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On this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan Greene sits down with Ash Patel, a commercial real estate investor with more than 15 years of experience investing beyond multifamily. Ash shares how an early mixed-use deal opened his eyes to the advantages of commercial assets and ultimately reshaped his entire investing approach. The conversation explores why many commercial assets are misunderstood or overlooked, including office, retail, medical, and mixed-use properties. Ash explains how changing work patterns, suburban growth, and market cycles are creating rare opportunities to acquire high-quality commercial buildings at deep discounts, often well below replacement cost. Jonathan and Ash also dig into the mindset required to succeed in real estate, the dangers of chasing trends promoted on social media, and why newer investors may benefit from escaping overcrowded asset classes. This episode offers a grounded look at how flexibility, curiosity, and long-term thinking can open doors to less competitive—and often more resilient—investment opportunities. In this episode, you will hear: How Ash transitioned from residential and mixed-use into commercial real estate Why office, retail, and medical assets are misunderstood by many investors How market cycles create opportunities across different commercial asset classes The risks of following social-media-driven investment trends Why parking, location, and tenant mix matter more than asset labels How mindset plays a larger role than mechanics in long-term success Follow and Review If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth. Supporting Resources Connect with Ash: Website: http://www.investbeyondmultifamily.com/  Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@ashpatel_official  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ash.patel.58118  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ashpatel_official/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ash-patel-95b1a25/  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ashpatel_official  Connect with Jonathan: Website - www.streamlined.properties  YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos  Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene  Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties    Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j Bigger Pockets -  www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties  Email - info@streamlined.properties   This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

On this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan Greene sits down with Jennifer Ruelens, a longtime property manager and unapologetic truth-teller in the real estate industry. With more than two decades of hands-on experience, Jennifer shares what buy-and-hold investors often misunderstand about property management, tenant relationships, and the real work required to make rentals perform over time. The conversation explores why real estate investing is rarely passive, how deferred maintenance and avoidance cost investors far more than management fees, and why many landlords struggle when they underestimate the human side of housing. Jennifer explains how professional property management reduces risk, stabilizes assets, and helps investors focus on long-term wealth rather than short-term cash flow. Listeners will also hear a candid discussion about ego, DIY investing, family dynamics, and why many investors fail not because of bad deals, but because they avoid hard conversations and responsibility. This episode offers a grounded, experience-driven perspective on what it really takes to succeed with buy-and-hold real estate. In this episode, you will hear: Why buy-and-hold real estate is a business, not a passive investment How poor property management decisions erode long-term returns The true cost of deferred maintenance and conflict avoidance Why professional management often increases NOI despite added fees How stabilizing properties protects both tenants and investors The role of expectations, transparency, and service in tenant retention Follow and Review If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth. Supporting Resources Connect with Jen: Website: https://holditwithpmjen.com/  Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@holditwithpmjen  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HoldItwithPMJen/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/holditwithpmjen/  LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/jenniferruelens  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@holditwithpmjen  Connect with Jonathan: Website - www.streamlined.properties  YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos  Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene  Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties    Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j Bigger Pockets -  www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties  Email - info@streamlined.properties   This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

Jonathan Greene is joined by August Biniaz, co-founder and CIO of CPI Capital, to explore how early exposure to real estate shaped August's investing philosophy and led him from single-family investing into large-scale multifamily and build-to-rent strategies. August shares how his family's experience with real estate as a hedge against inflation influenced his long-term view on housing and capital preservation. The conversation dives into the realities of syndication, from learning the GP/LP structure through trial and error to building investor trust, infrastructure, and discipline over time. August explains why CPI focuses on U.S. markets like Tampa and San Antonio, how oversupply cycles create both risk and opportunity, and why patience and underwriting discipline matter more than deal volume. Jonathan and August also discuss the value of passive investing, especially for professionals who want real estate exposure without taking on a second job. August outlines how investors can think clearly about asset classes, sponsors, and alignment before committing capital, emphasizing that trust and communication are just as important as returns. In this episode, you will hear: How early family exposure to real estate can shape long-term investing instincts Why August transitioned from development into real estate private equity The differences between Canadian and U.S. multifamily investing environments How CPI evaluates Tampa and San Antonio amid oversupply and shifting demand Why being a limited partner can be the best education for future operators What passive investors should consider when choosing asset classes and sponsors Follow and Review If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth. Supporting Resources Connect with August: Website: https://cpicapital.com/  Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@realestateinvestingdemystified  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/soheil.biniaz  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/augustbiniaz/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/augustbiniaz/  Twitter: https://x.com/CPI_Capital  Connect with Jonathan: Website - www.streamlined.properties  YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos  Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene  Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties    Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j Bigger Pockets -  www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties  Email - info@streamlined.properties   This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

On this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan Greene sits down with Bob Fraser, bestselling author of Invest Like a Billionaire and CFO and Chief Macro Strategist at Aspen Funds. Bob shares how billionaire investors moved away from traditional 60/40 portfolios toward alternative investments—and why everyday investors can adopt the same mindset without billionaire-level wealth. Throughout the conversation, Bob explains why professionally managed real estate is often the most approachable entry point into alternatives, especially for investors who want exposure without taking on a second full-time job. He and Jonathan explore the differences between active and passive investing, the importance of aligned partnerships, and why many investors underestimate the operational demands of being a landlord. The discussion then dives deep into macro-driven investing, with Bob outlining why industrial real estate stands out today due to reshoring trends, logistics demand, and lower construction and operational complexity compared to multifamily. Bob also explains why fund structures can be more efficient than single-asset syndications, offering better capital deployment, diversification, and investor control—especially around taxes and liquidity. In this episode, you will hear: Why billionaires shifted away from traditional portfolios toward alternatives How everyday investors can think like billionaires without massive capital The difference between active real estate and truly passive investing Why industrial real estate is outperforming multifamily in the current cycle How fund structures can improve diversification, tax efficiency, and liquidity What macro trends Bob looks for when evaluating alternative investments Follow and Review If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth. Supporting Resources Connect with Bob: Website: http://aspenfunds.us/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/aspenfunds  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bobfraser10/  Connect with Jonathan: Website - www.streamlined.properties  YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos  Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene  Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties    Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j Bigger Pockets -  www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties  Email - info@streamlined.properties   This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

On this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan Greene sits down with Greg Trotter, CEO and founder of Commercial Building Consultants, to unpack what real estate investors often miss during commercial due diligence. With over 40 years of experience in construction, inspections, and forensic building analysis, Greg explains how his role is to act as a "bodyguard" for investors—protecting their equity by identifying real risks before they close. Greg walks through how property condition assessments should align with an investor's hold period and exit strategy, why cosmetic upgrades are often a distraction, and how overlooked systems like roofs, drainage, lift stations, and life-safety infrastructure can quietly derail deals. He also shares stories from projects across the U.S. and beyond, highlighting how climate, weather events, deferred maintenance, and operational blind spots create long-term financial consequences. Listeners will gain a deeper understanding of why transparency, conservative planning, and honest reporting matter more than optimism in underwriting—and how knowing the full story of a building can protect both operators and investors from costly surprises down the line. In this episode, you will hear: How Greg's construction background led him into commercial inspection and consulting Why due diligence must account for hold period, capex timing, and exit strategy Commonly overlooked risks like drainage, roofing, lift stations, and life-safety systems How deferred maintenance compounds into multimillion-dollar problems Why weather events, storm surge, and climate risks are changing how buildings must be evaluated The difference between cosmetic improvements and protecting long-term asset value Follow and Review If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth. Supporting Resources Connect with Greg Website: http://thecbcteam.com/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thebuildingguy/  Connect with Jonathan: Website - www.streamlined.properties  YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos  Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene  Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties    Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j Bigger Pockets -  www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties  Email - info@streamlined.properties   This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

On this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan Greene sits down with Joel Kraut, co-founder and managing director of BRRRR Loans, to explore the realities of long-term real estate investing, private lending, and sustainable financial decision-making. Drawing on decades of experience as an investor, lender, and former Wall Street trader, Joel challenges popular investing shortcuts and explains why slowing down and mastering fundamentals is often the fastest path to real wealth. The conversation dives deep into the limitations of the FIRE movement, the dangers of over-leverage, and how emotional decision-making derails otherwise solid deals. Joel shares lessons from market cycles, early BRRRR strategies, and hard-earned mistakes, emphasizing that success in real estate is far more about people, preparation, and honesty than chasing the newest strategy or acronym. Listeners will gain practical insight into what lenders actually look for in borrowers, how to present deals professionally, why organization and credit discipline matter, and how long-term relationships—not hype—drive consistent success in real estate. In this episode, you will hear: Why the FIRE movement often overlooks patience and foundational investing How Joel's early real estate and refinancing experience shaped his lending philosophy The real dangers of over-leverage and market-specific concentration risk What private lenders look for beyond credit scores and projections Why honesty, preparation, and organization matter more than clever deal structures How long-term relationships create repeat business and lasting wealth Follow and Review If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth. Supporting Resources Connect with Joel: Website: http://www.brrrr.com/  Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@BrrrrLoans  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/brrrrloans/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/brrrr_loans/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joelbrrrr/?hl=en  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joel-kraut/  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@brrrr_loans  Connect with Jonathan: Website - www.streamlined.properties  YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos  Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene  Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties    Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j Bigger Pockets -  www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties  Email - info@streamlined.properties   This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

On this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan Greene sits down with Steve Afra, a nationally recognized real estate finance expert, private lender, and co-founder of Nvestor Funding. Steve shares how growing up in New York's old-school real estate world shaped his approach to lending, underwriting, and relationships, starting with working alongside his father rehabbing HUD homes and later moving into mortgage lending at a young age. The conversation dives deep into the realities of private lending, including why defaults are rarely about fraud, how life events impact borrowers, and why the goal is always to work deals out—not take properties back. Steve explains what experienced lenders actually look for in borrowers, why presentation and honesty matter more than perfect credit, and how emotional decision-making and best-case-scenario underwriting derail otherwise viable projects. Listeners will walk away with practical insights on evaluating deals conservatively, sourcing opportunities the old-school way, building trust through relationships, and why patience, persistence, and empathy remain the most underrated advantages in real estate investing today. In this episode, you will hear: How Steve got started in real estate and lending at a young age in New York Why private lenders are not "loan-to-own" and actively avoid foreclosures What lenders really look for beyond credit scores and financials Why presentation, track record, and worst-case underwriting matter The dangers of emotional investing and best-case-scenario comps How old-school relationship building still beats technology-only strategies Follow and Review If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth. Supporting Resources Connect with Steve Website: https://thesteveafra.com/  Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@afrasteve  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/steve.afra.18  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thesteveafra  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steveafra/  Website: https://nvestorfunding.com/  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@afrasteve  Connect with Jonathan: Website - www.streamlined.properties  YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos  Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene  Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties    Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j Bigger Pockets -  www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties  Email - info@streamlined.properties   This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

On this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan Greene speaks with Spencer Hilligoss, CEO and co-founder of Madison Investing, about his journey from growing up in a real estate brokerage household to becoming a thoughtful passive investor and investing club leader. Spencer shares how a long career in Silicon Valley tech shaped his approach to risk, cash flow, and long-term financial planning, and why real estate became a critical tool for building stability beyond W-2 income. The conversation explores Spencer's transition from owning rental properties to focusing on limited partner investing, including how capacity, family priorities, and operational realities influenced that shift. Spencer breaks down how he evaluates sponsors, why track record and communication matter more than flashy projections, and what recent market cycles have reinforced about conservative underwriting and disciplined deal selection. Listeners will gain clarity on when passive investing makes sense, how to think about risk and accountability as an LP, and why education and mindset—not deal hype—are the foundation of long-term success. In this episode, you will hear: How growing up in a brokerage family influenced Spencer's investing mindset Why W-2 income alone isn't enough for long-term financial resilience The transition from owning rentals to passive LP investing How to evaluate sponsors, track record, and deal structure Why "passive" investing still requires active due diligence Lessons learned from recent market shifts and recalibrated return expectations Follow and Review If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth. Supporting Resources Connect with Spencer Website: http://www.madisoninvesting.com/  Website: http://www.spencerhilligoss.com/  Twitter: https://x.com/SpenceHilligoss  LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/shilligoss/  Connect with Jonathan: Website - www.streamlined.properties  YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos  Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene  Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties    Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j Bigger Pockets -  www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties  Email - info@streamlined.properties   This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

On this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan Greene sits down with Brian Tran, founding partner of 50 Hills, host of the Winners Club podcast, and a real estate investor with over 100 flips and a multimillion-dollar portfolio. Brian shares how his family's immigration story shaped his commitment to real estate, the early mistakes he learned from buying in tough neighborhoods, and how those lessons guided his long-term investing strategy. Brian breaks down how he balances appreciation markets like California with cash-flow markets out of state, treating his portfolio the way a financial advisor would diversify assets. He also dives into the role of wholesaling and flipping as active income engines, the importance of delaying gratification, and why mindset—not capital—is the biggest barrier for new investors. Listeners will hear practical guidance on getting started in real estate without shortcuts, why buying your first property matters more than perfect timing, and how treating real estate like a real business creates long-term freedom and stability. In this episode, you will hear: How Brian's parents' immigration journey influenced his approach to real estate Why buying in rough neighborhoods taught hard but valuable lessons How to balance appreciation and cash flow across different markets The role of wholesaling and flipping in building investable capital Why mindset and focus matter more than chasing quick wins How buying your first property creates long-term momentum Follow and Review If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth. Supporting Resources Connect with Brian Website: http://mrbriantran.com/  Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@Mr.BrianTran  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mrbriantran?lang=en  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mr.briantran/  Connect with Jonathan: Website - www.streamlined.properties  YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos  Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene  Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties    Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j Bigger Pockets -  www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties  Email - info@streamlined.properties   This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

Jonathan Greene welcomes back Katie Cline, a senior global PR and communications leader turned hospitality and short-term rental expert, to explore her evolving philosophy behind Second Home First. Katie shares the personal story that led her to buy a vacation home before a primary residence—and how that unconventional decision unlocked both financial flexibility and deeper family experiences. They discuss why renting in high-cost cities can coexist with smart real estate investing, how short-term rentals can function like a hybrid between lifestyle asset and retirement strategy, and why mindset—not money—is often the biggest barrier holding people back. Katie also explains how designing properties around personal preferences creates stronger guest experiences, better reviews, and more resilient performance across markets. The key takeaway: real estate doesn't have to follow a single, traditional path. By aligning investments with lifestyle goals, hospitality values, and intentional design, investors can build assets that generate income today while still creating meaningful memories along the way. In this episode, you will hear: What "Second Home First" really means—and why it challenges the traditional homeownership timeline How short-term rentals can provide both lifestyle benefits and long-term financial security Why renting a primary home can offer flexibility while still building wealth through real estate The importance of designing properties around your own preferences and ideal guest avatar How hospitality mindset and intentional design drive better bookings and guest experiences Why breaking from conventional investing narratives can open up more creative opportunities Follow and Review If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth. Supporting Resources Connect with Katie: Website: http://buyyoursecondhomefirst.com/  Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@SecondHomeFirst  Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/buyyoursecondhomefirst/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-home-first/  Episode 216: https://zenandtheartofrealestateinvesting.com/podcast/216/  Connect with Jonathan: Website - www.streamlined.properties  YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos  Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene  Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties    Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j Bigger Pockets -  www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties  Email - info@streamlined.properties   This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

