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Get the inside scoop on how the OPC tours came to life, including the key role Balanced Body played in making them happen. Lesley and Brad share what it's like to be on the road, how they stay grounded during tour season, and why reflecting after each stop matters. This episode is packed with community, purpose, and behind-the-scenes fun. Whether you've joined a tour before or are curious about what it's like, you'll love hearing what's in store for this year.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How the Balanced Body partnership made the OPC tours possible.Highlights from past tours and how they've evolved.Navigating unexpected changes and pivots while on the road.The small routines that keep Lesley grounded during tour season.Why reflecting after each tour helps improve the next one.The real impact of showing up in person and building community.A behind-the-scenes look at this year's OPC tour plans.Episode References/Links:Balanced Body - https://www.pilates.comContrology Reformer - https://beitpod.com/reformerContrology Spine Corrector - https://beitpod.com/spinecorrectorContrology Folding Mat - https://beitpod.com/foldingmatOPC Tours - https://opc.me/tourOPC Host - https://opc.me/host If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:58  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It second half of the how did these tours come to be? And Brad is back as my guest. So this is a different kind of cadence, I guess you'd say. Brad Crowell 1:10  Yeah, you know, we're shaking things up a little bit. Lesley Logan 1:11  So we're not answering any of your questions. We're not going to talk about the Be It Action Items we shared with you. Brad Crowell 1:16  But we are going to talk about that amazing guest you had on this week's episode. Lesley Logan 1:20  Oh yeah, yeah. We're talking about you, Brad. Brad Crowell 1:22  It was me. Lesley Logan 1:23  And also, if you want to come to the tours, opc.me/tour, no matter when you hear this, you will always be able to see what upcoming tour there is or you'll get on a waitlist for the next one to come out. But basically, we do two tours a year. So we left off with how we started talking with Balanced Body about our tours.Brad Crowell 1:42  Yeah. So I remember we were at a POT, I think. Lesley Logan 1:46  In Monterey in 2020. Brad Crowell 1:48  No, I think it was before that. I think it was in Chicago, even before that. Lesley Logan 1:51  Well, there was a Chicago one that I talked to them and I planted the seed, that was in 2019. Brad Crowell 1:54  Yeah, but that's the one I was talking about. So we started talking to Balanced Body years prior to their participation, and I remember the conversation with their team. I just remember looking at their operation and literally watching them back a tractor trailer up to the convention center and commenting and going, Wow, you guys have tractor trailers. And the response was, we have three. I was like, you have three tractor trailers? They're like, yeah, look where do you think all these Reformers are gonna go? And they were loading case after case after case of things into the thing. And I was like, wow, it's so much work for you guys to go on the road. And they said, yeah, for us to put on these POTs, it is a massive enterprise to do. Many, many, many people, lots and lots of money. It's so much coordination, so much effort, you know. And I jokingly said, well, you know, I think we can help you guys out with that. And that didn't really come to anything, but I, in my mind, I was like, we could do it for half, you know. And then we got the van, and then we were talking with Ken.Lesley Logan 2:56  What happened is they changed, on the Contrology, they changed how you can do the wheels, the side wheels, how you can tighten them or not tighten them, and they change it to make it easier for people. And so I said, we're all, we're driving to the POT Monterey anyways, because we're gonna have a booth there as well because we had a booth in the October one which was when you kind of planted that seed. Brad Crowell 3:15  Yeah, and for us it was only what eight hours, at this point we've driven across the country multiple times. They're like, yeah, we'll just drive. Lesley Logan 3:20  I said, oh, I'll bring my Reformer. And we weren't even staying at the hotel where the event was. We were just down the street, just because of, like, I needed a really big room. Brad Crowell 3:27  Yeah, you had to do a weekend workshop thing. Lesley Logan 3:29  Yeah, I had to, like, host a weekend event and so we needed a big room. And so I had my assistant at the time, like, literally scoping pictures of rooms and we're like, there's no way we can make this room work, because the beds right there. So we had to stay about a mile a half away from the venue. And so Ken Ubered over. Brad Crowell 3:45  Ken is the owner of Balanced Body. Lesley Logan 3:47  Yeah, so get this, Ken Ubered over to our hotel, during setup of his humongous convention, to change the little silver situation that goes on the back of my carriage, to change the wheels out. Brad Crowell 4:01  Yeah, he brought us wrenches.Lesley Logan 4:02  He just brought a wrench, brought a credit card, so we had also brought our Nespresso machine. Brad made him a cup of Nespresso and so he fixed he like, this is, this is what.Brad Crowell 4:11  We're just chilling out, you know, and he's working on this Reformer, we're just chit-chatting. Lesley Logan 4:16  And then Brad's like, oh, man, I'll take you back to the venue. Brad Crowell 4:18  Yeah. He's like, oh, I'll grab an Uber. I was like, no, you will not grab an Uber. I will drive you, you know. And of course, I wanted him to see the van. Lesley Logan 4:26  Yeah. So he got in the van. He had to see how big the van was. He had just seen that we brought the Reformer. Brad Crowell 4:31  Yeah, yeah. Obviously, we brought the Reformer. But he said to me, oh my gosh, I always wanted one of these when I was in my 20s. I always just wanted to drive around the country. And it's so cool that you guys are doing this, and that's when I got a chance to say, well, this is, you know, we do go on tour, and we are taking, we're already taking a Reformer with us, so that we can show off the Contrology Reformer, right? And he was like, wow. And so, you know, I didn't like full blown pitch him in that moment, but it was like one major seed planted, because he could see it, feel it, touch it, understand it, in a way that wasn't us trying to pitch the vision. He could be in the vision.Lesley Logan 5:09  Yeah. So they actually signed on with us for our first ever summer tour. And so we got to do the west coast because we'd only ever done the East Coast and the middle we'd never done the west coast before we'd pulled them. We want to do a West Coast tour. So we actually did our first West Coast tour. It wasn't very long. It was kind of like a short and sweet thing. I know. We did Las Vegas. We did Los Angeles. Brad Crowell 5:31  Well, somewhere in there, we missed the 2022 winter tour. But we, 2020. Lesley Logan 5:36  Oh, yeah, we did a '22 we did a 22, you're right, we did do a 2022 winter tour. And that got bigger, got back up to the size. Brad Crowell 5:41  Yeah, that was like eight or nine. So we have Cleveland, St Louis, Dallas, Houston, Nashville, Atlanta, Greensboro. Yeah. So. Lesley Logan 5:48  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That one, that one was really great, actually, because we got back up to our 2019 numbers and so we were able to say, okay, so we've had four tours, and so we're able to show them like, look now that COVID allows us to do this. Look at these nine cities. What if we, so we did our biggest tour ever, which was the West Coast tour. We didn't do Los Angeles. We started at Las Vegas. Did we even do Las Vegas? I know we did Riverside. Brad Crowell 6:10  For the summer tour? Lesley Logan 6:11  Yeah. We did Redlands. Brad Crowell 6:13  Redlands, Long Beach. Lesley Logan 6:14  Long Beach. Brad Crowell 6:14  Bakersfield. Lesley Logan 6:15  Bakersfield. Brad Crowell 6:16  Central Valley, Hanford, Fresno. Lesley Logan 6:18  Yeah it was near Fresno. Brad Crowell 6:19  Modesto. Lesley Logan 6:20  Modesto. You guys were hitting some of those great I-5 cities. Brad Crowell 6:23  So that's five. Yeah, we did Fairfield. Lesley Logan 6:25  Yes. And we did Sacramento. Brad Crowell 6:27  Sac. Lesley Logan 6:27  And then we did a tour of Balanced Body, even though we've done it before with Ken, we did a tour so that our OPC members could see how it's all done. It was so fun. They do amazing work at Balanced Body, just being great on the environment. Then we did. Brad Crowell 6:40  Bend. Lesley Logan 6:40  Bend, Oregon. Brad Crowell 6:42  Portland. Lesley Logan 6:42  Portland. That was so fun, too, Seattle, and then. Brad Crowell 6:46  Spokane. Lesley Logan 6:47  Spokane and then we dropped down, had a couple days off in Idaho. And then we got all around St George, Utah. Brad Crowell 6:54  So we did 11 stops. Lesley Logan 6:55  11 stops, it was our biggest one, and it was so fun. And we got to see how hot it could get. So then the van got a fan. Brad Crowell 7:05  We also did that whole tour in two weeks. Lesley Logan 7:07  In two weeks. Brad Crowell 7:07  It was like 16 days. Lesley Logan 7:09  It was really. Brad Crowell 7:10  It was zipped through 11 stops in 16 days. Lesley Logan 7:13  It was, yeah, there's a heat wave. So I was not, I was okay with zipping through. Then, because of that went so well and Balanced Body was so great with that that they joined us for our winter tour in 2023 and then we really able to like. Brad Crowell 7:26  But that's when I think things really blew up. Lesley Logan 7:27  Yeah, I don't think it was our, it was our biggest tour, for sure. It beat the 11 cities, but it wasn't our biggest, biggest. Then, last year, you want to go through them? Brad Crowell 7:36  Sure. We did Vegas, St George, Denver, Lawrence, Kansas, St Louis, Missouri, Cleveland, Ohio, Saratoga Springs. That was a private event. Boston, t hen Providence, private event. Brooklyn. We had to cancel New York City because nobody was in town. Hershey, Pennsylvania, Greensboro, North Carolina, Charleston, South Carolina, Miami, Sarasota, that's the first time we did the inside of Florida. Then Austin, Dallas, Albuquerque, Sedona. So by far, this was the largest one of the 19 cities. Lesley Logan 8:10  Yeah, then we did a summer tour with the Midwest. Because if you've noticed, we've been skipping Chicago for a while. So we have been alternating the West Coast, with the Midwest, and so this is how we decided, like, okay, so you need to know, after every single one of these tours, we reflect about, like, what went well, what cities went well? Will we go back, how the people like it, how much effort was it, how great was the host? You know, if we love the host, obviously it's amazing for us to want to go there. If the host works really, really hard, then, of course, we want to continue to work with them and support them. But we also discovered that my voice, as I get older, my voice can only do. Brad Crowell 8:47  I don't think it's just because you're getting older. We had you working nine days in a row, literally teaching class nine days in a row. By the ninth day you were fried. Lesley Logan 8:56  And some of these studios, they're acoustic. Brad Crowell 8:58  You're not a day older than 29, love. Lesley Logan 8:59  Thanks, baby. Some of these students, the acoustics are not awesome for that, because you have to get your voice to carry and all these things. And so, at any rate, you'd think, well, Lesley, don't you teach all day? No. No, I don't. No, I don't. In fact, when I. Brad Crowell 9:14  Come on, you do talk, you do talk most of the time, but like this is different than trying to yell in a warehouse, you know, like. Lesley Logan 9:20  Yeah, and get people's attention in a warehouse, for sure, some of them have music going on, the whole thing. So, at any rate, we've made changes to the tour. So you'll notice with tour schedules since summer of the Midwest. Brad Crowell 9:31  Well, that, so the Summer Tour was only 13 stops, but we did it in 16 days. Yes, we were flying through. Lesley Logan 9:36  We made changes that we can only do max six days in a row before a day off, five is more ideal. Brad Crowell 9:42  But this was a major change for us, where, whereas, like, all right, we have to be very intentional about the breaks that we're putting in. Because one, things Lesley mentioned at the beginning was, how does she maintain her consistency? How does she maintain her you know, how do you do that stuff? Lesley Logan 9:57  So these tours, because I don't want to do them, because it's a job. We actually truly enjoy doing the tours. We have so much fun. I mean, I get to hug hundreds of people. It's so great. And it really, actually makes me go, oh, I wanna teach all the time. And then I'm actually like, no, actually, I really love my life, but I love that I get to see so many of you that I only see on like, I only get to read words on the internet. I get to see you in person. I could touch you and like you're three dimensional and all the things. We really love doing it, we also want to be able to be as present as possible. And so after every tour, we always reflect back, do we have enough time in that city? Do we have enough time to do this? You guys, I must work out so I do not teach all these people Pilates, and I don't get workouts in. And so every schedule we have to make sure that five days a week, I have time at a gym. I have time to move before I'm teaching giving me space to go the gym at 11pm at night is not space to work out. Also, I have to make sure that I get to have seven hours of sleep, very important. So all the things that I preach about prioritizing myself first, those things happen on tour. Brad Crowell 10:57  People always ask us how do you maintain your routine when you're completely jacking up your routine?Lesley Logan 11:02  Yeah? Well, you can speak to this. You guys use a really cool app that plans out everything, because he'll kind of drive late at night while I'm sleeping, so I can go to bed early, and I'll wake up and it will say like you're working out from this time to this time. Then you're driving here to get coffee, and then you're driving here to do this thing, and so that I have time to do my thing for myself while you're sleeping.Brad Crowell 11:22  Yeah, so we take shifts, because just the nature of our brains and our bodies, I usually stay up late. Lesley usually gets up early, especially when, when it was the COVID trip that was crazy, like the van almost never turned off. We just kept going. Lesley Logan 11:36  We were so nervous about touching anything. Brad Crowell 11:37  I sleep, you drive, and while you were sleeping, I would drive, and we'd just go, go, go. Lesley Logan 11:42  That was very different. That was also just like a very different time in the world. We were, like, afraid. We still wondered if you got COVID from gas station handles and we were going to see people at Christmas, and we had to do like, a three-day hangout at your parents' house.Brad Crowell 11:55  But the point is that we were overlapping on purpose while one was sleeping, the other was driving. Now it's a little less. The maximum amount of driving that we're trying to do in a day is, like, no more than eight hours. And that's still a lot, you know, so we've started to slow it down, which has since then made the tour longer, but it makes it a lot more enjoyable so.Lesley Logan 12:17  We also get to like, see places now, because and we have the dogs, well, now we just have one dog. We should tell them funny stories about the dogs before we wrap this episode up. But we like make sure that they get walks, and we take it through really beautiful habitat preservations that allow for dog walking. We get to see some really cool thing.Brad Crowell 12:33  We stopped in Kansas by, like, one of those big tank memorials and threw the ball. I mean, you know, like this, all these things that we do. Then the Winter Tour 2024 with the support of Balanced Body. And we had some other sponsors, too. Yeah, we had 21 locations, 21 stops. But in order to meet these new requirements of no more than six days in a row of teaching, how do we drive eight hours or less a day? How do we make sure that we've got time to do some workouts. By the way, we're interested in seeing White Sands National Park on this trip. Can we do that, you know, like stuff like that. How do we work all that in? Well, it ended up making, making the trip 34, 35 days. But we actually went the longest. We drove 80, over 8000 miles. Lesley Logan 13:17  Yeah, we got to go to some great places. And also, if you're like, this sounds so amazing, guys, everything works out for you. Just so you know, pretty much every tour there was a dud city.Brad Crowell 13:24  Oh yeah, we had to cancel. It would have been 22 cities on the Winter Tour, and we, unfortunately, had to pull one because we just had no one participate.Lesley Logan 13:33  And we and talk about like the last time was that perseverance, we paid people to scour emails and Instagram handles for three hour drive away to be like, okay, well, what if we get these people from this state to come in? What if this people from this state come in? They could do with this. Brad Crowell 13:47  I mean, I would drive and just call, literally, I would call studio after studio after studio. Lesley Logan 13:51  And we had people say, and it was a lovely house. And she's like, no, people are just last minute. We're like, girl, it's 48 hours before. This is as last minute as we, no, we're not driving up there. So again, we don't take it personally. It sucks. We always do reflect, like, what could we have done better? Was it the time of day? You know, we've had cities that have done really, really well two years in a row, and then have a dud year, and we're like, oh, what happened there? And it's like, oh. So this next Winter Tour, we're flipping two cities because we're like, oh, you know, we did them before Christmas and then after Christmas. And this year we switched that, and that didn't go well for either one of them. So you start to learn the seasons of things, and you have to know that it's not personal, but the reflecting after every tour really helps us make each tour even better. And we're six weeks, five weeks away from our eighth tour, and it's gonna be epic. It's gonna be amazing. It almost feels like a vacation.Brad Crowell 14:38  A little bit more time-condensed, so we're a little over three weeks, but we're at doing almost 19 stops. So that's, that's intense. Lesley Logan 14:46  Three of them include Canada.Brad Crowell 14:48  Yeah. So we're, we're doing our best here to get to do our first international tour. I mean, we are going, so. Lesley Logan 14:55  We're going. Just so you know, these tours also are a huge investment. There's a reason why we have a sponsor with Balanced Body. They really help us actually be on the road for that long because when you're on the road for that many weeks, you're having three plus meals a day on the road. All that adds up money, the gas, depending on what state you're in, is insane, right? So there's that we do. We try not to use a hotel at this point because we have the van, the investment we've made in the van, you know, to make it so we can live in all of that kind of costs money. And so there are things that have failed on tours where, like, like, those stops that haven't made money or haven't, haven't, had been canceled, but having a sponsor that allows us to, like, really be on the road for that long, so that we can do these stops and we can see all of you, but to get to Canada, we're investing thousands of dollars to make it happen.Brad Crowell 15:41  Yeah, had to pay an attorney to help us with paperwork and it was like. Lesley Logan 15:44  Because you can't just work wherever you want to work. You can't just do that. So we're super, super excited to be one of the first people that actually do a big Pilates event. There have been other Pilates events in Canada. I don't want to discount those ones that are happening in Balanced Bodies in Montreal.Brad Crowell 15:59   It's like, it's the thing that's exciting about this is it'll be our first international tour. Lesley Logan 16:03  Yes, yes. I know people are like, when are you going to do a European tour? So I used to think it was like two years away after what we're doing for Canada. You guys, I gonna tell you right now, that's a five year plan. Because, like. Brad Crowell 16:13  Yeah, we so we're thinking about, how could we do this, you know, in Europe and Australia. Because, like, eventually for us, that's the vision. We want to go see those places. We want to spend the time, I think, for us to drive around Australia, to do it right, it's going to take us five to six weeks of driving, like, that's a lot. Lesley Logan 16:28  And we're going to have to rent a van there. We're certainly not going to take one. I was thinking about put some magnets on it. But also, there are actual laws about what we can do, and we don't do these things quietly. So, so if you live in Australia or Europe, and you want us to do tours there, you should definitely reach out. We keep a list of people who love to host. And we do need hosts. These tours, they happen when there's hosts. But also, and that goes for anyone in the States as well. You can actually put your place on there. But also, we're gonna need legal help, because, like we're talking immigration attorney help, which is not cheap, by the way, very expensive, so that we can actually do these things. So what we thought would be like in two years, I'm realizing, is probably a few years in the making. But we want to make this happen. We want to be part of it. That's why we're actually telling you the behind the scenes on how these tours work. So opc.me/tour is where you go for tickets, but opc.me/host is where you go to apply to be a host. Okay, so funny stories about the dogs. First of all, we used to do these tours with three dogs. Brad Crowell 17:29  Three. Lesley Logan 17:30  And then Gaia's last tour was Summer Tour 2024. Brad Crowell 17:33  Well, her first last tour. Lesley Logan 17:35  Her first last tour was Winter 2022. Brad Crowell 17:38  So, was it winter? Lesley Logan 17:40  Oh, yeah, Winter Tour 2022. Brad Crowell 17:42  It was Winter Tour, you're right.Lesley Logan 17:43  And then it was, her first last tour was Summer 2023 then her second last tour was, was winter 2023 and then. Brad Crowell 17:52  Her actual last tour was Summer '24. Lesley Logan 17:53  You guys, before we started, she, you guys, she did not want to go. We were, the van was loaded up, the boys were in it. The boys, because the boys, once we start loading the, putting stuff up to load in. They are like, in the van. Brad Crowell 18:03  Yeah, they do not want to be left behind, so they're sitting in the van watching us. Lesley Logan 18:07  It is hot as fuck outside. And they're like, no, I need to be in the van. I'm like, okay, but the doors are wide open. I can't be in the van. And they're freaking out. They're, they're just, you know, very nervous. And she, so we have the whole van loaded up. The boys are in the van. We go Gaia, and she comes and looks at the door.Brad Crowell 18:22  She comes out onto the front porch, stares at us. Lesley Logan 18:26  And she goes back inside. Brad Crowell 18:27  Turns around and goes back in the house. She's like nuh-uh.Lesley Logan 18:30  And we forced her, we forced her to go on this tour. And she was at this point, sleeping 20 hours a day, just anyways, she was having a hard time with her back legs. We're carrying her everywhere, which we've been doing the last two tours. Brad Crowell 18:41  And we had to lift her in and out of the van. Lesley Logan 18:42  Lift her in the van, and then, okay, so on this her on her final, final, last tour, she had an accident in the bed, and that was really unfortunate, because we're on the road now. We've got a dog, but that has to get washed. We don't always have time for a, like, a wash and, like, I don't know what you call this, like a fluff and fold. So I'm in Kansas City teaching a class, and while I'm teaching, Brad leaves to go bathe her. So he finds a place that he can bathe her, and he has to leave because it's hot out. He has to leave.Brad Crowell 19:12  So the timing of things, we have a very tight timeline. Lesley Logan 19:16  He leaves the car running with the dogs in the van and the boys. Brad Crowell 19:20  Wait. So, hold on. You're teaching the class. You're teaching the workshop. I have, literally, I have 90 minutes to get up and out, find a place, turn it around, wash the dog, get back. Right?Lesley Logan 19:34  Yeah. So he pulls up to this dog place. Brad Crowell 19:37  Well, the first one I pulled up to, it says on Google Maps that they have a thing in there to wash them. They don't. And I was like, are you, are you kidding? I just wasted 10 minutes coming all the way over here, and you don't have what I need. Lesley Logan 19:49  Yeah, so, so then he now has to go the next one, right? So he goes to the next one. He leaves the car running because it's hot out. It's like 90 something degrees. He leaves it running. And the boys are in the passenger seat, watching Brad take Gaia into the van. They're not okay with this. The pack is not together, somehow, though, while he's washing Gaia, so she's in this tub. Brad Crowell 20:10  So they're in the van, I'm in the store. But the the van's running so that the AC could be blasting. And August. Lesley Logan 20:18  Pressed the window button. Brad Crowell 20:19  He goes to the driver's seat, and shoves his nose, but he touches, he steps on the window button, and the window goes down, and sure enough. Lesley Logan 20:27  Jumps out. Brad Crowell 20:28  Two dogs jump out of the van. Lesley Logan 20:29  And they go up to the store, which has those doors that open by themselves. Brad Crowell 20:32  So before that happened, I'm in the back of the store, and I'm washing Gaia, right? She's covered in shit. All of a sudden, up at the front of the store, I hear, oh no, oh no, right, and this now there's multiple people yelling oh no. And then this lady's running down the store, and she's yelling, hey, sir, sir, I think your dogs just got out of the van. I'm like, holding the hose, and it's one of those timer things. So, like, I'm like, all right, I guess I'm gonna have to get more of that once I figure this other thing out. So I throw the water that's already it's still coming out. I just throw it and like, I'm like, Gaia, you stay. And she's looking at me, like, how could I possibly go anywhere? Right? And so I'm running out towards the van right at the same exact time the double doors of this big dog store open, and both August and Bayon come running into the store.Lesley Logan 21:21  Yeah, they ran into the store. So thankfully, they ran into the store and not, like, down the street. I don't even know what we would have done. At any rate.Brad Crowell 21:28  Yeah, I was, like, I was, because there was a parking lot. Like, there was hundreds of cars. It would have been terrible. Lesley Logan 21:33  Yeah. So they ran into the store, so Brad has to get them. Brad Crowell 21:36  So now I got all three dogs in the back, in the dog washing area, because I'm like, screw it. You guys are with me now. We're just gonna all hang out here. Finish washing Gaia. I blow dry Gaia down. And they were like, hey, can we get you a leash? Because the leashes were in the van. It wasn't like that, you know, so, and I was like, that would be so helpful. So they helped me, like, get the dogs on a leash. And, you know, we troop out of it, and everyone's happy because, you know, the dogs came to be with the pack. Lesley Logan 22:04  Yeah, so. Brad Crowell 22:06  Oh, and then I had to zip back just in time for the end of the workshop so that I could do the raffle. Lesley Logan 22:10  And I'm like, wrapping up this workshop, and he's not there. And I'm like, where the fuck is he? Because I can't, I don't know what I'm raffling off like I had to check people into this next thing. I had no idea this was going on. Anyways, oh my God. So this tour we. Brad Crowell 22:24  Chaos. Lesley Logan 22:25  This tour will be not chaotic. Future tours will not be chaotic because we have one dog. Brad Crowell 22:30  Yes, he's very chill. He just wants to lay next to you.Lesley Logan 22:33  He's very chill. Just wants to lay down. He wants to just be there. So I think it was so this is where we're at. No more shenanigans. Real easy. Roll in, roll out. You guys. We have two tours this year. We have a summer tour in the West Coast, into Canada. Please tell your friends, come make a trip out of it. We're doing some really cool cities. We're going to places you're going to want to travel to, and obviously, East Coast, the South check our Winter Tour list. And if you are living anywhere in the world and you want a tour stop, feel free to go to opc.me/host but opc.me/tour get tickets for you and your friends.Brad Crowell 23:06  If you want a tour stop, meaning you would like to host us, go to opc.me/host. If you would like information about the tour itself, go to opc.me/tour.Lesley Logan 23:16  And all of the classes and workshops are for all levels, so your friends and your family can come. These are not made to be only for teachers. There are CECs for the teachers. And again, our headlining sponsor for these next two tours is Balanced Body and Contrology. Oh, and now we have a contour kit, because we're bringing a Reformer, a mat and a Spine Corrector, so you guys can try those things out.Brad Crowell 23:40  Not a chair? Lesley Logan 23:41  No, we didn't buy the chair. Brad Crowell 23:42  Oh, I thought we did.Lesley Logan 23:44  No, we talked about that. Brad Crowell 23:44  All right, failed. Well, that's fine.Lesley Logan 23:47  I would love another chair. But we discussed that. Brad Crowell 23:50  It is big. It's just a lot.Lesley Logan 23:53  We discussed it. It was not the right thing to buy it until the van's more set up,Brad Crowell 23:58  Yeah. So anyway, come try out all that fun stuff. So what would you say would be a Be It Action Item for this episode? Lesley Logan 24:06  Oh, just go buy a ticket to our upcoming tour, because you're gonna have the best time. You're gonna be in community. If you feel lonely, or if you feel burnt out, or if you feel exhausted, then you come on this tour and you, I fill your cup. I prioritize you, I answer your questions. You get to see people you pass as two ships. You get to maybe meet up with people you had no idea love Pilates the same way you do. These literally bring people together. And it doesn't matter how you started Pilates, how many years been doing Pilates, if you teach who trained you. I don't give a fuck. Being in community is the be it action item. It's important.Brad Crowell 24:45  Cool. So my Be It Action Item is when it comes to projects like this, don't be afraid to make changes after you've decided this is how it should work, right, because, for example, if we didn't sell tickets to a spot why are we driving there, right? And that's a bummer, and that's frustrating, but you have to be able to be fluid enough to make changes in the moment when something isn't working or isn't making sense, or not necessarily in the moment, you have to catch it, you can assess it after the fact and do the post mortem, right? For example, from the Summer Tour '24 to the Winter Tour '24 we decided you clearly shouldn't be teaching nine days in a row. That is not healthy, right? So therefore we put a hard stop six days maximum on the way out to Philadelphia. We only taught one stint of six days. Everything else was five, four days in a row before we took a day off on the way back from Philadelphia, same thing, we only had one stint of six days because we were making adjustments and making changes. So, yeah, but I still agree with you that you should come join us because of community. It is so important, especially now with our virtual world, with loneliness being higher than it's ever been, with social media not helping any of us actually function in our own lives. Even though we've been sold this story that somehow it's gonna connect us better, it fucking doesn't, and it's just making us lonelier. So what we're trying to do is actually bring together people in real life, so that we can support each other and be around each other, because we need it. So we would love to meet you, come join us on these tours. Brad Crowell 26:22  Yes, all right, loves, until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 26:25  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 26:27  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. 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What started as a holiday workaround turned into a nationwide tour that's touched hundreds of lives. In this behind-the-scenes episode, Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell share the unfiltered origin story of the OPC Tour. From cross-country van trips to pandemic pivots, their journey proves that big dreams are built on small, intentional steps. Tune in to hear how messy action, community love, and a little bit of stubbornness made it all possible.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How a simple book tour idea inspired a cross-country Pilates tour.Their first cross-country drive and unexpected Instagram interest from fans.The rough logistics and lessons from their 2019 tour across 8 cities.How COVID-19 disrupted plans—and why they still bought a van anyway.The importance of staying persistent and evolving with each tour.Episode References/Links:OPC Summer Tour - https://opc.me/eventsBalanced Body - https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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We wanted to bring the community together, and we wanted to get across the country. Lesley Logan 0:09  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:52  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast with Brad as my guest. Brad Crowell 0:56  What? Who is here? Lesley Logan 0:57  Have we actually done it where you're my guest?Brad Crowell 1:00  Maybe. I mean, I've been on a couple of episodes where we've had, like, a group with some guests, but, like, has it just been you and I on them? Lesley Logan 1:07  But you're also, no, I don't think so. Brad Crowell 1:09  Maybe this is, I'm making a debut, people. Lesley Logan 1:11  All right, so here's the deal. We actually have to, like, do this as if I was introducing that episode, so that there can be an ad break. Brad Crowell 1:18  All right, go ahead. Lesley Logan 1:19  Hey guys. So today's episode is gonna be a little different, because, yes, as you heard, Brad's on the show, and we're gonna be talking a bit about the tour, and I thought it'd be really fun for us to actually take you back in the history of like, how the OPC tours started, why we do them, and just have some talk about the tour this week, because we're coming up on our eighth tour.Brad Crowell 1:40  I can't believe it's been eight. That's like mind blowing, actually. Lesley Logan 1:43  We're crazy people. Brad Crowell 1:44  Maybe a little bit, maybe just a little bit. Lesley Logan 1:46  Okay. So, Brad, do you remember when we did the first tour? Do you remember how the idea came to be?Brad Crowell 1:52  I do remember how the idea came to be. So you and I were in a coaching group, and there was another couple in the group who had written a book. They were very excited about this book, and they wanted to go around the cities and do a book tour launch slash hosting workshops while they were effectively selling their book. Lesley Logan 2:11  Yeah. And we were like, well, how can we go on a book tour? Because, I mean, yes, I have a book, but I didn't want to, like, go on a tour about the book. I was like, that doesn't really, I don't know if that's something I could do all the time. We're like, what if I, like, what, how can we go on a tour? And then, because you were a touring musician.Brad Crowell 2:25  Right, as soon as I, as soon as I heard them say that, and we started talking, I was like, we could just teach Pilates classes as we drive around on a tour. Like, hello. So obvious. Why did we not think of it before? Lesley Logan 2:37  The year, so we need to go back a year before that, Brad. So the only reason we actually thought we could do a tour in 2019 was because in 2018 I put my feet in the sand and said, I'm not flying home for the holidays. I'm not doing it. I love your family, but I can't do another flight. We've already done 150,000 miles of flying. I've been everywhere, and I hate flying at Christmas time. And also, for some reason, guys, LAX to Philly is almost impossible to find a nonstop flight. It's impossible to find a nonstop flight from Las Vegas to Philly, and so you have to fly red eyes, which is annoying because it's four and a half hours, not six hours, so you're not getting any sleep. And then you land there, and it's 11am somehow, and you're like, how?Brad Crowell 3:22  Yeah, you land at seven, by the time you get back to the house, it's 10:30, yeah, I mean, it's.Lesley Logan 3:26  Annoying. Brad Crowell 3:26  Not great. Lesley Logan 3:26  Anyways. Also, the last time we flew in 2017, I did finally fall asleep. And then, of course, the lights come on and they're like, is there a doctor on the plane? And I was just like, if they land this plane, if someone is not, of course, I want people to live. I'm not an asshole. But also I was finally asleep. So anyways, because we had done a cross-country tour. Brad Crowell 3:50  Trip. Lesley Logan 3:50  Trip, trip, in 2018. Brad Crowell 3:51  We just, we just rented a car, let's just go east, basically. And we didn't have an agenda other than we just had a couple of friends along the way that we were interested in seeing and saying hi to, and that was it. Lesley Logan 4:05  Just kind of based on, like, how many hours we thought, like, together we could drive. And, okay, that gets us here at night. And, oh, we have friends in St Louis. Okay, we can go here. So we have this tiny little car with the two dogs, and we drove. Brad Crowell 4:17  And we rented an SUV. But I was like, oh, you know, I don't need a, I don't need like a huge Tahoe or Chevy Suburban or anything. We could just get a regular SUV. It was so small, y'all. Lesley Logan 4:28  I don't know how they can call it an SUV. You guys, it was like, no, this is not an SUV. If you put a family of five in there, you couldn't have the groceries in the car, like it was so small. But anyways, it was just the two of us and the two dogs. And when we were on this trip, I was like, posting on Instagram, and this is before you really used Instagram for business, but I was posting like, oh, we're here. You know, I feel like, are you teaching here? And I was like, oh, people want us to teach here. I didn't know people would want your class on the holidays. So this had happened in 2018. Brad Crowell 4:56  That's right. Lesley Logan 4:57  Fast forward to October of 2019, and we are hearing this, and we're like, well, how can we do, so we had the, we knew.Brad Crowell 5:04  Kind of like had like I, like, we, we'd been prompted by our members from OPC, but that didn't actually turn into like we're going to do this tour thing next year, until this other couple was talking about their book launch, you're right. So, that was like, the second step to push us, if we're, like, to make it happen. Lesley Logan 5:21  Yeah and because we knew we could do the drive. Brad Crowell 5:22  Right, because we just done it the previous year, and we drove, you know, we drove both ways, you know, back and forth. Lesley Logan 5:28  Yeah. So we actually did the posters on the wall. I should have grabbed it for the visual, but we did, like, eight or nine cities, actually, we did on the very first we did Las Vegas. Brad Crowell 5:37  So that was 2019. Lesley Logan 5:39  We did Las Vegas, Denver, we did. Brad Crowell 5:43  Did we do St Louis? Lesley Logan 5:44  I don't know that we did St Louis. We did, no, we did Libertyville. So we did outside of Chicago, and then we did, like, some other ville, like, which was outside of Cleveland, but not Cleveland. Brad Crowell 5:55  Yeah, it was close to Cleveland, though. Lesley Logan 5:57  And then we did Lehigh Valley. Brad Crowell 6:00  Right, yeah, it was like, basically Bethlehem. Lesley Logan 6:03  And then we did Nashville, and then we did Atlanta. Brad Crowell 6:06  Oh, we did Nashville? Lesley Logan 6:07  Yeah. Brad Crowell 6:08  Oh. Lesley Logan 6:08  It was huge, like, 30 people, and that's why it's so, and people were like are you in Nashville, you guys are not, like, ever since then, not such a great follow up, you guys are not great. Love you. We want to go, trust me, we want to do Nashville. Um, then we did Atlanta, and then we did Austin, and then we did Phoenix. Brad Crowell 6:28  Geez, I don't even know how you remember these things. Lesley Logan 6:30  And then, I know, and then, and then, I don't know that we considered it part of the tour, although very much was. It was in January, we did Redlands, and then the world shut down. And then, so our first tour. Brad Crowell 6:46  We did Scottsdale. It was the last stop. Lesley Logan 6:48  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We did this really cool place in Scottsdale. Brad Crowell 6:51  Yeah. So I actually just pulled up the list. You nailed it, Vegas to Denver, to Chicago, which is Libertyville, to Cleveland, which is Strongsville, your second ville.Lesley Logan 6:58  I said it was another ville. Brad Crowell 6:59  I'm so impressed. Then Lehigh Valley, which is Bethlehem, and then Nashville, Austin and Scottsdale. Yeah. I am impressed. Lesley Logan 7:06  And then there was like, this little post tour stop in Redlands, which was not part of the tour. We added it in after the fact, but it was so fun. And it was like the true die hards, you know, the people who know the band before they make it to Coachella. It was like.Brad Crowell 7:20  Scottsdale was insane to me, that people even came out. It was like, negative 4 million degrees hot, and we had an outdoor venue. Lesley Logan 7:28  It was New Year's Eve. It was New Year's Eve at an outdoor venue. Brad Crowell 7:32  We literally had, like, it was, like, every three mats, there was a space heater, and everyone was like, oh my God, it's so cool. We're doing Pilates outside on January 1st. What are we doing? Lesley Logan 7:40  We all got warm enough, and it was super fun. And it was so great. Brad Crowell 7:44  It was so fun. Lesley Logan 7:45  It was sold out. It was such a great spot. And people, like, came from Canada, there, it was just like crazy. So, at any rate, it was so much fun, and we wanted new, we knew we want to do it again, but then, of course, the pandemic happened. But here's what got to happen, guys, so the pandemic happened, Brad and I still drove across the U.S., but we thought. Brad Crowell 8:01  I was just looking at the ticket sales, we had 133 tickets sold on that first tour.Lesley Logan 8:07  On the first tour, yeah. But we did that with a Tahoe, by the way. Brad Crowell 8:11  What, the second tour? After the first tour.Lesley Logan 8:15  No, no, we went to the Tahoe for the first tour. We went to the Tahoe. Brad Crowell 8:18  2019 yeah, you're right, yeah, because we knew that the tiny little SUV wasn't going to cut it, especially because we were bringing, like, stuff, and it was gonna be a little more of a robust tour. So we rented a Tahoe, and that was fine-ish, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't ideal, though, because, like, there was no real, yes, you could lay down on the back seat. We had this, the back, the middle seat was laid flat, but like, you know, it wasn't comfortable trying to sleep in the passenger seats sucks, like.Lesley Logan 8:45  Yeah, and also, you guys, we also, because we're going to places where we had clients, it wasn't necessarily places where we had friends, and so we were getting hotels. We had a hotel in Denver. We stayed in the financial district. Brad Crowell 8:57  Oh, I forgot we did. Lesley Logan 8:58  And then, in Libertyville we did stay at the host, like, basement, but Gaia had an accident. We're like, my God, we can't stay in people's houses, because Gaia's old. At any rate, it was really fun, and we, like, did it, but then with the pandemic, we obviously couldn't do it again. But what we did do during the year of 2020, was we actually bought the van, and because we knew we wanted a tour vehicle, and thank God we bought it, even though we weren't going on tour that year because they wanted to pay us what we paid for that van, like people were like, clamoring to get that van off our hands. But we got the van, you guys, we took it across the country in less than 48 hours. We drove from Las Vegas.Brad Crowell 9:34  That was 55 on the way home. Yep, 55 hours solid, from Philadelphia to Vegas. Lesley Logan 9:39  We, but on the way there, I don't think that van ever really stopped, because we tried to sleep in Vail on a mattress on the metal base of this cargo van. Brad Crowell 9:50  So okay, so here's what this looks like. We buy a cargo van. A cargo van is an empty box on wheels. Okay? And we bought the longest and the tallest, so it's 23 feet long, it's nine and change tall. And it's a big, it's a big, empty box. Lesley Logan 10:07  We've loaded it up. We have pictures of you and the empty box. Brad Crowell 10:09  The only thing that we did was throw things on the floor. There was nothing else in there. We literally had a mattress with six blankets on it, right? And then we had boxes and suitcases. Lesley Logan 10:21  Everything had to be tied on the walls. Brad Crowell 10:23  We took our, we took our, this is so fun, we raided our own laundry room because in the laundry room we have one of those wheelie situations where you could throw your dirty laundry, but then you could hang clean laundry up at the top. So I took that out of the laundry room, and I zip tied it to the wall of the van, bungee corded it to the wall of the van, and that became like, how did we store? How did we do our clothes, you know? So, like, that was our closet. Lesley Logan 10:49  It was crazy, because then we were driving back with all these boxes, I just felt like everything was gonna fly on us. Anyways, so, Erika Quest shout out to Erika Quest, she had a dream about us the night we were sleeping in Vail, because we're in the Walmart parking in Vail. So we pull into this Walmart parking lot in Vail, and I'm in the bed. Went into the six blankets. We got the three dogs. You're under the blankets. It's great. It's actually fine, because, like, we blasted the heat. Everything's fine. Brad Crowell 11:11  I mean, it was cold, like cold in your face, but it was like the mummy bags when you went camping as a kid. Lesley Logan 11:16  Yeah. So, so great. So anyways, we're halfway through the night, we're sleeping so good and then August stands up to turn around in the bed, and he basically just twists all the blankets off of us. And in that instant, you and I both were awake. Brad Crowell 11:29  I was so angry. Lesley Logan 11:29  And so angry and so cold. Brad Crowell 11:30  Because I had just gone to sleep. It was midnight when I pulled in, and then I was literally asleep for two hours, and then he pulled all the blankets off of all of us by twirling around. And I was so frustrated about it, and it was eight degrees out, and I was like, screw it, we're just gonna continue to drive to Denver.Lesley Logan 11:47  Erika Quest had a dream that night that we were cold. She had a dream that we were really cold. And I said, well, you don't have to worry, because Brad drove us to Denver, where it was a little bit warmer. Brad Crowell 11:56  It was 30 degrees in Denver, it was so much warmer. Lesley Logan 11:58  So much more tolerable to sleep in. At any rate, we, like, got across the country, and people are like, oh, I wish you were doing the tour. And it's like, yeah, well, it's COVID. It's very unsafe, we cannot do it. But we were able to plan how much driving is possible. What do we want to do, and how we want to do this. And then, we did in 2021.Brad Crowell 12:14  We suppose, oh, that was '21. Lesley Logan 12:17  Yeah. So then, 2021, we were vaccinated, we were ready. We planned this whole tour, but we planned a small one. It was actually, I don't think it was as big as our first one, because. Brad Crowell 12:28  No, it was only like. Lesley Logan 12:30  Seven cities or something like that, because we, we, I think our first stop was going to be Pennsylvania.Brad Crowell 12:34  It was Philly, New York, like, city, Atlanta, Miami, Dallas. We were talking about Providence, but we postponed it, so it was only five. Lesley Logan 12:45  It was really small. And we actually had to cancel Philly and New York City, because along the route, I was exposed to COVID. I didn't know that I had it. And thankfully, someone texted me, and everything was going crazy at the time that variant came up. So we still did the tour. It was quite small. The (inaudible) happened and. Brad Crowell 13:03  We have way more time at my parents house than we normally do.Lesley Logan 13:07  A lot of time it was super fun, but we knew we're like, like, we want these tours to be a thing. And I ought to share this with you, because when you're being it till you see it, way of doing things, this is how long goals can take. Brad Crowell 13:17  2018 was our first cross country drive. 2019 was the first tour, 2020 was canceled. 2021 was, was. Lesley Logan 13:25  Was already going to be a smaller tour, because of the pandemic. Brad Crowell 13:29  It was five stops max. Lesley Logan 13:31  And by the way, every stop we picked were like huge spaces that's why they were picked.Brad Crowell 13:35  Yeah, we actually picked large rooms. Lesley Logan 13:37  Huge spaces. The Philly one was like softball, baseball, indoor practice arena, it was like 3000 square feet.Brad Crowell 13:42  I think they only started vaccinating people a couple months prior. Lesley Logan 13:45  No, this summer we got vaccinated. Brad Crowell 13:47  It was the summer, yeah. Six months.Lesley Logan 13:49  Yeah, so, but there was the booster, and then there's the thing. Anyways, because it was the holidays, we wanted to be conscientious. We want to make sure people felt safe. So we're like, these studios are massive, and we're only filling half the spaces. So at any rate, we really kind of got sidelined on that first half of that tour, but we got to do it. We got to do the second half, and we got to do Miami, Atlanta and Dallas, but then we were able to meet up with Balanced Body in the march of the next year. We got to tell them what we were doing. Got to get them really excited, and that's when we actually got to actually start to make our tours even bigger and better and add the Summer Tour.Brad Crowell 14:25  So that was tour number four. Lesley Logan 14:27  Tour number four was our first Summer Tour.Brad Crowell 14:28  It was the first with Balanced Body. That was the first Summer Tour. And we've been telling Balanced Body about these tours from the beginning. Lesley Logan 14:35  October of 2019, I told them what we were doing, and Ken and Al were like, oh, can you put a Reformer in that van? Anyways, all this to say this was like years in the making. And we'll, and next episode, we'll actually go into a bit about, like, why we work with a sponsor, what our tours have like become because they are bigger. They used to be, like, two weeks long, eight cities, five cities, and then they became 14 and 18 and 22 and and now we're getting like, 800 people to come and some amazing things. Lesley Logan 15:05  I want to wrap this up with some, be it action items, because I think that that's what is really important. So you'll do some, Brad, I'll do some. We never get to do, but that's, this will buy me time, because I didn't prepare you for this. One of the best things I could say is take a note of when those little things go, oh, I want to do something like that, even if you're like, wow, that's crazy. Why would I even think of that idea? It's such a crazy idea. Pay attention to those crazy nudges and then make it something that's possible to do now, because a lot of people come with an idea, oh, I'm gonna go on a book tour and I'm gonna have sponsors, and have this, and have this. We literally had like, two prizes. We had no sponsors. Brad Crowell 15:44  Yeah, I think, I think you might have got called Toesox and, or, you know, like.Lesley Logan 15:48  Yeah, I called Toesox and Carbon38. Brad Crowell 15:50  And we just said, hey, can you give us some socks? That was the cool thing. We want to do a giveaway. Lesley Logan 15:55  We didn't have any paid sponsors. We didn't have local vendors coming through. We did not make anything bigger. Brad Crowell 16:01  We also didn't even know that that was what we should turn into. It was more like, initially, it was an excuse to not fly and drive across the country, and then it grew. And each tour became more complex. Lesley Logan 16:16  I think the Be It Action Item was like, don't over complicate something, just try the smallest version of the idea out that has the intentionality of what you want. We wanted to bring the community together, and we wanted to get across the country. And the original tours basically paid for the gas.Brad Crowell 16:32  Not even exaggerating, they paid for the gas. And the one hotel that we stayed at. Initially, that was the vision. It was literally like, how do we pay for gas? Oh, let's teach a class. Great. We made $200 on it, let's pay the gas.Lesley Logan 16:45  How do we make sure the holiday trip is a write off? Let's work a few to have, you, technically it's some work 50% of the trip, and then it's a write off. So make sure you talk to your accountant. But anyways, so my Be It Action Item is do the least complex version of the idea and see if you'd like it. Because each time we did the tour, we'd get from like Philly to Nashville in a night, that was insane we're like we're never doing that again. Lesley Logan 17:09  Like Texarkana or something weird. I remember that. Lesley Logan 17:11  Yes, and we've like 12 hours to get from Nashville to there. Brad Crowell 17:14  We drove 14 hours in one day. That was brutal. Lesley Logan 17:17  Yeah, that was brutal, because we had to teach so, so we learned from by making it not complex, we actually got to learn a lot more. That's really helped us. You'll hear about how the tours have changed. What's your Be It Action Item?Brad Crowell 17:28  Okay. So my Be It Action Item, with that, I was gonna say take messy action but I mean, that's, we're pretty famous for that. I think that persistency, you know, like we didn't know the studio owners that we were trying to teach at? It wasn't like we were calling our friends in random cities and being like, hey, can we teach there? We started just reaching out to people and saying here's what our idea is. Is this of interest to you? And it was because we were persistent that we even found a location. Because I remember it was like, No. It was like, oh, okay, all right. Well, I guess this is the wrong location. No problem. We'll find another. Because for us, we knew, okay, this is the right stop, you know, this is approximately when we would want to be stopping driving for the day, when we should be teaching somewhere near here. How do we find a spot? You know, and working backwards, there's some logic there. But also we still have to find the people. We still have to meet the people, and then we have to be creative with the marketing. I remember at first we were like, We don't know anybody in Libertyville, Ohio. How can we, you know, connect with people, or Strongsville, Ohio, sorry, yeah, you're right. And I remember we started using Instagram hashtags to just hunt down Pilates people in the area and just leave it in voice notes, like. Lesley Logan 18:45  That was very, we were very persistent. You're correct, very persistent. And then I think, just to tack onto that, and then we'll wrap this up, because we'll tell you more on the next episode, not being afraid of rejection. One of the things we had to do was, like, you're gonna have stops turn you away. Like, no, I don't want to do that. We had people go, why are you doing that? They were like, really sketchy about us. Brad Crowell 19:04  We just had it happen yesterday with our eighth tour coming up, where someone you know was like, actually, this is the wrong time of the year for my clients. So no, he's like, oh, okay. Lesley Logan 19:14  It's not personal,. All right, loves. Well, stay tuned for how these tours have gotten to be bigger and even better and better for you, and better for my sleep and all those things in our next episode. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 19:29  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 19:31  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 20:13  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 20:18  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 20:23  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 20:30  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 20:33  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Who doesn't love an Indiana Jones flick? The excitement of the search for treasure, the trepidation before the unknown, and encounter with long-buried stories. At Tel Maresha and Beit Guvrin – UNESCO World Heritage Sites – we will uncover the underground city and its caves, tunnels, and chambers – and share the stories of the archeological excavations and the Dig for a Day program. Join us for an adventure above and below ground… and bring your fedora. And this time – we will host a special guest – Dr. Ian Stern of the Israel Antiquities Authority and Haifa University – the archeologist responsible for the excavation and one of the founders of the Dig for a Day program. Links for Additional ReadingA Dig Full of Holes, Sara Jo Ben Zvi (Segula – The Jewish History Magazine, September 2023) Beit Guvrin National Park Israel Nature and Parks Authority Israel Museum Receives Stone 'Letter,' Etgar Lefkovits (The Jerusalem Post, May 7, 2007)Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, and LinkedIn!Find more at j2adventures.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of Fuck Yeah Friday, Lesley Logan celebrates women who boldly show up with integrity and kindness, from LSU Coach Kim Mulkey's empowering game-day gestures to community wins that prove how taking action creates momentum. Hear how Mindi and Stacey turned outreach and side hustles into real success, and why Lesley's personal win is a powerful reminder that protests can build purpose and connection.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Why Kim Mulkey's baby gift tradition is bigger than sports.How Mindi turned a bold move into business momentum.What happened when Stacey took action outside her comfort zone.How protesting became Lesley's unexpected win.Episode References/Links:Kim Mulkey @femalequotient - https://beitpod.com/femalequotientMindi Westfall - https://bendymindipilates.comMindi's Closet - https://www.instagram.com/mindis_closetIf you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:48  Hi, Be It babe. Hello, happy Fuck Yeah Friday. If this is your first time with Be It Till You See It podcast, hi, I'm Lesley Logan. I'm so happy you're here. I'm really excited about just, literally, the amazing reviews we're getting, and how many people who've been guests on this pod love this pod, so that flatters me, but that means that you're here because someone told you about this. And so, thank you for being here. And on Fridays, we keep it light, we keep it bright, we keep it short, and we get to the point, because you have a lot going on, but this is supposed to be just a moment in your week when you just take time to realize what could be wins, what could be inspiring, that there are things out there always happening for us, right? Lesley Logan 1:24  So I start this off with something that inspired me on the internet, and then I share some wins that you sent in. I share a win of mine, and then I leave you with a mantra. Boom, we got four chapters. Lesley Logan 1:33  So this particular one that caught my eye, this is actually the second time this one's caught my eye. Her name is Kim Mulkey. She's a coach for LSU. You're probably like, Lesley, I got it. And if you don't listen to sports, then you might not know. But she got my eye a week ago, and I didn't put it in the FYFs because it's kind of just miffed me. But she, you know, she's talking about how she lost in one of the March Madness things, and she's like, oh, it's bad. And he goes, well, yeah, I mean, you lost. And she's like, well, have you ever made it to Round Eight? And, you know, anything? And he's like, no. She's like, well, then sounds like we did pretty much better than you. I just like that she clapped back. So I was like, ah, like, this woman, she's spicy. Anyways, this came across that she brings baby gifts to every coach on opposing teams that she's playing against who are expecting. And because ultimately, she believes, like we're on the same team. And I think it's so cool that this woman can take a moment outside of the competition to go, I see you mama over there. And here's a gift from me, because the reality is, is like, all these different women who choose to have children in their life, and they want to do that, and they want to coach, and they want to, at this elite level, they need their team. And so I just think that it's really cool, and what a badass she is. She claps back at stupid reporter questions, and she takes the time before a game to go and give the opposing coaches, this is like, there's multiple videos of her doing this, not just one coach, opposing coaches on other teams who are expecting, a baby gift. And I just think that's cool. You know, I'm not a mama, but I think that's really amazing. Lesley Logan 3:00  So now let's go to some wins of yours. By the way, my team really tries to link in the show notes these posts, if you actually want to see them. They exist. Okay, so from Mindi, Bendy Mindi, and also Mindi's Closet, she went, Pilates On Tour here in Colorado was an incredible for my clothing biz. Because of that, I will be able to go, be going to the Chicago P.O.T. in October. I love combining my passions and meeting so many wonderful people in the process. Thank you, LL and Brad, for your continued support and encouragement. You guys, it's really easy to go, oh, that thing that I want to do that could grow my business is actually an investment I can't afford right now, and be afraid to make that, and then also to make the investment, and go, ooh, I just did it. Only how's it gonna turn out? But not only did she do it, took her, you know, she felt the fear, and she did it anyway, but she actually had such a success. We're at a booth right next to her. We got to watch how successful the event was. And as someone that we get to coach, we actually got to talk about, okay, how do you make this win propel you to the next event? And that's something we work on in Agency, because it's really easy to go, oh my God, I got all this like, I got this windfall, and then spend it on places before you reinvest in your business. We did this with our flash cards. It was really easy for us to support her on. So we'll get to have a booth next to her in October in Chicago, and she gets to continue to grow this amazing side business she has. It's really inspiring to others. I'm actually currently wearing one of her shirts. She actually made it for the OPC team. Look at how cute that is, if you're watching, how cute that is. So cute. Anyways, go Mindi. So excited. Lesley Logan 4:25  Let's get you another win, you guys. This one is from Stacey Extence. She says, my wins after encouragement from LL. I did something I've never done, sent a message to people I know in my area via Facebook Messenger. I sent my flyer for a fundraising event I'm doing for CCP, inviting them to join. I got several responses from folks who I wasn't expecting. I'm receiving their email so I can include them in future announcements. Got my flyer printed and we'll place it in the studio tomorrow for the fundraiser, and began planning my open house after having a wonderful call with Mindi. I love how community works together, you guys. Received some great advice and ideas to base my open house on, had my annual mammogram. Woohoo for self-care. One new client who's been attending my beginner series weekly is new to Pilate and is loving it. She messages after each class letting me know how thankful she is for giving Pilates a try. She also wants to stick with my classes. And one new beginner, semi-private client, was the only person in class last week. I did a pivot during the session because of her tight hamstrings. I proved my knowledge about the session by focusing on strengthening and lengthening her back line. At the end of the class, she inquired about privates, hoping I can talk her into adding those into her schedule. Woohoo. I love that you did that pivot so that she could see the power of what can happen when things are tailored to her. I love that you call your annual mammogram a win because it is. Ladies, we gotta do these things. Thank you for reminding me to set mine up. I also would like to just say, like way to do the thing that feels weird. You DM people you didn't know. You email people you didn't know. These are the things that people don't do because they get scared of it, and you did it. And I promise you, even if those people don't return those emails, you're, you're telling the energy around you. I am accepting new clients. Look at the space I'm creating, look at what I'm doing to tell people who I am and what I rock at. So Stacey, that does work itself out, I promise you, it always, always does. It works in like, mysterious ways, which I love. Thank you for sharing, ladies. Lesley Logan 6:14  All right, a win of mine. So actually, this is a really fun one. I was just talking to Brad before I got to record this, and I was like, okay, I need some wins. And one of the wins that we wanted to share with you guys is that we have been protesting and having fun doing it. We don't have control over what the dickheads are doing in this planet that are fucking with like everything and excuse my language, but even if you don't agree with me on a lot of things, I think what we can agree with is I'm worried about my parents retirement. I'm worried about my family's retirement. I'm worried about that, right? Like I'm worried, I'm not worried about mine, because I'm not retiring anytime soon, but I'm worried about the people who it affects right now. And I can call and I can email and I can bitch and I can moan, or I could do something, and what I can do is on a Saturday protest, and so we actually went to our first protest in April, and it was really fun, and we've been doing it ever since, and it feels good. I highly recommend finding a protest near you, because it feels good to shout out the thing that is like pissing you off and to be around people who are also equally pissed off, but more importantly, not in a way that you're just like being Debbie Downers and just being negative, like actually doing something about it, because we can't take them out of their jobs. So what can we do? And it's really important, because it's helping people feel so seen people who don't have the ability to protest, people who who are being affected like they are, like seeing people fight for them, and that gives them hope. And I think it's really cool. Also, we told people we're protesting, and we ran into other people who we know, who we didn't know were going to be there. So we end up having a wonderful afternoon, spending time with our friends, who are all usually too busy to see, doing something that didn't cost us anything but our time, right? It didn't cost us money. We had to buy a ticket. We didn't have to go to a fancy dinner. We actually got to walk around a neighborhood, really bring attention to things that are bothering us. And so I am so excited that we got to do that, because it just felt like, you know, in 2016 when these were happening, I was traveling so much, I didn't get to participate in that. And then I remember when these were coming up, I was like, I don't even know how to do this. Like, where do I go? So I was doing a lot of research on, like, what to bring to a protest. What can you say? All these different things. And I highly recommend reading those accounts if you want to do it. But I will just say, if you are feeling like you don't have community, find a protest, you will immediately feel like you have it. It was so good. And that is my win. Lesley Logan 8:21  Okay. Your mantra. I seek out mystery in the ordinary. I seek out mystery in the ordinary. I seek out mystery in the ordinary. You guys, you probably are like my days are boring. No, seek, like, be curious about that. There's probably something new you never even knew was there. Thank you so much for being you. Thank you for listening to this podcast. You are part of its growth and its success, but the more it succeeds, the more it means we can bring to you to support you on your journey of being the person you want to be before waiting for someone to deem you. At this podcast, we do not wait for someone to deem us ready, we act as if we are and we do it scared, we take messy action and we celebrate the wins we have big and small, right? We celebrate them big and small. And so thank you so much for being a listener, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 9:10  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 9:53  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 9:58  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 10:02  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 10:09  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 10:12  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. 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What happens when growth isn't driven by hustle, but by intention? Lesley and Brad unpack Launa Jae's take on emotional self-awareness, authentic evolution, and what it means to truly live in alignment. Tune in for a refreshing take on messy action, redefining success, and practicing what you preach. This recap reminds you that progress can be sustainable when it comes from self-trust.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! 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You can't change everything about yourself all at one time. You have to pick and choose and go, okay, well, what can I do here? Like, if you look at BJ Fogg, if he's like, I'm frustrated because I'm working on this project and I'm not sleeping enough, so I want to sleep better. He actually was like, okay, how, what are all the different ways I could sleep better? Well, he's not going to do all of those things. He, actually, to make a habit, had to go what are the three easiest things of what I just came up with that I want to do, and then how can I do that? Lesley Logan 0:26  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:09  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the hilariously intentional convo I had with Launa Jae in our last episode. If you haven't listened to that one you've missed the fuck out.Brad Crowell 1:21  You totally missed out. Lesley Logan 1:22  It's so good. I mean, we're two good friends, so that's always a fun conversation to be in. But also, she just has the most hilarious way of putting things in a way that just makes you stop and take it all in. And we are just obsessed with her. So anyway, Brad Crowell 1:36  Yes, 100%.Lesley Logan 1:37  If you're not following her on Instagram, you are missing out, because her stories are my favorite. Every morning, to this day, she still does good morning to everyone except and it's something, and then there's other people who also do this and tag her, and so she reposts theirs. And then I just die laughing. So anyways, you gotta go follow her. Gotta go follow her. I promise you, it's really great. And she gives great tips and great hacks on gaining protein in your life, because all, y'all ladies over 40, it's a fucking feat to get enough protein every day. Brad Crowell 2:04  And if you're watching YouTube, I'm wearing a shirt you referenced. Lesley Logan 2:08  Oh, that's so funny. What a great timing.  Brad Crowell 2:11  Yeah, punch nails, I'm sorry, paint nails, punch Nazis. Lesley Logan 2:14  We should have that guy on the pod. Brad Crowell 2:16  We should have that guy on the pod.Lesley Logan 2:17  Yeah, we should send him.Brad Crowell 2:19  We'll work that out.Lesley Logan 2:20  His name, I think, is Jonathan Gregory or Gregory Jonathan, it's one of those handles that I'm like, he must have gotten famous after he made this weird handle. So, yeah, I gotta get him on. Okay, let's get back to, (inaudible) first we're going to talk about how today is June 5th, my dad's birthday.Brad Crowell 2:35  Oh, it is your dad's birthday.Lesley Logan 2:38  Brad. He's like, oh my God, all these days. It's like, this person's from the reality TV show day. I'm like, how does that person have a day and I don't have a day?Brad Crowell 2:45  It was Veggie Burger Day, and at the same exact day, Sausage Roll Day. I was like, did they do that on purpose? I think they did.Lesley Logan 2:52  I think Launa Jae would agree that you could have a veggie burger or a sausage roll. If you are doing your protein, right, you can. But today is Happy Birthday, Dad. You are 73. Way to go. But it's also World Environment Day. This day urges all of us to protect our natural surroundings. The stunning facts, an estimated 7 million people die each year from causes related to air pollution, with a majority occurring in the Asian Pacific region. This day encourages worldwide activism that means everything from littering to climate change. World Environment Day is both a global celebration and a platform for public outreach. You guys, plant plants that are local to your freaking place. That is one of the best things you can do. You know, it's really great, because in the water, we live in Vegas, we are increasingly aware of our water, what plants we have. On windy days, you got to go out there and pick up the trash, like, take care of the world around you. It's really hard when you think about, like, oh my God, the global warming. I can't, we can't fix everything, so you got to at least get your neighbors on board. How much water are you using? How much are you planting? How much trash are we throwing away, you know.Brad Crowell 3:54  Yeah, get rid of your grass in your front yard, you don't need it. Lesley Logan 3:56  Yeah, get rid of it. Also. It doesn't even absorb water. There was a whole episode on the Love It or Lose It odcast years ago about how actual grass is not trapping water. So that was news to me.Brad Crowell 4:09  Yeah, you know, Lesley Logan 4:10  Educate yourself on little things you can do.Brad Crowell 4:12  Well, it's a hill that the city of Vegas is dying on. They enacted a law that says you have to, by 2026, I think all front yards have to be non-grass.Lesley Logan 4:22  Yeah, we got a neighbor, you guys, their grass is so green all year long. And it is infuriating to me. It's infuriating to me. First of all, when I walk the dog in the morning, though the sidewalk is soaking wet because of how they water, and how they water is why their grass is so green. And it's not like a little yard. It's like a full on eighth of an acre of grass. It's perfectly green.Brad Crowell 4:42  I know exactly which house you mean. Lesley Logan 4:43  Yeah, oh, yeah. And because they water so much, there's something wrong with their sidewalk, it's literally slippery. You can literally slip while walking. And I'm just like, I can't wait till this grass is gone. I'm going to report you. January 1st 2026, first day I see that grass. My neighbor has grass.Brad Crowell 4:59  I don't know if it's Jan. 21 or Jan. 1st, but, yeah.Lesley Logan 5:00  I'm gonna be that Karen. That's the Karen I'm gonna be. Brad Crowell 5:05  That's the Karen (inaudible). Lesley Logan 5:06  If you got fucking front yard grass, I'm coming. Anyways, these are the things we can do and educate yourself on your water usage, but also, just like what you can do in your environment, you know, we all can't drive electric cars. All that, it's not, don't worry about the things you can't do, focus on the things you can. And it actually feels really great. Okay, oh, we have events. You guys, we're going on tour. Brad Crowell 5:27  Yeah, we got a lot going on. Lesley Logan 5:28  You'll hear more about that soon, but the tickets are already for sale, they've been on sale for a couple weeks. And it's a huge Summer Tour. It's not a small Summer Tour, it's a huge Summer Tour. But the spaces are limited, because when you go to cities on the West Coast, what you will learn, like some places in the northeast, is that rent is hard and expensive, and so spaces are small, which means space is limited. So you want to get in on this tour and snag your spots and the classes and workshops before they sell out, opc.me/events.Brad Crowell 5:55  opc.me/events Lesley Logan 5:56  Also, I really think our tour shirt is epic.Brad Crowell 5:59  It's a really cool tour shirt. I'm very excited about this.  Lesley Logan 6:02  This is my new favorite thing. I look up tour shirts from other things, and then I tell the team do this. And I don't think anyone notices what I'm doing, but I know what I'm doing. And then in September, you guys, we're going to be in the U.K. Leeds only has a few spots left. Essex, we actually opened up the opportunity to do day spot. So you can either do the full day Tuesday, the full day Wednesday, you want to go to opc.me/uk and again, also, not very many spots. So if you do the full weekend pass, or two day pass, you get six workshops, two classes. But if you do the day pass, you get three workshops and a class. So you want to snag those spots. We're not coming back for quite a bit, not because we don't like you, just. Brad Crowell 6:43  Don't know when. Do not know when. . Lesley Logan 6:45  Don't know when. That's how the world goes.   Brad Crowell 6:46  Last time we waited two years. Lesley Logan 6:49  Yeah. Also, before summer tour and U.K., I'm hosting a workout and a Q&A session for teachers, this is for Pilates teachers who are interested in my mentorship program. We are more than half sold out at the time that we are recording this. In fact, like, not, there's actually not a lot of spots in next year, but we're going to.  Brad Crowell 7:06  Yeah, there's literally, there's less than nine spots left.Lesley Logan 7:09  Yeah, so less than nine spots. And we're gonna have.Brad Crowell 7:11  I say that because I'm talking to a handful of people, and there are currently nine, and I think they're going to be booked, so. Lesley Logan 7:17  Yeah. Yeah. So here's the deal, go to lesleylogan.co/elevatewaitlist to get on the waitlist to get the information about the free class and the Q&A session. If you are someone who wants to take the class and ask questions, that's gonna be great. If you're someone who's like, I want in on this. I don't want to wait. Well, you know how to hunt us down, because that's clearly how it's filling up behind closed doors. But lesleylogan.co/elevatewaitlist this is for comprehensively trained teachers who want to not freaking talk so much, be in imposter syndrome, over work themselves out, all the things, yeah, come and join us. Okay, Brad, your turn. Brad Crowell 7:53  All right. So I'm very excited to make this special announcement. We have decided to bring back Agency Mini.Lesley Logan 8:01  I know you guys, this is really exciting. We said, no, it's done, and it was, and it, actually, the Agency, Mini, you know, and was very loved.Brad Crowell 8:09  It's still done. Lesley Logan 8:09  It's still done. This is a, this is a new Mini, new and improved. Brad Crowell 8:13  This is a mini Mini. Lesley Logan 8:14  It's like, it's a, it is a mini mini. An M-I-N-I M-I-N-I mini Mini. And that is because we took all the, all the things people loved about Mini, and got rid of all the things people didn't love about Mini. So no more Facebook groups, no more seven days. No more overwhelm. This is a three-day Mini. You're gonna get a workshop on day one. You have homework on day two. You will have a office, a group call on day three, there's like couple extra days of replays you'll have some access to, and that's it, and it's (claps) awesome, quick.Brad Crowell 8:47  Easy and effective and really exciting. What we're going to be digging into is some of the foundational marketing things that you need to know on how to attract your own clients. Like, how do I attract the right clients for me, clients that actually want to work with, clients who pay me without complaining, clients who show up on time. How do I do all of that? Right? And we're going to dig in. I cannot wait. This is one of the, one of the favorite topics that Lesley and I have spoken on over the years.Lesley Logan 9:13  And if, even if you're like, oh, I slay at my marketing, if you don't actually help the clients you want to be teaching, or people who treat you or making the money you want to make, you need to be at this Mini, because we're going to actually fill in the holes. We're like, oh, I didn't do that. Oh, that's the thing. It's going to be amazing.Brad Crowell 9:28  Yeah. So by the time this comes out, I think we're still on the waitlist, believe it or not. So it'll be.Lesley Logan 9:34  The early bird will be opening, like, in the next week or two, so you probably want to go to prfit.biz/mini, to get on the waitlist, and or if it's open, you'll see how to buy in right there. It's going to be in July, the middle of July, before we take off on tour, and it's going.Brad Crowell 9:47  Early bird is 25 bucks. So don't miss it.   Lesley Logan 9:50  Yeah. Don't miss it, because we don't want you to actually pay the full price. That's why we have the early bird. We want you to plan ahead.Brad Crowell 9:54  60% off. Lesley Logan 9:55  Yeah, I love how we did this out of calendar order today. But you know what? It keeps you on your toes.Brad Crowell 10:01  What? Lesley Logan 10:02  Well, we started with the tour, which is after Mini.Brad Crowell 10:04  Oh yeah 100%. We did. Lesley Logan 10:06  Anyways. But for sure, at the end of this year is Cambodia in October. You guys, if this is your first time hearing about this, and you've never heard about how amazing our retreat in Siem Reap is, it's amazing. If you have heard us every single week, you know it's amazing. And if you're like I really want to do this, come, come, come, come. I know everything is crazy and uncertain. Let me just tell you right now, the flight prices to Asia are the same, whether you buy them today or six weeks before. Why? Because people have done that. Want you to go to crowsnestretreats.com to snag your spot because the small group, we're taking a very, very small group this October, we want you there, and it's going to be such a great time to just get rid of all the chaos and be in the coolest place in the whole world. Brad Crowell 10:45  It's so true and it's so cool.  Lesley Logan 10:46  We've been to a lot of places. Brad Crowell 10:47  If you want to deep dive on that, go back a couple weeks and there's some solo episodes from Lesley and from me about our love for why we do this trip, all the things. So dig in on that. All right. Well, before we get any further, we had an audience question. So @emilyanahata from YouTube asks, hey, how do I know which chair is the right for me? And I'm assuming she's talking about a Pilates chair. What are some questions I can ask myself to get a better idea? Thank you. And I am going to jump in. I'm just going to say, traditionally, you want a chair that has four legs, right? And then maybe a seat. That'll be good. That's the kind of chair you want. Those are great questions. Doesn't have four. You might be able to get away with three, but I don't think two is going to cut it.Lesley Logan 11:30  No, yeah, the three, that's more like a stool.   Brad Crowell 11:34  That's a stool. Lesley Logan 11:34  Yeah. Okay, so this is really great. And actually, she followed up with some really interesting questions, which is, like, she's heard that, like, should she get a Split Pedal EXO Chair? She did this. And so I actually followed up with like, are you a teacher? So here's the deal, what I know is, I'm gonna answer this in two ways. If you're a teacher, then you actually should get the Chair that best suits your style of teaching. And what I often see teachers do is they get a Chair that they can afford versus a Chair that was designed for their self-teaching. If, so Emily's not a teacher, so the Split Pedal, if you were trained to teach on Split Pedals, if you like to teach on Split Pedals, then get a Chair with Split Pedals, because you'll be annoyed that the pedal doesn't split, it doesn't do what you want. But if you are not trained on a Split Pedal, then the Split Pedal is actually going to be frustrating, because it's going to feel different, sound different than what you're used to. And Emily's not a teacher, so then it's just going to be confusing, and then she won't use a Chair without having been trained on how to use the Chair. And I want people who love Pilates to have access at home to equipment that they want and they can use, and it's not confusing. So this is not a knock against Split Pedals EXO Chairs. Obviously, we know and love Balanced Body. We are, we have affiliate links with them. We are dear, dear friends with the founders, and we are sponsored for the tour. So get that if you want to use it, but if you are just like, I want to get stronger. I want to work on my posture. I want to work on my strength. My suggestion is going to be the Contrology Chair because without seeing you, Emily, the dimensions are great for every body, no matter if you're big or small, hyper mobile, tall or short, the pedal angle is just really great.Brad Crowell 13:11  It's also very solid. Lesley Logan 13:12  It's really solid. Brad Crowell 13:13  You're not gonna have to worry about it, like, you know.Lesley Logan 13:15  And it's super, it's not confusing. You don't have four springs to choose from. Like, I find that if you are not trained as a teacher on that equipment, it becomes confusing. If there's lots of spring choices, it's two springs, three hooks on either side. Really easy to figure out what you need to be doing. But for anyone listening, having a chair that's right for you, the easiest answer is like, I just love a Contrology, I love a Contrology Chair. You can stand on it. I could put a heavy person on it, I could put a tall person on it. It's gonna be great. Put a short person on it.Brad Crowell 13:40  I did a handstand on one.Lesley Logan 13:42  Yeah, you totally did it, and it was fine. But questions to ask yourself are, is the pedal angle gonna be appropriate for the height and flexibility of my hips? Right? Is the top of the chair big enough to support my full seat? Can I lay on it on my front? Can I lay it on my back? Does the Chair feel sturdy if I stand on top, if I go to step on top of it does it feel like it's sturdy? Some of these Chairs are really light. I've seen some interesting ones now that are floating around that are a few 100 bucks. I worry about the weight of the body. I'm not talking a larger body. I'm talking like just any body. So some questions to ask yourself, are like, can it withstand the weight of my body standing on it, and then can I adjust the springs tension so that it meets me where I am, or is it like kind of the same spring tension, whether you use like, if you only have one or two? So anyways, those are some things to ask yourself, but always happy to give you my links, you guys, to anything that Balanced Body makes, and that's our Contrology line as well. Brad Crowell 14:37  Yeah, awesome, well. Lesley Logan 14:39  I just want to say I love that she's gonna get herself a Chair, because everyone's so fucking obsessed with having a home reformer. And then they're like, I need it to fit under my bed. And it's like, uh, no, if you have a small space, get a Wunda Chair, get a Spine Corrector, get a Two by Four, get a Sand bag, get a Ped-o-Pull. So many things you can get yourself, and then you could go take a Reformer at a studio, right? Okay. Brad Crowell 14:58  I dig it. Well, look. Stick around. We'll be right back. Lesley Logan 15:01  Oh, Brad, hold on. Brad Crowell 15:02  What? Lesley Logan 15:02  You guys, we have a link for you guys to submit your questions, because some of you have been like, how do I submit my question?  Brad Crowell 15:08  Yes, we do. Lesley Logan 15:08  Where do I submit them? And it is. Brad Crowell 15:10  We totally do. Lesley Logan 15:12  beitpod.com/questions you can also send. Brad Crowell 15:16  beitpod.com/questions plural. Lesley Logan 15:17  You can also submit your wins. There's a spot whether it's a question or a win. So, beitpod.com/questions with the s at the end and then send it. Brad Crowell 15:25  Yeah, submit your wins. Submit your question. Lesley Logan 15:27  Yep, anything, anything goes. Sometimes it doesn't have to be Pilates-related. Anything goes.  Brad Crowell 15:30  Good job. Good remembering.Lesley Logan 15:31  Let's talk about Launa. Brad Crowell 15:33  Stick around. We'll be right back, because we're gonna talk about shit and rainbows in just a minute.  Brad Crowell 15:38  Okay, welcome back. Let's talk about Launa Jae. Launa is a Dallas-based nutrition and fitness coach who specializes in helping people get unstuck without feeling restricted. What does that mean? She is an anti-diet coach and a food freedom expert for high-achieving women. She's passionate about helping others make progress, stay accountable and create sustainable results in both health and in life, and she's hilarious, like, hilarious.Lesley Logan 16:09  She's so funny. That's why the shit and rainbows come from. Also, she, you could even listen to her first episode being on here. Like, there's just so many things that she says, and her descriptive words are perfect. So one of the things that I love that she said is negative emotion is literally just an indication that you're out of alignment with who you are in your true inner being, experiencing debilitating negative emotions that led to stress, and then that led to physical illness. And then she realized a common denominator in all of them was her. So she was prioritizing her to-do list over her well being. So she would wake up, check emails and prioritize her to do list and not like what she needed. And it's so fun to see her. She's obviously switched this. And so you can actually see it in her Instagram if you follow her, she's like, well, I'm at the gym. Didn't want to be here, but I'm doing the workout even though I didn't want to be here, because she's prioritizing herself, right? She's making sure she gets what she needs. And so after doing all this, she was able. I love the self-reflection. I think that's really hard to do, so I love that she self-reflected, and then she concluded that these negative feelings signaled a disconnect between her actions and her authentic self. So who she was telling people what to do for them themselves, and then what she was doing for herself. When we're when we have that dissonance, our brain doesn't like it. It is overwhelming, and we get resentful, and that's negative, right? So instead of just brushing off us having a bad day, she used those feelings as signals that something was out of alignment. And I think it's really cool, if you can figure out in your day and in your life, like, oh, when I feel like this, it's like a little yellow light, hello. This is a sign you're out of alignment. You guys, at the park that I walk the dog at every 30 minutes. This voice comes on these speakers. Brad Crowell 17:41  It does? Lesley Logan 17:42  Yes. Brad Crowell 17:42  At our park? Lesley Logan 17:43  Yes. Brad Crowell 17:44  Like, over the loud speakers in the park? Lesley Logan 17:45  Yes. Brad Crowell 17:46  That's like, creepy.Lesley Logan 17:47  So fucking creepy. It's a little bit like in South Korea when I crossed the street when it was a red light, and this Korean voice, like, came out of nowhere. And I was like, I don't know what you're saying, but I could, like, in the U.S., I could cross the street right now, no one's coming. Anyways, this voice goes, dude, it's like, do-ding-do and then she goes, da-da-da-da-da. She, I don't know what she's saying, but the point of this whole story is, like, find something in your day that can be a sign that, like, oop, I've stepped over the line of being out of alignment. And it could go ding-dong-ding-ding-ding-ding. Brad Crowell 18:22  I don't really know what's happening right now.Lesley Logan 18:23  Listen, let me finish. Let me finish. You are out of alignment. You haven't prioritized yourself. Brad Crowell 18:29  Like an elevator chime.Lesley Logan 18:30  Yes, like an elevator chime. And then like a lovely. Brad Crowell 18:33  You are out of alignment. This, to me, is like a sci-fi movie where it's like, welcome to the ground floor. And then, like.Lesley Logan 18:41  You, Brad, you said you wanted to cold plunge, and you have not done that yet, turn around, go back in there, take care of yourself first.Brad Crowell 18:51  You will hate yourself later if you don't cold plunge now.  Lesley Logan 18:54  You're gonna complain later and Lesley is gonna roll her eyes, you know. So she found her way of understanding that she's out of alignment. We all need a little flashing light, elevator sound, woman in the park. I wish I can tell you what she's saying.Brad Crowell 19:07  Woman in the park coming at you with surround sound. Lesley Logan 19:11  Yeah, it's really rare. It's really weird. It's probably saying you're not supposed to be here right now.Brad Crowell 19:14  I know, right? The park doesn't open until 6:15. Lesley Logan 19:18  A park opens when the sun rises and I'm there before it so clearly, it's for me, anyways. Brad Crowell 19:22  All right, so here's what I really dug. She's talking about urgency culture, and I found that an interesting term, because if it's culture, that means we created it, right? It's also it's learned. I reflected a lot about this, like, wow, there is a sense of we're only here on this planet one time. So I get that, like, driving, like, gotta get things done, you know, kind of a vibe. But also, too, I think if you look at the difference between the United States and Europe on on how people work, you know, we work 40 hours a week. We never take vacations. We work when we're sick, all these kinds of things that are way different from a mentality, from a cultural perspective, the idea of urgency culture kind of scares me. That's not an exciting thing to think about. It also made me reflect on how caught up am I in that myself? Lesley Logan 20:14  Oh, yeah.Brad Crowell 20:15  This idea of never taken any time off or constantly working. You know, we're just listening to one of our coaches, Brad Bizjak.  Lesley Logan 20:23  He's gonna be on the pod soon, guys, stay tuned. Brad Crowell 20:25  Awesome episode coming. Really excited about that. We were listening to one of his episodes on urgency and the importance of leaving yourself time off as well. So anyway, all this being said with Launa Jae, she said, hey, we've created this never ending to do list, and it's stripping us from the human connection, from enjoying our day to day, from being present in the moment. It is funny. It's like we've decided we can, you know, be, quote-unquote, this efficient, so we can do these amount of things every day, whatever those things are, right? If you're working for a company, they always tell you schedule 80% of their expected work time, because 20% will something will get in the way, and they won't actually be able to do all the things. But we still packed in that 80% right. When we are thinking about our day in that manner, it doesn't leave any room for life to be, like, to happen, and also self-reflection. And I think that's the, when she's talking about stripping us from the human connection, enjoying the day to day, from being present in the moment. You know you have to reflect on the things that are happening to you. Like, for example, I mean, I wasn't in in the best physical, like, well-being on this day trip that we took, but we changed altitudes. I opened my water bottle and it exploded all, literally, all over my lap. So, like, and it wasn't a small amount of water. I was literally sitting in a puddle of water. And, like, I'm driving. You know, that could have been hilarious, but I was upset about it. I was, like, really frustrated.Lesley Logan 21:54  I started to laugh at the background. Brad Crowell 21:56  You did start laughing. Lesley Logan 21:56  Because we have done this before. So to me.  Brad Crowell 21:59  I had no idea we changed altitude. It wasn't like a thing I could check, but the realities that happened, and instead of it being funny, it was frustrating because I'm like, I have to drive, I have to do this, and I'm trying to take a drink of water, and then boom. And instead of appreciating the hilarity of the moment, I didn't, you know, when Launa Jae was talking about this, she explained, we're constantly rushing to complete tasks and focusing solely on our to-do list, which is stripping us of being present and by being intentional about what we're doing. Right? So this intentionality she's talking about then, why are we doing what, what we're doing while we're doing it, it'll help us be more present in the moment. So now she's limiting distractions. She's trying to be in the moment more. And the number one thing she said is especially because she works in social media, the number one thing she said is just limiting those notifications and hiding her phone that allows her to stay present, stay in the moment, be having a conversation and thinking about the conversation she's having. Instead of constantly being interrupted, even if you're not necessarily addressing it, you're still processing it. Your brain is still processing it in the moment. So I like that she's prioritizing peace and laughter. You know, I think those are great things.Lesley Logan 23:10  Yeah. If you're a high-achieving person or an ex athlete, or any of those things. I think it's so cool to listen to because we're all human. You can't change everything about yourself all at one time. You have to pick and choose and go, okay, well, what can I do here? Like, if you look at BJ Fogg, and he's like, I'm frustrated because I'm working on this project, and I'm not sleeping enough, so I want to sleep better. He actually was like, okay, how, what are the all the different ways I could sleep better? Well, he's not going to do all of those things. He, actually, to make a habit had to go what are the three easiest things of what I just came up with that I want to do? And then how can I do that? So that's how he talks about how you can make changes in your life. And so if you want to be more present, what are all the different ways you'd be more present? Well, one of the things is to limit the notifications in your phone, because you're less distracted, right? So I think it's just a really cool you can start to see yourself in different things that Launa is explaining, and then you might be able to address it as well. I got an ad for a phone booth, a phone box. It's, it's really beautiful wood, but I would it's, it's.Brad Crowell 24:08  What are you? What is it? Lesley Logan 24:09  It looks like, it kind of looks like a hobbit door, you know, like those old, how like in Harry Potter.Brad Crowell 24:16  Oh, you put your phone in it? Lesley Logan 24:17  Yeah, and you open it up, and there's these little slats, and it could fit six phones, and then there's a hole in the back for a charging cable to come through. I looked at it as, like, well, how much is this phone booth? Because that's kind of cute. Like a place we could put our phones. We were not distracted. Like, it's a cute little box. I mean, you could probably you could probably just put them in any kind of box, you guys, because first of all, it was $75 I was like, I'm out on that. Second of all, you still have to put the cord through. So the like, to me, the box should just charge my phone. So when that happens, then I don't want to have to find more cords over the cords. But at any rate, find a place to put your phone if you want to be less distracted.  Brad Crowell 24:51  Love it. All right, stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk about those Be It Actions with Launa Jae. Brad Crowell 24:56  All right, so let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Launa Jae? She said, hey, being where you are, 10 toes down. First time she said it, I understood what she said, but it took me a minute to like process it. Again, she's talking about really being present. She said, wherever those toes are, that's where your focus needs to be, right? She shared how this quote became a daily anchor for her to stay grounded in the moment instead of rushing from one task to another. I'm here, 10 toes down, right? It's a cool little phrase that allows you to be like, oh yeah, remind myself to be in the moment, to be here. She said it helps her stay present and ask herself, why am I doing the thing that I'm doing right now? Why am I doing this? Right? I'm here, so my 10 toes are down here. Is this where I should be? Why am I doing what I'm doing? Right? She also emphasized the importance of being intentional about your time and reflecting on the time that you're spending in different places. So she said this kind of purposeful focus gave her the space to reflect, process her emotions and communicate more clearly, especially in moments of stress. So, good for her. I think it's a cool little phrase. 10 toes down. She's good at those, yeah, like the horse pill without water. Lesley Logan 26:16  She also said to stay curious everything can teach you more about yourself. I think this is so key, because we might not like how we react to things, we might not like how something is going, but we could be curious about like, well, why don't I like that? Well, what's going on there? And there's so much information out there in this world today that you could probably figure out, like, well, what is that saying? And like, what's going on? And so I think just everything, even the things we don't like, can teach us more about ourselves. In fact, I actually think the thing things not going right, things not going well, things that blow up in our faces, like, they all kind of teach us a little bit more than like, when everything goes really well, if everything is good all the time, you kind of often don't know as much about yourself. So want to also encourage us to create awareness around where we are and get clear on where you want to go. So maybe take a second of like, okay, I'm going to this meeting. The goal of this meeting is X, Y and Z. This is why I'm going to this meeting. This is what I want. And then have some clarity there, and then be 10 toes down and reminded us that grace and consistency go a long way. That is very true. It actually is really hard to pick yourself up quickly if you're beating yourself up. The teams in sports that do the best, don't focus on yesterday's loss. They focus on the goal of today. You know, as they learn from yesterday's loss, they watch tapes, they take feedback, but if they're beating themselves up over a wrong turn or a bad pitch, they're going to take that with them into the next game, versus going okay, today's game is to beat this team, and this team is really good at x, y and z, and when I'm up against that, this is what I know because you learned about yourself. So it all goes together, and grace is and is going to help you be more consistent, for sure. And she also said there's going to be really hard days but what matters most is what you do with them. And I think that's such a good reminder.Lesley Logan 27:53  You know, Launa Jae, you're so fun, you're so fabulous. You guys, I think you're going to really love listening to her episode. If you haven't listened to it already. Also go back into the archives and grab another episode out of her if you really enjoy what she's saying and follow her, because her stories are really fun.Brad Crowell 28:08  Yeah, her first time on the pod was episode 53.   Lesley Logan 28:12  Whoa and what episode is this? Brad Crowell 28:15  533 Lesley Logan 28:16  So she is, that's.  Brad Crowell 28:18  Almost 500 episodes. Lesley Logan 28:20  No, that's like 53 and three. She's 50, episode 53 and then 533. There's another 50. Launa, go play the 53 at the lottery, I think. Brad Crowell 28:30  Awesome. Well, thanks for joining us today.  Lesley Logan 28:33  I'm Lesley Logan Brad Crowell 28:34  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 28:35  Oh my goodness. I was like, okay, Brad is gonna wrap this up, but that's not how this goes. You guys know what to do. Leave us a review. Make sure you tell Launa Jae, like, what your favorite takeaways were, what maybe your favorite quip is, and share this with a friend who needs to hear it like, who needs a pep talk, who needs to slow down and like, take in how they're doing things and be more present with themselves. That's how this podcast grows and until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 28:57  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 28:59  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 29:41  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 29:46  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co. Brad Crowell 29:50  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi. Lesley Logan 29:58  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals. Brad Crowell 30:01  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. 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Episode 2653: Vinnie Tortorich and Chris Shaffer discuss choosing a different way to be by living a strong and healthy life, gut health, and more.. https://vinnietortorich.com/2025/06/a-different-way-to-be-episode-2653 PLEASE SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS YOU CAN WATCH ALL THE PODCAST EPISODES ON YOUTUBE -  A Different Way to Be It's important to keep inflammation as low as possible. (8:00) Vinnie is focusing on gut health and wonders if the raw milk kefir he's incorporated into his diet helps; he isfeeling better. There is a point at which hyper-focusing on health and longevity detracts from the quality of life, not necessarily enhancing it. (11:30) They discuss several public figures who lived a robust, long life. (13:00) Many people resign to getting older, but others keep going strong for as long as possible. Those examples are people who are choosing a different way to be. Store-bought kombuchas are flavored and have more sugar. (18:00) Vinnie makes his own at home. It's stronger flavored and way less sugary. They discuss espresso and higher-end espresso machines. (23:00) Margarine and other estrogenic products have been discussed with expert researchers like Dr. Anthony Jay. (32:00) Chris reads an article about a “fiber-filled gut trick.” (34:00) It's basically “wood pulp” (microcrystalline cellulose). The number of ingredients, especially chemicals and fillers, in things like bread is insane. Many brands of bread are up to 4 grams of sugar per slice. Be sure to get on the waitlist for the VIP Group--it may be opening back up soon! Follow Vinnie on X @vinnietortorich. More News If you are interested in the NSNG® VIP group is currently closed for registration, but you can get on the wait list - Don't forget to check out Serena Scott Thomas on Days of Our Lives on the Peacock channel.  “Dirty Keto” is available on Amazon! You can purchase or rent it . Make sure you watch, rate, and review it!   Eat Happy Italian, Anna's next cookbook, is available!  You can go to  You can order it from .  Anna's recipes are in her cookbooks, website, and Substack–they will spice up your day!  Don't forget you can invest in Anna's Eat Happy Kitchen through StartEngine.  Details are at Eat Happy Kitchen.  There's a new NSNG® Foods promo code you can use! The promo code ONLY works on the NSNG® Foods website, NOT on Amazon. https://nsngfoods.com/   PURCHASE  DIRTY KETO (2024) The documentary launched in August 2024! Order it TODAY! This is Vinnie's fourth documentary in just over five years. Visit my new Documentaries HQ to find my films everywhere:  Then, please share my fact-based, health-focused documentary series with your friends and family. Additionally, the more views, the better it ranks, so please watch it again with a new friend! REVIEWS: Please submit your REVIEW after you watch my films. Your positive REVIEW does matter! PURCHASE BEYOND IMPOSSIBLE (2022) Visit my new Documentaries HQ to find my films everywhere:  REVIEWS: Please submit your REVIEW after you watch my films. Your positive REVIEW does matter! FAT: A DOCUMENTARY 2 (2021) Visit my new Documentaries HQ to find my films everywhere:  FAT: A DOCUMENTARY (2019) Visit my new Documentaries HQ to find my films everywhere: 

In this episode, Lesley Logan welcomes back mindset and wellness coach Launa Jae for a deep dive into alignment, burnout, and how hustle culture can disconnect us from ourselves. They explore what it means to study life instead of just passing the test, how to identify stress signals before they spiral, and why staying curious can help you reclaim your energy and peace. If you've been doing all the right things but still feel off, this one's for you.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How burnout signals misalignment and what to do about it.Why negative emotion is a cue for curiosity, not judgment.Social media habits that sabotage presence and energy.What it really means to practice what you preach.How to let go of urgency to create space for growth.Episode References/Links:Launa Jae Website: https://beitpod.com/activelifesportsLauna Jae Instagram - https://instagram.com/launajae_Ep. 53: Launa Jae - https://beitpod.com/launajaeGuest Bio:Launa Jae McClung is a Dallas-based nutrition and fitness coach, founder of LVLX Wellness, and creator of the 3F Nutrition Method. With over eight years of experience, she has coached more than 300 women to break free from binge-guilt cycles and restrictive eating, helping them build sustainable, intentional habits through personalized macro-based coaching.Previously, Launa created and led The Active Lifestyle Program for a physical therapy company—building a fully online coaching experience rooted in sustainable habits, mindset work, and lifestyle alignment. She now brings that same real-world strategy and heart to her private practice, supporting high-achieving women in shifting from burnout to balance through clarity, compassion, and empowered action. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:53  All right, Be It babe. I'm really excited about this. It's one of my dear friends who's gonna be on the pod, and mostly she and I were just talking about a couple topics that we were both, you know, interested in ourselves, we're working on with ourselves, and we thought, why don't we have this conversation with you guys? And that's because we're all works in progress, right? I know that you're gonna laugh. I know that you're gonna if you are feeling low, the energy of the two of us together is going to make you feel high. I promise you, you won't get a word in edgewise. And we are fast talkers, so if that bothers you, you know, maybe slow the speed down wherever you listen to this podcast. But, Launa Jae has been on the pod before, so if you have been a pod listener since day one, you are going to recognize her. She always has really good little one liners that just make you go, yeah, that's exactly how I feel. And so I hope that this episode hits you on a day when you need it, and I hope you feel like you have people like Launa and I in your corner going through life with you. We're all doing the best we can. So here's Launa Jae. Lesley Logan 1:54  All right, Be It babe.Launa Jae 1:55  Yay. Lesley Logan 1:55  Exactly, that's exactly how we're coming into this episode. I'm so excited. One of my dearest friends. Launa Jae McClung is our guest today. She is back from episode 52 and I think, I don't know, but last night, I recorded episode 500 and I didn't know I was recording it. I was just like reading the thing. I'm like, this is episode 500, so you might be 552 but.Launa Jae 2:17  Yay, let's go. Lesley Logan 2:18  I mean, if we're manifesting, you know.Launa Jae 2:20  Hey, that's what this whole thing is about, right?Lesley Logan 2:23  Yeah, it really is. So Launa, I mean, you and I go way back, but just in case people haven't listened to the way back episodes of 52 Can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?Launa Jae 2:33  Yeah, I'm Launa Jae. I'm a Dallas based nutrition and fitness junkie. I specialize in flexible nutrition and really getting people unstuck, getting, moving them from point A to point B without feeling like they have to be restricted. And so that opened up the lane for me to meet you. And I just, I've been rocking with it ever since.Lesley Logan 2:57  I just love how the world works and how we get to meet people. And I'm so grateful. There was just certain times in my life where I've just where I've just made some really great friendships, and you and B are one of those, and it's just been so fun. We talked about, like, why you're gonna come on the pod? Like, what are we gonna talk about? And I just wanna address, and maybe this will come up in our conversation, but when you were on the show before, you were still doing what you do, but you were doing it differently than you are doing it now. And I just thought maybe it would be fun to kind of go back into the journey so people can kind of come along the ride with you. Like, what's been going on the last couple of years, since you've been on? You know, with what you can share, with what you can share.Launa Jae 3:32  Yeah, a lot has happened. What's funny is my word for 2024 was growth. Oh, man, did that one hit. Lesley Logan 3:41  This is why I don't pick words, guys, I do not pick them because here's what, okay, don't lose your train of thought, but just so everyone understands. Everyone's like, what's your word? What's your word? And like, I did choose impact for this year. So I did choose a word, because I just got asked so much. But like, when I was a child, my parents would say I need to be more patient, so I'd pray for patience, and then they would tell me, oh, well God's going to test you, because that's what you want. And I'm like, well, then what are we doing here? I don't have the patience to be tested yet. So if I want growth, you'd be ready for growth in all directions. Anyways, back to you.Launa Jae 4:12  I don't even know that, like, even when we feel like we're ready for growth, I don't even know that our human brain can actually process and, like, fathom what it takes to be able to grow, and the uncomfortability and like, the stickiness and sitting in the trenches and all of that, people don't want that when they say, I want growth. They want to come out on the other side this new, shiny, brilliant object, right? But each part is just as valuable to the other part to become who you want to be. And I really leaned into that unintentionally, maybe some, intentionally. So what's been going on since the last time we talked? I joined a company and really kind of put my business on the back burner and wanted to fall in love with coaching again and do less of the admin, all of that. So we worked with that company for about two years, and then growth, right? Growth happened as I got better. I wanted more, and that bar kept getting raised, right? So in December of last year, I started with a new company, so I'm working with a physical therapy company, and I am running their online coaching department. So I'm the Director of Nutrition and Fitness Coaching, literally building this leg of our business from the ground up, and really doing it. I've kind of taken the lessons that I've learned from all of the years and all of the years of entrepreneurialship, and it really kind of like carved its own lane for this, this position to open up for me. I didn't know that it existed. I didn't know that I wanted it, and I just kind of kept being it and not really knowing what I was doing until it came and here we are, so. Lesley Logan 4:12  I think this is so cool. So thank you for sharing, because I know we have a lot of people who are like, oh, I want to work for myself. I just want to do it myself, and then that's scary and that's hard. And you and I have been there, and we've seen the ups and downs, and you, people don't realize when you work for yourself, like, yes, you get to work for yourself, but then when the -ish hits the fan, you work for yourself, and that can be its own thing. And then got to work with someone else and see what that was like. And I think what's really cool is because you had those two opportunities, it allowed you to see this current opportunity as something that was the best of all of it. It was like taking all of your entrepreneurism and everything you know, and then what it's like to be on a team and then make it the best situation for the people you want to make an impact for. I think it's, I think that's just really cool. Launa Jae 6:03  Yeah, it's, it's evolved in a way that I couldn't even have articulated the way that I wanted it to. And really, it all kind of started with me just going within and me kind of, I had to realize, like, I kind of had a couple of aha moments last year, and I, there were like, three specific instances. I remember I had one in March, I had one in the summer, and then I had one in December. And it's like, I don't know. I don't mean to schedule my mental breakdowns quarterly, but it happens like that. Lesley Logan 7:25  I kind of want to know what the signs of the stars were doing. If there was something in retrograde.Launa Jae 7:31  Mercury was in the microwave, Saturn did something and somebody pissed someone off, and it just came at me. But I, I'm a big, I like to know the why behind the what. I'm a very curious person, and I really, as I get to know myself better, I love to pick up on patterns. And, in hindsight, looking in these like three instances that really stuck out in my mind, I got to the point where I was like, what's the common denominator in all of these instances that brought out all of those uncomfortable feelings, so, shit, I didn't want to feel the emotions. Those times where you just have a breakdown and you're like, what is wrong with me? Am I broken? Right? And the common denominator in all of those situations was me.Lesley Logan 8:20  Isn't that like that sucks so much when you realize it?Launa Jae 8:23  It is a giant horse pill to swallow with no water. Lesley Logan 8:28  Yeah.Launa Jae 8:28  And it's like, okay, okay, we're still swallowing trying to digest it. And I was in a situation where I was like, Yes, I can build everything that I want, but I think until you realize what you don't want, you're not very clear on what you do and what you need, the action steps you need to take in order to get there. And so for me, it was a lot of negative emotion, and negative emotion is literally just an indication that you're out of alignment with who you are in your true inner being. And this negative emotion waves, like, kept hitting me, like debilitating to where I'd get sick, I would get stressed out, like, I mean, the whole gamut, right? And the common denominator in the situation was me. I was doing the same thing over and over and over again on the day to day, waking up, checking my phone, doing the emails, hurrying to get through work and all of this, and literally prioritizing my to-do list over my life. And I was spinning my wheels and I was trying to pour from a cup that was like dried out, and I what I wasn't taking the time to make sure that I was okay before I started to give to others. And it's really easy to say, and it's a very simple concept to like, think about right? Like, okay, practice, what you preach. How many coaches hear that in the online space? But I was sitting there having these conversations with clients, and I'm like, okay, we need to work on stress management. It's not something that's magically going to disappear, just like you're not magically going to wake up after a heavy leg day and be good to go and be squatting your butt of, you know? You have certain protocols that you deploy when you overdo it in the gym, right? We got massaging, we got cupping, we got cryo, we got all of these things. When we overdo it in the kitchen, we know we can get back to the basics, protein, fiber, 10k steps a day, drink your water, seven to eight hours of sleep. Let's eat out less. Let's cut back on booze, right? Those things. But what about stress? Lesley Logan 10:38  Right. Launa Jae 10:38  I am so guilty of, just like, having these super high stress moments and these negative feelings and then just expecting myself to magically recover from it without getting in the work. Lesley Logan 10:50  Right, just like, just get a good night's sleep. And here's the thing, good luck getting a good night's sleep. I just, so, we're reading a book right now, and I make a stop it an hour before bed, because it's causing me to have nightmares, not nightmares, but just like intense dreams, where I am the hero of the story, and I cannot save, and Brad is the other character, and I can't save him. And so we're like, Anyways, long story short, guys, if you know, you know. So, at any rate, I had like, eight hours I could sleep last night, and I was like, I'm not gonna need my alarm. Yes, I did, because I woke up so many times because I had this stress dream going on, and I wrote on my journal. I need to figure out how to calm my nervous system before I go to bed. And I wrote that. And I'm like, you know how to do that. Launa Jae 11:34  If I was gonna ask anyone how to do that, I would probably ask you. Lesley Logan 11:39  It would be me. And I was like, you're just not using your tools. You're just not being I do it in the morning because I love a morning routine. I love setting myself up for success, but I am not doing it my nighttime routine. And I'm like, okay, this is do your thing tonight. So tonight I have to go back to my practicing what I preach, which is not just my having a great morning routine, but having a good night one. So I agree with you, we, we have the tools, we just don't have the protocol. And when you're in a stressful situation, it's kind of hard to go. Let me reach I guess the best example is, like, you know, when someone's drowning, I actually tell lifeguards, like, be careful, because a drowning person is likely to drown you because, even though you're there to reach out for help, they're thrashing. So I feel like when we're in a stressed out state, we can't reach for our stress protocol because we're drowning.Launa Jae 12:28  Absolutely and I think those like stress protocols, it's very simple. At the end of the day, right? You're stressed out. Let's get a good night's sleep. Let's do some journaling, some meditation, something that makes you feel good. I don't know, color, dance, read a book, whatever. Do you. Right? Those things that are really, really easy to do also very, very, very easy not to do because of their simplicity. And so it's like, as, as we're adulting and like entrepreneurialship is straight up personal development and personal growth, like you need to work on yourself more than the business, and that's kind of in, in the season that I'm in right now, right, of like, hey, you've neglected yourself for X amount of time, we got to get back into it.Lesley Logan 13:16  Well, and that kind of makes me think one of the things you and I were talking about offline is being a student versus studying to pass the test. I feel like this is an exact answer, right? If you're starting to pass a test, it's like, Yep, I've memorized check these boxes that will bring your cortisol down, that's going to do this, that's going to make you have a good night's sleep. But actually, studying means trying them out, experimenting, seeing if it will work. Is that what you mean when you think about studying versus passing the test?Launa Jae 13:41  Yeah, I think, like, I mean to even, like, parallel that example even more, like when I was going back to those, like, three instances, right? And I was like, wake up, and I'm like, okay, gotta brush my teeth, then I gotta open computers, then I gotta talk, do all of this before anybody talks to me at this time, literally rushing through my day to do the to do list. So then I could chill, and then I could be happy. That's an example of studying to pass the test. You are going through, you are cramming for that exam two hours before it hits. You're trying to memorize everything. And in those moments, life is passing you by around it, right? We are so hyper focused on, is it A, B or C, that we can't even see what's going on around us. That's kind of studying to pass the test, and kind of where I'm calling in, I set a new word for this year, heaven forbid, where I'm kind of leaning in this year is asking more questions, and instead of it being like, okay, well, when Launa gets stressed out, she skips meals, she doesn't do her workouts, and she turns into a raging ditch.Lesley Logan 14:52  Just a little bit. Launa Jae 14:53  Yeah, instead of just putting a period there, this year I'm asking why. What is it? And why am I telling myself, like, here I am another year older, I'm going to be 36 this year. What's up? But, what I'm. Lesley Logan 15:09  It's a good year. 36 is a good year. Launa Jae 15:11  I'm excited. Like, get out of 2035, right? Like, going back, I mean, if we're just doing all of this work just to get to the place that we can chill, we're starting to pass the test. Instead asking why in those moments, like I had a little bit of a mentee be today, this morning, and I was like, oh, I'm gonna have some great examples for this call, but I was sitting here, and I'll just keep it a buck, and I know she doesn't mind, but my other half, B, love her so much. We went and scouted a basketball game, Monday night. It was raining, terrible weather. We got to spend this morning, I go to move my car, and my car window was cracked. It has been raining for three days. It's 7 a.m. and then just more little instances, right? So I come in and I start to feel that negative emotion coming up, and I'm like, look, she is a good human. It was not intentional. She would never intentionally drown your leather interior, right? Like, check yourself, Launa, before you start this snowball spiral effect, check yourself. So I go, and I'm like, okay, I need to, like, stop this, this wheel before it gets really rolling. I'm gonna go meditate. So I turn on my meditation. I go and I sit in this chair, and I'm like, I am light, and I'm like, breathing it, and I'm trying so hard. My dog jumps in my lap, pauses, the meditation turns on a man's voice that's a commercial about buying some car this year with a low APR. And I lose it. I'm trying to do something good for myself. Lesley Logan 16:54  I was only laughing because I have been there. You're like, I'm meditating, I'm meditating, and it's like, what are you doing? I'm just trying to meditate.Launa Jae 17:05  And it just started this whole breakdown. And instead of me being like Launa last year, would have been like, I probably would have gotten in a fight with B it had nothing to do with her, and I would have just sat there, probably cried, gone and done another workout, which would be even worse for my body stress response, right? And would have left it at that, said, okay, cool, I'll try again tomorrow. Instead, this year, I'm trying to go deeper, and I'm trying to ask the why behind the what. Why was that one thing triggering me? And after unpacking it and being more, taking more of a student approach to what was happening, pulling myself out of it, I started to notice that there were common patterns, right? I was feeling like, okay, I've been doing this, this, this and this, and making sure everyone else is taken care of and okay this week, and I'm not getting that in return. And so instead of me getting to that point and be like, B, you're not giving it to me or whatever, I unpacked it more. And really what it was, and what it all stemmed down to, is I was giving my energy away this morning and this week before, I was filling myself up and making sure I was okay, I've gotten the habit of getting on social media first thing or opening emails, and I wasn't taking that time. So in these situations, literally, I had like, five or six situations this week where it was the common theme, again, I'm the common denominator, right? And so it was because I just wanted to be appreciated and like, hey, I see you. You're doing great, but all of these negative things came in, and if I put a period on it, instead of asking a question, after that sentence, there would be no growth. It would have been studying for the test, me not retaining the information, and me getting that test again in two months and failing it. Lesley Logan 19:06  Yeah, yeah. It really is not the easiest thing to go. Okay, why is this upsetting me so much? I mean, a dog jumping on you during a meditation, hitting the wrong thing, should be funny. It should be funny. And so when it's not funny, when something like so ridiculous happens and it's not funny, there's something going on. There's an underlying current that's not being addressed. And I remember, this would happen to Brad and I, would have, like, the same kind of a thing. It's always happening when we're, when we're trying to do too much at the same time. You know, it's scary to hire, it's scary to delegate, it's scary to say no to things. But actually we, you know, we had, we really had to do that. We had a no new things in 2019 mantra, and like we've had, we've like, done it other times. And what I can say is not that our life is perfect, but now it's a little easier for us both not to blow up at the same time because, because, like, we're both not overdoing it in the scene and trying to be like a hero. And I think you have to, if you don't learn from the things you get to repeat the same exam, and you'll still get the same crappy score, which is memorized, which is not the, you know, the thing. I hope people are like, laughing and listening and also asking themselves same thing, like, what? What is this? Yes, some days you have to check boxes. I think it's really important to note that there's just some days you're like, yep, I'm going for my walk, and I don't want to do it. Yep, I'm sitting in this chair and I'm trying to meditate, and I don't, there's those days, but then when it, when you are, if you are finding yourself blowing up the people you love, something isn't happening that you're probably not articulating. I hate to say this, but we actually have to tell people how we want to feel appreciated, because people like I, I will brag about Brad all the time, and then realize, like, I have to actually should have told him, oh, I really like that you made me coffee every morning. We don't realize that we're not actually showing our appreciation to the person. We often tell our friends, or we tell our social media, we tell these things. And so if you aren't getting the appreciation you want, you know, you do have to almost articulate, here's how I would like to be appreciated, and these kinds of things make me feel appreciated, and no one wants to have those conversations because there's no time. None of us have, we're all cramming so much for so many tests. We're not actually taking the time to be in a philosophy class or psychology class or any kind of class that you would be like learning about something where you actually just get to learn. I think that that's my takeaway. Is like, maybe I should explore where I can be in a more theory class versus okay, I'm just passing the test. I'm checking the box. But if you're listening, you're like, I just checked the box today. Be okay with that, because it's better than not doing the things, but just understand if you were doing it every single day, or if you're resenting others. But here's the deal, because Launa, you and I are very similar. I have a really hard time being in the present moment, my, read in my dailies today, and it was a lot of us focus on the past. We focus on the future. Like we're trying to get so far in the future, like, currently with what's going on in the world. I'm like, can we just, like, fast forward 1000 days? Like, can we just, like, do it, right? Not like, that's a specific number or anything, but like, I find myself fast forwarding because it, the present feels really difficult. So how, how are you working on that sense of urgency and not letting that take over? Because we're doers, we're like, action takers, you know? How do you slow down?Launa Jae 22:13  Well, it's so funny because I was literally as you were talking. I was like, oh, that's a perfect segue into urgency, but to go off of what you were talking about, of you and Brad sitting down and having those conversations, I think I wanted to like echo something like in the heat of the moment when we are cramming for those tests, it always isn't the best climate to be able to sit down and be like, you know, what I've thought about my feelings, and then to be able to think about your feelings, to process them, and then to assign words, to be able to articulate and do it without putting someone on the defensive, is not easy to do. Lesley Logan 22:52  Yeah, it takes special skills. I think that's like superhero type of skills.Launa Jae 22:56  Very, very special skills. But I also think that urgency culture and us hurrying to study to pass that test and all of these things that are never ending to-do list is also stripping us from the human connections, from enjoying the day-to-day, from being present in the moment. And so one of those things that I'm, I'm really trying to call in is the first thing, and I know it's gonna sound stupid, it's gonna sound so cliche, but it is real, is my phone. Because I have clients messaging me, I have emails coming to my phone, I have group messages. I have all of these things. The second that I start to look elsewhere and I let I start to get into, like, consumption mode of other people's lives, what other people are doing, of texts here and this funny thing there, that's when my thinking starts to get messed up, and it's, it's not like a cause and effect, right? Oh, I got on social media. Five minutes later, I'm calling myself fat, and I hate what I see in the mirror, like it's not like that. But over time, I think being more intentional about where my energy is going and when I, like, I am on this call with you, I'm gonna keep it a buck. My phone is hidden in my paper planner so I can't even see it, and that way, I'm not paying attention, I'm not having this conversation with you, and then seeing a notification come up, and then me being like, oh crap, what were we talking about? I'm on camera, and to be in that moment, and it's hard to put on those blinders on those distractions, but I'm going to argue that that's one of the best things that you can do whenever you are going through these instances, is we start to kind of look outside of us for answers on us. And that doesn't make sense, like even saying that sentence sounds messed up. We start to look for answers outside of us about ourselves. They're only found inside of, the only way that we can get to that student mindset is to be able to shut out the noise and quiet. So for me, I'm intentionally getting on social media list. I'm posting. I'm going to check it one time a day, and I'm not looking, I'm not re-sharing, I'm not I have to protect my energy this week, especially when I'm vulnerable and I'm going through these instances.Lesley Logan 22:56  Yeah, I think that's really wise. I love that you put it in a book I live on Do Not Disturb, as you know. The joke in our household is people call Brad and tell him to find me.Launa Jae 25:44  Yeah, people call B and they're, like, where's Launa?Lesley Logan 25:47  Yeah, yeah, I do recall you're going, hey, Brad, can you tell your wife to answer her phone? We have a call right now. I am a true, like, ADHD person. I will be like, oh, I've got a meeting in 20 minutes. I can't start anything. And then I'm like, well, what's this over here? And then I'm like, fuck, I'm five minutes late. How did that happen? So that's me, but I do think that there are some tools we can use. And I know people are listening, but Lesley, I have to use social media for my business. Something that I am actually exploring is, what if I took all the pictures for stories and just posted them at one time for the next day? Does it really matter? You know what I mean? Like, does it really matter if it's 24 hours old? Because you can post like, 20 stories at one time. There's a simple way of doing that. Or if you really have to be posting all day, can you have someone who does it for you so that you could send it to them, and they can do it, because you have to figure out how to protect yourself. And that shouldn't be a selfish thing. That shouldn't feel like a righteous thing, whatever it's going on with you. If you're in a season of your life where that's a distraction, or you keep picking up your phone. For me, I can pick up my, my socials, skip the feed, and go straight to what I need to do, and go to my DMs and get out of it. And so I've curated my, my feed to just being people who want to punch Nazis and beautiful nails. Like, that's kind of where it's at right now. So, like, I kind of love it and I use. Launa Jae 26:58  I expect nothing less from you? Lesley Logan 27:01  Yeah and I use, like, the why are you showing this to me all the time? I'm like, I don't care about this. You can do those things. But if that's not something where you're at right now, then finding different tools, leaving your phone outside your bedroom, or there's a podcast I'm listening to where they're doing a focus challenge, your phone will tell you how many times a day you picked it up. Do you know this? So you can actually, I think there's a tool that you can look at to see how many times that I opened up my phone. It locked and I opened it. And then you can actually just aim to do less this one person I was listening to, we pick it up 283 times in a day. And I was like, oh my God.Launa Jae 27:32  I don't even want to comment on that until I know my number.Lesley Logan 27:36  Correct, exactly, because I started to go, wow. And then I was, wait a minute. How many times do I? But even just picking those things, because that is going to help you be more present in the moment, that's going to give you the time to ask yourself why am I feeling a certain way? What do I want out of this? All the tools in the world, you and I have studied from the best people out there on how to make our businesses go how do we work from ourselves? How do we develop ourselves? How do we have growth? But all the tools in the world don't help you if you don't take the time to integrate them. And I want to highlight something you said when you're in the moment when you want to, you know, yell like your your car is wet and the dog jumped on you, and you're like, I need it. That's because I'm not being appreciated. I'm going to go tell. That's probably not the best time to go tell someone what you want. But what I think is really cool is measuring the time from the little mental beat to you understanding what's going on to you being enabled to a place to articulate what that is. Maybe it takes you two days at one point, and if you can reduce that down to a day and a half, and you can reduce that in a day, and maybe you can reduce it down to, you know, within an hour. Like, hey, I'm so sorry the way I acted this morning. Here's, here's what happened, here's why this is upsetting me. You don't need to do anything or in the future. Like, can you, you know? Can you shut the window, you know? So, like, I think it's not about us being Zen Buddhist, like, you know, monks over here who just walk through life in white robes. That's never gonna happen, but us all being able to shorten the timeframe from when we're frustrated to why we're frustrated to articulating what our needs are.Launa Jae 29:13  Yeah, and I think it comes down to a matter of intention, even to your social media example, right? Like being intentional about what you're doing, why you're doing it, while you're doing it, will help you be more present in that moment. So, like, it is my intention. I literally, I was like, gonna start a Launa stress spiral. I'm like, I got a podcast at 12 and I gotta prep my call notes. And I was like, Launa, stop. Have fun. Just get on this call, talk to your friend, get some good content out there, see how it evolves. Have fun. Then when I'm done, I'm gonna have fun while I'm doing X and having those times and that intentional time, one of the quotes that sticks out because this is something I have to be mindful of daily, because, hi, human ADD, there literally was a squirrel in front of my house as I said that, (inaudible) just went by. But I think being, I don't know who said it, where I heard it, but being where you are, 10 toes down, wherever those toes are, that's where your focus needs to be, whether it's in the gym, whether it's okay, my toes are under my computer. It's work time. If I'm in the kitchen, my toes are eating, you know, like, what we got going on? And being intentional in your reflection time of okay, why did I just act like a mega asshole, why? And being intentional in the the information extraction, right? Then being intentional with you taking the time to process and asking yourself the questions, right? And then being intentional in the way that you communicate what you want. And then, clearly, I'm not going to say the word intention again, but leading with that of, why am I doing the thing that I'm doing right now, and is that in alignment? Yeah, and if it's not, then we need to ask why, and do something maybe pivot to get back into alignment. But I think that's what I'm focusing on. Lesley Logan 31:16  Is intention your word for the year?Launa Jae 31:18  No, my word for the year is actually peace, and I cannot wait to see in 2026 what that does to my year. But I just, for lack of a better phrase, I just want to shit rainbows this year. I want to call it in the void I want. I just want connection, and I want laughter, and I want community. Because I think I truly spent the last two years in head down, grind, hustle, like, just work yourself into the ground mode. And, yeah, it was great, and I got a bunch of clients and help people get results. And like, I did the things and I was fulfilled doing the things that wasn't work I didn't like, but I also haven't gotten on an airplane in a year and a half. I haven't gone to a beach in a year. I missed out on a lot of the things on the day to day, like, you know, Lesley, one year, we saw each other three times going to all these events, you know. So, like, all of these things that are a part of my identity are things that I started to put to the back burner because I was prioritizing my work and my clients over me. And so this year, I just want to simplify everything. I want peace. I want good food, good company, good sleep, good sex, pretty views, quality conversations. And that's what I want to focus on. So whatever learning and self-growth and all of meditations and car windows that need to happen to get to that spot, I'm willing to put in the work, because I've seen what it's like on the other end and that's not fun. Lesley Logan 33:07  I think what's really cool. So I want to share a story, and it's not to make you doubt your word at all, but it is everyone who had the word. So my yoga instructor, we should have him on the podcast, Brad. We should figure this out. But my yoga instructor is like a philosopher, and he says, you can't have love without hate. You can't have peace without war. And so anything that we're wanting to call more in for everyone, whatever that word is, there is going to be the other side. It doesn't mean you don't, you get to skip that. But the idea is that, can we recognize when it's happening and then when it's not happening. Are we able to recognize peace when we have peace? Because a lot of times, we only recognize the opposite of what we don't want. We're like, oh, I've only got troubles, and all I want is peace and so or I only have like, haters, and I just want to love. Can you recognize when you have it when you have it, and use in the instances that are not peaceful or not love-filled or not impactful as information around how could I grow from this? How is there, was there a way to prevent that from happening at all anyways? Is that even in my control, if it's outside of my control, then can't do anything anyways. But if it was inside your control, what adjustments can I make in my life? So I'd repeat that thing again. So I think it's like, I love the word peace. I had a year where I was like, ease and I just kept asking, like, anytime something came stressful, I'm like, How can I make this more easeful? This isn't easy. So, yeah, could I bring to it? Should I bring music on? Do I need to change the music that's playing so that this is more easeful? Do I need to ask for help? I'm sharing all this because I need to hear it myself. So I'm gonna re-listen my own podcast so I can take my own, so I could take my own medicine, but it's like, how can I use the things that are opposite of what I'm trying to call in as information about what I can change for myself, or if it's outside of my control, how do I let it go? Because that, there's nothing you can do anyways, right? So anyways, this has been so fun. Launa Jae 34:58  No, I love it, because now you g,ot me on another tangent. But I really, I really believe, like, I mean, humans, they operate out of one or two mechanisms, fear or love, right? Anything that we do is either, like, if you ask enough questions, you're going to get to the base, and that base is either going to be you're scared of something or you love something, right? And so, kind of getting into these, like when growth happens, and all of these negative emotions we're scared of, because we are made to feel aligned and feel good and all of that. But if we, again, slip into student mode, those negative emotions are like a flashing yellow site that something isn't in alignment. So if we can sit with those and recognize, hey, I have to go through this to get the opposite, then I think it becomes almost as Jill would say, Let's lower the barrier of entry. In order to have peace, you gotta go through the chaos in order to have a sunny day, like you wouldn't even be able to know what a sunny day is like if all you saw was rain. And so the message is that you're telling yourself so like, yes, I want peace this year, and I have had to catch myself 942 times already having chaos in my brain and feeding the chaos, right? So as you're working towards whatever it is, whether it's fitness, nutrition, you're trying to get a new deadlift PR, you're trying to nail your macros, you're not going to get to the spot where you're able to do that without the lows that are associated with those highs. Literally, to PR your deadlift you have to tear your muscle fibers down and rebuild them. And I was talking to my friend this morning on the phone, and I was, I was frustrated. I'm like, why, I've been doing personal development for 35 years, like I get this a lot thing, like, come on, since I was a baby in my mom's womb, I've been doing this, what is like, what is going on? And she was like, Launa, you're with a new company. You're at ground zero. Just because you've had a ground zero before doesn't mean that this isn't a ground zero again. If you are constantly, she, she told me something hard that really slapped me in the face. And she was like, okay, so you're always going to be stressed out and you're always going to be glorifying your to-do list because you're constantly growing. And I was like, yeah. And she was like, so you're going to constantly grow, and you're going to constantly get better, and you're setting these expectation for yourself, but as you're getting close to reaching those, you're changing the height of the bar. Lesley Logan 37:53  Yes.Launa Jae 37:53  And so you're consistently going to be disappointed, because that's who you are. You're high-achieving. You like to operate there, but you're gonna constantly be disappointed every time I go to move that bar up and I keep falling. So we need to learn how to be okay in the moment, because the journey's never gonna end. You know, it's always gonna change. So what are you gonna do? Are you gonna like, just sleep an entire road trip with your spouse and miss every single thing on the road or are you going to look out the window?Lesley Logan 38:24  Yeah. Yeah. I think that's beautiful. I think it's totally fine to be in, have an achiever mindset and have a growth mindset and be a doer like I'm a recovering perfectionist and overachiever. That being said, it doesn't mean that you can't live a life with a mountain with no peak. We had a guest, Keri Ford, who was like, you know, an achieving one, like, there's a mountain with no peak. That doesn't mean that along the mountain you don't stop at a plateau and you look around and you take it in. That doesn't mean that you don't have to go around a long journey to get to the next peak. You, always moving the bar in your life, there's actually nothing wrong with that, because you are constantly wanting more. What we what all of us who do that, have to recognize is, are we celebrating where we're at when we get there? If we don't, it makes it really, really hard to be curious and study and ditch the urgency we've been talking about because we're just waiting for that next test, because we'll just pass, I'll just pass it and then I did it. And instead of no, actually, just stop and take it in. Just stop. Look at your views. Look at the cloudy day, look at the rain and celebrate here's what I did do today, you know. So I just want to say that, because I just want to make sure everyone knows it is absolutely fine to have goals and you can move the goal post, but you must celebrate that you got to a goal post. I had a coach who says he's not hit a goal in his business in six years, but he feels extremely successful. So I think the barometer is you can move the goal post, but if you never feel like you've been successful, then maybe there's some reflecting to do.Launa Jae 39:58  Yeah, and I think that comes back to like being present and being 10 toes down right, like, people literally hire me to help keep them accountable on their journeys, and a crucial part of that is being grateful and celebratory for the progress that you've made and where you are in the moment and how you're creating a new version of yourself, it takes time to create different neural pathways. And as humans, we want x result, and we want it now, and that's where a lot of resistance comes from, right? So enjoying it and realizing there's going to be sun, there's going to be rain, but it's all worth it, and it's all important to keep going. So let's normalize minty bees, right?Lesley Logan 40:44  Yes, yes, I vote for that. Okay, we're gonna take a brief break and find out where people can find you, follow you, work with you, and your Be It Action Items. Lesley Logan 40:51  All right, Launa, where do you hang out? Where can they work with you if they are wanting accountability in their life, for their journey, their fitness journey, what do you got for them?Launa Jae 40:59  Yeah, you can find me on Instagram. I hang out more there than Facebook. My Instagram handle is launajae_ J-A-E underscore. I have my new website that launched this week, so I will be sending it over to you, if y'all are curious about coaching, anything like that. What it is that I do or you want to hear more random stuff come out of my mouth. Hit me up on there.Lesley Logan 40:59  Yeah, what's the website? We'll put it in the show notes, but just in case people are walking and talking. Launa Jae 41:27  Yes, it's www.activelifesports.comactive-lifestyle. Lesley Logan 41:35  Okay, we will put that in there. We gotta get you a short link. Brad is like, Launa needs a short link. It's brand new. It's one week. Congratulations. Those are not easy things to do. Okay, you've given us so much, Launa Jae, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps can we leave people with today?Launa Jae 41:58  Stay curious. Everything can teach you more about yourself. Create awareness around where you are, and get clear on where you want to go, and do not forget that grace and consistency go a long way. There are going to be hard days, but what do you do with them? Right? Lesley Logan 42:18  Yeah, yeah. I love all. I love each one of those. I think that that's a, it could be one sentence, or it could be five commands, and you can pick one that you want. You're gorgeous. You're amazing, Brad and I adore you. And you get on a plane and come to Vegas, huh? Like, Southwest is having a sale. I'm sure.Launa Jae 42:37  Hey, you know it is like one of me and B's favorite places to come. It's come see you and Brad in Vegas.Lesley Logan 42:42  I'm just, we're just saying you should just get married here, that way we can be there. We, we have a Venetian you can get married in New York., New York. There's, like, all these different.Launa Jae 42:52  We can get married in your backyard, (inaudible).Lesley Logan 42:56  You can. You can get married in the backyard. Our wall matches your tattoos, you know.Launa Jae 43:03  It's meant to be, no, what's crazy is you're the second person that's asked if we were gonna get married in Vegas, unwarranted, too.Lesley Logan 43:10  Yeah, well, I just like to do unsolicited commands of people getting married in Vegas. Lesley Logan 43:16  My loves. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Please let Launa Jae and the Be It Pod know, share this with a friend who needs to hear it. I mean, there's so many different good one liners to remember. If you find yourself taking a horse though, without water, maybe it's time to be curious. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 43:37  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 44:19  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 44:24  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 44:28  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 44:36  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 44:39  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Fluent Fiction - Hebrew: Voices of Change: Shaping Elections at the Beit Knesset Find the full episode transcript, vocabulary words, and more:fluentfiction.com/he/episode/2025-05-31-22-34-02-he Story Transcript:He: היום היה יום מיוחד בבית הכנסת.En: Today was a special day at the Beit Knesset.He: זה היה יום הבחירות, והמקום היה מלא באנשים שהגיעו להצביע.En: It was election day, and the place was filled with people who came to vote.He: קישוטים לכבוד חג השבועות עיטרו את הקירות, והאווירה הייתה משולבת בין ציפייה למתיחות.En: Decorations for the Chag Shavuot adorned the walls, and the atmosphere was a mix of anticipation and tension.He: אריאל עמדה ליד דלת הכניסה, מביטה בהמולה.En: Ariel stood by the entrance door, watching the hustle and bustle.He: היא הרגישה מבולבלת מהמצב הפוליטי בארץ, אבל גם הייתה נחרצת בדעתה למצוא דרך להשפיע.En: She felt confused by the political situation in the country, but she was also determined to find a way to make a difference.He: נועם הצטרף אליה במהרה.En: Noam joined her shortly.He: אף שהוא רצה שהיום יסתיים בלי בעיות, גם הוא לא יכול היה למנוע את תחושת החרדה שכרסמה בו.En: Even though he wanted the day to end without problems, he couldn't stop the sense of anxiety that gnawed at him.He: "נמאס לי להרגיש שהקול שלי לא משנה," אמרה אריאל בקול רם.En: "I'm tired of feeling like my voice doesn't matter," Ariel said loudly.He: נועם הסתכל עליה בהבנה.En: Noam looked at her with understanding.He: הוא הרגיש פחד מהתוצאות האפשריות, אבל גם ידע שהשינוי יכול להיות חיובי.En: He felt fear about the possible outcomes, but he also knew that change could be positive.He: "את יכולה לקחת חלק פעיל בשינוי הזה," אמר נועם.En: "You can take an active part in this change," Noam said.He: "אבל גם צריך לחשוב על היציבות העתידית."En: "But you also need to think about future stability."He: אריאל החליטה שהיא לא יכולה להישאר שקטה.En: Ariel decided she couldn't stay silent.He: היא החלה לדבר עם האנשים שעמדו בתור לקלפיות, לשכנע אותם לחשוב על הבחירות כנושא של שינוי ותיקון.En: She began speaking with the people standing in line for the polls, trying to persuade them to think of the elections as a subject of change and reform.He: נועם, למרות חששותיו, החליט לעמוד לצידה של אריאל ולתמוך בה.En: Noam, despite his fears, decided to stand by Ariel and support her.He: השיחות בין המצביעים הפכו לוויכוחים סוערים.En: The conversations among the voters turned into heated debates.He: בבית הכנסת נוצרה תחושת החיוניות וההתעוררות.En: A sense of vitality and awakening was created in the Beit Knesset.He: אנשים החלו להביע את דעותיהם בקול רם, והדיון העמיק.En: People began to express their opinions loudly, and the discussion deepened.He: אריאל ונועם אתגרו זה את זה, ולבסוף מצאו את השותפות בין שאיפותיהם האישיות לטובת הכלל.En: Ariel and Noam challenged each other and eventually found the partnership between their personal aspirations for the greater good.He: בסופו של דבר, הקהילה התכנסה יחד לדיון גדול.En: Ultimately, the community gathered together for a large discussion.He: התחושה הייתה שהם יכולים להשפיע ולשנות באמת.En: The feeling was that they could truly influence and bring change.He: אריאל ונועם הרגישו חזקים ומתואמים יותר מתמיד.En: Ariel and Noam felt stronger and more in sync than ever.He: הם הבינו שהקול שלהם חשוב ושהם הפכו לחלק ממשהו גדול יותר.En: They understood that their voice was important and that they had become part of something bigger.He: השמש שקעה וברקע נשמעו תפילות חג השבועות.En: The sun set, and in the background, the prayers of Chag Shavuot were heard.He: אריאל הבינה שהיא יכולה לשנות את המציאות. ונועם למד לפזר את הפחדים ולהאמין בכוח שלו להשפיע וליצור שינוי אמיתי.En: Ariel realized she could change reality, and Noam learned to dispel his fears and believe in his power to influence and create real change. Vocabulary Words:special: מיוחדelection: הבחירותadorned: עיטרוanticipation: ציפייהtension: מתיחותhustle: המולהdetermined: נחרצתdifference: השפעהanxiety: חרדהgnawed: כרסמהoutcomes: תוצאותstability: יציבותsilent: שקטהpersuade: לשכנעpolls: קלפיותdebates: ויכוחיםvitality: חיוניותawakening: התעוררותaspirations: שאיפותpartnership: שותפותinfluence: להשפיעsync: מתואמיםbackground: ברקעprayers: תפילותreality: מציאותdispel: לפזרcreate: ליצורcommunity: קהילהpositive: חיוביstanding in line: עמדו בתורBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/fluent-fiction-hebrew--5818690/support.

