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Vayse
VYS0050 | One And The Same - Vayse to Face with Peter C Hine

Vayse

Play Episode Listen Later May 28, 2025 101:49


VYS0050 | One And The Same - Vayse to Face with Peter C Hine - Show Notes By some miracle Hine and Buckley have made it to episode 50 and to make the occasion they welcome to Vayse close collaborator and friend of the show, Peter C Hine. Peter is a podcaster, writer and musician from Manchester UK. Together with Stephen James Buckley he co-founded Vayse, a podcast about weird stuff, now celebrating it's 50th episode. The conversation flows from how Vayse was formed, how Peter first became interested in all things weird, why his magical practice is on pause, how deep disillusionment with the current occult scene runs, what does the future hold for Vayse and just how many time can he mention Six Ways, Hellier and Penny Royal in a single interview? (Recorded 22 May 2025) Thanks to all our guests over the last 50 episodes and to everyone who has listened. Thanks as always to Keith for sorting out the show notes - you can find him on Bluesky here: @peakflow.bsky.social Buckley's/Hine's Intro Elon Musk's 14 Children: All About the Tesla CEO's Sons and Daughters and the 4 Women He Shares Them With - People.com (https://people.com/all-about-elon-musk-children-11678749) If Amazon is serious about climate change, why is it ignoring tropical forests? - Forest500 (https://forest500.org/blog/2020/05/01/if-amazon-serious-about-climate-change-why-it-ignoring-tropical-forests/) Digital Doppelgangers: Instagram Tests Creator-Made AI Clones - Forbes.com (https://www.forbes.com/sites/ianshepherd/2024/07/08/digital-doppelgangers-instagram-tests-creator-made-ai-clones/) Vayse to Vayse with Peter C. Hine The AP Strange Show: Exploring the Afterlife with Peter C. Hine (3xtC) (https://theapstrangeshow.transistor.fm/episodes/exploring-the-afterlife-with-peter-c-hine-3xtc) VYS0009 | If There's Something Weird - Halloween 2022: Ghostbusters (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0009) Ghostbusters (1984) - The Library Ghost Scene | Movieclips - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g01em4WGO7A) What Magic is This? Podcast (https://whatmagicisthis.com) Back from the dead: Usborne's World of the Unknown: All About Ghosts - Usborne.com (https://usborne.com/gb/blog/post/behind-the-scenes-at-usborne/back-from-the-dead-usbornes-world-of-the-unknown-ghosts) Is the Chinnery ‘Backseat Driver' Ghost Photo Real? - Spooky Isles (https://www.spookyisles.com/chinnery-backseat-driver-ghost/) Garstang - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garstang) Holy Ghostbuster: A Parson's Encounters With the Paranormal, by J. Aelwyn Roberts - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2213867.Holy_Ghostbuster) Tulpa - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa) Great Corby - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Corby) The Lost Boys | Michael Joins the Vampires | Movie Scene (HD) | Warner Bros. Entertainment - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5y_WQRrmXs) VYS0007 | Too Much to Dream Last Night (incl. Hine's Dark Man and Pan encounters) (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0007) Spirit Box: The 'Man in Black' in Irish folklore (https://creators.spotify.com/pod/profile/spirit-box/episodes/The-Man-in-Black-in-Irish-folklore-e14ddnj) VYS0028 | Psychic Jizz - Vayse to Face with Stephanie Quick (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0028) Hellier (TV Series) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellier_(TV_series)) Hellier Seasons 1 & 2 - Planet Weird (https://www.planetweird.tv/hellier-season-1) Pennyroyal podcast (https://www.pennyroyalpodcast.com/) Weird Studies podcast (https://www.weirdstudies.com/) The Weird: A Compendium of Strange and Dark Stories, by Ann VanderMeer (Editor), and Jeff VanderMeer (Editor) - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12344319-the-weird) H. P. Lovecraft - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft) Weird Studies Episode 72: Morning of the Mutants: On the Castrati (https://www.weirdstudies.com/72) Twin Peaks - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Peaks) Twin Peaks Moments #1: Little Nicky - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9NtujJro20) Eraserhead (1977) Trailer #1 | Movieclips Classic Trailers - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WAzFWu2tVw) David Lynch - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lynch) Nine Inch Nails: Hurt - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbHz9p7Z4OU) John Keel - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Keel) Jacques Vallée - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vall%C3%A9e) Pendle Hill - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendle_Hill) Sigil - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigil) Condensed Chaos: An Introduction to Chaos Magic, by Phil Hine - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/371437.Condensed_Chaos) Six Ways: Approaches & Entries for Practical Magic, by Aidan Wachter - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/39028487-six-ways) VYS0042 | Grinding Out Some Low-End - Vayse to Face with Aidan Wachter (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0042) Writing about music is like dancing about architecture - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Writing_about_music_is_like_dancing_about_architecture) VYS0003 | Welcome to Vayse, Population 2 (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0003) Weaving Fate: Hypersigils, Changing the Past, & Telling True Lies, by Aidan Wachter - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54753333-weaving-fate) Goetia - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goetia) Crowley's definition of Magick in The Book of Thoth - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/4166-magick-is-the-science-and-art-of-causing-change-to) Gordon White - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/15308329.Gordon_White) Jason Louv - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/338353.Jason_Louv) Animism - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism) Spirit Box S2 #18 / Peter Hine and Stephen Buckley: Dreams, Nightmares and Pan (https://www.podbean.com/media/share/dir-ewfdi-19ed1cde) Synchronicity - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity) 23 enigma - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/23_enigma) Neurodiversity - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurodiversity) Ted & Coach Beard Say Goodbye (Ted Lasso) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ncyIpz5qyg) Folie à deux - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folie_%C3%A0_deux) Trauma Bonding - Psychology Today (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/trauma-bonding) VYS0047 | The Weird Review Of The Year 2024 (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0047) 2022 United States Congress hearings on UFOs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_Congress_hearings_on_UFOs) Jeremy Corbell - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbell) George Knapp (television journalist) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Knapp_(television_journalist)) Compilation of all the Jellyfish UFOs 1999-2022 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdCnyGqiBZ0) The Trickster and the Paranormal, by George P. Hansen - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/669028.The_Trickster_and_the_Paranormal) Allen Greenfield's website (https://bishop171.wixsite.com/allen-greenfield) Joseph Matheny's website (https://josephmatheny.com/) Richard Doty - Wikipedia (https://en.ikwipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Doty) Mirage Men - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirage_Men) Luis Elizondo - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Elizondo) Steven M. Greer - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_M._Greer) CE-5 Protocol website (https://ce5-protocol.com/) Yes, and… - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes,_and...) Live action role-playing game (LARP) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_action_role-playing_game) UAP recovery video shows ‘egg-shaped' object |News Nation - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=009qMHiqsVs) VYS0010 | Amazing Stories - Vayse to Face with Dr Allen H Greenfield Pt.1 (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0010) VYS0011 | Weird Tales - Vayse to Face with Dr Allen H Greenfield Pt.2 (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0011) VYS0036 | Infinite Game - Vayse to Face with Joseph Matheny (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0036) VYS0025 | Truth with a Capital "T" - Vayse to Face with Sequoyah Kennedy (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0025) VYS0049 | Machines of Loving Vayse - Vayse to Face with Sequoyah Kennedy v2.0 (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0049) Google's Veo 3 AI video generator is a slop monger's dream - The Verge (https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/673719/google-veo-3-ai-video-audio-sound-effects) Large language model - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_language_model) VYS0017 | Occult Detective - Vayse to Face with Bob Freeman (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0017) VYS0037 | Elvis with a Flaming Sword - Vayse to Face with AP Strange (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0037) VYS0026 | It's a Wand-erful Life - Vayse to Face with Douglas Batchelor Pt. 1 (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0026) VYS0027 | Batchelor of Dark Arts - Vayse to Face with Douglas Batchelor Pt. 2 (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0027) VYS0021 | Song of the Dark Man - Vayse to Face with Darragh Mason (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0021) VYS0024 | Between Being Real and Not Real - Vayse to Face with Nathan Paul Isaac (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0024) What is ADHD? - ADHD Foundation (https://www.adhdfoundation.org.uk/resources/what-is-adhd) ‘I'd keep them distracted': Woman asks ChatGPT how it would ‘destroy young minds' if it was the devil—its response leaves her stunned - Daily Dot (https://www.dailydot.com/culture/chatgpt-if-you-were-the-devil/) Black Mirror - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Mirror) Song of the Dark Man: Father of Witches, Lord of the Crossroads, by Darragh Mason - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/199454362-song-of-the-dark-man) King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Gizzard_%26_the_Lizard_Wizard) Unmasking 101: Learning to Be Who You Are - Psychology Today (https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/wildly-neurodivergent/202503/unmasking-101-learning-to-be-who-you-are) Peter's recommendations (and music project) Ted Lasso Official Trailer | Apple TV+ - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u7EIiohs6U) Reservation Dogs Season 1 Trailer | Rotten Tomatoes TV - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWYVTyhFAOU) Dead Pioneers - Bandcamp (https://deadpioneers.bandcamp.com/) Warfare | Official Trailer HD | A24 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JER0Fkyy3tw) Crash, by J.G. Ballard - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/70241.Crash) Canvas Bodies | Cuckoo - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s_4H2Gkt1Y) Buckley's closing question ???!!! Vayse online Website (https://www.vayse.co.uk/) Twitter (https://twitter.com/vayseesyav) Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/vayseesyav.bsky.social) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/vayseesyav/) Bandcamp (Music From Vayse) (https://vayse.bandcamp.com/) Ko-Fi (https://ko-fi.com/vayse) Email: vayseinfo@gmail.com

The Order of Chaos
Animism And Magick With Aidan Wachter

The Order of Chaos

Play Episode Listen Later May 23, 2025 94:35


In this episode I speak with author Aidan Wachter about animism, Magick, and our participation in the upcoming book "This Is Chaos" with Peter J. Carroll.============================================================Apply for an apprenticeship at The Order of Chaos:https://www.theorderofchaosmagick.com/apprenticeship --------------------------Book a private reading with me:https://www.theorderofchaosmagick.com/tarot --------------------------Pre Order This is Chaos:https://a.co/d/ewMingb-------------------------Website: Http://www.theorderofchaosmagick.com --------------------------Connect with Aidan's work:https://www.patreon.com/aidanwachterwww.aidanwachter.com https://bsky.app/profile/aidanwachter.bsky.socialhttps://www.instagram.com/aidan_wachter/===========================================================================#paranormal #ghosts #demons #trueparanormal #ghosthunting #ghosthunters #ChaosMagick #OccultBooks #LiberNull #TheSatanicBible #TheKybalion #QuantumMagick #Magick #Witchcraft #Hermeticism #Manifestation #EsotericWisdom #OrderOfChaos

WitchLit Podcast
Via Hedera

WitchLit Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later May 21, 2025 55:58


Author and sculptor Via Hedera joined my to discuss Touch Blue by Lillian Morrison. Morrison compiled nursery rhymes, chants and charms, and more than a few spells in this book for children. Via and I discuss how this book came into her life, the impact it's had on her work and practice, and what we learned from the book and about Lillian Morrison along the way.You can read Via's excellent blog,  find out more about her work — including new articles in Llewellyn's datebook and calendar for 2025,  and find links to her various social media accounts on her website.In June, Aidan Wachter is joining me to discuss Aradia: The Gospel of the Witches by Charles Godfrey Leland. Aradiawas published in 1899 and is in the public domain. It is widely available online as an ebook and used and library copies are plentiful, if you'd like to read it before our discussion.Please support Black, Indigenous, queer, trans, and women-owned, local, independent bookstores and occult shops.Transcripts of all episodes are available at witchlitpod.com. You can follow us on BlueSky @witchlitpod.bsky.social.Support WitchLit by using our affiliate link to purchase books from Bookshop.org or buy us a coffee on Ko-fi. Please follow us on BlueSky for episode updates.You can also support WitchLit by purchasing books published by 1000Volt Press. Our latest release is Pagan Roots: Reclaiming Concepts of the Sacred by Yvonne Aburrow available wherever you buy books.Death in the Dry River, a crime novella set in 1930s colonial Trinidad, by Lisa Allen-Agostini is out now and available to order wherever you buy books or direct from 1000Volt Press.The award-winning books Changing Paths by Yvonne Aburrow and Conjuring the Commonplace by Laine Fuller & Cory Thomas Hutcheson are both available from 1000Volt Press or to order wherever you buy books.My book, Verona Green, is available in all the usual places. Autographed copies are also available from 1000Volt Press.

Vayse
VYS0049 | Machines of Loving Vayse - Vayse to Face with Sequoyah Kennedy v2.0

Vayse

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 19, 2025 122:31


VYS0049 | Machines of Loving Vayse - Vayse to Face with Sequoyah Kennedy v2.0 - Show Notes Imagine, if you will, a world burning as society crumbles (is this stretching you?), in the perpetual, scorched twighlight of a dying planet, the determined foot of a tall figure crushes a skull on a landscape forged of human bones - that foot belongs to Sequoyah Kennedy and the human bones are the vestiges of the common myths and misunderstandings about artificial intelligence... apparently AI's are better than humans at devising effective metaphors in order to convey useful information - and we'll have to hope for their sake that's true. In this episode Hine and Buckley invite back to Vayse one of the most intelligent and articulate humans in the material world, Sequoyah Kennedy. Since the Nonsense Bazaar ended SK has gone deep down the rabbit hole of large language models and has returned to help Hine and Buckley get their heads round what artificial intelligence actually means in 2025 and dismisses some of the ubiquitous confusion which surrounds the topic: is the best use of AI as personal assistant and unpaid artists? Are there demons haunting cyberspace? Do androids dream of electric sheep? and he touches on one of the big questions of our time - are we all in very real danger from this soulless, characterless mockery of human ingenuity with no empathy, no conscience and no soul... or will Elon Musk just finally piss off so that we can live in glorious harmony with our wonderful, wise robot buddies? (recorded 11 March) Thanks to Sequoyah for his patenience in explaining these ocmplex ideas to two middle-aged luddites and thanks, as always to Special K - the man who makes sense of our ramblings, Keith who once again did a sterling job of the show notes. You can give him a follow on Blue Sky here: @peakflow.bsky.social Sequoyah Kennedy online Sequoyah's Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/sequoyahkennedy) - Find the links to SK's custom chatbots and other great content here Empyrean Dream Machines substack (https://empyreandreammachines.substack.com/) Sequoyah on Twitter/X (https://x.com/sequoyahkennedy) Sequoyah on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/birdbrains33/) The Nonsense Bazaar podcast - Podtail (https://podtail.com/podcast/the-nonsense-bazaar/) Hine's (?) Intro AI Voice Cloning: Is It the Future or a Cybersecurity Nightmare? - Neil Sahota (https://www.neilsahota.com/ai-voice-cloning-is-it-the-future-or-a-cybersecurity-nightmare/) Vayse to Face with Sequoyah Kennedy What is Late-Stage Capitalism? - The Balance (https://www.thebalancemoney.com/late-stage-capitalism-definition-why-it-s-trending-4172369) ArtificiaI Intelligence - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence) Battlestar Galactica | The Cylons Arrive on New Caprica - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dzy_FiLd64) AI with personality — Prompting ChatGPT using Big Five Personality Model values - Medium (https://medium.com/@damsa.andrei/ai-with-personality-prompting-chatgpt-using-big-five-values-def7f050462a) Ong's Hat Compleat - JosephMatheny.com (https://josephmatheny.com/ongs-hat-compleat/) Ong's Hat: COMPLEAT, by Joseph Matheny, Sequoyah Kennedy - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/223112896-ong-s-hat?) The Nonsense Bazaar 62 - Written By Artificial Intelligence - Podtail (https://podtail.com/podcast/the-nonsense-bazaar/62-written-by-artificial-intelligence/) Recommender system - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recommender_system) Relational database - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relational_database) Facial recognition system - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_recognition_system) Large language model - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_language_model) Are LLMs Just Fancy Autocomplete? Here's Why It Might Look That Way - Medium (https://generativeai.pub/ai-bites-are-llms-just-fancy-autocomplete-heres-why-it-might-look-that-way-17b952ae569e) Andrej Karpathy - Intro to Large Language Models - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjkBMFhNj_g) Attention mechanism - Geeks for Geeks (https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/ml-attention-mechanism/) Vector space - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_space) Generative pre-trained transformer (GPT) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_pre-trained_transformer) Claude (language model) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_(language_model)) ChatGPT - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChatGPT) Llama website (open-source AI models) (https://www.llama.com/) Python (comp lang) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_(programming_language)) Why Can't AI Count the Number of "R"s in the Word "Strawberry"? - HackerNoon (https://hackernoon.com/why-cant-ai-count-the-number-of-rs-in-the-word-strawberry) Gods in the machine? The rise of artificial intelligence may result in new religions - The Conversation (https://theconversation.com/gods-in-the-machine-the-rise-of-artificial-intelligence-may-result-in-new-religions-201068) Robert Anton Wilson - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Anton_Wilson) Hunter S. Thompson - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_S._Thompson) From pixels to realism: the evolution of video game graphics - Mainleaf (https://mainleaf.com/the-evolution-of-video-game-graphics/) The Green Dilemma: Can AI Fulfil Its Potential Without Harming the Environment? - Earth.org (https://earth.org/the-green-dilemma-can-ai-fulfil-its-potential-without-harming-the-environment/) The Uneven Distribution of AI's Environmental Impacts - HBR.org (https://hbr.org/2024/07/the-uneven-distribution-of-ais-environmental-impacts) Almond Milk vs. Cow's Milk: Which Is More Environmentally Friendly? - Treehugger (https://www.treehugger.com/almond-milk-vs-cow-milk-5215833) Elon Musk warns AI could cause ‘civilization destruction' even as he invests in it - CNN Business (https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/17/tech/elon-musk-ai-warning-tucker-carlson/index.html) Grok-3 website (https://x.ai/news/grok-3) Elon Musk's AI assistant Grok roasts its creator - Mashable (https://mashable.com/article/grok-x-ai-assistant-roasts-elon-musk) Claude AI website (https://claude.ai/) Anthropic (company) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic) Amanda Askell's website (https://askell.io/) Genie from Aladdin (Robin Williams) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFh2Aab-MVM) Pareidolia - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia) Artificial consciousness - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_consciousness) Frankenstein's Monster, AI, and the Perils of Innovation - Medium (https://medium.com/the-procurement-paradox/frankensteins-monster-ai-and-the-perils-of-innovation-918064ab4638) David Lynch - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lynch) Kundalini - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini) William S. Burroughs: "Language is a virus from outer space" - FixQuotes (https://fixquotes.com/quotes/language-is-a-virus-from-outer-space-2449.htm) David Grusch UFO whistleblower claims - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Grusch_UFO_whistleblower_claims) Diana Walsh Pasulka - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Walsh_Pasulka) DARPA - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA) UFO Twitter (https://twitter.com/hashtag/UFOTwitter) Psilocybin & OCD: Can psychedelics treat obsessive compulsive disorder? - New Atlas (https://newatlas.com/science/psilocybin-ocd-psychedelic-therapy-obsessive-compulsive-disorder/) Kabbalah - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalah) Taoism (Daoism) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoism) AI in 2024: Reaching the Point of Super-Persuasion - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSEzeHRwYGE) Cambridge Analytica - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Analytica) Quantum mysticism - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mysticism) Google Gemini website (https://gemini.google.com/?hl=en-GB) VYS0047 | The Weird Review Of The Year 2024 (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0047) Don't be evil (Google motto) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_evil) Rhode Island - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhode_Island) UAP recovery video shows ‘egg-shaped' object - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=009qMHiqsVs) Tarot - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarot) I Ching - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Ching) Artificial Intelligence Could Finally Let Us Talk with Animals - Scientific American (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/artificial-intelligence-could-finally-let-us-talk-with-animals/) Anthropic's Claude AI is playing Pokémon on Twitch…slowly - TechCrunch (https://techcrunch.com/2025/02/25/anthropics-claude-ai-is-playing-pokemon-on-twitch-slowly/) Reality tunnel - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_tunnel) AI through the lens of neurodiversity - Medium (https://medium.com/digital-architecture-lab/ai-through-the-lens-of-neurodiversity-3134c7ec11a7) Neural network (machine learning) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_network_(machine_learning)) Skynet (Terminator) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_(Terminator)) Data (Star Trek) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_(Star_Trek)) The Shamanic Journey - Shaman Links (https://www.shamanlinks.net/shaman-info/about-shamanism/the-shamanic-journey/) Aidan Wachter's website (https://www.aidanwachter.com/) VYS0042 | Grinding Out Some Low-End - Vayse to Face with Aidan Wachter (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0042) The Eagle River Incident (Joe Simonton and the Space Pancakes) (https://www.ufoinsight.com/aliens/encounters/eagle-river-incident) Co-Creation of Reality, Consciousness Evolution, and the Hierarchy of Consciousness in the Cosmic Synthesis Theory (CST) Model - Medium (https://medium.com/@nathandmiller1980/co-creation-of-reality-consciousness-evolution-and-the-hierarchy-of-consciousness-in-the-cosmic-c261a82491dd) Information space - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_space) The Imaginal Realm - Imaginal Journeying (https://imaginaljourneying.com/the-imaginal-realm/) The Secret Commonwealth: An Essay of the Nature and Actions of the Subterranean (and, for the Most Part) Invisible People, Heretofore Going under the Name of Elves, Fauns, and Fairies, by Robert Kirk - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/572121.The_Secret_Commonwealth) Meme - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme) The Power of Language: How Words Shape Our Reality - Medium (https://medium.com/@sergeianikin/the-power-of-language-how-words-shape-our-reality-59d8c7ac0f3b) AIs are becoming more self-aware. Here's why that matters - AI digest (https://theaidigest.org/self-awareness) Jinn - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinn) Live action role-playing game (LARP) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_action_role-playing_game) TechGnosis: Myth, Magic, and Mysticism in the Age of Information, by Erik Davis - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1527805) Hermetic Qabalah - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_Qabalah) Four Worlds (spiritual realms) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Worlds) The Chicken Qabalah of Rabbi Lamed Ben Clifford: Dilettante's Guide to What You Do and Do Not Need to Know to Become a Qabalist, by Lon Milo DuQuette - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/420549.The_Chicken_Qabalah_of_Rabbi_Lamed_Ben_Clifford) Twin Peaks - Red Room Full Scene HD - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDTxN4dbN3E) Morphine - Like a Mirror - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ft_bhOzU1g) A hilarious new Harry Potter chapter was written by a predictive keyboard, and it's perfect - Mashable (https://mashable.com/article/harry-potter-predictive-chapter) Great Filter - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter) This Wild, Believable Theory Suggests AI Is Blocking Us From Alien Contact - Inverse (https://www.inverse.com/science/this-wild-believable-theory-suggest-ai-is-blocking-us-from-alien-contact) VYS0048 | Chinese Sex Balloons - Vayse to Face with Edwina Quatermass-Palmer (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0048) Adama's 'So Say We All' Speech - Battlestar Galactica - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3orumzB_8) Sequoyah's recommendations (and other stuff) ChatGPT website (https://chatgpt.com/) Sequoyah's Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/sequoyahkennedy) - You can find the links to SK's custom chatbots here Wind of Change podcast (https://podtail.com/podcast/wind-of-change/) Under the Silver Lake - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_the_Silver_Lake) Under the Silver Lake | Official Trailer HD - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwgUesU1pz4) Robert Monroe (The Munroe Institute) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Monroe) Songs in the Key of Vayse compilation - Bandcamp (https://vayse.bandcamp.com/album/songs-in-the-key-of-vayse) Buckley's closing question Data - Best Moments - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-v31fL_H14) The Best of Bender - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln4rfYh7ng0) Short Circuit 1 and 2 - Best of Johnny 5 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdLoz6UZcCo) Vayse online Website (https://www.vayse.co.uk/) Twitter (https://twitter.com/vayseesyav) Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/vayseesyav.bsky.social) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/vayseesyav/) Bandcamp (Music From Vayse) (https://vayse.bandcamp.com/) Ko-Fi (https://ko-fi.com/vayse) Email: vayseinfo@gmail.com Special Guest: Sequoyah Kennedy.

Vayse
VYS0048 | Chinese Sex Balloons - Vayse to Face with Edwina Quatermass-Palmer

Vayse

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 12, 2025 110:04


VYS0048 | Chinese Sex Balloons - Vayse to Face with Edwina Quatermass-Palmer - Show Notes Making her podcasting debut, Hine and Buckley welcome the weird, wonderful and wonderfully weird Edwina Quatermass-Palmer to Vayse. Worker of a job so secret that Hine and Buckley actually know what she does, possessor of the coolest name available to the English speaking world and wearer of a genuinely gravity defying hairstyle, EQP is an original and brilliant thinker, a valuable and treasured member of the Vayse discord community, a musician and rambler on the path less travelled. The conversation moves from early paranormal experiences in the, frankly incredibly named, Christmas Room of the Jacobean house that she grew up in, to her discovery of Crowley, root work and her dabbling in Chaos Magick. One of the most fascinating and unusual facets of EQP is her life-long relationship with the Great God Pan, and she talks in detail about how he appears to her, how he communicates with her and what this has meant to her over the years. The free ranging discussion also touches on the nature of creativity, retro-causality, the art and influence of the late, great David Lynch, and the question on everyone's lips... is EQP CIA?... (Recorded 3 February 2025) Thanks to EQP for being so candid and open with us on her first podcast and thanks, as always goes to the great Keith, working to make sure that these podcasts make some semblance of sense, one show note at a time. You can follow hom on Blue Sky: @peakflow.bsky.social EQP online Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/elqpalmer/) Twitter (https://x.com/elqpalmer/) Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/eqp.bsky.social) Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/edwina.quatermasspalmer.7/) Intro Missy Elliott - Work It (Official Music Video) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjIvu7e6Wq8) Twin Peaks - Man From Another Place - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5PIeYcZG0g) VYS0047 | The Weird Review Of The Year 2024 (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0047) Lost Season 1 DVD Trailer - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdUYjYRnFG4) Mad Max: Fury Road - Official Main Trailer - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEJnMQG9ev8&t=25s) Vayse to Face with Edwina Quatermass-Palmer The Fun Police - Urban Dictionary (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fun%20police) The Great “Drone” Flap of 2024 - NUFORC (https://nuforc.org/drone_flap/) Anonymous (hacker group) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(hacker_group)) Psychological operations (United States) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations_(United_States)) “How to cause local panic in your city” - @stuffthatlookslikestuff on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/p/DEULfnlxX1R/) How UFO Reports Change With the Technology of the Times - Smithsonian Magazine (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-ufo-reports-change-with-technology-times-180968011/) Trump explanation for N.J. drones raises new questions - MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/trump-explanation-for-n-j-drones-raises-new-questions-i-m-not-buying-it-lawmaker-says/ar-AA1y4LPq) Egregore - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egregore) Trickster - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickster) Psionics - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psionics) Neuralink - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuralink) The Unexplained (magazine) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unexplained_(magazine)) Winchester Mystery House website (https://winchestermysteryhouse.com/) Spontaneous human combustion - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_human_combustion) The Green Ladies Enigma - The Witch, The Weird, and The Wonderful (https://winsham.blogspot.com/2015/08/wednesday-weirdness-green-ladies-enigma.html) Entropy and life - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_and_life) Are we really all made of stars? - Live Science (https://www.livescience.com/32828-humans-really-made-stars.html) Operation Chastise (the Dambusters Raid) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Chastise) A Beginners Guide To Hoodoo Rootwork - Original Botanica (https://originalbotanica.com/blog/a-beginners-guide-to-hoodoo-rootwork/) Aleister Crowley - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley) Pan (god) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_(god)) Jacobean era - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobean_era) Lego Duplo - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lego_Duplo) Meccano - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meccano) The Fisher-Price Action Garage - Medium (https://medium.com/@solidi/the-fisher-price-action-garage-15b6a9556e2a) You may have already run into a time-travelling version of yourself from the future - BBC Science Focus (https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/time-travel-meeting-self) Time Loops: Precognition, Retrocausation, and the Unconscious by Eric Wargo - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/41132463-time-loops) Uncanny podcast (https://podtail.com/podcast/uncanny/) Children and the Paranormal - Paranormal Research Forum (https://paranormalresearchforum.net/children-and-the-paranormal/) The Book of Lies, by Aleister Crowley - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/123656.The_Book_of_Lies) Numerology - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerology) A guide to Prince's musical inspiration - The Current (https://www.thecurrent.org/feature/2017/04/20/a-guide-to-princes-musical-inspiration) George Michael - A Different Corner (Official Video) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPWHkK-_a_A) Synchronicity - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity) Why Some Scientists Believe the Universe Is Conscious - Mind Matters (https://mindmatters.ai/2019/08/why-some-scientists-believe-the-universe-is-conscious/) Frequency illusion (Baader–Meinhof phenomenon) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion) Manitou - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manitou) Autism - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism) Pheromone - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pheromone) Richard Dawkins - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins) Richard Dawson - ‘Scientist' - Live at Tor Fest 2022, Todmorden Unitarian Church - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fjo9JgI0xY) Working With Pan: Greek God of the Wild - Tea and Rosemary (https://teaandrosemary.com/greek-god-pan/) VYS0007 | Too Much to Dream Last Night (incl. Hine's Pan encounter) (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0007) The Great God Pan in Art - John Kruse Blog (https://johnkruseblog.wordpress.com/2021/03/12/the-great-god-pan-in-art/) Arcadia - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcadia_(utopia)) Paganism - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paganism) Wicca - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicca) Chaos Magic - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_magic) Homeopathy - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy) The Good-Morrow (John Dunne) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Good-Morrow) VYS0042 | Grinding Out Some Low-End - Vayse to Face with Aidan Wachter (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0042) Ley line - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ley_line) Hecate: How To Work With The Goddess Of Magic & Necromancy - Tea and Rosemary (https://teaandrosemary.com/hecate-goddess/) Song of the Dark Man: Father of Witches, Lord of the Crossroads by Darragh Mason (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/199454362-song-of-the-dark-man) VYS0021 | Song of the Dark Man - Vayse to Face with Darragh Mason (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0021) VYSXXXX | The Real Vayse: Halloween 2024 (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vysxxxx) Neoliberalism - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism) VYS0037 | Elvis with a Flaming Sword - Vayse to Face with AP Strange (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0037) Maslow's hierarchy of needs - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs) Mandala - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandala) David Lynch - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lynch) Mulholland Drive (film) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulholland_Drive_(film)) Mulholland Drive - Official Trailer - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbZJ487oJlY) Eraserhead - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eraserhead) Eraserhead (1977) Trailer #1 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WAzFWu2tVw) Inland Empire (film) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inland_Empire_(film)) Inland Empire Official Trailer - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS2v-icgBj4) Presque Vu - Learning Mind (https://www.learning-mind.com/presque-vu-mental-effect/) Twin Peaks - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Peaks) The Secret History of Twin Peaks by Mark Frost - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29102955-the-secret-history-of-twin-peaks) Philip K. Dick - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_K._Dick) A Scanner Darkly - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Scanner_Darkly) Valis (novel) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valis_(novel)) Ubik - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubik) The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Stigmata_of_Palmer_Eldritch) Thinking Impossibly with Jeff Kripal - Daily Grail (https://www.dailygrail.com/2025/02/thinking-impossibly-with-jeff-kripal/) The Dreaming (Dreamtime) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dreaming) Pareidolia - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia) Twin Peaks season 3 (The Return) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Peaks_season_3) The Straight Story - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Straight_Story) David Lynch on his lifelong devotion to artmaking - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPTQVXwCkbw) Crazy Clown Time - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crazy_Clown_Time) Boschbot on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/boschbot/) Hieronymous Bosch - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hieronymus_Bosch) Hidden meanings in The Garden of Earthly Delights - BBC Culture (https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20160809-hidden-meanings-in-the-garden-of-earthly-delights) How to Achieve the Flow State - Psychology Today (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/clearer-thinking-today/202411/how-to-achieve-the-flow-state) David Lynch: The Art Life - Official Trailer - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_NYNSMxOro) David Lynch on routine and creativity - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rqai5OU5ZU) The Creative Act: A Way of Being by Rick Rubin - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/60965426-the-creative-act) Flaubert's “Be Regular and Ordinary” Quote - Another Panacea (https://www.anotherpanacea.com/2024/09/18/flauberts-be-regular-and-ordinary-quote/) Edwina's recommendations The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test by Tom Wolfe - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2831038-the-electric-kool-aid-acid-test) Grateful Dead - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grateful_Dead) Workingman's Dead - Grateful Dead (full album playlist) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ko_3E6rJJE0FxW4Yh5wCBdbk_PVENlY7k) Buckley's closing question Fox Mulder So Damn Hot - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZij2Q6FD4k) This is why I'm HOT (Dana Scully) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6oiKvEiu3A) Vayse online Website (https://www.vayse.co.uk/) Twitter (https://twitter.com/vayseesyav) Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/vayseesyav.bsky.social) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/vayseesyav/) Bandcamp (Music From Vayse) (https://vayse.bandcamp.com/) Ko-Fi (https://ko-fi.com/vayse) Email: vayseinfo@gmail.com Special Guest: Edwina Quatermass-Palmer.

The Primal Happiness Show
How to rewild learning: Animism, ancestral wisdom & experiential learning - Aidan Wachter

The Primal Happiness Show

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 7, 2025 68:25


This week's show is with Aidan Wachter, an animist, author, and healer. Aidan has been involved in practical magic since the 1980s.  He is an animist and is deeply concerned with the effects of modern Western life-ways on the human animal, on both physical and spiritual levels.  Aidan views a living magical practice as a path to heal many of the problems we face today and a way of being that is intrinsic to the creatures we are. He is the author of Six Ways: Approaches & Entries to Practical Magic and Weaving Fate: Hypersigils, Changing the Past & Telling True Lies, and Changeling: A Book Of Qualities. In this episode, Lian and Aidan dive deep into the essence of teaching and learning, weaving together themes of projections, archetypes, and the transformative power of experiential education. They explore how modern conditioning distances us from innate learning processes and highlight the profound connection between learning and remembrance. Lian and Aidan challenge conventional views of teaching, advocating for an approach that honours individual journeys and the unique keys each of us carries to unlock deeper truths. Ultimately, this episode invites listeners to remember their inherent knowledge, embrace the beauty of being both teacher and student, and rediscover their place in a conscious, living world. We'd love to know what YOU think about this week's show. Let's carry on the conversation… please leave a comment wherever you are listening or in any of our other spaces to engage. What you'll learn from this episode: Teaching as a Vessel of Discovery Teaching is not about having all the answers; it is about creating a space for others to access their own wisdom. Through teaching, we often uncover truths about ourselves, fostering a mutual journey of growth and understanding. Learning as Remembrance Rather than acquiring new information, true learning is a process of remembering what is already within us. This remembrance connects us to ancestral knowledge, past lives, and the communal nature of existence, offering a profound sense of interconnectedness. Rewilding Education Experiential learning rekindles our natural ability to trust our own experiences, breaking free from the conditioning of traditional education. By rewilding our approach to knowledge, we reconnect with animism and the wisdom of a conscious, interconnected universe. Resources and stuff spoken about: Visit Aidan's Website Join Aidan on Patreon Join UNIO, the Academy of Sacred Union. This is for the old souls in this new world… Discover your kin & unite with your soul's calling to truly live your myth. Be Mythical Join our mailing list for soul stirring goodness: https://www.bemythical.com/moonly Discover your kin & unite with your soul's calling to truly live your myth: https://www.bemythical.com/unio Go Deeper: https://www.bemythical.com/godeeper Follow us: Facebook Instagram TikTok YouTube Thank you for listening! There's a fresh episode released each week here and on most podcast platforms - and video too on YouTube. If you subscribe then you'll get each new episode delivered to your device every week automagically. (that way you'll never miss a show).  

Lux Occult
93. Wyrd Sisters Spells and Rituals w/ Casey Zabala & Meditation for Screen Addicts w/ Guérie

Lux Occult

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 13, 2024 68:55


Casey Zabala https://www.instagram.com/wandererstarot/?hl=en joins Luxa https://linktr.ee/LuxaStrata to discuss her grimoire oracle deck, Wyrd Sisters: A Deck of Spells and Rituals and about her process and rationale in crafting it. Also discussed are the Mushroom as a symbol, and how working with Saturn can teach us about forgiveness. We also talk about decolonizing witchcraft and Casey's educational offerings at Modern Witch.org. During the second act of the episode, Guérie https://www.instagram.com/meditationforscreenaddicts/ shares about his new e-book, Meditation for a Screen Addicts, which is aimed at helping those who feel they spend too much time looking at their phone turn that screen time towards more mindful purposes. Much Love! Thanks for listening to the Lux Occult Podcast! Support the show by helping Luxa buy books and curtail other costs, as well as taking a bibliomancy break by giving on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/luxoccult . Or, Buy Me a Coffee.com is an option for a one time donation: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/luxoccultpod?new=1 We would love to hear from you! Please send your thoughts, questions, suggestions or arcane revelations to luxoccultpod@gmail.com or message on Instagram @luxoccultpod https://www.instagram.com/luxoccultpod/ and on BlueSky https://bsky.app/profile/luxastrata919.bsky.social Green Mushroom Project https://greenmushroomproject.com/ Ask for a link to our Discord server! Casey Zabala Website: https://www.wandererstarot.com/workwithcasey Substack: https://notesfromthehedge.substack.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wandererstarot/ Modern Witches: https://modernwitches.org/ Modern Witches Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/witchesconfluence/ Guérie's Mediation For Screen Addicts: https://a.co/d/2GwFtUI Full show notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vT_8nt9sBP4XlcK3befT9W9EBJA2nahrJ2lrUICu5rzNOSHeLE3TJjOvMa75Ey-fOlbqddUTvIdmfFO/pub CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS- Fuck Around and Find Out Pt. 3: Sorcerous Recipes for Resistance, Resilience, and More from The Green Mushroom Project https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vSlzdwOAD04fb0SVTVnqLmoXU6Vj3fapeYa2w1ixiOQWJLEz8v5KrUU-P-aRfwgwhx6eqvGeCjO-IqT/pub Khaíre Enodia! A Hekatean Ceremony for Enchanting Items for Domestic Abuse Survivor Shelters https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vSCbbSDiDsjhV0p12NVHN6DlMxDpjKpeSWfrEJr_3o42vuIx06v9E9-s0cuuyZukEihVatl7sgEv-lx/pub EYES OF YOUR EYES- Luxa Strata ft. Folds & Floods https://youtu.be/EfdQ-pJEBsgCheck out The Consent Academy https://www.consent.academy/ Find Luxa's work included in Serpents of Circe: A Manual to Magical Resilience edited by Laura Tempest Zakroff and Ron Padrón https://revelore.press/product/serpents-of-circe-a-manual-to-magical-resilience/ Companion Episodes of Lux Occult:56. Entering Hekate's Garden & The Poison That Heals: Keeping Her Keys Hybrid Special w/ Dr. Cyndi Brannen https://open.spotify.com/episode/6x8buKJSgp9sCvN47mrjKU?si=R1g48X8bQ9OZTJUIbBC9ZQ 43. The Green Mushroom Project Audio Grimoire Pt. 2: Connecting with the Astral Temple ft. Aidan Wachterhttps://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/43--The-Green-Mushroom-Project-Audio-Grimoire-Pt--2-Connecting-with-the-Astral-Temple-ft--Aidan-Wachter-e1gjj3u77. The Fixed Gaze w/ Aidan Wachterhttps://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/77--The-Fixed-Gaze-w-Aidan-Wachter-e2gfb42 81. Magic for the Resistance and the History of Tarot w/ Michael M. Hugheshttps://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/81--Magic-for-the-Resistance-and-the-History-of-Tarot-w-Michael-M--Hughes-e2k15ok 88. Autonomy, Egregores, Magic & More w/ The Consent Academy https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/88--Autonomy--Egregores--Magic--More-w-The-Consent-Academy-e2o0rp8

The Primal Happiness Show
Being the vessel: Opening to magic, transformation, and power - Aidan Wachter

The Primal Happiness Show

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 14, 2024 60:18


This week's show is with Aidan Wachter, an animist, author, and healer. Aidan has been involved in practical magic since the 1980s.  He is an animist and is deeply concerned with the effects of modern Western life-ways on the human animal, on both physical and spiritual levels.  Aidan views a living magical practice as a path to heal many of the problems we face today and a way of being that is intrinsic to the creatures we are. He is the author of Six Ways: Approaches & Entries to Practical Magic and Weaving Fate: Hypersigils, Changing the Past & Telling True Lies, and Changeling: A Book Of Qualities. In this episode, Aidan and Lian explore the concept of vessels in magic and witchcraft - and especially vessels for self-discovery and transformation. Aidan reveals lessons from a significant breakdown - which he sees now was catalysed by the very work of his book Changeling - which is about this notion of vessels. They discuss the fluid nature of identity, examine the qualities that define a witch, and consider the role of power in personal growth and the impact of reclaiming our energy from misaligned places. We'd love to know what YOU think about this week's show. Let's carry on the conversation… please leave a comment wherever you are listening or in any of our other spaces to engage. What you'll learn from this episode: A vessel isn't just a container—it's a channel that holds and directs energy, shaping the flow of our lives and the choices that define us. What we choose to hold within shapes our identity and anchors us in life. Power, often viewed as corrupting, becomes transformative when consciously claimed. For a witch, power is an inner resource to guide growth, create change, and hold responsibility. Honouring our ancestors roots us in a lineage that offers wisdom, invites healing across generations, and strengthens our connection to purpose. Resources and stuff spoken about: Visit Aidan's Website Join Aidan on Patreon Join UNIO, the Academy of Sacred Union. This is for the old souls in this new world… Discover your kin & unite with your soul's calling to truly live your myth. Be Mythical Join our mailing list for soul stirring goodness: https://www.bemythical.com/moonly Discover your kin & unite with your soul's calling to truly live your myth: https://www.bemythical.com/unio Go Deeper: https://www.bemythical.com/godeeper Follow us: Facebook Instagram TikTok YouTube Thank you for listening! There's a fresh episode released each week here and on most podcast platforms - and video too on YouTube. If you subscribe then you'll get each new episode delivered to your device every week automagically. (that way you'll never miss a show).  

Healing for Hot Messes- With Mandi Em
Living in Magic, Animism, and Finding Your Way- With Aidan Wachter

Healing for Hot Messes- With Mandi Em

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 12, 2024 73:43


Today's episode features author and eclectic animist Aidan Wachter. Join us as we talk living in magic, spirit allies, and finding your path. Aidan Wachter is an eclectic animist, magician, and witch. His work focuses on magical approaches that produce real change in the practitioner and their reality. Wachter believes that magic is an inherent aspect of the human animal that, when missing or neglected, can lead to pathological states in the individual. These states then ripple out into human society and beyond it. It is his belief that magic can be a tool to re-frame what is possible for a person and, from that position, create better possible futures for all beings. He is the author of Six Ways: Approaches & Entries For Practical Magic, Weaving Fate: Hypersigils, Changing The Past, & Telling True Lies, and Changeling: A Book Of Qualities. CONNECT WITH AIDAN: Instagram Patreon Website Make sure to LIKE, SUBSCRIBE, SHARE, and COMMENT to let us know what you thought of this episode! Craving a supportive, judgement-free community for mystical misfits? Join my exclusive membership group HOT MESS COVEN here This podcast is possible thanks to supporters like YOU! CONNECT WITH MANDI: Courses, Classes, Books, and Offerings Instagram Facebook TikTok

Lux Occult
91.5. Bonus: Astral Egg and Sigil Magic w/ The Green Mushroom Guided Meditation

Lux Occult

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 1, 2024 44:44


A recording of an event in which Luxa https://linktr.ee/LuxaStrata leads participants in a guided meditation about visiting The Green Mushroom Hyphosigil Project's https://greenmushroomproject.com/ Astral Temple to conduct egg and sigil magic; and the group discusses their experiences. There is also a call for submissions for collection of magical recipes: Fuck around and Find Out 3: Sorcerous Recipes for Resistance, Resilience, and More from The Green Mushroom Project. Much Love! Thanks for listening to the Lux Occult Podcast! Support the show by helping Luxa buy books and curtail other costs, as well as taking a bibliomancy break by giving on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/luxoccult or Buy Me a Coffee.com for a one time donation: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/luxoccultpod?new=1  We would love to hear from you! Please send your thoughts, questions, suggestions or arcane revelations to luxoccultpod@gmail.com or message on Instagram @luxoccultpod https://www.instagram.com/luxoccultpod/ Read the mediation script here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRsNYl6nzr5NfOFiJjSf4uT_I07hgVERBed6uIrK-4VmgSPwp09lVr-B_U0lhDbv3v9QyfUyTLyyd8X/pub To conduct the exercise along with participants who attended the event you'll need: A safe and comfortable place to relax and close your eyes Paper and a writing utensil  CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS- Fuck Around and Find Out Pt. 3: Sorcerous Recipes for Resistance, Resilience, and More from The Green Mushroom Project https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vSlzdwOAD04fb0SVTVnqLmoXU6Vj3fapeYa2w1ixiOQWJLEz8v5KrUU-P-aRfwgwhx6eqvGeCjO-IqT/pub Sex and Sigil Magic 101 w/ Luxa Strata and Damian Agony, Kinkschool 2024 (November 23rd, 2024) Use code LUXA10 to get 10% off tickets! https://www.kinkschool.ca/ Find Luxa's work published in Serpents of Circe: A Manual to Magical Resilience edited by Laura Tempest Zakroff and Ron Padrón https://revelore.press/product/serpents-of-circe-a-manual-to-magical-resilience/ Weird Web Radio Episode 101- Luxa Strata- Consent, Chaos Magic, Experiments and The Self https://open.spotify.com/episode/4t431wA9D1uNnM2SAUa2ci?si=rDyF_nAUR3qOYJ5LWhcB5A Check out The Consent Academy https://www.consent.academy/ 43. The Green Mushroom Project Audio Grimoire Pt. 2: Connecting with the Astral Temple ft. Aidan Wachter https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/43--The-Green-Mushroom-Project-Audio-Grimoire-Pt--2-Connecting-with-the-Astral-Temple-ft--Aidan-Wachter-e1gjj3u

Lux Occult
91. The Golden Shadow w/ Aidan Wachter & Serpents of Circe w/ Laura Tempest Zakroff & Ron Padrón

Lux Occult

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 25, 2024 143:45


Aidan Wachter https://www.instagram.com/aidan_wachter joins Luxa https://linktr.ee/LuxaStrata to discuss Aidan's recent bicycle tour and the esoteric insights arrived at through such endeavors. Aidan also shares about the book he's working on now, and about his new essay in the compilation This Is Chaos: Embracing the Future of Magic, edited by Peter J. Carroll. Aidan explains why he doesn't consider himself to be a chaos magician, and discusses egregores, spirit ecology, sigils, Jung's shadow and more!  During an episode within the episode, Laura Tempest Zakroff and Ron Padrón share about the latest volume in the New Aradia series, Serpents of Circee: A Manual to Magical Resilience, available from Revalore Press. Laura, who wrote Sigil Witchery: A Witch's Guide to Crafting Magick Symbols, shares thoughts about sigil praxis and Ron shines a spotlight on queer ancestor, Mathew Shepard.  Luxa shares listener mail, a poisonous poetry snack, and an update about The Green Mushroom Project https://greenmushroomproject.com/ and Void House- creating a consent forward magical space for conducting group work both in person and online, investigating the magical and alchemical properties of consent and providing consent education to magically inclined people. There is also a call for submissions for a collection of magical recipes: Fuck around and Find Out 3: Sorcerous Recipes for Resistance, Resilience, and More from The Green Mushroom Project. Much Love! Thanks for listening to the Lux Occult Podcast! Support the show by helping Luxa buy books and curtail other costs, as well as taking a bibliomancy break by giving on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/luxoccult . Or, Buy Me a Coffee.com is an option for a one time donation: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/luxoccultpod?new=1  We'd love to hear from you! Send your thoughts, questions, suggestions or arcane revelations to luxoccultpod@gmail.com or message https://www.instagram.com/luxoccultpod/ Full show notes and companion episodes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vSvuvyM4urWh_SlXsZFI-AQjv_aT_QNhYTsxRHQVpsQKjgS7f8o24mZefd4fiPDCZ0WvL4xiFMcuwCe/pub Aidan Wachter: Website: https://www.aidanwachter.com/ Patreon https://www.patreon.com/c/aidanwachter/posts Laura Tempest Zakroff IG:https://www.instagram.com/owlkeyme.arts website: http://www.lauratempestzakroff.com all the links: https://linktr.ee/owlkeyme Ron Padrón: IG: https://www.instagram.com/white.rose.witching/ ALTAR PUNK: https://www.whiterosewitching.com/altar-punk Sign up for Queer Ancestor Vigil: https://forms.gle/N8oKjNZZQ9N8URgy6 Sign up for my monthly newsletter: https://www.whiterosewitching.com/mailing-list-sign-up Ron also has a pre-recorded presentation, "A Lavender Path: Honoring Queer Ancestors" at the 2024 Ancestral Magic Summit (Oct 28th-Oct30th). Here is the link to register: https://wrwitching.krtra.com/t/evHZl6fjDqYf  Serpents of Circe: A Manual to Magical Resilience edited by Laura Tempest Zakroff and Ron Padrón https://revelore.press/product/serpents-of-circe-a-manual-to-magical-resilience/ Revelore Press: https://revelore.press/ Jenn's CAELi project: https://caeli.institute/ CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS- Fuck Around and Find Out Pt. 3: Sorcerous Recipes for Resistance, Resilience, and More from The Green Mushroom Project https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vSlzdwOAD04fb0SVTVnqLmoXU6Vj3fapeYa2w1ixiOQWJLEz8v5KrUU-P-aRfwgwhx6eqvGeCjO-IqT/pub Sex and Sigil Magic 101 w/ Luxa Strata and Damian Agony, Kinkschool 2024 (November 23rd, 2024) Use code LUXA10 to get 10% off tickets! https://www.kinkschool.ca/ Artist David Sukulla https://www.instagram.com/yetipopst_art/?hl=en https://www.etsy.com/shop/yetipopstarprints/?etsrc=sdt Read Rocket's piece about the Soldier with No Name and more: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1164944657843752980/1297596352330600539/RART_027_01-02_012_s003_Izenson_proof-final_1.pdf?ex=6717d1c6&is=67168046&hm=bc0fe6b6fbb36d6414910994484336bb9b1f8808a203411a066b50e4dd8c5f95&

Coffee and Cauldrons
S5 Ep15: Talking with Spirits

Coffee and Cauldrons

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 18, 2024 65:58


In this episode Maria and Robyn deep dive into their tips and tricks for communing with ghosts, spirits, and all things supernatural. We share our favorite ways to communicate, our protections, and more!  This week we also discuss the upcoming New Moon in Scorpio and the theme of Halloween in Tarot. Creators we are loving this week are: Robyn's choice: plusidhe Maria's choice: The Dark Goddess Oracle Deck | caitlinmccarthyart Listener Choice: familiarsad Don't forget to join us on October 26th 12pm PST for our guest lecture with Aidan Wachter, this can be found in the library tier and up on Patreon! To shoot us your submissions for Coffee Talks at submissions@coffeeandcauldrons.com or to our voicemail at (351) 207-0799‬ And thank you to all our Patreon Subscribers! Without you, none of this is possible. patreon.com/magickalbeginnings 

Lux Occult
90. Sacred Kink, Chaos Magic, and the Psychonaut w/ Lee Harrington & Honoring Claude Cahun

Lux Occult

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 18, 2024 129:18


Lee Harrington http://www.PassionAndSoul.com joins Luxa https://linktr.ee/LuxaStrata to discuss ritual, psychonautic exploration, body magic, and more! Lee also shares about his personal magical practice, and his Patron deity, Bear. During a break, enjoy a stroll through history as we honor Claud Cahun, Marcel Moore, and the Soldier with No Name. Luxa also shares listener mail and an update about The Green Mushroom Project https://greenmushroomproject.com/ and Void House- creating a consent forward magical space for conducting group work both in person and online, investigating the magical and alchemical properties of consent and providing consent education to magically inclined people. This episode also includes a track from TheTomO'Bedlam. Much Love! Thanks for listening to the Lux Occult Podcast! Support the show by helping Luxa buy books and curtail other costs, as well as taking a bibliomancy break by giving on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/luxoccult . Or, Buy Me a Coffee.com is an option for a one time donation: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/luxoccultpod?new=1  We would love to hear from you! Please send your thoughts, questions, suggestions or arcane revelations to luxoccultpod@gmail.com or message on Instagram @luxoccultpod https://www.instagram.com/luxoccultpod/ Lee Harrington's  work: Join Lee's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/passionandsoul Visit Lee's Website: http://www.PassionAndSoul.com Upcoming events and newsletter: http://www.PassionAndSoul.com/events TheTomO'Bedlam: Soundcloud: https://on.soundcloud.com/qrwer  Bandcamp: https://thetomobedlam.bandcamp.com/ Check out The Consent Academy https://www.consent.academy/ The Green Mushroom Project https://greenmushroomproject.com/ Find Luxa's work published in Serpents of Circe: A Manual to Magical Resilience edited by Laura Tempest Zakroff and Ron Padrón https://revelore.press/product/serpents-of-circe-a-manual-to-magical-resilience/ Weird Web Radio Episode 101- Luxa Strata- Consent, Chaos Magic, Experiments and The Self https://open.spotify.com/episode/4t431wA9D1uNnM2SAUa2ci?si=rDyF_nAUR3qOYJ5LWhcB5A Sex and Sigil Magic 101 w/ Luxa Strata and Damian Agony, Kinkschool 2024 (November 23rd, 2024) Use code LUXA10 to get 10% off tickets! https://www.kinkschool.ca/ Curious about steel mace flow? Check out Fourth Dimension Fitness: https://www.fourthdimensionfitness.com/ Companion Episodes of Lux Occult: 70. Spinoza and the Sexy Dangers of Pantheism, Transdivinity & Agdistis w/ Rocket https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/70--Spinoza-and-the-Sexy-Dangers-of-Pantheism--Transdivinity--Agdistis-w-Rocket-e2bnjsi 86. Learning the Language of Lenormand w/ Erika Robinson https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/86--Learning-the-Language-of-Lenormand-w-Erika-Robinson-e2mvsb4 88. Autonomy, Egregores, Magic & More w/ The Consent Academy https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/88--Autonomy--Egregores--Magic--More-w-The-Consent-Academy-e2o0rp8 48. The 5 Pillars of Consent w/ Zach Budd & Odin and Inclusive Heathenry w/ Lonnie Scott https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/48--The-5-Pillars-of-Consent-w-Zach-Budd--Odin-and-Inclusive-Heathenry-w-Lonnie-Scott-e1m0qbr 77. The Fixed Gaze w/ Aidan Wachter https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/77--The-Fixed-Gaze-w-Aidan-Wachter-e2gfb42 85. Demons, Playing Cards & Wreck This Deck w/ Becky Annison & Secrets of Greek Mysticism w/ George Lizos https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/85--Demons--Playing-Cards--Wreck-This-Deck-w-Becky-Annison--Secrets-of-Greek-Mysticism-w-George-Lizos-e2mds6s

Lux Occult
89. Secrets of Santa Muerte w/ Cressida Stone & A Magical Tale of Caution w/ “Zephod”

Lux Occult

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 4, 2024 99:25


Luxa https://linktr.ee/LuxaStrata is joined by Cressida Stone https://www.instagram.com/secretsofsantamuerte/?hl=en, author of Secrets of Santa Muerte:  joins to discuss her book, Secrets of Santa Muerte: A Guide to the Prayers, Spells, Rituals, and Hexes, working with the folk saint, and her journey into becoming a devotee. Topics discussed include the colors of Santa Muerte, mythbusting and advice for practitioners who would like to form a relationship with Santa Muerte. During an episode within the episode, an anonymous listener will share a tale of caution about lessons he feels he learned the hard way in his magical practice.   Luxa also shares an audio edition of listener mail and an update about The Green Mushroom Project https://greenmushroomproject.com/ and Void House- creating a consent forward magical space for conducting group work both in person and online, investigating the magical and alchemical properties of consent and providing consent education to magically inclined people. This episode also includes a track from Fuck around and Find Out 2:The Green Mushroom Project and We the Hallowed Digital Mixtape https://wethehallowed.bandcamp.com/album/fuck-around-find-out-2-the-green-mushroom-project-and-we-the-hallowed-digital-mixtape?from=embed. Much Love! Cressida Stone's work: book: https://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Santa-Muerte-Prayers-Rituals/dp/1578637724/ instagram @secretsofsantamuerte tiktok @secretsofsantamuerte X @CressidaStone The shop Cressida mentioned: https://firmearteonline.com/ Full show notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRlUJg5jRJHuY_hCzPtC72G12DLP4exEheT3zcKDtUtH9wg39oe5uuUrRok4STHJvDrnMS-Y27oYsSR/pub   Find Luxa's work published in Serpents of Circe: A Manual to Magical Resilience edited by Laura Tempest Zakroff and Ron Padrón https://revelore.press/product/serpents-of-circe-a-manual-to-magical-resilience/ Weird Web Radio Episode 101- Luxa Strata- Consent, Chaos Magic, Experiments and The Self https://open.spotify.com/episode/4t431wA9D1uNnM2SAUa2ci?si=rDyF_nAUR3qOYJ5LWhcB5A Curious about steel mace flow? Check out Fourth Dimension Fitness: https://www.fourthdimensionfitness.com/ Check out The Consent Academy https://www.consent.academy/ Companion Episodes of Lux Occult 77. The Fixed Gaze w/ Aidan Wachter https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/77--The-Fixed-Gaze-w-Aidan-Wachter-e2gfb42 80. Icelandic Folk Magic w/ Albert Björn Shiell & Santa Muerte, Alchemy, and More w/ Omega Decay https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/80--Icelandic-Folk-Magic-w-Albert-Bjrn-Shiell--Santa-Muerte--Alchemy--and-More-w-Omega-Decay-e2jf8q4 88. Autonomy, Egregores, Magic & More w/ The Consent Academy https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/88--Autonomy--Egregores--Magic--More-w-The-Consent-Academy-e2o0rp8 EYES OF YOUR EYES- Luxa Strata ft. Folds & Floods https://youtu.be/EfdQ-pJEBsg The Train to Hartford - A Video Sigil produced by Luxa Strata https://youtu.be/7_uVjQhUnbw Check out the Lux Occult YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCn8n4oQIH1uo08NhMvjjlB Find Lux Occult Hello Void T-shirts and more at Illumin Industries: https://www.etsy.com/shop/IlluminIndustries Check out VOID/Machine: Adjustment by Luxa Strata ft Sally Fourth https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vR1OOZ6M-lrYLMRxCzUjELrrh9QDrCwNBDKea9n75f07_oG8RXRctcJV3KOhjNBXuQG00fVZ0qGWq-j/pub An article in which Luxa was featured: What is chaos magic? A guide to the radical occult practice. Daze.com https://www.dazeddigital.com/beauty/article/61174/1/what-is-chaos-magick-a-guide-to-the-radical-occult-practice

Vayse
VYS0042 | Grinding Out Some Low-End - Vayse to Face with Aidan Wachter

Vayse

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 2, 2024 126:18


VYS0042 | Grinding Out Some Low-End - Vayse to Face with Aidan Wachter - Show Notes Somehow stumbling into a third season knowing less than when they started, Hine and Buckley welcome a guest that has been top of the Vasye-most-wanted-list since the podcast's inception - witch, dirt sorcerer, magician, animist and author, Aidan Wachter. Aidan skilfully and eloquently answers questions on some big topics: are some people naturally more able to connect to magic than others? How do you tune into the more subtle communications when working with spirits? What separates Aidan's practice, beliefs and faith from those of a conventionally religious practice? How can a solitary magical practice serve the wider community? ...and whatever happened to the Black Squid Cult? (Recorded 22 August 2024) Aidan Wachter online Aidan's Website (https://www.aidanwachter.com/) Aidan on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/aidan_wachter/) Aidan's Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/aidanwachter) Spirit Box #31 / Aidan Wachter, dirt sorcery, Six Ways, Weaving Fate, & Doing what works for you (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvzVZzHKYQA) Spirit Box #62 / Aidan Wachter, on writing, the somnambulist self & the authentic self (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09i9XkIFTVI) Spirit Box #78 / Aidan Wachter, Changeling: A book of Qualities (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmNefBInfdg) What Magic Is This? - Spirits With Aidan Wachter (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2020/08/21/spirits-with-aidan-wachter/) Glitch Bottle #060 - Dirt Sorcery and Six Ways with Aidan Wachter (https://www.glitchbottle.com/podcast/2021/5/29/060-dirt-sorcery-and-six-ways-with-aidan-wachter) Glitch Bottle #061 - Sigils, Vessels and Doors with Aidan Wachter | Glitch Bottle (https://www.glitchbottle.com/podcast/2021/5/29/061-sigils-vessels-and-doors-with-aidan-wachter-glitch-bottle) Glitch Bottle #077 - Weaving Fate with Aidan Wachter (https://www.glitchbottle.com/podcast/2021/5/29/077-weaving-fate-with-aidan-wachter) Hine's Intro Nazca Mummies: Proof of Ancient Aliens or Modern-Day Hoax? - The Lineup (https://the-line-up.com/nazca-mummies) Ray Bradbury - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Bradbury) Ex-Air Force Law Enforcement Agent Says He Hoaxed Major UFO Mythologies (Richard Doty) - Huff Post (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/exair-force-law-enforceme_b_5312650) Polypores (Stephen James Buckley) - Bandcamp (https://polypores.bandcamp.com/) Ouija - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouija) Larvell Jones' Best Bits, Police Academy (Michael Winslow) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4un2Fc1D3bw) Six Ways: Approaches & Entries for Practical Magic by Aidan Wachter - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/39028487-six-ways) Weaving Fate: Hypersigils, Changing the Past, & Telling True Lies by Aidan Wachter - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54854252-weaving-fate) Changeling: A Book Of Qualities by Aidan Wachter - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59717179-changeling) ZChronicles 1.1 - Z(Cluster) e-zine - Chaos Matrix (http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos/texts/zchron1.txt) ZChronicles 2.1 - Chaos Matrix (http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos/texts/zchron2.txt) Vayse to Face with Aidan Wachter List of Aidan's podcast appearances (https://www.aidanwachter.com/recordings) Animism - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism) What is Aphantasia? - Aphantasia.com (https://aphantasia.com/what-is-aphantasia/) Models of Magic - Spiral Nature (https://www.spiralnature.com/magick/models/) The Shamanic Journey - Shaman Links (https://www.shamanlinks.net/shaman-info/about-shamanism/the-shamanic-journey/) Extrasensory perception (second sight) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrasensory_perception) Arnold - Official Trailer (Netflix) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2AEI26LBpA) Stockholm syndrome - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome) Factitious disorder imposed on another (Munchausen syndrome by proxy) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factitious_disorder_imposed_on_another) Hypervigilance - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervigilance) Spirits of Land and Place - Learn Religions (https://www.learnreligions.com/spirits-of-land-and-place-2561604) Somatic experiencing - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somatic_experiencing) Divination - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divination) Tarot - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarot) I Ching - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Ching) Chaos magic - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_magic) Polytheism - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytheism) What Magic Is This? - Unverified Personal Gnosis with Aidan Wachter (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2024/08/15/unverified-personal-gnosis-with-aidan-wachter/) Unverified personal gnosis (UPG) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unverified_personal_gnosis) VYS0021 | Song of the Dark Man - Vayse to Face with Darragh Mason (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0021) Spirit Box podcast - Spotify (https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/spirit-box) VYS0040 | The Great Ping-Ping - Vayse to Face with OORYA (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0040) OORYA's website (https://www.oorya.net/) VYS0037 | Elvis with a Flaming Sword - Vayse to Face with AP Strange (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0037) AP Strange's Weird Writings (https://www.apstrange.com/) VYS0028 | Psychic Jizz - Vayse to Face with Stephanie Quick (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0028) Ghost Dog is a Mystery Box (Steph Quick's blog) (https://stephaniequick.home.blog/) Anthropocene - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropocene) Agentic state - Psychology Tips (https://psychology.tips/agentic-state/) Houseplants for Wellbeing - RHS (https://www.rhs.org.uk/science/articles/houseplants-for-wellbeing) Erwan Le Corre - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwan_Le_Corre) Desmond Morris - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Morris) Chakra Tones (vowel chanting) - The Energy Healing Site (https://www.the-energy-healing-site.com/chakra-tones.html) Panhandle (San Francisco) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panhandle_(San_Francisco)) Pool of Enchantment, Golden Gate Park, San Francisco - Noehill (https://noehill.com/sf/landmarks/poi_pool_of_enchantment.asp) Servitor (chaos magic) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servitor_(chaos_magic)) How pop culture set the stage for the US Govt UFO report - NBC News (https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/movies/how-pop-culture-set-stage-coming-ufo-report-better-or-n1268673) Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions by Edwin A. Abbott - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/433567.Flatland) Dorzhi Banzarov: Black Faith, or, Shamanism with the Mongols - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorzhi_Banzarov#Black_Faith,_or,_Shamanism_with_the_Mongols) Aidan's Recommendations Standing and Not Falling by Lee Morgan - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40005899-standing-and-not-falling) People of the Outside: Witchcraft, Cannibalism, and the Elder Folk by Lee Morgan - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/213417620-people-of-the-outside) Slewfoot: A Tale of Bewitchery by Brom - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56179372-slewfoot) The Tooth Fairy by Graham Joyce - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/44601.The_Tooth_Fairy) Windhand - Levitation Sessions (FULL SET) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0IlaKicYyw) Band-Maid / Full Show Live at Lollapalooza 2023 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbX_MRHYkQA) The Warning - Full Concert Live at Teatro Metropólitan - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hbBa1-1p7M) Loom - Bandcamp (https://loommusic.bandcamp.com/) Buckley's Closing Question Chelsea Wolfe - 16 Psyche (Official Video) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sb5TszDqYE) Vayse Online Vayse website (https://www.vayse.co.uk/) Vayse on Twitter/X (https://twitter.com/vayseesyav) Vayse on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/vayseesyav/) Vayse on Bandcamp (Music From Vayse Vols 1 & 2) (https://vayse.bandcamp.com/) Vayse on Ko-Fi (https://ko-fi.com/vayse) Vayse email: vayseinfo@gmail.com Special Guest: Aidan Wachter.

Lux Occult
88. Autonomy, Egregores, Magic & More w/ The Consent Academy

Lux Occult

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 5, 2024 88:56


Co-directors of Consent Academy https://www.instagram.com/consentacademy/ Ariana and Ash, join Luxa https://linktr.ee/LuxaStrata to discuss how magical work with groups or solo (and activities or relationships of any kind) can be improved through learning about and using consent practices, and how the risk of consent incidents happening can be decreased through education, respect, and slowing down and taking one's time. Topics discussed include contextualizing consent in relationships with non-human entities, the will and desire, consent culture and egregores as well as The Consent Academy's 4 part model of consent. Ariana iis an ordained monk in the Tantric Shingon lineage of Buddhism who has a background in linguistics, education and violence prevention. Ash has a background in sex education and domestic violence prevention and is an abortion doula and adjunct faculty member at Antioch University. Luxa also shares listener mail and an update about The Green Mushroom Project https://greenmushroomproject.com/ and Void House- creating a consent forward magical space for conducting group work both in person and online, investigating the magical and alchemical properties of consent and providing consent education to magically inclined people. Much Love! Full Show Notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zrSqUef5dA65XwjwDrHnrR8WWkhQk1iR0GSLMQXocr8/pub Check out The Consent Academy https://www.consent.academy/ Thanks for listening to the Lux Occult Podcast! Support the show by helping Luxa buy books and curtail other costs, as well as taking a bibliomancy break by giving on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/luxoccult or Buy Me a Coffee.com for a one time donation: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/luxoccultpod?new=1  We would love to hear from you! Please send your thoughts, questions, suggestions or arcane revelations to luxoccultpod@gmail.com or message on Instagram @luxoccultpod https://www.instagram.com/luxoccultpod/ The Green Mushroom Project https://greenmushroomproject.com/ Find Luxa's work published in Serpents of Circe: A Manual to Magical Resilience edited by Laura Tempest Zakroff and Ron Padrón https://revelore.press/product/serpents-of-circe-a-manual-to-magical-resilience/ Weird Web Radio Episode 101- Luxa Strata- Consent, Chaos Magic, Experiments and The Self https://open.spotify.com/episode/4t431wA9D1uNnM2SAUa2ci?si=rDyF_nAUR3qOYJ5LWhcB5A Sex and Sigil Magic 101 w/ Luxa Strata and Damian Agony, Kinkschool 2024 (November 23rd, 2024) Use code LUXA10 to get 10% off tickets! https://www.kinkschool.ca/ Curious about steel mace flow? Check out Fourth Dimension Fitness: https://www.fourthdimensionfitness.com/ Companion Episodes of Lux Occult: 48. The 5 Pillars of Consent w/ Zach Budd & Odin and Inclusive Heathenry w/ Lonnie Scott https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/48--The-5-Pillars-of-Consent-w-Zach-Budd--Odin-and-Inclusive-Heathenry-w-Lonnie-Scott-e1m0qbr 63. Becoming Undomesticated: In Praise of the Wild Spirit w/ Ramon Castellanos & A Very Paranormal Summer w/ Flood from Ex V Planis https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/63--Becoming-Undomesticated-In-Praise-of-the-Wild-Spirit-w-Ramon-Castellanos--A-Very-Paranormal-Summer-w-Flood-from-Ex-V-Planis-e268vbe 77. The Fixed Gaze w/ Aidan Wachter https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/77--The-Fixed-Gaze-w-Aidan-Wachter-e2gfb42 85. Demons, Playing Cards & Wreck This Deck w/ Becky Annison & Secrets of Greek Mysticism w/ George Lizos https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/85--Demons--Playing-Cards--Wreck-This-Deck-w-Becky-Annison--Secrets-of-Greek-Mysticism-w-George-Lizos-e2mds6s

What Magic Is This?
Unverified Personal Gnosis with Aidan Wachter

What Magic Is This?

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 16, 2024 149:27


It's time to kick around an idea that gets brought up and used quite a bit these days. Unverified personal Gnosis are the terms used to describe a belief gained through personal subjective experience, not things which are confirmed by traditions or in groups. They usually inform the belief system of those that experience them. On this episode, we will be talking with someone whose entire practice is based around Unverified Personal Gnosis. That's right! It's the long-awaited return of author and animist sorcerer Aidan Wachter!

Moonbeaming
Weaving Fate & 8 of Pentacles Magic With Aidan Wachter

Moonbeaming

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 10, 2024 81:48


Today we continue on with our popular living the tarot series with another very special guest. Today we have the one and only Aidan Wachter! In this episode, we get into a very deep, very philosophical all about magic. If you are interested in the occult, as well as learning from a very experienced practitioner, this episode is for you. Guest bio: Aidan Wachter is an eclectic animist, magician, and witch. His work focuses on magical approaches that produce real change in the practitioner and their reality. Wachter believes that magic is an inherent aspect of the human animal that, when missing or neglected, can lead to pathological states in the individual. These states then ripple out into human society and beyond it. It is his belief that magic can be a tool to re-frame what is possible for a person and, from that position, create better possible futures for all beings. He is the author of Six Ways: Approaches & Entries For Practical Magic, Weaving Fate: Hypersigils, Changing The Past, & Telling True Lies, and Changeling: A Book Of Qualities.www.aidanwachter.comhttps://www.patreon.com/aidanwachterFind Aidan on Instagram. https://www.amazon.com/stores/Aidan%20Wachter/author/B07B4LVRTC 

Lux Occult
81. Magic for the Resistance and the History of Tarot w/ Michael M. Hughes

Lux Occult

Play Episode Listen Later May 24, 2024 130:47


Michael M Hughes https://www.michaelmhughes.com/ joins Luxa https://linktr.ee/LuxaStrata to share about experiences surrounding the ritual he created to bind the reality TV star the US elected as president in 2016 and which ended up being propelled to viral fame, becoming the largest magical working in history. There's some great stuff about the history of the Tarot and Micheal's courses in the subject, with some debunking of popular myths (spoiler alert, it's not from Ancient Egypt, but that doesn't make it any less cool or interesting). Also explored are the intersections of the Trickster, the and the Magician archetypes, and what this might have to do with the stage magician, the “sacred trap” and more.  During a break Luxa shares about The Green Sphere https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQsi-sqCg1RgxZWbePZ7-boZ1k0Xknnpgbzof31_KNtfegkMgLXcqGK1pZQfNm4m35xmOXKhNPm_S3t/pub, a protection and healing ritual you can take part in on June 8th, 2024; as well as a few books from The Green Mushroom Hyphosigil Project's 23:Bibliomancy scripture https://greenmushroomproject.com/category/23bibliomancy/, Mushroom updates, listener mail and more! Much Love.  Find Micheal M. Hughes Tarot courses at https://www.theartofmagicalliving.com/ For Full Show Notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQKXnALo5UAUxLjnvyIMNUrF0MYij3ZKNrk6XvRg7qcjVc2dpcW_vGla6TAMmlZRpnv5Xm2iuUZusLz/pub Thanks for listening to the Lux Occult Podcast! Support the show by helping Luxa buy books and curtail other costs, as well as taking a bibliomancy break by giving on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/luxoccult or Buy Me a Coffee.com for a one time donation: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/luxoccultpod?new=1  We would love to hear from you! Please send your thoughts, questions, suggestions or arcane revelations to luxoccultpod@gmail.com or message on Instagram @luxoccultpod https://www.instagram.com/luxoccultpod/ This episode features tracks from “Fuck Around and Find Out pt. 2”, the We the Hallowed and Green Mushroom Project digital mixtape. Big thanks to the following creators, and to everyone who contributed to the project. Check out the entire mix here! https://wethehallowed.bandcamp.com/album/fuck-around-find-out-2-the-green-mushroom-project-and-we-the-hallowed-digital-mixtape?from=embed Reality Tunnels: by GNYVE ⁠https://wethehallowed.bandcamp.com/track/reality-tunnels-by-gnyve Companion Episodes of Lux Occult:  10. Ritual, Performance and Theatre with Dr. Rob C. Thompson from Occult Confessions and The Dark Pool ⁠https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/10--Ritual--Performance-and-Theatre-with-Dr--Rob-C--Thompson-from-Occult-Confessions-and-The-Dark-Pool-embqem⁠ 12. Dirt Sorcery, Hypersigils, and Claiming Your Power with Aidan Wachter ⁠https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/12--Dirt-Sorcery--Hypersigils--and-Claiming-Your-Power-with-Aidan-Wachter-enavk0⁠ 27. Conspiracy Thought and the "Occult Conspiracy" with Dr. Rob C. Thompson ⁠https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/27--Conspiracy-Thought-and-the-Occult-Conspiracy-with-Dr--Rob-C--Thompson-e141qeb⁠ 75. Psychoanalysis and the Cut-up Technique w/ Dr. Vanessa Sinclair & Anonymous Agnostic Antichrists w/ Derek Hunter ⁠https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/75--Psychoanalysis-and-the-Cut-up-Technique-w-Dr--Vanessa-Sinclair--Anonymous-Agnostic-Antichrists-w-Derek-Hunter-e2erbui⁠

The Primal Happiness Show
How magic and neurodivergence weave together - Aidan Wachter

The Primal Happiness Show

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 30, 2024 66:10


Neurodivergent perspectives & magic... Could they be two sides of the same coin? Aidan Wachter, an animist, author, and healer, has been involved in practical magic since the 1980s. He is an animist and is deeply concerned with the effects of modern Western life-ways on the human animal, on both physical and spiritual levels. In this show, Aidan and Lian explore the intersection of magic and neurodivergencence. They discuss how neurodivergence and magic appear to overlap, including the unique perspectives and experiences that neurodivergent individuals bring to the practice of magic. We'd love to know what YOU think about this week's show. Let's carry on the conversation… please leave a comment wherever you are listening or in any of our other spaces to engage. What you'll learn from this episode: Neurodivergent individuals often have a different worldview and experience of reality, which can lead them to seek out practices like magic to make sense of the world in a way that aligns more with their perspectives. Magic is not just a metaphor or psychological process, but a way of engaging with a different reality that neurodivergent individuals may be more attuned to. The intersection of neurodivergence and magic challenges societal norms and offers alternative ways of understanding and engaging with the world. Having allies and support is crucial in navigating the world as a neurodivergent person and is something we gain access to once we open to the reality of magic and the profound relationships that lie there. Resources and stuff spoken about: Visit Aidan's Website: www.aidanwachter.com Listen to Aidan's Podcast here : Six Ways Podcast Join UNIO, the Academy of Sacred Union: This is for the old souls in this new world… Discover your kin & unite with your soul's calling to truly live your myth. Be Mythical Join our mailing list for soul stirring goodness: https://www.bemythical.com/moonly Join us in UNIO: The Academy of Sacred Union Go Deeper: https://www.bemythical.com/godeeper Follow us: Facebook Instagram TikTok YouTube Thank you for listening! There's a fresh episode released each week here and on most podcast platforms - and video too on YouTube - if you subscribe then you'll get each new episode delivered to your device every week automagically (that way you'll never miss an episode).  