Jonathan Greene sits down with Steph Weber, CEO of The Weber Co., to break down why short-term rental owners can't rely solely on Airbnb if they want long-term control and growth. Steph explains how direct branding protects your business from platform changes, helps guests connect emotionally to what you offer, and creates a clearer path to repeat stays and referrals. They also dig into what it actually takes to build a brand guests remember, beyond pretty photos and a few amenities. Steph shares how to define a real target audience (often starting with yourself or a past/future version of yourself), how to turn amenities into guided experiences, and why collecting guest emails is one of the simplest, most overlooked moves STR operators can make. The biggest takeaway: today's STR world isn't a side hobby—it's a hospitality business. And the operators who win are the ones who design intentionally, market consistently, and build a brand they own. In this episode, you will hear: Why direct branding matters when you don't control the platform that drives bookings How Airbnb changes can impact hosts—and why brand autonomy is the hedge What it means to create a "branded guest experience" (not just a place to sleep) How to define your avatar and design for a specific audience (not the masses) Why email lists are "low-hanging fruit" and how they power direct bookings Turning amenities into intentional rituals and guided experiences guests remember Follow and Review If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth. Supporting Resources Connect with Steph: Website: http://theweberco.com/  Instagram: http://instagram.com/theweberco  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephweberbrandcoach/  Connect with Jonathan: Website - www.streamlined.properties  YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos  Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene  Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties    Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j Bigger Pockets -  www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties  Email - info@streamlined.properties   This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

Jonathan Greene sits down with Joe Rinderknecht, multifamily investor and co-founder of Cowboy Capital, to explore how he built a real estate portfolio by staying curious, solving problems, and building long-term relationships with owners. Joe shares how he broke into multifamily with seller financing, how he used subject-to strategies to help owners avoid foreclosure, and why empathy has become foundational to his investing style. Jonathan and Joe also explore the lessons learned from managing smaller properties, scaling into larger ones, and developing the operational discipline needed to create durable performance. Throughout the conversation, Joe explains how he approached deal structure early in his career, the importance of understanding seller pain points, and how his "word is bond" philosophy continues to shape the way he raises capital and works with investors now. He also reflects on partnership dynamics, risk tolerance, and the evolution from doing everything yourself to delegating, documenting, and building systems that allow a team to grow. Listeners will walk away with a grounded reminder that momentum in real estate often comes from doing the right thing—helping people, thinking long-term, and being willing to learn from every deal, no matter the size. In this episode, you will hear: How Joe got into multifamily through seller financing and why creative structures helped him get started without traditional barriers. The subject-to foreclosure story that shaped Joe's understanding of empathy, negotiation, and long-term relationship building. Why smaller properties became Joe's training ground for learning asset management, communication, and systems. How Joe's risk tolerance shifted over time and how partnership dynamics supported that growth. The importance of documentation, checklists, and processes as a business scales. Why Joe believes relationships—not deals—are the real foundation of a sustainable real estate career. Follow and Review If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth. Supporting Resources Connect with Joe:  Website: https://cowboycapital.us/  Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@cowboycapital.us2025  Facebook: http://facebook.com/joe.rinderknecht  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joe_rinder  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joerinderknecht/  Connect with Jonathan: Website - www.streamlined.properties  YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos  Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene  Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties    Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j Bigger Pockets -  www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties  Email - info@streamlined.properties   This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

On this week's episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan Greene sits down with interior designer Marcy Sagel, founder and principal of MSA Interiors, a nationally recognized commercial design firm specializing in multifamily, senior housing, healthcare, and large-scale developments. They explore how smart design decisions can dramatically impact renter experience, tenant retention, and net operating income—often without blowing up the budget. Marcy shares the story of how a single project with a supportive architect-mentor evolved into a portfolio of large-scale multifamily and healthcare work across the country. From there, Jonathan and Marcy dive into the details that operators often overlook: how lobby art and amenities shape first impressions, why designers insist on holding the spec once materials are chosen, and how transparency around product pricing can protect both developers and residents. Marcy explains why functionality is just as important as aesthetics—things like where the sofa and TV actually fit, whether you can get a couch down the hallway, and how closet space, bathrooms, lighting, and unit layouts influence who wants to live in a building and how much they're willing to pay. They also talk about how COVID changed amenity expectations, from coworking and Zoom rooms to package rooms, cold storage for grocery delivery, pet wash stations, and creative vending concepts for residents. Marcy highlights the unique demands of healthcare and senior living design, including memory care safety, assisted living functionality, and the importance of natural light and outdoor access in driving wellness. Throughout the conversation, she comes back to one central idea: if owners think about residents first and involve a design team early, they can future-proof their properties, reduce turnover, and outcompete newer projects for years to come. In this episode, you will hear: How Marcy transitioned from residential design into large-scale multifamily, healthcare, and senior living projects with the help of an architect-mentor. Why involving an interior designer early in a project can save money, prevent costly change orders, and create a cohesive, long-lasting design. Practical ways to upgrade B-class and affordable communities—on a HUD-constrained or tight construction budget—without sacrificing aesthetics. The design details that residents care about most: closet size, bathroom finishes, in-unit laundry, lighting, circulation, and furniture-friendly layouts. How COVID reshaped amenity programming with coworking areas, Zoom rooms, package rooms, cold storage, pet amenities, and flexible vendor spaces. The role of design in building community, reducing turnover, and making residents—and their families in senior living—feel safe, connected, and at home. Follow and Review If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth.   Supporting Resources Connect with Marcy: Website: https://msainteriors.com/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/MSAInteriors  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/MarcySagel/  Connect with Jonathan: Website - www.streamlined.properties  YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos  Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene  Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties    Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j Bigger Pockets -  www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties  Email - info@streamlined.properties   This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

Jonathan Greene delivers a solo milestone Episode 300, reflecting on what real estate investors really need to succeed in 2026. Drawing on 300 episodes' worth of conversations and ten key questions generated by ChatGPT, he walks through interest rates, debt and recapitalization risk, local supply and demand, asset selection, and how to think about the next phase of the market rather than trying to predict it. He shares how he's approaching the year ahead himself—doubling down on being an "asset hunter," investing as an LP in multifamily syndications, eyeing self-storage and Main Street mixed-use, and planning to add a short-term rental in upstate New York. Along the way, Jonathan talks about meetups, possible future retreats, and long-term plans to bring real estate education to younger generations, all while emphasizing the importance of daily research in your buy box over obsessing about national headlines. Listeners will hear why mindset and mental health come before any big investment move, how to vet operators in syndications, and why diversification by geography, asset type, and vehicle can help you weather whatever 2026 brings. Jonathan closes with reflections on legacy, his parents' influence, and what it means to build a real estate portfolio that actually supports a meaningful life. In this episode, you will hear: Why Jonathan treats interest rates as just one part of the deal calculation—and why waiting for "3% again" is a losing strategy. How to focus on your local buy box, study hot sheets, and spot the path of progress instead of obsessing over national housing headlines. The asset classes and strategies he's most interested in for 2026, from multifamily syndications and short-term rentals to self-storage and Main Street mixed-use. Why your mental health, personal life stability, and partner alignment are non-negotiables before making major investment decisions. How he uses tools like ChatGPT and data to research regulations, stress-test opportunities, and build more resilient, diversified portfolios without outsourcing his judgment. Follow and Review If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth. Supporting Resources Connect with Jonathan: Website - www.streamlined.properties  YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos  Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene  Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties    Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j Bigger Pockets -  www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties  Email - info@streamlined.properties   This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

On this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan welcomes Benjamin Kanner, CEO and co-founder of 3V Infrastructure, a company focused on delivering long-term, scalable EV charging solutions for multifamily portfolios. With a background spanning commercial real estate, renewable energy project finance, and multiple startups, Ben brings a uniquely holistic view of how electrification intersects with property ownership and investor demand. His company's model—installing, owning, and operating EV chargers at no cost to property owners—creates a compelling new amenity for renters while helping owners stay ahead of rapidly shifting consumer expectations. Throughout the conversation, Ben and Jonathan discuss the accelerating adoption of electric vehicles, why multifamily properties sit at the center of this transition, and the economic forces shaping the need for reliable, long-dwell charging infrastructure. Ben explains the cost drivers behind EV ownership, how modular battery technology is evolving, and why Level 2 charging is the most practical option for home-based needs. He also breaks down how 3V underwrites utilization, diversifies risk across large portfolios, and helps property owners increase rents and tenant satisfaction—all without capital outlay. Listeners will gain a deeper understanding of how EV charging impacts NOI, what's really happening with power demand, why used EV markets will expand rapidly, and how owners can prepare their buildings for the next decade of transportation needs. Whether you're an LP, a multifamily operator, or simply curious about electrification, this episode highlights the strategic advantage of early adoption.   In this episode, you will hear: Why EV adoption has crossed a national inflection point and what that means for multifamily owners. How 3V Infrastructure finances, installs, and maintains EV chargers with no upfront cost to operators. The economics of EV ownership—including maintenance, fueling costs, and battery modularity. Why Level 2 charging is ideal for long-dwell environments like apartment communities. The role of data, utilization modeling, and EV "rent rolls" in determining charger counts. How electrification, grid demand, and infrastructure investment will shape the next decade of CRE. Follow and Review If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth. Supporting Resources Connect with Benjamin: Website: https://www.3vinfrastructure.com/  Connect with Jonathan: Website - www.streamlined.properties  YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos  Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene  Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties    Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j Bigger Pockets -  www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties  Email - info@streamlined.properties   This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.   

On this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan sits down with capital-raising expert and Managing Director of M1 Real Capital Marcin Drozdz. With a track record of raising nine figures across multiple funds and mentoring over a thousand operators through his M1 Inner Circle, Marcin brings a clear, principled perspective to building long-term investor relationships, structuring funds, and understanding how capital really moves in today's marketplace. His journey from an immigrant childhood in communist Poland to raising hundreds of millions in U.S. real estate adds valuable context to how he approaches trust, process, and scale. Throughout the conversation, Jonathan and Marcin break down the realities of capital raising across economic cycles, the importance of people-first frameworks, and how new investors should think about syndications versus funds. Marcin shares his 3P method—people, process, portfolio—and explains why most syndicators get this backwards. He also dives into how credibility is built over years, not online clips, and why understanding investor pain points is critical to positioning the right opportunities for the right individuals. Listeners will gain insight into how large fund managers think, how to evaluate deals through the lens of return of capital before return on capital, and how authentic relationship-building still drives success—even in a social media–driven world. Whether you're raising capital, investing passively, or trying to understand the current commercial cycle, this episode offers a grounded, experienced perspective. In this episode, you will hear: Marcin's 3P capital-raising framework and why people—not deals—must come first. The value of mentorship and apprenticing before raising capital on your own. How funds differ from single-asset syndications and when each structure makes sense. The importance of protecting downside risk and prioritizing return of capital. Why authentic long-term content—not hype—drives investor trust. How today's debt wall may create a unique acquisition window in multifamily. Follow and Review If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth. Supporting Resources Connect with Marcin Website: https://www.marcindrozdz.com/  Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@therealmarcindrozdz  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/realmarcindrozdz  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/realmarcindrozdz/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcindrozdz/  Special Link: https://www.marcindrozdz.ca/optin-podcastm1?utm_source=zenandtheartofrei  Connect with Jonathan: Website - www.streamlined.properties  YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos  Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene  Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties    Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j Bigger Pockets -  www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties  Email - info@streamlined.properties   This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

On this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan welcomes back multifamily investor, financial educator, and newly certified money coach Gino Barbaro. Known for his work with Jake & Gino and his educational focus on long-term wealth, Gino joins Jonathan to unpack the deeper connection between money, mindset, family values, and building a legacy. The discussion moves beyond real estate strategy into the emotional and psychological frameworks that shape financial behavior across generations. As the conversation unfolds, Jonathan and Gino explore how childhood experiences influence adult money patterns, why transparency within families matters, and how parents can introduce financial literacy without pressure or fear. Gino also breaks down his philosophy on treating households like businesses, teaching kids financial stewardship, and why thinking like your own "family office" can radically change long-term outcomes. Listeners will come away with a clearer understanding of how to build a mindful, value-driven approach to wealth that supports both personal growth and multigenerational stability. Whether you're raising kids, investing for the first time, or rethinking your relationship with money, this episode offers practical wisdom and grounded inspiration. In this episode, you will hear: How early memories form unconscious money patterns that affect adult decision-making. Why teaching kids autonomy, financial literacy, and values matters more than pushing real estate. The importance of transparency around wealth, planning, and tax strategy within families. Gino's framework for thinking like a "family office" at any net worth level. How real estate fits into long-term legacy building beyond just assets and cash flow. Why aligning values, mindset, and financial systems creates more stable generational wealth. Follow and Review If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth. Supporting Resources Connect with Gino: Website: https://barbaro360.com Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@barbaro-360 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/JoinGinosFamily  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gino-barbaro-03973b4b/    Connect with Jonathan: Website - www.streamlined.properties  YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos  Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene  Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties    Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j Bigger Pockets -  www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties  Email - info@streamlined.properties   This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

Jonathan Greene welcomes interior designer, real estate investor, and New York State licensed agent Mackenzie Grate to the show for a conversation about design-forward investing, building a rental portfolio from scratch, and choosing the right strategy for your lifestyle. Mackenzie, known as "Mac of All Trades," shares how she shifted from working as an assistant principal to becoming a full-time investor and designer, starting with her first long-term rental in Kingston and eventually expanding into short-term rentals, multifamily properties, and design consulting. Jonathan and Mackenzie explore mindset, risk tolerance, and how every investor evolves over time. Mackenzie explains why being clear about your investor identity matters, how to avoid overspending on design choices, and why community and local knowledge are essential for success. Her experience highlights the balance between creativity, practicality, and long-term planning. Listeners will learn what it truly takes to build a sustainable portfolio, from selecting the right first property to managing guest expectations and making design decisions that enhance both functionality and profitability. Mackenzie's combination of design expertise and hands-on investing experience offers thoughtful guidance for anyone looking to build a portfolio that performs. In this episode, you will hear: How Mackenzie bought her first long-term rental while working full-time in education The most common design mistakes investors make and how to avoid unnecessary spending Why knowing your investor identity should guide every strategic decision How local market knowledge and relationships support short-term rental success What realistic scaling looks like for new investors Why your first property does not need to be your dream property Follow and Review If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth. Supporting Resources Connect with Mackenzie: Website: www.moatinteriordesigns.com Instagram: @Mackofalltrades  Connect with Jonathan: Website - www.streamlined.properties  YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos  Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene  Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties    Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j Bigger Pockets -  www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties  Email - info@streamlined.properties   This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.  

Jonathan Greene sits down with Chris Grenzig, founder of JAG Property Management and JAG Capital Partners, a vertically integrated multifamily firm focused on Jacksonville and Orlando. Chris walks through his evolution from working at Toro to moving markets, taking on a 16-unit value-add deal, and learning property and construction management by doing. He and Jonathan explore what it's been like to operate through COVID, explosive rent growth, and then a sharp pullback in Florida. As the conversation unfolds, Chris breaks down how he approached that first 16-unit acquisition, the role his prior asset management experience played, and why local market knowledge became his unfair advantage. He speaks candidly about Florida's recent "perfect storm" of falling rents, rising insurance, and higher interest rates, and how those forces have impacted his portfolio and his investors. Chris and Jonathan also get tactical on out-of-state investing, the limits of BRRRR and flipping in today's environment, and the differences between property management and true asset management. Listeners will come away with a grounded understanding of what it really looks like to buy, renovate, refinance, and hold in a shifting market—and how to keep investor trust when the numbers don't go as planned. Chris's experience navigating tough cycles in Florida offers real-world lessons on conservative underwriting, staying honest with investors, and building a property management business that serves both accidental landlords and more sophisticated owners. In this episode, you will hear: How Chris transitioned from working at Toro to moving to Jacksonville and taking on his own 16-unit value-add property Why he chose to self-manage and oversee construction on a deal he'd never managed at that level before How COVID, rent drops, rising insurance, and interest rate hikes combined into a "perfect storm" for Florida multifamily Why local market knowledge and conservative underwriting matter more than ever in today's environment The realities and limitations of flipping and BRRRR strategies in higher-rate, higher-cost markets What investors should look for in a property manager—and why asset management and property management are not the same thing Follow and Review If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth. Supporting Resources Connect with Chris Grenzig: Website: https://orlandoproperty.management/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chris.grenzig Instagram: https://instagram.com/chris.grenzig LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-grenzig/ Connect with Jonathan: Website - www.streamlined.properties  YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos  Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene  Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties    Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j Bigger Pockets -  www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties  Email - info@streamlined.properties  This episode was produced by Outlier Audio. 

