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HR professionals have a huge opportunity to shape how, why and when AI is used across their organisations.Because AI is not only changing technology. It is changing jobs, skills, teams, management and the way work gets done. And HR is uniquely placed to make sure those changes work for both the organisation and its people.In this episode of HR Coffee Time, Fay is joined by People Consultant Charlotte Goulding to explore how HR professionals can help shape successful AI adoption across their organisations.Charlotte explains why HR should not wait to be invited into conversations about AI and shares how her Five People Foundations Framework can help organisations put the right people foundations in place as work changes.Together, Fay and Charlotte explore what each of these foundations means in practice, including why traditional job descriptions may no longer be enough, why managers will become even more important and how performance, recognition and HR operations may need to evolve.Charlotte also explains how HR can help organisations make thoughtful decisions about AI while keeping people, trust and culture at the heart of them.In This Episode, You'll Learn:Why HR shouldn't wait to be invited into conversations about AIThe difference between “AI for HR” and “HR for AI”How the Five People Foundations work togetherWhy skills and capabilities could become more useful than job descriptionsHow managers can support people through AI-related changeHow performance, recognition and HR operations may need to adaptChapters[0:00] Introduction: Why HR must lead AI adoption[2:01] Welcome, Charlotte Goulding[2:24] HR for AI, not just AI for HR[4:41] From pandemic hero to recent criticism[6:31] How the Five Foundations framework came about[10:42] Overview: The Five People Foundations[11:35] Foundation 1: Identity[15:34] Example: Values in your AI hiring process[19:13] Foundation 2: Clarity[23:28] Applying skills-based roles in HR[26:31] OKRs and quarterly goal-setting[28:05] Foundation 3: Enablement[29:12] Managers: the most overlooked foundation[36:51] Foundation 4: Recognition[39:01] Rethinking career progression and rewards[40:42] Foundation 5: Operations[42:22] Mapping your most critical processes[43:38] Working with Charlotte[45:37] Book recommendations[47:05] Wrap-up and outroUseful LinksConnect with Fay on LinkedInLearn about Fay's Essential HR PlannerLearn about Fay's Inspiring HR Leadership ProgrammeComplete Charlotte's free Five People Foundations diagnostic.Visit Charlotte's website: The People ThreadConnect with Charlotte Goulding on LinkedInBooks Recommended in This EpisodeHR Disrupted by Lucy AdamsBuilt for People by Jessica ZwaanHelpful Episodes to Listen to NextEp 164: Becoming More Strategic as an HR Team: Three Ways OKRs Can HelpEp 166: The Biggest HR Strategy Mistake and How to Fix It, with Dean CorbettEp 172: How One Company Helped Employees Embrace AI, with Laura MaffucciEp 173: How to Build a Better Workplace Culture (So People Thrive at Work), with Aoife O'BrienEnjoyed This Episode? Don't Miss the Next One!Sign up for the free weekly HR Coffee Time email to be notified each time a new episode is released - and get free career tips, tools, and resources.

You do not need to be technical to build a smarter business. You just need to know how to use the tools in front of you. In this episode of The Level Up Podcast w/ Paul Alex, we break down how non-tech founders can use AI to automate tasks, save time, reduce costs, and move faster without writing a single line of code. Because AI is not just for software engineers. It is for founders, operators, creators, sales teams, and anyone who wants to remove bottlenecks from their business. If you are still writing every email from scratch, handling every admin task manually, creating every piece of content by hand, and avoiding AI because you think you are “not technical,” you are slowing down your own company. Paul explains why the smartest entrepreneurs are not trying to do everything the hard way. They are using AI to support the repetitive work so they can focus on the work that actually drives growth. In this episode, you'll learn: Why AI is a powerful tool for non-tech founders How automation can save time on emails, SOPs, content, and admin work Why using AI can reduce production costs and increase efficiency How smart tools free your team to focus on sales, relationships, and strategy Why founders who adopt AI early can move faster than their competition The truth is simple: AI is not replacing the founder. It is helping the founder operate with more speed, clarity, and leverage. High-level entrepreneurs do not waste hours on tasks that software can help support. They use AI to draft faster. Create faster. Organize faster. Automate faster. And free up human energy for the decisions, relationships, and strategies that actually grow the business. The smartest founders are not doing everything manually. They are upgrading the system. They are automating the noise. They are protecting their time. And they are using AI to build a more efficient business without needing a technical background. Adopt the tools. Move faster. And keep leveling up. Your Network is your NETWORTH! Make sure to add me on all SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS: Instagram: ⁠https://jo.my/paulalex2024⁠ Facebook: ⁠https://jo.my/fbpaulalex2024⁠ YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGhDAD1JyGGzSQUPD9lc9HQ⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠https://jo.my/inpaulalex2024⁠ Looking for a secondary source of income or want to become an entrepreneur? Check out one of my companies below to see if we can help you: ⁠www.CashSwipe.com⁠ FREE Copy of my book “Blue to Digital Gold - The New American Dream” ⁠www.officialPaulAlex.com⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What if the biggest obstacle to growing your property management business isn't your marketing... but who you're attracting? In this #DoorGrowShow episode, Jason Hull breaks down why traditional marketing advice is keeping property managers stuck competing for price-sensitive owners while overlooking a massive untapped market. Drawing from nearly two decades of coaching hundreds of property management entrepreneurs, he explains why warm, relationship-driven growth consistently outperforms cold digital marketing. Jason also explores the hidden operational costs of attracting the wrong clients, why communication isn't the real reason owners leave, how poor boundaries destroy profitability, and why your business should be built around trust. You'll Learn [00:00] Why Industry Surveys Miss Real Growth Opportunities [04:58] Understanding Cheapos, Normals, and Premium Buyers [10:43] The Blue Ocean Most Property Managers Ignore [16:40] Why Communication Isn't the Real Problem [22:08] Escaping the "Cycle of Suck" [28:18] Setting Better Boundaries with Owners [34:55] Why Offline Marketing Wins [42:06] Building Growth Engines Instead of Buying Leads [50:14] Hidden Profit Leaks Every Property Manager Has Quotables ​​"Where you get your leads dictates the quality of the lead and how much they're willing to spend."  Jason Hull  "They don't even want to buy property management. What they want to buy is a trusted advisor." Jason Hull  "Interruptions are the biggest thief in the property management business of profitability." Jason Hull  Resources DoorGrow and Scale Mastermind DoorGrow Academy DoorGrow on YouTube DoorGrowClub DoorGrowLive Transcript Jason Hull (00:00) Hey everybody, I'm Jason Hull, the founder and CEO of DoorGro, the world's leading and most comprehensive coaching and consulting firm for long-term residential property management entrepreneurs. For over a decade and a half, we have brought innovative strategies and optimization to the property management industry. At DoorGro, we are on a mission to transform property management business owners and their businesses.   We want to transform the industry, eliminate the BS, build awareness, change perception, expand the market, and help the best property management entrepreneurs win. Now let's get to the show. Okay, so today's episode,   I'm going to share from my anecdotal experience in talking to thousands of property managers and all the feedback that I get, and all the people that are in our mastermind, what we're seeing is working. So here's what a survey can't show: a survey is basically lagging data, it's not showcasing what's   Innovating because you're not even usually asking questions about the latest innovations. So the questions inherent in this survey, my guess, are slightly flawed because they aren't asking some of the things I would ask based on all of the data and information that I get from this weird sort of fly-in-the-wall vantage point that I have in the industry.   we've always pushed this idea of three different types of buyers: cheapos, normals, and premiums.   Most cheapos self-manage. They exclude themselves from the pool of property management buyers. And then there's a small percentage that eventually go through the funnel online, and then you can capture through marketing. And these are this is what most companies base their pricing around, is based around the cheapos that they can get through internet marketing. Well, the best stuff usually comes through word of mouth or   Further out into the blue ocean. And so if you would like to see more about this, you can get my leads training by going to drgrw.com, which is doorgrow.com, or just go to doorgrow.com slash leads. So do the shortened URL or the longer URL slash leads. And you'll see our there is a clarity assessment you can do. There is a free training, and then you can book a call with our team.   And hear about some of the innovative gross strategies and stuff that we're doing with clients. So the thing to realize is that a lot of you know, it's showcasing these boomers as cheapos. And the the other thing though is it's it's saying that like 62% are represented here. And I think that the numbers of people that actually use property management is far lower than the 500 they surveyed. There's probably also a lot of people that   Aren't even aware of property management, even though they need it. There is this massive blue ocean. I think the numbers are probably more, maybe around 40-50% are self-managing versus using a property manager. And there's a lot of available potential business out there. And they're not looking on the internet. So here is some data that's not in the PM Trends report, but it's on trends.google.com. So if you go to trends.google.com.   And I just threw up an article on LinkedIn today before recording this episode. But if you go to this, go to Google Trends, backdate it to 2004 to the present, what and put in property management. And then feel free to add some other keywords like AI would be very telling, because we've seen the rise, meteoric rise lately of AI in terms of awareness and search volume. Put in real estate is another great keyword so you can kind of see.   What you'll notice is property management is such a minuscule amount of search volume, it barely registers compared to these other terms. And it spikes every summer and goes down every winter. If you remove those terms, is what you'll see. Now, in the last year, there's been a little bit of an uptick for the first time in basically two decades, which is amazing, which is awesome. That means market share is starting to maybe start to shift a little bit and grow. But there is this huge blue ocean of people that will never search the internet.   For property management. And that doesn't mean that they like doing it themselves. This survey probably isn't able to touch any of those people. And this, these are some of the people I get my clients to go after the most. Why? Because it's way cheaper. There's a huge blue ocean of people that are not looking on the internet for property management. The people that are looking on the internet are at the end of the sales cycle. These are typically the worst owners in a lot of instances.   Why? Because word of mouth captures the best stuff first and then the shitty stuff that falls off that table, the scraps that fall off the word of mouth table. Those are the people now that don't care about word of mouth or they don't care who people say is great. They think you're a commodity. They're looking for the cheapest company. And so generally there's a much higher percentage of cheapos that you're going to attract by doing digital or internet-based marketing.   YouTube. The challenge is there's a large percentage of owners that are not looking or searching for property management. They're not looking for property management stuff on YouTube. They're not looking for property management stuff on Google. They're not looking at all. They don't care about property management. Most people   That are even property managers are not usually consuming content around property management. Not very often. A lot of them self-identify as more of a real estate brokerage or real estate agent or anything else that they think is cooler. I even had a client I was coaching recently, and he said that he's really had this mental block, this mental block about wanting to tell people that he's a property manager. And I said, Don't tell people that you're a property manager.   Property managers in your market, he was in New York, are basically somebody that sits in a big building that, you know, they they help do leasing. That's kind of people's perception. You are an asset portfolio manager. You are an investment specialist. There's so many other ways you can present yourself. You are the entrepreneur that hires the property manager. I don't want my clients to identify as property managers. I want them to identify as an entrepreneur because identity limits growth.   the second thing that filters, which is perception. There's a really negative perception about property managers among real estate agents, among investors that are aware that most property managers, if I have you in a room and I say by show of hands, how many of you started your business? Because all of the other property managers in your market sucked. Usually almost everybody's hands go up. And then my joke usually is, but not yours, right?   And then they all laugh. So, but nobody wakes up in the morning wanting to start a crappy company.   So you could waste a massive amount of time trying to do a bunch of social media marketing, a bunch of YouTube videos, a bunch of content creation. And it's not generally going to get you the best clients because where you get your leads dictates the quality of the lead and how much they're willing to spend. And what we find is the clients you can connect with offline through warm lead strategies.   through direct outreach, through creating relationships, through networking, and some of the growth engine strategies we teach at DoorGrow, the conversion rate is way higher. The leads are way warmer, and which means the close rate's gonna be way higher. The trust levels higher, so you're able to get more deals on more easily. And it doesn't cost you anything. It costs you time, but it doesn't cost you any marketing or advertising dollars. And the and a lot of people like, well, I'd rather spend money and save time.   It these leads, warmer leads, take less time. They take less time in the sales cycle to convert. Cold leads take way more time because now you're a commodity and you're competing with all the other companies and now you're in this weird race to the bottom and you've attracted cheapos. Here's the other thing you won't see in this report. The other thing, it does not mention the operational cost of dealing with these different categories of owners. Cheapos, normals, and premiums. So here's the thing.   It talks about communication being the number one factor. I've heard this so many times, and I'm gonna tell you that I believe that this is a red herring or a lie. You have been made to believe by everybody the number one pre reason people leave companies is communication. But it's not because of a lack of communication, like everybody says. It is because of bad boundaries and bad expectations, so owners think.   That they need to be communicated with all the time. And then you have this huge burden of communication to fulfill. And it's very difficult to impossible when you have a whole bunch of crappy owners and a whole bunch of crappy properties and a whole bunch of crappy tenants, and you're caught in what I call the cycle of suck. So this is how the industry is caught in the cycle of suck because most property managers take on any client. So now you have bad clients. They take on any property. So now you have bad properties. And then you do tenant screening, but   You can't really filter that much because the tenants are going to be bad tenants if the property is bad or the owner is bad. Now it's a difficult situation for you to deal with, and you're basically a shit shield for a slumlord. And so now you've got these three things in the cycle suck, which leads to the fourth, which is you're gonna have a bad reputation. And this sums up the entire industry in aggregate. And this survey is based on the industry in aggregate. Okay, so.   What do we do with this? one, you need to realize that the best owners and the best clients that you they they don't want to be involved with their property. They don't want to know everything that's going on. They want somebody, what they actually want. They don't even want to buy property management. Everybody's selling the wrong product. What they want to buy is a trusted advisor, that they could actually relax into.   You have to be the dominant person in this relationship for them to be able to relax and to trust your leadership. And that reduces your operational costs significantly. This is how my wife's business at 265 or so units at its peak.   She still had 60 to 90 percent profit margin. These were C-class properties, and her owners, the boundaries were set very strongly that she is not going to talk to them. And if she calls them, they need to sit down because she's asking for money, because there's a significant problem. And they didn't call her. They they never called to like say, Hey, did you get that tenant in place yet? They just trusted her because she was so on top of things and she set very strong boundaries from the beginning.   This is something we coach our clients on heavily. Is that if you think that your business is all about communication, you've built your business the wrong way. Your business is about management. It's about leadership. And it's about allowing the owners to actually get away from their property and not have to hear from you.   And so when you suck at boundaries, communication becomes the number one factor. When you s and then you're gonna suck at communication because you're setting up an impossible game. Here's the thing: this does not talk about the level of interruptions, and interruptions are the biggest thief in a property management business of profitability. I want you to visualize this. Imagine you're writing a blank check and it says on it, steal all of my profits, and you're handing this to every client you bring on.   It says, call me whenever you want to. Email me, call me, text me whenever you want to. Here's the blank check to steal all my profits. And I will have team members and AI tools and technology and all of this stuff to communicate with you all the time and over-communicate, which just really makes you even more anxious. That makes you feel like you have to manage the manager. And that's not what they really wanted to buy from you. That's the booby prize they get by dealing with a property manager that doesn't know how to lead.   That doesn't have good boundaries.   like Sarah and I talk about this and she jokes and she's like, how many of my owners do you think knew what color we painted the walls or knew what kind of carpet we put into their property? They have no clue. They just trusted us to take care of it for them. They didn't care. They didn't want to know   Long as rent came in. They would call me surprise sometimes, she said. And they'd say, Why am I getting more rent than I was before? Why why is more coming into my bank account? She said, we raised the rent. FYI.   So here's the thing I want you to recognize.   First, there's three types of buyers: cheapos, normals, and premiums. Cheapos generally are going to opt out and self-manage because they're so cheap. But you should have three different price points and three different plans. The premium plan stuff that they mention in this report is useful. But because we've been building premium plans with our clients and helping them figure out the premium tier of their pricing, none of this stuff is a surprise. This is all stuff that's generally included in premium plans that we've been doing for over a decade.   though, you have to change your marketing to attract premium buyers. You're not going to get those by doing digital marketing and attracting the people that are now of super aware and super price sensitive that are searching on the internet. And so you're going to skew towards premium buyers more if you change your lead sources.   On some of the lowest rent properties, they have the highest operational cost. Operational cost was not factored into this report or survey. Not all owners are worth it and not all properties are worth it. And so you have to be aware of this and you need to be cleaning out your portfolio and you need to be firing the properties and the owners that are not profitable or just raising your rates on them to make sure that you make sure that this is profitable, right? Okay.   So these are some of the things that I wanted to point out in this report. I hope this is helpful for those that got this report and are looking into it. I think the the numbers are a bit skewed. It's obviously skewed a bit towards the different services, the different vendors and the different you know partners that came together to advertise and promote this and the sponsors. My recommendation is shift your marketing to offline.   This is the secondary effect of AI. Why? Because AI slop is the age we're in right now. And anyone can create anything AI-wise, digital-wise, marketing-wise. And so there's gonna be more and more digital just bloat and waste and noise. And those that are willing to pick up the phone, that are willing to go out and reach out and that create strategies that are have high leverage. We call these growth engines.   And if you would like to learn about some of the growth engines or get a free two-hour training, no fluff, that breaks down seven to nine different engines you can install in your business that are unique and different from what you're doing now. There are a lot of them are similar, for example, realtor referrals, but we have a strategy that is 10 times more effective. We call realtor intros. And so if you there's like targeting groups and simple changes like using a QR code and a booking link.   Could maximize the results of walking away from groups with leads. Stuff like this. So when you're doing presentations, so there's all these different strategies we share inside our mastermind. And we are at the forefront because we have an army of people focused on aggressive growth. Most masterminds out there in property management are nuts and bolts or operations. Ours is primarily focused on growth, and that growth drives the res the need for operational you know.   decision making operational fixes and challenges for fast growth, not just for building a bunch of AI tools and building a bunch of bloat and getting a bunch of tech and having the most efficient business. We want to optimize for growth. It doesn't matter if you have the coolest, most high tech business, if your profit margins aren't growing and your revenue isn't growing and your doors aren't growing and they're they aren't growing rapidly. And so if you want to shift out of being in survival to maybe being more   Getting having realistic goals, like 100, 200 doors a year, or even like our clients beyond that into what we call impossible goals, where you're able to come up with strategies and clever, unique ways to scale your business more quickly, then check us out at doorgrow.com. Reach out to us. This is the stuff that we have been focused on for 17 plus years now. And because we're always like we always have new, fresh ideas and   New guinea pigs and new people working on this stuff. We have accumulated, I believe, the fastest growth strategies that exist in the marketplace. And many of them cost zero dollars. In fact, I can usually grow companies faster if I convince them to turn off all the digital marketing, all the APM leads, all the Google ads, all of the SEO stuff. Stop spending money on that. And we put the time and energy towards warmer lead strategies that are out in the blue ocean.   Where there's tons of available business and very little red bloody water competition, like there is at the end of this cycle of people searching on the internet where you everybody's fighting over the coldest, shittiest, worst leads.   Okay, so if you want to go beyond what you just see in this PM trends report and you want to start innovating and being part of a community,   In person, not a bunch of Zoom calls, because growth and scaling happens in the room. Our mastermind is in person in the DoorGrow Mastermind. And yeah, it's expensive. But if I can help you offset it by adding 10 new units residually monthly, our program's paid for. And or if I can help you find another $10 per unit if you have 100 or 200 units, our program's already paid for forever. And that's why our program is there's no commitment.   It's month to month because we know we can offset the cost of the program usually within the first month or 90 days if you're willing to put in the work. If you need to add doors, if you're willing to put in the work, or if you already have a bunch of doors, if we can just find more operational costs. The three biggest levers operationally, financially, are people planning and process. And we have a system for this we call the super system. And this is where magic happens because your biggest expense besides taxes.   Which you can offset and eliminate is people staffing. And so if you can reduce those, also our program is easily worth it. Just consider that for the one, two, or three grand a month, depending on the level of the program you're in with us, we're like your cheapest team member that helps you make the most money. And it's an absolute no-brainer. So come join what hundreds of property management companies have realized. And the other thing I want to point out, what this doesn't talk about.   There's some invisible blind spots that every property management business I've ever looked at has. There's three foundational leaks. I've talked leaks I've talked about on the show previously. There are also six leaks that exist inside the pipeline. And most people are like, How do I grow? How do I turn on the leaks? And they're ignoring what comes after that. The hose. This is branding, reputation, sales pitch, pricing, all these things that will help clean up.   without even changing your current acquisition channels or lead sources, you could double the amount of deals that you're bringing on.   so if you would like to really grow your business, you want to grow quickly, you want to shore this up, you want to hear about our new door machine where we do the growth for you. I hire and train and manage a salesperson in your market. Then reach out to us at doorgrow.com and check it out. Now, today's sponsor, I want to read this message from our sponsor. We have an awesome sponsor today. It's super. If you haven't heard of Super,   You can check them out at higher super.com. Now, ring ring, who's there? Not property managers. Over half don't answer their phones during business hours. Hot leads calling you directly or going straight to missed calls. If you're spending time and money on growth, you need to actually capture it. That's where Super comes in. Super's AI receptionist sounds lifelike, answers 24-7, and is trained on property management. It even makes follow-up calls to leads you might have missed. Go to hiresuper.com/slash doorgrow and stop missing revenue.   Missed calls. Cool. So go check that out. Now, these are the key things. I again shout out to Peter and Jordan and all the cool people that were involved in putting this report together. I think this brings up a lot of the industry that pay attention to it a little closer to where we've been trying to push people over the last decade. I'm really excited to see some of the conversation that comes out of this and some of the innovation that comes out of this.   And yeah, and if you have ever felt stuck or stagnant, you want to take your business to the next level, reach us at dorgo.com for a free training on how to get unlimited free leads. Again, go to dorgo.com/slash leads or text the word leads to 512-648-4608. Also, we have a free community. We've migrated it from Facebook. It's now inside our own app. You can get the app by going to your app store right now on your phone. Do this right now.   Go to just search for DoorGrow and you'll see the DoorGrow Hub inside the App Store for iOS or the Google Play Store. Download this. There is a a space inside of this that is the new DoorGrow Club. And if you go to DoorGrowClub.com, it will take you to our new space inside of the DoorGrow Hub system that we have, our new community.   Most of the really cool places are locked down for our property management mastermind members or people that are in our PM Growth Launchpad, which is a little tool for that's really cheap, like 97 bucks a month to help some property managers get really good at cold calling and go create business right now. If you're struggling for doors, it's the most easy, consistent, I mean it's hard work, but it always works if you do it right. And growth strategy, and then in our mastermind, we have   more advanced growth strategies so you don't have to do the cold calling, that you can create leverage that once you build these growth engines, they just you keep a little fuel in them and they just keep running and they feed you more and more business. You can stack these, which is really awesome. And they really don't cost any money. It just takes time and it takes less time than doing cold lead marketing, like I told talked about earlier. So check us out, but go to DoorGrowClub.com   If you want tips, tricks, and ideas to learn about our offers and stuff like this, go to doorgo.com slash subscribe, subscribe to our newsletter, opt in. We would love to send you some cool stuff. And if you found this even a little bit helpful, don't forget to subscribe on whatever channel this is that you're listening or viewing this on and leave us a review. It helps us. We'd really appreciate it. It's a little way you could give back. Thank you. We appreciate it so much. And until next time, remember the slowest path to growth.   is to do it alone. So get a good group. Get in with a really good group of people that are focused on high paced growth. And so let's grow together. Bye everyone.  

