Podcasts about National Outdoor Leadership School

This month on Conversations from the Pointed Firs host Peter Neill sits down with Lucas St. Clair. Lucas was born in Dover-Foxcroft, Maine and spent his childhood in a hand-built log cabin with few amenities and a focus on living in harmony with nature. After graduating from high school Lucas immersed himself in outdoor wilderness adventures: hiking the Appalachian Trail, paddling the Northern Forest Canoe Trail, and fine-tuning leadership and technical skills with the National Outdoor Leadership School in Patagonia. He then pursued an interest in organic and sustainable food, and graduated from the prestigious Le Cordon Bleu Cooking School in London. Following his graduation he worked in the food and wine industry for nearly a decade in New York City, Seattle, and Maine. Lucas is an avid fly fisherman, boater, and mountain climber. Lucas is now the President of Elliotsville Foundation, Inc., a private operating foundation in Maine whose mission is to advance the dynamic relationship of innovative land conservation and community-based economic and community development in Maine. On August 24th, 2016, Elliotsville Foundation completed a multi-year campaign to establish Katahdin Woods and Waters National Monument with an 89,000-acre donation of land to the National Park Service. Elliotsville continues to support the Katahdin Woods and Waters as well as conduct work to build more outdoor recreational infrastructure in Maine. Lucas is a former congressional candidate in ME-2 and now serves on the boards of the Quimby Family Foundation, Maine Conservation Voters, Friends of Katahdin Woods and Waters, Maine Public, and the Northern Forest Center. He chairs the National Board of the Trust for Public Land and serves on the National Park Foundation's National Council. He lives in Falmouth, Maine with his wife, Yemaya, and their two children.

In this episode of Soul of Travel, Season 5: Women's Wisdom + Mindful Travel, presented by @journeywoman_original, Christine hosts a soulful conversation with Martinique Lewis.Marty Lewis is an award-winning diversity in travel consultant, President of the Black Travel Alliance, both Travel and Leisure and Travel Pulse's ''Most influential people in travel.” And don't forget the creator of The ABC Travel Greenbook! The number one resource connecting travelers to the African Diaspora Globally. She is proud to serve on the advisory boards of Conde Nast Traveler, Hurtigruten Expedition Cruises, and the National Outdoor Leadership School. She is the change she wants to see and is committed to ensuring the travel industry is a welcoming space for all.Christine and Marty discuss:· The ABC Travel Greenbook· The Black Travel Across America project with National Geographic· Travel marketing and the importance of seeing ourselves in travel publications and assets· Supporting Black-owned businesses in global travelJoin Christine now for this soulful conversation with Martinique Lewis.

Sandy Colhoun is the President of the National Outdoor Leadership School, also known as NOLS. - Founded in 1965 by legendary mountaineer Paul Petzolt, NOLS is widely considered to be the world's premier wilderness school, and its mission is “to be the leading source and teacher of wilderness skills and leadership that serve people and the environment.” NOLS operates in many of the world's wildest outdoor classrooms, and it provides the highest quality instruction in many outdoor skills, including wilderness travel, mountaineering, rock climbing, sea kayaking, and more. But perhaps most importantly, through these outdoor adventures, NOLS students learn the foundational and all-important life skills of leadership, teamwork, humility, and responsibility. - Sandy was named the seventh President of NOLS in October of 2023, after serving as the interim President and, before that, as a member of the NOLS Board of Trustees. Prior to his work with NOLS, he had spent much of his career in the worlds of education and journalism, most notably leading a $750 million fundraising campaign at Colby College in Maine. Sandy is also a proud graduate of a NOLS Wind River Mountaineering course, and he's no stranger to hardcore outdoor adventures– he worked as a ski patroller in Park City, climbed in Alaska, Nepal, and Bolivia, and cycled up and over the Himalayas from Tibet to Nepal. As you'll hear in our conversation, he's focused, driven, and lots of fun, and he's s fully committed to leading NOLS into the future. - I'm a proud graduate of a 1999 semester-long NOLS course, which was hands-down one of the most formative and valuable experiences of my entire life. Yes, I learned plenty of outdoor skills that have served me well for nearly 25 years now, but the most important lessons were those that taught me the value of good exhibition behavior, being comfortable in uncomfortable situations, and keeping a positive attitude when life gets difficult. If not for that semester, I highly doubt I would've ever moved out west, worked in conservation, or started this podcast. So, I'm obviously a superfan of all things NOLS. - I was so excited to chat with Sandy, and we covered a lot in our hour-long conversation. We discussed the history of NOLS, what separates NOLS from other wilderness schools, risk management, exhibition behavior, expanding one's comfort zone, a description of the ideal NOLS student, Sandy's own leadership style, his vision for the future of NOLS, how he will measure success, leaders that Sandy admires, favorite books, and much more. Be sure to check out the episode notes for links to everything we discuss. - A huge thank you to Sandy for being so generous with his time and for everything he and the entire team at NOLS do to make the world a better place. Thanks for listening, and I hope you enjoy! --- NOLS Sandy Calhoun Ed's Freeflow Institute Workshop Full episode notes and links: https://mountainandprairie.com/sandy-colhoun/ --- TOPICS DISCUSSED: 4:00 - A brief history of NOLS 8:15 - What sets NOLS apart from other outdoor schools 10:30 - Discussing NOLS' partnerships 13:00 - How NOLS manages risk 16:30 - The talent of NOLS instructors 19:00 - What “expedition behavior” is 22:15 - How NOLS recruits students in a world that prioritizes job opportunities and career advancement 24:45 - How NOLS expands one's comfort zone 28:45 - The ideal NOLS student 30:15 - Determining the next chapter of NOLS in the early 2020s 33:30 - Sandy's career pre-NOLS 37:00 - Sandy's leadership style 42:30 - How Sandy got his mind around the task of taking the helm at NOLS 46:00 - Measuring future success at NOLS 49:00 - Leaders that Sandy admires 52:15 - Sandy's book recommendations 58:15 - Sandy's parting words of wisdom, and how you can support NOLS   --- ABOUT MOUNTAIN & PRAIRIE: Mountain & Prairie - All Episodes Mountain & Prairie Shop Mountain & Prairie on Instagram Upcoming Events About Ed Roberson Support Mountain & Prairie Leave a Review on Apple Podcasts

How might the philosophies of the classical Greeks apply to today's AI technologies? Does the concept of a virtuous life translate into the development and use of artificial intelligence? Given their belief in the value of seeking knowledge as a pathway to virtue, how might this principle apply to the creation of AI systems that learn and evolve? Plato introduces the four cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage, justice and temperance in Book 4 of "The Republic" and Aristotle expands them and explains how to make them practical in "The Nicomachean Ethics. How can these virtues be integrated into the design and operational principles of AI systems to ensure they contribute positively to society? The Greeks faced numerous ethical dilemmas that tested their principles. Can you discuss a modern ethical dilemma in AI that may involve a young Naval Officer's leadership and decision making, and how applying a classical Greek approach to ethics might offer a path to resolving it?  Dr. Joe Thomas serves as the Director, VADM James B. Stockdale Center for Ethical Leadership at the US Naval Academy.  A retired Marine, he served previously as the Class of 1961 Professor of Leadership Education at USNA and as Director, MajGen John A. Lejeune Leadership Institute at Marine Corps University. In addition, he's taught at the University of Notre Dame, University of Maryland, George Washington University and the National Outdoor Leadership School. He has published five books on the topics of leadership and ethics, along with numerous articles, book chapters, and research reports.  Joe supported student research that led to the award of Rhodes, Mitchell, and Fulbright scholarships. Joe holds masters' degrees from the Maxwell School of Citizenship and Public Affairs at Syracuse University and the US Army War College, a PhD from George Mason University, and a Certificate in Public Leadership from the Brookings Institute.

Ross Wehner is a writer, teacher, and social entrepreneur who is the Founder of World Leadership School, which “partners with K12 schools to reimagine learning and create next-generation leaders.” Ross also co-founded the nonprofit TeachUNITED, which works to transform learning at rural schools around the world. Ross is guided by the question: How can K12 school become the ultimate platform for launching students into lives of purpose? Ross began his career by working as a journalist in Chile and Peru in the 1990s. He received a Master's in Latin American literature and has worked as both a classroom teacher and a wilderness educator at the National Outdoor Leadership School. He has worked alongside executive coach Richard Leider, author of Power of Purpose, on leadership development programs for Fortune 50 executives around the world. He lives in Boulder, Colorado, with his wife and two children.Join us for this uplifting conversation about the evolution of education, increasing student agency, and moving towards purpose-driven education.IN THIS EPISODE, WE DISCUSS:Ross' experiences as a journalist, classroom teacher, and wilderness educator and how they led him to founding the World Leadership School.Purpose-driven education and it's place in reimagining education.The major shifts that have occurred in education and what the next step is.The pros and cons of technology and artificial intelligence in modern society, particularly on our youth.World Leadership School and how it's working with schools to create more purposeful learning opportunities.RESOURCES AND LINKS MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:Connect with Ross on LinkedIn or send him an email at ross@worldleadershipschool.com Visit www.worldleadershipschool.com and www.teachunited.org to learn more about Ross and his workGet your copy of Rebel Educator: Create Classrooms Where Impact and Imagination MeetLearn more about Rebel Educator, explore our professional development opportunities for educators and students, and check out our project library.Visit us at UP Academy to learn more about our personalized and inclusive learning environment.Connect with Tanya and UP Academy on LinkedIn, Facebook, and Instagram and learn more about her journey here.Enjoying the show? Leave us a rating and review and help more people find us!bit.ly/RebelEducatorApplePodcastsWe'd love it if you could take a few minutes to fill out this survey to let us know how we can bring you the best possible content: forms.gle/JcKHf9DHTZnYUmQr6 Interested in being on the Rebel Educator podcast? Fill out this form and we'll reach out to you if we think you'd be a great fit for an upcoming episode. https://forms.gle/CZJXLQDdevPh22ZN7Want to learn more about opening your own UP Academy? Check out the Rebel Educator Accelerator:www.rebeleducator.com/courses/the-acceleratorMORE ABOUT THE REBEL EDUCATOR PODCAST:In each episode of the Rebel Educator podcast, I deconstruct world-class educators, students, and thought leaders in education to extract the tactics, tools, and routines that you can use as teachers and parents. Join me as we discuss how to shift the classroom, the learning environment, the mindset, and the pedagogy, to resist tradition, reignite wonder, and re-imagine the future of education.This podcast is dedicated to all of the educators who work thankless hours to make our next generation the best it can be.  It was designed to begin conversations on how we can redesign education for the future of work and the success of our students.  It is meant for teachers, students, administrators, homeschoolers and anyone who interacts with and teaches youth.  We're thrilled to be sponsored by IXL. IXL's comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more:Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers' timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments

"We don't use the natural world, we have a reciprocal relationship with it." Hey everybody, this week we're speaking about a combination of two of my favourite topics: Nature and Therapy. I'm speaking with Dr. Megan Delaney. Megan holds a PhD in Counselor Education from Montclair State University (MSU) and is currently an Assistant Professor in the Department of Psychology at Monmouth University (MU) in Long Branch, New Jersey. Her research explores the influence of natural world on our mental health and the use of Ecotherapy in clinical practice and the counselor education classroom. Trained in outdoor leadership through the National Outdoor Leadership School, Megan spent several years as a wilderness instructor for organizations including the National Wildlife Federation and Outward Bound. Today she infuses Ecotherapy in her counseling classroom as well as her private practice. This was a wonderful deep dive into the world of Ecotherapy, and how nature can act as a co-facilitator in healing processes. I'm excited to hear how this one lands with you and as always am grateful that you're here!

Ben Askins joins the VinnyRoc Podcast as a guest, bringing with him an eclectic and impressive background. He holds degrees in Outdoor Education, Intercultural Studies, Physician Assistant Studies, and Divinity. With nearly two decades of experience, he has practiced and taught wilderness, tactical, and expeditionary medicine in the military. In his civilian life, he is a Psychiatric Physician Assistant, known for his evidence-focused and integrative approach to mental health. This includes extensive experience in ketamine-assisted psychotherapy, medicine management, and spiritual direction. Ben is certified with the Multidisciplinary Association on Psychedelic Studies (MAPS) in MDMA-assisted psychotherapy. As a member of the Wilderness Medical Society, a National Outdoor Leadership School alum, and a veteran of the Global War on Terrorism, Ben's experiences are diverse and influential. His postgraduate training in Neuropsychiatry and Genomics further enhances his expertise, making him a unique and insightful voice in the fields of mental health and medicine. #KetamineForDepression #MDMAForPTSD #integrativemedicine #MentalHealthMatters #MindBodySpirit #HealingJourney #Transformation #Microdosing #PlantMedicine #PsychedelicRevolution #futureofmedicine We extend our sincere gratitude to our sponsors for their unwavering support of the VinnyRoc Podcast. Their commitment enables us to deliver content that informs, educates, and engages consistently. · Core Medical Group: Striving to pioneer wellness solutions and help you achieve optimal well-being. Visit https://www.coremedicalgrp.com to discover more. · GMR Gold: Offering premium gold and silver investment options to elevate your wealth. Explore more at https://www.gmrgold.com. · Everest: The ultimate marketplace for the great outdoors. Embark on your adventure today at https://www.everest.com. · Modern Gun School: Dedicated to enriching your firearms knowledge with a comprehensive curriculum. Find out more at https://mgs.edu. We value the contribution of each sponsor and appreciate their dedication to our shared goals. For those who haven't yet, we invite you to watch our latest episode on YouTube, subscribe to our channel, and follow us on social media to stay updated on upcoming content. If you find our discussions valuable, please share them within your networks. Thank you for your continued support of the VinnyRoc Podcast. #VinnyRocPodcast #ThankYouSponsors

Daniel Del Coro is the Head of US Business Development at Secret Island Salmon and its parent company Salmones Austral, which specializes in sustainable seafood. With over 15 years of experience in the food business, he has partnered with award-winning chefs and worked in management, sales, branding, and marketing with startups, mid-market sustainable food brands, and nonprofit organizations like Slow Food New York City and New Amsterdam Market. Daniel studied leadership, crisis management, and survival skills at the National Outdoor Leadership School. In this episode… Seafood is a rapidly-expanding category in the CPG space. However, the controversy about wild versus farmed seafood has created misinformation among consumers. Farmed seafood like salmon is believed to be contaminated with chemicals, pathogens, dyes, and antibiotics. How can you educate consumers about sustainable aquaculture? As an advocate for sustainably-produced food, Daniel Del Coro is leading the initiative to destigmatize farmed salmon. With the world's population expected to reach 10 billion by 2050, food production must increase by 60%, so responsibly-managed seafood farms are crucial to ensure quality food. You can develop informative and engaging campaigns to educate consumers about the differences between farmed and wild-caught seafood, creating space in the market for both production methods. Join Taja Dockendorf in welcoming the Head of US Business Development at Secret Island Salmon and Salmones Austral Daniel Del Coro to this episode of the Brand Alchemist Podcast. Together, they discuss how Secret Island is revolutionizing aquaculture. Daniel also addresses how the seafood industry has evolved, Secret Island's new product innovations, and the company's emergence into the retail space.

Brainz magazine exclusive interview with Ben Askins (PA-C, MDiv). Ben has an eclectic background with degrees in Outdoor Education, Intercultural Studies, Physician Assistant Studies, and Divinity. He has nearly two decades of experience practicing and teaching wilderness, tactical, and expeditionary medicine in the military. In civilian life, he is a Psychiatric Physician Assistant with extensive experience providing ketamine-assisted psychotherapy and a certification with the Multidisciplinary Association on Psychedelic Studies (MAPS) in MDMA-assisted psychotherapy. Ben is a National Outdoor Leadership School alum, a veteran of the Global War on Terrorism, and has completed postgraduate training in Neuropsychiatry and Genomics.In this episode, we discover the following: 1. What is the anti-hero's journey? 2. How can we better care for other people's mental health? 3. The importance of not taking everything so seriously. 4. The power and diversity of storytelling.With podcast host: Mark SephtonHope you'll enjoy the episode! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this week's episode, meet Ryan Jones, a young, intelligent, and passionate man at the start of his climate career. Ryan's work today is focused in the Scale for Climate Tech program at SecondMuse, an organization born out of a global hackathon project called Random Hacks of Kindness in partnership with Google, Microsoft, NASA and the WorldBank. Prior to SecondMuse Ryan worked with Forum For the Future and Electrify Now. He was also the co-director of Hult International Business School's In-house incubator, managing 31 startups from over 20 countries, helping scale the program to their three other global campuses. In this conversation Ryan takes us on a fascinating journey through his role at SecondMuse, where he shares about their groundbreaking program supporting climate tech start-ups, funded by New York State. Ryan shares about an unconventional approach he used in the past to gathering insights on current affairs interviewing people in pubs and then discusses an upcoming sabbatical in which he'll undertake a National Outdoor Leadership School program in in Asia. Finally, Ryan discusses his goals with writing and storytelling, and the ways he finds great stories inspiring others to take charge, harness their agency, and create meaningful action toward a sustainable future. Get ready for an episode brimming with energy, inspiration, and exhilarating plans for a better world.

Ed Roberson is a Colorado-based conservationist, storyteller, and creator of Mountain & Prairie, a top-ranked podcast featuring long-form interviews with innovators of the American West.Since its first episode in early 2016, Mountain & Prairie has gone on to be recognized by the Aspen Institute, Patagonia, Apple Podcasts, MeatEater, The Nature Conservancy, Arthur M. Blank Family Foundation, High Country News, Colorado Parks and Wildlife, the Montana Governor's Office, and more. Thanks to the podcast's popularity, Ed is now a sought-after speaker and moderator at events throughout the United States. He is also the host of the Ranchlands Podcast.Ed's career has focused on land, water, and conservation for nearly two decades, primarily in the American West. He served as Conservation Director at Palmer Land Conservancy for four years, leading the organization's cutting-edge water conservation efforts on Colorado's Arkansas River. Prior to Palmer, he was a ranch broker and worked extensively throughout Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho. He has also served on boards and committees for a wide range of conservation organizations in Colorado.Ed holds a BA in economics and an MBA with a concentration in finance, both from Wake Forest University. He is also a proud graduate of the National Outdoor Leadership School's (NOLS) Semester in the Pacific Northwest. Away from work, Ed is a committed husband, father of two, voracious reader, comically slow ultrarunner, and devotee of the Strenuous Life.Learn more about Ed and his two podcasts below:www.mountainandprairie.comhttps://ranchlands.com/blogs/podcastSign up for Ed's “Good News From The American West” newsletter here: https://mountainandprairie.com/good-newsListen to Mountain & Prairie episode with Doug Brinkley here: https://mountainandprairie.com/douglas-brinkleySponsor messages: Live WildlyIf you love hiking, biking and locally-sourced outdoor adrenaline, then you love the Florida Wildlife Corridor.Panthers, Manatee, Tortoise and even the elusive Armadillo know the awesomeness of the more than 18 million acres that make up the Florida Wildlife Corridor - but do you? Get connected at LiveWildly.com, go explore, fall in love and help protect it! Then share your own adventures and check out Wild Floridians just like you @LiveWildlyFL.Our Sponsors:* Check out Green Chef and use my code asp250 for a great deal: https://www.greenchef.com/asp250* Check out Oris Watches: https://www.oris.ch* Check out Roark and use my code ASP15 for a great deal: https://roark.com/* Check out Shopify and use my code asp for a great deal: https://www.shopify.com/aspSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/adventure-sports-podcast/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Author and songwriter Robin Blankenship is the owner and director of Earth Knack and has been working in the outdoor education field since 1978. Robin has been an instructor for Larry Dean Olsen, National Outdoor Leadership School, Outward Bound and a multitude of primitive skills gatherings across the country. She is also the founder of Creston Charter School in Colorado.

Taylor Hawes is the Director of the Colorado River Program for the Nature Conservancy. As the leader of the program, she guides TNC's efforts to conserve the freshwater biodiversity of the Colorado River Basin while also meeting human demands for water– challenging objectives given the wide-ranging stresses facing the river today. But despite the challenges brought about by climate change, overallocation, and increasing demand, Taylor and her team are making great strides toward finding long-term solutions to create a sustainable future for the Colorado River and the people, plants, and animals that depend on it. - Taylor grew up on the east coast, and, from a young age, she felt a deep connection to land, water, and natural resources. She fell in love with wide-open spaces while on a course with the National Outdoor Leadership School, and she's devoted her career to protecting land and water in the West. Prior to joining the team at TNC, she served as Associate Counsel to the Colorado River Water Conservation District on Colorado's Western Slope, working on water quality, water policy, environmental permitting, and water rights litigation. - If you pay attention to the news, then you'll know that the Colorado River has been receiving tons of media attention for the dire conditions and projections facing the entire region. Reservoirs are at historic lows, temperatures are rising, and the need for more water is increasing. In the first part of this conversation, I ask Taylor to decipher many of the surface-level sound bytes that I've heard in the news, and she provides some much-needed context and background regarding the river basin's current challenges. We then talk about how TNC is working to solve these problems, by building community support, working collaboratively with Tribal nations, and helping agricultural producers become more efficient. And we spend the last part of the conversation talking about Taylor's professional journey– why she chooses to do this work, what gives her hope, and her goals for her work on the Colorado River. - This was a timely conversation, and I hope it sheds some light on the challenges facing the Colorado River today– and provides some optimism about the river's future. Thanks to Taylor for taking the time to chat, and thank you for listening. --- Taylor Hawes TNC's Colorado River work --- This episode is brought to you in partnership with the Colorado chapter of The Nature Conservancy. Guided by science and grounded by decades of collaborative partnerships, The Nature Conservancy has a long-standing legacy of achieving lasting results to create a world where nature and people thrive. On the fourth Tuesday of every month throughout 2023, Mountain & Prairie will be delving into conversations with a wide range of The Nature Conservancy's leaders, partners, collaborators, and stakeholders, highlighting the myriad of conservation challenges, opportunities, and solutions here in the American West. To learn more about The Nature Conservancy's impactful work in Colorado and around the world, visit www.nature.org/colorado TOPICS DISCUSSED: 3:15 - An overview of the situation regarding Colorado River water 8:00 - Discussing the “bandaid” solutions for the overallocated Colorado River implemented over the years 10:45 - Who is making the water allocation decisions for the Colorado River 12:00 - The breakdown of water use in the West 16:45 - Why has this situation has become an emergency right now, meriting the involvement of the federal government 19:30 - The timeline of Colorado river use reduction mandates 21:30 - The potential impacts of shrinking Colorado River on the Grand Canyon 23:00 - What will happen if the Colorado River Basin states do not agree on a plan to reduce water use in accordance with federal mandates 24:45 - How Taylor focuses on solutions regarding such a complex, difficult-to-model problem 28:30 - Some strategies TNC is employing to support and work with producers in reducing their water use  35:00 - Discussing the difficulties and importance of relationship building in this work 40:15 - TNC's work supporting Tribal water challenges 44:45 - What drives Taylor's work and what are her goals 47:00 - How Taylor ended up doing this work 53:45 - How law school helped Taylor 55:45 - What keeps Taylor energized about her work and TNC 58:15 - How anybody can get involved in this work 1:02:00 - Taylor's book recommendations --- ABOUT MOUNTAIN & PRAIRIE: Mountain & Prairie - All Episodes Mountain & Prairie Shop Mountain & Prairie on Instagram Upcoming Events About Ed Roberson Support Mountain & Prairie Leave a Review on Apple Podcasts

How did America get hooked on skiing? In 1939, Hannes Schneider moved from Austria to North Conway, New Hampshire, to teach skiing. But before the sport really took off, World War II broke out. After the war, a gritty band of soldiers who fought in the US Army's 10th Mountain Division, returned home into the mountains they loved.  Last week, Christian Beckwith, an alpinist and climbing historian, introduced us to the 10th Mountain Division and how it was jump-started by climbers who had honed their skills in the craggy mountains of Grand Teton National Park.   Beckwith, who rolls out this history in his podcast “Ninety-Pound Rucksack”, is back with us today to explain how those soldiers kick-started the ski industry in America, started organizations such as the National Outdoor Leadership School, and played a role in fields of avalanche science and wilderness rescue.

How much do you know about World War II history, Grand Teton National Park, and the evolution of outdoor recreation in the United States? Believe it or not, they're all intertwined.  Ninety-Pound Rucksack is a podcast about the U.S. Army's legendary 10th Division, and the dawn of outdoor recreation in America. Hosted by veteran alpinist and climbing historian Christian Beckwith, Ninety-Pound Rucksack examines the stories that made the unit legendary, as well as those that history has forgotten.  The tale of the 10th Mountain Division, a gritty unit of World War II climbers and skiers who trained for more than two years high in the Colorado Rockies to fight the Axis powers in extreme cold and mountainous terrain, is famous for good reason. Not only did its insertion into the war help end Germany's occupation of Italy, but post-war its surviving members helped found and develop ski areas across America, started organizations such as the National Outdoor Leadership School, and played a role in the fields of avalanche science and wilderness rescue.  Equal parts real-time research, intimate conversation, and revelatory journalism, Ninety-Pound Rucksack explores not only the conventional wisdom about the 10th, but the transformative power of the mountains to forge a collective identity among the mountain troops. And to ignite a passion for the outdoors that reshaped American society in the process.