Lesley shares an eye-opening stat about feedback bias toward high-performing women and celebrates a win from Dana Karen's impactful challenge for people with chronic pain. Lesley also shares a personal win about filming for Pilates Anytime and how being challenged creatively led to growth. This episode is your Friday reminder that wins come in many forms and that they're always worth celebrating. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:A surprising stat about negative feedback on high-achieving women.How Dana Karen created a powerful shift for clients in chronic pain.Why fulfillment sometimes matters more than numbers.What challenged Lesley creatively during her Pilates Anytime shoot.How doing things differently opens doors for growth.Episode References/Links:Dana Karen's book: You're Meant to Move - https://a.co/d/62woZGtPilates Anytime - https://www.pilatesanytime.comIf you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. 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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:48  Hey, Be It babe. Welcome to your FYF episode, your Fuck Yeah Friday episode, where we share wins. We share wins of yours, wins of mine, a mantra, we get inspired, we're to take it ourselves into the weekend, when that's the best time to be inspired, so that you can enter your work week and plan it all out and make your magic happen. So this inspired me. This is very interesting. I don't think it inspired me, but like, intrigued me. Around 76% of high-performing women receive negative feedback, compared to only 2% of high-achieving men. So what this said is around 76% of high-performing women reportedly received negative feedback from their managers, compared to just 2% of high-performing men. That come from data collected from 23,000 employees across 250 organizations, by the way. So why is this happening? So they think unconscious bias leads managers, male or female, to typically evaluate women during performance reviews on their personality rather than the work they contribute. Are they easy to work with? Do they get along with everyone? Are they likable and collaborative? These areas of feedback don't necessarily touch on a woman's performance, which hurts both the employee and the employer. The employee, remember, is the high-performer. She's going to be looking for concrete ways to grow and progress in her career. If she see it receiving feedback on how nice she is, well, she might start looking for work elsewhere. Managers keep it constructed and hold on to top talent. I thought that that was like interesting. I made me wonder, how do I provide feedback to different genders in any of the things that I'm doing? Am I providing feedback specifically on the tasks that they're doing so that they can become better, or am I talking about things that have nothing to do with the project? So I thought that that was just really fascinating to something we could all explore, like, those of you who have people on your team, how are you providing feedback? Are you keeping it even? Are you giving the same kind of feedback to people of another gender in your corporation? Like, how are you doing that? So, anyways, I hope that that kind of gets you thinking. Lesley Logan 2:35  So let's go to one of your wins. This is from DK. My heart is so incredibly full right now. I'm on day two of a seven-day challenge, and I am running for getting active with chronic pain called Meant to Move, after my book. Remember her book? It's Dana Karen's book. I have been busting my ass for the past four weeks or so leading up to this challenge with IG lives and new freebies and tons of promos, and I was so exhausted by the time it even started. I was disappointed at first to just get four sign-ins, because I'm making like, $2 an hour, but I have to say that things are going so well so far, I just got off two back-to-back coaching calls with people telling me how grateful they are for the safe space about the challenge created, and how happy to they feel to have a guidance and support to get going. The second client said to me, the movement part is just a bonus. What I needed was a safe container to put my grief and feelings about movement and where it was okay to be starting from scratch and you gave me that. I mean, that sentiment right there was exactly why I wrote the book, why I created my first pain program in 2022 and why I made this challenge. I have been trying to figure out the correct format for years without success, and I feel like I'm finally hitting on something that might actually work if I can figure out how to find my people. I just feel so fulfilled knowing that this is working for someone, and it made my whole month. Dana Karen, DK, we love you. We're so proud of you. We're so proud of the work that you're doing. Thank you for sharing this with us. Thank you for being you, and thank you for helping people in pain get their move on. Lesley Logan 3:53  All right, my win. Here it is real quick. You guys, I got to film for Pilates Anytime again, and they're dear friends of mine, and they challenged me to come up with some really great stuff. And we looked at the stuff that people have liked to play as anytime and what I want to do, and it's different than what I can do at OPC, and it's really quite fun. And so I can't wait for this content to come out, but I also just love that it challenged me. Challenged me to like, how do I succinctly say what I want to say in this tutorial that's different than my YouTube stuff. How do I create this class so that it makes sense at home, so you can repeat it forever and ever. I don't know their audience as well as I know my OPC audience, and that's different. And so it just was a fun challenge, and I had a great time. And I love the team at Pilates Anytime, and I also want to celebrate that they are been around for 15 years, and they really paved the way for OPC and other platforms like mine to even exist, and they've been so supportive of me and my journey and so just a win for everyone all around. Lesley Logan 4:50  So, now, here we go. Life never leaves me without options. Life never leaves me without options. Life will never leave you without options. Lesley Logan 5:01  Thank you for being you. Thank you for listening to this podcast. Thank you for sharing your wins with me. Send them in I can't wait to read them. Can't wait to share them on our next FYF and until next time, babe, Be It Till You See It.Lesley Logan 5:13  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 5:55  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 6:00  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 6:05  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 6:12  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals. Brad Crowell 6:15  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

In this recap, Lesley and Brad reflect on their convo with Aletta Rochat, a trailblazing and executive presence coach, who shares what it really takes to show up with confidence. Together they unpack why owning your strengths—and saying no when it matters—can shift how you lead, speak, and connect with others. With this episode, you'll leave feeling grounded, energized, and ready to give yourself full permission to belong. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:The real-world script for gracefully exiting client relationships.Why permission and belonging unlock authentic confidence.The danger of saying yes out of guilt or reflex.The difference between reaction and intentional action.Why your greatest strengths may be things you take for granted.Episode References/Links:OPC Summer Tour https://opc.me/eventsOPC UK Mullet Tour https://opc.me/uk eLevate Mentorship Program - https://lesleylogan.co/elevatewaitlistPilates Income Accelerator … prfit.biz/accelerator Cambodia October 2025 Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comAletta Rochat Website - https://www.alettarochat.comFemGevity - https://www.femgevityhealth.com/?via=lesleyCliftonStrengths by Gallup - https://www.gallup.com/cliftonstrengths If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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We don't identify that we have something that most people might not have, and that becomes our superpower. Lesley Logan 0:13  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:55  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the emboldening convo I had with Aletta Rochat in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that episode yet, you are missing out. She's amazing. She's a badass. You're gonna wanna listen to it after you listen to this one, if you can just go back into your feed. I mean, she's the first president-elect who's a female for the International Toastmasters. Brad Crowell 1:19  Yeah, international president-elect, yeah. Lesley Logan 1:21  Insane, amazing. And that's not even what she went to school for, or thought she'd be doing. So I just think it's great. We'll get into her in just a second. But first, today is May 29th 2025 and it's World Digestive Health Day. World Digestive Health Day is celebrated every year on May 29th around the world. I think it's really funny whenever they describe the day, and then the description is the same thing with the words. Brad Crowell 1:44  Yeah, it's also like today is May 29th. On May 29th we celebrate. Yes.Lesley Logan 1:51  The holiday provides resources and tools for gastrointestinal (G.I.) diseases to help more people in the general public make better decisions around their health. Awareness can lead to early diagnosis and treatment of G.I. diseases including cancer. It should also be known that G.I. diseases can lead to obesity. It can also create more understanding and better support for patients experiencing digestive diseases when their issues and conditions are better understood by the general public. I just think it's so important, if you are dealing with some stomach stuff, most people are not realizing how long they've been dealing with it, and it can lead to, as I mentioned, diseases, cancer, crazy stuff. You can have an imbalance of hormones, your mind, your actual mindset, how you feel, your emotions, are related to your gut, and if your gut biome is a fucking mess, and then you are also like, why does the world hate me? No amount of therapy is going to help you if your gut is telling your brain some other things. And so I highly, highly recommend, if you've got gut stuff going on, go advocate for yourself. If your G.P. is not listening to you, go talk to somebody else. We just had someone come to the house, which blew our mind. Our crappy insurance sent works to the company, and that company came to our house and literally sat down was like, what doctor referrals do you need? And I was like, oh, you can do that for me? And so you all know from over the last year how much FemGevity helped me with my gut stuff. Like, it's been really amazing to know the difference between like, I'm not feeling awesome, and, oh, this is my gut problem and. Brad Crowell 3:22  But it still doesn't change the fact that you have to go to a doctor locally to get blood drawn or things like that, right? Lesley Logan 3:28  Yeah, you still have to go do stuff, yeah? Well, FemGevity sends something to you, but you don't have to use it, like, you have to go, like, it is annoying to go advocate yourself. It is annoying to feel like you're crazy. It's annoying to feel like you're not being listened to. But literally, if you have H. Pylori, and you let it go on its own thing, it can lead to cancer, okay? If you have other things, it can lead like you don't get to ignore your gut, you don't get to. So I'm really excited that this day has its own day, which is May 29th, and it's a world holiday. Brad Crowell 3:56  It's a world holiday. Lesley Logan 3:58  Go talk to your G.I. about your shit, like literal shit. Okay, OPC Summer Tour tickets.Brad Crowell 4:06  Don't tell us about your shit when we meet you on tour. Lesley Logan 4:09  No, please don't. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to talk about my shit. I don't want to hear about your shit. But do you want to go on the West Coast tour? The tickets are already available. I actually don't even know how many cities we're going to at the time that we're recording this, but the team does.Brad Crowell 4:22  I haven't actually. Lesley Logan 4:22  We are, here's what I do know, we are spending a fuck ton of time and money to cross the border and go to Canada. So we are finally adding an international options to our West Coast tour. And so you're going to definitely want to the other Canada stops and or I know that we're hitting when I say West Coast, I mean California, Oregon, Washington. I know that we are hoping to do Idaho and Utah. Obviously while we're recording this, I don't have it in front of me, but I do know that the tickets sell fast, because our seventh tour, which is our winter tour, our last one, had literal cities sell out in 24 hours. So go to opc.me/events to see all the locations. Next up is September. We're going to be in the U.K. We have two cities with two day events at each one, Leeds and Essex.Brad Crowell 5:06  Nineteen.Lesley Logan 5:08  19 cities? Brad Crowell 5:08  I think we're on track for 19 cities with classes. Lesley Logan 5:12  Cool. Brad Crowell 5:12  Yeah, on the Summer Tour. Lesley Logan 5:13  Okay, well, thank you. So now we're on to Essex and Leeds and so this is our business in the front, Pilates in the back event, and it's two days long. Super fun, super affordable. You get six workshops, two classes for 550 pounds. Brad Crowell 5:29  I mean, it's kind of a steal, not a lot, yeah. Lesley Logan 5:32  Yeah, it's nuts, it's insane, and it's really fun. We get to spend a lot of time together, and the space is really limited and Leeds is like (inaudible).Brad Crowell 5:38  I think it's 485 pounds, 400, it's like 500 pounds. Somewhere around. Lesley Logan 5:41  Oh, maybe it's only 500 pounds. Brad Crowell 5:42  Yeah, because this is exchange thingy, so I can't remember exactly, but. Lesley Logan 5:46  Don't, don't listen to either of us quote a price. Just go to opc.me/uk. Brad Crowell 5:51  Yes. Lesley Logan 5:51  Because the early bird is over, but they're still a deal. Because the actual events, if we were to charge you for each one by itself, is like 2000 pounds, it was something ridiculous. Brad Crowell 5:59  That's way, way, way, way, way more. So yeah. Lesley Logan 6:02  So, opc.me/uk for the Leeds event or the Essex event. Leeds only has 16 spots, and I know we only have four left at the time we're recording this and then (inaudible).Brad Crowell 6:11  And it's not just Lesley who will be teaching, it'll be me, too. I'm actually gonna be there helping out. We're gonna do a couple of business life workshops, and then we're gonna do four Pilates workshops where you're digging into actual Pilates stuff, then I'm not teaching those. And then Lesley is also going to do a couple of classes and all the things, and then we're going to hang and, you know, all of it's going to be a blast, so. Lesley Logan 6:32  It's going to be so fun. And here's the deal, if you're like, oh, I'll go to the next U.K., I'm already in talks. Brad Crowell 6:37  Literally don't know when that's going to be. Lesley Logan 6:38  Yeah, I'm already in talks with several other countries that are across the world. And to be honest, Brad and I actually do like living in Vegas. So we are no longer doing multiple 12 hour flights in a year, just like not a thing for us. So I don't know that we'll hit the U.K. in the next two years after this. Brad Crowell 6:57  Yeah, at least.Lesley Logan 6:57  Even though that Brad loves it, we'd be there for vacation and not for work. So opc.me/UK is where you get your tickets there. What else, Brad? Brad Crowell 7:04  Okay, next up we got eLevate, y'all. If you've not heard of it, it's Lesley's Pilates mentorship program. It's a nine-month program, and you should do it, because it's going to change the way that you teach in incredibly dramatic way. You're going to feel way more confident about everything. People who take this program have told us they've stopped class planning. Their voices are not shot by the end of the day. They are not afraid of a random client walking in the door that they wouldn't necessarily know what to do with or prepare for. They don't have to do those things anymore, because when you go through this program, what you're going to do is you're going to dig in to all the different pieces of equipment, okay? And you're not just like learning exercises on them, although you will do that, you will learn everything that Lesley learned from Jay Grimes over the more than 10 years she studied with him and with Sandy Shimoda. You are actually going to be connecting the dots across the pieces of equipment that is going to allow you to understand why are you doing this thing with this person on the chair? Why would you then take them over to the barrels and do this other thing over there? And then, you know, because ultimately, you're understanding what their goals are, and then you can create the path through the equipment and through the exercises for them to reach their goals. Okay, how cool is that for you to just be able to understand that and not necessarily have to, like, go hit your books and be like, oh, I can't remember what I need to do with this person. No, when you go through elevate this stuff really comes together. And the the amount of confidence that has brought the people who have finished, which at this point, we got about 50 grads and 25 more people going through it this year. It's just been overwhelming feedback and in a positive way. And we want you to come. We're gonna do just the workout. Come get you know, move with Lesley, and then hang out afterwards. We're gonna do a Q&A talk all about eLevate. We are literally more than 50% sold out for 2026 so there's not that many spots left, but to find out about when this class is going to happen, go to lesleylogan.co/elevatewaitlist elevatewaitlist.Lesley Logan 9:09  I love this program so much. It's so much fun, and I'm really excited because next year we are going to do the two, two rounds again. We're not going to do it for the following year. This is the last time we can really commit to doing that, mostly because we just had so many people interested. We really, really didn't want you to wait. So we opened up another section, and like Brad said, it's almost sold out. It's just one of my favorite things. I get to spend so much time with you guys, and you, the progression, and then also, when you graduate, you're in the alumni group, and then I get to and then we're still together, and I'm still watching people elevate it's just (inaudible).Brad Crowell 9:25  We actually have a smaller group inside of the alumni who all virtually get together once a week to take an OPC class together and encourage each other and just get their movement. Lesley Logan 9:51  From around the world. Brad Crowell 9:52  From around the world. It's super cool. You know, we didn't set that up. They set it up. It's awesome. Anyway you want to be at this class. Go to lesleylogan.co/elevatewaitlist that'll be this summer. Brad Crowell 10:04  All right, next up, we got the Pilates Income Accelerator. If you are taking money from any person to teach them anything, whether that's Pilates or yoga or whatever, probably Pilates, because of who our audience usually is, I want you to come to this free workshop that I'm doing called the Pilates Income Accelerator. Go to prfit.biz/accelerator that's profit without the O dot biz slash accelerator. We're going to be covering three major secrets, about mindset, about money, about the numbers, and about marketing, and the messaging, the language you're using. We're going to be digging into those things, and then afterwards, I'm going to be able to answer questions about your business. So you can send in a question early, and I'll have it prepared so I can read through these questions and make sure everybody gets some kind of an answer here. I want you to come. It's free. You should do it. So go to prfit.biz/accelerator. Finally, Les, where are we going in October?Lesley Logan 10:59  Crowsnestretreats.com that's where we're going. We're going to our house in Siem Reap we have a lovely retreat planned for you. Oh my goodness. It's so wonderful. It's so cozy. It's a small group that can attend this event. We do Pilates five days. We go to the temples for two days. We take you to a lotus farm. We take you on a water tour. You get massages, and you also get to, like, really figure out what it is that you want when you leave, when you go home from the retreat. Brad Crowell 11:26  Yeah, so those are all what are we doing, but why would they go? Lesley Logan 11:30  Oh, I mean, because you're gonna feel like a freaking rock star when you come back, like you're actually gonna feel so good, you're gonna feel like you actually were in wonderment for a week. Wouldn't you like to get in wonderment for a week? I think so.Brad Crowell 11:43  Yeah. Wonder. Lesley Logan 11:45  Why do you think? Brad Crowell 11:46  When you think about Angkor Wat, it does create that intense curiosity, that wonder. How was it possible that they did what they did 1000 years ago, and for it to still be standing today, with all this epic, intricate carvings and all this stuff. You know, when you go on a journey like this, it's an adventure. You get to meet other amazing, adventurous people. We've also had, similar to eLevate, we've had retreaters stay connected afterwards. We've had like group retreat calls afterwards. We've had retreaters come back, bringing other people, because it was so inspirational. Lesley Logan 12:24  This coming one in October has someone from the last one, and then someone she's bringing her friend. And then last October, we had someone coming for the second year in a row, so like, just fun. Brad Crowell 12:34  Three or four times now, you know, yeah, we've had it happen over the years. Lesley Logan 12:38  It's a true like, when we hear the word retreat, it's like a true retreat. You get to really turn off what's going on in the world and focus on you and being in awe.Brad Crowell 12:47  Yeah, that's what's in it for you, y'all and you should join us. Go to crowsnestretreats.com. Before we get to Aletta, we have an audience question but. Lesley Logan 12:55  Yes, okay, I'm hijacking the questions again. Brad Crowell 12:57  Yeah, before you ask the question, I'm just gonna give it a quick preface. We spent the better part of a year building a tool that allows you to effectively have your own internal Google search situation going on through an AI tool that allows you to understand all the answers that Lesley and I have been giving to people for the past 10 years of coaching for fitness business. We call it the Pocket LL. And this tool, it was trained on 10 million words, where blog posts, webinars, courses, coaching, calls, group coaching calls, all these things where we're answering all these questions. And then we compiled it all into this insane database. And then we've got this awesome tool that you get to use when you're an Agency member. And today, we wanted to feature a question anonymously. We're not going to say the person's name, but we're going to feature a question that somebody actually asked the Pocket LL, so here you go.Lesley Logan 13:48  Yeah, so I have a problem client that gives me anxiety every time she comes in, but I owe her another six sessions in her 10 back. How do I fire her? Brad Crowell 13:57  That is, that's tough. Lesley Logan 13:58  And Pocket LL, said firing a client is never easy, but it's often necessary for your peace of mind and the health of your business. The image you see here captures an essential truth, it will never feel good to fire a client, but the sooner you take action, the fewer issues you'll have. Holding onto a problematic client can cost you more than just your sanity. It can affect your energy, your other clients and even your team. Here's how you can handle this gracefully. One, acknowledge sessions owed. You can refund the remaining six sessions or offer them to another instructor if you have one available, this ensures you're honoring the financial commitment without continuing the relationship. Two, be direct, but kind, say something like, thank you so much for working with me. I've realized that I'm no longer the best fit for your Pilates journey. I'd be happy to recommend another instructor or studio that might suit your needs better. Three, stick to your boundaries. If this client has been violating your policies or creating undue stress, don't feel obligated to explain or justify your decision. As I said before, you're not going to convince crazy. Keep it professional and move forward. I love when she quotes herself, which is me. Brad Crowell 15:00  You're not gonna convince crazy. That is amazing.Lesley Logan 15:03  I know. I mean, like I said that, so that's what I love about this. Okay. Four, prepare for pushback. Some clients may try to argue or guilt you into staying. Stay firm. Remember, you're creating space for better clients who respect your time and energy. And number five, focus on the opportunity. Once this client is gone, you'll have room for someone who uplifts you and aligns with your business values. Trust that the universe will fill that space with someone amazing. And then she always prompts with other questions. If you want to continue the conversation or you can just go start it's all good. Brad Crowell 15:32  Yep. Yeah. I mean, listening to those answers, I actually know the story behind every piece of that answer, because it's multiple conversations, over multiple calls, over multiple years, over multiple courses. And it's amazing that this, this tool is a, this search tool, is able to gather all that information and turn around and present it to you in a way that is cohesive, concise, and also you can actually use to take action. So. Lesley Logan 15:57  And it's and it's from all the years of experience of coaching thousands of businesses, and also all of my years of being and everything in this industry you could be. So I just really am so proud of the Pocket LL. And I do go through once a week and edit anything. And I'll, first, I stick with the things where people trigger an alert, because you could say avocado, if she makes sense to you. And then also I'll just go through for quality control and just read some of our answers. Sometimes I add another sentence because I'm like, oh, here's another idea. You know, now that I'm this many more years or I've helped this many more people, so it's always evolving. It's always getting better, and it's there for you no matter where you live in the world, as long as you're an Agency member. Brad Crowell 16:36  Yep, yeah. So if you're interested in what that even means, what that is, come to my free webinar like I was talking about go to prfit.biz/accelerator we will talk about Agency at the end, before I answer questions and come check it out.Lesley Logan 16:48  And then also, we'll go back to answering the questions you send in. I just wanted to hijack it because it's my podcast. Brad Crowell 16:53  I love it. I love it. All right. Well, stick around we'll be right back. We're going to dig into the conversation you have with Aletta Rochat. It was very inspirational. She is really good at bringing out excellence in people, so we'll be right back. Brad Crowell 17:09  All right. Welcome back. Let's talk about Aletta Rochat. Aletta is a public speaking coach and executive presence mentor based in Cape Town, South Africa. So an executive presence mentor, okay? She coached and trained in 21 countries, and will soon become the first woman from Africa the and only the 10th woman in 100 years to be the international president of Toastmasters International. So the 10th woman in the in what the last 100 years. She helps clients become more confident presenters by communicating with clarity, owning their presidents and reclaiming their sense of belonging. She also has been involved with Toastmasters since 2008. She has gone through all their educational material, and she's like the highest educator that they certify all the things she actually had a really great story about how she started to realize public speaking became like her survival mechanism, and then how it went on to now become her, you know, how she's supporting others succeed. I thought that was pretty cool. Lesley Logan 18:10  I also just, you know, like you like you hear, I heard about Toastmasters, like. Brad Crowell 18:14  I've heard about it so many times and I've never done, I don't even know what it was. Lesley Logan 18:16  And you kind of think like, oh, it's kind of like a Moose Club, like the Moose Lodge. Like, it's just, you know what I mean, but it's not, it's like, still going so strong, and it's helping a lot of people.Brad Crowell 18:26  She said they're in 150 countries. Lesley Logan 18:27  Yeah and it made me go all the people who are like, I need a friend. Go to fucking Toastmasters. Like, hear their stories. You'll connect. Yeah, you have to publicly speak, but you're gonna be around people.Brad Crowell 18:37  Well, she said you're guaranteed claps and guaranteed support, or you're guaranteed an audience and you're guaranteed claps. Lesley Logan 18:43  It sounds better than AA, where you also get both of those. I just think it sounds amazing. I'm so excited we're gonna highlight this. She said, "I show up differently when I think I belong." And she said that someone once told her, remember that you belong. That phrase helped her stay relaxed and be more spontaneous and likely to share her ideas. And I think that that's so important because for her to be where she's at in, in the world, but also in Toastmasters, each time she leveled up, there'd be, like, a reason to go, oh my God, who let me in here? They're gonna find out, like Maya Angelou is like, someone's gonna find out that I don't know what I'm doing. But if you remember that you belong, it changes how you show up. And you show up willing to be more yourself, which is going to allow you to connect with more people. And it's just so, so important. Brad Crowell 19:32  Well, I think also not only the vibes, the vibes are weird when you feel like you don't belong, but when you feel like you belong, you will approach the group, the conversation, the experience, in a much different way, because you're gonna participate. I mean, honestly, that's like the biggest thing. When you feel like you belong, you feel like you're allowed to participate, and if you feel like you don't belong, what do you do? You stand there and listen. You don't talk, you don't do anything. So I thought it was really, also, like, amazing that advice, hey, remember that you do belong. Remember that you do and she said, this was instantaneously a life-changing statement for her. Lesley Logan 20:11  Yeah. And so she even said, even though it wasn't a Be It Action Item yet, she said, "If you belong, how would you show up? How would you speak up?" And she says, like, it's like a fundamental building block of confidence and executive presence. And I just thought, yeah, we need to put that on our mirrors everywhere we can read them before we walk into a room where it's new for us. We're feeling a little nervous. I just thought was brilliant.Brad Crowell 20:32  I really dug in when she was talking about when to say yes, because you, you were asking her, it's like, wow, you seem willing to say yes to things. And she said, to my own detriment, sometimes I've said yes when I shouldn't have, but she said, the worst thing you could do is say yes to something that you don't want to do. And she was talking about, I think her example was like the Boy Scout troop, they asked her to do some specific role and and she said, thanks, but that's not the right role for me. I you know, she said there was nothing about it that lit me on fire, nothing that was exciting in any way to me, and to other people it might be really exciting, but for her, it wasn't. And she she said something very specific. She said when you say yes to something that you don't want to do, you literally start off building resentment from the, from day one. Lesley Logan 21:19  Yeah, she's correct. Honestly, I can look back going to the question, like, how do we fire a client? I remember taking the check going, I don't really want to teach her. And then the moment she texts me the next week, can I change my time? I'm like, like, it was, like a zero to 60 resentment, as opposed to someone I was really fired up to teach but like, oh yeah, this is your first time. We can do it, but not after that, you know. So she is 100%.Brad Crowell 21:44  Yeah, that was so poignant that she identified the resentment factor right out of the gate, you know. And we, why do we say yes to things that we don't want to do? Probably because we feel stuck, you know, like we feel like we have to. We feel like we're, you know, social pressure, guilt, money, something. There's underlying fear there that is making us do it. Could be family. That's like forcing us to do it, and it just builds that resentment. She said it should be both sides of the coin. You want to say yes because you want to do it and you also want to learn. I mean, what are the stories we tell ourselves? I have to say yes because I'm the right person for the job. I have the most experience. I just have to do it. No one else is going to do it, so I'm going to do it. These are a lot of reasons why we say yes, but we don't want to. Ultimately, it's important to offer service. I'm not arguing that we shouldn't be serving people, but even that service should be also doing something for you.Lesley Logan 22:37  Yeah, because you won't show up the same you just won't show up the same way. And I had someone who we actually really love and support in a lot of ways financially, and they'd ask me to be on a board. And if you guys have ever been around me, you know I've been on a board before I got burned. It was traumatizing. It was a whole thing. And I was like, I'll never be on an unpaid board again. And of course, I get this invite to apply. And I was like, there's a part of me is like, oh, they want me. And then I was like, oh, I can't do this. And then I was like, oh, I'm gonna let them down. I have, I know they need someone. Maybe I could do it if it's just, like, this much time a week, I was literally doing like, mental gymnastics to figure out how to say yes to the thing I already knew would not be the right thing. And then it took me forever to write up a thank you. But no, thank you. And you know what they said? We totally understand and thank you for being so honest. We don't want anyone to do this because they feel obligated, you know, and know that the door's always open if you, if anything ever changes and I was just like, oh, it could be that simple. It could be that simple. And honestly, if they'd answered any other way, I've been like, we're so disappointed. That is a fucking red flag to run away from. But if they're willing to be grateful, and you know, if they asked me, like, Who else do you do you know anyone else who could be right for this? I would have absolutely sent them some people, you know. So I just think that, like you can also see the true colors of the person if you're, if you're being authentically honest about whether you can say yes or no. Brad Crowell 24:09  I was laughing when she started to, to, she basically said, if you have helium hand, where just your hand goes up and you can't seem to stop it. I was laughing. I was like, what did she say? I literally rewound it. Listened to it twice. She said she's now learned to sit in her hands every now and again. So, good for her. And she said, you know, just make sure saying yes is not a reaction or a reflex reaction, but it's a concerted action. It's a decision that you're making. So awesome. Brad Crowell 24:37  Well anyway, great takeaways right there from Aletta. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into those Be It Action Items. Brad Crowell 24:46  All right, welcome back. Let's dig into those Be It Action Items from Aletta Rochat. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo? She said, hey, here is how you identify your superpowers, which I'm all about. She said what are the clues to your superpowers? It's what other people keep asking you for help with. What is, what is it that you are consistently asked about, like, hey, can you help me, like, prep this thing or cook this dish or organize this event or be on the board or whatever. What is the thing that you keep being asked to do? She shared that most people overlook their strength, strengths because A. they come supernaturally to you. You might not even realize that they are a strength that you have, that others don't. They often become the most powerful gifts, right? Like, my mom has the gift of gab. That's what everybody said. Wow your mom, she's amazing. She talks to everybody. She's got the gift of gab, right? Well, sometimes the gift of gab was like, my dad was like, are we ready to go? Are we ready to go? So the way that I grew up, sometimes the gift of gab was a negative thing, because it was like, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, right? And it wasn't until later that I realized that it can also be a positive thing. So sometimes we look at what actually is a strength in the wrong light.Lesley Logan 26:04  Because somebody may have told you, yeah, told you you talk too much, or you're a big jokester, or you don't take things seriously, but there's always a positive side to a coin. Brad Crowell 26:12  Yeah, and I'm not trying to do my dad a disservice there, but I called him out, that's not what I meant.Lesley Logan 26:17  If Steven listens to this. Hi, Steven. You can come visit anytime.Brad Crowell 26:30  Aletta said that somehow society, that's a very inside joke, y'all, and I don't think literally, anybody except for my family, would get that. Aletta also said somehow society has conditioned us that we tend to verbalize what we're good at saying, oh, it's nothing, no big deal. Oh, yeah, you know, glad to help. You know, but we don't actually identify that it's really a superpower. An example that I didn't understand when I was in my band in when I first moved out to L.A. and I'm like, running around getting us set up to do the get the show, I talked to the venue owner, I like, figured out the night of the week that the band could do it. We rehearsed. We had to do a bunch of rehearsals. We get in there. We made a little marketing flyer. We distributed the marketing flyer, got it out into the community. All to do what? I just wanted to play. I just wanted to play on stage, right? And so I'm doing all the things to so that I can get up on stage and play. And what I didn't understand was that doing all those things that's actually part of my superpower. I saw the path through, how do I get to the end goal, you know? And then what are the steps that we need to do to do it? And ultimately, when I, when I finally identified that this was a strength of mine by doing the Strengths Finders exam, the first time I took it in 2010, it was this mind-blowing thing, because I was like, oh, everybody doesn't do that. I thought this was just the what you just do, what you have to do. I guess. That's the way I saw it. And it wasn't until I understood that this was actually valuable that I was able to go get a job to do literally that, and that's how I got into operations instead of companies. Kind of crazy. (inaudible) Yeah, you know, she said, We trivialize it because we don't recognize this as a strength. We hold back articulating our value. We don't identify that we have something that most people might not have, and that becomes our superpower. It can, it should. When we look at it through that lens, suddenly you're like, oh, this is something I'm inherently good at, and that is really a superpower. It's amazing. Like my mom's gift of gab is a superpower. You know, figuring out a way through the chaos is my superpower. But how do you identify that? Right? Then, when you finally are able to identify that again, I do recommend Strengths Finders, Clifton Strengths, they call it now. Now you get to finally say, my superpower is x, right?Lesley Logan 28:48  Yeah. Brad Crowell 28:49  What about you? Lesley Logan 28:50  Okay, so I said it before, but I think it's real. I really love that it's back here in the Be It Action Items, just in case you need to hear it again. She said, reclaim your sense of belonging and give yourself permission to belong. Aletta urged us to reclaim the feeling of belonging if we've lost it. She emphasized, it's within our power to grant ourselves permission to belong. And once you reclaim it, start playing with it. You can start thinking and start speaking and start acting as if you belong. It might feel like you're this is like the true be it till you see it, it's gonna feel like you're acting. There was an interview that's coming out, or it may have already been out, where someone talked about how they love the podcast name, because every day, we allow actors to play a role in a movie, and we believe them, right? We believe that they are that person for that period of time. And being it till you see it is like acting as it. And so you are going to reclaim it, and you're gonna play with it. You're gonna play with belonging, all that stuff, and before you know it, you'll have played it so much that you become it. That's it. You become the person that belongs. You're giving yourself permission. So I just thought, I was like, that's a be it till you see it right there. That's why this exists. So thank you, Aletta, for being you. You're so amazing. I'm so glad we're able to make this happen. I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 30:03  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 30:04  Thank you so much for listening. I hope this was really awesome for you. I really loved it. I also just love her voice. I love the way she explained things, the helium hand, like there's just so many things to go back to and listen. So please take another listen through if you haven't already, share it with a friend who needs to hear it, especially the ones who need to sit on their hands, but also the ones who need to be reminded that they belong and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 30:26  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 30:28  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod. Brad Crowell 31:10  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 31:15  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 31:19  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 31:26  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 31:30  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

What about conditional oaths? That means one oath forbids something, but the second may not. Unless he engineered the events of the first one, and neglected the second one. Also, the story of the brothers Eifa and Avimi, and their learning of Shevuot in the beit midrash.

The Tragically Hip Top Forty Countdown: Round Table TwoSongs #40–21 | Live Streamed May 23, 2025Every ten songs, we hit pause on the countdown and bring the community to the mic. This is Round Table Two — a live-streamed, unfiltered, and occasionally unhinged group chat about all things Tragically Hip. In this installment, we turn our attention to the middle meat of the countdown: songs ranked #40 through #21, where the debates get louder, the takes get spicier, and the stakes feel weirdly personal.I'm your host, jD, joined by four of the most thoughtful and opinionated Hip fans I know: Chris Sinclair, Jeff Schnurr, Craig Rogers, and Sara J. Together, we dissect the placements, praise the sleepers, question the darlings, and throw a few punches (with love) at the songs we think missed their mark.Here's what you can expect inside this episode:Jeff from Vaughan can't believe We Want to Be It and You're Not the Ocean made it this far — especially when Don't Wake Daddy is chilling down at #41. He's got opinions, and he's not afraid to name names.Sara J celebrates the perfection of matchups — how the right guests landed the right songs in uncanny fashion — and gives a heartfelt shoutout to Sherry and her beautiful number symphony around Long Time Running.Craig from Vancouver argues he'd flip the entire list upside down if he could, with Three Pistols and We Want to Be It trading places. He also reflects on how playing in a tribute band changes how you hear — and feel — a song.Chris from Guelph shares his emotional milestone: the moment Saturday Night Live introduced him to The Hip and forever changed the trajectory of his fandom. He also lists five songs in this range he'd swap out for deep cuts like Dire Wolf, Opiated, and Morning Moon.We talk bridges (and how Bobcaygeon might have the greatest one of all time), overplayed classics (Boots or Hearts vs. Grace, Too), and bold predictions for what's still to come.And me? I mostly try to wrangle the chaos, play devil's advocate, and float the idea that no one will be able to predict the Top 5 in the right order — not even me, and I've seen the data.This is not your average podcast episode. It's a jam session. A group therapy night. A barstool conversation happening in real time. And like all good round tables, it ends in laughter, hot takes, side quests, and one bold prediction from every guest.Here's a sneak peek at just a few of the quotes you'll hear:

Lesley Logan sits down with public speaking coach Aletta Rochat—president-elect of Toastmasters International—to explore how communication shapes confidence, leadership, and executive presence. If you've ever held back your voice or downplayed your strengths, this is your reminder to reclaim your space, speak with purpose, and lead with clarity. Whether you're leading a team or learning to own your story, this conversation will change the way you show up and speak up. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Why your “yes” should come from alignment—not fear.How to use your voice with clarity and intention.The power of naming and owning your superpower.What executive presence really is—and how to build it.Why Toastmasters helps far beyond public speaking.Episode References/Links:Aletta Rochat Website - https://www.alettarochat.comAletta Rochat Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alettarochatAletta Rochat Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/aletta.rochatAletta Rochat Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/alettarochatToastmasters - https://toastmasters.org"I Belong" Playbook - https://beitpod.com/belongingMastering the Art of Exercising Authority - https://beitpod.com/exercisingauthorityThe Artist's Way by Julia Cameron - https://a.co/d/9CwCcIpGuest Bio:Aletta Rochat is a certified World Class Speaking Coach, professional speaker, and president-elect of Toastmasters International. Based in Cape Town, South Africa, she has coached clients in over 21 countries and is the first woman from Africa elected to lead Toastmasters in its 100-year history. Aletta helps leaders and professionals communicate with clarity, confidence, and executive presence—whether they're stepping into boardrooms, big stages, or everyday conversations. She holds a Bachelor of Arts degree from the University of Witwatersrand and a diploma in marketing management from the University of South Africa. Aletta is also the author of two books on public speaking and the creator of the “I Belong” playbook, a self-reflection tool designed to help individuals reclaim their sense of belonging. Through one-on-one coaching and group programs, Aletta empowers people to lead not by being the loudest voice in the room—but by being the most intentional. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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And once you get over that and saying, my superpower is, and this is how it can help you, you become someone who contributes to problem solving on a personal level, in your job, in your community.Lesley Logan 0:27  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:05  All right, Be It babe, this is for you. If you have ever downplayed an idea or thought about doing something on a whim, maybe you've downplayed yourself. Today's guest went from like being a stay at home mom to kind of following this urge to go to a Toastmasters to then being, correct me if I'm wrong, Aletta, but like, the head of Toastmasters for the world, 150 countries and like that. So I am really excited because we talk about public speaking, but we also talk really about how to belong, and I think it's an important message that every single one of you needs to hear. And hopefully, we inspire you to check in with yourself, and maybe, and maybe think about the words that you want to communicate in this world, and how you can get them out there and not be super scared about it, because we all actually are so blessed and so lucky to have special gifts and superpowers. And Aletta Rachat, our guest here today, really helps you kind of be proud of that and own that. And so here she is. Lesley Logan 2:12  All right, Be It babe, we're about to have a very fabulous, wonderful conversation, and I think you're also just going to love to listen to our guest, because she's got one of those accents you just want to all the time. Aletta Rochat, thank you so much for being here. Will you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?Aletta Rochat 2:26  Thank you, Lesley, wonderful to be with you. My name is Aletta Rochat. I'm speaking to you all the way from beautiful Cape Town South Africa. And my passion is helping people be more successful through the way they communicate. And the first person from Africa, never mind the first woman from Africa, who will soon be the international president of Toastmasters International, which I'm so excited for, and only the 10th woman in 100 years of the organization's history. So we are really helping, hopefully inspiring many other women to follow in my footsteps. I've coached and trained in 21 different countries, and I currently spend a lot of my time coaching clients to build executive presence, which is rooted in the way we communicate with each other and what we think about who we are and what we have to offer the world. And the author of two books on public speaking, so you can see, I'm just in the communication game. I love it. Lesley Logan 3:27  Okay, so first of all, congratulations. That is amazing, the accomplishments, and it's a little shocking in the length of time that you'll be the 10th but I, but I love that. I think it's important. I was really drawn to you because so many people are afraid of public speaking. So many people have a desire to share a story. Now, more than ever, I meet people who want to talk about the things that they do. They want to help people. They want to take their story and give it out there. But they could write the book. They could put the posts, but once they have to actually, like, put their face to words in front of people, and now public speaking isn't even just being on stage it's even just like putting stuff out on social media, people have a hard time communicating because they get so scared. Aletta Rochat 4:09  Yeah, they do. And it's, you know, people are scared for different reasons. Sometimes it's you've had a bad experience when you were at school and somebody laughed when you spoke up. Sometimes it's a comfort zone thing. So you find speaking to your friends, but should you be in a meeting at work and speaking to senior management? Suddenly your brain evaporates and you just can't get out. And it's not that the thoughts aren't within you. You've got the ideas, you've got the talent, you've got the commitment, but somehow articulating that in front of people can be very difficult. The thing that I've noticed in myself and other people, when you get anxious, your brain is thinking, oh my gosh, what am I going to say? And you're trying to formulate those words. At the same time, you're watching yourself make a fool of yourself. So the anxiety just explodes and it becomes almost impossible to be you. And ultimately, if you and I were sitting across the table having a cup of coffee together, you'd easily be able to tell me what your ideas were and why they're important. But, somehow, some context freak people out and then they just shut down. And then we don't see the real them. We don't see the value that they can offer.Lesley Logan 5:24  Yeah, well, thank you for, like, kind of normalizing it, because it's a common thing that people are going through. So, can we go back how did you get started in even helping people speak and communicate? Because that's not something, when you're a child, I wonder, like, is that something you dreamed of doing? Well, how did you get into this?Aletta Rochat 5:42  It was a survival skill. I had a very nomadic childhood. My dad was in mining, and from a very young age, we moved around a lot. So I was born in South Africa, we moved a couple of times there. By the time I was five years old, we moved to Zambia, and then we moved to Canada, and then we moved to Tasmania, and then we moved back to South Africa. So I can have I've got such a clear memory of being about eight years old, going to my next new school on my third continent, and standing in front of this classroom of people I didn't know, and innately knowing that the way I spoke to them would determine whether or not I had friends at break time. And of course, very importantly, if you're eight years old, whether or not you get an invitation to a birthday party. And I remember holding my mom's hand, you know, before she said goodbye and saying to myself, Aletta, you've done this before, you can do it again. And at that young age, I figured out a few basics. When you're new in an environment, you listen before you speak, because you've got to find out what's important to that group. And once you know what's important to them, then you can slot in on the conversation. That type of thing. So I had many opportunities to practice that as a child, I was always a kid with a funny accent, the one who started not at the beginning of the year, but midterm. And that happened again and again. And as an adult, with my husband's job, we moved and stayed in America, in Pittsburgh for a while. We lived in London. So, I got to repeat those practices many times. And then when I started coaching, I suddenly thought, where did I learn this? And it all went back to my childhood. So it was just very important to me to fit in, like for all of us, whether it's a new job or a new team or, you know, you're dating someone and they've got friends and family you want to fit in with, these skills are applicable in all those situations.Lesley Logan 7:40  Yeah, thank you for saying that because I also think people could hear, like, you're Toastmasters or not, because I could get coached for these things. But really, we all need these skill sets, even in family dynamics, especially now in family dynamics, not everyone agrees. How incredible, as a child that you're like you learn to observe and also to clearly state who you are and what you like, so that you could be accepted in. That's a superpower that you have. They were traveling and everything. But how did you get into Toastmasters and public speaking? Did your job have you doing presentations or did you decide, because you're a coach, you wanted to go out and talk? What was the impetus to make you want to go out and speak more?Aletta Rochat 8:20  So Lesley, I'm one of these strange people that actually has always enjoyed public speaking. I know I'm not the normal. But it never, it never freaked me out. So I've always enjoyed it, and I did it as part of my job, before I started raising kids, and then I got to the point I had three beautiful children and love being a stay-at-home mom, but I was wanting something for me, and when I went to my first Toastmasters meeting, it wasn't to become a better speaker. I joke that I was running away from my kids. I just wanted me time. And when I got there, I want to, I'm a lifelong learner. And immediately, I was so impressed with the people who were, you know, speaking that evening, and I knew I could learn, so I just followed the desire to learn. And of course, I loved communicating in any event. And I just there was a path I could never have foreseen that I would become the leader of this global organization at the time. But I just kept on saying yes to the next opportunity. They started asking me to do PR for the club, and I said yes. While I was doing that, someone called, and I said, well, come along to our meeting and see what it's like. And then she said, I'm phoning for my boss. He's too busy. Can't you help him? So I just said, oh, yes, I can. And that became my first client. And so it was an unintended consequence of joining Toastmasters was stepping into this role of coaching other people, and subsequent to that, I've got coaching certifications, and it's really my happy place training and leading and coaching is, feeds my soul, so I really enjoy it, and that means it doesn't feel like work.Lesley Logan 9:56  Yeah, you are seeking out things and then you would say yes to things. And I wonder, you know, some of the people who listen get themselves into places because they say yes too much. How did you make sure that when you were saying yes to things, that it actually was enhancing what you were doing and not compounding or stressing or causing you to not be able to do the things that you love? Is there something that you, you measured each yes with? Was it like a gut feeling? How did you do that? Because I'm wondering how we can take your like saying yes to these amazing things, to people who might be saying yes to not amazing things.Aletta Rochat 10:33  I think the reason you've got to, you've got to understand why you're saying yes. So if you're saying yes to get validation or you're saying yes to feel accepted, or you're saying yes because you're afraid of saying no, those could all lead you down very strange paths. So you've got to say yes to something that means something to you. You know, I've always been a volunteer. I love volunteering, but I remember when my kids, my son, was involved in scouting, and they wanted me to take on a role of quarter master, which was looking after all the scouting equipment. I just knew I had to say no because it didn't feed my soul, you know, I couldn't imagine anything. You know, I know they're talented people who do that job, but it wasn't me. So you've got to be true to yourself when you say yes, and it's got to bring you joy at some level, but it's not yes out of a sense of duty, and then you've got resentment for it. It's got to be something where you say yes because you want to give and you also want to learn. So to me, that, it's both sides of the coin. You can't just say yes to give and you're not learning or getting anything back. There's got to be value in it for you. And we've all got busy lives, and we've got to fit this into whatever else you've got going, your job, your family, looking after you as a person, your emotional and physical well being. So sometimes we get it right, sometimes we get it wrong, but I've always been one of these ones. I joke that I suffer from the Helium Hand Syndrome. So when people say, do you need anything? The hand magically goes up and, to your point, I've said yes to too many things in the past and then been burnt out. So I've learned to sit on my hand every now and again and make sure that I don't just it's not a reflex reaction. It's a considered action where I can add value and where it adds value to me.Lesley Logan 12:20  I love that you broke down all of that. And why are you saying I think that that is so important, you guys, I think you can all just take that clip apart. Everyone could just put it as a little card. Am I saying yes because I'm afraid of saying no. Am I saying yes because it's like, I'm like, you know, until it becomes an innate muscle, you know? I think that's really helpful because it is true. I know I had someone to send me a thing, and of course, I wanted to say yes to it. The yes was, like, a no brainer. The reason I said no is because the timing that just didn't work. There was no way I could do it. And so there's that part, that old version of me who's like, oh my God, if you say no to this, they're never going to ask again. And it's like, that is actually a story. If they are never going to ask me again, because I said no one time, I probably don't want to actually be with that kind of demanding space. But typically, I said, Oh my God, I'm so thrilled you asked me. I'm, I would love to do this. The date is wrong. I could do the weekends before, I could do the weekends after. I can't do that weekend. So you know, if the date changes, please consider me again. And they respond, of course, like that would be, thank you so much for letting us know. So it's like, you know, it's not, sometimes we, like I, could I have moved my other things to say yes? Not really. So I think it's really important for us to kind of understand why we're saying yes and what fears are coming up if we are struggling with it, you know, just paying attention to that stuff. What are some of the things that you, tools or sayings that you have that help you show up for all the things you want to do. Is there, like, a saying that you have, or something that someone taught you that helps you because you have so much confidence, and I imagine there was some of that you were born with, but like, what keeps you going in that way?Aletta Rochat 14:01  When I was running for election to a position, I've spent a lot of time speaking to past leaders and trying to glean information from them, and I'd chat to them and get their ideas and share my ideas, and at the end of every call, I would always say to them, what's the one thing in your opinion that I should remember as I go on this journey? And there was one of my colleagues who was senior to me in the organization, and he said words I've never forgotten, and he said to me, Aletta, remember that you belong. And that, to me, was so profound, because if I believe I belong, I'm likely to be more relaxed, more spontaneous, I'm more likely to share my ideas, and if I believe I belong, then I would probably be thinking at a different level. If I'm aiming for a senior position. And I thought, well, if I was in the C-suite, what would be important to me if I belonged, if I already had that position? How would I approach this? And that, to me, became quite a powerful mindset shift to check whether I'm waiting for someone else to tell me I belong, or whether I'm taking ownership and reclaiming my sense of belonging. And when I realized that I show up differently when I think I belong, and I thought, well, why don't I grant myself permission? Why does it have to be delegated to the world to give me a tick and say, yes, you can go the next step? So it's a powerful concept that's meant a lot to me personally, and when I've shared it with clients, it somehow resonates with people. If you belong, how would you show up? How would you speak up? Why would you share your ideas, or why wouldn't you share your ideas if you belong? So for me, it's almost like a fundamental building block of confidence and executive presence is this concept of belonging, but we can't give it to ourselves, and that was a game changer. Lesley Logan 15:55  Aletta, I'm obsessed with this because that is Be It Till You See It. If I belong, I show up differently. If I believe I belong here, if I believe I belong in the role I'm applying for, if I do that, your energy is different, how you answer the questions, you're not waiting for validation. I'm obsessed with this whole thing. So is this a mantra that you have people say? Is this something you repeat to yourself? Is it on Post-It notes like, how do you how did you incorporate it. How did you remind yourself?Aletta Rochat 16:22  It was so powerful to me that it suddenly became part of everything I did. If I belong. Because as soon as I felt as if I didn't belong, the clue was, that's when I'm not so sure of myself, and I start doubting myself. Where I start saying, well, you know, why am I here? So and so is better than me. Any of those negative voices that camp in your head. As soon as they became prominent, then I'd start to say to myself, but no, calm down. Take a step back. You belong. And if I can get into that calm state and say, actually, I do belong, then it's like a whole, my body calms down, my anxiety goes down, and then I can have clarity of thought, because it's not the anxiety tripping me up. So to me, it was just such a powerful saying that it I just embraced it and didn't let go of it. And now I've woven it into the coaching tools I have. I've created the I Belong playbook to get people to start thinking which areas of their life do they have a sense of belonging, and which is there a lack of a sense of belonging, and can we fix that by spending some time and saying, actually, if I did belong, what would I do? And a lot of that is linked in with self-acceptance, because if you belong, you're not wanting. You are enough if you feel you belong. And that's such a empowering thing. And it also just allows you to relax and be you, as opposed to trying to be something that you wish you would be, or you think someone else needs you to be. So it gives you permission just to just make it so much easier. Lesley Logan 17:56  Yeah, oh, my God, it there is an easy button. It's that mantra. But I, I, you hit something, you hit like on self-acceptance. And I think that is difficult. I think we have a lot of perfectionists who listen, a lot of over achievers, a lot of women. They're so amazingly powerful. They're awesome. They handle everything. They're handling their parents, health that's going on. They're handling their work, they're handling their kid's stuff. And yet I feel like sometimes they're where, like you can have the I belong in some areas, I feel like there is a lack of feeling they belong in the areas that they want to be going towards. And it's easy for them to use all this other stuff as an excuse, as a distraction to maybe not exploring the I belong, but also, like self-acceptance on that thing that they're desiring. Do you find that, like, have you worked with people in your coaching practice who, like, they can, they have some amazing areas where they belong, and then they're just not accepting themselves in the area that actually is where they desire to grow?Aletta Rochat 19:00  Exactly. One of the starting points for any coaching conversation I have with clients is trying to identify their superpowers. We all have them. But somehow society has conditioned us to say, oh, it's nothing. I can do this. It's nothing. It's, then we trivialize it, and once I start asking questions like, one of the clues to your superpowers is, what do other people ask you for help with so now you're really good at doing Excel spreadsheets and pivot tables and all this. And people come to you because you can do it in a heartbeat and they take three hours. You think it's nothing, because it's innate to you, but it's a gift you've been given. But where I find the disconnect is we know, maybe at a deep level, we're good at something, but we're almost scared to admit it or to articulate that to someone else, and therefore we hold back articulating our value and how we can help solve problems. And how we can move projects forward, because we somehow have this incredible anxiety around saying what we're good at, and once you get over that and saying, my superpower is, and this is how it can help you, you become someone who contributes to problem solving on a personal level, in your job, in your community, but if you aren't willing to share your God given talent, we don't know how wonderful you are, and you get overlooked. So that sense of belonging often is related to this trivialization of what we're good at, and if we can get over that, so much opens up. Lesley Logan 20:37  Yeah, yeah. I think it takes time. It always takes an outsider to help you with that. It's kind of hard to do, you know, like, there's some things you become aware of on your own, and some people a light bulb can turn on, and there's like, a lot like, I remember I did The Artist's Way once, and I was answering one of the questions, and I had an aha moment that I never had, ever thought about. And I was like, oh, no wonder I never cook. Like, when I was eight years old, my grandfather told me, like, are you fucking idiot? Why would you do this with the bread? And I did not realize that, oh, at a young age, I just kind of learned, you know, even though I was following a recipe, you know. So sometimes things can be done with an, with an, a book or, or a hearing something, and then other times, if you are hearing it and you know it, and you're struggling with it, you need support of someone to kind of guide you. How long have you been coaching and what drew you to supporting others?Aletta Rochat 21:29  I've been coaching probably for about 15 years now, and what drew me towards it? It's I get such a kick out of seeing other people blossom. It, to me that's, the best reward ever is when I share something, someone takes action on that, and they sent me a letter it worked. And to see clients growing in confidence, in whichever way is important to them. You know, it doesn't matter whether they're IT professionals or entrepreneurs or whatever, but to see them grow is just so powerful. So that feeds my soul, and it's something that I just as I say, it doesn't feel like work to me. I feel it's my purpose in life. That's my God-given talent is helping other people be more successful. So, for me, it's just natural to do it, and I enjoy doing it. And you know, I do it one-on-one. I do it in group coaching programs. I do it often with no reward whatsoever, just because I love it and it feeds my soul. So it makes sense. Lesley Logan 22:30  I think that's so fun about a lot of things we get to do on this world now. And so many of us have a superpower, and then we can make it be the thing that we do. And it doesn't have to feel like work. It can feel like part of any wonderful day that we're given to do. I have some questions, because I know some of our listeners have probably heard Toastmasters, but probably thought it was like the thing that their parents did in the 90s. Is that something that everyone should be doing, is it something only people who wanna publicly speak do? What drew you to it? I mean, obviously you run it, so obviously you're obsessed. But I would just like to know, because I remember when I was a young adult hearing about Toastmasters, but not necessarily something that, I've been told I should do it, and I just never did it. So I would love I'm curious now I'm asking you.Aletta Rochat 23:15  Toastmasters, for those who aren't aware of it, is an organization that teaches people public speaking and leadership skills, and we do that in clubs. So clubs usually about 20 people, some of them are bigger, some of them are smaller. And you come to club meetings and you choose your own speech topics. There's a curriculum that you can personalize. We call them pathways, and you decide which one you want to go to. And your first project, for instance, is called your icebreaker, where you simply introduce yourself to the club. We give you a few criteria. We tell you how long to speak for. So we time everything to try and train people not to go on and on or speak too short. And the beautiful thing about Toastmasters is two things, you're guaranteed an audience which often is hard to find, and you're guaranteed applause, and then, which is something very precious. And then in that audience, somebody will be given the task of giving you feedback. And if you were speaking, let's say, Lesley, we love that you did this, this, and this. Next time, challenge yourself. Here's my suggestion to improve that. So it's an incredibly positive, supportive environment. Everybody is there for the same reason. So it's an incredibly safe space. If you want to make mistakes, that's the place to make it. But that if you participate, within three months, you see such a tangible increase in confidence, which you take back to your family, your community, your career. So my advice is go to toastmasters.org and there's a Find a Club feature, and look for clubs in your area that meet at a day or a venue that suits you or a time, and go and visit a few clubs. They've each got their own personality. And don't be put off if they look different to you. They're older or younger than you. Just go and give it a go. You actually will be amazed. And one of the best things about it is you meet people that are different to you, people from different backgrounds, different experience sets, so your life, just by hearing their stories, is enriched. But it's a lot of fun. But you know, it's the best way to do it is just go attend a meeting and see what you think. Lesley Logan 25:23  What a fun hobby. I think that could be, even if you're not wanting to, I love that you brought up like you bring the confidence to the other parts of your life. We hear a lot of people, they struggle to make friends as an adult, because it's so much harder, like especially when you have kids, if you move to a new city, good luck making new relationships, new friends. It can be really difficult. But I sound, it sounds like Toastmasters would bring multiple facets of people to the same place, and so you can connect with other people. I mean, guaranteed applause. Who doesn't want that? But also, like. Aletta Rochat 25:53  In 150 countries all over the world, so, it's very hard to find a country that there isn't a Toastmasters club. So it's probably closer and easier than you imagine.Lesley Logan 26:02  I'm gonna look it up after just to see, because I've lived in the city four and a half years, but I find I have a great group of connections. But also I'm like, well, how would I meet more friends if I wanted to add more friends? Because, you know, it becomes, the city can come really small, if you like, stay in your group and you just have that network. So I think that it could be really cool. And also not that you have to want to go and be a public speaker, but also if you want to present in your office. You know.Aletta Rochat 26:26  In your office, at a wedding, at a friend's birthday, at a funeral. You know, there's so many opportunities we get to, especially these special occasions, speaking, where your speech is a gift that only you can give and you really want to do it well, you know, whether it's a friend or someone who's retiring or someone getting married, what a wonderful way to pay tribute to someone. And if you have a bit of practice, and you can even practice those speeches at Toastmasters and get feedback before the event, so that when the day comes, you can shine.Lesley Logan 26:59  Ah, that's so cool. That would have been very helpful when I had to speak at a funeral a few years back. Aletta Rochat 27:05  It's just so hard to do. It's not easy.Lesley Logan 27:06  So hard, you're so, you're so emotional, you're trying to, like, share your love, but you're also feeling your emotions. But I mean, you know, even though it's my company that I'm running, sometimes I have to present an idea. We talked about, at the beginning of this, it's like getting, in one-on-one, I could, like, totally share the idea, but then you got to present the idea to people who are the marketing department for it. They're the payroll department going, can we afford this? They're the ops department who has all these questions. And sometimes you're like, okay, now my idea doesn't, I don't have as much confidence in it. I feel a little muddy around it. I'm actually nervous, because now I have to translate it to all of you and get you excited, because I want to do it. It's hard. Aletta Rochat 27:45  Yeah, it's not easy, but with a bit of practice, you'll be amazed at how much easier it will get and how quickly you can achieve that.Lesley Logan 27:52  This is, I love this a lot. So what are you most excited about right now? We're in the new year when we're recording this. Is there something that you're super excited to do this year that you haven't been doing before, or is it more of the same?Aletta Rochat 27:59  I think it is growing what I've already done. I've got a beautiful group coaching program, and I want to invite more people into that, where I mentor them for a 12-month period on executive presence, and that group has just achieved so much that that is very exciting. I've also planning to publish a book on executive presence, putting all the tools that I've created and publishing that. Don't ask me for a publication date, because I don't know yet. I'm still trying to get it done, but it's a dream that excites me. Lesley Logan 28:37  Oh, around here, we love reading books, so you'll just have to let us know if there's a waitlist thing or something. Executive presence, is that something we all have inside us innately, or is that something that we have to cultivate?Aletta Rochat 28:49  I think people probably have an ability for it. Whether they nurture that ability is a different question. I remember when I was at school, the headmistress of my school, describing in a reference she wrote for me, she said a letter has a quiet authority, and in those days, maybe that was what executive presence was. So you don't have to be the loudest voice in the room. You don't have to be the best brain in the room, but if you have executive presence when you speak, people will listen because you're adding value, and you will speak in a way that contributes to the group and contributes to the bigger picture. So I believe everybody needs it and can cultivate it and can benefit from and it covers so many things. It covers the confidence, the self-belief, the sense of belonging, the way you articulate your message. So whether you're having to say no to someone, or whether you're giving feedback, or whether you're inspiring a team, if you've got executive presence, it's easier. So it's something that I think all of us should develop as a muscle, because the benefits are multifaceted, and it's not out of reach of anybody. We just have to become self aware, and then learn a few tips and tricks, and then have, build our awareness of others, because that's also part and parcel. You can't just be an island with your executive presence and nobody around you. You've got to learn to get the best out of people and give the best to people so that we all benefit.Lesley Logan 30:16  Beautiful. I think that what you're doing is really cool. You have such a calm, like this headmistress said, like this calm leadership about you, there's just something, and I think that's so nice. Sometimes people have so much fluttering energy. And there's something about you that everything that you say feels possible and doable, even, even if I've heard it before, but the way you say it, it's easy, like the I belong, and how that that can change the way we feel, and how all that can work. Lesley Logan 30:44  I wonder, before we take a brief break, what are the ways that you prioritize yourself because you are so passionate helping people and it doesn't feel like work, how do you make sure that you are prioritizing you in your day?Aletta Rochat 30:58  Got quite a good sense of when I'm not feeling at my best, and when that anxiety comes up when I'm just kind of not feeling me, my remedy is to go into nature, either go walk the garden, or take a dog for a walk or to have a run. Exercise and outdoors really helps me. My husband is very good. He'll just say, you know, what's going on? You know when, if it's Toastmasters related, he'll say, you joined to have fun. If you're not having fun, change something. So I'm also very aware of my energy levels. So, you know, I try and surround myself with people who lift my energy, and hopefully I do the same for them. So I've learned over the years to say no to things that aren't good for me, but I think it's just, it's almost like that barometer you've always just got to check how you're feeling today and if you're feeling off, why? I was trying to track it back, when did it change and what was it? And sometimes it's anxiety. You're worried about something, and then suddenly your energy changes, and then you become contracted inside, and then you can't be at your best. So how do you remedy that? Is it going back inside and reminding yourself that you belong? Is it taking a walk? Is it phoning a friend? It's just being aware of when you can recalibrate to get back into the position that you can be creative and spontaneous and add value, but knowing what it feels like when it's right and knowing what it feels like when it's wrong is a key to looking after yourself.Lesley Logan 32:29  I love that. I think that that's important to give ourselves time to do that, you know, I think that's really key. And it takes, it takes a muscle, it takes practice. I'll let everyone take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you, work with you, and your Be It Action Items. Lesley Logan 32:44  All right, Aletta, you mentioned you have a I Belong playbook. I would like to know more, because I feel like that is the be it till you see it playbook right there and you've made it. So we may as well make sure people have it.Aletta Rochat 32:58  Well, I created it in the process of trying to challenge myself to identify which parts of my life I belong and which I don't feel I belong and why, and to kind of have a playbook where I can say, okay, that's the area I want to pick up on. So it's very simple. It's just prompts for you to follow. But the idea is that you do an inventory of your belongingness, of I can put it that way, I've never expressed it quite like that, and then that'll help you take the next step and inform yourself and just create that awareness that you can take further to get that sense of belonging and to cultivate it, nurture it. Because it's not a once and done deal. It's a practice, yeah, but it's a very powerful practice. So if people would like to download that they go to, I'm going to give you lots of letters here, H-T-T-P-S, you know the story, coaching.executivepresenceformula.com/belonging.Lesley Logan 33:55  We will put that in the show notes, guys. We will put that in the blogs. It's easy to click. Yes, that is wonderful. And do you hang out on any of the socials that people can find you, follow you on?Aletta Rochat 34:07  The best one to find me on is LinkedIn. And if you just Google my name or search my name on LinkedIn and send me a message, I'd love to have a conversation with you, and it's just, yeah, finding out, when I have a conversation with you, how I could be of service and, you know, whether we're a good match. And a conversation is the easiest way to determine that and then to see what's next.Lesley Logan 34:31  Love that. I love that. Thank you for that. Okay, you've actually given us so many great things. But for the people who may skip to the end, or they get to hit this point, and they are like, okay, but what, what should I do next? The bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it, what do you have for us?Aletta Rochat 34:48  The first thing I have is to own your sense of belonging, reclaim it if you've lost it. Second thing is you be the one to grant yourself permission to belong. It's within your power. You've got agency. It's a choice you have. And the third one is then start playing with it, start thinking, start speaking, start acting as if you belong, and watch the difference that results once you have that mindset. So it's reclaiming our sense of belonging. And that'll unleash so many possibilities for you, and it's something it's a gift you give yourself. Lesley Logan 35:26  Yes, yes. Oh my gosh, I love this so much. I think it's a great reminder and a wonderful tool. And so also, thank you for your playbook, because I do think the inventory of belongingness is, is key. People who listen to this, obviously, y'all want to know more about yourself, and I think what a great place to evaluate and have some aha moments. So, Aletta, thank you so much for being here and sharing your gifts with us and your positivity and your tools. You are wonderful. and you're doing great work. Lesley Logan 35:56  Y'all, make sure you share this with a friend. Share this with someone who needs to hear it. Make sure you hit up Aletta on LinkedIn and let her know your favorite takeaways and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 36:05  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. 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In this episode, Lesley Logan highlights stories of women using power for good, from world-changing philanthropists to unsung heroes like Marty Goddard. She also shares community wins and a personal productivity breakthrough that proves how small changes lead to big results. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:48  Hi, Be It babe. How are you? How's it going? Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast, the Fuck Yeah Friday podcast. We talk about what is a win and we celebrate things that inspire us, and we have a mantra, and then we go about our day. So here we go, our win, or the inspiration, actually. The, well, I think this is a win too. So the inspiration that I found on the internet that really like made me happy. This, maybe, maybe it will make other people happy, but I love this. The title is What the World's Richest Men Could Learn From the World's Richest Women. And this is from Reshma's Instagram account, and Reshma had the bike face talk I'm pretty sure, and I really love her. So instead of fixating on power, living forever and winning the space race, Melinda French Gates, Laurene Powell Jobs, Anne Wojcicki and Mackenzie Scott are quietly trying to make the world a better place. So this goes on and talks about all the different things that these women are doing, but I just think, like, these ladies, I know, I bet you know their last names, these are our five richest women in the world, and they are doing epic, epic things from with the money that they have, and they're not doing anything to tear people down, to tear down a group of people. They're actually using their money for good. And so I truly, truly love that. These women are doing great things and so you should definitely look them up. There's an article from Laura Craick that was posted on February 5th 2025 so if you want to dive in more to what they're doing, and if you want to learn more about Reshma, I highly recommend it, because she talks a lot about worrying, about being, like, I only have a few minutes to say everything I was gonna say, and then, like, learning and meeting all these male CEOs and going, wait, you run this company, I can run circles around you, like, so it's just, I don't know. I found it really inspiring and I hope that you do, too. So go check that out. And let's all be more obsessed with what these women are doing, because I think that that's going to make us feel a whole lot better in this world with all that's going on. And let's be impressed and empowered and, and all the things from them. And then I'm going to give you one more thing, and I'm going to go into your wins. Lesley Logan 2:53  So meet Marty Goddard, the woman who invented the rape kit, while she didn't receive credit for her work, shocking, she revolutionized sexual assault forensics. Yeah. So get this, in the 1970s, few women felt safe. There's tons of sexual abuse. Spousal rate was still, was still legal, freaking crazy, until 1993. Let's not go into that, that's going to depress us all. But Marty Goddard was a volunteer for a phone hotline for runaway teens in Chicago. Many callers reported sexual abuse, but not necessarily to the police. Marty took upon herself to further investigate cases by visiting crime labs and hospitals, interviewing as many people as possible. And a standard was set. In doing this, she developed a standard by which evidence is collected following a rape. Her evidence collection kit included basic supplies, cotton swabs, a comb, paper bags, labeled envelopes and glass slides for semen specimens, plus protocols, forms and resources for victims, its simplicity made it affordable, replicable and the more likely to be adopted. The kit opened doors to our understanding of victims and abuse. In other words, these cases are no longer had to be a "he said, she said" sort of thing. She was not given credit. Under the nonprofit Goddard was running, the kit was trademarked as the the "Vitullo Evidence Collection Kit for Sexual Assault Examination." She routinely worked very closely with the police department order to make the progress she did, and an effort to not ruffle any feathers, gave the kit the name after police sergeant, Louis Vitullo. Newspapers credited Louis Vitullo, often reducing Marty Goddard to his assistant or ignoring her entirely. But she didn't chase recognition. She channeled her energy into expanding the kit's reach because impact mattered to her more than credit. So why it matters? The mention of the rape kit has helped countless victims find justice. Survivors still fight to be heard, but rape kits provide crucial evidence that strengthens their case. Hundreds of thousands of untested rape kits sit in a police storage. Goddard gave us a tool to fight for justice. It's up to us to push that fight forward with legislative reform funding and by holding law enforcement accountable for processing evidence in a timely manner. So you guys, we do have some work to do there. I would highly recommend calling your local people and like making sure that they're funding these things. But I just thought, how cool is this person? Like she was more she was more obsessed with getting people to adopt this kit and use it so people, victims, could actually get help. So it won't be a "he said, she said" and now she's getting the recognition that she deserves. Very, very cool. Lesley Logan 5:06  Okay, let's go and do a win of yours. So this is from Tami-Adrian George, and she said, a podcast about pickleball reached out to me to be my guest with my topic, Pilates for Players. The invite is a win by itself. And they why they contacted me is its own win. A second host from a completely different topic and show, I guess it's over a year ago, suggested my name with a lovely glow up. Like LL and Brad have said and has mentioned in many webinars, always about keeping in touch. I would comment on the second host post, listen to an episode and comment maybe three or four times a year and they remembered. And when I asked my college boy which friend group he'd be with and where they were going for spring break, he said he just really wants to come home and eat my cooking and curl up with his cats and chill. So cue the mommy tears. You know, I bought that plane ticket so fast. So I love this. How cool is that, that she made such an impact on one podcast and then she stayed in touch by just commenting. And then another podcast was like, oh, we want to have you on. Because the first podcast was like, yeah, this person has stayed top of our mind. So way to stay top of mind. Tam, it's not the easiest thing to do, and you did it. It all takes work, you guys. It all takes time and effort and energy, but stay in touch with people, even little things like liking and commenting. I tell you guys all the time, reviews on this podcast are, like, revenue. If you like this podcast, you don't have to send me money. You can actually just leave a review. Sharing this with other people, that's what does it right? These are things that podcast hosts think about. So way to go, Tami, you're amazing. Lesley Logan 6:37  Okay, so something I wanted to share that's, like, really exciting is I had this goal. So last summer, I heard about this book called Buy Back Your Time, and it's Dan Martell's book. And it's not something I was like, opposed to, like, oh, we always hire so it's not like a thing that we don't do. But he had a chapter about the inbox, about an email inbox, and I between my email inbox and all the Slacks that I'm in and the communities that I'm in, like, there's, I can't get to everything every day, and then I would get into my inbox, or I'd use my inbox to procrastinate, and it would derail the day, because there never would be something in there that wasn't time consuming. And so what his book suggested is that your assistant goes to your inbox and, like, organizes it, and then you only have to respond to the things you have to respond to, and then they can respond to things that they can respond to. I don't need to respond to someone that Tuesday at 1pm is great for a meeting. My assistant can see that 1pm is free. She can just book it for me, right? That's really cool. So anyways, I knew about this last summer, but I didn't have the time to implement it. There were so many things going on. So first of all, the first win is I did not force implementation of this during a time that we had too much going on, right? I set a goal that I wanted to implement this idea in Q1 of 2025, and guess what?, you guys, before mid March, we had, my assistant had, I read the chapter, she read the chapter, she implemented it, and we came up with systems at work before the end of March. So here we are, middle of May, almost end of May. And I can tell you right now I go into my inbox every day, and it can take under 15 minutes to respond to everything and then move on. And I don't feel like, oh my God, what's in there? What am I gonna see? Oh, I'm gonna get distracted by a pair of pants and procrastinate there. So anyways, that's my win. Really made me excited. Lesley Logan 8:14  So now, it's time for your mantra. Here we go. While the world praises big moves, I applaud the little acts of magic that can make it happen. So, while the world praises big moves, I applaud the little acts of magic that that make change happen. You are a badass. Thank you so much for listening until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 8:38  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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Branding isn't just logos and fonts—it's your energy, your story, and your “why”. In this recap, Lesley and Brad explore how aligning with your purpose and showing up consistently is the secret sauce to building a magnetic brand that truly connects. With insights on storytelling, clarity, and emotional connection, this episode is packed with real talk for business owners ready to attract aligned clients and stand out from the noise. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Why how your brand makes people feel matters more than what you sell.Why aligning your mindset with your message attracts the right clients.Why consistency—not perfection—builds trust and connection.How storytelling drives emotional engagement with your brand.Why your brand should start with your “why,” not your “what”.Episode References/Links:OPC Summer Tour - https://opc.me/eventsUK Mullet Tour - https://opc.me/ukeLevate Workout and Q&A - https://lesleylogan.co/elevatewaitlistPilates Studio Growth Accelerator - https://prfit.biz/acceleratorCambodia October 2025 Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comEp. 57: Hilary Hartling - https://beitpod.com/hilaryhartlingHilary Hartling Website - https://hilaryhartling.comHilary Hartling Instagram - https://instagram.com/hilaryhartlingBrand Vision Meditation - https://beitpod.com/brandvisionmeditation If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:48  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the clarifying convo I had with Hilary Hartling in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to the interview, feel free to pause this, listen to that one, then come back and listen to this one, or listen to this one and then go see if you like the same takeaways we liked. You can do whatever order you want. It's quite fun. Brad Crowell 1:12  Hilary is amazing. Lesley Logan 1:13  I just fucking love her. Brad Crowell 1:14  Yeah. And honestly. Lesley Logan 1:15  You are, if you, if you, we'll get into it in a second, but just like if you to stop, pass and go in this moment on of this episode, you should go, if you have a business, you have to, well, if people just want to stop listening, they could go. They just need to know this real quick before they stop listening, which now they probably stopped. But if they have, they're still here, you have your own business, you have to, like, work with Hilary at some point,like, she's just a fucking badass. And she's, like, so humble about it. Like a hundred box office situation. We'll get to that in a second.Brad Crowell 1:46  It was just 70 something, 75, you know, top box office movie releases, and she basically did the messaging for the marketing team. Lesley Logan 1:55  Yeah, actually she's a bad ass. Brad Crowell 1:56  Kicking ass. Lesley Logan 1:57  Today is May 22nd 2025 and it's Harvey Milk Day. On May 22nd, we honor the life and legacy of Harvey Milk, the first openly gay politician in California and a leader of the American Civil Rights Movement. Time magazine included Harvey Milk on a list titled The 100 Most Important People in the 20th Century. Milk was not only an advocate for the LGBT community, but all for all minorities. He believed in safe, strong neighborhoods and supported public education, affordable child care and equal rights for all. Just right there, we have more to go, but it pisses me off he's fucking dead, because just imagine if he'd lived longer, we probably would have had all those things a lot sooner. But anyway. Brad Crowell 2:33  And this was 1978, we are almost 50 years later and still fighting for the same goddamn things. Lesley Logan 2:40  Sometimes some of us are fighting for the ones we had already. Elected to the position of city supervisor in San Francisco, he held office for one year before his life was tragically cut short in 1978 by a political rival who opposed Milk's liberal views. Harvey Milk's contributions to the cause of equality for all people has been recognized in a number of ways, including the issuance of a stamp with his picture on it, the posthumanist award of the Medal of Freedom and the creation of a holiday in his memory. Harvey Milk Day was officially established as a holiday in 2009 when Arnold Schwarzenegger, then the, then governor of California, signed it into law. Although Milk died, his work continues today through the work of the Harvey Milk Foundation, founded by his nephew, Stuart Milk, in honor of his uncle. I just want to say, if you actually want to go even deeper on this, there's a great movie, I believe, with Sean Penn. And then if you also want to know more, you should listen to the You're Wrong About episode about the Twinkie defense, because the man who murdered him used the Twinkie defense to not have the death penalty. And so I just w ant, like, it's a really, it's also.Brad Crowell 3:49  The Twinkie defense was basically that processed foods and sugar jacked him up to the point where he committed murder. That's just, like, high level summary of it. Lesley Logan 3:58  And side note, I just listened to an entire podcast where there's a scientist who's actually trying to prove that processed food is changing people's minds, and they're actually discovering not in the way that we think. Anyways. I mean, I'm a little upset about it, mostly because I just hate when amazing people are murdered and then other assholes find an asshole way to get away from it. So go learn about Harvey Milk and on this day and do something in your community that can support those in the LGBTQ DEI communities because they need your help. They need people to stand up, people like you. Lesley Logan 4:28  Okay, you guys, we literally just announced Summer Tour. We just did it. Actually it was about a week ago. So tickets have been selling really fast. Brad Crowell 4:37  Like super fast. Lesley Logan 4:38  And here's the deal. Our winter tour, we had several cities sold out in 24 hours, and a ton of cities sold out in the first week. So if you if this is the first time you're hearing about the Summer Tour. Brad Crowell 4:47  Lo Santo, get on it. Lesley Logan 4:48  Yeah, run. Don't walk to opc.me/events and snag a spot. We're doing west coast. We're also, holy fucking moly, going into Canada. And because of all the shenanigans going on, we are filling out intense paperworks, paying lots of money to get our van and our cute dog across the border so we can teach in three cities in Canada. Brad Crowell 5:11  And ourselves. Lesley Logan 5:12  And ourselves. Yes, yes. Brad Crowell 5:13  All the paperwork, all the paperwork, all. Lesley Logan 5:16  There's a lot. So we want to see you. We especially want to see you in Canada. So get your, get your classes, too. One or two, Canadians. Maybe come to two of them. So opc.me/events. The Mullet Tour is our business in the front Pilates in the back, two day event. It is in the U.K., and it is at opc.me/uk. We have a Leeds location and an Essex location. By the time we're recording this, Leeds has four spots left, and Essex is half sold out. So here's the deal. Probably you're looking at Essex only, but just go and look and see. Space is super limited in both and you don't have to be a Pilates teacher to go. Just be a Pilates lover, especially in Essex, the two business, in air quotes, workshops are actually life workshops, and so they're super, super fun. Lesley Logan 6:04  And then I am hosting an eLevate workout and Q&A really soon, it's going to be this summer. So if you've been hearing about eLevate, you're not really sure, if you're a teacher, comprehensively trained teacher, and you would like to teach a little bit more like me and have less talking in your words. Or if you want to have more confidence, what, you explain it, you're looking at me like I'm making shit up.Brad Crowell 6:29  I'm super laughing at you. Yes, you would be teaching more like Lesley, but that's not. Lesley Logan 6:33  You'll still teach like you. Brad Crowell 6:34  The reality, the reality is that Lesley learned what from Jay Grimes for about 10 years. More than 10 years, she's passing on everything she learned to you during this program. It's a nine-month program. It is going to cover all the different pieces of equipment and literally hundreds of exercises that Lesley has learned. And also we're going to connect you with some other amazing, epic, epic, epic Pilates people from around the world during this program. Literally, you've had people find their new best friend they never knew they they didn't have. So. Lesley Logan 7:06  It's really quite fun. Brad Crowell 7:07  It's super, super cool. And then after that, you'll be able to call yourself a third generation teacher. You'll actually understand what to do with anybody that walks through the door. You can stop class planning. You can stop talking as much while, while you're teaching. I don't know why we pick up these habits along the way. Not that I'm a teacher, but it is the biggest confidence booster. That's the biggest feedback we get, is the amount of confidence that's boosted. So anyway, eLevate is awesome. And literally, we've already started filling 2026's group. So.Lesley Logan 7:34  2026 is more than half filled. Brad Crowell 7:36  Yes, literally, more than half filled. And there's not going to be that many spots. So join this waitlist now, when we do this big event, we're gonna do a class, we're all gonna hang out, we can answer questions about it. Is it the right thing for you? Is the timing right? All those kinds of things, you know, how does it all work? Everything. Go to lesleylogan.co/elevatewaitlist, elevate waitlist. Okay?Lesley Logan 7:56  And next, Brad, what else do we have? Brad Crowell 7:58  Yeah, hey, if you are making money by teaching Pilates in any way, I want you to come to my free Pilates income accelerator, okay, it's an income accelerator, so it's applicable to anybody who's taking money from clients, okay, or getting paid as a teacher, and you're eventually hoping to take clients at home or somewhere else, or whatever. This program has been incredibly beneficial to I mean, I've been doing similar webinar now, workshop now for, like, more than almost a year, and we're going to be covering the three biggest secrets that Lesley and I have learned after coaching more than 2500 people just like you, who are teaching people and getting paid for it. So I want, if you want to accelerate your income with Pilates, go to prfit.biz/accelerator. That's profit without the O dot biz slash accelerator and come join me for free. It's really great. So, finally, Les, what are we doing? Lesley Logan 8:52  Lastly, but not leastly, you need to come to our retreat this summer in Siem Reap. You need to come. crowsnestretreats.com is where you can get the information. But, I'm telling you, we have a lot of people like, oh, I'm gonna go next one. I'm gonna go to the next one. There is never a perfect year to take yourself on an international trip. Everything feels overwhelming. And I promise you, I promise you, this retreat is the least overwhelming thing you'll ever do, because once you land on that at the airport in Siem Reap, we pick you up. We have someone who takes care of you. You don't have to worry about anything. The whole trip is planned. We actually make sure you get to see all the things that people want to see, all the things people didn't know they should see, all the, all of the things. It is the most amazing schedule of a retreat ever. And we get to hang out together in this really close-knit group. We're like a family. If you really want to hang out with me in person, the best thing you can do is go on a retreat, because you literally get to hang out with me all day, every day, and we do Pilates, and we do breath work, and we do a ton of other stuff. So it's kind of amazing. Brad Crowell 9:47  You know? So, okay, so we were in Thailand. We were in Northern Thailand, and we went to Chiang Rai, and while we were there, we did a tour. Now, I am averse to tours. That's not my jam. I prefer to figure it out on my own. I want to walk around the city by myself and just like experience the city and feel it. And the reality is that I was feeling overwhelmed, and I knew this vacation was coming, and I was really looking forward to the vacation, but I ran out of time to literally learn all the cool potential things that I might want to do in Chiang Rai and then weigh them against each other and check our schedule and map out my own plan, which is what I normally love to do. I love to get my hands dirty. Lesley Logan 10:29  That's why we do these tours, guys, because he plans every part. Brad Crowell 10:32  So yeah, it was so much to try to comprehend with just whatever was happening in my life that we asked around and we found a tour group that we could go with that effectively planned out an entire day. We did like, eight or 10 things, and I'm not gonna lie, it was fucking long, but it was really nice, because we had someone who could explain what was actually going on. Then we would stop at the place for an hour, we walk around and check it out, and come back and and I, for the first time in my life, since I was like, 18, because that's the last time I did that kind of a thing. I was like, You know what? This is really helpful. You know why? Because I didn't have to plan the damn thing. So that is exactly what Cambodia is for you. You don't have to plan it.Lesley Logan 11:09  Our Cambodia, specifically. Brad Crowell 11:11  Yeah, when you come to the retreat with us, you don't have to plan anything. We literally take care of all of it for you. And I'll tell you right now it is, we have now done, Lesley and I have led over 20 retreats, 21 retreats over the years, not all in Cambodia, but we are really good at what we do now, because we've just got so many reps under our belt. We now have mapped out this specific Cambodia retreat in a way that is just, it's like butter, it's amazing, and I'm so proud of it. And I'm telling you, you're going to get there and be like, I felt like I had enough free time. I got a chance to do some adventure stuff. I still felt safe. I ate amazing food. I met cool people. There's something exciting about being in another city, in another country, and all the things, and we really want you to come join us. So, do that. Go to crowesnestretreats.com crowsnestretreats.com. Before we keep going, though, Les, we had an audience question, and this time we're gonna switch it. You're gonna read the question. Lesley Logan 12:07  I'm reading it. So this is actually so what we thought to just mix it up for this week. If you hear about Agency and you hear about the Lesley bot, or the pocket Lesley, or whatever we're calling it right now, you might be like, I don't understand what that means, because you can't see it. Brad Crowell 12:21  Agency is Profitable Pilates, y'all, so our coaching group where we coach Pilates business instructors, yeah. Lesley Logan 12:27  Yeah. So I thought it'd be fun. I'm going to keep their name anonymous, because I, that would be the right thing to do, but we had somebody ask the pocket Lesley. This person also lives in a different country, so when this came in, technically, I was, like, very much asleep. And so this is so fun for me to see, because I actually do read what comes through, mostly what's alerted, but also i'll just like, you know, just like, out of quality control and curiosity, I'll go through some of the others and to see if I'm like, I like that answer. So this person wrote, they're an Agency member, and they put into the Pocket Lesley, hi, Lesley, how can I get private clients for one-on-one sessions? And Pocket Lesley wrote back right away, by the way, she's so fucking quick and her grammar is better than mine. To attract private clients for one-on-one sessions, the key is to combine clarity in your offerings with proactive outreach. Here's how you can get started. One, refine your message. Make sure your website and social media clearly communicate who you are as an instructor, and the benefits of private sessions with you. High level, it makes you unique, whether it's your expertise in a specific area, like posts where you have Pilates, or your ability to tailor sessions to individual goals. If your messaging is too broad, it won't resonate with your ideal clients. And then the Lesley, pocket Lesley cited two sources in Profitable Pilates that's in the curriculum or elsewhere, so that this person could actually go dig into just refining your message. Number two, leverage, current clients. Your existing clients are your best marketers. Ask them to refer friends or family who might benefit from private sessions. You could even offer an incentive, like an intro session for the referer or for the new client. That one also has sources. Number three, network locally. During your downtime, visit local businesses, introduce yourself. For example, if you teach near a coffee shop or gym, strike up conversation with people there. Share what you do and invite them to try a session. Building relationships in your community can lead to valuable referrals, more sources cited within your Profitable Pilates curriculum and community. Literally, I know you're like, I'm shy. I don't care if you're shy, you are the person who's gonna help people, okay? Number four, partner with complimentary businesses. Think about where your ideal clients spend their time. Partner with businesses like physical therapy clinics, yoga studios or even golf courses. Offer special promotion for their clients, like an introductory private session. This not only gets your name out, but also positions you as a trusted expert. Also more sources on that. Number five, this is the last one, optimize your online presence and show you're easily found online. If someone searches Pilates in your area, your website should be near the top of the results. Simple SEO tweaks can make a big difference. If this feels overwhelming, I can guide you further. It also cites a source. Which takes you to a course that's in your curriculum that you have access to as an Agency member, which helps you write copy that converts. So, you know, like all of that's her. Then she goes on to ask her more stuff. And this person was able to have, continue to have a conversation. But I share that with you because I think it's really like, you're like, I don't know, I don't know how, like, I don't want to talk to like, not Lesley. You were literally talking to me. It's just, it's an AI version of me who's been trained on 10 million of my words over 10 years of coaching calls and courses and webinars. Oh, my God, so many things. Brad Crowell 15:33  Like, so much content. Lesley Logan 15:34  And so what's really cool is you don't have to wait for my response, because if you wait, then you have to wait for my response, and then you could lose two days or three days, you could been working on getting, attracting those one-on-one clients. So I hope it was fun to kind of hear what's happening behind the scenes with the Pocket Lesley, if you are an Agency member, obviously we love answering your questions, so you can just send them in. But I wanted to just override that this is.Brad Crowell 15:58  Yeah, I love that. And if you're wondering what the heck is Agency? Come to the Accelerator that I was talking about, the income accelerator, prfit.biz/accelerator. But at the end of that, we talk about what is Agency. And then I also answer your questions live. So any question about your business there, we can talk about it, but we can also, you know, dig in a little bit more on what is the Pocket LL, and how does it all work. It's really fun. Lesley Logan 16:19  So you don't have to be tech savvy to use her. It's like texting with a friend, and that friend just happens to be really smart around your business. Brad Crowell 16:27  That's true. Stick around, we'll be right back. We're gonna dig into this epic conversation that you just have with Hilary Hartling in just a minute. Brad Crowell 16:36  Welcome back, everybody. Let's talk about Hilary Hartling. Hilary is a brand and messaging strategist for mission-driven entrepreneurs who want to captivate the right clients with clarity and confidence. With 15 years of experience at Disney as a marketing executive, Hilary blends big brand insights with soul-aligned strategy to help business owners stand out. Through her signature programs, she helps clients find their voice and embody their purpose and create a brand that's both impactful and magnetic. And I think she still may hold the record for the most webinars for our coaching group. Lesley Logan 17:13  I think so. Brad Crowell 17:14  She might be tied with Monica, four, five. Lesley Logan 17:18  I feel like we've had Hilary one more time than Monica, but I learned from her every single time. Her last one was the best one. She's just, she's gold. You know, we've always talked about having an ideal client avatar. You hear that all the time, and she's like, they need to be a real person. And so it's an ideal real person client avatar, and she's just, she teaches so much, and she's really, truly great, no matter how big your business is. So one of the things that I love, that she said, is every brand has an energy to it. Every business owner has an energy, and that is what radiates out. She explained that when you harness your own energy and articulate your most authentic self, that's when you captivate your audience. And she called it a reciprocal energy flow, where what you put out is what you attract back. And this is important. This is and I have experienced this in my life, the minds and beliefs you have around your brand reflect in your audience response. If you were feeling like shit about your business. And then you wonder, when everyone's piling on and making your, you feel like more shit. It's because that's what you're putting out. You know, like, that's what you're putting out there. And so she emphasized that brand energy isn't about features, but how people feel when they engage with your business. So a lot of times, you get really excited about the features and all the different things that your business does, but you're not actually talking about how people are going to feel. Brad Crowell 18:34  Yeah. 100% this is the most clear example. Hey, y'all Pilates class starts at six, right? That's the messaging. Instead of, hey, you know, when you take a class here, you're going to feel amazing, right? Way different thing, like, Pilates class starts at six. Do I even want to go? Who are you? What's in it for me? Why? Okay, great. I know Pilates, but that's not compelling enough. Whereas it's like, oh, you know a place where you'll find Zen, community and energy, you know, like something like that, when you're, when you're when you're painting the picture of what they're, they're gonna get, what they're gonna feel when they engage with you. It's totally different. Lesley Logan 19:12  Go from exhausted to on fire, you know, like or whatever, and you but you have to use the words and the feelings that your people want. They might not want to feel like a rock star. They might want to feel Zen, or they might not want to feel Zen, that word might make him feel tired, so like you got to know them a bit. But I just really love that she brought it back to us as the business owner. We have to focus on how our mindset is around our business, so that we are actually attracting the people we really want to engage with.Brad Crowell 19:38  Yeah, I really loved when she was talking about consistency. She said it's one of the pieces that creates the magic for your brand. Consistency is one of the pieces that creates magic for your brand. She explained that not everyone is consistent, and obviously that is your edge. Just keep putting one's foot in front of the other, one step at a time. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. You know, we've talked about the overnight success thing before, which we, is obviously hilarious. You're a 10-year overnight success. But how did they do that? They did that because they just maintained they were consistent. Also, when you're consistent, one of the big pluses is that you stay in front of your audience. You stay at the top of their mind. You're putting out that email like daily emails have the least unsubscribes, right? Daily, weekly, if you're monthly, that doesn't feel consistent, even though you know you're just sending one a month, they're gonna look at and be like, who's that person again? I can't remember. When you're top of mind, people immediately think of you. It's one of the ways that you can be, quote-unquote, become known, but on your own list, right? You're staying known in their lives, wherever they are, as opposed to getting known in your community, which is obviously just as important. It's just that's in real life, out and about where this is, like the newsletter examples on your list, but when people are ready to buy they're going to be like, oh yeah, I wanted to do that Pilates thing, and they're going to be like, oh well, I've been following such and such Pilates person, and I'll just go back and get the most recent email, because they know where it is, right? And she said that showing up, you don't need to be like a rocket scientist or like the the most prolific Pilates teacher in the world in order to build a business, because when you're consistent, you don't have to be this big, flashy speaker, this big person in front of the room all the time to get people's attention. Just by being consistent, you can, you can stay connected to them. So, yeah, I love that. I thought that was amazing. Lesley Logan 21:28  Yeah. I just, I mean everything. If you, if you're listening to this and you haven't listened to her, you should go listen to her. And you have to listen to her, her other one with us, because, like, it's kind of amazing. They're different, and they build on each other, and you'll see exactly how consistent she is and like what she believes. Brad Crowell 21:45  Yep. All right, well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into those, be it action items that we got from Hillary in just a minute. Brad Crowell 21:53  All right, welcome back. Let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Hilary Hartling, I'm going to jump in first. She echoed Simon Sinek, and she said, people don't buy what you do. They buy why you do it, right? They don't buy what you do. They buy why you do it. So if they are buying, why you do it, but you're talking about what you do, you're missing it. You're disconnected from them, right? You need to be talking about why you do it, or why they should be doing it, the why. It's all about the why, right? Your brand needs to express what you believe in, not just what you sell features, you know, and the features or the process, right? So that's where, when we are sitting down with new people to figure out, who am I supposed to be talking to, we start internally first. What is your mission here? What is your vision for your business? What is your mission? Why are you doing this? Why, why, why are you doing this? Right? What are your values? How do we figure those things out? And then who are we trying to connect to that's probably going to really resonate with those things. The language that you use when you're out there talking to people is the secret sauce, y'all, in marketing. It's all about the language you use. How do we figure out that language? We got to figure out these other things first. What is your mission, vision, values? Who is it that you're trying to talk to? What are the things that they connect with? How do we take all of that information and then boil that down into your we call it an I help statement. You know, it's like an elevator pitch. It's like, how do you concisely say something but still make it attractive to them? So you know, it really does start with your why. She talked about the Disney story about marketing the movie called The Rookie. She's like, it's not just a baseball movie, right? Even though, clearly it's about baseball, she said it's actually a story about second chances and never giving up, right? Consistency, tenacity, determination, all those kinds of things. It happens to be surrounded by baseball. But the story is actually about, you know, the success of after being consistent, right? And she said, when you, when you start to identify these things, let's make the parallel. It's not about baseball. It means it's not about the Pilates. It's not about the Pilates. Y'all. It's about it's a story about second chances and never giving up. Their Pilates journey with you could be about carving out time for themselves that from their chaotic life, like treating themselves first. It could be about building that strength. It could be about making sure that they can play with their kids or grandkids, you know, if they're aging. Or it could be about whatever the story is for them. Maybe they're an avid golfer and they blew out their knee and they need rehab, right? So it's not about the Pilates, y'all, it's about the thing in that's that brought them to do the Pilates. Obviously you need to be good at teaching Pilates, but that's not the ultimate point, so.Lesley Logan 24:42  And if you're not a Pilates instructor, listen to this, it's whatever you do. Insert that word there. Brad Crowell 24:46  Yeah, it could be yoga. It could be rehab, pyro. Lesley Logan 24:49  You don't even have to be in business to really understand that you yourself are like a brand. If you like to host people over. It's not you have to sell people to come in to your dinner. But when you're consistent, it makes it so much easier for you to do the thing that you love, which is like hosting people for dinner, you know, so it applies to everyone. My biggest takeaway is that she really tied branding back to the, to intuition. So for my woo-woo folks, this part's for you. She said, when you're in your flow, you only attract what you want. You become a magnet for the best people, opportunities and growth. Her advice is, figure out what excites you and follow it. When you wake up excited you are in your flow. And this is so true, because actually, the worst night's sleep, I slept so hard for four hours in the night dreaming that I need to be up. It was a little I don't know why anyways, but I was so excited for the day that I was having, even though I was like, oh my God, I really need to take a nap, and there's no time today, I woke up excited, and I started with my day, and I, like, did all the things, and here we are talking middle of the day, which would be a prime nap time, and it's not going to work out for me, but I am so excited. I'm in flow because I'm doing what my intuition is wanting. I'm doing the things that, like, really call me. She also advised not to wait for perfection, because it can't be perfect unless you put it out there to get feedback from your ideal clients. So you will never make anything perfect without it actually going out into the world getting feedback, you tweaking it, you putting it back out there. It's just how, it's, nothing, sorry, guys, nothing is ever done. It just keeps getting better.Brad Crowell 26:20  It, yeah, I mean, it's the fail faster mentality, right? You know, the reality is that when you wait for it to be ready, quote-unquote, you know, or you to be ready, quote-unquote, you will never be ready. You'll never be ready, right? And so then what ends up happening is you're preparing, preparing, preparing, preparing for years, but you never pull the trigger, as it were, you never actually take that step to get out there. And the people who take that step when they're not feeling ready are the people that move forward, moving forward right? Otherwise you're, you're hoping that it's going to happen, but you're not actually doing it, right? So, I totally agree. You know, perfectionism, it is such a roadblock. It's such an obstacle, and it holds us back. Brad Crowell 27:07  Yeah, it's really holding a lot of people back. It's holding people from seeing your authentic self. So, thank you, Hilary, for reminding us to go with our intuition and follow our authenticity and go back to what's the feeling. You're so amazing. You guys, go check her out.Brad Crowell 27:20  By the way, she has, like, a really awesome meditation situation. She's got a guided meditation that helps you, in 20 minutes, start to identify some of the main language that you should be using to support your clients or attract those clients. I think we put the link in the last episode, but we can also put the link in this episode too. Lesley Logan 27:40  So good. Brad Crowell 27:40  So go check that out. We love Hilary Hartling. She is amazing. Lesley Logan 27:44  We almost just named her Harling. Hilary Hartling. You guys, thank you so much for being here. I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 27:52  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 27:53  I hope this really, truly helps you in the next steps to being it till you see it. So if you have any questions, feedback, anything like that, make sure you send it in to us and make sure you share this to the friend who needs to hear it. Right? That's how this podcast grows, but also this is how everyone around you becomes better and better and better and makes it more fun to be with your friends. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 28:10  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 28:11  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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Brand strategist and second time guest, Hilary Hartling returns with fresh insights on building magnetic brands that reflect who you are and speak to who you serve. In this powerful conversation, she and Lesley Logan talk about how energy, clarity, and authenticity are at the heart of every great brand. Hilary also shares tips for avoiding branding ruts, using AI without losing your voice, and why consistency is more important than perfection. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Why brand energy creates stronger emotional connection.How to use and integrate AI to amplify your voice.Why consistency is the true magic behind standout brands.Why figuring out your “why” matters more than your process.How to identify and attract your ideal client with clarity.A powerful tool for reconnecting with your purpose and message.Why launching with clarity leads to faster, more aligned sales. Episode References/Links:Ep. 57: Hilary Hartling - https://beitpod.com/hilaryhartlingHilary Hartling Website - https://hilaryhartling.comHilary Hartling Instagram - https://instagram.com/hilaryhartlingBrand Vision Meditation - https://beitpod.com/brandvisionmeditationGuest Bio:Hilary Hartling is a Brand & Messaging Strategist who helps entrepreneurs build captivating, heart-led brands that deeply resonate with their audience. With over 15 years of experience as Vice President of Integrated Marketing & Synergy for powerhouse film brands like Disney, Pixar, and Marvel, Hilary now brings that blockbuster-level strategy to mission-driven business owners. Through her signature programs and intuitive approach, she helps clients translate their vision into messaging that feels authentic, aligned, and magnetic. Whether through one-on-one consulting or her Brand Polish Academy, Hilary empowers creatives and coaches to articulate their unique value, attract right-fit clients, and show up consistently with confidence and clarity. Her work is rooted in both strategy and soul—because when your brand reflects your truth, success becomes inevitable. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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So that's why it's good to define the kind of brand you want to share, what do you want it to be known for, and then really understand how to mirror your audience.Lesley Logan 0:16  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:59  Okay, Be It babe. This, this is the podcast for your business that you always needed. So I know a lot of you are trying to start a thing. You have a thing and you get stuck. You get stuck, you get in your own way. And my guest today, the reason why I freaking love her is that she is brilliant beyond brilliant when it comes to the strategies and ways to communicate who you are and what you do, but she also has this equal way of being energetic and like who you are and affirmative and meditative. And so I really love her, because sometimes I feel like the business world can just feel extremely masculine, and it's a lot of like, do, do, do, do, do, and just like, spit this out and do this thing. And she is very much like, what's on your heart and who's, what's on their heart, and how do we actually connect those? So she is the one and only Hilary Hartling. She is amazing. If you've been listening to podcasts for over three years, you heard an episode from her already. I promise you, this is another amazing episode. So even if this is the second time you're listening to her, you, your mind will be blown. I adore her and you're gonna want to do the meditation that she has. I totally know it. I'm downloading it. So here she is, Hilary Hartling. Lesley Logan 2:15  All right, Be It babe. It's been a while since we've had today's epic guest, but I honestly look for any time that I can be in this woman's amazing spaces, because she's wonderful. She's amazing. She is a rock star in so many ways, and she's gonna blow your mind when it comes to branding. So Hilary Hartling, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?Hilary Hartling 2:36  Oh my gosh. What a welcome. Thank you, Lesley. And yes, I'm happy to be on Be It Till You See It again, but I'm a brand and messaging strategist for the modern entrepreneur, everyone who is mission-driven, passion-fueled, and is excited about attracting the right fit clients to their business with the right positioning, messaging and offers. So that's what I do for entrepreneurs. Lesley Logan 3:00  Yeah and you do it so well, and you do it in a way that doesn't feel like cookie-cutter or not authentic. Like, I think when people think branding, you know, we talked about this the last time you were on, they think colors, logo.Hilary Hartling 3:13  It's true a lot of times. People, well, people just aren't, they don't have to know everything about marketing and branding, right? Like, that's why, you know, I exist as a branding expert. It's like they don't, they need to be educated about what's included, what's involved in branding your business, and the most out there thing for people to see first might be a logo, might be colors, or might even be like a tagline, right? So, but there's so much more that goes into it, and I do, I try to really infuse, find out from each individual business owner, whether it be like I'm doing a group program with my course, or I'm doing one on one, I always want to find out what the vision is for that business owner so we can translate that into a unique brand for them. Even if I'm working with a ton of photographers, right? They're all photographers. They're all going to have a very individual, unique brand, because that's the point of creating a brand. So it stands out.Lesley Logan 4:07  Yeah. And I think like, like when I think about being it till you see it, I feel like, the way you talk about branding, the way that you see it, it's almost, it is almost be it till you see it with your brand, because you're kind of figuring out, like, how do I want people to feel? How do I want them to, to, what do I want their experience to be, and the business that I'm creating that they haven't yet had, yet? Hilary Hartling 4:33  Yeah, I feel like my whole business as a brand and messaging strategist is I'm helping these business owners, be it, their brands be it so that they can articulate their most authentic selves, step into their personal power, build a brand that really, truly resonates with their ideal audience. So and it comes from my belief, too, that I think every brand has an energy to it, and every business owner has an energy. And that is what radiates out when you focus on harnessing that energy. That's when you captivate your audience. Lesley Logan 5:06  Yeah. And I so, okay, before we get like, ahead of ourselves, how did you get into this? In case people haven't listened like, I don't know, my God, three years ago, let's remind everyone your amazing journey. Hilary Hartling 5:18  Yeah. I mean, I really started my, the bulk of my career in corporate for a Fortune 50 company that a lot of people have heard of. It was at Disney. I worked for 15 years at Disney as an integrated marketing and synergy executive, but within that role, everything in my role at Disney sort of led me to what I'm doing now for entrepreneurs, it's really this idea of understanding a brand and what it takes to not only be consistent, but to continually inspire your audience, create fans, and keep them coming back for more. So anything that you could learn from like the Disney brand, you can apply that to your own small business. That's what's really cool. Lesley Logan 5:58  I mean, I think it's so true, because it's like, first of all, you know, getting the first customer is the hardest part. Like, getting someone to trust you enough to spend dollars with you is so difficult, but then you've got to also keep them coming back for more. And sometimes people get so obsessed with just continue to get new customers versus, like, inspire their current clients to still participate in the brand. I want to go into the energy a bit more, because I feel like people don't think of it like that. They think this is my business. These are my goals. This is what I'm here to do. And they don't take in to account their energy. And so how did you figure that out? What was that experience like when you discovered it's an energy? Hilary Hartling 6:41  Yeah, I mean, I've always been into energy, so there's that. But honestly, like, I call it the reciprocal energy flow, right? It's like the energy you put out is what you get back, and that leads to all the things, right? What you think about your brand, and what you believe in for your brand is what your audience is going to reflect back to you. So that's why it's good to define the kind of brand you want to share, what do you want it to be known for, and then really understand how to mirror your audience, right, so that you are understanding what they need, and you're meeting them where they're at, but that you don't, as a business owner, because sometimes, you know, it's up, up and down with, with businesses and entrepreneurship. We know this, but when you find yourself in that rut, how do you pull yourself out of it? Because that rut can lead to more rut if your negative energy is being put out there. So it's, it's like energy, to me, is everything, because energy is the feeling. Energy is the experience. You can't captivate or enchant or delight your audience unless you know what's going to make them perk up and pay attention, what's going to hit them in their heart center, right? Like, really tugging on those heartstrings. Like, if you watch Super Bowl commercials, like, I wasn't actually overly impressed this year, but.Lesley Logan 7:59  I skipped them. I figured the best ones would come forward. Hilary Hartling 8:02  The one, the ones that always get me is like the Clydesdales for Budweiser. And this year, it was like this little baby Clydesdale who was jealous of like the big, full grown ones who got to carry the cart with all of the Budweiser kegs. But there was a keg that fell off the back, and he's like, I'm gonna do it. And he jumped the fence and he rolled that sucker all the way to the destination. Was like, I did it. And it was like, it's just so cute and so fun. But anyways, anything that could tug on your heartstrings, that's an energy. You're deciding the energy you want to create with your brand, with your audience, and it's the energy that's going to pull people in, right? That's what's becoming magnetic for your audience. It's all about the energy. Like, like, I think everything is, but you won't find yourself in your flow unless you've decided to define what you want that energy to be for your brands. Lesley Logan 8:54  Yes and I love you highlighted, like, if you're in a rut, and that's energy you're putting out there, that's not really, that's just going to lead to more ruts, because, like, the attraction, how many of the clients do you really want that are also attracted to a rut?Hilary Hartling 9:09  Like, if you're going around saying every single day, like, well, this just isn't working for me, right? Well, then you're going to attract people who doesn't think your service works for them, and so they're not going to buy it.Lesley Logan 9:18  Right and then, and then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, because that's what you're surrounding with. Hilary Hartling 9:23  Yes. Lesley Logan 9:24  Oh my God, this is, I'm obsessed. Okay, so first of all, I think the other thing that I want to highlight what you said is like the energy that they want to feel, what's going to tug on their heartstrings, I find a lot of people, as they're trying to create what they want to be their brand, or maybe they're in it, I find they get really stuck on, what do the people want? What do the people need? I actually think that they know. I think deep down, they know. I think they're a little scared to admit it, because then what if they're wrong? Or, like, what if they now that they know, what do they do with this information? But how do we figure out, like, what's pulling on the heartstrings? Is it like a series of questions we ask, is it something about ourselves? Is it what our brand is doing? Because most people, they focus on here's my process. You book this call, then I do this with you, and then you buy this thing, and it's like that, that's great. You need a journey. But that's not what people are buying. They don't want the journey.Hilary Hartling 10:13  That's, I mean, it's, it's really, it is what Simon Sinek says. People don't buy what you do. They buy why you do it. The why becomes your brand story. The why becomes the why of your clients, too. It's focusing on, I've said this so many times with you and your audience, right? It's focusing on the benefits first, right? Not just the features or the process. That'll come, but the benefits, that's the thing that's like, what do you really, really want, right? And I I've done this comparison before, like, when I think back to my Disney days, I remember walking into these huge marketing meetings to kick off a new film that we're going to be working on. It's usually like a year out from release. And I remember, like, here's one example. We had the slew of sports movies for a long time. You know, Remember the Titans, and Miracle, and we walk into the one about The Rookie, which is Dennis Quaid, and he's the oldest baseball player to make the majors, and we sit down at the table, and it's a big joke at this time, because we've done so many movies, and they're like, okay, it's not a baseball movie. I'm like, okay, right? It's not. We have to remember this. It's not a baseball movie, no, it's a movie about second chances and never giving up on your dreams. Okay? It's not about the thing. It's about why people would care. Okay, that's what you need to focus on for your branding.Lesley Logan 11:35  Yeah, I love this. It's almost like you can't use what you do as part of the definition. Hilary Hartling 11:40  Right. That gets you, that gets you so far is like you have to be clear in your branding, right? A super big believer, and you need to clearly state what you do and who it's for, but that's just a positioning. That's not the inspirational part, that's not the why, that's not the what they take away from it. You have to think about the whole idea of what is keeping your ideal client up at night that they're so worried about that they're not getting right with that thing you can help with, and go from there. And a lot of times it does, it does help to start from a pain point, because if you just tell them the beautiful, amazing end result, they're not going to believe it, unless you relate with them on why they're struggling right now.Lesley Logan 12:20  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that means you have to be vulnerable. Hilary Hartling 12:25  Yes, yes. You know, there's, there's something, you know, I'm in the midst right now, I'm updating and evolving my course called Brand Polish Academy, and one thing I'm going to add that I'm very excited about is some AI prompts for people, because once you know your brand strategy, you can put that into chatGPT and it can spit you out so many amazing ideas for your brand. You have to make sure they're in your voice. You don't want to take anything just as it comes out as it spits out, but you can figure out so much once you know your brand strategy, you can plug that in to say, I'm training you to be my brand voice and my messaging and understanding my ideal clients. And I know these are their pain points, so keep all of that in mind when you tell me X, Y or Z, right? Lesley Logan 13:12  Yes. I mean, I love that you're going to add that in because it is such a thing. My team has actually built the Lesley bot, which is like, it's trained on 10 million of my words. So, like, people can literally ask, ask at any Pilates business question. It literally it's, first of all, she's uplifting. She validates you, she repeats what you said, she points out what's really great. And then she gives you things, and then questions. And people are like, I don't want to use it. And I'm like, I'm going to tell you right now. I'm amazed at what she is putting out. She spits out way more than I can. I couldn't do it as fast as she can, you know, and she's trained on me, so it's all my stuff. But also they've used, you know, the chatGPT and things that are out there to be like, okay, here's some written work by her. Here is who we're talking to. Here's what this is. And now we need to tell people about X, Y and Z, and then doing it. Like, first of all, I had some, some things like, like I didn't even tell them we're doing this because they heard me one time say, I'm never going to let you do that. I love to write, because I do. I love to write, but I will say they finally showed it to me, and it's kind of amazing, because it gets out sometimes we get in our own head, and especially talk about the rut and the energy. If your energy is nervous or scared or this has to work, and if it doesn't work, I'm like, my business is failing. That energy is not going to help you write and tug on the heartstring. It's actually in the way. And so you almost need to use.Hilary Hartling 14:30  The extra help, a little helping hand. I agree. And by the way, let's back up a second, everything you just said that you preface like, you know it knows this about me and this about, all of that that you just said, that it knows that you had to put in there to explain, to create this bot, that's your brand strategy. That's part of your brand strategy. It's knowing enough about your brand to be able to explain it to someone, whether it's an AI tool or it's someone you're hiring for your business, or it's someone on your team, it's the only way you can create and present a consistent brand. And honestly, consistency is one of the pieces that creates the magic for your brand, because I promise you, not everybody out there is being consistent. And when you can be, you show up for people in a whole new light. Lesley Logan 15:16  Yes, yes. And I mean, consistency is so hard in general, let's just take your branding out of it, just being consistent with your morning routines or consistent in your life, it's not easy, but it is actually proven that when you are consistent with anything, you actually get what you want out of it. Hilary Hartling 15:32  It's so true. I don't know why it's so hard. It just is. I mean, even with the Pilates practice, right? Lesley Logan 15:37  Yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, people are like, I'm gonna come once a week, I'm like, that, that's great. You can never miss, and if you never miss, that is consistent. But, you know, more would be better. You know, like that would be consistent. But I think, like, people have a hard time with that. And so if people do what you say, and they're, and they're focused on the energy, and they're pulling the heartstrings, and they're being consistent, what is a reasonable timeline for them to know if it's working, what are the KPIs that they're using? Because it can't, to me, it can't be vanity metrics all the time. It can't just be like, oh, I got this many likes. Because if you're new to getting followers, you're not going to get a million likes on things like, you're just no, no one's going viral like that anymore, you know, unless it's like some dog video that's, you know, pushing, like, you know. So how do you do that because that, you got to keep the energy up and the belief up. So what do you think? Hilary Hartling 16:24  I mean, honestly, the biggest KPI is, are you booking clients? I mean, that's the biggest one, right? But also, you can look at things like, if you're creating a funnel, right, and you're introducing or inviting people into your brand, what's that first stop? What's that entry level thing? What's that free resource or lead magnet or low ticket offer. Are people buying that because you showing up saying, hey, I know you need this right now. So let me tell you how to do that for either this, only this much money, teeny bit, or let me give this to you for free, because I know this is on your mind right now. And if I relax your mind and you can make your shoulders go down about this whole topic, and you get some quick wins because I gave you this thing, then you're going to be more apt to come and find out more from me, from that brand, right? And so I think that is a very good tool, like, if your freebie is flying off the shelf, right? Whatever it might be off the digital shelf, even, then, that's a very good indicator. Now, there might be other things to tweak along the way, if then that's not converting into clients, but you always have the opportunity to, I think, first connect with your audience on a level that they care about. Because here's the other thing, you are the expert in what you do, right? But you could get caught up in your expertise and not necessarily say it the way your ideal client is going to understand right now, right? A lot of my ideal clients, they don't know that brand strategy is the solution. They don't even know that, right? And so you have to speak to them in the way they're talking about it, saying, like, gosh, I feel like my messaging is all over the place, or I don't really know how to talk about my business in a way that the right people get it. Like, what do I do about that? So some might think I need to hire a copywriter that could be a solve but a lot of times, people just haven't figured out the base foundation, solid brand strategy that leads to all the aligned messaging, aligned offers positioning that makes you stand out. And so it's a lot of education on my part too, right? It's like people just like we started at the beginning, people sometimes just think it's colors and logo. And it is not.Lesley Logan 18:38  Yeah. I appreciate you bringing, remind us like you have to know your business so well that you are an expert at what you do, or at least for who you help, you know, and you have to treat yourself as such, but also then you have to talk to people who aren't, not understanding that expertise. And it's really, really hard. An example is like a lot of Pilates teachers that I work with, they're like, I just want to teach advanced clients. I want to teach athletes, because they don'tknow how to move their body. And I'm like, so the journey of the people you'll work with don't know how to move their body, and so you can do that. And if you have connections to the NFL or the NBA in your town, by all means, go right ahead. They all need someone. But the reality is, is the most of us have to teach the public and the public in your area. And so there are people in your area who could become an advanced mover who don't know how to move their body yet. And so you cannot talk to them like people who move their body because they don't know that. They don't know that that's a solution to their problem. They don't that's the thing that's going to make them feel good. They don't know that that's the thing that will make them feel confident. And so people do talk in the wrong way, and then they go, no one's listening. And. Hilary Hartling 19:43  Yeah, I have a funny double-edged sword with my brand, where people love the fact that I have worked for Disney, and that grounds me as an expert in what I do, because I worked for a brand like that, but then that can also lead people to think, well, I can't approach her. Right? And so a lot about my brand is being very friendly and approachable and welcoming and inviting to see like I just did this, just a one week freebie last week, where I offered my list, and I think I did it maybe on Instagram, too. I said, just for a week, submit a question. I'm going to record a video response, just one branding question that you would like an answer to, and I will do a video response for you. And so I was recording video responses all week long. And people are like, how are you giving this away for free? I'm like, well, number one, it shows me exactly what my audience is thinking. So back to your point of like, how do you tug their heartstrings? It's knowing where they're at right now. And so every once in a while, getting in touch and doing a temperature check and asking, what's the thing that you would really like some help with right now? And all the questions were so, so different. Lesley Logan 20:51  Yeah. Also, brilliant everyone. You should steal that as a thing you can do is, you know, be like a freak you because you do find out what are they thinking about. You know.  