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What does he make of Texas and Oklahoma looking to join the SEC? I Would the move be helpful or hurtful to Texas? I What is the future of Texas as it comes to their success? I Can Texas compete in the SEC post Nick Saban? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Can a Catholic marry a Muslim? Is it possibly to cohabitate chastely? What light can Theology of the Body shine on aging? Ask Christopher West is a weekly podcast in which Theology of the Body Institute President Christopher West and his beloved wife Wendy share their humor and wisdom, answering questions about marriage, relationships, life, and the Catholic faith, all in light of John Paul II's beautiful teachings on the Theology of the Body. Want to support the Theology of the Body Institute and have a better chance of us answering your question? Join our Patron Community (https://tobpatron.com)! Patron Question: Can a Catholic marry a Muslim? If so, how? And if not, why not? Question 2: I have two questions. The first is in regards to chaste cohabitation and whether this is permissible or not. For context, my partner and I converted and came to faith last August (in 2020). At the end of September we made the decision to live chastely and hope to marry. I homeschool my children from a previous relationship and do not work. We plan to get married, but my partner was in a civil marriage and he's in the process of divorce. So for us to live separately would mean me stopping my kids' homeschool program and going back to work. My second question is whether this civil union still needs to be annulled? Qestion 3: Thank you Christopher and Wendy, for sharing this Good News so beautifully with all of us. I wonder if you could share some of your reflections on the theology of the aging body. I work as a primary care provider in the medical field and spend a lot of my time with the elderly, many of whom are struggling with the aging process and the pain and suffering that often accompanies old age. Dementia is particularly difficult on the person and loved ones as the person seems to become almost a shell of their former self, in some way. I Would appreciate any reflections on what light the Theology of the Body can shine on this issue. Submit your question at AskChristopherWest.com (http://www.askchristopherwest.com). Resources mentioned this week: GOOD NEWS ABOUT SEX & MARRIAGE (https://shop.corproject.com/collections/other-featured-products/products/good-news-about-sex-and-marriage) View our COURSE SCHEDULE (https://tobinstitute.org/programs/tobi-schedule/) to register for a course, ONLINE or IN-PERSON! If you are in financial need and honestly cannot afford a book or resource recomended on this podcast, contact: michele@tobinstitute.org Find Christopher West on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/cwestofficial) and Instagram (http://www.instagram.com/cwestofficial). Discover the Theology of the Body Institute (http://www.tobinstitute.org). If you enjoy the podcast, help us out by writing a review (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/ask-christopher-west/id1448699486). Thanks for listening! Christopher and Wendy hope their advice is helpful to you, but they are not licensed counseling professionals. If you are dealing with serious issues, please consult our list of trusted professionals (https://tobinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/TOBI-Recommended-Psychologists-Updated-6-8-20.pdf). Featuring music by Mike Mangione (https://www.mikemangione.com/).

  Should the Ravens wait to sign Lamar Jackson to a long-term extension? I How good will Baltimore be in 2021? I Will the AFC North be improved? I Is Ben Roethlisberger finished? I What do the Packers have to do with Aaron Rodgers in the coming weeks? I Would he want Deshaun Watson on his team in 2021? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Grammy-nominated songwriter, independent recording artist/publisher & West Palm Beach native, Jamie Floyd, co-wrote the current single from Kelly Clarkson & Jake Hoot (Winner of The Voice Season 17), a duet called “I Would've Loved You.” Jamie is also featured in the award winning, critically acclaimed music documentary The Last Songwriter (watch for free at lastsongwriter.com) alongside Garth Brooks, Jason Isbell, Allen Shamblin, Tony Arata, Tom Douglas and Emmylou Harris. As a composer & lyricist, Jamie is also currently working on writing all the original music for the upcoming new musical in development, “The King's Wife.” Playwrights Horizons has offered a 29 Hour reading to the musical, which happens in October of 2021 in NYC. https://www.officialjamiefloyd.com/ Mêlisa is an award winning playwright (Parity Commission Winner, Margaret Lamb Prize), and as a playwright her plays have been developed and presented at and with Primary Stages, Parity Productions, The Lark and Dorset Theater Festival at the Theresa Rebeck Writers Colony, The New School, ESPA*Drills (2014), The Lark, The National Arts Club NYC, The Playground Experiment, Rattlestick Theater (Jam). Upcoming: A new musical "The King's Wife" written with Grammy Award Nominee Jamie Floyd https://www.melisaannis.com/

Gregg Popovich goes off after United States Men's Basketball Team loses another exhibition match. Is it fair to criticize Pop? I The Warriors are pursuing a deal for Damian Lillard. Would a backcourt of him Steph and Klay work? I Would you rather have Dak Prescott or Matthew Stafford? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Praying for a revival in our Nation   I genuinely wonder if we would see a Revival within our nation, these ongoing hypocrisies, the ongoing lies, murder in the streets, I also think about the murdering of unborn children. How much more must we as Christians and those who are not believers? How much more can we tolerate what is happening here now in 2021? Everybody seems to use the covid pandemic as an excuse. Look at Joshua 1:9. New International Version 9 Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged, for the Lord your God will be with you wherever you go.” Do people understand spiritual warfare? What is happening to our nation here now in which Satan can use anyone as his minion? Yes, I am praying for Revival. I am also begging you to come to Lord Jesus soon; we need Jesus within our nation. I recall as I was growing up in Memphis, in Cleveland, Ohio, it also in Long Beach, California, my mother would always take us to the Revival at the church sometimes the Revival maybe a week-long and just perhaps two or three days long but having the renewing of faith the renewing of the Mind. Just knowing that God's grace and his Mercy are with us. God's word tells us not to conform to this world. The Book of Romans 12:2 says do not be conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind Du what is the will of God what is good and acceptable and perfect. I know there are probably many people that do not believe in spiritual warfare, but spiritual warfare is real; you have a demonic presence within our world today in one Nation. Yes, many people hear Christian and speak of spiritual warfare, but many people do not fully understand what to do about spiritual warfare. I guess I have ever been in the military. I think you can compare spiritual warfare to the many battles against the enemy. In many competitions, physical actions were over-controlling different land areas or just political or economic power. Satan is God's enemy; Satan has many names: the devil, Prince of Darkness. Lucifer, and more. Whether you choose to believe or serve God and follow his son Jesus Christ wherever you may lead you. Satan's main mission is to keep people from serving God in order to keep people from trust in God, Satan is a Deceiver Satan is the father of Lies, in his tactics May differ from person-to-person place to place.  but Satan still has the same mission to destroy and to keep you from trusting in God. Satan's mission is to try to keep people from experiencing the truth and the true love of God. Yes, I indeed pray we will Revival within our Nation. I pray for a Revival like the strong Revival that happened back in the past. It was known as The Great Awakening refers to a number of periods of religious revival in American Christian history. Historians and theologians identify three, or sometimes four, waves of increased religious enthusiasm between the early 18th century and the late 20th century. Each of these "Great Awakenings" was characterized by widespread revivals led by evangelical Protestant ministers, a sharp increase of interest in religion, a profound sense of conviction and redemption on the part of those affected, an increase in evangelical church membership, and the formation of new religious movements and denominations. I believe that a Revival should replicate the child of God's faith and experience when he or she was saved. The Holy Spirit would be prompting us to have an awareness of something that is missing, something that I have gone wrong. Our nation has turned its back on God in his loving son Jesus. And when I cry out and pray for Revival, I pray for God's holiness. it also would bring great awe, of how great our God truly is and his wonderful, amazing grace.  I just want to say that God through the Holy Spirit uses in many ways in several situations for Revival. If you get the opportunity to look at the letters that Christ sent to the seven churches reveal some circumstances that may be necessary or necessitated for Revival. take a moment to look at it. read the word of God look at Revelations 2 verses 4 and 5 Also look at revelation 2 verses 10 and 11 also look at revelation 2 verses 20 through 23 again Revival helps us to find the truth look at Revelations 3 verses 1 through 6. Revival helps us to come back from spiritual death or a state of spiritual unconsciousness. Evidence of a Revival is like a song I have heard from Zach Williams old church choir. He speaks of the Revival within his soul, and he says he is not going to let anyone Steal This Joy. Think about that he says a Revival and it is spreading like a wildfire in his soul, wow.  Evidence of Revival is the Great outpouring of the Holy Spirit on believers also Jesus is Calling everyone to come to him. Jesus said I have not come to call the righteous but Sinners to repent that's Luke 5 verse 32. believe me, once Jesus gets ahold of you, you will never be the same Jesus changes lives. I would encourage believers to share the word of God to everyone. And believers I will challenge you to spend time in prayer reading in obeying God's word I would also encourage you, believers, to begin powerfully using your spiritual gifts there is a confession of sin and repentance. Repent daily if you must, do not be afraid to call out to the Lord every day. It has been said that there are 365 “Fear Not” verses in the Bible – one for each day of the year. I am Truly Blessed: (I am just a nobody trying to tell everybody about somebody that can save anybody ….do you know him …his name is JESUS) I am not ashamed of the Gospel: I pray to never begin my day without thinking that perhaps he may interrupt my daily routine and begin His own. I am not looking for death. I am looking for Him. Today might be the last day when Jesus returns.: I Would rather stand with GOD and be judged by the world than to stand with the world and be judged by GOD (GOD'S ​judgment is eternal) The Joy I have the world did not give it to me……And the world cannot take it away. Have a God-day God is good all the time…and all the time God is good wake-up-america-people.com   Disable Veteran For Christ #TRUSTINGODNOTMANPERIOD Willie T. Ayers   SSG, USA ARMY VETERAN.....All Gave Some...Some Gave All GODNOTMAN.                                                            

From preachers to politicians, nearly everyone has an opinion on the links between liberty and faith. You decide. On this incredibly special holiday, we celebrate the independence of our country—a country founded by Christians. Even though many may not believe so, here is a collection of powerful quotes I would like to share with you, some of these will make you think; others will affirm,  and a few will create conversations around the meaning of patriotism considering the Kingdom of God. I pray this message will fill some with God's grace and affirms the Gospel of Jesus Christ. So please take a moment and read these quotes. Have a wonderful and blessed 4th of July.  "It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either of them." Mark Twain "America was founded by people who believe that God was their rock of safety. I recognize we must be cautious in claiming that God is on our side, but I think it's all right to keep asking if we're on His side." Ronald Reagan “True patriotism is not worship of our nation but rather, in the light of our worship of the God of justice, to conform our nation's ways of justice.” ~ Robert McAfee Brown "For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others. “Nelson Mandela "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thomas Jefferson "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians, not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ.  For that reason alone, people of other faiths have been afforded freedom of worship here." Patrick Henry "We're not just a nation, we're not an ethnicity. We are a dream of justice that people have had for a thousand years.” Craig Ferguson "I shall earnestly and persistently continue to urge all women to the practical recognition of the old Revolutionary maxim. Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God." Susan B. Anthony "Intelligence, patriotism, Christianity, and a firm reliance on Him, who has never yet forsaken this favored land, are still competent to adjust, in the best way, all our present difficulty." Abraham Lincoln “True patriotism hates injustice in its own land more than anywhere else.” Clarence Darrow “The Kingdom of God wasn't born on the Fourth of July.” Matt Chandler "Jesus' example of patriotism perfected can provide a guidepost to Christians. It is an example that is both pragmatic and romantic, shot through with justice, truth, and love. It is not a nationalistic patriotism—it is a love for a nation that does not pit it against other nations. Instead, it's a recognition of love followed by a mournful recognition of shortcomings." Ryan Hamm "The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained." George Washington "With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own."  John F. Kennedy “America is the only country ever founded on a creed.” ~ G.K. Chesterton Read Scriptures: John 1:35-51, Romans 8:1-2 I am Truly Blessed: (I am just a nobody trying to tell everybody about somebody that can save anybody ….do you know him …his name is JESUS  I am not ashamed of the Gospel: I pray to never I am not looking for death. I am looking for Him. Today might be the last day when Jesus returns.: I Would rather stand with GOD and be judged by the world than to stand with the world and be judged by GOD.  (GOD'S judgment is eternal)  The Joy I have the world did not give it to me. And the world cannot take it away. Have a God-day God is good all the time…and all the time God is good!

Tell us a little bit about yourself? I'm from Akron Ohio I'm from an entertainment family so that inspired me to want to singso I started singing and training at a early age... my grandmother Charlena Brown alsoknown as The Lady with the Golden voice , my grandmother was one of the first femaleGospel promoters so I started there . My uncle is Howard Hewett so I followed his stepsand one of the first steps was if you want something go get it as he did we he left Akronand he went to LA, landed a gig with Shalimar.So I left to follow my dreams and went to New York work there I performed at the Apollotheater where I won three times after that I found a manager who then shopped me tolabels and within three weeks I was offered a deal my mother wanted me to go back hometo get my high school diploma I did that then went back to New York and made a deal witha Elektra records three things that was the desire of my heart was Apollo theater ,Soul-train and win a Grammy you know the thing is I started off realizing that I loved music at the age of three it's interestingbecause you know a lot of people don't remember things when they were three years oldhowever I do I remember my mom would play Natalie Cole Aretha Franklin Phyllis Hyman and Iwould get on the floor and I would just vibe with the music and then she would tell me that whenshe would stop the music that I would scream for her to turn it back on so I look back at thosetimes and that's when I really believe that I fell in love with the music not to mention I also comefrom a very talented family  Also to mention my uncle is Howard Hewett who is the former lead singer of Shalimar who hasbecame a music legend So I would say my roots go very deep with music I had a number three billboard hit out by the name of Tene Williams the song did very welltraveled and went on tour with SWV ,Jade, H-Town ,Big daddy Kane the new Jack swing I'vebeen in the music industry for a long time I took a little time off my daughter was born withdextrocardia and she and Underwent two open heart surgeries when she was seven and nineand throughout those times of my life I found myself singing music that was more geared towardsrestoring me and restoring what we were going through at the moment and now I'm back withAdventurer-ready to show the world who Tiffany Bynoe is A strong woman who has endured a lotbut refuse to give up because I believe in me It all started for me when I was 16 years old one of my dreams Was to go on the Apollo theaternot only did I do the Apollo theater but I won three times and from there is where I met my nowhusband Kyle Bynoe &Chip Taylor (Chip Taylor who wrote wild thing the head Columbia recordsfor 17 1/2 years , but I learned with business don't be so eager to just sing it's much more andyou have to prepare yourself because you never know who wants to take advantage of you soguard up, get knowledge, and stay true to you When things get tough which I try to not have too many of those days because I find that you cancontrol the positive energy around you as well as the negative energy around you so when thosethings do happen because it's only natural is best to tap on the inside of you and realize thepotential that God has placed in you and know that that is great and there's a place for it and thatnothing can stop you

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On todays episode of the Frame & Reference Podcast Kenny talks with cinematographer Jack Schurman about the Jake Hoot and Kelly Clarkson music video “I Would’ve Loved You.” Jake has DP'd a few shows including “Unnatural Selection” and “QB1: Beyond the Lights.” Jakes other work includes the TV documentary “MARS: Inside SpaceX” and “Wild Home”, a film for which he was nominated for Best Documentary Feature at the Brooklyn Film Festival and won the Audience Award at the Camden International Film Festival. Enjoy the episode! Watch the music video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZpG1DefuzI Frame & Reference is supported by Filmtools and ProVideo Coalition. Filmtools is the West Coasts leading supplier of film equipment. From cameras and lights to grip and expendables, Filmtools has you covered for all your film gear needs. Check out Filmtools.com for more. ProVideo Coalition is a top news and reviews site focusing on all things production and post. Check out ProVideoCoalition.com for the latest news coming out of the industry.

TAKE OFF THE BLINDERS    we need to wake up believers the non-Believers are being manipulated whether you want to accept that or not we are being manipulated by politicians and many radical groups if you choose not to accept that then you have a profoundly serious problem going on spiritual warfare is real spiritual warfare is real no some of you might think that it is just something that attack Christians but spiritual warfare attacks everyone.   It is crucial that every Christian understands that he/she is in a spiritual battle. There is no way to get out of it. Awareness of the spiritual battle around us is especially important. Not only awareness, but vigilance, preparedness, courage, and the right weaponry are crucial elements of engaging in spiritual warfare.   In the words of Paul in 2 Corinthians 10:3–5, “For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh, for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses. We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ.” It is clear that “our warfare” as Christians is spiritual. We are not fighting a physical battle or a human battle. It is on a spiritual level—its enemies, its prerogatives, its fortresses, and its weapons are all spiritual. If we attempt to fight the spiritual with human weapons, we will fail, and the enemy will be victorious.   It is important to note that Paul is not speaking about battling demons here. When Jesus and the apostles cast demons out, it was, along with the other signs and wonders they exhibited, primarily to prove the authority of what they said. It was important at that time for God to give the apostles a powerful “proof” that they were indeed from God and were His spokesmen. The fidelity of Scripture depends on the authority of the apostles, so God gave the apostles His power to authenticate their teachings. The point all along was to show that the ultimate authority—and our ultimate spiritual weapon—is Scripture. The kind of spiritual battle that every Christian engages in is primarily a battle of the mind and heart.   The spiritual battle is quite personal for each Christian. The devil is like a “roaring lion” seeking to devour, and we must remain vigilant against him (1 Peter 5:8). The enemy of our souls has “flaming arrows” that can only be extinguished by the shield of faith as handled by a believer equipped with the full armor of God (see Ephesians 6:10–17). Jesus told us to “watch and pray” so as not to fall into temptation (Mark 14:38).   According to 2 Corinthians 10:4–5, there are spiritual fortresses in this world, made of the “speculations” and “lofty things.” The word speculations are, in the Greek, logismos. It means “ideas, concepts, reasoning's, philosophies.” People of the world build up these logismos to protect themselves against the truth of God. Sadly, these fortresses often become prisons and eventually tombs. As Christians, we have a calling to break down these fortresses and rescue the inhabitants. It is dangerous and difficult work, but we have a divine arsenal always at our disposal. Unfortunately, one of the enemy's best tricks is getting us to fight with human weapons rather than divine.   When fighting against worldly philosophies, human wit and weaponry are of no avail. Marketing techniques, counter-philosophies, persuasive words of human wisdom (1 Corinthians 2:4), rationalism, organization, skill, entertainment, mystique, better lighting, better music—these are all human weapons. None of these things will win the spiritual war. The only thing that is effective—the only offensive weapon we possess—is the Sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God (Ephesians 6:17). This sword gives us many freedoms as soldiers in this spiritual battle. We have freedom from fear, knowing that God is fighting for us (Joshua 1:7–9) and that He will not forsake us. We have freedom from guilt, knowing that we are not responsible for the souls of those who reject God's message after we have proclaimed it to them (Mark 6:11). We have freedom from despair, knowing that, if we are persecuted and hated, Christ was persecuted and hated first (John 15:18) and that our battle wounds will be richly and lovingly tended to in heaven (Matthew 5:10).   All these freedoms come from using the powerful weapon of God—His Word. If we use human weapons to fight the temptations of the wicked one, we will sustain failures and disappointment. Conversely, the victories of God are full of hope. “Let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful” (Hebrews 10:22-23). The hearts of those who hear and accept the true, full message of the gospel as given by the apostles are “sprinkled clean” and “washed with pure water.” What is this water? It is the Word of God that strengthens us as we fight (Ephesians 5:26; John 7:38). Some Spiritual Warfare Scriptures · 1. James 4:7 · 2. 1 John 4:4 · 3. 2 Corinthians 10:3-5 · 4. 1 Peter 5:8-9 · 5. Isaiah 54:17 · 6. Ephesians 6:11-17 · 7. Romans 8:37   I am Truly Blessed: (I am just a nobody trying to tell everybody about somebody that can save anybody ….do you know him …his name is JESUS) I am not ashamed of the Gospel: I pray to never begin my day without thinking that perhaps he may interrupt my daily routine and begin His own. I am not looking for death. I am looking for Him. Today might be the last day when Jesus returns.: I Would rather stand with GOD and be judged by the world, than to stand with the world and be judged by GOD (GOD'S judgment is eternal) The Joy I have the world did not give it to me……And the world cannot take it away. Have a God-day God is good all the time…and all the time God is good wake-up-america-people.com #TRUSTINGODNOTMANPERIOD Willie T.Ayers The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon Original Word Word Origin logismovß  Transliterated Word TDNT Entry Logismos Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech log-is-mos' Noun Masculine Definition a reckoning, computation a reasoning: such as is hostile to the Christian faith a judgment, decision: such as conscience passes      

Don't do anything I wouldn't do... or don't do anything I WOULD! We watched Mermaids (1990) and we're gonna get in our mermaid car and get the mermaid outta here! This movie is filled with a holy trinity of raven haired gay icons. Mrs. Flax (Cher) is the cha-cha mom of our dreams to daughters Charlotte (Winona Ryder) and Kate (Christina Ricci). Catholic envy (while Jewish), lost virginity to the dreamy Michael Schoeffling (Sixteen Candles) and 60's Halloween costumes abound in this sweet coming of age comedy. And don't forget Bob Hoskins giving us cuddly bear hotness.  We would pay real money for his portrait of Cher as Cleopatra. Thanks for listening and don't forget to subscribe, rate and review us on iTunes! www.patreon.com/moviesthatmadeusgay Facebook/Instagram: @moviesthatmadeusgay Twitter: @MTMUGPod Scott Youngbauer: Twitter @oscarscott / Instagram @scottyoungballer Peter Lozano: Twitter/Instagram @peterlasagna

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JJ: Truman - Wasn’t told anything by the President as VP. Got news he should be at white house ASAP.  Found out the president had passed away and had to figure out what to do. He always took pride in delegating and didn’t need to take credit for all the stuff. I’ve always been a Truman fan and as a sales leader, any kind of leader. If you can delegate authority and coaching for improvement you are creating a culture to step out of the way of othersJB:How'd you get into sales?JJ:Got into sales, had some people around me that I respected.  Uncle, heavy machinery sales guy who was also a real good golfer so took both of those up, good combo package. Parents saw my outgoing nature, competitive nature, swimmer. Butterflies in your stomach, feeling what it was like to win, just came natural. Took awhile to get good. First few forays into sales didn’t go so well, nearly got canned but finally pulled in the firstJB:How do you manage the tension/stress/butterflies in your stomach feelings?JJ:More mature in career now, a lot more chill than I was earlier in my career.VERY FEW THINGS IN LIFE THAT ARE IN YOUR CONTROLHave to have some level of perspectiveGained perspective in positive things and a few tragic things. I don’t care how bad a day you’re having selling, proposaling, closing. A heck of a lot out there worse that can be happening. CHILL, it’ll take care of itself. I like to compete, still like to compete.  Not running and swimming as fast but golf is fun!SOMEBODY’S GOTTA WIN WHY NOT ME?!Par 3 every time THIS ONE IS GOING IN! It’ll happen one day because that’s my attitudePerspective and that RUSH of when it does go in, when then that deal goes in?It’s FUN and you celebrate it. Make sure the people that deserve credit, get it!It’s your legal, product, ops department, make sure you say thank you because they’re part of the team too.JB:Talk to me about how you celebrate victories and the wins with your team?JJ:A lot has changed since everyone bugged out in March. TIMELINESS is important - the fastest you can get that High five!SLACK → Everyone sees the deal come in, name of the rep, size of the dealGONG Emails → don’t get credit until it’s sent to customer success. The gong emails are the whole company piling on with atta boys, bitmojis and have a lot of fun!During pandemic working from home, everyday sales standup 5min/30 min depends on day. But we will have the celebrations everyday, promotions, hitting an anniversaryI’m not the one that has to do it, others bring it up and it’s a great competitive culture and extraordinary teaming company. Some people have only been here through covid with no in-office experience rave about the culture.Improved on culture during pandemic, everyone working for each otherJB:Pre-Covid in-office culture, you wanted to see butts in seats.  You said “I don’t think I’ll go back to the office 5 days a week if I don’t have to” How do you see that operating after covid now?JJ:Ran a boiler room, if you weren’t in seat at 9AM, you’re getting a text or a glareRan the organization in a traditional way, people fed off the energy, a lot of positivity came from it. When we bugged out (everyone had to go home). Having our business instrumented was important, every single key leading indicator is somewhere in salesforce or your dashboard of choice. Business was quickly instrumented so he could virtually “stand on the floor” and see all the metrics as to who is running which callsSecond, people can be very productive on their own! We have seen that people can be very successful in their home“I’m a changed man, I have seen the light!”We will go back to the office, socialization is missing, nothing like a live meeting, there are people stuck in small apartments. It’ll be nice, but there is more trust now that people can get things done on their own. Always sold over Zoom, so the client facing perspective was Hey put a background up on your Zoom call. Other than that it was on me to change.  Let’s adopt a new model. JB:How do you build the culture for folks that have never been in office yet? The folks that haven’t been able to meet in-person.JJ:Some folks don’t know how good it is in-person and this is all they know. We are big proponents of mental wellness. At least once a week we reinforce, help develop the proper healthy routines necessary to push through this. Whether we recognize it or not, everyone could be suffering from some level of depression or withdrawal. Need to recognize that. Made sure EVERY COMMUNICATION we had was VISUAL. You’ve gotta look people in the eye. When we moved to 830AM Zoom standups, you could see some people nicked up. Had to set a standard:Cameras onShowered and readyNo witness protection (blinded by background)Some folks were saying thank you. Developing bad habits but not getting into that pattern. You’ve got to recognize this is a different time, focus on wellness, physical and mental. We’re alive, we still have a job, we have a lot to be thankful for, let’s celebrate that as much as we can.JB:We talked about ways you engage and motivate your employees.  Tell us more about how you play with the team and drive engagement. JJ:Blending physical wellness sNOw Days OffAnyone who booked a deal got 20 pushups and he would do it and push it out to the whole team at WordStreamCrayon- ran a monthly competition. BDRs & Sales could play- successful BDR got a 30 second hill climb on the peloton while singing the song of her choice.  Miley Cyrus - Wrecking Ball (slight lyrical modification) On the 830 AM zoom callFor the top sales rep, Did a sprint saying "SALES REP NAME IS GREATEST SELLER IN THE WORLD!"Sometimes you’ve got to give yourself up! If we got to 150% of quarterly number I Would shave my head! Got to 165%!Quarterly meetings, flew down to ATL, right in middle of the meeting they brought in barber chairShow some humility a smidge of self degradation, people will see that you will run through walls for them and they will then for youDon’t make the job harderMaintain your wellness and good spirits lean on others, they’re there for thatTell the truth for how you’re doing how you’re feelingSeek help when you need itGot a lot of people saying no, don’t make it any worse on yourselfJB:What does your daily routine look like to maintain performance?JJ:Get outside everyday.  May not succeed everyday but it’s in the back of my headSchedule time - get on the bike, get up and down the stairsWork for a gentleman who loves to talk when he is on his daily jogs14 degrees and still important to get outside!Watch what you’re eating - kitchen is full of food, now I can just go downstairs and cook a steakIt’s the obvious stuffJB:How do you bounce back from a tough month/quarter or work with your leaders?JJ:Over the years I’ve been consumed by the data. It’s all in the data. Why did close rate fall off? Couldn’t find our buyers?  Only had their office line and everyone was goneIt goes back to the fundamentals, not enough activity or opportunities tee’d up. Not enough adjustment in demos to account for key featuresYou can almost always get to an answer then focus in on that answer. Answers may differ from person to person. Must be instrumented to look at it from Crayon perspective, team and individual perspectiveAny given cruddy month or quarter a few people who crushed it! → what happened with them that didn’t happen in other places that is micro focused in that manner.Don’t do Sales ORG demo training anymore, do that with the people who need discovery work!Get our best person at discovery to teach the class. You’re the one closest to success You’ve just got to own it “We’re/You’re better than this” Here’s what went wrong, what we’ll do to correct it and leading indicators to tell us if we’re moving in the right directionOWN IT- we got a tough jobWe will not win every month and every quarter as long as we win most of them, we’re going to be OKJB:Sales has so much data in today’s day and age. Going back to my days in baseball it’s a numbers games and you should be able to peel back the layers of the onion to understand where the opportunity is. JJ:As leaders we have to be ready to have difficult conversations and EMBRACE THEM. If you allow disorganization or poor performance or something wrong with an individual's results and kick that can down the road, that leads to significant dysfunction. Have to be able to sit folks down, do it on a caring way, focus on the problem not the person and be CARING ABOUT IT When you first met JJ, was he impressed with how good you were? → Yep congratulated me on another record month → showed me my call stats and new biz generation → told me to get my butt in gear because 2 months from now will stink → now seen as the right thing to do!Have to have those conversations as leaders to problem solve, still LISTEN back.JB:Help people be their best, be uncomfortable for 5 seconds, maybe 1 minute. JJ:The Power of NoProspect starts asking for more. The answer is NO, we can’t offer that. Then ZIP IT! No explanation needed. The classic, next person to speak loses!Be comfortable saying NO. It’s PERFECTLY OK TO SAY NO!JB:What are some of your qualities in leaders you love?JJ:I love an individual who is Self-reflective, generates a genuine level of humility because people respond well to thatA leader that has proven they can walk the walk. Last 3 companies “we’re gonna grow our own leadership” The street cred that you can have by being senior sales exec, team lead, manager, and ascend to leadership role. Significantly overcomes the, we need new blood, which can help. To have a management team that has risen up through the ranks, has so much street cred and power. They also know how to get everything done, they know how to make the flywheel fly!Extremely motivating and powerful retention tool as the organization expands as you work towards unicorn status. People know I have a shot at that next promotion!I look for qualities I see growing up in people as they expand the organization. I’m gonna let you try it out, be a team lead, try it out, carry your bag and see how it fits. JB:As we think about organizational growth and development.  REtention of employees and talent is critical.  If you can bring individuals that can be self-reflective, have humility and see a future for themselves is a fantastic way to keep people. Do you love winning or hate losing?JJ:Young man now who hates losing. I like Winning more and enjoy people that like winning more.  It allows you to let go of the negative/losing quicker. The people that hate losing tend to get a little grindy and sit on the 1 deal of 5 they lost. It’s a lot more fun celebrating success than it is going through loss meetings. I LIKE WiNNING! I don’t remember the 2nd, 3rd, 4th places.  But I can remember the #1 times! I like to see people touch the wall first and celebrate thoseJB:Favorite interview questionJJ:I have a couple things I like to do in interviews.3 Sections - I’ll let you ask questions first - Knock them off balance. And see the quality of their questions. Tell me what your greatest attribute is? And What's' your current area of professional development. -- The first one doesn’t matter, it’s all about question #2. 1. Do they remember the question? 2. Do they give me an honest answer or some sort of rope a dope answer. 3. They give me honest answer What are you DOING RIGHT NOW TO GET BETTER AT THAT?!I get to find out whether I have someone who is; honest, has emotional intelligence and whether they have the skillset to go improve upon something. We are all always improving on something. LinkedIn@JohnPJudge Crayon

HOPE and FAITH, we need both Matthew 21:21 21 Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. The dictionary defines hope as “a looking out for something good; a belief that what we wish for will come.” Are you hoping for the positive outcome of your dream, a sickness, or finances? Do you see the desired result in your mind's eye so vividly that you can almost touch it? What is your hope based on? Were you extremely excited when the COVID-19 vaccine came about, or the doctor gave an optimistic prognosis? How about when the SEVENTH AMENDED PUBLIC HEALTH ORDER 20-36 2/12/2021on the COVID-19 Dial came out, when the hospital reported no further complications in your health condition? “Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.” (Heb. 11:1). Now, what does that mean? You mean that no matter how hard it gets and when everything points to disaster you still must hope against all hope? So, if you clench your teeth, purse your lips and scrunch your eyes together in faith trusting your dilemma will pass, it should go, right? True, Godly faith is defined as trust, relying on God when looking to the future, and obeying even when we do not fully understand all details. The great figures of the Old Testament, such as Abraham, Moses, and David, all lived according to this type of faith. Ultimately, that means trusting God's intent to make good on His promises from an eternal perspective. The model of faith presented by those people, considering the struggles they faced, ought to inspire Christians towards a more confident, purposeful faith. Well, let us have a look how the Bible puts it. In the fifth book of Romans, it is authored by Paul the Apostle, while he was in Corinth, it tells us to even go so far as to glory in tribulation! As you dig into it you will discover that this is true because hardships are a time of testing. The more you learn to rely on hope, and by faith wait in expectation for the desired result, the more patience will develop. Patience will result in small breakthroughs which, in turn, provide you with the experience that no one can take away from you. When you experience a miracle, however small, you have the confidence that the next time you can believe for something even bigger and better! This whole process produces character. It generates a whole new you! Yes, one who has been hurt maybe, sick, depressed or beaten down emotionally, physically or spiritually. BUT... at the end of it I pray that you will have gained something. It may be wisdom of what not to do, a certain peace and strength you would never have realized you had, and a greater realization of who you really are. You did come out of it and now, having “been there and done that” you are able to help someone else through their struggles. Hebrews 13:16: Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God. Philippians 2:4: Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others. Luke 6:38: Give, and it will be given to you. “Hope makes not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.” Do you know the love of God? Jesus Christ, the author and finisher of our faith, for the joy set before him, endured the cross. (Heb. 12:2) He is Emmanuel, which means: “God with us.” Even though he was God, he took on a human body, whereby he was subject to all the physical and emotional circumstances as you and me. But... he endured and is now seated at the right hand of the Father, where he has prepared a place for you! What is more, with Jesus as your Lord and Savior, you have the same Holy Spirit living in you. You are not alone. Inside of you there is an awesome power to persevere!  Ephesians 1:18 Having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, Job 11:18 And you will feel secure, because there is hope; you will look around and take your rest in security. Blessing in Christ: I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. Galatians 2:20   I am Truly Blessed: (I am just a nobody trying to tell everybody about somebody that can save anybody ….do you know him …his name is JESUS) I am not ashamed of the Gospel: I pray to never begin my day without thinking that perhaps he may interrupt my daily routine and begin His own. I am not looking for death. I am looking for Him. Today might be the last day when Jesus returns.: I Would rather stand with GOD and be judged by the world, than to stand with the world and be judged by GOD (GOD'S judgement is eternal) The Joy I have the world did not give it to me……And the world cannot take it away. Have a God-day God is good all the time…and all the time God is good       

We talk about some history of Valentine's Day. Did ya know that two of the St. Valentines were killed by Emperor Claudius? Yup, beheaded. Also, those wacky Christians appropriated another pagan holiday to celebrate this saint. Fun times. We then dive nose first into keto-friendly V-Day cocktails...why? Because we are trying to be keto cognizant and life is nothing if not grist for the content mill.Also, it comes up that Josh has favorite and least favorite loves songs....I'll list them here since we don't get to in the actual podcast.5. Stand by Me - Ben E King4. Ain't No Sunshine - Bill Withers3. At Last - Etta James2. Your Song - Elton John1. Let's Stay Together - Rev. Al Greenand the Worst...I Would do Anything for Love (But I won't do That - Meat Loaf.

It is not about me:  it is about Him (JESUS)   I am Truly Blessed: (I am just a nobody trying to tell everybody about somebody that can save anybody ….do you know him …his name is JESUS) I am not ashamed of the Gospel: I pray to never begin my day without thinking that perhaps he may interrupt my daily routine and begin His own. I am not looking for death. I am looking for Him. Today might be the last day when Jesus returns.: I Would rather stand with GOD and be judged by the world, than to stand with the world and be judged by GOD (GOD'S judgement is eternal) The Joy I have the world did not give it to me……And the world cannot take it away. Have a God-day God is good all the time…and all the time God is good!  Take a moment and read the book of Matthew: better yet read Gods word the Bible:   Biblical Prophecy Jesus Was Meek Biblical Prophecy Jesus Was Hated Biblical Prophecy Jesus Is Eternal Biblical Prophecy Jesus Was Wisdom Biblical Prophecy Jesus Was Rejected Biblical Prophecy Jesus Was in Egypt Biblical Prophecy Jesus Was Crucified Biblical Prophecy Jesus Was a Teacher Biblical Prophecy Jesus Became a Curse Biblical Prophecy Jesus Is Coming Back Biblical Prophecy Jesus Acts Faithfully Biblical Prophecy Jesus Was Circumcised Biblical Prophecy Jesus Was Resurrected Biblical Prophecy Jesus Was from Heaven Biblical Prophecy Jesus Was the Messiah Biblical Prophecy Jesus Had a Forerunner Biblical Prophecy Jesus Brings Salvation Biblical Prophecy Crowds Gawked at Jesus Biblical Prophecy Jesus Died with Thieves Biblical Prophecy Jesus Taught in Parables Biblical Prophecy Jesus Was the Son of God Biblical Prophecy Jesus Cleansed the Temple Biblical Prophecy Jesus Controlled the World Biblical Prophecy Jesus Was Born of a Virgin Biblical Prophecy Jesus Sat on a Donkey's Colt Biblical Prophecy Jesus Was Born in Bethlehem Biblical Prophecy Jesus Was a Prophet Like Moses Biblical Prophecy Jesus Would Be Called Emmanuel Biblical Prophecy Jesus Was Raised from the Dead Biblical Prophecy Jesus Started a Public Ministry Biblical Prophecy Jesus Was a Deliverer from Zion Biblical Prophecy Jesus Was a Servant of the Jews Biblical Prophecy Jesus Was a Rejected Cornerstone Biblical Prophecy Jesus Brings Gentiles to Believe Biblical Prophecy Jesus Was Made Lower Than Angels Biblical Prophecy Jesus Was Zealous for the Father Biblical Prophecy Jesus Was Filled with God's Spirit Biblical Prophecy Jesus Came in the Name of the Lord Biblical Prophecy Jesus Was Seated at God's Right Hand Biblical Prophecy Jesus Was a Greater Priest Than Aaron Biblical Prophecy Jesus Made a Triumphal Entry into Jerusalem Biblical Prophecy Jesus Was a Priest After the Order of Melchizedek Biblical Prophecy

People Doing Good vs People Doing BadLouis brought up this idea for a topic last week, and listener Deborahsent in her perspective on the topic. We picked it up and ran with itfrom there.Deborah wrote:Firstly I would say there are no good or bad people per se just peopledoing “good” or “bad” things although this is also a question ofinterpretation; how you would define good or bad, in this instance Iwould look towards the person’s intentions as to whether they mean toharm or do good unto another. From an “Abrahamster” perspective I suppose you could say that you canonly create in your own reality, and if you’re seeing another in termsof lack & intending to do good by helping them you are in fact takingaway their power, you should hold them in your mind as whole and healthy& fulfilled and connected to source. In this regard if you’re wanting to“do good” in what we could term a charitable way, seeing one as lesserthan another in some way, we are in fact doing them a disservice bytaking away their power and so could be seen as doing them harm.If someone is doing bad & their intention is to harm I guess ultimatelythe only person they are harming is themselves, as you can’t create inanother’s reality. But by focusing on negativity they are doingthemselves a great disservice. As Abraham might say; the effects of theactions of one who is very much not connected to source are meagre &paltry compared to one who is, so I guess if the “harmee” were connectedto source the effects of the “harmer’s” actions would bounce right off them.My understanding is that the best service you can be to others & to theworld is to maintain your highest possible vibration & that this in andof itself will be of major benefit to all.(By the way you mentioned people who are DOING good & people that AREbad. Don’t know if this is a question of semantics & you just meantpeople trying to do good & people intending to do harm unto others?).LOVED the discussion today, some very helpful pointers thank you both!My attention was very much caught by your “opinion about not having anopinion” – I can very much see how judging something as good or badcreates drama & problems, how important it is to be in acceptance ofwhere we’re currently at and not judge situations as bad.However surely we all have opinions on things ? This doesn’t inherentlymean that we label others who don’t share those opinions as wrong &can’t be open or flexible.I don’t listen live, (I live in the UK and get up at 5am) & in themorning listen to the podcast, so I didn’t directly help manifest thefollowing (although if time is just a mental construct maybe I did! ),but when you were talking about not having opinions I was thinking ofthe very subject you proposed to talk about next week; vaccines.Certainly especially in this current situation I can see that it’sCRUCIAL not to be defined by your opinions or try to persuade others whohold a different point of view as I see how divisive & corrosive thatwould be & we aren’t defined by our opinions they’re ultimately justthought forms that come and go BUT we do all have them. Do you mean thatwe shouldn’t have attachment to our opinions, or that we shouldn’t labelthings as good or bad OR that we shouldn’t even hold an opinion? If thatmakes any sense!If you want to be a part of our upcoming Thanksgiving “rampage ofgratitude” episode, click here: https://www.loatoday.net/gratitudeBe sure to “tell a friend to tell a friend” about the LOA Today app.The easiest way to install it is to visit:https://www.loatoday.net/download.

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Hatred Is Baggage / Hatred being a poison …. SO, LET'S GET RID OF IT In the King James Version of the Bible the text reads: But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; Matthew 5:44 Hatred have taken place around the world for decades but now it has taken a great hold on us here in America in the form of BLM and Antifa:  There has been too much exposure of such accounts hatred on the news and online for people not to be aware of it. As a result, it has led to many deaths some extremely horrible: You killed a child': Armed protesters in Georgia fire into car, striking 8-year-old girl Secoriea Turner: Hate crime, laws are not being enforced especially when it comes to these groups. Black Lives Matter (BLM) really should be re-named to Only Certain Black Lives Matter (OCBLM) because the only time that OCBLM demonstrates, extorts, burns, loots, assaults, and murders is when a white police officer kills an unarmed black man during an arrest since that is when OCBLM can leverage money and publicity from these deaths. , 'Enough!' When video footage was released Friday of a white Mesa, Ariz., police officer shooting dead a white man after the victim begged for his life while crawling on the floor, it was Black Lives Matter activists who called his death an outrage. The All Lives Matter crowd said nothing about Daniel Shaver's violent demise because All Lives Matter is not a thing. It is just cynical opposition to the thing that is Black Lives Matter. The biggest memory of hatred around the world stems from Germany under the direction of Adolf Hitler. His goal was to remove all the Jews from the world, and he succeeded in eliminating large numbers of them. Native Americans found themselves the victims of hate crimes as the white people began settling on the land in America as well. However, no one want to discuss this because everyone thinks blacks were the only victims of hate and racism and slavery. Is BLM and Antifa now the new Hitler? This terrorist act on America soil will now be if not already is the biggest organized group of haters around the world. Some forms of hate take place under the direction of organized groups. The Kul Klux Klan is well known for their intimidation and threats against blacks in the Southern region of the United States. They have been known to burn down Churches and homes belonging to black people as well to send them a direct message. Do we now have a new form of the KKK known as BLM and Antifa? No, they are being influence by the evilness and darkness of Satan Do not Be Deceived [The devil] is a liar and the father of lies.John 8:44.  We are not born hating people, hate is taught, hate is often the result of misinformation and from fear. Blacks were not the only slaves Christian slaves under roman rule The Galilee, where Jesus grew up, was dominated by Rome in the first century. Slavery existed in Galilee, just as it existed throughout the Roman Empire.  Barbary slave trade Christian slavery in Muslim Spain Ottoman slave trade, When Europeans Were Slaves: Research Suggests White Slavery Was Much More Common Than Previously Believed. The human cargo that arrived in Virginia in 1619 had come from the port city of Luanda, now the capital of present-day Angola. Back then, it was a Portuguese colony, and most of the enslaved are believed to have been captured during an ongoing war between Portugal and the kingdom of Ndonga. The people who came in August 1619 have been described as “the first Africans to set foot on the North American continent,” but that is incorrect. For example, as historian Henry Louis Gates Jr. has pointed out, Juan Garrido became the first documented black person to arrive in what would become the U.S. when he accompanied Juan Ponce de León in search of the Fountain of Youth in 1513, and they ended up in present-day Florida, around St. Augustine. Circassian slave Slavic Slaves Barbary slave trade Slavery under Islamic rule Arab slave trade What is Modern Slavery? Sex Trafficking. Child Sex Trafficking. Forced Labor. Bonded Labor or Debt Bondage. Domestic Servitude. Forced Child Labor. Unlawful Recruitment and Use of Child Soldiers.  The fact that society is so torn against each other means that more must be done to get people to accept such differences. Hatred tends to further separate our nation rather than bringing it together.   "What does the Bible say about hate?"  Biblically speaking, there are positive and negative aspects to hatred. It is acceptable to hate those things that God hates; indeed, this is very much a proof of a right standing with God. “Let those who love the Lord hate evil” (Psalm 97:10a). Indeed, the closer our walk with the Lord and the more we fellowship with Him, the more conscious we will be of sin, both within and without. Do we not grieve and burn with anger when God's name is maligned, when we see spiritual hypocrisy, when we see blatant unbelief and godless behavior? The more we understand God's attributes and love His character, the more we will be like Him and the more we will hate those things that are contrary to His Word and nature. However, the hatred that is negative surely must be that which is directed against others. The Lord mentions hatred in the Sermon on the Mount: “But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment” (Matthew 5:22). The Lord commands that not only should we be reconciled with our brother before we go before the Lord, but also that we do it quickly (Matthew 5:23-26). The act of murder itself was certainly condemned, but hatred is a “heart” sin, and any hateful thought or act is an act of murder in God's eyes for which justice will be demanded, possibly not in this life but at the judgment. So heinous is the position of hate before God that a man who hates is said to be walking in darkness, as opposed to the light (1 John 2:9, 11). The worst situation is that of a man who continues professing religion but remains at enmity with his brother. The Scriptures declare that such a person is a liar (1 John 4:20), and he may fool men, but not God. How many believers live for years pretending that all is well, putting on a front, only to be found finally wanting because they have harbored enmity (hatred) against a fellow believer? Hatred is a poison that destroys us from within, producing bitterness that eats away at our hearts and minds. Therefore, the Scriptures tell us not to let a “root of bitterness” spring up in our hearts (Hebrews 12:15). Hatred also destroys the personal witness of a Christian because it removes him from fellowship with the Lord and other believers. Let us be careful to do as the Lord advised and keep short accounts with everyone about everything, no matter how small, and the Lord will be faithful to forgive, as He has promised (1 John 1:9; 2:1).   Yes, ENOUGH already, we cannot change the past it is part of America History, but we can work towards a better future for our children:  Question: "Is forgetting the past biblical? Does the Bible instruct us to forget the past The apostle Paul ends a section in Philippians 3 by saying, “One thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus” (verses 13–14). Is Paul instructing us to forget everything that ever happened before we met Christ? Is this a command to purge our minds of all memories? It is important to consider the passage that precedes these words. Paul had just listed all his religious qualifications that, to the Jewish mind, were of supreme importance. He then states, “I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord” (verse 8). Paul is making the point that no fleshly accomplishment matters in comparison with knowing Christ and trusting in His righteousness alone for salvation (Ephesians 2:8–9). Regardless of how good or how bad we may have been, we must all come to Christ the same way: humble, repentant, and undeserving of His forgiveness (Romans 5:8; Titus 3:5). The word forgetting in this passage means “no longer caring for, neglecting, refusing to focus on.” Our memories store millions of pieces of information gained through our senses since birth. Some experiences are impossible to forget, and any effort to forget them only makes them more prominent. Paul is not advising a memory wipe; he is telling us to focus on the present and the future, rather than the past.   It is easy to “live in the past.” Whether it is a past victory that our minds continually replay or a past defeat that hangs over us like a shroud, it needs to be left in the past. Nothing hinders present service quite like being mired in another time. Modeling Paul's forgetfulness means we count the past as nothing. We cut the strings that tie us to that bygone moment. We refuse to allow past successes to inflate our pride. We refuse to allow past failures to deflate our self-worth. We leave it behind and instead adopt our new identity in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17). We are not to forget everything, however, in the sense of being oblivious to it. In fact, there are many times God instructs us to remember. In Deuteronomy 9:7, Moses tells the Israelites to “remember this and never forget how you aroused the anger of the Lord your God in the wilderness. From the day you left Egypt until you arrived here, you have been rebellious against the Lord.” We are encouraged to remember all God has done for us (Psalm 77:11; 103:2), others who are suffering for Christ's sake (Hebrews 13:3; Colossians 4:18), and what we were before Jesus saved us (Ephesians 2:11–12; 1 Corinthians 6:9–11). But the remembering should be to the glory of God and for our spiritual benefit. If we are cleansed by the blood of Christ, then no judgment remains for past failures (Romans 8:1). If God chooses not to remember our past sins (Hebrews 8:12), we can choose to set them aside as well and embrace the future He promises to those who love Him (Romans 8:28; Ephesians 2:10). Reality hate will be around until Jesus comes back: however, we can do our best to love one another and listen to the word of God:       Research done by: Willie T Ayers Veteran for Christ I'm Truly Blessed: (I'm just a nobody trying to tell everybody about somebody that can save anybody ….do you know him …his name is JESUS) I'm not ashamed of the Gospel: : I pray to never begin my day without thinking that perhaps he may interrupt my daily routine and begin His own. I am not looking for death. I am looking for Him. Today might be the last day when Jesus returns. : I Would rather stand with GOD and be judged by the world, Than to stand with the world and be judged by GOD (GOD'S judgement is eternal) The Joy I have the world did not give it to me……And the world cannot take it away. Have a God-day God is good all the time…and all the time God is good https://wakeupcastlerockandamerica.podbean.com/ or https://it-is-not-about-me-it-isabout-him.support/

Should you rent or own your home?  Host Keith Weinhold reveals the biggest homeowner myths. Complete episode transcript below. Read along. Resources mentioned: Business Insider: Rent vs. Own: https://www.businessinsider.com/buying-a-home-instead-of-renting-isnt-always-better-for-your-savings-2017-11 Housing Wire: Homeowners Wish They Were Renting: https://www.housingwire.com/articles/49743-quarter-of-us-homeowners-wish-they-were-renting-instead/ Mortgage Loans: RidgeLendingGroup.com QRPs: text “QRP” in ALL CAPS to 72000 or: eQRP.co By texting “QRP” to 72000 and opting in, you will receive periodic marketing messages from eQRP Co. Message & data rates may apply. Reply “STOP” to cancel. New Construction Turnkey Property: NewConstructionTurnkey.com Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Top Properties & Providers: GREturnkey.com Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith’s personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Welcome to Get Rich Education. I’m your host, Keith Weinhold. Is homeownership a sham? Is it a rip-off?    When it comes to the home that you live in yourself, is it better for you to pay rent to a landlord, or own that home yourself?    For your primary residence, what should you do in your specific life situation? You’ll learn today … on Get Rich Education.   ——————-   Welcome to GRE! From Syracuse, Sicily, Italy to Syracuse, New York and across 188 nations worldwide. I’m Keith Weinhold, this is Get Rich Education.   Usually on this show, you learn about how buy-and-hold rental property, when bought strategically - produces wealth. We’ll return to that next week, but today ...   … it’s about your primary residence. And, when we talk about, should you own your home or is it better for you to pay rent to a landlord - think about how important this is.    Because whether I’ve had the chance to meet you yet or not, there’s one thing that I definitely know about you, and that is, you are always going to live … somewhere.   Your housing expense is one of the biggest financial expenses in your life.      Despite that it’s such a substantial financial decision for you, some people revert to orthodoxy - this FLAWED orthodoxy where they think that owning is always better. That’s not true.   I really want you to watch your mind as I tell you this today, because there are very likely a few tripwires installed there … and I am about to hit some of them. So do your best to remain calm … if you must.   Though more people are waking up to the fact that renting is sometimes better, I still think that popular culture has long reinforced this misplaced notion that owning is always better.      “Are you a homeowner, Greg? No. I rent. Oh.”    Haha! That’s from the classic comedy movie “Meet The Parents”. Owen Wilson & Ben Stiller - while Robert De Niro - the future father-in-law was party to that chat where he’s thinking that the homeowner is the more apropos suitor for his daughter than the renter is.    Look, if you can OWN a home and your monthly housing payment is $2,500, but you could instead PAY RENT on an equivalent home for $1,500 - now your cash flow has increased by $1,000. That’s money in your pocket today that could be re-invested at a rate of return.   Now with your $2,500 housing payment in this example - that’s more than just a mortgage payment remember.    When you own, your HOUSING payment consists of mortgage principal & interest, property tax, property insurance, maintenance, repairs, utilities and more. You’ve got to add all that up to get to $2,500.    What about that TIME it took you on HOW to repair the leaky faucet when you owned the home? Factor that in.   Now, the homeowner might reply, but at least part of my $2,500 payment is building equity for me. Yes, it is. A minority of that payment is building equity. You’d rather have equity - you’d rather have principal paydown than lose it to interest.    And you’d rather have equity than nothing.   But, as I’ve discussed extensively elsewhere - so I won’t do that again here - home equity is unsafe, illiquid, and it’s rate of return is always zero.   You can probably repeat that to me at this point - ha!    Also, what’s more important in your life? Cash flow or equity? Cash flow is what creates financial freedom. As an investor in the pursuit of freedom, in fact, you want to CONVERT your equity to cash flow.    Remember, in this $1,500 rent payment vs. $2,500 housing payment scenario on your primary residence … it’s the renter that has the additional $1,000 cash flow and the homeowner that builds the equity.   Let me remind you. If you would like to READ along as you listen to the show today or you know someone that’s hearing impaired, you can read the complete transcript to this episode at GetRichEducation.com/309.    That’s GetRichEducation.com/309 to see all the Show Notes and the entire written transcript for this episode.    Well, some people think that buying & owning their primary residence is: "LIke paying rent. Except you get to keep it." Well,that has caused millions of people to buy houses that they later regret.    I know a young, married couple - Jerome and Jessica - they’ve got two kids. They wanted to move from snowy Anchorage, Alaska to Las Vegas, Nevada. They had lived their entire lives in Anchorage and were tired of the snow and wanted some heat.    You think that they might discover an overcorrection problem, btw? Vegas is in the middle of the Mojave Desert. But anyway ...   They had owned their Anchorage home for five years before they put it up for sale. That was the first home that they ever owned - starter home.   Had they been renting that home - they could have moved where they wanted to in as little as a month.    But as homeowners, by the time they made all the make-ready repairs to the home, got it listed for sale, had to repeatedly prepare their home for showings - meaning they had to intermittently get their home in pristine condition to make it look good for showings - uprooting their lives every time … they finally sold it in 4-½ months by the time their buying got their financing in order & inspections & appraisal & the deal actually closed.   If Jerome and Jessica had been renters instead, they could have been on their way in a month.   Plus, over the five years, their home appreciated a little, but not enough to offset the 4% closing costs when they had bought five years earlier, all the maintenance & repairs that they had put into place DURING the five years they lived there, plus then they then had to pay a real estate agent a 5% commission when they sold.   They not only lost money by owning, they lost time, they lost mobility. They didn’t have liquidity.   For Jerome and Jessica, they got a lesson. “Paying rent is not the same as throwing money away.”   Well, I can tell you, Jerome and Jessica moved to Vegas one year ago now. They have been renting from Day One there, they’re still renting, and they have no plans to buy in Vegas anytime soon.   “Paying rent is not throwing money away” because you get the BENEFIT as using that space as a home, a place to sleep, prepare food, eat, shower, study, entertain - how in the world is that throwing money away? It isn’t.    You know that I’ve told you on this show before that paying rent is not throwing money away just like the five hour flight that you took from Boston to Phoenix last year wasn’t throwing money away.   No one called it throwing money away when you paid $500 to “rent” that airline seat for five hours. Why, because you had the BENEFIT of travelling somewhere.   Sheesh, how far are people going to take it with this nonsense that “Paying rent is like throwing money away?”   Your gym membership is $50 a month. But you didn’t get to take a set of the 40-pound hex dumbbells home after six months of membership did you?   Gosh, how far would you take this nonsense line of reasoning?   You like to go mini-golfing? I’ll bet that you paid some portion of your fee to rent the put-put club and a little orange golf ball for two hours.   How are you going to think - that you now expect to own equity in a put-put golf club that’s all nicked-up and was used by 80 different people? Sheesh, that’s ridiculous.    You had the benefit of a gym membership because you’re healthier. You had the benefit of mini-golfing because you like some recreation. You didn’t throw money away.   What about renting an RV for a week? You didn’t throw money away. You had the benefit of using it.   This whole misguided notion that paying rent for a place to live is throwing money away is a … replete farce.    But that also doesn’t mean that renting your primary residence is always better than owning either.    Well, let me give you some numbers here. This will help you debunk that notion that - ad infin-I-tum, homeownership is better.   Look, in a place like Manhattan’s Tribeca neighborhood, a small apartment has, just for simplicity, say a rent-to-value ratio of three-tenths of one-percent.   That’s a lousy deal if you’re the landlord and an awesome deal if you’re the renter.    So, what that means is that market rent is only $300 per $100K worth of property. That’s that three-tenths of 1%.   That ratio might then be $3,000 of rent on a $1M apartment in Tribeca, Manhattan.   But look, in a place like Memphis, Tennessee or Little Rock Arkansas, the rent-to-value ratio might be a full 1%.    Now see, if you’re a renter here, you’d have to pay $1,000 for every $100K worth of property. (Not $300 like Manhattan)     Well, in that case, it makes more sense for you to own your home.    BTW, it also then, makes sense for you to own Memphis real estate & rent it to others - because for every $100K of Memphis property you own, you’d RECEIVE $1,000 in rent. You’d RECEIVE a full 1%.   Generally, on the coasts, it’s better to pay rent for your primary residence - and in the heartland, it’s better to own that real estate - whether you’re renting it to others OR living there yourself.   But there are so many more considerations here than just numbers and geography. So, what else makes sense to your specific situation?   And before I go on, please don’t think that I’m “against” the real estate AGENT industry. That’s not true. Gosh, I’ll stand up for a GOOD real estate agent when it makes sense.   For example, when it comes to selling your home, you might not want to pay a 5 or 6% sales commission to an agent. Some people would rather sell it themselves and pay 1 or 2%.   But what some sellers fail to consider is that an agent might help you get 4% more for it because they know how to reach more buyers, and do it fast, and save you a lot of hassle and uncertainty.   So, there’s just one example of how I’ll stick up for agents when it makes sense.     But, getting back to should you own or rent your primary residence, I’m here to help you decide what’s best for you. You’ve ultimately got to decide.    I WILL tell you when it’s better to be a homeowner than rent shortly. But first ... A recent survey from Freedom Debt Relief shows that homeowners have many regrets when it comes to the purchase of a new home, mostly because they are largely unprepared for the initial cost and the ongoing financial responsibility that comes with homeownership.  Of the 1,028 people surveyed, 29% said homeownership makes them feel anxious and stressed, while 26% said the cost of owning a home is a burden and they wished they were renting instead. When it comes to affording house payments, it was Millennials and Gen Z homeowners who said they are struggling the most. Half of these homeowners said property taxes turned out to be higher than they expected, while 52% said their monthly mortgage payments are too high.  With renting comes an always-available maintenance team and the ability to call the landlord when there is a problem. Conversely, homeowners have to mow their own lawn, paint their own walls and fix their own leaky faucets.  And some of these tasks have homeowners shelling out more cash than they planned, with 59% saying maintenance and repairs are more costly and require more effort than expected, and 60% saying they cannot afford needed upgrades.  That said, it seems the idea of owning a home is still attached to the concept of what it means to succeed in this country, with 59% of homeowners saying they believe that owning a home is still part of the American dream.  I’d like to add that the survey was conducted “pre-pandemic”.   Most people think that owning a home is a financial asset.   That's debatable.   The Rich Dad school of thought is known for saying that, "A home is a liability, not an asset".    An asset puts money into your pocket every month. A home is a liability because it takes money out of your pocket every month.   Of course, in the conventional sense, a home is in your asset column and it’s mortgage is in your liability column.   Though owning a home is often a poor financial investment, you still tie up a lot of money in your humble abode.    You really have more than two choices in how you live - it’s actually more than just rent or own.    You have four choices in how you live: you can own your home, pay rent to a landlord, be homeless, or live with your parents – ha!   We’re only discussing two here: Rent vs. Own.   Fannie Mae associates “Home ownership with the American Dream.” in their marketing slogan.    In America, how many people own their homes vs. rent their homes anyway? About 2/3rds own and ⅓ rent. The homeownership rate is currently about 68%.    Well, I’ve probably got your wheels turning now on “rent vs. own”.    Let’s break things down further. I’ve got 16 factors that I came up with here for you to consider, many of which you’ve never thought about before - on this.   Often it’s an exercise in pros vs. cons for you. Often, it’s rationalizing a series of trade-offs for you.    The first of these 16 factors is ... Mobility. Many people move more often than they expect. Renting keeps you nimble. With a new job opportunity or life change like marriage and kids, your mobility is an asset. A homeowner that moves a lot gets eaten up and beaten up with closing costs, make-ready expenses, and sales commissions. Kinda like where I told you about Jerome, Jessica, and their two kids.   Choice. There are more homes for sale than there are rentals, especially at the higher end. See if you want to rent a high-end place, they’re often really hard-to-find, especially in a more rural area. Renting of high-end homes limits your choice. You might feel like you HAVE to buy to get what you want.   Equity Buildup. Equity is the difference between what your home is worth and how much you owe on a mortgage. Homeowners build equity; renters don’t. Equity is like a forced savings plan. But equity is an awful investment with zero return. Your return is zero because the presence or absence of home equity has nothing to do with whether or not your home appreciates. (Yet you would rather have equity than nothing.) Houses make terrible “banks” - they’re bad places to store cash.   Liquidity. Though most homeowners build equity, it’s difficult to access. To tap your home equity, you must prove to a bank that you qualify again, wait months, incur costs, and you still might be denied access to the equity. Opportunity Cost. Many tie up a 20% down payment or more in home equity. As I’ve stated, those equity dollars are low-use, zero return dollars. Instead, your chunk of money can be earning a return for you elsewhere.   Sunk Cost. This is an overlooked killer for homeowners. I mentioned some of them already. Mortgage loan closing costs, constant home maintenance and repairs, property taxes, utilities, landscaping, snow removal, leaf raking, rototilling, replacing obsolete fixtures and appliances, roofing, and painting costs are never fully recouped when you go to sell it. Renters bear almost none of these sunk costs. Renters aren’t losing time at Lowe’s & Home Depot either.   Control. Homeowners have a big advantage here. The peace of mind of knowing that a landlord can’t tell you to move is priceless. You have a feeling of belonging, an anchor. As a homeowner, you can knock out a wall, renovate your kitchen, or add a fence. Make it yours. Control is a big homeowner “plus”.    Appreciation. Renters don’t experience price appreciation. They commonly even have to endure rent price increases. Homeowners with loans benefit from financial leverage, which can amplify your wealth in an appreciating environment (though you’re lucky if this offsets ongoing opportunity cost and sunk cost). Inflation becomes your friend for homeowners - and when you’ve only got a tiny down payment into a home that you own - leverage AND inflation are both your friend. Now, a homeowner may also get an unusually outsized equity benefit if they buy in the right place at the right time. For example, if they had bought 10 or more years ago in a place that’s appreciated a lot - for example in Charlotte, Nashville, Austin, or Boise. That could be a homeowner boon there. But if you buy a home and it’s value doesn’t appreciate - or even goes down - plus each month you paid more than you would have as a renter - plus you’ve lost time doing repairs & maintenance, then you’re REALLY lost out as a homeowner. Tax Advantages. Homeowners often get the mortgage interest deduction. But this is just one small consideration. As our most recurrent guest in GRE history, Rich Dad Advisor Tom Wheelwright says, “Don’t let the tax tail wag the dog.” To say that “I’m buying instead of renting for tax reasons.” That’s a really weak argument.   Low mortgage rates. Homeowners can tie up long-term fixed interest rate debt at these historically low rates. Economists believe they’ll stay low for a long time into the future. This is a homeowner advantage.   Price and Rent-To-Value Ratio. If a home costs less than $250,000, own it. If it costs more, pay rent. If the monthly rent is under $700 per $100,000 of home, rent it. If rent costs more, own it. That’s that approximate seven-tenths of one percent rent-to-value ratio - or rent-to-price ratio. This formulaic approach indicates how much “home” you have the benefit of living in per dollar paid. Regional and other factors can skew these numbers. Of course, when we get that general with the numbers, there are going to be more exceptions.   Community formation. Owning your home provides both you and your neighbors a feeling of “belonging.” Homeowners are more likely to look out for the common good of the neighborhood. That helps everyone. People feel more fulfilled when they’re part of something greater than themselves.   Travel. This is so simple yet everyone overlooks this. Have you been to New York City? New Hampshire? Iowa? Arizona? Florida? Alaska? Ecuador? If you haven’t even gotten out to see the very world that you live in, be a renter until you’ve found the place that fits your interests.  Some people find themselves owning a home for a few years, then later realize that they don’t even live in a region that fits their interests. Maybe you don’t want to move far away because you want to be close to family. That’s legit. Family can be a good reason for NOT making a distant move. It’s about what’s important … to you.   Personal cash flow. If it costs substantially more to own a place rather than rent that place, then rent it…and vice versa. Homeowners that divert too much of their income into housing payments are what’s known as “House Poor.” This stifles your opportunity to travel, invest, and provide opportunity for your family.   Natural disasters. Areas subject to frequent earthquakes, hurricanes, and floods clearly tilt to the renter’s advantage. Even if you’re adequately insured as a homeowner, these catastrophes are worse for homeowners. No one thinks about that stuff until it happens.   Consumer advantages. Owning rather than renting can give you higher credit card limits and more favorable insurance rates. Those are the 16 factors that I compiled to help you figure out what makes sense for you.   A decided stigma still exists with renting. But you don’t live your life for the Joneses, you live it for you.   I’ve got more for you on: “Should you rent your home or own your home.?   Hey, have you had something on your mind that’s made you want to write into the show, but you just haven’t done it yet?   Well, I think that it’s been a while since I mentioned our Contact Page here on the air.    You can get ahold of us at GetRichEducation.com/Contact.   What you can do there is either send us a WRITTEN message - or you have the option of leaving some audio - basically leaving a voicemail.    I really like it when you leave us a voicemail personally, because it’s something that I might be able to play & answer on the air for you.   I like to hear your voice.   We get a ton of messages - and we’re grateful for them. But understand that we sure can’t give personal replies to every one of them.   You can either write in OR leave a voicemail, again, at GetRichEducation.com/Contact.   More on rent vs. own, next. I want to try to help you make the best decision that you possibly can. I’m Keith Weinhold. This is Get Rich Education. ____________________   Welcome back to Get Rich Education. I’m your host Keith Weinhold.   Homeowners have a higher net worth than renters.    The average homeowner net worth is $195,000. The average renter net worth is only $5,000.    That is a substantial gap. The means that homeowner net worth is nearly 40 times what renter net worth is.   Does that alone mean that owning is better? No. I think that it does TILT toward owning.   But see, to even BE a homeowner and qualify for a mortgage, you would have already needed to have assets and income … in order to cross that threshold.   I don’t think these figures are a good reflection of WHERE the homeowners wealth actually came from - was it equity building through leveraged appreciation & principal paydown or how much income they earn from their job?   That’s information that I’d like to see.    Of course, in the greater context of Get Rich Education - net worth matters. Not as much as cash flow, but it matters, because net worth can be converted into cash flow.   Nonetheless, that net worth stat still tilts to the homeowner favor, just not as much as one thinks. "People often say that buying a home was the best investment they ever made," that’s what Ne ela Hummel said - the chief planning officer at financial planning firm Abacus Wealth Partners.  "The problem is that their return as investors is often worse than they think.  When calculating how much they made on a home, most people do not include the out-of-pocket costs they incurred through things like replacing pipes, repairing roofs, or numerous other unexpected expenses that come up. As a tenant, your costs are fixed, but as a homeowner, you are on the hook for any repair that comes up." That’s the end of what they said. Those needed repairs to your home may involve you doing a lot of research online - and watching YouTube videos - to find a solution or simply paying a repairman to remedy the issue.  Either way, you’re on the hook for investing more time and money into your home when something breaks. Now, I’ve got another test on renting vs. owning your home.   Is a home an “investment”? Do you see your primary residence as an “investment”.   Well, what is an “investment” anyway? What is the definition of “investment”.   We are an investing show - and we take deep consideration of both the value of your time and your money here, so …   The definition of “investment”, per the Oxford dictionary is … “the action or process of investing money for profit or material result.” That’s it.   So is your home an investment? I think some people see it that way.    Like I’ve said, if you’re rather lucky and buy the home in the right place and at the right time - you could profit from it. Though that’s more the exception than the norm … probably.   What I like to say is that in general, your primary residence is a poor FINANCIAL investment. But it is a good LIFESTYLE investment.    See, in this way, your primary residence is like a vacation.   That is because, think about the money you spent on your last vacation. Whether you went to the beach or the ski slopes or French vineyards, it was not a good strict FINANCIAL investment, but it was a good LIFESTYLE investment.    You improved your quality of life. You improved your standard of living.   A home is typically a good lifestyle investment and a poor financial investment.   Now, look, we’re all somewhat biased based upon our own set of experiences. That goes for me too. I am an 18-year real estate investor.    I grew up in a home that my parents … owned. They even had the mortgage completely paid-off early.    In fact, I think I shared with you before that my parents still live in the same Pennsylvania house that they’ve owned continuously since 1974.   But when I grew up in upstate Pennsylvania, all my friends’ families OWNED their homes. No one rented.   Later, I’d go on to learn about socioeconomic stratification and how I’d just be less likely to associate and even meet kids from renter households.   There was one notable outlier. When I was about 14 years old and the Petroski family moved to town - they were some pretty nice, relatable friends that were into sports & baseball cards - and I learned that they rented.    And that was the first time that I ever remember hearing the word “landlord” in my life … when the Petroskis talked about their landlord, Mr. Hosley.   I’ll tell you, my parents owning their home might have help stabilize my childhood. I’m not really sure, because I can’t compare what it’s like to move as a kid, because we never moved.   If you’ve got kids, is uprooting them to move damaging to them?    Or does it help them become more adaptable later in life? I truly don’t know the answer. I haven’t read about that at all.   But all the kids knew where I lived & could count on me for getting together.    I had an awesome childhood, raised with two married parents, playing wiffle ball in the yard, catching crayfish in the creek, going camping, and collecting Star Wars action figures. All that great kid stuff. And part of that is … well ...   Home felt like home. If it’s important for you to build a legacy for your family and have your home incorporated into that - then perhaps only homeownership will give you those … nostalgic feelings.    For me, it was knowing how my brother & I’s Christmas stockings were going to be hung from the mantle in the living room next to our wood-burning stove.    The love from my parents is the most important thing for sure. But knowing that everything was going to be in the same place every year too?   You need to understand something. That right there brought me a FEELING, an emotion, that concern for a rent-to-value ratio NEVER could. That’s stuff’s got NOTHING to do with math.   If you can’t feel at home, at home, then where you can feel “at home”?   Remembering that spot on the living room floor where I was watching the television when the Phillies won the World Series. Yeah, I can still go there and show you that in my parents’ home.   See, if I go much further down this track, I’ll soon get teary-eyed here with you.    So, with rent vs. own, is there a hybrid approach? No, there’s not really. There’s something called a lease-purchase. But those agreements are uncommon.    One somewhat hybridized approach is … one that I’ve taken.    I own the home that I live in. I’ve lived in that home for 8 years. But see, what I did is, knowing what we know about equity, is that I decided to own my home but have a low equity position.   I made a 5% down payment with a conventional loan.    See, now I’ve got 20:1 leverage, very little skin in the game, and still have control, plus I got a 3.5% interest rate back in 2012.   See, instead of putting 20%, with 5% down, now I have that difference of 15% of the value of the home … out working for me as equity levers in other income properties in other states.   And no, I pay ZERO monthly PMI despite putting 5% down with a conventional loan. I’ve given you detail on how I pulled that off on previous shows, and you can too.    The short story is, make a strong offer on your buy price and put it into the contract that your seller pay upfront PMI for you.   Now, there are some other distinct things happening in my geography where - if someone wanted to come buy my primary residence from me, but yet I could keep living here as their renter …   … and it was written into the contract that they couldn’t make me move, and I know I would pay them a lower rent amount than I’m currently paying in my mortgage & all those other homeowner expenses, I WOULD consider doing that.   Those situations are hard to find.   Yep, I would convert my mortgage payments to rent payments if I could get that arrangement.    And why do this? Because the lower rent payment would increase my personal monthly cash flow, plus it would free up any dead equity that I have in the home.   Part of the rationale there is that my home market has few prospects for substantial appreciation in the next few years.   Well, in rent vs. own, what’s the bottom line with what makes the most sense for you financially? (Just … talking financial only here)   Be a renter in a high-end home and then buy low-cost income properties in investor-advantaged markets in the Midwest and South - that you rent out to others.   See, if you’re a renter in a high-end home, now you’ve got zero dead equity tied up in your home - and instead, it’s leveraging property in sensible markets.   In fact, I know a few other people - savvy people - that understand rent-to-price ratios and do exactly that.    They’re FAIRLY wealthy people that are renters by choice - and own lots of rental property in low-priced markets.   But there’s no one definitive OVERALL factor in your Rent vs. Own decision because this is where finances and feelings intersect.   So here’s hoping that you’re finding a few considerations that you’ve never thought about before!   To be clear here and to summarize overall ...   Is homeownership a sham? Is it a rip-off? No.   Is homeownership overrated? Yes, it still is.   Many people that are renting should own. These people seem to know that.   Conversely, many that are owning would actually be better off renting. Few seem to know that and they’re even willing to take up an argument with you.  They’ve heard the same “Paying rent is like throwing money away.” thing for so long, that they’d rather argue than really think it through.   Well, the reason that I did this show today - though it’ll be just as relevant if you’re listening 5 to 10 years from now, is pandemic-related.    It’s because the COVID-19 pandemic is appearing to increase the migration rate as people look for less dense housing.    Whether you’re migrating or not, now you better know whether renting or owning your home makes the most sense for you.   Next week here on the show, we’ll discuss what we usually do - INCOME property - property that you don’t live in, but instead, rent to others - and just exactly why the investment makes more ordinary people wealthy than anything else.    If there’s one thing that I know about you, it’s that you are always going to live somewhere.    And you know what else, so is everyone that you know.    Every person that you know - may or may not own rental property - but everyone that you know is always going to live somewhere too.    Do you think that this show would benefit them?    This episode in particular might save your family and friends SO much time and money.   I love it when you share the show with others. So I’d be grateful if you took a screenshot of this episode and shared it on your Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, or even through an email or text with those that you care about.    I always endeavor to make things clear to understand here on the show. I’m Keith Weinhold.   Don’t Quit Your Daydream!

Hello Runners, How’s things? Hanging in there? Keeping your motivation level up to run? Are you still jazzed about virtual races or are you burned out on them? I know it is hard to keep focused without a target race. Bobby O’Donnell, author of the book Running Wild is my guest this episode. At 17, while in Boston to celebrate his dads birthday, he wanted to run the Boston Marathon. Only because he wanted a jacket. Well, he did run it on April 15, 2013, the year of the bombings. The events of that day changed the course of his life forever. Over the following five years, dealing with PTSD, he tacked it by running all seven continents. An amazing conversation! Keeping an eye on the 2021 races. Rock n’ Roll cancelled the Denver Half-Marathon and the New Orleans Marathon for next year and will bring them back in 2022. Hope this is not a trend. I did my first trail run at Green Mountain in West Denver a week ago. Picked up a brand new pair of HOKA Speed Goat trail shoes. Beautiful run and more trails are in my future. But not the shoes. I picked up some groceries on the way home. Brought everything into my place except for my new shoes. Let the car unlocked and the shoes are gone. $160 gone. Bummer :( Enjoy your week! And be safe runners. Wear your mask in public. Please be kind and courteous to others. And remember to “just show up and always, ALWAYS, feel good about YOUR running!” ~ Jim   SHOW NOTES    Bobby O'Donnell Buy the Book, "Running Wild" - (https://www.amazon.com/Running-Wild-Healing-Across-Continents/dp/1645431010/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=Running+Wild&qid=1597711736&sr=8-5) Because I said I Would - (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPhTdyZVH7Y) Social Media - (https://www.facebook.com/runwildbook) Blog - (https://trailstoked.com/2020/06/)   Inspirational Running Quote “Adventure and spontaneity is what brings a smile to my soul and allows me to live without the regret of ever having to wonder, What if?” – Bobby O’Donnell   Communicate  Please consider leaving an audio message to leave a comment, brag about a running accomplishment or provide feedback. I would like to hear your thoughts. It’s simple!  (https://www.speakpipe.com/feelgoodrunning)   Subscribe Get on our email list for the Feel Good Running Newsletter. You will receive a free gift of 101+ Running-Related Links. All the necessary running links you will need right at your fingertips: Apparel, Podcast, Training Programs, Publication and more! Get on the list today!  (https://feelgoodrunning.us8.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=79dc810cc4ed20954f08e82dc&id=74f871b78f)   Share “Feel Good Running” Podcast Again, I want to thank you for listening to my podcast! You can really help out by leaving a rating and review on  (http://feelgoodrunning.com/) with your friends and on your social media platforms. It would mean the world to me and help the show to grow!

Well Hello Toowoomba,In EP 26, we talk with a new, old business started here in town by a farming family wanting to do something different. Now you may know of the old Payne's Meats store, well this is their new venture, The Paddock.They have been trading in their new premises now for a few weeks, so we had to catch up with Ted Ellison and find out how it is all going.Well it has been a very long week, as you know I participated in last Monday's sleep out for Base Services, homeless for a week challenge, and I am so happy to report we have raised $7,780 for Base Services.To everybody who donated thank-you so much, I really appreciate the gesture of support. Iwould like to specially mention The Bus Queensland Long Distance Division who offered up a massive $7500 for the cause.They are a great part of the Toowoomba Community linking Brisbane and Toowoomba with Charleville, Roma, Cunnamulla, Mt Isa and Townsville, with both passenger and freight services.It is going to make a huge difference, and help keep the Base Soup Kitchen operating and helping those who need it here in our Toowoomba community, so thankyou again for all your support for this great cause.In News of the WeekMore than 1500 new trees will be planted across the Toowoomba Region this month.The Community Tree Planting Day will be held at Pittsworth’s Rotaract Park and Stenner Street Park in Middle Ridge on Saturday 29 August from 8.30-11.30am.“This is an open event for everyone in our community,” but bookings are necessary due to Covid 19 restrictions. Register on 13 18 72On this day this week, we highlight Wednesday 12th of August.In 30 B.C. Cleopatra, the queen of Egypt and lover of Julius Caesar and Mark Antony, takes her life following the defeat of her forcesIn 1851 Isaac Singer received a patent , within a decade his Singer Sewing machine was the worlds best seller.Microsoft's MS Dos was used by IBM as the operating system in the first personal computer sold on Aug 12 1981.In 1990 The largest ever Tyrannosaurus Rex skeleton was discovered in South Dakota USA, after excavation, it was almost 90% complete, it was 13 feet high or 4 metres at the hips and 42 feet long or just shy of 13 metres, from head to toe, with a 2,000-pound or 900 kg skull , and a mere 67 million years old.What's On proudly brought to you by the Toowoomba Regional CouncilMonday Aug 10 Job Assist run by the Cedar Centre Training group is on at the Toowoomba Library at 10am bookings are essential for this free event.Tuesday Aug 11 Entrepreneurs Breakfast at the Parkhouse Café from 0715am, this free event is run by Canvas Coworking, see there FB event or website for details.Saturday Aug 15Monster Thrillmaster Spectacular on at Toowoomba Showgrounds starts at 4:30 pmLocal & Live @ The Powerhouse Toowoomba from 7 PM Book your tickets as there are Limited tickets availableEmpire Theatre has magician Christopher Wayne in the house, with his Fully Clothed- A magic Show from 4-5 pm, tickets at the Empire Theatre website.Sunday August 16Join Kristy from Kreate It for Blush Blooms at the Tinker studio in Dexter St, 8:30 till 11:30Also on Sunday a Back to Basics Make-Up Workshop from 10:30-5pm, held by Glamore Beauty and Makeup, see their FB events for details.MarketsSaturday the 15thThe Toowoomba Farmers markets on this Saturday from 08am under the windmill at Cobb n Co musuemSunday the 16ththe Toowoomba PCYC Markets at the PCYC Toowoomba from 06 amand Queens Park Markets at Frogs Hollow Queens Park 8 am till 1 pmWell that is it again for another week, we would love you to subscribe so you don't miss an episode, or join our email list and get it emailed directly to you, and its OK we won't spam your inbox. If you are holding a sporting, business or school event event we love to hear from you so we can include in our podcast Enjoy your week, stay safe, I'm Shane see you around Toowoomba.Show edited and Produced by |SJA Media Services

Well Hello Toowoomba,In EP 26, we talk with a new, old business started here in town by a farming family wanting to do something different. Now you may know of the old Payne's Meats store, well this is their new venture, The Paddock.They have been trading in their new premises now for a few weeks, so we had to catch up with Ted Ellison and find out how it is all going.Well it has been a very long week, as you know I participated in last Monday's sleep out for Base Services, homeless for a week challenge, and I am so happy to report we have raised $7,780 for Base Services.To everybody who donated thank-you so much, I really appreciate the gesture of support. Iwould like to specially mention The Bus Queensland Long Distance Division who offered up a massive $7500 for the cause.They are a great part of the Toowoomba Community linking Brisbane and Toowoomba with Charleville, Roma, Cunnamulla, Mt Isa and Townsville, with both passenger and freight services.It is going to make a huge difference, and help keep the Base Soup Kitchen operating and helping those who need it here in our Toowoomba community, so thankyou again for all your support for this great cause.In News of the WeekMore than 1500 new trees will be planted across the Toowoomba Region this month.The Community Tree Planting Day will be held at Pittsworth’s Rotaract Park and Stenner Street Park in Middle Ridge on Saturday 29 August from 8.30-11.30am.“This is an open event for everyone in our community,” but bookings are necessary due to Covid 19 restrictions. Register on 13 18 72On this day this week, we highlight Wednesday 12th of August.In 30 B.C. Cleopatra, the queen of Egypt and lover of Julius Caesar and Mark Antony, takes her life following the defeat of her forcesIn 1851 Isaac Singer received a patent , within a decade his Singer Sewing machine was the worlds best seller.Microsoft's MS Dos was used by IBM as the operating system in the first personal computer sold on Aug 12 1981.In 1990 The largest ever Tyrannosaurus Rex skeleton was discovered in South Dakota USA, after excavation, it was almost 90% complete, it was 13 feet high or 4 metres at the hips and 42 feet long or just shy of 13 metres, from head to toe, with a 2,000-pound or 900 kg skull , and a mere 67 million years old.What's On proudly brought to you by the Toowoomba Regional CouncilMonday Aug 10 Job Assist run by the Cedar Centre Training group is on at the Toowoomba Library at 10am bookings are essential for this free event.Tuesday Aug 11 Entrepreneurs Breakfast at the Parkhouse Café from 0715am, this free event is run by Canvas Coworking, see there FB event or website for details.Saturday Aug 15

In honour and horror of Hiroshima Day, August 6th, Michael reads “Paper Cranes,” by a former Astorian, and “I Would be a Witness to Hiroshima,” by Sadako Kurihara. In addition, David Horrowitz discusses modern issues surrounding Portland in “City of Roses Coloured Glasses.”