What's the purpose of education? If you were to ask 10 different people this question, you may get 10 different answers. Education shouldn't be this complex, but getting people to come to a consensus on anything right now is a challenge. This can be a problem. If teachers are expected to meet ambiguous goals, it can lead to burnout and frustration.  In this episode, we hear how conflicting values in education may be contributing to teachers' decisions to leave.   Music:  Theme Song By Julian Saporiti  “Your Paradigm Dial” by Origami Repetika is licensed under a CC  BY license.   “Room With a View” by Jahzzar is licensed under a CC BY-SA license.  “Business Getaway  ” by Scott Holmes Music is licensed under a  CC BY-NC license. “I Was Different” by Ov Moi Omm is licensed under a CC  BY license.   “Sunny Afternoon” by HoliznaCC0 is in the Public Domain. Transcript: In the spring of 2016, Julian Saporiti, the guy that made the theme song for this podcast, asked me if I wanted to help him teach a summer road trip class for the University of Wyoming. It was easy to say yes, and this class ended up being one of the most influential educational experiences that I've ever had.  Many of our students felt the same way. One of them, Sam Mallory, even talked about it in his graduation speech.  Sam Mallory: Two years ago about this time of year, I was officially enrolled in the most influential course in my college experience And what made this class so significant likely had to do with the fact that we valued experience over product, which is a pretty non-traditional approach to a college course.. Our Syllabus included the following:  Introductions: Julian Saporiti -  Instructor /Guitarist. Charles Fournier Advisor/ Contemplation Mentor Books: Jack Kerouak's On The Road and John Steinbeck's Travels with Charlie Music: Songs and lyrics for sing-alongs Assignments: This list included items like helping a stranger, keeping a journal, and dancing in the moonlight Safety Measures: Information about bear country, how to react if lost, and how to create a cross-draft in your vehicle to fart rather than holding it in and risking feeling sick  Traveling Recommendations for Women: A list focused on hygiene and affirmations created by wife, Jennie, who is a brilliant traveler but opted to stay home to plan for classes and manage our new ornery dog Lastly: “Be Amazed. Be Present.” We set out for two weeks across Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana. We danced to music by firelight in the Tetons under the Milky Way. I taught a pair of girls how to build a fire and when they asked what I thought about feminism, we read parts of The Vagina Monologues while lighting things on fire- one of those girls just wrote an award-winning screenplay. We observed the wildlife of national parks and saw some animals as well.  I love this model for education. A kind of structure of non-structure that gives students a chance to grow autonomy and learn on the go. It was an experience, and the students were, if not changed, greatly impacted by that course. Julian and I were too.  I tried to apply some of the elements of this course to my high school classes the next school year. I wanted kids to sit around a fire and have conversations, to worry less about grades or tests, and to focus on collaborative experiences that result in knowledge acquisition.  Then the school year started. My fire pit idea was struck down, and the weight of standardized assessments, and everything else settled into place. My idealism was smothered by bureaucratic reality. There's nothing quite like having your grand plan for the new school year get deflated by October. And this brings me to a question that I have continuously returned to as a teacher when this happens - What's the point of education? Why are we here? The answer is ambiguous, and that uncertainty has led to conflict and confusion in education. So on the show today, we will ask “What's the purpose of education?” Because if we can't come to a consensus, teachers will continue to be expected to meet all of the competing thoughts about for what education is for. This is frustrating and adds to the stress and burnout that is leading teachers to find careers that might have more clearly defined parameters.  This is Those Who Can't Teach Anymore, a 7-part podcast series exploring why teachers are leaving education and what can be done to stop the exodus. I'm Charles Fournier. Here is part 4: “Why Are We Here?” Why we educate kids seems like it should be an easily answered question. But in my conversations with all levels of people involved in and around education, there wasn't a clear consistent answer:  Gary Martin:We have to work on their cognitive skills, you know, the critical thinking. Christy Chadwick: I think we have this idea that the purpose of education is to raise the next generation. But now, it sort of feels like a control factor. It feels like we're just controlling society through education.   Caskey Russell: Fostering creativity in the students, critical thinking, removing kind of cultural blind spots, providing kind of an equal access all across the board, regardless of class race, getting an idea of community, American community as the kind of multicultural tapestry. Lindsey Freeman: I mean, that's a big part of it is workforce development. But just citizens, I mean, our government or politicians, like everything that our world needs to continue starts in the classroom.  Jaye Wacker: Oh, my gosh, to protect a democratic republic. You know, pure and simple. We have to be educated, we have to be able to see through the bullshit, you know.  Jennica Fournier: I thought my role was to teach students about chemistry and biology. But I think sometimes there's the expectation that you're babysitting them. or that you're keeping them safe.  Shane Atkinson: I really tried to make it about the human connection.  Elizabeth Smith: The purpose of education is to train our people to be worker bees, and to have the skills necessary to devote their entire lives towards the betterment of a few elite versus the greater good of all.  It's a lot, and that can be a problem. And there is a split between the ideal for what education is for and the reality that often stifles idealism. What we do know is that an educational system is inherently political because it reflects a country's values. But what is valued in the US is continuously evolving and hard to pin down.  Education started in the Americas as a way to teach kids how to be a part of their community. Then it started to shift with colonization. Education went from being morality focused - teaching literacy so that people could read the Bible. To Democracy and assimilation focused - forcing people to fit a standard ideal while emphasizing being an active citizen. To worker focused - creating industrialized systems to set people up to enter the workforce. To academic and standards focused - standardizing curriculum with the intent to compete on the global scale.  But now, as demonstrated by the crazy political climate, what we value as a country is unclear, so what education should look like is also unclear.   This lack of clarity is landing at the feet of teachers. And having a job with no clear and agreed upon objective is frustrating. Should teachers be focused on standardized tests, on learning, on mental health, on social health, on morality, on graduation rates? It's not clear. But what is clear, is that having more of a shared value system would be valuable. A shared vision of what education is for. This would give teachers a clear objective that does not leave room for the petty arguments that are at the heart of so many educational dilemmas that are driving teachers out.  I think we can get there. I spoke with people from all over the political spectrum for this podcast, and I am certain that we can get to a shared set of values.   Juan Laden: Fundamentally, we need to make available within our teaching environment the understanding of other people and the possibilities for children to do so many things. Juan Laden sat down with me at the Lander Bake Shop. I had set up a microphone and taped up a sign with two questions: Why are teachers leaving Education? And What is the Purpose of Education? Because I don't want to hassle folks, I sat quietly with my dirty chai and waited for people to come to me. Juan sidled over in a dutch cap, still chewing on a pastry, and starting answering questions before he even sat down.  Juan Laden: I think they're good teachers, and that's why they're leaving. And so that's, are you recording this? Good, good? Juan is a lot of things. He has never been a public school teacher, but he was an experiential climbing instructor for the National Outdoor Leadership School or NOLS, he has traveled around and lived in Europe, he is knowledgeable in many things including plumbing and photography, and he knows a lot about pedagogy, this is a word educators use to talk about the method or practice of teaching: Juan Laden: And basically, I think the concept in America of education is filling a receptacle, and that is not what it's about.  What Juan is referring to is also called the banking method - the idea is that a student's educational experience is to get packed full of information, and that's it. The banking method is not a popular pedagogy because it lacks a need for critical thinking and creativity and disregards the fact that students come to school already possessing knowledge. Many folks I spoke with push against this focus of education - to pack kids full of information. Juan agrees, and he explained that he thinks education should feel more like caving.  Juan Laden:  I'm a caver and talk about exploration. Most people don't like the idea of caving. I tell them they just had a difficult birth and never got over it. But you know, it's like, what a trip. You're exploring to the max. When you find a new cave…the dream of all cavers is to find the big, going cave, like, “Wow, there's a hole and you go in there, and it goes, and it goes, and there's more.” The idea that you're actually going where no one's been before, and that's what exploration is. It is a very deep drive in all humans to start out with - that curiosity, that emotional need to explore is driven by curiosity. Exploration was a tenet of that Road Trip class, and something I wish my high school classroom had more of now. We gave the students the freedom to choose where they wanted to go and how they wanted to get there. This is how we ended up at a hot spring called Chicken Soup in Idaho. Idaho wasn't even in our original plan.  The desire to explore was also an ideal across many of my conversations with teachers about what education is for - to help students jump into a metaphorical or literal cave. But the reality of teaching in a public school setting is that this ability to delve into curiosity is often devalued by what is required in the curriculum, community pressures, or a lack of resources. And the breadth of information that needs to be covered in a curriculum sometimes does not allow for depth or the chance for student exploration.  I know of several projects that students would learn from and enjoy that were dead on arrival because they did not meet a curricular requirement or wouldn't work for a specific standardized assessment. Such limits can take away from the joy of teaching and we've already seen that it can lead to teachers quitting.  Exploration is something worth valuing, but based on how our system is currently structured, it isn't valued enough.  To get another idea about this question, we're going to take a step back and start with what an educational jack-of-all-trades says about the purpose of education. I met up with Colby Gull at his office. Colby is the Managing Director for the trustees education initiative in the College of Education at the University of Wyoming. I asked him what the purpose of education is: Colby Gull: That is too complex of a question for your podcast, probably.  This shouldn't be the case. To me, this is part of the problem. I wish education could be simpler. For instance, for their final project during the road trip class, a pair of students designed and printed a t-shirt for the class. And they created a slogan for each person in the course. Mine read “Just trying to teach people not to be assholes.” And you know, that sums up my pedagogy pretty well.  But Colby's right. Our country's current view of education is very complex. We can't easily say that education should be for exploration like Juan says, or that education is trying to teach people not to be assholes like my t-shirt motto says. And our system might be too complex. We might be trying to layer in too much.  And Colby, who was a teacher, principal, and superintendent, is aware of that. Here he is again with another answer that tries to better address the complexities for what he sees as the purpose of education: Colby Gull: I think we have to help our students to gain some basic knowledge, some basic skills around academic areas. We want them to understand how to read and to ask good questions. And we want them to understand some mathematical things and solve problems. But we also want to give them opportunities to explore new ideas and new ways of thinking about things and to analyze their own thinking, and , ”Why is my opinion that? Maybe it should be something else?” But I think the purpose of all of that is to help students to be prepared to go out and reach their potential, and to do great things and challenge thinking and make things better for themselves and for the people around them. Colby's answers show his expertise. He is a guy that spends his life thinking about education and helping to train and retain teachers, and through all of his roles, he has had to deal with the bureaucracy and politics of education more intimately than most teachers ever do. What a teacher might value does not include the political nature of education And this is where the conflict comes in. Something like the Road Trip Class, is my ideal education structure because it also reflects my values. But that does not work in public education. Teacher values and idealism often collapse against the layers of the education system's bureaucracy. And it's disheartening. So we end up with statements like Colby's second answer.  It covers a lot but it is also pretty generalized. It sounds like an institutional response to the question, or a mission statement - their purpose of education proclamation. To compare, here is the mission statement from the United States Department of education:  “The United States Department of Education's  mission is to promote student achievement and preparation for global competitiveness by fostering educational excellence and ensuring equal access.” And here are a few more mission statements to compare to from districts across the country. Try to guess where they're from: “We ensure equitable access to a transformative educational experience grounded in the assets of our students, staff, and community.” Here's Another: “To ensure high levels of learning for all students. To continuously develop our capacity to function as a collaborative culture.”  One more: “Our commitment is to prepare each student to become a career and college ready citizen. We will partner with families and the community to provide an engaging and challenging education in a safe and positive environment.” Each of these mission statements, from the US Department of Education to districts from three different time zones across the US have similar and vague declarations. They feel like a fortune - “You are about to rediscover a lost connection to your past.”  I get why the mission statements are vague. They are meant for a diverse population, and each family within that population should be able to see some value in these mission statements because public education is for everyone.  But this is also where we can run into problems. The way I read “preparing each student to become a career and college ready citizen” is unique from what the administration, or students, or parents, or even other teachers may think. Do I think a person needs to avoid spaghetti straps to be a productive citizen? Not really, but I do think knowing how to work towards and meet a deadline would help. So why does a vague purpose of education lead to teachers leaving the profession? Because many educators are finding that their interpretation of these missions and goals are in conflict with those of the administration, school board, or community. Values are not aligning. Which creates stress and sometimes forces a choice, do what they believe in and create conflict, or compromise their values and feel miserable.   Every now and then there are times when idealism aligns within the classroom, which can create amazing moments.  For Allison Lash, who was an art teacher in New York City that we heard from last episode, building community and learning in her mind require providing students with new experiences and opportunities. Allison Lash: That's the kind of thing that I love bringing to kids like these little snippets and experiences that they might not get in the classroom.  When her second graders were learning about rocks and gemstones from books, Allison organized a field trip to the Museum of Natural History because she knew they had an amazing collection. Allison Lash: And I took all the kids out of the Bronx and into Manhattan. And as we're and I rev them up, like for the field trip, and I told them we're leaving the Bronx, we're leaving the Bronx because so many of them have never left the Bronx are there. So many of them never left like many of them lived in the projects, the building. And so they only traveled from the building to school a block away in the supermarket like this. These like four streets, basically. And the kids when we were driving over the water and on the bridge to get to Manhattan, they were all screaming when they said we're leaving the Bronx. So I love, I love being able to do that. The ability to leave the space of the school often creates authentic learning experiences for students. These are experiences that connect students to their communities, which is a common value presented in school district mission statements. But there are limiting factors to leaving the space of the school. This is where idealism can be deflated because much of the modern purpose of education is now tied to keeping kids safe. This is why we practice having lockdowns.  Lauren Schumacher spoke to me about how fear and wanting to keep kids safe impacts how we view the purpose of education. Lauren Schumacher: And I think, sadly, with all the violence, you know, the school shootings situations, continue to make our country want to fence our buildings in and put doorbells on and all that which I understand. But in the same breath, we need to be removing them from the fences and getting them out into communities. I think that is more of the direction we need to move education. I was really excited to talk to Lauren. I set up an interview station outside next to the Valley Bookstore in Jackson Hole, Wyoming. I didn't meet Lauren first, I met her whole family. Her daughter saw my signs about teachers leaving and said, “My mom is going to want to talk to you” before she ran back from the direction she came to get her mom.  Lauren was on vacation with her family. She is an administrator in Florida, and she had previously taught in both Missouri and Florida, but everything she talked about matched what teachers in my home state brought up. In terms of the purpose of education, Lauren echoes the idea of wanting more experiential learning that gets kids into their communities. Lauren Schumacher: I think we need to step away from the traditional brick and mortar, and get our kids out and learning.  But, as Lauren pointed out earlier, with threats of violence in schools, education might be moving the other direction. I hate this. We desperately need to be moving towards mobility and freedom and exploration - not away from it. When I reflect on that road trip class, there were elements of risk - absolutely - but we didn't structure our educational experience around fear. Nor did threats feel looming like they do in modern education.  When I answer my classroom door, I always have a pen in hand - it's the sharpest object in my room, and I look through the window to check who is at my door, and what is in their hands before I let them in. Every time I answer the door, I play through a scenario of an active shooter. Our doors stay locked and shut because the statistics show that locked and shut doors save lives, and we value student lives. But this is the setting in which we are trying to teach exploration and wonder. It's hard to have idealistic values and believe the purpose of education is for exploration in a locked room. So I have to return to the question, “What is the purpose of education?” Because if it's to protect kids from violence and shootings, this is a heavy burden to ask teachers to carry. And the weight of it is becoming too much for many educators. Such expectations make teachers feel like their job descriptions have shifted. And this is where more complexity comes in. Rather than being facilitators of learning, critical thinking, and exploration, teachers are having to do any number of things. Ron Ruckman: I think that's the awesome part of teaching is that you get to be all those things, you know, but it puts a huge mental drain on teachers.  This is Ron Ruckman, we heard a little bit from him in the second episode. Ron taught for 23 years and quit to run his construction business that he has with a friend. A business that does not require Ron to have to engage with much other than completing projects. Part of why Ron left had to do with a purpose of education that required too much from him. Ron Ruckman:That's the problem. I think that for me that that has finally just kind of wore me out. The needs of kids beyond way beyond science, just the stuff I teach my subject matter. I do so much more. I spend so much time and it seems like I've spent more and more time as my teaching career has gone on. Kids seem to be a lot more needy of that kind of attention, and then we have one counselor. She can only do so much. She's got a line at her office most days, and it's like, you just have to wear all those hats to be the teacher, be the counselor, be the be mom and dad. That's the reality for some kids. Ron recognizes that these kids need more than content. Mental health matters, even more so with the pandemic. In 2021, the CDC reported that nearly half of teenagers reported feeling sad or hopeless over the last year, and schools are a great resource for students who are struggling, but most school counselors are constantly busy because they have so many students needing help. Some of that overflow lands on teachers. For some teachers, who are not qualified or professional counselors, this is too emotionally taxing. So is this the purpose of education? To support the mental health of students? If it is, how does this match the structure of our education system?  For Ron, he knows students need support, and he also believes that education needs to focus on things that are relevant to his content.   Ron Ruckman: It's important that we keep teaching critical thinking. My district recently held a professional development day where local business people explained what they want our schools to prepare students for. One of the things they pointed to was the ability to think critically and problem solve. Another was the ability to value and communicate with other people. To actively engage in a civilized manner and recognize not everyone shares the same perspective.  Ron Ruckman: If you're not willing to feel cognitive dissonance, if you're not willing to feel that uncomfortable feeling of what you thought, and then realizing that maybe that wasn't the truth. I had an uncle that always taught me you can learn something from everybody. And that includes every little fifth grader that I've ever had come through my room. Every single person I meet, I learned something from. That's what a teacher should be doing is teaching kids that you need to make your own opinion, but you need to consider all the data and all the opinions of others and put it all together and then make your own educated opinion. Ron values critical thinkers that have a growth mindset. He does not want learning to stop for people once they graduate. For Ron, if the purpose of education is to grow an active and informed citizenry, which harkens back to what the founding fathers wanted of education, then learning should be lifelong.  Ron Ruckman: It's okay to change what you believe in. When you consider more evidence, you know, and as you go through life, you learn more things and you see more things and, you know, and that I think a lot of people don't like that. We can't just be stuck in one way of thinking all of our life, otherwise, you're just gonna be very unhappy. So through science, Ron was helping students think critically and communicate with one another and form opinions all while addressing students' other needs - which ended up wearing him out by the time he left his job. For Ron, the purpose of education isn't finite,  and it became too much for him to continue.  One last thing about Ron. When considering the purpose of education, there is some speculation that teachers are using education as a place to spew a political agenda. Ron is adamant that this is incorrect. Ron Ruckman: Well, and that's part of the part of my, just kind of my disgust with the public right now is the image of teachers being, you know, we're out there to indoctrinate kids or whatever that bullshit is. And I'm sorry to use that word, but that it is, it's bullshit. That one will get me fired up more than anything else, you know, we're there to just teach them about the subjects that, you know, that we're in, you know, and we're not out there to indoctrinate. No teacher that I spoke with or know of is actively trying to indoctrinate students. That is not the purpose of education in their minds. Some teachers even joked that they wished they could indoctrinate students - then maybe students would do their homework and turn things in on time. But this fear of indoctrination from non-educators is a problem, making it more difficult to define the purpose of education simply. In my ideal for education, I get to act as a facilitator of curiosity. I help students explore their interests by guiding them towards relevant resources, and I feel like it's my job to not be offended. I want students to be able to ask honest questions about whatever they're interested in. And at no point will I stop a curious student and say, “I'm sorry, you cannot address that in this room. This room is for English content only.” or “That does not fit within our mission statement.”  I want to be able to stray from content in my classroom, but it does not match a view of education that is content specific and easily measured. There seems to be a fear that anything outside of a content area is indoctrination or a deviant plot to warp the minds of children - muwahahaha. It's asinine and disregards the fact that expecting teachers to only teach content and nothing more is missing a big part of what education is. Ron Ruckman: I think the expectation, honestly, is that that's all you do is teach your subject, and that's all you should ever, you know, and what they don't realize is, these kids need so much more. And I think there's so much more on our plate as a teacher than what the public thinks is there or even expects us to do, but we don't have a choice. We, you know, we would have, you know, we'd have no, we'd have utter chaos. You know, if we didn't wear all those hats Going into a classroom and only trying to teach content, while addressing nothing else, rarely works. This is why guest speakers sometimes flounder - they assume their expertise is enough to engage students - and they get eaten alive. But the focus on content can't be dismissed. Standards and standardized assessments are a constant quality of modern education. Is this what we value? Content that will be assessed on a standardized assessment? In reality, assessments are the main measurable expectations that are placed onto schools. And for many teachers, if the purpose of education is to only have students do well on a test, then that is enough of a reason to quit teaching. Teachers are having to balance teaching content that students will be tested on with their values and ideas about the social, emotional or cultural things that are harder to measure but necessary for a well-functioning classroom. And having to be responsible for a list of ambiguous immeasurables is draining and pushing teachers out. Ron Ruckman: I mean, now we are basically caretakers of those kids.  We met Rachael Esh last episode, she left teaching to write children's books, and she felt like the foundation of her teaching experience was based on relationships:  Rachaeel Esh: And even when you learn when you go into teaching, you know this. The number one thing they teach you is relationships, build relationships, don't worry about the content until you have the relationships because we know they're not going to listen to you if they don't respect you or care about you to get that other information. So you've got to build that. You've got to have your expectations.The purpose of education, I mean, it's just, it's all encompassing. Raising a kid takes a community and I feel like teachers are a big part of that community. Rachael wants to foster kindness and curiosity and empathy. This sounds like it would fit the tenets from the mission statements from earlier, but what stands out to me is her point that content is secondary. Many teachers recognize that without a relationship, it's very difficult to teach any sort of content. Relationships are part of what made that road trip class so successful. Relationships are what those guest speakers are lacking. I've even heard kids specifically say, they will refuse to do work or try to learn from a teacher they don't like. So to get to content, some of these other things are having to be addressed, which adds to what teachers are already doing and are hard to measure or track. There are also a few differing views on what makes up content. Several teachers drew a line between content tied to learning and exploration and content for standardized assessments.  Rachael Esh: So just being like, hey, good job on all your hard work. We're number one for our scores again, and it's like, I don't care. And so if that's what we're celebrating, I don't really want to work here. Because that's not what's important to me. And so like, how about we celebrate this the teacher that tried a new lesson and fell on their face? Like Good job family? Because that's what we teach our kids. But do we let our teachers fail? No. So I just don't agree with it. Rachael wanted to teach in a space that allowed for teachers to experiment in their classrooms. To try things and fail, but she felt like the test scores were what her district valued. They prioritized high scores over experiences and what Rachael thought of as authentic learning.  I understand this. Getting a taste of a structure like the road trip class that allowed for authentic learning because it was exploration based makes it really hard to go back to prioritizing high scores. Rachael Esh:  I cannot stand another freakin meeting talking about. But does the standard say that? What does modeling mean? What does this mean? I don't care. I'm sorry, I don't need to break down the exact definition of a word in order to teach the general concept. And I am going to make time to teach what these kids really need to know in life, which is not that. The focus on standards hasn't always been the norm. As I said earlier, education has shifted its focus as our country's values have shifted.  And part of the confusion could have to do with modern education holding onto outdated values for   public education. Values that don't match a modern world or modern ideals. Though that may be true, teachers are still having to work in this environment that lacks clear objectives. This is stressful.  We often hear, just do what's best for kids when it feels like bureaucracy is getting heavy. But what I think is best for kids might include calling them by their chosen name, holding them accountable for their actions, pushing them to reach high expectations, or providing them with various pieces of text that give unique perspectives.  These might sound great, but for each of the examples I just listed, I have had a situation where a parent, student, administrator, or fellow teacher disagreed with me to the point that we needed to have a meeting about our perspectives. And the reality is, I can't say who is right or wrong based on our educational system, there's no clear answer. For many teachers, having to defend why, in their professional opinion, their view of education is valid, is just not worth it. And being accosted by parents or administrators or school boards gets old really quickly. Ron  talked about the lasting impact of these conflicts: Ron Ruckman: Yeah, it's scary to me still, I mean, parents, parents, I, when I have parents get in my face, I hate it even now. And most of the time, and well, like, I would say, 99% of the time parent goes away happy. And I sit there and dwell on it for the next five days, you know, and it totally wrecks my whole mental state for a long time. You know, and I just don't think parents realize, you know, they come in, and they're fired up, because they hear one story from their kid, and then they come in, and they're all fired up, and they leave and they're, they're fine. But I've, you know, it's, it's almost like, you know, you're almost traumatized by it for a little bit, you know, and that I know, that sounds dumb, but that, that is something that just kind of happens, you know, and I feel like because I like to make everybody I'm kind of a people pleaser, you know, I like everybody to be happy with me all the time.   Every teacher I know has a getting chewed out story - when a parent cornered and then screamed at them in their own classroom or demanded retribution because they refused to believe their child would ever lie to them so the teacher must be lying. These moments leave scars And this shows that even if there isn't a shared view for the purpose of education, there might be a consensus that devalues teachers making it acceptable to treat them this way.  And when it comes to making changes to keep teachers, I don't know what the answer is. But I know that valuing teachers and education would help. Because I do know that a lot of teachers that left education love teaching, but many of them didn't feel like they or their work were valued.  I also know that education is for students. So to identify what the purpose of education should be, it might be worth asking  students what they need? What do they value? Jonah Zeimens: I feel like education has lost real world application in a lot of things.  This is Jonah Zeimans. Jonah was a student of mine a few years ago. He took my college level English course, and we've stayed in contact since. Jonah is currently going to college to become an Ag teacher. He was a high achieving student. He was involved with FFA at a national level. He even spoke at graduation. And with all of these accolades, he still wishes his high school experience could have been a little different.  Jonah Zeimens: I wish it was a lot more individualized. What I don't love about our school system right now is that we're so standardized and trying to get everyone to meet the same requirements every step of the way. And I can understand maybe while students are younger, the importance of that, but once folks start figuring out what they want to do with their life a little bit more, it'd be nice to have a little bit more experimentation there. I think about this a lot going, the ag education, I would have loved to have taken more ag classes while in high school.  Jonah hit on an issue many teachers talked about in frustration with standards and standardized tests. Students value individualization. With individualization comes exploration and the ability to get excited about their futures.  Teachers love fostering this work, and if we look back to the mission statements from earlier, individualized instruction meets several of their requirements. But this is not  feasible in our current approach to education. Even if teachers want to create individualized instruction, they often run into the issue of navigating standards, or having time, or managing huge classes. But what Jonah is saying is an ideal. I would get behind a purpose of education that focused on students' individual goals, and I know of a lot of teachers that would do the same.. But a few things would have to change to make this approach feasible and not burn teachers out.  Teachers would need smaller class sizes. Building in-depth individualized learning plans for 150 students isn't practical or healthy. So if we value teacher well-being and individualized learning, education needs funding for more teachers and more facilities so classes can be smaller. That would be a start to reaching a consensus on what education  is for.  I spoke with another recent graduate about the same issues. Landon Trujillo was a wrestler of mine. I coached with his dad for several years, and when Landon graduated he gave me a picture from state wrestling. Someone caught the moment when Landon melted into my chest right after he won the state championship. The picture frame says family on it. It's on my desk as I work on this podcast. Landon didn't love the structure of school.  Landon Trujillo: Um, I'm a pretty social person. So I really liked the social aspect. And just a bunch of friends there people to talk to all the time. Some things I didn't like is like, how, by the book, everything is. 90% of teachers teach the same, in my opinion. It's just work for a grade, and then get your grades and that's pretty much it. I can see why Landon thinks education is about getting a good grade. As a teacher, this is disheartening. When working towards standards is the priority, the things that foster the joy of learning feel like they get pushed aside. Grades become more valuable than experiences or individualized instruction. These are the times when I look back to that road trip class I told you about and think about how far away I am from that wonderfully structured course. From the things I value as a teacher. From being in a setting with a shared purpose - to explore and not be assholes.  If teachers do not think what they do has purpose, it will be hard to keep them in a job. Part of what gives teachers purpose is autonomy and trust and an ability to explore authentic learning experiences. Things that everyone I spoke with values. But teachers are having to prioritize things that are considered measurable. Assessments and standards are used as tools of measurement, but the things I and many teachers value are hard to measure. I could not measure the impact that roadtrip class had on students in any tangible way, but I know it had an impact. I can't measure my relationships, and if I tried, they would feel superficial. This is why some education feels superficial, because it values measurement over authenticity. And teachers are leaving this system, but our country can keep teachers if we shift our values to what teachers and students already value, which does not include high stakes testing or standardization. Next time, we will take a look at the impact standardization and high stakes testing have on the classroom, and how this impact plays a role in teachers' decisions to leave education. Chris Rothfuss: They switched to a standards oriented approach where they were targeting competency and individual standards as their evaluative structure for student success, as opposed to a grading format. And I think that's a more sophisticated and more thoughtful approach to evaluating educational needs and educational accomplishment.   That will be next time on Those Who Can't Teach Anymore. Thank you for listening. Be sure to subscribe to our podcast, leave a review, and share episodes with everyone you can think of. This episode was produced by me, Charles Fournier. It was edited by Melodie Edwards. Other editing help came from Noa Greenspan, Sarah-Ann Leverette, and Jennica Fournier. Voice Acting by Chris and Haylee Brayton, Britni Shipman, and Ben Zoller. Our theme song is by Julian Saporiti. Road Trip songs were performed  by the Great American Roadtrip class of 2016. All other music can be found on our website. A special thanks to Elizabeth Smith, Juan Laden, Colby Gull, Allison Lash, Lauren Schumacker, Ron Ruckman, Jonah Zeimans, Landon Trujillo, Gary Martin, Caskey Russell, Jaye Wacker, Jennica Fournier, Shane Atkinson, Lindsey Freeman, Christy Chadwick, and Rachael Esh for taking time to sit down and chat with me. If you are interested in hearing more about Rachel Esh and her books, check out our instagram page @thosewhocantteachanymore to see a video of her.  This podcast is funded in part by the Fund for Teachers Fellowship.