Lux Occult
78. Finding New Paths w/ Angela Guyton & Merrily Duffy

Lux Occult

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 4, 2024 110:00


Angela Guyton https://www.angelaguyton.com/about/ (Nothing Rhymes w/ Rats, Paradoxical +) shares about the experience of being an accomplished comic book artist who would also like to be a comic book writer, and the sometimes uncomfortable journey of stretching one's wings in a creative practice. The concepts discussed could be applied to a new endeavor of any type! Merrily Duffy, host of the Casual Temple Podcast https://casualtemple.com/ shares about her journey into the magical paradigm in which she currently works, exploring a variety of topics such as  kundalini yoga, ceremonial magic and working with the planets, especially hoary old Saturn. Luxa https://linktr.ee/LuxaStrata conducts some magical work, provides a poetry snack and an update about The Green Mushroom Project as well as sharing a Void Journal entry about the intersections of ritual and kink; and makes an announcement about Void House- a new experiment to create a consent-forward magical space. Much Love! Thanks for listening to the Lux Occult Podcast! Support the show by helping Luxa buy books and curtail other costs, as well as taking a bibliomancy break by giving on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/luxoccult or Buy Me a Coffee.com for a one time donation: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/luxoccultpod?new=1  We would love to hear from you! Please send your thoughts, questions, suggestions or arcane revelations to luxoccultpod@gmail.com or message on Instagram @luxoccultpod https://www.instagram.com/luxoccultpod/ Angela Guyton:https://www.angelaguyton.com/about/ https://www.instagram.com/angieastronaut/ Merrily Duffy: https://www.instagram.com/merrilyduffy/ https://casualtemple.com/ Full show notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTy9Qnzczb-4YsOSSshAkpxLtOdQDc6dJ0ZaAzUgZSzsR_3PeRAnE7ofljFvCtQfVWBHwZ1F_OhKhtd/pub Find Nothing Rhymes with Rats available for purchase here: https://www.angelaguyton.com/store/ Casual Temple 22: Magical Musings: EXPLORING Art, Science, and Philosophy VIA Chaos Magick for Personal Growth w/ Luxa Strata https://casualtemple.com/episodes/ep-22/ Hear Luxa and Keats Ross on Rendering Unconscious podcast: https://www.renderingunconscious.org/art/ru287-luxa-strata-keats-ross-on-23rd-mind-magic-occulture-creativity-art-podcasting/ Find Lux Occult "Hello Void" T-shirts and more at Illumin Industries: https://www.etsy.com/shop/IlluminIndustries Companion Episodes of Lux Occult:  53. Nothing Rhymes with Rats w/ Ramsey Janini & Cryptids and Conspiracies w/ Chad from Unearthing Paranormalcy https://open.spotify.com/episode/5PzK98UP9PdGYub2D5MhN1?si=-BoYRZ6yRXaexxRxpCUeoQ 26. Metacognition, Neuroplasticity, and Healing from Trauma with Dave Neal https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/26--Metacognition--Neuroplasticity--and-Healing-from-Trauma-with-Dave-Neal-e13b4fm 48. The 5 Pillars of Consent w/ Zach Budd & Odin and Inclusive Heathenry w/ Lonnie Scott https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/48--The-5-Pillars-of-Consent-w-Zach-Budd--Odin-and-Inclusive-Heathenry-w-Lonnie-Scott-e1m0qbr 75. Psychoanalysis and the Cut-up Technique w/ Dr. Vanessa Sinclair & Anonymous Agnostic Antichrists w/ Derek Hunter https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/75--Psychoanalysis-and-the-Cut-up-Technique-w-Dr--Vanessa-Sinclair--Anonymous-Agnostic-Antichrists-w-Derek-Hunter-e2erbui 74. The Magician and the Machine w/ Eric J. Millar & Mme. Vendredi https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/74--The-Magician-and-the-Machine-w-Eric-J--Millar--Mme--Vendredi-e2eavuc 12. Dirt Sorcery, Hypersigils, and Claiming Your Power with Aidan Wachter https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/12--Dirt-Sorcery--Hypersigils--and-Claiming-Your-Power-with-Aidan-Wachter-enavk0 Produced by Luxa Strata, 2024

Lux Occult
77. The Fixed Gaze w/ Aidan Wachter

Lux Occult

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 1, 2024 88:26


Aidan Wachter https://www.patreon.com/aidanwachter, author of Changeling, Six Ways, and Weaving Fate, joins Luxa https://linktr.ee/LuxaStrata to discuss ways of cultivating resilience and focusing on the bigger picture by aligning one's attention with one's intention. Aidan shares about the somatic work he's been conducting to move through anxiety, some thoughts about his time away from the public eye and much more! There is also a teaser about a new project he is working on. Luxa shares Book 19 of The Green Mushroom Project 23:Bibliomancy scripture, a poetry snack in the form of a psalm to Praxidice, a sound magick track for cleansing and banishing, and some musings about forging a knife. Much Love! For Full Show Notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vS1nIESTr2AHuwF9EmAJcUb_L3SIKus6jO64yg39IPHikGAtpSTuv5aq7EgZi0KfsWXRwmlnCAtrRx6/pub Thanks for listening to the Lux Occult Podcast! To support the show by helping Luxa buy books and curtail other costs, as well as taking a bibliomancy break, consider giving on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/luxoccult or Buy Me a Coffee.com for a one time donation: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/luxoccultpod?new=1  We would love to hear from you! Please send your thoughts, questions, suggestions or arcane revelations to luxoccultpod@gmail.com or message on Instagram @luxoccultpod https://www.instagram.com/luxoccultpod/ Find Aidan Wachter at https://www.aidanwachter.com/ EYES OF YOUR EYES- Luxa Strata ft. Folds & Floods https://youtu.be/EfdQ-pJEBsg Casual Temple 22: Magical Musings: EXPLORING Art, Science, and Philosophy VIA Chaos Magick for Personal Growth w/ Luxa Strata https://casualtemple.com/episodes/ep-22/ Companion Episodes of Lux Occult:  12. Dirt Sorcery, Hypersigils, and Claiming Your Power with Aidan Wachter https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/12--Dirt-Sorcery--Hypersigils--and-Claiming-Your-Power-with-Aidan-Wachter-enavk0 29. Visualization Demystified & Imagination Magick Re-imagined with Aidan Wachter https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/29--Visualization-Demystified--Imagination-Magick-Re-imagined-with-Aidan-Wachter-e15lcqp 42. Changeling and Changing the Script w/ Aidan Wachter & Occulture Jammer w/ Joy https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/42--Changeling-and-Changing-the-Script-w-Aidan-Wachter--Occulture-Jammer-w-Joy-e1fu1hn 26. Metacognition, Neuroplasticity, and Healing from Trauma with Dave Neal https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/26--Metacognition--Neuroplasticity--and-Healing-from-Trauma-with-Dave-Neal-e13b4fm 48. The 5 Pillars of Consent w/ Zach Budd & Odin and Inclusive Heathenry w/ Lonnie Scotthttps://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/48--The-5-Pillars-of-Consent-w-Zach-Budd--Odin-and-Inclusive-Heathenry-w-Lonnie-Scott-e1m0qbr 67. The Wiliest Chaotes w/ Chaos Magick News & Ghost Boxes and Gematria w/ Bobby Hale https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/67--The-Wiliest-Chaotes-w-Chaos-Magick-News--Ghost-Boxes-and-Gematria-w-Bobby-Hale-e29k10v 75. Psychoanalysis and the Cut-up Technique w/ Dr. Vanessa Sinclair & Anonymous Agnostic Antichrists w/ Derek Hunter ⁠https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/luxa-strata/episodes/75--Psychoanalysis-and-the-Cut-up-Technique-w-Dr--Vanessa-Sinclair--Anonymous-Agnostic-Antichrists-w-Derek-Hunter-e2erbui⁠ Check out all the awesome tools on the Chaos Tarot.com Trinary web app! https://www.chaostarot.com/app/

Vayse
VYS0034 | The Weird Review of the Year 2023 Pt.1

Vayse

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 24, 2024 82:16


VYS0034 | The Weird Review of the Year 2023 Pt.1 - Show Notes 2023 was a weird year, a slightly frightening year, a year dominated by UAPs becoming ever more unidentified, AIs becoming ever more intelligent, the Military–industrial complex becoming ever more complex and human beings becoming ever more fucking stupid. In this first part of the second annual Weird Review of the Year, Hine takes Buckley on a fevered journey through the haunted forest of the memories of the year that was, stopping along the way to point out the many strange lights in the sky, the fierce black leopards in the long grass, and the spoon bending, sooth-saying light entertainer hiding in the dark shadows cast by the impenetrable canopy of misinformation onto the windy, uncertain and often deceptive desire-path of truth... (recorded 15 January 2024) Thanks to robo-Walken for his kind words and patience and as always to Keith for the show notes - give him a follow on bluesky: @peakflow.bsky.social Again, the news stories in this episode were sourced from the weird and wonderous website https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/ - bookmark it and check it daily. Hine's Intro They Live, “Chew Bubble Gum and Kick Ass” scene; Crazy Yak - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1TcnQxV4BE) They Live (film) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Live) Roddy Piper - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roddy_Piper) All About Dog Poop - Purina (https://www.purina.co.uk/articles/dogs/health/digestion/guide-to-dog-poop) Christopher Walken - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Walken) Imagination is a spectrum – and 1% of people can't mentally visualise things at all - The Conversation (https://theconversation.com/imagination-is-a-spectrum-and-1-of-people-cant-mentally-visualise-things-at-all-199794) Aphantasia - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphantasia) Mental image - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_image) Aidan Wachter's website (https://www.aidanwachter.com/) Jason Miller's website (https://strategicsorcery.net/) The Shamanic Journey - Shaman Links (https://www.shamanlinks.net/shaman-info/about-shamanism/the-shamanic-journey/) Does Everyone Have an Inner Monologue? - Very Well Mind (https://www.verywellmind.com/does-everyone-have-an-inner-monologue-6831748) Lev Vygotsky, Thinking and Speech - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Vygotsky#Thinking_and_Speech) Subtitled speech: Phenomenology of tickertape synesthesia - Science Direct (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0010945222003203?via%3Dihub) Visual imagery vividness declines across the lifespan; Science Direct (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0010945222001897?via%3Dihub) January 2023 Russia ‘liquidates' UFO Russia Says It Shot Down a UFO - Newsweek (https://www.newsweek.com/russia-rostov-ufo-object-rostov-drone-1771582) Russia Says It Shot Down a UFO (includes video footage) - Cosmos News, YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPNCy5L2bgk) What are UAPs, and why do UFOs have a new name? - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-are-uaps-unexplained-aerial-phenomenon-ufos-new-name/) Uri Geller blames aliens for outages Jan 11, 2023 Tweet by Uri Geller (https://x.com/theurigeller/status/1613142144599953413?s=20) Uri Geller - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uri_Geller) Software maintenance mistake at center of major FAA computer meltdown: Official - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/computer-failure-faa-impact-flights-nationwide/story?id=96358202) Meta's social media apps back up after brief outage, Downdetector says - Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/technology/metas-social-media-apps-down-thousands-users-downdetector-2023-01-26/) Microsoft cloud outage hits users around the world - CNN Business (https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/25/tech/microsoft-cloud-outage-worldwide-trnd/index.html) Phenomena: The Secret History of the U.S. Government's Investigations into Extrasensory Perception and Psychokinesis, by Annie Jacobsen - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30841980-phenomena) Andrija Puharich - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrija_Puharich) Remote viewing - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_viewing) Why Do Artists Lip Sync? Should It Be Acceptable? - Untapped Sound (https://untappedsound.com/why-do-artists-lip-sync-should-it-be-acceptable/) Secret CIA Tests Found TV Psychic Uri Geller Really Did Have Special Powers - The Daily Beast (https://www.thedailybeast.com/secret-cia-tests-found-tv-psychic-uri-geller-really-did-have-special-powers) Third Eye Spies, Official Trailer - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZvAd4TlUNY) Third Eye Spies (Full Documentary) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WUaS_Ynd_M) Hellier Season 1 - Planet Weird TV (https://www.planetweird.tv/hellier-season-1) Study finds link between poor sleep and paranormal beliefs Poor Sleep Linked To Paranormal Beliefs Around Aliens, Ghosts, And Demons - IFL Science (https://www.iflscience.com/poor-sleep-linked-to-paranormal-beliefs-around-aliens-ghosts-and-demons-67190) The associations between paranormal beliefs and sleep variables - Journal of Sleep Research, Wiley Online Library (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jsr.13810) Insomnia - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insomnia) In Our Time (radio series) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Our_Time_(radio_series)) In Our Time podcast episodes - BBC (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qykl/episodes/player) Dana Scully - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Scully) Sleep deprivation -- Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_deprivation) Sleep paralysis - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis) Exploding head syndrome - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploding_head_syndrome) Night hag - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_hag) Analysis paralysis - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_paralysis) Consensus reality - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_reality) Surf culture - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surf_culture) Scientists discover that the Sea Spider can regrow its anus Sea spiders can regrow their anuses, scientists discover - Live Science (https://www.livescience.com/sea-spiders-anus-regeneration) Pycnogonum litorale - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pycnogonum_litorale) Arthropod - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthropod) Arachnid - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arachnid) Uncovering the Mysteries of Sea Spider Anatomy - Spiders USA (https://spidersusa.com/uncovering-the-mysteries-of-sea-spider-anatomy/) Vayse episodes in January VYS0014 | The Weird Review of the Year 2022 (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0014) VYS0015 | The Green Witch's Guide to the January Blues - Vayse to Face with Jennifer Lane (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0015) The Wheel: A Witch's Path Back to the Ancient Self by Jennifer Lane - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59126905-the-wheel) The Witch's Survival Guide: Spells for Healing from Stress and Burnout by Jennifer Lane - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/91301757-the-witch-s-survival-guide) The Black Air by Jennifer Lane - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/61350299-the-black-air) February 2023 The Great High-Altitude Object Flap US shoots down suspected Chinese spy balloon over east coast - The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/04/chinese-spy-balloon-shot-down-us) 2023 Chinese balloon incident - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Chinese_balloon_incident) Roswell incident - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_incident) Unidentified object shot down over Alaska by US military, White House says - The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/10/alaska-us-military-unidentified-object-white-house) Why the Military Keeps Spotting so Many Unidentified Flying Objects—and Then Shooting Them Down - Time (https://time.com/6255261/us-shoots-down-unidentified-objects/) List of high-altitude object events in 2023 - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_high-altitude_object_events_in_2023) Body Snatchers in the Desert: The Horrible Truth at the Heart of the Roswell Story by Nick Redfern - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/276887.Body_Snatchers_in_the_Desert) Nick Redfern's blog (https://nickredfernfortean.blogspot.com/) Progeria - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progeria) What Really Happened at Roswell? - Where Did The Road Go? podcast (https://wheredidtheroadgo.com/show-archive/2023/item/845-what-really-happened-at-roswell-march-11-2023) Nick Redfern: The Roswell UFO Conspiracy - Somewhere in the Skies podcast (https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/somewhere-in-the-skies/id1227858637?i=1000385909775) Mirage Men: An Adventure into Paranoia, Espionage, Psychological Warfare, and UFOs by Mark Pilkington - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9045589-mirage-men) Encounters: Experiences with Nonhuman Intelligences by D.W. Pasulka - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/65213521-encounters) Artificial intelligence - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence) Zeitgeist - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist) Man killed by chicken Man dies from ‘aggressive' chicken attack causes fatal puncture wounds; Yahoo (https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/man-dies-aggressive-chicken-attack-142956366.html) ‘Litres of blood': Daughter of man who died after chicken attack breaks silence - The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brahma-chicken-man-killed-jasper-kraus-b2284350.html) Man found dead in pool of blood after chicken attack, inquest hears - Irish Examiner (https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41070338.html) DARPA trials pilotless AI-powered fighter jets ACE Program's AI Agents Transition from Simulation to Live Flight - DARPA (https://www.darpa.mil/news-events/2023-02-13) The US Air Force Is Moving Fast on AI-Piloted Fighter Jets - Wired (https://www.wired.com/story/us-air-force-skyborg-vista-ai-fighter-jets/) Beyond Automation: How Artificial Intelligence Is Transforming Aviation - Future Flight (https://www.futureflight.aero/news-article/2023-07-13/beyond-automation-how-artificial-intelligence-transforming-aviation) Brace yourselves: AI could co-pilot planes, reveals Emirates Airline president - Interesting Engineering (https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/single-pilot-flights-with-ai) Vayse episodes in February VYS0016 | We Created It By Talking About It - Vayse to Face with Ken Eakins (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0016) SideVayse: SVYS002 | Darkness, Darkness (https://www.vayse.co.uk/svys002) The Darkness (band) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Darkness_(band)) March 2023 Colombian children hospitalised after playing with a Ouija board (again) 28 girls hospitalized with ‘anxiety' after playing with Ouija board - New York Post (https://nypost.com/2023/03/07/28-girls-hospitalized-for-anxiety-after-ouija-board-game/) 11 children found collapsed in school corridor after playing Ouija board game - Daily Mirror (2022) (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/11-children-found-collapsed-school-28459270) Ouija - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouija) Virgin Mary statues - Lostpedia (https://lostpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Virgin_Mary_statues) Occam's razor - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor) The Exorcist (film), 1973 - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exorcist) The Exorcist | 4K Ultra HD Official Trailer; Warner Bros. - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU2eYAO31Cc) Cylindrical UFO sighted over Baghdad Cylindrical UFO detected by thermal imaging drone flying over Baghdad - Curious Cosmos (includes video) (https://curiosmos.com/cylindrical-ufo-detected-by-thermal-imaging-drone-flying-over-baghdad/) The "Jellyfish UAP" is just a smudge on the IR camera's casing - Reddit (includes arguments for and against) (https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/192w8u1/the_jellyfish_uap_is_just_a_smudge_on_the_ir/) Floating "Jellyfish" UFO haunted US military base in Iraq for years, says former US Marine intelligence analyst - Daily Mail (includes videos) (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12956423/Floating-Jellyfish-UFO-haunted-military-base-Iraq-years-says-former-Marine-intelligence-analyst-shown-infrared-video-colleagues.html) Optics, Human eye - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optics#Human_eye) Seeing "Jesus in toast" phenomenon perfectly normal, professor says - Science Daily (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140506115622.htm) Pareidolia - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia) George Knapp - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Knapp_(television_journalist)) Jeremey Corbell - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbell) Calvine UFO photo solved? UFO investigator claims to have ‘solved' UK's biggest X-Files mystery in Scotland - MSN, Daily Record (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/ufo-investigator-claims-to-have-solved-uk-s-biggest-x-files-mystery-in-scotland/ar-AA18iVpg) Secret UFO dossier into 1990 Scottish "spacecraft sighting" sealed for another 50 years - Daily Record (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/secret-ufo-dossier-1990-scottish-22824456) BAE Systems Military Air & Information - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems_Military_Air_%26_Information) Warton Aerodrome - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warton_Aerodrome) Woman has been eating toilet paper every day for 23 years "It's Like Crack": Chicago Woman Gets Addicted To Eating Toilet Paper Rolls - India Times (https://www.indiatimes.com/trending/wtf/woman-addicted-to-eating-toilet-rolls-594963.html) Woman has been eating toilet paper every day for 23 years - Unexplained Mysteries (https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/364593/woman-has-been-eating-toilet-paper-every-day-for-23-years) Pica (disorder) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pica_(disorder)) Matter-Eater Lad - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter-Eater_Lad) Magpie - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magpie) Michel Lotito - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Lotito) Harry Crews - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Crews) Car: A Novel by Harry Crews - Amazon (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Car-Novel-Harry-Crews/dp/068802145X/) Classic Crews: A Harry Crews Reader by Harry Crews - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/24844) Penny Royal, Season Two, Episode Two: Mystery Machine (James Shelby Downard) (https://www.pennyroyalpodcast.com/) James Shelby Downard - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Shelby_Downard) Searching for the Wrong-Eyed Jesus - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Searching_for_the_Wrong-Eyed_Jesus) Searching for the Wrong-Eyed Jesus (trailer); Dogwoof - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p3yEqMeU64) Arena: Searching for the One Eyed Jesus - BBC iPlayer (https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0074qfn/arena-searching-for-the-wrongeyed-jesus) Kesha - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kesha) Gag Order (album) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gag_Order_(album)) Gag Order by Kesha (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KOCqO0pNtc&list=PLxA687tYuMWjQSSU1zRr3N2-xg5X0-LUe) Kesha and the Creepies - Apple Podcast (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kesha-and-the-creepies/id1534028155) Alice Cooper - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Cooper) St Vincent (musician) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Vincent_(musician)) Kelly Osborne - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_Osbourne) Mitch Horowitz - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitch_Horowitz) Rick Rubin - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Rubin) Uri Geller posts more UFO stuff Uri Geller posts up footage of alleged UFO on Twitter - Unexplained Mysteries (https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/365560/uri-geller-posts-up-footage-of-alleged-ufo-on-twitter) March 29, 2023 Tweet by Uri Geller (https://x.com/theurigeller/status/1641148655615737884?s=20) Vayse episodes in March VYS0017 | Occult Detective - Vayse to Face with Bob Freeman (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0017) VYS0018 | Ex Cabus Ad Astra - Vayse to Face with Kathryn J Preston (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0018) April 2023 Elon Musk starts new AI company Elon Musk quietly starts X.AI, a new artificial intelligence company to challenge OpenAI - VentureBeat (https://venturebeat.com/ai/elon-musk-quietly-starts-x-ai-a-new-artificial-intelligence-company-to-challenge-openai/) US Senate Committee holds open hearings on the UFO issue UFO hearing in Senate: New videos but no hard evidence - EarthSky (https://earthsky.org/human-world/ufo-hearing-senate-uap-congress/) Pentagon has "no credible evidence" of aliens or UFOs that defy physics - Space (https://www.space.com/pentagon-aaro-ufo-hearing-april-2023) AARO website (https://www.aaro.mil/) Ontology - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology) Spanish athlete spends 500 days alone in cave A Spanish athlete spent 500 days alone in a cave — for science - NPR (https://www.npr.org/2023/04/17/1170388759/500-days-cave-beatriz-flamini-spain) Woman spends 500 days alone in a cave – how extreme isolation can alter your sense of time - The Conversation (https://theconversation.com/woman-spends-500-days-alone-in-a-cave-how-extreme-isolation-can-alter-your-sense-of-time-204166) Circadian rhythm - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circadian_rhythm) Pop out cake - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_out_cake) Social isolation and dementia risk - Alzheimer's Society (https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/about-dementia/managing-the-risk-of-dementia/reduce-your-risk-of-dementia/social-isolation) Time anxiety: what it is and how you can deal with it - Clockify (https://clockify.me/blog/managing-time/time-anxiety/) Time out of Joint: Capitalism takes a dysrhythmic toll on nature's clocks and human lives - Sociological Review (https://thesociologicalreview.org/magazine/march-2022/time/time-out-of-joint/) Vayse episodes in April VYS0019 – It's a Very, Very Mad World: Donnie Darko (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0019) VYS0020 | Messages of Deception - Vayse to Face with Mark Pilkington (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0020) Mirage Men: An Adventure into Paranoia, Espionage, Psychological Warfare, and UFOs by Mark Pilkington - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9045589-mirage-men) May 2023 Spherical object of unknown origin intercepted off Hawaii F-22s Intercepted “Spherical Object” Off Hawaii In Latest Balloon Chase - The Drive (https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/f-22s-intercepted-spherical-object-off-hawaii-in-latest-balloon-chase) ‘Definitive proof‘: Big cats prowl the British countryside New DNA evidence "confirms" presence of big cats in the UK - Discover Wildlife (https://www.discoverwildlife.com/news/new-dna-evidence-confirms-presence-of-big-cats-in-the-uk) British big cats - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_big_cats) Panthera Britannia Declassified (Official Trailer); Dragonfly Films - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQd87zpahpI) Panthera Britannia streaming: where to watch online? - Just Watch (https://www.justwatch.com/us/movie/panthera-britannia) Joe Exotic (‘The Tiger King') - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Exotic) Stanford professor says aliens are ‘100 %' on earth Stanford professor says aliens are ‘100 per cent' on earth, US is ‘reverse-engineering downed UFOs' - News.com (https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/space/stanford-professor-says-aliens-are-100-per-cent-on-earth-us-is-reverseengineering-downed-ufos/news-story/041694ef5df4791fbdfa303a08f34a9c) This Stanford Professor With CIA Ties Says Aliens Are ‘100 Percent' Already Here - Popular Mechanics (https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a43978705/stanford-professor-says-aliens-are-already-here/) Garry Nolan - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garry_Nolan) American Cosmic: UFOs, Religion, Technology by D.W. Pasulka - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/38819245-american-cosmic) Encounters: Experiences with Nonhuman Intelligences by D.W. Pasulka - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/65213521-encounters) Sekret Machines: Gods - Volume 1 of Gods, Man, & War by Tom DeLonge and Peter Levenda -Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32505811-sekret-machines) Communion (1989) - Trailer; The SciFi Spot - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ9SI7WShfU) Luis Elizondo - Wikipeida (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Elizondo) Immunology - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunology) Erich von Däniken - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_von_D%C3%A4niken) Sinister Forces Book Three: The Manson Secret by Peter Levenda - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/19183915-sinister-forces-the-manson-secret) Whitley Strieber - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitley_Strieber) Operation Paperclip - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip) MKUltra - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKUltra) Prisoner of Infinity: Social Engineering, UFOs, and the Psychology of Fragmentation by Jasun Horsley - Goodreads (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/39729748-prisoner-of-infinity) FDA approves Elon Musk's Neuralink chip for human trials The FDA finally approved Elon Musk's Neuralink chip for human trials. Have all the concerns been addressed? - The Conversation (https://theconversation.com/the-fda-finally-approved-elon-musks-neuralink-chip-for-human-trials-have-all-the-concerns-been-addressed-206610) The Gruesome Story of How Neuralink's Monkeys Actually Died - Wired (https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-pcrm-neuralink-monkey-deaths/) Elon Musk's claim that no monkey died as a result of Neuralink implants contradicts records that show how the animals experienced brain swelling, paralysis, seizures, and other health effects, letter to SEC alleges - Business Insider (https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-neuralink-monkeys-infections-paralysis-brain-swelling-implants-sec-2023-9?r=US&IR=T#:~:text=Musk%2C%20who%20co%2Dfounded%20the,connect%20to%20a%20device%20remotely) Musk's Neuralink faces federal inquiry after killing 1,500 animals in testing - The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/05/neuralink-animal-testing-elon-musk-investigation) Neuralink website (https://neuralink.com/) Vayse episodes in May VYS0021 | Song of the Dark Man - Vayse to Face with Darragh Mason (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0021) Spirit Box S2 #18 / Peter Hine and Stephen Buckley, Dreams, Nightmares and Pan - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkrq25g2vWc) SideVayse: SVYS003 | Anglezarke (https://www.vayse.co.uk/svys003) Prague - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague) John Dee - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dee) Enochian - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enochian) Allen Greenfield on Twitter (https://twitter.com/allengreenfield) Vayse online Vayse website (https://www.vayse.co.uk/) Vayse on Twitter (https://twitter.com/vayseesyav) Vayse on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/vayseesyav/) Music From Vayse - Volume 1 by Polypores (https://vayse.bandcamp.com/album/music-from-vayse-volume-1) Vayse on Ko-Fi (https://ko-fi.com/vayse) Vayse email: vayseinfo@gmail.com

Spirit Box
S2 #29 / Aidan Wachter, it is solved by walking.

Spirit Box

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 4, 2023 61:44


Rejoice! The legendary Aidan Wachter is back on SB! Aidan is a magician and the author of three books, Six Ways,  Weaving Fate and Changeling. This show is called ‘it's solved buy walking after a phrase Aidan used in our conversation. We discuss the impact nature can have on us as we're working through the often challenging landscape of our lives. We discuss how our engagement and immersion into the landscape of our environment can nourish and bring healing to our internal world. And actually just how simple that process can be. We get into ones allies guiding writing, how it can be a collaborative process. What it's like to write three very successful books. In the plus show we discuss what it's like to be a vehicle for the current. The field as an organism and as magical practitioners we have a function. We also go through how it's unlikely one will remain the same as ‘you once were' if you develop a magical life and how that change will not always be pretty. It rarely is. We also go into how there is a sense that similar is happening on an international level and how to navigate things when confronted with difficult and the downright awful. It's good stuff.Enjoy Show notes:Aidan's Instagram https://www.instagram.com/aidan_wachter/ Althaea Sebastiani https://www.instagram.com/ladyalthaea/ Co-regulation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-regulation Birdsong frequency benefits https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-20841-0 Aidan Wachter https://www.aidanwachter.com/ Six ways https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/39028487-six-ways Weaving fate https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54854252-weaving-fate Changeling https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59717179-changeling Aidan on Weird Web Radio https://www.patreon.com/weirdwebradio/posts --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/spirit-box/message

Weird Web Radio
Episode 95 - Aidan Wachter - The Crossroads Had Other Plans

Weird Web Radio

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 26, 2023 88:00


Welcome to Weird Web Radio! Guess who's back! Back Again! AIDAN WACHTER is back! Tell your friends!  Aidan's back! Aidan's back! Aidan's back! Any fan of this show knows by now that Aidan Wachter is not only a common guest on here, but more importantly, Aidan is among those rare friends I count as found family. When he warned me a long while ago that he was going to disappear for a while, I didn't realize it would be total silence for a long time. I know why. It's all good. It was needed. We dig into that for a while in this episode. In fact, we go deep into several subjects which were in part inspired by questions from Patreon members and a special Facebook group built around a community that explores Aidan's published works. This was not only a fun episode. It was also very good conversation with a friend. It was one we decided it was time to hit record. Aidan stuck around for about another hour in the Patreon Bonus Audio portion! We took a real deep dive into devotion vs magic vs religion and more!  Aidan's BIO: Aidan Wachter has been actively involved in magical practice for a really long time. His work reflects a wide-ranging eclectic and non-dogmatic approach with influences from many paths. He writes with a focus on the practice of the craft as a learnable set of skills that can be developed rather than as an innate set of talents that must be inherited or granted to the seeker. He is the author of Six Ways: Approaches & Entries For Practical Magic, Weaving Fate: Hypersigils, Changing the Past, & Telling True Lies, and Changeling: A Book Of Qualities. Aidan On The Web: Main Site: https://aidanwachter.com  Enjoy the show! Stay Weird! Want to know what Aidan and I Talk about in the bonus portion?! We go WAY DEEPER into Mysteries, religion, devotion and magic! All that and more in the members only bonus audio extended interview! Join here! It's time to sport a new look? Hell yes! Check out the Official Weird Web Radio Store for Shirts, Hoodies, Hats, and more! Real quick! Do you want a Tarot Reading from an international award winning professional? Look no more! I'm here! Go to my site http://tarotheathen.com to reserve your reading today! You can also come join the Facebook discussion group here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/weirdwebradio/ New Instagram for Weird Web Radio! Follow for unique content and videos! https://www.instagram.com/weirdwebradio/ You can make a One-Time Donation to help support the show and show some love! Is this show worth a dollar to you? How about five dollars? Help support this podcast! That gets you into the Weird Web Radio membership where the extra goodies appear! Join the membership at patreon.com/weirdwebradio or at weirdwebradio.com and click Join the Membership! SHOW NOTES: SUBSCRIBE ON Apple Podcasts, Amazon Podcasts, and Spotify! Also streaming on mobile apps for podcasts! Intro voice over by Lothar Tuppan. Outro voice over by Lonnie Scott Intro & Outro Music by Nine Inch Nails on the album ‘7', song title ‘Ghost', under Creative Commons License.

Vayse
VYS0026 | It's a Wand-erful Life - Vayse to Face with Douglas Batchelor Pt. 1

Vayse

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 13, 2023 88:13


VYS0026 | It's a Wand-erful Life - Vayse to Face with Douglas Batchelor Pt. 1 - Show Notes Hine and Buckley are back for the first episode of season 2 and they've brought Douglas Batchelor along with them! Doug is the host and creator of the incomparable What Magic is This? - a podcast about Magic, the Occult, the Esoteric, the Paranormal, the Supernatural and the Weird and surely the single most frequently mentioned magical resource throughout the first season of Vayse. In the first part of this two-part, slightly giddy interview, the roots of Doug's magical life are revealed as he talks about how he graduated from being a disillusioned materialist teenager to a punk-rock chaos magician to a self-styled-necromantic-performative-ritual-magician with an awesome occult podcast. The conversation bounces around: from synchronicities to Bob Ross, from how to start your own magical practice to Hot Wheels skating gear, from podcasting as a work of magic to the psychic influence of the Lost Boys soundtrack... and all whilst Hine and Buckley try their best to uncover and assimilate the source of Doug's seemingly inexhaustible enthusiasm and positivity... Recorded 3 August 2023 Big thanks go to Doug for being so generous with his time and enthusiastic with sharing his knowledge - we were not expecting for this to be a double episode!!! And thanks as always to Keith for the show notes! Give Keith a follow on Twitter @peak_flow for electronic music and weird stuff. Douglas Batchelor/What Magic is This? Links What Magic is This? website (https://whatmagicisthis.com/) Douglas/What Magic is This? On Twitter (https://twitter.com/DouglasWMiT) Douglas/What Magic is This? On Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/douglaswmit/) Douglas/What Magic is This? On YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@whatmagicisthis/videos) Douglas/What Magic is This? Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/WhatMagicIsThisPodcast/) Douglas/What Magic is This? Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/whatmagicisthis) Buckley and Hine's introductory stories - related links Carl Sagan's Cosmos - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmos%3A_A_Personal_Voyage) Bob Ross - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Ross) Surfskating - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfskating) Hot Wheels - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Wheels) The Lost Boys Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q786UsnOcsY) The Lost Boys (film) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lost_Boys) The Lost Boys Soundtrack (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raI38f_xMZE) The Lost Boys Soundtrack (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lost_Boys#Music) VYS0003 | Welcome to Vayse: Population (first released episode) (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0003) Selected topics and people featured on What Magic Is This? Links Chaos Magic, Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_magic) Chaos Magic Part I - What Magic Is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2020/07/20/chaos-magic-part-i/) Chaos Magic Part II - What Magic Is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2020/07/31/chaos-magic-part-ii/) Sigil - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigil) Sigils - What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2020/05/11/sigils/) The Lesser Key of Solomon on Sacred Texts (https://sacred-texts.com/grim/lks/index.htm) The Lesser Key of Solomon edited by Joseph H Peterson (https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=30643630931&searchurl=an%3Dpeterson%2Bjoseph%26sortby%3D17%26tn%3Dlesser%2Bkey%2Bof%2Bsolomon%2Bthe%2Blemegeton%2Bclavicula%2Bsalomonis&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title1) Lesser Key of Solomon/Ars Goetia - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lesser_Key_of_Solomon) Goetia - What Magic is This? Episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2021/08/30/goetia/) Greek Magical Papyri - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Magical_Papyri) The Greek Magical Papyri In Translation on the Internet Archive (https://archive.org/details/TheGreekMagicalPapyriInTranslation/mode/2up) The Greek Magical Papyri in Translation Volume I: Texts (https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31601118429&ref_=ps_ggl_10939332144&cm_mmc=ggl-_-UK_Shopp_Textbookstandard-_-product_id=UK9780226044477USED-_-keyword=&gclid=Cj0KCQjw0vWnBhC6ARIsAJpJM6fpF9O5d0vYsBN1CSFiZXS-lSE_tWyW3qCaPJO563We-9XVSLsa1qIaAoK3EALw_wcB)by Hans Dieter Betz The Greek Magical Papyri - What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2020/02/29/the-greek-magical-papyri/) I Ching, Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Ching) I Ching - Wilhelm/Baynes (http://www2.unipr.it/~deyoung/I_Ching_Wilhelm_Translation.html) I Ching or Book of Changes: Ancient Chinese wisdom to inspire and enlighten (https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/i-ching-or-book-of-changes-ancient-chinese-wisdom-to-inspire-and-enlighten-richard-wilhelm/14406?ean=9780140192070) - Wilhelm/Baynes Translation 3rd Edition The I Ching with Dan Lowe - What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2022/07/30/the-i-ching-with-dan-lowe/) Ouija - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouija) Ouija - What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2023/07/24/ouija/) Aidan Wachter's website (https://www.aidanwachter.com/) Spirits with Aiden Wachter - What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2020/08/21/spirits-with-aidan-wachter/) Gary Lachman's website (https://www.gary-lachman.com/) The Ever-Evolving Consciousness of Gary Lachman - What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2022/03/24/the-ever-evolving-consciousness-of-gary-lachman/) Jack Hunter's website (https://jack-hunter.yourwebsitespace.com/) Spiritualism & Spirit Mediumship with Jack Hunter - What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2022/05/31/spiritualism-amp-spirit-mediumship-with-jack-hunter/) Joshua Cutchin's website (https://www.joshuacutchin.com/) Fairies, UFOs, Aliens with Joshua Cutchin - What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2023/03/14/fairies-ufos-aliens-with-joshua-cutchin/) Alexander Cummins' website (http://www.alexandercummins.com/) Grimoires with Alexander Cummins, What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2021/01/30/grimoires-with-alexander-cummins/) Jeffrey Kripal's website (https://jeffreyjkripal.com/) The Luminous Mind of Jeffrey Kripal - What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2020/12/22/the-luminous-mind-of-jeffrey-kripal/) The Return Of Jeffrey Kripal – 100th Episode! - What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2023/01/16/the-return-of-jeffrey-kripal-100th-episode/) What Magic is This? as tutorial/opinion - related links Aleister Crowley - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley) Aleister Crowley – His Life and Ideas with Richard Kaczynski - What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2021/10/19/aleister-crowley-his-life-and-ideas-with-richard-kaczynski/) Aleister Crowley – The Myth and the New Aeon with Richard T. Cole - What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2021/10/31/aleister-crowley-the-myth-and-the-new-aeon-with-richard-t-cole/) Aleister Crowley – My Beastly Thoughts - What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2021/11/11/aleister-crowley-my-beastly-thoughts/) Charles Fort - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Fort) Charles Fort - What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2020/11/11/charles-fort/) Fort's 'Measurement Of A Circle' - Forteana.org forum discussion (https://forums.forteana.org/index.php?threads/forts-measurement-of-a-circle.8783/) Occultism - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occult#Occultism) Occultism with Mitch Horowitz - What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2023/08/31/occultism-with-mitch-horowitz/) The Art of Storytelling in Non-Fiction - Reedsy Live article (https://blog.reedsy.com/live/storytelling-in-nonfiction/) Colin Wilson - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Wilson) Colin Wilson - What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2020/03/31/colin-wilson/) Carl Jung - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung) Carl Jung - What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2019/07/02/carl-jung/) Consensus reality - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_reality) Douglas' early interest in magic and weird stuff - related links Calgary, Alberta - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calgary) Indigenous peoples in Canada - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_in_Canada) Animism - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism) Greek Mythology - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_mythology) J. R.R. Tolkien - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._R._Tolkien) Mysteries of the Unknown books - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysteries_of_the_Unknown) The Search for the Lost Lemon Mine, CIM Magazine article (https://magazine.cim.org/en/in-search/the-search-for-the-lost-lemon-mine/) Robert W. Service (poet) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Service) John E Douglas - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_E._Douglas) Carl Jung - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung) Robertson Davies - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robertson_Davies) Herman Hesse - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Hesse) Siddhartha (novel) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhartha_(novel)) Siddhartha (https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/siddhartha-hermann-hesse/7441227?ean=9781805330196) by Hermann Hesse Steppenwolf (novel) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steppenwolf_(novel)) Steppenwolf (https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/steppenwolf-hermann-hesse/2094941?ean=9780141192093) by Hermann Hesse Disinformation TV series and related links Video rental shop - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_rental_shop) Disinformation (TV series) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_(TV_series)) DisInfoTV - clips from the show (https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5N_krU-BvSw-51dxHL1JJper_J28_4wv) Disinformation: The Complete Series, DVD review (https://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/12123/disinformation-the-complete-series/) Book of Lies: The Disinformation Guide to Magick and the Occult (https://www.abebooks.co.uk/9781938875106/Book-Lies-New-Edition-Disinformation-1938875109/plp) - edited by Richard Metzger Richard Metzger's "DisinfoCon 2000" (feat. Robert Anton Wilson, Kenneth Anger, et al.) - video (3.5 hrs approx.) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t_Uk2lzXIo) Richard Metzger - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Metzger) Disinformation (company) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_(company)) Joe Coleman (painter) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Coleman_(painter)) Kenneth Anger - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Anger) Douglas Rushkoff - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Rushkoff) Robert Anton Wilson - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Anton_Wilson) Genesis P-Orridge - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_P-Orridge) Nevill Drury - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevill_Drury) Allen Greenfield on Twitter (https://twitter.com/allengreenfield) Grant Morrison and related links Grant Morrison - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_Morrison) Grant Morrison on Chaos Magic, the occult & Sigil creation (from DisInfoCon 2000) - video (45 mins approx.) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTMFBYXmvMk) Pop Magic (https://doctormcg.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/morrison-pop-magik-ocr.pdf) by Grant Morrison Chaos Magic - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_magic) Sigil - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigil) The Magic Mind of Grant Morrison -What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2021/12/27/the-magic-mind-of-grant-morrison/) Douglas' magical practice and related links Unforeseen Interlude: How I Started in Magic - What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2019/09/03/unforseen-interlude-how-i-started-in-magic-and-qa/) Ceremonial Magic - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceremonial_magic) VYS0012 - Order Out of Chaos - Vayse to Face with Mark Vincent (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0012) Treadwell's Books - website (https://www.treadwells-london.com/) Models of Magic - Spiral Nature article (https://www.spiralnature.com/magick/models/) Peter J Carroll - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_J._Carroll) Phil Hine - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Hine) Austin Osman Spare - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_Osman_Spare) Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_Order_of_the_Golden_Dawn) Aleister Crowley - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley) Hermetic Qabala - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_Qabalah) Egregore - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egregore) Servitor (chaos magic) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servitor_(chaos_magic)) Edmonton, Alberta - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmonton) Chaos Magick vs ceremonial and others - Reddit thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/magick/comments/zn7ag6/chaos_magick_vs_ceremonial_and_others/) Greek Magical Papyri - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Magical_Papyri) Cunning folk - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cunning_folk) Cunning Folk with Aerinn Hodges - What Magic is This? Episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2021/04/28/cunning-folk-with-aerinn-hodges/) The Great Work - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Work_(Hermeticism)) Alan Moore and related links Alan Moore - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Moore) V for Vendetta (graphic novel) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta) V for Vendetta (https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/v-for-vendetta-alan-moore/6301050?ean=9781779511195) by Alan Moore Watchmen (comic book series) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmen) Watchmen (https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/watchmen-international-edition-alan-moore/2879987?ean=9781401248192) by Alan Moore Promethea (comic book series) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promethea) Promethea: The Deluxe Edition Book One (https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/promethea-the-deluxe-edition-book-one-alan-moore/3371192?ean=9781401288662) by Alan Moore Alan Moore interview - Mustard magazine (http://www.mustardweb.org/alanmoore/) The Marvellous Magical World of Alan Moore - What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2020/04/30/the-marvellous-magical-world-of-alan-moore/) Starting a magical practice / Protection Magic / Dreams / Precognition and related links How to Start Doing Magic - What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2022/01/12/how-to-start-doing-magic/) The Imagination - What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2019/08/22/the-imagination/) What Magic is This? The Dirt episodes (https://www.patreon.com/whatmagicisthis/posts?filters[tag]=The%20Dirt) (some previews only, full access requires sign up to the Patreon) George Carlin - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Carlin) Protection Magic - Green Witch Farm article (https://greenwitchfarm.com/protection-magic/) Psi and Science - Psychology Today article (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/out-the-darkness/202206/psi-and-science) Dreams - What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2019/10/10/dreams/) Lucid Dreaming - What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2021/02/27/lucid-dreaming/) Precognition - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precognition) Is Precognition Real? Cornell University Lab Releases Powerful New Evidence that the Human Mind can Perceive the Future - H Plus magazine article (2010-2011) (https://hplusmagazine.com/2010/11/04/precognition-real-cornell-university-lab-releases-powerful-new-evidence-human-mind-can/) Hildegard of Bingen - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildegard_of_Bingen) Spiritual Cleansing: Your Guide to Cleansing Rituals and Methods, Otherworldly Oracle article (https://otherworldlyoracle.com/spiritual-cleansing-rituals/) Eric Wargo / Coincidence / Synchronicity and related links Eric Wargo's website (https://ericwargo.com/index.htm) Time Loops: Precognition, Retrocausation, and the Unconscious (https://www.abebooks.co.uk/9781938398926/Time-Loops-Precognition-Retrocausation-Unconscious-1938398920/plp) by Eric Wargo Precognitive Dreamwork and the Long Self: Interpreting Messages from Your Future (https://www.abebooks.co.uk/book-search/isbn/9781644112694/) by Eric Wargo Coincidence & Synchronicity - What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2019/07/22/coincidence-synchronicity/) The Timely Ideas of Eric Wargo - What Magic is This? episode (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2020/12/12/the-timely-ideas-of-eric-wargo/) Maslow's hierarchy of needs - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs) Peak experience - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_experience) Publication bias (aka file-drawer effect) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publication_bias) Is Death an Illusion? Evidence Suggests Death Isn't the End, Psychology Today article (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/biocentrism/201111/is-death-illusion-evidence-suggests-death-isn-t-the-end) Douglas asks Hine and Buckley why Vayse exists - related links Ultra-terrestrial hypothesis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interdimensional_UFO_hypothesis) Ultra-terrestrial Models, by H.E. Puthoff, article from The Journal of Cosmology (https://thejournalofcosmology.com/Puthoff.pdf) Ghost hunting - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_hunting) VYS0021 - Song of the Dark Man - Vayse to Face with Darragh Mason (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0021) Folie à deux - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folie_%C3%A0_deux) Mid-life crisis - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midlife_crisis) Pennyroyal podcast website (https://www.pennyroyalpodcast.com/) Hellier (TV Series) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellier_(TV_series)) Hellier Season 1: Episode 1 | The Midnight Children (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1FwIuicx88) Spirit house - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_house) 2000AD (Comics) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_AD_(comics)) Boo Cook - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boo_Cook) Tweet by Vayse showing Boo's incredible Artwork (https://x.com/vayseesyav/status/1684921390044962818?s=46&t=q2-c9hjD5sIXynDdaJB8PQ) Meet the Void Runners - 2000AD article (https://2000ad.com/news/meet-the-void-runners-the-new-series-beginning-this-week-in-2000-ad/) Animism - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism) Douglas' positivity and related links Thelema - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelema) Thoth Tarot - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoth_Tarot) Aleister Crowley - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley) Carl Sagan - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan) Cosmos: A Personal Voyage - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmos:_A_Personal_Voyage) James Burke (science historian) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Burke_(science_historian)) Connections (British TV Series) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connections_(British_TV_series)) Robert Anton Wilson - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Anton_Wilson) The Tools (https://www.waterstones.com/book/the-tools/phil-stutz/barry-michels/9781785044571) by Phil Stutz and Barry Michels Ed Sheeran - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Sheeran) Karma - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma) Garth Ennis - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garth_Ennis) Preacher (comics) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preacher_(comics)) Classic Frames from Preacher (https://chasemagnett.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/preacher-you-gotta-be-one-of-the-good-guys.jpg) - words by Garth Ennis, art by Steve Dillon Special Guest: Douglas Batchelor.

Circle Talk 4 Witches
2.10 Spellwork to Make Magic Happen

Circle Talk 4 Witches

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 19, 2023 71:54


For our belated August cross-quarter episode we are continuing to explore different ways of doing “magic”. In this episode we discussed various means of creating and implementing your own spells.  There are several external resources referenced, especially an article by Jenya T. Beachy, originally published in the author's patheos blog “Dirt Hearth Witch” in 2015: Making It So: Seven Steps to Effective Spells. Other references include: The Witch's Path: Advancing your Craft at Every Level by Thorn Mooney Website: Astrology.com/tr Six Ways: Approaches & Entries for Practical Magic by Aidan Wachter

Vayse
VYS0021 | Song of the Dark Man - Vayse to Face with Darragh Mason

Vayse

Play Episode Listen Later May 10, 2023 96:28


Darragh Mason is a podcasting hero to Hine and Buckley, he's the host of the truly excellent, award-nominated Spirit Box podcast but he's also an multi-award-winning photographer, a researcher specialising in the Djinn and the Aghori Hindu sect and the co-creator of the wonderful Sigil Engine. Darragh's latest project (one of many) is his up-coming book "Song of the Dark Man, Father of Witches" and this episode takes a deep and, at times, emotionally charged dive into the mysterious figure of the Dark Man, his prolific but largely unrecognised role in initiation into the world of witchcraft, his infrequent but significant appearances throughout folklore and his apparent ascent in the psychic aftermath of the pandemic... recorded 2 May 2023. VYS0021 | Song of the Dark Man - Vayse to Face with Darragh Mason - Show Notes Darragh Mason Links Spirit Box Podcast on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/2zx3WMPaXomAIAVUj87wL9) Spirit Box Podcast on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe7wDjqjIVyFDS9bxm1esBA) Spirit Box on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/spiritbox) Darragh Mason Photography Portfolio (https://www.darraghmason.com/index/G000070kCmomV6sY) Darragh Mason on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/darragh_mf/?hl=en) The Sigil Engine (https://www.sigilengine.com/) Vice Article on the Sigil Engine (https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjp5v3/internet-occultists-are-trying-to-change-reality-with-a-magickal-algorithm) Other Links Darragh Mason on What Magic is This? (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2021/05/21/self-transformation-with-darragh-mason/) Darragh Mason on Weird Web Radio (https://weirdwebradio.libsyn.com/episode-48-darragh-mason-field-talking-dark-macabre-practices-of-the-aghori-hindus-the-djinn) Darragh Mason on Penny Royal (episodes 6, 9, 10 and 11) (https://www.pennyroyalpodcast.com/) Spirit Box #31 / Aidan Wachter, dirt sorcery, Six Ways, Weaving Fate, & Doing what works for you (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvzVZzHKYQA) Spirit Box #62 / Aidan Wachter, on writing, the somnambulist self & the authentic self (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09i9XkIFTVI) Spirit Box #78 / Aidan Wachter, Changeling: A book of Qualities (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmNefBInfdg) Spirit Box #14 / Phil Hine on possession, overshadowing, channelling, Kali and Baphomet (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXxZbBXPphw) Spirit Box #29 / Phil Hine: The life and times of T. Lobsang Rampa (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIlusrB4vWU) Spirit Box #47 / Phil Hine, The Cannibal Club: The British Empire and Erotica (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X-mMEDC_fE) Spirit Box #50 / Mana Aelin, Spirit Portraits, Podcasting & Fae beings (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sGg3dGazJg) Spirit Box #60 / Douglas Batchelor, finding your way (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGFIJYRcThQ) Spirit Box #90 / Dr Al Cummins on The Art of Cyprian's Mirror of the Four Kings (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_fbrP4dzu4) Spirit Box S2 #06 / Jo Hickey-Hall, Modern Fairies, Daimons and Podcasts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIeJ1mRj2gs) Wikipedia article for T Lobsang Rampa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobsang_Rampa) Wikipedia Article on Arthur C. Clarke (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_C._Clarke) Operation Trojan Horse: The Classic Breakthrough Study of UFOs (https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/operation-trojan-horse-the-classic-breakthrough-study-of-ufos-john-a-keel/2915446?ean=9781938398032) by John Keel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Keel) Wikipedia Article on The Aghori Sect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aghori) City of Djinns: A Year in Delhi (https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=30884063297&searchurl=an%3Dwilliam%2Bdalrymple%26sortby%3D17%26tn%3Dcity%2Bof%2Bdjinns&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-image1) by William Dalrymple (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Dalrymple_(historian)) Wikipedia Article on Daimons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimon) Wikipedia Article on Hecate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hecate) Wikipedia Article on The Morrígan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Morr%C3%ADgan) Wikipedia Article on Lilith (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith) Spirit Box Podcast Photo (https://production.listennotes.com/podcasts/spirit-box-darragh-mason-ZILvjsnOy3p-3K7DhYrXPfc.1400x1400.jpg) The Invisible College: What a Group of Scientists Has Discovered about UFO Influence on the Human Race (https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/the-invisible-college-what-a-group-of-scientists-has-discovered-about-ufo-influence-on-the-human-race-jacques-vallee/2915455?ean=9781938398278) by Jacques Vallée (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vall%C3%A9e) Wikipedia Article on the Fenian Cycle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenian_Cycle) Wikipedia Article on Isobel Gowdie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isobel_Gowdie) Passport to Magonia (https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/passport-to-magonia-jacques-vallee/4098973?ean=9780987422484) by Jacques Vallée Article Written By Lara Silva on the Miracle at Fatima (https://www.portugal.com/history-and-culture/what-happened-at-the-miracle-of-fatima/) How the ‘Hat Man' Went From Benadryl Joke to TikTok Horror Villain (https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/hat-man-benadryl-tiktok-monster-1234620397/) - Rolling Stone Article Hat Man T Shirt (https://www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/I-can-t-take-Benadryl-because-I-owe-the-hat-man-money-and-I-don-t-want-to-see-him-by-abderrazakShop1/139698512.IJ6L0?country_code=GB&gclid=Cj0KCQjwu-KiBhCsARIsAPztUF1PE8XIu2dzcIrfqYBExrGN0eZyMdqiikJB5v6azgnfl1CInmUOesAaAludEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds) The Nonsense Bazaar #71 - The Benadryl Episode: A Trip to Eiriel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBfqREcIpfs) IMDb Article on The Hat Man: Documented Cases of Pure Evil (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8438388/) Wikipedia Article on Sleep Paralysis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis) Ecology of Souls: A New Mythology of Death & the Paranormal - Volume One (https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31273837278&searchurl=kn%3Decology%2Bof%2Bsouls%2Bjoshua%2Bcutchin%26sortby%3D17&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title5) by Joshua Cutchin Ecology of Souls: A New Mythology of Death & the Paranormal - Volume Two (https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31273748747&searchurl=kn%3Decology%2Bof%2Bsouls%2Bjoshua%2Bcutchin%26sortby%3D17&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title4) by Joshua Cutchin The Ecology of Souls Companion (Ecology of Souls: A New Mythology of Death & the Paranormal) (https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31413900744&searchurl=kn%3Decology%2Bof%2Bsouls%2Bjoshua%2Bcutchin%26sortby%3D17&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title3) by Joshua Cutchin Support Vayse on Bandcamp (https://vayse.bandcamp.com/album/music-from-vayse-volume-1) Support Vayse on Ko-fi (https://ko-fi.com/vayse#checkoutModal) - monthly supporters get access to our Discord Server Far Out Article about the theory that Bob Dylan Sold his Soul (https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/bob-dylan-sold-soul-devil-conspiracy-theory/) Special Guest: Darragh Mason.

Lux Occult
58. The Green Mushroom Project Audio Grimoire Ch. 3: Astral Temple Experiments

Lux Occult

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 8, 2023 94:13


The Green Mushroom Project Audio Grimoire series returns! Luxa https://linktr.ee/LuxaStrata is joined by fellow Fungi, Miguel, Menw, Shane https://buildingthephilosophersstone.wordpress.com/, and Joy https://www.instagram.com/occulture_jammer for a foray into a new astral environment. During this group experiment, participants were led in a guided meditation to an area previously unexplored by the group. There is a discussion about the inception of The Green Mushroom Hyphosigil Project and philosophical musings about magic and esoteric strategy. Also included is a submission from Fuck Around and Find Out II. The Green Mushroom and We the Hallowed Digital Mixtape. Mush Love. For Full show Notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTcK4QbOUcHlh2-gFEo3pFN48SqHat9fI6BNZBHZ38AAikI_bLXqUXqrh3I4KErFj6pL4lLXMowENKG/pub Thanks to the band, GNYVE, for the use of the song, Fukuffino. Check out their work: https://linktr.ee/gnyve Calling for submissions for Fuck Around and Find Out II, The Green Mushroom Project & We the Hallowed Digital Mixtape. For guidelines: https://greenmushroomproject.com/2023/01/fafo-pt-ii-the-green-mushroom-project-and-we-the-hallowed-digital-mixtape/ Fuck Around and Find The Green Mushroom Project Zine now available for free digital download: https://greenmushroomproject.com/ Check out the work of Aidan Wachter: https://www.aidanwachter.com/ Thank you for listening to the Lux Occult Podcast! If you'd like to support the show by helping Luxa buy books and curtail other costs, as well as taking a bibliomancy break, consider giving on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/luxoccult or Buy Me a Coffee.com for a one time donation: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/luxoccultpod?new=1 We would love to hear from you! Please send your thoughts, questions, suggestions or arcane revelations to luxoccultpod@gmail.com or message on Instagram @luxoccultpod https://www.instagram.com/luxoccultpod/ Find Lux Occult Hello Void T-shirts and more: https://www.etsy.com/shop/IlluminIndustries Check out the Lux Occult YouTube Channel:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCn8n4oQIH1uo08NhMvjjlB Check out all the awesome new projects the We the Hallowed folks have been putting out: https://wethehallowed.org/ Curious about steel mace flow? Check out Fourth Dimension Fitness:https://www.fourthdimensionfitness.com/

Vayse
VYS0007 | Too Much to Dream Last Night

Vayse

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 11, 2022 98:19


VYS0007 - Show Notes It's been less than 2 months since Buckley and Hine recorded VYS0003 but things are quickly getting weirder. Buckley talks about his recent dreamwork, his experiments with hypnogogia and a series of synchronicities at a London gig kickstarted by sigil magic. Hine, unexpectedly grounded from practical magic by the I Ching, recounts his experiences with the Dark Man and the Goat God Pan (one and the same?) dating from all the way back in his childhood to present day. Recorded 4 August 2022. Liminal Dreaming: Exploring Consciousness at the Edges of Sleep (https://uk.bookshop.org/books/liminal-dreaming-exploring-consciousness-at-the-edges-of-sleep/9781623173043) by Jennifer Dumpert Itsju Itsu (https://twitter.com/itsju_itsu) on Twitter What Magic Is This? – Dreams (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2019/10/10/dreams/), The I Ching with Dan Lowe (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2022/07/30/the-i-ching-with-dan-lowe/) and Spirits with Aidan Wachter (https://whatmagicisthis.com/2020/08/21/spirits-with-aidan-wachter/) Pop Magic! by Grant Morrison (https://doctormcg.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/morrison-pop-magik-ocr.pdf) The Disinformation Book of Lies edited by Richard Metzger - we normally wouldn't link directly to Amazon but the book itself is really expensive now, but you can get a kindle copy for a few quid (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Book-Lies-Disinformation-Magick-Occult-ebook/dp/B003P9X76C/ref=sr_1_1?crid=VT22QLV4GVB8&keywords=disinformation+book+of+lies&qid=1661889365&sprefix=disinformation+book+of+lies%2Caps%2C63&sr=8-1) Penny Royal (https://www.pennyroyalpodcast.com/) Hellier (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1FwIuicx88) The article written by E. Louis Lessieux that Hine read after his walk in the woods (https://spectatorworld.com/book-and-art/great-god-pan-all-things-men/) - a review of Pan: The Great God's Modern Return (https://uk.bookshop.org/books/pan-the-great-god-s-modern-return/9781789144765) by Paul Robichaud The Transcendence Orchestra (https://thetranscendenceorchestra.bandcamp.com/album/all-skies-have-sounded) Not if You Were the Last Junkie on Earth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APrpB-i4d_E) by the Dandy Warhols Anemone (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StV9lElcvAY) by the Brian Jonestown Massacre Gnod (https://gnod.bandcamp.com/) Spirit Box podcast (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe7wDjqjIVyFDS9bxm1esBA) Spirit Box - #62 / Aidan Wachter, on writing, the somnambulist self & the authentic self (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09i9XkIFTVI) Spirit Box - The 'Man in Black' in Irish folklore (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKm5tLHWf4Y) Spirit Box - #91 / Jessica Mitchell; I saw the Dark Man on Glastonbury Tor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vgzBk55eNQ) Spirit Box - #100 / Shullie H. Porter on working with the Dark Man (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSK5PPeZi2I) Communion by Whitley Strieber - the book (https://uk.bookshop.org/books/communion-a-true-story/9780285643543) and the movie (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsfJ9xLCSiY) House of Gucci (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGi3Bgn7U5U) - Talk about weird stuff...

Heathen's Journey Podcast
BONUS episode: Talking Black Books with Aidan Wachter

Heathen's Journey Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 20, 2022 95:12


Aidan Wachter has been actively involved in magical practice since the 1980's. His work reflects a wide ranging, eclectic, and non-dogmatic approach with influences from many paths including witchcraft, folk magic, and chaos magic. His books focus on the practice of the craft as a learnable set of skills that can be developed rather than innate talents that must be inherited or granted to the seeker. They are field guides rather than philosophy. In this episode, Aidan and Siri talk about using Black Books for working magic and changing your fate. If you loved this episode, you should consider attending Siri's talk at the Salem Witchcraft and Folklore Festival, which runs August 5-7 2022. You can register here. Take the Heathen's Journey Podcast listener survey to help Siri shape the future of this podcast! Purchase Aidan's books here Preorder Lessons from the Empress here! Support the podcast on Patreon! --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/heathens-journey/support

The Hearth and Hedge: A Podcast About Life, Books and Witchcraft
Episode 10: Daily Practice: The Ideal and the Reality

The Hearth and Hedge: A Podcast About Life, Books and Witchcraft

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 11, 2022 39:29


In this episode, Margo and Amberle discuss their Daily Practices and ways they stay attuned to their spiritual paths on a daily basis.  Amberle pulls a card from the Roar Oracle, by M.J. Cullinane, and Margo shares a spell adapted from Six Ways: Approaches & Entries for Practical Magic by Aidan Wachter.  We also discuss the upcoming Anahata's Purpose mini retreat.     You can find us on Instagram and Facebook @thehearthandhedge, on our website www.thehearthandhedge.com, or you can email us at thehearthandhedge@gmail.com.   Support us and enjoy additional exclusive content on Patreon at www.patreon.com/thehearthandhedge    If you like what you hear, consider dropping a review wherever you get your podcasts!   We also have a PO Box where you can send us some super exciting snail mail:  The Hearth and Hedge  PO Box 397 Cherry Hill, NJ 08003   Special thanks to ksbrmusic on Fivver.com for our intro music, and to L12Graffix of www.l12graffix.com for our beautiful logos and graphic design needs.

Lux Occult
43. The Green Mushroom Project Audio Grimoire Pt. 2: Connecting with the Astral Temple ft. Aidan Wachter

Lux Occult

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 1, 2022 108:59


For this second in an ongoing series about working with The Green Mushroom Hyphosigil project, Luxa is joined by Flood from Ex V Planis, Yaramarud from Faith Blind Council and Administrism, Miguel, The Rabbit, Josh (aka Junior C), and Shane for a lively panel discussion about working with the Green Mushroom Astral Temple. There is also a very special episode within the episode ft. author, magicacin and all-purpose badass Aidan Wachter to talk about working with the project as well as his new book, Changeling. Also included is a special musical interlude in which Adam Matlock, aka An Historic plays The Green Mushroom theme, written by Kue Varo. Come for the Astral Temple, stay for the Tentacles! Mush Love. For full show notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQ-k7aao6qVQiJyF4QsQQr7WBHnjYvYHonf3muZq0NrP9pJbyUeXMtyx6DXDMPQlJI9HHi68WiDfNzo/pub Thank you for listening to the Lux Occult Podcast! If you'd like to support the show by helping Luxa buy books and curtail other costs, as well as taking a bibliomancy break, consider giving on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/luxoccult We would love to hear from you! Please send your thoughts, questions, suggestions or arcane revelations to luxoccultpod@gmail.com or message on Instagram @luxoccultpod https://www.instagram.com/luxoccultpod/ Check out the Lux Occult YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCn8n4oQIH1uo08NhMvjjlB Stuff from people featured on today's episode: Check out Aidan's Wachter's work at: http://www.aidanwachter.com/ Adam Matlock aka An Historic's bandcamp: https://adammatlock.bandcamp.com/ Winnett Food Forset: https://www.instagram.com/winnettfoodforest/ Kue Varo's bandcamp https://kuevaro.bandcamp.com/ The Rabbit recommends checking this movement out: https://www.sunrisemovement.org/ Josh urges folks to plug into solarpunk and help make a greener future Don't miss awesome content available from The Green Mushroom Podcast Network collaborators! Ad Hoc History: https://anchor.fm/adhochistory Administrism :https://www.welcometotarotdise.com/administrism/ Ex V Planis podcast: linktr.ee/Exvplanis Faith Blind Council Podcast https://www.faithblindpodcast.com/ Grognostics: https://grognostics.com/rss Primordia: https://campsite.bio/pr1mordia Smut's Up: https://anchor.fm/smutsup Unearling Paranormalcy Podcast https://www.unpnormalcy.com/

Lux Occult
42. Changeling and Changing the Script w/ Aidan Wachter & Occulture Jammer w/ Joy

Lux Occult

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 19, 2022 103:09


Writer, occultist and all-purpose badass, Aidan Wachter https://www.aidanwachter.com/, joins Luxa once again for a conversation about his new book, Changeling, and much more. He offers some great insight and perspectives about being a magically operant person in our modern context, as well as some helpful advice about doing the difficult Work. This episode also features a “snack sized” conversation with the always impressive Joy about her new memetic project, OccultureJammer https://www.instagram.com/occulture_jammer/. There is also an update about what The Green Mushroom project has coming down the line and some lunar lyric for the full moon. Much Love. For Full Show Notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQnQ8usIcHDvYR2VJ4m6jpE2gKER_WnevlgWj3mTYvMrKwUbqXmnce-Q29MgzkGSArLBznxY8Z3Pmt6/pub Thank you for listening to the Lux Occult Podcast! If you'd like to support the show by helping Luxa buy books and curtail other costs, as well as taking a bibliomancy break, consider giving on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/luxoccult We would love to hear from you! Please send your thoughts, questions, suggestions or arcane revelations to luxoccultpod@gmail.com or message on Instagram @luxoccultpod https://www.instagram.com/luxoccultpod/ Check out the Lux Occult YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCn8n4oQIH1uo08NhMvjjlB The Woodlands Show https://www.intothewoodlands.net/ Don't miss the We the Hallowed spring equinox streaming event- Hauntquinox on March 20, 2022 at 4PM EST (or check out a recording after the fact) https://youtu.be/o_5RCqfqNO0

Weird Web Radio
Episode 73 - Aidan Wachter Talking You & Magic In Troubled Times

Weird Web Radio

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 18, 2022 75:15


Welcome to Weird Web Radio! This episode features Aidan Wachter! Aidan is a regular guest around here. This casa is also his casa. Ya dig? Aidan and I had some chats about what to discuss for this show. He has the new book - Changeling - and you should get it, but this conversation goes deeper. As I say in the show, we manage to not talk about his new book while also talking quite a lot about his new book.  This one really is more like you get to sit back and listen to Aidan I do what we do privately. We riff off of each other and dig into the why of it all in our own minds and magic.  I hope you enjoy this one! Stay Weird! Aidan's Bio: Aidan Wachter is a self described Dirt Sorcerer and he is the author of Six Ways: Approaches & Entries For Practical Magic; Weaving Fate: Hypersigils, Changing the Past, and Telling True Lies; and Changeling: A Book of Qualities.  Aidan on the Web: Instagram Official Site Want to know what Aidan and I Talk about in the bonus portion?! We go WAY DEEPER into The Shallows and The Otherworld! All that and more in the members only bonus audio extended interview! Join here! It's time to sport a new look? Hell yes! Check out the Official Weird Web Radio Store for Shirts, Hoodies, Hats, and more! Real quick! Do you want a Tarot Reading from an international award winning professional? Look no more! I'm here! Go to my site http://tarotheathen.com to reserve your reading today! You can also come join the Facebook discussion group here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/weirdwebradio/ New Instagram for Weird Web Radio! Follow for unique content and videos! https://www.instagram.com/weirdwebradio/ You can make a One-Time Donation to help support the show and show some love! Is this show worth a dollar to you? How about five dollars? Help support this podcast! That gets you into the Weird Web Radio membership where the extra goodies appear! Join the membership at patreon.com/weirdwebradio or at weirdwebradio.com and click Join the Membership! SHOW NOTES: SUBSCRIBE ON iTunes, Stitcher, and Spotify! Also streaming on mobile apps for podcasts! Intro voice over by Lothar Tuppan. Outro voice over by Lonnie Scott Intro & Outro Music by Nine Inch Nails on the album ‘7', song title ‘Ghost', under Creative Commons License.

