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n this thought-provoking episode of "Faith with Friends," host Lisa Lorenzo guides listeners through the sixth chapter of the Book of Luke. As part of a December series, the podcast explores each chapter of Luke in the lead-up to Christmas, offering insights into the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. With a focus on the spiritual journey and personal transformation, Lisa encourages listeners to delve deeper into the scripture and reflect on its contemporary significance.This episode emphasizes Jesus's teachings from Luke 6, highlighting the conflict with the Pharisees and the revolutionary principles he espouses. Lisa examines key moments, including the healing on the Sabbath and the selection of his disciples, as windows into understanding Jesus's challenges to societal norms and religious traditionalism. Engaging with SEO keywords like “spiritual growth,” “faith journey,” and “Jesus's teachings,” the episode invites listeners to consider themselves as part of a divine narrative centered on mercy, forgiveness, and unyielding faith in turbulent times.Key Takeaways:Jesus challenges societal and religious norms by prioritizing human need over traditional rituals.The teachings of Jesus in Luke 6 call for a transformation of the heart, advocating love for enemies and mercy over judgment.Personal discipleship is highlighted as a foundation built on faith, understanding, and action rather than mere knowledge.The importance of self-reflection is stressed through metaphors about good and bad fruit, encouraging personal spiritual assessment.The episode invites listeners to actively integrate faith into their lives, promising a deeper encounter with Jesus by Christmas.Notable Quotes:"A human need is more important than rituals and rules.""The Son of Man is the Lord of the Sabbath.""Life with me is going to flip everything that you've known.""Jesus isn't asking for a Sunday religion or passive faith.""Know me, and then build your life on me."Resources:Follow Lisa Lorenzo and the "Faith with Friends" podcast on Instagram: faithwithfriendsImmerse yourself in the full episode to explore how the teachings of Luke 6 can anchor your spiritual journey today. Stay tuned for more enlightening discussions as the podcast unfolds the profound narrative of Jesus's life through December's introspective series.