Daniel Zhu, the creator of the popular social media channel, Stance Elements, discusses his insight on how his channels blew up on social media, social media marketing, the bboy scene, breakdancing in the Olympics, and the dance scenes similarity to the Esports scene.A broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form. Follow @Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoise Listen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoys----more----[Music]this episode of noise of the probe boysis brought to you by free time are theremoments in your lifehas there ever been a time no those arenot questions I forgot to finish theyare legit inquisitions i have for all mylisteners free time is something that isoften overlooked in our lives but thesum of all our short moments in lifehappened to add up to many wasted hoursper day in that time consider how manybread making cookbooks you could haveread or how many shake weights you couldhave well shook next time you have aspare second consider using it in a more/ less constructive way by turning onthe noise of the broke boys podcast anddropping us alike thanks for yourcontinued support and now on to the show[Music]in this episode the creator of Stan'selements an online movement artsplatform sits down to discuss thehistory of its creation we discussvarious topics related to digital mediamarketing videography hip hop andentrepreneurship I had a great timepicking his brain about his side ofbreaking in social media that I don'tknow much about please enjoy the episodewith mr. Daniels ooh hellowelcome everybody to the slow subtlecollapse of society in podcast form thisis north of the broke boys I am yourhost Kurt the hurt and today I have aspecial guest his name is Daniel zu heis mr. Stan's the creator of Stan's theCEO of Stan I don't know what is yourtitle grand wizard of Grand Wizard justcall me a creators the Creator witchso Stan's is I consider it like in urbanarts like media platform but what whatdo you what do you call it we call it amovement arts platform movement artsplatform interesting ok yep so thatbasically is saying likeI guess you guys do dance you guys filmtricking you guys do yeah anything yourbody you've in some way can move andthen in artistic format of weather soit's not just dance it's just it'sreally men arts yeah I guess is the bestname for it he kind of made it that waybecause we wanted to just you know notback ourselves in a corner with onetopic yeah yeah okay and so the firsttime I think I saw stance was it was onyour YouTube channel in I don't know ifthat's where you guys started but Ithink that's when I first saw and youguys were posting a lot of footage fromb-boy battles and stuff and now you'vekind of grown to this social mediaplatform and then yeah and then filmingall these other different events and nowit's like I see like literally everylarge dance event you guys are there andit's like I don't watch footage toooften but when I do I immediately go toyoutube type in stance and then look atthat look at what you guys have so Iwould say that you know seems to me likeyou probably have the biggest or atleast the most successful media platformin this space which I'm curious like howthat makes you feel like what thejourney to get there it just seems socrazy it's uh it's a lot of momentumyeah it's a Activ that's I can say it'syou know you start something small andnow it's just you have a lot of momentumand then you know it feels weird likeyou go a couple of days without postanything keeper like so hmm what's goingon yeah yeah and so you just kind ofride that and keep going and goingyeah yeah yeah you know and theneventually get to where you are where Ithink now you're is it your face butlike I don't I think between all yourplatforms you've got like over a millionkind of subscribers or a couple billionsyeah a couple million wow that's greatso I mean that's that's crazy to thinkthat that came from breaking and nowit's to where you are now is just greatbecause you know when I started breakingthis was like events were barely a thingyou won an event and they were likehere's a some gas money and stuff andlike it was the ghettoest shit ever andso to see it now to where you guysthere's a legitimate media company outthere that is traveling the worldfilming all these huge events theirsponsors involved with the events andstuff it's just crazy to see that in mylifetime I was able to see that I meanit's really a short time in a way I meanI've been breaking less than 20 yearsprobably think about 18 19 years so tosee it happen within that span it's likecrazy it feels like we were in the StoneAge compared to to now and so like Idon't know it's just when I when I lookat Stan's it's like it makes me proud asa b-boy to see that we've gone so far toyou know be like a legitimate um I don'tknow what you'd call us but more thanjust some people rolling around on thefloor legitimate movement it's alegitimate movement yeah I mean at leastit's being recognized as that now yeahwe I think all of us always considered alegitimate form but you know yourparents are like rolling on the floorand shit yeah yeah that's our biggest Ithink I think every time we createsomething major or stance or somethingthat we always think about people likeour parents people that don't understandthe dance and we're like okay how can wereach these kind of people yes there'smore of these those kind of people thanthey are dancers oh yeah yeah and sowe're like okay we the more non dancepeople or non people associated with thescene that get addicted to this mmmyou know the more momentum we get yeahyeah and and I do think that that isgonna play a huge part in the the latersuccess of this culture as more peopleget involved with it see it fall in lovewith it and continue to follow it andhopefully participate in it not thatthey have to but I think you'll see youknow right now the participation rate isfrom mostly dancers but I think we'regoing to start seeing participation fromthe like viewers now youno like legitimate fans and stuff like Ikind of compared to like skateboardingor something you know we're you knowyou'll watch it on TV as on like the XGames and you're like dude this stuff iscrazyskateboarding Mme Mme yeah exactly noanything like there's a big boxing fightthis weekend mm-hmm I mean everyone theonline is talking about but who the hellreally boxes uh-huh yeah you know butthey're all fans yeah yeah I mean it'slike yeah a lot of the fans the they'lltake a boxing class or whatever butthey're not like some freaking hardcorein the disguising everybody but it'slike they're talking about anyways yeahit's like it's a casual fan casual notin the sense of that they don't knowwhat's going on in the sport but casualin the sense that they're not in thering punching each other oh I thinkwe're gonna see a lot more of that inBreaking and I do think that you guysare kind of a hinge point of making thathappenmm-hm and I know that there's a fewother creators out there that are alsodoing a similar thing to you guys but Isee you guys that's probably the biggestand also the catalyst to I guess makingwhat they're doing happen as well it'slike I really see you guys as the onesthat paved the way to make it happen Idon't know if you feel that way but Imean I'm a little ice I came from I camefrom the other channel to strife that'sright and that literally did pave theway that's right yes Drive yeah I guessthey yeah but you were involved withthat right and I guess yes like onceonce strife kind of whenever wentwherever it went you kind of took it tothe next level and continued to to pushit to where it is now so I don't knowit's just it's just cool to see that nowmm-hmmchanging topics uh I'm curious how youactually got involved in the hip-hopscene the dancing cuz I know you're fromSouth Dakota which yes like all I canthink of from there is like oil fieldsand like snow is that rightlike I don't see hip-hop is somethingbeing up farms farms yeah there's yeahpretty much there wasn't really muchhip-hop at all yeahbut I got I got into the scene becauseof college okay yeah and you went tocollege out there or no I went tocollege in a university Wisconsin okaythere's probably not a lot of b-boysthere either actually I have a friendwho's going to school in Wisconsin nowhe's in med school and he says there'snot a lot of people so imagine there'sprobably more than South Dakota there'sa lot more than South DakotaI mean Wisco Wisconsin you got thebenefit of you got the Milwaukee sceneyeah that's right you got the Chicagoscene okay they're all within an hour todrive away so you know when I started Igood friends with like motion disordersyeah yeah okay you know Rick heads Rickheadsyou know Chicago tribe Chicago Tribuneyeah yeah yeah so but no college was youknow you see you hear about these likebreaking clubs that they have in collegeand that's how I started you knowthat's tight ya know I have a lot offriends that did the same thing I meanone I went to UC Davis I was alreadybreaking before them but like once I gotthere one of my friends he started heused to do the Warriors games with meactually he started a club and I waskind of just a bum and I was like I'mgonna really be a part of I mean Iwanted to be a part of yeah but I waslike kind of like how about you do thework like come and break but he built ithe built the club up and he did a lot ofstuff with it and like introduced somany people to the dance and I look backand I'm like oh man I wish I could havebeen more involved with that now it'snot been so I guess selfishcuz the back then I was just like oh Idon't care about this I just want tobreak yeah but seeing seeing now thatthere's a lot of guys that started thenand kept goingI mean think is really cool and and andthat I'm seeing that happen more oftennow is like when people are going touniversities they're like beingintroduced to a lot of new things andhip hop is one of them in fact now hiphop is kind of being taught in someuniversities as like a subject yeah likea curriculum yeah there's a yeahI know a couple people that do that Imean even here in LA you gotI think UCLA and UC Riverside canswiftly he teaches okay I didn't knowthat yeah Wowyeah though I know my friend Serge frombeets and pieces he teaches out in themin the Bay Area couple schools I thinkum and then there's another guy who's Ithink in Chicago area who does it yeah Imean it's starting to get a lot bigger Ithink why not does it - yep all ski Paulski okay yeah so yeah it's yeah it justblows my mind to think about like thatlike those guys were there like ones youknow 20 years ago rolling on the groundyeah they're like oh yeah that's coolbut you know it's just rolling on theground but now it's like some stuffgetting taught in university so it's Idon't know it's just cool it's cool tosee that that can change we'redefinitely in a time where yeah I guesship hip hop culture is being more comingmore to the forefront of I don't knowcommunity pop culture I guess is thebest way to say itmm-hmm right before it was such anunderground movement and now it's nowit's a university course if that wasoffered nowadays and I was still inschool I would totally take it yeah Iprobably would do just cuz it's fun tohear the different viewpoints on thisculture because you know like I grew upin in Sacramento you know I know youknow somewhat history of everything butI know it from the point of view inSacramento so go into a universitylearning it from maybe someone who'sfrom New York or whatever in you know inKent Swift's case hearing where he'scoming from it's like hearing all theseperspectives it gives you a betterunderstanding of like what what thisculture really is yeah and I thinkdefinitely people who only know hip-hopmusiccoming into a class like that would gainso much stuff because most of my friendsthat only know hip-hop through musicthey don't know anything about like howhow breaking really helped create thatmusic in a way and I guess they don'tmaybe understand how direct that thatwas you know in terms of like the onlyreason a break really exists is becausea DJ was like oh I want to see thatdancer go off yeah let me replay thispart of the song and then oh let me rapto it okay oh now that's hip-hop musicoh dope that's like that directconnection I don't think a lot of peopleunderstand that and so I'm happy to seethat now there's that's becoming morethe forefront of the hip hop Coleman sohopefully hopefully casual musiclisteners start you know understandingthat too so but anyway so some so fromSouth Dakota to Wisconsin and then nowto LA were you in any place beforebetween there yeah okay so I was so inbetween college and here in LA I've beenin a bunch of places actually uh been inWashington DC okay then in West Africanice piece of court been in Alaska okayI've been to from Alaska up into Koreamm-hmm South Korea that was not NorthKorea no you know you can't not allowedin North Koreabut been to South Korea that was purelyon the fact that I just wanted toexperience the dance culture there okayI got a job just like his win oh youknow that's man that's that's crazy tolike to just go oh man I'm gonna pick upeverything I'm gonna move to Korea andlike you know just for the dance that'stight yeah yeah yeah and then and thennow here and then to Minnesota and thennow here in LA so I've been bebop inquite a bit and so where did Stan's fitin with that or I guess Drive TV andthen Stan's where did that fit in likewhen did that start for you like wherewere you2008 strife startedand that was all because of my collegefriends okay my friends from college atthe university Wisconsin we're like heythey recognize the need right they werelike wheat there's not an officialchannel that provides high qualityfootage yeah we'll do it yeah you knowand they moved here to LA - okay andthey they're the ones to film backgroundso what I was a career at that time andthey're like Dan you're in Korea Koreaseems really big can you get a cameraand film for us oh and I'm like sorrylet me let's do this Wow so you kind oflike fell into the film world right solike they just said here's like you knowgo get a camera and you have did beforethen have you ever thought that youwould be doing any kind of filming Ohwhat No uh sort of I am prior to beingin Korea I was in Africa and Alaska andum I you know I had a camera and I keptI did like blogs mm-hmm I had a head ofthis thing called a live journal wayback then okay um and by you saying uhyeah basically just showing people mylife yeah in other countries and it wasfun so I was thinking you know what it'sjust be like that in video form okayyeah I but I didn't go to video schoolor anything I my first Kim was a flipphone those like flip cameras in Koreaand that's where all the Korean strifefootage was car you serious I kid younotthat's funny oh man I remember going toa jam back when uhlike cell phones just started havingcameras and they were like you can't butya know dude that's crazy they'refilming I mean yeah that's that's reallylike the beginnings of YouTube I thinkall the footage on there was like2008-2009 around that time yeah it waslike flip yeah yeah that's yeah but itwas like those big Korean events thatyou never see yeah yeah yeah he had thegamblers you had the gene shows you hadthe ti peas you know like old schoolrivers old school like everyone wantedto watch that stuff yeahthat yeah that was me and so you werethe you were the pioneer of putting aKorean footage out I guess I mean Iguess there's a couple other guys thatwere doing it but that's I guess in theYouTube era that was you Lee you huh sointeresting so then from strife it whendid Stan's come about so ideally wewanted strife to go to where Stan's wasokay but all the rest of my friends justkind of lost interest in filming okaythey yeah they they either moved or theyjust didn't find interest in breaking oryou know they had other interests yeahyou know and so I was the only one andso that's when I created Stan's mainlybecause you know if you know just forbusiness purposes you wanted to be anactual owner I wasn't an actual owner ofstrife I guess just helping out at thattime yes okay so you're just you're anemployee of strife and then you you knowI guess you had the vision to create itto to where you took to where stancesnow and so you said okay well I need todo this if you guys aren't gonna help medo itexactly then build stance up owner andnow you have like a couple guys with youright it sucks starting from scratchagain with like zero views and yeah zeropeople it'll come but it came and uh youknow you still keep your real lifeconnections you still keep you you knowyou're friends with this event organizerwith your friends with all these otherb-boys and then definitely like when westarted Stan's a lot of people that werefilmed with me that I recruited tostrife came along okay you know sothat's why we had mad tech out in thebay he came along to Anderson out in LAhe had my friends out in the UK okay andthen I had another friends in Korea sowe covered a great portion of the worldscene yeah without you know mephysically have to travel there yeah butyou still travel a lot I switch outquite a bit yeah yeah but you got yougot a good team that's we have a goodteam like you know a good standingyeah good understanding yetthis this whole vision alive and runningand so like I guess how do you see itexpanding do you see it expanding moreto like getting more employees going tomore countries um I've been alwayscautious on expanding mainly becauseit's hard to keep quality control mm-hmmyou know you have you need to have thesame vision and then at the same timeyou need to have like a certain type ofteamwork involved that's you know ifthis whole stance fill thing wasn't funin the first place I wouldn't be doingit yeah yeah you know the less so it hasstill has to be fun for us yeah for sureyeah right and so yeah we do we doexpand we were trying to I think I thinkat the at this moment we're pretty goodfilming events around the world I thinkwhat we are working on next are justquality stories that you might not hearhmm within not only dance but otherdancer interests yeah yeah yeah and thenas well as other areaChandra's that we have a big interest insuch as tricking tricking yeah yeah Ithink the tricking is the next big thenext big thing yeah okay yeah um it'slike with all these new countries comingin I imagine it gets hard to reallyjuggle that and so yeah it seems likeexpanding your company to cover all thisstuff is like probably on the forefrontof like making stance successful and Iguess yeah training your team to youknow keep that same quality and then Iguess like figuring out what works withthese new things like tricking and stuffbecause I imagine the way you film andcover a b-boy event is probably not howyou cover a tricking event maybe there'ssome crossover but like there's youdefinitely gotta like get involved withthe scene to really understand likewhat's okay what's not and and then likejust go full in and then and thenunderstand that I guess maybe it's notsuch a big test but I'm just imaginingme if I was a videographer which I'm notI'm terrible at this kind of thing butlike I would I would I guess I wouldknow breaking because I'm a b-boy and Ican like know okay I don't want to jumpin the middle of the circle and likegetting this dudes away but liketricking I think I would just freakin goto the back of the room cuz I ain'ttrying to get kicked you know what Imean so it's like but I'm sure thatthat's not the best way to get footageso it's like figuring out where you gota stand-in like you know what's notgonna mess them up when they're doingtheir thing I feel like that's probablycore to like what you guys need to dofor that there's a lot of crossover it'spretty goodmainly because though uh you know whenwe decided stands to be a movement artspage it's because we looked at ourselvesand were like well we like dance whatelse do you like to do I like to go to agymnastics gym and mess around and jumparound okaylet's add that in what else do you liketo do this person likes to skateboardokay let's add I did what I'll see youknow when we think and so everyone haslike a different interest really drawupon different influences and likewiselike people trickers and gymnasts theylike to watch dance tooyeah yeah so you're like okay okay thisthere's so much crossover between allthese different things I mean like forone thing I think like music productionand stuff I think it actually crossesover with dance a lot more than peoplethink it does like I've started gettinginto music production a lot no I knowTech has too and it's just like I thinkas dancers we understand music a lot andso producing music becomes a lot easierthan I think someone who came in coldand I would think that I would think thecrossover between a producer coming intodance would probably be the same I meanbecause they obviously understand musicto a very high degree they might notknow how to move their body quite thesame way but that's just a matter oftraining a little bit to figure it outjust same same thingwith a b-boy trying a dancer trying tolearn music production it's like you gotto learn some of the music theory andeverything but like once you understandthe tools it's kind of just like getyourself into like a creative flow stateand just let it gocorrect that's like how that's how I'vealways been I mean IIIi was a painter along time ago and um and that's like howI would always paint is all just kind oflike get into the mode of painting mymom my mom is an artist so she kind oftaught me how to do this and then once Icame into dancing it was like the samekind of thing once I learned like a fewfundamental moves it was just like youget into this creative flow state andit's just like the same thing really butyou're just using different tools in away so yeah um I don't know I I imaginethere's that that's the same thing withlike filmmaking too like that you kindof you guys get some kind of creativeyou get into some creative groove andthen it just turns into like hours andhours and hours of you like making thisa really cool project or somethingthat's totally editing that's basicallywhat I've been doing for the entire weekediting pretty much yeah yeah I I'veedited a few videos in my life and theysuck a lot but it's yeah it feels thesame way that's the way to get betteryou suck a bunch and then you keep onsucking and yeah yeah just keep doing ityeah yeahthere's some good quotes on that but Ican't remember but yeah basically yeahit's the best way to stop sucking I lookat my old videos I'm like what was Ithinking yeah but that was a good ideaso I'll take that little bit I look atthe pot the old podcasts I've I recordedI'm like what the hell was I thinkingbut my god it's getting me to where Iwant to be then you're thinking likepeople really watched what I did dudeactually I haven't even posted a singleone because I keep looking back andgoing oh manlike I'm starting to figure out how todo podcasting a lot better and I've beenfiguring out like how to film better tooand so like now I'm looking at it likeoh I don't want to release these oldones cuz like I straight-up just didn'tgive it I like would walk in I mean likeI had good equipment but yeah I wouldcome in Ididn't have like a studio I mean I stilldon't really have a studio they justhave a freaking blank wall with somestuff on it but like I straight up wouldjust bring my equipment to like afriend's house they wouldn't haveanywhere to put it so we would likerecord on the floor and so it was ghettoas hell but I'm just like oh you knowwhat that brought us and it's not likethe conversation wasn't good I think itwas good it's just like if you don't seeany video you're like okay this was coolmaybe it was done in a real studio butyou see the footage in like all thesesitting on the freaking carpet so butyeah I don't know yeah humble roots Iguess is the best way to call it mm-hmmand I guess you guys have your own yourown humble roots as well so where do yousee yourself going next I mean like youobviously have a vision of where stanceis going but like what other hobbies areyou into and like how does that involvewith like the rest of your life and likewhere do you see that taking you I meanI see you have a league of Legends likeKeith I you know I I love eSports yup Ilove eSports obviously League of Legendsis huge yeah overwatch is huge you knowit's a it's a big scene yeah um andthere's actually crossover betweeneSports and like a movement arts - yeahbig I mean it's I mean competitive sceneI would think that there's like a lot ofcrossover in terms of like manydifferent they how people are reactingto each other some merchants hold on soeSports um I don't know a lot abouteSports but it's like it's reallyintrigued me to see where it is becauseit's kind of like I kind of look at itit's like breaking in a way because likeagain when I started playing video gameslike Super Smash Brothers when I waslike in middle school or whatever I waslike oh cool we're just gonna go over tomy friends house and just play orwhatever and now it's like there'slegitimate competitions for legitimatemoneyit's like broadcaston the internet and has started aroundthe same time it started around the sametime so it's like the scenes are kind ofgrowing I think it's really it comesdown to this digital age I think is it'sit's allowing everything to get aroundto more people but it's just so cool tosee all these new communities of youknow competitive sports competitivewhatever out there and and you knowsomething that I never would havethought would happen or I like I justdon't know anything about seeing it ifyou look at our stance produce livestreams with the commentators and mm-hmmthe way they talk to people and stufflike that it comes from eSports oh yeahI kid you not it's um I look at Leagueof Legends I look at Street Fighterlivestreams I'm like I want that settlewell I want that's it I like how they'reengaging with the audience I you knowthen that and that's where totally ourinfluences come interested you know theylook like they have a somewhat similarbudget to us that's interesting you knowthe ugly bar I I'm influenced by eSportsa lot and then you know I'm alsointerested in you know other things likeyou look at other influences of eSportshow many dance emojis there are ineSports no no like for tonighteveryone's in everyone's doing this fortonight moves rightI actually I have a theory that like thekids now that are learning to break youknow that are young like elementaryschool age are gonna start doingFortnight moves in as actual breakingmoves I think that's they already youknow yeah they probably already do theyalready do that I filmed the battle toit I filmed the battle two years ago andthis guy just flipped up in the air andjust laying on his side and then did hislittle floss move or something yeah it'slike okay it was it was fun it was funto see yeah but they already do and youknow it's uh if it gets them hooked tothe scene then yeah yeah it's yeah Ithink it's a good thing to see thatstuff I mean there's a lot of likebreaking purists and stuff that go likeoh it's not it's decreasing the rawnessof it but I think that those are justlike old people thatsalty or whatever I think seeing well myperspective is that the if you thinkthat that's gonna degrade its rawness Ithink you weren't raw in the first placeI think that you're you're you're justyou're trying to crap on someone else'sparade this this person sees somethingand now they're invested into the sceneI think that's a good thingand period really like I can't see areason why that would be a bad thingthat some what some new people are beingintroduced into the dance every everygeneration basically every decade thator so there's there's always like dancerelated media out there or names relatedtrends that that may seem cheesy at thebeginning yeah but it gets young kidsinterested yeah you know I've seen theirstories of like really high competitivedancers that started with you got servedoh yeah and like that movie if youreally saw at me and that was supercheesy it was a cheese dude but theystarted and now they are at the top oftheir scene right now and they arefucking wrong yeah yeah beat Street isthe cheesiest movie ever you know that'sa hot take but battle me Beach Street isso cheesy it's a dope movie sure butit's cheesy as hell breaking is breakingand breaking to electric Boogaloo arealso two of the worst movies everI mean cheesy in terms of were worsethan cheesy movies even Flashdance dudethat was probably the first timebreaking was on like a big screen thatmovie's cheesy as hell it was a catalystand got people to catalyst yup yes so Imean yeah I don't know I think it's um Ithink it's it's great to see that and Iguess with the with the oncomingOlympics in 2024 which is in Paris Ibelieve yeah now you're gonna see it onanother stage to a whole new audience Ithink we're gonna also see a huge influxof new b-boys as well there already isbecause Olympics yeah and from the theJunior Olympics right from the Juneit's like I try traveling around the USAjust the USA itselfa lot of my friends as dance studioshave had influx of students that justwant to learn yeah you know so manylittle kids are enrolling in their dancestudios and it's great yeah I think it'sgreat too and and that's just the USAyou know Japan is another monster Russiais another monster China especially Imean you're just getting kids enrollingeverywhere yeah and these little kidscan fly and yeah you can fly I didn'teven break when he you know he's like Ididn't start breaking the laws maybelike 14 you got these 10 year olds thatare like flying and stuff so I'm likedang dudewhat is breaking gonna be like when theyare my age I'm 32 I mean maybe maybetheir bodies just gonna be broken butlike if they're 10 years old and can dolike twice as much as I can do dang dudeI don't know I don't know what to saybut they're gonna be crazy yes yes so Ithink that's exciting to see thatso I guess once the Olympics rollsaround in 2024 we're gonna see some veryhigh-level stuff there and I get youknow what I'm curious about actuallywith the Olympics and I don't know ifyou would be the person to know thissince because you are like a it on theadvisory board or whatever right and soI'm curious like how they how they planto actually do this is it like gonna bebattles as like were used to in thebreaking communities they're gonna bemore like a showcase kind of thing likelike a show or something I know they'redoing what like a 1 one-on-one kind ofsituation and then I guess I'm curiousabout like how it's being judged and Idon't know maybe maybe yeah so thecatalyst of the Olympics is WDS F worlddance sport Federation mm-hmmthey're the main dance sport you knoworganizational group around the worldand they like oversee all the dancingthere so like salsa and correct yeahyeahand luckily they've organ they did theYouth Olympics two years ago yeah lastyear they did two other events the WD SFchampionship in China and then you hadthe world urban games on Budapest sookay it's and you there's already videosonline of those events okay we wecovered a couple of them and it's it'sjust it's really just and they have ajudging system they have you know justlike any normal dance event that youhave like the judges that we're used toyou have the competitors that we wereused to hmm things like that yeah theDJs and the music that we're used to soit really isn't any different it isn'tany different than other breaking eventsthat we have seen okay I guess the onlything that only difference is thatthere's so for me I feel there's a lotof rounds it's okaylike oh my gosh it was like the ready mogroup stage and then you have a tough 16to 8 and your people those dancers weretired those dancers are tired so werethey doing like five round battles everytime or something or it was like it waslike two three round battles every timestarting from group stages I actuallymissed that because when I first startedbreaking that's how it was it was likeyou would go a crap ton of rounds andyour rounds wouldn't be like as long asthey are now and so yeah I mean I thinkbattles were just longer I don't knowand then now it's like you see one roundbattles which to me feels kind of weirdI don't know it kind of works I guesswith what we're doing now but it's itstill feels weird to me but I don't knowthat I think that's cool that they'redoing more rounds but it definitely putsyou to the test I can imagine you gottabe an athlete you have that stamina yeahyou gotta be a gold medal athlete to getthat gold medal yeah yeah but I meanyeah I guess that comes with theterritoryyeah but no the organisationally yourall the stuff that you see is onlinealready Youth Olympics in 2022 gonna bein Dakar Senegal that would be anotherwarm-up for the Olympics in 24 but Ithinkyeah having Paris be the forefront ofthis is gonna be greatyeah cuz that's the first time I don'twill be a part of it right yep and it'llbe most likely you'll be they haven'tdecided yet already but it's most likelygonna be one-on-ones okay just keep itsimpleactually I know I know we want to seecrew battles but yeah the first time Ifeel it's too much we got is just startwith one on ones firstyeah yeah yeah what what do you likemore as a sidenotecrew battles are won on well Holly Ilove crew battles do you know I'vealways loved crew battles and anotherhot take is like I freakin love watchingroutines and know there's something likepurist b-boys that are like routine suckand stuff but like I don't know I'vealways loved routines I'm the crew Iused to be a part of his flexible Flavoh you guys had great routines yeah dudewe like we're kind of on the I don'tknow innovators I guess of the routinegame and so like I don't know I'vealways loved doing routines and stuffand just watching new stuff coming solike you know I was inflexible Flavuntil 2020 no it's 20 2007 I think iswhen I stopped 2008 maybe 2009 I don'tknow I don't know one of those dates butlike before then it was like we werealways making these routines and like wewould see another crew like starting todo the same thing once we stopped oronce I got out of the crew then youstarted seeing more crews like jinjo andstuff coming out at that point I thinkrivers and gamblers were already likehuge on the routine game and so it's Idon't know a top 9 huge in the routinegame so I don't know I missed that cuzyou don't see it so much anymore I thinkeverybody used to cut mad cuz all thosecrews are winning every I love crewbattles because like like Saints likesame example your crew you had when yourcrew memberswell associate chram it was dizzy rightoh yeah he was he was not really flexplay but he was like he would enter alot of battles he understood the theFlex Flay battleyeah ala D which is like you're notgoing you're you you it's like there's acertain way to winyeah yeah right and whether it isthrough teamwork or whether it's it'snot the hardest move it's just how youdo it yeah and that's what and that'swhat made like crew battles so more muchmore intriguing you have someone do acrazy move and the other team willrespond with something totally differentyeah hmm what the routines what I alwaysliked about routines was that it wasanother element to control the battleyeah like with one-on-onesyour arsenal is kind of your limitationto controlling the battle like you seethis guy attack you in a certain way youcan do a lot of things to to respondright but like with a routine you canalmost like bulldoze them a little bitbecause they throw something at you evenif they threw a routine at you then youturn around and eat and you can goalright here's this crazy trick boomhere's another crazy trick here's thisreally cool choreography set and nowboom flip over BAM there's a dude andhe's just gonna like do what a normalb-boy would do in like go off andrespond to everything that you threw athim it's it's just kind of like extraicing on the cake Joe to say that youknow we we're controlling this battlenow you know and so that's why some ofthe greatest battles in in history Ithink have always been like crew battleswhere you see something like you'll seeone crew really controlling it then allof a sudden boom it's like the tidetotally shifts and I feel like a lot ofb-boys maybe felt that routines werelike hacks in a way it gets to refer tolike eSports like they're using hacksnow because it's like it's so effectiveto like to draw another crew into yourinto your own into your strategy to winif they can't respond with routines welland usually crews can't it's like oh noI'm gonna lose now you know you got tothrow some really crazy thing you got tohave pocket take every freaking roundafter that - like really respond oh soit's like I don't know I definitelythink they they felt like it was hacksbut but you can tell bad routines youcan yeah there's definitelyyou can beat bad routines with a goodsoul around yeah sure but it's hard tobe a really good routine with a solo andI think that just goes to show you thatlike that's how powerful a good routinereally is and so I think to embrace itand say okay I'm gonna use this as partof my strategy is is is something that Ithink the whole community was ontosomething when it was really sparkingoff and then when there was this bigsurge in people like not liking and Ithink it kind of killed it a little bitso but I'm seeing it happen more so I'mexcited to see maybe like some crewbattles in the future with maybe even inthe Olympics yeah I like watching crewbattles this year you can this you'regonna have five and five freestylesession okay cool pseudo crew battleyeah I went my personal favorite eventto film is battle year okay I lovewatching battle year do you like it cuzof the shows uh the shows are cool Ilike seeing my favorite shows actuallyare seeing countries that don't get achance to be on stage oh yeah like soyou get to see the Senegal's you get tosee like Madagascar you can oh yeah yeahlike country said alright normally onthe stage see it those are beautiful funand then I like to see you knowsometimes I like to see the battleswhere you have a country that you didn'tthink of make it you know last year lastyear Venezuela came all like Venezuelaya know when two years ago was likeThailand uh-huh you know like that thoseare funny yeah whenever I see stuff likethat I'm like dude they got breakingover there and I mean like that's kindof an ignorant thing to say butespecially because my brother Vincesanity he's he teaches he has all hisYouTube videos yeah and he he alwaysshows me like where his videos are beingwatched in a lot of them are like inthese crazy third-world countries I'venever heard of you know and so but thenseeing them come to like the stage ofbattle of the year and you're like ohthese guys are like really good - yeahcrazy soI don't know what I guess what in battleI don't really haven't really seen a lotof battle of the year recently but dothey still do those shows the showyup cases okay cuz I always thought thatthat was such an interesting way to likeweed out crews - you're like top fourthey probably do like top eight they dotop six now 600 that word the first twocrews no I'm gonna buy Ohgonna buy and then you have fourwildcard interesting so then the wildcarves battle and then they link up withthe first first place in second placecrews tie okay that's that's crazy yeahthat's because yeah I used to be justtop four yeah and you know they came allthat wayyeah and what do you want to see morebattle yeah no there was a there's astory I think of like cuz the US wasbanned for a long time for comingbecause I think one of the crews I'm notgonna say who was but they came andapparently like destroyed like a hotelroom because they didn't make it to thebattles and thought that they shouldhave and so then they were like you knowu.s. is banned and then I think it tooklike good five years or something to letthe u.s. back in so not that not thatthey should have done that or anythinglike that's definitely a bad way to actbut you know now you know having moreability to make it at us top categoriesI think it's like nice because becausereally like breaking has expanded somuch you're gonna have so many peopleending I mean on all these bigcompetitions I'm always seeing like fourhundred people entering or something andit's like geez man that's crazy I'm usedto like 10 people and 20 people enteringor whatever you know it's just more moreinterest more more people interested inyou know yeah and you haven't gonecheyna yet yeah you've got full days 13hours of prelims Wowthat's I mean that's insane yeah I meanyeah I guess yeah I guess that's anothertopic by itself I went to ibe and theyhad a whole day of likeprelims I remember and it took a longfreakin time it wasn't 13 hours but feellike it was like five or six hours orsomething like that just like kind of inthe same it's like a jam in itself youknow yeah kind of like you gotta winthis Jam out of like fifty people andyou know they have like a bunch ofdifferent groups of that you gotta winthat and then you're going against allthese other people that won their groupof fifty the next day or whatever that'sthat's insane so but but it's anexciting time I think for breaking forsure going back to the Olympics I hadanother question about it because likeso you're saying that Olympics is youknow for the most parts as far as youcan see it's very similar to the eventsthat we are used to but I'm also I'mcurious about like the rules that theyhave in terms of like who canparticipate because I know there's likeyou know in others in other Olympicsports there's a lot of stuff likedoping in the event in drugs and stuffand like I don't know not to put the thebreaking scene under the bus but there'sa lot of people that use drugs and soI'm like I feel like the OlympicCommittee would probably be like youknow what I I don't know I'm not reallyfamiliar with drug testing I don't knowmuch about it but I would assume there'ssome kind of requirement I mean luckilythe Olympic start this year 2020 andsimilar sports such as skateboardingwill be there for the first time is itreally yup skateboarding Oh surfing soeverything - yep so just keep your eyesopen that's if you see what happens yeahI mean you can't say that people thatskateboard don't do drugs yeah I meanit's prominent in I imagine every cloudyin sport but yes sir us snowboardinglike oh sure you know so just keep youreyes open see what happens and yeahbasically like skateboarding is greatbecause you you you you take a look atwhat its gonna happen at the Olympicsyeah and you're like okay similarlythat'swhat will happen to breaking in 2024mm-hmm in terms of you know media andyeah coverage and things like that yeahI I guess I'm I'm a little bit scaredbecause like I know that the breakingscene kind of needs to be on its bestbehavior a little bit when that comesaround or else you know the Olympicscould just be like ah these guys are toohard to work with so you know I know itand the way the reason I'm bringing thisup is cuz like I know like the stuffthat happened with like you deaf and howSteve Graham decided to just kind ofcome cancel the whole thing really andthat was really kind of a decision Imean it was a personal decision for himbut a lot of it came from he was gettingso much backlash from the community andstuffiness like I don't want to dealwith this anymoreyeah and unfortunately he you know hadto just terminate the the whole set ofevents and and I guess really hisbusiness so I I don't want that tohappen when the Olympics comes downbecause I think that that'll be just ahuge punch to the face of the wholecommunity because there's so many Iwould say like 95% of the communitywants to see this once I see thecommunity grow wants to see more peopleinvolved want to see fans want to seejust I guess it in the Olympics it'slike an accomplishment to the scene tosee that happen but then the small 5% ofpeople that are like I'm too raw forthis could easily ruin it for everybodyand so I and that's why I'm I was askingthe question about drug test cuz it'syou know I want everybody to to have theright information going into it ifthey're thinking about competing in itjust be aware that maybe that is gonnabe something that's involved with it'sokay if you're a drug addict get cleandude not just for the Olympics but foryour own health but so but yeah I thinkbeing the scene being on his bestbehavior I think will be the best way toreally like prove that we are worth itbecause I think showing showing theOlympics not that we need to like proveanything but I do think that firstimpressions matter a lot and this isgonna be one of the first impressions Imean I guess we saw it with the JuniorOlympics but I imagine you know thesekids you know they have their parents tolike stop acting up yeah but we're gonnahave a lot of adults that I feel I feelwe're pretty good on a big stage I meanyeah I think so too you take a look atbig stage events like BC ones there yeaheveryone's on their best behavioryeah you know every I've just heard alot more chatter about the Olympics cuzthere's just a lot of like people goingoh it's run by you know whatever salsadance whatever and like I don't knowwhat you're talking about but you knowit seems to me like it's gonna be likeany other event just you know now it'sgot the backing of a big organizationand it's on a bigger it's on thisdifferent stage I guess yeah but it'sit's business as usualI would imagine same kind of music samekind of judges same kind of thingeverything you would expect justdifferent audience Madrid you know or amixture of the new audience and theexisting audience so I don't know it'sexciting and a little scary I think Idon't know I mean I'm I might just be 2or being worried for no reason but butlike I said just take a look at snowskateboarding this year yeah andthere'll be something similar yeah ok Iguess skateboarding has been on a largestage for such a long time I mean withthe X Games and stuff so I think a lotof people I mean in a way skateboardingis probably 20 to 30 years ahead of thein the pop culture aspect as breakingbecause it's been on that stage sincemaybe like the 90s or like maybe mid 80sor something and at that point breakingwas barely even knew a thing at thatpoint so but anyways yeah I don't knowmaybe I'm just rammedbut it it's something that that worriesme a little bit about it and I guessalso judging because um eivol eivol wayshad a thing about judging because itthis is like a art form and in a waythere's a lot of opinion that isinvolved with a judge's decision of whowins and I've always been curious howthat would play out on a larger stage orlike you know when an organization suchas the Olympics is backing an event ifthey're coming in and going like ok wellhow do you guys judge this and they gooh you know we point to the guy wethought we want and then they go oh wellwhy and then you go give me like somequantitative curriculum or give me someyet quantitative reason for why they wonit's really hard to do that I think Imean you can we can say okay it's on apoint system we're giving you thisamount of points for this type of moveor this you know this particularcategory but I think when it startsbreaking down like what you're judgingon it kind of falls apart to whereyou're just going like I like what thatdude did over what that dude is so it itbothers me a little bit cuz I think ifyou know the Olympics starts like reallydigging into what that is like what howthey would react to that I don't know ifmaybe there's other sports Olympicsports that are judged in a similar wayI mean if you're skating figure skatingI was thinking like because you're apurely numbers opinion-based sometimesyeah I know but with with figure skatinga lot of times as they say okay here'sour routine that we're doing and then wehave these big moves at this point thispoint this point so they know what towatch for and then ultimately they'regrading them on how they land that thosemoves and so they have a point system onthat and then they'll give them anotherscore on like their creative creativityand like all the dancing and stuff thatwas involved with that I think thatcomes into that score so there's like asmall part of it that's on that kind ofsubjective scale and I guess that worksI guess it's also kind of with floorroutines forfor Olympia Olympia gymnasts it's kindof the same thing but I was trying tosee how that relates to braking and itwas hard for me to figure that outbecause it's not like you're going up tothese judges and saying hey I'm gonnahit every flare flare windmill 90 andthey're like okay I'll watch for thatyou do it dude and then you're gonna geta creative score for like whatever otherthing you're gonna do but I mean a lotof it is how you're responding tosomebody right and in a way I think it'smore like combat sports because you dosomething to me and I'm gonna react toit in a way right and then I dosomething to you and you're gonna reactto it away so to me it seems like somekind of merge between those two thingsand I just don't I don't know judginghas always been kind of like on my mindabout how you know because I thinkthat's probably one of the other hingepoints in making taking breaking fromwhere it is now to the like you know NBAlevel sport or something MMA level sportI think the way we've always judged jamsand events now has always worked and wehaven't really questioned it too muchbut I think when it moves into you knowbigger space where there's like actualcasual audience they're gonna go likehow do I know how do I judge this myselfyou know what I mean in like with youknow like UFC fighting casual fans dounderstand that you know because theythere's there's a lot of just criteriathat is spelled out on how to make thatyou know how to how to I guess get yourwin right and breaking I don't thinkthere is that like because I justimagine if I showed a battle to my momwho knows barely anything about breakingI mean she knows something but I don'tthink she could judge a battle but if Isaid who wins and it was like close Idon't know if she could probably figurethat out you know because there's notreally a quantitative way to do that andalso I think there's an argument to bemade that it there doesn't need to be aon a tative way because this is again anart form and I do think that when ajudge says I like that's what this guydid and his around more than that Ithink that's actually a legitimate wayof judging because again it's likejudging a painting two paintings thatare completely different from each otheryou might be like I like thebrushstrokes in that and that shit lookslike crap to me you know that's why Ilike that one more and then someone elsecould be like oh I like you know thecolors in this and not that one that's alegitimate point of view too so I don'tknow the the merger between those Ithink is is something that's always beenin my mind of them like we're breakingis gonna be in I don't know if thereever will be a solution to that and I Idon't imagine you you have a solution toit either partly judging so complex it'svery common I'm just happy I'm justdoing video yeah yeah yeah there'severyone has a different judging formatand a judging system definitely yeah soso yeah I just figured that maybe theOlympics was gonna be more of like akind of strict on like what they'redoing well I mean they use the systemthat originated from renegade and stormand okay so I mean like I said look atthe Youth Olympics okay that judgingsystem will be familiar with thatthey're still in play it there's a lotit's a lot of numbers it's a sliderbased system oh I'll have to look intothat YUMyou said that was from renegade andstorm renegade storm there's a coupleother people that involved with I wouldsay neke from rugged 's okay would behelping out but if you look in the YouthOlympics if you look at the WDS Fchampionship from last year in Chinathey all use it so it's still I mean Iwould assume buy-in within four years orso when 2024 they would have a more firmyeah and there's a big handbook to it toa big hand but everyone has to bebriefed I wouldn't hit a handbook I kindof want to read it it is online actuallyokay yeah yeahokay cool um yeah I'll have to look intothat yeah cuz that that's that'ssomething that I've been like reallytalking to so many people about and it'sit's kind of something that you know weall are kind of like stuck on and Iimagine everybody's stuck on it but likeat least seeing you know where we're atnow maybe building on that cuz I knowdizzi has his systemyeowch I think is a good start my issuewith his system was always that like andfor people who don't know it's there'slike five categories and you have onejudge for each of those categories Ithink that's like a pretty good startit's my problem was always that you kindof have this one you know monarch ofthat particular thing that particularcategory but ultimately I think everyall five of those judges probably havesomething good to say about thatcategory so i i imagine maybe that's howStormin and renegade system maybefactors more into like every judges maybe judging on each of those categoriesright okay yeah cuz I think that thatwould probably be a little bit fairerway of doing it or at least like more ofa mud majora majority rule type of wayof doing itthis this I had this one idea a longtime ago and it was to just have like 20judges and hear me out cuz I know itsounds crazy how do you afford 20 judgesI don't know you can't afford it I don'tknow I don't know yeah but cuz breakingkind of started as like you know acombat between two dancers in a circlewith a crowd and usually you were tryingto like burn the other guy in front ofthis crowd to you know get a responsefrom the crowd so in a way the crowd isalready the judge from the verybeginning of whatbreaking was so it kind of makes sense alot in now that we're in this more youknow well-defined Creek competitiveworldthat maybe it makes sense to just have acrowd of judges right twenty peoplestanding around the circle or whateverand they are judging as if they were acrowd member but instead of it justbeing like your mom and you know yourgrandma or whatever to around in thecircle it's like storm and you knowrenegade or whoever all these other youknow well-versed dancers and peoplewho've been in the scene for a long timeknowledgeable people in that crowd so Idon't know that was just a weird ideahouse throwing out and then kind of likeyou're just saying okay well themajority of these people said this guywon okay maybe that's the way to do itthen you know at least it at least likegets rid of the argument a little bitwhere they go oh yeah this was onlythree panel judge and those two judgesdon't like me or something you know Idon't know but that's always bothered mewhen people say that like I think you'rejust complaining but well anyways Ithink we've been going for about an hourI want to probably close the show out soin closing like do you have any otherhobbies outside of hip hop in you knowhow does that like kind of go into yourlife and you know I mean like like likeI said already I love eSports you lovethese sports yeah I a lot of my hobbiesI draw is I you can I draw you knowinsight into what I do so I take alittle bit of what I see in eSports andthrow into stance coverages I travel alot travel a lot I make a lot of travelvideos you know apart from working youknow with dances stuff like that I dofreelance travel videos mm-hmmI work with hotels I work with travelcompanies tourism bureaus yeah and wecreate you know commercials like thatyeah and so a lot of times for example Ijust got back from Mexico okay and I wasthere to cover an event for a week andthen I stayed in nextweek just to travel around and filmtravel videos okay that's that's awesomeso you know things like that I I drawinterest in yeah yeah I heard you'realso filming umaces wedding yes I doI do the occasional wedding when I firstmoved to LA I I filmed a lot of weddingsand so yes I I do weddings and Iactually learned how to do weddings froma b-boy from the bay by the name Natronoh yeah nature own yeah nature does alot of wood he had a business with acouple other guys from his cousin giardiis that were his brother Jordie I don'tthink it's his cousin but when I startedfilming weddings for the first time outI went to I I messaged me Tron's likehey show me one of your wedding videosand I'm gonna copy this exactly becauseI have no idea what wedding videos arereally this is weddings videos are goodand and you know what in terms filmingweddings have helped me film breakingevents tooyeah because it made me understand likewhen to anticipate moments oh yeahcertain important moments whetherthey're doing something or they'retalking something oh yeah or somethingis about to happen that you can you cananticipate it yeah it's like you got yougotta read the whole room and know likewhat's about to happencorrect you gotta be in the spot whereyou're like I guess you're invisible inthe sense that you're not ruining themoment but you're also in the best spotto capture it yes yeah imagine there's athere's an art form to Perth exactlysaid it just right yeah so it has helpedme so just filming so many types ofvariety of things help me in filming youknow stanceyeah well tight dude yeah well great Ithink that was that was dope I I thinkthat was a learned a lot from from youand like what you're all aboutthank you that's been great do you haveany last minute shoutouts while I closethis show out Thank You Kurt for havingme onyes yeah thank you for coming dude Ireally appreciate ityeah trying to get this podcast out verysoon so I'll let you know when I do thatyes and then you know it'd be great tohave you on again I'm trying to maybefigure out a way to get like multiplepeople in a podcast yeah we have so manyof I mean more than more than happy tocover on a variety of topics yeah youknow um I know I know later in April I'mgoing to an event in Toronto and I'mgiving I'm giving a little mini workshopthere on social media ya know like howto get views how to what are what'swhat's exactly the algorithm way or howyou you know quote unquote things likethat you know like the motored chef he'sa good friend of mine he's like Dan Iwant you to give you a talk and havepeople have an insight on how to createa brain and how to do this let's do it Ineed to go to that cuz I don't know crapabout social media like I actually justfrickin don't use social media yeah likenow that I'm starting this podcast I'mlike oh I guess I gotta learn how to dothat my brother's pretty good at itJoe I can learn some stuff from him butI could definitely use the help on thatcoz I'll be hitting you up well thankyou uh for for joining me today andthank you guys for listening sorry thisjust sucks[Music][Music]you[Music] 

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show[Music]in this episode I talk with a b-boy whohas significant experience in both theEuropean and American breaking scenesthis guy really puts me on game aboutlife as a dancer in Europe in the early90s I had a great time learning abouthis history and picking his brain aboutvarious topics please enjoy the episodewith ill jazz or Elyas of the Roughneckshello everybody welcome to the disastershow that I just fucked up Dana pressrecord so here we are hopefully I cansalvage something from what we recordedwith my boy ill jazzhe's from Switzerland we are talkingabout break dancing and you know how Idon't know how to record podcast so okhow long have you been dancing oh I so Istarted dancing with my younger brotherhe's one and a half year younger than meand we started in 9899 okay and it was agood time I'm happy we started still inthe nineties yeah and before that weplayed soccer we did inline skating likehalfpipe and everything and then we tieand then one day we we saw like the RunDMC it's like that music you know andthat was like dope and shit you know butwhen when to use scented they have ahalfpipe and we went with the inlineskates yeah and then we look insidethere was a zombie voice you knowunderneath no it was a halfpipe andthere was a building right next to it ohand there were windows and I looked inthe windows and then I want I needed togo to the bathroom I go inside and I seesomebody doing 90 oh I didn't know what90 is you know and that was a shit Iwant to learn that you know and thensince then we threw out the inlineskates and we started breaking and sohow old were you I was 15 15 that'sprobably about when I startto us and 14 or 15 em and I had noflexibility because of Socratic likeXena almost like I was pretty flexiblewhen I started because I did Taekwondofor a long time and so we would you knowyou'd have to kick really high and stuffso I was kind of flexible from that butI used to skateboard actually um so Iknew about half pipes and stuff I had alot of friends that did inline skatingand so we would go to those lots ofskate parks and I wish I had beenbraking at that time cuz I totally wouldhave done windmills on it because it wasjust so smooth yeah I didn't break Iquit I kind of quit skating to breakyeah because it was waiting let's I justfelt like skating was so dangerousno it's I saw so many people just falland break the wrists my cousin broke hiswrist actually but I had another friendwho broke his ankle and they were doinglike you know shitty tricks yeah youknow kickflip and they like mob and it'slike if you did a windmill and brokeyour arm like you know what I mean it'sjust the generic you know beginner tricksort of like the sport and you justbreak you know I I started with skatingfirst actually yeah and then I went tothe mini ramp and I went there theskateboard stayed thereoh do back oh yeah I tried I triedinline skating I picked it up prettyeasily actually but I just never was toointo it um I was just more intoskateboarding yeah but I had somefriends they would like you know jump upand grind on stairs they showed me howto do that so I learned kind of some todo that stuff man like 10 years after Ihaven't done anything on the inlineskates mm-hmm I stand on the halfpipe Icouldn't go down it's scary yeah I waslike man how did I do that yeahyou know what I mean yeah no shit we'renot yeah when I was in she wouldn't Iwas skating I think I started when I wasprobably like 11 and I went tillprobably 15 or 16 maybe and yeah I usedto go on half pipes and stuff and now Ilook at him like holy yeah and it wouldgo off like stairs and stuff and go ontorails and I'm like what the heck how didI even do this I mean I wasn't reallygood at it or anything but I just I feellike I was maybe less fearless yeahyeah now yeah yeah back then we just didit man yeah I remember when I started alittle bit braking and still a littlebit in Nice skatinghey they have like this ramp going downand then this little island yeah I flewyou know I started breaking I had somuch energy and different I flew overthat thing and I landed like two metersaway from it you know and that was likeshit whatever I gotta do I just roll thereally coin drop and then you know whatbraking has saved my life a couple timesgood yeah there was times when I wentsnowboarding and you just you're goingso fast down a hill and you just hitlike something and you just eat shit andI'm like you know I probably should havebeen wearing a helmet but I wasn't andit's just like woop and then for somereason it kicks in I'm like oh I knowhow to like land and I'll do a coin dropor something in like you know so my headdoesn't get hit and you know I kind ofrollers or whatever to roll out and thenI stand up and people are like I gotsomething from cats yeah cuz I mean in away braking is just like falling butshowing off at the same time sort ofsmooth so it's like you got you you gotgood at jumping on the ground yeahbut fun fact is when we started breakingwe thought it's a sport oh you did yeahlike so we yeah before we startedbreaking with inline skates we welistened we discovered to puck and weknew that hip-hop and Cypress Hill yeahyou know to pass episode exhibit NWA alittle bit you know so all that madetheir way to but I thought this iship-hop yeah yeah in the nineties men welistened all the golden era yeah and wethought that's hip-hop but we didn'tknow aboutwe knew graffitis somehow mixed withhip-hop you know DJs they have therappers have a DJ you know but we didn'tknow breaking is part of hip-hop youknow but when we started we learn allthe four elements and yeah knowledge theculture and everything you know yeahyeah but first we we did it because welike this sport yeah yeah yeah I meanit's it's definitely cool and I firstsaw I mean I I don't know when I firstsaw I think I first saw it when I usedto watch pro wrestling and there was agroup - cool and the one guy his specialmove was he would just throw you on theground and then he would just dancearound you and then do the worm she allthe way across the ring and then justwhoo and like elbow using the base I wasin probably in middle school I wasprobably maybe 12 years old when I firstsaw that so I thought breakdancing waswrestling that's crazy but so yeah butmaybe because we stop breaking in onlymusic videos you know back then you knowand it was all kinds of music it wasn'tonly like hip-hop music yes like housemusic dance music you know techno youwere always saw a b-boy somewhere youknow yeah so we didn't connect it withhip-hop yeah I think in the 90s that waswhen house music started really likecolliding a lot with with hip-hop yeahyeah yeahbut yes so I'm interested in like howhip-hop looks in Europe compared to herecuz just like I've seen hip-hop as Igrew up here and I imagine it's waydifferent in Europe because like herehip-hop was always associated with likegangs and like you know people mischiefcausers he's done you know I mean I meanI don't know there is two ways ofhip-hop like people that are passive andthere are people that are active youknow they like back in the 90s hip-hopin Europe was like you're not hip-hop ifyou're not in an element you know if youbeatbox you okay you when it's not likereally official apart or of hip-hop butyou're still hip-hop you know okay butif you break or beatbox or MC or DJ orgraffiti you you part of hip-hop andthen there is other people they justfriends and they hang out with and theydress a pup listen hip up and whateverbut they're not active you know okaythat's how you us okay I guess it's kindof like that now yeah yeah I know butmore back in the day it was like yougotta be super down like b-boy was yourlife you know you you lived that lifeyeah we used to go like to Germany youknow like 16 I told our parents thatwe're gonna go to a friend we're gonnapractice and then stay over there but wewent like 500 that's the way you know wetrain and we go to a different city toJohnny go to hm next day practice andthen come back yeah you know it wasn'tgood timing yeah like when we went firsttime bad luck year 19 2000 or 2001 wetrain it was like five six hours away wetrain and then you go to the Battle ofyear cipher everything and eventeverything and then you go the event isover after party is over and then youhave to wait for the Train the firsttrain that starts going back home yousee like a hundred of b-boys at thetrain station just inside for practicechilling some people sleeping in thecorner starting practicing andexchanging you know people like peoplesfrom France Germany Holland SwitzerlandItaly you know you connect you knowexchange and practice that's cool and itwasn't backed and it wasn't like reallya cypher and or calling out somebody butit was more of a circlesomebody practiced something you knowand you go there and exchange and hey dothis like this or ain't look try likethat look I do something similar youknow so was it like a pretty friendlyscene in Europe in terms of like becausebecause what I'm used to is like I'vecome from Sacramento in you know we justget all jump in a car and we'd go to theother city to do a jam or something andeverybody calls us out because it's likehey you're in our neighborhood and wewould just get battled so that's niceman it's like it was almost I mean itwas definitely less friendly now it's alot more friendly I can come you knowlike me moving to LA if I had done thatwhen I first started breaking I probablywould have got battled for like a solidyou know three or four months and peoplewere like okay I think this guy's coolyou know cuz dude the first time I thinkI went to a practice in Sacramento likeI was in high school and like we justshow up and they're like who are thesethere's me and my brother that we justshow up and they're like who are thesetwo kids and we like couldn't even do doanything really like my brother could doin vert and like I think I don't knowwhat I could do like a head slide andfreeze or something and that's like ouronly moves I guess we seriously we'rebreaking for maybe like six months andit's like the whole like room is apsycho fuck these comments we on thetitle you know and then I think you knowafter you battle a couple times thenthey realize okaytrying to cause harm or like because thething was that everyone was scared thatyou're gonna like bite their moves stealtheir yeah so it was like you knowthey're automatically sort of hostile toyou but imagine you guys would havestopped dancing because of that you knowyeah what's up it wouldn't ya know Imean yeah there was a lot of reasons tostop I mean for sure but it but it's itwas all the way it makes you strongeryou know to not give up and you stay onit you know motivate you maybe you knowI just yeah it was just I had to learnwhat the scene was like you know whatwhat was acceptable in the scene and gowith that you know like well I think Iremember I told this in another podcastbut I remember we brought this thisshitty camera because me and my brotherused to we used to make a lot of homevideos we used to make like skits wewere really into MADtv do you rememberMADtv it's like Saturday Night Live'sokay so we used to make all these stupidskits and stuff so we had our parentsgot us this like really crappy videocamera so we can make all these stupidskits just for fun and then we broughtit to go practice cuz we were just gonnafilm ourselves and stuff and then peopleare like what are you doing with thiscase you get beat up for like bringing acamera to practice and stuff because youknow because they automatically thinkyou're filming these guys to take theirmoves on amou say yeah we learned realquick don't bring the camera therewe brought the camera yeah very early inour training you know to see what theydo wrong because we were the youngesttoo and there were all the generationyou might know buzzer City attack ohthat's the older generation they battledrock four screw in the 90syeah so control so Cujo and there wasthe older generation and we look up tothem and but we didn't get like help youknow so oh we got this ourself you knowhe was looking me and I was looking himand then we see the older generation andwhat what's the difference between himand you you knowyeah that's how we learn you know thenbring the camera and see what we dowrong yeah that's how we stop we werethe youngest and our first battle wasalso about a six month in her making inthe first round we won against all theguys yeah keep going you know you'regood we're goodthat next round we battle younger guysthe nose and the smoker so yeah thenyeah and then it's like man we need topractice was a good wake-up call andthen we from then on we startedpracticing every day you know some dayseight hours yeah our parents didn'tbelieve that we we practice eight hoursthey thought we're doing somethingcriminal you know yeah exactlywe would do kind of the same thing canyou practice eight hours yeah but it'sjust like you get totally immersed intothat that world and you just wanna youhave a focus to get better I thinkeventually my parents realize we're notdoing anything bad yeah like and theysaw us getting better at it so it's likeoh they're obviously like practicingthis so yeah like all right whatever andwe we also stole my parents camera youknow you didn't have their camera andthey used it only for a special whenfamily came to visit us you know so wejust took it and then practice and thensometimes they would see the tape youknow we just buy a new tape put it inand then record yeah take the tape outso they see but we were like crazyaddicted to practice man yeah not evenjust battling just practice you know tolearn the move to yeah you know we werethere first and we left there the lastyou know people were coming and goingand we're still there yeah yeah yeah Imean I was the same way just alwayspracticing always practicing definitelythat's like my favorite part notbreaking for sure is just like gettinggetting down playing like your favoritemusic and just practicing coming up withsome new movies training some new stufftraining old stuff you know it's that'sthat I feel like that's where the realcreativity comes in when you're outbattling whenperforming and stuff it's just kind ofshowing off you do what you know yeahyou're just I think if you practicedwell and then it's the performance inthe battle is gonna go it's gonna gowell because you did you did thehomework but the the real work is reallywhen you're practicing and trying tofigure no you know how I prepares forbattlesI never prepared full set oh no like Inever practiced full sets in practiceyeah because then if I'm gonna just dothe same solar what I did in practiceit's gonna be boring it's not gonna havethat fire feeling whatever you know so Ialways put like practice only half setokay yeah and then practice I do onlyhave sets and then I maybe just add somepower moves just to so I have thecondition the cardio but in the battle Iwould mix my small set together you knowlike I put three sets in one yeah sothen you know so it's always new it'salways fresh and you can alwaysimprovise it freestyle it and yeah youknow depends of the music moment andeverything you know I used to make fullsets and it just got really boring to meto do that so what I started doinginstead is practicing those full setsand then when I go to battleI just don't think about them I justtotally try to just focus on you knowthe battle focus on the music focus onmy opponent and just let it happen and Iyou know I practice a lot of freestylingtoo so it's like I know that thematerial I have this you know the set ofmoves I put together I know that it'sgood and if I don't do it perfectly Iknow how to freestyle out of it and soon it gives me confidence to just go outthere and basically with a clear mindand just let it happen and I think thatthat's a way better way of breaking yesbefore I would go out and go okay I needa pre-plan everything and it distancesyou from everything from the moment fromthe music from the battle DJand it's just I don't think that's agood way to do it yeah I but I wasalways trying to figure out a good wayto mix you know because there's a lot ofcreativity in the combinations that youput together that you pre-plan I alwayswanted to be able to still showcase thatbut I don't want it to look sodisjointed yeah and so the yeah the waythat I figured out how to do that is tojust make some sets and be content withnot doing that and by practicing them somany times and then you just kind offorget itit just kind of happens or like piece ofmemory and yeah it's almost exactly it'slike I mean like with martial arts a lotof times you'll train like a combinationlike a kick punch combination you knowhit hit to the body hit to the head orwhatever and you train that so manytimes going you actually are fightingyou might not do the full combinationyou'll do like one two part of it youmight do it twice in a row you mightlink this combination to that one justbecause you see the opportunities andyou you have to improvise you improviseto make it happen and so I I took a lotfrom thatyeah very good yeah and so since I'vestarted doing that I feel like it'shelped me a lot but then for example Iwanted to say some bash beam for examplethat meets in German for example when westarted performing like performancesshows right it's a much easier than forus right so because then we prepare asolo for the show to the music you knowso you can be much more confidence in aperformance yeah yeah yeah because weare if you think about it in a battleyou are in so many uncomfortable yesinaudible but somehow you practice to becomfortable you know and in aperformance you're fully comfortable youknow yeah so you can shine much easier Ihope if you go like to a quarry yourworld people struggle and are nervousyou know yeah I never understood in thebeginning why are you guys nervous manwe've been practicing this I don't knowhow long yeahyou know I think it's just because thereyou're in front of a bunch of people youdon't know and you're like you knowyou're out in front of everybody andjust doing what you want to do andthere's a little bit of fear that theymight not like what you're doing but youjust gotta go man who caresyou really care yeah you have to do yourthing with you just got it you cannotchange it anymore you know what yeah init and really at the end of the day ifthat whole crowd says you suck like doyou really care yeah yeah it probablystings a little bit but then you go likemen I don't give a fuck about these yeahthat's the best thing when you dosomething you love you know yes I'mbetter because what other people thinkyou know what I mean yeah I I take thesame approach with like judges too youknow like when you're actually battlingand the judges vote against you or votefor you really like really I look at itas they're just they're they're a crowdmember and they're just saying you thattheir opinion of you was either you wantor you lost but I I really think that ifyou enjoy what you did then youshouldn't really worry too much aboutthat I mean you could obviously like tolisten to what they have to say becausethey might have some insight intosomething you maybe didn't know aboutyour own dancing um and that's alwaysgood to do but at the end of the day ifyou enjoy what you do I don't think youshould let anything holding me hold youback so like the way the way I alwaysput it was like if my mom was a judgeand she was like you suck I'd probablybe like okay maybe I gotta practice welllike if some random dude that I don'teven know it's like oh I thought youlost and I honestly thought I won I'd belike okay well whatever you don'tyeah it's mean was totally different inthe beginning you know I when I wasyoung I was getting mad when I left thejudges men you have no idea and but thatcomes with maturity you know if you loseand you take it easyyeah but yeah yeah I would get mad tooeventually you get to the point whereit's like win or lose it doesn't reallymatter that much like cuz again it'sjust three people three or five peopleyou know judging on this thing and theyjust said you want are you lostI mean I'm one battle is that I thoughtI lost and I was like I want I rememberI there's a couple of them where I waslike dude I walked to the judges I waslike dude you got this wrong and I gavemy prize money to the other guy cuz Iwas like dude I didn't win and I'm notjust cuz these dudes say that I wantthat's correct I'm not gonna keep themoney because I thought you you knowthis dude one or this crew one so I justgave it to them there I've done thatlike a couple times that I can think ofprobably two or three times it's crazyman but it's just cuz you know I don'tbreak to like make to get money oranything it's like I just want I justwant to do it and I like battling butthe competition part of it I don'treally care that much about it it's it'sfun to win but I don't like I don't likewinning when I don't think I'm that'scrazy man that you gave money you know Inever heard that beforeI mean I know people and I used to beone of those yes I needed to win moneyto pay rent and yeah you know what Imean so because I didn't do performancesie back in the days I battles was moreimportant to me than performances youknow K so and I needed to win thatbattle too yeah you know to pay somestuff up and then years later I judgedcompetition and in the final I judge andagainst one guy and he told man yeah youknow it came to me like what okay Iunderstand but man I need the money manI need to pay bills and there was I saidman I was to say like you you can neverrely on winning palace to pay yourperson I thinkyeah I I I mean there was times when Iwas I could be I could have been in thatsituation but I was like what I need todo is actually cook his job so I got ajob instead of like I mean there'd betimes where I I needed some quick moneyor something and so we would go and dosome street shows and stuff so that wasgood to kind of and that's always beenmy back-up plan in a way if like youknow the world blew up or something andI don't have any moneyI'd go do a street show I know that I'dsurvive for at least one day yeah cuz Icould do I could at least do somewindmills and someone might give me alike but ya know I was always like okayI need to just go get a job to actuallypay ya there's been times when I neededto win again but I I really hated theidea of like needing to win - yeah andand well and also - I was always scaredof the idea that you know I might bewinning and don't deserve the win and soI was it always made me feel like crapto even think of that situation in thismoment I with the time I learned tounderstand that you know it's in soccerfor example you take the ball and put itin the net that's a goal that's a pointyeah but in art it's hard to to give apoint here or here you know it's anopinion if those charges think you wantyou know it's it's their opinion evenyou did maybe just a baby freeze and theguy did the baby freeze - 90 baby freezeyou know and they liked your form bitbetter maybe you know yeah so it's it'shard to judge art you know it's veryhard so that's my yeah that thatactually is a good segue to a question Ihave because now breaking is becomingkind of more of a mainstream sporteventually getting into the Olympics yousee like big sponsored events andstuff and my fear is that we are doingthis but don't have a solid way ofjudging it because it is an art and youknow I think the way that we've alwaysjudged it makes sense for the smallcommunity that we have as b-boys butlike when it comes to the mainstreamstage where there's like lots of moneylots of sponsors involved if you thinkabout white yea H and you know comparingit to you know soccer for instance orlike basketball or any kind of sportthat's on a huge main main stage that Idon't think the judging system we haveright now is is gonna cut it becausewhat's gonna happen is a sponsor isgonna look at it and be like ok why didthis guy win over that guy and you go ohbecause these three judges said so okaywell what exactly made them say that youknow he's got you know 50 years in thegame and he thought that his backspinwas better than this guy's windmill andthen the sponsors gonna be like no thatdoesn't make any senseI'm out look for me it's how I comparedhow I compared breaking to mix martialarts right you remember mixed martialarts in the beginning yeah nineties itwas like a karate guy versus of wrestleryeah jujitsu guy was kickboxer you knowthere was like we had Shawn versus likeyeah and that is a Wild West that'sbreaking I would say most of the timethat's that's it right because there isall right now but it's been four yearsthat you have a guy that does more likefoundation style or a guy that does moreblow up style or a Power Move guy or mixguy you know but a complete mixedmartial artist is somebody that can dolike kickboxing wrestling jujitsu takeone toe karate whatever you know andthat should be with be born into menlike if you want to be an Olympicchampion you cannot justroll around and do Foundation and thefries and that's it you cannot beOlympic champion with only that you haveto have all the elements you know inbreaking and you have to put it on alevel you know so everybody understandsotherwise it's gonna be like you saidyou know people will not understand ityou know yeah I think with mixed martialarts it's a good example of this becauseyeah back in the day it was just thesestyles versus each other and eventuallyit evolved people were seeing thatcertain styles were just dominatingevery everything and so then it evolvedto where now the fighter isn't just thisone style he takes a little piece ofthis other style and it makes thembetter but and so like eventually yousaw everybody now doing that same thingall taking out different pieces of it sonow you see guys that I mean basicallyand I'm not like a an authority on thisor anything but like in general likeusually a good fighter would have somegood striking some good grappling andsome good crown stuff and so and thatwould make them somewhat effectiveagainst anybody and that's what that'sthe type that's a style that flew to youknow to the to the top of it mixedmartial arts in I mean Zee right let'stake Conor McGregor right he's astand-up guyyeah southpaw very effective yeah but hehad to learn takedown defense grapplingyou know he had to learn because youguys would do that yeah you know he'sgot to but now or maybe the last coupleyearsthere is people like young people theycome up with the full game they don'tstart they don't come from karate orfrom rest oh yeah they come and traineverything right away there is MMA gymsand like from 2:00 to 3:00 it'swrestling from 5:00 to 6:00 iskickboxing from 7:00 to 8:00 is MuayThai and then jujitsu from 9:00 to 10:00you know and they train all at the sametime so it's a complete fighter thatshould be with be going man yeah seelike a standard that would be a standardwith mixed martial artsI see how it makes sensedo it because it's the most effectiveway of fighting and like having thisbroad range of ability to combat againstall these different things it makessense for fighting but like withbreaking I think there's an argument tobe made that you're not you're notnecessarily you know the the the full Iguess how do you say maybe like fullpackage of b-boy one who has like everysingle Power Move every single likefootwork move every single whatever Ithink there's an argument to be madethat somebody who maybe doesn't do thatbut has a strong certain part of youknow one of those styles and can beeffective against them because there's alot of creativity and artistry thatcomes in with it and that's what you'rereally being that that's what you'rethat's that's the main way of I guesswinning a battle I guess is what I'msaying like cuz in fighting you getpunched in the face and you get knockedout or you get yes submitted you lose sothe best way to get to that is to beable to defend against it and go andattack that way right but in breakingthere's not like there's not a there'snot like a I guess a relation tofighting in that way because you don'tnecessarily need to do a specific powermove or whatever to win a battle orwhatever yeah I mean we don't have to do5-1 and our flare so yeah and 90s youknow but at least have some basic powermoves you know because that part ofbreaking you know if people say if youdon't do food work you know the b-boyhey if you don't do windmill backspinhead spin thank you another b-boy - yeahthey were here before cc's you know whatI mean but I know what you mean withlike artistry and just own style youknow and everythingMaina for example yeah you know so yeahyeah like Meno for instance he's does alot of like footwork and flowy type ofminutes not a lot of powernot a lot of top rods not a lot of Imean that's kind of really the onlystudy he doesn't do a lot of freezeseither and then compared to let me picksomebody someone who's missing one finalhuh let's bc one final did you see thatwho was in kazakhstan guy Ohk2 lost something khailayes yeah yeah that guy is really goodyou know you know I could see how it wasclose I think actually men will probablythought he lost too and that's why Icalled him out four more rounds um Imean I thought it was pretty close if Iwas a judge I probably would have votedKilla koyla me to it you know I'm notjudging because I personally justthought that he he had brought more tothe table and had unique style hesuppresses doing was a lot of uniquefreezes and stuff and he came out everywrong with some new stuff easily youknow yeah he's a pretty well-roundedb-boy but I would say he still airs onyou know more of like a thread type ofstyle and um like a freeze type of styleI'm trying to think of a b-boy thatwould be like very very well-rounded andthat's it like um he's better soon hehas power I think which flips yes theless food work yeah okay so let's gowith him yeah so him versus menace sosomeone who's well rounded versussomeone who's very specialized I couldsee how it could go either way with thatto those and that's also one round hedepends what round but you know let'slet's say they both throw their likedopest around though rightyou know Meno does some crazy likeloop-d-loopspin around thing one mean the flowingwaves yeah and it's a really dope roundin their little zoo duck comes outdoesn't flip does power moves us somefreezes does some footwork hits a solidroundI think there's an argument to be madethat either one of them would have wonyou know it's awesome depends on themusic but I think this was mixed martialarts he probably would have been like ohthe new well-rounded guy would win youknow but you know such distancesometimes in MMA you know and thenjudges take it yeah decided wrong but Iguess I guess if you in mixed martialarts if you had a guy who's very good atmultiple styles versus one guy who'smaybe just good at let's say kickboxingyeah you know I mean this is a hard topredict example or anything but I wouldsay you probably would put your money onthe guy who's more well-rounded justbecause he can like attack from multipleanglesright and he could get this got theother guy into a situation that that guycannot defend in whereas the other guyis banking on being able to like keephim in his in his world where he's thebest right whereas in breaking I feellike the guy who's very specialized hecan still like blow you up the samething that the gut the guy who is verywell-rounded can still blow you up andso the the moves are just as effectivein a way you know what I mean and thestrategy is a little bit differentbecause this guy doesn't need to keepyou in his pocket anymore he just needsto perform and kill it right and thisguy needs to do basically the same thingkeep it in his pocket and do what he'sgood at you know visually better yeahthat's been important but yeah what'sgonna make it look visually better isthe music you know the music I thinkthat's breaking what plays a big factorthat's the biggest compared to MMA ohyeah yeah really breaking is hard toobut compared to any I think it's theclosest thing sports wise to comparebreaking with MMA I would say a decisionyou cannot compare with soccer orfootball there's not really a goodthere's a sport I can think of thateveryone compares to the things that Ithink make the most senseis somewhere between mixed martial artsand skateboarding or like something likethat there's a sports 3 the reason I saylike sporting because in a lot of thathas to do with like they'll they'll makeup a trick knee and go like this is whatI'm gonna do it's like yeah it's it'sjust like making up your own breakingyeah you know but then skateboardingkind of it doesn't quite match upbecause then you see okayhe's he says oh I'm gonna do thistricking and they judge you on how wellyou hit that trick but in breakingyou're not telling any judge what you'regonna do you're gonna surprise them andprobably surprise them with the movethat they've never seen beforeyeah and so you have this surprisefactor too so it's really hard to youknow nowadays I I miss the exchangesometimes in battles you know yeah yeahback in the days when I talked to stormyou know they they would do like andthat's how I grew up you know mm-hmm Iconsider him the only master linebreaking it I never took his class orsomething but I took his locking classyeah but I I learned from him just bylistening you know okay andconversations with him yeah I justremember him you do like a six-step youcan go like no you try like Big Brotherand T you can learn so much and I canlisten for days to him you know yeahwhen he talks III don't talk man I justlisten and then I ask something you knowbut how I grew up with bounces exchangeyou know for example he tells me like hehas somebody do flare windmill babyfreeze and then he goes footwork andthen ends it nice you know I have to gothere and I have to do flare windowflare windmill turtle and then go in afreeze and then go up and you know whatI did better and then he has to come andbring it never that's how we yeah youknow a burden that's like exchange youknow ace yeahyeah on the podcast like a couple weeksago a couple of months ago actually umhe and he told me a story about when hehe doesn't call it battle but I wouldsay it probably was a battle between himand storm mm-hmm when storm was visitingand I guess they just went they you knowbattle like 30-something rounds orwhatever and it was like that they werejust exchanging like they would just oneup each other each time and it wasn'tlike they weren't you know you knowtalking smack to each other it was theywere respecting each other and he wouldbe like oh that was dope let me show youthat I can do now did it do to do andhe'd go oh that's cool too and then thisis how I would do that boom and so theyjust went back and forth for 30 roundsit may seem I mean that's that's crazybut it's also like back then it was likepractice you know yeah each other youexchange and you know but when youbattle inside for like ladies generationyeah and when the people start talkingwhen they're unsecured and then they seethat they're losing I have to talk tohim that so he messes up and you knowwhat I I hear that I made this rule withshit-talking is I'm not gonna sayanything unless they say it but if theydo talk I'm gonna say the wildest thingso that they feel terrible and sobecause like I don't know I've alwaysbeen good at like talking shit to peoplebecause I just I have a lot of friendsthat we would do that to in battles it'sit's you know I always try to be veryrespectful but as soon as somebody sayssomething I'm like okay I got I can makeand I usually don't make fun of theirbreaking I usually just make I don'tlike that part of breaking I think Ithink it's I think it's kind of it'sit's taking the focus off of yourdancing and putting it more on your likemind games which I don't you know I meanI guess this in a way that's kind of howgreat how battling is but I don't know Iand I don't like I don't think it's trueand I to to what it should beyeah but like I said if somebody's gonnatake a shot at me I'm like well I'm 32 Igot I got nothing better to do let mejust talk yeah of course maybe you haveto defend yourself yeah but man my bestmemory of call outs is I had a crewmember back in 2003 yeah thing aroundTroy Kehoe was his name and somebodycalled him out you know because he wastalking smack and he said yeah come onokay now you you know give me 10 minutes[Laughter]because he was flexible he didn't wantto get the injury you know he needed towarm up and then what yeah man give me10 mins how did he call you is he likeno no another guy called my friend outyou know my friend said give me tenminutes and then he he lost one time helost a battle and then he calls out boomyou know their friend you know it's funto get called up as long as like it'snot it's not fun when there's like beefsomeone's trying to like cause sometrouble I think that gets kind of crazybecause in but you usually just turnsinto a fight which I really don't likein breaking there's like there's reallyno room for violencethat's why you break right yeah so wedon't touch each other there's been alot of times where there's likedefinitely my old crew flexible Flav wewould get into some crazy battles cuzyou know some crew would be beefing withus and so then we'd get into a newget crazy crazy cut everything escalatedand people with ok crew it start pushingeach other and then it's like you knowas soon as that happens it's like ohthis is gonna turn into a ok crew bellsyes we got many colors in crew bad okand we are like my crew and me we arelike produce most of them don't danceregularly ok but we still like brothersyou know yeah but back then we crewbelts we belt like almost a lot of crewsalmost many crews here yeah we go tofriends would bail like whoever is onthe opposite side you know we go to yesAmerica or Germany whatever whoever isacross us and they do something that wedo better we go inside and show way yeahyeah and then it starts so so actuallythis is something that probably gotdeleted from because we didn't recordbut you were talking about we first cameto America in 2007 for freestyle sessionin 10 with my whole crew yeah and westayed the machete hostel on HollywoodBoulevardeverybody talks about yeah it's funnycuz like outside of Hollywood people areprobably like oh Hollywood's is greatdude it's like freaking bums pooping onthe streets and stuff it's all bad crazyHollywood yeah but yeah there's a lot ofshit was crazy em and to come herefreestyle session we grew up with thosetapes yeah yeah and so then once youwere here it was probably a big likeculture shock huh yeah that was thefirst time you came to America secondtime I came first time was 2003 in SanDiego okay it was like there is like aheap of community company called cultureshock yeah you know if you know and thatwas in the soup Switzerland cultureshock oh and we came to San Diego toperform at the culture of showcase ohthat's cool okay then back then I bailedactually I bailed rainin yeah raininganda long time yeah he's in Vegas Vegas andall Cutshaw peoples of San Diego and myfriend that was a b-boy he didn't findthe way to the circle you know so I wasthere aloneand I bet like three four B voice oh youknow but I did like my thing you know Idid like already elbow one and a halfand I need some car plates you knowbecause men in Europe I never starteddancing like on the street you know wehad a nice youth center we had nice woodfloor yeah you know so I came to shitcarpet oh man no it's been no 90s yeahthat was the first time it was a goodexperience and then second time my wecame with my crew 2007 please let's Ishouldn't ten when did you decide tolive herewe came in 2010-11 new year when it wasvery cold in Switzerland we came to LAit was nice weather so my brother me wecame here to to practice and see how isthe industry because we take alsohip-hop classes also hip-hop and we sawhow how it is they industry you know andwe see b-boys here and they poke chopmovies and commercials and stuff likeman we can do some good stuff here youknow we decided to move here okay I wantto move here since a long time but 2014was the time to move yeah make yourbrother 2015 I don't know if I felt himit was like a seven to smoke in that fitExpo in convention center yeah that'sright he did surprising he doesn'treally battle that often so yeah we washaving fun man I like to start becauseIII I could see like yeah yeah he'shaving fun you know it's not like tryingto kill that other guy in a bell youknowyeahthat's good like when there is a bigdifference if you have a funny style butthere is I I always watch the skills youknow if you have a funny character or aserious character you watch how itmatches with the level of the skills youknow yeah and I said she has a level ofskills and he is having fun you know hedoesn't take it too serious you know hedoesn't need to take it too serious towin around you know so that's why I likeit and I remember him like his style islike kind of goofy and then him as aperson he's like more like serious and Ithink that my style as a breaker is moreserious and my personality is probablymore goofy than him swiss-styleI always ask people can you tell that meand him our brothers buy our styleno it's yeah I think if you look closeenough you can tell because we do a lotof the same moves it's just he doesn'twe do them differently from and but weyou know we learned from the same peoplewe you know practice like every daytogetherso it's weird how our Styles divergedlike that but I don't know yes moreflexible right he's he's more flexiblethan me and I think I'm more like flowythan him yeah and so and then I probablydo more power moves than him he doesmore freezes than me but that's maybethe main differences I mean my brothermy brother does everything more than me[Laughter]yeah so I guess in terms of like breakbreaking for you now are you still intocompeting or you just I haven't battledin many years okay yeah I belt I thinkmaybe once or twice since I moved toAmerica oh reallyyeah because I didn't move for battlingyeah yeah you know for the industry andeven my like last serious bad that weyou know with my crew and everything wasleft year 2011 yeah because I had like acrazy surgery I tore my biceps andtriceps ligament oh yeah I miss my armsyou know and that was a thing how do youdo a thousand 90s on that arm a lot ofphysical therapy and yeah but in it wasactually in June it's gonna be ten yearsago that I thought I'm gonna stopdancing yeah I'm gonna work a regularjob and that's it for me I lived a goodlife and I enjoyed my hobby for manyyears and that's it that's why I enjoynow what I don't have to practice setsor you know that I don't prepare forsocial I just have fun you know yeah youknow I don't mind doing competitionsonce in a while because it keeps itkeeps me like I don't know I guess itkeeps your both sides of the brainworking yeah yeah but for the most partI just break to like you know relievestress and it's like a meditation for meyou know cuz training yeah it make itmake it forces me to stretch my mycreative brain you know so like when Igo to a practice a lot of times I'm justI try to go into my own world and justmake up whatever I can and it's hardit's hard to think about all the likeyou know whatever stuff is going on inyour life when you're so focused on justyeah cuz you can't really dance well ifthere's something else on your mind youknow and a lot of times you feel like Idance better when there is somethingthat was on my mind because it's like itmay it makes me try harder to like focuson the music and everything you try toget that out of yeah excited you bygetting this out of you focus here yeahand then verse writer yeah well in a lotof times it's because you go like Igotta focus on this and if I don't I'mgonna think of something crappy oh Idon't wanna think about that let me justdo thisit's like kind of a nicely practice yesbefore I started talking to you and youalways practice for yourself and do yaknow yeah I think in I yeah and a lot oftimes I just focus on that and then youknow if someone wants to talk to me orwhatever I'll talk about like most ofthe time I don't really go too far outof my way to like talk to people I meancuz I used to just practice alone Iwasn't living in Sacramento and inOakland I would just go to the gym andpractice by myself like maybe once ortwice a week I'd go practice with someother people but most of the time I'djust be by myself where do you get themotivation from to practice by yourselfI think it's just I like creating stuffokay and so you can practice like hardstuff just to create I mean I'llpractice hard stuff sometimes but yeahit'll be it'll be a lot of timesit lets me I don't have any otherdistractions anymore so it's like I cango okay I really want to get this moveso I can practice you know what I needto do and then I can like adjust my handposition or whatever when I'm with abunch of people there's always like it'smore playful to me where there's like alittle bit of I need to perform I needto you know react to what they're doingtoo so it's it's always it's more of anexchange kind of environment going on bymyself it's just I'm only doing what I'mdoingyou focus on yourself yeah it's I have Ihave a lot of fun doing thatyeah it's probably my favorite part ofbreaking actually my favorite part ispracticing with my crewmen uh-huh yeahbecause like everybody like pushes eachother you know yeah and we don't have toworry about practicing anything soanybody else could practice that orthat's how it goes you know we push eachother you know oh um okay well dudewe've been going for like 56 minutes ohshoot probably wrap this show up there'sa lot I can still talk to youI don't want to go too long probablyyeah well is there anything else youwant to say before we close the showwhere can people find you here oh yeahit's the old one it works pretty wellthough and I got that tooOh yep go for a - it's not there yeah noI I bought this because I told myself Ineed to start filming myself breakingmore yeah because I seriously had likeno footage of myself because I neverreally filmed myself cuz ya know it'sjust I don't it's just not something Inormally do so I bought that to filmmyself in itmaybe you filmed for like a couple weeksand then I just got sick of it and so Idon't I don't really use it and thenwhen I started this show like oh I gotan extra camera now so I have the DJIpocket Pro no pocket and the small DJIfits with the camera and everything okayand I used it a couple times yeahokay it does also have white you andeverything okay but I know minutes Irecord with my phone most of the thingsmy phone doesn't have any space in itbecause I have a ton of music in thereso it's like but you can put an extra SDcard no I have extra I got I'm likereally into music oh you to beat I makeyeah I make music and then I just listento lots of music I guns I love you knowman I seriously can talk that's anotherman I mean for now yeah I like jasmineyou do yeah yeahsince everybody calls me ill jazz inAmerica I know but for me I don't knowman I think I like martial arts I alwaysliked like Jackie Chan Bruce Lee Johnyang and then music wise I always likedStevie Wonder Tupacoh yeah yeah that was like my LL Cool Jyeah you know and thenhe was dope sports-wise and human isMuhammad Ali's Muhammad Ali okay thoseare your influences this is mycombination of what I yeah and butbefore that GodI've always loved Jackie Chan cuz I gotjust mr. past he doesn't give off man Ithink he's gonna be appreciated morewhen he dies oh yeah dude he's alreadyappreciated yeah God that guy but manhis legacy I feel like man needs he samewith Bruce Lee yeah yeah you know uh youknow because Bruce Lee's kind of youknow I think we made mixed martial artsbecause the idea of it kind of it wasalready around but it wasn't mainstreamby any means but he just kind of that'sthat was what he was all about was thisis or the I guess it wasn't called mixedmartial arts at that time but it wasjust like the idea of pulling pieces ofevery martial art that makes you betterthat was he kind of brought it to themainstream yeah but I think Jean VanDamme is the best fine Johnson what'sthat freakin movie kickboxers was itbreaking oh yeah breaking he was likeeach he's like that's his first stepinto Hollywood it was like I mean thatmovie sucks but yeah I never owned it Ithere was a bunch of b-boys I knew backin the day that would say you'd ask himwhat their favorite movie was andthey're like breaking and I was likebreaking and beats me they would saybreak in do you like themlike it's like a parody of hip-hop likeit's so freakin goofy I mean I don'tknow I just wanted to make some moneyman I don't see some producers they sawsome kids seeing something where theycan make money okay throw some moneymoney back yeah it's it I mean all I cansee is I don't wanna hate on it but it'sso over-the-top goofy they're like Ican't get me how many movies are thereof this breaking one day there's onlytwo or to break into electric Boogaloo Ithink that's it there might be a thirdone I don't know I honestly watch themonce and I was like what am I doing withmy life I need I need to go practicewhat am i watching this crap and I grewup with Battle of teir VHS tapesyeah yeah right that that was the stuffI'd rather watch it's not all the year Iwatched one of the old freecell saysyeah yeah when you could only get theVHS tapes it wasn't any YouTube so therewas like a man fuck VHS man I still havea lot of VHS tapes yeah my god all rightso I switch on it okay I got I've got abunch here I think um yeah like Lords ofthe floor I have and they're the oldstyle elements video there used to belike absolutely made b-boys sessionGermany it was kind of like PC one manoh yeah yeah there was like b-boys allover the world one was swamp battlesyeah that was cool but battle of tier 96man it's my first yes yes it's very goodit's still good yeah yeah and I missquad versus Tyson effect I was a swisscrew it's the only time is Swiss crewone rest in peace - nice kid he wasright here yeah he did like that's I dosometimes the head spin with ball andpeace yeah yeah and me and my brothermet him and we were very youngyeah and his crew came to our city totrain with buzzcity attack and he wasthe only guy approachingus you know yeah and he was pushing usand yeah you know like teachers likedhow to do better head spin and you knowmoves just like the only guy talking tous even we were just kids you know yeahand then we from Tenali wow man you arethis guy and you talked to us and wasthere another seamless crew that wasreally popular back then that went tobattle of the year they didn't win but Ithink they got third place or somethingI don't remember yeah scrambling feetscrambling feet yeah yeah yeah that'shis crew yeah that's nice kid with toughkid he joined them too from badLafayette they bailed South Africa Ithink so I should actually go to thefinal and battle flying steps yeah thatwould have been a crazy battle and whenhe came to freestyle sessions Easterbreak yeah instant breaks man is nowhe's like pushing the community in Baselyou know in our city and they put usyoung kids and like a community centerwith dance you know can yeah it's it'sthere's good things you know okay wellyeah peace well before we do that isthere what's your like Instagram orwhere can people like talk my so Grammyselect my name yes I change a Instagramand anywhere else you want to give anyshoutouts shout-out to my crewRoughnecks and shout out all my friendsthat know me andall right thank you guys Robinson sorrythis show sucks and I don't know how topress the record but it's red it'srecording I know at least I got thatright the second timeall right let's everybody eight[Music][Music]you[Music] 