Russell Rainey is originally from Arkansas where he grew up enjoying the outdoors and getting exposed to many of his experiences through the Boy Scouts. It was one of his scouting experiences, at the age of 14, when he went to New Mexico and first saw the Rocky Mountains. He told me, “I came home from that trip, but I don't think I really came home. My heart was in the mountains at that point.” From that point forward it was a personal quest of his to go back to the mountains. As he got a little older he landed a job at a local shop called Take A Hike that sold mountaineering, backpacking, & hiking equipment in Arkansas. The owner of the shop encouraged him to go to a National Outdoor Leadership School, aka NOLS course in Colorado to enhance his outdoor knowledge and skills. This experience blew things wide open to the possibilities of working in the outdoor space.  His love for the big mountains soon led him to buy property near Wilson, WY where he built a small home for his wife and 2 kids. They moved there full-time and he began working for Exum Mountain Guides in the Teton area as well as teaching skiing at Grand Targhee. Although he was a self-described intermediate skier during this time, his time on the snow led him to want to attempt to create a better freeheel binding. This was the spark that led to the creation of his own company that would make some of the most iconic and important Telemark bindings of the last 3 decades. Russell created and sold the his Telemark bindings from the late 1980s until the early 2000s. From stainless steel toe plates, to the 6-hole mounting pattern, to many many other things…his impact is still seen in our bindings today. It was an absolute honor and a privilege to speak with him about his story, his bindings, and Telemark. Sign-up for the mailing list: https://bit.ly/FHLMailingList Connect with Josh and the Freeheel Life Family  Josh on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter  Telemark Skier Magazine on Instagram, Twitter and YouTube Freeheel Life on Instagram and Twitter Shop The Freeheel Life Telemark Shop  How You Can Support Us: Shop Telemark at  FREEHEELLIFE.COM Subscribe & Become a Supporter of TelemarkSkier.com for articles, gear reviews, & more! Email Podcast@freeheellife.com  

A night under the stars in the Himalayas. A lion hunt from a safari van in Africa. A dune climb in Morocco. Aayas Joshi '26 (the first Morehead-Cain Scholar from Nepal), Olu Kopano '26, and scholar host Elias Guedira '26 share about their global experiences on the Morehead-Cain International Gap Year. At the end of the episode, we also hear from current gap year scholars Abbey Beebe '27 about swimming in bioluminescent waters in the Caribbean Sea and Chandler Beals '27 from an airport in Las Vegas between trips.Morehead-Cain recipients are invited to consider taking a funded gap year between graduating high school and coming to the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Listen to the first gap year episode from last year: Gap year dispatch with Emile Charles '24 (and ft. Taylor Shinal '25, Mark Finamore '25, Asher Wexler '25, and Noah Gottlieb '25). Emile interned at a children's hospital in Cape Town, South Africa; visited his father's Caribbean home in St. George's, Grenada; worked on a global public health collaboration between the Carolina and the Malawi Ministry of Health; and organized Black Lives Matter protests in Chapel Hill.

Dave, Justys, and Jacob trade tales of transformational wilderness experiences, and discuss the origins and importance of expeditionary learning as a field.Dave Puig has been a wilderness instructor for fourteen years, leading expeditions in the desert, the Arctic, the wondrous Northwoods, and into the minds of authors, social critics, and high school students. He developed the expedition-based Land Ethics Curriculum at Youth Initiative High School which challenges students to see their own growth in reciprocity with their peers, those they see as different from themselves, and the earth. He also builds houses and lives on his wife's family farm where they are embarking on the incredible journey of parenthood!Justys Grenier is a Viroqua native, alumni of Youth Initiative High School, experiential educator and outdoor enthusiast. I grew up in the Driftless area and enjoyed a community supported upbringing while exploring the creeks and hills of our unique landscape. After a few years of traveling overseas, learning and growing into myself, I found a calling in outdoor education. For the last three years I have been working as an instructor at Voyageur Outward Bound School, leading trips with small groups of young people through the wilderness of the Boundary Waters, and through the Chihuahua desert of Big Bend, Texas. My desire for a change of pace and time to explore other interests has led me back to the Driftless area for the foreseeable future. Here I am learning carpentry and finding ways to engage with my community and give back with the knowledge and experience I have gained over the past few years.Outward Bound: https://www.outwardbound.org/National Outdoor Leadership School: https://www.nols.edu/en/Voyageur Outward Bound School: https://www.vobs.org/Learn more about Thoreau College and the microcollege movement: http://thoreaucollege.org/Driftless Folk School: https://www.driftlessfolkschool.org/

Patrick Hawkins is the founder of Triple Divide Lodge in Montana. Triple Divide Lodge is a 90-day program that combines residential treatment and wilderness therapy expeditions for boys ages 14-19. Patrick founded the program in 2021 and shares how this substance abuse treatment program works and how it differs from other wilderness programs. Patrick talks about what inspired him to work in wilderness therapy, including his over 25 years of working at the first-of-its-kind Wilderness Treatment Center. He shares the influences on the Triple Divide model, including Outward Bound and the National Outdoor Leadership School. Patrick reflects on how the field is changing, controversies related to the field, and what advice he has for people interested in working in wilderness therapy.   Patricks's bio from the Triple Divide Lodge website: Patrick Hawkins is a Licensed Addictions Counselor with over 25 years of experience. During his career, he has worked with over 5,000 young men in primary treatment. Since 1995, he has been dedicated to working with adolescents and young adults. With a national reputation, Patrick has presented at multiple conferences and is considered a leader in treating young men, especially in an outdoor/experiential type setting. He has led 50+ expeditions accumulating over 1,100 days in the backcountry guiding hundreds of clients on their journeys through the wilderness and into recovery. Patrick brings all this experience to the young men in treatment daily while also imparting it to the entire team.

Ciarán Willis speaks about his experiences leading up to the foundation of A Place Beyond, a unique approach to the remote learning boom prompted by the Covid-19 pandemic.Ciarán is currently the operations director at Deep Springs College. Prior to founding A Place Beyond, he was born and raised in Portland, Oregon and studied English Literature at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor. He lectured English at the University of Finance and Economics in Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia; and he is a faculty member at NOLS, instructing mountaineering, rock climbing, backcountry skiing, and adaptive leadership throughout the Western US and Alaska.Learn more about Thoreau College and the microcollege movement at https://thoreaucollege.org/Driftless Folk School: https://www.driftlessfolkschool.org/Deep Springs College: https://www.deepsprings.edu/A Place Beyond: https://www.aplacebeyond.com/National Outdoor Leadership School: https://www.nols.edu/en/

Kate Williams is the CEO of 1% for the Planet, an organization with more than 5,000 members who have each committed to giving one percent of their annual profit to an environmental nonprofit which aligns most closely with their values. Even if you don't run a business or aren't in a position to make this kind of commitment, everyone has a way to make their own contribution to making the world a better place, and Kate wants all of us to ask ourselves the question: what is your one percent? In today's episode, Kate shares what her journey in the realms of business, politics (she was the first female member of the board of Waitsfields, Vermont), and the nonprofit sector have consisted of to date and how she hopes to continue to make a meaningful impact on the world in the future. Whatever your one percent is, it matters!   Key Points From This Episode:When Kate was first introduced to 1% for the Planet, the organization she is now CEO of.Factors that she believes have been instrumental in the success of 1% for the Planet.Challenges that 1% for the Planet is currently facing (which are also major opportunities).The critical role of nonprofits in making the world a better place.How 1% for the Planet helps businesses find nonprofits they align with to donate to.The literal and figurative meaning of the one percent in 1% for the Planet.Kate explains how 1% for the Planet navigates through current fraught political times.How the 1% for the Planet model works, and why it is structured the way it is.What the ultimate goal of 1% for the Planet is.Kate's experience of serving on the board of the town of Waitsfield, Vermont.How her experience working in politics, business, and the nonprofit sector has shaped her into the leader that she is.Why Kate's mom is her hero.The shifting narrative change in the outdoor industry that Kate is excited about. How her experience with the National Outdoor Leadership School has impacted her life.A “final-four” round with Kate.Links Mentioned in Today's Episode:1% for the PlanetAnna and the Swallow ManEREMEREM on Instagram

Tori is perhaps best-known as the first woman and first American to row a boat solo across the Atlantic Ocean, having accomplished the feat in 1999 after 81 days at sea.    A decade earlier, she became the first woman and first American to ski to the geographic South Pole during a 50-day, 750-mile expedition.   Tori is author of the memoir, A Pearl in the Storm: How I Found My Heart in the Middle of the Ocean, which details her life and journey across the Atlantic.    The book is the basis of a stage musical, called, Row, which made its world premiere at the prestigious Williamstown Theatre Festival in Massachusetts in the summer of 2021.   New episodes of the Tough Girl Podcast go live every Tuesday at 7am UK time - Hit the subscribe button so you don't miss out.    Support the mission to increase the amount of female role models in the media. Visit www.patreon.com/toughgirlpodcast and subscribe - super quick and easy to do and it makes a massive difference. Thank you.   Show notes Who is Tori Growing up all over the east coast of the United States Spending a lot of time outside as a kid Having an intellectually disabled brother Bullying that she and her brother experienced in the past Going to Smith Collage and playing basketball Meeting Rita Benson who had been at Smith since World War II Learning to row and to ski Skiing to the South Pole a few years later Getting a degree in psychology Working in the National Outdoor Leadership School in Alaska Ending up at Harvard Divinity School More details about her skiing journey Falling in love with travelling in a very remote country Applying for the expedition team to the South Pole at the age of 24 The 750-mile journey across Antarctica Psychological challenges she experienced Being the first woman and the first American to reach the Geographic South Pole Having a cassette recorder and cassette tapes Solitude as the biggest challenge for them Talking more about Harvard Divinity School Wholeness in seeing nature Changes to her after the challenges and adventures Finishing Divinity School and returning to Louisville, Kentucky, Working with homeless people in Boston Going to law school Working for the mayor of Louisville Training rowing for the Olympic team Being too slow to make the Olympic team Signing up to do the Atlantic rowing race Being asked by a sponsor if she would consider rowing solo across the Atlantic Ocean Getting into more detail about the sponsorship in 1998 Being hit by the hurricane Danielle Hurricanes Dania and Earl Having an overwhelming sense of failure Spending almost a year working for Muhammad Ali Creating the Muhammad Ali Center Being lifted up by Muhammad when she was broken The difference between having a growth mindset and a fixed mindset “Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat.” - Theodore Roosevelt Her fears on her second journey Hurricane Lenny - first hurricane in recorded history to travel 1000 miles west-east Getting stuck out in the middle of nowhere for weeks Her book: A Pearl in the Storm: How I Found My Heart in the Middle of the Ocean Meeting and falling in love with her husband, Mac McClure Adventures in her life at the moment Final words of advice   Social Media   Website: https://spalding.edu/president/   Instagram: @torimurden   Facebook: www.facebook.com/torimurden Twitter: @toriposu   Book -  A Pearl in the Storm: How I Found My Heart in the Middle of the Ocean   

Dr. Joe Thomas serves as the Director, VADM James B. Stockdale Center for Ethical Leadership at the US Naval Academy.  A retired Marine, he served previously as the Class of 1961 Professor of Leadership Education at USNA and as Director, MajGen John A. Lejeune Leadership Institute at Marine Corps University. In addition he's taught at the University of Notre Dame, University of Maryland, George Washington University and the National Outdoor Leadership School. He has published five books on the topics of leadership and ethics, along with numerous articles, book chapters, and research reports.  Joe supported student research that led to the award of Rhodes, Mitchell, and Fulbright scholarships. Joe holds masters' degrees from the Maxwell School of Citizenship and Public Affairs at Syracuse University and the US Army War College, a PhD from George Mason University, and a Certificate in Public Leadership from the Brookings Institute.

Charles Ruechel started with adventure with his first whitewater canoe trip in the Yukon many years ago. He says it felt like he discovered kind of like a dirty little secret that no one else knew. Except for the really big adventures, and explorers. He realized that in order to do a really big adventure, let's say one that's like a month long, you're actually only completing a series of day long adventures 30 times. And he felt like this was an amazing secret that he wanted to share with people: that you can get far into the wilderness and do amazing trips with your friends and family and establish these amazing connections with people. And anyone really can do it. It's not actually that hard. (Assuming you have the right skills and equipment.) If you have the skills to be gone for a weekend, you have them to be gone for a month. That's where he started, in the Yukon, doing trips and working for the National Outdoor Leadership School for a while and also taking some training.  

