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On The Kenny & JT Show we're joined by National High School Football Hall of Fame Inductee Craig James, running back for Houston Stratford High School, Southern Methodist, and in the USFL and NFL. We're live from the DoubleTreeHotel as the Induction Weekend kicks off later today with the Welcome Meet & Greet Reception starting at 7:00pm. The enshrinement Ceremony is tomorrow at 6:00pm at Umstattd Hall.

Tri Delta CEO Mindy Tucker, Southern Methodist, dives into Heidi's fun and exciting beauty and TV hosting career. Join them to follow along in Heidi's career pivots, learn about the power of strengths-based leadership and hear how Tri Delta played a key role in her latest transition to starting her own company—Forte Advisers. Heidi shares invaluable advice for women navigating change, embracing their strengths, leading with purpose and reinventing themselves. whether it's in their first job or during what she calls “the third chapter.” If you're looking for inspiration, practical career wisdom or an important reminder of how Tri Delta's values can shape a lifetime, this episode is for you!

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Resources: Dr. Henry Cloud's new book: "Why I Believe"   Online platform with courses by Dr. Cloud Dr. Cloud's book, Necessary Endings Leslie's Quick Start Guide: Find out if you're in a destructive relationship In today's episode, Leslie Vernick sits down with Dr. Henry Cloud, the acclaimed leadership expert, clinical psychologist, and best-selling author known for his influential books "Boundaries" and "Necessary Endings." With over 45 years of experience, Dr. Cloud has helped millions integrate faith and psychology into their lives. In this enlightening conversation, Leslie and Dr. Cloud discuss his newest book, "Why I Believe," a deeply personal narrative that diverges from his usual clinical and business-focused writings. This book delves into Dr. Cloud's journey of faith, his childhood experiences, and the profound moments that shaped his spiritual beliefs. Key Points: Introduction to Dr. Henry Cloud: Leslie introduces Dr. Cloud, highlighting his significant contributions through his books and his integration of faith and psychology. Dr. Cloud's credentials: best-selling author, leadership expert, and clinical psychologist with over 45 years of experience. The Motivation Behind "Why I Believe": Dr. Cloud shares the impetus for writing a book about his faith journey at this point in his life. Initial intention to create a small pamphlet for his friends, which evolved into a full-fledged book due to the widespread need among Christians to share their faith. Dr. Cloud's Personal Faith Journey: Growing up in a Southern Methodist home with a faith that was real but not front and center. His struggles with depression and a turning point during his college years when he earnestly sought God. Miraculous Experiences: Dr. Cloud recounts miraculous experiences, including finding a pastor's house through divine guidance and the profound moment of feeling God's presence in his car. How these experiences affirmed his belief in God despite not immediately curing his depression. Intellectual Obstacles and Resolution: Addressing intellectual challenges such as the existence of suffering and the relationship between science and scripture. Dr. Cloud's deep dive into various scientific fields and his conclusion that there is no conflict between science and the Bible when approached without atheistic presuppositions. Integration of Psychology and Scripture: Dr. Cloud's perspective on how psychological science validates biblical teachings. The inclusion of personal miracle stories in his book to illustrate the tangible impact of faith. The Problem of Evil and Suffering: Leslie and Dr. Cloud address the age-old question: If God is good and real, why does He allow suffering, especially the suffering of innocent people? Dr. Cloud explains that the root cause lies in the concept of free will. God created humans with the freedom to love Him or reject Him, and this freedom extends to all human actions, including harmful ones. The Nature of Love and Freedom: Love cannot exist without freedom. Just as in human relationships, love must be freely given and received; otherwise, it is not true love. God set boundaries to guide humans, but the freedom to choose remains, leading to both good and evil actions. God's Foreknowledge and Plan: While God knew the potential for evil, He also prepared a plan for redemption through Jesus Christ, even before the foundation of the world. The presence of evil and suffering is part of the larger narrative of freedom and redemption. God's Presence in Suffering: Dr. Cloud shares a powerful testimony of a man who envisioned Jesus taking his place during a beating from his father, illustrating that Jesus deeply empathizes with our suffering. Jesus' identification with our pain and His presence in our suffering provides a profound sense of comfort and solidarity. Addressing Intellectual and Emotional Challenges: Dr. Cloud acknowledges that intellectual answers often fall short of providing emotional satisfaction when it comes to understanding suffering. He emphasizes the importance of trusting in God's infinite love and wisdom, even when we cannot comprehend His ways fully. Role of the Church and Community: The importance of the church's role in standing against abuse and supporting victims. Dr. Cloud critiques the misuse of scripture to justify abusive relationships and encourages victims to seek help from compassionate and understanding leaders. Empowerment and Responsibility: God has delegated the responsibility to humans to act against evil and support those in need. Encouragement for individuals and communities to step up and make a difference in the lives of those who are suffering. Encouragement for Victims: Dr. Cloud offers heartfelt advice to victims of abuse, emphasizing the importance of seeking safety and help. He highlights the significance of finding supportive communities and leaders who will stand against abuse and provide the necessary support.

In this episode, Amanda delivers straight-talking, no-nonsense advice from her years of recruiting and career consulting experience. Her approach is direct yet comes from a place of genuine care for helping people in all stages of their careers, from college upperclassmen and recent grads to moms re-entering the workforce and seasoned professionals.Amanda delves into all things job hunting: resume building, using social media, finding the right cultural fit and the importance of soft skills. She also catches us up on how Tri Delta still plays an important role in her life and how it gave her confidence, independence and a home away from home which she says is “way better than career prep”!Find Amanda on Instagram @amp_recruiting or visit her website at AMP-recruiting.com.

With a portfolio that boasts collaborations with US Presidents and foreign dignitaries, celebrities, artists and industry leaders, she demonstrates a broad talent forming connections—visual and interpersonal—with some of the most inspirational individuals across the globe. Ren's work has featured prominently in prestigious publications such as Harper's Bazaar, Modern Luxury, Travel & Leisure, D Magazine, and Voyage Magazine, where it has garnered acclaim. She has been recognized as one of the Top 40 Women Under 40 in the United States by The Crescent, further solidifying her status as a leading talent in the industry. Ren tells all in our True and Constant Podcast about what it's like to be a world-renowned photographer, how she gets the best shot and most importantly, what it means to be a Gamma Phi Beta. Listen today!

The USC Triple-Double Podcast is back with co-hosts Shotgun Spratling and Connor Morrissette (aka Mr. Triple Double) returning to break down the Women of Troy's first week of action in the NCAA tournament, including their first NCAA tournament win since 2006 and advancing to their first Sweet 16 in 30 years. The Trojans defeated Texas A&M-Corpus Christi, 87-55, jumping out to a 21-2 run and never looking back, and then they tussled with Kansas before coming away with a 73-55 victory that sends them to Portland, Ore. for a Sweet 16 matchup against Baylor and a potential Elite Eight game against UConn. Shotgun and Connor break down all the action played in an electric environment at the Galen Center where the fans brought the noise and lingered outside the arena even after the games to celebrate with the players. They look at the elite efforts of JuJu Watkins and McKenzie Forbes as well as role players, such as Kayla Williams and Clarice Akunwafo, stepping up and being difference makers that changed the tide of games. The podcasting duo also delve into the news of men's basketball head coach Andy Enfield being expected to be hired by Southern Methodist to take over as its new head coach as it transitions into the ACC next season. Shotgun and Connor also give their No. 1 choice for an Enfield replacement if the SMU hire becomes official. After a short break, Shotgun and Connor preview the upcoming Sweet 16 matchup against Baylor and potential Elite Eight matchups against Connecticut and Duke for the Women of Troy this weekend at the Moda Center in Portland. Please review, rate and subscribe to the Peristyle Podcast on Apple Podcasts! Make sure you check out USCFootball.com for complete coverage of this USC Trojans basketball and football teams. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, our hosts take a moment to reflect on 2023 and Season 15 while giving an exclusive peek into what's in store for 2024 and Season 16.From the age-old tradition of New Year's resolutions to the innovative idea of picking a personal “word” for the year, and even diving into the impact of Taylor Swift as Time's Person of the Year, nothing is off limits in this fun and witty Tri Deltas in the TV room podcast episode.The ladies spill their excitement for our St. Jude goal of 100M raised in 25 years, summer DDD B&Bs, Convention 2024 with an amazing lineup of sessions and keynote speakers, and our new vision statement which perfectly reflects Tri Delta's excellence and propels us forward! Plus, they have a special announcement—so join Tri Delta staff members and sisters CEO Karen Hughes White, Georgia, Chief Strategy Officer Mindy Tucker, Southern Methodist, Event Production Specialist Avery Sadler, Mississippi, and Philanthropy Specialist Meredith Davies, Rhodes, to kick off 2024!Now you can WATCH our podcast too! Find us on the Tri Delta channel on YouTube.

A podcast for deans and academic leadership.DEANS COUNSELJames Ellis | Moderator | Dean of the Marshall School of Business at the University of Southern California (2007-2019)David Ikenberry | Moderator | Dean of the Leeds School of Business at the University of Colorado-Boulder (2011-2016)Ken Kring | Moderator | Co-Managing Director, Global Education Practice and Senior Client Partner at Korn FerryDeansCounsel.com--EPISODE 26: Matt Myers (Southern Methodist) On Implications of Financial Pressure on the Business SchoolOn this episode of Deans Counsel, moderators David Ikenberry and Ken Kring speak with Matt Myers from Southern Methodist University, where he serves as the Dean of the Edwin L. Cox School of Business, the Tolleson Chair in Business Leadership, and the David B. Miller Endowed Professor. Now in his second term as Dean at Cox, Matt has navigated a plethora of financial forces that may ring familiar to any Dean at any large university: the pressure for the business school to finance shortfalls in other campus areas and drive campus-wide campaigns, and providing real value to students (and their parents) as tuitions rise.In addition to these topics, Matt walks us through the process of constructing Cox's nearly complete new building, and touches on subjects including:•Being mindful of educational value •Looking beyond "B" schools as simply cash cows•Implications of the rising importance of undergraduate education and its quality •Working across campusLearn more about Matt MyersComments/criticism/suggestions/feedback? We'd love to hear it. Drop us a note at feedback@deanscounsel.comThanks for listening.-Produced by Joel Davis at Analog Digital Arts

SMU head coach Kevin Hudson joins the show this week to talk about his team's hot start to the season. He talks about the goals for his returning but still young squad, his team's success at home and the vibe on campus after the move to the ACC was announced.  

Mike Barber of the Richmond Times-Dispatch joins Mike to examine the ACC's three new additions: Stanford, Cal and Southern Methodist. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

-ACC looking to add Stanford and Cal … meetings taking place this morning/today - Cal’s Board of Regents met this morning, ironically around roughly the same time  -Stanford and Cal on a national scale when it comes to football - they don’t move the needle - Cal hasn’t really had anyone much of relevance since Aaron Rodgers and Marshawn Lynch -What does it add for the ACC, other than long travel for some schools that already travel far?   -There have been reports that the American would also be in play, which if you’re the AAC, you ABSOLUTELY make the push for it … ECU vs Stanford at Dowdy-Ficklen, anybody?  -Why it would be hard for the Pac-12 to add Mountain West schools  -Why I hate it …     College Football Top 25 coaches’ poll: 1. Georgia2. Michigan3. Alabama4. Ohio State5. LSU6. USC7. Penn State8. FSU9. Clemson10. Tennessee11. Washington12. Texas13. Notre Dame14. Utah15. Oregon16. TCU17. Kansas State18. Oregon State19. Oklahoma20. UNC21. Wisconsin22. Ole Miss23. Tulane24. Texas Tech25. Texas A&M Others receiving votes: Iowa 169; South Carolina 89; Florida 63; Texas-San Antonio 59; Pittsburgh 52; UCLA 42; Kentucky 34; Baylor 28; Troy 25; Arkansas 20; NC State 19; Fresno State 19; Boise State 18; Auburn 18; Minnesota 16; Miami 16; Mississippi State 13; Oklahoma State 12; Missouri 11; Maryland 10; Southern Methodist 8; South Alabama 8; Illinois 7; Wake Forest 6; Air Force 6; Toledo 5; Washington State 4; Houston 3; Duke 2; Brigham Young 2; Arizona 2; Memphis 1; Kansas 1; James Madison 1.   ....Duke disrespect is REAL.

To change the podcast up a little, our hosts Karen White, Georgia, and Mindy Tucker, Southern Methodist, are joined by two young professionals from the Executive Office staff. Avery Sadler, Mississippi, and Meredith Davies, Rhodes, jump in on the conversation of hot topics and other Tri Delta news. Avery and Meredith are recent graduates and help bring younger perspectives on everything from sisterhood, dating and what's going on in Tri Delta today. They talk about intergenerational learning and how bonding with sisters is a gift from Tri Delta. All four hosts relate it back to being with sisters in the “TV rooms” of their Tri Delta houses. Tune in for a great chat with sisters being sisters!

In this episode of the Podcast of Champions hosts Ryan Abraham and David Woods are back in studio discussing the long and drawn out pending media rights deal for the Pac-12 conference. On Super Bowl Monday the Pac-12 Conference Board Members issued joint statement that addressed the long wait for an announcement on media rights, but it did little to give fans of the Conference of Champions confidence that a big payday for the remaining 10 schools is coming. According to the statement the media rights deal or deals would be done "in the near future," there have been "positive" conversations with "multiple potential media rights partners" and that the conference is "highly confident in our future growth and success as a conference and united in our commitment to one another." The guys breakdown what they took away from this joint statement including the fact that it came from the board members and not commissioner George Kliavkoff. They also talk about what some of those outside of the Pac-12 footprint are saying, including projections of doom and gloom for the PAC. Speaking of Kliavkoff, he was seen at a Southern Methodist basketball game and has reportedly been in conference expansion discussions with SMU and San Diego State. Some are speculating that the media rights delay is in part due to the need for increased game inventory and that Kliavkoff may need to add two more teams to have more games to sell to potential media partners. They also talk about Utah quarterback Cam Rising tearing his ACL but still aiming for a return before the start of the 2023 season and Utes offensive coordinator Andy Ludwig not taking the same position at Notre Dame, in part because of his rather large buyout. For the video simulcasts of our POC please subscribe to your YouTube channel! Please subscribe, give the POC a five-star rating and post a review on Apple Podcasts! Sound off about Pac-12 football in our Podcast of Champions Reddit page! Send us a text or leave us a voicemail by texting or calling (424) 532-0678 or you can email us at pac12podcast@gmail.com. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this conversation with William Torbert we explore his perspectives on Dave Snowden's critiques of vertical development, including the concern about elitism, action logic perspectives, post cognitive consciousness, the 4 territories of experience and a more inclusive way of being. William R. Torbert is the Principal of Action Inquiry Associates LLC, Co-Founder and Director Emeritus of Global Leadership Associates, Director of the Amara Collaboration and a Founding Member of the Action Inquiry Fellowship. His groundbreaking work on Developmental Action Inquiry is the foundation for the work of Global Leadership Associates. Bill has enjoyed an distinguished academic career: Yale, Southern Methodist university, Harvard, Boston College, Leadership professor Emeritus, and is an award winning teacher. He is the author of a dozen books, including Seven Transformations of Leadership, selected as one of the top ten Harvard Business Review leadership articles of all time and his most recent book, Numbskull in the Theatre of Inquiry. See our latest training, The Power of Embodied Transformation (registration open until March 2nd): https://www.coachesrising.com/powerofembodiedtransformation/

The Father Factor is a Podcast where renown Speaker and Author Byron Ricks, MA. transforms the moving lessons from his own life into a road map to guide other men who grew up without fathers, fathers looking to reconnect with sons, mothers who are raising fatherless boys, and young men who are presently fatherless.His Bestselling Book  Searching for Dad: Nine Side-Effects of Growing Up Fatherless and How to Overcome Them      https://amzn.to/3LaMfsL   Ricks steps inside the mind, heart, and soul of a boy without a father. Recognizing the power of the emotional and psychological side effects of growing up fatherless will help absentee fathers, single mothers, and sons who survived a fatherless childhood understand and cope.Keep in touchEmail: info@thefatherfactor.comFollow us on Instagram        Like us on FacebookToday's guest is Harvey Armstrong.   Harvey  is a former professional American football defensive tackle who played eight seasons in the National Football League for the Philadelphia Eagles and Indianapolis Colts. He played college football at Southern Methodist. 

The Father Factor is a Podcast where renown Speaker and Author Byron Ricks, MA. transforms the moving lessons from his own life into a road map to guide other men who grew up without fathers, fathers looking to reconnect with sons, mothers who are raising fatherless boys, and young men who are presently fatherless.His Bestselling Book  Searching for Dad: Nine Side-Effects of Growing Up Fatherless and How to Overcome Them      https://amzn.to/3LaMfsL   Ricks steps inside the mind, heart, and soul of a boy without a father. Recognizing the power of the emotional and psychological side effects of growing up fatherless will help absentee fathers, single mothers, and sons who survived a fatherless childhood understand and cope.Keep in touchEmail: info@thefatherfactor.comFollow us on Instagram        Like us on FacebookToday's guest is Harvey Armstrong.   Harvey  is a former professional American football defensive tackle who played eight seasons in the National Football League for the Philadelphia Eagles and Indianapolis Colts. He played college football at Southern Methodist. 

The Father Factor is a Podcast where renown Speaker and Author Byron Ricks, MA. transforms the moving lessons from his own life into a road map to guide other men who grew up without fathers, fathers looking to reconnect with sons, mothers who are raising fatherless boys, and young men who are presently fatherless.His Bestselling Book  Searching for Dad: Nine Side-Effects of Growing Up Fatherless and How to Overcome Them      https://amzn.to/3LaMfsL   Ricks steps inside the mind, heart, and soul of a boy without a father. Recognizing the power of the emotional and psychological side effects of growing up fatherless will help absentee fathers, single mothers, and sons who survived a fatherless childhood understand and cope.Keep in touchEmail: info@thefatherfactor.comFollow us on Instagram        Like us on FacebookToday's guest is Harvey Armstrong.   Harvey  is a former professional American football defensive tackle who played eight seasons in the National Football League for the Philadelphia Eagles and Indianapolis Colts. He played college football at Southern Methodist. 

Ashley McClellan, Southern Methodist, is a long serving CEO in the healthcare industry who credits much of her success as an executive to her time serving as collegiate chapter president at SMU. She talks about how a special alumna mentored her as a collegian and why mentorship remains an important part of her career and life. Ashley also speaks of the importance of sponsorship among women of all ages. A passionate philanthropist, Ashley discusses how she has given back to Tri Delta through an endowed scholarship through Tri Delta's Foundation. With Tri Delta's Day of Giving coming up, Ashley makes the case for why all sisters should give what they can, when they can to make a lasting impact on our sisterhood. Be sure to participate in Tri Delta's Day of Giving on Tuesday, Nov 15! www.tridelta.org/dayofgiving 

The Father Factor is a Podcast where renown Speaker and Author Byron Ricks, MA. transforms the moving lessons from his own life into a road map to guide other men who grew up without fathers, fathers looking to reconnect with sons, mothers who are raising fatherless boys, and young men who are presently fatherless.His Bestselling Book  Searching for Dad: Nine Side-Effects of Growing Up Fatherless and How to Overcome Them      https://amzn.to/3LaMfsL   Ricks steps inside the mind, heart, and soul of a boy without a father. Recognizing the power of the emotional and psychological side effects of growing up fatherless will help absentee fathers, single mothers, and sons who survived a fatherless childhood understand and cope.Keep in touchEmail: info@thefatherfactor.comFollow us on Instagram        Like us on FacebookToday's guest is Harvey Armstrong.   Harvey  is a former professional American football defensive tackle who played eight seasons in the National Football League for the Philadelphia Eagles and Indianapolis Colts. He played college football at Southern Methodist. 