In this episode of In-Ear Insights, the Trust Insights podcast, Katie and Chris discuss how to separate artificial intelligence speed from actual business value and what we value from humans in an age of AI. You will discover why productivity charts hide critical context that changes everything. You will learn how to spot the difference between quick output and solid results. You will master a simple framework for letting machines handle data while you keep full control over every choice. You will walk away with practical steps to scale your daily workload without sacrificing your unique perspective. 00:00 – Introduction 02:15 – The misleading productivity chart 05:40 – Decoding the midterm results 09:10 – When tests measure the wrong skills 13:25 – The seven ways to use AI properly 18:50 – Why humans must keep the steering wheel 23:40 – Practical tools for smarter workflows 28:15 – Fixing the education gap 32:00 – Call to action Press play to uncover how you can turn artificial intelligence into a reliable partner that amplifies your best work. Watch the video here: Can’t see anything? Watch it on YouTube here. Listen to the audio here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/inearinsights/tipodcast-ai-in-academia-workforce.mp3 Download the MP3 audio here. Need help with your company’s data and analytics? Let us know! Join our free Slack group for marketers interested in analytics! [podcastsponsor] Machine-Generated Transcript What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for listening to the episode. Christopher S. Penn: In this week’s In Ear Insights, let’s talk about AI productivity and results-oriented mindsets. We talk a lot about AI productivity gains, and a lot of people are rightfully asking, “Where’s the beef?” Going back to the 1980s Wendy’s commercial. I want to show you a chart. Katie, I want to get your reaction to this chart on some AI productivity gains and whether you would consider this a success or not. So let me bring this chart up here. This is from Brown University. We have individual workers, we have their original productivity scores in the gray, their AI-enhanced scores where they’re using an AI tool and how they increased. And the green numbers represent the percent change. Now, without any other context, at a first glance, what do you make of this? Is this an AI success story? Katie Robbert: Not necessarily. Christopher S. Penn: Okay, tell me why. Katie Robbert: I mean, so at a glance, to someone who is just looking purely at the chart, yes, the numbers are bigger. You have a bunch of green in the middle. So the percent change is positive. But as someone who is skeptical, I say, where did you start? What was the baseline? What are the roles? I have more questions than answers. I can’t look at this and go, wow, yes. Okay. Because to me there’s so much missing context. Who are these people? Is it self-report? What is the period of time that there? Is it one task? Is it multiple tasks? Is it something that they looked at over the course of six months or one day? I don’t know. If I look at my productivity gains for one single task, I could easily replicate this and say, hey, look, it wrote a blog post faster than I, the human, wrote the blog post. So therefore productivity gains. But what I don’t know is the blog post any good? How much editing does it have to go through? Is it something that’s actually ever going to see the light of day? And that’s one blog post. That doesn’t mean that every single post is created that efficiently. AI can create things really quickly. It doesn’t mean they’re any good. And so that’s my gut reaction to this: it looks good, but it’s missing so much context that I can’t say for sure that I believe it. Christopher S. Penn: Okay, I can tell you for sure these are actual scores. They are actual gains or losses. If your employee number S22 is there, you got it. Your performance went down. Katie Robbert: Yeah, yikes. Christopher S. Penn: Yeah, you got to go. But, and these are real outcomes that matter. Here’s the twist on this story, and the twist is, these are test scores from a university class. The midterm. The professor said, something’s up. The orange scores of the midterm scores. So in the final, he prohibited it. He made the test in person. No assistance, no devices. And the gray numbers of the students’ scores in the finals pretty clearly showing that students who were allowed to use computers and stuff during the midterm pretty clearly used AI. And this story has been floating around the social media sphere. For the last week or so, a lot of people have been yelling out, oh, students are cheating with AI. This is terrible. It’s the end of education. And my take on it was, well, I think there’s a bit more nuance to that. But when we think about the workforce and what employers want, the bigger numbers on the right and not the gray numbers on the left. Now, with this new context, what do you think? Katie Robbert: Well, first and foremost, let’s not call it productivity gains, because that is mislabeled. Second, I’m with you, Chris. The notion of an open book test is not new. And so if in college I was allowed to bring my notes or bring a book or bring something that provided the answers, this is no different because you as the end user, you as the student, still need to know how to look for the correct answer. Because AI hallucinates a lot. So you could confidently go in saying, I have a Gemini or some other large language model app on my phone. I can just look up all the answers. Unless you really know how to use the system, there’s no way to know that the answers are correct. And so I feel like it is nuanced. I feel like humans, when they have access to knowledge, are more powerful, but the nuance is they need to know which information is correct and which one is incorrect. So, I agree. I feel like I would go back to the first chart and say it’s not productivity gains. That is 100% misleading. That is not at all what this is. Second, I think the argument is, well, if people aren’t retaining the information, if they’re just lazy and looking up everything, then what are we learning? Well, you’re learning critical thinking and how to research things. That in and of itself is a whole skill set. Ask the academics. There’s a place for it. Christopher S. Penn: Yep. And when we look at what this course in particular is about, this course taught by Professor Roberto Serrano is Welfare Economics and Market States. But this is from the syllabus. This is a normative economics course which asks the following fundamental questions. Are markets good or bad for the economy? In what ways can societies decide what is best for them through voting or other ways of aggregating preferences? Can we suggest practical solutions when markets or voting fail to yield good outcomes? Are there current political economic institutions good for society? Are they or not? In what ways? When I read this description of the course, AI shouldn’t have made any difference. Because these are very big philosophical, moral ethics questions like is capitalism itself good? Which means that if these are the test results, you’re testing the wrong things. Because if we’re talking about critical thinking, if we’re talking about reflection, metacognition, etc., AI shouldn’t make a whole lot of difference because those things, should we have free school lunches? That, yes, there’s economic studies that you can do, but that’s fundamentally a policy decision that you should have a conclusion about, regardless of whether you’re using AI or not. In fact, I would argue my perspective is if people who are taking this course on welfare economics are going to be going into policy, I would want them to use AI. I would want them to gather research. I would want them to have it push back and forth. Now, whether or not they were actually doing that, I don’t know. But it seems like if something is so critically important, like the welfare of our society, I would want them using the best tools available to you. Katie Robbert: So it’s interesting, it strikes me. I don’t disagree with you. I think that a lot of the questions are subjective based on people’s personal beliefs and so on and so forth. My sense then is if the question was should schools offer free lunch? Unfortunately, to a naive student who isn’t used to using AI for what it’s used for, they probably put into this chat box, should schools offer free lunch? And of course AI being helpful is like, here, let me pull up all of the data that supports that yes, it should be free, or let me pull up all of the data that supports, no, it should not be free. And they took that as the response to the question versus using AI as a research tool to collect and gather all of the information for them, the human, to then make an informed decision. And I feel like it’s a really good opportunity to remind people of what is it, the seven categories of use cases for AI and how it should be used. Like, don’t use AI to make a decision. You’re the human, you make the decision. Use AI to gather your information. Summarize. I’m not going to remember all seven off the top of my head. Yeah, I was like, I got summarize, I got rewriting. That’s all I have for abstraction. Christopher S. Penn: Take data out of data classification. Organize your data summarization. Take your big data and make it small. Rewriting. Take your data from one form to another. Synthesis. Take a small data and make it big. Question answering. Ask questions of your data and generation. Make new data from your data. Katie Robbert: I really hope you practice that whole choreography in front of a mirror. Christopher S. Penn: Well, I do that in my talks. Katie Robbert: I know, but I think that. And so thank you for that. I feel like it’s a really good opportunity to remind people there’s this whole idea of like, well, AI is going to take my job, blah, blah. You, the human, still need to have those critical thinking skills. I feel like I’m beyond a broken record at this point. I don’t even know what the next phase of broken. Christopher S. Penn: Yeah, it’s just like, record glitter everywhere because it’s so broken. Katie Robbert: That’s a thing. The test example is a really good example of misuse of AI. Like we’re making a bunch of assumptions. We don’t know how students actually use these tools. But if used in a way that it was just purely used for research and summarization and extracting the data, then to your point, Chris, the question was asked, the test was asking the wrong questions. Because how are you going to grade based on subjective questions? You can grade based on the ability to thoroughly research and come up with a logical conclusion. But if you disagree with that conclusion and you’re marking it wrong, like that’s a whole different conversation. Christopher S. Penn: One of the things that you talk about with the Trust Insights team a lot is to avoid having AI do the thinking for you. You talk about this with our marketing reports and things like that. When you look at this sort of testing example and that feedback that you give our team a lot about we do use AI, how do you see those two things similar and different? Katie Robbert: I don’t have a problem with people using AI. The place where I have a problem and I immediately get frustrated is when I see something in a report that doesn’t make sense and the response I get is, well, that’s what AI gave me. And my first thought is, well, where are you in this? Where’s your thinking? Where’s your brain? I want to know your insights, Chris. I want to know your insights. Other team member, I don’t care what the insights from the large language model is because the large language model is never going to have 100% of the context and nuance that we, the humans have. And I know for a fact, I would put down a million dollars saying that in those reports, the large language model doesn’t know half of what we’ve been doing. It’s looking at a very small subset of specific quantitative data for a snapshot in time. It does not have the whole story. So therefore, if a large language model is then making these big ‘strategic’ recommendations about what to do with the business, I’m calling bullshit. Christopher S. Penn: Yep. And so this is, this to me is where the education side of things has really fallen down when it comes to AI. Is it binary, oh, yes, you should use it, or no, you shouldn’t use it? And it’s academic dishonesty if you’re using it’s a tool. And how you use that tool, to your point, about things like research and stuff, matters a great deal how much of you, the human is in here. Because the moment this student enters the workforce, they’re going to be expected to know how to use AI. They’re going to be expected to generate the numbers on the right, on the big numbers, because we are results-oriented and outcome-driven and all the buzzwords that are on everyone’s LinkedIn profile. But that’s in a lot of ways that’s true. That’s what we hire for. We hire for those big numbers. We don’t hire. We don’t necessarily. And ethics is a whole separate discussion. But putting aside ethics, that’s what leaders want. That’s what managers want. Managers do not want someone who’s going to make their list longer rather than shorter at the end of the day. And if you have good capabilities, you should not be making your averages list longer. Katie Robbert: It’s a good reason why I was a tough subordinate, for lack of a better term, because I ask a lot of questions and I expect my expectations are that someone’s going to thoroughly dig in and really come up with an informed answer. And my managers at the time were not doing that. Maybe it’s my expectations. I have a really hard time with the lightweight. Oh, I just looked at one study. So therefore it’s fine. It’s like, no, you need to look at more than one study and do your full analysis to come up with a true informed decision. Emphasis on informed, making decisions. What is it? Decisions without data is distraction. Christopher S. Penn: Data without decisions is distraction. Katie Robbert: Data without decisions. But I also feel like decisions without data is dangerous. Christopher S. Penn: Yeah, absolutely. So here’s two examples. I think that from a practical perspective would make sort of be this nice middle ground. Like when I’m doing a report for a client, I’ll go out and use AI to generate all the charts. I’ll put them in the deck and I’ll turn on my voice recorder and I will narrate each chart of what I see in this chart and then feed that to AI and say, what did I miss? Or what didn’t I see? And usually it doesn’t come up with anything. It will ask me questions. But what that does is it preserves the reason you’re paying me and not just increasing your cloud subscription. That’s one useful use case. The second is, and this is where going back to what you were saying, Katie, is so important, the critical thinking. Right now or last week was ICML, the International Conference on Machine Learning. It was in Seoul, South Korea. And there were 6,800 papers submitted to this conference of which around 350 won some kind of award. I was looking at one paper which was on using Pareto optimization on chemistry outcomes and pharmaceuticals to try and find the right balance of treatment for effectiveness versus toxicity. And when I read this paper, that’s a really cool idea. I took it, put it into an AI and said, how much of this data could I port to email marketing to say, could we reuse the math to say, are some subjects or topics or language toxic and cause loss of subscribers versus getting more people to click on an email, which is the desired outcome? And it gave me a whole long list of things that I’m still working on. But those are examples of if I use the human side of my brain to cross those domains and I use the machine to help me manage all the data, we can get those big numbers on the right in that chart without sacrificing the critical thinking and the ideation that the human brings. Katie Robbert: I’m going to say something that I say a lot. New tech doesn’t solve old problems. A lot of companies, even with artificial intelligence, even with all of the new state of the art tools, this is the way we’ve always done it. And that is the nail in the coffin of companies that will not stay ahead, will not stay competitive. Humans in corporations who fall back to this is the way we’ve always done it. Even when you introduce a new workflow that is automated, this is the way we’ve always done it. That workflow is going to get stale real fast. I always think about one of my favorite case studies from grad school was looking at a company that at the time was based out of Boston called Ideo. Ideo. And their whole mission was to understand human behavior. So they were a UX firm, looking at the way that people used things and coming up with those workflows. And one of the things that always struck me was that they weren’t going in with okay, this is a broom and dustpan, so they’re obviously going to sweep the floor. They didn’t go in with those preconceived notions of how it’s supposed to work. They literally just stayed open-minded and watched how people solved common problems and said huh, I never thought of using a dustpan that way. That’s really interesting. What else can it do? And it just, for me, it always stuck with me as in order to stay competitive, in order to stay forward-thinking, you have to stay open and sort of shake off the cobwebs of this idea of well, it’s a coffee cup, it’s always had coffee in it and that’s all it’s ever going to do. It has to be, oh, this is a coffee cup. Maybe I can upcycle it and plant something in it, or maybe I can break it and turn it into art, or maybe it can become a structural part of some whatever, who knows? I don’t even know. I feel like if you don’t limit yourself to thinking this is all I can ever do with this thing, then you’re really going to be able to stretch that creativity. But that critical thinking. So back to the initial example of the students taking the test. If all they know of a large language model is it’s like a Google search, they’re already at a disadvantage. Christopher S. Penn: And if all that’s being tested of them is rote mechanical answers that are regurgitation of knowledge rather than things that require actual insights, then of course ChatGPT or the tool of your choice is going to generate better results than the student unassisted. But you’re not testing the skills that the modern workforce needs. You are testing the skills that the 1930s needed, right? You need to be an obedient factory worker to come in and make widgets. We have robots for that now. We do not need humans for that. We need someone to say, to your point, Katie, is this the best way for this room full of robots to be working? Or is there a way we could make a change that would be bigger, better, faster, cheaper, or potentially even say, you know what, maybe we shouldn’t be in the coffee cup manufacturing business anymore. Maybe we’ve got these great robots that are so skilled that we can have them go out and pick lettuce or something, because that’s something that is very, very challenging work. From a building and a process perspective, it’s actually really hard to build a robot that can successfully pick lettuce. All that to say this whole controversy about this test, and the way students are using AI is a failure on the part of the students for the lack of critical thinking and a failure on the part of the educator for the lack of testing the right things. Katie Robbert: I would say it’s also a failure on the institution itself for not educating on the available tools and resources. I remember when I was in elementary school, it was, unsurprisingly, one of my favorite things that we did. There was a whole class on how to use the card catalog at the library. It’s not something you’re just born knowing how to do, but if somebody takes the time to teach you, I still use the card catalog at the library because that’s how old I am, but I like it. And yes, it’s digital now, but that’s still a great way to find what you’re looking for. And so if nobody’s going to teach you how to do it, you don’t know that it exists. If you’re someone who’s curious enough to find out on your own, that’s great. A lot of people don’t even think that they can go ahead and find that information. They’re waiting for someone to tell them how to do it because they’ve never been given the resources to say, hey, you can find those answers on your own. You can teach yourself. Some people just, that’s not just how their brain functions. It’s not a weakness or a bad thing. It just is what it is. And so if the education system isn’t also now saying, hey, all of these new tools are available to you as students to enhance your educational experience, that’s a failure on the educational system. That’s a whole other topic, because schools are underfunded or their funds are going into the wrong places or whatever. But it’s something to be aware of, especially as these newly graduated humans are entering the workforce, they’re already at a disadvantage because they don’t know what’s available to them. Christopher S. Penn: Yeah. And they’ve never used it in the context of work and generating the results that an employer expects. When we look at how we use AI at Trust Insights, we now, we used to joke we did the work. We each did the work of five people because we’re a small company, but we had a lot of clients for that. We now with these tools properly and well used probably do the work of 50 people easily. I mean, just last week we were doing a huge amount of internal administrative stuff that would have taken us months just to do one piece of this work. And, we were doing 18, 19 pieces. Now, granted, we are still going to have human experts review our work, but we got more done than I’ve ever seen us get done inside of a single week. Katie Robbert: I would agree with that. I mean, this is the whole. I’ve talked about it on live events. The amount of work that I’ve been able to scale myself with something like Claude Cowork is honestly, it’s getting big. That’s an understatement. Christopher S. Penn: I don’t know. Katie Robbert: I don’t have a better word for it, but. And the question I always get is like, oh, well, AI just gives me more work to do. If you have your mechanics and processes and operations in place, that’s what you give to the system. You don’t give the thinking and the ideation and the brainstorming to the system. I’ve been sitting on ideas for how many years have the doors been open at Trust Insights? Christopher S. Penn: 8. Katie Robbert: I’ve been sitting on things that I want to do. Ideas. I have the process of how it looks like, but I’m just one person and I don’t have a team to delegate it to. So now that’s how we’re scaling things. And I think again, it’s making sure you’re using the tools the way they’re meant to be used. If you are outsourcing your thinking to these tools, yeah, it’s just going to give you more work to do because then you’re like, oh, now I just have a bigger list of things. No, give the list of things that you’ve already thought of to the system. Let the system do it. You continue to create and ideate. Christopher S. Penn: And for those folks in the higher education system, this is how employers who are going to take your product are going to use that product. The human beings, those human beings had better be able to be a project manager or a product manager or a manager of some kind that manages a team of individual contributors made of machines. Because we’re paying for, we want to pay for the critical thinking. We want to pay for the genuinely good new ideas. We do not need to pay for someone that just regurgitates things. A machine can do that perfectly fine. We do not need to pay for somebody that can type. Again, a machine can do that perfectly fine. We need people who think. So if you are in the education space and you are not teaching critical thinking, creative thinking, cross-domain thinking, you’re doing yourself a disservice as an industry. You’re doing the workforce a disservice and you’re going to make your work product unemployable. Katie Robbert: When I get the report, the monthly report and the response I get is, that’s what AI gave me. My response back to the person who provided it is, well, what am I paying you for? And it’s a really cold and harsh comment, but it’s real true. It’s true. Perhaps my delivery is not that direct all the time, but sometimes it is. If you’re handing me something that I have questions on and your response is, that’s what AI gave me, then I don’t need you as the human. I can do this myself and get crappy insights from a large language model. I don’t need someone to push a button for me. Christopher S. Penn: Right, exactly. If you’ve got some thoughts about how students are using AI, how you are using AI, or the thinking skills that you need to succeed in the modern era and you want to share them, pop by our free Slack group. Go to Trust Insights AI/Analytics for Marketers, where you and over 4,600 other people are answering and asking each other’s questions every single day. Well, I got that backwards. Clearly not AI generated today. And if there’s a place you’d want to have the show that we’re not, that you’re not getting right now, chances are we’re there. Go to Trust Insights ASGI Podcast. You can find us at all the places fine podcasts are served. Thanks for tuning in and we’ll talk to you on the next one. Katie Robbert: Want to know more about Trust Insights? Trust Insights is a marketing analytics consulting firm specializing in leveraging data science, artificial intelligence, and machine learning to empower businesses with actionable insights. Founded in 2017 by Katie Robbert and Christopher S. Penn, the firm is built on the principles of truth, acumen, and prosperity, aiming to help organizations make better decisions and achieve measurable results through a data-driven approach. Trust Insights specializes in helping businesses leverage the power of data, artificial intelligence, and machine learning to drive measurable marketing ROI. Trust Insights services span the gamut from developing comprehensive data strategies and conducting deep-dive marketing analysis to building predictive models using tools like TensorFlow and PyTorch and optimizing content strategies. Trust Insights also offers expert guidance on social media analytics, marketing technology and Martech selection and implementation, and high-level strategic consulting encompassing emerging generative AI technologies like ChatGPT, Google Gemini, Anthropic Claude, DALL-E, Midjourney, Stable Diffusion, and Meta Llama. Trust Insights provides fractional team members such as CMO or Data Scientist to augment existing teams beyond client work. Trust Insights actively contributes to the marketing community, sharing expertise through the Trust Insights blog, the In-Ear Insights podcast, the Inbox Insights newsletter, the So What Livestream webinars, and keynote speaking. 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AI is changing cloud security fast, but the biggest challenge is not just adoption. It is governance. In this episode, Jess sits down with Brent Neil, CISO at RapidScale, to talk about what CISOs should be watching as AI becomes embedded in cloud environments, business workflows, and sensitive data systems. Brent shares practical insight on AI governance, identity and access, cloud security controls, and the risks that emerge when experimentation moves into production. The conversation explores how security leaders can support innovation without losing visibility, accountability, or trust. Brent also breaks down the questions CISOs should be asking before AI tools scale deeper into the enterprise. Because AI may be unavoidable, but unmanaged AI risk is optional. Segment Resources: RapidScale's IT Talent Gap Report: https://try.rapidscale.net/the-talent-gap/ This segment is sponsored by Arctic Wolf. Visit https://cisostoriespodcast.com/arcticwolf to learn more about them! Visit https://cisostoriespodcast.com for all the latest episodes! Show Notes: https://cisostoriespodcast.com/csp-226

Why do you feel so stuck, tired, and behind when you try to start over? Because the problem usually is not that you are behind, and it is not that you are not working hard enough. It is that your nervous system is stuck in survival, and you cannot design a new life from there. In this episode, Dr Amen Kaur walks through five steps to get unstuck and start over, whether that means a career change, a higher-paid job, or finally starting a business, grounded in the neuroscience of stress and a grounded, tradition-based approach to spirituality. This is not motivation or magical thinking. It is what actually moves you from surviving to creating.In this episode you will learn:Why you are not behind, you are early, and how AI is levelling the field for people starting overWhy fear and fatigue, not laziness, are what really hold you back, and the brain science behind itHow to get unstuck so your ideas finally turn into actionThe one question that designs a life: not what you could or should do, but what you want to doWhy your experience is your expertise, and how to turn it into real value using AIStudies and ideas mentioned:Amy Arnsten (Yale) on how stress takes the prefrontal cortex offline, the thinking and creating part of the brainInteroception research on how the body's signals get read as tiredness or fearFestinger's 1954 work on social comparison and how it lowers self-evaluationDeci and Ryan's Self-Determination Theory on autonomy and intrinsic motivationResearch on how belief and expectation from others can shape outcomesNamed traditions on releasing the grip on outcome: the Bhagavad Gita (2:47), Taoist wu wei, and trust in SufismFAQ:Why do I feel so tired and stuck when I try to start over?Often it is not true tiredness, it is a nervous system in survival mode, driven by fear and self-doubt. In that state the part of your brain you plan and create with is less available, so effort alone does not move you. The fix is to regulate first, then design.Am I behind if I am starting over later in life?No. Because AI is changing what work looks like for everyone, the old map is dissolving. If you are already learning to navigate uncertainty, you are early to the shift, not behind it.How do I get unstuck?Get your nervous system out of survival before you try to plan. Daily, gentle regulation, done consistently, is what lets your ideas turn into action. Borrowed motivation fades because it does not change your underlying state.What is the first step to changing careers when you feel behind?Ask what you want to do, not what you could or should do. Look back at what already comes easily to you, because the thing you undervalue most is often your real strength.Will AI take my job?AI is automating routine, repeatable tasks, and shifting value toward human judgment, creativity, and connection. That makes your experience more valuable, not less, if you learn to use the tools and create from what only you can offer.Listen and subscribe: Follow Starting Over, Being You on Apple Podcasts so you do not miss an episode.keywords: starting over, five steps to start over, overcoming self doubt, designing your life, creating your own path, AI and career change, value of personal experience, regulating nervous system, moving out of survival mode, finding your worth, creating a business from scratch, mindset for success, intrinsic motivation, personal development tips, leadership in uncertain times, emotional regulation techniques, building personal brand, enhancing self evaluation, finding purpose in work, embracing change

https://youtu.be/Ji1OZYu1r1Y Charles Fry, Founder and CEO of CODE Éxitos, is helping businesses hire AI in enterprise to transform software engineering, modernize product development, and build intelligent connected systems.  In this conversation, Charles introduces The Agentic Org Chart Framework: Hire Systems Thinker, Look for Failed Entrepreneurs, and Have AI Replace “Trade Skills”. He explains why AI is fundamentally changing software development, how organizations must redesign their structures for an AI-first workforce, and why systems thinking is becoming more valuable than technical specialization. Charles also discusses how the rise of agentic software development is reshaping the future of SaaS, why combining AI with connected hardware creates a stronger competitive advantage, and what business leaders must do to successfully navigate AI-driven transformation. — Hire AI in Enterprises with Charles Fry  Good day. Steve Preda here, and I’m talking with Charles Fry, the Founder and CEO of CODE Éxitos, building cyber-physical systems for mid-market and enterprise companies, as well as full-stack web, mobile, and SaaS development. Charles, welcome back to the show.  Hey, I’m happy to be here. It’s always great to see you, and I’m looking forward to our chat. Yeah. It’s so interesting to talk to you because the last time we had you on the show, three or four years ago, it was still before the AI age was fully upon us.  Right.  Your business was kind of a different business. I’ve been following you on LinkedIn, and I see that you’ve evolved your approach, and now you’re an AI-first company. So tell me a little bit about how that came about, this whole evolution, and how you found your new focus?  Yeah. Wow. It’s been that long since we were on the show. It was a lot of fun, but here we are. You’re right. AI really sort of came out of left field. I’ll skip all the technical things that suddenly made AI an achievable thing. But really, at the beginning of 2024—and somebody can fact-check my timeline—ChatGPT, if you were aware of it, was kind of passing the Turing test. It was giving pretty reasonable answers to natural-language questions.  And we were like, “Wow, this is interesting.” At first, we were helping our clients think about how to build those capabilities into their products, something we still do.Share on X But by mid-’24, late ’24, it became pretty obvious that one of the best applications of large language models—and expert systems, we used to call them that—is writing software. And so by early to mid-’25, the systems were suddenly not novelties. They were credible at what they were doing, and they were gaining momentum in the quality and credibility of the software they were producing.  Now, CODE Éxitos was started largely to create an opportunity for entrepreneurs and enterprises that needed, let’s call it, garden-variety, well-done software. We built that through the Americas to arbitrage labor rates in Latin America and leverage the time zones. So it was essentially an offshore, blended, hybrid-team model. Honestly, by the middle of 2025, the AI tools for software engineering were as good as, or better than, 50 percent of the human developers that we employed.  And at some point, as a business owner, when you’re out there representing yourself, and your product is yourself, and you’re representing that to clients, you have a moral and ethical obligation to say, “Hey, I think I can still give you the best product that you’re looking for, but I’m going to do it in a different way.” So beginning in late 2025, we were hard into the pivot. Today, all of our software development is done agentically. There are still people. It’s not a complete dark factory. But our mid-level performers and below, we exited them from the business, which caused a lot of human turmoil. I mean, we were at around 100 people. A lot of human turmoil. Our clients were going through the same thing. We were watching what was happening in their organizations and what the leadership demands were.  We just made the decision to lean into it. And here we are, almost mid-’26 now, and it’s actually going really well. Now, AI, of course, anyone who opens an internet browser anymore sees it. AI is everywhere. You read the newspaper. AI is going to change everything.  Every application has an AI layer to it.  Yeah.  Right? Every SaaS application has a button that says, “Use AI here.”  My view, at least—and these are the things people should probably give me some credibility on—I’m going to keep my views focused on how AI applies to the software industry, my industry, and its direct impact. We see, and we have clients working on, things like AI in customer service, the legal department, and the finance department. We do all of those things internally—agentic first, AI first. But those really aren’t my industry. I’m not ready to make a sweeping prognosis about how AI is going to change capitalism in the United States. But in the software industry, it’s a fundamental change. And it’s not done yet.  So what’s your vision? Where is everything going? What’s it going to look like three years from now?  Well, I’m not smart enough to know that. But I think the patterns we've seen—and again, within the world of writing software, and making that a broad category of activitiesShare on X —are going to continue to consolidate and converge to where humans are important, but they might be only 10 to 20 percent of the input to the process. I really do think we’re going to see a day, sometime in the three-to-five-year time horizon, where a large amount of software will be written and managed by other software systems.  There’s no technical reason to prevent that. For example, I was talking to one of our clients today, a CIO at a great company. A couple hundred million dollars in revenue. A really well-run business. A sizable internal IT team. But there’s a lot of ongoing maintenance and attention required. Building the software is just the beginning of a five-to-ten-year life cycle. So I think in the near term we’re going to see that building the software becomes, “Okay, we got that figured out.” That’s a largely solved problem.  We’ll then progress to the problem of: “Hey, this software has been in production for five years.” “It needs updates.” “It needs attention.” “It needs maintenance.” “It needs to scale.” More software systems will take care of that. Fewer and fewer humans will be involved in that kind of work. So I think that’s where the software industry is headed. I think it’s going to be 60 to 80 percent smaller in human capital than it is today. Sometime soon. Yeah. I really do think it’s about as close as I want to get to calling it an extinction event. Let’s put it that way. Some people say SaaS companies are going to go out of business, and it’s all going to be agents running around doing things for us. But other people say SaaS companies are actually the SOP for whatever activity is out there, and you need that structure. The SaaS application provides that structure. You don’t want agents running in an unstructured way. You’d rather have these SaaS applications. What’s your view?  I think that’s a good way of looking at it. If you’re a dinosaur like I am, back in the late 1980s or early 1990s, when you wrote software for a company, everything was custom software because there were no packaged software products, no SaaS platforms. But over the last 20 years, I think SaaS companies have become, for a lot of businesses, exactly what you said. They’re the embodiment of best practices. If you take something like HubSpot, which I’m sure you and many of your audience are familiar with, you really don’t need to customize it.  You just need to follow its baseline processes because they have thousands of customers who have helped refine the sales motions that work. So I think there’s some truth to that. The problem SaaS systems face is that the barrier to competitive entry is much, much lower. If you look at a company like Salesforce—and I think I’ve led three different Salesforce deployments back when I was a CIO or CTO—that software really shows its age. It’s layers and layers of complexity built to serve a wide audience. It’s great. It’s expensive. Emerging companies don’t need that. They can effectively vibe-code their own CRM system, and it works. I think the threat for big SaaS companies is twofold.  One is that the next generation of customers is going to onboard very differently into those systems than the previous generation.Share on X I don’t know what that onboarding ramp is going to look like. The second problem is there’s very little defensibility in having a pure software product. And the other part of our intro—you talked about cyber-physical systems. We’re spending more and more of our product development cycles on hardware-related products, things that have a nexus in the physical world. Here’s a good example. I’m wearing one of these health rings. This Oura Ring. Oura, yeah.  There’s a lot of amazing hardware in here that justifies my monthly subscription for the app. The app we could recreate pretty easily. But the development, manufacturing, and distribution of this physical item create a much higher barrier for a competitor to overcome. So more and more of our clients are companies that have a physical product they either want to make smarter or make more connected.  That’s really what it comes down to. And that’s a pretty exciting space. But for a pure-play SaaS company, I think it’s going to get tough. The competitive pressure is going to be intense. And the barrier to entry is going to be really low. It’s not even about engineering cost anymore because the cost of engineering has dropped so much with AI. It’s almost like it went full circle. You had all these product businesses that wanted to become service businesses to create recurring revenue. And now the service businesses—the SaaS businesses—want to become product businesses to create a barrier to entry, improve retention, or reduce disruption. Isn’t that interesting?  Yeah. I hadn’t thought about it exactly that way. Maybe the pushback would be that these professional services businesses wanted to have a technology play or a platform. That’s interesting. But I think we’re going to see AI, at least in technology, continue to lower the barrier to entry. It will allow much faster experimentation with pure software ideas. And we’re focused on the things where the AI robots can’t play. They’re not going to cut your grass.  They might guide the machine that cuts your grass, but they’re not going to cut your grass. So I think that while the turmoil is still sorting itself out in the pure software world, we’re going to see a whole new set of opportunities open up. We’ll be able to build truly smart devices. Devices that think for themselves. Devices that are aware of the world around them. They can participate with us in our day-to-day work. That’ll be a lot of fun. I think we still have some rough sailing ahead of us as AI sorts itself out.  Isn’t it true that people prefer to interact with a purpose-designed device rather than a software product? And maybe an app is kind of a device that is software, or maybe that’s the overlap there. But I know there are some things I’d rather have on my phone, even though it’s complicated because there are so many other things on it. But if I have a single-purpose device, like you have your Oura Ring, it’s easier to interact with. There’s no complexity, and then it lowers the accessibility.  Yeah. An area of active study is something called HMI, or Human-Machine Interface. Again, back in the ’80s and ’90s, it meant things like: Are the buttons big enough for someone to push? Does a red light always mean a bad thing, and a green light always mean a good thing? But now that’s expanded into the kind of research in psychology and sociology that you’re talking about, Steve. Some of that is really amazing.  I’m sure you’ve seen them, and your audience has seen them. You can find these videos on YouTube. There are humanoid robots. It took a while for researchers to figure out that a robot doesn’t actually need a head. It can have what is essentially a torso with arms and legs. The head doesn’t really need to be there. But a robot with no head freaks people out. Yes. People don’t like it. So the robotics engineers put heads on them. Then they thought, “Well, if we’ve got a head here, we’ll just put a face on it.” But if the face is too realistic, it gives people the creeps.  Yeah.  So people didn’t like faces on them. If you look at the current generation of humanoid autonomous robots, they have these, I don’t know, sort of pseudo-faces. They kind of look like Halloween jack-o’-lanterns or something. They’re not scary, but they’re somewhere in the middle. Anyway, the things you’re talking about are really fascinating.  I mean, Isaac Asimov wrote about humanoid robots and all the challenges that come with them. What happens when they have a human-like appearance? What happens when people think they are actually people, but they just don’t age? All those things have been explored. But listen, I’d like to switch gears here and ask you this. Right now, in this AI age, what drives your business? What drives growth in your business?  This part is truly fascinating to me. Everyone is working off the same timeline now, which isn’t a very long timeline. We don’t have a lot of experience to draw on. Much more quickly than when the internet became commercially available—I was there when that happened too— the adoption of AI as a fundamental change happened in a matter of months, compared to several years for the internet.Share on X Some people also compare it to the adoption of mobile phones, which you mentioned.  But this has happened very fast. A year ago, we were talking to sophisticated technical buyers who said, “Yeah, I’m still on the fence about whether I like agentic software development.” That doesn’t happen anymore. Everybody says, “Yeah, we’re using it too.” What we’re seeing now is that it’s evolved so quickly and had such a fundamental impact that people don’t know not only how to manage it inside their business, but also how to deploy it. It’s really disruptive. And this is where you’re a pro.  It’s really disruptive to organizations. So in less than a year, we’ve gone from, “Hey, should I let my developers use AI?” to now everybody using AI. And the leading teams, including ours, can produce high-quality commercial code faster than organizations can absorb it, and faster than org charts can adapt to the change. Our engineering teams have to adapt to the pace of the business, not the other way around. Because we get clients saying, “Hey, you guys are producing too much.” “We can’t check everything.”  “We haven’t finished testing last week’s new features and capabilities yet.” “We can’t take another batch of features and capabilities this week.” So we’re seeing a lot of organizational behavior change starting to come out of this. When we’re talking to C-level executives and senior leaders, that’s where most of the conversations are today. “How do I retool my organization to capture the benefits?”  Yeah. Because what I see is that the more AI you apply, the faster decision velocity becomes. And the complexity of understanding the whole picture, connecting the dots, increases. So you need a different kind of person who can operate at that higher level of contextualization. Do you see the same thing?  We do. Software engineering and product development had matured into a pretty predictable set of job descriptions and capabilities. The business processes were really well worn. We knew what the product owner did. We knew what a project manager did. We knew what a tech lead did. Et cetera, et cetera. A lot of these, frankly, became trade skills. “Hey, I’m really good at writing code.” Or, “I’m really good at doing QA, but I’m not really a systems thinker.” “I’m not an entrepreneur.” “I’m not a creator.” Pick your fuzzy lens of choice.  That’s really what AI displaces right now. AI displaces those trade skills and, frankly, does them better and cheaper. There’s no way to dispute that. What we look for now, and I think where the trend is going with our clients, is systems thinkers. We have enough agentic tooling built on our own internal platform that the people operating and building products for our clientsShare on X —we refer to our team as digital creators—come from a variety of backgrounds. You don’t have to be a computer science major. You do have to have some domain experience. You do have to be a systems thinker. You do have to understand what business value you’re trying to create. But as far as actually writing really good code, nobody’s really doing that now. It’s being done automatically.  If you have a couple of gray hairs like I do, you’ll remember back 20 years ago when we talked about the war for talent. That’s what everybody was looking for. They wanted people with these highly specialized engineering skills. I think there’s a new war for talent. It’s going to be harder to pin down because we’re going to be looking for whole-systems thinkers as opposed to technical specialists. Because AI will be the technical specialist we need, regardless of the business domain. So what do you do to infuse systems thinking in your business?  Wow. I wish I had a good answer for that. I don’t even know how to recruit these kinds of people right now. I’ll be that candid with you and your listeners. I was talking to a couple of my senior people, and I said, “Maybe we should go look for failed entrepreneurs.” Which is kind of a heretical thing to say. But as an entrepreneur, I know firsthand that it doesn’t always work. The fact that the business fails doesn’t necessarily mean you, as an entrepreneur, are a personal failure.  Entrepreneurs are about the only, I don’t know, primary source I can think of for people who have done a little bit of everything. They’re systems thinkers. Maybe they didn’t get it right, but they could. So we talked about that. I don’t know if Disney still does it, but Disney was phenomenal at producing these kinds of people through its internal training programs. We’re not big enough to compete with Disney. But to answer your question, how do we teach it? I can’t honestly say that we do. Because we’re still figuring out what it is that we would even teach.  Well, it’s a new type of SOP that’s needed in the business. So what are the best practices for building an AI workforce? That still needs to be defined.  Yeah. For larger organizations, our clients that are running larger organizations have the same problem. All of a sudden, their org chart is broken. What I mean by that is, if you look at the way we’ve traditionally built and scaled businesses, you have this pretty large cadre of managers who give you what Eliyahu Goldratt called the span of control, your degree of leverage. When you’re younger, you hear things like, “Ah, my manager doesn’t even do anything.” You’ve probably heard that before. “Oh, my manager doesn’t really do any work.” “He just comes in and bugs me.”  It’s not entirely wrong because we rely on that manager’s experience to be spread across six, eight, or ten other people and supervise their work. So managers don’t really do a whole lot of delivering the work themselves. I think AI is going to change that. I know AI is already changing that inside technical teams. All of a sudden, we have clients saying, “My org chart doesn’t translate to the way my business operates under this new agentic model.” That’s problem number one. Problem number two is, “I have people on my team who are good people and good contributors, but there’s no box for them in the new org chart that I think works with an agentic workflow.” Does that make sense?  Yeah.  So two things have happened suddenly. We see a lot of press—although I think it’s moderating a little bit now—about how kids coming out of university are having trouble getting entry-level jobs. True enough. I think the other area where org charts are collapsing is managers who don’t actually produce any output. Supervising other managers and compiling the weekly report of reports just isn’t a valuable job function, even at the best of times. And now—I hate to say this—but it’s useless. So I think there’s a lot more work we’re going to have to do with our clients, and ourselves, on what an org chart should look like. And what the expectations are for people doing work inside a company that’s moving aggressively toward leveraging AI capabilities in what we would normally call white-collar job functions. Yeah. Some years ago, I thought about the org chart being broken. The top-down hierarchical org chart—I think it’s completely broken. In my head, the org chart is more like an amoeba, where you have the entrepreneur and the manager in the middle as yin and yang. Different departments report to different people. And you’ve got these pizza teams all over, actually delivering teamwork. But that’s fascinating. Yeah, fascinating topic. So who are the ideal customers for you? If they have the right kind of projects, what are the right kinds of customers and the right kinds of projects for CODE Éxitos that would be interesting to look at?  There are two types of clients that we focus on and that we can help quite a bit. The first type of client is one that has a large, established internal software development and product development process, and they’re trying to figure out how to adapt, modernize it, and harness AI. We can come in, and we have a very opinionated point of view. We can have a couple of conversations, and they either like the direction our telescope is pointed in and want us to help, or they say, “No, we think we’re going to do it a different way.”  And that’s okay, too. Because right now, nobody really knows the final answer. We call those engineering transformation projects. Somebody says, “Hey, we have a team. Can you help us get better?” The second type of client we like is one that has this physical connection challenge. I’ll give you an example. We have a client that primarily makes pumps and motors. They put those pumps and motors into very specific industrial applications across North America. They wanted those pumps and motors connected to a network.  They wanted to collect data from those pumps and motors to help their customers. Once we built the data collection, the electronics, and the connectivity, the data started coming in. Now there are a lot of AI-related things we can do with that data. We’re beginning to work on what you can think of as supervisory agents that watch what’s going on. They’re much more robust than the old filters that just looked for exceptions and red lights. Those are the kinds of clients we really help on the product side.  Sometimes they come to us with an idea scribbled on a napkin. It’s like, “Hey, we have this system or this process that we envision, and we need somebody to help us build it.” We’ll do the electronics, the AI, and the software engineering. And that becomes a complete system. So, more systems thinking. Yeah. And then you combine software with hardware. Then you have AI agents doing much of the coding, management, and maintenance of these systems.  Yeah, that’s right. This is not a client of ours, by the way, but the story I’m going to tell is fascinating. It’s a second-degree connection that I chatted with. He runs a $100 million-a-year manufacturing company. I think he’s second or third generation—I can’t remember which. He knows the business. He grew up in the industry. He’s in the process of transforming the company so that he can basically run the whole business from his phone.  He’s applying AI to his internal business functions like finance and accounting. He’s done some really amazing stuff. He’s automating the manufacturing process, the machines, and the feedback systems. It’s just stunning what this guy is already able to do. He just picks up his phone and says, “Yeah, I want to run my company from here.” I think he’s going to be able to do it. I think we’re going to see more of that emerge. Yeah. That’s fascinating. The race is for the first one-person unicorn, right?  I think that’s already happened. I don’t know if you’ve seen this. I can send it to you. There was a New York Times article a couple of months ago about a guy—not a tech guy, a marketing guy. He and his brother run an online company that generates $1.8 billion a year in sales. And it’s just the two of them. Wow!  Spoiler alert: As I remember, they sell weight-loss drugs. He’s a marketing guy with a tech background. He figured out all these marketing channels where, if you order Ozempic or whatever online, it basically drop-ships from the pharmaceutical company to you, and he gets a cut. But he said in the article, “At one point, we were doing $300 million a month in sales.” He goes, “Well, technically, I’m not a one-man company because I had to hire my brother to help me out.” So it’s the two of them.  That’s pretty great. Yeah. That’s definitely a unicorn. So if you’re listening to this and you have an enterprise company, and you want to harness AI in your business, create agentic systems, streamline your operations, and make your company more efficient and productive, then reach out to Charles Fry at CODE Éxitos. Any last thoughts for listeners who are thinking about building a business in the AI age? What advice would you give them? I don’t know that it’s changed a whole lot. Building a business is always hard work. For any listener who wants to chat about any of these topics or see if we’re the right fit, they can always reach out and contact me. The conversation is free, and I usually learn something from it. But no, I would say that things are different. It doesn’t mean they’re wrong or better. I think they’re just different. It’ll be interesting to see how all of this unfolds over the next few years.  Yeah.  I’m in it for the journey.  We’re living in interesting times. So, Charles Fry, Founder and CEO of CODE Éxitos, thanks for coming on the show. And if you enjoyed this show, make sure you follow us on YouTube and Apple Podcasts. Give us a review, and stay tuned because every week I bring an amazing entrepreneur onto the show. Thanks for coming. Thanks for listening.  Thanks, Steve. Important Links: Charles's LinkedIn Charles's Website