Eric, a bboy and Hip Hop community contributor, sits down to discuss the importance of community and the creation of J.U.I.C.E. Follow @Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoiseListen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoysA broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.----more----[Music]this episode noise of the broke boys isbrought to you by deodorantare you a large hairy purse paradingindividual with no regard for personalhygiene you attend social gatheringswith no self awareness of your ownpersonal body odors perhaps you're adancer that rolls on the ground for funallowing various dirt grime fungi andbacteria to collect on your grotesquebody if this is a constant struggle foryou perhaps it is a good idea to applydeodorant to your body before attendingsocial events such as your 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having me yeahI'm glad you could comewhat I want to ask you because I don'tactually know what juice stands for butI like I just you know show up to youguys as practice and stuff and use yourfloor and everything so can you can youtalk to me a little bit about like whatjuices yeah so juice is an acronym Ialways tell people you know think aboutorange juice and theynever forget so say he's juice hip-hopand they go okay I remember looked thatup yeahbut juice is an acronym stands forjustice by uniting in creative energy soJu I see I'll say one more time it'sjustice by uniting and creative energyby uniting creative energy yeahinteresting okay yeah okay I think thatmakes sense yeah it's like yeah it'slike justice that's tight okay so thenum where are you the one who started itI know you're the president now but wereyou the one who started it or was it agroup collective or like how did thatactually fall into your lap yeah sothere's an interesting history of juicejuice has been around in Los Angelessince 2001 okay our founder she was amentor for incarcerated youth okay so Iwasn't the founder I kind of came inprobably earlier on in the existence ofjuice but still in this early stages butthe history of juice is that you knowwhen our founder was asking incarceratedyouth what could have made a differencein your life oh that was the bigquestion that she'd asked some of theyoung people that had made a mistake intheir life mm-hmm and just reflectingback on you know what could have made adifference they said you know you know Ireally wish I had a place that I can goto just a place that I could feel like Icould belong to yeah place that was safea place that I could feel that I wasaccepted for who I wasa place that did really interestingthings run by and for young people yeahspecifically hip hop arts not thetraditional YMCA or Boys and Girls Clubit's something that was more somethingthat I could relate to yeah and so whenasked that question you know those werethe items that our founder Don she saidyou know what if we had an organizationthat is in these underservedneighborhoodsthat could promote the free opportunityfor young people of any background tocome through to express themselvesthrough the hip-hop arts would not beamazing I mean well you know that couldmake you know life-changing things ifyou know these young people could havehad this opportunity in their life yeahso the history is over the yearsdawn formed a group of dancers to comeout and do festivals and get-togethersand this became a weekly eventeventually we ended up having a practicesession on Thursdays over on Vermont and8th Street in the Pico Union districtyou know specifically a neighborhoodthat had a lot of a lot of crime a lotof young people that you know probablydidn't have a path in their life but waseither in high school dropped out ofhigh school or was in transition betweenbeing a kid and being an adult and nothaving that path yet you know it's bestspecifically you know speaking with alot of the young people at juice theysaid you know I was a place in my lifewhere the streets were calling my nameyou know I just needed the house I needto make money you know I didn't have anoutlet but you know juice was a placethat I at least I can go to so we wereover on 8th in Vermont for a handful ofyears over time we moved to a coupledifferent locations and finally we endedup over at McArthur Parkstill in the same neighborhood at PicoUnion in the West Lake District and youknow we've been there since 2011 mmm2011 we became a 501c3 10:11 we did andwe decided to take that leap of faithand we had a fiscal partner before andsay hey let's let's go big and let'sfigure this thing out you know nothaving you know the specific road map weknew what we want to do we knew we weredoing something right we knew that therewas a need in the community and therewas just this huge following of artistsin the community that that came throughthe organization at one time in theirlives and hey you know what I metyou know my partner or I developed acraft in my in my art form because youknow there was a facilitator there thatjust kind of took me in under his wingor you know it just friendships developfrom here or you know it was the onething I could focus on in my life thatmade me feel like I could live again sowe knew were doing amazing work in thecommunity just you know in our capacityand you know our big thing was you knowlet's build a program that has you knowall the elements of hip-hop you know thethe four elements of em scene DJinggraffiti art and breaking and had thatall under one roof and and be able tohave a hip-hop collective where you knowhey I'm a graph writer but I also wantto learn how to be boy yes or you knowI'm a beat maker but I also you know Ilove I love graffiti art you know acrossyou know or I just I wanna learn how toDJ you know I've always seen these DJ'sout there so you know we were able tocreate an organization where we haddifferent facilitators that had aspecialty in their craft where theprogramming was it was unlike atraditional class or workshop programbut the idea was you know we wanted tocreate an organization that really kepttrue to the hip-hop arts where it wasjust really pure to peer teaching mm-hmmI think that was the key thing is iswhen you're able to work with youngpeople that feel the world is againstyou or just really not sure of places orpeople you know the best way to learnand the best way to develop friendshipsis really through that natural organicpeer-to-peer mentoring and where youknow doesn't matter where you come fromor where I came from you know we allcome from different backgrounds but wesee each other as friends as artists mmmand we're able to mentor each other ondifferent capacities you know it's it'syou know I always talk about you knowJuice is a place where you find peoplefrom all different backgrounds know somehave been educated and you know amazingIvy League schools or have amazingprofessions and some are just haven'teven finished high school but when wecome together it'swe share in this mentor of each otherand no one has seen as better than oneanother but we're all seeing each otheras friends and peers and I don't think Iwould have ever met the unique peoplethat I would have met unless it was forjuice because I just I would have neveryou know I think when we we get older wekind of have our own community andgroups that we connect with and so youknow for me you know my profession myday job you know I work in the city ofCalabasas you know a nicer neighborhoodyeah I work in commercial real estateand I deal with a lot of individualsthat are you know very savvy have beenvery well-off financially and then Itravel to downtown LA or the mid area ofLos Angeles and I and I and I connectwith people my age and older but stillyou know may be of a differentbackground but we connect on thisamazing level where I just I'm able toconnect and just feel a human again andand and live through these arts sothat's kind of the synopsis of juice isjust this community space where artistscome to it's free so anybody can kind ofcome through and find their own thingthere I've seen individuals that justcome just you know they see the b-boysand b-girls breaking in they just theyjust want to sit down and write andwatch and get inspired and you know Iget to know them and they'll go I didn'tknow you're amazing you know musician inthe Vocal Arts or something like thatya know I think it's important todevelop like a sense of community amongcreatives I mean I would say that a lotof times you know artists would maybethey I think it comes down to you knowpublic schools now don't really stressthe importance of creative arts and sosomeone who innately has this creativetendency in their life is somewhat likeshunned a little bit I think likesometimes they don't fit into school somuch and so that might you know go intohow widethey're you know feeling left outand so they don't have a community intheir typical day-to-day life and soit's important to find that communitybut you know I think once there see oncethey're seeing this they're like ohthere's so many people that are likethis and there they come from alldifferent walks of life and so I thinkthat it's it's such a great thing thatyou guys are doing this because it's ayeah it's a it's a great thing that isneeded in the community because I thinkit it's not it's not inherently in ourpublic school system and just in oursociety in general yeah you know it's Iover the years I've gotten to know a lotof young people that have been throughthe program and we always talk aboutsports in schools you know schools focuson traditional sports baseballbasketballmaybe soccer football but when it comesto the creative arts you know it's oneof those things that just it's notacademic in terms of scoring it doesn'thelp bring funding to our school sothose are things that are typicallydropped right away yeah and even thetraditional sports you know not everyoneis is laid out to to be excited or evenhave that natural ability within withincertain specific sports and so you knowwhat breaking does specifically I thinkit creates an avenue in an opening doorfor individuals that may not relate tobasketball football soccer and says heyyou know what but but breaking issomething that I can actively do and Ican learn how to do and I don't have tohave this natural ability to be you knowstrong or I don't have to be super tallto become Baska player you know and Ithink it it's the one one type ofactivity that I think anybody can beinvolved in and it doesn't cost youanything yeah and I think that's thegreatest thing it's you don't have tobuy uniforms you don't have to be partof a program that costs funds it's justyou know if you have space you have adesire you could do it wherever you wantya know that's what drove me to itbefore I was big into like martial artsand stuff and I just felt this likedisconnect between me and like a lot ofthe things the activities I was doingbecause it was always like oh you needto do it this way and this and I waslike I just want to do whatever the heckI want and so in a way I was like ab-boy before I even knew it breaking wasand once I stumbled upon breaking I waslike oh it's okay to do whatever thehell you want like it's encouraged infact if you're not doing thatit's discouraged you're you're a biterright so I was like man this is what Iwant to do this is like so fun it's youknow I love it because it's like anactive thing to do it's it keeps you inshape but you know it's encouraged tojust explore like different movementsand you can kind of make whatever youwant into something cool it's it's likeit's like taking you know a canvas andpainting and you just kind of turn itinto whatever you want that's how I lookat it and I had been a you know painterbasically my whole life before cominginto Breaking and so um it was like anatural thing for me to get into I meanobviously I needed to learn moves andstuff I needed to understand the colorpalette is what I could call it thecolor palette the techniques of how tohow to perform the dance but once Iunderstood that is like okay let me justput these pieces together in whateverway I can conceive of in my mind and Idon't know in its encouraged to do thatso I found that this is like what I wantto do this is I was like I say that Iwas like destined to be a b-boy you knowmy whole life really even though Ididn't know what breaking was until Iwas probably like 13 or something youknow so I think a lot of people probablyfeel the same way and a lot of peoplethat probably don't know what breakingis right now and so I I want to get themessage out to them that there is thiscommunity and I think that that's likethe mission statement of like juiceright and that you want to get thisthing out there so that people can cometo the community explore their differenttalents their different things buildtalents and you know ultimately becomepart of the hip-hop communityand do art together with us yeah I havean interesting story because I wasn't Iguess I wasn't I guess I wasn'tintroduced to hip-hop till much later onyeah I knew of hip-hop and you know Ilistened to hip-hop music mm-hmm but Ithink you know it didn't come till muchlater in my life where I reallyunderstood the true culture of hip-hopgoing back where I came from I I was agymnast growing up oh niceand so started when I was really youngdid it through college and my lastcompetition I was done oh I mean since Iwas probably five years old yeah Iworked out you know maybe five to sixdays a week three to four hours a daycompeted you know every other weekendand then one day it just it was I wasdone there was nothing left for me Ididn't have a desire to compete you knowany further I wasn't I wasn't at thatlevel either where I could go hey youknow is I could be in the top ten theUnited States I was you know I was I wasokay for where I was and and I had agood time doing it and I took a hiatusyou know I didn't even just stopped andI still kept in shape after I finishedschool I I moved to Japanmmm and I lived in Japan for about ayear and a half I always knew aboutbreaking but you know and I and Ibecause I was able to do some of themoves in gymnastics I saw you know breakdancers that time going oh hey that's athat's a that's a Thomas flare or that'sa team player and I was like yeah I wasdoing that when I was like six years oldyou know that's and so you know that wasthat came really natural to me I waslike get on my hands and I can do youknow an aerial flip you know that wassomething that I go yeah it's kind of inmy my bag of tricks you know so when Iwas in Japan I went to a universitythere had a relative that allowed me tokind of enter into a university justkind of as a spectator and okayit was really cool I stay there forabout almost half yearand I met this young man who was doing astyle of dance called tutting yeah infront of a glass mirror at theUniversity and I just went up to say heyyou know that's really cool yeah my nameis Eric and sure enough we just kind ofhit it off and he's like yeah I alsob-boy I am and so hey won't you comepractice with us yeah so he introducedme to his crew in Japan called chitinninja oh yeah yeah and then all of asudden you know this thing that I waspracticing since I was a fire his oldgymnastics all a sudden startedtransforming to a street dance and thenthat street dance became breaking yeahand then I started to go wow this isreally cool you know and and I just Ithink more so was just the need in thefeeling of being able to have a group tobe around and in just being able toexpress you know something that's verynatural in me in movement you knowgymnastics without perfection straightlegs and plenty of toes and eventuallyyou know it allowed me to just to go heywhat if I just bend my right knee andflex my front foot and just do somethingfunky you know and creating your ownpersonality through it but you know Ialready had that skill set at that ageand I was like you know this is reallycool but what I really learned is aboutcommunity and I think it was about thecrew aspect because I'd never had thatit reminded me about how I had a teamwhen I was in gymnastics and about someof the close relationships that I haveand it just allowed me to go how thiswould it feels like to be a crew andjust to share in and just yourexperiences with each otherpractice hard with each other eat witheach othershare stories with each other and justbe there for each other I felt that wasthat was kind of the opening up of whathip-hop culture was really all aboutyeah it's about that community and thatneed for belonging and just aboutsharing in your life so eventually youknow I startedaccessing learning about breaking andjust some of the basic fundamentals butyou know I was like I was always doingjust doing power moves I mean I didn'tlearn about the basic fundamental stepsoh thank godyou know what I was gonna do this nowand then see where it takes me but I wasreally into and eventually I came backto the United States and I was just kindof more aware about what you know Ilearned in Japan and they go gosh thismust exist here somewhere yeah yeah soone day you didn't even know you know soI was just you know cuz I didn't Iwasn't exposed to breaking I was exposedto a lot of hip-hop growing up and thenone day I was over at work and I heardthis girl talk about this place that isjust an open session yeah a lot ofreally dope b-boys and b-girls go dothey have an awesome MC program live DJthey have graffiti art walls I'm likewhoa so I just went up to her and sayhey I overheard you talking about thisplace can you tell me about it I'mreally interested it's just like yeahjust come follow me it's in LA yeah Iwas like okay and remind you so I grewup in the valley I was super suburbia Ohand I and I was living I think on thattime on the west side of Los Angeles soI was like oh la it's kind of dangerousout there isn't it yeah like I don'tknow you know um so I remember going outthere I was like where are we in LA cuzI never went to a Laker I've alwaysthought it was like a dangerous placeyeah I mean that's how sheltered I wasI'm growing up but you know sure enoughit was it was in it was in the heart ofLA and the minute I walked into juicethat one day I mean I felt this amazingfeeling over going wow there's so muchenergy here there's so many amazingtalented artists here and it's free andI just I was kind of in awe and I just Iwas just watching everybody collaboratetogether just people talking going wowthis is a place I really need to be atyeah that was my first experience and Ithink I sat down for the first 30minutes just watching cuz I was justlike wow there's just so much amazingthings going on here that's tight yaknow I I guess I probably have a similarexperience walking into one of the firstjams I've ever been to when I wasprobably 13right 14 13 14 I walked in and it's justlike all these people are just dancingbattling and I was like whoa okay atthat time I was like a skateboarder andyou know I was aware of like whatbraking was I could do a few moves orwhatever but I'd never been to an eventbefore and so I go in and I just seethese like top level guys but I didn'tknow who they were at that time but andI see them actually Rob Zilla was theirstuntman was their Cujo was there and Iwas like oh my god who's this guy justlike literally flying on his hands andand you know come to know it later it'slike oh that was Cujo yeah it just likeblew my mind to see that and thatthere's this huge community of you knowof b-boys because before that it waslike oh it's just some high schoolersthat get together in the lunchroom youknow at my high school cuz the janitorsaid we could be there until he comes inthere basically and so that's that thatwas breaking to me before that momentand so yeah it like hit me it hit melike a brick going oh there's this ismore than like what I'm what I thoughtit was you know it's more than justfreaking rolling around on the floorthis is like this is a real movement soyeah that's that's that's tightyeah was interesting you mentioned someof those names uh-huh stop man Rob Sillagood Joe because they've been aroundjuice since the very inception oh yeahand they they were actually very muchinstrumental and bringing together theorganization and the b-boy communitymm-hmm and so you know it's just amazinghow many b-boys and b-girls have beenthrough juice at one time in their lifeand have come through the doors you knowI always hear so many internationalvisitors come we go hey we heard aboutthis place in LA yeah and you have sucha long history of alleys you know b-boyswe used to watch on VHS tapes and noware on YouTube but this has been like aniconic spot where people have comethrough at least one time in their lifemm-hmm and so it's really cool to hearyou know how individuals from like JapanGermanyjust you know they'd say hey we're herewe want to take a picture of thisyou know Amazings yeah or a lot ofhistory has come from yeah yes is itreally it's always really encouraging tohear something like that yeah no I knewabout juice before I moved to LA I meanI had I probably known about it for along time I didn't know exactly what itwas but um it was like there was alwayslike a buzz around like what you knowwhat this is there's this thing out inLA and I had I only moved out here likemaybe less than six months ago and so Ihad no idea you know what I guess howdeep it was and so once I got here I waslike oh it's this is uh this is like areal like thing I thought it was justlike a dance studio or something youknow what I mean that had been aroundfor awhile but no this is like this isthis you guys have a whole freakinmission that you're trying to accomplishI mean you are accomplishing and so yeahit was just amazing to see that so thatand that's why I wanted to talk to youtoday so yeah um so you said you were inJapan about what age were you when youwere in Japan I was about 23 okay23 years old and so that's when youfirst got into breaking I thinkseriously okay taking it more seriouslyjust really training because before thatI mean you know I go to a party and Iwas like oh there's a circle here let meshow them how to do flares oh yeah yeahyou know so I kind of knew of did you dothe gymnast start where you're like yesI tried no I cuz I saw like I go thatlooks really corny if I'd you know do itlike like that I know you should havedone it you should have put on a wholeyeah and then just do it yeahbut but I would you know I would I wouldremember you know going to these likeevents where like you know a circlealways forms right and then you get homeyou know people going in there and doinga lot of like footwork and then all of asudden I go in there and you know atthat time of my life I was I was prettygood at gymnastics I was really in goodshape and soI was just doing like t flares yeah likeand then I was like super easy then I godried into like these flares where youknow it looked like gymnastics well Igot a funny story so the first time Icame to juice and I started to I startedget down and you know I started doingthese flares yeah there's a b-boy comesup to me and says gymnastics gymnasticshe knew right away because he goes youknow the way I did was like it was justyou know I was almost a splits - enginelike yeah like his flares were likepointed toes yeah you know and I wasable to do it in Reverse ways where elselike doing flares and spinning the otherway and yeah he pointed out right awayhe goesgymnastics so I always remember that andso yeah kind of go I go oh gosh it isthat obvious that's when you do abackflip and just do this yes yeah yeahthat's what I would have done but Ican't do that so but no yeah if I was ifI was a gymnast I would have totallyjust embraced it and been like most formperfect flares and then go yes and boomand you don't rip off your hoodie youguys it's hard underneath I don't know Ilike to mess around with stuff like thatbut that's tight so um so I guess whatage do you think you started breakingthen I like I think it was always partof me like gymnastics and they're likeshowcasing I always like to perform Ithink that was the aspect of somethingyeah and part of my lives were destinedto be a B so I would say seriouslyprobably around 23 24 I mean I didn'teven know what his sick stuff was I waslike yeah I just thought people ranaround like with I go oh there's anactual fundamental way to do this yeahyeah yeah and so I was like cuz I usedto pretend like you know just go oh Igot this you know and then you'rerunning around yeah and so it's funnynow because I a lot of young kids yeahand you know they always see what peopleare doing but they just run around withherand feet and thinking that's exactlywhat everyone else to do which is trueto a certain extent but I think you knowyou start to break it down you okaythere's an actual there's a formula tothis and there's usual hand-feetmovement that you know everyone learnsfrom mm-hmm yeah and I mean the bits andit's so deep - I mean there's like everylittle position you're putting your handand your foot is like a different movealmost I mean I have a whole thing aboutmy perspective of Fork but we don't haveto talk about that but so breaking soyou you always felt like you were kindof destined to be a b-boy you're a b-boyand a gymnast body I'd suppose and soyou came into it and you already had thearsenal as if you had been breaking yourentire life and just forgot to dofootwork or something yeah I gotta behonest I I didn't learn footwork tillmuch later on and then you know as youget older you know I think the powermoves become a little more difficultbecause it hurts your elbows or yourshoulders your wrists and so I mean forme like I even stopped doing playerslike five six years ago just because itwas just every time I did it I just ithurt my body a lot and so what I startedto do a little bit more was focus onstyle and just almost fundamentals andgo in the reverse way where I'm goingbackwards where I'm going all right Ican do these things that that you know Ican condition my body to not do so muchI guess power moves but I can go more tostyle and try to do what I can do withinmy age and and still feel healthyafterwards yeah yeah I mean I thinkthat's what's so great about breaking islike there's just it's such a branchingthing I mean there's so much I mean lookas someone outside looking in they'reprobably like I don't understand thisbut like when you go into it it's likeman there's so many things to learn thatthere's no way you're gonna learn it allin the your lifetime as a b-boy and so -taking pieces of everything and you canjust mix it in whatever way you want Ithat that is like so cool you know youryour style kind of develops as you agebecause of it like develops around whatyou're capable of in a way you know Imean like for me I started out doing alot of footwork then I started doingpower moves then I started injuringmyself and I stopped doing powerfulmoves and just started doing otherthings I started freestyling a lot moredoing more top rocks and you know otherlike flowy type of moveslots of transitions and stuff and then Idon't know now I'm where I'm at kind oflike dude like I can do moves but it'slike oh there's a risk to it I mighthurt myself so yeah one thing I loveabout breaking is is you know it's justthe the free flow of creativity I thinkcreativity comes from differentinspirations in your life mm-hmm andmaybe what you do outside of practice orthings that you see and I get a lot ofinspiration by watching other styles ofdance yeah and I love just you knowhouse dance or just different movementsand go wow that's really cool what if Iyou know you know create that movementin my top rocks and just be a little bitmore funky you know and yeah and I lovethat aspect of just being unique andjust developing your own style throughwhatever inspires you in lifeyeah I always got inspired by those oldlike corny kung fu movies that for somereason they were just so cool to seelike someone whooping the other dudesass and then he just like sits in somecrazy fries and he just you know hismouth moves and then it says somethingelse buddy oh dude my style is betterthan yours I always thought that thatwas the dopest thing ever and they wouldyou know I used to watch this one moviecalled the Buddhist fist a long time agoand this dude would just jump into thecraziest freezes and I was like dudethis guy's a b-boy like for reals he'sjust hitting I remember he hit thiscrazy like chair freeze on his elbow andhe's just pointing at the guy and he'sjust like talking shit like oh dudethat's loveand then you know he obviously gets upand whupped his ass or whatever but Ialways like that because it was just socorny but so dope yeah totallybut yeah the movement is so is so coolbut yeah just getting the inspirationanywhere I mean is is encouraged inbreaking in I think that that's theoverall I don't know message to be saidand and and why it resonates with me somuch and resonates with a lot of peopleyeah yeah so outside of hip-hop do youhave any other creative endeavors orhobbies in your life yeah so it soundsfunny but there's a couple things I liketo do one of them is scene karaoke mybrother are hell in the car I mean likewe're I'm not we're not good singers butdo you don't doubt yeah so that's one ofmy how would you say was one of mypassions I have a a singing group that Igo to every Wednesday oh dang so you'relegit and so we do karaoke everyWednesday and so I've been doing thisfor the last you know five or six yearsstraightthat's tight so I really enjoy thataspect of being creative but you knowsinging renditions of songs and in myown way what's your favorite song thisthing oh man you know that's a greatquestion I don't have oneyeah I would say you know all depends onthe crowd of like what type of musicthey like it okay and maybe that wouldbe like the song genre I would choosejust you know if if there was like awhole crowd of b-boys of what would youpick oh man it wouldn't be it wouldn'tbe a pop love song that's for suremaybe like a Bruno Mars song okay yeahjust something that has a little bitmore funk to it that what people can getinto and likeor whatever yeah 24-karat you know yeahyeah yeah just something that's likegroovy funky you know that people canall go yeah let's get down to the Hatokay so what about if it was like a likea senior citizen home yeah a seniorcitizen home well a funny thing youmentioned senior citizen home so one ofmy good friends right now what he'sdoing is he's going to different seniorcitizen homes and he's sitting upkaraoke at dude before that so andbecause it does a lot of things it helpsstimulate the mindyeah and whether they sing well or notit's it's the matter of readingsomething on television keeping you upand it justthey reflect on the past and I think youknow memory is a big thing with with youknow older folks and so there'ssomething there's something there's areally deep connection between singingthat stimulates the mind but also beingwith a read and do a little thing so theinteresting thing was I went to a seniorcitizen home and to join them in karaokenight yeahso they most of them probably won'trecognize you know anything that'sprobably from the 90s and on yeah unlessand they're like oh do you know likeDean Martin or something really old soone of the songs I sang just because Idon't really know a whole lot of reallyold songs I mean I seen a lot of Beatlessongs too but okay you know maybe somelike the Rascal Flatts like life is ahighway that just kind of is they maynot recognize it but the melody is kindof cool so they go they start to likeyou know maybe even dance to it a littlebit yeah yeah yeah that's tight so areyou like a pretty good singer in my mindI'm a pretty good singer but to otherpeople I'm probably just mediocre okayI've always wanted to learn to sing likeI've I've recently got pretty into likemusic production and I've like in mymind I've always been like oh I want tosing over these but I don't know I don'tknow how to sing I mean I kick I canfake it I do I mean me and my brotherwould always do karaoke and we we don'tdo it too often anymore but we used todo it literally like every week we wouldgo to this this Japanese restaurant inSacramento and we were just we would bethe only people doing it too and we werejust freaking take over the restaurantjust singingI don't know we would always sing likewelcome to the junglethose are tough songs yeah and those arereally hard hard songs to sing so I meanwe sucked at it so but um what was theother song I'd singI believe in a thing called love by thedark the darkness okay yeah that songwas all we were all about that one umyeah I don't know we tons of BackstreetBoys songs a shit those are classics youknow everyone knows some too so I was inJapan going back to that time period andI remember you know I would be new tothe location the area I didn't have anyfriends at that point I just knew youknow we have our days off you know fromwork because I taught English in Japanso you're doing like a jet program itwas it was a private school program okayand so on my days off you know like okayyou know what should I do there's allthese karaoke places all over the placebut I was like all right how does thisworkyeah I'm just gonna enter it so one dayI decided to go let me just check it outyou know and so I get there and it'slike yeah I like to sing karaoke this islike my broken English I make the brokenJapanese yeah and like one yeah just meshe's like I think they asked me likethree or four times like one just oneare you crazyand so I said yeah just me is that okayso and they did it by time so I rememberI would like jam you know like becausehe charged by hour so I invited her youknow and you have to order a drink -that's like their minimum oh okay so Iwould like pack and you know as manysongs like in and then do that and so Iremember going back to the class becauseI used to teach adults English hmm andwe were talking about karaoke and inthis one Japanese student of mine she'slike you know seeing karaoke by yourselfis like going to Disneyland by yourselfand running all the rides by yourselfthat's how weird it might be but I wasso into it I mean I loved it and I lovedbeing part of like a group sing karaokethat's a burnshe burned you pretty hook you know andthat's I guess it just kind of it waspart of something that I'd love to do isZ and I don't even know how to sing welllike I think in my mind I can sing okaybut in terms of seeing lessons and howto really resonate your voice and how todo it properly you know it's all beenself taught just like kind of somewhatlike breaking is but you know it's allbeen self talk you never took any voicelessons or anything never took anythingI've always thought about taking it Ijust don't have the time right now but Ithink eventually I'll probably do itjust cuz it's always been something Iwanted to learn right when I was youngerwe would go to my mom had us in likewhat is it called Sunday school and sowe would always we'd have to be a partof like a choir there so at a young agewe were learning how to sing you knowprobably through elementary school orwhatever and then you know and then Istopped doing that and but it always wasyou know I guess the little bit ofsinging lessons I had when I was youngerthrough that is it's really the onlything I've had but sometimes I'll watchlike youtube videos about how to likeuse your lungs better your diaphragmbetter I'm not a good singer though butit's something I definitely want to getgood at hey well you know what we got aset date and just bang it out you knowwhenever my brother has like a party athis house he has a little what's itcalled Magic Mike uh-huh and we justlike go off on it yeah so so I set up atmy placeuh-huh kind of this I have two Mike's ofa mixer and I have a karaoke programthat has tons of songs I just kind of gothrough that's things so I remembergoing to it was a juice offend we justall got together a lot of the staff andthe friends came by and my friend who'sa DJ yesyou're like because I brought the wholesystem over I brought my PA system themics the stands he's all like you'relike a DJ for care yeah because I waskind of likeall right next Sangha you know who is ondeck you know that's tight yeah dude Ialways was curious all right I alwayshad this weird idea that to do karaokeat a jam like while people are battlingjust have a deed I don't know how Iwould quite work but like you're playingmusic and then someone's up there justsinging like this song I don't know howit work quite like I always thought thatthat'd be so dope to make that happen itwould like totally lighten up the mood Ithink of a jam and that's I'm all aboutthat kind of thing yeah I I thinkbreaking away from the traditionalstructures that'll be interesting youknow one aspect about jams I love is youknow live music I mean gosh just havinglive music is so different it's so coolI remember going to one of Jeff's killsevents and it was awesome this had afull-on live band just going off youknow for a handful of songs and you knowit was just really cool just have thataspect of it like it was a concert yeahit feels like it and it you know andthey're just like a lot of times I sawit would be like the DJ is playing theirmusic and then this live band would justjump on and just put a bass line orwhatever you know and I always thoughtthat was tight they'd hit the drums andstuff they yeah kind of play along withit yeah we did a couple of jams over atthe park where we brought in drumsetsaxophone and we had two DJ's justspinning at the same time and usingother instruments along yeah it justreally created a different vibe and Ithought was really cool yeah yeah itcreates a concert vibe and it's it's notit's not even like you had an entireband or like you know they they had likea whole set that they were doing it wasjust some guys just playing you knowplaying to a song that's already existedthis is probably how they practice to behonest and so they were just like heyI'm down with this doo doo doo doo dooyou know playing that junk and theneverybody loves it so I I actually met afew drummers recently and I was like ehis this the kind of is this like how youpractice because this is like somethingthat b-boylove you know b-boys and b-girls loveand so if you ever wanted to just go toa jam or something or a practice evenand just jam out like it would bedefinitely yeah I I would invite thattoo to just like you know let's justspring out some congas and just havesome beats and just just freestyle itand just you know bringing other friendsjust want to have really cool rhythmsand just jam out to itbecause I love the diversity ofdifferent types of music as long as ithas like consistent beat that people areinto what's your favorite style of musicactually so what I listen to I listen tothe top 40 music oh you do okay I doalright and I think some of that comesbecause you know when I start to singkaraoke oh yeah that those are the songsI go okay those are kind of popular nowbut there's certain songs I go I reallylike that type of song yeah it's itdoesn't have to be all male singers tolike there there there there are TaylorSwift songs there's Halsey songs thatI'm into that I go okay that really hasa really cool melody and a beat I'mgonna sing the guy version of it okayyou know and a different key yeah but Ilisten top 40 but then you know when Iwhen I break and so forth I mean and Ican't listen to just the remixes and yesI'm a you know great funk and R&B thatjust is out there when when when anybodyasks me that question I always have ahard time answering it because I I canliterally find a song in any genre thatI like you know and so I mean maybe theanswer to the question is like whichJohn are do I find the most songs butthere's some John Rose I just haven'tyou know dug so deep into but I just Ijust love music like you know all hereI'll hear something weird that I'venever heard before and I'll go like okayI don't quite understand this yet butlet me give it a try and I you knowsometimes I'll get into it I'll go likeoh okay I see what they're trying to dobecause it's not it's not always justabout a lot I mean a lot of time there'sthey're trying todo something different musically andit's maybe just not understood at thattime because it's so different and Imean it's just it's fun to like breakdown what they were creatively doing intheir music yeah so and that that's whatI think is so fun about music and why somany different styles of music likeresonate with me and so yeah I like tolisten to some of the weird likeexperimental stuff that like doesn'teven have like a you know a steady beator anything because even that stuff yougood like you you want to break downlike what the heck is going on and it'slike it's so cool like once you startfiguring it out yeah and I think gettingmore into music production has helped mekind of break down music a lot betterinto so but yeah I don't know I you knowwhen I was younger I was really intolike rock music alternative you knowlike Nirvana the Third Eye Blind guysmmmthings like that Rage Against theMachine I was really into and then lateron I started getting more into hip-hopthat got more into like soul music funkmusic and stuff namely from breakingjazz music got a little bit into likecountry music recently I've been intolike mumble rap actually okay yeah a lotof people have like a kind of weirddisdain for it which at first when Iwhen I first heard I was like oh what isthis stuff and I kind of gave it a tryfor a while and then I started realizingyou know mumble rap is like thisgeneration the this generations way ofbeing like counterculture you know I'vetalked to a lot of people about thisactually on this podcast but hip-hop hasalways been like a somewhatcounterculture thing they want to dothen something new that no one else hasdone and like I really feel like that'swhat the mumble rap scene was all aboutwas like let's make music but we're nottrying to copy what these guys didbefore us let's do something new youknow much like punk how punk music theywould scream and you know kind of have ainaudible like noise almost I feel likethat's what momis doing and I've always liked punkmusic and so when I when I realized thatconnection to counterculture and likethem doing something different I reallygained like a huge respect I guess forit and I don't know yeah I think hip-hopis is very much you know that outletit's that it's that counterculture it'sit's creating something you always sayfrom nothing but you know it's reallyyou know having having that creativenesswith what you have yeah you know and andI think it's just it's a really uniqueway of expression you know I look backas to the evolution of hip-hop becauseyou know hip-hop culture has beenchanging over the years and I think itchanges I think as we come to the newage is what's what people you know gothrough in their lives kind of reflectthe outcome of how they express himselfyou know I think a lot of times peoplehave hip-hop and the culture kind ofconfused in some sense especially ifyou're not really involved in thecommunity to see what it's all about youknow that was one of the topics ofdiscussion is you know what is hip-hopright and I think people always go wellyou know hip-hop is is rap music yeahit's a style of dance yeah and I thinkthere's some type of you know disconnectbetween what is what is authentichip-hop you know so people go what iship-hop and what every time I and Iexplain hip hop to others that may nothave been involved in the culture righttell them it's about it's aboutcommunity it's about respect and loveit's about bringing you know positivityto to the worldit's about belonging family and andthese are all the the items that kind ofform what we call hip-hop today and soyou know what we try to do over at juiceis to kind of keep those core valuesabout having respect for everyone youknow it doesn't matter your backgroundand your race your color your talentanything you know everybody is welcomein hip-hop yeah and you know that's oneof the things that you know we prideourselves just to make surethat you know we want to make sure thedoors open for everybodyyeah hip-hop to me is like a lifestyleit's a it's a culture it's a lifestyleand it's um it's not it transcends Ithink all of the the you know the fourelements the four typical elements wetalked I think it I think it's um it'sit's much more than that it's it's alifestyle it's a it's a whole cultureand it's ever-growing I wouldn't besurprised if later on we start sayingthat there's five elements of hip-hop orsix elements of hip-hop you know what Imean and I think it's just because thebubble is growing more and we're likeyou know as more people getting involvedwith it where we're actually figuringout more about like what this all whatthis all is and and so you know I thinkin the next couple years we're gonnaprobably see more and more peoplegetting involved with it namelyyou know breaking is now gonna be in theOlympics so I think it's gonna open alot of people's eyes to what we do andso I wouldn't be surprised if there's aninflux of new b-boys you know coming inand trying to learn what hip-hop is andso I think having a good definedcommunity for them to and welcomingcommunity ready for them is like reallythe best way to handle that because it'snot you know this is a welcomingcommunity and so we wanna we want tomake that apparent you know when whenthat happens I don't know I don't knowif you have anything to say about thatit's yeah I'm you know breaking breakingis always meant to evolve over time withwhatever's going on in the world orwhatever's happening in our community alot of people ask me you know what doyou think about breaking in the Olympicsyeah and you know I think it's part ofits course you know I think breaking isalways meant to evolve hmm I see a lotof great things with having breaking aspart of a larger community yeah andpeople being exposed to something that'sreally importantI think what's important is to make surethat the information about what hip-hopis and what the true culture is is alsoexplained yeah and that there's rightpeople that are able to be part of youknow getting that information out topeople that may not know a lot abouthip-hop a breaking I think that's areally important figure to make surethat you know whatever the OlympicCommittee decides to do is to make surethat there's they keep that authenticityof the culture yeah yeah I was talkingto my friend Serge yesterday actuallyabout all this and he's like he's veryadamant about portraying hip-hopcorrectly like he really wants people tounderstand there's like a lot of I guessa struggle that was you know kind ofbaked into hip-hop and that he does hewants when people come in he doesn'twant to shoo them away or anything hewants to welcome them but then also likeeducate them about what this is and thatthey're not just coming into it as youknow just for the good I guess but butunderstanding everything about it youknow the history of it and that maybethere was some bad parts of that youknow namely that there's maybe some kindof oh you know it's kind of built out ofyou know the ghetto it's built out ofpoverty it was built out of you know abasic struggle in life and to get towhere it is now and so coming into ityou got to respect that as well and sothat was that was one of the main thingshe was he he wants to portray as youknow the scene evolves so which I whichI respect I think that's a that's a goodthing to do you know to always respectlike your history but also welcome inthe evolution of it so well anywayswe're hitting about an hour right now soI think we could probably wrap this showup do you have any lessbest words anything else I know wedidn't really talk about like a crewaffiliation or anything do you have acrew affiliation so I don't I don't havea crew affiliation I guess I get niceyou know there is a juice crew out therehere but oh is that yeah you gonnabattle fit yeah I mean they're prettygood but uh okay yeah I you know I Ilook at you know the evolution of alsojuice and where it has been where it'scome to and you know part of what wewant to continue to do is is build thismodel that we have is free spaces foranybody to come through to be able toexpress themselves in all areas I mean Ithink if you ask me you know what iswhat do I see in the future of juice andI go gosh I could see juice in in everycitycross country across the seas having alocation all over just a place wherepeople can come to to express themselvesutilizing the hip-hop arts as a tool forsocial change empowerment mm-hmm youknow arts education and just changingpeople's lives yeahso we're our future and our hope is tocontinue to do what we're doing continueto grow continue to build new teammembers but also establish new locationsacross you know different areas and yeahthat's what we're trying to do is is isorganically grow you know we've beenworking with the city in the county ofLos Angeles we have different locationsthat we could possibly open up but Ithink what's holding us back right nowis just the ability to staff and alsofinance some of those locations becauseit is a free program so a lot of thingsthat we do you know it's all either bydonations or individuals that reallybelieve in what we do and so you know ifwe have one of those you know wonderfulfunders one day that says hey you knowhow do we really help you guys reallytake this thing offyeah thing that could really change whatwe do and I think you know as we gettowards you know more popularity withthe Olympics and just the media and soforth you know our hope is to be able toalso maybe even ride thata little bit and you know grow what wedo yeah I would imagine there's probablya lot of opportunity for grants outthere I mean there already is but Ithink maybe as there's more popularitythere's there's probably more willing ofthe you know of these organizations andthe government to you know give you guysgrants to do what you do especially ifyou have a well-defined message and planyou know to execute it so I think youknow my mother she's a in art she's anartist in it and a teacher and so shewas doing a lot of similar kind of workin Sacramento where she was gettinggrants to do these well it was like it'slike a it's like a program it's ahealing program through art is I guessthe best way to describe it it's whereshe was she had um women who were youknow subject to abuse or whatever andthey came in did artwork to kind of likeas a therapy and so she was the teacherand organizer the director I don't knowall that stuff so she was doing all thegrant writing and everything to put thisprogram on and so she did that for avery very long time now now she'sretired but okay she still kind ofteaches a little bit but um but yeah Iimagine I mean cuz there's a need for itand so it's it's I imagine that there'stons of grasses right now what we'redoing is collaborating with largerorganizations yeah so we're gonna beworking with LAUSD and after-schoolenrichment programs we're finishing upour contract with them and we have aschool that we're specifically gonna dofree braking programs yeah and thenwe're gonna work with anotherorganization in the location that we'rewith that's already you know a prettywell-known youth organization andincorporating something hip and coolinto their program for some of theiryouth mm-hmm and then you know one ofthe other ideas that we're doing rightnow that we're working towards isopening up another location for juice onSaturday at the same time that we haveour program and being able to teach kidsand families specifically new tobreaking oh cool and so we have alocation already determined for thatand once again it's about staffing andI'm probably gonna end up doing thatportion of just kind of going with itand just seeing where it leads us yeahlike everything you know we try thingsand sometimes we learn from them and weget better at it yeah yeah well I thinkthat you're doing some amazing work andyou know I'm glad to hear that it'sgrowing and that you have big plans forthe future so stay tuned and I'd love tohave you back if you ever have time tocome and talk to more stuff do somekaraoke yeah dope dude so do you haveany like social media to shout out orwhatever I don't know yeah so you canfollow us on a juice hip-hop I would saylike orange juice so juice and hip hopthat's our that's our or handle so comefollow us yeah we're over at MacArthurPark every Saturday from 12:00 to 4:00and then cell is our Park in East LA onFridays from 6 to 8 p.m. free foreverybody free for everybody even meyeah dope cool thank you for for comingon dude this has been a great time Ithink this was a great episode I'mreally happy that you were able to comeand thank you guys for listeningall you zero listeners though sorry theshow 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Khoa, a chemist by day and a bboy by night, discusses his approach to creativity and learning, and how hip hop has shaped his life. Follow @Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoiseListen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoysA broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.----more----[Music]this episode of noise of the broke boysis brought to you by tardiness ring ringring hey is that your alarm are yousupposed to be somewhere right nowoh you're too cool to be on time becauseyou have a hundred followers on socialmedia okaysorry carry on those of you that do havesomewhere to be but decide to stillexercise tardiness despite not having alegitimate excuse I'm here to say headover to your local shopping departmentand head to the time telling devicesection of the wide selection of 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crow no virus not corona virusalthough this guy might have that aswell but chrono as in time he's got atardiness problem but anyways yet todayI have a special guest he is my friendqua the chemist or he used to go byquality but he was a biter so he changedhis name he is a b-boy he is a actualchemist and he's also a douchebag howare you doing my friend what's upnothing much again my apologies forbeing late today very very cleverimpromptu fake ad as well so what's updude you've been living out here for aminute right so we're out here in LAyou've been out here since college rightcuz you went to UC Irvine oh yeah that'sright you studied chemistry out here orsomething right mmm that's right so yeahI studied um first I studied biologythat I realized I hate memorizing shitso I decided to get into chemistrybecause I thought organic chemistry wasactually surprisingly interesting andkind of fun to do at that time which iscontradictory to what everybody aroundme was saying everyone used to say likeman fuck okay that shit sucks dickthat's the reason why I don't even wantto do chemistry anymoreso but then I was against the green Isuppose in this case so I wouldthat chemistry and then after Igraduated I found a job in the area andwas testing out food oh that's rightyeah you were like a food tester yeah ohman so it was you who is putting allthat freaking coronavirus in the food orwhatever they don't mean a thing I don'tknow I'm just making sure though oh no Iput it in the Modelo virus virus thatPBR viruswell dope dude so yeah so you are achemist and you are also a b-boy so youmoved out here and you've been a b-boysince high school right I think I metyou man what were you probably like afreshman or something so or maybe that'scorrect we met during high school Iofficially started back in middle schoolI I just saw my friend at the Buddhisttemplate I go to every Saturday and mmmhe was one of the I don't know you everheard of Turtle Wax crew back then andSacramento hurdle wax crew I don't knowyeah it's like they I mean that justsounds like someone's racing cars thatnight turtle wax is the stuff that makesyour car real shiny that's right yeah sothat was like his crew back then whatI'll call it rice rocket I went out hedrove a rice rocket back then chewedyeah and it was probably busted too itwas like one of those you know one ofthose messed up like CR X's with like anice body kit but it doesn't matcheverything else is like like the colorof the car is different than the colorof the eye of the body kit oh yeahthat's definitely player those back inthe back in those days did you have arice rocket oh no I couldn't even affordone okay all I had back then was just anice reliable Camrya silver cat we solid color all aroundso okay so okay soand so you've been breaking since middleschool in that I guess for reference youare how old you're almost thirty rightalmost 30 so I'm 29 right now so it's abit about living over 16 years since Istarted breaking it's a long time it'sit's it's so weird to me because likewe're like I mean maybe it's justgetting old I guess in this scenebecause like I remember being the youngperson in the scene and now I'm likelegitimately the old person in the sceneand I'm like oh crap dude what the heckit's kind of weird to just to look atthat cuz you go to like a an event orwhatever a breaking event and you seeyou know 12 year olds and stuff 13 14 1516 all the way up to like 20 year oldsand I'm like dang dude I'm 10 yearsolder than all of you guys so I guess itget it just goes to show you that thisis such a young a young dance a youngculture but you know as we're allgetting older and it's getting morepopular I think we're gonna see more oldpeople older people in the scene soanyways so like what got you intohip-hop cuz you you are from the samecity that I'm from which is Carmichaelmm-hmmin Sacramento which is not necessarilyknown for its hip-hop it's a richhip-hop culture it's not known for itsrich like urban scene it's not knownlike it's known for some cows some oldpeopleand that's probably it I don't know whatelse is it's got a good school districtI guess yeah we definitely do have someof that but yeah so what would what gotyou into to HIPAA I mean I guess yeahyou said you're in the Buddhist templeyou saw someone breaking but is thatwhat hooked you into and then how didyou go back home and then figure out howto do this oh yeah so after I saw myfriend doing like a couple of flares anddude even doing a 90 on concrete and Ishouldn't was hella cool so I want tolearn how to do that so the onlyresource I had back then was I went onto my 56k dial-up internet and I waslooking for b-boy tutorials onlinemm-hmmand I notice always talk to people whichis like kind of frowning apart likelooking at people looking at a b-boytutorials however I was like the onlyresource I had at the time so I justread into these message sports and whateveryone probably knew as b-boy got hardback in the days so that's how I firstgot started and I just startedpracticing flares and windmills in myliving room what some really shittycarpet where you get carpet burns andyou have a big living room so it's likeyou got some room for sure it'sdefinitely like enough space to I getsome breaking in I know your your housewas like freakin big at least that onebig entryway is like really big is thatwhere you did itum that's what I did in my later yearsbut in the beginning actually ya know Ithink by the living room was so prettybig yeah well cause like I'm justcomparing it to my parents living roomand like there wasn't much because itwas more long than it was like yours iswide in all directions my parents waslike shorter in one direction so theyhave the couch there and so I give youtried windmills you definitely kickedthe couch but I know yours I don't thinkyou would hit anythingyeah no you had big room yeah I don'tknow yeah there's definitely my plentyof space in the living room but when Iwas like a super newbie back then Iwould I wanted to try learnon a smooth floor so I had this reallysmall like tile section between theentryway door and the living room so Iwould say it's like maybe just a 5 feetby like I don't know 10 feet rectangleof tile saw we just tried to win thoselove that mmm so that's why I firststarted learning uh windows and that'swhat got me even more into it so it'slike I realized oh I can do this shitmaybe I could try learn some other movesokay and so then 16 years later you'restill into it you work in full time inyour chemistry thing or what what isactually your exact job title so I wentthrough a series of different careerchanges so I work over three years ithas a food chemist and then I realizedthis doesn't pay very well I need tolook for a new job okay but you knowbeing like 2425 a time I don't know whatto fucking do I don't have a strongpassion in this career to be a broke boyyes exactly I would be a broke boy if Ididn't work so all I care about wasalright how do I get more money and Ididn't know what to do at the time so Ijust went on a job board so that's Ilook for anything relevant to my skillsso I found this one small company Ilooked for a chemist it said chemiststhis much salary and assistant projectmanager I was like what the hell is aproject manager sounds pretty cool okayso you manage projects and I guess likein the industry what is the industryexactly because it's not food anymoreright so right now I I work for abiotech company diode that makes mediafor you to develop vaccines or they alsomake stuff to freeze your eggs or makeyour sperm swim faster so I work forthat kind of company right now and I domore of the project management stuff nowrather than the laboratory work wait sothat just made me think of a sperm bankthe is there do you have like a sectionof the building you are kidding that's asperm bank that's like you got dudescoming in they're like hey hey hey guesswhat I got you know that's a goodquestion I don't know we have like areservoir of like semen in thelaboratory or something to put them torun their tests I wouldn't doubt itthat's hella funny okay so you're overthere mix and freaking people's semenall day that's what's upb-boy so you're mixing semen by day anddoing windmills by night that's what'supthat's hella tight' but so okay so whatgot you into chemistry though so becauseyou you were into breaking first and allof a sudden you wanted to get intochemistry and I don't know was that wasthat something you were alwaysinterested in you know as much as I wantto provide like what do you what I calla LinkedIn response which is like a veryoptimistic professional soundingresponse about to be like very genuineand learn about it I have to say I justwanna look for something that will makeme money in the future and chemistryjust seemed like something about morefeasible where hey I can do this shit Ican't say I love it but it's interestingenough for me to keep going with it asat that time like I wasn't sure what toreally do because I grew up in a familywhere as we know like a lot of Asianfamilies especially with Vietnamesefamilies we have a kinda like a I guessa pre-arranged kind of life stage oflife stages where okay you're gonna goto school study biology you're gonnabecome either a pharmacist or a doctoror an ale person nail painter yeah whatis their timeOh nail salon specialist you know salonspecialist is that in your career pathat all I'm not I was like trying to findmy mom so I wouldn't consider it likeyou know no no I'm gonna get into thatyou go mixed semen instead now now Imanage key for the mixed semen no cakesand shit like that's the soap so you'relike hey all you Pezover here you mix my semen for me andthey're like oh yes siryes project manager especially is heylet's get this shit done on time ah I'mabout to get some corporate shaking frommy bossoh yeah he's gonna throw his semen atyou you're not doing your job o'clockhere's my semen now wipe it up and gogive it to your peons oh no I'm justtrying to do my job mandamn dude all right that's tight but Iguess kind of going back to like when Iwas like 18 or younger stages so I nevergot to exercise a lot of my owndecision-making back then so I was justrelying upon the whole okay I'm justgonna follow this preset life stagessystem because there's like guaranteesecurity and money and I realize when Iwas showering for a pharmacist so I it'skind of boring it's kind of a link Imean I'm not gonna knock on that kind ofjob because that makes hella money and Irespect people that go through the wholepharmacy school and go through all drugdealers oh yeah exactly yeah you don'twant to go the drug dealer path that'swhat's up um so the reason I was I'masking about chemistry and stuff andbreaking is because I know that you'veall you grew up in like a situationwhere there was like you were kind ofguided towards a certain path but Ithink breaking most people that get intobreaking are like kind of going againstthe grain usually so I'm curious ifthere was like if any like pushback fromyour parents to not break oh all thetime I remember like when I was in highschool I would try to session at home inthe living room and the living room dayyou saw before and I remember my stepdadwould always tell me to stop doing Jeffthe gymnastics as he would college[Laughter][Music]yeah just what this purpose I guess wecould just use that voice yeah and therewas your mom's voice like oh that'ssupervening me I can't even do thataccent ah she would just tell me likejust just focus on my studies enough badboy kick I give you spanking like thatno your mom's only nice I like her yeahbut um yeah I just never my parents justdidn't support it cuz um my stepdadwould hear me like flopping everyone youhear a lot of thud or he walks out ofhis office and he's just like tappingthe ground like dude you flop bro you'reonly ten but your abiders - yeah hewould basically be doing this so Ididn't really get like a whole lot ofsupport earlier on but I like doing itbecause I thought it was cool so I justkept on doing it and then eventually Iforgot how the story went but I guess myfault my mom finally recognized that heycarla has some dope shit and now insteadlike discouraging me she's not braggingto all her friends about me that's rightso she eventually turned around and Iwas like alright all this rolling on theground is is kind of cool but go be apharmacist but you can roll around onthe ground afterwardsI guess callaghan unspoken compromisebecause she saw that oh hey quadgraduated from college and he did prettywell he got a jobI mean he's still breaking so I guessshe saw some nitrous you can see thatthe breaking didn't really kill my Iguess career path from her eyes youwouldn't call her that yeah yeah and sheprobably also recognized that it's likesomething that you love doing and thatit you know it is a creative outlet toyou and that has a lot of benefitI mean that I think I'm comparing it toto my parents who my mom is an artist mydad is a general contractor and Mikecarpenter furniture makers well heactually made this table so they're bothlike creatives and so they were alwaysyou know looking at breaking as I meanthey would say oh don't break your neckdon't you know crash too hard orwhatever but they always looked at it aslike a good thing because it was like acreative outlet to me and my brother andso they were pretty supportive of itother than don't break your neck don'tdo them head spins but everything elsethey're like yeah that's cool so Iimagine maybe your mom started seeingthat as wellyou know because chemist chemistry andbreaking it seems like such differentthings to me and that's I think why it'sso fascinating to me that the this isthis is your reality is that you havethis very like technical skill set andthen this very creative skill set andI'm very curious about like how those tocoincide could collide with each otherdo you see any kind of overlap with itin terms of like maybe mentality oranything I mean I imagine there's a lotof creativity in the work that you dobut it's just not so apparent to someonewho's stupid like me you wouldn't see ityou know I don't know shit aboutchemistry I got an A in chemistry warmactually I set the curve in that classyeah that's really impressive and onlife you look for people below the curveyeah no I was like uh I'm a chemist dudeand then I'm like okay you gave everyoneI'll just smoke back there and the smokein there like oh dude he's gonna be sucha good chemist and then I'm like nahfuck this shit I'm gonna go study somemath or whatever I don't know mmm bangyou know actually that's a really goodquestion about tying in like I guess thechemistry background went breaking thinghonestly as of right now II kept them pretty separate in thisfight like some sort of unconsciousparallels that probably happen I justnever really gave that much thoughtabout it well here's here's somethingthat maybe you can consider is like forme uh you know I'm an engineer I studiedmath and structural engineering inschool and so I have a very like you'llhave like a very set process I mean it'svery math oriented and so when Iapproach breaking I have kind of like aprocess of doing it in a way you knowwe're not necessarily formulaic althoughit might look that way it's it's morelike so when when you get good at mathright you you're not just memorizinglike a bunch of formulas or somethingyou're understanding the process of howlike numbers work and how you know andvariables and stuff and so what you dois you know how to manipulate you know amathematical equation right or just amathematical statement you know how toalter it because you have all thesetools at your disposal and so I approachbreaking kind of in the same ways whereI like try to learn all these new toolsso that when I come into break I canpull pieces of it and kind of get me towherever I want which is the same thingas math really like if you're trying toget you're trying to turn an equationinto something that's usable so you'reapplying all these different tools soyou know whatever this formula youlearned back in the day or this otherlike substitution you can do these areall little tools you use to alter theequation which I know is somewhatsimilar in chemistry so I I don't knowactually no I now that you bring that upthat kind of like I guess woke upside of my brain that actually have somefeedback on this so I do agree I do seeone parallel at least where I think youcan relate to this square we had like acomplex problem and if we want to beable to figure it out we just break itdown to the simplest of basic form of itand I think that I you I definitely usethat a lot more recently with when Ineed to fix my foundation and breakinglike I realized fuck my footwork lookslike shit right nowand if I want to break it down I alwaysdid no no you're right it looked likeshit for a longest time and it wasn'tuntil like I don't know maybe roughly atleast over two years ago I started totry to fix it and the best way to fix itI guess supposed to break it down onestep at a time because like if I justlook at a six step my own six attackthen yeah I'm like man it looks likecrap yeah I just I just break it down tolike individual steps on how to make itlook crispy yeah yeah exactly and Ithink that's the same with math is likeyou have this equation here and you canmemorize thatbut what's probably more important is ifyou learned how that equation wasderived the process of which and so whenI compare that to a sixth step you havethe Move six steps sure and I you knowyou learned that but then if your sixthstep looks like shit what you should bedoing is looking at each of those sixsteps and figuring out how to make eachof those six steps look better and in away now you have six moves rather thanone move right and so now instead ofdoing a six step you're doing just stepsand you can alter the steps as you asyou want and I think it gives you somuch more depth to your dancing and ifyou apply that to like literally everystep you have I think at least for me Ifound that footwork you're no longerthinking about it in terms of six step 7step 8 step twine whatever all thesestupid steps I don't think of it likethat anymore I just think of it as likea certain movement like I'll move my hipthis way inmy foot that way or whatever on my legor I'll have my head up higher have itlower have my arm reaching out more soit's you know in you combining thosemoves together and then yeah that lookslike a six step but I can also alter itnow it becomes like a you know a twinestep or whatever and so yeah that's thethat's the correlation I have with thetechnical background and in the creativebackground no you're absolutely rightabout that like it was until recentlywhen I've realized the importance oflike committing for example the hook inyour sixth step okay I just thought likeoh it's just a part of the six step butI realized now you gotta make that hooklook really good for that stick stuff tobe really good yeah yes well it it'slike every every piece of the move hasthe ability to make a statement so ifyou want to make the statement at thepart where you're hooking your legaround you want to make sure that thathook looks perfect or at least the wayyou want it so cuz that's gonna be thisthat's gonna be the exclamation point onyour on your sentence right or you knowlike like if you're stepping forwardlike one of the one one of the ways theydo it is like I think it'll be it's likeit's basically a step out but you kindof stick your butt up in the airmm-hmm from a sixth step all you'redoing is just accentuating that one stepyou're still sticking your hips uphigher so you can see it but that sothat now that's the exclamation in thein the sentence so I don't know I thinkhaving a good a good balance ofexclamation points and subtle movementis what really makes it's so interestingthe dancing so interesting I agree Ijust feel like it I guess if you want tocompare it to like if you want to reachup to a broader audience overcharged alla nice pretty picture but we can't drawthis pretty picture without having anice knowing how to draw a nice squarenice triangle a nice nice circle or elseyou have like all these bluff tight-asscircleugly-ass warehouse guys look like shityeah it looks like dope so like okay soin terms of creativity like whatcreatively inspires you in this dancehmm you know honestly the whole createevery part was the one I struggle thehardest with like for the longest timeit wasn't until maybe again like roughlytwo years ago at the same time when Istarted fixing my foundation am Ibreaking that's when my creativityfinally started like flourishing back inthe days hate to admit that I most of mycreativity was I really creativity wasjust watching my friends Freddy's ideaswere just basically biting Oh always beboth to be while fighting shit he's abiter so that was like me back in thedays and then it wasn't until like whenI saw like fixing my foundation when Ican finally learn how to creatively addon stuff so I guess the more of thestory being that it's really importantto really build the basic b-boyfoundation first because that's how tocreate these creativity starts flowingas cliche as that sounds but that shitis true and I wish I learned that likemany years back and I think that wouldhave like expend my growth a lot fasterearly on but moving forward going backto the creativity part and I'll say allof it is just like just starts withworking with my friends whoever Isession with and then anytime someonehas a cool idea we just try to build offof that yeah yeah it's definitelyhelpful to have like a bunch of a groupof people to kind of bounce ideas off ofa lot of times when I train with mybrother well me and him are like reallygood at this cuz we just will dosomething and it's like a you know ashitty movinglike say he does a shitty move and I'llbe like oh can you do this after it andthen he'll try it but he'll do it shittyor whatever and then it wasn't quitewhat I had in my mind but then what hedid actually looks better than what Ihad in my mind or whatever and so thenwe were just like oh that was tight justlike clean that up or whatever and samething for me I'll do a move and I'll belike yo what should I do after this orwhatever and so we just bounce ideas andI think the the part that makes itreally interesting is kind of the Lostin Translation thing because he mighthave an idea for what I'm trying to doand he'll try to say it and I won'tquite understand it but I'll go I thinkI understand let me try it and it'scompletely the diff the wrong thing butit's like he'll see it and go oh thatwas tight actually shit try to do thator whatever so I don't know yeah I justplay it's just playing around reallyit's playing around and and not caring Ithink is the two most important thingsfor me at least I'll actually no I agreejust I guess being in a relaxed state ofmind really does it really is importantfor the creativity part especially Idon't know you have I'm sure you hadthese kind of moments where and eitheryou're in a shower or you're taking youryour your work shits and all of a suddenwhile you're taking a shit you're likeoh I have a dumb idea like it doesrelaxed State oh yeah yeah yeah yeah nouh definitely like you have some weirdideas in the weirdest times yeah cuz Imean it I think what's what's reallyimportant for creativity is to likefully immerse yourself into the momentinto it I mean they call it like a flowstate where like ideas are just flowingand so it's like you're hyper focused inthe moment of you know trying to dosomething and and so I think the timeswhen I'm most creative is when I getthat flow state and I'm hyper focused onjust music and you know just caught upin my own head trying to dosomething in but also not being afraidto just go with the flow you know ifyou've if your body is saying do thisjust try itI mean don't get injured or anything butlike see what happens yeah and thenmaybe maybe it's still maybe it's wackI don't know but actually I was gonnaask you about the whole flow State thingso that's like one of the topics I'vebeen trying to explore a lot morerecently and I've experienced that flowstate where things just likeeverything's you should have just turnsinto going that moment like I guess whatI'm trying to figure out and ask fromyou is how do you obtain this flow statea lot more consistently becausesometimes like you I'll be at practiceI'm like trying to take deep breaths andtry to calm myself but I can't alwaysobtain that flow state consistently so Ijust want to ask you from what's on yourend uh well so yeah I've actually beenreally interested in this topic as welland so I've been listening to a fewpodcasts that have experts in the fieldthat have you know they're like what arethe scientists that study the brainpsychology as AI neurology they're allyes something like that but basicallythey're studying what the brain lookslike in that state so they'll get liketest subjects to like get into thatstate and then they're looking at what'sgoing on in their brain and likefiguring out what was the best way toget them there and I mean I think ithasn't been conclusive of what it is butthey have a few things that help and Imight get this wrong but I guess maybeit's better if I just speak fromexperience what I find is that yeah it'skind of like a meditative exercise in away is like you gotta calm yourself andbecome high like again hyper focused ina certain moment which you know is is ameditative state you're you're notthinking about what anyone else is doingif anyone's looking I mean it's almostlike you're in a room by yourself rightand you're there you're on the ground orwhatever and you're not thinking aboutanyother than music for instance for me forme it's it's the easiest one you know Ihave this music going and it you knowit's like my favorite music or whateverand it's an empty room it's just me Ifind myself getting into that state alot easier because they're there I'm notthere's no one around me to like youknow to give me some kind ofsubconscious stretch distraction yeahyeah I'm not trying to like perform forthem or whatever so not that you can'tdo that with other people around I meanI do that all the time too but you justit's a little bit harder because youhave this thing in the back of your mindthat oh there's these people here orwhatever you can't be crashing all overthe place oh but yeah so like I thinkyeah if you I think the things thatapply to meditation also apply to like aflow State for creativityI don't know I'll have to send you someof the podcasts I've listened to aboutit because it's it's a very interestingsubject and it's not fully understoodbut there are a lot of methods thatpeople have figured out and it's notjust and it's not um it's not only foryou know typical arts things like youcan get into like a float a creativeflow State for really anything andthat's I think that's how a lot of themost the coolest accomplishments havehappened is when people get hyperfocused on something and they date youknow they'll come up with cool ways todo it I mean I have a I have a theorythat Elon Musk is like really good atthis because that guy just has somewild-ass ideas all the time and thenhe's also good at executing them so youknow I feel like he just gets into thiscrazy State of Mind where he's coming upwith all these ideas and then he goesokaylet me reach into my deep bass pocketwith all this money and now let's makeit happen you know and then got a rocketthat's going all over the place andstuff so well yeah kind of continuingoff of that how it's just kind ofcuriouskind of a side question did you startdrinkingmatcha recently because of thel-theanine properties it has the whatElvis theanine l-theanine I have no ideawhat that isI drink it cuz it's good that's goodyeah yeah I don't know yeah it cuz ittastes good and it's I mean like I likecoffee a lot but sometimes coffee giveyou like a headache and stuff and likematcha has some caffeine in it and Idon't know it's I guess it's not soharsh in terms of like caffeine spikeyeah the caffeine spike so I'll drinkmatcha like more often now but I don'tknow I don't know what what isl-theanine with l-theanine it's acomponent in commonly found in matchatea and I've read this recently whereBuddhist monks in Japan which workmatcha tea for the healthy earningbecause l-theanine is supposed to belike this meditative component thathelps your brain relax a lot more soit's supposed to help them with theirmeditation sessions and I started Iguess reading about how to like calm mybreaking down a lot better because I goI go to jams and so you know consciouslyI know that I feel hella nervous and I'mtrying to like take deep breaths andcalm myself and I've been trying to doresearch on how to like optimize thewhole relaxation process you know Istarted buying like the l-theanine selfamazed to see that kind of helps and Iwould say it made my sessions a bitbetter in recent days and be more so Ijust thought that maybe you starteddrinking matcha green chief what else doyou need no but maybe that maybe that'smaybe that's what's been helping me Imean I didn't watch it pretty often soand I drink a lot of tea too so ifthere's any of that l-theanine and likeregular ass tea to you know just regulargood green tea then maybe that helps meI don't know I'll have to look into thatcuz I've never heard of thatI mean shit if it helps then that's dopeI don't know for me I think for me I'vealways just not cared so much about whatother people think soI think that helps me a lot when I go tolike an event I mean obviously that'snot a hundred percent true because I docare I don't want to crash I don't wantto look like shit but I also recognizethe fact that if any of that does happenit's not the end of the world so thatlike helps me a lot and also theexperience you know I've been doing thisfor so long it's kind of like I knowwhat to expectso I've been in this situation you knowI've been dancing in front of people forlike most of my life so it's you knowjust remembering that this isn't I'm nota newcomer to this so I can just jump inand make it happen I think that helpscall me the most you know so do you likeconsciously perform these kind of mentalexercises you want to call it that uh Iguess so ya know I mean there's momentswhen like say you're in a crazy battleand you're just getting blown the fuckup that I think that's when somethingreally sparks up in me because you knowlike back when I used to do martial artss like when you're against someone who'sreally good who's just lighting you upyou know they're like kicking and shitand you're like oh dude this guy's gonnaknock me out or whatever um you get thislike fear in your body and like once youhave a fear you're like I'm definitelygonna lose I'm gonna get fucked up andyou have to like turn something on totell yourself you know no you're notgonna get fucked up you can do this youcan handle it you know what I meanbecause you don't you don't want to getyourself in the defeat state of mindwhen you haven't been defeated yet Imean even if you get knocked out youhaven't really been defeated you want toget back up you know and train getbetter come back at itpercent later on you know yeah so it'sit's it's always been a thing for me todo to to not be defeated by anything andso yeah I think something maybe switcheson in my mind to go itI guess I've kind of trained this iswhere what I like what triggers in mymind is like it is kind of like afeeling of this guy is trying to takesomething from me this guy's trying tolike you know I don't know kidnap myfamily or whatever take some shit fromme you know like I turned some kind oflike thing on in my mind where it's likein a way life or death which then makesme go okay all this scared this is goingaway all this fear is going away cuz Idon't have I have no time for that rightnowyou know I can go back and reflect onthis later but at this moment there's notime for this and so training that Ithink has helped me a lot not that I I'mlike super good at it or anything but Ithink I've gotten a lot better at itjust because it's I'm more conscious ofit so that you like start training yourmental state a lot more recently uhmaybe not super recently I mean withinthe last probably like six or sevenyears it's I think what I've mostlytrained myself in thinking is like whenthat happens and you start having like afear or a doubt in your mind toautomatically go no that's not gonnahappenin fact I'm better than this I got thisI've been in the situation many timesand you know let's just handle this youknow I you know and again yeah this guyis trying to take something away from mewhich then triggers like I don't know ifit's some like primal thing inside likehumans where you know like a maybe it'slike a fight-or-flight kind of feelingso then you get this adrenaline spotso that now you you're more equipped tohandle that situation but yeah I thinkjust training yourself to think aboutthat at that moment that it like thattrigger so when you hit that fear levelautomatically there's a trigger to go nowait that's not gonna happen I mean itdoesn't happen all the time but I I'vegotten better at making that happenprobably in the last six or seven yearsI sounds like you're just challengingthese I guess irrational fears areirrational yes or oral or I don't knowit's I think because I think as humanspeople we all have these instincts inourselves and we just need to know howto trigger them and like you know in inthe situation of a dance battle I thinkmaybe we're all like it maybe doesn'tget naturally triggered all the time foreverybody because you're not really indanger you just freakin somebody spin iton their head or with some shit andyou're like oh I'm just getting blown upor whatever you know but but if you canI guess trigger that to fightfight-or-flight kind of mentality ormaybe not flight fight you're triggeringthe fight in you you get that adrenalinespike I can handle this I'm not gonnarun from it yeah I don't know that's apretty interesting point I think I mightstart taking notes on this yeah I youknow one of the things one of the thingsthat always crossed my mind when I dothis is and I think it helps a lot is isI imagine my grandpa who was in theJapanese internment camps I imagine howhe probably felt as soon as that startedhappening because he was probably likeyou know oh shit everything's gettingtaken from me fuck this you know it's ayeah it's like a firefight mentality atthat moment so I try to think of thatand that gets me better intostate of mind like okay someone's tryingto take something from me let's let'sfight for this you know so I don't knowthat helps me a little bit yeah actuallythat's that's actually a reallyinteresting point I guess try to makethat conscious continual decision yeahthe fight rather than just caving intothe oh fuck I'm getting roasted I'mgetting smoked kind of moment yeah it'sit's hard to though because I also don'ttake myself too seriously so likesometimes if I'm getting blown up I'mlike oh shit that was a tight ass movethough and so I'll like be cheering andthen I'm like oh dude wait what is thefuck are you doing you got it you gottalike battle this guy's so yeah I don'tknow yeah I guess fighting thatlaid-back nough Stu is a little bitchallenging too so I don't know but Idon't have a huge issue with thelaid-back nice just because you knowdancing should be fun so if you're agood if you're laid-back and it's fun Ithink you're doing it right if you'renot having fun then I think you're notdoing it all rightoh no I totally see that if you'rehaving fun and that shit's likecontagious with everybody in the roomyeah uh so um other than breaking do youhave any other creative hobbies mmmother than breaking I would say I don'tknow if cooking counts it's like acreative hobby yeah I think so nice atleast my cooking I don't know how tocook so I'm like oh I want this to tasteuh you know acceptable so let's throwsome soy sauce in it cuz it soy sauce isgood it's a sugar or something all righthopefully this shit tastes good actuallyyou're right though I guess if you learnsome some basic foundations of cookinglike what happens if your food is toosalty use that a little bit of sugar tolike balance it out so I guess in a wayyou're kind of making creative decisionsoptimize your cooking for that momentyeah I mean I've like never learned howto cook properlybut the way I always do it is I justlike taste it and then I go okay this islike a little bland I should add thisand like I'm familiar with flavors ofyou know different spices and stuff so Igo okay this probably would taste goodif I threw a little bit of this on itand then I just freaking do it and if ittastes like shit then whatever I'llstill eat it yeah I of a freestyle justcook okay Cole probably be like this isnasty so you got to eat it okayI mean I've eaten worse I mean what yeahone of my favorite foods is freakinKraft macaroni and cheese with tuna init so you know oh that's the standard iskind of low so I never had thatcombination before I used to eat it allthe time because my grandma would alwayscook it for us cuz it's like I don'tknow the cheapest freakin meal that youcan make for like a bunch of kids youknow it's like at that time probablyKraft macaroni and cheese was like 50cents and tuna can was like 50 cents orwhatever so it's like a dollar and youmake the whole thing and you can feedlike three kids or four kids or whateverdo you know you're right crap is hellacheap I used to live off of that duringmy college days dude I still eat itand it's because I legitimately like itand it's probably because I ate it as akid and it probably tastes disgusting toeverybody else but I like it but ya knowso yeah anyways my standard of cookingis very low and so if I messed up somefood I'll probably still eat it just Imean unless it's just burnt to shit orsomething which which that's happenedbefore you know genic toast dude nothat's some ghetto shit I mean yeah it'ssome ghetto shit just like this podcastbut ya know I think cooking has a lot ofcreativity in it I mean if you thinkabout all the stuff you can do with foodand how people learn how to do thatI don't know I don't know any other waythey could have figured it out otherthan just playing around with shit youknow what I mean like who knew how tomake what caramel what do you do likeyou cook butter and sugar and like yougot to cook it a certain way and itbecomes that you know and it tasteddelicious who knew that that wouldhappen and when you cook it that way Idon't know they probably just threw itall in a pan and started doing it youknow or whatever I don't know yeah Idon't know how like some people come upwith some of them most wild things likewho knew that people would come up withlike haggis for example yeah I'mstuffing some sheeps stomach with randomstuff or like I guess I don't know howpeople would pick open a durian from atree and just break it nope just spikyfruit and break it open and start eatingit like there's a spiky ass heavy fruitthis looks dangerous it's not likesomething that would kill me if it fallson my head and it smells like throw-uplet's eat it yeah no oh man this isactually a really funny thought becauseI was always like there's so manyfreaking poisonous things in the worldlike how the hell did we figure out notto eat you know that one specificmushroom without trial and error bro youknow some cavemen are just like yo goeat that shit real quick and then likethe dude dies and they're like oh Iguess we can't eat that one like howelse do you figure that out you knowthere's some poisonous ass shit you knowfor sure and there's some foods where ifyou don't cook it the right way thenit's poisonous to you which that's evenwilder to me because then that was likeyo go eat that mushroom real quick oh hedied hey let's try it again but let'scook it hey bro eat this cooked mushroomoh you're alive don't we can eat it ifwe cook it seriously what the hell Idon't know how that happened but that'sit if I had a time machine I'd love tolike go back inside and just see thatmoment when the caveman was like you eatthat much quicknah that's crazy I don't know how peopleeven come up with just even like thisokay like I don't know if you ever usefish sauce during cooking yeah and itdoesn't smell too great it's notsomething that you would drink out ofbut it make it gives that amazing mommyin your food when you add it into yourcooking and I don't know how people comeup with like oh no drying a bunch ofanchovies or I get a big-ass barrelright like that's how they cook it orthey make it it's like a bunch of fishjust in a barrel with what like vinegaror something I don't know like hellasalt so I'm Sonia and I don't just clickall the drippings and that just becomesyour fish sauce and yeah it's crazy howsomething with such a strong pungentsmell can make your food like wow andactually some of it is made with likesquid or something right or some kind oflike non fish oh I'm pretty sure some ofthem put like a squid or something youknow I wouldn't be surprised yeah Idon't know that's crazy how people thinkof this stuff back dead yeah I mean fishsauce in general I'm like I wonder ifwhat they did was they just like triedto pickle the fish and they fucked upand they're like yo we're not gonna eatthis fish but this sauce smells kind ofgood let's throw it in our food let'sthrow it in our bland ass food to makeit taste better or you know what maybethey did pickle the fish and the fishwas good but they ran out of the fishand then they're like oh we still need ayou know we need to eat all we have isrice let's pour this fucking sauce on itso it tastes better I mean but that'screativity right they're like dude youknow we fucked up pickling let's try tosee what happensso that's dope so uh how have you takenany like cooking classes or you justkind of figure it out on you on your ownI know Vince is kind of like a he cookshe cooks a lot and I don't he I don'tthink he take took any classes but hewatches a lot of YouTube videos andlearns how to cook from YouTube no Ijust only took like one semester cookingclassduring high school just to get startedand I just learned from my mom growingup so it's all just like informallearning here and there and I justbasically copy off for YouTube videosnowadays just yeah I can't like kind offigure out like this sort of patternbetween like a lot of those videos sothat's how I got startedyeah that's tight so have you ever likecooked a big meal like a Thanksgivingmeal or something for a bunch of peopleit was just kind of a hobby I guess uhbiggest call people I made food for wasyes for my R&D department in my currentcompany and every Ally doing a potluckso I just made like hella Vietnamesespring rolls and as a prettylabor-intensive because you have to likeyou got to cook the pork you got to cookthe shrimp now you got to cut thevegetables now you have to roll everyindividual roll and I probably roll likeI think maybe 40 rows 40 doesn't soundlike much no it takes hella long yeah soI'll show you when you fuck one up andyou're like oh can't make can't give himthis one you gotta keep going if I didthat you know what I would have done isI would have had all the ingredients andthen I would have just had the littlerolls and be like yo just take that dipit in the water and then you roll ityourself you motherfucker I doing thisfor youhey I've made all this food for youthere's a little picked up grabinstruction how to roll your own food doyou not want even do that I would justgo like yeah watch me real quick Booproll all right you're on your own dudeI'm out peace I'm gonna go eat somethingelse oh yeah that's a good way to goabout it have have people figure it outyeah have them figure it out becausesomebody had to figure it out okay socook so cooking um do you have any otherhobbies um that's not a hobby which is Idon't actively practice it I do likedrawing or paintingI took one dose it was a group on takingclasses so are those paint Knights ohyeah yeah like where you drink you getdrunk or whatever in paint yeah exactlyexcept the one I had didn't really havedrink spa I mean usually salon does winein Cape nights and9 - wine bye anyways because I've alwaysdone pain during high school I was likewhy am i first creative outlets - so Iwould say yeah I'm in - I'm not gonnasay I'm takasi or anything but that'sthat's not a creative outlet that I hadin the pastthat's Heights oh so have you done anypaintings recently I would say likeabout two weeks ago okaydid went to like one of those paidnights okay that's pretty dope to justreally explore the something that I'vedone in the past yeah yeah yeah I usedto paint all the time my mom she'sreally into acrylic painting she and sheused to be into like oil painting nowshe does a lot of watercolors too butyou know from a young age she taught mehow to paint and so uh I used to paintall the time so I did this probably 10years ago I made this one I don't knowthis was recent because I started thispodcast and I was like oh I need africkin logo I think I got drunk andpainted this and then that one I don'tremember when I painted that that wasmaybe like a year ago I don't know Idon't really paint too often thoughthose ones over there damn those propthose are oldest fuck actually those areprobably ten years old - and then I havea lot of even older stuff at my parentshouseall right I like painting but I justdon't have a lot of time to do it it'skind of messy - and like back in the daywho I used to do is I would throw acanvas on my bed and I would paint on itcuz I didn't have like a you know aplace to like paint mm-hmm so just usemy bed dad like she has like think sothere's like I have these old sheets andstuff they have like paint all over thembecause I would paint on my beddank cuz I didn't give up here do thissome real bro yeah I live this life dudeI still have those sheets by the way andI actually use themso that's some real broke bullshit butyes I used to paint all the time andyeah I would actually do it a lot moreoften if I had more time more recentlyI've been into mic music production andit's mainly because it's a skill setI've never had before other than I kindof knew how to play piano a little bitbut I'm not good at or anything um soI've been getting more into that butpainting has been a part of my lifesince I was a kiddrawing too and I used to do uh ceramicsas well but I haven't done that in avery very long time actually you've beenexposed to art for like your most ofyour life dead there's a lot ofcreatives in my family I mean my momagain is an art an artist and she's aart teacher and then my dad you knowhe's you know he makes a lot offurniture and so in a way it's he's anartist with wood my grandpa on my mom'sside he's kind of the same way he's acarpenter he made a lot of friends hereand stuff so uh you know and he he's avery creative person because he wouldyou know he could you know he he has thebroke boy mentality to you I mean but Imean he he because he lit he came fromlike war times and stuff he's from fromGermany he was an immigrant in Americahe came here with like not much moneyand stuff so he had to make shit happenso in lieu of not having money to dosomething it was like he had to figureout a way to do it you know and so yougot to have some creativity creativityto make that happen so I've just beensurrounded by that a lot in my life so Idon't know I think that's probably whyI'm so interested in so many creativeoutlets and maybe see the creativity inother things that aren't traditionallylabeled as creative endeavors but youfeel like a lot of those past creativediverse kind of help shape your I guessyour minds framework and when youapproach to breaking because I rememberyou would tell me you bepracticing in your living room just onthe floor just figure out how to go frompoint A to point B differently ya knowit definitely does because I meanthere's an argument to be made thatcreativity is itself just a skill youknow not just in this specific topic orwhatever it's a skill because in a wayyou have to turn a piece of your mind onin a certain way and apply that toanything just like you would have to dowith with like any kind of skill interms of you know building somethingwith your hands you need to you need tohave certain skills to do that rightsame thing I think with creativity isyou need to have you need to have skillsto turn on this piece of your brain todo it and I think if you can do it wellin one thing say breaking I think youcan also probably do it well in otherthings and that's why I think it's beeneasy for me to pick up a lot of things Imean mainly I mean because I started asan artist a painter and I then I gotinto breaking and I think a lot of thoseskills transferred into breaking sobreaking I mean not that it was easy tolearn because it takes a lot of skill tolike pick up on the the the athletics ofit but once I got to that point and theAthletics became easy I think everythingjust started making everything startedclicking more together because now Icould apply this creative creativitythat I've always you know been a it'salways been a part of my life into thisnew thing and the same thing with musicproduction and you know not that I'mgood at it or anything but like ilearning more about music theory andstuff it's just giving me more tools toplay with and then that part of my brainthat lets me play which is creativityboom it just happens i think and so soyou feel like a lot of those actuallyit's kind of started making yourcreativity muscles like get buffer andbufferyeah I guess yeah it's uh yeah I don'tknow it it's is such a weird thing to mebecause cuz yeah people will ask me likewhat how how the hell did you do thisand it's always just it's creativity tome is a broke boy mentality it's likealright here you have these tools nowwhat can you do with it and a lot ofpeople would be like oh I need moretools to do something but I feel like abroke boy would be like well I need todo this so alright all I have is thismicrophone this empty thing of coffeeand this piece of paper let's make afucking podcast bruh you know what Imean so it's like just make it hat thatit's just like make make it happen youknow and then as you refine your toolsmaybe get more tools you come back makeit better make it better make it betterI don't know I guess it kind of fallsAnette on the whole problem solving kindof mindset yeah holla dad it is aproblem-solving mindset for sure it itvery much is because um you know I thinkif you looked at any art endeavor let'ssay a painting you have this picture inyour mind let's see what let's see whatI can do a lot of times you startdrawing or painting or whatever and itcomes out a little differently than whatis in your mind but then you go ohactually I like this let's play aroundwith this a little bit more boom let'skeep playing around and so you're it'sit's like a process of playing and doingat the same time in a way you know Idon't know creativity is a veryinteresting subject to me and that'swhat that's that's why I like talking toother creatives and that's why I madethis podcast to talk to other creativesto kind of more understand that processyou know I'm not like an expert on it oranything I mean I would say I'm not aexpert at allI just know my own process and I thinkthat other people's processes can helpme better refine my own process andhopefully help other people to ifthey're listening so anyways I thinkthat's a good discussion we're hittingthe one hour mark at this point so wecan probably close the show up prettysoon um let's see I got a bunch ofquestions here uh is there anything elseyou want to say before we close out theshow no I'm pretty much good to goactually um well thank you guys forlistening let me set this show up so wecan turn it off because it's a littlebit bad you two bronies hit the jackpot[Laughter]thank you guys for listening um this hasbeen noise of the broke boys with myfriend clawis there any way what's your Instagramand everything where do people where canpeople find you so people can find me atmy Instagram called a quality sesh sothat's KH o al ity SE sh t seshwhat a sesh it's just a short version ofthe word session so that if scream wasintended just to capture all my practiceclips or my breaking clips thoughbecause I it just become kind ofcumbersome of the switch back andforward to my own Instagram accountI decided users that's my primaryInstagram account so I'm pretty surepeople are just clicking around clickingon following my old account and I justnever really likedcheck or update it so you want to followme pleasebut a quality sesh follow him qualitysesh alright thanks for having forshowing up man thank you for having meand fuck you for being late alrightthanks for watching thanks for listeningsorry the show sucks peace[Music][Music]you[Music] 