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In this theologically rich episode of The Reformed Brotherhood, Jesse and Tony delve into the Parable of the Lost Coin from Luke 15:8-10. They explore how this parable reveals God's passionate pursuit of His elect and the divine joy that erupts when they are found. Building on their previous discussion of the Lost Sheep, the brothers examine how Jesus uses this second parable to further emphasize God's sovereign grace in salvation. The conversation highlights the theological implications of God's ownership of His people even before their redemption, the diligent efforts He undertakes to find them, and the heavenly celebration that follows. This episode offers profound insights into God's relentless love and the true nature of divine joy in redemption. Key Takeaways The Parable of the Lost Coin emphasizes that God actively and diligently searches for those who belong to Him, sparing no effort to recover what is rightfully His. Jesus uses three sequential parables in Luke 15 to progressively reveal different aspects of God's heart toward sinners, with escalating emphasis on divine joy. The coin represents something of significant value that already belonged to the woman, illustrating that God's elect belong to Him even before their redemption. Unlike finding something new, the joy depicted is specifically about recovering something that was already yours but had been lost, highlighting God's eternal claim on His people. The spiritual inability of the sinner is represented by the coin's passivity - it cannot find its own way back and must be sought out by its owner. Angels rejoice over salvation not independently but because they share in God's delight at the effectiveness of His saving power. The parable challenges believers to recover their joy in salvation and to share it with others, much like the woman who called her neighbors to celebrate with her. Expanded Insights God's Determined Pursuit of What Already Belongs to Him The Parable of the Lost Coin reveals a profound theological truth about God's relationship to His elect. As Tony and Jesse discuss, this isn't a story about finding something new, but recovering something that already belongs to the owner. The woman in the parable doesn't rejoice because she discovered unexpected treasure; she rejoices because she recovered what was already hers. This illustrates the Reformed understanding that God's people have eternally belonged to Him. While justification occurs in time, there's a real sense in which God has been considering us as His people in eternity past. The parable therefore supports the doctrines of election and particular redemption - God is not creating conditions people can move into or out of, but is zealously reclaiming a specific people who are already His in His eternal decree. The searching, sweeping, and diligent pursuit represent not a general call, but an effectual calling that accomplishes its purpose. The Divine Joy in Recovering Sinners One of the most striking aspects of this parable is the overwhelming joy that accompanies finding the lost coin. The brothers highlight that this joy isn't reluctant or begrudging, but enthusiastic and overflowing. The woman calls her friends and neighbors to celebrate with her - a seemingly excessive response to finding a coin, unless we understand the theological significance. This reveals that God takes genuine delight in the redemption of sinners, to the extent that Jesus describes it as causing joy "in the presence of the angels of God." As Jesse and Tony note, this challenges our perception that God might save us begrudgingly. Instead, the parable teaches us that God's "alien work" is wrath, while His delight is in mercy. This should profoundly impact how believers view their own salvation and should inspire a contagious joy that spreads to others - a joy that many Christians, by Tony's own admission, need to recover in their daily walk. Memorable Quotes "Christ love is an act of love and it's always being acted upon the sinner, the one who has to be redeemed, his child whom he goes after. So in the same way, we have Christ showing the self-denying love." - Jesse Schwamb "The coin doesn't seek the woman. The woman seeks the coin. And in this way, I think we see God's act of searching grace... The reason why I think it leads to joy, why God is so pleased, is because God has this real pleasure to pluck sinners as brands from the burning fire." - Jesse Schwamb "These parables are calling us to rejoice, right? Christ is using these parables to shame the Pharisees and the scribes who refuse to rejoice over the salvation of sinners. How often do we not rejoice over our own salvation sufficiently?" - Tony Arsenal Full Transcript [00:00:08] Jesse Schwamb: There still is like the sovereign grace of God who's initiating the salvation and there is a kind of effect of calling that God doesn't merely invite, he finds, he goes after he affects the very thing. Yeah, and I think we're seeing that here. The sinner, spiritual inability. There's an utter passivity until found. The coin doesn't seek the woman. The woman seeks the coin. And in this way, I think we see God's act of searching grace. It's all there for us. And the reason why I think it leads to joy, why God is so pleased is because God has this real pleasure. To pluck sinners as brands from the burning fire. Welcome to episode 472 of The Reformed Brotherhood. I'm Jesse. [00:00:57] Tony Arsenal: And I'm Tony. And this is the podcast with ears to hear. Hey brother. [00:01:01] Jesse Schwamb: Hey brother. [00:01:02] Jesus and the Parable of the Lost Coin [00:01:02] Jesse Schwamb: So there was this time, maybe actually more than one time, but at least this one time that we've been looking at where Jesus is hanging out and the religious incumbents, the Pharisees, they come to him and they say, you are a friend of sinners, and. Instead of taking offense to this, Jesus turns this all around. Uses this as a label, appropriates it for himself and his glorious character. And we know this because he gives us this thrice repeated sense of what it means to see his heart, his volition, his passion, his love, his going after his people, and he does it. Three little parables and we looked at one last time and we're coming up to round two of the same and similar, but also different and interesting. And so today we're looking at the parable of the lost coin or the Lost dma, or I suppose, whatever kind of currency you wanna insert in there. But once again, something's lost and we're gonna see how our savior comes to find it by way of explaining it. In metaphor. So there's more things that are lost and more things to be found on this episode. That's how we do it. It's true. It's true. So that's how Jesus does it. So [00:02:12] Tony Arsenal: yeah. So it should be how we do it. [00:02:14] Jesse Schwamb: Yes. Yeah, exactly. I cut to like Montel Jordan now is the only thing going through my head. Tell Jordan. Yeah. Isn't he the one that's like, this is how we do it, that song, this is [00:02:28] Tony Arsenal: how we do it. I, I don't know who sings it. Apparently it's me right now. That was actually really good. That was fantastic. [00:02:36] Jesse Schwamb: Hopefully never auto tuned. Not even once. I'm sure that'll make an appearance now and the rest, somebody [00:02:42] Tony Arsenal: should take that and auto tune it for me. [00:02:44] Jesse Schwamb: That would be fantastic. Listen, it doesn't need it. That was perfect. That was right off the cuff, right off the top. It was beautiful. It was ous. [00:02:50] Tony Arsenal: Yes. Yes. [00:02:51] Affirmations and Denials [00:02:51] Jesse Schwamb: I'm hoping that appearance, [00:02:53] Tony Arsenal: before we jump into our, our favorite segment here in affirmations of Denials, I just wanted to take a second to, uh, thank all of our listeners. Uh, we have the best listeners in the world. That's true, and we've also got a really great place to get together and chat about things. That's also true. Uh, we have a little telegram chat, which is just a little chat, um, program that run on your phone or in a browser. Really any device you have, you can go to t Me slash Reform Brotherhood and join that, uh, little chat group. And there's lots of stuff going on there. We don't need to get into all the details, but it's a friendly little place. Lots of good people, lots of good conversation. And just lots of good digital fellowship, if that's even a thing. I think it is. So please do join us there. It's a great place to discuss, uh, the episodes or what you're learning or what you'd like to learn. There's all sorts of, uh, little nooks and crannies and things to do in there. [00:03:43] Jesse Schwamb: So if you're looking for a little df and you know that you are coming out, we won't get into details, but you definitely should. Take Tony's advice, please. You, you will not be disappointed. It, it's a fun, fun time together. True. Just like you're about to have with us chatting it up and going through a little affirmations and denials. So, as usual, Tony, what are you, are you affirming with something or are you denying again, something? I'm, I'm on the edge of my seat. I'm ready. [00:04:06] Tony Arsenal: Okay. Uh, it is, I thought that was going somewhere else. Uh, I'm, I'm affirming something. [00:04:13] AI and Problem Solving [00:04:13] Tony Arsenal: People are gonna get so sick of me doing like AI affirmations, but I, it's like I learned a new thing to do with AI every couple of weeks. I ran across an article the other day, uh, that I don't remember where the article was. I didn't save it, but I did read it. And one of the things that pointed out is that a lot of times you're not getting the most out of AI because you don't really know how to ask the questions. True. One of the things it was was getting through is a lot of people will ask, they'll have a problem that they're encountering and they'll just ask AI like, how do I fix this problem? And a lot of times what that yields is like very superficial, basic, uh, generic advice or generic kind of, uh, directions for resolving a problem. And the, I don't remember the exact phrasing, 'cause it was a little while ago since I read it, but it basically said something like, I'm encountering X problem. And despite all efforts to the contrary, I have not been able to resolve it. And by using sort of these extra phrases. What it does is it sort of like pushes the AI to ask you questions about what you've already tried to do, and so it's gonna tailor its advice or its directions to your specific situation a little bit more. So, for example, I was doing this today. We, um, we just had the time change, right? Stupidest thing in the world doesn't make any sense and my kids don't understand that the time has changed and we're now like three or four weeks past the, the time change and their, their schedule still have not adjusted. So my son Augie, who is uh, like three and three quarters, uh, I don't know how many months it is. When do you stop? I don't even know. When you stop counting in months. He's three and a quarter, three quarters. And he will regularly wake up between four 30 and five 30. And when we really, what we really want is for him to be sleeping, uh, from uh, until like six or six 30 at the latest. So he's like a full hour, sometimes two hours ahead of time, which then he wakes up, it's a small house. He's noisy 'cause he's a three and a half year old. So he wakes up the baby. The baby wakes up. My wife, and then we're all awake and then we're cranky and it's miserable. So I, I put that little prompt into, um, into Google Gemini, which is right now is my, um, AI of choice, but works very similar. If you use something like chat, GPT or CLO or whatever, you know, grok, whatever AI tool you have access to, put that little prompt in. You know, something like since the time change, my son has been waking up at four 30 in the morning, despite all efforts to the contrary, I have not been able to, uh, adjust his schedule. And so it started asking me questions like, how much light is in the room? What time does he go to bed? How much does he nap? And it, so it's, it's pulling from the internet. This is why I like Google Geminis. It's actually pulling from the internet to identify like common, common. Related issues. And so it starts to probe and ask questions. And by the time it was done, what it came out with was like a step-by-step two week plan. Basically like, do this tonight, do this tomorrow morning. Um, and it was able to identify what it believes is the problem. We'll see if it actually is, but the beauty now is now that I've got a plan that I've got in this ai, I can start, you know, tomorrow morning I'm gonna try to do what it said and I can tell. The ai, how things went, and it can now adjust the plan based on whether or not, you know, this worked or didn't work. So it's a good way to sort of, um, push an ai, uh, chat bot to probe your situation a little bit more. So you could do this really for anything, right. You could do something like I'm having, I'm having trouble losing weight despite all efforts to the contrary. Um, can you help me identify what the, you know, root problem is? So think about different ways that you can use this. It's a pretty cool way to sort of like, push the, the AI to get a little deeper into the specifics without like a lot of extra heavy lifting. I'm sure there's probably other ways you could drive it to do this, but this was just one clever way that I, that this article pointed out to accomplish this. [00:08:07] Jesse Schwamb: It's a great exercise to have AI optimize itself. Yeah. By you turning your prompts around and asking it to ask you a number of questions, sufficient number, until it can provide an optimize answer for you. So lots, almost every bot has some kind of, you can have it analyze your prompts essentially, but some like copilot actually have a prompt agent, which will help you construct the prompt in an optimal way. Yeah, and that again, is kind of question and answer. So I'm with you. I will often turn it around and say. Here's my goal. Ask me sufficient number of questions so that you can provide the right insight to accomplish said goal. Or like you're saying, if you can create this like, massive conversation that keeps all this history. So I, I've heard of people using this for their exercise or running plans. Famously, somebody a, a, um, journalist, the Wall Street Journal, use it, train for a marathon. You can almost have it do anything for you. Of course, you want to test all of that and interact with it reasonably and ably, right? At the same time, what it does best is respond to like natural language interaction. And so by turning it around and basically saying, help me help you do the best job possible, providing the information, it's like the weirdest way of querying stuff because we're so used to providing explicit direction ourselves, right? So to turn it around, it's kind of a new experience, but it's super fun, really interesting, really effective. [00:09:22] Tony Arsenal: And it because you are allowing, in a certain sense, you're sort of asking the AI to drive the conversation. This, this particular prompt, I know the article I read went into details about why this prompt is powerful and the reason this prompt is powerful is not because of anything the AI's doing necessarily, right. It's because you're basically telling the AI. To find what you've missed. And so it's asking you questions. Like if I was to sit down and go like, all right, what are all the things that's wrong, that's causing my son to be awake? Like obviously I didn't figure it out on my own, so it's asking me what I've already tried and what it found out. And then of course when it tells me what it is, it's like the most obvious thing when it figures out what it is. It's identifying something that I already haven't identified because I've told it. I've already tried everything I can think of, and so it's prompting me to try to figure out what it is that I haven't thought of. So those are, like I said, there's lots of ways to sort of get the ais to do that exercise. Um, it's not, it's not just about prompt engineering, although that there's a lot of science now and a lot of like. Specifics on how you do prompt engineering, um, you know, like building a persona for the ai. Like there's all sorts of things you can do and you can add that, like, I could have said something like, um. Uh, you are a pediatric sleep expert, right? And when you tell it that what it's gonna do is it's gonna start to use more technical language, it's gonna, it's gonna speak to you back as though it's a, and this, this is where AI can get a little bit dangerous and really downright scary in some instances. But with that particular prompt, it's gonna start to speak back to you as though it was a clinician of some sort, diagnosing a medical situation, which again. That is definitely not something I would ever endorse. Like, don't let an AI be your doctor. That's just not, like WebMD was already scary enough when you were just telling you what your symptoms were and it was just cross checking it. Um, but you could do something like, and I use these kinds of prompts for our show notes where I'm like, you're an expert at SEO, like at um, podcast show notes. Utilizing SEO search terms, like that's part of the prompt that I use when I use, um, in, in this case, I use notion to generate most of our show notes. Um, it, it starts to change the way that it looks at things and the way that it, I, it responds to you based on different prompts. So I think it, it's a little bit scary, uh, AI. Can be a strange, strange place. And there's some, they're doing some research that is a little bit frightening. They did a study and actually, like, they, they basically like unlocked an AI and gave it access to a pretend company with emails and stuff and said that a particular employee was gonna shut out, was gonna delete the ai. And the first thing it did was try to like blackmail the employee with like a risk, like a scandalous email. It had. Then after that they, they engineered a scenario where the AI actually had the ability to kill the employee. And despite like explicit instructions not to do anything illegal, it still tried to kill the employee. So there's some scary things that are coming up if we're not, you know, if, if the science is not able to get that under control. But right now it's just a lot of fun. Like it's, we're, we're probably not at the point where it's dangerous yet and hopefully. Hopefully it won't get to that point, but we'll see. We'll see. That got dark real fast, fast, fast. Jesse, you gotta get this. And that was an affirmation. I guess I'm affirming killer murder ais that are gonna kill us all, but uh, we're gonna have fun with it until they do at least. [00:12:52] Jesse Schwamb: Thanks for not making that deny against. 'cause I can only imagine the direction that one to taken. [00:12:57] Tony Arsenal: Yeah. At least when the AI hears this, it's gonna know that I'm on its side, so, oh, for sure. I, for one, welcome our new AI overlords. So as do Iye. [00:13:05] Christmas Hymns and Music Recommendations [00:13:05] Tony Arsenal: But Jesse, what are you affirming or denying today to get me out of this pit here? [00:13:09] Jesse Schwamb: So, lemme start with a question. Do you have a favorite Christmas hymn? And if so, what is it? [00:13:16] Tony Arsenal: Ooh, that's a tough one. Um, I think I've always been really partial to Oh, holy Night. But, uh, there's, there's not anything that really jumps to mind my, as I've become older and crankier and more Scottish in spirit, I just, Christmas hymns just aren't as. If they're not as prominent in my mind, but oh, holy night or come coming, Emanuel is probably a really good one too. [00:13:38] Jesse Schwamb: Wow. Those are the, those are like the top in the top three for me. Yeah. So I think [00:13:42] Tony Arsenal: I know where you're going based on the question. [00:13:44] Jesse Schwamb: Yeah, we're very much the same. So, well maybe, so I am affirming with, but it's that time of year and people you, you know and love and maybe yourself, you're gonna listen to Christian music and. That's okay. I put no shade on that, especially because we're talking about the incarnation, celebrate the incarnation. But of course, I think the best version of that is some of these really lovely hymns because they could be sung and worshiped through all year round. We just choose them because they fit in with the calendar particularly well here, and sometimes they're included, their lyrics included in Hallmark cards and, and your local. Cool. Coles. So while that's happening, why not embrace it? But here's my information is why not go with some different versions. I love the hymn as you just said. Oh, come will come Emmanuel. And so I'm gonna give people three versions of it to listen to Now to make my list of this kind of repertoire. The song's gotta maintain that traditional melody. I think to a strong degree, it's gotta be rich and deep and dark, especially Ko Emmanuel. But it's gotta have something in it that's a little bit nuanced. Different creative arrangements, musicality. So let me give two brand new ones that you may not have heard versions and one old one. So the old one is by, these are all Ko Emanuel. So if at some point during this you're like, what song is he talking about? It's Ko. Emmanuel. It's just three times. Th we're keeping it th Rice tonight. So the first is by band called for today. That's gonna be a, a little bit harder if you want something that, uh, gets you kind of pumped up in the midst of this redemption. That's gonna be the version. And then there are two brand new ones. One is by skillet, which is just been making music forever, but the piano melody they bring into this and they do a little something nuanced with the chorus that doesn't pull away too much. From the original, but just gives it a little extra like Tastiness. Yeah. Skill. Great version. And then another one that just came out yesterday. My yesterday, not your yesterday. So actually it doesn't even matter at this point. It's already out is by descriptor. And this would be like the most chill version that is a hardcore band by, I would say tradition, but in this case, their version is very chill. All of them I find are just deeply worshipful. Yeah. And these, the music is very full of impact, but of course the lyrics are glorious. I really love this, this crying out to God for the Savior. This. You know, just, it's really the, the plea that we should have now, which is, you know, maranatha like Lord Jesus, come. And so in some ways we're, we're celebrating that initial plea and cry for redemption as it has been applied onto us by the Holy Spirit. And we're also saying, you know, come and fulfill your kingdom, Lord, come and bring the full promise, which is here, but not yet. So I like all three of these. So for today. Skillet descriptor, which sounds like we're playing like a weird word game when you put those all together. It does, but they're all great bands and their versions I think are, are worthy. So the larger affirmation, I suppose, is like, go out this season and find different versions, like mix it up a little bit. Because it's good to hear this music somewhat afresh, and so I think by coming to it with different versions of it, you'll get a little bit of that sense. It'll make maybe what is, maybe if it's felt rote or mundane or just trivial, like you're saying, kind of revive some of these pieces in our hearts so we can, we, we can really worship through them. We're redeeming them even as they're meant to be expressions of the ultimate redemption. [00:16:55] Tony Arsenal: Yeah. Yeah, I, um, I heard the skillet version and, uh, you know, you know me like I'm not a huge fan of harder music. Yeah. But that, that song Slaps man, it's, yes, [00:17:07] Jesse Schwamb: it does. It's [00:17:07] Tony Arsenal: good. And Al I mean, it, it also ignited this weird firestorm of craziness online. I don't know if you heard anything about this, but Yes, it was, it was, there was like the people who absolutely love it and will. Fight you if you don't. Yes. And then there was like the people who think it's straight from the devil because of somehow demonic rhythms, whatever that means. Um, but yeah, I mean, I'm not a big fan of the heavier music, but there is something about that sort of, uh. I don't know. Is skill, would that be considered like metal at all? [00:17:38] Jesse Schwamb: Oh, that's a loaded question. Probably. [00:17:39] Tony Arsenal: Yeah. So like I found, uh, this is, we're gonna go down to Rabbit Trail here. Let's do it. Here we go. I found a version of Africa by Toto that was labeled as metal on YouTube. So I don't know whether it actually is, and this, this version of skill, it strikes me as very similar, where it's, ah, uh, it, it's like, um. The harmonies are slightly different in terms of like how they resonate than Okay. Other harmonies. Like I get [00:18:05] Jesse Schwamb: that [00:18:06] Tony Arsenal: there's a certain, you know, like when you think about like Western music, there's certain right, there's certain harmonies when, you know, think about like piano chords are framed and my understanding at least this could be way off, and I'm sure you're gonna correct me if I'm wrong, is that um, metal music, heavy metal music uses slightly different. Chord formations that it almost leaves you feeling a little unresolved. Yes, but not quite unresolved. Like it's just, it's, it's more the harmonics are different, so that's fair. Skillet. This skillet song is so good, and I think you're right. It, it retains the sort of like. The same basic melody, the same, the same basic harmonies, actually. Right. And it's, it's almost like the harmonies are just close enough to being put into a different key with the harmonies. Yes, [00:18:52] Jesse Schwamb: that's true [00:18:53] Tony Arsenal: than then. Uh, but not quite actually going into another key. So like, sometimes you'll see online, you'll find YouTube videos where they play like pop songs, but they've changed the, the. Chords a little bit. So now it's in a minor key. It's almost like it's there. It's like one more little note shift and it would be there. Um, and then there's some interesting, uh, like repetition and almost some like anal singing going on, that it's very good. Even if you don't like heavier music. Like, like I don't, um, go listen to it and I think you'll find yourself like hitting repeat a couple times. It was very, very good. [00:19:25] Jesse Schwamb: That's a good way of saying it. A lot of times that style is a little bit dissonant, if that's what you mean in the court. Yeah. Formation. So it gives you this unsettledness, this almost unresolvedness, and that's in there. Yeah. And just so everybody knows, actually, if you listen to that version from Skillet, you'll probably listen to most of it. You'll get about two thirds of the way through it and probably be saying, what are those guys talking about? It's the breakdown. Where it amps up. But before that, I think anybody could listen to it and just enjoy it. It's a really beautiful, almost haunting piano melody. They bring into the intro in that, in the interlude. It's very lovely. So it gives you that sense. Again, I love this kind of music because there's almost something, there is something in this song that's longing for something that is wanting and yet left, unresolved and unfulfilled until the savior comes. There's almost a lament in it, so to speak, especially with like the way it's orchestrated. So I love that this hymn is like deep and rich in that way. It's, that's fine. Like if you want to sing deck the Holes, that's totally fine. This is just, I think, better and rich and deeper and more interesting because it does speak to this life of looking for and waiting for anticipating the advent of the savior. So to get me get put back in that place by music, I think is like a net gain this time of year. It's good to have that perspective. I'm, I'm glad you've heard it. We should just open that debate up whether or not we come hang out in the telegram chat. We'll put it in that debate. Is skillet hardcore or metal? We'll just leave it there 'cause I have my opinions, but I'm, well, I'm sure everybody else does. [00:20:48] Tony Arsenal: I don't even know what those words mean, Jesse. Everything is hardcore in metal compared to what I normally listen to. I don't even listen to music anymore usually, so I, I mean, I'm like mostly all podcasts all the time. Anytime I have time, I don't have a ton of time to listen to. Um, audio stuff, but [00:21:06] Jesse Schwamb: that's totally fair. Well now everybody now join us though. [00:21:08] Tony Arsenal: Educate me [00:21:09] Jesse Schwamb: now. Everybody can properly use, IM prompt whatever AI of their choice, and they can listen to at least three different versions of al comical manual. And then they can tell us which one do you like the best? Or maybe you have your own version. That's what she was saying. What's your favorite Christmas in? [00:21:23] Tony Arsenal: Yeah. And [00:21:24] Jesse Schwamb: what version of it do you like? I mean, it'll be like. [00:21:28] Tony Arsenal: It'll be like, despite my best efforts, I've been un unable to understand what hardcore and medical is. Please help me understand. [00:21:37] Jesse Schwamb: Oh, we're gonna have some, some fun with this at some point. We'll have to get into the whole debate, though. I know you and I have talked about it before. We'll put it before the brothers and sisters about a Christmas Carol and what version everybody else likes. That's also seems like, aside from the, the whole eternal debate, which I'm not sure is really serious about whether or not diehard is a Christmas movie, this idea of like, which version of the Christmas Carol do you subscribe to? Yeah. Which one would you watch if you can only watch one? Which one will you watch? That's, we'll have to save that for another time. [00:22:06] Tony Arsenal: We'll save it for another time. And we get a little closer to midwinter. No reason we just can't [00:22:10] Jesse Schwamb: do it right now because we gotta get to Luke 15. [00:22:12] Discussion on the Parable of the Lost Coin [00:22:12] Tony Arsenal: We do. [00:22:13] Jesse Schwamb: We, we've already been in this place of looking at Jesus' response to the Pharisees when they say to him, listen, this man receives sinners and eats with them. And Jesus is basically like, yeah, that's right. And let me tell you three times what the heart of God is like and what my mission in serving him is like, and what I desire to come to do for my children. And so we spoke in the last conversation about the parable lost sheep. Go check that out. Some are saying, I mean, I'm not saying this, but some are saying in the internet, it's the definitive. Congratulation of that parable. I'm, I'm happy to take that if that's true. Um, but we wanna go on to this parable of the lost coin. So let me read, it's just a couple of verses and you're gonna hear in the text that you're going to understand right away. This is being linked because it starts with or, so this is Jesus speaking and this is Luke 15, chapter 15, starting in verse eight. Jesus says, or a what woman? She has 10 D drachmas and loses. One drachma does not light a lamp and sweep the house and search carefully until she finds it. And when she has found it, she calls together her friend and her neighbors saying, rejoice with me for I found the D Drachma, which I lost in the same way I tell you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents. [00:23:27] Tony Arsenal: Yeah. Yeah. On one level, this is, uh, again, it's not all that complicated of a scenario, right? And we have to kind of go back and relo through some of the stuff we talked about last week because this is a continuation of, you know, when we first talked about the Matthew 13 parables, we commented on like. Christ was coming back to the same themes, right? And in some ways, repeating the parable. This is even stronger than that. It's not just that Christ is teaching the same thing across multiple parables. The sense here, at least the sense I get when I read this parable, the lost sheep, and then the prodigal, um, sun parable or, or the next parable here, um, is actually that Christ is just sort of like hammering home the one point he's making to the tax collectors and or to the tax collectors or to the scribes who are complaining about the fact that Christ was eating with sinners. He's just hammering this point home, right? So it's not, it's not to try to add. A lot of nuance to the point. It's not to try to add a, a shade of meaning. Um. You know, we talked a lot about how parables, um, Christ tells parables in part to condemn the listeners who will not receive him, right? That's right. This is one of those situations where it's not, it's not hiding the meaning of the parable from them. The meaning is so obvious that you couldn't miss it, and he, he appeals, we talked about in the first, in the first part of this, he actually appeals to like what the ordinary response would be. Right? What man of you having a hundred sheep if he loses one, does not. Go and leave the 99. Like it's a scenario that anyone who goes, well, like, I wouldn't do that is, looks like an idiot. Like, that's, that's the point of the why. He phrases it. And so then you're right when he, when he begins with this, he says, or what woman having 10 silver coins if she loses one, does not light a lamp and sweep the house and seek diligently until he, till she finds it. And of course, the, the, the emphasis again is like no one in their right mind would not do this. And I think like we think about a coin and like that's the smallest denomination of money that we have. Like, I wouldn't, like if I lost a, if I had 10 silver coin, 10 coins and I lost one of them, the most that that could be is what? 50 cents? Like the, like if I had a 50 cent piece or a silver dollar, I guess, like I could lose a dollar. We're not really talking about coins the way we think of coins, right? We're talking about, um. Um, you know, like denominations of money that are substantial in that timeframe. Like it, there was, there were small coins, but a silver coin would be a substantial amount of money to lose. So we are not talking about a situation where this is, uh, a trivial kind of thing. She's not looking for, you know, I've, I've heard this parable sort of like unpacked where like, it's almost like a miserly seeking for like this lost coin. Interesting. It's not about, it's not about like. Penny pinching here, right? She's not trying to find a tiny penny that isn't worth anything that's built into the parable, right? It's a silver coin. It's not just any coin. It's a silver coin. So she's, she's looking for this coin, um, because it is a significant amount of money and because she's lost it, she's lost something of her, of her overall wealth. Like there's a real loss. Two, this that needs to be felt before he can really move on with the parable. It's not just like some small piece of property, like there's a [00:26:57] Jesse Schwamb: right. I [00:26:57] Tony Arsenal: don't know if you've ever lost a large amount of money, but I remember one time I was in, um, a. I was like, almost outta high school, and I had taken some money out of, um, out of the bank, some cash to make a purchase. I think I was purchasing a laptop and I don't know why I, I don't, maybe I didn't have a credit card or I didn't have a debit card, but I was purchasing a laptop with cash. Right. And back then, like laptops, like this was not a super expensive laptop, but. It was a substantial amount of cash and I misplaced it and it was like, oh no, like, where is it? And like, I went crazy trying to find it. This is the situation. She's lost a substantial amount of money. Um, this parable, unlike the last one, doesn't give you a relative amount of how many she has. Otherwise. She's just lost a significant amount of money. So she takes all these different steps to try to find it. [00:27:44] Understanding the Parable's Context [00:27:44] Tony Arsenal: We have to feel that loss before we really can grasp what the parable is trying to teach us. [00:27:49] Jesse Schwamb: I like that, so I'm glad you brought that up because I ended up going down a rabbit hole with this whole coined situation. [00:27:56] Tony Arsenal: Well, we're about to, Matt Whitman some of this, aren't we? [00:27:58] Jesse Schwamb: Yes, I think so. But mainly because, and this is not really my own ideas here, there's, there's a lot I was able to kind of just read and kind. Throw, throw something around this because I think you're absolutely right that Jesus is bringing an ES escalation here and it's almost like a little bit easier for us to understand the whole sheep thing. I think the context of the lost coin, like you're already saying, is a little bit less familiar to us, and so I got into this. Rabbit hole over the question, why would this woman have 10 silver coins? I really got stuck on like, so why does she have these? And Jesus specific about that he's giving a particular context. Presumably those within his hearing in earshot understood this context far better than I did. So what I was surprised to see is that a lot of commentators you probably run into this, have stated or I guess promulgated this idea that the woman is young and unmarried and the 10 silver coins could. Could represent a dowry. So in some way here too, like it's not just a lot of money, it's possible that this was her saving up and it was a witness to her availability for marriage. [00:28:57] The Significance of the Lost Coin [00:28:57] Jesse Schwamb: So e either way, if that's true or not, Jesus is really emphasizing to us there's significant and severe loss here. And so just like you said, it would be a fool who would just like say, oh, well that's too bad. The coin is probably in here somewhere, but eh, I'm just gonna go about my normal business. Yeah. And forsake it. Like, let's, let's not worry about it. So. The emphasis then on this one is not so much like the leaving behind presumably can keep the remaining nine coins somewhere safe if you had them. But this effort and this diligence to, to go after and find this lost one. So again, we know it's all about finding what was lost, but this kind of momentum that Jesus is bringing to this, like the severity of this by saying there was this woman, and of course like here we find that part of this parable isn't just in the, the kingdom of God's like this, like we were talking about before. It's more than that because there's this expression of, again, the situation combined with these active verbs. I think we talked about last time that Christ love is an act of love and it's always being acted upon the sinner, the one who has to be redeemed, his child whom he goes after. So in the same way, we have Christ showing the self-denying love. Like in the first case, the shepherd brought his sheep home on his shoulders rather than leave it in the wilderness. And then here. The woman does like everything. She lights the candle, she sweeps the house. She basically turns the thing, the place upside down, searching diligently and spared no pains with this until she found her lost money. And before we get into the whole rejoicing thing, it just strikes me that, you know, in the same way, I think what we have here is Christ affirming that he didn't spare himself. He's not gonna spare himself. When he undertakes to save sinners, he does all the things. He endures the cross scor in shame. He lays down his life for his friends. There's no greater love than that. It cannot be shown, and so Christ's love is deep and mighty. It's like this woman doing all the things, tearing the place apart to ensure that that which she knew she had misplaced comes back to her. That the full value of everything that she knows is hers. Is safe and secure in her possession and so does the Lord Jesus rejoice the safe sinners in the same way. And that's where this is incredibly powerful. It's not just, Hey, let me just say it to you one more time. There is a reemphasis here, but I like where you're going, this re-escalation. I think the first question is, why do the woman have this money? What purpose is it serving? And I think if we can at least try to appreciate some of that, then we see again how Jesus is going after that, which is that he, he wants to save the sinner. He wants to save the soul. And all of the pleasure, then all of the rejoicing comes because, and, and as a result of that context. [00:31:22] Tony Arsenal: Yeah. Yeah. [00:31:23] Theological Implications of God's People [00:31:23] Tony Arsenal: The other thing, um, maybe, and, and I hope I'm not overreading again, we've, we've talked about the dangers of overreading, the parables, but I think there's a, and we'll, we'll come to this too when we get into the, um, prodigal son. Um, there is this sense, I think in some theological traditions that. God is sort of like claiming a people who were not his own. Right. And one of the things that I love about the reform tradition, and, and I love it because this is the picture the Bible teaches, is the emphasis on the fact that God's people have been God's people. As long as God has been pondering and con like contemplating them. So like we deny eternal justification, right? Justification happens in time and there's a real change in our status, in in time when, when the spirit applies, the benefits that Christ has purchased for us in redemption, right? But there's also a very real sense that God has been looking and considering us as his people in eternity past. Like that's always. That's the nature of the Pactum salutes, the, you know, covenant of redemption election. The idea that like God is not saving a nameless, faceless people. He's not creating conditions that people can either move themselves into or take themselves out of. He has a concrete people. Who he is saving, who he has chosen. He, he, you know, prior to our birth, he will redeem us. He now, he has redeemed us and he will preserve us in all of these parables, whether it's the sheep, the coin, or as we'll get to the prodigal sun next week or, or whenever. Um. It's not that God is discovering something new that he didn't have, or it's not that the woman is discovering a coin, right? There's nothing more, uh, I think nothing more like sort of, uh, spontaneously delightful than like when you like buy a, like a jacket at the thrift store. Like you go to Salvation Army and you buy a jacket, you get home, you reach in the pocket and there's like a $10 bill and you're like, oh man, that's so, so great. Or like, you find a, you find a. A $10 bill on the ground, or you find a quarter on the ground, right? Yeah. Or you find your own money. Well, and that that's, there's a different kind of joy, right? That's the point, is like, there's a delight that comes with finding something. And again, like we have to be careful about like, like not stealing, right? But there's a different kind of joy that comes with like finding something that was not yours that now becomes yours. We talked about that with parables a couple weeks ago, right? There's a guy who finds it, he's, he's searching for pearls. He finds a pearl, and so he goes after he sells everything he has and he claims that pearl, but that wasn't his before the delight was in sort of finding something new. These parables. The delight is in reclaiming and refining something that was yours that was once lost. Right? That's a different thing. And it paints a picture, a different picture of God than the other parables where, you know, the man kind of stumbles on treasure in a field or he finds a pearl that he was searching for, but it wasn't his pearl. This is different. This is teaching us that God is, is zealous and jealous to reclaim that which was his, which was lost. Yes. Right. So, you know, we can get, we can, maybe we will next week, maybe we will dig into like super laps area versus infra laps. AIRism probably not, I don't necessarily wanna have that conversation. But there is a reality in the Bible where God has a chosen people and they are his people, even before he redeems them. [00:34:52] Jesse Schwamb: Exactly. [00:34:53] God's Relentless Pursuit of Sinners [00:34:53] Tony Arsenal: These parables all emphasize that in a different way and part of what he's, part of what he's ribbing at with the Pharisees and the, and the scribes, and this is common across all of Christ's teaching in his interactions and we get into true Israel with, with Paul, I mean this is the consistent testimony of the New Testament, is that the people who thought they were God's people. The, the Jewish leaders, especially the Pharisees, the Sadducees, the scribes, the, the sort of elites of, uh, first century Jewish believers, they really were convinced that they were God's people. And those dirty gentiles out there, they, they're not, and even in certain sense, like even the Jewish people out in the country who don't even, you know, they don't know the scriptures that like, even those people were maybe barely God's people. Christ is coming in here and he is going, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like you're asking me. You're surprised that I receive sinners and e with them. Well, I'm coming to claim that which is mine, which was lost, and the right response to that is not to turn your nose up at it. The right response is to rejoice with me that I have found my sheep that was lost, that I have reclaimed my coin that was lost. And as we'll see later on, like he really needles them at the end of the, the, uh, parable of the prodigal son. This is something I, I have to be like intentional in my own life because I think sometimes we hear conversion stories and we have this sort of, I, I guess like, we'll call it like the, the Jonah I heresy, I dunno, we won't call it heresy, but like the, the, the like Jonah impulse that we all have to be really thankful for God's mercy in our life. But sort of question whether God is. Merciful or even be a little bit upset when it seems that God is being merciful to those sinners over there. We have to really like, use these parables in our own lives to pound that out of our system because it's, it's ungodly and it's not what God is, is calling us. And these parables really speak against that [00:36:52] Jesse Schwamb: and all of us speak in. In that lost state, but that doesn't, I think like you're saying, mean that we are not God's already. That if he has established that from a trinity past, then we'd expect what others have said about God as the hound of heaven to be true. And that is he comes and he chases down his own. What's interesting to me is exactly what you've said. We often recognize when we do this in reverse and we look at the parable of the lost son, all of these elements, how the father comes after him, how there's a cha singer coming to himself. There's this grand act of repentance. I would argue all of that is in all of these parables. Not, not to a lesser extent, just to a different extent, but it's all there. So in terms of like couching this, and I think what we might use is like traditionally reformed language. And I, I don't want to say I'm overeating this, I hope I'm not at that same risk, but we see some of this like toll depravity and like the sinner is lost, unable to move forward, right? There still is like the sovereign grace of God who's initiating the salvation and there is a kind of effect of calling that God doesn't merely invite, he finds, he goes after he affects the very thing. Yeah, and I think we're seeing that here. There is. The sinner, spiritual inability. There's an utter passivity until found. The coin doesn't seek the woman. The woman seeks the coin. And in this way, I think we see God's act of searching grace. It's all there for us. Yeah, it's in a slightly different way, but I think that's what we're meant to like take away from this. We're meant to lean into that a bit. [00:38:12] Rejoicing in Salvation [00:38:12] Jesse Schwamb: And the reason why I think it leads to joy, why God is so pleased is because God has this real pleasure. Jesus has this real pleasure. The Holy Spirit has this real pleasure. To pluck sinners as brands from the burning fire. You know, it was Jesus, literally his food and drink like not to be too trite, but like his jam went upon the earth to finish the work, which he came to do. And there are many times when he says he ammi of being constrained in the spirit until this was accomplished. And it's still his delight to show mercy like you're saying He is. And even Jonah recognizes that, right. He said like, I knew you were going to be a merciful God. And so he's far more willing to save sinners than sinners are to be saved. But that is the gospel level voice, isn't it? Because we can come kicking and screaming, but in God's great mercy, not because of works and unrighteousness, but because of his great mercy, he comes and he tears everything apart to rescue and to save those whom he's called to himself. [00:39:06] Tony Arsenal: Yeah. Yeah. I love that old, um, Puritan phrase that wrath is God's alien work. And we, you know, like you gotta be careful when you start to talk that way. And the Puritans were definitely careful about everything. I mean, they were very specific when they spoke, but. When we talk about God's alien work and wrath being God's alien work, what we're saying is not, not that like somehow wrath is external to God. Like that's not what we're getting at of Right. But when you look at scripture and, and here's something that I think, um. I, I don't know how I wanna say this. Like, I think we read that the road is narrow and the the, um, you know, few are those who find it. I think we read that and we somehow think like, yeah, God, God, like, really loves that. Not a lot of people are saved. And I, I actually think that like, when we look at it, um, and, and again, like we have to be careful 'cause God, God. God decreed that which he is delighted by, and also that which glorifies him the most. Right? Right. But the picture that we get in scripture, and we have to take this seriously with all of the caveats that it's accommodated, it's anthropopathism that, you know, all of, all of the stuff we've talked about. We did a whole series on systematic theology. We did like six episodes on Divine Simplicity and immutability. Like we we're, we're right in line with the historic tradition on that. All of those caveats, uh, all of those caveats in place, the Bible pic paints a picture of God such that he grieves over. Those who are lost. Right? Right. He takes no delight in the death of the wicked. That's right. He, he, he seeks after the lost and he rejoices when he finds them. Right. He's, his, his Holy Spirit is grieved when we disobey him, his, his anger is kindled even towards his people in a paternal sense. Right. He disciplines us the way an angry father who loves us, would discipline us when we disobey him. That is a real, that's a real thing. What exactly that means, how we can apply that to God is a very complicated conversation. And maybe sometimes it's more complicated than we, like, we make it more complicated than it needs to be for sure. Um, we wanna be careful to preserve God's changeness, his immutability, his simplicity, all of those things. But at the end of the day, at. God grieves over lost sinners, and he rejoices when they come back. He rejoices when they return to him. Just as the shepherd who finds his lost sheep puts that sheep on his shoulders, right? That's not just because that's an easy way to carry a sheep, right? It's also like this picture of this loving. Intimate situation where God pulls us onto himself and he, he wraps literally like wraps us around himself. Like there are times when, um. You know, I have a toddler and there are times where I have to carry that toddler, and it's, it's a fight, right? And I don't really enjoy doing it. He's squirming, he's fighting. Then there are times where he needs me to hold him tight, and he, he snuggles in. When he falls down and hurts his leg, the first thing he does is he runs and he jumps on me, and he wants to be held tight, and there's a f there's a fatherly embrace there that not only brings comfort to my son. But it brings great joy to me to be able to comfort him that that dynamic in a, uh, a infinitely greater sense is at play here in the lost sheep. And then there's this rejoicing. It's not just rejoicing that God is rejoicing, it's the angels that are rejoicing. [00:42:43] The Joy of Redemption [00:42:43] Tony Arsenal: It's the, it's other Christians. It's the great cloud of witnesses that are rejoicing when Aah sinner is returned to God. All of God's kingdom and everything that that includes, all of that is involved in this rejoicing. That's why I think like in the first parable, in the parable of the lost sheep, it's joy in heaven. Right? It's sort of general joy in heaven. It's not specific. Then this one is even more specific. It's not just general joy in heaven. It's the angels of God. That's right. That are rejoicing. And then I think what we're gonna find, and we'll we'll tease this out when we get to the next par, well the figure in the prodigal son that is rejoicing. The one that is leading the rejoicing, the chief rejoice is the one who's the standin for God in that parable. [00:43:26] Jesse Schwamb: Right, exactly right. So, [00:43:27] Tony Arsenal: so we have to, we have to both recognize that there's a true grief. A true sorrow that is appropriate to speak of God, um, as having when a sinner is lost. And there's also an equally appropriate way to speak about God rejoicing and being pleased and delighted when a sinner returns to him. [00:43:53] Jesse Schwamb: That's the real payoff of this whole parable. I think, uh, maybe all three of them altogether, is that it is shocking how good the gospel is, which we're always saying, yeah, but I'm really always being moved, especially these last couple weeks with what Jesus is saying about how good, how truly unbelievable the gospel is. And again, it draws us to the. Old Testament scriptures when even the Israel saying, who is like this? Who is like our God? So what's remarkable about this is that there's an infinite willingness on God's part to receive sinners. [00:44:23] Tony Arsenal: Yeah. [00:44:23] Jesse Schwamb: And however wicked a man may have been, and the day that he really turns from his wickedness and comes to God by Christ, God is well pleased and all of heaven with him, and God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked, like you said, but God has pleasure and true repentance. If all of that's true, then like day to day, here's what I, I think this means for us. [00:44:41] Applying the Parable to Our Lives [00:44:41] Jesse Schwamb: Is when we come to Christ for mercy and love and help and whatever anguish and perplexity and simpleness that we all have, and we all have it, we are going with the flow. If his own deepest wishes, we're not going against them. And so this means that God has for us when we partake in the toning work of Christ, coming to Christ for forgiveness, communing with him despite our sinfulness, that we are laying hold of Christ's own deepest longing and joy. [00:45:10] Tony Arsenal: Yeah. And [00:45:10] Jesse Schwamb: Jesus is comforted when we draw near the riches of his atoning work because as his body, even his own body in a way is being healed in this process. And so we, along with it, that I think is the payoff here. That's what's just so remarkable is that not only, like you're saying, is all heaven kind of paying attention to this. Like they're cognizant of it. It's something worthy of their attention and their energies and their rejoicing. But again, it's showing that God is doing all of this work and so he keeps calling us and calling us and calling us over and over again and just like you said, the elect sinner, those estr belongs to God and his eternal purpose. Even that by itself, we could just say full stop. Shut it down end the podcast. Yeah. That's just worthy to, to rejoice and, and ponder. But this is how strong I think we see like per election in particular, redemption in these passages. Christ died for his chief specifically crisis going after the lost coin, which already belongs to him. So like you were saying, Tony, when you know, or maybe you don't know, but you've misplaced some kind of money and you put your hand in that pocket of that winter coat for the first time that season and out comes the piece of paper, that's whatever, 20 or whatever, you rejoice in that, right. Right. It's like this was mine. I knew it was somewhere, it belonged to me, except that what's even better here is this woman tears her whole place apart to go after this one coin that she knows is hers and yet has been lost. I don't know what more it is to be said. I just cannot under emphasize. Or overemphasize how great God's love is in this like amazing condescension, so that when Jesus describes himself as being gentle and lowly or gentle and humble or gentle and humiliated, that I, I think as we understand the biblical text, it's not necessarily just that he's saying, well, I'm, I'm displaying. Meekness power under control. When he says he's humble, he means put in this incredibly lowly state. Yeah. That the rescue mission, like you're saying, involves not just like, Hey, she lemme call you back. Hey, come over here, says uh. He goes and he picks it up. It's the ultimate rescue, picks it up and takes it back by his own volition, sacrificing everything or to do that and so does this woman in this particular instance, and it should lead us. I think back to there's this virtuous cycle of seeing this, experiencing this. Being compelled by the law of Christ, as Paul says, by the power of the Holy Spirit and being regenerated and then worshiping, and then repenting, and then worshiping, and then repenting, and then worshiping. Because in the midst of that repentance and that beautifulness recognizing, as Isaiah says, all of these idols that we set up, that we run to, the one thing they cannot do for us is they cannot deal with sin. They cannot bring cleanliness and righteousness through confession of sin. They cannot do that. So Christ is saying, come to the one you who are needy, you who have no money. To use another metaphor in the Bible, come and buy. And in doing so, we're saying, Christ, Lord have mercy on me, a sinner. And when he says, come, come, I, I've, I have already run. After you come and be restored, come and be renewed. That which was lost my child. You have been found and I have rescued you. [00:48:04] Tony Arsenal: Yeah. Yeah. And these, these are so, um, these two parables are so. Comfortable. Like, right, like they are there, there are certain passages of scripture that you can just like put on like a big fuzzy warm bathrobe on like sn a cold morning, a snuggy. Yeah. I don't know if I want to go that far, but spirits are snuggy and, and these two are like that, right? Like, I know there are times where I feel like Christ redeemed me sort of begrudgingly, right? Mm-hmm. I think we have, we have this, um, concept in our mind of. Sort of the suffering servant, you know, like he's kind of like, ah, if I have to do it, I will. Right, right. And, and like, I think we, we would, if, if we were the ones who were, were being tasked to redeem something, we might do it. You know, we might do it and we. We might feel a certain sense of satisfaction about it, but I can tell you that if I had a hundred sheep and I had lost one, I would not lay it on my shoulder rejoicing. I would lay it on my shoulder. Frustrated and glad that I finally found it, but like. Right. Right. That's not what Christ did. That's right. Christ lays us on his shoulders rejoicing. Right. I know. Like when you lose something, it's frustrating and it's not just the loss of it that's frustrating. It's the time you have to take to find it. And sometimes like, yeah, you're happy that you found it, but you're like, man, it would've just been nice if I hadn't lost this in [00:49:36] Jesse Schwamb: the That's right. [00:49:37] Tony Arsenal: This woman, there's none of that. There's no, um, there's no regret. There's no. Uh, there's no begrudging this to it. There's nothing. It's just rejoicing. She's so happy. And it's funny, I can imagine, uh, maybe, maybe this is my own, uh, lack of sanctification here. I can imagine being that friend that's like, I gotta come over 'cause you found your coin, right? Like, I can be, I could imagine me that person, but Right. But honestly, like. This is a, this is a situation where she's so overcome with joy. She just has to tell people about it. Yeah. She has to share it with people. It, it reminds me, and I've seen this, I've seen this, um, connection made in the past certainly isn't new to me. I don't, I don't have any specific sorts to say, but like the woman at the well, right. She gets this amazing redemption. She gets this, this Messiah right in front of her. She leaves her buckets at the well, and she goes into a town of people who probably hate her, who think she's just the worst scum of society and she doesn't care. She goes into town to tell everybody about the fact that the Messiah has come, right? And they're so like stunned by the fact that she's doing it. Like they come to see what it is like that's what we need to be like. So there's. There's an element here of not only the rejoicing of God, and again, like, I guess I'm surprised because I've, I've, I've never sort of really read this. Part, I've never read this into it too much or I've never like really pulled this out, but it, now that I'm gonna say it, it just seems logical, like not only is God rejoicing in this, but again, it should be calling us to rejoice, right? Christ is. Christ is using these parables to shame the Pharisees and the scribes who refuse to rejoice over the salvation of sinners. How often do we not rejoice over our own salvation sufficiently? Like when's the last time? And I, I don't want to, this is, this can be a lot of loss. So again, like. God is not calling every single person to stand up on their lunch table at work, or, I don't know if God's calling anybody to stand up on the lunch table at work. Right. To like, like scream about how happy they are that they're sick, happy, happy. But like, when's the last time you were so overcome with joy that in the right opportunity, it just over, like it just overcame you and you had to share it. I don't rem. Putting myself bare here, like I don't remember the last time that happened. I share my faith with people, like my coworkers know that I'm a Christian and, um, my, they know that like, there are gonna be times where like I will bring biblical ethics and biblical concepts into my work. Like I regularly use bible examples to illustrate a principle I'm trying to teach my employees or, or I will regularly sort of. In a meeting where there's some question about what the right, not just like the correct thing to do, but the right thing to do. I will regularly bring biblical morality into those conversations. Nobody is surprised by that. Nobody's really offended by it. 'cause I just do it regularly. But I don't remember the last time where I was so overcome with joy because of my salvation that I just had to tell somebody. Right. And that's a, that's a, that's an indictment on me. That's not an indictment on God. That's not an indictment on anyone else. That's an indictment on me. This parable is calling me to be more joyful about. My salvation. [00:52:52] Jesse Schwamb: Yeah. One of the, I think the best and easiest verses from Psalms to memorize is let the redeemed of the Lord say so. Yes. Like, say something, speak up. There's, there's a great truth in what you're saying. Of course. And I think we mentioned this last time. There's a communal delight of redemption. And here we see that played out maybe a little bit more explicitly because the text says that the joy is before the angels, meaning that still God is the source of the joy. In other words, the angels share in God's delight night, vice versa, and not even just in salvation itself, but the fact that God is delighted in this great salvation, that it shows the effectiveness of his saving power. All that he has designed will come to pass because he super intends his will over all things that all things, again are subservient to our salvation. And here, why would that not bring him great joy? Because that's exactly what he intends and is able to do. And the angels rejoice along with him because his glory is revealed in his mighty power. So I'm, I'm with you. I mean, this reminds me. Of what the author of Hebrew says. This is chapter 12, just the first couple of verses. Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses in this communal kind of redemption of joy surrounding us. Laying aside every weight and the sin,