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INTRODUCTION: Barry Bowen is the Staff Investigator at Trinity Foundation, a nonprofit organization that investigates religious fraud, theft and excess. From 2005 to 2010 Bowen served as one of the third-party whistleblowers assisting the U.S. Senate in its investigation of six TV ministries. INCLUDED IN THIS EPISODE (But not limited to): ·      Mega Church Deception·      Money Mismanagement ·      Church Hypocrisy·      The Need For Church Accountability ·      Lakewood Church·      Hillsong Church ·      PPP Loan Abuse·      Shell Company Defined·      How Churches Take Advantage Of The LLC Business Structure·      How Churches Have Become MarketplacesCONNECT WITH BARRY: Website: https://trinityfi.orgTwitter: https://twitter.com/barrybowen CONNECT WITH DE'VANNON: Website: https://www.SexDrugsAndJesus.comYouTube: https://bit.ly/3daTqCMFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/SexDrugsAndJesus/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sexdrugsandjesuspodcast/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TabooTopixLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/devannonEmail: DeVannon@SexDrugsAndJesus.com DE'VANNON'S RECOMMENDATIONS: ·      Pray Away Documentary (NETFLIX)o  https://www.netflix.com/title/81040370o  TRAILER: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk_CqGVfxEs ·      Hillsong: A Megachurch Exposed (Documentary)o  https://press.discoveryplus.com/lifestyle/discovery-announces-key-participants-featured-in-upcoming-expose-of-the-hillsong-church-controversy-hillsong-a-megachurch-exposed/ ·      Leaving Hillsong Podcast With Tanya Levino  https://leavinghillsong.podbean.com ·      Upwork: https://www.upwork.com·      FreeUp: https://freeup.net·      Disabled American Veterans (DAV): https://www.dav.org·      American Legion: https://www.legion.org INTERESTED IN PODCASTING OR BEING A GUEST?: ·      PodMatch is awesome! This application streamlines the process of finding guests for your show and also helps you find shows to be a guest on. The PodMatch Community is a part of this and that is where you can ask questions and get help from an entire network of people so that you save both money and time on your podcasting journey.https://podmatch.com/signup/devannon  TRANSCRIPT: [00:00:00]You're listening to the sex drugs and Jesus podcast, where we discuss whatever the fuck we want to! And yes, we can put sex and drugs and Jesus all in the same bed and still be all right at the end of the day. My name is De'Vannon and I'll be interviewing guests from every corner of this world as we dig into topics that are too risqué for the morning show, as we strive to help you understand what's really going on in your life.There is nothing off the table and we've got a lot to talk about. So let's dive right into this episode.De'Vannon: Hello? Hello. Hello everyone. And welcome back to the sex drugs and Jesus podcast. God bless you. Uh, now y'all, I'm going, been watching this documentary called Hillsong a mega church exposed on the discovery plus channel in bitch. If you haven't seen. I'm telling you right now, I am letting you know, you need this fucking P in your life.I was able to land an interview with someone from that documentary. And he's my guest today. His name was Barry Bowen and he is a staff investigator at the Trinity foundation, [00:01:00] which is a non-profit, which investigates religious fraud, theft, and excess, and things like that. Now, in this episode, we're spelling some major T on Lakewood church, Hillsong church. And the general corruption, which has become the face of the church today. Ultimately these churches need to be more fucking accountable in Barry and I are here to help make that happen. Hello? Hello. Hello everyone. And welcome to the sex drugs and Jesus podcast. I am your host Avanan and I have with me today, a man by the name of Barry Barry Bowen. He's a staff private investigator at Trinity foundation. And then this episode here is is going to have a very, very, maybe I should say ominous vibe to it because we've got to really be digging down into some megachurch, Phil uncovering a few things, and you know, we're opening your eyes [00:02:00] to some facts that you may not know.Now you gotta make your own draw your own conclusions and everything like that. Our aim here is to share knowledge with the world. So, Barry, how are you doing? Barry: I am doing well and ready to have a busy weekend though. De'Vannon: Mm hallelujah. Tabernacle and praise. I know that's right. And so, so right off the bat, I just want to tell everyone the website is Trinity fii.org.As always, this will go in the showy notes as I always do. I want to put that out there right now, because everyone's going to need to go to this website. I need you to go to this website. My head was fucking hurting. It was like split down the middle. Like I had been cracked in the noggin with an ax or some shit as I was reading through.The articles tab, which is where Barry's work is and all of these different, just different [00:03:00]investigative journalism. This man has done over the years and years and years. And so we're going to be uncovering a lot of things. You're coming from a 15 year history in journalism. Tell us about your background.Barry: And 2000 I started a website, Christian headlines.com. It was sorta like the Matt Drudge, the Drudge report of Christianity. Every day, I would look for articles of interest to Christians and link to them. So in the course of doing that website, I started coming across regularly articles about bad pastors people in the church committing crimes.And I knew about Trinity foundation, a watchdog organization, and started emailing them tips, news articles that I was coming across and. Eventually I reached a breaking point. One night I was flipping through the TV channels and I came across a televangelist named [00:04:00] Mike Murdoch and he was doing the standard beg of Bon or just begging for money.And he said, so EST on your credit card, and God will erase your credit card debt. I wanted to jump through the TV set and hit the guy. I did not the TV survived, but I, when that incident happened, I thought I am going to take you down. And so I started investigating the televangelists more. I would.I found out about nine nineties. These are financial documents. That nonprofits file. Now churches, synagogues, mosques are exempt from filing, but other religious organizations are required to file them. So I started digging into these kinds of financial documents eventually starting to incorporation searches to learn about who makes the key decisions in the organizations and how they [00:05:00] hide their assets.Then I learned eventually how to track their aircraft. So it's been a interesting ride. And 2005, I read an article about being Derby. He was a congressional investigator. He was the attorney that council's counsel for the Senate finance. Senate finance committee, which at the time was headed up by Senator Charles Grassley.And in this article, it talked about that Dean's RB was investigating half a dozen, half a dozen non-profits for fraud. And I was thinking, this guy shouldn't investigate the televangelists. So I, and I contacted TriNet foundation. The president at the time was only Anthony. And it's like only you need to contact this guy, send them to him, send them your Binny Han brief.So just a couple months earlier Treme foundation had challenged Benny him, the [00:06:00]televangelist, his tax exempt status do dumpster diving. They go through the trash. They found out that the IRS was questioning whether or not Benny Hinn ministry should be considered a church and a. So TriNet foundation did this report to the S to the IRS.And so it was sent that report was sent to Dean Serby, this investigator that worked for Senator Grassley and he looked at the email and he looked at the report and he told us that they would need to wrap up the current investigations before the Senate could investigate these religious non-profits.So that was 2005 November, 2007. It became matter of public knowledge. One night I think maybe two in the morning on the Senate finance committee, [00:07:00] they sent out faxes to six TV ministries, demanding their financial records. And those ministries were Benny and. Kenneth Copeland Creflo dollar Eddie long Joyce Meyer and polo white.And it was a maybe a circus the next day. When the news media found out about the Senate inquiry so Grassley was interested in, in non-profit organizations were abusing their tax exempt status. He started investigating nonprofits in 2001, and this all happened because of September 11th.The terrorist attack on the twin towers. When [00:08:00] that incident happened the American red cross set up, I believe they call it the victory fund and hundreds of millions of dollars were donated nationwide to go to the families of the victims. Well, the American red cross decided to divert some of those funds.And when that was discovered, when that was reported in the news, it led to state attorney General's investigating. It led to Congress investigating the president of American red cross resigned. It really hurt the reputation of the organization. What a lot of people don't know is when you give to a specific cause specific purpose, those are called restricted donations.And if the money is spent other than how the donor intended it can be fraud. Now it's IRS. Typically doesn't investigate this. Normally be a state attorney general that does. It could even be a [00:09:00]local district attorney, but generally they don't investigate these things. So in churches, when people grew up in churches, they'll often remember those old offering envelopes and you could check mark on it.If the money was go, you want to give to the church building fund or to missions different purposes. So if that money wasn't spent the way the donor intended that's possible fraud. And so Grassley his staff, they started to investigate, oh, 2006, there was elections. And the Democrats took control of the Senate.Grassley went from being the chairman of the Senate finance committee to being the ranking minority member. So then in 2007, 2008, Was the housing bubble burst? Well, there was bank [00:10:00]bailouts we had, how do you pay for it? That goes to the Senate finance committee, 2009, president Barack Obama and the Democrats pushed through Obamacare.Well, how are you going to pay for it? That goes to the Senate finance committee again. So this inquiry was sort of on the back burner for a long, long time. It did not turn out the way we wanted it to. When I suggested the Senate investigate, I was hoping that there would be hearings in the 1950s and in the 1960s, there were two big congressional hearings into organized crime.Some of these mafia bosses were subpoenaed to testify before Congress, and you can watch some of the old videos on YouTube. They recorded on film back in the day, but that is what we were hoping. We were hoping to bring exposure. What happens is when these televangelists [00:11:00] often people around them don't want to go public.So you don't find out certain details until they reach the courtroom when somebody is under oath. And so we thought by forcing televangelists to testify, we could, they could be grilled with the right questions. And and so they could be like asked did the church pay for your cosmetic surgery?When you flew the jet on this date to The Bahamas that was that for a personal vacation? Did you reimburse the church for use of that jet? I mean, these were the kinds of things that we wanted to bring into the public, but there were ended up being no hearings, but in the meantime, I did property searches, corporation searches of these ministries.And we forward that information to the us Senate. One of the things [00:12:00] that we discovered was a number of these people were operating businesses from inside their churches. Paula white had a company, Paula white enterprises, and that physical address was her church. So is her business paying the church rent for use of the facility?These are the kinds of question that an investigator would ask. And a lot of people don't know this, but churches are required to pay taxes on certain unrelated business income. So if a church is doing something like they have a facility that they're renting out it could be taxable income. Now the laws are weird.There are loopholes. If a building is paid off and you rent it out, It's not taxable. If you are paying or paying a note on a building and you rent it out, then it's taxable. It's [00:13:00] backwards in my opinion. But there's a form that nonprofits and churches are required to file for this kind of revenue.And it's called a nine 90 T and it discloses unrelated business income. We concluded that could have been the smoking gun that could have brought down a number of televangelists, that there are having revenue that they're not reporting. That is not taxed. There's a really gigantic story. I cannot disclose right now, but it's the investigations into this key issue and it involves hundreds of millions of dollars.De'Vannon: Now, before we thank you for that, for that rundown. And I love. I don't know, man. I love what you're doing. That the revelation of this is so heavy though, because as I was reading through your site and everything and listening to, I also want to give a a shout [00:14:00] out to our girl, Tanya Levine, down there in Australia.She's in Sydney, Australia, and she has a podcast called leaving hill song. I discovered her on the discovery plus channel documentary. It's like Hillsong exposed or something like that. It's called it's a three-part documentary. And Tanya Levine was being interviewed in the documentary. She's the author of a book, I think it's called leaving Hillsong two or something like that.And and she has a podcast called leaving heels, a song, and Barry did a three-part interview with Tanya on there. So that's how I discovered Barry. And so in Hillsong church is going through all of this drama and stuff right now. But the information is like so heavy, you know, it really, really pains me that people go to churches for inspiration and to be inspired.And, you know, we put all this trust in these preachers, any, and so many times it's like, it's not, they don't, they didn't turn out to be who we [00:15:00] thought they are, but, you know, but when I think about it, as I'm listening to you speak Joyce Meyer, proximal dollar, why would I assume that there wouldn't be money mismanagement?You didn't say that there is, but I'm like w we, we just afford a certain level of trust of these people because we believe they're supposed to be, we haven't looked into the books. We don't know what's going on behind the scenes. We just assume because they are a preacher that they're doing shit. Right.And that's not necessarily the case. Barry: Well, in the case of the six TV ministries that the Senate tried to investigate none of them filed a form 990 and this financial disclosure document. You can obtain them at websites like GuideStar pro-public as a nonprofit search page and other places these [00:16:00] documents are a matter of public record.So a donor to one of these organizations can look and see where the money's going. And they, I believe in and donor responsibility. I believe that donors that regularly give to an organization, they should check it out, make sure that money's being properly spent. I mean, I understand that you're giving $20 a one-time donation or organization.You don't have to do a lot of research into it, but if you're like giving to a church for a year after year after year and involves thousands of dollars, you really should check them. So these, these nine nineties on the very first page, it includes total revenue, total expenses it'll report. If they have unrelated business income at a report, the number of total number of board members and it'll report the total number of independent board members.And that's really critical. Oh, wait, [00:17:00] one more thing. There's a couple of different kinds of nine nineties. There's a nine 90 N, which is called a postcard nine 90 for organizations that have only a small amount of revenue. I forget the amount, if it's 50,000 or a hundred thousand dollars or less, that you, you could file the, the postcard nine 90, then there's a nine 90 easy.I think it's up to $250,000 revenue, but I have to verify that you, you can file a nine 90 Z and then of course, the nine 90 regular nine 90. So we look at those documents in the nine 90 also includes a statement of revenue page. So it explains what were the revenues coming from? Is it from like general contributions?Is it from a related organization? Things like that investment income, rental income there is a statement of expenses page. So it'll it'll list things like legal [00:18:00] expenses. So if you see a large amount of legal expenses, you know, that the organization may be going through litigation, maybe they're suing someone or they're fighting a lawsuit.Then there is travel expenses, if that's really high and they may have. So those are some of the things that stand out on, I think it's page four. It there's a, a yes or no question if the organization has foreign bank or financial accounts. And then if they answer yes, the line below they list what country it's in, and sometimes they'll use a country code, or sometimes I'll write out the country.So if you see Cayman islands, right, there's like a red flag. Are they involved in off shore money laundering? Those kinds of questions come up occasionally. But some of the things I look for it lists related organizations that again, that those [00:19:00] money can be moved back and forth through relater organizations, shell companies, limited liability companies.And so you mentioned the whole song podcast. One of the things that I investigated heal song was their use of limited liability companies. De'Vannon: Wait, wait, sorry to cut you off with that. We want it to I did mention the LLC and I do want to get, get to that, but I want to touch on Lakewood church first because that's like like what is like a pet peeve of mine and everything like that.I love your passion for what you're doing and I can see why. I can see why you have like a jewel in your eyes and your voice and everything. And, you know I'm happy you came across the whole Murdoch thing all those years ago that sets you on this course because who knew that such a time, like this would come where we have all of this [00:20:00] church fuckery happening.So we're going to, we are going to get on Hillsong in just a second, but I wanted to just start with Lakewood church first, because this is near and dear to my heart because I talk about. Quite often in extensively in my memoir about how I used to be a big volunteer there. Then I was dismissed fired from volunteering because I'm not straight.And so this interview is not really focusing on the way Lakewood dehumanizes people behind the scenes and stuff like that. This is to, this is more like a a financially corrupt based show, what we're talking about today. But I liked to talk about Lakewood in this aspect. I really want to start with them because a lot of churches of various sizes look to Lakewood since they're the largest church in the country.So when I've attended other churches before the preachers would always talk about Joel Olsteen and how they want to be like. And so the things that he's doing, there are [00:21:00] things that other churches will mimic. You know, if you go to different churches, they'll notice a practice at church X churches, each church, Jay, and then they'll incorporate it into their own corporation.And so so I really wanted to kind of dissect some of the things about Lakewood before we get into Hillsong. And I think it's a very cute correlation because, you know, Joel and Brian Houston, Brian Houston, the whale, I kind of the pastor hill song, he had to step down. There's a whole scandal going on over there.You know, they were always good buddies, you know they would send Darlene check the worship leader from Hillsong over the Lakewood. And then they within the Cindy Cruz red cliff, the worship leader at Lakewood over to Hillsong and then Joel and Brian, I think I saw them on a telecast together. So they're all buddy, buddy and shit.And so. So I wanted to start with Lakewood and segue with the Hillsong because of the way they liked to hold those two churches, like the whole hands and go skipping down the Lilly brushes and everything like that while they run over people [00:22:00] along the way. And so so in, so, so Lakewood, the way they let's talk about that, the way they filed their, their board of directors.So many churches have this whole thing that, you know, you would think, how shall I say you would think that there's a whole like, okay. So when I was a member of the university Presbyterian church here in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, over at LSU, it was the most transparent church have ever been to. You can see where all the money's going.They have this thing called the session that votes on things. And then when it's major decisions, actually the whole congregation can get together and vote. And this is not the case in these large churches. Their filings read things like the corporations you'll have no members in the case of Lakewood.So just to talk about fat. So they originally were [00:23:00] incorporated in 1959, I believe it was. So just bring this up to present and talk about this whole, the way these boards are, or, and then let's get very granular with how it is currently at Lakewood.Barry: Like you said the church was Lakewood church was founded in 1959.It was originally a Southern Methodist church. And eventually they amended their articles of incorporation so that the church became an independent nondenominational church. They changed the name of it. I forget what the original name was eventually and. 2006. When they amended the articles of incorporation, it included this language.This is amendment or article number two, the corporation hereby elects to have a sole member for the limited purposes and with only the [00:24:00] duties, right. And powers set out in the corporation's bylaws in the ordinary course of business, any action that would otherwise require a vote of members requires only a vote of the board of directors and no meeting or vote of members is required all rights that otherwise would vest in the members vest and the direct and the directors.So there's different forms of church governance. Originally it seems, it looks like the church had maybe A congregational model where the members would vote, vote on how the money was spent. I would have to go back and look at the original articles of corporation to verify that, but that was a typically how most Southern Baptist churches were started, were congregational.Some churches are hierarchal, like for example, the Catholic church, you have a Pope [00:25:00] then archbishops then bishops blow them. And so the decisions are made top down. But started with one person. Sometimes there's organizations where one person makes all decisions and that's called a corporation sole.There is he'll when not Hillsong. There is this approach that Lakewood church takes. I like to call it the board of directors model. They. Has specific people that make the key decisions. And in this case, they are almost all family members. The one exception at Lakewood church is the treasurer.Noel Keller is the only non O'Steen family member. That's on the board of directors. And this is a really critical issue. For example just say that the board of [00:26:00] directors were to vote on the salaries, approving the salaries of the people on the board. You don't have any independent board members, so you would have possibly a family member voting on someone else's pay.I mean, Lisa, Lisa comes as Joel Osteen's sister, her and her husband are on the board. Joel and Victoria are on the board. And then Noel killer. So on a nine 90 form for, to get churches are not required to file these, but on a 990, I think it's schedule J or the schedule right after that. There's this place where it indicates how the compensation is decided for key people.And it you'll look in to see if there's a box check mark for independent [00:27:00] compensation committee, a compensation consultant. So in some of the large churches a person can legally get paid a lot of money. If you bring in a compensation consultant, they perform a study. They the board reviews their study.Then the person that's going to be voted on leaves the room. And then they vote on that person's compensation and report it and the recording and the board notes. That's how to legally get paid a huge amount of money at a nonprofit, not just churches, but all nonprofits. The IRS has really shot themselves in the foot by not properly defining excessive compensation years ago, the NFL was a nonprofit organization and Roger Goodell you know, however you pronounce his name.He was paid like over $30 million a year. And as a nonprofit, that's just insane. [00:28:00] But and he was able to do that because they would compare his compensation with that other CEOs, other not non-profits. So you know, like what church church is governance model. You have this family. And who is going to hold the family responsible.That is why it's very critical to have an independent board of directors. De'Vannon: You know, when you, when you mentioned how the, how the salaries that the church has mimic that of the secular world, it just, it really strikes a bitter chord within me because it's, it just echoes back to how, when it's convenient, the church wants to be like the world with.When they want to [00:29:00] cast judgment, then it's not okay to be like the world. So we don't want you to drink alcohol or do drugs or fuck outside of marriage because that's what they do over in the world. But I'll take that, that, that that I've seen salary, you know, like they have over in the world because, you know, we need a model to go by.Right. So might as well pull it from the world. And so, and so, yeah, you can tell this really pisses me off because you know, we sat there and we'd give all this money to these churches and, you know, just blindly, but we don't have any control or any power over what the fuck happens and why, why would anybody knowingly want to do that?And this is different. Okay. So like if you're working for somebody at a job. They're paying you to be there. Okay. In exchange for your time, that company has a board of directors and they don't give a fuck about what you think either, unless you have stock in the company and then they may not [00:30:00] ask you them, but at least you going to church, you're not being paid to come there.You're paying them in the decision that they make affect so much stuff. So here in the case of Lakewood, you've got Joe Victoria, Kevin, I think Paul's brother might be on the, on the damn board to making all the decisions. Okay. In the way the language is written, they're not, they don't give a fuck about what any of the members have to say.They want all the members to come there and the people around the world to send money. And then this, this group of five or whatever are going to make all the decisions and just, just the end of it. And then your opinion doesn't matter. So it's left up to the people to decide whether this is the sort of thing that they're okay with.We're not necessarily whether it's good or bad, it's up to you. But I didn't know this. When I was a member of Lakewood church, I did notice that they would make decisions like they would send, say like Paul, cause he's a doctor medical [00:31:00] doctor on missions trips to Africa, say with his family. And I would be thinking, well, I would have loved to have gone on that missions trip.No one asked me if I could go. It was just the thing that was decided. Nobody said, Hey members, is it okay if we spend church funds to send him and his family on this missions trip, it was just done. And so, and that's just the way it is. And a lot of these churches, like you give us the money because we're holy and we hear from heaven and everything like that better than you do.And then we're going to make all of these decisions. I was once. Okay. With that. There's no way I would be okay with that again. Barry: Yes, maybe either. My dad was a Baptist minister, so I grew up in the church and the church that I attended it was a congregational governance model. One Wednesday night, a month, there'd be a church business meeting.And there'll be a church financial statement. So you can see where the, how much money came in and where it was spent. [00:32:00] And members would vote each year to approve the budget. My dad's salary was disclosed to the public. No, my dad was uncomfortable with that, but he knew that the church needed to be transparent.And my dad was not getting rich from being a minister in a church, but a lot of people you don't, when you read the Bible, you don't necessarily see a congregation. Governance model. So you have some people say this is not biblical as if just because something may not be listed in the Bible doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong.So I think God can work through all kinds of different governance models, but I I'm convinced that you need transparency and accountability. And if you lack neither, you're creating an environment where [00:33:00] fraud can abound, De'Vannon: right? So let me take this further with Lakewood. So in your, on your website, you have an article it's called million dollar homes, become status symbols of televangelists and past.So on the one hand and you get very granular, you show 'em like satellite imagery of people's houses. You have Joel and Victoria's house in there. You have a couple of other ministers house on there and you say how much it's worth, you know, so on and so forth. Now, in the case of Joe, you know, you also mentioned that they have another house in California.I found that interesting that you, you, you, you had to use an informant to find this information out. I don't know why it would be such clandestine information. Why do you think he wouldn't want people to know? He has another million dollar home somewhere? Barry: People have multiple reasons for hiding their [00:34:00] address.So in the state of Texas Texas has higher property taxes than a lot of states. I believe because Texas does not have a a state income tax. But in the state of Texas each county has a, what's called a an appraisal district. So in Houston, Houston