The Esoteric Book Club
Episode 2.11 - Six Ways: Approaches & Entries for Practical Magic

The Esoteric Book Club

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 16, 2022 31:30


Where do you turn after you've moved beyond introductory level magical texts? You have a good understanding of the basics, but NOW what? We tackle that question tonight with the book Six Ways: Approaches & Entries for Practical Magic by Aidan Wachter.   Six Ways: Approaches & Entries for Practical Magic by Aidan Wachter: https://tinyurl.com/yckvdybd   Theme music is courtesy of Sara Rudy and her band Hello June, and is used with their permission. The song “Fight, Don't Fight” can be downloaded at: https://tinyurl.com/y886ns56   If you want to hear more of their music, you can find them at https://www.wearehellojune.com/ or on Bandcamp at https://hellojune.bandcamp.com/   Esoteric Book Club can be found on: Facebook: @esotericbookclub Instagram: esotericbookclub Podchaser: https://tinyurl.com/kvkjybum Web: www.esotericbookclub.org Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/Esotericbookclub Paypal: paypal.me/esotericbookclub    

Spirit Box
#78 / Aidan Wachter, Changeling: A book of Qualities

Spirit Box

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 10, 2021 62:11


For episode 78 we are joined once again by the great Aidan Wachter for a Spirit Box exclusive! This is his first interview on his new book, ‘Changeling: A book of Qualities'! "Changeling considers the craft as a vessel, a container for ideas and approaches that help clarify the path to sovereignty and effective practical magic. It looks at the qualities and practices that when integrated into a life can lead to a more beneficial understanding of self and the world. Changeling helps us to deftly navigate the complexities of having a meaningful praxis and seamlessly weave magic into the whole fabric of our life." In the show we go over his experience of writing the book, and how it affected Aidan more deeply than his previous outings. Aidan outlines how his previous books, 'Six Ways' and 'Weaving Fate' covered areas he had mastered, but this book has territories that he still is working on. We discuss how the process of transformation is constant, without end, and is not a linear journey... there are regressions and setbacks along the way. In the Plus show we discuss how power can be gentle but still produce cataclysmic changes, and the elemental qualities Aidan attributes to his collection of work. We also get into being in the moment, being present and having discernment in where you spend your time. Enjoy! Show notes: https://www.aidanwachter.com https://www.instagram.com/aidan.wachter/ Aidan's books on Amazon US Aidan's books on Amazon UK Keep in touch? https://linktr.ee/darraghmason Music by Obliqka https://soundcloud.com/obliqka --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/spirit-box/message

Weird Web Radio
Episode 67 - Halloween Special Featuring Aidan Wachter & Morgan Daimler Bonuses

Weird Web Radio

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 31, 2021 70:42


Hey Gang! Welcome to Weird Web Radio! Happy Halloween & Blessed Samhain! This is my annual treat to my audience. A Halloween gift of bonus audio that only the Patreon membership gets to hear! This year I chose two to share. Both of them are from bonus content last season with Aidan Wachter and Morgan Daimler. These are extended interview portions that feature more fun than usual. I hope you enjoy! Aidan's Bio: My approach to all I do is both informed and driven by my magical practice and spirit contacts. I believe that magic, sorcery, shamanry, witchcraft and related practices are the root of human spiritual culture. As Western societies grow more fundamentalist (particularly in the USA), in their expressions of both religion and materialism, there has been strong pressure to move away from the magical approaches which are, I believe, the birthright of humans. If we humans are indeed in some way special, I would like to think that this is not all in our material progress as expressed in rampant industrialism (and it's co-mingled social, psychic, and planetary degradation), but in our ability to directly interface with the vast array of beings and experiences that make up the world we inhabit, both this material Earth we dwell upon as well as the Otherworlds of the spirits. My aim as author, sorcerer, and artist is to facilitate this communication between ourselves and these others. Aidan On The Web: Facebook Six Ways & Weaving Fate Discussion Group Instagram Official Site Morgan's Bio: Morgan Daimler is a witch who has been a polytheist since the early '90′s. Following a path inspired by the Fairy Faith blended with neopagan witchcraft, Morgan teaches classes on Irish myth and magical practices, fairies, and related subjects in the United States and internationally. Morgan has been published in multiple anthologies as well as in Witches & Pagans magazine and Pagan Dawn magazine. Morgan has over a dozen titles available through Moon Books which include Fairies: A Guide to the Celtic Fair Folk and A New Dictionary of Fairies and has also self-published Old and Middle Irish language translations, and has an urban fantasy/paranormal romance series called Between the Worlds. Morgan On The Web: Morgan's blog: http://lairbhan.blogspot.com/ Morgan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Morgandaimler/ Morgan on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Morgan-Daimler/e/B0047QW0WY It's time to sport a new look? Hell yes! Check out the Official Weird Web Radio Store for Shirts, Hoodies, Hats, and more! Real quick! Do you want a Tarot Reading from an international award winning professional? Look no more! I'm here! Go to my site http://tarotheathen.com to reserve your reading today! You can also come join the Facebook discussion group here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/weirdwebradio/ New Instagram for Weird Web Radio! Follow for unique content and videos! https://www.instagram.com/weirdwebradio/ You can make a One-Time Donation to help support the show and show some love! Is this show worth a dollar to you? How about five dollars? Help support this podcast! That gets you into the Weird Web Radio membership where the extra goodies appear! Join the membership at patreon.com/weirdwebradio or at weirdwebradio.com and click Join the Membership! SHOW NOTES: SUBSCRIBE ON iTunes, Stitcher, and Spotify! Also streaming on mobile apps for podcasts! Intro voice over by Lothar Tuppan. Outro voice over by Lonnie Scott Intro & Outro Music by Nine Inch Nails on the album ‘7', song title ‘Ghost', under Creative Commons License. Stay Weird, my friends!

Modern Witch
S9E4: Aidan Wachter is a Punk

Modern Witch

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 21, 2021 72:42


 In this episode Devin sits down with author, podcaster, and chaos-magician gone rogue, Aiden Wachter. Join them as they discuss the evolution of his practice as well as his books and what's next. Everything Modern Witch can be found on our website, www.ModernWitch.comMore about Devin: http://www.devinhunter.net​​Sponsored by Modern Witch University: Modernwitchuniversity.comSponsored by: http://www.DaturaTrading.com Follow Devin on Twitter: @MrDevinHunterFollow Devin on Instagram: @Mr.DevinHunterAmazon Affiliate Links to my Books: The Witch's Book of Power: https://amzn.to/2Qifyjb​​The Witch's Book of Spirits: https://amzn.to/3aQrnGT​​The Witch's Book of Mysteries: https://amzn.to/32fss77​​Modern Witch | Spells, Recipes, & Workings: https://amzn.to/3j7wiWY​​ Where to find Aiden Wachter Twitter: @silfrsmithInstagram: @aidan.wachterLink Tree: https://linktr.ee/aidan.wachter 

Modern Witch
S9E4: Aidan Wachter is a Punk

Modern Witch

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 21, 2021 72:42


  In this episode Devin sits down with author, podcaster, and chaos-magician gone rogue, Aiden Wachter. Join them as they discuss the evolution of his practice as well as his books and what's next.   Everything Modern Witch can be found on our website, www.ModernWitch.com More about Devin: http://www.devinhunter.net​​ Sponsored by Modern Witch University: Modernwitchuniversity.com Sponsored by: http://www.DaturaTrading.com   Follow Devin on Twitter: @MrDevinHunter Follow Devin on Instagram: @Mr.DevinHunter Amazon Affiliate Links to my Books: The Witch's Book of Power: https://amzn.to/2Qifyjb​​ The Witch's Book of Spirits: https://amzn.to/3aQrnGT​​ The Witch's Book of Mysteries: https://amzn.to/32fss77​​ Modern Witch | Spells, Recipes, & Workings: https://amzn.to/3j7wiWY​​   Where to find Aiden Wachter   Twitter: @silfrsmith Instagram: @aidan.wachter Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/aidan.wachter  

Weird Web Radio
Episode 65 - Luxa Strata Talking Chaos Magic, Green Mushrooms, Resistance & The Weird

Weird Web Radio

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 25, 2021 62:19


Welcome to Weird Web Radio! This is the Season 5 FINALE! How exciting?!? It's been a wonderful ride through the last five years to bring you all the entertainment and insight. I've learned a lot about myself, podcasting, audio production along with all the self growth as I learn new things from my guests. Thank you all for being along for the ride! This episode features Luxa Strata! I first heard Luxa on her own show as she was interviewing Aidan Wachter. I fell instantly in love with her style and approach. So why not ask Aidan for some help reaching out to have Luxa on the show only to realize Luxa was already following me on Instagram. My bad. How did I miss that for so long? Thank goodness it's finally remedied. I believe Luxa is an up and coming very important voice in the world of Magic and Chaos Magic specifically. It was an honor and pure joy to interview her. Luxa's Bio: Luxa Strata is a magician, creator, and host of the Lux Occult podcast, a show which focuses on the intersections between Magick, Art, Philosophy and Science as viewed through the context of a Chaos Magick practice, and co-host of Ad Hoc History and Smut's Up. Luxa is also the architect of The Green Mushroom hypho-sigil project, a large scale, ongoing group working focused on building connections, fostering creativity, and empowering individuals to become more agentic through the use of magick and esoteric technology; as well as to Resist through integrity, responsibility, respect, and reciprocity. In addition to her work with The Green Mushroom, Luxa's current focus in her personal practice is on self remediation and restoration as well as enriching everyday life with practices focused on food, trance, erotisism, sound and visual art. Luxa is also enthusiastic about her continuing devotional work with Goddess in several of Her iterative forms. Find Luxa and her Magical Projects on The Web: Listen to Lux Occult: Podcast https://anchor.fm/luxa-strata Lux Occult Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/luxoccultpod/ Luxa's ongoing sigil and art project, The Memetic Disease: https://www.instagram.com/the_memetic_disease/ Listen to Ad Hoc History, a podcast where Luxa and her brother, Asher, talk history and the personal motivations that might underlie it: https://open.spotify.com/show/0HLqy3W7LtnuMxRxl0ei0Q Here's a link to a document with a simple Breakfast Magic ritual protocol: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vSaNJotjY8F8lV_0IiEtOm-Ju8mSVyFeROD-TNA_HSv9fgYlxJe27ovSgfTOU0_KZ75_bOE81cZssqc/pub The Green Mushroom Project: The Green Mushroom Link Bank (a bunch of links to stuff about the project, we're going to have a website soon, hopefully!): https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTqCfqVhRqALuqt_KpQi5mUk4p1DVztqLKc_rDyF0AyDhdaSaNcMZjTPZSIu7XBqPCiM6jO-jSjUwyY/pub Follow The Green Mushroom project on Instagram @hyphosigil https://www.instagram.com/hyphosigil/ Watch the informational video about The Green Mushroom Project on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCn8n4oQIH1uo08NhMvjjlBQ Want to know what Luxa and I Talk about in the bonus portion?! We go WAY DEEPER into the Weird, Morbid, and Magical Adventures! All that and more in the members only bonus audio extended interview! Join here! It's time to sport a new look? Hell yes! Check out the Official Weird Web Radio Store for Shirts, Hoodies, Hats, and more! Real quick! Do you want a Tarot Reading from an international award winning professional? Look no more! I'm here! Go to my site http://tarotheathen.com to reserve your reading today! You can also come join the Facebook discussion group here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/weirdwebradio/ New Instagram for Weird Web Radio! Follow for unique content and videos! https://www.instagram.com/weirdwebradio/ You can make a One-Time Donation to help support the show and show some love! Is this show worth a dollar to you? How about five dollars? Help support this podcast! That gets you into the Weird Web Radio membership where the extra goodies appear! Join the membership at patreon.com/weirdwebradio or at weirdwebradio.com and click Join the Membership! SHOW NOTES: SUBSCRIBE ON iTunes, Stitcher, YouTube and Spotify! Also streaming on mobile apps for podcasts! Intro voice over by Lothar Tuppan. Outro voice over by Lonnie Scott Intro & Outro Music by Nine Inch Nails on the album ‘7', song title ‘Ghost', under Creative Commons License.

Occult Experiments in the Home
OEITH #118 Social Class, Identity, and Plato's Cave

Occult Experiments in the Home

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 15, 2021 50:21


In this episode we examine the pride, the pain, and the double-edged nature of identification, exploring along the way: a difference in attitudes towards work; the influence of a working-class upbringing; a working-class perspective on work, and its conflicts with a middle-class perspective; the struggle to identify with professional roles; Aidan Wachter on identification as a magical technique; the liberating potential of identification and identification as a trap; my continuing identification with being working class; the imposition of identification; against the (classist) argument that education changes social class; working-class alienation from power and privilege; professional identity as a means of exploitation of the middle class; middle-class discontent; varieties of identification; identification as the mother of all defence mechanisms; Jacques Lacan on identification and "the mirror stage"; identification and the birth of the ego as captivation in an image; identification and ignorance; Kazuo Ishiguro's novel, Never Let Me Go, about some unusual students; Ishiguro's genius for depicting the limited understanding of his characters; the horror of the students' surrender to their fate; Ishiguro's novel as an analogy for the creation of social class; education as a means of ensuring docility; the film The Island (2005) as a Hollywood variation on the same theme; the fantasy of breaking out of an oppressive reality into another one; an annoying feature of The Matrix (1999); the impossibility of self-transformation; Plato's allegory of the cave; how the prisoners are conditioned to imprison themselves; Russell Brand on the décor of power; the social sense of "belonging" for the working and middle class; the ruling class at home in and beyond the law; shame and guilt as instruments of social control; the shift into identity politics and away from social class; identity politics in "heroic" and "tragic" modes; enduring shame and guilt; the escape from Plato's cave and what this might signify; a hope for a spiritual, anti-materialism as a future, defining philosophy for the Left. Michael Bay, director (2005). The Island. DreamWorks Pictures. BBC Newsnight (2013). Paxman vs Russell Brand - full interview, https://tinyurl.com/yr36avaj (youtube.com). Mark Fisher (2014). For now, our desire is nameless, https://tinyurl.com/ezxx5k66 (theeuropean.de). Kazuo Ishiguro (2005). Never Let Me Go. New York: Alfred A. Knopf. Jacques Lacan (1949). The mirror stage as formative of the “I” function as revealed in psychoanalytic experience. In: Écrits, translated by Bruce Fink, New York: Norton, 2006. Plato (1997). Republic, translated by G.M.A. Grube and C.D.C. Reeve, 514-517. In: Plato: Complete Works, edited by J.M. Cooper, Indianapolis, IN: Hackett. Luxa Strata (2021). Lux Occult Podcast #29: Visualization demystified and imagination magick re-imagined with Aidan Wachter, https://tinyurl.com/yj4nawzk (apple.com). Andy Wachowski & Lana Wachowski, directors (1999). The Matrix. Warner Bros.

Lux Occult
29. Visualization Demystified & Imagination Magick Re-imagined with Aidan Wachter

Lux Occult

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 9, 2021 125:55


Join Luxa as she speaks again with Aidan Wachter, magician, podcaster, talismanic jeweler, and author or Weaving Fate and Six Ways about how changing the way we think about the term “Visualization” as well as how we frame the practice of Imagination Magick can make it much more accessible. There's also a ton of other great, practical advice about framing our approach to the practice of magick, and life, in general, as well as some commentary on fine cinema. There's an update about a Sound Sigil track for The Green Mushroom's first birthday that you can contribute to, as well as a sample of what Luxa has mixed for the track thus far. Also, a bonus bibliomancy break featuring listener and supporter, Antoni! Thank you for listening to the Lux Occult Podcast! If you'd like to support the show by helping Luxa buy books and curtail other costs, consider giving on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/luxoccult FOR FULL EPISODE NOTES: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vSXi-jt2fAJP3QgyXv_AnEjTLqjjIQGUMxeZg20neZL0bofuoYluxJY0-EQK5YtjSApFlVhFCKIm6-B/pub Check out the new Lux Occult YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCn8n4oQIH1uo08NhMvjjlB We would love to hear from you! Please send your thoughts, questions, suggestions or arcane revelations to luxoccultpod@gmail.com or message on Instagram @luxoccultpod https://www.instagram.com/luxoccultpod/ Check out Luxa's ongoing sigil and art project, The Memetic Disease: https://www.instagram.com/the_memetic_disease/ Find alL of Aidan's Wachter's work at : http://www.aidanwachter.com/ If you would like to record a Statement of Intent for The Green Mushroom Zygospore Sound Sigil Track by mid September 2021, here are instructions: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQDdyWdjSBh0FiYYbD3y19P0E4UUZN58ab_U7dBlT7LNfA9i1p939dqZEX-MNWBvgIQhKmLbItH7xnB/pub

Consensus Unreality: Occult, UFO, Phenomena and Conspiracy strangeness
Aidan Wachter on Hypersigils and Everything Else

Consensus Unreality: Occult, UFO, Phenomena and Conspiracy strangeness

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 14, 2021 93:04


In our first interview of season two, we're joined by Aidan Wachter, author most recently of Weaving Fate: Hypersigils, Changing the Past, & Telling True Lies, for a powerful discussion on magical practice, the philosophy and application of hypersigils, chaos magic and the experience of living in a weird, animist reality. An outstanding interview to start off CU S2. Aidan Wachter https://www.aidanwachter.com/ Patreon https://www.patreon.com/consensusunreality Merch https://consensusunreality.bandcamp.com/ Music by Treatment https://treatmentforu.bandcamp.com/album/pond-life and Lxv upcoming album "Anxiety Euphoria" https://lxvlxv.bandcamp.com/  

The Primal Happiness Show
How to create your life through magic, shadow work, and personal story - Aidan Wachter

The Primal Happiness Show

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 23, 2021 58:40


This week's show is third with Aidan Wachter. Aidan Wachter has been involved in practical magic since the 1980s. He is an animist and is deeply concerned with the effects of modern Western life-ways on the human animal, on both physical and spiritual levels. Aidan views a living magical practice as a path to heal many of the problems we face today and a way of being that is intrinsic to the creatures we are. He is the author of Six Ways: Approaches & Entries to Practical Magic and Weaving Fate: Hypersigils, Changing the Past & Telling True Lies. ​In this show we explored creating your life with magic and specifically through the lens of shadow work and personal mythology. I'd love to know what YOU think about this week's show. Let's carry on the conversation… please leave a comment below. What you'll learn from this episode: We're all creating our lives through story, whether we're aware of it or not - for most of us, without doing work, that story will be an old, fear-based one Shadow work is about making conscious those parts of us that have been held outside of our awareness but have been running our lives A massive clue to where we have shadow is to notice when we are triggered - that is when an old story is alive and telling us that benign things are threatening Shadow work comes in many forms such as Jungian and shamanism - ultimately they're all about integrating the hidden parts of us back into the system Then comes the really fun part - creating our new myth... who is that, how do they live, how do they feel, what do they wear? And instilling that into our reality via archetypes, decrees/charms, hypersigils and more Finally I loved what Aidan said: "Magic is pulling real rabbits out of metaphorical hats" Resources and stuff that we spoke about:   Six Ways Podcast Thank you for listening! There's fresh episode each week, if you subscribe then you'll get each new episode delivered to your phone every Tuesday (that way you'll never miss an episode): Subscribe on Apple Podcasts/iTunes Subscribe on Android Thank you! Lian & Jonathan

Weird Web Radio
Episode 63 - Road Spirits With Aidan Wachter

Weird Web Radio

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 22, 2021 75:47


Welcome to Weird Web Radio! This episode is the launch of a new special series called Road Spirits! This series will be all about magical people having magical adventures and what they discover along the way. Why? We all travel. We all go on vacations. Well, we try and hope. Maybe this will inspire you. Traveling as magical people takes on extra depth. We look for the mysteries, the spiritual places, and the history. We find ourselves in strange encounters too. This series is my way of making these conversations more important. First up is Aidan Wachter! Aidan has done a LOT of traveling. He insists it's moving - and he is pretty much a Nomad - but he doesn't stay anywhere long. He has some amazing stories from the road and the places he called home through out his life. I hope you enjoy the journey he takes us on! The New Road Spirits logo is available on swag in the shop too! Aidan's Bio: My approach to all I do is both informed and driven by my magical practice and spirit contacts. I believe that magic, sorcery, shamanry, witchcraft and related practices are the root of human spiritual culture. As Western societies grow more fundamentalist (particularly in the USA), in their expressions of both religion and materialism, there has been strong pressure to move away from the magical approaches which are, I believe, the birthright of humans. If we humans are indeed in some way special, I would like to think that this is not all in our material progress as expressed in rampant industrialism (and it's co-mingled social, psychic, and planetary degradation), but in our ability to directly interface with the vast array of beings and experiences that make up the world we inhabit, both this material Earth we dwell upon as well as the Otherworlds of the spirits. My aim as author, sorcerer, and artist is to facilitate this communication between ourselves and these others. Enjoy the show! Stay Weird, my friends! Find Aidan On The Web: Facebook Six Ways & Weaving Fate Discussion Group Instagram Official Site Want to know what Aidan and I Talk about in the bonus portion?! We go WAY DEEPER into Sorcery and Adventures playing a game of insights and answers based on the letter A! All that and more in the members only bonus audio extended interview! Join here! It's time to sport a new look? Hell yes! Check out the Official Weird Web Radio Store for Shirts, Hoodies, Hats, and more! Real quick! Do you want a Tarot Reading from an international award winning professional? Look no more! I'm here! Go to my site http://tarotheathen.com to reserve your reading today! You can also come join the Facebook discussion group here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/weirdwebradio/ New Instagram for Weird Web Radio! Follow for unique content and videos! https://www.instagram.com/weirdwebradio/ You can make a One-Time Donation to help support the show and show some love! Is this show worth a dollar to you? How about five dollars? Help support this podcast! That gets you into the Weird Web Radio membership where the extra goodies appear! Join the membership at patreon.com/weirdwebradio or at weirdwebradio.com and click Join the Membership! SHOW NOTES: SUBSCRIBE ON iTunes, Stitcher, and Spotify! Also streaming on mobile apps for podcasts! Intro voice over by Lothar Tuppan. Outro voice over by Lonnie Scott Intro & Outro Music by Nine Inch Nails on the album ‘7', song title ‘Ghost', under Creative Commons License.

Spirit Box
#62 / Aidan Wachter, on writing, the somnambulist self & the authentic self.

Spirit Box

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 18, 2021 69:15


For episode 62 we welcome back author, magican and talismanic jeweller, Aidan Wachter. We discuss he last book Weaving Fate and Aidan's writing process, including the importance of flow and how his work is made up of broken pieces which makes sense at a later point. We talk magic as a tool for altering future probabilities and ones past through ritual and manipulation of the mind and the world. Magic and sorcery are ways of being in the world and Aidan's writing offers us his way without conditions or constraints. Aidan's work helps anchor us around the understanding that our lives are our own. That we can be our own real time biographers and we can write a better story. He also gives us a good toolkit for doing so in both of his books, Six Waysand Weaving Fate. In the Plus show we discuss ‘naming' and coming of age and the idea of ‘the feral self'. I also manage to go down a rabbit hole around my confusion with billionaire's obsession with Super Yachts. I'm not even sure how my brain got there... Show Notes: http://www.aidanwachter.com https://twitter.com/silfrsmith Support the show: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/spiritbox TWITTER - https://twitter.com/spiritbox3 SUPPORT - https://www.patreon.com/spiritbox PODCAST - https://anchor.fm/spirit-box Music by Obliqka --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/spirit-box/message

The Real Witches of the End Times
57. Experiencing Otherness with Aidan Wachter

The Real Witches of the End Times

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 9, 2021 111:07


Dirt sorcerer, author, and artist: Aidan Wachter is our guest this week! We talk visual abilities and spiritual sight, experiencing a shadow takeover, messages from the hypnogogic state, cultivating relationship with our Other Selves, food and spirit work, familiars, running into non-humans, and share a greater discussion on personal practice. Find Aidan: www.aidanwachter.com www.facebook.com/groups/817003871775078 Find Mana: www.mothmana.com instagram.com/mothmanatarot twitter.com/ManaAelin Support the podcast and join the hordes in my underworldian city on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mothmana. Intro Song is "1985 Night Rider" by Tiny Music Outro Song is "Starfighter" by Eldorado

Witches & Wine Audio Experience
The Foundations of Magic- Building the Bones- Interview with Aidan Wachter

Witches & Wine Audio Experience

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 8, 2021 55:52


Foundations of Magic Topics discussed: Ramsey Duke- The Little Book of Demons: The Positive Advantages of the Personification. Causal chains in Magick. Cauldron and cord work. Get in touch with Chaweon: https://www.instagram.com/hichaweon/ https://www.tiktok.com/@hichaweon https://www.facebook.com/witchesandwine/ Hey babe, hear the full-length "Director's Cut" of interviews (and other bonus content). Support Witches & Wine on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/witchesandwine

The Primal Happiness Show
Real Magic: What it is and ow to begin practicing it - Aidan Wachter

The Primal Happiness Show

Play Episode Listen Later May 17, 2021 68:04


This week's show is with Aidan Wachter. Aidan Wachter has been involved in practical magic since the 1980s.  He is an animist and is deeply concerned with the effects of modern Western life-ways on the human animal, on both physical and spiritual levels. Aidan views a living magical practice as a path to heal many of the problems we face today and a way of being that is intrinsic to the creatures we are. He is the author of Six Ways: Approaches & Entries to Practical Magic and Weaving Fate: Hypersigils, Changing the Past & Telling True Lies. ​In this show we explored what magic is and how to begin your own magical practice. It's such a brilliant introduction to listeners who are new to real magic but also those who already have a practice will likely hear something fresh in this conversation because Aidan brings such a fresh approach. I'd love to know what YOU think about this week's show. Let's carry on the conversation… please leave a comment below. What you'll learn from this episode: I love Aidan's view that magic is the relationship we have with the field (manifest and unmanifest reality) Don't feel you have to adopt a whole magical tradition lock, stock and barrel... see what magic means to you and what you're drawn to Start with a few simple practices and then adjust and play with different intentions Start with a simple offering ritual: offer food, water, incense to your allies, speak out your intention, after you've created a relationship - ask for their help and see what happens. Resources and stuff that we spoke about: www.aidanwachter.com Six Ways Podcast Thank you for listening! There's fresh episode each week, if you subscribe then you'll get each new episode delivered to your phone every Tuesday (that way you'll never miss an episode): Subscribe on Apple Podcasts/iTunes Subscribe on Android Thank you! Lian & Jonathan

Witches & Wine Audio Experience
How to Change Your Past Trauma with Magick | Interview with Aidan Wachter about "Weaving Fate"

Witches & Wine Audio Experience

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 22, 2021 60:55


Aidan Wachter's newest book is about how to rewrite the past and to write your ideal future, via some very practical magical techniques. In this episode we cover techniques from the book like: - The Black Book - The corridor (recording over the tapes) Get in touch with Chaweon: https://www.instagram.com/hichaweon/ https://www.tiktok.com/@hichaweon https://www.facebook.com/witchesandwine/ Hey babe, hear the full-length "Director's Cut" of interviews (and other bonus content). Support Witches & Wine on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/witchesandwine

The Esoteric Negro
"It Depends What You're Looking For..." with Aiden Wachter

The Esoteric Negro

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 7, 2021 64:32


Thank you for joining us this week for a new episode of The Esoteric Negro. We've been taking a break getting ready for the next chapter of the show that we are excited to share soon! Today our guest author and eclectic practitioner Aidan Wachter. Wachter is well known in magical, pagan and occult circles as a highly respected talismanic jeweler. Wachter carries an deep wealth of experience having worked with various streams of witchcraft, chaos magic, ceremonial magic, folk magic, and freestyle sorcery. He is an animist, and his work is spirit-driven and results oriented. He counts among his spiritual forebears Austin Osman Spare, Rosaleen Norton, Dorji Banzarov, and Jan Fries. He lives in the mountains of New Mexico with his wife, cat, several dogs, goats, and a mixed flock of chickens and Muscovy ducks. We hope you enjoy this episode as much as we had learning and listening to Aidan. Much love and thanks for your continued support! Follow Aidan Visit aidenwachter.com Follow The Esoteric Negro Visit theesotericnegro.com Support The Esoteric Negro --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/theesotericnegro/support

The Primal Happiness Show
How to reclaim the power of the wild and magic that's your birthright - Aidan Wachter

The Primal Happiness Show

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 8, 2021 60:46


This week's show is with Aidan Wachter. Aidan has been involved in practical magic since the 1980s.  He is an animist and is deeply concerned with the effects of modern Western life-ways on the human animal, on both physical and spiritual levels. Aidan views a living magical practice as a path to heal many of the problems we face today and a way of being that is intrinsic to the creatures we are. He is the author of Six Ways: Approaches & Entries to Practical Magic and Weaving Fate: Hypersigils, Changing the Past & Telling True Lies. ​In this show we explored the intersection of rewilding and magic - or how they're actually two sides of the same coin, or "one stone" as Aidan says. Given the power of both rewilding and magic, bringing the understanding of them together in this way is such an important and helpful conversation for anyone who wants to reclaim their power. I absolutely loved it - I hope you do to. I'd love to know what YOU think about this week's show. Let's carry on the conversation… please leave a comment below. What you'll learn from this episode: Indigenous - ie wild - cultures across the world and throughout history evolved with magic being part of the worldview and way of relating to themselves and everything around them. Aidan actually says that he sees magic as the defining root of human culture. Typically modern magic hasn't included an understanding of the importance of rewilding - therefore unless someone has already been on the rewilding path, any magical practice will be  happening over the top of domesticated ways of thinking and being. If we were raised in wild ways we would have been guided to live in a way that was in alignment with our deepest self (which we could describe as the soul or True Will) but those of us who were raised in this modern culture will need to rewild to release the dreams, visions, ideas and fears that aren't native to us For those of us who are already on the rewilding path, the understanding and practice of magic provides us with the power to create positive change in the world that is in alignment with our deepest self

Quarantine Sessions with Jake Kobrin
#50 - Aidan Wachter - Dirt Sorcerery and “Telling True Lies”

Quarantine Sessions with Jake Kobrin

Play Episode Play 57 sec Highlight Listen Later Feb 4, 2021 85:51


Our amazing guest this week is author, sorcerer, artist, and occultist Aidan Wachter! Aidan has published two remarkable books, Six Ways: Approaches & Entries for Practical Magic, and Weaving Fate: Hypersigils, Changing the Past, & Telling True Lies. Having read both, and loved both of them I was thrilled to have Aidan on the podcast. We talked about sorcery, chaos magic, animism, and “telling true lies.” See more about Aidan Wachter here: http://www.aidanwachter.com/

Creative
Aidan Wachter

Creative

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 6, 2021 88:49


Aidan Wachter Aidan was a talismanic jeweller (now retired) & author, living in the mountains of New Mexico. His approach is both informed and driven by my magical practice and spirit contacts.  Aidan works from the viewpoint that magic, sorcery, shamanry, witchcraft and related practices are the root of human spiritual culture. As Western societies grow more fundamentalist (particularly in the USA), in their expressions of both religion and materialism, there has been strong pressure to move away from the magical approaches which are,  he believes, the birth right of humans. His aim as author, sorcerer, and artist is to facilitate this communication between ourselves and these others. In this episode we discuss this and the way that art and magic are the same and the information that Aidan shares I believe is fundamentally import for artists and musicians. I have found his books, Six Ways and Weaving Fate inspiring. Find out more by visiting http://www.aidanwachter.com To support the podcast and get access to features about guitar playing and song writing visit https://www.patreon.com/vichyland and also news for all the creative music that we do at Bluescamp UK and France visit www.bluescampuk.co.uk

Lux Occult
Bonus: Winter Solstice Nonsense

Lux Occult

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 21, 2020 9:30


This is a special bonus track I put together as I meditated on the Solstice and the Planetary Conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter that, as I write this, is set to take place just a few hours from now! To be honest, I sort of made it for myself- to solidify my intentions going forward, but I hope others will find it enjoyable. This track features some ambient textures and beats, as well as some vocals of people celebrating different traditions and of me conducting bibliomancy, and reading nonsense and poetry. Even if it is after the solstice when you hear this track, I'm hoping to encapsulate a bit of the aspirational energy of this time. I hope you like it! For full notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQ8fU2awMPZqFGessDbxoZlevvQx5remy5AlLaVpJouaTIwfrREKRp7vhMrXmAu3DKeBpwklUtblKtb/pub P. S. The amazing support I've been getting from all of you awesome listeners has been incredible! I feel a huge amount of gratitude for all of it. Much Love!

Lux Occult
12. Dirt Sorcery, Hypersigils, and Claiming Your Power with Aidan Wachter

Lux Occult

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 4, 2020 108:48


Join Luxa as she interviews Aidan Wachter, magician, author, podcaster and talismanic jeweler about framing our approach to the practice of magick (and life, in general!). Aidan's books, Weaving Fate: Hypersigils, Changing the Past and Telling True Lies and Six Ways: Approaches and Entries for Practical Magic are both highly recommended! Plus, an update on The Green Mushroom project and even more nonsense, this time with an element of Tarot! Works Cited and Notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vR4EjmXsAY2ZFOmxGhyodBhS96qbL5Y0STnPv0yNncquTb6Sqce_SOj7P0NhW7-aXAIq9O3chdOr5AI/pub To support the show, please consider giving on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/luxoccult Thank you so much for listening to the Lux Occult Podcast! Please send your thoughts, questions, suggestions or arcane revelations to luxoccultpod@gmail.com or message on Instagram @luxoccultpod https://www.instagram.com/luxoccultpod/ Check out Luxa's ongoing sigil and art project, The Memetic Disease: https://www.instagram.com/the_memetic_disease/ And try the technique for yourself! https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vSLceg14KnJMbDNLOj0R_5851IPu5zt-s1FaCnEk1yB1_DkQs1lyK41Id2lrKAxI8DbyFC1Y_0f4Ivq/pub Here is a link to a slideshow about the Green Mushroom Project! https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/e/2PACX-1vRfpKtb77aI5yU1uCnkfvHC4mnCOvmmdvOhB-39XDTWXBk3m_2rWr_3Pa8ahspM4ywDTLZdSdITFCxX/pub?start=false&loop=false&delayms=3000 And follow The Green Mushroom project on Instagram @hyphosigil https://www.instagram.com/hyphosigil/ Check out the Church ov Nothing and ANQ (Pseudo-Qabalah): The Church Ov Nothing — ANQ Listen to Ad Hoc History, a podcast where Luxa and her brother, Asher, talk history and the personal motivations that might underlie it: https://open.spotify.com/show/0HLqy3W7LtnuMxRxl0ei0Q Also check out Faith Blind Council https://www.faithblindpodcast.com/ And Unearling Paranormalcy Podcast https://www.unpnormalcy.com/

Max Spence Business Podcast
Ep52 - 0 to 2.9 million on Tik Tok - Aidan Wachter

Max Spence Business Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 23, 2020 45:23


In this episode, I speak with Aidan one of Canada's top Tik Tokers We cover: - Starting on the app - Putting out consistent and good quilty content - How he gained his followers - Doing all this while still having a full-time job - Advice for someone wanting to put out content on Tik Tok - Future plans Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@chezaidan?lang=en Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/chezaidan/?hl=en

Glitch Bottle Podcast
#077 - Weaving Fate with Aidan Wachter | Glitch Bottle

Glitch Bottle Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 30, 2020 201:06


Sometimes we get so obsessed with the “fruits” of magic (i.e. material results) that we avoid working on the vital “roots” of our very consciousness. What are the esoteric tools and practices that can help us destroy time, heal the past, consecrate our present and live the future we want? Aidan Wachter (author, talismanic jeweler and dirt sorcerer) shares about all of these topics in his new book “Weaving Fate”, he answers your Glitch Bottle Patron questions and more!►Get your copy of “Weaving Fate” - http://www.aidanwachter.com/weaving-fate►Check out Aidan’s Podcast http://www.aidanwachter.com/six-ways-podcast

Glitch Bottle Podcast
#077 - Weaving Fate with Aidan Wachter | Glitch Bottle

Glitch Bottle Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 30, 2020 201:06


Sometimes we get so obsessed with the “fruits” of magic (i.e. material results) that we avoid working on the vital “roots” of our very consciousness. What are the esoteric tools and practices that can help us destroy time, heal the past, consecrate our present and live the future we want? Aidan Wachter (author, talismanic jeweler and dirt sorcerer) shares about all of these topics in his new book “Weaving Fate”, he answers your Glitch Bottle Patron questions and more!►Get your copy of “Weaving Fate” - http://www.aidanwachter.com/weaving-fate►Check out Aidan’s Podcast http://www.aidanwachter.com/six-ways-podcast

Inciting A Riot
Episode 152: Inciting A Weaving Fate Riot

Inciting A Riot

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 22, 2020 91:25


Episode 152 welcomes back author, artist, and all-around great guy Aidan Wachter as we celebrate the release of his second book Weaving Fate: Hypersigils, Changing the Past, & Telling True Lies. Aidan's independently published books have made him a well-respected, best-selling Pagan author without going through the traditional "Big 2" publishing route. We spend some time not only talking about the content of his book but about the nature of Pagan publishing and how scholarship will change in the coming years.    Find out more about Aidan, his books, and his new podcast here. Patreon supporters heard this show first! Consider giving a small donation to Patreon.com/IncitingProjects! You’ll get cool rewards like unedited video and audio podcasts from Inciting A Riot and Inciting A BrewHaHa, as well as bonus extras not published anywhere else, plus deals and coupons! Patrons are charged on a per-creation basis, so you only pay for the content you want!    Love and Lyte,   Fire Lyte   Blog: IncitingARiot.com FireLyte@IncitingARiot.com @IncitingARiot on Twitter / Instagram Facebook.com/IncitingARiotPodcast Subscribe/Rate/Comment on iTunes: http://bit.ly/iTunesRiot Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4qTYYhCLMdFc4PhQmSL1Yh

The Hermit's Lamp Podcast - A place for witches, hermits, mystics, healers, and seekers

Andrew, Fabeku, and Aidan (aka Stacking Skulls) get together to talk about living during this ongoing pandemic. They talk about astrology, racism, colonialism, magic, getting by, and so much more.  Think about how much you've enjoyed the podcast and how many episodes you listened to, and consider if it is time to support the Patreon You can do so here. If you want more of this in your life you can subscribe by RSS , iTunes, Stitcher, or email. Aidan is here.  Fabeku is here.  Andrew is here. Thanks for joining the conversation. Please share the podcast to help us grow and change the world.  Andrew You can book time with Andrew through his site here.  Transcript is below.  Andrew: Hey, folks. Welcome to another episode of The Hermit's Lamp Podcast. At the time of this recording, it is, basically, the end of August, and been on a hiatus since the earth of spring from podcasting. Just too busy with dealing with all of the chaos of COVID and all of that chaos and everything else. But, I was thinking that the last episode that I did with Stacking Skulls was called WTF, and I think that the title for this one is probably WTF Still? Because, here we are so many months out from what's going on, and yet still life is chaotic and uncertain, and, really, especially for folks in America, way worse in some ways than it was back then. I don't think that we are still cruising around the idea that it might be, "Yeah, three weeks of lockdown, maybe a little bit longer," and now we're in the phase of, "Is there an end? When's the end? How does an end of this come together?" And, all that wear and tear that's kicked around. So, anyways, if you don't know Stacking Skulls, well, number one, you're in for a treat. There's a whole bunch of episodes of us clowning around together. But, I'm here with Fabeku and Aidan, and we're just going to check in as my fall relaunch of the podcast happens. So, yeah, who wants to go first, what's going on? How's the last five months been?  Aidan: The last five months have been ridiculous. Andrew: Yeah.  Aidan: It's been crazy busy, partially. We were pointed at doing... When I say we in this context, that's me and my wife... doing another class but with COVID and everybody being sent home, we realized that that didn't make any sense to try and put anything out that was a larger money thing. Because, it seemed like it was quite possible we weren't going to have much money and we didn't really feel great about trying to get 300 bucks or something out of people at that moment in time, because, really, we couldn't tell how things were going. So, we changed gears back to my second book, and so I've been rapidly finishing that and then learning InDesign to put it all together and get it printed. So, that's launched as an e-book now and in 10 days, 9 days, something like that, the print books start landing on people's doorsteps. Andrew: Nice. Aidan: It's overall just been weird. We're in one of the states that are... our governor has always taken this thing really seriously. So, we didn't get hit nearly as hard as most other places with the exception of some places on the reservation got hit really bad. So, we've been in lockdown way before a lot of places that didn't get hit as hard have been. We're now at the place that it's masks if you are outside of your home, period. So, I haven't really been on the bike for a while, because it is not fun to go riding around on that. We're super supportive of it. Because, it's just not being one of the people that is necessarily at as much risk as other people are, though... obviously, everybody can get it and can get messed up by it. You certainly don't want to be involved in spreading the shit.  Andrew: For sure.  Aidan: So, it's been crazy on that sense, but at the same time, we're homebodies anyway, and it's us at home with the animals. So, we've shifted a few things, but they've not been great. Not been huge for us. Then yeah, just doing book promo stuff and then launched the first episode of my podcast. But other than that, it's just been working on the book, working on getting the book out there, working on understanding InDesign. Andrew: It's not at all a small task to do a thing like that, right? Aidan: Yeah, it's interesting. I'm glad I know how to do it because it sets me up to do more. So, I'll be doing the e-book of Six Ways next and then I've already got part of the third book going. So, it's nice because it allows me to take the reins for that whole project now, but it is a lot of work. Keeping busy with that. Chickens, lots of chickens.  Andrew: Yum, yum. I mean, wonderful. Aidan: I don't eat them but I yum yum for their eggs. Andrew: How about you Fabeku? Fabeku: Yes, same. It's been crazy, like everybody. I think the last time I left the house was end of February, maybe first couple days of March. Have not been out of the house since then. Like Aidan, I don't go out of the house much anyway. But, this many months has been a strange thing. Yeah, I've been busy with a ton of stuff too. I just finished a book with some writing and art and some shit like that, that's going to be published by Revelore in October. [inaudible], so that's a cool thing. It was weird for a while. The first few months, I had a hell of a time doing art. I could do some stuff for clients or collectors or whatever but my own stuff is just, "What the fuck am I doing?" It was awhile that I didn't do any art which is weird for me. So, finally, back at that which is good. I feel like that was sanity preserving kind of things. Yeah, excited about the book, excited about the couple of books after that, that I'm finally back in motion after stalling out for a while and just busy with a ton of people stuff and trying to help people manage this fuckery that is 2020 at this point. Yeah, it's been a pretty high bandwidth task moment. Yeah, I don't know. It's a strange time in so many ways. In so many ways. Andrew: Yeah, I feel like this hit, probably around the time we were doing the last episode, things were slow-ish for me, and I was just trying to figure out what was going on and all that kind of stuff. Then, just things got super busy between the store and client work and suddenly having two kids that I'm solo parenting half the time. Not in school, all that kind of stuff. All of a sudden, it's just, wow, I'm just working as a parent or working as my regular job continuously and all the time. That was just an intense run all the way through until, really, maybe two weeks ago or three weeks ago, when I... here in Toronto, things went pretty good. We had a lot of stuff going on, but we're down to maybe 20 new cases a day, maybe less. We've had some single digits and restaurants are open and a lot of stuff. Gyms are open, with social distancing, of course, but it hasn't brought about a big spike in anything.  So, cautiously optimistic about it. Have been, and then, of course, the next big question is, school starts next month, and it's, what's going to go on with that and so on. Right? So, it's just trying to have a wrangle all that stuff with COVID. Then, I think, the other big thing that... this happened in this time since we last talked, right, was George Floyd's death. Right?  Aidan: Absolutely.  Andrew: The resurgence of what, really, should be a continuous thing of, how do we fix these racial divides and inequities and all this stuff. It's definitely a thing that's taken up a chunk of my attention as well in terms of trying to stay attentive to it, right. To not just drift back into day-to-day life, and whatever. Because, that's been the history of it, right? It erupts into the media and into our consciousness because there's some horrible thing that happens. Then, from a broader perspective, it dissipates, right? It doesn't build momentum. So, yeah, I would say I'm hopeful that it's going to change at this point. I have no idea, right. But, I think that there, definitely, felt like there's a different quality to what's been going on around that stuff, that I have some hope that it will make bigger changes. Yeah. Aidan: Yeah, that's been a huge thing too, obviously. And, it's interesting because it's even where you get stuff that's... I have folks in my family that still don't perceive what the issue is, you know? Which is weird to me on a personal level because I have, in my immediate, immediate-immediate family, people of color. So, you don't even want to take their word for what they're experiencing, even though they are technically your family, right? You're so set in your belief structure here that you can't see that or can't see the difference or the shifts between it. There's folks in my family that, again, have children that are children of color, that still don't see it. It's, really? How are you that unaware? How do you maintain that? That's what, I guess, I don't understand. I've never been able to maintain that. I didn't start with it, I think, and that's why. But, it's been good to see the attention. So, the reasons behind why it needs to be there are horrible, but yeah, I don't know.  Then, for us in the US, to me, there's like an almost psychotic nature to the United States right now. Where the whole discourse is so stratified and so divisive and so peculiar in where people can and will go. It's really, you don't see that in yourself or you don't see that in the people that you're supporting? How do you pull that off? I just don't get it. Fabeku: Its been interesting for me, my mother is in her 80s and grew up in a little teeny tiny, literally, a shack in the hills of Kentucky. After George Floyd was killed, every single time I've talked to her, that's almost all she's talked about, and how she realizes, at this stage of the game, that she's spent 80 something years oblivious to this shit, and not paying attention and not listening to people, and having the privilege to not pay attention to it because it didn't affect her. And, she's trying to have conversations with her sisters and her brothers, almost all of whom are completely oblivious to it and entirely entrenched in, what's the big fucking deal, kind of thing. I It's interesting to me, the way it's shaken things, loosened her in a way that I've never seen before, right? It's not that we didn't have conversations about it before but, I don't know, I don't think she got it. As opposed to her sisters and brothers, will actively push against it. It was never that so much, it was just, well, yeah, that's really bad. But now, I mean, we have hours and hours of conversations of just, how the fuck have I not paid attention to this? How the fuck if I lived my entire life not understanding how, and completely, fucked things are for people that aren't white in this country? It's been an interesting thing to see. I think she's hopeful that her sisters and brothers will wake up and get it. I don't think they will. They're about as deeply entrenched in that kind of bullshit as it gets. But, yeah, it's been interesting to listen to my mother, of all people, have long conversations about this. When John Lewis passed, she was talking about, how did I never really pay attention to who this man was? How did I not know his life and his legacy and his history? Yeah, it's been an interesting come to Jesus moment, in some ways for her. Andrew: Mm-hmm (affirmative). It's funny, when I started this podcast many years ago, the first thing I did was a series of interviews on why some people change and why some people don't, right. I talked to people [inaudible] they're right there, the early episodes still existent. Should be on iTunes, and whatever I talk to. That time I was mostly tarot focused so I've talked to a bunch of tarot readers about it. It's, nobody's got an answer for that, right. I think that it's such a significant question now, right. Can we understand how to make change in society? I think that we're seeing a lot of stuff around that, that the answer is, maybe it doesn't. Maybe it can't be polite, maybe it can't be quiet, maybe it can't be whatever, right? Because, I see the things that make change, and the quiet, polite route is predominantly a route of quiet and polite with money and power behind it, right? You know? Aidan: Oh, yeah. You get to be very quiet and polite if you have lots of privilege. Andrew: Right? But also, thinking about the people who follow Stalking Skulls. They're our groupies, right? They are those people who are part of our magical communities, right? I think that it's such a... number one, if we want to work magic, we have to try our best to see the world as it is, right? That means, from my point of view, seeing racism and sexism, and all the different things that are going on, right, and engaging with that, right. I think that it's not that you can't do magic without being aware of lots of things, but I think that the more aware we are, the more it gives us capacity to see and make change both in ourselves, and depending on what's going on in the world too, or see where change might be able to happen.  Aidan: Yeah, I think that it's very interesting on the magic side, because I agree with you totally. The more aware you are of how things are unfolding or how things can unfold or how things... for me, my own tendencies to, where will I not consider change? Because, there are places that I really don't want to do that, like quitting coffee, which I did. Andrew: What? Aidan: Because, my wife finally said, I don't think this is working well for you, even though you've been doing it for 40-something years so you should drop all of the caffeine. I, totally, entrenched for several hours and then went, Okay, I know that this is not good. I said, I need some space to go and think about this, and went, okay, let's examine myself and go, oh, yeah, this is typical junkie behavior. It's the same as any other addiction I've dealt with, so I'm not really down with that. So, something's got to change. But, if I didn't have the ability to go, okay, I'm being given information of everyone outside of me that I don't like. I've been given a suggestion that I don't like.  Yes, this is an entirely personal and minor one, but if I can't actually go, okay, this is also from somebody that I believe is serious and has intelligence. So maybe, I should take some time and figure out why I don't want to hear it, let alone consider it. It's an interesting thing. I think that's critical in magic. I think it's critical in life, but we can get away with it without doing it. It's just not necessarily the best way, I don't think. Andrew: Yeah, I don't even know what else to say about this. I'm just, "Fuck!" I think that's part of what's tough about the racial issue. It's like, "Man." I think that there are plenty of places to go look up what you could do, right? You know I mean? Fabeku: Absolutely.  Andrew: It's not that I [crosstalk] specific things or I'm not taking actions around it, right. But, I think that this moment where the scope of COVID, the scope of these issues is so big, so daunting, right? Yeah, it's [inaudible] this space where it's [inaudible], so big so much. It's, yeah, staring at that abyss, right, and know that it's staring back at you and then start walking into it, right. But, nonetheless, it's interesting. It's interesting times, for sure.  Fabeku: Yeah. I think, for me, a lot of the magic, personally, has been aimed at either expanding or maintaining that capacity, right? Because, I think that one of the things that's easy to do when we're looking at something daunting, whether it's the racial issues or the virus stuff or personal, whatever it is, you just shut down, numb out, turn off. Obviously, I think, for the people that have the privilege to be able to do that, that's the thing a lot of people do. The reality is, there's a ton of people that never have that option, right? Because, they're so fucked, they just can't say, "Well, this is too big. I'm going to watch Netflix for a few hours and not give a fuck."  I think that I've really been looking at that capacity thing. How do you expand the capacity enough to keep your eye on the abyss? To keep walking forward, to not tune out. To not say, well, somebody else will handle it, because, listen, we've done that shift for too long, and, obviously, it's failed in every possible fucking way. Yeah. Yeah, capacity seems to be a big thing right now.  Andrew: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yeah, I think it's huge, right. I think that it's a piece that I learned mostly from you, right, actually. I had some very clumsy ideas around it, and your work clarified it. It gave me a real focus. It's, yeah, that's what I've been trying to get at, but I couldn't quite see it, right? I think that working to increase capacity, in whatever way you want to work on it, magically and otherwise, I think is crucial, right? I mean, in my parenting, there are definitely times when it's, all right, somebody, somewhere give me some more capacity right now because I am overwhelmed by this business. I think that working to call that in and expand that and stretch that and so on is super, super important, right? Aidan: It's interesting. I think, three days ago, we hit a place, my wife and I, where we went, Okay, we're not actually doing things the way that we know work well for us. So, how do we get that space back? Because, we lived in a cabin with no power or anything for a couple years, and we were really looking at that time, and going, there's a way that we were very well in that space. Anyway, as a result of this... this ties into your capacity thing for BQ, we decided that once we're both awake in the morning and ready to go, we turn on our cell phones, and we turn on the wifi, and we do, maybe, an hour of stuff that needs to happen through those tools. Then, we turn them all the way off, we turn off the wifi, we unplug the router, we turn off our cell phones all the way. We might have some stuff stored on our computer that we downloaded that we need to work on or whatever, but that's it for being connected.  Then, usually, we'll do that again in the afternoon and try and be done with that by about six. This is sharing not... primarily, because it's been incredible for us for just these last few days. So, it's not as much as suggestion as something to think about if people are super overwhelmed, because the 24-hour cycle has become just crushing in a way right now. But, we had a weird day. The first day was really weird. Like, okay, well, what do you do if we're not streaming Netflix for the last three hours of the day? Well, then I'm playing guitar for the last three hours of the day. One of these things is good for me, one of these things is at best neutral, right. The same thing during the day, that the amount of time that we're actually spending talking and working on our plans and thinking about how we do stuff together, is huge. It's probably an 80% increase in the last few days. Instead of the magical overt side of building capacity, which, I'm with you, I learned from Fabeku.  But, there's also the really base level of just going, can you step out of all of the noise and then check in to get what you need. It causes you to weed your sources out, figure out what do you need to see, what do you need to know, and if your time is limited to that and you're not going in and out of it all day, at least, for us, it's been an immense change that I don't see going back to that at all. It's, no, two hours of fucking net and cell phone access is more than planning for us. Everybody's going to be in a different situation. Fabeku: Yeah, this summer, my partner and I have been doing more leisure, and more, just, super-leisure. I've been lucky to be able to take a bit of time off and so on. So, we went to this place and it's a spa place and spent the second day there, literally, just either in the pool, on a lounger beside the pool or eating, having lunch or whatever. Yeah, no phone, no mess, no whatever. I didn't look at my phone, I think I looked at once through the, almost, two days that I was away. What actually needed to be responded to during that time? Not very much, right? I've been working on trying to institute more of this space, right? And, noticing, I like my movies and my TV, but also, I've been reminding myself that if I'm looking at my phone while I'm watching TV, something is wrong, right, for me?  People do whatever makes you happy, right? But its, either the show's not interesting enough, or I'm not looking at something that I need to address or, whatever, in order to be present with the thing that I'm doing. I think that if something's not engrossing me enough that it's holding my attention, well, then what's going on with that, right? I think about, I've been doing a lot of rock climbing again, and when I go by myself and do boulder, I will, sometimes, keep my phone around and read things on my phone while I'm resting in between climbs because I'm just sitting there by myself. But, last night, I went with my friend who I go with every week, and I left my phone in my locker, which is not a thing I would have done, at some point. I would have brought it with me, I would have checked in every now and then and whatever. But, it's, what am I doing, I've got a person to talk to, I've got an activity that I'm engrossed in. Yeah.  Aidan: Yeah, it's an interesting thing. Yeah, I had a place, I guess, it was about a month and a half ago which is interesting because, again, my life isn't that different, pandemic-wise than it is usually. But, I hit a place where I really couldn't get into any of the movies, any of the TV shows, anything. Even stuff that I like, wasn't happening. That moved me in that direction, and I shifted back towards reading more. Then, one of the weirdest things that we've had and I'm sure that there's lots of people that have studied things like EMF and all of that is, we live in a really quiet house because we're on a couple acres in a really quiet town. But, at the point that the phones are actually turned off and the computers are off and the wifi is off, it feels so quiet. In a way that even if the router is still on, it doesn't. Which makes sense, we know that these things are radiating stuff.  But yeah, it's a crazy difference to go, "That's noticeable. That is really different", and then balancing that out from, we're all old enough to have not had these things. So you go, "How interesting is that? This is really the first big chunk of my life, probably, felt like this, and what did I do? I played music, I read books, I talked to the people who around me, I engaged in a very different way." It's not to say I want to throw all that stuff away, but, definitely, it's opened my eyes to finding its place, rather than just letting it find its place in my life, I want to be the one that decides what its place is. Andrew: Yeah, I think it's a really good way to put it, right? Aidan: Mm-hmm (affirmative)- Andrew: So, now we all need to do a group working to break the internet's hold on us. It's an exorcism of sorts. Aidan: I don't if we're the ones who need it from what I see. Andrew: Wow. Did you do any magic around quitting coffee or did you just stop?  Aidan: No, my wife is our house apothecarist and herbalist so she treated it as a situation that could be dealt with herbs and using them in a homeopathic way. Not really using homeopathic medicines, but using some tinctures that she'd made. So, she's having me check-in with her every couple hours, "Tell me what's going on? How's your head? How's your... How's this, how's that?" Because, my tonsils were going off a little bit. I definitely detoxed like a crazy person for the first five days. That's always one of those signs. I had that same experience when we quit... when we went paleo, and we dropped all processed foods and all the grains and stuff. This is the total TMI, but you can absolutely tell how foul you are inside by how foul your poop is when you quit eating it. Your body goes, "Oh, you're not going to put more in, okay, well have this because we don't want it anymore."  Andrew: Get rid of all of it.  Aidan: Get rid of all of it, because oh, that's nasty. So, I think that now that my liver and all of that have had some time to back off away from the caffeine, things feel good, but I didn't have to do magic on this one.  Andrew: Mm-hmm (affirmative). [inaudible], Fabeku, is giving up coffee in your future? Fabeku: You know, actually, yeah, I haven't had any caffeine since early May, I think?  Andrew: Wow.  Fabeku: Yeah, for me, I reached a point to, between some body stuff and just the chaos and the anxiety of the moment, I'm, "What fuck am I doing? What the fuck am I doing?" Because, I really think up until then, I was drinking either coffee or yerba mate, then I'd throw in some caffeine pills. I'm, "What the fuck am I doing? This makes no sense."  Andrew: What are you, 16? Fabeku: Exactly. Acting like [inaudible] 7-Eleven to get [manodos] or whatever the fuck those things were. It was absurd. I think, for me... and this is what Aidan was talking about, about not doing things in a way that works. It was like, listen, if I'm structuring my life in a way that this makes sense, then something's wrong because this doesn't make any sense at all. If you're recreationally enjoying coffee, one thing. Chugging caffeine all day and then throwing a fistful of caffeine pills on top of it, it's, listen, something is sideways. So, yeah, for me, it's been, yeah, late April, early March, or early May, since I've had any caffeine at all. Aidan: Oh, very good.  Fabeku: Yeah. Aidan: So, I could blame you, it was you, reaching out through the ethers, right? Fabeku: I want decaffeinated company.  Andrew: Oh, boy. No, I feel so embarrassed about my coffee cup [inaudible]. Fabeku: [inaudible] on.  Andrew: I actually know that it's not great for me. Well, it's part of a bad cycle for me, right? For me, coffee and being too busy, just go hand in hand, right? When I stop being too busy, then I stop hitting the coffee. It's just it rolls back. I remember when I moved into the last location where the fire was, I had quit coffee, I quit sugar, and I was just eating food, right? Making my own food most of the time, and I felt great. Then, I spent a month building a new shop. So, getting up as early as I could, doing construction, going to my old space, seeing clients, going to the new space, working until I felt like I might be a danger to myself, stopping, and I was just doing that. I did that every day for a month, right?  Somewhere in there, one of the people who was helping was, "I've got to take a coffee break and go to Tim Hortons and get something." I was, "Yes, give me coffee." Right? Then, probably, a few days later it was, "Yeah, get me a donut, too." And, that it was that was it, right, because it was just an unreasonable time. Then, been sort of, on and off wrestling with it ever since, right? I think that this time actually... again, going into COVID, I was maybe drinking more coffee when I get up kind of thing, right? But now, I'm having three again and I'm, ah, it's not ideal, but also, this is hangover of the massive pace that I've been running on, and trying to... my life is slower, but I have that velocitization like I've been on the highway, right, where I feel like I've go faster than I do. So, I'm sure everybody's loving it right now, conversation about our caffeine habits.  All right, it's official, Stacking Skills is anti-coffee. Stop it, it's bad for you. Just kidding, do what you want. There's a show called Beastmaster. You guys know that show? It's a super obstacle course kind of thing, right? If you like watching people with ridiculous physical capacities, to ridiculous challenges and climbing over things and swing from stuff, go check it. But, either way, it doesn't matter so much. But, I was noticing that all the people who were on it were working on themselves to get better, physically, and working on themselves as a person and working whatever. You see a lot of that in a lot of places, right. Certainly, if you're on the socials, you'll see that stuff a lot, right. I was, "Maybe, I'm done working to evolve. Maybe this idea of self-improvement is one that I should just jettison." What happens if I don't try and self-improve, but instead, just live and navigate? Right?  Does that mean that I'm going to stop learning new things? Of course, it doesn't, right? Does it mean that I'm going to stop making changes in my life? No. But, if there's this narrative of improvement, or evolution or whatever around these kind of things, I feel like there's a real pitfall in that. I don't buy into too much, but a little every now and then I do. I'm, "It's okay to be done with that. Just be like, this is just my life. I'm just navigating my life now". Is it going to change? Yeah. Is it going to change radically over the next 10 years? Maybe. But, does it have to do with evolution or, that kind of stuff? The perpetual cycle of self-improvement and so on. I don't know that I want anything to do with that, in the way that I see it anyway. Aidan: I go off about this somewhere, recently, I think. It's probably in Weaving Fate, I don't know. Which is about the whole thing about optimal now, right? I think this is totally tied in there. It's optimal nutrition, optimal training, optimal study habits, optimal work habits. I think it doesn't serve anything. It's, well, that's great if you're already... if you're already on Beastmaster and you're trying to win, then yes, you need to be worried about optimization. But, if you're climbing rocks or lifting weights, because you enjoy it, or you think it makes you healthier, then optimization is probably not actually all that relevant to you. It's another marketed obsession.  Andrew: But I feel like I see it in magic, too, right? Aidan: Mm-hmm (affirmative)- Andrew: A little while back, I posted something being, "Hey, everybody, don't forget, astrology is completely optional, right? You actually don't need to do anything with astrology to do magic." This isn't a criticism of this direction, right. But, the swing into grimoire magic and the resurgence of astrology as a prominent influence in spiritual and occult communities over the last five years, or whatever it's been. It's always been there, but it's really been ramping up, right, to be a thing that you see on the internet all the time. I think that there's this notion towards optimal and less around magic too, right. Well, I better make sure that this is the most astrologically auspicious moment that I have summoned the angels and the four governors, and the four kings and the [inaudible], and on and on and on, towards stuff.  I think that there's a direct or indirect pressure from things moving in that direction that I think doesn't need to be a part of any of it, right. It's all really deeply optional. Yet, isn't presented as optional, right. There's a drive behind it. Because, one of the things that was really interesting in the comments on that post, right, was people... it's the internet, people want to share their opinions and stuff, which is great, and people jumping in and being, "Well, you're being influenced whether you know it or not. Whether, you're whatever." I'm, "But, are we? Are we really?" I don't know about that. I'm not sure that I believe that big, grand narrative behind all these different things, is universal. You know what I mean? Yeah. I've talked- Aidan: Yeah, I'm with you on that. It's an interesting one. Lonnie and I were talking about this a little bit. My take has been since I got what I thought was... I started getting respectable results from my magic, was to go really hard on those things. The things that are working, I want to get really good with. I think the term I used... it made Lonnie laugh because I said, "If sigils are your jam, be a savage sigil magician, right, and see if you need anything else. Because you may not." I think this is where I totally agree with that is, there's an amassing of classically, historically relevant information that is fabulous, if that's what you're into. But, there's some dude out in the bush somewhere in some country who is whatever, he's got the skull of some rodent, and a little fire made of twigs, and you don't want to fuck with that guy. He's never heard of any of this shit you're talking about?  It is totally my take. I also think that if we look at it historically, that's the history of magic, except for the last equivalent of 10 minutes. So, people want to go, "Well, this is the thing." Yeah, for the last few hundred years, and that's a blip. That's, of course, my take. Take whatever you want.  Fabeku: I was talking to somebody. I made some planetary magic talismans and turned out remarkably potent and effective. They were saying, "Oh, but, when you made them, this planet was doing this thing in the sky. So, the talismans should have been fucked. How did you make them and they worked?" I said, "Because, I don't give a fuck what the planets are doing in the sky. It doesn't matter." So, this idea that it's always an influence whether you know it or not, I'm with you, I don't know that that's true. At least, I don't know that it's a prominent enough influence to matter.  I think a lot about currents, right? I think that for people immersed in a particular current, the effects or the shaping influence of that current is going to be stronger because you're immersed in it. I'm not saying there's no effect, but it seems to be less of a factor than somebody who is super centered in whatever current is, whether it's astrology or anything else, I think it's the same shit. I think there's this idea that you have to be immersed in a billion different currents and have your eye on them and line them all up in some kind of perfect Venn diagram of magic. That doesn't make any sense to me. One, I don't know if it's doable. Two, I don't know that it is actually necessary for most people. I think it's a weird thing.  Going back to the self-improvement stuff, a conversation I had with a client last week, they showed up with all of the shit that they wanted to sort out this magical strategy for. As they were talking, my body started to tighten up. There was just this feeling of grinding and grinding and grinding and it was, "I don't know how to do this, and what to do about this." I said, "Listen, we can circle back to this in a second but"... It was all like, doing more. More money, more this, more that, which is, again, fine, there's nothing wrong with it. I've done a shitload of magic for more stuff, it's fine. But I said, "Have you considered doing magic for more joy, for more flow, for more peace, for more ease, for more creativity?" There was this long silence, and then they started to cry because they never considered that. They came with this To-Do List of, "Okay, help me figure out how to do these 10 things to do more, to optimize, to improve.? I said, "Cool, do that. But, what if you also had more joy in your life, and that was the focus? Especially now as fucked as everything is."  I agree, I think that's this weird trap that we get into with the self-improvement stuff. It's just another version of grinding. It's just another version of never being enough. Never having enough, not pushing hard enough. Again, I think in this global moment of all moments, fuck. Let's look at some shit that's not that, let's look at some shit that is ease and peace and coherence and whatever the fuck it is. Because again, I'm going back to the capacity stuff, at some point, you can't expand capacity infinitely enough to just keep grinding on every possible fucking front. It's just not doable. Yeah, I think it's super easy to fall into that shit with magic and everything else. But yeah, it's a mess.  Andrew: So I want to circle back to something you said, and then come back to this as well because I want to talk about both. But, I think that, I [inaudible] this way. There was this big push to go back to, is there a singular truth, right? We can't deny that influence of Greek thought and other thought on our culture, right? You know what I mean? If we can go back to those philosophers and see the origin of stuff and see the origin of Western magic, going back to some of that stuff, in certain ways, right? That's cool and dandy and all, right. I think that if we look at the astrologies or other systems, I think that they're holistic models of everything, right, which is amazing. I think that having, and participating in, a holistic model of the universe, magically speaking, is a powerful thing to be engaged with. I think that the thing is that in Kumi, right, Orisha tradition, it's a holistic model of the universe that has no relationship to planets at all.  So, if both are describing something, and they're both describing it accurately within their holistic model, it doesn't mean that anything crosses over from those, and whatever that actual experience of the universe or... whatever's going on that we're engaging through one of these models, it's all accounted for in one way or another, right? Aidan: Mm-hmm (affirmative)- Andrew: And, it's not necessarily to say that we could equate, well, Egon said you were having this problem right now, ancestors say you're having this problem right now through divination, astrology says you're having this problem because of whatever, this hard planetary placement in your family situation or whatever, but those things aren't the same. Right? They don't have the same meaning. They don't have the same lived experience. They certainly have very different solutions and approaches, right. I think that this notion, which to some extent goes back to the Greeks and people who are smarter than me about philosophy might trace it further, that there's this true universal core that we can participate in through our intellectual perception.  Then, you compound that with, basically, the Victorian era magicians, Golden Dawn, Crowley. All those people who are like, everything is interwoven. Right? Everything is the same and symbolically resonant with each other at some level. I think it's an extension of colonialism and of that Victorian worldview to continue that process. Somebody sent me a list of [inaudible] and how they line up on the tree of life and they're, "What do you think? I'm, "I think this is colonial crap. I think it's not helpful. I think it's completely meaningless and disrespectful to this other completely coherent and self-reliant worldview."  It's not to say that there aren't philosophical things or similarities that we could talk about the crossover those things, but I think that the minute that we start to say that one is inherently true, or that those bridges are inherently true, I think that we start to get into very dicey waters, and probably we're wrong. Does that make sense?  Aidan: Yeah, totally. This came up recently in the Six Ways group, that somebody was saying that their background is in Western magical Kabbalah.  Andrew: Yeah.  Aidan: They were, "I'm having trouble mapping this kind of elements, middle world, world above, world below to that map." It's, because they're not talking about same thing. You can find somebody, I'm sure, who can give you something that says that this is, but if we look at it, the model that I'm using is rooted on, what would now be considered, very primitive people's viewpoints of the world. This was not folks who were trying to work out mathematics of language in the written word, this is a totally different thing. They were just looking at, what do we see and what do we interact with, and what is that thing?  It's not a map of something that you fit everything into? It's not a tool to categorize. It's, these are places you can interact with, or beings you can interact with that dwell in those places. In that sense, it's, yes, it's a metaphorical model, but it's not trying to be a universal model. It's, if you want to know what the underworld is, go there and learn that thing. You're not going to be able to map enough information on top of that lack of experience to make up for that experience, right?  It's, again, it's nothing against any of the systems, it's just realizing that they are not all the same. Like you said, with the Orisha tradition and the tree of life, they're not the same thing. They're not intended to do the same things. They're not experiential tellings of the same event, however you want to view it. I think it's a very interesting thing. I wanted to also tap into what Fabeku said because I'm also a total current guy. So, I'm going to do the work when I need to do the work, and when the allies are on board with it. That may be related to what's going on in the heavens, I don't know, but I'm certainly not going to start work based on what I think that is according to what somebody tells me is going on astrologically if the allies aren't going, "This is a good time to do that." But, if they'll say, hey, it's a go, and everybody else is, it's total shit city, it's, I don't care what you're seeing because my people say, it's a go and maybe we need to do this thing in total shit city. Again, what does that have to do with optimal. Sometimes it's shit city and you've still got to work. Fabeku: It's the title of your third book, Shit City.  Aidan: Shit City. No, at least the subtitle.  Fabeku: I totally get what you're talking about, Andrew, with the colonialism kind of thing, right? Because, I remember having a conversation with somebody, I was talking about was Oshun, the Orisha, and they were saying, "Oh, yeah, I totally get it because I've worked with Venus for however long. I'm, "What the fuck does that have to do with what I just said? I'm not talking about Venus, I'm talking about Oshun." They said, "It's the same thing." I said, "It's not the same fucking thing. It's not the same thing. They're entirely different." Are there places that, like you said, might crossover or ping a little bit? Sure, But, it's not the same thing. It's weird to me that we apply it with shit like this, but we don't say, well, this river is the same as that river or that ocean is the same as that creek, or a rose is the same as an orchid. It's not the fucking same.  Sure, they both have roots, they grow in soil, they're flowers, so they're similar in that way. But beyond that, it's not the same shit, right. I think, at best, it's sloppy thinking, at worst, it's all sorts of other shit, when we start pretending that this is that, is that, is that, and it's all different names for the same shit. I don't think that's true. I think it's it's lazy thinking, right, because it's convenient to say, Oh, well, no, I know Oshun because I know Venus, so I know Aphrodite. So, but that's not real. I think then when we do that, we miss the nuance, we miss the capacity to build a relationship that's coherent with whatever we're building a relationship with. Because, that would be like me saying, well, Andrew and Aidan are the same. No, you're not.  Andrew: [inaudible] start with A. [crosstalk]- Fabeku: Exactly, right.  Aidan: We wear glasses and we have tattoos. All the evidence is there. Fabeku: For sure. We don't do that in this way, but we do it with magic. I think it's a total failure of perception, and logic and relationship and understanding and nuance, and I'm just unconvinced that it works.  Andrew: Well, I think, as animism has resurfaced as a world model in certain pockets of the occult communities, I think that people are starting to understand that all of these plants are people, right. All of these stones and places, that they are their own things. I think that we haven't extended that to spirits, right? To say that, does Oshun have their own concrete specific existence, right? Sure. Beyond that, even, Fabeku's Oshun has its own concrete, specific, singular, individual manifestation that's different than my Oshun. Right? Not just because, maybe, our paths are different, or maybe this or that or who it came from, no, it's own distinct, separate living entity that is not the same as all the rest of them and there are relationships and, within religion, there are those, well, they're all Oshuns. But you know, Eleggua versus [inaudible] versus whatever, they're all different. The priests who have those Orisha's, each of those Oshuns has their own character, right, because they're their own people. Right.  I think it's a place where the magical community... I'm going to be curious to see if there is a point at which people stop doing this and start really holding that devotion to Kali or to whoever without any sense of crossover, and, so on. I think it'll be very interesting to see what comes of it, if anything. Fabeku: I think even beyond spirits... spirits in the usual sense, if we go to plants as people, you and I can talk about our experiences with rose or with sunflower or with gardenia or with mandrake. I'm willing to bet that your experience with rose is different than mine. Maybe they overlap in places, but there's nuances, there's differences, right? Just like two different people that know you are going to experience you in different ways. It's the same thing, which is where I think the common logic of, okay, well, what does rose do, what does rose quartz do, what is amethyst? I don't know, what the fuck does it do for you? I can talk about what it does for me and that might have nothing at all to do with your relationship with it. that might have nothing to do with whether that stone person or plant person will work magic with you, the type of magic that it works, how well you get on with that particular spirit.  That's the thing. I was just talking about this yesterday when I was teaching, there's a worldview problem, right, because we think that what does rose do, is a real question. It's not really a real question. But, we keep answering it, and so we're perpetuating the idea that it's a real question, but I don't think in practice it is.  Andrew: Yeah, I think it's true, plants, in the same way it's true of Orisha, within the traditional context, within traditional context of their religion, we don't say, "Oh, you've got a problem with work, who's the Orisha of work who's going to fix this thing for you, right?" We say, "You have a problem with work, will anybody come forward to fix this for you?" Maybe, it's an Orisha that we associate with work, like Ogun. Or maybe, Obatala is, "I've got you, brother, don't worry. You're covered. Give me this and we'll be good." The answer's to those are super nuanced by divination, by Odu, by story, by knowledge of Ebo, like, offerings, and so many things that are impossible from the outside. Those kinds of ways of working, only, can exist within the traditional context, I think.  In the same way, burdock is a really close friend of mine. Me and burdock, we're tight. And, the things that burdock and I have had conversations and done, have nothing to do with traditional associations, but it is also a source of power that can be applied in many directions, if the spirit of the plant is amenable, right? It's, yeah, maybe spearmint would be better at getting you some luck right now. It's a more traditional association, right? "But, you know what, I'm going to work a little extra hard, because it's not my area of expertise, but I'm still going to make it happen for you." Problem solved, right.  Fabeku: Well, I think the other super relevant point of what you said is that, not only is that the way to do it, but it's an individual thing. So, all three of us could have problems with work, all three of us could sit in Divine and get entirely different solutions to how to fix the work shit, even if the works shit looks the same. Right? So, one of the things that happens a lot when I'll do some divination in a private space of mine, when I post them, I get the question... It's not a criticism of anybody that asked the question, but I'll answer somebody's question... usually I'll include some magical stuff to do, and, inevitably, people will say, "Oh"... Well, let's say somebody's asking about a relationship thing and then we talk about whatever the solution is, inevitably, somebody will come along and say, "Oh, is this a thing that anybody can do for relationship stuff?" No, it's not. Listen, I don't know, maybe it works. Maybe it doesn't. But, this was a specific solution given to a specific person with a specific problem based on these cards that were pulled. It's not, here's the cure-all for everybody with a relationship problem. It's one conversation, one relationship in this moment.  Again, to me, that's the way that this shit really works. But, if we try to turn that into, oh, well, this thing will do the same shit for everybody having a relationship thing. I don't think that's real. I think if it does work, I think we've gotten lucky. But, I don't think that's an indicator that it's some universal solution. I get it- Andrew: [crosstalk], you can be the same solution for the same person down the road- Fabeku: Exactly- Andrew: On the same spot, right? Fabeku: Right. It is a very specific solution to that person, with this thing, with me, in this conversation, in this moment. Aidan: Absolutely. Yeah. That's, I think, the thing that I hit on a lot with people, and even with people with Six Ways that have got that, we'll be trying to figure out, "I'm now working on this, but I haven't got here yet, and I feel bad that I haven't got here yet." I'm, "Don't do that. Just find a way in. That's the whole idea here, is find a way into anything that works for you, and see where you can go with it." Because, that's where you get that depth. Then, you go, "Oh, yeah." I've got people saying I need to talk to the goats or I need to talk to some deity and or I need to get right with... to do some stuff to remediate some astrological influences, but maybe you can do all of the things that you need to do with your allies that you don't even know their names, that you just make offerings to and that's your only relationship, and all that you might have to do, is to go in and go, "This is hard, I need help with this or I would like to more capacity for joy in this because I feel really just fucked up by what's going on", right.  For everybody that I know that figures this piece out, they're really good magicians, with the work that they do works for them, and that doesn't have anything to do. Some of them know everything about everything, and some of them know nothing, essentially, from that other person's point of view. So, it is, it's about current, it's about relationship, it's about that reality of context. So, that, yeah, you and I could both be having trouble getting our point of view across to our partners, and it could have, on the surface, in the way we describe it, in the way we describe that it feels, it can all seem exactly the same, and it could be totally not the same.  I think this is going on constantly. It has to, right? But, magic tends to go, here's the formula to fix this. I've not really ever seen that to be true. It was, realizing, oh, if I'm just playing within the structure of, what Jason called zone rights... So this was, for me, LBR star ruby-based stuff, just as the shape of the operation, not using those words forever, but I figured out I could do all of the various operations that I read about in the magical books using these, even without learning all the different pentagrams. I wasn't doing that, I was doing incredibly basic versions of it. It's, no, I can connect to the powers and the quarters and the above and below and then put forward that I want help healing this or help this person out in their relationship, right, because I was building relationship with my allies and with that current.  So, yeah, great. So, Hermanubis is the one who does that. I don't know that guy, why would I go there? I've people saying, "Yeah, we got it." It's, I don't know if they are the ones who do that. They say they are and I have faith in them, so I'll go that route.  Fabeku: Yeah, maybe it's time for faith to make a comeback. How about that? [crosstalk]. What would that look like in the magical world, right? Aidan: Man. What is faith if you don't have religion?  Fabeku: Good question. Aidan: What is your faith in? Fabeku: Uh-huh (affirmative)- Aidan: Or rather, what is your faith for, which might be the better question.  Andrew: Really, the only answer to that should be, everybody's face should be in Stacking Skulls. In Stacking Skulls we trust. Stack them 23 high, and you're good. Everything [crosstalk]. The world will unlock, [crosstalk] will open.  Aidan: Once the stack gets taller than you, while you're standing up, things get better.  Andrew: Right. Back to my mind, we went on this lovely detour into things and I'm still, all right, but, what the hell? What the hell, universe? What the hell, 2020? What the hell is going to go on? Does anybody find feel like they're doing stuff or needing to do stuff? Maybe this is just a reiteration of the capacity conversation, but to just manage themselves through this time. You know?  Aidan: I definitely have some of that. Again, we talked about that earlier for me, backing off of the internet and connectivity and just going, Oh, yeah, I really like fooling around on the guitar for hours. I like talking to my wife for hours. Then, being really aware. In our house, we have this saying that, that the end of the world is happening all the time. But, sometimes it's very obvious for the people that it's happening in because it's clearly catastrophic, right. But, it's happening. It's ending, it's reforming, it's changing. I think, right now, is a really interesting moment because it's so clear that it's changing in a really huge way for a lot of people.  I don't think, we, in America... using the US term of America, which is totally wrong, but I'm going to do it here, because that's the language that's most appropriate here in America... I don't think all of this stuff has piled in on each other simultaneously in such an obvious and unrelenting way. So, it is. It seems clear to me that we're in a really major crisis point, at least in North America, which is what I can see in the United States primarily. It is an interesting thing, because if I look forward or in backwards, I can see the roots of the moment we're in, I can see logical outcomes, I can see outcomes that I would prefer, I can see the potential backlashes to the outcomes that I would prefer, right.  That's, I think, what's really interesting to me, is, I see, because we're in this election cycle and because things have been so insane politically here... I hope that people aren't assuming that if we have a change in the presidency, that that will fix what's going on. Because, we've had a whole lot of changes in the presidencies and they have not fixed what's going on.  Andrew: Yeah.  Aidan: So, yes, I would think that that would be a step in the right direction, for sure, but then you got to step on the gas at that point, if you want to see a lasting and real change. That's step one. Andrew: Yeah, for sure, right. Because, if there's a change in the presidency, that's great. But, that doesn't automatically change the system, and that systemic piece of stuff. The piece that is [inaudible]. Yeah. I've been going back to an old mantra of mine, which I've adapted slightly for this situation. It goes like this, other people's urgency doesn't need to be my urgency. I think that because there's so much going on right now, there are a lot of people who have a lot of urgency around stuff, right.  I remember, when my first godfather always used to say... because he ran a store and was a really well-known psychic in the Detroit area, and he used to say, "Look, if it's an emergency, you call 911. Otherwise, you can make an appointment and come see me whenever you can come and see." I've been working to not act with urgency, because I think that when stuff is as wonky and strange as it is, consideration and pacing and time and respecting capacity, and all those kinds of things, is super helpful, super important, I think. So, it's really, well, that's cool and all, but I'm not going to run around for this, I'm not going to run around for whatever. With my kids too, it's, is there an actual emergency, or is there some discomfort that maybe I'ma let you sit with for a bit so you can learn how to sit with discomfort instead of jumping into things, right?  It's an imperfect science, for sure. Right? It's just a general approach. But, I think that, yeah, that, I can't run around on this. I can't make myself do whatever. I can just do what I can do and I'm going to own my own directive around that, right. Sometimes I might be looking at something like, yeah, that is really urgent, I should jump on that. I should push myself to do that, even though I know there'll be a falling for it someway. But, yeah, that's been my thing.  Fabeku: I think, for me, it's been, because the clients stuff has been super busy, I've had to figure out a way beyond what I did previous to this, too, to not absorb that high-level, constant anxiety, angst, panic, fear, whatever it is, because, after a few weeks of that shit when all this stuff really ramped up, I just felt like I'd been through the blender. It's, okay, well, this is not ending anytime soon, and I'm happy to support people, and this can't be the way it goes. This can't be the way it goes. I think that's probably been the biggest piece, for me, was figuring out how to keep how to keep that capacity, but also how to not end up, at the end of the day or the end of the week, feeling like I've just been taken apart with this stuff. So, part of that has been magical practice, part of that has been mundane stuff, part of it has just been, okay, realistically, given this intensity, this is how many times a week I can have conversations with people that are really difficult and adjusting accordingly. Like you said, in some ways, not giving in to that, okay, but there's more people. There's 10 spots and 30 people, so let me figure out how to get 30 spots. That's not the answer, because then we end up back with coffee all day, caffeine pills, nonsense shit, right.  So, it really is like, this is what I can do and do it well, do it effectively, and also not be dismantled at the end of this, and it is what it is. That's it. There's no more space, there's no more bandwidth. There's no more room to fuck around with a calendar. Andrew: Hmm, yeah.  Aidan: I think that that thing too, which is what you brought on, the realizing where you've got to back down, or ramp things down, is really important, because there is so much out there, just saying, no, just go harder. Grind. There's times for that, but all of them all of them are not that time. Andrew: For sure. By where I go climbing... it's probably not surprising, it's an industrial building and there's some CrossFit type stuff in there, right? One of them has something painted on their garage door to their space. I think it says, "Somebody with less time than you is working out right now." I'm, that's cool. Good, for fuckin' [inaudible].  You know what I mean? A couple years ago, I shifted my climbing goals to be, still be climbing at the end of the year. That's my climbing goal, right. I have some very loose... I'd like to be able to consistently climb 5.8, 5.9. I'd like to be able to cycle 40 kilometers, 50 kilometers anytime. There's some very loose things that are indicators to me that I'm spending enough time being active to be able to continue being active, and that I believe that those things are good for me. Not in and of themselves, because they're indicators of a broader attention to my health, right.  Am I ever going to climb super higher levels than I'm climbing right now, I have no idea. Maybe, probably not. Does it matter? It doesn't matter. Am I always going to be able to cycle as far as I can cycle today? I'm doing a lot of distance cycling. Nah, probably not. There'll be times where I'm, I can't cycle that far right now. It doesn't matter. You know? Just keep showing up. Keep showing up. Keep doing the stuff to rest and recharge to show up.  Aidan: Yep, absolutely. I've definitely had to make adaptations on all of that stuff just because I'm getting smart enough to go, oh, this isn't really doing what I want it to do. So, instead of more, what does less do? I'm working out about half as much as I used to, and it's working better because my body can recover from that better. Interesting, okay.  Andrew: It makes sense, right? It makes sense. Well, maybe, we'll wrap it up here. I assume everybody knows where everybody is, but just in case, Aidan, where do people find you?  Aidan: You can find me at aidanwachter.com and as Aidan Wachter on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook, whatever that other one is.  Andrew: What's the name of your podcast, that people search? Aidan: My podcast is called Aidan Wachter Six Ways. It's up on Google, Stitcher, Apple, and someone else... I can't think who the other one is right now, but it's generally out there in the main places.  Andrew: I hear it gets heavy rotation in the underworld, so you can just go there and listen to it. Aidan: Exactly, you can find it down there. Yeah, you can get my books at all the major retailers. Andrew: Fabeku? Fabeku: Fabeku.com, Facebook, and, yeah, the book will be out in October with Revelore. Andrew: It's exciting.  Aidan: I'm stoked about that.  Fabeku: Hmm, me too.  Andrew: Yeah, and, obviously, I'm the Hermit's Lamp everywhere. Podcast is the Hermit's Lamp Podcast everywhere. I didn't talk about it, really, in this, but I'll throw it out here at the end. I'm going to be launching a Kickstarter for my next Oracle deck, which has the title of the Bacon Wizard Breakfast Oracle. So, if you like food and you like divination, I can certainly... I was going to launch it, actually, back in March. My original timeline was end of March, Kickstarter, but obviously didn't do that. But, it's going to be end of September, early October, Kickstarter for that, and you can check it out on my website and other places as I'm building up to that. So, all right. Thanks, folks. Have a great rest of your day. Aidan: Thanks for having us.  Andrew: Oh, my pleasure. 