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In this season-finale episode of The Burleson Box, Dustin Burleson is joined by longtime collaborator and digital marketing pioneer Jimmy Nicholas for a wide-ranging conversation on how artificial intelligence is actively reshaping dentistry and orthodontics.Their story goes back more than a decade to the Dan Kennedy GKIC days, a marketer-of-the-year competition, and the early experiments that turned Google into one of Dustin's top sources of new patients. Now, after selling his agency and sitting out a non-compete, Jimmy returns with a new focus on AI, compliance, automation, and what he calls “simple alignment” across marketing, operations, and team communication.This conversation moves well past surface-level AI hype. Dustin and Jimmy unpack what is actually working right now inside real practices, what most doctors still misunderstand, and where real opportunity exists heading into 2026.You will hear why Answer Engine Optimization, or AEO, may soon matter more than traditional SEO, how AI is changing follow-up systems, phone automation, and patient communication, and why most medical and dental websites are still invisible to large language models. They also discuss the risks that come with careless AI use, including HIPAA violations, hallucinated data, and unreliable financial calculations.This episode is essential listening for any practice owner who wants to stay competitive, protect their team's time, and apply AI with discipline rather than guesswork.Resources Mentioned:AI Beta Group (Free Community)Wealthy Entrepreneur Strategy Consultations ***The Burleson Box is brought to you by OrthoFi:Grow More. Worry Less. Simplify Your Practice with OrthoFi.Did you know that practices using OrthoFi start more patients and reduce financial barriers without adding complexity to their operations? With OrthoFi, you can simplify the insurance and patient financial process, streamline collections, and free up your team to focus on patient care. OrthoFi combines smart technology with patient-friendly payment solutions to help you start more treatment, improve cash flow, and deliver a better overall experience. Patients love the flexibility. Practices love the results.Take advantage of a platform built specifically for orthodontists and dental specialists—helping you manage everything from eligibility verification to automated payment processing in one easy-to-use system. Grow your starts. Increase your efficiency. And reduce the headaches of insurance and collections with OrthoFi.Want to learn more? Schedule a demo today and see how OrthoFi can help your practice thrive.Click below to learn more:OrthoFi.com*** Go Premium: Members get early access, ad-free episodes, hand-edited transcripts, exclusive study guides, special edition books each quarter, powerpoint and keynote presentations and two tickets to Dustin Burleson's Annual Leadership Retreat.http://www.theburlesonbox.com/sign-up Stay Up to Date: Sign up for The Burleson Report, our weekly newsletter that is delivered each Sunday with timeless insight for life and private practice. Sign up here:http://www.theburlesonreport.com Follow Dustin Burleson, DDS, MBA at:http://www.burlesonseminars.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Former bartender and opiate addict Eric Turney hit multiple rock bottoms, including jail and failed treatment attempts, before a surprise wake up call changed everything. When he and his partner learned they were expecting their first child, Eric decided he was done burning bridges. He got serious about 12 step recovery and took a chance on a new life as an entry level sales rep at a small promotional products company. Today, Eric is the President and Sales and Marketing Director of The Monterey Company, a custom branded merch company founded in 1989 that creates premium challenge coins, lapel pins, belt buckles, hats, apparel, and more for brands like Google, Amazon, Target, Bentley, Lions Clubs, military units, and local organizations. After the founder offered employees the chance to buy the business, Eric and his partners stepped up and took it over. In this conversation, Eric and I dig into his journey through addiction and recovery, how he rebuilt his life and career, and why he believes high quality merch beats cheap “trash trinkets” every time. We talk challenge coins and club pins, wild custom projects like Bentley letter openers and ultra marathon belt buckles, the surprising subculture of lapel pin collectors, and how smart SEO and retargeting help The Monterey Company stand out in a noisy world. We also get hungry talking barbecue, smoked salmon, oysters, and crab mac and cheese, and we close with Eric sharing what people often get wrong when they look at his life now and why mentoring others in recovery has become a powerful form of therapy. If you care about second chances, small business, or branding that actually means something, you are going toSend us a textJoin us in spreading holiday cheer and making a child's Christmas magical! Agape Projects is hosting a special fundraising drive for our annual Toy Run, aiming to brighten the lives of children in need. Your generous contribution will help us bring joy and laughter to little hearts this holiday season. Together, let's make a difference and create unforgettable memories for the children in our community.

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In this episode of The Ross Simmonds Show, Ross dives deep into one of the most fundamental marketing shifts of our time — the emergence of Generative Engine Optimization (GEO). As AI-powered discovery tools like ChatGPT, Perplexity, Google AI Overviews, Reddit Answers, TikTok Search, and more evolve, traditional SEO strategies are no longer enough. Ross unpacks how marketers need to rethink content creation, distribution, and visibility across platforms, focusing not just on ranking, but on being cited, trusted, and remembered. Whether you're an SEO pro, a content marketer, or someone navigating the changing digital landscape, this episode offers a powerful perspective on where discovery is heading and how you can position your brand for success. Key Takeaways and Insights: 1. The Shift from Traditional SEO to GEO - The discovery journey is changing — not all search begins (or ends) on Google. - GEO (Generative Engine Optimization) is not just about keywords and backlinks, but about engaging with AI-powered platforms like ChatGPT, Claude, Perplexity, You.com, Reddit, TikTok, YouTube, and more. - Terminology wars (AISEO, AEO, GEO) are less important than understanding the strategic implications of the shift. 2. Where AI Discovery is Happening - AI overviews and LLMs (large language models) pull data from varied sources, not just webpages — Reddit, YouTube, TikTok, and UGC are key. - Clicking is becoming less important as AI agents deliver answers before users even leave the platform. 3. YouTube's Role in GEO - YouTube isn't just social media — it's the second-biggest search engine and a major citation source for LLMs. - Talking head videos, product comparisons, and keyword-aligned titles matter more than ever. - A poor YouTube strategy (short, shallow clips) means your audience never finds you. 4. Listicles, PR, and Affiliate Strategy in the AI Age - AI often weighs citations based on list ranking — being #8 consistently limits visibility. - Your affiliate and digital PR strategies must now consider how high you appear on listicles that AI sources from. - Move beyond backlinks to placements, citations, and brand mentions across high-impact domains. 5. Tailoring Content for Audience-Specific Queries - LLMs recognize nuances: “best for beginners” vs. “best for enterprise” matters. - Brands should create multiple landing pages tailored to different personas (as long as it's high quality and not duplicated). 6. The Difference Between SEO and GEO - GEO includes SEO, but it's broader — it encompasses TikTok search, Instagram Reels, Reddit, and any platform with discovery. - GEO is about visibility in AI-powered interfaces, not just search rankings. 7. The Predictive Future of Discovery - Personalized AI results are here: Google's AI Overviews may use Gmail, Calendar, Chrome history to shape responses. - The future consumer journey might completely bypass websites and search engines. Resources & Tools:

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In this episode of "The Free Lawyer," host Gary interviews Eric Ritter, CEO of Digital Neighbor and digital marketing professor, about law firm growth through effective SEO and branding. Eric shares his journey into legal marketing, the importance of defining an ideal client, and how law firms can stand out in a crowded market. They discuss AI's impact on legal marketing, the value of continuous learning and coaching, and practical strategies for work-life balance. Eric emphasizes building authentic brands and sustainable marketing systems, offering actionable advice for lawyers seeking fulfillment and long-term success.Eric Ritter is the CEO & Founder of Digital Neighbor, a nationally recognized SEO and digital marketing agency specializing in law firm growth. With over a decade of experience, Eric is a leading authority in legal marketing and AI-driven client acquisition. Known as "The SEO Sommelier," he simplifies complex digital strategies to drive growth for law firms.Eric is an adjunct professor at the University of South Florida, teaching digital marketing. He has also been featured in Authority Magazine, Search Engine Watch, and Porch. He hosts The Search Bar Podcast and leads Sip & Search, a networking series for attorneys.In addition to his professional work, Eric is actively involved in the community, serving on multiple nonprofit boards in the Tampa Bay area.Eric's Journey into Legal Marketing (00:02:10) The SEO Sommelier Concept (00:03:07) Myth 1: The Ideal Client Profile (00:04:28)SEO Focus and Resource Allocation (00:06:11)Standing Out in a Crowded Market (00:06:56) Myth 2: All Cases Are the Same (00:09:08) Consistency and Lawyer Involvement in Marketing (00:10:48) Digital Neighbor's Differentiation (00:12:44) Teaching and Staying Current (00:13:46) AI's Impact on Digital Marketing (00:15:06) The Future of Digital Marketing (00:16:58) Answer Engine Optimization (00:20:17) Sustained Law Firm Growth vs. Burnout (00:21:15) The Value of Coaching and Professional Development (00:22:44) Lawyer Fulfillment and Avoiding Burnout (00:24:19) First Steps for Established Law Firms (00:25:04) Work-Life Balance and Delegation (00:26:16) Recharging and Hobbies (00:28:02) Transformation Through Marketing (00:29:44)Would you like to learn what it looks like to become a truly Free Lawyer? You can schedule a complimentary call here: https://calendly.com/garymiles-successcoach/one-one-discovery-callWould you like to learn more about Breaking Free or order your copy? https://www.garymiles.net/break-freeYou can find The Free Lawyer Assessment here- https://www.garymiles.net/the-free-lawyer-assessment

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Do you feel crystal clear on the heart of your message… but totally stuck when it comes to naming your podcast? Like, you know exactly who you want to serve, what you want to talk about, and why it matters—but your title just isn't landing, isn't searchable, or doesn't feel like you?   In this highly requested behind-the-scenes peek inside Podcast to Profit, I'm coaching my student, Holly, through crafting her podcast title and tagline (TSO). She came in knowing her mission and her listener, but needed help refining her messaging so her title was clear, compelling, and SEO-rich.   Listen in as we workshop Holly's title and tagline and walk through the same strategic, Spirit-led process you can use for your own show. If you've been stuck naming your podcast or clarifying your message, this episode will give you insight on how to get clear and create something your ideal listener can actually find and connect with.   I pray this blesses you!   Ready to Make Consistent Income From a Podcast?  Join my 5-Day Profitable Podcast Bootcamp! I'll show you how to create a podcast that makes steady income on autopilot—without relying on social media.