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https://youtu.be/xkCGHOYkdC0 Grant McKinstrie, CEO of Digital Position, is passionate about helping eCommerce brands grow by combining customer insights, data-driven marketing, and emerging technology. With more than two decades of experience in digital marketing, Grant has built a team that helps brands increase revenue through SEO, paid media, conversion optimization, and customer-focused growth strategies. We explore Grant’s DP Growth System: Ask AI where consumers congregate, Immerse yourself in their communities, Create content they crave, Engage them on Reddit and Quora, Have influencers create videos, and Turn craved content into ads. Grant explains why understanding customer conversations is more valuable than relying on assumptions, how online communities reveal unmet needs and buying signals, and how businesses can transform those insights into content, influencer partnerships, and advertising campaigns that drive measurable growth. He also shares how AI is changing marketing, the challenges of scaling an agency, and why innovation remains one of the most important drivers of long-term business success. — Build Yourself a Growth System with Grant McKinstrie  Good day. Steve Preda here with the Management Blueprint Podcast, and today my guest is Grant McKinstrie, the CEO of Digital Position, a full-stack agency that builds a growth system for e-commerce brands. Grant, welcome to the show.  Thank you so much for having me. Good to be here.  Well, it’s great to have you here. And I’d like to start by asking you: What is your personal ‘Why’, and what are you doing to manifest it at Digital Position?  Well, specifically when we think about the eCommerce space, there’s so much crap being sold out there. And also, in terms of what AI has done to the industry, it has allowed a lot of people to start a lot of different businesses, sell a lot of stuff, do a lot of dropshipping, and all these different things. It’s about trying to find the gems. It’s about finding the good people to work with and the businesses that are worth growing at the end of the day. There’s so much good stuff out there that gets pushed down because either they haven’t worked with a good agency or they just don’t know how to market themselves well enough.  And I think the drive behind trying to find those people who are genuinely nice to work with and brands that are absolutely worth promoting and bringing out into the world is awesome and very rewarding. Being able to do that is incredibly fulfilling. That’s not to say that we’re perfect in every way, shape, or form. And it’s not like every single business we work with is perfect either. We do what we can. But all in all, I want to be able to help market products, people, and businesses that are absolutely worth getting out into the world and getting more people to know about.  Yeah. That’s so interesting that you say that because I had a client in this space where you are, and they were a little conflicted because some of the brands they represented, they were not really proud of. And I think it really impacted their culture in turn. They felt that they were not operating with integrity with all of their clients, and that created internal friction. And it kind of held them back to some degree. So that’s fascinating that you talk about this. And I also noted on your website that your average client tenure is over four years, which I think bears testament to this. Yeah. In a large majority of cases, I mean, we’ve had certain clients for six years and, in some cases, even eight years. So when you have tenures like that, they certainly last a long time. And sometimes it just doesn’t work, and we’re also very willing to openly admit that. I don’t want anyone to think, “Oh, if we sign up with you, it’s four years, and then we’re just constantly paying you for, I don’t know, whatever reason it might be.” But genuinely, we’re here to see how we can legitimately grow the business and actually bring you profit dollars that you weren’t seeing otherwise.  Because so many businesses that we come across are just not able to allocate their marketing spend efficiently. And they’re just… I don’t know. Not to get too much into the nitty-gritty of things, but in a general sense, 95% of the businesses we talk to are essentially burning money. And in most cases, they’re being worked through an agency churn-and-burn system. And it hurts to see. Literally, I had a pitch two hours ago before this call where every single platform they were on was just burning money. They were trying to remarket to people who already knew about the brand and spending money on people who already knew about them and were already going to purchase from them.  And the agency was trying to tell them, “Hey, all of our metrics are great.” But the business is suffering because of it. It happens all the time. It generally results in tough conversations for us because agencies have such a bad reputation. And we’re always trying to pick up the pieces and revitalize that relationship. Which has its highs and lows in many ways. But we’re out here doing the best we can. Okay, so that’s a great segue because this podcast is all about frameworks—how to do something that maybe other entrepreneurs are trying to do, don’t know how to do, but you figured out. So do you have some kind of framework? Maybe it’s about getting an eCommerce company up and running on advertising and advertising profitably. Maybe it’s some other area in your business that is easy to explain in three to five steps. Does anything come to mind?  The biggest thing that we have realized lately is what we have deemed community engagement. One, because of AI, you can scrape information so easily across the internet, and you can get fed so much crap that AI is just going to automatically generate for you. But what really matters at the end of the day is: who is your audience, where the heck do they hang out, and what are they talking about?  So we are constantly looking to inject ourselves into Reddit threads, Facebook threads, YouTube comments, Quora—wherever those people possibly are. Get into the subreddits. Get into those Facebook communities. Get into the comments of influencers or whoever is relevant within that space, and talk to them. See what they’re talking about within those threads. Engage with them. Have a conversation so that you can understand what actually makes this person tick. What do they truly care about? What do they call things? What are they talking about on a daily basis?  So that when you start creating content that resonates with those people, you know exactly how to connect with them. Because, as I mentioned earlier, so many people are creating commoditized products and content because of AI, because it’s making it that much easier to do. Nobody is truly trying to connect with the consumer at the end of the day. And therefore, you’re going to have so many people who become numb to anything being thrown in their face unless they actually feel like they’re being spoken to.  So the biggest thing is to get to know the person on the other side of the screen. Go to where they hang out. Go to where they’re engaging. And listen to them. I think a lot of people forget that and want to go straight into data, metrics, spreadsheets, and all this stuff. When there is a human-to-human interaction happening within marketing every single day. And that is what you need to continue to focus on. Okay, so maybe that’s the beginning of the framework. So get to know the person—or the customer—or both.  Yeah. And it sounds really simple. It’s funny, when you put it that way, it’s just: listen to the person you’re trying to sell to. But it’s incredible how infrequently that actually happens. Because a lot of people will talk about, “My product is the best. My product is so good because it does this cool little thing that nobody else does.” But who really cares unless it’s actually solving a problem that somebody has? And unless they’re able to understand exactly how it’s going to make them feel in that moment when that problem is solved or how it connects to their core persona or whatever it might be. It’s a very simple framework. But it is the most important thing that a lot of people tend to neglect.  No, I love it. I love it. So what does the actual framework look like? I understand you go to Reddit, you go to Quora, and you listen. But what is the process? How do you even know which part of Reddit you should go to, what you should listen to, and who the customers are? Give me the rundown. What do you do when a new customer walks through the door and you want to figure out how to make them successful?  Yeah, of course. So I think Reddit is just the easiest example. I think it’s what a lot of people are familiar with, but it also provides value because it’s related to all the LLMs and what they like to cite as sources as well. Funny enough, one of the best ways to start is if you have a brand, a service, or something that you’re looking to build. Feed that into AI—Claude, ChatGPT, whatever works for you—and have it help you understand: “Hey, what subreddits should I be participating in?” If I want to sell vegetable seeds, for example—and that’s an example from a client we’ve worked with—or if I want to get more into gardening, where should I go?  It will point you to gardening, DIY gardening, seasonal gardening, and all these different places that have communities of people who are very specific when it comes to anything you want to know about gardening. Then you jump in there and see people talking about: “When should I start planting my tomatoes?” Or: “When should I do any transplanting?” Or: “How do I need to handle my watering schedule?” And then you have layers and layers of threads, topics, and information that you can gather from. People are giving it to you for free and telling you exactly how they handle those things.  And that turns into content. That turns into ways for you to engage with those people. It turns into ads because if you’re able to understand what their pain point is, then you can make an ad out of that. At the same time, you can pull a lot of that information using AI. But the biggest impact still comes from truly engaging with those people. So you said that when you figure out what those communities are talking about in their Quora or Reddit communities, then you can engage with them. You can create content, you can create ads, and you can engage. And I’m just wondering, are there other forms of engaging with customers other than through content and ads? Good question. So yeah, that’s the main part. You can directly comment within those Reddit threads, or you can start creating your own content within those Reddit communities. If you start to see a trend of multiple people asking, “How do I start planting my tomato seeds?” Or, “Where do I even start with this?” Then you can create an entire guide on your website. Build a blog post around it. Or you can get together with an influencer who’s able to make a video around it and show the entire process through a visual element as well. So you’re not just doing written content, but video too. And then you can even run ads around that.  Because one of the biggest things, for example, with this brand that I’m kind of alluding to, is that every single ad and every single piece of content they were putting out beforehand was very disconnected from the true gardener at the end of the day, or the true DIY gardener. Because everything they showed was a picture of this beautiful, perfect pepper or tomato that nobody ever experiences unless you’re operating a commercialized system with all of the technology they have access to. But somebody in their backyard is not going to have a perfectly round tomato or a perfectly formed pepper. And therefore, no one knows how to get there. So you have to show them the step-by-step process.  What soil do you need to buy? What seeds should you buy? And then you become part of that system because: “Oh, I need to buy seeds. Okay, I’m going to go to this company and buy seeds from them.” And they also helped me throughout this entire process by becoming the subject matter expert on what to do with tomato seeds. It becomes this kind of system that you naturally inject yourself into as you create content that connects with that person. Because the biggest thing was recognizing that all of the content they were putting out beforehand made people think: “Well, my food is never going to look like that if I plant it in my backyard.” Yeah. “But how can I get there so that I feel a lot less stressed about even starting?” And you’re providing this entire guide for me to follow so that I can become a better DIY gardener.  Yeah. I love it. It’s a great approach to basically figure out where to go, talk to the people, and then communicate with them and create helpful guides for them. And the influencer video—that’s also very clever. So that’s how you help drive growth for your clients. But how do you drive growth in your own business?  Yeah, good question. Funny enough, man, it is so much harder to do it for yourself when you are so focused on other people. Reflecting inward is always tough. But what we have recognized lately is that you have to have a good freaking offer. Because so many agencies in this space say the same stuff. I sat on Instagram for two hours one day and rifled through every single ad from marketing agencies in the space.  And everybody says the same thing: “You’re doing your ads wrong.” Or: “You have no idea what’s happening with your attribution.” Or: “Google Ads is making you lose money.” Or: “Meta Ads sucks.” And all these different things. And everyone is saying: “You should let us do a free audit for you.” Or: “Come talk to us and we’ll help show you what’s wrong.” It’s like, okay, there’s a pretty big gap there. I have to spend all this time talking to you just to figure out whether you’re a legitimate business and whether you’re actually going to solve my problem. And you’re not really offering anything other than: “Hey, let’s sit down and talk about it.” When everybody else is doing the exact same thing. So the offer across the industry is generally weak.  There are a few agencies that have well-built offers. What we personally figured out through A/B testing is that we don’t even try to lead with the marketing conversation. Because in some cases, businesses find it difficult to admit: “Hey, our marketing sucks.” Or: “Marketing is our problem.” But a lot of people can identify whether their website sucks. They can look at it and say it’s old or that it’s not converting well. It’s generally easier for people to make that connection than the marketing connection.  So we’ve built an offer around A/B testing. For just about any eCommerce business doing over $1 million in annual revenue, we’d love to do a free A/B test for them. We will build a landing page of their choosing. It could be their homepage. It could be a product page. It could be whatever. We will create a mock-up ourselves and come to the call with it. We’ll show them our version alongside theirs. They can decide whether it seems better or not. And if they want to move forward, we’ll implement it on their site for free. Then we’ll run an A/B test until we reach statistical significance and can determine whether our page or their page performs better.  Either way, there’s no cost to them. We just want to show that we’re capable of providing value. We want to demonstrate that we can create something better than what they currently have. If it works out, awesome. Let’s continue the conversation. If not, no harm, no foul. We weren’t able to improve it for them, and it doesn’t make sense to continue the conversation.  Yeah. That is impressive. So you’re actually building a competing site, and you show them that you could do a better job than they are, essentially. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And it’s… I don’t know. There’s somebody that I interact with who always says, “There are no sacred cows. There’s no ego in all of this.” It’s just, “We genuinely want to show that we can provide value in any way, shape, or form here.” It has garnered a lot of interest because it’s low friction. It’s, “Hey, at the very least, when we come to the call, we are going to show you something, and hopefully you like it.” And 100% of the time we’ve done this, everybody has loved it.  So it’s been a great source of driving more leads, more conversations, and more at-bats for the business. Simply by having an offer that people want to see value from, as opposed to: “Hey, we’re going to do an audit. There’s going to be a long turnaround time. Then we have to figure out the next steps. Then there’s going to be this big price tag,” or whatever it is. Whereas we’re just going to do something for you for free. If it works, great. If not, you didn’t lose any sleep over it.  Yeah. Love it. That’s pretty cool. And I think what’s really cool about it is that you do it without disrupting their existing business. Exactly. So they don’t feel like, “Okay, maybe it’s at no cost to me. Maybe it’s a marketing thing.” But at the same time, if you’re interfering with my customers, that’s actually a negative. Because it can create damage. That’s my reservation about people who offer to drive business for me. Yeah. But then they want to use my LinkedIn profile, and they can spoil my reputation online. And I’m never going to allow it. Because it interferes with my business. So I love that you found a way around that. That’s pretty cool.  Absolutely. Yeah, and we’re hoping that it just continues to grow. Fortunately, AI has allowed us to move a lot faster with this because I think that historically would have been a major holdup. Mocking up a page is not a very easy task. But because we’re able to understand the business and generate something relatively quickly through our experience and understanding of how a page should be structured, it works out really well. Yeah. Love it. So switching gears here, let me ask you this: What is something that you’re actively trying to figure out in your business?  Ooh, boy. Scale. I think the ability to scale something like this is where I’m trying to figure out what is going to break next. Historically, we’ve struggled to figure out things like: “Oh, we need a really good offer to drive cold outbound leads.” We have historically been a referral-only business. And while that’s worked, it certainly isn’t as sustainable long term as building a proper, predictable cold outbound system.  Now that we have something that is starting to work, and we’re seeing more leads come in, the question becomes: How do we scale this without the business breaking if we suddenly see a significant increase in leads? Because realistically, in the past, it’s been rare that we’ve had so many leads in the pipeline that we didn’t know how to handle them. But we’ve also recognized that the type of service we provide is elevated. We consider ourselves a boutique service. We know we’re not the cheapest in the market. But what we do know is that we can absolutely drive additional profit dollars to your business. Because we’re looking at the full marketing picture.  We’re not just focusing on PPC. We’re not just focusing on SEO. We’re not just focusing on organic social. We’re looking at how all of those things work together. And then we’re looking at the business as a whole and trying to drive an actual P&L impact. Not just say: “Oh, ROAS in Google Ads is good, so everything must be great.” No. That’s not always the case. As I mentioned earlier, that can happen while you’re still burning money because you’re simply retargeting people who already know about your business.  So the goal is understanding that we provide an elevated service and finding the right talent to help deliver it. So that as we continue to scale, we’re able to maintain the level of service that we know we’re capable of providing. And making sure that the people leading those client conversations are able to deliver on that promise every single time as well. Hopefully that answers the question, for the most part.  So if you have the deals coming through, the cold outreach is working, and your offer is working, is it just a question of finding the talent, or are there other things that could break?  Yeah. I think it’s hiring and talent for sure. And then the other piece is continuing to maintain the operational speed behind it as well. Because expectations in the industry are changing dramatically. We went from bi-monthly reporting to weekly reporting, and now people want to know how things are moving every single day. AI has sped things up to the point where people’s expectations are changing at a rate that we need to keep up with. And that is certainly one of the more difficult things to navigate.  Especially when there are 30 to 1,000 new AI tools coming out every single day. Then you need to figure out: “What’s the best one that I’m going to be able to utilize long term, instead of just dumping it and moving to a new one next week?” So yeah, the operational piece has been very interesting over the past couple of years. It went from everybody using ChatGPT, to all of these different AI transcription tools. We moved into Notion. Now we’re using Vector, which is popping off right now. Claude has obviously made a lot of strides as well. And it’s about figuring out how we continue to pivot across all of these different tools. And I’m barely scratching the surface with those examples.  We also have to make sure that the entire team is able to adapt to these changes over time. Because for so long, you could stick with a single tech stack and a handful of tools for years, and not much would change. But now, because of AI, things are adapting, changing, and improving incredibly quickly. And the expectations of the client are moving just as fast. So you need to be able to keep up with that. I’ve always wondered about this thing that Steve Jobs said: The two primary functions of a business are marketing and innovation. And you are doing one of the two primary parts of the business. You could even argue that marketing is innovation as well. So the two things converge. How is it possible for an agency to innovate for multiple clients on a continual basis?  Yeah. That just comes down to trusting the team and having the right people in the right place. And that’s why I think hiring is one of the biggest things that we need to focus on. Because AI has raised the floor for so many people. But it has also really shined a light on the people who are able to work alongside it efficiently, speed up their processes, and use their experience to make decisions really fast. It is more powerful than ever to have a creative mindset and the experience of seeing how things impact multiple different clients. And to understand how you can shift strategy at any point in time. It also requires having that childlike curiosity mindset.  Being willing not to accept everything as fact. Being willing to pivot at any point in time. It’s truly about making sure that the people around you are willing to adapt and accept that they are not going to be right all the time. But they’re willing to keep trying, keep learning, and keep figuring out what the next step is. And not fall into complacency. Because if you do, AI has probably already rocked your world at this point. So the biggest thing is having people around you, a support system, procedures, and training that allow that to happen naturally. And trusting that they will be able to follow that and see the vision—or at least try.  That’s fascinating. If there’s a company trying to figure out what to do, how to make sense of all these different platforms, SEO moving to GEO, AI, Reddit, Quora, rising advertising costs, TikTok, and all these other platforms coming online—and their head is spinning—what do you recommend they do? How do they select an agency? Of course, they should go to you. But how should they select an agency? What criteria should they use to select someone, whether that’s you or somebody else?  Yeah. I mean, really, it just comes down to being growth-minded. And maybe I’m not fully understanding the question, but if you have any passion or drive to grow what you’re doing, you need to surround yourself with people who are constantly looking to push the envelope. Whether that be an agency or an in-house team. And in some cases, it might not make sense for you to have an agency. That really depends on your brand guidelines and how closely you hold them to your chest. Because sometimes bringing in an outside agency can be very difficult.  It takes time to get them up to speed. If you’re looking to develop your own internal style of content because you have a lot of protection around the brand, then building that internally is going to make a heck of a lot more sense. Because they’re constantly going to be able to talk in your language. As opposed to an agency that wants to be an arm of your business, but at the end of the day, it’s difficult for that to always be the case. We try to live and breathe that as much as we can, but we also understand there are limitations. So I would say if you are a brand with extremely tight brand guidelines, then you need to train internally and make sure that is built into the culture and into the marketing team.  Otherwise, everything you put out from that point forward is going to be disjointed from what the brand actually means or is trying to stand for. Therefore, you need to have that in-house and you need more control over it. Otherwise, if you understand that other people have great ideas, and you want to leverage that, and you appreciate that they’re looking at hundreds, if not thousands, of brands and seeing how they succeed in the market, then an agency can be a beautiful way to go. And it’s generally more cost-effective in most cases. You’re going to have an agency with maybe three to five people—sometimes even more—overseeing your account.  And in many cases, that’s for the same cost as a single internal employee. So being able to leverage the minds of five different people with five different viewpoints of the world, and five different pairs of eyes looking at your website, versus just one… In my opinion, you’re going to win every time. Assuming you have the right team behind you. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. So essentially, you’re outsourcing your marketing function to an expert team. This is all they do. And they’re held to a high standard because they work with a lot of companies in a fast-moving environment. It’s similar to having an internal attorney versus using a law firm with high-flying attorneys who operate at the cutting edge. You can never really replicate that cutting-edge environment, which helps nurture those people on the other side. Yeah. Love it. So if you’re listening to this and you want to take your marketing to the next level, and you want an expert team at your service to figure out how to grow your brand across multiple channels—content, advertising, customer engagement, and all that stuff—then reach out to Grant. But where can they find you, Grant?  You can reach out to us through digitalposition.com. Feel free to connect with me on LinkedIn. I’m happy to chat with anybody. I’m more than happy to share anything I’ve learned along the way, whether you’re another agency, a brand, or whatever it might be. I firmly hold the belief that there is a massive sea of people out there to reach. And I’m happy to share any learnings that I’ve had. Because, boy, there’s so much to digest in this world, and I’m happy to share whatever I know. But yeah, digitalposition.com for anyone who would possibly want to work with us or chat. Otherwise, I’m on LinkedIn and happy to connect there as well.  Well, Grant McKinstrie, CEO of Digital Position, a full-stack agency that builds growth systems for eCommerce brands. Thanks for coming and sharing your experience and your view of the world. And if you enjoyed listening, make sure you follow us on YouTube and Apple Podcasts because every week I come with an exciting entrepreneur who is sharing the best of what they know. So thanks for coming, Grant, and thanks for listening.  Thank you so much for having me. Important Links: Grant’s LinkedIn Grant’s website