Spirit Box
#31 / Aidan Wachter, dirt sorcery, Six Ways, Weaving Fate, & Doing what works for you.

Spirit Box

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 30, 2020 71:29


For Episode 31 we welcome the awesome Aidan Wachter. Aidan is the author of the wonderful Six Ways, which is a collection of approaches and entries for practical magic. It is not a system, grimoire, or belief system. The focus is on the development of healthy spirit ecologies with a decidedly animist bent. His next book Weaving Fate: Hypersigils, Changing the Past, & Telling True Lies is available at the end of August 2020 We talk spirits, dirt sorcery and rural life. Aiden takes us through a moving experience he had through his work in deep trance states. We discuss the influence of society on the self and how solid praxis and discernment can help insulate oneself against that which does not serve you. In the Plus show we discuss Aidan's encounters with the Man in Black, Luminous threads of attachment and practices to protect oneself from hungry spirits. We also chat about the occulture obsession with the lineage and authenticity of magical practices. To that end we discussed the consistent methods & tools that have allowed people to dip into the old currents throughout time. If you want to hear that bit, click the patreon link below and join the team! Show notes: Amazon page: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Aidan-Wachter/e/B07B4LVRTC/ref=dp_byline_cont_pop_book_1 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/swordakeereon Website: http://www.aidanwachter.com Six Ways Podcast: http://www.aidanwachter.com/six-ways-podcast Keep in touch? TWITTER - https://twitter.com/spiritbox3 SUPPORT - https://www.patreon.com/spiritbox PODCAST - https://anchor.fm/spirit-box Music by Obliqka --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/spirit-box/message

What Magic Is This?
Spirits with Aidan Wachter

What Magic Is This?

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 21, 2020 116:53


Many Magicians would say that one of the most important aspects of Magic is interacting with 'Spiritual Creatures.' The idea of Spirits being a part of this world and that there could be a 'Spirit World' has been with us far longer than it has not. Of course, the prevailing worldview of the last 300 years has done a fairly good job of attempting to demolish the idea that spirits have ever existed. Yet Spirits (or at least belief in them) has never gone away. In this Episode of WMiT? we are doing something a little bit different. To talk all things Spirit, we are joined by author and Dirt-Sorcerer Aidan Wachter.

Weird Web Radio
Episode 52 - Aidan Wachter Talking Weaving Fate & Sorcery

Weird Web Radio

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 10, 2020 81:04


Welcome to Weird Web Radio! This is the Season 4 FINALE!  Can you believe it? It's been four amazing years! The beautiful people I've met along the way and the friendships both created and deepened are forever cherished. This show has made so many things possible. I can't wait to see what else is in store for the years ahead. Who better to wrap this season up than Aidan Wachter?! Perfect timing! Aidan has a new book coming out just in time for all of you to go grab a copy. How do you follow up a roaring success like Six Ways? You crack heads wide open with a legit manual on Hypersigil magic! This one is called Weaving Fate. Available in digital and paperback form at Amazon. Check out my own review too. We have a great in depth conversation on this one. Aidan and I usually do when we get together. Magical insights and inspirations explode into our minds as we go! I hope this one just as great for you! I asked AIdan for his bio these days. Here's what he had to say: My approach to all I do is both informed and driven by my magical practice and spirit contacts. I believe that magic, sorcery, shamanry, witchcraft and related practices are the root of human spiritual culture. As Western societies grow more fundamentalist (particularly in the USA), in their expressions of both religion and materialism, there has been strong pressure to move away from the magical approaches which are, I believe, the birthright of humans. If we humans are indeed in some way special, I would like to think that this is not all in our material progress as expressed in rampant industrialism (and it’s co-mingled social, psychic, and planetary degradation), but in our ability to directly interface with the vast array of beings and experiences that make up the world we inhabit, both this material Earth we dwell upon as well as the Otherworlds of the spirits. My aim as author, sorcerer, and artist is to facilitate this communication between ourselves and these others. Find Aidan On The Web: Facebook Six Ways Discussion Group Instagram Official Site Want to know what Aidan and I Talk about in the bonus portion?! We go WAY DEEPER into Sorcery and Adventures! Almost another hour! All that and more in the members only bonus audio extended interview! Join here! It's time to sport a new look? Hell yes! Check out the Official Weird Web Radio Store for Shirts, Hoodies, Hats, and more! Real quick! Do you want a Tarot Reading from an international award winning professional? Look no more! I'm here! Go to my site http://tarotheathen.com to reserve your reading today! You can also come join the Facebook discussion group here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/weirdwebradio/ New Instagram for Weird Web Radio! Follow for unique content and videos! https://www.instagram.com/weirdwebradio/ You can make a One-Time Donation to help support the show and show some love! Is this show worth a dollar to you? How about five dollars? Help support this podcast! That gets you into the Weird Web Radio membership where the extra goodies appear! Join the membership at patreon.com/weirdwebradio or at weirdwebradio.com and click Join the Membership! SHOW NOTES: SUBSCRIBE ON iTunes, Stitcher, and Spotify! Also streaming on mobile apps for podcasts! Intro voice over by Lothar Tuppan. Outro voice over by Lonnie Scott Intro & Outro Music by Nine Inch Nails on the album ‘7’, song title ‘Ghost’, under Creative Commons License.

The Reality Revolution Podcast
Interview with Scarlet Grace The Unseen Seraph on Manifesting a Specific, Magic and Neville Goddard

The Reality Revolution Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 18, 2020 55:41


On her website www.unseenseraph.com Scarlet Grace explains Curious about me, eh? Well let's get to it then!  Over 2 decades of experience in conscious, deliberate manifestation (with a brief interval in there where I dropped the “conscious” part and manifested some horror-movie-worthy kind of sh*it… ooops!) 12 years of studying magick & sorcery and working with spirits to create the life I want and helping others do the same (with a brief interval of….well, refer to the “ooops!” above). Thousands of hours spent trying to figure out why certain things suck for me, how to un-suck them and how to help others do the same in their lives. Currently, my focus is on teaching people (yep, that means you if you want!) how to use the teachings of Neville Goddard to manifest any desire they have, and ultimately, manifest a life they could only dream of until now!  This is one of my favorite interviews, I have been trying to interview Scarlet for a long time and I was so excited to interview her.  I was super nervous for this one, Scarlet has one of my favorite voices  Please subscribe and check out her youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7-td7z0rcr4uxKraBXn8fA/ We also talked about magic and Scarlet wanted to give some books to suggest for further reading:  My top favorite book in general (for beginners and advanced practitioners), especially people who are attracted to witchcraft and folk magic (working with roots, plants, dirt) and animism (working with the spirit of all living things) as well as chaos magick is "Six Ways" by Aidan Wachter. https://www.amazon.com/Six-Ways-Approaches-Entries-Practical/dp/0999356607/ For people interested in energy manipulation, constructs, chaos magick etc "Hands- On Chaos Magick" by Andrieh Vitimus: https://www.amazon.com/Hands-Chaos-Magic-Reality-Manipulation/dp/0738715085/ For practical (results-oriented) magick based on western traditions with a touch of buddhism, "The Sorcerer's Secrets" by Jason Miller https://www.amazon.com/Sorcerers-Secrets-Strategies-Practical-Magick-ebook/dp/B07CH2KR47/ For anyone who has some experience with magick already but hasn't had the best results and wants to optimize their approach for better practical results, "The Elements of Spellcrafting" by Jason Miller https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0794R6MVN/For coaching – https://www.advancedsuccessinstitute.com For all episodes of the Reality Revolution – https://www.therealityrevolution.com Like us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/RealityRevolutionPodcast/ Join our facebook group The Reality Revolution  https://www.facebook.com/groups/403122083826082/ Subscribe to my Youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOgXHr5S3oF0qetPfqxJfSw Contact us at media@advancedsuccessinsitute.com #nevillegoddard #unseenseraph #lawofattraction 

Witchhassle
011 - Aidan Wachter

Witchhassle

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 12, 2020 106:45


Aidan Wachter, talismanic jeweler and author Six Ways: Approaches & Entries for Practical Magic, pops in to talk magical techniques, dirt magic, spiritual allies, magical jewelry, and more. There's also a Plague Magic Minute with what I think is marimba music? For more on Aidan go to: http://www.aidanwachter.com/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/817003871775078/ https://twitter.com/silfrsmith https://www.instagram.com/aidan.wachter/ Also I used on incipits but didn't mention is available here: https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-artifacts/artifacts-and-the-bible/ancient-amulets-with-incipits/ Our theme music is performed by Sebastian Bäverstam and recorded by Edvard Lee.

Banger and Andrew's podcast
Genesis’ Exodus, Revelations, Judges, and (Tiger) Kings

Banger and Andrew's podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 10, 2020 58:30


Andrew and Banger remember Genesis P-Orridge, then seque into the power of Positive Thinking, plummeting Retirement Funds, reading Aidan Wachter. And Tiger King, of course. Genesis Breyer P-Orridge - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_P-OrridgeTransition - https://www.westword.com/music/genesis-breyer-p-orridge-had-a-special-denver-connection-11682468Industrial music - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_musicPandrogeny project - https://nymag.com/arts/art/profiles/58864/Sacred Intent Interviews https://www.amazon.com/Genesis-Breyer-P-Orridge-Conversations-Abrahamsson/dp/919845126XCarl Abrahamsson -https://www.carlabrahamsson.com/Cosi Tutti Fanni - http://www.coseyfannitutti.com/Art Sex Music - https://www.amazon.com/Art-Music-Cosey-Fanni-Tutti/dp/0571328520Garrison Keillor fired from NPR - https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/29/567241644/garrison-keillor-accused-of-inappropriate-behavior-minnesota-public-radio-saysS/HE IS STILL HER/E - http://www.nypress.com/news/she-is-still-here-memorial-for-lady-jaye-breyer-p-orridge-OENP1020080307303079997Colorado Public Radio (not NPR) Breaking Bread - https://www.cpr.org/show-segment/breaking-bread-can-coloradans-sit-down-and-figure-each-other-out/Pink Floyd Early Years box - https://www.amazon.com/Early-Years-Box-Set/dp/B01J2M5J70X-Files Hell Money episode - https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7bufpoShirley Jackson The Lottery - https://www.amazon.com/Lottery-Other-Stories-FSG-Classics/dp/0374529531/DC Covid closure - https://coronavirus.dc.gov/release/mayor-bowser-orders-closure-non-essential-businessesCost benefits of Covid quarantine - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/opinion/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing.htmlDay trading the 401k - https://www.forbes.com/sites/kensweet/2012/07/10/6-reasons-why-day-trading-your-401k-is-dangerous/#7aa5952b7adaStock market - https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/%5EDJI?p=^DJILinear vs. logaritmic charts https://scan.stockcharts.com/discussion/384/linear-or-logarithmic-chartsTrendline showing ominous inflation trendhttps://slopeofhope.com/socialtrade/dynamic/file/full/206

Glitch Bottle Podcast
#061 - Sigils, Vessels and Doors with Aidan Wachter | Glitch Bottle

Glitch Bottle Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 30, 2019 57:20


How can we avoid working at cross-purposes with magic? What are magical vessels, and how are they used to build magical pressure? How are magical sigils used as coded information? In this second part of a two part conversation, Aidan Wachter (author, talismanic jeweler and dirt sorcerer) shares about all these topics, answers your Glitch Bottle Patron questions and more!Get ‘Six Ways’ and learn more: http://www.aidanwachter.com/sixwaysCheck out Aidan’s talismanic jewelry: http://www.aidanwachter.com/storeCheck out Aidan’s music: https://aidanwachter.bandcamp.com/Become a Glitch Bottle Patron! ✅►https://www.patreon.com/glitchbottle

Glitch Bottle Podcast
#061 - Sigils, Vessels and Doors with Aidan Wachter | Glitch Bottle

Glitch Bottle Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 30, 2019 57:20


How can we avoid working at cross-purposes with magic? What are magical vessels, and how are they used to build magical pressure? How are magical sigils used as coded information? In this second part of a two part conversation, Aidan Wachter (author, talismanic jeweler and dirt sorcerer) shares about all these topics, answers your Glitch Bottle Patron questions and more!Get ‘Six Ways’ and learn more: http://www.aidanwachter.com/sixwaysCheck out Aidan’s talismanic jewelry: http://www.aidanwachter.com/storeCheck out Aidan’s music: https://aidanwachter.bandcamp.com/Become a Glitch Bottle Patron! ✅►https://www.patreon.com/glitchbottle

The Hermit's Lamp Podcast - A place for witches, hermits, mystics, healers, and seekers
EP101 Clergy, magic and witchcraft with Mal Strangefellow

The Hermit's Lamp Podcast - A place for witches, hermits, mystics, healers, and seekers

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 29, 2019 74:18


This long overdue episode was record back in the summer.  Andrew and Mal talk about the nature of magic, initiation, religious practice and more. They talk a lot about how to know if you are on the right track and the pitfalls of walking a magical path. The upsides and pitfalls of gnosis. How to become a bishop by chance and much more.  Think about how much you've enjoyed the podcast and how many episodes you listened to, and consider if it is time to support the Patreon You can do so here. If you want more of this in your life you can subscribe by RSS , iTunes, Stitcher, or email. To find more out about Mal check out Lux-Umbria or hang with him on Facebook here.  Thanks for joining the conversation. Please share the podcast to help us grow and change the world.  Andrew You can book time with Andrew through his site here.  Transcription ANDREW: [00:00:02] Welcome to another episode of The Hermit's Lamp podcast. I am joined today by Mal Strangefellow. And I've been following Mal online for quite a while. And recently, he's gotten into starting a church. And [00:00:17] a lot of the dialogue around that has been very fascinating to me. So I thought that inviting him on to talk about some of these things would be really entertaining because I think there's so many fascinating questions about legitimacy, legacy, [00:00:32] lineage, and all sorts of stuff that people are or ought to be thinking about as they're going about in various traditions right now, and at the birth of something new, seems like a great place to revisit those conversations. So, for people who [00:00:47] might not know you, Mal, give us, give us the introduction. Who are you? What are you about? MAL: [laughing] Oh, wow, um, you know, and I don't mean this to sound, sound like I'm bragging. It's mostly just because [00:01:02] I'm getting older and my memory is lagging, but when you, when you've done, I don't want to say so much, but when you've done enough, at some point, it starts to become difficult to figure out how to answer that question. [00:01:17] [laughing] ANDREW: Sure.  MAL: I got my start in esoterica during the mid-80s. I'm solidly in that, you know, Boomer cusp/early Gen X region. [00:01:34] Went into, went into the army right out of high school, and after that, got it into my head that I wanted to be a Buddhist monk.  ANDREW: Mm-hmm.  MAL: And ended up doing [00:01:49] that for a number of years. I was a Tibetan Buddhist monk, a novice and, and fully ordained getsu and gelong. After a few years, or early 90s, wanted to go and get a college degree, [00:02:04] went to the University of Oregon--go Ducks!--and you know, discovered that it's a lot harder to be a celibate monk in a university than it is in a monastery! ANDREW: [laughing] Uh huh. [00:02:19]  MAL: Go figure! ANDREW: I imagine. MAL: And ended up returning my vows, and, at that point, just kind of wandered back and forth among a number of different things, sort of exploring [00:02:35] alternate routes of spirituality, continuing to practice magic. Of course, the Internet was really just sort of starting to become popular at this time. You know, we were moving beyond the [00:02:50] text-based, green screen kind of stuff and actually getting a graphical interface to the Internet discussion boards. Alt magic, of course, was going like gangbusters. This is just at the cusp of the, the [00:03:05] infamous Golden Dawn Wars of the early, early to mid-90s, and ended up getting involved with the Golden Dawn. Was--actually, my neophyte initiation in the Golden Dawn was done [00:03:20] with Israel Regardie's handmade tools, and I believe a mutual friend of ours, Poke Runyan, was the keryx for that and gave me his flu.  ANDREW: [chuckles] MAL: So.  ANDREW: That's a magical blessing, indeed.  MAL: [00:03:35] Right? And kind of . . . There was some floundering, I would say towards the late 90s. Got involved in the Temple of Set, stayed there long enough to [00:03:50] be recognized to the third degree, their priesthood, at which, and this, I bring this up because it encompasses sort of a pivotal event for me. James Grabe was [00:04:05] also a member of the temple and a member of the OTO, and at the time, when I actually met him in person, there, he was on the outs with the current leadership. I [00:04:20] mean, he has made, I don't know if I'm saying that right, I've never done any OTO stuff. So. That guy. And I don't know what there was, so I don't know if they were, I think there was some sort of lawsuit or some-- Anyway, they were pissed [00:04:35] off. We were at a conclave, which is an annual temple gathering, and we were in the hotel bar, and just sort of chatting, and you know, I was a second degree adept at the time, and so I was star struck at his degree and [00:04:50] his history. And we were just talking and he was mostly talking. And he had mentioned that he had apostolic succession as a bishop, and one of the things, among other things, that the current leadership wanted from him was consecration [00:05:06] as a bishop for their EGC.  ANDREW: Mm. MAL: And he was basically just inviting them to peruse the fine example of the back of his middle finger on that. ANDREW: Mm-hmm. MAL: And you know, he said, "You know what, basically, [00:05:21] I'll consecrate, you know, anybody else, anybody but them. Right? Hell, you want to be consecrated?" and I was like, "Um, yeah, okay." He's like, "All right, cool." So we actually made a plan for the next night. He [00:05:36] had a suite in the hotel and I showed up and we went through deacon priest and I was consecrated a bishop that night. And it was like, "Here you go. Now, you're a bishop." I was like, "Well, awesome. Thank you." This is [00:05:51] 1998-99-ish and, which, oddly enough feels like, you know, maybe five or ten years ago for me, but . . .  ANDREW: Sure.  MAL: Yeah, I was like, you know, "So what do I do with this?" It was like fuck, [00:06:06] I don't care. Can I say fuck? I can say fuck, right?  ANDREW: You can say fuck. It's fine. Go ahead. MAL: All right, cool. Fuck, yeah. [laughing] He was like, "I don't care," you know, "here's some stuff," and I got like loose leaf print outs, you know, some ideas that he had had [00:06:21] about sort of a Johannite spirituality and you know, I got, you know, an old Xeroxed copy of his succession, apostolic succession, and stuff like that, and I just sort of filed it away and did nothing with it. [00:06:36]  ANDREW: Mm.  MAL: Until I resigned, after I resigned from the temple as a priest. It was, you know, interpersonal political stuff. ANDREW: Isn't it always, right? MAL: Right, you know, it's, there was a group that was up-and-coming [00:06:51] in the temple. They have since been, been purged out, but I was not in that group, and ended up just resigning rather than dealing with all of the, the people bullshit that comes with that, and [00:07:06] in trying to figure out, all right, what the hell do I want to do now? Said, you know, well, I've got these kind of things to fall back on. I wonder if I could do this? And so I pulled out all of James's stuff and decided [00:07:21] you know what, fuck it. I'm, I'm a start a church!  And that's how the Apostolic Johannite church was founded, [laughs] and I ended up posting on a couple of message boards online at the time: "Hey, are [00:07:36] you interested in an esoteric organization and an esoteric church?" And got a couple of hits. One of the very first ones was, of course, the current patriarch of the AJC, and you know, the rest there is history. [00:07:51] I ran the AJC for a couple of years, and at that time, kind of felt like I had some unfinished stuff that I wanted to do elsewhere. Plus, [00:08:06] I feel like, at least for me at that time, it took a different personality to run things than it did to start them, and I didn't know that I had the personality to keep that [00:08:21] thing going, and I feel justified in making this statement, you know, in hindsight 20/20, but just in looking at how well they've done, you know, since I, since I handed it over to Sean McCann, their current patriarch, you know, I think [00:08:36] it's the, like the largest, fastest growing international gnostic church on the planet right now, some crazy crap like that.  ANDREW: So. Let me ask you a question.  MAL: Yeah, yeah! ANDREW: Cause you've talked about so many things here and I want to . . . MAL:  I know, I'm sorry.  ANDREW: No. No, it's [00:08:51] why I had you on, I want to have these conversations and I love hearing you chat. What, what kind of personality does it take to run these things? Because you know, I've, you know, I've been in my share of, you know, I was in the OTO [00:09:06] in several different groups that all imploded or exploded. And I was in the Aurum Solace for a bunch of time, and change of leadership and it, you know, my local group was excommunicated. And you know, I [00:09:21] was in the AA for a while and there are various, you know, things with that, that just left me, you know, with nowhere to go. What is it, you know, and I've seen my share of that in the, in the Lukumi traditions as well, you know, different places. [00:09:36] What does it take to run a thing like that well? Because I feel like there's, you know, what I've seen is, there's, like, if there's a strong personality and they can kind of hold it together with their personality, [00:09:51] that works until it doesn't, until they leave or retire or whatever. What actually does work? What makes sense when it comes to sort of bigger organizations around that kind of stuff? MAL: You know, I think you [00:10:06] kind of hit on it with the, the big personality, not in that that's the answer. But in that, that's not the answer.  ANDREW: Mm. MAL: I think a strong personality, a willingness to get shit [00:10:21] done, to say, you know, what, screw it, we're going this way. We're doing it. Like that's the kind of personality you need to start something, to really get it going, to gather people in, to inspire other people, but to keep it going, [00:10:37] I think you need somebody a lot more conciliatory.  ANDREW: Mm. MAL: You know, somebody, somebody who is open to, willing to, desirous of working with other people and incorporating them into the, [00:10:52] the, the living, you know, the daily life of the organization, a strong personality. You know, again, I think it's absolutely necessary to get a thing started. ANDREW: Mm-hmm. MAL: [00:11:07] You know, there's just so much inertia there, at the beginning of anything that you need to build up a certain amount of momentum to, you know, to, to overcome initial obstacles and you know, nothing kills [00:11:22] momentum faster than a committee meeting.  ANDREW: [laughing] Especially if not much is already happening. Right?  MAL: Right. Right! You know? So you need that strong personality, but after you reach a certain point, I think that strong personality [00:11:37] becomes detrimental, you know? ANDREW: Mm-hmm. MAL: And if you don't have it within you to drop that and become more conciliatory, then you're just kind of a, you know, you're kind of a bully, you, you end up with, you know, strong personality clashes [00:11:52] with other people who, you know, who might be able to come in and do amazing things. Yeah, I think of . . . Okay. So, a perfect example of this going back to where I was and where Sean McCann was at the beginning of the AJC when I handed things over to [00:12:07] him . . . You know, he was, he'd only been a bishop for like a year.  ANDREW: Okay.  MAL: You know, I'd consecrated him and, to be fair, I had even gone, like right after his consecration, [00:12:22] I went on vacation!  ANDREW: Uh huh. MAL: Like six months! [laughing] And I was like, you know what, I just need a break from all of this. I'm tired. You run things. Call me if you need to, but I'm out for a while. So, you know, really, even that first six months, he [00:12:37] was kind of running things. Because of his age, and because of his natural temperament at the time, you know, sort of, you know, not really sure of himself, [00:12:52] not wanting to make a mistake. MAL: Okay. So the current primate of North America for the AJC, Mar Thoma, was a bishop with [00:14:07] another organization who came into the AJC. We had become friends while I was still there, but he officially joined the AJC after I left, and he is a very strong personality. But he's also [00:14:22] been, you know, has been just an amazing asset for the church and, you know, in looking back, I don't know, like, would I have given him the same opportunity? You know, when you've got those, the [00:14:37] two alpha dogs clashing, right? The, you know, the two strong personalities, would, would the same results have come about? And I'm not so sure that it would have, you know? I think by me stepping out and by Sean coming in [00:14:52] and having that, that natural conciliatory manner and welcoming him in, [coughs] excuse me, as a, another leader. I think that was a huge part of their success. And so, what does it take to run [00:15:07] an organization? I think it takes the ability to find, to find that in yourself, to realize that, you know, you know, it's not all about me.  ANDREW: Mm-hmm. MAL: If I care about this, if it's going to run, I need to, I need to be conciliatory. [00:15:22] Does that make sense? ANDREW: Yeah, I think so, for sure. MAL: Oh good, cool. ANDREW: Because you know, yeah, a lot of people just . . . A lot of what I've seen is, it gets to a point where people are just like, look, it's my way or the highway, and then you know, and then you just [00:15:37] have, you know, whatever, right? Like, like the thing around the apostolic succession, where they're like, will you please give this to us? And be like, absolutely never, you know, like you just end up in these things where it's so stuck that there's no, there's no movement possible, right? You know? MAL: Right, right. ANDREW: [00:15:52] Mm-hmm.  MAL: Yeah, and you know, when you lay down something, like it's my way or the highway, you end up with a ton of fantastic people choosing the highway. ANDREW: Yeah. MAL: And, and you're left with, you know, just the, the sycophants, [00:16:07] and what happens to your, the organization, then? I mean, you mentioned your experiences in the Aurum Solis, and I remember, you know, when Leon proclaimed it an all Christian organization [00:16:22] when he was still, you know, Grandmaster. And, you know, it was that, this is it, it's my way or the highway. This is what we're proclaiming.  ANDREW: Mm-hmm. MAL: A bunch of people chose the highway! [laughing] You know, and then he kind of pulled back from that a little bit and then [00:16:37] somebody else took over and then [garbled right before 16:43] Anyway. Yeah, I think that that's a perfect example of what you were talking about. When you have leadership like that, [00:16:52] things tend not to grow organically and even if they do survive that personality, that type of personality, they don't survive the end of that personality. ANDREW: Mm-hmm. For sure.  MAL: When that person dies or, you know, [00:17:07] converts to evangelical Christianity, and says, you know unicorns are bad or whatever. [laughing] ANDREW: Sure. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I think it's interesting. You know? I also think it's, it's interesting how . . . I wonder how, [00:17:22] contrary to what people might think, that that sort of more conciliatory aspect actually works to sustain the teachings versus dissipate them? MAL: Mm-hmm. ANDREW: Because what I see where there, where there's no [00:17:37] or nominal flexibility, is then there's these sort of backlashes and waves that come back and forth, right? You know, the new group comes in and you know, they're, they're all, they're all into witchcraft, and that's it. And if you're a Christian, you're [00:17:52] out, right? In response to the Christians who are like, "Well we're Christian," you know. And especially in a group like the Aurum Solis that, at least sort of in its heyday was so founded on research, you know . . . I mean, I think that, you know, what's, what are you losing, [00:18:07] you know, by these massive sways, right? So, yeah. MAL: Right, right. You know and also you get, you know, you get buy-in from everybody when, you know, regardless of the kind of organization, right? Whether it's a business or a teaching [00:18:22] order or a church or . . . You get buy-in with conciliatory leadership. You know, people feel like they have ownership, you know, they have a stake in it, and so they care about it. Whereas if it's just: here it is, [00:18:37] it's my way or the highway and then you know, well, okay, it's your way. It's never my way at that point, no matter where I am in the organization. If I'm not on top, it's never my way. It's always, I'm doing their way and you know, we as people, we [00:18:52] tend to like our way . . . [laughing] ANDREW: Well, and especially more magically inclined people. Right?  MAL: Right. Yeah. ANDREW: You know, I think there's, there's a tendency towards ego, you know, not necessarily in a bad sense, but just ego, that [00:19:07] doesn't really, if it's not addressed in some capacity, you know? So, how did, how did you find the transition of, how did you sort of manage that transition from Tibetan Buddhist practice, which [00:19:22] is pretty, you know, which is very structured, you know, to, to kind of your other practices, which sound like there are through lines, but they weren't as rigid? If that's fair. [00:19:37]  MAL: Oh, yeah. Absolutely. [lost words--exception?] about that. Yeah, you know, actually, I think it was . . . Being on sort of those diametric poles was beneficial to me. ANDREW: Mm-hmm. MAL: You know, as structured and rigid as [00:19:52] Tibetan monastic life was, the Temple of Set, on the other hand, and I think why, why I enjoyed and sort of embraced what they were doing so much was because there's so much [00:20:07] more open, right? You know, you show up and one of their, their primary tenets from The Book of Coming Forth by Night is, you know, "the text of another is an affront to the self." You know, so, every, initiatory degrees, you know, [00:20:22] okay, it's time for you to be recognized as a second-degree adept. They don't confer initiations. They recognize after you've achieved something, and then they say, okay, well now, go write that initiation ritual, you know, go [00:20:37] do it. Go create it, you know, come up with your own, you know, have it, have it . . . You know, don't, don't just pull crap out of your ass, you know. There, there's, there's a very scholastic aspect to them. I think when I, when I [00:20:52] joined, I got a binder that was like, and I'm holding up my fingers. Nobody can see them. [laughing] It's like an inch and a half to two inches thick and the vast bulk of that was a reading list. ANDREW: Mm. MAL: You know, so, and part of recognition [00:21:07] is, their recognition process is, go out and read these books. ANDREW: Mm-hmm. MAL: Go out and study this material. Go find more and then come back and tell us what you think about it, you know. You know, so there's this, this, this scholarship and then this production [00:21:22] and it's really, you know, and I don't want to give the impression that it's this loosey-goosey kind of thing. But it, it is very different from the structure that I experienced in Tibetan Buddhism. Right?  ANDREW: Mm-hmm. MAL: And [00:21:37] I think I tried to incorporate some of that in in my later work and it's still something in my own personal practice and when I'm working with students, it's still something that even down to, you know, giving them offhand a reading [00:21:52] list. ANDREW: Mm-hmm. MAL: And saying, you know, pick, pick six books, or pick three books, or whatever. Read them all from different categories, and then come back and let's talk about how, you know, what [00:22:07] material from this book on this topic and this book from this incredibly different topic. How do they play together? ANDREW: Mm-hmm.  MAL: And what do you get from reading both of those back-to-back that you wouldn't have gotten from reading either one separately, [00:22:22] right? In isolation. What, what new comes out of that? And I think that's sort of been, that came out of that experience, of strict rigid practice with, with Tibetan Buddhism and then the [00:22:37] more open, but, but scholastically-informed Setianism, like, like this kind of was born out of that, and I think that has been, regardless of what I've done since, sort [00:22:52] of my, my entire method of, approach for things.  ANDREW: Mm. MAL: Does that make sense? I really feel like I'm just rambling on . . .  ANDREW: No, no, not at all. It totally makes sense. MAL: Okay cool.  ANDREW: I mean, for me I kind of went in the opposite direction. You know, I was doing ceremonial [00:23:07] stuff, you know, throwing some chaos magic, and you know, all that kind of . . . different things and then I'm, as I moved into Lukumi, and you know, the Orisha tradition that I got initiated in, it's, [00:23:22] there are just ways that things are done, you know. MAL: Mm-hmm. ANDREW: And so it's been a move away from, from that kind of structure and a stepping into that structure, and what I see is that so many people struggle with that axis. MAL: Yeah. ANDREW: You know? Like, you know, [00:23:37] for people to accept that there is a way that things are done, or, you know, in light of a tradition, the way that things are done, and that that part isn't [00:23:52] subject to conversation so much is very difficult for a lot of people, you know? MAL: But it's also a really important experience, I think. ANDREW: Mm-hmm. MAL: You know, I went from the founding of the AJC into East Asian esoteric [00:24:07] Buddhism, tendai [spelling?], and from their Korean Zen, you know, Seon Buddhism, and those are both, I mean, you don't get more rigid than the Japanese. ANDREW: Right.  MAL: And, but there's a purpose for that. You know, they, [00:24:23] there's this idea that when you take all of these people together and you force them to do this sort of thing, this sort of way, we kind of polish our rough edges off. ANDREW: Mm. MAL: You know, and if everybody was just allowed to go off and do their own thing, [00:24:38] you would never find your rough edges, you know, and so in practicing tendai [spelling?] Buddhism and then in going through, you know, the Zen Buddhist koan curriculum, that was, it was very rigid, there's a way [00:24:53] you do it. There's even an entire different language almost for going through koans that if you don't, if you don't know it and if you don't do it, you're not going to pass. You're not going to advance. You know, it's almost [00:25:08] like learning that language, which is both, you know, poetic and performative. You know, there's a physical aspect to it. But learning that language is what allows your brain to operate [00:25:23] in the way that it needs to operate in order to get the insight that you need to get.  ANDREW: Sure.  MAL: You know, there's no book that you could read that, that, that, you know, could tell you that. There's a story out of Daido Loori's [00:25:38] place, Zen Mountain Monastery, back when he was still alive. They had a book with all the answers to the koans in it, and somebody stole it. And one of the head monks was like, you know, ran up to Daido Roshi and was like, "Hey, you know, somebody stole the book. What are [00:25:53] we gonna do? What if they publish it?" And Loori Roshi was like, yeah, don't worry about it.  ANDREW: Mm-Hmm.  MAL: The answers aren't in the book. It doesn't matter what was written down. The answers aren't in the book.  ANDREW: Yeah.  MAL: The answers are what we see in front of us. It's like, you know, I live here in Cincinnati. [00:26:08] And, if you read a ton of books about Cincinnati, but had never been here, and then tried to pass it off, you know, in talking to somebody that was born and raised here, they'd know pretty quickly you're full of shit. ANDREW: Mm-hmm. MAL: You know? [00:26:23] Whereas if you've both, you know, if you've been there, if you've visited there, if you're talking about "oh, man, you know, did they finish the construction over on . . ." or you know, all of that sort of stuff that just, you know, then they're like, "oh, yeah, yeah, you've been there." So I think . . . [00:26:39] There's definitely value to "this is the way things are done" for a lot of traditional things, just because, if you don't do it that way, you don't get the experience or have the effect that it's supposed [00:26:54] to provide, you know?  ANDREW: Mm-hmm. For sure. Well, it's why, you know, my experience of memorizing tables of correspondences when I was doing ceremonial stuff, you know? MAL: [chuckles] ANDREW: I mean, on the one hand, it's like, well, why memorize [00:27:09] it, there are books, but on the other hand, it's, it preloads your cognition with a framework that stuff that wants to work within that framework can then work straight through . . .  MAL: Absolutely. ANDREW: As opposed [00:27:24] to, you know, having to attempt to bridge that gap without that extra framework there, you know? MAL: Yeah. Absolutely. ANDREW: It's possible, anybody can have a vision of, you know, take your pick, and that might be authentic and whatever, but It's [00:27:39] a lot rarer and it's really atypical, as opposed to sort of the, you know, that that more you've done the work, [lost words at 27:48? sounds like "you're fed up"?] and now they're going to show you a thing in this way.  MAL: Absolutely. Well, and you know, putting on my clinical [00:27:54] psych hat, in the middle of all of this I also went on and got various graduate degrees in psychology. We know that the thoughts that we think change the physical structure of our brains.  ANDREW: Mm-hmm. MAL: You know, and so, memorizing [00:28:09] tables of correspondences, it's not just putting information in your head so that you can have it at quick recall. It's literally making a physical change to your brain. ANDREW: Mm-hmm. MAL: Is that physical change necessary? Is that, [00:28:24] you know, an integral component to the experience that you're trying to have? I-- Maybe not, but maybe it is, and if that's the case, if it's not just about being able to have something on immediate recall, in which case, you know, why don't [00:28:39] I just load, preload 777 on my phone?  ANDREW: Sure.  MAL: And then if I, if I need to know a correspondence, I'll pick it up. But you know, if it's not just about having that piece of information, but if it's about the change that it's affecting in your brain that is allowing [00:28:54] you to maybe perceive or experience, you know, something, then, you know, by not doing it, you're either never going to get there, or, like you said, it's going to be really damn rare that you get the experience that, you know, that [00:29:09] you're hoping for. ANDREW: Yeah. I think the, the, you know, the real answer is, the magic is in many, many parts of it, right? MAL: Yeah. ANDREW: And not just in the quote unquote secret word that activates the ritual or what, right? [00:29:24] MAL: [laughing] Exactly! ANDREW: It's got so many parts of it that that are not, they're not necessarily glamorous. They're almost never talked about overtly in books or in other contexts, right? MAL: Yeah. ANDREW: You know, I almost never see anybody talk about [00:29:39] that when I read a book about magic. It's like "yeah," and then you just like, do this thing and it'll happen. It's like, oh, maybe, maybe so.  MAL: [laughing] Yeah. Sure. It's just the magic word. You just say the word, the word.  ANDREW: Well, the bird is the word, right? That's where we'll go with that? MAL: [laughing] [00:29:56] Yeah. Well, I was going to say, Aidan Wachter recently made a post that I think brilliantly comes to this point and it was a . . . Oh, how did [00:30:11] it go? [sighs] See, I brought it up. Now I should at least be able to remember it, but it was along the lines of you know, the vast majority of success comes from mastering the basics.  ANDREW: Yes. MAL: Not from some advanced, you know, rarefied thing, you know, [00:30:26] and he was coming from it from both an esoteric and a physical, you know, point of view. And I thought it was brilliant when I saw that. ANDREW: Yeah. I remember that post. He was basically sort of saying like, you know, sure, some super custom tailored [00:30:41] fancy technique might get you this extra increase, because--it was coming from a fitness training point of view, the article that he linked to--but the reality is, you know, showing up four days a week and you know doing the basic things, [00:30:56] that's going to get you almost everything and the other stuff is, you know, especially over the arc of time, right? So.  MAL: Right. And that applies to so much of what we do, right? Just showing up and doing the basic stuff. And . . . ANDREW: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Absolutely. [00:31:13]  MAL: Oh crap, there was, where was I going to go? There was . . . ? Eh, never mind. It'll come back to me if . . . [laughing] ANDREW: Let me ask you this question, then. So . . .  MAL: Yeah. ANDREW: We've popped out this term a couple times here and there: gnostic.  MAL: Okay. ANDREW: What is, [00:31:28] what does that mean to you? What does that mean? You know, like I hear it a lot. I've seen it a lot. You know, I mean, you know, Crowley talked about it a bunch, you know different people talk about it, you know, there's the knights cathars and you know, all that stuff or whatever. [00:31:43] But what does it mean to you? What does it actually . . . What's the relevance of it at this point in time? MAL: Sure. Well, so first off a caveat, I . . . Technically, I don't even really identify myself as gnostic any more, [00:31:59] which, I suppose is actually kind of peak gnosticism, itself. ANDREW: We live in a post gnostic era? MAL: Right. And I'm glad when you asked, you asked, you know, "What does gnosticism mean to you?" Because it is [00:32:14] a . . . I mean it's . . . We apply it retroactively to a lot of ideas, right? None of the ancient texts, like none of the Gnostic Gospels say, "And I am now writing this Gnostic Gospel."  ANDREW: Mm-hmm. MAL: Or, you know . . . [00:32:30] Gnosis, for me, the way, the way I learned it, the way I taught it, and the way I experienced it, gnosis is knowledge as opposed to [00:32:45] information. ANDREW: Mm-hmm. MAL: And specifically, it's that, it's that noetic apprehension that comes after the sort of die neue [spelling?]. [00:33:00] After the intellectual information gathering and crunching and . . . It's an apprehended knowing, you know, in the spiritual sense. More mundanely, it's just knowing [00:33:15] right? It's eating peanut butter rather than having somebody read off the ingredient list of peanut butter to you. ANDREW: Mm-hmm. Yeah. The experience of it.  MAL: Yeah, you can never tell somebody else what peanut butter tastes like. ANDREW: Mm-hmm.  MAL: You can taste it then and then from then on you will forever and always [00:33:30] know what peanut butter tastes like. And that is, you know, exponentially different from knowing what goes into it. ANDREW: Mm-hmm.  MAL: And, and so, in a spiritual and in a magical sense, then, gnosis is [00:33:45] that experience, just like we were talking about, that experience that comes from doing certain things.  ANDREW: Mm-hmm. MAL: You know, and, and it's specifically that experience that can only come from doing certain [00:34:00] things as opposed to just reading about them. Whether that's a, you know, an in esoterica or spiritual, religious, and, and oftentimes those are blended. You know, you can read about an experience [00:34:15] of the divine. Or you can have it. I think one of the most underappreciated esoteric texts out there is by St. John Chrysostom, in defense of the hesacasts. So hesacasts, heretic [00:34:30] Orthodox, not heretic but almost, near heretic Orthodox sect, who practiced hesachasm, this, this mystical combination of the Jesus prayer kind of a yoga position and breathing [00:34:45] technique that they said would allow you to experience the energies of the divine.  ANDREW: Hmm.  MAL: In fact, you know, advanced practitioners of this were said to literally physically glow, like they would just glow in the dark. And this got [00:35:00] a lot of bishops' panties in a twist and John Chrysostom wrote this brilliant defense of them, basically laying out theologically why this, this theosis, this knowing of [00:35:15] God is not heretical. You know, they're not saying they can know God, because you can't wrap a finite mind around an infinite thing, but you can experience, right? Can you hear that humming right now?  ANDREW: [00:35:30] No, from your side? No.  MAL: Yeah, so, my mic, I'm going to flick it real quick. [thump] I fixed it. Sorry, I've got a loose connector there. ANDREW: Uh huh. MAL: But, you can experience it. You can have an experience of it and he likened it to a number of different things. [00:35:45] One of them was, you know, sitting in a ray of sunshine: you know it, you can experience it. It's not all of it. Nobody's saying it is. But that, that's gnosis to me, [00:36:00] that experience.  ANDREW: So, let's, I'm gonna ask you a really unfair question. Okay? MAL: Okay. Sure.  ANDREW: So, how do people determine what is different [00:36:15] between an authentic gnosis with something, with a spirit, with god, with wherever, and a more [00:36:30] psychological, or, you know, even intellectualized engagement with it, you know? Because there's so many people who have experiences of different things, and you know, going back to your, your Zen stuff [00:36:45] and to your Tibetan stuff. There are very clear things that are markers, right? For what's an authentic experience, you know, and I even remember when I was in the Aurum Solis, I came to my teacher and I was like, I had this, I had this experience [00:37:00] with one of the archangels, and they showed up in this way. And he's like, "Great," and then he pulls out a piece of paper and shows like, pulls out a book from his notes about it and shows me what I saw. He's like, that's, that's [00:37:15] because you're, you've moved beyond your own cognitive stuff being in the way of that connection.  MAL: Yeah. ANDREW: You know? So, how do people know that, though? How do people even begin to work with that if this is a new idea for [00:37:30] them? MAL: You know, it's, the easiest way is having a teacher, right? ANDREW: Sure. MAL: There's the famous story of Gampopa and Milarepa, his, the yogi Milarepa, who was Gampopa's meditation [00:37:45] teacher and at that time, you know, the Tibetans generally don't meditate in groups. They don't do silent meditation. They get the instruction. They go away, they practice, then they come back. And Gampopa came to his, Milarepa after some time practicing, [00:38:00] and he's like, "I don't know what's going on, but I'm beset by devils constantly. This is what . . ." And Milarepa was like, "Just chill out, keep doing the practice, that that'll all go away." A few months later, Gampopa comes back again, and he was like, "Teacher, you're, you're so right. It's amazing. [00:38:15] All the devils were chased off. Now. I'm visited constantly by angels and dakinis and it's just wonderful and it's bliss." And Milarepa was like, "Uh huh, that's cool. Just keep practicing, that will go away."  ANDREW: Sure.  MAL: You know, having that that teacher that can that can guide you . . . [00:38:30] You know, in Buddhism, especially in Tibetan Buddhism, emptiness, shunyata, big deal, and having an experience of emptiness is a big deal. Like this is [00:38:45] one of the major mileposts and the literature is just scattered with warnings about, you know, don't intellectualize this, don't intellectualize this, because [00:39:00] when you do, when you get an idea in your head of what that experience is, you reify it and then you're stuck, right? You're stuck with that idea. And you think "Oh, I have had this experience and therefore . . ." You know, and without [00:39:15] sort of that external verification by somebody else who's been there, right? Without talking about Cincinnati with somebody who's also been there, you know and confirm: Yes. Absolutely. I know exactly the street corner you're talking about, or you know, whatever, you can easily [00:39:30] be led astray.  How, how does somebody working on their own do this? Well, that's tough, you know, at that point, I think you have to, [00:39:45] I think initially approach, you know, unverified personal gnosis, UPG, with skepticism. ANDREW: Yeah. MAL: You know, I think that has to be the default when you're on your own, no matter how amazingly lifelike and 3D [00:40:00] this apparition was, or like, initially approach it with some degree of skepticism, keeping in your mind, well, this could just be wishful thinking or this could be, you know, whatever, [00:40:15] and then give it time, right? If it was a teaching, if it was a practice, if it . . . Does it bear out? ANDREW: Yeah. MAL: Are there, are there, are there are external things that coincide with it? If you . . . You know, you're given a vision of this, you know, amazing new practice [00:40:30] and then the very next day somebody randomly starts talking to you about, you know, a symbol which is exactly like the linchpin for that practice or, you know, you know, somebody brings you something that you [00:40:45] specifically need in order to . . . You know, you look for confirmation still from outside, even if it's not from a specific like teacher in a lineage of a thing . . . ANDREW: Mm-hmm. MAL: You're still looking for that external confirmation. [00:41:00] And it may not be for years and years and years that all of a sudden something happens and then it clicks and you're like, oh my God, I had that dream, you know, three years ago about this and then here is this . . . [00:41:15] Holy crap. This is a, you know, okay, then you go with it. But no, if otherwise, if somebody shows up and just says, "hey, you're the chosen one," or you know, you're yet another incarnation of Alistair, or you know, whatever, [00:41:30] you know, maybe keep that in your back pocket. ANDREW: Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I think that that time will tell, right? MAL: Yeah. ANDREW: Time will tell. We'll see if this holds the test of time, for sure. MAL: Right, you know, and you can have, I think, amazing personal experiences that are meaningful [00:41:45] to you.  ANDREW: Mm-hmm. MAL: That you never say anything to anyone about or do anything with. And that's okay.  ANDREW: Mm-hmm. MAL: They don't have to be huge revelations. Or they don't have to be, you know, even if it was something that was just the product of your own mind, [00:42:01] maybe it's useful to you. But again, yeah, I think that in order to tell the difference between genuine, a genuine experience of gnosis, like that, yeah, it's external confirmation. ANDREW: And so, [00:42:16] that brings back sort of one of the other questions that I wanted to check in about: what role does lineage play, for you, in all of these things? I mean, I know in my Lukumi lineage, you know, lineage is everything. You know? I mean [00:42:31] you are, you are, in that, in my tradition, you are initiated into the lineage. MAL: Right. ANDREW: You know, lineage becomes your family, and, and that changes so many different dynamics because of it. You know, it's not just like, it's not just [00:42:46] about the information that was passed from person to person, but it's actually the license to practice certain things, the requirement to practice them in a certain way in accordance with lineage, and a connection to all of those spirits who carried that [00:43:01] lineage forward, you know? MAL: Right. ANDREW: So it's a, it's a very living dynamic thing. What role does lineage play for you? And, and what do you see as its sort of values and challenges? You know?  MAL: Wow. [00:43:17] I'm going to cheat and refer back to something that I wrote a while ago. ANDREW: Which is always welcome.  MAL: Okay, cool. I tend to think in terms of three different kinds of lineage for any organization.  ANDREW: Yeah. MAL: Physical lineage, [00:43:33] practice lineage, and, you know, ultimate or primordial lineage, right? Which, so, and what do I mean by these? The physical lineage is just the people, the stuff, right? The boots on the ground, the people doing the thing, the [00:43:48] buildings, the, you know, the institution. The practice lineage is the stuff they tell you to do. Right? These are the, these are the teachings that ideally have been, you know, tried, [00:44:03] tested, passed on, initiatory aspects of initiatory power, right? That are meant to facilitate things. Obeah or apostolic succession. These are all conferrals of a power [00:44:18] meant to facilitate something. Sorry. I'm going to thump the mic here again. ANDREW: I think you might be picking up on the, someone's running a shop vac or something downstairs. I'm also hearing that in the background.  MAL: [00:44:33] Then I'll trust it's on your end and not mine.  ANDREW: Yeah.  MAL: So, yeah, the practice lineage there. And then the primordial lineage is what you're ultimately connecting to via these three things, [00:44:48] right? So, the physical lineage exists primarily to transmit to the people it brings in. The practice lineage, which then facilitates connection to the [00:45:03] primordial lineage. And, you know, the first two exist ultimately . . . They function only to the point that they do those things, right? If at any point a physical institution loses its connection [00:45:18] to the primordial lineage, they're dead. Right? It's just a, it's a fossil. It's a club. It's a, it's, you know, it's cosplay or whatever. If the practices [00:45:34] no longer facilitate connecting you to that primordial lineage, then they're not doing their thing, right? They don't work anymore.  But then once that connection to the primordial lineage is made, at that [00:45:49] point, new practice lineages and new physical lineages can be instituted. Without that connection, they can't be. You know, this is, this is one of those things that, like in Buddhism, people, [00:46:04] there's this idea from people outside of it. For example, tons of sutra is attributed to the Buddha, but he, you know, we know historically he didn't say these things. The Buddha didn't write that. The Lotus Sutra isn't taught by the . . . But no, technically, yeah, he did, because [00:46:19] within . . . You know, the game rules of Buddhism state [chuckling] that there is only one Enlightenment, right? Buddha means awakened. Once you have had that experience, right, once you're connected [00:46:34] to that primordial lineage, there's no difference between you and Siddhartha Gautama, right? So, if you have legitimately had that experience within the game rules, you can write something today and [00:46:49] say this is a text by the Buddha.  ANDREW: Mmm. MAL: And that's, you know, 100% legit. There are institutions [00:47:06] where I think you can bypass some of this, but I find them to be so phenomenally rare. Right? The person that just [00:47:21] stumbles upon either a practice lineage that works to connect them to a primordial lineage, or, or, you know . . . Okay, a big example of this, you know, with what I'm doing now, apostolic [00:47:36] succession is a huge thing. Right? There is a conferral of authority and power with that, without which, none of the other sacraments will be there. Period. Full stop. Yet, [00:47:51] within broader Christianity, very few people question the legitimacy of Paul as an apostle. Because in the middle of his, you know, previous [00:48:06] life as a, and I don't know if you can hear the air quotes I put around that, [chuckles] as a, you know, assassin for hire, he had this vision, on, was it, the [00:48:21] the road to Emmaus? [He means Damascus. The road to Emmaus is where Jesus appeared after his resurrection.] I think. Anyway, he had this vision of Christ and he converted and now he's an apostle.  ANDREW: Mm-hmm. MAL: And I think most, most people in the broader Christian world: "Okay, we'll accept that." You won't find any apostolic lineages, [00:48:36] I believe, tracing themselves back to Paul. I'd be surprised if you did, but you know, nobody lists him as an apostle with an asterisk by his name, kind of thing. ANDREW: Right. MAL: But you also then don't hear about this happening [00:48:51] all the damn time.  ANDREW: Mm-hmm. MAL: You know, nobody spontaneously . . . Well, damn it, okay. The gnostic revival in France in the 19th century, [laughing] Jules Doinel. Yeah. Okay, he claimed it. But then, even [00:49:06] he went on to get actual apostolic succession. So. You know, I think it's rare. It's more rare than people think.  ANDREW: I think there's a big difference between a connection to spirit, [00:49:23] you know, and even a spirit that might have, you know, like, you know, I mean, I'm certainly not the reincarnation of Crowley, but perhaps, perhaps I could connect to his spirit in a way, and his, his Spirit could act as [00:49:38] a guide and an animating force in my work, you know?  MAL: Absolutely, yeah. ANDREW: I'm not saying that that happens per se, but, but that could happen. And that is not uncommon, you know. MAL: Right. ANDREW: [00:49:53] Like there, there are lots of things you know, where . . . MAL: But, when those things do happen . . .  ANDREW: Yeah.  MAL: But when that does happen, there's a lot that preceded that.  ANDREW: Yes. MAL: Right? It doesn't, it doesn't happen to, you know, the random grocery [00:50:08] store clerk who has, you know, never even picked up a copy of book four, or you know, whatever. Right? ANDREW: For sure. And, but that experience is also not necessarily the same as the experience of the [00:50:23] connection to that primordial, you know, energy or the current even though if I was connecting to Crowley, I'm connecting to you know, the prophet of Thelema, that doesn't mean that I'm actually connected [00:50:38] to that step behind that, you know? MAL: Right. Right. ANDREW: And I think that . . . I think that's also an interesting distinction, you know, and that's where lineage and traditional initiation facilitate that.  MAL: Mm-hmm. ANDREW: You know, because you may connect to that current, possibly, as you [00:50:53] say, there are examples, but I think there's a big difference between connecting to a spirit that engages your work and guides you and something sort of one step further beyond that into that lineage, that [00:51:08] deeper force, you know? MAL: Right. And, and access to one aspect of a lineage also doesn't necessarily confer access to another aspect of lineage. So, for, you know, I have [00:51:23] apostolic succession via the episcopi vagantes, you know, right, the wandering bishops. And we may trace our lineage, you know, even up into, you know popes in Rome, but that doesn't make me [00:51:38] a Roman Catholic bishop. Right, that's the physical institution, and even though I might have access to both primordial or, you know, both practice and primordial lineage there, that grants me absolutely no standing whatsoever in the physical, you [00:51:54] know, lineage kind of thing, which is something I think a lot of people tend to forget, especially in the independent sacramental movement. They tend to not get that these things are [00:52:09] . . . They're disparate. They're separate. They're discrete things. Yes. Generally they're connected and hopefully, you know, if you get involved in one, it is, but yeah, if you stumble across it, if you just happen to meet up with some guy in [00:52:24] a, you know, hotel bar in Ontario and get, this sounds so bad now that I'm saying it out loud, get invited back up to his hotel room to get consecrated as a bishop one night . . . [laughing] Great. [00:52:39] You know, that doesn't mean, you know, you can show up at the Vatican and be like, you know, where's my room?  ANDREW: Like, yeah, that dude. He initiated 50 people that week. Come on!  MAL: [laughing] Right? [00:52:54] Yeah. So. It's, you know, lineage is, lineage is important. And, you know, I'm sure you could make the case that even though I'm breaking it down into three different things that you could say, well, they're really all the different aspects of the same thing, [00:53:09] and you could probably break it down even, you know, you could break it into four different aspects or two or whatever. But you know, in general, I think, for those three reasons at least, lineage is important, especially [00:53:24] in religious, spiritual, and, and esoteric bodies wherein the point is connection with something higher, with that primordial aspect. If, you know, if the point is just [00:53:39] education, then, you know, lineage is, you know, by-the-book kind of. Like the modern grimoire revival. There's no living lineage, you know, Solomonic lineage that's [00:53:54] passing this kind of thing . . . No, it's: you find the book, you, as best you can, decipher what the hell they're talking about.  ANDREW: Uh-huh.  MAL: You do it as best you can and you hope like hell you have an experience similar to what they said you're going to have. And that's [00:54:09] kind of it. The book, at that point, is the lineage until, you know, you make that connection. The book then is the practice lineage. There is no physical institution, you know, physical aspect of it. And then, you know, hopefully you do the practice until [00:54:24] you get that that connection that then continues in your work. You know, I think a physical institution could happen, but it's not necessary. So I guess even in that [00:54:39] sense, there is a lineage or just accessing it through the information that's passed on through both having the right book, having the, the brains to figure out what the hell it's saying, and then having the guts to follow through and do what it's saying. [00:54:54]  ANDREW: Yeah, I mean I tend to look at some of that stuff as more, more technological, right?  MAL: Mm-hmm.  ANDREW: Like, I mean more in that second realm of the practice.  MAL: Yeah. ANDREW: Than the lineage, because I think [00:55:09] that you can, to some extent, plug some of that into whatever lineage you, you might have access to, right? Or whatever sort of primordial elements you would have access to, you know? MAL: Right. ANDREW: When I was very interested in those kinds of things, [00:55:25] you know, I was, I was not interested in the Golden Dawn. I was very interested in Thelema. And, so I would just go through and swap out all the words, you know, the words that weren't Thelemic for words that were Thelemic and do work in that direction, [00:55:40] and then use that, that sort of connection to that primordial juice and that piece of it to you know, you know, call up whomever and be like, hey, listen, by the power of Babylon you're going to do this, or whatever . . . MAL: [laughing] ANDREW: You know, and, and [00:55:55] I think that's possible, because it's, it becomes, the grimoire stuff can be more technological maybe than sort of lineage-based necessarily.  MAL In general, I tend to think tech is tech. [00:56:10] But you know, then again there are lineages where, without having the appropriate lineage, it doesn't matter what knowledge or information you have, it's not gonna work, or it's not going to work the way you want it to. You know, when you look at, [00:56:25] you know, Tibetan Buddhist magic, or just Tibetan Buddhist practice, you know, if, if you're, if you don't have the empowerment of a particular deity, the practice is at best ineffectual [00:56:40] and at worst dangerous, because you're in effect, you know, trying to contact these, these powerful personalities and they don't know who the hell you are.  ANDREW: Right. MAL: Right? It would be, it [00:56:55] would be like showing up at, I don't know, pick a, pick a powerful, a famous powerful person who could be dangerous to you. I immediately, I don't want to make this political, I immediately think Trump. [laughing] [00:57:10] Not that you can, anybody, I don't, you know what? I'm not even going to go there. Um, but yeah, you pick a person with temporal power. All right, prime minister of Canada, Justin Trudeau. He seems like a really nice guy. [00:57:25] Right? I mean everybody in Canada seems so super nice to us here in the hinterlands, but I bet as nice as he is, if I went to Canada, and I saw him on the street, if I came running up to [00:57:40] him at full tilt saying, hey Justin, let me . . . You know, trying to get . . . I'm thinking there's some people that would tackle me to the ground.  ANDREW: Exactly. Yeah. MAL: You know, and so, you know, the empowerment, that connection to that lineage at that point is the facilitation of that contact, right? It's somebody [00:57:55] coming in who has that connection, somebody who's saying, hey, you know what? Let me introduce you to my good friend, Mr. Trudeau. ANDREW: Mm-hmm.  MAL: And then, once they facilitated the introduction and we've shared a couple of drinks or whatever, at that point, you know, I can then, you know, wave from him [00:58:10] from across the street and maybe he'll remember me and then we bump into each other, you know, that sort of thing.  ANDREW: Sure.  MAL: And, and I'm absolutely convinced that Tibetan Buddhism can't be the only place where something like that is, is [00:58:25] required, where if you don't have the hook-up, if you don't have the official connection to that lineage through the prescribed means, you know, best of luck to you.  ANDREW: Yeah, yeah. Something might happen, but who's [00:58:40] to say what it is and yeah, how it's going to go.  MAL: Yeah. And whether or not you wanted it! [chuckling] ANDREW: Exactly, exactly, for sure. So, we've been, we've been chatting for a long time, because this has been really lovely, and I want to ask you one more question before we wrap it up though. [00:58:55]  MAL: Sure. ANDREW: Because there's one other thing we haven't gotten to, which I was delightfully enjoying on your Facebook, which is these various statements of gnostic belief, [00:59:10] you know, or the sort of, you know, where you're discussing how you believe in, you know, this, the fallen angel, and the energy that comes with that, and how you believe in Christ in this way, and how you believe [00:59:25] in, you know what I mean? If we think about the apostles' creed, we have a very clear example of a statement in that direction, but you know, all sorts of traditions have their own. But your seemingly contradictory, [00:59:41] from some people's perspective, ideas about the nature of the universe, really both sort of tickled my fancy . . . MAL: [chuckles] ANDREW:  And, [laughing] if that's, if that's not a weird thing to say and reflected [00:59:56] a bunch of my own kind of contradictory or apparently contradictory notions about it. So I'm curious what, what you were looking to do as you were expressing that and sort of what kinds of beliefs you have around, [01:00:11] you know, the nature of the universe in that kind of construct.  MAL: In general, I have a very dim view of belief. [laughing] I think they're very dangerous things, people ought to stop having them. ANDREW: Uh-huh. MAL: [01:00:27] And when I post that . . . I think one of the worst things that ever happened to the world was--and this is ironic, I think, coming from me--is Christianity and its emphasis on creeds. You know, Christianity was weird for any number of things, when it arrived on the [01:00:42] scene, but one of the things that it was most weird for was that it was a creedal religion. It was, you know, it pivoted around what people believe as opposed to what people did. It wasn't performative. And, you know, this idea of having right belief [01:00:57] then is something that came into play and, you know, I think history has shown us what a dangerous thing requiring right belief can be. ANDREW: Sure. MAL: And then determining that. When I post [01:01:12] shit like that, and I feel absolutely justified in calling it that, a lot of times it's just to kind of work out for myself what's been bouncing around in my head, what's going on at the time, [01:01:27] and also looking for a little bit of that sort of external verification, right? If everybody responded with a what are you on? or did you not sleep last night? or is that . . . You know, then I know, okay, this is maybe a little bit out there, but then when I get responses [01:01:42] like, you know, that really tickled my fancy, or you know, that's a sign that, okay, you know, maybe, maybe I might have figured a little bit of something out, or maybe I might have glimpsed a little bit of something here. And I think [01:01:57] having creeds that don't fit together nicely works together well for me. And by creed, you know, having beliefs that are paradoxical, that, that aren't, you know, that are sometimes juxtaposed [01:02:12] against each other, is beneficial. I mean, it goes back to, I think what I was talking about with my own sort of practice, where you know, you take these two disparate things, you take these two different books, two diametrically opposed . . . See what comes out of it. [01:02:27] See what, see what you make from it. And I think a lot of times, the thing that makes something paradoxical is really just a limitation of our language. ANDREW: Sure. MAL: You know, [01:02:43] I get a lot of, I think I get the most push back, for example, with the Church of Light and Shadow, which is, you know, my newest endeavor, because I talk about the morning star and people [01:02:58] are like, well, okay, you seem to be implying that this is both Jesus and Lucifer, which is it? And I'm kind of like well, yeah, you know, we have this tradition that Lucifer is the Fallen Angel. However, [01:03:14] there's only one figure in the Bible who ever identified themselves as the Morning Star.  ANDREW: Mmm.  MAL: That's Christ in the Book of Revelation. ANDREW: Sure. MAL: You know, and the more I sat with that and their specific [01:03:29] roles and functions, especially the. you know, not, not the, not the Satan of you know, the HaSatan or you know of, the opposer of . . . ANDREW: Or Anton LaVey.  MAL: Right. Yeah, but this . . . [01:03:44] more the Lucifer of Milton and Dante, and, you know, the very popular romantic Promethean myth of Lucifer that we have today. That is very much a Christ figure [01:03:59] when you look at the role that Christ played. Right? Christ did not show up and be like, "You know, what? All right, everybody just do what the temple priests say, and follow . . ." You know, he was very much an ego-driven [01:04:16] individual. I mean, we can consider the gospels as spurious as we would like as far as whether or not this figure, Jesus, actually said these things. But the [01:04:31] one thing that you know, like when you get to, like the Jesus scholars, that came together and try to figure out well, what's most likely that he said? One of the things that they had pinpointed as most likely coming from Jesus, based on what we know of the context, and what got passed . . . [01:04:47] His doing away with the old law and saying, "A new law I give to you," right? "Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and love your neighbor as yourself." [01:05:03]  And what people gloss over here is, it's not saying, love your neighbor, which by that he means that everybody, right, love everybody else. He's not saying love them more than yourself. He's not saying debase yourself before . . . He's saying love them [01:05:19] as yourself. And if you don't love yourself a great deal, you're gonna be shitty at loving anybody else.  ANDREW: Mm-hmm. MAL: You know, how Luciferian is that? You know, he . . . [01:05:34] And so looking at these two figures in that way, looking at them both as, as light bringers . . . You know, in fact, it was really, it was not until I looked at [01:05:50] the gospels and teaching of, teachings of Jesus from a Luciferian perspective, that they really started to make sense to me. ANDREW: Mm-hmm. MAL: Does that make sense?  ANDREW: It does. It does, for sure.  MAL: And so, I think there's, [01:06:05] there's, there's definitely something there, and this, this perspective is not new. I did not make this up. ANDREW: Sure. MAL: This idea of having a, you know, a sacramental Christian Church practicing [01:06:20] folk magic is also not new, you know, magic and Christianity have been tied together for as long as they're . . .  ANDREW: Catholics everywhere. Right?  MAL: Right. Yeah. I mean, I think I commented recently on Facebook that you know, if you're not ready to accept that Christianity [01:06:35] is a weird necromantic cult, then you're not ready to study church history.  ANDREW: Yeah. MAL: But when looking around for this, you know, for something that really embodied and [01:06:50] embraced that, I couldn't find it. There's nothing, you know, like there's, there's, there's nothing out there. There are Catholic witches that are, you know, going to mass, and you know, practicing in private or in secret, [01:07:05] and there are Christian witches, but there's no organization that's embracing both of these things. And the more I kept looking for this, and the more I kept posting, you know, both things like, you know what? I believe this and I believe this and the more [01:07:20] feedback I kept getting from people saying, you know, yeah. Yeah, me too! Where's that from? This ought to be a thing! ANDREW: Mm-hmm. MAL: And you know, I'm a firm believer that we have enough independent apostolic [01:07:35] Christian churches running around. I don't know how familiar you are with the independent sacramental movement, but in general, you know, you end up with jurisdictions of one, somebody belongs to a church long enough to get consecrated a bishop. [01:07:50] And then they're out of there so they can go do things the right way. ANDREW: They had a great experience while they were in Vegas from somebody they met in the bar.  MAL: [chuckling] Right? Next thing, you know, then they're off.  ANDREW: Yeah. MAL: You know, and so, I get in trouble, I get [01:08:05] people in the independent sacramental movement angry with me when I tell them, you know, look, if it's really about the mission, like you say it is, you would stop what you're doing, find a larger church that's actually already doing this, and doing it a lot better because they've got the bodies [01:08:20] and the resources, and you'd join them, you're doing this just for the title. And so I was, I was loathe to start yet another church. ANDREW: Mm-hmm. MAL: You know.  ANDREW: Well, and I think just before [01:08:35] you move past that point, too . . . MAL: Yeah. ANDREW: And I think there's also value in doing a thing like becoming a bishop for yourself.  MAL: Oh, absolutely. Yeah. That's great too. ANDREW: You know, I mean, many many Orisha practitioners become priests for their own [01:08:50] well-being, you know, and that's fantastic, but be clear about that, and then go from there, you know.  MAL: Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely, you know, I went for years ordaining people and limiting their faculties. [01:09:05] So, when you're ordained a priest, you receive faculties or permissions from the bishop that tells you what you can and can't do, basically. And I would ordain esoteric practitioners who just [01:09:20] wanted that, that plug into apostolic succession for their own spiritual and magical practice. And I would, you know, I would tell them well, okay, great, but without any sort of pastoral education, I'm not going to license you [01:09:35] to do any sort of pastoral work. [laughs] You don't get to go start a church, you can say mass in your home privately, that sort of thing, that's fine. Just go be a private priest. And it took a lot to move me away from that [01:09:50] and, and decide, okay, you know what? I think I am. I think there's enough momentum around this to do something about it, to found it. I'm a firm believer in, if you have an idea for something great, and nobody else has done or is [01:10:05] doing it, maybe that's a sign it's supposed to be you. And after poking around and getting enough encouragement, I decided all right, screw it, we're going to do it. But if we're going to do it, this is how it's going to happen.  ANDREW: You'