Hilary Hartling 21:02  Yeah. That was my whole point. It's like market research, but also it's me connecting with my audience, too. Yeah. So when you stay in touch and you actually form these real relationships, maybe they're not going to book your service right now, but they're going to remember that, and they're going to come back when they really, really need your help.Lesley Logan 21:19  Yeah and that's the other hard part, right, of being a brand that is consistent, it's you have to be consistent, you have to make sure that they understand what you're there for, and stay top of mind, so when they're ready to pull the trigger they remember you.Hilary Hartling 21:33  Yeah. I mean, there are also other tactics, right? You can try to make them see that they need it now versus later. There's other things to do, but still, like, you still might get the, oh, this has been so fantastic. Let me go off and try this, or let me do this and I'll come back, you know, when I'm ready, or if I need, you know. So you'll never know where someone's at, but, and I've had people who I had a call with, you know, six months prior, and they come back and they're like, boom, I'm ready. Here's my money. Let's go. This is the time, right? Like, you just never know.Lesley Logan 22:04  Yeah, no, it's very true. And I think, like, thank you for sharing that, because we've had the same thing. You know, I worked in retail. I worked in high end accessories, and so of course, there'd be the people who came up, and obviously we made sales throughout the day that would be affordable prices on like, you know, $50 gifts, $100 gifts, like, that kind of a thing. But, you know, we really had to sell like, a $2,000 ring every once in a while, ideally every week. And there'll be people who will just come in and go, can I try that on? Oh, my God, I love this. And I would be like, oh, have you seen it before, because they're like about to buy, like, no, it's first time and I just really love it. And they'll just buy it. And there's other people who come and look at it for six months, and they're looking at it and they're putting it on, okay, and my birthday is in six months, and then they come back and they get it. And so it's like everyone is a little bit different, even in a brand that you're trying to attract. And so, you know, the patience that it takes, but also the belief in what you do. Do you have tools that you use to remind yourself why you do what you do? You know what I mean? Because, I'm like, people doesn't even like getting ruts and like, there are bad days. There's days where I'm like, is anyone listening, even though I have tons of evidence that we're doing a great job. There's just some days where you're just, I'm just getting hit over the head and getting a lot of rejection, so. Hilary Hartling 23:14  Well, that's just human, that's just human, and that's just the cyclical nature of business as well. But I think for me, it's always coming back to trusting my intuition and trusting myself, right, which is hard for some people, right? And it's, it's keeping the belief so, whether it be brand affirmations, right, just like you might do abundance affirmations or anything, it's, it's talking to yourself, in a way, and especially if you're having those negative thoughts, it's just like pulling those negative thoughts to the forefront, noticing them and reframing them so that you're not like stopping your energy flow like we were talking about earlier. But I always use intuition as sort of my own compass, and I think when you give yourself room and space to just listen, because there's so many times, especially with branding, where you're looking externally for the answers in terms of, I'm looking at this brand, of this competitor in my industry, and oh my gosh, why can't I come across that way? Or you're just looking for answers elsewhere, when a lot of times, if you just ask and you receive the guidance internally, in fact, you know what I just, I just created this week that your audience might love, is I created, for the first time, a meditation for my audience. It's a brand vision guided meditation. Lesley Logan 24:32  Yes, we're in, we want. Hilary Hartling 24:34  Yeah, anytime, so it's whether you're starting from scratch or you're an established business. It helps you with clarity. It helps you kind of step away from overthinking about your brand, so you're coming out of your head and into your heart, which is what we want from your brand, we want to be in the heart space, it helps you, like, envision the essence of your brand, how it feels, who it attracts, what makes it unique. But also, like giving you some clarity on your deeper purpose and that message you want to share. So I go through all seven chakras for your brand. In the meditation. It's a 20 minute meditation, and you just come away with whatever downloads you get. But you can do it as many times as you want, right? You might get something new every time. Lesley Logan 25:17  Oh, my God, we must link this. And this is amazing. Yes, I want that. And then also, I mean, I feel you need to do some brand affirmation cards. Like, I feel like you needed anything like a deck in you.Hilary Hartling 25:28  Yeah, well, you know what's funny is I used to do it when I like, I've gone back and forth on how I've done my online course. Sometimes I run it as a group program. And when I do that, I would put these brand affirmations. It's just like posts in our community Facebook group all the time. So I'm like, I should aggregate all those, because it's, it is, it's very helpful. And then it even, like clues you into a little bit of what you could focus on today for your brand kind of thing. Lesley Logan 25:52  Yes, I love that. I mean, my goodness, that could be its own lead magnet, or you could actually sell them as a deck you could draw. And it's like, this is what, you know, I just, I like a deck of any kind. Hilary Hartling 26:02  I do too. Lesley Logan 26:03  I just find them to be so fun. I don't even know what half the things mean. Currently, I drew a card from a deck, and it's a porcupine with lightning bolts and stars. And I'm like, unclear what I'm supposed to get from that, but I'm just gonna say you can, like, it have little things that can prick people, and you can be magical at the same time. I don't know what that card means, but, like.Hilary Hartling 26:20  Well, I would immediately look up the spiritual meaning of a porcupine. Lesley Logan 26:23  Okay, well, thank you for that tip. Yeah. It takes, as you, we've mentioned a couple times, it's the constant belief in yourself. You almost have to have a good healthy dose of narcissism, if there could be any kind of healthy narcissism, to remember that you're amazing. And since we are, most of us who are listening to this are not narcissists, you wouldn't be being it until you see it if you just think you are. So congratulations, you're not, if you're listening to this. But I think having some sort of reminder of who you are, why you do it, what you do, like we need those things for those bad days. Hilary Hartling 26:56  We do. We do. It's amazing because I even remember back to my first brand clarity in-person workshop that I did. And I I just found the workbook the other day, and I opened it up, and the first page, I actually put the song, I Believe, from The Wiz, which was the song that my theater company would sing every night before we went on to perform so that I believe in you, right? That's the main message of the whole song. But, like, it's a whole thing. But I put all the lyrics in there because I was like, this is so true. If you don't believe in your brand, why would someone else? Why would someone else? And you're putting your brand out into the world, and you're not like, asking people to love it, you're serving people. You're saying, I have this knowledge or expertise or product, whatever kind of business you have, and I know this helps you do this. It's worked for me. It's worked so for so many others. It can help you, too. If this is what you're struggling with, here it is, right? You never think about if you're in the grocery store. You don't yell at the grocery store because they're trying to upsell you at checkout with gum and candy. You're like, I might want some today, okay. Right? People sell to you all the time. You're on tons of email lists you don't even realize because you wanted the 20% off. Right? Like, it's, it's all sales. It's all business. People are used to that. People are used to you asking, people asking for the sale, because they would never imagine that if they expect value in return, that they wouldn't give you that reciprocal energy back, right? Lesley Logan 28:37  Yeah, I love that. You pointed out we don't get the grocery store. We just, like, we end up buying the stuff half the time. You know, we're and one of my old coaches, she was joking, she did this little, like, fitness challenge, and there was an add on that you could, like, it's called the bump everyone. There's a bump of the cart that you could add that on. And then they got to check out. I was like, well, here's a one time offer. And so she's like, okay, I'm gonna add that to cart. And then it's like, oh, well, if you got this, here's this other one time offer. And she got that, and at the end, she's like, I just want to pay like, I went from a $17 thing to paying you $217. I still wasn't angry about it. She was laughing. Because the reality is is, if you know exactly what your client wants, then first of all, you get to sell it to them, and you're not a manipulative asshole, because what you're giving them is what they wanted. It's going to solve the problem that they have, and you are the expert who can do that, and they get what they need. Otherwise someone else is going to sell them something shitty that you know because they didn't hear about you. They didn't hear that you existed. They don't hear what you have. And so you kind of owe it to them to not let the competitor who's not as good as you getting into their headspace. Hilary Hartling 29:43  That's so right, and that's where consistency comes into right? It's like your competitor might be, you know, 10 steps behind you, but they're selling out because they're showing up. So don't let the lack of that, I've been seeing all these Instagram accounts lately for like the introvert business, where you don't show your face, right? So it's all these Instagram feed posts where it's just like the backs of people's heads and or just like quotes and things, and that is like going gangbusters for whatever reason. I'm sure they're tapping into heartstrings all over the place, right? But it's just so interesting, because here's the thing, there's so many ways to do it. What you have to start with every time is understanding your business, your brand, so that no matter what strategy you want to employ for marketing or copywriting or website design, whatever it is, that it still feels like your brand for your audience, yeah.  Lesley Logan 30:37  And I think that's so key, like one of the things when we coach Pilates instructors, we're like, okay, who are you helping? Why do you want to help these people? How do you help them? I mean, there are people who don't sign up for our program because they can't get past that question. I just need more clients. I'm like, I'm going to tell you right now, there are 17 clients outside for you. You could get probably half of them if you can articulate how you can help them so you don't even have to care about it. You could just, if you could just articulate how you can help them, if that's how they want to be helped, they'll buy from you. You're holding yourself back by getting stuck and making it complicated. And it is complicated, but also, I think it's about being honest with ourselves. Why am I doing this? And you know, and I think some people might even feel maybe it's not enough to just want to help those people. Like, I feel like there's this pressure that we're all putting on these brands, and so we don't get these ideas off. I wanted to have you on, because I know we have so many listeners who are business owners or want to be business owners, and they do not get their business to the next step. Year after year, they're stuck in the same place because they won't just sit and answer those questions about that you've talked about in different ways that will help them identify so that they can be consistent. Hilary Hartling 31:45  Yeah. And the thing is, too is, like, it doesn't have to be perfect. I say this a lot too. It's like, don't wait for perfection, because it can't be perfect unless you put it out there to get feedback from your actual ideal clients, right? You can't tweak it unless, like, you've seen what resonates with them most. So you can't be scared to start either like it doesn't have to be perfect to start. You just have to be able to articulate some things about your business, what you do, who it's for, the benefit that they can take away from working with you, and maybe how you're different from other people in your industry. Lesley Logan 32:19  Yeah, I love that, because also, I find when people ask me what Pilates is I have a succinct answer, and I have teachers going, oh my God, I just love the way you describe it. I'm like, do you think that's how it came up the first time? No, it didn't. It was like, a fucking paragraph. And I was like, well, I gotta shorten that. You watch people's eyes glaze over, or, like, they start to look around the room, and you're like, I've lost them. That's, you know, I've got to figure out, like, how do I succinctly say who it is what I do and how I do it, so that if this person is interested, they stick around, and if they're not, neither of us are wasting our time. But to your point, you got to get something out there and try it out and say it out loud and get the feedback. Where people go, oh, it's like yoga, and it's like, oh, okay, I didn't explain it very well, because I explained it like yoga, so like that, you know. Hilary Hartling 32:59  Yeah, then you can perfect, that's, that's where the perfecting, meaning, the tweaking comes in, so that they understand even so you're more clear, and you can then make it more compelling for them as well.Lesley Logan 33:11  Okay, so I love you, and I just, I, you make, I mean, we've done so much greatness, because you make you want to, like, dig into my branding all the time. I'm just like, okay, let me. Hilary Hartling 33:20  It's so fun. Lesley Logan 33:21  Yeah, it's just really fun. What are you most excited about right now? Do you ever wonder, like, has everyone figured out branding? Are you? So what are you most excited about right now? And you say that the world needs you more than ever. What's going on the branding world? Hilary Hartling 33:32  I do think it's been shown over the last few years how valuable it is to not just run a business, but to build a brand, because it's brands that people fall in love with, follow, want to keep coming back to, and that's what you want to have a long lasting business. It means that you've articulated what you care about. Maybe there's shared values involved. People today really care about who they're buying from and consuming from, and so they want to know that you're someone that they trust and that you have some of the same beliefs or hopes or dreams. It matters, and your brand strategy expresses that about your brand. I just heard someone the other day mistakenly say something about, oh, I'm eating Ben and Jerry's, but I don't really like what they believe. I was like, wait, wait, have you actually gone to their website to see all the amazingness that they do for the social causes for their, and they went, and they're like, oh, they didn't know that. They had heard something and then mistakenly thought, oh, but I really shouldn't be eating Ben and Jerry I was like, no, no, no, no, no. Anyways. Lesley Logan 34:43  Everyone, keep eating the Ben and Jerry's. They're, they're, you know, saving the world. Hilary Hartling 34:47  Keep, keep eating the Ben and Jerry's. Yeah, no, I think branding is more necessary than ever. And I will say this too, because I do have clients who come back to me again and again. So there's, you know, one phase of brand strategy. Which is developing your entire brand strategy, and then it's coming back as you're evolving and growing. So I just had a husband and wife couple come back, and I've worked with their two brands separately, and now they're kind of combining into one, and they wanted to come up with who is our niche audience now, because we feel like we've spread ourselves a little too thin. What are our offers? Because we want to be known for the offers we're creating, and we want a signature one too. So that's what I did with them. We said, here's exactly who your audience is, and now because of that, we know exactly what they need. And here is the first thing they need, here's what it's called, here's how we're positioning it, here's how we're pricing it. Here's the promise for what they get. And we did that with three different offers, and they launched within 30 days and made $45,000. So because they got so clear that they understood exactly how to sell it.Lesley Logan 35:52  Yeah, can you just say it's almost like you're like, speeding up the process, you know, and it can feel like you're slowing down to take some time to go through this and get the clarity, but also then it just speeds up the process. Because once you're so clear, people know that you're for them or that you're not. Hilary Hartling 36:07  That's right. Lesley Logan 36:07  You know, I heard from another Hilary, who's a dear friend of mine, that, if you've hated in the human design. So right now, like, obviously, if you're into astrology, we're now, you know, in Aquarius and all that stuff, and that's its own unique energy about people. But if you believe in human design, we've been in the generator type of person for a really long time, which is very capitalistic. It's very like, you know. Hilary Hartling 36:28  I'm a generator. Lesley Logan 36:29  Yeah, I'm a generator, too. And I was like, I don't think it's a bad thing. I think we kick ass. But anyways. Hilary Hartling 36:33  No, we work hard. Lesley Logan 36:34  We work hard, we do things. But apparently, like, we're going into a projector type world. And I was interested in that, because one projector that I know, I felt like they just project their shit onto you, and so she's, she's a projector, and she doesn't do that. She actually is able to zero in and like, oh, this is what you're telling me, this is what I'm seeing, and hones it in really well. But what she said is, in a projector world, it becomes not individualistic in that we don't help people. We're not in a community, but that individual brands, individual businesses, are going to be the thing that people are focusing on, wanting to spend their time on. We're seeing this right now as people are like, oh, I'm not. I'm boycotting these brands over here because they don't represent my values. And so then finding smaller businesses who do. And so just the way you just talked about things. And this whole conversation where the world is turning, now more than ever, is the opportunity for all of us to shine, to not be in the shadows of these big brands who are making things either super cheap or were super for the masses, but for like, your individual thing, your idea, can actually work and, and we talked about this in the first episode. You all have to go back and listen to it, but even if you don't have a business, you have a brand, because how people think about you, what they feel when they're with you, all of that stuff is in there. And so I just really adore how you make branding feel like it's like sexy and I want to do it. Hilary Hartling 37:55  I actually think brand, I mean, I'm biased, but I do think branding is sexy, and it's you getting to really choose, right? It's your choice. It's your brand. What do you want to build? What? What do you want to leave your mark as? Right? That it's and it's not just mark as a logo. It's the legacy, it's the impression, it's what lasts, you know, forever. I mean, there's all different kinds of examples of branding and brands and stuff, but what's cool about it is it's meant to be different. So you get to decide how you want to be different and make sure that that's what resonates with your audience. Because it's not all about you either, right? It comes from you. It starts with you. You're defining it, you're shaping it, but you're shaping it for your audience. And so being really clear on that as well, because you said there's so many people who get stuck and stopped there, which is why, why there's been 500,000 ideal client worksheets and, right, identify your target audience and it seems like, okay, I know that, but when people really get down to it, they need to redefine it every time for themselves to say, like, no, this is really who I know I serve. It's just like the two clients who came back to me, you know, they served so many different kinds of people, but they decided, no, who we serve best are coaches, and that's what they went with, right, and being so specific helps the brand become more relevant, more resonant and more compelling for people to understand it, get it and buy it. Yeah.Lesley Logan 39:25  Yeah, oh my gosh. Okay, Hilary, well, you know, another amazing conversation with you. We're gonna take a brief break, even though I could talk to you forever and find out where people can find you, follow you, meditate with you. Where do you hang out, Hilary? Where is this meditation? Where can they, like, you know, work with you? Hilary Hartling 39:44  I would say two places. First, my website. So it's hilaryhartling.com H-I-L-A-R-Y-H-A-R-T-L-I-N-G dot com. If you go to the announcement bar on my home page, you click and you download the free meditation. The other places I'm always hanging out is Instagram, and it's the same. It's @HilaryHartling, no spaces, no dots, no nothing. And the meditation is also linked in my bio on Instagram, so you can go grab it for free right now. Lesley Logan 40:11  I think that's beautiful, as are you. Thank you so much. Before I let you go, you've given us a lot to think about, but bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us?Hilary Hartling 40:23  Figure out what excites you and follow it. So when you can wake up excited, you are in your flow. When you're in your flow, you not only attract what you want, but you become a magnet for the best people, opportunities and growth. Lesley Logan 40:38  Yeah, yes. Oh my God, that's so succinct and so wonderful and absolutely useful in everything. Ah, guys, how are you gonna use these tips in your life? Share this with a friend who wants to start something. Share this with a friend who has a business. You, you, this could literally be the conversation they need to hear to actually reach the people they want to reach. And Daniel Pink said, if what you do solves a person's problem and takes them out of pain, you have a moral obligation to sell it to them, moral obligation, and the only way that they can hear about you is if you, if you've gone through the things that Hilary is talking about. And so, let her help you. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 41:15  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 41:58  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 42:03  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 42:07  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 42:14  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 42:17  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Lesley Logan kicks off this FYF with a shocking CPR training stat and ends on a high note with inspiring wins, including an epic push-up record by a grandma and major business milestones from Agency member Jeanne Cho. Lesley also shares her own big win about staying ahead of the game with her latest flashcard project. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Why women are less likely to receive CPR in public emergencies.How a 59-year-old grandma shattered a world push-up record.Celebrating agency member Jeanne Cho's milestone moment.A behind-the-scenes look at launching Lesley's final flashcard deck.How planning ahead turned a massive project into a major win.Episode References/Links:DonnaJean Wilde on ABC News - https://beitpod.com/donnajeanwilde If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/ Resources:·        Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-g·        Lesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/·        Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/·        Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/·        Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQ·        Profitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/ Follow Us on Social Media:·        Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/·        The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-g·        Facebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilates·        LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/·        The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  It's Fuck Yeah Friday. Brad Crowell 0:01  Fuck yeah. Lesley Logan 0:05  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:48  Hey, Be It babe, welcome to your fabulous Friday, right? Oh, fabulous. No, that's not the right FYF. So it's Fuck Yeah Friday. It's just gonna stay that way. And this is where we celebrate a lot of wins, and I love celebrating wins so make sure you're sending them in. We also talk about things that are inspiring, because there's a lot of crap out there, and then sometimes I bring up some crap, but then, like, we educate ourselves. So here's the deal. This one might not actually make you feel good, but we're gonna have, we have two things. I'm not gonna end on some bad note, but so a study found that out of 20 dummies used in a CPR certification course, only one had breast overlays, meaning participants couldn't actually practice on a dummy that accurately portrayed an average woman. So he also found that during a cardiac emergency, bystanders are less likely to provide women with CPR because they wouldn't feel comfortable performing the procedure and touching their breast. When women are blatantly overlooked in tests and trainings like these and others, crash test dummies or defibrillator pad trainings, it is, not only proves to be unjust, it can quite literally mean life or death. So ladies we've got to know this. We need to know we're less likely to receive CPR. And I don't want to say that to scare you. That's not what I'm trying to do here. What I am also trying to do is educate us, right? Because I have done CPR classes like every other year, and I can tell you right now, never in my life it has one of my dummies had breasts on it, and something that I embarrassingly, am aware of as, like, I have a very hard time with the Heimlich maneuver. I have a very hard time finding people's belly buttons. I'm like, oh my God, we were at this restaurant and someone's choking. I'm like, I noticed she's choking at the table. I was about to give I'm like, I know that she doesn't have time, like, and I know how to do it, and I also know that I have the hardest time finding the belly button. And as I got up from the chair and screamed she's choking, a doctor right next door, got up and did the whole thing, and I was thank God for medically trained people. But I just want to say, even as a woman with breast, we need to know these things, so go get trained. We should start demanding these things. You know, if we start doing that, maybe this can change how things are. Lesley Logan 2:41  Okay, so, but because I don't want us to be angry all fucking time because it's annoying. Here we go. This is gonna be so cool. So a grandma does 1575 push ups in one hour, her second world record after planking for four and a half hours. So go grandma. Yep, she racks up a second world record, 1575 push ups. That is insane. She is a grandmother of 12 people, you guys. Here's her name, DonnaJean Wilde, 59, from Alberta, Canada. I mean, this happened last September, but girl, you are impressive. I don't feel the need to have to ever do this. But I actually love that you did it. And I think the more we have records like this from women like you, the more young girls and those 12 grandkids, and the friends of those 12 grandkids can see like, wow, look at all the things that I can do. Look how unstoppable you are. So freaking cool, right? So cool. So anyways, thanks, grandma. Thanks. Thanks, DonnaJean Wilde. Lesley Logan 3:42  Okay, so now let's do your wins. All right. This one is from Jeanne Cho she is an Agency member, and I'm actually super stoked for her. She's a part of our new agency as well, and she's been using the Lesley bot, and it's really fun to see how this bot, who's been trained on 10 millions of my words, has been helping this amazing person out. So, Jeanne, we got two wins to share of yours today. So you'll be our wins today. A client who loudly complained and quit with price increase last spring just came back. I mean, yeah, that's what happens. Because they're like, I went to other places and the cheaper ones aren't as good as you. So, go Jeanne. Jeanne hired a sub to teach when I travel and for the hours I don't want to work, feels like progress. Fuck yeah. Completely booked for the next month. Way to go. Event Marketing Company reached out about a well paid opportunity to provide Pilates at a running event with huge brand sponsors. Even if I don't get it, I'm thankful for opportunities that come my way. Yes, I love that Jeanne, thanks for like sharing that we can be grateful for just having the opportunity come the way, even if it doesn't pan out, I think that's beautiful. Old clients continue to find their way back, and new clients are walking in. Two new clients this week, in fact, and those hours replace my injured two time a week, client who's out for three months, one new client has expressed uplifting appreciation that can't help but make me feel awesome. She had two diastasis repair surgeries and had been declined another studio. She felt the difference after one session and is excited to work together. That is so beautiful. I mean, I hate that she was declined for another studio, but honestly, I also don't mind if a teacher was, didn't feel comfortable that they didn't sell her on something that wasn't going to work for her. So way that I'm glad that she found you. The second new client is a referral. They are college roommates currently, and shows that even students who can't afford Pilates can afford Pilates, and the initial client even took a winter break off, but dutifully came back. Jeanne, look at all these wins. I love it. I think wins can be these little things that just keep adding up, and we have to look for these wins. It can be as simple as someone came back after complaining a month, a year ago. Look at that. It's a win. That's a testament to, like, what you did. Lesley Logan 5:44  Okay, now, one of my wins. So this is a couple months old, but I haven't been able to tell you guys yet, the Accessory Flashcard project, my final deck in the series, was on time. Everything was on time. The entire team. I mean, obviously we should be by now, but, like, we were on time for everything. And the presale went so amazing, and people were so excited. And I mean, their excitement was really what made the whole thing so fun. And the deck is really cute as well. Yes, by now, we should know what we're doing, and we should be on time with things, but the reality is is like, there's always life that lifes in there. And so what I can say is we planned ahead. We put time, block things the way we wanted to, and it actually all did work out like it was supposed to. And I'm currently filming the tutorials for it, and we're going to be done a month in advance, because my assistant and I have been really, really working on like, how do we stay two months ahead? So if I ever get sick or something ever pops up, we can always say yes to things we want to do. So I'm so proud. The win, this is not a small win, of course, the accessory flashcard deck going to presale and going to print, it will be finished when we actually get to hit ship on those things in the summer. But it's not one of those, like, small wins. It's not an esoteric win. It's obviously like a big project win. But what I'm celebrating right now is it's really easy to procrastinate, to postpone, to delay, it's really easy to start a project not finish. No one would have cared, really, if we're like, it's gonna be another six months, everyone. But we worked a year ago at planning this out, and then we made adjustments on this project based on the last rollout. And I think if you can always reflect, refine and continue, then even if we start a new project that has nothing to do with the flashcards, I know the team, and I know how long things take, and we can take that information to make sure the next thing goes off without a hitch. And that, to me, is the win. Like you learn your lessons from the experiences you have. In fact, we actually all learn more from a failure or from a mistake than we do from a success. So I'm just so proud of this team. I'm so proud of all of you. We couldn't do this whole thing without all of you. So just thank you so much. Lesley Logan 7:49  Okay, here's your mantra for your weekend, and then you can go. Rest is my medicine, peace is my birthright. Rest is my medicine, peace is my birthright. Rest is my medicine, peace is my birthright. Babe, you're amazing. Thank you so much for being a listener, and thank you for sending your wins, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 8:10  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 8:52  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 8:57  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 9:01  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 9:08  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 9:12  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Lesley and Brad break down the mindset shifts that helped them go from feeling stuck to living with purpose—drawing from the conversation with transformational coach Kevin Carton. They dive into the four levels of consciousness, the surprising truths about vision and identity, and the importance of curiosity when stepping into who you're meant to be. Tune in for a conversation about intentional living and the inner work it takes to grow into your next level. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How the four levels of consciousness reveal what's really keeping you stuckHow curiosity can help you reconnect with your soul's purpose. Why many people unintentionally avoid going after what they desire. How daily gratitude shifts your mindset and reinforces identity.Episode References/Links:OPC UK Mullet Tour - https://opc.me/ukeLevate Mentorship Program - https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/Pilates Studio Growth Accelerator - https://prfit.biz/acceleratorCambodia October 2025 Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comOPC Perks - opc.me/perksKevin Carton Website - https://kevincarton.com/Kevin Carton Instagram - https://instagram.com/kevinfcartonScience and Spirituality - https://beitpod.com/scienceandspiritualitypodMetacognition Meditation - https://beitpod.com/metacognitionmeditationBuy Yourself the F*cking Lilies by Tara Schuster – https://a.co/d/81moWWDEverything is Tuberculosis by John Green - https://a.co/d/0YpCvguJohn Green on The Chris Haye Podcast - https://beitpod.com/chrishaye If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/ Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/ Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Brad Crowell 0:00  I am that thing. I have that thing already. I am an entrepreneur. I am a super mom. I am a race car driver. I am a whatever it is, the thing that you want, you know, in your life, instead of when that happens for me, you act as if you are it now, already. That is the definition of be it till you see it. Lesley Logan 0:20  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:59  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the profound convo I have with Kevin Carton in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause us now and go back and listen to that one or you can listen to this one and listen to that one. He's such a sweetheart. I mean that in like, the not.Brad Crowell 1:19  Really brilliant guy.Lesley Logan 1:20  Brilliant and patient and kind and profound is a good word for him. It really, really is. I learned so much and we actually got to have him in the Agency group as well, elaborating more on what we talked about. So Agency members, you can check out that goodness. Brad Crowell 1:35  Yeah, we're actually going to be including it in the Agency curriculum pretty soon, so stay tuned for that it's gonna be great. Lesley Logan 1:41  Yeah, if you wanna know what Agency is here let's stay tuned, Brad's going to talk about Accelerator in seconds. Today is May 15th and it's National Notebook Day. National Notebook Day is celebrated on the third Thursday of May, and this year it falls on May 15th. It's a holiday that encourages people to record their thoughts, events and information in a notebook. It's especially important to have a notebook or journal if you're the type of person whose mind goes to so many places at once. One of the many reasons why keeping track of varieties is beneficial is that it helps you focus the mind. People will often revisit their journal entries when they need inspiration or ideas. And I just thought, focus the mind, we, I feel like it's a Kevin Carton thing, but also, because I can't choose one, I have ADHD, and I like a lot of things. And so also, Today is National Senior Fraud Awareness Day. So go check that out. Essentially, it means what it means. Make sure you're seeing your people in your life. Brad Crowell 2:29  Educate your parents. Educate your parents.Lesley Logan 2:30  You guys don't deal, don't don't touch the toll link that they're sending you. Brad Crowell 2:35  Yeah, the toll link isn't real. Lesley Logan 2:37  They're never gonna text you. They don't know your number. They don't know your license plate. Brad Crowell 2:40  We just had someone try to hack your Instagram account. They sent us a spam email that said your post has been. Lesley Logan 2:45  Oh, yeah, copy, copyright infringement. And I told the team. I was like, guys, that's my face and it's my word.Brad Crowell 2:51  Yeah and there was no music. So what copyright infringement could there be? But it was a fraud link. So they're getting real sneaky. Lesley Logan 2:57  Yeah, yeah, really. Because, I mean, I sent to the team, because I was like, there's something wrong here. But no, just assholes. And then also, it's Tuberculosis Day, TB Day. There's actually a couple different holidays to have to do with this. And the reason I'm bringing it up right now is, actually listen to Chris Hayes do an interview. Was it with John Green or with a guy who talked about John Green? Brad Crowell 3:16  No, I think it was the author. Lesley Logan 3:18  Oh, with John Green. Okay, so here's the, John Green wrote a book, Everything is Tuberculosis. By the way, have you ever looked at tuberculosis the word? It's tubular something, something sclerosis. And so everyone like it's.Brad Crowell 3:30  Tubular sclerosis? Lesley Logan 3:32  No, it's got, like, there's like, extra S's and O's, at any rate, you can see why we call it TB. It's really important that you guys actually understand what's going on in the world of fucking things around, is that.Brad Crowell 3:46  Wait, what? In the world of.Lesley Logan 3:49  They're fucking things up like. Brad Crowell 3:50  Yeah, they're fucking things up. They're fucking around.Lesley Logan 3:51  In the world where they fuck around, we're about to find out what that means, which is, according to John Green, we didn't just go back a couple steps, we fell down the steps. Brad Crowell 3:52  We like fell down the ladders. Lesley Logan 3:54  And like, everything is TB is just that, like, TB actually can't kill people, does kill people. There are drug resistant versions of this, and when they study TB, it helps them understand every other disease and illness out there. And so I highly recommend reading Everything is Tuberculosis. And if you're like me and you have a hard time focusing on a book. Go listen to the episode with John Green on Chris Hayes' podcast. No sponsorship here. I would love to have Chris Hayes on or John Green. I don't know what the be it till you see it angle would be, except just tell me how bad we really are. Anyways, but that it's TV day as well. Lesley Logan 4:36  Okay, we're headed to the UK. We have two stops. It's our first time in a couple of years. Space is super limited. Legitimately, guys, there is 18 spots in one space and 20 in another. And that might sound like a lot to you, but it's not a lot of people. So you want to snag your spot for that. The deal is amazing, opc.me/uk we're going on a summer tour this summer and if you want to make sure that you are in on the deets, which will be announced any day now, then you want to go to opc.me/events, we make sure those people always hear about it.Brad Crowell 5:04  And then I'll be spending the weekend by myself because. Lesley Logan 5:08  I'm spending the weekend by myself. You're with friends. Brad Crowell 5:11  Lesley is going to be teaching the Cadillac Workshop Weekend for eLevate, round five, which is very intense. It's literally 24 hours on Zoom over three days.Lesley Logan 5:21  That's overwhelm. Those of you who are seeing eLevate, it's only 12 hours for you. Brad Crowell 5:25  Yeah, it's only, it's only half of that for participants, but she's doing two rounds. But we love these weekends, eLevate is really a fun, amazing program, and I can tell you, as someone who watches it all happen from the side, how epic it is, because people actually come together and nerd out like deep, deep, deep dive on Pilates over nine months, and what they get out of this program is literally life changing in every element of their life. It's not just about the Pilates, but this weekend is really, really cool. So if you're ever considering deeper dive into Pilates and you're a teacher, that's the one requirement, if you're already a teacher, go to lesleylogan.co/elevate that's L-E-S-L-E-Y logan dot co slash elevate for more information, when you get started, there you and I can talk, and we'll talk through the whole thing. If you are a teacher and you're taking clients at all, I want you to join me for a free webinar. It's a Profitable Pilates webinar. We're going to talk about money. Okay, we're gonna talk about money. We're talking about clients marketing. We're talking about mindset. We're gonna dig in, and we're gonna get nerdy on how do you apply these things to what you're doing to change the trajectory, okay, if you're like, I feel like I'm spinning my wheels. I'm feeling very stuck. I can't seem to get new clients. I hate trying to get new clients. I hate telling people how much I charge. If any of these things resonate with you, come to this webinar. It's called the Growth Accelerator, prfit.biz/accelerator. It's totally free. We're gonna dig in, and then you can there's Q&A element to it as well. So that's profit without the O dot biz slash accelerator. It's totally free. And then finally, Cambodia. Lesley Logan 7:07  Cambodia. Come and have Pilates for free with us. This is for you. If you just love Pilates, if you're pie curious, if you want to go travel the world and you want someone to curate it for you, this retreat is for you. It's an amazing experience. You're in the village with us. You stay at our house. We do five Pilates classes. We do breath work, we do some manifestation workshop, not just the woo, woo type. We actually get down and dirty on like, how do you actually make sure that your schedule allows you to live the life that you want to live, which includes taking care of you and making yourself a priority. And we tour temples, and we do a water village, and we do a lotus run, and run, like a lotus tour, and then we also eat amazing food. So I want you to come.Brad Crowell 7:41  Yeah, it's gonna be amazing. It's like our favorite place to be, honestly, with everything that's insane going on right now in the world, in life.Lesley Logan 7:49  I can't wait to be out of all of it for a week. Brad Crowell 7:52  It's like an opportunity to set yourself up for some peace, relaxation, a little bit of adventure, exploration. It's going to be a great reprieve. It's going to be a retreat and on purpose. So come join us for it. You deserve it. It's your time. Lesley Logan 8:07  Yeah, you're going to vote whenever it's time to vote. You're going to protest whenever it's time to protest, and you're going to take a week with us in Cambodia to recharge and refresh and get back out there. Brad Crowell 8:16  crowsnestretreats.com crowsnestretreats.com.Lesley Logan 8:21  I got halfway through filling this out and like. Brad Crowell 8:23  Before we get any further, we got an audience question here.Lesley Logan 8:26  Right, babe. Brad Crowell 8:27  Right, so Fit Prom Karen is asking on YouTube, hey, what's the difference between the black nylon and leather straps? How do they hold up or move for circular movement? And she was talking about on the Reformer. Lesley Logan 8:40  Yeah, so, okay, there's so many different types of Reformers out there, and there are Reformers that use, like, ropes and pulleys, and they usually have loops, and those loops can be cloth, and then, because of COVID, they've turned into this, like, vinyl type of a thing, which is not super comfortable. It's a little thick, but it's easy to wipe down. And then there's also the leather straps that also on wheels, and they also have handles, and then they have extension straps to make the loops. So there's a huge difference. And as far as the circular movement, I actually think that if you work with the leather straps and handles. Brad Crowell 9:11  Sorry, where are these straps? I'm trying to envision this because there's, like, multiple straps on a Reformer. We're not talking about the long straps, are we?Lesley Logan 9:18  We're talking about the long straps. Brad Crowell 9:19  The long straps, okay, so we're not talking about the things that hang over the tail.Lesley Logan 9:22  You know, when we're on a tour, yeah, not the one, well, those are extension straps, but yes. Brad Crowell 9:22  Extension straps, okay, so that's the difference.Lesley Logan 9:22  You know when we're on tour and some of them I have to push the risers down because they use ropes. Okay, so the particular device that it's on will turn around so when they make circles, the ropes stay in this little groove thing, and it circles like it turns with it. And the leather straps don't have that. They're just on a wheel, but you can still circle. You can still circle. What I would say is actually a lot, a lot of people that I work with who use the ropes. I highly encourage you to order the neoprene handles. They usually are on your Cadillac, or you can order them on their own and clip it on to your straps, because you are going to get even more out of those circles every single exercise if you have a handle in your hand, because the way your hand reacts to the handle will tell me if your arms are connected to your back. So I can look at a room of people. Brad Crowell 9:49  Which does not happen if it's just a loop. Lesley Logan 10:18  Well, it can, but you have to, you have to be aware, and it's really hard because you don't have anything visually to show you that your hand is turned at an angle. So if you're watching on YouTube, it's really easy for your hand to be at a 45 degree angle, versus perfectly holding a bowl of soup or perfectly ready to shake someone's hand. Brad Crowell 10:38  Is that what we're doing, we're holding soup? Lesley Logan 10:39  Usually I tell people to hold a margarita. So at any rate, the pinky side of your hand needs to be attached to the handle at all times. And when you're using those loops, it's kind of touching it. So you think it's working, but then your hand is actually not the right angle to help you to connect your muscles from your back. And a lot of people end up using the top of their shoulders or the front of their shoulders, or their biceps and their elbows, and they're not using their back. And then the other thing that those loops can encourage without you noticing it is really easy for your wrist to bend, and so then you're holding this loop with your bent, wrist is bent, and now you're not getting any of the benefits. So loops are great for the feet. There's nothing wrong with it, and I actually am not knocking anything like, we have affiliate links to Balanced Body and to Contrology, so if you prefer the ropes, you can have them. I just highly encourage you to get handles and use handles in your hands and loops on your feet. Brad Crowell 11:23  Yeah, if you're interested in that link, go to opc.me/perks P-E-R-K-S opc.me/perks and scroll down, you'll find the links to all the equipment that we recommend. So stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into this fantastic conversation that Lesley had with Kevin Carton, and he's going to share some fancy metaphysical stuff with you all. We'll talk to you soon. Brad Crowell 11:48  All right, everybody, welcome back. Let's dig into this convo with Kevin Carton. He's a multifaceted individual dedicated to helping others achieve their potential. Certified by the Brave Thinking Institute, he operates as an inspirational speaker, teacher and transformational life coach. That's what the Brave Thinking Institute is, they certify life coaches, and it's not like a, you know, $250 weekend certification y'all this is way bigger deal than that. With significant experience, he focuses on empowering individuals to identify their life's purpose, overcome personal obstacles and build self-belief through various methods, including his widely popular podcast, Science and Spirituality, co-hosted with his brother Chris Carton, Science and Spirituality, they are, like, you know, a million plus downloads. It's a big pod. It's a really cool thing. I definitely recommend you check that out. Science and Spirituality and his brother Chris, two of them are enjoyable to listen to, just very knowledgeable. So.Lesley Logan 12:43  Also, can you say it like, how cute, Chris and Kevin Carton, like, it's just like. Brad Crowell 12:45  Chris and Kevin Carton. Lesley Logan 12:46  You know, I love when people make sure alliteration happened. It just all flows together. So many things to love about what he said. But I really enjoyed that he talked about he believes that our soul's purpose is really what our heart calls for the most to live the most alive life that we possibly can. And he, also about focusing on becoming more alive, more aware, more happy, more loving. He also said that if you're struggling to identify your purpose, it's because you have to get curious. And it made me just think, you know, when you're a kid, you're like, asking all these questions. You're like, so curious. Why is the sky blue? Why is this? Why is it? And because parents are fucking exhausted and overworked and underpaid, and they are stressed out to the ninth, especially the parents today, because why wouldn't you be, it's really easy to kind of like, crush that curiosity and. Brad Crowell 13:31  I mean even, not, also inadvertently, it could just be like, here's an iPad I can't deal with you right now.Lesley Logan 13:36  It's all, I actually would say it's all inadvertently. But and then at school, the curiosity is not what actually is you're graded on. It's like, on how well you memorized. And so I think that, like, you start as a kid as very curious, and then you go through life and you're just forced to, like, memorize what's right and what's wrong. And so you don't actually cultivate a curious brain. I actually was really grateful, because Pilates made me get really curious. Because, well, not not just Pilates in general, I will say very specifically, Pilates with Vintage, with Jay, with Sandy and Karen. Like, there was not a one answer to a question. It was like, well, I don't know, how's it feel? And they would want you to get curious, like they. Brad Crowell 13:43  You have to dig in and connect with yourself to actually draw a conclusion. Lesley Logan 14:15  Was really hard for me. I would just go, just tell me what it is, right. I just want to get it right. So I think that's why I can really attract this perfectionist, but also why I love what we do. But I just thought it was really great, like, be more curious, you know. And then he also said, we're given dreams, and it's up to us to accept and become aware of them like we're given them. And that made me just think of Big Magic and how, like, ideas want to be born and things want to happen. And if we're not there to, like, pick what's being left for us, they're gonna go. But if we can be aware of them, we get to actually enjoy them, and we get to have this gift that we've been given. What did you love? Brad Crowell 14:49  He talks about the four levels of consciousness. This is effectively applied to how each of us lives, our lives, how we experience our lives. So there's four levels of consciousness, and I'm gonna briefly run through with them all. So level one is victimhood, two is responsibility, three is called flow, and then four is oneness. Okay? Now, what does that actually mean? Level one, victimhood, life is happening to me, at me, you know, against my wishes. Why do these things happen to me? I'm blaming everybody except for myself, right? It's considered the lowest state of consciousness, and it's actually it diminishes your life. So sometimes what we default to, and the thing is, it's easy to stay in the victimhood. Lesley Logan 15:33  I think we all get annoyed by those people. Like, once you're not that person, you're like, I gotta get away. Brad Crowell 15:37  Yeah, so level two responsibility, life is happening by me. You're taking responsibility for your actions, for your thoughts, for your responses. You're recognizing your own ability to create desired outcomes. And this is like, probably, I think, most people live life more often than not, in levels two and three, kind of transitioning between two and three, and then four. We tap into four occasionally, but then we shift around like that was a good question that you had for him. But life is happening by me is level two, responsibility on making decisions, on purpose. Level three. Life is happening through me. This is the flow state, a sense of connection to a larger life force, letting go of excessive control, experiencing a natural flow of things, where things work out more easily. You know, I think we've all experienced the flow state, right? We're in the zone, as like to call it. I know when I was working in the office, my entire goal, like when I worked for somebody else, my entire goal was once a day, to forget what time it was, because I was so in the zone, right? Put my headphones on, drown out the rest of the world. Get focused and allow myself to be in that state. And honestly, when that happens, I would be happy about it. At the end of it I'd be like, yes, I got so much work done today. When I didn't get into the flow state, I will be frustrated about my day. And be like, oh, I feel like I didn't do anything today, right? So life is happening through me, and then finally, oneness, life is happening as me. This is definitely more of like a mystical experience, no separation between yourself and the entirety of the universe. And you know, you can experience this through meditation, connection with others, with the nation, but also, actually, he also suggested that oneness, or life is happening as me, the most common experience of this is an orgasm where you're experiencing it with somebody else. I thought it was interesting to think of that that way. And it's not something that you're in that state for the longest periods of time, but you can tap into that occasionally here and there. I just found these really interesting. Lesley Logan 17:44  These are the four things that he dug into more deeply in his talk, right? Brad Crowell 17:48  Yeah, he, we also went through these levels of consciousness and, in fact, also his tool at the end of the episode, where he's like, hey, this is my gift to you. We actually did that exercise together on in the webinar. So if you're looking for more on that, come join us in Agency. You know, also go check out the things that he's doing. Lesley Logan 18:07  You can check out his pod. I mean, like. Brad Crowell 18:08  Yeah or check out the pod, yeah. Lesley Logan 18:10  This is I just really liked him. I subscribed to the pod because I was like, I think I want to keep listening to this person. I really like what they're saying. And I think also I got a lot of those stages, and it's like, oh, that last one, I kind of just thought that's what the shamans do in the white, you know, on the top of the hill, and they leave the world behind. But I liked he's, like, no this is like, you could just tap into it. You could just be, like, in this moment, we could be part of the world again. So I think that's really cool. Brad Crowell 18:32  Yep, yeah, awesome. Well stick around. We'll be right back, because we have some really powerful Be It Action Items shared by Kevin Carton. We'll be right back after this. Stick around. Brad Crowell 18:41  Welcome back. Let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Kevin Carton? He talked about the power of a clear vision. He defines a vision as a written out version of the life you love to live, a written out version of the life you love to live. And I thought was really cool, because we have this idea for ourselves, but how often do we actually put it down on paper so we can see it, read it, hold it. We won't forget it, because we wrote it down. He said be detailed, be clear, be specific. Use emotion and just be big. And he said the main thing that people and he and I had a really interesting conversation about this, one of the things that I used to do, and I still catch myself doing occasionally, is saying to myself, I want this thing for me, whatever this thing might be. And then I would say, it would be really nice if this thing happened for me or to me, ironically, it's like victimhood level one. It would be really nice if this thing happened for me, right? That to me is a cop out. Cop out in two ways. One, I might not actually be actively pursuing this thing that I want to happen for me. And two, if the thing doesn't happen, then it's okay. It didn't happen to me, for me, right? This is really interesting, because I used to intentionally not get my hopes up, right? Because if it never happened for me, then I'd be really disappointed, or it'd be failing, or I'd be let down. And I just found, like what he said, when you're writing out your vision, the mistake that most people make is taking that approach. It'd be great for me if this happened right, and then, and then, what's the next generation of that is we say, oh no, no, not if it happens, when it happens right? And he's saying, not even that but there's one step further, I am that thing. I have that thing already. I am an entrepreneur. I am a super mom. I am a race car driver. I am a whatever it is, the thing that you want, you know, in your life, instead of when that happens for me, you act as if you are it now already. That is the definition of be it till you see it. Lesley Logan 20:58  Oh, yeah. My, my client, I was like, hey, baby, I can only see you at eight o'clock or whatever I gave her. And I really only did it for her, because I would never do it for anyone. And she said yes. And I was like, oh, okay. And I said well, I'm really surprised you accepted this. She's like, well, I am a healthy person, and a healthy person would work out at this hour. And I was like, oh. Brad Crowell 21:17  Great for her. Lesley Logan 21:18  I'm practicing this I am thing and helping me filter my decisions. And I think it's, you know, it takes some time, be kind to yourself, like I just saw her again today, and she's like, still working out the I ams and I haves, but you can do it.Brad Crowell 21:32  Good. Good for her. That's awesome. I thought that was super powerful. What about you? Lesley Logan 21:38  I love that you know about gratitude. Gratitude is a powerful practice for being it till you see it. You know what, gratitude, I think it gets tossed around a lot. It's like, do this, but actually, do you really do it? Do you have a gratitude practice, really? And I'm gonna. Brad Crowell 21:42  What is it? What does the gratitude practice look like? Lesley Logan 21:49  Well, I will give you a perfect example from someone else. So the book is called Buy Yourself the Fucking Lilies, or tulips, or something like that. And I think her name is Tara. I would love her on the pod. I would obviously need to learn her name, but it's from five years ago, so it's really, really great. And she, in her third chapter was every single day, write down 10 things you're grateful for. Brad Crowell 22:07  Yeah, you're right. Buy Yourself the Fucking Lilies by Tara Schuster. Lesley Logan 22:09  Tara Schuster, okay, she's just committed to it. So anyways, I think a lot of people do it at night. And I will just say, everyone, I actually, in the middle of the day, typically have a moment where, like this. Brad Crowell 22:18  We were just talking about this. Lesley Logan 22:20  I start the day feeling fucking amazing, and then somewhere in the middle of the day, after all the onslaught of all the things that are going great but not going great, the chaos and then the fucking news widget that tells me what else we're fucking killing around here, I just find myself like, what are we doing? And so I was like, I'm gonna try this thing, and I open up my reMarkable tablet, and I have my schedule of the day on my reMarkable tablet, and if you just scroll, like, swipe, it's a journal place, and it's not enough to do like, journal entry, really. So I just list 10 gratitudes. And literally, just go, one, I'm grateful that I have the time to do this. Two, I'm grateful. And you just keep going, and what you find is like, by the end, when you get to 10, like to find 10 things to be grateful for in a day, especially when it feels like it fucking sucks, changes mine all the way around. And it really helps you get back to being the person you want to be, the person you believe you are, the I am, the I have and so. Brad Crowell 23:17  I actually think, so that's a cool practice. Another thing you can use is the five minute journal. Lesley Logan 23:22  You can. Brad Crowell 23:23  Yeah and that one you're writing it into a journal, it already has the prompts right in front of you. Lesley Logan 23:27  I can't really read my own writing, so I just do it on the reMarkable and hoping they translate it if it wants to. But we talked about like, how my therapist is really helpful at helping me remember, like, gratitude and judgment can't live in the same space. If you are feeling like, pissed, this isn't working and this isn't working, that's the judgment zone. And then you can start doing gratitudes, and the gratitude pushes the judgment out of the way. He also mentioned a gift.Brad Crowell 23:47  Oh, his gift. This is the thing that we did together, the metacognition meditation.Lesley Logan 23:51  So it's a 23 minute guided meditation, and it's designed to help individuals notice their thoughts, connect with their spiritual being, and gain clarity over their purpose and desires. You guys, this gift is less than 2% of your day. So we're talking about 1.5% of your day. So go to beitpod.com/metacognitionmeditation, beitpod.com/metacognitionmeditation. I'm not spelling that out. I think it spells the way it sounds. Thank you, Kevin, I learned so much from you. I can't wait to stalk you in the best way, a little bit more, and learn so much from you and your brother. I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 24:27  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 24:28  Thank you so much for listening to this today. We're so appreciative to have you. Can you believe? First of all, it's the middle of May. Second of all, this podcast is at episode 524 because of you. Because of you, we get guests like Kevin Carton who has a million downloads on his podcast because you listen to this one. So keep downloading the episodes. It is helpful for us to get big, amazing guests that can help you be it till you see it.Brad Crowell 24:49  And share it with somebody new. Lesley Logan 24:51  Yes. Brad Crowell 24:51  Pick one person right now. Share this episode to one person right now. Lesley Logan 24:52  Yes. And if you also leave a review that, too, helps this podcast out. see you. None of that costs you any money and you got a free meditation. Thank you so much. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 25:06  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 25:07  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. 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Lesley Logan and transformational coach Kevin Carton dive into how science and spirituality work together to help you live a more aligned and vibrant life. They explore why your heart holds the key to uncovering your true purpose, how small shifts in awareness can create major transformations, and how gratitude can rewire your reality. Get ready to feel inspired to take your next bold step forward. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Why your soul's purpose is as unique as your thumbprint.How to connect science and spirituality to create your dream life.The importance of curiosity when you feel unclear about your goals.The Double Slit Experiment and why observation shapes reality.How writing a present-tense vision statement can accelerate your growth.The four levels of consciousness and how to shift from victim to creator.How gratitude operates at three powerful levels to rewire your brain and life.Episode References/Links:Kevin Carton Website - https://www.kevincarton.comKevin Carton Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/kevinfcartonScience and Spirituality Podcast - https://beitpod.com/scienceandspiritualitypodMetacognition Meditation - https://beitpod.com/metacognitionmeditationDr. Quantum Double Slit Experiment - https://youtu.be/NvzSLByrw4QBig Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert - https://a.co/d/dMYmp4yMan's Search for Meaning by Victor Frankl - https://a.co/d/6PEUoagGuest Bio:As an inspirational speaker, teacher, and transformational life coach certified by the Brave Thinking Institute, Kevin Carton empowers people to discover and live their soul's purpose. With over a decade of experience, Kevin has helped hundreds of people breakthrough limitations, rewire their subconscious mind and trust themselves more deeply, so they can take the bold steps to turn their dream into a reality. He has spoken on stages in front of thousands of people sharing his “old soul” wisdom, which led to him being described as a young Bob Proctor. He shares weekly insights alongside his brother Chris Carton on their podcast, Science & Spirituality, which has over 1.3 million downloads and listeners in 113 countries around the world. When he's not serving others in his coaching business, Kevin loves going on date nights with his wife / soulmate Vivianne, snowboarding in the mountains in the winter, and spending time with his cat Autumn in their home near Denver, Colorado. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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We all have a unique thumbprint that we can identify ourselves across the eight plus billion people, completely unique. I also believe that we all have a unique purpose in life, and that we're here to fulfill it. Lesley Logan 0:14  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:56  Okay, Be It babe. We are gonna have a little bit of science, a little bit of spirituality, and yes, they go together. And holy moly, am I blown away. One of, it's just I have things that I want to put on repeat. There's things I want to go research. There's a meditation I'm going to go do, like, this, I'm fired up. And I have to say today, before this interview happened, I had call after call. Meeting after meeting. Demand after demand. I was like, oh, I gotta put my podcasting hat on, and I'm gonna tell you right now. I'm so glad I did, because my whole perspective of what I'm here to do has changed in like a moment, in an instant, and I believe that that's what's gonna happen for you in this podcast. So here is our guest, Kevin Carton. Lesley Logan 1:35  All right, Be It babe. This is gonna be so fun, because I've already been chatting with our guest before I hit record here, and it's just so fun. It's an easy conversation, and someone who really cares about who you are and how you operate in this world. And so Kevin Carton, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at? Kevin Carton 1:50  I'd be happy to. First off, thank you for having me on your podcast. I'm thrilled to be here. And I love your show. Clearly, love your audience because of the focus of your show. So I'm excited to share. So, myself, as you shared, I'm Kevin Carton. I'm a transformational life coach, and I like to call myself as well, a spiritual teacher, although my technical certification is as a transformational life coach, but I help people in living their dreams. It's really as simple as that, but there's so much more depth than that goes to because I really like to take the spiritual approach, or the soul's approach, the perspective of being a soul in this human experience. And so it's a different approach than, like, just trying to create something new in your life. But I go into the deeper depths of like, why? Well, why? Why do you want whatever it is that you want, and what is that going to give you? What are you giving to the world for that? And ultimately, I love to focus on our soul's purpose. I personally believe that we all have a soul's purpose as unique as our thumbprint. We all have a unique thumbprint that we can identify ourselves across the eight plus billion people, completely unique. I also believe that we all have a unique purpose in life, and that we're here to fulfill it.Lesley Logan 2:55  I so believe that. I think what a lot of people who listen to this show are all kind of figuring out, like, what is my purpose? I think that they can get overwhelmed by that question. They can feel like, you have to know an answer, and you're, you feel ashamed if you don't know an answer. Simon Sinek's like, it starts with why. And I remember coaching people like, I don't know, I just don't feel the pain and and they're being told like, your why should make you cry. And it's like, should it, though? Is it that emotional? How do we get past it? So I guess I have two questions I want to go with. One, how do you become a transformational life coach? Can anyone just say that they are? And two, what is a soul's purpose? How do we figure that out? These are two big questions, I think.Kevin Carton 3:30  They are. I mean, I've been doing this for a while, so I can answer both of those, actually, quite briefly. First, how I, you know, anyone becomes a transformational life coach? There's many different routes, and there are many different perspectives on what you can or the training you go through to actually call yourself a transformational life coach, or a life coach in general. The path I don't recommend, and this is not the path I took, is taking an online certification that costs $250. There are those that are out there and could be helpful in terms of a coaching modality like you can learn some skills, but I believe, if you're calling yourself a transformational life coach, that there is some deeper depth that you've carved out in your own life, your own experience, that you can give to others and share with others, but in a more reliable way, that it's not just happenstance or your own experience, but there are certain principles that you follow, that you share those principles, and if someone works with those principles, then it could work for them too. Because, at heart, I'm actually a scientist. That's like the beginning of my story. I first chose my career path, at first, was to begin my doctorate in pharmacy. Long story short, I did not end up continuing to get my doctorate, because three and a half years in or so, I started to work in the industry as an intern, and I hated it. I felt like my soul was being crushed. Because, honestly, I really went into that career path because I want to help people, and when I saw that what we were doing really wasn't really helping, it was more of just masking symptoms, not really a treating the underlying cause, I felt like there was no purpose for me there anymore. So it was a very big, I call it my quarter life crisis, but that ultimately led me to needing help myself. So it was many different ways this came about that I won't get into, different, like, synchronicities happening in my life, but I stumbled upon a mentor who has been my mentor since. So for over 10 years now, I've been working with this woman, and she's a transformational life coach. Her name is Mary Morrissey, but I sought her help because I was in such a deep, dark place in my life, like dipping in and out of depression, feeling so lost that I needed guidance, I needed support. So from that journey, and it was within like one year, from working with her, investing and coaching with her, that I started to uncover what really was here for me and my purpose and what I really wanted to do to help people, like, truly. And for how much her work helped me, I felt so inspired that I wanted to do the same. So kind of a story of turning your mess into your message, right? So that's what guided me toward this path of being a transformational life coach. And I'm also really grateful and thrilled that my mentor actually runs a whole institute that I believe is actually like, one of the world's best in terms of training life coaches, so. Lesley Logan 6:07  I love that you brought that up about what you don't recommend people do as a path. And also you went into, like, how long you went through, and you're obviously still working with her, and then also to then train, because my industry is also not really regulated, and I don't think the life coaching industry is also like, there's not like a third party, exactly, and I do think that there are reasons why some statewide or tests should be done, because I just think that anyone can call themselves some of these things, and if they're really passionate, that they can hoodwink people. And so I actually don't bring on a ton of life coaches onto this podcast, because I want to make sure that there's a way that I can vet them and research them, and I can look into what they say they're trained in. And I saw yours, and I was like, oh, this is legitimate, and this person actually practices what they preach. So it's the same thing. When people are like, oh, I want a Pilates instructor over here. I'm like, here's the deal. There's not really, like, a one directory you can go to and anyone can actually call themselves a Pilates instructor. They don't even have to take a course. They can watch it on Instagram. They can watch my YouTube videos. It's all there. They can buy the equipment. They can insure the studio. They can insure a studio, and never, ever have to show a certification of any kind. So, so it's really important that people know that there is valid ways, and I really appreciate you sharing that. Okay, so I also resonate because I went to college for like, a reason, and I was like, I'm gonna do this thing. And I remember sitting on an airplane, very vividly, and I remember going, I don't even see myself doing that anymore. And I felt like, oh my God, I'm in college. I'm paying all this money. I can't just also quit. So what am I gonna do? What is my thing that I'm gonna do? And so it's really overwhelming when you're in your early 20s and you have all this pressure, because it costs so much to start to even shift. So I think it's really incredible that you had the crisis and you found the shift. So is that how you found your soul's purpose? Is like, what? And then can we all find ours?Kevin Carton 7:55  Absolutely. Yeah, so it's actually, it's a great bridge into that, that second question to answer that, as I mentioned, I believe it's also a brief, can be a brief answer, pretty straightforward, that our soul's purpose is really what our heart calls for the most. That's what I believe our purpose is. Because, you know, purpose has this definition or this paradigm around it, that it has to be something that involves contributing to the world or contributing in some way that's like a career, a work, a job, whatever it is, like we're doing something. I personally believe our purpose here is actually to live the most alive life that we possibly can. And as you know, as I mentioned just before, I'm a scientist, I take the scientific perspective, and this, I know is going to go really wide out for people, but I really believe it's, it's helpful that if you look back into, like, the creation of this whole universe, our entire life and existence, and all that we know the scientific perspective is that it was The Big Bang, right? Even that, in the spiritual perspective, it pretty much, any major religion, speaks about there was this like moment that creation just began, right, from like one point, like one God, right? It's a common denominator of that, common thought. But it's the same thing with with the scientific perspective, was one infinite, it has to be small point of matter that scientists have discovered that's was the beginning of our universe, sounds like one energy, one life, one source, one one something, right? And boom, it blew apart. And then ever since then, for 13 plus billion years, it's becoming more and more complex and evolving to greater and greater experiences of itself that we call life. We are part of life. We're alive. We have breath. We didn't do anything to deserve the breath in our lungs or the heartbeat in our chest. It's a gift that we're given. And so I personally believe that our purpose here for any different way you can cut it up, is that we're here to become more alive, more aware, more happy, more joyful, more loving, and then fill in the blank. And it just happens to be sometimes that our work involves that.Lesley Logan 9:59  Mm. I like that you said that it, we often think that the purpose I have to do is with things for others, like you mentioned, it's more important that, like, we are living our lives. And I think that that's true. I think that the people that we're attracted to, there's this magnet around them because they're living their life. And we're like, looking at that. We're like, that sparkly, shiny, you know, it looks like the grass looks greener over there. And it might be because they're actually just living their life. And a lot of us get so consumed with, well, if I do X for me, what are other people gonna think? And I think, is that like the sole purpose, like kryptonite is like thinking, what other people are gonna think about the thing we're doing for ourselves to live. Kevin Carton 10:35  Oh, yeah. Yeah, definitely. There's a lot of paradigms that have to be shifted in our current society and current culture of humanity that it's too much focused on, like, oh, what are other people going to think, that we shut down our own aliveness? And ultimately, I don't believe that that's the purpose of life itself, anyway. And so it's flawed in some way. I don't think it's entirely negative to have some idea and concern of what other people are going to think, because we are all connected. There is, again, I believe this one life source energy, we call it different labels and names, but it's within everyone, too. So we want to care about others as well, but not too much. There's a fine line. There's a middle path of that. Lesley Logan 11:14  Yeah, I think you're right, because a narcissist would not think about anyone ever. So that's one extreme, and then someone else would be like, trying to people-please on the other extreme, and that's never gonna work. And so there is a place in the middle where it's like a temp check of is what I'm doing gonna be good in this world and, and is it my purpose? Is it from me or am I doing this for others?Kevin Carton 11:34  Exactly. Spot on. Yeah, that's why I started with that. Like, what is purpose to me? It's us, our own individual selves, becoming more alive. But again, yeah, it does connect with others. We don't want to, like, step on others in, in pursuing our purpose, because then what's the point? Lesley Logan 11:49  Right. Because we want to, I to me, I'm like, how do I bring people in? How do I bring them along? How do we include all of them and none of it is easy, and I think that that's the hard part, right? Doing the work to transform your life isn't, isn't easy, it's not a checkbox. Kevin Carton 12:07  Not at all. Lesley Logan 12:08  Okay, so you are, you bring science and, to spirituality. I found that very fascinating, because I feel like there's several different types of spirituality, and that they're so woo. We're on a different universe, and I can't really go there. I'm a one woo kind of girl, so I like my crystals, like my meditation. I definitely use some Palo Santo. But like, you know, we're, we gotta, we gotta stay on this planet, too. How did you combine the two? Because I feel like, I think it's cool that they live together. I just didn't realize that there was a Venn diagram where they overlapped. Kevin Carton 12:38  Well, very much so. In fact, honestly, some of the points in teaching principles I share, it's often like one and the same that the science and the spirituality, they say the exact same thing. It's just for how it's been in our society and humanity for so long. It's just been so separate. But now it really sparked my interest when I started to study quantum physics, because spiritual teachers for ages, millennia, would teach about if you believe, I mean, it's literally about your podcast, be it til you see it, right? Another way of saying it, if you believe it, then you can achieve it. In essence, you have it in your mind. It's possible in life. And there's a way in which you can create that. The scientific perspective of that now in quantum physics, have you ever heard of or seen the double slit experiment?Lesley Logan 13:22  No, I don't think so, but I'm excited to learn. Kevin Carton 13:25  I'd highly recommend checking it out. And there's a great YouTube video that describes it in very simple terms, because it's quite in depth. I haven't even understood it to the degree of the quantum physicist and how they studied it, because it's still mind boggling. But there's a great YouTube video by Dr Quantum on YouTube and literally, just type in Dr. Quantum Double Slit Experiment, you'll find it's a five minute video. You should understand really, really great. But the basic idea of it is that the scientists, they believe that you know for the longest time, the perspective on our universe is that it's material, meaning that it's energy that we can interact with, we can measure. It's very solid, like, literally the computer where I'm using to record this, or my desk, like, it's very solid. We can touch it, right? So all of these different things are just made up of electrons, protons and neutrons, all put together in just different formations. That's the periodic table as we know it. It's literally every element that we know that makes up the visible universe. However, if you break it up enough and take electrons, or photons, which is the tiny, tiny bit, it's the negative charge in an atom of any, any atom in the world or in the universe, take that electron, if you fire it into these like slits, in essence, like these two slits in this like metal sheet, then it creates, like a pattern on the back wall, like, where those electrons, like, went through those slits. So that's the basic idea that they, they looked at that because when you have solid pieces of matter and you shoot them through those two slits, it creates that reflection on the back of two slits of bands, right? Because solid matter went through it. But, if it's a wave of potential or wave of energy, let's say that those double slits were in water. If there was just a wave, like a ripple effect of water that goes through those two slits, it creates a very different result on the measuring wall, because the waves go through the slits, but then there's then two waves that come out of it, and they interact with each other, and they cause what's called an interference pattern. So I know I'm getting quite detailed, but it's important. So the craziest thing happened though, that what they thought would happen with electrons is that they would show up as the physical matter, that it was like the two bands, the two slits, right? It did not. It showed up as an interference pattern, meaning that the electron, which we have thought of for so long as just so material, so real, it's actually just potential in energy, meaning that literally everything that makes up the universe of electrons, also protons, neutrons, they are actually going in and out of states of existence. So the whole point being, why I'm sharing this, and this is what really sparked for me. This is way back 2014 when I actually first found this video and learned about the double slit experiment and the science behind this. It said the because the additional, one, final additional piece they added to this experiment was that the scientists took a measuring device to see which slit or how those electrons went through those double slits to make the interference pattern. Because they're like, what's going on? We think these things are solid pieces of matter, and when they put the measuring device there, the electrons went back to becoming actual matter. So it was inescapable, the conclusion, which was that the act of observing, in essence, being consciously aware, focusing on whatever it is that you're focusing on, makes it real. And if you're not focusing on it, in other words, you're not measuring that electron. It behaves like potential, like there's not solid.Lesley Logan 16:56  Oh, my God, that's so crazy. That's so, that is so crazy, because it's like we always hear that what you can track is what you would attract, what you measure is what grows. That's insane. Kevin Carton 17:06  This is why. Lesley Logan 17:07  That's really crazy. That is the woo with the science like that all. Kevin Carton 17:10  Exactly. Let me share one final thing, because I know I, I'm like, very well, self-aware, and I'm like, I shared a lot more, like, technical terms and all, but. Lesley Logan 17:18  We're gonna transcribe this whole thing and let people Google. Yeah. Kevin Carton 17:21  Okay, yeah, please. That video is so helpful because I even noticed I find some difficulty explaining it as clearly as possible. But here's my favorite quote from Einstein. Albert. Einstein even said this. This is, I think, a couple of decades before this Double Slit Experiment actually came out. So this is just a theory at the time, but now it's proven. He was just walking with a friend one night, and he's famous for saying, I wonder if we're not looking at the moon right now, if we're facing away from it, is the moon actually there right now? Is it actually in existence? It's like the classic philosophical saying, or the question, like, if a tree falls in the woods and no one's around to hear it, does it actually make a sound? And to this point, you know, this Double Slit Experiment is basically proving that, actually, no, it's not there until you view it, your consciousness is focused on it. And I'll end this off by saying, just to make it even more tangible and actionable to someone listening, the reason I bring this up is so powerful as of an example, is that we could use that in an everyday basis, with our life, with a dream, a vision, what we would love to create, even if we have no idea how it's going to happen, where there's no circumstance around us that shows evidence as if possible. It is possible because you can see it in your mind. It's the ability to focus, to concentrate, to dream up anything that you would love. And honestly, I think that's exactly what you mean in this whole podcast, this topic of the whole title, and the theme of this podcast is Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 18:45  Yeah, okay. I love this because I actually just heard of someone doing a manifestation where they went into the future and they saw what they wanted to happen, and they believed that it happened, and then they came back to the past, and all these different things were happening that would make them doubt what they saw in the future. But they stuck with no, we believe that. We saw that. It's going to come to an existence, and it happened, right, which feels a little magical. But also I believe that, because I've there are times when I've been so clear on what I want that it actually happens. And so where I think people get stuck is they don't know what they want. Kevin Carton 19:19  Agreed. Yes. Lesley Logan 19:22  Like, they can't actually be specific about what it is that they want. And I find when I goal set 10 years ago, 15 years ago, I could be very specific about what I wanted. And now, as I get older, and I was like, I've achieved a lot of things and different stuff, sometimes it's hard to know what you want and then believe that, oh, I want that. But is that exactly what I want? Like, we start to doubt ourselves. So like, how do you help people who have no idea what to want?Kevin Carton 19:50  It's a great question, and I appreciate your, just, transparency in your own experience now, because it's not a linear process. If you've achieved certain dreams and goals in your life already, doesn't mean that there's not going to be some challenge in discovering or achieving next, right? But my go to principle or tool for that in discovery is to get curious. The reason why I say that is because I personally believe that our true heart's desire, our true dream, our true purpose, whatever you want to call it, it is given to us by life itself, by this power you can call God, source, spirit, the universe, this energy, this life force, whatever you want to call it, we're alive. And so I believe we're given visions, given dreams. In fact, another great teacher and life coach, Les Brown, if you ever heard of him, he often says this in his speeches, that we're given dreams and it's up to us to accept and actually, first off, actually become aware of what those dreams are that are given to us, but then to actually accept and be bold and courageous to go for it. So the first tool I offer, usually, is just curiosity, because it's more of a listening in, rather than trying to figure out what is your purpose, so that it's more of a conversation, a dialog and exploration, rather than trying to make it happen or write it out and decide, because then it gets too intellectual. It's not connected to your heart. And that's really where the true desires come from. It's not in the mind, it's in the, it's in the body, it's in the heart. Lesley Logan 21:14  Yeah, yeah. Oh, I love that. I love what you quoted Les Brown, because have you read the book Big Magic?Kevin Carton 21:21  No, I haven't, but I'm familiar with it. Lesley Logan 21:23  Okay, a great book, and it's, I think, really great for the creatives who listen. Because I coach a lot of people on their business, and they're like, okay, I started to get this going, and now we're gonna do this. And I'm like, so here's the thing, you can, you can do whatever you want, but I'm gonna tell you what I know is that if you test what is making you happy in your livelihood right now, before it's ready, you will have to make decisions that they're going to be compressed or pressured, because you need to make the money before it's ready, right? And so the Big Magic book by Elizabeth Gilbert, the idea is she actually did not quit teaching, even when she sold Eat, Pray, Love. When she sold the movie, she still was teaching in a college. She did not quit teaching, that consistent income, until she knew that her creativity on its own could fund the life that she had without putting pressures. Because a lot of times people go, okay, I'm gonna make my art may be my paycheck, but then you start to change the art so that it's what sells versus what's in your heart, right? And so when you are talking about being curious and figuring out what that is, it's, it's kind of like there's a patience to it, and we can't, we can't put that pressure on it too soon before it's ready. But she also talks about, in that book, is that ideas want to be born, and they come to you, and if you don't act on them, they will go to someone else, and that's why two people across the planet can come up with the same idea at the same time and work on it, and one person takes their time and quits, and then it's like, I had that idea, yeah, but it left (inaudible). Kevin Carton 22:52  Exactly. Lesley Logan 22:52  Yeah. It wanted to be born. Okay, so you're just full of so much knowledge and something that really attracted me when I was looking at what you talk about a lot, you have a couple things that I'm wondering, if you want to, if you have time, which one you want to talk about more, the power of a clear vision, or the four levels of consciousness. Which one is on your heart to share? Kevin Carton 22:53  Oh, I mean, both are equally powerful, right?Lesley Logan 23:08  Depends on how quick you are. Kevin Carton 23:16  Yeah, no, let's get to both, actually, because the first is very straightforward, very easy to just piggyback off of everything we've already talked about. A vision in my definition of it, and working with it with my clients, is a vision statement that's a written out version of the life you'd love to live that is detailed, specific, clear, with emotion and just big. You know, what you would really love, not limited by current circumstance. And when you write it out in that way, and I mean present tense, not I will, or I'm going to, I am, and fill in the blank, you know, I'm so grateful, I'm so happy, I'm so proud and and I have this business. I've written this book because once we get clear and we actually write it out, it becomes more of a declaration, then for us to become, you know, it's a great tool to actually being it until you see it, because as we write out our dreams, we then can come back to it again and again. Because how often, you know, life goes on and we have responsibilities and other things going on in life that take our attention away, and then we forget about the big dream, and it's a month later, it's like, wait a minute, I was really on fire for that for a few days or a week, what happened to it? The tool of the vision statement, is really powerful to just to recheck in. So that's my brief blurb about it, and it's incredible.Lesley Logan 24:29  I love that, and I agree on the I am statements, I think that they're extremely powerful. And I think the more we say them out loud and hear ourselves say them out loud, that's really powerful, too. And I think you have to say it several times, because it changes the more you say it. That's really great. I also like your interpretation of like, how to write down your vision statement. I think that that's really fun. That's going to be a homework assignment for me. Kevin Carton 24:51  Yeah, try it out. It's fun. Lesley Logan 24:52  Okay. The other one was the four levels of consciousness. What's, what are those?Kevin Carton 24:56  So, four levels. First is that it's all in the perspective of how is life showing up for me, or how am I experiencing life? So the first and lowest level of consciousness, which is victimhood, is life is happening to me. I'm at effect and I blame others. I blame the economy, I blame the government, I blame my ex, I blame my parents, I blame all except for myself. It's like life is happening to me, and I'm not the problem everything else is, and it's such a low state of consciousness because we're not actually connected with the truth that we have the power within to determine what meaning we take on for our life or what circumstance mean to us. Yeah, that's well studied in psychology. That's not just like some fun thing to say. It's actually well researched, supported in many peer-reviewed journals, that our perception creates the meaning that we experience in life. It's not the actual event. One great, quick book to dive deeper into that topic, Man's Search for Meaning by Victor Frankl. Incredibly powerful, so moving, and his story, you know, is, just for anyone who has not read it or heard of it, he was a refugee from Nazi Germany. He was in a concentration camp. He survived. But there was one moment he had which basically created the rest of his work for the rest of his life. One moment where basically, they, he was in such terrible conditions that the one last thing he had, which was like a gold wedding band, which the Nazis just didn't take away at that time, until, like they found it months later, they finally demanded that from him. His first instinct was like to hate them, to get angry. But he found this place within himself, which was a pause between the actual circumstance and then his response and his choice of how he was going to place meaning on that exact circumstance, probably the most difficult thing that anyone can face, right? And that place, actually, that place he found within himself created his whole work, which is called the logos therapy. And so it's, dig in, well study that. Again, it's our own choice. So it's a choice to stay in victimhood, which ultimately will just diminish our life over time, which no one wants, obviously, deep down. So at the first level of consciousness, we want to move out of. To bridge to the second level of consciousness, it's simple, we take responsibility for how we respond, for our own thoughts, our own actions, our own words. And once you take responsibility, you increase your consciousness to the awareness, or that phase of awareness called the, that life is happening by me. And now you're not just sitting on the sidelines. You're engaged. You recognize that your thoughts, your actions, have meaning and create differences in the world, and so you start to create what you want. However, that is still in a degree limited, because we're still only focused on our own personal self. And it comes back to the point we mentioned earlier, that, you know, we're living in this world with eight plus billion other humans and many, many other life forms on this planet. So it's not just for one of us. It's really for all. What we're doing is in benefit for all as well. And that moves us up to the third level of consciousness, which is life is happening through me. It's not by me anymore, but now, life is happening through me, meaning I have a part to play in this grand play called life, because I'm alive, and so I don't have just a separateness between me and the other person or me and that flower or me and the sun. It's all one life happening, and it's this, again, a symphony. And so as we step into that kind of flow, it literally becomes like a flow, like a river. And so things start to work out more easily when we recognize that we're connected with this source of energy, life, power that we can tap into. And then magic starts to happen, because the move from the by me phase to the through me phase of life is we let go of control, which is a difficult one.Lesley Logan 28:47  Yeah, I'm a teacher who studies the art of control, that's a Pilates (inaudible) actually was called contrology. Yes, it's called the art of control. It's a study of control, right? And so every Pilates instructor, or people often who are like, attracted to Pilates is like, this perfectionist, like, control, like, type A person. And the hilariousness is, is that the more I studied the way that Joe Pilates intended it was about curiosity and just figuring out, like, what can I do, what is possible? So it's really funny, because I came into it like, Oh, I gotta get perfect at it, and then I'm perfect and I got it. And then the more I did it, the more I realize, oh, actually, every day is a different day in my body. And yes, I need to control my body, but I need to let go of what the controlling the scenario that's happening today, because my body is different today than tomorrow, right? Kevin Carton 29:30  Yeah, yeah, my word shifts which it's, it's spot on, I'm thrilled you gave that example, because that's so profound and probably helpful for someone listening, who's into Pilates, right? Because it is, it seems like a lot about control, but I think would you, basically, what I picked up from your, what your words were, is that, yes, it's about controlling, like your body, but it's more about the responsibility about your body. Of like, yes, I'm taking responsibility of my actions in that, but it's letting go of control of like, yeah, what's going on in the day? Maybe my body feels different than from yesterday to today. So that's where you let go of control, but the responsibility piece is there as well. That's how I see it. Lesley Logan 30:07  I love this. This is great. I feel like we can do Pilates and consciousness workshops. Kevin Carton 30:13  Nice. That would be awesome. Lesley Logan 30:17  Amazing, amazing. Okay, and so is there one more level? Like after. Kevin Carton 30:21  Yeah, this one's a fun one, because it's more of experiences that you can have. I personally don't make this as like a goal or an aspiration to live in this phase of awareness. I set my goal to live in the third phase of awareness, the through me phase. But the fourth and final phase of awareness is as me, where life is now happening, as me, where there's actually no separation between me and this entirety of the universe. This is the mystic experience that most people speak about, like mystics, gurus, sages, messiahs, that there's this oneness and there's this deep knowing. And I like to say it's an experience, because most people don't want to set that as like a life goal. That's more of like those who want to, like, become a monk and renounce all worldly desires. And funny enough, for two weeks of my life, I actually had that desire, but I let it go pretty quickly.Lesley Logan 31:10  You know, you can, there are places in Asia where you can go be a monk for like, three weeks or four weeks or whatever. Kevin Carton 31:17  I did not know that.Lesley Logan 31:18  And then, people, yes. So I know people who, like, once a year, spend a month as a monk, and I think that that's incredible. I couldn't do it. I think would depend on the type of, well, first of all, I'm a female and not, so often, not an option. But a lot of monks only eat once a day, right? It's a whole thing. So there is a way to experience it without having to do it forever. Kevin Carton 31:36  Yeah, 100%. Yeah. Just to, qualifier what it is even that has me experience, right, again, it's that oneness. But as I mentioned, I like to call these portals that we go through in terms of awareness, like from, just a recap, victimhood to that by me phase is we take responsibility. That's the portal we go through. Then from the by me phase to the through me phase, we let go of control. And then this final phase that we go through, the portal we go through is completely dissolving separateness, and that's why it's more of an experience to have, not really like a, for most of us, it could be some that they would want to attain that fully and completely in their life and live that. But most people have those experiences, like in deep meditation, in connection with nature, potentially even in certain exercises, like, when you're really in touch with your body, there's this oneness, not only with yourself, but with all, with all life. But the funny thing is, the most common experience of the as me phase is through orgasm between two human beings.Lesley Logan 32:33  Really? So people can experience it, yeah, they can experience it now. Kevin Carton 32:38  Yeah, 100% yeah. It's actually, in some ways, common, right? We just don't often think of it as this spiritual experience, because, at least, like, sex and that whole topic has just gotten quite muddied in a way, you know, like, just not in as pure, and I'm putting in air quotes because, not anything of like, you know, what I might say is, like, pure or anything, but who's to have that definition? But it is the most common experience in as me phase. Lesley Logan 33:02  Cool. So I guess my only question on this is, is it possible to, like, get to the by me, maybe into the through me, and then all of a sudden you're back at the to me, because I feel like there can be days where you're just like, oh my God, and then you're reacting, and then you're blaming and then you're like, who, what the hell is this person? I don't know this person. And then you have to, like, go back, and so maybe the quicker you get to getting back to the by me and through me is the key. Kevin Carton 33:27  That's the goal. Yeah, it's not about perfection, because we're human, so we're flawed, we're not going to be perfect. And there's a law of the universe called the Law of Rhythm. We all work with it and know it and experience it every single day, with the night and the day, like the light and the darkness that we experience. It's the round of our breath, the inhale, the exhale. There's that rhythm, the ebb and the flow of the tides of the ocean, right? It's within all things, the same thing with our consciousness. It's, I believe, naive to think that we're going to stay in one phase of awareness constantly for the rest of our life. Almost impossible. I'm not saying it's impossible, because I believe anything's possible, but more likely, we're just going to go through rhythms and times where we're more connected, more aware, and then we fall asleep, just like we need rest, you know, in a given day, like we fall asleep, so we need that in consciousness as well. Lesley Logan 34:14  Oh, Kevin, I could talk to you all day. This is so fascinating. I really, I didn't even know that you could have science and spirituality in the same, like, I really am blown away and excited. We're gonna take, we're gonna take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you, work with you. Lesley Logan 34:28  All right, Kevin, where do you hang out? Where can people stalk you in the best way?Kevin Carton 34:33  Sure, the two places I hang out the most. My website is kevincarton.com it's a kind of a hub for, like, different resources I have, as well as the main place I hang out, my podcast with my brother. I'm very blessed to say I've been running this podcast with my brother for five and a half years. He's my co-host and my closest friend. He's my older brother. He's a year and a half older than me. We created it. It's called Science and Spirituality, which you can find anywhere.Lesley Logan 34:58  Oh, I'm gonna download it now, this is going to be exciting. You're gonna be on my ears more. You have an amazing gift for our peeps, and you have some Be It Action Items for us. So can you give us all the good stuff?Kevin Carton 35:09  Yeah, I'd be happy to and thank you for the ability to share this with your audience, too. So I have a meditation called the metacognition meditation. Metacognition is just a technical psychological term, or psychology term for this tool of noticing what you're noticing. It's the most profound tool I, spiritual tool, I've ever come across to help you connect with who you really are as a spiritual being having this human experience. And, to connect it with our conversation, I really believe it's a great tool to help yourself listen in and get curious for what your purpose is, what your true desires are, when you actually get in touch with who you really are. So it's a 23 minute guided meditation. Might sound a bit long for those who may not be a regular meditator, but it's a guided meditation. So I'd have beautiful music behind there, and I guide you through every step of the way. And it's really powerful. So it's completely free. And, obviously, there's a link in the show notes that Lesley and her team puts there.Lesley Logan 36:05  Oh yeah, it's gonna be there. And also, 23 minutes is less than 2% of your day, everyone, just less than 2% and it's really important to move your body, yes, but also it's important to be with your body. And some days we can't move. And so sitting still and listening to this, and even if you don't sit still, I think that probably that's something to notice. Oh, I can't wait. I'm excited. Brad's gonna be excited, too. He let's see him not tap his foot for 23 minutes. We'll see how that goes. Okay, Be It Action Items, bold, executable, intrinsic or target steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? Kevin Carton 36:39  Yes. So my main tool I use, which actually is a kind of a piggyback off of this whole conversation too, clearly, as you could tell, I often come back to just the source of all life as an inspirational like jumping off point of the foundation. So I personally use gratitude as a practice for being it until I see it in a couple of different levels. But the first and foremost, pretty obvious level, is just gratitude for what's going on in life right now, to focus on the positive, the good things you have in your life right now, to build this solid foundation of loving or enjoying your aspects of your life to a great degree so you can attract more of that. And then the second level of gratitude to connect to, which I believe comes from that connection with our higher power, is a gratitude for being alive today and the opportunity that we have to even dream of what we would love to be in the future. And then once we have that clarity and gratitude for even just the possibility, then the third level of gratitude of actually being grateful for what we say we want or who we say we want to be now, as if it's already ours. And as speaking of science, I always love the science to this. Scientific studies prove now that if we just imagine vividly enough something we would love to experience, or who we would love to be, our brains neurons light up in the exact same way as if we were actually experiencing said thing. This is actually you look this up pro golfers, and it's becoming more popular in pro football, but golfing, it's been around for decades as a very strong practice, but now just supported by a lot of scientific research. So I recommend that as a practice, because it works with our physiology very well, and it stimulates what now is called neuroplasticity. A lot of people might know that. So, gratitude is the key to work with there. Lesley Logan 38:24  Who knew? I mean, that is so cool. You know, like, my favorite things to remember about gratitude is, like, gratitude and judgment can't live in the same space. And so as a practice, whenever I'm feeling judgmental of myself for an experience or whatever, I like, to take a moment and I'm like, okay, hold on. I'm grateful for this right now. And also you can feel that judgment disappear. And sometimes it's like, one of the easiest ways to then, to me, to take another set, to look at, like, what is going on, so that I'm not a victim and the thing, so, what a cool tool. We've had over 500 episodes, and I'm not sure that gratitude was used in that way, or at all, in a Be It Action Item. So, thank you for blowing our minds. I think you're just so awesome. Kevin Carton 39:03  You're welcome. Thank you. Lesley Logan 39:04  You're so wonderful. This is a saver, for sure. There's so many different little avenues I want to dig into more. So I can't wait to hear what our listeners' takeaways were. So please, you guys, tag Kevin, tag the Be It Pod, share this with a friend who needs it. Share it with a friend who you feel like is kind of sticking in that, that victimhood thing, it's hard. They don't, they might not listen to all of your suggestions. So maybe they can listen to Kevin tell them, and they could be blown away as much as I am. And you know what to do. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 39:33  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 40:16  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 40:21  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 40:25  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 40:32  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 40:35  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. 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Lesley Logan shares her favorite empowering quotes from iconic women around the world, celebrates listener wins from Nancy Lawrence, and reflects on a recent experience where she held space for both joy and grief at the same time. Plus, the mantra you'll want to repeat all weekend long. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:10 inspirational quotes from powerhouse women.How Pilates creates new opportunities and personal growth.Why it is important to honor both hard emotions and joyful moments.Why showing up for yourself is a win worth celebrating.Episode References/Links:Real Woman Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/p/DG8ebz4zNop If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:47  Hi, Be It babe. Hello. Welcome to your Fuck Yeah Friday. Welcome to the one of my favorite episodes put together because it changes every week. I mean, it's not, it doesn't change every week, but there's something new and exciting and inspiring. So you might be excited about what I'm gonna say right now which I, 10 most inspiring quotes from some of the greatest women around the world. I'm gonna tell you that in a minute. You might be inspired by a win from someone else, or you might hear one of your own that you sent in, or maybe a win of mine gives you permission to celebrate something that's a win of yours, right? So we celebrate big wins around here, but especially the small ones, especially those. And then we leave you with a mantra. So welcome to Be It Pod. If you are new here. This is our short and sweet episode. We have our longer interviews on Tuesdays, and Brad and I recap and have fun on Thursdays. Lesley Logan 1:26  Okay, so let's go through these 10 most inspiring quotes from some of the greatest women around the world. So this is from Maya Angelou. Each time a woman stands up for herself, without knowing it's possible, without claiming it, she stands up for all women. I mean, that right there would just be like enough of an inspiration. Thank you, Maya Angelou for always doing that. So next up is from Michelle Obama. There is no limit to what we, as women, can accomplish. There is no limit to what we, as women, can accomplish. This is from Shirley Chilsom. If they don't give you a seat at the table, bring a folding chair. Yeah, she did. She's freaking awesome. If you don't know her history, go educate yourself this weekend. From Oprah Winfrey. Think like a Queen. A Queen is not afraid to fail. Failure is another stepping stone to greatness. Thank you, Oprah. Coco Channel. A girl should be two things: who and what she wants. Who and what she wants. This is from G.D. Anderson. Feminism isn't about making women strong. Women are already strong. It's about changing how the world perceives that strength. Oh, chills. Serena Williams. Every woman's success should be an inspiration to another. We're strongest when we cheer each other on. Malala. I raise my voice not so I can shout, but so that those without a voice can be heard. Florence Griffith Joyner. When anyone tells me I can't do anything, I'm just not listening anymore. Margaret Thatcher. If you want something said, ask a man; if you want something done, ask a woman. Well, these ladies are just some bad asses. So I don't know which one your favorite was, but I think that sometimes we just need to have those quotes somewhere. So I'm super excited to have read those, they came out on International Women's Day, but like every day should be International Women's Day, I think, so there's that to me. Lesley Logan 3:27  Anyways, let's get into your wins. This is from Nancy Lawrence. I actually have two wins from her, and so we'll have a Nancy Lawrence win day because she sent us a couple. I think I said this before, Nancy Lawrence came on our Cambodia retreat, and she's been having some epic wins that were all from what she manifested during the retreat, so. I live in Dallas, Texas and have a spa in Memphis, Tennessee. I'm an aesthetician and Pilates teacher. My brand is strength and beauty. I want to promote both skincare and Pilates to my clientele. Well, in doing so, I have a skincare client who owns a ballet studio in Memphis. She loves Pilates. She has hired me to teach Pilates to her 12 to 17 year old ballerinas. I'm so excited in this opportunity, and this week, I'll be teaching a birthday party in Dallas. She turns 23 at Club Pilates. The birthday girl specifically asked me to teach her and her friends and told me to bring it on like I do in class. So cute. And I got hired to teach at Club Pilates in Memphis Metropolitan Area Pilates studios. I love working with young people and the youthfulness Pilates has given me. And I love Lesley Logan for being that inspiration in my life. Well, Nancy Lawrence, these wins are so cool, I mean, so cool that you can live in one place, have dreams and have a business in another place, and be not only rocking that, but allowing yourself to support others along the way, like that, like people are seeing that energy and wanting you to be part of it. It's just so cool. I do love that the young kids are getting into Pilates. It's gonna be so much better for them. So way to find ways to take your Pilates magic everywhere and have your skincare practice. And I think it's so easy for us, for people to go like you have to be one thing, so you should only be a Pilates instructor. And then you're like, no, I'm gonna be both. And then what we have to do it in Dallas, that's where you live, and it's like, well, I'm gonna do it in Memphis, too. You're just not letting people put you in a box, Nancy, so thank you for inspiring all of us, because we can go outside the lines and we can go beyond states and counties and make magic happen everywhere. So Nancy, you're just inspiring all of us. Thank you for sharing your win. Lesley Logan 5:19  Okay, my win. So here's the thing, Brad and I had a really, like, not so awesome thing, it's very tragic thing that happened a couple months ago at this point, and it happened really suddenly like most tragic, traumatizing things do. WBe share a lot, right? We're really good at sharing here. I think you know that about me, like, I'll share anything, but I also share things that I've fully processed and, and even in this moment when we record it, I'm just not there. I'm not able to share it. But I remember thinking like, how am I supposed to get in the car and drive to Denver and be around hundreds of people and support them, if you listen to my win last week, how am I supposed to do that and teach these long workshops and be all the things that they're expecting, because they know me as this energetic, excited person, and I am that person, but I'm really sad right now. I'm really sad right now. And what was really cool, and this is a win, is that Brad and I were able to be so present and so excited to see everyone and so energetic and so supportive and hold space for all these people. And then when we needed to feel our feelings, we, at night in our room, and we're driving home in our van, and on a hike, we did. We absolutely did. So I'm just, I just share that with you, because I think it's really, like, life sucks a lot of the time, and then it's also super awesome, and they often happen to, like, in the same day or in the same weekend, and so it can be hard to celebrate the win for very long, because then something else happened, and it might not have happened to you, it might have happened to someone else around you, and then you feel bad celebrating something that happened good to you when something bad happens around somewhere else. But here's the deal, we can actually hold several emotions at once, right? I could cry and feel our feelings at the end of each day, and I could wake up and go, I'm so grateful to be here right now with all these people. I get to do this, and I'm gonna go enjoy that, and I will say that actually was really grateful that all that happened was to happen at the same time, because I could have space and a distraction from the thing that I was reconciling with. I could have that space and I could come back to it, and it felt really good, rather than just submersing myself in it for a few days and then coming out of my shell, we just, we got to really do it. We could do all the things. We got to do all the things. So I think it's something we'll keep to ourselves. But I just want you to know that I get it like I get when bad things happen and it's really hard to see the win, I think that's when you have to find the win even more. And it's not a toxic positivity thing. It's not what I'm talking about here. It's a feeling your feelings and being present where you are, right, what's going on around you, what good thing that you worked so hard for is happening in this exact moment at the same time, and can you be present for that right and not let this tragic thing take away from the win. So the thing that happened in no way takes away from the great thing that happened or the great things that happened before it at all. It's its own thing. It's its own book. It's its own chapter. It's its own start and stop. And I hope that that makes sense, trying to, trying to make sure that you understand, like it's not always bright-eyed and rainbows and unicorns. But that doesn't mean that you can't go look for things. I have a girlfriend who lost her father, and we were talking, and she was looking for spring, looking for signs of spring, like there could be also spring happening while you're grieving. So anyways, sharing that win with you. Lesley Logan 8:47  Now, it's time for a mantra. Let's end this on a high note. I'm a magical manifester. Yeah, you are. I am a magical manifester. I'm a magical manifester. All right, babe, send your wins in. Listen to the Be It Pod, share this with a friend, and until next time, you know what to do, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 9:07  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 9:50  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 9:55  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 9:59  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 10:06  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 10:09  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