is in Harris county. So you can go to that website, Harris county, appraisal district, and you can put in a person's name or the name of a business, and you can look up their property.In the case of people who are celebrities, people that have had death threats a lot of politicians have their information redacted, so you can't find them by searching my name. Okay. So there are other methods you have to use [00:35:00] to find their address. I'm not going to go into all that. So I don't want to clue in the televangelists to some of our investigative techniques, but so.And Harris county. There is a property that, where Joel Osteen owns it. There's another one there that I'm not sure if he owns it or not. We didn't go too into detail and our article, but there's a house. And again, I don't know who lives there. It may be a sister. It may be his mom. I don't know if he owns it and runs it out there.I think he has another house, but I'm not certain about it. But they were previously in shell companies. They registered them there and this is a way of trying to have more privacy. I get that there are certain people that [00:36:00] don't want people driving by their house trying to find them they want privacy.I get that. But It can be a technique use for more sinister purposes and we'll get that to that later. I'm. Sure. So we had an informant tell us that Joel had a house in California, and once we found out that, and we knew that it was not far from the Pacific ocean, I was on a tear. I was going through realtor websites, looking at recently sold houses that were expensive.Try and find our, this is a gated community who bought it or was it a registered to a shell company? Oh, it was just crazy, but we did not have the right time period. He had lived in a house longer than we suspected, so I missed it in my research [00:37:00] eventually an informant, let us know where it was, but The house.There was a real estate website that estimated it to be worth 5 million. But should a pastor live in these kinds of expensive homes and expenses? The mansion's, there's a Bible verse where Jesus said not to lay up treasures for yourselves here on earth, but to store that up in heaven. And when you've got a televangelist, maybe spending over $10 million on a couple of homes, he maybe could have spent that money a lot more frugally and helped people with it.I think televangelists that are acquiring massive wealth are being disobedient descriptive. One of the [00:38:00] craziest cases I've investigated is that a guy named David Sarillo, he is president of the inspirational network many years ago, that was PTL, which was a TV network that Jim baker started after Jim baker scandals.It changed which ownership, but David Cirillo and 12 years was compensated $41 million. Yeah. Inspirational network is a non-profit organization. And so I would love to say the IRS revoked the tax exempt status of his organization. I really would. I'm hoping that one day they do De'Vannon: so I don't. So I hear what you're saying about how you don't feel like creatures.Have a lot of money. I, I kind of agree with it. I kind of don't. So like [00:39:00] if they, if they take it like a salary from the church, I think I agree with you. Like what you're saying. If they make their money separately, like Joel and Victoria sing too, if they want to go buy expensive shit. I don't feel like that it is for me to control what they spend their money on.But a lot of people agree with your perspective though, because the optics of it looks, it looks bad to a lot of people. They just, a lot of people just can not get past the fact that the preacher lives, that sort of lifestyle in there seeing, you know, rubbing elbows with celebrities and stars and everything like that.It's like, okay, what is the difference? So I don't think you're wrong for thinking that way, but you know, but speaking of speaking of optics though, and I do want to remind people just how much church, a lot, like Lakewood is a family business, you know, When I was there filming my docu-series and everything like that, which is about to come up on my website Texas roads and jesus.com, that [00:40:00] website I noticed that night, they now have pictures of like Joel and Victoria and their children, you know, Jonathan, you know, you know, plastered all over the, all over the building inside, you know, just reminding you in my opinion of whose fucking house it is, you know, and everything like that.And so I get, it's a generational thing you had, I think it was John O'Steen who handed the reigns to Joel and clearly they intended the handed to, to, to, to Joe's son, the Jonathan I'm like, okay, It just, it just hit me. So like, like a slap in the face though. I'm like, okay. So when they stand on the stage, they're like, okay, you are Lakewood.They had the same going for awhile. Hashtag I am Lakewood, many companies do that. I am Verizon. I am the gap, whatever you want to say to the mindfuck people to make, make them feel like they are part of your organization when really they're kind of not because they're bankrolling your organization. You know, I am the gap blow.You're saying that because you want [00:41:00] me to keep paying and buying your clothes. And so so how am I part of the Lakewood family, if I'm paying money in ties and offerings, but you only got five family members making all the damn decisions, you know, I'm a part of the family, but my opinion doesn't count.And again, this isn't just Lakewood. You have a lot of churches, you know, run this way. This here is just like probably the highest example in the land. So speaking of optics though, I wanted to touch on their whole PPP loan. Thing scandal issues that they had. Because when I heard that, that really, really, really pissed me off because I believe that just because you can doesn't mean you should, and God knows our government is fucking corrupt.So the government allowed churches that do not pay taxes to get money because of the coronavirus. My thing was, you don't have any money invested [00:42:00] into the tax pot because you don't fucking pay taxes. That's the one, secondly, all of y'all are rich enough. And I think the loan was still like five, four or five, 6 million.I'm all like y'all got this money. You are not broke even if, even if Joel inventory or somebody, if it wasn't me. And I was. To avoid the appearance of evil. Like the Bible says I would not have taken money from the government. If I was the leader of a church, when I already could have covered that personally, just to not risk turning people away from Christ, somebody may have been discouraged in their faith because the richest church in the country took a loan from the government.When you had small businesses, like I have small businesses that couldn't get a fucking PPP loan and needed it. Yet. You have a church where you have millionaires, who could have bankrolled that who chose not to talk about that. Barry: [00:43:00] And early 20, 20, I think it was February or March. The national lockdown happened for a couple of weeks.And then after that various cities and states started also doing some lock Downing themselves. So the paycheck protection program PPP that was designed so that small businesses and nonprofits could maintain so they could retain their employees. That was the key idea behind, behind the paycheck protection program.And after it was instituted, it was a failure in how it was set up. There was not proper screening. There's been a massive amount of fraud in the program, and these were forgivable loans. So w or had the potential to be forgiven. So the S the small [00:44:00] business administration working with a bunch of financial institutions provided these loans.The churches and ministries would follow an application. And in my own research that basically there were two A lot of them got loans in 2020 and 2021. So over a hundred million dollars ended up going to churches with broadcast ministries things like that. So Lakewood, they got alone.And then because of the bad media coverage, they paid it back. And they were not the only one when journalists filed a foyer request. That means freedom of information act when they filed those to get the list of recipients [00:45:00] then it became. And so you could go to I think it was a small business administration website to look them up.Then ProPublica created a PPP search page, which you could find it with a search engine and you could type in names of ministries at your hearing office and see if they got money. So we've got a trade foundation. We got contacted by insight edition. Because some journalists were looking at religious organizations and they're curious about televangelists getting them well, when the, when I found out that that we could search the list of PPP recipients, I went wild on those searches.I did probably 200 searches in a one week. And so we, we found out that word of God fellowship. That's that business name for Daystar television network. They got it. Well, what's crazy about it [00:46:00] was right after they got their PPP loan. They purchased a jet. So I'm inside edition. Want to do an expo say on that.And they contacted they star Marcus lamb for an interview and he declined. So then they knew they're going to get him. It would be a hostile interview, unwanted. So a stakeout interview. So we'd try to find out when and where he would be. And so that involves surveillance. Oh yes. But investigate them times.So we found out that he was going to be at a golf course. They had a golf tournament, Daystar golf tournament. So they stars camera crew. They were the producer, Lisa Guerrero. And the camera may, we're all in this van. And my boss and I were in other cars uh, monitoring friend Marcus would drive up to the golf course.And we missed him. He was in a black [00:47:00] sports car when normally he wasn't in that vehicle. And so we did not catch him. They saw him when he got out of the vehicle in the parking lot, they ran over, pulled out their camera and she got her interview estimate a couple of questions before he entered the country club.And so that was fun doing that exposition, the investigation, De'Vannon: oh my God, Jesus Christ. video1491811222: As De'Vannon: I pray for people who are confused religiously, who've looked at all of these things happen and I pray that they find it's like spiritual peace because it's very, very upsetting the people to. Now you and I are on the same page.I love me some good investigative journalism. You know, let's find the damn scandal in in [00:48:00]everything like that. Let's find the damn scandal let's get after and let's dig into it. But there are people who are really like, like I was angry, say over like what Lakewood did with, there are people who were probably like devastated and broken hearted and probably crying somewhere because they're idle, you know, Joel Olsteen, you know, you know, allow something like this to happen.You know, I preach a lot of spiritual independence. I want people to be able to go to God for themselves, whether without a church, you know, and to put pastors in their place, which is beneath the God, do you know? Which sometimes a lot of times we'll make idols out of pastors before we realize it.So So, so, so, so my heart, you know, in my soul and my, and my love and love really goes out to people who feel confused and heartbroken. And like, they may not want to believe in God because of what these people have done. But remember Joe, you know, Marcus lamb over at bay [00:49:00] star, you know, and everybody in Joni lamb and everybody, and, you know, Brian Houston and everybody, these are just people y'all and like people, they gonna fuck up.Now, what you're not going to get from most preachers is an apology or an admission of guilt. Most of them do not tend to do that. That's just the way they are. And so, but remember they are human. They are not the Lord and whatever it is that they do, they did that. Every word that comes out of their mouth is not going to be divided.So you got to learn how to go to God for yourself and remember that no matter what these people do, don't let that shake up your faith. Like don't, don't, don't let them cause you to miss heaven and a peaceful life. So don't be like, well, God, I'm not gonna fuck with you because of what Joel did or what, because Creflo dollar did they stole from the church out?Could they, you know, I did that when I got kicked out of Lakewood for not being straight and it took me five or six years before I was reconciled to God because I was not, I wasn't spiritually mature and I don't want to see anybody else [00:50:00] fall into having a gap in their spiritual life because of what a church did now, before we get into Hillsong, which is next, I want you to just tell people what a shell corporation is.Barry: Shell company is a company to it may not have any business purpose. It's just to hold an asset. So in the case of some of these televangelists we investigate, they will have a shell company that owns a jet. And so if you type in, if you go to the FAA flight registry, that's the federal aviation administration, there's a search page and you can type in the names of churches and ministries.And if you were to type in world air H E I R you'll find, I believe [00:51:00] two jets and that company is headed up by Creflo dollar. So he has two aircraft and a shell company.De'Vannon: So why not put those aircraft? I hear it, you know, under the church's name because, so are they his, or they belong to the church? Barry: I am not clear on it. Some cases the church or ministry can own the, the shell company. It can be a related entity and typically in a 990, they will list related organizations at the very end.But again, if a church is not disclosing and as a shell company, you wouldn't know about it years ago, ed young, Jr. He is the pastor of fellowship church in grapevine, Texas. His [00:52:00] he had a jet registered to a shell company and I don't even remember the name of it. It was a really obscure name. It's not something that you'd think of and just type in a search engine from what I remember.But so I mean, some of them, they don't want their donors to know that they live extravagantly, that they have a jet. That's just something. If the members know it, they may not be as inclined to get. De'Vannon: Well, I'm thankful for your website, because as I said, at the beginning of this interview, we have our opinions, but what I want the world to do is to make your own opinion.You know, you've got to do your own research, pray about it and see, and stop going to these churches. Does it giving them blind trust? No matter how cute they are, how flashy the worship is, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. If that let them hit. And the ties you, you know, and do your research and have your head in the game.So he'll song that is going to be the last thing we're going to talk about during this interview. We're going to have to [00:53:00] have you back on again. I love how the conversation has gone. I love how so full of knowledge you are and how that sparked his lights up in you. I believe Sarah, you are assuming you identify, you know, Sri.I hate to, I don't like to use a lot of servers and ma'am sometimes they slip out, but you know, I feel like you are. Doing exactly what you were put on this earth to do like your energy, you feel perfectly centered, balanced, and aligned. And would you agree? Barry: There's a verse in Ephesians that I'm going to paraphrase.It sent, I believe it's, five about exposing sin, bring it to the light and its true nature is revealed. I believe this verse justifies Christian investigative reporting. And I believe that Christian journalists, Christian media can play a powerful role in exposing sin in Christianity and calling for [00:54:00]greater transparency and accountability that accountability.So it really is a mission and a mission from God to expose this kind of fraud that send the body of Christ and extravagant lifestyles and other. De'Vannon: And you have to be very, very strong. The did your line of work because you know, people like that, a very rich and powerful, and they're not accustomed to being accountable.Nobody around them is challenging them or anything like that in that used to being told no. So you have a lot of forces working against you, you know, and to get up, you know, and to go to work every day and a dude with a smile on your face, you know, with the, with the grace that you have led to me know that God is with you because.I know another thing, a lot of high circles, you are not celebrated, you know, you serve, I make, can I call you, sir? Is that appropriately? [00:55:00] You know, you, sir are not celebrated a lot of the enemy, right. As am I, but you know what I'm, I want to be a friend of, you know, the people who don't have the people who are trying to figure it out.Do you know? And things like that, you know, I've been homeless before. I've been to jail a bunch of times I got felonies and stuff like that, you know, in a lot of that happened because I didn't have knowledge and I'm not going to let that happen to someone else. And neither are you. Everything you're doing is about knowledge and empowering the individual to know what they're getting themselves into.So Hillsong church now y'all this year, the scandal that is ongoing Hillsong church. I didn't know this till I saw that documentary. They got all these campuses worldwide. I didn't know. I knew about the campus in Austria. But I didn't know about all of this other shit they got going on. So this is evolving.So tell us Barry about their limited liability corporation setup. Barry: Well [00:56:00] in the course of investigations, when a church becomes really popular there, my curiosity guides me. And so when a church gets really popular, I'll just take a quick look at them just to see what's up. Do they have related companies?Things like that, do they have they're on an aircraft? So, I mean, I'll go to the FAA website, looking for Hillsong aircraft, never found any, as far as I know, they don't own any. They do use charter aircraft. There's a company in Australia. They use, I don't remember the name, but in the case of Hillsong well let me back up.There's a company called visit pedia and Busia PDF is a business. Corporations search site, you can find out a company, if they're registered in different states, things like that. And you can search by name of company, name of officers and [00:57:00] address. And so visit PDF is a key website in my investigative arsenal when I do investigations.So I go there and type in Hillsong. And I discover that they are red. They've got a number of listings in Virginia, for example, Virginia companies. Well then from there, I go to the Virginia secretary of state website and it was puzzling to me because I discovered a number of their churches were registered as limited liability companies.Now, what is a big trend in business? Is that companies will separate assets and they'll use limited liability companies to protect those assets. There's less people to suit that way. For example, if you have a church with a business of, [00:58:00] with a, with a a board of directors, like Lakewood church, if you Sue the church, you could end up suing all six board members.In the case of suing a Hillsong church in the U S like Hillsong NYC, LLC, that's seal you'll saw in New York city, you may have one or two managers listed. They don't have a full board of directors. And so it limits how many people get sued. Also it limits how many people have accountant can provide accountability.If you've got one manager who are they accountable to? It's a big. So I actually asked a person that worked for the IRS. If this was legal. I was curious and he said, yes, it is. He wish it wasn't. But a lot of churches are creating shell companies. These limited [00:59:00] liability companies to hold the asset of the building.So their property will be put in an LLC. So if the church is sued, if they have a judgment against the church, then you don't have to lose all their assets. Just the one that was involved in the the legal issue. So this has become a standard practice. So in, in the course of investigating were do two things well, more than that, but two of the big things is we're trying to follow the power.I'm trying to follow the money, follow the power. I mean, by that. Find out, identify who the key decision makers are. So that's why you look for a board of directors and that's, and for incorporated organizations for LLCs, they have articles of organization, not incorporation, they're not a corporation and it will list their [01:00:00] typically list, their manager on these documents.So then after we find out, identify their, their company or organization names, then we can dig even deeper into property searches to find assets. And in the state of Arizona, I did a search and I found a large number of property listings and P H X holdings is a company that Hillsong set up and, and Maricopa county Arizona.To hold property. And so when you see a large number of property listings, it can be a little misleading. So some of these are multiple lots property, lots that make up a parking lot, multiple lots to make up a large building. They even have some vacant lots. [01:01:00] There, there are no pro no buildings on them for maybe future expansion, but they have 30, I think, 31 listings and or did at one time in Maricopa county.So, and that was for two of their large churches also. That was where Hillsong college was. I think they're going to be moving it to California in the future, but so those are some of the things that I discovered in the course of examining Hillsong Hillsong is a very. Personality driven church.It's famous for its worship teams. They have multiple Hillsong worship teams. One's Hillsong United and there's Hillsong young and free. They've sold, I believe over 20 million albums worldwide. So that they're well-known for their worship songs that are sung in a lot of churches and are played on Christian radio.[01:02:00] But in the United States Carl Lentz was pastor of Hillsong NYC in New York city and he became like a celebrity. He developed relationships with actors, singers people like Justin Bieber and got a lot of media attention for it. And people would flock to their churches. It'd be like going to a rock concert.There was a sex scandal there. He had an affair cheated on his wife was fired. We believe he's being rehabilitated. We think he's going to be possibly leading a church in Florida and soon that spelt created with arc association of related churches. There's nothing been disclosed yet, as far as I know, but that's what [01:03:00] it looks like.But Hillsong was founded in Australia. I believe you previously mentioned that. Frank Houston, the father of Brian Houston was involved in the assemblies of God. A well-known leader in that denomination in Australia and Brian started an independent church that he left the assemblies of God.And this is a common thing. When you leave certain denominations, you can have less accountability. Brian's dad, Frank sexually abused some boys, and this has become a big scandal. So, and certain for certain crimes, a [01:04:00] pastor as called a mandatory reporter. If they learn of specific crimes, they're reported, they're required to report them to law enforcement.And that would be, if you learn about a murder or you learn about certain sex crimes you have to report it and he failed to report his own. I mean, I would be the first admit that would be very difficult, but it's the right thing to do. And because he failed to do it it ended up being litigation and finally an investigation.And so we're waiting to see what the sentence will be. He could serve jail time and Australia for that. When you look at Virginia, the secretary of state website, and when you look in some of the other websites, you'll notice that Hillsong had a number of companies and we're going back to what we've mentioned earlier.They have a Hillsong music as one of their companies. [01:05:00] They had a Hillsong channel was, was that a TV channel right now. It's I don't think it's on cable anywhere, or maybe you have, it is it's maybe just an Australia. They have a streaming channel online, but they, they were previously in a relationship with TBN and that ended TBN handled the, the broadcast cable infrastructure for Hillsong channel and that's gone away heal song.There there's so much money that can be made from this and it can be traced. Some of these decisions can be traced to Carl Lentz. His dad Stephen Lintz was an attorney he worked for on pat Robertson many years ago. He taught various courses classes at Regent university [01:06:00] and he wrote a book, the business of church.And in this church, he invited. Pastors on issues like copyright and how to protect assets, the limited liability companies. And so, I mean, he advises pastors that if you can actually own the copyright for your sermons, your intellectual property, and then license it to the church. So I mean the church that I grew up in, if somebody wanted to buy a copy of a sermon years ago, they could get an on a cassette tape or CD for a dollar or two.I mean, the church wasn't interested in making money from it. It would just cover their costs. But now they're, they're, they're doing licensing of this content. They can put it on a website behind a paywall, for example, and you can become a subscriber to listen to their sermons. Now, some [01:07:00]churches put it up there for.Some people post to YouTube, et cetera, but sometimes they'll turn their sermon series into a book that can have a ghost writer, listen to the sermons and write a book. So there's this business. And so in the course of Hillsong, they're mimicking the business world. It's like the church is becoming a business and there there's some interesting Bible verses about this.And second Peter chapter two, verse three Peter's talking about false teachers that would be in the church. And he said that if you read this in the king James version, it says that these teachers, they will make merchandise of you. They have turned the church into a market. It's no different than when Jesus entered the temple many years ago and threw out the money [01:08:00] changers.So what happened in the temple? They would do sacrifices. And if you didn't have a sacrifice, if you traveled to Jerusalem from far away, you may not have been able to bring an animal to sacrifice. So you'd buy one. So they were selling sheep at the temple. They turned it into a marketplace and Jesus throughout the money changers.So if you read that same verse second, Peter two verse three, and like the new living translation, it says something like this in their greed, they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. It's one of my favorite verses about religious frog. De'Vannon: You ain't lying. And you know, the thing is, you know, while they're trying to.Judge, you know, my community for not being straight, calling us all pedophiles and stuff like that. You know, they themselves are found within these pages, in my opinion, much more clear verbiage [01:09:00] and wording than what they try to use to condemn me because I don't identify as straight. I heard what you said about how they get a ghost writer to listen to their sermons and write a book.I'm so glad you said that because I had read one of Joel hostings book. When I was still a member there and I was like, I read through it. And I was like, gosh, I got a sworn. I heard this like in a sermon before. And you know, and so I knew that what the kids, so there's like a system. Okay. So if you write a different sermon most weeks, what, most weeks out of the year, that that could be how they keep pooping out these books again.And again, and again, every time you write a little sermon, you put them together, you got another book, another best seller. So then you're not necessarily getting totally fresh content with, with each of these books. It's just got a different cover on it. A few little shallow ass personal stories that make it feel like they're being authentic and vulnerable [01:10:00] with you.And really they're not. And and shit like that. So you just validated me. I'm like, I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it.So, okay, so we're going to end this first interview here, people out there listening, you know, you've heard what Barry and I've had to say, and this is only the beginning. We're going to do this again. You can go over to the leaving hill song podcasts with Tanya Levine and listen to more of what Barry has to say.You can also go to the discovery plus app or discovery channel plus app. However the fuck you say it and find the Hillsong documentary there. And that, that motherfuck is full of some spicy hot tea. I was clutching my pearls, rip them off, had to go buy a new set and come back again. I watched all three of those one hour episodes twice, and I'm going to watch them again [01:11:00] because I've got some interviews coming up with some people from off the documentary that I was fortunate enough to land.So Mary, thank you so much for coming on this first time. You're you already well-traveled of knowledge like. You're a river, a river like deep well of information. I love how invested you are in what you do. And you have true joy for your calling. And not a lot of people can say that. Do you have any last words for the world today?Barry: Can't think of anythingDe'Vannon: so you don't have to because it will be talking again. So y'all his name is Barry Bowen. You want me to tell them your Twitter handle or that you can? Okay. So he's on Twitter. He's simply at Berry Bowen. He likes to keep things, you know, easiest, simple. Now the website, we can get all the tea and the information is a Trinity F I bad org, which stands for Trinity foundation [01:12:00]international for short.So just tryna FII that org, it will all go into showing notes of blessings upon you all. Thank you, Barry. And everyone listen out for the second installment of this conversation. Thank you for coming on the show today.Thank you all so much for taking time to listen to the sex drugs and Jesus podcast. It really means everything to me. Look, if you love the show, you can find more information and resources at sex, drugs, and jesus.com or wherever you listen to your podcast. Feel free to reach out to me directly at DeVannon@SexDrugsAndJesus.com and on Twitter and Facebook as well.My name is De'Vannon and it's been wonderful being your host today and just remember that everything is going to be all right. 