Peter of Uncomfortably Fresh Crew, sits down to discuss the therapeutic benefits of breaking and mental strength it can build. Follow @Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoiseListen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoysA broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form. ----more----[Music]today's episode of noise of the brokevoice is brought to you by socialdistancing is there a dangerous zombieapocalypse pandemic going on outside oryou a pseudo intelligent anti geniusthat believes drinking Clorox will cureyou of your ignorance and deplorablepersonality either way social distancingshould be your first line of defenseagainst the dangers of these thingsremember to keep six feet away from allpeople and always wear a face coveringthis will not only keep you both safefrom transferring harmful contagiousdiseases but it will allow you toconceal your unsightly personality forthose of you already acting in a carefulrespectful and responsible way thank youplease carry on and stay safe and now onto the show[Music]in today's episode I sit down with mygood friend peter dinh we both attendedUC Davis at the same time and have beenfriends and training partners ever sincemeeting he currently works as anassociate marriage and family therapistin Sacramento California helping allsorts of folks in the area please enjoythe episode what's up Peter how youdoing thanks for having me overyeah I know I haven't seen you a minuteat least since I've got married yeahactive would you say that you're in thelike scale of one to ten ten being likeyou're the other one throwing all theSilverbacks or something like that likewhat level involvement you think you arethere it's in the breaking scene yeah ohdang dude it's low it's probably belowfive okay but I don't think that's agood thing but I think it's just kind ofhow my life has put me because I'm likeolder at this point I've you know I meanwhen I was younglet's say 18 there wasn't really anybodymy age now 32 that was really still inthe scene maybe like a few people veryfew handful now that I'm this agethere's a lot more of us all right umbut I guess and I don't know why that isbut I think maybe it comes from beingthe whole community being a little moreconnected through social media andwhatnot yeah but um I guess being beingused to that and I guess being at theage where there's you got a lot of stuffgoing on in your life breaking somerelease the breaking scene kind of takesa backseat to a lot of that stuff notthat breaking is not a big part of mylife because I go and practice veryreligiously all the time and but I treatit more as like therapy exercise and away to stay in shape and a way to likereally stretch my creative mind ratherthantrained my skills to like be the bestand battle everybody and so I've alwaysyeah I've always treated breaking aslike this kind of mental exercise tokind of fix all the holes in my life ina way I mean there's obviously holes ineverybody's life all over the placeand me as a as an engineer someone whoworks in in in that kind of world youstretch your brain completelydifferently then then as a creativedancer and so the holes that that leavesin me breaking always fills and it itobviously feels a lot more than that tooI mean if my if my job was to break Iwould need something to fill in theholes which you know academicsengineering mathematics stuff like thatyeah nerdy type of stuff that fills inthose holes and so I think it's a goodmarriage of of activities yeah um butbut anyway so I've always used brakingas kind of like a therapeutic exerciseand that's a lot of why I wanted to talkto you because I think there's a lot oftherapy in using creative endeavors toto heal and maybe maintain your mentalrelationship or you know I don't knowyour your health yeah I would definitelyagree with that what I noticed whatbreaking I use it for some similarthings you say some of - and I love thisword I know you know I have to say thatall day breaking grounds me for anyonethat breaks it that also refers toground power yeah yeah but um in thesense where would tell me a few thingsyou know about mindfulness again I guesswhatever you know well I guess what'syour definition of mindfulness I guessthat you're going forward yeah so let mehear yours like one thing you know aboutmindfulness ismmm I mean uh probably the first thingthat comes to mind would be say withoutsaying mindfulness is uh being aware ofsomething and yeah I guess keeping it inthe forefront of your brain yeah yeahbeing being aware of what's going onright now many times like or I canimagine people being stuck in theirminds breaking in life where I gotta dothis I gotta do this damn I don't havethis man when I was youngerI'm used to could do this blah blah blahor later I can't wait till I have thisand when I'm breaking I don't have timefor that because I have to be present orelse what do we say we used to practicethat David hey just just don't die likea stick that or you'll probably die likeI know I know that was extreme of us tosay it but it made sense and it made yougo for the gusto though yeah it made yougo for the gusto and then it it it putme in a position where I had to be ifnot a hundred percent like 90 is it'sthe high 190s percentile that's that'shigh eighty ninety per se in thosehigher higher percentiles of awarenessand where awareness is awareness in thebody like in in my practice many peoplecome in clients come in and they're intheir minds yeah or their minds arethinking over thinking I got to do thisagain I have to do this I'm not doingthis I want to be this well when you'rein your body you can only be aware ofhow things taste so if you eat shit whenyou crash your move oh you know whatthat tastes likemy wrist so my wrists and shoulders feela lot of pain so being cognizant of oohthat hurts my wristmy shoulder let's not do that let's easethat how can I do that more effectivelymusic that sound right away look I haveto be present is there a beat there do Iwant to be offbeat like you making allthese choices so we talked about hearingso far we talked about our our what doyou call touch Oh touch I yeah we'reabout touch and then you worry aboutsight your dusters like your spatialawareness right we're battling who areabout who do we see where do I see myfoot in relation to in my chest myeverything so that's on that's that'sthree senses I don't know how you fittaste in taste in but maybe it may bethe taste of victory I don't know andthen so I'm what's the last one let'ssee we have sight and smell yeah yousmell them stink ass yeah becausebecause you you know when we stress wedo to stress sweat yeah yeah you're likeoh yeah yeah so maybe tason's 1000aren't exactly in there but yeah what'stherapeutic what can be therapy about itis you have to be present mm-hmm ittakes you out of your mind so thatthat's that's yeah beauty productsactually one thing I think this connectsto this is uh it was something that pollone told me was uh that the reason helikes the word b-boy is because you'reletting your inner child come out toplay you're not a B man even if you'reyou know I think what how old is he 40something yeah he's he's a man but he'snot a B man he's a b-boy because he'staking himself out of his adultresponsibilities and saying let my innerchild come out to play oh and that's mygod that's what kind of like helps himkind of patch up everything in his lifeI think and that's think that's reallyinteresting and and it's about beingnovel right like you find the and whofind things novel kids yeah oh my goshif these boys be girls Ohthat was amazing no you know this kindof ties into like a lot of the work thatVince does Vince being my brother um whohas his YouTube channel he teaches ineverything a lot of the people heteaches are like special-needs kids yeahand some of the most interesting thingsthat he says is that a lot of these kidsyou know they got troubled lives inwhatever a lot of difficulties at homeand stuff and they can easily go down abad path without the right you knowmentors around them and he finds thatsome of the most interesting thing thathappened is he he lets them just be kidsin his classes he's like you know here'shere's what breaking is here's somemusic to dance to here's some moves I'mshowing you the tools how to do it nowhere I'm gonna play some music you guysgo on that side these guys go on thisside and you guys are gonna battle andjust have fun don't worry don't thinktoo much about it if you want to try andmove do it if you want to do a new movedo it if you don't want to do any ofthose moves and do something else justgo for it let your inner child play andthey're out there doing that having thetime of their lives and then he saysthey go home and he's finding that a lotof their home life is kind of beingsolved by that in a way a lot of a lotof things at home still need to getfixed but at least the difficulties thatthey're carrying over into school that'smaking them maybe not do so well inschool those things are getting solvedbecause they they're there they'rehaving a great time coming to schoolbecause they know that not only are theygonna learn a lot they're also gonna getto play let their inner child play - andit encouraged for them to do that it'sencouraged to let their creativity comeout um let's listen like mess up - itlets the mess up yeah yeah I think we'relike I don't really like this andthey're practicing your voice overbecause when you're in a dance flooryou're constantly making choice you knowand yeah I think so I think failurecreativity are all very tied togetherand I think kids learning failure orand understanding that failure is not asbad as people make it out to beeventually a good thing and it's anecessary part of the possibility tolearn it so yes necessary part of theprocess is a good skill to learn andwhat do you know they're not learning itthrough anything else at school ortraditional school they're learning isthrough breakdancing yeah because laywhat they're do playing yeah exactlythey're coming to school playing andbeing encouraged to let let their mindwander let that body wander to cool newdimensions that they didn't know existedand they're encouraged to do that andwhen they fall down you know one of thecool things about braking is you a lotof moves come from falling down yeah ohlike oh man I fell down but it kind oflooked cool let me do that so it doesn'thurt next time yeah so then you do thatand you're like well yeah I fell andlearned a new move now I don't and itteaches them how to reflect on thatskill like okay that hurt this jokeactually with people cuz they asked meyou know you got an interesting stylewhat do you call itand I I always thought that that was adumb question but then I actuallystarted goofing around and making a jokeabout it and saying I call it floppingcuz it's like taking your flops andflowing with them and essentially I'vejust built my whole style from that ohyeah I mean hopefully it doesn't alllook like a flop but it's like you'restill in my book and whoever wellbecause when you're at Davis wenicknamed you the ultimate flopper Idon't know if you ever remember that butyeah you're the oats me a flopper likeerr flopshe went for an air flare he didn't hitit but he didn't crash and it was likebut and then you do that and then youturned it into a different move and thenyou just kind of went with it now it'sits own moves yeah no you do it enoughand then people recognize that that'swhat he does and then you keep trainingand actually learn how to air flare andnow you got two moves you got that airflop and the air flare yeah I got twomoves and it all came fromletting your mind wander and also hardwork so yeah the spirit of play man likeyeah I can't stress that enough and Ialso understand how scary it is thoughit is scary it's like too playful yeahand then well us as adults I mean Ican't speak urged as an adult yeah -well yet to failyes discourage as an adult I mean Ithink a lot of the adult world is set upto discourage creativity yeah go to workand you go oh I want to do I want to trysomething new no stick by the book it'smore efficient it's more profitable todo it yeah it's tried-and-true when it'snot true that's crazy yeah and and in away the business model works well withthat yeah but I think it also damageswhich are us personnel yeah yeah peopledoing the job it does us real quickdulls you yeah yeah whereas yourcreativity lets you use your knowledge -dude cool new things and like maybe gaina better understanding of stuff I meanlike I said my style is built fromflopping and flowing out of it flowingfrom flopping yeah and and by I guess bydoing that I was I think it's it's likeI'm in Courage I'm encouraging myself toexplore yeah things and then buildsomething yeah exploration man that'swhat that's that's why - whoever came tous and stuff there right just explorethe frontiers and we're exploring thefrontiers of our bodies or our minds nowit's going super vague but it make itmake sense it makes sense do with theadult world you said earlier that umwhen we were younger there weren't manypeople past 30 that were breaking likeyeah yeah how is that like what goes onthrough your mind when you're thinkingthat we got like Morris gravity us likejust still going whether or not we'recompeting but there's we're still goingour practice still this is the callthose guys from Japan and their 40sstill hitting like the craziest powerlike I think it's because of raisingdude breaking is I mean it obviouslyit's an art form but along with artforms come yet the the quest to expressyourself and that is deeply rooted in usas human beings this is something thatwe've always I think you get to an ageand you're like oh I don't necessarilywant to compete anymore but I also can'tget away from this thing because it's itprovides this outlet that I need in mylifeas a as therapy ER you know or yeah it'sit's just it's part of my life to reallylike keep my life together and I mean Ican't imagine myself not breaking mm-hmmyou know if I wasn't breaking there'd bea lot of holes to fill I'm yeah cuz youknow I like I love moving around andstuff so I need to have something thatfills that hole I need something thatfills my creativity hole yeah maybe it'spainting or making music or whatever butyeah I mean the I think breakingbeautifully like collects all that stufftogether yeah you keep mentioning thingsabout holes and so that got me wonderingwhat is breaking filling for me exactlyI wanted to say something likecreativity because honestly that soundsfucking cool and now thinking about itbecause I practices first I think of itas discipline for myself because yeahyeah cuz yeah some martial art dude itreally is I mean like what's it I don'tactually know nothing of them Martinmartial art I don't really know thedefinition of thatI don't even know what Marshall means Ithink it comes from like military ohyeah I mean cuz it's it's like combatokay and it's I guess it's the art ofcombat really but when you select I meanI'm kind of I'm I'm not saying martialart as if it really is one but it's sodamn similar yeah like it takesdiscipline it takes practice and well Iknow when I go to practice there'sthere's a few sets and sometimes Ihaven't said I just go there and I justpractice my power moves like just andsometimes I don't do combos and likeright now the last three months I meanor however long we talked to jihad and Italked to Alex and I'm only training myflares that's it and then knowing thatI'm going in there and doing that overand over and over I know there's peoplethat come to me like you hope you canget so much better you're doing thisdoing this and then it's giving me theOperato practice and doing the same thingover and over and over is giving me theopportunity to one show myself that I amable to discipline myself show myselfthat when someone comes over and Irespect them and say hey yo Peter youshould do this to be a better b-boy andthen I can say no I'm yeah yeah I'mpracticing saying no and doing and italso gives me a chance to give a fuckabout what I want to give a fuck aboutcuz yeah we don't have that many fucksto give no it's a it's a finite amountto find out about everyone and you losemore and more every year yeah I meanit's a finite amount of like againyeah only gives say five every day yeahand then you only have a limited amountof days so it's yeah it's ticking downso really I mean I really I thinkcalling it a fuck is funny but think ofthat as like currency yeah you have abank yeah and it doesn't get reallyreplenished that much currency it's funyeah the currency of the flux of givingfucks yeah dude like yeah yeah like youjust gave me the the visualization thatwhen I was younger I have so many I givea fuck about so many thing and all thosefucks the font is timesRowman and as the years went by theamount of fucks decreased and the fontgot cooler so I went a little bit toocomics says the militant gothic now Inow I think I'm at like Arial black likeit's simple but not too simple as stilla little a little professional you saidit's a little professional is a littlefun that wasn't my idea by the way thatwas that I think Marc Manson the subtleart of not giving a fuck I just oh yeahyeah yeah it's a funny book dude yeah noI want to read that book yes I said itto you what was I going to say yes so Iused to do martial arts a long time agoI did Taekwondo for about ten yearsbefore I ever braked and one of thereasons I stopped doing that I mean Ialways loved it but I got to a pointwhere it felt like such a thing whereeveryone was telling me what I needed todo what I have to do huh and that waswhen I and I used to skateboard I meanwhich you know that the world ofskateboarding is very like antieverything like do whatever accountincluded well yeah it's countercultureit's and I always was really drawn tothat but it it didn't quite fill all thevoids for me and then when I foundbreaking I was like this fills everyvoid for me and it's very countercultureit's encouraged to do whatever the hellI want and so where martial arts wasfailing me a little bit Breaking filledthat void and this was before I thinkmixed martial arts was really up in thescene because I know mixed martial artsnow they're like okay now what yeah iseffective and I think that's more sowhat I wanted to go towards but I thinkbreaking offered me a lot of creativitybecause it was just like now I'm cominginto a world where there's a move youknow like say I just crashed and made itinI said all that crash kind of looks coollet me try to make it yeah and I justkeep working at it practicing itpracticing it and now it's a move thatnever existed before yeah so it createdthis let me make it made me let me makestuff much like how painting is yeah butit's an active thing where I can get outthat freaking like you know young managgression out onto something and so itreally filled in all the holes for meand that's what drew me to it and solike once I found it and I found thegroup of people I wanted to do it with Iwas just like do you I don't know if Ican keep doing martial arts because thisis what I want to do is breaking this isa this is the real martial art from meyeah it's you know I mean I was nevertoo into fighting always like you know Ialways thought that violence was not sogood but I liked martial arts because itat least teaches you how to handle asituation yeah but for the for the mostpart I don't want it I don't want it toeven go to that point I don't want toget violent and so when I saw breaking Iwas like you know what this is givingyou that combat relationship in a battlebut you're not throwing hands at peopleno one's in danger I mean obviously backin the day there used to be somesituations where people were fightingand stuff but I don't encourage that butI think having a competitiveness betweentwo people or two groups of people is agood thing to have it provided that forme yeah that's what I was drawn to andso like I just kept going with it andI'm still in love with it as I was backthen yeah I'm not so into the scene as Iwas before and that's you know obviouslybecause I have different things in mylife and I'm a I can't dedicate as muchtime to competing in whatever yourrelationship to breaking has off toanother city evolved to something elseyeah but very much so my love for it isthe same yeah in fact it's bigger yeahit's a it's a more nuanced to love nowyeah I guess it's not so once onevariable anymore like whenwhen anyone I mean I noticed when Ithink Jordan Peterson said it anyone canmake an argument from one variable Ilove breaking because it's this mmm Ilove breaking because it's this butthere's multiple variables yeah when youget to the point where you're like oh mygosh I hate it I love itbreaking makes me sad it also makes mehappy it turns me on turns me off breaksme up teaches me thingsteach me bad things and bad habits butit's all of that like there is notthere's lots of things to tweak in itit's it's a multivariate thing as as ismany things in life and also everythingeverything and everything and everythingworth doing is probably like that yeahand then to be able to step back and gowhoaas much as long as we've we've been inthis dance for like over a decadealready approaching to decade yeah yeahoh okay thanks for making me feel datedanyway oh yeah I'll try to be all likehow you are with it I don't really countyears but then somebody asked merecently like how long I've beenbreaking I was like and you just give myage but yeah right and then I startedcounting like dude it's like almost 20years yeah for me it's 15 inch 15 16 isit no dude cuz I didn't start reallyuntil 2002 2001 so like I came toys youknow cuz that's like I started and I wasaround 50 so it's like I mean I'm 30 I'm33 hold itit's like 17 18 years you know just likeI'm trying to keep myself young alrightno holy crap yeah it's 1780 yeah westarted around the same time yeahoh my gosh right but I think y'all thesame thing that happened to me when Iwas like oh you haven't braking like tenyears in the like way no that doesn'tmake any senseno that still doesn't make any sense ohmy god it's like not too many years offof 20 like it really is it oh my godyeah yeah you know and I'm not trying tosay that we're some kind of old geezersI still feel when people say like ohyou're old school I'm like no I'm middleschool of anything and I stay there likejust that's it I'm just me I'm nottrying to be an OG and I mean in a wayI'm not even like looking for respectreally I've always just wanted to do ityeah that's just and that's where therespect comes from yeah like I have my Ihave my ideas about breaking but itagain when I notice with like with mycrew uncomfortably fresh whatever wetalk about it's it can be connected tobreaking but we focus on life skills ifwhen you practiceare you disciplined when you're enteringjams or you doing a move is itintentional can you reflect back andthink about what you said earlier occurits effectiveness and then when youthink about effectiveness what thing isthat what are you trying to be effectiveat for me personally it's I think it'seffective when things don't hurt likeit's an age thing for me I know somepeople say eight like I don't thinkabout age age age is just a number I Ican understand where it's coming fromthat no matter how old you get you cando things I also believe in balance andI need to I need to know the limitationsof age so I can effectively do what Iwant to do I can't just Huck and chuckanymore now I have to I have to rely onangles way more than I have said beforelike it's taught you how to be moreprecise with ityes very that's what I've learned yeahI've always thought of myself assomewhat precise but it wasn't till Mikemore recently that like because of allthese injuries I've gathered throughthrough my life it makes it hard to do alot of stuff and it forced me to reallylike think of every little position thatI'm putting my knees my elbows myshoulders so that I don't injure myselfand so what I found myself doing isrunning through all the moves I haveslowly mm-hmm feck ting every angle thendoing it a little bit faster doing it alittle faster and then you know kind oflike doing it atthe speed is supposed to be at and justbeing very mindful of that and over theyears of just doing that building habitsabout that it's helped me really um inbetter precision and fine-tunedfine-tuned yet you are now a high-endyeah you're not not some one of myfriends um Joey chaotic I know I knowyeah I was practicing with him it waslike hope we used to go but he called mea ninja he's like do you brake silentlyyou do because you slip and slide yeahit's like I slide around and I'm I'vealways been very like careful aboutwhere I'm putting my foot veryintentional yeah very intentional and Ididn't really notice that until he saidthat and I was like oh yeah and actuallythat's the thing that I've really beenworking on not to be silent but to beprecise and the silence kind of camewith that yes I thought it was reallyfunny that's when you know you do iteffectively because look at trickersthere's there some that's like boom boomboom triple but then some years likeyou're like dude is he not floating ishe not punching the ground because howthe hell's he gain that much height he'sjust learned to hone his like motormaybe yeah he has that gravity belt onmaybe he took off his 23 pound ankleweights or whatever he came from thefuture where they have actual gravitybelts and just came to the pass and waslike I'm gonna yeah he has like he hashelium has helium suppository pills inhis ass yeah and then it was like ohshoot I'm going too high so he'llsqueeze his ass little whorish pinkthere so pop one dude like like on thosethings about doing things are pastsuperhuman limits I know someone atthere are some of that practice atdynasty and I respect what he says it'sreally awesome you mentioned thingsabout like um no limits like there's nolimits to the human this and that andthis and that I respect that view whensomeone says we have no limitsI also see a side where there's a beautyto limits because like the other daywith like or latter time me you and liveextent and when you know your limit youget creative and the prime the primeexample I news and I know not everyonegets it but I think you might the SuperNintendo that is Mike that my go to theyare only 16-bit if it's anything elsebecause someone correct me they only16-bit the PlayStation came out whileSuper Nintendo was there and they andwhoever is working to Super Nintendosweat no I want to push it I want topush it and what happened Donkey KongCountry came out killer instinct cameout how the hell did they manage to get3d onto a cartridge they added a chipinto the cartridge that's cool and it'snot true 3d but and they were able tofind a way to mimic 3d like that's whereI think to creativity okay not tocreativity I think a a high level ofcreativity and come from when you areholed into another oneIron Man when he built his mark one suithe didn't have shit right in the moviehe was just good and because it was inthe hole he figured out something trulyamazing because you only had you had toget creative but what was at hand andthen with your injuries you said I gottaget creative I learned backspin becauseof a torn meniscus yeah I couldn't doanything and I was like yeah I was allsad and stuff and then I just like laidon my back it was like well this doesn'thurt and I just started like spinningaround okay I remember that time is crapcuz that time way you're practicing backspins was the time that I tore myrotator cuff and Ivan I never had likelegit windmills cuz I was all flareflare stuff yeah and then you got backsmooth I got windmills I was like dudelike we gotta get creative I need tospin no I need to spin I think thelimitations when you embrace them italmost gets rid of the limit yeahthrough the limitations you surpassedthat limit it's it's it's when youremove the limitation you think well Idon't have anywhere to goyou're aimless or not I mean you yourespect it it's like you recognize itand you go I respect that and so let mefind this way around it in a creativewaybut I'm selecting it it's there like youknow I can't it's something that I haveno control over I'm going to do everyI'm still gonna do what I'm gonna do butI'm respecting it it's there yeah andevery time you get close you push it alittle you're like oh we're pushing ityou're pushing yourself yeah so so maybewhen someone says no limits you knowwhat they're essentially saying the samething it's a more simplified version andit makes sense like to to get your pointacross like what we're talking aboutlike earlier about selling a pitch wegot to keep it simple we got to keep thedetails out so when someone maybe toldme no limits that's the basic form of itbut when we write our 10 page then we gointo all this so yeah we're all sayingthe same thing man like living yesterdaywhen he was saying you just gotta findhis passion he's gotta find his passionso that he can yeah yeah something likethat and I was saying value and then Iwas like remember the thing I said aboutcommunication 65% by language 35%delivery and then 7% content that's whatcommunication is composed of yeah it wascommunication composed up and me and Livexcept he said passion I say value butwe knew what we meant because of thedelivery like we didn't need to correcteach other yeah yeah like we got to apoint like hey we're saying the samething it is got five more minutes leftman how you want to end this when do oure-learning yeah what so can you explainwhat a real a real learning is okay sureso in my practice I usually end mytherapeutic sessions with a realerit's a way to just summarize consolidateeverything that you've talked about inthe last hour hour-and-a-half in oursessions and a gif it helps give yousomething to walk away with it keeps itreasonable it keeps it manageable cuzsometimes when you talk for an hour twohours it's a lot of content you're likehow can I remember all thatbye and this is this is a type ofmeditation to is its type of mindfulnessit hones in on what's important at thetime and I give choices cuz you know weneed a little bit choices and anyone cando this you can do this at home it's ait's an option anyone wants to try itit's a very short form of therapyI mean meditation you just start withone thing I learned or one thing Irelearned or if that's too hard onething I noticed and you start with onething it doesn't have to be the thingthat stuck out the most it doesn't haveto be the most important thing it's justone thing Kurt you want to try it outfirst okay how about we both do it I'lldo mine and then you do yours soundsgoodstart by saying it you're in your mindright now let's get into your body startby saying one thing I one thing Ilearnedis where creativity comes from and thathelped me way and that helped me alignalign my life to be more creative thanksfor that one thing I learned aboutmyself today about what breakingactually means to me is the disciplineand knowing that I didn't use breakingone of the reasons and use breaking as aform of discipline is I feel like I lackand or need it in some areas and bypracticing it and breaking it justspills over into other areas and I and Ionly noticed that after our talk todayso that's pretty nuts yeah yeah I cansecond that for sure I want to changemine here we go okay I'll counter I'llcosign that okay we can cosign yeah andthen the another way that I end sessionin addition to the learning now we evenconsolidate even more Kurt you said itbeautifully when we had coffee thismorning when you're like breaking youwant to make a sentence like there's atopic there's a whatever everything inthere then you realized hey sometimesyou can just say a word you write anessay you read a story sometimes theyjust write a word damn that's one wordyes oh yes unless this ends today'sthing with the a word what's your wordmanhave two words but I'm trying tocondense it into one but I don't know ifthat word exists hey Unni create one heyyou're new it that you can create it youcan hyphenate it it's up to you you gotchoice man it's your choice continuedlearning with a hyphen in the middlecontinue learning continually mine istransparent transparent I see thanks manthanks for having me yeah yeah thanksfor being here this was good dudeyeah no I think we learned a lot andthis is kind of why I wanted to createthis show is to like documentconversations like this naturalconversations about things that we careabout and you know things that we learnfrom and help others maybe learn from ittoo hopefully hopefully people out theregot something from this conversation asI think we both did yeah man thanks alot for that no thank you thank you yeahall right thanks 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Moon, an amazing dancer from Korea, discusses his journey to America and how the language of dance helped him gain friends and family despite not speaking much English.Follow @Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoiseListen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoysA broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.----more----[Music]this episode of noise of the broke boysis brought to you by the Shadow Realmare you and your spouse looking for agreat place to honeymoon you have excessmoney to spend on affordable prime realestate well then you may want toconsider visiting the Shadow Realm thisamazing banishment destination was firstmade famous by the popular children'scard game player ukyo since his rise tofame many have found themselves retiringto the Shadow Realm is the phrase I wantto 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budgetour budget was $5 and unfortunately wespent it all on Moon's haircut and sowithout further ado today I have my goodfriend mr. moon Lee K number one whatelse did you go by go by my name nowyeah I think that's a good decision sowhat's up man how you been good goodgood how are you I'm good dude I've beenyou know working hard trying to makesome stuff happen um with the show andwith my life and whatever and so youknow I know because you and I don't livein the same area anymore we don't get totalk as much and now so it's good tohave you here him so we can like catchup and stuff yeah it's a good catch noyeahum so what I want to talk to you abouttoday is like how you got into hip-hopbecause you know you are originally fromKorea and then you moved out here toAmerica basically to be a dancer and getmore involved in the hip-hop scene rightand I guess I want to I want to hearyour story behind then how you ended upwhere you are today mm-hmm so actually Icame to America 2007 and when I firstcame here how the[Music]came here as a just exchange studentmm-hmm I was gonna just study I wasgonna just learn English here and thegoal was just to learn English hmm andnothing about dance nothing abouthip-hop or nothing about what I do nowhmm because in Korea back in the daywhen I first started dancing and stuffpeople didn't really take this ascourier we didn't have much of jobsrelate to like hip-hop or dance anythingKorean b-boys were very popular backthen I mean still do but still it wasn'tlike their main job they had to worksomewhere else and pursue as a b-boy soit wasn't in my head that I could takethis as my career so it was locking notpopular in Korea definitely not okaydefinitely not popular how I got into itwas um it was type of kind of PE classlike you know you say here um cuzeducation is very important in Asiancountries in general yeah and we stay inschool like almost like 13 14 hours aday so and they put these PE classeslike one or two hours a weeknot even a like a week and I had tochoose indifferent activities and Ichose to learn dance so it wasn't evenlike locking it was just like dance ingeneral and when I first started takingthose classes I got to know aboutpopping and locking mainly so like Idon't even say I knew about hip-hop Iwas more like funk stylesso I was listening to funk musics Ididn't really listen to rap music untillike I came here so I was veryinterested in like funk music yes so youwere you you are introduced to funkmusic from the dancing classes that youtook yes because they'll play thosemusics to learn those foundationslocking foundations and poppingfoundation and was it a lot of likeAmerican funk or was it yeah yeah yeahwe did not we do not have funk musicKorea I think there's Korean funk nowthough yeah like now I mean like evenback then there was similarities but itwasn't for that yeah I guess it's blownup a lot more since you moved yes yesyes yes so that's how I got into it andso it was just in a way of hoppy likekind of way of kinda let the stress outyeah all those studying and staying inschool for how many hours studying inKorea sounds really crazy yes it'spretty intensemy high school we started 7 a.m. and weand like around 11 p.m. so what the heckso like it's pretty it's pretty intenseyou don't do anything except go toschool then pretty much but because it'sso competitive like some students wouldgo to like other places even study morewhat the heck so because it's reallyhard to get into universities andcolleges in Korea so that's just how itis now I know that's pretty crazy thingbecause I know how Americans are but youknow we only know what we have so I hadno idea that was pretty crazyyeah that sounds crazy to me I mean dangbecause typical school for an Americankidhigh school kid I guess we would startseven thirty or something and they wouldgo to like maybe three thirty orsomething you usually have six classesand there are all hour long and then youknow whatever break between them andwhatever we have like seven eightclasses to you know like classes arepretty similar but we just have to staythere to study your own that's crazyyes like they force you to study yourown man I would go home in high school Iwould just go home well I was doingmartial arts back then so I would gostraight to the studio take some classesor whatever or train and then I would gohome and do my homework as I watch TVand I mean like I half-assed all myhomework honestly but I got good gradesactually yeah but that lifestyle endsfor us around like 11 - oh reallylike that's that's it after that youhave to study but back into the topic sofor me because I was getting a lot ofstress you know like lifestyle in aKorean educational lifestyle so dancereally came to me as like outlet ofreleasing my stress mm-hmm so whether Iknew it or not it was becoming my in away my love because it was so stressfuland that was the only thing that I likedand those one hour two hours of a weekwas very special to mehmm so I just fed in love with thatwhole culture I didn't know what hip-hopwas at all and all I knew was just bumpstiles funk cultures so like my favoriteartists were like definitely James BrownBT Express you know like those oldschool school bandsgap band you know whatnotso and I thought America would love bunkstill - yeah so when I first came here20 years 30 years before that yeah yeahI got I had no idea was like back in thebase stuff like I thought people willstill love funk music people will stilldo the line dances you know like thosethose were my expectations yeah I meanpeople still do it but it's not as likebut not our age yes you know they areout there doing the whatever this shityeah yeah we can floss dance and stuffmm-hmmso that's that's how I got into in a wayof hip-hop but I wouldn't still sayhip-hop because um I was kind of gainstto 2007 modern hip hop's mmm so like Iwouldn't listen Lil Wayne out of listento jay-z like I wouldn't listen to themto me like James Brown is my you knowsyeah yeah yeah yeahso ya know I was actually the same way Iwas really into funk music - and a lotof the hip-hop I would listen to I waslike oh this it's cool like I like itbut there's something magical to the thefunk styles that actually influencedthese hip-hop artists I mean obviouslyhip-hop has its own magic behind it toobut it was just like I guess I mean whatdrew me into hip-hop was that you werelike making your own thing out of thispre-existing stuff that and you wouldget your inspiration from it and so Igot deep into like funk music soul musicand stuff and jazz music and so I wasreally into that and then a lot of thenew hip hop artists I was like I don'teven know who they are and so I didn'tstart listening to them till a littlebit later I mean I would listen to themoccasionally like jay-z Tupac and peoplelike that I used to be really big intoDell back then but yeah I mean I thatdefinitely came after the phone againstall kick that I was on mm-hmm and thatwas around like high school mm-hmmbut going back to like what you'retalking before you said that dance waslike a stress relief kind of thing foryou what yeah what do you think why doyou think that is like what about itrelieved the stress to youI think first because we didn't like Ididn't have much of activities likephysical activities so that's definitelylike main reason why it kind of likegave me a lot of freedom and likerelease he's like I'll be sitting downlike hours of day and that typical hourI cannot even sit you know like I haveto let it out and I have to like listento music and I had to basically move youknow so like that was definitely reasonwhy I think was that like the only timeyou got to actually listen to music no Iwill listen to Korean music so you knowlike now kpop is popular one that but Iwas listening to you know like when youstudy your own like you yeah yeah soyeah I will listen to music butphysically doing something with my bodywith music yeah that was differentyeah definitely it's yeah okay so yeahso it was I guess it yeah is thephysical activity mixed with this thismusic this hypnotic kind of like musicthat helped to relieve your stress andso did you do you think that that likeinspired your creativity to and that hadsomething to do with it um at the momentI did not know yeah but later now Ithink about it yes I think it did andthen it kind of like enhanced my likecreativity you know like my art form andwhatnot so like it you know it helped mea lot yeah I have like a theory thatthat music and I guess kind of tiprepetitive type sounds um it triggerssomething in our brains to make uslike turn off the thinking part of yourbrain and turn on the more likeinstinctual part of your brain which isto make you move usually you know likelike in instance of like you hear a bigsound you go and you run mm-hmm I thinkthat somehow repetitive music clicks onthat part of your brain but instead ofyou running and being scared or whateverit's like going oh no this isn't afearful time this is a time to becreative mm-hmm and so I think in thesame way that your instinct tells you torun it's now your instinct is tellingyou okay let we're not in danger anymorewe can do we can do some cool thingswith with our mind and our body to youknow hopefully like instill our survivalor whatever you know and so you know I'mnot some kind of scientist that knowsanything about this but that's just mytheory because it seems like thathappens to everybody you know wheneverthey are like painting or whateverwriting a lot of people will put onmusic and it just gets them into thisnew world where they can like shut off alittle part of their brain and turn on anew part of their brain yeah yeah youknow I guess just shut off what is itthe right side of your brain and turn onthe left side the mhmmm that's youranalytical side to your your artisticside mm-hmm so yeah I think somehow thatthat is involved with dancing and andwhy we're drawn to it it's like sosomewhat of a human instinct to want todo it yeah yeah you know you see littlekids dancing around doing that I don'tnotice your kid actually do that sheactually she actually dances she lovesmusic um you know like it's in theirblood it's in their blood her mybrother-in-law is music producer oh yeahso like we yeah we like shout out toRudi shout out the rule are you oh yeahwe yeah we try to feed her like goopmusics and like you know different dancemoves try to like show her differentdance moves andit's kind of amazing how this youngtoddlers they just move freely yeah youknow it's like amazing to see to methat's hip-hop when I see that cuz it'slike before hip-hop was even deemedhip-hop right before it ever had a namewhat was it it was people at like adance party just having fun yeah it waslike oh I like this part of the song orlike it looks like all the people anddanced for like this song let me playthat part of the song again dude it andthat's what a break was and then allthese people are just dancing and thenall of a sudden they just lose theirmind and jump on the floor and that wasbreaking yep and so when I see a littlekid do the same thing you know when Idon't know you know some song old townroad or whatever song on the radio andthe little kid starts dancing androlling around on the ground I'm likedude that is breaking right there that'ship-hop that's like we built up thewhole culture of breaking and hip-hopdance styles from that exact emotion Ilike seeing that and it seems to me likeit's the best argument that hip-hop islike is like a very deep instinctualthing for yeah human beings beings yeahso the next thing I wanted to talk toyou about is so like once you came toAmerica like how how did it feel comingto America and like integrating into ourculture and like what was thedifferences between here in Korea I knowyou talked about school and stuff butwhat else like cuz it seems like it'd bea huge culture shockit was definitely huge culture shock andI actually the first city I came herewas our Albarn in like yeah yeah yeahlike so which is kind of country townand like yeah like north of sack or soyeahokay it's in the mountain and I was likeliterally Olli like few Asians in thatwhole town oh yeah people freaked outseeing me back then like not a problemit's probably not because I saw thesushi restaurant in there I was likewhoa like people who eat agent food yeahyeah it was like it's changed but backthen it was pretty intensemmm like people like I wouldn'tunderstand why people stare at me likethat and like I didn't know it was kindof like I wouldn't say racism because Isay just because I was differentyeah I wouldn't say it was racist Ithink it's probably that because I wasdifferent yeah you just I mean cuz you Imean you might have been wearing yourcrazy Genie pants or something yeah youknow like they probably felt like I wassome type of clown you know like oh yeahmy fashion you know like how likedefinitely I didn't speak a word inEnglish oh that might go yeah so peoplejust but yeah I mean people in Auburn alot of them are kind of like morecountry type of people yeahmore rural they because it's a smallertown north east of Sacramento and youknow people people out there I guesshave kind of a slower lifestyle not notlike a city in style yet running aroundall the time it's like you know theythey'll have their big house somewhereand then you know go to work and stuffyeah but it's usually in the sea yeahhey yeah much as much love to my townthat's all I burn is a great pad is mytown much love I love I love Auburnactually well yeah it's it's to see youknow someone who looks like a kpop starwalking around they're kind of like ohwhat's going on that's good like yeahwhere's his horse so yeah um butdefinitely I learned how to enjoy likesmall things in life you know likewatching sunrise and sonsI never knew there was like such abeautiful thing I never knew that untilI got there hmm and like enjoying justlandscaping just little things in lifeis is there not a lot of them likenature type of areas in Korea we do wedo but I'm from like very busy citySeoul so okay so like our population islike crazy yeah as crazy it's like thebiggest city in yeah the population yeahpopulation is so crazy and lifestyle isjust so busy you know like I guess ifthat's all you've ever seen coming herewhere there's a lot more space you knowSacramento is kind of spread out anddefinitely when you go to Auburn it'seven more spread out yeah you know it'svery you know you it's not like a cityat all there's no buildings that aremore than two or three stone yeah yeahthat's what I loved about though like Icould really see the sky yeah I couldreally hear the birds sounds you knowlike those things kind of like open myeyes in a way those are the kind of goodparts and bad parts were like and yeahthese people will not accepting me yeswhat I was you know so I actually cameup with my English name because of thatbecause I had yeah Charlie I used tocall myself Charlie because I had traumalike if I say my name people will justinstantly react kind of like whoa whatis that what is that you know like whatis the Korean pronunciation like moonhang wouldn't hang that my full name ismoon hang Lee but hang like a lot ofpeople can't pronounce it's like I gottired of explaining like I do you knowwhat I'm gonna just go moon tell me thatyou that Lee is pronounced somethingdifferent and yeah yeah it's actually Eright yeah we we go by E and then we putlast name first so like my name is emoon hang but then here it changed toLee I don't know how like I don't knowi but you have to change it to Li huhand here I'm moon Lee yeah that's kindof weird so when you go to Korea it'slike you have a new identity or new likenames yeah names are completelydifferent so those little things oh andmy name being Korea horiuchi curt yeah Imean I guess whore you Chi cuz it's aJapanese name they're probably used tothat yeah Kurt I wouldn't I wouldimagine they would have troublepronouncing that because I know inJapanese they yeah now like Korea likewe we are very culturally open mm-hmm -especially American culture yeah yeah soyeah Kurt wouldn't be a problem okayKaruma be a problem oh no like aJapanese people call me cat oh becauseit the yeah the air is like kind of aweird sound yeah for them and doesn'treally exist in their language so soyeah so when you came to America you'rein Auburn and then you were dancingstill right or like or were you justworking at the sushi restaurant and youmay oh you meant surf boogie boogie yesshoutout to sir shoutout to cert boogieyeah so I wasn't like really dancing atfirst I was just going to school but uhmbecause of language barrier and becauseof you know like lack of humaninteraction I kind of got into depresseddepression hmm because you know like youwouldn't talk like I wasn't able to talkto human in general yeah it's like yaknow I can imagine that that's cut it'slike it's I mean it's kind of like howwhen my dog is like looking at me andshe tries to like tell me something Iknow my I don't know what your jobexactly dog probably is like crap that'sthe exact reaction I'll get from peopleyeah so and I didwant to hang out with my people likeKorea's oh did not want to speak Koreansin America yeah I was very strict onthat because I wanted to learn Englishand I wanted to that this culture asfully as possiblemm-hmm so so I kind of put myself in thesituation so I had to do something aboutitto get out of that depression mmmthat's when I you know started dancingagain on my own hmm so when was thatabout that was about like 2007 so thegap between starting and stopping it'sstopping in Korea and then starting backin America how long was that like I kindof stopped dancing because of you likeSAT back in Korea yeah so I had toreally focus on like studying okay so Istopped about an year in half you're inhalf I stopped and came back to came toAmerica so I'll say two years about twoyears I stopped and I was like this likeI have to do something and yeah Istarted dancing again on my own and yeahand I was a boss er because theywouldn't accept me as a server becausemy English wasn't good so I was bussingat this sushi restaurant and not in theOpera and Albarn didn't did not have asushi restaurant back then yeah theyprobably have one now but I don't theydo have they do have Asian food thereyeah so I had to like drive all the wayto Rockland and I used to work at thissushi restaurant and they kind of knew Iwas dancing this and that like in a wayand this customer came in and I guesssomeone told him that I was dancer andhe was like you know what I'll battleyou for your tip like that it's rudemean that's a hella rude right likethat's a hellbut to me it was like oh my god this islike real America I know you know like Iwatched the like you got served or likeall those real now I was like oh this isAmerica did you go and like put on yourvest and your glove because I had to gethat work later so I told him like a mybreak is in like an hour so I got waitright yeah I was like and then he wewent out there and then he played musicthrough his car yeah yeah and we juststarted battling and this was surfboogie right if this was surfing thewhite man the tall white man shoutout tosurf but then being a really great guyso after like you know like I think wedanced about like 20 30 minutes straightand then there was like one of craziestexperience in my life at the same timelike I never felt that happy in my lifelike I still remember how I feltyes I could not sleep that night becausehe was I was so happy about it dang sotight after the battle he was like oh mygod you're so dope obviously I did notunderstand what he was saying he saidnow I know but he was saying that likehow good I was and then he invited me tothis public performance with his crewyeah and it was a flexible flame yeahwhich was my crew which was your crewand which became my crew later yeah andbut there was a performance for MartinMartin Luther King Day yeah I stillremember that what was I there no youweren't there Convention Center andflexible Flav had a junior crewI forgot their names whose legendarylegendre's yeah yeah me and my brotherstarted that me my brother and a bunchof other people we started that crewyeah and eventually when we went toflexible Flav and thenand then yeah that crew continued on Ithink by the time you came there waslike a bunch of other people like Ithink we kind of revamped it and therewas a lot of people yes so like a youngyou know like junior crew it wasn'tmainly legendary steps not the flexibleFlav but we they put the Flexi Flav nameI think did Vince um did he put togetherthat show yes okay that's where I metVince yeah okay so I met bill wasn'tthere you weren't there huh you were notthere I mean I was going to UC Davis atthe time so I probably was so I metVince there and then I perform with thecrew flexible Flav and Vince was like sointerested in me Vince was veryinterested in me and then he was likewhy don't you come to our practice yeahyeah and that's how I like first startedmaking friends mm-hmm I still couldn'tspeak English but like I knew that heliked my dancing yeah people like mydancing so that's yeah that's how I knowI remember when you would come topractices you would just be like killingit like doing all your locking stuff andlike I don't know much about locking atthe time and so I would see you and Iwas like oh dang this guy's going offand I like I think I would walk up toyou and be like dude you're really tightand you'd be like yeah I know you likeyou know and then I think eventually youunderstood like what I was saying orlike or whatever I mean I don't know howsomehow we communicated it a little bitI mean it's probably just the languageof dance like yeah and you go oh you'redope and you're like I don't know whatdope means but then I go and I shakeyour hand you're like oh he probablymeans it I'm dope yeah it's it's verythat's pretty interesting about humanlike in erection yeah like you do notreally need language to communicate withpeople that is one thing I reallylearned through thethose moments yeah when you see someonego like ah during your like round thatprobably means that you dope youdefinitely understand who who'srespecting you and you definitelyunderstand who's disrespecting youwithout understanding language you knowso and because of dance and I'll sayhip-hop in general because we had verycommon interest mm-hmm so I think that'show I fell in love with hip-hop a lotbecause hip-hop he pop because ofhip-hop I could make my first friend inAmerica because of hip-hop I did notneed language to interact with humans sothere was very you know like literallylike Americans say hip-hop saved me yeaha little did that to me you know like Iwasn't in the ghetto but I was in likeyou know all that Bronx and all that butit literally saved me from gettingdepressed yeah no I can see that I meanI I feel like a lot of people would havethat same reactor they have a similarstory where hip-hop really did savetheir life whether they were actually inreal danger or they were just in a darkplace you know hip-hop does have thislike thing that it kind of just envelopsyour whole life and you're like it'shard to be in a in a bad mood while youare participating in it while you'redancing while you're like deejaying orwhatever like you're making art with youknow whatever things you're trying tomake art with it's hard to be mad atthat you're during during that so yeah Icould see how that would pull you out ofa bad place yeah and after that you knowwe made our own crew second nature andthat's everything how everything startedfor me yeah and so then when weonce we made second nature we were likeyou know our our mission was to likemake these show make really cool showsjust kind of pull in talents from allsorts of different places because youknow we all a lot of us all haddifferent styles right yes yes and thatwas like the the big thing that wewanted to make sure that we alwaysbecause we you know although we liked alot of those those groups that had kindof this one unit style like JA blockyshout out to them they have this stylewhere like you know it's Jabbawockeezmm-hmm they all like dance and it's hardto tell because they would all weartheir masks and it's like hard to tellwho's who because they're so in sync butfor us we were like let's uh let's tryto pull in all these different stylesand try to figure out how they blendtogether and make these make theseinteresting shows and so mm-hmm I thinkit was really fun to do that and Ireally I really miss doing that actuallyme tooI think we actually had that talk whenyou visit Vegas mm-hmm we definitely hadsomething going on with that you knowlike open minded people ya get togetherand try to be artistic yeah I think whatwas cool about it was that the vision wehad I guess the vision there wasn'tnecessarily like set in stone it waskind of like you'd have an idea andyou'd put it on the table and then Iwould have an idea and I'd put it on thetable and then Vince would have an ideaput it on the table and then somehow allof our brains just kind of clicktogether and then we just startcombining these ideas together and makesomething out of all of it and you knowand then that's what we would just ridewith that and then as we go more peoplewere throwing their input and stuff andwe would just take it off and we never Idon't think we we were good about kindof just saying let's just see whathappened yeah yeah we were really goodat that yeah just cause like sometimessomeone would have some wild-ass ideajust you I mean yeah I would have a lotof wild outside because I I tend to justsay like I might as well just say it andyou know basically throw the shit at thewall and hopefully you know I'm finewith throwing as much stuff as I have ata wall and if it all falls down it'sokay but if some of is good that's fineand so um I like to do that and so whenI would throw it out there sometimespeople would go like oh I wonder whatwould happen if we actually did mm-hmmgo somewhere sometimes though I thinkeverybody was really good about doingthat yeah yeah just thrown out therewild ass ideas mm-hmm and we were justall open-minded you know like we hadrespect I think that's what got usreally together yeah we suspect yeah Imean I think everybody in the group wasvery knowledgeable about their specificstyle of dance and they all everyone hada very creative they came from a verycreative place and so you know everyonewas open to these ideas and so we allwould just kind of roll with it yeah seewhat happens man yeah um so anyway solike with second natureeventually right you moved to Vegasright to do jabberwocky show mm-hmmright and so you did that for like ayear or so yeahso at first I because I was only likelocking dancer I didn't know any otherstyleI knew poppin a little bit yeahlocking and it wasn't really my my craftyou audition for those things yeah butum this one summer I think was summerVince had this ticket to be booedconvention in Las Vegas it was UBC rightyes yes that's mr. Frieza thinks thatsays yeah and Diane Diane Keaton Moreauuhremember her name but she got us ticketsand Vince was like um you want to go toVegas and I was like sure you know andit was actually close to my end of mytime being in America so like I justwanted to experience different things sowe went cuz your green card was runningyeah because of my visa was recentlyyeah and so I'll said yes and then wedrove down to LA and then we auditiondifferent things that was my firstaudition in like America like industryauditions and I experienced differentthings there and then we went to Vegasand Jabbawockeez performed at ubc mmmand okay this was driving around Vegasand I was like I told Vince a bitchstill remembers this moment tooI told Vince that hey I think this iswhat I want to do like danceI think dance is what I want to do and Idon't know how but I really want toperform here Vince remembers that yeahyeah and I told him that and year laterI think year later there was a ditionfor Jabbawockeez cuz they were gettingtheir first resident show as a hip hopcrew in Las Vegas yeah this was likemaybe two years after they they won thatABB show yeah yeah Erika's Best DanceCrew yeah there's the first season Ithink yeah they were the first winnerthey they were the first winner and sothey were making a lot I mean they hadnewly found popularity among like crowdsoutside of Dance c'mon the dancecommunity and so they were sitting up alot of stuff and then yeah getting aresident show in Vegas right and youwere one of the people that auditionedfor that yeah so I auditioned for justfor experience and luckily I got pickedand then I got picked to play a mainrole so I got to playtheir main role in Las Vegas and thatkind of put me as a first Korean to playmain role in Las Vegas and that's kindof how I started my career I think soafter playing main role in their showthey trusted me enough to give me a 30to run the whole theater because thatmoment we were getting offered inAustralia and East Coast as well so wehad to prepare for three different showswith three different cast yeah so theyyeah they trust me to run so they prettymuch gave me the theater Montecarlo backthe Monte Carlo theater now that it's apark MGM and we had about 1,500 seats wewere performing about seven shows a weekand we did that about here yeah we didthat about a year and yeah there wasthat just opened my eyes yeah that justopened my eyes to it and they moved toLuxor and that's when I kinda like umstopped not stopped dancing I was stilldancing but I was doing the morebusiness side of them so I was in themanagement side of the company and I wasthat's when I learned a lot aboutbusiness because you know millions ofdollars are just moving in front of myface yeah yeah that's where I learnedyeah was any of that flowing into yourpocket I'm like millions of dollarsthey're not gonna miss this one millionno no it's just you know I was a salaryno it was you were seeing the hugesuccess of the Jabbawockeez show likeblowing up because at around thattime it was like the Jabbawockeez had somuch fame you know little kids weredressing up as them for like Halloweenand stuffing it was like a culturalphenomenon at that time and so they hadthis show that was just blowing up andso I went from like a crew of peoplethat were you know basically dancing ata studio in in Sacramento and variousother places in California to like thisshow that was you know how many shows anight like right now I believe they'redoing ten shows a night at MGM right andthey were filling out their crowds sothere's tons of money coming here so itwas like a huge probably like businessshocked yes like oh dang we can we havewe can pull in money like that yes Iliterally so cuz they had a like threedays deal it was just it was supposed tobe three days performing but it becameten years contract with MGM so I sawthat whole progress in front of my faceyeah that's crazy so and yeah like theygave me opportunity to learn and trustme toorunning yeah for them so big shout outto Jabberwocky shout-out to JabbawockeezI would put a mask on right now but Idon't have a mask yeah when I get a maskdo you have a mask yeah I do I still Istill have masks that I were in the showdo you ever you ever just put it on likeat home and just like look at yourselfin your handsome fellowyeah Jabbawockeez open my eyes changedmy career and taught me a lot of thingsthey're still my mentors yeah they'restill my mentors whenever I strugglewith this you know like I go to them andtalk to them and whatever I can do forthem I'll gladly do yeah yeah yeah andthey're still doing their shows outthere and yeah they're they're stilldoing amazing they just finishedto worry in China or Japan they'repreparing new show in at MGM um they'rejust you know working yeah working veryhard yeahso after Java you went to do the Cirqueshow which is Michael Jackson yeah andso how what was that like cuz that waslike a brand-new thing just like thatCirque was trying to put on in Vegas andso you were like the first the first youknow group of people to like come to thedo that show right they had actuallycreation members okay so I was kind oflike I was one of first people to jointhe crew other than creation member okayso they created show in Montreal Canadaoh and then they did like ear before Ijoined okay and then they you know lateand then they moved it yeah change somecast and then that's when I joined andbrought you in and then evolved the showto what it is now yes yeah and you werehow you helped with the evolutionprocess right in a way but I wouldn'ttake too much credit for Cirque duSoleil because um a lot of things werecreated before I joined and because it'sa big corporation there's not a lot ofroom for me to change thingsoh I see because there's a lot of likeyou know contracts and rules and youknow that's one thing about working atJabbawockeez and working at Cirque it'sa big difference because Jabbawockeez Ireally took the ownership and I care Iguess because I the way I look at itit's like Cirque a lot of that comesfrom like circus like right it comesfrom an actual circus like establishedI don't know what how to call it butwhereas Java was like it came straightfrom like a dancer hip-hop community andso you had these people that werealready they're very creative and they'dlike to collaborate with each other tomake something whereas like I feel likethe circus mentality was more like theyhave they do the creation and then theyhave the performance and then they pullin all the talent and they go okayhere's what it ismhm so Cirque du Soleil and has verystrict rules and like still nowadays ourshow and beetles love there's a showcalled beetles love by Cirque de Soleilthose are the two main shows that hasdance is there like main thingso using dancers are still very new toto settle yeah so they don't really havethat dancer culture and then so theystill they're still trying to build thatculture in it especially with our show alot of hip-hop dancers are in it sothat's where like they're still tryingto figure things out feel it feels likeit yeah that's yeah so yeah a lot of newculture a lot of new things for them tooand yeah I'm just part of it and what doyou think about how they've embracedhip-hop do you think they're doing it ina good way or like it do you think it'sgood for the culture the way they'reembracing it or do you wish that theymaybe like did something a little bitdifferent or like what do you think in Iguess from the standpoint of like thebest thing for the hip-hop culturemm-hmm I don't think not yet theyinfluenced that much in hip-hop cultureokaybecause cert is just trying to takesomething and change too in the intotheir culture because lay isself is a big culture you know likeclown you know so sir it's a circus andthen they're saying I'm gonna pull inthis dance element into what we alreadydid exactlywhereas Jabba is dance job I see popyourself in yeah yeah and they'repulling in you know whatever into thatshow but it's just it's dance yeahthat's what it is okay so I think um Iknow I don't know if I can talk about itright nowoh yeah you don't have to talk about itif there's some kind of NDA or whateveryou got but I don't work for Soto slaveforever so I might just say it um I knowthey're working on making hip-hop showokay a Cirque du Soleil that's right yaknow but I don't know how that's gonnaturn out to be honest yeah uh I mean Iguess the way that I look at it is likethey have a big platform to and a lot ofeyes on it that probably don't knowanything about hip-hop mhm and so when Ilook at it and I go okay well they'reintroducing people into hip-hop mm-hmm Ithink that's a good thing and I thinkmaybe the there's ways they could maybedo it better and I'm not speaking aboutsort specifically but I know thatthere's there's good ways to do that andmaybe like less good ways but I thinkoverall it's good that hip-hop is beingintroduced to peoplemm-hmm I wouldn't say it's it's bad inany way but so I think it's at least astep in the right directionmm-hmm to have a hip-hop show cuz likeyou know when if someone who had no ideawhat hip-hop is goes in to see the showand they go oh what is that theywouldn't have had that initial interestif they hadn't experienced thatmm-hm and so I'm hoping that you knowsay like you know 50% of the people thatwalk into the show go oh wow what isthat and then 10% of that go to look upactually what it is or maybego take a hip hop class mm-hmm and thenthey start learning more about it that'slike getting you know 5% of the peoplethat were introduced you know into thereal kind of hip-hop scene that so Ithink it's a good thing and then the andthen the 50% of people that saw it andthen didn't you know didn't necessarilylook into it or take a class there atleast familiar with it someone they'dsee it again in their life they're likeoh I remember that that's this thingthat I saw in Vegas or whatever mm-hmm Iwonder what that is it seems to like bemore prominent now especially like youknow if they see like breaking in theOlympics which is coming in like fouryears or whatever they're gonna see thatagain and going oh wow that's cool Iwonder what's up with that and then youknow I think more and more people getexposed to it a certain percentage ofthem are gonna be interested in itinterested in the the I guess the thedeep underground scene of what it is youknow get like deeply involved in it Ihope I hope it does you know I hopepeople actually think that they you knowbut as you know like you know ourgenerations it's really hard to get deepinto something yeah that's kind of how Ifeel like you know it is and I thinkthat's maybe because there's not a lotof resources to jump into it right likeso if if I went to a Vegas show and Isaw you locking in you know in your inMichael Jackson's show and I go ohthat's cool what is that and then I goon to YouTube and I you know I don'tknow what locking is so I type inMichael Jackson dance you're probablynot gonna find locking you know what Imean you're gonna probably find a lot ofcool dancing and stuff so I think ifthere's more resources out there so thatwhen someone who does see that like sayat the Michael Jackson's show and thenthey do like some you know search someI'll call it naive search of what it isthey're able to find what the real stuffis so when they type in Michael Jacksonand then they see someone who goes likeoh here's the dance that was in theMichael Jackson show this is actuallycalled locking boom they see it oh youknow who else here's some history oflocking here's Don Campbell lock here'sall these you know all these otherpeople and stuff and here's like somebattles that happen a month ago you knowhere's a scene here's you know whateverso it kind of pulls you down the rabbithole so I think maybe it's hard to getdown the rabbit hole at the moment but Ithink we're getting to that point thoughit's happening I think you know with ageof the Internet mm-hmm there'sdefinitely resources on the Internetyeah but how easy they are to find Idon't know I think it's getting harderto find to me you do yeah because thereare too many 20 informations and yeahthere's not a lot of regulations of thatyou know like there's a yeah there are alot of people that'll go in there andsay this is the real things and they'relike yeah this is locking in it's like Ithink that's just you know having aseizure but yeah going back to that um Idon't know I can't really tell about howCirque de Soleilum influencing hip-hop culture ingeneral but it's influencing hip-hopdancers for sure it's opening a lot ofdoors um we're making good money mm-hmmwith the great benefit you know that'sit's literally heart like impossible toget as a dancer yeah like having it wasunheard of ten years ago yeah in it wasunheard of like it never happened memore dance as a hip hop dancer was notany career you could do it was a hobbyYeah right now it's a career mmm andlike I mean I'm not big fan of 401 K butuh-huh getting a 401 K as a hip hop yeahthat's crazy dude yeah like it's crazyno yes that's insane because it's it'stotally unheard of yeahand for before now mm-hmm so itdefinitely influencing hip-hop dancersin very positive way Joseopen a lot of doors and you know a lotof dreams a lot of young people can likeargue their parents hey mom I can makethem as many yeah yeah yeah who did thiship-hop thing yeah and I'm hoping themore and more hip-hop hip-hop dancegets into the forefront of the communitythat it becomes more of a viable careermm-hmm beyond that like I'd like to seeit we're dancers hip-hop dancers getrecognized as like legitimate athletesyes because that's what they are I meanI think they're more than just athletesbecause it's obviously the focus of itis the creatives behind it so it's likethey're there are buses and and athletesand so much more I mean it's but yeahthe the recognition yes it's not quitethere and it's definitely not where itcould be mm-hm so I'm excited to seebreaking in the Olympics because I thinkthat that's maybe a step in the rightdirection because like I look at it asif if if breaking is like skateboardingwhich I think it very it is very similarit's like a mm-hmm it's a countercultureyeah I think that's the closest thingyeah skateboarding was just like we gotthis board with wheels and I figured outhow to do these cool tricks with it andthen a bunch of other kids picked upskateboard and they started doing thesame cool tricks and then eventuallypeople saw it and was like oh those arecool tricks I want to see more of it andthen it spread around through littlelike VHS tapes all you know all aroundthe country and so more people more andmore people were seeing it and they'relike oh cool this is something cool andthen you you get some like legitcelebrities like Tony Hawk that you knowkind of make the make it blow up youknow and they get the X Gamesstuff and that's kind of where he got alot of his fame from but you know theyget the X Games and so now it was onlike more public platform mm-hmm so morepeople saw and it just blew up to thepoint where there's like video games andstuff and I think breaking has the samekind of appeal to it yes I think hip-hopdance has a lot has the same kind ofappeal to it people see it and they'llgo you know that is really cool I likewatching it I don't know what it is butlet's let's keep watching it I want tosee some competitions of it you know andso then that's where like the Olympicscomes in or like the X Games or whateverI mean I don't know what that looks likein the future but it seems like it'sforming in that direction where it's notjust some underground thing it's more ofa publicly respected art form and yeah Imean almost like a sport I would say youknow it's said I think it's very similarto skateboarding and a lot of otherextreme sport yeah and and mixed martialarts yeah you know they both I think allthose things started out very likeunderground it was just like a smallcommunity was into it and they allstarted like more more people startedgetting involved in it in it I think thewhole scene got their self together toform like a sport a legitimate sport andI think that that's what breaking isgoing towards right now and I'm hopingthe other hip hop dance styles startdoing the same thing and we see itemerge as like this legit sport I knowthere's a big debate in the communitylike is is it okay that we call it asport because it's it's an art formabove everything yeah for sure but in away it's different than an art form -yeah typical like the way I look at artI mean art can be anything but like ifwe were talking about painting rightnothing in the painting culture is likelike competitive out saying you knowother than oh I want to you know getthis grant or whatever to do thiscertain art work but like in hip-hopdancing there's always been thiscompetitive nature too like a battlesomebody right mm-hm and so in a waythat does put it into a sport categorytoo because you know that I would saythe difference between it is thecompetitive nature right in competitiveis a sport and that something that's notcompetitive is maybe more of an art formbreaking sits somewhere in between thattoo and so we don't want to lose wedon't want to lose art form to become asport yeah but you you got to also admitthat there's some sport qualities to itso I'm interested to see where it endsup yeah I'm very interested like I'mvery interested in how they're gonnajudge yeah you talk to a lot of people alot of b-boys on this podcast actuallyabout how the judging is gonna gobecause I mean I don't know we're at anhour right now we can talk about thisactuallyum so like cuz when I look at it thejudging goes like this normally you havelike three judges or five judges orwhatever and they go they watch thisbattle and they go okay I like that guyyeah it's more personalyeah and it all comes down to like theirsubjective opinion about that and so nowwhen you go to like the Olympics orsomething they're they're gonna requiresome criteria yeah so yeah you you knowyou as a judge you voted that way butwhy and then you go oh well he he showedmore musicality he showed morefoundation he showed more dynamicswhatever you want to say and then theygo but how do you quantify that exactlyand then I think it all breaks down atthat point it's like okay wellI say his was better than his but wheredid you call like what's the quantityyeah but what like so I gave this guyfive points I gave that guy four pointsfor his let's say dynamics okay but whymm-hmm it all breaks down from therebecause then you go okay well he didthis freeze a little bit sharper thanthat guy mm-hmm and then you go but thisguy's freeze was different from hisfreeze so you're comparing apples tooranges rightand then he go okay well yeah maybe hisfreeze was a little more difficult hiswas sharper but he also did it into thisother movie and it's like yeah butyou're still comparing apples to orangesso everything breaks down at that pointbecause now it just goes to this yoursubjective opinion about yeah about thedanceyeah I personally I like that that's apart of the judging that you get thesejudges and they go I I like this morethan this just as a dancer because it'sit's it's fun for me to watch thiscompared to that and so in the judge injudging I don't want to lose that but Ialso want to be able to quantify it sothat it makes sense to other people thatdon't understand it yeah and so on thison the on the Olympics platform I don'tknow how you do that and I've beentalking to a lot of people and I don'tthink anybody has really figured out agood way to do that yeah I don't thinkanybody has figured it out yeah you knowand so the thing the thing that I'vebeen telling a lot of people that I thatmaybe is how you got to do it is you sayokay well we have we have this let'scall it bias you know each judge isgonna have their own bias towardscertain thing yeah and it all comes downto what they like and what they don'tlike we don't want to lose that aspectso let's just say okay that counts ussomethingbut we don't want to have one judgecompletely dictated because they havethis bias because we're gonna we'regonna embrace that there's a bias butlet's also let's also get more judges tohelp weed out bad biases you know what Imean and so my thought is that insteadof three judges instead of five judgeslet's say you had twenty judges rightand they all give their opinion they'reall from different areas different erasor whatever you know they all have theirdifferent opinions about it and themajority of them say this guy won overthat guy won I think that meanssomething especially when you look atwhat we're like braking and hip hopdance started from it started as like acompetition between two people at like adance party and what were you trying todo you were trying to outshine the guyyou're going against yep by showing offessentially and who are you showing offto you're showing off to your opponentobviously but also to the crowd you weretrying to get a good crowd applause somy thought is that if your crowd now isa lot of knowledgeable judgesyou're staying true to the history ofhip-hop still and you're not losing thisimportant opinion and art creative basedjudging but you're also weeding outopinions that aren't the minority maybemmm-hmm maybe there's some more problemsthat come along with that I don't knowthere there could easily be that becauseyou know I think there are legitimateparts of the dance that go as like anunder underdog kind of opinion but theydo matter so a lot of those might notshoot up to the forefront of it but Iwould say if you're getting if you'repulling judges a lot of judges from youknow unique places in the dance you'reat least you're at least getting a goodsample of everything that the cultureto offer and then you know allowing thatto choose the winner I think maybethat's the most honest way to do it Idon't know if regular Olympics fan oryou know people who watch the Olympics Idon't know hip-hop would understand thatthat's my question too but I'm hopingthat there's some way to like explainthat to them that the individuality thecreativeness inside this is veryimportant and that is why the judgingsystem is set up in this way that's notas quantitative as other sport otherOlympic sports such as like gymnasticsor like you know whatever martial artsthere's basketball or whatever so yeahthat's ongoing discussion we can talkabout it all day long all day long yeahI mean I've talked to so many peopleabout it and yeah we're all kind of wethrow out our ideas and we don't reallyknow what's gonna happen but I'm hopingthat they have a good community ofpeople that are contributing to whatthey're gonna do for that and I'mexcited to see what happens yeah I'mhoping that pop culture gets thatrecognition and publicity and risk backfrom like you know this word yeah but Idon't know if I'm a big fan of thatbecoming an Olympic mmm category yeah Idon't just to me just personally it just- it seems out of place in the Olympicsto me exact but I don't want to hate onit yeah it's a good opportunity it isgreat opportunity and it's it's it'sshowing me that the Olympics is growinginto a new into new things now you knowI think breaking maybe makes more senseI mean it's its own thing but it seemsmore like something in the X Games to meyeah but even that isdifferent - it's it's hard to place itwhere it is but I take I'll take what wecan get to be honest yeah and and makedo you know make make it into somethinggood and maybe maybe it does a coupleyears in the Olympics and then it goessomewhere else but I think that it's agood opportunity to show that breakingand hip-hop is ready for it something onthis scale and the community welcomes ityeah which I'm hoping the rest of thecommunity does welcome it and doesn'tjust straight-up hate on it I thinkthere's a lot of people that do heythere's a lot of people hating on ityeah yeah and I think they have goodarguments for it yeah I definitelyrespect those opinions deal becausethey're looking at it saying like thisis an underground thing we don't want tolike get rid of the underground rawnessof it yeah and I agree with that toobecause like that's that's one of themain things that I love about it is thatyou know what drew me into it was thatthis was something that you knowbreaking is breaking in hip-hop is justthis counterculture of stuff you know inmy life everyone's telling me do this dothis do this and do this and then Ifound breaking and they were like oh youdon't need to do that what you just didis cool how about you just go with thatand just keep playing with that andwe'll see what happens with that youknow so it was encouraged to just trydifferent things you know so that's whatbrought me into it cuz I was it was oneof the only things in my life that youcould just say you know fuck everythingI this is me I can do what I want hereand then yeah I don't know there's not alot of things I think in this world thatyou can do that with but it's likedefinitely encouraged in the hip-hopworld to just say yo we we like you soput you into everything you do mm-hmm soanyways I think we're hitting this yephour and fifteen minutes or so is thereany last things you want to say I thinkwe talked a lot about some interestingyeah we went definitely out of planthere's no yeah it was very interestingconversation um I don't know if you arelistening to this and you like Iliterally started like I never thoughtI'll be an industry dancer yeah I neverthought I would qualify for that umbut wherever you are just working hardand do what you can do the best alwaystake you somewhere else then you thinkyou can mm-hmmso it definitely did that to me hmm so Iwill encourage those people who kind ofdoubt yourself yeah cuz that's notreally that's not that's really not it Ibelieve what you can dream of you canactually accomplish so it's all aboutbelieving yours yes and just you knowyou know having the vision for it ormaybe even not the full vision buthaving something yeah just yeah goingand moving towards ya you know and evenif you move a little bit away from it ortake the step in the wrong direction youknow this is not this is not a race thisis a journey so yeah see own yeah sofeel feel free to adventure around andand but you know don't don't let thefear of it keep you from taking thatstep yep and be open-minded beopen-minded open-mindedness is importantI mean that's what hip-hop is isembracing the open mindedness of it andand I think every hip hopper would sayyeah the hip hop is about being you it'snot about being this other guy in factit's discouraged to try to be somebodyelse it's that you know you're a biteryou know your copy or your opposedif you're doing that right we want tosee what you are so mm-hmmtake take your you know your your ownpersonality put it into everything youdo and and I think if you do that thenyou are doing it correctly you know nomatter what the result of it is you'redoing it right that's that's the rightway to do hip-hop yeah that's it dopeman well thank you for coming on here Ithink this was a great conversation doyou have any where people can reach youthey want to reach out not yetno I kind of disappeared online cuz Iwas kind of big on like social media nointernet but I kind of wanted to checkif I could leave without it so I deletedyeah yeah yeah I deal with all that andI'm totally fine I think I feel you onthat because social media and stuff getscrazy and like about five years ago Iwas the same way I just like I gotta cutmyself off of this yeah and once I did Ididn't miss it at all mm-hmm the onlything I really use pretty often isFacebook because like my family and alot of my friends are there and so I cancommunicate with them but I'm not onthere getting involved in all the likediscussions and stuff it's more likeit's more like you know someone hits meup on there and says hey there's anevent going on oh cool I'll see if I goyeah that's about it for me right nowyou know so you can't really find mewell I found you somehow somehow andglad you came because this was a greatconversation so thank you for coming andthank you guys for listening and camerajust turned off so it looks like it'sdone with this shit too so see you guyslater peace[Music]you[Music]you[Music] 

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results ranging from but notlimited to talking to actual peoplefeeling Sun on their skin moving theirbodies and not caring about the latestcelebrity gossip happiness is justaround the corner and through a doortalk to your doctor about going outsidesome participants going outsidesufferance of your injuries and evendeath from but not limited to hit by buscoronavirus being eaten by wolvesthe Californio them from tencel arekilling and kidnapped by terrace and nowonto the show[Music]in today's episode I talked to the WestCoast pioneer innovator and franklylegendary b-boy and hip-hop figure myfriend and influence b-boy ace pleaseenjoy the episode hello everybodywelcome to the show today I have the manthe myth the legend the teacher thepioneer the father the fiance futurehusband and b-boy he's been dancingsince the beginning of time so very longtime 91 yeah how long since 1991 1991well man you know what's interesting isthat I was talking to someone recentlywas that breaking kind of started aroundlike mid 70s right is that about whatyou think yeah that's that's at leastwhat I've heard so you've been breakingfor probably more than half of thelifetime of hip-hop that's like reallycrazy to even think of that it's such ayoung dance such a young culture that ina hundred years when it's still aroundpeople are gonna look back and go likewhat was happening in the beginningbecause it was like there's so muchfluctuation in and that this era righthere is like really what helped kind ofdefine it to be whatever it ends upbecoming well the thing that'sinteresting to me now is because there'sbeen absent flows to where it starts topstarts stops but from 91 on it's beenconsistent mhm it's been going there'sthere's been no stop yeah so it's gainedas MoMA as much momentum as there's everbeen and it's been a consistent thing sosince this time that that I began youknow and there were some started youknow who it was going a littlebefore I started but it's you know manyhave stopped but the whole thing is keptgoing so that that's a beautiful part ofpop that yeah yeah yeahfor me you know I got started I had nointerest in dance I didn't startoriginally as a b-boy interesting Ioriginally started as a house dancerWest Coast Oh a West Coast house yeahwhich is different from the house thathouse now yeah yeah that that is knownit's like a mixture of New Jack with alot more yeah upper body movement I seeso you know there was there was New Jackand like that was fun mm-hmmbut for me I didn't really have aninterest in doing that my brother was areally good at New Jack he was littleyeah and he tried to show me and Icouldn't do it like a lot like you knowlike I struggled even with somethingthat was less complicated okay but Ididn't have an interest in it so I waslike I'm cool on it yeah no big dealI want no part of it then the person whoended up being my teacher I and crazilyyou know it's crazy to say but to thisday one of the greatest dancers I'veever seenAaron L Coloma Oh from Palm Springs okayhe was a house dancer yeah he used topop when he was little and he went intoNew Jack and then he went into house andsuper talented and he saw my brother whowas really good at New Jack and hewanted to teach little kids to be to begreat house dancers yeah yeah yeah sohis intent was to teach my brother andso that's how I met him and I broughthim to my house to teach my brother yeahand while he was waiting for my brotherhe was just moving and that was thecraziest thing I ever saw yeah life likeit was literally like poetry in motionhmm I was tripping how old are you atthat time oka hot 16 some along thoselines I believe I was a sophomore inhigh school okay second half and I sawhim move and I just couldn't believethat somebody can move like that yeahlike I had never really seen anythinglike that and seeing it in person is acompletely different experience hmmso I was bugged out and I just kind ofknew that that's what I wanted to dothat's cool yeah it was it was harassedhim I literally harassed him for acouple weeks thank you to teach meWow and he wouldn't because he told mehe said do you understand like you can'tdo new jackand that's like basic arithmetic yeahhouse is far more complicated so it'skind of like doing pre-algebra yeah yeahhe's like you want to jump steps youwant to go straight to precalculus yeahalgebra whatever it is without evenknowing basic arrhythmia don't even knowhow a plus sign yeah you can't even justmake your lower body coordinate muchless upper body and lower bodysynchronized beautiful movements okaybut I was undeterred okay it was I sawit and from there like I just knew I hadto have it okay and so I just kept afterit yep I kept bugging him and finallyone day all right all rightI'm gonna teach you one step you'regonna learn that step and then you cometo me with that step and I'm gonna teachyou another step and I was like dealokay deal that's a good deal yeahbut I had to work for that one step yeahyeah and but he but he realized I wasnot going to stop mm-hm andfrom there it was a rap I I was 24/7with itwake up move act is practicing try andtrying to coordinate this uncoordinatedbody of mine yeahdirt at school during nutrition duringlunch after school at practice at hishouse before bed it was crazy I was amaniacyeah I was a maniac but I wanted to be Iwanted to move like he moved and I knewI was far off I was I was not you know Iwas realistic about where I was at himwhere he was at but I wanted to getthereyes quick as possible so I was 24/7 withit soothing yeah to the point where heliterally had to pull me aside at somepoint and tell me that you know yourmother your mother misses you yeah yeahyeah yeah love that love yourdetermination but you gotta sleepsometimes the guys are getting a littlea little annoyed that you'd never stopyeah and I was hurt I was hurt yeah likeI literally avoided didn't see him for awhile taking different routes to classreally yeah yeah yeah and literally wasthat like after a week we cross pathsand he kind of cut me off and was like aman like where you been like and he'slike don't take it that way you knowlike we're not saying stop you know theguys you know just just take a couplebreathe you know like breathe for ya youknow but yeah it's so that began my longjourney at the beginning I was gettingpretty good at house you know after agood little whileand then we went up to an event calledFilipino weekend up in Delano just pastBakersfieldyeah and that's you know the the groupwe were with was boys and style bis andso we were going up there and you knowwe were going to meet with the rest ofthe group and we're under the assumptionthat a group the soul brothers which isfamous house moved from LA we're gonnabe there and you know wanted to battlethem yeah yeah and they end up never endup showing up our cuz one of the crewmembers cousins from San Jose a groupcalled dangerous image came down andlike they were gonna be with us yeah andthey were a choreography group okaythat also braked because San Jose wasbig into braking amount of time and weall got bored and somehow it ended upbeing a battle between dangerous imageoh and you guys and B is okay except forthey braked him we didn't so you knowthey were they were really good yeah andthat the main guy from their group was awalks guy mm-hmmthis guy Alan hmm and he did walks evenhe was really good he notmerry-go-rounds and all that but he hadreally good walks yeah yeah hence theinspiration yeah when we started thevery next day we stopped Houston and webe started breaking is that quick it wasan instant like - it was like watchingmagic you know like really that thepower precision grace of you knowhigh-level break-in yeah it was like wowlike okay that that that is you know itwas inspiringso yeah we you knowwe started break-in Aaron L was breakingbut he was popping uh and you know andhe used to do that back in the days andsince he was such a good dancer and socoordinated he picked up like oh he wasan amazing popper like amazing but yeahthat that became our road and since ourmain inspiration from the opposition wasa walks guy mmm bis became a walks yeahwe we did spins we did you know all thespins but we care deeply about walksyeah that's that's kind of crazy becauselike definitely you guys like it it'slike walks and for people who don't knowwalks it's like the float how do youexplain yeah well that that you're onyour hands you're walking on your handslegs are off the ground and you're kindof going in let's ignore loading yeahit's like a pocket of air is underneathyour body and you're just walking aroundon your hands and there's so manyvariations of it but yeah yeah and youguys innovated those moves which iscrazy that like I guess before you evenbreak you saw someone else like kind ofwell I mean there were guys in the pastyou know like we didn't really know himtoo much except for when we startedbreak-in since there were no examples ofbreaking like we saw it in personmm-hmm and then when we wanted to startlearning we're you know just a fewbreak-in yeah you know beat Street likethose were our only examples of breakinbecause there was no YouTube there wasno footage it was what you saw in personother than those couple movies that wereon some VHS tapes you know and of coursethere were guys you know in B Street andbreak-in that that did you know somehigh-level walks you know there's buckfor of course oh you know here is hisTurtles he's super fast you know amazingbut not not a lot of and then of coursein break-inthere's handyman you know amazing youknow his amazing walks but that thoseare only a couple variations that wereshown on tape not the rest we were justgoing and figuring it out yeah and youknow hearing from some of the oh geezfor master movements you know giving usideas on things that they had done orseen or heard about you know so theywere kind of just giving us some inputtry this oh there's a walk like this allthere's you know but they couldn't do itthey were already done but that leasewere given us the ideas and kind of aframework of what you know just somethings to try and work on uh-huh andfrom there we were just working at ityou know like determined to get good atthat no yeah you know and then of courseit ended up leading you know afterseveral years to higher level walks I meand my brother were teaching the guysfrom 101 up in Pasadena and you knowthose were guys like brick Rand dabstones which at the time his name wasthere because you know they used to tagso okay and did you ever do it I wasnever in attacking oak I just straightinto Jane into dancing yeah I wentstraight from like sports into danceyeah you know but yeah you know so thoseguys you know we we taught those guysand then had the scene was just you knowgetting a little yeah so what inspired Iguess your creativity within that danceI mean I guess obviously going fromhousing to to breaking and I mean Iimagine a lot of a lot of that hadinfluenced your style I mean becausehousingor at least the housing from back thenwas very kind of kind of jumpy and rightwell yes I believe LOI well very flowybut you know and there was differentstyles in in house you know it was notsame movements there were guys that hada very rigid hard-hitting style therewas others they had flowing there therewas a lot of popping elements oh yeah init so so even in in the West Coast housethere there was a lot of different looksyeah you know that that kind ofdifferentiated each you know dancers ownparticular persona yeah you know and theway they moved so you know when westarted moving into break-in we were itwas mainly power based mm-hm we did somestyle but from what we had seen becauseour experience was very little and therewas no footage there was not a lot ofdifferentiation in style so I kind of wekind of did it just to say we had stylejust to kind of check that box but it itwasn't at least for myself I was nothighly inspired to do style because Ifelt like it was in a box from what Iwhat I had seen the experience it wasn'tuntil the tapes of storm and them thatkind of made their way over here thatlike the realization that oh you can doso much with it it's it really is justlike house yeah like it really is youknow style is really as far as your mindyour creativity your persona yeah yeahlike yeah levels personality silly sillythingsyeah that end up looking dope you knowlike there was just that thatrealization that oh like there's nolimits there's no like yeah like it'sdance just at different levels and yeaha different way but it's still dancejust just like house so from their styleit you know I was all about that youknow like it it became a very fun and anever-ending puzzle that to this day Iwork on yeah yeah it is a puzzle I meanwhat drove me to breaking actually issomething similar is that it there wasno limit you can come come into it andjust kind of have fun with it dowhatever you want make it work you knowreally like if you had a dumb idea tosee to try to make something work justroll around on the ground see make tryto make it work you know some of themost amazing steps that happen are byaccident definitely you know just fromthe attempt of something new you youprovide yourself with an opportunity todo something that you know maybe itworks and that's amazingor it doesn't work out but it turns outto be a better step yeah because it wassomething that your body justautomatically had that on a DNA levelyeah that you were not aware of you knowwith your own consciousness but on amore subatomic level yeah your bodyalready had it yeah in tow and was justready for you just for you to give itthe opportunity yeah I'm completelyconvinced that every move in braking wasfrom someone just falling down and goingoh let me try to control that and do thesame thing though but you know and justmake it look cool you know well wellyeah I mean it it you know it's aconstant thing to where you're trying tolike expand or go into neutral unchartedterritory yeah you know when we firststarted like you know for me the thingthat keeps me coming back is I know I'llnever have this bad boy figure it outyou know but it's so fun just becauseI'm I'm always searching for things likesomeNo you know like like as if I was abrand-new b-boy who it was firststepping onto the floor for the firsttime and I have that same thoughtprocess and what I love is the guys youknow Rob and Cujo and all the other guysyou know that that run in our circlehave a similar mind frame yeah of playmm-hmm you know like what we do is veryserious but we play like children youknow like it's it's something thatbrings joy that's something that we youknow approached like the first timewe're not afraid to give each otherinput or to to move in a weird positionyou know just because yeah there'ssomething exhilarating about about thatjust playing around and just planningyou know something pull one actuallytold me is that the reason he likes theword b-boy rather than somethingdifferent like be men or the adult orwhatever is that really you have yourown adult responsibilities but when youcome to break you are letting your innerchild to come out to play and that's whythe word b-boy or b-girl is moreappropriate than something like a B manor B woman just because you're lettingyour child come out and have fun and I Ithink anybody who is I don't want to saydoing it properly because not to demeananyone else but at least for myself tome that's doing it right yeah it isallowing yourself to be freeand I think when you you knowparticularly associate with childrenthere's a freedom that they have that asadults we lose many at least many loseon various levels they they lose theirfreedom they lose their they have thesepreconceived notions that oh well I'm anadult now yeah and so I need to respondthis way or I need to give thisI need to do you know and that's not thecase that you know you could absolutelybe a responsible person a caringindividual that handles all the variousresponsibilities of your day-to-day butstill be that child to still carry yourinner child in various parts of yourlife I mean I still I still watch animeand cartoons oh yeahto this day yeah yeah you know it's it'sa you know it's funny I had this thingwith my yeah I'd said the other day wewere watching something it had to dowith you know fairy tales type stuff inand for a second she seemeddisinterested I said okay you know let'sturn this off I'll watch this later andshe's like oh no don't be like thatshe's like it's just you know I'm not achild I didn't want I said well why doyou you know like why why do you have tolose your imagination just because we'rea certain age why why do you have togive up your imagination why do you haveto give these things up like we handleall the things we need to handle youknow like they're not hurting you thatthere is there is nothing wrong withhaving an imagination and creativity andholding on to that that childlike partyyourself and and I think it helps usconnect and you know even with our ownchildren you know why like I think ourchildren are more connected to us andlove us all the more because weunderstand them just you know on somelevel just a little bit different thanmaybe a Parenthood isn't holding on to apart there yeah their inner child yeahthis is like a subject that's prettydear to me because you know my mothershe's an artist and she's you know shewas working with a lot of people thatwere you know under they had a lot ofproblems drug abuse all sorts of stufflike that so she was running thisprogram where she would teach them artkind of as a therapy and they werefinding that when these people reallyhadn'tdone anything creative in their life fora long time and once they started doingthat creative these creative things itstarted like sparking up a change intheir life for the better so that theywere more willing to get their lifetogether and so it was like somethingthat they were just lacking as a humanin their life and so it made me reallythink that or believe that creativity isjust like this fundamental thing thatthat humans need and I mean and I thinkit's deeply connected with like play youknow this is our way we play well I meanlike of course people and is one thingyou know being able to play laughtermm-hmmyou know of course the scientificstudies you know yeah yeah how laughterand being able to tap into things thatbring us joy mm-hmm you know life ishard before you know particularly foradults a lot of responsibilities to beable to take a moment for yourself to beable to put all of that on pause and tobe able to let go of everything in tapinto something that is that fulfills youthat brings you fulfillment brings you ajoy you know and different people findit in different ways you know andcertainly you know dance does that forusbut yeah it's a it's an important thingto be able to find things that bring youmeaning that bring you joy that thatallow you to play and create you know inone form or fashion mm you know whenpeople talk about me and dance and youknow like I guess I still look fairlyyoung you know I'm 45 now but you knowmost that speak with me think I'm muchyounger and it's just because I thinkit's because I allow myself I make somefor myself you know there there's adifferent side different purpose whetherit be taking care of myself you knowdance has done a lot for me you know theway I take care of myself the way I eatsleep the way I you know take time forexercise stretching and and that's allfor my dance yeah you know so for medance has been you know a true blessingjust because I would have to find themotivations you know to somehow pull anddo those things on my own but you know Iwould have to generate it somewhere elsebecause for me my motivation for doingall of those things has to do with myperformance as a dancer and you knowit's funny I was talking about storm asyou know motivation one of the things Iliked is I'd seen him on many occasionsbut never spoke with them because he wasalways surrounded by so many people somany other dancers they had admirationfor him yeah because of course it'sdeserved but I never wanted to meet himin that way because even though I haveall the admiration in the world for howhe influenced me I don't think any oneis better than me I don't think I'mbetter than anyone else but I don'tthink anyone else is better than memm-hmmyou know we're humans yeah you know thatinspire each other but I didn't want himto see me that wayto where everyone's like tugging at hiscoattails yeah so so even though I hadopportunities I never spoke with him andthen one of the times at one of the freesaw sessions I had seen him with theguys from soul control with which arelike my little brothers Charles and Cujoand they were sitting and just talkingwith them and I was like amazing yeahbecause those are my guys and I couldjust sit down and talk uh-huh you knowand I got they introduced me to him andI had the opportunity tobe able to let him know that I reallyappreciated what he had done for mehelping me I inspired me and helped meto understand yeah that that it reallywas like dance you know and made stylefun about a week later he was up northfor an event up that way and Charles wasgoing up there to hang out with them andand kind of take care of him show himaround drives him and had invited me tocome I went up there and so from there Igot to be around him more and just talkyou know and with and humanized walkedwell yeah yeah not not just about dancejust about whatever oh yeah and you knowlike I think one of the things heappreciates is when people just treathim like a normal personyeah yeah like you know he understandsthat that he's had impact but he heknows he's a normal guy too you know andwants to have stimulating conversationwith people who who treat him just likeany other person and we had that youknow and to this day we do I was talkingwith him the other day and we'rechopping up over some other stuff youknow but we were able to build on thatand then when we finally danced togetherlike we we hadn't you know we just hungout and talked hmm philosophies onwhether it be life b-boying to dance theway we saw it and we saw things verymuch the same and then it wasn't untilthe very end of the weekend that we wereover at mega man's house and it was Ithink his lady's birthday and we were inall in the living room big wood flooryou know okay and we started off lockingand we were having fun that way and thenI said oh now I feel like breakingand we we started breaking he went outthe guys were going out he went out andthen there was a time I was gonna go Iwas gonna go out and I went out and Ithink he like he just wasn't he didn'tthink that I could I guess dance on thelevel I was dancing huhso I got up and he was about to go outand he kind of had like a uh like andthen he pushed somebody else out andthey went out instead and then it's likeand then he ran something through hismind and then of course right after thatperson finished she went out anddestroyed it yeah but me and him musthave went like 20-something around ohwowyeah like we were just having funYelp plane and and I didn't know it atthe time you know cuz I was just havingfun exchanging and it ended up becominga thing where a lot of the guys werewatching and meet me and storm wereexchanging to you know just playingand I remember Gerald rest in peace youknow one of our other Gerald caster lowhe had come in and said yo Charles wantsto go like like you know we're waitingon you guys and I was like oh storm wegot to go and storm had told generallike yo tell Charles we'll be out in alittle while and then he looked at mesaid yo ace let's keep goingand then we just kept going for or awhile longer and when we left you knowhe was like really happy you know I meanI knew I was happy but he was havinghe's like yo ace like I haven't dancedlike that in like I can't even tell youhow long you know and I was like get outof here bro like you know like you're ina different country like every week youknow surrounded by amazing dancersuh-huhno no no you know it's different youknow like people either are in likelooking like look at me like too high orthey're trying too hard to impress meyou know like instead like just six hesaid me and you we were just kind ofhaving a conversation you know and andthat's the whole thing about dance danceis a conversation you know like likehe's like you were doing somethingthat's giving me ideas and I was goingout and doing something then you weregetting ideas and he like he said youknow that that I haven't had that in areally long time yeah you know wheresomebody just had a conversation with meyou know and he said like for me thatthat just blew my mind and like I saidyou know we well we're kind of I don'tknow to me kind of like kindred spiritslike you know like we see things a lot alot the same way and you know I feelblessed that I have people like Robynpuja you know like we're all kind of inthat you know like I try to surroundmyself with people that are like-mindedyou know that you have thatopen-mindedness and and if they don't Itry to cultivate it yeah yeah you knowand help them to understand that becauseat least for myself that's where I foundthe real joy in dance is in the exchangein the conversation in being open-mindedto new ways of moving and takingsomething and flipping it yeah you knowon its side on its back on its headwhatever it might be you know cuzthere's no one way of looking at thisthing like you know and the beautifulpart is we will never have this thingfigured out and it's what keeps mecoming back yeah because when I come outto a dance floor when I go to a practicethere's an exhilaration that I have noidea what's gonna happen today yeah yeahand that's amazing uh-huh you know Ilike I gave up the preconceived notionoh this is what I'm gonna do this I havea few ideas like oh I want to try thistoday on that I just give it up becauseI found that when I go out withpreconceived notions that oh I'm gonnado this this this and this you think toomuchthat's what it becomes well I mean inthe end like we talked about thatsubatomic level how you go in and you'regonna do this move and it doesn't workout and sometimes it works out betteryeah because your body on a subatomiclevel new nope we're doing this yeahwhen you try to work against your bodywhen you work you know like your body'sgonna win and you could just come outall kinds of ugly you like you know likeat some level you have to give in towherever your body's at on that day likeoh I'm will work on this if it if yourbody says nope we're doing this insteadyou got you like you're best offtrusting because in the end your yourDNA knows better yeah for me like whatI've always done is and what I've beentrying to do a lot more is like when Itrain I'll train you know differentsequences of movements that I think workwell together but when I actually danceyou know perform or battle or whatever Itry to just not think of anything I justtry to focus on music try to focus onwhoever I'm battling or whatever I'mperforming at just focus on the momentand just let my body do whatever it'sgonna do because I've spent all the timein practice working through differentcombinations that I think makes sensethat I trust that my body's gonna knowwhen to do that or when not to do thatso if I just focus more on music andjust let let it happen it just feelsmore natural to me it probably looksmore natural to and then hopefully thosecombinations I have been practicing maketheir way out in some form and you knowI'm happy with that too so it soundslike that's maybe like what you do aswell yeah I mean I have ideas you knowlike I think it's it's it's at least formyself good to go out like okay I wantthese things to come out at some pointin time you know yeah like anda lot of the muscle memory will kick inyeah it is moving yeah you know ifyou've put together certain combinationsand certain movements you know they'regonna come together at some pointthey're gonna execute just becauseyou've done these different things butof course there's a spontaneity to ourdance and you know working in with musicand all that you know and of course Ifeel that music is important I feel likeI think there's some people that thatplay too hard to the music to where theystart to kind of lose themselves thatand when you hit him you know and and toeach their ownyeah every single beat you knowsometimes when people work every singlebeat then they they kind of lose I guessa certain moment like for me like I'm inthe flow of the music the way I dance Istay in the flow in the pocket of themusic and then I accent different partsthat I want really to stick out or standout and being in that wave the rest justgoing and flowing through the rest ofthe music you know and there are somepeople who are amazing hidden everyevery single beat for me I I see a lotof hit or miss with that though toosometimes it's a super amazing momentthat's etched in the history of timethat's enough well there's others thatit was like I kind of lost the messageoh yeah like they're trying too hard todo every single thing and it's like okayI don't they stay in the story you'reactually trying to portray now yeahbecause I mean at least for me I feellike when we're you know when I go outand the dancers that I seem to gravitatea little bit to a a little bit morethey're they're moving and they'retelling some sort of story you knowto make you know beginning a middle andan end you know and just for me the onesthat every single be every single timelike I said there there are somespectacular moments you know some roundsthat will always be remembered but thenthere's also some times that you areleft walking away soon I didn't reallyget what they were trying to tell me youknow just me you know that just the wayyou know I see it so so it's definitelya catch-22 and it's a difficult thing topull off and only a certain few arereally at least to me that that I'veseen that really pull that off and makeme say oh wow okay they're like thatthat they pull it off more times thannot yet they have a higher ratio youknow higher percentage of being able topull it off what what is one of the Iguess highlight moments that you've seenI guess in all your history of the dancewhat's something that stands out I meanobviously your story with battling stormis probably a highlight but what aboutother things maybe something that youmay be a battling with we were we weresharing you know yeah it was aconversation yeah of course that was ahot like you know like I've just had youknow with the moments there's there'sjust so many you know I mean just nojust sharin in the community seeing allthe different generations of dancers youknow come through and give their givetheir party inspire in their way andthen being able on our end to be able topartake in and share with them like asyou know whatever practice that I'm ator event if I see something that I feelcan be helpful to another dancer youknow I'll usually make my way over andjust kind of throw it out theresay you know like this is take it orleave it you know you don't youcertainly don't need to use this butthis is this is something that I seethat I think can help your dance but youknow like like I hope you don't takethat you know the wrong way yeahbecause we've always been a firmbeliever you know me and the guys havealways been firm believers in in helpingbring bring the next dancers or evenveterans like it doesn't matter likeI've had guys that have come to meyou know so many like you know and sayhey you know I know people look at uslike legends you know but like we wewant to grow to like you know what likedoesn't mean that that we don't want tolearn yeah you know and I knew what thatkind of meant like that they werelooking for help and for me like I'llhelp anybody who has a decent heart youknow so I my response has always beenlike well yeah of course like if we'renot learning and growing what are wedoing here you know like anyone whothinks they have this dance figured outyeah they're out of their mindyeah and they've stopped growing yeahyou know that that that's two things cuzthe moment you think you have anythingfigured out growth is done like there isno more growth the moment you think youhave it figured out you're wrong youdon't have it figured yeah because it'san endless thing but if for those whoare you know lucid or out of their mindenough to think that they do havefigured out and oh I'm on this level sothe growth is done like it you stop soso anyone who who has ever like a like Isaid I offer it up you know to to anyonejust really I'll walk over you know andoffer it up so if somebody were to askme you know in many who are consideredlegends of coursemany you know they've been my studentsyou know and others that have made theirlegend status on their own but just arestill on the path of growth if they'veever had a question or wanted to learnsomething I'm all for it you knowbecause yeah like we don'tlet's keep growing let's keep doing ityou know feel free to ask me anytimelike I love it you know it'sever-changing thing I mean hip-hop Iguess if you look at it throughout itshistory every couple years it's adifferent thing and so if you're not Iguess you know evolving with it you'realso you know you're losing yourself alittle bit you know kinda you know asfar as ever evolving it on some levelit's fads - oh yeah you know on somelevel things come and go so you knowit's cool to pay attention and to keepgrowing but if it's something that thatcalls to you - cuz in the end you stillhave to be true to who you are as anartist yeah so there's a lot of thingsthat I see that like look great but Idon't feel they're for meso I continue to grow in the ways thatmove me you know because if we'reconstantly worrying about what somebodyelse is doing and what's in right nowthen we're never really gonna findourselves you know like we're nevergonna find who we are as a dancer and tocontinue to build us like to buildyourself as an artist so but if so youknow it's good to pay attention becauseif you see something that says wow likeyes I want to use that and incorporatethat into my dance because I think thatthat will take what I want to do and youknow change you know take my art where Iwant it to goyou know like we talked about at one ofthe last practices a vision a vision foryour dance you know you may not be ableto do everything that you want to do butI think any any great artists has hadsome sort of vision for what they wantto do like some grand scheme like Ohlike that's kind of crazy you know andyou may not be able to do it now but ifyou have when you have that vision youknow you kind of start doing differentmovements and different exercises andstretches and whatever else whateverelse it might be to kind of work towardsthat goal you know to work towards thatvision you know and then of coursethere's a whole lot of play that comesalong that that will change your visionaround but but I feel like you know allthe great artists have to have some somesort of vision you know even if itchanges along the way you know to have avision and to work towards a vision youknow and not be to be cognizant ofwhat's around you but not consumed towhere you have to do what they do toknow like okay you know that's dope andI recognize that's dope but that's notyou know I'm gonna continue to do what Ido and take the parts that I really wantthat I feel will take me towards myvision yeah yeah the thing that me andVince do a lot is we'll see what otherpeople are doing you know what the fadreally is and rather than try to do thatwe'll go okay if someone does thatagainst me in a battle like what am Igonna do well ya know I mean I know youcan respond to it well especially ifyou're looking for battles you know theresponses to to questions you know oryeah to be able to respond and kind ofyou know in a battle you knowthis is what is generally out there yeahthis is gonna come and you have aresponse you know those are just goodbattle tactics to be able to have aresponse within what you did well yeahwhat I do yeah you know but but youalready have answers to the questionexactly you know so yeah those are thoseare things that are very important andthen of course like you said you knowand then things like battles and stufflike that that's a that's a wholedifferent you know it's its own elementand conversation and being able to Imean of course you have to do what youdo but be able to like even the way wepackage what we do you know ourmovements and and the packaging anddelivery of what we do can be the energyin which we do what we do it's verydifferent yeah you know like yeah youknow it but I think one of the importantthings is that it comes from a genuineplace you see a lot of actors you knowin the scene to where yeah it's that'snot really who they are it's not agenuine part of their dance actor I'venever heard someone say that but that'swhat it is yeah it's acting you know andthe ones who like are best at what theydo I think more times than not things docome from a genuine place yeah that'swhy it receives more credit like thennot because people can fill somethinggenuine behind their movements and atleast for the ones to me that that standout and over time like they still likenot just when in a jam and not just whenin an event but being admired being ableto be understood as a pioneer of whatthey do and to be like to drawinspiration from otherto where because they just see somethingthat is more genuine in in in theirmovements than the typical person whoexecutes things and wins that Jamthere's a lot of people who win gemsthat are not maybe and never really beremembered you know I'm sure there's somany people you know when you look backyou're like who won this gem who on thatJam and not remember them whereasthere's people like Rob Silla or a Cujoyeah that have lost more gems than theother one and you remember there but butthey will when when their name is talkedabout people know and are like wow likethat guy is amazing I'm glad you broughtthat up because I have the same thoughtabout it is because there's so manybattles I remember vividly because youknow either I was there I saw footageand I was like this is a crazy amazingbattle and I can't remember who won youknow that battle or who won the jam oranything about it other than the battleand who was in it I could tell youexactly what each person is wearing orwhatever in the battle but I'm like Ihave no idea if they even won the gym Idon't even know where the jam was youknow what I mean yeah and I could careless to be honest but that battle therewas crazy and it's cemented in my brainas like one of the coolest things I'veever seen you know and so it just goesto show you that the jam is not thedefining thing it's and the win andwinning a jam is not the defining thingit's it's like the moments that you'recreating the moments that you create theway you inspire and an hour inspire byothers and the way you inspire otherswith dancing from a genuine place youknow just yeah though though manydancers have come to me over the yearsand said oh what do you think I shouldwork on and what would you recommend forthis you know Ana's like okay you knowwe'll onewhat is your end goal are you looking towin a jam or are you looking to beremembered mmmyou know because those are twocompletely different things yeah yeahyou know and then I usually bring up theanalogy of things like Cujo and Rob andstuff like that you know and that thatwhen people bring up their name they'realways like people now automaticallyknow who they are yeah you know andthey're inspired and think like wow likeyeah he dances like nobody's businesslike I don't even know how he came upwith that you know whereas there's manyothers that that are amazingthey you know they are they execute youknow mm-hmm well maybe they just haven'tfound their Oh something that makes thatstands out but solely yeah it's wherethis belongs to this person like nonobody dances like this guy you knowwhen somebody tells me like Oh ace youknow like I don't know I don't think Idance like okay I suppose maybe becauseI don't think too much about my owndance I just enjoy the process always inprocess and you know and I just there'sa just a genuine joy in dance but whensomebody comes to me and says oh manlike yeah like when you dance like Iknow it's you like nobody dances likeyou I mean like you bring that brings mea joy and satisfaction because that's myend goal I don't know if I'm if I'mdoing it you know and on to what levelyou know but for me I want the freedomof being me I want you know when I danceI'm trying to just find me all the timeyeah you know and and it's a continualthing because we're ever-changing we'reever-growing you know like the me ofninety-one should not be the me of nowmm-hmmyou know I should be a different me soeven even when I go out and dance todayI'm searching for my truth today who ami today you know and just being open toif that'sdifferent you know I think for the mostpart it's going to there's gonna be afeel of who you are but but new aspectsof yourself yeah you know and I don'tknow for me that that's what II thought about creativity as an artistit's not to just hold on to you know tofind yourself but doesn't mean you haveto be the you of three years ago or lastweek or you know like that person wasamazing at that time love it cherish itand move on move on because you can'tever recreate those moments thosemoments were wonderful at that time butif you're stuck there you know it'snever gonna be the same you know you cando the same combination it's never gonnabe exactly the way it was at that momentin time on that day and you know andyeah I had to learn that a long time agotoo you know I had this some differentamazing moments you know that that justcame about and I tried to recreate themand worse worse sessions ever justbecause that moment had passed you knowand the moment I came to the realizationthat you gotta let go you know andunderstand that that was a beautifulmoment at that time but that is overyeah and and trust like we talked abouton a DNA level that whatever your bodyis telling you and wherever you're at atthat point in timetrust it go with it as long as you feelyou're notimitating or copying somebody else youyou're kind of finding your way andfinding your truth for that day that'swhere the beauty lies kind of embracingthe view of right now and moving with itof course because I know buddy's justgonna change and being a completelydifferent person but you can finddefinitely new elements of yourself youknow if you're open to it and for methat that's what makes you knowbeing an artist so much fun it isfinding these new parts of yourself likeevery single day yeah yeah so if youwere to go back in time to the 91version of you and tell that version ofyou I guess some advice what would youdo what would that be oh god you know II'm not really sure about what I wouldtell myself back then because I'veenjoyed the process the whole way youannounced observe you know like you meanobserve myself of old or observe you nowgoing back in time to see the 91 versionof you would you say anything or no oryou just observe or just well you knowit that's a double-edged sword toobecause yeah it might change well youknow like for me I've enjoyed thejourney yeah the journey is fun it's allabout you know like it's all about thejourney like you know the beauty oftoday like I've had so many amazingmoments throughout my life but I thinkit's because I understand that I'm onlygiven today I don't like iived at thispoint just because I woke up everysingle morning and said well I stilllove it so I'm gonna do it like that'sitI've never in my wildest dreams wouldhave imagined that going on near 30years that I'm still you know 45 yearsold still busting still still breakingyou know stay still dance in period at45 you know when I was a teenager youknow 16 year old you know a 16 year oldkid started we thought somebody who youknow busted for nine years was like whoaat that he's so gee like that's coollike nine years yeah like in here yeahmore than tripled that yeah you know and[Music]yeah like that's it's just crazy to eventhink that that we would still be denserand andlevel like you know that that's you knowone of the things that me and storm weretalking about the other daywas the the joy of dancing still at highlevel having high expectations forourselves and saying I never ever wantold man props like I'm sorry I dancebecause when I dance you know like I dothe things I do I take pride in my dancelike I love the process but make nomistake about it when I'm on a dancefloor with other dancers I want them tounderstand that I'm a bad man yeah thatthat when I do things that I do thingsthat that they can't do even youngeryeah like you know doing walks clotheslike you know certain Power Movecombinations that I can do it 45 that itthat some of the younger cats can docats don't do walks like me and Cujoyeah yeah yeah they just don't it's it'snot the same the the west coastmerry-go-rounds Deadman's all thedifferent high level sky turtlescarousels whatever you want to call themlike all the different variations wewalk around that we glide around a roomwith our body fully extended we're nothopping in one place you know and I knowa lot of people they don't know theydon't understand you know and on somelevel yeah it's weird and arrogant butthe walks that are out there are on anelementary level in comparison to theway that me and Cujo dueled is like ohit's a lost art I think I mean a lot ofit absolutely it absolutely is andpeople will never understand it untiluntil they try it when they when theystart down the journey of doing it theway me and Cujo do it they understandthere they have a what that hell momentlife you knowone of the homies gastro fromGuadalajara he was down here in LosAngeles dude is so strong super superstrong has amazing walks the wayeveryone else does him mmmhoppy well you know no problem knock itout the box I started taking him undermy wingyou know Cujo was trying to show himselfand then he started showing up andwanting to practice with me in Seoul Itook him under my wing and started toteach him the way me and Cujo did do andlike I said can do it the way everyoneelse does it like nobody's business andhis can hold his body straight out likenobody's business very strong butlearning how to do it the right way theway we do it West Coast walks hestruggled struggled struggled struggledand he was like I'm so tired brothank god this is so hard bro like youknow like month you know good monthworking with him regularly strugglingyeah and finally he started to get it atthe end but this was like like a regularthing that I was working with himimparting my knowledge telling him don'tput your hand here and get your hipsover here faster do this you know alongwith all of his already previousknowledge and he struggled with it andhe's starting to finally get it at theend but then he had to go back toGuadalajara and I told him practicepractice practicebecause high level walks is not likeregular moves yeah like if I were toassociate it regular like most movesthat you get it it's like once you getit you get it it's kind of like aone-night stand with high-level walksthat's a marriage you're in a long-termcommitment you better keep at it becauseshe will get up and walk and leaveshe will leave you and I told him thisabout six months you know to a year likebetween there went to vacation you knowwhen on vacation in Mexico was downthere and got a lotta met up with himand his crew and he told me I'm so sorrybroI lost him like I didn't I didn't listento you I didn't practice them andthey're gone and so I told him okay youknow I'm gonna teach you again like youknow and we'll work at it this timestick with it I have to see his accountto see where he's at but it just showsit just it's an example of how just howdifficult high-level walks are the wayCujo and I do them really are and I takea lot of pride in that and I can stillmean Cujo both can do all of our walksyou know different combinations thatwe've done from the past we can still dothem at a high level in our 40s yeah andfor me I take a lot of you know like themoment I I can't dance the way I want todancethen maybe maybe I'm gonna stop I don'tknow like I haven't gotten at that pointyet yeah you know but but I don't wantold man props you know I don't wantsomebody to say oh man you should haveseen ace back in the days like oh likeyou can't you can't tell can't see youcan't see it now you know but he used tobe really good yeah you know the thingthat brings me most joy is when a dancerwho doesn't even know me comes over tome and says hey yeah like hey what'syour name like where are you from likedude you're really good and then when Itell them who I am and a little bit ofmy history for them to have that youknow more like like I love that you knowbecause those props from a really gooddancer you mean more oh I mean you knowmore times than not it's a really gooddancer you know somebody I say all thatguy's pretty good you know and then theymake their way over and reciprocate thatsame love and admiration saying hey whoare you like you know when you walk overto somebody that you just don't evenknow and say I kind of have to know whoyou are like I think highly enough ofyour dance that I want to know who youare and then you know then to find thehistory later you know like and then ofcourse the admiration is much deeperonce they find out like well you're thisperson you're a kudos teacher you'rethis person's teacher you're four howold are you yeah all 45 what you knowlike like for me that is yeah there's asatisfaction and enjoy because just asan artist I want whoever it is it givesme respect or respects what I do I wantit to be from a genuine place like ifit's not there I don't want it becausethen that will feed by motivation towork harder to get back to where I needto be yeah like you know and there's youknow like I understand there's good playpeople come from good places whenthey're being nice but there's alsosomething that handicaps the otherperson whether it be kids or girls orwhatever it might bemm-hmm the reason why we've got into thepeople who have gotten good it's becausethere's there's a need of wanting to beappreciated to be recognized to bevalidated by others that they admire youknow there's a hunger you know not tosay people don't fulfill their own cupby like you know being an artist butthey're I firmly believe that you knowand I think that that we all want to berecognized by others we admire you knowwe want to be validated and for thatperson say that dude is good you knowlike III really you know like what thatfor the person I admire admires what Ido yeah Wow like okay that's you knowand that feeds our hunger that feeds ourflame you know so whatever it is Ialways want it to come from a genuineplace you know and like I say meansstorm we're laughing about that likedude like I call it quits you know likeif I can't do what I do and and feelgood about my dance when I step on adance floor like I don't want anyonegiving me pity props I don't wantsomebody saying oh that was you knowpretty good good job don't do it walkawayyeah like oh you still got it yeah likeit's not that you still got it it's likeit never left it was always here and itgot better so that's that's what you'regoing foralways I'm looking to grow I'm lookingto be a factor I'm looking to inspireyou know myself and others you know likeand I think a lot of really greatartists have this about themselves tothat they are their own biggest criticyeah you know like yeah I know I like wetalked about having a vision you knowlike I know what I want to do and I youknow it's something that that's been adouble-edged sword because I've alwaysbeen hard on myself to I could dosomething incredible and it didn't workout the way I wanted to and I kind ofwalked away like walked out of thecircle like it wasn't amazing you knowwe're where others are like you knoweven pump you spoke about popo used totell me to he had to kind of help mewith that too yeah where he's like dudewhat are you doing like you didsomething amazing and you walked awaywith your head down like he's like don'tthat like you know play you know whetherwhat it would like nobody else knew thatyou messed up like in your own head youmight have messed up yeah but nobodyelse knew that I was like I'll tell youthat right now nobody else knew that theonly way they knew it is you walked awaywith youso that was you know that was somethingthat I'm good you break very preciselyto and so like I can imagine where youmeant to put your foot exactly in thisspot but you missed it by an inch andyou're like oh I messed up but literallyno one can tell that you didn't put itan inch backwards where it was supposedto be and you missed it so you'd get upand go like oh crap I messed that up andthen they're like I don't know that wascrazy disappointed and that's you knowthat that's kind of been my you know myblessing and my curse because becauseI'm always out there searching for myown perfection it it pushes me I striveyou know I've worked I've always been aworker like I said I had two left feetyou know people will see me they're likewhat what do you mean you know but thatwas terrible mm-hmm I was terrible Iworked for everything that I had I'veI've had to break down use trained usemy mind you know more than the averagedancer because I had to like I've alwayshad to break down yeah an understandingof a step a combination of power movebody positioning like where I should beat a certain point in time so when I'mable to t like one I could a teacherit's helped me to really be a goodteacher to others because I myself couldnot do without having a full grasp orunderstanding you understand theintricacies of making them move yeah andI you know I think you can make moveswork but I think for me where it's beena blessing too is you know I've beenable to continue to grow and find moreefficient ways of doing things because Ijust because I can do something doesn'tmean I feel like that's the only way andthat there's not a better way I'm alwayssearching to see if there's a better wayI'm always questioning myself like yeahI feel it this way but I'm open to thepossibilities that I can do it better orthat there is a better way you knowbecause where I where I did something atthat point in time yeah it was effectiveyou know but yeah there's more you knowand we found a bunch of new ways whetherit be power moves or style of saying youknow what if you put your foot downfaster here you put this knee down youknow like and then we tried we're likeyeah that does work like dope and thenjust a whole new range of possibilitiescome in constantly you know so yeah it'samazing man I love it well I think withthat being said we could probably inthis show we've been going for an hourand 15 minutes already kind of timeflies by right yeah well yeah man Iappreciate you having me on you knowlike just being able to speak about allthe possibilities and the culture andour artistry mm-hmm you know cuz cuzthat's what we are you know I I alwaysappreciate the opportunities for to justconversate ya know it's important tokind of spread the ideas that we allhave and just put it out into the worldand see what other people have to sayabout it and just you know I guess theZulu nation each one teach one is it'simportant it's important in hip-hop todo that well yeah it's it's going to youknow like we're only a moment in time weare just a piece of of all of this so ifwe keep it to ourselves where does allthat knowledge go after after we're doneafter we leave you know like like I saidwe're only promised today so even withsomebody who has good intentions ohmaybe later I'll get around to it youknow like they're not promised that timeso you know yeah being able to sharewith each other is a vital part of anysociety yeah and as we said this dancehip hop is still in its infancy in a wayand that it you know there's so muchhistory that's you know beyond us soit's good to get these ideas out now andjust because you know we don't knowwhere the scenes gonna go from here andI mean it's it's it's exciting to seewhat is in store for the future anddefinitely yeah so well thank you forcoming on do you have any last-minuteshoutouts or anything you want to say orany plugs or anything which oh well justyou know the guys you know my brotherswhether it be master movements soulcontrol you know my my variousinspirations around the world you knowmy teacher airnow Coloma you know likeforgiving me just an opportunity youknow and even when he sees me now youknow he says and you were like the lastperson I ever would have thought wouldhave made hey you know yeah an impactbut look II look at you after all theseyears you know but but nobody canmeasure your heart your desire your playyour you know and many of the greatdancers I see around the world startedwith similar themes to where it was hardfor them at the beginning but nobody canmeasure their heart so you know if youhave a want for something do it for youyou know in the end always do it for youand have fun doing it the whole waythrough don't let anyone tell you whatyou can ordo I had that from the very beginningand many others have also we can dowhatever we put our mind to and I won'thave fun along the way here to herealright thanks you guys for listening[Music][Music]you 