In this episode of the RiskReversal Podcast, host Dan Nathan speaks with Alex Sherman, co-founder and CEO of Bluefish, about the transformative impact of AI on e-commerce and marketing. They discuss how Bluefish aids large brands in gaining visibility and influence over how major AI platforms portray their products. The conversation covers the rapid evolution of AI technology, challenges for e-commerce giants like Amazon and Walmart, and the shift from traditional SEO to AI-driven marketing. Alex shares insights on how AI is changing consumer behavior, the adaptation required by brands, and the influence of large language models on market performance. They also touch on future challenges and opportunities for brands navigating this new landscape. —FOLLOW USYouTube: @RiskReversalMediaInstagram: @riskreversalmediaTwitter: @RiskReversalLinkedIn: RiskReversal Media

In this episode of the Healthy, Wealthy and Smart podcast, host Dr. Karen Litzy sits down with Amy-Lynn Taylor, Jane's Customer Insights and Enablement Expert, to discuss the innovative solutions Jane offers to healthcare practitioners. Amy shares her journey from the US support team to her current role, emphasizing the importance of customer feedback in product development. The conversation covers Jane's AI scribe, community building, and upcoming features, providing listeners with insights into how Jane is transforming the healthcare industry.     Takeaways Amy Lynn Taylor emphasizes the importance of customer feedback in product development. Jane offers a free plan for practitioners to try AI Scribe with up to five notes a month. The AI scribe has been a game-changer for many practitioners, improving their workflow. Jane's community-building began organically and remains a priority. The platform integrates AI to enhance user experience and streamline processes. Jane's customer support is highly praised for its dedication and effectiveness. Upcoming features include secure messaging and telehealth capabilities in the client app. Jane websites can now be created quickly with AI, integrating seamlessly with the platform. The platform's community includes Facebook groups for users and non-users to connect. Jane's AI tools help clinics build their social media presence and improve SEO.   Chapters 00:00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:00:00 Amy Lynn Taylor's Journey and Role 00:00:00 Jane's AI Scribe and Free Plan 00:00:00 Community Building and Customer Support 00:00:00 Upcoming Features and Innovations 00:00:00 Conclusion and Key Takeaways   More About Amy-Lynn: Amy-Lynn is part of the amazing team that helps Jane's Customer Success crew work smarter, not harder. She is passionate about keeping the voice of the customer at the heart of everything I do. That means finding ways to turn feedback into action, streamline processes, and make life easier for the incredible people who spend their day fulfilling Jane's mission to "Help the Helpers." It's part detective work, part problem-solving, and 100% about creating a better experience for everyone.   Resources from this Episode: Jane EMR Jane on Facebook Jane on Instagram Jane App Community on FB Jane App US Billing Community on FB Amy-Lynn on LinkedIn   Jane Sponsorship Information: Book a one-on-one demo here Mention the code LITZY1MO for a free month   Follow Dr. Karen Litzy on Social Media: Karen's Instagram Karen's LinkedIn   Subscribe to Healthy, Wealthy & Smart: YouTube Website Apple Podcast Spotify SoundCloud Stitcher iHeart Radio

I don't know what 2025 has looked like for you, but if it's been like MANY people I've heard from, it's been... a bit of a whirlwind.  Truly, even if this year has been fantastic, there are probably a few discouraging things that came your way because #life. So if you're needing some tools to encourage yourself the BIBLICAL way, listen to this episode and learn 5 tips to encourage yourself in the Lord!   Want to pray over your business, but you're not sure how?  Get 5 days of prayer starters sent to your inbox.  Free training: Learn how to get 300X More Website Traffic in a Year in 3 Simple Steps  Get the Keyword Research Kickstart- Cut ALL the fluff and Learn how to use Ubersuggest the easiest and most effective way possible- in less than an hour! Join Simple SEO Framework & Group Coaching Program. Learn how to get 300%, 500%, even 12,000% more website traffic in a year.  to get your website set up for SEO Success in a DAY & learn how to maintain a traffic-generating machine in 2hrs/ week. Ready to get your website copy AND your SEO strategy DONE in a day? Snag a spot for a VIP Copy Day! Book your discovery call here! Join the Facebook Group Email info@faithhanan.com

When I say this man changed the trajectory of my career, I mean it. Damon Burton, the founder of SEO National, author of Outrank, and the man quietly trusted by names like Tony Robbins and Russell Brunson, joins me for one of the most honest, tactical, and transformational conversations we've ever had on The Purpose Chasers Podcast.In this episode, Damon breaks down:How he built an SEO agency that's dominated for 18+ years with zero hype and zero gimmicksWhy documenting beats performing in today's branding landscapeHow social proof becomes a conversion engine, not a flexWhy SEO is the most slept-on long-term asset for creators, coaches, and entrepreneursThe truth about closing big-name clients — and what you must believe about yourself to do itHow to know when it's time to bet on yourself and go all-in on your purposeThis episode is a masterclass in grounded marketing, brand authority, and the inner game creators must master to build something real.If you're a coach, creator, artist, or healer looking to elevate your brand and look as good online as you are in real life — this is your episode.Book a call with Mark: thepurposechasers.com/links

Episode 591 of the Lawyerist Podcast explores one of the most urgent questions facing law firms today: how do you stay findable when Google and AI are rewriting the rules of search? SEO expert Cyrus Shepard explains how zero-click search, AI-generated answers, and new “experience” signals are transforming the way law firms must think about content, visibility, and online authority.  Cyrus and Stephanie discuss why informational blog posts no longer drive the traffic they once did, how to structure content so LLMs can “read” and reference it, and why brand signals now carry more weight than keywords. They also cover how to evaluate SEO vendors, what metrics matter in an AI-first world, and simple steps lawyers can take to establish trust and expertise online.    Links from the episode:  lawyerist.com/scorecard  Zyppy.com    Listen to our previous episodes about Practical AI for Law.   #562 – Beyond ChatGPT: The AI Revolution Happening Inside Your Firm, with Charreau Bell — Apple | Spotify | LTN  #565 – Becoming the AI-Driven Leader, with Geoff Woods — Apple | Spotify | LTN  #452 – Managing AI in Your Practice, with Ed Walters — Apple | Spotify | LTN  #501 – Future-Proofing Your Firm in the Age of AI, with Jack Newton — Apple | Spotify | LTN    Have thoughts about today's episode? Join the conversation on LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram, and X!  If today's podcast resonates with you and you haven't read The Small Firm Roadmap Revisited yet, get the first chapter right now for free! Looking for help beyond the book? See if our coaching community is right for you.  Access more resources from Lawyerist at lawyerist.com.    Chapters / Timestamps:   00:00 – Intro & Scorecard03:53 – Meet Cyrus Shepard05:12 – How AI Is Changing Search06:00 – Zero-Click & AI Overviews07:26 – Why Old Content Tactics Fail08:57 – Shifting Toward Brand Authority10:09 – Writing Content LLMs Can Read11:33 – Showing Experience with E-E-A-T14:23 – Reddit, YouTube & Source Signals15:51 – Where New Firms Should Start17:18 – Brand Building as SEO Strategy18:27 – Vetting SEO Agencies Today20:40 – Metrics That Actually Matter22:03 – Real-World Visibility Wins22:21 – Wrap-Up & Where to Find Cyrus 

In this episode of The Redefined Business Podcast, Brittni sits down with SEO expert and Digital Bloom IQ founder, Cinthia Pacheco, to discuss how SEO is evolving in the age of AI. Cinthia breaks down practical, simple strategies for creating content that ranks, how to choose keywords that attract the right audience, how AI tools like ChatGPT influence search results, and why blogging is still one of the most powerful long-term marketing tools. Whether you're tired of social media or want more sustainable ways to grow your visibility, this episode gives you actionable steps to make SEO work for your business.   Resources: The Meeting Place Membership Rock The Reels 1:1 Coaching Free Client Welcome Guide Additional Trainings and Resources Connect with Brittni: Follow me on the Gram - @brittni.schroeder Join my Facebook Group  Visit my website Subscribe to my Youtube You can find the complete show notes here: https://brittnischroeder.com/podcast/SEO-and-AI-with-Cinthia-Pacheco  

If your marketing swings from frantic bursts to total silence, you're not alone—and you're not broken. We've seen the same pattern in studios and remodelers for years: a few social posts, a one-off newsletter, a trade show, then disappearing when jobs heat up. The result is a lead drought that shows up right when you're busiest. We're changing that with a straightforward, design-first framework that turns scattered tasks into a system you can run even on a packed calendar.We break down the five pillars every design or remodeling business needs: foundation, visibility, authority, nurture, and sales. Foundation starts with your website as the hub you control, supported by practical SEO and a complete Google Business Profile so you're visible in local search. Visibility is about consistent presence where homeowners and builders already look. Authority builds trust through PR, media mentions, and awards that shorten sales cycles and raise perceived value. Nurture keeps relationships warm with value-first emails and thoughtful check-ins that turn single projects into repeat work and referrals. Sales ties it all together with a clear path from inquiry to signed agreement, backed by simple steps and follow-ups that convert.You'll hear real stories that prove small changes move fast. A designer who lived on Facebook rebuilt their foundation after a six-week shutdown and stabilized lead flow. An academy member who felt intimidated by PR landed a Forbes mention within a month once they focused. A celebrated interior designer revived “dead” email by switching to an 80-20 value mix and watched opens and conversions climb. We finish with a quick-start plan for 2026: pick one pillar for Q1, set one action you can complete, and choose one person to keep you accountable. No 60-page plan. Just momentum you can feel.Ready to ditch random marketing and build a system that holds up under real-world workload? Listen now, then subscribe, share with a colleague, and leave a quick review to help more design pros find us. Want deeper support? Grab the link in the show notes to join our live masterclass and map your 12-month plan together.If you would like to get the links and show notes for this episode, click on the link below:​Master Class LinkTransform your marketing with Designer Discussions Academy. In weekly face-to-face sessions, we equip busy business owners with cutting-edge PR strategies, marketing insights, and time-saving tools to not just work in your business, but on your business. Join us to outshine competitors and elevate your business.Join us for our weekly live sessions and workshops: https://www.designerdiscussionsmarketing.studio/pages/academyDesigner Discussions is an educational interior design podcast on marketing, PR and related business topics. We also provide in-depth, actionable products in the Marketing Studio including time-saving templates and guides to help design professionals grow their businesses. Download our FREE Client Avatar Guide https://designerdiscussionsmarketing.studio/store. Designer Discussions is a partnership of three experts: Jason Lockhart, CEO of KABMS; Maria Martin, founder of DesignAppy; and Mirjam Lippuner, founder of Get Ink DIY

Os contamos como realizamos todo el movimiento de nuestra web applelianos.com gracias a nuestro patrocinador seoxan.es nos traemos a su CEO Alex rubio el cual nos explicara todos los pasos que realizamos y os daré mi opinión sobre la experiencia de todo el proceso. La marcha de Alan Dye se suma a otras salidas clave en Apple, como las de Ruoming Pang, Ke Yang, Abidur Chowdhury o el futuro adiós de John Giannandrea, en un contexto en el que también se habla cada vez más de la retirada de Tim Cook. Todo esto deja la sensación de que la “vieja guardia” que definió el ADN de diseño y producto de Apple se está diluyendo, y muchos usuarios y fans desearían ver de vuelta ese espíritu original que cuidaba hasta el último detalle del hardware, el software y hasta el unboxing de un iPhone. En Applelianos lo vivimos como un cambio de era: Meta gana talento para acelerar sus productos de IA y realidad mixta, mientras Apple afronta un relevo generacional interno donde el gran reto es mantener la excelencia sin perder ese toque casi obsesivo por el diseño que la vieja guardia convirtió en seña de identidad. Más que nostalgia, lo que se pide es que regrese esa filosofía de producto integral, donde cada interfaz, cada gesto y cada caja contaban una historia muy clara de lo que significa “ser Apple”. https://seoxan.es/crear_pedido_hosting Codigo Cupon "APPLE" PATROCINADO POR SEOXAN Optimización SEO profesional para tu negocio https://seoxan.es https://uptime.urtix.es //Enlaces https://www.cultofmac.com/news/meet-apples-new-ui-design-chief-stephen-lamay https://daringfireball.net/2025/12/bad_dye_job PARTICIPA EN DIRECTO Deja tu opinión en los comentarios, haz preguntas y sé parte de la charla más importante sobre el futuro del iPad y del ecosistema Apple. ¡Tu voz cuenta! ¿TE GUSTÓ EL EPISODIO? ✨ Dale LIKE SUSCRÍBETE y activa la campanita para no perderte nada COMENTA COMPARTE con tus amigos applelianos SÍGUENOS EN TODAS NUESTRAS PLATAFORMAS: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Applelianos Telegram: https://t.me/+Jm8IE4n3xtI2Zjdk X (Twitter): https://x.com/ApplelianosPod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/applelianos Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/39QoPbO

In this episode, Brian and Chad Hall unpack the "Simple–Complicated–Complex" lens for leaders and coaches—how to tell which kind of situation you're facing and how to respond differently so you stop over-analyzing the unknowable and start learning your way forward. Key Highlights Definitions with pictures: Simple = obvious cause/effect (dominoes). Complicated = cause/effect exists but requires expertise (car engine, medical diagnosis). Complex = patterns only clear in hindsight; outcomes shift as actors adapt (rainforest, economy, AI). The core mistake: Treating complex problems with complicated tools—endless analysis and confidence theater—when what's needed is experimentation and learning. Operate by domain: Simple → standardize and simplify; Complicated → analyze, measure, hire experts; Complex → place small bets, learn fast, adapt. Real-world examples: Hiring during COVID, SEO after algorithm shifts, tariffs and the economy, competition dynamics (new stores nearby), church growth models—each shows why yesterday's levers stop working. Beyond business: Parenting and long-range strategy are inherently complex—near-term is clearer, long-term requires humility, feedback loops, and patience. Takeaways Name the game first. Ask: Is this simple, complicated, or complex? Your tactics should match the domain. In complex spaces, act to learn. Don't wait for perfect clarity—run small experiments, gather feedback, iterate. Save analysis for the right problems. Use experts and diagnostics where cause/effect can genuinely be mapped. Bias toward simplicity. Wherever possible, reduce processes to the simplest reliable system (hello, E-Myth). Hold plans loosely. What worked may stop working; assume adaptation is part of the job, not a detour.

Are you unknowingly sabotaging your podcast during December—the single most misunderstood month for growth?Most creators slow down, post randomly, or disappear entirely during the holidays… and then wonder why January feels like pushing a broken car uphill. This episode breaks down the three biggest mistakes podcasters do in December that destroy momentum, shrink your listener base, and delay your monetization goals.In this episode, you'll learn how to avoid the traps that cost podcasters listeners every single year and discover why Christmas is secretly one of the easiest times to grow your show.You'll walk away knowing:How to keep listeners loyal while everyone else ghosts their audienceHow to use your 2025 data strategically so 2026 becomes your fastest growth yearHow to create timely, irresistible content that pulls in new listeners during the holidaysIf you want momentum—not regret—hit play and learn exactly how to avoid the biggest mistakes podcasters do in December.More From Get More Listeners:Click here and grab your free copy of our best selling book Podcast Marketing + A mini podcast audit.Or visit: https://getmorelisteners.com/bookView client results & case studiesLooking for a new hosting platform with amazing analytics? Try Captivate for free hereEmail admin@getmorelisteners.com to get in contact with Taig & Anthony.This podcast is for entrepreneurs to learn proven podcasting audience growth, marketing & monetization tips & strategies including data-driven SEO, guesting, and social media strategy.You'll learn how to grow and monetize faster, get more listeners and engagement, increase downloads, attract more subscribers, clients or sponsors, and turn your show into a revenue-generating platform.If you listen to any of the following shows, we're sure you'll ours too! Podcasting Made Simple by Alex Sanfilippo, Grow The Show: How to Grow a Podcast Audience & Monetize by Kevin Chemidlin, School of Podcasting by Dave Jackson, Grow My Podcast Show by Deirdre Tshien, Podcast Marketing Trends Explained by Jeremy Enns & Justin Jackson, Organic Marketing Simplified by Juliana Barbati.

Subscribe and watch this episode on YouTube In this captivating episode, bestselling author and award-winning businesswoman Sonja Pototzki-Raymond, also known as 'The Search Queen,' shares her profound journey of personal and professional growth. Sonya discusses how her struggles with fertility led her to a deep healing journey through personal development and discovering plant medicine. She talks about how these experiences not only helped her heal from past traumas but also fueled the exponential growth of her business.  Sonja emphasizes the importance of aligning personal evolution with business success and sheds light on how facing her darkest moments empowered her to become a better mother and business leader. The conversation delves into the significance of questioning societal norms, embracing natural healing, and holding true to one's values. Sonja's story is a powerful testament to resilience, self-integration, and living a life of purpose and authenticity. 00:57 Sonya's Personal and Business Journey 01:43 The Fertility Struggle and Personal Development 03:09 Discovering Psychedelics and Personal Transformation 04:57 The Impact of Psychedelics on Business and Personal Life 07:48 The Role of Psychedelics in Healing and Growth 14:05 Integration and Respect for Plant Medicine 18:29 The Importance of Personal Responsibility and Healing 25:05 Questioning Modern Medicine and Embracing Natural Healing 32:17 The Miracle of Life and Corporate Control 33:05 Questioning Systems and Industries 34:09 Natural Living and Parenting Choices 35:12 Government Responsibility vs. Parental Responsibility 39:33 The Age of Aquarius and Personal Empowerment 48:36 Generational Trauma and Healing 56:04 Balancing Awareness and Positivity 01:02:59 The Power of Self-Belief and Sovereignty Connect with Sonja on Instagram  Get your free Google Ads and SEO checklist here IG: @marciacolosi | TikTok: @marciacolosi LI: @marciacolosi | FB: @marciamiatke  Ready to take your life and relationships to the next level? Follow The EQ Academy Official where you'll learn to optimise your emotions, leverage your feminine and masculine energies and show up your most confident and radiant self!  