On this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan Greene welcomes Ari Rastegar, founder and CEO of Rastegar Capital and author of The Gift of Failure. Ari shares his journey from delivering pizzas and attending law school to building a vertically integrated real estate platform with institutional-scale developments across the country. The conversation centers on discipline, philosophy, and how setbacks became the foundation for both his personal growth and business success. Jonathan and Ari explore the mindset behind enduring market "winters," the cyclical nature of real estate, and why failure is an essential teacher. Ari discusses his approach to entitlements and master-planned communities, his prediction for one of the largest real estate booms in decades, and how technology—from robotics to 3D printing—could reshape the cost and speed of new construction. He also opens up about health, daily habits, and the quiet discipline that sustains high performance in volatile times. Listeners will take away a deeper understanding of how to balance ambition with patience, why zoning and long-term planning are undervalued edges, and what it means to invest in projects—and people—with lasting value. Ari's story is a reminder that compounding growth begins not in markets, but in the consistency of who you are when no one's watching. In this episode, you will hear: How a $3,500 land purchase in law school launched Ari's development career during the run-up to the Great Financial Crisis Why he views market "winter seasons" and failures as essential to building a resilient, multi-billion-dollar real estate platform The demographic, technological, and housing-supply forces that he believes will drive an unprecedented real estate boom over the next decade How personal development, tiny daily improvements, and emotional awareness compound into better business decisions Why zoning, entitlements, and construction innovation (including 3D-printed and robot-built housing) are critical to solving the housing shortage How Rastegar Capital structures large projects so accredited investors can co-invest alongside major institutions Follow and Review If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth. Supporting Resources Connect with Ari: Website: www.rastegarcapital.com Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@rastegarcapital Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/rastegarcapital Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rastegar/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/rastegarcapital/ Twitter: https://x.com/arirastegar Connect with Jonathan: Website - www.streamlined.properties  YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos  Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene  Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties    Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j Bigger Pockets -  www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties  Email - info@streamlined.properties  This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

On this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan Greene is joined by longtime Milwaukee investor and lender Scott Lurie. Scott is the founder and owner of F Street Investments and The Hard Money Co., with deep experience in flipping, multifamily, industrial, private equity, and property management. Together, they explore what it really takes to build durable real estate and lending businesses across multiple cycles, from early "We Buy Ugly Houses" days to large multifamily conversions and a nine-figure lending platform. Scott and Jonathan dig into why "local always wins" in real estate, how national wholesalers have damaged the reputation of the industry, and the way relationship-driven business still compounds over decades. Scott explains the economics behind converting older Residence Inn hotels into multifamily, how he thinks about replacement cost and basis, and why tax-incremental financing has been key to new development in southeastern Wisconsin. They also unpack the coming pain in overlevered Class A multifamily, the role banks will play, and how disciplined operators can navigate the next 18 months. Listeners will come away with a clearer picture of what to look for in both operators and lenders, how to think about downside protection, and why character and work ethic are still the real edge in real estate. Scott's stories from buying hundreds of units at the bottom of the Great Financial Crisis and bootstrapping his lending company offer a grounded blueprint for building something that lasts—without chasing Lamborghinis or social media fame. In this episode, you will hear: How Scott went from a zero-experience franchisee with "We Buy Ugly Houses" in 2003 to a seasoned operator with a nationwide portfolio Why he believes local investors still have a huge edge over virtual buyers and national wholesalers—and how those wholesaler models created reputational damage The business case for converting older Residence Inn hotels into apartments, and why understanding replacement cost and basis matters more than buzzwords Scott's view on overlevered Class A multifamily, rising interest rates, and the equity erosion he expects to see over the next 18 months How The Hard Money Co. underwrites borrowers (closing only 7–9% of applications) and the behaviors that separate consistently successful flippers from those who end up in foreclosure Lessons from scaling to hundreds of units and a nine-figure lending platform while keeping investors first and building a track record of on-time payments Follow and Review If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth. Supporting Resources Connect with Scott Website: fstreet.com Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@fstreet414 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/fstreetinvest/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fstreet_invest/ Website: thehardmoneyco.com Connect with Jonathan: Website - www.streamlined.properties  YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos  Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene  Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties    Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j Bigger Pockets -  www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties  Email - info@streamlined.properties   This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

Jonathan Greene sits down with self-storage investor and operator Joe Downs, CEO of Bellrose Storage Group, which sources, acquires, and manages self-storage facilities across the East and Southeast. With a background in commercial real estate, capital raising, and distressed second mortgages, Joe explains how he pivoted into self-storage after discovering just how mom-and-pop dominated and under-optimized the space really was. Their conversation explores why self-storage is still far from "too late," how technology and remote management have transformed operations, and why small, overlooked facilities under 30,000 square feet can be a goldmine for investors willing to modernize them. Joe also breaks down creative plays like boat and RV storage, industrial outdoor storage, and converting large vacant retail boxes into multi-revenue storage campuses. Listeners will come away with a grounded understanding of why self-storage is such a powerful niche, what to look for in a mom-and-pop facility, and how to avoid overpaying by underwriting expenses correctly. Joe and Jonathan also discuss the importance of relationships and "caretaker" mentality with long-time owners, the role of SBA loans, and how to keep shiny object syndrome in check while still recognizing adjacent opportunities. In this episode, you will hear: How Joe went from distressed debt and 1031 capital raising to building a self-storage platform Why self-storage is still largely mom-and-pop owned and what that means for opportunity How technology, remote management, and autopay have transformed facility operations What to look for in a first small storage acquisition and how to approach owners as a "caretaker" The importance of underwriting real expenses (marketing, tech, management) so you don't overpay Creative self-storage derivatives, including boat and RV storage, IOS, and big-box retail conversions Follow and Review If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth.   Supporting Resources Connect with Joe Downs: Website: https://belrosegrp.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/belrosestoragegroup Twitter: @downsjoe LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-downs-7990851/ Connect with Jonathan: Website - www.streamlined.properties  YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos  Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene  Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties    Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j Bigger Pockets -  www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties  Email - info@streamlined.properties    This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.   

In this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan sits down with Tim Woodbridge, co-founder of WCG Investments, to discuss how he transitioned from a healthcare career to building a portfolio of 19 mobile home parks across the Southeast. Tim shares the lessons he's learned about scaling through partnerships, managing risk with conservative underwriting, and improving communities through value-driven operations. The conversation explores his early challenges finding deals, developing trust with brokers and lenders, and learning how to take imperfect action without losing discipline. Tim explains why collaboration and follow-up matter as much as capital, what separates good due diligence from guesswork, and how his team builds sustainable systems to support investors and residents alike. This episode offers a grounded look at what it takes to grow in a niche asset class while maintaining long-term perspective, thoughtful leadership, and a genuine focus on people. In this episode, you will hear: How partnerships built on complementary strengths lead to better deals The importance of trust and transparency with brokers and lenders Common due diligence pitfalls that can derail returns Why realistic underwriting protects both operators and LPs How consistent follow-up leads to unexpected opportunities The role of community improvements in responsible investing   Follow and Review If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth.   Supporting Resources Connect with Tim Woodbridge Website: www.wcginvestments.com Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@WCGInvestments  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/wcginvestments  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tim.woodbridge/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timwoodbridge/ E-Book - https://wcginvestments.cashflowportal.com/leads/e-book    Connect with Jonathan: Website - www.streamlined.properties  YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos  Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene  Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties    Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j Bigger Pockets -  www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties  Email - info@streamlined.properties     This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.  

Jonathan welcomes Max Emory, founder of Time Capital Bookkeeping & CFO Solutions, a bookkeeping educator and active investor. Together, they explore why clean books form the foundation of every real estate business and how accurate categorization impacts both taxes and lending. Max explains what decision-ready financials allow investors to do, including timing acquisitions, managing cash flow, and avoiding costly tax surprises. He also shares why onboarding with a professional bookkeeper is intensive but worthwhile, how your bookkeeper, CPA, and attorney should collaborate, and the most common financial pitfalls he corrects for flippers, wholesalers, and landlords. Max shares his path from serving in the Marine Corps to purchasing his first duplex in Columbia, South Carolina, and scaling through clustered small multifamily properties using the BRRRR strategy. He discusses early challenges such as hiring and firing property managers, building a technology-driven team, and using neighborhood comps and appraisals to improve accuracy. He explains how commingling funds can disrupt operations and increase bookkeeping costs, how simple categorization mistakes can inflate taxable income by thousands, and how to adjust profit and loss reporting to support specific goals, whether maximizing lendability or minimizing taxes. Listeners will leave with a clear checklist for preparing to hire a professional bookkeeper, an understanding of which financial metrics matter most, and the confidence to treat bookkeeping as a strategic advantage rather than a yearly obligation. In this episode, you will hear: Why bookkeeping is the financial foundation—and how it drives tax strategy, lending, and acquisitions The most expensive mistakes Max sees (miscategorization, commingling, missing capex visibility) How to align your bookkeeper, CPA, and attorney so your entity structure helps operations A simple starter system for receipts, statements, and deal docs (even before you hire help) When and why to keep taxable income high (and when to compress it) Follow and Review If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth. Supporting Resources Connect with Max Emory Website: https://www.timecapitalbcs.com/ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@millionairebookkeeper Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/themaxemory Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/timecapitalbcs LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/millionairebookkeeper/ Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@timecapitalbcs0?lang=en Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/millionairebookkeeper/ Connect with Jonathan: Website - www.streamlined.properties YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties TikTok - www.tiktok.com/@trustgreene Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/StreamlinedReal Bigger Pockets - www.biggerpockets.com/users/TrustGreene Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties Email - info@streamlined.properties This episode was produced by Outlier Audio

On this week's episode, Jonathan welcomes Jon Wells, a real estate matchmaker, syndicator, and longtime realtor with A Better Way Realty and managing partner at Alpha Network—for a candid look at what actually builds durable wealth. Jon traces his journey from early “fix-and-flips” to higher-conviction “fix-and-holds,” and ultimately to group homes leased on commercial-style terms. He explains why patience, operator quality, and underwriting discipline matter more than shiny objects, and how aligning with the right partners turns headaches into hands-off income. As the conversation unfolds, they unpack contractor pitfalls, slim-margin flips that turn into flops and the relief of triple-net-style leases where the business, not the landlord, handles the day-to-day. Jon shares why he prefers renting large, lightly modified homes to sober-living/mental-health operators (versus carving up houses), why meeting new operators is the hardest part of this niche, and how option agreements can create shared upside. They also dive into passive vs. active choices, due-diligence checklists for syndications, and the value of investing in what you truly understand. Listeners will come away with a calmer, longer-term lens: start with who you trust, de-risk with questions that reveal how an operator thinks, and don't mistake speed for progress—especially when cash flow and sleep-at-night returns are the goal. In this episode, you will hear: Why slim margins turn flips into long, stressful holds—and how to avoid it. The group-home model Jon uses: bigger homes, egress and safety upgrades, and commercial-style leases to vetted operators. Triple-net thinking for residential assets: fewer calls, clearer responsibility, steadier income. Trust and due diligence: the questions that de-risk syndications and funds—and when “no answer” means “no deal.” Why investing in what you actually know (and who you truly trust) beats chasing neon “opportunities.” How to choose between passive and active plays based on temperament, skills, and season of life. Follow and Review If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth. Supporting Resources Connect with Jon Wells Website - www.abetterwayrealty.com Facebook -  https://www.facebook.com/jonwells69 Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jonwells5280/ Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonwellsrealtor/ Connect with Jonathan Website - www.streamlined.properties YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties TikTok - www.tiktok.com/@trustgreene Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/StreamlinedReal Bigger Pockets - www.biggerpockets.com/users/TrustGreene Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties Email - info@streamlined.properties   This episode was produced by Outlier Audio

Welcome to the Psychedelic Conversations Podcast!In this episode, we speak with Jonathan Sabbagh, co-founder and CEO of Journey Clinical, to explore his remarkable transformation from a career in finance to pioneering work in psychedelic-assisted therapy. We discuss Jonathan's personal healing journey through Ayahuasca and Ketamine therapy, which inspired him to create an accessible, therapist-centered model for delivering psychedelic care. Together, we unpack how Journey Clinical empowers licensed therapists with training, medical support, and infrastructure to safely integrate psychedelics like ketamine into mental health treatment. We also touch on the future of psychedelic medicine, regulation, education, and community building within this evolving field. Join us as we dive deep into how psychedelics are reshaping mental health care and paving the way for responsible, scalable healing in the Western world.About Jonathan:Jonathan Sabbagh is the co-founder and CEO of Journey Clinical, the world's largest platform empowering licensed therapists to deliver safe, effective psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy. Originally from Switzerland, Jonathan spent over two decades in the finance industry, where he founded and scaled two companies before experiencing severe burnout. His personal healing journey began with Ayahuasca and later Ketamine-assisted therapy, which led to a transformative recovery from depression, anxiety, and PTSD. Motivated by his own experience and a deep desire to make psychedelic care accessible, Jonathan co-founded Journey Clinical in 2021 alongside his wife during the pandemic. Under his leadership, the company has grown into a thriving ecosystem supporting thousands of therapists with medical infrastructure, education, and community resources. Jonathan's work bridges entrepreneurial innovation with compassionate mental health care, advancing the responsible integration of psychedelics into mainstream clinical practice.Connect with Jonathan:- Website: https://www.journeyclinical.com/- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathansabbagh/?hl=en- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-sabbagh-62631318/Thank you so much for joining us! Psychedelic Conversations Podcast is designed to educate, inform, and expand awareness.For more information, please head over to https://www.psychedelicconversations.comPlease share with your friends or leave a review so that we can reach more people and feel free to join us in our private Facebook group to keep the conversation going. https://www.facebook.com/groups/psychedelicconversationsThis show is for information purposes only, and is not intended to provide mental health or medical advice.About Susan Guner:Susan Guner is a holistic psychotherapist with a mindfulness-based approach grounded in Transpersonal Psychology, focusing on trauma-informed, community-centric processes that offer a broader understanding of human potential and well-being.Connect with Susan:Website: https://www.psychedelicconversations.com/Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/susan.gunerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/susan-guner/Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/susangunerTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/susangunerBlog: https://susanguner.medium.com/Podcast: https://anchor.fm/susan-guner#PsychedelicConversations #SusanGuner #JonathanSabbagh #PsychedelicPodcast #Microdosing #PsychedelicScience