In this episode of the #DoorGrowShow, property management growth experts Jason Hull and Sarah Hull discuss how AI is rapidly changing business, marketing, and communication, along with the growing problem of "AI slop" and why authentic human connection is becoming more valuable than ever. They break down the secondary effects of AI, why in-person relationships and masterminds are becoming a competitive advantage, and how property management business owners can stand out in a world flooded with automated content, fake interactions, and digital overload. You'll Learn [00:00] The Rise of AI Slop [06:20] Why Human Connection Still Matters [12:10] The COVID Parallel and Isolation [20:00] Why In-Person Transformation Works [31:30] AI, Trust, and Real Relationships [43:40] The Future of Property Management Growth Quotables "The secret to creating a scalable business is to do the unscalable actions." "Transformation happens in the room, not on Zoom." "If you can make it easily, so can anybody else." Resources DoorGrow and Scale Mastermind DoorGrow Academy DoorGrow on YouTube DoorGrowClub DoorGrowLive Transcript Jason Hull (00:00) we live in a world of the next stage I'm calling AI Slop. AI Slop, we're in the world of AI Sloppy Sloppiness. I just got a letter, no offense, NARPM, but I got a letter from y'all You wrote this using ChatGPT.   This is the problem with Narpum 2.0. We're not just talking about the future of our association, We're actively building it. it's not A, it's B, dead giveaway. And there's lots of other dead giveaways. And some of you are starting to hear this AI voice and you're starting to recognize this AI voice. And so we're now in the world of ASLOP where nobody is writing anything.   All right, hello everybody. I'm Jason Hull. This is Sarah Hull, the owners of DoorGrow, the world's leading and most comprehensive coaching and consulting firm for long-term residential property management entrepreneurs. For over a decade and a half, we have brought innovative strategies and optimization to the property management industry. At DoorGrow, we are on a mission to transform property management business owners and their businesses. We want to transform the industry, eliminate the BS, build awareness, change perception, expand the market,   and help the best property management entrepreneurs win. All right, now let's get into the show. All right, so in today's episode, we're gonna be chatting. Just change that right now, because every week I tell you, stop saying a decade and a half. So just go ahead and change it right now. Okay, for, she doesn't like that I say a decade It drives me For 17 years. For over 17 years, yeah. That's how long it's been.   for over years. I'm like decade, decade sounds like a long time, but all right, we're changing it. Cause the life wants to change. 17 years space week. There we go. right. Updated real time. Yeah. Done. That's how we get stuff done. Okay, cool. What are we talking about today, Sarah? talk about how AI is starting to change things. Okay. Let's do it. All right, so.   One of the things we've been talking a lot about is the secondary effects of AI, because everybody's talking about AI. And I think we started in phase one was the AI revolution. Everybody's starting to use chat GPT. Now people are starting to use Clod for business and people are learning prompting. now people starting, some of you are starting to vibe code. And some of you are making videos. Some of you started making images with AI and   Now we live in a world of the next stage I'm calling AI Slop. AI Slop, we're in the world of AI Sloppy Sloppiness. I just got a letter, no offense, NARPOM, but I got a letter from y'all and I can tell you wrote this. You wrote this using ChatGPT. It's like, I mean, the big giveaway phrases and some of you have heard stuff like this. It's like, and we love NARPOM. Thanks for NARPOM for sending us a letter, but.   This is the problem with Narpum 2.0. We're not just talking about the future of our association, M-Dash. We're actively building it. So with blank, it's not A, it's B, dead giveaway. And there's lots of other dead giveaways. And some of you are starting to hear this AI voice and you're starting to recognize this AI voice. And so we're now in the world of ASLOP where nobody is writing anything.   And the people that do write original content, like I've done a couple of Facebook posts just recently, totally handwritten, I wrote the whole thing. And I really enjoy writing. The challenge is, is some people don't recognize how to get their voice into AI. And so anyway, we've got this whole world of AI slop now. Anything can be created by anyone instantly. You can create images, video, text, and so...   You've probably heard me talk about fake internet theory. Have you ever heard of this idea? I have, but just for anyone who hasn't. So the fake internet theory has been around probably since the, you know, once the internet went mainstream. And the fake internet theory is this idea that the majority, at least half in the past, of all the content, all of the traffic that was on the internet, was bots.   It could be like Google crawling sites. It could be a lot of different things, but at least half of all the traffic was bots. Well now with AI, this is even worse. Perplexity is doing research. All these different AI tools are doing research. People are not crawling stuff or crawling websites a lot of times. They're just talking to AI and AI is doing all this. And so the internet now, all the content isn't even, if even this letter probably was not written.   by D.D. Garzone, the Narfim president, 2026. It was probably written by AI, which saved her time. And it's not a bad letter. The challenge is people read this, see this, and we're starting to recognize what's AI and what's not. And we're kind of developing, there's kind of this feel, this voice that you're like, oh, that's AI. And so what am I doing? I just discount stuff. I read and go, oh, AI wrote this. I probably don't even need to read the rest.   So we just skim stuff, we stop reading things. And so this is the challenge is that people want reality, people want humanity. And so the secondary effect, we're in phase two, AI slot, phase three, I believe, is going to be a return to in-person. It's gonna be human interaction. The secondary effect of AI is that human interaction is going to be significantly more important.   And this is where things are going to be shifting to in-person. Things are going to be shifting away from digital marketing. Things are going to be shifting away from anything that you can tell AI to do quickly and easily. And I've always said to our clients, the secret ingredient to scaling your business is depth. The secret to creating a scalable business is to do the unscalable actions. That's depth. And so we're going to talk about today the importance of in-person.   Yeah. So do you guys remember in COVID when everything shut down? Yeah, good And then you couldn't leave your house? Yeah, was great. Yeah, because you might die. So that was great for a little bit, right? Everyone was like, we don't have to go to the office. I don't have to go to work. This is like, would just hang out in my house in my pajamas all day and eat some chips. And like, no, I don't know. It'll be amazing.   And that was a really fun thing. What voice is this? What is this voice? I don't know. Who speaks like this? I'm just letting you know it's not me. I'm gonna be lazy. I'm gonna do my pajamas. Today I got some pajamas on. Are they southern? Now they are. You don't know. They're all over the place. I can't do it in New York. Anyway, so it was a really fun time for like   I don't know, two weeks. The first week was awesome. It was like when you have a substitute teacher and then they put on a movie and you go, this is great. We don't have to do anything today. This is amazing. This is gonna be so cool. And the first week- thought it was awesome. I think for the first, yeah, I think a lot of people really thought it was really great for the first week because they were like, oh, this is great. Like we don't have to go into the office. I a lot of workers, think employers, business owners were freaking out. Yes, exactly. Business owners were-   Although they liked, let's be honest for a second, property managers were real happy about getting a vacation. And it was a vacation that you were forced to take. Right? You couldn't go and do things you normally do. And if you decided to not do showings or decided to not go to the office or decided to, know, like, hey guys, we're all going to work from home. No one was going to fault you. It was going to be totally fine because everybody else was doing it. So it would have been totally fine if you were like, hey, we're not doing.   Showings or hey, you know, we're gonna slow down on inspections or you know, hey, we're you know, we're not gonna come into the office We're all gonna, you know stay from home and then at some point we'll go back to the office for a little bit I think people welcomed that they were like, oh, this is great. This is fun And that maybe lasted a week maybe two maybe even three weeks for some people and then after that they were like what? When can I leave? I what do you mean? Like I'm stuck in my house. I'm I can't   get out, can't go anywhere. When my kids are here, they were all stuck together and no one knows what to do and we're all bored out of our minds and they were starving for human interaction. everything, Zoom, look at the Zoom stock in 2020, skyrocketed because everything moved to remote. Everything moved to Zoom. It was like.   we can't meet in person, but we still kind of have to do things. How do we do it? We are going to do Zoom. And then even remember when a lot of like commercial real estate, it it tanked because people were like, we can't go into the office. We're not buying office space. We're not renting office space. We're going to wait and hold out and see what happens in all this crazy COVID stuff. Right. And it's because all of us were just stuck in our houses. So everything became virtual.   Everything became remote. Even the things that are normally done in person, a lot of them started to shift so that it was no longer in person or the full thing wasn't in person. There was just the one quick little piece that was in person and everything else was done virtually. did we? Okay, I didn't know if you had the podcast. And then   At that point, people were starving for human interaction because it's not the same being on a screen. Looking at a face on the screen and hearing voices on a screen or on a phone call or through Zoom or Teams or whatever it was or emailing and texting and phone calls, it's just not the same. So people then started to go a little bit stir crazy.   And what happened, like as soon as things opened up, then what happened? Things started to surge again. People were desperately trying to connect with other people in person. They were going to their friends' houses. They were trying to meet up with their friends. They were trying to go on vacation. Travel started to boom again. Why? Because people, we are meant to be with other people.   Humans are not solitary animals. We're just not. So AI is going to end up creating something that I think is quite similar. We're going to rely on AI so much just because we have to. And it's an amazing tool. It's incredible. And it makes things a lot faster. And we can do things that were not possible before. And we can do years or months of research in minutes or hours.   the advancements that it allows us to make and in such a short time span are remarkable. But the other thing that it does is it reduces the human to human communication. And now even has anyone ever picked up the phone and called a company and you don't talk to a human now? Now you talk to the AI agent. Yeah. Right. And that seems really great.   because you go, okay, it helps me and I answered my questions and that's lovely. But can you imagine now that most of your interactions are going to be with AI? Most interactions will not be with other humans. Most of a human's interactions will be with a bot or AI. Even if it sounds like a human, it will be AI. And that kind of effect is go, I think it's.   we're going to see largely what we saw in COVID all over again, where people want to see and interact with and talk to and hang out with people. Yeah. And I think that's going to be incredibly valuable. Yeah. I think as humans, when we shift into a mode of isolation where we're no longer interacting with other people,   and you're spending the majority of your day talking to Claude and chat GPT and building things and you probably feel a lot of dopamine. You're like, look at all the stuff I'm getting done. But you're just contributing to the problem of AI slop. If you can make it easily, so can anybody else. And so it's not just about creating more stuff with AI. That isn't really a competitive advantage. Everybody can do that. The competitive advantage really is being in person.   It's those that the wealthy will be able to afford to slow down. The wealthy and the smart will be able to afford to be able to go slow, not faster. They'll be able to spend more time with people. They'll be able to spend more time with their family. They'll be able to spend more time going deeper into building real relationships.   These relationships you have with your AI agents aren't real relationships and they're not going to create the connection that humans need. And they're not going to create the connection and the feelings that your clients need. Clients don't just need their stuff done. That's not it. They need human connection. They need trust and they need to feel safe. So alienation is going to lead to isolation.   And isolation will lead to stagnation in your business because you're not around people that are actually making moves and figuring out how to connect and make a big difference. And the thing that we've noticed, because we've been in a lot of different programs, I mean, we've been in lots of different mass, high ticket masterminds, coaching programs. spend a lot of money every year.   That's a bright thing. Yeah, we've been in all the best programs out there. We probably have been in them or connected to them or whatever. And so we've been in a lot of different programs. We invest a lot. And the thing I've noticed is we've been in a lot of these programs, but the real benefit of the programs, most significant benefit is the caliber of the people physically in the room.   It's the people that we get to meet. It's not the guru at the helm. It's not their cool content or ideas. Everybody joins for the content, but it's really, it's the people, it's the connections. It's the community that's curated. And that's one of the things that we're really shifting our awareness and focus around. I've realized that transformation always happens in the room. It doesn't happen over Zoom. Wow, that rhymes. You can all quote me on that. That's a Jason Hall written all over.   Transformation happens in the room, not on Zoom. And Zoom calls the other thing related to fake internet theory. You can ask AI about this, people. AI people, go check me on this. There's a psychological effect that watching being on Zoom calls on video and watching video training material inside of even our DoorGro Academy does not, your brain does not perceive this as real life. It perceives it as   This digital universe, it's fake. And so we've noticed our clients aren't able to just watch a video and implement or absorb it mentally the same way. And once they get in person with us and they recognize we're real people and we give them a high five or a hug or whatever, and they come to our onboarding, because we onboard every Mastermind client in person now. We also have quarterly events that we're launching.   for about two years. We've been doing that for a long time. saw the writing on Huge game changer. And we decided, hey, let's go, we can go much deeper in person. Totally. Than we can ever get to on Zoom or on a phone call. So we decided that should be one of the first things that we do with people is really get them in momentum quickly. And what's the fastest way that we can do that? We can get them in person. Yeah, cause on Zoom, it's very easy for you to look like you're cool.   It's very easy for you to look like everything's put together. Slashy lights, like YouTubers, and you can get some books and stuff in the background. You're making fun of me now? Have a pretty background. I see what's going on. You can have a boring office without cool lights. We can both play this game. Okay. So what I'm saying is...   When you're on a Zoom call with a group of your peers and business owners and people maybe you look up to, it's very easy to not give people your real situation and not reveal what's really going on. That's hard to avoid doing in person, especially if you're called out or your mentor's calling you out. That's difficult. And so you need to be in the room because you have to get real feedback. You have to share your real challenges. You need to recognize they're real people. Your brain and unconscious mind and your subconscious need   to recognize these ideas that you maybe saw in video or see on Zoom or the people you see on Zoom are real. And there's something that clicks and shifts when we get our clients in person. All of their results shift. They make more money. They have breakthroughs. And your breakthroughs are on the other side of embarrassment. One of my mentors would share. And one of our mentors would share. And that's, you have to be willing to get real.   And real and raw happens in person. It's just not going to be the same on a Zoom call or on video or even digital marketing. We're looking at how we can do less of that ourselves and do more stuff that actually creates real connection and relationship with people. Because I think anybody can do anything digitally now Let me go take some property managers out to lunch.   That's what we need to do. We need to meet people face to face and in person. do door to door. Yeah. I know. I think there's going to be a secondary effect that we're going to see a lot of things shifting back to humans. We've spent so much time over the last decade sitting in front of computer, like so many people. And I think if AI does anything well for us, it will be that it gets us out from behind the computer and actually hanging out with   human beings again. And that should be the goal. And the people that are smart are going to be focused on that. And that's why our DoorGrow Mastermind, we've shifted the priority and the focus to being an in-person mastermind. And we've seen people have great success with this, our mentors like Aaron Stokes and others have great success with this. And that's what we're wanting to replicate and emulate.   And we want people to have real relationships. We want people to have a family, a cohort of property management business owners that feel connected and are doing cool stuff. And that way you can cut through all the AI slot because everything AI puts out sounds like it's great and amazing. Every landing page looks like, yeah, this sounds like it could be awesome. And so it's hard to know if anything is real at all.   and a lot of stuff on the internet is not even real anymore. A lot of the products you see aren't even like actually real or decent products. They've just got great AI marketing and you can go buy the product for like a third of the cost on Ali Express or Alibaba or whatever. Or you can go on Amazon. Some of these products I'm seeing on Instagram, you can go buy for like $50 cheaper on these small products on Amazon. And so it like, yeah. And AI can create courses too.   Anyone can get on any AI thing and go, hey, I have this idea and have this thought and I want to create a course and then sell this course online. Build me the whole course, build me the material, me the script. everything. You can even have AI. If you don't want to do the video for the course, you don't have to. I can just do it. You can summarize it. You can do that in minutes now.   What value is there in that? The challenge is, is that there's no way to know what really works. Right. Because AI is just making stuff up based on what it has in its knowledge base. We have a lot of awesome stuff that's behind our payroll. hitting the table because every time you do, it's a whole time shakes. Yes, dear. Okay. This is going to be, if someone's watching this podcast live, I'm so sorry if you're like ceasing. It's like bouncing a little bit.   It shakes. That's me. I'm moving around so much. Many earthquakes. Seizures. Got it. No taking. Okay. Well that's how you know it's not AI, right? You're shaking the table. AI's not going to say that to me. No, AI would Claude, how do I respond to my wife? All right. Awesome. All right. yeah, so this is the idea is   We want to shift towards reality and in person because if I'm talking with a property management business owner and they say, this is what I've done and it's actually working, whereas AI will just hallucinate, it'll make stuff up, it will lie and just make everything sound amazing because somebody could say, just make this sound like it's amazing and it works and it's awesome. And it might not be. And so how do you know it's real anymore? You're going to need to be around real humans that can say, I did this.   I tried this thing. I used this AI prompt and here is the result. It wasn't great. Or this worked. And more importantly, that's a bad idea because AI doesn't want to tell you if it's a bad idea. AI is so affirming. It goes, that's such a great idea. Yeah, you should definitely do that. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa. Are you sure? Is that going to work? Yeah, you're on the right track. Yeah, you've got this dialed in so well. And then   You could also do this and no, no, no. You're not coming up with a new idea. You're a game changer. You're not just cool. You're awesome. right. So yeah, know AI is really bad at telling people bad news. Well, I know there's people listening and they're like, well, I use this and I have this problem. I get it. Like, but yeah, chat GPT. It's But you have to you feel amazing. You have to give a prompt.   in order to make it be more honest with you, in order to make it not just affirm everything that you say. So when we think about what is the programming of it, therefore then what is the validity of it? So we have to kind of reprogram it just in order to get better output from it and better data from it. That doesn't mean it's the best data. What is great data is here's a real person. They've been there, done that.   I'm going to trust that over what AI tells me any day of the week. Yeah. And people trust AI. Like, I use AI to do research on things because I'm like, this product claim real? Is this landing page on the level? And sometimes it's like, yes. And sometimes it's like, no, this is overinflated. This study they're citing is like, misreference, whatever. There's so much BS. So now we have to use AI to combat AI to figure out what's real. But this is going to be one of the secondary effects is we need to be   connecting with human beings and we need to be in the room with real people and in person. And that's what AI should enable us to do it. It should enable more humanity. It should enable more connection, not disconnect us. okay, anything else that we want to say about this? So if you're looking for something that is a real human, and if you're looking for human connection, then we've got...   Events coming up in October. I know that by the time this will be released, you'll miss the May event. But we do have live in-person events coming up in October that you would be able to attend. They will be in the North Austin, Texas area. And one of them will be our fall intensive. This will be for our clients. If you're not yet our client, then you still have some time to figure out, you know, hey, let's just jump in and try it out.   The other one is our DorgR Live event. And we've decided in this whole AI spirit, let's get people moving through things quickly. And instead of just sitting at another conference, because there's so many of those in property management, where you just sit at a conference and you go home with 38 pages of notes and all of these ideas that you would love to do, and maybe you're going to do one of two of them, and that's about it. And then in reality,   there's all of this other good stuff and you never really got to it. But had you implemented it, it might have changed the business. So we've decided to instead shift. So it's not a conference where you're going to be sitting there in the room, taking notes and learning, which is very valuable. That's still a valuable thing. We're just making it more valuable. So we're going to have some workshops built right into it so that you can go there.   do the work, take action, and you can move your business forward. And the way that we're structuring things is it will allow you to get 30 or more days of work done in the two days at the event. And it's in person with real humans. Yeah. So I'll read a little quote from our offer document for our growth accelerator mastermind. And it says, the room where property managers stop playing small.   Most property managers are stuck trying to grow from behind a screen. Watching webinars, sitting on Zoom calls, collecting PDS they'll never read and wondering why nothing changes. And nothing changes because your environment hasn't changed. You've got to get into a different environment. Environment changes the identity. Even fish will grow to the size of the container that they're in. You need a different container if you want to grow energetically, spiritually, mentally.   I don't know, maybe physically. All right, so the DoorGrowth Growth Accelerator Mastermind, our super system level of the mastermind, which is supposed to focus more on operations for higher level operators or business owners. This is not just a course. It's not an online program. I'll be AI. It's not A, it's B. It's like, this is what actually really works. This gets you real results. And so, yeah, so come.   is come be in a seat with us in Austin. Come hang out with us. Come hang out with us. We curate and attract like the most amazing entrepreneurs. We have a new team member named Kyle who's over Client Success. And Kyle, we were just chatting the other day, him and I, and he was like, I was talking about, have really awesome clients. He's like, I know, it's so amazing the type of people you attract. Like we attract, I believe, the best people in the industry. The best humans in property management are in DoorGrowth's mastermind.   and are working with DoorGrow. And a lot of the coaches, a lot of the people out there, they're past clients of mine. Like, DoorGrow's had a significant impact. And I'm obviously a bit biased, but I believe we have the best stuff in the industry to bring to the table. And we have the most comprehensive program. We help with growth. We help with ops. Nobody else has rebranded over 300 companies. Nobody else has built, well, maybe someone's built as many websites as us, but we built hundreds, probably six, seven, 100, 800 websites.   helped people clean up their pricing. We've rolled out innovative three-tier hybrid pricing models. We're helping clients dramatically increase their profit margins. If you feel like you've heard it all and you've worked with all the other coaches, you may want to take look at DoorGrow because we have the most comprehensive. There's lots of coaches that do one little thing here or there. And there's some really great ones out there. But as far as having the most comprehensive program and I think the most innovative ideas and strategies, that's the only way you can curate and   have that is through some sort of mastermind environment and that's what we've created at DoorGrow. Okay so there's tapping me on the leg saying stop selling like let's wrap this up. Is that accurate? I interpreting things correctly? Okay. You got it. All right. And there's salespeople are gonna sell I just say I want you to win and I don't hate money so and I want you to not hate money and I want to help you make more money. All right cool. Anything else? No. All right cool.   And we will do the outro and here's what this sounds like and this will be relevant. All right. So if you felt stuck or stagnant and want to take your property management business to the next level, reach out to us at doorgrow.com for free training on how to get unlimited free leads. Text the word leads to 512-648-4608. Also, you can join our free Facebook community just for property management business owners by going to doorgrowclub.com. We have launched our own   private community outside of Facebook. And so we'll be telling you more about that. The DoorGrowth Club will be somewhat shifting into this new awesome space. And if you want tips, tricks, and ideas to learn about our offers, subscribe to our newsletter by going to doorgrowth.com slash subscribe. And you can get our newsletter. And if you found this even a little bit helpful, don't forget to subscribe, leave us a review. We'd really appreciate it on whatever platform you saw this on. And until next time, remember the slowest path to growth.   is to do it alone. So let's grow together in the room together. Bye everyone.

In this episode, I discuss the relationship between artificial intelligence (AI) and intuition, and my deep concern over the current trend of using AI as an "oracle" or spiritual tool. There are many aspects to the role of AI in our world right now, and this is the aspect that terrifies me the most.In this episode: Intuition is an innate, trainable skill and a birthright that humans can access directly. The Danger of Outsourcing Intuition: relying on external figures—or now, AI—to provide answers avoids the necessary personal responsibility of developing one's own inner authority and spiritual self-esteem.Because AI operates on mined and "stolen" information from human wisdom, it cannot replicate the true alchemy between humanity and divinity required for genuine intuition. The use of AI for intuitive guidance as "deadening" one's own capacity for genius and critical thinking. The Call to Sovereignty: sitting with discomfort and uncertainty are necessary components of true spiritual evolution.

Most people think the biggest risk in buying a business is overpaying. It's not. It's signing an LOI you don't fully understand. Moving fast because someone on the internet told you speed wins. Then finding yourself thirty, forty thousand dollars deep into a deal that was never going to close the way you structured it. Eric Hsu has seen it happen more times than he can count. Over 160 closed deals as an M&A attorney who exclusively represents buyers. And the pattern almost always starts at the LOI - that document most first-time buyers treat like a formality. AI can hand you twenty questions to ask a seller. It can flag risk, validate numbers, model theory. It's genuinely useful. And genuinely dangerous when you don't know what you're actually looking at. Because AI can't read why a seller gets vague about their Google Ads account in a way that means something. It can't tell you that annual subscription revenue the seller just collected isn't really theirs yet - and your client inherits every obligation to fulfil it. It doesn't understand deal psychology. It can't sit across from someone who built their business over thirty years and feel where the resistance is coming from. That's pattern recognition. That's what 160 closed deals actually buys you. In this episode, Jaryd and Eric pull apart exactly where AI helps, where it quietly misleads you, and where it has no business making the call. You'll learn: Why the LOI is the single most expensive legal mistake first-time buyers make - and what stress-testing one actually looks like before you sign The working capital trap that kills deals mid-diligence and leaves buyers choosing between injecting $100K cash or walking away with nothing How SBA lending rules have shifted since mid-2025 - and why brokers now favour cash buyers who show up lender-ready from day one What AI genuinely cannot replicate: pattern recognition, human behaviour, and the deal empathy that holds negotiations together The holdco structure Eric recommends for portfolio buyers - when to set it up, why before your first SBA close, and what it actually costs Why integrity issues during diligence are non-negotiable walk-aways - and the dating analogy that explains exactly why The glue of the deal is the relationship. The trust. The ability to get both sides on a call and actually work something out. AI can model the numbers. It can't do that.

In "Is Organized Tech Destroying the Small Logistics Entrepreneur" Joe Lynch and Nicholas Antoine, Co-Founder, Co-CEO, and Managing Partner of Red Arts Capital, discuss how mid-market logistics companies can leverage emerging automation and strategic "moats" to successfully survive and compete against tech-heavy enterprise giants. About Nick Antoine Nicholas Antoine is the Co-Founder, Co-CEO, and Managing Partner of Red Arts Capital, a private equity firm he co-founded in 2015 - at age 26 - to invest exclusively in supply chain and logistics businesses. A Princeton graduate, Nick began his career as an equity research analyst at Princeton Global Asset Management before joining Ariel Investments in Chicago, where he served as Chief of Staff to the Chairman and CEO of the $17 billion asset manager. At Red Arts, he leads fundraising, research, and investment thesis development, building one of the few Black-founded and -led PE firms in the country and one of the top-performing, ranked #7 on Bloomberg's 2025 Best-Performing U.S. Buyout Funds. Nick is a member of YPO and a board trustee of The Studio Museum in Harlem and WTTW (PBS Chicago). About Red Arts Capital Red Arts Capital is a Chicago-based private equity firm focused exclusively on partnering with North American supply chain and logistics businesses. Founded in 2015 by Nick Antoine and Chad Strader, Red Arts is a 100% Black-owned firm investing across the "supply chain economy" - freight, transportation, warehousing, contract packaging, and related middle-market companies with strong growth potential. In 2023, the firm closed its latest fund oversubscribed at $270M, above its $225M target, backed by institutional LPs including Prudential Financial, the University of Chicago's Office of Investments, and funds managed by Neuberger Berman. Red Arts pairs a sector-focused thesis with a belief that diversity drives performance - women represent roughly half the firm. Key Takeaways: Is Organized Tech Destroying the Small Logistics Entrepreneur In "Is Organized Tech Destroying the Small Logistics Entrepreneur" Joe Lynch and Nicholas Antoine, Co-Founder, Co-CEO, and Managing Partner of Red Arts Capital, discuss how mid-market logistics companies can leverage emerging automation and strategic "moats" to successfully survive and compete against tech-heavy enterprise giants. Firm Profile & Focus: Founded in 2015, Red Arts Capital is a 100% Black-owned, Chicago-based private equity firm that focuses exclusively on North American supply chain, logistics, and middle-market infrastructure businesses. Target Investment Profile: Unlike venture capital firms that hunt for speculative "hockey stick" growth, Red Arts invests $50M to $100M+ into established, profitable middle-market companies (typically family-owned with $100M to $500M in revenue) to provide liquidity and operational scaling. Strong Institutional Backing: Validating their sector-focused thesis, the firm closed its 2023 fund oversubscribed at $270M (surpassing its $225M target) backed by premier LPs like Prudential Financial and the University of Chicago. The Concept of "Organized Tech": Nick defines "organized technology" as a modern third form of power alongside organized people and organized capital. Large enterprise players use their scale and massive resources to deploy tech—and partner with startups for free trials—giving them a distinct, systemic advantage. An Opportunity, Not a Death Sentence: Organized tech is not inherently destroying small logistics entrepreneurs; rather, the risk lies in a lack of adaptability. Because AI and automated tools are becoming rapidly commoditized and affordable, small business survival depends on an entrepreneurial willingness to experiment. Building Defensive "Moats": To avoid competing strictly on commoditized pricing, successful logistics companies must build defensible moats. This includes high-touch customer service, strong cultural values that lower driver turnover, or geographic asset density (like uniquely zoned cross-dock terminals) that competitors cannot easily replicate. Outsized Returns from Small Tech Investments: Technology adoption doesn't require a massive overhaul to significantly impact the bottom line. In one LTL case study, Red Arts introduced a simple automated software tool to capture missed, manual accessorial charges, plugging a major revenue leak and yielding massive profit returns. Learn More About Is Organized Tech Destroying the Small Logistics Entrepreneur Nicholas Antoine | Linkedin Red Arts Capital | Linkedin Red Arts Capital Bloomberg executive profile Investing in Supply Chain Solutions with Nick Antoine of Red Arts Capital | Impact Podcast Black Professionals in PE & Finance spotlight | McGuireWoods Fund close coverage | $270M, Business Wire Organized Technology: A New Power Defining The American Dream | Forbes The Logistics of Logistics Podcast If you enjoy the podcast, please leave a positive review, subscribe, and share it with your friends and colleagues. The Logistics of Logistics Podcast: Google, Apple, Castbox, Spotify, Stitcher, PlayerFM, Tunein, Podbean, Owltail, Libsyn, Overcast Check out The Logistics of Logistics on Youtube

Everybody is talking about AI.How to use it.How to rank in it.How to get recommended by it.But what if we're asking the wrong question?In this episode of The Visibility Podcast, Melissa Rose explores one of the most important concepts for businesses in an AI-driven world: consistency.Because AI isn't inventing businesses to recommend. It's analyzing the information already available and looking for signals of trust, relevance, and expertise.The businesses that will thrive aren't necessarily the ones posting the most.They're the ones showing up consistently.In this episode, Melissa breaks down four ways consistency impacts your visibility:✨ Consistency in your messaging.  Does your business clearly communicate who you serve and what makes you different?✨ Consistency across platforms. Do your website, social media, Google Business Profile, and online listings tell the same story?✨ Consistency in your content. Are you creating helpful content that reinforces your expertise over time?✨ Consistency in your business information. Are your business name, contact information, services, and profiles aligned everywhere online?If you've been wondering how AI search, Google, social media, and visibility all work together, this episode offers a practical framework that cuts through the noise.Because in a world filled with algorithms, automation, and AI-generated content, trust still wins.And trust is built through consistency.In this episode you'll learn:What AI search is actually looking forWhy consistency matters more than frequencyThe role social media plays in your digital footprintHow inconsistent messaging hurts visibilityWhat business owners are getting wrong about AI searchSimple ways to strengthen your online presence todayThe businesses that will win in the AI era won't be the loudest.They'll be the clearest, most trustworthy, and most consistent.If you want to stay compliant, visible, and actually get found: this episode is for you.Your GO-TO LINK for all things Visibility-: Google Business Profile Optimization, The Website + Social Media Audit, The Visibility Blueprint, Newsletter, & Referral Partners.Love today's podcast?

This special opening episode launches our Customer Council Berlin Series, conversations recorded live at our event during two weeks in 2026. Maria Silipo and Katharina Stopf look back on a decade of the SAP Cloud ERP Customer Council series with the Professional Services part. You will learn how a small group of early adopters evolved into a global exchange shaping standardization and innovation in a public cloud world, including later also Finance, Product-Centric and Quote-to-Cash topics, and why collaboration between customers, product management, and engineering is central to SAP Cloud ERP.You'll also hear short customer testimonials, from first‑time participants to long‑time members, on expectations, shared process challenges, and key takeaways. Because AI was a theme throughout both weeks, we include a candid discussion with the company Rondo on how AI initiatives emerge, mature, and impact the people doing the work. Follow and subscribe on Spotify or Apple Podcasts to catch the full series as we dive into AI adoption, automation, change management, and value realization in SAP Cloud ERP.