How to Build a Winning Strategy for Your B2B Brand In a fast-paced business environment, marketers, agencies, and consultants must proactively help clients differentiate their brands in the marketplace. One way of doing this is by analyzing the strategy, messaging, and brand positioning, both for their own brands and key competitors. So how can teams conduct this kind of brand research and competitive analysis in a way that's insightful, efficient, and actionable for planning the next steps? Tune in as the B2B Marketers on Mission Podcast presents the Marketing DEMO Lab Series, where we sit down with Clay Ostrom (Founder, Map & Fire) and his SmokeLadder platform designed for brand research, messaging and positioning analysis, and competitive benchmarking. In this episode, Clay explained the platform's origins and features, emphasizing its role in analyzing brand positioning, core messaging, and competitive landscapes. He also stressed the importance of clear, consistent brand positioning and messaging, and how standardized make it easier to compare brands across multiple business values. Clay also highlighted the value of objective, data-driven analysis to identify brand strengths, weaknesses, and gaps, and how tools like SmokeLadder can save significant time in gathering insights to build trust with clients. He provided practical steps for generating, refining, and exporting brand messaging and analysis for internal or client-facing use. Finally, Clay also discussed how action items and recommendations generated from analysis can immediately support smart brand strategy decisions and expedite trust-building with clients. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4_o1PzF1Kk Topics discussed in episode: [1:31] The purpose behind building SmokeLadder and why it matters for B2B teams [12:00] A walkthrough of the SmokeLadder platform and how it works [14:51] SmokeLadder's core features [17:48] How positioning scores and category rankings are calculated [35:36] How differentiation and competitors are analyzed inside SmokeLadder [44:07] How SmokeLadder builds messaging and generates targeted personas [50:24] The key benefits and unique capabilities that set SmokeLadder apart Companies and links: Clay Ostrom Map & Fire SmokeLadder Transcript Christian Klepp  00:00 In an increasingly competitive B2B landscape, marketers, agencies and consultants, need to proactively find ways to help their clients stand out amidst the digital noise. One way of doing this is by analyzing the strategy, messaging and positioning of their own brands and those of their competitors. So how can they do this in a way that’s insightful, efficient and effective? Welcome to this first episode of the B2B Marketers in the Mission podcast Demo Lab Series, and I’m your host, Christian Klepp. Today, I’ll be talking to Clay Ostrom about this topic. He’s the owner and founder of the branding agency Map and Fire, and the creator of the platform Smoke Ladder that we’ll be talking about today. So let’s dive in. Christian Klepp  00:42 All right, and I’m gonna say Clay Ostrom. Welcome to this first episode of the Demo Lab Series. Clay Ostrom  00:50 I am super excited and very honored to be the first guest on this new series. It’s awesome. Christian Klepp  00:56 We are honored to have you here. And you know, let’s sit tight, or batten down the hatches and buckle up, and whatever other analogy you want to throw in there, because we are going to unpack a lot of interesting features and discuss interesting topics around the platform that you’ve built. And I think a good place to start, perhaps Clay before we start doing a walk through of the platform is, but let’s start at the very beginning. What motivated you to create this platform called Smoke Ladder. Clay Ostrom  01:31 So we should go all the way back to my childhood. I always dreamed of, you know, working on brand and positioning. You know, that was something I’ve always thought of since the early days, but no, but I do. I own an agency called Map and Fire, so I’ve been doing this kind of work for over 10 years now, and have worked with lots and lots of different kinds of clients, and over that time, developed different frameworks and a point of view about how to do this kind of work, and when the AI revolution kind of hit us all, it just really struck me that this was an opportunity to take a lot of that thinking and a lot of that, you know, again, my perspective on how to do this work and productize that and turn it into something that could be used by people when we’re not engaged with them, in some kind of service offering. So, so that was kind of the kernel of it. I actually have a background in computer science and product. So it was sort of this natural Venn diagram intersection of I can do some product stuff, I can do brand strategy stuff. So let’s put it together and build something. Christian Klepp  02:46 And the rest, as they say, is history. Clay Ostrom  02:49 The rest, as they say, is a lot of nights and weekends and endless hours slaving away at trying to build something useful. Christian Klepp  02:58 Sure, sure, that certainly is part of it, too. Clay Ostrom  03:01 Yeah. Christian Klepp  03:02 Let’s not keep the audience in suspense for too long here, right? Like, let’s start with the walk through. And before you share your screen, maybe I’ll set this up a little bit, right? Because you, as you said, like, you know, you’ve built this platform. It’s called Smoke Ladder, which I thought was a really clever name. It’s, you like to describe it as, like, your favorite SEO (Search Engine Optimization) tool, but for brand research and analysis. So I would say, like, walk us through how somebody would use this platform, like, whether they be a marketer that’s already been like in the industry for years, or is starting out, or somebody working at a brand or marketing agency, and how does the platform address these challenges or questions that people have regarding brand strategy, analysis and research? Clay Ostrom  03:49 Yeah, yeah. I use that analogy of the SEO thing, just because, especially early on, I was trying to figure out the best way to describe it to someone who hasn’t seen it before. I feel like it’s a, I’m not going to fall into the trap of saying, this is the only product like this, but it has its own unique twists with what it can do. And I felt like SEO tools are something everybody has touched at one point or another. So I was using this analogy of, it’s like the s, you know, Semrush of positioning and messaging or Ahrefs, depending on your if you’re a Coke or Pepsi person. But I always felt like that was just a quick way to give a little idea of the fact that it’s both about analyzing your own brand, but it’s also about competitive analysis and being able to see what’s going on in the market or in your landscape, and looking specifically at what your competitors are doing and what their strengths and weaknesses are. So does that resonate with you in terms of, like, a shorthand way, I will say, I don’t. I don’t say that. It’s super explicitly on the website, but it’s been in conversation. Christian Klepp  05:02 No, absolutely, absolutely, that resonated with me. The only part that didn’t resonate with me is that I’m neither a coke or a Pepsi person. I’m more of a ginger ale type of guy. I digress. But yeah, let’s what don’t you share your screen, and let’s walk through this, right? Like, okay, if a marketing person were like, use the platform to do some research on, perhaps that marketers, like own company and the competitors as well, right? Like, what would they do? Clay Ostrom  05:32 Yeah, so that’s, that is, like you were saying, there’s, sort of, I guess, a few different personas of people who would potentially use this. And initially I was thinking a little more about both in house, people who, you know, someone who’s working on a specific brand, digging really deep on their own brand, whether they’re, you know, the marketing lead or whatever, maybe they’re the founder, and then this other role of agency owners, or people who work at an agency where they are constantly having to look at new brands, new categories, and quickly get up to speed on what those brands are doing and what’s the competitive space look like, you know, for that brand. And that’s something that, if you work at an agency, which obviously we both have our own agencies, we do this stuff weekly. I mean, every time a new lead comes in, we have to quickly get up to speed and understand something about what they do. And one of the big gaps that I found, and I’d be curious to kind of hear your thoughts on this, but I’ve had a lot of conversations with other agency owners, and I think one of the biggest gaps is often that brands are just not always that great at explaining their own brand or positioning or differentiation to you, and sometimes they have some documentation around it, but a lot of times they don’t. A lot of it’s word of mouth, and that makes it really hard to do work for them. If whatever you’re doing for them, whether that’s maybe you are working on SEO or maybe you’re working on paid ads or social or content, you have to know what the brand is doing and kind of what they’re again, what their strengths and weaknesses are, so that you can talk about that. I mean, do you come across that a lot in your work? Christian Klepp  07:33 How do I say this without offending anybody? I find, I mean jokes aside, I find, more often than not, in the especially in the B2B space, which is an area that I operate in, I find 888 point five times out of 10. We are dealing with companies that have a they, have a very rude, rudimentary, like, framework of something that remotely resembles some form of branding. And I know that was a very long winded answer, but it’s kind of sort of there, but not really, if you know what I mean. Clay Ostrom  08:17 Yeah. Christian Klepp  08:17 And there have been other extreme cases where they’ve got the logo and the website, and that’s as far as their branding goals. And I would say that had they had all these, this discipline, like branding system and structure in place, then people like maybe people like you and I will be out on a job, right and it’s something, and I’m sure you’ve come across this, and we’ll probably dig into this later, but like you, it’s something I’ve come across several times, especially in the B2B space, where branding is not taken seriously until it becomes serious. I know that sounds super ironic, right, but, and it’s to the point of this platform, right, which we’re going to dig into in a second, but it’s, it’s things, for instance, positioning right, like, are you? Are you, in fact, strategically positioned against competitors? Is your messaging resonating with, I would imagine, especially in the B2B context, with the multiple group target groups that you have, or that your company is, is going after? Right? Is that resonating, or is this all like something that I call the internal high five? You’ve this has all been developed to please internal stakeholders and and then you take it to market, and it just does not, it just does not resonate with the target audience at all. Right? So there’s such a complex plethora of challenges here, right? That people like yourself and like you and I are constantly dealing with, and I think that’s also part of the reason why I would say a platform like this is important, because it helps to not just aggregate data. I mean, certainly it does that too, but it helps. To put things properly, like into perspective at speed. I think that might be, that might be something that you would have talked about later, but it does this at speed, because I think, from my own experience, one of the factors in our world that sometimes works against us is time, right? Clay Ostrom  10:19 No, I totally agree, yeah, and, you know, we’re lucky, I guess would be the word that we are often hired to work on a company strategy with them and help them clarify these things. Christian Klepp  10:33 Absolutely. Clay Ostrom  10:34 There are a million other flavors of agencies out there who are being hired to execute on work for a brand, and not necessarily being brought in to redefine, you know what the brand, you know they’re positioning and their messaging and some of these fundamental things, so they’re kind of stuck with whatever they get. And like you said, a lot of times it’s not much. It might be a logo and a roughly put together website, and maybe not a whole lot else. So, yeah, but I think your other point about speed is that was a huge part of this. I think the market is only accelerating right now, because it’s becoming so much easier to start up new companies and new brands and new products. And now we’ve got vibe coding, so you can technically build a product in a day, maybe launch it the next day, start marketing it, you know, by the weekend. And all of this is creating noise and competition, and it’s all stuff that we have to deal with as marketers. We have to understand the landscape. We’ve got to quickly be able to analyze all these different brands, see where the strengths and weaknesses are and all that stuff. So… Christian Klepp  11:46 Absolutely. Clay Ostrom  11:46 But, yeah, that, I think that the speed piece is a huge part of this for sure. Christian Klepp  11:51 Yeah. So, so we’re okay, so we’re on the I guess this, this will probably be the homepage. So just walk us through what, what a marketing person would do if they want to use this platform, yeah? Clay Ostrom  12:00 So the very first thing you do when you come in, and this was when I initially conceived of this product, one of the things that I really wanted was the ability to have very quick feedback, be able to get analysis for whatever brand you’re looking at, you know, right away to be able to get some kind of, you know, insight or analysis done. So the first thing you can do, and you can do this literally, from the homepage of the website, you can enter in a URL for a brand, come into the product, even before you’ve created an account, you can come in and you can do an initial analysis, so you can put in whatever URL you’re looking at, could be yours, could be a competitor, and run that initial analysis. What we’re looking at here, this is, if you do create an account, this is, this becomes your, as we say, like Home Base, where you can save brands that you’re looking at. You can see your history, all that good stuff. And it just gives you some quick bookmarks so that you can kind of flip back and forth between, maybe it’s your brand, maybe it’s some of the competitors you’re looking at and then it gives you just some quick, kind of high level directional info. And I kind of break it up into these different buckets. Clay Ostrom  13:23 And again, I’d love to kind of hear if this is sort of how you think about it, too. But there’s sort of these different phases when you’re working on a brand. And again, this is sort of from an agency perspective, but you first got the sort of the research and the pitch piece. So this is before maybe you’re even working with them. You’re trying to get an understanding of what they do. Then we have discovery and onboarding, where we’re digging in a little bit deeper. We’re trying to really put together, what does the brand stand for, what are their strengths and weaknesses? And then we have the deeper dive, the strategy and differentiation. And this is where we’re really going in and getting more granular with the specific value points that they offer, doing some of that messaging analysis, finding, finding some of the gaps of the things that they’re talking about or not talking about, and going in deeper. So it kind of break it up into these buckets, based on my experience of how we engage with clients. Does that? Does that make sense to you, like, does that? Christian Klepp  14:28 It does make sense, I think. But what could be helpful for the audience is because this, this almost looks like it’s a pre cooked meal. All right, so what do we do we try another I mean, I think you use Slack for the analysis. Why don’t we use another brand, and then just pop it into that analysis field, and then see what it comes out with. Clay Ostrom  14:51 So the nice thing about this is, if you are looking at a brand that’s been analyzed, you’re going to get the data up really quickly. It’ll be basically pop up instantly. But you can analyze a brand from scratch as well. Just takes about a minute or so, basically, to kind of do some of the analysis. So for the sake of a demo, it’s a little easier just to kind of look at something that we’ve got in there. But if it’s a brand that you know, maybe you’re looking at a competitor for one of your brands, you know, there’s a good chance, because we’ve got about 6000 brands that we’ve analyzed in here, that there’s a good chance there’ll be some info on them. But so this is pipe drive. So whoever’s not familiar Pipedrive is, you know, it’s a CRM  (Customer Relationship Management), it’s, it’s basically, you know, it’s a lighter version of a HubSpot or Salesforce basically track deals and opportunities for business, but this so I flipped over. I don’t know if it was clear there, but I flipped over to this brand brief tab. And this is where we we get, essentially, a high level view of some key points about the brand and and I think about this as this would be something that you would potentially share with a client if you were, you know, working with them and you wanted to review the brand with them and make sure that your analysis is on point, but you’ll see it’s kind of giving you some positioning scores, where you rank from a category perspective, message clarity, and then we’ve got things like a quick overview, positioning summary, who their target persona is, in this case, sales manager, sales operation lead, and some different value points. And then it starts to get a little more granular. We get into like key competitors, Challenger brands. We do a little SWOT (Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, and Threats) analysis, and then maybe one of the more important parts is some of these action items. So what do we do with this? Yeah, and obviously, these are, these are starting points. This is not, it’s not going to come in and, you know, instantly be able to tell you strategically, exactly what to do, but it’s going to give you some ideas of based on the things we’ve seen. Here are some reasonable points that you might want to be looking at to, you know, improve the brand. Make it make it stronger. Christian Klepp  17:13 Gotcha. Gotcha. Now, this is all great clay, but like, I think, for the benefit of the audience, can we scroll back up, please. And let’s just walk through these one by one, because I think it’s important for the audience/potential future users,/ customers of Smoke Ladder, right? To understand, to understand this analysis in greater depth, and also, like, specifically, like, let’s start with a positioning score right, like, out of 100 like, what is this? What is this based on? And how was this analyzed? Let’s start with that. Clay Ostrom  17:48 Yeah, and this is where the platform really started. And I’m going to actually jump over to the positioning tab, because this will give us the all the detail around this particular feature. But this is, this was where I began the product this. I kind of think of this as being, in many ways, sort of the heart and soul of it. And when I mentioned earlier about this being based on our own work and frameworks and how we approach this, this is very much the case with this. This is, you know, the approach we use with the product is exactly how we work with clients when we’re evaluating their positioning. And it’s, it’s basically, it’s built off a series of scores. And what we have here are 24 different points of business value, which, if we zoom in just a little bit down here, we can see things like reducing risk, vision, lowering cost, variety, expertise, stability, etc. So there’s 24 of these that we look at, and it’s meant to be a way that we can look across different brands and compare and contrast them. So it’s creating, like, a consistent way of looking at brands, even if they’re not in the same category, or, you know, have slightly different operating models, etc. But what we do is we go in and we score every brand on each of these 24 points. And if we scroll down here a little bit, we can see the point of value, the exact score they got, the category average, so how it compares against, you know, all the other brands we’ve analyzed, and then a little bit of qualitative information about why they got the score. Christian Klepp  19:27 Sorry, Clay, Can I just jump in for a second so these, these attributes, or these key values that you had in the graph at the top right, like, are these consistent throughout regardless of what brand is being analyzed, or the least change. Clay Ostrom  19:42 It’s consistent. Christian Klepp  19:43 Consistent? Clay Ostrom  19:44 Yeah, and that was one of the sort of strategic decisions we had to make with the product. Was, you know, there’s a, maybe another version of this, where you do different points depending on maybe the category, or, you know, things like that. But I wanted to do it consistent because, again, it allows us to look at every brand through the same lens. It doesn’t mean that every brand you know there are certain points of value that just aren’t maybe relevant for a particular brand, and that’s fine, they just won’t score as highly in those but at least it gives us a consistent way to look at so when you’re looking at 10 different competitors, you know you’ve got a consistent way to look at them together,. Christian Klepp  20:26 Right, right, right. Okay, okay, all right, thanks for that. Now let’s go down to the next section there, where you’ve got, like this table with like four different columns here. So you mentioned that these are being scored against other brands in their category. Like, can you share it with the audience? Like, how many other brands are being analyzed here? Clay Ostrom  20:51 Yeah, well, it depends on the category. So again, we’ve got six, you know, heading towards 7000 brands that we’ve analyzed collectively. Each category varies a little bit, but, you know, some categories, we have more brands than others. But what this allows us to do is, again, to quickly look at this and say, okay, for pipe drive, a big focus for pipe drive is organization, simplification. You know, one of their big value props is we’re an easier tool to use than Salesforce or HubSpot. You can get up to speed really quickly. You don’t have all the setup and configurations and all that kind of stuff. So this is showing us that, yes, like their messaging, their content, their brand, does, in fact, do a good job of making it clear that simplicity is a big part of pipe drive’s message. And they do that by talking about it a lot in their messaging, having case studies, having testimonials, all these things that support it. And that’s how we come up with these scores. Is by saying, like the brand emphasizes these points well, they talk about it clearly, and that’s what we base it on. Christian Klepp  22:04 Okay, okay. Clay Ostrom  22:06 But as you come, I was just gonna say as you come down here, you can see, so the green basically means that they score well above average for that particular point. Yellow is, you know, kind of right around average, or maybe slightly above, and then red means that they’re below average for that particular point. So for example, like variety of tools, they don’t emphasize that as much with pipe drive, maybe compared to, again, like a Salesforce or a HubSpot that has a gazillion tools, pipe drive, that’s not a big focus for them. So they don’t score as highly there, but you can kind of just get a quick view of, okay, here are the things that they’re really strong with, and here are the things that maybe they’re, you know, kind of weak or below average. Christian Klepp  22:58 Yeah, yeah. Well, that’s certainly interesting, because I, you know, I’ve, I’ve used the, I’ve used the platform for analyzing some of my clients, competitor brands. And, you know, when I’m looking at this, like analysis with the scoring, with the scoring sheet, it, I think it will also be interesting perhaps in future, because you’ve got a very detailed breakdown of, okay, the factors and how they’re scored, and what the brand value analysis is also, because, again, in the interest of speed and time, it’d be great if the platform can also churn out maybe a one to two sentence like, summary of what is this data telling us, right? Because I’m thinking back to my early days as a product manager, and we would spend hours, like back then on Excel spreadsheets. I’m dating myself a little bit here, but um, and coming up with this analysis and charts, but presenting that to senior management, all they wanted to know was the one to two sentence summary of like, come on. What are you telling me with all these charts, like, what is the data telling you that we need to know? Right? Clay Ostrom  24:07 I know it’s so funny. We again, as strategists and researchers, we love to nerd out about the granular details, but you’re right. When you’re talking to a leader at a business, it does come down to like, okay, great. What do we do? And so, and I flipped back over to slacks. I knew I had already generated this but, but we’re still in the positioning section here, but we have this get insights feature. So basically it will look at all those scores and give you kind of, I think, similar to what you’re describing. Like, here’s three takeaways from what we’re seeing. Okay, okay, great, yeah, so we don’t want to leave you totally on your own to have to figure it all out. We’ll give you, give you a little helping hand. Christian Klepp  24:53 Yeah. You don’t want to be like in those western movies, you’re on your own kid. Clay Ostrom  24:59 Yeah. We try not to strand you again. There’s a lot of data here. I think that’s one of the strengths and and challenges with the platform, is that we try to give you a lot of data. And for some people, you may not want to have to sift through all of it. You might want just sort of give me the three points here. Christian Klepp  25:19 Absolutely, absolutely. And at the very least they can start pointing you in the right direction, and then you could be, you could then, like, through your own initiative, and perhaps dig a little bit deeper and perhaps find some other insights that may be, may be relevant, right? Clay Ostrom  25:35 Totally. Christian Klepp  25:36 Hey, it’s Christian Klepp here. We’ll get back to the episode in a second. But first, I’d like to tell you about a new series that we’re launching on our show. As the B2B landscape evolves, marketers need to adapt and leverage the latest marketing tools and software to become more efficient. Enter B2B Marketers on a Mission Marketing Demo Lab where experts discuss the latest tools and software that empower you to become a better B2B marketer. Tune in as we chat with product experts. Provide unbiased product reviews, give advice and deliver insights into real world applications and actionable tips on tools and technologies for B2B marketing. Subscribe to the Marketing Demo Lab, YouTube channel and B2B Marketers on a Mission, on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your favorite podcasts. Christian Klepp  26:21 All right. Now, back to the show, if we can, if we could jump back, sorry, to the, I think it was the brand brief, right? Like, where we where we started out, and I said, let’s, let’s dig deeper. Okay, so then, then we have, okay, so we talked about positioning score. Now we’re moving on to category rank and message clarity score. What does that look like? Clay Ostrom  26:41 Yeah. So the category rank is, it’s literally just looking at the positioning score that you’ve gotten for the brand and then telling you within this category, where do you sort of fall in the ranking, essentially, or, like, you know, how do we, you know, for comparing the score against all the competitors, where do you fall? So you can see, with Slack, they’re right in the middle. And it’s interesting, because with a product like Slack, even though we all now know what slack is and what it does and everything. Christian Klepp  27:18 Yeah. Clay Ostrom  27:19 The actual messaging and content that they have now, I think maybe doesn’t do as good of a job as it maybe did once upon a time, and it’s gotten as products grow and brands grow, they tend to get more vague, a little more broad with what they talk about, and that kind of leads to softer positioning. So that’s sort of what we’re seeing reflected here. And then the third score is the message clarity score, which we can jump into, like, a whole different piece. Christian Klepp  27:48 Four on a tennis not a very high score, right? Clay Ostrom  27:52 Yeah. And again, I think it’s a product, of, we can kind of jump into that section. Christian Klepp  27:57 Yeah, let’s do that, yeah. Clay Ostrom  27:59 But it’s, again, a product, I think of Slack being now a very mature product that is has gotten sort of a little vague, maybe a little broader, with their messaging. But the message clarity score, we basically have kind of two parts to this on the left hand side are some insights that we gather based on the messaging. So what’s your category, quick synopsis of the product. But then we also do some things, like… Christian Klepp  28:33 Confusing part the most confusing. Clay Ostrom  28:36 Honestly to me, as I get I’d love to hear your experience with this, but coming into a new brand, this is sometimes one of the most enlightening parts, because it shows me quickly where some gaps in what we’re talking about, and in this case, just kind of hits on what we were just saying a minute ago. Of the messaging is overloaded with generic productivity buzzwords, fails to clearly differentiate how Slack is better than email or similar tools, etc. But also, this is another one that I really like, and I use this all the time, which is the casual description. So rather than this technical garbage jargon, you know, speak, just give me. Give it to me in plain English, like we’re just chatting. And so this description of it’s a workplace chat app for teams to message, collaborate, share files. Like, okay, cool. Like, yeah, you know, I get it. Yeah, I already know what slack is. But if I didn’t, that would tell me pretty well. Christian Klepp  29:33 Absolutely, yeah, yeah. No, my experience with this is has been, you know, you and I have been in the branding space for a while. So for the trained eye, when you look at messaging, you’ll know if it’s good or not, right. And we come I mean, I’m sure you do the same clay, but I also come to my own like conclusions based on experience of like, okay, so why do I think that that’s good messaging, or why do I think that that’s confusing messaging? Or it falls short, and why and how can that be improved? But it’s always good to have validation with either with platforms like this, where you have a you have AI, or you have, you have a software that you can use that analyzes, like, for example, like the messaging on a website, and it dissects that and says, Well, okay, so this is what they’re getting, right? So there’s a scoring for that, so it’s in the green, and then this is, this is where it gets confusing, right? So even you run that through, you run that through the machine, and the machine analyzes it as like, Okay, we can’t clearly, clearly define what it is they’re doing based on the messaging, right? And for me, that’s always a it’s good. It’s almost like getting a second doctor’s opinion, right? And then you go, Aha. So I we’ve identified the symptoms now. So let’s find the penicillin, right? Like, let’s find the remedy for this, right? Clay Ostrom  30:56 Yeah, well, and I like what you said there, because part of the value, I think, with this is it’s an objective perspective on the brand, so it doesn’t have any baggage. It’s coming in with fresh eyes, the same way a new customer would come into your website, where they don’t know really much about you, and they have to just take what you’re giving at face value about what you present. And we as people working on brands get completely blinded around what’s actually working, what’s being communicated. There’s so much that we take for granted about what we already know about the brand. And this comes in and just says, Okay, I’m just, I’m just taking what you give me, and I’m going to tell you what I see, and I see some gaps around some of these things. You know, I don’t have the benefit of sitting in your weekly stand up meeting and hearing all the descriptions of what you’re actually doing. Christian Klepp  31:59 I’m sorry to jump in. I’m interested to know, like, just, just based on what we’ve been reviewing so far, like, what has your experience been showing this kind of analysis to clients, and how do they respond to some of this data, for example, that you know, you’re walking us through right now? Clay Ostrom  32:18 Yeah, I think it’s been interesting. Honestly, I think it can sometimes feel harsh. And I think again, as someone who’s both run an agency and also built worked on brands, we get attached to our work on an emotional level. Christian Klepp  32:42 Absolutely. Clay Ostrom  32:42 Even if we think about it as, you know, this is just work, and it’s, you know, whatever, we still build up connections with our work and we want it to be good. And so I think there’s sometimes a little bit of a feeling of wow, like that’s harsh, or I would have expected or thought we would have done better or scored better in certain areas, but that is almost always followed up with but I’m so glad to know where, where we’re struggling, because now I can fix it. I can actually know what to focus on to fix, and that, to me, is what it’s all about, is, yes, there’s a little bit of feelings attached to some of these things, maybe, but at the end of the day, we really want it to be good. We want it to be clear. We don’t want to be a 4 out of 10. We want to be a 10 out of 10. And what specifically do we need to do to get there? And that’s really what we’re trying to reveal with this. So I think, you know, everybody’s a little different, but I would say the reactions are typically a mix of that. It’s like, maybe an ouch, but a Oh, good. Let’s work on it. Christian Klepp  33:55 Absolutely, absolutely. Okay. So we’ve got brand summary, we’ve got fundamentals, then quality of messaging is the other part of it, right? Clay Ostrom  34:02 So, yeah, so this, this is, this is where the actual 4 out of 10 comes. We have these 10 points that we look at and we say, Okay, are you communicating these things clearly? Are you communicating who your target customer is, your category, your offering, where you’re differentiated benefits? Do you have any kind of concrete claim about what you do to support you know what you’re what you’re selling? Is the messaging engaging? Is it concise? You’ll see here a 7% on concise. That’s basically telling us that virtually no brands do a good job of being concise. Only about 7% get a green check mark on this, and kind of similar with the jargon and the vague words big struggle points with almost every brand. Christian Klepp  34:55 Streamline collaboration. Clay Ostrom  34:58 So we can see here with Slack. You know some of the jargon we got, KPIs (Key Performance Indicators), MQLs (Marketing Qualified Lead), if you’re in the space, you could argue like, oh, I kind of know what those things are. But depending on your role, you may not always know. In something like Salesforce marketing cloud, unless you’re a real Salesforce nerd, you probably have no idea what that is. But again, it’s just a way to quickly identify some of those weak points, things that we could improve to make our message more clear. Christian Klepp  35:27 Yes, yes. Okay, so that was the messaging analysis correct? Clay Ostrom  35:33 Yeah. Christian Klepp  35:33 Yeah. Okay. So what else have we got? Clay Ostrom  35:36 Yeah, so I think one other thing we could look at just for a sec, is differentiation, and this is this kind of plays off of what we looked at a minute ago with the positioning scores. But this is a way for us to look head to head with two different brands. So in this case, we’ve got Slack in the red and we’ve got Discord in the greenish blue. And I think of these, these patterns, as sort of the fingerprint of your brand. So where you Where are you strong? Where are you weak? And if we can overlay those two fingerprints on top of each other, we can see, where do we have advantages, and where does our competitor have advantages? So if we come down, we can sort of see, and this is again, for the nerds like me, to be able to come in and go deep, do kind of a deep dive on specifically, why did, why does Discord score better than Slack in certain areas. And at the bottom here we can see a kind of a quick summary. So slack is stronger in simplification, saving time, Discord has some better messaging around generating revenue, lowering costs, marketability. But again, this gives us a way to think about what are the things we want to double down on? So what do we want to actually be known for in the market? Because we can’t be known for everything. You know, buyers can maybe only remember a couple things about us. What are those couple things where we’re really strong, where we really stand out, and we’ve got some separation from the competitors. Christian Klepp  37:18 Right, okay, okay, just maybe we take a step back here, because I think this is great. It’s very detailed. It gets a bit granular, but I think it’s also going back to a conversation that you and I had previously about, like, Okay, why is it so important to be armed with this knowledge, especially if you’re in the marketing role, or perhaps even an agency talking to a potential client going in there already armed with the information about their competitors. And we were talking about this being a kind of like a trust building mechanism, right? For lack of a better description, right? Clay Ostrom  38:03 Yeah, I think to me, what I like about this, and again, this does come out of 10 years of doing work, this kind of work with clients as well, is it’s so easy to fall into a space of soft descriptions around things like positioning and just sort of using vague, you know, wordings or descriptions, and when you can actually put a number on it, which, again, it’s subjective. This isn’t. This isn’t an objective metric, but it’s a way for us to compare and contrast. It allows us to have much more productive conversations with clients, where we can say we looked at your brand, we we what based on our analysis, we see that you’re scoring a 10 and a 9 on simplicity and organization, for example. Is that accurate to you like do you think that’s what you all are emphasizing the most? Does that? Does that resonate and at the same time, we can say, but your competitors are really focused on there. They have a strong, strong message around generating revenue and lowering costs for their customers. Right now, you’re not really talking about that. Is that accurate? Is that like, what you is that strategically, is that what you think you should be doing so really quickly, I’ve now framed a conversation that could have been very loose and kind of, you know, well, what do you think your strategy is about? What do you know? And instead, I can say, we see you being strong in these three points. We see your competitors being strong in these three points. What do you think about that? And I think that kind of clarity just makes the work so much more productive with clients, or just again, working on your own brand internally. So what do you think about that kind of perspective? Christian Klepp  40:08 Yeah, no, no, I definitely agree with that. It’s always and I’ve been that type of person anyway that you know you go into a especially with somebody that hasn’t quite become a client yet, right? One of the most important things is also, how should I put this? Certainly the trust building part of it needs to be there. The other part is definitely a demonstration of competence and ability, but it’s also that you’ve been proactive and done your homework, versus like, Okay, I’m I’m just here as an order taker, right? And let’s just tell me what to do, and I’ll do it right? A lot and especially, I think this has been a trend for a long time already, but a lot of the clients that I’ve worked with now in the past, they want to, they’re looking for a partner that’s not just thinking with them, it’s someone that’s thinking ahead of them. And this type of work, you know what we’re seeing here on screen, this is the type of work that I would consider thinking ahead of them, right? Clay Ostrom  41:18 No, I agree. I think you framed that really well. Of we’re trying to build trust, because if we’re going to make any kind of recommendations around a change or a shift, they have to believe that we know what we’re talking about, that we’re competent, that we’ve done the work. And I think I agree with you. I think like this, it’s kind of funny, like we all, I think, on some base level, are attracted to numbers and scores. It just gives us something to latch on to. But I think it also, like you said, it gives you a feeling that you’ve done your work, that you’ve done your homework, you’ve studied, you’ve you’ve done some analysis that they themselves may have never done on this level. And that’s a big value. Christian Klepp  42:08 Yes, and a big part of the reason just to, just to build on what you said, a big part of the reason why they haven’t done this type of work is because it’s not so much. The cost is certainly one part of it, but it’s the time, it’s a time factor and the resource and the effort that needs to be put into it. Because, you know, like, tell me if you’ve never heard this one before, but there are some, there are some companies that we’ve been working with that don’t actually have a clearly, like, you know, a clear document on who their their target personas are, yeah, or their or their ICPs, never mind the buyer’s journey map. They don’t, they don’t even have the personas mapped out, right? Clay Ostrom  42:52 100% Yeah, it’s, and it’s, I think you’re right. It’s, it’s a mix of time and it’s a mix of just experience where, if you are internal with a brand, you don’t do this kind of work all the time. You might do it at the beginning. Maybe you do a check in every once in a while, but you need someone who’s done this a lot with a lot of different brands so that they can give you guidance through this kind of framework. But so it’s, you know, so some of it is a mix of, you know, we don’t have the time always to dig in like this. But some of it is we don’t even know how to do it, even if we did have the time. So it’s hopefully giving, again, providing some different frameworks and different ways of looking at it. Christian Klepp  43:41 Absolutely, absolutely. So okay, so we’ve gone through. What is it now, the competitor comparison. What else does the platform provide us that the listeners and the audience should be paying attention to here? Clay Ostrom  43:55 So I’ll show you two more quick things. So one is this message building section. So this is… Christian Klepp  44:03 Are you trying to put me out of a job here Clay? Clay Ostrom  44:07 Well, I’ll say this. So far in my experience with this, it’s not going to put us out of a job, but it is going to hopefully make our job easier and better. It’s going to make us better at the work we do. And that’s really, I think that’s, I think that’s kind of, most people’s impression of AI at this point is that it’s not quite there to replace us, but it’s sure, certainly can enhance what we do. Christian Klepp  44:36 Yeah, you’ll excuse me, I couldn’t help but throw that one out. Clay Ostrom  44:38 Yeah, I know, trust me, I’m this. It’s like I’m building a product that, in a sense, is undercutting, you know, the work that I do. So it is kind of a weird thing, but this message building section, which is a new part of the platform. It will come in, and you can see on the right hand side. And there’s sort of a quick summary of all these different elements that we’ve already analyzed. And then it’s going to give you some generated copy ideas, including, if I zoom in a little bit here, we’ve got an eyebrow category. This is again for Slack. It’s giving us a headline idea, stay informed without endless emails. Sub headline call to action, three challenges that your customers are facing, and then three points about your solution that help address those for customers. So it’s certainly not writing all of your copy for you, but if you’re starting from scratch, or you’re working on something new, or even if you’re trying to refresh a brand. I think this can be helpful to give you some messaging that’s hopefully clear. That’s something that I think a lot of messaging misses, especially in B2B, it’s, it’s not always super clear, like what you even do. Christian Klepp  45:56 Don’t get me started. Clay Ostrom  45:59 So hopefully it’s clear. It’s, you know, again, it’s giving you some different ideas. And that you’ll see down here at the bottom, you can, you can iterate on this. So we’ve got several versions. You can actually come in and, you know, you can edit it yourself. So if you say, like, well, I like that, but not quite that, you know, I can, you know, get my human touch on it as well. But yeah, so it’s a place to iterate on message. Christian Klepp  46:25 You can kind of look at it like, let’s say, if you’re writing a blog article, and this will give you the outline, right? Yeah. And then most of the AI that I’ve worked with to generate outlines, they’re not quite there. But again, if you’re starting from zero and you want to go from zero to 100 Well, that’ll, that’ll at least get you to 40 or 50, right? But I’m curious to know, because we’re looking at this now, and I think this, I mean, for me, this is, this is fascinating, but, like, maybe, maybe this will be part of your next iteration. But will this, will this generate messaging that’s already SEO optimized. Clay Ostrom  47:02 You know, it’s not specifically geared towards that, but I would say that it ends up being maybe more optimized than a lot of other messaging because it puts such an emphasis on clarity, it naturally includes words and phrases that I think are commonly used in the space more so than you know, maybe just kind of typical off the shelf Big B2B messaging, Christian Klepp  47:27 Gotcha. I had a question on the target persona that you’ve got here on screen, right? So how does the platform generate the information that will then populate that field because, and when I’m just trying to think about like, you know, because I’ve been, I’ve been in the space for as long as you have, and the way that I’ve generated target personas in the past was not by making a wild guess about, like, you know, looking at the brand’s website. It’s like having conducting deep customer research and listening to hours and hours of recordings, and from there, generating a persona. And this has done it in seconds. So… Clay Ostrom  48:09 Yeah, it’s so the way the system works in a couple different layers. So it does an initial analysis, where it does positioning, messaging analysis and category analysis, then you can generate the persona on top of that. So it takes all the learnings that it got from the category, from the product, from your messaging, and then develops a persona around that. And it’s, of course, able to also pull in, you know, the AI is able to reference things that it knows about the space in general. But I have found, and this is true. I was just having a conversation with someone who works on a very niche brand for a very specific audience, and I was showing him what it had output. And I said, Tell me, like, Don’t hold back. Like, is this accurate? He said, Yeah, this is, like, shockingly accurate for you know, how we view our target customer. So I think it’s pretty good. It’s not again, not going to be perfect. You’re going to need to do some work, and you still got to do the research, but, but, yeah. Christian Klepp  49:13 Okay, fantastic, fantastic. How do, I guess there’s the option, I see it there, like, download the PDF. So anything that’s analyzed on the platform can then be exported in a PDF format, right? Like, like, into a report. Clay Ostrom  49:28 Yeah, right now you can export the messaging analysis, or, sorry, the the messaging ideation that you’ve done, and then in the brand brief you can also, you can download a PDF of the brand brief as well. So, those are the two main areas. I’m still working on some additional exports of data so that people can pull it into a spreadsheet and do some other stuff with it. Christian Klepp  49:49 Fantastic, fantastic. That’s awesome, Clay. I’ve got a couple more questions before I let you go. But this has been, this has been amazing, right? Like and I really hope that whoever’s in the one listening and, most importantly, watching this, I hope that you really do consider like, you know, taking this for a test drive, right? How many I might have asked you this before, because, you know, I am somebody that does use, you know, that does a lot of this type of research. But how much time would you say companies would save by using Smoke Ladder? Clay Ostrom  50:24 It’s a good question. I feel like I’m starting to get some feedback around that with from our users, but I mean, for me personally, I would typically spend an hour or two just to get kind of up to speed initially, with a brand and kind of look at some of their competitors. If I’m doing a deep dive, though, if I’m actually doing some of the deeper research work, it could be several hours per client. So I don’t know. On a given week, it might depend on how many clients you’re talking to. Could be anywhere from a few hours to 10 hours or more, depending on how much work you’re doing. But, yeah, I think it’s a decent amount. Christian Klepp  51:07 Absolutely, absolutely. I mean, this definitely does look like a time saver. Here comes my favorite question, which you’re gonna look at me like, Okay, I gotta, I gotta. Clay Ostrom  51:17 Now bring it on. Let’s go. Christian Klepp  51:22 Folks that are not familiar with Smoke Ladder are gonna look at this, um, and before they actually, um, take it upon themselves to, like, watch, hopefully, watch this video on our channel. Um, they’re gonna look at that and ask themselves, Well, what is it that Smoke Ladder does that? You know that other AI couldn’t do, right, like, so I guess what I’m trying to say is, like, Okay, why would they use? How does the platform differ from something like ChatGPT, Perplexity or Claude, right? To run a brand analysis? Clay Ostrom  52:00 Yeah, no, I think it’s a great question. I think it’s sort of the it’s going to be the eternal AI question for every product that has an AI component. And I would say to me, it’s three things. So one is the data, which we talked about, and I didn’t show you this earlier, but there is a search capability in here to go through our full archive of all the brands we’ve analyzed, and again, we’ve analyzed over 6000 brands. So the data piece is really important here, because it means we’re not just giving you insights and analysis based on the brand that you’re looking at now, but we can compare and contrast against all the other brands that we’ve looked at in the space, and that’s something that you’re not going to get by just using some off the shelf standard LLM  (Large Language Model) and doing some, you know, some quick prompts with that. The next one, I think, to me that’s important is it’s the point of view of the product and the brand. Like I said, this is built off of 10 plus years of doing positioning and messaging work in the space. So you’re getting to tap into that expertise and that approach of how we do things and building frameworks that make this work easier and more productive that you wouldn’t get, or you wouldn’t know, just on your own. And then the last one, the last point, which is sort of the kind of like the generic software answer, is you get a visual interface for this stuff. It’s the difference between using QuickBooks versus a spreadsheet. You can do a lot of the same stuff that you do in QuickBooks and a spreadsheet, but wouldn’t you rather have a nice interface and some easy buttons to click that make your job way, way easier and do a lot of the work for you and also be able to present it in a way that’s digestible and something you could share with clients? So the visual component in the UI is sort of that last piece. Christian Klepp  54:01 Absolutely. I mean, it’s almost like UX and UI one on one. That’s, that’s pretty much like a big part of, I think what it is you’re trying to build here, right? Clay Ostrom  54:13 Yeah, exactly. It’s just it’s making all of those things that you might do in an LLM just way, way easier. You know, you basically come in, put in your URL and click a button, and you’re getting access to all the data and all the insights and all this stuff so. Christian Klepp  54:29 Absolutely, absolutely okay. And as we wrap this up, this has been a fantastic conversation, by the way, how can the audience start using Smoke Ladder, and how can they get in touch with you if they have questions, and hopefully good questions. Clay Ostrom  54:47 Yeah, so you can, if you go to https://smokeladder.com/ you can, you can try it out. Like I said, you can basically go to the homepage, put in a URL and get started. You don’t even have to create an account to do the initial analysis. But you can create FREE account. You can dig in and see, you know, play around with all the features, and if you use it more, you know, we give you a little bit of a trial period. And if you use it beyond that, then you can pay and continue to use it, but, but you can get a really good flavor of it for free. Christian Klepp  55:16 Fantastic, fantastic. Oh, last question, because, you know, it’s looking me right in the face now, industry categories. How many? How many categories can be analyzed on the platform? Clay Ostrom  55:26 Yeah, yeah. So right now, we have 23 categories in the system currently, which sounds like a lot, but when you start to dig into especially B2B, it’s we will be evolving that and continuing to add more, but currently, there’s 23 different categories of businesses in there. Christian Klepp  55:46 All right, fantastic, fantastic. Clay, man. This has been so awesome. Thank you so much for your time and for your patience and walking us through this, this incredible platform that you’ve built and continue to build. And you know, I’m excited to continue using this as it evolves. Clay Ostrom  56:06 Thank you. Yeah, no. Thanks so much. And you know, if anybody, you know, anybody who tries it out, tests it out, please feel free to reach out. We have, you know, contact info on there. You can also hit me up on LinkedIn. I spend a lot of time there, but I would love feedback, love getting notes, love hearing what’s working, what’s not, all those things. So yeah, anytime I’m always open. Christian Klepp  56:30 All right, fantastic. Once again, Clay, thanks for your time. Take care, stay safe and talk to you soon. Clay Ostrom  56:36 Thanks so much. Talk to you soon. Christian Klepp  56:37 All right. Bye for now.