NIMBY vs YIMBY? Is saying “no” to change protecting community character — or blocking the homes our cities desperately need? In this episode, we sit down with Jonathan O’Brien, lead organizer of YIMBY Melbourne, to unpack what’s at stake when communities resist — or embrace — change. We dig into whether opposing development is simply selfish or a legitimate defense of lifestyle and character, and whether YIMBY optimism sometimes overlooks practical realities. From heritage streetscapes and leafy suburbs to missing-middle density and downsizer demand, this is a frank look at the trade-offs that come with growth. Jonathan also explores the politics of planning: why local councils resist, why states override, and why those locked out of housing are the most under-represented stakeholders in the debate. We tackle sensitive questions about fairness: who pays when new homes aren’t built, and who loses when change does come? If you’ve ever wondered why housing reform feels so stuck, and why both sides of the NIMBY/YIMBY divide can be right and wrong at the same time, this episode will challenge assumptions and reframe the conversation. Episode Highlights 00:00 – Welcome 01:14 – Jonathan O'Brien's and YIMBY Melbourne 01:48 – Progress and Challenges in Melbourne's Housing Policy 03:21 – Success Stories and Comparisons with Sydney 04:44 – Docklands: A Controversial Development 07:39 – The Missing Middle and Medium Density Housing 22:06 – Balancing Heritage and Development 28:39 – Planning Regulation Challenges 30:01 – Developer Strategies and Urban Planning 31:39 – Heritage and Housing Density 32:47 – Quality Concerns in New Developments 35:07 – Zoning and Urban Planning Dynamics 38:27 – Economic and Social Impacts of Rezoning 41:53 – Balancing Development and Community Needs 50:13 – State vs. Local Control in Urban Planning 52:05 – Conclusion and Final Thoughts About the Guest Jonathan O’Brien is the lead organizer of YIMBY Melbourne, an advocate for smarter housing policy, and an award-winning writer and publisher. A passionate voice for effective altruism and urban reform, he works to shift the conversation around density, planning, and affordability toward more equitable outcomes. With a background in community organizing and a commitment to evidence-based change, Jonathan brings both sharp analysis and lived experience to the often polarizing debate between NIMBYs and YIMBYs. His mission: to help shape cities that are inclusive, adaptable, and built for the next generation. Connect with Jonathan Website: https://jonobri.com/ YIMBY Melbourne website: https://www.yimby.melbourne/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonobridotcom/ X: https://x.com/jonobri LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonobri/ Resources Visit our website: https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au If you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at: The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - questions@theelephantintheroom.com.au Looking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.au Work with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.au Looking for a Mortgage Broker? alcove.com.au Work with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.com.au Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word, and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now! Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXjP0?si=26cde394fa854765 If you enjoyed today’s podcast, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share the show! There’s more to come, so we hope to have you along with us on this journey! See you on the inside, Veronica & ChrisSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Is bigger always better? Not so fast. In this episode, I sit down with Jonathan Bennett—former hospital exec turned consultant and coach—to talk about what happens when growth leads to burnout, how boards can shift from control to connection, and why slowing down might be the smartest move your nonprofit ever makes. We explore strategy, leadership transitions, and the power of authentic relationships—in and out of the boardroom. Episode Highlights 02:16 Career Journey and Insights 07:04 Importance of Organizational Alignment 14:48 Governance and Relational Leadership 20:19 Indigenous Approaches to Meetings My guest for this episode is Jonathan Bennett. He left an executive role at a large hospital to strike out on his own, founding a management consulting firm. And, for 10 years, things were great. The company grew–became a B Corp and served hundreds of organizations. The problem was, he was unfulfilled. After a successful exit in which he went through a management buyout of his company, Jonathan founded his coaching practice so that he could fulfill his purpose to create an intimate space for leaders who need to be listened to deeply. Jonathan Bennett is an advisor and executive coach for founders, CEOs and C- Suite leaders who have a purpose in the world but need help solving their organization's toughest obstacles. Jonathan takes his experience as a CEO, board member, and founder to his coaching. As a feminist and social justice advocate, Jonathan brings a progressive approach to his work so that clients always find a way out of even the most complex challenges. He resides in Ontario, Canada with his family and two dogs. A published author, he's written seven literary books. Connect with Jonathan: Website: clearlythen.com LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/bennettjonathan/ Private Podcast: https://clearlythen.com/listen Sponsored Resource Join the Inspired Nonprofit Leadership Newsletter for weekly tips and inspiration for leading your nonprofit! Access it here >> Be sure to subscribe to Inspired Nonprofit Leadership so that you don't miss a single episode, and while you're at it, won't you take a moment to write a short review and rate our show? It would be greatly appreciated! Let us know the topics or questions you would like to hear about in a future episode. You can do that and follow us on LinkedIn.

What if the secret to creating a truly inclusive workplace wasn't found in grand policies or mission statements, but in the small, intentional actions leaders take every single day? In this episode, we're joined by Jonathan Stutz, President of Global Diversity Partners and co-author of The Daily Practices of Inclusive Leaders, to explore how simple, consistent behaviors can reshape organizational culture. Jonathan introduces the concept of "dropping inclusive pebbles"—micro actions that, over time, build environments where people feel genuinely seen, heard, and valued.Drawing from his personal experiences growing up in Atlanta during the civil rights movement, Jonathan shares a deeply personal and professional perspective on why inclusion must come before diversity. He compares inclusive workplaces to welcoming homes rather than “leaky buckets” where diverse talent slips away. Through practical strategies like hosting meaningful one-on-ones, using the "pause button" to interrupt bias in meetings, and applying the “platinum rule,” he gives leaders at every level clear, actionable tools to foster connection and safety.Jonathan's core message is simple but powerful: inclusive leadership is leadership. These aren't side practices—they're essential for building teams that perform, innovate, and stay engaged. In today's diverse world, the ability to cultivate belonging is no longer optional. Ready to lead with greater impact? Listen now and start creating your own ripple effect at inclusivepebbles.com.

Send us a textHow can rethinking local zoning laws turn small residential lots into high-yield, multi-unit housing solutions?In this episode, Jonathan Mitchell, founder of ADU Pals, a real estate developer specializing in scalable, affordable housing solutions in San Diego, shares his journey from growing up in Section 8 housing to launching a solar company and ultimately becoming a real estate developer focused on Accessory Dwelling Units (ADUs). He breaks down how ADUs in San Diego have evolved from simple backyard structures to fully stacked multi-unit developments, and why that matters in a city with soaring housing costs. They discuss how city policy, construction know-how, and personal mission converge in Jonathan's work, and what it takes to build profitably and responsibly in California.[00:01 - 06:24] Origins and IntentionsHow growing up on welfare in San Diego shaped his views on housingWhy personal definition of success centers on using time wiselyThe significance of being a positive influence on future generations[06:25 - 12:43] From Solar to StructuresHow bootstrapping a solar company led to licenses in contractingWhy learning on the job taught him about scaling and financeThe importance of understanding margins over revenue[12:44 - 18:19] Redefining the ADU ModelWhy San Diego allows stacked ADUs that resemble multifamily buildingsHow zoning bonuses are tied to affordability through AMIThe need to balance profit with policy in high-demand regions[18:20 - 24:00] Strategy, Risk, and ProcessHow they rehab properties, develop in-house, and lease while buildingThe importance of understanding entitlements, density, and financingWhat the “triple play” model means for equity, cash flow, and debt[24:01 - 31:54] Challenges, Culture, and PerspectiveThe significance of understanding local policy shiftsHow bad actors in the space affected legislationWhy consulting with experienced developers mitigates riskConnect with Jonathan:Website: www.adupals.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-mitchell-a1493410b Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathanmitchellre/LEAVE A 5-STAR REVIEW by clicking this link.WHERE CAN I LEARN MORE?Be sure to follow me on the below platforms:Subscribe to the podcast on Apple, Spotify, Google, or Stitcher.LinkedInYoutubeExclusive Facebook Groupwww.yonahweiss.comNone of this could be possible without the awesome team at Buzzsprout. They make it easy to get your show listed on every major podcast platform.Tweetable Quotes:“I don't want to waste time, man. I want to utilize the time that God has given me to be a light, to be productive.” - Jonathan Mitchell“You can build a 10-unit property under oSupport the show

Jonathan Fields, award-winning author, Webby-nominated producer, business innovator, speaker, host of one of the world's top podcasts, Good Life Project, developer of the Sparketypes, and founder/CEO of Spark Endeavors, joins me on this episode. Jonathan's been featured in The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, Inc., Forbes, FastCompany, O Magazine, and other notable media outlets.

A few years ago we had the pleasure of speaking with Jonathan Ogurchak about the success of his company STACK. Now we have invited him back to see how the business has progressed and learn about his new venture, Zeal Specialty Pharmacy.   As a pharmacist, Jonathan observed significant inefficiencies and a need to modernize processes. This set him on a course to develop and deliver better technology that would ultimately improve patient care. Today, he is a recognized serial entrepreneur, a leader in technology, and a man whose latest endeavor is centered on the delivery of medication to individuals with rare diseases.   Here are highlights of our conversation:   -An Update on STACK: The business has expanded its product offerings including a new product called On Queue, an operations workflow platform to enhance the pharmacy patient journey and capture valuable data. They now have customers in the US, Canada, Mexico, and Dubai.   -Healthcare Compliance: STACK software helps organizations manage compliance by providing easy access to regulations for different states and purposes and automating processes for accreditation, compliance, and training for pharmacies.   -Zeal's Branding Strategy: Jonathan explained the origin of the company name "Zeal" as a play on the term "zebra" in the medical community, representing rare and orphan diseases. The zebra also represents an effort to connect with patient communities through tasteful and purposeful branding.   -Advice for Founders: Finding a mentor and maintaining a network for personal and professional growth is critical for new founders. He shared his experiences as a business owner and entrepreneur, highlighting the need to foster a healthy balance between work and personal life. He shared the significance of family and prioritizing time with loved ones, as businesses and jobs can change but family remains constant.   -Building Culture:  Jonathan discussed the pharmacy's leadership development initiative, which includes a book club focused on customer service and growth. He mentioned the book "Unreasonable Hospitality" and the Disney Institute program. Jonathan also shared that he encourages team members to explore different industries for innovative ideas.         About the guest: Jonathan Ogurchak, PharmD, CSP, CPHIMS, is a specialty pharmacy veteran, having served in numerous roles across pharmacies, associations, and education for the last 15 years.   Currently, he is the CEO & Founder of STACK, a software firm with two commercially available platforms: its namesake, STACK, a pharmacy information management platform designed to curate and organize information necessary to run successful pharmacies, professional associations, and higher education institutions; and OnQueue, a workflow platform built to optimize the patient journey for pharmacies and clinics. He is also the CEO and co-founder of Zeal Specialty Pharmacy, an independent rare-disease pharmacy leveraging both the above technologies to create the best experiences possible for patients, prescribers, and pharma partners across the country.   Jonathan is an adjunct faculty through Duquesne University and the University of Pittsburgh, precepts pharmacy students virtually at 25 schools of pharmacy nationwide, focused on specialty pharmacy programs and processes, and his specialty pharmacy textbook is in pre-publication.   Connect with Jonathan: Website: https://www.managewithstack.com/ Website: https://www.zealsp.com/   Connect with Allison: Feedspot has named Disruptive CEO Nation as one of the Top 25 CEO Podcasts on the web, and it is ranked the number 6 CEO podcast to listen to in 2025! https://podcasts.feedspot.com/ceo_podcasts/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/allisonsummerschicago/ Website: https://www.disruptiveceonation.com/    #CEO #leadership #startup #founder #business #businesspodcast  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of the Model FA podcast, David DeCelle, CEO of ModelFA, interviews Jonathan Foster, President and CEO of Angeles Wealth Management, a national wealth management firm serving ultra-high-net-worth families. Angeles Wealth Management has grown from $250 million in 2017 to $2 billion in 2022. Jonathan shares his journey from Institutional Equity sales trader to founding his own firm and later joining Angeles. He discusses their unique business model, which aligns interests with clients by charging performance fees for alternative investments, leading to a 50% revenue increase in 2024. Jonathan emphasizes the importance of client selection, education, and legacy planning in their client experience.   Connect with Jonathan:   Website: https://www.angelesinvestments.com/private-wealth LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanrfoster,https://www.linkedin.com/company/angeles-investments/   About the Model FA Podcast   The Model FA podcast is a show for fiduciary financial advisors. In each episode, our host David DeCelle sits down with industry experts, strategic thinkers, and advisors to explore what it takes  to build a successful practice — and have an abundant life in the process. We believe in continuous learning, tactical advice, and strategies that work — no “gotchas” or BS. Join us to hear stories from successful financial advisors, get actionable ideas from experts, and re-discover your drive to build the practice of your dreams.    Did you like this conversation? Then leave us a rating and a review in whatever podcast player you use. We would love your feedback, and your ratings help us reach more advisors with ideas for growing their practices, attracting great clients, and achieving a better quality of life. While you are there, feel free to share your ideas about future podcast guests or topics you'd love to see covered.    Our Team: President of Model FA, David DeCelle If you like this podcast, you will love our community! Join the Model FA Community on Facebook to connect with like-minded advisors and share the day-to-day challenges and wins of running a growing financial services firm.

What does a pilot's license at 16, a career in journalism, and a passion for financial advisor marketing have in common? They're all part of Jonathan Musgrave's remarkable journey. In this episode of The Model FA Podcast, Jonathan, founder and CEO of Steep Digital Marketing, opens up about his unconventional career path and how it shaped his approach to helping financial advisors thrive. Check out these key moments: 0:01:25 - Jonathan describes his goal out of college as becoming "unemployable" 0:02:25 - Early ambition to become a pilot and get his pilot's license at age 16 0:03:25 - Jonathan shifts to journalism after the pilot market becomes flooded post-9/11 0:04:25 - First job out of college was at a wholesale company as their marketing director 0:07:25 - His transition from print to digital marketing and starting Steep Digital in 2017 0:10:25 - Challenges and lessons learned from his wholesale business experience 0:14:25 - How COVID-19 led to a shift from live events to webinars for Steep Digital 0:19:25 - The "Psychology of Retirement" film and its success in attracting audiences 0:27:25 - Effective call to action used at the film events 0:34:25 - Impact of Cameron Herold's book "Vivid Vision" on his approach to leadership and vision setting 0:41:25 - Jonathan provides information on how to connect with Steep Digital and get a free copy of the film Connect with Jonathan:   Website: https://www.steepdigital.com Email: jonathan@steepdigital.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/steep-digital-marketing  About the Model FA Podcast The Model FA podcast is a show for fiduciary financial advisors. In each episode, our host David DeCelle sits down with industry experts, strategic thinkers, and advisors to explore what it takes  to build a successful practice — and have an abundant life in the process. We believe in continuous learning, tactical advice, and strategies that work — no “gotchas” or BS. Join us to hear stories from successful financial advisors, get actionable ideas from experts, and re-discover your drive to build the practice of your dreams. Did you like this conversation? Then leave us a rating and a review in whatever podcast player you use. We would love your feedback, and your ratings help us reach more advisors with ideas for growing their practices, attracting great clients, and achieving a better quality of life. While you are there, feel free to share your ideas about future podcast guests or topics you'd love to see covered. Our Team: President of Model FA, David DeCelle   If you like this podcast, you will love our community! Join the Model FA Community on Facebook to connect with like-minded advisors and share the day-to-day challenges and wins of running a growing financial services firm.