Darren Wong, a member of the famous dance group the Kinjas, discusses his beginnings in dance and business, and goofs around with some dude.Follow @Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoiseListen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoysA broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.----more----[Music]this episode of noise of the broke boysis brought to you by cardboard yesthat's right I'm talking about the samecardboard that is used to protect youryear's supply of preparation-h as it isshipped from the warehouse to yourresidence same cardboard that used tospin on your back because you were toobroke and lazy to walk to that freepractice session that your local hip-hopscene provides and yes that samecardboard that was used to make theposter of Justin Bieber that you hide inyour closet don't worry as a truebeliever myself I will not let yoursecret out have you ever wondered whatthat be and cardi B's name stands forwell its board this is car D boardsupplying your local strip club with thefreshest tunes cardboard is smoothstrong and stylish it's the perfectreplacement for all your card stockneeds head down to your local dumpsterand dive right in to pick up the latestshipment of cardboard and have yourselfa cardi board e time and now onto theshow[Music]in this episode I bring in a good dancebuddy I've had since high school webasically came up together as b-boys inthe early 2000s and grew to love hip hopculture together he is a member of theworld famous dance group the kynges andcurrently lives in the SouthernCalifornia area teaching and managingthe various dance schools that thekynges have built from the ground upplease enjoy this episode with my goodfriend Darren Wong hello everybodywelcome to the diarrhea doodoo show thisis noise of the broke boys I am yourhost Kurt rocks key and today I have oneof my oldest dance friends he is amember of the kynges or if you don'tknow they are ninja cosplayers that alsodo dance they do not root Oh cosplay andthen they're also good dancers as wellright I've known this guy for quite awhile I went to high school with him Ihad a crush on his mother yeah she wasmy math teacher and yeah what's up manthis is d-money mr. Darren Wong what'sup yeah so dude I haven't talked to youin a minute when did I last see youprobably my wedding huh yeah becauseyou've been living out in LA for aminute huhyeah probably since 2007yeah and we went to school like irvineright you went to UC irvine you movedout here and have been out here sincethen Yeah right cool um cool so likewhen I first met you um you were alreadylike you already knew what's up withdance I mean you were already kind ofdancing and this was you were a freshmanin high school and I wasJr probably yeah thank Junior so I don'tknow what I was doing hanging out withjuniors I mean hanging out with freshmenwhen I was a junior oh yeah I guess soyeah yeah you were cool and I was uncoolso we like met in the middle a littlebit yes we were about both sophomoresyeah I guess soso when I met you yeah you were alreadyinto dance so like what got you intodance I think like most guys who want todance a girl of course I wanted toimpress a particular girl maybe wiseI think particular girl in like middleschool so I wanted to do breaking cuz Ithought that was like the closest thingI could do since I did martial arts umso then I basically just tried to findany video I could through like illegalway times before YouTube and just learnfrom that just practice in a garage withmy homieand then yeah so did you get the girlnow got different go there oh it allworked outsweet yeah no uh back then that was like2001 Pro yeahdude did the internet yet exist yeahyeah I just remember like going to whatwas it b-boy calm or org or somethingyeah yeah yeah yeah and they had thoselike they had gifts but they're not likethe gifts you see now they were likeyeah it'd be a 10-second thing butthere's only five frames in it so you'relike oh what is he a bad call yeahbecause I remember letti trying to getthat stupid page to load that taught youhow to doturtles yeah and it was a it was a gifof I think Cujo doing him and like I youknow you wait ten minutes for it to loadyeah and then it finally loads and it'sjust like dude and I was like how thehell did he do that like the wholereason I waited so long for this to loadwas to see how to do that in slow motionbut no it skipped like 15 frames so Imissed it allyes yeah stupid b-boy org I hope youdon't exist anymore no actually I hopeyou do but I hope you're listening tothis instead I'm sorry I love your giftsice yeah I downloaded them that's that'sall bad when you're like downloadinggifts you downloaded gifts to like learnhow to break yeah it's the animatedpicture it's yeah that's terriblebut anyways somehow we got to wearanimated gifts to a finalist on world ofdance Thank You b-boy da or you are andyou are the people the People's Choiceforgives so do you still rep PandaExpress so we back when we went to highschool together we went to El Caminohigh school we made this crew togetheras like kind of a joke and we called itPanda Express cute cuz all of us werejust the only Asian kids there and yeahall of us just decided to break is thatAsian Club or is that like breaking ClubI don't know it could be both breakingClub and Asian Club had the same membersso anyways yeah we made it and we calledit Panda Express crew cuz I'm tired youknow we actually yeah we didthat's even funnier that wewe battled people as panda that's thebest part but anyways so since highschool you've like you've had a prettydecorated list of like groups you'vebeen a part ofof course like legendary steps flexibleFlav you were in Cabo modern right youwere leading that crew right yeah yesyears table modern the what would youcall them the hip hop dance choreo danceyeah I feel like there's like multipleteams that you see I cop modern isprobably like one of them one of the topwomen's tops and then the other onewould be CADC which is where mm-hmm Mikeand Anthony the two creators of Kim justcame from actually okay yeah so thenyeah obviously kynges and now you're inunderground flow it is also a Sacramentooh yeah uh so how did you get involvedwith kynges I mean I guess he kind ofalluded to it but yeah so when I was afreshman in college there's this thingcalled Casa dance-off which is like aKorean club basically it's like thisKorean club they put together it's onlyfreshmen so if you're a freshman you'reallowed to compete in like thischoreography showcase basically sobasically every school has their ownteam in their own choreographers sothat's kind of where I met Mike andAnthony at the same time and then at thesame time Victor Kim who used to likemmm yep I know you're trying to elude mebut him yo Victor was telling me like ohyou should go for like either one ofthese cuz he's like you know the topcrews so that I never go in with tabajust cuz they did more breaking piecesand I didn't know like choreo choreo soI went with that and then that's likekind of how I met both of them thoughthrough Casa dance-off cos mm-hmm werethere choreographing mmm and so then youguys they formed they they formed thecrew or conceptualized it or whateverand then they reached out to youyeah so basically the way King justformed was Anthony was going away towork somewhere else so they wanted to doone last showcase together and bringingall the homies that they've alwayswanted to dance with so they just likehand-picked like pretty much the toppeople from each crew that they don'tknew and like we're still friends withand then they don't know case and thenall of a sudden people really liked itand they're like oh shoot this is likesomething we might be able to do it'slike some seven cent money yeah that'sthat's a that's a very normal or like amuch toned down version that I wasthinking it was I thought you guys maybelike went to like a comic-con you're alllike dressed as ninjas and then justlike and then just all of a suddenstarted like dancing and then you'relike oh he's a dancing ninjaoh you're dancing ninja and you're alljust like oh we should join a PowerRangers ninja force oh no wait nevermindlet's uh let's just join it let's make acrew together yeah that would have beenthe cooler origins I guess that that onewas too normal for me so that's what I'mgonna I'm gonna cut out what you justsaid and just say that's whatbut yeah so then okay so then you jointogether and then the underground flowtwins Steven and Michael they joined -they got reached out to and who else doyou have in that crew good it's got alot of yeah you boys I mean it's Victorused to do it in the very beginning okaywhen they were on boob black ops yet sowhat is it ANBU black opsthat's literally from the ANBU black opsyeah so then that was Lin like for surewe were doing a lot of it never you tostuff what the hell and we changed it tojust be you know dancing I don't knowNaruto but that sounds like a reallyterrible BG show ANBU black hot we'relike I don't know some care right wechanged it yeah okay was it roll out thetalkiesno not at all oh yeah you guys wouldhave definitely lost forever we got suedto you you got sued and lost ANBU blackops is off the show okay so that'sthat's dope um so you guys wrapped asthat name eventually came up with kyngeswhat like what is what does kynges meanI guess like I just assumed as ninjasthat are Korean or not a lot of peoplealways guess that it's not the only onekin means family mm-hmm and then I gotdances ninjas so keeping up with thekynges that's what's upso um if people don't know this kyngeseventually went to world of dance whichwas like a TV dance competition showthat had tons of different dancers onthere and like a million-dollar prizeright and so you guys were competing init and you guys were the finalists of itand you lost to got out too late twinsbut should have been these dudes no I'mkidding they're good yeah actually wegot to the finalists for our group soit's like finalists for like soloistsand duo's and then there's finalists forgroups and then there's finalists for itwas like called kids or whatever thatwas yeah so we lost - JLo salsa team JLosalsa team yeahoh they're dope they're dope they'relike definitely high energy I feel okaymaybe I missed I didn't watch the wholeseason I watched like the ending ya knowwhat's confusing different groups it waslike yeah there was a lot and there wasso many different stylesthe other thing well anyway so that'slike that got you guys a lot of Fame andstuff so you guys now are like you knowteaching and then doing shows and stuffso like I guess what what where has thatgotten you now and like what are whatare you guys planning to do in thefuture so actually today we're opening anew studio in downtown LA it's calledthe complex so we have that we have wedid like a Kickstarter IndieGoGo typething for our first studio in MontereyParkmmm called kynges dojo we currently havethree studios I believe in China overall over these Chinamen China a lot nowcuz you got you just got back from Chinalike a couple weeks ago dang so youworried that what's I figured you werethere doing like shows or something yeahyeah so we have a lot of work in Chinanow too so all over the place other thanthat just teaching with around the worldworkshops normal stuff some of the guyschoreographed for like kpop stuff wellthat's that yeah so pretty much anythingto do it dance and music we're trying tobe have our little hands in I guess andthen yeah your your little hands youhave like your little swords yeah how doyou guys actually dance with foot I justknow you walked around like one day someweapons throwing some like yeah you knowuh so okay so in China I wouldn'timagine hip-hop dance is popular inChina but apparently it is now it is itis they started making it mean well youknow how like China's government is theylike time control what people see so nowthey're living like dance be a big thingoh that's so that's why I think it'skind of blowing up a lot more nowthere's a political reason for thatwhy would I don't know money has lessmoney yeah they don't I don't know Idon't know how a China works actuallycuz they're communist country yeah Idon't know how their money works so Igot a lot of it got a lot of it andthey're giving it all to you guys teachthem dance and do shows for that so coolyou're like a that's the most Americanthing you can do dude you're a patriotlet's dump so so like what is the dancescene like in China like I've been toChina because I used to do shows withNBA dance shows and so I went to inChina probably like two or three yearsago and so there was like a huge youknow huge NBA crowd there the and they'dfreaking love basketball and but we werethere and it seemed like they reallyenjoyed what we were doing too but theymaybe weren't too familiar with it Iguessbut it seemed like a cool place to likefor it to blow up someday and I knowthat the breaking song is starting togrow a little bit sorry my dog isbarking H so I so another breaking sceneis starting to blow up a little bit moreand you're seeing more cruising stuffcome from there I don't know if otherhip-hop styles are like you know there'screws in those Styles coming from Chinabut seems like it's a growing place yeahfor sureI think the dancers over there likethey're hungry to like learn so likethey're leveling up pretty quickly sothey're coming coming from the lead foreverybody are they dressed as ninjasno they got them like Crouching TigerHidden Dragon outfit you know what I'mtalking aboutthe kung-fu outfit they dress likenormal hip-hop what if they made a movielike Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon butit was just dancing maybe and they juststart flying yeah it would like fly ohyeah it's heavy dope we could just makeit I would watch it but I'm not Chineseit needs to be in Chinese and then likehave subtitles or whatever like dub overit I guess you could do that just justsay something else and then your mouthis moving differently oh man yeah that'sa I think it's ideas are yeah yeah thatsounds like a quick way to get introuble so um yeah so that's that'stight that you guys are in China doinglike a lot of them cool things umso aside from teaching and stuff arethere any big shows that you guys areworking on like I'm comparing you tolike maybe Jabbawockeez who lives whohave a show out in Vegas that theyperform and then they also had starteddoing some traveling thing or whateverbut yeah they do they're doing showslike all over the place is that like inthe cards for you guys to I think we'vealways talked about doing like our owntheater show I think there's just somuch going on right now that there'salways something in the background thatis happening as far as I know I thinkwe're just more focused right now onjust one this complex opening and thenyeah from there we'll see where thatleads I guess mm-hmmbut I'm pretty sure in the future wewould love to do it like a theater showyeah you know it's just funya know I think that that's that's acool way to like let to like let yourstuff shine and you get full control oflike what yeah well assuming you getfull control I mean probably you got towork with a lot of the other theaterpeople to make sure that they're gettingwhat they need out of it but but yeahyou got a lot more control of like whatyou can do you could say I want thisexact music I want to extend this partso long you know compared I'm comparingit to like something like what you didon world of danceyou would do a set that's like a minutelong or whatever um have to getcopyrights versus music yeah oh yeahthere's a lot of stuff you got to do thered tape there's a lot of red tape yeahthat and so many hoops to jump throughand then there's a lot of productionstaff that are like giving you ordersdifferent so I imagine that that kind oflike I don't know it lets you notcontrol it as much as you probably wantyou know like because I imagine when Ido stuff I go oh I have this vision forand then someone goes oh well that songdoesn't work yeah oh well actuallysuccessful what the heck was I gonna sayI was gonna ask you something I forgotoh so at your studio at your dancestudio like you have now you have threeyou said three Studios in China and youhave two in LA and are you planning togo anywhere else like he's always likean option I mean people always ask us toopen studios you know near them so EastCoast yeah maybeokay like pretty much anywhere is anoption I think I guess it probablydepends on where you're people areplanning to go cuz you obviously need tohave some of your people there mhm allof them are here right yeah I would saymost of us are here and then we havepartners called sino stage those are ourpartners in China okay I run that overtherenow do the students that go there dothey have to wear ninja outfits no Imean if you want you can what if Idislike you know we go to Disneylandit's like okay to dress up I feel likeif you're walking it's like mashed upyou're like cool you're like no one'sgonna look at you what would I have towear it for them to like kick me outit's like what's the limit here what ifI was with a ninja next question alrightthat's that's the end of that so I withwith all your successI imagine you've you've seen a lot oflike cool things in your life so can youtell me maybe about like the coolestthing you've seen like that dance hasbrought you to or like the mostinspirational or even the funniest orall three as a good question I guess thecoolest would have to be world of dancethat was like just being surrounded bypretty much everybody's like a master intheir craft you're basically like in aroom with like a bunch of masters andthey're just like vibing out togethereveryone's like friendly so there waslike no hate or beef so that was coolfor sure I think that was like thenumber one memory traveling wise I wouldsay maybe going to like the Philippineslike seeing like there's like a dota 2championship or something like that ohthe video game yeah so is like a Oh achampionship and then like the GreenRanger was there and the Green Rangerwas he actually dressed up as the greenI don't know does he wear like regularclothes cuz that's what they wouldalways do right I don't know if I wasthe green I would do that all except Iwouldn't want to be the Green Ranger I'dprobably be the what I hate the blackRanger well you know because cuz Zakfrom the original one would be likelet's go he'd like strike he'd be he'ddo a body roll into a fighting stanceand it was like the dough fish at leastwhen I was ten years old or wheneverwhatever I was when I watched that I waslike that's how you fight then I gotbeat up your sets man bring it backno I just want to getstreet fights like that just like a whatdid you say to me let's goit's morphin time then like as I'm doingthat they're like beating me up I knowyeah my yeah that sounds like a bad ideadon't do that but it was cool to watchyeah cuz he was just they were justfighting do you know the little likepudding whatever I never understood thatactually I don't understand cuz it justwas like clay and then they all of asudden we're like things and you justkicked them once again dead and I'm likeman you guys screwed up a little bitlike if you put all your faith in liketaking over the world with those littlethings like dude you guys or why didn'tyou just form one giant putty baby yeahseriously like why did you pick thatlittle that little guy why didn't youjust make a Godzillayeah and just say hey you don't need tofight nobody just walk around this cityand you know by the time the PowerRangers like get there like thingtogether and kick you like half the cityalready destroyed man I should have beenRita Rapunzel it's time to conquer earthlet's make look like monsters to getbeat up High School is basically righthigh schoolers led by a giant head ledby a giant head who's never fought a dayin his lifecome on dude Power Rangers jeez I don'tknow shout out the Power Rangers don'tsponsor this show Oh God look at me ohdamn um so like what about what is thereany like movie opportunities like in theworks for you guys mm good question Idon't know I mean I feel like most dancemovies don't go as far as like theydon't you would want them to go yeah Imean but yes oviedo yes I actuallyalways thought about writing a scriptfor a movie that had to do withhip-hop and breaking mmmthat would show more of like the therawness behind it because every dancemovie I've seen has always beencheesiest yeah yeah yeah sure it's likeyou know I'll watch beach street orwhatever just to see the dancing andthen as soon as they start talkingoh you biters you ain't worth the beatthat's what's the point I turned it offyou know I mean but so I've alwayswanted to see a movie like that and Icompare it to eight milelike with mmm where he you know he'sjust like it's almost just a story of emand em really but like there's I feellike they just put like a really grittylike you know veil over it to show themore raw side of like anti popping andyou know battle rapping and stuff and soI always thought that that'd be dope totake that on with with breaking yeah letme double its um yeah I don't know thattelling the real story of like someone'slife versus a little bit cuz like thisis dance somebody yeah the things thathave always bothered me and it kind ofwhy I started this podcast was because Iwould always see like Hollywoodportrayal of breaking and hip-hop danceand it's always like let's do hit hayeah and I'm like alright yeah maybe Imean if you're you know I'm not tryingto like shame that but there's more toit than then hip-hop there's uh you knowlike what I mean I saw some stupid videoof like there's a girl going like andyou know like it was some weird dantlike teaching how to do some stupiddance in a music video and I was likethat's where we he was so it was funnybut uh it might have been a jokeactually um but it was just like yeahthat's not the hip-hop Ino so I wantedto like show the other side of it andtalk to people who've like you knowlived through it and are still livingthrough it to put that on there so thatyou know people who don't know hip-hopdon't just get the one-sided view fromthe Hollywood perspective because reallyHollywoodI think the way Hollywood looks at isthey go okay what is cool looking mm-hmmthis isn't the highlight of our movie ora commercial or whatever we just want tosee some cool moves and look and peoplesmiling it's donewhich is fine like I think that's cooltoo cuz you know any exposure is goodexposure but if that's all you ever seeyou go all like what is breaking what iship-hop what is this it's people smilingand doing backflips and second there's alot more to it than that there's like ahuge hustle behind it there's you knowlong hours at a studio or you know onthe concrete if you like that I meanthere's long there's long hours justlike putting into your craft and stuffthat I think you miss if you only see itso but yeah so that's why I wanted tobring you on because you obviously havegone through the hustle and a struggleto get to where you are and that's whyI've brought on a lot of other peopleand yeah yeah maybe someday I'll write amovie huh sounds dope I think it's justlike if you really understood like howmuch even like physically we go throughthe risk we're putting our bodiesthrough even not just for like now butin the future like it's kind of it'skind of crazythat's great because it's like it's likegetting beat up every day you're notlike you're not getting black eyesyou're definitely doing stuff that Imean I guess as an example like when Iwas learning windmills I would go homeevery day with like a bruise on myshoulder a bruise on my hip and then Icome back the next day and do it againand then the bruza just get bigger andbigger and bigger and then you know andthen tons of scars and then eventually Ithink my body just got used to and waslike alright you win no more no morebruises and then it stopped bruising andit stopped hurting but I'm pretty surethat's gonna correct it for sure forsure so I take care of our bodies gottatake care you're younger you know wedidn't stretch we do just like jump inand just go for ityeah that was I do that all the timeand it wasn't until I tore my meniscusmy right knee and like the doctor waslike you're gonna need surgery you'renever gonna break again and I like it'sover for meand then yes I was just like tripping atthat point and trying to figure out youknow how to how to how to get throughthat and so then I put I just took likea whole year off from dance and just letit heal I was like really scared ofgetting surgery because I had a bunch offriends that got the surgery yeah and sothen um they they think they couldn'tlike dance so as much as they couldafter the surgery saw a super scared ofit and so I just said what do I have tolose let me just quit like a year andsee what happens and if I really can'tmove then I'll go and get a surgery andthat's it the doctor told me that thatwouldn't be a big deal so to wait for itas long as I'm not like did you getsurgery no I didn't get surgery right soI took the whole healed by cell took theyeah and I went to a physical therapistworked out my knee got a lot of like youknow work done on it and and you knowand I just rested a long time cuz I toremy meniscus in high school remember yeahand then you got like hand hopsyeah you got crazy hand offs hey Ididn't know you like tort and dude nosurgery that's crazyyeah cuz I was scared I probably I meanat that moment if I was in a differentmysaid I probably would have got it but Iwas like dude if I get a surgery and Idon't need it and or and like messes itup because the surgery basically youhave a flap of your meniscus which is abunch of cartilage between your knees isit's like torn and doing all sorts ofwaving in the wind and stuff and itfirst of all cartilage takes a long timeto heal so it's it's gonna it's gonnahave problems and then the surgery isthey like they cut it off yeah yeahright move it clean it so then if it'snot perfect like now there's rubbingthere so then they say what happens islike you can get arthritis and lots ofproblems later on in your life too andthen your knee is gonna functiondifferently now that that's not therecuz you you essentially do need thatthere but yeah because it's it's causingmore problems it's causing pain they'llcut it off yeah yeah and so I guess minehealed was kind of healing weird and soI just went to the physical therapistand they would just break down scartissue until it eventually got into agood place where it doesn't bother meand so it really doesn't bother meeither I mean it's good like once in awhile like if it's cold or somethingI'll feel like a little bit of pain orold man like that so that there's thatand then I man I injured my shouldersboth of my shoulders this one was frommy right shoulder was on a I waspracticing do you know what a Arabiantwist flip is it's like you it's likeyou kind of jump like you're gonnabackflip and then you twist 180 and thenfront flip so I was doing that so like Ihave to throw you have to throw your armkind of like this and I threw it way toohard enough effed up my rotator cuff andat that time I was learning air flaresand I had probably like two or three atthat time and so I had a quit Air flightso I lost my air flares and then I coulddude I had to quit breaking for a longtime because of that came back zero airflares zero Arabian twist and a lot ofother moves that I lost yeah okay then Istarted working again getting all thesethings backand then I was working with the warriorsat the time and we were doing theseshows and there was this crazy trickthat we were trying to figure out how todo where I don't you actually me and youmade this trick with Vince the one youknow the one where Vince what's do thesplits on the ground and then I wouldjump and then you jump in here maybe Iwas jumping over you I don't rememberbut we would do that so we were doingthat except our friend Quang who's likethe buffest guy I know he's doing likehis planche like push-ups down whereVince would have been and then one guyjumps over him and then I was jumpingover that guy and then we got anotherguy who gets thrown over here so it waslike it all happens at the same time soit goes boom yeah and so while we werepracticing this he missed oh and landedstraight on me so I went headfirst intothe ground hit my shoulders super hardand it just like effed on my shoulderand so I went to the doctor they're likeoh yeah this is like a common linebackerinjury and I was like yeah cuz I'm afreak yeah look at me and yeah just likedon't don't do whatever you're doing andI'm like okay what do I do and they'relike that's all you can do all right sothen then I lost air flares again andnow my now both shoulders are messed upand this is my catching shoulder soundslike it's hard to get yeah I always likenot to not too happy with that so I haveair flares a long time ago man I can hittwo once in a while if I can deal withthe pain in the shoulder but if I'm notdown to do that and usually I'm not it'slike yeah it's kind of like oh yeah yeahthat's an airflow I guess so yeah that'sthat's the pains of life of a b-boyyeah yeah so do you have any um chronicinjuries from dancing hmm I'm stilldealing with the torn back even to thecorner back yeahso I think I like twisted wrong I feellike I tore a muscle in it hasn't beenconfirmed yet but when was that that'sbeen like two years I've been every nowand then my back will pull so I can'teven like bend over to get my caroh that's been fun sometimes I get likea weird back pain it's not like nearlyas bad but sometimes it'll be like oohwhat's going on like it makes it so ifyou're like in a weird position it likehurts a lot soon I don't know yeah forsure that the meniscus tear sucked forsure when I try to learn air flares backin the day my shoulder went out of placeI stopped doing that oh yeah I was thereI don't know if you're doing air flarebut I remember you did pop your shoulderat once yeah doing a hand holding fundid yeah I'm lucky I didn't and thatnever happened to me because that wouldbe and we were yelling back then too solike yeah you pop it probably whenyou're a sophomore dude that sucksyeah and then you just started learninghand hops on the other hand yeah andlike you know now you can hand off for ayear yeah it's like riding a bike Inever practice them anymoreright and you could just do it yeah heyno weird I get to hand hops threehandouts maybe so you know yeah yeah Ineed a break my soul no - well actuallyI guess that's a good thing for you likeif you ever lost your legs just be likei'm handi-capable hop around dude thatis sickbut yeah injuries for sure suck yeahit's like you know it was like in theend it's my job so like if somethinggoes wrong mm-hmm game overoh I want to see if like dance startsblowing up to the point where it's likea sport and stuff like you know I get Iguess with the Olympics and stuff I wantto see you know if it was at the NBAlevel and they had all these likeyou know good doctors and stuff likeworking with these athletes to keeptheir bodies like perfectly how goodpeople would get yeah for sure becauseI'm 100% with that yeah I mean Artie Ithink already you're seeing like it's alot of now little kids who probablytheir parents were b-boys or B girlsback in the day are now like ten yearsold and you know double flipping overyeah each other kids are crazy now yeahthey do stuff that I'm like I'm nevergonna try that in my yeah well so it'slike I think you see that now and thenso you're seeing kids that are good fromlike birth essentially and you know Ithink once it becomes like a biggersport and maybe there's more researchinto like how to keep people in physicalgood physical shape for itI think melding those two thingstogether dude you're gonna see somecrazy like 20 year olds like literallyflying just I don't know yeah they'relike it's triple air flares yeah likeit's nothing yeah you like the futurefor like at least our generations likemore coaching them I feel like if itdoes become a sport it's like oh yeahfor sure there's no y generation becomecoaches where the teams which would becreated there the era of like gettingbroke off figuring out how to do it intheir the era of like oh you got brokeoff and can teach me how to be a pro capso now I can do it when I'm 10 a dude ohyeah and then when they have kids whoknowsbe crazy or I don't know maybe breakingdoesn't exist at that time I know manOlympics oh yeah I know where hopefullyit goes through you yeah is it throughor no I think it's like 90% sure I don'tknow I'm pretty sure it's going throughI don't want to say 100 because I don'tknowyeah what are your thoughts on thatthings though I think as long as theyfind like a fair judging system likeeven like it like you have to becertified to judge you knowthere's like you do understand thecriteria so it's not so like biased oranything I think that's what will makeit legit versus people seeing it once inthe Olympics and then all of a suddenthey're like oh no you just can't do itbecause you know just because it wasmessed up the first time so mm-hmm aslong as they get it right the first timeit'll last possible yeah I think I thinkso too i think it's it's tight that it'sin the Olympics and I'm really excitedto see it there and I think we've as ascene come very far to get it here but Ialso am worried that the scene is notready for it because for one there's alot of pushback against it which that'sgonna be problems and then yeah thejudging I think there's a there's a lotof hump to get over to make that rightbecause I think basically judging now iskind of like you winno you just point to the dude that youthink wins that ain't gonna cut it forthe Olympics I mean because they're usedto points and whatever and like oh yeahhe wins he got ten points and I give himzero like that doesn't that ain't gonnawork dude okay so I think yeah everybodyeverybody in the scene really needs tocome together think about how to do thisand I'm not just talking about like theoh Jesus I'm talking about anybody hasseen who has a good idea to like try tofigure it out because I think ifanything has been proven is that wedon't have a good judging system otherthan I mean I think one two three pointto who you think wins is fine with meat from like an artistic perspectivebecause I look at it is like there'sthese judges here and they have theirown artistic perspective on what theythink is good and then pointing at it isjust saying my opinion is this that Ilike this more and if the Olympics isokay with that that's cool but the in inand simply because that kind of goeswell with the way breaking was formedand how we've always done it so it staystrue to how we do itI think there's holes in that for surebut I don't think that's gonna fly withthe Olympics because it's kind of like Ithink what they're gonna say is well ifsomebody who's watching says well whydid that guy win and then they go ohbecause Darren from kin just said sobecause he wore a ninja costume and theother guy didn't okay well alrightthat's how you get an Olympic medal thenyeah yes so that's not gonna fly youknow what I mean so but then again Ithink giving points to specific criteriaI have some reservations on that becauseI think it breaks down a little bit whenyou go okay if you imagine a guy who'sreally well-rounded going against a guywho's really good at maybe a few thingsI can still see either of those guyswinning but a judging system thattailors more to all-around person thatguy is always gonna win in that batterso I have some problems with that it'sit's I like to always compare it topainting you know where you're judgingan art piece so say you had like theMona Lisa and you're looking at I forgetthe name of the painting but like it'sPicasso's painting of the war where it'slike all this cubism kind of thingthere's like a lot of like chaos goingon there's a lot of argue if you werecomparing those and they were back likesay those paintings are battling righthow do you judge that yeah because inone way you could say oh the realism onthis one is much better than that sothey win but then you could say but thisemotion hereI see more emotion in it I want that onebut then you go oh but the Mona Lisasmile has this slight little like thingto it so maybe it's like inner pain orwhatever so there's an emotion in thattoo I so there's like a huge failure ahuge debate that gets involved with itand so how do you put criteria to thatand it could like ruin the art form witha really coolbe like okay I'm just gonna do for workjust to get the points you know yeahversus like if that's not what youfeeling then fucking don't which is sowhich is why I really think the pointand point to who you think wins is agood system because it's at least goingokay it's being true to your impressinglike an audience right and showing yourart form to that audience and theaudience is saying okay I want over thatand the audience being the judge so Ithink it's good that it stays true tothat and they're they they're able toput their own creative opinion into intothe choice of the winner so I thinkthat's good but I do think that itbreaks down a little bit so I was I'vebeen playing with the idea of like ifthere was just like 20 judges andthey're all from different areas of theworld they've all you know maybe hadso-and-so amount of experience 20 yearsor whatever renowned or whatever youknow dancers and they're set in in theroom as like the crowd and they're justjudging and so you get 20 differentpoints of people so basically yoursystem is a point system of 20 totalpoints yeah and and your score is justbased on who that got that particularaudience member points to I think that'sfine like I think this is as long as thejudges are like credentialed whateverthey need to do to get to that spot likethen it's like I feel like that is thefairest way first is doing like you getpoints for footwork or top rocks styleand power you know I mean yeah becausethat's so subjective and yeah I mean Ithere you can get in long debates aboutpeople going like that's not to me I godude who cares yeah like you're sayingthat's footwork and that's not for itit's something cares like you knowI mean that guy's expression of a girl'sexpression or whatever they think it issoon it's just dancing it's just amovement it's either cool or it's notdope or it's not so why don't you justjudge on that rather his a pinkietouched the ground like what the hellare you even talking about do yaunless the footwork competition dudeyeah dude I think footwork competitionsare the stupidest thing and this is yeahthis is a hot take and probably a yeah Iwould imagine a lot of people would bemad at this but I think footworkcompetitions are the stupidest shit everbecause it's like it's just a way forpeople to like go in and go hey look atme I I did footwork based on this modelof what everyone thinks footwork is andI win cool like not to diss anybodywho's done thatyou know usually the person who wins isvery good at what they do but I've seenpeople that have very good what I wouldconsider footwork and they lose and it'sbecause what they're doing is maybe notmainstream footwork you know I think themainstream footwork is probably thatkind of like Rocksteady style a littlebit where it's like very step II a lotof pauses and stuff little littlefreezes in their footwork but I've seenlike more flowy styles where they'redoing sweeps and they go on to theground and like kind of rolled aroundand stuff I'm like they're still usingtheir feet so it's hard to say that it'snot footwork in my opinion like evolvingwith yeah when when I look at thefootwork competition the way I break itdown is there it's it's a way of sayingyou're not allowed to do all this otherstuff and if you do it in this littlebubble then you win and if you touch anyof this stuff out here you lose which Imean I guess that's kind of cool but atthe end of the day it's kind of like alet's tie our one hand behind our backand let's box that's what it is to meit's not like a real boxing match ittie both of your hands together and liketry to bite each other you know what Imeanwhich that's probably fun to watch andI'm not gonna lieforward battles are fun to watch but Idon't know if you're talking aboutstraight up breaking dude I don't know Ithink it's stupid yeah that's my hottake don't hate me for it so we'recoming up on 50 minutes or so yeah yeahdude so I know recently you got engagedright so how's it yeah how's that goinglike are you guys planning your weddingand everything yeah already got thevenue Oh dope next year already gotphotographer videographer got the foodyou know Nate course ten course dangdude what happened then got theguestlist going hmm you're invited ofcourse oh the wife right now ready Ionly get me in February yeah Februarynext year not oh dude did you already ohyeah okay well okay so you guys aretaking that's good me and Keiko took ourtime too we heard we were engaged forlike two yearsoh yeah yeah we were engaged for liketwo years I think and then we um cuz shewas in nursing school at the time andthen I was I don't think I was doinganything but I wasn't gonna plan thewedding I mean that's real how much howmuch of your opinion is going into thewebsite I'll try the food with you youdude yeah every single one of my ideasout the door I mean you got to wear thesocks though he pulled it offdo you yeah so he's talking aboutI goofed on everyone at my wedding yeahcuz I like to make jokes I think I madethe joke too Caicos mother because shewas like you know really involved liketrying to like have us do all thesethings and I was like I think we'regonna have a ninja turtle themed weddingand she's just like shocked went throughher face like are you serious like ifshe she takes everything really seriousso that's why I said it she freaked outfor a second and then um I was justsaying oh I'm just messing aroundoh and I remember she asked me like whatis what kind of food are you gonna getI'm just getting a taco truck yeah somesome fear in her face ya know hey I'llstill stick by this opinion I think thatif you did your wedding at like a nicepark and you got a taco truck to comethrough and you know you Davi say haveto get it on a good day for weather butyou get a taco truck and you just invitelots of people you get a really dope DJand then make sure you know the city'snot trippin out about sound and stuffand just did your wedding just like as aalmost like a barbecue you know I thinkthat would be the funnest thing ever beso like less formal yeahtakes out the you need to sit by thisperson it's like yeah like cuz I I'vealways hated like the formality ofthings and so when we started planningour wedding I was like dude this is notfor me man okay let's just like cuz Iwas seriously saying let's just go tothe the courthouse and sign papers inwhatever and then just do it like thatbut I knew that wasn't gonna fly so wehad to dothing and I thought it was a good wayyeah I mean Keiko did a good jobfiguring out what to do and I helped alot with like decorations I guessbecause she would say pay build this andbecause I know how to build so I wouldgo and build it for her so I built awhole bunch of stuff for her or for usand over here come on yeah so yeah itturned out and you know we were lookingfor a good venue so we went to a lot ofdifferent ones and we went to that oneit was about the flower farm in Loomisnear Sacramento so I really liked it shereally liked it because there was likethese chickens they wander around and wethought it was like the funniest thingever because I grew up near Fair Oakswhich there's chickens wandering aroundall the time so it was like something Iwas used to a little bit and I used tohave chickens as a kid tooand so I was like oh this is fun shethought it was funny too so we're likeyeah let's do that's why we chose thatplace they don't spot for sure and soyeah we I mean we made it we took thatand I guess the reason we chose it wasbecause having it on like a somewhatfarm setting like a nice farm settingtook away a little bit of the formalityso I was happy with that so I think itturned out well I need super dope to seeold friends and stuff too yeah that wascool yeah and then yeah during theceremony I got to goof on everybodybecause I said hey well my vows you knowI said all my vows and ice and then atthe end I said Sancta cake oh I wish Ihad because I basically said I'm gladthat you let me do a surprise TeenageMutant Ninja Turtle themed wedding andshe was like oh what and then I likelift up my pants and I had a NinjaTurtles sock on to get clothes thereyeah so I like to it was a good I thinkthat was good yeahyeah yeah cuz I was just I was reallytrying to not make it so forth like Idon't know it when I lost it even likewhat the new job is playing like thatwas just oh yeah yeah I'd already setthe tone like it was gonna formal youknow I was yeah yeah exactly like weyeah we played new jobbies it wasanother reflection no reflection eternaland that's mainly because I think whenme and Keiko first started dating I usedto play that song a lot of snot way Idon't know I can't remember but yeah shereally likes that song tooso anyway so yeah we played that becauseit was like we're trying to set the toneas like this is like have some fun andyou know chill yeah relax have a goodpeople going yeah y'all formalin shityeah you mean like the adults they'relike somewhere dressed in suits they'rejust like hanging do my dad was anotherthing cuz I knew for sure my dad wasgonna wear and so everyone was likeasking me like what's the attire and Iwas like well I don't care what you wearI'll probably be wearing a suit causeit's my wedding day but like you're notgonna offend me if you wear freakingboard shorts yeah in fact I wouldprobably think that's really funny and agood idea cuz it would probably be hotthat day but and then I would say butfor sure I know my dad is not wearing asuit so he kind of just already set thedress code yeah cuz I could tell him towear a suit and he ain't gonna wear sothat's already that's a dress code rightthereso like Caicos doubt of saying oh shemight wear aa tux or whatever I was like you knowyou wear whatever you want to wear butfor sure my dad is not gonna wear a suitso if you're trying to match him likeyou're gonna be looking a lot flier thanhis you know he's gonna come in with hiswork boots is like new pair of jeansthat and I'm talking like he'll havethese black jeans and what he does iswhen he works he has the black jeansthey get holes in them so then like ayear later he buys a new pair so he justbought his new pair without wedding andthen but he's probably still wearingthem working now you know what I mean sohe just you know was smart about what orI don't know I don't know yes so that'sthat's my dad so yeah dude so is likeyour wedding planning like is that goingpretty good like our young Jen's in theindustry you know oh really okay doesn'tmake up artists for wedding so she knowsa lot of people just makes it easier soshe she's not stressing I guess yougotta you're more than a year out yeahyou guys probably aren't stress in themyeah her friends a wedding planner - soodo hired her so just take all thestress away you know he did most of theplanning I think you did most of theplanning paid for everything and we hada day of coordinator though so we workedwith them and then I had a friend whowas a deejay so he did all that and hedid all the lighting and stuff yeahRJ shoutout to him a supreme soul he wasalso on TV don't music to you yeah yeahI saw well yeah I really wanted goodthat was the one thing about the weddingthat I really wanted was good mean Ithink so I was like sure like cuz Ithought of it like this if the weddingsucks it's probably because of a DJ -yeah or if you didn't like really enjoyit and also I also thought is like ifthe wedding really sucks how to save itso it all hinges on a good DJcrazy cuz I it's like yep if somethinggoes bad and the DJ just goes you knowhe plays some sound and in society youknow and then place you know some dopetrack and then people just are like youknow getting down to itdude you save the wedding's like justimagine it you know oh no the weddingthere the the bride spilled wine allover her white dress and the DJ goes ohno yo dude drop that beat son wedding issaved right I don't know I'm not a wayand I'd probably get a divorce yeah wellI would say just enjoy the weddingplanning time try to like have fun withthem for sure don't let it stress youout yeah cuz anything is just likesigning checks like yeah ya know a lotof money like sign checks for sure onetime in your life oh yeah one time inyour life yeah just I think I have astory that like puts it into perspectivewe were like this was like paid probablylike a month or two out from the weddingcake I was like looking at the differentdesserts to have so she wanted all theselike cookies and she like startedbreaking down and crying and stuff whatare you crying aboutshe's like oh my god everything's goingwrong these cookies they're they theydon't have like chocolate cookies theyhave chocolate chip cookie you know itwas like well so they don't havechocolate cookies they got chocolatechip oh oh no I don't have the secondbest cookie they have the first bestcookwhy are you crying and I was like heyjust I started laughing and she's likegetting mad at me and I'm like but heretake a step back and think about whatyou're saying you're like crying aboutcookies like let's just be happy we canhave cookies yeah everybody lovescookies and if you don't love a cookielike fuck you don't you know so yeah andthen I think she she like kind ofstarted laughing too and then she's likeoh yeah it's just the stress yeah solet's just laugh at this how does thecookie and then realize that cookies aregood and everybody loves cookies so ifyou don't like this particular cookieyou can go to cookie hell any cookiesponsors out there yeah mrs. field I'mtrying to remember the other one ChipsAhoywhere you at abisco hey Nabisco I needsome cookies dude you can pay me oh damnso okay so let's like try to wrap theshow up all right so what's in thefuture for you got for you and now thatyou're getting married like starting upthese studios like obviously stilldancing like where do you see this goinglike you're gonna keep teaching you'regonna like do more shows or kind of getaway from there and start coaching orwhatever I don't know yeah I feel likemy body is starting to tell me dude youneed to slow down so I think well rightnow I'm working on a program to helptheir dance teachers or upcoming danceteachers like make money withoutdepending on like you know likeauditions or even a dance studio likejust make it on your own just hustle onyour own and just understand how to uselike marketing and you know salesmanshipandstuff to do it all on your own so youcan just make a living off of that andteach the students that you want toteach me a life can you teach me how tomake a good podcast can you got it dudeI'll do the marketing for you I do thisbut this my guess is already good manI'm killing it I'm terrible at marketingdude I don't even use social media likemuch I mean I use Facebook but it'susually to talk to my mom mm-hmm or whoyou know someone in my family yeah anduh yeah so like a marketing on socialmedia is a nightmare for me yeah likejust thinking about it I'm like dude Idon't want to do that yeah yeah no Ifeel you I feel like especially ourgeneration and so one was like you feellike you have to post a bunch of stuff Idon't like post yeah I feel like it'snot about that it's more about like ifyou understand like how you know likewhen we buy stuff it's usually throughsomebody paying for an ad to show ohyeah yeah I mean so I feel like if youunderstand that like yes you're payingmoney to get your stuff out there but itwill come back to you but a lot of ourgeneration they just want to do it forfreeso that's why they just post a bunch ofstuff but it's not doing anything yeahthere's a lot of tools out there thatlike use the data that it tracks to likesell you stuff seems kind of like theysee like once they see your ad and youcan talk and they click you can targetthem to like you know show up later inthe Blake whoa yeah we've seen thatDarrin has looked up big black manytimes follow me around many likes to doit late at night so next time he'sscrolling through Instagram let's givehim oh hey Kurt you sell big black allthose we got the guy exactly so subduedI have the sides calm like how many canI put you down for a whole bag a bushelthe pockets is led up to that one ohyeah yeahyeah here's an announcement I'm startingmy business a big black bill does calmand check it Darren is my first and onlycustomer thank you you know buying myhost star is somebody owns that domainyeah probably somebody does hey pleasesponsor this I don't care see that'd befunny if like a hundred episodes in I[Laughter]was gonna ask you something again um yesokay so you're um yeah so you're gettingyou're like teaching people how to likemarket themselves and stuff and okay sothat's like you're building like kind ofa business around it yeah okay yeahthat's definitely something that isuseful to a lot of people mainly to mefreelancers you know it's hard out thereyeah it's it's hardwell yeah cuz we I think we live in aworld of freelancing now cuz I've justbeen noticing that a lot of like typicaljobs careers are like getting outsourcednow to freelancers because the overheadfor them is a lot lower they can droptheir costs a little bit then thecompany also doesn't need to pay forlike and health benefits and whateverother benefits they use so it's kind oflike in their best interest to do thatand you know sometimes you know they'repaying more maybe like per hour for afreelancer but saving a lot of moneybecause they don't need to do deal withany of the stuff that they deal with andthey just go okay here's the here's theproject here's the scope and you'regonna do it for this feed I am and thenit's like easier for them to do dobusiness that wayI've noticed that that's been happeninga lot and there's 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The recession we're in now may have come out of the blue, but it's actually very similar to the last great recession we had. And like that one, it won't last forever. Many contractors were not prepared and their businesses were not able to survive. There were other contractors whose businesses not only survived but thrived. On today's show, Dave and his guest, Spencer Powell, discuss how to provide value to your customers and how to get the price you need to be profitable. They'll also cover what you need to be doing NOW to prepare your business for when the economy bounces back. Spencer Powell is a marketing expert with Builder Funnel whose focus is working only with contractors. Also, Dave has a special announcement! Subscribe to his podcast for brief daily shows over the next couple of weeks. Guests will include contractors that share tips on what's working for them to get them through this crunch; Dave's labor attorney will discuss some of the issues that business owners need to be mindful of during this time; Tom Reber, a sales expert and host of The Contractor Fight podcast, will be on to provide ideas on how you can sell your work to get the price you're needing; and more! Show Highlights: If you haven't already, download Dave's FREE 1-Page Business Plan that will help you plan for the good times and the bad! Spencer gives an overview of Builder Funnel and its podcast. Don't panic; but over-react. Re-schedule meetings to a video conference. Depending on your state, you may be able to keep a project moving. Cut out all non-essential expenses that you can right now, such as team lunches. The businesses that market and sell during the downturns are the ones that come out stronger in the end. From a marketing perspective, re-allocate your budget to online venues if your home shows have been cancelled. Everyone is on social media during this uneasy time, so post several times throughout the day offering your services. Book Zoom meetings online, even if it's to talk about a future project. That helps get clients in your pipeline. Potential clients visit and research your website and your competition's website. Take this time to fine-tune your website. Spencer discusses website design versus website performance, and why it matters. Less than 5% of the people visiting your website are at the “ready to request an estimate” stage. The majority are searching to see if your website contains information that can answer their questions first before they decide to fill out their information or make a call. Spencer addresses search engine optimization (SEO) and Google ranking, how to build credibility, and different ways to capture interest at the top or bottom of the funnel. Dave offers suggestions as to how differentiate yourself and qualify visitors to your website. Builder Funnel can help contractors get started with their blogging, websites, SEO, and also video strategies. Send out emails or newsletters periodically to keep your business fresh in their minds. Spencer and Dave share some great tips on how to do this! Being consistent in what you do is an important part of marketing. Links: For Tips, Strategies, and Free Downloads! Download My FREE 1-Page Business Plan! The Roofer Show Text Me @ (510) 612-1450 - Say Hi! Iwould love to hear your feedback, pros & cons! **Please leave me a review on iTunes!** Please Share My Podcast With Other Contractors! FREE Evaluation! I will also work with you one-one-one. Contact Me HEREto Get Started! Suggested Episode: 10 Ways to Take Advantage of the Next Recession with Dave Sullivan Suggested Podcast: The Contractor Fight with Tom Reber Connect with Spencer! Builder Funnel Radio Builder Funnel Website Builder Funnel Academy THE ROOFER SHOW SPONSOR INFO: Need Help Answering the Phone Or Online Chat? Use Ruby Receptionists!! Find Out How They Can Help Bring In Leads!! Click here and use the code Roofer50 for a special $50 discount! Call Ruby Or Call Ruby at (844) 326-7829 Check out the app!! —->My Listeners Get a 21-Day Money Back Guarantee

When they play for an adult crowd they are Ratboy. When they play a family friendly gig they are Ratboy Jr (brilliant!). But all around Tim and Mattie are just darn fun and funny to listen to! Here is the second installment of the series Split Personalities where we look at performer's of kid's music who also perform for older audiences. Music samples included. This time I sent out the questions and let the guests record their answers, so less gabby-gabby from me and more straight up chat from the guests! And yes, Kasey, actually, I WOULD like another round of either an adult or kid friendly beverage...

Hi Fellow Listeners, We are back with the March show. I Would like to thank everyone for the continued love & support and also welcome all the new listeners to Vibe Music Show About Vibe Music: Vibe Music Show was established in 2011 to serve its purpose of showcasing music all around the globe. A platform for every artist to display their craft to best effect and serving the music lovers with mind-blowing mixes without taking into account of the genre or the release date of tunes. From producers, musicians and DJ's Vibe Music Vol. 22 takes us directly into the club scene with some hard-hitting club bangers. This selection illustrates our definition of the club, where everyone is driving into the dancefloor to rejoice to the music of the night. A carefree environment, immune to judgement nor discrimination. In our house you are free. With selection from the great underground masters - Cosmonection - Fish Go Deep - Homero Espinosa and More Take It Easy And Vibe Contact Details/Bookings Facebook: Lerato Shibambo Facebook Page: @VibeMusicShow Email: enigmaticlerato@gmail.com Cell/Whatsapp: 074 337 6995

Hiring a sales team can be a real challenge for contractors. Scott Berman with Florida Window and Door has built a huge window installation business in Florida that relies on dozens of sales people to continue that growth and profitability. Scott shares how he hires the best and puts them through his extensive training program. We get into a number of topics including lead generation, personality testing, and wealth building. Show Highlights: Scott's 3 companies (Florida Window and Door, Central Window, and Indian River Glass) are primarily in the window and door replacement business, focusing mainly on hurricane protection products. His main customer is the homeowner on a replacement basis, and mostly for insurance litigation. If you have hurricane-resistant products in your house, your insurance company will not only cover the house in the event of a hurricane, but they usually give you a reduction in your premium because the risk is less. Mitigated damages are estimated to be 70-80% less for houses that have hurricane-approved products, compared to houses that do not have the same products. This is the focus of their sales. People understand how to install a product or sell it, but they usually don't know how to do both. Scott made a significant investment in training, and now he does not hire anybody who has previous window experience. Their hiring process is very strict, and they are hiring all the time. One method of building a great sales team is to take your two top sales people and profile them, then hire from that profile. Scott addresses how his company handles lead generation and marketing. Scott details his company's growth through acquisition. Links: For Tips, Strategies, and Free Downloads! Download My FREE 1-Page Business Plan! The Roofer Show Text Me @ (510) 612-1450 - Say Hi! Iwould love to hear your feedback, pros & cons! **Please leave me a review on iTunes!** Please Share My Podcast With Other Contractors! FREE Evaluation! I will also work with you one-one-one. Contact Me HEREto Get Started! Suggested Podcast: The Wealthy Contractor Podcast Connect with Scott! Scott's Phone Number: (561) 340-4300 Scott's Email: scott@floridawindowanddoor.com THE ROOFER SHOW SPONSOR INFO: Need Help Answering the Phone Or Online Chat? Use Ruby Receptionists!! Find Out How They Can Help Bring In Leads!! Click here and use the code Roofer50 for a special $50 discount! Call Ruby Or Call Ruby at (844) 326-7829 Check out the app!! —->My Listeners Get a 21-Day Money Back Guarantee

Hi Fellow Listeners We have a surprise mix from Tyrone Rebel but first I Would like to thank everyone for the continued love & support and also welcome all the new listeners to Vibe Music Show About Vibe Music: Vibe Music Show was established in 2011 to serve its purpose of showcasing music all around the globe. A platform for every artist to display their craft to best effect and serving the music lovers with mind-blowing mixes without taking into account of the genre or the release date of tunes. From producers , musicians and DJ's About Tyrone Rebel:Tyrone Masingita Mabobo stage name Tyrone Rebel, Soweto based fellow DJ/producer who’s driven by passion for music. Formerly known from a group of heavy hitters named ”Engineers Of House”, which consists of members known to the industry Enosoul(In2Deep), King Mshivo, Q, Soulscence, Funka and himself, a team that has previously worked and released albums with the biggest record label such as House Afrika. With 10 years of consistency mastering his underground DeepSoul style of music that sets him apart from other DJs and producers. He met two other music enthusiasts named Ray Horace & Canticle and formed a group named “The Bros”. Since then they have released and remixed for labels based in Chicago and Italy, their unique sounds have led them to working with legends such as SoulBridge, Joe Smooth, Emmaculate, the Grammy award Nominee Terry Hunter, just to name a few. Tyrone Rebel brings some electrifying selection, guaranteed to get you stamping your feet, nodding your head, and feel like being at the groove. Pay close attention as he will be taking us on a journey of afrohouse/deephouse and tech house. Take Easy It And Vibe Contact Details: Facebook: @TyroneRebelSA Twitter: @TyroneRebelSA Instagram: @Tyrone_Rebel Bookings: Email: Booktyronerebel@gmail.com Cell: 074 853 9077

Hi Fellow Listeners Vibe Music Vol.21 is out I Would like to thank everyone for the continued love & support and also welcome all the new listeners to Vibe Music Show About Vibe Music: Vibe Music Show was established in 2011 to serve its purpose of showcasing music all around the globe. A platform for every artist to display their craft to best effect and serving the music lovers with mind-blowing mixes without taking into account of the genre or the release date of tunes. From producers , musicians and DJ's Vol.21 is special mix dedicated to all the loved ones, all the lovers and everyone spreading love all over the world. With a selection that certainly illustrates just that through a soulful selection which further transcates to a vibe. with music from Wil Milton, The Bros, Chujo, Ezel and more. Love Energy is certain to inspire more love Take It Easy And Vibe Contact Details Mobile: 074 337 6995 Email: Enigmaticlerato@gmail.com FB: Lerato Shibambo

Hi there, You are listening to a new episode of Heartfeldt Radio. This radioshow is full with awesome tracks from Plastic Toy, Joel Corry, Galantis and many many more. This week prepared myself for Carnaval in Brazil. I've visited Brazil Carnaval a couple times in the past and it is amazing! This week I was also very busy with preparing the Hold Me Close Tour. Will I see you somewhere during the tour? I hope you like the episode, let me know :) I Would also love to get some suggestions from you guys which tracks I should use in my next radioshow. Lots of love, Sam Feldt

Hi Fellow Listeners, Complements of the new year :) Vibe Music Vol.20 is out I Would like to thank everyone for the continued love & support and also welcome all the new listeners to Vibe Music Show About Vibe Music: Vibe Music Show was established in 2011 to serve its purpose of showcasing music all around the globe. A platform for every artist to display their craft to best effect and serving the music lovers with mind-blowing mixes without taking into account of the genre or the release date of tunes. From producers , musicians and DJ's Vibe Music Vol.20 brings you music to compliment the first month of the year, where the scenario is slow and everyone is recovering from the festive and wants to clear their head. Vibe Music Vol.20 elevates from lounge, urban RnB into disco vibey sound. This selection is guaranteed to relax your mind and inspire you. With music from: Osunlade, Larry Head, Nubiyan Twist, Keth Brow, DoctorSoul and more incredible artist Take It Easy And Vibe :) Contact Details Mobile: 074 337 6995 Email: Enigmaticlerato@gmail.com FB: Lerato Shibambo

INTRODUCTION:Throughout the history of mankind there have been new beginnings.With the invention of the wheel, a new beginning for humanity, the developmentof roads, highways, steam engines, railway lines, combustion engines, steamlocomotives, automobiles, etc.With the invention of the telegraph by Samuel Morse, a new beginning forhumanity in terms of the development of great advances in telecommunicationsallowing the possibility of communicating immediately between places separatedby hundreds of miles, the appearance of the telephone and later the radio , allthis constituted a vital aspect of communication giving way to moderninformation and communication technologies as we see it today.In the Word of God there have also been new beginnings.For Abraham, for Moses, for Jacob, for the people of Israel, for Joseph, for David,etc.But today I want to tell you about the biggest event with an eternaltranscendence that changed the history of Christianity and is the powerful fact ofthe resurrection of Christ our Lord and Savior.We would not be in this place if our Lord Jesus Christ had not resurrected, in vainit would be the preaching of the gospel, in vain it would be our faith, you and Iwould be the most miserable beings on earth, we would be in our sins andChristianity would have disappeared because no It would have a solid foundationto support it. The resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ is the foundation of theChristian faith.2But due to the fact of the resurrection those who had doubted, those who hadnot believed, those who were insecure and those who had believed, their liveswere transformed in a powerful way and the Kingdom of God began to expandthrough cultures, languages, ideologies, beliefs, reaching peoples and nationsspreading everywhere and becoming the greatest people as God had promised toAbraham that his offspring would be like the stars of the sky and like the sand ofthe sea.Support the show (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=TU4ST3G79LFDE&source=url)

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Hi Fellow Listeners Vibe Music Vol.19 is out I Would like to thank everyone for the continued love & support and also welcome all the new listeners to Vibe Music Show About Vibe Music: Vibe Music Show was established in 2011 to serve its purpose of showcasing music all around the globe. A platform for every artist to display their craft to best effect and serving the music lovers with mind-blowing mixes without taking into account of the genre or the release date of tunes. From producers , musicians and DJ's As we draw closer to the year-end, I would like to present to you the last episode of the year. Since this the closing episode, I decided to take it back to the core fundamentals of Vibe Music Show "Soulful House". This is a clearly blended selection of soulful cuts. It's your Vibey, dance floor fillers accompanied by soothing vocals. Lets vibe :) Thank you to all for lending an ear and here's to the year 2020 and more vibes and bringing more underground and underrated curators and music Contact Details Mobile: 074 337 6995 Email: Enigmaticlerato@gmail.com FB: Lerato Shibambo

Hi Fellow Listeners Vibe Music Vol.19 is out I Would like to thank everyone for the continued love & support and also welcome all the new listeners to Vibe Music Show About Vibe Music: Vibe Music Show was established in 2011 to serve its purpose of showcasing music all around the globe. A platform for every artist to display their craft to best effect and serving the music lovers with mind blowing mixes without taking into account of the genre or the release date of tunes. From producers , musicians and DJ's Vibe music Vol.19 sees an appearance from one of Black Gloves Trio's Quincy. About BlackGloves Music: 3 DJs on a hidden music culture, controversial and diverse they bring Urban to Urban, Acid on genres untold. Music is all there is, and it's all there ever will be. Brace yourselves as this mix will surely leave you amazed. Music selected to widden your horizon Take It Easy and Vibe Contact Details Mobile +27617229674 Email blackgloves007@gmail.com Facebook: BlackGloves BG Instagram: @blackgloves_one

Hi Fellow Listeners Vibe Music Vol.18 is out I Would like to thank everyone for the continued love & support and also welcome all the new listeners to Vibe Music Show About Vibe Music Vibe Music Show was established in 2011 to serve its purpose of showcasing music all around the globe. A platform for every artist to display their craft to best effect and serving the music lovers with mind blowing mixes without taking into account of the genre or the release date of tunes. From producers , musicians and DJ's On this Episode we have our resident selector Kamogelo360 who's been blessing us with mindful mixes. He serves up a selection of new age R&B , Urban Chillout , Tri-pop and Urban Jazz music featuring tunes from : Sampa The Great , Tom Misch , EarthGang , Little Simz , The Mouse Outfit , Minni Manchester , Zilo , Mac Ayres and Sio. A mixtape to calm your thoughts and sooth your soul Take it Easy And Vibe!! Contact Details E-mail - kamogelomathothe@gmail.com Contact details - 0670415152 Facebook - Kamogelo Mathothe Instagram - Kamogelo Mathothe ( Kamogelo360 )

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As a nutrition coach, I always hear, "I WOULD eat healthy, but my family doesn't like to eat healthy!" or "I get judged by my friends when I try to eat healthier and they're choosing the burger!" In this episode, we chat all about owning your choices, some practical tips/strategies to use when you're cooking for your family, and why you actually don't need to make radically different choices from the people you love to see results. Please share this episode if you found these tips helpful!   8-week nutrition mentorship: juliebooher.com/coach Instagram: @healthnutjulie  

What do you get someone who has changed your life? You try to get the impossible. All I wanted for Dr. Joelle Speed's birthday was for Seth Godin to email her a Happy Birthday wish. I did not know HOW I was going to make this happen, I just knew I WOULD. Anything is possible when you believe it to be true.

इस कड़ी में हम बिक्री और विपणन के बीच के अंतर को समझने जा रहे हैं। इन दोनों के बीच प्रमुख अंतर क्या हैं और उनके बीच तालमेल कैसे किसी भी कंपनी को बाजार में अग्रणी बना सकता है।मुझे इस पर आपके अनुभव और प्रतिक्रिया सुनना अच्छा लगेगा। कृपया अपने नेटवर्क के साथ साझा करें ताकि वे इस पॉडकास्ट से लाभ उठा सकें।In this episode we are going to understand the difference between sales and marketing. What are key differences between these two and how the synergies between them can make any company become leader at market.I Would love to hear your experiences & feedback on this . Please share with your network so they can benefit from this podcast.

Listen Up! Iiiiiiit's Revengecast, the only podcast on the internet to ask [Netflix's [Renée Zellwegger's]] HWHATIF we recorded a podcast about Revenge like every six months give or take. So that's what we're here to do! Or, to be accurate, that's what we did on, according to my reference notes, Saturday, June 15th and we're just releasing it now. Wow, do I need a better laptop or *what* this noise cancelation takes FOREVER!! So, Game of Thrones. Haha, just kidding! What's happening in the Hamptons? Well, just like in real life, noted industrialists who are poisoning the environment and inflicting countless chronic conditions on the most vulnerable among us are being sternly censured and sometimes even jailed for their crimes! Haha, just kidding!(x2) They're receiving awards from green energy foundations (just like in real life). Enter stage or (DERBY!) left, noted billionaire poisoner, Luke Gilliam, whomst we discover is really just an SVU-style ripped-from-the-headlines version of this weird turtle man Graz is obsessed with. Who was that?? Didn't catch the name. But be careful out there, Mr Gilliam, because the Ecological Alliance Front just might make your NEXT pretend swig of hazardous chemicals your LAST one. :3c And also by the way Jack still has a bone to pick with the ultimate culprit of his young brother Declán's death (in a leather jacket)--THE PLANET EARTH. Blah blah blah, something something something Javier (in a leather jacket). We're treated to a full frontal of an AI clone that somehow knows what shoes you wanna buy and all you have to do is scan your brain and presumably get photographed by that absurd camera rig from the matrix. Yeah, okay. Gross violations of privacy aside I'm definitely convinced that Javier can pull this technology off, given this was written circa the shitty Tupac hologram and years before Alexa would ask us "I didn't catch that, did you ask me to search for DragonForged Dildo Sales" NO ALEXA. I ASKED YOU TO SERACH FOR DRAGONFORCE DILDO SALES. Hey remember that song?? It came out around this time, maybe! Or several years before. But in the timeliness of Revenge (and Revengecast!), all things are worth waiting for. And thus, Emily has made a pact to experience no contemporaneous speed metal until her father is avenged. Which is too bad because Javier has a minidisc mix that he'd really like to share with her--which is what I WOULD say, if I remembered if those two characters had ever interacted with one another. Meanwhile, on the other side of the FOOD WASTE, Aiden is throwing Nolan's thoughtful gifts in the trash because god dammit it's a stakeout not a SHWARMAout and anyway who is that attractive and well-stacked lady? Why, it's presumed-dead journalist Oscár ChapMan, currently living her best life as Brenda(á). Wow, taking billionaires to task AND shattering gender expression, all in 2013? Guys, was Revenge actually secretly woke???? Topics for Consideration: Hickenlooper?!!? Harry Potter Zombie Compass Dick Fixed Perspective Camera Fetishes Baby Mini V THE BLACK SHARPIE Target Status: THIS LINK LETS YOU BUY THE BOOK I WROTE. If you have the time, write us a review on iTunes using this link. iTunes reviews are a big factor in discovery metrics, and all it takes is a sentence to help us grow! Also we have a mailing list now! Sign up for... uhhh whenever the new DNUASC is coming, that's pretty much it for the moment. gabba gabba GET IT