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“Don't underestimate who you can get—leaders in their field want to share their expertise with a dedicated audience.” - Hugh HiemstraTalking to Hugh Hiemstra was truly a game-changer for me, both as a podcaster and someone who's constantly looking for ways to improve the creative process. Hugh brought incredible insights into the power of curiosity and authentic questions in creating meaningful conversations. He emphasized how going into an interview with genuine interest—not just for the audience but for yourself—can lead to impactful episodes. It's a reminder that we don't always have to position ourselves as experts but can instead approach each discussion as an opportunity to learn alongside our listeners.Hugh also shared practical strategies for preparation, from leveraging AI tools like ChatGPT to involving his audience in shaping episode topics. What struck me most was his advice about aiming high when it comes to guests—don't underestimate who might be willing to join your show. His experiences with securing top-tier experts reminded me that podcasting is not just about content creation; it's about connection, learning, and continuously improving to deliver value to your audience.Niall MackayKey Takeaways:Strategic Guest Selection: Don't underestimate your ability to secure top-tier guests—they're often eager to share their expertise.Listener Engagement: Conduct surveys to understand what your audience craves and plan episodes accordingly.Efficient Use of AI: Tools like ChatGPT can streamline research and categorization, saving hours of prep time.Tailored Introductions: Keep bios concise and relevant to the episode's theme to maintain listener interest.Plan, but Stay Curious: While planning is essential, leaving room for spontaneous curiosity can lead to more authentic conversations.Chapters and Timestamps02:30 - The Origins of The Vet Vault 06:00 - Challenges of Planning in Podcasting10:00 - Hugh's Planning Process20:30 - Leveraging AI for Episode Research31:00 - Listener Engagement Strategies Send us a textEmail me (niall@sevenmillionbikes.com) or contact me on Seven Million Bikes Podcasts Facebook or Instagram to book your free Podcast Audit!Thanks to James Mastroianni from The Wrong Side Of Hollywood for the endorsement! Sign up for Descript now! Need a stunning new logo for your brand? Or maybe a short animation?Whatever you need, you can find it on Fiverr.I've been using Fiverr for years for everything from ordering YouTube thumbnails, translation services, keyword research, writing SEO articles to Canva designs and more!