BONUS: How AI Is Reshaping Software Teams From the Inside — Lessons From Google, Meta, and Snowflake In this episode, Dwarak Rajagopal — VP of AI Engineering and Research at Snowflake — shares what he's seeing firsthand as AI agents become part of the software development process. From compressed sprint cycles to automated standups across time zones, Dwarak draws on two decades of building AI infrastructure at Google, Meta, Uber, and Apple to show what's actually changing inside engineering organizations today. From Compiler Engineer to AI Leader — The Thread That Connects Two Decades "In AI, the hardest part isn't just the models itself, it's making them work in real environments where data is messy, fragmented, and governed."   Dwarak started his career as an open-source GCC compiler engineer over two decades ago, optimizing hardware performance. He moved into graphics at Apple, then pivoted to AI when AlexNet started running on GPUs around 2011-2012. From there, he built autonomous driving software at Uber, led Meta's PyTorch core framework team bridging research and production, and at Google led AI Frameworks including getting Gemini training on TPUs. The common thread: always working at the intersection of research and production, making powerful technology work in the real world. That focus on real-world application is what drew him to Snowflake — where enterprise data meets AI at scale. AI Is Changing What Engineers Actually Do All Day "Engineers are spending more time on system design, validation, production reliability — and less time doing the implementation itself, because AI is helping that."   The shift Dwarak sees is concrete: AI is accelerating development, but the real value comes when it's grounded in enterprise data and context. At Snowflake, teams use tools like Cortex Code, Snowflake Intelligence, and other LLMs to generate code and tests faster — because the friction cost of development has dropped dramatically. Customer example: Whoop, the fitness band company, used Cortex Code with conversational data assistance and agents to reduce development cycles from weeks to hours, freeing teams to focus on high-value work. The End of "This or That" — Try Both, Kill Fast "There's a lot more choices now. You don't have to think about this versus that. Do both and then figure out what is the best."   One of the most practical shifts Dwarak describes: teams no longer need to commit to one architectural approach upfront. Because AI reduces the cost of building, teams can pursue two designs in parallel and evaluate both. A concrete example: instead of choosing a cross-platform framework like Flutter or React Native for a mobile app, Snowflake's teams now build native iOS and Android apps simultaneously — one human-led, the other agent-built — at roughly the same speed. But this creates a new challenge: teams have to learn to kill projects faster. When you can build more, you also discard more — and engineers need to detach from "their baby." Smaller Teams, Bigger Output — The Cross-Functional Shift "You could build multiple products now faster with different smaller teams. One back-end person, one front-end person — build vertically end-to-end."   Dwarak's teams moved from functional structures (separate backend, frontend, and feature teams) to project-based teams that own the full vertical stack. This isn't theoretical — Snowflake Intelligence was built this way. The result: fewer dependencies, faster delivery, more products in parallel. The tradeoff is coordination cost — more things running in parallel means more decisions to synchronize. Recruiting Has Fundamentally Changed — Systems Thinking Over Syntax "We used to ask an engineer to code a specific search algorithm. Now we ask them to build a whole search system within an hour."   Dwarak is clear: fundamentals matter more than ever. Systems thinking, judgment, the ability to work with complex data and production systems — these are what hiring evaluates now. AI handles execution; humans need to define problems clearly and ensure systems behave at scale. For junior engineers, the news is encouraging: onboarding is faster because team-specific skills are codified and shared, and the barrier to building end-to-end systems has dropped. "Learning by building is more true than ever now." Monday Planning, Friday Demos — The Compressed Sprint "You basically decide what to do on Monday, and you're testing together as a team on Friday and getting the feedback for the next week."   Daily work has transformed at Snowflake. The traditional multi-week sprint has compressed to a single week: Monday planning, Friday team demos and testing. Standups still happen — but faster, sometimes multiple times per day. For distributed teams across Bay Area, Seattle, and Poland, an automated skill scans each day's code changes and posts a summary in a shared Slack channel — so the next timezone knows exactly what happened without waiting for a meeting. This solves one of the oldest problems in distributed development. The Road to Lights-Out Codebases — Governance, Observability, Reversibility "Can agents take actions? Which of these actions cannot be taken back? You need the concept of committing actions or rolling back."   Building on the "lights-out codebases" concept from Philip Su's episode, Dwarak agrees the direction is clear — agents are already writing more code than humans in some contexts. But enterprise adoption requires governance, observability, traceability, and reversibility of agent actions. The shift from "AI as a tool" to "AI as part of the system" is happening now, with the focus moving from getting answers to enabling actions at scale. What Most People Get Wrong About AI in Software "It's very easy to build prototypes, even end-to-end systems. But it's very hard to get it working in enterprises where the data is so messy."   The gap between demo and production is where most organizations hit the wall. Enterprise data is scattered across invoices, factory outputs, and dozens of systems — combining it meaningfully for AI to generate insights and actions is the real challenge. This is different from the "AI will replace developers" narrative. The bottleneck isn't code generation; it's data integration, governance, and controlled execution at scale. About Dwarak Rajagopal Dwarak Rajagopal is VP of AI Engineering at Snowflake, where he leads the Cortex AI and AI Research teams. Before Snowflake, he led Google's AI Frameworks and On-Device ML teams (including Gemini), ran Meta's PyTorch Core Frameworks team, and built autonomous driving software at Uber. Two decades of shipping AI at the companies that define the field.   You can link with Dwarak Rajagopal on LinkedIn.  

Send us Fan MailEvery company today says it's data-driven.Billions are spent on analytics. AI pilots are everywhere. Dashboards glow with real-time metrics.And yet, only a small fraction of organizations actually transform.In this episode of FUTUREPROOF., I sit down with Sebastian Wernicke — author of DATA INSPIRED: Building an Organizational Culture of Inquiry for Lasting Transformation—to unpack why.Sebastian argues that the problem isn't a lack of data. It's a lack of inquiry.Most companies use data to optimize what already exists. Few use it to question assumptions, rethink business models, or challenge leadership narratives. That's the difference between being data-driven and being data-inspired.We explore: Why data doesn't “speak for itself”  How organizations become excellent at staying the same  The dangers of data-resistant minds  Why psychological safety is foundational for real AI success  What “radical data integrity” actually requires  And how to navigate AI's “jagged frontier,” where human judgment still matters This isn't a conversation about tools; it's about whether your culture is equipped to learn — especially when the evidence is uncomfortable.Because AI won't transform your company. It will amplify whatever culture you already have.

For decades, women have been given health, fitness and nutrition advice based largely on research conducted on men.This week on Performance People, Georgie speaks to exercise physiologist and nutrition scientist Dr Stacy Sims, the woman behind the phrase: “Women are not small men.”This is a mythbusting conversation about the gender data gap in health and performance: why women need to lift heavy, why fasted training may not work the way many women think it does, why menstrual cycles should be understood rather than treated as a complication, and how the rise of GLP-1 weight-loss drugs is creating a new set of concerns around strength, body image and long-term health.Stacy also explains that AI is likely reinforcing outdated male-centred health advice, and how her new project, Collective X, is aiming to close the female data gap through better research, better methodology and better tools for women.FAQsWho is Dr Stacy Sims?Dr Stacy Sims is an exercise physiologist and nutrition scientist known for her work on female physiology, training, nutrition and the phrase “women are not small men.”What does “women are not small men” mean?It means women's bodies should not be treated as smaller versions of men's bodies. Female physiology has distinct hormonal, metabolic, cardiovascular and muscular differences.Why is male data a problem in health and fitness research?Much of the research behind training, nutrition and health advice has historically been conducted on men and then generalised to women, which can lead to advice that does not properly reflect female physiology.Should women train the same way as men?Dr Stacy Sims argues that women should not simply follow scaled-down male training plans. Training should account for female physiology, including differences in muscle fibre type, recovery, hormones and life stage.Should women lift heavy weights?Yes. Dr Sims explains that heavy lifting is important for strength, power, muscle, bone health and long-term performance.Is fasted training good for women?Dr Sims argues that fasted training can be counterproductive for many women because of its effects on cortisol, appetite hormones, energy availability, lean mass and recovery.Do women need more protein?Protein needs should be considered in relation to body weight, activity level and goals. Dr Sims stresses that many active women under-eat protein and that protein supports muscle, satiety and body composition.Should women change their training around their menstrual cycle?Dr Sims says women do not need to completely change training every week based on generic cycle rules. Instead, they should track their own patterns and adjust based on how they respond individually.Are wearables accurate for women?Dr Sims argues that many wearables are still built on male-centred algorithms and can misread normal female physiological changes, especially around ovulation, heart rate variability, temperature and recovery.Why might AI make women's health advice worse?Because AI tools often learn from existing published information, Dr Sims warns they may repeat older male-centred data and outdated health advice unless female-specific evidence is built into the system.What does Dr Stacy Sims say about GLP-1 weight-loss drugs?She says GLP-1 drugs can be powerful and useful when prescribed appropriately, but she is concerned about microdosing for vanity weight loss, body image effects and the loss of lean mass without proper lifestyle support.________________________________The views and opinions expressed on Performance People are those of the guests and hosts, and do not necessarily represent the views of ainslie + ainslie, J.P. Morgan Private Bank, or any affiliated organisations.This podcast is produced by Gameface Limited and is intended for general information and entertainment purposes only.© Gameface Limited 2026. All rights reserved.Connect with Performance PeopleHit subscribe today for the latest.

There's always room for a little more travelogue, right? Even when we're not traveling? Don't forget to choose your side in the In-N-Out vs. Culver's war kinetic action excursion! In other travel news, they opted not to sedate the president for his return trip to China. So you can anticipate a full day of Aaron Rupar clips of him damaging national security and the international geopolitical order. Well, if we're not traveloguing all day, then why not start the day instead with some lighthearted accusations of international espionage? It's yet another case of Billionaire Brainrot, as some guy who should have better things to do sets out in earnest to attack... some regular, normal people. Well, some Democrats from Utah, anyway. Why? Because AI profits, of course. Hey, remember when Republicans were just out to "relitigate Watergate?" And then the relitigators had their children's faces eat by leopards? No? Well, never mind, because as usual, we're way beyond that now. This is just the latest entry (but a good one that's worth your time) in the "revolutionary moment" discourse, there's another new data point that drives the theme home in a different way: 50 years after the unifying moment of the entire nation being captivated by the TV miniseries adapted from Roots, Knox County, TN (where a statue of the author Alex Haley stands today) is now banning the book from its school libraries. zOMFG. This may require a brief suspension of disbelief, but I do think we have a contender for Trump's most nakedly corrupt move so far. It was previously a different version of today's story, but the alleged diminution in value from $10 billion to a mere $1.7 billion didn't make it any less corrupt, in the end. (Nor does it preclude ratcheting the corruption back up to $10 billion, or indeed any other figure he'd like to imagine.) Yes, it's the Trump-sues-himself-and-then-orders-himself-to-settle-with-himself case. Only now it involves using the case to "fund" a sort of "victims' compensation fund," where the "victims" are anybody he'd like to give cash to. Oh, you wanna hear about more corruption? OK, fine. Them Duke Trump boys are miraculously always getting in just in time on investments that pay off big when their dad's government make decisions about major contract awards mere days after they buy in to the recipients of those contracts! And this time, they're doing it with a big play in Kazakh tungsten. Which I guess means dad won't be freeing up any Chinese tungsten on his trip. And some people are wondering whether the fact that deals like this always seem to involve defense contracts is the reason why they won't cut Whisky Pete Hic-seth loose. You want a story about dad's own corrupt stock plays? Well, I have one. Does it play into this week's GINA trip? Duh! Of course! His attention span isn't long enough to sustain anything else, you know. What about cronyism, though? Isn't there a corrupt cronyism story today? Yes, but it involves a connection to the other nation of 1 billion-plus, not the one he was visiting. But what about corruption, cronyism and pointless jingoism? Can we get a trifecta? Yes we can, to borrow and completely unfairly tar a perfectly good catchphrase. How about by "committing" to 250 pardons for America's 250th birthday? Definitely going to be corrupt (and crony-licious), because Trump. And by God, 250 of them really is pointlessly jingoistic. We've done it!

I want to start this week's conversation with something that might feel a little uncomfortable, but important. We're hearing a lot of noise right now about AI replacing jobs, replacing creativity, replacing businesses. But that's not actually what I'm seeing. AI isn't replacing people. It's exposing them. It's exposing who has systems…and who is still operating manually. It's exposing who has clarity…and who is just staying busy. It's exposing which businesses are built to scale…and which ones are held together by the owner's exhaustion. In this week's episode of Do It My Way, I'm diving into a conversation I think every entrepreneur, especially female CEOs, needs to hear right now: "AI Isn't Replacing You, But It Is Exposing You." Here's what we're really talking about: Why some business owners are quietly doubling their output while working less Why others feel like they're working harder than ever but not moving forward How AI is reshaping marketing, leadership, hiring, and decision-making And the real shift happening beneath all of it: leverage vs. effort This isn't a tech conversation. It's a leadership conversation. And maybe more than anything, it's an honesty conversation. Because AI isn't creating new pressure. It's revealing the pressure that was already there. If you've been feeling like things are moving faster than you can keep up with or like your business requires more of you than it should... This episode is for you. I'll walk you through what's actually changing, what I am doing differently using AI, and how to step into this next season without feeling behind or overwhelmed.

In today's episode of the Power of After Show, I'm joined by Courtney Henry to talk about how AI can truly transform your marketing—but maybe not in the way you think. Because AI isn't the strategy—it's the tool. The real difference-maker is still clarity: knowing exactly who you're speaking to and what they need to hear. We also dive into why doing less—but doing it better—is often the smartest move, especially in a world that's constantly telling you to be everywhere at once. If you're ready to simplify your approach, focus your message, and use AI in a way that actually moves the needle, this conversation is for you. More about Courtney & get her free guide at https://Growthmindedstrategy.com/guide  Full article here: https://GoalsForYourLife.com/marketing-with-ai YouTube Video of this episode here: https://youtu.be/bB5HsYGUbEQ Listen and subscribe! Get POWER OF AFTER BOOK HERE: https://amzn.to/3GpEGlJ Make sure you're getting all our podcast updates and articles! Get them here: https://goalsforyourlife.com/newsletter Resources with tools and guidance for mid-career individuals, professionals & those at the halftime of life seeking growth and fulfillment: http://HalftimeSuccess.com Chapters 0:00 Intro to the Power of Aftershow 2:45 Introducing Courtney Henry and GrowthMinded 5:30 Lessons from the world of big brand advertising 8:15 The biggest mistake in modern marketing 12:00 Why AI will not replace human critical thinking 15:45 Using AI as a junior team member for efficiency 19:30 Reducing cognitive load with smart technology 23:15 Marketing as a mindset: Shifting focus to the customer 27:00 The power of the human touch: A dog grooming story 31:30 Courtney's personal journey through burnout 35:00 The realization of choice and setting boundaries 39:15 Personal development as the key to business success 43:00 Finding joy through Irish step dancing 47:15 Pacing yourself for long-term longevity 50:00 Final takeaways: Changing your fuel source to joy 52:24 Closing and where to find Courtney

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Are you running multiple things at once and wondering why none of them are moving as fast as they should? Are you still the one every project, every client, and every decision routes through, no matter how many people you have on your team? Over nearly three decades, today's featured guest didn't just run an agency. He turned it into an incubator, spinning up multiple SaaS companies, a mobile app, and an accessibility tool, all funded and validated through a model most founders have never tried. In this episode, he'll get into how he built products without outside investors, why the bottleneck is always at the top of the bottle, and what it actually took to step out of the operator seat after 28 years in it. David Carnes is the co-founder of Arcstone, a digital agency based in Minneapolis that has been operating since 1997. Over the course of his career, he has launched multiple companies from inside the agency, including a SaaS platform for associations built as early as 2000, a document management system called Wonderfile that was acquired by Blue Tie in New York, and NC, an accessibility scanning tool built initially for Arcstone's own quality assurance needs. His wife now runs Arcstone as CEO. David currently sits in the CFO seat, operating across all three businesses as an advisor and strategic layer rather than a day-to-day operator. In this episode, we'll discuss: Creating the structure to run several businesses and not be in the middle of everything Why the founder bottleneck is a trap you can learn to avoid Understanding the importance of creating dedicated AI roles Sponsors and Resources This episode is brought to you by Wix Studio: If you're leveling up your team and your client experience, your site builder should keep up too. That's why successful agencies use Wix Studio — built to adapt the way your agency does: AI-powered site mapping, responsive design, flexible workflows, and scalable CMS tools so you spend less on plugins and more on growth. Ready to design faster and smarter? Go to wix.com/studio to get started. Herringbone Digital: If you're thinking about exiting now, planning a few years ahead, or just want to understand your options, you should know about Herringbone Digital. They're not a typical financial buyer. They're operators who actually understand what it takes to build and scale an agency because they've done it themselves. Their approach is simple: invest in great founders, protect what's already working, and help agencies scale faster. Go to https://www.herringbonedigital.com/swenk and start the conversation. Funding Products Without Giving Up Equity One of the most practical lessons owners can take from David is how he funded multiple software products without investors. The model is straightforward: go to existing clients or a relevant group, identify a shared problem, and ask them to collectively fund the build in exchange for lifetime access. For AMO, six or seven associations each kicked in eight thousand dollars. For a later mobile event app, fifteen associations each contributed five thousand. In both cases, David had enough capital to build, immediate users providing real feedback, and zero equity given away. The reason this works is the same reason the Foot in the Door methodology works inside agency sales. A small, committed financial investment creates accountability on both sides. The customers who fund it show up with feedback because they have skin in the game. The builder ships something real instead of overbuilding in isolation. David was explicit that his own tendency to overcomplicate a product shrinks significantly when real users are in the room from day one. Too Many Plates, Not Enough Structure Building multiple companies inside one agency creates a specific kind of chaos. David called it too many plants in one pot. The companies start competing for the same resources, the same attention, and the same management bandwidth. His early answer to this was to stay in the middle of everything, which meant every decision still ran through him. The shift did not come from a framework or a book. It came from maturity and, eventually, necessity. When his wife stepped into the CEO role at Arcstone and dedicated management teams formed at AMO and NC, David moved into the CFO seat and took on what he called a monster back role, someone who can move across the whole field without being anchored to any single function. That is not a role most founders reach quickly, and he is honest about the fact that he still gets pulled back in when a longtime client or friend asks for something. The trap is familiar: you step in, you mean well, and in doing so, you signal to your team that you do not trust them to handle it. Founder Bottleneck Is a Pattern, Not a Personality Flaw David does not pretend he solved the founder bottleneck problem cleanly. In reality, patterns of it showed up repeatedly. You build structure, you step back, something pulls you in, and you disrupt the system you built. David described it as spiral growth rather than linear progress. You see the same lesson again. You handle it a little better. You move on. What makes the pattern more manageable is having a framework that names it. When you can recognize "this is the trap I have fallen into before," you can course-correct faster. That is exactly the work the Founder Evolution Framework is built to do. Operator, Manager, Architect, CEO, Owner: each stage is a distinct role, not just a job title. Revenue does not move you up the ladder. Removing yourself from the critical path does. David is living proof that even experienced operators with 28 years in the seat have to be intentional about each stage of that progression. AI: Surf the Wave or Get Pummeled By It David does not treat AI as a theoretical topic. He attended a ten-thousand-dollar immersive course shortly after Claude introduced persistent context, specifically because he wanted to understand what was actually possible, not just what people were saying about it. His takeaway was concrete enough that he created two dedicated roles inside Arcstone: an AI Architect and an AI Operator. The distinction is worth understanding. The Architect builds the agents and workflows. The Operator runs them, keeps the human in the loop, and catches the errors. Because AI still makes mistakes, and the founder who knows that firsthand is the one who can train a team to work with it well, not just use it. The agencies that will benefit most are not the ones that hand AI to someone and walk away. They are the ones who build internal capability, document their models and prompts as assets, and treat the technology as a force multiplier on a team that already knows what it is doing. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

AI is changing how your customers find you—and faster than most businesses realise. In this episode, we explore the shift from traditional SEO (Search Engine Optimisation) to AEO (Answer Engine Optimisation), and what it really means for your visibility in tools like ChatGPT, Gemini, and Perplexity. Our guest, Jenna Hannon of Hatter, brings deep experience scaling companies like Uber Eats and now co-founding Hatter.ai, a platform that helps businesses improve their AI visibility. What she reveals may surprise you: even businesses doing "all the right things" with SEO may be completely invisible in AI-driven search. Why? Because AI doesn't just rank—it summarises. And that changes everything. Instead of rewarding broad, keyword-heavy content, AI tools prioritise clarity, specificity, and relevance. If your messaging is vague or trying to appeal to everyone, AI struggles to understand who you serve—and simply leaves you out of the conversation. One of the biggest takeaways? We're going back to fundamentals Clear positioning. Defined ideal clients. Consistent messaging. Your website is no longer just a digital brochure—it's a training ground for AI. Every page, blog, and piece of content contributes to how these systems interpret and recommend your business. Jenna also shares why blogging is making a comeback (yes, really), and how small businesses now have a genuine opportunity to compete with bigger brands—often outranking them—by being more focused and intentional. We also explore: The overlap (and differences) between SEO and AEO Why generic AI-generated content won't get you results How to maintain your voice while using AI tools The importance of consistency over quick fixes If you've been feeling overwhelmed by AI, this conversation brings clarity—and a practical place to start.

Trust, Proactivity, and AI in Customer Service  Shep interviews John Kim, CEO of Delight.ai. He talks about moving beyond simple automation to create personalized, proactive interactions that build trust and delight customers.  This episode of Amazing Business Radio with Shep Hyken answers the following questions and more:    How is AI transforming customer experience across different industries?  What are the benefits of automating customer service processes? Can AI enhance human interactions in customer support roles?  What is the concept of an AI concierge in modern customer experience?  How does technology help personalize customer interactions for businesses?  Top Takeaways:    AI's real value is empowering humans to be there for each other. For example, when healthcare workers spend less time completing charts and manually processing lab results, they can spend more time with their patients.   Automation through AI should remove repetitive, mundane tasks, freeing humans to devote more time and attention to meaningful interactions and care.  Some customers and employees hesitate to embrace AI, fearing that machines will do everything, leaving no room for human interaction. However, there are tasks that do not require human involvement, such as updating passwords or scheduling appointments. These tasks can be given to AI tools to free up time for tasks that require empathy and the human touch.  Customers don't dislike AI. They hate having to repeat themselves, being stuck in a loop, and wasting their time. Automation should be designed to make it easier for customers to get help without jumping through hoops and to be intelligent enough to seamlessly hand over when the technology on its own cannot solve the problem.  People want to know that the information they get from AI is accurate, private, and secure. Even a single major mistake from an AI can quickly erode trust, so businesses need systems to ensure their AI is reliable for everyone.   Customers like doing business in places where "everyone knows their name." AI can help scale this connection by helping employees remember and understand their customers as individuals. AI can augment employees' capabilities by providing access to customer history, assisting with current transactions, and anticipating future needs.   AI empowers companies to move beyond a reactive approach to proactive service by anticipating customer needs and addressing issues before customers even reach out. For example, if a customer gets disconnected in the middle of a support call, AI tools can proactively send them a text message with options to seamlessly pick up where they left off.   Because AI can analyze large amounts of information in real time, companies can be more attentive to their customers, resolving potential issues, reminding them of relevant information, and making tailored recommendations.  In the past years, convenience has been enough for most customers to do business with a company. But nowadays, it is a requirement.   The future of AI in customer service is not just about making things faster or easier. It is about creating delightful experiences. A balance of automation, personalization, proactive service, and trust is what makes customers feel valued.  Plus, Shep and John share more insights on what it takes to go from customer support to concierge-level service. Tune in!  Quote:   "Customers don't hate AI. They hate wasted effort."     About:    John Kim is the CEO of Delight.ai, an AI concierge platform with persistent memory and omnichannel continuity. Delight.ai is backed by Sendbird and trusted by over 4,000 brands, including DoorDash and Yahoo Sports.  Shep Hyken is a customer service and experience expert, New York Times bestselling author, award-winning keynote speaker, and host of Amazing Business Radio.    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Shift Happens, Jeff Edwards sits down with Mario Castro, the executive leading Cisco's $2B+ AI Infrastructure business, for a candid conversation on what it really takes to build AI that works at enterprise scale. Everyone is talking about AI. Far fewer are prepared for what it actually demands. Mario breaks through the noise to explain why successful AI adoption has very little to do with flashy demos-and everything to do with infrastructure, security, readiness, and execution. From building what he calls a Secure AI Factory to helping organizations shift from experimentation to measurable outcomes, Mario shares the lessons leaders need now if they want to stay competitive. Why listen:

It starts with weather talk and a debate about upcharges vs. add-ons — and ends with one of the most forward-thinking conversations Shawn and Marshall have ever had on the show. Because while most detailers are still arguing about what to post on Instagram, the rules of the game are quietly changing underneath everyone's feet.The topic? Agentic AI shopping — and why it's the biggest shift in consumer behavior since the smartphone. We're entering a world where customers don't search for services anymore. Their AI does it for them. It researches, shortlists, compares, and books — all before a human ever sees your name. And if your business isn't structured in a way that an algorithm can read, trust, and recommend? You simply don't exist.Shawn and Marshall break down what this actually means for detailers and service-based operators right now — not five years from now. The conversation covers everything from how to price and package your services so AI can actually understand them, to why vague website copy and "call for pricing" is quietly killing your future visibility. The middle of the funnel is disappearing. Awareness to consideration to decision used to take days. AI compresses it to seconds — and the shops that aren't on that shortlist won't even know they're losing.But this episode isn't all doom and gloom. Shawn and Marshall make the case that this is actually the biggest opportunity the top 10% of operators have ever had. Most shops will keep doing what they've always done. They'll keep running the same ads, posting the same content, and wondering why leads are slowly drying up. The shops that restructure now — clear packages, real pricing, online booking, strong review signals — become the default choice. They get picked automatically while everyone else fights over scraps.The episode also digs into the fundamentals that never change regardless of what the tech does: building genuine customer relationships, selling a lifestyle not just a service, frequency-based retention strategies, and the office complex strategy for targeting high-value recurring clients. Because AI might get customers in the door — but it's your systems and your experience that keep them coming back.The mic-drop reality of this episode? Your next customer might never Google you. Their AI will find you — or it won't.⚡ Key TakeawaysYou're Not Marketing to Humans Anymore — Not Entirely: AI agents are already researching and recommending services on behalf of customers. If your business data isn't clean, clear, and structured, you're invisible to the algorithm."Call for Pricing" is Dead: Vague offerings are a death sentence in an AI-driven world. Clear packages, defined outcomes, and transparent pricing ranges are how you get selected.Availability is a Ranking Factor: A shop with real-time online booking beats a shop that says "call us" every single time. AI defaults to what it can confirm and act on immediately.Write the Script the AI Will Repeat About You: Your website copy, Google reviews, and service descriptions need to tell a story that an AI would summarize favorably. If you wouldn't want an AI repeating it, rewrite it.Sell a Lifestyle, Not a Service: The shops building real retention aren't selling details — they're selling the feeling of driving a clean car, the pride of a protected investment, the identity of someone who takes care of their things.The Window is Open — But Not Forever: Most shops won't adapt early. That's your advantage. The operators who restructure for AI selection now become the default choice before the competition even realizes the game changed.

The AI infrastructure gap is one of the most misunderstood barriers to real innovation. While the global conversation celebrates breakthroughs in generative AI, automation, and intelligent systems, a large part of the world is dealing with a much more fundamental question: Can we even support AI at scale? This isn't a theoretical issue. It's a structural reality shaping how entire regions adopt—or struggle to adopt—modern technology. About Dr. James Maisiri Dr. James Maisiri is a researcher, educator, and public intellectual focused on how artificial intelligence, robotics, and emerging technologies are transforming labor, education, and society across Africa. His work bridges sociology and technology, with a strong emphasis on ethical and inclusive digital transformation. He has contributed to global discussions through UNESCO research, the Journal of BRICS Studies, and major publications like Mail & Guardian and The Star. His perspective brings a critical lens to how AI systems reflect power, culture, and inequality.

If you're running an online business and feeling overwhelmed by all the AI noise, this one is for you.  I'm sharing exactly how I'm using AI right now, how I built Carrie AI from my own frameworks and knowledge, and where I honestly think this is all heading over the next 18 months. ✨ Join my free Ideas to Income challenge → https://fea.link/ideas WE'LL TALK ABOUT... Why ignoring AI right now could genuinely leave your business behind How I use AI to pull my voice and stories out of me (not replace them) Why I built Carry AI and what happened when 9,000 people used it in one challenge How to integrate AI directly into your offers and coaching programs The environmental and ethical side of AI that we also need to talk about Why fear-mongering content about AI is the one thing you should stop consuming How to stay ahead as the landscape completely shifts over the next 2 years I also share the parts that don't get talked about enough. The moment I realised repetitive tasks were stealing my best creative energy. The mindset shift that changed how I see AI entirely. And why building your own AI version of yourself might be the most powerful thing you do for your business this year. Because AI isn't going anywhere. And neither are you. Let's figure this out together. Carrie xx