In this episode, Genea and Jonathan Stanley, an entrepreneur and author, explore the critical role of purpose in business success. We dive deep into why understanding your purpose can solve numerous business challenges, improve employee engagement, and build a resilient company culture.  Jonathan shares his journey from founding a globally impactful company to becoming a business strategy consultant. Learn actionable insights on defining core values, creating an inclusive work environment, and the power of authenticity.    Don't miss this episode if you're looking to transform your business from just making profits to making a real impact. Tune in for valuable strategies and inspiration!   Connect with Genea: [free guide] Grow Your Business and Love Doing it with the 3 secrets the business gurus NEVER talk about: http://bethewolfgift.com/ Website: http://bethewolfnow.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/geneabarnes/    Connect with Jonathan: Website: https://www.simplestrategicplans.com/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wjonathanstanley/  Get Jonathan's Book, Purposeful Performance - the secret mix of connecting, leading, and succeeding: https://www.amazon.com/Purposeful-Performance-Connecting-Leading-Succeeding/dp/B0D8K3QLYZ/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1JCUNKLE4LN1U&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.XI5ymjAitfnq4xpPPmlYYw._0lshRrwvaWMOl1Q4ifOsq1KXZJQbjIcQgBNAuw2RVg&dib_tag=se&keywords=purposeful+performance+jonathan+stanley&qid=1730464129&sprefix=purposeful+per%2Caps%2C149&sr=8-1   About Jonathan: Jonathan Stanley is a renowned entrepreneur and business strategist with a rich background in global business development, particularly in immersive storytelling. As a founder and CEO, he grew his start-up into an international brand, earning accolades like Small Business of the Year. His leadership philosophy emphasizes purpose-driven strategies and authentic leadership. Based in Duryea, Pennsylvania, Jonathan continues to influence through consulting, coaching, public speaking, and volunteering, where he shares insights to help small businesses and start-ups achieve growth and influential results.   00:00 Growing Up in an Entrepreneurial Family 02:11 Introduction to Be the Wolf Podcast 02:56 Jonathan Stanley's Entrepreneurial Journey 03:51 The Importance of Purpose in Business 06:24 Challenges and Benefits of Purpose-Driven Companies 12:51 Personal Stories and Lessons Learned 36:09 The Power of Core Values 49:15 Final Thoughts and Contact Information

Join us for this Episode on the Hidden Gateway Podcast, where we chat with Jonathan Dent!Jonathan is an Astrologer, Numerologist, Reiki Practitioner, Meditation Coach, and Abôrisà.He received his MFA in Acting from NYU Tisch School of the Arts in 2015.  After graduating, he began giving consultations as part-time work and developed a deep love and passion for Astrology and Numerology. His purpose is to hold space for seekers and spiritual people. In this episode, we discuss his journey and how it led him to discover his purpose in helping humanity. We also discuss how astrology and numerology can guide you in making decisions to bring forth self-evolution and spiritual growth.Don't miss this BANGER!!!Connect with Jonathan:Website: https://www.jonathanldent.com/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jldent/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathanldent/?hl=en....#motivation #motivationalquotes #motivational #motivationmonday #motivationalquote #MotivationalSpeaker #motivationalmonday #motivations #motivationquotes #motivationquote #motivationalwords #MotivationMafia #motivationalpost #motivationdaily #motivationforfitness #motivationmondays #motivationalfitness #motivationgym #motivation101 #motivationalquoteoftheday #motivationoftheday #MotivationFitness #motivationalspeakers #motivationmusic #motivationalmondays #motivationiskey #motivationtuesday #motivationalquotesoftheday #motivationalspeaking #motivationforlife --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thehiddengateway/support

Let's get your High Performance Leadership Training scheduled today! Reach out to me darrin@roadtoawesome.net to set up the conversation and get your team on the Road to Awesome for the upcoming year!Book Darrin to speak at your school or conference contact us hereGrab your copy of Darrin's FREE e-book Walk in Your Purpose Check out Darrin's blog for great leadership tips and ideasSign up for the Road to Awesome email list and newsletterHave a book idea you'd like to submit to Road to Awesome? Click hereAnd now...about our guest this week on the show:Jonathan Alsheimer is the unorthodox, energetic, and entertaining teacher who refuses to live a life of limitations and works with UFC Fighters, Celebrities, and Clothing Brands. In addition to being a passionate educator, Jonathan is an international keynote speaker and the best-selling author of "NEXT LEVEL TEACHING.”Jonathan, taught at the world-renowned Fred Lynn Middle School, which was featured in two documentaries "Relentless" and "Relentless: Chasing Accreditation,” as the teacher who forged a partnership with UFC Fighter and light-weight contender Paul Felder to bring a message of never giving up, fighting for their education, and empowering the students to believe in themselves, all principles that Jonathan promotes in his classroom. Jonathan Alsheimer also partnered with Fear the Fighter, MMA clothing brand to establish a stop-bullying campaign. Jonathan Alsheimer didn't stop there and established a relationship with "Drama,” MTV reality star and CEO of Young and Reckless to promote and build student leaders in his school.Jonathan, an educator in northern Virginia, has been featured on USA Channel 9 and NBC News for establishing a national give-back movement called “A Rae of Hope,” started in his classroom to help pediatric patients in hospitals, which has now grown and been implemented in schools and classrooms across the nation. As Jonathan always says, "Game-changing is not a cliche motto; it is a way of life... some talk about it while others live by it!Connect with Jonathan:Website: https://www.jonathanalsheimer.com/Social Media: Twitter, Instagram, YouTubeSchool of Engagement on AmazonCatch Jonathan's first time on Leaning into Leadership here

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In today's episode of Good Authority, Jonathan sits down with heavy-weight boxer and author of the Stoic Street Smarts newsletter, Ed Latimore. They discuss the importance of facing challenges and difficult moments in personal growth and how important it is not to avoid difficult situations. Ed also discusses the importance of embracing uncertainty, resilience, and authenticity in navigating life's uncertainties. Toward the end of their conversation, you'll hear Ed highlight the dangers of blindly following authority without questioning or understanding the underlying reasons. This theme ties perfectly into Jonathan's pursuit of self-authority as described in his book. Key takeaways for this episode are how you can use critical thinking, adversity, and self-discovery to create a more fulfilling life. Connect with Ed: https://edlatimore.com/ Continue the conversation with Jonathan: Website: ⁠⁠⁠www.jonathanraymond.com⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Try Refound's AI Coaching Platform: ⁠⁠refound.com⁠⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanrefound⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠www.instagram.com/jonathanrefound⁠

  In today's episode, Jonathan explores the three credentials of giving good advice: Relevant Experience: Emphasizing the importance of direct, hands-on involvement in situations akin to those the advice-seeker is facing, it's noted that real-life, practical experience in a specific area not only lends credibility but also deepens the impact of the advice given. For example, a parent who has firsthand experience in raising children is well-equipped to offer substantive advice on parenting. Professional Expertise and Knowledge: This credential focuses on theoretical knowledge and professional training. Advice in this category stems from formal education and continuous learning within a particular field. For instance, someone with a background in law school has a robust theoretical understanding of legal issues, which complements their practical insights and enables them to deliver comprehensive advice. Emotional Intelligence and Intuition: The ability to effectively read situations and people through emotional intelligence, offering advice that is empathetic and resonates deeply, is critical. This skill is crucial for grasping not only the factual aspects of a scenario but also the emotional dynamics that could affect the outcome. This type of advice, which relies on an intuitive understanding of people and contexts, is often the most overlooked and challenging to master. Tune in to the full episode to understand the full impact of these three prerequisites for good advice, particularly how the third type—emotional intelligence and intuition—is commonly underestimated yet critical. Continue the conversation with Jonathan: Website: ⁠⁠⁠www.jonathanraymond.com⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Try Refound's AI Coaching Platform: ⁠⁠refound.com⁠⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanrefound⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠www.instagram.com/jonathanrefound⁠

In today's episode of Good Authority, Jonathan sits down with Silicon Valley legend Hiten Shah, founder of KISSmetrics, CrazyEgg, and host of The Hiten Show. Hiten discusses his unique approach to giving advice, emphasizing the importance of truly serving those he helps and his penchant for empathy over ego. He shares insights on the irony of advice-giving—people seek wisdom from those with experience, yet often lack sufficient context themselves. Throughout the episode, Jonathan reflects on his own journey toward becoming a more empathetic and effective advisor, highlighting the challenges of advising tech executives and the delicate balance of influence in coaching. They delve into the nuances of trust-building and the high stakes of making tough decisions, wrapping up with a discussion on the crucial role of self-awareness and clarity in leadership and communication. Key insights that you'll want to pay attention to are the interplay between experience and advice, the critical nature of trust in professional relationships, and the personal growth necessary for impactful leadership.   Connect with Hiten: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hnshah/ https://www.hiten.show/   Continue the conversation with Jonathan: Website: ⁠⁠⁠www.jonathanraymond.com⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Try Refound's AI Coaching Platform: ⁠⁠refound.com⁠⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanrefound⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠www.instagram.com/jonathanrefound⁠