Moe Carrick is on a mission to restore humanity to work one magnificent people leader at a time. She believes that people can and should thrive at work, and that when they do, organizations succeed. With over 30+ years of work in organizations on issues of partnership, leadership, inclusion, strategy and culture.  Moe believes that rigorous self-awareness, courage, honest dialogue, curiosity, compassion, accountability, and empathy are fundamentals to building full and inclusive partnerships based on trust and generosity.  Moe is Founder of Moementum, Inc. and holds a Master's Degree in OD, is a Certified Dare to Lead™ Facilitator, a Coach, and is administrator of a variety of tools in her trade. She is author of two bestselling books, FIT Matters: How to Love Your Job and Bravespace Workplace: Making Your Company Fit for Human Life. As a white, US-born, heterosexual woman, Moe strives to use her privilege with grace to surface assumptions that interfere with teams and to explore systemic patterns. Timestamp 1:32 How Patti and Moe met 2:09 Moe's background and her life journey 11:14 Moe shares her perspective in Dare to Lead training 15:37 On the fragility of the white woman 19:52 How did COVID-19 effected Moe's life 24:47 Things that Moe finds most fascinating to her 27:30 What does Moe sees as bright lights that shine in the future world Social Media Facebook https://www.facebook.com/leadforhumans/ Linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/moecarrick/ Website https://moecarrick.com/ Follow Patti Dobrowolski - Instagramhttps://www.instagram.com/upyourcreativegenius/ Follow Patti Dobrowolski - Linkedinhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/patti-dobrowolski-532368/ Up Your Creative Geniushttps://www.upyourcreativegenius.com/ Patti Dobrowolski 00:03 Hello superstars, welcome to the Up Your Creative Genius podcast, where you will gain insight and tips to stomp on the accelerator and blast off to transform your business and your life. I'm your host, Patti Dobrowolski. And if this is your first time tuning in, then strap in because this is serious rocket fuel. Each week, I interview fellow creative geniuses to help you learn how easy it is to Up Your Creative Genius in any part of your life.  Hey, everybody, it's Patti Dobrowolski with Up Your Creative Genius today, I have literally in my mind, a rock star here, Moe Carrick is here. She's on a mission to restore humanity to work, you know, and she does that one people leader at a time, but she does way more than that. And so I'm gonna let her tell a lot about herself. But let me just say that, you know, she's got a master's in OD. She was trained by Brene Brown and dare to lead, she's certified. She's a coach. She's working with people all around the world to help them step into their greatness really, and to make a safe workspace for other people.  And you're so amazing. You've got a couple of best selling books, Fit Matters: How to Love Your Job, and Bravespace Workspace. I remember when that came out. And I was so like, Well, yeah. So I know her because I met her through my partner Julia, who she was the coach at Nintendo, and came in there. And then I was grateful enough to be one of the TED speakers on when she was really running Ted in Bend, Oregon, which you still may be doing. I don't know. But I just want to say everybody get ready, buckle in, because you're gonna get some serious download here. Welcome, Moe. I'm so happy you're here. Moe Carrick 02:00 Oh, thank you, Patti. So good to be here. I just am so happy to be here. And I was laughing in my mind when you said and she's certified some like certifiable, I'm certifiable. That's for sure. Patti Dobrowolski 02:12 Well, you've made a lot of change. So you know, I definitely think we're all certifiable. After you get to a certain age. I either lock them away, or bring them out full force. Right. And you're full force. Moe Carrick 02:27 Yes, that's one way to think about it, I suppose. So happy to be here. Patti Dobrowolski 02:31 Yeah. Cool. Well, would you tell people about yourself, you know, I just gave your shortened bio, because there were so many other pretty words. And then or bio closest with, you know, I'm a white heterosexual woman trying to make a difference in the world. I'm like, Yes, you are. You are doing some great things on behalf of white women everywhere. So thank you for that. So, all right. Moe Carrick 02:54 So that's white woman. We got some issues, but. Patti Dobrowolski 02:57 Oh, God, no doubt. I'm living in Texas. Can we talk about it? Can we talk about it? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's serious. It's serious issues down here. Well tell us about you, tell us your story. Like where you came from? And then how did you get into doing what you're doing now? And etc? And then I'll ask some questions. Moe Carrick 03:18 thank you. So great. Well, it's funny that question like, how did you get into what you're doing now? Because I've been at it such a long time that it requires me to really go back, but it's something I've talked about. Patti Dobrowolski 03:29 30 plus years. Right? Moe Carrick 03:32 Yeah. But I have three millennial or Generation Z children. And each of them in their own way has asked like, there are different stages and the steps on and like, you know, how did you end up? Because I think in their mind, it's like, you just sort of magically appear of love. And it's like, no, that's not how it works. So because I never in my wildest dreams could have imagined doing the work that I do now. You know, do you feel that way, Patti? Like. Patti Dobrowolski 03:57 Yeah, like, who knew? I mean, you know, I was just a baby actor trying to scrape it together being a waitress, right? So to think that this, I mean, just in terms of all the experiences, right, so you too, but where did you grow up? Moe Carrick 04:11 Well, so I grew up on the East Coast. I was born in California, but my parents moved east when I was three. So I grew up in the Boston area. I lived in outside of Boston for most of my childhood, and I went to school in New Hampshire, New Hampshire, as they say, and I was an English major. So like, my passion was actually journalism. And also fiction. I love to read fiction and I think I had in my mind, like, someday I would write you know, the great American novel. Patti Dobrowolski 04:38 I'm sure it's still gonna happen. It's still gonna happen. Trust me. Moe Carrick 04:42 I enjoy reading it so much. And I end up reading business books, which are like nowhere near as interesting, but I was a wilderness guide. So when I was in college, like my passion was being in the outdoors and back then. I mean, there are still today, I'm sure lots of college experience programs that I had spent my summers with my dad In Yellowstone, he was an avid fly fisherman. So I grew up kind of loving the mountains of the West, living in New England, I really dreamed of, you know, going to the west.  And so I started with bicycle tours. I know you're a big cyclist. Yes, I worked for a great little company back when I was still in school called the biking expedition. Ah, we used to go right by, we used to ride right by the Ben and Jerry's headquarters, and we would eat like a pint of Ben and Jerry's. It was so good. But I went from there for bicycle guiding to working for Outward Bound, which I had been a student without rebound. And I really love the transformative experiences. And then I went on to work for Knowles, which is the National Outdoor Leadership School.  So over a period of like, I don't know, 10 years, I pretty much worked full time in the wilderness between college and kind of during grad school. And then after grad school, and I loved being out there with groups I loved. It's kind of where I cut my teeth on group work. And, you know, near the end of that time, I started to feel kind of burned out, you know, living out of my car and being outside as much as I was, although I loved it. I really did love the work.  The pay was, you know, a bit small, but a friend of mine, so I was in, I had enrolled in social work school, because I was therapists that work with chemically dependent kids and their families and all that work, but I was starting to kind of burn out. And so a friend of mine was studying OD, organizational development, and she was like, You should come with me to school.  It's really interesting. It's like therapy for adults. At work? So I went to school with her for the day, like I just tagged along, and I was blown away, because I just felt like there's this whole world of people at work, who need help, and leaders who need help figuring out like, how to make work hospitable, you know, for human life. That was back in the 80s. And so, you know, I often say we knew then what we know. Now we are not having necessarily made a lot of progress. But we've made some. Patti Dobrowolski 06:57 Definitely not enough. Moe Carrick 06:59 Yeah, not enough. But I did pivot at that point. I was like, Okay, I'm not gonna become a clinician, I'm gonna go to my master's in OD. And then when I finished grad school, I jumped ship completely. I always joked that I turned in my back then we were like polypropylene, you know, my bonds and my polypropylene. And I put on suits, you know, back then we had like. Patti Dobrowolski 07:20 I remember how Yeah, and you had to like, and you could wear the little tie thing around your neck or not, right? Remember? I never was a man's tie. I'd put that on and then my boss would be like, No, you're not going out like that. I mean, I love nature hair. Moe Carrick 07:39 I would have been great. I hated those bolts. Like what do you do you put a bow like. Patti Dobrowolski 07:45 A bow on it. Just put put a bow on. Right. So then you started to work in OD? Moe Carrick 07:52 I did. I did. I worked in the Seattle area. But then I was in Seattle. And I was working for a company called cost dialer, which was one and yeah, it was a OD but kind of for full, you know, you take the job you can get right. So the jobs that I was training, how to use a billing system, which was not very sophisticated. OD. But it was really interesting. Because the system that we were working was on the next computer do. Patti Dobrowolski 08:18 Oh my god, that is incredible. Moe Carrick 08:22 We were like the only company that ever implemented anything. Jobs is the next. Patti Dobrowolski 08:26 Yes, of course. Moe Carrick 08:27 Is we're like this big, you know. Patti Dobrowolski 08:29 Yes. Moe Carrick 08:29 But it was a really good job for me, like got me over the hump of you know, being in the wilderness. And then now I was in corporate America. And you know, I had a lot of negative feelings about people in corporate America, because I had come from the nonprofit social services side. And here, I found myself with these people that actually were really interesting people making change happen in the world, but they had kind of more means, you know, really. Patti Dobrowolski 08:53 They just made money. That's what I always tell people, you know, you want to go into corporate if you want to make money, you want to feed yourself. Moe Carrick 09:01 Yeah, absolutely. So I made that transition and kind of worked, you know, internally for a number of years, and then in 2001 went out on my own. Patti Dobrowolski 09:08 Oh, 2001. That's so fantastic. I love that. Oh, that's so great. And so now you have really evolved what you've done, right? I mean, you did OD before and I don't know when I came across you maybe 2005 around there 2005 or 2006. And you were doing not traditional OD you would come and facilitate the C level leaders right in their off sites. Moe Carrick 09:38 Right. A lot of offsites and a lot of I would say I was probably I was like your classic custom consultant, you know, I would come in and assess the situation, diagnose them and work with them. Often. I would work with clients for a long period of time, you know, once a year during a period of big transition. So like when I met Julie and Nintendo that's when they went from 2 billion to 8 billion you know, when it was like Super exciting time to consult to them. And so that's kind of what I did for a long time. Because in consulting, I always joke it was basically trading time for money. Patti Dobrowolski 10:08 Yeah, yeah, no doubt, I would agree. I would go around the world and train people in change management. And that's really what I did you know, but I got really good at facilitating in that experience, like you learn how to listen, well, you learn how to move people along, I think, you know, I'm probably more demanding and command than you are in the corporate space, because I really like an outcome at the end, because I'm drawing a picture, it's got to look pretty, right, and got to be finished in some way. So. Moe Carrick 10:50 Don't you think that even Patti, like even when you're drawing, I think one of the things I've always appreciated about you when I've seen you work, and I feel it's like this skill that I've gained by accident as well, which is like you're holding space, which you wouldn't think you're doing much when you're holding space, but like it's so big to hold space and get to that outcome or move those people forward? You're not necessarily doing anything? No, but you're doing so much. Patti Dobrowolski 11:14 Well, and I think this idea of holding space, I was talking to a couple that we had dinner with and we were talking about how do we create change in terms of race and equity, and I was saying, you know, we need to actually have tolerate, and have conversations that are really uncomfortable. And you've gotten very good at that. I mean, that's how I know you is that you are willing to go to the really hard places and hold space. And also help people come to, I would say their senses, but a deeper sense of what is happening in the room. So, you know, say a little bit about what you learned in the Dare to Lead training, and then also what you've been doing around equity and inclusion, because I think people will be very interested to hear that, from your perspective. Moe Carrick 12:11 Thank you. Well, you know, dare to lead. And I started with my relationship with Brene Browns content when it was the daring way. Patti Dobrowolski 12:19 Yes. Moe Carrick 12:20 And what happened to me I had one of those experiences, I'm sure you've had them where I read one of her books, I didn't know who she was from BU. I had, of course been working in emotional intelligence for a long time. And then I read someone gave me one of her books, the Gifts of Imperfection. Patti Dobrowolski 12:33 Yes. Moe Carrick 12:33 And I was like, I'm not a perfectionist, you know, come on. Patti Dobrowolski 12:36 This isn't gonna attach me. Moe Carrick 12:38 No, exactly. And I read it and like four pages, and I'm like, That is me, you know, that is me. And she there was a term she used in that book that really touched me. And it was this it was hustling for worthiness, oh, worthiness. And I was like, Who is this person? Like, that's me. I'm like, tapping. Patti Dobrowolski 12:57 That, made me shiver. That's how much it was, oh, yeah. Moe Carrick 13:01 Me too. And so I started researching her. And at that time, she was, you know, certifying people in a daring way. And I went, I mean, I don't know how I got in, I just, and it was really pretty mind blowing for me, because she was the first person that I've had experience with, in the space of OD work. That was a woman who was like kicking ass. Patti Dobrowolski 13:21 She, she really, really is on her game. Moe Carrick 13:25 Totally. Patti Dobrowolski 13:26 And there's no BS there at all. Moe Carrick 13:28 And there's no there's very few other women in our space who are doing that. Now at that time, she was like, it was mostly therapists, there were about 20 of us in my cohort that were OD just like you guys, wait, I got a book. It's coming for you, you know. And then a few years later, Derek lead came out kind of slightly different body of research. And so I just moved into that work. And I still find that, you know, for me, that work now is a little bit like, you know, when you buy a new car, and you've never seen like a bright yellow, Volkswagen, but. Patti Dobrowolski 13:57 Then you see it everywhere. You know, that's the reticular activating system, you know, in action, that's a part of your brain that it has its own Google algorithm. So when you see something, and that calls it to your brain, and that's why I tell people put the picture of your future somewhere, you can see it every day because it taps the reticular activating system, and it'll pull all the things in the future to you. And you'll see them everywhere. So yeah, so I bet that then you started to see it. Moe Carrick 14:26 Then everywhere. I feel like now in everything I do, I can't get away from courage, vulnerability and shame. I'd like everything with her again, building shame. But I think especially in this work, you know, around diversity, equity, inclusion, belonging and justice, you know, we have to be so brave in that work. And I think, you know, being in the culture of whiteness, and in the culture of the white feminine.  We have some real work to do about what it looks like to stand in grounded competence to shepherd other people's stories to not set to ourselves, and to not be so fragile that we can't actually get a walk through. So I think my feeling is that courage is essential for all of the hard things, you know, that we want in our lives, including partnerships with people that are different than us and effective teams and companies that can meet their mission. And it's all kind of part of the thing.  That's why don't deliver as much like straight here to LEED certifications, and no, no, of course not. I'm a bit cute. And ubiquity. Yeah, what I would say is that it feels like that that's sort of like, you know, that's sort of the compost in the ground that you stand on. Right? Yeah. Patti Dobrowolski 15:37 And so you marinate in that, and that everything else has sprung from some of the concepts there and these other things that I know to be true about you before you did that. You know, I knew you before that time, and then I knew you after.  So I think that one of the things that I'm curious about is when you talk about the fragility of the white woman say more about that, because I'm gay, and we are not fragile. I mean, we are and you can't believe how fragile I've become this year. And so I've really cracked open into that place. But you know, that's the myth is that the gay woman is we're not fragile. Come on, we put up with too much. And we're not going back. Right. But speak to that, because I think that's interesting. I want to know more about that. Moe Carrick 16:25 Well, yeah. And it's funny because like, I use the word fragile in terms of how white women are often enculturated I don't think white women, but actually are fragile, like, Patti Dobrowolski 16:34 No, correct. Moe Carrick 16:35 Gay and straight. Like, they're tough as nails. Right? They give birth, they raise money, they do hard things. I think what's happened, though, and this is, you know, there's of course, people that have researched this, like Deborah Tannen and others, and then there's just most philosophy, right? But what I see play out over and over again, at work, but at home as well is that, you know, it has to do with how we navigate emotion. And I think men and women are acculturated really differently. Men are in culture, that there's one emotion they can feel and express and that is. Patti Dobrowolski 17:06 Anger. Moe Carrick 17:06 Anger. Exactly. And Jennifer Bosa, who's a University of Florida researcher, she talks about this beautiful expression she uses, she says, you know, men have a very narrow band of masculinity. What's acceptable to be masculine is very narrow, and it's basically you can be pissed off, but can't be much else. You know, Boys Don't Cry, man up all that stuff.  So we see the masculine caricature and masculine traits around emotion being really narrow. Women, white women in particular are in culture to really differently, you know, I remember as a child, none of you remember this, but I remember being given a pretty wide swath of emotional expression, I could cry, I could laugh and giggle and be funny and silly.  But what I couldn't do is be angry. Right? That's so what we see is an acculturation of women who get a message that they should be supportive, right, the helper kind of model and they should not ever be angry. And so what happens is we subvert I think a lot of our real feelings into look like other things. Like that's why women, people come to me at work all the time bosses, and they'll say, you know, I don't like meeting with women and giving hard feedback because they cry and they you know, they're so sad and like, they're not sad. They're pissed. Patti Dobrowolski 18:19 Yeah, they just express it in a different way. Right? Yeah, that's right. Moe Carrick 18:25 Because the question so I think what happens is and when we see what's happening, the DEI space of course, we see white women who become woke, let's say a white heterosexual, middle class woman becomes woke, she starts to realize, oh, man, like, I've been upholding patriarchy, I'm part of oppression, I didn't know it.  And they feel terrible. I mean, that feels like crap. When you start to wake up and you get shamed, triggered, you get to feel like, that means I'm not worthy. And so then we become, like, I actually call it empty vessel syndrome, which is we become completely clear, like we go from being well educated, intelligent, articulate women to like, I know nothing. Patti Dobrowolski 19:03 Yeah. Moe Carrick 19:03 And we turn to black and brown people, to gay people, to queer people and trans people and disabled people. And we basically say, I know nothing. You tell me everything. Patti Dobrowolski 19:12 Instead of instead of Oh, educate yourself. Find out, have a hard conversation, but not asking somebody to do it for you. Moe Carrick 19:24 Exactly. And also notice your own story. Yeah. It's your own story. And I mean, I can really I don't think I even knew I was white until I was 24, which is kind of late like you'd think that would be. Patti Dobrowolski 19:34 Yeah. Moe Carrick 19:35 Getting in touch with my heterosexuality took me a few more years after that. Patti Dobrowolski 19:39 Yeah, like, Moe Carrick 19:40 Oh, I'm freak. I'm white. I'm middle class. That's who I am. And so what does that mean to how I show up more? Because if we can't be grounded in our own identity, we can't partner. Patti Dobrowolski 19:52 Oh, it's so true. And I think that most of us, we don't spend time thinking about that, you know, recently I had to look at you know, the non binary whole thing that's happening in the world? And I thought, Well, I've always been non binary. I mean, do I need to change my pronouns? Do I need to come out as trans? Do I need to, I had to, like, investigate these things for myself, because otherwise, I was making assumptions that I was going to stay the same. And that's not how we grow and change.  And that really was hard, and it ripped me open. And I ever have memories, you know, from very young, and I thought, wow, this is life at its best. And I know, from a spiritual perspective, you know, my essence, it was like, Yes, we're having this experience, you're freaking out. I love this, because that means you're going to crack open and be more love.  Right. And I think that's part of what we have during COVID Is that we have this cracking open, and this going inward, which we haven't had in a long time. And so say what you have experienced during COVID? Because I'm curious, like, how did it impact you, your business? Your family? Moe Carrick 21:07 It's been tough. It's been tough for all of us. You know, for me, I call it the great tie off, because I watched my business just Yeah, off the calendar, you know, March of 2021. Like, oh, oh my God. Now I have four employees, I have zero revenue, like, what are we gonna do? Like, I've always traveled for work. That's, you know, been how I had gigs set up for a year in advance, and that just all died. And I did panic.  I mean, I was like, what does this mean? But I also knew that my team was depending on me, you know, so I went into just some shame, like I was sitting with, I'm not worthy. I'm too old to pivot this business. I don't know what that looks like. And then I kind of God, you know, I spoke about that with some people that can handle my unworthiness, you know, and, and got it together enough to talk to my team.  And I basically said, you know, I don't know how we're going to survive this, but I know that we are, I had one team member that was out on maternity one, that's Canadian who had just come back just under the, you know, so. Yeah, so we had to reinvent the business, which was hard and scary. You know, 2020 was definitely a revenue dip. 2021 bounce back really strong, because we moved more to a program model, you know, stuff. Patti Dobrowolski 22:16 Yeah, stuff online. Moe Carrick 22:17 Yeah. Which is not anywhere near as connecting, but it's had some beautiful upsides. Like, I just love being in my own town, you know, do the hobbies that I have, like, I just love that. But I also have it you know, these three kids I mentioned, it's been hard on them. You know, I had one that was a freshman when COVID hit, they are really just beginning to come out of that anxiety place. I've got, you know, we have recovery in our family. It's been hard emotionally on all of us. And Patti Dobrowolski 22:46 kind of, and you lost your mom in the middle of this. Moe Carrick 22:49 Yes, we lost my mom and my father in law we had to. My other one was from COVID. But I think we had lucky with my mom. I mean, not lucky, it's horrible that she died. But we were lucky in the sense that we could be there. You know, my father in law was not we weren't able to visit, you know, and I just think that was really hard for my husband and his widow and stuff.  And, and yeah, that took up a lot of my 2021 was caring for my mom who had my mom had, what do they call it? It's basically medication induced dementia, she had a broken wrist, and then a broken hip and all the narcotics brought her dementia on full force. I didn't even know that was a thing. And so she, you know, my mom's worst fear was to lose her mind in a passive care setting. And that's exactly what happened.  So for me, I was grateful that I was her caregiver, I could be here with her and with her when she died, but, you know, that changes your point of view. So I feel like it's been a transformative period, but also a scary period. And then, of course, on the worksite. And I know a lot of your listeners are in some transition, and we're seeing what everybody's calling the great resignation. I call it the great reframe, you know, yeah, me too. Yeah, they're looking at work. They're like, what? Patti Dobrowolski 24:01 You want to pay me what? To do? What I'd rather start my own business, right? Moe Carrick 24:06 Absolutely. Like, wait a minute, this shouldn't suck. And that's what I've always said, like workplace should not stop. Patti Dobrowolski 24:12 That's right. That's what you're all about. Yeah. And you should feel good. Moe Carrick 24:16 You should feel good. And so for employers and employees alike, for me, it's it's a wonderful time to re to really reshape our relationship with work. And of course, it's hard, very difficult to do in a capitalist society. But I find myself energized by the stories I'm seeing and the way companies I mean, I feel bad for business leaders, because they're like, oh, but on the other hand, they're having to change fundamentally, the cultures that they create in order to be better for people. Patti Dobrowolski 24:46 Well, yeah, and to retain there are people I think this has been the biggest challenge and people will say, we can't keep people I go, Well, you can't keep it well, because you don't have a good workplace environment. And why don't you have that because you never really spent the time to build that, and that takes attention, focus, love, courage, all those things that you talked about.  And then once you have those, and you want to have a good product to whatever it is, if you're in that kind of a service industry or a product industry, that has to be good, too. And then your customers have to be happy and everything's changed so much. It's so up in the air that I wonder, you know, when you think about the work that you're doing now, what is it that most fascinates you? Because the thing that catches your attention? You say, Yeah, more of that. I want to do more of that. Moe Carrick 25:35 Well, I love that question so much. I think there's two things. One is like, I am really captivated by young leaders. You know, like, I'm a baby boomer, and we are acids are entering this workforce, you know, and it is time but we have not nor have the generation xers we've not done a good job handing off the baton. And it's time. It's time. So I see these young people coming in with so many more skills at inclusion. Patti Dobrowolski 26:03 I know well, just smarter. Moe Carrick 26:06 They're smarter. Patti Dobrowolski 26:07 They are like a whole people, Moe Carrick 26:09 They're whole people, they're flexible, they're curious, you know, they have a global perspective, that is mind blowing. So to me, that's super exciting. And my team is young. And I'm so grateful for that. Because I mean, they kind of treat me a little bit like the wise old elder. And I struggle a little bit with even some of the technologies that we use. I'm like, wait, tell me about notion or slack? Like, what do I do? You know, but I'm learning.  So I think young people is just a huge a huge thing for me. The other thing that's exciting for me, but it's also kind of terrifying is a lot of our clients. So as you know, my company was a B Corp for many years, we didn't let that go in 2021, just because it's a lot of work to keep it going. But we have a real passion for business as a force for good. So we've always gravitated more towards private companies, because the public company Leadership Challenge is just so untenable. I mean, you just can't make money up into the right over and over. That's not the natural world war. Patti Dobrowolski 27:01 No. Moe Carrick 27:02 So we do work. And in COVID, we've worked a lot in both healthcare and education. Patti Dobrowolski 27:07 Yeah. Moe Carrick 27:07 And those systems from a, you know, systems thinker in a leadership perspective, they are so broken. Patti Dobrowolski 27:14 I was gonna say broken, and but I didn't know if I could get it out of my lips. Because they are and me too. That's where I've been healthcare and working with education because it is broken. Moe Carrick 27:25 But people are not broken in. Patti Dobrowolski 27:27 Oh, no, the people are. Moe Carrick 27:28 The systems are broken. Patti Dobrowolski 27:30 It's devastatingly broken. So yes. And I think to get into that, like, like, that's a whole topic unto itself, because there are some amazing people that are working to heal that so that it is for the neurodiverse child. And that's what needs to happen. You know, and I think that people don't understand that they think, oh, you know, they're artistic. They're not going to be I mean, like, look, this is the world we live in now.  Right? We messed up the food chain. We fed people to food, and then it shows up in these ways. And we think, Well, how did that happen? Well, yeah. Okay. So you know, these are the ripple effects of it. But I wonder when you think about that, when you envision the future of what you're going to be doing, and what you see out there, the bright light out there, not that bright light, but the bright lights of the really amazing world that we're going to step into, what do you see as part of it? Moe Carrick 28:36 Well, I would say probably two main things that I see when I dream ahead, right. One is leaders who are Through and Through good for people. Yeah, like and you've used the word love a couple of times, Patti today, and I love that you're using that word, because, for me, that's what leadership at its best is all about. It's like leaders who have the capacity to open their heart create real connection.  And I don't mean just leader by positional authority. I think of even a leader in the classroom, my son is substitute teaching, and he told me the story yesterday about a little boy, he was in second grade, this little boy had a scab on his knee. And he said he had to go see the nurse, but the nurse was on break. So my son took him for a walk.  And he said, Tell me, how bad is your pain? scab on his knee? Not an open. My son said it's a one to 10 You know, and he said it's definitely 10. And he was like, well, let's talk about that. They're really like, what about if you actually broke your leg? That might be more but then you know, but what I what struck me about that is that, in this case, leader, my son, substitute teacher had an opportunity for 15 minutes to make a difference to a little boy who's nice, gab was the most important thing for him.  And I think that you know, so when I get excited about the future of the workplace, I think about leaders at every single level who actually have the capacity to love and to connect, not an That unhealthy HR way, but like in a real way that activates the greatness of people. Like that's mind bogglingly exciting to think about. And the other piece, I think, is that people have lives that work that human beings in every sector, including the really dirty, hard, ugly jobs, that they to actually have a life that works. Because we need, you know, we need people to show our horses, and to clean out our drains and serve food, we need those people. But we act like they are not people. Patti Dobrowolski 30:31 Yeah, we act like their slaves. Really, that's what's true. We just treat them like that coming in the house and do the thing by see you later. And I remember one of the great things that I learned living in New York, from the woman that I lived with, there was our production stage manager. And she tipped everybody. And, you know, I took that to heart. And so when ever anybody brings something to our house, I tip them, because they need to know that I appreciate them.  And that I'm not going to take them for granted at minimum wage. And I think that if minimum wage stays where it is, and we continue to treat people like that, just because they don't look like us. They don't have the education we do, or that they're just in a job like that. I mean, I did those jobs. I know you did, too. We did those jobs, we cleaned people's houses. So you know, it's not that far in the past. And if you've never had that experience, go clean somebody's house and see how you like it. Right? You have to really have compassion and empathy for what people are doing to make your life easier. Yes, during COVID, you got to really see that I think, you know, Moe Carrick 31:45 And these health care workers, you know, like, they're just dealing with such bad behavior, oh, waitresses, and waiters who are just getting sexually harassed. Like, we just have a lot. Patti Dobrowolski 31:56 I was thinking about the flight attendants to where people are getting disruptive on the plane, I'm like, please, people sit down. They are not your mother, or father or whoever beat you up, or whatever happened to you that before you came into this plane, please, please just relax. Moe Carrick 32:12 Yeah, yeah. And be compassionate, you know, for ourselves and for others. You know, it seems when I say it out loud, I even look at myself, you probably do this to Kylie. Sometimes I'm like, Oh, God, no, you're just in your mind or like in llama land, you know, but I really am not like I really believe that, that workplaces can be fit for human life, and that there's a place for everyone. You know, there is a place for every worker to bring their good stuff and have it activated. And I just think that we've lost our ability to kind of acknowledge Yeah, in my own sight. Oh, there. Patti Dobrowolski 32:46 Yeah. I love that. I think that when we think about the future, what we would want for myself, I think, oh, you know, even I'm listening to myself, just like the last two minutes. And I think, yeah, you better like work on that. Because that seems like you're like running some sort of program in there. So drop that. And see if you can't drop into a space where you can empathize for both sides here. For the people who can't step up, and the people who can, and the people who are on the receiving end.  I mean, I think that that's what it calls on us is to raise our emotional intelligence so high, that we are look first to see and then look less to judge, look less to judge what's happening in yourself or somebody else, to calm yourself down. You know, do whatever PQ Rep Positive Intelligence thing you can do to get yourself from the back to the front. And, you know, and then step around, apologize, say what's true.  And so if I offended anyone who's listening today, by what I said, or I didn't say the right thing, I just want to apologize in advance and you could write me an email, you know, but I am with Moe. And so she's about creating momentum. And so when you think about creating momentum in the world, what kind of momentum are you interested in creating and what would you tell other people about how they can create momentum? Moe Carrick 34:15 Yeah, it's interesting, because I've noticed and COVID is like, brought this up even more for me, Patti, but like, I definitely narrowed my focus I become more capable of claiming that my theater is work. Like it's work you know, it's the world of work is the one that captivates me in all sectors, but in some like we've talked like in particular. So for me, part of what momentum means is like being able to keep our selves grounded, even when work is not that fun. Because there's still value that we can add and I did a social media posted something about this a couple weeks ago was really interesting kind of attention. It was about how I think that it's BS that we incur Young people were starting to follow their passion. One of my staff members said to me, we were talking about it. And she said, Well, the reason we do that is that our mothers told us that we this is a generation. Patti Dobrowolski 35:10 That's right. Moe Carrick 35:10 Yeah, yeah, our mother told us we could do anything we wanted, that we should hold out until we, you know, found our passion. And I'm like, Yeah, but that's cool. Because like, you put my past. Patti Dobrowolski 35:20 You can't hold out that long. It's not gonna magically appear, you got to work your way up the ladder. And that's right. Moe Carrick 35:28 My passions, me fulfill my life, like I love you've probably seen I write all the time about my horse, who I love and all that I'm never gonna make money as a horse person, like, I'm not that good, you know, but I can indulge that passion. And so I think sometimes we have to put ourselves in the mindset of saying, Okay, this job, or this life circumstance, or this city I'm living in isn't maybe my highest and best right now.  But it's putting me forward, it's giving me a thing that says that I'm learning that I'm growing, that I'm meeting new people, and it's gonna lead me to a different thing. So I think that's for me, what we're meant to me is like being able to tolerate this somewhat uncomfortable now, for the sake of what No, it will bring for us, you know, Patti Dobrowolski 36:10 tolerate the somewhat uncomfortable now, with the knowledge that something great is coming. Right may not be now, but wow, that is, that is deep, that's boom, Mic drop. I mean, it really, it really is, because no matter what age you are, or where you are in your career, or your life, you know, it's not always pretty, I think this is the thing, the myth that we get fed is that, you know, you have this thing, and then it becomes this thing. And it's like, magnificent, and then it remains there.  But in fact, that's not how the world works. It goes like this up and down, and up and down, and up and down. And that resiliency really is key. If you can be resilient to change, you got it. That's it, and that even resiliency changes and the level and degree, and all the hard places inside of yourself. Moe Carrick 37:06 Well, yes, and Patti, I've been doing a lot of work on resilience, as I'm sure you have. And I looked up the word, I don't know, year ago, whatever. And I was really interested to find out that it's a physics term that describes when metal in particular gets deformed. Like it's about our ability to bounce to retake our previous shape, you know, when we get bent out of it. And I think that. Patti Dobrowolski 37:28 When we get bent out of our shape, you get your hearing that right? When you get bent out of shape. So you can reform. Moe Carrick 37:36 Bend to reform, and it may not be the same. In fact, it probably isn't going to be the same when can be done with my co author on my first book Fit Matters: How to Love Your Job, when we were researching our book, one of the things that we thought was a brilliant idea then, and I still do now was that we realized in our interviews in our research that we did identify seven things that people need from work. And those seven things are temporarily sensitive. They change over time. Patti Dobrowolski 38:02 Yeah, they changed over time. Moe Carrick 38:03 What I needed when I was 20 is really different than what I need now at 60. And to me, there's just so much grace, in like, acknowledging and be able to say, you know, wow, right now, this is meeting my needs, because it's allowing me to blank, whatever, and it won't be forever. It will only be for now. Patti Dobrowolski 38:23 And what what a great way of approaching things, I think, is to realize that for this moment, right now, you're in a space where this works. But that space will be transitory. So be sure to appreciate everything that you're experiencing good, bad, indifferent, right? So I can't wait to talk to you again. And I just love you so much. I respect you so much. I'm just in this conversation, I think of the other conversations we've had and how I've grown and changed as a result of listening to you. And so for those of you that are listening, you know, be sure to connect with Moe, she has one of the best posts almost every day you post something right? And they're so interesting, and they take you on a journey. So if you want to evolve and change and be a better leader, you know, follow Moe Carrick because she'll get you some momentum, that's for sure. Moe Carrick 39:26 Well, thank you, Patti. And I want to count right back at you because you have been a real inspiration for me, always, ever since I've known you all those years ago. Because of the visual nature of your work. We use digital recording in our work, you've trained my people, and it's changed everything about how we think and when you launch your podcast, which I'm so honored to be part of. It really is Barbie because I tried to start a podcast in 2020 I interviewed three famous people and then I never launched them. It's like I'm so embarrassed, but I just didn't have it together.  Like I was not ready, and then I've been following your podcast and I just, it's only a few months ago, I said to my team, okay, we're launching the podcast and it doesn't have to be perfect. Like, just don't do it, you know. So you're truly inspiring. And it's especially inspiring for like, that the expression you use of creative genius, like a really that deeper work. That takes us some time to get there. But it's so important. And for me, you know, as someone who has plenty of things to occupy my mind, I can easily fritter away my creative genius on stupid things. But to really tune in and be like, no, actually no, hang in there. The good stuff is coming is really powerful. And you inspire me to be. Patti Dobrowolski 40:38 Oh, thank you so much. Well, I just think that this is the time the time is now. And the opening is now for all of us to step into more of our creative genius. There's no better time than now to start your business to change how you are as a leader to, you know, make friends with people you never thought you would to move to a country. You know, I was gonna say a country, but to a state where you never thought you'd live right? This is the time to do it and know that you can do it. And so I thank you for this time together. And I look forward to doing this again, because this is going to be so fun. All right. Moe Carrick 41:15 Thanks, Patti. Patti Dobrowolski 41:16 All right. Talk to you soon, Moe. All right, everybody, you know the drill, please follow Mo and you know, in the show notes, you'll see all of her social media that you can get in on what she's doing because she's amazing. Okay, until next time Up Your Creative Genius. Let's do this. Thanks so much for listening today. Be sure to DM me on Instagram your feedback or takeaways from today's episode on Up Your Creative Genius. Then join me next week for more rocket fuel. Remember, you are the superstar of your universe and the world needs what you have to bring. So get busy. Get out and Up Your Creative Genius. And no matter where you are in the universe, here's some big love from yours truly Patti Dobrowolski and the Up Your Creative Genius Podcast. That's a wrap.

The National Outdoor Leadership School, or NOLS, has been operating in Alaska since 1971 This week's Outdoor Explorer highlights the many influences NOLS has had on Alaska and the outdoor industry. We'll be joined by John Gans, former NOLS President, and Ashely Wise, current NOLS Alaska Operations Manager.

So...funny story. My guest in this episode not only has a mind-blowing story to share but also the dubious distinction of having dated me more than 20 years ago. Don't worry--she exercised much better judgment in the years that followed!  Lindsay Nohl is just glad to be alive. There were many moments over the past two years when she was not at all sure that she would be much longer. Lindsay's story is one of profound mental, emotional, and physical anguish, a remarkable recovery, a new lease on life, and a new outlook on life, too. And Lindsay courageously brings her whole ordeal and what she's learned from it to this conversation to encourage and serve all of us.  This episode is packed with insight about choosing courage in the face of fear, the sacredness of the present moment, the power of empathy, and how Mortality can propel us to live with even more guts, gusto, and abandon.    A Word of Warning This is a tremendously life-affirming story. But the journey to "life-affirming" passes through a prolonged season of desperation, when suicide was on the table for Lindsay. For some of you, this part of the story might hit too close to home, so I wanted to be sure you were aware in advance that it would come up if you tune in to the full episode.     Meet Lindsay Nohl Lindsay currently lives in Victor, Idaho with her two dogs Owen & Brady, where she serves as executive director of a non-profit called Mountain Bike the Tetons. She is also a mountain bike coach and certified life coach (CLC).  Prior to moving to the Tetons, Lindsay spent 18 years working for the National Outdoor Leadership School, or NOLS, as a field instructor, director of the Southwest program, and in other administrative roles in Arizona and Wyoming. She's a life-long athlete, and her initial passion for soccer carried into her early twenties. After attempts at playing soccer professionally, she dove headfirst into various outdoor sports like rock climbing, canyoneering, caving, and more recently, mountain biking. Today, her favorite outdoor adventures are long bikepacking trips in the desert southwest.    Reduced to Ashes In August 2019, Lindsay's 8-year relationship with her partner was coming apart. Then, on a routine pre-run lap of a mountain bike race course, she crashed, landed on her face, and split her chin open. She got checked out, stitched up, and sent on her way. The visible injuries healed up, and she moved on.  Two weeks later, though, while talking to a friend at a social gathering, things started to get weird. In the middle of the conversation and from out of nowhere, “kill yourself, kill yourself” popped into her head. And things quickly went downhill from there.  Over the next nine months, Lindsay's life burned to the ground in a conflagration of anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation, and bizarre physical symptoms. She hid her household knives from herself--painfully aware that the impulse to kill herself could at any time get the best of her. She lost her job of 18 years along the way, too, a consequence of both the deteriorating COVID situation and her own debilitated mental, emotional, and physical state.  She wasn't eating, her gut was in shambles, and she lost 15 lbs. She couldn't perform some of the most basic life tasks. A laundry list of antidepressants and anti-anxiety meds weren't up to the task of righting Lindsay's ship. She checked herself into a behavioral health center to be placed on suicide watch and did a stint in a treatment center, too. Nothing provided relief or a glimmer of hope for a better future.  If you are having suicidal thoughts, contact the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 1-800-273-8255 for support and assistance from a trained counselor. If you or a loved one are in immediate danger, call 911.   The Tide Begins to Turn Then, mercifully, when the last fragile threads of hope were almost gone, the tide began to turn in Lindsay's favor. An integrative medicine doctor helped Lindsay heal her gut through nutrition, and gradually Lindsay's physical and mental health began to improve. So much so, in fact, that she was able to drive and ride her bike again. Then, a therapist helped Lindsay realize that her fall on the bike 9 months earlier had in fact given her a traumatic brain injury (TBI), and the TBI was substantially complicit in causing her descent into mental, emotional, and physical hell. Until that moment, neither Lindsay nor anyone else supporting her through the ordeal had seen the connection.  And this time, the right medication became the final piece in the puzzle of Lindsay's recovery. On May 23, 2020, within 48 hours of beginning to take Wellbutrin, Lindsay texted her dad:  “Dad, I feel normal today. I'm cleaning the house and not really tired. And I feel ‘happy.' It feels crazy. I think the Wellbutrin is working." Wellbutrin is a norepinephrine and dopamine re-uptake inhibitor (NDRI), and it works by making the neurotransmitters norepinephrine and dopamine available to the brain's neurons for longer. (from verywellmind.com) “It was so clear to me that I had a dopamine issue in my brain with how fast that stuff worked for me,” said Lindsay. “It was like the key went in the lock and I turned back on, you know, as a human.”   Like the Phoenix Rising from the Ashes It has been an upward spiral from that point forward. Lindsay feels 95% normal again, with the main lingering symptom being diminished short-term memory.  “I'm like the Phoenix rising from the ashes here. And I have the ability to put the pieces back in any way I can...As the months have gone on, I've thought a lot about what decisions am I--I make decisions every day, many times a day and are those moving me in the direction I want to go with my life, you know? And so when everything's gone, it makes you think a lot about what you want.” Lindsay has put the pieces of her life together in impressive fashion--including getting back on her bike and conquering races more challenging than any she'd tackled pre-TBI.    Transferable Lessons The point of this podcast is to help us all tap into the power of our Mortality to become the people we were made to be and live the lives we were made to live--to equip us with the mindset and the means to live with guts, gusto, and abandon. And to do so BEFORE a crisis hits because then it's too late. So, what transferable lessons are available to us from Lindsay's story that we can put into action in our own lives right now?  Live in Community: Lindsay's friends and family were rock-solid supports for her through every grueling step of her ordeal. She says they literally saved her life.  Treat Every Day Like a Bonus: Post-ordeal, Lindsay feels like every day is a bonus. Be willing to see each new day as a bonus in your own life--full of potential and possibility that didn't exist just one day before. See each day as a gift.  Get in “f@%$ it” Mode!: Go for it! Why NOT do the scary or hard thing?! (Not recommending foolhardy recklessness, BTW...) Live Like There's No Tomorrow: Lindsay is more aware than ever now of the sacredness of the present moment. It's all we have. So make this moment, this day, your primary focus. How can you make it the best day it can be? Choose Courage Over Fear: Do the hard thing. Venture outside of your comfort zone. Don't waste time trying to get rid of fear; instead, practice becoming MORE brave.  Be Kind to Others: You don't know what they're going through Remember, Lindsay has been to the edge and back. She knows what it's like to stare Mortality in the face, and those are some of her big takeaways from that experience. We can borrow what she's learned and put them into practice in our own lives RIGHT NOW if we simply choose to--without having to experience a catastrophe of our own first.  I think that's a WAY better strategy. What do you think? The alternatives are tragic, in my opinion.    Let Today Be the Day! "When everything's gone, it makes you think a lot about what you want." Wow. That hits home.  Listen. One day--maybe even one day very soon--you'll run out of tomorrows. You'll run out of second chances. You'll run out of time.  Grab yourself by the scruff of the neck today and shake yourself awake. Wake up to the reality of your Mortality, to the sacredness of this present moment--the only moment you've got.  Make the phone call to the estranged family member or friend. Take the first step toward fulfilling that big dream. Do the hard thing now. Start the big thing now. Tomorrow never comes, ladies and gents, there is only today.  Let today be a day like none other before it. The day that you summoned the courage to live with even more guts, gusto, and abandon by looking your Mortality square in the eyes and holding its gaze, unflinching and with resolve.  This is your one and only life. What will you make of it?  Remember, you ARE going to die. But you're not dead yet. So get after it! I Can Help Becoming the person you were made to be and living the life you were made to live with guts, gusto, and abandon is heroic work. It's not for the faint of heart. And it happens best in the company of others who have your best interests at heart.  Connect with me to learn more about how a powerful, confidential 1-1 coaching partnership or participation in a Graveyard Group can help you live even more courageously and die regret-free.  And I'm excited to share that the first-ever women's Graveyard Group will launch soon, too!  Connect with on Facebook, Instagram and LinkedIn, visit my website, or email me.    If You Liked This Episode, I Think You'll Like These, Too Ep. 005 | How to Become the Boss of Your Fear: Bravery-building to Live With More Guts and Gusto Ep. 008 | More Alive Than Ever: How Pain Points the Way to Purpose Ep. 012 | How to Harness the Winds of Discomfort to Get Where You Want to Go: Becoming a Seasoned Sailor on the Seas of Life   Resources Mentioned in This Episode: The Untethered Soul (Michael A. Singer) Sabino Recovery (treatment center)   Connect with Lindsay Email | Instagram | Facebook | LinkedIn   Follow Andrew Petty is Dying & Leave a Review Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Google Podcasts | Stitcher   New to APiD? I'm so glad you found Andrew Petty is Dying. This podcast is a mix of long-form interviews with fascinating people and short-form solos on topics that will help you acquire the mindset and the means to live with guts, gusto, and abandon.  If you're wondering where to start in the archive of episodes, I recommend these three episodes, in this order:  Ep. 001 | You're Dying: How to Make the Most of It Ep. 016 | The Question That Changes Everything: The Go-to Tool for Living the Life You Were Made to Live Ep. 006 | The Nine Lives of Lise Leroux: One Woman's Mind-blowing Tale of Living With a Terminal Diagnosis

Martinique Lewis shares her journey growing up in an immigrant family in Oakland, California, studying abroad in London, and her path to becoming an award winning Diversity in Travel Consultant. She talks about what she loves about London, and how she travels the world like a local as opposed to a tourist.  Marty then talks about her passion for learning about and connecting with the African Diaspora around the world.  She gives the history of the Negro Motorist Green Book, and talks about her inspiration for creating the ABC Travel Green Book to connect the African Diaspora globally, promote Black-owned businesses, and identify safe spaces for Black travelers.  She also talks about being the President of The Black Travel Alliance and shares their founding story, thier impact on holding the travel industry accountable on diversify and inclusion, and the launch of the new Black Travel History website. Marty then talks about her path to becoming a professional Diversity in Travel Consultant and breaks down the power dynamics that inhibit diversity in travel brands.  She talks about the impact she is making on the board of Conde Nast and the National Outdoor Leadership School. Marty then shares her reflections on racism in the U.S. through the lens of international travel.  She also reflects on her support and solidarity with the “End SARS” campaign against police violence in Nigeria. Marty then shares her thoughts on safety considerations for Black travelers, and offers her thoughts on how people can be better allies.  And finally, she shares what travel means to her. 