Who is Anna?Anna is a psychologist who specializes in helping individuals and organizations navigate the often invisible, yet crucial, “unwritten rules” of work. Anna works particularly with neurodivergent individuals and has a deep background in exploring class culture clashes within the workplace—especially the challenges faced when employees transition from blue-collar roles into corporate environments. Her upcoming book tackles these unwritten rules head-on, offering practical advice for leaders, staff, and HR professionals on how to recognise and address the subtle dynamics that impact team engagement, employee retention, and overall organisational success. Get ready for a conversation packed with actionable insights and straight-talking advice from someone who's dedicated her career to demystifying what really makes teams tick behind the scenesKey Takeaways* If your best performers hit a wall after their promotion, look out for unwritten rules holding them back. Culture clashes are real, and naming them is the first step to fixing your team.* Every workplace has unwritten rules—norms no one talks about that trip up even the best people. When these rules go unspoken, they can kill engagement and stall change.* Do you ever promote a top worker, only to see them struggle? The issue might not be skill, but hidden cultural expectations. It's time to get clear on what success really looks like.* What does your “ideal employee” look like in your mind? Dig deep—sometimes our assumptions create noise, not results. Get intentional about measuring what actually matters.* Before jumping into AI or new strategies, solve the unseen people problems first. Automation just speeds up whatever's broken—fix your foundation before you build.Don't forget: If you want to connect, ask questions, or get notified about upcoming guests like Anna, subscribe to the Systemise.Me newsletter here. You only need your first name and email—easy as (coffee) pie!Thanks for sharing a cup with us this week. Here's to strong coffee, smart hiring, and believing in the dreams you're just starting to imagine.And don't forget: keep an eye out for next guest. To submit your own questions, subscribe to our newsletter and join the conversation!P.S. Loved this episode? Hit reply and let us know what resonated most_________________________________________________________________________________________________Subscribe to our newsletter and get details of when we are doing these interviews live at www.systemise.me/subscribeFind out more about being a guest at : link.thecompleteapproach.co.uk/beaguestSubscribe to the podcast at https://link.thecompleteapproach.co.uk/podcastHelp us get this podcast in front of as many people as possible. Leave a nice five-star review at apple podcasts : https://link.thecompleteapproach.co.uk/apple-podcasts and on YouTube : https://link.thecompleteapproach.co.uk/Itsnotrocketscienceatyt!Do You Need a P.A.T.H. to Scale?We help established business owners with small but growing teams:go from feeling stuck, sceptical, and tired of wasting time and money on false promises,to running a confident, purpose-driven business where their team delivers results, customers are happy, and they can finally enjoy more time with their family -with a results-based refund guarantee: if you follow the process and it doesn't work, we refund what you paid.This is THE P.A.T.H. to scale your business.————————————————————————————————————————————-TranscriptNote, this was transcribed using transcription software and may not reflect the exact words used in the podcast.SUMMARY KEYWORDSunwritten rules of work, employee engagement, employee retention, promotion pipeline issues, blue collar workers, white collar workers, management training, cultural norms, organizational culture, class culture clash, communication skills, indirect communication, assertiveness, workplace professionalism, neurodivergence, unconscious bias, productivity issues, team performance, leadership recommendations, HR practices, workplace audits, work miscommunication, onboarding, context performance, task performance, workplace diversity, automation, AI in the workplace, organizational change, workplace complianceSPEAKERAnna Kallschmidt, Stuart WebbStuart Webb [00:00:31]:Hi and welcome back to It's Not Rocket Science. Five questions over coffee I have with me. Well, it's not coffee actually at the moment, this is a tea. But I'm here with Dr. Anna Kauchmid. Hello Anna. Hope you're got a coffee or something with you to refresh you during this brilliant stuff. Anna is a psychologist.Stuart Webb [00:00:52]:She works particularly with people who know neurodivergent, etc, talking about the unwritten rules of work. And I know you've got a book coming out soon, Anna, which I hope we can get into. So welcome to It's Not Rocket Science. Five questions over coffee. And I hope that you are going to be able to tell us about the very unwritten rules there are around work.Stuart Webb [00:01:14]:Thank you. Thank you for having me. And I love the title of the podcast because I do think that internally a lot, this isn't rocket science. We don't need to, we don't need to make it more complicated than it is.Stuart Webb [00:01:25]:No, we don't. No we don't. And there is, there is too much already of people trying to make things sound complicated. And I do say often, you know, if, if it's too, if it's too complicated for me to understand, it's already got too complicated and you don't have to get too complicated for me to lose it. So let's talk about you and your work. Let's talk about the sort of the people that you're trying to help. What's the, what how would you characterize and what, what, how do they, what is it that they notice about themselves? Or are they business owners that need the help for their employees?Stuart Webb [00:02:00]:Yeah. So since I look at the unwritten rules of work, which are the cultural norms that are so ingrained in your organization that people don't think they need to be transparent about what they are. So it's really about. There's a cultural problem which impacts so many things. So I'm going to tell you the signs that my clients notice when they come to me, but at the core of them is being not in denial. That's my ideal client, someone who's not in denial. Someone who's recognized that there's an issue and wants to move forward.Stuart Webb [00:02:32]:And for those of us who aren't yet even aware of the problem, what's the problem? What are the things they're noticing so that, so maybe there are people out there that haven't even yet got to.Stuart Webb [00:02:40]:That stage so it can be low. Employee engagement is always one very poor retention. You're having Problems promoting have. You have like great employees. This is a big one. I see you have great employees from like entry level to like almost middle management. But once they get into like the higher corporate levels, it's like they fall apart or they just don't get it. So I see this a lot specifically in industries that have like a blue collar, white collar, two different subsets, so like retail or anything in manufacturing etc.Stuart Webb [00:03:17]:Of where you have like these excellent blue collar workers. You promote them up to the corporate side and they're like, what is going on? Because he introduced me as neurodivergent, which is true, but originally my work is about class and there's a class culture clash there. And so it's when you have a really good performer who as they get higher they run into more problems. And when you see this, so you have promotion pipeline issues, you have retention issues, you might have productivity issues and you might have complaints about your management at the management level after you've promoted them. And you're not sure why because they were always great performers and you know, they work really hard.Stuart Webb [00:03:54]:So tell me, you know the people that you're talking about there, the managers, the business owners, the founders of those companies, what are the things they've done? They, presumably they've gone through the sort of, they've gone through the usual training, they've tried to sort of train their managers in better communication, all that sort of thing. What do they normally find that, that they haven't done, that they haven't understood what their problem is.Stuart Webb [00:04:16]:A lot of us, and this is normal human nature, a lot of us have a hard time conceptualizing that our normal isn't. Everyone's normal. And it's one of those. That sounds simple, that's not rocket science, but that's so deeply ingrained that a lot of companies spend a lot of money trying to add more things to solve the problem, have this training, have that speaker come in, etc. But they don't look at what the core issues are. And it's just assumed that it's very, it's just professionalism. And that people get bristled when you say that because like, well, that's just being respectful. That's not all the professionalism is.Stuart Webb [00:04:59]:Right, it's very easy to dismiss and be like, this is just how things are done. This is just white collar work, this is just professionalism. But it's things like indirect communication. It's things like they don't know how to schmooze enough, they're rubbing People wrong, they seem rough around the edges or that they either don't know how to be assertive enough or they come across as aggressive. And it's those little nuances that are more common in blue collar and pink collar work of being more direct in your communication, of talking more about task and less about interpersonal skills. And then it changes when it gets to the corporate level. And so bringing in somebody to talk about unconscious bias can be great for other reasons, but it's not going to solve those culture clashes.Stuart Webb [00:05:47]:Okay. Okay. So you must have some great advice that you can give to people to take them into that first step. And I know we're going to get into some of the stuff that you offer us in terms of sort of. If you go to the vault that we have here, which is the systemized me free stuff vault, we've got got stuff from, from Anna which you can sort of grab but talk us through sort of. What is the advice that you give to companies when they first come to you? The sort of thing that you're telling them they need to start this process before they get an expert like you involved.Stuart Webb [00:06:20]:So I do it on. I will do an unwritten rules audit for where I look at water. I have eight groups of unwritten rules and I can survey that and tell you which ones you're struggling with. But I have a very quick free version on my website drkaulschmidt.com quiz and it's about four questions. Once you tell me if you're looking for yourself, your organization, and that'll let me know which one you're struggling with the most. Are you struggling with people? Don't tell you about problems until it's too late. Are you struggling with people? There's a lot of miscommunications and it's delaying productivity. Are you struggling with.Stuart Webb [00:06:54]:You have a team of really top performers, but they do not know how to work together. And that helps me narrow down which culture clash might be an issue. And then I can make recommendations for your organization so that that is the quickest free option. But I do have, like I said, a book coming out in the next couple of weeks and that has every chapter covers an unwritten rule and at the end of every chapter I give recommendations for leaders, staff and hr. And those are very practical, hands on. I don't do the vague advice thing, if you haven't noticed. I'm like. The first thing I said was like, well, you have to not be in denial.Stuart Webb [00:07:34]:Right. So it's a very, it's A very. I've been told I'm not a B12 shot speaker. I'm not going to make you feel great and then walk away and you're like, what are we doing? So it's very. The book is over 300 pages for a reason. It's very tangible, hands on.Stuart Webb [00:07:51]:And that's a really good recommendation for anybody who's here at the moment for actual practical advice. And that's the stuff we love to give on this podcast. Because I don't know about you and comment in the below. If you're beginning to see things in what you're being told now, are you seeing things in your work, where you're going, I think I've got one of these. And I know Anna or myself will come back to you and sort of direct you in the right direction to start getting that help. Because we all need to start being direct with people. We need to start getting that sort of action that Anna's talking about now. We need to, to be able to move things forward.Stuart Webb [00:08:28]:So, yeah, do comment below on things that you might have seen in your workplace and let us know whether or not this is resonating. Anna, you were saying you were direct. How did you come to be this expert in these unwritten rules, the things that we don't see? How did you manage to sort of find them? And how did you find them, work them out?Stuart Webb [00:08:51]:Well, I like to do well. The short answer is I screwed up enough that I had to figure it out. You know, I pissed off people. Okay, yeah, I can see that deep dive on this. But I would say, I'd say the moment that it started coming together for me was in my first week of my PhD program. We have this class, Introduction to Industrial Psychology, where we're going over. I'm the type of psychologist, nobody knows who we are, so we're going over like, you know, job performance, how to design metrics, how to design jobs, how to do a job analysis, all of those tangible things. And we learned first week there are two types of job performance.Stuart Webb [00:09:25]:Does that sound right to you, that there are two types? No, that's not so it fascinated me as well. And so the first type is task performance, which is what is in your job description. And the other kind is contextual performance. And it was all of those other things that help organizations, but that aren't written down. And I was like, so what are all those other things? And the room just went silent and everybody was like, well, you know, I was like, no, no, I wouldn't have.Stuart Webb [00:09:57]:Asked the question if I knew and.Stuart Webb [00:09:59]:I was coming in. I didn't go straight from undergrad to grad. I worked since high school and I worked in between grad. So I had work experience. And I was like, what is this? And I was already doing a research my master's thesis was on. Is a low income background stigmatized at work even after you've experienced social class mobility and even for white men in America? And so I was already in that vein of looking at class. And so when nobody could tell me what all those other things were. And IO psychology is so big on measurement.Stuart Webb [00:10:32]:Like, we're so big on what gets measured, you know, matters and drives performance. So it was just weird to me that there was this whole second piece of performance that we weren't being really clear about. And so that's what I ended up doing my dissertation on was what are the unwritten rules of work for people who move up from a low income background to middle class or higher through employment? And So I interviewed 64 people and noticed themes and what they were saying. I talked to black and white women and men in the United States. And then over time, my next study, I made a scale and I administered it to all races and genders in the US And I looked at statistically significant differences. And so it's just kind of evolved from that moment of being like, what's all that other stuff?Stuart Webb [00:11:22]:And so is that effectively the book? Is that what you've now put into the book so that you can really, well, at this stage categorize what those unreal written rules are so that now there is an answer to the question, what are the unwritten rul rules?Stuart Webb [00:11:40]:Yeah, that's the book. So I did the dissertation and I didn't plan on becoming like the unwritten rules coach, but I. I have largely been outside of academia. Like I've done, you know, I've kept a research hold and I sometimes teach, but largely I've worked for the federal government or private consulting firms and worked in organizations. And everywhere I worked, the unwritten rules were a problem. Like, no matter what, if you go in and you're trying to implement a change and nobody knows what you're talking about when they don't know how to talk to each other, it's not going to work. And so it just kept on becoming this pattern of noticing that it's like putting a band aid on a broken bone, right? We're not addressing the broken bone. And so, yeah, I just kept researching it.Stuart Webb [00:12:25]:And then in the book I talk about I spent a chapter on the research on each of them. I spinach. I talk about my personal experiences with organizations, and I also talk about case studies of where we can see these rules play out in other organizations as well.Stuart Webb [00:12:41]:That's fascinating. And, you know, I mean, that, that strikes me that it's not just small business owners who are currently struggling with their teams, which are perhaps not quite as functioning as the way you. They would like them to be, who are listening to this and thinking, that might be me. But it's those organizations that are trying to undergo big change. And I've been involved with. And you are absolutely right that when you try and make a change, even if it is for the better, nobody wants to adopt that change. And it's largely down to a bunch of things that you cannot tangibly put your finger on and go, we need to address this. And it's those unwritten rules which actually prevent and cause those transformations to often go very badly wrong, become very expensive, and be very expensive to fix.Stuart Webb [00:13:29]:So this doesn't change a large number of people. Yeah, that's exactly right. AI is actually making problem almost worse.Stuart Webb [00:13:36]:Yeah. Because it's ample. AI amplifies and automates the good and the bad. And then I'm sure you've heard of the MIT study that came out a few months ago that was like 95% of AI actually isn't increasing profits at all. Did you see that?Stuart Webb [00:13:49]:I did.Stuart Webb [00:13:50]:Okay, so what I found interesting. So one of my unwritten rules is the unwritten rule of compliance, which is that people might ask you for your opinion, but they're not really asking for your opinion. Right. You're supposed to just agree. And one of the examples that the MIT report gave was that there was this huge flop. And of course, they don't name the organization. That one person, one leader made this global rollout, just him and AI, no feedback. Nobody else looked at it.Stuart Webb [00:14:22]:And guess what? It didn't go well. Isn't that shocking? And that to me, that's an example of you automated. The unwritten rule of compliance.Stuart Webb [00:14:32]:Yeah, yeah.Stuart Webb [00:14:32]:Because AI is only going to disagree with you if you tell it to. Otherwise it's like, yeah, you go, girl. You are so smart. Like, hello. Right. And you have to tell it. Don't hallucinate. What are the holes here? And even then, you still have to think for yourself.Stuart Webb [00:14:50]:So to me, that was an example of. I wasn't even looking for it. I was just reading the report. I found it interesting because I'm not anti AI. I'm just anti being stupid with AI. And I saw that example and I was like, well, there you go. There's an unwritten rule on automation.Stuart Webb [00:15:06]:I must admit that that's one I shall now start to quote more often. I do often get involved in companies that are trying to improve productivity with AI. And the one thing that I often say about automation, and I did automation for a number of years, I built a couple of companies around automation. And the one thing that I was always taught and always said to customers as they started their automation product, please let's start by sor out the problems because otherwise your automation will just make your bad stuff flow faster and you cannot then control it. If your bad process is now fast, you don't even understand where the bad stuff's coming from because it would come at you so quickly. Too many companies I don't believe are looking at these sort of unwritten rules, looking at the underlying problems first, resolving those. So they've got a foundation for growth and a foundation for building those, those, those, those glorious temples of, of sc. And I'm not going to try and keep you here all afternoon.Stuart Webb [00:16:06]:I'm sure we could have a very, very long conversation and it would be great fun. But people want to get, want to get to the nub of things. And one of those things that I think is really important is there must be a question at the moment that you're thinking he hasn't asked me the killer question, the one question that will really break this topic open. So I'm going to ask you to tell me what that question is because I obviously don't know it and I haven't asked it. But then you're obviously going to have to answer it for me because that is the key to getting this topic embedded in everybody's workplace.Stuart Webb [00:16:42]:You know, I have not the only question you sent me that I could not answer. But I what it reminded me of is that something, an exercise that I do with some of my clients is I'll ask them to picture their ideal employee and I'll ask them what are they doing?Stuart Webb [00:17:01]:Good question for them.Stuart Webb [00:17:03]:And I'll ask them what are they doing? Okay, what does this look like? And it's a helpful because you know, you should already be doing this because why are you measuring job performance if you can't tell me this? Right? So we're having this conversation. It'll be like this person is a great communicator. This person is a great team player. This person, you know, tries to solve problems first and then they Come to me Da da da da. And then at the end I asked them, and what background did you assign that person? Because inherently, what race did you assign that person? What gender did you assign that person? How old were they? There's all these things that we don't realize. Color, who we foresee. And it's both important to know who your ideal employee is so that you can make sure you're measuring job performance. That is needed.Stuart Webb [00:17:48]:And it's important to also recognize the noise because too often, and we all do this, we all, like, I think white women with a Southern American accent sound brilliant, right? But that's because they sound like me, you know, and so, like, we all do that. And so it's important to recognize that we all have noise. And, and that is a really critical takeaway in my book is one of the main recommendations is we all need to have frame of reference training. And that's going to be the next rollout. In my workshops that I do in my online school community is focusing on how do we narrow down the noise because it may make us feel good short term, but then we run into all those problems that we talked about in the beginning of the. Why are the people I'm promoting not meeting expectations? Why do we have low engagement? Why am I spending so much in turnover? What's going on? Why is my AI not working? Right? All of these things.Stuart Webb [00:18:55]:Yeah. Yeah, Brilliant. Anna, thank you so much for spending a few minutes with us. You know, what you say is so critical to people who are trying to grow their businesses, who are trying to sort of get work done more profitably, get it done productively. They're ignoring, they're often ignoring, you know, they've got the task, they're ignoring the other stuff. And that's the thing that often slows you down. So I think you're, you. You've got a, you've got a great way of putting it.Stuart Webb [00:19:25]:I love the way you're putting it. I really hope that if anybody here is, is thinking, I, I know that's me. Please drop comments down in the chat below. We will get back to you. We will point you in the right direction because I think this is a great way of doing it. The other thing I'm going to ask you all to do now is this link, which is www.systemize.me forward/subscribe. That's systemize.me forward/subscribe. It's a simple form.Stuart Webb [00:19:53]:It just asks you for your name and an email address. You will then get onto the website, the mailing lists, apologies, the mailing list for this, for the show. You'll get an email once a week from me telling you who's coming up. And you can come and look on LinkedIn and join the join the call so that you can get your questions answered. But in the meantime, Dr. Anna Carlschmidt, thank you so much for spending a few minutes with us. Really appreciate you coming and explaining some of those unwritten rules. I'm now going to have an unwritten rule, which is I need to have a drink immediately after this.Stuart Webb [00:20:23]:So thank you very much for your time. And I look forward to seeing, seeing more of what you are producing as you do the second version of all of this.Stuart Webb [00:20:31]:All right. Thank you so much. Have a good one. Get full access to It's Not Rocket Science! at thecompleteapproach.substack.com/subscribe

AI is moving fast. So why are so many fractional CMOs spending their nights vibe coding SaaS tools that nobody's paying for? In this episode, Casey draws a hard line between eating your dinner and eating dessert — and explains why most marketers are choosing the wrong one.   He breaks down the two camps: the ones who feel behind and don't know how to talk about AI without sounding lost, and the ones who can't stop tinkering long enough to close a client. Neither extreme wins. What wins is knowing enough to lead — and selling that leadership at a price that reflects it.   But here's the positioning trap Casey flags early: don't walk into a prospect conversation rattling off a hundred AI use cases like you're reading from a feature list. The CMO who says "I do a thousand things with AI" gets tuned out. The CMO who says "here are the three things I'd tackle with AI so we don't have to hire for them" gets hired. Specificity is confidence. Overwhelm is not.   Because AI doesn't have taste. It doesn't have discernment. It doesn't have experience. And without those three things in the room, your client is already heading toward a slop loop — generating garbage that looks like growth until it isn't. That's why the market needs you more right now than it ever has, not as the person who builds the tools, but as the person who decides whether to use them.   Key Topics Covered:   The two camps fractional CMOs fall into — and why both are leaving money on the table What the "$6 Uber era" of AI compute means for how fast you need to move with clients The three things AI will never have — and why your clients are paying for exactly those What a slop loop looks like before it becomes obvious (and why it's your job to see it coming) Why vibe coding gives you dopamine but not dollars How to talk about AI in a pitch without overwhelming a prospect or underselling yourself The one-line positioning shift that turns "you're smart" into "I want to bet on you"  

What if AI isn't saving you time…Not because it's not powerful enough, but because you're using it the exact same way as everyone else?If you've ever opened ChatGPT, asked it to write something, and thought “this is going to make everything easier”… only to spend the next 20 minutes fixing it, you're not alone.And you're not doing it wrong.But you are missing the bigger shift.Because right now, most business owners are using AI to speed up the first draft.And that helps.But it doesn't actually change how you operate.You're still making every decision.You're still editing everything.You're still carrying the mental load.Which means you're still the bottleneck.In this episode of Rocky Mountain Marketing, I'm kicking off a four part series on AI, and we're starting with the shift most people have not made yet.The difference between using AI as a content tool… and using AI like a CEO.Because those are two very different things.One gives you more to manage.The other gives you your time back.In this episode, I walk through:Why AI feels helpful but not transformativeWhat “ask and receive” mode actually looks likeWhy most AI generated content feels genericThe real reason business owners still feel overwhelmedHow AI should support execution, not just outputBecause the goal is not more content.It's more capacity.Timestamps[00:00:00] – Why AI Isn't Saving You Time (Yet)[00:01:30] – Using AI Like a CEO vs Just a Tool[00:03:00] – Why AI Isn't Reducing Your Workload[00:04:30] – Shift: From Content Creation to Business Support[00:06:00] – Your Real Bottleneck: Capacity, Not Ideas[00:10:00] – Build Leverage Instead of Doing Everything Yourself[00:11:00] – What AI Support Looks Like for Business Owners[00:12:00] – Start Here: Your Anti-To-Do List Strategy[00:13:00] – From AI Beginner to Strategic Operator[00:14:00] – Next Step: Train AI to Think Like YouBefore you open AI again, do this first.Make a list of three things you do every single week that you never want to do again.Not someday.Not when you hire a team.Right now.That's where AI should start helping.Because AI is not here to make you faster at doing everything.It's here to help you stop doing the wrong things entirely.Learn more about Katie and Next Step Social & Podcasting:Speaking: https://katiebrinkley.com/Website: https://www.nextstepsocial.com/Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/katiebrinkleyYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/@rockymountainmarketingInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamkatiebrinkley/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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So… do you actually question your AI? Or are you just copying, pasting, and hoping for the best?Because I saw something unfold last year that made me go… yikes.A business owner posted bold, opinionated content calling people out... and when they got called out in the comments? Their automation replied with “check your DMs.”Not ideal… especially when you're dealing with sensitive, high-stakes conversations.In this episode, I'm unpacking where AI can go very wrong in your marketing... from over-relying on automations in moments that require human connection, to trusting AI-generated content without actually questioning it.Because AI is powerful… but it's not the strategy. And it's definitely not the voice of your business.If you LOVED this episode, make sure you share this on your Instagram stories and tag us @contentqueenmariah.⁠⁠⁠⁠LEARN THE DETAILS OF A CONTENT STRATEGY WITH MY FREE AUDIO GUIDE⁠⁠⁠⁠KEY EPISODE TAKEAWAYS

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Are you struggling to scale your agency or are you unknowingly the thing holding it back? At what point does your growth stop being a systems problem and start becoming a leadership one? Today's guest shares what it to break through those ceilings. After scaling quickly off the back of a strong network, he made the critical decision to systemize everything before growth turned him into the bottleneck. By leveraging documentation in a smart, intentional way, he built a foundation that allowed the agency to grow without everything running through him. In this conversation, he unpacks the realities of working with enterprise clients, the often uncomfortable shift from operator to CEO, and why—despite all the noise, AI is actually increasing the need for human judgment, taste, and leadership, not replacing it. Ted Harrison is the CEO and founder of Neuemotion, a fast-growing B2B creative agency working with enterprise brands. Before launching his agency, he spent seven years at Twitter (later X), where he led advertiser production, helping global brands create better-performing content at scale. After navigating the chaos of a major corporate transition, Ted left to build an agency where he could control decisions, scale creative impact, and architect a business on his own terms. In this episode, we'll discuss: Avoiding the trap of confusing early traction with a scalable model Leveraging documentation early Enterprise clients as a double-edged sword Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service. Toggl: Most agencies are losing 15–30% of their profit every year: lack of time tracking, messy manual timesheets, scope creep, untracked revisions, and all those "quick" client requests that never get billed. Toggl has created a fast, interactive way to uncover exactly where your margins are leaking. Start your investigation now at toggl.com/smartagency and use the code SMARTAGENCY10 at checkout for a 10% off annual plans. The Hidden Trap of Scaling Expertise Leaving Twitter a year after the acquisition ultimately created opportunities for Ted's newly founded agency. Many had left long before him, had already found new jobs, and proved to be valuable contacts for potential clients. Ted tapped into this powerful network, and the access to enterprise clients helped him build momentum and fast growth. However, that same advantage creates a structural risk: those clients don't initially trust the agency, they trust you. This is where most founders get stuck. They confuse early traction with a scalable model. In reality, they've just extended their personal brand into a slightly larger container. The real challenge is transferring trust. If you don't systemize your thinking, your decision-making, and your taste, every new client reinforces dependency. The agency grows, but so does the founder's involvement. And eventually, growth slows, not because of demand, but because of capacity. Documentation as a Scaling Weapon (Not a Nice-to-Have) Luckily for Ted, by the time he started the agency, he already understood the importance of documenting processes, which has helped him greatly as he initiates his transition out of operations. Instead of relying on shadowing, tribal knowledge, or ad hoc training, Ted documented his thinking through a book, internal frameworks, and structured onboarding. Every new team member consumes that context upfront. This does two things most agencies miss: First, it compresses onboarding time. Instead of months of "figuring it out," team members immediately understand how decisions get made. Second, it creates consistency without rigidity. The team isn't copying Ted, but they're operating from the same mental model. This is the difference between delegation and true scale. Without documentation, you're forced to stay involved because no one else "thinks like you." With it, you create a system where people can make aligned decisions independently, while still bringing their own perspective. The Operator → CEO Shift Is Uncomfortable (But Necessary) Ted is currently in the most dangerous phase for any founder: the transition from doing to leading. At ~20–30 employees, the cracks start to show. You can't be in every decision. You can't touch every client. And you can't be the quality control layer anymore. This is where many founders regress. They step back in when things break. They reinsert themselves into delivery. They become the "fixer" again. But that behavior reinforces the very bottleneck they're trying to escape. The real shift is identity, not activity. As an operator, your value comes from execution. As a CEO, your value comes from clarity, structure, and direction. If you don't make that shift intentionally, the agency will stall right at the point where it should scale. AI Is Not Replacing Agencies, It's Exposing Them At his agency, Ted's team is using AI in two ways. At the client level, they're mostly building agents, using it to clean up audio and video, and using its output as a starting point. Internally, they have their own "TedGPT", which has proven to be a great tool to scale knowledge. When it comes to how his enterprise clients are using it, Ted has seen that rather than replacing agencies with AI, they're hiring agencies to fix what AI broke. Why is this? Because AI lacks taste, context, and lived experience. It can generate and optimize. But it can't decide what matters. That's where agencies still win, if they position correctly. The real risk for agencies is doing work that AI can replace. Low-level execution, undifferentiated production, and generic output are already commoditized. Enterprise Clients Are a Double-Edged Sword Something Ted wishes he'd known before working with enterprise clients is that it introduces a level of complexity most founders underestimate. Long payment terms. Free pitch work. Endless stakeholder input. Constant shifting priorities. It's both harder and structurally different. Like most founders who have worked with enterprise clients, Ted eventually realized that the bigger the client, the more operational friction you inherit. That doesn't mean you shouldn't work with them, but it does meanyou need to build systems that protect your agency from them. Without strong positioning, pricing discipline, and process control, enterprise clients will consume your team, and your margins. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

A new study is being pushed through the media claiming AI chatbots are dangerous because they struggle to diagnose patients with incomplete information. Really? So do doctors. Every single day. Patients walk in with vague symptoms, missing details, bad memories—and doctors guess. They call it “clinical judgment.” When AI does the same thing, suddenly it’s a crisis? Give me a break. Because buried inside this so-called warning is the truth they don’t want you focused on: when the data is complete, AI doesn’t just compete—it dominates. Accuracy jumps north of 90 percent. So let’s be clear about what this actually is. Not a warning. Not a breakthrough. A narrative. This is the beginning of the medical establishment circling the wagons. Because AI is exposing something they never wanted you to question—that the system isn’t nearly as precise, as consistent, or as untouchable as they’ve claimed. AI doesn’t get tired. It doesn’t have an ego. It doesn’t rush you out of the room in seven minutes. And it doesn’t protect a broken system. So now the messaging begins: “Don’t trust it. It’s dangerous. Stick with us.” But what they’re really saying is this: Don’t replace us. We break down the study, the spin, and why this could be the opening shot in a full-scale war against AI in medicine. If you’re ready to take control of your health without waiting on a broken system, start here

AI isn't coming for coaching — it's exposing it.In this raw, unfiltered conversation, Kellan sits down with two experienced coaches to confront a truth most people are avoiding: if your coaching is built on frameworks, scripts, and surface-level advice… it's already obsolete.Because AI can do all of that — faster, better, and at scale.So what's left?The answer is uncomfortable… and non-negotiable.Key Takeaways:How coaches are actually using AI right now in real client workWhy AI can outperform most coaches in knowledge, frameworks, and strategyThe hidden danger of over-relying on AI for thinking and decision-makingThe difference between surface-level coaching and embodied coachingWhy “human connection” is not enough if it's not realThe rise of community, retreats, and deeper human experiencesThe truth about self-awareness and why most coaches lack itThe role of grief, life experience, and personal transformation in becoming a real coachThe dangers of creating an “AI bubble” that distorts realityWhy most coaches will struggle to survive in the next few yearsWhat AI can never replicate — and why it matters more than everThe importance of ongoing personal development and self-honestyHow to become “AI-proof” as a coach

Most people right now feel like they're behind with AI.But that's not actually what's happening.You're not missing intelligence.You're not missing effort.You're missing a way to understand what you're looking at.Because AI isn't just changing how work gets done.It's changing how decisions get made.And without a clear way to evaluate what you're seeing…everything starts to feel uncertain.In this episode, we break down why AI feels harder to trust than it should, why “good enough” is becoming dangerous, and what's actually happening beneath the surface.Because the real risk isn't using AI wrong.It's making decisions you can't explain later.

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What if you could see exactly what's happening in your salon… in real time? Joel Bouzaid reveals the 5 shifts AI will create for Salon CEOs, and what you must fix now to win. This isn't about robots cutting hair. It's about what happens when your salon becomes fully visible… your numbers, your team performance, your systems… all in real time. Because AI isn't here to replace you or your team. It's here to separate the salons who are organised and decisive… from the ones who are still guessing. If your salon feels even a little messy behind the scenes, this is your wake-up call. 3 Reasons You Need to Listen You'll understand the 5 operational shifts that will change salons over the next 3 years (and how to stay ahead).You'll learn why your team won't rely on you the same way anymore.You'll see where your salon might be exposed and what to tighten immediately (so AI works for you, not against you).

Everyone is talking about AI like it's the end of work.But we've heard this before.From the Luddites to the internet boom, every major technological leap came with the same prediction: mass job loss, economic collapse, and human irrelevance.And every single time… it was wrong.In this episode, Chad Law breaks down why the AI panic feels so familiar—and why the people pushing the fear might not be worried about you at all.Because AI doesn't just automate work.It exposes systems.⚡ Inside this episode:The historical pattern behind every “job-killing” technologyWhy AI is different—but not in the way you're being toldHow government inefficiency becomes visible in an AI-driven worldThe real meaning behind AI regulation pushesWhy UBI keeps appearing every time fear peaksThe concept of AI as a “clarity machine”This isn't about replacement.It's about exposure.