"Think Carefully" by Pete Sanga #28Tagline: "How cancer and thoughts can change your world for the better"It is almost like we wait for something bad to happen to wake us up. For us to really take life serious and realise each day we lose, we will never gain again. Each second we spend not being grateful, happy or fulfilled is a second wasted. Yet when something bad happens, we can sometimes have a realisation that life is important, precious and beautiful.Pete Sanga shares his story of how cancer and controlling his thoughts has massively changed his life and future. He speaks of tangible tips we can all use and incorporate to live a life of happiness, gratitude and fulfilment without having to go through cancer like he did.A truly remarkable individual who gave off a beautiful energy and had an infectious aura about him. Someone much wiser than me with experience I was grateful to have received.Some key discussion points:Cancer being a giftThe importance of your thoughts.How to change your thoughts.Practical positive daily routines.Understanding that we control more of our life than we think.Age is nothing but a number.I urge you to listen to this all the way through and implement some practical steps and tips that you can do for FREE in 10 minutes or less a day to really help you move forward in your life. These tips and tricks aren't just for cancer survivors, or people who have overcome adversity. They can and should be important practices we all take on in our life to truly make the most of this short amount of time we have on this earth.Let's all start to find our voice today and write our own stories.Let's leave our mark on this earth before it's too late.Remember tomorrow never comes.Thanks for listeningFree Audible book sign up:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Audible-Membership/dp/B00OPA2XFG?actionCode=AMN30DFT1Bk06604291990WX&tag=are86-21Best book on Mindset by Carol Dweck: Mindset https://amzn.to/2QajMvZSupport the podcast: https://www.patreon.com/findyourvoiceLinks to me:Website: https://www.arendeu.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/aren.deu/Twitter: https://twitter.com/arendeuFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/aren.singhLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aren-deu-65443a4b/Podcast: https://www.findyourvoicepodcast.com YouTube: http://tiny.cc/51lx6yLinks to Pete Sanga:Amazon business Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Sanga-Aromatherapy-oils-2383077878401459/Amazon businesss link: https://amzn.to/2xkLdXEFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/pete.sanga YouTube transcript[Music]welcome to an episode of find your voicea movement led by yours trulyAren Deu a guy who has overcomecrippling anxiety adversity anddifficulty like so many of you in lifewhose main goal now is to help youcombat your excuses take control of yourlife write your own story and mostimportantly find your voice so nowwithout further ado I welcome the hostof the show himself mr. Aren Deu what'sgoing on people thank you for tuning into another episode of fine your voice myname is Aaron and as always I am thehost of the show so sitting herethinking before I released this podcastwhy is it that we always need somethingbad to happen in our lives for us toappreciate the good things or even thesmaller things the more beautiful thingsthat we often take for granted and maybethis is just a human trait but it'ssomething that I'm trying to get throughin this movement I find your voice isthat I want you guys to start livingright now and I want you to findsomething that fulfills you I want youto be happy I want to live in gratitudeyou see I put these stories out here foryou guys to listen to not to make youfeel miserable or to feel sad or startto cry I put these stories out there toshow you how lucky you are you see weare all very blessed and we're all verylucky if we choose to see it that wayyou see living in a moment of gratitudeis fantastic but living a day a week amonth a year in fact your whole life ingratitude that's just so much better andwhat I want you guys to do is to startto take on these tips that we'vementioned in this episode coming forwardbut then go back and listen to thepeople on this show who have sharedtheir story so bravely and so openly andhonestly and think about how your lifeis maybe better than their life in termsof you haven't had to suffer with canceryou haven't had to suffer with blindnessyou haven't had to be homeless forexample and then really start to look inyour own life and start to live withgratitude because that is the key yousee we're all chasing happinesshappiness is a numberone goal and it should be the number onegoal for all of us and through that wechase fulfilment as well and if you canget those two in line then you're gonnahave a fantastic life but what I don'twant you to do is to wait untilsomething bad happens I don't want youto have to experience cancer like ourguest today shares his experience and itwas actually cancer that actually gavehim his life back in almost now youcould see it he's loving his life and heopenly admits it as wellin this episode that it was cancer thatreally made him start to live again butI don't want none of us listening tothis show to have to go through cancerin order to start living because we cando it right now we can all go out thereand find our voice and really try andstart to write our own story sohopefully you guys enjoyed this episodeit was fantastic for me because it didexceed my expectations and if you do geta chance please do hit us up on socialmedia as well we are quite active anddon't forget if you get a chance as wellplease do share it with somebody else aswellto maybe inspire and motivate them to goout there and find their voice sowithout further ado let's get thisinterview on the way I'd like to startthis show by welcoming Pete to the showand I want to thank Pete for taking timeout of his day today to come and sharehis story so Pete thank you for comingon to the show you know I'll come takeyou things like him and you're verywelcome and really appreciate it I thinkit's going to be useful for theiraudience to get to know a bit aboutyourselfso if you wouldn't mind if you can kindof give us like a summary take as longas you need in relation to the life ofPete for example tell us some of yourups tell us some of your dance and thenbasically what brings you here todayperfect no problem and hi audienceI'm glad you listen it is and well whyyou sort of story is I'm not amulti-millionaire or anything like thatfar from it but I live a verycomfortable life and it hasn't alwaysbeen like thatI mean I'm 53 years old so you canimagine when my upbringing from myparents how that was in a very strictupbringing we was always sort ofmonitored by our pens back in game dayswith the early days of very few Asiancommunity in the UK and they had to sortof build their reputation so we resortedvery close communitywe have been declawed close communityparents always took hold of what you hadto do days basically sort of had yourlife for yourselves in mahjong days andI was kind of rebellious with my dadbecause always always one that wanted todo my own thing the way I want to butcourse you have to have respect for yourparents and sort of listen to them aswellso I as I said Oh print being invadeit's a tight community Asian communityand as a site to sort of get older andgoing to school into sort of sixteenseventeen this is where I sort ofstarted to understand that you know Idon't want to follow the footsteps of myparents and Adorno follow the footstepsof my brothers and sisters and GauravUniversity or anything like that Ididn't want to be stuck behind a deskwhen that's what my parents wanted to beI was more inclined to sort of lookingto I used to see it market and I thinkwow I want to do that I don't want to dothat and you know that's how my thoughtswere and so as I got to about 16 17 Istarted kind of rebelled against what myparents wanted and but again same thingyou know you have to have some elementof respect for your pen so I stillfollowed them and I'll put till the agessort of 21 ish when I got married andand we then brought her family businessand and again we started working in thefamily business but it's not somethingthat I wanted it wasn't for me so eventhough I worked in there and putting thehours as long with my with my brothersand it's not something that I wanted todo and what really changed my mindor changed me was when I became ill whenit was about round about 25 and at thattime I had two children and one of themhere and well two boys and I had contactand sort of that's where that's whatreally changed my perspective about lifeand because when you fall into I mean ohno people about cancer and they've curedand they've come every but the initialshock of that was like wow you know Imean I remember sitting on the stagewith my wife and I'm telling my wife andI'm sitting there crying my eyes outthinking and your whole life goes byhere and especially when things likethat I mean nowadays you know they somany curious for so many diseases butwhen you're looking when you're goingback 20 odd years there was there wasn'tas many curious so you know you havethis flashback of your life and youthink wow I'm not gonna be here what'smy kids gonna do and all these thoughtsstart to run through your head and youknow and I remember sitting under stairsand said crying I like that and what dadcame in and he looked at this and hewent there what's the matter what youcrying for and at all my dad okay my hogand even though and he was sort ofstrong I could see sense that he it wasone of them things like wow you knowthis is happening to my son and sayingyou ever went through a treatment andchemotherapy and he was in and out ofhospital I lost a lot of weight and Iyou know sort of kind of lost confidenceas well because I was what I would saywas a greatly confident person but I wasquite confident in myself and I've lostall my confidence as well and my sistershe gave me a book which was there yourguardian angels and as a while I was inhospital I started to read this guide inangels thinking what's this about youknow guardian angels and you justtotally changed my life in the sense ofwe've just read good just reading thebook I thought wow this is there suchthing as this guardian angel is theresuch thing as a spiritual world andthat's why where my spirituality cameout and from there you should have sortof started to progress and as I cameonce I was out of hospital and had donemy chemotherapy and fetal healthy I knewthat I had to do my own thing my own wayand I wanted to be and how I canprogress it wasn't always easy becauseyou always you have this and how prettyyou have this education or you have thisyour your upbringing embedded into youyou see so then they're deep into yoursubconscious mind so they alwaysflop back out and you start to thinkwell should I should I or shouldn't Ibut I know I wanted to move away fromthe family and do my own thing and whichis sort of what I started to do gonnajust pause for a bit or we can jump inthere so there are a couple of things inrelation to that so you always knew froma very young age you mentioned like from1617 you were you're probably differentto your siblings yeah you want to dosomething different and I kind of Icould resonate with that myself so I wasforced in inverted commas to kind of gothrough the academic route because I wasvery I could pick up things very quicklyyeah I didn't want to do any of thatit was never my interest I always wantto kind of go against the grain I wantto be a boxer I wanted to do you cry Iwant to do all the stuff I said ontelevision but he has different stuffand there was an element that I supposesomewhere along the line I kind ofresented the decisions and I was havingto like make my parents happy rathermake myself happy fortunately for me Ididn't have to experience kind sir inorder to really be like okay now I needto just do what's done for me and itkind of seems like cancer was your kindof wake-up call a mass of thingdo you know what I have to look aftermyself yeah and put myself first and itwas it's quite emotional for me justthinking about that moment when you'resitting on the stairs and you and you'retelling your family is stuff I justthought this is just giving you a bookabout the guardian angel and stuff Ithink that's come probably a good timebecause I absolutely did you agree thatif that come it should give you thatbook yeah we'll probably thought once itchanges your perception of do you knowchange started to change the way I'llthink and I need all honesty when Istart to read the book and I started tosort of understand each chapter one at atime I thought wow you know this isamazing can this really be possiblecould you elaborate on something fromthat or something that you maybe do nowyeah of course yeah and so what I'velearnt from that book was of course itstarted to open other doors and otheravenues in Lord of Attraction as aspeople know it I don't know there's alot of it back now whereas when we wasyounger it was it wasn't it wasn't aboutwhat he's still about but we wasn'taware of him but he's a lot more aboutof it often now so and then you know Idon't know thousands if not millions ofpeople's heard of the secret and so thenthatbook came into my hands and it was itjust happened to be that I went onto acourse and which is an angel course andhis spiritual core so as I went thereand this is the lady that was conductingit her name was Angela so and she toldus about this secret and the secretwebsite so I wrote it downsuza go home was sort of jumped on thewebsite got the thing he got the DVDbecause there's gotta be somethingindecent what's what's so good aboutthis or anyway are played it and thenwhat made my two boys what it sat therewatching me and I was totally sort ofenclosed in this secret because thatwhat they were saying is your thoughtsbecome your reality this was for me itwas like a turning point because Ithought wow if that was the case and wowI can create anything the one was withthe kids they were still young therewasn't sort of so much interested in itand so that's where he progressed fromso now you know I have a special routinein the morning and a follow every dayand it's all due to this I guess I cancall it positive thing times Olivia andit's all due to these positive thinkingand you know when you start to think ina certain way certain doors will startto open for youbut you have to trust in your way ofthinking and you have to trust inyourself even though all throughout lifeand even in today's day and age and howfast forward we have become even todayyou still have their thoughts you stillhave to battle with your own mindbelieve it or not and with your negativethought you know you're constantlyfighting against them and like I said toyou know before we started you know youhave a thought you sort of you sort ofhave a negative thought if you like andbefore you know it your negativethoughts your your conscious mindstarting tell you something and beforeyou know you're not that's spiraled intoyour hair before blonde conversationswith yourself you know you're sitting inyour car and you're home or whatever andyou're talking to yourself and you'rehaving this complex it's conversationwith yourself and you're sort offighting with yourself you know onevoice against another and I don't knowif that makes sense you know you sort offighting with yourself and you reallyhave to start to understand your thoughtand that's one of the thingslearn to do is understand my thoughtsand when I'm having a thought like thatI instantly think to myself okay this isthis is the right thought no it's notand I'll stop put a stop to the Thorntonright away because you are in control ofyour own thinking nobody else controlsit for you so you know what you arethinking so if you start to realize thatyou was thinking something that's hasn'teven happened you can stop that thoughtright away when you stop it do youreplace it with something or replace ityeah you have to replace it withsomething positive say for example ifyou're having an emotional thought let'sjust say something bad happened you knowyou you're on your way you've got aparking ticket or you or something likethat you don that's a negative thing andthe first thing you do when you get aparking tickets in your effing andblinding station and and you know andyou know then that you know be from thatanger anything of blinding thinking thatyou know it starts to escalate so if youright away realize all and this is thisis not right it you know what's whatcould be good about there having aparking ticket and then think ofsomething that these positive factorsare negative so when you start to thinkof something positive I'm an 18 it couldwell be this you might have had aparking ticket you might have grabbed aparking ticket God to speak todayconductor or whatever I'm bumped intosomebody who you spontaneously you knowbumped into somebody who is we put yourright you know you and you might haveyou know anything could have happenedwith those gratitude in having a carabsolutely yeah yeah anything you knowanything but as long as you sort ofrealize that you're having this negativethought and without letting this spunout of control with hundreds of otherthoughts stop it right away stop it andchange you to find a positive in thatnegative like I said it could be thatyou've got you could be grateful to youyou've got him you come to meet make ameeting absolutely if that you know hewas worried about your parking ticketthen you might not have gone on to thatmeeting and gain somethingokay knowledge or whatever it is youknow so if there's always a positive ina negative and that's what you have tosort of learn to do it's not the easiestthing in the world who is there but withpractice it becomes perfect that'sinteresting because this is justmeanness or cancers effectivemy family is taking members of my familyaways it's affecting my family some ofthem now so a very negative connotationtowards cancer I sometimes put myself ina position and think if I was to everget cancer or something but a particularpoint I just can't help but think that Iwill feel sorry for myself at some stagehave you ever felt that yeah you do as Isaid that you know it's it's it's notyour normal yeah absolute normal youknow you can't control your thoughts toa degree well you can you can't becausewhen something as severe as cancer orother illness hit you you can't see anyway out so of course it's not so foranybody to think you know how would Ifeelbut as I said earlier on you know you weare you are in control of your thoughtsas long as you don't put emotion intosomething it can never happen it's onlyemotion that creates your reality whenyou paint a picture of what you want andhow you want your life to be yourconscious and your subconscious minddoesn't know the difference betweenright and wrongit just doesn't know the difference itonly responds to what your want pictureyou're painting it so when you're youngas I said you know your pet your parentshave painted how your picture is goingto be so your subconscious mind thenwhen your conscious mind then has tobuild your life around your parentspicture or the picture that you'vecreated or they're created not just yourparent it's society its schooleverything and anything after the sortof ages 10 when you develop fullydevelop your conscious mind after theage of 10 anything after that is whatyour picture has been built on based onyour school your parenting or andsociety itself you know you have to sortof try to understand your thoughts youthink there's a lot and as long as youcan control or though what you'rethinking you can always change it thehardest part of changing something isthat you have to change all your softconscious if people understand what thatmeans if they don't then I went tohighly recommendlooking into that because it's a veryvery powerful part of us it's a part ofour mind and can create reality for youso if you don't understand whatsubconscious is then I so stronglysuggest that you go out and listen to oreven you know we books on that if youdon't like reading like me listen toaudiobooks I love listening yeahmotivation you see and you can learn alot from it so that's what you reallyhave to do you have to sort of thinkabout what you're thinking about thinkabout what you're thinking about all thetime and then stop when you start itwhen you start having it sort of anegative thoughts stop that and thenthink of a positive what could be thepositive thing what is it that you wantin life to change the picture that yourparents have built or society is builtfor you changing that jigsaw yourconscious mind doesn't want to change ajigsaw because you imagine you've made agreat massive jigsaw puzzle here andyou're trying to take the middle of thatjigsaw puzzle add and change it and howhard would it be to change that jigsawpuzzle so that's why your conscious mindis constantly fighting with you to stopyou doing that any fight with you bysending yeah but what if this happensthis is gonna happen this is gonnahappen and reality is just all you'redoing it fighting with you know elseisn't it yeah yeah so that's how yousort of change you know reality that'sbrilliant that's that's powerfulthat's something actually that's foranyone that is this and there's a bookcalled the chip paradox and he actuallyexplains it so it's quadratures paradoxof what he says is you have the chimpwhich is your like your subconsciousthrough then you have a computer whichis kind of the logical side of you butwhat he says is the chimp is morepowerful yeah and it's unless we controlthis chimp whether it's through changingour thought processes and the thingsthat we were taught to believeabsolutely absolutely then the chainsgoing to take over runs on it and that'sexactly what happens we do 95 90 95percent of our societyand yeah yeah you like absolutely yourchip will always try to control what itwants you to do but deep down if youstart to understand it anything ispossible but even having said that it'snot just his thoughts it's it's agratitude you have to put into thingyou know I mean I once all grateful forI mean I can explain sort of you knowwhat my routine isn't when I get a bunchof virtually the next thing so yeah yeahthe routine yeah so for myself what I dowhen I get up in the morning my generalroutine I mean on the early riser somore put three o'clock in the morningand one of the things I've learned andI'll never ever do is put the snoozebutton on now that I ever put snoozebutton or people do that but that's nota really a positive thing to do you knowyou as soon as oh yeah my alarm goes offI'm out of bed my feet hit the floor andthe first thing I do is I put my headtogether and then I go thank you so muchfor another day ahead of me and he'sfeeling that gratitude of another daywhether that day is gonna be the same asyesterday or not matters not it'sanother day I listen to a lot ofaffirmations in the morning as well sowhen you get up in the morning what Ilearned is that your subconscious mindyour conscious mind hasn't quite kickedin so you're still in your subconsciousand state so when you start to feed yoursubconscious state with positiveaffirmations your day will flowperfectly so first thing I'll do is ofgovernment phone I'll put my headphoneson I'll get dressed and I start to playaffirmations positive affirmations oreven relaxing music just to calm I'mlike that and so while I'm goingtesticle have a yeah you know I meanI'll have a shower in the night in caseyou think I think I've had a shower inthe night and so while I'm brushing myteeth I'll still got this headset on soI'll put 20 minutes or so I've got thisheadset on listening to affirmations andwhile I'm having breakfast on listen toaffirmations and I Drive to worklistening to an audiobook and um howyour mind works there's some great booksout there no doubt you've heard of manyof them I love listening to if you don'tmind the answer yeah actually you knowsomeone a box I mean I love listening toThink and Grow Rich by Napoleon HaydenI'm sure millions of poverty read a bookand the other book I think is fantasticand people should really haven'tis the science of getting rich by whatis what'll again it's it's it's heexplained it's a science of game richand it's a great book to if you I meanyou can buy it but if you don't want tobuy it you can get on YouTube and inlisten to it so for forty minutes fromall the way to work on listening to D soI'm always trying to feed my mind withpositive affirmations positive vibes allthe way to work and obviously onceyou've done your work come back home onmy way back home I'm genuinely back onfor about seven in the morning so I'mone ear out at the house for a few hoursand when I'm back home I take the dogfor a walkanother relaxing way to do that and thenI get when I'm when I'm home obviously aboo gone to work by then and then I domy meditation and we solved for the nexthour and so I sit there and I focus whatI want out of life and how I want mylife to be and so I do a meditation thenlisten to some great meditation musicagain you can get on YouTube if youdon't I use one called calm on iTunes itis one that you have to pay for whatyeah it's absolutely fantastic I sawmany on there it's great but as I saidthere's lots of free ones you know youjust have to find one that resonateswith you so once of a sort of listenedand once I've done my own meditation Igenerally fall asleep for an hour songtwo hours and so it's in a sort of fallasleep for about a couple of hours andthen back up to ten o'clock I've startedto do exercises now when I hadn't beforeeven though when I was younger I spent alot of time exercising but when I gothere I sort of lost confidence inxdesign so i starting to sort of carryback into exercising nothing bank am buti have so for ten o'clock consider do 20minutes of sort of general exercise andand and ice get on go about Monday I'llstart work about two o'clock again tohave two and once again I'll start Ionly listen or try to listen toaudiobooks you know any kind of audioBob Proctor is another fantastic I meanhe's amazing you know I know he's on thesecret but he's so he's been doing thisfor 50 years and he's somebody knowswhat they're talking abouthe is a man that knows what he's talkingabout and so I listen to a lot and a lotof his and audio books I listen to a lotof time Roberts and again and does agreat motivator so I'm always listeningto these books and that awesomewhilst I'm at work I generally come homearound 1:00 to finished up getting homefor seven have a meal I try to relax bywatching not so much TV programs butmore very old-fashioned God programs ifyou like and and the reason of watchthem is because it's it's it explains toyou that what we have now has alwaysbeen there but we just we just didn'trealize it so it's in resonates back toyou how you can move forward with whatwe have well I've always had and thegenerally don't got a bed and again onceagain I've always got to sleep at nightand before I go to sleep I just bethankful for my whole day you know Ithink about all the the thing I've donetoday even though my day routine isgenerally the same and I might have metsomebody new there so I always sort ofgratitude to everything I have even mymeals or sit down and I'm you know youwhen I say gratitude because he'sgratitude is part of development so ifyou're not grateful for something thenhow can you be grateful for what youwant to something so you really have tobe grateful for and I know there's lotsof people there's a wall I can't begrateful until I get this box if that'sthe way you're thinking as we spokeearlier on you're only gonna get more ofwhat you're putting out so if you'rethinking I'm not grateful for somethingyour only your your subconscious mindonly sees that you're not grateful forsomething and you know you're feelingsad about something so he thinks ah okayoh yeah it's not about this I'll giveyou more of that so that's how yourcontent works and fall asleep againlistening to youmusic until the next day I don't knowfalling asleep so in the middle of thenight when this thing he's office stillgot my head said oh we should take offpretty so and then you know so that's mydaily routine every day yes it's almostlike the curse of cancer that came intoyour life has always made your lifebetter totally think shame because itthat's it for me it took for me to getill to get where I am I mean you know Ihad a business which and was almost gonealmost bankrupt me because I reallystruggled but had it not been for whatI'd learned over the years I think thatI would have really got into itdepression but because of what I learnedover the years when I did have mybusiness and that didn't work as well asI expected it to and it's just one ofthem things and yes I worried a lotabout it and opera and Laura's worryingin the family put up trying to keep itaway from them as well because I didn'twant them to feel under pressure to helpand there was absolutely fantastic youknow hats off to my family then theystepped in and they sort of we workedtogether and you know and it's anotherthing that I think I should point out isthat when you have when you when you'reworried about something and even worriedabout not telling your parents ortelling your family it's a wrong thingto do because if your family is alwaysthere to understand and support you andjust it's surprising how much taken justjust by taking or talking to somebodyhow much of a burden you can take offyour shoulders and that's what I did yousee but just boy even though they didn'tsort of okay here we'll do this withthis but just talking to them took awayso much of my worries and but as I saidif it wasn't for what I've learned overthe previous year is about beingpositive I wouldn't have come out ofthat business feeling better for myselfand you know going on six or seven yearsnow more than that now here 10 years orso moving forward 10 years you know I'vecreated another great business you knowII'm really happy within them andprogress it's always because you have toprove you have to think of yourself andyour family and move forward with themabsolutely so a couple of good pointsday is born obviously it's easier saidthan done but we shouldn't have to waitfor a cancer or death or something youknow like these are simple things thatevery single one of us on a daily basisand so I ask this question can start todo it's not gonna take us long to justsit there for best part of two threeminutes and just think of all the thingswe're grateful for every single morningand it slowly become easier thenobviously throughout the day we'llnotice more and more things yeah andthen listening to positive stuff sohopefully people listening to this canjust take on this now yeah rather thanhave to wait for something bad in partand then just live in this on what it'salmost like a bliss because you justappreciate every single momentabsolutely right sometimes we will gothrough life and six months tormentsurpassed and you've never really livedin the moment because you've won binanxious about the past and to you I sawyou anxious about the future untilyou've been depressed about the past soit's a dangerous place to be absolutelyit's almost like living in today youalso said talking to people so this issomething that I actually mentioned on aprevious podcast so I struggled withanxiety struggled a lot with overwhelmand similar to yourself I'm trying ityou look after my family I'm trying tocomfort my wife and my siblings and Idon't want to put the burden on them mymom suffered in depression so she'sloved a best friend by the same time Idon't want to have any stress there aswell but then sometimes if it's too muchand I do speak to her yeah she doesn'tsolve the problem but I felt so muchbetter which she feels better that Icould buy dinner yeah same with myfriends or my wife whoever I speak to ittalking is so powerful it's a massivemassive thing but as humans what I meanconnection speaking is it's part of usand because the song takes a turn thatfollows 24 so absolutely we will lose aconnectionabsolutely I think you know that's againlike you said you know is you when youtalk into somebody somebody when youhold it in yourself you're creatingnothing but bad feelings for yourselfbut when you're let that energy outyou've it's almost as if you've left letout and a massive ball of negativeenergy you know that's how you gotacidity is a and you know and it's hardsometimes understand you know certain 16certain things in such a situation yousometimes find it hard totalk to somebody but the best wayforward and I've always found is thatyou know if you can't talk to yourfamily then talk to somebody who'sconfused you're close with you know justtake that off your chest and it makesyou feel so much better and your mindwill always fight you against it becausethey want you to hold and I know itsounds bad do you thinking to yourselfwell why wouldn't my mind want to dothat for me and it's always one see italways sort of and give you a picture ofoh yeah but if you if you told decentI'm gonna do this ad singly and you knowyou but you're creating something hasn'teven happened creating scenario you knowwe're going back again you know creatinga picture of what you want if you wantif you want to if you finally difficultto talk to somebody then imagine it inyour head and I know those who have readand Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hillof one of the things he used to do washe used to have a board meeting and withsome of the richest people in the worldin his head not physically with in yourhead and I mean he could if you canimagine something like that so and it'seasy to imagine thing you know you couldyou can imagine something like like justlike that if I said to you now think ofa pink elephant instantly you'll bethinking of a pink elephant if you'resaying stick your face in the kitchenyou'll be thinking of that so you cancreate emotion to that yeah absolutelyabsolutely without emotion there's lotsof elements that you have to puttogether for the law of attraction towork emotion is one of them gratitude isanother one the positive thinking isanother one and individually you knowimage in your head and what you wantyour life to be is another one when youstart to combine these things togetherthat's when your life starts to changeof people using this Lord of Attractionhas changed in life totally change yourlife around within 12 months just by Imean it takes 30 days to create thething is with life itself which we'vecreated habits and hobbies can bechanged it takes time to change habitsbut habits can be changedI love that and the final point I justwant to add to that is you mentioned abusiness that you've just started thatyou're very happy with we have anotherbusiness because we've got the productson there it's probably packed in one ofthese boxes now because we're movinghouse not okayjoining just share that briefly justwith the ordinance a lot when I firstheard about it I was like that's quitean innovative is quite interesting okaystraight away can you just starting fromscratch sure yeah yeah and others heredo I do my full time I guess it's a jobbut it's not job because he's stillself-employed and do my parcel businessbut always wanted to be sort of anonline trader so what I started to dowas I looked at ways I can make moneyonline Amazon was a biggest platform soI was learned how to sort of startedlooking more into how Amazon works andso I learned how to through theirlearning program and he can learn Lee toAmazon sort of learned how to sellproducts on Amazon and that's what I'mmoving forward with and I've got aproduct on there now which and which isaromatherapy oils but he's one of themthings that sort of well it's a bit of arisk to take but again if you wantsomething to happen you have to have apositive outcome of it and so I startedto understand and learn a lot aboutAmazon and how they were what what to doand learnt the coursethey've had to promote the product howwhere to find a product had to getproduct once I understood all that I'mstill learning from it's not somethingthat yeah fully understood I'm stilllearning from them I started as I said Iimported my first product and it's beengreat you know really has my wife usesit I think that's actually okay yeah itis a great product done yeah just onthat as well so soft and you hear peoplethinking they can't do nothing we haveall these limiting beliefs and they seewhat we can do in life and yeah you justthought okay I wanted to start abusiness and you probably wouldn't youprobably just figured it out along theway yeah you are not selling a productunless that's a lesson to anyone like ifthis is something you want with theright mindset and then obviously theaction nothing impossible without actionyou know you it's no good having theoldest mindset yeah positive thinkingwhen you take no action you you know youhave to take action if it's somethingthere's somelooking to do you know sell online itdoesn't have to be Amazon there's lotsof other platforms on thereI chose Amazon because I was on is deepBiggie's platform to sell and I choseAmazon because I found it you can I canI don't have to store the product at allI'll send it to their warehouseeverything they deal with a moment yeahabsolutely and their fulfillment centerthat deal with the customers they dealwith the returns of course anything thatis returned luckily for me I finally hadone product returned in all the onesthat have sold and then they theycontact you so you have nothing you knowthat this is the biggest fear withpeople they think well how can I startoh I'm Christie what about customerseries what about this but this withAmazon they deal with all that with youyeah of course they target fee which isunderstandable but you have to find aproduct then you can now incorporate allthat and you can make and still make aprofit out of it you know you you knowyou could there's lots of people onAmazon that making great massive massivemonthly incomes and it's it is possibleand you just have to trust in yourselfto do it and that's the hardest thingtrusting yourselfif it's something that you know it's forthe listeners if something that you'repassionate about then use that productuse that as a product absolutely I wantyou to put that in there because I'veseen you use the product as well yeah soit's not like a shameless plug or anyyeah yeah it's inspiring because if Iask someone say for instance my dad ormy own course or something do that thefirst thing that says all are configuredI don't know about the internet and wehave a lot of people in the audience wejust automatically have exclusivestraightaway absolute is always it'sjust refreshing to hear somebody justsay you know what what it actually showsthat everything you're putting inpractice in your daily routines like theaffirmation is opposed to thinking yeahyou put it into practice any practice oryou foods I think that's the thing withall the community because I mean I'm 53and if I can make changes at 53 peopleat that age if not youngerI mean exactly majority to preparepeople you know once they get past fortyforty five to think that's it I thinkthe life is overyou can't progress you can't learn youthe game started yeah it's just startingand I just gain started don't letthings top of you because when you'reyoung you have a whole you could you gotyour whole life in front of you whenyou're 40 your passport you're gettingclose to 50 you think that you've onlygot a few years but just in a few yearsif you with the right mindset it justwithin a few years you can change thewhole life around if that's what youwant being all free absolutely peopleare living longer now resolve of courseyeah yeah definitely Brit okay thank youfor that so we spoke about diversityquite a bit and we spoke obviously thebusiness stuff we spoke about thepersonal health problems as well if youcould just choose one of your biggestlessons that you've learned from thatexperience so I'm going that you had themindset of something but if you can justsay to somebody maybe who's experiencedin it now or going through term orwhether it's cancer or any other illnessif you can just give them one lessonthat you've taken from that situation Iwould say that you know just as hardwhen giving that situation but just tryto see things as I say just try and lookat the light at the end of the tunnelyou know just try to focus on yougetting better you moving forward youwanting the thing that you want insteadof focusing on something and Iunderstand that it's hard because I'vebeen there and but just try to listenand the best way did it one of the otherthings I absolutely love doing is I lovelistening to music that I love becausehe just makes you feel so much betterso if you are going through a tough timelisten to your favorite song don't losesight of you joy yeah something that youenjoy listening to listen to a rock soyou know not so much a rock song in thesense of rock song I mean something thathas a fantastic you know I always findthat that helps me to feel better so andyeah you know just just try to staypositive really you know it's a toughsituation to be more you just have tolearn to stay positiveyeah that's brilliant thank you for thatI'm in this particular moment right thissecond what is your biggest fear andfear is another to say this now becausefear is just a thought it's just thoughtthat can be told controlled when youhave a fear you can always change yourfeeling too and onso I try to avoid having a fear becauseI'm not saying don't not worried aboutanything I'm always worried about thefuture and have I done enough too butwhen I pass how I done enough on thisearth for those were living here now forwhen I pass that means my biggestconcern blooded and I fear because Ithink when you use the word fear I don'tknow a lot of people do but I from whatI've learned one of the things Iunderstand these learn to understandthese fear it's just a word it's a wordthat's used by everybodyso when somebody uses the word fear youinstantly think the worst of somethingso no no that's not what you wanted tohear but I think that they when you usethe word fear you sort of think of theworst but to me don't think of the wayfear and it's hard not to but don'tthink of me think of something think ofit as a unless fear forward if you likebut yeah well my biggest concern is howabout done enough on earth and for thosecoming okay that's one of my biggestinterested and has that purpose of yoursthat why without motivation to leave theworld given as much as usually has thatonly stemmed since again that I don'twant to keep touching on it but theyHansard incident absolutely yeah yeahyeah and that's interesting because alot of people I find that go throughadversity in life or have been throughhardship they almost become selfless andthey just want it almost in that momentwhen they're so great for this stuffthey want to give back more yeah yeah Ithink before that we kind of do live aselfish life yeah absolutely because I Iwas kind of selfish I only reallythought about myself I didn't eventhough I've respected what my pen said Iwould kind of well my life I could dowhat I like or no and even you knowgoing back down I remember my fathersitting me down once and he went and hesaid you know you're going down thewrong path because I started gettinginvolved with the wrong people he saidyou're gonna shame us and he was likethat backing when I was growing up hesaid you're gonna put shame on us andyou're gonna end up in prison because hethought I was gonna end up in prison andbut I you know I was not but I wanted todo what I want to docare about that I just want to do what Iwant to do for what I dye my hair with adime appears like yeah you can't stop meeven though respecting him when I didn'tdo a pop it was one of the thoughts ofhim that was going through her head andso ya can say for me cancer was thebiggest biggest thing that changed andmaybe that's what I neededyou know things they were say the thingscome for a reason maybe that is what Ineededthat's a wake-up call this is why Iactually love like I love dis as part ofmy job because I get to meet people atyou and without having to go through thepain and that you've been through yeahit inspires me so much like this isinspiring but I have sometimes will betalking and I'll be like episode 4so-and-so said this how dare I feelsorry for myselfyeah I'm it doesn't get me through theday and I'll always think I'm blessedbecause when I'm gonna have him speak tosomebody I always get to meet a newfriend and a new person that I form arelationship and then it just changed myperspective because I'm like I'm so muchmore grateful even now just for likehealth see you perfectly because he'sjust pointed it out you know you washaving there we're gonna use the wordnegative again we're having dailythought about something and yet youinstantly realized you was and thenchange it into something positive bysaying about somebody such as 50 centsor how dare Iand it's absolutely like you know thisthere's so many people in this worldthat are worse off than you yeah youknow you other than those who arehomeless and you know this is one of thethings I want to do and as I get betterand better and you know be able to do itis to help the homeless because unlessyou're homeless and God not you if along as you go roof of your hand yesit's always tough if you haven't got ajob and I know it's a big thing and abig concern but yeah if you got a roofover you should be gratefulalways be playing with without gratitudeabsolutely can't move forward and Ithink I think that's that's a brilliantpoint I think it's something though wedo have to do every day because againadversity everything he goes foreveryone's life and I've had momentswhen but death happens all of a suddenfor that month but you're you you'regrateful for everything and you knowlife's too short please share everythingbut then you get very quickly back intotheir old habits happy so that's why Ialways readit should be like a day absolutely youtouch on the homeless thing so I'm I'mvery fortunate my parents are very likeloving people so we foster children andit's laughs okay well you're my sisterthen we adopted and my mom tried toadopt every single kid that coming tothe house and laughs there's no room inthe house so I've got like three whitesiblings and we've got Asian sister aswell was adopted and seeing them andseeing like their issues in terms oflike disabilities there weremalnutrition when they first came thereTestament disorders it made me sograteful like it changed my whole lifeso I gave good-paying jobs to becomelike a social worker to effectivelychange the world and it changed but thenwhat happened was when I got married andI moved into my house here we're sittingtoday yeahdon't my siblings I think about themevery single day but I don't live withthem every day to end that feeling ofgratitude every single day okaywhereas before I never had to remindmyself please job like this a nice thingpoor Kyle he might never be able todrive a car he'll never be able to dothis yeah and he used to make me feelgrateful yeah so it is something I thinklike anything like if you don't lookafter your health every single day it'sgonna deteriorate absolutely I think weshould always try and I think that's thebiggest issue and you get to a certainstage and when you're happy with yourlife you tend to start to forget aboutthat is you know just another quickpoint is you know it's not a religiousthing or I don't want to win anybodyhere but when when something bad younever think about God you go about yourday to day business but when somethingbad happens you straight away you'regoing and pray to God you know God isthere every single day yet you forgetand I know most people don't but themajority do you know they forget thathe's there every day and I even thoughI'm not a I'm a spiritual person and youknow it doesn't matter what you are deepdown with all the same so when you haveto pray to somebody then pray to themevery day if you want to if you feelthat God is your way forward and thenpray to God every day be thankful to himthat you got me walk every day not justa day that you're feeling down or youfind a bad day or you've lost your catyou lost your dog or anything else youknow every single day should be a daywhere you grateful with gratitude 100%you alcohol I think that's beautifulmessage I think it's something that I'mprobably cure you have I remember as akid man if I thought was gonna get introuble bug my parentslike God please get me through this daynever do it again I'm sure we've allkind of done yeah I thought okaybrilliant so we're actually at the funpart of the show is what I called it soit's again quickfire round of 60 to 90seconds depending when I apply you outbasically I just random questions okayare we all ready yeah okay we're gonnago in three two oneif you could abolish one thing in theworld what would it be oh yeah yourfavorite beer butter oh yeah yourbiggest role model Oh baby what wouldyou like to be remembered for the good Idid your biggest goal this year to besuccessful and help us your worstmistake not doing Eternia if you couldrelive one day again what day would itbe the very first day I was bornthe ability to fly or be invisibleinvisible the number one thing thatannoys you but habits and when your fameneither your proudest moment my childrenyour favorite foodgot a visual icing chicken would yourather speak or languages or speak toanimals what's your favorite song at theclub by the Drifters and if you had anextra hour a day how would you spend itmeditating Netflix or YouTube Netflixand the final question is the number onepiece of advice you would give to yourchildren just be yourself okay brilliantso we're approaching towards the end ofthe show now and just two more questionsthat I always like to ask my guest thenext one's about reflection I saw thisis in hindsight obviously we learn wayswhere we can get to places quicker withless heartache or by saving money forexample so if you could go back knowingeverything that you know now and allyour words of wisdom and everything thatwe've spoken about in the show to ayounger time when maybe you wereconfused or going through a time whereyou had no clarity in your life yeah andyou can just whisper something in theyounger piece yeah yeah did you say goneback if I had and I think that this mayyou know I was thinking these yes noweven though I would tell myself that thefuture is what you create the Tippie soif you want your future to be betterpaint that picture in your head andthat's what I would whisper to myselfpaint the picture of how you want yourlife to be and it will create itthat's Brittany I think the more watersthe develop my dream and stuff as wellthat's more what I try and do is I likevision board and stuff and I think Ithink maybe as children as well we dothat but there's somewhere betweenchildhood when you've got that innocenceto growing up yeah we tend to lose it Ithink the vision boards are fantasticand I think that a great thing to havebecause it gives you a idea of how youwant your life to be but the whole timeto that to that is when somebody makes avision board they forget that they canchange that vision board and once you'velooked at it a few times it's just theresitting on the wall of what I tend to dois I've read my goals every morning I'llhave a book written in there what I wantmy average day to be like and I read thebook everything is pretty detailed ofhow I would like to be and I sit downand read it and if there's something alot I don't like in it I always draw itout and change it and I think withthings like vision boards and eventhough I did a great thing like I saidbut vision boards is a massive pictureof you know I feel Bree wants to bemulti millionaire and they know we'renear there it's it's an image where youthink well I'm not gonna get there butif you take small steps because visionboards can be expanded it can be changedbut I think people when who make visionboards are I'm not sure about yourselfof people who make vision boards tendnot to change it so then look at it onceor twiceliterally for a month or so after that -forget the vision boards he's there butyou know going forward it's not it's nota bad thing I'm not saying would yourecommend them having a two year goalit's about building confidence so ifyou're gonna like your goal down foryourself or goals down for yourself andyou've written a goal to say let's justsay for argument's say you're gonna havea million pound in a year and people dolike gods like now because the thing -what if I could create anything oragreat that create that I'm not sayingit can't be created but if y'all haven'tbut if you're not if you're not in linewith your positive thinking creatingthat video path is going to be difficultbut if you say to yourself I want tocreate a slightly similar goal so say afew sectors up I want to10,000 pounds a month 10,000 pound amonth is far achievable easilyachievable because your work hard racketabsolutely once you achieve your 10,000pounds a month you've put it and have abooster then draw your goal pika make ittwenty thousand their next month and youknow no no there's lots of people outthere don't think well I want to be amillionaire and I want to beat in a yearand but you didn't learn to speak andyou didn't know how long did it take youto learn to walk how long did it takeyou to do things now you know justgenerally to do things it takes 12 yearsfor you to go through school and learnall the things in school you're notgoing to become successful in a yearwell I'm not so don't get me wrong sorryI apologize for that it's not you're notgoing to be your mindset isn't brightguitar pitch there won't be a nomineesthat will obviously do it for the vastmajority of us we have to develop one asphere is changing one our mindset one Ihelp everything needs a line is haveyeah and we need to increase theconfidence and our skill set in all ofthose yeah and one of the things that II suppose I've suffered with I saw Idon't do vision boards myself is that nopeople do is when I used to have thesebig goalssomewhere along their journey if you'retrying to be like an entrepreneur tryingto find your way life yeah when yourealize how far you are from you goesyou become very dissatisfied to me andtrying to think of the right words forit be they the lack of motivation yeahbecause you think I'm just so far awayfrom it and even though you might havecome so far the J yank yeah you forgethow far you've come because you'relooking to have my uni heroso this is what I'm saying about visionboards you see becausevision boards are a great thing but ifyou're making a vision board and yourjourney is to be you know a supersuccessful entrepreneur but you're onlyhere you're not seeing absolutely howyou come you you're looking at that andyou you kind of can't get demotivatedbecause you know with anything it can'tbe change but if you're making a goalthat stopped being absolute but you'rehere so that's why that's my adviceno I think that's great advice is so ifwe use the analogy that IowaI can relate to very quickly is healthand fitness so everyone wants a six-packin just absolutely the number onequestion I always get a song that'sabsolutely fine we can get you asix-pack we can help you but it startswith one rep in the gymyeah starts with you going to the gymthat one day yeah and you can't ever getthere any quicker no matter how much youwould have to do that ripyeah then unfortunately you have to do alot of them reps and yeah you can't justdo one on one day you can't just sithere for 24 hours or let's do sit-upsanother city like the world it's aprocess and it's about understandingthat so yeah I think that's it it's apretty answer good answer and thatcertainly actually brings us to the lastquestion and the last question is if in150 years science fails to save us andnone of us are here and it's justhopefully my podcasts by then all thatremains is a book and this book is aboutyou everything in your life or the goodthings you've done or the wonderfulthings and all the people's lives you'vetouched and everything yeah what wouldthe back of the book tell us to makesomebody want to pick it up about youand also what would the title be well Ithink if I was who write a book thetitle of my book would have to be a caryou say Think and Grow Rich butsomething along the lines you knowthoughts I would say I would say it'shard to sort of define them an actualname for the Papa I would say somethingalong the lines of use your thoughtswell think carefully and think aboutwhat you want you know it's hard todefine a name think carefully that'sthat's quite interesting yeah it's sortof something along them lines and withthe back of the book create the lifethat you want by thinking history youknow think about how you painted apicture painting an image on your lifecreate an image of how you want what youlike to be it's hard to sort of it'sfine to be honest I think everythingthat you've said in this episode haskind of told us about the nerve of ityeah and I think the probably the mostimportant thing like you said it's thinkcarefully yeah because you realizedthrough your trials in tribulations isthat if your thought processes thatmanifesto LSU and make your existenceand everything but yeah I think that'sthe biggest thing really you know whenyou're somebody's gonna pick somethingup they're gonna think about what theyare doing what about you as a person howwould you how would you want to beremembered I would like to be rememberedas somebody who diddividing therefore everybody you knowdid the right thing for those who areless fortunate or try to do the wrongthing I think yeah that's brilliantthank you I think that's a great answerand I'm just a final note so we aregonna put your Amazon link in for yourvisit I think you definitely shoulddefinitely if people are interested inthemso it's it's an oil it's a variation allRoma therapy oils basically they're thenatural products there there's noartificial cooling or the fieldadditives in it and they can be used foryour health purposes there's cárdenas aswell and he tells you what you can whatthe purpose of these are and so each oilcan be used for various things I mean Iuse the head of tose so there's a andthere's an oil in there kiddo and Ithink it is that same as witch witchhazel if you're cruising if thought itactually takes your pain away but Idon't have anything okay so and againI'll use the oils to put in the SteamMop just a few tops fantastic you coulduse them in diffuser so there's manyuses for them yeah I got my wife as wellyeah and alongside that are you onsocial media as well is there a way orwould you be open to banners connectingwith yourself and yeah I mean if anybodyyou know wants any answers or questionsalways take on anything then yeah coolso I I am on social media on FacebookI'm not a big these further Facebook youknow yeah I think it's just a good pointof call because there could be somebodywho behind closed doors may haveresonated a certain part of your storymay be struggling with it may be goingfor the exact same thing yeah and thisis another thing the whole point of thispodcast is to let people know they'renot alone yeah so the story that you'regoing through I'm gonna be going throughabout a million other people who yeahthis is what it's about and it's alwaysnice when you can get somebody on theshow he's in a much better place thenyeah yeah and that's the point is artistso in that function enough when we'regoing through all the emotions and stuffand we think there is no light at theend of the tour like I thought you knowactually all of my guests havedemonstrated there is like it 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Find your voice - Episode 23 "She's just a normal girl" by Kelli Doorne #23Tagline: "Even when times are tough, she still believed that kindness was her super power and that's what got her through... " - Kelli DoorneKelli Doorne, has finally found her voice, and I am the first to say YES!Kelli bravely, opens up and shares her story of how she left home in her teenage years and became homeless. Realising that she was opting to run away when things got bad during her young years, Kellis fight of flight response never saw her stand up take account and fight.But things have moved on so much because, even as a struggling teenager who couldn't find her way in life she always relied upon her Kindness and believed deep down that this would supersede all her problems and see her through. In agreement with her thoughts, we both emphasise what a better place the world would be if we could all just be kind to one another and help each other more often, because it's the right thing to do.On a final note, knowing how much courage this took from Kelli to openly come onto the podcast and share her story I want to acknowledge her for her bravery, for the work she does in Milton Keynes and wish her all the best in the future.I also would urge you all to follow her journey but just don't tag her into anything that is related to Octopus!Thanks for listeningFree Audible book sign up:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Audible-Membership/dp/B00OPA2XFG?actionCode=AMN30DFT1Bk06604291990WX&tag=are86-21Best book on Mindset by Carol Dweck: Mindset https://amzn.to/2QajMvZSupport the podcast: https://www.patreon.com/findyourvoiceLinks to me:Website: https://www.arendeu.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/aren.deu/Twitter: https://twitter.com/arendeuFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/aren.singhLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aren-deu-65443a4b/Podcast: https://www.findyourvoicepodcast.com YouTube: http://tiny.cc/51lx6yLinks to guest:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kelli.doorne Have an awesome day & #JustDeuit & #FindYourVoice[Music]welcome to an episode of find your voicea movement led by yours trulyAren do a guy who has overcomecrippling anxiety adversity anddifficulty like so many of you in lifewhose main goal now is to help youcombat your excuses take control of yourlife write your own story and mostimportantly find your voice so nowwithout further ado I welcome the host Arenof the show himself mr. Aren do what'sgoing on people thank you for tuning into another episode of find your voice myname is Aren and as always I am thehost of the show so firstly I just wantto begin once again by saying thank youto every single one of you who havetaken time out of your day to try andlisten to our episodes I hope you findthem inspiring and motivating and I hopethey at least add some level ofinformation or tangible actions andsteps that you can incorporate in yourlife now moving on to today's episodeagain this is somebody who I think isperfect for this show it's somebodywho's struggled to almost find her voiceand somebody who has suffered with somelevel of adversity but also in terms ofjust sharing her story up until todayshe's found her voice and alongside thatshe's also in a position now where shewants to have a positive impact onpeople who are perhaps going throughsimilar situations so this is afantastic story with Kelly who sufferedwith homelessness and quite a few otherups and downs as well in her life butmore importantly what I really lovedabout this story was how it kind ofsegwayed into human qualities and weended up speaking a lot about kindnessnow I'm not sure about you guyslistening but I personally thinkkindness is one of the number-oneattributes that we should all what weshouldn't be born with really but Isuppose some of us can perhaps learn tobe more kind but I think if you all hadthat in the back of our heads in all ourday-to-day actions I think the worldwould just be a better place so withoutfurther ado let's get this episode onits way so firstly I just want towelcome Kelly to the show today and Iwant to thank the listeners for tuninginso Kelly how are you doing today yeahgood Erin thanks thanks so muchhave me you're very welcome you're verywelcome so Kelly I'm myself actually weboth had a couple of drinks over theweekend I had in mind 48 hours beforeand you can probably still hear it in myvoice but Kelly obviously sounds muchbetter than myself so it's great to haveyou finally herewe have had to rearrange a few times allmy fault that's all right well I'm justglad that you're here today because Ithink your story is going to be veryinspiring for a lot of people and Ithink to get it started basically whatwe can do is if you wouldn't mind isjust give the listeners a little bitabout yourself a little bit about yourjourney your story and what basicallybrings you on the show find your voicetoday all right okay well first of allit's absolutely terrifies mebut the reason I'm on here today is I amusing my story of when I was homelesswhen I found myself homeless at 16 toraise awareness and money to support alocal charity that goes a long way tohelping the poverty and homelessnesssituation in Milton Kings I'm quite aprivate person really but sometimes youjust have to use what you've got inorder to get resultsso I guess my my journey starts reallyin Nigeria which is where I was born Iwas born is there be no quite a lovingfamily and but my dad was an alcoholicand we went through some some troublingtimes but the most of what I remember asa as a youngster really was my mum andher strength not not too much about mymy real dad and we I have another sisterand a brother who's disabled mum had alot on a plate and we spent a lot oftime why spend a lot of time kind ofbeing ferried about between my Nan'shouse and my mum's house and kind ofhaving two homes I guess mm-hmm so heyeah eventually mum kicked dad out forthere for the final time and we we movedquitefew miles away to be moved up to NewportPagnell which is just on the outskirtsof Milton Keynes that stage of my lifewas where it is interesting I feltreally ostracized out of place anddifferent from everybody I'd grown up inin London my mother in North London andI felt a bit rough I felt like so rougharound the edges and all my new friendshad pretty long blonde hair and therewas me with like brown spiky hair and ifelt quite different but nevertheless wekind of made it you know we made it wemade it through really my mum my sisterand I um just by keeping quite tight andbut then but then things started tochange and I don't know you know whatyour experience offers being a teenagerbut actually with the hormones andchanges and friend groups and you knowexpectations and all different stuffcomes into your life and at that point Ikind of started to break away from myfamily and my sister had moved out andshe was she was my rock my mum had a newboyfriendand soon to be married they had a newbaby and everything kind of changed forme and instead of dealing with it I at13 I found raves and I started going outraving instead right so that was reallythe point in my life where you know Istart to pay a bit too hard and a bittoo young and it was at a point when Ithink it's like 19 3 maybe a little nonot 93 sorry a little bit later when mymy sister was a couple of years old thenincident happened where I thought Ithought that I might have have reallyhurt my little sister and I and Ifreaked outand instead of once again dealing withit and talking to my familyI just ran away and I ran away from homenobody knew where I was I didn't know Ididn't quite understand it myselfand by just yeah I had to escape so Iended up sleeping in hostels under abridge one night and it was a is prettyterrifying it's pretty terrifyingWow but I don't even know to start withthat there's so many things that I wantto pull out from your story there if wejust quickly go on that a last bit thatyou mentioned so you were sleeping inhostels you were sleeping under bridgeshow long did this period lasts for wellit's our monastery no don't I can'tquite remember and it's gonna be like acouple of weeks where I was I hadliterally nothing no home no nothing Iwas surviving by as I go into the hostelthey give me a cup of tea and a biscuitin the evening I remember then I had togo and sleep in these dormitories andthey have like plastic sheets from thebed and you know I was sixteen years oldonly 16 years old and I was actually runaway from home for about six months wentback tried living at home and then ranaway again because but obviouslyostracized myself at that point quitedrastically but the period of actuallylike being entirely homeless wasprobably a few weeks my first stepsgoing to the church eating lunch is islonely so lonely Wow I mean I can onlyimagine I've heard I've heard storiesand we have been very fortunate to havehad somebody who suffered withhomelessness on this show earlier whenwe first started and it's even the wayyou described it now it almost soundshorrific I mean even at home in my owncomfort of my own home when when theheating's low you feel that straightaway so to imagine as a very youngteenager 16 year old having to cope withthat but one of the things that I foundprevalent from your story and a coupleof times you mentioned it was wheneversomething was going wrong you werealmost running away as opposed to kindof facing your fear yeah and theI want to point that out just for theaudience as well because obviously we'vespoken offline as well and you coming onthis show has has taken the immensecourage so I fully appreciate and I'mvery grateful you're sharing this storybecause I know what it's like to haveanxiety to have shyness to kind of findyour voice if we use the cliche and I'mvery grateful that you're in a positionnow obviously wiser from the experienceand everything that you've been throughto now use your voice to do the greatthings like you mentioned the localcharity that you're now working with inMilton Keynes which is fantastic becauseI'm sure that's gonna help people whomay be in a similar situation toyourselfon that note though are you finding iffor instance you went through someadversity today are you still doing thewhole fight-or-flight thing and are youable to kind of stay there and fight oryou still seeing yourself fleeing fromthe situation my my natural stay is isto walk away absolutely it is to walkaway and I sometimes that's a that's astrength sometimes you know not fightingis M is always a good thing not to fightbut at the same time sometimes whenyou're going through situations you youand especially if when you're young youneed somebody to help you face thoseproblems and I don't think I had thesupport structure around me at that timeto help me do that and learn thoseskills potentially think that though thepoint of why I want to share my storyand it's that what knife wasn't awfulfor me it really wasn't you know I wasprobably a grumpy teenager hopefully alittle bit jealous that this new fellowhad moved into my house and there was ababy and you know not the attentionwasn't on me and it sounds really daftbut you know I was a normal child Ididn't get into too much trouble or popfrom going right in I didn't get intotoo much trouble but this still happenedit was I was still on the streets and itcan happen to anyone any point in theirlife and I think it's important foreverybody to recognize that homelessnessdoesn't just happen to drug addicts youknow it doesn't happen to people thatyouyou think it happens - it happens toanybody absolutely I think you just yousaid a very important point there sowe're always one decision away frombeing the situation that you were thereso I would never see someone homelesswhether they drinking or whateverthey're doing as somebody who is adruggie or somebody who's got an alcoholproblem I would just see somebody who'sprobably just made that one bad choiceand then as a spiral has seen themselvesin that in that predicament or in thesituation so I think that's that's areally really useful point and you alsoobviously you've got the self-awarenessnow and that probably comes through lifeand experience that you're a confusedteenager you've sinned in an alcoholicfather and and all the impact thatalcohol can have on families especiallyup to that extent you've then finallymoved away from that situation only forthen your sister to leave you and thenall of a sudden your mom's found a newfellow like you said got a new baby thenall of a sudden you're kind of feelingalmost lost and like you said jealousand I think yes that's probablysomething that we'd all be lying if wesaid we never fallacy at some stage youknow Aren absolutely absolutely I meanI had my younger brother was probablynine years young again probably don'tremember the exact days but I'm surethere were moments when he's probablygetting all the attention and I'mjumping around thinking hey what aboutme what about me over here and thenagain it comes down to your circle sothe one thing I say I was very fortunatewith is my parents sent me to grammarschool not my choice but it's very rareat least growing up for myself to havegrammar school students who were goingto do crazy things on the night I I meanthe most exciting thing we ever did wasrevised for her exams or yeah absolutelyor do a bit of extra studying so Isuppose although at that time I hated itit's probably kept me from doing crazythings because I was very easilyinfluenced as a kid so I'm very veryfortunate for that but I just think it'snice of you now to be in this positionwe're obviously you've learnt a lot andyou said something else I thought wasbrilliant it was sometimes it's astrength to obviously walk away and justto counter that as well sometimes youhave to fight as well and sometimes wehave to also realize that any adversitywe get through life if we can just holdon and maybe persevere through that itbecomes a brilliant gift and it becomessomething that will make you so muchmore resilient to life because whetheryou admit it now or not is it just thosefew yearsyou've lived on the streets and theexperiences that you've overcame itmakes you such a stronger person I thinkwhen you when you look at things Ibusiness it yeah they sayfail fast so sometimes walking away isthe is the best thing you can do butsometimes you just need to stick out forthat one minute more to get the resultsthat you want and that happens in bothlife and business I'm saying I couldhave stayed at home at that point when Ithought I'd hurt my sister and faced itand I could have just stayed eat livingin a you know in a loving environment Idon't know what my life would have beenlike if I'd done that you know insteadof wandering around the streets notknowing this back in 1996 our and Ididn't know what the time was even andso yes it's been walking around thestreets at that point in my life this issilly at the same time from a selfishperspective if you had stayed in thatloving environment and not going intothis homeless world you wouldn't be onnational today to share your story andalso to kind of inspire other peoplebecause like you said there's so manyother people out there making probablythe same decisions as yourself and if wecan just make them maybe think twice ormaybe understand why they're doing itbecause as a teenager sometimes we justwe don't even know why we do the thingsthat we do so I think that's reallyimportant okay fantastic so you'vetouched on business towards the end ofthat and you said obviously this timeswhere we need to just try that one moretime or there are times where we need tomove away what's a day like for you nowobviously you know I'm hoping it's notunder bridges and it's not insurance sowhat's a day my life like I've Kelly Icould say that I'm in a lovely warmloving home again now and I have twochildren so they're both teenagers and14 and very soon to be 16 and and I'mwith my fiance and we're getting marriednext year but congratulations thanksvery much and routine for me freaks meoutI read the word routine like okay thishas me somuch as I probably do have one I try notto think about it too much I don't evenlike the fact that my diary tells mewhat to do quite stubborn that'sinteresting yeah and but I'm quitecreative I like I like making stuff up Ilike doing what I need to do at the timeand going with my feeling and so yeahthe word routine freaks me outdoes it bring out your rebellious sidefor you think no I just don't want to doit yeah I just say I don't want to dothat right now I want to do somethingelse and but I'm sure I have one I meanI always cup of coffee into first thingin the morning okay after that it's whatI need to get done rather than what Ishould know what I don't set routine formyself understood and what what do youdo for work and business now and so I doI am a marketing coach so I coach newbusinesses on marketing but I work for acouple of law firms as well on theirbrand and marketing fantastic they'll beuseful for the audience as welllistening okay brilliant so we'veobviously touched on probably yourbiggest adversity now in life in termsof confused teenager finding herselfharmless in a place where we wouldn'tprobably wish anyone to be in thatactual moment sleeping rough and notknowing where your next meal is comingfrom well not knowing what the time wasas you said what's the biggest lessonsthat you've learned in that experiencethat you can share with the audience askfor help yeah I think there's some ofthe things I didn't do I didn't know howto ask for helpI remember one days that were going intotheir hostel and I the person he wasthere the night support person turnedout to be my month Mike one of my schoolfriends mums Wow and I mean I would havethought that I would have been soembarrassed like cripplingly embarrassedbut you know whatit wasn't embarrassed I was gratefuljust to see a face that I recognized andI think if I look back on my time Icould have just said to her I need helpyou know get me back my family I need Ineed something to help meand I didn't and so at that point thenalthough you were running away from youstill wanted to come home it wasn't akind of a matter of you wanted to getaway from that situation you just he wasalmost like a cry for help would you sayyeahyeah definitely I was just I was soterrified that I'd hurt my sister atthis point of my life I didn't know forsure whether she was hurt or not itturns out that she wasn't turns out thatwhat I had going on in my head wascompletely made-up and she wasabsolutely fine but I was just so scaredthat I've done something wrong and I hadto that's why I ran away Wow and that initself is a lesson I think for everyoneand something that I've probablyexperienced more times than most is thatwe sometimes overthink things and wethink this person is thinking this othersoar this person's going through thiswhen really all we need to do isliterally ask them the question iseverything all righthaven't done something wrong and alsoowning it and I think this is somethingthat I've really kind of got to grips onduring my adult life I mean I'm nearly40 now and so just owning your problemsyes you make a mistake that's okay weall make mistakes it's like hey you knowsome mistakes are worse than others butyou've got to own it you've got to takeresponsibility for it and then you haveto either you know resolve it or moveforward you can't let your mistakes keepyou in the in the past I think that's abrilliant point yeah absolutely takeaccountability for what you have and Ithink the more accountability you cantake for your mistakes providing thatyou learn from and you don't keeprepeating the same ones it actuallygives you a sense of power and I supposepeople will look at you in a differentway you'll look at yourself in adifferent way because otherwise you'reeffectively you just passing the powerover to someone else and you're almostafraid to take that so I think that'sthat's a brilliant yes exactlythank you for sharing that okay sothings are going well for you now whichis lovely to hear you've done you've gota suit to be 16 year old and a 14-yardand you get married next year so greatnews for them and I hope everything'sokay yeah absolutely I hope everything Iwas amazing for that but I want to askyou what's your biggest fear then rightnowoctopus is right okay not expecting thatyeah really I can't look I can't standup this is I think they're way tooclever and and I think they're aliensbut if you put them aside I think it'smy children and if when my children growup I don't want them to reflect on itand say you could have done better forus and I just want to make sure thatthey're happy secure and that they areinspired that they are grounded you knowand above all I think kind kindness thatthey take kindness in through their lifeand I think that's that's my biggestfear and my biggest challenge I'm sureyou do a wonderful job on that and Ithink kindness is it's probably thenumber one thing my mom ever taught meand I'm very very grateful for that andI think I'm sure you're doing theexactly same so there's probably nothingto worry aboutbut the thing we probably should worryabout is octopus's thinking thinkingahead now you haven't booked a honeymoonhave you anywhere close to like theocean or anything no we are the weddingis going to take place right in up inthe top of the outs so we're quite niceand safe from any octopi fantastic okayI was not expecting to answer I've neverheard anyone say that have you actuallyseen octopuses on land that isn't that agood thing because I'm they can help youout in the kitchen no point taken for ittaken well at least you're in themyou said the Alps did you yeah I don'tKelly well well I was sure the best fornext year is are with that and lookingforward to follow you in your journey soyou're doing marketing now and youdefinitely sound like you're in a muchbetter place in terms of your mindsetand your ability to reflect oneverything that's going on in your lifewhat's your biggest sense of motivationand inspiration on a day to day basisother than your kids because I knowyou're gonna probably say your kids asyour first answer so let's choose adifferent answer actually I wasn't okaywhen an my name has been one of thebiggest most their biggest and mostinspiring figures in my lifeshe's not with us anymore sorry Taylorand she passed away five years agoin June by still hear her every dayevery choice I make every signs havewent up thinking about that but she wasso inspiring and the way that shehandled herself for the people hertenacity setting up businesseseverything about her was it was amazingwithout trying to put her on a pedestalshe was simply the best person I've everknownso she inspires me and motivates meevery single day that's brilliant I loveit um I was gonna say I'm very sorry tohear that brace it's a lovely messagethat you said how you still here and youtake that and I'm sure she's probablylooking down whatever you believe in interms of God spirituality or somethingbut I'm sure she's looking down as she'svery very proud eating at me going in myhead I think if she approves that thenI'm happy if I think she wouldn't not somuch it's probably a brilliant way toalmost act out your days because you'realmost thinking you would never want tolet her down and obviously you want hername to be remembered in a nice way soyour actions and everything that you doin the world I mean I know we're all ourown people but I think you're almostliving for her as well if that makessenseso yeah I think that I think that's abeautiful message okay brilliant Kellyso we are actually moving along veryquickly today and we're actually at thefun part of the show so this is the bitwhere I think you were a little bitanxious about because I'm gonna beasking you all sorts of very very easyquestions but I suppose when when thetime is on it can get a little bitoverwhelming but I'm sure you're gonnabe fine indecisive right okay so I takethat back then we might have a bit of astruggle here but let's see how we getonwe're gonna do probably 60 to 90 secondsof just very well I was gonna say easybut let's see how it goes are you readyyeah brilliant okay we're gonna go inthreeone okay what did you eat for breakfastI haven't eaten today if you couldrelive one day again what day would itbe Oh crikey that's a hard one and AH Ihave two children that's really tough Ithink the first time I ever helped my mybaby in my arms I would relive that dayagain the first time I ever helped mybaby and I loved itthe ability to fly or be invisibleinvisable is sneaky but I think like butI think I'd like the feeling of flyingsome swaying who do you admire most inthe world it's still mine own money orfame and money your proudest moment Idon't know I don't know I can I pass Ijust don't know if we can do a few yeahokay your favorite food my favorite foodis cheese choice okayspeak or languages or be able to speakto animals how can you choose likelanguages I guess languages if you couldabolish one thing in the world whatwould it be and Trump good answer okaywhat song best describes your lifewhat song surprised me hey hi oh I don'tknow titlesI could probably hum it you're welcometo sing it if you want I can't think ofone more pass if you had an extra hour aday how would you spend it on the sofawith my fellow Netflix or YouTubeNetflix your favorite TV show everfriends there's a pretty consistent Iwas gonna say yeah I think that's themost popular answer I've had okay wouldyou rather not how you will die or whenyou were die how your worst fear is achild probably octopuses they still keepcoming back okay what is your biggestaddiction your favorite place in theworld I would I would say at home withmy family but I also have a particularfondness for Byron Bay in Australia Ilove it that place was amazingokay read minds or predict the futureread minds your favorite superherosecond oh my god this is named Owen mannamed Ironman for sure good choice andfinally your biggest strength kindnesslove it love it see that was it too hardactually bless you actually you're thefirst person to have a pass on an answerthough but yeah don't worry thebeautiful thing with podcasting is Ican't edit it out by a flight flightyeah absolutely you walked away it'sfineokay brilliant so Kelly the next thing Iwant to ask you actually then is it'sabout reflection so as we've spokenabout briefly the beginning of thisepisode I saw some wonderful thing andit can teach us a lot it can teach ushow to get to places quicker easier orwith less heartache but I'm a firm firmbeliever that the journey also teachesus a lot and sometimes we have to gothrough these circumstances and thetrials and tribulationsso knowing exactly what you know nowwith all of your knowledge andexperience if you could go back andwe're going to take you back now to yourteenage years which i think is relevantto this story knowing exactly what youknow now what would you whisper in theears of a young Kelly I think be braveand be brave and be brave and posturewhich was I'm looking for tackle yourproblems like deal yeah deal with yourproblems don't run away from them I lovethat that's fine is that a kind of amessage as well that you'd always tryand teach or your kids as well yeah Idon't know how successful I am in doingthat okay thank you parenting is anexperiment in parenting so firstlywhatever works and secondly I've got noidea how they're going to turn out sowhen they're about 25 ask me thatquestion again and we'll see if it worksokay fantastic we'll get you back on theshow brilliant okay so suddenly thatactually brings us to the last questionof the day and the last question arealways ask my guest it's about legacy soif in a 150 years time science fails tosave us all and all that exists is abook and this book is aboutKelly and it tells us all the weird andwonderful things that you've done inlife all the things you've achieved andall your ups and downs firstly whatwould the title of the book be andsecondly what would the blurb at theback tell us about Kelly so it's a hardone I've been thinking about this but atthe same time I remember having aconversation with my best friend a fewyears ago and about this particulartopic and I think that my book would becalled she's just a normal girl becauseeven though I've gone through quite alot in my time when I the stories that Icould tell you about being homelesswould be would be quite shocking and thepeople that I've met and on the way thethe trouble that I could have got intothe trouble I did get into all of thatbut I'm just just a normal girl likethere is no different to me than anyoneelse so I think that would be the titleshe's just a normal girl and withregards to the blurb on the back um Iwould hope the people that read my storyand would say that even though even whentimes are tough she still believed thatkindness was her superpower and that'swhat got her through I love that I loveit I think spreading kindness isprobably probably the best thing we canall teach each other and we could alllearn from absolutely I mean just bejust being kind I actually wrote a postfunnily enough about three hours ago onFacebook and it was it was one of myfirst few things I wrote in therebecause it costs nothing to be kind andthere's actually a few influences nowthere who actually using the wholekindness thing as a sort of as like abuzz word but really shouldn't just besomething that's installed in all of asudden Wow from day one yeah I wish I'dwritten my LinkedIn profile buyeractually goes through all of my corevalues so independents adventurecuriosity connection strength and growthand and then at the end of it it sayswell what about kindness and the waythat I address is is it should just comeas standard absolutely it shouldn't haveto be someone's core value it shouldactually just be live that's what weshould do we shouldn't have to learn ityes it's funny but I don't know Isuppose we're also in a society wherewe're almost firefighting on a dailybasis and where there's people competingwith each other there's a lot ofjealousy there's a lot of scarcitymindset that I tend to find as wellespecially when I started my lotentrepreneurial journeys and went intodifferent fields and it's only recentlynow started to get myself a very goodnetwork of people who just want the bestfor you and when you start living inabundance and realizing that the morepeople you can connect with the morepeople you can help and more people youcan be kind to you just you just spreadsomething that's infectious and andbeing now wanting it back I think theodds of doing without receiving is youknow people need to learn that a lotmore give without wanting to receiveabsolutely without expectationshopefully agree it's funny you just saidthat as well because I I was meeting adevelop and I'm going off on a bit of atangent here but we were speaking aboutthis and I was saying that's kind of myphilosophy is the way again I say againmy mom's always taught me just give butnever expect nothing back because oneyou probably be disappointed but to youknow give if you're giving someonesomething you're giving it them becausemaybe they're not in a position tonecessarily help you back so it's almostsilly to expect them to be able to helpyou back if that makes senseso when you give something and you tryand be kind you try and lift somebody upjust do that and just just be nice aboutit but don't expect them to help youwhen they can barely help themselves ifthat kind of makes sense and I've alwaysjust seen it that way so I've been veryfortunate people now start to help me upin my business and at the same time I'dalways try and reciprocate that withother people as well so I think I thinkKelly that's a beautiful message and onthat actually I'd love it if you couldnot only share your LinkedIn profile forthe guests but also where else you'dfeel comfortable with people reachingout to you if you wouldn't mind maybeafter this show because I think you'remore than just a normal person how youdescribed yourself on the front of thebook it's it's been a lovelyconversation with you I'm glad you'realmost finding your voice and I know wespoke about this previously on Facebookvery briefly and it's got a lot to teachpeople you've got a lot that they canlearn from you and I just think you thishas been a lovely chat so I reallyappreciate you for that and I'd love topour all your reachable social mediaoutlets onto my show notes if that'swhatyeah that'd be fine these if isn'tbusiness the one place that I would likepeople to go to is a Facebook group okayso it's called one-man brand but thepoint of it is and isn't just about youknow having my group it's about having ahive mind so it's about bringing yourskills and your expertise and helpingother people within the group so ifyou're an accountant what whatinformation can you give to other peoplethat was going to help them and showthat you're an expert in your field aswell so that's that's what I'm trying toachieve so anyone in that relation cango there fantastic I think that'sbrilliant I think that's something thatliterally every single person listeningto can probably join on to because wehave to acknowledge it but we allprobably Excel in certain areas morethan others and I think it's aboutrecognizing that so I think that'sbrilliant the hive mind thing are youhappy with people contacting you onFacebook or should we just keep it tothe Facebook group for now yeah I'm openI network and speak to anyone that wantsto anyone that wants to speak back yeahbrilliantagain I'll run and just thank you onemore time for coming on for overcomingyour fears it's been fantastic to hearabout your stories been very inspiringas well and also I want to thank thelisteners at home thanks for listeningthanks and remember this podcast isabsolutely free so all we ask in returnis for you to share this with a friendand drop us a five star review over oniTunes have an awesome day See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Find your voice - Episode 21 "Using exercise to help your Mental Health" Michael Hayes #22Tagline: "What's for you, won't pass you" - Michael HayesMichael Hayes, is one of the most positive, infectious people I have been fortunate enough to have connected with during my time as a Podcaster. A genuine individual who focuses in his own time on promoting positive links between mental health and exercise and whilst spreading authentic, honest and tangible messages through his social media platforms.Michael does not do this for any monetary reasons, but since seeing those close to him suffer with mental health he made a choice to use his expertise in health and fitness and promote a positive link of enhancing not just your physical well-being through exercise but also improving your overall mental health.Our first Irish/Aussie on the show who proves that real messages and honest advice is the same across the world and if you want to ensure you get genuine advice his story is definitely worth following. Michael also admits to having suffered little adversity in his life although when you finish this episode you would probably agree that even if he was, or had, he would not have seen it as a burden or adversity and likely just smiled his way through it.All the links to follow Michael's journey are below and a final note before you go check that out, which I think is worth mentioning and came from his mother is: "What's for you, won't pass you".I urge you all to follow his journey and support him on making a positive difference in the world of fitness and mental health.Thanks for listeningFree Audible book sign up:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Audible-Membership/dp/B00OPA2XFG?actionCode=AMN30DFT1Bk06604291990WX&tag=are86-21Best book on Mindset by Carol Dweck: Mindset https://amzn.to/2QajMvZSupport the podcast: https://www.patreon.com/findyourvoiceLinks to me:Website: https://www.arendeu.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/aren.deu/Twitter: https://twitter.com/arendeuFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/aren.singhLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aren-deu-65443a4b/Podcast: https://www.findyourvoicepodcast.com YouTube: http://tiny.cc/51lx6yLinks to guest:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mentalhealthfitnesscoach/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mentalhealthfitnesscoach/ RU Okay: https://instagram.com/ruokday?igshid=r9o8sro81bv3Have an awesome day & #JustDeuit & #FindYourVoice[Music]welcome to an episode of find your voicea movement led by yours trulyAren do a guy who has overcomecrippling anxiety adversity anddifficulty like so many of you in lifewhose main goal now is to help youcombat your excuses take control of yourlife write your own story and mostimportantly find your voice so nowwithout further ado I welcome the hostof the show himself mr. Aren do what'sgoing on people thank you for tuning into another episode of find your voice myname is Aren and as always I am thehost of the show so I am delighted to beable to bring to you today Michael Hayesotherwise known as the mental healthfitness coach now Michael is irish-bornbut now living over in Australia andwhat he has done is he's taken a passionof his ie personal training but he'slinked it very very closely to somethingthat we can all relate to mental healthnow the way he links mental health andfitness is fantastic and it's probablynot what you're gonna expect especiallyfrom somebody who now operates onInstagram not quite the influencer thathe will be one day but Michael'smessages are incredible and I certainlyurge you after this episode to engagewith Michael and follow him on hisjourney because alongside he's workedwith mental health and exercise Michaelis also just a very very positive personin fact he's probably the most positiveperson I've had on the show and I saythat after interviewing so manyincredible guess he's infectious he'sgot a great aura about him and all he'strying to do is make you guys feelbetter both physically and mentally so Ithink without further ado let's jumpstraight into this interview okayfirstly I'd like to start by welcomingMichael Hayes to today's show and I wantto thank Michael for taking time out ofhis day to come on and share his storyand secondly Michael I just want to knowhow are you doing today my friend yesreally good yeah just back from work sosettling in for the night now how aboutyou how's your day been yeah my day hasbeen good so it's early more I say earlymorning is 10 o'clock here so my day iskind of startingfor anyone listening you can probablytell from Michaels voice straight awaythat he's not got this amazing Brummieaccent that I have he's actually fromAustralia so it's our first Australianguest on the show so again I'm verygrateful for thatI think to get this started Michael ifyou wouldn't mind if you can just kindof tell our audience a little bit aboutyourself a little bit about your storybecause hopefully that way you'll givethem an insight in relation to yourselfand also give them an understanding asto why I reached out to get you onto ashow yeah absolutely and I'll just startoff by saying that I'm actually Irish soI've I've been in Australia for the lastseven years so I'm after getting a bitof a twang since I moved here so I likeit I get some serious grief up everyonefrom home when when they hear just whatanyway yesyeah I've been living in Australia thelast 7 years so I guess I run a anInstagram page and a Facebook campaigntype thing called mental health fitnesscoach so I'm pretty much peachy turnedinto just someone that's trying to getpeople to exercise for for all the rightreasons I guess so for your your mentalhealth is sleep for your mood to reducestress and to not look at it from youknow I want to get a six-pack or I wantto you know the quickest way to lookgood on the beach or things like thatjust getting people to take a step backand say you know this is more there'smore to exercise and to and to fitnessand just how you look or you know thematerial things it's there's a lot moreto it a lot more deeper things thatpeople should be focusing on thatunfortunately in this day and age theydon't tend to be so that's where where Iam and that all came about for me I wastrue my work I was doing this 30 days ofexercise and for 30 minutes for 30 daysof exercise for your improved mentalhealth and through that process I wasdoing just my own Instagram post andputting things up this was before thetime of mental health fitness coach so Iwas just posting things off about my own30 minutes of exercise each day andputting little snippets up about thebenefits of exercise your mental healthand putting some bits up also aboutencouraging conversations around mentalhealth and through that 30 days I gotlots of feedback frommy own friends and some really closefriends as well as my family and some ofmy immediate family about strugglesthey've had with mental health and thiswas things that I had never known so itwas a big wake-up call and surprise tome at the time when you know I wasputting these things I would thinking ohyeah you know it's it's great for peopleto exercise remember heads but meantimeI was going on not realizing that a lotof people close to me had suffered orwere suffering with their with theirmental health so that was at thebeginning of it all for me you know itwas a real big eye-opener and from thereI just kind of thought at the time I wasa PT and looking after a gym and kind ofI look I'm in a good position here wheresome people look to me for that fitnessadvice and I'm sorry my former top looksat me for that fitness advice and thisis a time where you know I'm a personthat yeah that people look to and I'lljust put that positive message out so Istarted to mental health fitness coachand it was all about just exercising forthe right reasons and it's about threeyears ago now and you know back then thethe fifties and all those things wereyou know at the big thing now it's bootybends and all that and you know it'sjust it's just not the reason thatpeople need to be exercising like youknow it just just do it for it foryourself and for your mood and yourrelationships that's that's the bigmessage that I try to just send out topeople and I've been doing that now forthe last yeah coming on three years nowa mental health fitness coach and it'snot really anything that I'm doing for agood monetary sense it's just trying toget that that message out there and sofar I think of impacted quite a fewpeople just through my own post if I canhave a positive impact on a few peopleand that's great and if it means someonegoes out and does it hurt him in a walkevery day where they wouldn't have doneanything before and that that helpstheir their daily life then you knowthat's fantastic and that's kind of whatI'm hoping to achieve through all ofthis that's fantastic mate so we'refirst I just want to acknowledge you forthat as well because I think it's anincredible thing that you're doingyou're encouraging people to exercisefor the right reasons so I was a fellowPT I similar to yourself I share thesameviews that we shouldn't necessarilyexercise for that six-pack or how wethink we should look I the Instagrammodel life and it is again it's my kindof way of releasing my tensionsthroughout the day it helps with mentalhealth myself so I think I love thatmessage about it but I also love andwhat you touched on is that you'vemanaged to encourage conversationbetween your friends and family who havesuffered with this mental health intheir own personal lives and I thinkthat's that's a testament one toyourself that people can obviously comeout and speak to you and feel openlycomfortable about that but I think it'ssomething that as a society across theworld in Australia England wherever weareis that we need to encourage thatconversation about mental health and Ijust think that's a fantastic thing andthis is one of the actual reasons that Ireached out to you specifically I seenyour messages and I just thought thiswould be like a really good person tocome on and the fact that you don't dothis for the monetary sense it is togive back it is to get value I really dourge my listeners at the end of the showto jump on your Instagram page and seethe messages that you're having on thatno I just wanted to ask a bit of apersonal question if you wouldn't mindas well is Michael have you sufferedyourself from depression or are yousimply doing this because you see thevalue in helping other people around youyeah good question no I haven't and I'mone of the lucky people who yeah I'venever had any any issue really with anymental health whether it be depressionanxiety mood swingsanything at all so I've been I supposequite privileged in that sense andthat's where I'm a really reallypositive person and always have been andany because of that when I did this 30days of exercise for 30 minutes for 30days and I got all this feedback for myfriends and family that was when Ithought oh shit like you know I'm livingthis this great life thinking it's allgood and you know I've always reallyjust exercised for myself and in my ownmental health how I'm feeling but all ofa sudden I was like this is actually outthere it's real and you know people aresuffering cos I've gone through my lifethinking you know everything's great youknow everyone's happy yeah nobody's okayjust like uber positive almost at apoint where I was unable to see thatthis could behappening in other people because Isuppose my own positivity blinded me towhat might be happening to others andand I would always I would always lookto the well neither no they must be finethat they I'm sure they'll be okay andtell myself the good happy story but andyeah it's really just the last few yearssince I started this and moved toAustralia and I've really started tonotice this and you know thank God I'venoticed they could you know now I I'mmuch more conscious of my own mentalhealth so when I do go through any modesor anything like that I understandwhat's going on and yeah so no luckilyfor me I've never never been impacted byany mental health things fantastic andhopefully continues that way and youjust said yeah thank God that younoticed it and I think definitely thankGod or whatever you believe in that youhave noticed it because now you're in aposition where you're able to helppeople learn almost lift them out ofthis very dark space and I say very darkspace because my mom suffered withchronic depression for the best part ofthe last eight years and prior to thatagain probably similar tell you when youfirst started I didn't understand mentalhealth it was like what have you got tobe sad about got this to look forward toit was only recently over the last eightyears I've really kind of tried tounderstand men to help myself and it'sfunny that you're almost doing what Iwish I had the time to do which islinking one of my passions which isfitness and the other one which is Ihold very close to my heart mentalhealth because obviously it's affectingmy mom and you link in the two togetherso that's kind of why I resonate towardsyour story a lot because I'm like inanother life if I had a bit moreflexibility and a bit more time and mayif I could live in Australia as wellthat would be an added bonus I wouldliterally be doing the same kind ofthings as you so I want to ask just onsomething else that you touched on thereif you wouldn't mind yeah you've alwaysbeen this happy positive person nowbefore we've had this show we spoke forthe best part of a minute and within asecond of seeing your face on on skypeyou were you were smiling you were happyand I was like this is gonna be a goodinterview I knew straight away becauseyou were good vibes off almost instantlywhat are the careers and stuff have youdone throughout life or what do youthink is the reason that you've alwaysjust been happy or is it just literallyyour mindset has just been programmedthat way I reckon yeah it's just mysaid and it's yeah it's just the wayI've always been you know I hadextremely good parents and a reallygreat family there's five kids in ourfamily and you know I'm the youngest soI was always supported and you knowshowing Sean the right road and yeah Iguess it's just how I've always beenlike I don't know any other way than toput a smile on and have a chat to peoplethat I don't know and you know ifthere's a top conversation that's neededto be had with like say my staff orsomeone's going through a hard time likeI'm always happy to get in and and notthings I would people but yeah I thinkit's just the way I've always been itit's not any one particular thing thathappened that you know maybe thispositive person it's just yeah lucky forme I had a really good upbringing andit's just the way I've been that'sfantastic man and long may it continuebecause the world could definitelybenefit from more people like yourselfjust to kind of spread a bit of sunshineso yeah that's also to hear okay sowhat's a general day-to-day life likeover there in Australia for yourselfyeah and I'm the same as you I lovehabits and I think the biggest thing ofme is just trying to be consistentaround the good things that I do so andI suppose I might actually answer it ona week-to-weekthat's all right yeah absolutely themore relevant to what I do and so reallylike usually on a on a Sunday orSaturday our leader have a mental thinkabout what's going to happen in the weekafter and I've got a spreadsheet thatI've been working off now for the lastyear and a half where I scheduled mytraining for the next week and so I knowexactly what I'm gonna doMonday true to Sunday but one of thethings that I found really good formyself to keep myself consistent with myexercise and I'm a runner so I love torun and so one of the things that I didwanted a very very first thing that Idid was started pack run and I know youguys have Perricone you know the weeklyx 5 kilometer runs yeah so that was thatwas one of the first things that Istarted to do me My partner and fianceknow we started doing Park run and forme I know every Saturday at 8 a.m. onthat pack run and I'm running and that'sthat's what I'm doing I thinkthat's a tenner 11 over in the in the UKand I was like a little bit sleepincreate a in there but for me I know thatthat's what that day is so I've tried tobuild my my exercise and my runningaround just habit and consistency soSaturday is always packed on Tuesday Irun with a run Club in in part and W acalled frontrunner sports performanceand I do a Tuesday 6:00 a.m. everysingle week with those guys and then Ido what R is a fight in every singleweek with those guys so I kind of knowlike whatever happens in life unlesssomething goes completely pear-shapedTuesday Thursday Saturday I'm runningand that's what I'm going to do sothat's one of the things that has helpedme get that consistency for probably thelast almost going on a year and a halfnow probably but running in the lastyear with the front runner guys onTuesday and Thursday and and obviouslymassive improvement in my running fromthat and I'm not a person that you'dlook at that would say yeah he'd be okat running but because of the habit thatI have of doing it every week I've justgotten a little bit better every singlemonth throughout the last couple ofyears and now I'm a decent runnerwhereas people would look at me and gooh he he can't run that faster he can'tdo that or a lot of people always getthe question you know how have youimproved so much it's literally it'sconsistency like I started to go in oncea week to Peregrine's and that's whatprobably did that for three or fourmonths it was just once a week and thenthink I sure would choose to era winsthey ran them session in there and thenit became that the Tuesday Thursday andthey're just ingrained in my daily or myweekly routines now and so that's a bigthing for me as part of every week andthen the rest of the week from a monthat Friday I'm full-time job on my healthand fitness coordinator for localgovernments in parts so and that's whatmy general nine-to-five so I look afterthe gym and our group fitness programsin our community classes and I actuallylove that and one of the very very verylucky people that can say I actuallyenjoy money learning and getting up andgoing to work and there'syou know obviously everyone get sick atwork at time from time to time butthere's very occasions that I'm actuallynot happy to go to work or be at work soand that's my job and through the weekand the rest of the week is family myfiance and the dogs and that's that'sher yeah that's brilliant man I supposeyou've almost found what many of us aretrying to find and you know we alwayshear people getting sad on a Sundayevening and they got work in the morningand you've almost kind of found your wayso it's nice to see that you're havingthat and you also touched on somebrilliant points again which was it'sall about consistency and one of thethings I always say is obviously we ourresort of our habits so I think thatgoing back to your 30 minutes a daythere I mean it's a day in the grandscheme of things I thinking we'reexcited to like two percent a day if wecan just get people to do that as a sortof habit initially and then if it hasthe effects of improving your mentalhealth on a long-term scale I thinkwe're on to a winner so on that pointalone have you got access to a sort of30 day plan or is it's just somethingthat people would need to kind of goback into your Instagram and follow intomy Instagram and follow and you know Idon't have any 30-day plans or anywherethat I suppose that the main thing forme with people and I've had with the gymthat I work at I've had many manyinteractions with people about you knowwhat are they going to do to getthemselves fit and healthy and I wentthrough a period of weight gain where Ididn't realize I was gaining weight butI got up to like 115 or 16 kilos butover the last three or four years sinceI started running I'm back down to 90 soI've had a big weight loss and periodand a lot of people asking me about youknow what should they do and you knowwhat exercises should they do for forthis muscle and you know should I begoing how many times a week should I begoing to the gym and how many reps did Ido and how many said should I do thisexercise and I always say to people andeven when people come to a gym like doyou enjoy going to the gym and if theanswer is yes then it's like yeah yeahokay in you go it doesn't matter whatyou do pick exercises you like thick repranges you like it accept ranges youlike and do thatbecause you're only going to beconsistent at the things you like and ifsomeone comes into our gym and says ohyou know I actually quite like workingout in groups send them straight togroup fitness like if someone came intomy gym and said I hate gymsI hate group fitness classes I'd sendthem straight back out the door and tellthem do something else because there'sno point in them coming towards to dosomething that they're not going toenjoy and they're not going to sayconsistent that because you know youcan't sign up for a gym or an exerciseprogram or sports team if that's notsomething that you actually enjoy likeanyone who wants to get fish you need todo something that you enjoy and that youcan keep doing for me it's running andoccasionally lifting weights so I dolots of running and a fair amount ofweightlifting and that's what I lovedoing and so for for people like youknow if you're looking for a 30 day planor whatever it might be that are lookingfor they need to just look intothemselves and go what I like to andI'll you know we live done living inAustralia so there's lots of outdooractivities you can do so someone lovesstand-up paddleboarding or golfing orgardening or whatever it is you know sothat wasn't it that and see that and youknow make the most of that becausewhether or not it's 2 percent to yourday or however long of your day it isthat you're doing this exercise for youwant to be doing something that youenjoy and yeah it's there's too manypeople and this especially with gyms andgroup fitness classes and things likethatthey do it because other people do itnot because it's something that theywant to do they see someone else gettingresults doing that exercise or they godforbid they go on Instagram and they seethe top six exercises to get awesome adsand they do those exercises and realizethat they haven't been it's really abouthaving a thing to yourself of what do Ienjoy doing and if you don't know whatthat is just go and try a few things goto the gym go to an outdoor class join asports team join a join a running clubyou know try things out and whicheverone it is that you you think you enjoythat's what you'll be consistent at sogo do that Michael I love that answer sotwo things I want to point out firstlythis is why I want people to follow yourpage twolearn from yourself and all these littlenuggets that you just thrown in therebut another reason that actually lovethe answer is because you're confirmingeverything I've been preaching myselffor the last time right so mainlybecause you agree with me because I havefour pillars that I always say are mysword when I work with my clients Iwould say if we can add a to these fourpillars and they are enjoymentsustainability consistency and hard workand I think as long as you have amixture of all of those so the enjoymentside which is literally exactly what youexplained so I think that's a reallyreally important point you said theirconsistency we've already touched onsustainability again if your enjoymentand consistency are on point it's goingto be sustainable if they're gonna keepit goingand obviously I think there is anelement that people think they don'thave to work hard and you touched ontheir this the ABS exercises get abs inthree weeks by doing this it doesn'treally work like that because there's abit more science that goes behind it butgreat answer mate and again I'mconsistently plugging your channelbecause it would be nice to get theaudience to see it from a differentperspective somebody on the other sideof the world almost doing the exact samething and making such a positiveinfluence so I appreciate that answer methank you yesokay so the next question is are yougonna be quite an interesting onebecause a very happy positive person butwhat I want to touch on is adversity andI use adversity in all of my episodesbecause I want people to look at thingsor change the perception of things andjust know that whatever situation you'regoing through however difficult you mayfeel it is in that particular time isthere's always a way out of it if you'rewilling to persevere through it so I'mhoping you've been through someadversity and I mean that in the kindestway possible me because I'm not smilingnow on the other side of it but couldyou maybe take us back to a time wherethings were going as well as you maybehoped or you went through some adversityand how you overcame that and thenfinally the lessons that you learnedfrom that if you wouldn't mind yeahabsolutely and yeah I haven't gonethrough a massive amount of adversity inmy life would that's it I you know I'vehad plenty of tougher harder times thatI've had to go it was the one for methatso tis so obviously I'm living inAustralia I'm came here from lard and soabout three years into when I was here Iwas am working in a job and this job wasgoing to sponsor me to stay in thecountry and just before my sponsorshipwent through I reckon two weeks beforemy sponsorship was all gonna go true andeverything was going to be sweet orCenter closed down and yes so thesponsorship went out the window prettyquick unfortunately was not sure anyfault of the employer that's the waythings went down so and yeah just justwhen I thought I was yeah I'm said I'mgonna be in Australia nothing to worryaboutgot my sponsorship that'll get me my PRwe're good to goeverything kind of just set out out ofnowhere literally out of noise but Ihonestly don't look back now on thattime as a time of adversity or a timewhere I was under massive stress becausefor me at the time I was just alrightwell this has happened no matter what Ido I can't really change the outcome ofwhat's happened to and to the centerit's that's just the way it is so thethe first thing that I was doing waslooking for I would I need a job so Iwent and saw myself some work and I wentback to construction work and that wasfine and and then it was just playingthe waiting game to see when when thisCenter was going to get back opened upsee if that sponsorship was still on thecarriage and and I've had a think Ithink I had four months until I had togo home legally the contrary so yeah andI it was it was going to be a little bitmore time until they got the centre openand they had some roof issues that theyhad to sort out so there was a lot ofconstruction to go on and like just buttrue luck that whole period I just kindof kept on to them and said you knowwhen can I get back in is it going tohappen isn't it going to happen andthere for a while there wasn't a wholelot of talk backwards and forwards so Ijust kept doing my construction stuffaway and and eventually I got back intowork and I got this I got sponsored bushI suppose the big thing for me throughthat wholetime was well look if I get sent home Iget sent home and that's just the wayit's gonna be in and I always had in theback of my mind that it's going to sortitself out one way or another whetherit's through work or whether somethingelse comes up or you know whether I getit I think there was the option of apartner a partner visa with my partnerat the time so you know there there wasoptions there and I kinda just didn'tlet myself get too stressed to thecensus you know I was worrying about itall the time and just kind of got onwith things as best I could and andluckily it all worked out and yeah I'mjust I'm still here now but it was yeahI just kind of keep it that positiveattitude towards this and then yeah itworked out in the end but uh I think agood a good quote and I'm gonna call mymom of all people in the world yeah forthis was a sudden my mom sold me heapsof times Trudy years Witter is going fora job or it's going to interviews oranything that I'm racing or whatever Iwas doing she'd always say what's foryou won't pass you so you know if atthat time if it if it was for me to stayin Oz and you know to go on to be whereI am now then that's what it was goingto be if that's not what how it was timeto work out then something else will popup that would be you know just as goodor betterso really it's you know anytime we do ajob interview or anything like that orespecially if I don't get a jobI always think well that clearly wasn'tfor me so if it was I would have got itkind of yeah on to the next thingthat's fantastic me then it's funny yousaid that quote and I resonated withthis straightaway because my nan so shedoesn't speak English but she speaksPunjabi but these direct words that yourmom says she says the same quote soshe's a very religious person and she'salways had that philosophy sure butactually she's starting to remind me alittle bit of yourself and I mean thatwith utmost respect because she's alwayssmiling she's always happy and she'sbeen through a hell of a lot ofadversity in life but she's alwayssaying you know whatever's meant to beis meant to be if you meant to havesomething come in your life will happenif you're not you're not so I thinkthat's a brilliant way and it's probablywhatkept her going so long so very wisewords from my cause mom so appreciatethat me do you have that do you havethat quote in your grandma's words Iyou're testing my Punjabi haha yeah yeahmaybe one for our line may I try and getyou a translation I don't wannaembarrass myself live online yeah yeahhuge you won't be too happy with mypronunciation but yeah if it is exactlythe same but I think that's brilliant Ithink it's a testament to the way thatyou think always got that positiveoutlet you're always looking at thingsas in just the way that I wisheverybody's in it rather then me if I'mcompletely honest five years ago wouldhave seen that as oh my god the wholeworld's falling down I'm so close to getmy sponsorship it's almost falling theirminds I would go through the rephraseyou're just kind of got that in the backof your head so consciously you'rethinking it's all gonna work out and I'mreally glad it has so in this currentsituation now things are going well foryou what scares you in life do you haveany fears and do I have any serious it'sa good question and I don't think I dolike you know I if anything I'll worryabout other people more than I worryabout myself so I'd you know I kind ofwant to make sure that I was good withwith my close mates and my fiance and myfamily and you know some of my sistersare pregnant at the moment so you knowit's the only things I worry about herare all those guys and you know checkingin and then to make sure everything'sgoing okay but now personally for myselfI don't really uh kind of hold strongsimilansmums advice of you know if it's for youwon't pass you and kind of keep keeppushing forward and yeah if that's agood answerno not absolutely my absolutelydefinitely so are you telling me you'renot scared of all the again I'm speakingas a Brit here we hear all the storiesof the snakes and the spiders inAustraliadoes anything like that ever scare youor ever hear of a red back a red backspider not very little that littlespiders with a red back they're prettyfierce looking they're they're smallsmall little things we get lots ofaround my house we get tons of them sothere's lots of and he has brain sprayred backs around here but no of my hairfunny the way my brother-in-law was isscared and worried about coming overhere and sitting on a toilet boner andwater being underneath it when he catchyou for the yeah look lovely that's themit's pretty unlikely and I've never comeacross too many snakes any more a rod Iguess if I was to say one thing Isuppose on on fear and it's not reallyfear for me but it's just for again forother people it's the current age ofsocial media and the influence thatsocial media influencers have you knowso many people are drawn in by theseinfluencers and you know they take whatthey're saying for fur gospel almost andyou know they they you have peoplebuying these fit tees and you havepeople buying to these 30 day programsand all these detoxes and you knowthere's lots of people that are preyingon people's fears and emotions andgetting to sign up to these programs andto be honest it's a real big issue andit's what is one of the main reasons asI said in my page was just to have analternative option of the the quickfixes and things like this becausethere's so many people that andespecially at our gym and and you knowfriends of mine and I see other peopleputting things up like everyone thinksthat these things work and that there'syou know there's something to it pushesyou know a quick quick thing gonna soferrets it's it's a worry the thecurrent state of the fitness industryonline you know that I think the fitnessindustry in Australia on the groundlevel is really good and really positiveand there's lots of people doing greatthings but the the online influence ofpeople who have no experience in healthand fitness is yeah extremely worryinghopefully with people like you andthings that I'm doing you know it yeahthe common sense approach will will winout in the endabsolutely may I think you just hitsomething that again I resonate with isfind it so annoying that theseinfluences are in a position where theyhave so much impact and they're justbeen unethical and they're not beingauthentic in their message and they'reselling these cookie cut programs orthey're saying you can look like me ifyou do this in six months and I'mlooking at him and I'm like you'reobviously on something that's notnatural for example you've been doingthis for 15 years and you're just tryingto almost manipulate people and tobelieve in it and it's not just thefitness industry to be honest so I'minvolved as a property investor as afull-time occupation and even withinthat there is a massive massive marketof people and the shame is is that theyhave so much influence who prey onpeople who are in an almost like adesperation phase and when you'redesperate you're almost clinging on toanything and it's just reassuring toknow that there are people likeyourselves out there who have thisamazing energy about you and you justhonest and authentic and this is areason I do my show it's to give peoplea voice who aren't influences who Igenuinely believe can make a positiveimpact on the world because I genuinelybelieve if my audience however smalleris or however big it grows follows youthey're gonna get authentic informationinformation that and I don't mean thisbecause I say similar stuff I mean it isbecause we understand the basics behindit and it's nice that you're trying tomake an impressive but it's funny isn'tit because on one end we're looking atthese influences and thinking that theway Instagram and Facebook and stuff isit's it's almost damaging to people'sself-esteem Ament to half but at thesame time we also need it to preach ourmessage and to get our voice heard totry and help people absolutely so yeahyeah it's a funny one so what is yourmotivation then moving forward for yourbusiness is it to enhance your voice toget out there to impact more lives or doyou have another underlying motivationbehind the word that you do yeah look Ijust want to keep doing what I'm doingyou know every one person that I thoughtI impact positively is you know it's forme that's that's the ultimate goal isjust to have a small little impact onpeople's lives whether it's someonestarts doing it you know a tiny bit ofexercise that they've never done beforeor whether it's someone else has a chatthat I made about the mental health whothey think isn't doing so well you knowI just want to keep pushing the messageout there andas far as I'd like to get a little bitmore active on social media given yourfull time job and this is just somethingI do on the side I'm probably not asactive or putting out as good a contentas I'd like to at the moment but I justwant to keep keep growing the theaudience and make sure that the messageis reaching as many people as we can andyou know maybe one day start podcastingor doing something similar to whatyou're in here and chatting to peopleabout their own experience of mentalhealth and Howard are our onlyexperienced mental health exercises haspositively impacted that and which yeahfor now it's kind of keep going as we'regoing yeah absolutelyI think you'd be an amazing advocate forboth mental health and fitness so if youdo get the time and capacity later onabsolutely doing if I can help in anyway in terms of like setting up apodcast or anything please do reach outand I'll try my best to help you buddynot a problem that a stress so we'reactually at the the fun part of the shownow this is the part where I'm gonna askMichael all sorts of weird and wonderfulquestions let me know when you're readyand we're gonna hit the time wrap thenwe're gonna get started it's not okaywe're gonna go in three two oneokay Michael what did you eat forbreakfast nothing if you could reallylive one day again what day would it beoh the day I met my partner the abilityto fly or be invisible invisible who doyou admire most in the world and oh godthat's good question I've no ideado I admire most in the world oh geez mymom I love it when your fame mmm moneyyour proudest momentdropping on one knee your favorite foodhates it speak or languages will be ableto speak to animals or speak to animals100% if you could abolish one thing inthe world what would it beoppression what some best describes yourlife there is a song that I can't thinkof it don't worry be happy whatever thatsong got made that is a hundred percentyouokay if you had an extra hour a day howwould you spend it with my partnerNetflix or YouTube Netflix yournumber-one goal this year have apositive impact if you could sit withone person in the world for an hour whowould it berock your worst fear as a child these asbeing too tall I'm 6 4 but I've beenthink forces I was around 6 Wow okaywhat is your biggest addiction Netflixand finally buddy read minds or predictthe future read - love it ok that's theend of the quickfire round so we got toknow especially when you've got like notime to think as well so I was justinterested yes it but yeah some goodchoices there everyone loves pizza and Ithink I haven't found anyone yet whodoesn't like the rock ok but it's allwe've got fine or 2 questions now we'recoming towards the kind of end of theshow and the next thing I like to alwaysask my guess is more about reflection soI am a firm believer that hindsight is awonderful thing in terms of it teachesus a lot he teaches us how we can get toplaces quicker easier or with lessheartache now knowing you now as aperson you're very positive and youhaven't been through I suppose that muchadversity but if you could perhaps goback to a younger michael hayes knowingeverything you know now and whispersomething in that may be uncertain youngversion of yourself what would you sayand mental health is real I'd like tohave known a lot more about mentalhealth and being able to make an impactearlier I think yeah absolutely I thinkthe world would have benefited so muchas well if you knew but I'm justgrateful I'm sure people listening tothis are as well that you're making animpact now and on that note we areactually on our last question of theshow and the last question again Ialways like to ask all of my guess it'sabout legacy and if science fails tosave us all and all that is left is abook and that book is about MichaelHayes and everything you've achieved inyour life and all the great weird andbefore things that you've accomplishedfirstly what would the title will sayand secondly what would the blurb at theback tell us about you and the titlewould say keep it simple stupid the backwould probably go along the lines of andthis bloke managed to convince everybodythat the simple things done consistentlyand with a little bit of hard work makeall the difference I love that I love itmate thank you thank you for sharingthat I think just that title alone woulddefinitely make me pick up the book justto kind of think about the lastfantastic okay Michael so just before weend the show I want to give again I'vebeen plugging it all the way throughthis episode I want to give the audiencea chance to follow you on your journey Ithink you're a very infectious positiveperson I've really enjoyed thisconversationyou've got me out of my seat I was a bitlethargic this morning had two cups ofcoffee but I'm thinking about the restof the day so if you could tell us whereour audience can find you and what I'lldo is I'll play all of that together andI'll put it into the show notes becauseI believe you're gonna do incrediblethings and you already are so far awaymate oh my cheers thanks for that andyeah so on Instagram it's at mentalhealth fitness coach and Facebook justsearched mental health fitness coach andI'll pop up on both of those I'mactually on YouTube as well as mentalhealth fitness coach and there's a fewinterviews that I did in the past andone of them was with the CEO of are youokay which is a company - an Australiancompany that's are encouragingconversations around mental health andthat's quite a good one to go and lookat and that's actually a really goodresource for anyone in the UK as welland who are you okay just the letter areyou and then okay and that's that's onethat yeah it's probably one of the bestones that we have in Australia so forstarting conversations and how I start aconversation with a friend and what tosayand it's a unbelievable resource so I'dgo check that as well be a bitmental health fitness coach everywhereelse is where you'll finally fantasticand we spoke I think earlier this weekyou've also got another podcast so Idon't normally plug another podcast intothis but I think it'd be really nice forpeople to get to know even more so whatI'll also do is I'll put that in theshow notes as well or are you okay inthere as well because again this issomething that I'll follow personallyMichael it's been an absolute pleasurethank you for your time today and foreveryone else at home thanks forlistening today thank you and rememberthis podcast is absolutely free so allwe ask in return is for you to sharethis with a friend and drop us a fivestar review over on iTunes have anawesome day See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Find your voice - Episode 20 "It's a curse to call yourself a true Entrepreneur, unless you really are" - Penny Power #20Tagline: "Love is the most powerful force in the world, the more you can live within that energy, be that energy and give that energy the better your life will be "Penny Power, OBE is an incredible woman who could complete a podcast series alone. Having labelled herself as an 'Accidental Entrepreneur' Penny formed the first social network for business owners exceeding 650,000 members. However, as many entrepreneurs can relate, she was then forced to handle many ups and downs along her journey and forced to really look deep within herself. Through a journey of self care and discovery Penny began to deal with depression and really find her true purpose and love for herself. A journey she may even consider tougher than the entrepreneurial one.More importantly than the above, Penny is an extremely proud mother to 3 and wife to her husband all of whom she considers the greatest gift she ever received. Penny now coaches people on a 1-2-1 basis transforming not only their lives but also living her true purpose.From depression, to business, to self care to coaching we discuss so many facets that many of you today can relate too and hopefully take nuggets of information to move your lives forward and find your voice!Please check the links below and follow Penny's journey as she is credible, honest and an overall lovely soul.Thanks for listeningFree Audible book sign up:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Audible-Membership/dp/B00OPA2XFG?actionCode=AMN30DFT1Bk06604291990WX&tag=are86-21Best book on Mindset by Carol Dweck: Mindset https://amzn.to/2QajMvZSupport the podcast: https://www.patreon.com/findyourvoiceLinks to me:Website: https://www.arendeu.