I'm excited to introduce this week's guest, Rebecca Walsh from Hike Like a Woman. I can't remember where I first discovered her, but I've been following her on Instagram for ages, and I love what she does. In this episode, we talk about solo hiking for women, and why women should give it a try—and how to manage anxiety and fears about getting things wrong or making mistakes along the way.   This episode isn't just for women, and it's not just for hikers—it's for everyone who may have fears about getting outdoors and doing something new.   About Rebecca Rebecca Walsh is a former Army officer, the founder of Hike Like A Woman, and owner of Laramie's Basecamp, an outdoor retail store, guiding and outfitting company in Laramie, Wyoming. She's also the author of the e-books, How To Hike When You're Pregnant and How To Hike With Kids. Rebecca has appeared on the PBS television show Travels With Darley. Her work with Hike Like a Woman has been mentioned in Sports Illustrated Swimsuit, The New York Times, Real Simple Magazine, The Dyrt, The National Park Journal (Colorado) and Visit Wyoming. Rebecca has been featured on various podcasts and radio shows to include Minnesota Public Radio and as a speaker at the Outdoor Blogger Summit. In 2014 Rebecca started a local hiking group, Little Laramie Hikers with the goal to connect children with the outdoors, the group hikes weekly rain or shine and serves over 600 families in the community. Rebecca is also a professional cross-country ski instructor. Rebecca's true passion, however, is helping break down barriers to entry in the outdoors and helping women explore with confidence. She does this through events, both in-person and online, workshops and guided trips. Website Instagram Facebook   Listen To This Episode        What You'll Learn Some of the biggest fears women have about solo hiking How we can feel safe when we venture into the outdoors What we need to know before we go outdoors How we can manage anxiety and fears once we get out there Recommended safety tips and tools   Things We Discussed The 18 Summers movement 940 Life  NOLS, the National Outdoor Leadership School    Related Episodes 395 Holly Worton ~ How to Know When to Quit Your Adventures 393 Holly Worton ~ Staying Safe in the Outdoors (now with downloadable transcript!) 383 Anne Malambo ~ How Solo Travel Can Change Our Lives (now with downloadable transcript!) 368 Yvette Webster ~ How to Take Your Hiking to the Next Level (now with downloadable transcript!) 367 Holly Worton ~ Finding Yourself Through Solo Travel and Outdoor Adventures (now with downloadable transcript!)   Connect With Holly Website Facebook Instagram Twitter Pinterest Google+ LinkedIn   How to Subscribe Click here to subscribe via iTunes Click here to subscribe via RSS Click here to subscribe via Stitcher   Help Spread the Word If you enjoyed this episode, please head on over to iTunes and kindly leave us a rating and a review! You can also subscribe, so you'll never miss an episode.

Michael Cox is a real career pivoter. Unlike many of Amy's guests who have “spun off” from one related career to another, Mike has changed fields entirely. He chats with Amy today about the thoughtful process he followed to find his eventual career fulfillment. If you are fearful of moving away from work and a career you don't enjoy, listen to how one man managed a deliberate and brave major change for his own life and career.   Mike grew up in Maryland and the Washington, D.C. metro area where he became an avid reader, yoga enthusiast, hockey player, skier, kayaker, hiker and rock climber. He participated as a youth in the prestigious National Outdoor Leadership School in Alaska as well.  His academic interests in high school were government and politics with a special curiosity about international affairs. So, with this background, Mike chose the University of Colorado at Boulder for undergrad school. There he could easily pursue his hobbies as he studied for a double major in international affairs and philosophy. While attending, he developed a particular interest in Latin America. It was at this time when he began to focus on foreign service as his ultimate career.   After graduating magna cum laude, Mike received an opportunity to be a paralegal and the assistant to the Honorary Consul of Mongolia at a law firm in the greater Denver area. This was good experience while he considered the best route to take forward to his foreign service goal.  He decided his next step would be to enhance his resume further with a law degree, so he enrolled in the University of Denver, Sturm College of Law. While there, in the summer of 2011, he traveled to Argentina with the Southwestern Law Study Abroad Program and became fluent in Spanish. It was also during law school that he determined to take the foreign service exam.  The FSOT is part of a rigorous 6 step process for entry into foreign service. He was cut at step 5, the oral evaluation phase.  He could have easily retaken the exam as many do, but the experience caused him to rethink this long time goal. He sought out conversations with people in the foreign service and others who could help him better understand the reality of what life would be like. Did he want to move every couple of years?  What would family life be like if he did? He had a myriad of questions that needed honest answers. As he explored more deeply, he was inclined to think that a career in the foreign service was not really what he wanted after all. But then what was?   He was still in law school, and he needed to finish while he continued to think things through. He hadn't entered the law program with the intention of eventually practicing law, but that's what happened next. It didn't happen right away though.  It was 2013 and graduates were having a difficult time finding work in the post-recession job market. (The unemployment rate for this group was 18.3% at the time.) It took Mike 9 months, but he landed a position in a law office in the Washington, D.C. area.  The firm specialized in government contracts and construction, neither of which held much interest for him, but it allowed him to gain yet more experience. He stayed for 3 years. He learned some necessary legal fundamentals, but that period of time assured him this was not the fulfilling work he sought to spend his career doing. He began a process of self-examination which included quite a few tough questions.   Mike explains a “red flag” for him was the realization that there was no one's position there at the firm he had an interest in or aspired to.  This was a clear indication to him that he had no goals to accomplish or strive for where he was.  He also realized that no one was going to come along and offer him the perfect job.  He was going to have to become proactive. But how? Where would he look?  What work would he find joy in doing? As it turned out, the answers were waiting to be discovered within himself.   During high school and college, Mike had enjoyed many outdoor sports and activities.  Throughout his school years, he had spent his free time in competition with others or just challenging himself. He had even entertained passing his love of all his favorite activities on to others as an instructor. These thoughts were fleeting as he never seriously considered turning his recreational pastimes into a career.  He had pushed ahead with his more intellectual interests in political science and international affairs.  But now he revisited thoughts of this old passion that was still an integral part of his life.    Amy inquired how he made this big transition.  Mike said he began by looking to outdoor travel companies, outdoor education organizations and so forth.  This led him to the then Baltimore based Chesapeake Bay Outward Bound School, conveniently close to Washington, D.C. where he lives.  The school had an administrative opening, so he applied, hoping to get his foot in the door.   Outward Bound is a non-profit, experiential education organization. It serves people of all ages and backgrounds by offering challenging outdoor programs of many types designed to inspire strength of character, leadership and service to others, both in and out of the classroom. This organization seemed like a perfect fit for Mike, and hopefully he would be able to have some direct interaction with the students who participated.    His interviewer (later his mentor and supervisor) called him and told him she could tell he really wanted to be an instructor, not an administrator.  Mike had to admit that was the case.   So, she offered to place him in an apprenticeship program that would teach him the basics he would need to begin as an instructor.  Mike accepted the offer, took a deep breath and resigned as an attorney.  Listen to him describe how this hugely difficult decision changed his life. He shares with listeners how he summoned the courage to reinvent his own personal narrative.    After four years as a field instructor, he is now the Associate Program Director of the Chesapeake Bay Outward Bound School. He still gets out in the field with students and enjoys sharing his passion for nature and outdoor adventuring. He has some good advice to offer for those who might also struggle to make a major career change as he did. If you're on the career fence, listening to this podcast might just be time very well spent.   Topics in this episode:   How to face the tough questions   How avoidance and regret can catch up with you   Why to become proactive and how to go about it   Networking with people in the know   How to recognize what you can control and what you cannot   Worthy Quote: “I didn't want anyone's job there.  If I'm not striving, going for the next position, that means something's wrong. That was a red flag.”   Links: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-cox-82929970/   www.outwardbooundchesapeake.org  

After an almost three month long break, Claire has returned to her regular tik toks and podcasts. But where was she? In this episode Claire tells all about her experience on her National Outdoor Leadership School semester and what it was like taking time off of college. She details her experience spending 30 days backpacking across the Baja Penninsula, learning to kayak, and navigating the harsh realities of living in the wilderness. She also, of course, gets into what food was like on trail from favorite dishes, to obstacles, and retreiving rations. Tune in to here Claire share details that she has yet to share anywhere else.

Listeners, we're back this week with Dania Rivas!As the founder of Inclusively Outdoors, LLC, Dania Rivas specializes in working with organizational leaders who want to cultivate a diverse, equitable, and inclusive workplace culture that fosters a sense of belonging among historically underrepresented voices in the environmental and outdoor industries.She focuses on preparing individuals and institutions for rapid demographic change and firmly believes that diverse representation is vital to our environment and communities' health.Acting on her commitment to community, culture, and connection to nature, she is a graduate of the National Outdoor Leadership School, holds a Master of Education degree in Environmental Studies, and is a Certified Professional Diversity Coach (CPDC) as well as a Certified Professional Co-Active Coach (CPCC).Dania is a member of the International Coaching Federation (ICF) and holds a position as the first and only Latina Board Member while serving as the Pro Bono Coaching Initiative Client Director for the ICF Oregon Chapter. Dania happily resides in Portland, OR, with her dog, Bella, her cat Willow, her tortoise "Pedo," and her two rabbits, Bruja y Brujo!This episode is brought to you by The PowerSisters Method™️Are you ready to reach your life and business goals? Let’s get accountable. This is the time to maximize your productivity with the PowerSisters method. Aside from being paired up with your own PowerSister, You also gain access to an incredible supportive community, additional guidance through group coaching, monthly challenges, exclusive workshops, and coworking time. Are you ready to become a PowerSister, manis? Watch your dreams and intentions become a reality together because no one has done it alone. Head over to findmypowersister.com to learn more. During our conversation, Dania and I talked about:Her first exposure to  natureSafety as a woman of colorThe power of making decisionsListening to her inner voiceThe outdoor industryHer work in Diversity, Equity and Inclusion (DEI)Healing and self-responsibilityAlso, the documentary Pam mentions is "Lorena, la de  pies ligeros" Follow Dania on all things social:InstagramLinkedInFacebookTwitter Follow Cafe con Pam on all things socialInstagramFacebookhttp://cafeconpam.com/ Join the FREE Cafe con Pam ChallengeJoin FREE online Recovering Procrastinator Manis Community! stayshining.clubJoin PowerSisters!  Findmypowersister.comSubscribe, rate, review, and share this episode with someone you love!And don't ever forget to Stay Shining! To learn more about mushrooms and my favorite FourSigmatic products, use my code STAYSHINING to get 10% OFF!!! www.spreadideasmovepeople.com/mushrooms

Now that "La Recua" is finished and making the film festival rounds, I thought I would share this conversation with Trudi Angel again. Angell has been living in Baja since the mid-'70s. She made her first trip South to attend a 12-day Sea Kayaking course at the National Outdoor Leadership School in Mulegé. Angell fell in love with the people and the place -and stayed six weeks. When she finally returned home to Calistoga, she quickly bought a folding Klepper Kayak, a roof rack for her 1964 Rambler American, and blazed a trail straight back to Baja. Sea kayaking was taking off as an adventure sport just as Baja was on the rise as a travel destination. An opportunity to guide a kayak trip down the coast allowed Angell to launch Paddling South in Loreto. Angell says she was "in the right spot at the right time." With a love for logistics, and a desire to go the extra mile for her clients, she cultivated a great business that she ran for thirty years. While riding on a mule trip with her friend and fellow outfitter, Tim Means, she was amazed by the grace the hired vaqueros showed as they interacted with their families. Angell had an epiphany, bought a horse, and took up riding. Soon, she was visiting ranches near and far. She launched Saddling South in 1987. "This opened up a huge world for me -both for studying the history (of the vaqueros) and learning the Ranch culture." Angell talks about her life and work in this conversation and her deep admiration for the vaqueros and traditional Baja ranch life. She shares stories from the 1000-mile Mule trip (the Mula-Mil) that she organized to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the 1963-64 expedition by Andy Meling, Joanne Alford, Eve Ewing, and others. Additionally, she shares insights about making "La Recua," a documentary film about a traditional overland pack-mule trip featuring 70-year-old vaquero Dario Higuera, a team of 13, and a cast of 25 animals; also known as "Dario's Dream." Watch the film here. Visit the Bell Mare website here. Follow Saddling South on Instagram Follow Saddling South on Facebook

As co-founder and founding CEO of Netflix, Marc Randolph laid much of the groundwork for the streaming service that’s grown to 150 million subscribers, and fundamentally altered how the world experiences media. With over 40 years of entrepreneurial experience, Marc has built six other successful companies, mentored hundreds of early stage entrepreneurs, and invested in dozens of successful tech ventures. Today, Marc reveals seldom-shared anecdotes about Netflix including how the iconic brand got its name and their David versus Goliath story with Blockbuster. Yet it's Marc's unconventional definition of success (hint: it's not money or fame!) and how creating positive workplace culture starts with the leaders that's most intriguing. This episode will inspire you to take action to make your next big idea or lofty dream a reality and remind you that while it may not be easy, it's always possible. SHOW NOTES: “It’s what I did, not who I am.” – on not wanting to be typecast as “the Netflix guy” The defining characteristic of Marc’s youth was his parent’s encouragement to experiment. NOLS: At 14, Marc spent a month in the Wyoming wilderness with National Outdoor Leadership School which taught him how to lead and communicate with confidence + clarity. Immersing himself in nature allows Marc to live in the moment unlike anything else. Randolph’s Rules for Success: Before starting his first job, Marc’s father outline rules on how to be a good person like: be open-minded but skeptical, quantify when possible, and be considerate always. Early in his career, Marc learned that success is not economic or commercial-based. Instead it’s fulfilling your passions and strengths while being able to enjoy a family + hobbies. In his late-20s, Marc + his now-wife prioritized planning date nights, found planning imperative, something he avoids as an entrepreneur.   Demonstrate the culture you want. Through intentional planning and discipline, Marc prioritizes and demonstrates a work-life balance which allows others in organizations to model as well. Before landing on what would become Netflix, Marc + Reed Hastings brainstormed numerous direct-to-consumer, 1:1 subscription-based concepts including custom shampoo, custom dog food and personalized baseball bats. April 1998: Netflix is born. The inciting event that led to the development of Netflix was mailing a CD (to mimic the newly invented DVD) through the mail and it arriving the following day, intact, for the price of a stamp. “The idea counts for nothing. The idea that you start with almost never the product you end up with. It’s starting somewhere + the journey that follows that leads to something that does work.” Only way out is through: Desperate for a collaboration with then-giant Blockbuster, Netflix’s pitch was rejected. Knowing their model was more sustainable, they strategically identified opportunities during a volatile economy in order to survive while taking Blockbuster head-on. Little Engine That Could: Two years after the Blockbuster rejection, Netflix’s innovative business model allowed them to go public providing them ample resources to adequately compete with Blockbuster. On his new podcast That Will Never Work, Marc coaches early-stage entrepreneurs frequently on the personal issues involved with starting a business like maintaining confidence and relationships versus tactics and strategy. “I am most proud of my optimism.” Listen to Marc Randolph’s podcast That Will Never Work here. Get Marc Randolph’s book That Will Never Work here. MARC RANDOLPH'S LIVE INSPIRED 7 1. What is the best book you’ve ever read? Endurance by Alfred Lansing. 2. What is a characteristic or trait that you possessed as a child that you wish you still exhibited today? Lack of embarrassment and willingness to be ridiculous. 3. Your house is on fire, all living things and people are out. You have the opportunity to run in and grab one item. What would it be? Nothing. 4. You are sitting on a bench overlooking a gorgeous beach. You have the opportunity to have a long conversation with anyone living or dead. Who would it be? I'm a history buff so maybeSigmund Freud, Ernest Shackleton or Julius Caesar. 5. What is the best advice you’ve ever received? Freud told me how big the Internet and Bitcoin would be. No, nothing specific leaps out. 6. What advice would you give your 20-year-old self? Trust your intuition about others. 7. It’s been said that all great people can have their lives summed up in one sentence. How do you want yours to read? He got people off their ass. *** About our sponsor: Keeley Companies wholeheartedly believes that if you get the people right -the results will follow. They set themselves apart with a forward-thinking culture that empowers their people and fosters loyal partnerships. Keeley Companies are a proud sponsor, partner, and super fan of the Live Inspired Podcast. Learn more about Keeley Companies.

     What do you know about leadership and did you learn what you know while paddling for 30 days, rain or shine, tired or not through some of the most remote coast line in the world? If the answer is yes, well then you may already know tonights guest. If however, the answer is no, then I am pleased to introduce you to Dave Watson. Dave is an instructor for the National Outdoor Leadership School or NOLS for short. As a NOLS instructor Dave has spent more than 350 weeks of his life teaching leadership skills to young people. He does this in 30 and 60 day sea kayaking trips along the worlds most pristine and unknown coastlines.     In his spare time he's circumnavigated Newfoundland, Kayaked lake Titicaca and during Covid, he's building his dream house. Ladies and Gentlemen, Dave Watson!

Tim Ferriss Show Podcast Notes Key Takeaways “I just have to say that when you have begged for spare change on the sidewalk that asking a VC for $50,000 is nothing.” – Marc RandolphLeadership is largely communication driven. To be a great leader, you have to be a great speaker and writer.“When I look back at college, the two most valuable classes that I took was a writing class and a public speaking class, and I use both of those skills almost every single day.” – Marc RandolphIf you have an idea, don’t keep it safely tucked away in your head. Instead, get it out into the world and see what happens.“The one you think is great is terrible. The one you think is terrible is great. It’s impossible to know until you try it.” – Marc Randolph Naming a company is HARD:You want to make sure it evocative of what you’re doingYou want to make it easy to spellYou want to make sure it’s not an obscurity in another languageYou want to make sure you can trademark itYou want to make sure you can get the social media handlesThe key to success:“I’ve realized that the key to being successful is not how good your ideas are, it’s how good you are at being able to find quick, cheap, and easy ways to try your ideas. That’s what I look for now in entrepreneurs, that’s what sets apart the good ones from the mediocre ones.” – Marc RandolphLife is not about having more money:“You can have all the money in the world but if you don’t have a strong relationship or you’re not doing the things that make you happy when you’re not at work, what’s the point?” – Marc RandolphRead the full notes @ podcastnotes.orgMarc Randolph on Building Netflix, Battling Blockbuster, Negotiating with Amazon/Bezos, and Scraping the Barnacles Off the Hull | Brought to you by Wealthfront automated investing, Helix Sleep premium mattresses, and Athletic Greens all-in-one nutritional supplement. More on all three below.Although best known as the co-founder and first CEO of Netflix, Marc Randolph‘s (@mbrandolph) career as an entrepreneur spans more than four decades. He’s founded or co-founded half a dozen other successful start-ups, including, most recently, Looker Data Sciences, which he sold to Google in 2019 for $2.6B. He is currently mentoring a handful of other early-stage companies and advising hundreds of other entrepreneurs. He is also an active seed investor in startups all over the world, author of an internationally bestselling memoir, and host of the new podcast That Will Never Work, where he dispenses advice, encouragement, and tough love to struggling entrepreneurs.When not surfing, mountain biking, or back-country skiing, Marc is a frequent speaker at industry events, works extensively with young entrepreneur programs, sits on the board of the environmental advocacy group 1% for the Planet, and chairs the National Outdoor Leadership School‘s board of trustees.Please enjoy!*This episode is brought to you by Helix Sleep! Helix was selected as the #1 best overall mattress of 2020 by GQ magazine, Wired, Apartment Therapy, and many others. With Helix, there’s a specific mattress to meet each and every body’s unique comfort needs. Just take their quiz—only two minutes to complete—that matches your body type and sleep preferences to the perfect mattress for you. They have a 10-year warranty, and you get to try it out for a hundred nights, risk free. They’ll even pick it up from you if you don’t love it. And now, to my dear listeners, Helix is offering up to 200 dollars off all mattress orders plus two free pillows at HelixSleep.com/Tim.*This episode is also brought to you by Athletic Greens. I get asked all the time, “If you could only use one supplement, what would it be?” My answer is usually Athletic Greens, my all-in-one nutritional insurance. I recommended it in The 4-Hour Body in 2010 and did not get paid to do so. I do my best with nutrient-dense meals, of course, but AG further covers my bases with vitamins, minerals, and whole-food-sourced micronutrients that support gut health and the immune system. Right now, Athletic Greens is offering you their Vitamin D Liquid Formula free with your first subscription purchase—a vital nutrient for a strong immune system and strong bones. Visit AthleticGreens.com/Tim to claim this special offer today and receive the free Vitamin D Liquid Formula (and five free travel packs) with your first subscription purchase! That’s up to a one-year supply of Vitamin D as added value when you try their delicious and comprehensive all-in-one daily greens product.*This episode is also brought to you by Wealthfront! Wealthfront pioneered the automated investing movement, sometimes referred to as ‘robo-advising,’ and they currently oversee $20 billion of assets for their clients. It takes about three minutes to sign up, and then Wealthfront will build you a globally diversified portfolio of ETFs based on your risk appetite and manage it for you at an incredibly low cost. Smart investing should not feel like a rollercoaster ride. Let the professionals do the work for you. Go to Wealthfront.com/Tim and open a Wealthfront account today, and you’ll get your first $5,000 managed for free, for life. Wealthfront will automate your investments for the long term. Get started today at Wealthfront.com/Tim.*If you enjoy the podcast, would you please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcasts/iTunes? It takes less than 60 seconds, and it really makes a difference in helping to convince hard-to-get guests. I also love reading the reviews!For show notes and past guests, please visit tim.blog/podcast.Sign up for Tim’s email newsletter (“5-Bullet Friday”) at tim.blog/friday.For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts.Discover Tim’s books: tim.blog/books.Follow Tim:Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss Instagram: instagram.com/timferrissFacebook: facebook.com/timferriss YouTube: youtube.com/timferriss

Tim Ferriss Show Podcast Notes Key Takeaways “I just have to say that when you have begged for spare change on the sidewalk that asking a VC for $50,000 is nothing.” – Marc RandolphLeadership is largely communication driven. To be a great leader, you have to be a great speaker and writer.“When I look back at college, the two most valuable classes that I took was a writing class and a public speaking class, and I use both of those skills almost every single day.” – Marc RandolphIf you have an idea, don’t keep it safely tucked away in your head. Instead, get it out into the world and see what happens.“The one you think is great is terrible. The one you think is terrible is great. It’s impossible to know until you try it.” – Marc Randolph Naming a company is HARD:You want to make sure it evocative of what you’re doingYou want to make it easy to spellYou want to make sure it’s not an obscurity in another languageYou want to make sure you can trademark itYou want to make sure you can get the social media handlesThe key to success:“I’ve realized that the key to being successful is not how good your ideas are, it’s how good you are at being able to find quick, cheap, and easy ways to try your ideas. That’s what I look for now in entrepreneurs, that’s what sets apart the good ones from the mediocre ones.” – Marc RandolphLife is not about having more money:“You can have all the money in the world but if you don’t have a strong relationship or you’re not doing the things that make you happy when you’re not at work, what’s the point?” – Marc RandolphRead the full notes @ podcastnotes.orgMarc Randolph on Building Netflix, Battling Blockbuster, Negotiating with Amazon/Bezos, and Scraping the Barnacles Off the Hull | Brought to you by Wealthfront automated investing, Helix Sleep premium mattresses, and Athletic Greens all-in-one nutritional supplement. More on all three below.Although best known as the co-founder and first CEO of Netflix, Marc Randolph‘s (@mbrandolph) career as an entrepreneur spans more than four decades. He’s founded or co-founded half a dozen other successful start-ups, including, most recently, Looker Data Sciences, which he sold to Google in 2019 for $2.6B. He is currently mentoring a handful of other early-stage companies and advising hundreds of other entrepreneurs. He is also an active seed investor in startups all over the world, author of an internationally bestselling memoir, and host of the new podcast That Will Never Work, where he dispenses advice, encouragement, and tough love to struggling entrepreneurs.When not surfing, mountain biking, or back-country skiing, Marc is a frequent speaker at industry events, works extensively with young entrepreneur programs, sits on the board of the environmental advocacy group 1% for the Planet, and chairs the National Outdoor Leadership School‘s board of trustees.Please enjoy!*This episode is brought to you by Helix Sleep! Helix was selected as the #1 best overall mattress of 2020 by GQ magazine, Wired, Apartment Therapy, and many others. With Helix, there’s a specific mattress to meet each and every body’s unique comfort needs. Just take their quiz—only two minutes to complete—that matches your body type and sleep preferences to the perfect mattress for you. They have a 10-year warranty, and you get to try it out for a hundred nights, risk free. They’ll even pick it up from you if you don’t love it. And now, to my dear listeners, Helix is offering up to 200 dollars off all mattress orders plus two free pillows at HelixSleep.com/Tim.*This episode is also brought to you by Athletic Greens. I get asked all the time, “If you could only use one supplement, what would it be?” My answer is usually Athletic Greens, my all-in-one nutritional insurance. I recommended it in The 4-Hour Body in 2010 and did not get paid to do so. I do my best with nutrient-dense meals, of course, but AG further covers my bases with vitamins, minerals, and whole-food-sourced micronutrients that support gut health and the immune system. Right now, Athletic Greens is offering you their Vitamin D Liquid Formula free with your first subscription purchase—a vital nutrient for a strong immune system and strong bones. Visit AthleticGreens.com/Tim to claim this special offer today and receive the free Vitamin D Liquid Formula (and five free travel packs) with your first subscription purchase! That’s up to a one-year supply of Vitamin D as added value when you try their delicious and comprehensive all-in-one daily greens product.*This episode is also brought to you by Wealthfront! Wealthfront pioneered the automated investing movement, sometimes referred to as ‘robo-advising,’ and they currently oversee $20 billion of assets for their clients. It takes about three minutes to sign up, and then Wealthfront will build you a globally diversified portfolio of ETFs based on your risk appetite and manage it for you at an incredibly low cost. Smart investing should not feel like a rollercoaster ride. Let the professionals do the work for you. Go to Wealthfront.com/Tim and open a Wealthfront account today, and you’ll get your first $5,000 managed for free, for life. Wealthfront will automate your investments for the long term. Get started today at Wealthfront.com/Tim.*If you enjoy the podcast, would you please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcasts/iTunes? It takes less than 60 seconds, and it really makes a difference in helping to convince hard-to-get guests. I also love reading the reviews!For show notes and past guests, please visit tim.blog/podcast.Sign up for Tim’s email newsletter (“5-Bullet Friday”) at tim.blog/friday.For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts.Discover Tim’s books: tim.blog/books.Follow Tim:Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss Instagram: instagram.com/timferrissFacebook: facebook.com/timferriss YouTube: youtube.com/timferriss