Most hiring processes obsess over the wrong things. Do they know our project management software? Are they proficient in this specific tool? Meanwhile, the one capability that actually determines whether someone will make your life easier or harder—their ability to solve problems independently—gets a cursory “are you a good problem solver?” question that everyone answers with “yes.” In this episode, Chip and Gini break down why problem-solving ability should be the primary hiring criterion, especially as AI makes technical skills easier to acquire and offload. The conversation explores why this matters more now than ever: as AI handles tactical execution, the ability to define problems clearly, break them into components, and figure out solutions becomes the differentiator between humans who add value and humans who get replaced. Chip and Gini discuss how problem-solving cuts across every role, even ones you don’t typically think of as problem-solving positions. Designers facing impossible deadlines, account people navigating last-minute client demands, anyone dealing with the reality that things rarely go according to plan. They all need to be able to figure out how to move forward rather than escalating every obstacle upward. The episode tackles the mechanics of actually interviewing for this capability. You can’t just ask “are you a good problem solver?”—you need scenario-based questions that reveal how candidates think through challenges. But not hypothetical scenarios you make up; real situations that have happened in your agency. Ask them to walk through how they’ve handled compressed timelines, missing information, conflicting priorities, or last-minute changes in past roles. Gini shares how her daughter’s school explicitly focuses on humanities and emotional intelligence rather than technical skills, anticipating that AI will reshape what jobs exist. She connects this to Anthropic’s hiring practice of seeking people with humanities degrees who can absorb information, think critically, and demonstrate emotional intelligence rather than just technical proficiency. The episode concludes with an important reminder: if you hire problem solvers but then micromanage how they solve problems, you’ve wasted the hire. You need to let them solve things their way, even if it’s different from how you’d do it, or you’ll end up with everything back on your plate anyway. Key takeaways Chip Griffin: “The very best hires are folks who are able to figure out how to look at a problem and come up with ideas on how to solve it in ways that are reasonable that they can execute upon to get it solved.” Gini Dietrich: “When you think about problem solving, that is one thing that it will be challenging for AI to do, but really important for a human to be able to do. If you can demonstrate that you can solve problems and you know how to hire for people who can solve problems, then all of a sudden you’ve got AI over here doing the tactical work, but you’re doing the high level thinking work.” Chip Griffin: “This isn’t about the specifics of the answer, it’s more making sure that they can think through the method and approach. That’s what signals to you that they’re able to break down the challenge into its component parts to make progress.” Gini Dietrich: “I don’t wanna hear problems, I wanna hear solutions. That’s training the problem solving mentality. I need you to come to me with the solutions. I’m not gonna be the one who comes up with the solutions. It’s not scalable, it’s exhausting.” Turn Ideas Into Action Rewrite your interview questions to focus on real scenarios. Pull up your current interview script and replace skill-testing questions with situation-based ones drawn from actual challenges your team has faced in the past six months. Instead of “Do you know Asana?” ask “Tell me about a time you got an urgent request at 4pm Friday with a Monday deadline. Walk me through your approach.” Spend 30 minutes creating 3-5 scenario questions specific to each role you hire for. Test whether you’re letting your problem solvers actually solve. Pick the last three times a team member brought you a problem this week. For each one, honestly assess: did you immediately jump in with the solution, or did you ask “how do you think we should handle this?” If you solved more than half yourself, you’re training your team to be dependent rather than autonomous. Next time someone brings you a problem, pause and ask them for proposed solutions before weighing in. Audit your hiring criteria for trainable vs. essential skills. List the requirements in your most recent job posting and mark each as either “can be trained in 2 weeks” or “fundamental to the role.” Tools, software, specific methodologies—all trainable. Problem-solving, critical thinking, ability to work under ambiguity—essential. If more than 30% of your listed requirements are trainable skills, you’re screening out good problem solvers who could learn your tools in a week. Related Hire for problem-solving ability first View Transcript The following is a computer-generated transcript. Please listen to the audio to confirm accuracy. Chip Griffin: Hello and welcome to another episode of the Agency Leadership Podcast. I’m Chip Griffin. Gini Dietrich: And I’m Gini Dietrich. Chip Griffin: And Gini, I have a problem. Gini Dietrich: You do? You have just one problem? Chip Griffin: Okay. I have many, many, but this isn’t Festivus, so we’re not gonna have an airing of grievances from you. Gini Dietrich: Would you like me to solve your problem for you? Chip Griffin: I, I, if, if you could solve some problems for me, that would be fantastic because then, I might even be inclined to hire you. Not that you would ever wanna work for me. That would just be disastrous. Gini Dietrich: That would not be good though. Yeah. Chip Griffin: We’re gonna talk about problem solving today, though not, not all of my problems. We’re not gonna solve any of them on this episode, I don’t think. Probably create some new ones. Problem solving. I wrote an article recently about the importance of focusing on problem solving as either the primary or one of the primary considerations when you are hiring new employees as an agency. And I, I feel quite strongly over the years that the very best hires or folks who are able to figure out how to, to look at a problem and come up with ideas on how to solve it and ways that are reasonable that they can execute upon to get it solved so that they’re not being dependent upon you or others to do that for them. And in my view, this is something that’s really hard to train for. Mm-hmm. And so therefore, something more important to focus on during the hiring process than things that you can send someone to a course or a training session or give them a book on, and problem solving just is not that for most people. Gini Dietrich: Yeah, and I think, you know, as we’re thinking about what the future holds, especially with artificial intelligence. The things that we can do as human beings that AI cannot do are gonna be more important, right? So when you think about problem solving, that is one thing that it will be challenging for AI to do, but really important for a human to be able to do so. If you can demonstrate that you can solve problems and you know how to hire for people who can solve problems, and clients are hiring you to solve, help solve their problems, then all of a sudden you’ve got AI over here doing, you know, the tactical work, but you’re doing the high level like thinking work that I think is going to help set you apart. Chip Griffin: Yeah. And, and AI certainly makes it a lot easier to problem solve Gini Dietrich: Absolutely. Chip Griffin: Than it has been in the past. Right? Because it can help you with the basics, like research. But the other thing that you have to think about is in order to get the AI to help you, you have to do a good job of defining what the problem even is. Yep. And, and that is a key part of being a problem solver, is being able to look at a situation and say, okay, here’s what the real problem is. Yep. You’re not, you’re not focused on some symptom, but you figured out, you know, this is really where we need to zero in on, and AI can probably help you with that a little bit, but the more clear you can be about saying, Hey, here’s my problem. Here’s where I want to get, you still need to have that mindset for problem solving to get the AI to give you the best results possible without doing a lot of wandering in the wilderness. Gini Dietrich: Yeah. You know, one of the reasons I like, sort of, we’ve talked about this before, but the question process of the new business of the prospecting, you know, process is you ask a bunch of questions. And you do that so that you can educate yourself on the prospect’s organization and their goals and all those things. Of course. But when you dig deep into question after question after question, you start to uncover things that they didn’t tell you at first. Like you’re not gonna say, so what problem or pain do you want me to solve? Because they’re gonna go, I, I need an agency to do this and this. That’s not their problem. That’s not the pain that you’re solving for them. You can, you ask questions so that you dig deeper and eventually you’re going to get to that, but it’s the same thing, you know, with AI, you can’t just say like, I need a social media agency to be able to post five times a week. That’s not the problem. What is the problem? So AI can’t help you solve that. It can give you posts for five days a week, but it’s not gonna help you achieve the goals that you want. So really think about when you’re doing quarterly planning, when you’re talking to clients, when you’re talking to prospects, continuing to ask those questions so that you can figure out what problems or what pains you are trying to solve for them so that you can elevate yourself above what AI is gonna be able to do and even help you do. Chip Griffin: Yeah. And, as you say, you know, clients are coming to us as agencies looking for us to solve their problems, which means that, that we need to have that mindset. And you, as the agency owner, you wanna be able to delegate more off of your plate. And the only way that you can do that is if you surround yourself with problem solvers. Yep. If you surround yourself with the people who know the questions to ask and who can look at it and say, ah, I’ve got an idea for how we can get from here to there. And it keeps you from having to be deeply involved in every single scenario. And that might be as simple as, you know, Hey, this, this report didn’t get done on time. You know, we need to do something quickly. Great, fine. You, you know what the challenge is. If you’re a problem solver, you’ll come up with that. If you don’t, you’re gonna go to the boss and say, oh my God, we didn’t get this report to the client on time. What do we do? You don’t want deal with that? No, no. It’s painful for everybody. Everyone. Yes. So you’ve gotta surround yourself with the people who have that problem solving mindset and, and the instincts to be able to, even when they’re confronted with something that they don’t know, right. ’cause a good problem solver doesn’t need to have all of the expertise in the world. Because they just need to be able to figure out, okay, how do we go about doing this? How do we break this down into its component parts and begin to address it and begin to make progress, and that’s really what the essence of problem solving is. Gini Dietrich: Yeah, it’s sort of like, you know, I’ll say to my team often, I don’t wanna hear problems, I wanna hear solutions. And it’s training them to come with that. Like, and I’m sure you work that way. I’m sure that people listening work that way. And if they’ve had bosses that have said, if you bring me a problem, I want solutions as well. That’s training the problem solving mentality, right? So it’s very much like, okay, I understand that things are not always going to go smoothly. I understand that we’re gonna have some failure, and I’m willing to take those risks, but I need you to come to me with the solutions. I’m not gonna be the one who, who comes up with the solutions. First of all, it’s not scalable, it’s exhausting. Clients will not ever stop trusting, being able to trust. They will never be able to trust anybody else on your team because you’re always the problem solver. So it’s really how do you bring your team along? And I think that’s one of the good things and it’s, you have to stay firm to it. Like, okay, it’s, and because in many cases your instinct is to solve the problem, but instead you have to take a step back and say, how do you think we should solve this? What are some solutions you propose? And really build that capability inside your team’s minds to be able to do that without you having to say, what are the solutions? Chip Griffin: Right. And I think that, that this matters more than almost anything else you can focus on during the hiring process. I mean, obviously you’ve gotta to make sure you got the right, you know, the right feel, the right chemistry and that sort of thing. Sure. Because it is, we’re ultimately humans and we all have to be able to engage well with the people that we’re working with. But, you know, I see so many of these interview processes that fixate on proficiency in various things. Gini Dietrich: Yeah. Like writing tests. And Yeah. Chip Griffin: You know, writing tests. Yep. You know, back when I used to hire a lot of web developers and that sort of thing, you know, there was always a desire to test them on particular programming language just to see if they were proficient in it. You know, people are like, oh my God, you know, do you use Asana or a Clickup, or whatever we use in the, oh, you don’t, you don’t know how to use that? Oh. Oh. I don’t know if we can, ah, I don’t really want to have to teach how to use a different system. I, I’m, I’m gonna discount that. Like, that’s, none of that stuff matters. Right. Those things can all be trained. Gini Dietrich: Yep. Chip Griffin: And frankly, a lot of those things are being replaced by a lot of the other things we’re doing. Problem solving cuts across almost every single, and probably actually every single role that we have in an agency. And frankly, even far beyond an agency, even ones where you don’t necessarily think of it as a problem solving role. I mean, if you think about designers, for example. You sit there and say, well, you know, that’s, that’s really not pro That’s a creative thing. We need to know how creative they are and Sure. I mean, they’ve gotta have some, you know, basic design skills that, that meet the aesthetic that you’re trying to produce for your clients. But ultimately they are actually problem solvers. I’ve never met a designer who felt they were being given enough time for any project. I mean, you could give them a month and they would still be like, ah, you know, I really could use like six weeks to really Gini Dietrich: Yes, Uhhuh Chip Griffin: fine tune my vision. Gini Dietrich: Yep. Chip Griffin: So, so there are already almost always starting from that problem solving standpoint of how do you get this done in the timeframe that I’m being allowed? And the reality is you’re never giving them a month. You’re giving them maybe half a day if they’re lucky. Right. You know, because they’re the last ones. Of the designers, I, I feel bad for all my design friends because they are the last people brought in in most agencies. And they’re brought in, we’ve got all the content ready, we’re getting ready to release this tomorrow. Can you make it look pretty? It’s like it’s three o’clock, you’re putting this out at 9:00 AM tomorrow. Gini Dietrich: Oh, sure. Chip Griffin: Right. I mean, that’s problem solving. You’ve gotta try to figure out how do you, how do you still get a good result? Mm-hmm. Even given all of those constraints. And so you need to think about every role that you’re hiring, problem solving. And so how do you go about doing that? Right? It’s not, you don’t just say, are you a good problem solver? Right. ’cause guess what, nobody’s gonna say no. And if they do great, it’s easy to just get rid of ’em at that point, because they don’t even know how to interview, let alone Gini Dietrich: Yeah. Right. Chip Griffin: How to solve a proper problem. So, you know, it’s sort of like a reference. I think it’s silly to check references because you know what? Nobody gives you a bad reference. Right. I mean, in all the years I’ve been checking references, I’ve gotten maybe one mediocre reference. It wasn’t even a negative, but you know, you kind of read between the lines and you’re like, eh. Yeah. But almost every one of them is positive. That’s the names you get. Nobody’s gonna tell you they’re bad problem solvers. How do you find out if they are or not? You’ve gotta try to either give them scenarios. And I’m a little, I don’t, I don’t love scenarios because we all have a tendency to come up with fairly unrealistic scenarios. Gini Dietrich: Fair. Chip Griffin: But I, I think you can say to somebody, look, you know, tell me about a time where you had a particular challenge and think about it in terms of the role. For that designer, ask. So, you know, you, you get presented to it at, the rough draft at 3:00 PM and you’re, you have to turn it into a pretty presentation by 9:00 AM the next morning. How do you begin to go about that process? Walk me through what you’ve done before when you had that same scenario confronting you. Because you can, you can learn a lot just from listening to them, and the actual answers don’t matter all that much. Don’t fixate on, well, I would’ve done this instead of that. It’s more making sure that they can think through the method and approach. Gini Dietrich: Yep. Chip Griffin: That’s what signals to you that they’re able to break down the challenge into its component parts to make progress. Gini Dietrich: Yeah, I really like the, I’m with you on the scenario based interviewing, but I really like the, all right, like these are things that have happened inside our organization because of like something that just happened the other day. Tell me about a time that you got something at four o’clock on Friday afternoon, you had tickets to the Cubs game, and you knew it was due on Monday morning. Like, what do you do? Chip Griffin: Well, they had tickets to a rare night game. Huh? Gini Dietrich: Actually, we have the Cubs play a lot of night games actually. Chip Griffin: Yeah, I know. I’m, I’m just so old, I, I remember when they didn’t play them at all, so. Gini Dietrich: Yeah. Yeah. But like, what do you do about that? How do you solve that problem. And some people will say, I work all weekend, which I don’t love, but some people will say, I will give up the Cubs tickets Also, don’t love that. But are there other ways, other creative ways that you might get that work done so that you’re not working all weekend and you don’t have to give up your Cubs tickets? So those are the kinds of things that I like to listen for. You know, they, and they’ll give you answers they think you want to hear, which are, I won’t go to the game or I’ll work all weekend. Those are not the answers I wanna hear. I wanna hear like, creative, interesting. Maybe I can’t get it done before I go to the game, but I’m gonna, you know, buckle down and I’m gonna ask for help or, you know, those kinds of things are the things that I’m looking for. Chip Griffin: Yeah. And, even if they do say, well, look, I’m gonna, you know, skip this or that because, you know, work would be my priority or whatever. I mean, that it, it’s still okay, that’s fine. But this isn’t, this is this. If your idea of solving a problem is just throwing more hours at it, that doesn’t work for me. Gini Dietrich: Right. That doesn’t work. Right. Chip Griffin: So, even if you do end up spending that time, tell me about, you know, what are the actual steps that you’re taking? Because you may be willing to pull an all-nighter, but what about the rest of the team? Right. And, you know, how do you go about getting the information that you need and getting it approved in the right way? And, you know, how do you think about, you know, frankly, which, which corners are okay to cut and which ones aren’t? You know, when you have to deal with a compressed timeframe, you have to be rational and say, okay. It’s not gonna be as perfect as I would like it to be. And, to continue on with the design example, are you okay with that? Gini Dietrich: Yeah, Chip Griffin: and I’ve, I’ve worked with some designers who just, you know, they’re like, I just will not give you something that doesn’t meet my standard. I appreciate that you have a high standard, I also have a deadline. Yep. So work with me on this and figure out what we can get done on this time. Yep. And that’s the, that’s the kind of answer that I’m looking for from them. If it’s, you know, someone who’s, you know, pitching a new outlet or industry that they’re not familiar with, what are the steps that you go through? How do you begin to think about it? And I, again, it’s not so much about the specifics of it, but just making sure that you’re seeing the logic at play. Yep. In a way that you’re like, yeah, okay, I can, I can see why you made that choice. But definitely don’t fixate Well, I don’t know why you would look at that. I would look at this instead. I mean, because you haven’t had a chance to imbue any of your own thinking to them to bring your own agency training. But if they can think about how they make those individual steps possible, that’s really what you need to know. Gini Dietrich: Yeah. You know, one of the things that, I’m sure I’ve told this story before, but when we were looking at schools for, at the time, our 4-year-old to go to, to kindergarten, and then on through school and we were interviewing schools and we were trying, Chicago’s a weird way of doing schools, but, so we were looking at, we were interviewing schools. And every single one of them, so this is eight years ago, said, we focus our curriculum on the humanities and social and emotional intelligence and learning because we don’t know what jobs are going to be available for these kids because of AI and because of how fast technology is changing. So we know that if we put kids out into the world, out into the community, that can solve problems that have high emotional intelligence, that can think logically, that have common sense, that they will be good stewards and can do the jobs that are available. Versus building kids that can do programming or math or science or STEM or whatever happens to be, right. We’re going to put good stewards of the community out there, and I think about that a lot. And I just read an article this morning that talks about how Anthropic is hiring people with humanities degrees because they have high emotional intelligence. They can think through things, they can read something and absorb it versus just skimming it. All of the things that, those that, that kind of degree teaches you are the things that companies are gonna be looking for. And it’s the same thing I think for agency owners is that’s exactly it is how do you find the people that can problem solve, that can take in information and use that to make decisions that, you know, are used to high emotional intelligence kinds of things. Versus I know how to logically solve a math problem. or I know how to program or I know how to write a news release. Because AI can do all of those things. So that’s what we really should be looking for and interviewing for is those problem solving skills. Chip Griffin: Yeah. And, and you’ll find if, if you get good problem solvers, they’ll be confronted with things that, that you never even dreamed up. So you wouldn’t think to ask in an interview. Right. To figure out if they could do it. But they’re good problem solvers. Gini Dietrich: Yep. Chip Griffin: They can figure out how to get there. Absolutely. If they’re not good problem solvers, they’re just gonna sit there and stare at it, or they’re gonna make the radically wrong decision just because it’s the easy way out. I think of a plumber that I had in my house 20 years ago, and we were having an issue with water pressure. And so he came in and he’s looking and we, you know, we’re on a well system here ’cause I’m living rural and they’re trying to figure out, you know, all the tanks and this and that. And he’s like, well, the solution is you need to put in a larger tank. I’m like, really? That’s, that’s gonna solve my water pressure problem. He said, yeah, that’s, that’s definitely gonna solve it. I’m like, and so I just, I, it didn’t feel right to me. So I sat with him. I said, okay, well walk me through, you know. Yeah. What we’re doing here and, and so I, I had ’em tell me what all the pipes were and what they were doing, and we get to one and it turns out there’s one that was a filter. And I said, I said, well, what if we just tried changing out that filter and just make sure that it’s not clogged up? Yeah. We could try that. I guess. I mean, okay. Turned out it was a $10 filter that we needed to replace instead of, instead of like a $1500 water tank instead. Gini Dietrich: Yeah, I was gonna say multi-thousand water. Chip Griffin: But he, you know, he was not of the mindset, you know, go through and diagnose it step by step and follow the path of the water and see where it might be being obstructed so that it’s not getting, because I mean the, the current water tank was showing that it had the right pressure. So it didn’t really make sense to me that if the tank was showing it had the right pressure, that a larger tank was gonna suddenly change, that it would still be at the same pressure setting, Gini Dietrich: right? Chip Griffin: So somewhere between the tank and where it came out of the faucet, it was where it was falling apart. And so you’ve gotta, you’ve gotta try to hire people that can think that way because it’ll keep things off of your plate. And we always talk here about the importance of not bogging yourself down. And so the other thing you need to keep in mind is if you’re gonna be hiring for problem solving ability, you actually need to let your team do the problem solving. Gini Dietrich: Yes. Chip Griffin: You have to. You have to accept that they may not solve it in exactly the same way that you do, but because you’ve hired a team of problem solvers, they will get it done. Gini Dietrich: Yes. Chip Griffin: If that happens, you don’t have a lot sitting on your plate, which is better for you. And frankly, it’s better for the employee because they don’t feel like you’re breathing down their shoulder and micromanaging them. So yes, problem solvers solve other problems other than the ones that they’re setting out to solve. Gini Dietrich: Yes, they do. Yes, they do. I think the article that you wrote was really good. It walks through some of these, some of these ideas. It also gives some other ideas on how to interview for problem solving, so I’m sure Jen will link to it. But it was a very good thought provoking article, so thank you. Chip Griffin: I am always grateful to be able to produce thought provoking pieces, and it’s a particular challenge. I’m always looking to try to figure out how I can make you think too, so. Because you’ve got probably all the same answers that I do on most things. So Gini Dietrich: sometimes we disagree on things, but yeah, Chip Griffin: occasionally. Occasionally we haven’t done it that much. But, but maybe, maybe on the next episode, Gini Dietrich: maybe. Chip Griffin: Who knows? We might Gini Dietrich: never know. Chip Griffin: Just teasing that next episode. ’cause the next one’s a milestone. Gini Dietrich: It is a milestone Chip Griffin: at least. At least if, if Jen’s math is correct. The next episode is episode 300, so, Gini Dietrich: woo hoo. Chip Griffin: Stay tuned for that one. Gini Dietrich: It’ll be a special one. Special one. Chip Griffin: As they like to say in YouTube land. Make sure you click the subscribe button. Gini Dietrich: So you don’t miss an episode. Chip Griffin: Nope. You would never wanna miss an episode of this. Gini Dietrich: Never. Mm-hmm. Chip Griffin: It’s the most fascinating podcast on the interwebs. Gini Dietrich: It is. Chip Griffin: So with that, that will draw that to an end this episode of the most amazing podcast ever. I’m Chip Griffin. Gini Dietrich: I’m Gini Dietrich. Chip Griffin: And it depends except about the quality of this podcast. Gini Dietrich: Right.

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Director of the National Counterterrorism Center Joe Kent has become the first high-profile member of the Admin to quit over Iran. Was it wise for him to make a big public show of it, and will anyone else follow? The team digests and reads the diverse reaction of show listeners. Plus, Wynton Hall explains why the most important battle in America right now isn't about the border or Iran, but about AI. Because AI might be able to stop wokeness in its tracks — or it could make it a permanent part of life, forever. Download Upward. The dating app where faith and values meet.

This and all episodes at: https://aiandyou.net/ . Because AI touches our lives down to our core where our emotions and subconscious reside, we need to be touched with the important lessons that our fellow humans wish to communicate about AI through vehicles like art, poetry, and, in the case of today's guest, fiction. Mark Peres is a professor, author, and civic innovator with decades of experience teaching leadership and ethics at Johnson & Wales University. He's just published The Accord, a powerful speculative novel exploring the relationship between a philosopher and a sentient general AI, Lyla. As much as that sounds like a description of any number of sensationalist and shallow works that you and I could name, this is not in that category. I found his book remarkable for the level of maturity it granted the reader and the no-holds-barred courage with which it tackled issues of the identity of a future artificial general intelligence - which may not be so far in the future any more. We talk about why the AI character of Lyla has a true sense of identity and mortality, whether control over advanced AI is possible, principles for human–AI coexistence, what responsible use, transparency, and “cognitive autonomy” look like for today's university students, what it means to “humanize” AI before trying to regulate it, and how to take responsibility for our future with AI. All this plus our usual look at today's AI headlines! Transcript and URLs referenced at HumanCusp Blog.        