INTRODUCTION:Luanne loves unpacking tough subject matter that others may find hard to discuss. She's drawn to gritty realism and believes there are others out there who share her curiosity about taboo topics. Luanne has a witty sense of humor and loves finding ways to connect with other people.  Luanne is originally from Kentucky and spent her career as a creative writing and film professor at West Chester University outside Philadelphia. She has published literary fiction and poetry in journals, and she continues to write her own work as well as editing these three anthologies: Runaway, Taboos and Transgressions: Stories of Wrongdoings and the one we are currently working on, Muddy Backroads: Stories From Off the Beaten Path. Luanne likes gritty writing, and she champions women writers who are often criticized for tackling darker subjects in fiction. Her fiction has appeared in Puerto del Sol, The Texas Review, Oxford Magazine and other literary journals and anthologies. She has published poetry and nonfiction as well. Luanne has hosted well-received AWP Conference panels focused on women writers and the challenges women face writing gritty material and bad-ass female characters. She last presented a panel on the double-standard women writers encounter compared to men when writing sexual content. Luanne still has her Kentucky accent and her blue collar upbringing stays with her in spite of over 30 years as an academic. The lady has a good sense of humor, even if she prefers gritty writing, and she has way more tattoos than what her mother approved of. INCLUDED IN THIS EPISODE (But not limited to):·      An Argument in Favor of Tattoos·      The Importance of Living True to Yourself ·      Insight Into the Writing Process·      Coming Out Through Writing·      My Advice to Republicans·      The True Meaning of Freedom·      Is God a Stickler for Rules?·      Jerry Falwell Jr. Fuckery·      Challenging Religious Bullshit·      Why We Need to Get Over Pastors and Church LeadershipCONNECT WITH LUANNE: Website: https://luanne-smith.comFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/luanne.smith.562 CONNECT WITH DE'VANNON: Website: https://www.SexDrugsAndJesus.comYouTube: https://bit.ly/3daTqCMFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/SexDrugsAndJesus/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sexdrugsandjesuspodcast/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TabooTopixLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/devannonEmail: DeVannon@SexDrugsAndJesus.com DE'VANNON'S RECOMMENDATIONS:·      Pray Away Documentary (NETFLIX)o  https://www.netflix.com/title/81040370o  TRAILER: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk_CqGVfxEs ·      Upwork: https://www.upwork.com ·      FreeUp: https://freeup.net ·      Disabled American Veterans (DAV): https://www.dav.org ·      American Legion: https://www.legion.org  INTERESTED IN PODCASTING OR BEING A GUEST?:·      PodMatch is awesome! This application streamlines the process of finding guests for your show and also helps you find shows to be a guest on. The PodMatch Community is a part of this and that is where you can ask questions and get help from an entire network of people so that you save both money and time on your podcasting journey.https://podmatch.com/signup/devannon TRANSCRIPT:[00:00:00]You're listening to the sex drugs and Jesus podcast, where we discuss whatever the fuck we want to! And yes, we can put sex and drugs and Jesus all in the same bed and still be all right at the end of the day. My name is De'Vannon and I'll be interviewing guests from every corner of this world as we dig into topics that are too risqué for the morning show, as we strive to help you understand what's really going on in your life.There is nothing off the table and we've got a lot to talk about. So let's dive right into this episode.De'Vannon: Hey everyone. And welcome back to the sex drugs and Jesus podcast. I'm so thankful to have you with me again. One more week today, I'm talking with a lady by the name of Luanne Smith and she is an author and an editor and she's here to tell us all about her newest book, taboos and transgressions stories of wrongdoings, a title like that. It really speaks for itself. Does it not? Now this conversation is gritty. It is real. It is loving. It [00:01:00] is everything you needed to be in so much more. And this episode, we're going to get into an argument in favor of tattoos. We're gonna talk about the importance of living true to yourself, and then talk about whether or not God is really a stickler for the rules, like conservatives, try to make him seem. And then the most darling story is shared with us by Luanne about how her former students. Came out through writing and storytelling and it is just the cutest thing I've ever heard. And I cannot wait for you to hear it. I just know you're going to get a lot out of this episode. Well, hello, Luanne darling. Welcome to the sex jugs in Jesus pod. Luanne: Dan, how are ya? De'Vannon: I'm fucking fantastic. How about yourself? Luanne: Doing great. Doing great. De'Vannon: Yeah, like we were talking before we press that we're card button then I'm. I'm jealous of you bitch. Cause you were in fucking Florida or Donnie and knife and I'm in goddamn Baton Rouge, Louisiana at a high today [00:02:00] is like 43 fucking whole degrees.Luanne: I think I like we're getting up to 75 today, so I'm in the t-shirt and shorts, so, De'Vannon: If it weren't for this pandemic, I might be recording from Miami or at leastLuanne: that would be so nice. Wouldn't. De'Vannon: our Los Angeles. My favorite city is Los Angeles. Baton Rouge is not, is not going to do it for me. I cannot wait to move back to California, but here we are today. We're going to be talking about some of your writing. Now you've gifted the world with three books. One's called runaway. The other one is taboos and transgressions stories of wrongdoings.And I think there's one in the works called I think like muddy Backroads or something like, Luanne: yeah. Just finishing it up now. De'Vannon: so tell us tell us about your, your history and why you're drawn to [00:03:00] these taboo books.Luanne: I'm not sure. I grew up working class in Kentucky and, and I kinda like work that's down and dirty myself to read you know, and, and has a little grip to. And so when I started a work editing these books.I wanted the stories. I liked to read the ones that have a little grit to them. And, and the runaway story kind of had a funny or runaway book kind of had a funny beginning because I was telling a story about running away.When I was a kid, my grandfather told me that I would that five-year-olds will get arrested if they cross the street. And so I was afraid to cross the street when I ran away from home and I would just walk up and down, back and forth across the front of the yard. When I ran away and somebody was laughing about that and said, you should do a book on runaway stories. So it, it, it got more gritty than it did from that little. Funny story. You [00:04:00] know and so we I worked with Lee Zacharias and Michael gills, and we put that book together and then I was listening to a podcast or listening to a masterclass online and with Joyce, Carol Oates, and she was talking about writing taboos and I thought, what a great idea you know, and so it just kind of evolved all of them just kind of evolved, but they're the kind of stories I like to read and, and try to write myself so. De'Vannon: okay, so you, I'm sorry. You had to away from home. Tell me what was going on that makes you feel like you couldn't stay.Luanne: Oh, I actually, I had a pretty good childhood. It's not like that. It's but it's I was a stubborn little kid and I'm still a stubborn little adult now. You know, and I always wanted my way. And so I, I would run away from home every now and then just to, you know, because I get mad at mom. And, and so I'd take off [00:05:00] you know, so that story's not gritty unfortunately, or fortunately, I guess is the better word to say it, but you know you know, it's just me being a, a little brat more than anything else. De'Vannon: So, so when you would run away, how long would you stay gone? Where would you go?Luanne: I would go?to the edge of the yard as close as I could get to the street. I had a dog that would let me get very close to the street cause she'd had a puppy that got run over. So she would stay between me and the street and run away with me. And she'd push against me if I got too close to the street for her taste and, and push me back into the yard. And so I just walked back and forth with my little barbecue is filled with the you know, and, and it, it wasn't running away, running away. It was just me as a kid thinking I was running away more than anything else. De'Vannon: [00:06:00] Okay. So then the people who you find for these books that are this, all all true stories or is any of it fiction?Luanne: Mostly it's fiction?mostly it's fiction, we're taboos. We've got a couple of true stories in there about, for the most part they're fictional stories. And we just that's what I write and that's what I taught for a long time. And so that's what I leaned towards. You know, but we did have a couple of a true stories coming in for taboos and, and that in particular was a good addition to the piece.I think we had one or two true stories with runaway and we're, we definitely got a couple in Murray Backroads that are true stories as well. So. De'Vannon: Okay. So for the ones who were the truth stories Did you find that they, did they say that they got out of the stories as either they achieve any [00:07:00] sort of like emotional release from.Luanne: Oh, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. They got a emotional release or psychological release from.being able to write their stories and share it. They also wanted to reach out to people who had had similar stories you know, and, and let them know that you can get through it whatever it happens to be.And, and you can survive it. You know, even if it's something of your own making that is a taboo that you broke. But you know, you can, can. Manage it. And so they definitely wanted to exercise their own demons as same time that they wanted to reach out and make other people feel what they had been through to some extent De'Vannon: Hmm. So then I'm curious though, the two that we're going to be talking about later in particular, that stood out to me as one that's called from, from the taboos and transgressions book at one is called exit stage [00:08:00] by I think it was Chavis woods. And then the other one is the towel of good families by Sonata, Kamala, or either one of those are true story that you remember.Luanne: the one from Komal is a true story. Yeah. The what does it fall Tao of? De'Vannon: towel of good families.Luanne: Good families. Yeah. And yeah, that one is, is a non-fiction all the way through. So that was her story, her experience. De'Vannon: Yeah. Read it, read it very real. And I was very, very drawn to that. So I can't wait to, to dive into that one. So all of all the books that you've come across in written of the true stories that you've heard, what, what, which one was the darkest one or the one that stood out to you the most. Yes.Luanne: Well that one is that one's an empowering story. The one you mentioned before I think that the the darker ones are the ones where they're dealing with sexual abuse in some way you know, or, or Parental abandonment you know, that type of [00:09:00] thing. And a lot of those stories people write into memoir.They haven't necessarily sent into this particular, these particular anthologies. But you know, I think I don't know if a should awards PR piece on exit stage is true or not, but I know that she grew up in a small. Middle America town as a gay punk kid. And so she had it rough for a while, you know, with, with that sort of being judged situation. And so I think that the story exit stage hits close to home. So I don't know that it is true. I think it hits close to home in terms of what her life was, was like growing up in middle America outwardly gay and outwardly you know, with the shaved hair and you know, trying to deliver a life authentically as she wanted to. You know, but she would [00:10:00] go into St. Louis. To, to find people like her you know, herself, and then she would deal with the bullies when she got back home. And so it was a tough, tough existence, I think. And that's a very common thing, unfortunately. I think you know, and so I think that writing is something that's very important.She's got a couple of books out and I think they're very important in terms of the statement they make about the, trying to grow up a little bit different. So.De'Vannon: No worries. Do you find people to submit. There are true stories for these books. Is there a, like some sort of forum or a hub, or it's just like through word of mouth or.Luanne: A lot of social media, a lot of word of mouth there's a, a big conference of writers called AWP that happens every spring course with COVID, it's been virtual, but that's where you connect up with a lot of people and get the word [00:11:00] out that you're looking for stories. And then I also solicited some stories. I solicited the piece asked, Chavisa to send me a piece she would. And she sent in exit stage. And I, I have asked Louis Alberto urea is giving us one for Back roads that I'm working on. Now that's a true story and it's a funny story, but it's a true story about trying to find lake Walden and, and ended up with a cow pond and said you know, and so it's, it's combination combination of asking writers that I know writers that I'm interested in.And then also just getting word out through social media as much as possible that we're looking for manuscripts. And, and what are we S we do a little write-up to tell everybody what we're looking for. And then they decide whether or.not to submit based on that. [00:12:00]De'Vannon: Okay. Now when you, yeah, I heard you used the word gritty a couple of times. So Luanne: Yeah. De'Vannon: what, what, what is, what is gritty to you? Like what, what do you mean by that? Exactly.Luanne: Doesn't pull conscious, you know, it doesn't back off of the tough subjects. Doesn't back off of anything, you know, makes a point of going on through and telling the story, whether the story is hard to tell or hard to read or disturbing in some way, we certainly have a couple of stories in taboos that are disturbing stories.Certainly not feel good stories at all. You know, and, and that's the kind of stuff I like to read. It's as a Southern writer, myself, there's a air. Of Southern writing that's referred to as Brit lit and grit lit is, is the tougher side of a writing. And that's where you find Dorothy, Alison and [00:13:00] writers like that, that right. Sort of sometimes the poor experience growing up in the cell sometimes you know, the experience of, of just trying to survive in a rural environment without having much to live on. And you know, the, the grit lit is what I gravitate towards because in some ways I had a great childhood, I did grow up blue collar and I did grow up without a lot of things.And it's just something that speaks to me a little bit. I think. De'Vannon: That's thinking of when you were growing up. I read about when I was researching you, I read about you where you felt like you had more tattoos than your mother approved of Luanne: Yeah, De'Vannon: when did you start to start to get tattoos or what age?Luanne: I was, I was about 30, I think when I got my first one, but that would have been 1989. So I kind of hit it just as a trend was [00:14:00] starting, I think you know, though I was older than most of the people that were getting tattoos at that time. And I got my first one and now I've got to. 10 to 12, including a sleeve on one arm.And just got a new one on the wrist about two months ago. So I tend to keep going you know, with those tattoos now. Yeah, and that was a little bit of a different thing to do if you're a college professor. But you know, that's assists who I am and I, I appreciate anybody who lives authentically and is true to themselves.And I've tried to live my life that way as well. Sometimes you, you rub people the wrong way when you do that. You know, but that's tough. That's this is me. This is who I am. Kind of thing.De'Vannon: Yeah. So going with the tattoos, there was some sort of issue that you had in the early [00:15:00] nineties. As I understand that there was some problems with like the students and the staff at a university, like he just said, it's not really a thing. A college professor does. What sort of controversy happened over your tattoos at work?Luanne: They had a little bit of an issue with me being tattooed with having specifically having tattoos that show that didn't feel like it was a very professional thing. And, and it was mentioned to me a few times nobody ever came down on me in terms of I might lose my job or something like that, but it was kind of one of those sideways conversations that I had with people that were over me in terms of you know, who they are.And then you have most of the time the students were cool with it. They didn't. You know, but the, the staff that wanted me to look professional and, and you know, that type of thing, I wore jeans and t-shirts and sneakers and had tattoos. I never looked professional a day in my life, as far as I know. You know, cause [00:16:00] it's just me. But I think when you teach creative writing, need to be a little bit more informal because the students are critiquing each other's work. And, and it's gotta be a comfortable environment for them. So for me to be there living my life, the way I choose to live it, it brought out there.Possibilities for living their own lives. I saw that in somebody that was an authority figure and I think it helped a couple of students you know, but I might just be patting myself on the back. I don't know, but I think it did help with a couple of students who thought, well, she could be in this position and have the tattoos and dress the way she dresses and, and be true to herself.Then I can be true to myself too and, and make a living and, and be the person I want to be. So, you know, that was the message I was trying to send out. And and I think it did help with a couple of students. Even if my bosses didn't [00:17:00] approve too much. De'Vannon: How do you know they didn't approve? What, like, what did they, what did they say to you?Luanne: They would ask me if there was certain kind of meeting to cover up so that my tattoos didn't show, or they would ask me to they call me the wild child. You?know, and there are just couple of things that you know, they would say to me, that sort of let me know that they weren't approving of this. You know, they would say, oh, another tattoo Gran, huh. You know, and it was looking down their nose at me for doing that kind of thing. It's changing. Now, there are a lot of younger professors who come in with all kinds of tattoos. So this was just a sort of a nineties thing where they were reacting and didn't quite know what to do with a tattooed professor. Now. A lot more tattooed professors than what they ever expected. I think so. It's, it's acceptable. De'Vannon: Yeah. I [00:18:00] mean, it reminds me of how, when I it's, like, it's almost like a uniform violation that they kind of were treating you, you know? So you weren't meeting the code. Luanne: Exactly. Yeah. De'Vannon: Dress and appearance. Yeah. W every pretty much every job I've ever had, I had some sort of snafu in terms of dress and appearance.And this is like one of the main reasons. I'm glad I don't work around people anymore because I just don't have the tolerance for the bullshit though. When I was in the military, I had piercings. So that's when I started hanging out in tattoo shops and stuff like that. It's a family, it's like a family community vibe in those tattoo shops and stuff like that. Not to mention that they can get addictive. never got a tattoo. I was more of a piercer. I was into the Luanne: Yeah. De'Vannon: blood. I almost got kicked out of the military for wearing piercings in uniform and, you know, and stuff like that. I knew it was wrong, but I was like, fuck it [00:19:00] in. And maybe there is a common thread there. Commonality amongst people who like to get piercings and who tend to have kind of like a fuck it mentality.Luanne: Yeah, I hope so. I hope I have a fuck it mentality. De'Vannon: And then I also, I've always used the word button down shirts. Cause I had these like, you know, like jobs that, you know, was like more like white collar and stuff. And I used to like always, I do like the first three, four buttons, so I could have like a lot of my chest out. Cause I was a vein veiny on their veins.They're very vain young man. Hey, it was what it was. I always least that likes to have the testicles out there going a little side boob here and there. When I worked at. I worked at the call center it's center point energy and Houston, Texas. And the, the floor managers would come around and tell me, make me button my shirt up and shit all the time.And [00:20:00] I fuck you, bitch.You know, you're already tied down to the damn phone. You can't get up and go piss or like jerk off or nothing without the damn phone. And now you can't have your titties out if you want to. Oh, this is just repressed worsewithin my boss. And I worked for the Texas workforce commission was totally cool about it. You know, I was meeting my numbers. You can give a shit. If I had my tits out, she was like, I think they look great.And so never forget her. She was a good, good, good fucking boss. One of the few that I've ever had in my life Luanne: Yeah. De'Vannon: anyway that, that that's my little there. So so what, so, so you, so you've written [00:21:00] all these books, you have like blogs and stuff on your website. Is there things you want your readers to learn and gain from the body of work that you have.Luanne: Well, we've been talking about it that authenticity, that be true to yourself, you know, and, and that's I think the More what I try to say with my own work than anything else. And I think the one of my teachers a long time ago when I was a creative writing student said my characters are all sort of these alienated Indi individuals. You know, and I I think he was right about that because they're, they're trying to live a life that a lot of normal society or whatever you want to call, it doesn't necessarily accept. You know. and I think that that's going up against the, the grain, there is something that's common thread in my work and in what I like to read you know, and, and It's not intentional.It just, it's just what comes out. When [00:22:00] I sit down to write, it's just what I like to read. You know, and, and I don't do it as a political statement. I do it as, as someone who's just always been a little bit different and always will be a little bit different. I, you know, and, and just keep going with that. Those are the people I gravitate towards are ones that are who they are, you knowDe'Vannon: I want to know. So from your, have you ever had anyone who has read any of your books, reach out to you and give you a testimony of how their life changed?Luanne: I had students do that for sure. You know, and, and they've, they've either read some of my work or they've been in my class where they've heard my talk about. Pushing the story to be what it needs to be. You know, I've had students come out as gay in my class. I've had students tell me afterwards that they've changed their mind for what they want to do with their career.Cause it's never what they [00:23:00] wanted to do anyway. You know, and so I've had this students certainly follow their own lives a little bit more closely after van and class, I'm not trying to paint myself as any kind of a hero or anything like that. You know, it's just that, that I think if you're, if you're doing it right as a teacher, you do more than just teach what's in the books to learn.You teach something about life lessons as well. You know, and, and if you reach some students, that's great. That's great. This is one of the reasons I'd never be able to teach in high school, but those parents will be after me all the time with what I want to doDe'Vannon: So when you say they came out as gay, so that they like stand up in the middle of class and be like, Hey, I want everyone to know that I'm gay. How exactly did they come out?Luanne: and their work in the writing. They came out as gay in their writing and, and came up and told me and asked if it was okay. For them to share this work that, you [00:24:00] know, and would tell me this first time they're telling anybody about this. And I would say, okay, well, we'll be very gentle not critique too hard and, and make sure that this is a comfortable space for you. You know, and, and it was usually a very accepting space for them. And, and so they, they you know, I've definitely had, I would say probably over the years, four or five students that came out?in the class through their writing De'Vannon: So how many students were in the class average size. Luanne: size.of the class was about 20 students per class. De'Vannon: So they were reading what they had written out loud for everyone else.Luanne: They pass out copies of what they had written and everybody had copies and to take home and read and read and write their responses the stories. You know and then we'd come back the next week and talk about the stories and make suggestions if we felt like anything needed to be changed. [00:25:00]De'Vannon: Well, hot damn a literary coming out. Luanne: Yeah. De'Vannon: Hey, that takes a lot of brave braveness. I think braveness is the word. It takes a lot of braveness and boldness to come out in any kind of way. You know, if you feel like that, that's something that you want to do. Huh. And then perhaps you could write about it. Luanne: Yeah, absolutely. De'Vannon: let me think about this.I guess if there's someone out there who feels like they need, need to come out and they don't want to tell whoever, maybe they could write a nice story, you know, write it out just a little bit more. Thorough than like a text in a sitting at tech food B kind of like a personal letter to somebody.Luanne: yeah. Personal letter or even a fictional story is release of of everything you've been holding in. You know, and so I think that [00:26:00] it's voice, it's a matter of voice it's, it's being able to speak and speak a truth that you experienced. You know, and I think that that's, that's part of the reason I like the gray stuff.It speaks truth. That's not out there very much. You know, and I think that Part of my own writing. I think I'm just trying to speak a truth about the way I see the world, the way I see people, you know, and I, I certainly think coming out in your writing is, is a way to get your voice out there. De'Vannon: Okay. So if someone's listening to this and they're saying. Shit. That sound like a good idea, but I'm not a great writer. What advice would you give to people in order to encourage them to hone their writing skills in this, you know, or to this doesn't have to be like something that's going to be like all, you know, a great manifesto or anything like that, you know?Is there any [00:27:00] advice you would give to people who may feel insecure about their ability to write effectively?Luanne: Yeah. The more you read the, the people you read they're your teachers more than anybody's standing up in front of the classroom and they'll teach you how to put up my dogs barking in the background. Sorry about that. They're the ones who will teach you how to create the sentence that says it needs to say. You know, and so yeah read as much as possible. the genre of writing that speaks to you and read as much as possible within that genre. And, and that's, that's where you're going to learn to write. Even in my composition classes, could usually tell which students were readers and which ones weren't because of their skill levels. And so it was very much a important of, of writing as spear reader as well. De'Vannon: Did I would add to that, you know, just [00:28:00] start, you know, even if you don't think it's going to come. Luanne: Oh, absolutely. De'Vannon: As polished or as nice sounding, just fucking began. Luanne: Yeah, De'Vannon: Cause you never know where it could go. And you're going to have to go back and redo it. Anyway, when I write, I like to just get something out there and then go back and then rearrange it and everything like that, and then begins kind of to be like putting a puzzle together in a way.And it gets to be fun and very relaxing.Luanne: absolutely. Absolutely. I always told my students that it was like throwing the clay on the pot, on the that you don't have the clay on the wheel to start with, if, And until you have a first draft of something you know, and then you start shaping it, then you start making it into something. So yeah, you're absolutely right.Just start, just do it. De'Vannon: And the good outline helps even if it's a simple, basic outline and it starts with the basic skeleton of an outline. And then you come back and add to each bullet point. Luanne: Yeah, [00:29:00]De'Vannon: You know, later on. So, so yeah, so it's a good to break it down into small chunkable little parts rather than looking at the whole big monster at one time, because that could be overwhelming.Luanne: absolutely. And don't take don't think about people reading it first drafts, or just think about what you want to say and then worry about people reading it and, and that sort of thing. After you get that first draft out there, say what you need to say first. De'Vannon: Right? And then you can be like fish. I said, what I saidLuanne: Exactly. Exactly. De'Vannon: on my memoir, that's getting ready to come out. Praise God. I think next month is going Luanne: Oh, awesome. De'Vannon: it's going for formatting in a week. And so, but I think I've I'm on like the eighth edit of it. So I never would've thought, but it takes a lot of editing and a lot of reworking and reworking and relooking.But Luanne: The domes. De'Vannon: full memoir. If you're just trying to write a coming out story, [00:30:00] honey, you only need a good page or two, Luanne: Yeah. De'Vannon: a whole 300 page or manifesto. Like what my memoir is like, it's not, you're not needed. Don't need to do all that. I think coming out is a beautiful thing for those people who choose to do it.I never did it because I have a different personality about that. I don't like to explain myself to people, but people have different value systems and different sort of communities and social backgrounds that they're coming from. So I get that too. So if somebody is listening and they're kind of like me and they're like, my attitude was like this.If I'm family, can't look at all of this, that's going on over here and you can't figure out that I'm not straight, then I don't know what the fuck is wrong with you because this is abundantly clear over here. So I've never bothered with coming out. I just thought it showing up a guy's like, yeah, either you accept this or you don't, if you don't then fuck you Luanne: sure. De'Vannon: get the fuck.So, but I know that there's a very masculine man out there for [00:31:00] instance, who are not feminine at all. And can't nobody look at them and tell them they're not. Luanne: Yeah. Yeah. De'Vannon: So they don't really have the luxury of being like, well, they should just be able to know that I'm not straight because he's so like macho masculine, so machismo and everything.So,Luanne: Still a personal choice. so you know, I mean, like I said, I think that you live in true to yourself. You're living to what you want to do you know, and if you want to come out in whatever way, great. If you are not comfortable doing that or you want to keep yourself in waves and that's your that's living true to yourself too, you know?So it's, it's a definitely personal choice.De'Vannon: so as I just don't want to let got us swerve back to something I asked about earlier, where you had made that statement and whatever it is, I was reading about what your mother, you had had more tattoos and your mother would approve of. Was that just kind of like a general statement you were making or did she actually say something about your tattoos?Luanne: [00:32:00] She would say with a cringe on her face, it's pretty, every time