Our guest this episode is Jonathan Marion. Dr. Jonathan Marion believes that when we LIVE, CONNECT, & COMMUNICATE authentically, we send out ripples…. which send out ripples…which make the world a more caring and connected place, one ripple at a time. Don't you just love that belief? Jonathan grew up in the Boston Massachusetts area and then, after doing his undergraduate studies in California began to travel to several countries. He came back to the U.S. and attended UC San Diego where he received his Master's degree and his PHD. He will tell us about that. After learning a bit of Jonathan's history he and I begin talking about his career and, specifically, why he left academia after 20 years to begin a fulltime coaching, consulting and speaking career. He and I discuss much about the kind of coaching he does and we talk about a number of lessons he gives that I think will benefit all of us. I hope you agree. In addition to his other accomplishments Jonathan is an author. He also has a keen interest in dance. In fact, we found him in Portugal preparing for a dance festival and contest. Jonathan offers many life thoughts and lessons during our hour together. I think you will find his discussion and thoughts down to Earth and useful. Please let me know your thoughts. About the Guest: Dr. Jonathan Marion believes that when we LIVE, CONNECT, & COMMUNICATE authentically, we send out ripples…. which send out ripples…which make the world a more caring and connected place, one ripple at a time. Having seen this dynamic over 20+ years as an award-winning cultural anthropology professor and author, Jonathan feels that how we show up is the key to living deeply meaningful and fulfilling lives – and now works as a transformational life coach, consultant, and speaker to be a catalyst for exactly such transformations. Jonathan is passionate about supporting clients and audiences in transcending external accomplishments as measures of success to live truly aligned, rewarding, and meaningful lives. As a coach, consultant, and speaker, Jonathan draws on decades of experience teaching classes such as "Culture & Medicine" and "Body & Identity" to diverse audiences, has presented on "Coaching Beyond DEI" for the Fellows at the Institute of Coaching at McLean Hospital, Harvard Medical School, and is trained in Emotional Intelligence, Group Coaching, Positive Psychology Coaching, Clear Beliefs Coaching, and Body-oriented Coaching. Overlapping his coaching and academic work in powerful and unexpected ways, Jonathan is also passionate about and has worked as a photographer and partnered dance instructor, now primarily focusing on Brazilian zouk. Ways to connect with Dr.Jonathan : Website: https://stepsalongtheway.global LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-s-marion/ About the Host: Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog. Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards. https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/ accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/ https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/ Thanks for listening! Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it using the social media buttons on this page. Do you have some feedback or questions about this episode? Leave a comment in the section below! Subscribe to the podcast If you would like to get automatic updates of new podcast episodes, you can subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts or Stitcher. You can also subscribe in your favorite podcast app. Leave us an Apple Podcasts review Ratings and reviews from our listeners are extremely valuable to us and greatly appreciated. They help our podcast rank higher on Apple Podcasts, which exposes our show to more awesome listeners like you. If you have a minute, please leave an honest review on Apple Podcasts. Transcription Notes: Michael Hingson ** 00:00 Access Cast and accessiBe Initiative presents Unstoppable Mindset. The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.   Michael Hingson ** 01:21 Hi there, and welcome to another episode of unstoppable mindset. Glad you're with us really appreciate you taking the time to listen, hope you enjoy what you hear. And if you do, please give us a five star rating. And I'd love to hear your thoughts about it. Dr. Jonathan Marion believes that when we live, connect and communicate authentically, we send out ripples, which send out ripples. And that makes the world a better and more caring and connected place one ripple at a time, which is an interesting concept. And I can buy that. I've always believed that we plant seeds, but whether it's seeds or ripples, that amounts to somewhat the same thing. And the idea is you you never know what's going to happen from what you do. But when you're doing it in a caring and connected and authentic way, it's got to be a positive thing. And that helps make the world a better place. And Jonathan was a cultural anthropologist and still is trained as a cultural anthropologist. He's now a life coach. And he's also a guest here on unstoppable mindset. If you haven't guessed. So Jonathan, welcome to unstoppable mindset. We're glad you're here.   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 02:28 Thank you so much, Michael. It's a pleasure to be here.   Michael Hingson ** 02:31 Well, lots obviously to think about and talk about, and we'll get to a lot of it. But I'd like to start with what I always think is kind of fun. Tell us about the early Jonathan, you know, growing up in some of those things that kind of led you a little bit to where you are or where you started, or whatever.   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 02:47 You're, I had grown up just outside of Boston, Massachusetts, and sort of had one parent who was religiously observant, one who was more secular. And so I've sort of always lived somewhat in two different worlds. And I think that really set me up to then later on, as I went into academia, always be interested in social sciences. And just what did people think about and do the same and why and what did people think about and do differently and why. And then, after undergrad, I spent some time traveling, overseas, volunteered on a communal farm in Israel, traveled to several other countries. And when I got back to the States, and was starting to apply to different graduate programs, I ended up applying to eight schools. But after the fact, I realized it was an eight different disciplines and decided I needed a big umbrella. And that's where cultural anthropology came in. And it seemed like the biggest umbrella to me. And always having that sort of living in two worlds insider and outsider perspective, really took me down that track of becoming a cultural anthropologist. And so where did you do your undergrad work? My undergrad was at the University of Redlands in California, and I doubled majored in psychology and political philosophy at the time.   Michael Hingson ** 04:14 Cool. Well, you were in a place that had pretty decent climate overall.   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 04:22 Absolutely, I'm a sun worshiper and was happy to get out of New England as nice as it is culturally, weather wise Southern California suited me much better   Michael Hingson ** 04:32 it is I hear you living here having lived in winter mass for three years and spent a good amount of time in the Massachusetts area. Love it, appreciated the snow and then later I lived in New Jersey of course also but I like the the weather of California course. I'm still convinced that the best weather in the country of San Diego but everybody likes what they like.   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 04:55 I have to agree with you about San Diego and that's actually where I did both My masters and my PhD was at UC San Diego law. They're in La Jolla. Yep, you got it. Yeah.   Michael Hingson ** 05:06 Which is a wonderful place to be. So you got your PhD in cultural anthropology when you've settled on your umbrella and discipline, which is pretty cool. And then what did you do?   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 05:20 Yeah, so specifically, the PhD was a subfield of cultural anthropology with psychological anthropology. So that permeable border between personality and culture. And for about six years after that, I was working as contingent faculty teaching part time at multiple campuses in the San Diego area. And then a lot of my work ended up in the field of visual anthropology. So both studying visual phenomena and culture, everything from architecture to performances, but then also the use of visual media to convey understandings that weren't amenable to words alone, and got hired as a visual anthropologist at the University of Arkansas, where I worked for over a decade before resigning from academia at the end of 22. Well, Arkansas   Michael Hingson ** 06:11 is quite the distance away from Southern California, different different weather,   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 06:17 different climates and multiple ways. Yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 06:20 well, that's true. That is true. Definitely different climates and multiple ways. Well, so you decided in 2022, to leave academia? Why did you decide that?   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 06:32 Yes, so the decision actually started back in 2019, it was the end of 22. When I actually resigned, I was for the first half of 2019, in Brazil, doing research on sabbatical. And one of my best friends who lives in Rio de Janeiro, I was staying at his house, and very generously, my friend Toronto gave me you know, a small bedroom to use while I was there. And I was sitting in his living room one day, and it's not one of the touristy parts of Rio, it's one of the areas where only, you know, local people live. And I realized I was living in a bedroom that was smaller than my closet at home. But I felt more at home. And I started to ask myself, What was that about? And I realized that my very good friends in Brazil knew what I did professionally. And they were proud of me, they were proud for me. But they didn't really care. They loved me as Jonathan. And that was a type of connection and interpersonal warmth, that I was never going to get as long as I was in an arena where it was all about external accomplishments and achievements. And that's what had me realized that I needed to start exploring other options outside of academia.   Michael Hingson ** 07:54 What was the significance of the small bedroom? Why did you feel comfortable? There? Are why was that significant?   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 08:02 Yeah, so it was just on its own, it didn't mean anything to me, I've traveled, you know, off and on throughout most of my life. And sometimes you have a big place, sometimes a little place. But it was just recognizing that it wasn't about the external measure, it was, this is a very small, humble bedroom, that smaller than the closet of my master suite at my own house. And yet, I feel more at home in this small space. But because of the quality of the relationships, it wasn't about the space, it was about the place that was made by the relationships that were there.   Michael Hingson ** 08:37 Make sense? And then, of course, surrounding yourself, or having the opportunity to be surrounded by people who really care about you, who value you has to be something that's extremely positive and brings a lot of joy and a lot of comfort in a lot of ways.   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 08:57 Absolutely. And it was part of the thinking then of, you know, what are the options, I have to live in a way where that's what's prioritized, and not the you know, sort of publish or perish paradigm? Yeah, in academia in a tenure track position with tenure by that point. And I didn't want to be living in a setting where it was just about what are your latest, you know, publications and presentations, and funding, and just those external measures of worth?   Michael Hingson ** 09:35 Yeah. And it's so unfortunate that we put so much emphasis on a lot of those things. It goes beyond just academia and so on. I know many people who talk about companies and talk about the businesses they were in I actually had a chance recently to talk to a man who is was a hotelier for 25 years. And he talks now about the time of the pandemic, and what has happened to hotels and the travel and tourist industry since then. And he said, it's gotten very cold, people don't value things the same way. It's all about how much money are we pulling in. And that's all there is to it, rather than necessarily putting as much emphasis on the guest as we used to, or even more important, putting as much emphasis on the employees as we used to. So he's actually creating a new structure, that he wants to start in the hotel industry, that would create an environment where the employees, assuming a particular hotel, under this umbrella would would profit that the employee should get part of the profits. And so he wants to institute a profit sharing thing, just kind of amazed me that I hadn't ever heard of that in the hotel industry as such before, don't know whether it ever was there. But his point was, people are going to be a lot more fun, people are going to be a lot more joyous and make guests feel more welcome. If they're feeling welcome and a part of what they're doing.   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 11:12 Absolutely, it's the basic idea of you know, if people are proud of what they do happy about what they do invest in what they do. For them, it's employment, but they're the ones who are actually providing the experience directly to the guests.   Michael Hingson ** 11:29 Yeah, I mean, it's a job, yes, it's a job. But it can either be a fun job and a job you like, or it's just a job that brings in money, which means that you're not putting the same amount of commitment and, and joy and love into it. Absolutely, which is, you know, something that makes a lot of sense to understand. Well, so you decided to take the plunge and leave academia and do what?   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 11:57 So I thought about it. And at least in the model in the United States, as a tenured faculty member, 40% of your job is research. And it was like, okay, I'm good at academic research and publishing, but I don't love it. So I don't want to do that. 20% is professional service. So professional leadership. And you know, I've been President of national organizations good at it, but I don't love it. And 40% is teaching. Within that, though, so much of it is following the sort of top down assigned learning outcomes and things like that. And the part of teaching that I always loved was the informal parts, the 15 minutes before or after class where students had their own questions about how different ideas we were talking about applied in their lives, or to circumstances they had heard about, or working with my graduate students, my MA and my PhD students, where I don't run a lab, it's not about you're doing a sub project of mine, it's, I'm helping you figure out what are your questions, and how you're going to find answers for yourself to your own questions. And the more I thought about that, that was life coaching. So I've ended up shifting over into the space of transformational life coaching, consulting and speaking as a result.   Michael Hingson ** 13:23 You know, I've been in sales. Basically, most all of my adult life, I learned a lot about sales from a Dale Carnegie sales course that I needed to take, because I had been given a choice of leaving a company from doing non sales type stuff, either leaving the company or going into sales, and, as a result, wanting to learn about it. And what I learned is that the best salespeople really are teachers. And what that means is that they love what they do, but they also know that they have to oftentimes teach customers, what they're selling, and why they're selling it. And even analyze, does that product work for you, and also having the courage oftentimes to be honest enough to say, that won't work, or this is, why it will or whatever. And I find that to be the most rewarding thing that I've ever been able to do in sales. And of course, since September 11, now I get to sell life and philosophy. So it still amounts to the same thing, but now selling the concepts from the other side, but I hear exactly what you're saying about teaching and the real important parts of teaching and we, we put so many stringent requirements that don't really add a lot of value, that it makes it a lot more difficult. One of the things that I've learned as a manager is my best job as a manager is not to boss somebody around, but rather how can I add value to make sure that You are being as successful as you can be. And we have to figure out ways to work together. And I found that the salespeople who really got that concept, were very successful because we've had off each other, we worked together, I added value to what they did, the people who didn't get it, and who wouldn't be open to maybe looking at doing some things differently that might have enhanced them didn't succeed nearly as well. And again, it's all about teaching.   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 15:25 Makes total sense to me. So   Michael Hingson ** 15:27 it was, it was a lot of fun to do. So you've just been doing coaching for this year, basically,   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 15:35 I had actually started doing it within the last few years of being in academia, it was just that I was also still working as an academic through the end of 22. And so now full time, I'm doing the coaching and consulting and speaking on related topics.   Michael Hingson ** 15:57 Where's home for you now?   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 15:59 Actually, since beginning of 21, no beginning of 20. Yeah, beginning of 22. Sorry, I've been a full time nomad. Okay. So I, because I'm now doing the coaching and not the academics, I don't have to be in one location. And so taking advantage of that to get to travel a lot more, especially as I'd mentioned before that in the first half of 22, I'd been down in Brazil, doing research. And also part of my research was on the dance form of Brazilian Zouk. But then, in November of 2019, I'd had a bad spinal injury and nerve damage. And for five weeks, I couldn't even roll over on a side. I mean, I was close to paralyzed. And I was just starting to walk unassisted again when the pandemic hit. And so as someone who used to always travel and used to be very involved in movement, once I had the opportunity to not be tied down to the location of the university, I've really been traveling a lot to get back into dancing and training and just interacting with people in different places. And a way that I wasn't able to when I was linked to a job that was very location based.   Michael Hingson ** 17:21 So you don't really have a formal house or anything at this point. Nope, have   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 17:26 nots. In almost two years right now, I will actually be aiming to return to having a home base somewhere, probably in the second quarter of 24. And looking to relocate my home base actually over to Portugal.   Michael Hingson ** 17:47 Not Santiago, but that's okay. Yeah, but   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 17:50 if you look at, you know, geographic parallels southern Portugal, the Algarve is basically the San Diego region of the European continent. So that works for me.   Michael Hingson ** 18:03 I've not been to Portugal, I've been to Spain, but not to Portugal. But I understand what you're saying. But I love San Diego still so much. I, I was a nomad a little bit for a job back in 1976, because I was hired to work with the National Federation of the Blind and Ray Kurzweil and developing a reading machine for the blind. And literally, I lived out of suitcases in hotels for 18 months to work at various sites. So I'm familiar with the concept. I think that doesn't work for me as much. Now I like to be in one spot. And I think for me, probably a good thing with all the things going on. And the fact that the pandemic is still around, it's good to be able to lock down in a comfortable place. But again, that's me. And that's now a long time later from what I did before. But I uproot, but I appreciate the fun and the value of   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 18:59 it. Yeah, absolutely. And I think there's part of me that again, it's probably linked to the cultural anthropology, like I do, like just encountering people where they live and I don't love doing the travel version, where I just hit tourist sites, I like to actually, you know, sort of situate myself where local people live and spend, you know, a couple of weeks there and just really get the feel of what is life like here and that just I find that very interesting and enriching, rewarding to just start to understand what it's like for people in different locations. And what did people still think about and do in similar ways and what in different ways, and that they all make sense.   Michael Hingson ** 19:45 As a public speaker, I have always enjoyed times when I could interact with people, not just who set up an event but really talk with the people in the area where the events taking place. And again, not the tourist as you point out, but the people who live there. And I've learned to value, for example, every part of this country, because I find that if you're friendly to people, again, going back to the ripple concept, if you connect in our friendly, I find that people are in fact, once I spent time in New York over several months, a number of times, and I was it was back when 42nd street and all the area around times square wasn't as nice as it is today. And people would say to me, aren't you worried about being outside? And I go, why? Uh, well, you know, there are some not nice people, I said, Well, only if you don't treat them nicely. And I found that I personally was able to get along with everyone. I never did get up to Harlem and spend time there, although I still would like to do that. But I've been to some pretty rough areas, and I find that people aren't going to bother you and be obnoxious to you, if you don't bother them or not obnoxious to them. And if you treat them well, they're going to treat you well. I've always believe that.   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 21:12 I think you know, in general, that's so true in general. Yeah, no, I mean, obviously, everywhere, there are exceptions, as a way of going about things that makes so much sense to me. And just going back to that ripples idea. So many of us have heard of ROI, as you know, return on investment, the version that I heard that's always resonated for me is ripples of impact. So whatever I'm doing, however, I'm showing up, I'm looking for ripples of impact. And with that idea of, you know, it then impacts other people and who knows what ripples they then send out and how that impacts other people. And that's why I think that's so important for creating a more caring and connected world.   Michael Hingson ** 21:59 And it is about caring, and showing that you care. And showing that you care is an enlarged part of how you treat people and how you act and react around people. It isn't something where you got to show great care by giving a Contribution to somebody for $1,000 or something, it really still gets down to basically connection, doesn't it? Absolutely. Yeah. And I think that makes a lot more sense. So what do you do now? In terms of your job as a transformational life coach and consultant? And what do you speak about? Probably all related?   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 22:36 Yep, absolutely. I primarily work with professionals who are accomplished by external measures, but find themselves wanting to live connect and communicate more authentically, in order to live more meaningful and fulfilling lives. And this really goes back to that idea that how we show up matters, and whether as individuals or as groups, communities, organizations, and so now I do my work as a coach, consultant speaker to really be a catalyst for exactly such transformations.   Michael Hingson ** 23:13 So where do you speak,   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 23:17 really anywhere that people are interested. So it's been to some nonprofits, it's been in house, to some different organizations, it's been at a couple of retreats. And if people find the topics, or subjects that I am interested in and feel like I can really add some value as compelling for them, then I don't want to just go around and repeat my message, I want to find out, how will it be valuable and most valuable to you and your people or your audiences, and to really try and tailor it accordingly.   Michael Hingson ** 24:03 And I think that's the only way to really be a successful speaker. As I tell people when they're talking to me about speaking somewhere, I customize every talk, I really want to know what you're looking for What messages do you want to send, because I think it's extremely important not to get locked into just giving some speech every time. Everyone wants to hear the September LeBrons story. But what I get to do is surround that with content that's specifically relevant and I think that's the only way to do it. Absolutely. And it's more fun.   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 24:40 Absolutely, because I already know my own stories and my own background, and I get bored if I'm just repeating it as if it's, you know, rote memorization, but when it's how can I meet you where you are and share what I have to share in a way that actually matters and has an impact for you. That's why I'm doing it, it's not to hear myself say the same thing again. Yeah.   Michael Hingson ** 25:04 And there are going to be parts of it, that will be saying the same thing again. But it's more fun when you can put it in a context that people appreciate. I love to know that I'm drawing an audience in. And I've learned in my speeches, to sometimes use some specific kinds of things that have taught me when I say something, if the audience is really connected, they'll react in a certain way. And when I hear that, then I know I'm really connected. And if I don't hear that, then I need to go figure out what to change as I'm talking with them to draw them in. Because I think we don't talk or we shouldn't view ourselves as talking to an audience. We should be talking with an audience. Absolutely. And it's a different context. But it was always the same way. For me when I was teaching in academic settings. I was never someone who wanted to stand in front of a classroom and just, you know, essentially project Yeah, profess information. It was, you know, how can I meet you where you are, and ignite your passion and figure out where I can add value by helping you understand more than you could on your own? Not just delivering content? It's adding value once again. Absolutely. I had a calculus professor who came in every day, and he just started writing on the board. And he said, From this, we get, and it turned out that what he was really doing was just parroting what was in the book was calculus and analytic, analytic geometry by Thomas. Anyway, he just parroted the book. And he mostly just wrote on the board, and I counted one day, he said, 50 words during the whole class. And every time when he wasn't saying anything, I'd raised my hand. And I kept saying, Would you, please describe more of what you're doing, and it was like pulling teeth to get him to do it. But as the year went on, he got a little bit better. And students in the class that was freshman college, students were mocking him, one guy brought in a helium balloon with a paperclip. So he could put it at a height and he would just push it up in front of the professor. And the professor turns around, and this balloons right in front of him, and he's lecturing to the balloon doesn't even react to it, and other things happen during the class. But I got him finally to do more talking than he did at the beginning. And then at the end of the year, I passed, I got an A in calculus, but he called me into his office, and I'm going, Oh, what happened? Now? I go in, and he said, I gotta tell you, I really appreciate you and what you did, because I could not understand why students were really not interested in what I had to say. And he said, I realized that I wasn't talking. I wasn't engaging with them. And when I started doing that, it made a world of difference. And it does, it's all about connecting again. And so yeah, it's it's again, it's kind of one of those things. So what kind of clients do you get? And kind of? What have you been able to do? I'd love to hear a story about how you've helped change someone in the way they work.   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 28:16 Sure. So again, I primarily work with people who are accomplished by external measures. And so accomplished could mean anything, because it could be anyone from a school teacher to a CEO, I'm just talking about in whatever field they are. If you look at it as an outsider, you say, yeah, they're good at what they do. They're, you know, not someone who's just breaking into the field or switching. And it's sort of what I lived myself, right. I was accomplished in academia. I was award winning, you know, author and lecturer. But it wasn't something where I truly felt like I was leading a meaningful and fulfilling life. And so I think, a lot of coaching, you know, when it's done well, you're speaking from your own experience in your own journey, probably most good speaking as well. And so a great example. Charles Davidson is the founder of a nonprofit, which is now rebranded and that came about through my coaching with him. It had a different name before but it's now innovations and peacebuilding International. And in coaching with him, we really got a lot of clarity about, you know, what he was doing as an academic, what he was doing with his nonprofit, where things were in his personal life and what were the things that really mattered to him. And he just got so much clearer on, you know, where he was, where he wanted to be, how he wanted to get there, what he needed to do to start that we base simply did a six month coaching engagements. And part of my calling myself a transformational life coach is, I'm not looking to be your coach for two or three years. I'm always available to you for support at any point. But I want to equip you to change things to transform, and be able to go forth on your own. And so when I followed up with him three months after we finished our coaching engagement, he told me that they had three times as much in the bank for the nonprofit, as they had when we started. He and I never talked about money strategies. That's not what I coach on. But he got so much clarity about what he was doing that he restructured the board, he renamed the nonprofit. And then when I followed up with him later, a year after we finished, they had 10 times in the bank, we also never spoke about physical fitness. I'm not a coach for that. But when I talked to him, at the end of our engagement, he said he dropped 15 pounds, just because he was so clear on what he was doing the life he wanted to live, what mattered to him, that it just happened. And so those are the types of transformations that I really am always looking to make. And it's not to say that the results will be the same for everyone. But if I can really walk beside you holding a flashlight to help you decide which direction you want to go, then that's what my job is. Yeah.   