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/aren.deu/Twitter: https://twitter.com/arendeuFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/aren.singhLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aren-deu-65443a4b/Podcast: https://www.findyourvoicepodcast.com YouTube: http://tiny.cc/51lx6yLinks to guest:Website: https://www.pennypower.co.uk/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/PennypowerOBE/Twitter: https://twitter.com/pennypowerInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/pennyfpower/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pennypower/Books: https://amzn.to/2DPEvfUHave an awesome day#JustDeuIt #FindYourVoice[Music]welcome to an episode of find your voicea movement led by yours trulyAren do a guy who has overcomecrippling anxiety adversity anddifficulty like so many of you in lifewhose main goal now is to help youcombat your excuses take control of yourlife write your own story and mostimportantly find your voice so nowwithout further ado I welcome the hostof the show himself mr. Aren do what'sgoing on people thank you for tuning into another episode of find your voice myname is Aren and as always I am thehost of the show so I'm extremelydelighted to bring to you todaypenny power now for anyone who knowspenny they might also know her as theaccidental entrepreneur and the reasonfor that is because penny created thisabsolutely monster of a social networkfor business people in 1998 whichactually had over 650,000 businessowners in it not knowing what she had atthat time penny was sadly disrupted bywhat we know today as linked in sothere's definitely a brilliant storythere and we do discuss that furtherinto this episode alongside this pennyhas also received an OBE in 2014 for thework that she's done and she's seen bymany as a winner and having spoken toher in some depth not just during thisepisode but prior to it she certainly isthat alongside being a mother to threechildren and a wife to her husband pennynow sees herself working with clients ona one-to-one basis and we're in asociety today where a lot of coaches arealmost spawning overnight I mean we'reseeing people with one or two years ofexperience becoming a coach and thenselling their services and being a bitskeptical apart a lot of these coachespenny is somebody I'm certainly notskeptical about because if I was ever torecommend anyone as a coach it wouldcertainly be penny because penny has theexperience and you can tell from the wayshe speaks in this interview she knowsthis stuff so I think without furtherado we're gonna jump straight into thisone it's extremely exciting for me tobring somebody like penny onto mypodcastand I'm extremely grateful for that andI hope you all enjoy this episode thanksfor tuning inok so firstly I just want to thankeveryone for tuning in to today'sepisode today and I've just had afantastic discussion with penny prior tothis actually going live so I've got toknow her a lot there but I think it'svery important that you guys listeningtuning in today get to know the realpenny or Penny powers she is known tomany of us out there today so firstlyhow are you doing todayvery well I feel very well warmed uplovely conversation with you it was itcertainly was I could almost have anepisode out of that just in itself butI'm just for their sake of the listenerswho have just tuned in now and obviouslymay or may not have heard of you couldyou please just maybe give us an insightin relation to where you first started alittle bit about your journey andbasically what brings you here today andso I think you know and I think it'sbeen a journey of finding my voice whichis just perfect I'm gonna try and keepit little 16I went into the IT industry when I was19 I didn't go to university I went intosales and tele sales and joined it whenit was really booming and so it wasfairly relatively easy to excel and Iended up with in about by the age of 24I was sales marketing director of a 80million pound company with about 400staff that I was responsible for and an80 million pound sales line and we hadoffices around the country eight officesand but my first day there I just wentinto there and completely just out ofscarcity and needed to leave home and itwas a job and and I realized I was quitedifferent to everybody else in the roomyou know I wasn't really that focused onthe sale but I was focused on the impactof the sale that would have on whoeverwas buying the product and I actuallyresigned after seven months and I wasgoing to go to the University to do apsychology degree I had finally got myplace and my boss took me into a roomand said why are you leaving I said I'mjust not cut out for business it's notmy world I want to be have more impactin business and he said but you have noidea of the shift that youcreated in the culture of ourorganization and I was ripped shots as a19 year old to be told that and he saidjust be you stay and be you verypowerful when someone says that to youso I did and I built quite a nice careerI'd sort of left that company andactually went off to four othercompanies and then was invited back tobe their sales marketing director whenthey had grown quite substantially andthen at 28 I was blessed with my babyHannah and two more children and that isabsolutely that and my marriage is beingmy highest values my highest joy thething that I think is the most importantthing in my life I think you know thatfall saying charity begins at home Ithink if you put oxygen on your familythen you build a family that doesn'ttake from the world it can give to theworldi I've taken my role as a mum really asmy most important thing in my life andmy merit and my marriage because thatcompletes the family and but I am quitedriven I love I do love business andwhen I was 33 so I had Hannah was fiveand then I had Ross who was three and TJwas just not long born about six monthsold I came up with the idea of the factthat business seemed so lonely peopleworking on their own my husband beingone of them and sort of subject of nightnetworking in 1998 wasn't huge but therewas it was sort of going on but therewas no online networking for businessthere was Friends Reunited and MySpacebut nothing for business so I created acommunity for business online with aculture of reducing loneliness helpingpeople with their self-esteem and herself-worth and helping people to be whothey were rather than just what they didand it grew and it grew and it wasphenomenal but then we got massivelydisrupted we were growing up organicallyit was a subscription-based business tenpounds a month ten dollars ten eurosdepending where you were in the world wewere in 52 countries had 5000 offlineevents here and then LinkedIn took holdso retweet hoffman had actually visitedand used our site a little bit he thenraised three hundred and thirty milliondollars when in theokay we just couldn't raise any moneywe'd raised very small amount of seedinvestment but interestingly he justwent a different route and culture hewent to the business world with hisfantastic tool but it's said it's onlyabout what you are and actually then wesaw that was in 2002 so that was fouryears after we had grown then in 2004Facebook came into the student market2006 Peter came in and the mark I thinkwe all polarized you know this is Who Iam on Facebook this is what I am onLinkedIn an academy sat somewhere inbetween we needed to pivot the businessmodel by now we had lost our house inorder to keep the business going it wasvery challenging the trout childrentraveled around the world meeting ourmembers had little lapel badges withtheir names on them shaking hands atteach ethics or he first startednetworking and anyway in 2008 we went tothe bank and said look can we have aloan to pivot this business and theygave us a 5 year loan enabled us tostart looking at how we can offer freeand start basically doing what we didn'twant to do but in order to survive whichwas going to be sell your data so youyou know what we now upset about in theother markets so obviously that meant alot of our members that were happy topay we're unhappy but did get some newmembers joining who were happy that itwas free but it really challenged ourvalues and then three years into thatwith two years left around the bank loanthe banking crisis happenedwe got a 30 day notice to pay back therest of the two years and they broughtthe business down the bank after 14years so an incredibly painful definingmoments in 2012 and it has been anunbelievable climb to get back any senseof self-worth self belief a big journeyI which we can we can look into it waswonderful in 2014 out of the blue came abeautiful letter and offering me an OBEfor the contributorslovely feeling of validation andbut actually what I really learned isyou can get huge amounts of externalinvalidation in life but unless you canvalidate yourself and believe inyourself and feel your own sense ofself-worth these things are just a bitof gloss on your life and that's been ajourney which culminated in me writingmy book last yearfantastic and your book is called it'scalled business is personal well firstlywhat a journey I probably got more noteshere that again I could do probably apodcast on separately so I just want totouch on a few things throughout yourjourney so you ended with the validationstatement which I don't want to go intocuz I think that's so importantespecially in today's society yeah youwere 19 years old you had almost kind ofdisrupted and made a positive scene inthis industry where there was a fittingcomment and you said just stay and beyou yeah I loved that because I filmedmyself and in an industry where a lot ofmy business comes through social mediathere are people not just beingthemselves I feel that a lot of peoplehave a magic or they're saying thethings that they necessarily feel theyneed to say yeah what people want tohear and I think sometimes we all havesuch a unique gift or skillset that wemay not ever get to see if we're toobusy trying not to be ourselves if thatmakes senseI think I think that was beautiful andyou touched the game moving after thatabout your family and I just resonatedso much with your values in terms ofbreathing oxygen into your family andhow important your marriage is so wetouched obviously prior to this show alittle bit about one of your children Ilost a TJ and just the incredible personthat she is so again that's a testamentto your values and that kind of bringsme to where I am so I touched on theLinkedIn obviously disrupting and it'sand sadly for yourselves you had toalmost kind of pivot but you mentionedsomething which I just found fascinatingwhich was the values bit that reallykind of struck you so it's nice to hearand it's quite refreshing from yourselfthat yes you could have pivoted thebusiness and almost kind of taken on aLinkedIn approach but that's not whopenny is so using that and realizingthat in that moment getting the externalvalidation of OB what did you then do interms of your business I mean is thatstill going now that sort of business orhave you completely shifted it nowtowards really helping people trying tofind out about themselves as in terms offull of himself with yeah I mean Idefinitely has been a thank you for thatthat lovely reflection of what I said Ithink it's been a journey you knowsomething I say when I am coaching andmentoring and I run a mastermind groupnow I take two cohorts yeah so I Isupport people through a mastermindgroup which is beautiful experience wedo need in our values we do need to havea brand we need to know what we're herefor you know that lovely saying to bestdays of your life the day you're bornthe day you discover able all of thesethings are very very powerfulstart with why simon Sinek what it'screated it's created a massive panic ofpeople that don't feel they have it yetand you can't force it so you know wascoaching a lady yesterday it wasincredibly inspired by brainy Brown andher vulnerability statement and simonSinek and all these role models andshe's desperate to find her big messageand I just said just it will come but itabsolutely starts with the seed of whoyou are and you can't force it becauseyou want to market yourself better orwrite a better book or you've just got alot now having a coach or a mentor or aloved one help you coach that out of youis very powerful and I was with abrilliant guy called Sun hartleyyesterday and he's a performance coachand he said these three things you knowyourself be yourself accept yourselfI loved that thought I love that knowyourself be yourself accept yourself andI don't think that we can you know Iwent through a process last year withpsychologists and group therapy becauseI broke and I didn't break to the pointwhere I was you know I was shaking inthe corner but I had a really day ofdevastating experience that dangerousand scary experience on the 30th ofNovember 2017 that I went off to ahospital thinking I had had a stroke orsomething and they found no new logicalthings and and anyway through going tosee psychologists discovered that and Iwas now having some form of mentalhealth challenges and I actually spent alot of time reflecting and thinking andI think I started to break probably foryoubefore I had that incidence it's notsomething I was fat you know you couldstart off you could start off beingcompletely disabled with a bad legthrough or hip through eighth rightousit would start years before you know youget the so I think mental health issuesyou have to start becoming veryself-aware of how you're showing up inthe world before you really know you'vegot them and and you know I believe inmental fitness but there's anothersubject you know starting before itstarts like you do when you look afteryour physical health so the valuesfinding your voice knowing your valuesare very critical you can't force thesethings though and you know when I talkto CEOs of businesses or leaders ofbusinesses they've got pulled into avortex of ambition like this whirlwindof ambition that actually is fantasticif economies create that culture becausethey create to the fear and they createthe culture of you're lacking andtherefore scarcity and and fear and youlack and the market is a brilliance hasit online saying you could be moresuccessful you could be richer you couldbe more beautiful which immediately whenyou actually read that your subconscioushears I am lacking really wave love sobrilliant it's so clever but revoltingso we have to step away from things likesocial media and comparison andRoosevelt said comparison is the thiefof joy it's my favorite quote yeah it'sbrilliant isn't it love it yeahabsolutely and and it's it takes a hugeamount of reprogramming your mind tostop doing thatbut at least once you're aware you'redoing it you feel yourself doing it youcall yourself back into line becausewhen you look at the ingredients of whoyou are you know what makes you up thereis no single human being on this earththe same as you say mercury yourknowledge your skills your intentionsyour passions your experiences youradversities you've it's just absolutelynothing that could make someone the sameas you so therefore comparing yourselfis the first downward spiral really andone that people are so locked into andso you know anyone listening I'll justsay calm down listening to yourself justhave more self-awareness think of yourjoys think of what really sets you onfire all that's that which other peoplewill say but really do it not to makemoney from it to begin with I sawpowerful again I mean I can resonatewith this and I'm not sure if you'vefollowed it in my story or any of myprogression but I try and say a lot ofthis myself because again probablysimilar to yourself I found myself inthe state of comparison initiallyespecially when I started the propertyjourney and I have this habit now andI've kind of I don't do this in a way tooffend people or be rude but I'vestopped almost going on social media andliking people's posts and stuff becausewhat I effectively do now is I have amessage every morning or every eveningthat I want to share with the world andwhat I'll do is I'll write it out andI'll send it out and all of a sudden I'moff social media I'm not there to seehow many likes I get or how many sharesI get because if I fix ain't myself onthat metric in itself what's gonnahappen is if it's law one day the nextday I might be scared to share my truthagain and I think I think one of theimportant things you touched on again ispeople are almost in this panic of wedon't have it but they probably do andit's a patience game I suppose and whereI always say to people he's just speakyour truth speak whatever that comes toyou it's your own perspective it'llresonate with certain people and we'realmost in a society where people aretrying to almost say key and buzzwordsbecause they feel like that's what theyneed to almost same and I think you hitthe nail on the head and I think withyour experiences Ryan you just brieflymentioned the coaching aspect I thinkpeople listening to this show can gainso much value from that so I just wantedto touch on your mastermind that youmentioned is that what's something thatpeople would necessarily need to do inperson or is it something that you cando online from the comfort of your ownhome a really great question so I'vebeen on my own journey and I'm gonnacome back to that if that's not tooannoying so really so when I my - I callmyself an accidental entrepreneur foryears because I was when I came up withhe had a me I didn't know his tiger bythe tail but I had and then I started mysecond business after he had me calldigital use academy which it was highlyimpactful it was workingyoung people I created the digitalmarketing apprenticeship that is nowwidely used and I got investors to putmoney in we invested three hundred andfifty thousand pounds in an e-learningcent system and we distributed thatthrough further education colleges as anapprenticeship and over three years Iout two thousand unemployed very hard toreach young people into jobs giving themthe confidence that their digital skillshad value in the world and and hopingthat they would go into it with us thesort of culture that I believe in aroundsocial media so that was my second whatI call on two-player journey then Istarted my third which is called thebusiness cafe and it was that part ofthe journey that broke me because it wasanother push and what I feel is um theterm entrepreneur is really dangerous tome entrepreneurs are creating somethingfrom nothing and have massive ambitionand Luke Johnson in his book stopsstartup I think it's called saidambition is a curse and not everybodyhas it right to be a true entrepreneuryou have to be massively ambitious andyou have to know how much you're willingto sacrifice in terms of time money andgratification because being true you'rebuilding something as scales and hasimpact and this is the Silicon Valleyworld you know go out raise 300 milliondollars and there and reduce all your 1%and you know it's long busks and MarkZuckerberg the thing that a lot ofpeople your generation and two centsthat my generation came you know we wewitnessed from about 20 to 23 years agowhen ecommerce everything started so Iwould say that you know it's a curse tocall yourself an entrepreneur unless youtruly are so my own personal journey isand where I am finding so much joy nowgoing back to your original questionyeah is that I was employed had mychildren then became an entrepreneuraccident accidentally then they becamean entrepreneur a game with digitalyouth academy then tried to be anentrepreneur game with the business cafeand I still want to bring the businesscafe to market but when I broke my basicmy cup was full I was overflowing foreven a got out of bedmy resilience had gone and I wasexhausted and burnt and the way I'vecome back is by saying actually I'mgoing to be a small business much nicerof course yeaha small business is what is my value toone person and how can I exchange thatvalue for money and impact their livesdirectly so at the moment starting fromJanuary when I launched my mastermindand my mentoring coaching program thisyear I only need to work with about 34amazing people and I will fulfill notonly my emotional needs but my financialneeds and when I go into a room withsomebody I'm coaching I know that I getthat gratification I'm not only seeingthe impact I'm making on that one personbut also they're paying me yeah money isactually ultimately one of the ways weget our worth it is it's I know we don'tchase money but if we're broken and I'vebeen broken and if we can't financiallyafford to feed our children trying to bean entrepreneur is a very very dangerousjourney so going back to your questionam i delivering it online yes I've beenasked that a lotyeah if as soon as I do that I'mstepping away from my direct impacts interms of I'm putting a computer betweenme and and being able to love and holdand touch and care and look in the eyesof the people I'm wanting to impact andso this year that's what I'm doing thankyou for that answer so I want to playdevil's advocate just a little bit onthe the last night you said there so Ifully understand the whole direct beepthere directly impact them hold themlove them and touch these people thatyou weren't have been on a one-to-onebasis and I suppose when I first startedpersonal training I literally startedpersonal training because one I had losta lot of weight and done a qualificationwith a bit of spare change I had but Ithought it would pay for my way throughuni and then obviously doing that Ireally enjoyed it I loved transforminglives and seeing people lose weight gainconfidence which again I felt fantasticas being mothered journey and I got to apoint myself as I and I rememberI should take this online and almost dolike an online coaching for personaltraining where I will check in withclients online again losing that thatone-to-one communication thing but atthe same time getting back some of mytime so my yeah and perhaps potentiallymaking more money and I initially kindof was with yourself I was like I don'twant to do that it's got it's kind ofalmost dilute my power and my gift thatI have when I work with people but thenat the same time I had somebody questionme and again this is a question I wannaask you is do you not then feel becausein this very brief moment with yourselfthe reason I ask this is because I don'twant it to be that penny is based inthis part of the world or this part ofUK and we don't have access to pennyright now because I feel that if you areable to connect with more people yes themessage might be slightly diluted but Ithink your message is so powerful thatyou could affect so many more people sois it something that maybe your identitylater or I used sorry I'm gonna give youa really long answer to this Aren okayso at the moment I don't believe inmyself enough okay it's getting thereand this is the story I'm gonna tell youand it's absolutely true and it's themost up to date story I can tell youabout my life okay yeah please do I havealways wondered why people would spendmoney on an aspen all our mulberry orGucci handbag right so you're gonnathink where the hell she kept okay Inever needed itI never wanted even when Thomas and Ihad money you know and life was a biteasier didn't turn me on Thomas cameback from Dubai once on a speech hasbrought me back in a beautiful good shebox a handbag and it sat in the box forthree years I never used it didn't writeand but my daughter Hannah who we talkedabout a little bit and and hopefully youmight interview so absolutely would bean honor so when she was 20 and I wedidn't spoil our children they had towork from the age of from a young ageand at 16 they got jobs in supermarketsor Starbucks or whatever and age 20 shegot an internship at Barclays and I mether after work one day and we went offto Marburyjust off Oxford Street and she spent 900pounds in a bag I didn't judge her Ididn't judge at all is her money she'dworked hard for it and that was somesymbolism she wanted that bag and shehad this private relationship Reeves mybig my older sister who's 10 years oldand me because my elder sister he's 10years old of me loves designer handbagsand I used to watch quite jealously thisbut I think I want to join that Club I'mnot in certainly sign a handbag but Iwas quite jealous of these this banterthat I would hear and then looking ateach other's bags because ever sincethen Hannah's brought more bags anywaywhen I started this mastermind group wewere meeting at some Pancras stationit's beautiful meeting place and arestaurant there and that's where mymaster minds are going to be in aprivate room there and I had 12 separatemeetings because I have a four-hour oneto one with all the masterminds beforethey join and I would walk past anAspinall shop right eight and I walkpast it looked in sort of smug that allHannah would love that and walked upthese steps into this restaurant anywayone day I about the bath Inc was aboutthe ninth meeting I went into theAspinall shop took a photo of thislovely handbag and said to Hannahyou'd love this handbag Hannah and shesaid yeah is lovely the next time I wentback my 10th time I went in and I got itoff the shelf and I put it on myshoulder oh yes quite not put it back11th time went back went in looked at itand asked him how much it was and talkedto him about it last week was my 12thtime and I said to Hannah the nightbefore I was going back to London for my12th meeting Hannah I fallen in lovewith an astronaut bag yeah and she wentby it by it mom buy it buy it buy itreally and she said I am mom you reallydeserve it buy it so I said don't be nosomebody who works for Aspen orsomething I could get a 30% discountoh yeah I can look into overnight if youwant mum so we'll do that that'd belovely done it anyway next morning Iwoke up to get the train to London myjob meeting and I sent her a text andsaid Hannah I'm gonna buy it I don'twant it discounted I went in and Ibought it and we came home and wechampagne while I opened it at home andThomas said to me just said out of theblue how come you've decided to buyyourself back and I said Thomas I'mworth it and it was so poignant thateverybody cried because Hannah has saidto me mum why don't you believe inyourself you've gotten an OBE look whatyou've done look at the lives you'vechanged look everything you've done andI said I just didn't believe it insideme until I've got I do now so this isthe most up to date story I can tell youour an a my journey and it's been reallyinteresting I share it because I'mreally open with everyone if somebodywants to judge me for the the pain I'vebeen through and the losses I've beenthrough and judge me is a bad businessperson because I'm not achievable youknow I could have achieved I don't Ireally don't care about that I'm just meand um and I will share that that storywith the world because it's we've got tofind our own self worth deep deep deepdown now so in answer to your storywhich was bad to me to go online andexpect somebody to want to pay for anelectronic version of me I haven't gotto that point yet believing in myselfenoughthat's incredible thank you for sharingthat I'm grateful for you sharing thatbecause as you were saying that therewere so many parts of it maybe some ofthe listeners could probably resonatewith it where I'm on thisentrepreneurial journey where I'm kindof bootstrappingas and when I can and stuff like the bagif we use trainers for example where myyounger brother who's nine years youngerthan me we're going spend to endureparents on a pair of trainers where I'mlike I can't do that I can't possiblythink I'm doing that I mean you grew upin slightly different generations wherefinances were different and growing upbut I don't know something tempting justclick there and I thought maybe there isa is an element within myself where myself-worth needs to kind of at least bereflected on and maybe people listeningto this can reflect on that because itwas a beautiful moment I could almostpicture you coming homepopping up and that bottle of champagneand then having this moment where you'relike do you know what I am worth it soit's a beautiful story that you've justshared there and in relation to thediluting the messagething which is the question that I askedyou and you feel that you're notnecessarily worth it now can I just askis that kind of like an impostorsyndrome that's going through your heador do you I think it's partly that I'vewatched so many I don't want swear youcan sway tosses is the places I say sella dream online and manipulate and andcorrupt I don't want to be part of thatworld and I've seen people close to meyou know hire an expensive house rent afat Ferrari and stand outside and sayyou can be as rich as me if you do myprogram and and they are multimillionaires but I have seen so manylost souls back up their lives leavingthat story and so I've got to I've gotto get to a point where for me to jointhat world I've really got to feel safethat I am never going to do that toanyone penny I loved that about youthat's like for me it's kind of likeabout the Family Fortunes TV episodegoing through my head reach that topanswer and it's like kind of bleedingbecause for me it's one of the thingsthat I hold very close to my heart so II got taught off by my wife actuallylast night so this is a very currentstory and I was writing a post and Ikind of just write post from my heart orwhatever I think I don't spellcheck it Idon't think about it I just literallywrite it there and then and as I waswriting it I sinner peeping over it shewas kind of looking at it like why youkind of she's seen it as me being kindof argumentative or not I'm just tryingto think of the wrong bird a bit againstthe grain kind of thing because mymessage yesterday was very similar toyourself so I'm in the property spaceand in the property space there are allthese millionaires selling this poorthingdream and I absolutely hate it because Iwas fortunate that I had 12,000 poundsleft in my account which I spent on theeducation I still believe I would havebeen where I am now without thateducation because in hindsight it wasn'tas good as I've published sin so sincethen I have probablymove people away from the education andI've offered my free service I've givenmy course material that I've paidthousands for because I'm like listenyou can learn all this yourself youdon't need this shiny book or thiscourse that's gonna change your lifebecause I've done it I joined thiscourse thinking twelve months time I'mgonna be a multi-millionaire blah blahblah all of that so you've obviouslyseen these kind of and I put crooks Idon't call them houses but appearancesis probably a better word and it reallyreally it gets it gets to me because atthe same time I also feel I have valuein some of my skills that's where I cango out and coach an extensive amount ofpeople but then I almost getting thisimpostor syndrome myself thinking Idon't want to ever be seen like thesepeople out there exactly doing it thewrong way so I fully get there andobviously we're at different stages inlife you're a lot more advanced andexperienced than myself and I get thatand at the same time I'm like I'm seeingpeople with less experience than myselfwho have fabricated their results takinggood selfies on one Facebook and thenall of a sudden the selling weekendcourses for two thousand pounds and Iread a book recently on it and it wasabout neuro linguistic programming NRPcalled the dark psychology and there wasa brilliant quote in that and what itsaid was you can either manipulatepeople or persuade people basically andthe people there's a lot of people whosay I want to help you I want to do thisfor you and you need to be able toassess are they trying to manipulate youI looking at their own self gainirrespective of whether it's going toactually get you what they're promisedin you or are they're just trying topersuade you to abandon life and I'm I'mgrateful that I've managed to have thisinterview with you and lets you connectwith you because you're one of the goodpeople and it's nice to see somebodydoing it the right way and I do feelthat sometimes we may not get there asquick as other people and we may have toprobably face more obstacles but I justbelieve it's just so much easier to goto sleep at night doing things the rightway well it does it goes back to whatyou said at the beginning about yourcore values and and and whether you cansleep itself you know these CEOs thatSam you this someone was telling me theycoach it said the CEOs are in fear oflosing their jobs or their businessbecause all around them they have nola they've just lost everything we'velost their wives they live norelationship with their children intheir strife for success of whateverthey decided success would be when theywere young they have and now they sit infear in these big jobs because if theylost their job or they lost theirbusiness they have nothing else left andI think we have to think about what isit we want to surround ourselves withTomas and I have lost everything and westill had our marriage and our childrenand it's it's all that matters that's tome that's the possible and I thinkpeople need to go deep into their valuesbut they chase this ambition or thisdream or this comparison or whatever itis that's confusing them yeah absolutelyI think that's a fantastic message thankyou for sharing that penny I reallyappreciate itso now that you're you're definitely anentrepreneur I think I don't thinkanyone's gonna disagree that you're anentrepreneur whether it is by accidentor whatever I mean I feel I'm a bigbeliever that everything happens for areason and if we choose to we can findour own way and I'm grateful that youfound your own way but what I want toask is so for somebody who's beenthrough been through it all should I sayin terms of the journeys of ups anddowns what's your daily routine likebecause I'm a firm believer thatmotivation doesn't last forever and I amstrongly I'm strongly for sorry and thatwe should discipline ourselves incertain aspects hence your nutrition orthe thoughts you tell yourselfaffirmations being grateful all thatsort of stuff in order to get throughthe darker days and not everyone speaksabout the darker days but what's yourdaily routine like Monday to Sunday umso I am always been an early Waker evenas you know child when I was teenagerdid my revision early I always wake sodoes my husband around 5:00 o'clock andwe love that and we go down and get twocups of tea each one of us goes and getsfour cups of teaand we do have that television in thebedroom which we absolutely love so thismorning we watched we loved all thedramas we watched the final of motherfather son for example and we lie in bedtogether and we holehas and we have a cup of tea and wewatch that and then we do that from ournow this is I'm not rushing to Londonfor trade and then I share and then Ifor the last six years I have made avery lovely drinks which containsspinach kale berries chia seeds flaxseeds hue carrot and and then I startwork because I love work so either startwork in the office or I will go toLondon I do try to go to London after10:00 because hey the trains are so muchcheaper oh I go on the train I mean it'syou know how much that makes adifference to your monthly outgoings ifyou if you do have a discipline of doingthat and I just feel better if I do thatthen I get a good start in the morningand then my ideal day is to coach oneclient today about three times a week soin the afternoonsI'll meet at this lovely place and coachthem if it's better in the mornings Iwill do the morning because it's reallydown to where they when they get theirbest energy of course Alice and threetimes a week I'm really grimacing here Itry to go to the gym okay Red Mill anddo some weights but I'm not achievingthat very well moment and I do have ayoga routine that I try to do everymorning before I get dressed that's itfantastic do you do any sort of them Imean I know you've touched on yoga theredo you do any meditation or anygratitude journaling or writing yourgoals down is that so I do I am I have aattitude of blessings and gratitude allthrough the day and I do start my daywith that I definitely don't even haveto consciously do it I just comes intomy mind that I have not that I feel itnow it's I think it's incrediblypowerful that mindfulness meditationthat would completely elude me I justdon't have you do that but mindfulnessI'm trying to learn that my son who'sstudying psychology at University whoand there's quite a high performing butvery him puts a lot of pressure onhimself a lot of pressure on himselfhe's learnt mindfulness and he'sactually done a certificate in it nowand he has it's it's incredible how itstransformed him he said he can't livewithout it and so it is that's andiscipline I'm trying to bring into mylife like I've got itfantastic and just actually if we mayjust going back to something we touchedon earlier we touched on mental fitnessand I know we spoke about this before Iclick the record button yeah do you wantto just briefly elaborate on that aswell because I think that's going to bevery important for the lissa so I when Ihad this sort of breaking moment Iultimately took a while but in the endthe psychologist diagnosed me with PTSDwhich I always thought needed to be ahuge trauma you know something itdirectly happened to you but PTSD isbasically anything that everyday comesback into your mind and it is and itfills your cup before you because atwork Venus that started today and I had12 things that from the age of 3 throughto about 3 years ago that were still onpains that I hadn't accepted andreconciled and I wasn't a victim of thembut they were still front of mind and Ihad to go through a process called EMDRto work through them which was a hardexhausting painful process of acceptanceand letting it go and then when you doit goes into your you might back in yourmind the other thing that I gotdiagnosed with is a form of depressioncalled cursive strong which is a badbook by dr. tim cavanaugh onhe owned a Mazon he worked for thePriory and he found that people thatwere coming to him who were very dynamicvery hardworking high levels ofdiscipline were he'd ended up diagnosinghit them with this and what I gotdiagnosed with and it's basically a formof depression that means you will notself care and look after yourself rightif you just get up every day and youjust keep pushing until until you justyou just just exhausted and so when Iwas going through my psyche my grouptherapy and times with my psychologistwhich talked about in my bookthere was healing triggers and emotionalmental repair that I talked about in mybook that I feel is relevant to everyentrepreneur every human yeah I believearound your belief systems your valuesto thoughts your feelings yourpersonality type etc and what I thenthought was actually if I had no in thistwenty years ago before I became anentrepreneur or even younger I wouldhave focused on my mental fitness notmoment I'd not got to a point where Ihad mental health issues so now I'm anadvocate of mental fitness because Ithink that there are things that wecould learn about ourselves so to meresilience isn't about how hard thepunches are that you are willing to takeand bounce back from resilience is likea boxer you learn what to dodge you'vedone the things that your personalityand your who you are and what matters toyou that you do not want to beconfronted by and you dodge and thatwould enter Fitness to me fantasticactually the first time I've heard itexplained like that I think I think themessage is clear though and I'm quitefascinated now you've got me intriguedinto your own personal book so I know Idon't read books in terms of thehardcovers but I am an advocate ofaudible and listening to books is yourbook available as an audible version oris it strictly a hardcopyno it is I went into studio recorded itso it's on audio it's on Kindle and it'son poppy yeah okay fantastic so there'sno excuse for me not to buy that thenI'll definitely be checking that outthank you for that thank you okay so thenext thing I always ask my guests andagain this is something that willhopefully give the listeners maybelessons that they can take on or somesort of advice is about adversity nowyou've obviously been through a lot ofadversity some of it we probably haven'teven touched in this very short episodeso I know you mentioned briefly and youlost your house you mentioned I think itwas November you were having thesemental health challenges if you couldeither choose one of those or somethingelse in your life where you've beenthrough adversity and just tell us howyou've basically overcame that and thelessons that you've got from it just tokind of give the listeners maybe sometools that they could perhaps use yeahy'know happily so there have been Imentioned that there were I think Imentioned there were twelve things on mylist when I went to the psychologistthat bothered me that was still throwfront of mind went back to his childhoodnot that I was abused or anything butthere was something you know things thatbothered me and all the way up to adultsso I think one of the greatest learningswas that the second business that Istarted digital youth academy I got someinvestors involved I didn't do any truediligence on them but because I hadknown of them and they certainly seemedto have my best interests in the passionof the business in their hearts whenthey invested but I think I was at apoint of scarcity when I went into thatrelationship which is always dangerouswhether you're taking on a client or asupplier or a marriage whatever you oweinto it in a scarcity fear mindset thenit's going to be very difficult and soultimately I had to work my way out ofthat relationship even though I lovedthat business very much we had to exitand sell that business and the issue wasthat because I was in scarcity andclearly was lacking in personalself-worth I enabled them to havecontrol over me and one of the thingsthat strapline of my book is how to leadthe life and business that you want andI was told by actually somebody whoworked for me in that business Russellwho now runs the Starbucksapprenticeship program across Europe hewas a brilliant guy he was ops directorworking with me and he said to me petone day penny I can tell and when Ifirst met you two who you are now thingsyou're not as happy as you used to beI said well that's a real shame and hesaid I watched a documentary last nightand they said there were three parts ofhappiness and they've done a big studyglobally and three parts were 50% ofhappiness is your Constitution are you ahappy person he said penny you alwayshappy and you are a happy person10% is the achievement of the things youwant and you know in this study we knowthat we all always want something elsesoon as we got something we always wantsomething else that's why us so much andinnovate and keep going you know we'renot happywhy we're not animals and that's why weare so progressive 40% of happiness ishow much control you have a have overyour own life and decisions you make andhe said clearly you're being controlledand I was now I had to then unwind thatand I talked about this in my book howsometimes you have to positivelysurrender to a situation and I realizedthat I wasn't going to change a patternthat we had created between us as arelationship where they were assertiveand I was passive where they were theadult and effectively they were treatingme as a child and it was my own doingbecause I went into this relationshipalready in a bad place yeah and so partof the learning I had to go through isI've got to a point in my life whereanybody who was assertive with me I hadwas labeling them in my head as a bullyso I was catastrophizing anybody whoseemed to want to have control over meanybody that had an opinion that wasstrong I saw as bullying and I had tolearn as a naturally not assertiveperson anyway I had to learn to be moreassertive and realized that beingassertive is actually a very adultcommunication style it doesn't have tobe angry that's one one lesson I canpass on absolutely I think that's alesson that I've had to learn myself aswell because when I first I property Iwas very probably a similar situation toyourself as our kind of put people on apedestal yeah I think thinking that Iwasn't worthy or didn't have in muchknowledge yeah yeah in fact I probablydid in hindsight now the funny thing isI got ripped off I got builders runningaway taking advantage of me I hadpotential business partners see me asnaive and trying to make me do more workthan initially agreed to so I had allthese kind of problems and teeth andissues initially as well and I remembermy mom actually saying and you need toyou need to be stronger you need to stopbeing like a walk or a pushover and Iwas just like it's just who I am as inand I was always confident that if Ididn't become this again I assumed ithad to be a nasty dictation person and Iwas as long as I just be myselfsomewhere along the line I will get therightkind of people around me and and maybe Ihave developed some level ofassertiveness over the last few yearsbut I've certainly now got a team aroundme who I can trust and they know me frommy skills I know them for their skillsand it certainly helped but I think youhit the nail on the head there where yousaid it's a skill to learn and and in myhead it's always been if I come acrosstoo assertive are people gonna think I'ma bully or embossing axe or whatever itis so yeah that's really interesting Ithink I think people can definitelyresonate with that good yeah definitelyso penny what's your biggest fear umI suppose my biggest fear is currentlyis long-term sustainable income becausewe you know when you lose everything andI'm it's amazing some people I'mattracting now as co2 coach them is alot of people in their 50s that havehuge skills and but they haven't reallybeen able to manage their business lifethe way they needed to and and createthat sustainable income so I loveworking so I'm going to be very happyworking well into my 70s and Beyond ifpeople still have me but creating somesense of security into my old age is isprobably what what I suppose drives mebut also drives me negatively because itis also a fear okay that's interestingso a bit of a shameless plug here haveyou thought about property investing asI sort of yes I've not anywhere nearthat place to be able to even considerthat well if you ever ask them please doreach out yeah I will I appreciate thatand I will and I think we'll definitelydo that much thank you so much whatwe're gonna do now is actually we'regoing to completely mix it up now we'regoing to go into what I call the funpart of the show so at this stage of theshow all I'm gonna do is literally askyou the most random questions that I canthink of from my list in front of meyou've got no idea what I'm gonna askyou we're gonna do the buzzer for about60 to 90 seconds so there are no rightor wrong answers so literally just saythe first thought that comes into yourhead oh gosh that's very good god yes nono you'll be absolutely fine okay we'regonna start in three two onewhat did you eat for breakfast my shakethe ability to fly or be invisible liewhat is the best thing about being anentrepreneur Breeden if you couldeliminate one thing from your dailyroutine what would it beexercise what is the best gift anyonehas ever given to you my children wouldyou rather have a rewind button or apause button on life pause don't saywhere your fame o'moneyyour proudest moment my childrengraduating your favorite food choiceokay Netflix our YouTube Netflix yournumber-one goal this year to help 34people achieve their dreams yourfavorite TV show ever pride andprejudicewould you rather know how you would dieor when you were dying how if you couldsit with one person in the world for anhour who would it be my husband speakall languages or be able to speak toanimals all speak to animals and finallyif you could abolish one thing in theworld what would it bereligion okay fantastic so that's theend of the fun part of the show itwasn't that hard was itno that's very good okay brilliant sowe're almost at the end of the show nowI just got the last final few questionsI just want to ask you penny and now thenext question is about reflection soobviously hindsight's a wonderful thingwhere we can always think of ways to getourselves somewhere quicker easier orwith less heartache but I guess thejourney also teaches us a lot as well sowhat I want to know is if knowingexactly what you know now you could goback to a younger penny and maybewhisper something in their ears toinspire her for the journey that liesaheadwhat would you say it'll all be okay Ithink I've probably just give her thatcomfort really just that reassuranceit's just the reassurance yeah and thatactually suddenly brings us to the lastquestion then what for the show andagain this is something asked for all ofmy guests and it's about legacy so if in150 years time science fails to save usall and all that's left is this book andthis book is about penny and her lifeand everything she's accomplished andall of the great wonderful thingsfirstly what would the title of the booktell us and secondly what would theblurb at the back read to us cost I offthe cuff yeah well the first the title Ithought was love okay and it would justsay that that love is the most powerfulforce in the world and the more that youcan live within that energy and be thatenergy and give that energy the betteryour life will be thank you for sharingokay brilliant so that brings us toliterally the end of the show and justbefore I leave penny what I want to dois give you a chance to connect with theaudience so if you wouldn't mind couldyou please tell everyone listening howthey could reach you and maybe if youhave time and the capacity for them tomaybe engage with you that's very kindthank you so I'm on Twitter so at pennypower I'm on LinkedIn so I'll be easilyfound as penny power I'm on Facebook butunfortunately I think I've just aboutreached that five thousand limits andI'm absolutely rubbish and got to put mypage right but I don't have a page I'vegot a lovely community on Facebookcalled the business cafe global andthat's a very caring very honest andreal community of small businesses I'mon Instagram as penny F power and then Ihave a website which is penny power UKand on there there's different contactforms that's fantastic and what I willdo is I will put all of those details inthe show notes thank you that's verykindno no you're very welcome I'll also puta link to the book as well because I'mlooking forward to reading that myselfand I just want to say once again pennythank you so much for your time todayit's actually been a fascinating talkeven the stuff we spoke about before theepisode and I just wanna thank you foryour time I want to thank everyone athome as wellthanks for listening wonderful andremember this podcast is absolutely freeso all we ask in return is for you toshare this with a friend and drop us afive star review over on iTunes have anawesome day See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Find your voice - Episode 17- "Wonderfulness of Life" - Louise Blyth #17 Part 1Tagline: "Be the captain of your fate and master of your soul"Louise Blyth, is an incredible lady who has experienced losing the love of her life, George Blyth tragically from cancer. With cancer now affecting 1 in 2 families it is a common occurrence so many of us face in our day to day life. But unlike any other story Louise world took a massive turn upon the sad death of her spouse and soul mate.Experiencing a supernatural event during his last few days Louise beliefs, perceptions, outlook and whole world had been turned around where she found herself finding, what she describes as "the greatest love all of us could ever know"A 2 part special episode, this incredible story does not lean on an emotional tale which will have you in tears of sadness, despite its tragic theme. Instead, tears of happiness seeing someone recover from grief and finding a bigger purpose and understanding of her being in the world takes over the story's narrative and leaves you feeling rather refreshingly happy that in such a sad circumstance someone can continue their life in a positive, fulfilling way.Now a widow of 2 children, Louise has created The Wonderfulness of Life which focuses on, Happiness being a choice and a state of mind.I am sure you will all agree this story truly warranted two episodes and if anyone can take anything positive away from this, it is to cherish all the moments we have with our loves ones and find blessings in whatever cards we are dealt in life.Thanks for listeningFree Audible book sign up:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Audible-Membership/dp/B00OPA2XFG?actionCode=AMN30DFT1Bk06604291990WX&tag=are86-21Best book on Mindset by Carol Dweck: Mindset https://amzn.to/2QajMvZSupport the podcast: https://www.patreon.com/findyourvoiceLinks to me:Website: https://www.arendeu.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/aren.deu/Twitter: https://twitter.com/arendeuFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/aren.singhLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aren-deu-65443a4b/Podcast: https://www.findyourvoicepodcast.com YouTube: http://tiny.cc/51lx6yLinks to guest:Website: https://www.thewonderfulnessoflife.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/louise-blyth-207a7a49Instagram: https://instagram.com/wonderfulness_of_lifeFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/louise.Blyth83Have an awesome day#JustDeuIt #FindYourVoice[Music]welcome to an episode of find your voicea movement led by yours trulyAren do a guy who has overcomecrippling anxiety adversity anddifficulty like so many of you in lifewhose main goal now is to help youcombat your excuses take control of yourlife write your own story and mostimportantly find your voice so nowwithout further ado I welcome the hostof the show himself mr. Aren do what'sgoing on people thank you for tuning into another episode of find your voice myname is Aren and as always I am thehost of the show so before I begin thisannouncement I just want to say amassive massive massive thank you toevery single one of you who havelistened to this show I also want to saya massive thank you to anyone who haspreviously listened to his show and lefta review because it's your reviews thatI've helped us get into the news and notworthy on iTunes now this is no smallfeat this is actually an incredibleachievement and the more I research itthey're more proud I actually feel butmore importantly I'm so proud of myguests and I'm so grateful that theywere able to share their journey but I'malso so happy to have such loyallisteners like yourselves to reallysupport this movement and that's exactlywhat it is it's a movement it's abouttrying to inspire people try and put apositive beacon of light into the worldand really try and get everyone to livetheir best life combat their excuses andreally change their perception andmindset so without rambling on too muchwe have a really really excitingtwo-part episode coming up for you nownow this is actually our first evertwo-part episode and conscious of yourtime which is obviously our biggest andmost important commodity I'm gonna jumpstraight into this one okay so I justwant to start by thanking Louise for hertime and coming onto the show today toshare her story which I'm sure you'reall gonna find absolutely inspirationalso Louise how are you doing todayI'm good thank you I'm good fantasticfantastic so I just want to say thankyou I appreciate you and I'm reallylooking forward to this one so this wasactually a recommendation from somebodyelse you may haveone heard previously on a podcast it'sepisode number fourteen and it's my betdaily Rylan it's something that I urgeall of you to check out because it wasactually within the first four hours itgot the most number of listenstraightaway so it's a great hit and I'drecommend you all going back to thathowever moving on now we have anotherfantastic guest in Lewis so Louise Ithink it's really important for thelisteners to understand your story andunderstand a little bit about yourselfas well if you if you wouldn't mind ifyou could just kind of give us aninsight into yourself a little bit aboutyour journey and what basically bringsyou here today yeah no worries so and ifI'm completely honest I never thoughtthree even four years ago that I wouldbe someone that would be sat beinginterviewed on a podcast talking aboutthe subject that I'm going to bring tothe table today which is lossbereavement and life after livingthrough sort of that kind of trauma soso my story is from nottingham fromrobin hood that's where i kind of growup grew up and spent my childhood had afantastic childhood my parents reallysort of put myself over the first I waskind of one of those people at schoolthat was not really super cool but alsoI hope not too much of a mega geek andyou know you did did the normal stuffkind of growing up going into nightclubsprobably too young being carried out ofnightclubs after having drink too muchso my friends before say probably tooyoung and went away to university at 18where I studied French and actuallylived abroad for a year when I was 19which was quite young and that was Isuppose my first experience if I'm beingbrutally honest of life if that makessense so in terms of really realizingthings around loneliness relationshipsbeing able to kind of go it alone and dothings for yourself because essentiallywhen you're on your own in a foreigncountry you have no one else to rely onother than yourself and I and so thatwas that was really really kind of bigexperience in my life and graduated inin 2006 probably like many so you reallyexpect it about what life had to offerme and had one of these huge plansaround what I thought I was gonna be andwhat car is thought I was gonna driveand what house I wanted to have hadn'tmet kind of anyone special at that pointthere's been a few a few boys but no onewho'd kind of really made me sort of situp and take notice and in 2006 I wasaccepted on to a training scheme agraduate training scheme and that waskind of a supposed to start of where mylife really really started to change soI I started there in September and on myfirst day in fact before my my first dayon the induction day I met George who Iwould fall in love with and marry so wewere part of a group of about 30 peoplehe will join together and we had a greattime it was like being at university youknow me we were there training togetherliving together all became really reallygreat friends but he was the guy thatkind of more than anyone else you knowwas not never first I on any level I youknow I remember thinking oh my gosh thisguy's so confident you know he's reallysort of sure of himself but we justbecame really great friends and we usedto would talk all the time and then itwas that that Christmas so this is theSeptember when we started our job and itwas that Christmas when we actually kindof had our first kiss so he'd he'dreally really raison he said when hefirst were in the business oh well I'mgonna be I'm gonna be in Edinburgh soI'm gonna have a hub burn a party andwe're all gonna come to Edinburgh andhave this holiday party and I rememberthinking oh my god who is this guy likethey're so confidentso anyway true to his words you knowfour months later there we all were sortof twenty or so others at his flat in inEdinburgh and that's kind of whereGeorge and I had our first kissNew Year's 2006 2007 and after that youknow my life my life changed in aninstant I know for people that arelistening that of maybe you know you'vemet someone that they know that theywon't spend the rest of their life withwhen you meet that special person youknow really it is everything that you'veever hoped for it is kind of like themovies and the songsand it's it's truly beautiful it's areally amazing experience and we knew weknew from the outset that we hadsomething special I think that often youdo you know it was more than just afriendship it was a kind of deeprespectful sort of love it was it was itwas powerful you know and so we kind ofwent on living our lives together youknow as what happens when you meet theperson that you want to spend your lifewith you know you stop being you stopbeing as our lives became more and moreintertwined so we we lived apart welived togetherwe vented together we bought a housetogether his kind of his career wentfrom kind of great amazing as he kind ofcharged through the ranks from corporateperspective we were engaged in 2010 wewere married in 2011I felt pregnant we had off this babyquite quickly which was just a hugeblessing and we it gave birth to of thisson in 2013 so for all intents andpurposes we were the couple that thathad it all we were probably the peopleand I hugely recognize this that peoplelook to in kind of discipline oh howthey got this you know like they'vethey've met young they've both got goodjobs they're doing really well hopefullythey thought we were nice people youknow we had we had a nice house we drovenice cars we had a you know we had wedecided we wanted to have a baby and itjust was easy we got pregnant and I hadno problems with my pregnancy so youknow we were on to a good thing life waslife was really really great and then wedecided to have another baby and I gotpregnant very easily again and shortlyafter office and was born we moved houseso we relocated back to Nottingham surebecause by this point we're living downsouth because that's like the street sirI paid gold and then whilst I waspregnant with our second son George justhad this overwhelming feeling which Ican come back to and talk about somemore and as we kept kind of maybe deeperinto the interview there that we had tomove that we had to move back to myhometown andum so we we bought a house when I wassix months pregnant and moved after ourson was just born to me with an 8 weekold baby at that time that's when Georgestarted to be presenting with symptomsthat just weren't you know wasn't welland we couldn't get to the bottom of ithe was wrong he constantly had a cold hewas always tiredhe was really rundown he had low reallyreally low energy levels and because ofthe stage and the circumstance of ourlife in that we had two incredibly youngchildren Zoey at this point you know wehad a three-month-old baby and atwo-year-old son and you know justNewhouseGeorge was commuting to London from ourhouse and Notting Michelle it is a bigcommute you know said not you know notfor the faint-heartedwe just continually put it down to thefact that this is what life is in yourseason and you know you try and haveyeah we're rundown you know this ishaving kids everyone whinges about thetiredness and the exhaustion which is ayou know it's part of the territory ofyou know you don't live with yourchildren but it just didn't sort of seemto get better and there was thiscontinual niggle that was there andessentially basically we pursued it andto cut a long story short of how weactually came to this conclusion wedecided to send George for a colonoscopywhich is a process where you basicallyhave a camera put up your bottom it'snot that unpleasant so he went off andhad this procedure and I mean this iswhat our life was like at this point intime our and so he decided to have thisprocedure in London because he rememberhim saying to meyou know I'm so busy at work what I cando is I can go to work and then I can dothis after work and I can come back andI can still behave at that time wegenuinely didn't think that there was abig you know big big reason to beconcerned all of the health careprofessionals had said to us there's nota reason to be worried he's so younghe's 33 it's definitely not gonna bebowel cancer and basically that day thatyou had the colonoscopy which was thethe 9th of December 2015he called me I was at home literallykind of quite literally walking aroundthe Christmas tree and my little boyanswer and with a little Senate nurse weputting all my fairy lights out thinkingwow you know life's amazing this is grayand he called me and that phone call wasthe moment that just shattered my lifebecause having your husband ringing andsay the words I've got cancer ah it wasjust it felt like a time-space continuumand I yeah it was just hideous and Iremember saying to him oh my god shecan't know this already how do you knowlike it can't be which was actually theroute that I went domine when he told uswas exactly the route that all of ourfriends went down afterwards when weactually had to then tell them the newswhich was just as difficult as himhaving to tell me and I know now thatthat's the kind of psychologicalresponse in terms of you know plausibledenial you want to commercialise withwhat you're hearing and you want somehowto be like this isn't true this thiscan't be the case this isn't us you knowdo you not know who we are today and Iremember you know being on the phonewith George and crying and him saying tome it's fine like he'd managed to havethe force I mean this is the kind ofincredible guy he was he'd had theforesight to call my parents tell myparents what happened before he ran meso he could say to me after he told meI've got cancer your mum and dad are onthe wayyour mum doubt of coming over andthey're gonna be here any minute andthey're gonna be they're gonna be herethey're gonna scoop you up and I'm on myway back from London it was just so soso kind and so thoughtful which was justwho he was to his coreso that was December 2015 and our livesin that instant you know I often jokedwith people and say I sing the song fromFresh Prince of bel-air oh it's probablyshows the kind of generation that I amit was you know this Oriole upside downbecause in that instant it was my lifewas flipped turned upside down and yeahit was just everything that we knewabout our life was thrown thrown on thefloor but then that you know that wasn'tthe end that was the beginning of a newlife and a new existence which went onfor 11 monthsso we then lived in a season of stagefour bowel cancer so when George wasdiagnosed he had metastatic bowel cancerwhich is basewe can circle of lingo for the fact thatthe cancers bad and it spreads todifferent parts of your body and inGeorge's case it spread to his liverwhich is not good news obviously it'sone of our major organs that you need tofunction so George then lived through Ithink it was eight rounds ofchemotherapy followed by six weeks ofreally intense radiotherapy followed bya season of kind of watch wait let's seewhere this where these horrible cellskind of come back then he did a hugehuge surgery in the summer which issomething called the liver resectionwhich is essentially where you getchopped open and all of your liverthere's got cancer and chopped out whichis kind of just the most epic surgeryyou can imagine before he did that hecycled around London and raised a lot ofmoney for bowel cancer UK and then hesaid I remember him saying to hisoncologist you know just before he hadthis liver surgery I'm gonna I'm gonnado more bike riding and then this sortof all looking at him like he wascompletely mental eight weeks to the dayafter he'd had his liver resection hecycled from London to Paris releasedmore funds for Bar Council UK and thenshortly after returning home from thatboat ride he started complaining againfeeling unwell and we you know wegenuinely thought that we were on thesort of positive track with this diseaseand literally eight weeks the day afterhe'd stood in front of the eiffel toweryou know holding his bike you know inthis kind of really momentous epicphotograph that I've got of him he wasdead so he he went downhill incrediblyquickly and peacefully passed away onthe 18th of November 2016 so I was 33and I had a three year old and a tenyear olds and yes it was incrediblyincredibly hard yet was incrediblybeautiful and a moment of glory that Inever expected at the moment of hispassing so I suppose that was a realgame-changing moment when he died whichwas just absolutely beautiful andthere's no other word to describe itwhich is I suppose why my story's a bitdifferent because I think probably mostpeople are going to be expecting me tosay and then it was himyes and then it was all for and I lovethis season of grief and and it has beenand it was all of those things but itwas equally really beautiful because oftheir the way in which George died andwhat happened to all of this at themoment of his death which I'm sort ofreally excited to talk some more withyou about say and just stunned that lastbit and which we will touch on just in afew moments time I can tell that youwere going to have that response justfrom the way you were explaining yourjourney and everything that you've beenthrough so but when I think of concernwhat it's done to my family it becomes amore of an emotional thing and it'squite like even when you talk about itlike demeanor and everything changeswhen you say you can see that you'veactually found the silver lining in thisin this journey that you've had to takeand I just find that incredible so I'mlooking forward to hearing just a bitmore about that have balls and knowabout how it was one not only incrediblyhard but also incredibly beautiful Imean I'm taking notes here because Idon't want to miss anything and I'm surelisteners I probably think ask her thisask her this because it's so fascinatingbecause what you've literally describedis a fairy tale story and it's kind of astory that I suppose when we grow upthere's there's a thing and I was I wasdoing a speech recently and I was sayinghow you know how we go to school andyeah you get your results and then yougo to secondary school then you have theI love is then you go to university thenyou get married and you have kids andthen you retire at 65 it's almost likesomewhere in a in our subconscious Isuppose we reprogram to believe we'rejust going to lift or 65 wheneverything's just gonna fall in placeand then what happens it comes in boomit hits you how is he so hard yeahthat's why people struggle and I justthink yeah it's a I'm grateful thatyou're sharing this story because itwould just wake people up yeah I'm veryfortunate that nothing like that hashappened to my wife or myself at thismoment but I do try and live as if thatcould happen tomorrow oh yeah it wouldthat the nightmares that couldpotentially happen so oh you mentionedthat you've been travelling for a yearas well not obviously generate so wheredid you travel so I didn't travel so Ilived I mean sorry you lived you liveyeah yeah yeah and I said friendshipUniversity and I lived in fret in FranceI actually lived I need to be honest I'dlove to go back now as a 35 year old anddo I did then I lived in the noirWeinbergwhich at the time as a 19 year old hebasically like drinking wkt blue it wascompletely lost of me as like a kind ofcultural experience but it was part itwas part of my my studies in terms ofwhat I had to do to kind of learn thelanguage but yeah that was that wasinteresting and it's been reallyfascinating actually as I've taken sometime particularly this last year becauseI've been taking some time out of workto actually I'm writing a novel actuallyso I'm writing the story of what whathappened to is in that in detail becauseI'm really mindful that to try and relayit in you know an hour even in two hoursit doesn't do it justice which is whyI'm writing the story of exactly youknow all of the twists and turns and thebeauty of what unfolded but essentiallyyou know I've really realized that thatexperience that I had in France wasreally formative and actually wasequipping me with skills that I wouldneed kind of in the moment of George'sdeath and it was also interesting inthat some of the corporate experiencesthat I'd had as well so often you knowpeople always saying it's very clicheisn't it you know when you're having adifficult time people often say stuff toyou like you know this all happens for areason or you know it's in difficultywhere you learn and you know what Ihugely believe in both of those pointsbut actually when you're in thathardship and you're in that season ofstruggle and people say that to you ifI'm being brutally honest sometimes itfeels like a slap in the face becauseyou just you just feel kind of like wellyou don't know what is to be in thesituation I'm in and how do you knowthat I've been positioned for such atime as this but I think you have to Ithink you have to come to thatconclusion yourself I don't think otherpeople can kind of impart that wisdominto you and it's taken me to livethrough the experience of my husband'scancer and his death to wake up to lifedoes that make senseand I now look at all of theseexperiences that I've had the good andthe bad and go wow like I was being liketrained I was being because I waspositioned into that set ofcircumstances the reason why thathappened was to serve me later and whenyou start to reflect that in that wayyou often see that you've done that youdid do some really great learning in meseasons of struggle and they and theyhave served to make you a more full kindof person that can then cope and be moreresilient in times that will be eventougher may be that you face in thefuture say yeah this interesting I justlove that I just love your perspectiveon things and I think because I believeeveryone gets these potential lessonsand I call it potential lessons becauseyeah it's what they take from it reallyand yes that you mentioned resilience aswell and yeah I I've hadI mean I'm day two you know and I feellike I've had some ups and downs as wellin my life which I'm sure every singleperson has yeah the grass is nevergreener on the other side yeahabsolutely yeah I mean that's one of thereasons for this podcast but I'mgrateful now especially in hindsight ofall the adversity and everything thatI've been through because now whensomething trivial happens say forinstance in my day job or you got a flattire or something that would normally Isuppose dress me out five six years agoyeah yeah it just doesn't faze mebecause in the grand scheme of things doyou know what I mean you you snotabsolutely 100% yeah I'm interested inthis novel Azure which i think is gonnabe fantastic because like you said wecan't touch on everything within thisshort amount of time but I think justfrom listening to the opening 15-20minutes people are going to be veryinterested in hearing more about thismyself included and I think you're notalone in what you've experienced but I'msure that you're very unique in terms ofhow you've change your perspective and Ithink if you can hopefully help otherpeople who have maybe been through asimilar situation to maybe look at it inthe way that you said so I want to goback to that bit where you mentioned howincredibly hard it was oh but then alsoincredibly beautiful if you yeah yeah solet's talk about the hardship and thestruggle first I think you have you seethat fully fully understand that thenunderstand the beauty if that makessense you have to source it in thedarkness to feel to feel the light whichsounds quite cheesy but I think it's youknow that's kind of essentially the theheart of this story and you know thatmoment that if we go back to the momentthat I described to you earlier when youknow George was diagnosed with cancer itwas hideousand I often say to people actually thatis when my life changed and that is whenI started to grievebecause that was the moment that ourlives changed forever at that point wewere obviously still hoping there Georgewas gonna live to tell the talebut even if he had lived to tell thetale he would have been living to tellthe tale with the with the scar ofcancer and I think this is the part ofcancer that is so widely misunderstoodpeople want to treat it like a diseasethere is a heart problem or anorthopedic problem which is you know yougo to the hospital you have somemedicine and you get better and yourlife's all okay again and actually thereality of cancer at any stage that youget it is that it alters the check thatyour mindset and the course of your lifeforever because it fundamentally makesyou realize your own mortality in a waythat you've never had to realize itbefore and it also therefore because ofthat makes you live your life verydifferently it makes you live your lifein fear it also makes you live your lifewith joy because you appreciate and havesuch a broader perspective for theamazing and wonderful variety of whatyou see in everyday life because it isyou know that is where you live and inin the everyday not in the holiday thatyou've got planning for six months timeor the night out that you're reallylooking forward to a couple of weeks andand cancer really has a way of sort ofshifting your perspective and I think Ithink this shift of perspective isuniversal but obviously I think from myown experience is not fertile for anyoneelse he's impacted by this disease butwhat's interesting is you know once youkind of take some time to let the newssettle which you have to do and you getnews that big you know I remember forGeorge and I we had the classicfight-or-flight response and we actuallychose flight so we ran away essentiallyto the yorkshire dales which was whereGeorge's mother lived and basicallyspent sort of two or three days almostin hiding trying to figure out what wewere gonna do so yeah we we ran away tothe oxidase and there we sort of liketried to look at the situationpragmatically so both of this had sortof a spaceman entrained in the corporateworld because of the circumstances inwhich wewhich was on this kind of managementtraining scheme unit we'd both beenthrough quite vigorous corporatetraining so we've done all of the youknow separate the people from theproblem how do you make a decision allof that kind of stuff and actually wekind of said you know what we've got tokind of implement some of these skillsthat we've been taught in terms offacing this this beast that is cancerand that and that's kind of what wechose to do so when we actually sort ofapproached it as if it was almost acorporate problem and and I and I feellike I'm I'm I'm even laughing as I saythis because it because essentially thisis what we had to do we had to look atit as not a black dark disease that wasgonna claim our life we had to look atit as a unwanted guest that maybe movedinto our house which is how it fell andthen it was kind of like what what we'regonna do in this and once a guesthow are we gonna how are we gonna makeyou feel part of the family and then wedon't really want them to be here butaccept the fact that they are gonnaprobably eat our table now for theforeseeable future and we can't makethem leave they're only gonna go whenthey want to you know so we we looked atyou know what we could do and one of thefirst things actually that we did wasand it was George's this is alldifferent by George not by me was hesort of said well I'm not having cancerand I remember saying to him what areyou talking about you know you've gotcancer like we can't we can't get rid ofit just like that and say no what I meanis I'm not I'm not calling it cancer I'mnot I'm not going to be named as havingcancer because there's a lot in the nameI mean there's even a you know there'sthe beautiful Shakespeare quote of youknow if Rose has anything else you knowI can't I can't remember it and thebaton but it's about you know if it wascaught if it was still called over butit was cannot call the rose but it stillsmells so sweet and that same that samethinking and that same mindset is sotrue cancer because the problem is isyou say cancer to people and peoplethink death because people are so scaredof death and actually the reality thesedays is one and two people will getcancer and also lots of people havecancer and go on to live reallybeautiful long lives also have cancerand live really successfully with cancerfor a good number of yearsbut we all have this fear you know it'sessentially the Millennial tuberculosisthat you get cancer and it's literallylike then the Grim Reaper is their dooryeah so George George said to me fromthe from the outset I don't want cancerI'm not gonna have cancer I'm gonna havea project name so we we we were sort oflike I was like okay so it was it waslike a awesome cheesy episode of TheApprentice we were driving north and hewe were there thinking of names andevery name I came up with which I can'tremember any of the names I actuallycame up with he he was beating ofdallying no that's awful that's that'shorrendous I kind of thought I can'thave this then he said out of nowhereInvictus what about Invictus andhonestly when he said that name it wasliterally like a thunderclap in the carit was amazing like it shot wavesthrough my heart and I was like that'samazing I was like why do we both knowthis name a week googled it and we'relike oh it's an aftershave and then wewould you know laughing joking whichagain is another you know like that is areal great way of building resilience soit sounds so awful and crude to say butto try and find the fun and the smilesand the everyday humor in amongst youknow this car crash that is your life isso important because you're stillyourself when you still find the samethings funny and you like eating thesame sweets and the same places eventhough you've got cancerI remember we're in fits of laughter bekind of like you know why on earth haveyou chosen an aftershave advert this isjust really cheesy but then when we wentfurther into it we found out thatactually the original naming conventionsare coming from this amazing poet and byErnest Hemingway which actually I nowhaving a frame on my wall at home andthe line the closeout line of the poemis this really sort of like thunderousclothes which basically says I'm thecaptain of my fate and I am the masterof my soul and those words we were justlike they were literally like boom toour hearts we were like yes okay this isit now we we are not having cancer sowe're having sort of project and victorsand that was the start of is Isuppose time to refrain what washappening to is but that also didn'tmean that what was happening to uswasn't horrible you know like there'slots of cancer there is hideous there isabsolute sleep deprivation becauseyou're so anxious about everything thatyou you go to bed and you can't sleepand you're wide awake you wide awakethere's there's an easier because ofthat because you're so exhausted you'reand you're trying to keep the show onthe roadyou can't remember sometimes the mostsimplest of things there's the the hugeimpact that it has on your daily life Imean essentially I was still onmaternity leave you know we had an eightmonth old baby so I was supposed to bethe one that was being looked afterbecause I was up at night you know stillwith a baby that didn't really know youknow day from night if I'm beingbrutally honest yeah and you know then Ihad to switch roles into this personthat wasn't just caring for atwo-year-old and a eight month old itwas also caring for a guy he was theretwo three who had cancer which for himwas just as difficult as it was for mebecause he was the the dad he was thefather figure of the family he wanted tobe able to provide and support his wifeat his children and the reality of thecancer treatment that he had was there Imean he had really really top-drawerchemo which was like I remember themsaying the hospital is it's pretty muchlike we're putting bleach in your veinsand he had it every 11 days so he didn'thave much downtime between treatment youknow he'd go on it he'd go on his go andhave his infusion and actually he thenhad to come home with a with a bottleattached to him which is a type ofchemotherapy that lots of bowel cancerpatients if anyone who's had bowelcancer is listening will be familiarwith and you then basically take thepump it's called a pump home with youfor three days so that was you know thatwas a man mindful in itself because wehad to explain to our kids what wasgoing on that they couldn't jump ondaddy and it wasn't ever that we keptanything secret from our children butyou know our oldest child was two yearsold you know how do you explain to a 2year old dad daddy's got cancer thathe's got this medicine on him I meanactually and that is what we explainedto him and we had to explain what thewords meant to him but you know theydon'tat that age they don't understand whatit means they it means nothing to themyou know for all intensive purposes forthem it was like daddy had a bottle ofCal Poly attached to him you know theydidn't get the severity of it and it wasreally tough and it brought up a lot ofstuff for me around you know what do Ido in terms of work so obviously I wasoff work on maternity leave I actuallywent back to work because I felt so muchpressure because I was thinking you knowI don't we'd have no idea how long thiscancer journeys gonna go on for and eventhough both of our employers were justthe most supportive employers B couldhave ever asked foryou always have that niggle in the backof your head that actually if this goeson for six years seven years are theystill going to be this supportive andlist understand a and I remember sayingto George you know I've got to go backto work George because we might be in aposition where we're only rely you knowwe're relying upon my salary and youknow you can't work which he neverreally wanted to face into so I wentback to work and even when I talk aboutit now I genuinely don't know how I didit I went back to work with aone-year-old just three year old and ahusband with cancer and was kind ofdoing my job as well as commuting toLondon and you know running a house youknow it was absolutely exhausting andexhausting in a way that makes your souleight you know it wasn't just it wasn'tjust sort of tired of the way thatpeople say I'm tired you know it wasexhausting and it was the relentlesssort of tsunami of it all because theway that cancer works is you kind of itis it's a long boil disease you know itisn't a disease there you know it goesit doesn't go away like an orthopaedicyou know injury like I said previouslyand it and it's it's always theresimmering in the background and everynow and again you get these huge wavesthat crash over you and they sometimesabsolutely come out of nowhere and it'sabout then how you how you protectyourself and what you what you do - Isuppose build that resilience and that'swhat we learn in that 11 monthsessentially initially it was like wewere all at sea we have no idea what thehell we were doing and gradually as theyearwent on we built that resilience muscleand we learned the techniques aroundwhat is it that's gonna help us and weknew that there were certain things thatfor us as a family he with the thingsthat work but that took some time tofigure out it wasn't like the next dayafter George I can't sir we went yeahthis is this is what we have to do thistrick is it yeahno no so it was so hard it was so sohard so hard yeahfirstly what a wonderful person hesounds like and I just in yourrelationship the way you were justfeeding a feature then you had thiswhole story behind Invictus Sol Invictusfor me initially yeah Paco Rabanne it'sthe which is what I remembered but alsothere's a film money as well yes andit's happened to feed on conquerable soWowyeah you actually said it in this momentthat's what I was feeling and I wasgetting almost goose thinking yeahthat's it how you guys have done it andit just shows the power of like thehuman will and the importance that wordsbecause just by changing that nameyou're not you're not necessarily sayingto listeners here listen let's brushcancer under the copy and pretend it'snot here what you're saying is okay weacknowledge it's here and some dayswe're facing it but we're gonna justface it in a more positive way to helpus move forward and I think that'sreally really yeah the way you've donethat and in terms of exhausting I meanwe all sit here myself included andwe'll have a 14 hour day or a 12 hourday we've been asked to do some overtimeand we feel you know what I'm tired I'mtired and here you are with no actualchoice with your back against the walljust showing how powerful the human mindand body in sync how much we're actuallycapable of doing and that also goes sexywhen you mentioned George who did thatrunning I mean who in their right mindif you think about it from a logicalperspective things after being choppedup I'm go go go raise money wait youknow you know what there are what Iwould say is I follow some reallyinspirational people on Instagram andparticularly love the the three womenand who created the you me Big C podcastand Rachel blance or sadly passed awayin September last year and I follow Ifollow the girls actually that do thatshow on Instagram and they ones a cancersurvivor one one is living with stagefour cancerthey are always out exercising andactually what I would say is it heyfor you to realize that your body isfragile and that you have to look afterit to want to look after it sometimesand actually the irony is is that Georgeactually was a fitness fanatic evenbefore he had cancer so he was on thesepeople that would go to gym gym and Iwould always be like what are you doingbut I had to say since he has had cancerand obviously lost his life to cancerit's made me go as well you know yourbody is so precious you have to lookafter it you have to be mindful of whatyou're putting in it in the way in whichyou're using it in the way in whichyou're nurturing it because it's it'sprecious to you and it's your onlyrocket ship you're not going to getanother one so you have to look after itand I think incredibly there is thismindset amongst the cancer community ofI am gonna do the stuff that like youknow that we run a 5k or run a marathonbecause almost as well you know everyoneknows the healing benefits of fitnessit's it's proven right so there is thismindset of just you know well I am whatI want to do this mentally even morethan I've ever wanted to do it so I doyou think it's crazy but I also thinkyou know not taking anything away fromGeorge because it was incredible what hedid but I also think you'll find thatthere are lots of people who areimpacted by cancer that also have thatabsolute mindset of no I'm gonna go forit I'm gonna raise this money I'm gonnago and do this and I think you're rightand I think but this is kind of what Iwant this podcast to do is not letsomebody have to suffer with cancer seesomebody also for with cancer to reallyunderstand what they're actually capableof because we're so much we're livingjust in the comfort zone all the timeand health and fitness is one of mybiggest passions so yeah I've alwaysbeen into it but then when I went touniversity was it was more about vodkacommands and hangovers sure yeah it wasthat kind of stuff for generallyspeaking up when I was about 25 I thinkthat's when cancer came into into myfamily only affected my own cause yeahand one of the things I started doingthen was really taking my health andfitness seriously so I blogged onpersonal training since then I'vetrained over like three 400 clients andI always know my analogy is I know thecircumstances for instance similar toGeorgia where you can be healthy you canbe doingright and then it's just not meant to beI can just come for what I always tryand do is just put the odds in my favorand I always tell all my clients justput the odds in your favor you know whenyou lift some weights or you do any sortof CV exercise cardiovascular you'reyou're you're reducing the chances of ofillness and that's kind of what I do soevery single morning without fail andunless some literally on my deathbedsorry or I'm traveling I'm training andI don't have to enjoy it but for me youknow it's 4% on my day just afteryourself and you touched on somethingthere by what you put into yourself andI think it's important for the listenersjust to know it's not just physicalconsumption like food and water it'salso what you say in your monitor yeahabsolutelyso the project Invictus that kind ofstuff is it's empowering and if you canjust so I just think there's this Icould talk about what you said now foranother five hours because I'm surepeople are going to pick up on thank youthank you for sharing all of that what Ineed to move it forward just slightlyotherwise we'll have a six hour podcastbut what definitely can get you back onso nice obviously change quite quitesignificantly now yeah yeah and it'ssomething that you obviously you'renever prepared for what is a day likefor yourself now and what I want to askmore in particular is obviously life'staught you so much so quicklyalready are there certain habits ortraits that you maybe do on a dailybasis that you think people listeningcould potentially benefit from yes so Imean the part of the story that haven'tgot into and maybe isn't one for thedates move maybe at halftime is the whatactually happened when George died whichin which I suppose was the absolutebeautiful firework finale to this wholeyear so if you imagine this 11 monthswhen George had cancer was like us itwas a slowly learning how to overcomeadversity and build resilience in a waythat I'd never had see before and thenwhen we realized that you know the endwas nigh when he was told there wasnothing that they could do and he wasgoing to die but weyou know how long it was going to be andwhat that what may or may not look likeand how painful it may be and all thoseother things that was the moment whereif I'm really honest and being reallyreally vulnerableI hit absolutely rock bottom because Ikind of when I don't know what to do nowyou know like all of this other stuffthat we've taught ourselves this far interms of you know finding three thingsevery day to be thankful for doingexercise you know renaming things tomake them feel more palatable you knoweating well to make sure we're we knowwe're making our bodies feel as great aswe can sleeping where we can in amongstnear the chaos of TV and children all ofthose things that other sort of thingsif you pick up any book on on resilienceand how to and how to kind of you knowbuild and and and work that muscle theyjust didn't work and I I remember justthinking oh my gosh like what what do Ido and it was it was awful and it meantthat we were both in a reallyemotionally low state which as I'm sureagain lots of people will identify withwhen you're in that place what happensis you lash out or the people that youlove the mostso we're in this hideous set ofcircumstances which was you know we knewthat George was gonna die and we hadwhat was probably the biggest row Ithink we ever had of our whole marriageour whole relationship because I wasreally angry at him and actually youknow what I was actually angry about himwhat I thought I was angry about him wasnot what I was angry about at him at allI was actually angry at him because hewas dying and that's what I now realizewith hindsight you know I was at I wasangry about him about something thathe'd said to us mom or not said to hismom but that wasn't you know and I'vegone back and rabbit reaction man thatwasn't the reason the reason I'm socrossed with him was because I was angrythat he was leaving me that he was gonnadie that he was not going to be here tobring up my kids that I was gonna haveto do life on my own in a way that I'venever ever expected to and that night Iwent out I literally ran out of thehouse into my car it sounds Hollywooddramatic and it actually was a littlebit that way and I got in my car and Idrove it was dogevening it was raining and I didn't knowwhat to do and I just felt lost reallyreally lost and in that moment Iremember thinking in my head where am Igonna go who do what who should go andsee if it goes to my mom and dad I couldgo see like my aunty best friends who'sthe person that I need that who do Ineed and I was I was sort of trying allthese people in my head to see if theyfitted with it the way I thought in myheart and none of them felt that theyworked and actually at that point intime was seeing a psychologist and Ithought do I bring her like do I go seeher I couldn't even bring myself to gosee my psychologist he was the personthat really you know I employed to sortof be the person I could take all thesethings to so I decided it in that momentthat I needed to go to a church and thenI was kind of like right really go to achurch and if I'm honest again I thinkit was rooted in some level of utopianmemory that I've got from childhoodprobably movies like home alone whereKevin goes to church and yeah has thatlike magical moment when he's missinghis mummy you know I was right I'm gonnago to church and tried that and to go toa church on this like rainy Octoberevening at about I think it must havebeen about five o'clock everywhere I waslocked her and I was so angry oran Ican't tell you how angry I amI was literally raging so I remember Ipulled my car over on a hard shoulderand I and I said at least she got out mycar and I screamed and at this point intime I was not a person of faith sothere is a purpose behind me telling youthe story and so I pulled over my carand I literally got out of my car it wasraining I was screaming and I literallyit was like I was boxer in a ring that Iwas a mad okay and I literally screamedat the universe if you are real if youare real you have to bleep bleep bleepbleep show me there was a lot of swearwords yeah I was crying I was crying somuch you know I couldn't even reallyspeak I was coughingit was awful I got back in my car andGeorge text me two words that just saidcome home and then I just wrote backokay he wrote back I'm not planning ordying anytimeSene and i just hysterically burst intotears and went home now that that momentwas a absolute another kind oflife-altering moment but it wasn'tlife-altering in that exact moment ifthat makes sense because then whatunfolded in this or three weeksfollowing on from me going out andhaving this moment where I went for itand said to God you know you are realit's now or never because I don't knowwhere else to turn it and God had neverbeen someone a force and an energy thatI had ever looked to previously but Iwas I felt like I had nothing left in mycup I had no place else to gohe was the only viable option left forme to go to and what then happened andwhat unfolded around George's deathwhich we maybe don't have the time todiscuss today was just supernaturallyunbelievably beautiful he died the mostglorified beautiful miraculous deaththat was completely driven by sort ofthe Holy Spirit just moving in andtaking residence in his room okay peopleI'm just gonna play the out role now forthis part of the show but the nextepisode should be available straightaway on your feed whether you using iOSor Android and I hope you enjoy thisjust as much as you've enjoyed thisfirst part of this incredible story fromLouise I know the next part certainlygave me goosebumps especially when shespoke about the supernatural stuff thatshe experienced and I hope you enjoy ittoo and once again thank you for allyour support and if you do get a chanceto leave this interview at the end ofthe show I'd certainly appreciate itthank you so much and remember thispodcast is absolutely free so all we askin return is for you to share this witha friend and drop us a five star reviewover on iTunes have an awesome day See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Find your voice - Episode 16- "The Keys to Live The Life" - Jen Elyse #16Tagline: "If you're not laughing, you're not living"Jen, struggled with debilitating back pain and chronic fatigue and found no answers to conquer her condition. Having numerous consultations with doctors and specialists she was left to take control of her own life. Taking it upon herself to fix her condition she began to explore the importance of nutrition, holistic health, diet and movement and found herself regaining her health, wellness and living a life of authenticity and happiness.She is also Find Your Voice's first oversea guests and what a way to kick it off with a story of someone who makes no complaints about their life, seeks happiness in every opportunity, loves to laugh and make others laugh and continues to write her own story at her own free will.I hope you can all resonate with her story and take note of some great nutrition tips and tricks she mentions in this podcast that can help you all live a healthier, happier and higher energy lifestyle.Jen is also a holistic health counsellor, Reki master, actress, MUA, comedian and a lover of all things health and wellness and I can see this list growing! Be sure to check her out over at the show notes below:Thanks for listeningFree Audible book sign up:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Audible-Membership/dp/B00OPA2XFG?actionCode=AMN30DFT1Bk06604291990WX&tag=are86-21Best book on Mindset by Carol Dweck: Mindset https://amzn.to/2QajMvZSupport the podcast: https://www.patreon.com/findyourvoiceLinks to me:Website: https://www.arendeu.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/aren.deu/Twitter: https://twitter.com/arendeuFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/aren.singhLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aren-deu-65443a4b/Podcast: https://www.findyourvoicepodcast.com YouTube: http://tiny.cc/51lx6yLinks to guest:Website: https://www.fthelifewithjenergy.