I show her a new one you know, she would, she would no, that was not a thing that she approved of at all. And I think my dad was, had already passed away when I got my first one, because he would have been absolutely upset about it. No, it's, it's you know, she was okay. I got one on my ankle, first one and, and, you know, one or two here or there, she was like, well, they don't show that much. So if that's okay. But now that I have ones that are. Very blatantly out there. I think she would she would not approve that at all. You know, it's just, why do you want to mark yourself up like that of thing? De'Vannon: Yeah. You know, when I was growing up in cherish, they would tell us not to get in the Pentecostal church without our recommend to no one. You know, they would tell us, you know, everything's wrong, everything's the devil, you know, piercings tattoos and stuff like that. And then they would use scripture [00:33:00] about, well, you know, the Lord says your body as a temple.So therefore you should respect that and getting tattoos and piercings the way of disrespecting your body. Okay. So what one would consider to be disrespectful or not is subjective. And so people say like your mom, like the people at church and everything, look at people with tattoos and want to judge them and everything like that.I think it's bullshit. And I think that it's reflective of people being made uncomfortable by things that that's just not like them.Luanne: Absolutely. Yeah, I agree totally that they, you know, they disapproved for whatever their personal reasons are and, and a lot of it has to do with, well, you're not acting the way I act. We're not seeing the world the way I see it. You know, and so therefore you're wrong and you're bad and all these other things.And unfortunately, I think that that's very [00:34:00] much how our society is right now. You know, and, and that's why I think, you know, finding people who are true to themselves is a rarity in some ways. You know, and, and I appreciate that. So, De'Vannon: It's all I want to offer this. Nugget of Liberty to people out there, which I don't know how many conservative people would be listening to, my show anyway, but just in case somebody might be considering abandoning their conservative ways. You can look at something or someone, you know, you don't really have to have an opinion about it one way or the other, Luanne: Yeah. De'Vannon: know, you don't have to like it or dislike it.You don't have to approve it or disapprove it. It could just exist and just leave with a fucking bad, like you don't have to, you don't have to, do anything. You don't have to say anything. You don't have to react. So I would say to Republicans that I liked that are shade at Republicans as they're the epitome of hate, [00:35:00] hate hypocrisy, judge judgment, being judgmental and all of that.So if a woman wants to get an abortion, Not your fucking business bitch. If Luanne: exactly. De'Vannon: a men want to get married, not your fucking business, how if somebody wants to get pat to shut the fuck up about it and go, it doesn't matter.Luanne: Mind your business live your life. You know, I agree that couldn't I, you said It perfectly.De'Vannon: It is so, but I think a lot of people who judge people don't understand how wrapped up in bondage they are by projecting their, that sort of judgment onto people, but that you can't give away what you don't have. So in order for you to try to corral and control people force them to live, like you want them to live means that you are in bondage yourself.Luanne: Absolutely. De'Vannon: And so you're not really free, [00:36:00] confident, Luanne: Hmm. De'Vannon: free people are like, say our straight allies like, well, I don't care if they're gay or not. It doesn't affect me. I'm, you know, I got other shit to do, know, that person is free Luanne: Yeah. Yeah. De'Vannon: a chord in them. And they see people living their life over there across the street somewhere, they don't feel enraged.Like they've got to go and do something about it because they are at one within themselves. Republicans are not at one within themselves, know, conservative people who want to comment on people's tattoos who thinks someone's skirts too short, who thinks And you don't understand the concept of sex positivity, you know, you know, in different things like that because you know what they have held within themselves.They are not whole, therefore they cannot allow the people to just fucking be happy. Luanne: Right, De'Vannon: They are happy. That's where it starts. The people are miserable and Republicans are just fucking miserable life. They're just unhappy the lot of them[00:37:00]though,Luanne: They live by a lot of rules. Yeah. You know, and. De'Vannon: go ahead.Luanne: I was going to say, that's, that's a, you know, one of the things I learned putting that taboos and theology together was the, the, the number of rules we have out there about how you're supposed to live your life. You know, and, and just how ridiculous it is, as long as you're not hurting anybody else, you know, De'Vannon: Right. Luanne: you know? Yeah. De'Vannon: But, you know, what the Lord, as much as it's, you know, he's not really as for rules, as people try to make him seem. Luanne: Yeah. De'Vannon: these, those, when he was here and let me see, you know, was an instance that happened in the old Testament when David was becoming king and he was on the run, you know, he made his way to the temple and he ate of the holy food.[00:38:00]He wasn't a priest him or the priest that was against the rules. But he, it was allowed to happen anyway, in then when Jesus was here on the earth, you know, he referenced back to that story because the, the Pharisees, the Sadducees, the religious people of the day, the conservative Christian leaders of his day were trying to tell him what you're doing is against the rule, sir.And he was like, what'd, you know, God didn't make people for rules, rules were made for people. Luanne: Yeah. De'Vannon: you adjust those rules and you do whatever it takes to keep people in community. You know, you don't be a stickler for the rules to the, to the, to, and then you exile people and discard people, but the rules stay intact, Luanne: Yeah. De'Vannon: you know, that's, that's not of God.And so when we get these fundamentalists people like a certain Supreme court justice, Amy called me Baird, you fucking con. And you know, and you know, different people like that, who. Forced, [00:39:00] you know, the world to stay in original rules, no matter what, we're not even a modicum of flexibility. You know, that that is not the way God works and that that's not the way he wants us to work with people.He wants us to take a second, look at things to readjust our views as time goes on not be rigid in unmovable.Luanne: Right, right. No. And you know, you absolutely got it right on, you know, I think that I mean I grew up in the south and I grew up in the Bible belt. You know, and so, and my dog is throwing a fit. I'm so sorry, you know, but That's all right, baby. But you know, it's, it's a. Yeah. know, you interpret the Bible the way you want to interpret a lot of people, I think. And know, and so it's, I want to these are the rules we live by, because that's how price said [00:40:00] to do it. Maybe look again at the Bible and what it actually said. Because it's, it's a little bit you know, interpreted wrong a lot of the time, I think.De'Vannon: I'm gonna just say this, and then we're going to move onto the towel of good families Huh. when it comes to and I don't mind the dog, you know what? People like a good organic compensation in this thing. And especially since the coronavirus came to town, everything's done over zoom from home. So people got all kinds of dogs, cats, kids, fucking jeopardy playing in the background, all kinds of things going on.It is what it is. So I was going to say, yeah, you know, You know, the crazy world we live in, you know, people who tout the name of God are also flinging AK AK for assault rifles and shit from the pulpit, you know, you're conservative Christian people. And then we have our Jerry Falwell's, Jerry Falwell juniors to be more specific.Actually, I don't know that much about his dad, but you know, I'm just going to put this out there. And Mr. Falwell [00:41:00] Jr. Decided to come out in his own, right. In an article disavowing, everything that he's basically done in terms of religion, he was like, I'm not spiritual. There was pressure on me to be spiritual.So yeah, that's why it's because the pool boy scandal caught up and then the picture with him, with his pants open with some woman who's not as wife and all of that. And so he finally. He was like, yeah, it was all a ruse. Anyway, it was bullshit. Fuck all this church shit. So y'all so y'all can go and look that up and then take a look and question yourself thoroughly as the, why you pay attention to conservative Christian people who call themselves Christians in the news the day, because they're full of shit.And so,Luanne: Yeah. De'Vannon: but keeping in line with religion, the towel, the towel that families by Sanai Kemal was, oh, I think that's a beautiful name. S O N I a H K M a L this story at the Stan and that happening in this story opens with her mother holding her [00:42:00] wooden prayer beads and shit like that, which was a beautiful, beautiful imagery in the sense that it's true.Luanne: Yeah. De'Vannon: So right there, you got like a, probably an overly religious woman, you know, already from the get-go. And this woman is telling her daughter not to talk the boys, you know, yada yada yada whoopee. Woo. Because in a lot of overseas religions, you know, men are put on a fucking pedestal and women are like underneath the dirt somewhere, you know, even lower than that.And honestly, in a lot of ways, that's how Christianity used to be. You know, I don't know. I don't, I wouldn't say it was to that extent, but say like in the Bible say women weren't counted. So when you see like tallies of numbers, of people that don't include females, they only counted the men. You know? So there's that, although the Bible is a middle Eastern texts, it's not American.So some people try to act like we wrote the book. We did not it's from the middle east. [00:43:00] So you have that influence going on. And so in this story here, this mother is telling her daughter all about what she can't do, because basically she is a female and she has these expectations that are being levied upon her and everything like that.But what I love about this story is this girl is clapping back at her parents, her mother and she's challenging them. So I'm going to read an excerpt from this. Luanne: Sure 'De'Vannon: cause she says, where in the Quran does it say girls can't smoke and voice can where in the Koran does it say boys can go topless, but girls can wear in the Koran.Does it say that my brother can have a telephone installed in his room, but I can't even get one, even though I'm nine years older than him.And she says she has yet to receive a proper answer or she gets their belief. Baleful gazes and admonitions to stop asking stupid questions. [00:44:00] They, what you want to say about that? Because I got a lot to say.Luanne: Yeah. I would say that to S to some extent, that's the heart of the story, you know, and, and the girl or, you know, she keeps it's not a fictional piece. It's a memoir and she keeps, keeps pushing and rebelling to the point where, I mean, she's almost, she's talking to boys almost immediately in the memoir, and then she has a boyfriend and, you know, she hears this rumor about the boyfriend's mother and, and.And, you know, if she were a good girl, she wouldn't have been in this situation at all, but she's you know, saying, why does it say.I have to act a certain way? Where, where does it say that I have to act like this? Like you said, and so I'm, I'm why I'm dying to hear what you have [00:45:00] to say. So have at it, baby. De'Vannon: Well, it reminds me of when I was growing up in church and they would tell us you're not supposed to drink in Dan's masturbate. I would be like we're in the Bible. Does it say that I can't drink for answers? I can see it arguing against access. That, I mean, excess, that makes sense because being drunk is not really all that fun.So I was just told to basically just be quiet and do what they say. And so there's a rise in people, and this is why people break away from religion is because when we see an accuracies things that don't add up and we question it, we're told to shut the fuck up when I was in seminary. Before I left the fucking teeth professor to straight up admitted.He was like, yeah, we intend to control the congregation. And I, and I was like, what? And they were like, yeah, that's what we do here that we want to control the congregation. I think he was coming from a Baptist background and I [00:46:00] was like, okay, this is why movies. Like the golden compass never got a second sequel because movies like that are all about like religious control.Luanne: Yeah. Yeah De'Vannon: It's like it, this is why like in my ministry my main encouragement to people is to break away from the need of like say pastors and preachers to interpret scripture and stuff like that. if you're going to follow the Koran, if you're going to follow the Hebrew Bible and people are coming up with laws and shit that they can't justify with scripture, the fuck are you doing.Luanne: yeah, yeah, exactly. De'Vannon: You know, now, at least though Kieron, the people who read it, read it in its original language Louann. the Bible that this Hebrew Bible here that, that, that Americans use and people use is not even written in its original language, Luanne: No. De'Vannon: three languages. The old Testament is Hebrew and Aramaic. And the new Testament is Greek.[00:47:00]And I don't know very many people who actually have read it and it's a native tongue. And so at best ed, best, most people who have these staunch beliefs and shit like that are getting them derived from somebody else's interpretation of someone else's book.Luanne: That's right. I mean, it's, that's exactly how it is. It's, it's an interpretation. You know, and, and how do I tell this story in another language, but you know, you got somebody else's opinions coming in when they translate and, and so it's, it's you don't know, you have no idea how much of their own opinion they put in there when they translated.And so, know, the original language is. How you should read it if possible.De'Vannon: You know, in this day and time you can just [00:48:00] Google single passages. Like, what does this bot, what does this part say in original than the original language? Or what's some commentary on this? You got to dig deeper. You never want a preacher because preachers cannot separate their upbringing and their personal. Belief systems from their message. They don't, it's all infused into it, but it's sold to you as a divine message from God. And it does not, it has a lot of what that preacher thinks, because if you listen to what preachers say, they'll often say things like, especially when they're challenged on something that they've said, they'll say, well, I wasn't raised that way.I wasn't brought up that way. When, whenever Joel Olsteen from, you know, from Lakewood church in Houston, Texas was first asked about his stance on homosexuality and maybe on the interview that him and Victoria, his wife did on Larry King. You know, I believe it was one of, one of his responses. Like he wasn't brought up that way, but see, the thing is, and I can talk about, you know, that church, cause that's the church that I was ministering at before I got kicked out for not being straight.So I'll talk all the shit about them that I want. Luanne: [00:49:00] Yeah. De'Vannon: You know, but the point is like, okay, were you supposed to be your preacher? We don't give a damn about who you were brought up. You know, your, your job is to get your fucking ass up there and tell us what thus sayeth the Lord, not what, not what thus say it, your upbringing, Luanne: Yeah. De'Vannon: you know, and by that logic, then everyone should just do what the fuck they were raised as, but he's not the first preacher I've heard say that.They said that all in Pentecostal church throughout my whole life, because they would say it in response to like their criticism, someone else there'll be like, well, those Catholics over there are those Baptist people over there are those gay people over there are those drug addicts over there. You know, they're living in sin.You know, I wasn't bought up that way. I just don't understand what they're doing. Well, bitch, you don't have to. And I've already discussed earlier wise, not necess a necessity for us to understand everybody else, but you know, this girl in this book is breaking away from the control that this religion is trying to have.Luanne: Right. De'Vannon: But so many [00:50:00] people, so many people don't and then what happens is we ended up living fake. We ended up curling, you know, regressing into ourselves. Okay. This translates into suicide depression, anxiety, a lot of the problems we have in this world today that are being treated with medicine really result from a lack of true self-love and self-acceptance and a lot of it starts with religion.Luanne: Yeah. I think you're very, very right about that. And, and a lot of it starts with being brought up a certain way. You know, and, and that not, not being who you are and, and kind of feeling the bondage you know, and not knowing how to break out of it. De'Vannon: Well, that's why I do my podcasts. That's why I've written my, my memoir, which is, as you would say, grit is full of a lot of grit and everything like that. And it. And in order to try to help people break free of this, because I see it so much, [00:51:00] I'm a licensed massage therapist. People would come to me for massages, but they would tell me all their personal problems.And it's the same thing. People are so unhappy, Luanne: Yeah, De'Vannon: know? And your book serves the same purpose. You're basically laying out a whole bunch of situations where people were not happy. Luanne: right, right. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. De'Vannon: it though? How did it change? Luanne: Yeah. De'Vannon: So going to happy. We can't stay that way.got to give, to read a little bit more from from Sinatra's story here because I absolutely love the way that this read. She can, he continues furthermore uh, do do not have a natural aversion to siren songs. There are such as Madonna, Cindy lopper and Samantha Fox. This worries my mother to know in, and she often remarks what'd you get family will accept the Madonna type as their daughter-in-law.My mother is [00:52:00] far from impressed. When I say that I might not accept such a prudish family. I tend to look up to the likes of Madonna. The fact that upsets my mother, most of all, since everyone, and anyone can see my supposedly loose morals in my neon leggings, my tie dye t-shirts under which I wear a black bra, my six and my six earrings in each ear, which I pierced myself, my bright red HANA, dyed hair.In fact, one of the reasons my mother gave permission to, to me to attend is, I don't know what L is to attend. Elle is because they have the, maybe there's a school there to attend. Elle is because they have a uniform of sorts, the only colors permitted or unembellished khaki, whites, and reds, and also no Western wear for girls.So. She's referring to like 1980s, 1990s, Madonna there with the tie dye with Luanne: Oh, yeah, De'Vannon: everything.[00:53:00]Oh, she gave so much a lie. I was like, come on Madonna, look like a Madonna has been getting a lot of shade from the gay community lately for this and that. But you know, Madonna could give two bucks less about it.Luanne: that's true. That's what makes her who she is. De'Vannon: She's like, I don't give a fuck. I'm Madonna bitch. Arthur song said, bitch, I'm Madonna.I know my God, this girl is just giving me so much a life. So she's bringing Madonna, Cindy lopper, a gay icon. Fag hag ruin is I don't think fag has, is a derogatory term. Some people in some parts of the world think fag has, is meant insultingly. I do not. If it, if you think fag hag is, is a bad word I'll say, I'm sorry for that, but, but it just, it's not meant in a negative way.And so but yeah, it was Madonna and Cindy law [00:54:00] or some of the world's greatest fag hags. She's trying to do this in the middle of a Quran or on society. Luanne: Yeah. De'Vannon: I don't know if she ever moved away from there. Do you know that she's still living?Luanne: in America now. I don't remember where exactly, but she's, she's teachers riding in America now. So she's and, and very successful writer. Yeah. This is another thing I found interesting about this book. I could tell it's a different writing styles across each of the stories and there's a good, like 20 stories I think in this. yeah, De'Vannon: It's different writing style. So it will appeal to very many different readers and different backgrounds of different lifestyles. So I'm glad that she left. I'm very, very glad that she left. And so I would, I would, I would preach that message to people, to people who are black, the black sheets out there, like I'm a total black sheep and I love it. It's like probably my favorite thing about myself. I love [00:55:00] being weird. I love being different.I don't want to do normal because it's boring and overrated and it's not even attractive, but instead of trying to an institution or a group of people to like you and my God sake for, you're not going to ever try to change herself so they can accept you because they never will because they don't like themselves.That's why they're trying to change you. Leave if you can, and it may take some planning, some preparation and prayer and all of that and Luanne: Yeah. De'Vannon: don't stay is like, let me say this, that I'm a hush. And then, so you can talk, but it's like gay people, non straight people are straight allies. If you're setting up in a church that is anti LGBTQ two S LGBTQ plus, they don't like the people.They don't think women should get abortions. They got this shit you don't like. And I, and I've done this. I've sat there too. Cause I felt like I needed to be a church because why? Because people told me I should go, go somewhere else, go to a gay affirming church, go to places that [00:56:00] are better, that you have people who are going to support you and celebrate you rather than to attack your lifestyle and stuff like that.You know? And then, you know, because you're hurting yourself. If you're not straight, why sat there and listened to a preacher, say that you're going to go to hell. Now we rationalize it and we go, okay, well I'll disagree with them on that, but I agree with everything else and we make concessions for it. Y you know, we shouldn't stay in abusive relationships.We shouldn't say it abusive churches, abusive companies, organizations. If, if, if, if the whole thing is in positive, when nothing's fully positive, let me not say that there's something that's a personal attack against you, or what you believe in and you should go. But what do you think? Cause that's what I'm seeing.You know, she left overseas and came to the place where she could thrive rather than trying to say. Yeah.Luanne: Oh, I, I completely agree with that. In a similar [00:57:00] vein, I guess when I was a kid, it was in the sixties and we were living in a small town in Kentucky and our church Southern Methodist church was a very small community, very small congregation but a black couple wanted to join. The church first black couple to ask to join the church and the elders did not want since the sixties, the elders did not want black couple in the church.And my parents who I would never say were activists in any way. My parents left the church at that time. And God bless them for that. You know, because they saw something where they said, this is not the right church for us, that doesn't accept people no matter what. And they left the church and it had been a big part of our lives that church had had been.And, you know, for them to walk away at that point I noticed, even though I was only like six years [00:58:00] old, I noticed, and I understood why and I think it it's had a big impact on who I became as time went on, you know, and, and know, exactly if it's, I liked what you said, if it's an abusive church or an abusive situation and abuse comes in many forms then walk away from it.And, and I think if, you know, that's, that's right on, if you can do it, if you can get away, get away. And, and my parents taught me that that's great, you know, De'Vannon: Right. My my boyfriend's mom did that for him and his brother. When when they were younger, I don't think they even had a chance to come out and say anything, but mothers know when they have gay children, they just do so when, when she had them in a church at first, it may be in, but when they started preaching against the [00:59:00] gayness, she was like, oh, hell no, I'm taking my children away from this.And they just never went back to any church at all, because, you know, why keep your kids in a situation like that, where they're going to get hurt. If something I wish, you know, my, my, you know, my mom did the best job. She knew how to do with her own set of circumstances. And I'm not mad at her and I don't hold anything against her.But knowing what I know now as an adult, you know, I don't, I wish that she would not have kept the meet in a church where they were preaching against homosexuality. Luanne: right. De'Vannon: No, or against really anything, you know, I don't want to go to church to hear how much you hate some person or some group of people. That's not what it's about.And and you know, I wish that my mom would have divorced my dad because he, as I understand that he had an affair when, when she was pregnant with me and he had definitely had one when I was in, when I was in grade school, you know, and of course he would be very [01:00:00] physically and verbally abusive to myself and my siblings and then verbally abusive to my mother as well.You know, this is a mean fucking man. And, you know, I looked at his affairs as a way out, you know, because according to Jesus, once you're married, if you get divorced for any reason, other than infidelity, that he considers you an adulterer, doesn't no matter what. Luanne: right, right. Yeah. De'Vannon: I get the straight conservative church world get divorced all the time.And that seems to be cool with them. And then, but then they didn't want to turn on the tap gay people. Then there's a whole other story there. But I feel like God was giving her a way out. I wish she had taken us out of that abusive home, Luanne: Yeah. Yeah, De'Vannon: trying to make it work. You know, the, the other option is to find a better atmosphere.You know, you got to Luanne: yeah, De'Vannon: the go, when to stay, when to go. And so oh my God. So. Hmm. So I'll just [01:01:00]recap that we'll always want to be sure that we challenged challenge anything. Anyone else's telling us, let's fact check it we don't want to put ourselves in a place where we're going to living a lie, whatever we want to live, be sure it's our own truth.Not someone else's Luanne: yeah. De'Vannon: let's put ourselves in places where we have freedom of expression so that we will Luanne: Yeah. Yeah, De'Vannon: that way. We have good mental health. We have joy to share with the world we're being the truth. We're living our truth. And we are, you know, we're not, we're not living a lie because that shit will show up later with bad health.It can manifest in your body, you know, in, in, in, in different ways like that, know, it's, it's, it's a very dangerous thing to live a lie.Luanne: yeah, yeah. I agree with you a hundred percent. And I think I think my parents did inadvertently teach me that though. They didn't realize that's the lesson I was getting from that. And I think but I think from, you know, from then on, I was like, [01:02:00] well stay away from the lies, you know, be who you are, be, who you are And try to live authentically.De'Vannon: And so then the last thing we'll talk quickly about was exit exit stage a lot of this reads really and it reads really real to me. You said you weren't sure if it, if it's, if it's fiction or nonfiction, it sounds very nonfictiony to me because I've lived through this life before and we're talking about snorting cocaine and this little snippet that I took, I thought it was kind of cool because of its accuracy.And so I would just read through it real quick. And so. It, it opens up with someone talking. It says never snort cocaine out of any bill smaller than a 20. The old man told her that's a lame, that's some loser shit right there. He took a drag of a cigarette and reached into his back pocket, retrieving a crisp $50 bill.And he held it between his fingers and snap it in her face so that it popped take girl, [01:03:00] use this. That's what you want to do your first line out of, oh, she reached out and took the bill, go easy on her. She don't know no better. Her mother told him, patting her daughter on the back. And so this is a cool story here of a mom.You know, you know, watching her daughter do a couple of lines of cocaine and then whoever, whoever this guy is being like, don't be a weak ass bitch. You know, you won't be lame. You don't do that shit out of like something greater than a 20, which is real as fuck, you know, Luanne: Oh, yeah. De'Vannon: You always want to roll up like a hundred dollar bill or something, you know, you want to just be like Tony Montana with his shit, you know, that's our face with itand we're going to do it at all. But, you know, she said she had a rough upbringing, you know, I, I read that with glee, but you know, it's not necessarily the best situation for, you know, a mother to be encouraging her daughter to do cocaine.I'm not [01:04:00] judging her for it, but,you know,Luanne: Well, it's, it's the same thing though. I mean, she's doing it because her mother wants her to, you know, and she wants to be a part of her mother's life. Does she really want to do it? Is that really who she is? We don't know, you know, and, and I think it's, it's a lot, I think that has ending of that story says a lot where she, she is obviously trying to please her mother and be close to her mother through her actions. You know, and so there's, there's a little bit of a problem there with that. You know, rather than being true to herself, she's being she thinks her mother wants her to be. You know, That's kind of, it, it's kind of the opposite of the other story that you liked in terms of what the daughter's doing. But it's the same, you know, same idea in some ways. Do I please mom, or do I please [01:05:00] myself? And then this one she tries to please, mom just sit mom is into cocaine rather than the Korean. De'Vannon: Well, religion's just as much of a drug.Luanne: Oh yeah, I think so too. Yeah. De'Vannon: You know, people try to throw so much shade at like drug addicts and stuff like that. And look, I've been that added with a needle, hanging out my arm and blood squirting everywhere. And I'm not even a fucking ashamed to say that, but you know, religion is a DELWP is fucking, I mean that negative leave, like a drug people get upset.And it dipped it to the process until the ritual, just like it's like a dope theme gets addicted to the process and the ritual of acquiring drugs, setting it all up, injecting it, people get high when they go to church every time, you know, and then they want to force that shit on other people. Luanne: Yeah. De'Vannon: no different now.It's cute. It's a cute addiction because you know, you're not covered in tattoos and a grimy place with [01:06:00] your arm and a belt wrapped around your bicycle to get the veins popped up and you don't have track marks all up and down your fucking body. Could you try to shoot up in all kinds of different places that you've blown out, all the veins in your arm, you know, you get to put on a pretty dress and go set up and cherish and judge other people.But bitch, you're strong out to.Luanne: Yeah. Yeah, no, I totally agree. It's, it's a, it's an escape. It's a way of looking for something outside of yourself. You know, and, and that's exactly what drugs do too, is sorta help you escape yourself. But certainly religious religion