In this solo episode, Brad Crowell shares his deep-rooted passion for Cambodia, how he and Lesley Logan built a retreat space in Siem Reap, and why they keep returning year after year. From the breathtaking temples of Angkor Wat to their partnership with a local NGO empowering young Cambodians, Brad reflects on creating a place for healing, learning, and connection. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Why Cambodia's history and magic make it a powerful place to host retreats.How Brad turned a childhood spark into a purpose-driven retreat experience.How Lesley and Brad built a retreat center that reflects their mission and values.How supporting local students through Spoons became part of their mission.What makes the guest experience at their Cambodia retreat truly one of a kind.Episode References/Links:Cambodia October Retreat 2025 - https://crowsnestretreats.comSpoons Cambodia - https://www.spoonscambodia.orgAngkor Wat (UNESCO) – https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/668 If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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Angkor Thom is one of the few carveouts in the UNESCO portfolio, or, as it were, that they don't have to do that because the trees are 400 years old, 500 years old. They've grown on top of the temple there. And basically, if they were to take the trees off, the temple would fall apart.Lesley Logan 0:32  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Brad Crowell 1:11  All right. Welcome back Be It babes. This is Brad here. Solo episode today. Hope you like the sound of my voice, because I'm just going to be rambling a little bit about my favorite topic in the entire world, going to Cambodia to spend time with the people there and enjoy some food there and go see the majestic, wonderful temples of Angkor Wat. It is obviously something I'm incredibly passionate about. You've heard me talk about it many, many times in this pod, if you're a listener. If you are brand new, welcome, welcome. We love having you joining us here on the Be It Pod. Cambodia, everybody always asks, hey, why Cambodia? Why? Right? Well, that's definitely my fault. The reality is, my mom bought at a yard sale. She bought, like, 10 years of National Geographic magazines for, I don't know, well, I don't know, I have no idea, I was like 10 years old, or 12 years old or something. Anyway, I opened up the very first one I remember, because I'm sure I looked at a lot, but the one I remember more than any other was opening up this, like, entire spread of Angkor Wat, right? And I didn't even know how to pronounce it at the time. I was a really young kid. But what I can tell you is I was way into dinosaurs, The Jungle Book and Transformers as a child, and when I saw this 10-page spread, or the spread of Angkor Wat in Nat Geo, this was like the Jungle Book in real life to me, and I was so excited about this, the curiosity that it inspired in me literally stayed with me until Lesley asked me, like, I don't know, 20 plus years later, hey, where do we want to go for our honeymoon? And my response instantly was, we're going to Cambodia.Brad Crowell 3:05  You know, and she's like, um, really, we're going to Cambodia. Why would we do that? Can we also go to Thailand? Can we also go to Japan? And I was like, of course, let's do those other things, too. But we have to go to Cambodia. I have to see Angkor Wat. I have to see the temples and the jungle temples. And you know, since then, I've been inspired a number of other times. I'm sure you're all aware that Angelina Jolie's version of Tomb Raider was actually filmed at the temples. It was filmed at Ta Prohm temple. That's, like, a really cool temple. It's actually really close to Angkor Wat. It's like, I don't know, 10 minutes away or 15 minutes away from Angkor, and so we have had a chance to go see that one. We saw the Angkor. We saw a temple called Bayon Temple, which actually they considered the, you know, at the time, because what's so cool about the history of Cambodia was a massive empire, is called the Khmer empire, K-H-M-E-R, Khmer Empire, and it covered all of Vietnam up into Lao, Laos, you know, Lao over into Thailand. It's very influenced by India, very influenced by the Thai, and then obviously, what was considered Cambodia today. So it was this massive, massive place. And Angkor was in the middle, and there's a city there, and the city is like fortified, there's a moat around the whole thing. It's this huge city, and in the very center of that city is Bayon Temple. And so they actually consider Bayon temple the center of the universe. They consider the center tower all the way up at the top to be like this pinnacle place that had a spiritual meaning. And the amount of wonder that Angkor inspires in me keeps me going back. Brad Crowell 4:42  When Lesley and I first went in 2016, we realized when we got home we loved Thailand, we loved Japan, but there was something magical about Cambodia that made us go, how do we go back? How do we go back? And that was the beginning of trying to figure that out. We try to figure out, how do we go? What do we need to do to get back there? Initially, we were like, hey, let's ask all of our friends and they'll come with us. This is gonna be super cool. And they were like, yeah, we're interested. But it never came to fruition, right? It was like, oh, yeah, maybe, we're not sure. Couldn't get anybody to actually commit. Lesley went back to her clients and said, is this ever been on anybody's bucket list going to Angkor? We are thinking about hosting a retreat there. And literally, like a dozen of her clients were like, yes, we're in, absolutely, let's do it. And we figured out a window of time that would work for everyone, and we gave ourselves roughly a year to put it all together, because we didn't know anybody. We had one contact there, and that was our tour guide. And so he was super generous. He was just a really helpful connector. And he helped guide us through figuring out, like, who should we talk to for hosting the retreat? And, you know, just all the things, any kind of question. And it was just lovely to have him. So a big shout out to Stephane De Greef and a big thank you to him. Eventually, when he decided to leave Cambodia and move over to Panama and then wherever he's at now, he contacted me and said, hey, man, I'm leaving, but let me introduce you to everybody that I know. And he did. He opened his Rolodex and just introduced us to all these different people there. And it was incredible. Brad Crowell 6:16  So we had the chance to go back in 2017 for our very first trip with Lesley's clients, and we rented a yoga shala. And the shala was really, really awesome. The people were really lovely. And so we decided to rent it again, and we run another group, and we rented a third time, and the third time, the experience just didn't work. It wasn't what we wanted. And it was actually frustrating, because when Lesley and I turned to ourselves and we were like, hey, maybe we should go get a hotel from our own retreat, we were like, yeah, we can't do this anymore. We got to find a better solution. And that's when we decided to go get our own place, right? And so now we'd been there four times at this point, and we just had a bunch of people that we knew. We reached out to them and said, hey, we're looking for a spot. How do we do this? And they helped connect the dots and help us get going. And basically it turned into this hunt for the right spot, the right place for us to take over and turn into ours. And in 2018 that happened, and it was so exciting. I remember flying back, it was really quick too, like, we got this message from our real estate person. They were like, hey, I think I actually found the right spot. And they gave us all these reasons why, and they really understood our mission and our vision. They really understood what we were trying to do. And they said, we actually like the people that you would be working with to do this, because we're not Cambodian. We can't actually own the land. We're not allowed. We're not a citizen, so we have to have a relationship with people who do own the land there, and they're literally our land lord, and we pay them as if it's like a lease, but we own all the things on it. We own a business there. We have a team there, all that stuff. And so he said, I actually think these people are going to be amazing, and they encourage people coming to visit Cambodia, and they care about it, and they're passionate about it, and so they're right. It was amazing. We met them. They were incredibly gracious and lovely, and we've had, at this point, many, many, many years of building a relationship with them. They're just awesome people, and we absolutely lucked out in that regard. And what we did is we took over this property that has a 12 bedroom apartment complex on it, and allowed us to begin to have our own place to bring you know, people from all around the world to come visit and have a safe, secure, clean, fun place. It's also quiet. We're right off the beaten path. We're like 10 minutes walk from the chaos of Pub Street and wow, like all the loud, but we're far enough away that you don't hear it. We're close enough to walk, but far enough away that it doesn't actually impact you. So it's so awesome. From the place we're like, maybe, oh, I don't know, 15 minutes drive to the Temple of Angkor Wat, which is the largest religious structure in the world. It is still functioning today. They absolutely use it for religious ceremonies and stuff. There's a mix of Hinduism and Buddhism in the way that, it's primarily Buddhist today. You know, you can still find other religions there. There's some Christianity, there's some Muslim faiths there. Primarily it's Buddhist, but the history of the country is a mash up of Hinduism and Buddhism because of war, right? It would be like invaded and then, you know, taken over and taken back and back and forth and all this stuff. And so consequently, there's actually a lot of history that was destroyed by the invading army. They'd come in and break all the statues, and then, you know, the other they build theirs. And then these guys would come back, and it would go back and forth over the centuries that that kind of thing happened. And what's so amazing is all of that is still there. It is available to be seen. It is just the most mind-bending thing when you get there and you're like, this is a thousand years old. This statue that I'm looking at here, they carved this. How did they do this? How did they move the stone? How did they even get this here? Like, how did they think this stuff up? Is it is so mind-blowing to me, because it's exactly in line with the stars and meridian lines and longitude and latitude, the amount of science and thought and understanding of architecture and structural integrity and the building materials and the process of doing it, it is so incredibly thought through and advanced. And then the art itself, the carvings, the planning, how could they have thousands of meters of wall? And it's not a repeat carving anywhere in the entire thing. It's all unique. Every single person in that that's carved into the wall is like, different from the person next to it. You know, it's amazing. It's just incredible. And they spent, I don't know, I think it was a couple decades to build Angkor Wat, like 30 plus years or something. But every time I go, I see something new. Every single time I go, I see something new. Brad Crowell 10:43  And so when we go, what we love to do is take our guests through the temples in a way that you would not normally go if you were to just show up and hire a typical tour guide, tuk guide kind of a thing. You'll see the big three, you know, you'll go to the city of Angkor Thom. You'll actually go to Angkor Wat, of course, which is the temple itself. You'll go to Bayon Temple, usually, and maybe one other place. So whatever one they'll probably take you to the jungle temple Ta Prohm, like I was saying that Angelina Jolie filmed at because that's a really mysterious temple as well, with this epic trees that have grown over top of the temple. In fact, Angkor Thom is really cool because this is a UNESCO heritage site now. And normally, if it's a UNESCO heritage site, they are required to, slowly, over time, rebuild the whatever the structure is to be as if it was the original structure, right? Angkor Thom is one of the few carve-outs in the UNESCO portfolio, as it were, that they don't have to do that, because the trees are 400 years old, 500 years old, they've grown on top of the temple there. And basically, if they were to take the trees off, the temple would fall apart. And so they got this exception to keep the everything as it is right now. And that makes it even more cool. I mean, it's just, it's so amazing. So when everybody arrives on Sunday night, we we just hang out. We do like class, we get some food, we usually go get a massage, and then the next morning, we get up and we have class, and then we have the morning off, because after lunch, we all hop on our tour bus and we go see a series of temples. We go to the south gate at Angkor Thom, we go see a pagoda. A pagoda is like a place of worship for monks today, it's kind of like a church, but it's usually open air, open-walled, right? So it's just like a covered building, generally. Sometimes they're, they've got walls and everything, too. But these pagodas that are inside of Angkor Thom are open-aired. And so we go see this pagoda, and there's like monks actually practicing there. And it's really neat to see the community still lives there, and they still do life there, right? So, and then we go in to Bayon Temple, and we go, from there, we might be able to go up to see Angkor or the elephant terrace, which is this like place where the king today still will go up to Angkor and you know, he will have a big ceremony once a year there. The royal family goes there. And then from there, we'll go to the north gate, and we'll see the different gates that they have. And they're all unique. They're all, you know, the similar concept, but they're all unique. And of course, the vegetation, the trees are different, the views are different, all that. Then we'll go out the east gate, and we'll go over and see Ta Prohm, right? Along the way, we'll stop at another place, Chau Say Tevoda, which is a smaller temple that was like, considered a library. There were twin temples there. So there's one on one side of the road, one on the other, the one is in way better shape than the the other side. So we always go to the one that actually is, like in repair. You know, maybe we walk through the jungle a little bit there. And, you know, there's, like, usually there's monkeys, which are not your friend, but they're usually there, too. We get a chance to go through and peek into the past. That is just mind-blowing. And my favorite part of going to Cambodia, well, one of my favorite parts, to be honest, because I really can't pick, is being able to go explore these temples. And there's just something that is so otherworldly about it, because you don't see this in the United States, right? You don't find this stuff, probably not even up in Canada. You might see something comparable in Europe, but it's different, right? The massive cathedrals in Europe could be like, 1000 years old too, but it's not the same as it being like, overtaken by the jungle and then carved out after they re-, quote-unquote, rediscovered it in the, you know, 1860s basically, a French guy discovered it in the 1860s again and brought it back to light in western civilization. And then the French actually occupied Cambodia for like, 100 years. And it wasn't until 1960s that Cambodia became Cambodia. Before that, it was an occupied territory of from the French, and it got its independence in the 60s. Brad Crowell 14:45  The second thing that is just amazing is the food. In Cambodia, they don't cook with milk or dairy products. There's no cheese. It's not standard. They also are generally light on the sauces, right? It's not like Thai food. Where everything has its own sauce, and it's half sauce and half whatever the dish is. It's different than that. They make a lot of curries, like I mentioned, it is, you know, a lot of influence from India and Thailand. There are a lot of noodle dishes, but there's a lot of rice dishes, and it's generally really clean eating, right? So if it's a rice dish, it's rice with a small side salad and then a little bit of prepared meat. Their quote-unquote sauce might be like salt and pepper mix, right? It's not sloshed with all this stuff. And so it's really great food. And it just, it's clean, easy, it's always farm to table, because they don't really have the big processing system that we do in the United States. So everything just tastes so good. I love it. And what we do, we get to work with, this is super special, when we moved there, there was this organization, it's an NGO, or a non-government organization that was started by somebody in the United States. They went there and they had a passion for Cambodia, and they said, hey, we could help. We could affect change by creating, effectively, a vo-tech school, right? So what they did is they would raise money, and then they would go into the countryside, and they would sponsor these kids who were really poor, who could not afford to educate themselves. And they said, hey, if you want to, we will give you a full ride, a full scholarship to our school. You'll stay on campus. You'll learn how to work in the service industry. So we'll teach you how to be a chef. We'll teach you how to be a pastry chef. We'll teach you how to be a barista or a server or a bartender or a manager or whatever. And so it's all surrounding the service industry. And then after the end of the program, after these kids go through the program, which I don't remember how long, it could be a couple years, because they also have, like, regular classes, and there's a dormitory and all this stuff. When they graduate, they actually will help them get a job placement. So they might move down to the big city in Phnom Penh and they go to a fancy hotel there, or maybe they stay relatively local in Siem Reap or maybe they go abroad, I don't know, but the school helps them get placed for a job. And this organization is called Spoons. Well, it's called Spoons today. I can't remember what it was called prior, because unfortunately, during COVID, all the money dried up and all the support dried up, and it wasn't available for them. And unfortunately, the American support basically said, hey, we got to close the doors. We don't have any way to keep this going. And the locals, the team that they have built, the Cambodians, some of them were graduates themselves, then helping to run the school, said, hey, this is an amazing thing that's really helping people here. We want to keep this going. And so they went locally, and they found a couple of really generous donors to effectively step in on the financial side to help support the school. And they were able to keep the doors open. And Lesley and I were there in like 2020 and things were still operating like normal when we were there in March of 2020 but then we were gone for two years. We weren't back until 2022 so when we finally got back in 2022 we went over there and we were talking to them, and they said, somehow we made it through. It's been crazy, but we were able to keep the doors open. And this year, we are sponsoring 20 students. This is the first time that we've ever operated as a company, as an organization, without any outside support. It's all like done locally. It's now run by and owned by Cambodians. They call themselves the Khmer people, run by khmer, and they were really proud of that, because they were able to keep this institution that had been put into place operating. And then the next year they had like 50 students. And then this past year, we were there, you know, we were just there in February of 2025, now, and they have like 78 students. And we're so pleased to be able to work with them, because we have them deliver our meals during the week. And then on the final day of the trip, we actually all go over to the restaurant, to Spoons, and they serve us. The students are working at the restaurant. So, you know, there's the head chef is a graduate, or the manager is a graduate, and they're making sure the wheels stay on the bus, but the barista, the servers, the bussers, all the food prep, all that stuff, is done by the students themselves. And it gives us so much joy to be able to support that organization. And the food they make is amazing. It's so good. Brad Crowell 19:03  We want to invite you to come join us in Cambodia on a trip and experience these things for yourself and join us so that we can make sure that you really do have an incredible time. Come stay at our house. It's so cool. Go to crowsnestretreats.com. We're taking another group in October of 2025, we're taking another group in October of 2026. In '26 we're only taking one group, so make sure that you check it out. Reach out to us and ask any question. I'm happy to answer them all. I love talking about this. I would love to get on the phone with you. It'd be amazing. So thank you so much for listening to me share my enthusiasm about this unbelievable place on our planet. And we hope you come join us. Bye for now.Lesley Logan 19:41  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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Lesley Logan shares her favorite parts of the Cambodia retreat and why she believes every woman should experience traveling abroad with a supportive community. Discover how this immersive week of movement, mindset, and connection can spark lasting breakthroughs in your Pilates practice and personal life. Plus, hear how retreat experiences can fast-track your growth and create friendships that truly last. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Why Siem Reap became the soul spot for this transformative retreat.How five Pilates sessions shift your body and mindset in just one week.What the workshops reveal about vision-setting and practical daily change.How the retreat breaks barriers and sparks deep friendships in minutes.Why new environments inspire clarity, confidence, and bold life shifts.Episode References/Links:Cambodia Pilates Retreat - https://crowsnestretreats.com If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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We build it like that. It is the thing you can't put a price on, to be completely honest. Because, in life as adults, I think it can be really difficult to make friendships like there's so much going on. For example, I meant to text a girlfriend two weeks ago. She travels a lot. I travel a lot. Something happened in my life and Brad's like, I think you should text her and I was like, yeah, I should text her and I just didn't do it. And then I was taking my yoga class, oh my God, I need to text and see how she is. Now that I'm in town, I can't wait to see her. and after yoga class, she'd already text me. So I just fucking love that. But that friendship, while amazing and wonderful, and for sure, I can go a month without texting her, and we're still the deepest and wonderful of friends, on this retreat there is not a month to make a friendship. You make it in a minute. Lesley Logan 0:44  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:27  Hello, Be It babe. How are you? I'm your guest today. No, it's me, and I'm really excited to chat with you. I realized you hear about us talking about Cambodia a lot, like, in my clips of like, come with us, come do Pilates, come do this, and you probably take a week off of your life to get on a plane, and for most people, at least 17 hours of travel, but probably more like 21, to do all that, you probably want to know a little bit about what is it like, right? And so I thought I'd just have you like a lowdown of my three favorite parts. And on Thursday, Brad is going to tell you about his favorite parts about the retreat. And I hope that this really makes you realize, oh, I'm coming in October. This is going to be something I do. And if you're someone who wants to host your own retreat, you can actually use our system and our team helps that make it easier for you. Obviously, you'd replace Pilates with whatever it is you do. But at any rate, let me tell you a little bit, so first of all, why do we go to Cambodia? Why do we go to Siem Reap? Well, if you're at all like me, you're probably like, hmm, can I go to an island? Can I lay on a beach? And I definitely understand a vacation of that sort. But this is not that. And you come to this for a different reason. So first of all, when Brad and I got married, which would be 10 years ago this October, Brad and I got married he wanted to go to Siem Reap for our honeymoon. And I was like, wow, that is not what I thought honeymoon would be. I thought a honeymoon would be like an island in Thailand on a boat. But really, I was like, okay, well, if we do Siem Reap, can we go to Thailand, and we also went to Japan. It was really, really fun. And the most hilarious thing is like, what we resist is there to assist, because we landed in Siem Reap and I was, my soul is home. It was dark, you guys. It was so dark. We went straight to bed. But like, I just was so excited to be there. I love the smell of it. I love the energy. It was just so different. And I think, you guys, we have an episode that came out with Monique Rhodes about getting out into cultures that are different than ours, and getting a little uncomfortable. And I just realized there was like a sense of joy around me and energy inside me that was like this is amazing. I got up and we watched the sun rise over Angkor, and then we went to like, seven temples in one day, maybe nine, and I just knew I'd come back. And so a year later, we had two retreats that year. We took people, Pilates clients, there, and we just had so much fun. We did it again and again and again. Now we've been, I don't know, 10 or 12 retreats. At any rate, what happens when you come on a retreat with us, and the reason I think you will love this so much is I really believe that women should travel abroad. I think it's really important for women to see different ways the world works, see how different cultures support the people around them and community around them. I just thought it was just like the coolest thing. And so at any rate, I also know that traveling alone is not actually everyone's cup of tea, and also it might not feel very accessible or very safe. And so when we created this retreat, I wanted you to become to my home, because that's gonna make you feel more comfortable, right? And also we wanted to make it super easy, so that you don't even have to worry about, how do you get from the airport to where we are. It's a different country. t's a different language. Whenever I land in different country, I'm always like, okay, I know once I get to my hotel, I'm gonna be okay, but from the hotel to the airport, how does this work? Do I need a credit card? Do we have to have cash? Do you have to exchange already? What's the cultural system? How far is the airport? Sometimes they're so far away. So you don't have to worry about that, because we actually pick you up. We have one of our most amazing drivers, trusted drivers, who comes and picks you up. You come to our house and we do five Pilates classes over the six days. So we actually do a class when you arrive, just to stretch out from the plane, and I find out like, what your movement goals are that week and what exercises you want to move through. And each class helps each person build up to the practice and things that they want. And we had so many people, like this last retreat, we have people who never did Pilates before, to clients of ours who've been part of OPC for a really long time, to teachers who've been teaching for a really long time, and each person got to work on an exercise that they really struggled with and get some breakthroughs. It was really a lot of fun. And so we do one afternoon class, and then four mornings we do a class. We don't do a class on the sunrise day. I promise you, we get enough steps in. We do. We get enough steps in. And so it's just really quite fun to see also how your Pilates practice can change only in a week, but from day to day depending on what we did the day before, which is just fabulous. It's like creating the Pilates movement habit that you really want. We do it together on this retreat. Lesley Logan 5:39  So Brad will talk more about all the temples and the food and all the other stuff, but I wanted to tell you about the workshops. So I used to do Pilates mat workshops. And the truth is, is that it's hot. It's hot there. And two and a half hours working on our mats, on these exercises. While super fun and interesting, it's also just a lot. It's a lot on the body. It's a lot on the mind. And I don't think it makes your mat practice more consistent when you get home. The mat classes themselves do that. So I pulled together some my favorite things that are like podcast type, my business coaching type, my breath work stuff, all that stuff, I pulled it together, and I put this unique two day workshop together where we do breath work to visualize what we want. Who do we want to be? What is this Be It Till We See It, right? What is that? And then we journal, and you can share what you want. Obviously, don't have to. And then we go through all the different things that you should get clear on. So it's like everything, every Be It podcast has taught us roughly on manifestation and visualization into a workshop, and we end with breath work, and it's just so beautiful to solidify it. Lesley Logan 6:53  Then the next thing, we come back, I take that woo-woo, and I bring in stuff that makes it a one woo, which is, how do we actually get the thing we visualize to become reality? How do we do that? And I can tell you right now, because we've done this so many times, and we've had people do it twice, that we have a woman, her wins will be shared on a future FYF, that in less than six months of the retreat, and what she visualized, she's already doing the things that she put together, already, right, already done. So because we actually talk about, okay, so you're really busy. You've known you want this life for a really long time, but you don't know how to do it. We actually go through a series of exercises to make that a reality. Buy back your time. Make it easier for you to have the habits you want. Make a morning routine that you like to have. Make an ideal schedule that has you and your priorities in it. All the things that you hear me talk about in, like, short, quick sentences, we take hours to, like, really dive in and depending on who you are and where you're at in your life, one of the practices we do might be the exact thing you need, where the other one might be for someone else. It's just really fun, because by the end of the second workshop day, you have homework that you can take back on literally, what your first next step is to make this vision become a reality, to make this vision something you can be till you see. It's just really, really cool, and it's something that I promise you, like doing breath work outside and hearing birds chirping and sometimes a frog ribbiting to the side, and then the traffic's going by, like it's just really cool, like you're not so removed from life that you're woo, I'm off in Wonderland. And then you visualize something that's not even what you want, but it just sounds so spiritually amazing. No, you visualize what you want. Lesley Logan 8:35  And the thing that this retreat always attracts is the almost epic people, and they change you because they validate you. They see you. They high five you. We had a beautiful soul who was like, I don't want to feel like this. I don't feel like this emotion. I'm going to keep that between the retreaters and the women there didn't even know her, and they're like, no, no one would ever judge you for that. You don't need to feel like that. And validated her in a way they don't know her, you know. And so that to me, that community, that family, that we build, we build it in a class, we build it like that. It is the thing you can't put a price on, to be completely honest. Because in life, as adults, I think it can be really difficult to make friendships like there's so much going on. For example, I meant to text a girlfriend two weeks ago. She travels a lot. I travel a lot. Something happened in my life, and Brad's like, I think you should text her. And I was like, yeah, I should text her. And I just didn't do it. And then I was taking my yoga class. Oh my God, I need to text her and see how she is. Now that I'm in town, I can't wait to see her. And after yoga class, she'd already text me, so I just fucking love that. But that friendship, while amazing and wonderful, and for sure, I can go a month without texting her, and we're still the deepest and wonderful of friends, on this retreat, there is not a month to make a friendship. You make it in a minute, and it's really quite cool, because these people have no idea who, what your life is back at home, and so you can kind of explore the things that you desire, the things you want, the things that you're worried about, in a way that is in a different vacuum, half a day away from everything else. Lesley Logan 10:08  You can notice what you miss, what you don't miss. You can notice what you don't actually worry about, and what you are and it really helps you have some perspective. But most importantly, you get these deep friendships that just this shared experience, that even a year, five years from now, you'll think back to this trip and that person, that conversation, and how integral it was into you becoming more of the person you want to be. I think it's really hard to dream up what your future should be in the current chaos of your life. I think it's just really hard. Because even if you are able to, like, close your eyes and tune out all the noise, the moment you're done with the meditation, there's a knock on the door, an extra bill came that you weren't expecting, or someone texts you out of the blue and needs something. And so it can be really hard to, like, stay in that juiciness, right, to stay in that space, to really pull it together, to pull the whole dream together, pull a vision together, to, like, really explore what you don't want without any outside influence. And so yes, we're there and we're outside, and there's gonna be influence, but that influence is going to be, oh my God, over a thousand years ago, a bunch of people built these temples without machines, right? They did a bamboo and elephants, and someone put this from idea into reality, and there was a whole world here thriving away from the ocean a thousands years ago, because they were able to figure out how to get the water to run the wrong direction so that they could live. Talk about moving actual mountains to create a society that thrives and survives. Lesley Logan 11:48  And so to me, what is so cool about prioritizing your Pilates practice, or even starting a Pilates practice and being around other people and having the most incredible experience, an exposure to something so different. In Cambodia, they have a very savory breakfast, okay, and it's very filling, because a lot of them work outside, and most of us probably barely sit down and enjoy our breakfast. But there, we like sit down, enjoy it. We get to explore it. We have it outside. There's all these different things we do, and having that such a different cultural experience keeps you from doubting or putting up obstacles to making your dreams a reality, which is why so many of our retreaters have come back again and have made changes within a week, 30 days, six months of their life, and are having their dream become a reality, and more importantly, they're in community, because it's, like I was saying, was so hard to build friendships. You build them in seconds because you all are there because you wanted a week away. So you have that thing common. You're all there because you're like, I wanted to see this. I wanted to go on this experience. And so it really brings barriers down and allows you to have really deep, wonderful aha conversations, and yeah, you'll go shopping or go for a walk with someone you literally met yesterday. And it's just, it's just magical. So I'm really obsessed with this retreat. I really love exposing people to a culture that's so different than theirs. I really love people seeing how uncomfortable they can be. Not that the retreat is uncomfortable at all, but meaning like, yes, you can do that long flight. Yes, you can get to a foreign country on your own. Yes, you can be among strangers and make friends. Yes, you can do Pilates five times in one week. Yes, you can visualize what you want. Yes, you can try a food that you've never heard of and like it. Yes, you can, right? And what that brings in your confidence that you take home with you. Most people get home and they're like, take me back. How do I go back to where that was? Because there's just something so present in your body when you're there. That's how I can describe it. You just get so present, get out of all the chaos, and you get to just be yourself among some really cool people. Lesley Logan 14:04  So I want you to come. I want you to come this year. I want you to come with us. I want you to stay at my house. Want you to move with me. I want to hear what you dream of, and I want to celebrate that, and I want to help you find the first next step for that. And I want to build a community with you that puts in, build in cheerleaders and accountability buddies to remind you, oh my God, remember this? I want to give you memories that last a lifetime. Lesley Logan 14:28  So go to crowsnestretreats.com so that you can be it till you see it on this and I think the Be It Action, I would just be like, what if you could do this trip? What if you could go on a trip? What if you were someone who could go on this trip? What would that look like? Who would you have to be? What help do you need? Just, do you need a travel agent to help you book the flight? Okay, let's do that. Don't let that technology stop you. Don't let the crazy trip stop you. Do you need someone to watch your dog? I bet you there's someone who can just watch your house and your dog for you. There are, literally, those websites for that. What if you could make this trip happen instead of going, oh, next time, oh, I'm too busy this year. What about next time? What if you could make it happen? I think that's my Be It Action Item. Lesley Logan 15:08  And I will say, I pulled this for Brad, but I think it's really cool for this podcast, it says my creativity exists outside the paradigms I'm told to squeeze myself into. My creativity exists outside the paradigms I'm told to squeeze myself into. You are told all the time, busy, busy, busy. People are busy. Get stuff done. And you're also told a ton of stuff about why you can't take a week off for yourself. You must be on a trip you do with others. You can go on this alone. We've got others for you. Yes, you can. You can. And the way the retreat is set up, if you fly on a Friday night, depending on where you live, you will be there on Sunday morning at the latest, maybe Sunday afternoon. The retreat starts in the early evening, and we end on a Friday morning, so that you can fly out on a Friday and be home probably on a Friday. Solike a week, a week of work. Come on, what are you waiting for? Lesley Logan 15:57  All right, loves. I hope that it was fun to go on a little adventure with me, letting me share why do this retreat? Why I want you on it? What you're going to do with me on it. Thursday, Brad is going to talk about all the other goodness, his favorite parts, and I think it's really fun to hear why he loves it so much. And then you get to experience both of us on a retreat together. And the joy and the adventure is just, well, it's a good kind of contagion. All right loves, until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 16:24  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 17:06  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 17:11  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 17:16  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 17:23  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 17:26  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Celebrating global wins and personal milestones, Lesley highlights the incredible breakthroughs from Olympic champion Kirsty Coventry and Agency members launching new programs and signing dream leases. She also reflects on the powerful feedback that reminded her why showing up truly matters and the values she strives to embody as a teacher and coach. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Why Kirsty Coventry's IOC appointment is so powerful.How Nancy created new revenue with her first coaching client.How Katelyn successfully signed the lease on her dream studio.​How feedback can fuel your self-worth and confidence.Episode References/Links:About Kirsty Coventry - https://www.instagram.com/p/DHeS0dzOYE1 If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/ Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/ Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  It's Fuck Yeah Friday. Brad Crowell 0:01  Fuck yeah. Lesley Logan 0:02  Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:48  Hi, Be It babe. All right, today is episode, is our Fuck Yeah Friday episode is our sweet, short, inspirational gives you all the things you need. Maybe hear a win of your own, or here are some things that people are calling wins and something that inspires me, a win of yours and a win of mine, in the middle we have a mantra, and we go into our weekend the best way possible. Lesley Logan 1:05  So this I saw on the gram, and it inspired the heck out of me. So for the first time in its 131 years, the International Olympic Committee elects a woman president, Olympic champion Kirsty Coventry makes history. So Kirsty Coventry has been elected as the first woman and first African president of the International Olympic Committee, making a groundbreaking moment. A trailblazer both in and out of the pool, the seven-time Olympic medalist is bringing her leadership, experience and passion for the athlete advancement to one of the most influential roles in global sports. I mean, come on, like, how great is this? Because the truth is, is that we all know that the Olympic Committee needs to make sure that it knows what it's doing with these athletes. And I think it's so great that a female athlete, a female Olympian, and the first, 131 years, it's really annoying, but also yay, we did it. It's happened. I mean, we got to celebrate it. And I'm excited to see what Kirsty brings to the Olympics, because I actually do really love the Olympics, and I want to make sure they stay amazing for all that in them. Lesley Logan 2:02  All right, your win. This is from one of our longtime Agency members. Her name is Nancy Brest and we have been so excited with what she's doing. So she said today, I have my first coaching client in a new revenue stream. I'm setting up language scripts to make the conversion from discussion to invitation to work together and offer. Fuck yeah. Way to go, Nancy. Whenever we start a new revenue stream or whenever we start something new, can be really hard. It's like easy to procrastinate. Way to go, way to not do that. And also, you have your first coaching client already. So, way to go. I'm super excited for you. I'm really, really, really thrilled. So thank you, Nancy, for sharing that with us. Lesley Logan 2:39  I'm gonna share a win from Katelyn Elser. I launched a six-week program in January as a test, and all of them converted into continuous subscription clients. I signed a lease for a studio. It's my dream to open a brick and mortar, and this has definitely happened faster than expected. Katelyn, you're a badass. I mean, usually the studio stuff does often happen a little faster than we expect, but you're ready, and you're not doing it like as a guest. So throwing things at a wall, see what sticks, you're doing it so intelligently, and it's been really fun to see what you're doing. So thank you, ladies for sharing your wins with us. Lesley Logan 3:10  I'm going to share this win. I got an email from someone who attended my workshops at the Pilates On Tour in Denver at Balanced Body's event, and I'm not going to share all of the email because some of it is personal and stuff like that for us, but I've never had someone just like, send me a bullet-pointed list of like, the things that they loved about my workshops. But I'm calling this a win because what you're about to hear is exactly what I've always wanted for my events. And so to have someone put into words and say this, I had to celebrate this. So this from Sophia, she said you really create a safe space for people to ask questions and speak up, make them feel important and valued. You have an incredible depth of knowledge about Pilates, people, business. I had no idea what a resource you were, and I'm so glad I know now. You are confident teaching six bodies you've never seen with 30 people watching while you flow and adjust their movement. You are brave. You don't look down on people because of their training or their knowledge. And things turned a different way than you expected and how you handled it was brilliant. This industry is full of snobs and judgmental people, and I was really impressed you were not either of those things. You build people up instead of tearing them down. You have great information. I love learning about Jay Grimes and what he said and did, and I appreciate hearing your ideas on running a business. And so thank you for all you shared this past weekend. I don't know if you do this, but if you're ever in an industry where you could get feedback from people, and you get good feedback, I hope that you take some time to receive it, right? It'd be so easy, on the same day, I got all this. I also had some customer service emails where people somehow bought too many of the exact same thing. I could have been all consumed by that, and instead, I actually was like, this, this is, this is what I should be consumed by, because this is what I've always wanted people to experience from my workshops and a bunch of other things, of course. And you don't always know that the thing you're doing is working. And so, Sophia, thank you for being part of my win. I'm also excited to see what you do at your growth and your changes in your business. So that's super exciting. Lesley Logan 5:10  Okay, so now you do a mantra. I hope you like, take, like, do you, do you actually receive compliments? Well, if not, I want you to try that this week, and then I want you to celebrate it as a win. Let me know. All right, so our mantra for the weekend, I break all spells that keep me asleep to my own magic. I break all spells that keep me asleep to my own magic. I break all spells that keep me asleep to my own magic. Way to go, babe. Be It babe, thank you so much. We are well into the five hundreds, and we are midway through Q2 and I know there's a lot going on. I really love that you take the time to listen to all of our episodes, and that you share your wins with us, and you share this podcast with a friend. So until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 5:56  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 6:38  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 6:43  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 6:48  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 6:55  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 6:58  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

In this energetic recap, Lesley and Brad revisit Lesley's roundtable interview with the OPC teachers and reflect on the power of community, inclusive movement, and consistency. They explore how each teacher's unique journey contributes to the magic of OPC and share how the platform was designed to help every body feel seen and supported. Whether you're a teacher or a student, there's space for you here. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Why OPC values community as much as consistency.How a curated class format supports movement without overwhelm.What it means to take messy action—and why it works.How diverse life experiences strengthen teaching and student connection.Why movement “snacks” can reframe how you approach exercises.Episode References/Links:Mullet Tour - https://opc.me/ukChat with Us - https://opc.me/chatSummer Tour - https://opc.me/eventsPilates Studio Growth Accelerator - https://prfit.biz/acceleratorCambodia October 2025 Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comJoin OPC - https://onlinepilatesclasses.comMindi Westfall - https://instagram.com/bendymindipilatesRachel Piper - https://instagram.com/size_diverse_pilatesChristine Kam-Lynch - https://instagram.com/pilates.boundMegan Lauman - https://instagram.com/megans_pilatesYasmin Scholten - https://instagram.com/purapilates_yasmin If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/ Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/ Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  A lot of people want to be a teacher on the platform it's because they want to be part of something. And I can tell you right now, even if you're not on the platform teaching it, when you're in the community, you're absolutely part of something. Lesley Logan 0:11  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:53  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the invigorating convo, the chaotic convo, the most amazing, we have the most guests ever, convo with the OPC teachers, minus Tami, but we'll have her on in a couple of weeks. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, you are missing out on some giggles and some fun. And I'm just so glad that Brad, if you guys are watching this on YouTube, I apologize for all the moving, because I asked Brad with my eyes, if we were ready for this. Brad Crowell 1:21  You asked me with your eyes? Lesley Logan 1:22  Yes. And you did a you did an acknowledgement. Brad Crowell 1:25  I'm just making sure you're on the screen. Lesley Logan 1:27  Yeah. And if you are listening to this, just so you know, you will not get motion sickness like everyone else is right now. Okay, he's settled. We're settled. Brad Crowell 1:34  Sunglasses. Lesley Logan 1:37  Okay, now, now we're all just experiencing what ADD and ADHD looks like in the same room. This is a lot. This is confusing. I'm gone, now I've lost track. Okay, let's bring this bus back on the road. So you should listen to the OPC teachers, because they're so fun. We had five of us. Well, I guess me. Brad Crowell 1:56  You count, you're a teacher. Lesley Logan 1:58  I know. So we're. Brad Crowell 1:59  Six out of seven. Lesley Logan 1:59  Six out of seven. We were missing Tami. It's really hard to get all the time zones to work, guys, so I was pretty proud of us to get six, but we'll have Tami on because we actually have really fun thing coming up with her later this year. So, at any rate. Brad Crowell 2:08  Yasmin lives in Germany, you know. Lesley Logan 2:11  I know. And guess whose internet was the one that was fucked up? Ours. So anyways, not that Germany has bad internet, but I'm just saying, like out of all the time zones, I just was having some problems. They were talking without me. They planned a whole trip while I was just, bye, disappered. Brad Crowell 2:23  Yeah, I know you popped back on and they were like, yep, we're just making plans. We're gonna get together. Lesley Logan 2:27  Yeah, they're having an overnight, that's what the OPC teachers do. They love summer parties and anything that brings community together. So you'll just want to listen to that one, but first we'll recap it, and then you can go back and listen. So this is what happens when I take over. I actually know the day, but I'm going to do it anyways, because I know what I wrote. So today is May 1st 2025, and it's Couple Appreciation Day. Brad Crowell 2:47  That's fun. Lesley Logan 2:47  Couple Appreciation Day, just so you know, on May 1st there's 40 other holidays. I had a lot of things I could choose from, but Couple Appreciation Day.Brad Crowell 2:54  Lesley produced, partly produced this episode. Lesley Logan 2:56  I did, I did. It's going to be a mess. So Couple Appreciation Day is celebrated on May 1st whether you've just started dating or you've been married for many years, it's important to appreciate your partner now and then. Celebrating the milestones you've passed and looking to more happy years in the future helps keep the romance alive. Even the smallest of gestures can make an impact. Do the chore so your partner can relax or prepare a nice meal when they come home exhausted from work. Romance doesn't have to be elaborate over the top, unless, of course, that's what a couple is into. But also, today. Brad Crowell 3:25  Can just be a touch on the shoulder or a thank you. Lesley Logan 3:27  You know, do something you're not usually doing without being asked. That's probably the best thing. Brad Crowell 3:32  If you always get flowers. Change it up. Change it up. Lesley Logan 3:34  Yeah, get chocolates or get flowers and chocolates.Brad Crowell 3:37  Or don't give something, but do an act of service or something else. Lesley Logan 3:42  If there's something that your partner complains about doing, maybe try to do it for them. Or if they are tired of driving, maybe today you get them an Uber gift card and they get to have a chauffeur to work. Brad Crowell 3:54  Ooh, that's a fun idea. Lesley Logan 3:57  Also, one of the other holidays today in the Philippines, it's Labor Day. So to our team in the Philippines, we have a lot of people out there. Happy Labor Day to you, by the way, that means it's like May Day, which is a whole historical day that I know about, but surface level. So I'm not going to go into it, but it led to a National Phone-In-Sick Day to make sure that the world knows what happens without your labor. And since we are on the theme of little ways of protesting, if you are an employee somewhere and you have sick days and you haven't been using them, use one. Call in sick. Let people know what it's, let people know what happens if they don't have their team. But just remember, to our team, Happy Labor Day. Have the day off and we love you. So, okay, we are headed to the UK this fall. This is for Pilates teachers and really big in Pilates enthusiasts. We have two locations. We have six workshops. Two are business, Pilates business, and four are Pilates movement related. We've got two classes. The deal on this thing is insanity. If you were to buy each thing one at a time, it was, like, almost $2,000 and we're selling it for, like, I don't know, 550 pounds or something like that. So you'll want to go to opc.me/uk to sign up and snag your spot on the limited spots that we have. Brad Crowell 5:14  Our second person who registered is coming in from Europe, so. Lesley Logan 5:18  Yeah, you can come in from Europe. Brad Crowell 5:20  Yeah, we're going to be in Essex or Leeds, and there's plenty of hotels in the area. Lesley Logan 5:25  And Leeds, the ors. Brad Crowell 5:26  Sorry, yeah, for you, you could pick one of the two. We will be in both. I mean, hell, you want to come to both? Come to both.Lesley Logan 5:33  There's only one workshop that repeats itself, and it's one that you probably want to go to twice, to be completely honest. So it's really amazing. And then this particular Saturday is Pilates Day. It's International Pilates day, the first Saturday of May. And in honor of that, we'll be wrapping up our spring training event. So you, probably too late to join us, to be completely honest, but we'll be doing that. I'm really, really excited. Brad Crowell 5:54  Maybe not. Lesley Logan 5:55  I don't know. Brad Crowell 5:55  If you want to hop in right now. Lesley Logan 5:57  You can. You'll, you'll have a week of replays, still not from today, but I think to the 10th. So you have seven days. So yeah.Brad Crowell 6:03  If you're, if like, you're watching, if you listen to this the day it comes out and you want to figure out what we're talking about, chat to us. Go to opc.me/chat and we'll send you a link to the Spring Training event. There's a few more days. Lesley Logan 6:15  Yeah, it's really, it's been quite a fun week. I'm really thrilled with the whole thing. I mean, it's just really fun to do classes live and like, you get your Pilates habit and routine on, and then you can go back to doing it with Iike, on your own time.Brad Crowell 6:27  I mean, this is kind of a perfect episode to be talking about Spring Training because. Lesley Logan 6:31  It really is. Brad Crowell 6:32  It features all the teachers that you're that you listened to in the last episode.Lesley Logan 6:35  Yeah, if you fell in love with them. Yeah, so they're all part of it. It's really quite amazing. And what's really hilarious is Tami is actually in the house right now, so like when this episode goes out. So she wasn't on that episode, but she's currently in our house filming OPC workouts. At any rate, just the irony of all it. Then this summer, we're actually going on our Summer Tour. And it is cooking, we are getting really, really close to announce the cities and help you snide your tickets, you're going to want them, because West Coast is the location of this tour, which means smaller spaces. It just is, just how it works out. Brad Crowell 7:09  It's true. Lesley Logan 7:09  You know, it's just expensive to have bigger studios in some of these cities. So they'll be smaller spaces, which means you're gonna want to get your tickets. So, opc.me/events, means you're going to get the first updates on the tour and all that stuff. So you'll want to go to opc.me/events. Brad, why don't you chime in? Brad Crowell 7:25  Yeah, if you are taking clients for Pilates and you are trying to figure out how to get more clients, or just how to create stability in this tumultuous time, we're doing a webinar on that. It's called the Growth Accelerator Webinar, and it's free, and I want you to come join me. There's a Q&A option, and I'll be sharing three big secrets that we've learned from coaching 2500 plus businesses just like yours.Lesley Logan 7:51  It's really fun, you guys. It's really amazing. It's like, it's a way for you to understand what Agency is, but also what we believe in the Pilates industry, because there are other people out there, and it's important that you know what the values of the people who are coaching you are, because it needs to align with yours. And we firmly believe in your business working for you. You're not working for it. And so that means that the templates that we use are more formulas versus like and this is how every studio needs to look and this is exactly, this is exactly how your onboarding series goes, and this is how this goes. Brad Crowell 8:21  Yeah, here's the language that you use, no, all that does not work.Lesley Logan 8:23  No, that does not work because you all have different audiences that you want to be talking to, and you're also coming at it from either this is your full time gig, or you want it to be your full time gig, or you have kids and this is your part time gig. Like everyone comes from a different place, so it has to work for you, and that's what we pride ourselves on, is you can really mold what we coach you on to your business. Last up.Brad Crowell 8:42  Last, but not least, my absolute favorite thing in the world to do is to go to Cambodia, and we have a retreat coming up this October, go to crowsnestretreats.com. If you got all to listen to this podcast, you've heard us talk about it a million times. But isn't this the year for you? Isn't this the time? Lesley Logan 8:58  Oh, my goodness, I just wrote a whole email about why you should let us do this and I'm correct. Brad Crowell 9:02  But also like, don't you need a retreat right now? Right now. Do you need a retreat? I do. I'm ready. Lesley Logan 9:08  I actually was looking at our potential flight plans, and one of them would let us go to Vietnam, but it's kind of complicated. We're doing all these other things beforehand, so I want to go to Vietnam, and also kind of want to go to Colombia, which I know is on the other side of the world. So it's different, just different where my head is, but one of the flight plans will let us have a layover, though, to go to Botanical Gardens. Brad Crowell 9:25  Oh, in Korea? Lesley Logan 9:26  In Singapore. Brad Crowell 9:27  Oh, in Singapore. Lesley Logan 9:28  Yeah, we did the Botanical Gardens in Korea. Brad Crowell 9:29  We did do that, yeah.Lesley Logan 9:30  So, but I just pinged you and said hey, there's six hours in the daytime, and so that's an hour. And then we need about. Brad Crowell 9:37  I think we were looking at the Botanical Gardens when we were there last, right? Lesley Logan 9:39  Having dinner, yes, you pointed out, yes, it was closed because we got there close to the eighth. So I think we could do it in four hours. Brad Crowell 9:46  That'd be awesome. Lesley Logan 9:47  Yeah. So anyways, we might skip Vietnam and go there. But here's what I bragged about in my email, what you would get if you were already on our waitlist for this. But I actually wrote about, we're really fucking good at this retreat. We're so good at it. And I say this because a lot of people don't like to brag about things. A lot of people are like, oh, I'm a humble person, no, there are certain things that you do really, really well. Like our friend Vincent unapologetically goes, I make fucking great eggs. I make great eggs. I watched the master class on egg making, and I make great eggs. He's never made us eggs, but I'm just saying he brags about it, right? Like, I'm aware that he makes good eggs, and I've never even had them. What we do really well is create an amazing experience for you. You have nothing to do on this trip but get your plane ticket and let us know when you land, because we will pick you up from the airport. Well, not us, but our driver will pick you up from the airport, and it will bring you to our house. And we have a wonderful schedule that is not going to make you exhausted, but it's also going to make sure you see everything.Brad Crowell 10:38  It includes a lot of free time. You're going to have a chance to chill.Lesley Logan 10:40  Yes, but not so much free time you feel like you didn't do anything so you have to plan something. No, it is a wonderful, the cadence is amazing. I'm telling you, every single person tells us how great the schedule is because we do it well. So if you would like to literally retreat yourself, I promise you, when you are halfway across the world, it's very easy to go, you know what? I could put a pin all that chaos, because I'm over here looking at this beauty, and you can actually, just for the nervous system, it's so freaking good. I could go on forever, but go to crowsnestretreats.com to snag your spot. Brad Crowell 11:10  Yeah, all right. Well, before we get into it, about the teachers, we had a question. Alison Pilates on YouTube asked, hey, I love the 60-minute full Reformer workout. We tried to find the links to the exercises so I could practice and get better at the pace. Where can I find them?Lesley Logan 11:26  Yeah, so you guys on YouTube, we have two full Joseph Pilates ordered workouts. We have the mat one, and we have the Reformer one, and they're both advanced. So I'm just gonna tell you right now, if it's the full order, it's super advanced, right? But at any rate, we have these on there, and it's kind of impossible to link to every single tutorial in the show notes of YouTube. I mean, I guess we can, but you can't click them, and there would be 79 exercises to click to. So actually, what you want to do is download the OPC app. It's free. You don't have to be an OPC member. Can download the app, and then you can go to the tutorials, and you can click on the Reformer, and they're all right there. They're all right there. And that way you can review the exercises you're not so familiar with, so you can learn them. And then when you take this workout again, you can be faster at it, or you can omit exercises not right for your body. That particular workout, I did all the super advanced back bends and headstands and all the things, and what I would just say is, even in my own workout, I don't do all of them. I pick two or three, but I did them all so that there is a place where this workout exists. I'm really excited that you guys are loving it, but, yeah, get the app. That's the best place. Brad Crowell 12:30  Yeah, the other thing you can do is, if you just want a list of links to the order, you can Google onlinepilatesclasses.com reformer order and a blog post will come up. We did make a post that has. Lesley Logan 12:43  That's linked. Brad Crowell 12:44  I don't know if it's exactly the same as the 60-minute YouTube video you were talking about, probably is, but. Lesley Logan 12:50  No, I can confirm. Brad Crowell 12:52  Lesley is confirming it's the same. So just Google onlinepilatesclasses.com reformer order, and you'll find the blog post that actually links directly to each one. Lesley Logan 13:02  So, thank you, Alison Pilates. I hope you enjoy that. And also, by the way, if you want to actually get better at the pace and the exercises, I highly recommend you actually just be I'm an OPC member, because at OPC, we don't do the super advanced exercises. We do more of the all level exercises, but you get to nerd out on a particular exercise and see how it works throughout the Reformer and on the mat, and we work at pace, and it's really fun. And then you can actually send me a video of you doing an exercise and I'll give you feedback on your form. There you go. Okay.Brad Crowell 13:32  Great job. Well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into this amazing and super fun convo that Lesley had with all the OPC teachers, where actually, I got to know them better than I've ever known them. I didn't know any of these stories, so I'm really looking forward to chatting about it. Stick around. Brad Crowell 13:48  All right. Welcome back. So let's talk about Rachel Piper, Mindi Westfall, Christine Kam-Lynch, Megan Lauman and Yasmin Scholten. Only one missing was Tami-Adrian George, but we have a dedicated episode. Lesley Logan 14:01  Just for her. Brad Crowell 14:01  Just for her. Lesley Logan 14:02  She's got a lot we all talk about. Brad Crowell 14:04  She's got a lot going on. These five incredible women are part of the dedicated teachers at OPC. Each brings something unique to the mat, blending a deep love for learning with personal experiences that show how Pilates can transform your body and your life. Christine balances a full-time tech career while teaching Pilates. Mindi, known as “Bendy Mindi Pilates” on Instagram, continued Pilates after undergoing microdiscectomy, and now helps others find strength in their flexibility. Rachel a proud quote-unquote mat rat with a biotech background.Lesley Logan 14:39  I love that she's a mat rat with a biotech background. Brad Crowell 14:42  I've never even heard that term.Lesley Logan 14:43  I know, but I really think is there just a better animal? Brad Crowell 14:46  All right, well, so she has a biotech background. She still works in science and teams and all the things. She brings her love of themes and creative expression to every single class. Megan, a mother of four, based in Missouri, discover Pilates as a way to heal her body and now teaches from her home studio. And Yasmin, based in Germany, left corporate life to open a home studio in her small town where she grew up. Okay, I just want to put this out there right away, before everybody else asks, how do I become a teacher on onlinepilatesclasses.com? This is what, we get asked this all the time. Here's the truth of it. All five of these women who are on this interview were already OPC members. They were already participating. They were already changing their life with the consistency of their practice and using OPC to do it. And that's how we met them. Like I mean, there's other ways we actually met them, some of them outside of there, but that's how we got to know them. That's how it began to make sense. They were asking all these questions. They were participating, and it was a very organic opportunity, over the years to invite them to teach, because they actually care about the community. That's the thing that matters for us. Lesley Logan 15:52  Yeah, like you said, I've had, I still always have people who ask, and it's like, if you're not in the community participating, then it's really hard for us to get the community to want to take your class. And then the other thing I'll just say is, even if you're coming to join and be part of the community, we're not hiring all the time. So, yes, join because we want you to be a part of it, but join for you, not because of that goal. And then the other thing I want us to be like every single one of these girls has done eLevate, my mentorship program, so that we're all in the same page, so even though we're taking our own experiences and our own bodies and our own way of feeling the exercise in our body, but they all understand how Joseph Pilates created this stuff and gave it to Jay and his teachers taught me and all the stuff. So, are we looking for more teachers? Not this time, because we're really focused on the community and growing the community, but I would love to see you in the community, because I think why a lot of people want to be a teacher on the platform is because they want to be part of something. And I can tell you right now, even if you're not on the platform teaching it, when you're in the community, you're absolutely part of something. And that is something I'm so proud of, our members who share things. People know each other's name, even though they've never met. And people do connect in in-person events that we have, and then they hang out without us. There are eight women who take OPC classes at the same time on Wednesdays, at 8 a.m. and they're not teachers on this platform, but they are teachers. And so I just want to say OPC was never designed just for teachers, it'sdesigned for everybody, but I think that most people just want to, because they want to be part of something. You could be part of something without the commitment of figuring out your lighting and making sure your camera is straight. Brad Crowell 17:32  That is, that's the thing. Lesley Logan 17:33  And that your mic is actually working. Because sometimes you film an entire workout that is unusable. Brad Crowell 17:37  And I love, I think the thing I love the most about OPC is that once a month we do a live mat class, and after the mat class is over, everybody just hangs out and they just talk, and they get to update each other on different things about life, and it's been. Lesley Logan 17:55  We just celebrated, like a couple girls just finished their exams, so that was really fun. We know that from the hangout sessions, and then we know some of us picked up their kids from college and did spring break with them. Like it's kind of fun to know what everyone is doing. Brad Crowell 18:08  It's actually a community of people who care about each other. And we started doing it in COVID, and we just never stopped, because it's rad. Lesley Logan 18:17  Yeah. And also, to be honest, if I could record all of the OPC workouts I have to film with OPC members being there, I would do it. I would so do it. But the reality is, life happens, and we're like, oh, let's, we're moving this around. People will just be so confused. So, at any rate. But let's get into this episode. Brad Crowell 18:34  Yeah, absolutely. Lesley Logan 18:35  So, hold on. Brad Crowell 18:36  Take us away. Lesley Logan 18:37  All right. There's so many things to love, but Christine mentioned something that I really wanted to point out. She said there's something about being on the apparatus, apparatuses, the apparati, anyways, the apparatuses, the equipment that makes me feel connected inside. And I couldn't agree more, like I think it's just a fun way to get to know yourself. I think it's really difficult, because today there's this trend in the industry where everyone is over correcting all the time and cueing a lot, and so you don't always have time in your body, which is why I really appreciate how great our teachers are telling you how many reps, and giving you a rep to be by yourself, and giving you permission to change the exercise if you need to. And I think that allows you to have that connection. Brad Crowell 19:21  But what if you're doing it wrong? Lesley Logan 19:23  Oh my God, you're not gonna die. You're not gonna die. Most of the time, people doing it wrong are just doing choreography, and so they're like, this is too easy. I don't get it. That's most of it like, very rarely are people doing it so wrong they could hurt, no, no, obviously, if you're working with spring. Brad Crowell 19:38  Jay's quote here.Lesley Logan 19:40  Oh, Jay always says, "Ugly Pilates, get used to it. Dangerous Pilates, never." And so of course, we don't want you to do dangerous Pilates, but a lot of times people are doing exercises they're not ready for, that would be dangerous, so you got to be careful. But that's why I love our OPC teachers always reminding people to, that it's brave and courageous to do something else. Also, Christine mentioned that she loves taking from the other teachers, because she she actually gets different cues or different ideas or different connections from the different teachers. Because when I was picking teachers for the platform, I think it's so important, we one day, like, actually put our inseams on a list. Because we're like, well, maybe we should let all the members know what equipment we have, so that they can maybe set their equipment up, our equipment, or whatever. And then, well, should we let them know how tall we are, and then it's like, well, we're tall, but some of us have longer legs, so that we need a measure of everything. So anyways, Christine is one of our fun size teachers, and so it's really fun, because she can understand different things, even for her body, while working with the taller teachers. But I know that our members who are fun size love taking with Christine, because, like, oh, that's how Christine does it. Okay, great. So it's kind of fun. Mindi also said that she loves learning from the other teachers, but she said learning from the other teachers is one of the most important things I can do for myself and also for my own practice, because I learn something new every single time I take someone's class. And I think that that's what is so fun. Because a lot of people are like, oh, use the order. That's boring. No, it's not boring. Because if you're truly doing the workout and not wanting to be entertained, it doesn't even feel like it's something you've done before. It feels like you're having a new exploration. Because your body is different depending on what time of day you work out, depending on what you did the day before. Brad Crowell 21:17  Definitely, day to day it's different. Lesley Logan 21:18  Today, my mat class, I have my own mat workout today, slayed it. Slayed it. I was so strong. I felt so good. It's not how I always felt. So anyways, I just really appreciate that even our teachers. Brad Crowell 21:30  Hey, good job, babe. Lesley Logan 21:31  Thank you. On this Couple Appreciation.Brad Crowell 21:33  We're celebrating the national couple's day. Lesley Logan 21:35  Yes, I won't cook dinner, though, it's okay. I'll go get it. I mean, really, it would just be tater tots. I'm really good at those sweet potato ones, specifically, everyone. I really like that. With those two teachers, both mentioned how much they love learning from the other people, and I think that's what makes it so fun. Because even if you're not a teacher, just imagine how much you're going to learn. What did you love? Brad Crowell 21:57  Well, when Rachel was talking about consistency, okay, here's the thing about what Rachel was talking about that I connected to OPC, and it made me happy. When we were brainstorming OPC, we were trying to figure out, how do we compete with other platforms that have thousands and thousands of videos, and it made me think of Netflix, and it made me realize I never get to watch anything because I spent too much time trying to figure trying to figure out what to watch that by the time I'm ready to watch whatever I picked, I don't have any more time. So we said, well, how could we do that for OPC? We kept the class options small on purpose, and that really lends itself to consistency. Just being able to log in, click play and go. Another thing I thought was really interesting, and Mindi talked about this too, but Rachel only kind of realized that she's hypermobile recently, like in the last couple of years, and that, I think for me, it was blatantly obvious I've been able to bend my body like crazy. Lesley Logan 22:55  I think, but also because a lot of people think that hypermobility, you like, super hyperextend your joints and like, your elbows and your knees, but you can be hypermobile in some joints and not other joints, and it doesn't have to look extreme.Brad Crowell 23:11  Sure, you could just be hyperextending. That's still hypermobility, right, hyperextending. What's really great is that, when Rachel shared her story she was talking about everyone told her, by the time you're in your 40s, you're going to need your knees replaced, and because she was doing Pilates before going to see a doctor, now they said, hey, you've been protecting yourself by doing Pilates all these years, so you don't need a knee replacement. And that's insane. That's amazing. I love that. That's incredible. Lesley Logan 23:38  Did you know that the knee replacements are through the roof with how many people are needing today versus decades ago, and women will need them more than men. And it's actually not because of how we walk, because people in tribes don't need knee replacements. It's because we have a lack of strength balance between our hamstrings and our thighs, quads, outer hips, and so when you don't have that kind of a balance, your joints don't operate in the same way and you're demanding muscles to do support of things that need other help. And so that is why knees are not working the way. Brad Crowell 24:12  Interesting. Lesley Logan 24:12  Yeah, it's a whole thing. Do your hamstring curls on your Reformer, everyone, or if you don't have a Reformer, do your single leg kick with precision.Brad Crowell 24:20  What she said when Megan was sharing, it was really great to listen to her talk about her family, and I got really excited to hear her talk about her partner, and we know.Lesley Logan 24:30  That's because you love him. Brad Crowell 24:31  Well, his name's Adam, he's rad. But it was what I thought was so cool, was that the two are very intentional about tagging each other in tagging each other out. They've four kids, y'all. So you know, there's a lot going on all the time, yet in the chaos of just life, they still are intentional about setting aside time for themselves individually, which is when Megan gets to do her practice. And that's awesome. I think that's really great. One thing that I also really appreciated was she said she was really encouraged about how inclusive OPC is, and we're talking all forms of inclusivity here. The mix of teachers are working full time in another business, all the way to teaching Pilates full time, different sizes, shapes, bodies, color, different areas of the world, different backgrounds. Lesley Logan 25:22  And also, you know, here I am. I don't have children, so it's really easy for me to say. Brad Crowell 25:26  Right, moms know moms.Lesley Logan 25:27  You, it's really easy for me to say, be consistent. But I love that I was able to find people in our community who are also amazing teachers. Megan has four kids. Not just four kids, she's got two kids who are teenagers. And then two, well, I think a third is a teenager, one's about to be, with two special needs. Rachel talked about her son. And then Yasmin has kids. We have a few, and then Tami has a kid who, she got into college. So, like, they're all in different life paths, too. And so I really wanted. Brad Crowell 25:55  Dog moms on their runners. Lesley Logan 25:56  Yeah, single versus married. Like, I really wanted people who join OPC to see themselves in at least one teacher, if not a few teachers, like, oh, I have a full time job too. Christine and Rachel do. Not that the rest of us aren't full time guys, but, like a nine to five. There's a difference within a nine to five. Brad Crowell 26:13  They're also teaching in addition to their full time job. So, you know, so, so you're not alone. Just the diversity of all of that really does make it inclusive. There's an opportunity to see yourself in at least one of the teachers, and so we hope that you also are making that connection and enjoying that. And then when Yasmin was sharing her story, she actually talked about how damaged her body was after a career sitting at a desk, and it was causing a lot of pain for her, and she found Pilates as a, I guess, part, partly as rehab, but, but now today, that's like she's dedicated her entire life to it. She, you know, got certified, and then eventually quit her corporate job. And she said the thing that she loved the most about OPC was that it's a sense of not being alone in her home studio, which, you know, she's inherently alone, and once she can tap into OPC, she can participate in a community that's all over the world and is really supportive and encouraging. And, you know, I just love that. I think that's great. Lesley Logan 27:14  I love that she talked about construction sites. She was referring to, like, you know, we all have struggles in our bodies, and she called them construction sites. And I was like, you know, I just feel like when you learn English as a second language, there's just a better way of saying the things that you are working on it, you're putting something together, you're building something. Brad Crowell 27:30  Yeah, that was pretty cute, that was really cute.Lesley Logan 27:31  Yeah, I can't we're gonna see her in person in September.Brad Crowell 27:33  Oh, I'm very much looking forward to that. Oh, yeah, when we come to the UK. In fact, y'all, the person who is coming from the EU is Yasmin, the teacher. So come meet her. Come meet us. That'd be a lot of fun. Anyway, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into some really juicy Be It Action Items that shared from this plethora of wisdom and knowledge that we have on these OPC teachers platform. So stick around. We'll be right back. Brad Crowell 27:58  Welcome back. Let's dig into this bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted Be It Action Items from your convo with all these lovely ladies. I'm gonna jump in first here. Christine mentioned that she treats movement like snacks. And I thought that was brilliant. I thought that was such a great visual, because if you're working and you're hungry, what do you do? You reach in the drawer and you grab a Slim Jim. Maybe not Slim Jim, but you know, you grab a jerky snack.Lesley Logan 28:26  I'd go for Chomps, but they're not sponsoring this, but it's about meat. Brad Crowell 28:28  Yeah or whatever, or you grab, hopefully it's not just pure sugar, but I love the idea of treating movement like a snack. What if you just got up and did a quick lap around the office? What if you?Lesley Logan 28:39  We did a movement snack yesterday. We were kind of like head funk, and we went outside and just walked around one block. And you know what, guys, it felt great. And then you do push ups while you're waiting for your coffee. Brad Crowell 28:50  Push ups with my coffee often, if I feel sluggish, if I feel that afternoon tiredness, I will just go do a handstand against the wall, and I'm not even trying to balance. The whole goal of it is to get blood flow back into my brain. Lesley Logan 29:04  If you're thinking about your heart, it's youth, fountain of youth. Brad Crowell 29:07  Yeah. So I love this idea of thinking of it like a snack. It actually makes it even easier to go do brilliant. So, love that. Great job. Mindi talked about taking messy action. That is something that we've been saying.Lesley Logan 29:19  Something that she didn't say on this podcast, but Mindi has the entire intro memorized of the Be It Pod. So, yeah.Brad Crowell 29:25  Yeah, Mindyi's amazing, but, but taking messy action, right? How often have we talked about that here? And I love that that's something that she lives by and she thinks about all the time, because it kind of takes away the fear of whatever the thing is. It's allowed to be messy. It doesn't have to be perfect. We're not doing brain surgery here. So it doesn't have, necessarily have to be perfect the first time, right? That's not that common. So it's okay to get your feet wet, get started and figure it out as you go for most things. And I love that when it comes to movement, when it comes to Pilates, we can apply that, obviously. So, love that. Great job, Mindi. What's your biggest takeaway?Lesley Logan 30:05  Okay, we had a few. So, Rachel said don't show up for anyone else, but you. And I do love that. And I will say, if you have a hard time being selfish, then think about the problem you are going to be for the people you love, because you won't be able to go up the stairs. And then if that makes you do it, then that's great, because I really do agree with that. And I also think some people have a really hard time showing up for themselves, but I agree we all have to get to that place. You have to love yourself enough to show up for you. Megan said find a way. Find a way to prioritize self-care, movement, even just a, find a way, there's always a way. So, I agree. And then Yasmin said the root of the goal is not to be perfect in this moment and just do your workout practicing with the teacher. And I like that. So it's like, the only thing I have to work on today is being with the teacher, just moving with this class. What if you were not, like, I gotta get this teaser today, you know, so and then to find confidence in your body. And I think that's really, really sweet. And I think, you know, no one is Googling, like, how to have confidence in my body, but I do think a lot of people lack confidence in themselves. They come off very confident, and they come off very self-sufficient, and they come off as they're able to highly function and do all these amazing things, but they actually don't trust how they feel, and they don't have a mind body connection, and that's something we really want to achieve at OPC. And so here's the deal, Pilates Day is a Saturday. There's a reason why this episode is coming out this week. We wanted to celebrate this amazing holiday that's coming up that has given us an amazing career. And truly, we're doing it with the most amazing people doing this. But also we want you to do Pilates with us. A lot of you who listen and you go to an in-person studio, OPC can be the supplement. If you're only doing Reformer Pilates, you can do the mat work with us. Because if you actually want to see what, you're superly capable of. Superly capable of. Brad Crowell 31:45  I was wondering what word that was. Lesley Logan 31:47  I like it. Superly capable of. Brad Crowell 31:48  Superly capable of. Lesley Logan 31:49  It's like now there's a ring to it.Brad Crowell 31:50  Let's all be superbly capable of.Lesley Logan 31:53  Superbly capable of, you know, you need to get on the mat. It is hard, and if it's easy, you're not doing it right, which is why you have to join OPC so we can, actually, can submit a video of you doing an exercise, and I can tell you like, oh, actually, your feet go here, or this goes here. So, you guys, go to onlinepilatesclasses.com and join us. You can join us for 40 days for $40 and you get to take classes from these amazing people, and Tami, and you can be part of this amazing community. You heard him. Brad Crowell 32:20  And Lesley. Lesley Logan 32:21  And me, I'm teaching. I teach 40% of the classes. I'm like, every other week. You don't get away from me. Also, feel like I won't use it. I know me. No, we have accountability. We take classes away so you do show up for you. And you can help, you can find people in the community that will hold you accountable. You go, okay, I'm gonna do it on Tuesday who wants to do it with me? Brad Crowell 32:38  Look, I just want to say we are all doing Pilates, right? But at OPC, we actually have a process, okay, and that process includes our big three. We call them the three C's, consistency, community and connection, right? And we help you follow our process, which helps you maintain that consistency. Lesley Logan 32:59  Well, when we created this, and Brad's like I want to do this, I said, well, I love what people experience when they go take class together. I really love that there's that I've got to show up because the class is at x time and I'm going to see x people. Like, I love that, right? But if you miss that class, then you like, might go a week before you get to take class again. And I hate that. And so it's like, how can I have the accountability of an in-person class and the community of in-person, but the accessibility of a chaotic life. And so that is why every single Tuesday, a new class drops, an old class goes away, and you have access to that new class for two weeks. So there's always a couple to choose from. So if you're like, I didn't really understand that teacher, you don't have to worry about it. There's another teacher's classes up there. So it's really great. And you get to, when you say, I took class, I took Hippy Ki-Yay, people know what you're talking about, because they're all taking Hippy Ki-Yay, no one is like, oh my God, from five years ago. I just want to say this community.Brad Crowell 33:52  That's what makes this community really fun is because when people like, oh, I finally got the roll up when so and so is teaching. You know what they're talking about, because you're taking the same class as them and you're like, oh, yeah, that was the moment. So it really brings people together. And all that was by design, and we're really proud of that, because when people follow the process, they win. You win, and we want that for you. Lesley Logan 34:14  Just go to onlinepilatesclasses.com. Check it out. Sign up for the trial membership and get into the community. Send me a video.Brad Crowell 34:21  Join us for live class. Lesley Logan 34:22  You know, if you love this podcast, you're gonna love the community, I promise you that. And then the OPC app, which is for you, you can listen to this podcast, you can see tutorials, and you can communicate in the community. So Bayon is really excited for you to join us too, if you heard that from the way, way back of this house. And until next time loves, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 34:42  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 34:44  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. 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This community-centered episode features real stories from five OPC teachers who integrate Pilates into their lives while managing careers, parenting, and personal challenges. Lesley Logan is joined by Mindi Westfall, Rachel Piper, Christine Kam-Lynch, Megan Lauman, and Yasmin Scholten to share how Pilates helped them reclaim time, build strength, and stay grounded. Their journeys reveal just how accessible and empowering consistent movement can be. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Why OPC was built to be inclusive and community-driven.How each teacher found Pilates and what made them stick with it.The unexpected ways Pilates supports parenting and mental health. Why you don't need a full hour or fancy gear to build your strength.How the OPC teachers show up as both students and leaders.Episode References/Links:Meet the OPC Teachers - https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/teachersOPC on Instagram - https://instagram.com/opc.pilatesMindi Westfall - https://instagram.com/bendymindipilatesRachel Piper - https://instagram.com/size_diverse_pilatesChristine Kam-Lynch - https://instagram.com/pilates.boundMegan Lauman - https://instagram.com/megans_pilatesYasmin Scholten - https://instagram.com/purapilates_yasminGuest Bio:This powerhouse panel of Pilates teachers—Christine Kam-Lynch, Megan Lauman, Mindi Westfall, Rachel Piper, and Yasmin Scholten—brings a vibrant mix of passion, precision, and personality to the practice. Christine, a third-generation teacher and tech program manager, fuses straight-shooting cues with contagious joy. Megan blends classical roots with modern training to inspire confidence and consistency in movement. Mindi draws from her sports and injury recovery background to help others find relief and strength through Pilates. Rachel, founder of Size Diverse Pilates, champions inclusivity and creates welcoming spaces for every body, especially those who've felt unseen. Yasmin, a former economist turned studio owner in Germany, brings a global perspective and an uplifting spirit to her classes. Collectively, they represent the evolving heart of Pilates—meeting people where they are and helping them move with purpose, pride, and playfulness. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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What I mean by inclusive is we're not expecting everybody's body to do the same thing. We're just honest, real and inclusive. It's inviting for everybody.Lesley Logan 0:10  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:53  Hey, Be It babe. You know, you might not know this. You probably hear about OPC all the time, but you probably have never like heard the people who are part of OPC, and so I wanted to take some time to share some of the OPC teachers with you. One, it's an excuse for all of us to get together. And two, more importantly, I think it's really important for us all to hear people who are like us and the journey that they went on. You probably know how important Pilates is to me. It really is how I be it till I see it every single day, like, the time that I am doing in my Pilates practice is how I can tell where I am in my life and how I'm feeling about myself and what's going on. And when I created OPC, it was so you could too. Just so we're on the same page, onlinepilatesclasses.com equals OPC. You'll hear different terms in this interview with the different teachers, and one of those is FFF, Form Feedback Fridays, and that's just us giving feedback to our members. And you'll hear about the live classes that we have, and you'll hear about the accountability in the community that we have. But the goal here is, you could hear a person who's got a job like yours, or similar to yours, or a life like yours. You know, when I created OPC, it was just me, but the goal was not always just me, and as I added teachers from our community, we have something very similar, but also we're very different, whether it was height or age or body type or lifestyle, or where we live in the world, or the journey that we've come on. I could have talked to each one of these teachers for an hour on their own. So, you know, if you like this episode and you have more questions for these teachers, let me know, and I'll bring them back on. We are missing Tami. Our schedules didn't align. It's kind of hard to get seven busy women with, I don't know six different time zones together, but we'll bring Tami on for her own special episode, of course. Together, all seven of us teachers are, there's seven including me, have over 8 or something years of teaching experience. And, so know that you are in good hands, and know that we don't ever expect you to aspire to look like us in any exercise. We only want you to be you. And I couldn't think of a better group of people to talk about being it till you see it, than just these women who had a whole life before they found Pilates, and they're living these busy lives now, and they're prioritizing that. So here is several of the OPC teachers, Mindy, Rachel, Christine, Yasmin and Megan. And I really hope you enjoy this. And if you have friends who've been thinking about Pilates and wanting to try it out or have extra accessibility, I hope that they take a look at OPC. There you go. Lesley Logan 3:42  All right, Be It babe, I am, I've got a party for you. It's an actual, true party. I'm not gonna lie. And we have a lot of different voices on here. So if you're hearing a bunch of women like talk with each other, join us in your car, at your coffee shop, on your walk, just like talk out, talk out loud with us. We'd have the conversation with us. Today, I'm joined by many of the OPC teachers, not all of the OPC teachers, and we thought it'd be really fun. One, we never can get together, all of us with our time zones. And you'll hear we're missing a brilliant voice in this conversation. So I'll have to have Tami on another day, but you'll hear the voices of these different teachers. And so we'll start off. I'm just gonna call people out for their introductions, and they're like freaking out right now, but okay, I'll tell you all who's here. We have Mindi Westfall. We have Yasmin Scholten. We have Rachel Piper. We have Megan Lauman. We have Christine Kam-Lynch and Tami-Adrian is in our hearts and our souls always. These are the amazing OPC teachers. Christine, I'm gonna call on you first. I'm so sorry, but you're, you are probably really good with a PowerPoint and so you probably have a good way of introducing yourself. Can you tell everyone a little bit about who you are, what you rock at, how did you get into Pilates?Christine Kam-Lynch 4:52  Yeah, Hi, I'm Christine Kam-Lynch, and teaching Pilates is actually a second job for me. Surprise, surprise. I am actually a technology program manager working in IT space and security. So really, techy nerd in some ways, or at least working with a lot of people that I work, I bring together. Sorry, LL, I already forgot your question.Lesley Logan 5:15  Just how you got into Pilates, but I love that you, what I'm so excited about, you guys is, if you hear her, she's like a total tech nerd, like one of the big ones. And I also say her last name wrong all the time, it's Kam-Lynch, not Cam-Lynch. So, noted. Okay, how did you get into Pilates, though? Also, I just want to say, if you're not watching the YouTube video of this, Christina is one of our fun size teachers. So I think that's important to bring up because.Christine Kam-Lynch 5:20  I'm standing right now.Lesley Logan 5:43  No, you're not. No, she's not. But maybe, how tall are you and how did you get into Pilates? Christine Kam-Lynch 5:50  I am five feet, and I practiced Pilates to stay at five feet. How did I get into Pilates? You know, when I moved to California from the East Coast, I saw a lot of people doing things, and I don't think you really see that on the East Coast. I think we're, like, all bundled up a lot because it's cold half a year that I don't think I paid attention. And so moving out here, I tried, like, everything, a lot of people do yoga out here and Pilates is just one of those looking into a studio space, like, what are all those toys in there? Like, I want to play on this playground. That's how I discovered it. And there's something about being on the apparatuses that makes me feel connected inside that I would hear words, but I don't understand the words. I'm like, okay, maybe one of these days it'll make sense and something will click. Well, the click happened on the apparatuses. And so that was my journey from like, one day a week to two days a week to three days a week to four days a week. And then my husband was like, oh my God, what is happening? I'm like, all the good things. All the good things has happened. Fast forward, I don't know, maybe 10 years later, the program was set up in a way that I could do teaching. The first part was mat and I finished thinking, I'll just teach mat, because that's about like all I can wrap my head around. And what's funny is that all of my students, my guinea pigs, who all helped me, had asked me, what's that over there in the studio? When do we get to go there? And I'm like, oh, crap, I didn't think that far ahead. I guess, I guess I need to continue the training program and so I did.Lesley Logan 6:14  I love that that's so cool. I love that their curiosity helped you go do more things because you're so good at what you do. We're gonna talk more about you, for sure. But I want to go to the other spectrum. And I can't decide if it's Mindi or Rachel. So Mindi's hair is taller than Rachel's so it will be Mindi first and then Rachel, as far as height goes on our teaching team. Mindi tell everyone who you are and what brought you into Pilates? Mindi Westfall 8:12  Yes, so I'm Mindi Westfall, and if you're out in Instagram world, I'm Bendy Mindi Pilates. So that actually tells a little bit about my Pilates journey, because I am hyper mobile and super bendy. So Pilates has helped me find my strength and my flexibility. But I actually started, oh gosh, I got on my first reformer in like 2005 because my mom was doing Pilates after she retired from teaching PE and she called me and was like, you have to try this. And I was like, well, at the time, I was living in Oregon, working at Nike, and Nike has state of the art facilities, and of course, they had a Pilates studio. So I went in and was like, alright, how do I get on one of those? Christine was like, what's that? You know. So took a couple classes there, and I was like, this is amazing. So after my Nike journey, I went back home to the St Louis area and went to the same studio my mom was going to and just really fell in love all over again. And at the time, I had some back issues, a bulging disc, and so I went through and did Pilates and tried to fix it, and unfortunately, it was only fixable with surgery. So I did a micro dissectomy and fixed the disc, and my orthopedic surgeon went to the same Pilates studio, and so he was like, okay, so you just need to go to Mary and continue your Pilates, and you'll be good to go. And I literally was out of pain and back into strengthening pretty quickly. And so that was just the journey of why Pilates was good for my body. I'm a former athlete. I'm 5'11" so I played volleyball in college. And wear and tear on my body, I really wish I would have had Pilates when I was playing, because I think it would have helped, and maybe I wouldn't have had so many things happening. But from there, I just kept doing Pilates, and then in 2019 I got my certification. So probably 2018 I'm trying to do mat in my head. But for my 40th birthday, my parents bought me Teacher Training Program. Lesley Logan 10:17  What a cool gift. Those are great. But we love your parents anyways, but those are so great. And I agree, like, I think if I got to take a stab at my running career after Pilates, and I got, not only I got five more years out of that career, I actually won races, which I never did pre-Pilates, pre-retirement. And so I thought it was pretty cool that, like, I could come out of retirement and be better than I was. So I do credit. I think everyone should do it if they're doing sports. Okay, so, Rachel Piper, is Mindi taller than you? Are you the same height? What are we?Rachel Piper 10:46  She's taller than I am. I'm 5'9".Lesley Logan 10:51  Oh, we're the same height. You feel taller to me. Okay, well, you feel taller to me. Anyways. Rachel Piper 10:57  Well, I have a presence. Lesley Logan 10:58  That's so true. It's so true. Rachel, how did you get into Pilates? Because you're like Christine, you live a whole other life during the daytime. Rachel Piper 11:07  Yeah, I feel like we, there are so many similarities between all of us. So I'm in biotech, that's my day job, and I was also a three sport athlete in high school and in college, and I'm also hyper mobile, but I didn't actually know that until about two years ago. And that's kind of a big thing for me. I went looking for yoga because my kiddo was about six years old and I was having trouble getting up off the floor. My knees hurt. Everyone I talked to said you're probably going to need new knees by the time you're 40. And let me tell you, with Pilates, now 46, and I do not need new knees. Okay, like that fixed me. But it's that consistency around Pilates that really, really helps. And like I said, it wasn't until maybe 18 months or two years ago that I actually realized that I was hyper mobile, and when I went in, they gave me a list of things like, Oh, this is what you can do for this. And you're also already doing it, so you're already sort of been fixing yourself for all these years, which I think is just a great testament to the entire Pilates method, yeah, but my journey was, I was a complete and total mat rat when I first started Pilates. Lesley Logan 12:25  Yes, but we should all take up space for the mat rats, because now no one wants to be a mat rat. Rachel Piper 12:30  I honestly don't get it, and teaching people how to teach mat is like, one of my favorite things to do. Like, honestly, I'm like, everyone should be on the mat. There are all of these opportunities for props. I know we'll talk about that later, but I was a mat rat. I did the teacher training, and I was like, I think maybe I'm just going to do this for myself, because I'm a nerd, you know, I'm in biotech. Pilates nerd as well. So I think I'm just going to do the mat teacher training and just for me, so that I understand what the heck has been going on and how this has changed my body. And then the next thing I know, I have a Reformer Tower, a Chair, like all the things, and I've made it through training. Lesley Logan 13:11  There's like, the addiction is real, and also, like, totally fine, because some people, they have other, they're like knitters, or they're into Beanie Babies or whatever, right? And we're like, no, I'm just gonna buy a piece of equipment that will last my lifetime, you know, it's a great investment. Christine Kam-Lynch 13:27  And beyond. Lesley Logan 13:28  And beyond, and beyond. It will be here. Right, right. You're totally right, Christine, because one of my girlfriends, unfortunately, her mentor passed, and all of that equipment is now living on 40 years later with other people. So there it is. Okay, more to chat with Rachel, but of course, we're gonna go to Megan, and then we'll go international to Yasmeen. So Megan, tell us everything about you.Megan Lauman 13:48  Everything? Lesley Logan 13:49  No, at least just your Pilates journey. Megan Lauman 13:51  Okay, well, I'm Megan, and I'm in the middle of the United States, in St Louis. I'm a mother of four. And so for me, it was looking for the thing that gives me some time for me so I could be the best mom I could be. And that became running like the minute my first was born. So I've been a runner for 18 years now, and so I ran and ran and ran, and that was like the time that I could breathe. And then suddenly my hips were hurting and my knees were hurting, and I was seeing the chiropractor, and I was seeing a physical therapist, and whatever I could do to feel well. And then I stumbled upon a YouTube video of mat Pilates, and also became a mat rat. So I would, became obsessed with mat, and I was like, there's no reason to go to physical therapy. I'm doing the same things here on the mat that they were having me do, only I loved it, and I felt so good. And so that became another moment for me. So added Pilates to that practice, and I did mat practice for about five years before I even knew that anything else existed. So just mat, loved i, still do, it's my favorite. Yeah. And then, yes, I did that for about five years before I looked into what else there was, and then became a Pilates instructor from there. And now my front room of the house is a Pilates studio, and yes, collect all the things. That's what we do.Lesley Logan 15:19  Sounds about right. Sounds about, you know, my living room and guest bedroom and office has Pilates equipment in now so, you know. All right, we gotta go all the way across the pond, all the way into Germany to talk to Yasmin. Yasmin, tell us who you are.Yasmin Scholten 15:35  Yeah. Hi, I'm Yasmin, and I'm from Germany. This is in Europe, center of Europe, and that's the country Joe Pilates is coming from originally, so, yeah, so, but it's not the country the Pilates is very famous, or was very famous. So I started with 18, with fitness. So I was a group fitness instructor with 18. So this was my teaching beginning, and I financed my Tourism Management study with teaching a lot.Lesley Logan 16:11  You were already in fitness, you were just teaching other fitness, and then you're like, I'm gonna go to school. Yasmin Scholten 16:17  Pilates was not really famous. I teach step aerobics, everything, shaping classes, whatever. Teached everything. And I had wonderful. Lesley Logan 16:28  Yasmin, do you know how to say left, but go right? Do you have that skill? Yasmin Scholten 16:32  Oh, I, yeah, it took a long time to learn, but yeah, I got it one day. Lesley Logan 16:39  That impresses me so much. Yasmin Scholten 16:41  Also with the music, rhythm and the music. So count for four. It took a time, but yeah, I got it. I still love to dance. So I also have this dance aerobic instructor who also introduced me to Pilates. She was also a Pilates instructor, and I asked her what do you think is the future of fitness? And she told me, a small Pilates studio with equipment. She told me I was, I don't know, 20, so it's a long time ago. So I finished my studies, and yeah, and then I tried Pilates because I had a lot of tension in neck and back because of sitting too much in my office job a lot, and I went to my first Pilates class there. I wasn't teaching anymore anything about fitness or anything else, but I went to my first class, and I really felt so good after this mat class, and I had a wonderful teacher there. And, yeah, she recommended me one day. Why not doing a training program? And she also recommended me doing I didn't know anything about classical or contemporary. I didn't know anything about it. I just loved the mat class, and she bought a Reformer one day, and I tried this, and I was totally, I don't know, I fell in love with equipment too, so just a Reformer, but it was wonderful. And then, yeah, I did the training program, and then I started to teach in her studio together with my full time job, yeah, that was hard, but it was so fun teaching. I loved it, really. And then I decided to move to my hometown, so it's a little small town near Munich, and I opened my home studio there, and I quit my job. It was really a good paid job, but I thought, yeah, that's what I want to do. And yeah, everybody told me, oh no, you are crazy. You are crazy. It's a small town. Nobody knows anything about Pilates. Lesley Logan 18:54  But I think that's sometimes the best thing, because then you get to be the one, yeah.Yasmin Scholten 18:58  And I'm still the only one in surrounding so there are no other Pilates studios. So I'm really lucky. The next one is in Munich, and yeah, they are coming and loving the equipment. So I really love the equipment too, but I'm also a mat rat. I don't know this one. Mat rat, I love it.Lesley Logan 19:18  I know I feel like we need to rename the animal, though, you guys, I don't think anybody really, I mean, you know, maybe, the mat rat, or maybe we're just giving rats a better name. I too, like, I only knew the mat for years. I thought the equipment was weird. I was like, who needs to be on that? The mat is so good. Why would we do that? It's also, like, I don't have the money. So I was like, that's so expensive. Why would anyone do that when you could just do the mat work? And then when I moved to L.A., the woman kept putting me on the Reformer, and I did long stretch for the first time, and thought I was gonna fly off the Reformer. I thought I was just gonna get shot up like a cannon. I was like, I don't like this at all. I don't feel safe. I don't think this is good. So, and it took me a really long time to, like, get on board with the equipment. Lesley Logan 20:01  Okay. So we have Mindy, Megan, myself, and Tami, and Yasmin, full time Pilates teachers, and then Rachel and Christine, you guys save the world. And then you teach Pilates on the side. Is that what's going on? Okay. And then, yeah, I like that. I mean, Christine's doing securities and tech, and you're doing biotech. So to me those are the two things that save the world right now. And then we have Yasmin, Rachel, Megan and Tami who've got the kiddos. I think Megan wins with four, because Yasmin, you have two? Yasmin Scholten 20:34  Two, yeah, two boys. Lesley Logan 20:36  Yeah. And then Rachel and Tami each have one, unless I've forgotten a child. Okay, so I just want to say that, because I know people are listening, and it's important to put in context, like, every single one of these people got into Pilates for something that they needed, and they got joy out of it, and also it made them a better person around the people that they love and care about. I mean, Christine's husband was wondering where all this stuff was coming from, but I think he's on board now. Lesley Logan 21:01  Okay, so I want to take a few of you, and you guys can chime in if I don't call you out. But like, what got you wanting to even look at OPC? Because obviously we all fell in love with in-person Pilates. And I think there's a lot of people, like, I just had someone here at the house. I was just teaching in-person. They were visiting from the Ukraine, and they're like, so you teach people on the computer, like, how do you know if they're doing it right? And I was like, well, that's kind of my job to know if you're doing it right. But I can understand that question, you know, if you don't experience online, so I'll go with Mindi, Christine and Rachel on this one. How did you kind of like stumble upon OPC? And what did you think about doing Pilates online?Mindi Westfall 21:37  I'm not the mat rat. I didn't know much about the mat until I started doing my training and then following people on Instagram, following Lesley, and she was doing an in-person class in Denver, and I was like, I'm gonna go to that. Lesley Logan 21:53  Oh, yeah, no, I bug, I like slid into your DMS. Okay, so this is how do you all wanna know how many I met? She commented on something, and it was during the time of the first ever OPC Pop Up Tour, and we were trying to sell out locations. And so I was in the habit of every comment I got I literally stalked them and looked up where they're from, and it said Denver. And so I DMed her, I said, hey, I'm teaching a class in Denver, and you should come. You guys, it was like across town on a Monday night, and she fucking did it. So that's how we met. And it was a mat class, so she had to do mat. Mindi Westfall 22:22  So at that point, I was like, okay, I need this in my life. And you guys were talking about OPC, and I was like, oh, this would be great, because I can have someone else teach me, and I had been following you and all of that. So OPC was just a way for me to get my own workout in while teaching and trying to figure this out. And I mean, I was teaching a lot in the beginning, because that's what we do. And then I was like, okay, I need this time for myself. Plus I just wanted more of your knowledge, because I didn't know a lot at that point. So the mat was really the part that I wanted the access to on OPC, because I didn't have access to that where I was, so. Lesley Logan 23:07  A lot of people don't teach mat. And so the mat at OPC is like a great supplement if you're going to a studio, yeah. Mindi Westfall 23:12  Absolutely, yup. Lesley Logan 23:14  All right, Christine, you're up. How did, how did we, like, we knew each other, though? How do we find each other?Christine Kam-Lynch 23:20  This is gonna sound really odd. Lesley Logan 23:22  How did you get into my life?Christine Kam-Lynch 23:23  I know. So, I wasn't on social media. I'm barely on it now, but my dog is on social media, and somehow you got into his feed through Profitable Pilates. Lesley Logan 23:41  Oh, it wasn't even an ad, by the way. We weren't even paying for ads. No, this is like straight up true algorithm making sure we met, yes. Christine Kam-Lynch 23:47  Yes, which timed well, because I was having my home studio at the time, and I had three questions, and I'm like, where do I go for these questions? And your poster, I don't know, I don't think reels were big back then, that's how old I am, but it was a post, and I was like, oh, she could have my answers for me. And so I slid into your DMs, because I remember asking a friend, like, how do I contact her? And she's like, oh, you DM her. And I'm like, what? So she showed me. And I was like, oh, great, thank you. And so, yeah, I wrote to you, and so you gave OPC as part of our Profitable Pilates agency membership. Lesley Logan 24:39  Oh, so we just forced you into it. Christine Kam-Lynch 24:41  Yes, basically. I was like, this is free? Okay, I would give it a try. And I was like, oh, I love this.Lesley Logan 24:49  I love it. That's so funny. We kind of forced you in, you know what? Sometimes that's the best time. All right, Rachel, how did you find OPC?Rachel Piper 24:57  I feel like it was really, really odd, if I remember correctly. There was someone on Instagram that I was supporting because she made size inclusive clothing with Pilates. Her name's Maria, and she was hosting, like an OPC leader, something. Lesley Logan 25:12  Yeah, oh, okay. That was. Okay, so in 2020, we had like community leaders, because everybody was at home and everyone was stuck, and so we would do pop ups, but live Zoom classes on the mat, but just for that person's people. It was city-based, but obviously not and so it was our first those were our first affiliates. And so she loved us. We love Maria. Shout out to The Movement Shop. And so you, you came to the the Minneapolis, Zoom class. Rachel Piper 25:42  Yeah, I came to the Zoom class. And I think I followed you on Instagram or whatever, but I didn't really know what was going on with Instagram, other than I was trying to support her. So I went, and afterwards, we chatted, and Brad was there, and I was like, oh, these people are fun. And you asked me, like, a whole bunch of questions. And it was, like, really interactive. And then after that, it was just like, we kept commenting on each other's posts and things like that, and the next thing I knew, you were asking me to be a teacher. And I was like, how did this even happen? You know what I mean? It was pretty interesting. But I love the classes, so I did sign up for OPC after that. But we have a ton of mat classes. We had a ton of that classes at my studio, but they were all 50 minutes long, and I was like, I just want a pinch of mat, but also because I could do it on my own, but if I do it on my own, then maybe I'll cheat a little here or there. And I love a good theme. I think we all know I love themes. I love writing descriptions for themes. Christine Kam-Lynch 26:40  Yeah, you have the best names, Rachel, you come up with the best names. Lesley Logan 26:44  At OPC, we know, it was like Katie Donnelly, and it might have been Christine who is like, when you hear OPC does anyone go, yeah, you know me. And we discovered that all of the members are kind of like elder millennial Gen Xers who just really love 90s hip hop. Then we, like, just really got into themes. And Rachel is definitely the go to because some people on the team don't really love naming things and coming up with themes. And it's like Rachel and Christine, the two of them will just come and Megan can just come up with themes. So just give them, give them to Mindi.Rachel Piper 27:14  I do. I send some of them to Mindi. I swear, still my favorite one that I ever came up with, and I still giggle out, is Hippy Ki-Yay Mat and Reformer. Yeah, they're, like, one of my favorite ones. Oh my gosh, we just need to, like, bring that back because. Lesley Logan 27:32  You should bring it back. Rachel Piper 27:33  It was an awesome theme. If anyone remembers the circle bands, we put the circle bands on our thighs, and we never took it off for class. And I was like, maybe don't use, like a heavy band, everyone.Christine Kam-Lynch 27:46  I did. I did not listen to you. I did and I regretted it. It's important.Lesley Logan 27:54  I do recall that. So Megan, I know how she won a year of OPC, if I recall our history together. I think the better question maybe is why did you stick around at OPC? Most people win things, and it's free, and they don't use it, but you used it. So what was it about OPC that made you go, this is my place, that I'm going to use this gift? Megan Lauman 28:18  Yeah, well, kind of similar to Mindi. I mean, when I originally found you was online with YouTube videos like teaching exercises, because I was a teacher in training, and I was like, how do I soak in more knowledge when I'm on a walk? How can I just learn while I'm walking or while I'm driving? I could just listen. And so that's how I found you. Loved the tutorials. And then one free year, I kind of like to go all in. Like, a lot of us Pilates people, we don't, like, we really just do it that's why we all have so much equipment, right? So, yeah, I went all in. I'm like, I'm not missing a class. I'm getting everything out of this that I could possibly get out of this.Lesley Logan 29:00  Like, the value of a year of OPC is, like, 1400 and something dollars. I'm telling you, you guys, Megan was at every live class she took every, now they're 45 minutes, and every 30 minutes, and how I got to know you is because of you asked all these questions and you participated in the community. I was like, yes, I'm so glad this person won, because you were the most deserving to win.Megan Lauman 29:21  The Form Feedback Fridays, I definitely took advantage of that, because the I was a new Pilates instructor, right? And so I'm looking at everyone, but have no one looking at me and so it was just such a huge bonus to have someone able to look at me and give some feedback.Lesley Logan 29:36  That's one of my favorite things that I wish people took advantage of more. And it's really funny, because I've had a couple people go, can I send my clients' videos in? And I'm like, no, because OPC is a safe place for your practice, and your practice the more curious you are, even if your body type is different than your clients, because all the teachers body types are so different, you're going to learn what you need to learn. And so the Form Feedback Fridays, you guys, it's really like, you send a video in if you're an OPC member, if you do an exercise, and then I can give feedback. And my goal is that we get so many of these that I have to hire the OPC teachers to help me. And so people are like, I don't want to take up her time, as if I don't know how to manage it, so take up my time OPC members and send it in, because it's one of the things that no other on demand platform does. No one does. Not a single fitness company out there makes sure, except for they're like, oh, put this suit on, and these little sensors will tell you you're doing it correctly or not. That's not actually how Pilates work. Your body is very different. So Megan, we love that you took full advantage of the favorite parts of OPC and all that you did. Yasmin, you've been with us for a long time, and you've been doing Pilates probably longer than all of us, maybe, maybe, maybe as long as Christine. What's your favorite part about OPC that makes you want to do it, and even wanted to teach about it? Yasmin Scholten 30:50  I would say I found you. You did this Struggle is Real with Andrea Maida and I love this, this Struggle is Real because, yeah, we all have these construction sites, I say, in our bodies, also we as a teacher, and I love to go through this. And this is the same with OPC, I would say. You gain more self-confidence in your body because you're following these teachers who also have these struggles in their bodies. And they give you approach of their method to help you with these struggles. And I really love this about OPC, and also I'm often really overwhelmed and over-stimulated with studio and being mom and family, and I don't want to scroll through hundreds of classes to find this for this day. I don't know what I need. I just want to move. Yeah. Lesley Logan 31:45  Yeah. Well, that was my goal. I used to ask people, why do you not use the membership that you have? And they were like, it's too many. It's like, Netflix. It's like, do you know for the fifth time, Brad and I are watching Schitt's Creek right now, it's not like there's not a new show out there. I know that there's a new season of White Lotus out, and I haven't even switched over because I'm still finishing the fifth round through Schitt's Creek, because you want to know what, I know where it is. I know how to find it, you know, like, so, you know, people were telling me they weren't using it, and I was like, how do I create something that people have accountability for, but also feels like you're at the studio, but doesn't have the distractions or the expenses of the studio, but also all that. So thank you for, thank you for sharing that. And we love, we love Pilates Andrea. Megan, you know, and this goes for, not that Christine and Mindi and I can't talk to what it's like to be busy, you have four kids, and you talked about how running was your thing. How do you prioritize, and you know, if you ask me, and Rachel want to jump in, as a busy mom of kids who need you, your practice, because it would be so easy for you to have an excuse to not.Megan Lauman 32:47  Oh, yeah. I should mention that two of my children have special needs as well, so there's a little bit more time consumed in them. My youngest is 12 and he has autism. He's nonverbal. He functions like an 18 month old, so he does require a lot of attention when he's around. So I do have the best partner in the world. My husband's amazing and we both believe that we need time for ourselves. And so we tag each other in. And of course, we do a lot of the work together, which makes it fun, but we do tag each other into and so having someone that knew what's important to me in making sure that I get that time is just really valuable. Yeah. So it started when my youngest was born and went with running, and it would just be like, maybe it was a nap time, and my husband was working from home, and I could get out for, you know, my first run was a mile and a half. I thought I was gonna die, right? And then I'm thinking back to when they got a little bit older, and I was doing Pilates, and I would just tell them all to work together, and I would turn on a video, and I'd find like a quiet space in the front room, which is now my Pilates studio, and my kids would be in the other room so I could hear what's going on. I knew that they were there, but I had my own space, and the kids would work together and give me, maybe it was 10 minutes, or maybe I got a whole hour that day, but I made it a priority. And you know, I'm thinking back to that time specifically. I would schedule that in in the morning, and they knew at nine o'clock, this is what mom was going to do. We set that expectation. And like I said, sometimes it was shorter than others, but scheduling and making sure I had that time for me.Lesley Logan 34:25  Yeah, thank you for sharing, because I think so many people take on that full responsibility, and maybe they don't have the same amazing partner we know, and we shout out to him. We love him. But also, I think sometimes people aren't asking for help either. We assume people will meet our needs without us verbalizing it as well. So I love that you guys tag in.Megan Lauman 34:46  You can live in this world where you're like, I don't ever get time for myself, and I realize you're not really winning any points for doing that. I have it worse than you isn't winning any points. So let's just make the best of it. And sometimes it's eight o'clock at night before I would get a workout in, but I knew I'd feel better and I'd sleep better if I did it, and sometimes just waking up early or fitting it in there in the day, but figuring out that time for you, I think, is very important. Lesley Logan 35:10  I love that. Rachel or Yasmin, do you have anything to add? Like, on how with kiddos? And I think, Yasmin, your kids are quite young still.Yasmin Scholten 35:20  Yeah, they are eight and 11 and yeah, they need mom a lot. I don't want to lie. It's sometimes hard, really, but they know since, since they are really small, this is a part of my life. So if I don't do Pilates, I get pain, I'm in bad mood, I get a lot of stress, so they know all. So I have also the best partner in the world, and he knows. Often he says, okay, go, go do your workout, and then we will do the rest. So yeah, it is really important to make yourself the priority. It's not easy. With all these we all have so much to do. The day is too short, I guess. So it is important to prioritize, because if not, I get pain, really, I get pain and a bad mood.Lesley Logan 36:17  Yeah, and I don't think people recognize that that pain and bad mood doesn't make you the mom or partner or coworker or friend or sister that you want to be. Then you end up spending time apologizing for being in a bad mood and being in pain and for what you said while you were in a bad mood and in pain, and that just wastes more time that you could spend with yourself. Yasmin Scholten 36:37  Yeah, that's true. Rachel Piper 36:38  The only thing that I have to add is I also have a 12 and a half year old, and he's also autistic, and he's got some other fun flavors going on, like ADHD, which kind of sends him flying off the walls. So finding time to just be in my own space where it's quiet is really, really important. And since I started when he was relatively young, I let him kind of play around with me, or next to me, and then from there, he just understood it's something I do. And now, as he's gotten older, for almost the last year, we've started doing an activity together. So we started taekwondo. If you look at my socials, we did rock climbing yesterday, and that was the first time I'd actually rock climb, but. Lesley Logan 37:21  So cool. Rachel Piper 37:22  He's done it like one other time, and we did it together, and he's very cool about that. He's not quite in the place where he wants to do Pilates with me, but we can do these other things together. And I just want people to know that even if it's 10 minutes or 15 minutes where you can just get on the mat, it helps you do everything else better. There's no way that I could do taekwondo the way that I do it, or just, okay, I'm just gonna scale this wall without training at all, without Pilates. Lesley Logan 37:52  Rachel, I couldn't agree more, because, like, I rock climbed with Brad a couple years ago. I was like, that'll be our hobby together. And to be honest, it's just not close enough to our house for either of us to be able to prioritize it. But, there's no way. There's not a part of me that is a rock climber, except for that I've really long legs, have me pretty strong and has flexibility in my hips. That kind of helps, but nothing else. If it wasn't for Pilates, I wouldn't know how to use my arm and my leg opposite at the same time. Yeah, for sure. But I just have this, are you the only adult in your taekwondo class? Is it all the kids? And like, is it an adult taekwondo class? Is it all the moms?Rachel Piper 38:27  No, it's actually a mix. And it's like the most inclusive place you could find, which is great. There are a ton of neurodivergent people. Lesley Logan 38:36  I love it. Rachel Piper 38:36  And we all take class together. So there are parents of adults, there's adults, there's kids that come on their own, and it's like a super safe place for Alex in this particular dojang, which has made him come out of his shell. So yesterday, he was like, leading me all over the place, like, okay, you do that one and I'll do the one right next to you for rock climbing. It's really helped him come out of his shell. cLesley Logan 38:58  I saw his smile. I saw his smile on something on your post. And I was like, I have not seen that kid smile so big. So it's really cool. Okay, this is, like, not even long enough. We could talk forever. But I want to go into two parts, Be It Action Items. We can't leave an episode without a Be It Action Item. And the thing that makes you actually take class on OPC, because here's the thing, guys, these are all teachers of OPC, except for Tami. We're missing her. They could so easily just film and take the money and run but I also know that they take each other's classes, so I would love to know why they actually do that, like what their favorite part about OPC is. So we'll go with Mindi and then Christine.Mindi Westfall 39:36  So for me, it's constantly learning, right? Learning from other teachers, I think is one of the most important things I can do for myself, teaching my clients, and then also for my own practice, because I learn something new every single time I take someone's class. So that's really important to me. So my Be It Action is actually from Lesley. So, in Agency, the business group, it's take messy action. But I also put that into my own practice, because not every single class, every single exercise, is ever going to be what you want it to be, and you have to take messy action in your own practice and be like, well, that was okay today, but I got to move or whatever it is, like, it doesn't have to be perfect, it doesn't have to feel perfect. Movement is the most important part. And just do it. And no matter what it looks like, what it feels like, at least you're moving your body.Lesley Logan 40:39  I love that. I love how you applied that. Christine, favorite thing and a Be It Action Item. Christine Kam-Lynch 40:44  Similar to Mindi. I think, I think we're all relatively students of life, cannot stop learning. So, I actually love hearing the different cues from different teachers, because sometimes that, like, lands differently depending on the day with me. And sometimes I can actually take that and apply it to, you know, a client of mine, if my words are not working, it's like osmosis or something, that I can be like, oh, how about this? Will this work? That's really fun to try and experiment with. My Be It Action Item is I started treating movement like snacks throughout the day. And I think sometimes we we get tied to a time, like I have to work out 30 minutes, or it doesn't count, or I have to work out for an hour, it doesn't count. No, any amount of minutes that you can sprinkle throughout your day counts. And my mom has really embraced this. My mom, who is a not, not a mover, not an exerciser, she's like, does this count? Like, what are you doing mom?Lesley Logan 41:52  For everyone listening, Christine just lifted her arm and lowered it down. Technically, that would be under the movement category, yes. Is it gonna help her rock climb? Probably not today.Christine Kam-Lynch 42:06  So surprisingly enough, the homework I give my mom, who I didn't think was gonna take it seriously, actually took it seriously, and she does what she can remember for that week, and she just inserts throughout the day is kind of like my new thing, Lesley, like, if I can't get a workout in, just move a little bit here and there throughout the day. You'll feel better.Lesley Logan 42:30  I love it. Yasmin, your favorite thing about OPC, why you stick around, why you take classes and your Be It Action Item? Yasmin Scholten 42:36  I would say I will steal your mantra so we don't have to be perfect. The root is the goal not to be perfect in this moment and just do your workout, practicing with the teacher, and find confidence in your body. Lesley Logan 42:57  I love that Be It Action Item. What's your favorite thing about OPC, though? Yasmin Scholten 43:00  My favorite thing is to be not alone in my studio. So I have a home studio. I'm alone and there's a community for me. I can ask questions. They are wonderful teachers I get to know and I can ask whatever struggle. No question is a bad question or silly question. Lesley Logan 43:23  I love that you brought that up, because I think a lot of people work from home today, and so they're thinking, I need to go out and find something so I'm not in my house all the time, but then they don't have the time for the parking, or they can't afford the membership, or they can't get into classes, and so they could still have a community. Yeah, I thank you for sharing that part. Megan, your OPC favorite thing and Be It Action Item.Megan Lauman 43:45  Yes, definitely love the community. Certainly love learning. That's what brought me there in the first place. But I love how inclusive it is. Sometimes also I just listen to the workouts. Maybe I watch them more than once, but I listen to them while I'm driving a car. And I learn a lot from from everyone, but I what I mean by inclusive is we're not expecting everybody's body to do the same thing. And I think sometimes, if you're just watching an online platform, you're thinking, I have to look like this person who's demonstrating it. I like how all the teachers might say, oh, that rep didn't feel very good. And let's see if it's different this time. Or I felt my hips moved they aren't supposed to move right there, or we're just honest, real and inclusive. And I really do love that. It's inviting for everybody. Be It Item. I'd say, just find a way. Maybe it would be, find a way to do the thing to take a moment for that self-care, whatever that is, if it's five minutes, and maybe it is a mat and it's five minutes on the mat or getting out for a walk around the block or whatever it is, but finding a way. Lesley Logan 44:44  I love that. I love both those things. And thank you for saying that when I set out to create OPC, of course, I always thought of myself as an inclusive person, but I also could see where I alone can't be the whole reason we're inclusive. By the way, that takes the pressure off every single person listening. You alone cannot be for everyone ever, because we all have different life experiences. So we all have blind spots to experiences we don't have. And even if you are super thoughtful and kind and welcoming, it doesn't mean that every single person can see themselves. We just had a new member who was like, I was taking a Reformer class. It was just a little faster and I'm in a larger body, and I'm not sure I'm like, set out for this. And I was like, oh my God, hold on, when is Rachel's next class on the schedule? Okay? And also, I really do mean it when I say, don't do every exercise, you know. So I love that I can refer our new members to different teachers who either have similar body types or schedules or personalities. So yeah, thank you. Rachel, your favorite thing about OPC and Be It Action Item. Rachel Piper 45:56  I actually love it when I have the Work Out With Me list. Oh and I don't even care if just one person shows up to those, but it's just like this little extra community thing in general, because Yasmin said we're very community-oriented, and this is just like another way for us to be able to do it. So I know Megan's done one and we hope to get a few more out there. But everyone's already said kind of what I'm already thinking as well. But I just love hearing what people are doing with their themes. And so sometimes I'll just listen to it, but I'll tell you what, to me there's like nothing better than turning on the camera live as one of the teachers and playing someone else's workout and letting people, if they want to, just sit there and watch me do someone else's workout. Because I will change the workout if I need to. Lesley Logan 46:50  And I love that, because it does give our members, even though we say it and we all say it in a different way, gives people a permission like oh, Lori Watson, who's an honorary teacher of OPC, she has fusions and stenosis, so she changes every workout. But I, guess what, I know that she takes every single OPC workout and she just changes it. And there isn't a workout out there where one of us is going to have to alternate something, because our bodies are so different. So I love those workout, you guys, those are really fun that when she, Rachel, started them and you know that we have OPC members at Wednesdays at 8am Mountain Time, get together every single week, and they all hit play at the same time and take the same class, and then they hang out afterwards. And I just think that our community is so cool. Okay, you have a Be It Action Item. I think I cut you off. Rachel Piper 47:36  So don't show up for anyone else but you and do what you can do and then be happy about it. That's it. Lesley Logan 47:44  The simplest and hardest thing. I think anyone can do yeah, yeah. Lifelong journey. Ladies, okay, real quick. Well, I'll tell everyone you're in, we'll go through Instagram handles so people can find you, follow you, work with you. So Mindi, what's your favorite place on Instagram hangout. Mindi Westfall 48:01  It's Bendy Mindi Pilates. Lesley Logan 48:03  I love it. Rach, with an I, Mindi with an I. Rachel, what's your Instagram handle for people? Rachel Piper 48:11  size_diverse_pilates Lesley Logan 48:15  Love it. Christine, we know you don't like to hang out, but you do, you do have a dog who does. So where can, where can you be found?Christine Kam-Lynch 48:23  No, you can find me at pilates.bound, but if you really want to follow a really cute St. Bernard, it's rammus128.Lesley Logan 48:33  Yeah, yeah, we love Rammy. Megan, your Instagram handle?Megan Lauman 48:37  Instagram is megans_pilates. Lesley Logan 48:40  Megans Pilates. Yasmin?Yasmin Scholten 48:43  It's purapilates_yasmin. Lesley Logan 48:48  Yasmin, wonderful. And you guys, everyone can follow the OPC Instagram so you can follow me, but sometimes I don't talk about Pilates at all, and people like to tell me that I should, but this is my personal it's my personal Instagram, so I'm gonna tell whatever I want, but OPC.Pilates is the Instagram handle for OPC and Tami, we miss you. We'll have you share all your favorite things with the Be It people soon, but I wanted to have everyone on because I think when you think about OPC, it's easy to like think, oh, it's me and these other teachers, but really it's all of us, right? And while I started it, it certainly was never intended to be about me. It was actually a bit more to be about the community. And so every single one of these teachers was in the community first, because I get people all the time are like, how do I teach for your platform? And I'm like, oh, are you a member? Probably not, since I don't know. And so the the teachers were in the community first. And it's about the community and our live monthly classes, our Work Out With Me, the Form Feedback Fridays, all of that is for the community, because we actually grow together. We as teachers, grow because of the questions that our members ask. The members get stronger because our classes are based around their questions, and we all benefit from the accountability and the community that exists. So I hope that if you're all intrigued by any of these ladies and why they got into Pilates and why they do OPC, I hope you join us in our favorite place. And so if you just go to onlinepilatesclasses.com you can, you can join us 40 days for $40. Please share this episode with a friend who's been wanting to do Pilates but they thought it was too expensive. OPC can be part of your Pilates journey that you do at home and you go to a studio. It could be your only way of accessing Pilates, but we always have something for you no matter what you have access to, because you could be a mat rat like most of us. Until next time everyone, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 50:35  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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Lesley Logan honors the end of April with meaningful wins from the community and her team. She shares a bold move by Australia addressing toxic masculinity, a powerful reflection from Ainsley Walker on her eLevate journey, and the intention behind launching OPC Spring Training. From global to personal, this episode is a reminder that showing up like the person who already achieved the goal is the real win. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How Australia is addressing toxic masculinity with a new government role.How Ainsley Walker found growth rewatching her eLevate journey.What sunrise Pilates in the Maldives revealed about self-trust.How OPC Spring Training came together with intention and teamwork.Episode References/Links:Tim Richardson - https://beitpod.com/timrichardsonOPC Spring Training - https://opc.me/events If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:48  Hi, Be It babe. Happy FYF. Happy last Friday of April. Here we are. We did it. We made it. We're here. You did it. I have so many, I have a great win to share with you, and I've got wins of yours to share, and I've got something that's really inspiring, and this blew my mind. Okay, here we go. Lesley Logan 1:02  Last year, this is from hearherstories on Instagram. Last year, Victoria made history by appointing Australia's first parliamentary secretary for men's behavior change, addressing toxic masculinity and its role in rising domestic violence rates. Tim Richardson's role focuses on reshaping boys and men's attitudes towards women and tackling the harmful influence of social media. Should other countries adopt similar roles to combat gender violence and promote equality? Let us know your thoughts. Yes, yes, I'm so, so, I'm so obsessed with this, you know, like we have had some epic guests on this podcast to talk about healthy masculinity and relationships and communication. And I know, everyone listening to this, my few good men, like, you know we're not talking about you, and I just love that a country saw there's a rise in domestic violence and what's happened on social media, and they are, and they're doing something to change it. And it's not gonna change overnight. This is, like, years in the making, but like, we gotta start somewhere educating people that this is not a competition. People of a different gender or different color than you are not your competition. And people who are different than you are not making the world a worse place. They making the world a better place. And so we've gotta get out of this fear-based mindset. And I think that this is just a really cool thing that a country is doing. So way to go, Australia. You win. I wish that was happening here, but maybe it'll happen in other places, and eventually that will help here. Lesley Logan 2:33  So anyways, all right, your wins. There we go. All right, Ainsley Walker. We have a couple wins from her, and I just love I can hear her accent when I read them, so I'm going to read them to you, and this will be our wins for the last Friday in April. So I've been moving through the eLevate replays the last few days, reformer and mat. Took a few days off, enjoyed a family holiday, and I fully took a break. And I'm watching the faces on the screen, and then realize we are no longer them. I see you all move now, and you are not those people. We have grown so much in a year in so many ways, and it makes us so happy, full of gratitude and proud of us. The work we put in last year, the time we invested and continued to I looked at me on the screen and literally wanted to hug me, tell me, it's going to be okay. Better than okay, better than I could imagine. I'm so excited to work my way through these and keep growing. Thank you all, and Lesley, Happy New Year, and incredible people, thank you all for being here and supporting me and each other. I'm also so excited to meet more of you this year in Las Vegas. And she had another win later on, which is I took a full break to the beautiful Maldives, where there was a small, empty gym studio, and I did my own mat practice. Every morning at 6am I did it every day, then walked on the beach, saw the sunrise and then joined the family at breakfast. I saw every sunrise and sunset, and time seemed to be plentiful. It gave me space to reflect on what an incredible year I'd had, and none of it I knew of before. So thank you for Pilates and all it is gifting me. I embrace the rain again, and I now feel ready for this year, and I'm so grateful for this rest without fear and knowing I'm still getting paid. I start back tomorrow teaching. My first class is mat. I'm excited because my daily practice, it's in my body. And I traveled for this year, took me to Las Vegas, Philly, Morocco, Cambodia, Maldives. I completed eLevate. Clients kept coming with full classes. I got stronger, physically and mentally. Relationships mended and evolved by me setting boundaries, talking honestly and unapologetically. It was incredible. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Well, Ainsley, thank you. I want to share only yours today, because one, you're such a beautiful writer, but two, I've said this before. I said to people when I talk about Ansley, I love the way she sees the world, and I want her wins to be something that helps you see that you can see the world this way too. Now, of course, obviously you see things that are differently, and you can reflect differently when you're on vacation versus when you're not, but where in your day are you taking time to reflect? When are you actually thinking about who you were a year ago? I love that she went through the replays and was able to go, wow, look how far we've come. Like, when are you doing that in your life or in your business or in a relationship? When are you actually acknowledging, like, just how freaking far you've come? You're different, right? I look at pictures myself when I thought I was like, younger and hotter, and I actually can see, like, actually today, 10 years later, I am much hotter and more confident. You know, even when I'm scared, I'm more confident. And so I think it's so important that we all, like, literally, just go into your phone and pick, like, write in the date on your photos from 10 years from now, and just see where were you? How far have you come? You know. What an epic win. So thank you, Ansley, for inspiring us all. Lesley Logan 5:53  My win. Okay, so this Sunday, we are kicking off spring training, and my win is a team's win. We have, you know, we did surveys more than six months ago. We came up with the idea and tossed it around and percolated on it, and we worked on it. So many people on our team have worked on it, not only the seven OPC teachers, but also, like a good 10 people on the team, because there's people who made the images, and people did the copywriting. People did the value statements, and then I wrote the emails, and then my assistant made sure I had time in my schedule and like so we kick it off on Sunday, and I'm just so proud of the work that we did. Now, in this moment that I'm recording, I don't know if we are surpassing our goals or not. I won't know that until after May 3rd, but in this moment, on this day, when I am celebrating this, like, the team and I, we all worked together as if we had hit this goal. And I share that with you because, you know, I had a coach say on all the goals he's had in the last six years. He's missed most of them, but he's successful because he worked like a person who could meet those goals. And so what does that mean? It means like, let's say you have a goal to run a marathon and have a PR, and let's say you actually, you know, work a training program. You fuel correctly, you sleep correctly, you do all the things, and you run the marathon, but you don't PR, is that a failure? No fucking way, because you actually did the things that would have PR do. Maybe you had a headwind, right? But if you sign up for a marathon, you want a PR, and then you, like, postpone some of the long days, and you didn't do the sprint runs, and then you didn't fuel well, and of course, you didn't hit a PR, well, that would be the failure, because, and not even a failure. Just be feedback. Like, you didn't act like the runner who could PR, you didn't do the things that a runner who would PR would do, right? So what I would just say is like, please notice if you miss a goal by whatever the numbers are, but you did all the things that could have done it. That's a win, always. It's always successful. So I'm so proud of my team and all that we've done and accomplished together, and I'm so excited for the impact that Spring Training is going to make and you can join it, opc.me/events, you know, because there's replays. So it's pretty awesome. Lesley Logan 8:11  All right, your mantra. Just because I feel it, doesn't mean I need to carry it with me. Just because I feel it doesn't mean I need to carry it with me. Just because I feel it doesn't mean I need to carry it with me. What are you gonna let go of right now? You're amazing. Thank you so much. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 8:37  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 9:18  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 9:23  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 9:28  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 9:35  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 9:38  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