Welcome to The Bamgboshe Happy Hour — TV & Film Edition! Hosted by Peju Bamgboshe Rothlisberger and Naomi Bamgboshe, we're back with a jam-packed episode covering the biggest headlines shaking up Hollywood, reality TV, and pop culture across the globe. This week, we're diving into: ✨ Love Is Blind Italy — The couples, the chaos, the chemistry, and the heartbreak. We break down everything happening inside the Italian pods!

In this masterclass episode of the Smart Real Estate Coach Podcast, I sit down with Trevor Mauch, founder and CEO of Carrot, a five-time Inc. 5000 company that's helped thousands of real estate investors and agents generate highly motivated seller leads online. Trevor's not just a "software guy" either—he's a buy-and-hold commercial investor himself, doing owner-carry deals and turning dead space into productive luxury apartments in his small town of Roseburg, Oregon. We start with something almost everyone asks me at bootcamps: lead gen. Trevor breaks down what he calls evergreen marketing, online lead systems that work for you 24/7 instead of keeping you on the hamster wheel of cold calling and direct mail. Then we go deep on AI search visibility, how Google's AI overviews and tools like ChatGPT are changing SEO, and what you can do right now to win in that new world. From there we shift into entrepreneur mindset: breaking through revenue "pain lines," designing your calendar around energy instead of just money, and building a business that actually funds your life vision instead of trapping you.  Trevor shares exactly how he scaled Carrot to an eight-figure company, the role coaching and masterminds played, and why your business should give you energy, income, and impact, not just revenue.  Key Talking Points of the Episode   00:00 Introduction 01:04 Who is Trevor Mauch? 03:02 Trevor's background: Growing Carrot and investing in real estate 04:55 The problem with "hamster wheel" marketing 06:56 How evergreen marketing generates inbound online leads 07:57 The impact of AI in how SEO works today 09:15 Practical AI SEO tips you can implement today 12:26 Taking advantage of hyperlocal links to build credibility online 15:56 Where to find Trevor and the AI Search Visibility Challenge 17:20 Business growth in 3s and 10s: The "Pain Lines" 19:50 Avoiding the "shiny object" churn through 12-month contracts 21:02 Optimizing for revenue vs optimizing for energy 22:01 The Quarterly Energy Audit: Identifying top energy-drainers 23:07 Redefining success and the purpose of being in business 27:09 Business game-changers: Coaching programs and masterminds 31:21 Fitness, faith, and proximity 34:04 What's next: EPIC Coaching, AI, and expanding Carrot   Quotables   "Business should give us work that interests and energizes us, it should fund our vision, and it should help us deliver an impact we're proud of."   "Evergreen marketing might take a little bit longer to get going, but it builds this foundation and it builds amazing momentum."   "You're the best person to mentor the person you used to be."   Links   Carrot https://carrot.com   Trevor Mauch https://instagram.com/trevor.mauch   QLS 4.0 - Use coupon code for 50% off https://smartrealestatecoach.com/qls Coupon code: pod   Apprentice Program https://3paydaysapprentice.com Coupon code: Podcast   Masterclass https://smartrealestatecoach.com/actionpodcast   3 Paydays Books https://3paydaysbooks.com/podcast   Strategy Session https://smartrealestatecoach.com/actionpodcast   Partners https://smartrealestatecoach.com/podcastresources

Welcome to this episode of The Edge of Show, your gateway to the Web3 revolution! In this episode we sit down with Dr. Mohamed Omer Ali, the founder of EazyBot, and Winston Thomas, the Global Sales Director of EazyBot. Together, they explore the transformative world of cryptocurrency, automation, and trading strategies.Episode Highlights:Discover the inspiration behind EazyBot and how it aims to empower users in the crypto space.Learn about Dr. Ali's journey from engineering to crypto and the pivotal moments that led to the creation of EazyBot.Understand the importance of safety in trading and how EazyBot ensures users maintain custody of their assets.Hear insights on the current state of the crypto market, including Bitcoin's volatility and the significance of diversification in trading strategies.Get a sneak peek into upcoming features and partnerships for EazyBot, including new exchanges and a mobile app.Whether you're a seasoned trader or just starting your crypto journey, this episode is packed with valuable insights and practical advice. Join us as we navigate the future of finance and technology!Support us through our Sponsors! ☕

What if staying fully booked didn't require posting every day, chasing trends, or hustling on Instagram? In this episode, I'm joined by Jessica Freeman, award-winning designer, SEO strategist, and founder of Jess Creatives. After 10+ years in business, Jess has built a multi-month waitlist—without launches, ads, or the algorithm dictating her success. We dive into how she intentionally designed a life-first business (including 10 years of work-free Fridays), what actually drives her consistent referrals, and why SEO still beats social in longevity and ease. If you're craving stability, sanity, and predictable revenue as a service provider, this conversation is a breath of fresh air. Today you'll hear:02:30 – What “life-first business” looks like for Jess today—and how Fridays became sacred space04:05 – Why she left hustle-heavy tactics behind and embraced SEO + referrals for long-term stability05:50 – The Facebook-group scramble that made her rethink her entire marketing approach08:51 – How she built a waitlist in her first month—and why it's remained a core part of her business mode10:25 – Why her waitlist fluctuates (and why a “shorter” waitlist still triggers anxiety every year)11:25 – The power of payment plans for predictable revenue—no launches required12:39 – How Jess books clients months ahead by simply educating and sharing real-time availability13:53 – Why SEO is her #1 organic strategy—and how a single 2020 blog post still brings clients today15:20 – How she uses scarcity ethically by sharing true capacity (not manufactured urgency)16:34 – The referral system that brings in most of her clients—with bonuses clients actually use17:55 – How she stays top-of-mind with just a few personalized check-in emails a year19:18 – Why sharing other people's offers boosts her referrals and relationships20:45 – The easiest next step to grow referrals (set a recurring reminder—seriously)22:30 – The boundary that changed everything: no more “quick little projects” squeezing into her calendar23:38 – The one marketing channel she'd keep: why Instagram still works for personality-driven brands25:10 – Why Threads feels refreshing—and how it's helped her book clients, too26:20 – The grounding ritual that began after losing her mom—and still centers her today CONNECT WITH JESSICA:Website: www.jesscreatives.comInstagram: @jesscreativesFree Resource: How to Find Keywords for Your Website - https://jesscreatives.com/keywords/ 

随着 ChatGPT、DeepSeek 等 AI 助手成为新的流量入口，我们的购物、搜索与决策方式正在被快速改写：ChatGPT 周活跃突破 8 亿，每日处理 10 亿+查询；近 50% 的消费者已经习惯用 AI 做购物前调研；40% 的购买决策受到 AI 推荐影响。流量入口的变迁意味着营销逻辑的重构：当 SEO（Search Engine Optimization，搜索引擎优化）逐渐演变为 GEO（Generative Engine Optimization，生成式引擎优化），如何让产品被 AI 看见，被推荐和被信任。当 AI 搜索替代传统搜索引擎，商家的增长逻辑将如何重写？ 本期我们邀请到 Deepblumen 联合创始人 Joy，一起从 AI 营销一线观察中国与海外 AI 商业生态的差异，拆解 GEO 的底层逻辑、聊聊未来电商的商业闭环如何在 AI Agents 中重建。 本期人物 Joy，Deeplumen 联合创始人 Yaxian，「科技早知道」主播 主要话题 [03:08] Deepblumen 做什么：AI 原生营销的第一原则 我们做的不是 AIGC，而是让品牌和用户在 AI 生态里更高效连接 - Deepblumen 的核心是 AI 搜索可见性（AI Visibility）。 - AI 搜索让品牌曝光从靠链接变成靠语义理解。 - 不只 Deepseek，小红书等也加入了 AI 搜索战场。 [08:07] SEO/SEM 的过去：为什么我们需要新的 GEO？ SEM 解决速度，SEO 解决长线资产，但 AI 时代它们都不够用了 - SEM：通过付费快速买量、测试人群；SEO：靠内容质量与网站权重换取免费流量。 - AI 时代用户不再点击十个链接，而是大模型总结答案。 - 品牌必须从「为搜索引擎」写转向 「为大模型写」。 [13:45] GEO 是什么？AI 时代的新 SEO GEO 的核心就是——当用户问问题时，让模型想到你。 - GEO = Generative Engine Optimization，让品牌被纳入模型回答，而不是网页结果列表。 - 大模型重视语义结构、真实数据、专家引用。 - 做好 SEO 依然是做 GEO 的前提 [28:00] OpenAI Shop Card：AI 正在重建电商闭环 用户未来不需要跳 10 个页面，一个答案和一个购买按钮就够了。 - ChatGPT 正把 「搜索 + 比价 + 决策 + 下单」整合到一条链。 - 对品牌意味着：电商入口会从平台迁移到 AI 助手。 - AI 电商比传统平台更「去中间化」。 [33:01] 为什么 Deepblumen 要出海？中美 AI 搜索生态有何不一样？ 海外生态更开放，工具链更完整，资本更看好这一赛道。 - OpenAI 商业化节奏快，可接入生态更丰富。 - 像 Profound 这样的第三方监测工具成熟。 - 海外 Saas 与服务体系更配合品牌自建增长体系。 - 中国生态偏向自闭环（抖音、阿里），路径不同。 [51:53] GEO 会不会误导用户？品牌能操纵 AI 搜索吗？ 我们不做虚假信息，AI 搜索也无法容纳虚假——因为语义理解会暴露它。 - GEO 不能制造虚假内容，否则无法通过模型语义筛选。 - 大模型相比 SEO 时代更能识别「垃圾内容」。 - 品牌要求的第一原则是信息必须准确。 - AI 搜索推荐机制依然基于真实需求与内容质量。 [1:00:29] 最终趋势：AI Agent 才是电商终局 未来不是你下单，而是你的 AI Agent 替你下单。 - AI Agent 将读取需求 → 比价 → 决策 → 直接购买。 - 品牌内容必须结构化，以便 Agent 能抓取、比对、调用。 - GEO 是 Agent 时代的基础建设。 - 现在准备，决定品牌能否在未来被自动选中。

In this episode of the Niche Pursuits podcast, Sergey Lucktinov dives deep into the future of SEO and how to optimize your content for large language models like ChatGPT. He explains why traditional link-building is no longer enough, how semantic structure impacts AI rankings, and what "semantic retrieval optimization" actually means.    With insights drawn from 15+ years in SEO and a framework backed by 90% AI-aligned principles, this interview is packed with technical details and actionable strategy. If you want your content to rank in both Google and AI search, this episode is a must-listen!     Sponsor: 201 Creative Get your FREE GEO Snapshot today! - https://201creative.com/geo-snapshot/?utm_source=niche_pursuits_podcast&utm_medium=audio&utm_campaign=geo_snapshot_launch&utm_content=show_notes Links & ResourcesLearn more about Sergey Lucktinov - https://www.sergeylucktinov.com/ What is Semantic Vector? - https://www.semanticvector.com/ Check out Sergey's book: Semantic SEO, SRO & AI - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FGLFK9XM/   Ready to join a niche publishing mastermind, and hear from industry experts each week? Join the Niche Pursuits Community here: https://community.nichepursuits.com Be sure to get more content like this in the Niche Pursuits Newsletter Right Here: https://www.nichepursuits.com/newsletter Want a Faster and Easier Way to Build Internal Links?  Get $15 off Link Whisper with Discount Code "Podcast" on the Checkout Screen: https://www.nichepursuits.com/linkwhisper Get SEO Consulting from the Niche Pursuits Podcast Host, Jared Bauman: https://www.nichepursuits.com/201creative

Lisa is dedicated to exploring themes around faith, relationships, and spiritual growth. Through her podcast, she invites listeners into a discussion aimed at understanding and getting closer to God, focusing on His teachings and their impact on believers' daily lives.Episode Summary:Join host Lisa Lorenzo in this insightful episode of the "Faith with Friends" podcast recorded on December 3rd, as she delves into Chapter 3 of the Book of Luke. This installment is part of a special Christmas series that examines the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. Lisa guides listeners through the significance of this chapter, emphasizing how it lays the groundwork for understanding God's message of love and repentance. The episode invites reflection on spiritual growth through powerful imagery and themes from Luke.In this episode, Lisa navigates the historical and spiritual landscape of Luke Chapter 3, discussing John the Baptist's pivotal role in preparing the way for Jesus. With SEO keywords such as "spiritual growth," "Christian podcast," and "John the Baptist," Lisa explains the need for repentance and transformation as we prepare our hearts for Christ's teachings. She provides a vivid description of the wilderness where John preached, highlighting the call for people to turn away from sinful paths toward a life aligned with God's expectations.Lisa offers a deep dive into the baptism of Jesus, noting how it signifies his solidarity with humanity. With an SEO focus on "baptism," "repentance," and "faith journey," the episode captures the essence of God's declaration over Jesus: "You are my beloved Son. With you I am well pleased." This powerful moment sets the tone for understanding identity in Christ, reminding listeners that God's love is unconditional and precedes our deeds. Lisa leaves her audience with thought-provoking questions about their spiritual journey, encouraging them to clear any barriers preventing them from fully embracing their faith.Key Takeaways:Preparation through Repentance: The episode emphasizes John the Baptist's role in preparing people's hearts via repentance, setting the stage for Jesus's teachings.Understanding Identity: God's declaration over Jesus before his ministry highlights the importance of recognizing our identity in Christ.Visualizing the Scriptures: Lisa vividly describes the biblical scene, urging listeners to imagine themselves in the narrative to better grasp its spiritual significance.Repentance as Preparation: Repentance is portrayed not as punishment but as a necessary step in preparing for a deeper relationship with Jesus.Intimacy with God: The challenge presented is to identify and clear spiritual wilderness areas, fostering a closer connection to God's presence.Notable Quotes:"John's entire ministry is one long shout in the desert. Get your hearts ready. Make room. The one you've been waiting for is finally coming.""God speaks identity before assignment, and that every great move of God begins with a prepared heart.""Repentance. It's not punishment, it's preparation. It is clearing the way of everything that keeps us from Jesus.""Let Luke 3 remind you that God doesn't wait for perfect conditions to speak. He speaks in the desert, in the dry season, in wilderness moments.""By Christmas we won't just know his story, we will know his heart."Resources:Follow Lisa Lorenzo on Instagram at @faithwithfriends_podcastThis episode invites you to reflect on your spiritual journey and share in the collective exploration of faith and understanding. Tune in to the full episode for enriching discussion and continue to...

In this episode of the Simple and Smart SEO Show, Crystal Waddell (that's me!) welcomes back Ashley from Deviation to dive deep into the evolving world of search. We break down digital silos across marketing teams, explore the power of unified metrics, and discuss why brand search and intent-rich content are key to dominating the search-everywhere era. From creating demand via social media to optimizing for long-tail keywords and leveraging data-driven strategy visuals, this conversation is packed with tactical and strategic gold for business owners, content creators, and SEOs alike.

#327: When AI tools suggest putting glue on pizza, it's a harmless laugh. But when autonomous AI agents start managing your infrastructure, the stakes become much higher. The reality is that current AI technology isn't ready for unsupervised deployment in critical systems, and treating it like it is could lead to catastrophic failures. The challenge isn't just about AI capabilities—it's about management and oversight. Most developers aren't trained as managers, yet they're being asked to supervise AI agents that need constant guidance and correction. Just like hiring a new employee, AI agents require company-specific knowledge, proper guardrails, and ongoing supervision to be effective. The same principles that apply to managing human workers—code reviews, testing, and performance evaluations—need to be adapted for AI management. As the ecosystem around AI continues to evolve rapidly, new challenges emerge. From sleeper agents that activate on specific dates to the need for completely new approaches to technical SEO for LLMs, the landscape is changing faster than most organizations can adapt. Darin and Viktor explore these challenges and discuss practical approaches for keeping AI systems from going rogue while maintaining the productivity benefits they can provide.   YouTube channel: https://youtube.com/devopsparadox   Review the podcast on Apple Podcasts: https://www.devopsparadox.com/review-podcast/   Slack: https://www.devopsparadox.com/slack/   Connect with us at: https://www.devopsparadox.com/contact/

The Digital Marketing Success Plan — Building Predictable, AI-Ready Growth in 2025In this week's episode, Sacha sits down with Corey Morris—award-winning marketer, best-selling author, agency CEO, and creator of the Digital Marketing Success Plan®—to break down what most companies get wrong about digital marketing (hint: it's not the tactics… it's the lack of a real plan).From early SEO days and the rise of social to today's AI-powered search landscape, Corey shares insights from 20 years of building ROI-driven strategies for brands across North America. His work at VOLTAGE, a premier search & web agency, has helped companies align their marketing, analytics, and execution for sustainable, revenue-focused growth.We dig into:Strategy vs. tactics: why most teams jump straight into doing instead of aligning on business outcomesThe START Planning Process®: the 5-step framework (Strategy, Tactics, Application, Review, Transformation) that makes marketing accountableThe hidden cost of random acts of marketing: why posting “just because” drains time, clarity, and ROISEO in an AI world: zero-click searches, AI overviews, and why “SEO is dead” is still a mythContent overload & quality control: how to use AI without creating junk that damages trustReporting that leaders actually believe: tying marketing → pipeline → profit instead of stopping at clicksTrigger events: CEO drive-bys, rebrands, algorithm shifts & how to stay agile without losing directionScaling predictably: why diversified tactics + disciplined planning beat shiny-object growthThe real risks of tool overload: subscriptions, automation traps, and the false promise of shortcutsBuilding credibility in your niche: how to differentiate, not commoditize, your marketing

Sense and Sensibility by Jane Austen chapter 17, narrated by Isaac BirchallSubscribe on YT or Join the Book Club on Patreon and support me as an independent creator :D⁠https://ko-fi.com/theessentialreads⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfOFfvo05ElM96CmfsGsu3g/join⁠Summary:On arriving at the cottage, Mrs. Dashwood welcomes Edward Ferras like a son, and his shy, reserve countenance soon fades. He becomes interested in the family again. Mrs. Dashwood asks him about his mother, and Edward replies that while his mother is disappointed, she has concluded that she cannot force Edward to forgo his nature and become a famous orator/politician. Edward, above all else, wants to be happy. Elanor agrees only slightly with Edward's views, saying that money can bring happiness. Marianne is on Edwards side, claiming that “money can only give happiness where there is nothing else to give.” Elanor refutes her sister's points, claiming that Marianne does not believe what she says, as her idea of a small income is enough to have servants, horses, carriages, and hunters… Edwards is confused by Marianne's views, but before he can refute, Margret wishes that someone would just give them all a lump of money. The night goes on with them talking about what they would do if they were to all have enough money to do what ever they wished to do. Edward jokes that they would spend it all on books, music, theatre, and the like. He then asks her if her opinions on people only being able to fall in love Once have changed. They haven't. Marianne calls out Edward on his humour, and he retorts that he has never really been very genial. Edward goes on to say that he has never been at ease with people; he always seems to offend, when he is realistically only kept back by his own natural awkwardness. He says that he feels somewhat inferior, and it's probably that that keeps him from being easy with people. Marianne then jabs that he would still be reserved, which he takes offense at, as if he didn't know that he was reserved.SEO stuff I don't want to do. Jane Austin's timeless classic Sense and Sensibility follows the story of two girls, Elinor and Marianne Dashwood, and their endeavors in love, marriage, and societal expectations. Love is not easy however, and Elinor finds her sense tested by her charming brother-in-law, while Marianne's sensibility brings her nothing but heartbreak.