Head Coach of @SMU_Football @rthettlashlee discusses becoming the next head coach at Southern Methodist and talks about the steps he is taking to keep SMU a winning a program

We are celebrating our sisters as we approach our annual Day of Giving on Friday, Nov. 12, just ahead of World Kindness Day. Tri Delta's Foundation Board Chair Stacey Cox, Southern Methodist, is joined by three alumnae who share why they give and how it makes a difference in the lives of their sisters. Lexi Leggs, Millikin, is a young alumna who received a scholarship as a collegian, which helped alleviate financial constraints so she could focus on her academics and chapter leadership. Leah Jochim, Ottawa, gives back to the Foundation through a company matching program which allows her to maximize her impact. And Executive Board Director Sandy Beach Lin, Toledo, has made a transformational gift to Tri Delta, centered around her passions for our DEI efforts, women in business and music as a part of our history. Hear these sisters' stories and learn how you, too, can invest in your sisters on our Day of Giving 2021!https://www.tridelta.org/tri-deltas-day-of-giving/

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Casey Barrett swam for Canada at the 1996 Atlanta Games in the 200 Fly, placing 11th. He was a 9x All American swimming for Southern California and Southern Methodist. In high school, Casey attended the Bolles School where he once survived 80x200's long course... Casey hung up his cap and goggles in 1998 but didn't go far. He is the winner of 3 Emmy awards and 1 Peabody award, serving as one of Bob Costas' Prime Time writers for NBC during the 2004, 2006, and 2008 Olympics. He is the author of the Duck Darley crime series and the co-founder of Imagine Swimming, a learn to swim school in New York City. You may also remember his swimming blog, Cap & Goggles. In 2015, he published this article about Katinka Hosszu. The Iron Lady promptly sued him and Swimming World Magazine for defamation, which she lost. Enjoy! 00:00 TINYURL.COM/SWIMNERD 00:30 Superior Swim Timing 01:00 Destro Swim Towers 01:40 Where are you 02:15 Alex Perry 03:10 Swimming Background 05:30 Happy swimmer? 07:00 Writing for Bob Costas 08:25 Covering Phelps' 8 Gold Medals 11:20 In the Athlete's Corner 13:30 Imagine Swimming, Lars Merseburg 18:45 Learn to Swim Monetization 21:50 Opposing view from Alex Perry 26:00 Putin swimming 200 Flys 30:20 International Swimming League 49:08 Hugs From Gary Hall Jr. 51:28 1996 Atlanta Closing Ceremony 54:34 Katinka Hosszu Defamation Lawsuit 01:07:15 Doping During the Pandemic 01:11:00 Financial Fraud 01:13:10 Covid Olympics SWIMNERD PACE CLOCK GIVEAWAY: Brett is giving away 2x Swimnerd Pace Clocks on the first night of US Olympic Trials. tinyurl.com/swimnerd DESTRO SWIM TOWERS: Save $150 per double swim tower by using the code "brett" at checkout! SUPERIOR SWIM TIMING: Run a swim meet with ease from your laptop. SST is fully compatible with Hy-Tek and Team Unify as well as Colorado, Daktronics, and Omega touchpads. Tell them Brett sent you! SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL REVIEW ON APPLE PODCASTS Connect: Find | Brett Hawke On Instagram @hawkebr on Twitter @insidewithbh On Facebook @insidewithbh Find | Casey Barrett On Twitter Subscribe & Listen: Apple Podcasts Google Spotify YouTube Produced by: SWIMNERD Supported by: Fitter & Faster --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/brett-hawke/message