In this recap episode, Lesley and Brad break down Lesley's conversation with intuitive eating coach Sabrina Magnan. They explore how disordered eating habits form, the power of self-awareness, and the role of travel and journaling in identity shifts. Whether you're looking to reconnect with your hunger cues or take small, consistent steps toward your future goals, this recap offers valuable insights and practical takeaways. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:What intuitive eating means and why we lose it over time.The effect of diet culture on how we interpret hunger and fullness.How travel can shift perspectives on food, body image, and lifestyle.Why 80% of your thoughts might be stuck on repeat and how to change them.The power of journaling and visioning your ideal life.How to embody your future self through everyday choices.Episode References/Links:UK Mullet Tour Waitlist - https://opc.me/ukSpring Pilates Training - https://opc.me/eventsPilates Studio Growth Accelerator - https://prfit.biz/acceleratorCambodia October 2025 Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comFast Like A Girl by Dr. Mindy Pelz - https://a.co/d/8DHMdDN If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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The fact that people have to tell us sometimes you think you're hungry when you just need a drink of water, the fact we have to be told this because we have become so disconnected from our heads to our bodies about when we are actually hungry, or if you're hungry, your body is saying hi, I don't have enough fuel to do the thing you asked me to do. So I really just thought it was really cool. Lesley Logan 0:26  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:09  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the intentional convo I have with Sabrina Magnan in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that episode, go listen to it and then listen to this one, or stick around and then go listen to that one, because that's just like how podcast apps can work. You guys, today is April 24th 2025 it's World Immunization Week. I feel a pedestal from Brad coming in. World world of music. You guys, we're using our platform how we can. Brad Crowell 1:41  Maybe.Lesley Logan 1:43  World Immunization Week is an annual event observed in the last week of April. Aims to educate the public about why vaccines are necessary for the health of millions of people around the world. For numerous reasons, children and adults miss out on essential vaccines, which increases the risk of contracting various preventable diseases such as polio, measles and smallpox. The purpose of this week is to identify challenges and gain access to vaccines and overcome those barriers for the benefit the global populations. People now realize that unless everyone is safe from disease, no one is truly immune. Well, you guys were really fucking this up. So obviously, if you listen to this, you probably have done all your children's and your MMRs, but please check in if you are eligible for the boosters for measles, because depending on when you got your shots, you might have only gotten one shot, so you may actually need to do additional one depending on how around people you are, because this is like a huge thing. When I was in L.A., there was like a freaking whooping cough outbreak amongst the private school, and my client had been in my studio three times after her kid had whooping cough. Didn't seem to think to tell me, and I was like, you're exposing me to whooping cough. So there's just different things we have to be aware of. Also, if you are of a certain age, you might have to get your shingles vaccine. You don't want to actually get shingles. I promise you, there's like nerve damage that happens. It's very painful. So please educate yourself. If you come at me because you think it's causing things that have scientifically been disproven multiple times, I will not respond to you. I don't need to, but I do think you should go and educate yourself and make decisions that are right for you and those around you. Brad Crowell 3:20  Yeah, in Texas, we have a measles outbreak right now in the United States. There's a whole lot of people trying to figure that out. And the reality is, the people who are getting measles never got vaccine. They never got the vaccine, but because of it now it's one of the most contagious diseases ever, and because of it now it's putting people who may have gotten it 40, 50 years ago at risk because it, meaning the vaccine, 40, 50 years ago, at risk because science has changed over time. Things have changed and shifted and grown. I was listening to a podcast where they interviewed a woman who's, I can't remember, but she was a doctor at the NIH, and she was basically saying that what they found is that before 1968 they recommended to go get a measles booster. From 1968 to 1989 where we were born, Lesley and I were born, it was medicine generally said go get one dose of the vaccine, but you are, now they're saying you should have at least two. So I contacted my mom. Somehow I actually had two doses of the vaccine, right? But, otherwise.Lesley Logan 3:20  Typically, you would have gotten the one at, one as a kid and then one, you're. Brad Crowell 4:01  In the 90s, like 10 years later.Lesley Logan 4:08  Yes and then you would have gotten one when you went to school. That's how it went. Brad Crowell 4:21  That's what it was. So I got one when I was born, and then I got one before I went to elementary school.Lesley Logan 4:35  Yes, so go get your tetanus. When? If you don't remember, it's probably (inaudible). Brad Crowell 4:39  Go get a tetanus shot. You don't want to deal with that.Lesley Logan 4:42  No, they're preventable, you know. Brad Crowell 4:44  And honestly, all the way down to just the flu shot. Lesley Logan 4:47  Well, you know, here's the thing, here's, here's, if you're like, I'm against all these things. So Brad's brother and sister in law, so they had a third baby, and the third baby was born premature, and we were the only ones in the family who got to go see this little cutie pie because we had a flu shot. Like, it's not about you, it's about like premature babies and little kids and people with immune suppressed issues, that's why you get it, because you might survive it, but the person next to you who's dealing with childhood cancer won't. So think about other people. Brad Crowell 5:21  Yep, that's all. Lesley Logan 5:23  Sorry. Well, I guess I joined on the soapbox. Okay, I'm back from Pilates Anytime filming. We had so much fun. Those classes will come out in the fall. If you're not a Pilates Anytime, member, you can use L Logan for a 30-day trial. I have a ton of classes on there. You can just search out all of mine. They're really, really fun. And we have announced and space is filling up like crazy, because it's a very limited amount of people who can join us on the Mullet Tour in the U.K. So yes, we are coming to Leeds and Essex in September, and we are doing a Mullet Tour, which means business in the front, Pilates in the back. So business workshops in the morning, Pilates classes and workshops in the afternoon. It's gonna be a lot of fun. Brad Crowell 6:04  It's gonna be a blast. So go to opc.me/uk to get more information. We're past the waitlist at this point. Go find out the deets, opc.me/uk, and then at the end of the month, we're getting really close here, this is the 24th today, so. Lesley Logan 6:18  Three days, so you're just gonna go to. Brad Crowell 6:21  opc.me/events, opc.me/events Come join us for spring training. Literally, in just a few days, it kicks off. It's going to be 10 events over seven days on all four pieces of equipment. If you have a mat only, there's a mat only ticket. Otherwise, you come get the equipment ticket.Lesley Logan 6:35  It's really inexpensive and they're 30-minute classes with a 30-minute Q&A. So it's not just workouts. It's like, actually hangout sessions. Brad Crowell 6:43  Yeah, community, great questions.Lesley Logan 6:44  Asking the questions, where you actually (inaudible) with. All the OPC teachers and myself, I'm teaching like four of the classes, I think. It's just going to be a ton of fun. And we have team uniforms, guys, like baseball jerseys. We are ready to go. The dog has a uniform. He's a home rough. He's a bat boy, bat dog. He's all the things. Brad got a jersey. It's, yes, it's pink. It looks so cute. Brad Crowell 6:45  It's very pink. Lesley Logan 6:47  So go to opc.me/events to snag your spot before we kick off. There are replays on the classes who can't join live and what else, Brad?Brad Crowell 7:18  Yeah, so come join me for a free webinar. If you are taking clients, taking payments from clients, we want to help you. Want to support you. We want to share with you what we've learned over the last seven years of coaching people, over the last 10 years of doing it ourselves, we've literally had to be in the trenches doing the same exact things you're doing to grow your business, to meet new clients. How do I introduce myself? What am I supposed to say? I get tongue-tied. It's awkward. I feel like a salesperson. All these kinds of things. We were in the same exact position that you were in now. And because we realized that we had to get better at it, was we went out and we learned. We started studying with coaches for, I don't know, six years in a row, we hired coaches to help us with sales, copy, email writing. How do we, you know, say things, what should our website be, do, have? How do we become more known in our community? And we started Agency to share these things with you, right? And then, what that's allowed us to do is to then be alongside more than 2500 businesses just like yours over the past seven years, helping everyone solve these problems, and we can work with you to solve the same things. How do I get new clients? How do I actually fire a client that I hate? I need to fire the teacher for me. I really need help with my admin, all these kinds of things, insurance, etc, etc, etc. Anyway, free webinar. I want you to come join me for it. It's called the growth accelerator. Go to prfit.biz/accelerator. That's profit without the O dot biz slash accelerator. And then finally. Lesley Logan 7:27  We're going to Cambodia. We want you to come with us. Why haven't you signed up? This is your reminder. Go to crowsnestretreats.com and snag your spot. And let's go. Let's go to Siem Reap. I think it's like another thing I've been thinking about. You might be going why are we going to Cambodia? So if you've heard the town Siem Reap. Brad Crowell 9:05  Siem Reap. Lesley Logan 9:05  Siem Reap, that's where all the temples are.Brad Crowell 9:07  The Temples of Angkor. Angkor, A-N-G-K-O-R. Angkor was the, one of the largest civilizations, landmass wise, it was actually they controlled what we now consider Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia and all the way up through parts of Thailand. They would go to war with the Thai. They would go to war with India. They would go to war with all these, these places, right? It was a massive, massive civilization, and they built over 1000 major structures, and they're mostly temples. And then they were eaten by the jungle, and a thousand years later, they were, quote-unquote, rediscovered. And they are stunning, y'all, it's mind-blowingly cool.Lesley Logan 9:46  And if you go on some random cruise, they're gonna take you to three and we're gonna take you to way more than three, and we're gonna do Pilates, we're gonna do a Lotus Farm, and we're gonna go to a water village, and you're just going to learn so much and be so awed, like one in wonderment. Yeah, you'll be in wonderment, and it's gonna help you.Brad Crowell 10:04  You'll just be so odd, it's just gonna be so weird. Lesley Logan 10:06  Yeah, you mean awed. Anyways, come, crowsnestretreats.com.Brad Crowell 10:11  Yeah, if you want to stay an extra day or two, we love to go to a waterfall. We love to go see elephants.Lesley Logan 10:16  The waterfall and the elephants are on the extra day. Brad Crowell 10:18  Yeah, those are extra afterwards, because they're longer day trips and we can't fit them into the full retreat so.Lesley Logan 10:23  They're like full on days. Brad Crowell 10:24  Yeah, so come hang, it's gonna be mind-blowing. Go to crowsnestretreats.com, crowsnestretreats.com. But before we go any further, we did have an audience question this week. EliyaManson-p4k on YouTube says, "Fasting changed my life. It's my superpower! I've noticed that when I fast, the more I move, the better I feel. Plus, my motivation to get up and be active is higher. Does anyone else have a similar effect, or is it different in some way?" It's a very interesting comment.Lesley Logan 10:53  Yeah. So this is on a video we did a live with Noor from Jade Pilates Studio, about, about Ramadan, and so it was like, can you do Pilates during Ramadan? And it was such a really, was a really cool conversation. I've had nothing but great compliments and comments of people being so excited to learn about this. So thank you, Noor. I'm not a fasting expert, expert, and also the way they fast for Ramadan is very different than a fasting program. So Mindy Pelz, P-E-L-Z. Mindy Pelz, if any of you know her email, please help a sister out. Mindy Pelz, she wrote the book Fast Like A Girl, and it is super, super informative about how women specifically can and should fast based on their cycle. So that to Eliya, of course, you're feeling that, especially if you're fasting in the way that benefits your hormone cycle. She has tons and tons and tons and tons of research about fasting, what it can do for us. It's actually incredibly healing. So it doesn't surprise me that you're getting faster at things, you're moving better. Brad Crowell 10:55  But you've also been practicing fasting. Lesley Logan 10:59  Yeah. I mean, I'm gonna, I've kind of stopped. It's Cambodia, it's really hard. Tour was actually not the problem. Tour is easy. Cambodia is hard because you kind of go to bed early, and you wake up early, and then we eat on the schedule. So it's really hard for me to fast when the schedule of the group is different than what mine is. Brad Crowell 12:21  That's fair. Lesley Logan 12:22  But now that we're back, I'm getting back into it. And so by the time you're hearing this, yes, I'm back to fasting. So what I do is, if you look at how she sets it up, where I am in my cycle, Mindy Pelz, depending on where you are in your cycle, if you have one, you don't want to fast too long during a progesterone season, it will stress you out. So 13 hours, 14 hours is kind of the max on those days. But then there's other days of your cycle where you, like, 15 to 17 or 18 hours is really effective and like repair and helping. If you have any pre-diabetic stuff, there's this really great stuff. I don't want to take away her science. Go read her book. It's so good. You can listen to an Audible. It's really great. So I hope that helps Eliya and gives you more information to like even take what you're doing up another level.Brad Crowell 13:09  Love it. Well, stick around. We'll be right back, because we're going to dig into a really interesting conversation about our relationship with food with Sabrina Magnan as soon as we are back. Brad Crowell 13:21  All right, let's talk about Sabrina Magnon. Sabrina is an intuitive eating and food freedom coach who helps women break free from disordered eating, binge eating and food obsession. After struggling with her own body image and restrictive eating, she discovered the power of self-awareness and mindset shifts. Now she's on a mission to help others let go of food rules and build a healthy relationship with their own bodies. And she shared a lot about her story. I think my favorite part of her story is that her life-altering epiphany moment happened due to travel. And I love that. I think it's great.Lesley Logan 13:58  Yeah, that's why we love travel. I think travel teaches you so much about yourself and and really forces you to get a little bit more flexible around things. Brad Crowell 14:07  So if you listen to the episode, her story is that she went to Italy in her teens. And in her teens is when she was literally going down the path of eating disorders, because she had been a really competitive athlete and then stopped, and when she stopped, she was terrified that she was going to put on weight as a teenager, and she went to Italy. And she said, in Italy, nobody went to the gym for incessantly, no one was freaking out counting calories. Lesley Logan 14:34  Remember in 2020, when they were trying to get everyone to stay home. And the Italian, like the Italian leaders, were like, why is everyone so like now training for a marathon? What is going on? There are these running grannies? What are you doing? Because it's like not a thing.Brad Crowell 14:47  What was like the mind-blowing shift for her was seeing another culture and how they approach food, how they treated it, and how they enjoyed food, where she never enjoyed her food, she was like so intense about it all the time, and that changed her world. So I love that. I think it's amazing.Lesley Logan 15:09  Well, I think even, like in Cambodia, my dad gets so mad because they're like, constantly feeding him, and he's like, they're just bringing more food. They just brought more food. I just ate. I just ate. And he would always lose 10 pounds. The reason is, is yes, it's more outdoor lifestyle. So you're like, you move around a bit more, but when you eat there, you're not on your phone, and the portions are not huge. Of course, you can have seconds or thirds if you want to, but you are enjoying the taste. The food is very flavorful. There's also all these different things that you're going to dip in, and you use your hands. And so I think that's what makes it interesting when you're here in the States or other Western cultures, where the media has made women think that the smaller you are, be obsessed with being smaller, because then you're too busy trying to be smaller to realize we're taking your rights away, like that kind of thing, that's very much what it is, or enjoying your food. And so that leads into what I loved is that she said, we're born knowing how to eat intuitively. Brad Crowell 15:23  Right. Lesley Logan 15:23  And we lose this over time. So when you're a little kid, you're like, eating, and then you're like, done. And they're like, no, come finish your food. And actually the kid is full, they like, I'm done here, you know? And so what happens is the diet culture and the way things are going, it changes our ability to listen to our body and understand when am I hungry? The fact that people have to tell us sometimes you think you're hungry when you just need a drink of water. The fact we have to be told this because we have become so disconnected from our heads to our bodies about when we are actually hungry. And so I really enjoyed that she has taken on so much research and learning understanding about trusting our bodies so we're not restricting, we're not calorie-counting, we're not ignoring hunger. If you're hungry, your body is saying, hi, I don't have enough.Brad Crowell 16:44  Fuel.Lesley Logan 16:44  To do the thing you asked me to do. So I really just thought it was really cool and so true. Intuitive eating means blending what your body is telling you along with your emotions and your rational thought.Brad Crowell 16:54  Yeah. I mean, it was really interesting to listen to how her story shaped where she is today. She also shared that you have to be intentional about the life that you want, otherwise you end up repeating the same patterns. And this is definitely something that we've talked about on the pod before. Lesley usually talks about it when it comes to dating, have you to learn from the person you dated. You end up dating the same person over and over and over again until you learn the thing that you're supposed to learn before you can move on to the next person, right? So in line with that, she said, and instead of, hey, just letting life happen to me, I started getting intentional about, okay, what do I actually want to create with my life now that I've had this change in my perspective? She said, most of our thoughts are on repeat. I don't really understand the science, but the two of you had a really funny back and forth about like, how do we know that 80% of our thoughts are the same today as yesterday? How do we know that we have 60,000 thoughts a day? I don't know how to actually measure that.Lesley Logan 17:47  Oh, they already did that, did that, did that, did that, did that, did that. What does a person watch? I don't understand. But anyways. Brad Crowell 17:56  And unfortunately, most of these thoughts are negative, right? Self-deprecation. And it's easy to get stuck in that negativity cycle. She asked herself, hey, if I could create the life that I want, if it had a blank slate, if the rules didn't apply, and I could just, like, start over and be there, what would my life look like? What would it be for me? Right? And she said, this is when she started to journal. She started to pull things to like, write things down. And she said, hey, every day, this is the kind of stuff where you're starting to notice, I want my life to be like this. Add that to the list, right? And then it'll help you see what you actually want to be doing, where you actually want to be going. And she said, living into that vision helped her see small, tangible changes begin to take shape in her life, so that she could be eventually where she wants to be going. And, you know, I love that. I think this is like just another way of saying, you know, the small, tiny habits, small steps forward are going to help you get there. And also, I've heard this 100 times, but what would the decision be if I wanted to be, you know, a successful business owner, laundromat, if I wanted to be a successful laundromat owner and I had a decision to make, what would a successful laundromat owner's decision be? I should make that decision, right? So you're putting yourself in the place that you want to be before you then make the decision, because you're going to look at it through a different lens than you might, your gut might actually say, and so you, this is really helpful. It's a great way to kind of see life through a different perspective.Lesley Logan 19:27  I mean, I just think, first of all, she was super, super sweet. And I also remember she's like, being it until she sees it to be a puppy owner. So I really hope she and her partner, by this time, have gotten a dog. No pressure. Brad Crowell 19:37  Yeah, no pressure. Lesley Logan 19:38  But I think you're ready.Brad Crowell 19:41  No pressure, Sabrina. All right. Well, hey, stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig it into some action items the Be It Action Items that she shared, you're not going to want to miss it. Be right back. Brad Crowell 19:52  Welcome back. All right. Let's dig into those Be It Action Items that we got from Sabrina Magnan. What bold, what executable, what intrinsic and what targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Sabrina? She started talking about manifesting, right? And we were just kind of talking about parts of this, like future-casting, how we make decisions as the person that we will want to be one day. This is also the be it till you see it, you know, stuff. She said, hey, you've got to be really clear on what it is that you want. You need to define your goal, right? So whether that's a career milestone, a lifestyle change, or even a pet, that's what she's going after. She said, you have to embody the mindset and actions of the person who's achieved it. She believes that a lot of people think once they hit that goal, then I will feel this thing, but that is so backwards. And I laughed when she said, it's not like your brain changes when you achieve the thing, right? Your brain is going to be the same brain now as it is when you achieve the thing, unless you're intentionally trying to change your brain now. Lesley Logan 20:53  And also, if you haven't really set yourself up, like, if you're someone who has, like, a fear of making decisions, and then you somehow get someone to believe in your laundromat business, and they're like, here are the keys to your laundromat business, but you didn't ready yourself as a person who makes decisions, good fucking luck keeping your laundromat business, because you have to have done that. So you got to change the brain to be ready for the thing you want to have when it comes. Brad Crowell 21:16  You have to be ready to make decisions now before you get those keys right? Instead of waiting for the success to change, you become the version of yourself who attracts it today. Ask yourself, what does this person who already has achieved this thing do every day, and then make space for it now. Start taking those actions and make yourself ready to receive those wins now, you know. What about you? Lesley Logan 21:39  This is really cool, because this is where, if you're like, okay, guys, we've heard that one before. I think you have to hear things multiple times before you make a decision on making a change, right? Brad Crowell 21:47  Like 17? Lesley Logan 21:47  Like, at least. So this one is really unique. We have not heard this one before, which is, take a piece of paper and do two columns. So a left side, you put the old me, and on the right side, you're gonna put the future me. And on the old me, this is where you can list up the thoughts and habits and emotions you want to leave behind. So all that negative self-talk, I'm a failure, I'm not good enough. And then on the right side, all the things that you want to have in the future, the future you like, how you think and emotions you have. And then you could have this ability to interrupt the pattern, because now you get to act like, oh, these are all the things that I want to embody. So this is what I need to be acting as if, participating, going back to her other Be It Action Items. So I really love this, because one of my clients, shout out to Meredith, I said, hey, babe, we were supposed to, she only has a session on Tuesdays, and we're driving back from Colorado, and I was supposed to text her when we're getting back so I could teach her. And we got back a little later than we expected. And so I, like, was like, hey, I, the only time I have this week is 8 a.m. tomorrow, which Meredith doesn't, is not a morning person. And she goes, great, I'll see you then. And I was like, okay, so I saw her a.m., she was on time. She was ready to go. And I said, wow, this is really early for you. She's like, well, I am a healthy person. I'm a person who makes healthy decisions, and a healthy person would work out at 8am so this is why we're here. But I really liked it. It's like she did the old her would never have said yes to that. Brad Crowell 23:14  Never. Lesley Logan 23:15  The old her is doing the 9:15 and that's early. And the new her is like, nope, nope. I'm gonna do it 8 a.m. I'm up. I'm gonna work out. I'm gonna do it. So I just think that this is a really cool thing. Two sides paper really helps you on that goal setting and getting clear on what you want and who you want to be. Sabrina, I can't wait to hear what your dog's name is. Just putting that out there. Lesley Logan 23:34  Y'all, how are you going to use these tips in your life? What was your favorite part or your takeaways? Thank you also to those who've been leaving amazing reviews of the Be It Podcast, I know they don't make it easy to leave reviews. You have to go find how to do it somewhere on your phone, in a tiny print, and all of you are over 40, so you can't read it. I get it, but thank you for going through the efforts of doing it. It means the world to us. I love reading it. My team literally shows me every single review. Brad Crowell 24:00  Every single one, y'all. Lesley Logan 24:01  Not a single one. Brad Crowell 24:02  We celebrate every single one. So thank you for leaving those. Lesley Logan 24:05  And if you haven't, yet. Brad Crowell 24:06  If you haven't. Lesley Logan 24:07  This is your reminder. This is us guilting you, yeah, don't take that joy away from me. 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In this raw and powerful episode, Lesley sits down with food freedom coach Sabrina Magnan to unpack the messy, beautiful work of shifting perfectionism, intuitive eating, and manifesting a life aligned with your values. From a disordered past shaped by competitive sports and diet culture, Sabrina opens up about the turning point that changed everything—her summer in Italy. Immersed in a culture that celebrated food, presence, and connection, she began to release the rigid beliefs she held around food and her body—an inspiring journey that will shift your mindset about diet. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How disordered eating distorted her sense of identity and self-worth.What intuitive eating really means and why it's about more than hunger cues.How journaling and scripting became pivotal tools in her personal growth.What it means to rewire your self-talk with a two-column journaling exercise.Why supporting your nervous system makes mindset shifts feel sustainable.Episode References/Links:Live Unrestricted Podcast - https://sabrinamagnan.comSabrina Magnan Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/sabrina.magnan.healthFood Freedom Academy - https://sabrinamagnan.com/ffaGuest Bio:Sabrina Magnan is a food freedom and intuitive eating coach who helps women heal their relationship with food and their bodies. A former synchronized swimmer, Sabrina struggled with perfectionism and disordered eating before discovering intuitive eating and mindset work as tools for true transformation. Her turning point came during a summer in Italy, where she began to let go of food rules and embrace self-trust. Now, through her coaching program and podcast Live Unrestricted, she guides others to release food guilt, rewire negative self-talk, and shift long-held beliefs using practical tools like journaling, scripting, and nervous system support. Her mission is to help women feel safe in their bodies and live with more presence, joy, and freedom. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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I had a hard time even knowing who I really am, what my values are, what do I want to do with my life? Because I thought that if I look a certain way, like my entire life revolved around if I can look a certain way, and if I can be perfect around food and perfect around exercise, that I'm finally going to feel like I'm enough. Lesley Logan 0:32  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:15  Hello, Be It babe. Welcome back to another interview for the Be It Till You See It podcast. I'm just loving I get to talk to so many amazing people because you listen to this podcast. So I just want to say thanks, because it's really fun for me. I'm assuming it's fun for you because you're listening. Today, our guest is Sabrina Magnan and she is so fun. We have a really great conversation that kind of goes through how she got to doing what she's doing, which is like focusing on helping others with emotional eating, but also we talk about manifesting, and like how she manifested the person she's with now, and what she's manifesting next, and so it's just a really fun conversation that I think we can all resonate with in different aspects. And also, if emotional eating is something that you are understanding about yourself. I do think that there's going to be some really great points in here that help you feel like you're not alone. And if you're not, then get all the manifestation out of this episode that you want. Here is Sabrina. Lesley Logan 2:13  All right, Be It babe, this is going to be fun because I'm just going to come out from something great. Sabrina and I have already talked today, so if you hear us talk about like we've talked about this morning, it's just because I was already on her podcast. So Sabrina Magnan is our guest today. She is an incredible human and what I can't wait for us to talk about, we're going to get into some self-talk. It's about self-chatter and mindset stuff. But Sabrina, before we get into all that, can you tell everyone who you are and maybe how you started to rock at all of these stuff?Sabrina Magnan 2:39  Yeah, absolutely. So thanks for having me. I'm so excited to be here. And like you said, I am Sabrina Magnan, and I'm an intuitive eating and food freedom coach for women who struggle with the relationship with food, disordered eating, binge eating, food obsession, body image, you know, a lifetime of yo-yo dieting. And I help them heal their relationship with food and their bodies, so that they can free their mental space, their energy, their time, to focus on being their authentic selves and creating the life of their dreams. Lesley Logan 3:12  Thank you for even bringing all that up. I think, like, the thing about being it until you see it is like acting as if you're the person that you want to be, right? And a lot of times, what keeps us from being that person is the stuff that we're currently doing that's kind of holding us back, and it's really a distraction in our lives, and it can be really hard. I do want to get into real briefly, because you mentioned intuitive eating, I feel like people, that requires having intuition. So for someone who might not know what that is, can we just kind of go over that briefly? Sabrina Magnan 3:40  Yeah, absolutely. So in the simplest terms, it's the way that we are all born to eat. So if you think about toddlers, they eat when they're hungry. They stop when they're full, they turn their head, they push their plate. They're turned away from the boob when they've had enough food. And as we get older, and we get all these messages around what we should or shouldn't be eating, and how it might affect our weight, and we get all of this fear around food, then that can really start to disconnect us from our bodies. And so we're no longer listening to what our bodies are telling us. We're listening to what other people tell us that we should be doing. We start calorie counting or restricting or not eating when we're hungry and then overeating later. So being an intuitive eater is blending what your body is telling you along with your emotions and your rational thought. Lesley Logan 4:30  I love that, and also like, yeah, when we're kids, we do that already, you know, I was telling somebody that like I started just shortening the window, like I was following, like, Mindy Pelz and kind of shortened the window. And I said, I'm just, I'm dabbling, like, I'm just, I'm dabbling in it. Like, this is not a, I cannot follow anything like to a tee, just gonna dabble in it. And she was like, you know what's so funny is like, our kids go 12 hours, like, they eat dinner at seven, and we don't feed them breakfast till seven. So like, why as an adult, is it so hard? And it's because, like, life and all these things, and we get all these mixed messages, and it can be really crazy. And then there's, you know, the the chatter in between, all the different things we say that are sometimes from us and sometimes from other people. Like, what's your experience with self-talk? And like, the things that we say and how that affects us, from intuitive eating or just like, having, like a healthy relationship with ourselves and body image? Sabrina Magnan 5:25  Yeah, so I think a good way to lead into that conversation is how I got to where I am today, because I was a high level synchronized swimmer when I was younger, so. Lesley Logan 5:36  Were you like the girls? I also saw that, we're getting off topic, but I just recently saw during the Olympics how you get your hair to like, it's like, weird. It's like plastic. It's like weird rubber stuff to get so your hair still looks like hair, but it also is like, anyways, go ahead. Sabrina Magnan 5:53  It's terrible. It's really like, it's that gelatin mix that you make food with, and you mix it in with, like, boiling hot water, and you put that into your hair, and it is a absolute pain to take out of your hair. It takes hours. So, I was a synchronized swimmer for eight years of my life, and it's a sport that is very highly focused on the way that you look. So, you saw the Olympics, they all kind of look the same. Tall, skinny, long legs, and you just inevitably start to compare yourself to others. And there's a lot of, you know, there's girls who don't make certain teams because of the way their bodies look, regardless of their talent level. And so I was never in a quote-unquote bigger body, but I always thought that I was too big, like I have some nice muscular thighs, and I didn't have a thigh gap, and I didn't have a six pack. And so when I retired from the sport at the age of 16, I thought that the worst thing that you could possibly do is to gain weight, because in my world, gaining weight meant you were less worthy, you were less valuable. And so I did what anyone else would do as a 16 year old, I started looking online and what can I cut out and what should I be doing? So counting calories and low carb and 1200 calories, and I look back on that time now, and the way that I treated myself and the way that I spoke to myself was so incredibly abusive and negative, and as a result, we talked about it this morning. It's really hard to give other people what you don't have for yourself, and so I had a really hard time connecting with people. I had a hard time even knowing who I really am, what my values are, what do I want to do with my life? Because I thought that if I look a certain way, like my entire life revolved around if I can look a certain way, and if I can be perfect around food and perfect around exercise, that I'm finally going to feel like I'm enough. I'm finally going to feel like I am worthy, and I'm going to feel confident, and as you know, like that's an internal job. And so I thought that if something outside of me change, that I would feel different internally. And then I remember waking up one day where I was at the deepest, darkest part of my eating disorder, and just thinking, what am I all doing this for? Like I started this because I thought that it would make me feel happy and confident and loved and accepted and healthy, and I am getting further and further and further away from those things. So into that conversation of be it till you see it, I really thought about my future, and I thought about the kind of person, the kind of life that I wanted to live, and I always said, I want to travel, I want to be spontaneous, I want to have adventures. And with my rigid thinking around food, around exercise, around myself, none of that would be possible if I didn't make a radical change in how I operated internally.Lesley Logan 9:24  Yeah, oh my gosh. Like, I've and if you went through your life and you never had your, like, the idea of like, oh, once I'm this, then I'll have that. Like, congratulations, what a life you've lived. But most of us, like, I resonate with that so much. We just get really obsessed. Like, oh, as soon as I get there to this five pounds that no one notices on me, and probably is very helpful for me, we, then I'll be happy. And it really, you're so miserable getting there that you can't even enjoy it once you are there. Yeah. So you go on this journey and you're recognizing, like, who you want to be, and then how you are not that person. How does that, like, what did that take you to next? You know, where's the next step? Sabrina Magnan 10:08  So that was really my rock bottom. And at that time in my life, I had the opportunity to go to Italy for the summer to be an au pair. And that had always been my dream. Like, Italy was my dream country, and I noticed that I didn't want to go. I was anxious about going because I didn't want to gain weight, and I was terrified of being around carbs and pasta and all these foods that I couldn't control myself around, and I noticed that this like anxiety that I was feeling was really holding me back at the age of 21 so what would that look like at the age of 30 and 40 and 50? So I was extremely terrified, and I knew that's why I needed to go. I was so uncomfortable, and that's why I needed to do it. So I went to Italy that summer, and the first thing that the Italian nonna, who I lived with said when she saw me was oh my God, you're so skinny let's get you some food. And immediately I thought, oh my God I made a huge mistake. I've made a huge mistake, and I was really challenged that summer, but I, at the same time, I was forced to see a different perspective on what it's like to have a healthy relationship with food. Because in Italy, they don't talk about calories. They're not counting their points. They're not spending two hours at the gym. It's a culture of, let's enjoy food, right? Let's nourish ourself. Let's connect through it. Let's slow down. Let's be mindful. Let's be present, which is something I was never used to. I really saw like a stark contrast between the way that I was living back home, where everything was about being productive and doing the right thing, whereas here it was, let's slow things down and let's actually be present and intentional with what we do, and that like planted a seed of, oh, there's a different way to live a healthy and a happy lifestyle that doesn't go to those extremes. We talked about this morning how I'm a recovering perfectionist, very high standards. And so I really thought that if I'm going to do something, I'm going to do it perfect, I'm going to do it well. And I did that with quote-unquote, clean eating. And so in that summer, I saw it's actually possible to like, have gelato and have bread and have these foods and still feel really good. Feel good physically, feel good mentally, feel good emotionally. I felt even better because I was nourishing myself. So I came home that summer and I really made a decision of, I'm not gonna fall back into what I was doing before, because now I'm back in my environment. I'm back around the same people, the same places. It would be so easy to just get caught up back into that cycle of disordered eating. And it took a few years. It took a few years of like, peeling back the layers, because all of these things that we do, they don't happen in a vacuum. They're all connected. And so I had to unravel like, okay, what are the thoughts that I have around my body? What are the thoughts that I have around the people around me? Like, I had this identity as the healthy friend, I thought that people only loved me because I was so disciplined and because I was so healthy, which, consciously. Lesley Logan 13:46  That's hilarious, Sabrina. There's not a single person out there who goes, you know what? I want to hang out with that really disciplined friend.Sabrina Magnan 13:53  I know. Like, if anything, it made me more unbearable to be around.Lesley Logan 13:56  Like, no, let's not invite Sabrina. She won't eat that anyway. Like, that's what it is, like, that, you know? But I understand, because I was a person with, like, severe stomach issues, and I was like, I'm an annoying friend to hang around like, nobody wants to hang around me. So let me just, like, figure this out. But it's, but it is funny, like you're like, this is how I'm known, though. People know me as the healthy one. I got to be the healthy one. The titles we give ourselves really hold us back. Sabrina Magnan 14:19  Yeah and we develop these beliefs because they served a purpose at some point in your life. And I come from a overachieving family where my dad, you know, never said I love you. He's a phenomenal dad, but he is a boomer dad who never learned to communicate his emotions or how he feels, and we never had any of these kind of conversations. So I always felt like in order to get love and to get attention, because I was the youngest of five kids, I just need to excel. I need to achieve. And so if I'm excelling, if I'm overachieving, then maybe I'll get noticed. And so when I was, you know, working out and losing weight and doing all these things, I felt like I was getting noticed. And so I took that on as an identity of, okay, if you are that, then you are loved. You are accepted. And so even if I, you know, look back on it now, and I wasn't feeling any of those things, it happened so subconsciously. Lesley Logan 15:25  Yeah, yeah, it really does. It's, you know, like it just starts to, you just, you don't even realize it's happening, because it just starts to get warmer and warmer and warmer and, you know, you like, learn to tolerate it. So I think it's what I'm, what I also am hearing is like the awareness, the self-awareness you have is really amazing. I don't know that a lot of people have that self-awareness, at least at that age, but how cool to be in Italy. Like, my friends, I have not been. I need to go. I know, you guys. Sabrina Magnan 15:54  You're missing out.Lesley Logan 15:54  I'm missing out. But y'all, most of you haven't been to Southeast Asia, so I don't, like, you know. So I'll get to the places everyone's been to, you know, eventually, but I've only heard good things, and as someone who can't tolerate gluten, I've also heard I could there. So I'm, like, you have no idea, like, I am ready. But, um, you know, I think to go back into, like, navigating, like, some, like, some of our self-talk, it takes a lot of awareness. Like, how did you even, as you said, like, I started to look at what my self-talk was. Like, what did that, what does that look like? So as the recovering perfectionist, overachiever, I'm like, okay, did you have a journal? Did you like, oh, I've had a thought. Did you write it down? Like, what? Like, how do you evaluate this? How do you be aware of what your self-talk is? Sabrina Magnan 16:38  Yeah, so I actually didn't journal until probably around five to six years ago. And so there was that Italy period, and then I came back, and there was about two years of like, really, like, messiness where I was trying to figure things out, and I was still kind of going back and forth. And then the pandemic hit, and I was in France at the time, I was living in France, and I come back to live at my parents' house because there's so much going on. And I remember I had to do two weeks of quarantine because I was coming back from Europe. And those two weeks when I got back from Europe, I was really, really shaken up, because living in Europe during the beginning of the pandemic was extremely, extremely scary, and I spent those two weeks so angry, angry at the world, angry at my parents, which they were being so lovely letting me come back to live with them, angry at myself, just like pure anger. And I remember there was a Dean Graziosi, like, ad that popped up on my computer, and it was like a two-week happiness challenge. Now at that point, I was like, I had never done personal development before. I had never worked on myself before. And I said what do I have to lose? And so some of it was like these small action items every day, and they were things that I had never done before that made me extremely uncomfortable, like sending a gratitude message to five people in my life. And at the time, I really took this on from my dad. I held everyone at arm's length. I wasn't vulnerable, I wasn't myself. I didn't know who I was. I always just had a wall because it was a way to protect myself. So I was like, I'm gonna go all in and I'm just gonna dedicate myself to doing this, because I feel horrible right now and some of that was. Lesley Logan 18:40  So you're alone for two weeks. What else do you have to do? Like you're. Sabrina Magnan 18:44  I have nothing to lose. Lesley Logan 18:46  It could go really fast or it could go real slow. Sabrina Magnan 18:49  Yeah. So I took out my journal, and I started doing the gratitudes, and, you know, thinking about positive things about myself, and what I noticed is this actually feels really good. It feels good to take these small actions. One of them was I started hugging my parents every morning. My we don't do physical touch in my family, and so when I told them, like, hey, I'm gonna do something for the next month where I'm gonna hug you every morning, they were like, okay, and they started loving it. And so we got so close during that time, and it was through these small, little steps that it was like kind of using like a hammer, and just getting closer and closer to understanding who am I at my core. Like, without all of these learned programs and these things that I've put up in my life in order to protect myself, like, who am I actually? And when I thought about kind of letting go of this identity of the person who's always complaining, very negative, you know, a lot of self-deprecating humor. It made me really uncomfortable to think about becoming a person who is happy and genuine and positive, and when I noticed, like, why am I feeling so uncomfortable at the thought of becoming a like, better, happier version of myself? That goes back to the same thing that happened in Italy. If this is making you uncomfortable, it means that you should go after it.Lesley Logan 20:30  I like that. I think that's really cool. I think that's like, I think we were talking about it this morning, you guys, it's been a day, but yeah, like, it's like, just, you know, what, getting comfortable with discomfort and like, and sometimes discomfort is unfamiliar, but it's also like, oh, I kind of like this. I kind of like, you know, I'm sure those first hugs with your family were weird. Sabrina Magnan 20:53  So weird. Lesley Logan 20:54  And slightly uncomfortable. And you could have just like, okay, I'm not gonna do it tomorrow. It was too weird. But you kind of were like, yeah, but this could make me feel really good, like, I'm gonna try that again, you know. So I think that's really cool. So what a, what a life being in France. We were in Cambodia at the start of pandemic. We came back. Nothing had shut down. Actually, as we flew in, L.A. shut down. So like, so thank goodness for a dog sitter and who went grocery shopping for us while we were flying. I was like, can you please make sure there's food? Like, we're coming back, it shut down. Like, what are we doing? You know, so, but we didn't have to, we quarantined together in our own home. So I understand, like there's so much uncertainty you're coming back, and then it's like, what am I even doing here? This, I can understand being angry, like you were, obviously, living in France for a reason. Like, sounds amazing. How did all of this help, like, make you, did you change your life in a different way? Did you start manifesting, like, what came next? Because, you know, my goodness, it's, it feels like a lot has happened in a short period of time, but also, like, four or five years. So it's also, like a lot, not a long period of time, but decent amount of time. Sabrina Magnan 22:07  Yeah. So, really, what I started doing that year is instead of letting life just happen to me, right, like, be a victim of my consequences, and just like, have all these things come into my life and just be like, I guess, like, things just happen to you, like, bad things happen. I started getting intentional about, okay, what do I want to create? And I really started looking at my life as like a book and just scripting like, okay, what do I want my life to look like? And so I would write it in the present moment, and I would just be like, I'm dating this person. I'm living here. I'm doing this with my business, and I would write them, and I would get my emotions involved, and I would also think, like, how do I want to feel about myself? Because you have to be intentional about the person you want to become, because if you don't, you're just going to keep repeating the same person that you were yesterday. I think science shows that like 80% of your thoughts are the same as the ones that you had yesterday.Lesley Logan 23:07  I know. I still want to know how they figured that out, but I believe it. I mean, like, it's true, but also, like, who sat down into that?Sabrina Magnan 23:15  Who? How? How did you count how many thoughts that we have? Lesley Logan 23:18  Also, we have like, 60,000 thoughts, or something ridiculous, we have a lot of thoughts, and 80% of them are repetitive, yes.Sabrina Magnan 23:26  Yeah. And the vast majority of them are negative, because you're constantly looking out for threats, like we have a negativity bias. And so I really got curious as to, like, okay, if I could literally have a magic wand and create the life that I want, free of limitations, free of what I think is possible, what would that look like? And so I would just write that down every day, and I would start to live in and live into it. And at the time, I had no experience with like manifesting and getting intentional. And what I started noticing is like, oh, these things are actually starting to come into my life, and I'm getting more good things, and I would get evidence that this is possible for you. It's not just something that you're writing down in your journal, like you're writing them down and then you're being intentional about taking those actions, like, it's not just saying I want a red car and then just crossing your fingers that a red car is going to come into your life. I remember about like, two or three years in, I decided, okay, I'm ready to meet my person. I wasn't in a rush to do it. I wasn't like desperate to do it. I actually really liked being single. But every time that I would date someone, and, you know, things wouldn't work out after that, what I would do is I would write down what was it that I liked about them, what did I feel was missing, and what exactly do I want the next person to be like, and, most importantly, like, how do I want to feel with them? It wasn't like they need to have this job and make this amount of money, but it was like, I remember one of the big things is I want to feel like a priority. I want to feel like you feel special to be with me. And I think I dated two or three people before I met my now partner, and I have the paper that I wrote down after the guy that I dated right before Luke. And it's like, it's insane. It's spot on of like, this is, this is exactly who I'm dating now. Lesley Logan 25:43  Yeah, yeah, I actually really like, I like the way you did it, it's like, it's not about, okay, they have to make this much money, and they need to be six feet tall, and they have to be emotionally available and all this stuff that, like, it's like, how do I want to feel in this relationship? You know, how do I want to be treated? Like, how is this? And then that way your brain is actually seeking out, like, knows what to look for. You know, you're like, spotting. You're like, oh, that's that thing I wanted. I wanted that. It's right there. That's, that's a, that's really cool. Okay, we have had manifest people, like, talk about manifestation on the podcast before, but everyone has like a different way of doing it. So even if it's like, new to you, like, what are some, what are some of the ways that you've manifested, and what else have you manifested? Because I think, some people think, oh, manifesting is like the secret. I just proclaim it and it comes. I believe it takes action. It sounds like you do too, because you took some action. So what are some of your other ways of manifesting things?Sabrina Magnan 26:37  Yeah, great question. So I would say that one of the biggest things is just get clear. Obviously, get clear on what you want and to start putting your energy towards it. So for example, Luke and I are manifesting a dog for spring of 2025, and we don't know if we're going to be able to have a dog in our current apartment, and so we just keep, we just keep acting as if it's already happened. And that's the biggest thing, I would say, is act as if you already have it, be the person who already has it. So there's a lot of goals that I'm manifesting in my business, for example. And a lot of people think, okay, once I hit that goal, then I will feel this, this, this, then I will be this, this, this. But it's so backwards, because first you have to be that person. You have to match the frequency of the thing that you want to achieve. So I think, okay, a person who has this revenue goal, this amount of clients, how do they act on a daily basis? What are they doing in their business? Because this is going to help me get clarity on, okay, is that person still taking care of these actions in their business? No, they're delegating. So let me start delegating, making space for it now, and start taking those actions to make myself ready to receive those goals. Lesley Logan 28:10  Yes, yes. That's be it till you see it right there, everyone, that's how you do it. You have to like, you can't like, oh, once I get the promotion, then I'll be a kinder boss or a better leader? No, you have to be the better, you have to act like the better leader now, what would a better leader do? Can't be like once I do this, then I'll have this, or once I, once I get a day off, then I'll, then I'll take time for myself. Go take time for yourself each day, even if it's five minutes like, you won't know what to do with yourself. You won't. It will feel very unfamiliar, and it will feel very uneasy, and it won't give you the confidence you need if you wait, you know you'll feel like an imposter, for sure. Sabrina Magnan 28:45  And the brain that you have leading up to that goal is going to be the exact same brain that you have when you have that goal. It's not just going to switch overnight, like, oh, now I think differently, and now I act differently. Like, everything, all of my problems have been solved.Lesley Logan 29:01  Yeah, that's true. That's very true. What are your favorite ways to kind of like, help your brain be comfortable with some of these changes you make? Because I think that's the hardest thing. Like your brain is like, this feels unsafe. It's unsafe for me to do it that way. I want to do it this way. That isn't helping me, but it's comfortable. Sabrina Magnan 29:19  Oh my God, that's such a good question, because right now I'm like, stepping into a new timeline, stepping into new goals. And I did notice that, and I was talking to my coach about it. When I think about the goal logically, I'm like, It's possible. I want it. But when I noticed and I tapped into my body, I was like, there's some resistance here. And I think that a lot of people actually experience that. They say that they want a goal, but if they actually tap into what's going on in their nervous system and what's going on in their bodies, there's like, there's a disconnect there. And if there's a disconnect, it means that something subconsciously, or some things, multiple things, don't feel safe around that goal. Don't feel safe around chasing that thing. So when I really sat down with it, what I'll typically do is I'll just ask my heart, like, all right, where are you, where are you feeling a block? Like, what feels unsafe about this? And then I'll write it down. And what I'll often notice is that it's not just one thing, like, there's multiple things that come into play. I remember a few years ago, I thought, if I make more money, then my friends are going to, they're not going to be around me, like my friend, my family's not going to want to be around me, which is, it's not necessarily a belief that's based in truth, but we create these beliefs because it just, something about it doesn't feel safe. And so what I like to do is I like to write things down. What are all of these different things that I'm feeling resistance around? And then I start to pick at all of them. All right? Is this true? What about this is true? Is it true 100% of the time, and sometimes you do need to do some nervous system regulation. Like, sometimes what I'll do is I'll say a belief out loud, and I'll take a few deep breaths to make it feel safe to actually hold on to this belief, to really like, the biggest thing is like, I get my body involved, because most of the time my brain's on board, right? Like, most of the time, people are like, I have these goals. I have these ambitions. Your brain is on board, but your nervous system is not necessarily feeling safe around it.Lesley Logan 31:31  Yes, yes, yes. I think so. I agree with that, and I think that's really helpful. It's kind of just like asking those questions and tapping into it. And I think writing is a really good way, even if you can't read your writing, guys, like me, like just writing it out, because we tend to let more information come out. I would do morning pages, which is my if, whenever I journal it's gonna be morning pages, just gonna be a brain dump, because all you're like, whoa I didn't even know that was in there. That was in there. Oh, noted, you know, like, it's, how long has that been sitting there? No wonder I'm feeling anxious. So I think that's really, really important. It's really key. What are you most excited about right now, besides this 2025 puppy?Sabrina Magnan 32:09  Oh, I mean, that's probably at the top of my list, honestly, if I'm I was never a dog person until probably two years ago, when I started dating my boyfriend. And now I am like, I've, everyday, I'm like, okay, so, are you ready? Are you ready to have our dog, yet? So I would say my dog is up there. I've got a bunch of weddings from people that I really care about that are coming up in the next month, which I'm really excited to celebrate and love on. And I have some really awesome projects coming into my business for the next six months to expand, impact more people. So those are the things that I'm really looking forward to. Lesley Logan 32:47  That's so fun. If you want a dog, like a puppy fix, a dog fix and it will be hard, I'm not saying it's going to be easy, but one of the things that we, my husband and I used to do in L.A. is we actually used to walk dogs that were in the shelter, and because we couldn't take them, we had two already, so we were, we were done, but I would just see all these dogs up for adoption, these puppies up for adoption, and you can literally, like, go take them for a walk, and they, when they get out, they're wearing a sign that says, I'm available to be adopted. So you're, like, getting them out to be adopted. You're getting your dog fix. You get to practice what it's like to, like, have a dog out in public, and like, how to handle it and all those things. But also you could just take it back and like, you know. So I, one of my favorite things, you can also read to dogs in the shelter. You can cuddle with them. So like, I highly recommend, like, getting cozy with one. There was one that had a vet that was next to my Pilates studio. And so they would just text me, like, hey, there's a dog that's at the vet today. Can you take him out? Because the veterinarians obviously don't do that kind of stuff. And so I would go and take the dogs for a walk. That was what I did. And I just would love up on them and give them all this love and like, help them like, you know, not feel like they're in the shelter. It was so, it was so fun. And who knows, I'll probably do that again. The other thing you can, like, for, there's this one person who like is training for a marathon. So he would actually run like, 20 different dogs in the shelter every day, and he'd run them for a mile-ish, and so he could get his like he could get different lengths of running in and get the dogs to exercise. So it's just something like you can do, obviously, in the winter in Canada, no, but now it's nice.Sabrina Magnan 34:34  Here's the problem. I know that my boyfriend would never let me go, because he always says, if you go to a shelter, I know that you're coming home with a puppy, like, there's no way, if they have a little sign that says open for adoption.Lesley Logan 34:48  I promise you won't. Here's why. Your apartment won't let you and most shelters need to see the lease that says you have, you can have a dog, so they're not going to let you take the dog home like it is. I promise you, you're in a safe like you, they won't, they won't let you take a dog that they're afraid they're gonna get back. So you will be fine.Sabrina Magnan 35:08  Hilarious. Lesley Logan 35:09  All right, we'll take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you, or work with you.Lesley Logan 35:14  All right. Sabrina, where do you like to hang out? Where can people connect more with you if what you have resonated with them?Sabrina Magnan 35:21  Yeah. So if you like to listen to podcasts, which I'm sure that you do, you can head over to my podcast, which is called the Live Unrestricted podcast, which, Lesley, you're going to be a guest on, which I'm so excited about. And you can also find me on Instagram @sabrinamagnanhealth. I have a coaching program called Food Freedom Academy. So if you are struggling with your relationship with food and your body, reach out, connect. I'd love to talk to you. Lesley Logan 35:47  I love it. That is so fun. Yes, you guys, I was interviewed on her podcast. We talked about habits and breaking them, and I think you'll really like it. So you've given us some great tips already, manifestation, like, self-talk. But for those perfectionist, recovering overachievers, those people who are like, okay, what's next, Sabrina? Those we want some bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? Sabrina Magnan 36:10  We're talking about actionable things. So I would say, honestly, the first place to start is take out a piece of paper and have two different columns. And one is what I like to write, the old me, and then I'll put down the thoughts, the emotions and the actions that I want to leave behind. And a lot of this we've talked about self-talk. It could be the way that you talk to yourself, right? I'm such a failure. I can never stick to anything. I'm not good enough. Everyone is so much better than me. Get that down on paper and say, okay, that's, I'm bringing my awareness to this. So every time that I notice that that thought starts to pop up, I know we're not doing that anymore. And then on the second side of the paper could be the future me, and that's what you're going to replace those thoughts, those emotions and those actions with. Because what this really does is it helps you pinpoint those things that you want to bring to your conscious awareness. Because, as we said, before, these things happen unconsciously, they are on autopilot. You've been practicing them so many times that you don't have to think about speaking negatively to yourself. You've gone really, really good at it. So we need to interrupt that automatic pattern. We need to bring it up to our conscious awareness and decide we're not doing that anymore, and we are going to take the actions necessary in order to reframe into something different.Lesley Logan 37:40  Yes, I love that. Thank you for that. What a great tip. That's a great thing to do. You guys, how are you going to use these tips in your life? Make sure you tag Sabrina. Tag the Be It Pod. Send this to a friend who needs to hear it. There's always that friend who, like, you know, has been struggling and maybe telling you, like, I'm struggling with this, you know, I'm struggling with just being a perfectionist or like taking the next step or acting as if, if this resonates with you, it'll resonate with them. So send it to a friend and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 38:10  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 38:52  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 38:57  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 39:02  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 39:09  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 39:12  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Lesley Logan kicks off this episode with a tribute to trailblazer Shirley Chisholm, setting the tone for a reflection on choosing your own path—especially when things feel chaotic. From restarting a business in a new country to finishing 15 months of self-growth, Lesley celebrates wins from the community that show the power of persistence. She also shares her own win—making a major business decision from a place of clarity, not pressure. If you've been chasing someone else's timeline, this episode is a gentle nudge to pause and realign with what's right for you. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How choosing a pause can lead to clarity.Why honoring your own timeline matters.What real success looks like—even when it's messy.The strength in staying consistent and trusting the process.Episode References/Links:Shirley Chisholm Biography - https://beitpod.com/shirleychisholm If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:48  Hi, Be It babe. How are you? How's it going? We're like, midway through this April month, we're cruising right along. There's a lot going on and I love that you are taking time in the chaos to listen to this podcast. It doesn't grow without you. Every time you listen, every time you download, you are helping other people hear this podcast as well. So it's inspiration episode, and I want to highlight this Female Quotient post Shirley Chisholm was the first black woman elected to Congress, the first black woman to run for president, and an example for generations to come. Shirley Chisholm was a force of change in American politics as the first black woman elected to Congress in 1968 and the first woman and first black candidate to seek the Democratic presidential nomination in 1972. She shattered barriers as she fought for racial and gender equality. Even decades later, she continues to inspire others to bring that folding chair to tables that may not save them a seat. Definitely a trailblazer. And I would say, if you haven't ever read about her, she is absolutely, really worthy of listening to something about and just diving in because this woman faced so many obstacles, not just because she was a woman, but she was a black woman, and she made a chair for herself, and she kept doing it and she's an inspiration for everyone, and also not letting people who had weird rules about what she couldn't, can and can't do, stop her from realizing a dream and raising that path. And so I just share that with you, because when there's a lot going on in the world, it can kind of feel like, what does my goal even matter? Why am I even doing this? Does it even matter? And the truth is, is that maybe 50 years down the road, we're gonna be looking back at the things that you did, because you were an impact for people who needed it. And if what you do is going to help others, then you gotta talk about it. You gotta do it. You cannot let people and obstacles and rules hold you back. Cannot. And so anyways, I hope that you know a lot about Shirley, but if you don't go research her, she'll blow your mind. Lesley Logan 2:43  Okay, your wins. So, we have Sonia. She's an eLevate grad and agency member. She wrote, the last six months have been a huge whirlwind of emotions, stress, happiness, physically and mentally exhausting, but also exciting and full of hope and happiness. After moving country, we finally bought a new home. We moved in this week. While there's been a lot of work, it's also super exciting. We're already talking about plans to build a home studio so I can restart my business here. It will take some time and at quite a cost, but in the long run, will be worth it. Oh, and I also scored myself some part time contract to work at a beautiful physio-Pilates studio, teaching just three mornings a week. The setup is similar to a Joe's gym. Everyone has their own program, and I'm there just to queue, adjust, advise. I went to observe one class. It was so nice to be being background equipment and people who love it as much as I do. And since doing eLevate, I was desperate to get in and change things. Haha. Although very aware I need to do this slowly and cautiously. So my win is for an exciting and busy 2025 getting my home and my business up and running. Sonia, it's so fun. I mean, I can't believe how long you've lived in your new country. And you know, I know that finding a home was just taking forever, and it kind of probably felt like you, when were you gonna find something. So, I'm just so happy that you and your family have that. But also, I want to say for everyone listening, you hear a win, and you don't realize all the emotions that went into that win. And so I love that Sonia shared these emotions that go into this win, because it isn't all unicorns and sparkly rainbows. And so you have to really, actually celebrate what is happening and what is in your control, and how that can make the year possible, even if it feels like it started off slow, right? Lesley Logan 4:22  MelissaYNagai, she has been an agency member since day one, and she wrote, 15 months of getting online every Tuesday and Thursday morning for a course is complete. I don't know what I'm going to do with myself now. Probably a good time to do Pilates. Today is my last day of teaching for the holidays. I start back up on January 6. I had my best year ever. So obviously, we're celebrating Melissa four months after her best year ever. But can we just take a moment? Do you ever end a year realizing all that you did do? And I can tell you, because I know Melissa, and we work with her a lot, it wasn't like everything went perfectly this year. She had a lot of ups and downs, and with that, she stayed the course. She was consistent. She had her best year ever, and she did that while she poured into herself and her education. So my loves, where can you pour into yourself and where can you take time to reflect on what you did do? Congratulations, Melissa. You have been working so hard year after year. You always beat yourself, but I love that was your best year ever, and I love how you feel good and that you're taking a break as one should, or that you did take a break as one should, because we all need breaks. Lesley Logan 5:26  And that's my win. Last week, Brad and I took a big break. We had a crazy end of February, beginning of March, lot going on, and I had a big decision to make about one of our products for 2026 and I had told the team that I would make the decision around this time, and I really was like, you cannot pressure me. I need you just to wait. I'll tell you around this date, because I want to make sure that I'm not making the decision based on income. I'm not making the decision based on pressure, based on letting people down, that I'm making the decision based on what is right for me, because what is right for me will be right for the company. And so I'm really celebrating that we took a weekend off, even though we had a million things that we could be doing, and that I made a decision from a pause, because there's power in a pause, and I made a decision based on what was right for me, and then everyone, and not on pressure of what's expected of me, and that's really not easy to do as a recovering perfectionist and overachiever and a firstborn daughter. So help that win inspires you. Take a weekend off, guys, if you want to know, we actually plan one weekend every quarter is off, like it's just like Friday to Monday, it's off. And I prefer it to not be a holiday weekend, because we would get a holiday weekend off anyways. So I want a, I want a different weekend. I want a different weekend. Lesley Logan 6:45  All right, your mantra. My energy gets wasted when I invest in winning anyone's game but my own. My energy gets wasted when I invest in winning anyone's game but my own. My loves, invest in yourself. Thank you for listening to this podcast that goes in the investment bucket of inspiration for you and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 7:11  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 7:53  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 7:58  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 8:03  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 8:10  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 8:13  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Jose Acevedo didn't set out to be a storyteller—but life had other plans. In this insightful recap, Lesley and Brad reflect on his deep commitment to community, the unexpected lessons of fatherhood, and how honoring your roots can guide your purpose. Tune in for a powerful reminder that connection is built one story—and one step—at a time. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:What to actually use (or substitute) when starting Pilates at home.Why storytelling is essential for culture and connection.How fatherhood reshaped Jose's mission and mindset.The value of flexible goals and steady routines.How legacy is built through small, meaningful actions.Episode References/Links:April UK Mullet Tour - https://opc.me/ukSpring Pilates Training - https://opc.me/eventsPilates Studio Growth Accelerator - https://prfit.biz/acceleratorCambodia October 2025 Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comFinding Arizona Website - https://findingarizonapodcast.comFinding Arizona Podcast - https://beitpod.com/findingarizonaFinding Arizona YouTube - https://beitpod.com/findingarizonayoutubeEp. 499 wit Kristen McGuiness - https://beitpod.com/kristenmcguinessEp. 5 with Amy Ledin - https://beitpod.com/amyledin If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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But I also think, like, don't get discouraged when you find yourself noodling in on the goal and the deadline gets moved, it doesn't mean you failed, right? Lesley Logan 0:13  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:56  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the inspirational convo I had with Jose Acevedo. I wanted to say, like defining convo, or the journey, a discovery, because, I mean, like that, he's the host of Finding Arizona, and that kind of just makes sense. But anyways, he's so fabulous, and it was such a fun conversation. You were on it? Yeah. We had a great time. Brad Crowell 1:20  No, no, I was on his. Lesley Logan 1:21  Oh, you were on. I was like, how are you recapping? You were there, but anyways, you were on his with me. Got it. I'm here, you guys. I, we had a really good time. So you want to listen to that episode and also listen to episode Brad and I were on with Finding Arizona, but. Brad Crowell 1:37  Which was his episode 435. Why do I know that? Great question, but I do.Lesley Logan 1:43  Wow. That is, I don't know, like 435. So you guys, before we get into Jose's amazingness. Today is April 17th 2025 and it's the International Day of Mastering Conversations That Matter. Okay. Brad Crowell 1:55  That's what it is. Lesley Logan 1:56  Let's all learn this together, folks. International Day of Mastering Conversations That Matter is on April 17th, I just said that, but it's okay. Important conversations are the reason why humanity stands where it is today. The ability to communicate is what separates us from all other species in the world. The advancements in medical science and technology testify to what humans are capable of. All these achievements can be traced back to an idea, an idea that was shared, discussed and debated. Important conversations have helped build empires from scratch, and the lack of them has resulted in their fall. Not just empires, but relationships tend to break apart with poor communication. It is important for the survival of the human race to constantly share ideas and bridge gaps. It is important to learn and discuss things in the past so that we have a better tomorrow. Well.Brad Crowell 2:39  So, I couldn't agree more. International Day of Mastering Conversations That Matter. Lesley Logan 2:44  I know but we, you know what? Whoever invented this day, you better go buy a platform so that the other ideas people might want to control actually can come to the top of an algorithm. That's all I'm going to say about that. Brad Crowell 2:57  No, I'm not. I'm going to say a whole lot more. So I'm frustrated that we stop sharing information as a country, especially when it comes to health and medical research. I'm frustrated that. Lesley Logan 3:08  I was gonna say that our country has done a really good job sharing things they shouldn't share, so. Brad Crowell 3:12  Right. They're fucking texting war plans to reporters, but they're not willing to share information among hospitals so that they can make the right flu vaccine. It's mind blowing to me. And the reality is that when we stop sharing medical information with the rest of the world with an isolationist policy, we are putting ourselves at risk, because the next pandemic, we might not have any forewarning, because since we're not sharing information with them, they're certainly not going to share information with us. Lesley Logan 3:38  People have already just said they, you can't share with us anymore, because you can't trust that we'll do the right thing with it.Brad Crowell 3:43  Well, that's with spy stuff, but like, healthcare stuff, don't we want to know if there's something coming? Don't we want to know these things? And I think that when we wall ourselves off, when we think that we're better than the rest of the world and that we're going to be better off by pretending the rest of the world doesn't exist, we're deluding ourselves. Lesley Logan 3:58  Yeah, I think every Be It listener is like nodding along. I mean, I don't think you listen to this podcast if you think people should be deported who are just here living. Anyway. Brad Crowell 4:07  Well, so, so honestly, how do we fix this? Like, how do we. Lesley Logan 4:10  Okay, do we have steps? Brad Crowell 4:12  Yeah, we do. And the reality is, if you're in the United States with us, we live in a representative republic. We call it democracy. But the reality is, we don't get to vote every day, you and I as normal citizens, we voted for someone to go to the Congress for us, to represent us, to vote for us. And they vote all the time. They vote on things all the time on our behalf, right? And the only way that we have any power right now between the election cycles where we vote those people in or out, such as the president of the United States, or our congressperson or house of representatives person, the only way that we have power today is to call them and to make sure they know what we think. Right? It's the only power that we have until the elections come back around. And that's the best possible thing that you can do, is to make it known to the people who represent us what we care about, right? The more of us that call and contact our reps, the better, because the reality is that.Lesley Logan 5:07  Whether you voted for them or not, they work for you. Brad Crowell 5:10  That's right, whether you voted for them or not, they work for you, and especially if you're in their district or their region, right? If you're in their state, if they're the senator, then they represent the whole state. The house also represents the whole state, but local, there's local governments as well. Lesley Logan 5:22  But you, just because you didn't, if you were like, I think my person's an asshole, you should still be a nail in their, thorn on their side, a thorn on their side, a nail and a thorn on their side the same time. Also, you guys, go to city council meetings like a handful of assholes go, and you can be there to be the person. So I also wanted to say. Brad Crowell 5:39  That's more local, but yes, absolutely. Lesley Logan 5:41  I'm getting this woman on the pod. Just don't you worry, I'm so fucking, I'm a fan girl and a fan girl. She's so smart. I'm not lesbian, but this girl is so smart, if I was, I'd want to learn from her every day. Anyways, her podcast is called Unlearn16: Class is in Session. Her wife, she's got a wife, but I'm not trying to get in on this. But I was listening to her. Lesley Logan 5:59  I don't think any of us were assuming that. Okay. Lesley Logan 6:01  I was listening to her podcast, because it came up and I was like, okay, class is in session. That's how it goes. I was and I would listen to it, and I was like, oh, I kind of know about democracy stuff. No, you guys, you guys. She lays out what is a democracy. She explains it for Canada and the U.S., and she explains what are the pillars that create one? What has to be in there? To me, going on a conversation that matter, I think you have to actually know what a true democracy is, to actually have a conversation with someone who's trying to take things away. And so her episode that came out today, not today, when you're listening, a month ago, but though it's called The One Where I Make Democracy Behind the Scenes. I love her titles. They're all like that. So it's Unlearned16: Class is in Session, fuck yeah, The One Where I Make Democracy Behind the Scenes, I learned a ton, and she's a Canadian High School teacher, so clearly my teachers didn't do great job. But that's okay. I think it goes with the topic. Okay. Brad Crowell 6:53  All right, moving on. Lesley Logan 6:54  Go have a conversation that matters. Brad Crowell 6:55  Thank you for listening. I'm gonna get off my soapbox here. Here's what we've got coming up on our travel schedule. Lesley Logan 7:02  Right now. Brad Crowell 7:03  You're currently, Lesley is currently gone from our house. She's recording from the stars. Lesley Logan 7:08  I know, I'm like living it up in Santa Barbara.Brad Crowell 7:11  She's in Santa Barbara, y'all.Lesley Logan 7:11  I'm at the beach. I'm filming for Pilates Anytime again. Thank you to everyone at Pilates Anytime who loves my stuff. We got a bunch of classes coming at you. I'm really excited for what we have with Pilates Anytime. And when I come back a few days later and it's spring training.Brad Crowell 7:25  Well, yes, if you are in the U. K. or in the E.U., Lesley and I are coming in September, and we want to make sure you know about it. So go to opc.me/uk, opbc.me/uk, we're going to be teaching in the UK. It's just a short flight for those of you who are across the pond there. I mean, the channel, really. Lesley Logan 7:44  Which pond? Brad Crowell 7:45  Yeah, the channel. Lesley Logan 7:46  You know, people on the East Coast to (inaudible) that is the pond. And also, it is so easy for you. We're doing double.Brad Crowell 7:54  Yeah, six hours, but anyway, y'all should come join us. We don't get there very often, and we're really fired up to be coming back. We're going to be in Leeds and in Essex, and it's gonna be awesome. So come join us on the Mullet Tour, opc.me/uk, and then at the end of this month, Spring Training. That's OPC's Spring Training. It's our first ever annual event for Spring Training. And what is Spring Training?Lesley Logan 8:17  So, Spring Training is kind of like how baseball has a couple weeks of playing each other, and it doesn't really matter. So. Brad Crowell 8:23  Preseason, baby. Lesley Logan 8:24  Preseason. So this is like a Pilates week of spring training. And the theme this week for this one is The Push-Up. And so we're planking, and we're talking about it, but all the classes are going to be around building up your push-up, which, by the way, Joe put at the end of the mat order. So,why? You could stand up and walk away from your practice and be really awesome and top. So it's really cool. Everything's going to lead gonna lead to that. You don't have to be a Pilates enthusiast to even join us. There's a mat ticket, so meaning you just go to the mat classes, because that's all you have access to, is some room on your floor. And then there's an all access ticket, which gets you the 10 classes. And that will be mat, reformer, tower, Cadillac, chair. Obviously, if you only have a reformer or mat, you still want the all access that's gonna be at the six, the price is so cheap, you won't, you don't even need to worry that you don't have the other pieces of equipment. Brad Crowell 9:08  But here's what you do want. We're gonna make it even more reasonable if you're on the waitlist so that you can get that really bird discount. So go to opc.me/events, opc.me/events, come join us. It's gonna be a heck of a party. We're doing that this year instead of Summer Camp, okay? Lesley Logan 9:26  Because we're doing summer tours and winter tours, and we needed a different season. Brad Crowell 9:30  Yeah, we wanted a different season. So, if you are a Pilates business owner in any way, meaning you're taking money from anyone for any reason, whether that's in your home or in the park, or you have a studio. If you are the one that's actually taking the money from a client, you're technically a business owner. So come join us for a free webinar where we're gonna help support you with the growth of that business. We're gonna help you understand, how do I get more clients? How do I raise my rates? How does it all work? Like, how do we actually make this happen? This is for brand new people. It's also for people who've had like a studio for 20 years with a major team, because we kind of just stumble our way through this. There wasn't anybody guiding us. And Lesley and I have had the chance over the past seven years to stand alongside more than 2500 business owners, just like you, and go through the mud with them, try to figure out the problems that they're experiencing, problem clients or problem lease holders, or my insurance or my marketing is terrible. I don't have any people coming in. My phone stopped ringing. My website isn't bringing clients. All these kinds of things. We've had the opportunity to be there right alongside people in trenches, and from that, we've pulled three major secrets that we want to share with you. So come join me for this free webinar. Go to prfit.biz/accelerator. That's profit without the O dot B-I-Z slash accelerator. And finally.Lesley Logan 10:50  We're going to Cambodia in October, and we want you to come. Do not pass go. Just go straight to crowsnestretreats.com and snag your spot. Stay at our house, do Pilates with us, go see the temples of Ankor and all the other ones that are surrounding it that most people don't see. They fly all the way there and they don't see it. They just go on by. They don't even see it. We're gonna take you there. And we're gonna go to Lotus Farm and do all these different things.Brad Crowell 11:10  Actually, this upcoming one, y'all, we have a new temple that, that's not new for them, but a new one for Lesley and I. It's a new temple they built last week. Brad Crowell 11:19  New thousand-year-old temple. Brad Crowell 11:21  Lesley and I've never been to this temple, and I was, we were driving by it in our retreat earlier this year, and I asked our tour guide, like, hey, what's the story with this temple? How come we always skip it? And she said, we just run out of time. But let's make this a priority. So in October, this upcoming October, we're going to be adding one more temple to the list that Lesley and I haven't even visited. I'm very excited. I'm like, super, super excited about it. It's gonna be amazing. Go to crowsnestretreats.com crowsnestretreats.com and make your deposit today, right now, to save your spot, because space is limited. Lesley Logan 11:54  Okay, we gotta get into the interview with Jose, but before that, we have an audience question, don't we, Brad? Brad Crowell 11:59  Yes. Ilikecats123BB from YouTube asks, hey, do I need any equipment for the mat Pilates classes on OPC other than the mat?Lesley Logan 12:11  I love this question, because I think it's really easy to think, oh my God, I'm gonna have to have all these different things to get started in Pilates. Most of the props that someone could use in a Pilates mat class you can use from your house. So I even create it for the accessories deck. So technically, no, you can do mat Pilates without anything. Joe created it. So you just need you and your mat. And if you want to invest in your Pilates practice, like the mat is where I'm a, with the OPC episode that's coming out, everyone's like, I'm a mat rat. I'm like, okay, we need to come up with a different animal. I don't want to be a mat rat, but like, we were all like, I'm a mat rat. I only love the mat. So anyway, if that's who you are, you might want to invest eventually in a Contrology mat with handles and a strap, because it does change your practice, especially for the advanced exercises. But if you're never going overhead, you don't need to make that investment. So you technically don't need anything. However, one pound weights, a squishy ball, like a fitness ball, you let the air out of in a magic circle, and a heavy duty TheraBand, those things. Brad Crowell 13:08  How about a block? Lesley Logan 13:10  Ah, no, the squishy ball.Brad Crowell 13:12  Squishy ball instead of block. Lesley Logan 13:13  It's not yoga. Brad Crowell 13:14  Got it. Lesley Logan 13:14  Yeah. No. You use the squishy ball because you'd put the block between your ankles, and it's not gonna be as fun as a squishy ball. They just squish, it would be really great. So. Brad Crowell 13:21  But what if you don't have one pound weights? Lesley Logan 13:23  You can use water bottles. Brad Crowell 13:24  What? Fill it with water? Lesley Logan 13:26  And if you don't have.Brad Crowell 13:27  Or like beans? Lesley Logan 13:29  You can use beans, just make sure the same beans, you know, like.  Brad Crowell 13:31  I got tomato in here, I got apple seeds in here. Lesley Logan 13:32  I had a client using two beers, you know, two cans of beers. And I was like, just put it back in the fridge after you're done. You're not gonna want to open those up. Brad Crowell 13:39  That's brilliant. Lesley Logan 13:39  Yeah, just make sure they're the same product, so that the weight of them is the same. But one pound is what we're going for. If you don't have a TheraBand, you can use an old pair of leggings. If you don't have a squishy ball, you can use a couch cushion or a dog's toy, kid's toy. Your kids probably have a ball that you could let some air out of. You know, a magic circle. That's the harder one. You kind of do have to buy that, but there's so many cheap ones now it's pretty easy to grab one of those. Brad Crowell 14:02  Yeah, totally. Well, awesome. Great question, Ilikecats. Lesley Logan 14:05  By the way, if you go to onlinepilatesclasses.com you can join OPC for 40 days for $40 and guess what? You can experience several weeks of mat classes of ours. You can ask questions. You can send in a video of you doing a mat exercise, and I'll give you feedback on your form.Brad Crowell 14:18  Okay, I just want to take a super quick pause, and I want to call this out. There is no other platform on the Internet where you can submit a specific video of you saying what am I doing here, am I doing it right, and get feedback from certified Pilates instructors. There's no other place online, okay? So OPC has something that is magical that not enough people take advantage of. So come join OPC, and then if you're struggling with an exercise, no problem. We are here to support you. We excludes me. I'm not a certified Pilates instructor. Lesley Logan 14:53  And I give you like other things that you can do. I'm like, oh, go grab this and go do it like this. And so you just have more homework. It's really like having a private session for nothing, you pay nothing. You just be a member.Brad Crowell 15:04  Well, stick around. We're gonna be right back. We're gonna dig into this fantastic convo we had with Jose Acevedo and Finding Arizona. BRB. Brad Crowell 15:13  All right, welcome back. Let's talk about Jose Acevedo. Jose is the host of finding Arizona, a podcast spotlighting entrepreneurs, creators and leaders, shaping Arizona's local landscape. Driven by a genuine love for connection and community, he provides guests with a welcoming platform to share their journeys in their own words. What began as a screen printing passion project ultimately drew Jose into podcasting where he found his true calling, giving people space to tell their stories. Today, he and his wife Britt run the show together, making Finding Arizona a thriving hub for inspiration and local voices. And funny enough, Lesley and I had the opportunity to be interviewed on that podcast, even though we don't live in Arizona, but we actually go to Arizona pretty regularly, a couple times a year, usually. That's where we got a chance to meet them. We were down there speaking at an event. Britt and Jose were also speaking at the same event, and we had a chance to just chit-chat with them off stage. And it was great. And that's how we connected with them. Yeah, Finding Arizona is cool because it's, it really grew organically. And I think. Lesley Logan 16:15  I also think what a great if you're just going to visit Arizona, what a great podcast to go listen to. You can go through the different, they have so many episodes, you can search through it. They're a wealth of knowledge of different local businesses and entrepreneurs and really supportive. And I think that's what makes you want to go to a place. It's like when you can know the insiders spaces to go, the coffee shops, the pizza restaurants, all that kind of stuff, like, who's doing what? Just think it's really, really impressive. I love that our conversation with Jose, I think he's, first of all, the nicest person. I think he might be the softest, but I don't mean soft like he doesn't have about, I just mean like, his energy is soft, his voice is soft, like, he's just endearing. I really enjoy him. So anyways, he talked about storytelling, and he said, like, what it can do for society and culture that has been on this earth for so long and has thrived just from hearing these stories and using that as a religion, and that kind of goes into the day that we're kind of celebrating right now, the conversations that matter, so, good job, Brad. And he talked a little bit about his grandfather, an elder in the Hopi community, so we're First Nation, and he got to, in like that community, from what I understand about people who are native, and like they're grandkids of a native, everyone talks about the storytelling, and they learn so much through storytelling. And so I think it's really cool that Jose learned that from his grandfather and from his culture and from his community, and then is using that for other people. So I really enjoyed, I really enjoyed him talking about the importance of storytelling and (inaudible).Brad Crowell 17:44  He talked about how it shapes religion and culture and society, and how he was really impacted by that. And then. Lesley Logan 17:51  I think that's like, one of the things that I wanted to even have him on is not just, let's talk about Finding Arizona, but how do you get into being this person and like that be it till you see it, and it's like, well, I'm starting with storytelling. I wanted to tell the stories. And I just think that that's like, you know, most of us are wondering, like, what we could do at this point, and you could, you could tell stories about experience that have happened in your life and the lives before you. And that's how we learn, and that's how we keep, that's how we keep repeating the past.Brad Crowell 18:14  Yeah, it's how we remember the past too. I mean, it's how you do everything all the way up to sell. It's how you sell these stories. You know, people are captivated by stories. It's why the movie industry is so powerful and big and huge, and podcasts are, you know, like even happening, right? It's all about storytelling. It's fun to see that his excitement for storytelling shaped who he's become today and what he does today. So I really loved where you started talking about fatherhood. He said fatherhood has changed a lot about how I see the world, how I perceive the world, how I go about the world. He said becoming a father shifted his entire perspective on life and his purpose. He wants his son to grow up seeing a world filled with opportunity, with kindness and meaningful conversations. And he shared a story where he said podcasting has affected his family in the perception of even his son is now like, are you gonna go have a conversation? Are you gonna go have a podcast now? You know, and his son's like, three, and so it's helping him share this concept of storytelling with his son, and his son gets to see how much his dad loves to do this and all this kind of stuff. And Jose's approach to work and life has been influenced by this idea of setting a positive example, right? Because now he's intentionally meeting people he doesn't know. He's asking questions, he's being curious, he's demonstrating all these things. Rather than chasing success for personal gain, he sees his work as a way to build a legacy for his son, and he said he wanted him to know that there are good people out there and there's a community that will back him. Lesley Logan 19:47  I mean, we've talked about this before with other women on this show, like we talked about it with Kristen, the episode, I think 500, 501 it's so good for your kids to see you in the world doing the thing that you love, because it lets them know what's possible, but also, like, they do learn from it, they do pick it up, right? Amy Ledine said in her episode five, actions are caught not taught, and so I think it's just really cool. I love that he picked that up and he shared that with everyone. Brad Crowell 20:13  Yeah, well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into Be It Action Items that Jose shared and very heartfelt, so we'll be right back. Brad Crowell 20:22  All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Jose Acevedo? He said t,ry your best to set a big goal, but also make sure that you're taking those routines that are going to help you achieve that big goal, right? Do small steps forward. Also, you have to allow yourself for your goal to shift over time and move, but along the way, you still have to be taking steps, right? Here's a good example. We set a goal to take our physical products and sell them in another country, right? And at first it was like, oh, we have this opportunity. We should do this right now. We gotta go, go, go, go, go, go, go. You know. And someone on our team was like, hey, wait a minute. We have a lot of other things going on. We probably could pull this off. However, what do we do with these other things? Should we be back burning them? And I was like, oh, wait, wait a minute, you know, is it really necessary for us to go, go, go, go, go right now with this thing, or can we delay that launch of that initiative in a time where the team can handle the workload, the marketing calendar is a little more open, we can have a better conversation about it with our customers, and so it still allows us to go after that big goal, but just in a different way. Lesley Logan 21:38  And also we can adjust the routines to make sure that that goal happens, and then talking about it, we actually got to explore like, well, is there another way to achieve this goal, to test the goal, to even experiment with it. So I love big, badass, bodacious goals. BHAGs. Brad Crowell 21:53  Forgot about those. Lesley Logan 21:54  Forgot about the episode number, but it's a great one. But I also think, like, don't get discouraged when you find yourself noodling in on the goal and the deadline gets moved, it doesn't mean you failed, right? It didn't mean it. So I love that. I love it. Jose mentioned a life responds to effort. He said, if you look back on the little steps you're taking, you'll actually see that you're providing yourself the opportunity to move forward. And so if you're not making an effort, you're not moving anywhere. You're kind of stagnant. But when you make little, tiny steps, even if, for this particular goal that Brad is talking about, some of the steps are like literally doing nothing for a couple of weeks, like a conversation. I'm having a conversation. But as long as we take those little steps, it's like peeling an onion back. We get to another layer of working towards that goal, very different than going, okay, well, I love this goal. It's gonna happen in September, and then not talking about it again for until August, that would be stagnation, and the goal isn't going to move forward in September because we didn't take the little steps along the way. So I really think that's really great. I think whenever I talk about habits, it's always like tiny habits works, and a lot of us are this all or nothing people. If I'm not doing everything toward making this goal happen, then I'm doing nothing. That's not how it goes. So, anyways. Brad Crowell 22:59  That's not how it goes. Lesley Logan 23:00  I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 23:01  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 23:01  Thank you so much for listening today. Thank you, Jose, for being on our episode, our show. You're so wonderful. I hope to run into you in Arizona when we're there for summer tour. You guys, yep, cat's out of the bag. We're gonna, we're probably gonna start our summer tour in Arizona. That's the goal. So, thank you, and you know what to do with this episode. Share this with a friend who needs to hear it. Go listen to a bunch of episodes we just talked about on this one episode. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 23:25  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 23:27  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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In this heartfelt conversation, Lesley Logan sits down with Jose Acevedo of Finding Arizona to explore how he's spent the last ten years building a podcast rooted in storytelling, culture, and connection—without ever losing sight of the people who matter most. From learning to stay consistent through baby steps to collaborating with his wife and finding deeper meaning through fatherhood, Jose shares the real behind-the-scenes of growing a creative life that feels honest and whole.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How to stay consistent by breaking goals into small steps.Ways to protect your passion project from burnout.How to balance creative work with parenting and partnership.Why storytelling connects us to purpose and builds legacy.When to wait—and why not rushing your creative dream can keep it joyful.Episode References/Links:Finding Arizona Website - https://findingarizonapodcast.comFinding Arizona Podcast - https://beitpod.com/findingarizonaFinding Arizona YouTube - https://beitpod.com/findingarizonayoutubeBig Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert - https://a.co/d/1ze2Db3Guest Bio:Jose Acevedo is the host and creator of Finding Arizona, a podcast dedicated to spotlighting the people and businesses that make Arizona a vibrant, ever-evolving community. With over a decade of podcasting experience, Jose has interviewed hundreds of local entrepreneurs, creatives, and changemakers, capturing the heart of their stories through authentic, thoughtful conversation. His background in landscape architecture gives him a unique approach to storytelling—one rooted in structure, curiosity, and connection.What began as a solo passion project has since grown into a collaborative family endeavor. Alongside his wife and producer, Brittany Acevedo, Jose has transformed Finding Arizona into a full-fledged media brand. Together, they co-founded The Found House, a creative production studio offering podcast and video services to local businesses and aspiring creators. 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It's like, I love this thing. It makes me feel good. I get passion from, I get creativity from it and that was my motivation. That was it. It's like having the next conversation.Lesley Logan 0:13  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:56  Hi, Be It babe. Okay, this was such a fun interview to do. I had the pleasure of meeting our guest and his wife when Brad and I were at this, we're invited to this thing that I'm gonna not, I'm not gonna lie, we're invited to this thing. You probably heard us talk about it back around the April, May time, and we're like, how do we get invited to do this? Like, what are we doing here? We're not even experts in this area, and we had to Be It Till We See It in that space in the moment, and that's when we met Jose and Britt and they're the podcast hosts of Finding Arizona. Brad and I had the pleasure of being on their podcast. Yes, Brad, that our Brad was on a podcast. You guys, he is a performer, and we hide him behind a camera, but we really shouldn't, because he's so amazing. So anyways, I am super excited for you to hear Jose and I talk about podcasting, about starting something new, so you don't have to, even you don't turn this off if you're like, I never run a podcast. I think it's really cool to hear how people come up with ideas and then see yourself in that story. So we talk about starting a podcast, what it's like to start something that we have no accountability around, we have to create it ourselves. So if you're someone who has a hard time with that, like, hearing the story, and then also, we talk a lot about goal setting and working with your partner and kiddos and what's next. So this is just a really, I feel like you probably are gonna feel like you're having coffee with Jose and I. So here is the host of Finding Arizona, Jose Acevedo. Lesley Logan 2:21  All right, Be It babe. This is fun. It's always fun for me when I get to talk to a fellow podcaster, but it's really fun when I really know that podcaster and we have a great story and we have a great vibe. Jose Acevedo, you are our guest today. You are the host of Finding Arizona. And, you guys, don't worry if you don't know where Arizona is, we're gonna talk more of than just Arizona today. But can you tell us who you are and what you rock at?Jose Acevedo 2:44  Yeah, my name is Jose Acevedo. I am a podcaster, and I'm also, like, a fan of you, Lesley. Thank you so much for having me, and I'm just again, I'm a true cheerleader for the locals here who are doing what they love to do their passion projects, everything in between, from nonprofit to high CEOs in the corporate areas. We want to get to know them, their story and how they come into the world, and how they journey across and make an effort to be a community member here in Arizona. Lesley Logan 3:14  So I feel like you are the greatest cheerleader, like you have curiosity. You're excited about what people are doing, and you want to share their stories, is that something that you went to school for, is that something you've always done? You don't even do in a podcast but everybody else's stuff, like, where did that come from? Jose Acevedo 3:29  Yeah, so I spent a bit of my life on the East Coast, and that's where my father and my mother took me to go really early on in my childhood to really kind of give me an opportunity. A. they wanted to get out of the heat of Arizona, but B. they wanted to move to other places where their children could learn and grow and kind of get a unique sense of the world. And then when I moved again for the second time, and this was a very significant point in my life, I was going away from being an adolescent to a kind of a teenager and into the kind of adulthood. And we moved back to my mom's Indian Reservation, and that is near the four corners here in Arizona. It's the Hopi Reservation, and I knew very little, to almost nothing, about my heritage and my Hopi culture. And so that was a very big, pivotal learning point about who I am as an individual, who I want to be as a man in the future. And the biggest kind of teacher in that was my grandfather, who was an elder in the community, who held a lot of stories, and who also really loved storytelling. And that was really kind of that moment of like, really crux of getting to understand what storytelling meant and what its importance was, what it can do for a society and a culture that has been on this earth for so long and has thrived just from hearing these stories and using that as a religion. And so for me, I had to very much dive deep into, you know, these different types of elements of storytelling, but how they also relate to my own life. And it was hard. It was definitely something very significant where I pushed back on it at points. I definitely had my moments of, like, teen angst and those types of things, but I also learned a lot about who I am and who my people are and what I want to give back into this world and give back into society and culture. So that was a really big point in my life, of like, learning about who I am and who my culture was. Then I came down to Phoenix and went to college, and really kind of stumbled upon podcasting as kind of this new wave of having a dialog and having conversation and actually storytelling to the masses, but also having these intimate conversations with individuals. So really, how it turned out to be what it is today is I was having conversations with business owners about their business through screen printing. I was screen printing T-shirts for these different owners, and I would just have a really fun time having these conversations and really getting to, like, go back and forth with them, getting to know them and what they're about and all these things. And they seem to really enjoy it. I'd get comments like, Oh, I really love this conversation. Thank you for having with me. Thank you for showing interest. Oh, you should be a news reporter, or you should be on the radio. All these types of compliments. And really, it dawned on me, when I was screen printing their shirts and listening to other podcasts that I'm like, really enjoying of like, oh, I should just do this. This has always been fun for me to listen to. I should at least attempt to do these conversations, to record them. So that that kind of snowballed into had to learn how to record, had to learn how to edit, had to learn how to do a website, how to like, upload them and just create this thing that I thought was cool that now has now become a big part of my life and a big part of my family's life. My wife got involved by meeting me, and I had to tell her, can't really go out on dates on weekends, because I'm doing this thing, recording and editing and all these things. And she was like, oh, I love podcasts. Let me listen to it. And so that has now turned into her becoming my producer. And now my son has just been born three years ago during the pandemic, and we were doing a lot of zoom calls, and now he knows that when Dada goes to work, it's like a lot of the times it's podcasting. So he's like, Dada, you go do podcasts? And it's just been really that thing that has affected me on a personal level, but me on a grander scale of legacy.Lesley Logan 7:45  I mean, and you've been doing this for 10 years, Finding Arizona, so like, y'all, we've been only podcasting for about three and a half years at this point. Podcasting has been around for a really long time, but so few people knew how to find the app on their phone and knew what it was and what I just, thank you for sharing the journey, because it's so cool you were already doing something, and then people were like, this is really cool you do this. And so you took it, and I, so many people are like, how did you come with this idea? How did you come with this idea? Y'all listen to what people are saying you're really great at, or complimenting you on, because that's what they think you're great at. And it becomes, it's so easy and natural for you, you don't see it as an opportunity or something that's unique, because it's natural to you. But what a cool gig. I love it. And also, the people are already coming to you. So you're like, what is this shirt for this automobile thing? How did they do it? I love that also, thank you for sharing your show about your grandfather. I think there's a book called Sapiens, and I didn't read the whole thing, you guys, it's really long. I kept it. I haven't given it away because I swear to pick it up. But what they say is that humans actually stayed in existence because of storytelling, and I do think that, you know, the Native Americans have really shown us that storytelling is really how we keep, we understand what happened in our past. We understand we're going to like, we understand things on a bigger level than just us as humans and I think it's so beautiful. So thank you for sharing all of that. Jose Acevedo 9:10  Of course.Lesley Logan 9:10  Okay, you had to learn all these things to be a podcaster. You all who are trying to make something new happen your life, whenever we say podcast and you can insert what you are doing, trying to be. What was it like having the first interview? Because you already were good at it, because you'd ask people question, but then you had to, like, hit record. Were you shaking in your boots? Did it feel easy? Did you re-record it? Tell us about it.Jose Acevedo 9:32  So I think you're absolutely right when it comes to these very, we had this conversation on my podcast and just off air, where I feel sometimes I'm like, I'm so nervous and flustered because I'm such a fan of people who come on our show, because we do research about these people, and we're like, oh, they're so cool. They're like, this and that. And so I get nervous just because I have this excitement about me. So yes, my very first episode where I said to myself, yes, I want to record. I want to do this. I want to make it a thing. I actually did it with my boss, like of the screen printing shop, because I felt like A. we had a great dynamic. We were just really fun and chit-chatty with each other. And B. I felt like all of his stories were so funny and so like, dynamic and filled with all of these intrigue and just the way he said things was just so funny to me. And it was, yeah, it was exciting to me to share what he was about. But again, it was like, so nerve wracking, because I didn't know if this was gonna work, or I didn't know if any of my equipment was done right, or if I was like, I'm just shooting myself in the foot. We might have to record and other things, and I was so nervous, and really I just wanted it to be a fun situation, which it was. It was so much fun, and I really look back on it, and was like, oh my gosh, so he was barely paying attention to he's working on other shirts. And I was like, having this conversation while we're interviewing. He was so great, though, because he could do that, and then still have the conversation and throw in the quits, throw in the bits, throw in the funny. Lesley Logan 11:05  It probably made him feel even more comfortable, because he wasn't like, sitting down and professionally recording.Jose Acevedo 11:10  Yeah, his thing. And it was just me saying, hey, can I record this? And then it turned into, I like the way that this felt. I like the feeling of it. I love, was it so great? That was like, did I think it was going to be this Pulitzer Prize winning interview thing? No, but I love the way it felt. I love the way it turned out. And I was like, maybe let's try it again, but let's sit down with someone who's not so busy. It's like someone who's like, a little bit more attentive and paying attention to me in my conversation with them, and it would just go from one client to the next, and I was like, oh, there's a way to like, then you start to pick out like, oh, there's a way to ask this question, or there's a way to steer them into this one area, or they draw their guard down when after the half hour mark. So I should get more personal questions towards the end there. And so if you really learn the dynamics of a conversation and through so much of doing it repetitively and doing the work over and over again.Lesley Logan 12:13  You, you know, that is true. It's also like you're never going to be 10 years version of you versus one year, like, you can't learn the 100 times experience until you've done it 100 times. Like, it's just got to happen. We have to have grace with ourselves. And also, it is true, the more you do it, the more you realize who are fun people to interview. What are the qualities? That person has a great story, but they're not a really good interview. So if we're having a hard time having a conversation, it's not going to go well. Versus, when do I ask the questions that are more personal, that do take more vulnerability? Some people, you know, when you podcast, a lot like we do, I can get vulnerable on an episode pretty early on, because I know what. I know that I can share. I know how it usually goes. But not everyone's like that. Some people are amazing experts, and they do a few podcasts. And so we have to kind of understand when the best time is to to bring things out. I want to know because you started this on your own, and you were also like, let me see how this goes. So how did you hold yourself accountable to releasing the episodes? Because the thing about anything is you have to be consistent, and especially at the time when podcasting wasn't really big, you know, how did you choose to be consistent with something you didn't know what it would be yet?Jose Acevedo 13:27  So, yeah, I, again, I think it goes back to, I think one of the early s tarts in my beginning was like goal setting, like, how do I want this to be a thing, or how do I want this to come out. And so one of the very first conversations that I had was, do I want this to be a weekly? Do I want this to be monthly? Do I want this to be a series? And, you know, how do I want to put out this series? And so I just really kind of more approached it from, uh, that kind of goal setting. Let's start off slow. Let's do it a monthly or let's, you know, I think it was monthly, in the very first beginning of, like, I'm going to have these deep conversations for more than an hour or an hour long, and really hone in on the individual and have those deep realm conversations. And then once I had a few underneath my belt, I really started to say, okay, I think I can push this even further. And, like, really, after the first year, I was like, okay, let's go to every two weeks, like a biweekly. Then it came to like, oh, I am really getting emails from a lot of places that wanted to be on the show or was showing interest. And I was like, okay, well, now I have a lot of interest. And I also, at that point, I started, you know, having someone follow, do the pictures and help me out a little bit. And so I was like, okay, I can do this. I can make this a weekly thing. And so I pushed myself even further to make it a weekly podcast and have these really fun conversations. And also, then we got to some really fun goal setting there, it was like, there was a month that was just filled with farmers, and when we started to really push the envelope on some of these ideas, and had some fun throughout the years that we've been doing it, what, how does this podcast work? Or how does it look like? What do people find interest in? Or what are some of the things that are really pushing the envelope of like how this community works here in Arizona or here in Phoenix particularly, so, it was really kind of listening to the audience, and also goal setting for myself is really what kept me going. And because I had such an intrigue on not only the people who were coming onto the podcast, but an intrigue in making this a business, I think it was kind of easier to say, okay, these are the goals. This is how I want to approach it. This is how I want it to come out. This is how I want it to be seen. And how do I make sure that I get these? Well, it's baby steps. Okay, first you get the yes from the person, then you schedule them, and then do the conversation, and then you set a date of, like, when they're going to come out. And then you make sure you edit in that time frame. It's those little baby steps that'll move you forward and move the the needle here and there. And so it was just, again, one part my my end of like, goal setting and listening to the audience. But two, make sure that you write down your goals and push yourself to reach those goals and make sure that it comes out. Lesley Logan 13:28  Yeah, I love that you mentioned the baby steps, because I think that's where people get a goal set. Then they don't break it down, the baby actions, and then it just feels overwhelming to do. And then they think they need motivation, which is the biggest lie, because that's inconsistent, so. Jose Acevedo 16:24  Yeah, my motivation was the podcast. I love this thing. It makes me feel good. I get passion from, I get creativity from it. And that was my motivation. That was it. It was like having the next conversation. Lesley Logan 16:55  So, do you podcast full time? This is your job now, or do you have other things to do? Jose Acevedo 16:59  I'll be honest. No, this isn't my full time gig, but it feels like a second job or more, but I'll be honest, I, when the pandemic hit, I was working with a landscape architecture firm, and that's what I went to school for, is landscape architecture, and I had a real choice, because we were getting a lot of intrigue in the podcast. But what happened was Brittany got pregnant, and it was the pandemic. She was actually coming out of a job in the healthcare system, and we were really worried, because she would hear horror stories from the healthcare about the pandemic and about people suffering through this thing. Lesley Logan 17:40  Or our healthcare workers were on the front line, and we didn't really have a lot of support for them. We still don't. That didn't change. Jose Acevedo 17:48  And so for me, I was like, oh man, I'm bringing this new life into the world. I need to figure out a way to make sure that he's healthy. And so I took a job at a bigger firm that would allow me to work from home and be with him, but also give me health insurance. And really, I like to say it's I'm not afraid to let go of that job right now to move into podcasting full time. But for the time being, my son is safe, my family's healthy, and we are still working consistently on this podcast, and I have, it hasn't worn on me. It hasn't made me feel tired. I just love what I do, and if I can do this continuously, the way that we have been, I'm okay with that. We're at that pivotal point too. It's like, which one of us is going to let go of their job to go full time with this podcast? And I don't know, we still have this conversation, and I'll be honest, like, all the time, like, who's going to do it? What are we going to do? And we just kind of look at each other and we're like, it's a good problem to have, yeah, but we're still at a standstill. We're still waiting. I think we have a goal set. I think that we have clientele, and once we reach that number of clientele that will allow us to let go of one of the jobs that we work, then we'll move into more full time. And I think that's a good, again, goal setting. Types of things where it's like baby steps, we have an actual number, and once we hit that, then that'll be the key to unlock the door of full time work. And working that podcast full time. Lesley Logan 19:22  Thank you. And also it's, here's the thing. These are all things we have to think about. It's really funny when people know that I'm on YouTube, they're like, oh, you must make so much on YouTube. I'm like, not everyone's it, a full time YouTuber. The amount of money I spend on the payroll to edit the YouTube is not how much I get paid from YouTube. I get paid. I get paid monthly. And I'm so grateful thank you for watching those views. Keep watching, but we glamorize things, and we think, oh, they're doing this. So it must be doing so. And yes, the ads you have, or content fees, or all the different appearances that could all bring an income, but you and I live currently in a place where healthcare isn't a given, and so unfortunately, someone has to have it. And, two, I'll just be really honest guys, someone has to have a W2 in a relationship, because if you both, like our, Brad and I, and you work for the company, no one wants to give you a loan. Like, the hoops. It took us 18 months to get our mortgage, 18 months we could to pay the bill we're already paying, you know. So I share that because it's frustrating. And if you're in that situation, we see you and we hear you, and it's the other thing that we talked about on your podcast, Finding Arizona, is putting pressure on something before it's ready can actually destroy it. Or Big Magic, have you read the book Big Magic? Jose Acevedo 20:36  No. I'm going to write this down. Lesley Logan 20:37  Oh, put it on your list, Elizabeth Gilbert, Eat, Pray, Love girl. So her book, Big Magic, I have read multiple times, and she says, ideas want to be born. So if you have an idea and you don't act on it, someone else will do it, which is why you're like, oh, I had that idea. Like, you didn't do anything about that, right? So there's that. But also, she says, if your idea is artistic, if it's creative and you try to live off of it before it is ready. You will filter, change, correct, make. You might even lower standards or make decisions based on the income you need at the time versus what the art was, the creativity, the vision, the goal was in the first place. So she shares she did not quit her job as a professor, even after she sold Eat, Pray, Love to movies. She really waited until she knew I can live off of me being Elizabeth Gilbert, the writer, and it's really awesome. And I really love that vulnerability, because there is a dream I have where I just get to interview people and go on retreats and, you know, teach my mentorship. But also got a mortgage to pay. I got retirement. Jose Acevedo 20:37  Yeah, you got to work towards it. Lesley Logan 20:37  Yeah. And we got retirement accounts we want to make sure, there's a lot going on. So you have to kind of balance like, am I playing small or am I playing it wise? It's a game of life. Am I making the right decision in this moment for where we want to go? Jose Acevedo 22:08  Yeah, and I feel the exact same way of you bring up this, this idea of baby steps, and I feel like that's where we kind of refocus a lot of the times on and not like we don't want it. It is about putting effort into everyday tasks or everyday things that allow us to move forward and move that needle to the point where we were like, yes, this is everything's pointing to. We can do this now, and we can transition and not feel like again the pressure is come solely on the creative part, the thing that we love doing, and now it has to hold us financially up. It's one of those things where it's like, and I brought this up on our party, it's like, that's what brings me most fears, because I've always loved doing this, and I don't want it to be like this martyr of like, it has to feed me, it has to, you know, pay my bills and all these things where that, when it was in the beginning, was just this fun conversation, this, this fun, light-hearted thing of like, tell me about yourself, tell me why, and to put pressure on it so much to the point where it's like the people ask us, why do you put yourself in a corner by just focusing on Arizona? Well, it's not putting yourself in a corner. It's actually this ever evolving thing that always changes, that always has newcomers, that always has someone. Lesley Logan 23:25  You are never gonna run out of content. Jose Acevedo 23:27  Yeah, never gonna run out of content. And so no, it's not that it's having passion for something that is ever evolving, and wanting to show light on that and give people a chance at the table and give them the mic to recruit for themselves, like advocate for themselves, and have joy for what they created, and all of these things. And I. Lesley Logan 23:45  I mean, you wouldn't run out of content if it was just finding Phoenix like you just wouldn't. And there's like, how many millions of people live in Arizona and then moving to Arizona and leave it like, there's always going to be new options for listeners. And I think don't ever let anyone tell you you niche down too much, because that's not even true. But I think what you guys could challenge yourself is like, what are the fears, and what would it look like if it did work? And then we'll set from there, because that's how, I like to work backwards. When the pandemic hit and we actually had to start from scratch-ish, we already had OPC. It was already in existence, but it wasn't paying our bills. What paid our bills was me touring the world and teaching in real life. So I was like, okay, if this has to pay our bills, how does that look like? What is it? What is it looking to put pressure on this, and how do we do it so we're not making compromises that are not, because what most people want is they want a Netflix option. They want to do Pilates whenever they want to do it. They want to have access to their old class whenever they want. But they don't, because they actually don't use it then. How long have you got whether you don't check one of your streaming accounts? And so there were values that I was like, no, this is hell. I'm going to die on this, because that's what makes us unique. Like you're like, no, we're Finding Arizona. We're not finding the US, like we're, or the southwest, or whatever the Sun Belt is, whatever they like to call us. You're not that. So, you know, I think there's things where like this is for sure never gonna change. We're never gonna do that. But what does that look like if it works? And what does working look like? And sometimes you're afraid to dream big because it is possible. It's so scary. So I don't wanna discount that. Brad and I, the only reason I can say that we lucked out is that we were forced in a pandemic to make it work, because it was like we had to pay our bills. We don't, we don't we work for ourselves. There is no one sending me any money for a paycheck to work from home. We have a great couple that we know, and seeing them thrive today is like really fun. We watched these two people doing the dream like they were performers. They both were headliners on The Strip. They had their dream home, and in the same week, both of their shows closed, and we were like, I'm so sorry, and they said this to us, and there was something that always sticks with me. They're like they were velvet handcuffs. And the idea of me going out and audition again, I just don't even want to do it. I'm most grateful that this happened, and he has, he went back to school. He changed his life. They're having a baby like they both have changed, transformed what their resume is and what they do on this planet. And it's cool how it can change, but it also, when you have a consistent paychecks coming in, it can, it's hard. It's hard. So. Jose Acevedo 24:00  I've heard this one individual. I can't even, I'm bad with names, but I'm always so invested in what people say and what their beliefs are. But it's like, I heard this saying, Do your life the nine to five, so that the five to nine is your, you know.Lesley Logan 26:32  Oh yeah. You work to live, not live to work. So you're like, your nine to five is only there to make sure that your five to nine is super cool.Jose Acevedo 26:39  Yeah and so that's where I'm at right now in life, and it's just really been great. And it's, I cannot tell you that it makes me feel good that A. I still have a passion for it, and B. it's building this legacy, not just for me, but for the little guy. In all honesty, fatherhood has changed a lot about how I see the world, how I perceive the world, and how I, you know, go about the world and it's joy when he says that I have fun doing a podcast is the best thing that I can say about what this means to me now, because it's just again, I want him to know that I'm a good dad, but I also want him to know that I'm a good person as well, because I care enough that I have these conversations with the people, because I don't want to feel like I don't love the world. I don't want to, I don't want him to think that you can't, you, you're, you need to be afraid of everyone. I want him to know that there are good people out there, and there's a community that will back him, and so hopefully down the road, he'll see a couple of the episodes and be like, my dad, I love him. He did a great job doing this.Lesley Logan 27:49  That's so beautiful. That's amazing, and it is interesting. We can see our life through the lens of someone else, because there's a lot of things that can weigh on us that actually have nothing to do with the big picture, but they feel very important. There are certain things that really make sure that they're like, I want to be heard and I want to be seen, that actually are not that big of a deal, and they're not part of the goals. But when the obstacle happens or the mess happens, they can feel like they're priority. And then you have this guy, his name's Atlas, right? Jose Acevedo 28:18  Yeah, his name's Atlas, yeah. Lesley Logan 28:19  Atlas go, did you have fun doing this thing that you love? And it's like, yeah, thank you for bringing me back down to earth and remind me what I do. That's so, it's so fun. It's so cute. Jose Acevedo 28:27  Yeah, it's just something about his joy of the world and life itself, it just brings me back to like, calm and steady. And again, it's like, fatherhood has changed me 100% from this, you know, I always felt like I was like, I'm so selfish. I'm like, I want so much for myself. Then he came into my world, and he's changed so much about me, and I want so much for him, and so much for him to see everything and give him a lot of the things that I didn't have as a child. But I understood, I understand now as an adult, my parents did the best that they could with everything that they had, and that is all I want to do for him. And if that means, you know, keep podcasting because it makes you happy, dad, then I'm going to keep doing that. And you know, there's a lot of things that it's just, again, they're not as important in hindsight right now, because I'm just really so glad that he's given me the opportunity to see the world and through his eyes and through his perspective, and want to just make it the happiest, joyous childhood ever. Lesley Logan 28:51  Oh, my goodness. And also, you're not sacrificing something you love because you think it will make that you're showing your son, you and Britt are both showing your child, like, you can do things that make you happy and you don't have to sacrifice the things you love to do that. I think it's really cool for them to grow up in a household where, like, yes, you have a nine to five, but also this other thing that makes you really happy, and you're dedicated to it, and you see it through. We had a guest on Episode Five, everyone. She said actions are caught, not taught. She's very aware that her kids are watching what she says about herself and what she does. I want to ask we don't have Britt here today, so unfortunately, we'll have to hang out with her another moment. But you work with your spouse on this podcast. Brad and I work together, and I'm sure you guys get all the time,. I don't know, I don't want to assume, but people are like, oh my God, tell me how you and Brad work together because I think I want to work with my partner. I find myself going, maybe don't do it. And I love working with my husband. But also, I'm particularly aware that it's not unicorn and glitter all the time. Jose Acevedo 30:38  Yeah, absolutely, yeah. Lesley Logan 30:39  So tell us how it came to be that Britt started working on the show and like, how do you two each share this incredible podcast together? How do you guys make it work?Jose Acevedo 30:50  Yeah, so we had this conversation too. It's like on my podcast, where it's I told you about how I met her through work and through working in a co-working office, and just again, being intimidated by someone of her stature at the time, she had her own business, and I was just working my first big boy job out of college, and really it was like I was interested in her, and she asked me for my WiFi password. We had these conversations. We were getting to know each other. And then I was like, I want to take you out on a date. I don't think I have the time during the weekend, and I'm kind of worried to tell you why. And she's like, why are you embarrassed? I'm like, I'm embarrassed because I have this podcast that keeps me very busy when I'm not working here on my job and she's like, oh, I love podcasts. So she binged the entirety of all my podcasts that weekend, and she was like, look, I love what you do. I think it's so interesting. Can I help you somehow? Is there some way I can help you take photos or something? I was like, that would be really great. That would be really awesome. And I would thank you so much. And if I pay you, like, let me. She's like, no, no, no. Just let me help you and you can teach me. And so I was like, she was interested in photography at the time. So she was like, okay, let's go do this first episode. And then actually turned into a date. It was really her way of showing interest in me and wanting to do this together. And she took photos the very first time as a date. And we, you know, had, it was luckily, at an ice cream shop, and it was this, like shaved ice. So she took photos. We ate and had dessert afterwards. And then it evolved into dating a lot. And she was being involved. She was helping me produce. She was helping me get clients, get people on the show. And then she came up with ideas on how to actually make this a business. And I took it to heart because she owned her own business. And we had these conversations before about like, how does Finding Arizona become more than just a podcast? How do we approach it in a business aspect? And I very much, I think, what is the best part about our relationship is I'm very open to her having a conversation with me. Communication, I think, is our best ability between the two of us. I think one, her vulnerability and empathetic nature to connect with me and wanting to share her ideas was the biggest part of how we grew together and how we emotionally stayed connected, but also really move forward in hard times, having being communicative and just communicating how we feel, how we think we should go about, you know, moving forward through a struggle or anything like that. I think that is the best way that we kind of came together and said, okay, this is how the business work. I showed her everything. I was like, this is how I do everything. Where do I go from here? Like, how do I go and move this forward? How do I make this a business? How do I, you know, do my taxes through this and all these things. And so she sat down with me. We've had this conversations on more than one occasion of these are the things that you need to have this business thrive. And so she was kind of teaching me and being my coach. And now we're, I'd like to say we're on the same page a lot of the times when it comes to what we should be providing. What we should be doing next. What are should be the next goal, baby step forward and communication. I think having those points in our relationship to A. talk about ourselves and talk about how we feel about each other, but B. talk about the business. So typically, we'll have, and this is kind of looking into the our relationship, at the end of the year, we'll have kind of this business conversation, but throughout the year we'll have personal conversations, go on dates, really try our best to talk about leave the business side and talk about A. our goals as parents and our goals as a couple, and really put that towards our date life, and then leave the business aspect for, you know, the quarterly stuff, the quarterly meetings and having those really hard conversations, like, how are we going to make money off of this? Or, how are we going to, you know, move forward into the next quarter of like business and how we, what events are we going to go to? Who are we connecting with? How are we even teaching ourselves new things so that we can add it to our repertoire of things that we provide for the podcast? So I think having a point of conversation with your significant other, and making sure you also separate some of those things, because it can get really murky if you bring in and she's trying to have a conversation about relationships, but you're trying to talk about the business. It's really separating those two entities, and I like to say Church and State sort of thing. But you know that sort of idea of like, we really try our best to have those date nights throughout the year and talk about our relationship, talk about who we are, talk about things that aren't, don't do anything with the podcast or business, and then leaving scheduled appointment dates of businessy talk and things like that. So it can be however you want to retrofit that, whether, if you want to talk more about the business, you know you want to have more dates, whatever it may be, but I think having those scheduled items is very vital to checking in, not only for yourself, but for your significant other, if you are working with them and making sure that you're what we say on the same page and moving forward together.Lesley Logan 36:46  Yeah, I think that's really, I love that you prioritize the relationship. Because I think if we prioritize the business goals, then it's really easy to forget why you're doing it and what it's for. And if you are someone who works for yourself, the business has to work for you, and otherwise you just created yourself a boss that's very demanding. So when we bought this house in Vegas, we sat down in April of 2020, we're like, well, what do we want for our lives? Forget the business. What do we want for our lives? Where do we want to live? Where do we want to work? What does our schedule look like? How much money do we make? How much does it cost to live the life we want to live? And then we went to the business and go, okay, the business has to support this life, as opposed to us supporting the business. And I think that that's really important. And so, yeah, you're right. However you want to retrofit that y'all is up to you, but make sure your personal goals are the priority. Because whether you work for yourself or you have a job, the job is there because it's helping. It gives you access to the things that you want. You know, there's this amazing book that I read so many years ago, and it's called, I want to say it's called sunny, it's like, not sunny side up, but it was like something like that. And it was not about whether you saw the glass half full or the glass half empty. You saw something in the glass. But one of the things that she said in there was about parking or driving away. The story was like, she's at brunch, and it was outdoors, and a car drove up, and the car was idling. It was pulled up to park, but it didn't turn off. It just idled, and over, she watched how, she stopped her conversation, and then how the whole area of the brunch stopped their conversation to look at like, what is this car doing? Because it makes everyone uneasy. What is this, what does this car do? Is it gonna go? Is it gonna stay? What's going on? And so the idea was, like, you need to park or drive away. And then she went into a story about a person who didn't love their job. It wasn't awesome when they actually looked for other jobs that they realized was, well, this job allows me to pay for the private school my kids are in. I get off work at a time that lets me spend time with them, lets me do this. And so she reframed the job that she had to this job may not be my dream job, but it provides me with the dream life I have. And we can get a little confused, and so I just want to go back to know what your goals are for your relationship or for your family or for yourself, if you're by yourself, and then the business goals have to reflect that.Jose Acevedo 39:05  I think I look back on the early part of our relationship, and I say to myself, I was embarrassed at the time because of the podcast just taking up so much time in my life. I look back at it now, I'm like, I was sort of embarrassed too, and I didn't address this personally because I didn't want it to take over her life as well, because I really wanted this thing to really be something, but I also didn't want it to take over her life and be, but she has shown me that it can provide us with an opportunity to, like, you, said, live the life that we want, and share so much of our own world of like she's made up these things of like the blog wouldn't be what it is today without her. The vlog is a combination of all of our videos, but it's like this way of sharing our family life with our fans, but also it's like this other thing, of like, it's home movies for our family who live far away from us that don't get a chance to see us a lot. So it's like this beautiful thing of sharing that with them, but also with our fans as well, and she's shown so much of how much she cares about this podcast and how much she cares about others that I'm still amazed by her. I'm still intimidated by her on so many of those factors. Because without her being in my corner, I don't think that I would be the person that I am today, but I also don't think the business would be where it's at today. And I thank her all the time, and I hope she knows this, but I think she is the cornerstone of what makes this podcast have a heart, and I think she's the best part of me. She's the best part of our family, and she's really, truly, this entity that I cannot describe any more than she is the heart of this business. Lesley Logan 41:07  Oh my gosh. Well, we have to let Britt, when she listens to this, have a moment to enjoy that lovely speech for her. So wanna take a brief break, and then we're gonna find out how people can find you and Finding Arizona, and all the things that you guys are doing together. Lesley Logan 41:19  Okay, Jose, you are like one of the most beautiful humans in the world. And I think everyone is hoping that their husband is telling someone that exact same speech that you just said about them, Finding Arizona, they can find it anywhere that they're listening to this podcast. But do they have to live in Arizona? Is this something they can enjoy if they're visiting Arizona? And also, what else do you and Britt have for our listeners?Jose Acevedo 41:41  Yeah. So this is available on all podcast platforms, of course, but we also have now video format to a lot of these episodes that we provide on YouTube. And on top of that, like I was discussing earlier in the podcast, we have a vlog that's a little bit of this family life. And what we do for the business, we go to events as well, meeting new people, networking, and we share that along with on the YouTube, we have a website that is available for a blog that gets a little bit more of what we've learned and found through the community and what we're passionate about, what we're intrigued by, that's a little bit more of the inside of our minds being put out into this, like, blog form, so that Britt puts that together. But it's, again, it's all of these things could be found at our website, findingarizonapodcast.com but also on our YouTube page, Finding Arizona podcast, you'll just search it, and you'll find us. You'll see us. We're big smiley people, and we always try our best to make sure that it's routinely updated and that you're constantly getting new items every week. And on top of that, I mean other events that we're going to on a very routine basis. You can catch us a lot of the community events throughout Phoenix. And we are also trying to do a little bit more of in-person 101 classes, teaching the kind of 101 of podcasting, Britt has done an event where she's speaking about it at a Phoenix Design Week. There are a couple of other events that I don't have it in front of me, but I wish I could give you some more information on, and I will actually send an email to you so you can provide that to the individuals. But there are a lot more events that we're going to be in-person for that you can catch us at, say hi and get a little bit more one-to-one action with us. And you will get to see Atlas, too. Atlas loves going on these little adventure excursions, and you'll see him in his little Finding Arizona shirt, and he's always down the clown, and he's a fun time.Lesley Logan 43:34  Oh my gosh, so fun. Yes, you guys should absolutely be teaching people about podcast and getting started, because you've been doing it for 10 years.Jose Acevedo 43:42  Yes and on top of all of those things that we do in person and all that, we actually just started this. And this is something of the service arm of what we provide in video production, audio production. We're calling it The Found House. And you can find it under our web page, The Found House over at findingarizonapodcast.com where you can actually, if you want to work with us, one-to-one and start your own podcast, we provide that option as well.Lesley Logan 44:08  Awesome. That is what we need. Thank you for doing that. Jose Acevedo 44:11  Yes, absolutely. Lesley Logan 44:12  Okay. You guys, all those links are, of course, in the show notes. And if you are wondering about how Finding Arizona podcast is, I was on it with Brad. Brad made an appearance. Holy moly, it's rare. So go listen. You get to hear the inside of his brain on all the things. Jose Acevedo 44:28  I love Brad, by the way. Lesley Logan 44:29  We love Brad. You know what? Here's the thing, everyone loves Brad. And whenever I go anywhere without Brad, they're just like, where's Brad? Where's Brad? So that's why he's not actually allowed to not be there. Because I'm like, am I chopped liver? So. Jose Acevedo 44:41  He's right over there. Go look. And that's sometimes how I feel about Britt and this is the crux of having parenthood be a part of what we do is should some of these events are late at night, and Atlas can't go to those. So one of us has to stay behind to do bedtime story time, and one of us has to go. And then it's if one of us goes, like, where's the other person? Lesley Logan 45:02  Yeah, where are they? What's going on? Well, I love that. It's like, okay, hi, but I'm right here. So you know, you have been such a gem already, but we love to end the episode with, Be It Action Items. Bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? Jose Acevedo 45:17  I think it goes back to what we were talking about those baby goal routines set for yourselves. I think you should always try your best to set a big goal, but also make sure that you're taking those routine steps, or those small steps forward to allow yourself and your what your goal is to move to approach that. Take those tiny steps that you know are digestible, edible that you can do and make sure that you're reaching closer and closer, because if you look back on those little steps, you will actually see that you were providing yourself the opportunity to move forward. And one of the big things that I keep going back to, or at least what in our conversations, like life responds to effort. That's something that I heard, is life responds to effort. And you're not making an effort, you're not moving anywhere, you're stagnant. You have to make an effort. And whatever, it's those little things that matter and those little things that count to your goals. Lesley Logan 45:18  Oh, my God. Mic drop on that. That is brilliant. That is, rewind everyone, listen to that last, that was freaking amazing. Jose, Finding Arizona. Thank you for being you. Thank you for sharing your story. Give Britt some love from us. We're hopefully gonna see you guys, when we're in person in Arizona soon. 