Join Paul and me as we spend an epic day whitewater rafting, biking, and hiking all around Fort Collins. Then we finish off our day soaking up what’s left of the sun on some fantastic patios while enjoying some of the best beers in the states! Paul is the CMO of RunRepeat, the largest athletic footwear review site on the web. Check out RunRepeat or Check out the NoCO Trail Conditions Facebook Group. Paul is an outdoor fanatic who loves adventure. Over the past 20 years, he has climbed, hiked, and run all over the world. Some of his most adventurous feats include summiting peaks throughout the Americas, trekking throughout Africa, running 6 marathons, and giving his endurance the ultimate test in a 24-hour trail race. He has worked in the outdoor industry for about 15 years, in a wide range of jobs, including being a whitewater and hunting guide, gear tester, and copywriter. And for places such as The National Outdoor Leadership School, No Barriers USA, and the Sierra Trading Post. These days Paul serves as the Chief Marketing Officer at RunRepeat, the largest athletic footwear review site on the web.    What We Cover in This Episode What it’s like to be a raft guide in Fort Collins, Colorado. Why Fort Collins is a great town for both trail and road runners. What makes Fort Collins perfect for adventurers. The best time of year to visit Fort Collins, Colorado. The best seasons for each outdoor activity, including biking, rafting, kayaking, backpacking, camping, climbing, hiking, and boating. The two best places to stay in Fort Collins, Colorado. A part of Fort Collins with a Disney claim to fame. The best diner in Fort Collins with world-famous cinnamon rolls. The best time of year (and time of day) for whitewater rafting in Fort Collins. A nearby small town with stunning mountain biking. The two best hikes in Fort Collins, Colorado. A tip for a less crowded way to hike to the top of Horsetooth Rock. Why Fort Collins is built for biking. A unique local state park. The best breweries, dinner spots with patios, and nightlife spots in Fort Collins, Colorado. The two best destinations for Instagram photos. One popular local destination you should avoid if crowded, and where you should go instead. Quotables "Well, there’s a lot of things Fort Collins has going for itself. First off, it’s a really cool hip little town. The university here is 25 – 30,000 students. So there’s this fun nightlife vibe going on that bigger college towns have. We have really good weather here. The weather in Fort Collins is just fantastic all year round. Even now, it’s January, it’s in the fifties, sunny, and in the fifties. And so you can run, you can mountain bike, you can climb mostly year-round. If you’re into golf, you can golf year-round. There’s a lot of outdoor activities that you can do throughout the year that you can’t do in a lot of other mountain west locations. And then on top of that, it’s just really close to a lot of really great things. We’re about an hour north of Denver. So the Denver crowds tend to stay away from Northern Colorado. And so we kind of have our forests and our trails and our mountains to ourselves up here. And within an hour of town, you can be back-country skiing. You can be whitewater rafting, mountain biking, backpacking, rock climbing. I mean, There’s so much stuff to do right in town, but also within an hour that a lot of the crowds just kind of stay away from, which makes this place a real gem" "In Fort Collins, you can go out on a Saturday afternoon for a mountain bike ride on one of our local, popular trails and maybe pass ten to fifteen other people. Whereas in Denver, you might pass a thousand people on the local mountain bike trails. So, you know, although there are people out recreating, it is not the crowds like you see down south of here which is really, really special, I think for the people that live here" "I think there’s 220 miles of bike path and bike lane and Fort Collins. So, basically, every street has a bike lane that’s like three or four feet wide. But there’s also a lot of dedicated bike paths that go through the parks, go down along the railways, that are off the streets and totally bike-friendly… Everyone rides their bikes everywhere because it’s so easy" "So the big adventure that you got to do after you’ve played outside in Fort Collins is head back into town, clean up, and get on some bikes … and you head into town, and we’ve got, I think we’ve got 30 or 40 breweries in town … you can ride your bike from brewery to brewery, to distillery, to dispensary, if that’s your thing. So there’s all sorts of fun things to do on bikes. Fort Collins is very patio oriented in the summer. Everyone is sitting outside. Everyone is enjoying the sunshine. And enjoying a good beer after a long day on the mountains" "What’s cool about Fort Collins is there’s enough different breweries that you can find very different styles of beer. So if you like German-style beer versus Belgian-style, beer versus American-style, or whatever your poison is, you can find it here in Fort Collins" "Yeah, you know, the rain doesn’t really stop people here. If you want to get on your bike and riding the rain, it’s actually a really fun experience. So what if you get wet? It’s going to stop raining. That’s the good thing about Colorado. You know, if you get stuck in a rainstorm, it’s only gonna last a little while, and then you’ll dry out at the next brewery. My theory is, that’s the time to be out there. It’s fun to be out in the rain" "I mean, in any given day, basically winter or summer, you can trail run, you can mountain bike, you can hike, you can rock climb, you can golf, you can hunt, you can fish, you can raft, and you can kayak. I mean, there’s a lot of opportunity here if you’re a thrill-seeker or you love the outdoors. It’s got a little bit of everything. And we’re just far enough away from the big city that it’s not overrun yet. Also, the downtown area’s got great nightlife, and I think that that’s something that maybe falls away in some of the mountain towns. And we’re not in the mountains, but we’re tucked right up against them. And so, you know, there’s a lot to do here. I’m sure one day it will be crowded, but for the last 20 years, I’ve been pleasantly surprised at the amount of people I see doing the things I love to do as well"   Links to Places Mentioned in this Episode Where to Stay in Fort Collins, Colorado: The Armstrong Hotel The Elizabeth Hotel Fort Collins, Colorado Outdoor Activities Mentioned in this Episode: Old Town Rustic, CO Lower Dadd Gulch Trail Lory State Park Arthur’s Rock Trail Horsetooth Reservoir Horsetooth Rock Trail Rotary Park Fort Collins, Colorado area Restaurants Mentioned in this Episode: Silver Grill Cafe New Belgium Brewing Odell Brewing Snowbank Brewing Feisty Spirits Distillery The Reserve by Old Elk Distillery Illegal Pete’s RARE Italian Rio Grande Trail Head Tavern Town Pump Aggie Theatre   Thanks for Listening! We love our listeners! If you enjoyed this episode, please leave me a comment below and let me know about your favorite part! If you’ve been enjoying the show, please also consider leaving me a review in Apple Podcasts. It’s super easy; click here and go to “ratings and reviews.” I read and appreciate every single one! Each review helps new listeners find the podcast. Thank you!! Follow Cinders Travels on Facebook or Instagram for Locals Know Best updates. 

Marc Randolph on Building Netflix, Battling Blockbuster, Negotiating with Amazon/Bezos, and Scraping the Barnacles Off the Hull | Brought to you by Wealthfront automated investing, Helix Sleep premium mattresses, and Athletic Greens all-in-one nutritional supplement. More on all three below.Although best known as the co-founder and first CEO of Netflix, Marc Randolph‘s (@mbrandolph) career as an entrepreneur spans more than four decades. He’s founded or co-founded half a dozen other successful start-ups, including, most recently, Looker Data Sciences, which he sold to Google in 2019 for $2.6B. He is currently mentoring a handful of other early-stage companies and advising hundreds of other entrepreneurs. He is also an active seed investor in startups all over the world, author of an internationally bestselling memoir, and host of the new podcast That Will Never Work, where he dispenses advice, encouragement, and tough love to struggling entrepreneurs.When not surfing, mountain biking, or back-country skiing, Marc is a frequent speaker at industry events, works extensively with young entrepreneur programs, sits on the board of the environmental advocacy group 1% for the Planet, and chairs the National Outdoor Leadership School‘s board of trustees.Please enjoy!*This episode is brought to you by Helix Sleep! Helix was selected as the #1 best overall mattress of 2020 by GQ magazine, Wired, Apartment Therapy, and many others. With Helix, there’s a specific mattress to meet each and every body’s unique comfort needs. Just take their quiz—only two minutes to complete—that matches your body type and sleep preferences to the perfect mattress for you. They have a 10-year warranty, and you get to try it out for a hundred nights, risk free. They’ll even pick it up from you if you don’t love it. And now, to my dear listeners, Helix is offering up to 200 dollars off all mattress orders plus two free pillows at HelixSleep.com/Tim.*This episode is also brought to you by Athletic Greens. I get asked all the time, “If you could only use one supplement, what would it be?” My answer is usually Athletic Greens, my all-in-one nutritional insurance. I recommended it in The 4-Hour Body in 2010 and did not get paid to do so. I do my best with nutrient-dense meals, of course, but AG further covers my bases with vitamins, minerals, and whole-food-sourced micronutrients that support gut health and the immune system. Right now, Athletic Greens is offering you their Vitamin D Liquid Formula free with your first subscription purchase—a vital nutrient for a strong immune system and strong bones. Visit AthleticGreens.com/Tim to claim this special offer today and receive the free Vitamin D Liquid Formula (and five free travel packs) with your first subscription purchase! That’s up to a one-year supply of Vitamin D as added value when you try their delicious and comprehensive all-in-one daily greens product.*This episode is also brought to you by Wealthfront! Wealthfront pioneered the automated investing movement, sometimes referred to as ‘robo-advising,’ and they currently oversee $20 billion of assets for their clients. It takes about three minutes to sign up, and then Wealthfront will build you a globally diversified portfolio of ETFs based on your risk appetite and manage it for you at an incredibly low cost. Smart investing should not feel like a rollercoaster ride. Let the professionals do the work for you. Go to Wealthfront.com/Tim and open a Wealthfront account today, and you’ll get your first $5,000 managed for free, for life. Wealthfront will automate your investments for the long term. Get started today at Wealthfront.com/Tim.*If you enjoy the podcast, would you please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcasts/iTunes? It takes less than 60 seconds, and it really makes a difference in helping to convince hard-to-get guests. I also love reading the reviews!For show notes and past guests, please visit tim.blog/podcast.Sign up for Tim’s email newsletter (“5-Bullet Friday”) at tim.blog/friday.For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts.Discover Tim’s books: tim.blog/books.Follow Tim:Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss Instagram: instagram.com/timferrissFacebook: facebook.com/timferriss YouTube: youtube.com/timferriss

Neil McCarthy and his wife Tracy are outdoor adventurers, and they taught their kids to ski, hike, climb and camp early on. And then, in July of 2018, Neil had accident. After an easy climb, he was rappelling and fell. So, what does life look like for Neil and his family today? And what modalities did he employ on the long road to healing from physical trauma? Neil is the Organizational Development Consultant and Leadership Coach behind McCarthy Consulting Group, a Seattle firm that helps leaders, teams and organizations experience the full adventure of business and achieve their best—in performance, leadership and results. Prior to consulting, he spent 10 years as a professional mountain guide for the National Outdoor Leadership School and Alpine Ascents International, and being active in the outdoors has always been way of life for Neil and his family. On this episode of Holistic High Performance, Neil joins Daniel to discuss what happened the day of his traumatic climbing accident and describe the serious injuries he sustained as a result. He explains the elaborate healing routine he adopted post-surgery (while he was immobile) and explains why the early days of physical therapy were such an emotional experience. Listen in for Neil's advice on navigating the slow, incremental process of healing from trauma and find out what inspired him to do everything he could to recover and get back to being outdoors with his family. What You Will Learn What happened the day of Neil's traumatic climbing accident and how long it took first responders to get him to the hospital The injuries Neil sustained to his right leg, left foot and ankle, face and neck The survival mindset Neil adopted through his first two surgeries The bleak prognosis for recovery Neil received from the surgeons at Harborview How the community rallied around Neil and his family after the accident The elaborate healing routine Neil followed for the next three months while he was immobile Why Neil didn't begin to work through the emotional trauma of the fall until he started physical therapy The painful business trip to Italy that made Neil contemplate losing his foot and how that experience led to working with Daniel What Neil learned about advocating for yourself with the medical community and what inspired him to try everything possible to recover How Neil was hiking and climbing again within a year of the accident and how he feels now Neil's advice on navigating the slow, incremental process of healing from trauma Connect with Neil McCarthy McCarthy Consulting Group Connect with Daniel Christofferson Holistic High Performance Daniel on LinkedIn Resources Dr. Daphne Beingessner Dr. Bruce Sangeorzan Daniel Altschuler Tummy Temple PEMF Devices Craig DeMartino Wolfgang Brolley

Emily Isaacs is the founder of Emily Isaacs Counseling in Colorado. Emily's journey into the wilderness therapy field began in the Haight-Ashbury district of San Francisco where she grew up. Emily shares stories including going from being a city kid to a field guide at Open Sky to contributing to diversity in the outdoors as the Executive Director of Women's Wilderness. Emily shares her work with women veterans and the Climbing Grief Project.  Emily has a thriving outpatient wilderness therapy practice. Bio from the Emily Isaacs Counseling Website: I have over fifteen years of clinical experience, in settings ranging from intensive wilderness therapy treatment programs, a walk-in crisis clinic, Boulder Community Hospital, retreats with female veterans, and private practice.  My education includes a Masters degree from Naropa University in Transpersonal Psychology, an approach that honors the importance of body / mind / heart / and spirit in the therapeutic process.  I am a Licensed Professional Counselor in both Colorado and Wyoming. I have training in and draw from the following modalities:  Mindfulness and Meditation Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) Psychobiological Approach to Couples Therapy (PACT) Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT) Gestalt Therapy Motivational Interviewing Diversity, Equity and Inclusion via the Avarna Group and OUT Boulder Non-Violent Communication As an educator and outdoor professional, I have fifteen years of experience guiding and instructing backpacking, climbing, and boating expeditions from one to twelve weeks in length.  For ten of these years, I was working year-round in the deserts and mountains of Utah, Wyoming, Colorado, California and Oregon, living, working, and teaching in conditions ranging from 70 degrees and sunny to a zero degree blizzard.  I absolutely love teaching outdoors and particularly love sharing my passion for baking back-country pizza, reading maps, and making fire from a bow-drill set.  I have worked extensively with teens and young adults navigating complex mental health issues. ​ My leadership resume includes hiring and training guides for Open Sky Wilderness Therapy, serving as a lead instructor for Outward Bound and The National Outdoor Leadership School, and serving as the Executive Director for Women’s Wilderness for four years.  As the Executive Director, I rescued an iconic outdoor program when it was about to close doors, tripled the operation budget over the course of 4 years, and led a team of up to 7 office staff in launching transformational new programming, including the Queer Wilderness Project, Trailblazers: Outdoor Leadership for Black, Indigenous, and People of Color, and Summit Sisters, an annual 3-day retreat for over 120 participants.  Additionally, I founded “Jumping Mouse, the Gathering of the Guides,” a wilderness therapy guide conference that ran for 9 years, and Women’s Climbing Circle, a women’s climbing series at Movement Climbing and Fitness in Boulder that has skyrocketed in popularity. Additionally, I hold a Masters in Education from the University of California at Santa Cruz and have classroom experience teaching in middle and high schools.

We discussed a number of things including:1. Her entrepreneurial journey2. How the pandemic has affected the startup community3. Why she started her new venture, AboveBoard4. Advice for entrepreneurs during this downturn5. Answers to your questionsLucinda is Founder/CEO of AboveBoard, an inclusive network for executive hiring. She also serves as a director at ThriveTRM, a SaaS platform for executive recruiters, and WireSecure, which secures wire transactions. In her 25-year career as a technology CEO, Lucinda founded and/or led venture capital-backed technology companies including Monetate (acquired by Vista,) ClickEquations (acquired by Channel Intelligence,) and TurnTide (acquired by Symantec).She has served on numerous for and not for profit boards. Lucinda has won numerous awards, including the Ernst & Young Entrepreneur of the Year in Philadelphia, and was one of Consulting Magazine's 25 Most Influential Consultants for her work with financial services clients.She is also an Eisenhower Fellow. Lucinda has a BA from University of Pennsylvania, where she played basketball, and an MBA from the Wharton School. She attended the Aspen Seminar, Outward Bound, and the National Outdoor Leadership School.

Ben is joining Adventure Sports Podcast to tell us about his first paddle descent of the Sonam Section of the Kuri Chu in eastern Bhutan. More about Ben from Precisionpaddlesports.com ( http://www.precisionpaddlesports.com/about.html ) : “Ben is a native of Orange, Virginia where he grew up playing around in and paddling on local rivers. Over the past 15 years Ben has been fortunate enough to have had the opportunity to work alongside numerous paddlesport instructors and coaches at various paddling schools, outfitters, and colleges throughout the U.S. and abroad including the National Outdoor Leadership School ( http://www.nols.edu/ ) , Nantahala Outdoor Center ( http://www.noc.com/ ) , Jackson Hole Kayak School ( http://www.jacksonholekayak.com/ ) , Costa Rica Rios ( http://www.costaricarios.com/ ) , DeRiemer Adventure Kayaking ( http://www.adventurekayaking.com/ ) , Otter Bar Lodge Kayak School ( http://www.otterbar.com/ ) , New Zealand Kayak School ( http://www.nzkayakschool.com/ ) , Wilderness Rescue International ( http://www.wilderness-rescue.com/ ) , Next Adventure Paddlesports Center ( https://nextadventure.net/portland-paddle-sports-center.html ) , Alder Creek Kayak and Canoe ( https://aldercreek.com/ ) , Rocky Mountain Outdoor Center ( https://rmoc.com/ ) , Canoe Kayak and Paddle Company ( https://www.ckapco.com/ ) , Zoar Outdoor ( https://www.zoaroutdoor.com/ ) and many others. While Ben's background is river kayaking, he enjoys spending time in diverse environments on paddleboards, canoes, and sea kayaks.  Ben's strengths lie in his excitement to share his passion for paddlesports with others, his eagerness to continue to grow and develop as a paddler and instructor, and his positive interpersonal skills. Ben will be excited to work with you whether its helping you improve your paddling technique, guiding you down beautiful tropical rivers in Central America, or leading you on your first multi-day river experience.” www.precisionpaddlesports.com ( http://www.precisionpaddlesports.com ) Email: ben@precisionpaddlesports.com Phone: (540) 907-8450 Instagram: @precision_paddlesports ( http://www.precisionpaddlesports.com/ ) Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Marc Randolph is a veteran Silicon Valley entrepreneur, advisor, investor and author of the bestselling book THAT WILL NEVER WORK, which is sold in over 20 languages. Marc was the co-founder of Netflix, serving as their founding CEO, as the executive producer of their web site, and as a member of their board of directors. Although best known for starting Netflix, Marc's career as an entrepreneur spans more than four decades.   He's founded or co-founded more than half a dozen other successful start-ups, mentored rising entrepreneurs including the co-founders of Looker Data which was recently sold to Google for $2.6B, and invested in numerous successful tech ventures. He is a frequent speaker at industry events, works extensively with young entrepreneur programs, sits on the board of the environmental advocacy group 1% for the Planet, and chairs the National Outdoor Leadership School's Board of Trustees. 

Back in the 1980s Lena Conlan began working as an outdoor instructor for the National Outdoor Leadership School, or NOLS for short. Today, Lena is a true NOLS veteran, having worked with the organization for more than 30 years. Get to know Lena Conlan, NOLS and what you can do to help protect & preserve our environment Crossing Latitudes: https://crossinglatitudes.com NOLS: https://www.nols.edu/ Lena @ NOLS: https://www.nols.edu/en/employee_directory/profile/lena-conlan/ Leave No Trace: http://leavenotrace.org Spread the Love Instagram: runwithlovepodcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/runwithlovepodcast Website: https://runwithlove.com Show your support and donate to the Run with Love Foundation: https://runwithlove.com/donate

Trudi Angell has been living in Baja since the mid-'70s. She made her first trip South to attend a 12-day Sea Kayaking course at the National Outdoor Leadership School in Mulegé. Angell fell in love with the people and the place -and stayed six-weeks. When she finally returned home to Calistoga, she quickly bought a folding Klepper Kayak, a roof rack for her 1964 Rambler American, and blazed a trail straight back to Baja. Sea kayaking was taking off as an adventure sport just as Baja was on the rise as a travel destination. An opportunity to guide a kayak trip down the coast allowed Angell to launch her company Paddling South in Loreto. Angell says she was "in the right spot at the right time." With a love for logistics, and a desire to go the extra mile for her clients, she cultivated a great business which she ran for thirty years. While riding on a mule trip with her friend and fellow outfitter, Tim Means, she was amazed by the grace the hired vaqueros showed as they interacted with their families. Angell had an epiphany, bought a horse, and took up riding. Soon, she was visiting ranches near and far. She launched Saddling South in 1987. "This opened up a huge world for me -both for studying the history (of the vaqueros) and learning the Ranch culture." In this conversation, Angell talks about her life and work, and her deep admiration for the vaqueros and traditional Baja ranch life. She shares stories from the 1000-mile Mule trip (the Mula-Mil) that she organized to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the 1963-64 expedition by Andy Meling, Joanne Alford, Eve Ewing, and others. Additionally, she shares insights about making "La Recua," a documentary film about a traditional overland pack-mule trip featuring 70-year-old vaquero Dario Higuera, a team of 13, and a cast of 25 animals, also known as "Dario's Dream." Listen to the podcast here. Visit the Bell Mare website here. Follow Saddling South on Instagram Follow Saddling South on Facebook

America Outdoors Executive Director Aaron Bannon is a Casper Wyoming native, spent two years in the Peace Corps and ten years in conservation advocacy before settling in Lander Wyoming to work with the National Outdoor Leadership School (NOLS)   Facebook Twitter Instagram   The Outdoor Biz Podcast   Please give us a rating and review HERE   Show Notes America Outdoors Executive Director Aaron Bannon is a Casper Wyoming native, spent two years in the Peace Corps and ten years in conservation advocacy before settling in Lander Wyoming to work with the National Outdoor Leadership School (NOLS) My guest today is a Casper, Wyoming native. He spent two years in the Peace Corps and 10 years in conservation advocacy before settling in Lander, Wyoming to work with the National Outdoor Leadership School, America Outdoors executive Aaron Bannon.   Yeah, I've been in Lander for about 13 years. So a good chunk of life. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. It's a beautiful spot. A lot of people will hit it, like on their way to Grand Tetons or Yellowstone or something like that. But for those who hang out, uh, yeah, there's, it's kind of a climbing Mecca. So you'd find a lot of climbers who make their home here. There's a, you know, a lot of unique formations up in sinks Canyon and the wind river age that are a consistent draw. A lot of history there too. How'd you get introduced to the outdoors must have been as a kid, right, growing up? My dad would take us camping every year up in the Big Horn Mountains, which are just a couple of hours North of Casper. There was this annual camping trip. We'd always go to the same spot. I wanted to do a little bit more and I can recall in high school a couple of total junk show backpacking trips that I tried to do with my friends. We took cast iron pots, just ridiculous. But we knew enough to figure it out and certainly enough to still enjoy it. You spent some time with the Peace Corps too. Where, where were you in the world during that time? I was in Russia. It was an interesting time, right? It was from 1996 to 1998. And the Berlin wall had just recently fell. The iron curtain had just recently dissolved and I think we were only the second group, maybe the third group of peace Corps volunteers that Russia was even accepting. That program is over now. They don't feel like they need to be treated like a developing country basically. But lucky me, I got to go there when I did. I was teaching English in a small town of 150 people. Basically I taught all the grade levels and it was fairly remote. You spent some time in DC and in San Francisco as a conference conservation consultant, how those experiences impacted your career? I had no idea how helpful all that time would be to what I'm doing now. I was doing media work in DC and got to understand the news cycle, let's say you know what you need to do if you want to try to impact or change it. What a press release needs to look like and stuff for media. And training folks who are going to be in front of the camera. I was like a junior media officer. I don't mean to inflate what I was doing, but I learned a lot. But I always wanted to work on campaigns. Conservation campaigns and as I carried into San Francisco, I was even doing it here in Wyoming. I started to get a sense of what it takes to sort of set the goal, strive for it and overcome, let's say more well-funded adversaries, uh, and, uh, and, and find, find those opportunities. And it's always about sort of grassroots organizing, working with partners. There's a lot of egos that people bring to it which is always challenging. It's all about trying to get the right voice, with the right concern, to the point of decision, whoever that is, right. Whoever you decide your target is, be it a governor or senator, or a company. In the case of that San Francisco role with we're doing a lot of market space campaigns and trying to influence people's shares. And that would be enough to a lot of times to change their corporate behavior. What are you guys working on these days with America Outdoors? Work has been all about just trying to protect the operational capabilities of our membership, which is all our guides and outfitters. We're not a huge association. There's three of us right now at America Outdoors. Let's say three paid staff that the membership engages with regularly and is incredibly helpful in everything. So we've been at a level of just trying to interpret what's coming down and how we can help folks sustain their businesses. There are tons of guides and outfitters who've been shut down are not going to operate at all this summer. Then there are other people who will work and try to pull it off. I would say probably 80 to 90% of our membership is going to try to pull it off in one fashion or another. A number of them are gonna try to do it and probably do it at a loss because they recognize the importance of connecting people with the outdoors. How are you guys navigating the Covid environment specifically? Let's talk about America Outdoors first. It's been a direct hit for sure. We're a lobbying organization in the eyes of the federal government. So some of the relief packages that have come through we have not been eligible for. The Payroll Protection Program doesn't work for lobbying organizations. And like I said, we're three people now, we were for a month and a half ago. I took a pay cut. We had to reduce a staff member from full time to quarter time. We had to lay off someone else with the hopes that we could bring them back if we have a high and successful membership renewal. Right now we're in the middle of the membership renewal. So yeah, it's been as hard on us At the same time, we've still tried to perform. We've been pushing a ton of content out to our guides and outfitters really and to the entire industry. We've tried to break down those lines and make everything we have available to people. Whether it's working with them through the Payroll Protection Program, or whether it's, helping them understand their insurance, liability waivers, or trying to get leaders in the various public lands management agencies to connect with our membership and think about what the closures looked like or what reopening looks like. I think there are a couple of folks who are going to have a really good year if they've got like a livery, right. If they're renting gear you can use to go kayak somewhere, you know? The river didn't shut down, those guys are gonna do okay. Maybe do really well. On the other hand, I mean, you look at grand Canyon. I think they just opened up last weekend, but not to boaters. So those guides and outfitters who were running commercial trips down Grand Canyon are waiting until I think Friday is when they get to start going. So they've already lost like six weeks out of their eighteen to twenty week season, something like that. Have you heard from guides and outfitters about how they're changing their day to day operations? Yeah, I would say they're rising to the occasion. I think for operators who have dispersed operations doing a lot of different kinds of trips across the country and have a lot of different bases, they've sort of not been able to pull that off because you know, every agency, every site, every forest has a different protocol, every County. And sometimes the forest is saying you have to comply with all the counties that overlap. So I think the guides and outfitters that we're doing at best are setting expectations for people too. So when people show up, they know what they're getting, they're sort of constraining their operation in a way that they can manage it. You know, shuttles are real pickle trying to turn people around in a 15 passenger van and still respect social distancing or whatever. So they're either fogging their buses after every trip or let's say like having people wear face masks. Maybe setting up partitions between the seats. Going to all these lengths and just trying to actively clean and maybe push some of their operation outside. Maybe the registration desk is moved from the retail shop to the front porch or something. And also like posting all these protocols, that's a key part of it. There are some significant changes in the world ahead of us. What have you seen or heard in the last few weeks that are inspiring to you? You know Rick, it feels like we're just moving from one big societal wake-up call to the next doesn't it? Cause we certainly not through the coronavirus. Like we are in the middle of it. I expect a second wave. I don't know when that's going to come, but with all those folks close together and all those protests sites. George Floyd's death and everything that's come from that, the global movement for equality has been remarkable to watch. And for me in this position has been a wake-up call that we have been probably slow to evolve as an industry, you know? It's a predominantly white industry, at least the parts that I see. Certainly, you don't have to go that far South to see that there's plenty of people who love the outdoors who are black or Brown. And I think it's kind of presumptuous to categorize like towards this white space, but when you go to an America Outdoors conference that's what it looks like. So I think we have our work cut out for us to be relevant from now on You mentioned you were out outside with your kids recently. What other activities do you participate in these days? I have a six-year-old and a 10-year-old. So you know, we visit the state parks, Wyoming State Parks has put up a number of yurts all across their system. There's a really nice Canyon just outside of Lander called Sinks Canyon. We were going up there and spent a few days. It's literally a 20-minute drive, which is nice. And you're really in it, we found a walk-in yurt that's really close to the river. It's the Little Porosia River that runs through there. And we went on hikes, went looking for wildflowers. And do you know about that Forrest Fen poem, you know what I'm talking about? Forrest Fen is a guy out of Santa Fe who wrote a poem, he had cancer I think. I thought it was like 98. It could have been, it could have been the early oughts. He's like a rare goods collector and he hit a treasure in the Rockies somewhere. So we were looking for it. I wanted to sort of get the kids excited, so nothing like a treasure hunt. And he had landed here. He flew into Lander like back in 2003 and people would conjecture that he may have even possibly buried his treasure up Sinks, Canyon. So I was said, let's go find it. I'm curious where they found it, they haven't said where they found it. It was like off the Yellowstone River, just outside of the park in Northern Montana. But we'll see. Do you have any suggestions or advice for folks that might want to get into the outdoor adventure biz? Yeah. let's think about folks who have been in an urban environment for a long time and are trying to find a connection. Because I think the paths are a little bit more clear for folks who've had had that. So you know, if you want to be a guide and outfitter, you sorta gotta be a grunt for a while. You gotta get into the ground level. You gotta paddle the supply boat for awhile. But you don't need stuff, you know? Stuff is fun and it's easy to collect and I have more stuff than I need, but I think what you really need is that, you know, a desire for adventure. Look at a map, find that outdoor space that's nearby and go explore it. I remember a time I was living in DC and I got a pair of pants for Christmas that were lined, I think they were these thin polyester pants that had sort of this mesh lining. I was like, Oh, look, these are winter camping pants. I drove into the Shenandoah and went camping because I had these pants. Well, the pants didn't do anything. They were not the equipment that I needed. But it was still just like being inadequately supplied and surviving. Your first time is always a disaster. Do you have a favorite piece of outdoor gear under a hundred dollars? Yea, this is a little bit of metaphorical, I guess, but it's going to be like a Brunton compass. It's a company that manufactured these things for years, just out of Riverton, Wyoming, 30 minutes North of here. Get a quality compass, figure out how to use it, get a map, like USGS map at $8 a pop or a few of them. So you got a few quads, then you can figure out where you're going. That's my favorite piece of equipment. If you could have a huge banner to hang at the entrance to the outdoor retailer show, what would it say? I've been to the Outdoor Retailer show. The America Outdoors doesn't usually have booth there, which is funny, but yeah, good question. Um, gosh, it's like, “we are still here” is almost what I think the banner should say. And I really hope that's the case. I'll tell you what, we've done a number of surveys of the guides and outfitters, just to see how things were going. And when this first sort of kicked off people were saying that if things were shut down for three months or more that they would be out of work, 35% of guides and outfitters were saying that. 60% of guides and outfitters were saying that if they were shut down for six months or more that their businesses wouldn't survive. So, this has all been about survival, right? So as we wrap up, is there anything else you want to say or ask our listeners? I just want to appreciate everybody who tunes into your show and tries to find ways to get outdoors and find good gear. It's a great thing that you're doing. I think we both understand that gear is a means to an end. It's great to have good stuff. But it's not necessary to have a great experience. So whatever it takes to facilitate people's ability to find some time in nature. Chill out, get your head together, get your boat in the water, whatever it takes it's invaluable. If people want to follow up with you, what's the best way? americaoutdoors.org/contact     Please rate and review us  HERE  Thank you! [DISPLAY_ULTIMATE_PLUS]