Michael Hingson ** 31:30 And that makes so much sense. And the issue really is that you need to if you're being coached, or if you're looking at yourself, it's important to really look at yourself and to think about what you're doing, and do self analysis. Because even you as a coach, you can't change someone, they have to do it, they have to want to do it. But all you can do is to help show them the way but it all comes down to it seems to me that, that you have to as the individual involved, look at yourself, do some introspection, and make some decisions as to how to move forward. And that's something as you say, you don't always get the same results from people. But I would suspect a lot of times if it doesn't work out? Well. It's because they don't catch on to doing real self introspection and self examination.   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 32:22 Absolutely. And so the parallel I gave earlier to working with, you know, especially say my PhD students, my job is to help you get clarity on what are your questions to help you get clarity on? How are you going to find answers to your own questions. And so it's the same thing as a life coach, I'm helping you figure out what are the things that you really want to figure out for yourself? And how are you going to go about doing that for yourself? If I just give you a paint by numbers? What what do you care about that? Why should you care about that? It's nice, but it's nothing about what matters to you.   Michael Hingson ** 33:01 Right? And you won't progress and you won't value it. And even if something sort of accidentally happens, and you're sitting there going, well. Why did that happen? What what accidentally made that happen, and you don't catch on to what really is involved. And what's really important,   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 33:19 is exactly your life isn't transformed, which means I really haven't done that much to support you as a person. And   Michael Hingson ** 33:27 that doesn't mean that it's your fault as the coach, if someone isn't really willing to take the time to think and analyze for themselves. And I am such a fan of introspection, I think that people should take time every evening before they fall asleep to think about themselves in their lives and what they did today, how did this go? Why could this have been better? Or could it have been better and all of that? If we really take a hard look, it isn't such a hard look, once you really start to practice it.   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 34:00 That's quite true. And at the same time, I'm not the best coach for every person, right? We all have different styles. And so I want to have a conversation, whether it as a coach, whether I'm a consultant for you, whether I'm a speaker, if your organization is actually a good fit, and let's make sure that you have the best fit for you the same as I want that for myself.   Michael Hingson ** 34:25 So, I'm assuming that there are probably times that you felt you weren't the best fit for someone, do you help them find another coach or how does that work? Absolutely. So   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 34:35 if I know someone in my network, who I think might be a better fit, than I absolutely make the direct recommendation, if I don't, but I know someone who might I ask if they want me to inquire and if either they don't or I don't know someone then I explained to them and describe to them what I think it sounds like they're looking for and any leads They have any suggestions for where they might be better suited to find someone who I think will actually support them?   Michael Hingson ** 35:07 Again, they have to really want to do it. But you don't have control over that. No. Which is, which is understandable? Well, you know, in, in our world today, we have a lot of social pressure to achieve and be successful. And whatever that may mean, but how do we deal with the reorg? How can we reorganize and change what we do to deal with all of the social pressures? And you talked about that in terms of what you had to do as an academic and the pressures that were there with publisher perish and other things like that? How do we change that?   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 35:53 Yeah, so I think there's two really important pieces to that. And I thank you for the question. So I think the first piece that is really important is to understand that as human beings, we only have one nervous system. And it was one that was evolved to deal with, you know, short term, high stakes, life and death types of threats. And so, you know, fight or flight, or then if you've had in the freeze or fawn responses, you know, those are all evolutionarily developed to deal with major confrontational situations, like, you know, go around the corner, and there's a big barrier there. Well, yeah, that gives you this huge spike of all these stress hormones, so that you can respond and deal with it. But the situation then resolves itself, and then all of those hormones can drain out of your system. Whereas the things that we get stressed about today, are ongoing. They're the traffic, there's the competing pressures between different relationship responsibilities and work responsibilities, and coworkers who may or may not be doing what you think they're part of a project is, and so when do we ever have a chance for that to all sort of dissipate? And we really don't? And I think that that's a large part of the problem. And so then how do we reorient and focus, I think, is about shifting from concentrating on, you know, achieving from the what, from the doing to the how in the being. And so an expression I heard when I was younger, that has always stuck with me, is life is only 10%, how we make it, but it's 90%, how we take it. And I think we can always ask and choose how we want to be whether more generally such as if I take this job, how do I want to be in this job? If I have these people in my social network? How do I want to be with them? Or it can be in a given moment or situation such as, how do I want to be in this given conversation in this given negotiation. And that's something we can always choose?   Michael Hingson ** 38:20 Interesting way to put it in that it is a choice. There's so much social pressure to do and achieve and so on. Typically, why does that cost so much stress? And we put ourselves in that position, a lot of the time, why does it cost so much stress?   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 38:38 Yeah, so again, I think that goes back to the fact that there isn't a secondary nervous system for social pressure. And so we don't have a second nervous system. That's different for the ongoing lower stakes social interactions. And as such, we have this constant pressure of doing an achieving that leaves our brains swimming in this stew of stress hormones. And again, it doesn't dissipate, if there's a big bear. Either I get away, I bonk it on the head with a rock, I freeze and it loses interest. And then all of that goes out of my system. And we don't have that. And I also think this is where the issue of social support versus access starts to show up as very narrow models of what counts as achieving get used very indiscriminately. So you've spoken about some of this dynamic before and that you know, what counts is a disability is actually a social issue. So why for instance, is it a disability when someone in a wheelchair can't reach something on a high shelf unassisted? But it's not a disability when it's a young child unable to reach the same item or a sharp person? Sure, absolutely. And the point is that it's really, you know, what are the frameworks because as human beings, we're social organisms, we're social beings. And so do we actually feel like we belong, like there's support, like there's allowances, or not. And so a great example of this from my former career in cultural anthropology comes from an ethnographic film, the bird dancer, and the film showcased is ghostie, you sort of teeny, who's a young Balinese woman with what we in the West would label as Tourette syndrome. And as the film shows, so powerfully, the actual cause of her suffering is not her symptoms, but it's the attitudes of those around her who feel she should be different. And I think that's really the key to this. Anytime you have a should you're fighting with what is. And so I think if anytime, we can catch ourselves saying should weather about, I should work out more, I should eat healthier, my boss should recognize my work, my partner should acknowledge my contributions. If we just replaced that with could, I could eat healthier, I could work out more, my boss could recognize my efforts. I could have my efforts recognized by my partner, then we can say, okay, but am I or am I not? And then I can choose how I want to be coming back to that issue of   Michael Hingson ** 41:33 choice. And you can also say, Okay, I can't do that I could do that. How do I do it? And it gets back to analysis and examination again?   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 41:43 Absolutely. And it goes back to that how versus just the what?   Michael Hingson ** 41:47 Now, I'm not an expert on bears, but my mindset and my mental attitude also says, gee, is there any chance to become friends with the bear? And I don't know the answer to that.   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 42:03 I don't either. And again, I'm talking at the very general level about what is our nervous system primed for that said, you know, if it's a bear that's grown up around humans who are not a threat to it, then chances are that it's not going to be that dangerous, unless it's provoked.   Michael Hingson ** 42:25 Or unless you just exude fear and animal sense that, and then the result is that that has some impact on it, I don't know. But I would presume that it's possible to become friends with a baron. Likewise, what it also means is, when you come across these things that are just overwhelming, you can learn and choose to let it overwhelm you or take a more strategic approach. I'm writing a new book, it's called Live like a guide dog, and it's about my growing up, and being surrounded by dogs. Basically, most all of my life, I started when I'm 14 with my first guide, dog, Squire. And it's about lessons I've learned. Because I realized at the beginning of 2020, I talked a lot about the past about the World Trade Center, and escaping without being afraid, but I've never really taught anyone how to do that. And so this book is going to start to work to teach people how to control fear, and how to use fear as a very powerful tool to assist you rather than allowing yourself to be as I say it blinded by or overwhelmed by fear.   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 43:46 Nice, that sounds super interesting. I look forward to reading it.   Michael Hingson ** 43:49 It'll be out next July or August. It's we've got a publisher, and they've been working on it. And we've even gone through the copy editing and all that. And there's another round coming up of that. But it's, it's kind of fun. And every time we get the book back, they either have questions, or we find a few little things to tweak. That's okay. I understand that's part of the publishing process. We did that with underdog when wrote that in 2011. But fear is is a very powerful tool that can be the bear or it can be a nice, friendly puppy dog. That nevertheless, can be something that you have to deal with, but you can which will be kind of fun to you know, to get through. So in general, how would you advise people or what would you advise people about dealing with the overwhelming kinds of conditions and stresses that we face? How do you help people change what they do and become more able to cope with that?   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 44:56 Yeah, so I really sort of break it down in my head to sort of three categories. And so the first one I had mentioned briefly, which is I think it's so important to start with what actually is. So not the stories we tell ourselves not the internalized projections. But so first and the one I already mentioned is could not should, because again, anytime I'm saying something should be a certain way, I'm fighting with what actually is. The second one is recognizing responsibility, and not blame. So for example, if someone's supposed to pick up their kids at school, but there's, you know, an accident and they can't get there, they're not to blame for not picking up their kids. But that doesn't mean they're not responsible. So then they need to make some phone calls and arrange for it to happen. And so I think all too often when we're dealing with, whether it's other people, or even how we talk to ourselves, we always go to blame. And that's not constructive versus responsibility, which then invites. Okay, so now what do I need to do or what needs to happen. And the third part of that, starting with what is framework is interest, not intention. And I'm not talking about for ourselves, it's one thing to have an intention of, here's what I want to do, here's how I want to show up. When we're dealing with other people, if we're dealing with them with an intention of how they're going to respond, that's not fair, because they're going to respond however they do. And if it's, I'm going to show up in the way I want to, I'm going to do what I think is appropriate, or is authentic to me, and I'm interested to see what comes from that I'm interested where that takes us, that's very different from I have an intention for how someone else is going to respond, or how a situation is going to unfold. So those are the three parts for me of starting with what is the next part of the mental, you know, sort of model I use is the strategic level. And I use Bing as an acronym, and happy to go into any of it in more detail. But just to sort of give the umbrella level view, the first part, B of B for being is begin where you are. And I think all too often, people sort of rushed to where do they want to go? Well, you can't navigate on a map, if you don't know where you're starting your GPS can't guide you anywhere, if it doesn't have a signal that it can pinpoint where you are to begin with. E is for explore where you want to go. Because it's one thing to sort of say, oh, yeah, I'm gonna apply for the promotion. But why is it really what's going to suit you, maybe it's gonna give you more money, but does it take more time. So you can't actually spend the money for save the time with family, which is what you really wanted, right? The AI is for investigate your options. Because once you know where you are, and you know where you want to go, there's never just one way to get there. What are the different ways to get there, which ones have served you in the past, which ones appeal to you now, and really investigate that so that you figure out what's the best way for you. And is for now start because I think all too often we get trapped with trying to make sure it's all planned out perfectly. And and think about like the book you were just describing and I've you know, written books as well, if you wait for it to be perfect before you submit it to a publisher, it'll never get published. It's you start it, you get it to a point, you send it out. And then it's an iterative process to, to hone it in to be the best. And so starting is so important. And especially with the pressure to achieve the trap of perfectionism, so often prevents people from even starting. And the g of being is get your best life. And I don't mean that everything's done and it's complete. But all too often we're so busy chasing and trying to achieve that we don't actually recognize the changes we've made. We don't appreciate what we've learned along the way and how we're now equipped to always do that for ourselves going forward. So that's the second one, the strategic level. And the third and final part I use as sort of the tactical one. And it's the simple question, which I mentioned before of how do I want to be as a question because again, I can ask it, you know, bigger Situations, Relationships overall, I can ask it regarding this very conversation. And every once in a while life is so overwhelming or this stakes are so high emotionally, that even that gets challenging. And then I turned to a version of it that I labeled future casting. And so we've all had that situation where whether it's two hours from now, two weeks, two months, I go, Oh, I wish I had said I wish I had done. And so when it's really overwhelming, I asked myself, Okay, what does five year for me, Jonathan, wish I would have said or done right now? When I look back on this in the future, how will I have wanted to respond? And it may not be easy to do. But it's usually pretty simple to figure out. And once I know what that is, then that's what I do. And that's what I coach people. So start with what is strategically use the being model and then tactically, how do I want to be in future cast if necessary?   Michael Hingson ** 50:52 You ever get people who say, Gee, that sounds like a lot of work? And it's pretty complicated.   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 51:00 Yes, ish. When you're just talking to people about like, what's involved, then sure I get that. But the whole point is, it's not, I write down a list of these things right handed to you and say, Come talk to me and half a year, it's, here's the model we're going to be following. But again, it's a model, it's a map, it doesn't mean that you're locked into anything. It's a framework. And just like any really expert cook, you know, they do it sort of on the fly, they know all of the strategies, but they can combine things on the spot. It's not No, I have to absolutely, you know, follow the written version through and through every single time. That's not the point. And so it's here's the model, but we're going to spend the time I'm going to be walking beside you shining that flashlight on each piece of this, so that you can just concentrate on figuring it out. I'm the one who has to hold the model in mind, I'm the one who has to make sure that it's working for you. And that we take longer where you need longer to process, and that the parts that you fly through, we don't stay spending time just because it's in the model.   Michael Hingson ** 52:21 What do you find, though, for people who follow the model who work with you, and you coach, as you go forward, and the more time you spend with them does adhering to the model or properly utilizing the model becomes easier for them because they're developing the muscle?   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 52:42 Absolutely. And again, it's an acronym to make it easy to remember. And you know, it's up. The being one is up on my website. And you know, it's something we talk about. But again, if that language doesn't work for them, I don't care. It's not about the actual wording. It's just a framework, if they want to call it something else in their head, and that's what works for them. Then in our interactions, I'm going to use their language, I'm going to use sure if a framework works for them. It's just something that was really resonant for me. And the vast majority of people who I work with, they like it, and it has some resonance for them. But again, it's only a model, it's not anything that's cast in stone, it's not the answer to anything, right?   Michael Hingson ** 53:36 It's not the model. It's the concept. And it's However, anyone does it, it's it's still finding the way to get to address the issues that the model essentially brings up, whether you call it the model or use the language or whatever, it's still basically dealing with the concepts that you're trying to get people to understand. And, and analyze and do something with, right?   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 54:07 Absolutely. And I think as a general framework, it makes sense to people like you begin where you are, you figure out where you want to go, you figure out how you're gonna get there. Once you have that you actually have to start. And the whole point is to get where you're going. Like, yeah, that's pretty easy.   Michael Hingson ** 54:23 Yeah. It's a concept and it makes perfect sense. So however, people want to phrase it and everybody likes to use their own words. So a lot of people do. That's okay. As you said, it's still the basic concept that you're really addressing.   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 54:37 Absolutely.   Michael Hingson ** 54:39 So having been in the anthropology, academia world for a long time, how does that work into what you're doing now as a life coach?   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 54:51 Yeah, it's really interesting because it informs it in ways that I didn't even realize it was going to when I was first training you As a coach, the one way that I think it shows up more than any other is, as a cultural anthropologist, when I go to study, you know, different cultural groups. The whole point is, I'm not the expert. I'm there to be a student and learn from them. Why they do things the way they do, how do they think about it? What does that framework do for them? And so that's what I do as a coach at an individual level. That's what I do as a consultant. With organizations, I'm not the expert in you, you're the expert and you, I'm here to learn, what's your framework, what's your model, and then just have the ability as an outsider to reflect that back, so that you can use that however you want to. So that's the biggest way. The next one is the idea of ethnocentrism. And so many people have heard of it. And there's sort of the popular version of taking for granted that your way is the best. Well, that's a problematic version. But it's not the most problematic because it's acknowledging that other people have other ways of thinking about and doing things. The insidious version is taking for granted, that your way of thinking about things or doing things is the only possibility. And so I can the same way as I would teach, you know, students about ethnocentrism, I can do the same thing with different clients, it's, well, maybe the way you think about it isn't the best maybe the way you think about it isn't the only one. I'm not trying to present any other specific version, but just give that framework for maybe there are other ones, which then comes up to that idea of cultural relativism, which is that how different people think about and do things is what makes sense from within their own framework. And I think the underlying idea here is no one on the planet wakes up in the morning, and says, This makes no sense. I'm going to do it that way. They may think the options that they are aware of are all bad ones, but they're still picking the one that they think is least bad. And so it's understanding that there is a logic to what everyone does. And so if rather than coming with an accusatory How could you think that I can do it from genuine curiosity of how can you think that because there's clearly a way to do it, then I can understand different frameworks, and take them as seriously as the ones I'm more familiar with. And I can work with you to help you be able to do that as well. The next one is sort of the holistic perspective, which is nothing is in isolation. Nothing is divorced from everything else. It's not necessarily connected to everything, but it's part of a bigger picture. And so while one thing may be troubling you or there may be one area in your life that you're looking to, you know, adjust or there may be one part of the business that doesn't seem to quite be coming together the way you want. The fact is, it's still linked to other ones, and let's look at where it fits in. So that we're really addressing the whole system and not just a piece in isolation. And the next one would be the idea of generalizations versus stereotypes. And I take this from a medical anthropologist, Marianne Galante, who the human brain recognizes patterns. That's part of what we're good at. But the difference that she's drawing is, a stereotype is saying, I know something about you. And that's the end of what I am thinking, I think I then know everything. A generalization is saying, Oh, I know something, I recognize a pattern. It's the beginning, I asked, might this be applicable to you? So say, someone who's a patient in a hospital setting? And I know their religious background, rather than saying, Oh, you're from this background, therefore, I know what your dietary restrictions are. I say, Oh, I see you're from this background, are these restrictions are actually things that we need to look at for you. And so it's using it as a beginning point, not as an ending point. And the final one would be around different types of isms. And you know, people can have prejudice in every single direction. But the idea is that there's a difference between just having prejudices versus prejudices plus power. And so really recognizing power differentials. And you know, how those show up are things that especially with some of my consulting work, I can really lie you know, rely on my anthropology background to help, you know, point out where those things may be exerting an influence in ways that not everyone is aware of and therefore they can be much more intentional about how they're actually interacting with people and showing up and enter and you know, doing things.   Michael Hingson ** 1:00:10 I love being a student. And I feel that if I ever stop learning, then there's something wrong with me. And I love asking questions. And as I tell people in the sales world, I never liked to ask close, close ended questions. It always has to be open ended questions I don't like yes and no answers to things because I want more information. And I think it's important to always look that way. So I, I resonate with the things that you're saying, which are, I believe, really pretty cool. You mentioned disabilities earlier, which prompts something that I'm sure you've heard me talk about on some of the episodes you listen to tell me a little bit about diversity. And you talk about coaching beyond diversity? What do you think about diversity as a cultural anthropologist, and why do you talk about coaching beyond that?   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 1:01:02 Absolutely. So I think we actually share some objectives on this. And so while I'm a cultural anthropologist, it's still under the larger umbrella of anthropology. And so I really want to borrow from some of the Biological anthropologists here. And so I look at human diversity the same way I do biological, the same way I look at biological diversity, it just is, it's a fact it exists. And then the question is, where do we go from there? Do we think and act in ways that appreciate respect and honor diversity? Or do we take it for granted ignore it, or even worse, denigrate or degrade it? So just as you can't grow every plant in the same conditions, not all people thrive in the same conditions, and just as bright direct light on one plant, you know, it needs to thrive with harm and other, so too, with any one size fits all approach to people. And so because of your work in this space, I'm sure you've heard, you know, the different versions of te di D, B be the one that I heard that made the most sense to me, and that I work with, and that I'm sort of referencing when I talk about coaching beyond diversity is JT di, or Jedi? And so growing up when I did, you know, the Jedi were the defenders of what was right in the universe. And the j stands for justice. And it's just what is the right thing to do. And it's about valuing and protecting all. And it's not, you know, PC for the sake of saying it. And one of the things I really, I'm not saying there's no value to it, but I really do get upset by it at the same time, is when I hear people talk about the positive business outcomes of being more aware and sensitive to these issues. Not that that doesn't matter. Not that those things aren't true. But I don't think the reason to take these things seriously is because of business outcomes alone, that should be a byproduct. If it's not about what's the just thing to do in the first place, then I think we have a bigger problem we need to address address as a society. The ie of Chad, I would be for equity, which is really the opposite of a one size fits all approach. So the same way as we don't grow, you know, all plants in the same environment. Rather, we look at what combination of soil type amount of sunlight and water each needs to thrive, we need to do the same thing for people. And all of that is about recognizing that diversity just is and so we need to respect and honor it. And if we do all of those things correctly, that's where we get to inclusion. And so where diversity is about recognizing uniqueness. Inclusion is about belonging. It's about recognizing and showing how each unique piece is equally important in completing a puzzle. Any one piece that's missing, the puzzle is incomplete. No one piece is more important to that than any other.   Michael Hingson ** 1:04:14 That gets to be the real issue, of course doesn't mean that's why with things like unstoppable mindset where our tagline is where inclusion, diversity in the unexpected meet, I put inclusion first because typically diversity in our discussions leaves out disabilities, which it shouldn't. So we talk about where inclusion, diversity in the unexpected meet really means that you're going to either be inclusive or you're not an inclusive means you have to include all things you can't kind of go part way well, we're partially inclusive, we deal with race. No, that's not really inclusion very well. It   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 1:04:51 isn't. There's lots of different things. You know, we can add in neuro diversity to that. Well, I know when I was recovering From that spinal injury I mentioned to you, they had added a new glass door to the sort of suite where I had my visual anthropology lab. Well, they put the lock at floor level, because it was a glass door, and they didn't like the look of a lock at the handle level. Well, I was recovering from a spinal injury, I was using a walker, I can't get down to the floor level to unlock it. And it was something they added, which is how many years after, you know, the disability acts that all specify that any new thing needs to take in to account those different types of issues. I'm fortunate I was someone who that's not a permanent issue I have to deal with. But it was still shocking to me that, you know, despite the fact that there were federal laws about it, no blessing, aesthetically appealing to them, they didn't even take it into account. Well, of course,   Michael Hingson ** 1:05:55 as I've maintained, everyone has a disability. And for most of you, it's like dependence. And if the power goes out, and you're in a room somewhere, you immediately have major challenges. And, yeah, the light bulb has created light on demand that covers it up. But it doesn't negate the fact that it's still there. But it's amazing how many people just choose to not recognize that we're not nearly as inclusive as we should be. And we don't include enough people in the conversation. And it's something that does need to change. Absolutely. It's one of those things that it's a goal. And we'll we'll just continue to work toward it. Well, Jonathan, this has been a lot of fun if people want to reach out to you and maybe explore working with you or consulting. How do they do that?   Dr. Jonathan Marion ** 1:06:40 Absolutely. So the best place to get more information, hop on my schedule, fill out a contact request would be my website, which is stepsalongtheway.global so just one word, no punctuation steps along the way, dot global. I really, that's the name of my business steps along the way. Because I think where we are now is the steps we've taken. And the way to get the life you really want is to have intentionality about the next steps you take and dot global because I'm happy to work with people from anywhere and everywhere. And I travel enough that I might even be there. People are also welcome to reach out to me as far as direct email. And best way to do that would be sa t w again. That's first step along the way  satwcoaching@gmail.com. Send me a dir