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East Carolina outside linebacker Jireh Wilson spoke with reporters via Zoom after the Pirates defeated American Athletic Conference foe Southern Methodist on Saturday, Nov. 28, 2020, at Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium. Click media player below (AUDIO ONLY). JIREH WILSON:

East Carolina quarterback Holton Ahlers spoke with reporters via Zoom after the Pirates defeated American Athletic Conference foe Southern Methodist on Saturday, Nov. 28, 2020, at Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium. Click media player below (AUDIO ONLY). HOLTON AHLERS:

East Carolina coach Mike Houston spoke with reporters via Zoom after the Pirates defeated American Athletic Conference foe Southern Methodist on Saturday, Nov. 28, 2020, at Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium. Click media player below (AUDIO ONLY). MIKE HOUSTON:

Join Al Myatt and Kevin Monroe for the Bonesville Pregame Podcast as they look ahead to East Carolina’s Saturday matchup with American Athletic Conference foe Southern Methodist at Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium (12 p.m., ESPN+). Myatt and Monroe analyze the Pirates and their opponent ahead of kickoff each week. With decades of experience as a sports journalist, Myatt… [ More... ]

Coach Kent Stephenson joins us on the podcast this week sharing his memories collected over a 16-year coaching career. Coach Kent is the longest coach John has had in his career for 6 seasons. Stephenson was the Offensive line coach for the Pittsburgh Steelers from 1991-2000 after coaching in Seattle for the Seahawks from 1985-1991. Starting his professional career in USFL for the Michigan Panthers, Coach Kent began coaching for Wayne State which he graduated with a master's in History and Physical Education in 1965 the year our host John was born. He then moved on to North Dakota from 1969-1971 to Southern Methodist from 1972-1973 to Iowa from 1974-76, Oklahoma State from 1977-1978, and to Kansas from 1979-1982. John and Coach Kent speak on many shared memories from the games and practices in Pittsburgh and more. WATCH HERE - Please Like and Subscribe! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCirs5u7xmAlfFfMgaCSnTnA https://twitter.com/Off_LinePod https://www.instagram.com/off.linepod/ Listen Here theofflinepocast.com https://open.spotify.com/show/3I0VvOd5rVaGYtsiWNrvdh https://anchor.fm/offlinepod --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/offlinepod/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/offlinepod/support

Jim and Muff welcome Scott, the #1 Fan of Guest of Guests, back to the show to help with the NFL Breakdown this week in Nate's stead while listening to Scott's breakdown on the current state of Jets football. The guys maybe have their fastest Fast Five before digging into the opening week of Big Ten Football. Muff gives his opinion on the Penn State loss while Jim shares an interesting AssHat of the Week.

This episode of Making After-School Cool Podcast features Mr. Jerry Levias who became a civil right pioneer in 1965 as the  first African American scholarship athlete to play football at for Southern Methodist. Guest My guest today  Mr. Jerry LeVias, retried professional players, civil rights pioneers,  a youth advocate and a living hero among us. During this podcast you will learn more about the: Experience of being one of the first African Americans to play football at a major college in Texas Importance of a mentor or a support system during a difficult time Impact of professional athletes speaking out about social inequalities Decision educators must make on whether they should discuss racism, discrimination and injustice towards oppressed people with students Activities beyond reading that out-of-school practitioners can involve students in to learn about social justice issues Resources   Harris County Department of Education https://hcde-texas.org   CASE for Kids https://hcde-texas.org/afterschool-zone    

On today’s show we are reviewing “Yes to Life, in spite of everything “ by Viktor Frankl. Viktor Frankl is best known for hist book “man’s search for meaning “ which chronicles his discovery of the meaning of life during his 3 years in 5 different concentration camps during WW2. During that time he saw his parents killed and his pregnant wife. Somehow he managed to survive. The book Yes to Life was curated by Daniel Goleman who assembled a series of lectures given by Viktor Frankl in 1946, only a year after the end of the war, and before the publication of Frankl’s groundbreaking book. Daniel Goleman is a best selling author known for his own body of work including the books “Emotional Intelligence “, “Primal Leadership “ , “Focus”, and “Altered Traits” to name just a few. After the War, most people who survived the atrocities emigrated to start a new life rather than reintegrate in the community that allowed such horror to take place. Frankl on the other hand returned to his native Vienna where he became professor neurology and psychiatry at the University of Vienna. He would look into the eyes of colleagues who claimed ignorance of the Nazi machine, even when they were part of it. He developed a new body of work in understanding psychotherapy called logo therapy. He held visiting professorships at Harvard, Stanford, Southern Methodist and Duquesne universities. For four decades he made countless lecture tours all over the world. He received in total 29 honorary doctorates. He authored thirty-nine books which have been translated into 50 languages to date. The book “Yes to Life” brings forward some of Frankl’s clearest thinking in the immediate aftermath of the holocaust. In our social media infused, consumption driven, Netflix intoxicated world, we rarely slow down enough to ask existential questions. Frankl is clearly focused on answering the very fundamental question about the meaning of life. Since death is certain, does not life itself become meaningless? Does death not make all our beginnings seem pointless from the start, since nothing endures? Let’s ask the question the other way around. What if we were immortal? But if we were immortal we could postpone everything. It would never truly matter whether we did a particular thing right now or the next day or the day after or in a decade. There would be no reason to do something right now or experience something right now. There would be an infinite amount of time. The fact that we are mortal and our time is restricted and our possibilities are limited is what makes it meaningful to do something. Therefore our mortality form the background against which our act of being becomes a responsibility. We do not judge the life history of a particular by the number of pages in their life story, but by the richness of the content it contains. Every hour, every minute loads our existence with the weight of a terrible and yet beautiful responsibility. Any hour whose demands we do not fulfill, or fulfill halfheartedly, this hour is forfeited ,for all eternity. Life can only become more meaningful the more difficult it becomes. The athlete, the mountain climber who actively seeks more difficult tasks, creates difficulties for themselves. If life has meaning, then suffering must also have meaning. Our modern culture seems obsessed with having a happy life, a life free from stress with all the creature comforts. Compared with our great grandparents, most of us live like royalty, and yet how many are happy? Frankl makes the case with example after example that people created their own sense of meaning from within. They didn’t rely upon external circumstances to establish that sense of meaning. Their own agency created the meaning even under the most adverse conditions. Though written in 1946, these lectures stand as a timeless piece of work.

From an early age, Lacey Horn, Southern Methodist, knew she wanted to serve the Cherokee Nation, of which she is a citizen. She currently serves as CEO of Native Advisory, LLC, where she serves Tribal Leaders as a strategy and financial consultant. With her gifts and talents in financial matters and strategy, she has been able to serve her people and advance the work of other Tribes. Lacey reflects on the ability to understand herself through her own lens to best serve others. She provides encouragement and inspiration about knowing yourself and how all wins and losses provide learning experiences. As our world constantly changes, she insists on the importance of “just keep going” and to be especially brave, bold and kind. www.laceyhorn.com 

Danny Buraczeski, is Professor Emeritus of Dance at Southern Methodist  University. At SMU, he taught classic jazz dance technique, composition and choreography. A classic jazz stylist for over three decades, his work has traced a clear and deep investigation of jazz, its sources and its ongoing evolution. After a career on Broadway appearing in such musicals as MAME with Angela Lansbury and THE ACT with Liza Minnelli, he founded the original New York City based JAZZDANCE in 1979. Based in the Twin Cities of Minneapolis/St. Paul from 1992-2005, the company performed at leading concert halls and festivals in more than 35 states, in Europe, Russia and the Caribbean.Buraczeski’s choreography has been commissioned by the Walker Art Center, the Joyce Theater, the Library of Congress, the American Dance Festival, the Bates Dance Festival and the Jacob’s Pillow Dance Festival. Buraczeski was named Artist of the Year in 2000 by the Minneapolis StarTribune. He has received multiple fellowships from the National Endowment for the Arts, for whom he is now a regular panelist/consultant.

The Monday edition of the Locked on Longhorns Podcast opens up with the idea of sports coming back soon. NASCAR and golf returned over the weekend, how far off could other sports be? The first what if scenario discussion with the idea of Nick Saban actually taking the job at the University of Texas following the 2012 season. What would the Texas Longhorns look like with Saban at the helm?What if the Longhorns would have gone with Shane Buechele over Sam Ehlinger? Following the game against Notre Dame in 2016, the Longhorns looked to have found their quarterback of the next several seasons. However, Tom Herman went with Sam Ehlinger during the 2017 campaign and that eventually led Shane to transferring to Southern Methodist.The 2008 season has been one topic of discussion as of late but what if Jamaal Charles would have remained at Texas for his senior year? How differently could that have impacted the season and the 2008 heartbreaker against Texas Tech.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Monday edition of the Locked on Longhorns Podcast opens up with the idea of sports coming back soon. NASCAR and golf returned over the weekend, how far off could other sports be? The first what if scenario discussion with the idea of Nick Saban actually taking the job at the University of Texas following the 2012 season. What would the Texas Longhorns look like with Saban at the helm? What if the Longhorns would have gone with Shane Buechele over Sam Ehlinger? Following the game against Notre Dame in 2016, the Longhorns looked to have found their quarterback of the next several seasons. However, Tom Herman went with Sam Ehlinger during the 2017 campaign and that eventually led Shane to transferring to Southern Methodist. The 2008 season has been one topic of discussion as of late but what if Jamaal Charles would have remained at Texas for his senior year? How differently could that have impacted the season and the 2008 heartbreaker against Texas Tech.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On this #WouldYouRatherWednesday (Glory Days Grill) Glenn Clark Radio, Glenn and Kyle Ottenheimer discuss football, the Ravens draft and more. At 10:25, new Ravens wide receiver and former Southern Methodist star James Proche joined the show to discuss his excitement about being drafted by Baltimore and more. At 11, Ravens second-round pick and former star Ohio State running back J.K. Dobbins joined us to talk about his 2,000-yard rushing season in 2019, his excitement to play alongside Mark Ingram and Lamar Jackson, and more. At 11:30, Gilman alum, Baltimore native and current Patriots linebacker Brandon Copeland talked about the charitable work he is doing to help assist those in need during the COVID-19 pandemic and more.

Der NFL Draft liegt hinter uns. In unserem großen Recap beschäftigen wir uns mit allen Franchises der NFL und besprechen, wie gut oder wie schlecht die jeweiligen Teams gedraften haben. Den Anfang machen dabei die Teams der North- und East-Divisions der AFC und NFC. Ein starkes Bild haben dabei die Baltimore Ravens abgegeben, die sich mit ihren Picks gute Talente sichern konnte. Auch die Cincinnati Bengals, die mit Joe Burrow ihren zukünftigen Franchise-Quarterback geholt haben, und die Cleveland Browns haben viel richtig gemacht. Sebastian Mühlenhof (@Seppmaster56) spricht mit Florian Schmit (@Flosch1006), Moritz May und Stefan Reichl (@StefanReichl1) auch über den überraschenden Draft der New England Patriots. Auch die Pittsburgh Steelers, Green Bay Packers und Chicago Bears sorgten für einige Fragenzeichen mit ihren Picks. Komplett anders ist das bei den Dallas Cowboys. Euch gefällt dieser Podcast oder ihr habt Kritik, Fragen oder Anregungen? Dann freuen wir uns, wenn wir von euch hören. Lasst uns gerne bei iTunes eine Rezension und ein bisschen Feedback da. Schreibt uns, was ihr gut oder auch schlecht findet, oder welche Themen wir eurer Meinung nach mal in einer Sendung behandeln sollten. Oder schreibt unserem Moderator Sebastian Mühlenhof direkt per Mail (sebastian.muehlenhof@meinsportpodcast.de) oder per Twitter (@InterceptionFT).

Temple Owls vs Southern Methodist Mustangs AAC Conference Tournament picks, predictions, and odds: Our panel of expert sports handicappers share their college basketball predictions and picks on the AAC matchup between the Temple Owls and Southern Methodist Mustangs on Thursday, March 12 from Dickies Arena.

Temple Owls vs Southern Methodist Mustangs AAC Conference Tournament picks, predictions, and odds: Our panel of expert sports handicappers share their college basketball predictions and picks on the AAC matchup between the Temple Owls and Southern Methodist Mustangs on Thursday, March 12 from Dickies Arena.

Ep 167 | Aired 11/20/2019 Will Trice is the newly appointed Executive Artistic Director of the Arkansas Repertory Theatre. He has served as a producer for nearly 30 productions on Broadway, the West End, and National Tours, and is a three-time Tony Award winner for All The Way, starring Bryan Cranston; the Steppenwolf Theatre Company’s Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf?; and The Gershwins' Porgy & Bess, starring Audra McDonald. He is a five-time Tony nominee for Fiddler on the Roof; The Royal Shakespeare Company’s Wolf Hall; You Can’t Take It With You, starring James Earl Jones & Rose Byrne; The Glass Menagerie starring Cherry Jones & Zachary Quinto; and Gore Vidal’s The Best Man, starring John Larroquette & Candice Bergen. Other credits include: American Son, starring Kerry Washington; The Lifespan of A Fact, starring Daniel Radcliffe, Cherry Jones, & Bobby Cannavale; American Buffalo, starring Damien Lewis & John Goodman (West End); American Psycho; Lady Day At Emerson’s Bar & Grill, starring Audra McDonald (Broadway & West End); The Realistic Joneses, starring Toni Collette, Michael C. Hall, & Marisa Tomei; Blithe Spirit, starring Angela Lansbury (West End & National Tour); The Bridges of Madison County; and Glengarry Glen Ross, starring Al Pacino. Prior to his career in producing, Trice served as a Business Analyst with management consulting firm McKinsey & Company, an Artistic Administration Associate with The Metropolitan Opera, and a Strategic Growth Associate with alternative asset managers D.E. Shaw & Company. He holds degrees from Southern Methodist and Northwestern Universities.

East Carolina coach Mike Houston spoke with reporters after the Pirates came out on the short end of a 59-51 shootout with No. 25 Southern Methodist on Saturday, Nov. 9, 2019, at Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium. (Recorded by Al Myatt) MIKE HOUSTON:

Join Al Myatt and Kevin Monroe for the Bonesville Pregame Podcast as East Carolina prepares for a noon kickoff against nationally-ranked Southern Methodist at Gerald J. Ford Stadium. Myatt and Monroe analyze the Pirates and their opponent ahead of kickoff each week. Myatt has decades of experience as a sports journalist and has been an… [ More... ]

MultiMedia Cafe Special Guest and Topics Menu Thursday April 11, 2019 Joe Dancy, Energy Law and Economics, Oil, Gas, Natural Resources, and The University of Oklahoma College of Law Energy Center and visiting professor at Southern Methodist university in Dallas talks about using natural gas capturing to mine bitcoins. He [...]

On the 50th episode of the show, we play three games tonight: Eastern Washington at Portland State; Boise State at New Mexico; and Memphis at Southern Methodist. #gettothebag “If there’s games to be played there’s money to be made.”