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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:47  Hello, Be It babe. How are you? Welcome to your Fuck Yeah Friday, where we are celebrating awesome things that people are doing, including yourself and myself and a mantra, and we're doing it short and sweet, so we can enter this weekend with some inspiration, like, what is possible in this life. It's not all bad, right? There's got to be some good stuff. So this inspired me. I thought I wanted to share it with you. I'm recording these in February, and so obviously a lot of people right now are talking about a lot of different boycotts that they're doing. So just want you to know if I mentioned any businesses that may have changed their ways, like, that's a delay, but do your research, okay? But what I wish someone told me before I started boycotting, and I want you to know I wanted to share this with you, because I think it can be really tricky. I'll share my wins, what's going on. So the first post that they said is, disclaimer, boycotting is a labor of love. Oh, and this post is a labor of love from an ex mega, M-E-G-A consumer, not telling anyone how to live. Just sharing what I've learned along this journey of redirecting resources. So she said, starting out, pace yourself, start with one area and give yourself grace. So the truth is, our consumption habits were carefully engineered over generations, so unlearning takes time. And by the way, this is from jnaydaily, jnaydaily. So if you are feeling the urge to boycott or maybe you thought about that two months ago, and here we are in April, and you still haven't figured it out, it's okay give yourself grace and pace yourself. And she says to start with one area, okay? Making choices, when facing a purchase, ask yourself, can I borrow this? Can I find it secondhand? Is there a local option? Can I DIY or use what I have, what's within my current capacity? So move through options based on your energy and circumstances. And I really love that, because can I be really honest, asking to borrow anything from anyone, it kind of makes me go. I don't know, but Brad borrows all the time, right? So, but can I find it secondhand? That's where you could search online to see if somebody is selling it used, right? Or is there a local option you could use? Because when you invest in local stores, it actually goes back into the community in a big way. So, can I make it myself? And then, obviously, making it yourself might not be something you can do, you know? So we currently have some lawn furniture that Brad was trying to, like DIY it, and, you know, it might get to the place where we have to use a local option. So capacity formula. So some of your boycott choices, best is to do local, ethical, DIY, secondhand. So anytime you're avoiding buying something, the best thing you could do is go local, ethical, DIY, secondhand. Better: Alternatives closer to home; Good: more mindful, mainstream choices; Basic: What's accessible right now. So, think net positive, not perfection. Every redirect matters. It gets easy with practice. And then food freedom. So, simplifying food and sourcing, so obviously you have to buy food. So I love this that she added this in here, because it's really easy to like, okay, I can buy a secondhand chair, but I can't just make an orange. So, focus on whole foods and seasonal produce. Explore international and local markets. Join a CSA and support local farmers in exchange for produce. You can go to localharvest.org for that. Find community gardens. You can go to communitygarden.org for that. Look for state-made products and learn how to make a few staples and trade with friends and neighbors. Is this not the coolest thing? I'm going to make sure that the team puts this post in the show notes. But I was inspired by this because at our house, we are working on the boycotts on some brands. And, you know, look, it's not that we'll never buy from them again, it's that we want them to be better. We want them to do better for us. We want them to do better for everyone, right? Want them to do better for their employees. So here we are in April. If there are still brands that you're like, hey, I want them to know that I vote with my dollars. You know, this is how you can start that out. So I hope that that was helpful. Lesley Logan 4:27  Okay, now for your wins. Nancy Lawrence, she's been to Cambodia with us. Oh my God. It's been so fun to see what she's been celebrating after an amazing Cambodia experience where she manifested all this stuff and she's an eLevate grad. She wrote, I have gotten hired at a Latina-owned Pilates studio in Arlington, Texas, Aris Pilates. I'm so excited to work with the Latino community and possibly teach in Espanol. Miranda, her daughter, will also be teaching there. They are thrilled to have me, and I'm so excited to get started. The confidence I have today as an eLevate alumni has opened so many doors for me, including the confidence to step out of my comfort zone and into new studios, because I know I have the appropriate training, which makes me a good teacher. I mean, girl like you were made for this, you know. And I think it is so cool that these women will get to learn amazing Pilates from you, and I'm glad that you have the confidence to go put yourself out there, because they need you. You're the only person who can do what you do the way that you do it. Lesley Logan 5:18  Katelyn Elser has a win for us. She is an Agency member. I'm really proud of this woman. She actually recently quit her full time gig to run her own home business, and she's looking at some other possibilities and growing really fast, because she just is believing in herself and she's doing the work. And so her win is, I launched small group classes, three to four per session at the beginning of January, and they have been a huge hit, with six sessions per week and seven new clients. Way to go, Katelyn. You know, here's the thing, do you hear how these wins are? They don't have to be huge. Katelyn's not something I've helped 600 people, no six to seven people. It's important that you hear that, because I'm not trying to make Katelyn's win small by any stretch of the imagination. What I'm trying to get you to understand is wins, we have to celebrate the things that we do. We have to actually acknowledge what we did. There's a lot of shit going on. And so if all you're focusing is all the things that are not going well, you are not going to have a happy life. And it's not that I'm talking about having a happy life like, oh, you know, I don't see the pain in the world. No, it's I can see that I'm doing these things to make an impact on this world in my way that I can. And so I love that, Katelyn, thank you so much for sharing it. Lesley Logan 6:20  All right, a win of mine. I have a solid morning routine. You know this about me. That's, you know, not an issue. But I have been reading a book with Brad that I absolutely love. We're in a big series, and if you know, you know. And one, the fourth and fifth book aren't going to come out for a long time, so I've been slowing down our roll on the third because once they're done, then we have to wait probably a year for the fourth book, right? But I have been having problems with it, because the book kind of stresses me out a little bit. I'm someone who kind of will Google the end so that I know what's coming up and I can have some certainty. And so one, I haven't done that, so there's a win. But two, I started getting nightmares when we finished the second book. I was the main character and Brad was the other main character, and I couldn't save him. Anyways, it was a whole thing. So I have been like, okay, we can only do one or two chapters. I've been ending things I don't let it go close to bed. So like, great. That was a win, just not letting us listen to it close to bedtime. But the other thing is, I was still having some of the stress dreams, and so I was like, oh, I just don't know what to do. I'm gonna need some sort of sleep. No, actually, I know what to do. I need to meditate before I go to bed. I need a palette cleanser, and it can't be the news. And so what I'm saying is, this week, every single night, I have made sure I've done some sort of meditative practice, and it is helping. It is helping. I'm not dreaming about the book in a stressful way. I somehow did dream about Schitt's Creek in a slightly stressful way, but my sleep scores are still amazing, and my readiness scores are still amazing. So the point is that it's working, and it's not about perfection. It's about being in process and trying to figure out, right now I'm in experimentation mode, like, what meditation do I need to go to bed with that actually gives the best sleep. And so I share that with you, because a morning routine is amazing, but a nighttime routine is also epically amazing. And so your win doesn't have to be like, you know, I hit 17 goals in my business today. Can be like I went to bed on time and I gave myself a meditation to help me have the best sleep in my life. You know, being it till you see it doesn't come from doing all the time. Sometimes it comes from not doing, right? Lesley Logan 8:11  All right. Your mantra for the day. Life is meant to be shared. Life is meant to be shared. Oh, it really is. So thank you everyone who sends your wins in because life is meant to be shared. Thank you for those who share this podcast because life is meant to be shared, and every single person who listens, when I hear your feedback, we're sharing this experience together, and it's kind of amazing. So thank you for bringing you. Thank you for listening to this podcast. Thanks for sharing it, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 8:45  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. 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What if your success was hiding your stress? Lesley and Brad break down the signs of high-functioning depression and how Dr. Judith's Five Vs can help you reclaim your joy. From burnout to anhedonia, this conversation offers real tools to track what actually makes you happy. It's a powerful reminder that joy is personal—and redefining happiness starts from the inside out. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:51  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig in to this validating convo I had in the last episode with Dr. Judith Joseph. Brad Crowell 0:59  Dr. Judith Joseph. Lesley Logan 1:00  So good. I clearly decided to start while Brad is still getting ready, and we're not going to worry about that because he has ADD, I have ADHD. We're just going with it. Okay? This is how two people making it work. Guys, how are you? I cannot believe this is episode 509, on the day that we're recording this, I'm gonna actually post and celebrate the episode 500 that like just happened. It came, it went. Life was going on. Because, you know, life, life's fucking life, guys. Lesley Logan 1:26  So today is April 10th and it's Consumer Awareness Week. Consumer Awareness Week takes place from April 10th to 16th this year. Oh, thank you. Brad Crowell 1:37  Ready to get started now, guys. Okay, here we go.Lesley Logan 1:37  This day aims to educate buyers and consumers about their basic rights. This includes access to information regarding the goods and products they are purchasing. The sellers are enforced by law to reveal the ingredients they are using in their products, and they also have to follow certain guidelines regarding quality and standard of the product of being sold. If any of the above stated rules are broken, the seller's answerable to the court of law. Yes, consumers are powerful and many laws have been passed to protect them from being exploited. Are you aware of all of your rights? If not, celebrate the week and find out all there is to know. So here's the deal, actually, really, really important. Depending on what state you live in, those who are in the States, you have different consumer buyer laws, depending which country you live in, like there's these different things. So definitely, if you don't know, you should absolutely do some research and do some Googling. But I also just want to say, like, we're recording this after several different weeks and days and months of like, exercising our consumers and power, and it is working. Like, have you seen how much it's working? Like, I don't shop at Target, but I've been part of the not shopping at Target. Like, you know, there's a couple things we need, I was like, not getting it there. My poor assistant was like, so where are we getting these things? And I'm like, oh, here's an art store you can go get them at, and they're $1 more, and it's gonna be fine. So Target's less, like, $15 billion the last time I checked, $15 billion, $15 billion, you guys, this is great news. I don't want anyone to lose their jobs, none of that kind of stuff. But also, like, we have to tell these people who is in charge here, so. Brad Crowell 3:04  Yeah, it's actually really difficult right now, especially in the States, with people taking a wrecking ball to the things that that actually hold companies accountable, such as the FTC and their Consumer Protection Bureau. So there are literally laws that are supposed to protect us, and right now, there are people in power who are trying to give companies back the power to do anything that they choose, and that is going to eventually affect every single person, not just in the United States, but if you're buying products that were made in the United States and you're overseas, they might not be made with the same kind of qualities that, you know, they need to be, so. Lesley Logan 3:45  So here's the thing, even if you feel like you have no rights or voice, your dollar has power wherever you live in this world. And so where you spend that money does matter. And I get it like we have been in places in the States where I'm like, okay, so this is the only place we can shop right now. This is the only place to go. So, you know, don't, please, don't starve. Please don't, like, go without, but like, if you can spend an extra dollar and go to a different store, go support small businesses. Go support women-owned businesses. Go support people of color businesses. Like, I promise you, you'll feel so much freaking better. You'll just feel better. Like, it felt good to be like, oh, we're gonna, look at this place over here that has exactly what we need.Brad Crowell 4:18  I mean, slash or I'm just buying less stuff because I'm like, oh, I need to buy that thing and what would be my normal thing would be, go to Amazon and just order the thing. Lesley Logan 4:26  You know, in one of the FYFs, I actually told people how they can boycott like in a way that like helps them. So if you haven't ever listened to FYFs, I'm adding like things in it that inspire me, plus your wins, plus my wins, and they're still under 15 minutes. And I actually did do it. It's really fun. Okay. Brad Crowell 4:41  Cool. Cut me off. So what I was actually gonna finish saying there is that, you know, I'm actually buying less stuff because my natural inclination is to just go to Amazon and then to just order it, right? But now I'm like, okay, well, if I'm not ordering from Amazon, or if I'm not ordering from Target, or if I'm not ordering from Walmart, you know, then where am I going to get this? And now there's more effort to go figure that out, and probably requires a trip to the store, which I don't really have the time and the schedule to just go do that. So the convenience is, is definitely something that we're trading. But also my pocketbook thanks me, because did I really need to buy that thing. Chances are it's 50-50.Lesley Logan 5:23  Yeah, yeah. Well, in the FYF episode, I actually explained it, you could also borrow it if you need to, like, if you really need it, but you don't need it forever, you could just borrow it, right? So anyways, we have to keep going. So know your rights. Consumers all around the world do some research. This will actually make you it'll make the companies that you work with even better because of it. Brad Crowell 5:40  Yep. Lesley Logan 5:41  Okay, we just literally wrapped up the eLevate retreat. So that's a retreat at our house for those who graduated the eLevate program. And we also had just wrapped the reformer weekend for eLevate round five, which is super, super fun. If you're interested as a teacher in eLevate, you can apply for 2026's program, and then that way you could come to 2027's retreat, because the retreat is for the grads, and it's really special. I guess, don't you love it? I love it. I love having the people here. I love having all the different years of grads here. I love being able to see them in person. So it was absolutely fabulous.Brad Crowell 6:14  It's a good time. It's a good time. People are amazing, and it's, what's been really fun is to see the incredible sense of community created even across different groups of grads. So year one, year two, year three, etc, etc, where, where they're intentionally building community, and they're part of this really amazing group. So it's been fun to see that from our perspective, for sure. Lesley Logan 6:38  Yeah. And then also, last week, we actually opened up the registration for the UK tour, the Mullet Tour. Brad Crowell 6:41  The Mullet Tour. Lesley Logan 6:41  So, you guys, if you are in Europe or the UK, or you want to fly there, we're going to be there this September. Brad Crowell 6:52  Yeah, we're going to be there in September. And what is a Mullet Tour, Les? Lesley Logan 6:55  Business in the morning, Pilates in the evening. That's how it goes. Business in the front, party in the back, business in the morning, Pilates in the back, in the evening. No? Brad Crowell 7:05  Well, sort of. You just mixed a whole bunch of things, but it's business in the front, Pilates in the back.Lesley Logan 7:12  Right, but it's in the morning and then the Pilates is in the evening. Brad Crowell 7:15  Yeah, okay, we're gonna go with that. Lesley Logan 7:17  Well, that's what the Mullet Tour is. It's our second event. It's not annual, because we skipped a couple years. So I don't know the next time we'll be in the UK. I'll be really honest. We're already booking 2026 stuff, and 2027 we just got booked for something potentially so like this might be it, UK, for a couple, for a little bit, so. Brad Crowell 7:35  For a bunch of years. Lesley Logan 7:37  Yeah. So get in. Brad Crowell 7:38  Do it. Make sure you're paying attention. Lesley Logan 7:41  If you understand how the UK works, the studios are quite small, so space is limited, opc.me/uk is where you can get that information. You can come to workshops. You can come to classes. Obviously, the deal is in there. If you get all the good stuff for the Mullet, the whole Mullet, you need the whole Mullet to get the deal. Also coming up. Brad Crowell 7:57  You need to show up with a mullet or you can't come. Just kidding. Don't do that.Lesley Logan 8:02  (inaudible) on a lot of people. So don't do it. All right. April and this month that we're in right now, towards the very end, it is Spring Training. What is Spring Training? Well, there's the baseball people's doing spring training, and it's our version, and it's a week of Pilates classes with the OPC teachers and myself, mat classes, reformer classes, chair classes, tower classes. You can get the mat only ticket, or you can get the full spring training pass. It's a freaking great deal. If you go to opc.me/events, you'll hear about it as an early bird, which means you'll get a better price than anyone else. Brad Crowell 8:35  Yeah, get yourself on the wait list. Lesley Logan 8:36  You don't have to be a teacher. You can be someone who's just been doing Pilates. You can also be someone who's like, pie-curious, and you're like, I don't know. Maybe this is time. It's gonna be a lot of fun. I'm just gonna say we have uniforms. The dog has a uniform, everything. Brad Crowell 8:37  It's gonna be great. In fact, there's a theme to this one. It's all about the push ups. Lesley Logan 8:54  Oh yes. Brad Crowell 8:55  So this is our first annual spring training. We do want to do this every single year, but that will depend on you, gotta show up. Lesley Logan 9:03  We wouldn't do push ups next year. And also, if you would, ah, push ups, it means you have to sign up.Brad Crowell 9:08  That's right. Lesley Logan 9:08  It means you have to sign up. Brad Crowell 9:09  It's intentional. All right, cool. So that kicks off at the end of April. So go to opc.me/events right now, so you can get on the waitlist where you're actually gonna get that early bird offer. Only the people on the waitlist get the early bird offer. If you are a Pilates business owner in any way, meaning you are taking clients and getting paid by anybody, then I want you to come to my free Pilates business webinar. It's called the Growth Accelerator, and it's going to help you, whether you have a studio or home studio, or you're taking clients in the park. Go to prfit.biz/accelerator. That's profit without the O dot biz slash accelerator, and we're going to be talking about the three biggest secrets that Lesley and I have learned over the past 2500 clients we've coached. We're going to share those things with you, and it is awesome, actually. It's really been a great experience so far, doing this on a consistent basis, and we want you to join us. Lastly. Lesley Logan 10:01  Lastly, we're going to Cambodia this fall. Brad Crowell 10:05  Yep, October. Lesley Logan 10:06  Yeah and people are like, oh, I want the 2026 dates. And I have to say, we have a tentative date, but we are waiting on some news. Brad Crowell 10:11  We are waiting on a couple of other things to fall into place before we can confirm the 2026 dates. But here's what we can tell you, we're only going once in 2026, this year '25, we were able to go twice, next year because we're traveling to Europe at the beginning part of the year, we can only go to Cambodia one time. Lesley Logan 10:27  And so we want you to come this time. Brad Crowell 10:29  Don't wait, like, a year and a half from now to do this. Lesley Logan 10:31  No, I mean, like, things will just be, your life is not going to get less busy. Brad Crowell 10:35  It's true. It's very true. Lesley Logan 10:37  Like, just like, when does that ever happen? So, so you're going to go to crowsnestretreats.com and snag your spot. Brad Crowell 10:43  Yep, crowsnestretreats. Lesley Logan 10:45  Only a few spots. Go grab yours. Okay. Brad Crowell 10:48  crowsnestretreats.comLesley Logan 10:50  Yes, do that. Okay, we have to talk about Dr. Judith Joseph, but first we have a few audience member questions. Audience questions to answer. Brad Crowell 10:58  We do. This is interesting. We've had a bunch of questions come in recently about types of equipment and models and brands and all those kinds of things. So I'm just gonna quickly zip down them, @JohnLanningQ7B on YouTube, asks, hey, my wife is looking for a machine currently. What brand model is yours, Specifically? He was referencing a reformer video, @Finaloadonell3419 on YouTube asks, where can I buy a mat like you're using? And @marilynhighness4234 on YouTube also asks, hello, thanks for this great workout. May I ask where can I get this Pilates mat with handles and a strap? Thank you so much. Lesley Logan 11:35  Yes. Okay, so John, my reformer is a Contrology Reformer. I like the 80-inch. It's really amazing. Prefer it to anything longer, unless your wife is over six-four, that's what I would get. And I like calling a machine myself as well. I think it's really cool. Also, it makes it feel like that's why it's expensive. It's a machine. I buy it. So that's what I use. Brad Crowell 11:57  You can go to opc.me/reformer and you can literally get a link to the one that Lesley uses. Lesley Logan 12:03  There's a little discount on it too. Then for my mat lovers, I use the Contrology Mat. That's the mat with the handles. I prefer the Contrology Mat to all the other brands out there. Yes, I've tried most of them all, and the rest are too squishy, way too squishy. And after just teaching the reformer weekend and then having the mat weekend eLevators, every single different teacher who was on my equipment was able to be like, oh, this, this is what is happening, right? Like, this is what, like, this is why I'm not connecting when I think I'm connected, because most people are on too squishy of apparatus. And so if you're a tight person, the squish, kind of like fills in the gaps, and if you're a hyper mobile person. you kind of like, fold into the squish. So you want to get the Contrology Mat and. Brad Crowell 12:47  Just fold in the squish. Lesley Logan 12:48  You fold in the squish. Brad Crowell 12:49  Just fold it in. Lesley Logan 12:50  Just fold it in. Brad Crowell 12:50  Fold it in. Lesley Logan 12:51  Yeah. So opc.me/mat gets you the discount link for the mat, if those for whatever reason, don't show a discount at checkout, then just hit me up and with your email and I will connect you to a person. So that was all the questions, right? I answered them. Brad Crowell 13:05  Yeah, you got all three. Lesley Logan 13:06  Yeah. I'm a cool, I'm a Contrology demo center. So I think it's really important that you know I'm freaking biased. However, that being said, my bias does not come from me not having explored all the equipment or having other brands. I have actually just sold them because I prefer the Contrology I really think that they have a great thing going on there, and their customer service is really helpful if anything goes wrong. So I, not that that does happen. But you know, like, shippers, things like, you gotta just, you want to have build up relationship. And I really love Balanced Body, and Jay worked with them closely on the Contrology line and you know how much I love Jay, by the way, the day that we're recording, this is his birthday. Brad Crowell 13:40  What? Lesley Logan 13:41  It's his birthday today. Brad Crowell 13:42  Come on, I didn't know that. Lesley Logan 13:43  Yeah, we did. Last year, we actually celebrated his birthday with him.Brad Crowell 13:48  Well, I didn't, yeah, okay, cool. I'm not remembering last March 25th.Lesley Logan 13:52  Happy Birthday, Jay. And he hates it. Brad Crowell 13:55  Happy Birthday, Jay. Lesley Logan 13:55  He hates right now that we're doing any of this. Okay, well, now go get your Contrology stuff, and if you have questions about any of it, you can just DM me. I will happily answer. I love talking about equipment and making sure you get the right stuff for you and what your practice is. And you know, somebody else was like, hey, I'm thinking of getting a folding reformer instead of a mat and spine corrector. And I was actually able to talk about, like, why there is a classical reformer that folds. I have not personally experienced it. It is not cheaper than a regular reformer. It just happens to fold up. And when I'm in Chicago this fall, I'll get to kind of explore it with someone who is in my program who has access to a Contrology Reformer, and that one so I can give you more comparisons, but like, it doesn't become cheaper, it just becomes foldable. Anyways. Brad Crowell 14:38  I just want to give you guys a quick update. The actual link for the mat is opc.me/foldingmat, folding mat. Lesley Logan 14:45  Folding mat. Brad Crowell 14:47  Folding mat. Because you're gonna fold in the mat.Lesley Logan 14:49  Fold in the mat. All right. The wheels have come off this bus. We have to take a brief break, and then we're gonna come back and talk about Dr. Judith Joseph.Brad Crowell 14:56  Stick around. Brad Crowell 14:59  Welcome back. All right, let's talk about Dr. Judith Joseph. Dr. Judith Joseph, MD, MBA is a board certified psychiatrist, researcher and passionate mental health advocate, recognized in the 2023 Congress Proclamation Award, with that award. She's dedicated to making mental health conversations more accessible through groundbreaking research and social media. In her book, High Functioning: Overcome Your Hidden Depression and Reclaim Your Joy, Dr. Joseph helps readers identify hidden depression and discover the unique science behind their own happiness. And I'm really excited to dig in, because there's a ton to learn in last episode. Lesley Logan 15:37  I learned so much. I mean, this was like I got turned on to this guest because we have a different guest. We had on about anahandria. And I was like, okay, this is the first time I've heard this word. I'm very interested. And so then a friend of mine who listens to the pod. Brad Crowell 15:52  What it? What is it? Lesley Logan 15:53  Anahandria.Brad Crowell 15:54  No, anhedonia. Lesley Logan 15:56  Anhedonia. Brad Crowell 15:58  Yeah. Lesley Logan 15:58  Anhedonia. Brad Crowell 15:59  Anhedonia, A-N-H-E-D-O-N-I-A anhedonia. Lesley Logan 16:03  Yeah, guys, I'm a little dyslexic. Anyways, so, but I had been turned on to this person, and I did some research. I like, went down the rabbit hole of her, and I was like, oh, I really love that we have another person's voice on this. And also, like, a book that's coming, that's out on this. And so first of all, there's so much in the episode, you must go back and listen to it. Also you have to grab her book, ladies, I think it's gonna be amazing for you to give to your friend. But she said, there's a, there are tons of people out there who have the symptoms of a depression but are still functioning and over-functioning because they are the rock and I think a lot of people listening, I mean, if you didn't feel so seen and so heard during this episode, like you, there's not a time for you to be depressed. Brad Crowell 16:46  Yeah, who's, who's the rock, like, you know the person who keeps the family together, or the person who, you know, you could be the breadwinner, or. Lesley Logan 16:55  You might not even be the breadwinner, but you're, you're the like, you might bring money to the family, but like, you're the person who gets them on the bus. You're the person who gets every like, if you take a day off, there's no groceries for dinner, like you're the rock, like you're the. Brad Crowell 17:09  Teacher, doctor, boss person, you know, whatever. Lesley Logan 17:11  But also, like you could be working at a place, and especially now with everything's going on, you could feel like, if you stop, they'll just replace you, and then you have nothing to go back to, and that's gonna even be more depressing and more so you are just like over. Brad Crowell 17:26  You're not allowed to stop, you're not allowed to fall apart, no way. Lesley Logan 17:28  So you keep it all together, but you're actually like, not happy, and the things that used to make you happy don't make you happy anymore.Brad Crowell 17:35  We have this idea, this preconceived idea, of what depression is, and that's not necessarily like, the only way that depression looks, right? Depression certainly can look like that, but also it, we might not realize that we're depressed because we think, well, I'm out there kicking ass and taking names everyday.Lesley Logan 17:53  I get up, I got, I've showered, I wash my hair, so I can't be depressed because I got dressed and I'm actually doing great at work.Brad Crowell 18:00  Yeah, and, and, you know, I think, I think there's something specific that you said about it, that you said, I'm going through the motions. There's no joy in it, you know. And I think she really responded to that. She, like, lit up. She's like, yes, that's exactly, that's exactly it like, you know, it's absolutely possible to still be doing all the things, but when there's no joy in any of it, that's like, can also be depression, right? Lesley Logan 18:29  Yeah. And I just want to add, before, I want to say, like, she said, not only over time does it wear on you, but it can feel like you don't have anywhere to turn to. Because if you go to the regular medical world, they're gonna be like, here, you look fine, right now, you know so, and my girlfriend is a social worker, and she was trained that people would be coming and looking for medication. So, like, she's like, Lesley, people probably needed it, but they're like, they looked clean. They looked like they got, they got them, like, all the things there. And so I think, like, it's just important to know that these different things are out there, and you might be experiencing them, and you might actually have to be advocating for yourself around these things. So I don't know, I just, this blew my mind.Brad Crowell 19:10  Yeah, and, you know the joy, the element of joy missing, I thought that was intriguing, but, but the other thing that I that like, really blew me away was it seems quite logical to me that we say my biology is different than your biology, so the food that I need is different than the food that you need. I know that they custom-make nutrition plans for the astronauts, they all have a different custom nutrition plan because their bodies function differently. Here's what I never took that to the next step and realized happiness doesn't look the same for everybody either, right? So we have this concept of like, well, do this thing to be happy. Well, that might make you happy, but it doesn't necessarily make me happy. And now that I'm saying it out loud, it sounds very logical, but I never thought about it. And when Dr. Judith said that, she said your happiness is not the same as my happiness. There's a lot of people out there trying all these different things, but it's not working for them. That's because they're basing it off of the science of somebody else's happiness. And she mentioned that, this was also, I found really interesting, so the definition of anhedonia was that, basically you're missing the joy, right? And there's more to it, but I'm forgetting it off the top of my head. But she said it's actually contagious, right? So if you work in a high stress environment, I'm putting that in air quotes, right, I used to work in a place like this, where it was stressful for no fucking reason, right? It was stressful. Why? Because the boss, that's how he felt like a good company's run, right? And so he would make arbitrary deadlines that had literally no reason. This has to be done by tomorrow. Why? Why? What's happening tomorrow? We just have to get it done by tomorrow, right? And it was like this manufactured stress, and it created this, like, high, this frenzy, this high, high, strong atmosphere, right? And that is contagious. And she said, but guess what? So is joy. Joy is also contagious, right? And I thought this is really interesting, because I've, I operated in this high stress environment for like, six years, and you know, people would come in and they would say, how do you do this? And I'd say, I don't know. I just do it, right, but it's probably because I was conditioned to do it. Well, interestingly enough, I think we can also flip that and condition ourselves to find joy, to be in joy, you know? And she said, when you start to shift inside, people are going to notice it in you. You have something that they want, and they're going to start gravitating towards you. Yeah, I, I really appreciated all this. And she said, she said, how do you know what happiness is for you? She said, there's a lot of science under it. Well, first off, she has a quiz about anhedonia, right? And I think that's, that's like a great. Lesley Logan 21:59  I love that quiz. Brad Crowell 22:00  It's a great jumping off point. We're gonna put the quiz in the show notes. The link to the quiz in the show notes.Lesley Logan 22:05  It's only 17 questions, and it takes two minutes. Brad Crowell 22:08  Yeah, it's a self-assessment tool for self-reflection, right, and it allows you to understand, like, yeah, am I finding the joy, you know, in my life? And then from there, she's got tons of resources. She obviously is the reason that the timing is really great here, because her book is just coming out right now, and she has a book called, it's called High Functioning: Overcome Your Hidden Depression and Reclaim Your Joy. Lesley Logan 22:36  You guys, you can pre-order it today and if it's available by the time, but, here's the thing, if you, like, I think this is the type of book that needs to be on the New York Times bestseller list, because we, the more people know about this, the more we can change the contagion. Brad Crowell 22:51  Yeah, so HFD is what it's about, right? High Functioning Depression. And she says, hey, look, it's not like an official diagnosis. You couldn't go to the doctor and get diagnosed as HFD. But I think that that's like comma yet, because her research is started, is effectively what she's trying to understand is, you know, like, you know, can this be something that can be diagnosed? Because people are experiencing these, these feelings, and they are, they are experiencing depression, even though they're, you know, high functioning. So, very interesting research. Lesley Logan 23:27  And also, I recently got added to the DSM at some point, because this, I was in high school, and the DSM was like a three so, like, we find things out and we add it in. So I. Brad Crowell 23:35  I don't know what a DSM is. Lesley Logan 23:37  Oh, it's this, it's like an encyclopedia for mental health stuff. So, like, it's where every doctor goes when it comes to, like, like your.Brad Crowell 23:44  Diagnosis of Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.Lesley Logan 23:47  Yes, yes. So when I was in high school, I remember it being, like, three, maybe, maybe it was a four already. But I remember being, I remember my teacher specifically saying, do you see how there's a three? It means there was a two and a one, and that means that like, as they, as we learn more, we add more and like, I think the more, I think it's really, not that we should label everything, but I do think when you have a label for what you're going through, you feel less alone, and you have an understanding of, like, how to operate, to get back to where you want to be. I just think that's how, that's how it works.Brad Crowell 24:23  Yeah. And I, you know, I do want to say, obviously, Lesley and I are not psychiatrists, but Dr. Judith is, so, you know, that's, that's a really great place to get started.Lesley Logan 24:32  If this is your first episode, and you were thinking you were listening to two psychiatrists. I'm so sorry to disappoint you. We are two people who talk to a lot of smart people.Brad Crowell 24:40  All right, well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into those, Be It Action Items that you covered with Dr. Judith Joseph and they're pretty, they're pretty fire y'all. We're gonna dig into the Five Vs. We'll be right back. Brad Crowell 24:53  All right. Welcome back. Let's get into these Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Dr. Judith, Joseph? I'm gonna go first here. She talked about practicing the Five Vs to reconnect yourself. And this, I had to go back and listen to this, like, two or three times, because she also talked about, like a overlapping Venn Diagram, and then, and then, like, the conversation just went a different direction. And we never finished that thought. And I was like, where is it? But we did cover the Five Vs. So the Five Vs, and she writes about them in depth in her new book, are Validation, Venting, Values, Vitals and Vision. She said they can really help you understand the science of your happiness and increasing those little points of joy every day. And what she means by that is, when you're doing research, you often create points, right? You like, like, if this happens, you get this many points. If that happens, you get this many points. If this happens, you lose points, whatever. They're points. It's a point-based system. And she said, so her tools help you evaluate your happiness in a, in a scientific way, you know, so and she uses these Five Vs to reconnect with herself. So what I was saying, I would start with her quiz. I'm sure part of the quiz is going to be going through these Five Vs, or at least that's in her book, and that'll help you start to figure out, like, you know, where are you on this? You know, are you? Are you? Do you have HFD, right? The High Functioning Depression. She says, Start with one or two. Don't, don't start with all five. Lesley Logan 26:24  Be It babes, you do not get to start with all five. You just start with one or two. That's what the doctor said.Brad Crowell 26:29  Okay, so pick one or two, tap into it. Don't overwhelm yourself. Validation and venting are great places to start. And so check in daily, and track your joy. So check in daily, and track your validation and venting and then she has the Anhedonia Scale to measure whether or not you are getting points of joy in life. So that Anhedonia Scale, we're going to link to that in the show notes as well, so that you have a quick link to go find this information. But, but this is great. I mean for, especially, for those of you who are a one woo person like me, having a systematic approach to measuring something as amorphous as happiness is very helpful. It helps, clarify things. So what about you?Lesley Logan 27:22  Well, I was just thinking about how the longer life is going the way it's going where we are, I might become a two woo. I might just go all in on the second woo. That doesn't mean I'm I'm not, I'm not for Dr. Judith. I'm just, just saying it right now, if you hear me say I'm a two woo girl, you know why.Brad Crowell 27:39  Heard it here first, people.Lesley Logan 27:40  Heard it here first. So the other part of her Be It Action Items that I really love was she said she was talking about Deepak Chopra meditation and like, how we can get caught up in, like, I'm a Pilates instructor, I'm a mom, I am this. And like, when you even say your name, your name can represent a lot of different things that you're known for, or what people think you are known for, or whatever it is. And so she suggested you do what he said, which is like, lose your name and just say I am, I am, and you can repeat I am. And what it does is it really helps you become present in just being a human, in your experience that day. And that is like just being right, like we forget to just kind of be in our bodies, which is really, really cool, and you get to have that self-reflection. So, and I think it's easy to forget who we are or like or think of ourselves as, like, having all these different compartments, and then forgetting, like, why are we doing all the things we're doing? What is all this for? You know, and I really like when I lead a breath work session. I'll ask the people, like in agency, I'll ask them, like, okay, like, if you need more energy from others, put your palms up. And if you need more energy, if you want to actually keep the energy you have, you don't want any more from anyone else, put your palms down. And I actually, like, sit there and I ask myself, like, I notice I ask myself the same question, like, do I need more from others? Do I need this? So, like, being able to be present is really helpful and understanding like what we need and who we are and where the joy is coming from. So you guys, I was blown away. I'm blown away by Dr. Judith Joseph, and I am so grateful that she was on the pod. We get to say we knew her when this book goes on the bestseller list and the HFD becomes something that we all can actually like, you know, find easily if we need it. And so go, go check her out, go get her book. And I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 28:10  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 29:28  Thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you for being part of 509 episodes. Brad Crowell 29:33  What? Lesley Logan 29:34  What? When I say we can't do it without you, it is actually not just written down. It's like, truly, truly, if you don't listen, we can't make these. It's not cheap. It's free for you, not for us. 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Psychiatrist and author Dr. Judith Joseph joins Lesley to unpack "high-functioning depression," a hidden struggle affecting many high achievers who seem successful externally yet feel emotionally exhausted inside. Discover why driven individuals often overlook signs of burnout, the surprising prevalence of anhedonia (lack of joy), and Dr. Joseph's practical framework—the Five Vs—for understanding and enhancing your personal happiness. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How to spot signs of high-functioning depression and overcome anhedonia.Why your emotions, including joy and anhedonia, directly influence those around you.The role of trauma, people-pleasing, and over-functioning in our mental health.Dr. Judith's biopsychosocial model for understanding your own unique path to happiness.Easy ways to reduce burnout by shifting from constant "doing" to mindful "being."Episode References/Links:Dr. Judith Joseph Website - https://drjudithjoseph.comDr. Judith Joseph Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/drjudithjosephHigh Functioning Book by Dr. Judith Joseph - https://a.co/d/9sFHkQWAnhedonia Assessment Quiz - https://drjudithjoseph.com/anhedoniaquizGuided Meditation by Deepak Chopra - https://beitpod.com/deepakchopraGuest Bio:Judith Joseph MD, MBA, is a board-certified psychiatrist, researcher, and award winning content creator who specializes in mental health and trauma. She is chair of the women in medicine initiative at Columbia University Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons, clinical assistant professor in child and adolescent psychiatry at NYU Grossman School of Medicine and Chief Investigator at Manhattan Behavioral Medicine, New York City's Premier Clinical Research Site. Dr. Judith was awarded by the US House of Representatives with a 2023 Congress Proclamation Award for her social media advocacy and mental health research. In 2024 she was named a top 6 NAACP Mental Health Champion and a VeryWell Mind top 25 Thought leader. In 2024 She taught a Workplace Mental Health Course to The Executive Office Of The President of The United States of America. In addition to being a notable public speaker at prestigious institutions, Dr. Judith is a sought after on-air expert who has been featured on Oprah Daily's The Life You Want Series, Good Morning America, The Wendy Williams Show, Tamron Hall, Today Show, CNN News With Anderson Cooper, The Mel Robbins Podcast, and more. She recently received a 2020 and 2023 Share Care Award for her MedCircle series on PTSD and a Good Morning America investigative special on ADHD. Social media's favorite psychiatrist, Dr. Judith boasts more than 880,000 followers across platforms, a 30% increase in less than a year. Her Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and YouTube videos receive more than 15 million views per month. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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I always say Anhedonia is contagious, but joy is contagious too.Lesley Logan 0:13  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:55  Ladies, and the few good men who listen, hi. This is amazing. This is exactly an episode I wanted to have since last fall. We had a whole topic on Anhedonia, and I got so many of you reaching , going oh my God, tell me more. So, I found an expert. Get your notebooks out. If you're driving, you'll hit, you'll, just listen, because you want to listen again, you're going to take some notes, and also you're going to want to get this book. So Dr Joseph's book is going to be out April 8th, and so you, normally, I don't preview that. I let you fall in love with her and then tell you, but I'm already in love. I'm going to make sure I get my hands on a copy of this book. So definitely check it out, but here, for you to get the help that you deserve and some amazing validation of who you are and what you're going through, here is Dr. Judith Joseph. Lesley Logan 1:40  All right, Be It babe. I am honored, truly. I heard about our guest today through one of my favorite people in this world, Amy Lavell, and so Dr. Judith Joseph is our guest today. She has a story to tell us, and also has done so much research, and I wanted her on the show because my high-functioning peeps, I see you, we keep talking about not being a perfectionist, not over committing, not do all this stuff, but I thought we'd have an expert come in and talk about the journey of what that does to us and how we can get out of it. So Dr. Judith Joseph, thanks for being here. Can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at? Dr. Judith Joseph 2:12  Thank you so much, Lesley. I'm a board certified psychiatrist. I am based in New York City, and I am high-functioning. AF. All of my followers know it. I do a gazillion things on top of being a single mom. I run a lab, content creation, podcaster, author of my book High-Functioning, conducting the first ever study in the world on high-functioning depression, which is something that you know is not really recognized at all in medical literature. But I don't think the depression of our days is our grandma's depression. I think there's a whole new beast out there, and many of us don't even know that we're walking around with it. So I'm trying to demystify that and to bring useful tools to heal.Lesley Logan 2:56  Yeah, that's why I was so intrigued by you. Because what I hear all the time is like, well, I'm not depressed because I get up every day. I do 17 other things, but there's no joy in it. And so can we maybe, maybe take a step back and figure out, like, what is high-functioning depression, and what are the maybe some of the signs that we might be having it?Dr. Judith Joseph 3:15  Well, you said two really great things. You said, listen, we're still getting up. We're doing our stuff. It doesn't look like anything's wrong. And you also said something that's really key, that there's just no joy in it. And actually, the two are connected. So when you go to a doctor or therapist, they're going to pull out this bible of psychiatry called the DSM, and they're going to go through checklists. And according to the DSM, the bible of psychiatry, Diagnostic Statistical Manual, if you don't meet criteria for a lack of functioning or significant distress, but you have all these symptoms of depression, like sometimes you have poor concentration, poor sleep, feeling on edge. That's what we call psychomotor agitation or restlessness, low mood, anhedonia, which is a lack of joy and interest and pleasure in things that once used to light us up, but you don't meet that box of lack of functioning or significant distress. They're going to be like, well, you know, come back and see me when things are really falling apart. The problem with that is that there are tons of people out there who have these symptoms of depression but are still functioning and over functioning because they're the rock, right? They're the mom, they're the boss, they're the teacher, you know, they're the doctor, the nurse, that people depend on, so you can't fall apart. So how do they cope? They busy themselves. They people-please and, eventually, something's going to give either they physically burn out, they mentally burn out, they have a major depressive disorder where they actually do stop functioning. They medicate with substances or with alcohol or self-soothe by shopping too much and going broke, right? Something's gonna give. So why are we waiting for people to lose functioning to do something about this? Why aren't we preventing it? And that's where the research comes in.Lesley Logan 4:56  Oh my gosh. I think first of all, a bunch of people just were like, uh, I have all these things. That's me. I meet a lot of women who are doing all these things, and yet they don't have that joy, that anhedonia that you mentioned, and they try to get help, and the help is either medications that they don't need right now because they're not fully depressed, or they're being told to come back later, and that's so frustrating to not feel heard, and then you just keep doing because you're like, okay, well, maybe I need to do this other seven things. Maybe these things will be the thing that makes me feel better. So I know that people feel so seen, and also I really hope that this becomes the thing people can get diagnosed with, because in that bible, because it does feel like, as you said, this the depression we're having now is not from grandma, because it's true, I don't have children, but if I just were to take off for a week, my team could do a lot, but at some point I need to, like, show up, like the wheels don't spin without, you know, so , it does, it can feel like there's extra pressure on the women who are going through this. How did you get involved in this topic? Were you just seeing it as a bunch of people coming through, or is it something that you went through? Like, can you tell us a little about how you got intrigued by this? Dr. Judith Joseph 6:06  Yeah, actually, it was during 2020, I was given this talk from the same desk that I'm talking from right now, and it was a large hospital system, and it was April, and people didn't know what the pandemic was going to do. They, I mean, we didn't know anything then, and I was called in to really give people the tools to get through a tough time. And halfway through the talk, I realized, I think I'm depressed, but here I am at my desk with my gazillion degrees behind me, instructing doctors and nurses and healthcare professionals on how to heal. And I didn't even realize that I was depressed because I was a doer, you know, and I had this saying, are you a human doing, or are you a human being, right? And I think a lot of us, that's our coping mechanism, at least for me. I'm an immigrant. I come from scarcity. It was never an option of giving up. You had to, you know, if times are tough, you work harder. If you go through something like a breakup, then you just got to take on more tasks at work, you know. And a lot of us cope with our pain by busying ourselves by doing versus just being and feeling and over time that wears on you. And I found myself at that moment in time during this Zoom talk, having that epiphany, and then led me to wonder, how many people on the other side of the Zoom feel like me, because there are a lot of nurses, a lot of doctors in healthcare. Then I started looking into, you know, some I'm in Manhattan, so a lot of my clients are performers, and they went through a really hard time during the pandemic, being out of work, and then the strikes and all that. And many of them, even though they were feeling depressed, they couldn't show it. They had to mask it, because they have to perform. They have to light up a room. So I just started looking at all these different industries, moms, you know, who have to do so many things. They have to go to work, they have to take care of their jobs. They have to take care of their kids. All these people masking these symptoms and just not slowing down and doing instead of feeling and healing. And I just thought, I'm onto something. So I created a reel on socials in 2022 and it went viral. It's been seen over 10 million times around the world. And I had people reaching out to me from different countries saying, I have that. I have anhedonia. This is me. How did you know? Like people were joking, do you have a camera in my home? That's me. Lesley Logan 8:23  Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I like, as we're sitting here talking, we're two weeks into the new year, so the before, you're, you know, we're taking a few months before everyone's hearing this. And I have friends who are in LA. I lived in LA for 14 years, and, you know, I checked on my friends where I live, where I lived, is still there, because it's kind of in the total middle. And so they're still going to work. Their jobs still expect them to do the thing that they're supposed to do. So they're showing up and doing all the things, and I'm showing up doing all the things, and I'm kind of like, so do we, this is how we just, like handle everything now. We just like keep doing and I think part of it is like it feels normal. And a lot of times we, when there's tough times, we want to do the thing that feels normal, because we we don't want to experience the other thing. But I also think not a lot of us have the privilege in life to not keep doing when stuff is going on, so then you're kind of stuck. You have to keep going, because the world like you are, that's how you get paid, that's how you make a living, that's how all these, that's what people expect of you. And also, you know, there's this underlying currently you can't really deal with so it feels like what you're onto is something that will continue to be happening, but we need to be able to recognize it, so we can label it, so that we can actually go and address it, right? Because we can't just keep living like high functioning, you know, we can't just keep doing that depression. Dr. Judith Joseph 9:42  Yeah, you're absolutely right. I saw this meme, hilarious meme, where it was like, I told my mom I was depressed, and she said, boy, we broke. We don't got time for that, you know. And I thought it was so funny, because you're right when you go through hard times and you don't have the privilege to slow down or others depend on you even if you are economically sound, but others depend on you. You just don't feel like you have that privilege to slow down. You feel like, well, let me just do because that's what I've always done, but you're absolutely spot on, something's gonna give either your body breaks down. And I think that's why a lot of women have these autoimmune conditions, because women, particularly are like they just have so much on their plate. There's so much expected of them. They're not allowed to seem deflated because someone else is going to take your position. Someone's going to say you're on your period, or you're going through menopause. You know, there's just so much on our plates that we don't feel like we can slow down and certain under represented groups, same way, they're just happy to be in the room. Certain industries, doctors, like, if a doctor says that they are experiencing depression in certain hospital systems, they have to report it to the state. I mean, like, there are certain industries that you just can't even say that you're struggling. So I think that if we allow ourselves to process pain, it's not saying that we have to stop everything, because that's like the worst nightmare for someone who's had function AF. It's about teaching them how to get back into their body, how to process their trauma, so that once you start to feel the pain, then you can also feel the joy. But if you continue to numb and you keep on doing you're not going to be able to feel the pain, but you're also not gonna be able to feel the joys in life that we are all, you know, built to enjoy.Lesley Logan 11:28  That's so, thank you for sharing that. I think , like it's, to feel, I have a yoga teacher who is like, you cannot have one thing without the other. Like in the world, we want balance, you cannot have love in this world and not have hate. If you get rid of the hate, you get rid of the love. If you want to only have peace, there is war. Otherwise, you wouldn't know what you're in. And so if you want to have joy in your life, you do have to also feel your pain. And I think also not many of us were really raised on how to feel our pain. If I cried in public, it's like, hey, don't do that like you learn to mask it or bury it. And you brought up women with autoimmune issues. It is insane. How many women I know with multiple autoimmune issues, and you start to go, okay, what is going on here is either that we actually are testing for it, or the life that we're living now is causing us to harm our bodies in ways that are not visible, and not even things we would choose to do, but because we just keep shoving and not getting the help we need, or even if you're trying to get help, not being heard to get help. It's causing a lot of issues I feel like cannot be reversed, and we're missing out on a lot of life, you know. And you mentioned something about getting into your body that I love, because I'm a Pilates instructor, and I believe if you get into your body, you know so much about yourself. For the people listening, what are ways that you help people get in their body? What are the ways, the tools that you've used? Dr. Judith Joseph 12:49  Well, I love this Venn diagram called the biopsychosocial model, and I teach my patients. I teach my clients. It's three bubbles, if you can imagine them overlapping, but those three bubbles are a nice representation of each of us, and I always say your happiness is not the same as my happiness. Know the science of your happiness because a lot of people out there, they're trying all these different things, and it doesn't work for them, but that's because they're basing it off of the science of someone else's happiness. But there is only ever going to be one you. There's only ever going to be one Lesley, ever. I mean, when I think about that, I get chills, because it's like you're so unique. So understand what your makeup is. Understand your bio, which is basically your past history, in terms of your family history, your current medical conditions, what are the medicines you take? What are the supplements you take? You know? You have a very unique biology. Understand your psychology. That's the psycho part of the biopsychosocial you have traumas that are different than my traumas, right? You have resilience factors that are different than my resilience factors. You have a different attachment style, possibly to mine, right? Or different strengths or weaknesses psychologically. And then, the social aspect, we're just saying, I live in New York, you live in Vegas, there are different environmental factors there, right? You probably eat different foods than me, or we have different movement routines. You may have a different work environment than me, right? Understand your relationships. Those are all the social things. So we all have unique factors. And if we were taught to understand these overlapping diagrams, we would understand the science of our own happiness, and we wouldn't be chasing after someone else's happiness. That's number one. And knowing about the uniqueness of your happiness, if you're someone who tends to have a lot of pent up trauma in your body, then I could tell you to eat as much kale as possible, but that's not going to treat your trauma, right? So in that case, I'm going to focus on the psychology bubble of that Venn diagram, and I'm going to say, let's try and process that trauma. We may have to do some 5-4-3-2-1, exercises with you, or some more trauma-focused work, like EMDR work or trauma-focused therapy, making you feel safe again, because that's something that trauma survivors, you know, really grapple with that sense of safety and psychological safety, right? But if you're someone who, on the biological end of things, has an autoimmune condition, has headaches and really intolerable physiological symptoms, I'm not going to be like, well, let's put you in a trauma workshop, right? I'm going to say, let's work with your nutritionist, let's work with your movement specialist, let's work with your autoimmune doctor, and let's see if we can bring down the levels of inflammation, right? If the social issue is the problem, let's say you're in a toxic work environment, where every time you walk into work, you're triggered. Your heart is racing. You have broken self-esteem because people are like, not kind to you, and this is your job that you depend on for your livelihood. I'm not going to say, well, you know, let's have you go see your cardiologist. I'm going, to fix that fight or flight sensation in your chest, I'm going to say, it's your work environment. Let's see if we get you more support at work or get you out of that environment. So everyone has different factors going on, and I think that makes us really unique and special, but it also complicates things a bit further. So I wanted to democratize this tool that is taught in all of medicine and let everyone have access to it so they can understand their unique workup and areas that they should really focus on first and their step to understanding the science of their own happiness. Lesley Logan 16:24  I love that and I do see that there's a challenge there, because we are kind of trained that if you ask the question, you should get an answer, and that answer should help you. But it is true. You know, we all have different needs, especially, and at different times. And I love the idea of the three bubbles, because you can evaluate for yourself, oh, it is more of the psychos. That's where I need to go get help. It is more of this. But I do love like defining our own happiness, which is not easy if you never explored that, if that wasn't something that we were invited to do or even feel. And so I think that where I feel my listeners struggle, where I get a lot of questions, is almost like, how do they know if they're happy? How do they know? Because they're so busy doing and they might even feel like the pain of stuff that's going on, but they're having a really hard time feeling what's happy also, because I think as women, specifically, we sometimes feel bad if I'm happy and they're going through something, I should put things around so people can't see that I'm happy. I should bring my happiness. I should come down. So, I mean, is there tips on how to know what makes you happy? Dr. Judith Joseph 17:30  Yes, and that is why I have a happiness lab in New York City. And a lot of people don't know this, but happiness researchers, we very rarely use that word happy. People are like mind-boggled when they hear that, because a patientwho will come in to see me for private practice will say, all I want to do is be happy. And so I wear two hats. I wear the research hat and then the private practice hat, where I do traditional therapy and medication, but the research hat is really trying to understand whether or not this person's getting happy or worse, and we use points in research. And so I developed this scale, the Anhedonia Rating Scale. Anhedonia means a lack of joy and pleasure. So basically, you want to know how many points you're getting in these basic pleasures in life. If you have like, high anhedonia and you're not enjoying things, then that's a problem. I love to use these quantitative ways because unlike, you know, let's say diabetes, right? If you go on for diabetes tests, you know where your glucose is, you know where your hemoglobin A1C is. But with mental health, it's kind of harder, like you don't have a test where you can look at and say, oh, I'm getting happier, right? But these quantitative measures, these tests, are really helpful. So you can go on my website, take the Anhedonia Quiz and see if you're getting points of joy. Lesley Logan 18:44  You have a quiz? Dr. Judith Joseph 18:45  Yes, I have an Anhedonia Quiz on my website, and you can see whether or not you're getting points of joy in life. And then what I ask is that people practice the five V's, because that's based on the science of your happiness. So the five v's are, number one is validation. A lot of us with high functioning we're always pushing down our feelings if they're negative. We only talk about the good. We don't like to talk about the bad. Someone says, how you're doing, oh, I'm great, and your house could literally be burning down, and you're saying, great, you know? So I want people to start learning how to accept their emotions, whether they be negative or positive, and there are many tools that I give in my book on how to validate, because people have a hard time with validation. Number two is venting. How do you express your emotions? And there are ways to do healthy venting, but there are ways to engage in unhealthy venting. I do a lot of content on, you know, narcissistic parents, and a lot of us had parents who trauma dumped on us when it was not appropriate. So I talk about how to vent in an appropriate way and the different creative ways to vent. You mentioned crying. You know, crying is something that a lot of people don't engage in because they think from childhood they were told to stop crying, you know, like you're a cry baby. But crying is actually a very healthy way to express emotions. And when you cry and you let a good cry, your body calms down, you feel relaxed, you feel more connected to you. The third V is values. And I say that values are things that don't have price tags. They are things that are priceless. So tap into things that, you know what and when you think at the end of the day, your last minutes of life, you're not going to be like, I wish I had that Gucci bag. You're going to be like, I wish I had five minutes with my loved ones, or I wish I had 10 minutes to do something that I always wanted to do, you know? So tap into those values. Try to get part of those values once a day. For me, it's learning and sharing my knowledge with my daughter, so, like, I love to learn black history and science, and I teach her because she wants to be a scientist. That makes me feel great, or when I volunteer and I offer my expertise to underprivileged youth, because that was me at one point in life that makes me feel good, that, you know, that's a value that I'm going to be like, wow, I wish I could do. I wish I did more good in life, you know. And then the fourth is vital. So we only get one body and brain. We have to take care of it. And so, you know, that's probably a lot where you come in, in terms of understanding how to honor the mind-body connection, eating foods that decrease inflammation that are not processed, drinking enough water, getting sleep, you know, like putting that phone away and getting really rich sleep, getting movement that actually helps your longevity and makes you feel happier, and understanding how relationships can be very toxic. And I wish that this was taught in school when I was growing up, but a lot of people don't understand how negative relationships can really drain your life force, and then having that healthy work life balance that's all in the vitals. And then the fifth V is vision. How do you plan for joy in the future? And when I say a future, I don't mean like, 10 years from now. I mean like, as in an hour from now. So for example, after this podcast, I'm gonna have a nice dinner, probably curry or sushi, and I'm gonna eat it, not in front of a screen. I might watch a little bit of Emily in Paris, because that's my guilty pleasure. You know, like these are little points of joy that I'm gonna plan, to treat myself, because today I helped people. I talked with you, these are all things that I need to celebrate, but we don't celebrate but we don't celebrate that. We're like, well, we're supposed to be doing these things, you know, no, every time I get my daughter to school on time, I pat myself on the back, and I sit and I drink my coffee, my oat milk latte, and I take my time. I don't go straight to work. I go home. Take my time. It, 5, 10 minutes, and just say I did a good job. I got her to work. I got her to school on time today. These are all things that we can savor in life, but we rush, we're busy. We don't take the time. We don't treat ourselves like human beings. You know, how many times have you eaten in front of a screen and they're like, you can't even taste the food, you know, and you love the food, but you're like, did you enjoy that meal? Not really. I just needed to get rid of that hunger pain. So the five Vs can really help you to understand the science of your happiness. Once you do that Venn diagram, and then you apply the five Vs to your life, it can really make a difference and increase those little points of joy every day. Lesley Logan 23:11  I really love each one of those in a different way, also what I'm getting. I love that you introduced yourself as high functioning AF, because I do think that a lot of the people like myself and the people who listen to this podcast, we start to think like, maybe I should do less. If I just do less, then I'll be happier. But then we are not happier doing less, because we are people who want to do things, and we are high-functioning people we and so I loved that it's not necessarily about not doing stuff, it's about how you do stuff and how you acknowledge what you're doing. And I think that that's really special, because it's sort of going, going, going, it's like, yeah, pat, I got my kid, my daughter at school on time today. Way to go. Yes. We have an episode on Fridays here. It's called Fuck Yeah Friday. And just this year I changed it so, like, I share a story from Instagram or the internet that, like, inspired me, some woman who inspired me whatever she did. But then it's about sharing the wins from the listeners. So they send in a win, and sometimes they send in these wins, like I finally did, blah, blah, blah. And my favorite wins are, like, I actually made dinner for myself and I went to bed on time, and I'm like, yes, that's a win. That's a huge win. You know, we have to give ourselves credit for that, because, just because it's what you think you're supposed to be doing you not celebrating it is not going to help you enjoy doing it in the future, and it's not going to help you do it in the future. So I, those are my favorites, and so that's what the episode is about. It's about celebrating the things we did do, as opposed to like these achievements that we're waiting to celebrate until a certain time comes. I think that that is, it's hard to do. Most people can't see a win in something or a celebration in something that they're supposed to do. So thank you for highlighting that. Your book. You wrote a book. I think anyone who writes a book to get their word out into the world is amazing, because it's not the easiest thing to write a book. Who is the book for and what are you hoping they get from it?Dr. Judith Joseph 24:55  I'm glad you said that people who are high-functioning AF want to do everything, because five Vs is a lot. And I can personally say, and I say this in the book, pick one or two, because the rule of twos says you really shouldn't be working on more than one or two things at a time. But I like one and two. I like validation, because it's something we can all do. And I like venting a lot, like, sometimes I'll just be so exhausted, and I'm like, why am I so tired? I'm like, wait a second, I'm not practicing the five Vs. I validate, I acknowledge, actually, I am tired. I had a long day. And then I vent. Sometimes I say it out loud. Or I'll tell my partner, listen, I had a really busy day. Or I'll tell my daughter, I was like, oh, mommy, had a busy day, you know? Like, I then I really try. Or I'll, like, put something on Canva, on IG, and say I've had a rough day, or something like that, but I'm venting. I'm expressing. And the other things, you know, the values, I try to tap into at least something a little a day, you know, for my values, vitals, that's hard to get to. I don't work out every day. I try to, but it doesn't happen. But at least if I'm not going to work out, well, I'm going to eat well. And if I'm not going to eat well, I'm gonna sleep better or drink more water or limit my screen time. So, there's a temptation to want to do it all, but pick one or two and tap into it, and then score yourself and see if the anhedonia is getting better. And I really do believe that once you start to do these things that are not expensive, like these, are all things within your capacity, right, to democratize mental health, you can do these things, and your life will be happier. But this book is for that family member who never acknowledges how they're feeling when they struggle because they're the rock. The book is for that entrepreneur who really is afraid of bankruptcy, doesn't ever want to be in that position again, and overworks and overextends and doesn't enjoy their wins. It's for that mom out there who puts everyone before herself, who feels depleted but can't slow down because she feels empty and restless when she sits still she doesn't even know what makes her happy anymore. You know, it's for that immigrant student who feels as if everyone's dreams are on their back and they can't fail, they can't tell anyone that they're struggling, it really is for those people who wear a mask, like the educator, the teacher who spends all their money getting their students supplies, but doesn't even eat lunch, you know like you are seeing you matter, so take care of yourself, because there's no one else like you, and you're worthy of it.Lesley Logan 27:27  That is so beautiful, and I love that you can be in a different walk of life and this book is still for you, because there is, we all have these dreams and aspirations, and sometimes those are other people's dreams and aspirations on top of that, and it can just be a lot. I'm assuming the five Vs are in this book. If people want to, like, read and score and write notes, I do want to attach that I love, that you put values in there. It's something I really in this house, like, we like to all filter things through my, our values. And I'm like, that's a no, because it's not hitting one of these things, and I can't take on more than that. So I love that. And if it can fit one of these things, I could do it, but doesn't. But I never thought about, like, how to make sure I'm acting with that as a way of finding some joy. Because, yeah, that's really, really cool. And yes, I love that if you're not moving well, then eat well. And if you're not going to eat well, then you got to sleep well. You got to do something. You got to do something for your body. Yes. For you, you practice those five Vs because so in 2020 you felt like, okay, I must have this, like, high-functioning depression thing. Obviously, you worked your way through and this is where you're at, is this something that, as a high-functioning person, you might dip in and out of or you can start to recognize it. And the goal is, like you recognize it faster, so you don't go into the depression for too long before you get yourself out. Like, I guess what I'm asking is for my perfectionist is like, is this a light switch once we get over our shit, can we feel really awesome and we never have to go back? Or is this something that we gotta just monitor?Dr. Judith Joseph 28:55  I'm glad you said that, because one of the risk factors for this is something called people-pleasing. But people don't realize that people-pleasing is actually a watered down version of masochism. So before the term masochistic personality disorder was removed from the DSM, the bible of psychiatry, it was really a caricature of someone who sacrifices their own happiness for someone else's happiness, or who's constantly in a position of giving and not getting. And when people think of masochism, they think of sex. But it's not that type of masochism. It's the personality traits that makes people bend over backwards when they shouldn't be but they feel as if that's the only way right? These are doers. They do, do do but what ends up happening is that the takers, they don't, like, thank you. They're resentful of you. They're like, well, do everything because you wanted something, or did you think I wasn't capable? So it actually backfires. So falling into these traits of being a doer is a pattern. It's a way of life for so long but yeah, you're going to work on yourself, but there's going to be a time when you fall back, and I'm guilty of that too. I'm constantly oscillating. But when I start to practice the five Vs and I'm like, let me, like I just demonstrated, let me validate that I went through a hard day, let me acknowledge these feelings, it's easier for me to snap out of that downward spiral because I'm practicing these skills. And so I always explain happiness as when we think of happiness, we think of this picture in the future, like I finally got the job, or I finally got the clout, or I finally got the thing that I wanted, the person that I wanted, the home that I wanted. And then what research shows us is that when we get these things, we're still unhappy. We're on to the next right? So my philosophy has shifted to finding happiness in the now. So when I get into that slump where I'm like, looking around me and I'm like, oh, so and so is doing that, and I'm starting to feel low, and maybe I should be doing more, it's easier for me to snap back into my values, right? I acknowledge how I feel, I validate, I vent it, but then I also tap into my values. And I'm like, wait, but I don't value what they value. My values are different, and I'm pretty good right here, where I am, I'm pleased in what I value right now. So that allows me to slow down. And so I think the more you practice this, the more exposure you get to this. Not only do you change, but the people around you change. I always say anhedonia is contagious, but joy is contagious, too. If you've ever had a boss that was a micromanager who was doing everything and you all were like, oh my gosh, we're so busy, we're all burnt out. And if that something good happened to that boss, let's say they finally dated someone, or they finally got validation in life, or something happened and or maybe even they got ill and they realized this is not important. When that boss shifts, the organization shifts, right? An organization is only as good as its CEO. So I think that anhedonia is contagious, but so is joy. So when you start to shift inside, people are going to notice it. They're going to come towards you and be like something's different. I want what you have, and you may not be more successful, you may not have more money, you may not be more beautiful, but you have something that they want, and they're going to gravitate towards you, but you have to get it for yourself. They can't have what you have. And I really do think that people will start to cultivate joy within themselves by understanding the science of your happiness and applying your five Vs to your life. Lesley Logan 28:55  Oh my gosh. I feel like every woman has to get this book for their best friend, just even as preventative, even if your friend isn't going through this yet, it's true that anhedonia is contagious, and also so can that high function like the doing can be contagious too. So I really appreciate you. I feel like we could learn so much. Now I might have to just binge out on every video you make, but I can't wait to read the book when it comes out, and probably send it to 17 of my friends. So we're gonna take a brief break, though, and then find out where people can find you, follow you, work with you, get your book and then your Be It Action Items. Lesley Logan 32:58  All right, Dr. Judith, you truly have given us a wealth of knowledge. Where can people connect with you, get your book. Where do you like to hang out? Dr. Judith Joseph 33:06  So they can buy my book at drjudithjoseph.com or follow me on IG, Dr. Judith Joseph and all the socials they could find my book there. And if you order before the pub date, you get preorder bonuses, and I have courses on the science of your happiness and ways to take you through the five Vs. Lesley Logan 33:27  Oh my goodness. Thank you so much for bringing you. You really have given us a lot, the five Vs is amazing. So if that ends up being part of this Be It Action Items, that's totally fine with me, but something that caused this podcast to exist is I would be drawn to someone and love what they said, and then going, okay, like, what is my first next step, though, you know? And so the bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? Dr. Judith Joseph 33:51  I just recently did this guided meditation with Deepak Chopra, and he said something that I thought was profound. He just kept saying, lose your name and just say I am. And it's really like a part of the just be, you know, what is it to just be? And if you could just take five minutes a day just to feel your being, just to get to know yourself again, I think many of us have forgotten who we are. So if you could just be, you know, I say, be a human being, not a human doing, you could learn so much about yourself. That self-reflection time, you could practice the five V's during that time, you could just practice one, validation, right, and just be. It sounds simple, but I think it's very difficult for a lot of us to just be. Lesley Logan 34:40  To sit for five minutes is very difficult. And you guys, like, what I found is like, 30 minutes is only 2% of your day, so five minutes is, like, not even a half a percent. So I don't do math well, so don't correct me. But if we cannot take five minutes for our day, we really do have to re evaluate what we're doing and who we're doing it for, because that is not the easiest thing to just be for five minutes, but ooh, I sit in a cold plunge every morning for four minutes, four minutes. And here's why, my tub is not big enough for my whole body. So three minutes with like, shoulders, hips, stomach, ankles, and then a minute for the knees to go in. And what I can say is I don't want to do it before I get in. I step in and I'm like, why am I doing this? I get in, I'm like, the air is sucked out, and then within a few seconds, you kind of settle in, and you're like, I just have to be here for four minutes. This is all I have to do. And it really is something that I'm so grateful that I do every day, because it does let me, like, set to go okay, today is today. Here I am today. I'm not even thinking about the schedule. It's just kind of like this moment and just being in this moment, where am I feeling this and how am I doing? And I highly recommend it. You don't have to get a plunge, but it just sits still for five minutes and see how you're doing. I highly recommend. I love that Be It Action Item. I think it'll be a challenge for a lot of people, unfortunately, but also I hope it's one that they take on, because I do love that. Dr. Judith, you are fabulous. I hope to one day, run into you and see what you're doing changing this world, because I do think this, your book and what you're saying are really what people are needing to hear right now. And I also just want to highlight one more time, everything you said in those five Vs is not actually going to cost a lot of money. It's like things you can just do by evaluating and addressing. So I appreciate tips like that. So thank you being you. Lesley Logan 36:18  Y'all, how are you gonna use these tips in your life? Make sure you tag Dr. Judith, you tag the Be It Pod, share this with a friend, but this is a friend who needs to hear it, you know, sometimes we feel like we have to help everyone, and sometimes we can help them by sending Dr. Judith's words to them so that she can help them and you can go back to taking care of you. So thank you so much. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 36:39  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 37:21  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 37:27  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 37:31  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 37:37  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 37:42  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

It's time to celebrate your wins, Be It babe! In this Fuck Yeah Friday episode, Lesley shares an inspiring story of resilience from librarians saving books, uplifting wins from the eLevate community, and a personal self-care journey that's bringing unexpected joy. Whether it's investing in your Pilates practice, embracing new routines, or simply learning to indulge in self-care, this episode is your reminder that now is the time to prioritize yourself. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How librarians used creativity to save books.A Pilates instructor's exciting new investment in her home practice.The power of videotaping your workouts for self-awareness.Lesley's personal self-care journey and why it's making such a difference.The overall rewarding experience of her nighttime routine.Episode References/Links:Librarian Vibes Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/p/DFqRH11yxZuEp. 337 Ashley Black - https://beitpod.com/ep337 If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/ Resources:·        Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-g·        Lesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/·        Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/·        Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/·        Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQ·        Profitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/ Follow Us on Social Media:·        Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/·        The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-g·        Facebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilates·        LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/·        The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  It's Fuck Yeah Friday. Brad Crowell 0:01  Fuck yeah. Lesley Logan 0:02  Get ready for some wins. Lesley Logan 0:05  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.All right, Be It babe, hello. How are you? Happy Friday. So this is where I share a little bit of inspo that I got from the internet, a little bit of inspo from you, and a little bit of inspo from me, and then a little mantra. It's the Fuck Yeah Friday. If you're new to our podcast, this is our short episode. It's really a lot of fun. You never know what you're gonna get. But also, I might share one of your wins, so send them in. Literally, send your wins in. Please, come on. It's so much fun. So this inspired me when I was on Instagram, and it comes from librarian.vibes, and it says, librarians create fake library card to save thousands of books. I know. Isn't this amazing? So this librarian said there's nothing more sacred to a librarian than a library card. But when a town in Florida decided to burn all the books that hadn't been taken out in a while, local librarians made a fake card for one Chuck Finley, Chuck, who doesn't exist, checked out 2,361 books to keep them from being Fahrenheit 451.So I truly love this. I love a little bit of resistance to like things that just aren't making any sense. And so may I just suggest that if you are afraid of amazing books being banned or not being able like one of the ways you can do it. I saw this other girl on Instagram every month just going and buying some of the books on the banned list, just going and buying them while they're still around where she's at, so that they stay in existence, right? So this inspired me, very inspired by it. So anyways, I hope that inspires you. Isn't that kind of cool? 2,361 books don't get burned because Chuck Finley doesn't exist. Check them out. Love that. Love that for them. Okay, so your wins that came through, honestly, I've spent a lot of time with my eLevators, so I'm gonna share some of theirs. So this one is from Lisa Osoteo, dear eLevator family, I'm so excited to introduce to you Esme, my Wunda chair, short for Esmeralda, in honor of her beautiful grotto, teal green color and Violet, my sumptuous Spine Corrector. I chose the colors sight unseen, just computer swatches, and when I got Violet, she lived up to her name, though, truth be told, she also gives off a Barney and Grimace vibe. So despite her proper sounding given name, she's also Biolet Barney Grimace or VBG. If she's wanting to be posh, she'll also answer to Violet Bader Ginsburg, her name when she helps me inhabit a spine of steel. I did my first chair workout yesterday on Esme, and she kicked my butt. I haven't yet to be broken in by VBG. This dynamic duo put me through my paces. Kidding aside, I'm celebrating that. One, eLevators taught me the value of a personal practice. And two, that my practice warrants investing in my own classical Pilates equipment. And three, that I have the knowledge to know which equipment I need to support an essential home practice. And finally, four, that I have this community who share Pilates equipment birth announcements. It's a thing, Esme and Violet. February 4th 2025 I mean, so fun. I wish I could post you the picture. It's just adorable and amazing, and the colors are beautiful. And now I need to get my own violet version of something for my studio. I have a grotto, and it is stunning. It is a color is worth repeating. So thank you, Lisa, for letting us celebrate the births of Esme and VBG. This next one is Christine Ivy, and she is one of my new eLevators, and she wrote. I videotaped myself doing the mat so I could watch and see where I am in my practice, especially in terms of stable shoulder girdle connection and back extension. It was really helpful to see evidence of where I am and what I need to work on, humbling and helpful. And I wanted to share that with you guys as a win, because here's the deal, my loves. We've all heard feelings are not facts, you know what I mean? Like, like feelings are not facts. And in our bodies, it's really easy for us to feel like we are in extension when really we're just like a PEZ dispenser with our neck, or feel like we're tall when really we're leaning forward. So I don't like mirrors in a studio, although obviously they have to exist in a little bit. But I don't love people just looking at themselves all the time. I kind of like people moving their bodies and then film something. And so at OPC, we actually let our members film themselves doing an exercise or two and send them in. And I can give feedback, because it may be that they just need to move their feet a little bit further to the right, or they need to actually reach down through their heels more, like sometimes, just need someone else's eyes to tell you what you're feeling, yes, but also here it is, and then you can find it better, and you can find it faster. And I just love that we do that. So thanks, Christine, for sharing that win because it's not easy to look at yourself and go, okay, oh, I see, I feel like I'm doing like this, but really, I'm cheating myself out of this. So thanks for sharing that. I can't wait to see how your practice continues to grow inside of eLevate. All right, a win of mine. So you guys, I gotta be honest, I think I've shared this part of this as a win earlier this year, but here we are in April, and this is about a year ago when, like, my lashes grew in and I could, like, finally doing it with them, but I am sharing that I have truly, absolutely loved, having fun getting to do a self-care routine that is for my face. When I had fake lashes, you can't really wash your face, you can't rub your eyes. You couldn't do that right? And so I'm obsessed with washing my face and then putting this moisturizing rinse on my eyes in the shower and gua sha-ing my skin. And I actually have learned how to gua sha with just my fingers as well, because there's ways you can do that for your lymphatic drainage. I know you're like how is this a win? It is a win because one, I absolutely love doing my makeup. I think it's really a lot of fun. I don't go off to go do my makeup. I also go out without my makeup all the time, but I am actually having so much fun getting to know myself and my look and who I am. But more importantly is the removal of the makeup and having access to my whole face and then the self care that I can do. And if you're like, wow, she's really indulging herself. Yes, I am, and I hope it inspires you, because, my goodness, we all need to be a little more indulgent about how our bodies feel. And I say this, my mean, like massaging my face. Because, my goodness, if you we talked about this with Ashley Black, the fascia person you know, spending 20 minutes like fascia-blasting your body, what that does for you. And so here I am in April, truly loving all the things I can do for myself. And I, you know, some of us like, oh, I gotta go gua sha. I've gotta go wash my face. Gotta go brush my teeth. Honestly, there's something so rewarding about cherishing all the things that I do as a nighttime routine, not only do they help me sleep, but also they really do make me feel good inside and out. So I hope that this win of me having a habit of gua sha-ing my face and loving taking my makeup off gives you some inspiration on like where you can have some gratitude, and also where you can be a little more indulgent, right? All right, a mantra for you. Here we go. We gotta leave you with something to think about. Now is the time. Now is the time. My loves, whatever you're thinking about doing, and when am I gonna do it? Now is the time. Here's your sign. Thank you so much for letting me share all this stuff with you. It's really a lot of fun to do solo episodes, celebrating your wins, celebrating something in my life, celebrating something that was pretty cool, that someone did. And a mantra, if you have any wins you want me to share, please send them in, because you might need to hear them today. Wouldn't it be amazing if you were having a rough day and then you heard about something you did for yourself? Bet you it would change your day. All right, loves, you know what to do. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 8:48  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 8:53  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 8:57  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 9:04  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals. Brad Crowell 9:08  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Transcribed by https://otter.aiSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Recapping Lesley's powerful conversation with Monique Rhodes, a globally recognized happiness strategist, this episode explores how small, intentional shifts—like practicing gratitude, creating a “bubble of influence,” and embracing discomfort—can lead to greater joy and emotional strength. Tune in for Monique's actionable steps for managing negativity and reclaiming your peace and purpose.  If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How the "bubble of influence" creates joy for yourself and others.Our societal obsession with comfort and why embrace discomfort.How gratitude reframes your mindset and increases happiness.The danger of toxic positivity—and why feeling all emotions matters.The “Sixes Method” for letting go of stress and gaining perspective.Episode References/Links:April UK Mullet Tour Waitlist - https://opc.me/ukApril Spring Pilates Training - https://opc.me/eventsPilates Studio Growth Accelerator - https://prfit.biz/acceleratorCambodia October 2025 Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comMonique Rhodes Website - https://moniquerhodes.comMonique Rhodes Happiness Activation System - https://iintendtobehappy.comTara Schuster's Book: Buy Yourself the Fucking Lilies - https://a.co/d/etSRpDr If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:53  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the gratifying convo I had with Monique Rhodes in our last episode. I was also a happy episode. It was like a happy convo. Brad Crowell 1:04  It was awesome. Lesley Logan 1:04  It was so, I'm obsessed with this woman. Gotta figure out how to get on a retreat with her. Anyways, you have to listen to that one. I don't care when you listen to it, but it's a must. Brad Crowell 1:14  It's a directive. We're telling you, you gotta go listen to the last episode. Lesley Logan 1:18  I really enjoyed. It was just so great. Brad Crowell 1:19  She's very inspiring, very compelling. Lesley Logan 1:21  Yeah. But also I found myself going, oh crap, I have to stop the episode. Like, I have to stop interviewing her, because it's time. Brad Crowell 1:29  Oh, you mean it just kept going. You were like keep going. Lesley Logan 1:31  I just kept going. I was just like, I'm just gonna keep talking. I like, love this woman. Anyways, before we get into Monique Rhodes, today is April 3rd 2025 and it's Weed Out Hate Day. It's a day that speaks of the importance of being kind and thoughtful towards others. This holiday is much needed in today's world, especially in today's world so where selfishness reigns supreme and assholes do, too. I inserted that myself. Marc Daniels came up with the holiday in honor of his grandfather, Ross Daniels, the inventor of the Ross Root Feeder. This revolutionary irrigation tool allowed nutrients to get to the deepest roots and trees of our plants, thus helping them achieve peak health and more bountiful harvest. The main goal of Weed Out Hate Day is connect gardeners and kindergarteners with the natural world while improving society in the process. Weed Out Hate Day removes the roadblocks that prevent children from achieving their full potential. Those who participate in the ceremony learn to kick out any negative influences in their lives and bring in more positive aspects. I think that's cool. I think somehow they took they're like, we take out weeds, and we are gonna help children take out the weeds in their lives. Brad Crowell 2:40  Yeah, they're gonna inspire kids. I think that was really great. Lesley Logan 2:42  I think so too. I think I love it so much. Brad Crowell 2:44  That's a heck of a marketing team. Lesley Logan 2:46  It really, really is Ross. Ross the rooter. Brad Crowell 2:52  Marc came up with it. Lesley Logan 2:53  I know, but his dad was, grandfather was Ross the rooter. Anyways. Well, I mean, there are certain people in this world that I think are freaking worthy of all the hate in the world. There are individual people with names we all know. But that being said, unfortunately, we live in a world where they're like just people are hating on entire groups of people, or trying to inspire hate on all groups of people. And I think we can all understand that everyone just wants love and to feel seen, and it actually is a lot easier to love strangers, than hate them. It's really freaking hard. But also, if you're like, I don't have the time to think about other people in this world, Lesley. That's fine. Remove the haters in your life. Block and bless. Goodbye. Lesley Logan 3:30  Okay, we are getting really, really close to a couple April things that you need to know about, and one of them is when we go to the UK this fall. If you are in the UK or the EU and you want to join the workshops that we're doing, at two different cities, you're going to want to go to opc.me/uk to get on the waitlist, because those on the waitlist will get the early bird price, and these events can sell out pretty quickly, because they sold out last time we were there. Space is small, so we're only gonna have so many. So not only would you get the best price, but you would also get the option to actually attend, because it will only go public if there are rooms, there are spots left. So, opc.me/uk. Also happening in April. It's going.Brad Crowell 4:10  Meaning get on the waitlist, because if it sells out on the waitlist, then we're not even going to announce it. Lesley Logan 4:15  Right, right. You'll just hear that we're going, and you'll have missed out. Brad Crowell 4:18  Yep. So, opc.me/uk. Lesley Logan 4:21  And we're not doing the UK in 2026 I'm going to tell you right now. So the next one, I don't know when that is. April 27th through May 3rd is going to be the. Brad Crowell 4:30  Spring Training. Lesley Logan 4:31  Spring Training. You guys, I just picked out the uniforms for the teachers.Brad Crowell 4:35  Oh, you did.Lesley Logan 4:35  Yeah. Brad Crowell 4:36  Nice. Lesley Logan 4:37  Yeah. It's like an actual baseball tee. Brad Crowell 4:38  Oh, cool. Lesley Logan 4:39  It's so cool. It's so cute. But now, because August is the bat dog, I feel like we need to get, like, a costume for him. I just gotta, I gotta find it out. Anyways, it's going to be April 27th through May 3rd. If you're an OPC member, it's free. If you're not an OPC member, you're going to want to go to opc.me/events to get on the waitlist, because those on the waitlist will save money on the ticket to your Spring Training. And the theme is the Pilates Push Up, and if you hate it, then this is for you. And if you love it, then we'll see you there. But if you hate it, you have to come, because whatever you hate you gotta do twice. We got not 10 classes. So there you go, plenty of opportunities to discover some love for it. Brad Crowell 5:15  Opc.me/events, oh, side note, it actually wraps up on the International Pilates Day, which is May 3rd. So, how fun is that? Lesley Logan 5:23  Is that possible because are we ending on a Saturday? Brad Crowell 5:25  Yeah. Lesley Logan 5:26  Oh, then it is on International Pilates Day. Some, in my brain we were ending on a Sunday. And I'm like, okay, somehow we got that wrong. But no, and you know what, guys? Call your friend. Yeah. Okay. Up next, Brad has something very special for the Pilates teachers and studio owners in this world. Brad Crowell 5:42  Yeah, that's right. If you're feeling stuck in your Pilates business and you're trying to figure out, how do I grow, or how do I make more money, or how to get new clients, I want you to join me. Come to a free webinar where I'm talking about growth, growth for your Pilates business, whether you have a studio, whether you have a home studio, or you're taking clients and renting from someone else, it's all applicable. Lesley Logan 6:04  This is all really important. It's important you know the growth that you want, and that's very, that's really important to me because a lot of companies that coach Pilates businesses, they all have one way to coach you, and it is to grow you to a place that might not be where you want to go, might mean not how you want to teach. And I just had someone DM me today that they're like, quitting teaching because they're exhausted from the model that they've been doing. She's like, yeah, I'm gonna get another job. I just can't do it anymore. And I was like, well, that's really sad. It's sad for you. It's sad for the people who could be taught by you. And if you are feeling like you're in burnout, if it keeps going the way it's going, then you actually need our help. The world can't lose you because you're the only person who can do what you do the way that you do it. So go to prfit.biz/accelerator to hear more about all that goodness, and then.Brad Crowell 6:49  Profit without the O, prfit.biz/accelerator.Lesley Logan 6:52  And then, you guys gotta come to Cambodia. I want to spend, I get to spend a week with you. It was so funny when people were leaving, I was like, oh, they're gone. There was a space missing on Friday morning. And we're like, oh, everyone has left the space for Sarah, because she had to leave on the Thursday night, well it's almost like Friday morning, so she got to all the things but the last class. And we're like, oh, Sarah's gone. And then we said goodbye to everyone, because they were leaving. And so we went off to do something, and we're like, oh, it's just the four of us now. And then the next day we say goodbye to that, last year, we're like, oh, we're alone. We're alone by now. Like, you just think, I'm a family, and it's so fun. So you want. Brad Crowell 7:33  It was amazing. We had an incredible group in February. Lesley Logan 7:35  Well, we already have a great group coming this October. We have people who have come before, so they're doing that second one. Brad Crowell 7:40  That's right, coming a second time and bringing somebody new. A couple of OPC members are coming. Agency members are coming. Do we have eLevators yet on this one? Regardless. Lesley Logan 7:50  One of the repeaters is an eLevator. Brad Crowell 7:52  Oh, eLevators. Yeah. Lesley Logan 7:53  You don't have to be any of those things. You can just come and then we can hang out and you can see if you want to do more things with us, or you can say that was fabulous. Thank you for my lovely vacation. Bye. Just really awesome. So go to crowsnestretreats.com to snag your spot for this October. In 2026, we're only offering the retreat one time, and so you don't want to wait two years. I'm just saying. You don't want to wait two years. Okay, we have to get to Monique, because I really want to talk about Monique, but first we have an audience question. Brad Crowell 8:25  Okay. Sierra Pilates in Prague on the IG says, Hey, regarding the 100, what are your favorite cues when teaching it to beginners? Lesley Logan 8:28  So everyone's obsessed with cues. I think we've talked about cues before on this podcast. There are no favorite cues for beginners. Beginners just need to do the best that they can, and it needs to be simple. So no straightening your legs across the room like a mermaid tail. That's not it. Like, honestly, it's curl your head and chest up, pump your arms up and down. Okay. Are you breathing? Breathe in, breathe out, and then give them a break, and then do it again.Brad Crowell 8:54  Especially for beginners, like, I'm a beginner, okay? I don't even know how the damn exercise works when the cues get complicated, I'm thinking more about the analogy or the complication than I am about the thing I'm supposed to be doing.Lesley Logan 9:09  And then when I say, do the 100 the next time you're like, what exercise is that? Because there was so many cues coming at you that you couldn't actually remember the name of the exercise, but the movement of the exercise to do the exercise so you can get corrections, which is, to me, what people mean when they mean cues. I think they mean like a correction or a direction.Brad Crowell 9:27  And I actually think that when you get to the point where somebody understands, you say the 100, and they're still doing it wrong, or they need to improve on something, the cue then that you are making it's personal to the body in front of you. Lesley Logan 9:42  Way to go, babe. That's exactly it. You can't just, there could be 75,000 things you could say.Brad Crowell 9:49  You might end up with half a dozen different ones that you regularly use, because you see that many clients, and you see a similar problem. But honestly, it's not a one size fits all. It's literally, it's not possible for that to be the thing. Lesley Logan 10:01  So I would just say, like, I actually don't necessarily have beginners lift their legs up for the 100. I also, we've talked about this before, I don't teach them in tabletop either. I just leave their legs down and I see if they can actually do the head and chest curl and without using their neck. And if they can, then when they come down, I'm like, okay, this time we're gonna lift your legs up and then, and if that goes like crap. Guess what, this time, put your legs down, pump your arms. That's what I would just say. So no cues, because they gotta know what they exercise. Thank you for that question. Send your questions and I love answering them. They're so much fun for me. Okay, now we gotta get into Monique Rhodes. Brad Crowell 10:34  Yes, stick around. We'll be right back. Brad Crowell 10:36  All right, welcome back. Let's talk about Monique Rhodes. Monique is a globally recognized happiness strategist and expert in mental resilience, mindfulness and purposeful living. She teaches practical methods to help individuals shift perspectives, build emotional resilience and cultivate a fulfilling life. Her work is featured in over 70 colleges and universities worldwide, which I didn't know that, that's insane, and she collaborates with leading corporations to enhance well being and productivity through her programs, retreats and speaking engagements. Monique empowers thousands to live with more ease and intention. What an inspiring conversation. Lesley Logan 11:15  So inspired. I was so inspired. I've actually talked about this little thing I'm about to talk about right now, almost daily, because I just really love it. She said everywhere we go, we've got all these things that are showing us there's loads of reasons to be miserable. Like, literally, every time you open up your phone, anytime you talk to a friend, they're like, here are 70 ways to be miserable. Or if you even, hey, oh my God, this is going on, someone else goes oh, but this is happening over here. People just want to bring us down all the time, because there's a fuck ton of shit going on in this world. But you know what, you can also be happy, and there can be a fuck ton of shit going on this world. Not that you're like, the shit makes you happy, but like, you have a life that's happy and there's this going on. So anyways, she said, instead of absorbing stress and chaos, you can create a little bubble of influence that is our small ways you can create joy daily. And she talked about the bubble of influence is like us doing nice things for other people. That brings us joy, because we did something nice for other people, and it makes other people also have joy as well. And so it was really quite cool. She said there are so many small ways that we can influence our lives that we don't even think about. We can sit every day and say to ourselves, what am I grateful for?Brad Crowell 12:19  I feel like this is the episode that people are going to save. Favorite it, not this one, but the one before, the interview, and they're going to listen to it again and again, because I don't even remember her saying that, and I recently listened to it, right? There's so many things in this episode. I also think that in the section, she was talking about chaos and politics and all this stuff. And she said, we don't have any control over that. We don't have any control over that. My argument would be, we can participate by voting, and we can participate by. Lesley Logan 12:50  Calling our congressman. But once you've done all that, that's really it. You can vote with your dollars all those things. So that's what you can do. But beyond that, I can't make the people that I voted for do the thing that I asked them to do. I can't make them so I can only do what I can do. So I can't just go, oh, I'm gonna stress around what they didn't do today. Instead, I can actually go, what am I grateful for, though? And here's what's really, gonna add to this. I'm reading another book. Buy Yourself the Fucking Lilies or something like that. Anyways, I thought it was new. It's not. It's been around for a while, but I'm gonna try to get her on the pod. I'm gonna DM her, since it's not a new book, she clearly is not busy promoting the book, but she said do a daily 10 gratitudes in your journal, so if you don't know what to journal, yeah. Tara Schuster, hi, Tara, if you're listening, I want you on the pod. Okay, that would be amazing. So buy yourself the Fucking Lilies, and I got a signed copy, by the way. I know. I just bought it off a shelf, and there it was. So anyways, she suggested in your journal just write down 10 things you're grateful for. It can be like, I'm really grateful that I painted my walls white and not the orange color that they were before. I don't know. You can come up with 10 things you're grateful for, because it does change how you feel about your day, which will change the happiness that you are experiencing in your life. Brad Crowell 14:04  I also like the bubble of influence, this idea that we can separate ourselves from the fear, the chaos that is bringing us down. I thought that was really cool.Lesley Logan 14:14  So we talked, the bubble of influence was like a simple compliment to a someone's smile. I love your smile. And I talked about this in the pod, like, my mom has this way of like, she doesn't let a person go by without giving them a compliment. Oh my God, those shoes are so good on you. Like, this person is just walking by, but you do it too. You just did it at the airport. He does it at the airport. He's, I like your jacket. The person didn't notice. So he's like, hey, I like your jacket. And this other guy goes, who me? And Brad said, no.Brad Crowell 14:40  I said no. And he goes, I didn't think so as he looks down his jacket, that's not awesome. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't like complimentary. It was funny. Lesley Logan 14:48  Complimenting other people actually makes them feel good, and it also reinforces your positive mindset, because it shows that you're looking for things to compliment people on or do things for people. So anyways, it's just really great. Go on, Brad. You say yours. Brad Crowell 15:00  Okay, all right, all right, all right. So I really loved when she was clarifying toxic positivity, right? Because people who are happy all the time, they must just be ignoring what isn't beneficial or happy to them, like they're suppressing it somehow. And she said, whatever emotions you suppress means that you're suppressing emotions across the spectrum, right? So you can't just suppress negative emotions. If you're suppressing emotions, you're suppressing emotions everywhere, right? The way that I took this too, is like, I guess it's not possible to suppress the negative emotions and still feel the positive emotions. Is what that really meant to me. Lesley Logan 15:37  Yeah, I mean, our yoga teacher, he talked about, you can't have love without hate, right? Like you can't actually experience love without having experienced hate. You cannot actually experience being healthy without experiencing sickness. So I love that her to talk about, if you suppress negative emotions, you're suppressing the emotions around that across the spectrum, so you're just starting, and then you're not going to feel anything at all, which is like, not, that's not a joyful life, either. Brad Crowell 16:06  Yeah. Well, she mentioned that we are stuck on this idea that we have to be comfortable all the time. And this really resonated with me. Lesley Logan 16:15  This was such a fun part of the conversation. Brad Crowell 16:17  Yeah, it was, just listening, like, first off, y'all, she decided to just move to India and motorcycled around India for four years. It wasn't like I did a trip for a month, no, four fucking years. That's insane. I loved it. I think that's amazing. And she said she intentionally picked these tiny little guest houses. And she said, life was kind of crazy, and you survived on the people being generous around you, and that just she obviously is not from India, right? So she stands out, but she was able to do it, and loved it. And she said it was an absolutely incredible experience. But she said, it's not comfortable. It's literally not comfortable.Lesley Logan 16:56  I actually really like this. And this is going to be another shout out to the retreat, if you want to experience a little discomfort, but you would like it to be comfortable, the retreat is really great for that, because. Brad Crowell 17:06  We don't have an infinity pool. Lesley Logan 17:07  We don't. We have curated an amazing schedule, but we can't control the weather. And on this trip, it was 94 degrees Fahrenheit, with 50% humidity, and you would be out, and we're like, wow, but you would also be taking in all this amazing stuff going on, and so you were uncomfortable, but also enjoying yourself. And it was just so cool to watch people who like, that's not how they would choose to live. That's not how their life is. But it also shows you what you're capable of, like, I'm capable of going out sweating like a crazy person and still having a good time. Brad Crowell 17:40  We do have air conditioning in the room. Lesley Logan 17:41  We do. Also, the beds are extremely comfortable. I really like them. Brad Crowell 17:45  Yeah. But this idea of being obsessed with comfort, and that's our society, especially in the United States, we are obsessed with comfort. We feel like we have to make things luxurious for ourselves at all times. And she said, what if you ate dinner sitting on the floor, like, you could do that in your house, where you have all the luxuries. Lesley Logan 18:03  Yeah, we were in line for security, you and me in Singapore, and in Asian airports, you guys, they don't have one security system that everybody goes through. And then you're on the other side of security. You actually have to have a ticket to get into the airport, but you can go get coffee, you have a nice meal, and go shopping all the things, and then you go to your gate, and that's where there's a security thing, right? Brad Crowell 18:24  So you don't do security until you're about to board. Lesley Logan 18:27  So there's literally, which is so nice, because sometimes you come into the airport with something, you're drinking. So you can do that at these airports and come in with some of what your drinking. So anyways, they only have, like, four bins, and this woman, who's five people behind us, so Brad and I have our bins, we are putting our stuff in our bin. And this woman, and she was an American, and she's like, walks up to the lady who's so nice and like, getting people their bins and giving it to them and answering questions, like, we don't have enough bins back here. And she said it so loud. Brad Crowell 18:59  She takes one of the bins, and clearly isn't looking, clearly doesn't actually pay attention at all. Lesley Logan 19:04  So now there's less bins for the people in front of her. Brad Crowell 19:07  Right, because there's only four or five in the entire security line, and they're being sent back to her on a little conveyor belt, and she snags one out of it, and the the lady that's working it like looked at her and kind of went, okay. Lesley Logan 19:20  I did an audible, I looked her in the eyes and kind of rolled my eyes at her, because that was like me going, that was dramatic. That was like unacceptable behavior. And I'm now Canadian, if you're from the States, because we're not the same person. She could not be uncomfortable standing in line waiting for her turn. And so I'm just going to say, lady, if you're listening, hi, you were seen. And this podcast is for you. Learn to be uncomfortable, because you'll have, we, it was such a happy experience, I know.Brad Crowell 19:51  So here's, here's where we go with this, right? She said, if you're uncomfortable like that, she said, instead of letting emotions take over, which this woman clearly did, she suggests observing them without judgment. If you're feeling angry, sit with that anger. Where is it in your body? Wow, this anger is in my this is inside of me right now. It's making my shoulders tight. It's making my stomach feel a little sick. It's making me feel warm. But I'm just going to sit here and I'm going to observe it. Lesley Logan 20:16  Right, because then you actually feel your feelings. You're not suppressing them, and you're also not letting them control you. You get all the benefits of all of the things, which I think is just what we all need. So anyways, you guys, next time you're uncomfortable, take Monique's and think about it. What was it? What are you feeling? Anyways, we could talk about Monique forever, but really you could just go listen to her, but before, we have to talk about her Be It Action Items. Brad Crowell 20:39  Yes. So stick around. We will be right back. Brad Crowell 20:43  All right, let's talk about those, Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Monique Rhodes? She said, hey, to avoid holding on to negativity or stress, assess what's worth your energy. And she said, there's the sixes method, which I thought was really interesting. She said, if this thing that is bending you out of shape, will it matter in six minutes, six hours, six days, six weeks or six months from now? If the answer is six months from now, this is going to be a problem, then you can then focus on it. But if it's not, then she says, I literally say to myself, let it go. Let it go. Right? And she said you can build resilience by stepping into discomfort daily. And it's a practice, just like happiness is a practice. She suggested small daily challenges for 90 days, like trying a new recipe or taking on a different route to work. Lesley Logan 21:39  Yeah, that's uncomfortable when you don't know if it's going to work or not, if it's going to make you late. I think these are.Brad Crowell 21:43  Yeah, it's simple and it's small. Lesley Logan 21:44  You want to know what your daily discomfort challenge is. You got to tag the Be It Pod. You got to send it to us. I want to know. Brad Crowell 21:50  Yeah, and what about you? Lesley Logan 21:51  She said, get to know you, which I think is very bold, because I think it requires us to, like, take some time to just get to know ourselves. Know how you can do that? Get uncomfortable. You'll start to learn a lot about yourself, and then you can see how you can calm yourself down, where you're feeling things. But another way you can do it is, she talked about, like, having a three minute meditation practice where you are literally sitting still quietly, and when you do just three minutes, you start to, like, learn a lot about yourself, because like, thoughts come in. Meditation is not about like, I have no thoughts. You're actually noticing the thoughts that you have, and that's going to help you get to know yourself. So I think that that is a really cool thing to do. If you're like, well, how do you like your eggs? Do you like a window seat or aisle seat? Know, the things you like? Because then you can advocate for yourself, and you can also have better experiences that are also uncomfortable, but just you can just enjoy yourself more. I just thought, what an interesting conversation, because when I said she was a, so she was a happiness strategist, I was like, okay, let's do this because, like, episode three was a happiness strategist, right? Or a happiness expert, but this was nothing like I expected. I learned so much about how to have a joy-filled life without it being like I have a joy-filled life. Here's my halo. Brad Crowell 22:59  Here's how joyful I am. Lesley Logan 23:00  Oh, why? Nothing bothers me. No, she lives a really awesome life. It's and, like. Brad Crowell 23:05  She challenges herself a lot. You know, she talked about being a musician, and she said you could put together a set list to go out and play, where you know the songs, and it's going to be a solid set list, she said, or you can put that song in there that's going to make you stretch for the high note, and then you can go out on stage and you can rock it. Lesley Logan 23:24  Yeah. And I just think often we think happiness means having no unhappiness. But after listening to her, it's actually just having a happy life is actually really just noticing what is going on in your life, and where do you feel it, and then also, how are you giving joy to others? So go tell someone they have a beautiful smile. Go get uncomfortable. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 23:52  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 23:54  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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 What if happiness wasn't something you had to chase but something you could create daily? In this transformative episode, happiness strategist Monique Rhodes shares how to train your mind to find joy regardless of external circumstances. She and Lesley Logan discuss the power of gratitude, overcoming toxic positivity, and breaking free from the mental habits that keep us stuck in stress and negativity. Monique also dives into her personal journey—from struggling with depression to mastering happiness—and how you can build emotional resilience and confidence in small, daily ways. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co.And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How Monique went from struggling with depression to becoming a happiness expert.The difference between true happiness and toxic positivity.Why gratitude can rewire your brain and shift your emotions instantly.The 90-second rule to process emotions without getting stuck.The power of daily courage challenges to break out of your comfort zone.How social connection and community are essential for mental well-being.Episode References/Links:Monique Rhodes Website - https://moniquerhodes.comMonique Rhodes Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/monique.rhodesMonique Rhodes Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/moniquerhodesofficialGuest Bio:Monique Rhodes is a happiness strategist whose programs on mental resilience, mindfulness, and well-being are featured in colleges and universities around the globe. She hosts the popular podcast In Your Right Mind, sharing insights on how to rewire mental habits for a more purposeful and fulfilling life. After overcoming significant adversity in her youth, Monique traveled extensively to master practical methods that reduce stress and deepen self-awareness. Today, she teaches thousands of individuals—from corporate teams to online communities—proven strategies for achieving lasting happiness, leading immersive retreats in Costa Rica, and infusing her global experiences and creativity into every aspect of her work. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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So I don't actually need anybody else to bump me up or keep me going or help me. Within myself I'm able to. Don't get me wrong, I've got amazing friends, and I love them, and there are times I need to discuss things, but day to day, I've got it all here because I'm my cheerleader.Lesley Logan 0:26  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:08  All right, babes, get ready. Just sit back and just really, just, this is something I want you just to, like, try not to be trying to do 17 things at once. For this one, I want you to enjoy every word out of our guest's mouth. I am obsessed with her already. I'm gonna figure out how I can stalk her and make her a friend of my life. She is a happiness strategist, and if you think you know what that is, I promise you that you don't. And if you think you know what she's gonna say, I promise you that you don't. This is a great conversation. You're gonna wanna listen to it multiple times. So here is Monique Rhodes. Lesley Logan 1:36  All right, Be It babe, this is going to be a fabulous conversation. I can tell you that, because I've spoken to this amazing guest before, and it was hard to keep it contained to 15 minutes. So I'm excited that we have a longer format for conversation today. Monique Rhodes, you know what, you had me at Happiness Strategist, so can you just tell everyone who you are and how you rock at that? Monique Rhodes 1:54  I love that. Lesley, I'm so happy to be here. Thank you for having our second date together. So basically, I specialize in teaching people how to master their happiness. And I've done this over the past, really, three decades, and it's all from personal experience. So everything that I teach is what I've done to turn my own life around. So I love it. I love helping people. One of my programs is in so many colleges and universities around the world. I work with a lot of corporations, and I teach thousands of people all over the world. So I love it, and I love being here to talk to you about exactly what you do so well, which is get people excited about their lives. Lesley Logan 1:59  Thank you so much. I mean, here's why I'm so attracted to this, because I think today's world, it's really hard to be happy in, as soon as you open up your phone, there are text messages from somebody who's trying to make sure you know that someone's having a crappy day somewhere. There's demands from all around us all of the time. And so sometimes I do wonder, is it even possible to be actually happy? If you are happy, do you feel guilty all the time because other people aren't happy? Like I have so many questions.Monique Rhodes 3:06  I love it. Look, it's a really interesting point. So your point is that everywhere we go, we've got all these things that are showing us, there's loads of reason to be miserable, and that's the way that the mind works. So the mind automatically latches onto the negativity. But I really believe that you can create a little bubble of influence. It's just your bubble. We hear about the circle of influence, but literally, live in your bubble of influence. You can't do anything about what is happening in the politics in the world. You can't do anything about the natural disasters that are happening around the world, but I tell you what you can do. You can walk down the street and you can see someone that you've never met and smile and say hi to them, or go to the cashier at the supermarket and say, wow, you look so beautiful today. Well, how's your day going? There are so many small ways that we can influence our lives that we don't even think about. We can sit every day and say to ourselves, what am I grateful for? I mean, I can sit here right in this moment and just say to myself, What am I grateful? I'm grateful that next to me there's a glass of water, because there are so many people in the world that don't even have access to fresh water. I'm so grateful that you and I get to meet here, and we get to have this conversation. Because of the advent of the Internet, we have the ability to meet this way. I'm so grateful that I woke up this morning and I'm not in a war zone, because so many people in the world are so when we start to think about it, when we start to look at it and see being alive is one of the most unbelievable miracles, and what we do is we get ourselves caught in this kind of they call it hedonic adaptation, where we actually miss it. We've got so much stuff that we have that brings us comfort and happiness that we don't even see it anymore. And so what our brain latches onto is the novelty. And the novelty is often the negative. Oh, that person's going through this or this is happening. Oh my God. Look at the news. Oh my God. So getting ourselves into a place where we see that the novelty is actually all around us all the time is a really powerful way to lift down happiness levels. Lesley Logan 5:24  Oh my gosh. Okay, so many little takeaways there. First of all, anytime someone reminds me about being grateful, I am reminded that judgment and gratitude can't live in the same space, and so it's just starting to be grateful. And I love that you brought up like I'm grateful for this water, like I'm grateful if I have windows right now, in this moment, it is raining, and I love sunshine, but I'm so grateful that it's raining, because I live in the desert and we haven't had rain in 225 days. You know, finding because it's so easy to go, oh no, it's raining. I can't take the dog like you can always find those. So I find that that gratitude just starts to uplift. But I do love how you talked about the bubble of influence, because I think you're correct. Like, we start to go, oh my gosh, all this bad stuff is happening, and I can't do anything. And how is this affecting me? And how you start to do that? But my mom is one of those people who, when we go out, she finds a way to compliment strangers, every stranger walking past them at a hotel. She's oh, my gosh, I love those pants on you. And I'm like, I was in the middle of a conversation. And she just does that and so naturally. But I think because so few people do that, how they can touch someone's life in a way that they feel so seen, and we don't know who they are and how that could affect the rest of the world if we each hit our bubble, I imagine that there's a domino effect, that it gets bigger and bigger together.Monique Rhodes 6:36  You know, when I was a kid, my best friend's mother was very, very beautiful. She was a model when she was younger, and whenever you walked in the door at her house, she would look at you, and she would say to you, darling, you look absolutely gorgeous. And I remember as a kid that didn't come from a very good background, I would just melt into that. And sometimes I would show up, literally, looking as though I just rolled out of bed, but I knew that deep inside of her, she saw me, or I believed that she saw me. It was such an incredible gift that she gave, and it's something that I really focus on is giving that gift back, because we know when someone says it, I ran into a woman the other day. I haven't seen for a year. I only met her briefly once, and she saw me and she said, You look fantastic. And I walked away and went, ah, look at that. I mean, how good does that feel? There was no payback in her for saying it. She just said it, and how beautiful it is when we're on the receiving end of it. So whatever it is that we want in our life, we have to give it. If we want more love in our life, we have to give it. If we want the joy and the beauty of life, we have to show each other what it is that's how we lift our happiness levels. Don't wait for everybody else to make the world better. You know, there's stuff going on. There will always be stuff going on in the world until the day we die. But it's not about what's happening. It's about how we're responding to it. And we can always see the light. We always can see the light. And Lesley, I'm not saying that we bypass stuff in the last few months. You know, two of my friends have died, and it's not like, oh, I go, whoa my friends have died, and I'm still really happy. I am still really well, and I grieve and I feel it, but I don't let it control me. I allow the grief or I allow the difficulties and the challenges to be there. But my resilience is really strong because I also, alongside it, allow myself, even when there are difficult things happening, to see the beauty of my life and the world at the same time.Lesley Logan 8:55  You know, I'm so glad you brought that up, and I want to get more into happiness with you. But what I fear people take away is that toxic positivity? I'm sure you've heard of it. I lived in LA for 15 years, and living four hours away and watching the city of my memories burn, you know? And there are people who are like, ready to go, but now they'll get to rebuild back better and all this stuff. It's like, yes, is it too? What is the difference between happiness and seeing what is possible and toxic positivity?Monique Rhodes 9:22  Well, I think there's something really interesting that it's absolutely vital that we understand, is that whatever emotions you suppress means that you're suppressing emotions across the spectrum. So if I'm someone who says, whoa, I'm just positive all the time, and I don't look at the negative stuff. You actually don't really feel good all the time. So it's really important for us to understand if we want to experience joy and happiness and wellness, we have to be comfortable with experiencing discomfort. I mean, that's it. Otherwise we're just bypassing the whole thing. So I'm a really big teacher of take all your emotions and experience them and feel them. You don't have to act out on them. If you feel angry, sit with the anger. But where is it in my body? So this is the key, Lesley, is that to not run with the story. If I'm angry, to sit and go, wow, this is really interesting. I'm going to look at my anger and to shut down that story that says because he did this, and da, da, da, da, to sit there and go, oh, this is anger in my body, and it's making my shoulders tight and it's making my stomach feel a little sick and it feels warm in my body, and I'm just going to sit and observe it that is allowing the emotion. I don't know if you've ever watched the very famous TED Talk by Jill Bolte Taylor called My Stroke of Insight. It's really phenomenal. So Jill Bolte Taylor was a neuroscientist, and she had a stroke, and she watched herself have the stroke. It's really extraordinary, really worth watching. But one of the things that she discovered was that an emotion has a 90-second shelf life. Any emotion has a 90-second shelf life. So this becomes really interesting, because what we can then understand is if I do feel anger, and I have anger come up and rise up, and there it is. If I'm able just to sit with it for 90 seconds and allow it and observe it and let the story go in 90 seconds, it's going to be over. What is the only thing that keeps it going is this. I'll give you an example. I'm driving to work, and some idiot in their Range Rover cuts me off, right? And all of a sudden I feel this rage because I've got a fright, and I'm like, oh my God, that idiot in his Range Rover. And then I'm driving along, and I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking about it. Then I get to work, and I walk in the door and I say, you'll never believe what happened. And all of that fear and anger is boiling up again in my body because my mind doesn't know the difference between the experience it's remembering and the experience it had. So those emotions are still exactly the same. And then my partner calls me, and I say to him, oh my God, you would not believe what happened, right? Instead, I could have the experience. Allow it to happen for 90 seconds. Feel the anger, feel the fear, calm myself down. Let it go. Let it go.Lesley Logan 12:38  Oh, what a different day you'd have. Your work day would start off in a different space. I'm loving this. I can see my husband and I just setting a timer for each other, like, oh, okay, here's 90 seconds are on the clock. I'll come back.Monique Rhodes 12:55  You're at 93 seconds. Shut it down. It's really interesting, because when you do this, Lesley, what you start to understand is that you go through your day so often feeding negativity, and you start telling stories. Oh, you wouldn't believe what happened to this person and all of that. So if we can actually learn to shut up and just be very mindful about our conversations and say, Well, I can have those conversations if they're constructively looking at how I can solve a challenge. But so much of our conversation is around this happened, and you wouldn't believe it, and that happened, and our brain is creating imagery inside itself and reliving these experiences. We literally create so much of our stress and anxiety for ourselves. It's not even happening out there. It's happening in here.Lesley Logan 13:53  And also the person who cut you off doesn't even remember doing it. They've moved on.Monique Rhodes 13:59  No, it's interesting. I have a really good strategy that I use, which is this, when something happens that I have a relatively strong emotional reaction to, I ask myself the question of sixes. I can't remember where I first heard this. It might have been Brené Brown that first spoke about it, but I say to myself, will this matter in six minutes, in six hours, in six days, in six weeks, in six months? If it's six months or more, I say to myself, I need to pay attention. If it's less than six months, I literally say to myself, let it go, if there's nothing that I can practically do to work with it, if it's nothing that needs to be solved, or maybe I've done something that was wrong and I need to look at that, that's fine. Then I go away, I take responsibility, whatever it is, and I do the work on myself and otherwise it is a let it go. Do not waste your energy on it.Lesley Logan 15:05  Mind blown. And I love this so much because so as a recovering perfectionist, I'm someone who like, some days when I make a mistake, I can let it go, and some days I almost keep playing it in my head over and over because I'm upset at myself for the mistake that I made, or not seeing that that could have happened or been taken a certain way. And so I replay it, and I replay and then I get angry about their responses, and I get angry that I'm angry, and I do the whole thing, but I can imagine if I had just run through like, is it gonna matter in six minutes? Matter in six days, six weeks, six months? I bet I probably would've get to most of it not mattering at six months, I bet you it wouldn't, and so then I would probably not have to suffer. I could probably enjoy the yoga class I was taking while I was running through all that in my head.Monique Rhodes 15:52  But I might even have an added bonus for you, Lesley, is that your perfectionism served a purpose. You learned when you were a child that if you were perfect, you received love for it. And so that is where this behavior comes from. I keep doing this because I learned as a child that if I was perfect, I had to be perfect to be loved. I call it the Love Contract. And so one of the most powerful things you can do in those moments is not only say, does this matter? No, it doesn't. I'm enough as I am, and to love yourself in that moment, in your imperfection, and to know that your being perfect is not a direct line to being loved. Does that makes sense? Lesley Logan 16:42  It makes so much sense. And I feel like every listener who is a perfectionist recovering, we attract a lot of them here is like, kind of mind blown, because I do think that their perfectionism is what's keeping them from being happy. I'm sure you have plenty to say on that. And I think that in their desire to not be a perfectionist, I don't think that they're approaching it, because I know I'm not with just saying I am, I'm worthy of love like I'm enough right now, I don't think that's how we're approaching it. I think people who are trying not to be perfect are judging how much they let their perfectionism get them for the day. So I feel that that is such a good takeaway to, one, appreciate what you did as a child, because it was a survival thing to feel loved. And we all need to feel loved, to grow and get to where we are, and then to not judge ourselves for that, but instead welcome and have gratitude for who we are today and that we are enough in the moment that we are. I think what a great action step people can take that changes the emotions in their body. Monique Rhodes 17:37  Yeah, and to know that everyone does it. So every single one of us has learned one powerful strategy to get loved, and it could be I'm going to really excel at school, or I'm going to take care of people. You know, there's so many ways that this particular thing plays out, so that every single one of us, not just perfectionists, all of us, have something that we learn as a child will elicit love for us, and it's a really powerful thing. And then to look at that and go, does this still work? Actually, being a perfectionist is causing me all sorts of problems. I want to do really well in my life, but I've got to understand it's not that I need to be perfect, it's that I need to be loved, and we all need to be loved. So then we've got to go to the root of the tree and see how can I be loved without relying on being perfect to get it? Lesley Logan 18:31  Oh, everyone, write that in your journal. That's the next thing. Okay, I feel like I got so excited about all the things you have to say. I'm just like, obsessed with how much you know on this. But how did you get here? Like, how did you get to be, you know, the expert in this area, what was the journey? Monique Rhodes 18:46  Yeah, well, one of the beautiful and painful things about this journey of it was mine, Lesley. So I grew up, I was adopted at 10 days old, and I grew up in a very, very difficult situation in my family life. There were lots of really, really bad things that happened. And when I was 19, I ended up in a hospital having tried to take my own life. And I remember sitting there and saying to myself, this is going to go one way or the other. Either I have to give up or I have to do everything to heal myself. But I didn't really know what healing myself meant, because I saw, it appeared that everybody else was really happy, and I seemed to be the one who was broken and struggling. So I made a deal with myself that I was going to do everything that I could to try and heal this and myself. So went on a mission, and a little bit like an Olympian would, I did everything I did every therapy under the sun. I tried every technique. I traveled all over the world, really looking and seeing myself, but trying all sorts of methodologies to see what I could find. And probably the most powerful thing that I learned that encompassed a lot of what I teach is that happiness is not outside of me. Of course, there's lots of wonderful things. You know, I'm sitting here looking out at the ocean. I live here in Costa Rica in the jungle, and it's awesome. But actually, what is happening in my mind is the dictator of whether I'm happy or whether I'm suffering. And that was such a light bulb moment for me. And so then the focus came on, okay, so if it is about my mind, then what can I do to train and tame and optimize my mind so that I can live a really happy life? And the end result is that sometimes I think I'm annoyingly happy, you know, and it's like, I can't actually believe that this kind of happiness that I experience is possible, but it is, and now I have the incredible honor of teaching other people how to do exactly the same thing. Because for me, there was no path. There was no one saying, you do this, this and this. And so for me now I'm able to create that path for other people so that they can change their lives as well. And that makes me even happier, you know, because that's one of the things about happiness, is when you're in service to others, you know, taking care of other people to some degree, not at the expense of yourself, but to some degree, is one of the things that adds to your happiness. So I don't know, I just have this really amazing, amazing life.Lesley Logan 21:24  Wow. I think so many people could look back at part of your story and then feel sorry, but also how much of that took for you to be where you are and to share that with all of us. You know what I mean? If you didn't have that hard of a life and you didn't have that experience, would you have had the drive to figure that out, you know?Monique Rhodes 21:42  And I would just be teaching a theory, I would just be saying, well, you can do this, whereas I can tell you with 100% certainty, because I've seen it with so many of my students, that what I did with myself is something that can be replicated. And so when you go from being in a hospital at 19 in absolute despair, to waking up every day excited about the day, feeling like, oh my God. Does it get better than this? I know that those two states are possible by working with my mind. That's it. Lesley Logan 22:18  I'm really obsessed with this because I find, like most of my day, I do things that make me feel good, the way I wake up in the morning. I'm really, I'm so intentional about my morning routines, I might drive people crazy when I travel, because I'm like, no, you can't walk with me. I have to go for my walk. I need the sunshine. I need to do these things. But I know that, like, those things that I do are actually helping me get into my mind, find the happiness, get present. I have ADHD, and also an Aquarian, so I'm just like, air sign in my head. So I like, need all this, and so I'm obsessed with the different things that you've talked about, because there's so many of these things we can do that are free. And out of all the people that I've interviewed, at some point, you're like, paying for something. And obviously you probably have amazing tools we could all buy, but also giving a compliment to someone doesn't cost you anything.Monique Rhodes 23:04  And also, that means that happiness is available to everybody. It's not something that is only available to people with loads of money, but the media teaches us that it is because it's always trying to get us to buy something. So the truth is, is that there is no difference between me and a beggar in the slums of India, where I've spent a lot of time. There's no difference. You know, I remember the first time I really started to realize that the story wasn't as simple as I thought was the first time that I went to Thailand. It was my first time in a third world country, and I remember going through these canals in Bangkok, and I remember seeing a guy, and he had four bamboo posts and a tarpaulin over the top. And I remember him sitting there with this big smile on his face, and he had a little bag of belongings beside him. I remember thinking, I think that's the happiest guy I've ever seen in my life. And I didn't get it. I was young, you know? I didn't get it because everything I'd been led to believe was money, success, fame, power, that's where happiness lay. But what we actually see is that so many of the people that have fame, success, money and power, are freaking miserable. They're some of the most miserable people. And yet, I've spent a lot of time in India. So I traveled through India for four years on a motorcycle as part of my journey by myself.Lesley Logan 24:30  That is so cool. Monique Rhodes 24:31  Right? And one of the things that I found was that, my God, the Indian people, some of the poorest people, so generous, so loving, so kind, would literally give you the shirt off their back, so much happier than the people in the West. I remember when I went to India, and the first time I came back and someone said to me, I don't think I could go to India. And I was like, why is that? And they said, because I couldn't handle the poverty. I said, you know, what I realized from living in India for so long is that the mental poverty of the West is way more painful than the physical poverty of places like India. We live with so much comfort, particularly in the United States, completely comfort-obsessed and the levels of stress, anxiety and depression are through the roof.Lesley Logan 25:24  Yeah. I mean, we go to Cambodia, we have a helm there, and I am always amazed by the smile on the faces of people who sleep on the floor, and the generosity, because they so want to show you their life, and the generosity of them feeding you with the food that they really can't afford to have, but also it would take away from their joy and their happiness to not do that. So it's very interesting thing, and it makes you go, I'm judging them, but they're actually happy. They're actually happy. And I'm the one who's so concerned and so worried about all these different things, and that's from the Western mentality of growing up. And I'm a Pilates instructor as well. And the amount of people that cannot handle discomfort in their body, they're like, oh, that really hurts my ankles. And I'm like, pain, like, we're gonna break them, or just uncomfortable. And it's most of the time it is just uncomfortable. And I'm like, so this is a workout, and we have to be uncomfortable to change the body, otherwise, you stay the way you were and you came here for something different. So, you know, I think it's really interesting how many of us cannot handle discomfort in so many different ways, not just in the way we travel, but the way we move our body, the way we want our day to go. We don't like when anything gets out of the way, because then it's going to affect things. But also, even if everything went perfectly. They're not happy anyways.Monique Rhodes 26:41  Think about the culture of the United States as an example. Right? Whenever I go to the States now I think about it. You have very comfortable cars. You have very comfortable wide roads. You have the comfort of going to all these shopping malls everywhere. You have the comfort of being able to order anything up to your house if you can't even be bothered walking out the door. You know the thing is, is that when you live in a third world country, like I live in Costa Rica, which is like a poorer country, and it's so beautiful, the other day, I was down at the beach and I got a flat tire, and I needed to go home and get something to change the tire. Because I do want you to know that I can change my own tire, even though I've got a big truck, because I live somewhere where you need four wheel drive. Anyway, I needed to go home, and I didn't have my phone with me because I was at the beach, and there was just this guy at the beach, and he had a little stand, and he just packed his stand up, got me in the car and drove me home. And I was like, I loved it. I loved it. Like it really put him out, and it was for no reason but the kindness. And what happens is that when we live in a world that doesn't have all of the comforts, people rely on each other more. When you get into a first world country, people are relying on each other less. They wake up in the morning in their little bubble, and then they get into their little bubble, and they drive to their little bubble, and they do their work in their little bubble, and then they go home and they watch TV for the rest of the day, you know? And it's like, actually, what we need is connection. We need community. We need belonging. We need to be with each other and interact with each other and get off our phones and actually see people, because that is what brings the nervous system down. That's what makes us well. So we kind of look at the West as this ideological state of, wow, look at all the stuff we've got, but all of it actually is taking away so much from the things that actually make us happy. Lesley Logan 28:41  It is, oh my gosh, it really is. As we're recording this, in two days, I get to go to Cambodia, and I'm so excited because I just needed to be too hot, too humid, and I need, I need to be freaked out a little bit about making a left hand turn into oncoming traffic, like I need. There's something about getting out of all the comfort that we have here to remind ourselves, what do I truly need anyways? And what I love about it is because there is so much less distraction. It's every sunrise and every sunset is beautiful. Every rooster that wakes you up is the coolest thing. The wedding that goes until three in the morning, you're like, who's getting married right now? Because you don't have these other distractions. There's something you can see the beauty in all of these things. And so I do think it's a challenge, though, because so many people are afraid of letting go of their comfort. I guess I'm wondering, do you have like, baby steps for getting uncomfortable?Monique Rhodes 29:36  I want to point out that the Pilates lady is more than likely uncomfortable in lots of ways. So she will avoid discomfort all over the place. She will not tell her husband that she's unhappy in her marriage. She will let her kid rule her rather than tell her kid off. There'll be a series of things that she does. It's really important we can handle discomfort. So one of the first things that I'm going to encourage people to do is to travel. Traveling is incredible, and I have traveled all over the world. And I'm going to say this just I'm going to tell you this truth for fun, I've slept in the slums in India, and I have spent weeks in a castle in Switzerland, and the truth is, is that it's all the same at the end of the day. There's nothing about the castle in Switzerland that was any better than the slums in India. So get yourself into places where you go somewhere like maybe go to Mexico or something. Don't stay at a fancy resort, stay at a little guest house. That's what I did through India for four years. I just stayed at little guest house like I literally lived on about $500 a month. That's what I lived on. Ate simply, lived simply because. Why? Because it made me strong. Made me stronger. If I can handle physical discomfort, I can handle emotional discomfort. So that's the first thing is to start to look and see maybe I can travel differently, or maybe I can think about, what are all the things that I have in my house that create comfort? What if tonight I sit on the floor, or what if tonight I give up something? You know, that's a really powerful thing, is to say to yourself, What could I give up for a week? Maybe I'm going to give up the dishwasher for a week, which, to me, is funny, because I don't have a dishwasher here. Maybe I could give up TV for a week. Maybe I could give up driving for a week. I don't know, choose something that's manageable, and give it up for a week, and then you start to appreciate it, because all of a sudden you don't have it. And that's a really powerful way so that when it comes back, you all of a sudden, are like, wow, I have this whole new appreciation for this thing, and to really make that correlation between discomfort and the ability to handle it equals strength. So you might even have a little journal for yourself where you say, every single day, I'm going to do something that makes me uncomfortable. I'm going to make that phone call that I don't want to make. I'm going to compliment someone in the street. Whatever it is, it's a muscle. It's literally, the muscle is courage and if you can build that muscle of courage, then you can handle any discomfort. You can literally put me anywhere with anybody, and I can handle it. And I know it from so many years of traveling solo around the world, but that wasn't just oh, it's just because it's who I am. It's because I've built the muscle of courage, and I consistently look for ways that I can flex it. If there's something that I'm afraid of, then I'll go, oh, here we go. Okay, I live in a country that has a lot of spiders, and I don't like spiders. I can actually handle a tarantula in my kitchen these days. I mean, how amazing is that? I don't even know how to, I don't know how to do that because it's just courage to tell a different story. It's all it is. That's it, Lesley, it's just a story. What story do I tell? Do I say to myself, I'm going to break my ankles in the Pilates class or do I say to myself, I'm strengthening them? Do I see someone in the street and think to myself, I'm too scared to tell them how beautiful they are? Or do I think to myself, this isn't about me. This person is going to feel amazing when they hear this. So, so much is the stories that we tell ourselves. You get to choose the story you tell yourself, but always flex that muscle of courage like your life depends on it, because it may.Lesley Logan 33:54  I mean, I feel like courage is to be happy, and this life is courageous because it goes against the grain of what everyone is telling us, we should be we should be suffering, we should want for more, we, we don't have enough. And what I'm hearing you say, because I was really excited about this conversation, because I do wonder, like, can you truly be happy? And is happiness like being in the clouds? Like, do you know what I mean? Like, you have to ignore everything just to be happy. And what I'm loving from you is it's actually being in it all. In fact, go being the thing that makes you scared or makes you nervous or feels uncomfortable, and what can you become grateful for? Because that's where you're going to become happy. Monique Rhodes 34:35  And also, think about it, Lesley, whenever you do something that you were afraid of and you managed to do it. There are very few better feelings in the whole world than that. So what the other side of fear there is often a feeling of incredible, sometimes exhilaration, but deep joy and happiness in yourself, because you start to see what am I capable of, and we're always so much more capable than we ever give ourselves credit for, or that anybody ever told us we were. Whenever I'm with my friends' kids, because I don't have kids myself, my sole goal is to show them that they are way more beautiful, wonderful, intelligent and capable, then they may see themselves at the moment. My only job is their honorary auntie. That's it. Is to show them possibility. Who's going to show you possibility? Well, you can show yourself possibility. Well, okay, so how do I do that? Well, every day, because this is the key is that happiness is a habit, so you've got to do habitual stuff. So every day you sit down, you set yourself a little challenge. You say to yourself, Okay, for 90 days, I'm going to sit down every morning, and I'm going to challenge myself to one, one thing. For 90 days. I'm going to do a courage challenge for 90 days. Discomfort courage challenge, or I might call it a possibility challenge. Okay, well, I'd like to learn how to change a tire. I'm like, oh, I'm going to do it. Go onto YouTube. So easy, right? If you don't know how to do it I'll make you a video, because I love changing tires because that's what you learn as a young New Zealander growing up, your dad always teaches you, so you never get yourself in trouble how to change the tire, right, or it might be, oh, there's something on my computer that I don't know how to do. You know that I'm struggling with. Okay. So learn it. Learn it. Move yourself out of this discomfort. So I'm often giving my students 90 day challenges. That's what I love doing. Give them a challenge for 90 days and say, let's work at this. I'm working with one of my students now who literally is working with discomfort so she can build that muscle. She's a friggin CEO of a company, big company, but she shies away from a lot of that discomfort and kind of manages things. So now it's who am I if I step into it, does it matter if I can't do it? Because that's the fear, because she's super capable. What if I can't do it? If I can't do it, I bypass it, I shy away. So now we're stepping her into 90 days of things that she can't do, and she is just loving it, because there's a whole other element of herself that's coming out and is so powerful. Imagine for 90 days doing every day, doing one little thing, one little thing. Tonight, I'm going to make a new recipe for dinner, or today I'm going to go to a different Pilates class, or I'm going to go a different way to work just those little things that take you out of your habitual comfort ways all of a sudden, without even realizing it, your confidence starts to grow because you're moving yourself in directions that you didn't actually realize. You didn't realize you were caught in a little box. Lesley Logan 37:59  Yeah, it's a muscle we all need. It's often what's keeping people like, we call this, be it till you see it. It's the confidence. And I'm like, well, how are you gonna get confidence unless you do the thing you know, like you're born with confidence. I don't think so. I think you could have parents or people around you who remind you that you're doing things that are hard and amazing, that you're confident. But I find that the things that I do that are not things I was trying to do. I do them scared, and I know a few things about myself. I don't quit. I will figure out an answer, and if I don't like it at the other side of it, then I don't have to keep doing it. But right? But like, I'm gonna give it a go. I'm gonna give it the best shot. And then you get a confidence in the area, and it covers you into other areas you feel like you're not going to be confident, because you have evidence that you can do things that are hard, you can do things that are scary, you can do things that are uncomfortable. And that's part of the happiness. You know? Monique Rhodes 38:49  But there's a payoff to it. It's really interesting because before I started teaching this, I was a singer, and I toured all over the world. When you go out on stage, and I've been on stage where the, you know, there's been 10,000 people and just me and my guitar. You go out on the stage and you've got two choices, and it's a hard choice. One, I can do a really good, solid set. I can do a good, solid set where I know all the notes that I'm going to sing and it's going to be safe, and that's what life is like. You can go through your life and you can say, I'm going to do a really solid set with my life. It's not going to be amazing, it's going to be good, but I might feel a bit meh, it's going to be good. Or you can go out on that stage and you can say to yourself, I'm going to go for it. I am going to go for the phenomenal, for the extraordinary, which is what I chose. I said to myself, when I got out of that hospital, I said, I want an extraordinary life. That's what I wanted, and that is what I've had, and that is what I live and I have to be comfortable with falling flat on my face. I have to be and the truth is, is that the weird thing is, is that I so rarely do. That's the weird thing, is that it's the times that I fall down are so much less than I ever would have I would have thought it'd be 50-50, it's not. It's probably about 1% of the time that I've flat on my face. And I'm really comfortable with it. I'm really good with it. Because the payoff is, is that I'm hitting the high notes. I am hitting the high notes, and I'm having this life that is awesome and fascinating and interesting, and I thrive in it. And so we've got to understand that it's a choice. So we've got to get comfortable with discomfort so that we can go for the high notes. If we're not comfortable with discomfort, we're always going to shy away and go for the comfort.Lesley Logan 40:40  Oh yeah, Monique, I could talk to you for hours, but I've learned so much. I'm reminded of things that I've always wanted to do, or I used to do, and I feel like this is just such a solid, I feel like everyone's getting something from this. We're gonna take a brief break and find out where people can find you, follow you, work with you. Lesley Logan 40:56  All right, Monique Rhodes, where do you hang out? And we know you're in Costa Rica, but can people connect with you online? Can they work with you? Where's all the good stuff?Monique Rhodes 41:03  Yeah, absolutely. You can come to Costa Rica. I do retreats down here because I live the dream life Lesley, one of the most amazing retreat centers in the world, is five minutes from where I live. It's called Blue Spirit down here in Nosara in Costa Rica. So I host retreats here every year. But also the easiest way to come and find me is I have a website called I Intend To Be Happy, and that's the place that you can come and find me and start working with me. And I just love nothing more than helping people shift their happiness and really understand it. Listen, Lesley, if I can do it, anyone can, I'm no genius, I'm no superstar. I'm just a 19-year-old kid that wanted to change her life and managed to do it.Lesley Logan 41:47  Oh yeah, everyone, please go and you know, let me know how it goes. I'm also going to look at your retreats, because I've been itching to get to Costa Rica, and I feel like this is a sign. Okay, you've given us so much already, and so feel free to remind us what you've already told us, or any bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What you have for us?Monique Rhodes 42:06  I just think that it's really important to get to know you, to know that we live in a world that will consistently distract you from getting to know you. And one of the most powerful gifts that you can give yourself is to say, listen, there's a lot of noise out there. Let me, and you might have to do it gently, slowly but surely. Let me take time where I'm not running away from me. And I think that's one of the most powerful things, because the more you get to know you, and I know sometimes we think, by get to know me, I'll be afraid of me, but you won't be and to really just every day, take a little bit, take three minutes and just sit quietly or learn a meditation practice, just to get to know you. If you do that, it will change your life. I know myself so well. I have gone from being my own worst enemy, almost critic to being my own biggest cheerleader. So I don't actually need anybody else to bump me up or keep me going or help me like within myself, I'm able to, don't get me wrong, I've got amazing friends, and I love them, and there are times I need to discuss things, but day to day, I've got it all here because I'm my cheerleader. I'm the one that knows me best, and I'm the one that can help me along the path. And I think it's a really, really important thing for each of us to understand. Don't fall into all the distractions of the world. They're literally taking over your mind. Take your mind back. Take your power back. That's where it lies, right, right here.Lesley Logan 43:43  Obsessed with you. Love you already, and you don't even need my compliment, because you are already happy without that. Everything about this is fabulous. You guys. How are going to use these tips in your life? I want to know. Monique wants to know. Please share this with a friend who needs to hear it. Honestly, especially those friends you care about, who you sometimes feel like you're avoiding because they are a downer on your day. They probably need to hear this the most, and then you all can have a bubble of influence. I'm just, yes, thank you, Monique, for this and everyone, until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 44:14  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod. Brad Crowell 44:56  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 45:01  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 45:06  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 45:13  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 45:16  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Lesley Logan shares how setting boundaries and streamlining her time allows her to focus on what truly matters. After a year of planning, she's finally implementing a major shift in her workflow—proving that progress happens on your own timeline. She also highlights a listener's journey of refining systems that fit their unique needs and the power of small shifts that lead to big wins. Tune in for a reminder that celebrating each step forward fuels the path to balance and success.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:48  Hi, Be It babe. How are you? How's it going? Today is your Fuck Yeah Friday. It's the last one of March. Forgive me, on the start of March, I should have been like we're celebrating women, and I really did without even knowing that, because, you know, it's a women's month when it gets close, right? But like, I'm recording in January. And then we started this month celebrating a woman who people were tearing down based on her personal choices, and she had so many accolades. And then we honored two other amazing women. One was just a really great reminder to us all about courage and confidence, and the other was a beautiful child who is autistic, who wanted to have a celebration for her uniqueness. And today, I think is a great FYF to have with who's going to inspire us. Lesley Logan 1:31  This lady's, this is amazing. I almost like want a poster of this in my office, not even a lie. From Jane Goodall, and she said, "It actually doesn't take much to be considered a difficult woman. That's why there are so many of us." Right? Right? So I just thought that that was just a wonderful little thing that we could all just giggle about, because don't we like change how we do things, or change the pleasantries on things, just that we aren't considered difficult, right? We do this all the time. So anyways, thank you, Jane, thank you for that. Thank you for reminding us that it doesn't take much to be considered difficult, because that's why there's so many of us, right? So anyways, if that resonates with you, just remember, you're not difficult. You actually have very amazing, I think the opposite, the, if a male will be difficult, he'd be someone who knows what he wants, right? So I just think that you're not difficult, that you're someone who is clear on your boundaries and know what you want. That's amazing. So, thank you, thank you for that, Jane. Lesley Logan 2:27  Okay, your wins. This is where we're going. Your wins. So I'm going to read from Kelly Nyhan, and this is from the fall, and we got a lot of wins in here, so here we go. First win. I got through all of my emails. I love reading all the newsletters from LL, truly, and one, had my win listed, which is about updating my logo, and I'm feeling so proud. Yeah, that's why you send them in. We celebrate you, and then you get to see them, right? Number two, I'm a bit on the ADHD side, and I have such troubles getting focused and making a plan of where to put everything, notes, ideas, tasks. Anyways, I ordered a planner that I think could help me, and I'm 99% committed to reviewing it each morning and evening. I like digital first sessions and appointments, but I need a place to handwrite everything else. I also took time to visualize how and what. It's really the most debilitating thing for me. It was never a problem, and now after menopause, it's literally ridiculous. Three, finally woke up at my desired time of 5:30 am and did a brain dump of anything and everything. I got to get on paper somewhere and out of my head. I feel a little embarrassed to admit all of this, but happy that it's all in a safe place. I also evaluated my night rituals. Thanks, LL's newsletter, geez, these really helped me think about things. Thanks. And so true, I love getting up early, cheat the day, but for some time now hitting snooze. I think it's because I didn't have a morning routine that I was excited about and felt like it's too many tasks burning me. Well, now I have a handle on them, and today I got up with enthusiasm. Number four, I got a new person in my Mindful Mover Zoom class. It's very much an invite only. Basically, it's referral. So this is so great. And one of my students is coming with a friend for duet, starting November, weekly. And I'm thinking that in the spring, just because it's too cold for snow for the 70 plus age group to drive here, but in the spring, a small group of Pilates group circuit, where they really know the names the exercises thanks to eLevate. Last but not least, sent all of my remaining payment reminders for 2024. Yes, I'm getting a better system to send them before the second to the last and recruit day and requiring payment on a specific day, I take checks and sell only, so I still have to do it manually. It's fine for me for now. Kelly, there's so many great wins in here, and I just want to highlight a couple of them. You do not have to go I've been on the ADHD side. Having ADHD is a superpower. Knowing how you move and operate is actually superpower, right? So it's not the ADHD that's the superpower. It's like knowing how you learn, how you operate, how you do things. That's the superpower. So celebrate that. And also, I love that you're not being perfectionist about checking the thing 99% a way to go, way to be honest with yourself. I love that. I also love that you figured out how to wake up at your desired time. I think we overwhelm ourselves with all the things we have to do, and so then we just go, I don't want to do any of it. Well, you actually have to figure out a way positively to welcome in those things that you want to do. That's how habits are truly made. So congratulations. And I also am grateful that you know that there's little tidbits that you get from the newsletters, that's why you read them, because they help you, right? And what you don't need to do and what you are getting so much better, it's like overwhelming so with all of the things, so way to celebrate that, and I also just want to celebrate like, way to figure out a system for taking your payments and also owning that like, manual that works for you right now. If that's what works, that's what works, right? Just because there are technologies and systems and if this, then that things that are out there, it doesn't mean that it's easier for you to use them. For example, I love to write, so yes, there's chatGPT. There's even a bot on profitablepilates.com there is a bot that's trained of 10 million of my words from podcasts, from courses, coaching calls, seven years of coaching calls and Slack, 10 million of my words. I certainly could say to my own bot, write me a post about this, and I don't, because even though that would be, in quotes, easier, it takes away the joy that I get from doing it. And there's certain things, even doing something like sending payment reminders, there's something in that that's bringing you joy, and that's why you do it a different way, and that's okay. So thank you for letting us all learn from you and be on your journey with you. It's really beautiful. Lesley Logan 6:17  My win. Last April, I heard about a way that my assistant could take over my inbox. I think it was April or May. And I even have the book, and I have all the things, and I just hadn't taken the time to figure it out. We had so much other things going on, and while it would have saved me time to do that, it would have taken more time to do it. So I was just like, no, I'm going to read this book at the end of the year, beginning of the new year, and I will implement it in Q1. So, I can proudly say that here we are the end of Q1 and my assistant and I are implementing this where I am not in my inbox everyday, I actually get to go in there and just read the things that she needs me to respond to and it's not because I don't want to hear from you. First of all, none of you email me. You all DM me, or if you're a member, we talk in our community places. So it's not about putting a barrier up to other people. The reality is, is that an inbox it's like I'm giving away my feelings of the day and how my day will go to random people who are asking for different things that have nothing to do with each other, all at the same time. There's so many different things in an inbox that can take over the day, right? Whereas, if I have my assistant go through my inbox each day and either respond, delete, or put in a folder for me to respond to, it can be more on my timeline, a.k.a boundaries. So while, by the time this is placed, it's been more than a year that I've thought about doing this, that's not the point. The point is, and the win is that I gave myself a deadline, gave myself a timeline to do it, and got my team on board to do it, and now it's being implemented, and it will take some time. You know, it takes some time to build a new system. I'm not really good with details, so we'll see how this goes. But I really am excited to have more time to be creative and to be in my communities that I've built, because that's where I want to play. I want to play in my communities. I don't want to read an email from a random person who bought my email off a list, who's trying to sell me on why someone should be against my podcast. I want things filtered so I can look at those at the time that I want to look at those, so I can spend the time for the people that I do this for, which is you. So anyways, that is my win, implementing something I wanted to do around the time that I wanted to do it. Boom. We did it. Lesley Logan 8:38  All right. Here we go. Let's see, what are we taking away? What are we taking into this weekend? What's our poem, mantra, affirmation, thing to think about? My well-being hinges on being able to hold what hurts, love what's being neglected, and enthusiastically work with what I've got. Well, that's pretty cool. My well-being hinges on being able to hold what hurts, so not hold on, hold what hurts, love what's being neglected and enthusiastically work with what I've got. Here's to not waiting for everything to be perfect and working with what we got. You are amazing. I adore you. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 9:19  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. 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Are your eating habits supporting the life you want to live? Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell break down key takeaways from Lisa Salisbury's interview, focusing on mindful eating, food habits, and breaking free from unconscious patterns. Learn how to assess your hunger, build a better relationship with food, and take control without guilt or restriction.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:The emotional connection to food and why it matters.How childhood conditioning impacts your eating habits.How to break free from the Clean Your Plate Club mindset.The importance of avoiding extreme hunger or fullness.A simple two-bite challenge to help you check in with your hunger.Episode References/Links:eLevate Retreat - https://lesleylogan.co/elevateMullet Tour - https://opc.me/ukSpring Pilates Training - https://opc.me/eventsPilates Studio Growth Accelerator - https://prfit.biz/acceleratorCambodia October 2025 Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comLadder Barrel Exercises - https://beitpod.com/barrelexercisesLisa Salisbury Website - https://wellwithlisa.comInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/well_with_lisaFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/wellwithlisaIf you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS!Check out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSoxBe in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey Be a part of Lesley's Pilates MentorshipFREE Ditching Busy Webinar Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable Pilates Follow Us on Social Media:InstagramThe Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channelFacebookLinkedInThe OPC YouTube Channel Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  Are you actually connecting to the food that you're eating, and do you know why you eat the way that you eat? I think these are really interesting questions to ask yourself, because if it is getting in the way from you having the life you want to live, or it's becoming a crutch of some kind, it's worth evaluating. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to discuss the liberating convo I had with Lisa Salisbury in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, you should listen to it at some point, because it's so good. Before, during after, go back and forth between the two. You do you, you. There's like different ways of doing everything. And this is episode 503. Brad Crowell 1:19  503 Lesley Logan 1:20  And we just said a big thank you before we hit record with you guys, to our amazing production team, because we've had the same producers this whole time. There's podcasts I listen to of people that I really admire, and every other year they're with another company. And I'm like, you know what? Why are you with so many different companies? What? Brad Crowell 1:38  That's weird. Lesley Logan 1:38  Now, if it's because I read that you scored $170 million you do you, no jealousy, no judgment, no curious. I see it, not announcing, if they're not paying you to be there, why are you switching? What's going on? Anyways, just go out of your minds. Today is March 27th 2025 and it is Scribble Day. Yep, Scribble Day is observed on March 27th annually, and it's all about celebrating the creativity and the art associated with scribbling, which anyone can do, regardless of their artistic abilities. So the last time you scribbled aimlessly to relieve boredom, you might have probably not known that there's actually a day to celebrate the stress releasing act of scribbling.Brad Crowell 2:18  Yes, our production team is gonna go, Brad, why did you adjust Lesley's microphone while she was talking? So that was me, my fault, and I don't think they're gonna be able to edit it out. Lesley Logan 2:27  No. And guess what? Brad Crowell 2:28  100% they won't. Lesley Logan 2:29  I just didn't want it, I didn't want to stop. I was I hadn't made a mistake, I hadn't made a mistake on any of the sentences. And I wanted to keep going. Brad Crowell 2:36  Well, you nailed it. You slayed that. Lesley Logan 2:37  Also, I really appreciate that they mentioned that, like, it's regardless of your artistic abilities, because, I often am disappointed in my, here's the thing, this is the recovering perfectionist in me who is letting it go that you put your hand in front of the camera to pick the mic. I don't think my scribbling is good. Brad Crowell 2:55  But it's a scribble, it's not supposed to be good. Lesley Logan 2:57  I know, but I want it to look pretty. There's people who are like. Brad Crowell 3:00  Is scribbling pretty? Lesley Logan 3:02  No, but people can draw like, really pretty hearts and stuff. My hearts are like, my star, I look, I just look like a seven year old still scribbles. Brad Crowell 3:10  Fortunately, there's a day for that. Lesley Logan 3:11  There's a day for it, and actually it, there's no, because it's just, it's relieving boredom, and I think it's great. So anyways, also, if you are bored in today's day and age, we want to hear you on the be it pod, because we need all your tips.Brad Crowell 3:26  No, I think it just means that they don't have a smartphone.Lesley Logan 3:30  Yeah, they don't have their friends, literally. Brad Crowell 3:33  They don't have the easiest-to-distract-yourself device in the history of our world. Lesley Logan 3:38  I know. You know what, on a podcast I listen to, they talk about, apparently, your phone can tell you how many times you pick up your phone. This one guy, he picked it up 273 times in a day. 273 times in a day. How many minutes are in a day?Brad Crowell 3:50  All right, so we're gonna figure this out literally right now. So we're gonna go right now. Okay, go to Settings. Go to screen time. So just search for screen time. If you all want to join us on this, if you have an iPhone, go to your settings and go to screen time you're gonna look at.Lesley Logan 4:05  Today, I've only had 67 pickups. Oh, I went. Brad Crowell 4:08  See all app and website activity? Okay. And then go to day.Lesley Logan 4:16  Yeah, pickups, yesterday, I only did 109.Brad Crowell 4:19  Oh, mine is 109 also. What the? Mine's today, though.Lesley Logan 4:24  Okay, but mine today, I've only had 67.Brad Crowell 4:26  Oh yeah, yesterday I did 136.Lesley Logan 4:28  Okay, so here's the deal. I think that's a lot. I don't know, but if there's 24 hours in a day, not that we only pick it up once in an hour, but kind of like, maybe we should try to get it under 100. Let's try. Next time we get to a topic that has to do with boredom, we'll let you know. We'll update you. Anyways.Brad Crowell 4:45  My screen time yesterday was almost 10 hours. Lesley Logan 4:49  Yeah, but we can't judge we were on a plane, you guys, playing video games for 15 hours. So I don't think that. Brad Crowell 4:54  That is true. Lesley Logan 4:55  But okay, anyways, just going back to the boredom thing. So figure it out, because I actually heard one host was like, I have 88 and he was surprised by 88 and to me, like 60, because we work on our phones, I don't think it should actually be nothing. Brad Crowell 5:08  It's a little hard when I'm like, on an hour long zoom call on my phone.Lesley Logan 5:12  Yeah, but maybe we could figure out a day off. Maybe we should find a day off average and then take our weekday average and try to get it just a little bit more than a day off average. Okay. Brad Crowell 5:22  We'll see. Lesley Logan 5:22  That has nothing to do with today's guest or Scribble Day. Hey, we're back from P.O.T. Denver and about to kick off our annual eLevate retreat. You guys, oh my God, it's like, literally, in three days. They're like, coming here soon. I'm so excited. We, I have so many prizes for them. We have a special guest for them. We have, I mean, I can't even wait. So anyways, I'm stoked to see them, we have 17 eLevate grads coming. If you want to come to an eLevate retreat, you have to be an eLevator. If you want to know how to be an eLevator, you need to go to lesleylogan.co/elevate. Okay, Brad's not happy with the mic still. I'm talking right at it. I don't know what else to do. Okay. Also, you guys coming up very soon, in April, we're going to be announcing our second Mullet Tour. It's that UK tour we did where we do business in the morning and Pilates in the evening.Brad Crowell 6:09  It's business in the front, Pilates in the back that's why it's the Mullet Tour. Lesley Logan 6:15  And we're doing two cities for this tour, and it's going to be this fall. So you want to go to opc.me/uk to be on the wait list, because those on the waitlist are going to get invited to the early bird. And you know what? It could sell out on early bird. So you want to go to opc.me/uk to get on the waitlist. So you get the early bird special. Brad Crowell 6:31  Spots are definitely gonna be limited, because we're, you know, we're doing it in some studio. Lesley Logan 6:36  It's when we do our (inaudible). It's like they're just small spaces, and we're only doing two days, I think one day in each city. I'm pretty sure it's of almost. Brad Crowell 6:43  Two days in each city, pretty sure. Lesley Logan 6:45  I don't know. I feel like it's a tight squeeze. Just get on the waitlist and you'll find out. If you're in Europe, you should come, just fly over. Brad Crowell 6:52  Go to opc.me/uk for anyone, anywhere. Coming up at the end of April, we've got our spring training. This is the first time we've ever done this before, and we're focusing on drum roll, please. The Pilates push up. Lesley Logan 7:08  The Pilates push up. So if you hate them, this is for you. If you love them, this is for you. We're gonna have 10 classes over the course of one week, all to help you get the most out of your push ups, either to make them more accessible or more possible, or help you realize, like, how freaking strong you already are. Don't worry if you don't have the equipment, we have a mat ticket as well. So go to opc.me/events, because that's going to get you on the waitlist. And those on the waitlist are going to be invited early, and those invited earlier are going to get a better price, than those who are not on the waitlist. So if you're an OPC member, you get the best price. It's called free.Brad Crowell 7:42  So if you want it for free, join OPC. If you want it for free, join OPC.Lesley Logan 7:48  Yeah, yeah, okay. But that's going to be in April, and it will end on International Pilates Day weekend, which we're very excited about. Brad Crowell 7:56  Yeah, go to opc.me/events and then, if you are a Pilates business owner and are taking clients in any way, shape or form, whether that's in the park or at your house, in a studio, and you're booking and taking payments from your clients. I want you to join me on the next upcoming Studio Growth Accelerator and what we're going to do is talk about the three massive secrets that Lesley and I have figured out after coaching more than 2500 businesses just like yours on all the things over the past, geez, seven plus years now, we've boiled it down to three major things that you need to understand in order to grow your income as a business owner, it's totally free. I want you to join me by going to prfit.biz/accelerator. That is profit without the O dot biz slash accelerator. You'll find out when the next webinar is, and come join me. Finally.Lesley Logan 8:49  What we just, like, when we're recording this. We're literally 24 hours back from Cambodia, but we want to invite you to the next time we're going to Cambodia for our Pilates retreat. There we have classes, we have breath work workshops. We have workshops that will help you love your life and have a lot of fun. We go on Temple tours. We have the most amazing schedule, I'm just gonna say, literally during the retreat, multiple times, multiple people said, I just really love the schedule of this retreat. It's so nice. Brad Crowell 9:16  Yeah, the flow of the events. Lesley Logan 9:18  The flow of it. It is. Brad Crowell 9:19  If you've ever been on a retreat and they had events lined up from six in the morning till like midnight, and you just completely fried. And the things were good, but it was just too much. We don't do that. If you've been to other retreats where they're like, we're so happy that you're here, you've got an entire day to yourself. Yeah, we don't do that either. It's a great balance, right in the middle. Lesley Logan 9:39  Like the little, most perfect schedule. Brad Crowell 9:40  Y'all, we've done like, a dozen of these, so it's been a lot of making adjustments. And in fact, every single time we do a retreat, we evaluate it and we say, did we do it the way we liked it? How did it go? And we're at the point now, y'all where, literally, we have the timeline of events completely dialed in, and what we just did three days ago was we sat down with peach, who is part of our group over there, and she is part of the team that helps take care of us, and we said, hey, we want to rearrange the temple tour visits and see if we can't add in yet another temple in there. And we figured out a way to do it. So we're really excited. It's the temple that Lesley and I haven't even visited yet it's exciting, so. Lesley Logan 10:21  Yeah it's really, really cool. And so just we want you to come. And I have had so many people say the next one, the next one. I've told someone like you said the next one three times. I know we have so many things coming up, so I want you to know something's always going to come up. There's many fires all the time. So go to crowsnestretreats.com because we want you to come on this next one, which is in October. And I'm telling you, we had two people sign up very last minute. We had someone who signed up five months in advance, which I guess is not last minute. We had someone sign up two months in advance, so you can sign up. And we've also had people, most of them are people with children who've come on their own because they deserve a week where we fill their cup for them. So come to crowsnestretreats.com to snag your spot. All right, we have so much to talk about Lisa, but we have an audience question to answer? Brad Crowell 11:08  We do. Ashley Crosby from Instagram says, hi, Lesley, I'm back with another DIY question. Do you have any good recommendations on a DIY video to make a Ladder Barrel rung cover? I've been taught to use a blue knee pad to support our feet, but I have tiny feet and the pad makes me feel less secure. Do you have any suggestions? Lesley Logan 11:28  Yeah. So in this question afterwards, they sent me a bunch of other information about why this blue knee pad situation is happening. So first of all, if you are a Pilates person and you've used a Ladder Barrel before, this is what we're talking about. We're talking about in the ladder barrel there are rungs on the ladder, and you have to put your feet on these rungs. And a lot of people are taught to hook their feet on the rung. So if, like, you're watching on YouTube, it's like that hard flex, kind of like you do at the gym, to, like, stick your feet underneath a bar, to kind of hook in, to do sit ups, because your feet keep coming off the ground. That's kind of what we're talking about here. That being said, that's not actually how you're supposed to put your feet. You're supposed to. Brad Crowell 12:02  Oh for Pilates Ladder Barrel you don't, you're not supposed to hook your feet. Lesley Logan 12:05  No, you shouldn't hook your feet. Brad Crowell 12:07  Wait, sorry. So I don't, I don't even understand where this blue knee pad would go. It's supposed to go between your foot and the foot bars to hurt, to protect your foot? Lesley Logan 12:14  Yes, so your foot's not pulling up against like wood, so the pad's there.Brad Crowell 12:19  So you're not even supposed to hook your feet. So this entire purpose is this blue knee pad is irrelevant?Lesley Logan 12:23  Yes, but they're doing it because they think that hooking the foot is safe, and then people complained about the wood hurting their feet, so they're like, let's put a pad here. Brad Crowell 12:32  And then it's still unsafe. Lesley Logan 12:34  Well, and it's unsafe for this person, but also it's not helping you get the connections you need. So when you're doing short box on the Ladder Barrel, which is when this would happen, you're actually supposed to stand on the feet. So you want to put your feet on not the top top rung, but the second rung, or you can even go lower. This is in my flashcard. This is in all my tutorials free. Put the arch of your feet on there, like you're doing bird on a perch during footwork. And then you push, not so much that you're straightened, but kind of like if you were, like, doing a wall squat, you know how like you, like, are pushing into the floor, but you're stuck in a wall squat, you want to push in them so your butt turns on. And if you hook with your feet, it's really hard to get your butt to turn on, and then it's unfortunately, going to help turn on your hip flexors when you're coming up and down, versus keeping your butt on. So Ashley, here's the deal, if you have to do these things because it's rules of studio, pay attention to the rules. But if you have the ability to do it the way that it's meant to be done, then your tiny feet are not an issue, because this, that whatever part of your arch can go on the bar is what you need. It's all you need. Brad Crowell 13:41  It's all you need. Lesley Logan 13:42  And if you want to go to onlinepilatesclasses.com/ladderbarrelexercises. Brad Crowell 13:48  No, it's slash ladder dash barrel dash exercises. Lesley Logan 13:52  Correct. I was going to say with a hyphen in between all the words. Brad Crowell 13:55  Yeah. onlinepilatesclasses.com/ladder-barrel-exercisesLesley Logan 13:59  Yeah, you can see all of our exercise. You'll see how my foot setup is. And know you, so don't, you don't need.Brad Crowell 14:05  They're all the videos that you would need. They're all the DIY videos. Well, they're not DIY videos for making a Ladder Barrel rung cover, because you don't need a ladder barrel rung cover at all. Lesley Logan 14:14  Some people have created one that is made out of like a sheep's skin or sheep fur, whatever, because that's like, antibacterial, antimicrobial, anti whatever. At any rate, some people have made this, I find that they're quite slippery. And again, you don't need it. Why are we buying things we don't need when you can just use your muscles. So full permission to use your muscles. Brad is trying to look up different things, you guys, they're like, legit. So they're like, they're like. Brad Crowell 14:43  50 bucks for a little piece of cloth that wraps around your barrel.Lesley Logan 14:47  Yeah, yep, yep. Oh, you know what you could get? The cover that I use to do back squats, the cover that you use to do back squats, I bet would work. I bet it would fit, because it's Velcro. And that was, like, $12 or $25 online. So I guess if you are like Lesley, I'm adamant I have to hook my feet, you don't know what you're talking about, then you can do that. You could probably use a back squat rung cover. Anyways, there's just so many different changes that people have made to the practice, and it's not about classical versus contemporary. It's just like people changing exercises because someone complained about things. And it's like, maybe you're not doing it right, or you might not be ready for it yet, and that's a different story. So hopefully this saved you money on a pad you don't need. Send your questions in and we'll answer them. Brad Crowell 15:33  All right, stick around. We're going to be talking about Lisa Salisbury and her tips on food and how we treat food in our lives. Okay, welcome back now. Let's talk about Lisa Salisbury. Lisa is a certified Health, Life, and Weight Loss Coach, holds a BS in Health and Human Performance and is the host of the podcast Eat Well, Think Well, Live Well. Lisa is passionate about helping people build a healthier relationship with food and regaining control of their eating habits. Whether weight loss is the goal or not, she focuses on self awareness and creating sustainable strategies to foster a sense of balance and well being. Lesley Logan 16:10  Yeah, I thought that she was very fascinating. There's so many different ways that you can address this topic, and I just really appreciated her like enthusiasm and love and kindness and grace around it. And she said, food is connection. It always has been, even in our hunter-gatherer days, they ate together. For her, every meal should be enjoyable and delicious, not just thought of as fuel. And I kind of like this, because a lot of times the way to break your emotional connection to food is to go food is fuel. Food is fuel. And it's not your comfort food. But for her, she was like, no, no. I mean, it's fuel, but every meal should be delicious and it should be enjoyable. And something since we just got back from Cambodia that this makes me think about is we set the table for every meal, right? In Cambodia, we put placements out, and we put the silverware out, and we put napkins out, and every meal had colorful fruit and we had this beautiful ambiance. It's really interesting how on a retreat, every meal was kind of an event. And of course, the food was delicious, and we all ate together. And like, we sat there and we ate together, we talked. And like, we have an hour for food because we take a good half an hour because we're just all chit-chatting and like, talking about things and getting to know each other more. And no one's on their phones, because we're all eating a meal together, right? And so she emphasizes that value of family traditions to create meaningful meal time moments, meaningful meal time moments. Brad Crowell 17:32  The Triple M threat. Lesley Logan 17:34  Yeah, she sets a table properly, and you sit at the dining room table, and she believes that the act of eating together is more important than what we're eating. And I thought that's so cool, because we've had different guests on before who were like, do you ever just sit and eat your meal, or are you like on your phone while you're eating your meal? And one of the things that I think is causing people to overeat or be hungry all day long is that they're actually not eating the food that they're eating when they're eating it, they're kind of just doing other things, and they're not paying attention to it. But there's something about we slow we slow down, we chew our food. We like taste the food when we're having a meal with people, and it creates connection. And I think a lot of people are just missing connection these days. And I think you could do this, even if you're single. You can also, oh my God, for my single people here's what you can do, you can set a place for two, because the other place could be little you creating space for a partner, and you could be going through the act of taking the time to put a placement out for that, like, whatever you want to do, but like, you could do that, and then you could sit there, and you could enjoy the food, and you can have beautiful music playing, or maybe beautiful flowers to look at, and just actually enjoy your food.Brad Crowell 18:42  I think it's great. I mean, I love the intention as well. Of the two placemats, you know, you're setting it for the future person. That's really cool. I know you used to do that with coffee. Lesley Logan 18:50  For you. Brad Crowell 18:51  For me, yeah.Lesley Logan 18:52  I mean, you, it wasn't for you first. It was just for the person who's going to be here. But then you took the coffee so, you know, anyways, what did you love?Brad Crowell 19:01  Well, actually, I wanted to just comment. She said a couple things about how we were trained with food that I didn't see in my notes. So the idea that when we were kids, if we were causing chaos, maybe our parents were like, here, eat a fruit, roll up and shut up. Or, hey, you did a great job. For example, my parents, when we scored a goal in the soccer game, we went and bought Domino's Pizza. Lesley Logan 19:27  That's, yeah, that's what everyone does. That's the problem. Like, there's a reward for.Brad Crowell 19:32  That's the thing, is like for our parents what it was was we don't go out to eat. We will go out to eat when you score a goal. But what's also happening there is food is becoming the reward, even though that wasn't actually the intention. Yeah, the intention was, we're gonna splurge, and we'll splurge.Lesley Logan 19:51  And also that's the same thing, like, you have a bad day at school, and someone said something you're bullied to, and then the parents, let's go get ice cream, instead of feeling the feelings of what it's like to have been bullied at school.Brad Crowell 20:01  Yeah, or celebrating a moment such as square goal. But it made me wonder, this is the first time I ever thought about that. It made me wonder, has that affected my eating habits? I do think it is real, the Clean Your Plate Club situation that she talked about that blew my fucking mind. I was like, oh my God, this is crazy. I don't know why my parents said there are starving kids in Africa. I didn't know why, until that podcast, when she said we used to ship the food to Africa in the 80s. I was like, what, we did?Lesley Logan 20:30  Right. My parents are the same thing, and we did ship it. We didn't ship the food that was on your table, though, but it caused me to feel like I have to eat everything on the plate. And now, you don't, I mean, don't be wasteful. Brad Crowell 20:42  But the idea was, because we were intentionally shipping food around to share the food with the world, we should be eating all of ours. And, you know, it was just an interesting idea. It comes from the World War One and World War Two, the Clean Your Plate Club, and they literally rationed food in the United States, and so that was a thing. And it's funny. To me, it's like the leftover hoarding is like a big thing from the Great Depression, because people wanted for everything. They had nothing and so they. Lesley Logan 21:13  And you might need it, you would never get rid of it, because you might not be able to get it. Yeah, and I do think that some of these things have been passed down without us knowing why. And here's the deal, obviously, don't be wasteful with food, but also like, you know, you start to learn like, oh we don't need to make that much food.Brad Crowell 21:27  Oh, I've got to eat everything on my plate. Fascinating that this is like a generational, passed on, generational thing, and today the meaning of it is completely disconnected with the intention of it originally, and so now it's just clean your plate, because that's what you're supposed to do, you know. And so we get into this habit of eating that isn't necessarily healthy from either a mental or a physical perspective. Lesley Logan 21:51  It's not helpful whether it's healthy or not, because maybe you're, maybe you're. Brad Crowell 21:55  It could be healthy if you're doing small portion sizes, but because in the United States, portion sizes are so huge, it might not be normal.Lesley Logan 22:02  I know. I was thinking about our dinner in Singapore, and I was, we're like, oh, these is like Vegas prices for this meal. When the food came out, I was like, this is not a Vegas plate. So Vegas prices, but we got, like.Brad Crowell 22:13  Smaller portions.Lesley Logan 22:15  But it was also enough. It was also enough. So I think that that's really true. I just all of this is not to say, like, what's healthy, what's not healthy. It's like, are you actually connecting to the food that you're eating, and do you know why you eat the way that you eat? I think these are really interesting questions to ask yourself, because if it is getting in the way from you having the life you want to live, or it's becoming a crutch of some kind, it's worth evaluating.Brad Crowell 22:38  Yeah. I mean, the why, it's the why are you eating? And you know, she said it could be because you're bored or sad or frustrated or happy celebrating. She highlighted that for many it's not about weight loss, but it's about feeling like they're the ones making the decision, and not the food making the decision for them, I think we need to put that in context. It's about feeling like they're the ones making the decisions, so probably like I'm deciding to eat now, it's not that the food is making decisions for them, but it's just about control.Lesley Logan 23:08  The habits that we create for ourselves, there's no such thing as a good or bad habit. There's also no good or bad foods, right? There's just is how you are eating and how is it affecting your life, in the way that makes you available to do the things you want to do. And so if you are someone who, like, literally is craving sugar and it's distracting you from the things you want to do, so much that you actually are, like, going out and hunting for sugar, which is like an actual thing, because it's an actual food addiction, because your gut starts to crave sugar and tells you this, and you cannot stop thinking about it. And so then you can't actually write the email to the person want to pitch an idea to, because you're like, I just need to get that. Well, that's affecting your life negatively. And these kinks can be a distraction from what makes us have the energy to want to work out our gut literally tells us a lot, like, our gut microbiome tells us a lot, and what you eat trains your microbiome. So it's a whole other thing. I just thought it was really cool.Brad Crowell 24:00  Stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk about those, be it action items, and we're going to dig into the hunger scale, which is pretty cool. All right, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Lisa Salisbury, she mentioned she teaches the hunger scale to her clients, and it goes from negative 10 all the way to positive 10. And she said, negative 10 is like starving yourself. Positive 10 is gorging, where you're very, very full. Negative 10 very, very hungry all the way to very, very full. And she said they're equal distance from zero, which is neutral.Lesley Logan 24:37  Which I loved. I loved a neutral, instead of it being like a one to a 10 or a zero to a 10, five is the place to be. I love that. She was like, no, I'm gonna be make this as a neutral.Brad Crowell 24:48  Yeah. And she said negative 10 and plus 10 are equally uncomfortable. Right? Well, first off, the purpose of it is to build awareness of your hunger and your fullness level throughout the day, right? So she actually charts it. She tells her clients, especially if you've been measuring your macros and you're used to tracking all the stuff and weighing things and whatever. Instead of tracking all that stuff, track your fullness level. And here's how to do it, before each male pause to assess your hunger on this scale, she says, start eating when you're feeling like a negative three, right? When you're just mildly hungry, that's the nicest time to start eating. Stop eating when you're at a plus three, which she describes as you're not really feeling any pressure, you're not wishing you had stretchy pants. You're just comfortable. And she mentioned there's a moment when the body takes a pause, and it's this organic thing where you're like, you know, I'm starting to feel satiated, right? She said, avoid eating when you're overly hungry, negative seven or below, or if you're too full plus seven or above. And you know, obviously, to avoid eating at negative seven, that means you have to have eaten sooner. If you're at a negative seven, you probably should be eating.Lesley Logan 26:00  But maybe, like, have a little snack before you like, sit down for a full meal. Brad Crowell 26:03  I found that interesting too. She had a whole comment on that. She said, why are we snacking? If we're hungry, we should eat a meal.Lesley Logan 26:10  Well, that is actually also interesting. I agree. I have a friend who has a bunch of kids, and she and her husband, they make meals for the family, right? And so one of our kids came home from school and was like, you know, hey, I'm hungry. Can I have this to eat? And so the dinner is at six. If you think that that's going to hold you over till six, then yes, but if you think that you're going to be hungry between that and six, then I want you to think about what would make you satiated till six. And they were like, oh, oh, this isn't gonna be enough. And they actually, like, made half a sandwich so that they were enjoying it. So anyways, I thought that was a cool way of looking at what are you snacking on? Do you need a snack or do you really need to eat? So my biggest takeaway, she advised on eating the amount that's right for your body, paying no attention to food scales, paying no attention to the scale in your kitchen. You can do this by just experimenting with bites. And she talked about the two bite challenge. So we have another challenge for you. Leave two bites at your plate at every meal and see how you feel looking at that food on your plate. Reflect on the experience. Do you feel satisfied or still hungry? Experiment and check in with your hunger afterwards. Remember that this isn't about wasting food forever. It's about learning what you need and putting yourself in charge of your portions. And I think this is also this is also just really cool, because we all need different things at different times in our life. So how you ate at 20 is gonna be different than what you need at 30, it's gonna be different what you need at 40, it's gonna be different during a crazy work schedule versus summer time, you know, vacation time. So I think it's just about connecting with your body and noticing, am I hungry? Really? Am I just bored? There's two bites on my plate. Am I full or am I hungry? Oh, I'm hungry. Okay, I'm not giving myself the portion sizes that I needed so that I would not be a negative seven when I wake up. So it's all just important information for you, so that you're not distracted by your tummy when you're trying to make things happen in this world. I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 27:58  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 27:59  Thank you so much for joining us today. I hope this is a really amazing I hope this got you thinking about you and what you're eating and how you eat it and enjoy it. If you have questions about it, feel free to let us know. If you want to send this to a friend, that would be amazing. We're working really hard and going from a 1.5% podcast to a 1% podcast. We can only do that if you download it. So share this with a friend and until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 28:19  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 28:21  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. 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Are your eating habits helping or hurting your lifestyle? In this episode, Lesley Logan sits down with Lisa Salisbury, a health and weight loss coach, to discuss how we can redefine our relationship with food. Lisa shares insights into disordered eating, the history of the "clean plate club," and how to listen to your body's hunger signals without obsessing over diets. Tune in for practical, mindset-shifting strategies to enjoy food while making choices that truly serve you.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Lisa's own journey from chronic dieting to mindful eating.Dieting for weight loss versus having a healthy relationship with food.How food connects people and why eating should be about enjoyment.The surprising history behind the "clean plate club" and its lasting effects.The signs of disordered eating and how to shift towards intuitive eating.How to identify hunger cues and stop eating before feeling overfull.The two-bite challenge: recognizing fullness without food guilt.Episode References/Links:Lisa Salisbury Website - https://wellwithlisa.comInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/well_with_lisaFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/wellwithlisaLesley on Eat Well, Think Well, Live Well Podcast - https://beitpod.com/ep104Guest Bio:Lisa Salisbury is a former chronic dieter on a mission to help women stop obsessing about everything they eat and feel confident in their ability to lose weight without a diet app. She teaches them to stop counting and calculating all their food and check in with their body. Most of all, she helps women make their lives amazing so food doesn't have the job of comforter, compensator and celebrator. She hosts the top 100 podcast Eat Well, Think Well, Live Well. She is a certified Health, Life and Weight Loss Coach, with a BS in Health and Human Performance. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS!Check out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSoxBe in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates MentorshipFREE Ditching Busy Webinar Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable Pilates Follow Us on Social Media:InstagramThe Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channelFacebookLinkedInThe OPC YouTube Channel Episode Transcript:Lisa Salisbury 0:00  Food has always brought people together, because you cook in big batches, and it's just kind of the way humans evolved to eat together. And so there is connection with food. And if we try to pretend that there isn't, I think it's just a losing battle.Lesley Logan 0:16  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:59  All right, loves, I'm gonna tell you right now that I am pleasantly surprised, amazed, like, excited for this episode that you're about to listen to. I'm gonna let you in a little secret. I do my very best not to have, like, a weight loss as a topic for being it till you see it, because there's just a lot around that, and it's complicated. And also, I don't want anyone out there thinking that weight loss or their weight is actually the thing that's keeping them from being it till they see it. But there are things around our health and wellness and how we eat that can be. And so today's episode, I really hope that you do listen to it and you're not turned off by if their weight loss was in the title, or anything like that, that you actually take a listen because, especially if you are around my age or a little bit older, our relationship with food and how food was used can be complicated, even if we think we have a great one. And today's guest is Lisa Salisbury, and she's an incredible podcast host. I was able to be on her podcast, and the thing that I really love the most about this is it's not about weight loss at all. She actually, multiple times encourage people to eat more, and I think her story will resonate with a lot of you as well. What this is is about how we can and it's not also about like thinking food is just this boring cardboard. It's about how we choose to eat and how we eat, and how we can really make our lives more full in a good way, and not through, like over full through food. So I'm just gonna stop talking, because her words are so beautiful, and she's so thoughtful, and she's incredibly well researched in what she is doing, and I got a whole history lesson in here, so I'm just gonna say freaking great, super awesome, super informative. And I hope this gives you the permission that you might need when it comes to, hey, sit down with your meals, or if you sit down with your meals, or if you needed to be reminded to eat more, or if you just needed permission, like my husband gave me, to just leave some food on the plate. So here is Lisa Salisbury. Lesley Logan 2:59  All right, Be It babe, I'm so excited to have this conversation. It's one we haven't had on the podcast before, and I think it's a really important one as a child from the 80s who was told to clean her plate because there's people starving in other places. It's interesting how that can affect how you how your whole life ends up being. And so I have Lisa Salisbury here. She is the host of Eat Well, Think Well, Be Well. And, nope, it's Eat Well, Think Well, Live Well. Let's get it right, Lesley. Anyways, we'll make sure that link is in the notes so it's just easy for you to find her amazing podcast. I was a guest on it, and I'm and so you can always start off with that episode. Lisa, thank you so much for being here. Can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at? Lisa Salisbury 3:39  Yeah, great. Thanks for having me, Lesley. I, like you said, my name is Lisa Salisbury. I'm a health coach and weight loss coach and podcaster. I was a chronic dieter, as many, many of you, and like you said, people from the 80s. So, started dieting in high school, started having babies, then in my 20s, and so my weight was just on an absolute roller coaster. And it's really quite a long story, as it is, for a lot of people, of how they get into the health and fitness space, health world, any kind of that sort of influence, and it's just usually through your own experiences, which was the same for me. So I just realized, hey, I don't want to do this anymore. I don't want to diet anymore. And I got my health coaching certification. And even through that, I thought I wasn't dieting. I thought that my last ditch effort to quote-unquote lose all of that baby weight was macro counting. And so I thought I wasn't dieting because I thought, oh, this is okay, because I can eat whatever I want as long as it fits your macros. That's like their tagline, right?Lesley Logan 4:41  It's kind of the same thing with Weight Watchers. It's kind of like you can eat whatever you want as long as it's in your points. So it's kind of like that, yeah.Lisa Salisbury 4:46  Right. Yeah, totally. And so my acute study partner that I had during that health coaching course, she gently, so gently, during the eating disorder, we said, oh, is there anything that you're noticing about yourself here? When we were talking about orthorexia, and she was really sweet, and really just opened my eyes to the fact that I was so anxious about meeting my macros that it was really affecting the way I showed up in the world. And so the first time that I sat down and ate lunch without weighing my portions was kind of like mind blowing for me to be like, oh, I'll just let my body decide when I've had enough. There was actually a big increase in anxiety. But then over time, of course, as I let that go, I saw, you know, just a change in my health as far as mental health around food. And then I went on to start coaching, and realized that most of my clients needed help around not so much about what to eat, you know, give them a food plan, but why they were eating when they didn't really want to be eating. Why they were eating when they were bored, frustrated, sad, confused. Why they were eating when they weren't hungry. And so that's when I went and got my life coaching certification, and I really helped them figure out that emotional eating piece which can or cannot have anything to do with weight loss. I have several clients come to me that are just like, I just want to be healthier around my relationship with food. And so whether they lose weight or not is neither here nor there, because they just want to feel like they're the ones making the decisions, and not the food making the decisions for them. Lesley Logan 4:46  I love that you shared that last part about it's not necessarily about the weight loss for most people, it's like the relationship with food. My grandmother was a chronic dieter. Like, up 100 pounds down 100 pounds up, 100 pounds down. She was so pissed when they took Fin-Phen away from her. Like, she was like, this is the thing that worked. And I'm like, so it's killing people. They and they know it. Lisa Salisbury 6:29  Small detail.Lesley Logan 6:47  Yeah. And so, like, I grew up around that, that is what the word diet actually means. When it's, what diet actually means, it's like, how you eat, not just like that you're on a diet, we're, every any which way you eat is a diet, guys, it's just that it's like some but we are trained that that word means, you're on a diet, you're trying to lose weight. And so then, there's people who are like, well, I just want to love the body that I'm in, and you can but if food is dictating how you are doing your life, and when you do things in your life, that can be a problem in allowing you to live the best life that you want to live. I want to just go back to something really quickly, and then I have, okay, orthorexia for the people who don't know what that word is, can you share what that is? Lisa Salisbury 7:29  Yeah, that's kind of the obsession with eating healthy. So it's a fairly new eating disorder. In fact, I have to say, I'm not even sure if it's in the DSM yet, but it is being recognized as a real issue. So a lot of times, this is what we call just disordered eating. When you look at someone's nutrition, when they're like, here's what I ate today, and it's clearly, you know, from a list of 10 foods that are approved in their brains. That's orthorexia, having a lot of anxiety around, for example, I called a restaurant, I remember this particular time, they were a small restaurant, so they didn't have their nutritional information available to me, wasn't like a big chain, you know? And they're like, oh, if you email us, we can send it to you. And they didn't, and I called them several times to get it. That's orthorexia, right, to be so anxious that I need to put my macros in and hit it plus or minus five every single day. And some people think that's a great game. Some people are like, that's my favorite game with Tetris to play. Great. That's fine. You can absolutely count off macros and not have orthorexia, totally. That didn't work for me. My brain, I was like, I have to do this. And if I didn't, what was weird is I went to a lot of times, I would be like, well, I can't. And so now it's a cheat day. Now it's a eat whatever I want sort of day which is also disordered. Lesley Logan 8:56  Yeah, I feel like there's more people with disordered eating than maybe they recognize. You mentioned a few signs of orthorexia, and some of those equal disordered eating. Is there any other signs of disordered eating? And mostly because what I'm hoping for today is I've always tried to make sure that everyone feels super loved on this show, that every listener knows even if I'm a Pilates instructor, I'm not here to make anyone change their body. I'm here about moving people, because I know movement heals and it's mental health and it's all this stuff, but I also know that there are things that we do out of habits and especially around food, that can be affecting us, having an amazing mental health life, or having fun in our life, or actually focusing on other things in our life. So if you can talk about like, some of the signs of disordered eating that people might not necessarily recognize.Lisa Salisbury 9:42  I think having just a really small list of foods that you are able to consume. So if you're like, I only eat chicken and these two kinds of fish or so if your list is really small, if you're excluding foods that are considered whole foods. So if you're excluding things, especially entire groups of food, like all carbohydrates, or if you're like a potato, which is grown in the ground, is somehow bad for you, obviously barring allergy or, you know, insensitivity, that kind of thing. But if you've excluded several whole foods, that would be concerning. If you're excluding ultra-processed foods, that's great. Let's do that. Lesley Logan 9:58  You're fine, everyone. Lisa Salisbury 10:33  Yeah. But if we're like, hey, we're going to exclude all kinds of different whole foods, then that would be kind of a hallmark if you are eating on the clock. So if you are like, I cannot, should not, not supposed to those types of words, eat before my alarm goes off at 1 pm there's a difference between intermittent fasting and being starving and gritting your teeth until 1 pm until 2 pm, until that moment, right? So you have to really look and check in with yourself is, am I doing this because I really, actually feel amazing, or am I doing this because if I don't, anxiety will skyrocket, because if I don't, I will have somehow lost control. Or if I, does that make sense?Lesley Logan 11:19  It totally makes sense. Also, it makes sense because I've been listening to Mindy Pelz on her fast like a girl thing, which is, yeah. And I would listen to her thing in the way she describes how you should feel on the fast. And then she's also very careful to qualify, like, if you have somewhat disordered eating, you should be doing this as a professional, and not on your own. And what's interesting is, as I was doing the fast like a girl thing, I was very consciously aware, like, okay, how am I going to do this? So I don't have control issues around it, because having grown up with the history of my grandma being on a diet, off the diet, so then, of course, I was, I'm the girl who was pulling out the magazine articles on all the exercises and putting them in a binder to do all of them, and then totally eliminating whole food groups most of high school and college. So I'm just really aware that it's easy for me to go, oh, this is like, something like, it's healthy to do it, so I'm gonna do it like this, and then get controlled about it. So, like, okay, I'm just gonna interestingly pretend to do it and see how I feel. And she had these tools. If you do get hungry, but you're not famished and you just need, you can do a cup of coffee. And so I was trying it out, and I could tell the difference between being like, I am really, actually hungry right now and I need to eat something, versus I'm actually just bored right now because I normally eat at eight. Lisa Salisbury 11:19  Right, right, yeah. Lesley Logan 11:29  Which is a really fascinating thing, because it's like, okay, well, I could do other I could do other things, then, why am I choosing to eat at eight o'clock, versus like, so it's just a really interesting thing, because you can't, I can see how someone could over control the healthy intermittent fasting process and make it an unhealthy thing for them. So thank you for sharing that. I want to just like, pick your brain a little bit, because you have so much information around this. You know, so many people are raised where food is a reward for, like, getting good grades or you're feeling bad. So then there's food, and then we have to eat. Can we talk a little bit about relationship with food? And like, are we supposed to just be agnostic? How do we what are we supposed to feel with food? Because I think it's really interesting, right? It's like a fun thing. Like, I want to get some ice cream right now. Like, how are we supposed to think about food in our lives? Lisa Salisbury 13:21  It's such an interesting topic, because you'll find you know coaches who have trained at the same exact schools that I have will give you wildly different answers. Some people are like, food is fuel. That is it. You only eat it for fuel. And I have never, I tried that for a little while, and I never could get on board. I never could get on board with food as fuel, because the truth is, food is connection, and it always has been. Even in hunter-gatherer days, they ate together, right? I mean, I don't know, maybe the documentaries are incorrect. I wasn't there, but I think most tribal groups still ate together. Food has always brought people together, because you cook in big batches, and it's just kind of the way humans evolved to eat together. And so there is connection with food. And if we try to pretend that there isn't, I think it's just a losing battle. And so I have decided every time I eat I want it to be delicious, and when I think about food being fuel, that sounds like cardboard to me, right? Like, just hook me up to an IV, there's like. Lesley Logan 14:28  No one's ever been excited to go get filled. I mean, like, no one is excited to fill up their gas tank, right? If you think about it, how many of us are waiting until, like, I've got one mile left, I better go, You know what I mean? So it's not exciting, and not the food has to be exciting. But I do love that you brought up connection because I think so many of us lack that in our daily lives. So much stuff is like, I mean, we're here on Zoom, right? So much stuff is digital and virtual, and so there's not that space. But I also think how much we've lost the connection around the eating as well. People eat alone at work, they eat at their desk, you know what I mean, or they're at home, working remote. They're by themselves. And so that would be an interesting maybe goal. It's like, how many meals can you actually have sitting down with someone that you love or care about or want to spend time with?Lisa Salisbury 15:12  It's actually a huge point that I make with my clients, because when we're talking about waiting until we're hungry to eat, because that's the nicest time to eat, by the way, is when you're hungry, when you're just mildly hungry, that's the nicest time to start eating. And so we talk about, okay, what does your lifestyle look like? What time do you eat with a family? Do you eat with a spouse? And what time is that? And we adjust the rest of their day and the rest of their eating if need be around that piece, because the relationships come first. And so I think that's kind of another thing about food, is that we want to focus on, I actually want to have dinner with my family regardless of what we're eating. The important piece is that we, and I still insist on this, because I'm neurotic. We set the table placements and everything. And like my kids know how, every one of them knows how to set a proper table, like where the fork goes and the cup and everything, because we sit and have dinner as a family. And so because that is important to me, it's far more important than what we're eating. And so I want food to be enjoyable, but it's not just about the food and when you're eating, and it's only about the food, and it's only about how good the food tastes. That's when you overeat, that's when you take in too much, that's when you feel yuck afterwards. That's when you're like, because the truth is, it doesn't matter if you're trying to lose weight or if you're not trying to lose weight, even if you're trying to gain weight, like, if you're trying to gain muscle or whatever, overeating actually feels terrible. We pretend that it doesn't. We pretend that it's so fun. We pretend like, oh, this was like, amazing, and, oh, I'm stuffed. And we pretend to have a happy face. But inside, let's think about how your body feels. It's not good. Lesley Logan 16:15  It's not good. You don't even feel great the next morning, sometimes. Everyone loves Thanksgiving. I have to be so honest, I'm so grateful that my family is like, there's only four of us. It's not worth buying anything. Let's go to a restaurant. We have no leftovers. I love that, because there's a whole pressure around some of those holiday meals, like overeat. But it's true, and maybe we get this a good time to ask you, I don't actually people know when full is. Do you know what I mean? Like, I was listening to something about how, in Japan, they teach kids from the age of five how to eat until they're 80% full, how to know what that feels like. They, also, they take a bite of one thing, and they take a bite of a different thing and take a bite of a different thing, and so they're putting their fork down. They're enjoying the bite. They're enjoying the food. I don't eat, like that, I'm gonna eat all the salad, and then I'm gonna eat all the meat. I think that it has taken me, as a 41-year-old, oh, I'm full now, and to, like, stop eating no matter how delicious it is. And I think that's a really difficult thing. Like, where does that come from? Are we just so lacking and delicious food that we just keep going? Or, like, is it a learned behavior that we have?Lisa Salisbury 17:59  I definitely think it's learned behavior because if you watch a toddler eat, first of all, they're usually far too busy playing to eat. And then if you're like, Hey, come on, come on, you could drill them to the table when they're done, they're done, you cannot get that last bite of macaroni and cheese in them if they do not want to eat it. That's just it. When you're two, you actually are really good at hunger and fullness cues. I mean, really, babies, they don't stop nursing because the milk is out. They, the milk runs out because they've stopped nursing and trained, they train the mother, right? You, if you have been a nursing mother, or been associated or seen your sister, or whatever, their milk supply adjusts not immediately. I mean, I could have nursed triplets when I first had a baby, but eventually, it adjusts based on the child. And so we teach our children that you should eat past full a couple of ways. Number one, we offer them food and snacks to cure boredom and as rewards and to fix their owies, right? So we teach them that food is the answer to a lot of their emotional problems. I did this, too. I have four kids. I did it. I, no judgment, no shame. This is just what you do as a parent, because it works. It's fine, it's normal. Lesley Logan 18:00  Yeah, I have no judgment, because I have seen a crying kid sometimes, like on an airplane, like, how do we stop? Yeah.Lisa Salisbury 19:27  Yeah. Like, please give that kid some goldfish. So I think that's the first thing that we do as parents. And then the other thing that we do to keep our kids from paying attention and letting them go by their own physical fullness cues is the clean your plate. You've got to clean your plate. You have to eat this if you want dessert. No more potatoes, if you don't eat the broccoli and that sort of thing. And so it really kind of messes with because they're like, well, I want the ice cream. And so they force down whatever is on their plate. And then, put ice cream on top of that. And so they're like, well, the right thing is to feel this way, because this is how it feels when I get to eat what I want to eat, the ice cream. And so the, you know, cleaning your plate is, well, it's a tricky topic. Do you want me to get into that as well? Lesley Logan 20:17  I want because here's why, and this is for anyone listening, I think if you raised your kids this way, you shouldn't shame yourself about it, but I think it's good information, because it does, I swear it's ugly how when you're an adult, my husband, when we were first dating, I was like, I'm so full, and I would like, take another bite. And he's like, what are you doing? And I was like, well, I don't wanna waste the food. And he goes, you can just put it in a Tupperware. And I just started laughing. I was like, oh my God, I hear my parents, and my mom listens to this, so please don't get mad, but like, children are starving in Africa. You better eat your food. The young me didn't understand that the food on my plate is not going to any starving child. So like, it doesn't actually it's not being wasted at all. And so as an adult, I had to learn that because I was getting sick every night trying to finish the plate, and it really did affect my moods at night, my sleep at night. And those are the things, you guys, that if your sleep is affected, if your digestion system is not going well, that affects you from reaching the goals you have, because it becomes, your life starts to revolve around how you're feeling out of that one heavy or two heavy meals. And again, this is not a weight loss thing. This is a just a getting you, getting us a relationship around food that can allow us to live the life we want to live. So, I love to get into details of it. Lisa Salisbury 21:26  Yeah. The thing about your mom saying that, is that, isn't it crazy how many people just nodded their heads, and I just already know this, because we all use the same phrase. Why? This is what I was like. Why do we all use this phrase? Where did this come from? So I started to just like Google a little bit, and right at the very top of Google, you can Google it yourself. The Clean Plate Club was an actual club in World War One. It was a government program and was started up again in World War Two, and the reason for this, so Clean Plate Clubs were established in elementary schools. So your grandmother was likely exposed to that phrase as a government program as an elementary school student, because that's back when her eyes are like, getting so big.Lesley Logan 22:17  This is like that. I'm sure, I'm sure there's a reason that had to do with the war, but keep going. Lisa Salisbury 22:22  Yes, so okay, that's when, like, lunch ladies were actual, like making lunch back there, right? In actual kitchens. They weren't just serving up packaged foods like we get today. So they're making actual lunch. They're dishing up actual food. It's not that kids today don't get actual food, but I just mean, like dishing up a portion of meatloaf, right? And the idea was, the child would say, this is how much I want. And then when they would finish their plate and be part of the Clean Plate Club that indicated, I took the right amount for me. And there were rations. We were trying to conserve food, because for them, there were starving children in Europe. There was war-torn countries that we were trying to help, and we were shipping food to Europe. So the less that we could waste here really did help the European nations at that time, but as time went on, we weren't sending food to those nations, and we have more abundance in this country. And we do have the ability to send food in the 80s to Africa or to the other, you know, China, I got that one a lot, too, and still, we can waste a few bites of our food without that affecting it, because we're not on rations anymore. There were true rations in World War Two. Like, my grandma told me, they came around and asked, how much do you have of this and that and the other? And it's a story that sticks in my head, because she said, when they came around and they asked me how much sugar I had, I said I didn't have any, because I took all the sugar on my shelf, and I made sugar syrup, and I canned it so that I would have sugar syrup to can my peaches when it was time. And then I got my full ration of sugar so I could also make a jam. Poor woman, she was trying to, like, conserve food and do all her canning, and try and do that with, on sugar rations. But that's why I know they came around and asked, because. So there really were rations at that time. Lesley Logan 24:21  So they were trying to keep, make sure that you're not, like, saying, I need a cup, and you only used a quarter. And it's like, well, we're in a, you don't need another because you're not using your.Lisa Salisbury 24:21  Right. Lesley Logan 24:29  So this is very fascinating. This is interesting because they were actually like, kind of teaching people, I want this much meatloaf, and then I ate that much meatloaf. So I didn't waste anything, but I didn't ask for more than I needed, which is very different than how it you know, just like everything, it's like the game of telephone. How it translated to, which is, we aren't on rations anymore, but you should still clean your plate, because I always clean my plate, and we are not teaching kids how to pick a portion that they can then eat. Lisa Salisbury 25:00  Well, portions, too, are such a mess, which I want to get into in a second, but I will say we do a lot of these things. This is one of my favorite jokes. I'm pretty sure I read it in the Reader's Digest when I was a kid. They're having a big family dinner, and the granddaughter is the one who's hosting. She's an adult, and she had cut off the edges of the ham, and her mom said, Why'd you cut off the edges of the ham? And she goes, I don't know, because you always did it. And the mom goes, well, I did it because my mom did it. And Grandma was, like, I only did it because it didn't fit in the pan, right? Like, we need to stop doing things because the ham didn't fit in the pan for our grandmothers, right? The problem is, in the 80s, a bagel was about three inches across. And in 2016 there was a big study done, and they called this portion distortion. So, in 2016, bagels averaged six inches across. We still consider that a portion. A bagel is a portion, right? So when you're like, well, we've got to teach kids what portions are. They don't even know what portions are appropriate for their bodies, because they go to a fast food restaurant and they're like, here is a portion of fries. But if you look at the nutrition label for what they are serving you as a portion of fries, it might be considered two or even three servings, right? So a serving size is much different than what we consider a portion. If you ever looked at the serving size of cold cereal, no, no teenage boy eats a serving size for cereal. Lesley Logan 26:26  And here's why, here's what I noticed, guys, because in my 20s, trying to lose the Freshman 25 that I gained. I was like, I was doing the portion control situation. And I was like, let's say, a three-fourths of a cup. That was like, that's mostly what it is for cereal. And I'm like, how do you even measure that? You have a cup, a half a cup, a quarter. I do two measuring cups, and then I get this little itty-bitty, like, you couldn't fill up on that if you wanted to. Lisa Salisbury 26:52  No, no. So we have all this portion distortion. And so we go to restaurants, and they're like, here's a portion. They never once asked how hungry I was. And if my husband and I ordered the same thing, our plates look exactly the same, even though he's six-five and, you know, 215, I am not that size. I do not need the same size portion, serving size that he does. And also, if I haven't eaten all day and he just ate lunch, maybe I am going to eat more than him. So there's just so many factors about what you're going to eat at that meal, and the restaurant never asks you. They just bring out the portion, right? So we have to learn to, like your husband said, put it in a Tupperware, put it in a to-go box. Or if it's a salad and it's dressed, or it's salmon, or it's not going to keep we have to be okay with leaving it behind. And it wasn't our job, wasn't our fault. If you asked for a half portion, would the restaurant even do it? I don't know. Maybe. You're still going to pay the same. It's not about the money you're paying for the experience, which goes back to food being as a positive part of relationship and connection. My husband and I went out to dinner last Friday for a date night. It didn't matter that we ate two different things. It didn't matter that I didn't finish mine and brought some home and he didn't finish his, but he decided not to bring it home. That's not what we were paying for. We were paying to not do the dishes. I was paying to not have the mental work of thinking of what to make and then making it and then cleaning it up. I'm the primary cook and cleaner in our house. Like it's fine, that's, he does other things. I'm not mad about it, but that's mental load. You're paying for all of that when you go out, you're not paying for three or four or 10 ounces of French fries? Lesley Logan 28:45  Yeah, I am obsessed with this conversation, because I love the permission that you're giving every single person here. And this is like, it's an interesting way. It's just such an interesting way to think about all the different things that we do, and why do we do it. And I feel like that's like, kind of your way that you work with your clients. It's like, it's not about the diet and it's not about the weight loss, it's about understanding the choices that you're making and why you're making them, so that they're your choices and you're not being controlled by your choices. Am I correct? Lisa Salisbury 29:14  Totally. Yeah. Lesley Logan 29:14  Yeah. I guess the next question I have is, and maybe this is something you just work with people on is, how do we understand, in a sense it's going to sound so stupid, but only because I feel like someone's listening like, going, okay, that's me. What is the before feeling full feel like? Do you know what I mean? Because if we know that it takes forever, many minutes, to get from my mouth to my stomach, what are those signs? Because my friends used to make fun of me, because in college, I would pull out my napkin and put the death blanket on the meal, because I was trying to teach myself I'm getting full, and so I'm going to put the death blanket on. Maybe people are wondering what those signs are, what's their body telling them so that they can start to think about, do I need this other bite? Or can I take this home? Or can I just leave it here? Lisa Salisbury 29:54  Yeah, totally. So I teach this as what I call a hunger scale. If you were to Google that you'll see lots of different versions of them. Most go from one to 10. I use a hunger scale that goes from negative 10 through zero to positive 10. And the reason is because negative 10 is very, very hungry and positive 10 is very, very full. They are equal distant from zero, which is neutral, because they're equally uncomfortable, right? Like I said before, positive 10, being super full seems like it's fun. It seems like it's fun to be like, roll me out of this restaurant. But it's uncomfortable when we're focusing just on how we feel in our bodies and not how we're beating ourselves up in our brains about it. That's a whole nother thing. But when we just focus on our bodies, they're equally uncomfortable. And then as we get closer to that neutral, that zero, where we're neither full nor hungry, we don't feel food in the stomach. We're not feeling like pressure, but we're also not hungry at all. That's zero. We want to spend most of the time at that point, right? So you want to wait until you're at a, what I call negative three to eat. So this is true signs of physical hunger. We're like, oh, feeling really light. Very first startings of your stomach, like turning a little bit, oh, I'm empty here. The reason this is the nicest time to start eating is because if you wait and get really hungry, when you wait and you're like, at a negative seven or eight, and you're cramped up. You put food in that cramped up stomach, and it cramps worse. And then it's, do you know what I'm talking about? Lesley Logan 31:25  I do know, sorry about when you're like, yes, and also, then you're more uncomfortable, because you're almost like, you're eating faster, I don't know, like, it's like, oh my God, I just need to get this in me because I'm so famished. And then you, you don't even really, you don't even feel zero happen. You just get past it real quick. And then you're uncomfortable the other way. That's how, that's my experience.Lisa Salisbury 31:45  Totally. And so if we can catch it at just a negative three, and then we want to eat until we're at a positive three. So this is really not technical. I call this a meal. The reason I make a joke of that is because in every diet community out there, they're like, here's what to do if you're hungry, and they suggest this 100 calorie snack, 100 calorie snack packs. I mean, you get on Pinterest and you're like, snacks for weight loss. It's like, why? Why do we need a snack? If you're hungry, then we want to sit down and eat a meal. If you, if you get to the end of the day and you're like, gosh, I just was hungry all day. Look back. Did you just snack all day or did you ever wait for hunger, sit down, get out a place mat, get out a napkin, actually eat a meal until you are comfortable, and then get up and move on with your day. I guarantee, the solution for hunger and for being hungry all day is to eat a meal. Okay.Lesley Logan 32:46  Yeah, I love, I love this. I also love, I love it's like, like, not pomp and circumstance, but I really love that you're like, put a placement down, sit down, have a meal. My husband and I have lunch at not always together, but we eat our lunch at the dining room table in our house. We work from home, and we don't eat it at our desks. We eat it as much as possible at the table, with like the placemat and with the things, because it is, it's an event, and it's a pause, and it's a time to focus on that. And the next goal would be to put the phone down. That'd be great. But you know, like we're getting there, we're getting there, and I think that's an important thing. But I love that you're bringing up those, those snacks, because also, you guys, just eating a meal, or eating like half a sandwich, like making half the sandwich, you are gonna give your body exactly what it needs. It's not a distraction. Again, we're being it till we see it. If we're feeling hungry all day long, that is taking up space in your brain from other things.Lisa Salisbury 33:42  Totally. Yeah. So when you get to that positive three, here's some of the ways you're going to know it. Number one, you're going to feel like kind of a there's called a sigh. You're going to feel your body take a breath. Watch for that. That's often the time where things are shifting around. You're getting too satisfied. When you're at a positive three. You're not using the words full, stuffed. You're not feeling pressure, a lot of discomfort. You don't have to unbutton your pants. You're not wishing for stretchy pants. Okay, it's before that. So if you get to that point, you're like, oh, okay, this is, this is not a positive three. I'll try again tomorrow. It's no big deal. Experiment with this. When I assign this to my clients, when I give them the hunger scale, and I'm like, I want to see hunger scale numbers on your food journal, where they just like, write it down, you know, I was at a negative two and positive five or whatever, if they come back to me and every single meal says negative three, positive three. I'm like, I'm sorry you did not do the assignment, because the assignment is to experiment with it, which means you're going to take two bites less. You're going to leave two bites on your plate and see how that feels, and then in an hour, if you're like, yeah, actually, I really am still hungry. That wasn't quite enough. Fine. Eat more. But you can't know what your positive three is if you've been over-eating consistently, you can't really know what it is until you gradually get down to it. Yeah, the first couple days, you might overshoot, and then you might undershoot, and that's okay, because we live in a world where there is food on every corner. Right. There's no more scarcity. We don't live in caves and tribes anymore, but our brains, unfortunately, have not caught up with that and so we have to teach them that food's always available. Lesley Logan 35:30  I love your permission to experiment and be curious, because I do think it is going to require, it's part of just being curious in our bodies, and that's something I'm like, really big, and that's why I love my Pilates because it's a way for me to be curious in my body. This is about being curious, not being perfect. This is about kind of understanding, and especially if you've never figured out what portions of food are going to put you in that positive three when you come at a negative three, versus what portions of food are you going to need if you're coming to negative five, these are good information to know, because then when you go out and you pick the meal, you can actually make that decision for yourself, and you can enjoy the company you're with, as opposed to being so focused on how many bites you're having or the macros like, my God, I could never. I couldn't. My friend is a macro coach, and I try, I literally try. I lasted one day, and I'm spending more time thinking about my food than I am anything else. And no offense to people who love their macros. Again, if it's working for you, that's great. But I think that what I truly love about what you're saying here and what your mission is is really to help people go back to food being part of the connection that they're trying to make in this world, and also really understanding what their needs are and meeting their body's needs.Lisa Salisbury 36:38  Yeah, totally. And when we appreciate food for what it is and for the relationships that we're forming when we eat together, we just don't require the need of food to be our comforter, compensator, celebrator, all the things that we use food for, we can drop all of that and still enjoy food at mealtime. Still be like this food is delicious, and still, sometimes, you know, we can eat the cookie or the breads or whatever you've previously said is off limits when we are eating these things in the right portions for our body. So most of the time, you feel gross when you eat those chocolate chip cookies, not because you had one, because you had four or five.Lesley Logan 37:24  Yeah, on a full stomach, because you finished your plate. Lisa Salisbury 37:27  Yeah, yeah. Right? So we're like, oh yeah, sweets, they make me feel sick. Do they? Or did you just not leave room in your hunger scale for them? Like, if you stop, if you're like, oh hey, it's a dessert night, because, for whatever reason, you know, you made dessert or, I mean, I had fresh plums coming out my ears. We have this tree that reaches across our yard, and I swear, we get more plums than the neighbor does that actually grows the tree. And so, you know, I make a plum, a plum cobbler, so it's a dessert night. I keep that in mind when I'm eating dinner, because I'm like, I want to enjoy the plum cobbler, and so I include it as part of my hunger scale with that whole meal. Lesley Logan 38:07  Lisa, thank you for opening our eyes up, because there's a lot that we have all learned here today. It's been permission-giving and also fun and a way to be curious. And I love your hunger scale. So you've given us so much, we'll take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you and work with you. Lesley Logan 38:24  All right, Lisa, where do you hang out? Where can people connect with you more?Lisa Salisbury 38:27  So mostly, I'm on Instagram that's Well_With_Lisa, well with Lisa with those spaces in there and a lot of Instagram links you back to my podcast. I share a lot of the podcast content on Instagram, and that's Eat Well, Think Well, Live Well on any of your favorite podcast platforms. Lesley Logan 38:46  Awesome. Okay, you've given us a lot. Actually, you've given us some amazing stuff. I know my overachiever perfectionists are already writing down the hunger scale, but bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it, what are some of those that you have for us? Lisa Salisbury 39:01  Okay, so I'm just all about eating the amount that's right for your body, paying no attention to food scales, paying no attention, like, to your the scale in your kitchen. So I think you can do this by just experimenting with bites. Leave two bites behind at every meal this week, and experiment with being the person who is allowed to waste food, because that's very tricky sometimes, and so one or two bites is not going to make a difference much on your hunger, but it's kind of like being it till you see it, meaning you're like, not quite using the hunger scale, but you're experimenting with it. And so that's one of my favorite challenges for my clients, is the two bite challenge. We leave two bites at dinner, every meal if you want, primarily just dinner and see how you feel, looking at that food on your plate, and then also checking in with your hunger. Maybe next week you're going to dish up two bites less. I don't know. Maybe you actually needed more food, so next week you're going to dish up two bites more. But just experiment with it and allow yourself to leave food behind and just really check in and see how that feels. Lesley Logan 40:16  I love this. I really do. I think the easy, wonderful challenge that's not going to be easy for some people, but it's going to be possible. I should say, that's going to be possible for people, it's not enough to go buy out, to go buy anything. It's something that you're already doing. And I also think how cool that once you start to figure out what you need, and each day may be different, like you might need more, might need less. It's not like you're wasting food forever. You're actually going to start to learn what you need, and so you're giving people so much permission and power and putting it back in their hands. So thank you so much, Lisa, for being here. Thank you for all of your tips. I think this is going to be really helpful. Also, I think, for parents who have kids, what a wonderful way to help them understand, you know, their own figuring out, like, how hungry are you? I had a girlfriend whose kids would come and go, hey, I'm hungry. Can I have a snack? And she's like, okay, dinner is going to be in two hours. So whatever snack you choose, make sure it's going to sustain you for two hours. Shouldn't say ruin dinner. She always would say, like, let's make sure it's going to sustain you for two hours, so we're not going to need another snack before then. And she really helped them learn, like, which choice should I have? Should I have the grapes or should I have the beef jerky? She helped them figure that out. So I think that this is really fun information that people can use in their own lives first and then also with the people around them. So thank you, Lisa. Lesley Logan 41:26  You guys, how are you going to use these tips in your life? Make sure you let Lisa know. Let the Be It Pod know. Share this with a friend who needs to have, you know that friend who, like, is annoying to go to restaurants with, that one that will only go to one restaurant because that's one that she can eat at. You can share this with her, and she won't find out till right now why you did that. So, all right, loves, until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 41:50  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. 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In this Fuck Yeah Friday episode, Lesley Logan highlights an inspiring story of a young girl who turned her autism diagnosis into a celebration, reminding us all to embrace what makes us unique. She also shares incredible wins from the community, from finalizing a studio purchase to unexpected career opportunities that reinforced confidence. Tune in for a powerful reminder that outside validation can reinforce inner growth, and that celebrating your wins—big or small—fuels the path forward.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:A young girl's inspiring autism celebration and why embracing differences matters.The power of celebrating personal milestones, from final payments to career breakthroughs.How small steps create big shifts in confidence and opportunity.Lesley's journey to sustained energy—and the habits that made a difference.Why external validation can confirm the work we're already doing.Episode References/Links:Life on the Spectrum Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/reel/DEGIy48ThBN If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS!Check out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSoxBe in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates MentorshipFREE Ditching Busy Webinar Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable Pilates Follow Us on Social Media:InstagramThe Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channelFacebookLinkedInThe OPC YouTube Channel Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  It's Fuck Yeah Friday. Lesley Logan 0:01  Fuck yeah. Lesley Logan 0:05  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:47  Hello, Be It babe. How are we doing? Happy March 21st 2025. I'm practicing saying that because we are still recording these in January, because we've got stuff in February and things like that, that are going to get me out of town. I know I'm already back in town, but I'm getting ready to go out of town. That, such is the life we live. And so we must honor the time that we have. Lesley Logan 1:05  All right. So this episode is the time where we share something that's inspiring, that I saw online, that I'm like this just should inspire us all. We should all be so, like, this is amazing, very interesting to take note of. A win of yours, a win of mine, and a mantra. Really quick and simple. Lesley Logan 1:18  Okay, so this one came from @lifeotspectrum. I'm not really sure if it was like, oh, Life On The Spectrum. Duh, Lesley, get it together. OT. You know, usually they don't, usually put the T in the acronym, but there we go. So it says, point of view, your daughter is diagnosed with level two autism and asked for a party to tell her friends why she feels different. And I just think that's great. I think that's amazing. How beautiful is this child. She's like, oh, okay, I'm autistic. I'm gonna have a party so my friends can celebrate the differences in me. Brilliant, brilliant. You know, we should all have a party to celebrate our differences. Wouldn't that be so cool? So way to go. I believe her name is Ayla, and they said in the captions from Life On The Spectrum, like, slay queen, yes. And you know what's really funny? I don't think I would have thought of that, right? But it reminds me of I was getting my hair done, and I, finally, after six years, got a car, and it's a car I've wanted for a really long time. It's a really special car to me. It's a car that I've dreamed about. And I really, truly haven't had a vehicle. We have had the van, but I haven't had a car that can fit into a parking garage or, like, be valet or anything, for six years, and it hasn't gotten in the way, but it has. There's always a way around. There's like, another place to go to, but you have to go out of your way, right? And so when I showed her my car, she's like, you have to have a party for your car. And I was like, are you crazy? But actually she's not, because if I had been like Ayla, I could be like, I'm gonna do this. So Ayla, thank you so much for showing us that we can celebrate our uniquenesses with a party. And so maybe we should all do that. That's what we should all be doing. Lesley Logan 2:49  Okay, let's get to what your wins because it's so fun for you to hear your own win later on, after you've had it, in case you're having a day, and you're like, oh my goodness. And then you hear this, and you're like, oh, I had a win before. Yes, and also, and also for you listener, if you didn't send it in to see, like, what is possibly a win and how you might have had that in your life, right? So Melissa Capitano, on Wednesday, sent off my final payment to officially buy the studio from the previous owner. Still have some loans to pay off related to buying it, but I don't owe the seller anymore. Fuck yeah, that's amazing. It's so amazing to, like, make a final payment on something. You really have to celebrate that. How many of you have made a final payment on a credit card or on a student loan or on something and with red you know, one of these money coaches I listened to was just like, oh no, whenever you're paying a bill, you should do it from the highest light, from the highest place. So, Melissa, thank you for reminding us to do that. Lesley Logan 3:42  Kristin Salmans wrote, Contrology contacted me to write an article on the Spine Corrector and then emailed me again, asking to collaborate on a reel because of the ones I've done and tagged them in have been their best performing. Shocking on so many levels, and feeling honored and encouraged to keep doing what I'm doing. Didn't think any of that was in my strengths, but it's helped me to feel confident in areas I doubted myself. Also, Kim Young, as a motivator, using my Spine Corrector daily, wins all around. Isn't it so fun to get caught trying, just doing the thing, and then you get caught trying, and people see something in you, and it's, oh my God. Sometimes we have to have other people see something in us for us to go, I'm killing it. I'm doing a great job. So can't wait for your Contrology article to go out, Kristin, and I'm so happy you're loving your Contrology Spine Corrector. I love mine. It's one of my favorite things to be on. It's really, really beautiful. Lesley Logan 4:28  Okay, so a win of mine. I really want to highlight something, I think I mentioned it on a podcast that it's already come out, but I don't think I've celebrated it as a win with you guys. So on the last day of the tour. I mean, I guess I'd celebrate it with you. I talked about it on the podcast, but I just want to say I didn't actually celebrate it as a win, and I want to celebrate it as a win, because that's the message I preach. So on the last day of the tour, I had someone come up to me on the last event and and say, like, how do you have so much energy? And I have to say, a year before the winter tour, I did not end the year with a ton of energy, end of the year, not resentful or upset or like negative or not wanting to do what I do, nothing like that, but just kind of exhausted, a little whelmed, not overwhelmed or underwhelmed. Just okay, it's done, right? And her noticing that I had high energy at the end of a day, at the end of a long tour, after living out of a van for 36 days, there was a woman in me who was dancing with joy inside, because I was like, yes, you did it. And I will say that energy that she saw came from several wins compiled together. One of those is advocating for myself and finding some help with my hormones, which help with my sleep. Another is just years of continually keeping my practice up, and also boundaries, pretty strong ones that can annoy people sometimes. And I share this as a win because I knew I was doing all those things, and I even celebrated those ones along the way. You heard many of them, but it was really nice for someone outside to who it doesn't know me to see those things in me. And I was like, yes, because it's easy for us to get off of our own trains and off of our own dedications, and right before we could have had the outside validation to match the inside validation. Of course, the inside validation should be the only thing. But honestly, in a world of a lot of -ish, sometimes you need the outside validation to remind you that your inner validations is working. So I hope that makes sense. Anyways, essentially, my win is someone saw that I had the energy I've been working on getting and maintaining for a year ago, and it just made my day. Just made my day. And isn't that fun for something to make your day? It is for me. Lesley Logan 6:49  So, all right, let's pull a mantra. It's not even a mantra. This is, it's called The Deck and I actually have never, I know what I'm gonna pull. So, oh, this one's a, this one's a long, theirs are not mantras, because these are long. So here it is, and you can journal to it, right? We put the show notes of these podcasts out. You can journal to it. So, I embrace the mess my heart makes. It chooses to love. It chooses to feel. It chooses to wander far beyond the bounds of what seems like a logical decision. It risks being broken in order to stretch. It risks rejection in order to know the rush of being honest. It risks being wrong to see what might be right. So the mantra is, I embrace the mess my heart makes. And the journey to that is it chooses to love, it chooses to feel, it chooses to wander far beyond the balance of what seems like a logical decision. It risks being broken in order to stretch. It risks rejection in order to know the rush of being honest. It risks being wrong to see what might be right. What a beautiful poem. That's a poem for us today. Lesley Logan 7:55  All right, loves, Happy Friday. Send your wins in. I want to celebrate you. All right. Send them in just, to the Be It Pod, DM me, whatever. Let me know I can use it. I want to celebrate your win so you can hear them back and be reminded of the things that you're doing that are so great. Have an amazing day and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 8:13  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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Making time for creativity and personal passions can feel impossible amid life's demands, but it doesn't have to be. In this episode, Lesley and Brad reflect on key insights from their conversation with Kristen McGuiness, including how she protects her creative energy while balancing work and family. Tune in for actionable tips on reclaiming your time and honoring your dreams.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How to establish and enforce boundaries that protect your personal goals.Why honoring your intuition leads to better decision-making and less regret.The value of intentional time for creativity and deep work.How to overcome guilt around prioritizing your personal passions.Why waiting for life to slow down before pursuing your dreams is a mistake.Episode References/Links:Cambodia October 2025 Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comOPC Spring Pilates Training - https://opc.me/eventsPilates Studio Growth Accelerator - https://prfit.biz/acceleratorPilates Flashcards - https://opc.me/flashcardsRise Literary Website - https://riseliterary.comRise Literary Instagram - https://instagram.com/riseliteraryKristen McGuiness Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/kristenmcguiness If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS!Check out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSoxBe in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates MentorshipFREE Ditching Busy Webinar Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable Pilates Follow Us on Social Media:InstagramThe Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channelFacebookLinkedInThe OPC YouTube Channel Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  Even if we call it a boundary, just so you know, you also don't have to explain why your boundaries exist. Brad Crowell 0:04  You don't. Lesley Logan 0:04  And if you need help with that, the holistic psychologist constantly reminds you that you actually do not have to explain why a boundary is a boundary that is.Brad Crowell 0:12  It just is. Lesley Logan 0:13  It just is. Lesley Logan 0:14  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:57  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the groundbreaking convo I had with Kristen McGuiness in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause us now, go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us.Brad Crowell 1:12  No hard feelings. We'll still be here. Lesley Logan 1:14  She's a great. Brad Crowell 1:15  Oh yeah. Lesley Logan 1:16  I have actually shared her. Brad Crowell 1:18  Okay, so hold on. Did she write the book that you read, that you told me? Lesley Logan 1:22  Different book. But. Brad Crowell 1:23  Oh, really? Lesley Logan 1:23  Yes, I know. Brad Crowell 1:25  Okay, okay, okay. Lesley Logan 1:26  I know, yes, yeah, no, different book, but same topic. At any rate, it's in my TBRs still, Kristen, I'm so sorry.Brad Crowell 1:33  What's a TBR? Lesley Logan 1:34  To be read. Yeah, this is a TBR. There's no, you know, I anyways, it's, I'm really excited because I really, so, I have actually talked about her multiple times to multiple people, because this woman, when I interviewed her, she was on her monthly like, three days in a hotel to get her shit written, like to get things done. And I just love that this woman was okay. I'm not gonna get anything done. I'm not gonna even try. I'm just going to keep the wheels on the bus, and then every month, I get several days at a hotel uninterrupted. I'm like, I want, I don't even have kids, and I want that. Anyways, before we talk about that, let's talk about how it's March 20th 2025 and it's International Day of Happiness. If you're happy and you know it, celebrate it on International Day of Happiness on March 20th. Brad Crowell 2:21  I thought you were going to clap your hands. Right. Lesley Logan 2:24  Anyways, when I was a kid, my mom would always sing that all the time, so. Brad Crowell 2:27  That's so fun. Lesley Logan 2:28  Other than being in a neutral state, happy is how we should mostly be. Okay. Brad Crowell 2:35  Yeah. Don't fuck it up.Lesley Logan 2:36  Unfortunately, emotions, just feel like that's a lot of pressure. Unfortunately, emotions like anger and sadness are increasingly becoming a default way to be for a lot of us. So here's a day to cheer up and appreciate the good things and silver linings in life. So as you listen to Pharrell Williams's ‘Happy' on repeat, also take a minute this March 20th to consider what truly makes you happy, and how you can pursue it. Well, I can get down with that part of the holiday. Why don't you really take some time to journal what makes me happy, and how can I pursue that more? Brad Crowell 2:43  All right. Lesley Logan 2:54  That's the only part of the song you know. Because I'm happy.Brad Crowell 3:13  That's the best part of the song. Lesley Logan 3:23  Okay. Well, anyways. Brad Crowell 3:24  Good job. Nailing it. Lesley Logan 3:25  We are back from Pilates On Tour. We are home for a little bit, and we are in the middle of the Accessories Flashcard presale. And I promised Brad I was not going to talk about it, but he clearly is sneaking into the show notes. So I'm just going to say, if you know, you know. Brad Crowell 3:41  If you know, you know.Lesley Logan 3:42  And that's how it's gonna be. If you know, you know. Brad Crowell 3:45  And if you don't know, and you're like, what? Lesley Logan 3:46  Go listen to the other recap episode and get the link. But I'm.Brad Crowell 3:49  DM us. Lesley Logan 3:50  But I'm I want you to take or I want you to take action steps sooner. Okay, all right. So what's coming up next that you need to know about is our Spring Training. It is April 27th through May 3rd. It's going to be virtual. There'll be live events and there is replays. So don't worry about it if you are like, oh my God, it's the busiest week of my life, I promise you, you'll be able to attend the things on replay. You want to go to opc.me/events. Pretty soon, I'll tell you what the theme is going to be about this Spring Training. But all the OPC teachers and myself are teaching multiple classes over the week on different pieces of apparatus for different levels of bodies, so that every Pilates lover of any level can have access to moving with accountability, Q&A to get feedback on their form and potentially seeing what OPC is all about. Brad Crowell 4:37  What is it about? Lesley Logan 4:39  Opc.me/events plural to get on the waitlist, which means you get the discount. What's next, Brad? Brad Crowell 4:44  All right. All right. Pilates business owners. Calling all Pilates business owners, go to prfit.biz/accelerator for a free webinar where we're going to dig into the biggest three secrets that Lesley and I have learned after coaching 2500 businesses just like yours, whether you are teaching someone at home, whether you're renting space with someone, or whether you've got a big team in a brick and mortar studio, these three secrets all apply to you, and it's all about how do we make more money? How do we make our businesses actually profitable? And that's what we do at Profitable Pilates. So come join me. It is free, prfit.biz/accelerator. That is profit without the O dot biz slash accelerator. And then finally, what is the last note? Lesley Logan 5:28  Well, you guys have to come to Cambodia with us on a Pilates retreat. Brad Crowell 5:30  Obviously. Lesley Logan 5:31  And some breath work and some visualization and some tips and tools and workshops on how to actually make your life the way you want to live it. Plus you get to see incredible temples that are a thousand years old or older. Brad Crowell 5:43  Mind blowing. Lesley Logan 5:43  You get to go on a beautiful water cruise, and it is incredible because you actually get to see how a city can thrive on the water, and the community they work in.Brad Crowell 5:52  They literally live on boats. Lesley Logan 5:53  Yeah and the community they work in. And this is not some sort of like weird tourism thing. We actually get permission by a community to go into the water. You can see how the city is built. And you actually get to attend one of these amazing shops, where you get to see how women can work remotely, making beautiful pieces of things you can buy, and you can support the village in an incredible way. It's so fun. It's so relaxing. It's really nice, because after all the breath work you'll have done that day, you just go out and just be in peace and not taking in, like, overwhelming information. And then also, we go to a lotus farm, and you can just see how this one guy's company uses every single piece of a lotus flower to not only create beautiful things you want to buy, but also energy in remote places. It's quite amazing. Brad Crowell 6:40  It is astounding. Lesley Logan 6:40  It's astound, I mean, it's like, this, it's this guy's like, how can I, like, change the world? And he is doing it and we get to go show you that. So it's in October. You want to go to crowsnestretreats.com to snag your spot. If you're like, I'm gonna do the next one. We haven't planned it yet. Brad Crowell 6:53  We haven't planned it yet. Lesley Logan 6:55  And that is because this is your next time. This is the time.Brad Crowell 6:57  This is your next time.Lesley Logan 6:58  So come.Brad Crowell 6:59  Yeah. So join us at the end of this year, in October, looking forward to it. Lesley Logan 7:03  It's a great time. It's before all the chaos of the end of the year. So it's a really good time, because. Brad Crowell 7:07  It really is. Lesley Logan 7:08  You can reset before the chaos of the holidays, and then you'll have all these tools and things that we'll have done in the workshops and the Pilates to help set you up for 2026.Brad Crowell 7:17  Some breath work, some mindset. Go to crowsnestretreats.com crowsnestretreats.com. Okay, we have an audience question before we dig into this awesome conversation with Kristen McGuiness.Lesley Logan 7:28  That was August. That earthquake, you guys, if you're watching on YouTube, was her, it's earthquake August. Brad Crowell 7:33  Earthquake August. Okay, love_Danielle on IG asks, when will your flashcards be available again on Amazon and is there a discount code available?Lesley Logan 7:44  So the time this comes out, we should be back stocked on Amazon. We were selling out all of our OG Matt decks, and we had to completely sell out of that deck on Amazon before the new mat deck could come up. So that's now available on Amazon. Our Reformer Deck is our bestselling deck.Brad Crowell 8:02  It's hard to keep in stock, not a lot. Lesley Logan 8:04  It's hard to keep in stock. Brad Crowell 8:05  Thank you for supporting us. Lesley Logan 8:06  So thank you. We love that you love it. And at the time that you were asking this question, we did have some in stock on our website, but not on Amazon. So what we'll say is we should be stocked on Amazon. We do not have discount codes available for any of our decks, and it's mostly because actually, we're really a small business, guys, and these decks are really a lot of work to put together, and they actually cost a lot of money to print out. And so while we would love to just give the discounts around everywhere, we do have to make sure that they continue to pay for themselves. We continue hitting print on them. And so you can buy them on Amazon. You could also buy them from us, and if you buy them from us, we obviously can make more money to support more Pilates adventures that are out there. We do.Brad Crowell 8:47  We love Amazon, but they take a whole lot. We have a love-hate relationship with Amazon. Lesley Logan 8:51  At the moment, if you are the people trying to do your best to boycott places like Amazon and Target and things like that, we fully support you. And what you can do in your targeting of boycotts is be very intentional about who you're shopping from. So if you are going to shop on Amazon, shopping from people like us is a great thing. Small businesses, because it really does affect us in a positive way, Amazon allows people to find our products who don't know us, and so that's why we are there. It's not because we're like pro everything that they do, we actually need to be found. Brad Crowell 9:22  We intentionally sell on our website.Lesley Logan 9:24  Yeah. So if you buy from our website, it's better for all of us. And then the people that you're not enjoying and want, not wanting them to make money, don't. So you can buy from us, and then we get it all. Brad Crowell 9:33  Yeah. So go to opc.me/flashcards. Lesley Logan 9:36  So in case you're wondering why we're on there, if you don't own a business with products, you need to understand that the way the world works, we, unfortunately, as product based businesses, have to be where people already are. And so that exposes them to OPC, and then hopefully they come over to our side, and then they find all of our amazing stuff. But I don't judge any of the people who shop on there, because we do, too. It's convenient. So anyways, all this to say, yes, they're there. They should be back in stock, and you can also buy from us. Brad Crowell 10:07  Awesome. Well, stick around. We'll be right back, because we're going to talk with Kristen McGuiness, who is an author. And she talks about how does she escape the chaos of being an entrepreneur and being a mom to be able to write books. So, pretty cool stuff. Great conversation. She sounds amazing. Stick around. We'll be right back.Brad Crowell 10:27  Okay, now, let's talk about Kristen McGuiness. Kristen is a bestselling author, book publisher and a book coach with a deep passion for storytelling and empowering others to find their own voice. With years of experience, Kristen has helped countless others bring their ideas to life. Her own writing journey includes her novel, Live Through This, a compelling and thought-provoking exploration of resilience and activism. Beyond her professional accomplishments, Kristen is a mother, an entrepreneur who believes in creating space for creativity and living a life aligned with purpose. Lesley Logan 11:00  I mean, thank you Roxy Menzies, who introduced us. Because I just. Brad Crowell 11:04  I was wondering how the dots got connected there. Lesley Logan 11:06  Yeah, yeah. I really enjoyed this intro. I feel like, if we lived in Ohio, Santa Barbara, we would all be friends. We'd be, you know, doing life in the daytime, and then I would figure out when she's gonna be at that hotel, and I would get another room, and then we could have drinks at the end of the day, going, what did you fucking create? Like, this is what I dreamed of, Kristen. Anyways, I just think she'd be cool, but I also appreciated her vulnerability and honesty. I feel sometimes a lot of moms have to, like, show us all the hats that they can wear in a day. And Kristen was pretty honest about how, no. So she said, I think my creative fuel tank is the same place where I draw my maternal energy from. They are both creative forces. When I'm in my mom mode, I'm running off of that creative fuel in the same way I would be if I was writing or editing. But she highlighted the importance of taking time for herself, and she said, at the end of the day, I've got nothing left. I mean, I could do an Excel spreadsheet, but I'm not going to come with a masterpiece. And I actually, really love that. She is actually not putting pressure on herself to write something amazing. On the same day, she just ran a household, and I found that to be cool. Brad Crowell 11:06  It's amazing permission. Lesley Logan 11:06  Yeah, amazing permission. I do. I think that, well, it takes a lot because you're like, oh, but you got this thing that you want to write, this thing you want to do, and a creative is like, I've got to birth this thing. And I really think it's cool that she gives herself permission to be where she's at and do what she's doing, wherever that is. So if she's at the hotel writing her work or her masterpiece, she's not mom and the children. She and her partner have set things up so that she can do that. And I have a lot of girlfriends who have children, and I find even more together, they're not as present as I love them to be, because that boundary isn't there yet. And I think that what's so cool is Kristen gives herself permission to, I have a boundary for my work when I'm with my kids, and I have a boundary for my family when I'm doing this work. And I just think we all could take, even if you don't have kids, you could take permission for that. Go to, I want to go to a hotel this month just by myself.Brad Crowell 13:03  Me too. Lesley Logan 13:04  Well, maybe not march. This is a, this is a heck of a month, but April, I'm doing it in April.Brad Crowell 13:09  Okay, okay. I have a couple things. She said one thing that I thought was really interesting, she commented on being a grown ass woman still having to tell her parents that she's going to a conference when she just rented a fucking hotel room for herself because of the generational assumption of work hard, play hard. Okay, this was like a super side note. Nothing to do with writing, but I thought it was such an interesting observation. It made me think about it as I was listening to the interview. You know, she said her parents' generation is actually sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice until you get retired and then y'all can go, you know, take a long walk. The rest of my life is for me. I'm never doing anything for anybody ever again, as opposed to the way that she's doing her life, which I think is very generational, because I'm more associated with her. My parents very much are in the way that her parents are. But she's like how can I enjoy some of my life now and not have to wait till I'm 65 and retired to in quote-unquote, enjoy my life, and also this idea of just like 1,000% self sacrifice until that time, maybe there's a happy medium in there that I think we can have. So anyway, that is not what we had written down here for me to chat about today, but I just thought it was so powerful that I wanted to reiterate that. Lesley Logan 14:29  Also, just in case anyone feels guilty about a fib like that, that is, don't, sometimes people in our lives are just not going to understand why we do what we do. We don't need their permission. We don't actually need them to understand. So just tell them what they need to hear so you can go do the thing you want to do. Brad Crowell 14:47  Well, actually, instead of encouraging people to lie, that's not what we're encouraging here, what I think is a better through line is it's another boundary. She created a boundary between, you know, she heard her mom for this specific experience, so that she doesn't have to go through this emotional roller coaster and then justify all the thing and the expense and the la, la, la, you know, and then be judged. And you know, all that.Lesley Logan 14:48  When you also speak, even if we call it boundary, just so you know, you also don't have to explain why your boundaries exist. Brad Crowell 15:20  You don't. Lesley Logan 15:20  And if you need help with that, the holistic psychologist constantly reminds you that you actually do not have to explain why a boundary is a boundary that. Brad Crowell 15:28  It just is. Lesley Logan 15:28  It just is. Brad Crowell 15:29  Yep, that being said, she was talking about control, right? And she said hey, we clearly can't control things around us. The only thing that we can control are the choices that we make when the things around us are happening. What she was talking about was she's an entrepreneur. Her husband is an entrepreneur. They run different businesses. They also have children. And she's a writer. She said she was reflecting on finding agency in the midst of chaos. And, you know, obviously the most glaring example would be COVID. Like you already mentioned, you could set everything up, but then kablam COVID comes around. She said you need to flip the way you're looking at it, instead of like this shit is happening to me. She said you get to create your own pathway through whatever it is that you're navigating, and that's an opportunity that you have more control over, instead of it's happening to me. So she acknowledged life's unpredictability and emphasized it's just this thing of at a certain point you didn't hit that first domino, and you just have to sometimes be okay, we're in the pressure cooker right now, but relief is always on the way, right? And she shared she had a mantra. I actually thought it was great, because she clearly knows our audience. She said, I'm gonna write my way through this chaos. I'm gonna write my way through it because she's a writer. She said, maybe for you guys, you're gonna have to Pilates your way through the chaos. You know what I mean, wherever is your safe zone.Lesley Logan 16:51  I agree, whether you write or do Pilates, there has to be something that you're doing for yourself to process what you're going through. When I found out that Jay had passed away, it was on a Tuesday, and I still showed up for my session on Wednesday. And it's because moving through the grief made it actually easier to grieve. Or when there's a lot going on, you might just want to, like, keep watching the news and just watch them repeat that shit over and over again to keep you there until the next ad break. Or you can go move your body and get CliffsNotes later, because we have to, or you can go write, or you can go journal, or whatever it is, we have to have some way of processing what we're going through so that we can go back to the beginning, whatever the next step is, and keep going. I find that in today's chaos, a lot of people are waiting for things to be better before they take the first next step, and sometimes you just have to take it. So, you can use whatever that creative energy is to use that to go through whatever is going on.Brad Crowell 16:51  Yeah, well, listen, stick around. We'll be right back, because we're going to dig into some really juicy be it action items that we had. Lesley Logan 17:07  It's such a good, such a robust episode.Brad Crowell 17:58  With Kristen McGuiness. We'll be right back. Brad Crowell 18:01  Welcome back. All right, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Kristen McGuiness? She said if I care about my creative careers, whatever that thing is that I love to do or that you love to do, you've got to create a boundary around it and hold that sacred, okay? So this is, again, the through line here of today's episode is boundaries. She shared that if you truly care about something, whether it is a creative project, a personal passion, personal passion, or even self-care, you must be intentional about carving out time to do it. Right? There's no question about it. Setting clear boundaries allows you to dedicate energy towards what it is that actually fulfills you, even when life gets demanding. And I think that's the hardest part. She said it's about creating those pockets of freedom, the pockets of concentration and the pockets of creativity. So we've got the POFs.Lesley Logan 18:58  The POFs, POC and POC again. Brad Crowell 19:01  Yeah, POF. We'll call them POFs, Pockets Of Freedom. And I think that's another argument for taking time to the hotel like she did. Lesley Logan 19:09  Those all fall under gemstone time. Brad Crowell 19:12  That's right. Lesley Logan 19:13  So, if you come on my retreat, or you've ever heard me talk about how to create an ideal schedule, your gemstone time is time you have to protect. Brad Crowell 19:21  Gotta protect it. Lesley Logan 19:21  And it is the time where you do things that you need to concentrate and be creative on. So, you know, the things that can propel your life and your dreams forward.Brad Crowell 19:30  Yeah, actually moving things forward. So, what about you? Lesley Logan 19:33  Never lose sight of your dreams no matter what. She said this and I think one of the authors that Oprah quoteed was Gertrude Lyons who said, "The only times I've ever made mistakes in life is when I've chosen to ignore that voice." So that voice being your intuition, the thing that you want to do. And I think that's so true. I think we can all look back and look at things we regret, and it's like, oh, I didn't turn left when I knew I should have, I turned right or I should have done this. And she said, as long as you're listening to the small, quiet voice inside you, you will lways end up where you need to go. And this is actually just one of the truest things. I mean, just like us sitting here in this house, this was like a small voice going kitchen both now, think you should go now, think, you know what I mean, and not letting all the things. Brad Crowell 20:13  I think you should go now. I think you should go now. Lesley Logan 20:19  What if we made a meditation, which is like, I think you should go now. Brad Crowell 20:22  Today is the day that you should go.Lesley Logan 20:29  Create a boundary. Brad Crowell 20:31  Going is what today is for. Lesley Logan 20:34  Boundaries are kind.Lesley Logan 20:36  Anyways, I hope that you take some time to listen to Kristen's episode a couple of times. And really, ladies, especially my ladies, I know there's a few good men who listen, but ladies, I hope you realize this person, she's not perfect. She's not claiming to be perfect. She is really, truly honoring what is possible and when it's possible, and making sure that she doesn't ever stop focusing on what her dreams are, even if it means they're in pockets of freedom and pockets of concentration. So. Brad Crowell 21:01  Tell us about your POFs. Lesley Logan 21:02  We want to know. Brad Crowell 21:03  Yeah. Lesley Logan 21:04  Yeah. I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 21:05  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 21:06  Thank you so much for listening to this episode, and every episode you listen. This is episode 500. Brad Crowell 21:10  Five hundo.Lesley Logan 21:11  Cue the balloons. Nope. You don't have it on your thing. I would. I just, if you're, okay, well, if you, I think you did, it's okay. It's beyond. It's past now. 