Glitch Bottle Podcast
#060 - Dirt Sorcery and Six Ways with Aidan Wachter | Glitch Bottle

Glitch Bottle Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 20, 2019 86:00


What is ‘ur-sorcery’ or ‘dirt sorcery’? How can magicians practically work with visions, sigils, intentions and ritual to bring about effective magical change and access other realms to work with spirits and energies? Why is it important to never forget working with the body? The esoterically-awesome Aidan Wachter - author, talismanic jeweler and dirt sorcerer - stops by the podcast to share on all these issues, answer your Glitch Bottle Patron questions and more!Get ‘Six Ways’ and learn more: http://www.aidanwachter.com/sixwaysCheck out Aidan’s talismanic jewelery: http://www.aidanwachter.com/storeCHeck out Aidan’s music: https://aidanwachter.bandcamp.com/Become a Glitch Bottle Patron! ✅►https://www.patreon.com/glitchbottle

Glitch Bottle Podcast
#060 - Dirt Sorcery and Six Ways with Aidan Wachter | Glitch Bottle

Glitch Bottle Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 20, 2019 86:00


What is ‘ur-sorcery’ or ‘dirt sorcery’? How can magicians practically work with visions, sigils, intentions and ritual to bring about effective magical change and access other realms to work with spirits and energies? Why is it important to never forget working with the body? The esoterically-awesome Aidan Wachter - author, talismanic jeweler and dirt sorcerer - stops by the podcast to share on all these issues, answer your Glitch Bottle Patron questions and more!Get ‘Six Ways’ and learn more: http://www.aidanwachter.com/sixwaysCheck out Aidan’s talismanic jewelery: http://www.aidanwachter.com/storeCHeck out Aidan’s music: https://aidanwachter.bandcamp.com/Become a Glitch Bottle Patron! ✅►https://www.patreon.com/glitchbottle

Secret Door Podcast
Episode 26 Practical Magic: Intuitive Practices With Six Ways Author Aidan Wachter

Secret Door Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 31, 2019 58:03


Author Aidan Wachter is here today on the podcast to talk about his magical practices from his book Six Ways. We discuss many elements, such as meditation, sigils and candle magic in this interview.  Aidan's Website:http://www.aidanwachter.com/Aidan's Book: http://www.aidanwachter.com/sixways In part two, our Patreon exclusive interview, we discuss ancestral magic, dirt sorcery, hexes and karma. To get that exclusive interview you can become a patreon at https://www.patreon.com/secretdoorpodcast   PODCAST AVAILABLE ON THE FOLLOWING LINKS: YOUTUBE:https://youtu.be/SUBGtYTFZBc iTUNES https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/secret-door-podcast/id1381461766 Stitcher:https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/extrasensory-production/esp-drawing-out-the-spirits?refid=stpr Google Play:https://play.google.com/music/podcasts/portal/#p:id=playpodcast/series&a=521225174Visit http://www.secretdoorpodcast.com  FOLLOW ON TWITTER www.twitter.com/secretdoorpodFollow On FB: https://www.facebook.com/secretdoorpodcast/Follow On Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/secretdoorpodcast/ Theme song Psychosis By Equinox Alien Party by Angel Garcia  

Adventures in Alchemy
181- Why Your Spells Don’t work

Adventures in Alchemy

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 29, 2019 31:21


The main issue with not achieving the results you desire is usually: Energy without action  or Action without energy   Other issues:  Neediness Watching the cauldron Shadow desires   Even more things you can consider: Magical timing Ritual space Opening & Closing a circle   Your experiment:  Create a spell or find a simple one online Align the energy Do the physical steps Forget about it Check in later on results—note everything you do in a book of shadows or journal of some type   Links From the show:   Two books that I mention:   1001 Spells: The Complete Book of Spells for Every Purpose by   Cassandra Eason –(paid Amazon Affiliate link): https://amzn.to/2q4L8r2 Six Ways: Approaches & Entries for Practical Magic by Aidan Wachter—(paid Amazon Affiliate link): https://amzn.to/2BUofsV   Lucky Mojo:  a place where you can search all kinds of spells and info and they also sell books and occult supplies. https://www.luckymojo.com   I am not an affiliate, it’s just a great resource.   Glitch Bottle: I mentioned this podcast in the episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/glitch-bottle-podcast/id1235137914   Charm the Water: I, also, mention this podcast in the episode. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/charm-the-water/id1112403494   Daily Alchemy links: Here’s the link to my Magickal Amazon Storefront with links to my favorite magick and alchemy books (https://www.amazon.com/shop/michelledobbins) As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.  You can find out more about that on my storefront.   Find me at https://dailyalchemy.com   Pre-order your Moon & Magick 2020 Planner: https://dailyalchemyemporium.com/products/moon-magick-planner-13-moons-of-2019   Find me on the socials: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MichelleDobbinsAuthor/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/michellemartindobbins/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/MichelleDobbins

Inciting A Riot
Episode 128: Inciting Aidan Wachter's Riot

Inciting A Riot

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 26, 2019 71:11


Episode 128 of Inciting A Riot: the Podcast is a riveting interview with author, artist, and jeweler Aidan Wachter. We discuss his phenomenal first book, Six Ways, as well as what it means to be a Pagan, Artist, Pagan Artist, and interacting professionally with the Pagan community.  Also, I discuss a bit about where I've been, why I took a hiatus, and the benefits of self-care. Support Pagan media! Consider giving a small donation to Patreon.com/IncitingProjects! You’ll get cool rewards like unedited video and audio podcasts from Inciting A Riot and Inciting A BrewHaHa, as well as bonus extras not published anywhere else, plus deals and coupons! Patrons are charged on a per-creation basis, so you only pay for the content you want! Love and Lyte, Fire Lyte Blog: IncitingARiot.com FireLyte@IncitingARiot.com @IncitingARiot on Twitter Facebook.com/IncitingARiotPodcast Subscribe/Rate/Comment on iTunes: http://bit.ly/iTunesRiot

Weird Web Radio
Episode 40 - Laura Tempest Zakroff Talking Modern Traditional Witchcraft, Sigils, Events, and The Liminal

Weird Web Radio

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 16, 2019 69:02


Welcome to Weird Web Radio! This episode features Laura Tempest Zakroff! I found Laura by accident. I should've known her work, but somehow it flew under my radar. That was until I read a review of Weave the Liminal. That book hit me so hard and profound that it's now required reading for my own studnets. In fact, I titled my review of it on Amazon as "Excellece in Why Witchcraft." Here was my short review: "This book is all about mindset. Start with why and build.your craft. I loved this so much that it's now required reading for my students right next to Six Ways by Aidan Wachter." We cover everything from defining a Witch to creating events in this episode. You're guaranteed to get a method of sigil magic worth your time listening. Laura is funny, clever, brilliant, and a shining light for all in Witchcraft to find! Her official bio Laura Tempest Zakroff is a professional artist, author, dancer, designer, and Modern Traditional Witch. She is the author of the best-selling books Weave the Liminal and Sigil Witchery, as well as The Witch’s Cauldron, and the co-author of The Witch’s Altar. Laura blogs for Patheos and Witches & Pagans, contributes to The Witches’ Almanac, Ltd, and edited The New Aradia: A Witch's Handbook to Magical Resistance. Her first oracle deck, The Liminal Spirits Oracle, will be available in Spring 2020. Visit her at www.LauraTempestZakroff.com. Places you can find Laura: Author Site - www.lauratempestzakroff.com Owlkeyme Arts - Design & Fine Art -www.owlkeyme.com Mago Djinn - Modern Folk Wear - www.magodjinn.com Buy Her Books: Amazon Want to know what Laura thinks about the afterlife and even what she may or may not want to do with her own remains? You'll also hear how Laura dealt with living in an abusive relationship as a Witch. Powerful and personal story! You'll find that and more in the members only bonus audio extended interview! Join here! Real quick! Do you want a Tarot Reading from an international award winning professional? Look no more! I'm here! Go to my site http://tarotheathen.com to reserve your reading today! You can also come join the Facebook discussion group here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/weirdwebradio/ New Instagram for Weird Web Radio! Follow for unique content and videos! https://www.instagram.com/weirdwebradio/ Is this show worth a dollar to you? How about five dollars? Help support this podcast! That gets you into the Weird Web Radio membership where the extra goodies appear! Join the membership at patreon.com/weirdwebradio or at weirdwebradio.com and click Join the Membership! SHOW NOTES:   SUBSCRIBE ON iTunes, Stitcher, and Spotify! Also streaming on mobile apps for podcasts! Intro voice over by Lothar Tuppan. Outro voice over by Lonnie Scott Intro & Outro Music by Nine Inch Nails on the album ‘7’, song title ‘Ghost’, under Creative Commons License.

The Hermit's Lamp Podcast - A place for witches, hermits, mystics, healers, and seekers

Andrew and Chaweon talk about the art of using glamour as a form of magic. This isn't an episode just for those who like make up or feel beautiful. It is about how to use things like makeup, hair, fashion and more as acts of magic to help create the things you want in life. We also talk about charm and how to cultivate. Finally, we talk at about Andrew's moustache.  Think about how much you've enjoyed the podcast and how many episodes you listened to, and consider if it is time to support the Patreon You can do so here. If you want more of this in your life you can subscribe by RSS , iTunes, Stitcher, or email. You can follow Chaweon on their YouTube channel of search hichaweon everywhere else.  Thanks for joining the conversation. Please share the podcast to help us grow and change the world.  Andrew You can book time with Andrew through his site here.  Transcription ANDREW: [00:00:00] Welcome to another episode of The Hermit's Lamp podcast. I am here with Chaweon to talk about magic and to talk about glamour and all sorts of interesting things. I've been following their work for a while, [00:00:15] and a little while ago, they were discussing how they were working glamour to forward their podcast and some of the other stuff in their lives, and I thought, yes, this is this is a topic that I really have been looking for a chance to talk about and this is the person [00:00:30] that I'd love to talk about it with! So, for those who don't know you yet, why don't you introduce yourself? Chaweon? CHAWEON: Oh, well, thank you for having me on your show. So, my name is Chaweon and I am Korean American, [00:00:45] and I started off in life as a hardcore atheist skeptic. I've only been doing magic for about two and a half three years, but, unknowingly, I've been doing glamour magic my whole life, and about [00:01:00] two years ago, I started to get more into magic and then that was about the time I started my YouTube channel. So my YouTube channel started off first as like a mukbang, which is the Korean word for like people just eating a massive obscene amount of food, but [00:01:15] then it slowly evolved into me talking to other magic practitioners. I was extremely lucky that Jason Miller, he was an early supporter of mine, and thanks [00:01:30] to the interview that I had with him, I was able to get other guests on I've had: Aidan Walker who you've had on many times . . .  ANDREW: Sure. CHAWEON: Loved his book and throughout my journey-- You can see on my YouTube channel, just with [00:01:45] each person that I talk to, I'm learning as I'm interviewing them. I'm not at all a very experienced witch, but it's me talking to them, trying to get their expertise, and using my glamour magic or [00:02:00] trying to use glamour magic on each video. Like my goal in my YouTube channel is, every video I want to look like 1% cuter.  ANDREW: Uh-huh.  CHAWEON: I mean the thing about glamour magic, especially when it's visual, is that you can tell when it works and you can tell when it doesn't work, the feedback is instant, [00:02:15] it's obvious, because it's visual, so that's kind of how I practice my magic through something as quote unquote mundane as doing a YouTube channel. ANDREW: I think it's great though. I think that. . . . You know, a long [00:02:30] time ago, I used to work in advertising, and, you know, I realized that, when I started wanting to freelance, that I needed to be way more charming than I actually had been, you know, and, and, and so, I [00:02:45] set it as a thing to work on, you know? And I did a little bit of magic around it for sure, and I did a lot of like, all right, every time I went in in public, where's my opportunity to be to be [00:03:00] charming to somebody and how do I pursue that, you know? And just motion that comfort zone all the time, and then, after a while, you know, it didn't take, didn't even take as long as I thought, you know? It's just started to switch into this capacity to drop [00:03:15] into different social situations and sort of find the right way to sort of be, to be myself, but would be within those spaces as well, you know, so.  CHAWEON: I think you're very charming.  ANDREW: Well, thank you.  CHAWEON: No, I think that's what [00:03:30] a lot of people get wrong about glamour magic. They think that it's, you know, faking a persona. They think that-- And I call that faux glamour, F-A-U-X glamour, because, you know, it's almost like a pretending, [00:03:45] almost like you're on Instagram and you're pretending you're in Paris when you're not and pretending to have a great life when your life isn't that great. That's not glamour magic. That's faux glamour and I consider that actually a type of black magic the advertising world, the marketing world tries [00:04:00] to put on people to make them feel bad, but real glamour magic--you can tell when somebody has real glamour magic because in their presence, you feel warm, you feel accepted, you feel empowered, just by being around them. And [00:04:15] so that's how you know, when you go onto an Instagram account and you feel like “my life is shit” after seeing their Instagram account. That's faux glamour. When you go on somebody's Instagram account and you feel great after you see their pictures, even if they're super beautiful. They're living a super [00:04:30] amazing life. And you feel great about yourself. That's how you know, they're doing real glamour magic. ANDREW: How did you learn this stuff? Where did that-- I mean you talked about, you know, you've been doing it in one way your whole life, right? But where [00:04:45] did, where did the, not necessarily the transition from atheist to witch, but the transition from, you know, not being conscious of what you were doing as glamour magic to being conscious of it. How was that transition? How did that come about? CHAWEON: [00:05:02] That's a really good question. I think that all women and all people of color and people who are not on, you know, like the either/or spectrum all their life: They do have to practice some sort of glamour magic [00:05:17] because they're trying to make themselves more palatable to the mainstream so that they can survive. So I think as a woman, as a person of color, as somebody who considers myself gender-fluid, I always had to do glamour magic, but when [00:05:32] I became conscious of it, was literally when I did my YouTube channel and the feedback that I was getting, like when I was doing my YouTube channel, people were saying things to me that were very complimentary.  And I realized that this [00:05:47] wasn't like a natural talent that I had in terms of like, I'm not somebody who you can put in front of a camera and I like, no, you know, I'm not like this inborn actress. I don't have that going on, and yet I couldn't deny that when I looked at the video I was just like, [00:06:02] “Girl, you know, either the sun is like hitting you right or something like that, I don't know what's going on, but there's something there.”  And so that's when I started to study the YouTube videos and and I was just like, you know what? I think this [00:06:17] is glamour magic, I wasn't sure, but I was like, “I think that's what glamour magic is,” and then I started to experiment like, “What happens if when I look in the camera, I bring this like energy up?” And I don't know how else to describe it, but it's like what [00:06:32] happens if I bring this energy up to my eyes and then I looked at the videos, just like holy shit. I can see it. So I think it was literally like two years ago. I was like, “Oh, okay, I'm doing this.” ANDREW: Yeah, that piece about, you [00:06:48] know, sort of the way in which you manage your presence around it, I think that that's really profound. You know, when you find that, when you can figure out where that is, then people are super [00:07:04] receptive to that. You know, I used to officiate weddings at one point and it was one of the things that I always sort of did on the day of, right, you know, basically from the time I [00:07:19] showed up and was hanging out with a couple before the wedding to like the actual ceremony, you know? I wouldn't usually stick around afterwards, but even afterwards for a little bit, you know, just having that presence and sort of seeing everybody from [00:07:34] that place and providing that energy to it, you know? And on the days where, you know, for whatever reasons, maybe I didn't vibe with the couple as well, maybe I was just really tired, that was harder. You could see it, you know, everybody [00:07:49] could see it, right, and those were the ones where it felt more like a performance versus an actual connection and engagement. CHAWEON: Absolutely, and that's the reason why I consider glamour magic to be one of the most sophisticated types [00:08:04] of magic, because you have to be so self-aware, you have to do lots of shadow work. You have to be also kind of aware of yourself in the context of others. So you're working on so many different levels. You have to be authentic, but you also have to be, [00:08:19] you know, just aware of how you are with just society and the realistic aspects of, “Okay, this is what society is like right now: How far can I push it, further my agenda, without getting completely like killed?”  But [00:08:34] I think also that the thing about glamour magic too is that it's very democratic and it's a meritocracy. So the thing is, is that I think a lot of people, a lot of women especially, they tell me: "Oh, you know, I don't [00:08:49] know how to do makeup. I don't know how to do this. I don't know how to do that. So I can't do glamour magic." And I'm like, no, that's not glamour magic at all because glamour magic is something that you can develop, anybody can develop. So again, it's like you don't have to be [00:09:04] mainstream beautiful. All you really need to have is a willingness to be completely authentic and that is a type of bravery that I think most people don't have. So just the fact that you can even entertain just being yourself means that you're already one [00:09:19] foot into glamour magic.  ANDREW: Yeah, being open and being present with people.  CHAWEON: Yeah. ANDREW: Like, that is a profound thing and that's the thing that isn't about what any of us look like.  CHAWEON: Yeah. ANDREW: Or any of those kinds of things. It's [00:09:34] about, you know, that inner state and that kind of inner coherence that we might have, right, if we're able to show up in that way, you know? And I think of it-- the Uber drivers that I have, you know, I live in a big city and I take a lot of Ubers, and you [00:09:50] know, some of those people are just so open and accessible and that's really charming, you know? That pulls me in and then there's the other people, you know, like my ride today, where they just sit and stare at the front window and driving, you know, the music's really like loud, and it's obvious they [00:10:05] don't want to talk, that's a completely different thing, and you know, in those situations, it's random whoever you get, but but in life, it's not, right? And so, if you are more in that first category of people then people are interested in, drawn to that more, [00:10:20] right? CHAWEON: Absolutely, and think about it: The Uber driver who is more accessible and open and makes you feel comfortable just in their vibe, they're more likely to get a bigger tip, and that's just for everybody, just any aspect of life, where you [00:10:35] want to be successful instead of faking it when you're just being you and you're just brave and you're just loving like everything about this human experience. It's not even good. Look. It's almost like because you're being you and you're bringing that out in other people. Your glamour [00:10:50] magic brings out the best in others and it's just this domino effect. So this is why, for me, this, you know, faking faux glamour is so dangerous because in today's world, that's what we see so much of and that's also [00:11:05] something that I want to make sure that people realize that is not glamour magic whatsoever.  ANDREW: Yeah, for sure, you know, and there are definitely people who cultivate that a lot too, right? You know, I run into them in various places, at conferences and [00:11:20] on the street and wherever, and you know, it's-- You can see that, what they're looking for. I mean the, that ultimately it's all ego, right? You know, it's just all their ego trying [00:11:35] to become the center of attention to, you know, it's got a sort of a narcissistic feel to it. There's not space in the connection for anybody else, often. You know, those are the sides that I see as being problematic, kind of like you talked about earlier, right? Like, [00:11:50] how do you feel after you spend time with them? Do you feel like, “Oh my God, I just hung out with a fancy person?” Or do you feel like, “Wow, what a what a great and fulfilling connection I just had.”  CHAWEON: Exactly, and faux glamour is about [00:12:05] hierarchy. It's this very, like, I don't know, like toxic, even if it's a woman doing faux glamour, it's a toxic lead masculine way of like trying to make yourself higher than another person, making things very binary, [00:12:20] making things less fluid, and to me, glamour magic is the epitome of like what very empowered feminine magic is about, and when you think about what does feminine healthy energy feel like, it's fluid. There [00:12:35] isn't hierarchy, you know, there's this watery depth to it. And that's what we're going for, the sort of like wonderful kind of like permeable sort of energy. And in that energy there is no room for I'm better than you, I [00:12:50] know more people than you, have more followers than you. There's no room for that. ANDREW: Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I think that, you know, it being tied to toxic masculinity, being tied to sort of capitalism and all that kind of consumerist [00:13:05] stuff, right? You know, I think that, that all of those pieces can-- because we've, you know, predominantly all grown up in those kinds of elements or around those elements, right? That's part of that going in [00:13:20] and exercising, you know, removing those things, basically being like, “Huh, that feels off, that feels like, that makes me feel grabby or greedy or competitive or this or that or whatever,” looking at [00:13:35] those feelings when they emerge, and you know, and then sort of saying: “Okay, well, what is that about me and where did I get that from and how do I, how to release that so I don't need to carry that with me into this process?” CHAWEON: Totally, [00:13:51] and I think that you know, people think that men can't glamour magic, but, you know, men can often benefit the most from this feminine fluid non-hierarchical type of magic that is glamour magic.  ANDREW: Sure. CHAWEON: And when you're around a man who's doing glamour [00:14:06] magic, right, again, it's that same warm wonderful feeling, it's not this, like, “Whose dick is bigger than whose?” you know? So again, it's like the kind of magic that I do is very makeup-centric. So it's very femme-centric, but there's lots of different [00:14:21] types of glamour magic. It's a very diverse democratic thing.  ANDREW: Sure. Have you seen my moustache? Right? [laughing] The amount of people who comment on it and engage with it and whatever, it's like, you know, it's funny. I have [00:14:37] been going through all the stuff in my house, you know, getting rid of stuff and reorganizing and stuff over the last couple of months. And I just found this picture that I've been like looking for, for a little while, which is me at [00:14:52] high school graduation: my 12-inch Mohawk and my fish tie and my fabulous plaid jacket that I wish I still had and you know, all this stuff. And this conversation today reminds me of the [00:15:07] various ways in which, you know, that was glamour magic, right? Being like those kind of expressions. So clearly articulate, define directions for connection, right?  And, you know, the people who would just come [00:15:22] up to me and start talking about my hair or whatever. Back then, you know, it both tended to draw predominantly great kinds of attention my way, contrary to what many people would think, and, and then, [00:15:37] occasionally it would steer the other people away. You know, where people would be like, “Don't look at him, don't look at him,” I'd be like, “Okay, whatever,” right? That... come on, but, but either way, you know, it sort of sets an energy into the world right now, you know, it's the same, you [00:15:52] know, having a big handlebar moustache right before like, you see kids, they love it. Right? And I think that, yeah, I think the exactly who I think that you know, if you're not certain about these kinds of things, look at what the, what kids [00:16:07] are drawn to, right? What did kids, how do kids engage with you, you know? Because in-- With both of these things, you know, kids are like, “Oh my God, I love your moustache,” or they're like, “I love your big spiky hair blah blah blah,” like, they don't have that bias and they're such a great [00:16:22] indicator of that glamour, you know. I'm sure that you get that too or they're just like “Wow, look at how great your hair is,” or your, your eyes or whatever, right? CHAWEON: I definitely have, especially like, even little boys, they [00:16:37] like the sparkles that I have on my face--  ANDREW: Sure.  CHAWEON: Fun. So what I found is that glamour magic, if we're talking about visual glamour magic, there's many different kinds, but visual glamour magic, for me, is when you're wearing your heart on [00:16:52] your skin. So your outer matches your inner. And to have that congruence between inner and outer, that's a skill, when you can go out into the world and the way that you present, it matches how you feel on the inside. That [00:17:07] is something that most people, in their life, they feel like they can't do. They repress whatever it is. So when you're going out with your mohawk, with your handlebar moustache, you know, you're being you. And that's like an aspect of you that matches how you feel on the inside, that sort [00:17:22] of like, maybe, for the handlebar moustache, it's like more playful, like stylish aspect of you that's like, you know, showing on your skin. And so the way that people interact with you when you're being you, I would have to say, there's [00:17:37] probably lots of people who wish that they could have the handlebar moustache, but I don't know, they're worried about what other people might think or who knows? And so they're not able to just be themselves and be authentic, there's that block. So again, [00:17:52] it's like glamour magic, it requires this amazing amount of self-awareness and bravery. ANDREW: Hmm. Yeah. It's definitely true. And I also think it's-- It requires-- It seems to me that it requires a real [00:18:08] centeredness.  CHAWEON: Yes. ANDREW: Yourself, right? You know, I think about the, you know, like I was joking with, somebody was talking about clothing in there. Like, I'm sorry, we'll pause for one second while the phone rings here. That's the downside [00:18:24] to being at the shop. There's no off button on the ringer. It's like . . . CHAWEON: I feel like you should put like a photo of your handlebar moustache. Like-- ANDREW: I've totally got to, yeah, for sure. Yeah, just [00:18:39] there should be like a gif or GIF of me just being like . . . [laughing] CHAWEON: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have a friend who does like photos like, you know, professional portraits and stuff like that. And they're just in India right [00:18:54] now, but in, maybe, I think the back, next month when they're back, I'm going to do a photo shoot and stuff and just, yeah, the whole, like, have it super waxed, and yeah, I definitely do like a couple more of those, you know bad guy kind of . . . CHAWEON: That like Salvador [00:19:09] Dali sort of like-- ANDREW: Exactly, exactly. All right. I'm going to clap and we can get started again.  So, I think there's also that temptation, sometimes, to look at [00:19:24] what other people are into and what other people are doing, you know, or to kind of get pulled off track by that, you know? Somebody was asking me a little while ago, because I've been reorganizing my house or having conversations about the kinds of things I have, and they're asking me like, [00:19:39] a big fancy attire and I'm like, I own my kilt, and I think, I think I have a suit that probably doesn't fit me anymore that I don't, that I never want to wear again anyway, because my detour into that [00:19:54] stuff was just so incongruous with me and how I am, right? You know? I'm just, that's not my thing. And yet, because of the fashion industry, because of media, you know, I think it's so tempting [00:20:10] to kind of get drawn into those other areas, and you know? And we may find something exciting there. But we may also kind of come out the other side and be like, that's really just not me and I don't need to ever do that kind of thing. You know? CHAWEON: Yeah, [00:20:26] I think the thing about glamour magic too is that there is a danger also of maybe taking it too seriously. So for me, glamour magic is very playful because you're not taking the way that [00:20:41] you look or the way that you sound, you're not taking the five senses. So seriously, when people start to identify too much with whatever it is, they're too close or something and they stop experimenting. I mean, I'm glad that you went through, you know, your [00:20:56] little suit phase, you know, you had to go through it, see what it was like, you had to try it. The thing about all those people who haven't had the handlebar moustache, maybe they would love it. They haven't tried it. It's true, right? So, I mean, like looking [00:21:11] at your-- Right now I kind of wish that I could grow one as well, because I'm gonna be super awesome, just like when I'm thinking, just be like, you know, like kind of like playing with the ends of them, you know, and I'm gonna work, you know?  So the thing is, that people [00:21:26] who are really opposed to glamour magic, even if it's authentic, they say that it's superficial. I say, so what? Why is it that people put so much emphasis on whether it's too much about the superficiality or too much against [00:21:41] it. When you're too identified with the visuals and beauty, then you become a slave to it versus when you're distant from it, when you're just like, this is just the thing. This is my need to die. I'm going to die, whatever. I don't give a shit, then it's just fun, [00:21:56] then you can be like, I'm going to try this. I'm going to try gender to me. I'm gonna try, I'm a dude but I'm going to wear heels just because I've never worn heels and who knows, I might like it. Maybe I won't. Oh, I hate it. Okay, but I tried it, whatever. ANDREW: Yeah, for sure. I think, you [00:22:11] know, hopefully, we're all going to live to be old and super wrinkly, and you know, like, yeah, it's-- People used to ask me stuff about my hair back when I had my Mohawk and whatever, you know, and I remember like, at [00:22:26] some point, in one of those conversations, like looking at my dad whose hair was kind of thinning and knowing that my grandparents on the other side, you know, their hair was kind of thinning. I'm like, I just want to have fun with my hair while I still have it, because I like that I have it. Someday, you know [00:22:41] what it's like, like what are we going to worry about? It doesn't really matter, you know? CHAWEON: Exactly. Like right now, like, my tits are amazing. So of course, I'm going to just show them everywhere, because my tits, when I'm 80 years old, like I'm going to look back at all the [00:22:56] pictures where my tits are hanging out and I'm just gonna be like fuck. Yeah, you know what, so, but the thing is is that I can say that and think that without feeling like, “Oh my God, I'm going to die when I don't have these tits anymore,” because again, there's that distance. It's just, this is [00:23:11] just this, sister look, it's just your body, whatever, just have fun with it. ANDREW: Yeah, I think that this-- There can be so much seriousness around magic. Yeah, you know like, you know, see, [00:23:26] your piece about Instagram altars, see, you know, you know, like all sorts of stuff, right? We'll link to that one in the show notes for people, go and read it, but, but, you know, the-- And I remember being like [00:23:41] super serious about magic, you know, at one point in my life, right? Just like "This is such a serious topic; I must treat it with the most respect ever," and you know, it's not, it's not that I don't respect it any less at this point, but it's also, [00:23:57] like, life is, life is really to be enjoyed and reveled in, right? You know? We come down here to have this experience, you know, from wherever we are on the other side, and to, you know, to be in a body and to [00:24:12] enjoy that and to experience it and to be playful and enjoy the different things that life has to offer, you know? Maybe I'm just too much of a Sagittarius but I was like, why do we not just enjoy all these things? You know? And why do we not let magic aid [00:24:27] us in all of those things, you know?  CHAWEON: Exactly, and that's the wonderful thing about glamour magic for those who are just like, “Well, it sounds very self-centered and like you're not really caring about what society's doing,” and I totally beg to differ because [00:24:42] what glamour magic does is, it kind of positions you in a way that's palatable to the mainstream, so that you can actually push the boundaries better than somebody who's coming at it from a way that [00:24:57] society's just gonna be like, “Whoa, too much too soon,” you know? So it's kind of like, for example, you know, we all know of artists who, you know, we all say, “Oh, they were born 20 years too early,” you know, or they were just way ahead of their time versus [00:25:12] somebody who went in at the right time, you know? So the groundwork was already laid, like society, it moved a little bit too. Let's say the left, you know, a little bit, a little bit, a little bit, and that's what kind of magic is. It's putting yourself in the place [00:25:27] so that you can push this idea just a little bit to the left because you're not threatening. And I think Westerners, especially, are just like well, why should I pussyfoot? You know, why should I try to cater to or why should I try to be anything, but you know, there's [00:25:42] this thing we have where there's honor in being confrontational and being like that ass bitch, you know, like in your face, all that stuff. You can do that or you can do it with honey. It's your choice and glamour magic is for those of us who would rather do [00:25:57] it with honey.  ANDREW: Mmm. Yeah, I think that-- I think that it's interesting how people from different backgrounds have different approaches to this kind of stuff. Right? And I think that-- I think there's a time and place for both, depending [00:26:12] on which you're doing, but I think it's really, you know, really, it's really interesting. How, depending on what you do with stuff will depend on where it goes, you know? And [00:26:27] I think that there's a time to, you know, you know, hold protests and stand in the street and yell about stuff, and that is, that can be its own glamour as well, right?  CHAWEON: Totally. ANDREW: And there's time to, you know to [00:26:42] be in a different space. You know what, it's always like, you know, because I practice an Afro-Cuban religion, you know, it's my background, and you know, I mean, Santería, the more common name for it, [00:26:57] that stuff tends to freak people out a lot. But whenever they have conversations with me about it, because I don't have any, in part because I don't have any internal conflict around it and any real concern about it, and [00:27:12] they're like, “Oh, that actually sounds super reasonable.” I'm like, “I know, that's why I'm involved. It's super reasonable.” You know, it's not this, that, or the other projection that people have put on it and those kinds of things really open people's eyes to a different way [00:27:27] of looking at it, to a different way of experiencing it. So. CHAWEON: Right, there's all different types of glamour magic and one of the most successful types of glamour magic that anyone can do is becoming accessible. You know, I [00:27:42] call it kind of like the “girl next door/boy next door” sort of vibe. And that's when you have somebody who you can just see is pushing society in some way, whether in their lifestyle or their looks, and yet when you approach them they're so [00:27:57] warm and accessible and they take away that, scary, ooh, “too much, dude!” feel. And that's sort of, glamour magic is again, after you leave talking to them, you feel warm and you feel great. The next time you, your friend [00:28:12] says some shit about that sort of lifestyle, you're just like, “Well, but I met that dude and he was pretty cool.” Mmm. So, but that's very difficult to do and I think that to do it successfully, you yourself, you have to be so like into like [00:28:27] your self-awareness and self-development and that's hard work. So glamour magic is definitely not for those who want like an easy, easy way out or like easy way to become like I don't know, Mcmagicky, with all the Mcmagicky [00:28:42] people. . . . ANDREW: Magic, mcmagic, mcmagic. [laughing] CHAWEON: Exactly. ANDREW: Well, I think that you know, let's be honest, if you're, if you're looking for the easy way, don't go to magic, go do something else. It's not as straightforward as [00:28:57] that, usually. You know, I mean for simple things, yes, but for like sort of bigger life arc-altering work and stuff like that, you know, it's a lot of work and it requires work on many levels. So yeah, for sure, so [00:29:13] I want to, I have a different thing that I also wanted to talk to you about. So you basically said, “Fuck this, I'm going to Bali a while again,” and just laughed, and I'm super curious about [00:29:28] how that happens. How did you get to making that decision, you know, tell us the tale. CHAWEON: Okay. So, I'm Korean American. So I grew up all my life in America. [00:29:43] I'm an American citizen. But about three years ago, I went to Korea, and that's my motherland and that's actually when my magic came to be. So, coincidence that I started to [00:29:58] really get into my witchy stuff in, you know, like my ancestral homeland. I don't know, but after a while, I was just like, you know what, Korea, I've extracted everything I need to get from Korea, and the last eclipse-- You know, [00:30:13] when you're doing magic, you know, it's good to look at astrological transits. So the last eclipse, like last year, like in July or something, my work situation. It was just, you know, the rug was pulled out from under me, very typical eclipsey stuff, and [00:30:28] you know, when that happened, it was kind of like, you know, like in South Park, Cartman, where it's like, “lucky guys, I'm going home,” you know, like it was sort of like that seal and I was just like, “Yeah, bye,” you know. It was this idea that magic, it will help me through making [00:30:43] this very impulsive within three months after deciding. You know, fuck.  Yeah, Bali. I was in Bali and I didn't know why I exactly chose Bali but I was drawn to it and once I got to Bali, Bali [00:30:58] is hands down the most magical place I've ever been to, and there's magic going on literally on the streets like 24/7. Hmm, especially in Ubud, which is the cultural center of Bali. So, how did I end up in Bali of all places? Right? [00:31:13] How did I go from, you know, skeptic in America to going to my ancestral homeland, becoming a witch, and then going to hands down the most magical place I've ever been to, baby, I'll ever go to, I'm in Bali, and these things, these currents, [00:31:28] that magic, has brought into my life and steered me too without a doubt. I attribute it a hundred percent--well, you know, like 80 percent--to the magic that I was doing. ANDREW: Hmm. And [00:31:43] so, what kind of-- Like this is the glamour magic, was this other magic, like what kind of what kind of stuff where you up to at that point? CHAWEON: Well, definitely glamour magic. It's something that I practice every single day. But I was also working a lot with Hecate and [00:31:59] I was giving a lot of like just offering soul and spirit, you know, just like the basic stuff that Aidan Wachter talks about in Six Ways. So I love his book, and I think that all new bewitches should read that book and practices [00:32:14] that he lays out there, not difficult to do, and they have wonderful effects in your daily life. And so it was nothing even that huge except for, you know, like the sorcery packet in Jason Miller's course that I've been taking and the glamour magic that I do and Aidan [00:32:29] Wachter's Six Ways. ANDREW: Hmm. Yeah Aidan's book is fantastic. You know, I wish-- I wish many years ago and that that had been the book I got first, you know, instead of finding, I mean, Magic in Theory and Practice, which [00:32:44] is what I started with, which is, which is great, but also like, yeah perplexing and contradictory, and so. CHAWEON: You know, I kind of skipped over a lot of the books that a lot of magic people they started with [00:32:59] because, again, I've only been doing this for like consciously for the past two years.  ANDREW: Sure.  CHAWEON: So, like, it's only now, like I just interviewed Marco Visconti, Marco Visconti, and [00:33:14] he's like an Aleister Crowley expert. So it's only now that I'm just like, “Oh shit, oh, yeah, Crowley,” right?  ANDREW: Yeah, that dude.  CHAWEON: That guy. Yeah! So like, the way that I got into magic, it was just so, I don't [00:33:29] know, like, it's non-traditional. But again, it's like the magic that I was doing, I feel like anybody could have done it, and maybe they wouldn't have had the exact same results as me, but definitely their life would have shifted, and you know, like, life would have pulled them in the [00:33:44] way that they were supposed to be going. ANDREW: Yeah. Yeah. I think that when we start doing magic, then the world starts reciprocating, right?  CHAWEON: Oh, totally! ANDREW: And, and, you know, I mean, in your case, and [00:33:59] in many people's cases, maybe the ancestors start reciprocating, right? You know? And like pulling in a different direction, of helping you find those places where you feel so, something completely different, you know, and, [00:34:14] and that might be right around the corner from you, or it might be, you know, far far away, right? CHAWEON: Absolutely. Like, so, Korea is a very neo-Confucian culture. So Confucius, for those of you who have [00:34:29] never heard of him, he was a Chinese philosopher. And he was around when like China was going through a shit ton of wars and he was just like, “Oh, chaos, this sucks, hey, let's build like an ordered society, let's build hierarchy, and people on top, [00:34:44] old people, dudes on top, and everybody just kind of like obeys and order,” and then Koreans were like, “Love that system, and we're just going to take it even further. We're going to inject steroids into that system.” And so a lot of [00:34:59] neo-Confucianism it has to do with ancestor veneration. So it's like literally like in the DNA of like millions and millions of Koreans, like modern Koreans, like the ancestor veneration in Korea is like, there's two major holidays in Korea. [00:35:14] And on those days, the country should sound, this is like a first world country, right, like super modern, it shuts down, and people, millions of people are setting out a table filled with like food for their ancestors and worshiping ancestors. [00:35:29] They may not understand why, but it's happening across Korea on two days, specifically, millions of Koreans. And of course Americans, we don't really do that.  Yeah, and Christianity when it came into Korea tried to discourage [00:35:44] that, but when I went back to Korea, and Koreans are very good at kind of meshing a lot of the old confusing ways. Christianity, and Korean Americans a lot more hardcore with their Christianity, but that's totally different story. But when I went to Korea and I was in the presence [00:35:59] of the mountains, which are considered like ancestral, like, like holy places-- By the way, North and South Korea: It's like split in half, and there's this mountain range that's considered like the spine of the dragon that's been cut in half because the country was cut in [00:36:14] half and even Kim Jong, Kim Jong Hoon, Kim Jong-il. Anyways, those guys, the North Korean dictators, like all their propaganda, it involves like them being on the mountains, like mountains are a huge deal in pre-industrial anything. [00:36:29] So, being in the land of the mountains, and my ancestors, and just being part of this magical current like, without a doubt. Like I think that ancestor veneration is probably one of the easiest [00:36:44] ways to get into magic. ANDREW: Yeah, I think so. You know, in my tradition, everything starts there, right? Yes, but come with your ancestors, you know, sort of, it's tough with your ancestors. You know, it's the, it's the place where you can gain the most ground the quickest. [00:36:59] It's a place where people can do the most on their own, I think, and it's the place that if you don't sort it, that business, then like, you can work on your shadow all day long, but if you're doing a lot [00:37:14] of magic and your ancestors and your relationship to the ancestors isn't resolved, that's basically just a big piece of ancestral shadow. They can always come in and mess things up, if you haven't fixed it, you know. CHAWEON: Yeah, I totally [00:37:29] forget where I read this, but it was about how, what happened to your grandmother, like DNA, like whatever sort of life that she led. It's like in your DNA, as well as something about up to certain generations. So think about how [00:37:44] many people in the world, maybe the majority of the world's population, they have so much trauma in their DNA, because of war and and all that. I mean, especially in places like Asia, Korean war happened in my grandmother's [00:37:59] generation.  ANDREW: Sure.  CHAWEON: And if you're in Southeast Asia, we're talking the Vietnam War that happened after the Korean War, we're talking about massacres that happened in Cambodia. Yeah. There's a lot of trauma that's in our DNA and I didn't really believe in any of that to [00:38:14] be honest about the skeptic. But I remember there's this one doctor. I think his name is Dr. Bruce Lipton or something like that, and he's like a mainstream doctor, right? He's not, you know, like this woo guy. Then, he was talking about DNA and about [00:38:29] the effects of basically ancestral trauma on DNA, and that's when I was just like, oh, a little bit more open-minded about it. So if mainstream science is starting to sort of get into it more, I'm just like, oh well, magic was way ahead besides, I'm sure. ANDREW: Yeah, and [00:38:44] I think, if we, if we think about, you know, the past several generations, right, like we don't have to go back very far before there was probably difficulty, tragedy, poverty, [00:38:59] war, the Depression, you know, like all those wars and conflicts of the last century. And then also, just, you know, more random things, like violence, tragedy, you know, we go back a few generations. What was the infant mortality rate? [00:39:14] How many people watched their kids die? You know, I mean, so many of those things were just way of life, right? But that doesn't mean that they didn't come with trauma and they weren't difficult and it didn't mean that they're not still affecting us [00:39:29] now. So for sure, yeah. CHAWEON: Yeah, so I think that, clearing out the ancestral trauma. I interviewed Liv Wheeler, who's a contemporary voice diviner. And this was [00:39:44] an interview that was the first interview that I did in Bali and it was such a neat coincidence that I was able to talk to her, and she works a lot with ancestral spirits, and she was talking about how she, you know, and people are sensitive. They can see how-- I [00:40:00] don't want to say that there are ghosts but like there's ancestral residue that can stick to people.  ANDREW: Sure.  CHAWEON: So clearing it is, you know, like guys, like, that's for everybody's benefit, like it helps. The ancestors were [00:40:15] able to kind of like let go of their baggage, it helps you, so it's like a win-win for everybody, for sure, ancestral cleaning. ANDREW: Yeah, absolutely, or even just paying attention to them. Right? Like just, yeah, say [00:40:30] some prayers for them, you know. Let it go. For them, periodic knowledge that you know, like just, just that alone can make a huge, huge difference, right? You know, it doesn't, it doesn't need to be, you know, big shamanic this that or the other thing or elaborate ceremony [00:40:45] or whatever, you know, just be like, hey everybody. Hey, all you people that I came from, we're saying these prayers for you. These are the prayers that I think you would like, you know, because that's what you liked when you were alive, you know, or whatever, and it's so helpful, right? Can [00:41:00] move so many things and provide some of the possibilities. CHAWEON: Exactly and for the skeptics out there: When you do these rituals, okay, even if you don't believe in any of the ancestral residues or anything like that, and you're just like [00:41:15] well, you know, just doing it, just makes you feel better. It's a placebo effect. So what, it helps you, it brings peace to your life anyways, so I don't see any downside to it. That's how I've always operated. I'm still a skeptic in a lot of ways. So [00:41:30] for me, it's like, what do I say? In this mundane world that shows that it's working, but I just go on that, and every time I've done magic my life has become more authentic and it's moved in ways that feel better. So even [00:41:45] if I'm a skeptic, I'm okay with it. ANDREW: So how has your skepticism changed over time? CHAWEON: In a lot of ways, it's become more entrenched, because now, I'm just like “Oh shit, I'm starting to really believe in this stuff, can't [00:42:00] do that,” you know, got to stay like uber skeptical, especially now that I'm starting to be like, “Whoa, this is magic. Hmm.”  So there's that, and I think that's a very healthy way of moving through [00:42:15] magic because, okay, one of the things that I learned in Bali-- There was this amazing Balinese friend that I have. Well not was, but he still is, not-- Oh, and he was just a simple woodcarver, [00:42:30] and that's you know, he was just a master woodcarver, him and his dad, and he was talking about how at the age of 40, a lot of Balinese people decide they're going to retreat from public life and they're going to just study. And in Bali, they do like a-- It's [00:42:45] mainly a Hindu island, but they do kind of like their own tropical Hinduism, but he was-- Think how a lot of people, not a lot, but there's all these people who decide you know, “I'm just going to read the books, I'm smart, I can learn [00:43:00] what I need to learn, like from these books and stuff,” and they don't get a teacher. And you can tell, because these are people who become super ungrounded.  And he was like, “Oh, you know, you can tell that they didn't have a teacher, because they're going to go out and they're going to like, talk to trees, but like like crazy [00:43:15] person, and you know, their life is going to go to shit, versus when you have a teacher and you're grounded because you have somebody who can tell you, ‘Whoa, you're seeing visions, kind of ignore that, maybe that's just your imagination. Oh, you're having visions and it came with this. Maybe there's something to it.'” He [00:43:30] knows, having somebody to help guide you, so it's almost like an outside skeptic. That's very helpful. And that's when I realized the importance of having teachers, mentors, and like a community outside to kind of help steer you away from being [00:43:45] way too ungrounded. ANDREW: Yeah, I think, you know, as as a, I think godparent in my religion to people, you know, you could definitely sort of say that one of my [00:44:00] jobs is to be skeptical of some of that stuff for people, right? Good guy. Let's get-- “You had a dream. Let's go ask. Let's go actually ask the oracle that we use to speak with these spirits and see what they say.” Like, let's see, you know, or whatever, right? And you know, and sometimes we find out something [00:44:15] really profound when we notice things and sometimes we find out that it didn't mean anything, right?  I remember, I remember I was like doing this series of ceremonies and every [00:44:31] day I was doing this series of ceremonies for a while. And at the same point in the ritual, which was also kind of like the peak of the invocation parts, the sound would start happening in [00:44:46] my temple space. And I was like, “What is that? What is going on? What's manifesting?” Whatever, and you know, and I go around, and I'm like, trying to figure out if it's something, is it like the pipes, or is it this or that, nothing, [00:45:01] right? Like no obvious reason why that sound is there. So I went to my teacher and told him and he's like, “I don't know,” and I was like, “Oh I wanted to do something profound, but okay.” And, and [00:45:16] this went on for like, I forget how long I was doing this work, like maybe a month, maybe six weeks, and then right near the end, what I realized was that the oil lamp that I was using, it got hot enough, uh-huh, sounds right and it just [00:45:31] happened to coincide with that moment in the ritual. Right? So, you know, it's just like things, that the phenomenon of things aren't necessarily worth getting caught up in, they're worth noticing, but they're also worth saying, “Well, if that's significant, [00:45:46] I'll know that in time, but right now, I'm just going to notice it and carry on with what I'm doing,” right? CHAWEON: I think there's this thing where I just get very-- Okay, because before the magic thing, I was one of those women who saw other women get really [00:46:01] into new age stuff, and you know, they're like, so into crystals and like whatever and it was just kind of like, it was very annoying. I call it like the Gwyneth Paltrow effect, right? And it was very like, have you seen this YouTube video called like “Shit New Age Girls Say”? It's [00:46:16] like a parody. ANDREW: I've seen a bunch of those videos. I don't know if I've seen that specific one, but-- CHAWEON: Oh, it's so spot-on and I remember thinking, “Oh girl, you are so ungrounded. I can't be around you,” you know? Like everything is pleiadian and alien spaceships [00:46:31] are, you know, right above you, and you know, like you're going to wear purple skirt and shit because it's like bringing your energy somewhere, and I was just like, I can't deal.  ANDREW: Yeah. CHAWEON: And I was like, okay super ungrounded energy. I don't like that. And so, that's the reason why, [00:46:46] the more I get into magic, the more like, stringent and hardcore my skeptic has to become, because I'm just like, if it doesn't do that, then I'm afraid that, you know, like instead of being in this world and doing magic in this world, I'm just going to be like, often, [00:47:01] like I'm doing magic in like some abstract fourth, fifth, 20th dimension. ANDREW: Sure or nowhere at all. CHAWEON: Or nowhere at all. [laughs] And that's no fun because we're like, in this world, we're living in this world, you know, like let's have fun in this world. ANDREW: [00:47:16] Yeah. Absolutely. Well, I want to thank you for taking time to hang out and chat with me today. CHAWEON: Thank you. ANDREW: And I understand you have a thing coming up a course on some of this stuff that might be of interest to [00:47:31] people who are listening. CHAWEON: Yeah, so I'm actually putting on my very first magic class and it's going to be about, surprise, surprise: glamour magic. And it's called Fierce, like “ooh girl, you look fierce,” and it's just [00:47:46] basically a very accessible way of starting out in glamour magic, so, bringing in archetypes to start putting makeup on your face, to invoke, evoke, and conjure up these archetypes. And so, this [00:48:01] is just for anybody who may not be a hundred percent into magic, or maybe you are, but I see it more as like also a really great introduction into a little bit of astrological magic but also it's a whole lot of magic in terms of like makeup [00:48:16] magic. So I mean, makeup is like a huge part of like my identity. I used to be a makeup artist when I was in college. So it's how to transform yourself using mundane tools. Instead of using like a wand, you're using a [00:48:31] blush brush [laughing]; instead of drawing sigils on a piece of paper, you're drawing a crisp cat eye with an eyeliner brush, hmm with liquid liner. Same thing. So it's taking magic with makeup and transforming [00:48:46] yourself and doing it all with this like, real glamour, not faux glamour. ANDREW: Perfect. And where do people who want to come and bask in your glamour find you on the social media these days? CHAWEON: Oh, well, they can just Google Witches and Wine. [00:49:01] Usually my YouTube channel comes up like first thing, and on, on social media, it's, you can just look me up. It's hichaweon, but I think it's mainly through my YouTube channel, all my social media stuff is there.  ANDREW: Perfect. [00:49:16] Awesome. Well, thank you so much for making time to chat. It's been a real pleasure. CHAWEON: Thank you, Andrew. So good to talk to you.  

Witches & Wine Audio Experience
Interview with Aidan Wachter, Talismanic Jeweler and author of "Six Ways"

Witches & Wine Audio Experience

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 18, 2019 62:30


Aidan Wachter talks to me about his new book, "Six Ways: Approaches & Entries for Practical Magic" and how to use meditation, trance, and offerings to take your life next level. Get in touch with Chaweon https://www.instagram.com/hichaweon/ https://twitter.com/hichaweon https://www.facebook.com/witchesandwine/ Hey babe, hear the full-length "Director's Cut" of interviews (and other bonus content). Support Witches & Wine on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/witchesandwine This podcast audio is from this Witches & Wine video: https://youtu.be/Io26Jye3NjM --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

The Hermit's Lamp Podcast - A place for witches, hermits, mystics, healers, and seekers
EP94 Changes and Endings with Stacking Skulls and Theresa Reed

The Hermit's Lamp Podcast - A place for witches, hermits, mystics, healers, and seekers