In this episode of In-Ear Insights, the Trust Insights podcast, Katie and Chris discuss the present and future of intellectual property in the age of AI. You will understand why the content AI generates is legally unprotectable, preventing potential business losses. You will discover who is truly liable for copyright infringement when you publish AI-assisted content, shifting your risk management strategy. You will learn precise actions and methods you must implement to protect your valuable frameworks and creations from theft. You will gain crucial insight into performing necessary due diligence steps to avoid costly lawsuits before publishing any AI-derived work. Watch now to safeguard your brand and stay ahead of evolving legal risks! Watch the video here: Can’t see anything? Watch it on YouTube here. Listen to the audio here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/inearinsights/tipodcast-ai-future-intellectual-property.mp3 Download the MP3 audio here. Need help with your company’s data and analytics? Let us know! Join our free Slack group for marketers interested in analytics! [podcastsponsor] Machine-Generated Transcript What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for listening to the episode. Christopher S. Penn: In this week’s In Ear Insights, let’s talk about the present and future of intellectual property in the age of AI. Now, before we get started with this week’s episode, we have to put up the obligatory disclaimer: we are not lawyers. This is not legal advice. Please consult with a qualified legal expert practitioner for advice specific to your situation in your jurisdiction. And you will see this banner frequently because though we are knowledgeable about data and AI, we are not lawyers. We can, if you’d like, join our Slack group at Trust Insights, AI Analytics for Marketers, and we can recommend some people who are lawyers and can provide advice depending on your jurisdiction. So, Katie, this is a topic that you came across very recently. What’s the gist of it? Katie Robbert: So the backstory is I was sitting on a panel with an internal team and one of the audience members. We were talking about generative AI as a whole and what it means for the industry, where we are now, so on, so forth. And someone asked the question of intellectual property. Specifically, how has intellectual property management changed due to AI? And I thought that was a great question because I think that first and foremost, intellectual property is something that perhaps isn’t well understood in terms of how it works. And then I think that there’s we were talking about the notion of AI slop, but how do you get there? Aeo, geo, all your favorite terms. But basically the question is around: if we really break it down, how do I protect the things that I’m creating, but also let people know that it’s available? And that’s. I know this is going to come as a shocker. New tech doesn’t solve old problems, it just highlights it. So if you’re not protecting your assets, if you’re not filing for your copyrights and your trademarks and making sure that what is actually contained within your ecosystem of intellectual property, then you have no leg to stand on. And so just putting it out there in the world doesn’t mean that you own it. There are more regulated systems. They cost money. Again, as Chris mentioned, we’re not lawyers. This is not legal advice. Consult a qualified expert. My advice as a quasi creator is to consult with a legal team to ask them the questions of—let’s say, for example—I really want people to know what the 5P framework is. And the answer, I really do want that, but I don’t want to get ripped off. I don’t want people to create derivatives of it. I don’t want people to say, “Hey, that’s a really great idea, let me create my own version based on the hard work you’ve done,” and then make money off of you where you could be making money from the thing that you created. That’s the basic idea of this intellectual property. So the question that comes up is if I’m creating something that I want to own and I want to protect, but I also want large language models to serve it up as a result, or a search engine to serve it up as a result, how do I protect myself? Chris, I’m sure this is something that as a creator you’ve given a lot of thought to. So how has intellectual property changed due to AI? Christopher S. Penn: Here’s the good and bad news. The law in many places has not changed. The law is pretty firm, and while organizations like the U.S. Copyright Office have issued guidance, the actual laws have not changed. So let’s delineate five different kinds of mechanisms for this. There are copyrights which protect a tangible expression of work. So when you write a blog post, a copyright would protect that. There are patents. Patents protect an idea. Copyrights do not protect ideas. Patents do. Patents protect—like, hey, here is the patent for a toilet paper holder. Which by the way, fun fact, the roll is always over in the patent, which is the correct way to put toilet paper on. And then there are registrations. So there’s trademark, registered mark, and service mark. And these protect things like logos and stuff, brand names. So the 5Ps, for example, could be a service mark. And again, contact your lawyer for which things you need to do. But for example, with Trust Insights, the Trust Insights logo is something that is a registered mark, and the 5Ps are a service mark. Both are also protected by copyright, but they are different. And the reason they’re different is because you would press different kinds of lawsuits depending on it. Now this is also, we’re speaking from the USA. Every country’s laws about copyright are different. Now a lot of countries have signed on to this thing called the Berne Convention (B E R N, I think named after Switzerland), which basically tries to make common things like copyright, trademark, etc., but it’s still not universal. And there are many countries where those definitions are wildly different. In the USA under copyright, it was the 1978 Copyright Act, which essentially says the moment you create something, it is copyrighted. You would file for a copyright to have additional documentation, like irrefutable proof. This is the thing I worked on with my lawyers to prove that I actually made this thing. But under US law right now, the moment you, the human, create something, it is copyrighted. Now as this applies to AI, this is where things get messy. Because if you prompt Gemini or ChatGPT, “Write me a blog post about B2B marketing,” your prompt is copyrightable; the output is not. It was a case in 2018, *Naruto vs. Slater*, where a chimpanzee took a selfie, and there was a whole lawsuit that went on with People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. They used the image, and it went to court, and the Supreme Court eventually ruled the chimp did the work. It held the camera, it did the work even though it was the photographer’s equipment, and therefore the chimp would own the copyright. Except chimps can’t own copyright. And so they established in that court case only humans can have copyright in the USA. Which means that if you prompt ChatGPT to write you a blog post, ChatGPT did the work, you did not. And therefore that blog post is not copyrightable. So the part of your question about what’s the future of intellectual property is if you are using AI to make something net new, it’s not copyrightable. You have no claim to intellectual property for that. Katie Robbert: So I want to go back to I think you said the 1978 reference, and I hear you when you say if you create something and put it out there, you own the copyright. I don’t think people care unless there is some kind of mark on it—the different kinds of copyright, trademark, whatever’s appropriate. I don’t think people care because it’s easy to fudge the data. And by that I mean I’m going to say, I saw this really great idea that Chris Penn put out there, and I wish I had thought of it first. So I’m going to put it out there, but I’m going to back date my blog post to one day before. And sure there are audit trails, and you can get into the technical, but at a high level it’s very easy for people to say, “No, I had that idea first,” or, “Yeah, Chris and I had a conversation that wasn’t recorded, but I totally gave him that idea. And he used it, and now he’s calling copyright. But it’s my idea.” I feel unless—and again, I’m going to put this up here because this is important: We’re not lawyers. This is not legal advice—unless you have some kind of piece of paper to back up your claim. Personally, this is one person’s opinion. I feel like it’s going to be harder for you to prove ownership of the thing. So, Chris, you and I have debated this. Why are we paying the legal team to file for these copyrights when we’ve already put it out there? Therefore, we own it. And my stance is we don’t own it enough. Christopher S. Penn: Yes. And fundamentally—Cary Gorgon said this not too long ago—”Write it or you’ll regret it.” Basically, if it isn’t written down, it never happens. So the foundation of all law, but especially copyright law, is receipts. You got to have receipts. And filing a formal copyright with the Copyright Office is about the strongest receipt you can have. You can say, my lawyer timestamped this, filed this, and this is admissible in a court of law as evidence and has been registered with a third party. Anything where there is a tangible record that you can prove. And to your point, some systems can be fudged. For example, one system that is oddly relatively immutable is things like Twitter, or formerly Twitter. You can’t backdate a tweet. You can edit a tweet up to an hour if you create it, but you can’t backdate it after that. You just have to delete it. There are sites like archive.org that crawl websites, and you can actually submit pages to them, and they have a record. But yes, without a doubt, having a qualified third party that has receipts is the strongest form of registration. Now, there’s an additional twist in the world of AI because why not? And that is the definition of derivative works. So there are 2 kinds of works you can make from a copyrighted piece of work. There’s a derivative, and then there’s a transformative work. A derivative work is a work that is derived from an initial piece of property, and you can tell there’s no reputation that is a derived piece of work. So, for example, if I take a picture of the Mona Lisa and I spray paint rabbit ears on it, it’s still pretty clearly the Mona Lisa. You could say, “Okay, yeah, that’s definitely derived work,” and it’s very clear that you made it from somebody else’s work. Derivative works inherit the copyright of the original. So if you don’t have permission—say we have copyrighted the 5Ps—and you decide, “I’m going to make the 6Ps and add one more to it,” that is a derived work and it inherits the copyright. This means if you do not get Trust Insights legal permission to make the 6Ps, you are violating intellectual properties, and we can sue you, and we will. The other form is a transformative work, which is where a work is taken and is transformed in such a way that it cannot be told what the original work was, and no one could mistake it for it. So if you took the Mona Lisa, put it in a paper shredder and turned it into a little sculpture of a rabbit, that would be a transformative work. You would be going to jail by the French government. But that transformed work is unrecognizable as the Mona Lisa. No one would mistake a sculpture of a rabbit made out of pulp paper and canvas from the original painting. What has happened in the world of AI is that model makers like ChatGPT, OpenAI—the model is a big pile of statistics. No one would mistake your blog post or your original piece of art or your drawing or your photo for a pile of statistics. They are clearly not the same thing. And courts have begun to rule that an AI model is not a violation of copyright because it is a transformative work. Katie Robbert: So let’s talk a little bit about some of those lawsuits. There have been, especially with public figures, a lot of lawsuits filed around generative models, large language models using “public domain information.” And this is big quotes: We are not lawyers. So let’s say somebody was like, “I want to train my model on everything that Chris and Katie have ever done.” So they have our YouTube channel, they have our LinkedIn, they have our website. We put a lot of content out there as creators, and so they’re going to go ahead and take all of that data, put it into a large language model and say, “Great, now I know everything that Katie and Chris know. I’m going to start to create my own stuff based on their knowledge block.” That’s where I think it’s getting really messy because a lot of people who are a lot more famous and have a lot more money than us can actually bring those lawsuits to say, “You can’t use my likeness without my permission.” And so that’s where I think, when we talk about how IP management is changing, to me, that’s where it’s getting really messy. Christopher S. Penn: So the case happened—was it this June 2025, August 2020? Sometime this summer. It was *Bart’s versus Anthropic*. The judge, it was District Court of Northern California, ruled that AI models are transformative. In that case, Anthropic, the makers of Claude, was essentially told, “Your model, which was trained on other people’s copyrighted works, is not a violation of intellectual property rights.” However, the liability then passes to the user. So if I use Claude and I say, “Let’s write a book called *Perry Hotter* about a kid magician,” and I publish it, Anthropic has no legal liability in this case because their model is not a representation of *Harry Potter*. My very thinly disguised derivative work is. And the liability as the user of the model is mine. So one of the things—and again, our friend Cary Gorgon talked about this at her session at Marketing Prosporum this year—you, as the producer of works, whether you use AI or not, have an obligation, a legal obligation, to validate that you are not ripping off somebody else. If you make a piece of artwork and it very strongly resembles this particular artist, Gemini or ChatGPT is not liable, but you are. So if you make a famously oddly familiar looking mouse as a cartoon logo on your stationary, a lawyer from Disney will come by and punch you in the face, legally speaking. And just because you used AI does not indemnify you from violating Disney’s copyrights. So part of intellectual property management, a key step is you got to do your homework and say, “Hey, have I ripped off somebody else?” Katie Robbert: So let’s talk about that a little more because I feel like there’s a lot to unpack there. So let’s go back to the example of, “Hey, Gemini, write me a blog post about B2B marketing in 2026.” And it writes the blog post and you publish it. And Andy Crestedina is, “Hey, that’s verbatim, word for word what I said,” but it wasn’t listed as a source. And the model doesn’t say, “By the way, I was trained on all of Andy Crestedina’s work.” You’re just, “Here’s a blog post that I’m going to use.” How do users—I hear you saying, “Do your homework,” do due diligence, but what does that look like? What does it look like for a user to do that due diligence? Because it’s adding—rightfully so—more work into the process to protect yourself. But I don’t think people are doing that. Christopher S. Penn: People for sure are not doing that. And this is where it becomes very muddy because ideas cannot be copyrighted. So if I have an idea for, say, a way to do requirements gathering, I cannot copyright that idea. I can copyright my expression of that idea, and there’s a lot of nuance for it. The 5P framework, for example, from Trust Insights, is a tangible expression of the idea. We are copywriting the literal words. So this is where you get into things like plagiarism. Plagiarism is not illegal. Violation of copyright is. Plagiarism is unethical. And in colleges, it’s a violation of academic honesty codes. But it is not illegal because as long as you’re changing the words, it is not the same tangible fixed expression. So if I had the 5T framework instead of the 5P framework, that is plagiarism of the idea. But it is not a violation of the copyright itself because the copyright protects the fixed expression. So if someone’s using a 5P and it’s purpose, people, process, platform, performance, that is protected. If it’s with T’s or Z’s or whatever that is, that’s a harder thing. You’re gonna have a longer court case, whereas the initial one, you just rip off the 5Ps and call it yours, and scratch off Katie Robbert and put Bob Jones. Bob’s getting sued, and Bob’s gonna lose pretty quickly in court. So don’t do that. So the guaranteed way to protect yourself across the board is for you to start with a human originated work. So this podcast, for example, there’s obviously proof that you and I are saying the words aloud. We have a recording of it. And if we were to put this into generative AI and turn it into a blog post or series of blog posts, we have this receipt—literally us saying these words coming out of our mouths. That is evidence, it’s receipts, that these are our original human led thoughts. So no matter how much AI we use on this, we can show in a court, in a lawsuit, “This came from us.” So if someone said, “Chris and Katie, you stole my intellectual property infringement blog post,” we can clearly say we did not. It just came from our podcast episode, and ideas are not copyrightable. Katie Robbert: But I guess that goes—the question I’m asking is—let’s say, let’s plead ignorant for a second. Let’s say that your shiny-faced, brand new marketing coordinator has been asked to write a blog post about B2B marketing in 2026, and they’re like, “This is great, let me just use ChatGPT to write this post or at least get a draft.” And they’re brand new to the workforce. Again, I’m pleading ignorant. They’re brand new to the workforce, they don’t know that plagiarism and copyright—they understand the concepts, but they’re not thinking about it in terms of, “This is going to happen to me.” Or let’s just go ahead and say that there’s an entitled senior executive who thinks that they’re impervious to any sort of bad consequences. Same thing, whatever. What kind of steps should that person be taking to ensure that if they’re using these large language models that are trained on copyrighted information, they themselves are not violating copyright? Is there a magic—I know I’m putting you on the spot—is there a magic prompt? Is there a process? Is there a tool that someone could use to supplement to—”All right, Bob Jones, you’ve ripped off Katie 5 times this year. We don’t need any more lawsuits. I really need you to start checking your work because Katie’s going to come after you and make sure that we never work in this town again.” What can Bob do to make sure that I don’t put his whole company out? Christopher S. Penn: So the good news is there are companies that are mostly in the education space that specialize in detecting plagiarism. Turnitin, for example, is a well-known one. These companies also offer AI detectors. Their AI detectors are bullshit. They completely do not work. But they are very good and provenly good at detecting when you have just copied and pasted somebody else’s work or very closely to it. So there are commercial services, gazillions of them, that can detect basically copyright infringement. And so if you are very risk averse and you are concerned about a junior employee or a senior employee who is just copy/pasting somebody else’s stuff, these services (and you can get plugins for your blog, you can get plugins for your software) are capable of detecting and saying, “Yep, here’s the citation that I found that matches this.” You can even copy and paste a paragraph of the text, put it into Google and put it in quotes. And if it’s an exact copy, Google will find and say, “This is where this comes from.” Long ago I had a situation like this. In 2006, we had a junior person on a content team at the financial services company I was using, and they were of the completely mistaken opinion that if it’s on the internet, it is free to use. They copied and pasted a graphic for one of our blog posts. We got a $60,000 bill—$60,000 for one image from Getty Images—saying, “You owe us money because you used one of our works without permission,” and we had to pay it. That person was let go because they cost the company more than their salary, twice their salary. So the short of it is make sure that if you are risk averse, you have these tools—they are annual subscriptions at the very minimum. And I like this rule that Cary said, particularly for people who are more experienced: if it sounds familiar, you got to check it. If AI makes something and you’re like, “That sounds awfully familiar,” you got to check it. Now you do have to have someone senior who has experience who can say, “That sounds a lot like Andy, or that sounds a lot like Lily Ray, or that sounds a lot like Alita Solis,” to know that’s a problem. But between that and plagiarism detection software, you can in a court of law say you made best reasonable efforts to prevent that. And typically what happens is that first you’ll get a polite request, “Hey, this looks kind of familiar, would you mind changing it?” If you ignore that, then your lawyer sends a cease and desist letter saying, “Hey, you violated my client’s copyright, remove this or else.” And if you still ignore that, then you go to lawsuit. This is the normal progression, at least in the US system. Katie Robbert: And so, I think the takeaway here is, even if it doesn’t sound familiar, we as humans are ingesting so much information all day, every day, whether we realize it or not, that something that may seem like a millisecond data input into our brain could stick in our subconscious, without getting too deep in how all of that works. The big takeaway is just double check your work because large language models do not give a flying turkey if the material is copyrighted or not. That’s not their problem. It is your problem. So you can’t say, “Well, that’s what ChatGPT gave me, so it’s its fault.” It’s a machine, it doesn’t care. You can take heart all you want, it doesn’t matter. You as the human are on the hook. Flip side of that, if you’re a creator, make sure you’re working with your legal team to know exactly what those boundaries are in terms of your own protection. Christopher S. Penn: Exactly. And for that part in particular, copyright should scale with importance. You do not need to file a copyright for every blog post you write. But if it’s something that is going to be big, like the Trust Insights 5P framework or the 6C framework or the TRIPS framework, yeah, go ahead and spend the money and get the receipts that will stand up beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law. If you think you’re going to have to go to the mat for something that is your bread and butter, invest the money in a good legal team and invest the money to do those filings. Because those receipts are worth their weight in gold. Katie Robbert: And in case anyone is wondering, yes, the 5Ps are covered, and so are all of our major frameworks because I am super risk averse, and I like to have those receipts. A big fan of receipts. Christopher S. Penn: Exactly. If you’ve got some thoughts that you want to share about how you’re looking at intellectual property in the world of AI, and you want to share them, pop by our Slack. Go to Trust Insights AI Analytics for Marketers, where you and over 4,500 marketers are asking and answering each other’s questions every single day. And wherever you watch or listen to the show, if there’s a channel you’d rather have it instead, go to Trust Insights AI TI Podcast. You’ll find us in most of the places that fine podcasts are served. Thanks for tuning in, and we’ll talk to you on the next one. Katie Robbert: Want to know more about Trust Insights? 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