 2024 RMIS Panorama. Next, Joan discusses Travelers' 2024 CFO Study. To finish the episode, Chuck discusses World Intellectual Property Day and the importance of IP rights in your organization. There is much to learn from these RIMScast guests. Justin also reveals the location of RISKWORLD 2025. Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMS and RIMScast. [:15] These interviews were recorded live at RISKWORLD 2024 in San Diego, from May 5th through May 8th. [:39] Before we get to the interviews, let's talk about RIMS Virtual Workshops. The full calendar of virtual workshops is at RIMS.org/VirtualWorkshops. On June 11th and 12th, we've got Applying and Integrating ERM. Also on June 11th and 12th, we have Fundamentals of Insurance. On June 18th and 19th, there is Fundamentals of Risk Management. [1:05] On July 9th and 10th, we have Managing Workers' Compensation. On July 23rd and 24th, we have Claims Management. Other dates for Fall and Winter are on the Virtual Workshops full calendar. A link is in this episode's show notes. Listen for more about RIMS events later in the show. [1:30] My first guest is the President of the Association for the Management of Risk and Insurance Enterprise or AMRAE. Their complimentary 2024 RMIS Panorama is now available for download. The last time we saw the folks from AMRAE on RIMScast was in 2019. François Beaume from AMRAE was in the RIMS office and we had a fun, impromptu interview. [2:03] This year, I sat down with the AMRAE 2024 President, Oliver Wild. Oliver is the Chief Risk Officer for Veolia, a company providing water risk management, water reclamation, and water treatment. He was at RISKWORLD 2024, representing AMRAE. We talked about the Panorama, its improved functionality and accessibility, and the trends identified in the Panorama. [2:46] Oliver Wild, welcome to RIMScast! [3:05] Oliver is the President of AMRAE, the French equivalent of RIMS. They have over 1,600 risk manager members. They organized their conference in February 2024 in Deauville, France. There is a link to the event site in this episode's show notes. The last time Justin spoke with someone from AMRAE was in 2019. Justin interviewed François Beaume in the RIMS office. [3:59] The new Panorama is the 17th Edition. Oliver says AMRAE is reaching out to more risk managers with the help of IFRIMA, FERMA, and other risk associations. For this edition, AMRAE got responses from 250 risk managers in 36 countries. It gives an international view of the use of risk management information systems. [4:30] The number of vendors has also increased. It's a very dynamic market. [4:49] AMRAE integrates risk managers' views. There are risk manager testimonials and expert opinions on the market from insurers and brokers. It's a neutral, objective study and very business-focused, reaching into different departments in the organizations. [5:38] You can access the full report. It's free. You can also get direct access to the data with a QR code that gives you dashboards so you can slice and dice the data and get the view you want to see, per country and vendor, and the risk managers' responses. [6:54] It's a growing, dynamic market. More risk managers are implementing risk management information systems. The trend is a single risk management information tool to respond to the needs of many departments. On average in a company, 50 people use that tool to help them report to the board or their executives. [7:47] A critical aspect and key benefit of these data-rich risk management information tools is information sharing, including real-time data. The number one reason risk managers implement this type of tool is for risk mapping. Other benefits are driving your action plans, following up on them, and sharing risk maps with your internal audit. [8:43] A recent trend is to use these systems for risk management and prevention. To a lesser extent, Oliver sees internal control feeding into that. [8:57] Oliver speaks of the popularity of SaaS. The quality of SaaS tools has improved, off the shelf. You can adapt and shape the tool to your needs. Risk managers are very happy with the tools that they have. They are easy to implement and it takes about four months. The average cost for these tools is €100K a year but differs by country. In the U.S., bigger systems cost more. [10:53] The digitalization of the risk management function is critical and you're seeing that in the insurance market as well leading to the big expansion of risk management information tools. [11:10] Oliver shares his view on AI. The GenAI aspect is very new and is developing quickly. It's already in current risk management tools. Oliver mentions “sanity checks” to improve data quality. Risk managers say AI helps them in fraud prevention by looking at financial patterns of fraud. In the insurance market, AI helps analyze policies and scan through prevention reports. [12:11] AI can make the risk manager's life easier and more efficient. You need human eyes to see the analysis and human ears to hear it, but AI gets you on your way. It's a real-time analysis. [12:52] AMRAE organizes an annual event in Normandy and Deauville. It gets about 4,000 people. It's a great event with plenary sessions and around 30 workshops for risk managers. The Panorama is the 17th Edition, but AMRAE produces analysis of other topics year-round, based on the topics of the moment. AMRAE does prospective thinking on future risks. [13:33] There's also a training part with certified training and modules to help risk management face their challenges. Risk management is now at the board level and modules help risk managers get used to talking to C-suites and execs. There is training on the Corporate Sustainability Reporting Directive (CSRD), aimed at the environmental impact of the company. [14:17] In the Risk Management System Panorama, people are using AMRAE training to do their reporting on CSRD. That's one of the areas of focus of the report this year. [14:28] AMRAE does a lot of smaller events in regions in France to reach out to a maximum of the risk management community. AMRAE has six centers across France, hosting events throughout the year. AMRAE is the association of reference for the risk management community in France. Their equivalent of RISKWORLD is called Les Rencontres (The Meetingplace). [15:16] Les Rencontres covers the whole risk ecosystem for all stakeholders, with discussions, cocktails, and dinners. It's fun and a key source of information. It has a big student population. Last year over 300 students attended. The students bring their CVs and talk to the carriers about a job for when they graduate. Les Rencontres is always the first week of February. [16:02] Oliver Wild is also the Chief Risk Officer for Veolia. There are 17 people at the head office and a network of offices around the globe in 58 countries. That's about 90 people in risk and insurance combined. They deal with risk mapping, identification, and prevention. They run captives and insurance programs. The risk managers interact with all the other departments. [16:49] Oliver, it has been such a pleasure to talk with you. You'll come back for another episode, virtually, unless you want to ship me out to France? [17:05] RIMS plug time! Webinars! Our friends from TÜV SÜD GRC will return on May 23rd with Respond to Emerging Risks with this Winning Property Loss Control Formula. On June 6th, Evident ID makes its RIMS Webinars debut with Uncovering Hidden Risks in Your Third-Party Risk Management Program. Some RIMS board members will be there to lend insight, as well. [17:37] On June 13th, our friends at Riskonnect return to present Unlocking the Value of Business Continuity and Insurable Risk Management. All of these sponsors had a wonderful presence at RISKWORLD on the showroom floor and we sincerely appreciate our partnerships with them. Register at RIMS.org/Webinars. Webinars are complimentary for RIMS members! [18:12] Our next guest is the President of Travelers Institute and Executive Vice President for Public Policy at Travelers, Joan Woodward. Joan led a session at RISKWORLD, From Forecast to Forefront: New Research on the CFO's Strategic Mindset. At that same time, Travelers released its special report, 2024 CFO Study. A lot of the session info was based on this brand-new report. [18:44] I caught up with Joan right afterward. We extended the dialog from her session and explored some of the details from the 2024 CFO Study. Joan Woodward, welcome to RIMScast! [19:11] Travelers decided this year to survey over 600 CFOs and Heads of Finance at large companies with 500 or more employees across a mix of industries to get their views on topics from core responsibilities and corporate strategy to the macroeconomic concerns on the minds of CFOs. CFOs are key decision-makers in selecting the right solutions. [20:10] CFOs rely on risk managers in the company. They wear multiple hats. Travelers wanted to know what keeps them up at night, how they deal with complex risks, and whom they turn to to help them manage that risk. [20:40] A lot of major companies have their enterprise risk management teams report to the CFO. A lot of companies have a risk committee on their board of directors. Overseeing risk management is probably one of the most difficult things a CEO has to worry about. Risk management and the CFO go hand-in-hand to advise the board and their CEO. [21:24] The Travelers study uncovered four key themes; one is the expanding role of CFOs with internal and external constituencies in risk management and overseeing that function to ensure the business is resilient against any type of risk.  [22:01] Risks change all the time, so this is an evolving landscape. Twenty years ago, we weren't talking about cybersecurity insurance or cybersecurity risk. Risks are evolving; the CFOs' jobs are evolving with that. [22:15] Other concerns in the report are workforce post-pandemic challenges around finding and retaining talent, the cost of labor, macroeconomic conditions, supply chain, and geopolitical risk. Joah's office is the airport; she works all over the country. She has traveled for the last 25 years of her career but thinks there's value to the corporate culture in the office. [23:20] Travelers has a three-day-a-week in-the-office policy; some are there four or five days. Some prefer to be home for two work days, or on the road with their jobs. Employers need to be flexible and make adjustments as needed. The labor shortage has shifted the leverage toward the employees, rather than the employers. [24:13] Employers need to adjust for the employee demographics coming on board. Their expectations about the workforce are different than the expectations of Baby Boomers of thirty years ago, Employers have realized this and become more flexible. Employee engagement is the name of the game. You don't want people jumping ship for a raise at a competitor. [24:46] In the report, 88% of the CFOs surveyed are very confident that their company has taken necessary strategic steps to remain resilient. A lot of them believe the 2024/2025 economic outlook is pretty strong. Inflation is subsiding. Interest rates have come down. CFOs are comfortable with their risk management strategies. [25:28] Joan thinks the insurance industry, brokers, and agents have something to do with that confidence. There's a lot of expertise in the agent and broker communities and it's great that businesses have tapped into them. Agents, brokers, and carriers have seen it all with their claims data. [23:53] The 2024 CFO Study, A Travelers Special Report is available through a link in this episode's show notes. The TravelersInstitute.org has a plethora of information on their webinars and podcasts. [26:12] Justin and Joan are both strong users of LinkedIn. Joan wasn't an early adopter but joined about five years ago. She finds it to be a great tool for business growth and career development. She loves mentoring young people and putting out thought leadership. She's all in on LinkedIn. [26:42] Joan, it has been such a pleasure to meet you. I look forward to seeing you at RISKWORLD 2025. [26:53] A RIMS reminder! The links to the RIMS RISKWORLD Show Daily are in this episode's show notes. If you couldn't attend RISKWORLD, or if you did attend and want to relive some of the highlights of RISKWORLD 2024, check out the links in the show notes! Coverage of the general sessions, keynotes, and more can be found on the digital pages of the Show Daily. [27:25] My friends Joe and Chante from our marketing and design team always do a fabulous job with the layout, art, and distribution to all of you! A big shoutout to our good friend Joe Zwielich, also of RIMS, who was taking photos constantly while we were on site. He did a marvelous job. [27:48] On April 26th, the world celebrated World Intellectual Property Day, which is led by the World Intellectual Property Organization. With so much digitization and viral videos in the world, IP is a big risk for a lot of organizations. To learn more about this risk I reached out to one of my favorite members of the RIMS Greater Bluegrass Chapter, Chuck Baxter. [28:24] Chuck is the Executive Vice President of IPISC, Intellectual Property Insurance Services Corporation. They handle patent insurance. I thought it would be great fun to catch up with him. World IP Day has passed, but the risks have not. Let's learn what's ahead. Chuck Baxter, welcome to RIMScast! [28:54] Chuck has been attending RISKWORLD for eight or nine years. It's an important event for IPISC. IPISC specializes in insurance for intellectual property risks. IPISC has been insuring intellectual property risks exclusively for over 30 years. Intellectual Property is in everything. It's everywhere. It's in all kinds of business transactions. [29:55] It could be a copyright for something you created, or a name for your product or service, or an innovation protected by a patent. You might not recognize your copyright, or you may be at risk of being accused of infringing on a copyright or patent unknown to you. All risk professionals need to know the risks. [30:31] World Intellectual Property Day is important everywhere. Everyone has IP issues. Different countries protect it in different ways. The World Intellectual Property Organization promotes World IP Day to raise awareness that IP rights are important and should be protected. [30:52] They are the incentives for creators that provide rewards for the risks people take when they are doing something new. Those rewards in the form of IP rights can create value for a company. [31:10] If somebody comes after you for what you are doing, the freedom to operate within your market is crucial. Being accused of infringing on somebody else's IP rights can be devastating to a small-to-midsized company that can't sustain the multi-million dollar cost of fighting the case. Chuck sees a lot of suits, especially among competitors trying to shut down a new player. [31:47] Forward-thinking businesses obtain IP insurance before bad things happen. Risk professionals need to know that everyone should be thinking about this and putting IP insurance in place before they need it, like any insurance. It is essential. When a small company thinks ahead and has this protection, they're not simply squashed like a bug by a larger company. [32:43] The smaller company may have the better position. Chuck shares a case study of a small company's patent case that went to the Supreme Court. The company was under a legal cloud until they prevailed. [33:33] January 1st is Public Domain Day in the U.S. for workers over a certain age. The Winnie the Pooh copyright expired so horror movies are coming out with Winnie the Pooh. IP rights last for a set number of years, not forever. [34:45] It's not the idea that can be copyrighted but the expression of the idea. IPISC says overprotecting intellectual property is as harmful as underprotecting it. Creativity is impossible without a rich public domain. [35:26] Successful companies like the Disney Company built many of their franchises on public domain characters. Some Disney characters, like the original Mickey Mouse in Steamboat Wilie, are now in the public domain. [37:15] Chuck addresses IP for music. Copyright affixes the moment you put something into a tangible medium and digital recordings count. The most popular owners of copyrights in music are exposed to copying but you don't know who will be the most popular. [38:38] Popular works are exposed to claims of infringement by other creators if they can prove the creator of the popular work had access to the original work. Two independent creators may create the same thing without infringing. If one heard the other first, they may have copied it and be liable. You can do it for the love of it, but if you get some success, you've got exposure. [39:33] Chuck, it's been a real pleasure to speak with you on RIMScast. Thank you for coming to RISKWORLD 2024. [39:46] Special thanks again to my guests, Oliver Wild from AMRAE, Joan Woodward from Travelers, and Chuck Baxter from IPISC! Links to their LinkedIn profiles are in this episode's show notes. The reports that we reference are linked in this episode's show notes. [40:06] I had a great time hanging out with them and many of you at RISKWORLD 2024. Shoutout to the RIMS events team for outdoing themselves yet again! We'll see you in Chicago in 2025! [40:22] It's plug time! The RIMS App is available to RIMS members exclusively. Go to the Apps Store and download the RIMS App with all sorts of RIMS resources and coverage. It's different from the RIMS Events App. Everybody loves the RIMS App! [40:55] You can sponsor a RIMScast episode for this, our weekly show, or a dedicated episode. Links to sponsored episodes are in our show notes. 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Follow @RIMSorg on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.   About our guests: Oliver Wild: President of the Association for the Management of Risk and Insurance of Enterprise (AMRAE), Group Chief Risk and Insurance Officer at Veolia   Joan Woodward is Executive Vice President of Public Policy for Travelers and President of The Travelers Institute Joan's LinkedIn: Joan Woodward   Chuck Baxter, Esq., Executive Vice President and General Counsel, IP ISC Chuck Baxter's LinkedIn: Chuck Baxter Tweetables (Edited For Social Media Use): One of the critical aspects of these risk management information tools, and one of the key benefits, is all about information sharing. — Oliver Wild   The quality of SaaS tools has improved, right off the shelf. You can adapt and shape the tool to your needs. Risk managers are very happy with the tools that they have. They are easy to implement. — Oliver Wild   CFOs are key decision-makers in selecting the right solutions. CFOs rely on risk managers in the company. — Joan Woodward   A lot of companies have a risk committee on their board of directors. Overseeing risk management is probably one of the most difficult things a CEO has to worry about. — Joan Woodward   Intellectual Property is in everything. It's everywhere. It's in all kinds of business transactions, whether somebody has created something new and has a copyright in it, they have a name for their product or service, or they have innovation that they protect through patents. — Chuck Baxter   You can do music for the love of it, but you have to recognize that if you get some success, you've got exposure. — Chuck Baxter  

Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   Justin Smulison interviews RIMS Risk Manager of the Year 2024, Steve Robles, Los Angeles County. They discuss how his career progress how he negotiated a position to have a direct report to the County CEO and Board of Supervisors, as an Assistant CEO over Risk Management, and why he feels it was necessary to have a direct report with the strategic decision-maker. Steve tells of the importance of sharing knowledge with a network and how he built his coworkers to be his succession to be ready when he left. Finally, he leaves you with his advice for building your career upon your passion. Listen for wise risk management philosophy. Key Takeaways:y [:01] About RIMS and RIMScast. [:14] RISKWORLD 2024 is the yv w now in San Diego, from May 5th through May 8th. Use the RIMS Events App to organize your sessions, meetings, and other fun and educational experiences at RISKWORLD. [:30] About today's episode of RIMScast. This is a fantastic episode! I will be joined by RIMS Risk Manager of the Year 2024, Steve Robles. There's so much to discuss with him! [:56] There's a good chance that you are listening to this episode while you are with us in sunny San Diego, California during RISKWORLD 2024. Let's start with May 6th. In the morning on the Main Stage at 8:00 a.m., we have an Opening Keynote from Peter Diamandis. [1:14] At noon, PST, we've got the Main Stage Leadership Keynote, An Afternoon with Marlee Matlin, Academy Award-winning actress, director, and activist. The Spencer RIMS Risk Management Challenge Final Round will be held in Ballroom 6A at 1:15 p.m. [1:34] On the morning of Tuesday, May 7th we've got the Spencer 5K Fun Run, sponsored by Sedgwick. That event will be held at 200 Marina Park Way. At 8:00 a.m., we have our Industry Breakfast Keynote from Evan Greenberg, the Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Chubb Limited and Chubb Group. [1:54] On Wednesday, May 8th, at 3:00 p.m., on the Main Stage, our Conference Finale and Closing Keynote will be delivered by entrepreneur, author, TV personality, and Shark, Daymond John. Each day there will be sessions at the DE&I Studio, the Global Studio, the Innovation Hub, the Thought Leader Theater, and the Wellness Center, in addition to the breakout session rooms. [2:21] Check out the full itinerary at RIMS.org/RISKWORLD, and the RIMS Events App. If you have any questions or want to pick up some wonderful RIMS swag, check us out at RIMS HQ. [2:39] The RIMS Risk Manager of the Year program aims to raise the profile of the risk management profession and the outstanding programs the honorees have implemented within their organizations. The program was initiated in 1977 and the Risk Management Honor Roll was added in 1981. [2:56] The 2024 RIMS Risk Manager of the Year is Steven Robles. Steve was recognized for his work as the Assistant CEO for the County of Los Angeles. He's featured in the special Awards Edition of RIMS Risk Management magazine. On Wednesday, May 8th, at 2:10 p.m., Steve and I will be at the Global Studio to extend this dialog. [3:21] Right now, we're going to have a lot of fun! We're going to talk about highlights of the past year and his career and what it means to be Assistant CEO for a major county in the United States of America. RIMS Risk Manager of the Year 2024, Steven Robles, welcome to RIMSCast! [3:56] Steve is excited to be a guest on RIMScast! Steve says it's extremely humbling to be RIMS 2024 Risk Manager of the Year. He has spent his entire career in risk management and to be honored like this is just an amazing feeling. It's wonderful to know all the people who have helped him in his career; Steve shares his award with them. We cannot do our jobs by ourselves. [4:56] The Awards edition of Risk Management magazine has a wonderful article by Justin that details Steve's career, especially the last couple of years and his work at LA County. The article's link is in this episode's show notes. [5:30] Steve was with San Bernardino County for almost 23 years; it was a lot of fun. He started his risk management career as a safety officer there. He worked with the Sheriff's department to ensure they were safe when they raided drug labs. He worked with all kinds of wonderful professionals. That's what got him hooked. [6:41] The department Steve worked in at San Bernardino County was the Risk Management Department. From Safety, Steve progressed to Workers' Comp, Liability, Insurance, Indemnification, Contracts, and Finance. As he built his skill set and supervisory experience, he realized he could run the department. After 10 years, his goal was to head the department. [8:58] Justin points out a great takeaway for the audience: Build your skill set, build your network, and when the time is right, present yourself for promotion. [9:33] Steve's friends told him not to take the job at LA County. Steve likes to organize and he saw there was disorder to organize. In his home, he likes to do tile work. He saw the opportunity to do some good for a place that was a good fit for him. Steve loves LA County. It was a major seven-day-a-week commitment. He got his family to buy into it. Fortunately, his kids were grown. [12:40] RIMS plug time! For RIMS Virtual Workshops, visit RIMS.org/virtualworkshops to see the full calendar. Virtual workshops are in session, beginning in June, starting with Leveraging Data and Analytics for Continuous Risk Management. That's a three-part course that begins on June 6th. We've got Fundamentals of Insurance on June 11th and 12th. [13:03] We've got Fundamentals of Risk Management on June 18th and 19th and we've got Captives as an Alternate Risk Financing Technique on June 26th and 27th. More information about these workshops and others is on the RIMS Virtual Workshops page and a link is in this episode's show notes. [13:20] If you attend RISKWORLD, be sure to download the RIMS Events App. This is different from the RIMS App which is available only to members. The RIMS Events App will help you keep sessions organized, take notes, communicate with other attendees, and a whole lot of other great features because there's so much happening. This is a great way to stay on schedule. [13:58] Back to the interview! Steve describes the extremely extensive interview process for the position at LA County. The panel and questions were pretty standard about Steve's experience and philosophy on building a risk management program. Once he made the first cut, he had to interview with each elected official on the Board of Supervisors and their Chief of Staff. [14:52] There were five Supervisors. He spent about two hours with each of them, over a week. After they approved him, he sat with the CEO. He wanted to have a direct report to the CEO. They met for about two hours. By the time he started his first day, it felt like he had worked a week. [16:06] Steve says the CEO was great. Steve learned from the CEO during the interview that he had worked with Steve's mom in a previous job and she had trained him on a lot of things in personnel! Steve said getting to know the board members and the CEO on a human level helped him a lot. Steve told his mom and she said, “Oh I know him, tell him, Hi!” [17:34] Justin recalls when he got an internship at a major television network because his grandmother knew the mother of the marketing director. Leverage every family connection you can! Steve's wife also has a family connection with one of the Board Supervisors and he name-dropped her as well. [18:13] Steve is easy to get along with. He tells how that helped him to bring people along to where he wanted to go on a program or initiative. He knew he needed other people on board. He started by building a story. Risk managers need to be good storytellers. Use humor to put people at ease and allow them to share their true thoughts. A better idea may come up in discussion. [19:40] Steve calls this conversation controlled chaos. [20:17] Steve made privacy and cyber a top concern. These concerns went hand-in-hand. One of the issues at Los Angeles County was that their technology was extremely disjointed. Seven computer systems housed seven different data sets to administer risk management and the county council program. [20:49] None of the systems communicated with each other but all systems had the same type of personal data and connected through the internet. That made seven different exposures. Steven developed a comprehensive system to consolidate the seven systems. Steven paid attention to the cyber aspects and privacy aspects of managing how the data got out. [21:34] This was in 2013. Offices involved were the CEO, Health System, Jail System, Social Services System, and other county systems, which had the same challenges. Their first milestone was when they had a breach! It helped to have something occur so Steven could build from the chaos. It was a wake-up call. [22:48] The breach springboarded the county departments to collaborate in their efforts to control cyber. Steven tells why the breach didn't threaten his job. He always says, “I don't know what's going to happen but I know we need to be prepared for something happening. And this is how we prepare for these types of things.” [24:13] That means we need to have an emergency communication policy with collaboration on handling disasters. We need to prepare for what we don't know yet. As emerging risks came up, Steve brought them up. He brought up cyber and privacy long before there was a data breach. There was an emphasis on how they would respond to it. Steve also brought up AI years ago. [24:49] Steve doesn't know yet how AI is going to be a risk to us, but it's going to be a risk and we need to prepare for it. [24:58] One more RIMS Plug break! Webinars! Our friends from TÜV SÜD GRC will return on May 23rd with Respond to Emerging Risks with a Winning Property Loss Control Formula. On June 6th, Evident ID makes its RIMS Webinar debut with Uncovering Hidden Risks in Your Third-Party Risk Management Program. [25:32] On June 13th, our friends at Riskonnect return to present Unlocking the Value of Business Continuity and Insurable Risk Management. That's a great line-up for the next couple of months! Register at RIMS.org/Webinars. Registration is complimentary for RIMS members! [25:51] The RIMS ERM Conference 2024 will be held on November 18th and 19th in Boston, Massachusetts. RIMS continues to present the best conference agenda by featuring the most engaged and knowledgeable risk professionals leading the discussions. [26:07] RIMS wants to hear from you. Submit your session today. We've extended the deadline! A link is in this episode's show notes. The best submissions will address current and future issues facing ERM practitioners and provide takeaways for an audience of risk professionals, business leaders, students, governmental officers, legal professionals, and more. [26:29] You must keep it relevant to ERM and Strategic Enterprise Risk Management. Remember, product sales pitches are not acceptable nor appropriate as part of the RIMS ERM Conference Education Program. [26:50] Back to the interview with RIMS Risk Manager of the Year 2024, Steve Robles! Cyber and privacy kind of define the challenges of Los Angeles County because it's so big. The size of the organization is the challenge. There are 100K employees and a county budget of $46 billion. All that money is being spent somewhere. When money is being spent, a risk is associated with it. [27:36] The risk could be where to invest the money without losing it, to the costs of deploying staff. When you see analytics pointing to some future risks, how do you get the channel open to communicate it to the right people and get their buy-in to deploy risk prevention tactics? [28:38] Steve connected to his risk professional counterparts in other counties. He would call his counterparts in Orange County, San Diego, Riverside, San Bernadino, San Francisco, and other counties around. “Have you seen this trend?” or “I think we've got fraud here, what do you guys think and what have you done about it?” They would share information on many topics.  [29:17] If it was in LA County, either other counties saw it first or they were trying to find out how LA County dealt with it. Steve would tap into his network of public sector risk professionals that went back to San Bernadino and the subject matter experts the county employed. He has known them for decades. They learned at the same time with different views of the same experience. [30:19] It broadens you to meet with other risk managers who came up through different paths and have different viewpoints that enrich you if you take in that information so you can make good executive decisions. [31:05] Steve had the greatest of all worlds at LA County because he had a great direct reporting relationship with the CEO and Board of Supervisors. He sees that other public sector entities do not have the same relationship between the risk managers and the CEOs. They report to a lower-level manager or human resources. [31:38] Risk management should be a strategic partnership for the direction of the organization and the person you report to should have a direct influence on how that strategy moves forward. [32:21] Steve's former coworkers were his succession. Every year in LA County, Steve brought his staff together to help put together the strategic initiative. It brought them together as a team and they enriched each others' knowledge base. As time progressed, many of them became qualified in all aspects of risk management. Steve was planning his succession from Day 1. [33:26] Now, LA County has an interim risk manager, Destiny Castro, who was Steve's operations manager. What Steve told Destiny is “You can do this job. What you'll be surprised by is how fast things come at you. They come at you fast and there's not really a day off! You're the decision-maker.” On May 8th, at 2:10 p.m., please go over to the Global Studio and check out RIMScast Live for a special session with RIMS Risk Manager of the Year 2024, Steve Robles. Steve received the award for his fantastic work with LA County. We will discuss his career and we will give all of you a chance to ask him anything that's on your mind. [34:40] Steve has participated in a lot of the events of the RIMS LA Chapter. It's not just public entities there; it's rewarding to see so many perspectives represented by private entities. Steve feels relaxed there with his clan who share his experiences. There are good side discussions that go on with the vendors as well as the members. [35:50] Steve has spoken at some universities that have either established or up-and-coming risk and safety programs they are trying to expand. The students are fantastic and have great questions. Steve explains that risk management is not insurance; it's exciting. Anything bad you see in the news, you're a part of it! [37:28] Steve's advice for the next generation of risk managers: “Have a clear career path. Find your passion; what you're passionate about is where you should go. There are so many different directions you can go in risk management. My passion was organizing the mess; I wanted a position where I could put those pieces together. But there's so much more you can do.” [38:02] “If you like contracts or if you like dealing with the human aspect of it you can go into claims. You take your personality and understand yourself and then find something that fosters that in your risk management career.” [38:41] Steve says to enjoy yourself. Look at challenges as a game, as a chess match. Something is happening on the right side of the board and you need to position yourself to corner that risk, person, or whatever. It calms you down so you can think clearly about the steps that are going to be needed to win that game. [39:28] Steve, I want to congratulate you again on being named RIMS Risk Manager of the Year 2024. Do you have your speech prepared? (Steve is ready!) We're going to see you onstage on the morning of May 6th and spread the love! [39:58] Special thanks again to RIMS Risk Manager of the Year 2024 Steve Robles for joining us. Steve and I will lead a RIMScast Live session on Wednesday, May 8th at 2:10 p.m. in the Global Studio during RISKWORLD. Come and ask the Risk Manager of the Year your burning question! A link to the RIMS Risk Management Magazine Awards Edition is in this episode's show notes. [40:25] Registered attendees for RISKWORLD should use the RIMS Events App. That will get you where you need to go when you're at RISKWORLD. [40:32] RIMS Plug Time again! Go to the App Store and download the RIMS App. This is an exclusive members-only benefit with all sorts of RIMS resources and coverage. It's different from the RIMS Events App. Everybody loves the RIMS App! [41:05] You can sponsor a RIMScast episode for this, our weekly show, or a dedicated episode. Links to sponsored episodes are in our show notes. RIMScast has a global audience of risk and insurance professionals, legal professionals, students, business leaders, C-Suite executives, and more. Let's collaborate! Contact pd@rims.org for more information. [41:48] Become a RIMS member and get access to the tools, thought leadership, and network you need to succeed. Visit RIMS.org/membership or email membershipdept@RIMS.org for more information. [42:06] Risk Knowledge is the RIMS searchable content library that provides relevant information for today's risk professionals. Materials include RIMS executive reports, survey findings, contributed articles, industry research, benchmarking data, and more. [42:22] For the best reporting on the profession of risk management, read Risk Management Magazine at RMMagazine.com. It is written and published by the best minds in risk management. Justin Smulison is the Business Content Manager at RIMS. You can email Justin at Content@RIMS.org. [42:43] Thank you for your continued support and engagement on social media channels! We appreciate all your kind words. Listen every week! Stay safe!   Mentioned in this Episode: RISKWORLD 2024 — San Diego, CA | May 5–8, 2024 — Visit the Global Studio May 8 at 2:10 pm PST for RIMScast Live! with Steven Robles and Justin Smulison RISKWORLD Pre-Conference Workshops RISKWORLD Speakers NEW FOR MEMBERS! RIMS Mobile App RIMS DEI Council Spencer Educational Foundation — Grants Page RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Virtual Workshops RIMS ERM Conference 2024 — Nov 18-19 — Boston, MA — Call For Session Submissions by May 13. 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It's wonderful to know all the people who have helped me in my career; I really am sharing this with everybody. — Steve Robles   We cannot do our jobs by ourselves. — Steve Robles   Risk managers need to be good storytellers. — Steve Robles   Risk management should be a strategic partnership for the direction of the organization and the person you report to should have a direct influence on how that strategy moves forward. — Steve Robles

Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   Justin Smulison interviews returning guest Jana Utter. Jana is the 2022 Risk Management Honor Roll inductee and a former RIMS SERMC Chair. Jana remains active on RIMS committees. On May 6 at 2:45 pm, she will co-host a RISKWORLD session, Sustainability Reporting: Making ERM Transparent: Environmental, Social and Governance in ROOM 25AB. The SEC is in the news with final and proposed Climate Disclosure Rules announced. Jana shares her knowledge, experience, and risk philosophy, a cluster of acronyms, and why ERM needs to connect more fully with ESG. Jana will be co-hosting a session on the ESG track with Bob Wirth at RISKWORLD 2024. Listen in to learn more about emerging ESG risk reporting and disclosure. Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMS and RIMScast. [:14] Public registration for RISKWORLD 2024 is now open. Explore infinite opportunities with RIMS from May 5th through May 8th, 2024, in San Diego, California. Register at RIMS.org/RISKWORLD. [:31] About today's episode of RIMScast. My friend Jana Utter returns to discuss ERM, ESG, and the new Climate Reporting Disclosures; the SEC, the CSRD, and more. We've got a lot of acronyms today! [1:01] As you know, RISKWORLD 2024 is coming up from May 5th through May 8th, 2024, in sunny San Diego, California. Registration is open at RIMS.org/RISKWORLD. Register today! There's a link in this episode's show notes. [1:22] In Episode 276 of RIMScast we had opening keynote Peter Diamandis join us. Check out that episode for just a taste of what's in store for RISKWORLD 2024. The full roster of keynotes has been announced! I'm so excited! We will be welcoming Academy Award-winning actress, director, and activist, Marlee Matlin! [1:46] For our industry keynote, we will be rejoined by Evan G. Greenberg, the Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Chubb Limited and Chubb Group. That session will be sponsored by Chubb. Just announced, our closing keynote on May 8th will be Daymond G. John. You know him from Shark Tank. He's also the Founder of FUBU. I'm a big fan! [2:10] I'm extremely excited about that closing keynote on May 8th! Experience all the energies of our keynotes at RISKWORLD! Register at RIMS.org/RISKWORLD. We want to see you there! [2:24] Today's guest is one of my favorites. She is Jana Utter, the Vice President of Enterprise Risk Management at Centene Corporation. In 2022, RIMS named her to the Risk Management Honor Roll. She is the former chair of the RIMS Strategic and Enterprise Risk Management  Council. Jana is knowledgeable about ERM and ESG. [2:50] Since there were new SEC Climate Disclosure Rules announced, I wanted Jana to come back on the show and fill us in on what we need to know. This dialogue will dovetail with her upcoming RISKWORLD session on May 6th at 2:45 p.m. in Room AB25, Sustainability Reporting, Making ERM Transparent. It is part of the ESG track. She'll be co-presenting with Bob Hirth. [3:25] Jana Utter, welcome back to RIMScast! Jana was the 2022 RIMS Risk Management Honor Roll Inductee. Jana and Justin go back quite a few years. This is her third time as a RIMScast guest. Jana was the chair of the RIMS Strategic and Enterprise Risk Management Council. She misses it a bit but has moved on to other RIMS volunteer activities. [4:10] Jana is here to discuss the SEC Climate Disclosures in the news. The U.S. SEC proposed final rules for Sustainability Reporting Standards. Also, the EU Corporate Standard Reporting Directive (CSRD) is making headlines. [5:02] Jana thinks it is important as risk professionals to think of sustainability in the same way that we think about enterprise risk management. They are both important. Jana speaks of the 2017 COSO ERM Update, Integrating Strategy with Performance. [5:29] That COSO document says that ERM helps enhance performance by more closely linking strategy and business objectives to risk. ERM affects value strategy and is linked to the business. The COSO framework also discusses how ERM leads to better decision-making. [5:48] The International Sustainability Standards Board (ISSB) says sustainability factors are becoming part of mainstream investment decision-making. Companies are called upon to provide high-quality global comparable information on sustainability reported risks and opportunities. [6:28] As ERM professionals, we are trying to identify risks to help protect the value and future ongoing business concerns of the company. Sustainability reporting is trying to do the same thing, protect the long-term value of the company. To Jana, that seems to be a natural fit. [7:00] Justin and Jana agree that the data should support the story-telling of the organization or the risk professional. Sustainability reporting is a big part of that data, just as financial statements are. [7:17] Sustainability reporting disclosures publish additional information by a company to inform stakeholders, including investors, business partners, employees, and customers. Jana thinks about it the same way as about financial statement information, which caters to the same stakeholder audience. [8:14] Jana notes it's important to know which of the different reporting directives for sustainability reporting standards apply to your company in the jurisdictions or geographies in which your company operates. Global sustainability disclosures are not 100% consistent. In the U.S., some states have additional expectations for ESG reporting above the SEC rules. [10:10] ESG is showing up in commercials. Jana finds that interesting as her friends and family still don't know what the acronym ESG means. It's appearing in the mainstream, with DEI. [11:31] Jana says that a lot of people who are responsible for enterprise risk management, including her industry peers, are not also responsible for sustainability reporting and disclosures. How can risk professionals get connected to the sustainability reporting team? [12:23] Jana recommends risk professionals use the RACI matrix: Who's Responsible? Who's Accountable? Who's Consulted? And Who's Informed? If you're not in this matrix, ask to join it as a consultant. She lists ways to contribute by connecting to different areas of the company. [13:56] It's important to know where your company operates. U.S. companies with no operations outside the U.S. may be able to follow the IFRS SASB Sustainable Accounting Standards and the SEC Climate Disclosure rules and other SEC-related rules that cover sustainability, as well as any state rules. [14:59] If you're U.S.-based with any operations in Europe, you're going to want to monitor CSRD and make sure you understand and follow that protocol. That should cover you for the majority of any sustainability risks in the U.S. [15:42] Jana's go-tos are the International Financial Reporting Standards (IFRS), International Sustainability Standards Board (ISSB), and Sustainability Accounting Standards Board (SASB). ISSB includes the Taskforce on Climate-Related Financial Disclosure (TCFD). TCFD and CDP (formerly Carbon Disclosure Project) are closely aligned. [16:46] Jana repeats, pay attention to the IFRS and what they do. IFRS is geared to the investor community. Also watch the Global Reporting Initiative (GRI), which is focused on social and environmental impact reporting. [17:46] SASB is the Sustainability Accounting Standards Board. Justin invites you to look for these acronym links in the show notes. [18:06] RIMS plug time! You can sign up now for RISKWORLD pre-conference workshops. They will all be held on May 4th and 5th at the San Diego Convention Center. The link is in this episode's show notes. [18:19] The topics include but are not limited to Applying and Integrating ERM, Fundamentals of Insurance, and a RIMS-CRMP Exam Prep Workshop. Go to RIMS.org/RISKWORLD, go to Learn, and then Workshops and you'll find them there. [18:35] RIMS Virtual Workshops: Visit RIMS.org/virtualworkshops to see the full calendar. Virtual workshops are in session, beginning in June, starting with Leveraging Data and Analytics for Continuous Risk Management. That's a three-part course that begins on June 6th. We've got Fundamentals of Insurance on June 11th and 12th. [18:55] We've got Fundamentals of Risk Management on June 18th and 19th and we've got Captives as an Alternate Risk Financing Technique on June 26th and 27th. More information about these workshops and others is on the RIMS Virtual Workshops page and a link is in this episode's show notes. [19:13] If you attend RISKWORLD, be sure to download the RIMS Events App. This is different from the RIMS App, available only to members. The RIMS Events App will help you keep sessions organized, take notes, communicate with other attendees, and a whole lot of other great features because there's so much happening. This is a great way to stay on schedule. [19:38] On May 8th, at 2:10 p.m., please go over to the Global Studio and check out RIMScast Live for a special session with RIMS Risk Manager of the Year 2024, Steve Robles. Steve received the award for his fantastic work with LA County. We will discuss his career and we will give all of you a chance to ask him anything that's on your mind. [20:03] Steve's a great guest. We've already  recorded next week's episode together. In a clip from the episode, Steve says his risk group at LA County was responsible for about 100K county employees. He didn't know all their names, but if he knew their name, that was probably a bad thing! Be sure to tune in to RIMScast next week for more podcasting gold! [20:35] Steve was a lot of fun and our session at the Global Studio on May 8th at 2:10 p.m. is going to be a blast! Be there! [20:43] Webinars: On April 30th, to close out Supply Chain Integrity Month, we welcome Moody's, who will present Resilience in Turbulent Times: Navigating Geopolitical Challenges in Supply Chains. Our friends from TÜV SÜD GRC will return on May 23rd with Respond to Emerging Risks with a Winning Property Loss Control Formula. [21:08] On June 6th, Evident ID makes its RIMS Webinar debut with Uncovering Hidden Risks in Your Third-Party Risk Management Program. On June 13th, our friends at Riskonnect return to present Unlocking the Value of Business Continuity and Insurable Risk Management. That's a great line-up for the next couple of months! [21:30] Visit RIMS.org/Webinars to learn more about these webinars and to register! Links are in the show notes. Webinar registration is complimentary for RIMS members. [21:38] The RIMS ERM Conference 2024 will be held on November 18th and 19th in Boston, Massachusetts. RIMS continues to present the best conference agenda by featuring the most engaged and knowledgeable risk professionals leading the discussions. [21:53] RIMS wants to hear from you. Submit your session by Friday, May 3rd. A link is in this episode's show notes. The best submissions will address current and future issues facing ERM practitioners and provide takeaways for an audience of risk professionals, business leaders, students, governmental officers, legal professionals, and more. [24:15] You must keep it relevant to ERM and Strategic Enterprise Risk Management. Remember, product sales pitches are not acceptable nor appropriate as part of the RIMS ERM Conference Education Program. [22:46] Jana Utter has a session at RISKWORLD on May 6th at 2:45 p.m. with Bob Hirth, called Sustainability Reporting: Making ERM Transparent. It's part of the ESG track. It will be in Room 25AB. Jana is excited about the session. There are a lot of great sessions that run concurrently, but everybody should head over to Room 25AB on May 6th at 2:45 to hear more from Jana! [23:35] Risk professionals are supposed to have a line of communication to the C-suite and the enterprise to take these announcements seriously. Jana says a risk professional has to treat sustainability reporting and disclosures like any other risk. An emerging risk can sometimes bubble up to become a noticed risk. [24:42] Jana tells of her experience in reporting what ERM saw as up-and-coming emerging risks, capturing ESG and sustainability-related risks, and reporting disclosure expectations bubbling up in emerging risks. It eventually gets the attention when the time is right. [25:40] Keep any emerging risk in the reporting to the extent possible. When the time is right, it will become important, not only to the ERM professional but to others where you've been trying to raise the flag. Risk professionals, make a note! [26:19] Jana says Scope 3 Emissions are pretty complex. It is comprised of 15 categories. Scope 1 is a company's use of natural gas. Scope 2 is its use of electricity. They're more straightforward. [27:16] The focus of Scope 3 is supply chain emissions. Most enterprise risk management professionals may not know or have had any reason to focus on how many suppliers their company has. It can be thousands or tens of thousands. It's challenging. [27:54] The Greenhouse Gas Protocol and other authoritative sources have ways to categorize types of vendors and use categorizations as a way to calculate emissions. It's still very complex and much more subjective. [28:30] To get the quality of reporting you need for financial statements, with external auditor reviews and having the same level of controls and tightness on the calculations, Scope 3 becomes quite complex. [28:56] Justin reads from the U.S. EPA guidance on Scope 3: “The result of activities from assets not owned or controlled by the reporting organization but that the organization indirectly affects in its value chain.” Scope 3 emissions include up-chain and down-chain. A risk professional has a lot of work to do dealing with Scope 3 emissions. [29:37] Jana mentions that a challenge around Scope 3 is double counting. A manufacturer uses a third party to deliver goods to a retailer. Both the manufacturer and the retailer count the third party for emissions. Communication has to occur between the manufacturer and its retailers. So Scope 3 emissions reporting is not required now. [31:04] Jana talks about possible consequences of the failure of an enterprise to comply with the rule. It will probably be similar to any other failure to report accurately. You'll get a letter with a deadline to comply. There could be levels of penalties. It could be the same as not filing your financial statements on time. Jana suggests you check with your legal counsel. [33:10] Another trend Jana sees is the rise of Artificial Intelligence. It's on everybody's mind. There are sessions at RISKWORLD on the upside and downside risks and benefits of AI. AI has the ability to bring together a lot of information for the ERM practitioner. It still needs human interaction to determine what those results might mean and play out for your company. [34:32] Jana would not limit the research to what the AI brought back for a data set. AI can't replace the human experience and reasoning ability. [35:05] Another topic Jana sees, as we get to 2025, people are looking to the end of the decade from a risk perspective, taking a little longer-term view than normal for risk professionals, looking past current and emerging risk and thinking ahead. How are the risks of today going to progress to 2030? Justin invites Jana to come back in 2030 for a look back! [36:32] Justin describes how he has eased into using AI for simple things. [37:17] On May 6, at 2:45 p.m. in Room 25AB, Jana will co-host a RISKWORLD session, Sustainability Reporting: Making ERM Transparent: Environmental, Social and Governance. It may be one of the last times we see Bob Hirth speaking in a session with Jana. Bob has quasi-retired. They will reminisce a bit about what came true and what did not. [38:57] Jana and Bob will take questions if there is time at the end and maybe during the session. Check out Sustainability Reporting: Making ERM Transparent. This is going to affect your organization! [39:22] Jana, it has been such a pleasure to reconnect with you! We always find your insights very enlightening. We'll have you back before 2030! Let's set a date after we wrap and a date for 2030! Thank you, Jana! [39:42] Special thanks again to Jana Utter for joining us here on RIMScast. She's one of our favorites and she will be one of yours, too, when you see her live at RISKWORLD, on May 6th at 2:45 p.m. in Room 25AB for Sustainability Reporting: Making ERM Transparent! Registered attendees should use the RIMS Events App to get you where you need to go at RISKWORLD. [40:08] Go to the App Store and download the RIMS App. This is an exclusive members-only benefit with all sorts of RIMS resources and coverage. It's different from the RIMS Events App. Everybody loves the RIMS App! [40:40] You can sponsor a RIMScast episode for this, our weekly show, or a dedicated episode. Links to sponsored episodes are in our show notes. RIMScast has a global audience of risk and insurance professionals, legal professionals, students, business leaders, C-Suite executives, and more. Let's collaborate! Contact pd@rims.org for more information. [41:25] Become a RIMS member and get access to the tools, thought leadership, and network you need to succeed. Visit RIMS.org/membership or email membershipdept@RIMS.org for more information. [41:43] Risk Knowledge is the RIMS searchable content library that provides relevant information for today's risk professionals. Materials include RIMS executive reports, survey findings, contributed articles, industry research, benchmarking data, and more. [41:59] For the best reporting on the profession of risk management, read Risk Management Magazine at RMMagazine.com. It is written and published by the best minds in risk management. Justin Smulison is the Business Content Manager at RIMS. You can email Justin at Content@RIMS.org. [42:20] Thank you for your continued support and engagement on social media channels! We appreciate all your kind words. Listen every week! Stay safe!   Mentioned in this Episode: RISKWORLD 2024 — San Diego, CA | May 5–8, 2024 RISKWORLD Pre-Conference Workshops RISKWORLD Speakers NEW FOR MEMBERS! RIMS Mobile App RIMS DEI Council Spencer Educational Foundation — Grants Page RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Virtual Workshops RIMS ERM Conference 2024 — Nov 18-19 — Boston, MA — Call For Session Submissions by May 3. RIMS Risk Management Awards Edition 2024 Spencer-RIMS Risk Management Challenge — Live at RISKWORLD SEC Climate Disclosures — March 2024 announcement (On March 6, 2024, the SEC issued a final rule different from the proposed rule.)   RIMS Webinars: Resilience In Turbulent Times: Navigating Geopolitical Challenges in Supply Chains | Sponsored by Moody's | April 30, 2024 Respond to Emerging Risks with this Winning Property Loss Control Formula | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD GRC| May 23, 2024 Uncovering Hidden Risks in Your Third-Party Risk Management Program | Sponsored by EVIDENT ID | June 6, 2024 Unlocking the Value of Business Continuity and Insurable Risk Management | Sponsored by Riskonnect | June 13, 2024 RIMS.org/Webinars   Upcoming Virtual Workshops: See the full calendar of RIMS Virtual Workshops RIMS-CRMP Prep Workshops   Related RIMScast Episodes: “ERM, ESG, and More Acronyms with Jana Utter” (2022) “Scenario Planning in 2024 with the RIMS SERMC” “RISKWORLD 2024 Keynote Peter Diamandis” “Harnessing Innovation's Promise with ERM Conference 2023 Keynote Bob Roitblat” “Live From RIMS ERM Conference 2023” “All Roads Lead to ERM” “ERM's Value Proposition with Chris Mandel” Sponsored RIMScast Episodes: “Platinum Protection: Underwriting and risk engineering's role in protecting commercial properties” | Sponsored by AXA XL (New!) “Elevating RMIS — The Archer Way” | Sponsored by Archer “Alliant's P&C Outlook For 2024” | Sponsored by Alliant “Why Subrogation is the New Arbitration” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyclone Season: Proactive Preparation for Loss Minimization” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “Subrogation and the Competitive Advantage” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyberrisk Outlook 2023” | Sponsored by Alliant “Chemical Industry: How To Succeed Amid Emerging Risks and a Challenging Market” | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD “Insuring the Future of the Environment” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Insights into the Gig Economy and its Contractors” | Sponsored by Zurich “The Importance of Disaster Planning Relationships” | Sponsored by ServiceMaster   RIMS Publications, Content, and Links: RIMS Membership — Whether you are a new member or need to transition, be a part of the global risk management community! RIMS Virtual Workshops On-Demand Webinars RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Stories — New interview featuring Manny Padilla! Spencer Educational Foundation “Leveraging Insurance and Risk Management to Address Political Risk” — RIMS Executive Report   RIMS Events, Education, and Services: RIMS Risk Maturity Model® RIMS Events App Apple | Google Play   Sponsor RIMScast: Contact sales@rims.org or pd@rims.org for more information.   Want to Learn More? Keep up with the podcast on RIMS.org and listen on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.   Have a question or suggestion? Email: Content@rims.org.   Join the Conversation! Follow @RIMSorg on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.   About our guest: Jana Utter: Vice President, Enterprise Risk Management, Centene Corporation Tweetables (Edited For Social Media Use): It's important as risk professionals to think of sustainability in the same way we think about enterprise risk management. We think about ERM as being important. Then sustainability is also important. — Jana Utter   There's a lot out there and you can get overwhelmed by trying to meet the requirements or expectations of all of them. — Jana Utter   In reporting disclosure expectations bubbling up in emerging risks, it eventually gets the attention when the time is right. — Jana Utter   As we get to 2025, I'm seeing a lot of looking to the end of the decade, from a risk perspective, taking a little longer-term view than we normally do as risk professionals, coupling current and emerging and what may be new on the horizon, thinking ahead to 2030. — Jana Utter

Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   Justin Smulison interviews Eamonn Cunningham about his career in risk management for a large shopping mall developer based in Australia and about his work as Founder and President of the RIMS Australasia Chapter. Eamonn shares experiences, philosophy, and practical career advice. He describes the natural diversity of Australia and how it is an advantage in risk management. Eamonn is passionate about the importance of relationships. He stresses that networking builds relationships. Eamonn recalls how he would convert risk management skeptics in the construction industry. He reveals a secret of breaking the glass ceiling into the room where big decisions are made and he stresses how critical it is to speak the language and jargon of your audience, especially when presenting to executives. Eamonn will be presented the Goodell Lifetime Achievement Award at RISKWORLD 2024. Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMS and RIMScast. [:14] Public registration for RISKWORLD 2024 is now open. Explore infinite opportunities with RIMS from May 5th through May 8th, 2024, in San Diego, California. Register at RIMS.org/RISKWORLD. [:31] About today's episode of RIMScast. My guest is RIMS 2024 Goodell Award Winner Eamonn Cunningham. You know him as the Founder and President of the RIMS Australasia Chapter. He had a wonderful career at Westfield and we're going to talk all about it today. [1:01] As you know, RISKWORLD 2024 is coming up from May 5th through May 8th, 2024, in sunny San Diego, California. Registration is open at RIMS.org/RISKWORLD. Register today! There's a link in this episode's show notes. [1:22] In Episode 276 of RIMScast we had opening keynote Peter Diamandis join us. Check out that episode for just a taste of what's in store for RISKWORLD 2024. The full roster of keynotes has been announced! I'm so excited! We will be welcoming Academy Award-winning actress, director, and activist, Marlee Matlin! [1:46] For our industry keynote, we will be rejoined by Evan G. Greenberg, the Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Chubb Limited and Chubb Group. That session will be sponsored by Chubb. Just announced, our closing keynote on May 8th will be Daymond G. John. You know him from Shark Tank. He's also the Founder of FUBU. I'm a big fan! [2:10] I'm extremely excited about that closing keynote on May 8th! Experience all the energies of our keynotes at RISKWORLD! Register at RIMS.org/RISKWORLD. We want to see you there! [2:24] Named in honor of RIMS's first president, the Harry and Dorothy Goodell Award pays tribute to an individual who has furthered the goals of the society and the risk management discipline through outstanding service and achievement. The RIMS 2024 Goodell Award recipient is Eamonn Cunningham. [2:44] Many of you know him directly or by reputation. He launched the RIMS Australasia Chapter and had a wonderful career at Westfield, which develops malls and commercial properties worldwide. There's a wonderful feature about him and his work in the Awards edition of RIMS Risk Management Magazine. A link is in this episode's show notes. [3:08] Justin and Eamonn have met but this is the first time they have connected in depth. Eamonn is a wonderful interviewee. He imparts a lot of wisdom in this interview for risk practitioners at all stages of their careers. After meeting him virtually or in person, you become a fan of Eamonn Cunningham. Listen for Happy Days references! [3:37] RIMS 2024 Harry Goodell Award winner Eamonn Cunningham, welcome to RIMScast! [4:11] Eamonn Cunningham will be receiving the Goodell Lifetime Achievement Award at RISKWORLD 2024. Eamonn says he is unbelievably honored to be receiving this very prestigious award! He has been told to limit a speech to two and a half minutes. He has his speech down to 2:29! [5:11] There's a great article featuring Eamonn Cunningham and his career in the Awards Edition of RIMS Risk Management Magazine. Today, we'll expand upon that article and talk about some of the things that there wasn't space for in the article. [5:32] Once Eamonn gave up being an accountant, he migrated to the wonderful industry of risk management. He ended up at Westfield shopping malls. He especially enjoyed the retail aspect of the real estate industry. There is a lot more to risk than buying insurance. He was able to show the benefit of risk management early at Westfield. [6:28] Eamonn helped develop malls of 100 retail stores and more. There was a total property value of about $7 billion. They were complex, diverse projects. There was a lot of fun and lots of challenges. Eamonn enjoyed meeting people who were not initially converts to risk management. He called them his hard cases. [7:46] Eamonn made it his endeavor to shine the light. He was fortunate even in the tougher cases to get them to say they got it. Development and construction people were his hardest cases. They thought they knew more than Eamonn about risk management. He had to show them how his token involvement could help them a little bit. [8:45] The help, which was offered free of charge, sparked interest, and “away we went”! [8:59] In some cases, senior management of a company questioned why they were spending a fortune on insurance as the only way to manage risk. Is there a better way? They learned that risk management was the better way, going from operational risk management to enterprise risk management. That was Eamonn's career at Westfield. [10:15] Eamonn notes that accepting diversity in all respects is important. Almost all of Australia's growth has come from immigration from many different cultures, ethnicities, religions, and practices. It is easy to embrace diversity in Australia and to see it as an advantage. It's part of the Australian spirit. [11:54] Eamonn believes the basic risk management framework philosophy is the same the world over. Its implementation varies from country to country. The Australian culture is open and direct. They get to the heart of the matter quickly. Get the risk, figure out how to manage it, and bring it back quickly within the risk appetite. [12:55] The members of AC/DC are not on Eamonn's contact list. Justin thinks of AC.DC and Midnight Oil when he thinks of Australia. Eamonn notes that the lead singer of Midnight Oil, Peter Garrett, was also a politician. [14:05] Eamonn is passionate about the importance of relationships in the profession and with underwriters. You don't just focus on the upcoming renewal. Smart risk managers will have an eye on the renewal for the following year and the year after. This is especially true in the real estate industry, where everything is considered long-term. [14:59] The management of the insurance program is long-term. As a risk manager, you create and nurture relationships with market participants. These relationships need to be on a win-win basis or there is likely to be a parting of the ways sooner rather than later. Eamonn saw his job as removing volatility from the risk team of the organization. [15:37] Eamonn saw some risk managers who prefer to be bottom-feeders, going for the cheapest price every year. Eamonn told them that way of working is doomed to failure. It will create volatility. The senior people at the organization do not expect volatility from the risk manager. [16:12] Eamonn owes a lot of his risk management success to the choices he made in partnering with industry peers. Two-way relationships have both give and take. Professional relationships are like personal ones. The more you nurture them and respect them, the more rewarding they will be to you. [17:03] RIMS plug time! You can sign up now for RISKWORLD pre-conference workshops. They will all be held on May 4th and 5th at the San Diego Convention Center. The link is in this episode's show notes. [17:16] The topics include but are not limited to Applying and Integrating ERM, Fundamentals of Insurance, and a RIMS-CRMP Exam Prep Workshop. Go to RIMS.org/RISKWORLD, go to Learn, and then Workshops and you'll find them there. [17:31] RIMS Virtual Workshops: Visit RIMS.org/virtualworkshops to see the full calendar. Virtual workshops are in session, beginning in June, starting with Leveraging Data and Analytics for Continuous Risk Management. That's a three-part course that begins on June 6th. We've got Fundamentals of Insurance on June 11th and 12th. [17:52] We've got Fundamentals of Risk Management on June 18th and 19th and we've got Captives as an Alternate Risk Financing Technique on June 26th and 27th. More information about these workshops and others is on the RIMS Virtual Workshops page and a link is in this episode's show notes. [18:10] RIMS Webinars: Archer makes its RIMS Webinars debut on April 23rd at 11:00 a.m. Eastern. The session is titled Advancing RMIS: Strategies for Modern Risk Management. [18:27] On April 30th, to close out Supply Chain Integrity Month, we welcome Moody's, who will present Resilience in Turbulent Times: Navigating Geopolitical Challenges in Supply Chains. Our friends from TÜV SÜD GRC will return on May 23rd. [18:43] On June 6th, Evident ID makes its RIMS Webinar debut with Uncovering Hidden Risks in Your Third-Party Risk Management Program. On June 13th, our friends at Riskonnect return to present Unlocking the Value of Business Continuity and Insurable Risk Management. That's a great line-up for the next couple of months! [19:05] Visit RIMS.org/Webinars to learn more about these webinars and to register! Links are in the show notes. Webinar registration is complimentary for RIMS members. [19:12] The RIMS ERM Conference 2024 will be held on November 18th and 19th in Boston, Massachusetts. RIMS continues to present the best conference agenda by featuring the most engaged and knowledgeable risk professionals leading the discussions. [19:28] RIMS wants to hear from you. Submit your session by Friday, May 3rd. A link is in this episode's show notes. The best submissions will address current and future issues facing ERM practitioners and provide takeaways for an audience of risk professionals, business leaders, students, governmental officers, legal professionals, and more. [19:49] You must keep it relevant to ERM and Strategic Enterprise Risk Management. Remember, product sales pitches are not acceptable nor appropriate as part of the RIMS ERM Conference Education Program. [20:11] How can risk managers break the glass ceiling? Always choose your words carefully. You must be perceived as credible and relevant. Make sure you know your business like the back of your hand. You must be tenacious. Don't automatically take “no” for an answer. If you must accept “no,” make sure there is a valid reason for it.  [21:20] Eamonn stresses that you need to sharpen soft skills, particularly oral skills. Always consider yourself as having the capability to do more for the business. Push that point whenever possible. You must get into the room where the big decisions are made. [22:12] Eamonn believes risk professionals have an enormous advantage in that they have one thing in common with the CEO. They are responsible for the entire business, not just a part of it. They need to know how the entire business operates. [22:58] The most successful CEOs surround themselves with great people. As a risk manager, surround yourself with great people who operate in other parts of the business. Get them in sync with the risk-aware way of doing business. You'll have a person promoting your case to the business. As a result, you will get noticed. [23:51] Justin and Eamonn discuss ISO frameworks for ERM. Do your intel on your audience. Don't be technical unless they are asking for the technical. Use jargon they understand and want to hear. Don't place yourself in an ivory tower or preach from a pulpit. Be in the business and use the lexicon of the business. Watch the body language. [25:58] Do necessary reconnaissance before making a presentation or board reporting as a risk manager. At Westfield, Eamonn had the job of inducting future non-executive directors into their management routine. While inducting them, he learned their interests and stored that information for future use in presentations. [27:58] Eamonn co-created the RIMS Australasia Chapter. Risk managers were meeting informally, but they wanted a formal structure, so they looked for an association and found RIMS. They ran analysis and intel and put a case to the CEO at the time. She accepted their position. [25:54] Ten or 12 of Australia's largest companies signed on and threw in seed capital. Eight or nine months later, at RIMS LA 2013, Eamonn got the banner for the chapter. [28:24] As part of that structure with RIMS, there are a lot of resources on the table and it creates opportunities to network. That's manna from heaven when it comes to risk managers whose CEO tells them to do more. [28:50] The RIMS Australasia Chapter started with approximately eight members. Now there are 60 to 70 formal members, with followers on LinkedIn numbering about 450. [29:23] After Eamonn got the banner in 2013, he set up his succession plan. There is a capable Vice President in the wings, Katie Sexton, who, subject to the vote of members, will become President next year. Katie was on the February 6th Episode of RIMScast. [30:57] Eamonn's advice to new risk professionals: “Pick your industry, it doesn't matter what industry, and embrace yourself, track your career. You're going to deviate all over the place. Upscale constantly, never stop learning and knowing more about the business. You can't do it all on your own.” [31:40] Eamonn believes the term risk manager is a misnomer. The risk manager is the conductor of the risk management framework with a multitude of people in the field and home offices around the world. You can't do it on your own and you need to be good at getting the message out to your disciples. [32:27] Eamonn has retired from Westfield. Now he stays alive mentally by keeping active. He will take a backseat in the chapter, and stay until the rest of the board tells him it's time to go. [33:36] Eamonn sees heat maps as risk and opportunity perspective maps. [33:55] It has been such a pleasure to have a chance to spend this time with you! I'm going to see you in San Diego, just before you accept your award. I want to thank you for all you've done for RIMS over the years, as well! [34:24] Special thanks again to Eamonn Cunningham for joining us here on RIMScast. He will accept the Goodell Award on May 6th at RISKWORLD 2024. Learn more about his career in the Awards Edition of RIMS Risk Management Magazine, available now and through a link in these show notes. A link to the Australasia Chapter is there as well. [34:49] Go to the App Store and download the RIMS App. This is an exclusive members-only benefit with all sorts of RIMS resources and coverage. Everybody loves the RIMS App! [35:14] You can sponsor a RIMScast episode for this, our weekly show, or a dedicated episode. Links to sponsored episodes are in our show notes. RIMScast has a global audience of risk professionals, legal professionals, students, business leaders, C-Suite executives, and more. Let's collaborate! Contact pd@rims.org for more information. [35:55] Become a RIMS member and get access to the tools, thought leadership, and network you need to succeed. Visit RIMS.org/membership or email membershipdept@RIMS.org for more information. [36:12] Risk Knowledge is the RIMS searchable content library that provides relevant information for today's risk professionals. Materials include RIMS executive reports, survey findings, contributed articles, industry research, benchmarking data, and more. [36:27] For the best reporting on the profession of risk management, read Risk Management Magazine at RMMagazine.com. It is written and published by the best minds in risk management. Justin Smulison is the Business Content Manager at RIMS. You can email Justin at Content@RIMS.org. [36:47] Thank you for your continued support and engagement on social media channels! We appreciate all your kind words. Listen every week! Stay safe!   Mentioned in this Episode: RISKWORLD 2024 — San Diego, CA | May 5–8, 2024 RISKWORLD Pre-Conference Workshops RISKWORLD Speakers Spencer-RIMS Risk Management Challenge — Live at RISKWORLD NEW FOR MEMBERS! RIMS Mobile App RIMS DEI Council Spencer Educational Foundation — Grants Page RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Virtual Workshops RIMS ERM Conference 2024 — Nov 18-19 — Boston, MA — Call For Session Submissions by May 3. RIMS Risk Management Awards Edition 2024 RIMS Australasia Chapter   RIMS Webinars: Advancing RMIS: Strategies for Risk Management | Sponsored by Archer | April 23, 2024 Resilience In Turbulent Times: Navigating Geopolitical Challenges in Supply Chains | Sponsored by Moody's | April 30, 2024 Uncovering Hidden Risks in Your Third-Party Risk Management Program | Sponsored by EVIDENT ID | June 6, 2024 Unlocking the Value of Business Continuity and Insurable Risk Management | Sponsored by Riskonnect | June 13, 2024 RIMS.org/Webinars   Upcoming Virtual Workshops: See the full calendar of RIMS Virtual Workshops RIMS-CRMP Prep Workshops   Related RIMScast Episodes: “RISKWORLD 2024 Keynote Peter Diamandis” “RIMS 2024 Rising Star Chelsea Andrusiak” “Bridging The Workers' Comp Talent Gap with Nikki Jackson” “Global Perspectives with RIMS Mexico, Australasia Chapter Leaders” Sponsored RIMScast Episodes: “Elevating RMIS – The Archer Way” | Sponsored by Archer (New!) “Alliant's P&C Outlook For 2024” | Sponsored by Alliant “Why Subrogation is the New Arbitration” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyclone Season: Proactive Preparation for Loss Minimization” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “Subrogation and the Competitive Advantage” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyberrisk Outlook 2023” | Sponsored by Alliant “Chemical Industry: How To Succeed Amid Emerging Risks and a Challenging Market” | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD “Insuring the Future of the Environment” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Insights into the Gig Economy and its Contractors” | Sponsored by Zurich “The Importance of Disaster Planning Relationships” | Sponsored by ServiceMaster   RIMS Publications, Content, and Links: RIMS Membership — Whether you are a new member or need to transition, be a part of the global risk management community! RIMS Virtual Workshops On-Demand Webinars RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Stories — New interview featuring RIMS Treasurer Manny Padilla! Spencer Educational Foundation “Leveraging Insurance and Risk Management to Address Political Risk” — RIMS Executive Report   RIMS Events, Education, and Services: RIMS Risk Maturity Model® RIMS Events App Apple | Google Play   Sponsor RIMScast: Contact sales@rims.org or pd@rims.org for more information.   Want to Learn More? Keep up with the podcast on RIMS.org and listen on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.   Have a question or suggestion? Email: Content@rims.org.   Join the Conversation! Follow @RIMSorg on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.   About our guest: Eamonn Cunnigham: Outgoing President, RIMS Australasia Chapter Tweetables (Edited For Social Media Use): I'm just unbelievably honored by the prospect of standing up there on stage and receiving this very prestigious award. I've been told to limit a speech to two and a half minutes. I've done all the work and I've nailed it at 2:29! — Eamonn Cunningham   I felt that there was a lot more to risk than just simply buying insurance and of course, with all of the casualty incidents, you can so easily show the benefit of risk management, which I was able to do very early on in Westfield. — Eamonn Cunningham   I found that I really enjoyed meeting people who were not converts, at least initially, to risk management, and I used to call them my hard cases. — Eamonn Cunningham   Risk professionals have an enormous advantage in that they have one thing in common with the CEO. They are responsible for the entire business, not just a part, just like the CEO. They need to know how the entire business operates. — Eamonn Cunningham  

Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   Justin interviews Katherine Henry, Partner and Chair of the Policyholder Coverage Practice of Bradley, Arant, Boult, and Cummings in today's episode. Katherine will be one of the presenters in the January 4th RIMS webinar, Nevada's “Defense Within The Limits” Ban Explored. Justin and Katherine explore the risk trends of 2023 and what she expects from 2024. Next, they cover the upcoming webinar on Nevada's new liability insurance “Defense Within The Limits” ban, what the effects of the ban are, and how the ban is expected to spread to other states. Katherine concludes with how she and her co-presenter at the webinar, Mark Habersack, expect to elaborate on this topic.   Listen in for a professional perspective on risk trends for 2024.   Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMScast. [:14] Public registration for RISKWORLD 2024 is now open. Explore infinite opportunities with RIMS from May 5th through May 8th, 2024, in San Diego, California. Register at RIMS.org/riskworld. [:31] In today's episode, we will be rejoined by our good friend, Katherine Henry, of the law firm Bradley, Arant, Boult, and Cummings, to discuss legal trends from 2023 and what risk managers should expect in 2024. [:58] The RIMS-CRMP is the only competency-based risk management credential. That matters because earning the certification shows employers and recruiters that you have the skills necessary to manage risk and create value for your organization. [1:14] Several Exam Prep virtual workshops are coming up, starting on December 13th and 14th with former RIMS president, Chris Mandel. On January 13th, 20th, and 27th, 2024, the RIMS-CRMP Exam Virtual Workshop will be presented in conjunction with Conrad Clark Nigeria. [1:37] The RIMS-CRMP-FED Exam Prep Virtual Workshop will be held on January 30th and February 1st. That's a two-day course. Visit the certification page on RIMS.org for more information. A link is on this episode's show notes. [1:54] RIMS is gearing up for awards season. At RISKWORLD 2024, we will honor individuals, organizations, and chapters for their outstanding achievements in risk management. If you know someone who is truly making an impact on the risk profession and paving the way for future generations, consider drafting a nomination! [2:13] The deadline to submit award nominations is Friday, January 5th, 2024. A link to the awards applications and guidelines page is in this episode's show notes. Go to RIMS.org's About Us page and see the awards link there. Nominations for Risk Manager of the Year have closed but other awards might appeal to you or a friend. [2:41] Katherine Henry is the Partner and Chair of the Policyholder Coverage Practice at Bradley, Arent, Boult, and Cummings, a national law firm. Katherine and I will discuss the trends that drove the legal and risk professions in 2023, what to expect in 2024, and Nevada's Defense Within the Limits ban that may set a precedent for other U.S. states. [3:12] Katherine is one of the two presenters of an upcoming RIMS webinar called Nevada's “Defense Within The Limits” Ban Explored, on January 4th, 2024 at 1:00 p.m. It will be presented by the RIMS Public Policy Committee. Register now, especially if you're a RIMS member! This is going to be a big deal for you! [3:37] Katherine Henry, welcome back to RIMScast! [4:25] Katherine says risk managers have been really busy in 2023. She thinks first of cyber risk and cyber insurance. Insurers are getting their hands around it and premiums have escalated. Risk managers are finding they have to bring in IT and other folks to answer the much more complex questions on cyber. The cost of breaches has gone up. [5:40] Katherine discusses recent big hacks. One of the biggest risks lies with your vendors. Insurers are looking at that when setting your premiums. [6:19] Another big problem in 2023 is supply chain. It has become more difficult to insure it. It is difficult to procure business interruption insurance. Many insurers have left this market. Risk managers deal with this by eliminating sole sourcing and JIT warehousing. You have to have more goods and more local warehouse space available. [7:55] AI is the next big risk on Katherine's mind. The National Association of Insurance Commissioners (NAIC) has been looking at AI for quite a few years and its impact on insurance. Insurers have implemented AI chat boxes in personal lines. For risk managers, the question is what are we going to see in commercial lines? [8:41] Insurers may be able to use AI to assess damages better and to move more quickly. Risk managers will be dealing more with computerized platforms than individuals in the underwriting process. That's a few years away. Because AI is being integrated into so many platforms, it's a liability insurance risk for organizations. [9:55] Climate change is another major concern Katherine has. We see its impacts on agriculture in what you can grow and where you can grow it. The effect on sea levels in ports is a concern. It will affect living conditions around the world. It will continue to be a high-level concern for risk managers. [10:42] Katherine brings up the wars as another big concern for risk managers. Events have been canceled because of protest risk. We don't know the eventual impact of the Israel and Hamas conflict. Russia has agricultural and oil risks. There is the risk of war with China and Taiwan. [11:29] Swine flu and pneumonia are concerns now. There are respiratory illnesses among children in China. Illnesses and protests present physical risks. [12:41] RIMS plug time! RIMS Virtual Workshops: Visit RIMS.org/virtualworkshops to see the full calendar. On January 16th and 17th, 2024, our friend and former RIMS president Chris Mandel will lead a two-day course, Captives as an Alternate Risk Financing Technique. [13:02] On January 23rd and 24th, our friend Gail Kyomura will return to host Fundamentals of Insurance. Information about these workshops and others is on the RIMS Virtual Workshops page. Check it out and register! [13:18] On December 12th, Prepare Yourself for the New Generation of Risk with Riskonnect. On December 14th, Aon will be Addressing Today's Risks While Preparing for the Risks of Tomorrow. On January 4th, RIMS's Public Policy Committee will explore Nevada's “Defense Within The Limits” Ban. That's why Kathy Henry joins us today. [13:44] On January 16th, RIMS will present How Risk Managers Can Combat Human Trafficking In 2024. I'll be hosting that session and will be joined by three expert panelists. I'm really looking forward to delivering this session and reaching you all. [14:00] Visit RIMS.org/Webinars to learn more about these webinars and to register! Links are in the show notes. Webinar registration is complimentary for RIMS members. [14:38] It's difficult for organizations to take a political stand. People come at them from both sides. They are also challenged when they don't take a position. It's hard for organizations to know the right position to take. That's an organizational risk. You can't please all the people all the time. [15:38] Runaway or out-of-control verdicts are a risk when you take a case to a jury. Something that should be resolved for $1 million or two could be a $40 million liability. Insurers are aware of this. Katherine warns risk managers to give notice to their tower of excess insurance when a risk comes up that could be subject to a “nuclear” verdict. [16:48] Justin brings up nuclear verdicts in connection with recent PFAS settlements. RIMS did a webinar about it a month ago. Very high settlements open the door for future litigation or actions. Justin reads from Reuters on November 26th about a U.S. appeals court ruling protecting 3M and other companies in PFAS litigation from a class action. [19:11] Katherine Henry will be co-hosting a webinar on January 4th, Nevada's “Defense Within The Limits” Ban Explored. Katherine Henry and Mark Habersack are going to explore this ban. [19:33] Katherine gives a high-level overview of the ban. There are two types of liability policies. One includes a defense that is outside the limits; other policies put the cost of defense inside the policy limits. A $5 million policy within the limits provides $5 million to pay defense and damages. [20:11] The Nevada legislature wrote a new law that every liability policy in Nevada must include defense outside of limits, so insurers have an unlimited obligation to defend you until the case is resolved. The Webinar will talk about what caused that to happen in Nevada, what the potential solutions are, and the potential implications around the U.S. [21:06] This legislation overturns the business relationship between insurers and insureds. Insureds will no longer be able to purchase less expensive defense within-limits policies. That change has immense financial consequences. Justin will be the host for that webinar. [21:30] The legislation sets a time for this change to occur. Businesses need time to place liability coverage. Risk managers's jobs have changed greatly from what they were 20 years ago when they were purchasing insurance and working with insureds. Now they're assessing their enterprise's risk. There will be a lot of work for 2024. [22:28] Justin thanks Katherine Henry for joining us. [22:42] Special thanks to Katherine Henry for joining us on RIMScast! You'll hear more from Katherine on January 4th, 2024 during the RIMS Webinar Nevada's “Defense Within The Limits” Ban Explored. She will be joined by former RIMS Nevada Chapter President, Mark Habersack. Register at RIMS.org/webinars and the link in the show notes. [23:07] Go to the App Store and download the RIMS App. This is a special members-only benefit. Everybody loves the RIMS App! [23:33] You can sponsor a RIMScast episode for this, our weekly show, or a dedicated episode. Links to sponsored episodes are in our show notes. RIMScast has a global audience of risk professionals, legal professionals, students, business leaders, C-Suite executives, and more. Let's collaborate! Contact pd@rims.org for more information. [24:17] Become a RIMS member and get access to the tools, thought leadership, and network you need to succeed. Visit RIMS.org/membership or email membershipdept@RIMS.org for more information. The RIMS app is available only for RIMS members! You can find it in the App Store. [24:42] Risk Knowledge is the RIMS searchable content library that provides relevant information for today's risk professionals. Materials include RIMS executive reports, survey findings, contributed articles, industry research, benchmarking data, and more. [24:59] For the best reporting on the profession of risk management, read Risk Management Magazine at RMMagazine.com and in print, and check out the blog at RiskManagementMonitor.com. Justin Smulison is Business Content Manager at RIMS. You can email Justin at Content@RIMS.org. [25:21] Thank you for your continued support and engagement on social media channels! We appreciate all your kind words. Listen every week! Stay safe!   Mentioned in this Episode: Riskworld 2024 — San Diego, CA | May 5–8, 2024 RIMS Riskworld Award Nominations — Jan. 5, 2024, is the deadline to submit nominations! RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) NEW FOR MEMBERS! RIMS Mobile App Spencer Educational Foundation — Grants Page Embrace The Unknown: Unleashing the Power of Risk | Hosted Live & In-Person by RIMS NZ & PI | Feb. 12, 2024 Dan Kugler Risk Manager on Campus Grant RIMS Risk Management Magazine: ERM Special Edition 2023   RIMS Webinars: Prepare Yourself for the New Generation of Risk | Sponsored by Riskonnect | Dec. 12, 2023 Addressing Today's Risks While Preparing for Tomorrow | Sponsored by Aon | Dec. 14, 2023 Nevada's “Defense Within The Limits” Ban Explored | Presented by RIMS Public Policy Committee | Jan. 4, 2024 How Risk Managers Can Combat Human Trafficking In 2024 | Presented by RIMS | Jan. 16, 2024 RIMS.org/Webinars Upcoming Virtual Workshops: Fundamentals of Insurance | Dec 12 See the full calendar of RIMS Virtual Workshops All RIMS-CRMP Prep Workshops — Including Chris Mandel's Dec 13–14 Course Related RIMScast Episodes: “RIMS Public Policy and Advocacy 2023” “Emerging Cyber Trends with Davis Hake of Resilience” “Fleet Safety with Nets Executive Director Susan Gillies-Hipp” “Cybersecurity Awareness Month with Pamela Hans of Anderson Kill” “Betting It All On Risk: Mark Habersack, Heart of RIMS Award Recipient 2021” Sponsored RIMScast Episodes: “Why Subrogation is the New Arbitration” | Sponsored by Fleet Response (New!) Cyclone Season: Proactive Preparation for Loss Minimization | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “Subrogation and the Competitive Advantage” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyberrisk Outlook 2023” | Sponsored by Alliant “Chemical Industry: How To Succeed Amid Emerging Risks and a Challenging Market” | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD “Insuring the Future of the Environment” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Insights into the Gig Economy and its Contractors” | Sponsored by Zurich “The Importance of Disaster Planning Relationships” | Sponsored by ServiceMaster “Technology, Media and Telecom Solutions in 2023” | Sponsored by Allianz “Analytics in Action” | Sponsored by Alliant “Captive Market Outlook and Industry Insights” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Using M&A Insurance: The How and Why” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “Zurich's Construction Sustainability Outlook for 2023” “ESG Through the Risk Lens” | Sponsored by Riskonnect “A Look at the Cyber Insurance Market” | Sponsored by AXA XL   RIMS Publications, Content, and Links: RIMS Membership — Whether you are a new member or need to transition, be a part of the global risk management community! RIMS Virtual Workshops On-Demand Webinars Risk Management Magazine Risk Management Monitor RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Stories — New interview featuring Chris Mandel! Spencer Educational Foundation RIMS DEI Council   RIMS Events, Education, and Services: RIMS Risk Maturity Model® RIMS Events App Apple | Google Play RIMS Buyers Guide Sponsor RIMScast: Contact sales@rims.org or pd@rims.org for more information.   Want to Learn More? Keep up with the podcast on RIMS.org and listen on Apple Podcasts.   Have a question or suggestion? Email: Content@rims.org.   Join the Conversation! Follow @RIMSorg on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.   About our guest   Katherine Henry Bradley, Arant, Boult, and CummingsKatherine Henry is the Chair of the Policyholder Insurance Coverage team. Katherine's practice focuses on meeting clients' business objectives in matters involving insurance. She regularly advises Fortune 10 and other companies on complex insurance programs involving manuscript and specialty policies, including programs with multi-national coverage towers of $500 million to $1 billion, and programs incorporating various risk transfer and financing mechanisms, such as fronting programs, paid deductible programs, and collateral agreements. Her practice spans all aspects of policyholder insurance coverage, from initial policy placement and renewals to claims management and litigation, both in the United States and abroad. Her past and present policyholder clients include two of the world's largest automakers, the world's largest home improvement specialty retailer, an auto insurance company, a vacuum cleaner manufacturer, a quasi-governmental defined benefit plan, numerous healthcare-related entities, a private-equity investment firm, various banks and financial institutions, and a national trade association for the gases and welding industry.   Tweetables (Edited For Social Media Use): For risk managers, this is really important. One of the biggest risks lies with your vendors, your third-party vendors. That can be the weak point. — Katherine Henry   There's been a case reported of swine flu in the UK, now. There are these respiratory illnesses among children in China. It's not a pandemic but it's still a risk. — Katherine Henry   Runaway or out-of-control verdicts are something organizations are facing everywhere. It's very difficult to take a case to a jury. Something that should be resolved for $1 million or $2 million could be a $40 million liability. Insurers are aware of that. — Katherine Henry  

Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   Justin interviews Bob Bowman, the CRO of Wendy's in today's episode. Bob will be the guest panelist in the December 12th RIMS webinar, Prepare Yourself for the New Generation of Risk. Bob speaks of his career trajectory and what he learned as a claims manager for Safeco Insurance, a risk manager for Macy's, and the Chief Risk Officer of Wendy's. He talks about connecting with programs across the corporate reach of Wendy's and what falls under his oversight as the CRO. Justin shares the focus of the December 12th webinar and also provides his words of advice for young risk    Listen in for an interesting overview of ERM at Wendy's.   Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMScast. [:14] RISKWORLD 2024 will be held in sunny San Diego, California, from May 5th through May 8th. Booth and sponsorship sales are open. Member registration opens in November 2023. Public registration opens December 6th, 2023. Visit RIMS.org/riskworld for more information. [:35] About today's episode, a discussion of franchising, merging risks, and professional development, with our guest, Bob Bowman of Wendy's. [:56] The RIMS CRMP is the only competency-based risk management credential. That matters because earning the certification shows employers and recruiters that you have the skills necessary to manage risk and create value for your organization. [1:16] Several Exam Prep virtual workshops are coming up, starting on December 13th and 14th with former RIMS president, Chris Mandel. On January 13th, 20th, and 27th, 2024, the RIMS-CRMP Exam Virtual Workshop will be presented in conjunction with Conrad Clark Nigeria. [1:39] The RIMS-CRMP-FED Exam Prep Virtual Workshop will be held on January 30th and February 1st. That's a two-day course. Visit the certification page on RIMS.org for more information. A link is on this episode's show notes. [1:56] RIMS is gearing up for awards season. At RISKWORLD 2024, we will honor individuals, organizations, and chapters for their outstanding achievements in risk management. If you know someone who is truly making an impact on the risk profession and paving the way for future generations, consider drafting a nomination! [2:15] The deadline to submit award nominations is Friday, January 5th, 2024. A link to the awards applications and guidelines page is in this episode's show notes. Go to RIMS.org's About Us page and see the awards link there. Nominations for Risk Manager of the Year have closed but there are other awards that might appeal to you or a friend. [2:43] Bob Bowman is the CRO (Chief Risk Officer) for Wendy's. We will talk about franchising risks, merging risks, enterprise risk management, and professional development and hear about his career, which started in insurance. He worked at Macy's for several years and is now at Wendy's [3:10] We're going to talk about how and when Bob and his risk group are involved at different stages of decision-making for this global brand. [3:20] Quick plug! Bob Bowman is going to be the guest panelist for our upcoming RIMS webinar, presented by Riskonnect on December 12th. It's titled Prepare Yourself for the New Generation of Risk. The link is in this episode's show notes. Anyone who hears this interview will want to hear more from him in this webinar on December 12th! [3:45] Bob Bowman, welcome to RIMScast! [4:12] Bob's title at Wendy's is Chief Risk Officer. He has been with Wendy's for a little under 10 years. Bob tells of his time before that. He started in claims management in 1990 at Safeco Insurance. He backed into insurance as his degree is in restaurant and hospitality management. [5:38] From Safeco Insurance, Bob moved into the risk management space with help from a mentor and professional networking connections. [6:10] Bob was at Macy's for over 20 years. Macy's was going through a lot of change and transition at the time. When Bob joined Macy's, retail was vital and thriving. When Bob left Macy's, retail was just becoming aware of Amazon. Digital commerce was making itself known. [6:58] Bob had done an internship with Wendy's in college. Twenty-plus years later they made him an offer. He had loved his experiences at Macy's but everything was siloed. The offer at Wendy's was to connect the siloes and steer the ship. The pieces he had learned at Macy's had to be translated into a single strategy for success at Wendy's. [8:14] Risk management both in retail and at Wendy's is about product and process. It's all about delivering something of perceived value to the consumer, along with an experience. The experience might be the more important part of the equation. It's getting the product and experience right every time, in the perception of the customer. [9:10] Wendy's corporate headquarters hired Bob to work with the risk management team they had and develop it for organizational resilience, business continuity planning, crisis management, and enterprise risk management. [10:15] Bob tells how he referred to ISO and COSO in charting the path for Wendy's. It is now part of the way Wendy's manages every program. Every program begins with a framework selection of ISO, COSO, or another standard or industry best practices. [10:59] Food preparation and location selection are under other leaders. Bob's space is risk management in any and every program at Wendy's. He uses a consistent business model across all of the programs. [11:37] Franchising is a unique business model. It has many advantages but also comes with inherent risks. There is less control with autonomous, independent businesspeople working within a single brand with a desire to deliver a consistent experience to the customer across the franchise system. [12:46] Wendy's franchisees are autonomous but must be respectful of regulation. [13:42] The Wendy's corporate risk management group has grown since Bob started. There were six to eight risk managers in 2014. Today it is a group of about 15. [14:31] Bob discusses what is behind the growth of risk management at Wendy's. There is increasing complexity in the world, so there is increasing value in and appreciation for risk management. The way Wendy's transacts business has changed and continues to change. There are new technology risks. [16:17] When Bob started in the industry, there was a push to master tangible risks. Over the last five years, that has become a push to master intangible risks: digital data technology, network systems, cloud, hardware, software, and so forth. [16:51] RIMS plug time! RIMS Virtual Workshops: Visit RIMS.org/virtualworkshops to see the full calendar. December 7th starts the three-part course, Leveraging Data and Analytics for Continuous Risk Management, which will be led by our friend Pat Saporito. [17:12] Fundamentals of Insurance returns on December 12th and 13th. It will be led by our good friend Gail Kyomura. Information about these workshops and others is on the RIMS Virtual Workshops page. Check it out and register! [17:28] At 5:00 p.m. India Standard Time, on December 1st, Prudent Insurance Brokers Private Ltd. returns to discuss Business Interruption. On December 7, 2023, our friends at TÜV SÜD GRC return to discuss Engineering Resilience: Strategies for Preventing Machinery Breakdown. [17:49] Bob Bowman, our guest today is on the next webinar. On December 12th, Prepare Yourself for the New Generation of Risk with Riskonnect. On December 14th, Aon will be Addressing Today's Risks While Preparing for the Risks of Tomorrow. [18:05] On January 4th, RIMS's Public Policy Committee will explore Nevada's “Defense Within The Limits” Ban. On January 16th, RIMS will present How Risk Managers Can Combat Human Trafficking In 2024. Justin will host that session and will be joined by three expert panelists. He is looking forward to reaching you all with this session. [18:26] Visit RIMS.org/Webinars to learn more about these webinars and to register! Links are in the show notes. Webinar registration is complimentary for RIMS members. [19:37] Bob describes risk as uncertainty. Wherever there is uncertainty, that is risk. What are the things that need to be true to reduce that uncertainty? That's risk management. You can apply that easily to intangible risk. Bob does not have the technology background that would equip him to participate in the innovation discussion. [20:28] Bob trusts the CTO and others with technology backgrounds to guide him so he knows how to advise the C-suite. The intangible risk space is growing across nearly every aspect of the business. To be effective, Bob partners with every business function. [22:31] Wendy's attempts to simplify risk management. To Bob, if you are going to be effective as a risk management practitioner, simplifying is the table stakes. The balance of the business has little interest in and appreciation for risk management until it's relevant through their lens and on their terms with the results they are trying to achieve. [23:45] What has enabled Bob and his team to find some success is the risk profile, which is getting to know the risk from the perspective of the business, and the business leaders. It's up to the risk managers to speak the language of risk from the perspective of the leaders and grasp the challenges of each functional area of the business. [24:41] Risk management is asking, what could we do to make that desirable outcome more certain or increase the probability that we will hit that target. Bob asks, If I could guarantee you a greater probability that you will achieve your goals, wouldn't you begin thinking about more goals? Wouldn't you be more ambitious about accomplishments? [25:36] New items and new recipes would only come to the risk management department in terms of food safety. [26:31] Bob says he was on the periphery of the breakfast menu unveiling and he gives credit to an amazing team. Breakfast For Us in its current form is a recent innovation. Without prompting from risk management, the team coming up with the menu asked, what are the things that need to be true for this to be a successful endeavor? [27:01] That is risk-based decision-making from the outset of the idea. There was a lot of labor, expertise, and collaborative decision-making across the entire organization for months that went into the development of the breakfast menu. Bob wonders how many of the things that needed to be true went from not yet being true, to true, in the process. [29:30] Bob talks about the collaborative partnership between the Wendy's corporation and the franchisees. All parties have to be represented in the discussion. [30:09] Bob speaks about his part in the webinar coming on December 12th, Prepare Yourself for the New Generation of Risk. It goes toward the dilemma that many risk professionals are confronted with. There are so many new, evolving, uncertain areas of risk and risk management. The world is delivering us a heavy dose of VUCA! [30:52] We've got to be equipped to understand the VUCA World and be able to translate it to our organizations. This webinar will focus on that. Justin will host. It's a great way to close out the year! [31:33] As Bob looks back on his career, his advice to young people considering risk management is to get a mentor and a professional network, do hard work, and be willing to expand one's skill set. Support great people to be supported by great people. That's a universal part of the equation. [32:31] Special thanks to Bob Bowman of Wendy's for joining us on RIMScast! You can hear more of Bob's perspective and experience in the December 12th RIMS Webinar sponsored by Riskonnect titled Prepare Yourself for the New Generation of Risk. Register at RIMS.org/webinars and the link in this episode's show notes. [32:52] Go to the App Store and download the RIMS App. This is a special members-only benefit. Everybody loves the RIMS App! [33:19] You can sponsor a RIMScast episode for this, our weekly show, or a dedicated episode. Links to sponsored episodes are in our show notes. RIMScast has a global audience of risk professionals, legal professionals, students, business leaders, C-Suite executives, and more. Let's collaborate! Contact pd@rims.org for more information. [34:03] Become a RIMS member and get access to the tools, thought leadership, and network you need to succeed. Visit RIMS.org/membership or email membershipdept@RIMS.org for more information. The RIMS app is available only for RIMS members! You can find it in the App Store. [34:28] Risk Knowledge is the RIMS searchable content library that provides relevant information for today's risk professionals. Materials include RIMS executive reports, survey findings, contributed articles, industry research, benchmarking data, and more. [34:44] For the best reporting on the profession of risk management, read Risk Management Magazine at RMMagazine.com and in print, and check out the blog at RiskManagementMonitor.com. Justin Smulison is Business Content Manager at RIMS. You can email Justin at Content@RIMS.org. [35:07] Thank you for your continued support and engagement on social media channels! We appreciate all your kind words. Listen every week! Stay safe!   Mentioned in this Episode: Riskworld 2024 — San Diego, CA | May 5–8, 2024 RIMS Riskworld Award Nominations — Jan. 5, 2024, is the deadline to submit nominations! RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) NEW FOR MEMBERS! RIMS Mobile App Spencer Educational Foundation — Grants Page Embrace The Unknown: Unleashing the Power of Risk | Hosted Live & In-Person by RIMS NZ & PI | Feb. 12, 2024 Dan Kugler Risk Manager on Campus Grant RIMS Risk Management Magazine: ERM Special Edition 2023 RIMS Webinars: Engineering Resilience: Strategies for Preventing Machinery Breakdown | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD | Dec. 7, 2023 Prepare Yourself for the New Generation of Risk | Sponsored by Riskonnect | Dec. 12, 2023 Addressing Today's Risks While Preparing for Tomorrow | Sponsored by Aon | Dec. 14, 2023 Nevada's “Defense Within The Limits” Ban Explored | Presented by RIMS Public Policy Committee | Jan. 4, 2024 How Risk Managers Can Combat Human Trafficking In 2024 | Presented by RIMS | Jan. 16, 2024 RIMS.org/Webinars Upcoming Virtual Workshops: Leveraging Data and Analytics for Continuous Risk Management | Dec 7 Fundamentals of Insurance | Dec 12 See the full calendar of RIMS Virtual Workshops All RIMS-CRMP Prep Workshops — Including Chris Mandel's Dec 13–14 Course Related RIMScast Episodes: On The Menu: Restaurant Injury Risk Trends in 2023 Franchise Risks in 2022 with Karen Agostinho of Five Guys Enterprises Risk Insight with AAIN Leadership and Panda Express Fleet Safety with Nets Executive Director Susan Gillies-Hipp Sponsored RIMScast Episodes: “Why Subrogation is the New Arbitration” | Sponsored by Fleet Response (New!) “Cyclone Season: Proactive Preparation for Loss Minimization” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “Subrogation and the Competitive Advantage” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyberrisk Outlook 2023” | Sponsored by Alliant “Chemical Industry: How To Succeed Amid Emerging Risks and a Challenging Market” | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD “Insuring the Future of the Environment” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Insights into the Gig Economy and its Contractors” | Sponsored by Zurich “The Importance of Disaster Planning Relationships” | Sponsored by ServiceMaster “Technology, Media and Telecom Solutions in 2023” | Sponsored by Allianz “Analytics in Action” | Sponsored by Alliant “Captive Market Outlook and Industry Insights” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Using M&A Insurance: The How and Why” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “Zurich's Construction Sustainability Outlook for 2023” “ESG Through the Risk Lens” | Sponsored by Riskonnect “A Look at the Cyber Insurance Market” | Sponsored by AXA XL   RIMS Publications, Content, and Links: RIMS Membership — Whether you are a new member or need to transition, be a part of the global risk management community! RIMS Virtual Workshops On-Demand Webinars Risk Management Magazine Risk Management Monitor RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Stories — New interview featuring Chris Mandel! Spencer Educational Foundation RIMS DEI Council   RIMS Events, Education, and Services: RIMS Risk Maturity Model® RIMS Events App Apple | Google Play RIMS Buyers Guide Sponsor RIMScast: Contact sales@rims.org or pd@rims.org for more information.   Want to Learn More? Keep up with the podcast on RIMS.org and listen on Apple Podcasts.   Have a question or suggestion? Email: Content@rims.org.   Join the Conversation! Follow @RIMSorg on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.   About our guest   Bob Bowman on LinkedIn   Tweetables (Edited For Social Media Use): When I joined Macy's, retail was strong, vital, and thriving. By the time I left Macy's, retail was just becoming aware of Amazon. Digital commerce was making itself known. — Bob Bowman   There is less control with independent businesspeople who desire to maintain that independence. At the same time, you're working within a single brand, with a desire for consistency, and a desire to deliver a consistent experience to the customer across the system. — Bob Bowman   I would tell young risk managers to get a mentor and a professional network, do the hard work, and be willing to expand one's skill set. Support great people to be supported by great people. — Bob Bowman

Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   Lawanda “Elle Michell” Hall joins me today to share her accumulated knowledge as a risk professional in the corporate space and as a passionate risk entrepreneur. Elle had known from her days in high school math that she wanted to be a risk management professional. She explains how she navigated that path through her chosen major, her student affiliation with RIMS, and by taking a position in claims to experience risk management from the client's point of view. She shares some of her experiences in supply chain risk at Coca-Cola, and her plans for her company, Intelligent Intentions.   Having grown up in urban Atlanta, she is passionate about risk management in the community and for small businesses looking to participate in the supply chains of enterprise companies. Listen in for a passionate plea for improved education and communication around risk management for all companies.   Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMScast. [:14] RISKWORLD 2024 will be held in sunny San Diego, California, from May 5th through May 8th. Booth and sponsorship sales are open. Member registration opens in November 2023. Public registration opens December 6th, 2023. Visit RIMS.org/riskworld for more information. [:33] About today's episode, a discussion of supply chain risks and professional development, with our guest, Lawanda Elle Michell Hall. [:54] The RIMS CRMP is the only competency-based risk management credential that matters because earning the certification shows employers and recruiters that you have the skills necessary to manage risk and create value for your organization. [1:13] Several Exam Prep virtual workshops are coming up, starting on December 13th and 14th with former RIMS president, Chris Mandel. On January 13th, 20th, and 27th, 2024, the RIMS-CRMP Exam Virtual Workshop will be presented in conjunction with Conrad Clark Nigeria. [1:38] The RIMS-CRMP-FED Exam Prep Virtual Workshop will be held on January 30th and February 1st. That's a two-day course. Visit the certification page on RIMS.org for more information. A link is on this episode's show notes. [1:55] RIMS is gearing up for awards season. At RISKWORLD 2024, we will honor individuals, organizations, and chapters for their outstanding achievements in risk management. If you know someone who is truly making an impact on the risk profession and paving the way for future generations, consider drafting a nomination! [2:14] The deadline to submit award nominations is Friday, January 5th, 2024. A link to the awards applications and guidelines page is in this episode's show notes. Go to RIMS.org's About Us page and see the awards link there. Nominations for Risk Manager of the Year have closed but there are other awards that might appeal to you or a friend. [2:42] Elle Michell Hall is the CEO of Intelligent Intentions. She is also very active with the Spencer Educational Foundation. She has a fascinating career that has dealt with enterprise risk management and supply chain, among others. Let's hear about what she's done and where she's going! Elle Michell Hall, welcome to RIMScast! [3:41] Elle is in the minority of people who joined the risk industry on purpose! She received a degree in risk management in insurance from Georgia State University. She had been inspired by a high school AP course called Decision Science; now it is called Quantitative Analytics. She was intrigued by the application of math in the world. [5:27] Quantitative analytics is now used across many businesses to make projections and set themselves up for success. [6:41] People were used to thinking of risk managers as the “parent” who would say “no,” so they were avoided at all costs until they absolutely had to ask. [7:31] Elle has a lot of creative energy to create solutions and not have to say “no.” She works with people to figure out how to get to a “yes,” in a sensible way aligned with the business objective. [7:56] Elle didn't see risk management entry-level positions available after graduation. Entry-level positions tend to be in underwriting, claims, or the brokerage world but not in corporate risk management. She joined RIMS in college. At a RIMS luncheon, George Miller of AIG asked her what she wanted to do when she graduated. [8:38] Elle wanted to be a risk manager but she didn't know where to start. George told her we're in this business because stuff happens and you need to figure out what that looks like when it happens, so I recommend that you start in claims. That will make you a more thoughtful risk manager on the front end as you're making coverage decisions. [9:00] George Miller gave her a phone number and told her that the AIG claims office was moving to Alpharetta, Georgia, a suburb of Atlanta. Elle said, great, and that's where she started. She learned to make decisions. GSU had given her minimum information about claims so she studied and achieved her AIC. AIG was her career boot camp. [9:39] In claims, you're dumped into the deep end, dealing with problems. People are upset. Her territory was New York and she had New York attorneys calling her names all day, every day. She learned not to take things personally. She learned to manage a matter to completion. It was a beautiful beginning to her career in risk management. [10:27] Elle grew up in Atlanta in the shadow of Coca-Cola. When she started at Coca-Cola, Elle was a little starstruck and nostalgic. Her previous position had been at Earthlink, where there were two risk managers who did everything. At Coca-Cola, there was a team of 12 to 15 people and the work was divided between them. [12:24] Coca-Cola is crucial to the economy of Atlanta. A lot of native Atlantans work for Coke. Working there feels safe like you're a part of Atlanta. You have an impact on your city and you're able to do good work. [13:14] Elle finds supply chain risk fascinating. She learns a lot about how culture impacts perception. People have different perspectives on the same risk, based on their cultural references. Elle learned how different types of products cross the borders of different countries. Border Patrols must respect Coke's quality standards and seals. [15:06] Some ingredients, such as Stevia, may appear to be something else. There have been colorful conversations around legalities and culture, the way things move, and the time in which they move, making sure that as things change hands, the insurance is in place and things are moving. There are difficult conversations. [15:34] Elle recalls fun times. She was the risk point of contact when the FIFA trophy was touring in 2014. She toured the plane that took it to all the different cities. She got reports from each stop, making sure the trophy was safe. It was like a tour around the world, over 100 stops, without leaving her office. The trophy traveled in luxury! [17:20] RIMS plug time! Upcoming Virtual Workshops: Visit RIMS.org/virtualworkshops to see the full calendar. December 7th starts the three-part course, Leveraging Data and Analytics for Continuous Risk Management, which will be led by our friend Pat Saporito. [17:42] Fundamentals of Insurance returns on December 12th and 13th. It will be led by our good friend Gail Kyomura. Information about these workshops and others is on the RIMS Virtual Workshops page. Check it out and register! [17:57] On December 1st at 5:00 p.m. India Standard Time, Prudent Insurance Brokers Private Ltd. returns to discuss Business Interruption. On December 7, 2023, our friends at TÜV SÜD GRC return to discuss Engineering Resilience: Strategies for Preventing Machinery Breakdown. [18:18] On December 12th, Prepare Yourself for the New Generation of Risk with Riskonnect. On December 14th, Aon will be Addressing Today's Risks While Preparing for the Risks of Tomorrow. [18:31] On January 4th, RIMS's Public Policy Committee will explore Nevada's “Defense Within The Limits” Ban. On January 16th, RIMS will present How Risk Managers Can Combat Human Trafficking In 2024. Justin will host that session and will be joined by three expert panelists. He is looking forward to reaching you all with this session. [18:53] Visit RIMS.org/Webinars to learn more about these webinars and to register! Links are in the show notes. Webinar registration is complimentary for RIMS members. [19:16] Elle sees a disconnect in understanding and communication around risk management and insurance. She's had to say no a few times to external parties that wanted to do business but were not risk-responsible. Elle mentions some of the risks small suppliers don't consider when they want to be part of a billion-dollar supply chain. [21:07] Elle uses the example of bottle caps. If you supply the bottle caps, but you don't show up with them, the entire operation is shut down. There is a lot that goes into the decision of who will supply the bottle caps. Every little piece matters in the big picture of keeping things moving. A tiny company can cause a multi-million-dollar shutdown. [21:53] With joint and several liability, Coke is at risk for that loss. Small companies don't understand their risk imprint and big companies don't do a good job of explaining it. They just analyze it and say no, we can't do it. In the world of supply chain, many challenges come from the lack of communication and education in risk management. [23:44] In business incubators, small companies are told about CPAs, lawyers, and putting their finances in order. No one tells them about risk managers or understanding what their risks are. How do they make sure they are not a risk but a risk partner to the organization they want to help? [24:16] That conversation is not happening and it needs to happen. Smaller companies need to be educated on the discipline of risk management. Elle is passionate about the risk profession. She is also passionate about community and she is a natural educator. [24:59] Manage your risk! Make sure that you're not having an adverse impact on the companies you are doing business with or the people in your community! [25:07] A big part of Elle leaving the corporate space and becoming an entrepreneur was driven by her wanting to serve her community. There aren't people in the community teaching small businesses about risk management or even that they need to know these things. [25:25] Elle thinks it's important to give some plain language about what risk management is. Small companies get RFPs, contracts, and jargon without knowing what they mean. Elle grew up in a very urban area and she fully understands risk management. She can translate the concepts for small businesses to grasp quickly. [26:24] Being able to apply her knowledge and do something with it is very meaningful to Elle. She always wants to know what she can do with this knowledge. She doesn't want just “brain decoration.” [27:18] Elle says the biggest thing is to make sure that the data your business depends on is solid and that you understand how to adjust it for real-time because it is built on historical data. Things are changing a whole lot faster than they have before. Use your data but watch for trends as they come on social media so you can prepare properly. [28:53] Elle has always taken young people under her wing to mentor and help. She would sit with new members of the team, explain jargon to them, and help amplify their success and the success of the organization and the team. [29:30] Elle got an opportunity with Georgia State University and Spencer Educational Foundation to create a Professional Development Academy for first-generation college risk management and insurance majors. The Academy will address opportunities and drill down to amplify all that is learned in the degree program. [30:28] Elle is working with a professor at Georgia State University to create the Academy. It will open in January 2024. The announcement will come out soon on the Georgia State University Maurice Greenberg Risk Sciences web page. [32:52] The Professional Development Academy will focus on the day-to-day experience of the profession with a menu of detailed career descriptions and access to people who have done it, to make informed choices. A link is on this episode's show notes. [33:45] Justin hopes to see Elle at RISKWORLD 2024 in San Diego in May! [33:58] Special thanks to Elle Michell Hall. For more information about the program that we referenced in conjunction with the Spencer Educational Foundation, visit spencered.org/general-grants. The link is also in this episode's show notes. [34:17] Go to the App Store and download the RIMS App. This is a special members-only benefit. Everybody loves the RIMS App! [34:41] You can sponsor a RIMScast episode for this, our weekly show, or a dedicated episode. Links to sponsored episodes are in our show notes. RIMScast has a global audience of risk professionals, legal professionals, students, business leaders, C-Suite executives, and more. Let's collaborate! Contact pd@rims.org for more information. [35:23] Become a RIMS member and get access to the tools, thought leadership, and network you need to succeed. Visit RIMS.org/membership or email membershipdept@RIMS.org for more information. The RIMS app is available only for RIMS members! You can find it in the App Store. [35:46] Risk Knowledge is the RIMS searchable content library that provides relevant information for today's risk professionals. Materials include RIMS executive reports, survey findings, contributed articles, industry research, benchmarking data, and more. [36:01] For the best reporting on the profession of risk management, read Risk Management Magazine at RMMagazine.com and in print, and check out the blog at RiskManagementMonitor.com. Justin Smulison is Business Content Manager at RIMS. You can email Justin at Content@RIMS.org. [36:22] Thank you for your continued support and engagement on social media channels! We appreciate all your kind words. Listen every week! Stay safe!   Mentioned in this Episode: RISKWORLD 2024 — San Diego, CA | May 5–8, 2024 RIMS RISKWORLD Award Nominations — Jan. 5, 2024 is the deadline to submit! RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) NEW FOR MEMBERS! 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Elle's rich life & career experiences coupled with her love for serving people and adroit problem-solving skills are the perfect ingredients for a thoughtful and impactful life coach. She blends innate creativity, natural inquisitiveness, and analytical acumen to guide her clients through various life and career transitions. As the Founder and CEO of Intelligent Intentions LLC, Elle is an award-winning, nationally sought-after life & career coach, consultant, thought leader, trainer, and speaker. Her coaching style exists, at the intersection of business savvy and edgy urban intellectual. Elle has a way with words and an engaging presence that perfectly packages her messages which are laced with intelligence, intention, and integrity. A native and current resident of Atlanta, GA; Elle earned a B.B.A. (Major: Risk Management & Insurance) and studied for an MBA at Georgia State University. She also received a Life Coaching Certificate from the National Coaching Society. Elle is a passionate advocate for foster children and a faithful supporter of the arts. Intelligentintentions.com Georgia State University Maurice R. Greenberg School of Risk Science    Tweetables (Edited For Social Media Use): Lots of folks are in the risk industry who kind of fell into it. I am in the minority of people who did it on purpose! — Lawanda “Elle Michell” Hall   I have a lot of creative energy to create solutions and not have to say “no.” Let's work together and figure out how we can get to a “yes,” in a way that makes sense and is aligned with our business objectives. — Elle Michell Hall   The biggest thing is to make sure that the data your business depends on is solid and that you understand that you're adjusting it for real-time because it is built on historical data. Things are changing a whole lot faster than they have before. — Elle Michell Hall

Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   The term Wicked Problems was originally coined in an academic paper authored by design theorists Horst Rittel and Melvin Webber over 50 years ago. While there are many attributes that define a Wicked problem, generally they are based on problems that are fast evolving with no clear solution or where the solution generates further problems and a level of residual risk that is potentially worse than the initial issue itself. Fast forward to today, Risk Managers and Leaders try and grapple with the reality of a Volatile, Uncertain, Complex, Ambiguous, and Digital (VUCAD) world that challenges us with more and more Wicked Problems. In this session, we will explore how Risk Managers and Leaders can better cope with and wrangle wicked problems to create successful outcomes.   Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMScast. [:14] RISKWORLD 2024 will be held in sunny San Diego, California, May 5th through May 8th. Booth and sponsorship sales are open. Member registration opens November 2023. Public registration opens December 2023. Visit RIMS.org/riskworld for more information. [:33] About today's episode, a discussion of wicked problems with Dr. Gav Schneider. [:55] The RIMS CRMP is the only competency-based risk management credential that matters because earning the certification shows employers and recruiters that you have the skills necessary to manage risk and create value for your organization. [1:15] Several Exam Prep virtual workshops are coming up, starting with December 13th and 14th with former RIMS president, Chris Mandel. On January 13th, 20th, and 27th, 2024, the RIMS CRMP Exam Virtual Workshop will be presented in conjunction with Conrad Clark Nigeria. [1:38] The RIMS CRMP-FED Exam Prep Virtual Workshop will be held January 30th and February 1st. That's a two-day course. Visit the certification page on RIMS.org for more information. A link is on this episode's show notes. [1:56] RIMS is one of the educational development partners with AFERM, the Association for Federal Enterprise Ris Management. Two AFERM leaders joined RIMScast last week for a brief interview during the ERM Conference. This is a last call about AFERM's upcoming SUMMIT. [2:17] Join fellow ERM practitioners at the 2023 AFERM Summit Training. The theme is “Collaborate and Celebrate: Weaving ERM into the Fabric of Government.” The ERM SUMMIT will take place in Washington, D.C. at the Walter E. Washington Convention Center and virtually on November 28th and 29th. Links are in the show notes. [2:41] A Shout out the the RIMS New Zealand and Pacific Island Chapter and Marsh Australia and New Zealand, who welcome you to Embrace The Unknown: Unleashing the Power of Risk on February 12, 2024 at the Pullman Hotel in Aukland, NZ to discuss the critical role of risk management in today's uncertain world. A link is in the notes. [3:25] We have one of the featured speakers on RIMScast today, Dr. Gav Schneider. Dr. Schneider will present on “Wrangling Wicked Problems: The Ultimate Risk Management Challenge.” Dr. Gav Schneider is with the Centre for the Study of Wicked Problems and he was the Risk Management Institute of Australasia's 2023 Risk Leader of the Year. [3:50] Dr. Schneider is the creator of the Presilience Approach. Dr. Gav Schneider, welcome to RIMScast! Dr. Schneider joins RIMScast from Brisbane, Australia, and is originally South African. He moved to Australia nearly 20 years ago. Dr. Schneider is with the ISRM ANZ CSWP (Center for the Study of Wicked Problems). [5:07] Dr. Schneider started his career in martial arts in South Africa. He is an 8th Degree Black Belt. He taught self-defense and defensive tactics. He transitioned to close protection, bodyguarding, and executive protection. He set up his first business in South Africa, 24 years ago and sold it in 2014. [5:36] On the way, Dr. Schneider became fascinated with decision-making and risk management, as he kept seeing it being done so badly, even when there were life-or-death consequences attached. He looked at corporate risk management and how it intersects with compliance and how performance measures come into play. [6:00] Dr. Schneider became interested in practical application combined with sound academic theory, primarily focusing on the way humans make decisions. He is known as the Human-centric Risk Guy. He has taught a post-graduate program on the psychology of risk for the past seven years. It's been great for his learning, as well. [7:06] The Institute for Strategic Risk Management is an international group that's looking at how strategy, risk, and management intersect. ISRM has been collaborating with RIMS NZ for a couple of years. [7:21] The first paper on Wicked Problems was published 50 years ago. The fact that the world is so hypercomplex and we are bombarded with information all the time has made the study of wicked problems quite an important area. [7:56] We've become good at process- and compliance-based risk management. From the Industrial Revolution, we've gotten good at organizing and arranging things but now we're moving out of management-centricity. In a world with a high degree of control and certainty, process- and compliance-based risk management works. [8:43] In the modern world, we are bombarded with uncertainty, quickly changing events, and lack of control because of our hyper-connected systems. Dr. Schneider cites a recent seven-hour telecom outage in Australia. It hurt businesses. In supply-chain management, one supplier having an issue can be catastrophic for many businesses. [9:22] Certainty and control have eroded, compared to 20 years ago. [9:38] The difference between a Wicked Problem and a poly-crisis will be covered at the workshop at the RIMS Conference in New Zealand. You need time to understand it. Today's challenges are not one-dimensional risks to manage. A crisis evolves over one variable. If your team is coping, it's not a crisis. [11:39] When lots of crises happen at once, the support structures we have in place become overwhelmed. The interconnections between them become overwhelmed. A poly-crisis made up of lots of Wicked Problems. A standard crisis might just be us being overwhelmed. [12:41] Dr. Schneider says we are all risk practitioners. When making decisions, we weigh out the likelihood of success or failure. Dr. Schneider gives a few examples of the risk management of self-defense. In South Africa, when he had the self-defense business, there were 78 reported carjackings a day. [14:04] A lady called Dr. Schneider's self-defense business to learn how to defend against carjackings because she had been carjacked four times. The carjacker had hidden behind the same bush four times. She needed to cut down that bush! [14:42] When people called about close protection and security, they started with “Money is no object.” That high standard lowered when they were advised to hire two cars and four bodyguards; “Can't I get by with one car and two guards?” Suddenly, the price to protect their lives was half of the amount they were recommended. [16:13] If you don't have culture, engagement, and performance right, none of your other systems work. How do we achieve efficacy and sustained high performance during business as usual and how do we create the ability to thrive in a disruption not just survive? That has been Dr. Schneider's study since 2008 for his PhD. [16:40] In running the psychology of risk program, Dr. Schneider has seen smart, capable graduates become frustrated, doing everything they can on the process/compliance side while people they work with feel that risk management is the “handbrake to happiness,” keeping them from achieving what they want to do. [17:06] Dr. Schneider and the Centre for the Study of Wicked Problems want to “shift the dial” from negative outcome management to seizing and creating opportunity as a positive outcome. They developed the concept of “presilience,” a term Dr. Schneider coined. [17:46] The Centre for the Study of Wicked Problems was launched this year as a collaboration with the ISRM head office in the UK, and in NZ and AU. Fifty years after the first paper on wicked problems, you don't see wicked problems management getting nearly enough “airplay” or understanding in the world of conventional risk management. [18:12] Usually, the wicked problems cause pain for risk leaders and risk managers because those are the problems where the conventional systems don't work that well. [18:25] RIMS plug time! Upcoming Virtual Workshops: Visit RIMS.org/virtualworkshops to see the full calendar. December 7th starts the three-part course, Leveraging Data and Analytics for Continuous Risk Management, which will be led by our friend Pat Saporito. [18:48] Fundamentals of Insurance returns on December 12th and 13th. It will be led by our good friend Gail Kyomura. Information about these sessions and others is on the RIMS Virtual Workshops page. Check it out and register! [19:04] On November 21st, Beazley returns to present Business Risk: Helping Your Executives to Navigate Today's Volatile Risk Environment. [19:18] On December 1st at 7:00 a.m. Eastern, Prudent Insurance Brokers Private Ltd. returns to discuss Business Interruption. On December 7, 2023, our friends at TÜV SÜD GRC return to discuss Engineering Resilience: Strategies for Preventing Machinery Breakdown. [19:36] On December 12th, Prepare Yourself for the New Generation of Risk with Riskonnect. On December 14th, Aon will be Addressing Today's Risks While Preparing for the Risks of Tomorrow. [19:50] Visit RIMS.org/Webinars to learn more about these webinars and to register! Links are in the show notes. Webinar registration is complimentary for RIMS members. [20:14] Dr. Schneider's session is from 4:10 p.m. to 4:50 p.m. called “Wrangling Wicked Problems: The Ultimate Risk Management Challenge.” It will touch upon control efficacy measurement and risk intelligence. Risk intelligence is the human ability to make great decisions, grabbing upside opportunity and minimizing downside negative impact. [21:48] Risk intelligence is the living application of risk management as opposed to process-based application of risk management. Lots of smart people make terrible decisions because they blindly follow a process, they blindly follow a policy that's out-of-date, or they make no decision because they panic under pressure. [22:27] Not doing something, especially in a crisis or poly-crisis, is often worse than making the wrong call. Even the wrong call creates momentum, which gives you learning, to see that didn't work, so you can tweak it or do something different. [22:43] There are fundamental differences in the way to apply wicked-problems-based risk management and the way to apply process-based or compliance-based risk management. They require different skill sets. Process- and compliance-based risk management requires an auditor compliance-driven mindset that loves rules. [23:47] Epidemics, geopolitical instability, solar flares, and other things that are going to be significantly challenging for us, that are bigger than us, are very difficult to solve. Mist organizations set a strategic plan and then assume risk management will help them achieve the plan. [24:10] If we identified wicked problems early, we could forecast which strategic plans are going to be blocked by them and we could use a different skill set to deal with them. That skill set is highly-evolved risk intelligence; people who are good at dealing with uncertainty, achieving objectives in different ways, and are great communicators. [24:36] Dr. Schneider has a list of things he will share when he runs sessions. We want to be thinking of the risk leader of the future. Most risk managers don't manage risk; they manage a process or set up a policy that other people in a business have to manage or own. [24:59] Who's leading risk? People making decisions that have negative or positive consequences are risk leaders. We need to build dual skill sets. MBAs and Public Policy degrees teach to be good at process and compliance. Wicked problems require highly evolved emotional intelligence, influence skills, and pattern recognition. [25:50] In the session that Dr. Schneider will introduce in New Zealand, he will be covering some of those skill sets, and how to build them. His firm hope is that these teachings will create the risk leaders of the future that will enable a society that thrives through disruption and can endure when things go wrong. [26:26] Dr. Schneider talks about the psychology of risk work. He believes people learn by hearing, learn more by hearing and seeing, and learn even more if they are also entertained. So it's about engaging the audience to have significant takeaways that make their work life better and enable their efficacy in their job to increase. [27:05] Dr. Schneider's presentation style is informal. He walks around and gets involved with the audience. He doesn't separate himself from the audience with a podium. Because they give their time and resources to listen to him, he gives them something that makes them more effective in their jobs and ultimately helps their organization. [29:06] Dr. Schneider has a unique hybrid South African-Australian accent. People either find him easy to listen to or can't understand a word he says! [29:44] Dr. Schneider shares his thoughts for the RIMScast audience. We're in a challenging era. It's almost overwhelming in its opportunity. We can integrate technology and leverage knowledge and connections in ways we've never been able to do. There are a few things we need to remember. [30:17] We are not over COVID-19 yet. It still has effects on social cohesion and personal interaction. In many cases, people were shut down from other humans for an extended time. Their skills of collaboration, teamwork, and empathy have eroded and they haven't returned yet. [30:39] We're seeing that now with an increase in things like workplace violence, active shooting incidents, and geopolitical war. Part of the global challenges we have as risk leaders is that people are not thinking about the skills for solving wicked problems. Most risk leaders had a tough time through COVID-19 and need to refresh. [31:34] We're now in an era of disruption. Systems we've built over the last few hundred years are not able to cope with the complicated and interwoven variables we're facing. We need to be ready. Dr. Schneider's message is to build your skills, maintain your mental and physical health, and find your balance. This is a marathon, not a sprint. [32:02] Dr. Schneider says things are going to continue to be challenging. Increased interest rates and fiscal moves by governments to try to cap inflation is a good example of a wicked problem. People in financial stress get desperate and crime, violence, and fraud go up. Learn to look at the interconnected world. [32:52] Cybercrime is here to stay. Risk leaders need to get comfortable with the virtual world. AI comes up repeatedly at every risk conference. If businesses and business leaders are talking about it, it's going to be the problem of risk leaders and risk managers. It's either a problem or an opportunity, depending on how you look at it. [33:50] The way criminals take advantage of vulnerabilities in our systems is very different from the way protectors like risk leaders look at them. A convicted criminal told Dr. Schneider that he's never seen a computer or a computer program spend time in jail. AI and tech are still driven by humans. It's a human problem or opportunity. [34:32] The more tech we get, the more human-centricity we need. The deep thinking is going to have to be done by humans. We have to manage the opportunity and the risk of AI and tech simultaneously. [35:04] Justin is excited for anyone who gets to go and see Embrace the Unkown: Unleashing the Power of Risk at the Pullman Hotel in Aukland, NZ, February 12, 2024. [35:44] Special thanks to Dr. Gav Schneider. On February 12, 2024, Dr. Schneider will be a presenter at the day-long live conference Embrace the Unknown, which will be at the Pullman Hotel in Aukland, NZ. That event is hosted by Marsh and the outstanding RIS NZ and PI Chapter. The link is in this episode's show notes. Check it out and register! [36:07] More coverage leading up to this event will follow on RIMScast. [36:15] Go to the App Store and download the RIMS App. This is a special members-only benefit. Everybody loves the RIMS App! [36:39] You can sponsor a RIMScast episode for this, our weekly show, or a dedicated episode. Links to sponsored episodes are in our show notes. RIMScast has a global audience of risk professionals, legal professionals, students, business leaders, C-Suite executives, and more. Let's collaborate! Contact pd@rims.org for more information. [37:22] Become a RIMS member and get access to the tools, thought leadership, and network you need to succeed. Visit RIMS.org/membership or email membershipdept@RIMS.org for more information. The RIMS app is available only for RIMS members! You can find it in the App Store. [37:47] Risk Knowledge is the RIMS searchable content library that provides relevant information for today's risk professionals. Materials include RIMS executive reports, survey findings, contributed articles, industry research, benchmarking data, and more. [38:03] For the best reporting on the profession of risk management, read Risk Management Magazine at RMMagazine.com and in print, and check out the blog at RiskManagementMonitor.com. Justin Smulison is Business Content Manager at RIMS. You can email Justin at Content@RIMS.org. [38:24] Thank you for your continued support and engagement on social media channels! We appreciate all your kind words. Listen every week! Stay safe!   Mentioned in this Episode: Embrace The Unknown: Unleashing the Power of Risk | Hosted Live & In-Person by RIMS NZ & PI | Feb. 12, 2024 2023 AFERM Summit Training | Nov 28–29, 2023 Riskworld 2024 — San Diego, CA | May 5–8, 2024 Dan Kugler Risk Manager on Campus Grant RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) NEW FOR MEMBERS! RIMS Mobile App RIMS Risk Management Magazine: ERM Special Edition 2023 RIMS Webinars: Business Risk: Helping your Executives Navigate Today's Volatile Risk Environment | Sponsored by Beazley | Nov. 21, 2023 Business Interruption | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. | Dec. 1, 2023 Engineering Resilience: Strategies for Preventing Machinery Breakdown | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD | Dec. 7, 2023 Prepare Yourself for the New Generation of Risk | Sponsored by Riskonnect | Dec. 12, 2023 Addressing Today's Risks While Preparing for Tomorrow | Sponsored by Aon | Dec. 14, 2023 RIMS.org/Webinars Upcoming Virtual Workshops: Leveraging Data and Analytics for Continuous Risk Management | Dec 7 Fundamentals of Insurance | Dec 12 See the full calendar of RIMS Virtual Workshops All RIMS-CRMP Prep Workshops – Including Chris Mandel's Dec 13–14 Course Related RIMScast Episodes: “Harnessing Innovation's Promise with ERM Conference Keynote Bob Roitblat” “ERM's Value Proposition with Chris Mandel” Sponsored RIMScast Episodes: “Cyclone Season: Proactive Preparation for Loss Minimization” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. (New!) “Subrogation and the Competitive Advantage” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyberrisk Outlook 2023” | Sponsored by Alliant “Chemical Industry: How To Succeed Amid Emerging Risks and a Challenging Market” | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD “Insuring the Future of the Environment” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Insights into the Gig Economy and its Contractors” | Sponsored by Zurich “The Importance of Disaster Planning Relationships” | Sponsored by ServiceMaster “Technology, Media and Telecom Solutions in 2023” | Sponsored by Allianz “Analytics in Action” | Sponsored by Alliant “Captive Market Outlook and Industry Insights” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Using M&A Insurance: The How and Why” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “Zurich's Construction Sustainability Outlook for 2023” “ESG Through the Risk Lens” | Sponsored by Riskonnect “A Look at the Cyber Insurance Market” | Sponsored by AXA XL   RIMS Publications, Content, and Links: RIMS Membership — Whether you are a new member or need to transition, be a part of the global risk management community! RIMS Virtual Workshops On-Demand Webinars Risk Management Magazine Risk Management Monitor RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Stories — New interview featuring Chris Mandel! Spencer Educational Foundation RIMS DEI Council   RIMS Events, Education, and Services: RIMS Risk Maturity Model® RIMS Events App Apple | Google Play RIMS Buyers Guide Sponsor RIMScast: Contact sales@rims.org or pd@rims.org for more information.   Want to Learn More? Keep up with the podcast on RIMS.org and listen on Apple Podcasts.   Have a question or suggestion? Email: Content@rims.org.   Join the Conversation! Follow @RIMSorg on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.   About our guest   Dr. Gav Schneider Summarized BIO — Keynote Speaker, Director, CEO, Academic: Dr Gavriel (Gav) Schneider (CCRO, RPP, FISRM, FIML, FIS (SA), FGIA, FARPI, MAIPIO, CPP) IFSEC 2019, 20, 21 and 22 top twenty global influencer — Thought Leadership RMIA Risk Leader of the Year 2023 and Risk Consultant of the Year 2019 Dr Gav is an acknowledged business leader and specialist in the field of human-based risk management and the psychology of risk. He is the creator of the Presilience® approach (recognized in the prestigious AFR Most Innovative Awards in 2021). He is a serial entrepreneur and has been running his own businesses since 2001. He has conducted business in over 17 countries and provided a wide range of services for a very diverse client base, ranging from heads of state to school teachers. He is a leading academic and subject matter expert in his field and is a much sought-after International speaker. In Addition to being the RMIA's Risk Leader of the Year in 2023, and Risk Consultant of the Year in 2019, Dr. Gav is the only Australian to make the IFSEC Global Influencers' top 20 thought Leaders list for the last 4 years in a row.   The Institute of Strategic Risk Management ANZ CSWP (Centre for the Study of Wicked Problems) The Centre for the Study of Wicked Problems is an international academic institution dedicated to facilitating effective research, analysis, and solutions to the wicked problems faced by our organizations, governments, and communities. The Centre brings together stakeholders, academics, policymakers, and practitioners with one common platform to develop effective frameworks and strategies to address multifaceted challenges.   Tweetables (Edited For Social Media Use): I started my career in South Africa. I kicked everything off with the world of martial arts. So I'm an eighth-degree black belt and that's how I got started, teaching self-defense and defensive tactics. — Dr. Gav Schneider   This year is the 50th anniversary of when the first paper on Wicked Problems was penned. The fact that the world is hypercomplex and we are bombarded with information all the time has made the study of wicked problems quite an important area. — Dr. Gav Schneider   It's usually, the wicked problems that are causing such pain for risk leaders and risk managers because it's where the conventional systems don't work that well. — Dr. Gav Schneider   If businesses and business leaders are talking about AI, it's going to be our problem. It's either a problem or an opportunity, it depends on how you look at it. — Dr. Gav Schneider

Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   In this episode, Justin interviews several notable attendees of the RIMS ERM Conference 2023 in Denver, Colorado. First is Fernanda Gutierrez Franco, a student at the University of Colorado. Fernanda speaks of the risk management program at the university. Next are two high-ranking AFERM members, Marianne Roth, and Bobbi-Jo Pankaj, who describe the similarities between AFERM and RIMS. They also speak of the Summit, AFERM's Conference. Finally, Justin catches up with Dr. Innocent Uzombah, MBA, the Registrar General/CEO of the Chartered Institute of Loan & Risk Management of Nigeria. Dr. Uzombah hopes to bring the risk management body of knowledge in Nigeria to current standards. Justin wraps the episode with some of the benefits of attending the RIMS ERM Conference.   Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMScast. [:28] The segments of today's episode were recorded live at the RIMS ERM Conference 2023 in Denver, Colorado. Live event episodes are Justin's favorites. They capture the energy of RIMS events! [:43] Justin sends a quick shout-out to the RIMS New Zealand Pacific Island Chapter and Marsh Australia and New Zealand, who welcome you to Embrace The Unknown: Unleashing the Power of Risk, a one-day event on February 12, 2024 at the Pullman Hotel in Auckland, NZ. [1:07] It will be a gathering of experts, thought leaders, and professionals from various industries to explore and discuss the critical role of risk management in today's dynamic and uncertain world. There will be sessions on AI, Resilience, and Adaptability, highlighted by case studies and insights. See the link in this episode's show notes.  [1:28] Next week on RIMScast, one of the speakers will be joining us! Be sure to tune in. [1:34] It's never too early to talk about RISKWORLD 2024! Save the date, May 5th–8th, 2024 in sunny San Diego, California. Booth and sponsorship sales are open. Member registration opens this month, November 2023 and public registration opens in December 2023. Visit RIMS.org/RISKWORLD to learn all about it. [2:09] We have a range of perspectives on today's episode of RIMScast. Our first perspective comes from a soon-to-be rising star in the risk profession, Fernanda Gutierrez Franco, a student at the University of Colorado. She is very involved in the risk management program and risk management groups at the school. [2:32] Fernanda was one of the contestants for ERM Squares. Justin caught up with Fernanda in the ballroom to hear from her how students are seeing the risk profession and what her career goals are. [2:48] Fernanda Gutierrez Franco, welcome to RIMScast! Fernanda started college with a biology major for pre-med or nursing. It wasn't a fit, so she switched to business, hoping to go into management or accounting in the health sector. In one of her classes, guest speakers talked about the RMI program. She booked a meeting and switched her major. [4:06] Fernanda loves risk management for the opportunities for students and how welcoming everyone is in the industry. Fernanda describes opportunities at CU Denver and RMI events such as spotlights on companies and shadow days to visit companies and shadow the employees. Fernanda describes Gamma Iota Sigma internship events. [4:59] Many speakers come to talk to classes in panelist events or to talk about risk control and company practices. [5:19] Fernanda loves ERM for everyone coming together to realize that there has to be something done;  there has to be a risk assessment or something laid out. It's educating people that aren't in the risk industry that risk is always here and it's better to be prepared than to be sorry later. [5:44] Fernanda will take a course under David Young in her grad program. [6:05] Fernanda is the Women in Business VP,  the Gamma Iota Sigma VP. She is more involved with the Gamma Iota Sigma group that meets Tuesday morning, weekly and hosts two to three events monthly. They have nine elected officials and are working on getting more members involved in the organization. [6:49] Fernanda was a moderator at the RIMS Western Regional. It was her first time moderating at a risk event and her first time in front of a huge crowd. It scared her a bit to be standing in front of 400 people, but it was a great opportunity, she got a lot of exposure and the session was fun and informative. [7:49] Fernanda has had other speaking opportunities, including high school commencement, for around 150 people. [8:12] Fernanda was one of the first two contestants for the RIMS ERM Squares. She had to agree or disagree with answers from nine seasoned risk professionals on stage. [9:18] Justin congratulates Fernanda and thanks her for being on RIMScast. [9:23]  RIMS plug time! Upcoming Virtual Workshops: Visit RIMS.org/virtualworkshops to see the full calendar. December 7th starts the three-part course, Leveraging Data and Analytics for Continuous Risk Management, which will be led by our friend Pat Saporito. [9:44] Fundamentals of Insurance returns on December 12th and 13th. It will be led by our good friend Gail Kyomura. Information about these sessions and others is on the RIMS Virtual Workshops page. Check it out and register! [10:01] On November 16th, Nationwide returns to present U.S. Customs Surety Bonds: A Primer for Risk Professionals. On November 21st, Beazley returns to present Business Risk: Helping Your Executives to Navigate Today's Volatile Risk Environment. [10:25] On December 1st at 7:00 a.m. Eastern, Prudent Insurance Brokers Private Ltd. returns to discuss Business Interruption. At 2:00 p.m. Eastern, on December 1st, the RIMS PUBLIC POLICY COMMITTEE PRESENTS: Understanding Nevada's “Defense Within the Limits” Ban. [10:47]  On December 7, 2023, our friends at TÜV SÜD GRC return to discuss Engineering Resilience: Strategies for Preventing Machinery Breakdown. On December 12th, Prepare Yourself for the New Generation of Risk with Riskonnect. On December 14th, Aon will be Addressing Today's Risks While Preparing for the Risks of Tomorrow. [11:08] Visit RIMS.org/Webinars to learn more about these webinars and to register! Links are in the show notes. Webinar registration is complimentary for RIMS members. [11:28] The next guests are Bobbi-Jo Pankaj, 2023 Summit Committee Chair, with AFERM, the Association for Federal Enterprise Risk Management, and Marianne Roth, AFERM President. AFERM was at the ERM Conference. [11:53] RIMS looks forward to collaborating with them for the 2023 AFERM Summit Training on November 28th and 29th at the Walter E. Washington Convention Center in Washington, D.C. The link is in this episode's show notes. Bobbi-Jo Pankaj and Marianne Roth, welcome to RIMScast! [12:18] Justin interviews high-ranking AFERM members, Marianne Roth, and Bobbi-Jo Pankaj, at the RIMS ERM Conference 2023. Marianne says AFERM is the only organization dedicated to government employees who are leaders in ERM. AFERM has about 500 members from state, local, and federal government and the private sector. [13:07] The members of AFERM facilitate ERM at all levels of government and in the nonprofit sector. Bobbi-Jo says she has a deep love for ERM. AFERM is the Association of Federal Risk Management. AFERM has a lot of activities for state, federal, and local governments and vendors. Bobbi-Jo is a vendor. She works for Guidehouse. [13:32] Bobbi-Jo is the Summit Chair for 2023. The Summit is very similar to the RIMS ERM Conference. The Summit focuses on weaving ERM into the fabric of government. There are usually 300 or 400 attendees in person and virtually. The Summit is November 28th and 29th. [13:53] AFERM is heavily tied to the federal government, so if the government shuts down, the event will be moved to a later date. It will still be in Washington, D.C. at the Washington D.C. Convention Center. RIMS is slated to have a presence at the Summit. [14:22] At the Summit, there's an exciting vibe; everybody loves ERM. There are speakers from the public and private sectors. There are 21 unique break-out sessions. There are five plenary speakers, including the Commissioner of the Internal Revenue Service. There's a lot of networking. Which is one of the best takeaways from the event. [14:46] There are tools and techniques that members have found successful in the government and the private sector. RIMS will have a booth at AFERM. Bobbi-Jo is excited to get potential new AFERM members from RIMS. A lot of AFERM members have the RIMS CRMP certification and the RIMS CRMP-FED microcertification. [15:20] Marianne and Justin met online a few years ago after Marianne won the Theodore Roosevelt Excellence in Government Award for Innovation in ERM at the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Justin saw it on LinkedIn and reached out to Marianne. They did a Q&A. It is linked in this episode's show notes. [15:54] Marianne has been an ERM risk practitioner for almost 10 years. Bobbi-Jo was in risk management first and has also been an ERM risk practitioner for about 10 years, since ERM took off in the federal government. [16:07] Marianne has seen a lot of maturation of ERM capabilities across federal agencies with organizations focusing on risk appetite and maturing their processes, mitigating risks more effectively. Bobbi-Jo agrees and notes that a lot of AFERM members use the RIMS Risk Maturity Model® to track the maturation of programs. [16:44] AFERM is an all-volunteer organization. They seek volunteers year-round. Marianne enjoyed the Summit so much, she got involved with AFERM. Bobbi-Jo has been doing the Summit for seven years and took on the Chair position because it is an amazing event. Justin looks forward to seeing them at future RIMS events. [17:22] Justin's final guest for this episode is Dr. Innocent Uzombah, MBA, the Registrar General/CEO of the Chartered Institute of Loan & Risk Management of Nigeria. He came from Nigeria to attend the RIMS ERM Conference in Denver and has also been to several more RIMS events. Justin invited him to RIMScast to share his unique perspective. [18:09] Dr. Innocent Uzombah, welcome to RIMScast! Dr. Uzombah is happy to be here. Dr. Innocent Uzombah has been a risk management practitioner for 13 years. Dr. Uzombah explains what drew him to risk management. He came to the RIMS ERM Conference to improve the body of knowledge in risk management practice in Nigeria. [19:56] The Chartered Institute of Loan & Risk Management of Nigeria shares ideas and information with offices in Ghana, Cameroon, Kenya, and some other African countries. [20:22] Dr. Innocent Uzombah says the session on Resilience was very good. He enjoyed other sessions, too. He will bring this information to Nigeria to teach others. He says risk management is a void in Africa. His advice to people in Nigeria interested in risk management is to get the right knowledge and education to fill the void. [21:57] Dr. Innocent Uzombah has attended the RIMS ERM conference starting with the 2019 conference in Louisiana. He will continue to attend so the body of risk knowledge will improve in Africa. Justin is glad Dr. Innocent Uzombah is getting so much from the RIMS conferences and looks forward to seeing him again. Dr. Uzombah thanks Justin. [23:23] Special thanks to all of my guests for joining us and to all the attendees of the RIMS ERM Conference 2023. We had a blast, from the sponsors to the attendees and presenters, everyone left with some great new insight, a wider network, and fun memories! Announcements about next year's ERM Conference will be made in 2024. [23:41] There is a special ERM edition of RIMS Risk Management Magazine that is also publicly accessible via the show notes. Check it out. You'll see articles and RIMScast interviews featuring familiar names and faces from the conference. [23:55] Go to the App Store and download the RIMS App. This is a special members-only benefit. Everybody loves the RIMS App! [24:19] You can sponsor a RIMScast episode for this, our weekly show, or a dedicated episode. Links to sponsored episodes are in our show notes. RIMScast has a global audience of risk professionals, legal professionals, students, business leaders, C-Suite executives, and more. Let's collaborate! Contact pd@rims.org for more information. [25:02] Become a RIMS member and get access to the tools, thought leadership, and network you need to succeed. Visit RIMS.org/membership or email membershipdept@RIMS.org for more information. The RIMS app is available only for RIMS members! You can find it in the App Store. [25:26] Risk Knowledge is the RIMS searchable content library that provides relevant information for today's risk professionals. Materials include RIMS executive reports, survey findings, contributed articles, industry research, benchmarking data, and more. [25:42] For the best reporting on the profession of risk management, read Risk Management Magazine at RMMagazine.com and in print, and check out the blog at RiskManagementMonitor.com. Justin Smulison is Business Content Manager at RIMS. You can email Justin at Content@RIMS.org. [26:04] Thank you for your continued support and engagement on social media channels! We appreciate all your kind words. Listen every week! Stay safe!   Mentioned in this Episode: RIMS Risk Management Magazine: ERM Special Edition 2023 2023 AFERM Summit Training | Nov 28–29, 2023 Riskworld 2024 — San Diego, CA | May 5–8, 2024 Embrace The Unknown: Unleashing the Power of Risk | Hosted Live & In-Person by RIMS NZ & PI | Feb. 12, 2024 Dan Kugler Risk Manager on Campus Grant RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) NEW FOR MEMBERS! RIMS Mobile App ERM Q&A with Marianne Roth: ERM at the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (2020) RIMS Webinars: An Introduction to U. S. Custom Surety Bonds | Sponsored by Nationwide | Nov. 16, 2023 Business Risk: Helping your Executives Navigate Today's Volatile Risk Environment | Sponsored by Beazley | Nov. 21, 2023 Business Interruption | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. | Dec. 1, 2023 RIMS PUBLIC POLICY COMMITTEE PRESENTS: Understanding Nevada's “Defense Within the Limits” Ban | Dec. 1, 2023 Engineering Resilience: Strategies for Preventing Machinery Breakdown | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD | Dec. 7, 2023 Prepare Yourself for the New Generation of Risk | Sponsored by Riskonnect | Dec. 12, 2023 Addressing Today's Risks While Preparing for Tomorrow | Sponsored by Aon | Dec. 14, 2023 RIMS.org/Webinars Upcoming Virtual Workshops: Leveraging Data and Analytics for Continuous Risk Management | Dec 7 Fundamentals of Insurance | Dec 12 See the full calendar of RIMS Virtual Workshops All RIMS-CRMP Prep Workshops — Including Chris Mandel's Dec 13–14 Course Related RIMScast Episodes: “All Roads Lead to ERM with Merline Barrington of the Port Authority of NY & NJ” “Harnessing Innovation's Promise with ERM Conference Keynote Bob Roitblat” “ERM's Value Proposition with Chris Mandel” “ERM in Banking & Finance with Eleni Willis” “Emerging Risks and Board Reporting with Suzanne Christensen” Sponsored RIMScast Episodes: “Cyclone Season: Proactive Preparation for Loss Minimization” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. (New!) “Subrogation and the Competitive Advantage” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyberrisk Outlook 2023” | Sponsored by Alliant “Chemical Industry: How To Succeed Amid Emerging Risks and a Challenging Market” | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD “Insuring the Future of the Environment” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Insights into the Gig Economy and its Contractors” | Sponsored by Zurich “The Importance of Disaster Planning Relationships” | Sponsored by ServiceMaster “Technology, Media and Telecom Solutions in 2023” | Sponsored by Allianz “Analytics in Action” | Sponsored by Alliant “Captive Market Outlook and Industry Insights” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Using M&A Insurance: The How and Why” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “Zurich's Construction Sustainability Outlook for 2023” “Aon's 2022 Atlantic Hurricane Season Overview” “ESG Through the Risk Lens” | Sponsored by Riskonnect “A Look at the Cyber Insurance Market” | Sponsored by AXA XL   RIMS Publications, Content, and Links: RIMS Membership — Whether you are a new member or need to transition, be a part of the global risk management community! RIMS Virtual Workshops On-Demand Webinars Risk Management Magazine Risk Management Monitor RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Stories — New interview featuring Chris Mandel! Spencer Educational Foundation RIMS DEI Council   RIMS Events, Education, and Services: RIMS Risk Maturity Model® RIMS Events App Apple | Google Play RIMS Buyers Guide Sponsor RIMScast: Contact sales@rims.org or pd@rims.org for more information.   Want to Learn More? Keep up with the podcast on RIMS.org and listen on Apple Podcasts.   Have a question or suggestion? Email: Content@rims.org.   Join the Conversation! Follow @RIMSorg on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.   About our guests Fernanda Gutierrez Franco Vice President | Gamma Iota Sigma-Beta Mu Vice President | Women in Business Student Assistant | Environmental Health and Safety Attends: University of Colorado Denver   Marianne Roth, AFERM President Bobbi-Jo Pankaj, 2023 Summit Committee Chair  Aferm.org   Dr. Innocent Uzombah, MBA — Registrar General/CEO, Chartered Institute of Loan & Risk Management of Nigeria   Tweetables (Edited For Social Media Use): ERM is everyone coming together to realize that there has to be a risk assessment or something laid out. It's educating the people who aren't a part of the risk industry that risk is always here and it's better to be prepared than to be sorry later. — Fernanda Gutierrez Franco   I have a deep love for ERM. AFERM is the Association of Federal Risk Management. We have a lot of activities for federal, state, and local government, as well as vendors. I'm a vendor. — Bobbi-Jo Pankaj   At the Summit, everybody loves ERM. We have public and private sector speakers. We have 21 unique break-out sessions. We have five plenary speakers, including the Commissioner of the Internal Revenue Service. There's a lot of networking. — Marianne Roth   We share ideas between countries and try to improve the body of knowledge in the risk management practice in Africa. — Dr. Innocent Uzombah, MBA  

Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   In this episode, Justin interviews Davis Hake, Co-Founder of Resilience, about his career in national security work, including working with former Congressman Langevin, Homeland Security, and Obama's National Security staff. Davis tells about co-founding Resilience in the private sector to help organizations build cybercrime resilience. He introduces the Resilience Midyear 2023 Claims Report, revealing important trends discovered in cybercrime through claims data, Reliance research, and partner research.   Davis closes the interview with a look to 2024, his plans for pushing the flywheel faster, and his analysis of what it will take to break the new cybercrime business model.   Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMScast. [:27] About today's episode, where we will discuss cyber security trends from Resilience's Midyear 2023 Claims Report. [:36] First, a quick shoutout to the RIMS New Zealand Pacific Island Chapter and Marsh Australia and New Zealand, who welcome you to Embrace The Unknown: Unleashing the Power of Risk, a one-day event on February 12, 2024 at the Pullman Hotel in Auckland, NZ. [1:00] It will be a gathering of experts, thought leaders, and professionals from various industries to explore and discuss the critical role of risk management in today's dynamic and uncertain world. There will be sessions on AI, Resilience, and Adaptability, highlighted by case studies and insights. See the link in this episode's show notes.  [1:21] It's never too early to talk about RISKWORLD 2024! Save the date, May 5th–8th, 2024 in sunny San Diego, California. Booth and sponsorship sales are open. Member registration opens this month, November 2023 and public registration opens in December 2023. Visit RIMS.org/RISKWORLD to learn all about it. [1:51] Our guest today, Davis Hake, is the Co-Founder of Resilience, which recently released its Midyear 2023 Claims Report. They say ransomware is entering a new era as cybercriminals have begun shifting their tactics to bypass security controls by hitting critical vendors and seeking larger targets for extortions. [2:14] They're big game hunting again and we're going to talk all about it with Davis Hake. Davis had a fascinating career in government and we will learn about that, as well. [2:33] Davis Hake, welcome to RIMScast! This episode was recorded in October, National Cybersecurity Awareness Month, but as Davis says, every month is National Cybersecurity Awareness Month! [3:18] Davis grew up working in politics on the Hill, for Congressman Jim Langevin. Congressman Langevin was one of the first on the Hill to identify we had serious problems in our critical infrastructure in everything from power plants to communication. At about that time, Stuxnet became a public concern. [3:50] Congressman Langevin dove into looking at what we need to do as a nation to secure these larger problems. He realized cyber is an economic problem of incentives, cost, and how businesses manage their digital innovation. He set Davis on a path to be passionate about trying to fix it. [4:14] Davis worked for a time in the Obama administration for the National Security Council. He came to the private sector to work in cybersecurity and got together with his Co-Founders to build something that would take this technical problem to understand a company's risk and how they invest against it. [4:41] They looked at the insurance industry for how to drive better risk management practices and applied RM to cyber. They started in 2016. Now, in 2023, they have an amazing insurance team with some of the best folks in the industry, serving clients in the U.S., the EU, and the UK with close to 200 staff members. [5:32] Davis praises former Congressman Langevin for his intense concern about national security, not as a politician but as one who served not only his constituents but the nation. He worked across the aisle to serve the national good. Most importantly, he got things done. [6:18] Congressman Langevin left Congress in 2023. Before he left, he worked on the Cyber Solarium Commission, helped establish the office of the National Cyber Director, and helped establish some of the authorities that allowed DHS to build CISA. Congressman Langevin has retired to work on issues in the state of Rhode Island. [7:43] Resilience's Midyear 2023 Claims Report covers events from January through June of 2023. They wanted to report the data with actionable analysis on top of it. Besides Resilience claims data, they analyzed public data from other organizations to understand Resilience's data in the context of the broader cybercrime trends. [9:08] Third-party vendor risk has always been a concern. The change is that fewer and fewer companies are paying extortions to ransomware actors. So now groups are targeting critical vendors and running data extortions with thousands of victims. They don't encrypt. Resilience clients have filed incident reports on these attacks from Clop. [9:47] How do you protect against vendor risk? Risk transfer through cyber insurance is so important. Don't just look at the risk mitigation side, but also the risks out of your control. Insurance helps absorb environmental risks. With vendors, you can require that they prove verification from certain audits, like the SOC 2 Audit. [10:30] You can have vendors tell you best practices they follow with other clients. Are they practicing what they're preaching with their data security? You can limit the data you share with them. By just working with any vendor, which we all have to do, you are assuming their risk if they're holding your data and they're not your company. [11:22] The ransomware criminal marketplace is a bunch of startups, taking the easiest path to revenue. Running a negotiation, locking up a company, and ensuring that you get access to their backups all take a lot of time. [11:52] It is easier to target companies that have highly sensitive data they wouldn't want exposed and threaten to release it. Resilience sees a lower rate of payment for these types of attacks but those who pay, end up paying large amounts. The Moveit attack and following attacks are estimated to have made Clop around $100 million. [12:44] The Resilience report discusses data from other groups that show less than 40% of encryption victims are paying ransom, down from 80% in 2022. Resilience works to prepare their clients against ransomware attacks and about 15% of their clients attacked by ransomware pay the ransom. That number has gone down since 2022. [15:06] Resilience helps clients to imagine the worst day for their clients. Let's work backward to ensure that the worst day doesn't happen. That thinking has been core in helping companies reduce paying extortions. When executives pay extortions, it's usually in a panic, thinking they can make this worst day immediately go away. [15:49] If criminal groups have access to your data, they will do everything they can to use it against you. Prepare to protect that data in a way that is incredibly secure or resilient or make your organization resilient to this type of pressure. That's the best thing you can do to limit financial loss and protect your customers from their worst day. [16:21] RIMS plug time! Upcoming Virtual Workshops: Visit RIMS.org/virtualworkshops to see the full calendar. December 7th starts the three-part course, Leveraging Data and Analytics for Continuous Risk Management, which will be led by our friend Pat Saporito. [16:42] Fundamentals of Insurance returns on December 12th and 13th. It will be led by our good friend Gail Kyomura. Information about these sessions and others is on the RIMS Virtual Workshops page. Check it out and register! [16:59] Metrics That Matter has cyber on their minds with Enhance Decision-Making Across Your Cybersecurity Program on November 7th. CLARA Analytics makes its RIMS debut on November 9th with Risk Management in the Era of Artificial Intelligence. [17:22] On November 16th, Nationwide returns to present U.S. Customs Surety Bonds: A Primer for Risk Professionals. On November 21st, Beazley returns to present Business Risk: Helping Your Executives to Navigate Today's Volatile Risk Environment. [17:41] On December 12th, Prepare Yourself for the New Generation of Risk with Riskonnect. On December 14th, Aon will be Addressing Today's Risks While Preparing for the Risks of Tomorrow. [17:54] Visit RIMS.org/Webinars to learn more about these webinars and to register! Links are in the show notes. Webinar registration is complimentary for RIMS members. [19:01] After the Colonial Pipeline attack, the U.S. security establishment got much more serious about ransomware. Defense against cybercrime was something that had been left up to the private sector. The administration started to take cybercrime seriously and cooperate with industry, working with CISA and the FBI heavily to fight back. [19:48] When the War in Ukraine happened, the cooperation between the public and private sectors in the fight against ransomware intensified. As organizations have become more resilient against paying extortion, cybercriminals have to go after the big guys to get a payment. Cybercrime is indiscriminate between industries it targets. [20:29] In Q1, 2023 there was a tide of cybercrime targeting healthcare organizations. In Q2, there was a big tide against manufacturing organizations. Clop then hit a few vendors for educational organizations. Organizations like MGM and Caesar's which were hit, have massive networks full of devices they monitor, with different networks. [21:13] MGM refused to pay, while Caesar's paid the extortion. The reporting shows that Caesar's has had an easier road to recovery. It may make more economic sense for large companies to pay the extortion. But that's a bad message. That's what has Resilience concerned. More complex clients, though better defended, are likely to pay. [22:02] Groups like Clop are choosy about their targets and prioritize large organizations with a lot to lose. To successfully defend cyber in an enterprise, all the tech teams must work together and not remain siloed. Incentives have to come from the top that get the CIO, Risk, and Finance planning budgets together. It's how your team works together. [23:06] Davis served briefly on the National Security staff in the Obama Administration after working in Homeland Security. [23:22] After the Obama Administration, a lot of the National Security staff moved to the private sector. Some continued to fight the security fight. The CEO of Resilience is a part-time Reservist working in Cyberdefense. He sees the national-level mission and the larger cyber trends. [24:18] Most insurance is not operational; it's reactionary, working with prior data to price the risk. In cyber, you're too late if you're taking that approach. Resilience has a threat intelligence team, taking in data much faster than a traditional insurance organization. [25:07] Resilience is standing up a team that is working to provide technical analysis and trend analysis. They will show the large trends and the reasons they are happening, and validation from Resilience data and partner data. They're combining financial loss and impact with threat intelligence they are monitoring from the security team. [26:59] Davis says the tactic of encryptionless distortion is an evolution of the cybercrime business model, making it more efficient and effective. It's a call to action for security. Building better widgets will not out-innovate these guys. We have to build better strategies and better business models that take their business models down. [27:28] Resilience is working to build a better resilient flywheel, with insurance, visibility, and working with clients to address that will ultimately lead to lower financial loss for clients and the Resilience insurance company. They want to push the flywheel faster and faster until they can get inside the adversary's business model. [28:03] Special thanks again to Davis Hake for joining us on RIMScast. The link to the Midyear Report is in this episode's show notes. [28:13] Go to the App Store and download the RIMS App. This is a special members-only benefit. Everybody loves the RIMS App! [28:37] You can sponsor a RIMScast episode for this, our weekly show, or a dedicated episode. Links to sponsored episodes are in our show notes. RIMScast has a global audience of risk professionals, legal professionals, students, business leaders, C-Suite executives, and more. Let's collaborate! Contact pd@rims.org for more information. [29:21] Become a RIMS member and get access to the tools, thought leadership, and network you need to succeed. Visit RIMS.org/membership or email membershipdept@RIMS.org for more information. The RIMS app is available only for RIMS members! You can find it in the App Store. [29:46] Risk Knowledge is the RIMS searchable content library that provides relevant information for today's risk professionals. Materials include RIMS executive reports, survey findings, contributed articles, industry research, benchmarking data, and more. [30:02] For the best reporting on the profession of risk management, read Risk Management Magazine at RMMagazine.com and in print, and check out the blog at RiskManagementMonitor.com. Justin Smulison is Business Content Manager at RIMS. You can email Justin at Content@RIMS.org. [30:25] Thank you for your continued support and engagement on social media channels! We appreciate all your kind words. Listen every week! Stay safe!   Mentioned in this Episode: Riskworld 2024 — San Diego, CA | May 5–8, 2024 Embrace The Unknown: Unleashing the Power of Risk | Hosted Live & In-Person by RIMS NZ & PI | Feb 12, 2024 | Register early to save 18%​: Dan Kugler Risk Manager on Campus Grant RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) NEW FOR MEMBERS! RIMS Mobile App Resilience Midyear 2023 Claims Report RIMS Webinars: Enhance Decision-Making Across Your Cybersecurity Program | Sponsored by Metrics That Matter | Nov. 7, 2023 Risk Management in the Era of Artificial Intelligence | Sponsored by CLARA Analytics | Nov. 9, 2023 An Introduction to U. S. Custom Surety Bonds | Sponsored by Nationwide | Nov. 16, 2023 Business Risk: Helping your Executives Navigate Today's Volatile Risk Environment | Sponsored by Beazley | Nov. 21, 2023 Prepare Yourself for the New Generation of Risk | Sponsored by Riskonnect | Dec. 12, 2023 Addressing Today's Risks While Preparing for Tomorrow | Sponsored by Aon | Dec. 14, 2023 RIMS.org/Webinars Upcoming Virtual Workshops: Leveraging Data and Analytics for Continuous Risk Management | Dec 7 See the full calendar of RIMS Virtual Workshops All RIMS-CRMP Prep Workshops — Including Chris Mandel's Dec 13–14 Course Related RIMScast Episodes: “Cybersecurity Awareness Month 2023 with Pamela Hans of Anderson Kill” “Cybersecurity Reporting Updates with Hilary Tuttle of Risk Management Magazine” “Cybersecurity and Insurance Outlook 2023 with Josephine Wolff” “Genuine Generative AI Talk with Tom Wilde of Indico Data” “Getting to Know Jackware with Dan Healy of Anderson Kill” Sponsored RIMScast Episodes: “Cyclone Season: Proactive Preparation for Loss Minimization” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. (New!) “Subrogation and the Competitive Advantage” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyberrisk Outlook 2023” | Sponsored by Alliant “Chemical Industry: How To Succeed Amid Emerging Risks and a Challenging Market” | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD “Insuring the Future of the Environment” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Insights into the Gig Economy and its Contractors” | Sponsored by Zurich “The Importance of Disaster Planning Relationships” | Sponsored by ServiceMaster “Technology, Media and Telecom Solutions in 2023” | Sponsored by Allianz “Analytics in Action” | Sponsored by Alliant “Captive Market Outlook and Industry Insights” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Using M&A Insurance: The How and Why” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “Zurich's Construction Sustainability Outlook for 2023” “Aon's 2022 Atlantic Hurricane Season Overview” “ESG Through the Risk Lens” | Sponsored by Riskonnect “A Look at the Cyber Insurance Market” | Sponsored by AXA XL   RIMS Publications, Content, and Links: RIMS Membership — Whether you are a new member or need to transition, be a part of the global risk management community! RIMS Virtual Workshops On-Demand Webinars Risk Management Magazine Risk Management Monitor RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Stories — New interview featuring Darius Delon! Spencer Educational Foundation RIMS DEI Council   RIMS Events, Education, and Services: RIMS Risk Maturity Model® RIMS Events App Apple | Google Play RIMS Buyers Guide Sponsor RIMScast: Contact sales@rims.org or pd@rims.org for more information.   Want to Learn More? Keep up with the podcast on RIMS.org and listen on Apple Podcasts.   Have a question or suggestion? Email: Content@rims.org.   Join the Conversation! Follow @RIMSorg on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.   About our guest Davis Hake Co-Founder of Resilience   Tweetables (Edited For Social Media Use): Instead of encryption for ransom, it is easier to target companies that have highly sensitive data they wouldn't want to be exposed and threaten to release it. — Davis Hake   Most insurance is not operational; it's reactionary, working with past data to price the risk. In cyber, you're too late if you're taking that approach. — Davis Hake   The current tactic of encryptionless distortion is an evolution of the cybercrime business model, making it more efficient and effective. It's a call to action for security. — Davis Hake    

Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   In this episode, Justin interviews Merline Barrington, ERM Manager for the Port Authority of NY and NJ, who will be a speaker at the RIMS ERM Conference 2023 on the morning of Friday, November 3rd. Justin and Merline discuss Merline's career path, what her passion is, and how it led her to the Port Authority. She speaks of the benefits she gains from her CRMP certification and gives us a glimpse of what to expect from her session on Nov. 3, at the RIMS ERM Conference 2023.   Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMScast. [:14] These are the final days to register for the RIMS ERM Conference 2023, in Denver, Colorado on November 2nd–3rd. Visit RIMS.org/ERM2023 and listen to this episode to hear the online-only code you can use to save 10% off your registration at checkout! [:46] About today's episode, where we will discuss ERM and transportation with Merline Barrington of the Port Authority of NY and NJ. Merline will be a presenter at the ERM Conference 2023. [1:06] The RIMS ERM Conference 2023 will be held in Denver, Colorado on November 2nd and 3rd. Visit RIMS.org/ERM2023 to view the agenda. At checkout, if you type code 2023RIMSCAST, all one word with no spaces, you will receive 10% off your registration. [1:27] The ERM Conference 2023 will be different than years past. We've got some great changes. Book your travel plans now! RIMS will host a Post-conference Workshop for the RIMS CRMP from 9:00 to 4:00 MT on November 4th and 5th. Save $100 when you register for the conference and workshop in one transaction. Links are in the notes. [1:58] My guest today, Merline Barrington, is the Manager of Enterprise Risk Management for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. On November 3rd, she will be leading one of the breakout sessions at 9:00 a.m., titled “Connecting ERM to Strategy: Tackling Strategic Risks a Deep Dive at a Time.” [2:20] Merline is also a CRMP holder and a lot of fun to speak with. Let's get started! Justin welcomes Merline Barrington to RIMScast! [2:32] Justin and Merline met last year at the RIMS ERM Conference 2022 in Indianapolis. Merline was a very excited attendee. Justin picked up on that enthusiasm and suggested Merline should submit a session. Today, they will talk about the session Merline will do for RIMS ERM Conference 2023. [3:13] Merline Barrington's session for RIMS ERM Conference 2023 is called “Connecting ERM to Strategy: Tackling Strategic Risks a Deep Dive at a Time,” on November 3rd, kicking off the Friday morning sessions. Merlin is more excited than nervous about it! [3:34] Justin was fascinated with Merline's position at the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. She is the lead for ERM. The ERM unit is a small, nimble, central group with dotted line connections up, down, and across the enterprise to areas that are indirectly or directly responsible for ERM risks to their business and objectives. [4:35] As a Certified Risk Management Professional (CRMP), Merline is responsible for leading and innovatively developing an ERM program designed to proactively manage business, operational, emerging, and strategic risks to this very complex, quasi-government, bi-state organization. [4:55] The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey spans several global business segments altogether valued at several billion dollars. Merline's work includes determining the agency's ERM framework and architecture, and integrating risk intelligence with key functions such as strategic planning and resource allocation.  [5:21] Merline also works with partners in different lines of defense, such as audit and insurance. All of this is ultimately to inform decision-making and to provide that holistic view and understanding of significant risks to executive and board-level audiences. [5:39] Merline works with various levels of the enterprise, from the most senior executive levels to the front-line staff to proactively identify and manage risk via workshops, risk control self-assessments (RCSA), and other techniques. [5:57] Importantly, Merline's job also includes developing and mentoring practitioners on her team and indirect team members throughout the organization to deliver on its program's value proposition. [6:32] Merline discusses the value proposition of ERM. If you take the time to craft an honest and accurate value proposition for the brand of ERM of your organization and consider what your key audience expects from ERM, you can develop a cascading message where the core remains the same but there are different levels of zooming in. [8:06] The Port Authority is responsible for transportation by land, water, air, and roadways. This includes the major airports in the New York-New Jersey region, and one in upper New York: LaGuardia, JFK, Newark, and National Airports. It includes the seaport, marine terminals, bus terminals, bridges, tunnels, and commuter rail pass. [9:31] The Port Authority also has some real estate in Lower Manhattan. If you're in or around New York or New Jersey, you touch a Port Authority asset, one way or another, [10:02] Merline explains what brought her to the Port Authority. She has a passion for public service. She earned a spot in the agency's competitive management program for grad students. She touched many areas of the agency, which piqued her interest in a career in an area where she could leverage her skills to improve public service. [10:41] Merline's career at a transportation provider led her to risk by providing an avenue to build her career in an area that is purposed to protect routine, mature organizational value. That is ERM. Following her passions in what she is good at is what led Merline to ERM. She wants to make public institutions better with her skills. [11:21] This is Merline's 10th year at the Port Authority. [11:50] RIMS plug time! Justin sends a quick shoutout to the RIMS New Zealand and Pacific Island Chapter and Marsh Australia and New Zealand, who welcome you to “Embrace the Unknown, Unleashing the Power of Risk.” This is a one-day session on February 12th, 2024 at the Pullman Hotel in Auckland, New Zealand. [12:13] It will be a gathering of experts, thought leaders, and professionals from various industries to explore and discuss the critical role of risk management in today's dynamic and uncertain world. There are sessions about AI, resilience, and adaptability, highlighted by case studies and insights. A link is on this episode's notes. [12:35] Upcoming Virtual Workshops: Visit RIMS.org/virtualworkshops to see the full calendar. Our friend Chris Hansen was recently on RIMScast. He will be leading Managing Worker Compensation, Employer's Liability, and Employment Practices in the US on November 7th and 8th. Be sure to register for that course! [13:03] December 7th starts the three-part course, Leveraging Data and Analytics for Continuous Risk Management, which will be led by our friend Pat Saporito. [13:15] Information about these sessions and others is on the RIMS Virtual Workshops page. Check it out and register! [13:24] On October 31st, Resolver returns to present Building Your Business Case for GRC Software in 2024. Metrics That Matter has Enhanced Decision-Making Across Your Cybersecurity Program on November 7. CLARA Analytics makes its RIMS debut on November 9th with Risk Management in the Era of Artificial Intelligence. [13:56] On November 16th, Nationwide returns to present U.S. Customs Surety Bonds: A Primer for Risk Professionals. On November 21st, Beazley returns to present Business Risk: Helping Your Executives to Navigate Today's Volatile Risk Environment. [14:15] On December 12th, Prepare Yourself for the New Generation of Risk with Riskonnect. On December 14th, Aon will be Addressing Today's Risks While Preparing for the Risks of Tomorrow. [14:28] Visit RIMS.org/Webinars to learn more about these webinars and to register! Links are in the show notes. Webinar registration is complimentary for RIMS members. [14:49] Generally speaking, organizations of similar size or depth to the Port Authority may be experiencing a confluence of strategic risks, such as cybersecurity meets climate change, and the need to adopt digital and climate-friendly technology at a balanced rate, so as not to exceed the adoption curve, while attracting the right talent. [15:41] Merline believes organizations are having to grapple with the introspection of these risk areas, compounded by a volatile global and economic context. The ability to interpret uncertainty before it fully emerges is relevant to organizational strategy. Being able to measure the potential impact is critical to the success of any organization. [16:25] Merline advises organizations and travelers to book flights early and plan ahead. Have a Plan B. See if your destination is also served by rail or other modes of transport since things are unpredictable. If your flight doesn't work out, you have another plan. [17:44] Merline's RIMS CRMP certification has added much value to how she approaches ERM in the organization, especially in how she develops new staff. It helps when mentoring staff to be able to point to specific principles and research to delve into to become a better RMP and communicate how said principles enrich the work they do. [18:26] Merline earned her RIMS CRMP about two years ago. She was attending the conference where she met Justin as a way to gather credits toward recertification. Merline has a lot of interest in ERM and AI and data analytics and ERM.  [19:28] All roads lead to the further integration of ERM and strategy, using all the developing emerging technologies of AI, data, etc. ERM is to get better insights and get ahead of the curve to bring meaningful dialog to the attention of decision-makers and facilitate decision-making based on a thorough understanding of data and analytics. [20:14] Merline Harrington shares her CRMP story in a link in this episode's show notes. [20:21] Merline's ERM session will be one of the first Conference breakouts of November 3rd, “Connecting ERM to Strategy: Tackling Strategic Risks a Deep Dive at a Time.” Merline is excited to share a bit of the journey of her ERM practice at the Port Authority, sharing her wins and lessons learned that turned into tactics and techniques. [21:31] Merline will be highlighting some of the turning points, all of which happened at a complex organization while engaging several different types of businesses, which added complexity to her work. [21:54] Merline is eager to have this conversation on ERM starting with COSO's updated version of the ERM Framework in 2016‒2017, explicitly tying what we do to strategy setting, strategy execution, and strategy monitoring. And then the hard work came in of planning how to do it. Everyone has their own flavor or path of ERM. [22:32] If a person can walk away from the session with a helpful technique or two Merline will think she has been successful. Justin will try to jump into Merline's session first thing in the morning. [22:58] Justin tells Merline Barrington it's a real pleasure to see her again, and looks forward to seeing her later this week in Denver. [22:19] Special thanks again to Merline Barrington of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey for joining me on RIMScast. I have a link to her CRMP story on this episode's show notes. She'll be kicking things off for us on November 3rd at the RIMS ERM Conference 2023 in Denver, Colorado. [23:40] Last call for registration, folks. Visit RIMS.org/ERM2023. Register today, We want to see you there! [23:48] Go to the App Store and download the RIMS App. This is a special members-only benefit. Everybody loves the RIMS App! [24:10] You can sponsor a RIMScast episode for this, our weekly show, or a dedicated episode. Links to sponsored episodes are in our show notes. RIMScast has a global audience of risk professionals, legal professionals, students, business leaders, C-Suite executives, and more. Let's collaborate! Contact pd@rims.org for more information. [24:54] Become a RIMS member and get access to the tools, thought leadership, and network you need to succeed. Visit RIMS.org/membership or email membershipdept@RIMS.org for more information. The RIMS app is available only for RIMS members! You can find it in the App Store. [25:20] Risk Knowledge is the RIMS searchable content library that provides relevant information for today's risk professionals. Materials include RIMS executive reports, survey findings, contributed articles, industry research, benchmarking data, and more. [25:36] For the best reporting on the profession of risk management, read Risk Management Magazine at RMMagazine.com and in print, and check out the blog at RiskManagementMonitor.com. Justin Smulison is Business Content Manager at RIMS. You can email Justin at Content@RIMS.org. [25:58] Justin thanks you for your continued support and engagement on social media channels! We appreciate all your kind words. Listen every week! Stay safe!   Mentioned in this Episode: RIMS ERM Conference 2023 | Nov 2–3 in Denver, CO! Enter 2023RIMSCAST at checkout for 10% off registration! Embrace The Unknown: Unleashing the Power of Risk | Hosted Live & In-Person by RIMS NZ & PI | Feb 12, 2024 | Register early to save 18%​: Dan Kugler Risk Manager on Campus Grant RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) NEW FOR MEMBERS! RIMS Mobile App Merline Barrington's RIMS-CRMP Story RIMS Webinars: Building Your Business Case for GRC Software in 2024 | Sponsored by Resolver | Oct. 31, 2023 Enhance Decision-Making Across Your Cybersecurity Program | Sponsored by Metrics That Matter | Nov. 7, 2023 Risk Management in the Era of Artificial Intelligence | Sponsored by CLARA Analytics | Nov. 9, 2023 An Introduction to U.S. Custom Surety Bonds | Sponsored by Nationwide | Nov. 16, 2023 Business Risk: Helping your Executives Navigate Today's Volatile Risk Environment | Sponsored by Beazley | Nov. 21, 2023 Prepare Yourself for the New Generation of Risk | Sponsored by Riskonnect | Dec. 12, 2023 Addressing Today's Risks While Preparing for Tomorrow | Sponsored by Aon | Dec. 14, 2023 RIMS.org/Webinars Upcoming Virtual Workshops: Captives as an Alternate Risk Financing Technique | Nov 1 Managing Worker Compensation, Employer's Liability and Employment Practices in the US | Nov 7 Leveraging Data and Analytics for Continuous Risk Management | Dec 7 See the full calendar of RIMS Virtual WorkshopsAll RIMS-CRMP Prep Workshops – Including Chris Mandel's Dec 13-14 Course Related RIMScast Episodes: “Harnessing Innovation's Promise with ERM Conference Keynote Bob Roitblat” “ERM's Value Proposition with Chris Mandel” “ERM in Banking & Finance with Eleni Willis” “Emerging Risks and Board Reporting with Suzanne Christensen” Sponsored RIMScast Episodes: Cyclone Season: Proactive Preparation for Loss Minimization | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. (New!) “Subrogation and the Competitive Advantage” | Sponsored by Fleet Response “Cyberrisk Outlook 2023” | Sponsored by Alliant “Chemical Industry: How To Succeed Amid Emerging Risks and a Challenging Market” | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD “Insuring the Future of the Environment” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Insights into the Gig Economy and its Contractors” | Sponsored by Zurich “The Importance of Disaster Planning Relationships” | Sponsored by ServiceMaster “Technology, Media and Telecom Solutions in 2023” | Sponsored by Allianz “Analytics in Action” | Sponsored by Alliant “Captive Market Outlook and Industry Insights” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Using M&A Insurance: The How and Why” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “Zurich's Construction Sustainability Outlook for 2023” “Aon's 2022 Atlantic Hurricane Season Overview” “ESG Through the Risk Lens” | Sponsored by Riskonnect “A Look at the Cyber Insurance Market” | Sponsored by AXA XL   RIMS Publications, Content, and Links: RIMS Membership — Whether you are a new member or need to transition, be a part of the global risk management community! RIMS Virtual Workshops On-Demand Webinars Risk Management Magazine Risk Management Monitor RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Stories — New interview featuring Darius Delon! Spencer Educational Foundation RIMS DEI Council   RIMS Events, Education, and Services: RIMS Risk Maturity Model® RIMS Events App Apple | Google Play RIMS Buyers Guide Sponsor RIMScast: Contact sales@rims.org or pd@rims.org for more information.   Want to Learn More? Keep up with the podcast on RIMS.org and listen on Apple Podcasts.   Have a question or suggestion? Email: Content@rims.org.   Join the Conversation! Follow @RIMSorg on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.   About our guest Merline Barrington ERM Manager for the Port Authority of NY and NJ   Tweetables (Edited For Social Media Use): As a Certified RMP, I am responsible for leading and innovatively developing an ERM program designed to proactively manage business, operational, emerging, and strategic risks to this very complex, quasi-government, bi-state organization. — Merline Barrington   I work with various levels of the enterprise, from the senior executive levels to the front-line staff to proactively identify and manage risk via workshops, risk control self-assessments (RCSA), and other techniques. — Merline Barrington   If a person can walk away from the session with a helpful technique or two, then I think I would have been successful. — Merline Barrington    

Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society. While ERM can fit any organization, it is also different for every organization. How do you translate ERM from your previous organization to your new one? What areas of synergy might you have, and how do you navigate different governance structures and cultures? This session will provide insight from different perspectives and companies to demonstrate how you can implement a successful ERM program wherever you go. In this episode, Justin interviews three guests: Sandra Fontenot, Manager of Risk Management at Omnicell, Alison Sweeney, Vice President and Fine Art Expert, and Michelle Stegmann, Vice President of Claims, both of Distinguished Fine Art & Collectibles. Justin and Sandra discuss her ERM career and her upcoming ERM Conference Session on Nov 3. Then Justin interviews Alison Sweeney and Michelle Stegmann about insuring fine art and their experiences in it.   Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMScast. [:14] Register for the RIMS ERM Conference 2023, which will be held in Denver, Colorado on November 2nd–3rd. RIMS will also host an ERM-based tour of Ball Arena in Denver on November 1st. Limited seating is available. Visit RIMS.org/ERM to register and listen to this episode to hear the code for 10% off your registration! [:41] About today's episode where we will first talk about ERM and then get into a discussion about fine art and risk. [1:01] All about exciting, upcoming RIMS events! The Spencer-RIMS Risk Management Challenge is a six-month competition for university students where teams compete to develop and present the most comprehensive risk management report based on a case study. [1:19] Eight teams will present their findings at RISKWORLD 2024 in San Diego, California to a panel of risk management professionals. The top three teams will be awarded cash prizes and recognized at the Spencer reception and during the  RISKWORLD Conference Finale. This is our annual international student competition. [1:39] Full details can be found on the Spencer website at Spencered.org. The application period closes on October 31st, 2023. Get involved; participate. We hope to see you at RISKWORLD! [1:52] The RIMS Legislative Summit is returning to Washington, D.C. on October 25th and 26th. Visit RIMS.org/Advocacy to register. [2:04] The RIMS ERM Conference 2023 will be held November 2nd and 3rd in Denver, Colorado. On November 1st, RIMS is hosting an ERM-based tour of Ball Arena, where the Denver Nuggets and Denver Avalanche play. There is limited seating. Register at RIMS.org/ERM2023. At checkout, type code 2023RIMSCAST for 10% off registration! [2:52] The ERM Conference 2023 will be different than years past. We've got some great changes. Book your travel plans now! RIMS will host a Post-conference Workshop for the RIMS CRMP from 9:00 to 4:00 MT on November 4th and 5th. Save $100 when you register for the conference and workshop in one transaction. Links are in the notes. [3:22] My first guest, Sandra Fontenot, is an ERM Manager for Omnicell in Texas. She was a recipient of the ERM Award of Distinctions Honorable Mention in 2021 for her work at Dallas Fort Worth International Airport. [3:39] We will hear a bit about Sandra's career and the session that she will co-present at the RIMS ERM Conference on November 3rd, titled “ERM: Same Process, Different Organization.” Sandra Fontenot, welcome to RIMScast! [4:43] Sandra is the Manager of Risk Management at Omnicell, an autonomous pharmacy company. Omnicell works with hospitals and pharmacies, providing pharmacy staffing, software, and robotic dispensing machinery to make sure the right patient gets the right medication at the right time. Omnicell is global, based in Texas. [6:18] Sandra describes her past work at DFW Airport. A month-and-a-half after she started there, DFW went on lockdown during COVID-19. It gave Sandra the opportunity to learn the ins and outs of the airport while working in a hybrid situation. It also opened opportunities for construction and improvements to the facility. [7:30] In 2021, DFW Airport was awarded the RIMS Global Award of Distinction for its Enterprise Risk Management program. Sandra describes how that came to pass. The infrastructure of an airport is like a city. It all has to run from the roads to the water to the bathroom tissues and the concessions. It has a police department. [10:26] Sandra will be one of three presenters of a session at RIMS ERM Conference 2023, on November 3rd, called “ERM: Same Process, Different Organization.” One co-presenter, Trisha Sqrow, worked with Sandra at DWF Airport. Their presentation states that no matter what your enterprise is, the ERM process is typically the same. [11:01] You have to make sure that you have a process in place to look at risks and opportunities and determine the likelihood and the potential financial impact of each risk or opportunity. The basis and principle are the same wherever you are. Risk professionals in ERM network and share ideas at ERM conferences. [12:14] Sandra's presentation will be on November 3rd at the RIMS ERM Conference 2023 in Denver, Colorado. [12:31] When Sandra started at Omnicell, they had rolled out their first ERM survey the previous year. Now they are doing deeper dive conversations, adding onto that survey, and putting together a Risk Council. Sandra says she is a department of one-and-a-half, including the support and guidance of her great manager. [13:38] Sandra is also looking forward to being an ERM Square. ERM Squares is the new conference finale! It will feature nine seasoned risk professionals answering questions that students will then agree or disagree with. At the end of ERM Squares, there will be a raffle for a complimentary registration to RISKWORLD 2024 for an audience member. [15:57] RIMS plug time! RIMS wants you to submit your nomination for Risk Manager of the Year 2024. This prestigious award recognizes outstanding performance in the practice of risk management and will be presented at RISKWORLD 2024. Individuals must be RIMS members in good standing if they are selected to receive this award. [16:22] You are also required to be a member to win any future award. Part 1 Nominations for the 2024 Risk Manager of the Year program are due by October 27th. Check the link in this episode's show notes for more information and to view the guidelines for submission and judging criteria. [16:42] Upcoming Virtual Workshops: Visit RIMS.org/virtualworkshops to see the full calendar. Our friend Chris Hansen was recently on RIMScast. He will be leading Managing Worker Compensation, Employer's Liability, and Employment Practices in the US on November 7th and 8th. Be sure to register for that course! [17:16] Information about these sessions and others is on the RIMS Virtual Workshops page. Check it out and register! [17:24] On October 26th, our friends from Zurich North America return to present PFAS Forever Chemicals – Regulations, Litigation, New Technologies. On October 31st, Resolver returns to present Building Your Business Case for GRC Software in 2024. [17:49] Metrics That Matter has Enhanced Decision-Making Across Your Cybersecurity Program on November 7. CLARA Analytics makes its RIMS debut with Risk Management in the Era of Artificial Intelligence. [18:08] On November 21st, Beazley returns to present Business Risk: Helping Your Executives to Navigate Today's Volatile Risk Environment. On December 12th, Prepare Yourself for the New Generation of Risk with Riskonnect. On December 14th, Aon will be Addressing Today's Risks While Preparing for Tomorrow. [18:32] Visit RIMS.org/Webinars to learn more about these webinars and to register! Links are in the show notes. Webinar registration is complimentary for RIMS members. [18:46] National Fine Art Appreciation Day is celebrated annually on October 25th. My next guests, Michelle Stegmann and Alison Sweeney, from the Distinguished Fine Art and Collectibles Group at Distinguished Programs, paint some broad strokes for us about how fine art and risk management intersect.  [19:09] Michelle Stegmann and Alison Sweeney, welcome to RIMScast! [19:44] Michelle is a 30-year claims veteran and an attorney. She has been with large carriers including CNA, Clemen Forster, and Firemans Fund/Allianz, and in the programs space, working with MGAs and now with an MGA, Distinguished Programs, on their fine art and collectibles team. Michelle has a huge passion and love for the arts space. [20:38] Before joining Distinguished Programs, Alison was a fine art underwriter for AXA XL. Before that, she was a broker in the fine art space for eight years. For nine years before that, Alison worked in art appraisals, doing risk assessments and evaluations and working on claims. Alison is passionate about art and has a master's in art history. [21:52] Alison explains that commercial fine art policy is a property policy on items of a fine art nature, and antiques, jewelry, silver, rugs, and more that you might collect that have value. Art is subjective. For an insurance policy, it is something unique or unusual that has a market value and is replaceable. [22:47] The policy makes the client whole by restoration or replacement of the item with one of similar value or as close to restoration or replacement as is possible. [23:23] Michelle describes types of fine art policies for galleries, owners, collectors, and museums. [24:05] Michelle lists use cases to show the value of a fine art policy to an organization or a collector. Many objects that have important value to the people who belong to an institution can be covered. [25:07] The large majority of claims are not dramatic theft claims but damage or loss of the piece during transit; water damage from a burst pipe; damage from humidity, fire, or smoke; vandalism, linked to climate change protests; outdoor sculptures being subjected to the elements; natural catastrophic disasters; or accidental breakage. [27:22] A total loss is quite uncommon, except in a fire. Much more frequently there are partial losses where something needs to be repaired to be restored to its original condition. [27:51] In a partial loss, you may get the call while the loss is in progress. The first step is to make sure the artwork is removed from the dangerous situation to prevent further damage. When the situation is stabilized, you get a conservator involved to look at the piece, assess what needs to be done to repair it, and come up with a treatment plan. [28:49] If the artist is living, the claims adjuster will confer with the artist under the Visual Artists Rights Act (VARA) in America which gives artists the moral right to ensure that the essential meaning and intent of the piece is preserved even after sale, and make sure that the artist is on board with the treatment plan. [29:14] Once everything aligns, the treatment plan is commenced and the piece is restored. Then there is an assessment done to determine if there's any diminution in the value. Then there is a determination on whether any payments would appropriately issue. Finally, the claim is concluded and the restored piece is returned to the owner. [29:56] Alison reveals that the greatest number of claims the industry has seen in recent years was the result of Superstorm Sandy. There was a huge inundation of water in Chelsea, where a lot of galleries and storage facilities were based. It impacted a huge number of commercial galleries. It took many years to sort through insurance claims. [30:32] As a result of Superstorm Sandy, people have become more cautious about basement storage. A stillage warranty requires maintaining property a certain number of inches off the ground. There has been a huge embrace of water sensors that alert the owner to any sort of inundation from pipes or flooding, to get in and remove property. [31:17] Michelle relates the story of the Picasso painting, Le Rêve, which was owned by casino magnate Steven Wynn in New York and sold to hedge fund manager Stephen Cohen in 2006 for a record $139 million. Before the transfer, when showing it to Nora Ephron and Barbara Walters, Wynn accidentally put his elbow through the painting. [32:22] This resulted in a six-inch tear. The tear was repaired by an insurance carrier for $90 thousand. The painting sold again in 2013 to Stephen Cohen for a record $155 million. Damage to a piece of art doesn't necessarily cause diminution in value. [33:19] Alison addresses fine art insurance trends. Since COVID-19, art fairs, where multiple galleries exhibit, have been picking up again. Galleries have also made a big pivot to online sales, growing into new markets. That means an increase in transits and smaller sales. It leads to a change in the way to approach transit insurance. [34:21] Michelle talks about dealing with reputable shippers and packers who know how to pack fine art. There has been an increase in people moving, and moving their personal items as well as their fine art. They must make sure the company they work with is very well-versed in how to move art. [35:02] In 2019, Justin covered an event for RIMS, called The Business of Art. Alison was there. She remembers people coming up with creative and interesting questions. Events like that show what insurance industry professionals who don't work in fine art are interested in. She hopes to attend more events like that soon. [37:17] Michelle reflects on her career. From a claims perspective, this is exactly where she planned to be when she started. She was always interested in helping people solve their problems and fix something that had gone awry. That is also what attracted her to the law. [37:49] In the fine arts space, people have an emotional connection to these pieces of beauty which means that there's a human interaction that can't be downplayed in the claims process, in facilitating that and making sure they get to where they need to be. [38:00] Alison didn't know when she started studying art history that there was a world in which you could be an advisor in an insurance capacity. She feels extremely fortunate to have this position to help people with the collections they are personally invested in. The items very often are family heirlooms. [38:55] Alison has seen a huge trend in businesses toward maintaining a cloud-based management system for their collection. Having a photo document accessible with details on the location of the property, the values, and the dimensions is a gift. It's great, from an insurance perspective to access that. [39:28] Happy National Fine Art Day to you both! It's been such a pleasure to have you hear on RIMScast. There is a link to an article from Distinguished on this episode's notes. Hopefully, we see you at another fine art event in the city, and not put our elbows accidentally through anything and create a six-inch tear! [40:00] Special thanks again to all of my guests. I have a link to an article from Distinguished about fine art and risk management. I've also got a link to RIMS coverage, including a piece I wrote, covering a fine art and risk management event in 2019. See the links in this episode's show notes. [49:17] Go to the App Store and download the RIMS App. This is a special members-only benefit. Everybody loves the RIMS App! [40:37] You can sponsor a RIMScast episode for this, our weekly show, or a dedicated episode. Links to sponsored episodes are in our show notes. RIMScast has a global audience of risk professionals, legal professionals, students, business leaders, C-Suite executives, and more. Let's collaborate! Contact pd@rims.org for more information. [41:20] Become a RIMS member and get access to the tools, thought leadership, and network you need to succeed. Visit RIMS.org/membership or email membershipdept@RIMS.org for more information. The RIMS app is available only for RIMS members! You can find it in the App Store. [41:44] Risk Knowledge is the RIMS searchable content library that provides relevant information for today's risk professionals. Materials include RIMS executive reports, survey findings, contributed articles, industry research, benchmarking data, and more. [42:00] For the best reporting on the profession of risk management, read Risk Management Magazine at RMMagazine.com and in print, and check out the blog at RiskManagementMonitor.com. Justin Smulison is Business Content Manager at RIMS. You can email Justin at Content@RIMS.org. [42:21] Justin thanks you for your continued support and engagement on social media channels! We appreciate all your kind words. Listen every week! Stay safe!   Mentioned in this Episode: RIMS ERM Conference 2023 | Nov 2–3 in Denver, CO! Enter 2023RIMSCAST at checkout for 10% off registration! RIMS Legislative Summit — Oct 25 & 26, Washington, D.C. Dan Kugler Risk Manager on Campus Grant Spencer-RIMS Risk Management Challenge 2024 — Be a Case Study or Join Judging Panel! RIMScast to receive the 2023 Excellence in MarCom Award from the New York Society of Association Executives (NYSAE)! RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) Nominate someone to RIMS 2024 Risk Manager of the Year or another RIMS award NEW FOR MEMBERS! RIMS Mobile App Fine Art coverage: “The Risky ‘Business of Art' Explored at Observer Event” | Risk Management Monitor “The Intrinsic Beauty of Risk Management” | Risk Management Magazine “Protecting the Priceless” | Risk Management Magazine “Understanding Fine Art and Collectibles Insurance by Distinguished” | Distinguished Fine Art & Collectibles Insurance RIMS Webinars: PFAS Forever Chemicals — Regulations, Litigation, New Technologies | Sponsored by Zurich | Oct. 26, 2023 Building Your Business Case for GRC Software in 2024 | Sponsored by Resolver | Oct. 31, 2023 Enhance Decision-Making Across Your Cybersecurity Program | Sponsored by Metrics That Matter | Nov. 7, 2023 Risk Management in the Era of Artificial Intelligence | Sponsored by CLARA Analytics | Nov. 9, 2023 An Introduction to U. S. 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RIMS Virtual Workshops On-Demand Webinars Risk Management Magazine Risk Management Monitor RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Stories — New interview featuring Darius Delon! Spencer Educational Foundation RIMS DEI Council   RIMS Events, Education, and Services: RIMS Risk Maturity Model® RIMS Events App Apple | Google Play RIMS Buyers Guide Sponsor RIMScast: Contact sales@rims.org or pd@rims.org for more information.   Want to Learn More? Keep up with the podcast on RIMS.org and listen on Apple Podcasts.   Have a question or suggestion? Email: Content@rims.org.   Join the Conversation! Follow @RIMSorg on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.   About our guests Sandra FontenotManager, Risk Management at Omnicell   Alison Sweeney Vice President and Fine Art Expert, Distinguished Fine Art & Collectibles   Michelle Stegmann Vice President of Claims, Distinguished Fine Art & Collectibles   Distinguished.com/blog   Tweetables (Edited For Social Media Use): DFW Airport is a mini-city within itself. We did have our own police department, so we made sure that they were able to get back and forth to work and scheduled overnight housing at hotels for them. — Sandra Fontenot   In the fine arts space, people have an emotional connection to these pieces of beauty which means there's a human interaction that can't be downplayed in the claims process, in facilitating that and making sure they get to where they need to be. — Michelle Stegmann   I didn't know when I started studying art history that there was a world in which you could be an advisor in an insurance capacity. I feel extremely fortunate to have this position to help people with the collections they are invested in; often heirlooms. — Alison Sweeney  

When you attend a conference like DRJ Fall, there are two ways to learn. You can go to sessions, workshops and panel discussions. And you can listen to vendors in the exhibit hall. In this wrap of DRJ Fall 2023, I decided to talk to the vendors. Hello everyone and welcome to episode 101 of the Resilient Journey podcast, presented by the Resilience Think Tank. This week I want to take you on a journey inside the exhibit hall of DRJ Fall 2023. We'll hear from Bob Arnold and folks from Iluminr, Riskonnect, Infinite Blue, Alert Media, Simple Life and even the BCI. It's fun learning about different products that are available to help make your organizations and clients more resilient. Be sure to follow The Resilient Journey!  We sure do appreciate it! Learn more about the Resilience Think Tank here. Want to learn more about Mark? Click here or on LinkedIn or Twitter. Special thanks to Bensound for the music.

On episode 81 of PSQH: The Podcast, Stephanie Mercado, CEO and Executive Director of the National Association of Healthcare Quality, talks about the need for improved healthcare workforce competency. This episode is presented as part of Health Risk Management Week by Origami Risk and Riskonnect.

Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   Leaders of RIMS's flagship publication, Risk Management Magazine, rejoin RIMScast. Morgan O'Rourke is Publications Director at RIMS and the magazine's editor in chief and Hilary Tuttle is the managing editor.   In this first of two interviews, they discuss recent wildfire smoke and air quality and other emerging risks, risk terms that help and hinder efforts, and what they are looking for in the way of written contributions from risk managers for the magazine.   Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMScast. [:27] About today's episode: a discussion of Pride Month and LGBTQIA+ initiatives in the risk profession with a leader from the Rainbow Risk Alliance. [:36] All about upcoming RIMS webinars, and more! [1:07] The RIMS Canada Conference 2023 has been announced for September 11th‒14th in Ottowa! Visit RIMSCanadaConference.ca for more information. [1:24] On September 14th, the Spencer Educational Foundation returns to New York City for its Annual Funding Their Future Gala. The event will be held at the Cipriani on 42nd Street. A link is on this episode's notes. You can also visit SpencerEd.org. [1:41] Head to the RIMS.org/Advocacy page to find information about The RIMS Legislative Summit, which is returning to Washington, D.C. on October 25th and 26th. [1:55] Be on the lookout for the call for submissions for the RIMS ERM Conference, which will be held November 2nd and 3rd in Denver, Colorado! The first call for submissions was emailed in early June. Remember to check your spam box! There is a link to the web version in this episode's notes. [2:13] RIMS is partnering with Conrad Clark Nigeria for a RIMS CRMP Exam Prep virtual workshop Saturdays in July: July 1st, 8th, and 15th. Start your RIMS CRMP journey today! The link is in the show notes. [2:34] Justin is rejoined today with Morgan O'Rourke and Hilary Tuttle, who are the journalistic forces behind the award-winning RIMS publication Risk Management Magazine. Morgan is the RIMS publication director and editor-in-chief of the magazine. Hilary is the managing editor of the magazine and ace reporter. [2:54] This is the first part of a two-part interview. It's a mid-year update with talk about the risk news of the day and what's trending and insight for listeners who want to contribute to the magazine on how to pitch and find out what Hilary and Morgan are looking for. Justin welcomes Morgan and Hilary back to RIMScast. [3:20] Justin introduces Morgan O'Rourke and Hilary Tuttle. The last time they were on the RIMScast was at the end of 2022 with a retrospective of the year. Justin invited them back mid-year to see how things are going in 2023 and take the risk temperature. [4:17] Since her last visit to RIMScast, Hilary has become Managing Editor of the magazine. [4:38] What are the trends in risk management so far in 2023? Morgan notes shootings in the headlines. He borrows a term, Polycrisis, from the Global Risk Report 2023. It's not just all the things happening but their interactions. For instance, storm season may be complicated by inflation, supply chain issues, and lingering post-pandemic issues. [6:01] Hilary sees more complexity to risks. The complexity comes from the different velocities of risks or factors such as the development of technology. Technology changes the velocity of risk. Replacement costs are higher for cars that are more advanced. The supply chain is more complex. Chips come from fewer places. [7:00] Technology is making standard risks a lot more complicated and expensive. There is a more complicated picture of what it means to return to “business as usual” after the pandemic. There are more factors involved to get back to what was usual. [7:48] Hilary doesn't like the term “new normal.” It's a cliché. Everyone's “normal” is not the same. The phrase accepts a certain level of death or harm to other people as a cost of doing business. Dismissing it as normal is not respectful of others. And we're all at a different normal. There is no normal. Morgan notes that it's an imprecise shorthand. [9:32] Most risk management reporting today has a technology tie-in. Technology is a core component of how we do business and how we experience risk. It's not reinventing the wheel every time, but it's levels of complexity each of the time. [10:17] Does Hilary enjoy reporting over and over on cyber? She does enjoy reporting on cyber a lot of the time. It gets to be the same old thing at a point. Reading about new ransomware attacks is interesting but sometimes it's not something she'll cover soon. [12:31] For days, wildfire smoke from Canada caused dangerous smoke levels on the U.S. East Coast. It was an orange haze. Many had to stay indoors. The worst-ever air quality day is now in New York. West Coasters have struggled with that for much longer periods. New York was worse and entirely unexpected. It's hard to manage. [15:40] Morgan feels for the employees in the next town from the wildfires. How do businesses keep their employees safe from so much smoke and sustain their business? And the fires are nowhere near contained. [16:50] RIMS plug time! Sponsor a weekly or dedicated episode of RIMScast! Contact us at pd@rims.org. For upcoming virtual workshops visit RIMS.org/virtualworkshops to see the full calendar. On June 29th, “Optimizing Risk Management with Artificial Intelligence” will be led by Pat Saporito. A link to the workshop calendar is in the notes. [17:48] The webinar “Large-Scale Risk: How Walmart Manages the Risks Unique to Large and Growing Companies,” will be on June 22, 2023. Scott Fenstermaker of Riskonnect will lead the session. Scott tells about the webinar featuring Chip Hargrave of Walmart. It's going to be fantastic! Visit rims.org/webinars to sign up for webinars. [20:59] What is a successful pitch for Risk Management Magazine? It gets back to asking what risk management can do about a thing. The answer is not that they can buy your product. Make it universal so that the audience can consider the risk they are facing. There's no solution to fit everyone. Give broad tips on addressing risk. [22:19] Hilary recommends not using the first-person viewpoint. Look at your experience as a jumping-off point and think about what are the connection points that are relevant to other people. The way a problem impacts your business is specific. What are the problems you have in common with other industries? Tell something of relevance. [23:25] Think about how you would phrase your experience as guidance or a lesson for someone in a different sector. Think about takeaways. List three, five, or ten specific takeaways from your experience that would be interesting or relevant to somebody else. Start there. It's easier to write a piece from that. Morgan says to start with three. [24:58] Morgan says thank you to the readers of Risk Management Magazine, for reading and sharing. He's always happy to hear your comments and feedback. He's grateful that someone would open it and read an article. Hilary would love to hear what they could do better or have you contribute a piece. They are here for you, so reach out! [26:01] Justin thanks Morgan O'Rourke and Hilary Tuttle for joining him on RIMScast. They thank Justin for having them. [26:16] “Special thanks again to Morgan O'Rourke and Hilary Tuttle of Risk Management Magazine for joining me here today. They're going to come back next week and we're going to talk more about a very special article that Hilary wrote, covering RISKWORLD and active shooter preparedness, so I want you all to tune in and check it out!” [26:35] Read Risk Management Magazine at RMMagazine.com and check out the blog at RiskManagementMonitor.com. [26:44] Remember that you can sponsor a RIMScast episode to reach a global audience! Justin shares other RIMS offerings, including a transitional membership, RIMS.org, Risk Management Magazine, and the Risk Management Monitor blog! Justin thanks you for your continued support and engagement on social media channels!   Mentioned in this Episode: RIMS Canada 2023 — Sept. 11–14 in Ottawa! Spencer Educational Foundation — Funding Their Future Gala — Sept. 14, 2023 RIMS ERM Conference 2023 — Submit an educational session by June 30. Contribute to Risk Management Magazine RIMS Diversity Equity & Inclusion page RIMS Western Regional – Oct 4-6, Vail Colorado RIMS-CRMP Prep with Conrad Clark Nigeria – July 1, 8, 15 Upcoming Webinars: “Large-Scale Risk: How Walmart Manages the Risks Unique to Large and Growing Companies” | Sponsored by Riskonnect | June 22, 2023 Upcoming Virtual Workshops: “Optimizing Risk Management with Artificial Intelligence” | June 29, 2023 “Risk Appetite Management” | July 12–13 See the full calendar of RIMS Virtual Workshops Related RIMScast Episodes: “2022: The Year in Risk” “Live From Riskworld 2023” “Strategic Moves with RIMS CEO Gary LaBranche” “RIMS President Jennifer Santiago: R.E.A.D.Y. for 2023” Sponsored RIMScast Episodes: “Insuring the Future of the Environment” | Sponsored by AXA XL (New!) “Insights into the Gig Economy and its Contractors” | Sponsored by Zurich (NEW!) “The Importance of Disaster Planning Relationships” | Sponsored by ServiceMaster “Technology, Media and Telecom Solutions in 2023” | Sponsored by Allianz “Analytics in Action” | Sponsored by Alliant “Captive Market Outlook and Industry Insights” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Using M&A Insurance: The How and Why” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “Zurich's Construction Sustainability Outlook for 2023” “Aon's 2022 Atlantic Hurricane Season Overview” “ESG Through the Risk Lens” | Sponsored by Riskonnect “A Look at the Cyber Insurance Market” | Sponsored by AXA XL “How to Reduce Lithium-Ion Battery Fire Risks” | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD “Managing Global Geopolitical Risk in 2022 and Beyond” | Sponsored by AXA XL RIMS Publications, Content, and Links: RIMS Membership — Whether you are a new member or need to transition, be a part of the global risk management community! RIMS Virtual Workshops On-Demand Webinars Risk Management Magazine Risk Management Monitor RIMS Risk Leaders Series RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Stories — New interview featuring Broward County RIMS President Stacey Nielsen! Spencer Educational Foundation RIMS DEI Council RIMS Path to the Boardroom RIMS Events, Education, and Services: RIMS Risk Maturity Model® RIMS Events App Apple | Google Play NEW FOR MEMBERS! RIMS Mobile App RIMS Buyers Guide Dan Kugler Risk Manager on Campus Grant Sponsor RIMScast: Contact sales@rims.org or pd@rims.org for more information.   Want to Learn More? Keep up with the podcast on RIMS.org and listen on iTunes. Have a question or suggestion? Email: Content@rims.org.   Join the Conversation! Follow @RIMSorg on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.   Follow up with Our Guests: Morgan O'Rourke Hilary Tuttle Risk Management Magazine   Tweetables (For Social Media Use):   “I'm going to … steal a term from the World Economic Forum's Global Risks Report, … Polycrisis, which, to me, encapsulates at least my mood. … It's not just about all these different things … but their interactions, as well.” — Morgan O'Rourke   “Technology itself is making a lot of standard risks a lot more complicated and a lot more expensive.” — Hilary Tuttle   “[With smoke from the Canada wildfire], the sky [over New York City] turned colors I don't think we've seen, ever. Greens and oranges, and weird haze. It smelled like if you're sitting out at a campfire.” — Morgan O'Rourke   “Think about how you would phrase your experience as guidance or a lesson for someone in a different sector.” — Hilary Tuttle

Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society. JP Navarro is Director of Client Relations at Hanna Brophy and a Board Member and the Secretary of the Rainbow Risk Alliance. In this episode, Justin and JP discuss JP's experience at RISKWORLD 2023, takeaways from LGBTQIA+ Community MeetUp, the objectives of the Rainbow Risk Alliance, and how the risk management community is addressing LGBTQIA+ issues. They also consider some effective initiatives and policies organizations can take to bolster inclusivity. They conclude with news of the June 22nd Second Annual PRIDE Social in West Hollywood.   Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMScast. [:27] About today's episode: a discussion of Pride Month and LGBTQIA+ initiatives in the risk profession with a leader from the Rainbow Risk Alliance. [:38] All about upcoming RIMS webinars, and more! [1:09] The RIMS Canada Conference 2023 has been announced for September 11th‒14th in Ottowa! Visit RIMSCanadaConference.ca for more information. [1:26] On September 14th, the Spencer Educational Foundation returns to New York City for its Annual Funding Their Future Gala. The event will be held at the Cipriani on 42nd Street. A link is on this episode's notes. You can also visit SpencerEd.org. [1:42] Head to the RIMS.org/Advocacy page to find information about The RIMS Legislative Summit, which is returning to Washington, D.C. on October 25th and 26th. [1:56] Be on the lookout for the call for submissions for the RIMS ERM Conference, which will be held November 2nd and 3rd in Denver, Colorado! The first call for submissions was emailed in early June. Remember to check your spam box! There is a link to the web version in this episode's notes. [2:14] RIMS is partnering with Conrad Clark Nigeria for a RIMS CRMP Exam Prep virtual workshop Saturdays in July: July 1st, 8th, and 15th. Start your RIMS CRMP journey today! The link is in the show notes. [2:36] Happy Pride Month, folks! The Rainbow Risk Alliance was formed in 2021 to be a resource, networking hub, and center of support for the LGBTQIA+ community of the risk profession. JP Navarro is the secretary of the group and you might have seen him at RISKWORLD 2023 hosting a community meetup in the DE&I Lounge. [2:58] We are going to continue those dialogs by having him join us here to discuss Pride Month, how he feels the profession successfully approaches the concept of inclusivity, and how some inclusivity initiatives can be strengthened further. [3:20] Justin welcomes JP Navarro of the Rainbow Risk Alliance to RIMScast. [3:45] JP works for Hanna Brophy, a law firm in California, that works primarily in workers' compensation defense. JP does their marketing and business development, including a lot of networking. Hanna Brophy integrates into the world of risk as an advisor and provider of legal services to risk management throughout the community. [4:20] While developing many new relationships through networking across California and nationally, JP came to be involved with the Rainbow Risk Alliance by networking with two of its co-founders a few years back. When they started the RRA, they tapped JP to be one of the founding board members. [5:36] JP says RISKWORLD 2023 was fantastic. He loved being in Atlanta at a fantastic venue. Rainbow Risk Alliance had been invited by RIMS to host a community meetup session for the LGBTQIA+ community. They were placed next to some coffee! They drew quite a diverse crowd of people who networked and learned more about RRA. [6:35] It was an opportunity for people who were interested in learning how they can be allies; how they can work within their organizations to promote LGBTQIA initiatives. They had excellent conversations with different facets of the industry, including RIMS members and other parties. JP thinks that's one of the best things about RISKWORLD. [7:39] Members of the Rainbow Risk Alliance are risk and insurance professionals and risk-adjacent service providers based in California from all walks of the risk world life. One of the co-founders, Tamara Corbin, is a VP with Gallagher Bassett. JP tells how the alliance arose from an informal LGBTQIA+ network to boost community representation. [10:09] LGBTQIA+ stands for Lesbian, Gay, Bi-sexual, Transgender, Queer, Intersex, Asexual people. The “+” ensures inclusivity. The board has seven members, all from California. They have over two thousand members across the United States. [11:15] RRA is trying to get its roots grounded in the risk and risk-adjacent community spreading into a national organization with chapters supporting the various initiatives relevant to them and their community at large, with people who identify with LGBTQIA+ community and people who want to be allies and support it in their organizations. [11:54]  RIMS plug time! Sponsor a weekly or dedicated episode of RIMScast! Contact us at pd@rims.org. The virtual workshop, “Managing Worker Compensation, Employer's Liability and Employment Practices in the U.S.,” will be June 20–21, Register by June 19! [12:43] A three-part virtual workshop on data risk management will be June 15. Earn the RIMS Fundamentals of Risk Data Analytics and AI certificate when you complete this workshop series. See go.RIMS.org/dataworkshops. Registration closes June 14th. Additional courses are on September 14th and December 7th. [13:24] The webinar “Large-Scale Risk: How Walmart Manages the Risks Unique to Large and Growing Companies,” will be on June 22, 2023. Scott Fenstermaker of Riskonnect will lead the session. Scott tells about the webinar featuring Chip Hargrave of Walmart. It's going to be fantastic! Visit rims.org/webinars to sign up for webinars. [16:20] One of the biggest steps JP has seen is curiosity about, as a risk community, what we can do, not just to support our organization … [but] how we're impacting everything around us, and that curiosity leading to some pivotal discussions around what the risk community can do to support, taking a deep dive into important issues. [17:25] JP shares an example. What have organizations done as risk professionals about issues that may detrimentally impact the LGBTQIA+ community in times of disaster? What legal, cultural, and economic issues would they face as a result of a disaster? What have we done to address that proactively? [18:05] These are newer pieces of the risk conversation. JP sees this as a positive outcome from the risk community to address what they can do for the LGBTQIA+ community. [18:21] Regarding DE&I, there have been a lot of conversations over the last several years about what we can do to bolster DE&I initiatives within our industry. JP brings up curiosity, bringing the conversations to the table in public forums like RISKWORLD 2023. These conversations are popping up at key points throughout the year in the industry. [19:05] JP says that's great because it furthers this idea of curiosity. We're talking about it. As long as we're talking about it, we're making movement. JP says the risk community has picked it up and run with it. [19:22] In JP's professional work, he sees a lot of interest in understanding how organizations are supporting LGBTQIA+ and DE&I initiatives because it's important to them. How are we fostering development and recruitment into our industry? They're asking for metrics, conversations, and updates. [20:45] LGBTQIA+ is a personal identification that comes with a lot of things behind it. If somebody isn't comfortable with identifying at home, we can't expect them to do it at work unless it's anonymous. Surveys are not trusted to be anonymous. Think about what a safe workplace is. Are we inclusive? Look at the language of initiatives. [21:49] JP was reminded of this when he reviewed case law recently that included the word “firemen.” Firefighters include both men and women. JP has seen positive responses to the way we've adjusted the pronouns within our existing policies. Ensure that the language in your policies is inclusive. That's a huge step you can take now. [22:52] Employee Resource Groups (ERGs) can be an excellent source of information and a way to put your finger on the pulse of a company's culture as it's perceived by each group. Be open to listening to what those groups have to say. Those can be really difficult conversations; what is intended by a policy may not be what is perceived. [24:08] JP recommends that organizations consult with DE&I experts. Having a third-party perspective to help shape policies and craft initiatives is an excellent investment in an organization's culture. That's what speaks to the community at large. [24:45] Rainbow Risk Alliance has a Second Annual Pride Social on June 22nd. There will be drinks, hors d'oeuvres, and a drag show. It will be a social networking event in West Hollywood from 5 to 9 p.m. at the Chapel at the Abbey, seen on reality shows like The Real Housewives and The Vanderpump Rules. [27:56] Justin thanks JP for being on RIMScast and says he looks forward to seeing him at RISKWORLD 2024 in San Diego! JP thanks Justin and wishes everybody happy Pride! JP looks forward to being in San Diego and promises another Community Meetup! [28:23] Justin says a “special thanks to JP Navarro of the Rainbow Risk Alliance for joining us here today.” Rainbow Risk Alliance links are on the show notes. Also, see the links on the show notes for past coverage of Pride Month and DE&I initiatives. [28:51] Sponsor a RIMScast episode to reach a global audience! Justin shares other RIMS offerings, including a transitional membership, RIMS.org, Risk Management Magazine, and the Risk Management Monitor blog! Justin thanks you for your continued support and engagement!   Mentioned in this Episode: RIMS Canada 2023 — Sept. 11–14 in Ottawa! Spencer Educational Foundation — Funding Their Future Gala — Sept. 14, 2023 RIMS ERM Conference 2023 — Submit an educational session by June 30. Contribute to Risk Management Magazine RIMS Diversity Equity & Inclusion pageUpcoming Webinars: “Cyber Risk: Sharper Security or Dulled to the Danger?” | Sponsored by Beazley | June 20, 2023 “Large-Scale Risk: How Walmart Manages the Risks Unique to Large and Growing Companies” | Sponsored by Riskonnect | June 22, 2023 Upcoming Virtual Workshops: “RIMS Fundamentals of Risk Data, Analytics and AI” | June 15, 2023 | 10:00 am–2:00 pm ET | Registration Closes June 14 | Enroll Now “Managing Worker Compensation, Employer's Liability and Employment Practices in the US” | June 20–21 | 10:00 am–5:30 pm ET | Registration Closes June 19 | Enroll Now “Risk Appetite Management” | July 12–13 See the full calendar of RIMS Virtual Workshops Related RIMScast Episodes: “Risk Insight with AAIN Leadership” “Taking the “Next Steps” with NAAIA Executive Director and COO Omari Jahi Aarons”“RIMS DE&I in June 2022: Pride, Juneteenth, and National Indigenous History Month” “Launching DEI Initiatives with Tara Lessard-Webb” (2021) “Pride Month: How Risk Pros Can Protect and Uplift LGBTQ+ Employees” (2021) Sponsored RIMScast Episodes: “Insuring the Future of the Environment” | Sponsored by AXA XL (New!) “Insights into the Gig Economy and its Contractors” | Sponsored by Zurich (NEW!) “The Importance of Disaster Planning Relationships” | Sponsored by ServiceMaster “Technology, Media and Telecom Solutions in 2023” | Sponsored by Allianz “Analytics in Action” | Sponsored by Alliant “Captive Market Outlook and Industry Insights” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Using M&A Insurance: The How and Why” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “Zurich's Construction Sustainability Outlook for 2023” “Aon's 2022 Atlantic Hurricane Season Overview” “ESG Through the Risk Lens” | Sponsored by Riskonnect “A Look at the Cyber Insurance Market” | Sponsored by AXA XL “How to Reduce Lithium-Ion Battery Fire Risks” | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD “Managing Global Geopolitical Risk in 2022 and Beyond” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Keeping Subcontractors Safe Through Partner Elevation” | Sponsored by Highwire “ESG: A Responsibility and a Growing Megatrend” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “Prioritizing People: Focusing on Your Team to Deliver Exceptional Quality and Service to Your Clients” | Sponsored by Gallagher Bassett “Bermuda Opportunities in 2022 with BDA Chair Stephen Weinstein” | Sponsored by Bermuda Business Development Agency “SyncR: A Tool to Enhance Your Risk Quality & Insurance Strategy” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “RIMScast: Navigating the Risk Landscape in 2022” | Sponsored by AXA XL “RIMScast: Prioritizing People: Expertise and Innovation” | Sponsored by Gallagher Bassett “RIMScast: Risk Findings for the Industrial & Manufacturing Industry” | Sponsored by Aon RIMS Publications, Content, and Links: RIMS Membership — Whether you are a new member or need to transition, be a part of the global risk management community! RIMS Virtual Workshops On-Demand Webinars Risk Management Magazine Risk Management Monitor RIMS Risk Leaders Series RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Stories — New interview featuring Broward County RIMS President Stacey Nielsen! Spencer Educational Foundation RIMS DEI Council RIMS Path to the Boardroom RIMS Events, Education, and Services: RIMS Risk Maturity Model® RIMS Events App Apple | Google Play NEW FOR MEMBERS! RIMS Mobile App RIMS Buyers Guide Dan Kugler Risk Manager on Campus Grant Sponsor RIMScast: Contact sales@rims.org or pd@rims.org for more information.   Want to Learn More? Keep up with the podcast on RIMS.org and listen on iTunes. Have a question or suggestion? Email: Content@rims.org.   Join the Conversation! Follow @RIMSorg on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.   Follow up with Our Guest: JP Navarro Hanna Brophy Rainbow Risk Alliance Rainbow Risk Alliance Royal PRIDE Social❤️Rainbow Risk Alliance: PRIDE 2023

Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   Ralph Bless currently serves as Telgian Engineering & Consulting's Executive Vice President, Innovation and Excellence. He has more than 40 years of experience in fire protection, including a broad range of water-based and special hazard system design, code consulting, and fire protection engineering services. Bless holds multiple state and national certifications, including that of Certified Fire Protection Specialist. He also serves on six National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) Technical Committees. These include chair for Record Storage, NFPA 232, as well as NFPA 1, NFPA 13 SSI (Installation) and the Correlating Committees, NFPA 15, and NFPA 915.   Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMScast. [:27] About today's episode: Fire Risk in Commercial and Industrial Buildings. [:34] All about upcoming RIMS webinars, and more! [1:13] The RIMS Canada Conference 2023 has been announced for September 11th‒14th in Ottowa! Visit RIMSCanadaConference.ca for more information. [1:30] On September 14th, the Spencer Educational Foundation returns to New York City for its Annual Funding Their Future Gala. The event will be held at the Cipriani 42nd Street. A link is on this episode's notes. You can also visit SpencerEd.org. [1:47] Head to the RIMS.org/Advocacy page! The RIMS Legislative Summit is returning to  Washington, D.C. on October 25th and 26th. Visit the link in the show notes. [2:01] Be on the lookout for the call for submissions for the RIMS ERM Conference, which will be held November 2nd and 3rd in Denver, Colorado! Check your inboxes. [2:18] RIMS is partnering with Conrad Clark Nigeria for a RIMS CRMP Exam Prep virtual workshop Saturdays in July: July 1st, 8th, and 15th. Start your RIMS CRMP journey today! The link is in the show notes. [2:41] The new and mixed commodities being brought into commercial and industrial buildings are adding to the evolution and omnipresence of fire risks. Ralph Bless is here to discuss how to identify these materials and machines and the need for full-scale testing. Justin welcomes Ralph Bless to RIMScast. [3:05] About Ralph's 40-year career in the industry with new construction, remodels, maintenance, and testing. [3:46] How Ralph has worked with risk professionals has changed in the past few years, from dealing with the pandemic, how facilities are used, and bringing people back into facilities, including egress and protection issues. [4:30] Fire risk in facilities has evolved in how we're using the buildings, and what we're putting in them. The products have changed, from hand sanitizer, batteries, and plastics, to the packaging around them. From the start of Ralph's career to today, the fire risk has grown significantly. [5:22] The changes in fire risk have been across the board, from offices to storage, to manufacturing facilities. The requirements for sprinklers for multi-rack systems have changed, for example, providing challenges for Telgian's clients and the industry. [6:17] Batteries, whether for electric vehicles or everyday equipment, have changed the fire risk. A very small battery can create a very large fire. Telgian is exploring how to protect against battery fires. Packaging and the manner of storing products also add fire risks. Plastic pallets have replaced wood pallets. [7:12] Automated storage and retrieval systems (ASRS) are popular. The robots and lift vehicles are battery-powered with their charging stations, creating new risks as workers are returning to facilities. [8:11] The codes, standards, data sheets, and guidelines are behind the times. There has not been enough testing to know to protect these new automated facilities. In a lot of cases, water alone is not the solution. [8:31] Ralph lists data sheets, guidelines, and codes that need to be modernized. One of the significant challenges of code development, for instance, the NFPA code, is the three-year cycle to update. Those are adopted by the building codes one year later. Then the building codes need to be adopted by the states, provinces, and countries. [9:34] By the time facility builders and managers have the codes and standards, they are at least four years old. Technology changes faster than that. [10:06] Ralph serves on six NFPA technical committees and some certification bodies. He likes the NFPA process and has been involved in it for some years. Everybody gets a voice. The challenge is in keeping up with what's going on. NFPA is involved in full-scale fire testing as well as code development, working with state and local jurisdictions. [11:02]  RIMS plug time! Sponsor a weekly or dedicated episode of RIMScast! Contact us at pd@rims.org. The virtual workshop Managing Worker Compensation, Employer's Liability and Employment Practices in the U.S. will be June 20–21, Register by June 19! [11:49] A three-part virtual workshop on data risk management will be June 15. Earn the RIMS Fundamentals of Risk Data Analytics and AI certificate when you complete this workshop series. See go.RIMS.org/dataworkshops. Registration closes June 14th. Additional courses are on September 14th and December 7th. [12:31] The webinar Large-Scale Risk: How Walmart Manages the Risks Unique to Large and Growing Companies will be on June 22, 2023. Scott Fenstermaker of Riskonnect will lead the session. Scott tells about the webinar featuring Chip Hargrave of Walmart. It's going to be fantastic! Visit rims.org/webinars to sign up for this webinar and others. [15:28] With their larger customers and facilities, Telgian does fire modeling, egress modeling, fire development modeling, smoke modeling, or full-scale fire testing. The codes and standards need to be generic, but specialized facilities need to be full-scale fire-tested. It makes good business sense. [16:54] Ralph discusses how organizations can manage the risks of new commodities and devices in their facilities. Take a hard look at how the use of the facility has changed and the product has changed. He shares the example of plastic toys in open packaging on store shelves and vertically stacked mattresses that burn vigorously. [18:22] Facilities managers may think that inspecting their sprinkler and alarm systems regularly for wear and tear is enough, but they need to be analyzed for how well they will protect the facility in a fire. Involve loss control engineer consultants and the risk department in the analysis. Work with the community fire department. [20:20] About the nearly year-round wildfire risk in the U.S. Some insurance companies refuse to insure certain areas. How do we protect facilities and become good stewards? [21:22] Risk professionals should collaborate with Operations, R&D, the community, your insurance providers, your loss control engineers, the risk team, and any consultants you may bring in. [22:19] Fire risk isn't calculated by the month but by the industry involved. Telgian has seen large facility fires in every month of the last year and a half. You really have to be on your game all the time. [22:59] Justin says a “special thanks to Ralph Bless for joining RIMScast today.” Listen to the episodes related to fire risks and water damage reduction linked on the show notes. [23:18] Sponsor a RIMScast episode to reach a global audience! Justin shares other RIMS offerings, including a transitional membership, Risk Management Magazine, and the Risk Management Monitor blog! Justin thanks you for your continued engagement!   Mentioned in this Episode: RIMS Canada 2023 — Sept. 11–14 in Ottawa! Spencer Educational Foundation — Funding Their Future Gala – Sept. 14, 2023 Contribute to Risk Management Magazine RIMS Diversity Equity & Inclusion page RIMS ERM Conference Nov 2 & 3 | Submit a session by June 30.  Upcoming Webinars: The Top 10 Must-Have Reports for GRC and InfoSec Leaders | Sponsored by Resolver | June 8, 2023 Cyber Risk: Sharper Security or Dulled to the Danger? | Sponsored by Beazley | June 20, 2023 Large-Scale Risk: How Walmart Manages the Risks Unique to Large and Growing Companies | Sponsored by Riskonnect | June 22, 2023 Upcoming Virtual Workshops: RIMS Fundamentals of Risk Data, Analytics and AI | June 15, 2023 | 10:00 am–2:00 pm ET | Registration Closes June 14 | Enroll Now Managing Worker Compensation, Employer's Liability and Employment Practices in the US | June 20–21 | 10:00 am–5:30 pm ET | Registration Closes June 19 | Enroll Now RIMS CRMP Exam Prep with Conrad Clark Nigeria | July 1, 8, and 15 Risk Appetite Management | July 12–13 See the full calendar of RIMS Virtual Workshops Related RIMScast Episodes: “World Water Day, IoT, and Water Damage Reduction with John Dempsey” “Public Violence and Workplace Safety with Lauris Freidenfelds” “Occupational Safety Risks in 2022 with Dave Ferro” “E-Commerce's Impact on Fire Safety in Supply Chains with Leonard Ramo” Sponsored RIMScast Episodes: “Insuring the Future of the Environment” | Sponsored by AXA XL (New!) “Insights into the Gig Economy and its Contractors” | Sponsored by Zurich (NEW!) “The Importance of Disaster Planning Relationships” | Sponsored by ServiceMaster “Technology, Media and Telecom Solutions in 2023” | Sponsored by Allianz “Analytics in Action” | Sponsored by Alliant “Captive Market Outlook and Industry Insights” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Using M&A Insurance: The How and Why” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “Zurich's Construction Sustainability Outlook for 2023” “Aon's 2022 Atlantic Hurricane Season Overview” “ESG Through the Risk Lens” | Sponsored by Riskonnect “A Look at the Cyber Insurance Market” | Sponsored by AXA XL “How to Reduce Lithium-Ion Battery Fire Risks” | Sponsored by TÜV SÜD “Managing Global Geopolitical Risk in 2022 and Beyond” | Sponsored by AXA XL “Keeping Subcontractors Safe Through Partner Elevation” | Sponsored by Highwire “ESG: A Responsibility and a Growing Megatrend” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “Prioritizing People: Focusing on Your Team to Deliver Exceptional Quality and Service to Your Clients” | Sponsored by Gallagher Bassett “Bermuda Opportunities in 2022 with BDA Chair Stephen Weinstein” | Sponsored by Bermuda Business Development Agency “SyncR: A Tool to Enhance Your Risk Quality & Insurance Strategy” | Sponsored by Prudent Insurance Brokers Ltd. “RIMScast: Navigating the Risk Landscape in 2022” | Sponsored by AXA XL “RIMScast: Prioritizing People: Expertise and Innovation” | Sponsored by Gallagher Bassett “RIMScast: Risk Findings for the Industrial & Manufacturing Industry” | Sponsored by Aon RIMS Publications, Content, and Links: RIMS Membership — Whether you are a new member or need to transition, be a part of the global risk management community! RIMS Virtual Workshops On-Demand Webinars Risk Management Magazine Risk Management Monitor RIMS Risk Leaders Series RIMS-Certified Risk Management Professional (RIMS-CRMP) RIMS-CRMP Stories — New interview featuring Broward County RIMS President Stacey Nielsen! Spencer Educational Foundation RIMS DEI Council RIMS Path to the Boardroom RIMS Events, Education, and Services: RIMS Risk Maturity Model® RIMS Events App Apple | Google Play NEW FOR MEMBERS! RIMS Mobile App RIMS Buyers Guide Dan Kugler Risk Manager on Campus Grant Sponsor RIMScast: Contact sales@rims.org or pd@rims.org for more information.   Want to Learn More? Keep up with the podcast on RIMS.org and listen on iTunes. Have a question or suggestion? Email: Content@rims.org.   Join the Conversation! Follow @RIMSorg on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.   Follow up with Our Guest: Ralph E. Bless, Jr., PE, CFPS, SET Telgian Engineering & Consulting   Tweetables (For Social Media Use):   “Fire risk has evolved … specifically as it relates to facilities, in how we're using the buildings, and what we're putting in those buildings. … The products have changed, …  hand sanitizer, batteries, different types of plastics, or the packaging around it.” — Ralph E. Bless   “I don't know about you but I don't really want to be carrying around my cellphone from 10 years ago. It kind of relates [to outdated standards].” — Ralph E. Bless   “We've seen several very large-loss fires … and if you look at …  why they were catastrophic, what you'll find is many times the smaller jurisdictions may not have understood or may not have been trained by the facility on how to respond to their … facility.” — Ralph E. Bless   “[Fire risk]; it's not really one month out of the year. It really depends on the industry, in my experience.” — Ralph E. Bless    

Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.   Eloise Copland joins RIMScast to discuss the effects human bias has on all decision-making, what bias is, and working with bias by understanding how the mind uses it as a shortcut to process information. Understanding our biases about the environment will help us to direct with intention our decision-making around climate-change issues. Listen to this enlightening discussion to help inform your organization's approach toward prioritizing the environment.   Key Takeaways: [:01] About RIMScast. [:27] About today's episode with Principal Behavioral Scientist, Influence at Work, Eloise Copland, on the psychology of environmental bias risk. [:37] All about upcoming RIMS webinars, and more! [1:17] The RIMS Canada Conference 2023 has been announced for September 11th‒14th in Ottowa! Visit RIMSCanadaConference.ca for more information. [1:34] On September 14th, the Spencer Educational Foundation returns to New York City for its Annual Funding Their Future Gala. The event will be held at the Cipriani 42nd Street. A link is on this episode's notes. You can also visit SpencerEd.org. [1:51] Head to the RIMS.org/Advocacy page! The RIMS Legislative Summit is returning to  Washington, D.C. on October 25th and 26th. Visit the link in the show notes. [2:04] Be on the lookout for the call for submissions for the RIMS ERM Conference, which will be held November 2nd and 3rd in Denver, Colorado! Check your inboxes. [2:20] RIMS is partnering with Conrad Clark Nigeria for a RIMS CRMP Exam Prep virtual workshop Saturdays in July: July 1st, 8th, and 15th. Start your RIMS CRMP journey today! The link is in the show notes. [2:41] The “E” in ESG stands for environmental risk. It is on their minds regularly at RIMS and RIMScast. Justin introduces Eloise Copland, the Principal Behavioral Scientist for Influence at Work. Eloise joins the podcast to talk about our approach to environmental bias and environmental risk. [3:43] Justin welcomes Eloise Copland, or Elle, to RIMScast. El is five hours ahead of New York time. [4:25] Elle tells about her background, career, and what excites her every day about behavioral economics and addressing environmental bias. [6:32] It takes well-funded agencies and corporations working together for change to occur. People run agencies and corporations and their biases influence decisions. [7:10] There isn't one simple answer to why executives prioritize short-term environmental challenges over the bigger picture. We like to think that with the right information, and with the right resources, people make rational decisions. Research shows that people's decisions are influenced by mental shortcuts called biases. [8:43] The four types of biases: Present bias — we value our present selves more than our future selves. Uncertainty aversion — we avoid unknown risks. Optimism Bias — we are overly optimistic about the future. Loss Aversion — we find losses to be more negative than equivalent gains are positive. [15:49] Execs believe it's significantly more costly to be sustainable because there's a lot of investment and you don't get a lot of payback. Loss aversion overpowers the potential gains an organization might get. [16:19] RIMS plug time! Sponsor a weekly or dedicated episode of RIMScast! Contact us at pd@rims.org. The virtual workshop Managing Worker Compensation, Employer's Liability and Employment Practices in the U.S. will be June 20–21, Register by June 19! The three-part virtual workshop on data risk management will be June 15. See the link. [17:48] The webinar "Large-Scale Risk: How Walmart Manages the Risks Unique to Large and Growing Companies" will be on June 22, 2023. Scott Fenstermaker of RIskonnect will lead the session. Scott tells about the webinar featuring Chip Hargrave of Walmart. [20:54] Elle describes ways to work with biases. Knowing what influences our decisions can help us to reduce the power biases hold over us. Elle suggests three things to add to our arsenal: changing people's focus, making it tangible, and making it personal. [22:42] Change people's focus by encouraging executives to look at long-term goals. Find ways to reward longer-term achievements and make the environmental threat more immediate. Use hypothetical scenarios. [25:23] Make the outcomes more tangible by providing people with a roadmap with the steps of what they can do to achieve a larger goal or reduce the uncertainty by telling people what other people are doing. Have them make implementation intentions, such as “If this happens, I will do that.” Research shows that this works. [26:53] Make the outcome personal by showing people the emotional and oral impacts of climate change on their nations, communities, and families. They will be much more likely to act beyond the minimum requirements. [29:51] Elle discusses when executives stubbornly pursue short-term priorities instead of big-picture priorities. Elle suggests empathetically engaging executives to see the big picture. Make sure that when we think about systems, we're thinking in the long term. Biases are not handicaps but are the ways our brains process information. [34:03] With the understanding of how humans think, we can integrate this understanding into our systems and what we do, to make sure that we don't hit this situation where someone is too short-sighted or stubborn. [34:55] About the COP climate change summits, good and bad. Elle describes the “planning fallacy.” Attending the summit and creating a commitment is not taking action. Tie your commitments to measurable and visible impacts. [41:01] Sponsor a RIMScast episode to reach a global audience! Justin shares other RIMS offerings, including a transitional membership!   Mentioned in this Episode: RIMS Canada 2023 — Sept. 11–14 in Ottawa! Spencer Educational Foundation — Funding Their Future Gala — Sept. 14, 2023 RIMS.org/Advocacy/ RIMS 2023 Legislative Summit — Oct. 25–26 in Washington, D.C. RIMS ERM Conference — Nov. 2–3 in Denver, Colorado. 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So in the context of executives and business and risk and the environment, people are pretty hesitant to invest in climate change solutions … that have unknown or unproven ROI.” — Eloise Copland   “The better we understand what is making and driving the decision-making when … we're in the boardroom; the better we can ensure our systems and our communications fit with these beliefs. … Don't communicate … in ways that aren't going to resonate.” — Eloise Copland   “With the proper understanding of how humans think, we can integrate this understanding into our systems; into what we do, to make sure that we don't hit this situation where someone is too short-sighted; too stubborn.” — Eloise Copland  

Listen to our interview with Brian Zawada.   Brian is a VP of Strategy at Riskonnect and he works with companies like Lockheed Martin and Aker Solutions to monitor and mitigate complex organizational risks  We discussed the following topics among others.  What are the strategies and technologies the world's biggest brands are implementing to address geopolitical risks and ensure business continuity?  How geopolitical risk can impact business strategy, innovation and the bottom line?   How can businesses assess and mitigate geopolitical risks, both in their current operations and in their long-term planning? and more... If you want to be our guest, or you know some one who would be a great guest on our show, just send your email to info@globalriskconsult.com with a subject line “Global Risk Community Show” and give a brief explanation of what topic you would like to to talk about and we will be in touch with you asap.

Jeffrey Kranz, who joins to talk about Salesforce Flow, is a Product Manager at Riskonnect. Main Points The mindset of “building for flows” v.s. “Building with flows” Flow is the future The cool features of flows How to debug and test flows The fast evolvement of the flow Flow features: Apex-Defined Data Types, External Services, Custom Property Editors Links Jeff’s LinkedIn Video Teaser The YouTube Video URL The post 95. Salesforce Flow | Jeffrey Kranz appeared first on SalesforceWay.

Hear from our guest, Jim Wetekamp, CEO at Riskonnect. We discussed a number of topics around both leadership and integrated Risk Management. More specifically we discussed:   What value Chief Risk Officer (CRO)can offer; What's keeping CROs awake?; What is an Intergated Risk Management; What type of organizations grow faster; Breaking silos between risk and assurance, compliance and strategy and more… Let us know what you think about this and other interviews. If you want to be our guest, or you know some one who would be a great guest on our show, just send your email to info@globalriskconsult.com with a subject line "Global Risk Community Show" and give a brief explanation of what topic you would like to to talk about and we will be in touch with you asap.

Hello and welcome to the new episode of the Risk Management Show brought to you by Global Risk Community. In this episode we summarize most interesting interviews we conducted on our podcast in our Global Risk Community during this extraordinary year. Here are some links to the interviews discussed in this epizode. 1. Interview with Jim Wetecamp, CEO at Riskonnect 2. Interview with Sjoerd Leemhuis , CEO at Owlin 3. Interview with Evgeni Likhoded, Founder and CEO at ClauseMatch 4. Interview with Ketan Dholakia, a Managing partner at Maclear 5. Interview with Dean Nicols, VP of marketing at Jumio corporation

In this interview Jim Wetekamp, CEO at Riskonnect shares his insights on how organizations are preparing to adapt to the new normal and explains how risk managers should stay the course during this COVID-19 crisis time. 4 long-standing trends that risk managers have to deal with thoroughly accelerated right now (excerpts from the Interview with Jim Wetekamp, CEO at Riskonnect) 1. The digitalization of risk, so the thing is tied in the risk management function being automated and the impact of that automation from an eco-system standpoint. It's just accelerating right now, you're seeing it as people are working from home, as organizations become more decentralized in their locations and how they serve their customers. 2. The evolving of an alliance on data and analytics, the power of decision making was already a trend, now it's even more powerful and you need even more data. Where are COVID cases evolving? Where are we on the different stages or phases of the recovery curve? 3. You can see it across organizations, is the rising pace and scope of policy compliance and procedure change, that was already something happening but now it's happening daily or weekly as people reassess travel policies, WFH policies, governmental reimbursement... 4. And then the final point is the growing importance of risk management in corporate strategy. You can read the transcription of this interview here or watch the video recording here

Special Guests Jim Wetekamp, CEO of Riskonnect and Tom Lebamoff, CEO of Exactus Advisors discuss Risk Management in light of COVID-19.COVID-19 has highlighted the need for companies large and small to consider adding a Risk Management System (RMS) to their toolset. Companies that are using an RMS will have additional use cases to implement based on the lesson to be learned from COVID-19. COVID-19 has impacted the ability of employees to work, suppliers to perform, customers’ ability to pay, and reduced demand for products/services, and more. The reality that all of these risks came to fruition at the same time and from the same event, makes remediating the risk exponentially more difficult. “What are the odds that could really happen?” had changed to “We never thought this would happen, how to prepare for it again?” Jim and Tom share great insight that is valuable to all of our listeners.Visit Riskonnect at www.riskonnect.comVisit Exactus Advisors at www.exactusadvisors.comYou can find all episodes of LeaderLivingLife at www.leaderlivinglife.com/podcastPlease subscribe and share!Support the show (http://www.leaderlivinglife.com)

In this episode, we speak with Jim Wetekamp, CEO of Riskonnect. Riskonnect is the leading global integrated risk management solution provider that enables organizations to anticipate and manage strategic and operational risks across the extended enterprise. Its unique, holistic approach to integrated risk serves more than 900 companies across 6 continents. Riskonnect has operations in the Americas, Europe and Asia, employing more than 500 risk management experts.

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