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 15, 2019 85:28


The Stacking Skulls Crew (Aidan, Fabeku, and Andrew) are joined by Theresa Reed this week. In many ways this conversation circles around endings. They talk about Marie Kondo and letting go. The process of know when to change in life. And the ways our energy shifts what is going on depending on how we show up.  Think about how much you've enjoyed the podcast and how many episodes you listened to, and consider if it is time to support the Patreon You can do so here. If you want more of this in your life you can subscribe by RSS , iTunes, Stitcher, or email. Thanks for joining the conversation. Please share the podcast to help us grow and change the world.  Andrew You can book time with Andrew through his site here.  ANDREW: Welcome to the Hermit's Lamp podcast and another episode with Stacking Skulls. I'm here today with Aidan and Fabeku, and joining us is Theresa Reed. So, you know, everybody probably knows who we are, but, Theresa, for those who don't know who you are, who are you? What are you about? THERESA: Hey guys, for those of you who are not familiar with me, my name is Theresa Reed, but I'm better known as the Tarot Lady. I am a professional tarot reader and I've been working in my industry for close to 30 years. And that's me in a nutshell.  ANDREW: Awesome! So, the last episode dropped about three months or so ago. What's new? What's going on? What's changed?  AIDAN: Hmm. I actually reopened the shop ... ANDREW: Yeah! AIDAN: After many months off, and that's going very well. Under the new model. It seems to be working well. That's pretty much it for me. It's been winter. Not a lot goes on except the cold.  ANDREW: Right. And a lot of snow apparently this winter.  AIDAN: We did get the blizzard, which, thankfully all of our neighbors tell us happens every seven to 15 years, cause otherwise our 500-foot-long driveway would have been perhaps not the choice we would have made! [laughing] We were only trapped for like two weeks.  ANDREW: Yeah. That's fair. Well, you don't have to get your kettlebells off the mat, then. You can just shovel snow every day?  AIDAN: I really don't do that. That's why we were trapped for two weeks. We saw it coming and went shopping and stocked up the house, and said, "Fuck it. We'll leave when we're done, when it's done." [laughing] ANDREW: Excellent. Nice. That's awesome. Well, how about you, Fabeku? What's new in your world?  FABEKU: Yeah, what's new? Ran a few classes, finally wrapped the super long divination course that I've been doing since the summer, doing a thing now on some hyper sigil stuff which has been fun and kind of intense. Managed to survive the holidays, thank God. That was great! Yeah, writing like crazy, just writing like crazy, for some reason. I'm not sleeping a lot, which is fantastic! And so, I'm taking advantage of the long evenings and turning out piles and piles of words for a few book projects. So, it's fun. It's cool.  ANDREW: And how about you, Theresa? What's the start of your year brought you? What's going on with you these days?  THERESA: Just busy with work but also, I have two books coming out this year, and actually today, I just got the pdf version, and so they want me to go over everything and check everything and doublecheck it, and make sure every i is dotted and t is crossed, and recently I saw the cover of my third book, which is coming out in November. So I'm in the phase right now of handling all my regular work, and also with these two books coming out, starting to do all the proofreading to make sure things are right.  FABEKU: That's a lot.  THERESA: Yeah, it's exciting.  ANDREW: It's a lot of work, right?  THERESA: Oh my god. But I like the editing part better than the writing part.  FABEKU: Really?  THERESA: Isn't that sad?  FABEKU: Well, no, it's fascinating. I think it's ... THERESA: I love to read, write, and I love to spill out all my ideas, but I think it's because I have those three planets in Virgo. Going back and editing gives me a real special jolly.  FABEKU: Wow. That's cool. AIDAN: I kind of got that with Six Ways. I had a blast going, kind of taking in all the information I got from the various first readers and my folks to kind of dive in and tighten it up. That was a pleasure.  ANDREW: Yeah. I don't dig the editing at all. FABEKU: Yeah, me neither.  [laughing] FABEKU: Totally hate it! ANDREW: Yeah, it's interesting. When I did, I wrote the book for the Orisha Tarot, I sat down and just, I wrote the book just straight through, just piled it all out and whatever. And because there was some changes around the timeline and I had to deliver it a little bit earlier, I was like, all right, I'm just sending it, I'm not even going to reread it, I'm just going to send it to you this way. Cause it was already a contract, right? So it wasn't like I was trying to get the deal. I already had the deal, but I just didn't have the time to finish everything up for their timeline that they had moved it to, and still sort of like sit and really reedit it, and I was like, doesn't make sense to re-edit part of it or all of it or, you know. So I just sent it in. And, yeah, it was, most of ... The thing was, “please just go through and fix the typos.” [laughs] And I was like, "Sure!" [laughing] And then there were a couple other, very few comments, but then the editing was almost nonexistent for it, so.  FABEKU: That's great. THERESA: Wow. But they liked it, so you know, obviously you're a good writer. ANDREW: Yeah, it just kind of. By the time I get to writing something I usually have thought about it a ton. And then it mostly just kind of emerges pretty intact, you know? And sometimes I need to adjust stuff, mature things. Most of what they wanted me to change or edit goes back to, the biggest challenge for me around writing historically, which is: why write 50 words when 10 words will do? But the reality is, those 10 words do when you know what the subject is, but they don't actually do it for everybody else. So learning to sort of expand everything into sort of a more, yeah, a more thorough explanation, so you kind of use a lot more words for it, that's been one thing. And the edits that came back for it were kind of, "You might know what this is, and I might know what this is, but there are lots of people who are going to read this who don't, who won't understand. So add a couple of paragraphs explaining this and this and this, and stuff." So. FABEKU: I always think it's an interesting thing when you're communicating stuff to people--so, my version of that is, in this hyper sigil class that I'm doing now, there were things that to me were super obvious, and so I essentially said, "Hey, do this and do this, and go have at it," right? And then people were like, "Wait, fuck, what? What about this, and what about this, and what does that mean? and can I do this? should I do this? should I not do this?" And I was literally like, "What the fuck is happening? Just do it!" And when I realized it was like, oh, right, okay, so all of the shit that in my head was super obvious, apparently I need to circle back and kind of spell out in way more detail than I thought. So it was kind of an interesting experience for everyone involved.  Yeah. [laughing] ANDREW: Yeah. For sure. AIDAN: This is why the lifer magicians shouldn't probably be the bounce-offs on whether you're coherent for anybody else, right? [laughing] I was like, dude, got it, boom! [incoherent laughing] AIDAN: Fabeku comes back around like, "Why is everyone confused?" I'm like, “uh, oh, cause they haven't been doing this for 30 years? I don't know!” [laughing] ANDREW: Yeah. FABEKU: Yup. THERESA: And words have power, but that power doesn't always transmit to everyone the same way. You know years ago when I used to teach astrology, it all starts out fun. But then you start getting into the math, which you know is another interesting ... I think math is very magical. And everyone, all the tears came. All the tears came. People don't get it. And so, explaining astrology to laymen is actually, it's very artful, it's very hard to do.  FABEKU: Mm-hmm.  ANDREW: Yeah. I think teaching stuff is complicated. Right? And I think that, you know, when … A couple years ago I was in Portland and I taught this class on calling in the person-who-was-getting-the-readings' guardian angel, to feed into the reading process, right? And, you know, in teaching something like that, there's the words, right, which is one part of it. You know? It's like try this, do this, think about it this way, but then, like you say, it's also how is everyone receiving that, what's going on? And a whole bunch of people came up to me after the workshop and basically said, "I've never experienced anything like that before in my life, you know, and I've been doing my own practice," or whatever, and the secret was in that case that essentially I expanded my energy to encompass everybody in the room, and I was modulating everything that was going on, to some degree with everybody there, right? And like, seeing what felt wonky in the space so I need to go over and talk to that person, or maybe I just needed to like, put a little extra energy there for them, and you know, there's so many layers to transmitting something, right? That go well beyond book-learning and words and you know, straightforward things like into another level, right? So. FABEKU: You know, we just had this conversation in the hyper sigil space this week or last week or whatever it was. Somebody was talking about an experience that they have. So I call, instead of calls, I call them live transmissions, cause I do that, cause for me, that's what they are, it's not some marketing shtick, but you know, they were talking about experiences they had listening to the transmission, and I said, "listen, like, I call these transmissions for a reason." Like, the delivery of information is actually the smallest reason why we're on the phone at the same time doing this. There's a million other ways I could deliver information. I don't really give a shit so much how it happens, but it is that kind of energetic maintenance of the space, of creating currents that people wade into and then you navigate their experience with the current with them while delivering the information and for me that's 90 percent of it, the information, I mean, fuck, I could send out a pdf, I mean it's, you know, who cares about the delivery of the information? In some ways. I think, to me, the real key, and I think the thing that, like you said, give people that experience, is that current, and to create it, and kind of lead people skillfully into it and out of it and you know, yeah, that's the whole thing, for me.  THERESA: Do you guys feel when you teach that you're doing it from an altered space?  FABEKU: Yes.  AIDAN: Yeah, totally.  FABEKU: Almost every time. Like as soon as I kind of dial in, sit down, like I'll  start to sweat. As it goes on, by the time I'm done, like I feel like I ran a marathon. And that's not a thing that I do.  [laughter] ANDREW: Yeah, for sure. AIDAN: That's a definite thing, and it's interesting. I got an invite this morning to teach at 2020, and that was one of the really odd things, was remembering live teaching, cause I haven't done that since the 90s, and that's kind of a really strange concept to think about revisiting after 25 years. It's like, okay let's wander into a conference space, and do my thing. Cause to me it's always a super altered state, it's not subtle. And that's a, it's a very . . . It is an odd thing. ANDREW: And for me it's the same doing readings as well, you know. It's the reason I don't dig asynchronous reading processes that much, is I find that the energy's harder to manage . . . THERESA: Really?! ANDREW: Yeah. It's way easier for me to sit with somebody and just go anywhere, do anything, whatever needs to happen, but like, to do readings and ... You know, for a while I've been offering these channeled readings, where I channel one of my guides and stuff, and I'm actually going to stop, because channeling without the person being synced in somehow just wears me out. It's really kind of ... So like a 15-minute session of doing that like, and recording it and sending it to somebody, is like ten times more fatiguing than channeling for an hour with the person sitting here. So.  THERESA: See for me, when it comes to email readings, energy is energy. You know and I always like to say I'm an energy reader, so it's the same energy that I'm tapping into, it doesn't matter if the person's sitting there and with me. I prefer when I'm doing, I prefer the phone readings, because I really feel like we're directly connecting with each other. But the email readings work just as good, the only difference is I think sometimes when people send information via email, they're not completely tuned in.  ANDREW: Mm-hmm. THERESA: You know, and so you have to, maybe this is why you feel double the work, is you're having to like, you will have to do double the work, because maybe they'll just send a vague question or whatnot, so it's different.  ANDREW: Mm-hmm. Yeah, maybe it's so.  THERESA: Yeah, I don't know.  AIDAN: It's interesting. When I think about doing the, you know like in the Six Ways Facebook group, the best thing I did was I decided to start shooting video, just cause it seemed like it would be an easier way than writing everything? And what I find is that that's the  . . . it's way easier for me to be talking and transmit kind of clearly is writing. And, like we're doing this on Zoom, and I think if I get around to starting the online classes I'll do them on Zoom for the same reason. It's okay that not everybody will be present but if I've got a body of people present that I can be directly feeding with, it'll work better.  THERESA: My problem with the typing is, my arthritis. I mean that's the biggest problem. I find it's more like, it's labor intensive for my hands, it's not the transmission of the energy. You know when you're just talking and teaching like that, you're not using that same physical processes as you're doing with your hands . . . So I think that's where I find it to be harder. AIDAN: Right. I think that for me it's just that I can't type very well.  [laughing] ANDREW: That's fair. That's totally fair. I'm actually going back to writing, a series of blog posts and stuff. FABEKU: Oh, cool.  ANDREW: I feel like I haven't typed much for a long time. In terms of doing that kind of work. But I feel like--for two reasons, I like to make everything accessible, so I like to get transcriptions of stuff done, like this podcast will be transcribed, and that's a time-consuming process that comes with its own expense, and two, I feel like I'm planning on getting a book proposal in over the winter, and I sort of slide more into that writing space. And when I'm already in that writing space, then it's easy to like, you know, write for a couple of hours, grab a coffee, change gears, and then write something else for an hour, for me, so I can kind of just stay in that space, whereas the recording transmissions and stuff like that, you know, since the separation and divorce that happened in the fall and winter, with my new schedule with the kids and stuff like that, it's a lot harder for me to find a time that's actually quiet to sit down and record something, it's not nearly as simple as it used to--my schedule used to be a lot more flexible, so. Now it's like I can sit and write just fine, and they can be doing whatever in the house, it's not a big deal to me, but to record and then have them, you know, their shenanigans in the background, it gets a little complicated, so. FABEKU: Yeah, for sure.  ANDREW: Mm-hmm. And I guess that's been the big change for me, right? You know, my relationship of 21 years ended, I think we talked about it some in the fall podcast . . . AIDAN: Yeah, we did.  ANDREW: Yeah, and mid-December, my ex moved out, and so I've had sort of almost two months now, I guess, or a month and a half of settling into what it's like to be independent half the time and with the kids half the time and you know, kind of going through this process of going through everything that I own and reassessing it, and seeing what do I want to keep, what's important, what's not important, and, you know, kind of extending that further out into like lots of things, I'm kind of reevaluating where I'm putting my time on kind of every front right now and trying to see what feels like it makes sense to me or doesn't make sense to me, you know? I had a great time watching that Tidying Up show with Marie Kondo. You know? Me and the kids and one of my partners watched it, and you know, it's like, that notion of what's exciting and what's not has continued to kind of fuel a bunch of decisions in different directions. Like looking at my work life and thinking about what am I, what am I really really inspired by? And what feels either burdensome or kind of to make it even more to the point, if the thing that I want from it is not a thing that it can give me, you know, there's kind of like an incoherence of the agenda, you know? And where I'm recognizing those shifting agendas kind of going along, I'm not going to get that from this, so I really ought to reconsider my investment in this. If that's not going to happen, what's the value to me then, you know? or is there a value to me then? You know? So. Yeah. So it's a lot of pruning going on, a lot of throwing out stuff around the space and sifting back through a bunch of stuff. Yeah.  AIDAN: Yeah, that's definitely been going on over here too.  ANDREW: Yeah. AIDAN: That was what led to the change in the shop, cause that process just clipped a ton of the work that I didn't like around the shop, it's just gone now. And then that's kind of feeding in. Like the shop itself, which as y'all know  is a tiny space, is just way less busy. There's a lot less in here now. A lot of like, who are the helper spirits that are actually helpers? And who are the hangers on that are sometimes helpful but not really, not paying freight, and let's cut ties there and simplify it. It's definitely the season for it, I think.  ANDREW: Yeah. FABEKU: Yeah, that's been the same thing here. I mean on all fronts. The work front, you know, there's been stuff I've been contemplating for six months, nine months, longer. And kind of finally brought some of that together. Like this thing that I used to dig? I don't dig it as much anymore. So I'm not going to do it. And this thing that I still kind of dig, I'm going to change it, so I can dig it more than I do at the moment. AIDAN: Yeah! FABEKU: You know, on the personal front, there was a long relationship I was in that was kind of agonizing over longer than I needed to, and end of the year, it was like, yeah, no, this doesn't make any sense any more. Like you said, that--I like that language, Andrew--the incoherence of agenda, cause it was like, this is never going to fucking shake out the way I want it to shake out, no matter what the fuck I do, it just doesn't make any sense, and you know, at some point it was interesting and thinking, about the mundane stuff I could do, the magical stuff, and it's like, why? it's just, what the fuck, it doesn't make any sense, just pack it up and move on.  ANDREW: Mm-hmm. FABEKU: You know? I don't mean it just in the context of the relationship but with a lot of things, you know? And I think for me it feels like a time when it's kind of important to reduce, to pretty radically reduce the noise, to amp the signal even more than it has been. It seems like, I don't know, kind of midway through last year I started to realize there's--not even more noise--but there's just more shit in the field to manage. And I just don't want to do that.  SOMEBODY: Yeah. FABEKU: I just don't want to do it.  AIDAN: Yeah.  FABEKU: Let's get the few things that are solid signal and crystal clear and right fucking on and amp the shit out of that, and the rest of it? I'm just not interested in it. I'm just not into it at all at this point.  THERESA: I've been doing a major decluttering too, so I watched that same Tidying Up thing. And, you know, we have a real problem with clutter around here. My husband's an artist, first of all, and you know, I know how artists are, and you guys know how artists are.  [laughter] THERESA: Artists collect a lot of stuff, and we have a lot of things, and this is a really big house. So, it got filled. You know the more we took over the house, the more he found things to fill. So we went through stuff and we're still going through stuff, and you know, my big problem is my books issues.  ANDREW: [laughing] There are only about 30, right?  THERESA: Yeah well, that's not going to happen, guys! [helpless laughter] THERESA: Cause you know, most of the books are stuff that I use. The thing that I have to go through, though, you know, right now, the clothes are done, I'm not a big clothes person, I'm not a big shoe person, I'm not one of those chicks, I have very few shoes, I don't care about shoes. You know I used to have a lot of purses, I don't care about that. I was hoarding lipstick--you know, this is my new lipstick, guys! FABEKU: It looks fantastic!  THERESA: Thank you!  [chuckling] THERESA: But also, my books and, you know, cooking gadgets, so, slowly little by little we've gone through things and, you know, the biggest thing we have left to do is the books. And Terry right now is upstairs and tearing through the cooking things, which is kind of horrifying me, because he doesn't know exactly what I use to create that magic in the kitchen, but, I'm just like, you know what, I don't have the time to do all this decluttering, go declutter it. But it's also making us a lot more mindful about the reasons we keep on holding on to our clutter. So we've had long discussions about that, and we've come to the determination, it's because we both grew up poor. There's that tendency then to want to hold onto things because it's the fear that you're going to need it or you may not have it again. So that whole way of growing up, it really does then create that energy where you hold on for dear life and then nothing else can get in that's worthwhile. So why am I holding onto this stupid thing, this Hello Kitty spatula that's too small to even turn over an egg? Why? It's got to go! It's not serving the purpose. FABEKU: Yeah, and for me I get that probably the most with the books, right? Because, you know, in the past I managed to scrape together cash, get a couple books, and then when I was broke as fuck, had to sell the books, and now that I've got them again, it's like, "I'm never getting rid of these books," which of course isn't the smartest thing. But it's exactly that thing. Like I remember having to box up, you know, 12 boxes of books to take ‘em to Half Price Books and they give you ten fucking dollars, you know, you have grocery money . . . THERESA: Yep.  FABEKU: And it's like yeah, I'm never doing that again. So for me now, I've got thousands of books, which is madness, but, yeah, I think there is something to that, I think that that experience of either not being able to get it, or not knowing if you'd be able to get it again, I think for me anyway, it does, it creates a thing of wanting to hold onto shit way longer than makes sense. THERESA: Yep.  FABEKU: … is the case, for sure.  ANDREW: I really feel this intense impulse that I want to make things, versus own things.  FABEKU: Mm. ANDREW: If that makes sense? You know? Books have a way of creeping back in, you know, partly because people give me a lot of books, because of the store, because I'm friends with them, and my friends publish books and that's fantastic, and I love looking at what my friends are doing, and that kind of stuff, but like, even I'm looking at the books that are on the shelf in the reading room here. I don't even know like, other than maybe two or three of them, I don't even know the last time I opened any of them.  THERESA: Wow.  ANDREW: Like it's been a long time, right? And you know, somebody was ... having this conversation about having tarot books and being a tarot reader, and whatever, and I'm like ... I don't, I mean, I read my friends' books, cause they're my friends and they wrote them, but I don't really read books on tarot any more. You know? Not because they're not good and not because maybe I couldn't learn stuff, but you know, I was, I listen to this podcast called The Moment with this guy Brian Koppelman, he makes movies. And there's some really great ones. The ones with Seth Godin are really interesting. And he has one with Salmon Rushdie. Which is fascinating. But one of the things that he talks about is how, when he drops into a project, he doesn't want his ideas contaminated with other things. And because I'm sliding more and more into being creative, visually and with words and these things all the time, I don't really, I really want to express what I want to express, and that brings about this place where I don't really want to bring stuff in. Because it's easy to get in my head about it. It's easy to think too much. It's easy to be like, "oh, this person said this thing, what do I think about that, do I need to address it?" It's like, it just slows the process, it creates drag in the creative process for me, so I kind of move away from that. You know, most of what I learn about card reading I learn from, you know, just doing more and more readings all the time. Or sometimes hanging out and talking with people about card reading, more so than actually sitting and reading books about it and such, you know?  FABEKU: Yeah. I think one of the-- THERESA: [simultaneously] Sometimes I like-- Oh, sorry. FABEKU: No, go ahead, Theresa.  THERESA: I was just going to say, real briefly--sometimes though I do like looking at what other people write about tarot, because I 'll look at it and say, "well that's interesting." You know I'll probably discard it anyways, because I'm very stubborn about my methods . . . ANDREW: You?  THERESA: [laughs] But I do like-- But I do sometimes like, just like, you know, looking and saying, "well, that's very interesting.” It's still not going to change the way I'm doing things, because I've been doing things for so long, but it might at least give me a little different perspective. Okay, Fabeku, sorry about that! FABEKU: No, no, you're fine. I think for me, one of the best things I did in my business, maybe six or eight years ago, I just stopped looking at all the business shit. I didn't . . . I haven't read a business book in six or seven years. I haven't read business blogs, I unsubscribed to everything, and again, it's not that I didn't give a shit, really, but I kind of didn't give a shit. And it was mostly because of that, that noise thing.  You know, it's like I just, like you said, Andrew, I want to transmit my thing, like I don't want--not that there's anything wrong with anybody else's thing, I just don't want their signal mixed in with my signal. And I think the results of that, and the same has been true for me with magic, with divination, with everything--it feels like the more I reduce that noise, the clearer I can get to my signal and transmit it, and then I think, the better that is for everybody that's on the receiving end of it. You know, I think that--and people say, well, you know, do you miss, do you miss being up to date on what's going on? Not really. I mean and again, I'm sure there's brilliant stuff out there. it's not that I-- I'm not acting like it's all shit--I just--for me, I think it's the processing power that's required to read it and then still keep it isolated from what I'm doing. It's just too much. It just--I don't, I don't want to do it--I just would rather get down to whatever my thing is. Whatever that means.  THERESA: See, Fabeku, you need my way of doing things. I'm just so fucking stubborn . . . [laughter] THERESA: It doesn't matter how brilliant it is! I'm still going to do things exactly the way I'm going to do things, and I've always been that way, and it's ridiculous. But again, I'll get the little information, I'll get the feedback, I'll look at it, and I still do everything exactly the fucking way I'm going to do it.  FABEKU: Sounds familiar!  [laughter] AIDAN: Hear ye, hear ye! THERESA: That's the key! ANDREW: You know I remember talking to Enrique Enriquez, and we were discussing this in one of the podcast episodes that I did with him I think, and we were talking about how we'll be reading something, and we'll just get to a sentence and be like, "Huh, I just need to think about that for a month now." You know? And so like--there's a reason--I haven't finished Six Ways yet! Because, I get through to a certain point, and then I hit an idea, and I'm like, "Huh. Huh." I just put it down and just sit for a while, and just like chew it over for a while, you know, and maybe it gets misplaced for a little bit after that, and then I find it again, I'm like, "Oh, I should really finish that book," and you know, it's, when you told me that my name was in there somewhere, I was like, I haven't even gotten to that yet! And it's like, you know, kind of halfway through the book or so, right?  AIDAN: [laughing] ANDREW: And I'm just like, huh. And I'll get through it, but for me I like to digest things really thoroughly if I'm going to let them in, and I think that's part of it too, right? You know it's back to like my own thinking, and that kind of stuff and how much of that, not even willingness for that to be let in, but where there is stuff that's really thought-provoking, I only have so much space for that too, you know?  AIDAN: Yeah. I have, you know, it's interesting, once you put out your book--I imagine, you've all done this, I think, so you have had this experience. All of a sudden you become a book guy who has done this thing. And so, I get a fair amount of like, review copies now, pdfs of books that are due to come out to see if I could write for them, and most of them I just have to tell them I can't, cause it's just not, I wouldn't know, or want, to read your book on goetia [laughing]. I wouldn't know how to review it if I did, cause I have no interest in that kind of spirit interaction.  But like I've been really lucky to get two books, recently, one from Devin Hunter and one from Matt Auryn, that are really great, and part of the reason that they work for me is that their approach is really like a psychic clairvoyant take on witchcraft. So it's like witchcraft with the kind of traditional psychic components brought way to the forefront. Which are not my strong point. So it's one of those things that I can read and go like, “Oh, yeah, I can see how I could grab this practice here and use this to develop something that I don't have,” you know. And so they've both been really good for that. But in general, kind of reading within the field gets harder and harder for me as time goes on because I'm so stubborn that it's like, I'm reading and kind of just going, nah, nah, nah, or I've seen this so many times, it's an interesting balance. But ... THERESA: Can I just say this to you? It's not that . . . I know this sounds terrible, but I don't get my inspiration, you know, from reading tarot books. The inspiration that I get from life comes from way different sources. You know, I'm more likely not to get inspired by reading your tarot interpretations but by, you know, maybe listening to a Lil Wayne song. I get my inspiration from very very different places, so . . . AIDAN: Yep.  THERESA: And I think it's because too, I mean every day I'm in tarot. I'm like in tarot and in astrology every day of my life. And so I do still like to read the books, but my creative inspiration rarely comes from that. It rarely comes from reading someone's tarot or astrology book. It's going to come from a very very different source. Cooking is one of my main ways . . . And watching cooking shows and cookbooks, I actually get a lot more inspiration from that. And one of the things I love about cooking--Cooking is very magical. You know I'm very superstitious about food. I won't eat food prepared by somebody I don't like. Food has to be prepared with intention. And what I love about the whole process of cooking, because in another lifetime I should have been a chef, is I love to cook because you're creating and then you destroy it immediately! AIDAN: Yeah. THERESA: It's gone. Boom! It's done. I mean it was there. You know that the remnants are still there because it's showing up either in your waistline, or the indigestion, or the pleasure that you're feeling, but it's gone. It's all gone. I mean, food is magic. FABEKU: It is magic. It always reminds me--first of all, I agree about the source of inspiration. To me, art has been a bigger inspiration on my magic than magic stuff has.  AIDAN: Absolutely. FABEKU: Cooking has been a bigger inspiration on my business than business shit ever has. The ... all of that stuff. Cooking, and I remember there was one time I was eating this really fantastic meal at a restaurant that did amazing food. It was the place you and I ate at, Theresa.  THERESA: Mm-hmm. FABEKU: [00:33:33] When they, when they brought the food out, as I was eating it, I had that moment where it felt like, you know, when you see the mandalas that the Buddhists create, right? THERESA: Yes! FABEKU: They spend fucking forever making these things and they're amazing and they're beautiful and you see them and it's this experience of awe and they're gone-- THERESA: Yes! FABEKU: You know, they just they just wipe them out in a moment and it's like this is what this feels like. it was--and it felt like taking in all of that. Like you said, the creation of it, the attention to detail, the care, the creativity, the magic, and then making that a part of you, and literally it's gone in minutes. It's . . .  THERESA: Yeah! FABEKU: It, to me, that's the kind of thing that that just wows me every time and it does, it doesn't have . . . shit, I don't care whether it's an expensive meal, it doesn't matter about that at all. It's just that thing of something that's been amazingly created and you know that they spent all day in the kitchen prepping for that and literally in a matter of minutes the plate's empty.  THERESA: Uh-huh.  FABEKU: It's, it's phenomenal. AIDAN: Yeah. THERESA: That's like true magic. I mean when I go to when I go to Portland every year there's a restaurant called Castagna that I go to. They now know me because they know I'm nuts about their rolls. and they serve weird stuff. I mean, but it is meticulously prepared and it comes out and I mean I grew up Catholic, so when you eat it, it's like communion. You're taking it into your body, the soul of that chef, and their creativity, and there is nothing more magical than that. AIDAN: Well, I think that that also sinks into another kind of concept that ties into some of Fabeku and I's experiences recently, because we've both been playing [00:35:03] with hyper sigil work. Is that . . . that element of like, you're doing this for right now? And then you're going to do the next thing and the next thing and the next thing. I think is missing from a lot of people's approach to magical arts, that they're like, they're somehow want to use this kind of technology of radical change to produce a static state that will always work for them, is what comes to mind, thinking of that, which has really never been my take. It's like, no, I'm just walking, right? And I'm going to choose where I go. I'm going to . . . but I'm not walking down the street to then stop at that house and then live in that house forever. I'm just walking and sometimes it's easy and sometimes it's hard and sometimes it's snowing, right? but it's very much like that food concept that you bring up, Theresa, and I like that, because it is, it's like, there's not, it's not working to an . . . a permanent end point and I think that all the really cool stuff is like that. For a lot of it, you know. THERESA: Well, a lot of people think they're going to get a permanent result from magic. Same like from a tarot reading, that it's going to be a guarantee of your future and there's no guarantees. I mean, I always say you can have a perfectly great astrology chart and be a complete schmuck. You can get a great reading and you can decide to make different decisions that change and alter what's coming. And when it comes to magic, you can do all the magic in the world, but nothing's going to be permanent, nothing's guaranteed. [00:36:33] And, so again, it's very much like eating. You make something, you make a beautiful ... you put all of your intention and your energy into it, then you've got to like, destroy it and forget about it and see what happens and keep that kind of an attitude about it. AIDAN: Right, or you go on the three-week nothing but dark chocolate binge and you discover you don't feel great at the end of that. THERESA: Well, I do!  AIDAN: Right? THERESA: I have a dark chocolate emergency stash! [laughter] THERESA: We have dark chocolate every day and we always feel good. [laughter] ANDREW: For me, it reminds me-- FABEKU: Yeah, go ahead, Andrew. ANDREW: Go ahead, Fabeku. FABEKU: No, you're good. Go for it.  ANDREW: Okay. Reminds me, you know, one of my teachers when I was in the Aurum Solis, we had this big conversation about students and neophytes and people coming in and you know, how people, why people drop out, why people don't follow through, you know, and all this kind of stuff. and you know, I think that some of the reasons are for the reasons we talked about here. I think there's a variety of reasons, you know, people are, people are in the wrong place, people need something other than the actual longer term arc of it, you know, many reasons that aren't even to do with failure, for why people drop out or don't pursue or stick with these things over time, but I think that one of the things that I realized about myself in that conversation was that at some point along the way I had decided that I was I [00:38:03] ... I was committed to being ready to give up who I thought I was . . . FABEKU: Mm. ANDREW: In order to discover who I was now. THERESA: Mm. ANDREW: You know? And somewhere, and I don't even know where it started, this sort of notion of an anchored identity or an anchored sort of concrete sense of self or practice or other things. I just . . . you know, I just decided that that wasn't useful. And so I stopped thinking that way and started noticing those moments where that slip in the gears or that incongruousness emerged, you know? And then later on when I, you know, when my godmother was still alive, we'd have these conversations, you know, about something or about my reading for a year or whatever. You know, I just remember there were a number of times where she started laughing, she goes, “Well, it's a good thing you have a flexible ego, Andrew, because blah blah blah” whatever. I'm like, “Oh, yeah, all right, [38:59 or so: for change, for change?],” you know? But I think that that stuff is so important and so hard to come by and even at that, you know, I mean, I don't think that it's always easy, right? Like, you know, I mean, I went through a divorce last year. It went well as far as those things go, it went really well and I've changed my ideas around it or I have emerged sort of more clearly who I am on the other side of that. But the . . . all those things take time as well. Right? So even at that, there's no magic to something to be like, all [00:39:33] right, boom, you know, done, changed, whatever, right? Because really if I had that kind of magic, I would, I'd be summoning those goetic spirits and having them finish sorting all the stuff at the house that I'm still trying to sort through. You know? [laughter] AIDAN: Totally. ANDREW: How did Solomon make that happen? How did he get them all working? Right? That's my problem. AIDAN: [39:52 Reblendo? What?] ANDREW: I can get one of them working. But all of them at the same time? I never got that trick down!  [laughter] FABEKU: I think for me what . . . And what you said makes total sense to me, that, that, that fixed sense of identity to me feels really problematic as a human being, and it feels even more problematic as a magician. You know, I think that it feels like, in a lot of ways to me, at this point, magic is just kind of just perpetually riding a wave like Theresa said, there's no, there's a fixed point. There's no done. There's no finished static, got it, nailed down. It's . . . this is what the wave looks like now and now here's what the wave looks like and maybe it's fast or slow or big or it's crashing or whatever the fuck it's doing. But to me, it feels like the most effective thing I can do as a magician is learn how to ride the wave more skillfully and learn how to direct it in, you know, whatever ways that we can. And yeah, I think if you expect something fixed and static, whether that's an experience of yourself or an experience of the world, magic will kick you in the fucking teeth with that stuff. THERESA: And also, if you look at this from a scientific perspective, not that I'm some scientist, I'm not, but . . . ANDREW: Please [00:41:03] ignore the lab coat. [laughter] THERESA: But think about this, you know, everything is changing constantly. We get a new body every seven years. Our cells are constantly changing. So we're not looking the same as we did seven years ago. I mean, I wish I had the same body I had 20 years ago. I don't! Because every seven years your cells are completely regenerating. So when you think about that from a magical perspective, there is no way in hell, you're going to get like some kind of a permanent thing, because everything is always evolving. And my friend Joe one time said to me, and it really pissed me off when I was younger. He said, “You know, the only thing, kid, that's unchanging, is change.” And I'm like, “What the fuck kind of logic is that?” It took a while for that to sink in, but it makes sense. Nothing is going to be an absolute permanent thing. And so when you're doing magic, like you said, Fabeku, it's more about riding with that energy, working with the energy. You can still enact change, but you still have to find a way to move with it.  AIDAN: Right. FABEKU: Yeah, I think for me, my initial interest in magic felt like it was about control and fixing things. And fixing things, I don't mean as in fixing problems: creating a static state, right? And that was all based on my anxiety. THERESA: Yeah. FABEKU: If I can, if I can magic the shit out of this, I can get it solid enough, the way I need it to be, where I need it to be, where I'm going to be fine. And then at some point you realize: even if you can pull that off, tomorrow, it's a different thing. [00:42:33]  THERESA: Yes. FABEKU: Next week, it's an entirely different thing. And so I think for me I spent too much time figuring out: Okay, what's the magic that I can use to create the static state, which of course is bullshit. And now it's: what magic can I use to ride this fucker as effectively and as skillfully as I possibly can, and you know, hopefully keep my head above water in the process.  AIDAN: Yeah. THERESA: I think a lot of us come into magic though, around that whole notion of trying to fix things or control things. Because I know when I got my first introduction to magical things I was a little girl and I would see the ads for The Magic Power of Witchcraft with Gavin and Yvonne Frost in the back of the National Enquirer that my mother used to get. and I would pour over those ads and I thought, “You know, if I get this book,” which, I didn't have the money to get the book, but “If I only could get this book, we'd no longer be poor and then everything would be magically fixed.” Which as you guys know, that's a very childlike way of looking at things. We all know that, let's say we do the magic and get all the money. It's no guarantee that you're not still going to be a loser, you know? So but in my childlike mind, I would look at those ads and that was like, this is the answer I need, to do this witchcraft stuff. I need to get this magic, get rich so I can get out of this household and everything will be better. FABEKU: Yeah. AIDAN: Right, and it's funny because then I think, you know, I . . . It kind of sinks it all that [00:44:03] stuff. Whereas the reality is, like, well, when you get out of that household, it'll be different.  THERESA: Yeah.  AIDAN: And that will probably be better, just because it will be different, right?  SOMEONE: Mm-hmm. AIDAN: And I think that that's one of the games that people can get fucked up by, is not realizing like no, no, no, that's . . . You're looking at an end step that might really be step one. Like if your situation isn't working, it may not be that you need to do magic. It may be that you need a different situation. Which is often really hard and really uncomfortable but you can almost always have one.  THERESA: Yes! AIDAN: You're not incarcerated, you can walk out of your life right now and do something different. And everybody goes, well no, there's all these things. You go, no, those are all real things, but none of those is stopping you from walking out your front door and having a completely different life. ANDREW: Yeah, I think that . . . AIDAN: And it may be ugly as hell, but you can do it. FABEKU: Yeah. ANDREW: Yeah, I think that, you know, if you're, if you're caught between those things, right? You know, like between sort of starting a new life and not. You know, magic isn't necessarily the answer either, right? Because, like thinking back to sort of like this time last year, you know my ex and I decided to call it--in July right on one of the equinoxes--or, one of the eclipses [00:45:33]--that happened, right? So, you know and . . . but like, the first half of that year leading up to this was just sort of like, clear noticing on both sides that stuff wasn't right. And this notion of like, well, what if we do this, what about this? What about that? You know and then trying those things, and a lot of that stock is predominantly, in this case, you know, not in everybody's case, because there's many different experiences, right? But like a lot of that stuff was psychological, right? THERESA: Mm-hmm. ANDREW: And that kind of clarity, you know, comes from processing it, right? Not from, not from a magical act, be like. All right, give me clarity, you know, like not even from like, you know, I mean, I could have asked the Orishas, and be like, hey, should I, should I, should I get divorced, you know? And they would have given me an answer, you know? But, but even that, if we're not clear in ourselves and we're not ready to make a change, the question is not, the question needs to move away from do I stay or do I go, but how do I get clearer in myself about it? And how do I get organized and acknowledge what are my concerns, what are the real-world challenges? What are . . . you know, all that kind of stuff so we can actually get ourselves to a place of clarity and some of those smaller steps might be susceptible to magic. Like hey, you know what? Maybe if I, if I had more money, I [00:47:03] would make a different decision here. THERESA: Mm-hmm! ANDREW: Well, I could do some magic around that, but that's not the same as making a piece of magic to get to that clarity necessarily, or to carry us through this idyllic state on the other side, you know? Does that make any sense? FABEKU: Yeah, it makes . . . It makes total sense to me, because when . . . So I got divorced five years ago, five and a half years ago, whatever it was, and it was a long process for us. It wasn't . . . Nobody just woke up one day and said, “Oh shit, I'm done.” Like, it . . . little . . . years of it in some ways. And I've thought a lot about like, why did that take so long? Not in a bad way, but kind of in a curious way. And what I realized is that she and I were both, like you said, kind of inching our way toward that clarity because it wasn't clear: be done, stay, whatever. And so we would try this and then that didn't work. So that moved us a little, a little forward in terms of clarity. Okay? Well, let's try that. That didn't work. And then you kind of reach the end of those things and then you feel clear and it's shitty. It was for me. It was shitty, it was devastatingly sad for her as well. But I think that's the thing. There is a process to that clarity and like you said, how do you magic that? I don't, I don't know how to magic that shit. I mean there was, you know, we both did work around capacity to be open to, let's try this. Let's try that. And also, at some point I said, I think maybe we should also be open to the fact that this might not work in a way that we want it to, right? So not just capacity to fix it but capacity to say, I think that what we need to do is just move in different directions, you know, and that was, that was a process that took a couple fucking [00:48:33] years for us. I mean that was not a fast thing at all. THERESA: But sometimes magic can support things that we're going through, but you still have to do your work.  FABEKU: Yeah. THERESA: You don't ... And that's one of the things I think too, a lot of people, you know, when you first come to, like magic and stuff, we just think it's going to suddenly make our lives better, but it doesn't always work like that. Years ago, when I lived in New York, there used to be a shop called The Magical Child and it was run by a guy named Herman Slater and you can go in there and buy these little magical kits. So my roommate and I were both convinced we had bad luck. So I said, “Let's go ahead and get one of these kits.” And so we got the kit, we did the magic rituals together. I got to tell you, the whole energy in the room shifted. I mean it was weird. It was one of the most intense magical experiences I've ever had. And I looked at my roommate after that and I said, “Did you feel that?” And he said, “Yeah, I felt that too.”  Well, what's really interesting is after that experience, my life did start to change for the better. And a lot of it was me becoming more conscious about: How did I get in the, how did I get into the situation? How can I get out? Whereas even though my roommate and I did that ritual together, his life continued to spiral in terrible directions. And the thing is, you can do all the magic in the world. But if you're still making crappy decisions or not being conscious of the process of getting yourself into a better place that magic is going to be not very effective.  AIDAN: Right. One of the things that I've been ... I've got a piece that I think will be coming [00:50:03] out in the next collection. It has to do with that idea and it's a ... it's a talisman that's focused on the idea of effective power. Like, you know, you can have the stick, you can have the rock, and you can beat them against the other rock and not much happens. But if you know how to set it up as kind of a fulcrum and a lever and you do that on the right side so that once that thing breaks free, it doesn't roll down on you or something, you know, then that's what we would like to have happen more often in our lives. It's like where do we ... And so I think magic can absolutely help but it's, you have to have enough sense of clarity or use it to get enough sense of clarity or use divination to get enough sense of clarity. Whatever gets you there to go: Okay, I want this to change and here is a point that I could apply some pressure where that will happen. And then I'm going to have to probably do follow-up to keep that moving in the direction that I want to because again, nothing's static. It's not like that you pop that pop that spell and then everything is done.  THERESA: Wouldn't that be nice? AIDAN: It would be awesome! [laughter] AIDAN: But it might give you that that that initial push that gets over the inertia that allows you to then kind of keep working on a more, you know, easier level or a less stressful level to get where you want to go. FABEKU: I think one of the things that, that I'm always thinking about and talking about is this idea that magic forces coherence, you know, it's ... It sounds fine to sit down and [00:51:33] enchant for a partner. And then let's say that partner shows up and you've got all kinds of emotional baggage. You've got unresolved bullshit, you're not as available to being loved as you think you would be. So what the fuck happens right? This person shows up, if they show up and then you get to eat shit sorting out your stuff.  So, I mean the magic works right? You got the person, you had the money, you got the job, you got whatever the fuck it is. And then I think it also highlights all of the things that you need to shift in order to be coherent and that's usually not a magic. I mean, sometimes it's a magical thing, but sometimes it's just like “Oh, yeah, I just need to deal with my shit.” Like, “I've got a bunch of stuff. I need to deal with my shit.” Or “I've got money, but I'm really shitty at managing money. So I need to buy a book on managing money.” Like that's the thing. It's ... I like that idea of that fulcrum thing. It will move things in a certain direction and then you have to figure out what the fuck to do as it moves in that direction and if you're unskillful at that, magic's not going to fix that. It can't fix that. And I think that, in a lot of ways this goes back to what Andrew was saying about that fixed sense of identity, you know, so I think that magic in order to change things has to also change who we are and if that doesn't happen, I think we're either going to not have very effective results with magic or I don't think we're going to be able to sustain stuff over time, you know? And most of ... most of that forcing coherence shit fucking sucks. AIDAN: [chuckling] FABEKU: It's not great. You know? It's not a delightful thing. Nobody's like, “Oh great. My new person showed up, now I get to eat shit sorting my stuff.” Nobody wants to fucking do that. [00:53:03] It's a mess. It's a total mess.  THERESA: It's kind of like when people win the lottery. They often think that their problems going to resolve but the money actually brings out more of what they really are. And if they haven't resolved who they are, they end up either blowing it all or doing really awful things with the money.  FABEKU: Yeah. Yep.  THERESA: You've got to resolve who you are because all the magic or tarot cards or astrology or you know, whatever, none of it's going to work if you don't resolve who you are, you have to go there and do the work on you. AIDAN: Yeah, I have a ... I have a guy that I knew through a friend who won the lottery. And I've known a couple of people through friends that have had the usual win, a couple million dollars and just fucking crash and burn and end up in a much worse state than they started and he was like ... I think he was like 16 years into his military career and he was like the perfect guy to win the lottery because he kind of went like, “Oh, that's nice. I will now spend the next four years till I get my pension from the military figuring out what to do with this four million dollars.” He like didn't really do anything because he knew he was not the guy to figure that out, but he could become that guy and was disciplined enough that he actually ... He's doing fabulously as far as I know 25 years later because of that. And he was just set. And he was not carrying a ton of wreckage and he knew where his problems were and he applied himself intelligently [00:54:33] and I think that that's the game.  ANDREW: Yeah. The person who runs the pizza place near where I lived a long time ago. They won the lottery twice. I don't think like a million dollars but like hundreds of thousands of dollars several times and they just kept running the pizza business. Right, like they just kept showing up and making pies and you know, whatever. Like I don't know what they did with the money but like they just never stopped, you know, the place still runs now, you know, and it's like, yeah, life continues, right?  AIDAN: Totally. ANDREW: I think, I think it's actually, you know, I look at ... I look at different people in my profession. And there are some people that I see and based on conversations with them and based on how I see them approaching work, I see them like working to get out of it, you know, they're working to retire. They're working to get enough money or they don't even have a plan to retire maybe and they're hoping that they'll somehow hit it a certain way and get out of it and whatever and, and I think it's, it's really problematic, right? You know, it's like, it's fine if you know, that's what you're doing and you handled it really well, but I think that if you know, like if your buddy in the military had been like, “Ah, I can be late for roll call or whatever because I got a million bucks in the bank,” if ... that's not going to go well, right? you know?  And for me, like [00:56:03] people have asked me a number of times like, “Well, what would happen if you won all this money?” and whatever. I'm like, you know, well, I'd still run the shop and I'd still do readings and I'd still whatever. It would change a bunch of things and it would change how I went about it and maybe how much of it I did. but it's not going to change anything else, because, because I'm in this and I see myself being in this for, you know, indefinitely, you know, as opposed to an end, right? And just with a sort of periodic re-visioning of it to suit where I'm at that point, you know? You know, I'm sure in 10 years I'll have a different approach to being in the store and doing readings than I have now. In 20 years, I'll have a different approach again, but like the notion that I'm not going to be somehow doing what I'm doing in that amount of time just doesn't exist, you know? and I think that it's very, it's very interesting. Like the way in which people think about their future or think about, you know, like now, sort of, you know, not being ... well, I was always polyamorous anyway, but like looking at dating and stuff and it's a hundred percent find [not sure if I heard this right: find?] that people are on OkCupid or Tinder or whatever to meet their person and get off of there. But it's such a, such a complicated energy to bring to something to be there only so you could not be there anymore. You know? AIDAN: Totally. THERESA: I always think when I work that ... Oops. I always think: I get to work today. I [00:57:33] never look at it: “Oh, God, I got to work.” It's always: “Yay, I get to work today.” So I come from a long line of people who love to work and everyone in our family has a good work ethic and we love what we do. So I can't imagine a full retirement. Sorry Aidan. I didn't mean to jump in. AIDAN: Oh, no, I was basically going the same place. You know, I did 30 years of retail, which I didn't love. And so now that I'm able to do something that I do love, I have no intention of quitting. And yeah, it's like you said, if you give me a couple million dollars, I will probably get a warehouse nearby and have somebody build me a half pipe because I'll be able to afford the insurance and going to Panama for the stem cell treatments to repair my injuries instead of just being fucked up. And I will skate a lot more, you know. But yeah, I don't see it changing the whole thing, you know, it's not a ... It wouldn't be a ticket out. It would be like, okay now I can really just kind of chill and go crazy on: What is the best form of this thing that I do if I'm not as reliant on it being somewhat reasonable for people to be able to play with me? You know. ANDREW: For sure. And, you know, and obviously we're not talking about, you know, like I worked at 7-Eleven in high school. If I was still working at 7-Eleven... [laughter] AIDAN: Totally! ANDREW: You know, like, like, you know, we're all definitely in different positions than that, right? THERESA: Right. ANDREW: Like you know, you said you worked retail for [00:59:03] a long time. And that wasn't your jam, you know, and that's completely fair too, right? So like, you know, I don't want anybody feeling bad because they're like, “Oh, I have this job that sucks.” It's like some jobs suck, you know, I mean, you know, some jobs, you know, and whatever, but, and that's where, you know, maybe working some magic to start making some change and see what else you can do to kind of move in different directions, right? Like none of us got where we were and where we are and not that I'm hanging us up as role models either in that sense, but like all of us got where we are over a long period of time, right?  THERESA: Yeah  ANDREW: Lots of changes and lots of acts of magic and acts of dedication and practice and discipline and whatever, different things, luck maybe even, right? you know, like there are lots of ways in which we got where we are. So yeah. FABEKU: And you know, I think, I think a lot of that--going back to the identity thing. I... For me, the reason I keep going back to it is because it seems like such a critical piece, because if you have a fixed sense of identity and you're in a job you hate or you're in a relationship you hate or whatever it is, and you keep telling yourself: “This is who I am. This is what my life looks like. This is what I can do. This is kind of it.” How the fuck do you ever change that, right?  So I think that if you instead kind of look past, this is not the easiest thing to do, but if you, if you can stretch past that and look at the things, like what am I telling myself I can never do that's impossible? The shit I could never have. Why am I telling myself that? Where the fuck did that come from? Is that actually true? If it's not true, what could I do now, that's different, [01:00:33] to get a different job, a different person, a different amount of money, and start looking at those things? But I think it ... that for me, the identity piece and the possibility piece are so intimately connected, I don't think you can separate them.  And you know, if somebody that ... because I think about my dad, like he wanted to be an artist. He wasn't an artist. He spent his entire job in some high-level government corporate bullshit thing that he fucking hated. He was miserable, but that's who he told himself he was. That, that, that was his thing. He couldn't be an artist. He couldn't have a life he loved. He had to go to this place. And he died that way. It was fucking terrible, you know? And almost all of that came back to this identity stuff. And I wonder, you know, if he had, if one day he had said to himself: “Hmm. Is this really true, the bullshit I'm telling myself? It's probably not.” Like I wonder how things would have been different for him. So I mean, I think ... You know, I think those are just important things for people to think about when they find themselves with shit they don't dig.  THERESA: Mm-hmm. ANDREW: Yeah, I was you know, I live, I live on the edge of a really fancy neighborhood in Toronto. And there's, there's this design store that sells, you know, fancy designer stuff. They do interior design for all these like multimillion-dollar homes and stuff like that. And I was looking for, I've been looking for a chair for my bedroom, so I have a spot where I can go and read and be away from, like if my kids want to watch TV and have their friends over, I can be like, that's cool. I'm going to go to my room. You have the main space and I'm going to be comfortable [01:02:03] and relaxed and not feel like I'm like forced to like sit on my bed like that, you know, whatever, right? Because I don't want that resentment. Right?  And, and I was walking by this place and they had this beautiful armchair in the window and it had this amazing bird print fabric, like just these huge finches printed on it. And, you know, being a really fancy store, the fabric was cut perfectly, and the relationship of the birds, the shape of the chair, was amazing. I was just like, “Oh my God, that's such a beautiful chair.” And then I went and looked at it and it was like two and a half thousand dollars or something like that. And I was like, “Huh,” and I walked away. I'm like “Man, such a nice chair, I could never have a chair like that.”  And then I caught myself, because I had to walk past it over a while, and it's like, “Man, well like I can't afford it today obviously, like that's not

The Hermit's Lamp Podcast - A place for witches, hermits, mystics, healers, and seekers
EP88 Stacking Skulls with Briana Saussy - Magic and Gender

The Hermit's Lamp Podcast - A place for witches, hermits, mystics, healers, and seekers

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 26, 2018 104:52


Aidan Wachter, Fabeku Fatunmise, and Andrew McGregor are joined by Braina Saussy for another instalment with Stacking Skulls. This epic 100 minute long episode talks about what is new in each of their lives and what they are up to magically before switching into answering a questions about the role gender plays in magic.  Links for things talked about in the show.  Sarah Anne Lawless - So long and thanks for all the abuse. A History of Sexual Trauma in the Pagan Community Jason Miller - Whole Magic Part 2: Research vs Revelation Amber Karnes Body Positive Yoga  Want to listen to Stacking Skulls Feminist playlist go support the Patreon at the $5 level.  You can do so here. If you want more of this in your life you can subscribe by RSS , iTunes, Stitcher, or email. Find us all online in our respective homes.  Aidan is here. Fabeku is here.  Andrew is here.  Briana is here.  Thanks for joining the conversation. Please share the podcast to help us grow and change the world.  Andrew You can book time with Andrew through his site here.    The transcription exceeds the amount of text allowed by Patreon. You can go read it here on my main webpage. Sorry for the inconvenience. 

OCCULTURE
101. Aidan Wachter in “Gut & Bone” // Punk Rock, Buddhism, Animism & Practical Magick

OCCULTURE

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 12, 2018 67:47


Our guest this time around is Aidan Wachter, talismanic jewelry maker and author of the recently released “Six Ways: Approaches & Entries for Practical Magick”, which is the basis for our conversation here today. This book really struck me in some feel spots as I was reading through it, and you will hear a bit about why and how it did that. Six Ways is a handbook of practical sorcery and magic, as Aidan knows and works it. He says that, “Magic and sorcery have many definitions, and will have many more as we move as a species forward through time. The basic idea is that there are ways of being and interacting in the world that allow for certain kinds of communication, the production of change on both internal and external levels, and the development of what could be called 'special skills and talents'. These are psychic powers or arts, in the old usage of the word: meaning 'relative to the soul, spirit, mind'. These arts of soul, spirit, and mind come down to us in various ways. They come as full-blown systems of magic or witchcraft, as religious practices, as shamanry, as tales and ideas surviving via folklore, song, and literature.” And if you’ve been listening to the show here for a while, it should come as no surprise that that description, which comes directly from Aidan’s book, is firmly my jam, as the older kids like to say.   PATREON EXTENSION Listen at patreon.com/occulture How to get into a trance state Finding your magickal voice and magickal aesthetic The concept of sacred fear or holy fear Aidan’s advice on reclaiming yourself and your power Names for our punk band   RESOURCES “Six Ways” on IndieBound “Six Ways” on Amazon Aidan’s website Aidan on Facebook Aidan on Twitter Aidan on Instagram   DONATE If recurring monthly support via Patreon isn’t your thing, we do accept one time-donations via PayPal, Bitcoin, Ethereum and Ripple. Every little bit helps. Click here if you’re interested.   MERCH We recently released new merch! Check it out on our website or at our Etsy shop.   SOCIAL Twitter Instagram Facebook Tumblr   MUSIC Vestron Vulture - “I Want to Be a Robot (Tribute to Giorgio Moroder”   PRODUCTION & LICENSING This podcast is produced in the Kingdom of Ohio and is licensed under Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International. Executive Producers: Mike K., Carter Y., Mauricio G., Alyssa S., Daniel R., Kelly C., Matt A., Kaleb H., Seisachtheia, Bruce H., David B., Corey T., David G., Jeremy V., Maginfinit, Dunzo, Laura L., Marcelo T., Cameron H., Christopher B., Colleen F., Leonidas, Timothy W., Caleb C., VH Frater RC’s Hermetic Study Group, James B.   REMINDER Love yourself. Think for yourself. Question authority.

Down at the Crossroads - Music. Magick. Paganism.
DatC #088 - Six Ways with Aidan Wachter

Down at the Crossroads - Music. Magick. Paganism.

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 31, 2018 132:14


Hello and thank you once again for joining us down at the crossroads for some music, magick, and Paganism. Where witches gather for the sabbath, offerings are made, pacts are signed for musical fame and we cross paths with today’s most influential Pagans, occultists, and deep thinkers. I am your bewitching, bald headed, host Chris Orapello and tonight Tara and I speak with talismanic jeweler, musician, and author Aidan Wachter about his work, music, and new book Six Ways: Approaches and Entries for Practical Magic. We learn about Aidan's origins, his beginnings with magick and jewelry making. Plus his relationship to groups and their nature and his music which not many people seem to know about. As we talk about his book -Six Ways- we learn about some of the stories behind the work and how it came to be. As well as explore his definition of magick, his approach to working with spirits, and what his current practice looks like. This was a friendly and fun discussion and we were extremely thankful to finally meet with Aidan on the show. Six Ways is a collection of approaches and entries for practical magic. It is not a system, grimoire, or belief system. The focus is on the development of healthy spirit ecologies with a decidedly animist bent. - Aidanwachter.com Featured Songs: "A Will of Its Own" by Wendy Rule "Salt" by Eivør "Two Hands" by Drova "4DC" by Aidan Wachter "Peace Tonight" by Elephant Revival "Hekate" by Faun "The Wicker Man" by Damh the Bard "Odal" by Wardruna Links: AidanWachter.com Six Ways by Aidan Wachter Aidan Wachter on Bandcamp ------------------------------------------------------ ***Support the show on Patreon!*** Receive special benefits, show swag, extra content, and more! -------------------------------------------------------  

New World Witchery - The Search for American Traditional Witchcraft
Episode 130 – Dirt Sorcery and Six Ways with Aidan Wachter

New World Witchery - The Search for American Traditional Witchcraft

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 16, 2018 58:44


Summary: This time around we’re chatting with author and talisman-maker Aidan Wachter about his workshop, chaos magic, the importance of breath, and dirt sorcery.   Please check out our Patreon page! You can help support the show for as little as a dollar a month, and get some awesome rewards at the same time.  Even … Continue reading "Episode 130 – Dirt Sorcery and Six Ways with Aidan Wachter"

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In this episode the band, Andrew McGregor, Aidan wachter, and Fabeku Fatunmise, bring is guest musician and occultist Jason Miller. The converstaion covers magick, ego, meditation, and much humour.  Think about how much you've enjoyed the podcast and how many episodes you listened to, and consider if it is time to support the Patreon You can do so here. Jason can be found here.  Aidan can be found here.  Fabeku can be found here.  Andrew can be found here.  In stacking skulls we trust shirts can be bought here.  If you want more of this in your life you can subscribe by RSS , iTunes, Stitcher, or email. Thanks for joining the conversation. Please share the podcast to help us grow and change the world.  Andrew Transcript ANDREW: Hey there, folks. We're back this week with another episode of The Hermit's Lamp podcast, and today is recording Stacking Skulls. As you may recall, this is our fictional occult rock band, which started last year or so, and, you know, continues to be a regular segment on the podcast, so we have back Aidan Wachter, and Fabeku, and joining us in the guest spot this week is Jason Miller. So, for folks who are just starting this fine journey with us, who are you, Aidan? What are you -- Who are you?  AIDAN: I don't know. I can't tell. Today. I'm a talismanic jeweler. I've been doing the magic thing for 30-something years now. And technically now I can say I'm a bestselling author, which is ridiculous, but awesome.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: And that's it! I make jewelry, I write some, I live on a micro ranch with a bunch of birds and some dogs and some goats.  ANDREW: And rabbits. AIDAN: And a lot of rabbits. [sigh] They're our doom plan. If doom happens, we know what we're eating for the first few months till they're gone. [laughing] ANDREW: How about you, Fabeku?  FABEKU: Yeah. I do business stuff. I've done magic for 30 years. Artist, writer, shoe aficionado, live with a terribly spoiled Internet famous cat who will probably make some kind of an appearance at some point in our conversation. Yeah. That's about it. I don't live on a micro ranch. So.  AIDAN: [laughing] ANDREW: How about you, Jason?  JASON: Oh, author, teacher, sorcerer, been doing this since I was 15 and I'm 45 now, so, you know, a long time.  ANDREW: Yeah. So you know, listening to this, it makes me realize, we're all getting old! [laughter] ANDREW: I remember a time when I used to be like super inspired by like "Oh my god, they've been doing this for like this many years..." and now I'm sort of getting on the other end of that spectrum, you know, I mean I've been reading cards for 35 years now, something like that. And doing magic for about the same. And you know, now I'm on that end of the thing, I'm like man, I'm starting to sound old, I'm starting to talk about, you know, stuff that doesn't exist anymore. I'm like, man...  [laughter] AIDAN: We were talking about this, Fabeku and I. [static 00:02:59]  ANDREW: Yep. Well, it happens, right? Hopefully, if you keep working at it, it gets better and better. Which has definitely been my experience. Right?  FABEKU: Yeah, yeah, for sure.  ANDREW: So, I mean, we recorded three months-ish ago, last time. What's new? What's going on? In your lives? What's changed since we talked before? If anything stands out?  AIDAN: For me, the main thing is I spent, just spent a week with my grandkids and their mom, and that was awesome. That was something I have been looking forward to since they were born. They just turned five months old. And they're awesome. ANDREW: Nice.  AIDAN: Mama's killer. And it was a super good time. So. ANDREW: That's awesome. Mmmhmm. And your book came out and is doing super well.  AIDAN: It has. I forgot that that actually is within that same window. Yeah, the book's doing great, and really pleased with that. And by the first of August I'll actually be set to start sending those out to shops wholesale. I've got enough space and figuring out how we're doing that. We kind of wanted to see how the ... how that played out overall. But that'll be again going starting in August, so.  ANDREW: Amazing. I can't wait. People keep coming and asking for them and I keep having to tell them to go to Amazon, so. I'll be happy to ... to service that need, so. Yeah.  AIDAN: Yeah. So, I'll have the specs up on that on the website shortly, but anybody that's interested that has a shop can just drop me a line as well and I'll add them to the list.  ANDREW: Nice. So I guess I'm curious. How has this publishing this book changed your sense of self? Or your identity? Or has it?  AIDAN: It's been really good, because I think, due to spending a lot of time early on in kind of magical circles that I didn't really grok ... ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: I ... In the last few years of kind of being public again, I've kind of realized that yeah, some of what I do does make sense to people, you know?  ANDREW: Mmm. AIDAN: It is useful to people. But the general responses that I've got from the book have been so killer that I'm like, "Oh, excellent.” So there ARE a lot of people who are doing or at least open to the type of work that I do, which to me is really good, cause you just don't know, in general, if you're kind of as reclusive as I tend to be. And so that's been really good. I mean it hasn't changed what I do or anything, but I'm feeling more kind of excited about what that I choose to think is going on in the magical world [chuckling] whether I'm right or not.  ANDREW: Mmm. AIDAN: There's at least a reasonable sized number of people who are at least kind of on the same page or interested in that.  ANDREW: Yeah.  AIDAN: It's cool.  FAB: Nice.  ANDREW: How bout, how are ... FABEKU: I think you came out at just the right time, man.  AIDAN: Yeah, for sure.  FABEKU: Absolutely. ANDREW: Yeah, I mean and if you're listening and you haven't read Aidan's book, you know, I've read a ton of books over the years and everybody who's on here has, and it's a book that I wish I had read first.  FABEKU: Absolutely. ANDREW: It's definitely, you know, I started with Magic in Theory and Practice, that was my introduction to magic, and the only book that I owned on it for a number of years, and I think about how obtuse and unapproachable that book is from a practical point of view and from a like, you know, what do you actually do in the room when you're standing there with all these things? It's just not set up for that very well, and yeah, the amount of time I wasted sorting through and figuring out stuff and being like, "Ohh, I get it, you have to do this with your arm, okay, now I understand," you know, or whatever ... Yeah.  AIDAN: [laughing]  ANDREW: Mmmhmm.  AIDAN: Thank you. ANDREW: Yeah.  FABEKU: I think for the longest time there was this divide of [clears throat] a free approach represented by chaos magic but that rejected sort of spirit and offerings and such, and then traditionalists who were working with spirits and ... but rejected sort of a freer more streamlined approach and in recent years those things have come together and Aidan is sort of right, Six Ways is like a perfect manual, for, look, you don't have to reject spirits to have this freedom and streamlining of chaos. It's ... ANDREW: Mmm. FABEKU: You know, they can work, meld together perfectly. Absolutely. ANDREW: Yeah. Well, I think that, I think it's something that we all share to a large degree, this sort of connection to spirit and sort of working with spirits, and I think that, at least in my experience, if you're listening to the spirits that you're working with, you're going to end up in some more free-flowing kind of space in some way or other, right? You know that communication that can come back from them, you know, is super, can be super open-ended, you know? And even in, you know, like in my Orisha tradition and stuff which is sort of theoretically super structured, I mean it is very structured, but it's still the Orishas dictating that structure, dictating what comes through, right? You're like, what offering will you accept to help me with this thing? What offering do I need to make to make this connection stronger? You know, and then you just proceed to, you know, in that case, in a formalized process, but in other ways, you just proceed down a list of, would you like something like this, would you like that, you know? And I think that that's so contrary to sort of my notions from the ceremonial stuff that I started in, which were, I better do all this calculus ahead of time and be sure that, you know, all the names add up to the right numbers, and all the colors are there, and all the ... you know, angles are right and all these sort of things, otherwise I'm going to open a vortex into the abyss, and the universe is going to collapse, or you know, whatever, right?  AIDAN: Totally. FABEKU: Been there, yeah.  AIDAN: And I think too, I mean, I think one of the cool things with working with spirits is, that I don't hear a lot about is, it gives you an option to kind of go, is ... Am I even looking at this in any way in the right way?  ANDREW: Mmm. AIDAN: And have some feedback from that, right? We can do that just through divination if we believe that the divination doesn't involve spirits, I guess, but [laughing] kind of more specifically doing it with the people that you're working with, whether that's divination or trance and going, okay, what am I just wasting my time on here? What's not going to happen this year?  ANDREW: Mmmhmm.  AIDAN: Or where should I focus this year? Or where did I kind of fall off the track, where did I fall off the rails, and that's a huge benefit to me.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm.  FABEKU: Well, you know, I think the other piece, kind of following this thread, is, you know, to me, it's interesting when you're able to get the spirit's perspective on something. You know, how does this spirit see the thing that I'm looking at? How does this plant spirit see it? How does this animal spirit? How does this stone spirit see it, right? It's like, for me, that's one of the, like you said, the valuable things, right? Because you know I think that we get so fixed into this human vantage point, which, you know, is necessary and fine, but, you know, there's times when all kinds of amazing shit happens, when we can step out of that and swing around and look at it through a different set of eyes, whether that's through the spirits or through trance work, or, you know, whatever it is, I think it ... That for me is one of the most valuable things, it's like ... And specifically for me, it's been a helpful question to go to the spirits and ask, all right, what's my blind spot, like what am I completely not seeing, what am I fucking up, what am I mistranslating, you know, how am I failing to see this in a way that would be more helpful or more coherent or, you know, whatever it is?  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. Yeah. Never underestimate the human capacity to rationalize stuff and avoid looking at the things, right? for sure.  JASON: Mmmhmm.  FABEKU: Yeah.  ANDREW: So, how often are people checking in? In this way? How often, how often do you check in on this kind of thing, like ask for that kind of feedback?  FABEKU: For me, it's an almost daily thing, in smaller ways, you know, it's ... whether that's through divination or through, you know, starting the day with sitting with the spirits and listening and asking, you know, and then probably, you know, sort of larger more structured-ish ways, but you know, I think for me, the more I've plugged into this idea of different vantage points, the more I've realized the value of it and the necessity of it, so it feels ... It feels off to me not to check in frequently at this point. you know, it's ... and not in a weird tell me what to do way, it's not that thing at all ... It feels like, sometimes it feels like driving with my eyes closed, and it's like, yeah, I don't need to do that, let me just check in with ...  [laughing]  FABEKU: The spirits or whatever it is, to make sure I'm not headed toward the fucking ditch, or over a cliff or you know whatever ... So for me it's a pretty constant thing.  JASON: Yeah, it, for me, it's, you know, it's similar to how we check in with other people. I mean, if I have something short that I need to hear from one of you guys, I might text you, and you'll text me back, and it takes just a minute, and there are experiences like that, with the spirits through dreams, through signals, through a brief appearance or a divination throughout the week, and then there's formal like, you know, let's set some time aside to chat by Zoom or have coffee or something, and those are sort of akin to the "It's Saturday, I'm going to sit down and do my thing for Cyprian and see what he has to say." So you know? It's that mix of formal and informal two-way communication, because sometimes it's them being like, hey, dumbass! [laughing]  ANDREW: Right. Definitely. Sometimes it's like that tap on the shoulder. Sometimes it's a smack on the back of the head, right.  AIDAN: [laughing] Totally. ANDREW: You know. Yeah. And I feel like it would be . ... It would make me feel cool to say that I, you know, never got to the smack in the head level, but, you know, it totally happens, right? Like it ... It's one of those things that I think that there's this notion that we'll go down these kinds of roads and we'll get clear and focused and you know we'll discover our true will or whatever, and we'll just be like, now I'm a laser and I'm on focus and on target and everything just continues, but it's not really like that, it's such a wandering meandery thing and life keeps sort of pulling at it, for me anyway, for me all the time, whether it's like, stuff with my kids, stuff with the house, stuff with the business, stuff with this, and it's like, oh yeah, wait wait, I'm getting unfocused again, thanks for the tap on the head, now I have to go back to it, you know.  FABEKU: you know it reminds me, there's a proverb that ... from Ifa, that says we lose the way to find the way, and that to me has been one of the most useful things that I've learned, because, for me anyway, there never has been that point of okay, I've anchored into the thing, and I'm set, and I'm good, and everything just flows fine from here. It's just, I don't, I don't have that experience of things. So, you know, I look at this kind of losing of the way, whether it's a little mini thing or a great big detour in the middle of who knows where, is, just, to me that's the process, as annoying as it is, and I find it super fucking annoying, I have no enlightened perspective on that at all, I find it incredibly annoying.  AIDAN: [laughs] FABEKU: But annoying and common, so ... AIDAN: Well, I think too, it's like Dan John, who's a strength coach, he says, "Everything works, until it doesn't." [laughing] Right? If we would like to have this sense where we could kind of find that track that is perfect all the time, but in reality, whether, no matter what it is, you get your three weeks, month, three months, year, and then you come off the rails, cause things just need to change, you're totally different, the situation is totally different. And you have to adapt to that.  JASON: Honestly, it's a good measure for people, especially at the beginning, where they're still sort of differentiating, am I projecting, or am I perceiving something? If the spirit you're talking to is always agreeing with you and always affirming you, and ... that's you in your fantasy. [laughing]  FABEKU: Yes, yes, yes.  AIDAN: Absolutely.  FABEKU: yeah. AIDAN: Yeah. That's something we've talked about a lot here, is that's the main sign, right, if they don't periodically go, dude, do this instead ... ANDREW: Mmmhmm.  AIDAN: And you're like, "what, I don't want to do ... " And it's like, "yeah, do it instead," [laughing] then I think we're probably doing pretty well here ... [laughing]  ANDREW: Exactly. They come through like, go ahead, knock yourself out, I'll be waiting here when you're tired and you want to like [cross-laughing 00:17:17]  AIDAN: [laughing]  ANDREW: Yeah. Well, this kind of leads into a question that somebody asked, you know, what do people think about destiny in relationship to this, right? Like We're talking about our attempt to stay focused or stay online and the values and trials of meandering off track a bit. Where's destiny in this mix? What do people think here?  Mmm. [laughter] That's what we think!  FABEKU: Well, here's [inaudible/static 00:17:55] just making it up. [static 00:17:56 through 00:18:03] is I think there's this fixed elements, and then there's elements that are in flux, right? you know I don't have a sense that everything is somehow laid out, and again, who the fuck knows? And I think that there are probably some elements that are set. What those are, no idea, I'm sure they're probably different for everybody, I think most of the other pieces are kind of in play, and there's some flux to those. you know how do we figure those out, I don't know, the way I figure it out is kind of a mix of divination, but probably even more than that, it's, you know pushing against it magically: does this budge? What does it do? How does it respond when ...? When I point magic at it? Does it flex, does it push back, does it change, does it, you know, tell me to go fuck myself? What does it do when magic gets pointed in that direction? but yeah, so for me, it feels like a mix, so I think, at least in my experience, it feels like there's more that's in flux than not in flux. you know I kind of struggle with the idea that it's all kind of mapped and laid out and we just all kind of somehow run our way through it, that doesn't seem consistent with my experience at all.  ANDREW: Mmm. Yeah. I tend to think of it like traveling through outer space, right? So there's tons of space, right? There's tons of free will. There's tons of like, we can move in many directions. But I also think that when we're plotting our course and stuff, we encounter gravity, right? from stars, from planets, from whatever, some of those we might want to go directly to for some reason, some of those we might just find ourselves near as we're going by. And you know as we proceed through our lives, the choices we've made, the history of ourselves, you know, they kind of lock us into these different kind of patterns, right, and, but, you know, I think that where this metaphor falls down is some of those things are destined, right? We're inevitably gonna get close to something, and maybe that's put there in our orbit for whatever reasons, right? And, you know, it's kind of that situation that you push, you pull, you're caught in, it's like an episode of Star Trek, right? You're caught in the gravity well, what do you do, right? how do you get out of it? Or do you get out of it? Can you get out of it? you know, and I think that different people's lives have different quantities of these kinds of things, you know, and I also think that the more one pursues magic and spiritual stuff, the more ... If you're doing it well, the freer one becomes and the more ... you know, thrust you have to sort of move in different directions until you don't, right? And I think that that's always the thing, right? It's ... I don't think that we ever become truly free of it entirely. But it definitely doesn't run the show either all the time.  FABEKU: Yeah. Absolutely.  JASON: I rarely think in terms of destiny. And I think I probably divine less than a lot of people too. I'm [clears throat] I was watching an old episode of House recently, and if you've ever seen it, he never tests for anything, he's just like you know we think it might be this, let's give the treatment, and if they get better, we'll know that's what they have, and if not, we still have to keep going. And I remember sitting there and thinking like, you know, that's a little bit like how I deal with magic ... [laughing]  ANDREW: mmm.  JASON: you know, well, let's throw this at it and see if that works, and you know, I guess it's not that I don't ever feel destiny or sense destiny, I try to ignore it. And I just feel like if I ... The best decisions are made without that in mind. For me.  AIDAN: Yeah. I'm kind of with Jason on that. I think that there's something, whether you want to call it destiny or fate or whatever that's present, but it's kind of like, you know I take everything back to the physical just on a constant, it's kind of like our genetics, and not in some kind of, you know, racialist kind of way, but like, I'm 5'10" and I'm not gonna be a great NBA player no matter what. [laughing] And so there's things that are like that. I think that go on in magical practice, and that's one of the kind of processes that I think we all go through is that we figure out what works for us and what doesn't. And you kind of have to learn to not bang your head too much against the things that just consistently don't work. And so on that level, I think that's real, I think that there's some stuff each of us are better at. But as far as like ... And I also get your kind of gravity concept, cause there's definitely things that I get pulled to really hard. But I think that that's like my allies assisting, like, you should totally go check this out ... ANDREW: mmm. AIDAN: More than I think it's anything like fate or destiny.  ANDREW: All right. Wizards 4, destiny zero.  [laughing]  ANDREW: So, another question that we got asked here was, you know, as often comes up, you know, especially when Aidan's gonna be on the show, about trance work and meditation and stuff, right? But I know that Jason's also a master meditator, you know? [laughing]  ANDREW: I hear wonderful things about his course and so on, so. But, you know, I guess, you know, the question's sort of like, someone was asking to share what really sort of comes from that, like what's an example of how that really changed something for you or for all of us, you know, so but let's frame it more generally. What do you get from that practice? How does it serve you? And why might people want to ... want to dig into that more, you know? Let's start with the master meditator.  [laughing]  JASON: well, so, you know, are we talking meditation or trance? Cause they're ....  ANDREW: Well, they put them together, so.  JASON: So for me they're really radically different things.  AIDAN: I ... FABEKU: Yeah, for sure.  JASON: In trancework, if, you know, if what I see is important, I'll follow it, and, you know, take it on that journey. In meditation I'm learning to rest in the natural state of my awareness. So, if, you know, the virgin Mary walks up to me, picks up her skirt, and says, "follow me," I'm supposed to go, "sorry, I'm meditating, you know, I'll save five minutes after the meditation [laughs] but you know I'm focused on this thing right now." And so that's the ... if a Buddha appears on the road, kill it. And what I get out of it is a grip on what my own mind feels like. It's first of all, it ... when things arise, that are momentary wants, you know, I really want a burger with a lobster on top, but what I should have is a salad [laughing], meditation helps say, okay, you know, release that thought, focus on, you know, what the will is all about. But it's also when I sense things from spirits and they're not audible, like I can hear them with my physical ear, I can ... you get an idea of what your own mind feels like, and what input is, as opposed to fantasy. So, you know, there's just tons of benefits for meditation. All of which can sort of be reached through other things. But then it's a matter of, do you want 100 different things to get these 100 benefits, or do you want to do just the one thing? That is unfortunately antimagical for a lot of people. It's the hardest thing to get students to do. They, you know, they really don't like it. [laughing]  ANDREW: Mmmhmm.  AIDAN: Yeah, that's ... I ... for me, yeah, they're totally different things, and kind of similarly, meditation for me is kind of just how I get to ground zero. Like, what's going on with me? Where is the continuous chatter going right now? And can I kind of back away from that and turn the volume down on that so that I can ... yeah, kind of have my own mind for a while, and decide what I really need to do, rather than ... especially now with the Internet [laughs] and 8 million terrible movies on Netflix and Amazon Prime and whatever we all have. We're like in the eon of distraction and so meditation is like a beautiful way of just going, okay, I'm going to take 20 minutes or 10 minutes or an hour or whatever, and I'm going to sit down and not be distracted to the best of my ability which is totally variable depending on the day. And I think it's just ... It's like immeasurably helpful for me is what I would say. But yeah, it's difficult for magicians because we want to do stuff, we want to make change, and so the benefit I would say is that meditation for the magician will help you see what is really, what you really want to change, rather than being kind of caught in distraction, and delusion not in the massive way but in the ... not in the kind of universal way, but just in the small deletions. I really like the ... burger with the lobster sounds great! [laughing]  ANDREW: I'm just wondering if that's a path to one of the things I could get from meditation, that's really what ...  [laughter] AIDAN: I think it's a brilliant idea, personally [laughter] [crosstalking/laughter 00:29:28] ... I'm kind of with the concept! JASON: It's literally on the menu at a place around the corner from here, hamburger topped with lobster meat, at a nice remoulade, it's wonderful ... AIDAN: Oh, man! JASON: Casey's Caboose. But, you know, and you get to this realization that there's nothing that we know that's not coming through our own minds. So I remember sitting there with somebody, some guy, I don't know who he was, he was wearing this weird robe in Bodanat, and he was sitting out, just on the walkway around the great stupa, and he was making a big show of being like really important with his robes and this mala that was like 108 baseball like sized things, and he's sitting there, and all of a sudden he started to get angry at everybody walking by, but, you know, this is also the center of town, people walk by. And at one point he just -- like I'm sitting like 100 feet away from him eating lunch at an outdoor cafe and he like gets up and he's like "People can't see that I'm meditating!" And I'm like, well, I don't know what your robes are for, but you suck at this! Because ... [laughing] You know, ultimately, if we realize how distracted we are with our own just push and pull of every little thing that we ... that's been laid on our minds our whole lives, and if you believe in past lives, then all of that too, like the momentary distraction is just another one of those things. Like the external like the guy walking by is so much less insidious then what do I want for dinner? Or I'm so good at this meditation thing! I'm the best. I'm so clear! [laughter] ANDREW: For sure. FABEKU: You know, for me I think that ... I agree, that meditation and trance are really different things. For me, meditation has been the thing that I go to to reduce the noise that amps the signal. Right? And I think that, you know, whether that's before magical work, facing the day, dealing with hardship, having a difficult conversation, whatever it is, it's the place that I can go that I can turn the volume down on the noise so that the signal is clearer and more easily accessible. And then trance for me is a thing that I would say changes the types of signals that I can access. Right? So it's like it expands the frequency band that I have access to.  And, you know, I think the other useful thing for me with trance, and I think maybe some people do this with meditation but that's not my relationship to it ... There's this transcendent quality to it, and I don't ... what I mean by that is ... again, this kind of goes back to when we get sort of too boxed into our own shit, whether that's a struggle we're facing or our own perspective or whatever it is, when we move into a trance It's like we have the ability to kind of stretch out and shake all that shit off, and in that there's this, there's this sort of expanded capacity, expanded coherence, expanded velocity, all of these things happen. So for me sometimes there's a focus trance work of going to a particular place, working with a particular spirit, or doing a particular type of working, and sometimes there's just this accessing a trance state for that transcendent ability of being able to kind of stretch out and shake all the bullshit out so I can get back to doing whatever it is that I need to do in a way that is clearer and more coherent and more effective.  AIDAN: Totally. Yeah, and for me, the trance thing is like my main kind of spirit contact space. I'm not ... I've never been one that gets super clear messaging when I'm awake. I get enough to work with. But if I actually kind of want in depth communication, that all happens to me ... that all happens for me in trance, and I do a lot of what I kind of think of as body work, though it's not necessarily physical body work there. That's kind of where I do most of my healing work for myself. And yeah, for me it's just the most open space that I can go into in terms of like experiential contact with the spirits. Where I can kind of go into the zone or where I know that I meet those things. And the communication is much clearer and much more two way and it allows them to show me things that I normally, I'm just not that visual when I'm awake. And clear -- you know, eyes open, daytime shit. And then, that's where now I get most of my ritual instruction. That's where that stuff comes from, is the allies that I have, they're so few of them that are kind of continuously ... Not like every day, but you know every once in a while, and that might be every year or two, somebody will go, "You should try this, for a while," and those have all been really huge, huge things for me. They're much more useful than the ones that I come up with when I'm sitting there with a pen and paper going "I want this, I'm gonna do it this way." So. ANDREW: Hmm. FABEKU: Well, and in that way, I think that the trance space, for me, is one of the most effective working spaces. Right? So going back to one of the ideas in chaos magic that, you know, trance or gnosis is required for magic. I don't know that that's entirely true, but for me it's largely true. In terms of the way that I function and the way that I work, and it's not that I can't do magic outside of that space, I do, but there is a difference in the experience, and oftentimes a difference in the results that I have when I do magic in that trance space as opposed to when I don't. So you know I wouldn't necessarily say that it's a required component for everybody, but for me, it's a really profoundly necessary ingredient.  ANDREW: yeah, I think I might be a bit ... Huh. Either my conception of it or my language around it makes it seem like I'm an odd person out in this conversation, or I just have kind of a different approach, you know. I don't really meditate any more. I always feel like I should, like I get this like, you know, right up there with I should eat salad, and I should do whatever, but I find that I spend so much time floating and connected to spirit side, I mean I spend 15 hours a week doing readings and stuff for people, plus whatever other time I'm doing with that, so I'm so continuously connected to that space, and continuously flexing that muscle of, is this me, is this my thought, is this the divination, is this the spirit message, you know so like I'm kind of always working that stuff, in a way that ... I feel like, maybe this is a bad metaphor, but I feel like a personal trainer in that regard, you know? I spend so much time at the gym moving stuff around that I'm not so sure what is left that I need just for myself in that regard?  And then most of what I need for myself in that regard comes through making art and sort of being connected, which is probably where my trancelike stuff happens, you know sitting down with whatever I'm working on, and just sort of channeling stuff through and working in that capacity or going to the places in nature where you know the spirits that I work with more so like to be present and sort of paying attention for signs and omens and communications there? But I feel like that trance space where spirit's accessible to me or messages are accessible to me, sort of almost always continuously just at the edge of my awareness? And so I feel like I can fall into it so easily now that setting aside big chunks of time or sort of regular pieces of practice for it, just haven't seemed super necessary. And when I've sort of buckled down with that should, like I should do this, I'm gonna do this, and you know I do it for a period of time and I don't really notice a particularly big difference, and to some extent I feel like I spend a lot of time showing up and nothing happens, cause they'll be like, "dude, I already talked to you earlier today. I don't know why you're here?" [laughter] ANDREW: you know? I don't have that hamburger you want now, that's not gonna happen, right? So.  [laughter] FABEKU: Well, but to me, I think that's one of ... To me, [static 00:38:54] trance stuff, is that like you said, it becomes accessible, it's right at the edge. So, you know, 20 years ago, it felt like kind of the production to get into that space. Now we ... I close my eyes and take a couple of breaths, and you're there. And so in that way, I think that's another really concrete benefit that's come from doing that work for so long, it doesn't feel like a different state to me, it feels a little like leaning to the left, as opposed to, you know, however it is I'm normally sitting. It's a slight but significant shift at this point.  JASON: Doing inner heat practice, the Timo practice, has really helped [clears throat] move my ... make that trance state much closer and deeper so that I can do what Aidan is talking about, like you know receive those messages down to the details of this is the practice, this is how it should go, and then you know you take it for a spin and then the next time it's like "no, you didn't do that quite right," and then, what's amazing is some of the stuff that I teach professionally is rooted in those kinds of messages, and then when I go to teach it, the spirits are like, well, it was fine for you to be this loose about it, but if you're gonna, you know, we should firm this up, so I'll be like [heavy sigh], there's more I have to add here that I didn't expect [laughing].  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. For sure.  AIDAN: Totally.  ANDREW: Yeah. And I think that, you know, as you say Fabeku, right, you get to this place where it is so close all the time, right? If you're doing that practice, right? you know I mean, I spent a year doing pranayama every day for like an hour, and then doing just sitting meditation for a chunk of time as well, like, you know, all those things, right? But they, this is the downside to being old, they're so far back that I don't entirely remember them as a lived practice as such, you know?  [laughter] ANDREW: That's just like, 20 odd years ago. I don't remember exactly what that's like. I have some documentation and some memories, but it's not ... I know, it's like learning to swim, right? Once you know how to swim, you no longer really think about it anymore, so.  FABEKU: Yeah. ANDREW: Mmmhmm.  AIDAN: And I think that ties into the stuff that Jason teaches in Strategic Sorcery and Sorcerer's Secret, I think? And that I have my versions of in Six Ways, on the kind of energy work, the orbital work and stuff like that, is that yeah, there's a period when you kind of really have to focus on that stuff, until you've kind of got a solid sense of it, and then it's available, unless you kind of just get too distant from it, and then you've got to drop back in, and then you know kind of do the refresher. It's a little bit like, my take on running now that I'm not a runner, it's like, I don't have to run every day, I have to run a little bit to kind of keep all that metabolism still working properly, and if I take too much time out, like I did from being injured, then I actually have to take, you know, maybe eight or 12 weeks to kind of work back up to where I can actually run a couple of miles once a week without it being a big thing, but then I don't have to focus on it as much. And I think that that's just kind of the process of everything, that you've got to kind of put in the ground work, and then once that foundation is built, it allows you some flexibility. It's not like you have to sit and meditate for the same amount of time forever every day or you're fucked. But you start to notice like, oh, my brain is kind of churning nonsense, I probably need to sit a little more.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm.  FABEKU: Well, you know, the way I look at it is, is like a chef, right? In the beginning when they're in training, they have to practice their knife skills, and that means cutting up fuck loads of carrots, day after day after day after day, to get them just right. And then after a period of time when they have that skill, they don't have to think about it, right? you know they just, They have access to the expertise that's come from that and, of course, you don't have to sit and chop piles of carrots forever and ever and ever, but there is that muscle building period, I think, until you get that skill, that muscle memory of it, where you can clear the static, you can move into trance, you can enliven the sigil, whatever it is, you can do the thing, because you've built up the practice, and that, you know, that takes time.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. For sure.  AIDAN: Yeah, and for me, that works for everything, so like, now I'm sure that there are people, just cause I'm talking to people about it, some folks that aren't public practitioners, so I'm willing to talk to them a little bit in the background about some of the Six Ways practices. Like yeah, that, whether it's the reclaiming rite, or the Stars of the Sixth Way, or the scraping, this is like a long process for them, cause it's super new to them, cause they're having to think through all of it, and sit with it, and that whole thing is like, maybe five minutes a day for me.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm.  AIDAN: It's totally effective within that. But it is, it's like I've practiced that thing so much or those things, that I can kind of wander in and go, okay, what needs to happen today, do it, and be back with what else is going on really quickly.  JASON: You get that body memory, and it, you know, it just comes naturally.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. For sure. So, another question we got asked, was what do you see as sort of magicians' roles in the world, you know? Is this a thing that's changing, do you think of yourselves, you know ... we're all public figures to one extent or another, right? Do you see an ... do you see the way in which being a magician and being out in the world is changing? Is it the same as it's always been? Is it even a relevant question for you? What do you think?  JASON: It's starting to get more ... more acceptance. I think. [laughing] It's certainly, you know, it's ... Well, yeah. It's starting to get more acceptance. As for what the role is, in the world, you know, I don't expect, you know, a government funded department to open up any time soon, but you know, there are people at higher levels than I think some people would think that seek intercession of magicians and wizards and such and you guys all know this. But you know the amazing thing is, there is some ad that came across my Facebook this morning that's like, this psychic who works for Courtney Cox and this person and that person, and I was kind of like, you know, every person that's even, you know, nowhere near that level of notoriety, but even just like slightly, it's kind of like, keep this under your hat, like this is not something that should or can get out. But like so, it's more acceptable and, but, and everybody does magic, whether they call it that or not.  ANDREW: Mm. AIDAN: Yeah, I totally think it's just kind of a normal human function. That got lost. As far as like it being clear, cause like I think that it's hard for me to imagine that ... In the time of zero distraction, cause if you were distracted you died, which is like most of our history, that people weren't just massively tuned in to all this shit. And from everything that we can know, from what we tend to think of as primitive cultures or aboriginal cultures, that's true. And so yeah, it's a weird thing in the kind of materialist West, but, it's totally normal to me. So I'm not sure that there's any function that's really different than what there always has been, which is yeah, just kind of attempting to make the changes that you need or people need, and kind of keeping spirit channels open so that we can have something that's a little bit more, to me, more real, than the incredibly synthetic world we've generated.  FABEKU: Yeah, I agree, I don't know that the role is any different at all at this point. I think that One of the things that, and I think this might be why, one of the reasons why, there's been kind of an upswing in the interest in magic is, I think magic gives people a sense of hope, you know, and not in some, you know, kind of fake bullshit rah rah kind of sense, but when you understand that magic gives you the ability to kind of interface directly with sort of the wiring under the board, sort of the things behind the curtain, in work with things that are in flux, and work with things that look and are chaotic and difficult, and you know, somehow kind of slide things in the direction that you'd like them to go, I think it gives people a sense of hope. It gives people a sense of, there are other options than what I had considered. And I think that that's important on an individual level, on a communal level, on a global level, you know, and I think that that matters, and I don't think that's anything new, I think magic has always done that, I think that's probably one of the things that has drawn people to magic forever. But I know in my own conversations with people about it, that's one of the things that people are consistently talking about, is I have a renewed sense of hope that I didn't have before because I get that there are things I can do that make things different than they are now.  ANDREW: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I mean I think that, as life continues to become more complicated, you know, more challenging in some ways, right? you know I mean it's been a distressing, you know, year or two for a lot of people. I mean it's been a distressing, like, whole lifetime for other people, for sure too, right? But I think that as we run into more challenge, you know, I think that accessing spiritual tools and magic and divination fill that function really well, right? And it's a thing that some people would have turned to family practice, some people would have turned to somebody in their community, some people would have gone to the church for, you know, to kind of make those sort of different kinds of connections and to help make sense of stuff, and I think that certainly, as a diviner, I often feel that I'm in the role of priest, right? They wouldn't necessarily choose it that way. But, you know, if you think about it, you know people come for divination and they come for hope, they come to confess, they come to make sense of things, they come to reorient themselves once they're you know turned around, and you know magic is just really an extension of that or some of those things directly depending on what we're talking about, so, yeah, I think it's really necessary. And I think that it's really, you know, as Jason says, it's, you know, not like some bs tagline on someone's promo, but like, you know lots of people are doing it, and lots of people that you would never imagine are doing this stuff, and I think that, you know, it being a personal and direct practice, or direct engagement, versus sort of like a public show of things is important, you know, as part of that, because I think that we don't want to be the monk with the baseball mala, you know?  [laughing]  ANDREW: Sitting in our robes going, why aren't you giving me more money? Why aren't more famous people coming to me? you know?  AIDAN: Get off the lawn! [laughing]  ANDREW: Get off the lawn! [laughing] JASON: And you know, there's a certain extent to which I think, the, I don't know, the growing multiculturalism, the awareness of sort of non-Protestant culture in North America is acknowledging aspects of magic that are already present in the living traditions of so many other people, from Catholic countries and folk traditions around it, to magic within Buddhism, which is just right out there for you to see, in Tibet and Thailand and India and everywhere, and you know, Afro-Caribbean traditions and so on, and so as people get, for lack of a better word, less white about it, magic gets to be seen as to how it integrates into people's everyday lives without it having to be this very very special thing that I put the robes on and I'm doing in secret and you know, that may make it less special for some people who kind of live and breathe on that, but I think it's a good thing overall.  ANDREW: Well, I also think that the, I mean, maybe not if you're posting on Instagram ... JASON: No, no.  ANDREW: But, magic will ... keep itself secret if it needs to be, right?  JASON: Oh, absolutely. ANDREW: you know I mean I, as a, you know, as an Olocha I have quite a lot of stuff in my house that is the Orishas, you know, either their consecrated vessels, with the mysteries inside, and all the accoutrements that have come from them and so on ... There's a lot of stuff that's around my house, and you know, I've had people who've come and watched the kids for like years, and then one day, they're just like, "Wha - wait, what is THAT?" you know? "What do you mean, it's been there the whole time, you don't know who Elegua is?" They're like, "I know who he is, I just, why is he in your house?" I'm like, "How have you not seen it for like two years?" Right? You know. I mean these things will conceal themselves if they need to as well, so like, that fine balance, I think.  Yep. ANDREW: So, I've got this question, that I think is a really great question. What do you wish people would stop asking?  [laughter] ANDREW: What's the question that you're just like, aw, really? Come on. Jason -- AIDAN: I don't think I have one. The only thing that I do ... crazy [static 00:55:12] We'll wait till the static ends. I do get crazy talisman requests that are like, I want a talisman to make me bulletproof, and it's shit like that that you're just like, yeah, you know, there's a lot of people who have tried that, but I've never heard of it working! [laughing] But, so, other than outright absurdity, I don't really have any.  JASON: Yeah, I get the absurdity sometimes, and they don't really bother me, because I just open them, and I look at it and I go, okay, close. The regular, you know, even though I don't do this work, I've never done this work, but the sort of regular reconciliation at any price ... [chickens in background] ANDREW: Mm.  JASON: Kind of request. That's something that, you know, I just, I wish that would go away. [laughing]  [chickens in background] ANDREW: Right? I think that's a question where "He's now living with my sister, and has 16 kids with him, and I've been separated from this person for 20 years, but I will give you all this money if you can make this person come back and be with me"? That question?  JASON: Yeah! you know? It's just sort of like, I don't want that! No, absolutely not. you know, in some of my courses, that go on for months, I'd have to say the question, it's not even a question, it's a ... the people that are ... [chickens in the background] JASON: The people that are geared to sort of ... [chickens in the background] JASON: Hypervisualization. They can ... They close their eyes and they can see all kinds of stuff. And I'm like this to an extent myself. But it's a matter of like, let's take that and go deeper. Like, let's put that aside for a little while. So, you know, I'll spend the first couple months kind of telling people, ignore these kinds of visions. Or evaluate them, like is this important? Did it tell you something you didn't already know? Or is it just a thumb's up? If it's a thumb's up, take the thumb's up and keep doing what you're doing. If it's something actionable, evaluate it like you would advice from a person. But in general, don't chase after it, like, use the practice ... [chickens in the background] JASON: To get deeper informa -- and then you can start getting stuff that's like, wow this matters. And, because that also, people that aren't like that, who maybe when they get a vision, a message, it will be like really important because they're not prone to that kind of thing, they sort of feel like, well I must be doing something wrong, because so and so has, you know, phantasmagoric trips every time they utter a prayer and I'm not. Whereas I'm kind of like well actually, no, there's nothing wrong with you. And you know maybe that person who gets phantasmagoric trips when they put something out in terms of spell work are not going to get the results you have, because they're great at receiving and not so great at sending or, or when you really receive something, it's going to be like, huh, yeah, that's got meaning and teeth and is something I can dig into.  ANDREW: Yeah. I hit this point in my own practice, especially like working with clients and doing readings and stuff, where, I realized that I had a choice where I could just know what the answer was, or I could have like a big visual thing about it, and I was like [rooster crowing in background] ANDREW: It's so much easier just to know what it is than to like, proceed down into this like vision of it all and stuff like that, and so I sort of started prioritizing a different way and you know submitting my requests like to the other side like so, if you need to show me, please do, but if you can just tell me, that'd be awesome. And then we can go to the next thing, you know?  JASON: [bursts out laughing] ANDREW: It worked pretty well, you know? So.  JASON: But isn't that ... [static] I'm going to wait till the static clears. I think that's one of the great gifts ... [static] Nope. One of the great gifts of that kind of trance work that you guys were talking about before, it's like, you know, I don't need to break reality every time.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm.  JASON: I don't need to sit there and like, no, get in the crystal. No, not in my head, in the crystal. No, not over there, in the crystal. No ... [laughing] you know I don't want to hear about it in a dream, in the crystal.  ANDREW: Yeah.  JASON: So, it's, it's, if you can build a relationship, if you can, you know, develop the capacity to kind of meet the spirit halfway, rather than, I got made fun of once on social magic reactions for calling it fracking, you're basically spiritually fracking reality, like I'm gonna pull the top off this [laughing] just to get to what I want.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm.  JASON: But you know. I stand by it. [laughing]  AIDAN: Yeah. I think that there's a lot to, as you said, just kind of accepting the easy way in, and realizing that a lot of the flash is not necessarily actually helpful, like it can be cool, but it doesn't necessarily actually do what you want, and so in relationship to the stuff that you, whether it's ... I'm not sick of it, but I never have anything to say, because I've got enough people that are aware of what I do. I get kind of the occasional email that's like, "This happened on Thursday," and you get some incredibly abstract Book of the Law kind of thing. What do you think? It's like, [laughing] I have no idea. I don't think anything! I have no concept of your experience, your context, anything else, and it's not my transmission, they're talking to you for some reason, and perhaps that makes sense to you, but it's ... I can try and explain the shit that happens to me, and it's ... in most cases, I don't think it would make sense to other people, frequently. But again, if you can kind of go, can we be pretty straight about it, I don't need it to be fancy looking, I don't need it to be ... Can you show me, you know, I do a lot of things with some of my main kind of allies, it's like [sigh] kind of the inner dialogue is like, put this in my body, let me feel what you want me to feel, don't tell me about it, cause I'm pretty stupid, but if you can kind of cause me to have that sensation then I can use that, and so that's more what goes on for me now.  FABEKU: I think for me in terms of questions, there's two types really, the first is, you know, do I have to believe in magic for it to work? And I understand why people ask that question, but for me, I'm not an evangelist. I don't really give a fuck WHAT you believe. I don't give a fuck IF you believe, and I'm not, I don't think, my approach to this is, you believe it when you believe it, and the only way you believe it is by doing it, so to me the question is, I think the better question is, how do I get started, how do I do this, and not, does it require belief, because I think you can kind of just fuck yourself in a circle going around with that kind of nonsense. My thing is, I don't know, try it and see. you know? There are a million ways to get started that are not terribly complicated, and see what happens? And, you know, if you believe it as you go, great, and if not, fine, but I think that ... I find the question problematic because I think that it creates, it just creates this weird circular motion for people. you know?  And I think the other problematic questions are any question that gives up someone's own sense of sovereignty, right? Whether it's asking me, should I do this? Or kind of deferring that sovereignty to the spirits or the allies or whatever. Those questions are always problematic to me. It's like, I think the same kind of common sense rules should apply to magic as they apply to, you know, any other facet of life and any other interaction you have, and I don't think that we should somehow give up our sense of sovereignty and our sense of agency, by asking what we should do, I think that, that to me feels like a sideways kind of a thing, so those are always questions that I don't like to answer and I really strongly discourage people from asking, because, I think, again, it's just rooted in a perspective that for me feels really problematic.  ANDREW: Yeah, don't ask the spirits for permission for something you want to do.  FABEKU: yeah.  ANDREW: Right? you know? I mean ask them for advice in general, but like, yeah ... FABEKU: Yeah. And I think even asking, you know, should I do this working, I don't know, I can't answer that, you know, you know what you need, you know what you want, you know what's important for you, you know what you're willing to sacrifice in the process, I have no way of answering that question for you, and I shouldn't be the one answering it in the first place.  ANDREW: Hmm. yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's an interesting question, you know, I think that there are, there are definitely times when I ask spirits, especially the Orishas, should I do this, should I do that, but it's more along the lines of like should I, when I moved from the old shop to the new shop, I'm like, should I sign the lease on this place? Should I do this thing? Like, they're more like, and they're not guarantees, but they're like, is there good possibilities here, or is there like, is there a pitfall, you know, that's really what I mean by these shoulds, right? Is this is a space where something can happen, or is there something that you see that I don't see that's gonna make a big hot mess of it, right? But yeah, I think that that quickly and usually turns into something much more problematic, right?  FABEKU: Yeah.  ANDREW: And I find that I, I definitely, I get my share of the bulletproof questions, or the reconciliation stuff, that I'm like, that I'm often like, I'm not that interested in it, and, you know, it doesn't bother me, per se, I'm just like, no thank you, it's not what I do, I guess that the question that I've been getting lately, and I think that I need to set some time to put something out there to sort of counter this, is, you know, since the announcement of the Orisha tarot has happened, I've been getting more emails from people, basically asking me if I will initiate them and make them a priest, and I'm just like, it doesn't even begin to work that way, and you know there's sort of a presumption of, it depends on where they're coming from, but there's often a sort of presumption of entitlement or desire that they're gonna start a road that will take them there, and I'm like, I don't even know you, like number one, it's a permanent lifelong commitment you're asking of me, and number two, you don't even know if this is your path, you feel drawn to it, but that doesn't mean that that's true or helpful or real or valid at this time or ever, maybe, you know, so I think that I need to ... talking about this conversation tells me that I need to put something together and put it out there so I can just sort of point people to things and say, go read this, this will give you a better idea of how this works.  JASON: But Andrew, I read a book about it last week and I'm really really into it!  ANDREW: Yeah? Only one book, not all the books?  [laughter] ANDREW: I'm so disappointed in you, come on, and all the websites, right?  AIDAN: especially the websites, they're, you know, they're the critical source.  ANDREW: The critical source at every juncture, right?  AIDAN: That's it!  ANDREW: [laughing] All right, well, we have been on this call for a long time. I want to thank you all. you know Let's do a quick round of just sort of say where the best place for people to come and find out about you and what you're up to is, and then we'll wrap it up for the day. Aidan? Where should people come connect with you?  AIDAN: AidanWachter.com, AidanWachter on Instagram, Aidan Wachter on Facebook [laughing] All of that. And then Six Ways currently is available strictly through online bookstores, but pretty much all of the big ones. And as I said earlier, we'll try it. We'll be getting those out to stores that are interested in probably the next five weeks.  ANDREW: Jason?  JASON: StrategicSorcery.net. And from there you can find Facebook and all the other places that I might be hanging out.  ANDREW: Definitely. And if you're looking to learn from a meditation master, you should go check that out, because they do fantastic things; you too could get a fancy robe!  [laughter] FABEKU: If you enroll now, get a free baseball mala included with the price.  JASON: yeah, I don't know who that guy's tailor was, but it was awesome. [laughing]  ANDREW: Very nice. Fabeku?  FABEKU: Fabeku.com. ANDREW: And I am either Andrew MacGregor or the Hermit's Lamp, basically everywhere. So. Thanks, gents! Thanks for jumping in and being our fourth today, Jason. It's been a pleasure. JASON: Thank you for having me.  AIDAN: Yeah, super great to have you here.  JASON: I feel honored to be able to play the imaginary instrument in the imaginary band. [laughter] ANDREW: [laughing] May it always be thus.  JASON: [laughing]      You can book time with Andrew through his site here. 