College action. Cincinnati at Southern Methodist; Navy at Notre Dame; Georgia at Florida in Jacksonville. 61-44. 17 games over. Let’s get to the bag

Week 3 is in the books. Samir Dacosta joins Shawn Gulati to make sense of the SMU win and the Big Ten blues. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/gulatipod/support

Cleve Whitener, CEO and Lauren Engineers & Constructors. Since 1984, Lauren Engineers & Constructors has been designing and constructing highly specialized facilities in the chemicals and polymers, power, oil and gas, and refining industries. Cleve has over 44 years of experience in ownership and management of engineering, procurement and construction companies. He took his B.A. at Southern Methodist in Mechanical Engineering and did graduate coursework in business administration at University of Texas at Arlington as well as Dallas Theological Seminary. In our conversation today we discuss building power plants, hunting dogs, and the problems with 5 year plans. We hope you enjoy the conversation.| Transcription |Interviewer: So how long have you been in Abilene? Cleve: Let's see, 24 years. Interviewer: And you grew up in Dallas, is that correct? Cleve: Yes. Interviewer: Tell us a little bit about your family like, what did your father do? Cleve: Well, my dad was an attorney and my mom was a stay-at-home mom. We grew up in the '50s and '60s so that was a different time. We, you know, moved to Lake Collins when I was eight years old. We'd lived down the coast for a little while and then we lived another close by Lake Collins, but Lake Collins was a new school. It was part of Richardson Schools, and we moved out there, we all moved there in the third grade, or before the third grade. So my mom still is lives in the same house that was, you know, 60 years ago. And dad lived there until he passed away three years ago. Interviewer: So, that's kind of like typical post-war boom area, right? New developments, new schools, expanding neighborhoods eras, is that right then? Cleve: Yeah. Very much middle class, you know, neighborhood. Difficult house was, you know, three-bedroom, 2,000 square foot, two bath-house I think, probably every house in the street was… while, they were individually built and custom homes, I think they were all just about the same. In our house, I have four brothers or, you know, four brothers and sisters. Two brothers, two sisters and for a long time my grandad, because my grandma died when we were… I guess was about 12, and my grandad came to live with us. So, in one room, I had two brothers and grandad that shared a fairly small bedroom. Interviewer: All right. Cleve: That was a different time in the US. You know, certainly we always have fine memories of childhood but I actually think that was the best time for America. Interviewer: Do you remember learning anything from having your grandad live with you? Cleve: Well, all of us learned patience. I mean, grandads, you know, especially then they were, you know, you had to be patient with him, all three of us. Interviewer: There was something about intergenerational living that I find fascinating, that, it seems as though, our culture has gotten a little bit away from these days. And sometimes I mourn that we don't do that that often. Cleve: Yeah. Well, you know, my grandparents were… my grandad was a farmer. And so, he lived on the farm, and me and my dad grew up on a farm which is pretty typical especially in Texas. You know, back in the '30s that's what people did was they farm, and so my brothers and I we spent every summer on the farm until grandad moved in with us. Interviewer: And where was the farm? Cleve: It was near Waco, Texas, you know, small farm but we didn't recognize that as kids. We had a great time. Yeah, we worked and, of course, played, and we were already used to my grandad and that we spent the summers with him and, of course, my grandma until she passed. Interviewer: Yeah. So then, did your dad farm as well or what did he do for a living? Cleve: No, he was an attorney. He went to Baylor and got his law degree and that's where I was born while he was still in law school. I don't remember that part, of course, because I was just small. I started to remember the farm well, there was a lot of fine memories of, you know, doing stuff with granddad and working. And they had a garden that was just really for their use, but it was large enough where they had a lot of extra produce. And so, we'd take it to town nearby, which is this town called Mart. We'd sell it, you know, behind the pickup, just drive around the streets selling it, and we got to keep some of the money and go get an ice cream or something, so. Interviewer: Do you think spending time on the farm as a child gave you kind of a primer for wanting to understand how things work, and like the mechanical nature of things? Cleve: Well, certainly it helped, you know, because the farm, you have to do everything. Interviewer: Right. Cleve: So, if the tractor needed fixing, you didn't call mechanic, you'd fixed it. You know, if a fence was broken you fix it, and certainly. So it was a… it's very much manual labor so you learned a lot about manual labor. So, yeah, I'd say that it certainly was a good experience from that standpoint. Interviewer: And you got to keep a little bit of the money of the produce that you sold, so you learned how to enjoy the spoils of your labor. Cleve: Yep, yeah. It wasn't much, but, yeah, you know. Interviewer: What do you think your… what was your favorite job on the farm when you were a kid? Cleve: Driving the tractor. I'd tell you the worst, a lot of times you remember the worst job. The worst job was picking cotton. You had a lot of… you gain a lot of respect for the man and woman who came to pick cotton because that was a terrible job. You know, you got your hands bloody, and we weren't very good at it compared to them. Of course, they got paid by the tow sack full of what they picked. And so, they were, you know, much better at it, but, yeah. The best job was driving the tractor either plowing or bailing hay. As a kid, you know, that was a pretty nice job. Interviewer: You ended up going onto be an athlete. So, my guess is you were built strong and able to handle the manual labors, is that right? Cleve: Yes. Interviewer: About how tall and what was your weight when you were at your peak playing days? Cleve: Well, I'm 5'11 and I weighed about 210. So, I was small for a linebacker, large for a free safety, so I played both positions. And about the same weight. I didn't put on a lot of weight when moved to linebacker. Interviewer: Were you fast? Cleve: Well, for that day in time, you know. It's a whole different game now than it was in the '60s and '70s, but... Interviewer: How did you get started in football? Do you remember your very first time playing? Cleve: Oh, sure, you know, I love athletics from the time I can remember. I had a football when I was probably four or five years old, and carried it around, and started playing organized football at about seven. You know, I played baseball too and basketball. So, you know, I mean, athletics was a big part of our growing up, there's no doubt about that. Interviewer: And did your dad encourage that? Did your dad play with you? Cleve: Oh, yeah, he was our little league coach, and then, of course, he played, you know, catch with us and he was a good athlete himself. He had gone to a school on a football scholarship at Howard Payne but the work came along and so that cuts short, because he was only there a year and then when off to Europe, got wounded and came back, and went to school and got a law degree. Interviewer: Do you have kids? And did they play any sports? Cleve: Well, I have a daughter. When she was in high school she ran track and played basketball, but she was also a cheer leader. Her talent and passion is more on the art side. She sang jazz for a good while because she was really quite good at it, but we just have one child. Interviewer: Do you have like an incredibly memorably game from high school football where you were the star or something big happened? Cleve: Yeah, we…you know, unfortunately it didn't work out well for us, but the game I remember most, we had a good team, I was a quarter back, I was the free safety. We actually went undefeated, but we didn't get out of our district because our big rivalry was McKinney High School. And we tied them six to six, we played in this terrible weather, it was muddy, kind of snow storm so neither one of us really had much offense, but we tied six to six, and, you know, there was some kind of rules back then where, you know, the winner of the district went out. And they eventually got beaten by the State champion late in a playoff. So, that game was probably the most memorable just because it was my senior year. Also played basketball, and we did win the State basketball that year so that was a pretty big deal, and along went baseball too. So, you know, Lake Collins was kind of a new school and lot of kids moved in, and so we had good athletic teams. Interviewer: One of those power house up and coming schools at the time. And then a really good history and tradition since then, right? I mean, I looked at the notable alumni, and it seems there a handful of very successful football players that had been out of there. Cleve: Yeah, no question. I think, they still do well, not quite as well as they did. Even after I left they actually did even better, won several State championships and all...

Au programme : - Le gagnant de la semaine : Georgia. - Le perdant de la semaine : Wisconsin. - Débats de la semaine : Quels programmes ont fait la meilleure affaire depuis le début du Coaching Carousel ? - Tour d’horizon des résultats de la semaine 14. La controverse Alabama. - Mailbag : Nos meilleurs joueurs, freshman et coach de l’année. - Demandez le programme : Southern Methodist. - La preview d'Army-Navy.

Dr. Petra Kern, owner of Music Therapy Consulting, is adjunct Associate Professor at the University of Louisville and Editor-in-Chief of the online magazine imagine. She is a former WFMT President, currently serves on CBMT’s Board of Directors, and is a recipient of AMTA’s Research/Publications award. Dr. Daniel Tague is Assistant Professor and Chair of Music Therapy at Southern Methodist […] The post MTRB #23 – Petra Kern and Daniel Tague appeared first on Music Therapy Research Blog.

Well, we thought we would be starting a new series for the new year, but it turns out there are one or two things we would like to say to the seniors who are looking at their college prospects now--albeit a bit late--with newly serious eyes.  I was talking to one of my best friends recently.  He has twin girls, who were just finishing up their applications when we chatted on December 27.  He said that one of the girls was feeling a bit blue as she looked over the list of colleges she had applied to and worried that none of them seemed to be the perfect choice.   I found myself giving him two messages for his daughter.  1.  There’s Not One Perfect College Choice. The first is the message that any concerned parent would send, and it went something like this:  Don’t worry.  There are many colleges out there that would be a fine choice for you.  There isn’t just one perfect college.  You could be happy at any number of colleges, including the ones on your list, and you likely will be.   Her father added that he thought there was really no way to know how good a fit a college might be until you were actually enrolled and living on the campus and taking classes and making friends and involving yourself in activities, etc.  Her dad is a smart guy and, in this case, exactly right.   However much you think you know about a college from reading the website and visiting the campus and attending a few sample classes and talking to kids who go there will be nothing compared to that first month as a student there.  And really that first semester as a student there, because that first month can be atypically difficult, especially if the college is far from home.  So, yes, applicants should do their homework about a college before applying (our new book is designed to help high school students do exactly that), but applicants also have to accept that fact that they can’t know everything in advance. Parents, if you attended college and had a choice of colleges yourself, after the acceptances came in, do you ever think about how your life might have been different if you had chosen a different college?  I really don’t, but did so on the occasion of preparing this episode.   This will surprise you, Marie (well-known Barnard alumna), but I very nearly chose to go to Smith College or Pembroke College (now fully merged into Brown University).  Yes, two women’s colleges!  I liked the idea of women’s colleges as a high school senior more than I do now.  So, was I right then?  Perhaps I was. I also thought hard about going to two great Southern universities--Vanderbilt and Southern Methodist (my mother’s alma mater).  Although I grew up in the suburbs of Philadelphia, I spent all my summers in Texas at my grandmother’s.  I loved the idea of going to college in the South and believe, to this day, that I would have thoroughly enjoyed either of those universities.   But, as our listeners know, I chose Cornell.  In fairness, my father, an Ivy Leaguer himself, chose Cornell for me.  I could tell that he wanted me to go to Cornell, though he never said it, so I did.  I don’t regret my choice for a minute.  Was it a perfect choice?  Well, a near-perfect choice, except for the weather.  But I have to believe that any other choice would have made me quite happy, too.  They might have been just as perfect. Maybe the key here is to get great colleges onto your list of college options so that you apply only to places that you would really like to attend.  It is comforting to go into the waiting period of the next few months knowing that you could be happy at any of the colleges on your list.  That’s one reason we spend a lot of time talking to you about options, taking you on our virtual nationwide college tour (Episodes 27 through 53), going through the deal breakers in your decision making (see our first book), and doing the research you need on each college option (see our upcoming book).  2.  Lots of Colleges Are Still Accepting Applications. So, that brings me to my second message to my friend’s daughter:  If you are really concerned (and not just fretting over nothing, as kids sometimes do), there are still a lot of great colleges accepting applications.  I have to admit that when I Googled “colleges still accepting applications,” I couldn’t believe the number that came up.  Sure, some have deadlines of January 10 or 15 or 31, but some have deadlines in February, March, April, May, and beyond.  Yes, for the fall of 2017.  And you still have some time to submit applications even to those with January deadlines.  One note of caution:  I double checked the deadlines of all the colleges that were supplied by my Google search and found many of them to be wrong.  So please check out the actual website of any college that you might be interested in! There is no way to generalize about the colleges with later deadlines, but I have noticed that quite a few of them are the branch campuses of large public universities, though some great flagships also have relatively late application deadlines.  Other than that, you can find small liberal arts colleges, larger liberal arts universities, faith-based colleges, HBCUs (historically black colleges and universities), single-sex colleges--really, just about anything.  They are large and small.  They are urban, suburban, small town, and rural.  They include some highly selective colleges, some selective colleges, and some not-so-selective colleges.  They include colleges in the North, South, East, and West (including as west as it gets). Let me read you a sample of colleges with late application deadlines to prove our point.  Here are just some of the colleges--including truly great colleges--you can apply to by January 15 (and really 10 days should be plenty of time to pull some of these off): Bryn Mawr College Bucknell University Carleton College Case Western Reserve University Centre College Colgate University College of the Holy Cross Colorado College Denison University Drexel University Florida State University (January 18) Franklin and Marshall College George Mason University Grinnell College Haverford College Kenyon College Lafayette College Loyola Marymount University Macalester College Mills College Mount Holyoke College Oberlin College Occidental College Providence College Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Skidmore College Smith College Soka University of America Southern Methodist University Stony Brook University Tulane University University of Colorado Boulder University of Connecticut University of Delaware University of Denver University of Georgia University of Massachusetts Amherst University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill University of Oregon University of Puget Sound University of Southern California University of Vermont Villanova University Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Washington University in St Louis Wellesley College Need more time?  Well, here are colleges with February deadlines (albeit many are on February 1, but some are on February 15): Baylor University Clemson University Colorado State University Fort Collins DePauw University Dickinson College Fisk University Hunter College (CUNY) Ithaca College Juniata College Miami University (Oxford, Ohio) Ohio State University (main campus) Quinnipiac University Rhode Island School of Design Saint Michael's College Simmons College Spelman College St. Lawrence University Stevens Institute of Technology Transylvania University University of Maryland (Baltimore County) University of Michigan (Ann Arbor) University of New Hampshire (main campus) University of North Carolina Wilmington University of Rhode Island University of Wisconsin–Madison Earlham College Morehouse College Rollins College Texas Christian University The College of Wooster University of Kentucky Yeshiva University I was going to stop there, but there are some that I would like to mention with deadlines in March (yes, March!).  You really have no excuse not to apply to one of these if you are interested: Georgia State University Hampden–Sydney College Hampton University Randolph–Macon College SUNY at Albany University of Dallas University of Hawai‘i at Mānoa East Carolina University Okay, you get the point.  But, believe us that we could name colleges with deadlines in April, May, and even June, including some that we have recommended in our virtual nationwide college tour--colleges like SUNY New Paltz, Old Dominion University, the University of Iowa, Louisiana State University, and the University of Central Florida. So, parents of high school seniors, don’t despair.  If your teenager is truly questioning his or her choices now, it’s not too late.  Again, the options that we have just read are a sample of colleges still accepting applications (and there are many options that we have not read).  Lots of these options would be great for any student.  So, if you and your teenager are so inclined, take an hour or two now and have a last look.  It might not change any final decision your teenager will eventually make about where to go to college, but it might let you all sleep better for the next few months. As always, call us, if you could use some free advice! Ask your questions or share your feedback by... Leaving a comment on the show notes for this episode at http://usacollegechat.org/episode105 Calling us at (516) 900-6922 to record a question on our USACollegeChat voicemail if you want us to answer your question live on our podcast Connect with us through... 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Susto is a disease of the soul that has its origin in Mexico. Think of it as a kind of soul death. Sufferers are said to be walking shells of their former selves. But the good news is it can be cured. Now SUSTO on the other hand is an Americana band from Charleston, South Carolina led by songwriter Justin Osborne. On the band's self titled album, you definitely get the sense that after launching himself from his Southern Methodist roots, Osborne maybe flirted a bit with the affliction he chose as his band's name. The good news? Sounds like he's cured. In this live recording from from the Living Room Concert Series at the Capitol Theatre in Macon, Georgia, Osborne performs a solo set of two songs from that self titled record plus two new ones from the new record slated for release on January 13, 2017. Track List: Black River Gospel County Line-3:02 Waves-6:45 Hard Drugs-10:18 https://youtu.be/pHBkG9Dcbac

Welcome to episode 24 of the Daily Theology Podcast! In continuation of his Dallas trip, Mike Avery interviews Dr. Susanne Scholz of Southern Methodist university. The conversation starts with a discussion of Scholz’s influential gymnasium teacher and her later run-in with starchy conservative professors in graduate school. The interview then takes on such topics as rape in the Hebrew Bible, feminist hermeneutics and Grimm’s Fairytales. To end, Dr. Scholz reveals her love for Star Trek and confesses to being a Trekkie.   Dr. Susanne Scholz is Professor of Old Testament at Perkins School of Theology at Southern Methodist University. She earned her M.Phil, S.T.M., and Ph.D. degrees from Union Theological Seminary in New York and and M.Div equivalent degree from the University of Heidelberg. Her research focuses on feminist interpretations of scripture and violence, especially against women, in religious texts. She is the author of numerous books, includingRape Plots: A Feminist Cultural Study of Genesis 34 (Peter Lang, 2002), Biblical Studies Alternatively: An Introductory Reader (Pearson, 2002), Introducing the Women’s Hebrew Bible (Introductions in Feminist Theology) (Bloomsbury, 2007), and Sacred Witness: Rape in the Hebrew Bible (Fortress Press, 2010). She has also edited or co-edited God Loves Diversity and Justice: Progressive Scholars Speak about Faith, Politics, and the World (Lexington Books, 2013), Feminist Interpretation of the Hebrew Bible in Retrospect. I. Biblical Books (Sheffield Phoenix Press, 2013), Feminist Interpretation of the Hebrew Bible in Retrospect. II. Social Locations (Sheffield Phoenix Press, 2013), Hidden Truths from Eden: Esoteric Readings of Genesis 13 (Semeia Studies) (SBL Press, 2014), and La Violencia and the Hebrew Bible: The Politics and Histories of Biblical Hermeneutics on the American Continent (Semeia Studies) (SBL Presss, 2016).

Golf's most important major is upon us and former college golfer Matt Cermak joins Connor to talk about it. After defending his hometown Chicago Bulls, Cermak dives into the 2016 Master's and the story lines surrounding Augusta National. From a physicist from Southern Methodist, to a first timer representing Trump, this field presents an interesting one. Who will be left standing on Sunday? Defending champ Jordan Spieth? Rory McIlroy? Bubba Watson? Find out how @Matt_Cerms sees the field of 89...

Frederica speaks on Orthodox worship at Southern Methodist College in Spartanburg, SC.

Frederica speaks on Orthodox worship at Southern Methodist College in Spartanburg, SC.

This interview-only Contrabass Conversations episode features the conclusion of our interview with Indiana University double bass professor Lawrence Hurst, whom we interviewed on episodes 20 and 23 of the podcast. About Lawrence Hurst Lawrence Hurst is the former principal double bass for the Dallas Symphony. He is a former faculty member of Southern Methodist and Eastern Michigan Universities and former faculty member, associate dean, and chair of the string department at University of Michigan School of Music. He was honored with the Alumni Award from the University of Michigan School of Music in 1998. Professor Hurst is former director of the University Division of the National Music Camp and is a summer faculty member of the Interlochen Arts Camp.  He is past chair of the American String Teachers Association National Solo Competition, and past president of the International Society of Bassists.  His former students can be found in many prestigious orchestras, including Chicago, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Indianapolis, and Atlanta.  He has chaired the Indiana University Strings Department for the past 19 years and has been on faculty at Interlochen for the past 40 years.  

Lawrence Hurst is the former principal double bass for the Dallas Symphony. He is a former faculty member of Southern Methodist and Eastern Michigan Universities and former faculty member, associate dean, and chair of the string department at University of Michigan School of Music. He was honored with the Alumni Award from the University of Michigan School of Music in 1998. Professor Hurst is former director of the University Division of the National Music Camp and is a summer faculty member of the Interlochen Arts Camp.  He is past chair of the American String Teachers Association National Solo Competition, and past president of the International Society of Bassists.  His former students can be found in many prestigious orchestras, including Chicago, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Indianapolis, and Atlanta.  He has chaired the Indiana University Strings Department for the past 19 years and has been on faculty at Interlochen for the past 40 years. Music from the Bass Gang website: http://www.thebassgang.org/

Lawrence Hurst is the former principal double bass for the Dallas Symphony. He is a former faculty member of Southern Methodist and Eastern Michigan Universities and former faculty member, associate dean, and chair of the string department at University of Michigan School of Music. He was honored with the Alumni Award from the University of Michigan School of Music in 1998. Professor Hurst is former director of the University Division of the National Music Camp and is a summer faculty member of the Interlochen Arts Camp.  He is past chair of the American String Teachers Association National Solo Competition, and past president of the International Society of Bassists.  His former students can be found in many prestigious orchestras, including Chicago, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Indianapolis, and Atlanta.  He has chaired the Indiana University Strings Department for the past 19 years and has been on faculty at Interlochen for the past 40 years.