Marc Randolph (@thatwillneverwork) is a veteran Silicon Valley entrepreneur, advisor, and investor. Marc was co-founder of Netflix, serving as their founding CEO,  the executive producer of their web site, and a member of their board of directors. Although best known for starting Netflix, Marc’s career as an entrepreneur spans more than four decades.  He has founded or co-founded more than half a dozen other successful start-ups, mentored rising entrepreneurs—including the co-founders of Looker Data, which was recently sold to Google for $2.6B—and invested in numerous successful tech ventures. He is a frequent speaker at industry events, works extensively with young entrepreneur programs, sits on the board of the environmental advocacy group 1% for the Planet, and chairs the National Outdoor Leadership School’s Board of Trustees. Website: https://www.marcrandolph.com/ Twitter: @mbrandolph Instagram: @thatwillneverwork Facebook: @marcbrandolph / https://www.facebook.com/marcbrandolph/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcrandolph 2:00 -  How Marc and his family became risk-encouraging—and how this set him up for success 12:30 - Influential entrepreneurs Marc has worked with and how that shaped his experience 22:00 - Netflix now vs. its humble beginnings and the beauty of startups 25:00 - What if Blockbuster had bought Netflix? 26:30 - The role of mentorship 36:45 - Culture and vision 1:00:45 - American exceptionalism and success Connect with Gary Rabine and DDCEO: Visit the DDCEO BLOG: http://ditchdiggerceo.com/ Like DDCEO on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DitchDiggerCEO Follow DDCEO on Twitter: https://twitter.com/DitchDiggerCEO Follow DDCEO on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/DitchDiggerCEO Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh03Px5ez_xe_oE_iJMMNIg/featured?view_as=subscriber

Marc Randolph is a veteran Silicon Valley entrepreneur, advisor and investor. Marc was co-founder of Netflix, serving as their founding CEO, as the executive producer of their web site, and as a member of their board of directors. Although best known for starting Netflix, Marc’s career as an entrepreneur spans more than four decades. He's founded or co-founded more than half a dozen other successful start-ups, mentored rising entrepreneurs including the co-founders of Looker Data which was recently sold to Google for $2.6B, and invested in numerous successful tech ventures. He is a frequent speaker at industry events, works extensively with young entrepreneur programs, sits on the board of the environmental advocacy group 1% for the Planet, and chairs the National Outdoor Leadership School’s Board of Trustees. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/georges-khalife/support

This week’s conversation is with Marc Randolph, a veteran Silicon Valley entrepreneur, advisor and investor.Marc is the co-founder of Netflix, served as their founding CEO, as the executive producer of their web site, and as a member of their board of directors.Although best known for starting Netflix, Marc’s career as an entrepreneur spans more than four decades.He's founded or co-founded more than half a dozen other successful start-ups, mentored rising entrepreneurs including the co-founders of Looker Data which recently sold to Google for $2.6B, and invested in numerous successful tech ventures.He is a frequent speaker at industry events, works extensively with young entrepreneur programs, sits on the board of the environmental advocacy group 1% for the Planet, and chairs the National Outdoor Leadership School’s Board of Trustees.In this conversation we discuss how he and co-founder Reed Hastings developed the idea for Netflix, how to create a strong organizational culture, and why focus is the key for any entrepreneur. ------Please support our partners!We're able to keep growing and creating content for YOU because of their support. We believe in their mission and would appreciate you supporting them in return!!To take advantage of deals from our partners, head to https://www.findingmastery.net/partners where you'll find all discount links and codes mentioned in the podcast.

Life can be overwhelming and busy, however that doesn’t mean you still can’t find time for yourself.  Liza Howard, elite ultra-marathon runner, coach, employee at the National Outdoor Leadership School, and mother of two children knows in order to succeed in her sport and remain at the top of her running game she must find time to put in the miles.  Despite a busy homelife, Liza has managed to win the Leadville 100, Rocky Racoon 100, and the Javelina Jundred.  As opposed to making excuses, Liza has used a hectic schedule as a motivator to get out and run. Be Happy with Your Mess It may not always be easy to find time for you, but you have to.  Liza says at some point, something has to give.  You have your needs. For example, you have to work to earn money.  You have to take care of your children.  But you don’t always have to have the cleanest house, or the most well-manicured yard.  You need to identify the things which are not as important for you to keep up on all the time and make peace with those things.  Be happy with your mess.  Realize there will be times when you have to make time for yourself for your own sanity.  If you cannot keep up with everything, that’s fine.  Allow yourself the time to go out and run.  Allowing yourself the opportunity to go and train and to feel the freedom that comes with running will give you the necessary mental break and will make you a better mother, spouse, and person. Age is Just a Number Too often we put limitations on ourselves.  Our mindset entering a run is just as important as our physical capabilities.  It is not a useful mindset to believe we are too old and can no longer run or can’t compete anymore.  Of course, as we get older there will be natural physical decreases, however, it seems to be us that put those limitations on ourselves.  There will always be time to continue to improve.  There are people, such as Liza, who are older runners, yet they are still continuing to win ultra-marathons, put in forty mile runs, and race Olympic qualifiers.  Being fast is not as important as trying to get the most out of your body. Tips on Staying Motivated Finding the energy to get motivated can be a challenge.  Set a scheduled time to when you can go out and run each day.  If you miss that scheduled time, that’s ok.  Don’t let that hang over your head.  Just look forward to being able to run the next day.  When you run don’t feel like you have to go out for an hour each time.  Commit to five minutes.  Get out the door, and once that five minutes hits, odds are you’ll want to continue running.  Continue to make small commitments and as you accomplish those small goals, it will make setting and obtaining bigger goals easier. Don’t compare yourself to others.  Some of your friends may be able to go out and run amazing trails and have these incredible training runs.  That may not always be the case for you, and that’s ok.  While training for Ultra-Marathon races Liza said she has had to run 40 miles on the treadmill and has a 2.1 mile loop near her house that she will run over and over again so that she can stop in and check on her family during her training runs. Someone else’s reality may not be your reality.  But, continue to put in the miles and train for your race. One motivating factor Liza uses is always having a race on the calendar.  If you have something to train for, you’ll have the desire to go run.  You’ll want to show up race day with your best self: prepared, motivated, and with a positive attitude.  A positive attitude allows you to go out and overcome obstacles.  Sometimes, regardless of preparation, you may have a bad race.  Don’t focus on the negatives, even if you have a bad race or a bad run.  Use it to challenge yourself to do it again. Not only is Liza an amazing runner, she also does a lot for her community.  Each year Liza works with approximately thirty veterans, through her Band of Runners trail camp, who are struggling to be physically active and connect with their communities.  The camp’s mission is to share the community of trail running and the physical and psychological benefits associated with running in nature.  It also helps to connect them with other trail runners in their communities and provide them with a strong support group.    Resources: Band of Runners Website Liza Howard Twitter Liza Howard Website Liza Howard Instagram   Thank you to my wonderful sponsors Generation UCAN, Altra, and Body Health for sponsoring this episode of the Running for Real Podcast. Generation UCAN has been with me through a lot of my races and in my every day life. This product has been my go to nutritional product for marathon training and racing when I was getting all of my best times. It gives you a steady energy without the sugar, so there are no sugar high or crashes! Use code  TINAMUIR25 for 25% off.   I am thrilled to announce my exciting partnership with Altra, as an athlete and a sponsorship, I have loved their shoes as well as what this company stands for. So as a special treat to Running4Real listeners  they are going to give away a pair of shoes every month this year! Go HERE to enter to be a winner a free pair of shoes. And once you have entered once you will be entered for the entire year.   If you are struggling to recover quick enough from your training, my little secret is to use BodyHealth Perfect Amino to get you there. It contains all the essential amino acids, and is very easy for your body to use and begin the repair process. Click the link and use code TINAMUIR10 for 10% off.   Thanks for Listening! I hope you enjoyed today's episode. To share your thoughts: Leave a note in the comment section below. Join the Running for Real Facebook Group and share your thoughts on the episode (or future guests you would like to hear from) Share this show on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or Pinterest. To help out the show: Leave an honest review on iTunes. Your ratings and reviews will really help me climb up the iTunes rankings and I promise, I read every single one. Not sure how to leave a review or subscribe, you can find out here. Thank you to Liza, I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the show.

Marc Randolph is a veteran Silicon Valley entrepreneur, advisor and investor. Marc was co-founder of Netflix, serving as their founding CEO, as the executive producer of their web site, and as a member of their board of directors.Although best known for starting Netflix, Marc's career as an entrepreneur spans more than four decades. He's founded or co-founded more than half a dozen other successful start-ups, mentored rising entrepreneurs including the co-founders of Looker Data which was recently sold to Google for $2.6B, and invested in numerous successful tech ventures.He is a frequent speaker at industry events, works extensively with young entrepreneur programs, sits on the board of the environmental advocacy group 1% for the Planet, and chairs the National Outdoor Leadership School's Board of Trustees.- https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316530204/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0Catch my book - Screw Being Shy, March 14th on my website markmetry.comPlease do NOT hesitate to reach out to me for any reason on LinkedIn, Instagram, via email mark@vudream.com, text me 508-925-0261!LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-metry/Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/markmetry/Twitter - https://twitter.com/markymetryMedium - https://medium.com/@markymetryFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/Humans.2.0.PodcastMark Metry - https://www.markmetry.com/Humans 2.0 Twitter - https://twitter.com/Humans2Podcast

Marc Randolph is a veteran Silicon Valley entrepreneur, advisor and investor. Marc was co-founder of Netflix, serving as their founding CEO, as the executive producer of their web site, and as a member of their board of directors.Although best known for starting Netflix, Marc's career as an entrepreneur spans more than four decades. He's founded or co-founded more than half a dozen other successful start-ups, mentored rising entrepreneurs including the co-founders of Looker Data which was recently sold to Google for $2.6B, and invested in numerous successful tech ventures.He is a frequent speaker at industry events, works extensively with young entrepreneur programs, sits on the board of the environmental advocacy group 1% for the Planet, and chairs the National Outdoor Leadership School's Board of Trustees.- https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316530204/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0Catch my book - Screw Being Shy, March 14th on my website markmetry.comPlease do NOT hesitate to reach out to me for any reason on LinkedIn, Instagram, via email mark@vudream.com, text me 508-925-0261!LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-metry/Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/markmetry/Twitter - https://twitter.com/markymetryMedium - https://medium.com/@markymetryFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/Humans.2.0.PodcastMark Metry - https://www.markmetry.com/Humans 2.0 Twitter - https://twitter.com/Humans2Podcast

Part 2 of The Crew Reviews interview with author David Morrell. David is the award-winning author of First Blood, the novel in which Rambo was created along with thirty other books, including The Naked Edge, Creepers, The Brotherhood of the Rose, and The Spy Who Came for Christmas. Always interested in different ways to tell a story, he wrote the six-part comic-book series, Captain America: The Chosen, the two-part comic-book series, Spider-Man: Frost, and the standalone comic book, Savage Wolverine:Feral. His writing book, The Successful Novelist, analyzes what he has learned during his four decades as an author. Noted for his research, David is a graduate of the National Outdoor Leadership School for wilderness survival as well as the G. Gordon Liddy Academy of Corporate Security. He is also an honorary lifetime member of the Special Operations Association and the Association of Intelligence Officers. He has been trained in firearms, hostage negotiation, assuming identities, executive protection, and defensive/offensive driving, among numerous other action skills that he describes in his novels. He is also the co-founder of the International Thriller Writers organization. You can learn more about David Morrell by visiting www.davidmorrell.net Don't forget to subscribe to the CREW's channel, hit the "LIKE" button, and leave a comment. And if you want to learn more about the guys from The Crew or see additional author interviews, visit us at http://www.thecrewreviews.com You can also follow us on social media Twitter | https://twitter.com/CREWbookreviews Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/thecrewreviews Facebook | https://www.facebook.com/thecrewreviews

On this episode, The Crew Reviews podcast interviews David Morrell (Part 1). David is the award-winning author of First Blood, the novel in which Rambo was created along with thirty other books, including The Naked Edge, Creepers, The Brotherhood of the Rose, and The Spy Who Came for Christmas. Always interested in different ways to tell a story, he wrote the six-part comic-book series, Captain America: The Chosen, the two-part comic-book series, Spider-Man: Frost, and the standalone comic book, Savage Wolverine:Feral. His writing book, The Successful Novelist, analyzes what he has learned during his four decades as an author. Noted for his research, David is a graduate of the National Outdoor Leadership School for wilderness survival as well as the G. Gordon Liddy Academy of Corporate Security. He is also an honorary lifetime member of the Special Operations Association and the Association of Intelligence Officers. He has been trained in firearms, hostage negotiation, assuming identities, executive protection, and defensive/offensive driving, among numerous other action skills that he describes in his novels.  He is also the co-founder of the International Thriller Writers organization. You can learn more about David Morrell by visiting www.davidmorrell.net Don't forget to subscribe to the CREW's channel, hit the "LIKE" button, and leave a comment. And if you want to learn more about the guys from The Crew or see additional author interviews, visit us at http://www.thecrewreviews.com You can also follow us on social media Twitter | https://twitter.com/CREWbookreviews Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/thecrewreviews Facebook | https://www.facebook.com/thecrewreviews

Haley Robison Dake is a Praxis Venture Partner. She was previously the CEO of Kammok, a company in Austin, Texas, that designs outdoor performance gear. She holds a BA in Business and Finance from UT Austin and a joint MBA and MEd from Stanford University. She is a National Outdoor Leadership School graduate and worked as a field instructor in Wyoming, leading outdoor expeditions focused on personal leadership. Haley comes as a guest of JBU's Center of Faith and Flourishing.

Recorded: December 12, 2019 The lovely Kristen Doute is my guest today! We chat about how she got cast on “Vanderpump Rules” while working as a server, her upcoming book “He's Making You Crazy” about relationships and self-love, and becoming an entrepreneur with a plethora of businesses!  Follow Kristen:  www.twitter.com/kristendoute www.instagram.com/kristendoute - Check out our website: www.nottoodeep.com  - This episode is brought to you by The National Outdoor Leadership School, Everlane, and Mercari. 

Marc Randolph is a veteran Silicon Valley entrepreneur, advisor and investor. Marc was co-founder of Netflix, serving as their founding CEO, as the executive producer of their web site, and as a member of their board of directors.Although best known for starting Netflix, Marc’s career as an entrepreneur spans more than four decades. He's founded or co-founded more than half a dozen other successful start-ups, mentored rising entrepreneurs including the co-founders of Looker Data which was sold to Google for $2.6B, and invested in numerous successful tech ventures.He is a frequent speaker at industry events, works extensively with young entrepreneur programs, sits on the board of the environmental advocacy group 1% for the Planet, and chairs the National Outdoor Leadership School’s Board of Trustees.

Best selling author, photographer, video producer, and educator Marc Silber joins the show to talk about his latest book "Create: Tools from Seriously Talented People to Unleash Your Creative Life", and how he went from an artistic young kid with a camera hanging out around Heigh Ashbury in the late 60s, to the art institute of San Francisco, to teaching mountaineering, to spending years as a business consultant, to finally re-kindling his love of photography, filmmaking, and a creative way of living.  Marc grew up in the hills of Menlo Park, CA and was introduced to photography and the darkroom at a very early age.  During his high school years he had the opportunity to spend some time in Mexico with his Rolleiflex and created a body of work that still inspires him today and sent him on a path that would lead him to the art institute of San Francisco.  Although Marc was always drawn towards visual storytelling, he was also very drawn to the outdoors, and started teaching mountaineering at the National Outdoor Leadership School.  It would be those years of early leadership training that would soon lead him back to education in the creative fields he always loved.  During our conversation Marc tells me what inspired him to start his YouTube series "Advancing Your Photography" where he interviews some of the top photographers in the world, the daily tools and habits he uses to help him stay motivated, creative, and productive, what he's learned from long conversations with so many successful creatives, and the advice he gives to others struggling to fulfill their creative goals.   To Learn More About Marc and To Buy His Book Visit: https://www.silberstudios.com To Watch his YouTube Series Advancing Your Photography Visit: https://www.youtube.com/user/marcsilber To Learn More About Visual Revolutionary Visit: http://www.visualrevolutionary.com And Follow on Instagram At: https://www.instagram.com/visualrevolutionary/    

Why Listen: Shortly after leaving the Marine Corps, Mike traveled to Cambodia, where he worked to setup a cross fit gym. He went on to business school… in Malaysia. And then he became a National Outdoor Leadership School instructor, where he teaches civilians and members of the military about wilderness survival and leadership. Which is to say - Mike is a Veteran who is forging his own way, and thinking outside of the box. If you are interested in a non-traditional career path, or just a great story, this is the interview for you.   For those of you who enjoy this episode, be sure to check out: BTU #240 - Self Reliant Leadership (Jan Rutherford) - https://beyondtheuniform.org/blog/btu-240-self-reliant-leadership-jan-rutherford?rq=jan%20rutherford BTU #268 - How the Outdoors Saved My Life (Stacy Bare) - https://beyondtheuniform.org/blog/btu-268-how-the-outdoors-saved-my-life-stacy-bare?rq=stacy%20bare BTU #120 - Traveling the world for 4 years after Active Duty Navy (Tim Patterson) - https://beyondtheuniform.org/blog/btu-120-traveling-the-world-for-4-years-after-active-duty-navy-tim-patterson?rq=tim%20patterson   You’ll find links to each of those episodes in the show notes for this episode at http://www.BeyondTheUniform.org, where you’ll also find over 300 other completely free episodes, a whole host of online events, webinars and more.   About Mike Mike Titzer is a Field Instructor at the National Outdoor Leadership School, or NOLS. NOLS is a nonprofit global wilderness school that will help you step forward boldly as a leader. He served in the Marine Corps for six years. Since his military service, he opened aCrossFit gym in Cambodia, and went to business school in Malaysia. He holds an MBA from the Asia School of Business, a Masters in International Relations from American University, and a BS in Mechanical Engineering from the Naval Academy. 

Marc Randolph is a veteran Silicon Valley entrepreneur, advisor and investor. Marc was co-founder of Netflix, serving as their founding CEO, as the executive producer of their web site, and as a member of their board of directors. Marc recently released his book, That Will Never Work: The Birth of Netflix and the Amazing Life of an Idea.  Although best known for starting Netflix, Marc's career as an entrepreneur spans more than four decades. He's founded or co-founded more than half a dozen other successful start-ups, mentored rising entrepreneurs including the co-founders of Looker Data which was recently sold to Google for $2.6B, and invested in numerous successful tech ventures. He is a frequent speaker at industry events, works extensively with young entrepreneur programs, sits on the board of the environmental advocacy group 1% for the Planet, and chairs the National Outdoor Leadership School's Board of Trustees. This was a wide-reaching conversation about the lessons learned from the early days of Netflix, back when they were still wrestling with making VHS and then DVD by mail, a compelling business model. Expect to take many gems of wisdom and memorable anecdotes out of this one, including: Why Netflix turned down an 8-figure acquisition offer from Amazon after just a year of operating and before they had anything resembling a sustainable business model What happpened when Blockbuster turned down the opportunity to buy Netflix for just $50M; What truly differentiates success from failure at a tech startup - hint, it’s not genius; and How Netflix went about scaling its freedom-oriented, high performing culture from 7 people to 7,000 WIth that, strap yourself in for my conversation with the co-founder of Netflix, Marc Randolph. Topics Discussed: Surfing What the initial inspiration for Netflix was Why ceativity is having many at bats Calamities that characterised Netflix’s early days Why business plans don’t survives a collision with a real customer. Why Netflix cannibalised its video sales revenues (most of its revenue) to pursue video rental by mail (none of its revenue) Turning down an acquisition offer from Amazon, even when Netflix had little going for it Being turned down by Blockbuster On stepping down from CEO and letting Reed Hastings take over How to fight the complacency that comes with success How to attract the best talent to your company, even if you can’t afford them Why culture is what you do, not what you say Why leadership is about helping people find their own way to the destination How to empower peopple to make decisions, instead of suffocate them with process How to scale culture Firing your team, even after they had made large sacrifices to join you What was the breakthrough that catapultued Netflix from startup to an actual business? Why Marc left Netflix shortly after its IPO in 2002 What two very important things everybody should learn about themselves Marc’s date night and dedication to balance at Netflix Why more money doesn’t equal more happiness Show Notes: Book: https://amzn.to/2W5NuSl  Twitter: @mbrandolph Instagram: @thatwillneverwork ---------- Listen to Future Squared on Apple Podcasts  goo.gl/sMnEa0 Also available on: Spotify, Google Podcasts, TuneIn, Stitcher and Soundcloud Twitter: www.twitter.com/steveglaveski Instagram: www.instagram.com/@thesteveglaveski Future Squared: www.futuresquared.xyz Steve Glaveski: www.steveglaveski.com Medium: www.medium.com/@steveglaveski Steve's book: www.employeetoentrepreneur.io NEW Facebook group: www.facebook.com/groups/futuresquared/

Coming to Beyond the Uniform this October, 2019, we have three, free, live webinars - the first we’ve done in a long while, as well as brand new episodes every Monday and Thursday, including:   BTU #312 - The Wounded Warrior Project (Tom Kastner) BTU #313 - Mastering Sales (Tyler Johnston) BTU #315 - How to be a better storyteller (Paul Smith) BTU #316 - Navy to Nebraska State Government (Jason Jackson) BTU #317 - Army to EVP @ Hornets Sports & Entertainment (James Jordan) BTU #318 - Navy to Clean Tech & the DOE (Dan Misch)   Plus -  stories from a serial entrepreneur in Southeast Asia, an instructor for the National Outdoor Leadership School, and an expert who’s going to teach us the ins and outs of emotional intelligence.   If you’re not on our newsletter - get on it - today - there are about 3 new programs we’re launching in the next 30 days and you do not want to miss out. Also, stay tuned for our informal, Saturday episodes - Behind BTU - where I answer your questions, provide takeaways from upcoming episodes, and share personal thoughts about life, love, leadership, and more. We’ve got a killer line up for October - don’t miss out.   