The Hermit's Lamp Podcast - A place for witches, hermits, mystics, healers, and seekers
EP82 Openness to Spirit and "Six Ways" with Aidan Wachter

The Hermit's Lamp Podcast - A place for witches, hermits, mystics, healers, and seekers

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 8, 2018 52:21


This week Andrew is joined by the one and only Aidan Wachter. We catch up a bit since our last Stacking Skulls Episode and the converstation flows from there. We discuss Aidan's book "Six Ways: Approaches & Entries for Practical Magic" (which has been very popular at the shop" and Aidan's Talisman work. We also dive into what it means to be open to spirit and the connections that can be made from there.  Connect with Aidan on his website, and look for "Aidan Wachter" on the social media outlet of your choosing! Think about how much you've enjoyed the podcast and how many episodes you listened to and think consider if it is time tosupport the  Patreon You can do so here. If you want more of this in your life you can subscribe by RSS , iTunes, Stitcher, or email. Thanks for listening! If you dig this please subscribe and share with those who would like it.   Andrew       ANDREW: Welcome to another instalment of The Hermit's Lamp podcast. I'm here today with Aidan Wachter, and, you know, I feel like Aidan's a person who needs no introduction, but in case this is the first time you've run across him, let me say: Aidan's been on before by himself, Aidan is part of the Stacking Skulls, which is the mythological magical band made up of a few of the people who come on here on the regular, and we get together and talk about magic, and Aidan is a talismanic wizard and genius who produces amazing jewelry, and Aidan just has a new book out, called Six Ways, which is, as I'm sure we'll talk about in the episode, the book that I wish that I had received when I was starting, and the book that I wish I had written if I was going to write a book on magic. So, it's all of those good things. You know, I gave you a bit of an intro, but for folks who don't know you, Aidan, who are you? What are you about?  AIDAN: [laughing] What am I about? I've just been at the magic thing for a long time, and in a kind of weird pattern that I can see from now, I can kind of, and I'd imagine this is true of a lot of people, I can see at this point kind of the whole chain that got me here [laughs], and on top of the jewelry work, the kind of intention that I have is to kind of transmit as much of that as is useful to people.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: Without all the detours that really were just mostly time wasters. And, yeah, I live on a little micro-ranch in the mountains of New Mexico, where most of the time it's really windy, but not today, it actually rained for the first time in, like, months!  ANDREW: Uh huh. AIDAN: With a bunch of chickens and a duck who's about to hatch a pile of ducks if that works out. I think today or tomorrow. And some goats and some dogs and my wife. And I play music, I write some, and I make a lot of silverwork. So.  ANDREW: Nice. So, I mean, somebody was asking, before this episode was recorded, you know, what's the move like? Because, you know, you've been there for a while, but has it been a year yet?  AIDAN: We've been in this house for just a little bit over a year now. About a year and a third. Yeah, the last place was a kind of weird one, cause it was kind of in a high-end homeowner association zone, of kind of Santa Fe suburbs?  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: Which is really not our scene! [laughs] We laughed that that house was the house that all of our parents would have been really proud if we had actually acquired intentionally, cause it was huge, and ... ANDREW: Sure. AIDAN: Fancy. And was totally not us. So, we're in this tiny little 700 square foot casita here. I was thinking about that question, and it's a little strange because, due to just setting up the ranchita here, and getting everything set up, and then my surgery and all that, we haven't really been out a lot in this area. So, to answer kind of what New Mexico has done, is really, like, what has this two and a half acres done? And so, it's not super New Mexico-like ... ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: Perhaps in a general thing. But it's been really good. It's really quiet and it's really full of animals, in a way that we didn't expect. There is more kind of songbird activity than I've ever seen anywhere that I've lived. We've got a huge raptor population, we're in like the essentially what is like ... appears to be the raven preserve part of New Mexico. There is probably 150 ravens that clearly live within, you know, 1/4 mile of us, so there's always ravens in the yard and they come and mess with our dogs. Yeah.  ANDREW: How did you find ... So, like, I think about where I live. Right? You know? I mean, where I live and where the shop is, you know? And the shop's been where it is ... I mean, I was across the street before this, so if we include that, I've been in the same ... in both places, about six or seven years, right? And, you know, for me, so many of my spiritual practices kind of end up being kind of connected to spirits of place and in places where the spirits that I work with like to show up. You know, so has there been a change in your spiritual practice with this move? You know, before you moved this way?  AIDAN: You know, that's a somewhat strange question. I was thinking about this a lot in relationship to the book, cause there's kind of a really big move toward kind of spirits of place and kind of the bioregional animism that Marcus McCoy's coined that term and brought up. And I have some sense of that. But having moved as much as I have, which I figured out a couple months ago, I've moved 37 times, and I'm 51, so [laughs]. And so, a lot of those I was all in the same place, so. It definitely changes my sense of things, like my overall perceptions change a lot when I move, but the spirits I work with are pretty consistent. And that's mainly, I think, because I do most of my work in trance.  ANDREW: Hmm. AIDAN: And so, things change over there, but that's not really related to place. The places that I go are fairly consistent, and the shifts that happen there, happen over really long periods of time.  ANDREW: Right.  AIDAN: And those things come with me, and that stuff doesn't change based on where I live so far that I've seen.  ANDREW: I can see that. I mean, for me, so much of my work, my work sort of out in the woods and whatever, is connected to the spirits of those places, for sure, but it's also as often as not connected to like, you know, I can go find a willow tree anywhere, I mean, you know, in the greater sense of Toronto and the surrounding areas and many other places, and once I'm hanging out with the willow tree I can do willow tree stuff, you know?  AIDAN: Right.  ANDREW: So, like it tends to be more tied to feature, and tied to species of plants or things like that than it tends to be, you know, like I want to go find somewhere really swampy, I want to go, you know like I really love the ... me and the redwing blackbirds have a thing, you know, so I need somewhere that's marshy and they're gonna be there then. But you know, the places that I tend to go tend to be predominantly because they are the most convenient to where I'm living or working ... AIDAN: Right. ANDREW: Versus explicitly tied to the land. AIDAN: Right.  ANDREW: So.  AIDAN: And then the ... yeah, and I kind of get that with the animals. So, for me, like, the ravens have always been a big deal for me anyway ...  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: And so that's a presence here. And we are ... we have lured in an insane rabbit population that is basically merging with our chicken flock now. And you'll look out and they're all hanging out at the feeders, or they'll be sharing the waters, and ... I have a thing with the rabbits too, so ... they're kind of my underworld creature. ANDREW: Nice. AIDAN: And then the other thing that did happen here, is, and I have to go back, I haven't spent enough time there, you know is there's this really ancient Guadalupe shrine here.  ANDREW: Mmm. AIDAN: That's, I don't know when that ... I mean, it's old. I want to say it's more than 300 years old, I think. And like that place is one of the most intense power spots I've ever been in. Like that's been continuous use for hundreds of years. And that's ... Yeah, that's an amazing place. That was ... I mean I know that that changed some of ... That certainly affected me, was spending a few hours in there. There's another church that's dedicated to St. Michael, but I haven't been up there yet, those are both in Santa Fe. And, yeah, I mean, New Mexico is really interesting cause it's such a different place than anywhere I've ever lived. And especially kind of down where we are, which is really rural. We're not in ...  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: You know, we're not in anything like hoity toity ... We have a Walmart, a gas station, and three or four feed stores. [laughs] ANDREW: Right.  AIDAN: You know, we live in the neighbourhood where you see, you know, somebody's escaped horse running down the road.  ANDREW: Right.  AIDAN: With people chasing it. [laughs] So it's ... I love the spaciousness and the open ... It does remind me a lot of trying to see where we were except that I'm not as wrecked by allergies as I was in Tennessee.  ANDREW: [10:04 crosstalk]  AIDAN: That openness definitely is really helpful. The clear skies, basically all the time, is really helpful for me.  ANDREW: Hmm. So, since you were last on the podcast ... AIDAN: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: So, you know, the Stacking Skulls crew was on, end of January, early February, you have this book that came out, and I don't usually do book episodes cause I think that they're not that exciting. AIDAN: Totally. ANDREW: But your book has been super fascinating to me. Because I think that it represents such a grounded introduction ... AIDAN: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: To magic, and such a grounded introduction that is not ... Not invested in making you believe something.  AIDAN: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: So many books are ... you know, they're like, "Sign up for the Golden Dawn, we'll give you the special apron, and you'll be a believer. Sign up for this, or sign up for that," you know, like, and not that there's anything wrong with having a belief system or expressing that belief system, but, I feel like your work is sort of devoid of that in an overt way that I think is very fascinating.  AIDAN: Yeah. I think that ... It was really interesting to me, and I'm glad that that comes through, cause that was certainly the intent, that when the book started, when the book kicked up, and it kicked up really fast -- the framework took about two weeks to write, and then it just took me another two years to finish, basically. Any time I would try and go even vaguely into "let's talk about how you should do something," [laughs] like I would just get kicked by the allies, like, "that is not why we want you to do this," like, "do what you would do."  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: And there wasn't a lot of that to begin with, but it really did get weeded out pretty aggressively, cause I don't think it's generally relevant to the practice of magic. I talk about the general and the specific in the book, in a few places, and I don't go incredibly deep into it, but that's kind of my take, is we tend to get lost in the specific in a lot of our conversations or books or whatever about magic. Which is great for the people that are doing the exact same kind of work. But it makes it kind of difficult for somebody that's not, that they don't really fit that mold, to figure out what parts you can use and what parts are really important. If it's really important that I know all these names or all these correspondences or all of these ... or that I work with these specific gods, does that mean that I can't do this work?  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: And I was definitely looking to counter that.  ANDREW: Yeah, I think it's great because ... You know, we have a lot of conversations going on around sort of appropriation, and, you know, what do we do with, you know, other people's histories, and other people's spirits, and other traditions, and stuff like that. And I think that it's really sticky to sort of go through and read a bunch of books and cherry pick all the pieces that you want, you know?  AIDAN: Yeah. ANDREW: And kind of put them together. Cause it might work, and you might unlock something, or you might end up with a lot of trouble, or you might be fooling yourself, or you might just rub all those spirits the wrong way, and it's really kind of arrogant of us as humans to sort of think that we can understand all of that in a way that kind of goes beyond that, you know?  AIDAN: Totally. ANDREW: And I say that as a person who at points in my past has been arrogant in those ways, you know?  AIDAN: Mmmhmm. Me too!  ANDREW: And I've discovered things and been like, "Huh. That would have been way better had I not done that thing..."  AIDAN: [laughs] ANDREW: Or whatever, right, you know?  AIDAN: Right.  ANDREW: Yeah.  AIDAN: Well and I think too, I think that there's a big part in there which is, you know, kind of, I keep blasting out this thing from Ido Portal, who's kind of a crazy movement guy with a capoeira background, but he's gone all over the place. Where he talks about that there's a point where information becomes too much, and it's no longer helpful. And he means that in a developmental sense, like learning more data, more or less, more systems, more theories, at some point actually stops helping you, and it kind of turns on you, and so, I think that that was a present thought in the book too, was like, what's ... how much can I give you, it's kind of why the title of approaches and entries is, how many different doors to interesting spaces that are helpful in my experience can I get you through?  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: And then, I don't want to give you much more information than that ... ANDREW: Right. AIDAN: Because if I do, that's going to color what happens when you walk through them.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: And so, instead, I'd rather have you walk into that space, and go "Okay, what goes on in here?" And see. Cause what goes on in there for you is likely to be really different than what goes on in there for me or for Andrew or anybody else.  ANDREW: Sure. AIDAN: Unless we come in with such a clear picture of what is supposed to happen in there that that just shades everything. And we kind of get what we expect. Versus what might be way better for us to get in there.  ANDREW: Yeah. Yeah, it's amazing the shaping influence that our consciousness plays on things, right? and our preconceptions and so on, you know?  AIDAN: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: And I think that this sort of notion, you know, I shared a video the other day, I'm working on a new tarot deck, and it doesn't have a title, but, like, so I finished my Orisha tarot deck and handed it in to Llewellyn in April, and as I was doing the final steps of that, I created a ... and that, the Orisha deck was very very structured and very very thought out, you know, and inspired when I was actually doing the art, but like the, but so much of it ... Sorry for that brief interruption! And then I created this sort of surrealist, very dream-inspired black and white deck, and then I realized what I wanted to do was just like basically slop paint around and make something really bright and colorful, so I've been making this deck and I was working on the Judgement card, which is what I shared recently ... AIDAN: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: And, as I was sort of like working on it, and sort of allowing something to emerge, I was like, "Why do we have to see the angel? Why do we even think the angel looks like us?" AIDAN: [laughs] ANDREW: "Why is the angel anything other than, like, light and motion?" You know?  AIDAN: Right. ANDREW: It's sound, right? You know, and I think we have so many notions about, they look this way, they look that way, they, you know, have this shape or that shape, yet, in my experience it's not true. My experience is that they are so utterly other that we create that layer on top of them so that we can interface with it, but even that's not required. You know?  AIDAN: Right. Well, it's funny, I have this very, if we were to talk image, there's an entity that I visit in a southern place that's this fire spirit, and it's kind of like a traditional, I would think, positive view of Lucifer, as like look, this very fiery ...  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: Bright, intense being. Very masculine. And for the last, I don't know, five months, half the time if I go into that space, he looks like that, and half the time he looks like Gary Numan's daughter, Persia. There's like this 12-year-old blonde girl, that's in his, if you go and watch the "My Name is Ruin" video by Gary Numan, she's the girl in there. So obviously this came from me. There's no reason that this thing has watched this video. [laughs] And it clearly just kind of grabbed that image as something that it liked, to present as. Or, I just overlaid that image, that somehow there's energy there. It doesn't really matter ... ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: But it was really helpful in some ways, I think, to just realize, yeah, this is my avatar, in the old RPGs or whatever ... ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: Right, I've got like my little image, and that's what we're generally interacting with. I deal with a number of spirits that change all the time, and like, there's just, it's either like, there's something in the eyes, or if they speak I know, or sometimes there's just a vibe that they give off, but that they've never been the same thing twice. And if I come in thinking "oh, this is an angel that has wings" or whatever, I may not have been able to see all of these different aspects.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: And I'm not sure whether those aspects are more important just as to my own self or to them or whatever, but it does leave it really ... It leaves it ... It kind of keeps you from instilling ... At least it keeps me from instilling dogma about it.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: Whereas if I said you're going to walk into this space, and you're going to meet this, you know, fiery being, who's a slender man, six feet tall, well-muscled, right? the kind of standard shit you see in the old stuff ...  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: And you walk in and like, no, you see this 12-year-old girl in a kind of ratty shift, with, you know, white painted cross on her forehead, do you not realize that that's the thing that you're supposed to be? Probably, right? Cause that's not what it looks like.  ANDREW: So, how do you ... How do you verify, or do you verify, who you're talking to, then?  AIDAN: [laughs] Well, I'm a little weird on that sense from what I understand, talking to people. Almost nothing that I work with has a name.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: And the few times that I've tried to get names out of most of them, they don't give them to me. They'll either give me a title ... ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: Which they're really clear is a title. Or they'll just like make something up. [laughs] ANDREW: Call me Steve! AIDAN: Yeah, call me Steve! [laughs] Totally. I just look for how useful what I'm getting from them is, and then over time is it consistent with them? ANDREW: Right.  AIDAN: So, there's a being that I think I've mentioned before when we were talking that I work with called, that I call the Night Mother. And she's always functioning the same with me.  ANDREW: Hmm. AIDAN: But again, some of the kind of allies that I've met through her are also what I kind of refer to as collective or hive beings, we've talked about that before. So, I'm not certain that she's not, you know, kind of again an avatar to a collective. ANDREW: Right.  AIDAN: She doesn't feel that way. She feels very solid and there's links to a lot of different deities that I could say ... ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: This is on the continuum with these other kind of particular goddess figures.  ANDREW: I think that's actually a really interesting point if you don't mind me segueing here for a second.  AIDAN: Yeah, go ahead.  ANDREW: You know, there's always this question that I run into, right? Because ... and let me start by saying, hey, whatever people do is whatever people do. Like, you know. Neither -- I don't think either of us are here to neither judge nor claim to know the ultimate truth, right?  AIDAN: Oh, hell no! [laughs] ANDREW: But like there's this ... But there's this sort of point of tension that happens, because I practice a traditional religious practice, and because I have such a background in magic and chaos magic and other traditions like that, and because I still practice spirit-based magic and stuff, mostly around my business and my clients, for my clients. But, you know, like, people have these experiences where they say, "this Orisha spoke to me," or "I saw this spirit," or whatever, right? And I think that there's this openness in your approach, which I really think is super smart, which is to sort of say, "Yeah, it's a spirit from like, that collection, or from that like, direction, or from those kinds of things," right?  AIDAN: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: As opposed to sort of leaping to this sort of assumption that, you know, Zeus himself strode out from Olympus, wherever that might be, and came to see you. Yeah, maybe it was Zeus. Maybe it was a Zeus-like thing. Maybe it was a spirit related energetically to that, you know? You know and because, so many people have interactions with these different spirits, and yet, and yet, you know, certainly from a traditional point of view, the belief is that they are not those spirits themselves. That the Orishas themselves only generally speak through their priest craft.  AIDAN: Right.  ANDREW: So, then what's going on with all these other people who are having some kinds of experiences? Especially where those experiences carry truth or carry through in some way, right?  AIDAN: Right.  ANDREW: And I think that this idea that there are, you know, there are certain spirits or deities or whatever you want to call them, and then there are, kind of like when we go read the Goetia and stuff, you know?  AIDAN: [laughs] ANDREW: There's this person, and then they've got 300 governors, and they've got 26 servants, and they've got, you know, this, that, and whatever, right?  AIDAN: Right.  ANDREW: And to think that we've gotten so cleanly and clearly to the top of that order, you know, is somewhat presumptuous, especially in the absence of clearly definable magical process to get there. You know?  AIDAN: Right.  ANDREW: Like, if you're going to call Balail, well, there are documents and there are ways to go about it, and there, you know, and then that seems way more likely. But to think that Balail's out just strolling around, and bumps into you on the street and wants to have a conversation with you, maybe not so much, but maybe a spirit from that crew, you know? Or do you disagree with me? What do you think?  AIDAN: No, I actually do, and I mean, that's where I kind of, that whole think is what led me into kind of what I refer to in the book as biological animism at one point ... ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: And so, I go, "No!" Like, I've got, you know I'm made of these ungodly number of different types of cells and different structures ... ANDREW: Yeah. AIDAN: And a lot of them do basically the same thing, right? So, all my motor neurons are doing the same thing. They're doing it in different parts of my body and they're connected to different structures, so when they do that same thing, different things happen, right? But so, I began thinking about the entities that I was kind of interacting with in that sense, you know, again, this will probably not be comfortable for some folks, but, if we kind of view that the crossroads is this, extensively spread thing, whether we ... especially if we add in all the structures that are like it, so if we look at the tree, if we look at the center posts in some religions, and some forms of shamanism, and if we say, all these things are crossroads-like, they're kind of cognates of that ... ANDREW: Yeah.  AIDAN: They serve a similar function, right? And so, it makes sense to me that all of those beings that we find wed to that idea in all of these different cultures are probably of a type, to some degree.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: And this isn't to say that you don't find individual things, I don't know enough to say that that's not the case, and I think it probably is. I'm not saying they're all the same, which is one of the things that you get in some arguments, which is not the one that I make at all. But ... Like, I know that my work is highly connected to that space.  ANDREW: Mmm. AIDAN: And, if I look at the kind of spirits that I operate with, a lot of them operate within that function. And they do show as very different, but yeah, it's like, there's a thing that I interact with that is very Woden-like, but I don't know that that's Woden. And you know, I had a really interesting experience in trance a couple years ago, in relationship to that specific thing, and the ... Another being that I dealt with told me to go find a Woden and ask my question to the Woden that I found. [laughs] And I kind of asked for clarity on that, and they were just like, really clear about it, like ... ANDREW: Yeah.  AIDAN: You just, you don't worry about it ...  ANDREW: You just, you go find one!  AIDAN: If you go find one, they all do the same thing, more or less, was the idea. Any of them will be able to help you out.  ANDREW: Yeah. AIDAN: And again, it depends on what you come with. I didn't come with something that said this is one deity is ... ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: 100 percent discrete from all other beings. And therefore, you know, there is a lot of silversmiths. There is a lot of magicians. ANDREW: Sure. AIDAN: There is a lot of ... And it's not necessarily that you're always going to need that one in specific to help you.  ANDREW: And it's not like all magicians are of the same category either, right?  AIDAN: Right. ANDREW: You know? Yeah. AIDAN: Yeah. You know. But yeah, there's a certain point where someone's going to say "yeah, you should go talk to a goetic magician," or "you should go talk to someone that works with the Orishas." Cause they'll be able to help you the best in this particular situation ... ANDREW: Yeah. AIDAN: You know. To me that just seems pragmatic and in my experience, it's been consistent. I don't know that it's the truth or anything like that, but it's been consistent.  ANDREW: Who knows what that is, right? [laughs] I'm gonna leave that for another time! AIDAN: Yep, absolutely.  ANDREW: So, one of the questions though, since we're talking about going and visiting the spirits, right? Someone commented on one of the Facebook posts about this podcast that they were curious about how they could deepen their trance. You know?  AIDAN: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: How do you get deeper, you know, and I think that really, that's part of the whole spectrum of how do you get there faster, how do you get there easier, how do you go further, how do you stay there longer ... AIDAN: [laughs] Right.  ANDREW: What kind of advice do you have for people trying this out?  AIDAN: So, I only really can speak to my own experience and that I've helped a few people with this thing, I'm not ... ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: I've done a little bit of teaching but not a lot. So I don't have a vast body of students where I could say, "This always works!" So, I have no idea if this always works. It might! The two things that ... The first thing I would say has to do with the speed issue, and that is to slow down. And that doesn't mean not to try and get deeper now, but as you go in, slow the whole process down, so like at the point that you get relaxed enough to go in, through whatever kind of induction you use, do that for a longer period of time and see if that will settle you further out.  So, for me I do almost all of my trance work flat on my back, and I mention it in the book, but one of the things that I find really helps is I lay pillows over my body, and that that weight kind of holding me down seems to do something to help me separate more from my body sensations. I don't have, it keeps me from wanting to kind of wiggle my toes and do stuff like that. It's not like I'm always buried or anything, but that definitely has helped. And so slowing that process of getting in, to me is always a good thing, and then once you get in, to really do what you can to kind of intensify the sensoria of whatever it is you're getting. And this may be visual, it may not be visual. I have both visual and nonvisual stuff that goes on this way.  And so, we'll just assume that this is a visual thing, that you've got it to the place where you actually can get a sense of things. And for me, this is not ... I always, I never know how to describe it, but it's "like" vision. I don't have the internal space that I'm always seeing everything, like I'm seeing you on the screen ... ANDREW: Sure. AIDAN: But, I have a clear sense of what things look like, and I don't know if that makes sense to anybody that's not been there, but ... ANDREW: Well, I find for me personally, I find that I was pursuing that sight piece a lot ... AIDAN: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: A long time ago, and got quite far with it, and to be honest now I've largely abandoned it.  AIDAN: Right.  ANDREW: I'm like, man, it's so much work to get to that place. I could actually ... I realized at some point that I could just kind of know, instead ... AIDAN: Yeah!  ANDREW: And I like that a lot better, because I'm like, I just kind of know, and if I need visual information, I can receive it as sort of a blending of sight and knowing, but it means, especially because I can do a lot of this work sort of sitting with clients and doing readings, and sliding in and out of these spaces, it's so much more convenient to just like know things and just be able to articulate them ... AIDAN: Right.  ANDREW: And I don't have to get to that place where I'm sitting looking at the thing and so on. And not that that's not interesting, but ... Yeah, it just seems less helpful to me over time.  AIDAN: It's ... The thing that I've found, which is, and I totally agree with that, and the thing that I've found that is helpful, and it's totally okay, this is one of the places where the kind of "fake it till you make it" actually works in magic ... ANDREW: Yeah.  AIDAN: Which is, what I talk about in the book, is kind of talk to yourself about what you would see. ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: And part of what happens, I think, when we do this for people that aren't kind of super visual in that space, and I am not super visual in that space, and what it did for me was it began to kind of break that need to see everything.  ANDREW: Right. AIDAN: In technicolor. ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: Cause it's like, I was proceeding anyway, so whatever part of me was resisting getting what visual information I do get kind of gave up. And so, to me once I get, if you get into a space, play with what's in that space rather than necessarily going "I want contact."  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: So for me, the majority of my work I do in the West, in the West where I go is very moist. ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: A little bit of fog, but it's not foggy, but it's more like you see the wisps of fog through the trees and the forest sometimes kind of thing, and I try to, if I'm not kind of getting the feeling that I'm in super well, I'll start trying to get a little more about whatever, so if I notice that there's water running, what does that feel like? What does that ... What is my sensation on my skin feel like?  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: Do I want, am I cold? Am I ...? ANDREW: Yeah. AIDAN: Am I warm? Can I hear the water? Is the water like, drippy?  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: Can I find water that I could drink?  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: Which is, you know, if you're talking to the fairies, this is not recommended, but I'm always all for drinking the water when I can in the other world. But, and that type of process is the thing that's really worked well for me. And it kind of syncs up to kind of the main theme in the book I think which is kind of go as deep as you can with wherever you are ... ANDREW: Yeah. AIDAN: Rather than trying to add more to it.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: And see what happens.  ANDREW: Yeah. For me I did ... I used to do this process a lot, which I still sometimes do. Which is, I would sort of as I start sliding into trance I would start picturing myself on this path into the woods, right?  AIDAN: Right.  ANDREW: And, as I was walking, I would sort of focus on the idea of walking the path in the woods until I could hear crunching of the gravel on the path under my feet. AIDAN: Right. ANDREW: And then I would pick up a set number of stones and drop them back and hear them dropping back. And then after I'd accomplished that, then I would put my hand on the tree and feel the bark and what that felt like. And then, at that point, I would turn and see that I was at the end of the path, and it was opening up to wherever I was going, which was usually the same place. AIDAN: Right. ANDREW: Like very structured pieces. It sort of emerged though, not from the notion that like, you know, I'm going to go, like, if you're going to visit somewhere very structured, there are structured ways to get there, right? Like ... AIDAN: Right. ANDREW: Like maybe path workings on the tree of life, like there's tons of great stuff on that, you can take a look at that, but for me it was like, there's this thing where I started to notice this stuff, and there was this dance back and forth between noticing what I was experiencing and then engaging back with it, back and forth ... AIDAN: Right.  ANDREW: And then that kind of solidified over a few months into that process. AIDAN: Right. And that's ... I would say that, yeah, very similar things, again like, if I go to the West and I'm not feeling like I'm at a place where I can connect with the things that I deal with yet, then I'll find a spring, that's kind of one of my things, it's like I want water running off of a rock.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: And then that's a place where I can kind of wash my hands and bless myself with that water or drink some of that water, and then continue from there. And it kind of is this process of deepening that. You know, when the allies show up, not necessarily, I don't tend to go very hard with them if they do show up, it's just kind of like, what goes on here? [laughs] ANDREW: Yeah. AIDAN: You know, what ... is there anything you want to show me?  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: Is there ... cause usually I find that trance is not the place that I initially go for answers to questions unless I already have somebody that I know I can go visit to do that with, so it's really just about making those connections and like, what shows up for me in here?  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: Is there something going on for me in this space? And a lot of times it takes a long time. There's places that I go back to repeatedly, dozens of times, before anything really happens, that's of any, yeah, describable import. ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: And so I think it's just time and yeah, seeing what happens, like it was really interesting, like, when I started traveling to the West, I would go to the ocean a lot. ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: And for the last five years, there has been nothing for me to do at the ocean. [laughs] So I kind of don't go there! If I get called there, which happens, that's happened a couple times, but in general, like, this is kind of boring ... ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: This is not my place, where there's other spaces that are far more interesting and where I actually have work to do and that's where the allies are generally waiting for me. ANDREW: Hmm. AIDAN: And again, I think it's probably different for everybody. I go to very few places. But I go to those places very frequently. And kind of the same thing on the entity front or deity front, I work with very few, but I tend to work with them as much as I can, to do the work that I want, like the idea of having 72 spirits or something to work with is like, WHY?  ANDREW: Yeah. AIDAN: What's the ... [laughs] what would I do with that? That's more friends than I have. [laughing] By a long shot! I don't know what to do with all of them! [laughing] ANDREW: Yeah. I think that's, I think that ... You know, people ask me, like, you know, what deck is the best, or whatever, like, and, I mean, I have one deck. I read with it. I have three unopened copies in a drawer because it's out of print, and if it doesn't come back in print I don't want to be sad down the road that I can't replace it. You know?  AIDAN: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: And like -- and before I worked with this deck, which has been the last number of years. You know, at some point I worked with another deck for like the better part of ... I don't know, somewhere between 15 and 20 years exclusively, and I think that there's something that ... there are different things that come, right? There's something that comes out of ... we talk about devotion, right? You know and sort of being devoted to a deck or to something particular, I think it brings about a different quality of change, than, you know, than having 72 friends or 72 decks or whatever, and I don't know that either is bad, but sometimes I don't understand what's on the other side of that equation, because it's so far from my journey with things ... AIDAN: Right.  ANDREW: That I don't know what to do with it. You know?  AIDAN: No, and I totally think that there is ... I don't ... I know folks that work extensively with, you know, whether it's Goetia or Enochian or all sorts of different systems that are incredibly involved, and it appears to work well for them, so it's not, I have no issue with it, but for me, that's definitely not my approach. You know. It's like I kind of covet another guitar, but I've got two acoustics and one electric, and I don't really need one to do what I do and so it's kind of like that just hangs out on the back burner, and I like to shop for them, but I don't like actually to pull the trigger for them. ANDREW: Right. AIDAN: And the same as you, even though I read with cards, very limited, you know, I recently found one deck that reads really beautifully for me and I have four copies of it, because it was going out of print.  ANDREW: Which one?  AIDAN: I use the, what is this guy? It's this guy, it's the Arcana deck from Dead on Paper. ANDREW: Okay. AIDAN: It's a playing card tarot deck.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: So it's, you know, it's poker sized, but it has the full trumps. And court cards are all fully arted up, but all of the suit cards are playing cards.  ANDREW: Nice. AIDAN: And it reads really well for me. Yeah. I bought it, I got two of them and started reading with it, and was like "oh, hell, these are about to go out of print," and had to track down two more just in case.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: So.  ANDREW: That's awesome. So, when you ... one of the other things we were talking about, we've been talking a lot about trance stuff, right? But I mean, one of the other things that we ... certainly is in your book, right? and I know is part of your practice, is also this process of like, doing work, right?  AIDAN: Right.  ANDREW: Do you do your work when you're in trance? Do you do your work elsewhere? AIDAN: [laughs] The answer is yes to all of those.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: And this is the other thing I was thinking about this in response to the deepening trance work and so this is one of the methods that I do really like for that, and I forgot about it earlier, so thank you for the question, too. Most of what I do on the surface is offerings ... ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: And then asking the people that I have a regular offering practice with for help. Which is just talking. And then I do a lot of kind of simple candle magic as I talk about in the book. And I do a lot of sigil magic.  I also do, that's almost the wrong approach, related to that, is that there's an aspect of all that work that I do in trance. There's very little that I do that I could define as being discrete work. Some of the sigils are, and some of the candle magic is, where this is the only thing I'm doing, is I'm going to ask this once for this one thing. Almost everything is done as an overview.  ANDREW: Hmmm. AIDAN: Or as a piece of a bigger whole. ANDREW: Yeah. AIDAN: Which is kind of the ship that I talk about in the book, is this whole magic thing in my life and all of its aspects are in general focused in one kind of coherent direction. ANDREW: Mmm. AIDAN: And I'll use different tools to sort out pieces that need to change, or to steer that, kind of the whole thing, but I'm rarely doing anything super specific that is separate from that. If we were just looking at kind of percentage wise, you know, maybe five percent of stuff is going, "hey, I want this," or "I need a little more oomph over here" or "can we make this stop?" ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: And so, that tends to be that I'm getting information on the trance side, I'm getting what I kind of, what I refer to as body work over there, I get a lot of experiences with the things that I deal with in trance kind of putting themselves into my body and it's ... it feels kind of like physical body work. ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: Too, and my experience of it is, is that they're kind of adjusting psychic structures, or clearing blocks, or removing kind of bad attachments. And so that's often one of the places where if I'm doing a lot of work for something, one of the allies will offer some assistance. Either in thinking about it or in this kind of body work approach. And that totally, so they're all, they're all very integrated.  And then the other piece, which is the one that I mentioned, is helpful for getting into trance that I do, is ... And I don't do this all the time, but it's a really useful technique that can be worked with if you've got a pretty solid trance space and ... If you're using the book, I would do this in the upper work space in the tower that I talk about, which is kind of just a mostly empty working room that has a table in it, and so that's the first place I would try this. And what you do is, in the waking world, get a box, get a wooden box, and clean it up, and then paint it in some way that's really clear, so, you know, mine is like blue or black and has big dark blue circles on all the sides and on the top, so it's really clearly this box. And I think it's important to make it -- there'll be no questions there. And it's really ... Mine is really simple cause again my visualization skills aren't that great. [laughs] And what I will do sometimes is if I know I need a little different angle of work, is I'll put the components for that work, I'll do whatever kind of ritual or spell work I'm going to do, and then all those pieces go into the box. So, if I'm going to do candle magic, I might, you know, inscribe two candles and prep one of them and burn one of them and the other goes into the box. And if there's a sigil that goes with it, that goes into the box. Or if there's a talisman that goes with it, that goes into the box. Or a crystal or something like that. And then put that box together, in whatever your working space is, closed up, and go on about your day or whatever, and then when you go into trance, go into, in this case, that tower space, and go in knowing that that box is going to be available to you. ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: And so I'll walk into that space, if it's not already on the table, I kind of imagine that I'm going to reach into the box is usually in the shop here, into the shop from the tower, and bring that box in with me. And then I'll do that spell work from that space in trance. And that's one of the most useful things that I have found for really -- it doesn't necessarily improve your visualization or anything in trance, but as far as, it concretizes what's going on. ANDREW: Yeah. AIDAN: It builds a really solid link between your kind of more normal consciousness and that space that you get into in trance work.  ANDREW: That's awesome. Yeah, I think figuring out how to like, connect here to there in as many ways as possible is definitely the way to go. AIDAN: Yeah. [laughs] Definitely makes everything work better ... ANDREW: Yeah. AIDAN: In my experience, for sure.  ANDREW: Cool. So, we've been talking for a while here, so maybe we're at that point where we should say "Hey, go buy Aidan's book, it's fantastic. If you're not already following Aidan, go follow Aidan." You know? AIDAN: [laughing] ANDREW: Yeah. Where should people come find you?  AIDAN: I'm at aidanwachter.com. I'm Aidan Wachter on everything. Except you can probably find me as Aidan Wachter on Twitter too, but it's silfrsmith [rooster crowing in background] in the old Norse spelling on Twitter, but Aidan Wachter on Facebook, I've got a page, Aidan Wachter Talismanic Jewelry. The book is available generally all the online sources. I'm too busy with jewelry to try and deal with distribution, so, there's really no ... no stores have it as far as I know. And yeah, I'm just generally around, if you do a search for Aidan Wachter Talismanic Jewelry you will find something that will lead you to all the rest of it. [rooster crowing in background] ANDREW: That's awesome. Well, thank you for making the time to chat today. AIDAN: Absolutely.

Weird Web Radio
Episode 18 - Aidan Wachter Talking Magic, Spirits, Gods, and Hauntings

Weird Web Radio

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 27, 2018 98:47


Welcome to Weird Web Radio! I'm your host, Lonnie Scott! This episode features Aidan Wachter. First, Ii again apologize to Aidan for saying his name wrong as "Watcher". He says it happen a lot. Still doesn't make it right on my part. I say this again to point out how easy it is for your brain to see it wrong too. Aidan Wachter is well known in magical, pagan and occult circles as a highly respected talismanic jeweler. He first encountered the magical arts in 1982, and began serious study in 1987, largely as a method of gaining control over unwanted possession experiences. He is an eclectic practitioner, having worked with various streams of witchcraft, chaos magic, ceremonial magic, folk magic, and freestyle sorcery. He is an animist, and his work is spirit-driven and results oriented. He counts among his spiritual forebears Austin Osman Spare, Rosaleen Norton, Dorji Banzarov, and Jan Fries. He lives in the mountains of New Mexico with his wife, cat, several dogs, goats, and a mixed flock of chickens and Muscovy ducks. Aidan just released his book Six Ways: Approaches & Entries For Practical Magic. I can't say enough about the usefulness of this book. Starting or experienced. This book is the one on magic and sorcery I wished for so badly when I started over 20 years ago. I hope you all check out his book, his jewelry, and enjoy the show! Aidan's Talismanic Jewelry and writings can be found at http://www.aidanwachter.com Get Aidan's Incredible Book at Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Six-Ways-Approaches-Entries-Practical/dp/0999356607   SHOW NOTES:   Intro voice over by Lothar Tuppan. Outro voice over by Lonnie Scott Intro & Outro Music by Nine Inch Nails on the album ‘7’, song title ‘Ghost’, under Creative Commons License. 

The Hermit's Lamp Podcast - A place for witches, hermits, mystics, healers, and seekers
EP77 Pop Culture with Melissa Cynova and Rosered Robinson

The Hermit's Lamp Podcast - A place for witches, hermits, mystics, healers, and seekers

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 30, 2018 67:07


In this episode Rosered and Melissa join Andrew to talk about the roel pop culture has played in shaping and nurturing their spritual practices. They talk about Pop figures as altar items, movies and characters that shaped them, and explore what something being sacred to them might mean.  If you are interested in supporting this podcast though our Patreon you can do so here. If you want more of this in your life you can subscribe by RSS , iTunes, Stitcher, or email. You can find Rosered on Twitter here and Instagram here. Tarot Visions Podcast is everywhere but you can start here.  You can find Melissa on her website here.  Planet of the Ape and other cool buddha hybrids are here.   Thanks for listening! If you dig this please subscribe and share with those who would like it. Andrew   If you are interested in booking time with Andrew either in Toronto or by phone or Skype from anywhere click here.     ANDREW: Welcome to another instalment of The Hermit's Lamp podcast. Today, I have got on the line with me, Rose Red Robinson and Melissa Ceynowa, and we're here to talk about pop culture, and the ways in which pop culture and movies and stories and all these wonderful things can influence us and be a part of our understanding of who we are and our journey. That's the official reason.  The unofficial reason is, I really wanted to hang out and talk about Big Trouble in Little China a lot … [laughter] ANDREW: And I'm not saying if you haven't seen that movie yet, that you should stop listening right now and go and do so, but I'm not saying you shouldn't, you know, cause really, if you haven't seen it yet, I don't understand. You should go see it. You should go check it out. It's on Netflix.  So, but, for, you know, people who don't know who you are—let's start with you, Rose. Give us a quick introduction.  ROSE: Okay, I've been doing tarot off and on for 20 plus years. I am fortunate enough to have a wonderful podcast of my own that I do with Jaymi Elford, called Tarot Visions, that was started back in 2013, with the lovely Charlie Harrington, and he decided to pass me off to Jaymi. I've worked in … with Tarot Media Company for many years, back in the day, studied tarot for off and on forever, and am now kind of exploring Celtic Hanlon at the moment, and, am just a general happy reader.  And I've been lucky enough to present at various conventions on the west coast, PantheaCon and Northwest Tarot Symposium, being the two, as well as running some successful meet-ups in my local area that I have also passed on to other people, because I'm not the only one who knows everything. So, it's awesome to be able to share, and engage other people to be teachers as well, cause then I can be a student, so that's fun. So that's me! ANDREW: Cool. Awesome. And Melissa?  MELISSA: I can't really follow that. No ... [laughter] ANDREW: Pretty impressive, right?  MELISSA: No, I've been—next year, I figured out, I've been reading for 30 years, and it occurred to me that I might be able to teach people, like only five years ago. So, I wrote a book. It came out last year; it's Kitchen Table Tarot, and my way of teaching the cards is really similar to Rose's, cause we both grab onto what's around us. ROSE: Mmmhmm. MELISSA: As kind of a pathway to what the card means, and... I don't know, I'm a mom, and trying to figure out how to have, you know, three jobs at a time and still pursue tarot, which is my favorite sweetheart in the whole world, is challenging but worth it, so. Yeah.  ROSE: [whispering] Her book is awesome!  MELISSA: Thank you! ANDREW: Sure. It's a good book. MELISSA: Thank you. I like it.  ANDREW: We have it in the shop; you can get it on ... everywhere. So, check it out.  MELISSA: Thank you! ANDREW: So, tell me about pop culture. You know? What is it about pop culture that intrigues you or interests you? You know? Cause I mean, like, growing up, I always heard, “TV's going to rot your brain, blah blah blah, it's all a waste of time,” right?  ROSE: Right. ANDREW: You know? But for me, it's certainly ... I guess I'll leave it up to the dear listeners to see if my brain is rotted or not, but, you know, to me it always seemed like a way of understanding, a way of connecting, a way of making sense of things, you know? At its best, I mean, right?  ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: But like, what is it about pop culture stuff that's interesting to you two?  ROSE: Okay, well, it was kind of one of my first experiences of finding spirituality, ironically enough, cause I grew up when we could watch, you know, Bewitched, and you could talk about the Greek gods on the different Hercules shows and all of those things, back with Harryhausen, and all of that. And it was just like “Oh! Wait! These aren't just crazy movies and TV shows, there's, like, stuff that they're based on?”  And then going and finding out that, you know, there's Greek mythology, and going and studying that … And then, of course, when you're in school, they're like, “Oh, you're interested in that, here, let me give you more stuff!”, cause teachers want you to learn … And so, that was really how I incorporated the two, and I'm like, well, “Isis is amazing! I love that TV show!” And then, “Oh! It's a real thing!” And then learning more about that as a child, I mean, with the wonder that we have as children, and then, you know, Wonder Woman being, you know, the princess of now, Themyscira, but then, Paradise Island, and incorporating that with the Greek mythology, and going, “Oh, wow, this makes sense!” You know. So, that's kind of where it came from for me. I don't know, your mileage may vary. But that's … I didn't see it as pop culture at the time, I just saw it as “Oh, cool TV show, talking about something real,” air quotes on the real, cause again, TV is not the real part, and just blending, and that's how I built it up, cause okay, now I've got this connection, and yeah, it made sense.  MELISSA: For me it was kind of finding connection, cause I was a lonely nerdy little child, and I would watch Wonder Woman and I would watch, even Mother Goose, you know, with her pointy hat riding a broomstick with her familiar, you know? Like, I was always drawn to the witchy kind of stuff, but I didn't know what to call it, and I loved Uncle Arthur, and, you know, all of the things that had pieces of them that also fit pieces of me, and so I've always been really drawn to pop culture because it kind of helped me identify who I am.  And, like I just saw A Wrinkle in Time, and I sobbed through the whole thing, because Meg was the only person I'd ever met who was like me, when I read those books … ROSE: Mmmhmm. MELISSA: And finding somebody that could like, reach through pages, and say, “Honey, you're normal, you're just like me,” was just amazing. And that was very spiritual for me, to find somebody who said, “You're not aberrant, and you're not a mistake,” you know? So pop culture's been really important to me because I was lonely. And the weird kids all over, The Girl with the Silver Eyes, or the X-Men, or all of these outside kids, they were me. And finding somebody that showed my face back to me was really important. So.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. Yeah. ROSE: What about you, Andrew? ANDREW: When I was growing up in the 80s, all those bad ninja movies were coming out? I was so fascinated with them, you know? And what ended up happening was, me and my friends started trying to learn how to meditate because of it, right? Because we'd see, you know, these things that were really cool and exciting, but then they'd be like sitting there and meditating. And we were like, “Oh, we should meditate. What do we do? How do we do it?” You know?  And that led to me getting involved in martial arts and learning how to really meditate, you know, when I was like 10 and 11 and stuff like that, and, you know, it's one of the things that really became a through line for me. You know? And, it's funny, when I met my partner Hanlon, they hadn't seen Big Trouble in Little China, or they certainly didn't remember seeing it, you know? And, I'm like, “You haven't seen this? We need to fix this right now!” Right? Cause this is like one of the best movies of all time.  And after watching it, he was like, “Wow! You're like all three of the main characters in one person. You're like…?” You know? Jack Burton, the dorky, kind of adventurous, like outgoing kind of person … You know, I was doing a lot of martial arts at the time we met, so, you know, Wang and sort of all of this Kung Fu stylings and stuff, right? And then I was into all these magical things, like Egg Chen, you know? And it was like this very funny thing, to have this reflected back to me, you know? Like you were saying, Melissa, it's like there were elements in this character or in the story that fit my sense of who I was, you know? And it wasn't quite as clean cut as like, “I feel like just this one or that one,” but the story and interactions between all three of those sort of fit that sense of who I was and how I wanted to be in the world, you know? As well as my struggles and other things, you know? So.  MELISSA: Yeah. And I think, going into adulthood, because I've always been, like, completely into any kind of pop culture, fairy tales, fantasy fiction, like whatever. But I could put myself in different characters. So, I'd read Madeleine L'Engle and I would be Daniel, because I loved Daniel. And I would read Charles de Lint, and Julie Coppercorn and I are right here, and it kept ... Seeing the depth in the character taught me to see the depth in myself. Almost. Or that there were other options than being depressed, being quiet, being small. And, since I didn't have really an example around me of an adult who was like me, I would base my behavior on the characters that I read who did things that were honorable and kind and ... They kind of were examples to me. You know, I grew up without a mom so seeing Wonder Woman was huge for me. That was like communion. I would watch her every week, and I identified with her and Princess Leia. That was like my mom character, you know?  ROSE: Mmmhmm. MELISSA: And it filled a void. And it was ... And, the beautiful thing about it is, Rose and I are both Wonder Woman crazy, and we have a connection, and we'll always have that connection. ROSE: Yeah. MELISSA: And it's so great to meet somebody and go, “You dig that thing? I dig that thing too!”  ROSE: Mmmhmm. ROSE: So, there's a whole other world where you reach outside of yourself and say, “Oh my god, I went to, you know, Comic Con, and met three women dressed like Wonder Woman and it was the best day of my life,” you know? ROSE: Oh, yeah. MELISSA: So, that level of outside connection is super important too. ROSE: Well, and, as you just mentioned, it's meeting other people. I think the rise of the Internet has really helped all of us with that because of the “I thought I was the only one who loved this thing,” and in a group where you might have been at school the only one who loved this thing, so you didn't know how to share it with your friends, and now, as you've gotten older, and the Internet exists, you're just like, “Oh my god! I can find people who love my thing!” And I get to talk to people about it.  I mean, one of the things that connected myself with tarot, and gaming, cause that's where my tarot also blends, is the fact that one of the games out there had a tarot deck made for the game, and I'm like, “Oh my god! There's a game! And a tarot! And I can play both!” And I was always the one that wanted to play the tarot character, cause that's who I was. And so, I was always playing the Fate Witch in the Seven Seas game. And then they came out with spreads to do with it, and it just, that built that spiritual connection for me, but it also was, like, reminding me that I'm not the only one who sees that or feels that or connects to that thing that I love.  And then, you know, meeting all of you guys at different events has been awesome, because it's like now I can talk to somebody else who also loves Wonder Woman, tarot, and five billion other things that are like, “Oh my god, I never knew that people like all those things that I liked,” and I think that's kind of the thing for me, is watching how that has happened over the years, and how pop culture has become stronger for other people as well, because they, who are younger than us, had, have always had Internet, have always had pop culture as a thing, and we watched it grow. And I think that was kind of what made me feel like more and more connected to the magic of it, not just the beauty of connection with people. I'm babbling.  MELISSA: Mmmhmm. ROSE: But it's true. It's how we can turn something we love into a connection with our world, if that makes sense, and the spirits around us. Okay. I'm going to stop. I don't know, I just— ANDREW: I think that's really interesting, you know? And for me, I think partly because I almost died when I was 14— ROSE: Oh! ANDREW: I really didn't carry that stuff through in a lot of ways, you know? So, like, I was 14 and after that, like after being in a serious accident, I was like, “All right, I need to understand everything,” and so although I still read, you know, like Shannara books … ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: And like some of that stuff, and I was definitely reading and consuming pop culture things and so on, I was also reading Nietzsche and …  ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: Like, I was just, like, “All right, what is this all about?” Right? And so, for me, I enjoyed those things as a sort of through line of entertainment, but I felt like the answers were elsewhere. And then sort of later on, and you know, certainly sort of more in recent times, I've sort of seen how much is, how much, you know, answers and sort of sense of meaning can come from these other places, right?  ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: To my sort of teenage self, they just weren't serious enough, you know? ROSE: Mmmhmm. MELISSA: Yeah. ANDREW: Like I wanted to know the answers, and therefore, if a book wasn't hard to read, then it probably wasn't really helpful, was kind of a thought that I had at one point, you know?  ROSE: Mmmhmm. And yet—I'm going to interrupt and say, but see … ANDREW: Yeah! ROSE: One of the things that I always come back to mind … We, specifically in pop culture items, there are levels, so there's the level for the kid who's reading it, and then if the parent is reading it, there's more in there that we as adults could see, but when we're that young age we might miss something. It's … What comes to mind right now is the Harry Potter books. You know? They were written, and as they progressed, the child/reader gets older, but so does the characters, but that very first book—it looks like a kid's book, but it's really not, and I think that that's the kind of thing that people miss sometimes, is that there's underlying elements for the adults as well, and so there's something that is being put into motion at first. ANDREW: Mmmhmm. ROSE:  The next thing that just came to mind while you were talking about this is Steven Universe. It's a kids' show, but it's not. ANDREW: Mmmhmm. ROSE: And that's the beauty of bringing in the myths and legends around, you know, people and connection. But parents are like, you know, “Oh, my kid can watch that, it's a cartoon!”  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. ROSE: And yet, there's more there.  ANDREW: And I definitely don't think now that those things are missing, right?  ROSE: No. Oh, no, no.  ANDREW: Yeah. I've read all the Harry Potter books, I don't even know now, cause my kids keep rereading them and we keep rereading them to them, right? ROSE: Right. ANDREW: So, you know, you keep going through that stuff, and there's all sorts of wonderful things in there, you know, for sure, right? But yeah, definitely, it was a concept that I had when I was younger about that stuff for sure, right? Yeah. MELISSA: I always found them too as kind of a gateway. So, like the Madeleine L'Engle books, one of them uses Patrick's Rune, which is a Celtic prayer, and I went to the library and asked the librarian, “Where did this come from?” And she handed me five books on Celtic mythology. And then I wandered out of there and read everything I could about Celtic mythology. And I went back and she gave me Egyptology. And then I went back the next week and I had Chinese divination books. And so, it all kind of fed from each other, and it made me curious about everything, about all of it. And so, I love that within the story is another gateway to another story. I think that's why I'm a big gigantic nerd, if I'm honest, so.  ANDREW: So. ROSE: You've surrounded yourself by nerds, Andrew. Just so you know.  ANDREW: I know! It's great. I love it. It's perfect. I was looking at my collection of pop figures this morning before leaving, and thinking about recording today … ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: Because I have ... Pop figures, if anyone doesn't know them, are these little large-headed representations of, you know, most of the cartoon and movie and TV show and pop culture stuff. And you know, I was looking at my pop Jack Burton, I've got Gracie Law, and I've got the glow in the dark Lo Pan … [laughter] ANDREW: And then I've also got General Voltan from Flash Gordon ...  ROSE: Ah! ANDREW: Which is another of my sort of favorite childhood movies.  ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: But, it, unlike Big Trouble in Little China, doesn't stand the test of time as well. [laughs] It's a pretty horrendous movie when I look back.  MELISSA: But the music does. ROSE: The music's amazing.  ANDREW: The music does, and Ming the Merciless is a tremendous bad guy and a wonderful look, you know?  ROSE: Oh yeah.  ANDREW: But yeah, lots of that movie is definitely really pretty horrendous, though, the last time I looked at it, yeah. ROSE: So. ANDREW: There's nothing wrong with being surrounded with nerds. ROSE: Something that ... So, I took a class at PantheaCon last year on pop culture and magic, cause that's what you do, and Emily Carlin was talking about how you can, because of the connections with the pop culture and magic, you can use some of those Funko pop characters in your practice, if you don't, you know ...  So, you don't want your friends to know what you're doing, but you want to honor your gods. There's a lot of ‘em out there that exist, and you just mentioned Lo Pan, and I'm wondering, you know, would you consider using that as part of your practice, if that were something you were trying to ...? Or that energy. Or even the energy of Jack Burton, I mean, because I mean, the man's the adventurer kingdom, you know, he's before we even get Indiana Jones! MELISSA: He never drives faster than he can see.  ROSE: Yeah. MELISSA: I mean, the man's got skills.  ANDREW: [laughing] ROSE: And he knows what he wants out of life. He wants to drive, he wants to adventure, you know, and that's, you know, so what do you think about that?  ANDREW: I think that that's entirely possible, you know ... I mean, I ... So I'm sitting here recording, and I'm looking at my shelf of things, and, you know, there's a picture of Aleister Crowley, there's a painting I did of St. Expedite, you know, there's like some self-portraits that I've done for magical reasons, and in the middle is my Dr. Zaius Buddha. So, Dr. Zaius from Planet of the Apes, right?  ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: The science person who believed that sort of religion and science ought to be the same and not at odds with each other, right?  ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: And somewhere on Etsy, I found this person who was making Buddhas with different heads on them, like Star Wars ones and Yoda ones and whatever, and I reached out because I was looking for something to kind of use as a magical anchor for my sort of joyous relationship to my work life … ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW:  And sort of do some prosperity work with. And so, I reached out to the person, and I said, “Your stuff is amazing; what I really would like is a Dr. Zaius from the Planet of the Apes.” And his response was, “Dude, I'm working on them right now, I will email you as soon as they are done,” right?  ROSE: That's brilliant.  ANDREW: And so, I got one, you know? (photo in show notes) In gold, and ... ROSE: Oh my gosh! That's amazing! ANDREW: It sits up here with some other stuff, and it's definitely ... It was, for a while, the focal point of a bunch of work that I was doing. Now less so, you know? But ... ROSE: Different work now.  ANDREW: Yeah, but, you know, but for me, I feel like I use the pop stuff as tools for psychological sort of inner self explorations ...  ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: I'm, I mean, because I practice a traditional religion, I don't really feel drawn to use them in sort of my more religious or devotional kind of stuff, because those things already have their own avenues?  ROSE: Right.  ANDREW: But I could see how ... And also, when I was younger, if people didn't like what I was up to, I would be like, “Well, screw you, you're dead to me.”   ROSE: Okay. ANDREW: So. Whoever that was. You know? So, the idea of obscuring things has never been a part of my process. You know?  ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: But I can see how that makes a lot of sense, though, if it is? Right? And I understand that for a lot of people the sort of notion of flying under the radar, right, is important.  MELISSA: We have ... Sorry. We have a family altar in the middle of our living room, and the kids help me. We clean it off at the end of the month, and the kids help me kind of build it over the month, and it gets covered with incense dust and whatever rocks we like, and then we start at the beginning of the month again. And any given month, there is a statue of Mary, some fox fetishes from a Zuni tribe, and a couple Wonder Woman Funko pops, and whatever the kids want to throw on. And it's, you know, if my son is feeling particularly, you know, sad or feeling small, than he'll put his Thor Funko Pop on the altar, and that's his way of kind of reaching out and connecting. ROSE: Mmmhmm. MELISSA: And I've never made anything ... I've never disallowed them from putting anything, whether plastic or, you know, any kind of rocks or whatever, on the altar, because it's not really the antiquity or the ceremony around the object, it's what it means to you.  ROSE: Mmmhmm. MELISSA: And if Thor needs to be on the altar this month, cool, let's do it. You know?  ROSE: Well, and one of the things that I have in plenty is, I'm a Lego nerd. So, I have this, which is, I'm showing to you, Andrew and Melissa, it's a Lego minifig of the Tarot Reader, who is holding a Sun card and a Tower card. And when I first got one of these ... and I've got like three of them now ... I carry ‘em with me in my tarots, when I do readings out, and people kind of go, “What is that?” “It's a tarot minifig! See? This is not scary!” And ... but it's also, you know, a representation of me sometimes, when I need to focus, and so it's again how pop culture and how pop stuff crosses over with my spirituality. ANDREW: Mmmhmm. ROSE: So, it's just a thing, I think that we all need to just grasp what works for us and build our practice around that part of it, and honor the traditional, because that's important. It's finding out what the traditions really are. But then, when it makes it work for you, if connecting that with Wonder Woman for example, or getting the Funko Pop of Hercules, cause, you know, that was kind of cool, works for you, to represent that, you know, or the Athena one, do it, I think that's great. But I also, you know—be aware of what you're connecting with, too, because you're not, it's not just surface stuff.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. Yeah. I also think that it's certainly possible with a lot of these things to start opening up in directions, and making connections with things, and then, you know, and then you can kind of go off and explore the spirituality and come back around and sort of revisit the pop culture layer with new eyes as well, right? It's a way in which we can, you know, continue to see deeper layers and maybe even sort of write extra layers on top of it, even if they're not there, right?  ROSE: Mm. Yeah, I could see that.  MELISSA: During my classes, I think Rose does this too, we both teach tarot classes, and we both use pop culture in them ... ROSE: Mmmhmm. MELISSA: And so, I have this feature that, the name of which I accidentally stole from Jaymi Elford—sorry, Jaymers!—called Pop Goes the Tarot, and I take a fandom like Firefly, and I match it with a tarot card ... ROSE: Mmmhmm. MELISSA: And, I've found the response to those has been really huge. Because if you're having a problem figuring out what the Hermit card is, or what the Emperor is, and if I say the Emperor is Erich Hartmann dressed up as a police officer saying, “Respect my authority!” I mean, that is a pretty strong connection to the archetype of the Emperor ... ROSE: Mmmhmm. MELISSA: And if they start there, and then move on to like, Benebell's gigantic book, or, like, another book that has like spiritual historical symbolic meanings of the cards, then they'll already have that first step into it and what it means—what it could mean for them. You know? And I think that if people do that with their own particular fandoms, they'll have an intimate connection with what that card is.  ROSE: Mmmhmm. MELISSA: So, it's been really fun, and I keep getting emails about ideas of fandoms to explore, but if they're not mine, I don't have the confidence to assign the cards to them, so ... ROSE: I'm still waiting for your Brady Bunch tarot.  MELISSA: Oh, that would be a good one! Okay. I know that fan, I got that. ROSE: [laughing] And I think that's the beauty of pop culture and connection with spirituality is that you are making it a little bit more understandable for yourself. And as you said, yeah, taking the cards, “Okay, this is the Emperor,” well, what's the Emperor do? You know? Is it Emperor Palpatine? Or is it, you know, the … I can't even think right now, Dumbledore, let's just put it that way, that's not even right, though. But the point is, you're figuring out which one matches up better for you. You know, I mean, the Devil might be Voldemort, he might be, you know, Darth Vader, but he also might be, you know, the little girl from The Bad Seed, which is a 1930, 45, something, I don't know, 50s movie about a bad kid who personifies as beautiful and happy and lovely and she does really horrible things for a pair of shoes in one point. But anyway. The point is that you just connect these things. And then you can figure out what your personal connection is to either cards or to spiritual path. And also, the fact that that's part of the collective unconscious as well, because all of these people … also … the moment you say, Lord Palpatine, to a group of people, most of them, I'm not going to say all, but most of them know what you're talking about.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. ROSE: So, you know, you're doing something with a group, and you want to go okay, pull a card, “Oh, and this reminds me of Lord Palpatine,” and the rest of the audience knows what you're talking about. And that's the beauty of the pop culture. Of course, it is also needing to be aware that it is country-sometimes-specific or fandom-specific, because there are people that haven't seen Star Wars.  ANDREW: Well, and also, I think that each of these worlds has varying stories and ideas around power and around, you know, who's the Emperor or the Devil, right? You know?  ROSE: Right. ANDREW: You know, is the Emperor positive, you know? Is it really like great and endearing and lovable figure? Could be, you know?  ROSE: Could be. ANDREW: Right? Is it somebody nefarious and controlling, you know? As I was organizing this, Aidan Wachter resurfaced something he had done previously where he had put Ming the Merciless from Flash Gordon as the Emperor card. Right?  ROSE: Ooh. ANDREW: The guy's an Emperor, a horrible Emperor, but, you know? And I think that there's this level at which, you know, we can start to understand the ways in which we or people view lots of different ideas. ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: As we look at those, you know, what is the notion of justice in Firefly or in, you know, this, that, or whatever, right? ROSE: The Justice League.  ANDREW: Justice League, yeah. How good are the Greek gods, right? You know? If we're looking at Watchmen …  ROSE: Oh, yeah. ANDREW: It's a whole different matter, right? You know?  MELISSA: Batman has been a total a-hole lately, so? ROSE: Yeah. ANDREW: He always was! That's why I liked Batman! You know? I mean when I got into Batman Comics, I was reading them when like the Dark Knight starts, like the comic books start coming out, and Arkham Asylum and the Joker and the Killing Joke and all that kind of stuff, right?  ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: Batman was this pretty sort of amoral, you know, fairly dark character, you know?  ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: And it was interesting, right?  ROSE: You needed a counterpoint, though, to Superman, so yeah. ANDREW: Right? You know? So, I think that yeah, again, it's always, it depends on what we're looking at, right? Are we talking about Adam West as Batman, that's one thing, right? Are we talking about, you know, Christian Bale or, you know, these other comics and stuff, I think that that also becomes quite interesting, and then how do we reconcile sort of what's behind all of those things, you know? What is that? Right? ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: That carries through all those through lines, you know? Yeah. ROSE: Well, and being able to reconcile which versions you're using, as you're pointing out. Cause they all have different flavors.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. ROSE: But that doesn't mean they're different characters, cause they're all parts of Batman, they're just highlighting different facets. I mean, everybody, what, freaked out when Ben Affleck was cast as Batman, and my first thought was, well, he'd make a great Bruce Wayne. ANDREW: Mmmhmm. ROSE:  Not—And I didn't even think of him as Batman, I just thought of him as the Bruce Wayne part of the character, because I think that he has the gravitas for that part. I don't know about his Batman. I'm not going to talk about that. But the point is that I didn't lose my cool over it, let's put it that way, as other people did, because they felt that Batman needed to be darker. Da. And— MELISSA: Well. ROSE: Christian Bale really pulled off a very strong Batman, I think. But it depends on who's writing it. Go ahead.  MELISSA: I think that's an important part too, is that people take these very personally. I always think that people, you know how you're not supposed to talk about religion and politics and stuff. I think that's because people hold their beliefs so close to them, they become integrated with who they are, so if you question the belief, you're questioning the person. So that's my base belief.  And I think that people take fandoms to that level too. Like I was in an elevator one time with my Wonder Woman lunchbox, and somebody was like, is that your kid's? And this was a stranger and I said no. And she goes, aren't you a little old for that? And I, you know, wanted to say, shouldn't you go, whatever ... ROSE: Yeah. MELISSA: But I almost started crying. Because it was so personal. ROSE: Mmmhmm. MELISSA: And such an intimate thing for me, and I was like, I can't fix what she picked on. I can't make that different. It is part of who I am. So, it isn't something that I can like hide it behind my back and pretend that it never happened. She picked on something that was really intimate with me. And I think that that's why, like people get really upset if their identity of who Batman is, is picked on or it's shifted from who they say it is. It's very personal.  ROSE: Yeah. By the way, the response to that should have been “Um, no,” and “Where's your sense of imagination?” But anyway. ANDREW: Well, and so, one of the other fandoms that I quite enjoy is Doctor Who, right?  ROSE: Yes!  ANDREW: And Doctor Who is an interesting one in that regard, because Doctor Who is always changing, right?  ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: And, you know, I think that it's kind of, it's one of the things that makes it fascinating for me, right? You know?  ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: I certainly have my favorite and less favorite iterations, you know?  ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: But yeah, I think it's really interesting, you know? And I think that this notion that we end up at, right?  ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: I think that it's one of the reasons that we like fiction so much, right? In its various forms. Is fictional characters or stories or whatever: they're allowed to change, right? But if we walk through the world, it's easy to end up in places and around people where it's much harder or maybe sort of unofficially not permitted to change, right?  ROSE: Mm. ANDREW: All of those social constructs of our job and our relationships and our friends and stuff can sort of exert this force that seeks to keep us in a constant relationship, right? We always have to be Ben Affleck, or we never can be Ben Affleck, or whatever it is about that Batman, right?  ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: And yet these stories and the way in which both are reinvented as the worlds get rewritten, but also as they go through their journeys, they get to become different people, which I also think is very fascinating, you know? Yeah. I think the ... I think that, you know, bonking someone in the head with your Wonder Woman lunch bag is probably a good time.  [laughter] ANDREW: I endorse that. The Jack Burton in me said “Do it.”  [laughter] ANDREW: Yeah. MELISSA: It's all in the reflexes.  ROSE: Well, and I ... it sounds like you were surprised by the commentary too.  MELISSA: Mmmhmm. ROSE: Cause that is kind of surprising, it's like, why would you say that to someone that you don't even know?  ANDREW: Yeah. Well, it's ... Yeah. And I know lots of people who complain or make comment about people doing cosplay or people doing ... I'm like, “Why on earth are you peeing in someone else's Cheerios?”  ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: Just let them have their fun and do whatever they're doing, like, what does it matter to you? Why do you care, right?  MELISSA: That is such a visual, thanks! ANDREW: You're welcome. But why on earth would anyone care what you watch or don't watch or carry or all these things, right? Like just, you know.  MELISSA: And I've gotten emails from people who said that, like I've had four or five, actually, in the past couple years that said I'm making light of a sacred tradition, and I'm like, if you don't like my book, cause my book is pretty light, I connect things to the publisher, I connect them to stories in my life, I connect the cards to pretty much anything that I find relatable, as a form of teaching. If you don't like it, don't fucking read my book. That's fine. Don't read my stuff about pop culture. Don't. Go find something else that you relate to. If you find yourself wanting to send that email, also don't do that, because, you know, blocked and deleted, as my kid says. It's just, why would you do that? Why would you take the time to try to impress yourself on another adult who already has their ideas? And it just seems so futile. And self-promoting and crappy. ANDREW: Well, why do people do these things? What do you think?  MELISSA: I think they feel small. and they want to feel big. That's … I think it's sad. Well, I mean, it pisses me off. But I also think it's sad. And, you know, it's a way for them to feel big. It's a shitty way to do it, but it's a way, you know? ROSE: Yeah. And also, it's a way to say, “Hey, see, I'm smart, I know this thing, and maybe you don't, and here, let me explain it to you so that you see the error of your ways.”  MELISSA: Well, actually ...  ROSE: And that's, I think, a big thing that's going on is, you know, as the older guard, if you will, starts passing on, unfortunately, the younger guard is going to take what they've learned and they're not going to ignore the sources, but they're also going to make it their own. And I think that's what you do, is that you remind people, yes, there are these big things and sacredness to everything and please honor that, but while you're learning that stuff, to be able to use your tools now, here's a way to connect it to what you're going through with your everyday life.  I mean, part of, okay, James Wanless, cause I talk about him a lot, in general, is him, he created the Voyager Tarot. If you look at his courts, they're not knight/queen/king/page, they're child/woman/man/sage, because it was like, okay, in the 80s, we don't know, anybody, really, not in America, who are knights, queens, kings, and pages, really. Yeah, if you go to England, you can find them, I know, but I know a child, I know a woman, I know a man, and I might even know a sage, who is someone who knows a lot of stuff, so [sigh]. That's like … And it's modernizing something. That didn't mean he threw out the past. He just brought some stuff up to the future. And I think that's what you, Melissa, are doing with your work, is that you are taking this sacred knowledge that you learned, and then applying the stuff that you love and connecting them and making them more palpable for a modern view. Again, not ignoring where it came from, but not saying, okay, we can ONLY talk about it in that fashion. Because you need to have something that you can connect to, or it's not going to stick. At least that's been my experience.  MELISSA: My biggest hope about this book is that it is completely irrelevant in 30 years. I would love that. Because I want everybody to just kind of get involved, and I want ideas to change, and they're already a couple of things that I put in it that I'm like, damn it, I kind of want to fix that, but it's too late. And, because I think that, you know, my kids think different things than I do, and they're 12 and 14, and their kids are going to have a whole different perspective. And I think that tarot lends itself to being whatever you need it to be, and so I think that what people will need it to be in 30 years is going to be something entirely different. I think that's beautiful. You know?  ANDREW: So, I kind of, I agree, and I disagree with you. ROSE: Okay. ANDREW: I want to, I'm going to throw out some other options here. And I'm going to start by framing it in a different context and then come back to tarot. Right? ROSE: Okay! ANDREW: So, as you both know, and as people who listen probably know, right? I practice the Orisha tradition in a very traditional way. Right? And, so, for me, this is a very sacred thing, you know? And certainly in my practice, I endeavor to follow the traditional ways of doing things and work with my elders and all of that kind of stuff.  And, so here's this thing that I identify and hold very sacred and not immutable, and not that I think there aren't a few things that might benefit from changing, but in general, I'm very like, this is it, these are the things, this is how it's done, and these are the beliefs within that structure about how these spirits work with people, and so many things, right? And then, I run a store, and I go out in the world, and I do things, and people do all sorts of other stuff, right? And that stuff ranges from interesting and sort of regional difference, to like horrendous, in my opinion, misunderstandings and appropriation, right?  ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: And, so, for me, there's this practice where I have my own structures, and beliefs, and structures in which I work, and I look out from that place into other things that people are doing, and all, so much of it I don't understand what's going on at all ... ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: Or, from a traditional point of view it's problematic or inappropriate. But I recognize that everybody's free to do whatever they like, and so I just largely ignore, or just don't engage people when they're doing other things, right?  ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: When it comes to tarot, I think that it's very challenging, you know, and Mary Greer just had a big post on this on her Facebook. If you're a follower of hers, you could probably scroll down a bit and find it. About this sort of, can we just do anything with tarot, right?  ROSE: Mmmhmm.  ANDREW: And I think that to me, while it's not as clearly defined as my religious practice, which is a very clear and sort of longstanding traditional structure, I think that with tarot, there's this sort of central core of things, which to me encompasses what tarot is, you know?  ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: And as you migrate out from those sort of pieces, and depending on which sort of pockets you choose to work with, right? Are you a Rider-Waite person and falling kind of in that line? Are you a more esoteric person and fall in that line? Are you reading in a more sort of European style with, like, Marseilles cards and so on ...? ROSE: Mmmhmm.  ANDREW: But to me, there's a place at which it loses its cohesion as we start doing anything with it, right?  ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: There's a place at which the absence of what I sort of perceive as coherence starts ... I again … I have a similar feeling, although it's in a different way, where I just stop understanding what's going on. You know? I just don't understand, what is this? What's happening here? How does this work? So. Anyways. That's my response to what you said, Melissa.  MELISSA: That was a lot. And I do agree with you, but I think what I was trying to say, and maybe didn't do a good job, is that my opinion is not the only opinion. And that there is going to be a core. It can't be tarot and be 10,000 different things at the core, but it has to be basically the same thing for everybody.  But I'm not teaching the core of anything, I'm teaching what I think, and I'm teaching what's relatable to me, and, like, I learned to read on this Eden Gray book, and I read it so much that it's held together by duct tape and prayers, I mean, it's just, it's really beat up. But she didn't speak my language. And it took me a long, long time to figure out what the hell a Hierophant was, how to say it, I'm still not sure if I'm right, I couldn't relate to it at all.  It wasn't until I found Rachel Pollack and Mary Greer, that I went, “Oh! They're speaking my language!” And Barbara Moore spoke my language, you know? And those three women taught me tarot. And Eden Gray tried to for like 15 years, but I ... It was so far removed from who I was and my understanding, that I had to read it with a dictionary in one hand, you know, to try to figure out what the hell she was talking about.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. MELISSA: So, when I say that I hope that my stuff becomes irrelevant, it's going to, I'm not going to be relatable to a 14-year-old in 30 or 40 years. It's just not going to happen. And I think that's great. You know?  ANDREW: You never know, you'll have a syndicated tv show at that point, and ... MELISSA: Yeah... ROSE: A couple of books, and movies, and people will be following you on the Internets, and ... ANDREW: Manga and reinterpretations of your books, and reinventions, and ... [laughter] ROSE: You will be then flown to China, many times! And! But no, seriously. And I think I agree with Melissa on this, but I also see what your point is, Andrew, and I think what I ... I'm not saying throw the baby out with the bathwater if you will. Because again, if you're following a tradition, that's very different. In my opinion. Because, again, like you said, your Orisha has a structure. ANDREW: Mmmhmm. ROSE: And tarot has a structure, true. And adding pop culture won't—shouldn't, let me be more specific—shouldn't take away from the underlying structure. But as— ANDREW: And I don't think that pop culture is at all an issue in relation to tarot— ROSE: No, no, no, no— ANDREW: I wouldn't be having this conversation if I did, right?  ROSE: No, no, no, no—no, no. No, what I'm saying is I think that the way that I may have phrased it is like, it does not apply to everything. You cannot apply ... You can't take the Orisha tradition and then apply pop culture to it ... They're two very different things.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. ROSE: And there is a foundation in tarot that is being something you can move and mesh with. But it doesn't, the foundation doesn't go away, even when you apply the pop culture.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. MELISSA: And I wonder if—oh, I'm sorry. ROSE: No, go ahead.  MELISSA: If the difference between the two is that Orisha is sacred and when tarot is sacred to someone, they don't really want pop figures in their tarot.  ROSE: Right.  MELISSA: So, it's how close you hold it to who you are and your faith. And tarot to me is a tool, it's a stack of pretty cards that help me do my thing, that's fantastic, and I'll be really pissed if ... ANDREW: Pop culture is sacred to you, right?  MELISSA: It's a tool, it's a tool that I love, but I ... you know, I don't have it on my altar, I don't worship it. I don't think that. ... They're a tool that I can use really well, but that doesn't mean that they're sacred to me. You know? That might be the difference, you know?  ANDREW: For me, with my tarot cards, right, I'm a huge fan of the Joseph Peterson reproduction of the Jean Noblet Tarot de Marseilles. That is basically the only one that I read with right now. And so like, when I realized that they were going to go out of print, I just took three and put them in a drawer, cellophane-wrapped, so that when the one that I'm using now wears out, which it is starting to kind of get a bit worn, I can just be like, yeah, I don't need to be sad about this, they're just ink on paper, I'll go get another one from the drawer, you know?  MELISSA: Yeah. I did the same thing with the Uusi Pagan Otherworlds Tarot. I saw one picture—Ryan Edwards posted a picture of it, and I bought two. And I was like, this is for me, and this one is for future me. And future me is going to thank me, because I'm going to read with this about ten times a week forever, and then I'll need a new one, because they speak to me so much. But it's just like a really good chef's knife. You know? If you find the knife that fits your hand, that's the one that you're going to want to have around.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. MELISSA: Not that I can cook. I really can't! But I know that knives are expensive.  ROSE: Knives are important, knives are important, good to know, I agree. But again, it's kind of like, you're honoring the basis, you're not changing it. And you're adding a layer to understanding, I don't ... [sigh] It's just, oh gosh, that's just two very separate things for me.  Cause again, I do put tarot cards on my altar, and I generally use the Rider Waite Smith just because it's simple for that. I don't read with one of those very often, unless I'm at an event where I don't know if people are going to know it. I bring in one with me, but my cards always vary, I'm either carrying around the Everyday Witch Tarot, which just recently came out in the last two years, or the Druidcraft, which I've cut the borders off of, which was a thing you didn't do back in the day and now you do if you want to, and I've got like three copies of that particular deck cause it spoke to me.  I've got my Robin Wood because again, my mood changes, I mean I've got three different copies of the Voyager, and I have one that I've cut in fours so that I can like, have a focus, I need to have something focused, pull that corner of that card and go, okay that's the thing I need to look at, then go get the bigger image and figure out what that was, and … But again, I don't think I'm getting rid of the sacredness that the tarot, air quotes, is founded on, cause again we're still, there are still arguments about how that's been founded, but anyway.  But I wouldn't necessarily take pop culture and put my religious aspects on it, cause like I said I'm trying to study Celtic recre- recreation- bleh. Ah, talking! Celtic reconstructionism, that's the word, and I'm trying to find out that by reading their actual text. And that's not … But again, now how do you talk to people who are studying Norse mythology right now? And, you know, all the love of all of the Thor movies, and all of that, you know, and what about Loki and those movies, cause people are now making their version of Loki look like Tom Hiddleston. Lovely as he is, that's not the Norse mythology Loki. ANDREW: Mmmhmm. ROSE: So, but they're blending that a little bit. And is that going against the sacred text, because that's their image of it, even though they may be reading the actual text, they're still visualizing Tom Hiddleston? I don't know.  ANDREW: Mmmhmm. MELISSA: I'm always a fan of visualizing Tom Hiddleston, just to be on record, I have no problems with that.  ROSE: [laughing] ANDREW: I think few people have a problem with that, very very few people. Yeah. ROSE: He's lovely, but, do you know what I'm saying?  ANDREW: Yeah, absolutely.  MELISSA: Yeah, absolutely.  MELISSA: But I think it again goes to, how close do you hold it to you? If that's something that you hold very close to you, then that's not okay, and I think that we have to be really mindful of that, with other people, of how close they hold something, before we go goofing around with it, you know? For sure.  ROSE: Did that answer your question, Andrew?  ANDREW: Did I have a question?  ROSE: Well, I want to make sure we spoke to the ... cause again, you said you agreed and disagreed with our statement, and I'm thinking, well, yeah, I get both of what you're talking about, and I want to make sure that we responded.  ANDREW: Yeah, I think that there's a couple things, right? One is, people get really upset about the tradition of tarot. Right? And what they mean by the tradition of tarot depends on who that person is, right?  ROSE: Yeah. ANDREW: Do they mean, you know, Arthur Waite, and Rider-Waite-Smith, and sort of the various things that come from that? ROSE: [whispering] The Golden Dawn! ANDREW: Do they mean, you know, something different, like ...? And to some extent, I think that there's this sort of ... It's a ... It's a fake argument, right? Because ultimately there are at least a handful of branches of tarot from a big perspective, right?  ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: You know, but you can go down and then there's all those sort of branches that come from these things, and if you're in one and looking at the other, they're always kind of challenging, right?  ROSE: Mmmhmm.  ANDREW: I mean I started reading tarot initially with the Mythic Tarot but really focused on Crowley's work, right, and so I basically just read The Book of Thoth, right, over and over and over again ... ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: And people would say to me, like, well how do I learn Crowley's Thoth deck, and I'm like, “He wrote a book, you read it, like, I don't understand the question,” right?  ROSE: Right.  ANDREW: And, it's kind of unfair, cause the book is complicated and obtuse and difficult to read and you know, all of those things, right? But again, it was the only thing I could get my hands on and, back in the 80s and 90s, as far as I knew, it was the only thing in print. There was nothing else to get. So, I was like, I'm just going to keep reading this thing until it makes more sense. ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: So, there's that, right? But I also think that … I think there is the challenge where people layer other things like well, maybe like pop culture, certainly like their own intuitive or self-derived meanings, and then assert those as like, you know, universal or inherently true or all those kinds of things, right? Because there ... I think that one can do anything you like with tarot, and I think that you should do everything that you like and feel like you want to do with tarot. And associate those meanings and all of that kind of stuff ... ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: The challenge is where people sort of erase the rest of the branches of the trees, right?  ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: You know, I've met a bunch of people who were very good psychics who used cards, but I would never really consider them card readers because what they do has no bearing on anything that I've ever understood to be reading the cards. ROSE: Hmm. ANDREW: They lay them out and they start talking, and they're like, “Oh yeah, this one, and blah blah blah blah blah,” and I'm like, “Why is the Ten of Swords getting a new job?” and they're like, “I don't know, that's the message I get,” and I'm like, “Okay.” And their readings are true ...  ROSE: Right. ANDREW: But they literally have no bearing whatsoever on anything that anybody would agree upon who has studied cards at all. Right? So, I ... ROSE: Huh. ANDREW: But those people—the couple of people that I've met that way—asserted what they were doing was traditional, was reading the cards, and I'm like, “It's not, it's something else, you know?” And not that it's invalid, but it's where things get confusing, right?  MELISSA: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: So. Yeah. So that's my mix of things.  ROSE: Now I want to meet some of those people and see how they read. Cause that'd be interesting, cause the Ten of Swords as a job ... Huh. Interesting.  ANDREW: Yeah. ROSE: Interesting.  ANDREW: It's easy. You just like, deal out like 20 cards on the table in some random ever-changing pattern every time you do it, and then you just look at them and say things, and that's it. That's what it looks like, so. ROSE: Okay. All right. I will have to find somebody who does it that way, then. That's interesting. Yeah. Hmm. I don't know.  ANDREW: Uh-huh. Were you going to say something, Melissa? I saw you like, lean in there.  MELISSA: Yeah, I, you know, I think that I've read like that before, when I've just done the readings intuitively and the cards don't matter. I don't … I hardly look at them, and if I need them to make a point, I'll find the card that makes that point with what I'm saying, but it becomes like a connection psychic reading or whatever, and I'll glance at the cards and just do the reading, and I'll pull stuff out of wherever it comes from, and the cards … Basically shuffling them helps the person relax, you know? Handling them helps me get in the place that I need to be, and then the reading just happens.  And, should I see something in the cards that pushes forth what I'm getting, then I'll be like, “Oh, yeah, this thing here, right, yeah, this is what the sword is doing,” and it kind of ... I did it more when I was first starting out, because I didn't know what the hell I was doing. And I was like, “Oh, well, I'm thinking about your mother, and here's a lady sitting in a chair, so clearly those two things are related.” But now, if I'm not paying attention to the way that I'm doing readings, I'll just start reading for somebody while they're shuffling, before they've even put the cards, like, down, and I'll start the reading, and then I'll be like “Oh, crap! I was supposed to wait. Sorry, my bad!” And that's just how my readings have evolved. So, it's strange, but, you know, it is what it is. I'm not everybody's cup of tea.  ROSE: But you are someone's shot of whiskey. It's fine.  MELISSA: I'm a bit weird in that way, but I think that it's just kind of merging two different styles of reading, because I can read just the cards, and I can read without them, and when I merge the two, sometimes one way is stronger, and sometimes the other one is. So.  ANDREW: Yeah. But you're not ... it doesn't sound like you're confusing the two.  MELISSA: No. They're definitely different.  ANDREW: Yeah. MELISSA: And. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.  ANDREW: So. For people who want to play with pop culture, what should they do?  ROSE: What do you mean?  ANDREW: Well, people listening to this and maybe this is a newer idea, or they've been thinking about it, but don't know where to start? If you're, like, going to start, like, incorporating or thinking about pop culture as a thing that could overlap and intersect with spiritual practice, like reading the cards or something else, where do people start?  MELISSA: I always like, when I have students, I ask them to start a tarot journal, and I ... One of the first things I ask them to do is to find their favorite fandom and match the major arcana to as many characters as they can, and then we talk about why they came up with those answers. ROSE: Mm. MELISSA: The other thing I do is ask them to find a song for each card. And a song that kind of speaks to the meaning of, like there's a song called “Pendulum Swinger,” and I'm like, this to me, by the Indigo Girls, is the High Priestess. And, so, they listen to the song that I pick, and I say, “Why do you think that I picked that?” And it just gives us like, an hour's worth of conversation based on a song in Firefly about cards, that it helps them connect to them in a way that they didn't know that they could, and it's fun. It's really fun. So, that's what I do. ROSE: I generally try and have people just look at the cards and see what they see. If they're new, and they're like, “I'm not ... This makes no sense!” The first thing I tell them and, sorry people who write the Little White Books, or the LWBs, I tell them to put that away. And to just take time with, you know, tarot journal, every day, pick a card, write what you see, tell me what it feels like to you, find a word, just one word, to describe that card. And go through all the cards.  And then, is there something in your community, your stuff you love, the interests that you have, that comes up for you when you see that card? Write that down. And then, when we meet, we talk about what it is you saw, why did you see it, and how does it connect? And sometimes it's pop culture, sometimes it's just, you know, something they read, but, and that's still something that's going on around them, and then we talk about it. And then, you know, it might be—cause most of my friends are Star Wars fans—we talk about Star Wars connected to the tarot. Or we'll talk about Star Trek cause that's the other fandom, cause we're old school like that.  ANDREW: Well, when I ... ROSE: In that way.  ANDREW: Was studying Kabbalah the first time, Star Trek Next Generation was on the air, right? So, the conversation was, all right, Tree of Life, which one's the Captain? Which one's Worf? Which one's, you know, whoever, right?  ROSE: Yeah. ANDREW: Kind of running through that. And making those parallels and sitting in a room of people and discussing that.  ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: That's such a wonderful, like, I think that one of the great things about these kinds of ideas is the dialogue about where they can get ascribed to is tremendously educating, you know?  ROSE: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: There's no right or wrong answers, you know, depending on the angle or the lens we use, they could be a variety of things, right? You know? I mean, Jack Burton can be the Fool, right? But they can also be a variety of other things depending on where they are in that journey. Right?  ROSE: Right.  ANDREW: But, yeah. ROSE: Well, and who would you make—I would say Wang might be more the Fool, and Jack is the Magician.  MELISSA: I don't know. I put Wang as Temperance, and Burton as the Fool, cause Wang balances mind, body, and spirit a lot better than anyone else.  ROSE: Ah. ANDREW: Yeah. I think, I mean. You think about Jack Burton, you know? Especially that scene where like, all of the scenes with him that machine gun, right? Like he's there and he's got this machine pistol thing, right?  ROSE: Yeah. ANDREW: He jumps out and he tries to shoot it and he's like, “Oh, it doesn't work.” And then he goes back and tries to fix it, he comes back, and all of a sudden everything's whatever, he drops it, or he shoots the bricks over his head, they hit him in the head and he falls down, you know like, there's this constant set of things. To me, Egg Chen would be the Magician. Right? You know? He's got his potion, right?  ROSE: Yeah.... ANDREW: That helps him see things nobody can see and do things nobody can do?  ROSE: Yeah... ANDREW: And he's got his bag and ... ROSE: But I would make him the Hierophant.  ANDREW: Hmm. ROSE: I'd make him the Hierophant because he's the teacher, even though you might not want to learn the lesson, or you're not ready to see it, he's got the answers. But that's me.  MELISSA: Yeah, I think that Gracie would be that, because Gracie has all the back story and the information that they're missing to go on their adventure, so Gracie Law basically jumps in to say, “Oh, by the way, you need to go to this place, this is who that guy is, here's what he's up to, here's who these guys are, and in that way he hands them the keys to their adventure, right?” ANDREW: Mmmhmm. MELISSA: And the cool thing about this conversation is, all of us disagree, and nobody's being an asshole about it.  [laughter] MELISSA: Which I think is really cool, and that more people should probably do when they're talking about tarot. ANDREW: Perfect. ROSE: Yes! No matter what the lens that you're talking about it with, I would agree.  ANDREW: Absolutely, absolutely. All right, well thank you all for hanging out and indulging my ridiculousness around this conversation. I deeply appreciate it. Rose, where should people come find you online?  ROSE: You can find me on Twitter @RoseRedTarot, and also on Instagram @RoseRedTarot, or you can find me at Tarot Visions podcast, on iTunes and Pod Bean. ANDREW: Nice! And links in the show notes. And, Melissa?  MELISSA: If you Google Little Fox Tarot, you'll find me. I'm out there! ANDREW: Perfect. Awesome. Well, thank you so much, and yeah, it's been really fun and ridiculous, and thanks for agreeing and disagreeing but certainly for showing up, so, awesome!   