In today's episode, Jonathan Raymond talks about the critical role of authority in personal and professional growth. He shares his personal experiences with authority in various aspects of life, including work, relationships, and spirituality. Jonathan emphasizes the importance of reflecting on past interactions with authority figures and how these have shaped our responses and decisions. He explains the challenges of navigating the balance between compliance and rebellion as we develop self-awareness. As a bonus exercise for deeper insight, the next time you question how you handled a conversation, journal these questions: What did you want to say? What did you actually say? What was the gap between the two? What was a valid reason for editing yourself, and what wasn't? Who taught you to respond this way? Based on your reflections, consider how you might handle the next situation differently. You can learn more about these questions and authority by getting Jonathan's weekly newsletter.  Read Good Authority Continue the conversation with Jonathan: Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.jonathanraymond.com⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Try Refound's AI Coaching Platform: ⁠⁠⁠refound.com⁠⁠⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanrefound⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.instagram.com/jonathanrefound⁠

In today's episode, Jonathan is joined by Kirsten Jones, author of Raising Empowered Athletes. You'll hear them discuss the complexities of youth sports, its ties to the pandemic, and strategies to encourage outdoor play and enrich young athletes' experiences. Their conversation also addresses the challenges of hyper-competitiveness and pay-to-play culture in sports. Even if you don't have kids, this one is still worth a listen, as it draws parallels between sports, parenting, effective management, and leadership skills applicable in various life aspects. Key insights include creating environments for success, developing individuals without micromanagement, challenging them appropriately, and managing personal anxieties.    About Kirsten: Kirsten is a Hall of Fame Division 1 volleyball player, a 14-year NIKE executive, a motivational speaker, peak performance coach and the author of Raising Empowered Athletes: A Youth Sports Parenting Guide for Raising Happy, Brave and Resilient Kids. As a coach, she works with athletes, entrepreneurs and leaders, where she helps them learn how to reach their goals by releasing their limitations.  Kirsten's super power is helping people get out of their heads and into their bodies so they can feel their best and perform beyond what even they dreamed possible.  She is the co-host of the #RaisingAthletes Podcast with Susie Walton, where they interview coaches, athletes, trainers and industry experts about everything youth sports. Kirsten and her husband, Evan, are currently raising three teenage/young adult athletes (ages 23, 20, 18) in Los Angeles. Connect with Kirsten: kirstenjonesinc.com   Continue the conversation with Jonathan: Website: ⁠⁠⁠www.jonathanraymond.com⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Try Refound's AI Coaching Platform: ⁠⁠refound.com⁠⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanrefound⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠www.instagram.com/jonathanrefound⁠

A vision without action is nothing more than a fantasy, and action is merely a means to an end without a vision.  Having a vision is imagining what life will be like after reaching your goals. Not only is it important to have one, but it is essential to communicate your vision in a way that attracts excitement and action. After all, vision is about your goals and how you plan to achieve them in the future. Jonathan Domsky, business and life coach and founder of Untangled Coaching, joins us on The Greatness Machine for the second time around to talk about vision, purpose, and the common limiting beliefs that stop most people from reaching their full potential. In this episode, Darius and Jonathan discuss the importance of transforming vision into reality, the two kinds of visions and how they differ from each other, and the reasons why some of the most hard-working people don't achieve the life they have always dreamed of. Topics include: How Jonathan realized he wanted to become a coach Two basic kinds of visions and their definitions The difference between affirmation and declaration Why having a sense of purpose is important What motivates people to take action What is vision and why you must have it Five reasons why hard-working people don't have to lives and businesses they want What stops people from achieving greatness in their lives And other topics… Connect with Jonathan: Website: https://untangled-coaching.com/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/business-personal-growth-coach Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathandomsky/  Connect with Darius: Website: https://therealdarius.com/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dariusmirshahzadeh/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/whoompdarius/ YouTube: https://therealdarius.com/youtube Book: The Core Value Equation https://www.amazon.com/Core-Value-Equation-Framework-Limitless/dp/1544506708 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we're joined by a special guest, Jonathan Berk. Jonathan is an urban planner and placemaker based in Massachusetts. Through his work activating public spaces and shaping policy, Jonathan has become a leading voice in creating more livable, equitable communities across the state. We're excited to learn about Jonathan's background and insights on urban planning issues. Please help me welcome Jonathan to the podcast. Jonathan discussed his work shaping Boston's approach through temporary park activations that gather community feedback. He analyzed challenges in developing neighborhoods like the Seaport and retrofitting areas like Copley Square. Jonathan emphasized the importance of walkable neighborhoods for health, sustainability, and equity. Revitalizing main streets also came up, with challenges like zoning and a lack of housing. Small towns face obstacles attracting investment without amenities. Aging populations need options to stay in their communities. Overall, the conversation highlighted balancing development, community needs, and policy to create livable, vibrant places. Jonathan was passionate about influencing perspectives to support more housing in Massachusetts. This discussion on urbanism certainly left me thinking about how cities can better serve all residents. Things we discussed in this episode: - Creating Livable Cities Through Urban Planning. - Investment ranges for brick-and-mortar vs service industry franchises. - Activating Public Spaces for Community Use .  - Developing Neighborhoods & Balancing Stakeholders. - Retrofitting Cities for Pedestrians & Prosperity. - Reviving Main Streets & Downtown Districts. - Overcoming Obstacles to Small Town Renewal. - Why Walkable Matters for People & the Planet. - Influencing Perspectives on Housing & Development. Get in touch with Jonathan: Website - https://www.remainplaces.com/ Email - jonathan@remainplaces.com Facebook - https://www.instagram.com/berkie382 Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-berk-1b14a020/ #realestatepodcast #realestate #realestateinvesting #realestateinvestor #UrbanPlanning #AffordableHousing  #Placemaking #PublicSpace #CommunityEngagement #WalkableCities #MainStreetRevitalization #SmallBusiness #AgeFriendlyCommunities #HousingPolicy Follow Us! Join Jason Muth of Prideaway Stays and Straightforward Short-Term Rentals and Real Estate Attorney / Broker Rory Gill for another episode of The Real Estate Law Podcast! Following and subscribing to The Real Estate Law Podcast not only ensures that you'll get instant updates whenever we release a new episode, but it also helps us reach more people who could benefit from the valuable content that we provide. The Real Estate Law Podcast Website and on Instagram and YouTube Prideaway Stays Website and on Facebook and LinkedIn Straightforward Short-Term Rentals Website and on Instagram Attorney Rory Gill on LinkedIn Jason Muth on LinkedIn This podcast and these show notes are not legal advice, but we hope you find both entertaining and informative. Hospitality.FM The Real Estate Law Podcast is part of Hospitality.FM, a podcast network dedicated to bringing the best hospitality-focused podcasts to those in and around the industry, from Food + Beverage, Guest Experience, Diversity & Inclusion, Tech, Operations, Hotels, Vacation Rentals, Real Estate Law, and so much more!

In today's episode, Jonathan explores the often misunderstood concept of accountability. After highlighting common misconceptions, he examines its vital role in all aspects of our interactions, not just in leadership. Jonathan also guides you through the five critical steps of the Accountability Dial in an effort to move from intention to impact: The Mention The Invitation The Conversation The Boundary The Limit This episode is ideal for anyone eager to master the nuances of accountability in both their personal and professional lives. ⁠Learn more about the Accountability Dial Read Good Authority Continue the conversation with Jonathan: Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.jonathanraymond.com⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Try Refound's AI Coaching Platform: ⁠⁠⁠refound.com⁠⁠⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanrefound⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.instagram.com/jonathanrefound⁠

Today's episode welcomes Austin Mao, founder of Ceremonia, to explore the transformative intersection of ceremonial wisdom and modern healing practices. Austin shares his own personal journey and sheds light on the nuanced differences between ceremony and therapy, emphasizing the unique power of psychedelics in facilitating deep, personal growth. Austin and Jonathan discuss the evolution of his perspective on leadership, authenticity, and the human capacity for transformation. Join us for a thought-provoking exploration of the roles of ceremonies and psychedelics in the modern quest for wellness. Connect with Austin: https://www.ceremoniacircle.org/ ⁠ Continue the conversation with Jonathan: Website: ⁠⁠⁠www.jonathanraymond.com⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Try Refound's AI Coaching Platform: ⁠⁠refound.com⁠⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanrefound⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠www.instagram.com/jonathanrefound⁠

In today's episode, Jonathan sits down with Micah Baldwin, a seasoned executive coach, entrepreneur, and Microsoft team member, to unpack the essence of innovative leadership intertwined with the art of inner dialogue and self-awareness. Micah shares profound insights from his diverse career, emphasizing the pivotal role of authenticity, understanding our inner voice, and the concept of figuring out what 'enough' is. Micah delves into how engaging with our own psychology and defining personal metrics for success can lead to transformative innovations and a truly satisfying career. This conversation is a deep dive into the synergy between effective leadership and inner fulfillment, offering listeners a guide to thriving in today's fast-paced tech landscape while staying true to oneself. Connect with Micah: https://www.linkedin.com/in/micahbaldwin/ https://www.currentwisdom.com/ Continue the conversation with Jonathan: Website: ⁠⁠www.jonathanraymond.com ⁠⁠Try Refound's AI Coaching Platform: ⁠refound.com⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠⁠www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanrefound⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠www.instagram.com/jonathanrefound⁠

Are you communicating in your client's language?Meet Jonathan Pritchard!Unlock the secrets of effective communication and persuasion with Jonathan Pritchard, a master of leveraging psychology in business and public speaking. In this episode Jonathan delves into the art of understanding and articulating your audience's needs better than they can themselves. Discover how to diagnose the real issues plaguing your clients, craft compelling messages that resonate, and ensure your solutions stick. He also shares his unique perspective on negotiation, drawing from his experience as a mentalist, and offers invaluable advice for avoiding the pitfalls of poor client relationships. Whether you're a seasoned professional or just starting out, this conversation with host Robert Ndlela is packed with insights that can transform the way you connect with others. Don't miss out on this opportunity to elevate your communication skills!Connect with Jonathan:Website: https://icanreadminds.com