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Infrastructure was passé…uncool. Difficult to get dollars from Private Equity and Growth funds, and almost impossible to get a VC fund interested. Now?! Now, it's cool. Infrastructure seems to be having a Renaissance, a full on Rebirth, not just fueled by commercial interests (e.g. advent of AI), but also by industrial policy and geopolitical considerations. In this episode of Tech Deciphered, we explore what's cool in the infrastructure spaces, including mega trends in semiconductors, energy, networking & connectivity, manufacturing Navigation: Intro We're back to building things Why now: the 5 forces behind the renaissance Semiconductors: compute is the new oil Networking & connectivity: digital highways get rebuilt Energy: rebuilding the power stack (not just renewables) Manufacturing: the return of “atoms + bits” Wrap: what it means for startups, incumbents, and investors Conclusion Our co-hosts: Bertrand Schmitt, Entrepreneur in Residence at Red River West, co-founder of App Annie / Data.ai, business angel, advisor to startups and VC funds, @bschmitt Nuno Goncalves Pedro, Investor, Managing Partner, Founder at Chamaeleon, @ngpedro Our show: Tech DECIPHERED brings you the Entrepreneur and Investor views on Big Tech, VC and Start-up news, opinion pieces and research. We decipher their meaning, and add inside knowledge and context. Being nerds, we also discuss the latest gadgets and pop culture news Subscribe To Our Podcast Nuno Gonçalves Pedro Introduction Welcome to episode 73 of Tech Deciphered, Infrastructure, the Rebirth or Renaissance. Infrastructure was passé, it wasn’t cool, but all of a sudden now everyone’s talking about network, talking about compute and semiconductors, talking about logistics, talking about energy. What gives? What’s happened? It was impossible in the past to get any funds, venture capital, even, to be honest, some private equity funds or growth funds interested in some of these areas, but now all of a sudden everyone thinks it’s cool. The infrastructure seems to be having a renaissance, a full-on rebirth. In this episode, we will explore in which cool ways the infrastructure spaces are moving and what’s leading to it. We will deep dive into the forces that are leading us to this. We will deep dive into semiconductors, networking and connectivity, energy, manufacturing, and then we’ll wrap up. Bertrand, so infrastructure is cool now. Bertrand Schmitt We're back to building things Yes. I thought software was going to eat the world. I cannot believe it was then, maybe even 15 years ago, from Andreessen, that quote about software eating the world. I guess it’s an eternal balance. Sometimes you go ahead of yourself, you build a lot of software stack, and at some point, you need the hardware to run this software stack, and there is only so much the bits can do in a world of atoms. Nuno Gonçalves Pedro Obviously, we’ve gone through some of this before. I think what we’re going through right now is AI is eating the world, and because AI is eating the world, it’s driving a lot of this infrastructure building that we need. We don’t have enough energy to be consumed by all these big data centers and hyperscalers. We need to be innovative around network as well because of the consumption in terms of network bandwidth that is linked to that consumption as well. In some ways, it’s not software eating the world, AI is eating the world. Because AI is eating the world, we need to rethink everything around infrastructure and infrastructure becoming cool again. Bertrand Schmitt There is something deeper in this. It’s that the past 10, even 15 years were all about SaaS before AI. SaaS, interestingly enough, was very energy-efficient. When I say SaaS, I mean cloud computing at large. What I mean by energy-efficient is that actually cloud computing help make energy use more efficient because instead of companies having their own separate data centers in many locations, sometimes poorly run from an industrial perspective, replace their own privately run data center with data center run by the super scalers, the hyperscalers of the world. These data centers were run much better in terms of how you manage the coolings, the energy efficiency, the rack density, all of this stuff. Actually, the cloud revolution didn’t increase the use of electricity. The cloud revolution was actually a replacement from your private data center to the hyperscaler data center, which was energy efficient. That’s why we didn’t, even if we are always talking about that growth of cloud computing, we were never feeling the pinch in term of electricity. As you say, we say it all changed because with AI, it was not a simple “Replacement” of locally run infrastructure to a hyperscaler run infrastructure. It was truly adding on top of an existing infrastructure, a new computing infrastructure in a way out of nowhere. Not just any computing infrastructure, an energy infrastructure that was really, really voracious in term of energy use. Nuno Gonçalves Pedro There was one other effect. Obviously, we’ve discussed before, we are in a bubble. We won’t go too much into that today. But the previous big bubble in tech, which is in the late ’90s, there was a lot of infrastructure built. We thought the internet was going to take over back then. It didn’t take over immediately, but there was a lot of network connectivity, bandwidth built back in the day. Companies imploded because of that as well, or had to restructure and go in their chapter 11. A lot of the big telco companies had their own issues back then, etc., but a lot of infrastructure was built back then for this advent of the internet, which would then take a long time to come. In some ways, to your point, there was a lot of latent supply that was built that was around that for a while wasn’t used, but then it was. Now it’s been used, and now we need new stuff. That’s why I feel now we’re having the new moment of infrastructure, new moment of moving forward, aligned a little bit with what you just said around cloud computing and the advent of SaaS, but also around the fact that we had a lot of buildup back in the late ’90s, early ’90s, which we’re now still reaping the benefits on in today’s world. Bertrand Schmitt Yeah, that’s actually a great point because what was built in the late ’90s, there was a lot of fibre that was built. Laying out the fibre either across countries, inside countries. This fibre, interestingly enough, you could just change the computing on both sides of the fibre, the routing, the modems, and upgrade the capacity of the fibre. But the fibre was the same in between. The big investment, CapEx investment, was really lying down that fibre, but then you could really upgrade easily. Even if both ends of the fibre were either using very old infrastructure from the ’90s or were actually dark and not being put to use, step by step, it was being put to use, equipment was replaced, and step by step, you could keep using more and more of this fibre. It was a very interesting development, as you say, because it could be expanded over the years, where if we talk about GPUs, use for AI, GPUs, the interesting part is actually it’s totally the opposite. After a few years, it’s useless. Some like Google, will argue that they can depreciate over 5, 6 years, even some GPUs. But at the end of the day, the difference in perf and energy efficiency of the GPUs means that if you are energy constrained, you just want to replace the old one even as young as three-year-old. You have to look at Nvidia increasing spec, generation after generation. It’s pretty insane. It’s usually at least 3X year over year in term of performance. Nuno Gonçalves Pedro At this moment in time, it’s very clear that it’s happening. Why now: the 5 forces behind the renaissance Maybe let’s deep dive into why it’s happening now. What are the key forces around this? We’ve identified, I think, five forces that are particularly vital that lead to the world we’re in right now. One we’ve already talked about, which is AI, the demand shock and everything that’s happened because of AI. Data centers drive power demand, drive grid upgrades, drive innovative ways of getting energy, drive chips, drive networking, drive cooling, drive manufacturing, drive all the things that we’re going to talk in just a bit. One second element that we could probably highlight in terms of the forces that are behind this is obviously where we are in terms of cost curves around technology. Obviously, a lot of things are becoming much cheaper. The simulation of physical behaviours has become a lot more cheap, which in itself, this becomes almost a vicious cycle in of itself, then drives the adoption of more and more AI and stuff. But anyway, the simulation is becoming more and more accessible, so you can do a lot of simulation with digital twins and other things off the real world before you go into the real world. Robotics itself is becoming, obviously, cheaper. Hardware, a lot of the hardware is becoming cheaper. Computer has become cheaper as well. Obviously, there’s a lot of cost curves that have aligned that, and that’s maybe the second force that I would highlight. Obviously, funds are catching up. We’ll leave that a little bit to the end. We’ll do a wrap-up and talk a little bit about the implications to investors. But there’s a lot of capital out there, some capital related to industrial policy, other capital related to private initiative, private equity, growth funds, even venture capital, to be honest, and a few other elements on that. That would be a third force that I would highlight. Bertrand Schmitt Yes. Interestingly enough, in terms of capital use, and we’ll talk more about this, but some firms, if we are talking about energy investment, it was very difficult to invest if you are not investing in green energy. Now I think more and more firms and banks are willing to invest or support different type of energy infrastructure, not just, “Green energy.” That’s an interesting development because at some point it became near impossible to invest more in gas development, in oil development in the US or in most Western countries. At least in the US, this is dramatically changing the framework. Nuno Gonçalves Pedro Maybe to add the two last forces that I think we see behind the renaissance of what’s happening in infrastructure. They go hand in hand. One is the geopolitics of the world right now. Obviously, the world was global flat, and now it’s becoming increasingly siloed, so people are playing it to their own interests. There’s a lot of replication of infrastructure as well because people want to be autonomous, and they want to drive their own ability to serve end consumers, businesses, etc., in terms of data centers and everything else. That ability has led to things like, for example, chips shortage. The fact that there are semiconductors, there are shortages across the board, like memory shortages, where everything is packed up until 2027 of 2028. A lot of the memory that was being produced is already spoken for, which is shocking. There’s obviously generation of supply chain fragilities, obviously, some of it because of policies, for example, in the US with tariffs, etc, security of energy, etc. Then the last force directly linked to the geopolitics is the opposite of it, which is the policy as an accelerant, so to speak, as something that is accelerating development, where because of those silos, individual countries, as part their industrial policy, then want to put capital behind their local ecosystems, their local companies, so that their local companies and their local systems are for sure the winners, or at least, at the very least, serve their own local markets. I think that’s true of a lot of the things we’re seeing, for example, in the US with the Chips Act, for semiconductors, with IGA, IRA, and other elements of what we’ve seen in terms of practices, policies that have been implemented even in Europe, China, and other parts of the world. Bertrand Schmitt Talking about chips shortages, it’s pretty insane what has been happening with memory. Just the past few weeks, I have seen a close to 3X increase in price in memory prices in a matter of weeks. Apparently, it started with a huge order from OpenAI. Apparently, they have tried to corner the memory market. Interestingly enough, it has flat-footed the entire industry, and that includes Google, that includes Microsoft. There are rumours of their teams now having moved to South Korea, so they are closer to the action in terms of memory factories and memory decision-making. There are rumours of execs who got fired because they didn’t prepare for this type of eventuality or didn’t lock in some of the supply chain because that memory was initially for AI, but obviously, it impacts everything because factories making memories, you have to plan years in advance to build memories. You cannot open new lines of manufacturing like this. All factories that are going to open, we know when they are going to open because they’ve been built up for years. There is no extra capacity suddenly. At the very best, you can change a bit your line of production from one type of memory to another type. But that’s probably about it. Nuno Gonçalves Pedro Just to be clear, all these transformations we’re seeing isn’t to say just hardware is back, right? It’s not just hardware. There’s physicality. The buildings are coming back, right? It’s full stack. Software is here. That’s why everything is happening. Policy is here. Finance is here. It’s a little bit like the name of the movie, right? Everything everywhere all at once. Everything’s happening. It was in some ways driven by the upper stacks, by the app layers, by the platform layers. But now we need new infrastructure. We need more infrastructure. We need it very, very quickly. We need it today. We’re already lacking in it. Semiconductors: compute is the new oil Maybe that’s a good segue into the first piece of the whole infrastructure thing that’s driving now the most valuable company in the world, NVIDIA, which is semiconductors. Semiconductors are driving compute. Semis are the foundation of infrastructure as a compute. Everyone needs it for every thing, for every activity, not just for compute, but even for sensors, for actuators, everything else. That’s the beginning of it all. Semiconductor is one of the key pieces around the infrastructure stack that’s being built at scale at this moment in time. Bertrand Schmitt Yes. What’s interesting is that if we look at the market gap of Semis versus software as a service, cloud companies, there has been a widening gap the past year. I forgot the exact numbers, but we were talking about plus 20, 25% for Semis in term of market gap and minus 5, minus 10 for SaaS companies. That’s another trend that’s happening. Why is this happening? One, because semiconductors are core to the AI build-up, you cannot go around without them. But two, it’s also raising a lot of questions about the durability of the SaaS, a software-as-a-service business model. Because if suddenly we have better AI, and that’s all everyone is talking about to justify the investment in AI, that it keeps getting better, and it keeps improving, and it’s going to replace your engineers, your software engineers. Then maybe all of this moat that software companies built up over the years or decades, sometimes, might unravel under the pressure of newly coded, newly built, cheaper alternatives built from the ground up with AI support. It’s not just that, yes, semiconductors are doing great. It’s also as a result of that AI underlying trend that software is doing worse right now. Nuno Gonçalves Pedro At the end of the day, this foundational piece of infrastructure, semiconductor, is obviously getting manifest to many things, fabrication, manufacturing, packaging, materials, equipment. Everything’s being driven, ASML, etc. There are all these different players around the world that are having skyrocket valuations now, it’s because they’re all part of the value chain. Just to be very, very clear, there’s two elements of this that I think are very important for us to remember at this point in time. One, it’s the entire value chains are being shifted. It’s not just the chips that basically lead to computing in the strict sense of it. It’s like chips, for example, that drive, for example, network switching. We’re going to talk about networking a bit, but you need chips to drive better network switching. That’s getting revolutionised as well. For example, we have an investment in that space, a company called the eridu.ai, and they’re revolutionising one of the pieces around that stack. Second part of the puzzle, so obviously, besides the holistic view of the world that’s changing in terms of value change, the second piece of the puzzle is, as we discussed before, there’s industrial policy. We already mentioned the CHIPS Act, which is something, for example, that has been done in the US, which I think is 52 billion in incentives across a variety of things, grants, loans, and other mechanisms to incentivise players to scale capacity quick and to scale capacity locally in the US. One of the effects of that now is obviously we had the TSMC, US expansion with a factory here in the US. We have other levels of expansion going on with Intel, Samsung, and others that are happening as we speak. Again, it’s this two by two. It’s market forces that drive the need for fundamental shifts in the value chain. On the other industrial policy and actual money put forward by states, by governments, by entities that want to revolutionise their own local markets. Bertrand Schmitt Yes. When you talk about networking, it makes me think about what NVIDIA did more than six years ago when they acquired Mellanox. At the time, it was largest acquisition for NVIDIA in 2019, and it was networking for the data center. Not networking across data center, but inside the data center, and basically making sure that your GPUs, the different computers, can talk as fast as possible between each of them. I think that’s one piece of the puzzle that a lot of companies are missing, by the way, about NVIDIA is that they are truly providing full systems. They are not just providing a GPU. Some of their competitors are just providing GPUs. But NVIDIA can provide you the full rack. Now, they move to liquid-cool computing as well. They design their systems with liquid cooling in mind. They have a very different approach in the industry. It’s a systematic system-level approach to how do you optimize your data center. Quite frankly, that’s a bit hard to beat. Nuno Gonçalves Pedro For those listening, you’d be like, this is all very different. Semiconductors, networking, energy, manufacturing, this is all different. Then all of a sudden, as Bertrand is saying, well, there are some players that are acting across the stack. Then you see in the same sentence, you’re talking about nuclear power in Microsoft or nuclear power in Google, and you’re like, what happened? Why are these guys in the same sentence? It’s like they’re tech companies. Why are they talking about energy? It’s the nature of that. These ecosystems need to go hand in hand. The value chains are very deep. For you to actually reap the benefits of more and more, for example, semiconductor availability, you have to have better and better networking connectivity, and you have to have more and more energy at lower and lower costs, and all of that. All these things are intrinsically linked. That’s why you see all these big tech companies working across stack, NVIDIA being a great example of that in trying to create truly a systems approach to the world, as Bertrand was mentioning. Networking & connectivity: digital highways get rebuilt On the networking and connectivity side, as we said, we had a lot of fibre that was put down, etc, but there’s still more build-out needs to be done. 5G in terms of its densification is still happening. We’re now starting to talk, obviously, about 6G. I’m not sure most telcos are very happy about that because they just have been doing all this CapEx and all this deployment into 5G, and now people already started talking about 6G and what’s next. Obviously, data center interconnect is quite important, and all the hubbing that needs to happen around data centers is very, very important. We are seeing a lot movements around connectivity that are particularly important. Network gear and the emergence of players like Broadcom in terms of the semiconductor side of the fence, obviously, Cisco, Juniper, Arista, and others that are very much present in this space. As I said, we made an investment on the semiconductor side of networking as well, realizing that there’s still a lot of bottlenecks happening there. But obviously, the networking and connectivity stack still needs to be built at all levels within the data centers, outside of the data centers in terms of last mile, across the board in terms of fibre. We’re seeing a lot of movements still around the space. It’s what connects everything. At the end of the day, if there’s too much latency in these systems, if the bandwidths are not high enough, then we’re going to have huge bottlenecks that are going to be put at the table by a networking providers. Obviously, that doesn’t help anyone. If there’s a button like anywhere, it doesn’t work. All of this doesn’t work. Bertrand Schmitt Yes. Interestingly enough, I know we said for this episode, we not talk too much about space, but when you talk about 6G, it make me think about, of course, Starlink. That’s really your last mile delivery that’s being built as well. It’s a massive investment. We’re talking about thousands of satellites that are interconnected between each other through laser system. This is changing dramatically how companies can operate, how individuals can operate. For companies, you can have great connectivity from anywhere in the world. For military, it’s the same. For individuals, suddenly, you won’t have dead space, wide zones. This is also a part of changing how we could do things. It’s quite important even in the development of AI because, yes, you can have AI at the edge, but that interconnect to the rest of the system is quite critical. Having that availability of a network link, high-quality network link from anywhere is a great combo. Nuno Gonçalves Pedro Then you start seeing regions of the world that want to differentiate to attract digital nomads by saying, “We have submarine cables that come and hub through us, and therefore, our connectivity is amazing.” I was just in Madeira, and they were talking about that in Portugal. One of the islands of Portugal. We have some Marine cables. You have great connectivity. We’re getting into that discussion where people are like, I don’t care. I mean, I don’t know. I assume I have decent connectivity. People actually care about decent connectivity. This discussion is not just happening at corporate level, at enterprise level? Etc. Even consumers, even people that want to work remotely or be based somewhere else in the world. It’s like, This is important Where is there a great connectivity for me so that I can have access to the services I need? Etc. Everyone becomes aware of everything. We had a cloud flare mishap more recently that the CEO had to jump online and explain deeply, technically and deeply, what happened. Because we’re in their heads. If Cloudflare goes down, there’s a lot of websites that don’t work. All of this, I think, is now becoming du jour rather than just an afterthought. Maybe we’ll think about that in the future. Bertrand Schmitt Totally. I think your life is being changed for network connectivity, so life of individuals, companies. I mean, everything. Look at airlines and ships and cruise ships. Now is the advent of satellite connectivity. It’s dramatically changing our experience. Nuno Gonçalves Pedro Indeed. Energy: rebuilding the power stack (not just renewables) Moving maybe to energy. We’ve talked about energy quite a bit in the past. Maybe we start with the one that we didn’t talk as much, although we did mention it, which was, let’s call it the fossil infrastructure, what’s happening around there. Everyone was saying, it’s all going to be renewables and green. We’ve had a shift of power, geopolitics. Honestly, I the writing was on the wall that we needed a lot more energy creation. It wasn’t either or. We needed other sources to be as efficient as possible. Obviously, we see a lot of work happening around there that many would have thought, Well, all this infrastructure doesn’t matter anymore. Now we’re seeing LNG terminals, pipelines, petrochemical capacity being pushed up, a lot of stuff happening around markets in terms of export, and not only around export, but also around overall distribution and increases and improvements so that there’s less leakage, distribution of energy, etc. In some ways, people say, it’s controversial, but it’s like we don’t have enough energy to spare. We’re already behind, so we need as much as we can. We need to figure out the way to really extract as much as we can from even natural resources, which In many people’s mind, it’s almost like blasphemous to talk about, but it is where we are. Obviously, there’s a lot of renaissance also happening on the fossil infrastructure basis, so to speak. Bertrand Schmitt Personally, I’m ecstatic that there is a renaissance going regarding what is called fossil infrastructure. Oil and gas, it’s critical to humanity well-being. You never had growth of countries without energy growth and nothing else can come close. Nuclear could come close, but it takes decades to deploy. I think it’s great. It’s great for developed economies so that they do better, they can expand faster. It’s great for third-world countries who have no realistic other choice. I really don’t know what happened the past 10, 15 years and why this was suddenly blasphemous. But I’m glad that, strangely, thanks to AI, we are back to a more rational mindset about energy and making sure we get efficient energy where we can. Obviously, nuclear is getting a second act. Nuno Gonçalves Pedro I know you would be. We’ve been talking about for a long time, and you’ve been talking about it in particular for a very long time. Bertrand Schmitt Yes, definitely. It’s been one area of interest of mine for 25 years. I don’t know. I’ve been shocked about what happened in Europe, that willingness destruction of energy infrastructure, especially in Germany. Just a few months ago, they keep destroying on live TV some nuclear station in perfect working condition and replacing them with coal. I’m not sure there is a better definition of insanity at this stage. It looks like it’s only the Germans going that hardcore for some reason, but at least the French have stopped their program of decommissioning. America, it seems to be doing the same, so it’s great. On top of it, there are new generations that could be put to use. The Chinese are building up a very large nuclear reactor program, more than 100 reactors in construction for the next 10 years. I think everybody has to catch up because at some point, this is the most efficient energy solution. Especially if you don’t build crazy constraints around the construction of these nuclear reactors. If we are rational about permits, about energy, about safety, there are great things we could be doing with nuclear. That might be one of the only solution if we want to be competitive, because when energy prices go down like crazy, like in China, they will do once they have reach delivery of their significant build-up of nuclear reactors, we better be ready to have similar options from a cost perspective. Nuno Gonçalves Pedro From the outside, at the very least, nuclear seems to be probably in the energy one of the areas that’s more being innovated at this moment in time. You have startups in the space, you have a lot really money going into it, not just your classic industrial development. That’s very exciting. Moving maybe to the carbonization and what’s happening. The CCUS, and for those who don’t know what it is, carbon capture, utilization, and storage. There’s a lot of stuff happening around that space. That’s the area that deals with the ability to capture CO₂ emissions from industrial sources and/or the atmosphere and preventing their release. There’s a lot of things happening in that space. There’s also a lot of things happening around hydrogen and geothermal and really creating the ability to storage or to store, rather, energy that then can be put back into the grids at the right time. There’s a lot of interesting pieces happening around this. There’s some startup movement in the space. It’s been a long time coming, the reuse of a lot of these industrial sources. Not sure it’s as much on the news as nuclear, and oil and gas, but certainly there’s a lot of exciting things happening there. Bertrand Schmitt I’m a bit more dubious here, but I think geothermal makes sense if it’s available at reasonable price. I don’t think hydrogen technology has proven its value. Concerning carbon capture, I’m not sure how much it’s really going to provide in terms of energy needs, but why not? Nuno Gonçalves Pedro Fuels niche, again, from the outside, we’re not energy experts, but certainly, there are movements in the space. We’ll see what’s happening. One area where there’s definitely a lot of movement is this notion of grid and storage. On the one hand, that transmission needs to be built out. It needs to be better. We’ve had issues of blackouts in the US. We’ve had issues of blackouts all around the world, almost. Portugal as well, for a significant part of the time. The ability to work around transmission lines, transformers, substations, the modernization of some of this infrastructure, and the move forward of it is pretty critical. But at the other end, there’s the edge. Then, on the edge, you have the ability to store. We should have, better mechanisms to store energy that are less leaky in terms of energy storage. Obviously, there’s a lot of movement around that. Some of it driven just by commercial stuff, like Tesla a lot with their storage stuff, etc. Some of it really driven at scale by energy players that have the interest that, for example, some of the storage starts happening closer to the consumption as well. But there’s a lot of exciting things happening in that space, and that is a transformative space. In some ways, the bottleneck of energy is also around transmission and then ultimately the access to energy by homes, by businesses, by industries, etc. Bertrand Schmitt I would say some of the blackout are truly man-made. If I pick on California, for instance. That’s the logical conclusion of the regulatory system in place in California. On one side, you limit price that energy supplier can sell. The utility company can sell, too. On the other side, you force them to decommission the most energy-efficient and least expensive energy source. That means you cap the revenues, you make the cost increase. What is the result? The result is you cannot invest anymore to support a grid and to support transmission. That’s 100% obvious. That’s what happened, at least in many places. The solution is stop crazy regulations that makes no economic sense whatsoever. Then, strangely enough, you can invest again in transmission, in maintenance, and all I love this stuff. Maybe another piece, if we pick in California, if you authorize building construction in areas where fires are easy, that’s also a very costly to support from utility perspective, because then you are creating more risk. You are forced buy the state to connect these new constructions to the grid. You have more maintenance. If it fails, you can create fire. If you create fire, you have to pay billions of fees. I just want to highlight that some of this is not a technological issue, is not per se an investment issue, but it’s simply the result of very bad regulations. I hope that some will learn, and some change will be made so that utilities can do their job better. Nuno Gonçalves Pedro Then last, but not the least, on the energy side, energy is becoming more and more digitally defined in some ways. It’s like the analogy to networks that they’ve become more, and more software defined, where you have, at the edge is things like smart meters. There’s a lot of things you can do around the key elements of the business model, like dynamic pricing and other elements. Demand response, one of the areas that I invested in, I invest in a company called Omconnect that’s now merged with what used to be Google Nest. Where to deploy that ability to do demand response and also pass it to consumers so that consumers can reduce their consumption at times where is the least price effective or the less green or the less good for the energy companies to produce energy. We have other things that are happening, which are interesting. Obviously, we have a lot more electric vehicles in cars, etc. These are also elements of storage. They don’t look like elements of storage, but the car has electricity in it once you charge it. Once it’s charged, what do you do with it? Could you do something else? Like the whole reverse charging piece that we also see now today in mobile devices and other edge devices, so to speak. That also changes the architecture of what we’re seeing around the space. With AI, there’s a lot of elements that change around the value chain. The ability to do forecasting, the ability to have, for example, virtual power plans because of just designated storage out there, etc. Interesting times happening. Not sure all utilities around the world, all energy providers around the world are innovating at the same pace and in the same way. But certainly just looking at the industry and talking to a lot of players that are CEOs of some of these companies. That are leading innovation for some of these companies, there’s definitely a lot more happening now in the last few years than maybe over the last few decades. Very exciting times. Bertrand Schmitt I think there are two interesting points in what you say. Talking about EVs, for instance, a Cybertruck is able to send electricity back to your home if your home is able to receive electricity from that source. Usually, you have some changes to make to the meter system, to your panel. That’s one great way to potentially use your car battery. Another piece of the puzzle is that, strangely enough, most strangely enough, there has been a big push to EV, but at the same time, there has not been a push to provide more electricity. But if you replace cars that use gasoline by electric vehicles that use electricity, you need to deliver more electricity. It doesn’t require a PhD to get that. But, strangely enough, nothing was done. Nuno Gonçalves Pedro Apparently, it does. Bertrand Schmitt I remember that study in France where they say that, if people were all to switch to EV, we will need 10 more nuclear reactors just on the way from Paris to Nice to the Côte d’Azur, the French Rivière, in order to provide electricity to the cars going there during the summer vacation. But I mean, guess what? No nuclear plant is being built along the way. Good luck charging your vehicles. I think that’s another limit that has been happening to the grid is more electric vehicles that require charging when the related infrastructure has not been upgraded to support more. Actually, it has quite the opposite. In many cases, we had situation of nuclear reactors closing down, so other facilities closing down. Obviously, the end result is an increase in price of electricity, at least in some states and countries that have not sold that fully out. Nuno Gonçalves Pedro Manufacturing: the return of “atoms + bits” Moving to manufacturing and what’s happening around manufacturing, manufacturing technology. There’s maybe the case to be made that manufacturing is getting replatformed, right? It’s getting redefined. Some of it is very obvious, and it’s already been ongoing for a couple of decades, which is the advent of and more and more either robotic augmented factories or just fully roboticized factories, where there’s very little presence of human beings. There’s elements of that. There’s the element of software definition on top of it, like simulation. A lot of automation is going on. A lot of AI has been applied to some lines in terms of vision, safety. We have an investment in a company called Sauter Analytics that is very focused on that from the perspective of employees and when they’re still humans in the loop, so to speak, and the ability to really figure out when people are at risk and other elements of what’s happening occurring from that. But there’s more than that. There’s a little bit of a renaissance in and of itself. Factories are, initially, if we go back a couple of decades ago, factories were, and manufacturing was very much defined from the setup. Now it’s difficult to innovate, it’s difficult to shift the line, it’s difficult to change how things are done in the line. With the advent of new factories that have less legacy, that have more flexible systems, not only in terms of software, but also in terms of hardware and robotics, it allows us to, for example, change and shift lines much more easily to different functions, which will hopefully, over time, not only reduce dramatically the cost of production. But also increase dramatically the yield, it increases dramatically the production itself. A lot of cool stuff happening in that space. Bertrand Schmitt It’s exciting to see that. One thing this current administration in the US has been betting on is not just hoping for construction renaissance. Especially on the factory side, up of factories, but their mindset was two things. One, should I force more companies to build locally because it would be cheaper? Two, increase output and supply of energy so that running factories here in the US would be cheaper than anywhere else. Maybe not cheaper than China, but certainly we get is cheaper than Europe. But three, it’s also the belief that thanks to AI, we will be able to have more efficient factories. There is always that question, do Americans to still keep making clothes, for instance, in factories. That used to be the case maybe 50 years ago, but this move to China, this move to Bangladesh, this move to different places. That’s not the goal. But it can make sense that indeed there is ability, thanks to robots and AI, to have more automated factories, and these factories could be run more efficiently, and as a result, it would be priced-competitive, even if run in the US. When you want to think about it, that has been, for instance, the South Korean playbook. More automated factories, robotics, all of this, because that was the only way to compete against China, which has a near infinite or used to have a near infinite supply of cheaper labour. I think that all of this combined can make a lot of sense. In a way, it’s probably creating a perfect storm. Maybe another piece of the puzzle this administration has been working on pretty hard is simplifying all the permitting process. Because a big chunk of the problem is that if your permitting is very complex, very expensive, what take two years to build become four years, five years, 10 years. The investment mass is not the same in that situation. I think that’s a very important part of the puzzle. It’s use this opportunity to reduce regulatory state, make sure that things are more efficient. Also, things are less at risk of bribery and fraud because all these regulations, there might be ways around. I think it’s quite critical to really be careful about this. Maybe last piece of the puzzle is the way accounting works. There are new rules now in 2026 in the US where you can fully depreciate your CapEx much faster than before. That’s a big win for manufacturing in the US. Suddenly, you can depreciate much faster some of your CapEx investment in manufacturing. Nuno Gonçalves Pedro Just going back to a point you made and then moving it forward, even China, with being now probably the country in the world with the highest rate of innovation and take up of industrial robots. Because of demographic issues a little bit what led Japan the first place to be one of the real big innovators around robots in general. The fact that demographics, you’re having an aging population, less and less children. How are you going to replace all these people? Moving that into big winners, who becomes a big winner in a space where manufacturing is fundamentally changing? Obviously, there’s the big four of robots, which is ABB, FANUC, KUKA, and Yaskawa. Epson, I think, is now in there, although it’s not considered one of the big four. Kawasaki, Denso, Universal Robots. There’s a really big robotics, industrial robotic companies in the space from different origins, FANUC and Yaskawa, and Epson from Japan, KUKA from Germany, ABB from Switzerland, Sweden. A lot of now emerging companies from China, and what’s happening in that space is quite interesting. On the other hand, also, other winners will include players that will be integrators that will build some of the rest of the infrastructure that goes into manufacturing, the Siemens of the world, the Schneider’s, the Rockwell’s that will lead to fundamental industrial automation. Some big winners in there that whose names are well known, so probably not a huge amount of surprises there. There’s movements. As I said, we’re still going to see the big Chinese players emerging in the world. There are startups that are innovating around a lot of the edges that are significant in this space. We’ll see if this is a space that will just be continued to be dominated by the big foreign robotics and by a couple of others and by the big integrators or not. Bertrand Schmitt I think you are right to remind about China because China has been moving very fast in robotics. Some Chinese companies are world-class in their use of robotics. You have this strange mix of some older industries where robotics might not be so much put to use and typically state-owned, versus some private companies, typically some tech companies that are reconverting into hardware in some situation. That went all in terms of robotics use and their demonstrations, an example of what’s happening in China. Definitely, the Chinese are not resting. Everyone smart enough is playing that game from the Americans, the Chinese, Japanese, the South Koreans. Nuno Gonçalves Pedro Exciting things are manufacturing, and maybe to bring it all together, what does it mean for all the big players out there? If we talk with startups and talk about startups, we didn’t mention a ton of startups today, right? Maybe incumbent wind across the board. But on a more serious note, we did mention a few. For example, in nuclear energy, there’s a lot of startups that have been, some of them, incredibly well-funded at this moment in time. Wrap: what it means for startups, incumbents, and investors There might be some big disruptions that will come out of startups, for example, in that space. On the chipset side, we talked about the big gorillas, the NVIDIAs, AMDs, Intel, etc., of the world. But we didn’t quite talk about the fact that there’s a lot of innovation, again, happening on the edges with new players going after very large niches, be it in networking and switching. Be it in compute and other areas that will need different, more specialized solutions. Potentially in terms of compute or in terms of semiconductor deployments. I think there’s still some opportunities there, maybe not to be the winner takes all thing, but certainly around a lot of very significant niches that might grow very fast. Manufacturing, we mentioned the same. Some of the incumbents seem to be in the driving seat. We’ll see what happens if some startups will come in and take some of the momentum there, probably less likely. There are spaces where the value chains are very tightly built around the OEMs and then the suppliers overall, classically the tier one suppliers across value chains. Maybe there is some startup investment play. We certainly have played in the couple of the spaces. I mentioned already some of them today, but this is maybe where the incumbents have it all to lose. It’s more for them to lose rather than for the startups to win just because of the scale of what needs to be done and what needs to be deployed. Bertrand Schmitt I know. That’s interesting point. I think some players in energy production, for instance, are moving very fast and behaving not only like startups. Usually, it’s independent energy suppliers who are not kept by too much regulations that get moved faster. Utility companies, as we just discussed, have more constraints. I would like to say that if you take semiconductor space, there has been quite a lot of startup activities way more than usual, and there have been some incredible success. Just a few weeks ago, Rock got more or less acquired. Now, you have to play games. It’s not an outright acquisition, but $20 billion for an IP licensing agreement that’s close to an acquisition. That’s an incredible success for a company. Started maybe 10 years ago. You have another Cerebras, one of the competitor valued, I believe, quite a lot in similar range. I think there is definitely some activity. It’s definitely a different game compared to your software startup in terms of investment. But as we have seen with AI in general, the need for investment might be larger these days. Yes, it might be either traditional players if they can move fast enough, to be frank, because some of them, when you have decades of being run as a slow-moving company, it’s hard to change things. At the same time, it looks like VCs are getting bigger. Wall Street is getting more ready to finance some of these companies. I think there will be opportunities for startups, but definitely different types of startups in terms of profile. Nuno Gonçalves Pedro Exactly. From an investor standpoint, I think on the VC side, at least our core belief is that it’s more niche. It’s more around big niches that need to be fundamentally disrupted or solutions that require fundamental interoperability and integration where the incumbents have no motivation to do it. Things that are a little bit more either packaging on the semiconductor side or other elements of actual interoperability. Even at the software layer side that feeds into infrastructure. If you’re a growth investor, a private equity investor, there’s other plays that are available to you. A lot of these projects need to be funded and need to be scaled. Now we’re seeing projects being funded even for a very large, we mentioned it in one of the previous episodes, for a very large tech companies. When Meta, for example, is going to the market to get funding for data centers, etc. There’s projects to be funded there because just the quantum and scale of some of these projects, either because of financial interest for specifically the tech companies or for other reasons, but they need to be funded by the market. There’s other place right now, certainly if you’re a larger private equity growth investor, and you want to come into the market and do projects. Even public-private financing is now available for a lot of things. Definitely, there’s a lot of things emanating that require a lot of funding, even for large-scale projects. Which means the advent of some of these projects and where realization is hopefully more of a given than in other circumstances, because there’s actual commercial capital behind it and private capital behind it to fuel it as well, not just industrial policy and money from governments. Bertrand Schmitt There was this quite incredible stat. I guess everyone heard about that incredible growth in GDP in Q3 in the US at 4.4%. Apparently, half of that growth, so around 2.2% point, has been coming from AI and related infrastructure investment. That’s pretty massive. Half of your GDP growth coming from something that was not there three years ago or there, but not at this intensity of investment. That’s the numbers we are talking about. I’m hearing that there is a good chance that in 2026, we’re talking about five, even potentially 6% GDP growth. Again, half of it potentially coming from AI and all the related infrastructure growth that’s coming with AI. As a conclusion for this episode on infrastructure, as we just said, it’s not just AI, it’s a whole stack, and it’s manufacturing in general as well. Definitely in the US, in China, there is a lot going on. As we have seen, computing needs connectivity, networks, need power, energy and grid, and all of this needs production capacity and manufacturing. Manufacturing can benefit from AI as well. That way the loop is fully going back on itself. Infrastructure is the next big thing. It’s an opportunity, probably more for incumbents, but certainly, as usual, with such big growth opportunities for startups as well. Thank you, Nuno. Nuno Gonçalves Pedro Thank you, Bertrand.

Episode Summary The most powerful skill you can learn in 2026 isn't Photoshop or marketing — it's typing what you want into a chatbot. Plain English is the new programming language, and you already speak it. But most artists get garbage results from AI. Why? Because AI isn't dumb — it's blind. It doesn't know your business, your customers, your prices, or your voice. The fix is simple: context files. In this episode, I break down exactly how to create context files that turn generic AI into YOUR personal assistant — and I give you a prompt that lets AI interview you to build the file automatically. The "Interview Me" Prompt Copy and paste this into ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, or Art Helper: I want to create a context document about my art business that I can use with AI tools. Interview me by asking one question at a time. Cover these areas: - Who I am as an artist (background, medium, style) - Who my customers are (demographics, where they find me, budget) - What I sell (products, price points, bestsellers) - How I talk/write (voice, tone, words I use) - My business goals for this year After the interview, compile everything into a clean document I can save and reuse. Ask me one question at a time and wait for my answer. The Context File Menu You don't need all of these. Pick 2-3 to start and build from there. # Document What's In It When It Saves You 1 Artist Bio Story, background, philosophy Grants, press, about pages 2 Customer Avatar Who buys, demographics, budget Marketing, emails, ad copy 3 Product Lineup What you sell, prices, sizes Listings, sales copy 4 Brand Voice How you write, words you use/avoid All written content 5 Tech Stack Computers, printers, software, OS ANY tech issue — instant diagnosis 6 Collector List Past buyers, what they bought, notes Follow-ups, Christmas cards 7 Show Calendar Art fairs, festivals, deadlines Planning, logistics 8 Pricing Strategy How you price, margins, why New work, negotiating 9 Marketing Channels Where you show up, what works Strategy, focus 10 FAQ Doc Questions people always ask Responses, website copy 11 Vendor List Framers, printers, suppliers Reorders, troubleshooting 12 Studio Setup Physical space, equipment Insurance, optimization 13 Art Style Guide Medium, techniques, subjects Press, commissions 14 Business Goals Revenue targets, 1yr/5yr vision Planning, accountability 15 Competition Notes Who else, how you're different Positioning, marketing Where to Save Your Context Files ChatGPT Projects: chatgpt.com → New Project → Upload files Claude Projects: claude.ai/projects → New Project → Add to knowledge base Gemini Gems: gemini.google.com → Explore Gems → New Gem File formats that work everywhere: PDF, Word docs, plain text, Markdown Related Episodes Context is King: Stop Having First Dates with ChatGPT Every Time (2025)