The Hermit's Lamp Podcast - A place for witches, hermits, mystics, healers, and seekers
EP74 Stacking Skulls 3 - Life, Death, And the Practice

The Hermit's Lamp Podcast - A place for witches, hermits, mystics, healers, and seekers

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Andrew, Aiden, Fabeku, and Jonathan are back with a surprise or two coming your way this episode. We start by catching up, and discussing the events of the past couple of months and end with some amazing questions from our listeners! Check out our past 2 episodes if you haven't yet. Full episodes and ways to connect with the skulls can be found in the links below. *EXPLICIT EPISODE ALERT* Click here to listen to the first chat by Stacking Skulls. Click here to listen to our most recent one.  If you'd like to learn more and sign-up for the Ancestral Magick Course, click here. Find the Stacking Skulls Shirts, and all other types of merch here. If you are interested in supporting this podcast though our Patreon you can do so here. If you want more of this in your life you can subscribe by RSS , iTunes, Stitcher, or email. Thanks for listening! If you dig this please subscribe and share with those who would like it. Andrew   If you are interested in booking time with Andrew either in Toronto or by phone or Skype from anywhere click here. ANDREW: So, there are two quick things I want to share with everybody before this podcast gets going. The first being, Stacking Skulls now has shirts. That's right: they are on my website. If you go into the product section, you'll see a section for shirts. Or you can just search for Stacking Skulls and you will find them. And secondly, we spent a lot of time talking about ancestors in this course, and coincidentally, or perhaps synchronously, I am running my ancestral magic course, which is an opportunity for everybody to learn some brand new divination tools that I have created so that they can build a tighter relationship with their ancestors, either known or unknown, and start to learn to work some magic with them. So, if you're interested about that, jump over to TheHermitsLamp.com and slide over to the events page, and you'll find it. Without further ado, Stacking Skulls, my friend. [music] Welcome to the podcast, folks. Just to give you a heads up before we start: there were some technical issues with Jonathan's microphone. We've trimmed them and cut it, so it flows, but if you run into anything strange, that would be what was happening. [music] Hey world! We're back: Stacking Skulls. This is the magnificent first show of 2018 with all four of us wonderful wizards in the same place. Thanks for tuning in again. And, if you have not listened to the previous rounds of shenanigans, you may want to go back and do so, or you may want to bypass that entirely. I'll leave that in your hands. You know? But there are two previous episodes or installments of myself, Aidan Wachter, Fabeku, and Jonathan Emmett, and you know, we've gotten together a few times and talked about some things, so I'm going to kind of lead us off, though, with our kind of starting point thing, which is, like, hey folks, what's new in the last three months since we last all hung out together? JONATHAN: I had a microphone up my butt. [laughter] ANDREW: Excellent. Now, the explicit tag! JONATHAN: Next, Aidan's turn. [laughter] AIDAN: You know, this has been like the craziest three months ever. Right after we recorded the last time, my son died, and that was a really huge and transformative thing. And it's hard to describe it anyway, but...there is like a massive massive hole there and loss there, but it was also incredibly beautiful. We were able to get him home from the hospital, so that he died in his back yard, with a bunch of friends and family around. It was easily the most magical and beautiful thing that I've ever seen. And then, I had surgery. And now I'm pretty much recovered from that. And playing catch-up in the shop after those two things, and as of last night I'm now a double grandfather, as Ash's partner, Desi, just had twins last night. And they're beautiful, everybody's good! ANDREW: That's amazing. Yeah. Whenever I've gone through big losses in my life, you know, like two of my brothers died within six weeks of each other... AIDAN: Whoa. ANDREW: And, I always find myself at those times, in, like this sort of liminal space, right? You know? Like where I just sort of end up where I'm like, I feel like I'm constantly in ceremony for some period of time afterwards. And surgery does that, and, you know, I mean, for me, having kids, I don't have any grandkids, but having kids did that. Do you feel like you're still kind of in that, that kind of space? Are you like, sort of living 24/7 in there, or...? AIDAN: It's really wild, because, I think in the last episode, we talked about that I have these kind of death spirits that I've been hanging out with for a couple of years now. And in the week that I think I talked about, how they've gotten really busy, leading up into it. And so, that had become this, like, every night crazy kind of spirit initiations with these kind of hive beings that their thing is death, that I call the sisters. And so, when he, when I found out that his heart had stopped, that they had him on life support, I went in and they were totally waiting for me, and so it was very odd, cause they'd clearly been setting me up for this thing, for a couple of weeks. And so, I went straight in to go find him, where he was, kind of stuck in between, and assist from there. And so, the combination of all of that and then actually flying out, I guess two days before he was, we actually removed him from life support, and going through that process there, it's the most complete thing that's kind of a major event that's happened to me, as far as kind of fully self-contained in a way, of anything that I've ever experienced. So it's very odd, cause in many ways, I just feel really really good, you know, and I'll get hit at points, you know when I've been doing work for Desi and for his babies, there'll be these moments that are very very sad, but it's really just about, I know how much he would have liked to have watched the thing, and met them in the flesh and done that whole thing, that was really important to him, but what I feel like is this huge shift. You know, you have those moments in your life when you can feel like the cogs in the wheels of the machine are always turning, right? And to me, we're always trying to like, smooth that out and gauge where it's going and gauge what the next configuration is going to be. And this feels, in a really crazy way, like it's the smoothest kind of complete snap of things. So that's really what I have more than it being anything else. And like, just mass clarity. So there has been a huge amount of work going on, but it's really been, like there's a ton of stuff that, I don't need that anymore, I don't need to think about that any more, let's do the work to finish that piece off. About things from my childhood, and, you know, social dynamics, magical dynamics, all that stuff. There's been a lot going on, definitely. But so far, it's, you know, it's weird to say, in that situation, that everything seems really good. But it does. ANDREW: Yeah. I mean, it's certainly my experience of... Well, it's one of the reasons for the practice, right? You know? Whether that's Fabeku's The Practice, trademarked, or whether it's just having a practice, right? AIDAN: Yeah. ANDREW: I mean, you know, I think that there are... Ideally we get to these places where there's grief, there's loss, there's whatever, right? And there's the hole, and there's the absence of that person from experiences, and the feelings that come from that, right? But then there's also this capacity to be like, I find myself at various points thinking, other people seem like they feel like I should be way more upset about this... AIDAN: Yeah.... ANDREW: ...than I am, and I have this sort of very deep grounded position around it, where it's not avoidance or denial, cause it's actually almost like a hyper level of looking at it so squarely that it becomes easier to accept it, or to recognize it, and to see the ways in which that is, as you say, maybe that, the moving of the cogs, the machinery of the universe, the inevitability of some kind of fate force or, or just something that is just beyond our control at this point, either way, whether it was destiny or not, you know. AIDAN: Yeah. And I think, yeah, that in spades, and it's really interesting, because it's also, and I'm sure that all of you have had this experience, that we do all this work, kind of in these liminal states, or... ceremonial work or ritual work, not in a ceremonial magic sense necessarily, but just the work dealing with spirit, and dealing with the universe at large, what I call the field, and periodically, there are things that happen that really make you realize you haven't done your work in some places? [laughs] ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: That you're like, “Oh! That smashed me!” Right? And I've had a good number of those. This was the reverse of that. This was like, I got the news about him, I went in, the allies that I work with were like, really sweet, and like, okay, you now know what we've been up to with you, let's go do it, you know? He's here, he's stuck. Let's fade him. And that's the most beautiful thing that I've ever experienced. And to me, it is, it is the, yeah, you can do money magic, you can do attraction magic, you can do whatever, but to me it's that: How is the work assisting your reality in the actual reality that you're in? ANDREW: Yeah. AIDAN: And this was totally solid. ANDREW: Yeah. AIDAN: And it remains totally solid. And I feel like at least the people that I've dealt with closely that were close to him all get that, in a way that I've never seen around someone's death before. And I think it is people who were doing the work, and who are... I have this knowledge that I've had since I was a kid, that I kind of realized what historical life expectancy of humans was, and the numbers that even got anywhere close to there, and what infant mortality rates and childhood mortality rates are, and so since I was a little kid, I've had that knowledge of that. Like, this is a totally iffy thing. You don't get to stay, and you don't get to pick when you leave, and far more leave sooner than later. You know? ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: And, I've had that. I was in San Francisco, at the kind of height of the AIDS wipeout there, and so that's also, I think, you know, at an early age, I lost a lot of people. And so, it was really interesting seeing this, and going like, this is the most okay I've ever been about having somebody cross over. But I think that that's really tied into the work that I've been doing for the last five or ten years. That I could actually be there with it as it was, and go, okay! This is, me, it doesn't matter what I want here, I'm irrelevant in this situation, so... ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: I would help the process that's actually happening, to happen in the way that it's supposed to, you know? But yeah. That's what I've been up to. [laughs] ANDREW: Yeah. Well. It's affirming to hear you talk about it. Do you know what I mean? AIDAN: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: Because, because I think that there are lots of ways in which, especially certain kinds of conversations around magic can feel sort of superficial and transitory, whereas this sort of, the deep work of, I don't know what you would call it, elevating oneself, healing oneself, harmonizing with that universal, the cogs of the universe or whatever, you know, I mean, to me that work has always been the most important work, but it is, except, you know, except when you lose a wheel, you don't notice it, right? Like there's no way to really sort of see it in action, and then when you see it, you're like, “yeah, it's so good that I practiced all that driving with three wheels, cause, one just came off, and now I can stop safely and put something else on there and see what happens next, you know?” So. AIDAN: Right. Well and I think it also syncs into that concept that kind of connects to a question that we had that, in passing, which is this kind of, there is this direct relationship in my mind from what we now are viewing, the pieces that we can see of it, anthropologically, as shamanism, right, which is this, to me, this epic chain, of shamanism and magic and sorcery and whatever you want to call it, spirit work, that goes back as far as we go back. And I think that this kind of thing is the root of it, you know, it's about... The reasons for all the kind of death mysteries are not because there's some way out of it! [laughs] ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: It's just, this is a reality that is the most prevalent reality other than the birth one, right? And that's that, the wild thing about this to me is that, you know, he's gone now three months almost exactly, and his children are now here as of yesterday. And I think they're going to have a really... They have a fantastic mom, who has a fantastic network of people, and I think they're going to have really fantastic lives, and yeah, there'll be that piece that they didn't get, but he's like, he's an epic, mythic creature for anybody who kind of has watched this, it's like, and I don't know that that's a benefit or a drawback, to grow up with that! [laughs] Without getting to see some of the grungier sides of it as a kid. Yeah. But, they're going to be special people. They've got special people all around them. ANDREW: Yeah. JONATHAN: You know, I was kind of thinking, while you were talking there, it kind of makes you wonder if he had to leave so that they could be born, in a way. I mean, just, the surrounding, everything surrounding the situation of how it just kind of happened, it really was no warning of any sort or anything, I mean it just kind of happened. It just, it makes you wonder, you know? I think about weird stuff like that. But it does kind of feel like he had to go so they could be here. You know, it's kind of a change of energy or exchange of... the... AIDAN: Mmmhmm. No, I totally, you know, it's one of those things that again, we never get to have those answers in any… JONATHAN: Right. AIDAN: …definable way, but the thing that I saw, through the time that I was out there when he was in the hospital and then when we brought him home, and had, I don't know, there must have been 20 or more of us in the back yard with him... …Was, you could see the transformation happening on all of those people. While it was happening, I was like, either you could see that there was a way in which this thing was a huge gift to all those people, to see someone's death happening and it being processed by the people close to them into my mind, the most beautiful way that you could hope for, you know? JONATHAN: When I was 12, I think I was 12, I was pretty young, anyway, my grandfather, loved this man dearly, he was just one of the coolest guys in the world. He taught shop in east Wichita, in, you know, some of the toughest parts of town, and he was Native American to top it off, so you know he probably didn't get treated very well, but he was just such a good man, it was hard for me to let him go, but… I was 12, and he had a death rattle, and I don't know if people are familiar with... It's not the worst thing in the world, but it's not pretty to listen to... And I remember my parents left, and I was just there in the room with him by myself, and our preacher at the time, she wasn't really a preacher, more of a spiritual leader, came by and we were talking, and he started having the death rattle again, and she went to get a nurse and he died. And that was my first experience with death, at such a young age, and it was... It didn't devastate me, like, "oh, I saw somebody die, now my world's over," it was just, it was kind of fascinating, but you know, it broke my heart, because it was my grandfather. So, I kind of understand that, I mean, it's an interesting process to watch someone actually leave [static] you know and that was [static] on several... AIDAN: You're breaking up... ANDREW: Yeah, turn off, your microphone's suffering from what you've done to it, it's going in and out, my friend. JONATHAN: Is it? I broke it. AIDAN: In and out! I see how it is. JONATHAN: How's that? [laughs] ANDREW: It's good. JONATHAN: So, I should keep my microphone out of my butt. Anyway... ANDREW: Let's [laughs], on the segue of Jonathan's problematic microphones, what's going on with you, Fabeku? FABEKU: Yeah, it was... it's been kind of an interesting few months, you know, it was holiday stuff, and you know, weird, I'm not, I don't love holidays anyway, but this one was a little weird. You know, my mom's getting older, and has some health stuff going on and that's been...not so great, and with that, there's some weird cognitive stuff that's starting to happen, and I think it's interesting, cause I was relating in a different way to what Aidan was talking about with... You know, it's been interesting to kind of look at that cycle of her, she's in her eighties, and, you know, kind of getting to that phase where things are becoming kind of difficult and problematic, and it's interesting, kind of watching the other people around her, and kind of their stuff that's happening with that, and you know, the kind of the... the sadness, which I get, but kind of the panic and the fear and the weirdness and that kind of thing... Had a chance to talk with her a little bit in the busyness of the holidays, just kind of where she's at, and it was interesting, like she, she mostly felt okay with things, until everybody started freaking out, and then she got kind of fucked up and worried about it, and you know, so we talked a little bit about that, kind of managing other people's shit, and you know, we talked about ancestor stuff, and it's interesting, cause she, I mean, her background couldn't be any more different than mine in some ways. She grew up in a super religious Pentecostal home and music was "of the devil" and, you know, all of that kind of stuff, so, we have pretty different philosophical takes on things, but, yeah. We, it was a good conversation, we got to talk about the ancestors and kind of crossing in a good way and being met by the ancestors and you know, I, we talked about kind of my practices with that a little bit, and I asked if she was all right with me kind of working with the ancestors to, you know, kind of do what they need to do so when it's her time, you know, it can be as smooth of a transition as possible and, you know, it's again, like this is, it's a weird conversation to have with somebody. But to me, like we've been talking about, this is why we do this work, you know, I'm all for money magic, I'm all for all of this other stuff, that's fantastic, and, you know, when there's giant life shit like this, yeah, these are the moments when I feel really super grateful that we do what we do, and we have this stuff available to us. You know for me, it, I was thinking about this a few days ago, how these practices become, at least for me, these shock absorbers. You know? It's not that it prevents shit from happening, but when it happens, it allows us to stay more oriented and more coherent than we would be otherwise, and, you know, then if that extends out to the people around us, then we can help them get or maintain a better sense of coherence and orientation, and that's a pretty remarkable thing, to me. ANDREW: I think it's such a significant point of view, right? Because so many people lose faith because they do stuff, religiously or spiritually or magically or whatever, and then some life thing comes along and they're like, “why did this not get prevented?” Right? You know? And then they falter because of that, right? You know? Like I remember, a day and a half before my second brother passed away, I was divining with the Orishas, right? And I came on this really bad sign, right? Basically, a sign of unexpected things and tragedies that shake your whole world all the way down to your foundations, right? And so, I did what I do when stuff like that shows up. I basically called all the people who are important, you know? And I knew that he was going through a hard time, and so I called him, and I was like, "dude, come to my house, come over here, you know, I know you're out doing whatever, but, like, come over here, you know, after work, come over here, I'll come pick you up, come over here," right? And he decided not to, you know? And then that, ultimately, that decision that he made led to his passing, you know? And you know, there are these flags that I think that are there that warned that something's coming, right? You know? Like, gird your loins, put on your armor, get ready, shit's going to get shaken up, but it's rarely ever as clear cut as anything else, and to me that doesn't diminish my faith in these processes, because the warnings and the advices of that reading carried me through that time in a way that I could have been, it could have been so much worse for me, without that, you know? So. Yeah. AIDAN: Yeah. It was interesting, when I went out to Athens, I took out a deck of cards that I had just got and decided I was going to take that with me, to be my thing, and I'm not a big diviner, I don't, if I do a reading a week, that's a lot for me. And, as I was moving through, whether this was on the plane, or off by myself getting dinner at some point, and there was a sum process coming up, I would ask the cards to show me what would help me. ANDREW: Hmm. AIDAN: It would give me these readings that I would interpret in some particular way, at that moment, and I would invariably be completely wrong, but having that information in my head, and expecting things to go a particular way, was like the most perfect "assistance" I could ever get, which was what I basically had asked for. I didn't say, "what's actually going on?", I said, you know, "what should I have in my head, or in my mind, going into this situation," and they would give me something, and that was an incredibly useful tool, it was very, it wasn't accurate to what events actually happened, but it was totally dead accurate to what attitude I should approach each of those situations with. And so, I do think it's very interesting, that, I talk a lot about the biggest issue with magic is our kind of limited perceptual abilities. It's like... And when we're first starting out, that can seem like we're totally disabled until you kind of figure out how it works for you, you know. But I totally see that side of it. It's becoming more able to communicate or understand communication, even if it's not perfect. FABEKU: Yeah, I think that's an interesting point. I think that, you know, I, to me, that goes along with this thing that, cause I, I do divine a lot, like that's kind of one of my things, and I think since starting that, well, since starting it and fucking up a lot and misunderstanding and misapplying things, since then, my thing has been, how do I continue to expand my bandwidth for this connection and this communication, whatever it is, particularly around blind spots, things I don't want to see, difficult news, outcomes that aren't what I want, you know, times that I've misunderstood something and then shit goes totally sideways from that, you know, how do I expand my ability to stay connected and stay in communication when those things are happening? Because to me that's when it really matters, right? I think that… AIDAN: Yeah, absolutely. FABEKU: You know, if just suddenly, if we use that bandwidth and it goes dark, what then? So, for me, it's, you know, how do we, how do we keep that capacity as full and accessible as we can, when we really need it? You know. I think that's, it's not easy, but I think that's pretty critically important work. AIDAN: Yeah. ANDREW: Yeah, that's kind of, you know, I used to do a lot of readings about life and the future and whatever, and I still do when I'm planning and stuff like that, but, like, my regular readings, which are like, maybe two or three times a week these days, are: How do I keep myself in the zone? How do I get back to the zone? How do I move out of this sort of out of sorts-ness that I'm feeling back to being centered and grounded and aligned? You know? AIDAN: Yeah! ANDREW: And that's like, essentially the question, as much as there is a question, right? That's the question, and that's always the question. It's not really about anything else or anybody else or whatever, it's like, what do I do internally, to, you know, to be in, like, full on mode today, or as close to full on mode as possible, you know? AIDAN: Mmmhmm. FABEKU: Yeah. I get that. I like that, that idea of, you know, what do I need to do to stay aligned? And I think that's the thing, I think a lot of times it does come down to asking better questions, right? Because I think probably the last significant experience I had with that, about a year and a half ago, I had surgery, and, it was supposed to be, kind of a not, I mean kind of a big deal but not a big deal, and, you know, before I did some divinations with it, a couple of people did some divinations for me, everything was fine, all good, in and out, easy peasy, don't sweat it— That's not at all how it went, right? Everything that could have gone wrong did, and then some, and it was crazy. It was, it went sideways in ways that really could have been incredibly catastrophic beyond what it was, and as I was in the hospital thinking about this, you know, I think it could have been easy to, like you said, Andrew, get pissed or kind of lose faith, that wait, I read this, and other people read this, and everything was supposed to be fine, and I almost fucking died, like what's the deal? ANDREW: Yeah. FABEKU: But instead where I landed with this is, what if I had asked different questions? What if I had asked better questions? Instead of, you know, "what's the outcome of the surgery?" but instead like you're saying, "how do I navigate this?” You know, “what do I need to do to move through this in an aligned way?" That would have been a different thing, and I think it would have been infinitely more useful to me, in that moment, than the questions that I had asked on the front end, because I was super anxious about it, and so I think that led me to asking questions that were, I think, reasonable, but probably not the smartest and most helpful questions that I could have asked. ANDREW: The "tell me it's all going to be okay" reading… FABEKU: For sure, absolutely. ANDREW: ...Is 100 percent human and like we all do it, right? Like, but yeah, there's a lot more to kind of say, than that, maybe? And, I also think though, like, you know, when you, one of the things that happens when you divine, with, like, the Orishas and stuff is, in many situations we ask if the reading is closed now, are we done, right? But we don't say, like, is this perfect? You know, we don't say whatever. We say a phrase that essentially translates to "has everything that needs to be said been said?" Right? Or "has everything that can be said been said?" Right? And it's like, that's it, right? Did we miss anything? No, we covered it all? Okay. And then beyond that, it's inherently not part of the conversation or it couldn't have been part of the conversation, you know, and that's an awkward thing to accept in the beginning for people, I think, right? FABEKU: For sure. ANDREW: They want perfection of their spirit. FABEKU: Yeah. AIDAN: I think it also sinks in, there's a, I think it's at the end of Njáls saga, there's this really incredibly graphic vision of the Valkyries as the weavers of fate, and they're weaving in bloody intestines, with like a head as the weight, and spears as the shuttle rods, and beating it with spears, and this is after this whole book of lots of really violent death. And one of the things that I got from that was that they're really saying like, you know, our obsession with fate as humans is always about the survival of the body. We try and, you know, unless we really move to somewhere else, and they were basically saying, this is all blood and guts, here in the body. This is where it goes for everybody, right? And so, I do think that that approach that both would be given that you were talking about Andrew is, it's what I'm learning with divination, is, that's where I get good help, is: “Yeah, show me the face that I would put forward to walk through this next room?” ANDREW: Yeah. AIDAN: And I get really good information that's hard to describe, but, oh, yeah, I know that guy, right? You get used to your visitors in the cards, and you go, I know that guy, I know who I am when I'm that guy, and so I can try and approach this, like...that guy. Or I can look for that woman. Like who's fulfilling that role? And then I'll listen to them. You know, it's usually, it's very frequently that the cards tell me that I should pay attention to the next thing that my wife says more than I might want to. [laughter] ANDREW: That's the challenge of living with an oracle, right? AIDAN: [laughs] Absolutely! ANDREW: Yeah. FABEKU: Well, and I think what's interesting about the conversation is that when we move to the place where we're asking questions that are beyond our own sort of vantage point or unlimited concerns, and I think we open it up to get answers that not only come from that place but that can move us past those places, right? If my focus is only, “okay, tell me everything's going to be okay,” that's a very brief and kind of limited conversation. But, “how do I navigate this?” That moves me past that, and I think it makes us available to the inside perspective, ideas, whatever it is, that we're not going to get if we're asking those questions that are more limited and kind of in the box. ANDREW: Yep. Well, and let's be honest, from the point of view of the universe, the sun going supernova is okay, right? FABEKU: [laughing] Exactly! ANDREW: It's all okay, there are other suns, there are other universes, there are other whatever... FABEKU: Right. Yeah. AIDAN: When I was going through a super rough spot, about ten years ago, my mom sent me a card that I always loved that said "everything will be okay in the end; if it's not okay, it's not the end!" [laughs] ANDREW: Yeah. AIDAN: I mean totally, like yeah, it's okay, you knew you weren't going to stay here, so what's the issue? ANDREW: Yeah. AIDAN: Mmmhmm. ANDREW: Absolutely. Well, you know, it's interesting, I mean, so, in thinking about what I might want to share about kind of what's been going on for me in the last stretch of time, it's interesting how thematic it all is, right? So, one of the big things of my last year, was my mom had surgery, she had her hip replaced back in August, and then she, three days later, fell and shattered her femur, right? And so, in December, she went home after spending four and a half or five months or whatever it was in various facilities kind of getting tuned up, you know? And, so it's been this journey of like watching her go through these things and, you know, watching her go through these things, where it's like, you know, she's no spring chicken, she's my mom, so she's got a few years on me, and it's like, this could be the end, this could be the moment, right, and kind of as we were talking about sitting with that squarely and trying to look at the real reality of these situations… So, you know, that's been going on, and then the other thing that has been sort of flowing with me a lot, is you know, Saturn and its retrogrades, and its switching into Capricorn, and all of this astrological energy that's been going on has been something that I've been really feeling intensely. You know, I mean, over the last while, for sure, being a Sagittarius, and you know, it's now left my sign and so on, but also, this transition to Capricorn, whereas other times I've been like, “aaah, I don't like you Saturn, you've fucked me a lot,” this time I was like, you know what, I was listening to, I think it was Austin Coppock and Gordon White talk about it, and he was just like, throwing out lists of things that are positive in this kind of placement stuff. And he talked about, like, the dead, and stuff, and I was like, yeah, that's really where I need to kind of sit with my energy, you know, and step more into working with that and living with that and feeling that, you know? And it's just very, it's a carry-over of all of these things we've been talking about, right? It's kind of taking ownership of my relationship with the dead and with death itself, but with the dead more so, and how foreign that is to kind of almost anybody else that I know, you know what I mean, like, even people I know who are mediums, I feel like, I feel like often it's not quite the same. You know, I was writing about it one time, a while ago, and I was like, what is a good word for the magic that comes from a deep love and devotion to the dead, and from their reciprocal love that comes from there? You know, and I don't have a good word for that, but, you know, there's just something very particular about what's going on these days. Later today, as part of kind of culminating a work that I started at that transition of Saturn into Capricorn, I'm going to sort of finish making the shrine pieces that I started consecrating then, so that I can continue to do this work and stuff, but it's very apropos of this conversation, right? This sort of life and real like life and death stuff, right? You know, and, kind of like our conversation, I might go to this work for prosperity and I might go to this work for other things, but it's really about living continuously in some form of connection and awareness of that mystery, and sort of constantly honoring that mystery, cause ultimately it's one we'll all be initiated into, but yet it can also be such a source of power and life while we're alive, too. So. AIDAN: Yeah. ANDREW: Yeah. FABEKU: Yeah, you know, as you're talking about that, it reminds me, and I feel this a lot, and I don't think I had words for it until I just heard you talk about what you did, but when I'm doing magic, especially certain kinds, again, especially work with the ancestors, there's this intimacy to it, right? It's like it feels like there's this very direct, intimate, uniquely personal at the same time kind of big and cosmic intimacy that's happening through this interface, right? It's like this direct interaction with these things that are really at the core of being human. Again sure, you know, money, sex, relationships, attraction, all of that, human, right, but if you strip all of that away, the end of it, there's life and there's death and there's love. Right? That's what's there. And when we're engaged in these practices where we're working at that foundational level, there's this incredible profound intimacy to it that I think is pretty remarkable. Yeah, and I don't think I had the words for that until I just listened to you talk, Andrew. AIDAN: That's one of those... And that's an interesting thing, I was doing work with Fabeku the last two years, where this thing, this kind of connection with the dead and communion with the dead and being a part of this structure of these, like the creatures that I, or the beings that I met, the allies, the sisters. Where the thing that happened right before Ash died was that they basically brought me into their thing, like they really are, I don't know if I have a better description, they're a collective, but I think of them as like hive beings. And, when they brought me in, the thing that was so interesting was that from their perspective, how beautiful this stuff is, that they're like, “yeah, you guys do this other thing, in between when you're dead,” but it's this transition in and out of when you're dead that has got all of this potency and all of this beauty and where you don't have all of the, this kind of weight of inculturation on you… ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: ... was how I interpreted how they were kind of running through me. And I think that that has to have been a more normal perspective that somehow, we kind of, and maybe this is just as we kind of figured out how to not lose half of the children or something, you know, and we're raising an expectation that barring something weird, you make it to a reasonable age or something. My sense is that if you're in a whatever kind of hunter-gatherer tribal thing, that vision of death has to be so different than the one that we carry now in 2017 America, and that's a bit of what I've felt has been going on with me the last couple of years as well, has been this really strong connection to this, like this is the, it's a thing I don't think I could teach much about, you know, but... ANDREW: Mmmhmm. AIDAN: ...it's the most important aspect of what I do, I think, is like... ANDREW: Yeah. AIDAN: I go into and spend time in, and they show me all these things that I genuinely have no words for, but that are really natural normal things. Yeah, it's fascinating. ANDREW: I had this dream, oh, maybe six months ago, where I was up on this high mountain range, like maybe in the Himalayas or somewhere, and I was in a graveyard, and there were these three eternal beings that were there. And I was there because, in the dream, because I wanted to be initiated into their mystery and under- and know what they know. And they basically said, “well, you've come all this way, all you have to do is give us the sacrifice, and we'll initiate you.” And then, what they asked me for was to surrender everything that I have ever known, or everything that I knew, and get rid of it. And then they would welcome me into their mysteries. And in the dream, I reached into my body and drew out this little blue box that was the sum total of all of my knowledge and knowing, and I gave it to them, or put it on the earth, and they accepted it and then proceeded into the dream further, so. I think that there are these really, places that inherently transcend our knowing, right? Or at least our knowing in a conventional sense, for sure. Well, so, we did as we usually do--oh hey! [musical entrance] AIDAN: Streaker! JEN: Hey! [laughter] JONATHAN: That felt dirty. ANDREW: So, for those people listening-- JONATHAN: Put your clothes on, Jen! ANDREW: We were chatting and joking around in the chat room about Jen streaking through our performance here, and I thought, how funny would it be, to have Jen just jump in for a minute. So, hey Jen, what's going on? JEN: Hey! FABEKU: Hey, Jen! Holy shit. JEN: Yeah... AIDAN: Awesome to see you. JEN: Good to see you guys too. ANDREW: Yeah! So, we've just been talking about death and super heavy stuff for like a long time, so what's going on, what have you got, you were going to bring a question in. JEN: Well, there was one question I had for Aidan. It started on his little request for questions, but it was about, like any advice or stories working with plant or animal allies. I see a lot of things sort of being appropriated of, you know, my spirit animal is this, my power animal is that, and it makes me wonder, like, you know, did you choose that because you happened to like that animal, or what? you know and so maybe just stories about your experiences with this way of working. AIDAN: Mmmhmm. Well I have two that are kind of relevant, and the first one is from a long time ago. And my girlfriend and I were up at Mount Shasta where many weird things have happened for me, and this was early on in my meditation practice and I was probably, I think I was 20. And it was super beautiful, we were up in the meadow up on the mountain, and I just went and found a rock out in the sun and sat down. It was sitting kind of like, this was before I could sit full lotus, so somehow crosslegged with my hands on my knees, and I'm sitting there, and I space out, and I can feel like this pull, in like two totally different directions, I've got my eyes closed, and I couldn't kind of translate what was up about this pull in two different directions and what, when I opened my eyes, I looked down, and one of my hands, and I don't remember which one any more, has like five of these big blue butterflies on it, and the other one has maybe 25 flies on it. There's like no cross-mingling. They're not doing anything. They're just hanging out. And I must have spent a half hour with them and they never switched places and nobody ever left until I was gone. And they were, all of the other butterflies that you could see were collecting all the salt and sweat off my skin, I couldn't really tell what the flies were doing. And I've never known anything other than that, it was just, this was this thing that happened. And it was one of those events that changed things, as most of the Shasta events did for me. And then, I think, I don't know, I mean, I laugh at my spirit at the kind of idea of spirit animals because my deep ties into non-asatru kind of freaky shamanic Odin stuff have me always and always have had me working with wolves and ravens. Which are like, super cool, right? And so you go, that's just bullshit, if I was viewing them as power animals. But as you know, cause you've got the book, there are these forms that I've learned over time to shift into in the trance world, and they just allow me to have different perceptions of what's going on. And so, that's my main experience with it is that I have these shapes that I can shift into, that like if I'm getting freaked out by something, if I move into the kind of raven shape, its perspective of what's going on is utterly different than mine. It doesn't have this human view, it doesn't have human concerns, and the same thing with that kind of wolf form, and this has kind of been breeding a lot in the last year or so, where, I'm not necessarily anything like a human now when I'm in the other spaces. And it just allows a lot of freedom that is lacking other times. But I don't have, yeah, the whole idea of the spirit animal thing, I don't really get that, I don't know what that is. But I think you can work with those shapes or at least I can work with those shapes. In ways that are very beneficial. ANDREW: I don't really, I mean I also don't really work with animals in that kind of way, or maybe I do and just my way of talking about it doesn't line up so that I recognize what other people are talking about as being the same but maybe it is the same. But you know for me there are these things that happen that are really significant, you know, and so I was out in the woods and this albino turkey came out of the woods. Completely white, right? And like it came out, it hung out, and we were like sort of five feet from each other and we sort of had this exchange where aside from where I was like, "holy shit, this is a really weird bird, what is going on here?", once I settled in and figured out what it was... 'Cause it was really big, right? Turkeys are not small animals, right? Especially later in the summer, right? And I was just like, oh, what's going on, and so I connected with that very intensely and then there was another time when I saw an albino porcupine and that was very intense, and then the only thing that ever sort of segues into me feeling sort of more a lasting connection with them versus sort of like a message connection is, I had this dream that everybody was freaking out because there were fishers in the woods, which are these sort of wild and ferocious animals, you know, they're known for like eating cats and other stuff and are considered fairly dangerous. They're sort of the honey badgers of our part of the world, right? JEN: [laughs] ANDREW: And in the dream, I was like, don't worry, they won't bother me, and I went out and I just sat down and this albino fisher came out of the woods and curled up in my lap and sat there and we just hung out. And then a few weeks later, somebody who knew nothing about the dream gave me a fisher skull, and so, it's one of the few skulls that I keep around to stack. But you know... AIDAN: [laughs] ANDREW: But even that became part of work that I do with another spirit, which is actually the spirit of a person who has passed on and it's sort of, there's a connection there, it's sort of an avatar of that person, as opposed to necessarily being the animal in and of itself, so. JONATHAN: I actually got my spirit animal from a-- can you guys here me now? ALL: Yeah. JONATHAN: I actually got my-- I was named, and was told at the time what my spirit animal was, by a Lakota Sioux medicine woman. So that's my lineage on that, and I've had that verified by people that didn't know me, later in life, of the total number of people that I walk with, the spirit that I walk with, and the animals that are around, so I kind of believe what she says, you know. I work with him a lot, and not really, kind of like what Aidan was saying, really ask him to do things or handle things for me that I can't, or that I don't know how to handle. Or to work with me on shapeshifting and stuff like that; however, ironically, I laughed when Aidan said wolves and ravens, 'cause I do the same thing with both wolves and ravens, is I do a lot of shapeshifting with ravens because of their perspective is higher than mine, so I can see it from a different level. And it's just fucking fun, so, that's just kind of my, that's how I've always kind of worked with animals, it wasn't really so much as they guiding me but kind of just walking together, now, just kind of living life and learning from them, 'cause they have so much information, if people can actually just do it. [laughs] Did you know that wolves can talk? [?] Oh yeah! [?] Hey my door's knocking, hold on. JEN: [laughing] Maybe it's a wolf! ALL: [laughing] JONATHAN: Probably should, tell me to get off the phone... [?] Albino porcupine, you keep your distance! JEN: Right? FABEKU: So, you know, I guess what I would add to it, I think, I get what you mean, Jon, when you're saying things get a little appropriated at times. I think really what I would say, this to me goes to the necessity to do our work and to deal with our own shit, I think in any of these practices, 'cause, I think for me, some of the pieces that feel problematic around this, they're, when I hear people talk about it, it feels very utilitarian in a way that the element of relationship seems missing, right? It's kind of like the way people would talk about a tool. Like, you know, I'm gonna do this with a hammer and I'm gonna do this with my spirit animal, and I get that, and I mean listen, people start where they start and it's fine but I think that you know, for me, it becomes problematic when we look at these things as tools or objects, right? Like for me it really is like, where's the relationship? how do I more clearly relate to them? And I feel like if we relate to them as things or tools then I think at best it's a really limited thing and at worst it's probably I think it moves us into almost working with some kind of distortion or echo of the actual thing, right, because we're not really, there's not a clear and real relationship happening, so I think the utilitarian thing is weird and I think the other element of doing the work is, you know, I think that, I know a lot of people that have come to these practices as ways of filling holes in themselves, and maybe not so consciously, so the fact that everybody seems to have an eagle as a totem, and kind of the same way that like in a past life everybody was a king or a queen or whatever the fuck. It's like yeah, probably not... JEN: Cleopatra, usually, always good! FABEKU: So I think, it's like... ANDREW: Jonathan Emmett was the one true Cleopatra, so we know that everyone else... FABEKU: That's been covered, right? But I think the thing is that if we don't deal with those gaps and those holes and that shadow and that pain and we end up filling them with things that are probably not accurate or not really there, and then we start basing a whole lot of shit on top of it, and to me that stuff becomes really problematic. So, this, really I guess my contribution would be, you know I think we just have to be conscious of and then clean up our own shit before we drag it into the practice and then start mistaking that for some kind of spiritual or magical reality that it probably is not. So. ANDREW: Yeah. And once we've built some structure up then it's really hard to knock that down. FABEKU: For sure, yeah. ANDREW: ...work at it, right? And so. But. Yeah. AIDAN: Yeah, I think that, that's kind of, to me, if you're working with kind of a spirit view and a spirit world, for me the biggest thing was to just slow the fuck down and like go, okay, if I've got somebody that's talking to me, that's good, I don't need to go hunting for sombody else and I can see, will this person talk to me about other things, or will they introduce me to other things? So even like in the, in my, the main zone that I go to when I'm doing trance work, the allies are like, the first allies that I met are like intermediaries, and they're like, there's stuff that doesn't move around and so, if you don't go to where they are, it doesn't matter how much you call to them, and so if I roll in, and I get the ally that's not being particularly helpful but that's hanging out, it's like, okay, would you like to take me somewhere else? And they're like, finally, dumbass! And then I can follow them and they'll be like, "go into the scary fucking cave," or whatever it is that's going on. And that's the , but that's about time, and depth, but I do think that there's the, or even the idea that I'm going to travel through different space and ask to meet the allies there, that might take a long time. There's a space that I go into now, that's finally opening up, and it's like, this has an animal in it, I forgot about it, and there's this big-assed elk thing, that could give a fuck and a rat's ass about me, and I show up, and it just looks annoyed, like, oh, it's you again. It's like dude, whatever, if you want to open this up a little bit, that'd be cool, and it's like, not now, later. ANDREW: Yeah. AIDAN: And that to me is the stuff that I get, we've talked about this a little bit before on here, with the four of us, is, if it's all running super smooth and like clockwork, it's probably not super real, Or, there's [inaudible] that's creating myths, 'cause to me, it's like, it just doesn't go that way! And I could be fucked up, I could just be a mess, and... JEN: Well something that motivated my question was in northern California around 2010 I went to a find your power animal workshop, which was a lot of drum trance journeys and when we went in, to find our power animals, I got buried in ivy for 15 minutes, there was nothing, and everybody was having these stories and they were like, yeah, and then this elephant took me to the bottom of the ocean, and a squirrel, and then landed on the back of a tiger, and then we had this unicorn that was in space, and it was like, uh, I was buried in an ivy, with nothing, and they're like you have a power plant! And I was like okay, power plants, and every other journey I was actually working with plant allies and not animals, and I was the only person there, and I was like, and lots of intense things were happening, but it wasn't an animal, it was like, and it surprised me, because everyone had these fantastic creatures, and it was like " I just got the plant kingdom," you know. [cross-talking] FABEKU: What I think's interseting about that, and this is when I talk about, and I talk about it more of like allies or the others, right, because I think that like, the languaging, and we were talking about this earlier in the conversation about the kind of the questions that we bring to divination, like, this is where language becomes problematic, right, because people usually talk about power animals or whatever it is, fine, but there's a million other options for allies, right? Plants, stones, weird alien creatures, that as far as I can tell aren't here, and but when I've had conversations like that with people, sometimes they act really surprised, like what do you mean, there's a plant person that you work with, or a stone person, there are animals! And it's like well, okay, AND... ANDREW: Can't go wrong with a magic space pickle! FABEKU: There we go! I claim that as my ally, the magic space pickle, right? But... ANDREW: Yep. FABEKU: I get that, I think that sometimes we create these kind of needless and unhelpful limitations that really shape our experience because of what we bring to it that okay, I'm going to go meet an ally, and they said power animal so it has to be a power animal, I think that, I don't love that, I think that that stuff gets us super sideways, so when we end up with ivy, we think, what the fuck is happening, right? Like it's somehow a problem that it's really not, so. ANDREW: Yeah. And really like, you know, what if it's burdock, or what if it's, you know, plantain, or what if it's like, some other sort of amazing magical plant that's in your neighborhood that's like the weeds that grow in the driveway in the lane weights, right? That doesn't mean that it's not profound and magical and powerful and a lot of the plants that I work with are, if they're not Afri-Cuban stuff that I'm working with for part of my religious practice, they're predominantly things that grow here or that I grow myself and you know, there's, to me there's some of the most wonderful magic is like being able to go out in my back yard here at the shop and be like, yup, a bit of this, a bit of that, pull this guy's roots, go down to the ravine, dig up a litle of this, grab this out of the swampy spot and next thing you know you've got something good, and I mean I think that there's such a, and not an origin, but there's such a cult around like, mandrake, and like all these sort of, the witch herbs, and I'm like, those don't grow here, those aren't my plants, those aren't part of my orbit, you know, and I remember not so much in recent times but like when I was getting going, kind of having some feels about some of these things that everybody else was doing and working with and I'm like, nah, I don't think so, I think I'm gonna work with the basil some more, I think that plant's really kicking it up for me, and it's like, you know, it doesn't have to be everything else either, right? And ivy's great, right? That stuff overcomes everything, right? That'll rip your bricks apart if you allow it to go too far, right? That's pretty strong. FABEKU: One of my favorite magical plants is kudzu, love it. Never met it until I moved to North Carolina, it was all over the fucking place, and I was totally taken by it. We were driving down the road and I was like, what is that? and the person that we were with was like, "Oh, fuck, it's kudzu, it's terrible, it's this," and I'm like, no, there's something to that plant, and I literally wanted to stop on the side of the road and walk over and just touch the plant to figure out what the fuck was going on. I super dig kudzu for magic stuff. Super dig it. And, I think to get to that place that you're talking about, Andrew, I think that this goes back to we have to clean up our shit, irght? Like if we don't feel like enough and we feel like it has to be big and weird and exotic and flashy, we're not gonna say, I'm working with kudzu! It's gonna have to be mandrake or you know, whatever it is, and so again, like you said, not that those aren't powerful, but if we're led there because there's coherence, cool. If we're led there because we're trying to fill a hole, and mandrake feels like an easier plug for it than dandelion, not great. Right? And I can't believe we're conna end up kind of skewed and sideways as a result of it. and, not only that, but missing some really powerful that otherwise, we could build relationships with these allies and do some pretty amazing work with them, so. AIDAN: I think that that sinks in really kind of beautifully to, yeah, it's like we're enculturated to all sorts of things, just as the nature of being social humans, and so, for some people that's, you know you know, I guess, you know that you are meant to be with the head cheerleader from the time you enter sixth grade, and you know that you are going to have this particular life, which shuts down all of these options, right? And this happens in spiritual practice all the time too. This is to me the kind of beauty of chaos magic and also where it goes horribly awry, is to me the idea of chaos magic is like, you don't have to know where this is going. You don't have to be looking at what happened in the 1800s or in the 1500s or in 900s or in the written record. If this is a natural practice, which is why I dislike the term occultism--occultism seems to me to always be kind of referencing things that are hidden, when I think most of it's like shit that we just forgot how to do. Nobody hid it. But yeah, and then there's just all of this possibility. The most powerful thing that I've been given is this weird little nine sentence charm that changes all the time, and it's peculiar, and it sounds really really witchy, but it's also so retardedly, "The Craft," or something. JEN: Oh my gosh, I want you to say it... AIDAN: I can't take it seriously, right? JEN: [laughing] AIDAN: But it does this beautiful thing, and it's like a joke, I think, from my allies, like they've given me this coded language, like this is how you get from here to here, and every time I go to do it, I'm like, this is so silly, it's like, and it's being open to this stuff, and realizing that these are language systems that we're overlaying upon experience that's not happening in the body in the normal sense, and so doesn't really exist. And so yeah, you go into the other world and you meet the space pickle, why not? Who... You don't think that that didn't happen to somebody before, just because it isn't written down? We've been here for a long fucking time, somebody has had serious relationships with the spirits before. There is no doubt. ANDREW: Lucky, lucky somebodies! JEN: Head cheerleaders! AIDAN: And it's probably Jon... ANDREW: Uh-huh. [laughter] FABEKU: When in doubt... AIDAN: Nice! [laughs] ANDREW: Cool. JEN: Well, thanks for letting me crash your party for a minute; I'll... ANDREW: Thanks for jumping in, Jen! AIDAN: That was awesome! JEN: I'll end my streak now. And let you get back to it... [?]: Whew.... JEN: See you guys later! ANDREW: See ya! AIDAN: See ya! ANDREW: All right, so we have this list of questions here; I feel like some of them we've already kind of touched on. You know, I mean, yeah. So, I guess, KJ Sassypants wants to know, what's the weirdest or wackiest thing that's ever happened to you in a magical or shamanic context? I'm afraid to ask Jon... [laughter] ANDREW: Anyone got anything that you'd like to share? We can't hear you, Jon. Jon, I see you talking, but I don't hear you. [laughter] FABEKU: While he sorts that out, yes, weird, god, where do I start, shit! So, a couple of weeks ago, I did some like hunting tracking magic stuff, right? It was very specifically like had my eyes focused on a very specific target, and -- so for me, after I do work, I'm usually paying attention to , you know, just what's happening in th world, sort of looking for omens and signs and confirmations and things-- and I was sitting at the window, with the cat, looking out, and, all of a sudden... So there's this family of hawks that lives maybe 100 yards across the street-- This was just within a couple of days of doing the magic-- All of a sudden, out of the tree, like a fucking bullet, this hawk flies out and catches some small bird mid-flight and literally rams it into the window that I'm sitting in front of and then flies off back to the tree, right, and I'm like, well, you know, as far as omens for hunting magic go, that's sort of terrifying and pretty rad at the same time, so, um yeah, it's probably not the weirdest, but the most recent bit of weirdness, that's for sure, so. ANDREW: I -- I can't hear you now. AIDAN: Try, Jon. You got it! You're good! JON: That was it? AIDAN: You're good! You got it! JON: Can you hear me now? ALL: Yeah. JON: Okay, was that the question about the paranormal, when I said could I use the paranormal reference? ANDREW: Sure! Use whatever you got! JON: Okay. So the weirdest probably thing, I was doing a reading on a house in Carthage and we've had -- hi, kitty -- we've had some instance of a pretty dark entity -- I don't like to use demonic because I think that's a bad word, and I think it's wrong -- more of just probably not ever human, type entity, anyway. So, we're doing an investigation one night, and we had a group there doing a tour, and I spotted this entity, 'cause it likes to hang out on the stairwell, and, so I'm trying to coax it down and to come talk to me, like I wanted to get it to talk-- well, it did. And pretty much threw me for a loop for about, I don't know, six months. To where I was a little bit off my rocker for about six months. And honestly, the you know I, it engulfed the upper part of my body, to where a person two foot away from me couldn't see me from the waist up. And, I still couldn't tell you what it was. I can tell you that it never was alive, I know that for a fact, I know that it was never in corporeal form of any sort, but yeah, I walked out of the house, I had to get away for a little bit, when it lifted, and I was freed from it, for lack of a better word, I walked outside, and I sat down on the ground, and I tried to ground as best I could ground, but I was not entirely in my body for at least 30 minutes there, but mentally it was a trip for probably about six months. So, it was a little bit of an interesting deal, but what brought me back into my body was kind of a funny story was, there's these big, not cedar trees, juniper trees in the front yard, they're huge, and I put my hand up on the juniper tree and an ant bit me, and that popped me back into my cells, so it was kind of an interesting, interesting ordeal. But yeah, I still couldn't tell you what that thing was. But I'd like to go back and work with it, but the last couple times I've been there, he hasn't shown up. So. ANDREW: Maybe it's following you around, Jon. JON: Boring ass-- ANDREW: What's that behind you? [laughter] JON: No, that's a cat! [laughter] Probably. ANDREW: I mean, so many things, but like, one of the things that I often do is like, if I'm doing certain kinds of cleansings for people, I'll take the tools and pieces that I've used in the cleansing, and I'll take them into the ravine system here, you know, and there are spots where I dispose of that stuff so the spirits that are there, and the earth that's there can just take that back and it can go away, and not just pass on to anybody else, and so, it was frozen, like stuff was frozen when I was there, right? And it was sort of, freezing rain and snow was coming down, and so I went down into the ravine and you know it's like this, we live in a big city, right, so it's like this lit path, and I go off of that and off into the hills and the woods around there a bit, and to the spot where I go and get rid of stuff, or one of the places, and it's all fine, I do the work, it feels fine, and I turn around to leave, and as I'm walking out, this like two dozen white moths emerged from somewhere and followed me, like they were just around me and they just emerged even though it was freezing out, and they followed me as I walked out onto the path and stuff, and they followed me along the path for a ways, before they sort of drifted back off into the woods, and it was one of those things that when they were gone I was like, did I hallucinate that? What's going on? But yeah I took it as the success of the work and the spirit of the forest kind of clearing everything away for me as I was leaving, you know, but... What have you got for us, Aidan? AIDAN: There's a few to pick from, and I'm sorting to see which one is the most acceptable. Um. Yeah, probably my third, I think it's the third kind of major initiation that I had was the summer that Ash was conceived, me and his mom stayed up at a relative of her's house on the lake. And there was a, we stayed in a bedroom that was like the guest bedroom, it was up this stairwell, and this was like a really beautifully made but kind of cabin built place on this lake in Washington State. And we were there for quite a while, but I was out paddling around in the canoe on this little lake and I don't know what i did, but I knew at the point that I did it that I had upset the lake, and this is really a little bit before I got enough into magic to be thinking this way. I had some practices I was doing, but I hadn't kind of developed any world view where this would make sense until after this event, but. In some way I knew that I had pissed off the lake and I had best get home. And t

The Hermit's Lamp Podcast - A place for witches, hermits, mystics, healers, and seekers
EP65 - Stacking Skulls with Fabeku Fatunmise, Jonathan Emmett, & Aidan Wachter

The Hermit's Lamp Podcast - A place for witches, hermits, mystics, healers, and seekers

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I'm joined by not just one guest for this week's podcast but THREE. Fabeku Fatunmise, Jonathan Emmett, Aidan Wachter and myself take an exciting journey through an array of topics like magick, starting a fake rock and roll band, and having Spongebob as your spirit guide. We do get down to business and talk about what it's like walking the magickal path as well.   If you are interested in supporting this podcast though our Patreon you can do so here. Connect with Fabeku on his facebook and listen to his previous appearance on the podcast. Connect with Jonathan here and listen to his previous appearance on the podcast. Connect with Aidan through his facebook or his website and listen to his previous appearance on the podcast. If you are interested in supporting this podcast though our Patreon you can do so here. If you want more of this in your life you can subscribe by RSS , iTunes, Stitcher, or email. Thanks for listening! If you dig this please subscribe and share with those who would like it. Andrew

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Aidan makes the delightful talismans. That is what first caught my eye and then I got to know about his approaches to magick and life and knew I needed to have him on the podcast. We talk about our journeys with structured magick, thelema, psychedelics, punk rock, and chaos magick.  You can find Aidan on Facebook here. Or on his website here.  Thanks for listening! If you dig this please subscribe and share with those who would like it.  Andrew If you are interested in booking time with Andrew either in Toronto or by phone or Skype from anywhere click here.