Marc Randolph is a veteran Silicon Valley entrepreneur, advisor and investor. Marc was co-founder of Netflix, serving as their founding CEO, as the executive producer of their web site, and as a member of their board of directors. Although best known for starting Netflix, Marc’s career as an entrepreneur spans more than four decades. He’s founded or co-founded more than half a dozen other successful start-ups, mentored rising entrepreneurs including the co-founders of Looker Data which was recently sold to Google for $2.6B, and invested in numerous successful tech ventures. He is a frequent speaker at industry events, works extensively with young entrepreneur programs, sits on the board of the environmental advocacy group 1% for the Planet, and chairs the National Outdoor Leadership School’s Board of Trustees. His new book is That Will Never Work: The Birth of Netflix and the Amazing Life of an Idea. Recorded live at the Tabernacle in London's Notting Hill on 23rd September 2019. 5x15 brings together five outstanding individuals to tell of their lives, passions and inspirations. There are only two rules - no scripts and only 15 minutes each. Learn more about 5x15 events: www.5x15stories.com Twitter: www.twitter.com/5x15stories Facebook: www.facebook.com/5x15stories Instagram: www.instagram.com/5x15stories

A former US Marine/Special Ops commander, the co-founders of Leadership Techniques International, and the director/coach of the offshore sailing team at the US Naval Academy in Annapolis talk about what it takes to lead highly effective, high-performing teams. Project management is not for the faint of heart! Courage, selflessness, and dedication to the well-being of the team are some of the qualities needed to lead a truly high-performing team. Everyone needs to be 100% engaged in the endeavor. Bring your team to the table and let them have their say. If you really want to up your PM game, this episode is inspiring as well as practical. Listen, learn, and get a free PDU. PDU Information Earn education PDUs in the PMI Talent Triangle for each podcast. Use the following information in PMI’s CCRS system to register the PDUs for this podcast: PDU Category: Online or Digital Media   Provider Number: 4634   Activity Number: PMPOV0060   PDU Claim Code: 4634EBDJTZ   PDUs for this episode: 1 About the Speakers Jahn Tihansky has carved out a successful career in the marine industry including manufacturing, sales, consulting and education.  He started two companies - a manufacturing entity based in Florida in 1985, and then an on-water education program based in Maryland in 1993.  There he developed recreational courses, as well as team-building programs for corporate clients including Northrup-Grumman, Marriott, Pfizer and Coca-Cola. In 2005 he became Director/Head Coach of the Offshore Sailing Team at the United States Naval Academy. His program’s objectives include developing leadership and teamwork skills. During his tenure, his team has won four national championships along with numerous other prestigious ocean racing trophies. Leadership Techniques, LLC David B. Newman and Lisa Hammer are co-founders and principals of Leadership Techniques, LLC. They have the honor of being part of an elite group of instructors selected to deliver multiple courses for PMI SeminarsWorld®, a series of professional seminars which are held annually in various cities throughout the United States and internationally. David B. Newman, PMP, PMI-ACP, SPHR, CSM, ITIL holds a Master’s degree in Technical Management from Johns Hopkins University. He has a diversified background in engineering and product development, is a certified trainer for leadership seminars, and loves to share his experience and extensive background with others.   Lisa Hammer, PMP has more than 30 years of experience, specializing in project management and staff development for both large and small firms. She has managed the implementation of several multi-million-dollar programs, which included coordination of staff, consultants and subcontractors to achieve client goals while maintaining budget and cost controls across all activities.  Colonel Steve Corcoran retired from the United States Marine Corps after 28 years of active service. Commanding at every level in the most austere and challenging environments, he successfully led the nations finest and was recognized for distinguished service in combat and peacetime.  Steve has been the Chief of Cyber Strategy for the Telos Corporation since retiring, successfully taking his leadership knowledge from the Marine Corps, National Outdoor Leadership School into a corporate environment as well as continuing to serve and mentor other veterans transitioning into the civilian workforce. With a strong passion for serving veterans, he sits on the board of directors for Warriors At Ease©.

In the Boundary Waters, it can happen in an instant. No matter how experienced a paddler is starting a trip, tipping a canoe and falling into the frigid waters can happen to anyone through a variety of ways. In late fall 2018, Jacob Leingang, Rachel Nethercut and their dog Lathan experienced the very real dangers that play out when a canoe tips in the Boundary Waters. In this episode, Podcaster Matthew Baxley hears their harrowing story. Also featured in episode 14 is a conversation with Greg Gaskin, an instructor with the Wilderness Medicine Institute and National Outdoor Leadership School. Podcast host Joe Friedrichs talks with Gaskin about Rachel and Jake’s story of survival and his own reflections on the importance of wilderness medicine and safety.

TJ took improv comedy classes at the Upright Citizens Brigade in LA.TJ and I met at the Jack Mountain Bushcraft School in Masardis, Maine.Before coming to Bushcraft school, TJ attended bike school in Ashland, Oregon.Souther Oregon University offers a Masters in Outdoor Adventure & Expedition Leadership.TJ and I both considered enrolling in a National Outdoor Leadership School course but ultimately decided not to enroll. Once TJ and I went to a bar in Ashland, ME specifically to watch the Miami Dolphins play. It took several phone calls to the boss man and cable finagling but they eventually put on the game. Forgetting Sarah Marshal is a great film, look for TJ clapping in the wedding scene. Miracle is one of TJ’s favorite films, it tells the true story of the 1980 US hockey team’s victory over Russia. Ernest Shackelton was a professional explorer known for his expeditions to Antartica. He’s also one of TJ’s heros. If you visit TJ’s home state of South Dakota, stop by the Crazy Horse Memorial.

Table of Contents 1. Meet Stephen 2. The Telos Corporation 3. Addressing adversity with excellence 4. Cut and Run vs Building trust 5. Get the 1st call when news is bad 6. Intellectual and Emotional courage 7. Creating Desire 8. Communicating respect 9. Get in touch with Stephen Time 00:46 02:28 02:49 06:15 09:00 13:50 17:37 24:25 27:09   NICK WALKER:  Welcome to Manage This, the podcast by project managers for project managers.  Every two weeks we meet to discuss what matters to you in the field of project management.  We talk with the movers and shakers, those who have been through the wringer, PMs just like you, about their successes and their failures, too. I'm your host, Nick Walker, and with me are the guys with a long string of successes behind them, Andy Crowe and Bill Yates.  And Bill, we have somebody with us via Skype from Tampa, Florida, someone who has been a leader in just multiple capacities. BILL YATES:  Yes.  Steve, we are so excited to have you as our guest.  You've got experiences recently in the private sector.  But for 28 years you served our country.  We thank you for that, and I'll let Nick describe more of that.  But welcome to the show. STEVE CORCORAN:  Thank you. NICK WALKER:  Yeah, let's meet Steve.  Well, Steve Corcoran retired from the United States Marine Corps after 28 years of active service.  In that time he was recognized for distinguished service in combat and peacetime.  Steve is now the Chief of Cyber Strategy for the Telos Corporation, successfully taking his leadership knowledge from the Marine Corps, and also from the National Outdoor Leadership School, into a corporate environment.  He mentors other veterans transitioning into the civilian workforce and sits on the Board of Directors for Warriors at Ease.  Steve, thanks so much for joining us here on Manage This. STEVE CORCORAN:  Thank you for having me. NICK WALKER:  I am intrigued that you've made that transition from a career in the military to a career in the corporate world, and that you actually help others in that transition, as well.  Was that an easy transition for you?  Did it come naturally? STEVE CORCORAN:  Well, you know, I was very fortunate.  You know, United States Marine Corps is what I considered a bubble of excellence.  And when I made my transition, I left the United States Marine Corps, I just lifted up another bubble of excellence and walked into that, which was the Telos Corporation.  And that for me was a very, very easy transition.  And I didn't realize that, you know, until quite a few years.  I've been with them for six years.  And they're absolutely a phenomenal organization on many different levels.  But the reason why I'm staying with them is because of the leadership that is there and the lessons that they've taught me.  And what I've been able to do is take those lessons and impart them to veterans and to other individuals that are transitioning in. BILL YATES:  Let me ask a quick question.  What does that company do?  What do you do?  What do you do, and what does the company do at Telos? STEVE CORCORAN:  Telos is a top 25 internationally ranked cybersecurity company, and we primarily work in cybersecurity, standard cybersecurity.  We work in mobility and also identity management. BILL YATES:  Excellent.  Steve, when we were talking before, one of the things that you said you realized after you had transitioned from a long military career was you realized, okay, wow.  I benefited from years and years of leadership excellence.  I had excellent leaders I worked with.  I had excellent training.  I had excellent preparation.  And then when you moved into the private sector you were fortunate enough to find that again.  And two of the key words that you've said that really stick to me is what made that clear to you was how the organization handled adversity and uncertainty.  So tell us, in your transition,

 Marc Silber is an award-winning professional video producer, photographer, and photography educator who has been successfully working in the field for decades. Marc combines his passion for the visual art of photography with his love of life.   He started out learning darkroom skills and the basics of photography at the legendary Peninsula School in Menlo Park, CA, in the ‘60s, and moved on to hone his skills to professional standards at the famed San Francisco Art Institute, one of the oldest and most prestigious schools of higher education in art and photography in the United States. Marc has been an educator since then as well; he began his teaching career at the age of 19 at the National Outdoor Leadership School, teaching mountaineering. When teaching a life-or-death subject such as mountaineering, one learns how to make sure the students understand the material; when Marc moved into teaching photography in workshops all over the country, he became renowned as an engaging and helpful speaker and coach, as his greatest joy comes from helping others. More recently, Marc has embraced the digital age with a highly popular YouTube show called “Advancing Your Photography,” which has won several Telly Awards and other recognition for his work there.   Resources: Workshops     Download the free Candid Frame app for your favorite smart device. Click here to download for . Click here to download Support the work we do at The Candid Frame with contributing to our Patreon effort.  You can do this by visiting or visiting the website and clicking on the Patreon button. You can also provide a one-time donation via . You can follow Ibarionex on and .    

Lander, Wyoming is a great place to get lost. It’s home to some of the best search and rescue volunteers in the country.Despite a 10-day initial search involving hundreds of volunteers, dogs, aerial support and the latest technology, Amy Wroe Bechtel was never found.My guest on this episode is Dr. John Gookin, Ph.dHe was the Operations Chief and Deputy Incident Commander for the Amy Wroe Bechtel search in 1997.He’s also the Curriculum & Research Manager for the National Outdoor Leadership School in Lander, which instructs thousands of students each year in leadership and outdoor skills.

It’s no secret that there is a lack of diversity in the outdoor world and our guest on Wisconsin Notes today, Jorge Moreno, is on a mission to change that. My conversation with Jorge paints a picture of what growing up in an urban environment with little exposure to the outdoors was like for him and how he stumbled upon a community in San Francisco who forced him out of his comfort zone and into the woods. Now, he’s working with the National Outdoor Leadership School to educate kids from a young age so they don’t have to wait until they adults to learn about the beauty of the wilderness.

Today’s episode features field biologist Roger Smith, the founder and chair of the Teton Raptor Center, a rehabilitation facility in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, that annually cares for more than 130 injured birds. Roger and his wife, Margaret Creel, who also is a field biologist, established the Teton Raptor Center in 1997 as a facility committed to rehabilitating birds of prey. Both Ken and Dawn have visited the center, which has an education outreach program that reached nearly 37,000 people in 2016. “For our listeners who have never been to the Teton Raptor Center, I can honestly say that a visit to the center and the Grand Teton National Park would be well worth your time,” says Ken at the end of episode 51. Roger has spent his entire professional career in the natural sciences and environmental education. After high school, he headed off to the University of Montana and started his life as a field biologist researching grizzly bears in northwestern Montana in 1977. He continued to study grizzly and black bears in Alaska, Maine and Colorado before completing his secondary science degree in 1984. After teaching high school science in Montana, he moved to Jackson Hole in 1985 and joined the resident faculty at the Teton Science School. At the school, he designed and implemented a field-oriented natural science curriculum for adults and children. In 1987, he joined the field staff at the National Outdoor Leadership School and led courses in Wyoming, Texas, Mexico and Kenya. In 1994, Roger completed his Master’s degree in Wildlife Biology and Physiology at the University of Wyoming. Roger’s research has focused on raptors and ravens of the Grand Teton National Park. His research and papers have been published in a number of peer-reviewed professional journals. In 1994, he helped initiate and manage the professional residency in environmental education program at the Teton Science School, and was on the faculty there until 1999. He managed all aspects of independent research, including grant and proposal writing. Roger founded the Teton Raptor Center in 1996 and became the Resident Naturalist at 3Creek Ranch in 2002. Links: Teton Raptor Center: http://tetonraptorcenter.org Raptor Center video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdTB9hcF02k Roger's IHMC Ocala lecture: http://www.ihmc.us/lectures/20170308/ Show Notes: 4:26: Ken and Dawn welcome Roger to the show. 4:40: Dawn asks Roger where he grew up and what kind of childhood he had. 6:56: Dawn discusses how Roger went to the University of Montana to study wildlife biology and as a freshman volunteered for a grizzly bear project, where he spent time in the wild analyzing grizzly bear scat. 8:54: Ken recalls a story Roger told him about him working on a black-bear project in 1979, which involved trapping and tagging bears in northern Maine. Ken comments on how this was an interesting time to be in the Maine woods as a young person. Ken then asks Roger if there are any adventures he would like to share from his time in northern Maine. 12:46: Ken comments on how bears are also found in the Tetons and throughout the Yellowstone ecosystem. He discusses how we often see warning signs posted to alert hikers and campers in areas where bears have been active. Ken then asks Roger if we have seen changes in activity in recent times, and if so, what drives those changes. 15:15: Ken discusses how he read a story about a grizzly bear breaking into someone’s garage to eat an elk carcass. 16:22: Dawn says that the grizzly bear is a reclusive animal and asks Roger what we know about its lifecycle. 18:07: Dawn comments that bears are opportunistic omnivores, eating a lot of berries and plants. She then asks Roger to discuss a grizzly’s diet. 20:18: Ken asks Roger to discuss bear hibernation and how it is different than other hibernators. 24:43: Ken discusses his amazement with the management of waste and kidney function,

Jeff Dvorak grew up on Long Island, NY and after finishing high school there, he did a gap year with the National Outdoor Leadership School. His love of the outdoors, lead him to stay out west and attend the University of Montana. After graduation with a BA in Journalism and English, he began his education career working with at-risk youth—first in a therapeutic wilderness program in Idaho and, then creating and directing a service-learning program in Costa Rica for a therapeutic boarding school based in Western Massachusetts. Jeff returned to school and completed a Masters of Education with a focus on Administration at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst. After graduating with high honors Jeff was given a full scholarship to participate in a doctoral program in Special Education Leadership at UMass. While working on his doctoral degree he continued to work in local public schools as English teacher and then an administrator. Subsequent positions included a post as a Assistant Principal in London, England and then five years as a 6-12th grade college counselor for the San Francisco Public School District. Jeff is currently the college and career counselor at the Greenwood School in Putney, VT, which is a school that serves 6-12th grade boys with learning differences. Since 2010, Jeff has worked for The University of California, Berkeley as a freshman application reader, a position that has afforded him insight not only into what great universities are looking for, but more importantly what separates one great student from thousands of other high-performing applicants. Jeff continues to read thousands of applications ever year for UC Berkeley. Currently based in Riverdale, NY; Jeff work runs a Eduction Consulting practice that works with young people and their families to find and place students at top universities, traditional high schools, therapeutic programs and schools, post graduate and gap year programs, schools and colleges that serve students with learning differences, and programs that help young adults move towards independence. jeff@educoconsulting.com 704-724-1781

Alan Lovewell comes from a Cape Cod fishing family that dates back to whaling times. He grew up out on the water surfing, diving and sailing as often as possible. He move west to attend UC Santa Cruz, and upon graduating went to teach sailing on the Sea of Cortez with the National Outdoor Leadership School. There he witnessed illegal fishing practices by huge international trawlers. These damaging practices were not only bad for the environment, but he noticed the impact it had on the small coastal communities. Local fishermen were struggling to feed their families and make a living.   He returned to California to study Marine Policy and earned a Masters in International Environmental Policy at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey. Drawn to fisheries as he saw a unique opportunity to reconnect our communities to our oceans as our last wild food source. He realized that the health of the environment is deeply tied to food production and what we eat.  He founded Real Good Fish (formerly Local Catch Monterey Bay in 2012) as a solution to reconnect our communities to the ocean and local fisheries. Alan has spent time working with The Nature Conservancy and Conservation International in Indonesia. He was a Sea Grant Fellow with The West Coast Governors Alliance for Ocean Health at NOAA’s Northwest Fisheries Science Center and Southwest Fisheries Science Center. In 2014, he won “Entrepreneur of the Year” in Monterey County.

Alan Lovewell comes from a Cape Cod fishing family that dates back to whaling times. He grew up out on the water surfing, diving and sailing as often as possible. He move west to attend UC Santa Cruz, and upon graduating went to teach sailing on the Sea of Cortez with the National Outdoor Leadership School. There he witnessed illegal fishing practices by huge international trawlers. These damaging practices were not only bad for the environment, but he noticed the impact it had on the small coastal communities. Local fishermen were struggling to feed their families and make a living.   He returned to California to study Marine Policy and earned a Masters in International Environmental Policy at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey. Drawn to fisheries as he saw a unique opportunity to reconnect our communities to our oceans as our last wild food source. He realized that the health of the environment is deeply tied to food production and what we eat.  He founded Real Good Fish (formerly Local Catch Monterey Bay in 2012) as a solution to reconnect our communities to the ocean and local fisheries. Alan has spent time working with The Nature Conservancy and Conservation International in Indonesia. He was a Sea Grant Fellow with The West Coast Governors Alliance for Ocean Health at NOAA's Northwest Fisheries Science Center and Southwest Fisheries Science Center. In 2014, he won “Entrepreneur of the Year” in Monterey County. Get full access to Writing by Kyle Thiermann at thiermann.substack.com/subscribe

A conversation with Dr. Megan Delaney - Assistant Professor in the Department of Professional Counseling at Monmouth University (MU) in Long Branch, New Jersey - on the art and science of using nature in counseling. Dr. Megan Delaney has a PhD in Counselor Education from Montclair State University (MSU) and is currently an Assistant Professor in the Department of Professional Counseling at Monmouth University (MU) in Long Branch, New Jersey.  Her research explores the influence of natural world on our mental health and the use of Ecotherapy in clinical practice and the counselor education classroom.  Trained in outdoor leadership through the National Outdoor Leadership School, Dr. Delaney spent several years as a wilderness instructor for organizations including the National Wildlife Federation and Outward Bound. Today she infuses Ecotherapy in her private practice with clients. Dr. Delaney is currently writing her book “Nature is Nurture: Counseling and the Natural World” anticipated in 2019 through Oxford University Press. Megan can be reached at mdelaney@monmouth.edu. For the APA citation for this episode visit www.thethoughfulcounselor.com

An American Ascent is a documentary (approx. 60 min.) about the first African-American expedition to tackle Denali while shedding light on the complex relationship many African-Americans have with the outdoors. The film documents the journey of nine African American climbers up the mountain and chronicles the many challenges of climbing the world's most iconic peaks. The goal of the film is to inspire kids in cities, particularly kids of color, to consider the outdoors. The film is produced by George Potter and written and directed by Andy Adkins. The National Outdoor Leadership School formed the team, “Expedition Denali.”  Source: An American Ascent website (http://www.anamericanascent.com). Watch An American Accent by: Purchasing the DVD on its website Streaming it on: iTunes (Documentary section) Amazon Video (Indie Movies section) Google Play VUDU Vimeo YouTube   2017 NCAA Basketball Tournament Early Predictions Purdue is going to win the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament UConn is going to win the NCAA Women's Basketball Tournament   Announcement Congratulations to NBA player Dirk Nowitzki for reaching #6 on the all-time scoring list. Congratulations Jennie Simms from Old Dominion University for being named Conference USA Player of the Year.   Don't forget to share and subscribe to this podcast. And join us on Facebook at www.facebook.com/groups/BlackGirlsTalkSports   Thank you!

“Climbing and the American Alpine Club have grown substantially over the last 10 years, and this growth allows us to do more of what we want to do: more good in the world.” --Phil Powers   LISTEN: Outdoor Entrepreneurism, Education, and Activism with Phil Powers   Famed climber and alpinist Phil Powers has pioneered thirty personal expeditions around the globe, including the first ascent of the Washburn Face of Denali and climbing K2 without supplemental oxygen. His visionary leadership and roles as entrepreneur and educator in the outdoor industry have grown equally influential. Phil currently serves as the CEO of the American Alpine Club, where he has vastly expanded the organization’s membership base and education and conservation efforts.   Phil formerly served as the vice president for institutional advancement at Naropa University and worked for seventeen years with the National Outdoor Leadership School as chief mountaineering instructor and development/partnerships director. An entrepreneur and author, Phil also owns Jackson Hole Mountain Guides and wrote NOLS Wilderness Mountaineering.   In this episode of the Take Me Outdoors podcast, Verde founder and CEO Kristin Carpenter-Ogden sits down with this mountaineering, climbing and outdoor industry legend to talk about the role of the outdoor industry in conservation and outdoor activism in a rapidly changing political climate. They also discuss how to the AAC works to improve climbing safety and education as the sport continues to diversify and grow, so that everyone can get outside. Phil shares what he learned working for NOLS for 17 years and mountaineering around the world; how he became an author; how business taught him to pause and be mindful; and ultimately, why despite all of his epic adventures, Phil would rather be rock climbing in the sun with his family.   Phil is a visionary and inspiration to everyone excited about getting outdoors and preserving the planet, and we hope you enjoy this conversation as much as we did!   Bulletpoints: Established in 1902 by climbers and conservationists, the American Alpine Club (AAC) is a goods and services organization that supports climbing and climbing landscapes. In addition to providing lodging and rescue services for its members, AAC plays an instrumental role in conservation, advocacy, and encouraging people to get outside through grants and education. After expanding its membership from 4,000 to 18,000 over the past 10 years, AAC is capitalizing on its blossoming base to do more good in the world, especially by deepening its commitment to public policy. AAC advocates for federal policies that protect and preserve public lands to ensure that organizations and individuals can get outside and can learn to do so the right way. AAC partners with organizations like the Outdoor Alliance, Outdoor Industry Association, and Access Fund to find and forward state and federal legislation that funds conservation and prevents the transfer of public lands to new ownership that would limit people’s access to them. AAC also mobilizes support through motivating members to participate by writing letters to and calling legislators. AAC continues its legacy of funding climbing, conservation and research projects through its grants program, which is larger than ever before. AAC will give away $60,000 in Live Your Dream grants this year. AAC is committed to expanding its education program, which entails streamlining education across the country and improving educational quality. This consists of working with institutions effectively to make sure climbing curricula are similar and by beginning to certify climbing instructors. Climbing is expanding and diversifying. Passionate about making climbing and exploration accessible to all, Phil and AAC welcome new climbers at the gym to the outside by increasing education. AAC Universal Belay Program strives to standardize belaying across the U.S. so that every American climber is armed with the knowledge and practice to belay in fundamentally sound way. The curriculum promotes three fundamental principles of belaying technique. Phil has written two books, an expedition planning guide (Climbing: Expedition Planning (Mountaineers Outdoor Expert) and the work he is most proud of, the textbook for mountain climbing at NOLS (Wilderness Mountaineering). As the Vice President for institutional advancement at Naropa University, Phil learned the power of pause. Punctuating the beginning of a time you want to spend with friends, family or colleagues enables you to come together collectively and mindfully. A pause is situational, and can entail bowing before dinner, summoning people together with a gong, or honoring partnership-- the most central aspect of climbing-- through formally checking each other before you start.   Links:   American Alpine Club: https://americanalpineclub.org   Jackson Hole Mountain Guides: http://jhmg.com   Outdoor Alliance: http://www.outdooralliance.org   Outdoor Industry Association: https://outdoorindustry.org/   Access Fund: https://www.accessfund.org/   AAC’s Live Your Dream grant program: http://americanalpineclub.org/live-your-dream-grant/   National Outdoor Leadership School (NOLS): https://www.nols.edu/   Climbing: Expedition Planning (Mountaineers Outdoor Expert): https://www.amazon.com/Climbing-Expedition-Planning-Mountaineers-Outdoor/dp/0898867703   Wilderness Mountaineering: https://www.amazon.com/NOLS-Wilderness-Mountaineering-Library/dp/0811735214   Naropa University: https://www.naropa.edu/

A sudden, prolonged snowstorm on Sept. 11, 1985, stranded two parties on the Grand Teton. One party included Greg Findley, Nils Green and John Atthowe, all in their early 20s. Findley and Atthowe met at a National Outdoor Leadership School course in Lander, Wyo., in l98l and met Green, who was about to be married, that summer in Jackson Hole. The other party, Paul Johnson, 40, and his climbing partner of 15 years, Ken Webb, 37, had driven down from Seattle to climb the peak. Grand Teton National Park climbing rangers Renny Jackson and Jim Woodmencey recall the harrowing rescue that unfolded.

Grace Anderson is the Inspiring Connections Representative with the Sierra Club. Grace currently coordinates the 52 group nationwide volunteer-led program that connects marginalized communities to the outdoors, especially youth. She has worked as a council member for the Appalachian Trail Conservancy and has worked to promote diversity in the outdoors through NOLS, the National Outdoor Leadership School. Grace was also recently named as one of America’s “30 Under 30” outdoor movers and shakers by the Outdoor Industry Association. On this episode, we learn the story of how Grace fell in love with the outdoors, how she is making the outdoor community a more comfortable place for people of color, and the impact that the outdoors has on the youth in our community. This podcast is sponsored by Vestigo and produced by Force Media.

BP McCoy is the Founder of Xiphos Initiatives LLC and a retired Marine Corps Officer with extensive leadership experience in the most demanding and unforgiving environments on six of the seven continents. He was decorated multiple times for valor and wounds received in battle while leading a Task Force that spearheaded the 2003 invasion of Iraq, toppled the Saddam Statue in Baghdad, and fought house to house in Fallujah in 2004. He also served at the operational and strategic level in Afghanistan. After 28 years as a Marine, BP successfully transitioned to the corporate world as a Vice President for a leading irregular warfare consulting firm. BP is also a Field Instructor for the prestigious National Outdoor Leadership School, leading 30-day backcountry expeditions in remote and austere environments while teaching, coaching and mentoring leaders and teams. BP combines his unique blend of leadership experiences to develop dynamic and adaptive leaders and create winning organizational climates. He is the author of The Passion of Command: The Moral Imperative of Leadership. BP’s book is now required reading for new Marine Officers, Additionally, the Norwegian Army and Israeli Defense Force use translated versions of the book for their leadership training. In today's episode, BP translates the lessons of command that he's learned through his career to the small business owner. We arrive at the simple truth of leadership - Leadership that is effective is the same across all organizations, big and small; civilian and military. "Of every 100 men in battle, 10 shouldn’t even be there, 80 are nothing but targets, nine are the real fighters and we are lucky to have them since they make the battle. Ah but the one, the one is the warrior, and he brings the others home” - Heraclitus Greek Philosopher 500 BC

John Hovey is an experienced first aid trainer and expedition leader with the with the National Outdoor Leadership School (www.nols.edu). This podcast looks at what to do in the event of an accident. It covers liability, taking charge, moving a casualty, emergency procedures, kit to carry etc. This podcast could help you feel prepared if you have the misfortune to witness, or be involved in, an accident.

As a child, Bria Schurke traveled to Eastern Russia 10 times, first setting foot in Siberia at age four while visiting her father's expeditions.  As a first grader she went to the North Pole and grew up among sled dogs near Ely, MN learning to be a musher and becoming an accomplished Nordic skier.  Bria has worked at medical facilities in India, Kenya, and Somalia and has worked as an instructor for the National Outdoor Leadership School.  In June of 2013, Bria returned to Russia with Alexander Martin as the two set out on a 2900 km canoeing expedition in northern Mongolia, central Siberia, and Far Eastern Russia as part of their Asia Rivers Expedition.  You can learn more about their adventure at facebook.com/AsiaRiversExpedition.  Bria Schurke, welcome to The Pursuit Zone.

Angella Gibbons, Founder and Director of EarthWalk, has been connecting groups of children to the Earth for 25 years. She was the founder and director of Lotus Lake Discovery Center in Williamstown, VT. from 1993-2003, creating and leading environmental and adventure based school programs for over 15,000 students, teachers, and community members. Angella led the Lake Champlain Maritime Museum Summer Kayak Building Expedition Program for teens, from 1998-2004. Her experiences also include teaching 1st and 2nd grade, and 7th and 8th grade science in CostaRica. Her certifications and coursework include: B.A. from UVM (1983), expeditions with the National Outdoor Leadership School and Outward Bound, and certification in Wildlife Tracking. Angella is a certified lifeguard and Wilderness First Responder.