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Lesley Logan speaks with author and publisher Kristen McGuiness about balancing motherhood, entrepreneurship, and creative pursuits. Kristen shares her journey in publishing, how she makes time for writing, and the inspiration behind her novel Live Through This. She also discusses activism, navigating personal challenges, and the importance of following your inner voice.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How Kristen transitioned from editor to author while working in the publishing industry.The realities of balancing motherhood and a creative career.Why creating boundaries around personal time is essential for productivity.The inspiration behind Live Through This and its connection to real-world issues.Different forms of activism and how storytelling can drive change.The importance of trusting your intuition and taking action despite uncertainty.Episode References/Links:Rise Literary Website - https://riseliterary.comRise Literary Instagram - https://instagram.com/riseliteraryKristen McGuiness Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/kristenmcguiness/Guest Bio:Kristen McGuiness is the bestselling author of 51/50: The Magical Adventures of a Single Life, which was optioned by Original Films/CBS Cable with Alison Brie attached to star, and her new novel, Live Through This, which was released from Rise Books on October 10, 2023. She has over twenty years' experience in book publishing, as an author, editor, and book publisher, with such houses as St. Martin's Press, Simon & Schuster, and Harper Collins. Kristen is the publisher of Rise Books, launching in 2023, which publishes fiction, non-fiction, and poetry of radical inspiration, and also runs the book coaching company, Rise Writers, which provides book coaching and management for emerging and established authors. Kristen has appeared on the “TODAY Show,” in USA Today, and in Marie Claire, and has written for numerous publications, including Rolling Stone, Marie Claire, Shondaland, Huffington Post, Scary Mommy, Psychology Today, Salon, and The Fix. She lives in Ojai, CA with her husband, two children, and a dog named Peter. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS!Check out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSoxBe in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates MentorshipFREE Ditching Busy Webinar Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable Pilates Follow Us on Social Media:InstagramThe Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channelFacebookLinkedInThe OPC YouTube Channel Episode Transcript:Kristen McGuiness 0:00  I'm a mom who prioritizes being a mom, but I also don't want to lose myself in that activity, and I don't think that is healthy for my children either.Lesley Logan 0:10  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Be It babe, oh my gosh. Okay, I felt like I just met a dear friend who I've never known. But it's kind of shocking how we didn't know each other before, because I felt like our paths would have crossed. She's an author, she's a publisher, she's a mom, she's an honest, vulnerable human being who I think is going to inspire the heck out of you to lean into who you are and how you do things. And I just really, truly love this conversation. We are going to talk a lot about how Kristen McGuiness got into books, what her world is in books, how she does it and writes especially with kiddos. You're gonna hear some great ideas I hope you use. I love her quotes at the end. I will just say that we do get into talking a little bit about mass shootings and school shootings because of her fiction book. So just protect your heart if that is something raw for you in this moment. But I hope you listen, because I actually can't wait to read her book, and so I'm gonna read it before I do the recap, because it just sounds really cool, and I'm really inspired in this moment. And so I'm saying this after I interviewed her, so I know that you'll be inspired as soon as you're done listening to this. So here is Kristen McGuiness. All right, Be It babe. This is going to be fabulous. I already know it. I just met Kristen McGuiness a minute ago, but I can tell by who she is and what she's been up to that you are going to love this person, because, like you, they wear many hats. So Kristen, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?Kristen McGuiness 2:11  Absolutely and thank you for having me on I'm so glad we were finally able to do this. And it always ends up being perfect timing when you get to do these things and the day and moment you get to do them, when it, you know, made sense at the other time. But, yeah, I'm Kristen McGuiness and I'm a book lady. I mean, I think that's the or a book bitch, depending on the moment. But I've been doing books my whole life, you know, since I was a kid, I always say they're my first addiction. I ended up gathering more than that, less healthy addictions, but I started with books. And just, you know, the places and imagination that we get to escape to when we're reading. And it's no wonder that that became my profession. I continued to love books, you know, try to write books. I ended up starting my career in book publishing at St. Martin's Press and Simon & Schuster and then later Harper Collins. I worked as a book scout in Hollywood for a brief bit, like reading books to develop into movies for Warner Brothers. And then I became a book publisher and a book coach and a bestselling author myself. So it's just, it's all books all the time. That's what I do, and a big and amazing part of that has been helping other people write their books. Lesley Logan 3:21  Okay. That is so fun. That's so cool. I imagine you as like a girl, little girl, like reading all the time, and then you get to just read all the time. Like, how fun is that? Okay. I think where I'd want to start is, it sounds like you were in books, but then you wrote a book. So what was it like to go from reading other people's work and, like, not picking it apart but going, oh, this would be great for this, or this is great for this, and then to writing your own? Was it an easy transition? Were you nervous? Were you excited? Like, what was going on?Kristen McGuiness 3:49  You know, there's some editors that are happy to be editors, and they know that's like, what they love to do. I was always an editor who wanted to be a writer, and so that's just a different dynamic. And I still love editing. I mean, I can simultaneously be editing a book and writing a book at the same time and enjoy both processes. And I mean, honestly, sometimes the editing is more fun because, you know, the stakes aren't as high, right? Like, and it's not on me. I mean, it's on me to help it be good, but I'm not the source of the goodness. Whereas when you were the author, it's really hard to be like, I'm a shitty editor. It's really easy to be like, I'm a shitty writer. So I really enjoy getting to do both. But I was definitely always someone who wanted to do both. I mean, I ended up leaving book publishing, and that's how I wrote my first book. I went into the world of nonprofits, and that became like a secondary career to books during a period of my life just because I moved out to California and there was no, I mean, now there's more opportunities in that field, but at that time, there was, like, no book publishing in Southern California, and I preferred I wanted the weather. So I chose weather over books.Lesley Logan 4:55  Wow, you really wanted the weather.Kristen McGuiness 4:59  I do. I really like the sun. Lesley Logan 5:00  Oh my God. Well, and you have some sun going on you. And also, I understand that, as someone who's California born and raised, I can visit a city, and I'm like, I could do two weeks in this weather, but I gotta go back.Kristen McGuiness 5:12  Yeah, no, I very romantically lived in Paris for one year, and my friends all joke about, like, how much Kristen hates Paris. And I'm like, I don't hate Paris. It was just that it was gray every day, and I ended up with seasonal affective disorder. Like it wasn't, I mean, it was like nothing I could control. I was just horrifically depressed and wanted to throw myself into the sun every day. But I'm like, it really wasn't Paris's fault. I just need sunshine. Lesley Logan 5:36  It's just like the location of Paris is just not ideal.Kristen McGuiness 5:41  If I could pick it up and move it somewhere else, that'd be fantastic. So I, you know, I ended up moving out to California and ended up in nonprofits, and that's when I did write my first book. And I think I did have to remove myself from the book publishing industry in order to write a book. And I don't think that's true anymore. I'm doing both very simultaneously right now, but in that period of my life, I did so that I could just really have that fuel tank of creative energy just for me. Lesley Logan 6:10  Yeah, yeah. I understand that. I I think, like even just to not have distractions or especially with something new, even though books weren't new to you, but writing your own is a new thing. You kind of have to, like, kind of immerse yourself so you can really get into it. You know, I know your mom, and I think having all of these hats and then having kids, I know, like, for our listeners, there's always people going, how do they balance it? And I don't have children. So when I say, I don't think balance is real. People nod, but don't really listen to me, because like, but I don't I think that there's a blend. And I think that, you know, my yoga teacher says balance is the art of not falling, and that just means that you're kind of tilting over here, and then you're tilting over here and you're trying not to fall either way. And that resonates with me. But can we talk a little about what it's like to be curating this amazing career that you have, you know, being in books, of writing books and being a publisher and doing that while, you know, parenting and bringing kids into this world. What was it like? Kristen McGuiness 7:06  Well, that's why I'm in a hotel room right now. So, you were like, so how do you, I'm like, I literally go to a hotel room two nights a month. That's what I do. And I joke, again, I'm a former addict, so it's like a drug vendor. I'm like a Hunter Biden, but with books. So I just, like, pull myself up in a hotel room for like, 48 hours, and I just write like a wild Banshee with caffeine and Red Bull. I mean, I find, though, whatever that looks like for people, I do think it's about creating the pockets of freedom and the pockets of concentration and the pockets of creativity, because, I mean, I'm also just somebody, like, I always eat one thing at a time. I'm not good at, like, fully integrating. So I can't be in the middle of parenting and then be like, give me five kids. I'm gonna go edit a book. My brain doesn't work that way. And I do think, speaking of the creative fuel tank, I think, at least for me, my creative fuel tank is the same place where I draw my maternal energy from, not surprisingly, because they're both creative forces. And so when I'm in my mom mode and I'm really with my kids, I am running off that creative fuel in the same way I would be if I was writing or editing. So I think it is really hard to be a creative and a mom, because if I've been momming all day long, like I, at the end of the day, I've got nothing left. I mean, I could, like, do an Excel spreadsheet. I can put the dishes in the dishwasher, but I'm not going to come up with a masterpiece. And so I've really learned how to pull this time out. Hence, I mean, I wrote a screenplay in the last 12 hours, that's what I have done here today. So I came here yesterday at 3pm and I was like, we're writing a screenplay before I got that podcast tomorrow, and I literally finished it right before we began. But that's how I've learned to like, if I'm if I care about my creative career, which is not even a career that pays my bills. I mean, that's still, you know? I mean, it's still, like a speculative career, if I care about that, whatever that thing is that you love to do, like, I've got to really create a boundary for myself to make that something that I hold sacred.Lesley Logan 9:14  I am obsessed with this. I love this so much. I really do. I, first of all, my friends make fun of me because I'm like, oh, you're going there. This is my favorite hotel. Because I love a hotel. I find I get so much done. I wasn't even in a hotel on Monday, but I was at a friend's house, it kind of felt like a hotel. And I was like, oh, I got all my work done in three hours. Okay. And I was like, that is so funny, because when you're at home, there's so many distractions. Like, before we're on this podcast, we have an older dog. By the time this episode comes out, it's probably passed at this point, but, you know, it's hard. It's how you're like, oh, okay, so we're gonna be late on that call because I got this thing, and then I gotta do some laundry. And you just can't be that creative person. You have to kind of remove yourself. But I also just love that you highlight, like, I have pockets of this, and I think protecting those pockets, like a pocket of this type of thing I'm going to focus on this here. It allows you to kind of show up and be their best version of yourself in that moment, and not kind of stress about all the things you thought you'd fill in those two hours. Kristen McGuiness 10:08  Yeah, yeah, I've learned. I mean, I've, I mean, look, I think most moms struggle with self sacrifice because motherhood really demands it. I mean, it is hard you constantly or be laboring like, how do I, I don't want to put myself ahead of my kids. I mean, I want to, you know, I mean, they are in and I have young children. I have a five year old and a nine year old. I mean, the nine year is obviously more independent, but they're still school-aged children. I don't have teenagers at home, and so there is a lot of caregiving, physical, emotional, psychological that is taking place. And I want to prioritize that I am a mom who prioritizes being a mom, but I also don't want to lose myself in that activity, and I don't think that is healthy for my children either. And when I do lose myself, that's when I am my worst mom, that's when I'm angry, that's when I'm quick to temper. It's when I don't feel like I'm getting to take care of me. And so I've just really learned that, you know, I come, you know, my mom's, like, a boomer, we're actually in a fight right now, so it's really interesting. And we're, and it's a fight about exactly these things like these intergenerational dynamics of like, I have to, like, still lie to my parents and tell them that I'm here doing a business meeting. Because they'd be like, why are you spending money on a hotel to work on a screenplay that you're not getting paid to do? And I'm like, because I will go insane, otherwise, it is so valuable for me to stay sane and creative and whole and human. My mom came from a generation, although she's incredibly makes very selfish choices now, like it was all about, like, you sacrifice all the way up until retirement, and then you just get to be selfish every minute of the day. And I'm like, that doesn't look I mean, I think we've seen by the gross impacts of your generation's choices, that probably wasn't a good idea. But also I don't think that makes it like a well-lived life. I want to feel like I'm getting to show up for others and getting to show up for me in some level of consistency. And I absolutely agree, like balance is just not falling down. And also, sometimes I think balance is falling down because that's also part of it. You're like, oh, fuck. You know, like, I'm off. But I do think creating that integration between we take care of others, but we still take care of ourselves and our dreams and who we are, and not losing that identity that exists before, during and long after our children are grown.Lesley Logan 12:22  Yeah, and also, I just think it's really cool for your young kids to see that you do protect the things that you love. You protect your time with them, but also they're seeing you go and protect the time for who, like, whether or not you get paid for the screenplay. Like, it's not about that, because the screenplay could lead to something else, into something else, but, like, it makes you feel whole, and it makes you feel alive, just as much as parenting would, but it's a different part of you. And so I think it's cool they get to see that, because then they get to, when they get older, know that there's an option for them, you know, like, there's, there's possibilities, and there's ways they get to see it an example. Kristen McGuiness 12:57  Yeah, no, I, and I think it's really about like showing. It's, I mean, again, I've just written, like, literally, I'm just coming off of writing the screenplay, and there's a whole like, scene in the screenplay where one of the characters say, we can't control what happens around us, right? The only thing we can control are the choices we make in that, you know? I mean, I'm an entrepreneur. My husband is also an entrepreneur, which is just, I mean, the level of insanity that that brings, and especially in the last couple of years where, like, the global economics have been far out of our control, so we've been terribly impacted by sort of the larger financial environment. And I'm like, but you know what? We get to make choices within that. And that doesn't mean that all of them are happy, some of them are hard. But just to feel like I have no choice, and that this, well, this is just the way it is, right? And it's like, no, I mean, we get to create our own pathway through whatever we're navigating. To me, you know, I always say to myself, it's like my little mantra, like, I'm going to write my way through this, whatever is going on, I'm going to write my way through this. And that's just, you know, for others might be, I'm going to Pilates my way through this, right? Like, whatever the thing is that's your source of healing. And also the thing that helps you to understand how and why life happens. That's what you have to tap into. And without that, I mean, then I think you are just on the floor, right? Then you can't even, then there's no balance, because you can't even, like, you don't even have a foundation underneath you.Lesley Logan 14:16  Yeah, yeah, it's so true. There's a million things that go on in a day. I was just recording the podcast drops that we call FYFs, Fuck Yeah Friday, and it's just a short episode where I share listeners wins, and I share one of mine. And I was like, there's 17 things that have gone wrong today, like 17, and they're all out of the control. None of them were things like, I knocked the first domino forward on that. So you have to just go, okay, what are those do I need to deal with? Can I just put that over here? Or what can I do? What is possible in this moment for me to handle so that I can keep moving the ball forward? Because, like you, my husband and I are both entrepreneurs. We work together, which is this own level of insanity. Kristen McGuiness 14:53  I love you both. Lesley Logan 14:55  I know everyone's like, so how do you do it? And I was like, I'm just gonna tell you right now. We're still figuring that out, and I think communication is really key, and sometimes we suck at it, but you try and you just go, okay, didn't handle that so good. Next time, I'll handle that better. But I think it's really there's honesty about it, and I love that you said you write your way through it. Some people will Pilates their way through it, or journal their way through it, or take a long bathrobe. But like, you, there's got to be a process for which you reflect and learn and integrate what's going on in your life.Kristen McGuiness 15:26  No, absolutely, and yeah, again. God bless you for being an entrepreneur with your husband. I try to, sometimes I have to help my husband with his business, and I'm like, I would quit this job in like five minutes, but he owns a restaurant, which is, like, I think the worst business you could open, honestly, I'm like, oh my God, every time I go to eat now at a restaurant, I have so much grace and gratitude for what happens. Our pediatrician once said, no one knows how expensive the cheat meal is. And I was like, so true. Like, you have no idea what people do to sell you food in a restaurant.Lesley Logan 16:01  Oh, you're, bless your husband and all the restaurateurs out there, but that's, I don't like the margins, but I would say books are very similar. So I feel.Kristen McGuiness 16:11  You realize that, thank you. We kind of realized that a little late. We're working our way through that. We did not know that. We thought, we knew that books were a slim profit margin. We naively thought the restaurant business wasn't. Then we discovered both were at the same time. We were like, you know, there's a great Macklemore song where he says, if I had done it for the money, I would have been a fucking lawyer. And I'm like, that's like, my bumper sticker I got in the back of my car. We're truly here for love and fun, and the belief in, apparently, pizza and books, but pizza is important. I will never deny that. But, yeah, no. I mean, we have learned. I mean, we are in a very high stress, double entrepreneurial situation, and also have an aging dog, and we are also in the end zone of what's to come on that. And it's just, it's so brutal, and yes, and it's the same thing where, like, there are days where we do not do it well, certainly. And then, like, recently, I've just, you know, been realizing that there is so much about this that you have to take your hands off the wheel, you know. And I've joked, like, I know, if you have seen the other the little gif at some point, I think everybody has. It's like, the end of Thelma and Louise. We're like, Thelma and Louise grab hands, and then the car flies off the Grand Canyon and like a hubcap falls off. And I've been using that gift is like, I just send it to everybody I work with, because I'm like, this is my business strategy. And last night, when my friends was like, you can't tell people that. And I was like, no, but it is because there is something about living your dreams that is just like a hope, a prayer and floor the fucking car, and, like, off you go, and you got to know that you're going to land. It might be a terrifying drop, but you're going to land. I mean, obviously, hopefully not in fire and death, but that's not going to happen, right? Like, no business ends like that. And so it is just this thing of, like, at a certain point you can work really hard, you can do all the strategies, right? But like, ultimately you didn't hit the first domino. And you just have to sometimes be like, Mercury is in retrograde, and we're just gonna wait until August 28 rolls around. Everything goes direct, or whatever it is, the thing that you know is, like, this is just, we're in the pressure cooker right now, but like, relief is always on the way. Lesley Logan 18:22  Oh, my God, this retrograde? We are feeling in every possible way of tech. I'm like, Okay, well, okay, we'll just redo that. We're like, I have a astrologist that I listen to who's always like, if it's put an argument in front of it, and that's the best thing, refine, reorganize, read, we're redoing. We're just gonna but I agree, you do have to take the action. You do have to put the pedal to the metal, but then you also have to, like, release and go, you know, it's gonna end somewhere. And some of the best things that ever happened in my business were the ones that felt that kind of happened for me, or to me or without, without the control, and I just have, it's not the right place at the right time, because I did the work to get there. But also, couldn't have happened without some just like magical or universal or divine appointment that happened along the way. And then you just have to ride that. You just have to enjoy that. And I also think it is crazy that I work with my husband. I also am so grateful because it's really fun to work with him. And I don't know that a lot of people can put up with my creative energy. There's not a lot of people who would be like, we love that idea. Lesley, we're gonna put that over here. You know, like a partner can go, yeah, later, until later. It's really refreshing and also just really nice to hear like, you know, you don't have everything figured out. Not everything happens the exact way it's supposed to. You didn't just turn a light switch on, and things worked. So thank you for sharing that. I want to get into, like, your latest book, is it Live Through This, and I just, can you tell us maybe, like, what was the drive like, why did you have to, like, why was it something you wanted to, like, get out of you, and what are you hoping that people get from it? Kristen McGuiness 19:52  Absolutely, yeah. I mean, I really lived through this. That nine-year-old was, at the time, only one years old. So it was in 2016, and it is not a spoiler alert, because it happens in chapter two. There's actually a mass shooting that sort of is the impetus for the whole story that kind of explodes across the rest of the pages, quite literally. And I was really moved to write it because, I mean, obviously we are a nation that deals with mass shootings all the time, but as we know, it's almost like a season, like there are these moments where it just feels like it's every day, you know, you're just like, oh my God, another one. Oh my God, another one. And 2016 felt that way. There were a lot of them, sort of back to back, and they had actually happened in places where I knew or was just felt like really emotionally connected to, actually, the shooting that happened in Paris, the Bataclan attack in November of 2015 I think that was, was in the neighborhood where we used to live in Paris. Someone was actually shot on our street corner. And then there was a shooting in San Bernardino at the regional center, which was 40 minutes from where I was working at that time at a nonprofit, also in a government building. So we began to get trained in our offices about what to do in the event of a mass shooting. And then the night of the Paul shooting was really the impetus where I was just like, oh my God, enough. My husband and I were about to go to a live concert a couple weeks after that shooting, and I began to get really scared. And I'm just not somebody who has, like, I have no agoraphobia. I'll go anywhere. I don't have a lot of just those kinds of fears. Or I'm really adventurous. I love to be out and about. And it was like a band we love and personally know, and a really fun night. And I actually began to get scared to go. And so it sort of led to this, you know, as a lot of books I think come out, oh, it was like, what would happen if, right? And I was like, what would happen if there was a shooting that night? And out of that began this story. And so it is about a shooting at a nightclub and a concert, and the main character loses her spouse, which, again, it happens in chapter two. So it, you know, it's kind of silly to hide it. And she begins to navigate what happens, not just after you lose someone, but also what happens after you go sort of like accidentally viral and suddenly and I started writing this long before Parkland, but it is the Parkland journey of what happened with a lot of those kids who've experienced significant trauma, not just from the event, but from the activism afterwards, because obviously they wanted to be part of activism, but the, and in the same with the Sandy Hook families and everything that happened with Alex Jones is that they're just dragged through the mud, and it's just so horrible what happens to them, and death threats, and, you know, it's like it was bad enough they went through the shooting, but now they have to go through this. And so she's navigating all of that, but it's 2016, it's on the eve of what ended up being a really shocking election that has dictated the last eight years of our lives. My God. oh my God, please let it end. And so this character isn't just deciding, hey, am I going to be an activist about what just happened to me? But also the story kind of stands on the pinnacle of art, what became our modern times. You know, how am I going to show up in this world as a person? And it's also about, really, her finding her voice, and she's coming out of a very complicated and hard marriage, and she grieves them, and she also has relief from what was a hard marriage. And so it's also about that, you know, I, I had that experience when my own father died, when my husband is completely alive and taking care of our kids, but, but when my father died, I really, you know, I really depicted it more about that relationship, because I had a very complicated relationship with my father, and when he passed away, I had a therapist who said to me, you know, you can have any reaction you want to this, and that includes relief, and it was such a freeing thing, because, you know, it's always like when someone dies, we're supposed to be sad. And it wasn't that I wasn't sad, but also I didn't have the complexity and the trauma of that relationship in my life. And so she's navigating that she has a young child, so she's also navigating being a single mom and all these different pieces. So it's interesting because it's set, now, it's almost like historical fiction, right? Oh, those sweet and gentle times of 2016 the days of yore, so, but it is also a lot about marriage and parenthood and sacrificing your dreams to show up and be a stable you know, I'm going to take care of the family and I'm going to do what I need to do, and she's in a nine-to-five job, and she sacrificed her dreams to just try to be like a normal person, only to discover that there's no such thing as normal, especially in modern America. And so we called it like a modern, suburban Western, because it is about that, and she has to become her own version of a gunslinger in the end.Lesley Logan 24:28  I do love that it's now historical fiction, because I too long for those days sometimes my husband and I sometimes I'm like, I just want to not know the house representative for, like, a state I've never been to. I just want to not know who that person is, but also like, how naive and how unique a time that was as well. Thank you for sharing the story. Now I feel like we need a Be It Till You See It book club, you guys, I want to hear all of your thoughts on reading it. I find fiction fascinating because I actually love it. I grew up on like Judy Blume, which is like fiction but not, you know what I mean. It's like, always based on something that happens, and then it's like, the story of it, your daughter, your it was your nine-year-old just one. Excuse me. Yeah, so with your, was there a part of you that was, like, writing it because also to be a parent of a time when, like, yeah, it's, I don't know how parents in their school, kids school, my mom's a school teacher. She's a first grade school teacher, and the thing she's telling me that she's have to prepare for, I'm like, you should not have a gun. I'm just gonna tell you right now, you know, I grew up with the earthquake drills. Now it's very different. And so was it partly just, it was even therapeutic, or just like, ways for you to kind of understand what you're going into as a parent at a time when this is such a scary thing going on?Kristen McGuiness 25:40  Yeah, no. I mean, that was definitely a driving force. I mean, it's a driving force every day, I think. I mean, especially now that I do have school aged children, and I mean, I make sure I kiss them every morning, just God forbid, I will not let them go to school without hugging them and kissing them. Because I remember one of the Parkland fathers, actually one of them who became quite active. I forget his name now, but he always said that the morning that his daughter left for school, they were really busy, and he didn't hug her and say goodbye, and he never knew he would never not see her again. And I just can't even fathom that pain, especially under the conditions that those murders take place. And so, yeah, I mean, I definitely wrote it for that. I mean, there's a as one of the my blurb authors, Gina Frangello, who's amazing, gave me this great blurb that's saying, like, it's a call to action, and the book really is. I mean, there's a moment in the book where the main character, I discovered, long after writing it, that there's actually a genre called autofiction, which is what I wrote. I just didn't know, you know, my own genre's name, until, like, six months ago, where it's like, it's totally my life, like anybody who reads the book, like, my husband's name is Terry, and my friends all call it the book where Terry dies and like, it freaks them out, because they're like, wait, he's still, he's still alive, like, I just saw him yesterday, but like, it's like the book where Terry dies, and I did. I mean, I did use our lives, because at the time, I had considered writing a memoir, but we're not that exciting of a couple. We don't drink, we don't smoke, we don't cheat on each other. I joke, it would just be like 100 pages of people arguing about finance and ADHD.Lesley Logan 27:08  There's, there's a, there's a group of people who would read that, you know?Kristen McGuiness 27:12  I mean, they still can, because they because the couple still argues about finance and ADHD in the book. But we just, we raised the stakes. They need a little more plot, a little more plot. So I gave it a lot of plot. But I mean, there's a scene in the book where the main character ends up having a meeting with the President of the time prior to Trump. And I didn't like, use Obama's name, but it's clearly him, because Obama would meet with people after those shootings, and she ends up with a one-on-one meeting, because she ends up kind of getting a little fame under her belt, and in that meeting, she flat out asked for an executive order banning assault weapons, because it's just and that's why, I mean, ultimately, I say like that is what? If you ask me what the book is about? Yeah, it's about marriage and single motherhood and mass shootings, but it's really about the need for, excuse me, an executive order banning assault weapons. One point, I'd actually worked on building a whole campaign around that, and an activism campaign, and then with everything that happened with the Biden administration, it didn't make sense. But I was just talking to one of my colleagues the other day, and I was like, look, if Trump makes it into office, we can just say goodbye, but if I'm like, truly, like, see you later, buddy.Lesley Logan 28:14  I know, especially after the most recent Supreme Court situation on that. I was like, What are we doing? Kristen McGuiness 28:18  I know. See on the flip side. Yeah, my husband and I like a boat, a boat sounds good. But if Kamala makes it into the office, there are some real changes that the Democrats have failed to make, multiple times over, with multiple opportunities, with control of the Senate, control of the House, and I would hope that she will take this enthusiasm and momentum, although obviously it will wane, because it is what it is. But I do think that people have returned to the fold in a way that's like, okay, let's just fucking do this. But once she, you know, presumably, gets to do it, she has to do something, because we just can't have somebody else show up again and not take control of the situation. Lesley Logan 28:59  Yeah, I love that. You said that what I'm thinking of is we live in a world where we do all have to be activists of some kind, but not every one of us is someone who wants to stand on a line and protest. That's not everyone's way of being an activist, but there are unique ways where we can be activating in people. And for some, you're barely keeping your head above water. And so your activism is telling your friends to vote, and you voting and doing the research, you know, like that could be your form of activism these days. Because, my goodness, if you don't know the US's voting records, or people are just don't do it. I've been to Australia. They're like, I don't understand. Like, we make it a holiday and everyone does it. It would be so weird to not do it. Kristen McGuiness 29:37  Well, it makes so much sense, wouldn't it? Lesley Logan 29:38  Yeah. And they're like, and you guys are just only this many people. I'm like, I don't really, I don't want to tell you. So for some of you, it might be an activating thing to go do that, but I love that you took this desire, this drive, this passion, and you put it in a form for people who want to have a really good read can be inspired by and also go, oh hold on, wait a minute. There are things that we can do, and there are things that can be done. And from our lips to their ears, my fucking goodness, if they do not hit the ground running, if they get what they need, like, I don't know what we're going to do. Want them to act with a little, just a little bit of urgency would be great, yeah, just that fucking tiny bit. And all this to say, the administration we have currently has done a lot with what they've had, but there was a two year mark where we could have just done a whole lot more, just saying, but I think like you're showing I hope that what everyone here is hearing this is like, you can have different ways of being an activist and different ways of inspiring people to think about what is possible and what can be done and keeping things in the forefront, because you're right, it goes in waves. That's not that we haven't had mass shootings. Unfortunately, they happen every day, and our media doesn't talk about it anymore. And then there'll be one, so then they'll talk about a few, and then they'll keep going, and then it becomes something else. And our media has talked about ADHD. They have a whole different acronym of what their attention span is. And so I appreciate your book, and I also appreciate this is a different way we can all figure out how we can take what we love and still use it to inspire others to take different actions. And I think that's really cool.Kristen McGuiness 31:14  Yeah. And I think, you know, going back sort of full circle on and, I mean, I think everybody has their the thing they used to get through life, right? Like I said, I write my way through this. So for me, my political activism, it makes sense for me to write it. That's the space in which I'm comfortable, you know. And everybody has their space in which they're comfortable. It's about to me, I think the most important thing is, as long as you keep paying attention, because the minute we stop paying attention, and that's the biggest thing too, is whatever way in which you can help other people to pay attention. You know, not just because you post on Instagram, although I don't not recognize how important that is, too. You know, the more that we are sharing information with each other, the more that we are talking, the more that we are activating each other into just awareness, hopefully, the better our world will be and the more we will demand the people in power to make certain decisions. And it does kind of go back into that idea, it's like, you know, we can, we can't control what the President does, but we can make choices every day to be part of that conversation in whatever way feels right and good and aligned with who we are. And so, you know, I've always been a political person, but I do believe that we all have our path through just navigating life and impacts those big systems have on all of us, no matter who we are.Lesley Logan 32:31  Yeah, you're so right. My husband, people wouldn't know, but his second hobby is like political podcast, the amount of research he does, and he's also the type of person who phone banks. So whenever they're like, are you volunteering? Like, only one person in the household can do it. Some of us have to keep the wheels on the bus right here. Kristen McGuiness 32:47  Like, phone banking's over here.Lesley Logan 32:48  He's phone banking, but he, I watch him all the time in his way of activating and activism, he's not afraid of a conversation with someone who disagrees. And he's like, oh, have you heard this podcast? And he'll just use a podcast episode that will explain to someone he's like, just think, just listen to it. There are ways of doing it. He's not on socials. Lucky him. You know. But like we each can have our way of being part of this society and making change. And it can be loud or it can be writing a book. It can be writing a play. It could also be how you teach a class. It can be the types of music that you're using to help and inspire people and have people ask questions. Or it can be like, Brad is like, oh, to our friend who had a flag up, we're like, it's interesting. I wouldn't have expected that from that person, and he just went with quiet curiosity and was like, oh, you should listen to this episode right here. And the guy did, that's where you make really big impact, is on those small relationships. It doesn't feel big in the moment, but it's big over time. And so you're just freaking cool. You're so cool, we're all gonna go read your book. What are you most excited about right now?Kristen McGuiness 33:50  I mean, I just wrote a screenplay in 12 hours, I'm very excited about that.Lesley Logan 33:55  Yeah. What did you guys do listening? She wrote a screenplay in 12 hours. I forgot my laundry in the wash machine. Kristen McGuiness 34:00  That's not what I do every day of my life, folks. So, by no means, there are a lot of days that are just laundry and lifting up a 80 pound dog who can't stand by himself. I take care of a lot of people, no, but I did get to do that. But the exciting part of that, the reason why I just cracked that out, is that Live Through This is actually going to a very big actress in the next week, and I wanted to have some sample writing to go with it. So that was the motivation to be like, I'm having dinner with the producer tonight. And I was like, I'm going to crack out that screenplay. She's a dear friend of mine. I'm going to give her a draft of it tonight, and hopefully next week we can turn around fast enough so that this book and this screenplay that I just wrote that is similar in that it's about, I mean, my poor husband has become a very unfortunate muse, but we just went on a two week trip to Greece that I said was like an odd DC and adventure. It was like, people like, how was your vacation? And I'm like, how do I respond to that? I'm far too honest to be like, it was fun. I'm like, it was not like two weeks laying around Hilton Head. It was a fucking life changing adventure, in good ways and bad. So I decided, you know what, I'm gonna write a screenplay about that experience, except for it includes, you know, talking cats and the goddess Artemis. And it's like, it's super funky and fun, and that's just what I did. And the beauty of it is that I am also a book publisher, and I'm a book coach. I have a book coaching company, Rise Writers, and a book publishing house, Rise Books. So, so much of my time when I am not parenting, I actually am not a writer. That's not what pays the bills, right? So I have this other really big creative job, but it's so much of my time and energy goes into other people's creative projects. So when I just finished that screenplay, I was like, who knows what's gonna happen with this crazy thing I just wrote. But the fact is, I got to just do that for me and the catharsis and excitement. I mean, I'll watch anything with a talking animal. So, I mean, I just figured if nobody else ever wants to see this movie, I'd watch it just for a talking cat named Gordon. Lesley Logan 35:57  Oh, don't you love a pet with, a pet with a human name. I screwed up. We named all of our animals like something important, and the next round is going to be like, Bob and Jonathan.Kristen McGuiness 36:09  My dog's name is Peter. It's actually like, it's so funny, because there are a lot of dogs with human names, but that wouldn't, for that reason. And he also looks like a human so he actually confuses people. When people look at my dog, they're like, oh Peter. And you see, there's a moment where they go, is that a person or a dog? Lesley Logan 36:26  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I understand. I understand. Oh my god. I adore you. I'm so excited to see where this goes. And I just so appreciate your vulnerability and honesty about how you do life, because I think that, for everyone listening, there's something to pick up there. We're gonna take a brief break, and then we're gonna find out how people can find you, follow you, read all of your goodness. All right, Kristen, tell us where people can read your amazing book, or find out if Gordon ever makes it on the big screen. Kristen McGuiness 36:51  Yeah, let's say if ever there was a cat who deserved the big screen. No, you can find me at Kristen McGinnis on Instagram or @RiseLiterary, but my website is riseliterary.com where you can learn more about me and the book publishing house, Rise Books, as well as all of our book coaching programs. If you are writing a book and are interested in finding out how you do that, we offer lots of ways to find your path to publishing, which is like our trademarkable motto. But also you can find Live Through This anywhere it's sold. It's distributed by Simon & Schuster. So we are everywhere, Barnes and Noble, Amazon, I guess I will flash the book, yeah. So wherever books are sold. So yeah, but otherwise, just come and check us out and hope to connect with some of y'all listening soon.Lesley Logan 37:40  All right, before I let you go, bold, executable, intrinsic, targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us?Kristen McGuiness 37:48  All right. This is, when I read the email beforehand. I was like, yikes.Lesley Logan 37:55  I know you know what though, you're brilliant. It'll, every like, it's gonna be brilliant, whatever you say, so don't be yikes.Kristen McGuiness 38:02  No. I mean, I think if I could just show the gift from the end of Thelma and Louise, that would be it. But, I mean, I do think it is it, you know. I mean, I think it's about never lose sight of the dream, no matter what, and no matter what gets in the way, you know, no matter what life shows up, no matter what children you have, no matter where your marriage goes, or whether you get married or not, or whether you have kids, no matter whether the dog passes away or you get a kitten, you know, no matter what comes there's this great I think it's an Emmy Lou Harris song that says all that you have is your soul. And I think that that's really true. We are always there underneath it all, and as long as we connect back into that, and I'll actually end on an Oprah quote, one of my authors put this in a book that she just, we're publishing in May, called Rewrite the Mother Code. I will also honor her, Dr Gertrude Lyons, she's writing it, and she puts this Oprah quote in there that said, I've learned, and I'm going to not say the quote perfectly, but like I've learned over time that there is always a small, quiet voice inside me that's leading me where I'm supposed to go. And the only times I've ever made mistakes in life is when I've chosen to ignore that voice. And I think that, to me, is the biggest step is like, as long as you're listening to the small, quiet voice inside you, you will always end up where you need to go, so you don't need to grip the wheels so tightly. Let go and get the gas and enjoy the view. Lesley Logan 39:30  Oh, Kristen, I'm obsessed. You're amazing. Y'all, how are you going to use these tips in your life? Let Kristen know. Let us know at the Be It Pod. Share this with a friend. Sometimes it's like the thing that someone needs to help them listen to that voice inside and, you know, write their way through it, or Pilates their way through it, or whatever it is, because we all have something we can do in this world. Thank you so much. And until next time everyone, Be It Till You See It. That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 40:37  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 40:42  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 40:47  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 40:54  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 40:57  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Transcribed by https://otter.aiSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

In this week's Fuck Yeah Friday, Lesley Logan celebrates wins—big and small—from the community and her own journey. Inspired by Reese Witherspoon's advice on confidence, she highlights the power of simply starting, rather than waiting to feel ready. She also shares community wins, including a successful holiday event, attracting the right clients, and making big business decisions. Plus, she opens up about her personal journey of letting go of pressure and embracing self-kindness.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:A community member's win in hosting a memorable holiday event.How simplifying processes helped attract new clients.Facing big transitions and trusting the next step.Letting go of pressure and embracing self-kindness.A powerful mantra to reconnect with your wild sideEpisode References/Links:Her Midlife Empowerment - https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCc6wU-IUy8 If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS!Check out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSoxBe in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates MentorshipFREE Ditching Busy Webinar Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable Pilates Follow Us on Social Media:InstagramThe Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channelFacebookLinkedInThe OPC YouTube Channel Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  It's Fuck Yeah Friday.Lesley Logan 0:01  Fuck yeah. Lesley Logan 0:02  Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:48  Hi, Be It babe. How are you happy? March 14th 2025. Whoa. This year is flying. I'm really excited that you're here. I'm excited you're listening. I love this episode of each week. It has a special place in my heart because I get to celebrate things that you did, and I get to give you some inspiration, and I get to give you a mantra, and it kind of just makes me feel like I get to be in your ears, supporting you, hopefully, support you, and remind you you're doing amazing things. You're doing a really good job. Lesley Logan 1:14  So, the person who inspired me on the internet, this is really cool. I came from Her Midlife Empowerment and it's a Reese Witherspoon video, so I'm sure she's just reusing it. But basically, Reese was asked how she has the courage and confidence to do a job and all that stuff and to know that they're confident in it. And Reese was basically like, you don't wait to have confidence that you can do it. You actually just need to have the confidence to start. Because when you start, yes, you'll make mistakes, but you'll get better at it, and the more you do it, the more confidence you'll get. So you don't have to have confidence that you're going to be a great nurse. You just have the confidence to start to be a nurse. You don't have to have the confidence to be an entrepreneur. You just have the confidence to start the business you think. We just have to get started. The courage to get started needs to be celebrated. And I really love this. I'll make sure the link is in the show notes. But I just really thought it was so brilliant because one of the reasons this podcast exists is everyone thinks you're so confident in everything you do, you're so, you're so good. I'm scared to death, but I have enough confidence and courage to start the thing and then trust that I'll get pulled along the journey, and as it's going I get better. For example, I don't even know what number this is when it comes out. When I started, I did not think I was confident as a podcast host, but I was definitely confident I could start to be a podcast host. And so the first episodes probably are a little bit weird. I'm still working on things out, but I've gotten so much better, and now I'm very confident in being on anyone's podcast, or having any guest on the show, like I'm very confident. Having my favorite guest on Episode 400 didn't scare me, because I was really ready for them, right? So thanks, Reese for that amazing reminder that we don't need to have the confidence to be something. We have to have the confidence to start to do the thing. Lesley Logan 2:55  So now, a win of yours. This one is from Stephanie Eder, also an eLevate grad and an agency member. I threw a kick ass holiday party charity drive for my clients this week. Music suites, table, photo booth with the Grinch appearing. I love that. Pilates, trivia prizes from local businesses and Korean beauty facials. I'm selling the product at my studio starting in January, so it gave me early exposure. So I don't think it would have been as good without the help of LL. We discussed the party on my quarterly call. She helped with the little details like the goodie bag and approaching businesses. She had the ideas of doing all the things, for-your-feet goodie bag, a branded rally towel, marbles, pencil and thick rubber band. She made sure I thought of all the elements to make it a success. So many thank yous for my clients and great event to create community. My husband was a trooper and jack of all trades helper last night, and made a comment that it was such a nice group of people. I really felt that last night, and felt very lucky to have all these people in my life. So Stephanie, it was so fun to plan your holiday party for your business with you. It's one of my favorite things to think about. I think it's still been fabulous, because I definitely didn't think about the Grinch with the photo booth. That's great. And you had to go and do all those things, right? So thank you for having the call and asking me that question so we could just brainstorm and dream up, because there's no bad idea in a brainstorm. And I'm so happy that they loved it so much. I mean, really, I wish I could be there. I wish I could have been there. I would have loved to have taken a picture of the Grinch, and I would love to meet everyone, but you attract amazing people. You really do. I have been able to meet them, and you really do. So I want to highlight these wins, because the win for Stephanie is the event of it all, as opposed to, sometimes we're like, okay, into the holiday party, then get me 17 other things. No, it's the actual, a party itself. You threw this party. Many people don't, or if they do, they half ass it, but you were intentional about it, and celebrating your intentionality is so worthwhile. It's so amazing. Lesley Logan 4:44  All right, I'm going to give you one more win from you guys today. It's from Mary Dellanina. Mary's went on retreats with us and on Agency, and she wrote, wins the past few months. So, great coaching call with Rachel Piper, who gave me the words to move on from my current studio. A new student stated that my onboarding process was the easiest he's worked with. I was the fifth Pilates studio who tried to get an appointment with they need LL. Yes, Mary, they do. My gosh. Also, let's just shout out. What a win. This guy kept trying different places, and you were number five. That's amazing. Number three, I've had two sessions, my first professional athlete, a professional baseball player. He's so easy to work with as each movement matters. He's loving how each movement is challenging him. He shows me how the movements work with him and how he has to bat, which is very fun and interesting. Fourth, my December is extremely busy. I'm happy about this. And I'm headed to bike in Chile, and then a hike in Patagonia in January. Oh my God. Fifth, this is my last quarter on my home studio. I'm afraid, excited and sad. I've lived in the same area for 37 years and grown this business for the past 10 years. But I know my move will be a win for my spirit. It really is going to be exciting, Mary. Number six, wishing you all a blessed holiday season and a 2025 that feels right for you. And number seven, I'll be hosting my first retreat, which people will travel to in 29 Palms California. I'm excited to be in the desert and share it with others. We absolutely love the Palm Springs area. It's so fun. We were there in January as well, Mary, and these wins are just beautiful. I love that you collected them, and I love that you have a variety and just got to see how all these different things you're doing, you're making big challenges, like changing a studio space can be so scary, and yet it served its purpose, and now it's time to go to another purpose, go to another space. You know, we've all, never want to overstay our welcome at a party, right? So thank you for sharing that. Lesley Logan 6:34  Okay, a win of mine. So my win is that I have been working really hard at giving myself permission that what I did was enough. And this is not easy, and I actually do not think that I'm great at this yet, but I don't like to drive at night like a thing, like I just really don't, and it really stresses me out. And I was feeling really overwhelmed by it, and I was feeling like I would let our household down if I didn't drive through the night. And I gave myself permission to check in with myself at the halfway point, not the halfway but almost half, more than halfway point. And then I could stay if I needed to, and sleep, and then I could go. And I know this sounds like oh, Lesley, don't drive if you're tired, but I wanted to be someone who could get all the way to where we're going, but I also felt pressure doing that. At any rate, this was my first challenge for myself for the year. I was driving our new-to-us car, used car, but a new-to-us car home from Tempe at night, and I did it, and I was so proud of myself, but also, when we got to our stopping point, I even allowed myself to go you can stay here if you want. What you've done is enough. And having a little self-talk, little self-chatter was really helpful. Having a little self-talk and a little self-chatter was really helpful, not only to get all the way home, but to realize I was doing a great job, and I actually was awake and I wasn't tired. And I share that with you, because I think we all have these conversations with ourselves, and we always when we wonder, like, did I do enough? Self-evaluating or judging, even today, something happened in my text messages, and I was like, oh my God, did I do the wrong thing? And then I was, hold on, I did all the things right. I don't know what's going on, but I can't control that, so I'm gonna let that go. It's a daily conversation. It's really annoying. My Be It loves, like, this daily conversation of talking to yourself about what's real, what are we making up? What is possible, what are we doing? But in doing that so far this year, like I'm having a much better year and having a more confident year, and there's a lot more kindness in it. So essentially, basically, to sum it up, my win is that I did a thing. I didn't force myself to do more than I could. I was able to do more than I thought. And it wasn't because I pushed myself, it's because I could do it, and that's great. So if you can take anything from it, just ask yourself, if this is all I can do today, okay, great. I did it. That's what I needed to do, and celebrate that. It's going to help. It's going to make your life so much easier. Lesley Logan 9:02  So your mantra is from the Deck of Plenty. I break bread with all priestesses of pleasure, and I co-create with those who adore the wild within me. I break bread with all priestesses of pleasure, and I co-create with those who adore the wild within me. Ooh, that's fun. That's a fun one. That one means you gotta get excited, gotta find the wild in you. She will have it. Lesley Logan 9:27  Thank you guys for being amazing listeners. Thank you for being you. We couldn't do this podcast without you. And so I hope that you send in wins of yours, send in people that inspire you, so we can celebrate them and until next time, Be It Till You See It.Lesley Logan 9:27  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 10:23  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 10:28  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 10:33  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 10:40  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 10:43  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell break down key insights from Lesley's conversation with Sam Mandel, CEO and co-founder of Ketamine Clinics Los Angeles, one of the first ketamine clinics in the country. They explore how ketamine therapy can help reframe trauma, unlock new mental pathways, and provide clarity for lasting change. In this recap episode, they discuss the power of perspective shifts, breaking free from limiting beliefs, and why taking action—despite fear or perfectionism—is the key to growth. If you've ever felt stuck in your past, this conversation will give you a fresh way to move forward.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How ketamine therapy helps reframe past experiences and shift perspectives on trauma.The role of ketamine in rewiring the brain and breaking old thought patterns.Why a structured clinical environment ensures the best results with ketamine therapy.The importance of normalizing alternative mental health treatments and breaking the stigma.How perfectionism holds you back and why taking “messy action” leads to real growth.Episode References/Links:Cambodia October 2025 Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.com Spring Pilates Training - https://opc.me/eventsPilates Studio Growth Accelerator - https://prfit.biz/acceleratorAccessories Flashcards Waitlist - https://opc.me/flashcardwaitlistKetamine Clinics LA Website: https://Ketamineclinics.com Sam Mandel's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thesammandel If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS!Check out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSoxBe in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates MentorshipFREE Ditching Busy Webinar Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable Pilates Follow Us on Social Media:InstagramThe Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channelFacebookLinkedInThe OPC YouTube Channel Episode Transcript:Brad Crowell 0:00  The past is the past, but our story about it can change at any given moment. So the event still happened, but the story we tell ourselves about that event that is something that we can change. And he said the ketamine really helps you dig in, because, well, first off, he said the most challenging aspect of trauma is that we feel like it can define us, and ketamine helps you see the traumatic events with a new perspective, detaching from the overwhelming emotions and allowing for more objective processing. Lesley Logan 0:31  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:10  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the eye-opening convo I had with Sam Mandel in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now go back and listen to that one or you can listen to this one and then listen to that one. You can listen, too, in whatever order you want. I found it to be really fascinating.Brad Crowell 1:35  Yeah, actually, I always find it funny that people tell us we've clearly said this almost 300 times now, or 250 times now saying you could pick if you want to watch one, listen to one first or the other, or watch and. Lesley Logan 1:48  People need permission. Brad Crowell 1:49  But then when people meet us, they say, oh, I'm really enjoying your recap. So I listen to them first and then go back. Or other people are like, I don't know. I have to listen to this first versus the I can't listen (inaudible).Lesley Logan 1:59  They want to guess. They want to know if their takeaway is what we're going to talk about, which I think is really fascinating. I think it's also what a great personality test.Brad Crowell 2:08  Yeah. I don't know what conclusions we're drawing from it but yes. Lesley Logan 2:11  Here's what I would say. I listen to a couple true crime shows, and I cannot listen to the talking about the show until I've listened to the show, because I like the anticipation of, like, did he do it? What's going on? Like, I like that. And then I like listening to. Brad Crowell 2:26  What are you talking about you skip to the end? Lesley Logan 2:30  Well, when we watched The Crown, yes, I Google. I Google, like, if it is true. Well, sometimes the anxiety makes me want to know.Brad Crowell 2:37  This is the Lesley thing. We start a thing, there's some kind of stress, which is, in every TV show, it's on purpose. And then she pulls out her phone, Google's the resolution for the entire show. And then I'm always like, don't tell me. I don't want to know. I literally don't want to know. I want to enjoy the show the way they made it. Lesley Logan 2:54  I am not your friend to support you not finding out if you're having a boy or girl, even though I completely support whether or not they identify as that, I like to know. Brad Crowell 3:06  You're not going to do the Moira Rose, I don't know if you trust me with that secret. Lesley Logan 3:13  No, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to be I don't want to hold a secret. No, that's not true. I can't hold a secret. Brad Crowell 3:20  Hilarious. All right. Well, today is March 13th 2025 and it's a day for two specials things here. Lesley Logan 3:26  Oh, okay. So here we go. First up, it's International Every Girl Wins Day. This holiday helps bring attention to women's rights worldwide, especially to young girls. The celebrations involve talks, lectures and conferences on women's empowerment in every country, the goal is to achieve long-term systemic change that addresses women's rights to equity. The day also inspires young girls to take pride in their most essential assets. They're encouraged to support each other and be ambassador of the female empowerment movement, not just beneficiaries of it. The Ever Girl Wins Institute introduced this holiday. That's so cool. Brad Crowell 3:59  Yeah, pretty cool. Lesley Logan 4:00  What a fun day. Okay, well, that's so fun, we have to figure out how to celebrate that more. Let's participate next year. I don't know. Lex, if you're listening, let's talk about it.Brad Crowell 4:08  Yeah. Second up, it's National Open An Umbrella Indoors Day. Lesley Logan 4:13  What? Brad Crowell 4:13  Right? I was like, okay, I need to include this. So it's a day to test the popular superstition that opening an umbrella inside will bring bad luck. So I didn't know that was a thing. I didn't realize it. I've heard of walking under a ladder, something about black cats. I don't actually know. Lesley Logan 4:29  I have always heard that opening the umbrella inside is bad luck, but I've never participated in it, because where else are you supposed to open the umbrella, outside in the rain? Not everythin has a.Brad Crowell 4:39  You always open it indoor first, and then go outside with it.Lesley Logan 4:42  Oh, I kind of want to, if I can push the door open, I want to open the umbrella as I'm going outside, because. Brad Crowell 4:48  Yeah, as you're going outside.Lesley Logan 4:49  If there's not a, most buildings don't have a porch, like a, what do you call it? It's not a porch. It's not what you're staying on, it's, it's overhang. Most of them don't have the overhang. And I just think it's annoying, because then you're wet under your umbrella.Brad Crowell 4:49  Yes, yes.Lesley Logan 4:55  Okay, well, tell us more about this day. Brad Crowell 5:03  Apparently, superstitions are baseless beliefs held by people that influence their behavior. So, shame on you, apparently. There are irrational beliefs that performing or not performing particular acts will lead to either bad luck or good luck. National Open An Umbrella Day, Indoors Day, allows you to try your luck and see how your day goes. So if you're willing to risk it. Lesley Logan 5:27  I just think that this person is kind of an ass. It's baseless. Your superstitions are baseless beliefs. There are so much studies on where you have attention, that's where things go, and that's why manifesting works. So I would just say, focus on the good things. You don't bring in the bad. I wouldn't go wrong going, oh my God, this happened because I opened an umbrella inside, but maybe you do. And so this day is for you. Lesley Logan 5:47  Okay, so we are at P.O.T. Denver. It actually starts Friday, but we are on our way. And so if you're there, make sure you come and say hi. If you're an OPC agency or eLevate member, we are having a little happy hour, so make sure you come over and find us. We want to talk about it. We want to hug you. Then get this, guess what, guys, March 18th to the 24th the Accessories Deck is on presale.Brad Crowell 6:09  So that's less than one week, y'all. Lesley Logan 6:11  Yes, so if you go to opc.me/flashcardwaitlist, this is your last chance, because next week's podcast, we won't even be talking about it, because if you're not on the waitlist, you can't get the discount. So you must go to opc.me/flashcardwaitlist to get that 30% off. Brad Crowell 6:27  I think we'll still talk about it this week. Lesley Logan 6:29  No, no. Urgency, people. Get on it.Brad Crowell 6:30  Get on it right now, opc.me/flashcardwaitlist. Lesley Logan 6:34  Hey, look, in case our things fuck up, and even though you get on the waitlist, you don't hear about it. Brad Crowell 6:38  It's possible. Lesley Logan 6:38  Also, because this is the last flashcard deck. Is there a waitlist anymore? Brad Crowell 6:43  Yeah, what are we going to do with this waitlist? We're going to have to email y'all and be like, hey, this waitlist is now closed. Do you want to go over to other waitlists and we'll, we'll let you know what we got.Lesley Logan 6:52  Yeah, we'll have to, someone, whoever was on the team listening, please assign me that task. Okay.Brad Crowell 6:56  Okay. Lesley Logan 6:57  April. Brad Crowell 6:58  Coming up hard. Coming up fast. Lesley Logan 7:00  April is coming up fast, and Spring Training is going to be April 27th through May 3rd, and those who are on the waitlist are going to get the early bird special. And this is a different waitlist than the flashcard waitlist. Brad Crowell 7:12  True. They're not the same waitlist. Lesley Logan 7:13  No, they're not. And so if you go to opc.me/events you are going to be entered.Brad Crowell 7:19  That is plural, opc.me/eventsLesley Logan 7:21  Plural. That's where you go to make sure you get the early bird opportunity, because we will open up the early bird sign-ups a few days before regular sign-ups, and only those on the waitlist are going to get the discounted rate. Up next, Brad, what do you got for them? Brad Crowell 7:35  Okay, we've got the Profitable Pilates Accelerator free webinar, if you are taking any clients on your own anywhere, whether that is at your house or in the park or your friend is, I don't know, buying you lunch. Technically, you are getting paid to teach, and that means you have your own business. And I'm sure you're aware, Lesley and I have been working with business owners just like you, just like us, where we were and where we are, coaching them through all the hard questions. How do you get new clients? How do I make this a living? Whatever the question might be, but I have a free webinar for you, specifically on increasing your income. Okay. So, come join me. Go to prfit.biz/accelerator that is profit without the O dot B-I-Z slash accelerator and join me for this free webinar. I can't wait to dig into the three biggest secrets that Lesley and I have learned after coaching more than 2500 small business owners just like you. And then finally, we've got October of this year. Lesley Logan 8:40  Cambodia.Brad Crowell 8:41  Cambodia. We literally just got back. Lesley Logan 8:43  We just got back and it was kind of a quick trip for us. We were only there. Brad Crowell 8:47  Two and a half weeks. Yeah, we were traveling for two and a half weeks. Lesley Logan 8:50  Yeah, we had a couple of days in Singapore, so not really two full weeks in Cambodia, but we loved it, and we're jonesing to go back already. And we have some epic people who already signed up. I'm really excited. Some of these people have been on the next time I'm gonna go next time for years, and now they're coming. Brad Crowell 8:50  It's true. Lesley Logan 8:55  And we have some repeat offenders. Brad Crowell 9:09  We have someone else signing up this weekend. It's definitely starting to get full. October is a very popular time for our community. The weather is lovely. It's quite beautiful. If that's something of interest to you, make sure you reach out to us as soon as possible, and we'll get you all the information that you need to make the decision. But it's going to be October 12th through the 18th, 2025 so, come hang out in our favorite place in the world. Lesley Logan 9:33  Yes. Brad Crowell 9:33  Where do you go? Crownestretreats.com crowsnestretreats.com okay.Lesley Logan 9:39  Okay, so we're gonna get into the amazing Sam Mandel, and we're gonna learn all about ketamine and talk about it. Before we do that, we have a question from the audience. Brad Crowell 9:48  We sure do. Okay. Eva de Brune from Instagram, states and asks, I know you enjoy lifting weights. Is the reformer, like the Contrology reformer and mat and Wunda chair, etc., is that enough? Or do you recommend adding weights to the workout routine? I get asked a lot, is mat enough? Yoga, you are using your body weight. What is your take on this? So a couple of things. So I think the way that this is written, I'm not sure if she's asking if she should go to the gym and be lifting weights, or if she's asking if she'd be adding weights to your Pilates practice. Lesley Logan 10:21  I think it's go, I think it's the first, which is going to the gym and lifting weights in addition to your Pilates and your yoga. So here's the deal. Unfortunately, many of the studies that have been done on Pilates implies resistance has been done with Pilates isn't how I teach. Scientific studies cost a fuck ton of money. I actually, I've postponed a particular call with a group that does these studies multiple times, because it's tens of thousands of dollars. And the reality is, it's not even the best way of testing, because the more Pilates you do, the more muscles you bring in. So then who should we be testing? You know, there's just a lot of things. So what I can tell you is, my Contrology equipment has the heavy springs, obviously, that is resistance. That is absolutely resistance. Is it the same resistance training as heavy weights? I don't think we can say that it is. And so what I'm going to say is, I know you're very busy. I know you've got a lot going on. I would love to be able to say Pilates is all you need. I don't think it's true. Brad Crowell 10:21  It's all you need. Lesley Logan 10:21  I don't think it's true, but here's what I would say, pick a couple of days to do some heavy kettlebells. Pick a couple of days to do some barbell training. You don't have to hit. I'm not actually a big fan of hit for women over a certain age, it's can be really cortisol-inducing, but I would do some or do some heavy weightlifting. I would, also, because it's cool, because it's really cool to see what you can lift. It's really fun. The mat alone is epic and amazing for mobility and strength training. But even Joe realized that people needed more, and that's why he brought the springs in. And it's not that they need more because the mat isn't enough. It's because they need support to teach the body parts that don't have the access yet. So I actually use my weight training as information on where I have work to do, like my Pilates practice could support my weight training. I recognize like I have a balance issue when I do my single leg dead lifts. And so I use my Pilates Cadillac and my reformer to help train the things that I need so I can weight-train better. So to me, Pilates is actually so I can do my life. I'm sure there's a yogi out there who's gonna get pissed if I say yoga is not an not enough, but I'm gonna be really honest, depending on what your bone density is doing, body weight exercises alone are not necessarily enough, because you need to stress the muscles. So that is where I do think heavy springs can be compared to lifting weights, but they're just different things. Brad Crowell 12:40  Stress the bones. Lesley Logan 12:41  Stress the bones, yeah, you stress the muscles, which pull in the bones, which creates good stress on the bones, which creates good bone density. So, the other thing I would just say is your body is you got one, and the longer we wait to challenge it, the harder it is to support it. And so if you went in my routine, I do Pilates five to six days a week. I lift three to four days a week. I do yoga twice a week. I walk every day. And I do these things because I actually want to be 100 years old and still be able to travel and hike and be independent. So it's just like, what do you want in your future? And then how does your fitness regimen actually support what you want? Where are you at in your age group? Notice I didn't mention any cardio in there, because my Pilates practice has bouts of cardio in it. When I'm doing some of my yoga stuff, my heart rate goes up. When I do some of my lifting stuff, my heart rate goes up. So I'm challenging my heart in multiple ways. I don't need to spend time doing that, but I would, I would lift some weights, babe. And yes, your mat practice is essential. It's amazing. It's great for mobility and longevity. But I do not have a study in front of me that says it's enough.Brad Crowell 13:46  Right. Well, great question, Eva, thanks for asking. Lesley Logan 13:49  Yeah. You know, here's the deal. If someone wants me to do a study, I would love to do it. You have no idea how much money you actually need to do it, and you need people who know the method. I would want to have people who are beginners, people who are advanced. I want to have women, men, but then, you need to know the women's cycle and where they're at. There's so much information. And I think that until we have that, you got to do it all. Brad Crowell 14:10  You got to do it all. All right, well, stick around we'll be right back, because we're about to dig in to a really interesting conversation with a doctor, Dr. Sam Mandel. We're going to talk about. Lesley Logan 14:20  Ketamine. Brad Crowell 14:21  Ketamine. Special K, all the drug paraphernalia names. It's all the same stuff, y'all, it's just actually how you use it. And he went way deep on that, so I thought it was really interesting. We'll be right back. Brad Crowell 14:33  Okay, welcome back. Let's talk about Sam Mandel. Sam Mandel is the co-founder and CEO of Ketamine Clinics Los Angeles, Sam and his father, who's also a doctor, opened KCLA in 2014 making it one of the first ketamine clinics in the entire country. Sam's passion for this innovative treatment stems from the profound and lasting positive impacts it has on people's lives. He believes ketamine therapy offers individuals the oportunity to rewrite their stories, overcome deeply ingrained mental patterns and step into a life filled with hope, resilience and joy.Lesley Logan 15:09  Okay, so when I got to talk to Sam, I was like, okay, I'm very interested, because we've had Dr. Kelly Bender on. Brad Crowell 15:15  Yes. Lesley Logan 15:15  She's a dear friend of mine, and I know that she does ketamine therapy and treatment, and we have a personal friend who we know has done ketamine treatments. She tried to do them on her own and. Brad Crowell 15:26  Yes, I mean, she was prescribed it, but she did them at home alone, which I thought, I didn't realize that was an option.Lesley Logan 15:32  And also, we have another friend where his wife has gone to the clinic like Sam's, and then he did on his own. And so anyways, so I just was very interested, because also, I think there's a lot of misinformation out there, and then when you have a death of someone who is abusing it with other things, then people get scared of something. And so I was really intrigued, because I think a lot of ways that people are affected of being it till they see it is they have past traumas or things going on in their brain that keep them from having the ability to be it till they see it. They have all the ideas. They've been listening this podcast. They have all this support, but then they have this stuff that's keeping them in their way. And so I really want to have Sam on because if ketamine can help them, then they need it to be it till they see it, right? So here's one thing I learned, ketamine is actually a psychedelic. I guess I didn't know that. I don't know what I thought ketamine was, so I thought that was really interesting. And it's really the only legally available psychedelic in the United States. It has the ability to dissolve these barriers that get in our way and help people get out of their own way. And so obviously, traditional talk therapy is really great. It can be helpful, but it says limitations. It's because our conscious mind gets in the way and makes it difficult to confront those deep seated issues. But ketamine acts in a different part of the brain than antidepressants can, and it allows these breakthroughs that aren't necessarily possible with other methods. And I think that's really cool, because we've heard of great stories of how ketamine can help people, like vets and different things, and like. Brad Crowell 16:57  PTSD.Lesley Logan 16:58  Oh yes, and it also like just kind of helps you take a different look at what the thing is. And I think in our own brains, we can judge ourselves for our actions we took or we didn't take in that situation, because it can be difficult to kind of forgive yourself about how you participated in an event that's affecting you, or how long it's, you just get in your head about it. And the way that ketamine can actually, when prescribed correctly and when done at a I think it's so cool that there's a clinic that you can go so, you know, you're safe, you know, I mean, first of all, it is safe. Brad Crowell 17:30  It's a controlled environment. Oh, yeah. Lesley Logan 17:31  It's a controlled environment, yes.Brad Crowell 17:32  I think that's half the reason why I stayed away from drugs was I didn't know what was going to happen, and if I knew something was going to happen to me and I was going to be impaired. Am I in a place where I'm going to be safe, right? So.Lesley Logan 17:45  Right. When I finally tried doing a little like micro dosing of mushrooms, it has to be at the house. There can be nothing going on. Brad Crowell 17:53  I can't have any obligations, no expectations from anybody else.Lesley Logan 17:59  Yeah, all these things we didn't even need to do that we could have just gone to Sam's clinic, and it's all set up in his clinic. Brad Crowell 18:05  Sam's clinic. Lesley Logan 18:05  Sam's clinic. It's called, not Sam's clinic. It's called, Ketamine Clinics Los Angeles, KCLA. So anyways, I just think that it's important for me to bring to everyone's attention here, that this is something that exists, and there are places that you can do it in a controlled way to actually get the true benefits from it. And because I've had so many people tell me that they have good benefits, I just didn't want negative stuff to keep people from doing it in the right way. Brad Crowell 18:32  Well, let's talk about why you might want to participate. Why would you be signing up to do a psychedelic? What I really enjoyed about Sam was him breaking it down from the perspective of a doctor, of what it actually is doing, how it's affected his patients. They've been around since 2014 so they're 10 years. So, they've done like, 30,000 treatments or something, you know, amazing. So he said ketamine helps people to craft the story around the trauma that they have. He said what happened is fixed, meaning the past. Whatever traumatic event happened, it's fixed, and it can never be changed. The past is the past, but our story about it can change at any given moment. So the event still happened, but the story we tell ourselves about that event that is something that we can change. And he said that ketamine really helps you dig in, because, well, first off, he said the most challenging aspect of trauma is that we feel like it can define us, and ketamine helps you see the traumatic events with a new perspective, detaching from the overwhelming emotions and allowing for more objective processing. The potential for ketamine to promote neuroplasticity, meaning your brain is creating new pathways, right? So, you know the expression, old dog can't be taught new tricks, right? Well, the whole idea there is that you're in a rut. You're in a groove, and it's really hard to jump out of that groove and create a new way of thinking, because we just default to what is easiest, and what is easiest is what we already know. So if we've defined for ourselves years ago that this thing equals pain, this thing equals fear, this equals whatever the thing is the story we tell ourselves, it is actually really hard to rewrite that story, and ketamine can help allow your brain to create those new storylines, those new pathways, so it helps bump out of that rut, which I thought was pretty cool. He said ketamine provides this kind of objective clarity. It can be extremely healing and transformational for people. Lesley Logan 18:51  Yeah, it kind of makes you go, should we all just go and do a ketamine treatment? Like, can it just be, like, the jump start you need? I don't know. It feels, I just, I feel like maybe it would help me get the all the journaling in the world that I've been doing, I might be able to speed up the process if I just did a treatment around the thing that keeps coming up.Brad Crowell 20:55  I think that's the idea. And I think also, even just the concept of that, it still feels taboo. It still feels like this scary thing that, great we've put it in a controlled environment, but I actually think it would benefit society if we normalized it. Lesley Logan 21:12  Yeah, well, we have to, first of all, we got to normalize mental health and that we all have different ways.Brad Crowell 21:17  Yes, same exact stigma as any kind of therapy, or any of that. This is a different form of therapy than talk therapy, than. Lesley Logan 21:25  I don't know. Maybe this is because we actually did do 14, 15 years in LA, and I knew people who were doing these things and doing controlled micro dosing of other things. And because my friend studies it, I know the benefits. And so to me, it doesn't feel taboo. Also, maybe we all could use a little bit of like, when you lived in LA, everyone had a therapist, and it was not unheard of for people to go, yeah, I'm gonna go get some ketamine therapy. We need to normalize all that for the rest of the country. Therapy is real. Do it. And also, if you can't get to, LA, do your research. But I would definitely use Sam's website for what you're looking at, as far as what the standard should be.Brad Crowell 22:07  Like the standard, which organization's the gold standard, you know, go look up Ketamine Clinics Los Angeles, and then compare that to a local clinic. Lesley Logan 22:14  Or and or go to LA. Brad Crowell 22:16  Yeah, or reach out to them and talk to them and ask them, you know, what they recommend. Lesley Logan 22:19  Yeah, they had some great stuff. So anyways, I think it's great. I think I could see where this could be really useful. And obviously it's not what you go do every Thursday. But if you've got -ish holding you back, what are you waiting for? Brad Crowell 22:33  Yeah, let's splash that -ish.Lesley Logan 22:35  I don't think that's what Sam wants.Brad Crowell 22:42  All right, stick around. We'll be right back with those Be It Action Items from Dr. Sam Mandel. Brad Crowell 22:47  All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Sam Mandel? Borrowing Nike slogan, he said take action. Just do it. Honestly, planning and strategizing is important, thinking things through, figuring out who you are, what you want, and putting together a plan that actually matters. So, the just do it part could start with the planning, but I think it's so easy for us to have analysis paralysis. I was just having this conversation with someone over the weekend of yeah, I started to do the thing, and then I ran into a speed bump, and I had to make a choice. But to make the choice, I had to learn a whole lot of stuff, and to learn a whole lot of stuff, it was going to take me a lot of time. And then what did I do? Nothing, right? So sometimes maybe we can phone a friend and shortcut that maybe we can, I don't know, join a coaching group and shortcut that maybe we can call a doctor and shortcut that when it comes to the planning and whatever, but I think just getting out there and taking messy action, we talk about that all the time. Lesley Logan 23:43  And also, if you haven't yet listened to the interview, go listen to it, because you actually hear about how he and his father started the clinic, which was like just doing it. It was like a freaking closet with a tiny desk and everything. But I think as we plan different things, there's part of me that loves how I do things. I just go for it. And then sometimes you and the team have too many questions, and I'm like, I don't have the answer for that. I think we're gonna figure it out when we get there. And it doesn't always work that way. So I would say, if you are someone who has to know every single thing before you get started this Be It Action Item is for you.Brad Crowell 24:14  Yeah, there's just too many unknowns. So planning can stop you in your track. Lesley Logan 24:18  We've coached so many people who have made sure they have all their plans to a tee, and then something out of everyone's control comes in and fucks it all up. I've had friends who've literally planned exactly what they want their business do, and then literally, two months later, after they did everything to a tee, perfectly, exactly how they wanted, they spend the budget the right way, everything, then COVID happened, fucked it all up. Didn't matter. So, you know, I think there's a healthy balance. Brad Crowell 24:44  Yep. What about you? Lesley Logan 24:45  Okay, he talked about it's too easy to let perfection keep us from taking the steps that we need to take to get done who we want to be, so. Brad Crowell 24:51  Wait, say that one more time. Lesley Logan 24:53  It's too easy to let perfectionist keep, perfectionism keep us from taking the steps we need to take to get done who we want to be. So like. Brad Crowell 24:53  I think it would be better to say to become who we want to be. Lesley Logan 25:03  To become who we want to be, probably. So I couldn't agree more. And he said you're going to make mistakes, and it's really the only way you actually succeed in life. And he said, if you're dealing with mental health condition, he encourages you to call and so a lot of times perfectionism shows up as a sign of imposter syndrome that you're dealing with, but it could also be a way of you controlling things, which can be part of a mental health situation. And so.Brad Crowell 25:26  I mean, it's the same exact, here's a perfect example. If he's the gold standard and you don't live in Los Angeles, then you won't take any action, because you can't get to the best one, right? That is perfectionism. What you could do is take messy action, give them a call and say hey, I don't live there, but.Lesley Logan 25:44  What are my options? Brad Crowell 25:45  What am I, what should, what should we be talking about here and just see if there is a path or some kind of alternate option for you, wherever it is that you live. So. Lesley Logan 25:52  Yeah, I mean, we talk about perfectionism here a lot, and I would just say, don't get mad at the perfectionist tendencies that you have. Use them as a highlighter of where you have work to do, whether that is doing a controlled ketamine treatment to get over this perfectionist issue that you have, or it's how can I get a friend over here who I just envy that they just go for things to help me take a look at this thing that I want to do, because I can borrow a little bit of their imperfection and go-getterness and help you. You know what I mean? Brad Crowell 26:23  It's like a barrier. Perfectionism is a barrier that we throw up to keep ourselves from failure. Lesley Logan 26:33  It is a great excuse for not getting shit done. You are correct, sir. Like, I know a lot of people who will say, oh, it's because I'm perfectionist. That's why I haven't done it. And it's a really good excuse that people will just go, oh, well, that's true.Brad Crowell 26:45  For me, I think it's the other extreme of the concept of, oh, I don't set any goals, because then I can't be let down. If you heard someone say that, you would go, well, that's not how I want to live. Well, the irony is that perfectionism is just the flip side of that coin. We are inadvertently putting roadblocks in the way. We've got to make sure everything's good, because if we don't, then it's going to fail, right? Then I'm going to be let down. Lesley Logan 27:09  I really enjoyed him sharing his stories of how he built everything, because they had to be (inaudible). Even if everything they did around how they controlled the environment for ketamine was exactly to a tee, the way they had to open the business, grow the business, put things together, you know, they had to do it, trying to figure it out, because it didn't exist before. And so a lot of you who are listening have ideas. Brad Crowell 27:30  He said he went to a Radio Shack and bought a burner phone so that they could make sure they had some kind of a (inaudible).Lesley Logan 27:36  I think it was the Radio Shack that, like, is on Santa Monica Boulevard. Brad Crowell 27:36  No it's the other one. That one, you brought up, though. Lesley Logan 27:42  Yeah. I was like, but even if you just listen to this episode to learn from Sam, just getting started with what you have access to that helps you get going, we have to stop allowing ourselves to be like, well, I don't have enough information. I don't have enough of this. I don't have enough this to start, it's affecting your gifts from being enjoyed by the people who it's for. Imagine if Sam and his dad hadn't started in an office because it's not sexy enough, right? So anyways, just do it. That's what he said.Brad Crowell 28:09  Just do it.Lesley Logan 28:10  Yeah, I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 28:11  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 28:12  Thank you so much for listening to our episode today. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Are you going to go to KCLA? Please let us know. Tag Sam Mandel. Tag the Be It Pod. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 28:23  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 28:25  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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Lesley Logan sits down with Sam Mandel, co-founder of Ketamine Clinics Los Angeles, to discuss the transformative potential of ketamine therapy for mental health. They debunk common misconceptions, explore its impact on PTSD, anxiety, and depression, and highlight how it empowers individuals to reshape their personal narratives.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:What ketamine therapy is and how it differs from traditional treatments.How ketamine enhances neuroplasticity and helps reframe traumaThe science behind ketamine's impact on depression, anxiety, and PTSD.The difference between medical ketamine use and recreational misuse.What to expect during a ketamine therapy session.How ketamine therapy can help individuals reconnect with themselves and regain motivation.Episode References/Links:Ketamine Clinics LA Website - https://Ketamineclinics.comInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/ketamineclinicslaFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/KetamineClinicsLASam Mandel Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thesammandelGuest Bio:Co-founder & CEO of Ketamine Clinics Los Angeles (KCLA), Sam Mandel, is a tour-de-force of compassion and innovation in mental health care. From volunteering at a teen-to-teen suicide prevention hotline at twelve to pioneering one of the world's foremost Ketamine Infusion Therapy clinics in 2014 alongside his father, Dr. Steven L. Mandel, Sam has channeled his lifelong passion for healthcare advocacy into transforming lives for the better. Sam was featured in Entrepreneur's list of Top 10 Inspiring Healthcare Entrepreneurs to Watch in 2023 and acknowledged by MSN as an Entrepreneur Leading the Business Frontier in 2024. Numerous media outlets have interviewed Sam for his expertise in Ketamine Infusion Therapy, and he is a frequent speaker at medical conferences and events. Under his leadership, KCLA has provided over 30,000 infusions to over 6,000 patients with an 83% treatment success rate, establishing the field's gold standard treatment protocols and patient satisfaction. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.DEALS! 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DEALS!Check out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSoxBe in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates MentorshipFREE Ditching Busy Webinar Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable Pilates Follow Us on Social Media:InstagramThe Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channelFacebookLinkedInThe OPC YouTube Channel Episode Transcript:Sam Mandel 0:00  When you look at trauma, for example, ketamine is extremely helpful for depression and anxiety, but also for PTSD and a lot of people have some trauma that is at the root of one of those issues, and ketamine helps people to recraft the story around that trauma. Lesley Logan 0:16  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:59  Okay, Be It babe. This is going to be a different kind of episode, but in the best way. I have Sam Mandel, who is a founder of Ketamine Clinics in LA and I was really intrigued by what I know about ketamine from my friends' holistic doctors. And when he came up as someone I could interview, I was like, oh, we need to do this, because there is a lot of misinformation about ketamine and what ketamine can be used for, and I'm on a mission to help you be it till you see it. And I really want you to understand all the different ways that you can have support in feeling more like yourself and not letting things get in your way. And so that is why we're going to talk about ketamine today. And if you think you know what it is, I strongly encourage you to just stay and listen, because I thought I knew and I learned so much. And then on top of all of that, I really enjoy Sam's story of how he started these clinics and what he and his dad did. And so there's just a lot of beautiful information in this episode, and I can't wait for you to hear it. So here is Sam Mandel. Lesley Logan 2:00  All right, Be It babe. I am really excited. I can tell you for a fact, we've never talked about this on the Be It Pod. And only is it quite timely, I think it's actually extremely imperative that we have this discussion so we have Sam Mandel here on the show. We're gonna talk about ketamine and all things about it, ketamine therapy. Sam, can you tell everyone who you are and probably why you rock at ketamine therapy?Sam Mandel 2:25  Yes, yeah. Thank you so much for having me, Lesley. So, I am Sam Mandel. I'm the co-founder and CEO of Ketamine Clinics Los Angeles. We're one of the first ketamine clinics in the country, established in 2014 and we specialize in IV infusions of ketamine for mental health, but we also offer several other innovative therapeutics for mental health. Lesley Logan 2:45  I love that mental health is something more people are talking about, and there's like more awareness around it, but also that there can be clinics that are working on different ways of helping, supporting mental health, including these infusions. For people who have heard about ketamine, and maybe not the positive ways, can we kind of, can we just dive in and ease their nerves about what we're talking about here?Sam Mandel 3:07  Let's do it. Some of your listeners are definitely like, ketamine what? And there's five different people saying that it's five different things, and all of them are correct. So that's one of the interesting things about ketamine. It is, first and foremost, an FDA-approved anesthetic for humans. It was FDA-approved in 1970. This is an old medicine. It's also commonly used in veterinary medicine. So a lot of people know of it as a horse tranquilizer or a cat tranquilizer. In some circles, it's more commonly known as that than as a drug for humans. But there's a lot of medications that we use for humans, that we also use in veterinary medicine. And it's also a drug of abuse, or something that people use recreationally or self-medicate with, depending on how you want to look at it, known as Special K. Same drug. It's used as an analgesic, as a pain reliever, in emergency room departments and crisis situations, trauma situations, when someone's in a terrible accident, they're in pain, they need sedation, or someone goes in and they need their shoulder reset, they commonly will use ketamine for conscious sedation. So it is a ubiquitous drug. It has a lot of different uses and applications, and one of its most recent, or probably its most recent, addition to that list of its identities, if you will, is as a mental health treatment. And in the last 25 years, there's been a growing body of clinical research proving ketamine to really be among the fastest, if not the fastest-acting, safest, most effective depression treatments available today.Lesley Logan 4:36  I mean, it's kind of amazing that it can be all these different things, also not, right? Like there's so many things, I feel like there's a lot of untapped medicines out there that we're already using, and we don't realize it could be done for other things. Can we talk about how it helps? Because I'll say my family's understanding of mental health treatment is when you sit on a couch and you talk to a therapist and you go weekly if you're depressed, you can take a pill that will kind of help with some hormonal imbalances. But that's not what this is. Sam Mandel 5:01  Yes, that is not what this is. And by the way, talk therapy is great. I go to therapy every week, you know, even when I'm in a good place and I don't necessarily feel like I have a lot to talk about, it's like going to the gym. I just go. I show up every week no matter what. And I think that's really good and healthy, especially if you have a therapist who you think cares about you and is invested in you, and you can just talk about, you know, life. And I'll tell you, sometimes when I go and I don't have anything bothering me or an agenda is when I do the most important work in those sessions, sometimes, so you just never know. But talk therapy is great, but it can only go so far. The conscious mind really gets in the way. Finding someone who cares is difficult the right credentialed person is expensive. A lot of the best people typically don't take insurance. It's not true for all of them. There's wonderful people out there who do, but a lot of the really good ones don't, and so it's a tough thing, but it has its limitations, like with anything. Ketamine and other psychedelic medicines, because ketamine, for all intended purposes, really is a psychedelic, and it's really the only legally available psychedelic in the United States, has the ability to really dissolve these barriers that get in our way. It helps people to get out of their own way and with exponential growth in ways that really are not possible and haven't been seen in any other treatment or modality. And the way it does that is really two primary mechanisms of action. The first is the neuro chemical effects and what's going on in the brain and how ketamine is impacting the brain and our neurochemistry in ways that really nothing else does. And the other is the experiential component, psychologically, what is going on during the experience or the trip that people have when they're receiving this medicine. And both of those are profound and really create lasting impact. On the neuro-chemical level, there's a neurotransmitter called glutamate. It's the most abundant neurotransmitter in the brain. It's present in 85% of the brain. All the other neurotransmitters combined comprise only 15% but for some reason, we've been disproportionately focused on them with mental health treatment. Those are the common ones you know of. Serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine, you know, the most common class of antidepressant medications are SSRIs. Those are selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, and those are targeting serotonin. They're a tool. They help some people. They really don't help a lot of people, too, and the people they do help, they really cause a lot of negative side effects and weight gain, sexual dysfunction, dried mouth, blurred vision, even increased suicidality, and the list goes on and on, really terrible side effects that are really debilitating for a lot of people. Even when those side effects are not as debilitating, the quality of relief is typically not very good. So people will say, oh, well, I definitely am not as depressed, but I don't feel happy either. I'm just kind of existing. They have the spectrum of life and of the human experience narrowed, so the lows are not as low, but they're not really thriving either. Not a nice place to be. Is it better than being in bed all day? Absolutely. But that's not the goal. That's not my goal for my life. That's not my goal for other people's lives and for the patients who come to our clinic. We want people to really thrive. Ketamine has the ability to help people to truly thrive. It restores compassion for self and others. It is enhanced energy and motivation for most people. It's a genuine reconnection of self. One of the things that happens with this, with the glutamatergic system and other processes that are occurring in the brain with IV infusions of ketamine, is it causes and promotes neurogenesis, enhanced neuroplasticity, actual new pathways, new connections forming in the brain. This helps people to form new habits, new patterns, new ways of thinking and being that can be very, very positive by disrupting a lot of the automatic responses and reactions we have in our day to day life that get so deeply enmeshed in us that they become a part of our personality, and ketamine can kind of push the reset button on that so that we have the opportunity to consciously choose who we want to be and how we want to be, and helps us call into question the things that we've accepted as just that's the way that I am, or that's the way that it is, and that's not the case most of the time. You look at trauma, for example, ketamine is extremely helpful for depression and anxiety, but also for PTSD, and a lot of people have some trauma that is at the root of one of those issues, and ketamine helps people to recraft the story around that trauma. So what happened is fixed and can never change. The past is the past, but our stories about it can change at any given moment, who we are and who we were and the other people and our role in it, and their role in it, and what happened and what didn't happen, and ketamine provides this kind of objective clarity on that that can be extremely healing and transformational for people.Lesley Logan 9:50  Yeah, this is fascinating. What I've known about ketamine, and I have friends who, I have a holistic doctor friend who offers it as a treatment, and I've heard of these amazing effects that can happen, but I never understood on the brain level, like what's going on and why it's different than the antidepressants that people are on, and how it could, so if someone comes in, first of all, what are some of the reasons why they're coming in for treatment, and then what is the, what are the expectations? Are they coming in one time for an IV infusion? Is this a weekly thing? And how long can the effects last? Can it be forever? Do they have to keep coming back? Can I get the lowdown on that? Sam Mandel 10:25  Yeah, you're asking all the right questions. So what treatment looks like is typically a series of six infusions over two to three weeks after that process I just explained where people are cleared for treatment. They come in, we have them fill out some paperwork, do a brief physical exam, and they come back to a private room. We help them to become comfortable in a recliner with noise canceling headphones, a sleep mask, unlimited selection of relaxing music, pillows, blankets, and we start an IV, and then we infuse the ketamine for 50 to 55 minutes. And it's a slow, gradual, steady state of infusion. People are conscious and awake the entire time. There's a level of dissociation where we don't want them to go so far that they don't know what's happening, but we want them to go into it far enough that they can kind of have a little bit of that quieting of the noise and chatter in their minds, and get a little bit of that clarity that I was describing earlier, and this separation really from themselves in a healthy way to take a look at things that can be really therapeutic, and doing that inner work. We monitor them the whole time. We use hospital-grade monitoring equipment. So that's like pulse, oxygen, EKG, blood pressure, continuous monitoring. I mean, it's a very safe medicine when it's used responsibly in a clinical setting like Ketamine Clinics Los Angeles. We still do all the proper monitoring just to make sure that people are comfortable and safe. And yeah, it's, that's pretty much the, you know, summary of the experience.Lesley Logan 11:53  Yeah, no. Thank you for sharing that, because I think, I don't think anyone's ever explained that, and I'm trying to think about people listening. It's like, well, what does it look like, you know, because let's just talk about what, we have heard about ketamine in the news lately, and it will continue to be in the news as people are going on trial, like when we hear Matthew Perry pass away from not the best use of ketamine, I think people are like, well, then how do you, what does it look like? Am I doing this myself? And I love that you have a wonderful protocol that allows people to be safe and use it in the best way that gets them the best results. But can we talk about the dark sides of ketamine, and what are some signs that people might not be in the safest situations using ketamine?Sam Mandel 12:30  Yeah, well, I'll definitely answer that with your reference to Matthew Perry, which is obviously a really sad situation. He was taken advantage of by people he trusted. He was a addict. He had a really, he's really struggled with addiction. He was very public about that, and not with ketamine specifically, but with really any substance that he could get his hands on. And was in a lot of pain, obviously, and it's a terrible situation. I think it's really important that people understand, though, that that has nothing to do with ketamine therapy. And the media created a lot of confusion for people saying that he had had ketamine therapy a few weeks ago and but that wasn't really a part, a factor in his death. But by the way, he had that and, you know, saying that he died from the acute effects of ketamine, that's just it was really, really distorted. He took more than 10 times the dose of ketamine that we give in the clinic by himself, in combination with buprenorphine, which is essentially an opioid, and Lorazepam, a benzodiazepine, which is another sedative. So he's combined three powerful sedatives, one of them in really absurd doses, by himself in a hot tub. And of course, what happens? He becomes incapacitated and he drowns. This is not, this is such a departure from what we do when we use ketamine in a therapeutic context. There's no correlation, but the way that it's been reported on, and what the average person hears is, oh, ketamine is a bad, dangerous drug, and that's it. That's the takeaway, and that's really a sad thing for people to to get from it. What they should get is that addiction is a serious illness. What they should get is taking lots of sedatives in combination is dangerous. Taking drugs unsupervised, alone in a hot tub is dangerous. These are the takeaways. There was even medical doctors involved in supplying it to him, but they were part of an illicit, underground, illegal drug ring. You know, this is not like mental health care, you know?Lesley Logan 14:25  I know. It's so sad because, well, first of all, the whole situation is sad. It's sad that someone was taken advantage of. It's sad that someone died from combining too many things, but also because they had doctors doing it, like all of that is sad, and, but, really, what I find, and one of the reasons I wanted to talk with you is, so this podcast is called Be It Till You See It, and one of the things that I am always on a search for is like, what can keep us from being it until we see it, what's holding us back in our life, or what can help us more? And the facts of what ketamine therapy that you do that is supervised, and you have pre-screened people to make sure that this is the right therapy for them, the benefits can actually change people's lives, like you said at the beginning, to choose what they want, and that allows them to step into the person that they want to be, like to me, this can be an amazing option for people who they know what they want, but they are just stuck, and they've got other things going on that with their mental health that the talk therapy hasn't helped with, or antidepressants haven't helped with. And so I really wanted to, like, clear the air and go, this can be an option for the right person.Sam Mandel 15:30  Absolutely and I'm really grateful for the opportunity to speak with you and for you creating a platform to have conversations like this, because people deserve to know the truth. And you know, you talk about talk therapy. I mean, a number of patients have literally said that was like 20 years of therapy in an hour. I mean, it really is that exponentially transformational. And it's not instead of therapy, but in addition to, right? When you can do a treatment like this and then work through the material and the learnings that come up for you with someone who understands mental health, who you trust, that's where a lot of even more growth can happen, and you can implement those learnings into your day to day life in the weeks to come. That process is usually referred to as integration, and it can look a lot of different ways, but then you have your experience. How do you integrate it into your life and actually make lasting change? Ketamine really does produce transformation for most people. In the almost 11 years that we've been doing this, we have done over 30,000 infusions. We have an 83% success rate, and we're typically not seeing people who are just wanting to have growth because they're stuck. We're seeing people who have treatment resistant depression, complex PTSD, severe anxiety, suicidality. I mean, there are definitely more moderate cases, but we see a lot of people have really just they've tried a lot, and some of them tried everything, and they haven't benefited. And this really works for them, because it works on under a completely different mechanism of action than the conventional treatments like antidepressant pills or even ECT or talk therapy, or really anything else out there. Lesley Logan 17:04  Yeah, when I think about PTSD, we obviously a lot of things about vets. People have been in the military, but there are people with PTSD who have had other traumas. It doesn't have to be that you've been to war. You could have been in a bad car accident, you could have been assaulted. Can you kind of explain and maybe it's redundant, but just how does ketamine help with PTSD, and then what does someone's life look like? What with one, do you have a case that a person who you can talk about, like, who had PTSD and like, what their life was like after the ketamine treatment? Sam Mandel 17:29  I'm glad you bring that up, because while a lot of us do think of military and war, there's actually many more cases of PTSD among the civilian population in the examples that you mentioned with violence, assault, accidents, etc. So it's super common, unfortunately. I believe there's around 16 million Americans suffering from PTSD who are at least diagnosed. There's many more, I'm sure, who are undiagnosed. And ketamine really does help with the neurochemistry in the brain and helping to rewire the brain, and it also really helps with the perception that we have of ourselves, of the event. People who have trauma are able to go back and revisit the trauma without being as emotionally triggered by it. And so sometimes, when I've talked about this with you know, friends, they say, yeah, you can revisit your trauma and work through it, and it's so great. And they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Why would I want to revisit my trauma? What are you talking about? I'm going to go and spend time and money to go there? No, thank you. I spent time and money avoiding my trauma, not going to visit it. But it isn't like that. You know? There's this ability to work through it without having the kind of pain of going there that is so often keeping people from addressing it head on in talk therapy and in life. We avoid, naturally, what's painful, but it isn't painful for most people in this context, they're able to have this detachment that is healthy in this way, to revisit it and to understand who we are, who we were, what our role was, what It was and etc, and to get clarity on that. And it can be really healing. It can really provide closure for a lot of people. And just with the whole cascade of different chemicals going on in the brain, it gives people generally a better mood and more positive outlook and demeanor, and enhanced feelings of compassion towards oneself and towards others and energy and motivation and just all around wellness, it's an elevator in that way which can just be really motivating for people to be able to do the things that most of us know we need to do and just struggle with in terms of our lifestyle, like fitness and eating healthy and sleeping well and talk therapy and having healthy relationships with people, getting outdoors and getting some sun and some fresh air, doing things we enjoy, all that stuff is absolutely critical for longevity, and for someone who's really severely depressed or anxious or dealing with real trauma, they can also feel like it's almost impossible to do a lot of those things. Lesley Logan 20:00  Yeah, yeah. You know, it's really interesting. If you're not someone who has PTSD, or you haven't had, like, severe depression, it can be hard to understand that it becomes all encompassing, you know? But if you think about it, like, when you've had an injury, you've been sick for a few days and you can't leave the bed, that's the the domino effect of what happens to your strength, and then what happens to your ability to, like, feel like you can reach out and that you can connect with people because you've been sick for a week. It's an easy way to see like, oh, if that's my life all the time, you know, it's not easy to go outside, and it doesn't feel easy to connect with people. And so it becomes part of their whole life. And so it's really cool to hear that with ketamine treatments over a couple of weeks that they could have a new lease on life and enjoy it. And I love that you brought up longevity, because I think we forget that how we treat our bodies now is what dictates how long will you get to have them? Hopefully, there won't be anything that stops us from living the life that we're supposed to but if you don't see like a lease on life there, what longevity do you have, you know, so it must be really amazing to get to do what you do every day. You really help so many people.Sam Mandel 21:01  I love it. It's the most gratifying thing ever, you know. When I tell people a lot of my job, the reality of what I do on a day to day basis, I have to do a lot of things I don't like to do, I don't want to do. I'm the CEO of my company. I get the worst, toughest problems that no one else can deal with. I get the fires to put out, the problems, the issues that got escalated to me, and all the weight and pressure and responsibility of it, and there's a lot of stuff, this is not fun, frankly, but I do it because of the, for the patients and for my team, and the work that we're doing, the impact that we're having. It's hugely motivating and gratifying. And when I see patient who I pass in the hallway in the clinic, and they just, can I just give you a hug, or I just want to say thank you so much, or we get a new Yelp review, and someone goes through and lists, you know, half my team by name and how amazing each one of them is, and how life-changing this has been for them. That's what gets me up in the morning, and that's what helps me to keep going every day. I just love it. The transformations are very abundant. And, you know, like I said, 83% it's not magic. It doesn't work for every person every time. It's not perfect, but it is a really incredible treatment.Lesley Logan 22:04  Yeah, yeah, I do understand that. I mean, my husband and I run our own businesses, and sometimes you can forget what you do while you're doing it, because you're doing all the fires, yeah? But then you do get stopped by someone who's been helped by it, or their life has changed, and you're like, oh, that's why I do this. Obviously, you know, it's been a journey to get to do this. Can you take us back how you figured out how to create a space where people could have ketamine therapy? You know, you are the first in the country. So, like, there wasn't really a model to go off of. So I feel like there's a be it till you see it story in there.Sam Mandel 22:36  Oh yeah. Started with me building the website with GoDaddy website builder, drag and drop modules, not knowing a lick of code, never built a website or anything of the sort, not even the most tech savvy guy, and literally just dragging and dropping and, you know, doing research on articles and clinical research, and conferring with my father, who I co-founded the practice with. He's a physician, and I'm talking about, what do you think about this? I'm just trying to make sense of it all in a way that I could understand it well enough to then be able to put it into layman's terms and explain it to other people. What is this? How does it work? And just putting it together, and then going to Radio Shack and getting a motorLesley Logan 23:17  That's how long ago this is because I don't even think they're around anymore.Sam Mandel 23:20  They're not, They went bankrupt. Lesley Logan 23:22  Was it the Radio Shack on Santa Monica Boulevard underneath the yoga place? Because that was my favorite. Sam Mandel 23:27  It was the Radio Shack in Marina Del Rey by the CVS and little strip mall off of Max Stella or something. Anyways, I got a Motorola flip phone prepaid, and I said to my father, you ready to launch the site? We're going to make it live. And made it live, and started taking calls on this cell phone. We were renting space in another doctor's office that was literally this closet. No kidding, they used it as a utility closet before we rented it, and once we moved out and got our own space. They went back to just keeping boxes in there. That's how tiny this room was, no kidding, and it was just really a trip. We had a operating room, recovery area, recovery room for an OR right outside of that little closet that we were in, which, by the way, we were sitting at literally just two folding chairs, a folding table with two laptops, and that was it, no kidding. And we use this recovery area to see patients. And we saw our first few patients, and their transformations were so incredible. We went, this is just too special. We have to do whatever it takes to do more of this. And my father was working as an anesthesiologist. He also has a master's degree in psychology. He was chief of anesthesia in this plastic surgery suite where we were. And so it started out with, well, he's already there, doing anesthesia for the surgery. Maybe we see a couple patients here or there, see how it goes. And next thing we knew, we just started getting busier and busier. The word got out. This was such a radical thing that a lot of people were very incredulous, very suspicious. A lot of people were very critical, but we were like, it doesn't matter. I mean, this is just too special. And it got to the point where my father had to choose between doing our cases or doing ketamine infusions for patients. And I, I remember that quite vividly, where I said, it's really gotta pick. We can't continue to do both. And it was a big risk, you know, it was a really big risk. So I have a lot of respect, you know, for him, for that and that we both just said, let's be all in on this. And, you know, we bootstrapped it. We put everything on credit cards. We had no investors, no financing, no loans, nothing. It's just a little bit of cash, credit cards. And really, just brick by brick, built it up, and now we have 15 employees, 5000 square feet, a really beautiful purpose-built office. I still have, well after the falling table, I had a custom desk built because of maximizing every inch of that space. So I had, there was a little nook between two pillars in that room, under a window, where they made this skinny little desk that was probably literally eight inches wide by three and a half feet long or something. Just stick it in this little nook so I could sit at a proper desk, and I still have that here in our suite now, and so that's kind of fun, but, yeah, it's just truly been an incredible journey.Lesley Logan 26:12  I thank you for taking this back, because we do have a lot of people who are entrepreneurs, and I think that they need to hear that like even a ketamine clinic, the first of its kind, starts in a utility closet. You know, people don't realize, because if you, one, you have to know if people want the thing. You knew it was great. You knew it could be amazing. But you have to get people to buy in, and especially on something that long ago, where people might not know all the amazing things that it can do. And even today, now, even with a beautiful space that can attract people in and make them feel super safe, doing something that changes lives, but also going up against where misconceptions, misinterpretations, and also the people who are misusing it can affect the majority getting the help that they need. I love hearing the stories of how things come to be. And also that is pretty amazing that your dad was like, yeah, I'm gonna quit my safe job. There's always gonna be surgeries, you know. So that's so, so, so cool, and it's really amazing. Is there anything about ketamine therapy that I haven't asked you, that you want to make sure people know? Is there anything else that we can help people understand why this would be something they might need to use, or might use so that they can have the life they want to have?Sam Mandel 27:19  Yeah, I do want to mention, you know, I was talking about how, you know, Matthew Perry was misusing it, and how different that situation is from what we do. And ketamine is still something that people do use recreationally or abuse or misuse. It's not as common, I think, as sometimes it's portrayed, but it definitely can happen, but it's also not in the same category as most other substances, because ketamine is not addictive in the way that most others are. And what I mean by that is you don't develop a physical dependence on it if, for example, like nicotine or opioids or alcohol or benzodiazepines, all you can get to the point where you actually need it to not feel sick. I mean, you have physical symptoms of feeling like nausea, headaches, wanting to throw up. Even with benzos, you can actually, if you abruptly stop taking high doses, you can literally have seizures and die. And you know, you can have symptoms from abrupt cessation of alcohol if you're a heavy alcoholic. That doesn't happen with ketamine. So some people can use it in the way that they're using it as a means to escape, but that's not really that different as far as the psychological dependence in the way that someone can use ice cream or chocolate or, you know, sour candies or sex or any of these other video games as a means of escape or avoiding or to self-soothe. So I think it's important that people understand that. It also has a very, very high therapeutic index. There's actually no known lethal dose of ketamine, so you can obviously be in a bad, unsafe environment, where, if you take a bunch and get into a car, that's not a not such a great outcome for you, or in a jacuzzi, but the medicine itself is unlikely to hurt you on its own. Most of the issues are people in bad situations, or they're combining it with other drugs. Virtually, almost all of the fatalities that are related to ketamine were one of those two, either in combination with other drugs and or in a situation like behind the wheel of a car. So I just want people to know that it's not to say that there aren't people who have an issue with misusing ketamine, because there are, but it really is distinct from most other substances that people are misusing or abusing.Lesley Logan 29:20  Thank you for saying that, because I do think, as a child of the night, you know, I grew up in the 80s, so it's, like, always just say no to drugs. Sam Mandel 29:25  The cocaine epidemic. Lesley Logan 29:28  Yeah, so I know they really that didn't really help them, did it? But, like, they thought it would. But I, like, grew up, so it's really funny when I have friends who, like, talk about doing some sort, some psychedelics, or do I have this innate like, I don't, I don't know, I don't know if I could do that. I'm afraid to try. I'm like, I'll be addicted on the first dose. Sam Mandel 29:45  Right, right, right. Lesley Logan 29:47  This is my fear, which is why I drink, right? That's what people do. And so they said no to drugs, but then they drink. But I really appreciate because it's nice to know that if I were to do a ketamine therapy, I'm not going to be dependent on coming to ketamine therapy every single week or I'll be using it at home, like, it's nice to know that it's a non-addictive thing that people can use to get the benefits. And I think that can make a lot of people feel more comfortable, you know. Sam Mandel 30:08  Yeah, because people are afraid of that, they think, God, well, if I go and do this, even if it's in a therapeutic way, am I going to become a ketamine addict? You know? I'm going to go and then be looking to score some on the street the next day. It's really a sad perception that some people might have due to the media or for whatever reason or they know somebody who misuse ketamine or the DARE program, like you said, or the 80s. A lot of baloney. Lesley Logan 30:28  Oh, and by the way, the DARE program was a lot of baloney. I just heard a whole podcast about it, and I was like, ah. So, but it, but it does put in people's minds, and also good for good reason. Like, I don't want people going out there doing other drugs we do know our addictive and like, hoping that they are fine out there the first time, but I am on this mission of helping people figure out how to get out of their own way and live their best life, and sometimes our own way are things that are really outside of our control, the PTSD, the depressions, the mental health, the suicide like I think it's important that people have access to forms of therapy out there that they may not know about or they may have misconceptions. Because we do know that the media does like to click bait things into headlines that get people to look at them, but don't actually give all the information. So I'm just so grateful that you were here to just really explain all this and the benefits of it.Sam Mandel 31:22  Absolutely, yeah, no, I appreciate the opportunity. Yeah, there are drugs that you can do once or twice and develop a real serious problem with pretty fast, methamphetamine, probably not one that you need to ever try. You know, if you're curious about trying drugs, I'd say take that one off the list. Heroin, probably not a good idea. Pretty easy to die, pretty easy to get addicted to that one, right? Opioids, crack, cocaine. These are some that maybe you don't need to, you don't need to check out, but maybe there's some others that if you really want to with the right mindset in the right context, if you're going to be safe or responsible, maybe you'd be okay with. And by the way, I'm not advocating for you to go do illicit drugs illegally either. But there are some that you can have, even in a controlled environment, such as ours, where you don't need to be afraid of them. I'll tell you what are the most dangerous, though, is the prescription legitimate drugs. As a matter of fact, prescriptions are more commonly abused than any of the other illicit drugs. You look at your stimulants like Adderall, your benzodiazepines, like Xanax, opioids, I mean, these are drugs that are a lot of people are really hooked on and that are killing a lot of people, especially the opioids, but because they're from big pharma, they're not all that bad. I mean, people are finally starting to scrutinize the opioids, but the others are still kind of under the radar, and they're really widely abused, but the focus is on the big, bad, illegal ones. Lesley Logan 32:39  I know of a client who's a social worker, and she used to work in a hospital, and we're talking about pain meds, and she's like Lesley, I watched a 14 year old kid come in super healthy, just had a broken arm. They had to have surgery, but within the three days they were there, they were extra tapping the pain meds. And she's like, we create addicts with these pharmaceutical drugs quickly, but we don't think of it like that, because they had a prescription written. And so it's important for us to educate ourselves, to be informed and to be able to advocate for ourselves or advocate for others when we have this information we can. So, thank you so much. I'm not gonna let you go. We actually are gonna take a brief break, and then we're gonna find out Be It Action Items from you. Lesley Logan 33:19  All right, Sam, where can people find you, follow you, connect with you. If they want to know more about ketamine therapies, if they want to come to your clinics, how can they connect with you best?Sam Mandel 33:28  Yeah, so ketamineclinics.com. That's K-E-T-A-M-I-N-E-C-L-I-N-I-C-S dot com. Lots of great information on there. People are more than welcome to call us, 310-270-0625. Consultations are free. We're always happy to chat see how we can help you. We do offer other treatments we really didn't talk about today, TMS, General Psychiatry, medication management, we take 12 of the biggest insurance networks in California, including Medicare, so there's a lot more that we can cover with you. Whether or not ketamine is the right fit if you are dealing with a mental health condition, I would encourage you to call and see if there's anything we can do to help. And we're on social it's ketamineclinicsLA on all socials and my personal is theSamMandel on all socials. And just really happy to connect with people and hear their stories, answer questions and help in any way that we can. Lesley Logan 34:23  I love it. Thank you. And that's also so cool, because we mentioned, like, it can be really hard to find a therapist these days because they don't always take insurance. So to hear that you do. It's really nice. Okay, we always ask people bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps they can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us?Sam Mandel 34:41  Oh, I wasn't ready for that one. I would say action. Take action. Just do it. Take Nike slogan. I mean, honestly, planning and strategizing is important, and thinking things through and figuring out who you are. What you want, what you like, what you don't like, putting together a plan matters. But I think most of us, or almost all of us, spend too much time on that, and there's just too many unknowns and too many things that you really can't solve for until you're in it and doing it, and it's too easy to let perfectionism keep us from taking the steps that we need to take to get done what we want, become, who we want to be, and who what our potential is. And I personally struggle with this too. So I say that from, you know, my own experience, and I really strive, and I want to encourage other people to really strive, to just get out there and do it, and you're going to make mistakes, and that's okay, but it's really the only way to succeed in life. You have to be on the fields, on the court, in it, and behind the scenes, thinking, planning, strategizing is only going to get you so far.Lesley Logan 35:58  Yeah, yeah. Oh, thank you for that. And also, I can tell you, practice what you just preached, because it's true. You started with a utility closet and some folding chairs and a Motorola phone, I mean. But also, you're correct. People do spend too much time in the planning, or they're waiting for it to be perfect, or they're waiting for the perfect decoration, and then they have the perfect branding and all the things. And if you guys had done that, you wouldn't have been able to help the thousands of people that you have today. So thank you so much, Sam for being here, for educating us, for informing us. Lesley Logan 36:29  And, you guys, how are you gonna use these tips in your life? Please share this episode with a friend as you hear conversations come up about the misuse of ketamine, and now you know you could share this with them to educate them, and also, if you have friends and family or yourself who needs this, please contact Sam and his team, because there's help out there for you. Until next time, Be It Till You See It.Lesley Logan 36:50  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. 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