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/jenelyse/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thelifewithjenergy/Facebook: Jen Elyse FeldyHave an awesome day#JustDeuIt #FindYourVoicewelcome to an episode of find your voicea movement led by yours trulyAren do a guy who has overcomecrippling anxiety adversity anddifficulty like so many of you in lifewhose main goal now is to help youcombat your excuses take control of yourlife write your own story and mostimportantly find your voice so nowwithout further ado I welcome the hostof the show himself mr. Aren do what'sgoing on people thank you for tuning into another episode of find your voice myname is Aren and as always I am thehost of the show so we actually have ourfirst international guest on the showtoday and yes we have gone over to thestates so it's a fascinating storyactually because it's a story ofsomebody who are supposed reminds me alittle bit of myself in terms of she'sbasically writing her own story she'sdoing the things that she loves to do sowhether that's in health and fitnesswhether it's in comedy or whether it'sactually in acting as well and she'sdoing quite a few other quirky andwonderful things that we explore in thisepisode and again the purpose of thisshow and find your voice one of themeanings behind it is that we all usethat as a metaphor in terms of findingour path in life and then obviously asthe tagline States write your own storyand that's kind of what I want people todo I want people to find out who theyreally are and Jenn is certainly anexample of that so what I'm gonna do isjump straight into this episode becauseyou're gonna find it fascinating plusyou also get to hear a much betteraccent than myselfokay so firstly I just want to welcomeJen to the show and thank all thelisteners for tuning in today so how youdoing today Jen I'm pretty amazing yeahI got a wake-up call from my buddyHoward Hoffman at fresh green so he'skind of like I think he's better thanTony Robbins so everything's good oh wowwow is that a working relationship yeahyeah we do over more like friendshonestly we're probably like he's one ofthe rare companies I'd say our onlycompany's a traction buddies yeah I'm abig fan of him in the products yeah it'scool fantastic okay um so I obviouslyknow a little bit about yourself wherefriends over on Instagram that's kind ofwhere we had this conversation - perhapsrecord this episode today I think it'simportant for my listeners to obviouslyget to know you a little bit so if youwouldn't mind if you could just kind ofexplain how you progress through lifeand kind of ended up where you are todaymm-hmm okay I mines no I'm kidding okaylet me see well I do a lot of things Iwrote comedy last night for four and ahalf hours so I'm in a few differentworlds that a lot of people would thinkdon't really make sense and the but butto me if you're gonna live a full lifeyou need to be fit and healthy and youcan't have back pain I've had crazydebilitating back pain you can't be sotired you can't get out of bed and youhave to laugh and you have to feel goodand maybe you want to look good so whatI do now is I do hair and makeup that'scoolI'm most important thing is my healthguidebook I'm a whole health guide bookfor moods immunity energy and aestheticsI'm going backwards by the way becauseyou know I think people kind of need toknow where I'm at to be like oh okayand then reverse engineer yeah I like toreverse engineer things that make senseso there's a health guidebook so mousseimmunity and imaging and aestheticseverything from immune disorders toselling light in apps and fitnesstraining pretty straightforward but alot of different weird techniques andyeah the comedy writing last name shewill be very absurd so yeah comedy andhealth and beauty and fitness and actingand modeling and some movies are comingout so that's pretty much where I'm atnow unique and how did I get here umI've always been in fitness my wholelife my grandparents were likePrevention magazine before Preventionmagazine ever came out I was at theirdinner table saying what's the proteinso yeah that was always there and thenas far as being so passionate to helppeopleI had debilitating back pain from2010-2013 where I really couldn't take anine-to-five job because I didn't knowif I'd be able to walk so when you havesituations like that and chronic fatigueyou you know once you get over and youlearn what causes it and how to preventit and how to fix it for me at least Iwant to I don't want anyone to go intothat situation so I'm very passionateabout sharing that message so I'd saythat kind of sums it up you know mypassion says yeah yeah okay that'sfantastic so there's a couple of thingsI want to touch on there so you remindme a little bit of myself and this wasone of the reasons that I I reached outto you in relation to this episodebecause similar to myself I'm doing somany random things as well so I'm aproperty investor I'm a podcaster I'vegot a separate business doing personaltraining then I've got this socialaspect to my life so I'm kind of doingsimilar to yourself just kind ofenjoying myself through life and kind ofpicking and choosing whatever I feellike doing basically so that's alwaysinteresting and also you just touched onyou this back pain that you've had andobviously that going through thatsituation is obviously giving you a kindof purpose or suppose in terms of makingsure nobody else kind of feels that wayso if we could just touch on that alittle bit you mentioned was it 2011 yousaid that like I mean I've had fatiguesince like middle school high school andjust not being literally like cominghome from Middle School in high schooljust having to take naps and I had tobasically go from being an honor societyand in 12th grade just barely going toschool so I wouldn't want anyone to gothrough that and I've had a lot offatigue and then the back pain was late2010 to 2013 and that was pretty bad tooand I'm just looking at obviously yourInstagram profile now where you're ingreat shape you're doing all thisfitness stuff have you found theunderlying cause for that was it somesort of information was it anemic orwhat was it yeah that's a good questionum my friend who just caught it wouldyou sell the back pay and I said nobecause it took a million years I'mdealing with quote if you saw me I'd bequitting quotes up quote good doctorsand you're the best of the best and goodareas but they weren't helping me soI've been failed by so many doctors andexperts in the fitness field the healthfield nutrition field the back painfield energy field that I really had tojust take bits and pieces from you knoweither things that I'm pulling from thecollective consciousness or downloadingif you're into the spiritual realm andtake you face from books and reallypiecing together my own plans so whatcaused it is what I found basically youtake a piece of paper and you divideinto two sidethe left side look at the left side isthings that cause back pain or causefatigue and then the right sinus thingsthat prevent it in alleviate I found allthese different things that can causeand prevent it and that I know how tofix it so Wowyeah it's I will say that and when Ifound the clients because I fixed backpain would be fear alcohol crappy dietscan I say shitty like there's somethingyou can say what you okaybut I curse on you yep yeah are you sureyeah yeah all I do is when the episodecomes out I just label it as explicit soit's not a problemOh perfect let's do it explicit that Idon't eat character it's really stiflingalright cool so like shitty foods shouldshe know a crappy processed food likepizza stuff like that causes informationfear over here yeah if you're notstretching doing tightening contractingworkouts without stretching so likethere's a whole bunch of things butthose are some main onesoh wow that's interesting so you alsomentioned they're you honest likeclients know who you're working with arethey able to access your services viaInstagram have you got anything for usUK people over here because obviouslyyou across the shores over is it in NewYork yeah so with Fitness I've done I'vedone a few video trainings but I reallyI really do think if you're gonna dotraining you should have someone thatcan physically touch you move you aroundbut I've had some clients request it soI'm like alright whatever but um as faras nutrition and that corresponds to theback pain I do think you have to havethat nutrition because that's the fearit's the lifestyle it's relationshipsthat's to me that's one affect your soacid it's gonna affect your lower backin my whole sacral area so yeah I do mymy health guide book that I do via videoso and then I send a copy of the book soI'd have to literally just send it Idon't do it through an e-book I actuallygive hardcopy books to everybodyexcellent and the final thing I want totouch on was a you mentioned comedy andI've watched some of your videos onInstagram as well so again it's justanother another unique thing aboutyourself what got you into comedy I justmight be a my parents are really reallyfunny so I'm just that's just the way Igo through life aside aside fromlast four months I dated someone whoproduces literally produces like dramaall the stuff he does is like drama andhe pretty was found on my life so I waslike oh let's let's try this but no I Ilike I like living in a comedy life Ilike to wake up with jokes in my headit's just it's just a nice way to gothrough life it's a good high vibrationif you give you're into thatabsolutely yeah so are you doing at yourstand-ups then in terms of what weed Isay from the UK we look on junglers orsome sort of comedy show you say okaywell a sketch sketch I do have astand-up written but I like I likesketches I like to do charactersso that's what we did last night we'regonna be doing I can't really tell youbecause I'll ruin it but we're gonna dosome we'll probably some live events butwe'll do a Facebook live and it's gonnabe all these different charactersthere's going to be a lot of Facebooklives going down like in characters andpranks fantastic well I'll make sure Ido is at the end of the show get yourdetails obviously we can put that forthe listeners and then obviously theycan smile and what's just there's morevideos yeah only two people laughingthose two people had a kind of smile ontheir face absolutely absolutely I agreeokay so I'm a big big believer that weare a result of the thoughts we tellourselves and the habits that we kind ofput ourselves through on a daily basismyself in particular I have a specificmorning routine similar to yourself isit's mainly around like healthwell-being my mindset and everythingwhat kind of routine do you have on adaily basis or is it kind of ad hoc andyou just kind of firefighting your waythrough life because you do do a lot ofthings yeah kind of switches so let'ssay like next week weekend there'ssomeone from an over show that's gonnawe're gonna have to talk about thesketch comedy show so that's gonna bepart of me that next one today totoday's you and today I'm gonna bewriting Facebook ads and I'm also goingto be meeting with the nutrition clientso today is one day I let myself wake uplate and I have wheatgrass and sprout soI take wheatgrass I get deliveries fromyou can get that by the way they deliverI've actually had it before and itdoesn't taste too great but I did haveit for aboutgreat this one's actually better becausethe ones I would get in the store Iactually almost threw upthe last ones I had it so this one'sokay and then the sprout cubes like itsprouts loose too I make them into cubeso I'm drinking sprout cubes andwheatgrass cubes and fresh greens I havemy greens and the reason I do that isone your alkaline there's so manybenefits to that there's so manynutrients but also it potentiates itreally has a synergistic reaction and itbasically just makes your stimulantsmore stimulating so I have coffee hereright now - and you're you're gonna feelthe effects of coffee more if you havegreens so that's that's pretty much howI start the mornings as far as drinks goin lemon water or ginger water inturmeric water and then on Tuesdays I doa lot of cocaine and then I have hookerswaking up so that's what use knees go yaknow a bit of abundance then yeah Idon't pay for it no I tell super byright movement you know get the looks goand get the blood flowing get a littledetox fasted cardio I try to do fastercardio so if I can't get to the gym Iwalk around my house in circles and I dowhatever I gotta do so that's kind ofwhat I did right before talking to youso that's today Vernon excellent I'veactually just done my cardio just beforespeaking to yourself as well because Ifind it kind of clears my mind and itjust makes me a little bit more creativeI suppose I'm jealouswhat's your momma with you my morningroutine I wake up in the morning and thefirst thing I do is like a gratitudejournal and I'd have my day planned outfrom the night before so I write mygratitude journal and I do this reallyweird thing so how a lot of people kindof inspire themselves and want ovatethemselves with their dreams and allthis exciting stuff I kind of think oflike the most morbid nightmare thatcould possibly think of I need somethingBad's gonna happen potentially to myselfor my family and what that kind of doesis it kind of fires me up and gets meout of bed to really kind of seize theday and not my - excuses yeah yeah Iknow it sounds morbid but it's actuallyquite motivational any no yeah I justI use all my adversity and stuff likethrough life just to kind of channelthat into your positive then the firstthing I do is go to the gym I try andtrain fasted similar to what you weresaying earlier and then I'll come backand I'll have breakfast withthe wife and then I'll crack on with mywork depending on what I'm doing in theday and when I kind of hit a slump whichis normally like after lunchtime that'swhere I just do a bit of cardio becauseit lifts me back up and then I'm then II just kind of again I do look at mygoals I write my gratitude again likesecond time in the day and I kind ofwrite like my five wins for the daybecause I think sometimes we're so busyand especially on social media whenyou're comparing yourselves with otherpeople instead we forget the progressthat we've made in life as well so Ikind of use that to just reflect andit's me just being more mindful of thethings I'm doing I suppose because Ithink there was a big period in my lifewhere I was just on autopilot if thatkind of makes sense but I do try andincorporate a lot of health foods sostuff like chaga mushroom lion's manecoffee that kind of like organic stuffbecause I listen to the model house showby Sean Stephenson and I do try and takea lot of oh my god he's amazing yeah Ilisten to all these stuff and anyanything he kind of recommends is whereI'll kind of go obviously in the UK it'sdifficult to kind of get the stuff thatyou guys have got over there so when Iwent to New York recently I broughtmyself some of that coffee obviously weget wheatgrass and karela and spirulinaand all those kind of good things hereso do you try and put as many goodthings into my body but I suffered a lotwith binge eating too many just about meI kind of find that I have to for if Ifancy a biscuit or a chocolate I have tohave that then because otherwise I'llsuppress my feelings for seven days andthen I'll eat like 300 of them if thatmakes right no it's holding if you havemy family is like eating themselves todeath so it's definitely I get it it's ahorrible condition isn't it because italmost becomes a vicious cycle becauseespecially I mean I'm not sure when youhad it but when I did it what I would dois I will train three times a day forthe next four days almost like torturingmyself and then yeah it's horrible thenyou keep then you get to a point whereyou're absolutely starving and then youend up gorging againi in 10,000 caloriesand you're thinking this can't be rightso for me it's kind of being practicalthinking what's sustainable and so I tryand get all the best foods I can in themowning hard right train everything andthen if I fancy a treat like just beforeour bun on the show with you I had acouple of biscuits and I'm good I'mhappy so yeah right right but on thebinge eating um it is an addictionactually I'm going to become a certifiedpeer recovery coach there's a trainingfor that I'm going to apply that with myhealth counseling because I don't have Ido I did take some classes in addictionbut I want to take more and more formalclasses because what I'm finding is thatlike my last client doesn't her name isnot listed so it's totally confidentialso confidential clients to the pointwhere people don't even know I donutrition but um a lot a lot of peoplewho have the binge eatingyou know it's comorbid they're also hadmaybe had a history of sex addiction oralcohol or opiates it usually runs handsin hands attempt it tends to at leastthat's what I see and these people ifyou can apply even if they don't havethe substance addictions I'm applyingthe principles of addiction for manydifferent belief systems really helps itreally helps easing you know that'sfascinating so you till you're in theprocess of becoming that coach now yeahI'm going to I'm going to hopefullyhopefully it starts next week yeah didlike you haven't got enough things to bedoing right I know well you know is Idon't have kidsand I don't have a husband so that freesup a lot of space where I can do a lotof things a lot of people say you haveto pick one I said well if you don'tkids and you don't go to breakfast lunchand dinner and you still have hangoversanymore you can kind of do a lot ofstuff yeah good pointjust I'm going off on a little tangenthere you mentioned at the beginning ofthe show I think it was fresh coal andyou've mentioned all this nutritioustypes of food that you're taking whatkind of brands do you recommend I'm justthinking for the listeners who maybewant to just make it a take on a bit ofadvice and try something sure sure okaylong list I bounced around because thisis a thing even even if you know themanufacturer and make highly researchthings there might be substances in thefoods that they don't know about youknow it's just like with the world howit is in the polluted waters so I liketo diversify a lot so withI'll do fresh cooking's I would do freshgreens for since 2010 and that I met theowner and it was like I was alreadytaking this stuff for eight years Ifound that on a podcast while in myshower and then we became friends sofresh greens for sure also on PuriImperium is a network marketing companyI don't sell it but I am a fan of theirgreen vibrance green affair um so I likeI really think it's good to bouncearound I do like the periodit's a beat what is it it is apre-workout and it's called can't beatthis before pre-workout pretty amazingso they vasodilator of beet powder lovethat beet powder as far as supplementit's not really a supplement you buy butyou can do this yourself so I highlyrecommend this you can do all this withlemons turmeric ginger and sprout theydo is all for you just take sproutslemon turmeric ginger putting a blackthey're all separate so the lemons arejust with water in a blender and thenblunt it turns into a pulp and then youtake the pulp and you put it into an icecube tray or many ice cube trays andthen you freeze it it becomes ice cubesand then you take those ice cubes put itin a bag so every time you have wateryou can just take an ice cube and put itin your water it's already prepared nomess grilled yeah so that's the turmericand the ginger a big one and those arenatural it's not a company see I think alot a lot of these brands we don'treally get them in the UK which is why Iwas quite envious because I listen toSean Stephenson quite regularly and he'ssaying and talking about organifi andall these crazy supplements that justsound like they're amazing but thenobviously you go to the UK shoppingcentres and it's pretty much basic stuffyeah so yeah yeah it's very difficultand I think they've started to do likeorganic ranges now where you've got ourwhole foods and stuff but everything'sso overpriced I'm just thinking for theregular family well maybe maybe stufflike you've just mentioned like gingertumericlemons which is relatively cheap foodthat you can almost make some sort ofconcoction yourself yeah just blend ityou can do it fresh but it makes a messit takes time and if you're really busyjust to go in your freezer and take theice cube and pop it in water it's soeasy yeah I'm not gonna grind soureveryoneis that yeah of course okay fantastic sowe've spoken a little bit about yourlife now obviously you're doing all thisweird and wonderful things I want to askyou something a little bit suppose alittle bit personal and it might againgo back to that situation about yourback or it could be something completelydifferent I want to speak aboutadversity and the reason I want to speakabout adversity is because I'm alwayskeen to see how people overcome theiradversity because I believe we're almostfaced with the choice when we go throughsomething difficult we either give up orwe continue moving forward and the wholeemphasis behind this show is to showthat the show must still go on so if Icould kind of ask you to maybe talkabout a time that you've been throughsome level of adversity and how youpersevered through it and moreimportantly what you learned from itright right okay so I kind of had that afew weeks ago breakups breakups willkind of do that to you but I'm gonna goup to the back pain I think that's thebest because that was a transformationaltime my life I really changed so the2010 Thanksgiving ish was the back painstarted setting in and when I say backpain it's it's not just all my backhurts there's a shooting pain that feelslike there's a needle being stabbed inyour back and it goes down to your feetwrong so that happens to 50% of the timefrom 2010 to 2013 in August and one dayI knew it was gone when I picked up myjuicer with one hand and I didn't feelback pain I was like oh my god I canpick a juicer up with one hand and Idon't feel back then and I started whatlike jogging through me oh my god I cantog and I was a trainer I remember I wasa trainer teaching workout classes andthat's when the back pain hit so that'spretty scary when your full time job isof cool teaching workout classes and youcan't walk across the room and Iwouldn't even drink water some daysbecause I couldn't get up to look acrossthe room to go to the bathroom that'show bad it was so so um yeah it took along time you know 2010-2013 is a longtime but there's a lot of things thathappened I went to a handful ofdifferent doctors that failed me and youknow that motivates me to help peopleand put together a cohesive plan thatworks that's why I'm passionate aboutsharing myself because nobody not onepersonwe'll help me unfortunately um switchedmy friends around that was reallyimportant I I wasn't um I wasn't analcoholic or anything but the lifestylein DC was you know it was very normallike once a week so if you're if youhave a lot of friends and I had a fewpeople even call me a socialite which isbizarre but okay so I guess I was prettysocial and teach you workout classes andthose two things don't mix don't ever ifthere's any yeahdon't try to drink tequila at a poolparty and smoke pot and then teach atwork you know until God knows when andgo to the MTV real world house and thentry to teach a workout class at 6:30 inthe morning after teaching it quite a5-man you're gonna die like something'sgonna happen to you that's what happenedI drove myself into the ground so yeahso uh you know that the drinking Ialmost completely quit I realize it'sjust a poison for me it doesn't work myhalf my family just can't drink alcohollike our body is just like my functionso yeah it's so the alcohol is reallysmall the whole diet change the friendsthat want to go out and drink and wearhigh heels because I I can't really dothat with my with my back high heels arefour sheets in the bedroom you knowgoing out at night on Fridays andSaturdays and living a normal life no soI don't I have my fun in much differentways now and those type of friends Ihave or people want to create with meyou want to write comedy and sketchesand you know just do fun cool stuff likethis you can be healthy and you can bekind of bad person you can curse and youcan do all kinds of fun stuff you don'thave to live a boring life to be healthyyou really don'tyeah I think that's a great point and Ithink it's probably something that a lotof people go through is especiallymyself so when I first got into fitnessit was very difficult because similar toyourself I was very sociable and I wasalways going out for drinks on a FridaySaturday and it's kind of like an Indianculture here where you just kind of justgo to the pub on a Friday Saturday andget absolutely wasted and then hungoverthe next day you're eating kebabs andfast food and then back on it again andinitially when I started especially myentrepreneurial journey because it'scompletely different to a nine-to-fivein terms of you're working more hours sothat lag and that hangover especiallywhile trying to keep in shape as wellwas so diffwhen you have in these two or three daysI just continuously going over and thenI almost had to kind of pull myself backas well from that social circle andinitially it was difficult because Istill found myself coming back but thenlike you said I've now got people in mycircle who we can just grab for a meal anice healthy meal and stuff like sleepand stuff I really especially again Imentioned him again Shaun's demon said Iprioritize my sleep just as much aseverything else that my hearth um andnutrition so I make sure I'm in bed by acertain time in order to carry on withthe day and like you said do all the funstuff because life for me right now Iprobably don't drink how I used to drinkbut I'm having just as much fun so it'syeah it's about reevaluating I supposeas you go through life priorities changeyeah I mean I gotta say that I meantoday has kind of just started for me Iwoke up late but today is I say one ofthe best days of my life and necessaryghosts are the most fun days and thereis no alcohol and there is not stayingup too late but um you know at first Ithink it first released for me it was alittle devastating because all myfriends not all of them but the friendsI used to party with for life it lookedlike Maxim models they're gorgeous girlsand they were these heels and they couldliterally be on a magazine and we go outat night and 8iv many sneakers I don'tcare I had to but it's like you can't Iliterally couldn't do the things that myfriends wanted me to do like couldn'twalk and I couldn't be athlete that allthe behaviors of the Fiat Li wearinghigh heels you can't help normally allruin my back so I had to kind of justdisappear yeah of course for your ownwell-being I supposeyeah and it's better it's just muchbetter I mean there's a whole bunch ofpeople that are doing I'm actually gonnamake a list and I can share with you Imake a list of all these things you cando instead of going out to dinnerbreakfast lunch and drinks and there'sso much actually that would be fantasticif you have got something like that whatcan actually put it in the show notes aswell yes so then people that wouldobviously give the list of some value aswell thank you I appreciate thatwell there'll be a valuable list becausea lot of people don't know what to dowhen people ask them to do these thingsand then they do it and they feel likeshit and then they're like well thislife is slice Lots it's like they'lljust create anyway yeah absolutely Ithink that's a great point that isbecause I suppose one of my excusesactually at that time was are there'snothing else to do you know it's aFriday there's nothingto really do but I think that list willcertainly help people thank you for thatyeah yeah I'm gonna do that and have the77 they're just absolutely sublimebrilliant fantastic okay so my nextquestion it's about fear so you're avery very happy bubbly person who lovesthe laugh but what kind of scares you isthere anything that scares you in termsof everything everything Wow okay byethat person like hey I think you mightsee my Instagram because you can seewatches your stories but I recentlybecame with on a comical level I'mobsessed with and then on a comicallevel I'm into it like 80% but on a 20%level I'm really into it because Ibelieve in it the show doomsday preppersso like home invasions and security andlooting and the government going orwhatever in the water levels rising likethese are some things that go through myhead all the time right okayyou know in a healthy way because I didin our environmental event a couplemonths ago and there are there is allthis research that shows that in LongIsland there's going to be I think it'sa hundred thousand people that will haveto relocate because there's they'regoing to have flooding in their homeslike there are real things going on sothings like that worry me and thenhomelessness has always been on my mindI've never gotten close to it but Ithink about it all the time which isweird I don't think it's weird I justthink I think it's different I think thefact that you're thinking aboutsomething like that maybe with likeempathy or something is it shows youryour nature in terms of I assume whenyou think about it obviously upsets youand you think that's not right I'm justtrying to figure out why something soexternal that's in terms ofprobabilities probably not going toaffect you while you're letting thatkind of consuming because it is anexternal factorI suppose consume me but it's somethingthat like it's just something that youknow I'm not driven by fear but it'sdefinitely something I think of like forexample I used to give my dad a lot ofshit and you would always have two carsand what are you gonna do you're gonnayou're gonna ghost ride the whip you'regonna have one foot on one car one onthe other and sometimes you talk aboutsaving money and I'd be like what areyou doing just get rid of one car so Iso by psychic and this is really bizarrebut she's looking good you're gonna bereally successful and all this stuff andblah blah blah you know by the timeyou're 40 and you're not gonna have towatch your money but you're gonna bevery preneur yes because and you'regonna save money you're not gonna wastemoney I was like yeah because I alwaysthink you know what if it's that $70001000 dollar purchase and that's why I'mhomelessyeah right okay yeah absolutely that'sit that's a different way of thinkingI've never really thought like thatyeah weird no no it's not weird at allit's just it's uniqueso clairvoyance I just want to touch onthat as I see do you believe inclairvoyance oh yeah I do I do I don'tthink that I definitely think there wasa lot of BS out there and we're more BSand there is truthfulness but I'll giveyou let's see I'll give you this examplemy first my first situation someone cameto my house in my apartment in collegeright after college and we had gone tothe University of Maryland and partyingour freshman year with like older peopleand it was crazy and she goes she goesshe walks in and I'm smoking a hookahand my diagram my living room table andI'm not really paying attention she goesJaden do you remember my friend Hollyand I just look up and I go he died likethat was my reflex reaction I didn'tfollow him on Facebook I don't have anyfriends in common we're at the sameuniversity and she just is like what thehell he died I just knew so I've had alot of situations like that where I justknow things it comes out of my mouth sosomething's going on yeah yeahI don't I don't want to scare off mylisteners I know yeah but I believe init as welland actually did a course for a veryshort amount of time I did it with mymom actually and just to kind ofunderstand what goes on behind thescenes of it yeah and yeah it wasinteresting not that I saw anything oranything but he kind of explained howpsychics say what they say ie they getimages and stuff and then it's kind oflike about interpretation how youinterpret what you're being told andactually there was a lady close to meand I actually I've probably been toabout ten times in my life and some ofthe stuff she's told me stuff that youcan't guess you know it's not stuff likeoh you're gonna have someone die of aheartor something very generic it's it'salmost like your great granddad diedbecause he had an infection in his lefttoe and that killed him and then I'vegone home and I've asked my dad and I'mlike wow how is that just happened soyeah it is some freaky stuff that youkind of think why there is something outthere but like you said there's probablya lot more fake people out there whichwas I suppose suppose the narrativereally but yet I got stories on storiesfrom the same psychic who didn't know mydad at the time and he didn't know hiscurrent girlfriend of like 10 or 12years they both saw the same psychic andthey described that they would meet eachother at the brick wall behind them andthe whole place and how it would happenand it happened that I mean that's oneof them is crazy so yeah and I actuallyuse it with clients I actually I'vetaken a few psychic development coursesjust because I used to really benegative about it I used to kind of likebe really mean to my mom because my momused to be able to crystals and I waslike listen does it make sense you'rebeing crazythe only way to knock something is tofully immerse yourself in to learn aboutit so I was like you know what I'm somean about this stuff I'm so negativemy name's like let's just take somepsychic classes in 2014 I met some guyat a grocery store and he's likeliterally throwing business cards at meso I was like alright let's try it and Iactually um i i've known with everysingle client 100% if they're a bingeeater if they're lonely there's certainthings i just know fine yeah that'sfascinating you have to keep me updatedin relation to your journey because whoknows how much they'll take you somemore courses as well myself i think youknow it's just good to know like ifyou're in real estate or if you're inthe entertainment business like i I knowpretty much right away now like if Ishould deal with this first right notjust you know it's not even psychic youcould even just call it intuition orjust reading people really well whateveryou want to call it it's just reallynice to be able to walk into a room andwygor having to deal with all these newpeople you know as an actress and belike you know and they gonna that youknow is it should I go to this auditionare they gonna steal my organs and theyget a kidnapped into versus a realaudition and it is a real audition isthis something that I should do so yougot a feel out so much and all theseindustries in real estate - you knowthat's where's your time just playingdevil's advocate there do you not feelthose sometimes and this isthe response I get from my wife orsomebody is that when somebody tells yousomething you almost start acting moretowards that kind of path if that makessense so are times where somebody saidare you gonna purchase this or you'regonna do this and then maybesubconsciously it's gone into my headsomewhere I mean I don't try and do itknowingly but you feel that maybe thatkind of and you can't rule that outyeah I will tell you writing a book is alot of sacrifice you know it takes hoursand hours and I've been writing thissince 2010 it's a hundred thirty-fivepages but I've had at least eight if not20 different psychics who don't knoweach other all over the world tell methat I'm going to be like a globalhealer and help people la ville Bluff sowhen you have all these people tell youthings it helps because if for me towrite a book and then think you knowwhat this is a piece of garbage no one'sgonna care but when all these people whoare you know winning awards would becollecting so they're all telling meyou're gonna change the world and helpall these people it helps it helps me togo reaffirms it right yeah me too aswell how more podcast is up okay yeahwhat helped a lot of people ten thousandpeople before I die that's what Idecided oh you do more than that you dolike definitely definitelyokay so you've actually kind of answeredmy next question which was aboutmotivation and I'm assuming your biggestmotivation is probably to help otherpeopleyeah to help people to be out of painand help the people who are strugglingto get out of struggle and to helpothers who are pretty much doing well tobe more alphonse really super win that'sa major main goal of mine I love that Ilove that tough one as well on the wayyeah you you gotta have fun you gottahave the vibration for fun actuallyyou know the vibration of fun is gonnahelp you to succeed more absolutely sowhat I'm gonna do is I'm gonna put youthrough the paces now having heard thebuzzer go off so we're gonna go in threetwo onewhat did you eat for breakfast we'respells coffee gold lemon juice theability to fly or be invisible invisiblemoney your fame money your idea job whatI'm doing right nowyour proudest moment mmm writing lastnight's comedy your favorite food man noI'm just kidding I know yeah I love somany things I don't have a favorite Idon't know Netflix our YouTube mmm shootyou YouTube's getting better networksright now your number one goal this yearput out at least 20 hilarious comedyvideos and to get my book to at least atleast 30 more people minimum if not 100tea or coffee coffee your favorite sportall racket sports where it's tennisracquetball ping-pong if you could sitwith one person in the world for an hourwho would it beoh shoot god I'm my dad in second AndyMilonakisokay why is your biggest addiction foodsummer or winter summer your favoriteplace in the whole wide world my homelately would you rather speak alllanguages will be able to speak toanimals animals if you could abolish onething in the world what would it be painin every single form your favorite songever Oh Godokay we're gonna go with what I listenedto yesterday which is not the truth butit's captain and it's Ricky Ricardo andthe final question is read minds orpredict the futureFinnick the future fantastic it's weirdthat the last question was actually inrelation to the stuff we were quitetalking about that's strangeokay fantastic so we're almost at theend of the show now just got a couple ofmore questions I just want to ask you soI'm a firm believer in hindsight being awonderful thing obviously we can learn alot from our lessons we can learn waysto get to where we want to get toquicker easier or with less heartachebut I'm also a very firm believer thatthe journey that we go through teachesus a hell of a lot so knowing what youknow now if you could take yourself backto a young agent and maybe whispersomething in her ear when she was goingthrough some level of adversity even ifwe look at 2011 for example what wouldyou say don't deal with true gas pitcheryeah basically I mean that it sounds sostupid but basically in who and that'snot you know at your level or basicallyrelated to the goals at hand and purposejust don't deal with them I love that Ithink that sound advice that's pretty okfantastic so that brings us to the lastquestion and the last question I alwaysask all of my guests is if in 150 yearstime we are no longer here and all thatexists is a book and this book is aboutyouit's about Jen it's about her whole lifeeverything she's accomplished or theweird and wonderful things that she'sdone firstly what would the title ofthat book be and secondly what would theblurb at the back of it tell us aboutJen oh man well first I'll just have tointerject and say that I would hope thatmy how-to guide book would be much moreprolific and well-known than a bookabout me because that will help morepeople but um that being said to answeryour question um the title of the bookmaybe you read this fuck off or the lifewhich energy and then the eggs blurbwould probably be how to live the lifethe life of the life without pain thelife with laughter good all by havingfun in health and having that that drawthe viewer you know yeah yeah absolutelyit's a terrible summary that's not herthing don't don't destroy it I'm sure wecan obviously work on it when it comesout but yeah no that's fine absolutely Ithink I think that's it that's a goodpoint you've said it a few times in thisepisode is about the fun bit and one ofthe things I've always preached in likeespecially in health and fitness so Ialways say it takes hard work and I sayyou need to be consistent with whateveryou're doing but my other two things arealways about sustainability andenjoyment that's kind of my four pillarsthat I always kind of practice I supposeso it's just interesting obviouslysomeone else who's in the kind of healthand fitness space as well that you alsosay you know you need to be happy andyou need to enjoy it basically as wellbecause I feel like we're kind ofmissing that element in there yeah inthe health effects especially yeah Iwould like to add to it though I mean Ilive to NTC my ownfor ten years away from my mom my dadand my mom definitely has told me nohave fun but my dad more so you know Iam very critical even though I like toact goofy and be stupid you know andjust played themI am very critical I can walk into roomand I'm an artist I was art studio artminor in college I can see every singlething that I consider to be a flaw and aperson in a home and I and how to fix itthis is just how my mind works so youknow as I the reason why I'm like thisis my dad would always you knowinfluence and try to be like you gottahave fun he'll ask me you know I'm likeI did this and I got an A or you know Ihelp this client or a bubble blind yougo well did you have fun did you have afire mmm it's a brilliant question toask isn't itit's and he's one of the most importantones as well yeah it's so important soI'm glad that you know he said he wouldremind me because I can be I can getvery serious actually mm-hmmI think the whole world can't to behonest and I think I'm not sure whatit's like over in the in the States butif you if you pay a lot of attention tothe media and the the television andyour newspapers here it's very very easyto kind of become depressed and justthink bad thoughts all the time becauseit's just so much negativity being postpassed around and you're almost justhearing like bad stories all the timeyet there's so much light in the worldas well and so much wonderful thingsthat I think need to be expressed a lotmore so it's refreshing that you hadthat attitude as welland I think I think the world would justbenefit more from that so thank yousharing that I appreciate it before wego Jen I just want to give you a chancejust to obviously for the listeners letus know where we can contact you andobviously are poor or they're the finerdetails into the show notes as well yeahI don't contact me I like my piece um nono I I like peopleoh the good ones the good ones so wehave two instagrams at the life withgenerally we have at Jen Elise we havemy website which just got hacked thelife with Jenner ChiCom Facebook JenElisefeldy there's Tumblr and Twitter and theTwitter is life with Jenner G yeahthat's good and in relation to yourpublication yeah I'm gonna havebits of things on Instagram and Facebooklike if you go to my facebook profilephotos of Congress on there's a lot oflike the major productions like there'sfive movies coming up and the next fewmonths so they're gonna be like you kindof go through that you'll kind of seewhat's going on but I also do have likea resume four people are in theentertainment business on backstage command I have like a seven page whole thingwith links and YouTube so you could justbe like okay just what what's going onlike can we just have it in one sheet soit actually lists everything I'm up toand it you know goes through voiceoverand health counseling and hosting andit's totally organize and categorizefantastic okay excellent so I'll makesure I put those all in the show notesthank you for your time today and foreveryone else at home thanks forlistening thank you as us and rememberthis podcast is absolutely free so allwe ask in return is for you to sharethis with a friend and drop us a 5 starreview over on iTunes have an awesomeday See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Find your voice - Episode 15 - "My Way" - Raj Sallan #15Tagline: "The only person that should be proud of you, is yourself"Raj Sallan was the Fresh Prince, before he got shipped off to Bel-Air. His parents swiftly realised he was going to end up going down the wrong path if he stayed in Germany, he was sent to Birmingham, UK where he was forced to learn another language, way of life and develop his own mindset. Having had to learn his 3rd language, Raj utilised martial arts, kick-boxing and boxing to channel his mind and found a passion that would see him travelling the world and proving all his doubters wrong.Raj explains that your mindset starts from the moment you wake up. He strengthened his perspective and mindset to help him handle not living with his parents for the majority of his childhood, learning English and fighting professionally in combat sports. Realising that nothing is impossible Raj has overcome his own levels of depression, loneliness and now spends his hours helping world-class fighters, girls and boys of all ages in becoming fit and finding their own confidence.A genuinely loving guy, whose energy is infectious. He explains his daily rituals that have helped him earn a favourable reputation in the fight game, but also as a genuinely humble human being.A story of adversity, with no excuses and an individual who found his voice and continues to write his own story.Thanks for listeningFree Audible book sign up:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Audible-Membership/dp/B00OPA2XFG?actionCode=AMN30DFT1Bk06604291990WX&tag=are86-21Best book on Mindset by Carol Dweck: Mindset https://amzn.to/2QajMvZSupport the podcast: https://www.patreon.com/findyourvoiceLinks to me:Website: https://www.arendeu.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/aren.deu/Twitter: https://twitter.com/arendeuFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/aren.singhLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aren-deu-65443a4b/Podcast: https://www.findyourvoicepodcast.com YouTube: http://tiny.cc/51lx6yLinks to guest:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/rajesh.sallan (Personal)Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/only1rajeshsallan/Have an awesome day #JustDeuIt #FindYourVoice[Music]welcome to an episode of find your voicea movement led by yours trulyAren do a guy who has overcomecrippling anxiety adversity anddifficulty like so many of you in lifewhose main goal now is to help youcombat your excuses take control of yourlife write your own story and mostimportantly find your voice so nowwithout further ado I welcome the hostof the show himself mr. Aren do what'sgoing on people thank you for tuning into another episode of find your voice myname is Aren and as always I am thehost of the show so as you sit here nowlistening to this podcast I just want toask you a quick question now obviouslyit's rhetoricalbecause I can't hear your answer but howmany times in the last week have youthought about something negative haveyou complained when it really wasn'tthat badhave you mould about how little progressyou've made rather than actually commendyourself for how far you've came myguess is probably more than you wish toadmit and that's absolutely fine listenwe've all been there but what I findremarkable about this episode thatyou're gonna hear is I guarantee 100% ifyou listen to this all the way throughyour perception and your mindset willbenefit you will change it you willstart to feel I'll say silly for morningabout the silly things that we oftenmoan about because this individual hasnot only had to learn English as histhird languagehe was uplifted as a ten-year-old fromhis parents to live in a foreign countrywhere everything was alien to him andthe only thing he really knew how tocontrol was his mind and his hands andhis feet and with that he tells awonderful story so without further adoI'm gonna get this interview on the wayso firstly I just wanna walk on right tothe show and thank you for taking timeout of your day to come and have thisinterview myself how you doing today I'mfine right it's just doing well goodgood the UK where they're glad to hearit so I think it's important for thelisteners to understand a little bityourself now I've heard about you mywife's told me about you you know wantedyou on Instagram for some time now so ifyou could kind of give the listenersbasically a history of how you've cameabout to where you are todaywell basically am I was born in Germany1988 in Frankfurt and grew up in a roughestate area basically it was there wasno Indians back then it was just if youname it just like Turks albaniandifferent all different cultures but noIndians no Asians my family was the kindof the first Indian community aroundthere my uncle and everyone and growingone went school there stayed there -lost ten the time there was no peopleprobably asking what are you doing hereyeah yeah it's just growing up in thisstate area it was a rough and tough youknow being through fucking some hardtime and the other day and seeing myparents there being there and as anIndian people you know how did Germanthey say it's not it's not a racistcountry but they won't put everyone inone the cultural people would want inone area so where this day so this istheir area it was a being a bad kid Iwas like a as poor really but the otheryeah okay so I'm getting into naughtystuff at a young age theftnot going school just no he just beingwrong basically doing the wrong thingsthat I do you know upsetting my parentsthey wasn't happy they wanted a betterlife for me so come to a stage wherethey decided to send me here because mymom's side everyone's here my uncle's mycousins so they had a decision to makewhich probably was the biggest decisionin their life so they decided to send mehere to have a better life and todaythat's where I stand is here and I'mbeing threw me through quite a bit youknow from being alone softwaredepression this is probably most of thefamily members they don't even knowthemselves so when they hear this theyprobably think we didn't know this butI've never come up out of it really I'venever told anyone about it because Ilike to keep things sometimes myself and[Music]I've always always had that little thingwhere you know when I was young come onmy own and basically crying by myselfand I was a kid when I come here cuz Imissed my parents because the hardestthing in my life was probably was goingto that Airport and looking back and seemy mom and I'd cry maybe one else that'sa hard thing yeah it's a mental thingand that's a ten year old I don't knowwhere I'm going I don't know what'shappening yeah what's going so you wereten when you came over I was 10 yearsold and was jamming your first languagebut job dream dance from Indiana okaysome may not be fast champion easilyshould I didn't know I didn't have aclear barrage you know nothing Englishfrom the age of 10 10 yes fantastic andthen it was just hard time it's justhard that moment was very hard ten yearsold you wouldn't know you took back andwhy do you crying like we think he mighthave great for holiday of his back ofcourse I know what they said that youknow going then the plan was to give ita go see how it goes that's what my owncustom a moment which was good and thenit was hard that day I remember sittingon the plane at ten years old amount andit's going to another country to start anew life and things started and use thegood is better for me basically becausethe way I grew up in Germany there wasonly one way in a prison gangs or deadawesome other than something I didn'twant to disappoint my parents becauseone thing in my life that could never dois disappoint them they mean the worldto me and yeah another indeed appear nowin school world screedcome in years six or years five yearsalmost ten years old I didn't know noEnglish no English at all basically Idid not think I was that good fresh offthe boat but yeah and had to go throughlot of stuff as a kid because knowingnot know Englishmaking friends was hard but it was justvery difficult to be fair and the way Ijust gone through it I cried as a kid Iremember going home walking from schoolI had no friends and this is when Ifirst come over andthat long road in hands of going homeand crying and just being upset missingmy parents 10 year old kid would courseYong Yong you don't know you know youdon't know how you feel and it's justvery different unexplainable to peoplethat unless they've been throughthemselves they know I feels and it washard there's hard times and then slowlyslowly things started changing for meyou know I just started getting thinkingin my head don't one thing I always saidto myself in life is that it's all aboutyou know your brief you got two arms twolegsyou're not worse than others knowthere's people out there in lifestylegoing through lot worse than yourself soI always that's one thing one of themsecond is that the only place that'sgonna believe and use yourself you can'tbelieve in yourselfand having faith in yourself then youknow I strongly believe that you knowpeople believe in like North ofAttraction the universe I thinkpersonally you are your universe you arewhat you think in it you become what youthink so absolutely things change for meyou know if I didn't have if I didn'twant to become like my parents oreverything I took a lot of criticism inlife as well like you can't do this myparents up to because they sent me yeahas if our Asian families are they'll putyou they'll put a lot of people downthey like to say oh he ain't gonna donothing course of course being in amaking oh why you sent him there for myparents after he all that then it waslike a it was me against the people asone to prove them wrong that you knowwhat I'm fuckin of made it yeah you knowI am Who I am I'm a good personI've not turned that wrong a lot ofpeople expected me to come here and takeadvantage oh yeah and film become adruggie junkie do whatever can you knowmake most of it because my parents inhere but um you know you know plenty offriends we just forget just before thisinterview as well I've been mutualfriends we've got as well yeahdefinitely is so I think that'sinteresting what you've touched from ityou said a couple of things that I'vejust made notes of so one is you becomewhat you think and believe in yourselfthis is something that I know is a verydate hero you have to say affirmationsand implant that in my head now and Ithink indirectly because you've been putin that situation you have to developthat yourself andgiving you some strengths although youmight not have seen it as a strengththen it's brought you into the personthat you are now which I think it'sfantastic because and a lot of peoplelistening to this probably had a lotmore shout class yeah whereas you wereby yourself and you thinking buddy gotthese two hands and legsyeah and just speaking on those twokinds of legs now yeah that you knew youhad you've done incredible things withthose yeah which I just wanted to tellthe audience as well it all started witha fire school basically okaywhen I was in Germany I was a bit of atempered kid you know it's but I stillgave too loud so when I come here I wasit - I got into a few fights and this ismy first the first few month for youalreadyand my uncle goes to meet my mom'sbrother he goes you know you gotsuspended from school you just come overhere in basically Punjabi because Icouldn't speak English course and sofrom there he started and there he goeswell I'm gonna send you to kickboxinggym and I go ah they don't give me acoke it's nothing they asked or justyeah by then I made friendsI put friends by them you know peoplethat were around me and school friendsand I took one friend with me and saidlet's give me a coke see what's aboutyeah and who wants me to go okay andwalked into the gym and then from therenever looked back cuz just suddenly Ifound a talent I wasn't good mmm yes soit wasn't actually beating people up butit's something I had in me and I usedthat a lot if it wasn't for that I thinkthat sports and combat sport fightingand all that helped me in a way my usingmy hands and feet my mentally if it mademe better and it was more energy changedeverything like if I was upset at homeor if I was feeling downoh go to gym no I'll use that a lot andthen that just made me who I amfrom there he just kick-started amateurfights I went to turn pro in Thai boxingI had laws of numerous fight all overthe place over India to fight at a proMMA fight for winning age and over 20pro kickboxing fightsit's incredible a mature buck cells aswell as boxing for Saint Francis inBirminghamfantastic yes or other good chance I waseven told to stick to boxing and one wayis that gonna be pro in that but I justlove kicking okay yeah so that's whereyou all started my hands or feet andthey kicked off then I think that'swhere I I saw your Instagram stuff Nickinitially because I know my wife Tommylove about you because you went to thesame school and she said it's reallyinspiring you've come from completelydifferent country and you found your wayin life and I remember going to be spokeabout this just before the podcast goingto ask them University yeah which iswhat ten miles from my house can getthere in 15 minutes yeah and I washomesickso Monday to Thursday by the timeThursday comes I couldn't wait to gethome on a Friday so I can only imaginewhat it's like for a ten-year-old kid tokind of have to do that but I don't nowwe've spoken obviously before this yougo home a lot now and you visit inGermany quite yeah I spend much timewith my family I can I personally thinkthat nowadays degeneration now theyforget their parents and they forgetabout the old alumni like I spend a lotof time my parents because thedifference with me is that I've notactually I've lost a lot of time withthe growing of pianos and not being withthem so be going back and then everytime so anytime that means the world tome now first thing you couldn't you knowa man if you don't spend time I agreeand I'm sure they're very proud of howfar you've come now they are yeah theyare very very proud but the mostimportant thing is my dad always tellsme is the only place that should beproud this are you proud you have peoplelike that that's what matterspersonally I'm proud of myself that's apretty messy that's the best thing toyou now look that message as well andthat's something that I try and getthrough this podcast as well is thatyeah the way we look at ourselves in ourself-worth and stuff like it's the mostimportant thing yet cuz it's nicegetting plaudits from the person nextdoor or somebody across the road butuntil you start looking yourself andbelieving in yourself I'll do somethinglike this is something I don't are manyByrne I wake up in the morning and speakto myself let me read it and there's areason why I do it because then I wentto see someone about three years agomm-hmmand he helped me the way to think andwhy how to change negativity intopositively I don't you feel great aboutyourself so he said do something liketalk to yourself yeah but he actuallyworks so I realized that your mindsetstarts from the time you wake up youknow when you say your feet touch thefloor yeah that is when your mind startsworking and whatever you think whatthought you wake up with so if you wakeup negative your day is going to benegative if you wake up positive you'repositive so walk to the mirror and I gotthis little white top where I just say Iam positive I am rich I am blessed I ammy own God I am this and that so and Italk to myself yeah and then I said toher I'm gonna have a great day todaydo that and it helps me yeah that'ssomething that really helps me I knowsome people might thinking wow that'sthat but that is something like I canreally really help someone it's a mentalthing and this is like a you mentallygetting stronger and your mind youyou're basically transforming your mindset you straight positive team andyou're looking forward to the day thenit can rain out there because no evenwhen I'm finished knowing and it's shitwhether I'll say it's a toy don't stopme doing the finger prize of course it'sthe mindset how people yeah and I know alot of people that wake up in themorning say example one day I hatemondays absolute that's the firstnegative word that you say to yourself Ihate why do you hate go and do what youhad to do come home make a plan yeahthink coffee I love that so it's one ofthem things I think as you were saying Ijust opened up my diary so I have everymorning five thoughts and it's similarto yourself I am powerful I understandmy own bothyI am perfect every single morning bestthing and it's only something I've beendoing recently as well but it's soimportant like what we feed am I here soyou're an athlete you know what it'simportant to feed your body physicallystrong but if this is weak that knowseverything there's no point of it's notpoint being you know I mean the bestbody but if you're my name right it'sthe same with the fight game you can bevery good in the gym you can beyou can be whatever but if your mindsetswrong and you my name in the fightmm-hmmyou must say you lost the fight yeahbecause it's not there lost it before itstarted yeah but a lot of people don'trealize that so my mind is a powerfulthing I don't think people realize it Ithink you're right there I think it'sbecoming a bit more and this is probablybecause I look into that fear you've gota lot of mindset coach and a lot ofpeople talking about it but when I hearit from someone like yourself who's putit into practice in an arena and done iton an international stage I find it alot more authentic and real so I'm gladyou said that and it was actually theone of the next questions I was gonnaask you was about your routine and so Ilove athletes and if I could if I couldhave a separate podcast in this they'vebeen just interviewing athletes becauseI think it takes a certain type ofperson to get to the top to stay at thetop to have that mindset because itisn't like you said it ain't all aboutyour physical attributes you'll be thehardest hit but if you aim right hereyeahand somebody's got more clued on therethey're gonna have perform you throw itmain rhythm as an example indefinitelyso what I want to ask you is this was mynext question what do you do until thetime you go to sleep so obviously youall can have you spoken to yourself inthe mirror now yeah what are their kindof rituals or habits do you do in theday often saying I can go back to when Iwas fighting yeah yeah what I used to dowas we stay twice a day or three timespushing it depending coming to a fightwaking up in a pony go for a jog I'mjust going back when I was at school myuncle used to wet this secondary schooland I was competing then amateur leveland I was doing then I'd turn pro and Imean my uncle waking you used to comefrom a nightshift 4:00 in the morningbefore I go school is to make me go fora jog go for a run so the technologiesyou hear I was 14 to 16 this was and thededication was built in me already youknow having that warrior mentality andthat listen you gotta train hardmaintaining one way to so what we usedto do is train three times a day say maxand diet so when you wake up in themorning you run check your weight comehome eat you gotta watch my eat as wellyou have a nutritionist watching whatyou eat if you don't have a nutritionyou some people do it themselves whichis good as well so my daily routine isBella and especiallyall days was going school all day watchye at school wow this is the time whenno one hardly knew realized I was inyear eight nine I was just my name wasjust coming out and not people knew thehouse no one knew that I was doing itonly later on people found that comingfrom school finish school come home grabmy bagdon't do no homework come on felt liketraining back there go straight to thegym to our session and then back homeeat food go bed then after that when Ileft school it was the only thing thatchanged was there was no school time sothat's when three times a day trainingstarted just running in the morningtraining from different things likestrength speed and sparring session padwork different sessions and needs to bethree times a day eating right and hedays used to just go basically and thenI'm coming home in the evening afternoonchilling with the family and then in theevening if you feel good you go formother jog and this is when it comes toan eight week camp fight camp your aimis to get fit get mentally strong andget your weight down as well dependingon what weight division you find thatand then they just carried on like thatI've done that for a good 15 years to befair herI've been training since I was 10 stilldo it now but I'm fond of fighting fitand fighting professionally I stopped at25 my last fight was 24 when I was inIndia a fourth road and times change butI still keep the same similar routine Istill go for a jog here in l a-- wake-upcall for one you know in the morning andI love going running in the morning at 4or 5 I love that I love that it's thefresh a door full run go work andespecially with my job now you know wedo shift work so I work everythingaround it and the only thing that keepsme going is my mind basically your bodycan get old as much as they want but ifyour mind is strong can control yourmind and yeah and the funny thing isit's your mind that tells you're tiredeven before your body is as well yeahand that's something we definitely kindof battle with yeah I looked at and Ijust sort of touch on that so you'vedone this for like 15 years I had a veryvery short period and this is kind oflike something that I celebrate where Itrain like an athlete as a knight Igot myself under an Olympic coach nearboxing what I was doing with thosecopying national champions so when theywere training free time today I wasdoing the same yeah because I knew I gotinto the game late and I really wantedto go on a floors so I was training andI was copying them I was eating theright stuff and I couldn't understandwhat you're saying there I'm not sure ifthe listeners will get this but there isa point where your body and your mindare in sync that you do stuff that youthink shit how we're doing this becauseyou're training so would you do so muchand the reason I say that is because nowI'll go to the gym and people normallyis not comparison trained or whateverbut the intensity that I had for thosetwo years is 10 times more than now whatI can't do is bring that intensity backhere so now when I go to the gym the momI'm tired up I don't know I just kind ofthink okay let's got that Communistsabuse away and I wish I could transformthose two years of a true athletesmindset into now are you able to stilldo that now so you know how you wouldtrain that 25 can you bring that alittle bit back or is it a matter ofwhen you're not competing it's difficultto do I know exactly it doesn't makesense yeah I don't make sense to doright there especially the copying partmmm that's exactly why I used to dobecause watching people like the runningI got from sue my uncle told me run inthe mornings and everyone that fight hermentality and I just watch people likeTyson and knowing the jog in the morningand he watched these videos okay andthat's the copying part like justthought you said yourself you copy itand do it but that's the only way tothese people are there it's by of courseyou learn from them so that's why itlike Mayweather says you know what myopponent sleep 2 a.m. in the morning I'mgoing for it says it's a very good copyit's not a bad thing it's doingsomething that they're doing and then itworks on you but going to transformingit if I wanted to do that now andeverything I could like I said it's asit my head I knew boys the older youget or do you believe as welllaziness kicks in you know andresponsibilities change appear you knowyou have a lot more other things to doyou know work people get you knowrelationships and everything justchanges but in your head you got a youhave like a notebook and you writeeverything downtoday I'm gonna do this tomorrow I'm dothis you know you can write a routinedown and it still can be done it's don'tcoming there's nothing impossible inlibrary people told me I could neverspeak EnglishI've never got to speak English or aschool I get picked on here a day not asin you know just not picked on but justlaughing you know he can't speak Englishoh my cousin's would say oh and I thinkyou know what I realize now nothing isimpossible even when I was going throughthe depression point no I'm sad I justupset cryI never should tell my family no oneused to know I should be on my own icelike be a man just cry and miss myparents but then while Walter went alongand I got older I realized that you knowwhat nothing's impossible I could doanything or what you know whatum these people were standing out therewhat am i crying about what is wrongwith meyou know I mean I can do this dusty andtoday I'm here nothing today right nowI'm probably in the most longest mindsetI just believe in myself that I'm alivethey feel the good energy yeah and thisgood energy but Zampa when you passpositive energy got me excited herebefore we started this you can see howhappy I'll wait that's the best thing todo is the vibrations between two peopleand it's a straightaway you send it tothem and you want to spend time withpeople like thatthat's it girl one thing I have to do isthe certain people didn't say family orfriends who all they do is negativenegative negative and when it's yourfamily and friends you can't always cutthem out yeah so after do is limit myconversations with them or if I'm inthere if I'm in their proximity isliterally like how you doing and then Iwalk away because I don't want that youknow what all of these kind ofrelationships and this is where I'mcomplaining nowadays in life and on thegrand scheme of things and people haveinterviewed on this and includingyourself their problems that you knowthe trivial the minor compared to whatyou guys have been through nobody's beenlifted from their parents do you have tolearn a third language to that you don'tbe fired in and they're notunderstanding what people are sayingabout them to then having to developtheir own - such a young age where I'mhere now as a 30 year old still tryingto develop myand I'm seeing people who I'm actuallyworking with now who you are older thanme still trying to develop their Mon soI think it's you should be very proudfor this yeah I think it's commendablethat you've been able to do that yeahespecially it's true you don't think Iagree with that exam it's that fuckingthat did you do so you can't give a fuckabout anything fuck what people thinkfuck what anyone thinks really and dowhat you make sure you have people yeahif you work on yourself you're nevergonna get out of that blockage it's acircle around you like we've seen it alot with lot of people not mind coachespeople saying it like they put and diein the middle then they put circlearound it that is you and you can't getat that comfort zone you're just in thatmiddle you have to break through andthat's what he's like I had a friendmake for me two weeks ago saying I wannacopand I said to him you found me to tellme you walk onwell how about you think to yourselfthat I am gonna get I'm gonna have thatcar or believe that you already in thatcar believe in yourself like I said yeahyeah there's no one else gonna believein you you know I mean you can't askphone someone can you believe inaddition of everyone else that's it yeahcuz I knew this was interview was comingup and I try and learn about the persona little bit I took myself back intothose two years and the key to mysuccess in those two years was adecision I will just make a decision andbelieve it oh there's an analogy whensomebody says I'm trying to quit smokingfor a bit or somebody just says I don'tsmoke anymore they're two differenttypes of people the person who doesn'tsmoke and move will not be tempted andnobody will really ask him wheresomebody's that off stop smoking for abit the most aren't you're gonna getasked in a grave you want one or they'regonna be very very tempted it's kind ofyou've got to make your own identity youdo if that makes sense ain't the worldlike I'm trying change that try to I amNOT little words how you think I'm whatyou say your language you know yeah youto yourself what it's raining today orCongo you know but you say I will go forwhen the rain stops to be rain is notgonna kill you you know it's just it'sthe mind thing to be fair it's it's hardit's hard I know what where people comefrom like for me softly from beingjudged mean creaturesis going through depression at a youngage you know feeling alone andovercoming them things it's just it'snot as easy I want people to know thatthey're not on their own you know I knowpeople it's hard to explain to someonehow you feel but they need to realizethat you're not on your own becausefirst of all these people not worse thanwhat they're going through you knowsecond you're breathing you know he gottwo arms two legsyou put got a roof over your head getfood on the table and end of the worldnever think that and just feel strongabout yourself and even yourselfbut never give up and that's one thing Ithink in the Asian community is Wallynot all there's nothing wrong with youdon't worry you're just crying allyou're just upset it's a debate knowwhat's going through yeah you don't knowwhat's going through the person's heador what's happening and me as a youngkid I remember them little things when Iwas on my own and crying and all sortsit was quite hard and not family membersdon't know this to be fair but all thecomment in a way that it was that fuckyou attitude like you know what I'mgonna I'm gonna prove people wrong youknow I didn't care what people think butI used that as a I'm gonna prove a momthat I'll turn that good and I turned updoing I achieve things that day car so Iused them as a fuel baby that's why Iused the mass and it carried on likethat and my mind just got stronger andstronger hmm and anything even todaylike I mean people who having a bad dayand I turned their mindset it's just metalking deception isn't it yes it's howyou see itand I think you took started this soyou've been doing this since you attendthey pretty much and that's probably whyyou're better at it than most people Ithink the important thing people shouldtake away from this episode is make it ahabit yeah so how you go to the toiletat night how do you go have a showerevery morning it needs to become a habitthe way you speak to yourself from howyou see stuff so another good thing I doother than these five things I dogratitude journal is oh so I used to doevery morning which is fine butsomewhere along like the day after a bitit kind of rubs off so something badhappens even myself I'm guilty ofsometimes looking atwhat I do you know I do have themtonight as well so I'm doing gratitudeas soon as I wake open before I go tosleepit just helping me and my natural vibesand everything it's very hard for me tonot be grateful for what I have like yousaid I've got two hands and a few of myhealthtouchwood at the minute got no diagnosisof any illness isn't nothing I get to goon holiday I know what I get to live thelife are what I'm blessedyeah do you know what I mean I convincedmyself of that because because I amnever give up attitude may seem you knowthat's the best way to be and beinggrateful I've always been grateful I'llbe my dad and like we come from nothingmy parents come from nothing and we haveenough today to keep us happy and that'sall that matterswhich is how well you know half is themost important thing of course and youknow I've always been bought up in a wayto think that stay humble as well and begrateful and that's well yeah and that'sone thing about me I love that andthat's something you preach on yourinstagrams in your facebook as welllove that because always I can relate tothat so on my Twitter I just kind of saystuff that comes in my head it's kind ofme talking to myselfyeah because sometimes if I'm a bad daymy first thing in my head is going backto a prayer yeah and listen to how youtalk so be that person that you sayyou're gonna be here and I wrotesomething the other day which saysgrowing up I didn't have everything Iwanted but I had everything I needed andthat's literally how I grew up and andthat's kind of like one of my timelinesas well because I think my life is thiscompared to so many other people that'swhy people it's hard for them they thinkthey're humble but they're not reallythey don't understand how what it takesto be grateful you have to believe inthat you know what I'm happycoming for my breakfast is a bit hardtimes II was me I know and I've seen youknow looking at my friend he's buyingnew train is no lazy Navi and now I'msitting up and for one but I still don'tgo and get what I want because I knowI've got enough I don't you know that'snot gonna change your liver whathappened it's all still here it's notcause it's a big example my friendsalways like oh why didn't get yourself anew car you know you all you need toknowwhat can I'm humble in a way that my cartakes me a to be I'm happy that's whatthe purpose of a car is that's all ifyou could treat yourself to treatyourself don't forget where you comefrom people forget where they callthat's what happened I agreethey really forget asleep hour for alisten that is I think so I come fromsimilar backgrounds no not as bad as youin terms of not being very humblebecause we had normally going up and Iremember the moment I got my first goodjob he was in London and I was anymoremoney thing on you wanted to deal withand when I say what money I mean to meto other people it's probably a normalsalary so I know all this money and Iremember Bibles designer gear thesejeans and stuff and if you go upstairsto the third bedroom they're all themjeans and all them teacher I just and Ihardly wear because yeah very quickly Irealized that doesn't make me happywhat makes me happy is being able to dothis or help people or give a hunter andthat kind of the best thing you can doyou know helping people is one of thebest things as well even if it's doneit's like the littlest thing like I'llexplain some time was of course tellingthem how if they're saying the day'sbeen bad try and help and be they bebetter not have a joke or just havesomeone just maybe someone small yeah Ithink I thinking in the world butgrowing up humble and down to half isprobably my first thing not taking myheart honestly from your hair is thefirst thing that there is respect beinghumble and down to the best can comeafter that's the best thing I think theworld would be a better place if there'sno greed then like lot of people arethere's not greedthere's a lot of competition Cubacompetition not a lot of people competewith them with others or their mates ortheir family members like I've alwaystold my parents like listen don't worrywhat people say let them talk let thembe they think what they want let themthink what they want they're jealous theHaiti they got a negative problem whichthey need help in but they don'tunderstand that especially in ourcommunity indeed pretty they see theywon't know that they don't stand thiskind of stuff this is like if you canfucking get it what can't you why don'tyou do this why don't you do what theydon't realize the other person might behappy you know they're happy with whatthat for my dad my dad one kind ofperson like you were says to me whatkids are happybe healthy about reform I'll either seeyou always you say that his whole lifeand you're drilled into my headno even though I didn't grow up withthem but but then let them believeremember yeah I remember these thingsand now always when I stay at homethat's why I got that little white booktop of the mirror and I love that lookhoney and I've got one thing that I'mI'm rich yeah and you know how I feeland well feeling about everything I wantyou keep saying that the things that youdon't you don't expect they'll come toyou anyway then you're attracting thator anything of course but yes like Isaid it's not easy for people out therethat's hard but I already know I lovethat you've shared that because that'sliterally how I think yeah so we justbefore we started this episode I toldyou I'm selling this house now yeah andI was like we're gonna get ourselves asmaller apartment and two other peopleit's gonna be like shit you're given abig house for a small little apartmentfor what for me is my happiness mywife's gonna give up WIC we're gonna betogether I don't care that I don't allmy house that doesn't bother meI don't care my family or friends say ohyou don't want to have anymorelisten not many people do all thathouses the lights on the houses for astart but secondly it doesn't bother meI've got not ego in relation to thatwhat I am doing is controlling my ownlife I'm living life on my own terms andmy wife's happy that's the best way andgoing back to banks on that to be fairwe don't own exactly nothingwe're here for a very very short amountof time we're leasing almost everythingin life you know to me we don't ownnothing and all your own only thing yourown is your own happiness their ownmindset and yourself absolutely and likeyou said you and your wife are happythat's when you care about a lot of thepeople out there to care about the kidsand their parents and that's what theyshould be this I think time is morevaluable than money you know I mean themost most important commodity you canget money all day long you'll get thatforever at the time you never get thatback and that's me saying it becausethat time I lost with my parents I'llnever get anything I get that back yeahme growing up as a most of my friendsused to go back schooldon't open the door go back home sorrydon't open the door one day mom and dada day no I didn't have that feeling Ididn't know what it's like growing upwith parents or what it's like beingwith you in a moment dad and my mom anddad had to go through a lot they have tocry you know they're always outevery day have known a magic I mean I'mnot a parody I can only imagine how hardthat must've been a song he was alwayssaid to my mom and dad I said no there'speople are there I've lost you know theparents in walls and this was going onnow and people are you know dying and Isaid don't worry I'm fine andeverything's goodand I always came that positive energyand that thing that I'm gonna do welldon't worry come off it and I will neverbasically we say flop come so I'm gonnaprove everyone wrong don't worry andsame people they used to criticize usthey don't even want to look at me nowyeah yeah I know I still pull my handout unshaken because that's not the wayof yours just because they hate youdoesn't mean you have to hate back don'tgo on to their level yeah and mostlikely reason that they have these kindof opinions or something positive stuffis because really it's an opinion aboutthemselves so when they see you doingstuff or saying you're gonna dosomething they believe they can't do itand that's what it is I had it well Imean when I was 25I'm 25 slate and I was like 42 poundsoverweightheavier than I was now tits andeverything and I would but I want to goand box it every single person close tome other than my mom I like my brotherand like my immediate family were likeyou can't do it straightawaydad already decided my fate in here justincredible how do you guys know youhaven't seen me try I wasn't as good aswhen I was 17 when I first know but Iwas like oh because I was so likefocused I was like respond I think Icould do something because I had anOlympic coach who told me I could do itand I was at surely his opinion in thatfield matters a little bit more thanyour opinion yet but then saying that ifI never had that guy tell me that Iprobably would have believed it and Iprobably would never have tried it and Istill say to this day those two yearsare the best years of my life I neverachieved the things that I want to dochief but I built my counter and I builtmy strength and I built so much about meas a personyeah in those two years that I think isreally important that was me literallyignoring people's opinions or definitelyurge people shut up everything the thingis that when people when people say toanother person you can't do it who arethey don't you are needy they'renobodies they just feel like that butthemselves that they Condor is on youcan do itand it's good in a way because when youstart thinking like that you getstronger and you think to yourself youknow what that's true who are they totell me and you that's why sometimesthat period of my life where I gotcriticized judged I probably took anynow people but they won't do to my faithbut yeah but you need them peoplesometimes because they've got a issuewith themselves in within themselves ofcourse but they're taking it out onothers but you need these people becauseyou use them as a competitive thing likeyou know what I'm gonna prove you wrongthere and it helps you it pushes youeven more and it's just forget it I justhave this quote from the whole two yearson my wallpaper on my phone and it was Ido because I can't I come because I wantto I want to because you said I couldn'tand that's what it was because there wasso many people that said I couldn't yeahI'm just gonna go and do this now yeahalmost to prove them wrong so I get thatyeah it's very hard but like I saideveryone goes to so much through lifeand you mentioned the depression thingearlier and obviously you know you foundfighting as your way of kind ofreleasing energy and helping you and allthe benefits of exercise on mentalhealth and depression yeah how did youovercome it or is it something that youstill feel you battle with now I thinkum I don't have it no more now basicallyup in a way but back then when I was akid I didn't know it was depression okaybut it was but I realized afterafterwards it what it was because goingin a room lock yourself up and crying isjust as a 12 year old and I was 10 to 12that's when it was the main period andit was a bit more you wouldn't realizeand you think one more crank you justyou know but that's what's going on yourhead is telling youDanya you're on your own you got no onethere your mom and dad that's so faraway you know you have all thesethoughts going through your head andnegative thoughts basically and hestarted from there and I worked myselfin a way thinking and first of allsports was helping me anyway keeps yourmind of things you know like I alwayssay to people find a hobby don't have tobecome a sport do any sport it could beanything you know sitting playing onPlayStation yeah sometimes it gets yourmind off things remind some wellabsolutely and the way I overcome it isbasically I was justone day I'll just come home and thinkingto myself I'm about 14 now and I'm doneit in ages and I was thinking to myselfhold on I felt alone I'm not sittingthere I was thinking and no one caresabout me you know I want to go back toGermany I don't want to be here no morebut then I started thinking these peoplestarted coming all in my head thatcriticized me and just my family myparents basically and everything and Isaid if I go back now and give up Igotta hear that for rest of my life andmy mom and dad will have to hear thatsay he didn't make nothing of himself heain't done nothing so at 14 I have tothink and more 14 year olds they don'tthink about us knowing no chance I haveto prove after thinking my head don'tthink you know what I can't do this Igive up no matter how hard it becomes Iwill not give up I was there yeah andprove everyone wrong and I'm not tellingeveryone that it's easy to do you knowdepression is it's a very I don't thinkit's looked into as much it should beand it's quite hard and not many peoplecan overcome itbecause they feel that there's no oneday and of course you know I mean untilnot only in the hard waylook I didn't speak to no one I usedmyself as in I'm gonna do this I'm gonnado that I'm gonna prove them wrong andI'm gonna give it a go I'm not gonnagive up and then I never gave up fromthey carried on I went through a lot ofstuff through it throughout then as wellI lost my grandparents in India mum ormy dad's mom and dad both died day aftereach of that and especially a funeralday it's a very different thing I'vegone I've lost fights that's made mefeel down you know I've had shitperformances fights I've been criticizedjudged again this was around 18 19so through in my whole life there's beenbits and bobs but I had that one thingin my head I don't give a fuck I am NOTgonna give up and I'm gonna carry on andtoday people respect you for it you knowpeople think you know who's strongminded person yeah definitely and nowI'm just too old I'm getting I feel likemy body might not be the same that I waswhenwas 18 I'd like mmm fire and then gotthe punches got the kid speed whateverbut in my head I'm still that lion andhe still there and if I have to dosomething I know I can do it my bodymight have to be shattered even if it'snot fighting or whatever is all trainingusing that one is yeah unify they saypeople lose their jobs they getredundant the baffled they don't knowwhat to do they go to a pub they startdrinking no cuz they don't used tothinking one fuckin into the worldno walk through that door be happy mmmsee your familywhat about girlfriend kids where thatsmile say you know whattomorrow's another day absolutely simpleas that to do them and that's the way toovercome things it's hard it's it's noteasy I'm not saying it's easy but youknow yeah I think you need mindset yeahyou've got like an athletic like a toptop level of mindset but the thingsyou're saying is you're not saying youdon't feel it as well yeah you stillfeel pain you still feel this struggleor making a hole and you're not Supermanlike nobody wants to wake up and runningthe cold but you have to do cosnecessary you have to do and if anythingif we can train ourselves whether it'sthrough exercise combat sports orwhatever it is like any goals we have isit going to discipline yourself yesthat's really where you get your rewardsyeahdiscipline yourself alone you have todiscipline your mind and your you haveto think right and it's just like likeyou said it's not easy but what isn'teasynothing's easy in life and this is athing and I think I'm not sure of theright word for it but I feel a littlebit sorry for people who haven't beenthrough the hardship in life or sufferedas much because it's more difficult forthem to put themselves in somebody likeyourselfs position yeah see the thing isyou had your back against the wall youhad no other choice easy there look Iquit and this is the end now or I keepfighting forward and you're callingforward stand by swing it's true even asa kid like when I was in Germany goingthrough being bad influence through Iwas only seven eight and I wasn't doingtheft and that and literally you knowjust I think the only time one thing Iremember is getting my head kicked in bya bunch of sixteen year olds me I'm aI'mseven years eight years old but that wasthe life growing up in the state and Ithink coin from coming from Frankfortthey stay area there and come into handswith it's just as bad well yeah I boughtthat mentality to England that no one'sgonna fuck with me and I am Who I am Isee and they've helped me I don't knowme I remember last time getting introuble here in England you know juststay disciplined and then what I have todo found a talent kept up with it keptmy head strong you know regardless ofwhat happens in life they're gonna beups and downs gems are gonna come that'sno matter what they don't matter who isokay you can be a celebrity you can beyeah multi-millionaire credit they'reall going through storms and they allcome through life where they stressedand they're whoever but the carrier ofthe carrier they don't give up you knowand that's the way to be to be basicallyand I carried on to be fair I boughtthat same mentality it took time andlike I said I still you have ups anddowns now I have ups and downs now andthen but doing that thing like waking upin the morning how makes it positiveit helps Lord and I hope people try thatthis you try all right definitely I meanI've started yeah I told you you'd liketo get people to start it because it'simportant out and the thing that'simportant is you showed your underability there so we all know you as thistough guy yeah you know kicking ass allover all over the world but it's good tohave wannabe of you as a human sayinglook I still struggle that's it but likeyou said you've got two choices youbefore you go backwards and yours isalways to go forward keep lookingforward and don't look back basically ifyou start looking back you living in thepast of course live in the moment that'swhat we've gone the future that's got tobe fair forget the future the past livein the limit yeah I believe in thatmoment you know you wake up that's yourday live in that moment that time thatyou got in that lake every minute hourwhatever counts yeah and giving thatmoment I love it future is a plan pastis gone forget that and the moment iswhat you're gonna do then whatever youdo in the day doesn't mean I'm tellingpeople to train or whatever not asathlete wise as a normal human beingwise find happiness firstin yourself and think positive and whatyour mind just starts changing myselfI'm just living that moment I love itthat's the best way brilliant bro Iappreciate that great lessons there um Iwould ask you then another question andso I know you're not scared of likecombat and stuff stuff that most peoplea normal person on their own will bescared of confrontation is tough becauseobviously you've been then you're notjust competing against a normal personthrow it you're competing againstsomebody who's trained and probably justas hard as you yeah but other than thatwhat else in life scares you then youknow what be honest I've never fearedanything to be fair the only thing Ifear and as in person who Dean he'sprobably my parents losing my parents Idon't feel nothing else I can go back tothe bottom I know I'll rise up againnothing fears me but we all know that weget old at one point and we're gonna usepeople we love and it's a hard thing andespecially like me that I haven't spenttime with them as much as I want to domy life and try my best I'll doeverything now a lot of people ask mewhat you want you go holiday come withyou mate so I can do that whenever ofcourse at that time I have off I'll gohome and that time I spend with my momand dad it's the most important time inmy life and I think if I fear anythingit's losing my parents in life basicallynothing else fears me I could lose wahwah lose my house I can lose my job I'lldo whatever is but you can't replacethat you can't replace certain thingsyour parents are one thing that youcan't replace you loved once somethingyou know and that is my fearwe take you for granted yeah we doanother fear that a lot it's it'ssomething that you know you gotta acceptit one day it's no and but you don'twant it to come and that's the fear youhave any you've got the right mentalitythough that every day is you basicallyseize the dayyeah so you make the most of it I'm thesame I think that probably one of mybiggest fears as well my immediatefamily obviously if you know is you doand I know a lot of people use thatdreams to inspire my sometimes use likemy nightmares to inspire me so I Isometimes I know it sounds a bit morbidbut it's like just imagine if this istheir everlastingdo you know what I meanthat requires we have to really give myall on the day because my my end game isfor them to have their life that they'vealways wanted a do you know mean untilthey have to find that for them so ifyou always because I'm not the longeryou take the more chance it is of thatday coming that's it yeah that makes itand you're right that is using that isbasic I use the same thing like I alwaysthink the opposite I think to myself youknow it's God forbid something happensto him that's why I booked my ticket onthe last minute hang on when I have thattime off it can be two days three daysI'm their dog of course no catch theflight I'm gone you know I mean I coulduse that money to do anything I want Idon't know anywhere in the world if Iwant some toys and do I want but thattime I spend with them that's the bestwas the best time and even if he's justsitting at home and just talking tohaving it laughing just chilling itcan't be no there's no that's the onlything I personally fear anything else Idon't feel like you can throw me in thejungle with nothing you know I meanobviously I'll come at what I've gottado and going back to the bottom of myadvice by cooking I'm not scared normalbecause you know once you've been thereyeah you don't fear to be there againbut you know how to wake yourself upthen yeah you can be poor rich but theywere still living our India and you seepoor people you see you know how peoplelive and how people are they still haveyou know yeah you don't mean it's crazyeasy it's still happy I'm going Thailandback end of last year and I rememberthis one particular family was a threegeneration family and they were justsmiling in this very small hut whereclothes on the line that didn't looklike they were washed but they werewashed I don't mean that in anydisrespectful way but happiness it wasalmost like an advert you know that whenyou watch these business embolus and Iwalked past it with the wife and we justwalking back to the hotel sir that'sbliss I mean like no God they've goteach other that's actually enough youknow those relationships they gothappiness love and I was like I lovethat it did change my perception a lotcoming back from a place like that and Ithink them as people especially intoday's society so glued to ourInstagram and we should go out there weshould look at these people and travel abit of the world and see how lucky weactually are I went when I fought inIndia for in Bombay andit was a the poverty day was crazy andpoor but I've seen it remember goinggrowing past in the car on the righthand side there's a mom with the twokids and they seemed happythey smiley and the kids were playingand they ended up in the dirtthings are not change you know you'regonna experience a lot that change andyou think you know always complaincomplain why am i complaining but yeahgoing back to the fear that's the onlything I fear in life otherwise I don'tfear anything - yeah I was gonna say ifyou don't see that the guys getting itherefair enough fair enough so I'm gonnaassume obviously your parents are yourbig motivation but you're also likeyou're inspiring other people as wellnow so you when I've talked about yourInstagram yes if you're waking Mackenzieaway commit will China another minute aswell what keeps you motivated to stillkeep that up because I'm not even aboutday job as well yeah through touch phoneyeah so you went from network around isit yeah engineer you're an engineer andyou do that full time when I see you Ijust see you is it after you keepfinding people and doing amazing thingswhat inspires you in terms of keepingthat going is that just something thatyou just enjoy this part of your life orhave you got a bigger inspiration to doanything and I'll be honest you knowwhen it's been in use since 10 years oldit's an it is in your blood and you willnever give it up he's always gonna be inyou that attitude that fighter mentalitythat been there done it and he inspiresme in a way that I used to do this it'sthe world I lived he was it's what mademe I'm not I'm not when people say knowme as me they know me as the fighteryeah yeah no means nothing so easilyit's gonna live with me foreveryeah so that's why it pushes me to helpothers I like to help but I like to bein that environment in that gymenvironment where kids are training itreminds me of me and when these guys aretraining for Big Show's big fights andI'm holy punch to them I'm training himit reminds me that I'll be through thisand I love itI think it's great and Guilds all boysand we have students that are littlekids from girls to boys and this so muchtalent out there and I think it's justbrilliantfor them to get off the couch or hang onthe computers they enacted yeah I thinkit's it's gonna be in me forever alwayswhen it comes to that side I'll alwaysbe there in that sport environmentbecause that's something that stuck withme yeah yeah it's always there and I'malways there to Harper I think thisinterview is going to be interestingthough when people listen to it becausethere's a lot more about this as well asyou as a personyeah and I think you don't give yourselfcredit for how wise and how emotionallyin terms of you you've obviously taken alot of knocks to the head as I telogenbecause I listen to a lot of largepremieres and world leaders and mostpeople speak the same things so that themax of everything is the same everyone'strying to motivate us by I said therewas stuff but what it is we will have adifferent way of communicating and yoursis obviously through your fight game butsome of the words you're saying today isit's literally like I'm hearing it andyou can see how excited I'm when I'msitting here because I was just hearingsomeone I admire lip killing it acrossthe game saying the same stuff yeah sothere's obviously a secret to thesuccess you know the secret ingredientwhich people have it and whether it'smaking money or whether it's inspiringpeople are getting to the top of a5-game the things you are speaking aboutare amazing so hopefully this interviewgives that and I think you shoulddefinitely try and showcase that more aswell we touched on mental health andthis is something we'll take offlinebecause I'm deuce a couple of projectsin mental health so my mom suffered withit for eight years on know how seriousit is and I think having someone from soof health and fitness background into itthere might be room for us topotentially work together or somethingto what help into poor people awarenessis tough so I'm excited for that becauseI think you've got more than just hornypants for people you've got a lot oflife why I like helping doing space ofthat I don't see I'm doing yeah yeahsometimes if my friends all my family oreven my parents of the day of negativetimes on the talky negative I'm thinkingI'm explaining it to them yeah it's truelike you said you don't realize you havethat in your head you have it here likeyou don't have to have a great a beall agree but if you got generalknowledge in life and you know how toespecially help people I made peoplehappy no life experience is the mainthing a female nowadays this youths outthere that like thatyou know I mean of course parents wantto give them everything on the platedon't want to see them struggle butthey're not gonna experience life she'snot gonna not true no and I think thebest lesson they could teach at schoolis how to control and understand yourown mind which is something that you'vehad to do definitely cuz I remember lasttime using science I use it a little bitfor fitness but generally speaking yeahit's some of the stuff is okay yeah Idon't know how to pay tax and yeah ofcourse they should just be like a lifeschool or thing yeah yeah but I thinkthat's something that I'll probably dowith my kids because I'm not I've gotacademics yeah then the whole degree theMasters and stuff and it's not really some where I want to go look this stuff Iwanna do I don't actually need any ofthat so for me it's like I've justwasted so many years so when I get kidsand stuff I'd love first I'm gonna getin the club box it's a little boxyengineer sports all that's also butgenerally speaking what I think whenthey get to a certain age if they find apassion or something they wanna do Itook their choice yeah absolutely theirchoice and another thing I want to hiton is basically a lot of people don'trealize this when there's no differencebetween a girl and a boy a girl can doanything that a boy can understand Iknow girls are tough for the boys yeahthey're champions and I don't disagreewith the thing that a female can't dowhat American you know they can doanything anything that American andnowadays females are more successfulthan men really do what and he's justthe individual that's why yeah because Iget a lot of parents saying that oh yeahmy boys gonna do this but how about yougirl look of course it what means shecan't do that no example like fightingor boxingoh my boy he might not want to do thatbut you go might become a world championbe and it it's I mean yeah there's a lotof female fighters now I'm seen comingup as dangerous imagine you also is allgonna bring on a female power lifterit's just a normal girl that youwouldn't think thatthe power of technique and everythingthey got and everything else boys thisgot their own training and it's hard andit's all a point athlete and fighting tothe sign as a person and human I'll bethrough things but I'm still standingokay so there you've heard it the buzzerhas gone off now we're gonna put Rajthrough his paces and I'm gonna askingthe most random questions ever was 60seconds so are you ready buddy yeah I'mready let's go okay brilliant three twoone what did you eat for breakfast seeya the ability to fly or be invisiblevisible money or fame money Bruce Lee orChuck Norris Bruce Lee your proudestmoment your favorite food pizza Netflixor YouTube Netflix your number-one goalthis year just be healthy boxing orkickboxing boxingwould you rather know how you will dieor when you were dying your favoriteboxer ever everything more or less yourfavorite MMA fighter ever John Joneslove or money love books or moviesyou're number one fitness tip yourfavorite workout song yes if you couldsit with one person in the world foranother who would it benot bad your worst fear is a child youever seen what is your biggest addictionjunk food summer or winter winter yourfavorite place in the world India if youcould abolish one thing in the worldwhat would it be your favorite superheroyour biggest friend and the finalquestion is your favorite movie starRobert De Niro really good stuff okay sothe next thing I ask is about reflectionso if you could go back to maybe anearlier time in your life where youcould whisper something to your youngerself say for instance when you're firstcoming to Tom that Airport yeah youleavin funfair fine you comin up toEngland and you can just whispersomething into that kids yeah knowingwhat you know now what would you say ifI'll take it back to that timewhen me when I first left Germany goingto that Airport back with my bags nowhispering to that kids hear my sob I'lljust say go there and smushy hmm you'regonna make it okayso we're actually at the last questionnow and this is a question asked all onmy guess yeah and it's if you're nothundred fifty years no members arearound anymore and all that exists is abook book on the table and it's a bookabout your life and everything thatyou've done open to whenever you passand on that book what I wouldn'tobviously what the player would be andsecondly what the summary would tell usabout you at the back Montana would bebasically my favorite song with no oneknowing this notion of comedy it's myway from Frank Sinatra okay love like mybook would be called my way yeah becauseI've done everything my way the way Iwanted it to do the way I wanted it tobe and that's why I'll call it just myway but a picture yeah okay straightahead my legs and the name my way and atthe back just a great human beingbasically like how people and wentthrough the struggles through journey ofmy life and a Beatle come my way my waytry and get the truck oh yeah I lovethat song literally but um yeah that'sit really but that wouldn't be the bookand I will be the back the journey of mylife okaythat I destroyed my way no fantastic andI've sort of said thank you again forobviously sharing your story I knew it'dbe good my wife's been telling me forages brought myself as a podcasting backin the day but she was like you need toreach out to write you know it's got anamazing stories inspiringfrom the moment I met you today yourenergy and stuff appreciate thatthank you very much days on I'm justlike as a friend now I'm proud ofeverything you're achieving and whatyou're doing going forward until yourparents are as well and just before weclose up the show what's the best placethe audience can connect with you orfollow your story they can connect withme through Facebook social mediaInstagram Facebook and your names forthe names are red silentokay on Instagram only one radish saladI likeand they're on Facebook right silentI'll come up and you'll knowstraightaway and you spout Raj Raj andmy second name is sa double L a andfantastic so I do he's operating in theshow notes as well you'll find a lot oflike training footage as well I'm surethere's a lot of mindset stuff in thereas well obviously if you throw a liketraining like I knew actually before Imet you I was gonna want to go to thegym after this episode so I've got myshaker ready I've got my gym attire onI'm going straight to the gym hopefullyinspires you guys but also inspires younot to make excuses in your life becausethere's always somebody out there who'sprobably got it with so thank youRaj and for everyone at home thanks forlistening and remember this podcast isabsolutely free so all we ask in returnis for you to share this with a friendand drop us a five star review over oniTuneshave an awesome day See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out 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Find your voice - Episode 12 - How to achieve your dreams as a single parent #12Tagline: "Never give up and keep striving for what you deserve" Donna Marie PeggDonna is a single parent who has overcome depression. She is an entrepreneur, a property investor....oh and a police officer during her day job too!You see she could have every excuse under the sun, as to why she is unable to achieve financial freedom and live life in accordance to her dreams, YET she chooses not to.She chooses to make the best use of her time, eradicating her excuses and chasing what she truly desires.For anyone who may have suffered from break-ups, relationship problems and found themselves working 2 or 3 jobs with a child, I hope you can take inspiration from Donna's story as she is living breathing proof that with the right mindset and action anything is possible.I urge you to follow her story and journey further as this wonderful lady is going places!Follow it below:Thanks for listeningFree Audible book sign up:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Audible-Membership/dp/B00OPA2XFG?actionCode=AMN30DFT1Bk06604291990WX&tag=are86-21Best book on Mindset by Carol Dweck: Mindset https://amzn.to/2QajMvZSupport the podcast: https://www.patreon.com/findyourvoiceLinks to me:Website: https://www.arendeu.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/aren.deu/Twitter: https://twitter.com/arendeuFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/aren.singhLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aren-deu-65443a4b/Podcast: https://www.findyourvoicepodcast.com YouTube: http://tiny.cc/51lx6yLinks to guest:Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/compasspropertyinvestment/ (Property)Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/keepsakesbymadefrommemories/ (Business)Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/madefrommemoriesbears/ (Business)Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/compasspropertyinvestment/ (Property)Website: www.madefrommemories.comEmail addresses:Madefrommemories@hotmail.co.ukCompasspropertyinvestment@hotmail.com#JustDeuIt & #FindYourVoice[Music]welcome to an episode of find your voicea movement led by yours trulyAren do a guy who has overcomecrippling anxiety adversity anddifficulty like so many of you in lifewhose main goal now is to help youcombat your excuses take control of yourlife write your own story and mostimportantly find your voice so now Arenwithout further ado I welcome the hostof the show himself mr. Aren do what'sgoing on people thank you for tuning into another episode of find your voice myname is Aren and as always I am thehost of the showso today's guest is somebody I wouldconsider a rising star and by that Imean it's somebody who's really takenthe property world by storm in such ashort amount of time now for many of youthat know me I am actually a full timeproperty investor and it's kind of whatmade me I supposefinancially free to allow me to dopassion projects like today but thislady's not far off and I say watch thisspace because she's gonna be somebodywho you're gonna be either working withwatching or perhaps just taking hugeamounts of inspiration from now thereason I say that is because through ourinterview and through conversationsoffline I found out that this person wasalso working was also working on theside was also a single parent and had aside business as well so for anyone outthere who thinks they can't do it orthey don't have enough time or workstressful or their kids are playing upwell listen I don't want to hear itdon't hear your excuses and I'm sureDonna who's I guess today doesn't wantto hear them either so without furtherado let's get this interview on the wayhow are you doing today you're rightyeah I'm very well feeling very poisedup actually from good weekend fantasticfantastic okay so if you could kind ofexplain how you've progressed throughlife and ended up where you are now inyour journey okay I've done quite a lotin life actually a so I've done yeahthere's there's been quite a lot ofpeaks and troughs I'm surelike a lot of people so I had a verygood upbringing I was brought up withmoney so my dad is a business he wasvery business minded my mom was astay-at-home mom to three girls so I hadthat whole business influence from mydad and also the caring motherly rolequite a old-fashioned role reallybecause my dad went out to work and mymom stayed at home and looked after hisfull-time so it was nice to I think youknow that the importance of modeling andeverything and I had I had a very goodupbringing because you know like I saidI had the business aspect of my dad andthe drive and understanding theimportance of money which he was a bigbeliever in his understanding so weworked from a very young age I was 30when I had my first job yeah and I didto be honest I didn't need to workbecause we had a big house I had horseswe had land you know so I had an amazingstart in life but my dad came from avery humble background and was like it'simportant that you understand the valueof money and to go out to work so yeah Istarted work when I was thirteen and myown moneyand I've worked ever since maybe that'swhy I'm such a hard worker and and Iknow that unless you put the graftingyou don't get the result sort of thingso absolutely yeah so and and then Istayed on at school so I was veryacademic minded out of the three of us Iwas the one the clever one the samethere's always one I can relate to thatyeah yeah yeah cuz you're the brainy oneas well apparently but I probablydisagree now I think my little sisterstaken that always taken over now so yeahso I did I stayed at school did mya-levels I did a BTech National Diplomain art and design cuz that's the sort ofarea was going down and then I went toNewcastle and did a fashion marketingdegree for four years within that fouryears at did a three-year and the threeyearswere academic in university and then Idid a year within industry it wasclassed as a sandwich course so jewelryin that time I went and I design ladieshandbags for the high street yeah so Iused to that was my old rock my oldcareer I suppose I started designingladies handbags for the high street wentinto designing and then I had a bit of amoment in life are separated at a sixyear relationship with my first love aswell they were met when I was 17 andthat massively affected me like I endedup having depression and anxiety I meanI stayed in bed mom bless mom mom shehad to come and get me out of bedsometimes because it was just all forcoping with ityou know together six years and yeah hada bit of a I don't know maybe a bit of alife-changing moment and I was like thisgot you know there's got to be more tolife than lying in bed crying over anex-boyfriend so I ended up goingtravelling backpacking around Australiaon my own which was rather daunting hefinds herself in a country the otherside of the world on your own to kind offind yourself yeah but it was the mostamazing thing is the freest I've everfelt in my life you were in a countryyou could go wherever you wantedwhenever you wanted and you weren'trestricted by time or money or anythingand it was it was absolutely amazing andit I spent six months over there and Iactually were hosts I was over therestarted applying for jobs because Iwanted to do extreme sports where designthat was a passion of mine I've alwaysbeen into surfing and snowboarding andthat was a great passion of mine sobasically I went over to have kind of aholiday but I took again I think it'salways been about entrepreneurial yeah Itook a CD basically with my wholeportfolio that I generated at universityand a posted out or the major company soQuicksilver Rip Curl Billabong and thenI got contacted I was on Fraser Islanddoing a two-day trip a incredible placeand I had no internet because it wasjust in the middle of nowhere and I hada ping on my phone and it was avoicemail from Quicksilver saying theywanted to interview me and I was likewow like what an opportunity that wasfor designing designing extremesportswear so you know like all yearsnowboard any surf hoodies and all ofthat yeah that's what they do they're amassive brand if you're into you somekind of skate and surf wear so what anopportunity so I went to Turkey wherethey're based and I stayed there for aweek I went for an interview and theyoffered me a position as a juniordesigner fantastic but they they said tome we basically want you to be able todo all your CAD design so basically allthe things I drew they wanted me to beable to do it on a computer so I waslike you know for me to then get the jobbecause it was all Illustrator based andPhotoshop based so yeah I basically ranout of money anyway in Australia SCI hadto come home right yeah I'd doneeverything I've gone from the bottom ofAustralia like that's where the TwelveApostles are open book to Ken so I'ddone the whole of these coasts and so Icame home I did a CAD design coursepassed the course and then I had a momenagain another maybe life-changing momentwhat do I actually want out of life andthe thing is with the fashion industryalthough it's amazing and it's soinspiring the world of design it's verypretentious as well and I'm a very openbubbly person and always have been and Iwas surrounded by a lot of people and itwas all about money what you ownedrather than who you were as a personso maybe I went a little bit deep withall of that and was like what could I dothat would make a difference yeah andand then I saw Lester Constabulary wererecruiting for police officers yeah sothis was our 11 years ago 12 years 12years ago now so I went along with mymom to the event and it was amazing thefact that you could do so many differentroles within one job and I did all theapplication process and passed it gotreally high level all the written andthe mathematical but I didn't getthrough the interview I just didn't havewhat it was necessary to get theposition so I kind of gave up which wasvery unlike me because I definitely amand I'm a bit like if somebody says noto me mate it's me working honestly somy coach at the time the person whobasically was doing all the applicationprocess with us and making sure that weknew what we needed to do to get to theend goal which was to get the role as apolice officer she contacted me actuallyand said do not give up you were amazingreal I think you have what it takes andon that occasion you weren't successfulbut you were up against a lot of peoplewho were like PCSOsor special so they had more of a policeknowledge than I did because I had no nofriends in the police no family in thepolice I had no idea what was involvedso yeah I basically transferred myapplication to West Midlands Police andbecause I'd done everything the onlything I had to do for them was thedifferent fitness tests because theyhave a different fitness test - Lesterand a passed that and so yeah my 11 yearservice now with them oh wow I know Idon't even know how the time justso I did well at school I wanted to dowell in my career I wanted to be abusiness always had this dream being abusiness woman and because yeah I mean Ibecause I'd hit on it a little bit so wehad Hall she's growing up so when I was13 I was asked to ride for Great Britainyeah so at 13 I got scouted so that wassomething else I used to do as well onthe side of going to school yeah I amso yeah dude horse riding when I wasyounger and I got asked to ride forGreat Britain but I again had thisthought in my mind I want to be a careerwoman I had friends at school you knowand I was I did I thought if I do thatit's going to stop my development in thearea that I want to go in right so Inever I never did that and again I thinkthat's because of the person that I amlike I'm always striving for somethingso I did the university thing andobviously because of my university andthen are separated from my ex of sixyears I would then spend some time on myown I spent two and a half years on myown I think it was really reallyimportant to find you as a person ofcourse so yeah I did a bit ofsoul-searching I think during that timeand figuring out who I was and what Iwanted in life because I find in arelationship when you spend a long timetogether you just become a couple yeahrather than an individualyeah and I lost myself I didn't know whoI was anymore what I wanted so yeah Ithen spent some time on my own joinedthe police and then I met my most recentex who's my daughter's father and wewere together 10 years so yeah I didn'thave my daughter until I was nearly 30right okay okayso when my daughter was four months oldI then set a business orso I was still a police officer but Itook maternity leave for 30 months tobring her up and I set my business up sokeepsake company it's called made frommemories basically I make handmadekeepsake bears out of outgrown babyclothes that's a fantastic idea yeah yesso it's it's it's massively popular andI've got a massive following now so I'vebeen doing it for six years and I alsomake the some remembrance cushions outof granddad shirts you know from familymembers that have passed or teddy bearsout if I mean I get a lot of people likethey've lost their partner to cancerI've done bears made out of soldieruniforms because mum mums have losttheir son in war in Afghanistan so it'shonestly it's I love it I absolutelysentimental is what it is and they're soindividual because obviously they'remade from the clothes belong to thatperson that's lovelyaslam something else I've just learntfrom you as well oh oh like I said itwas always property and obviously we gotspeaking that was that hard in a secondthere's a fascinating story here and afascinating lady's doing all theseamazing things because we touched on itprior to starting this interview withthem I want people who may may be in asimilar situation to yourself I been asingle parent having all theseaspirations and businesses on the sideto believe in themselves a little bitmore that they can go out and do so muchmoreyeah I mean I don't know how you fit inthis in by the way I'm gonna ask youthat because we all only have 24 hoursin the day which is fascinating andmaybe it's it's probably something youtouched on earlier in your life whereyou saw your dad the modeling aspect andseeing how hard I suppose he were tocome from one more background to giveyou and I think you've got two siblingsyou mentioned I have two young youngersistersTrisha Harvey who's my mentor actuallyin property who's an amazing individualand she does real live coachingand he's just I think maybe I mean Iwent to MMI I don't know if you'refamiliar with MMR themmind intensive if it's all to do withthe P yes er Becca if you haven't doneit you should definitely go basicallythey cover your money blueprint and howyou think about money and how you'remodeling from a child has affected thedecisions that you make regarding moneythat's very interests and I went andyeah I went and did that for three daysand a think I had a very very positiveidea of money and I think that's becauseof my dad money was never negative likethey came out with comments like richpeople of greedy people you know likeall negative connotations towards moneyand because I'd had such a positivethought on wealth and money because mydad God apart from my dad saying youknow wait till you get older how hardyou have to work for money yeah he dideverything was very positive aroundmoney and business and working so yeahbabe maybe that's where it all started Ithink so because I think I have probablyheard more negative connotations towardsmoney growing up and I suppose evenmyself having come from humblebackgrounds you do hear those sayingsmonies of you a whole evil and richpeople are greedy rich yeah growing upand having to change my own mindsetwhich has been an absolute minefieldyeah you know through reading andaffirmations and stuff I think you don'tnecessarily need to love money but youneed to at least understand the benefitsthat it can give you so I think it'sfantastic that you had that from a youngage and obviously you'll be able to passthat message on to your little one aswellyeah well incredibly actually hitting onHolly she I've been away for three daysin London and my sister's real lifeproperty event and my mum had mydaughter so I came home on Sunday topick her up and we were talking aboutthe future and everything and my mumsaid my daughter said that she's hadenough of school alreadysix sheshe loved school all about Ithink cuz it's getting harder nowbecause she's getting old she said toher Nana no no I don't I don't want tobe at school anymoreand my mom said to her Hollywell you've you've still got primaryschool and high school to do you've gota long time still in education and sheturned around so my mommy she says butbut Nana I'm going to do what my mommydid yet she says mummys going to help mebuild a portfolio of properties of sothat I don't have to stay in school andthat I can be a businesswoman just likeher fix I know I was like that's amazingand then I sat down and I was explainingsummer mom about passive income and thefact that I'm wanting to build up aportfolio for Holly so that she's gotthe choice of what she does so whethershe wants to work or set her ownbusiness up or go traveling I said Iwanted to have the opportunity thatshe's got the money coming through soshe can decide where her future liesrather then you know life dictating toher where she's going to be absolutely Ithink you hit the nail on the head daysit's it's all about choices in it anddefinitely if you can provide it withthat and I suppose that's kind of whereI'm looking at as well so similar toyourself in terms of like children and Iwant to kind of set my business up firstwhen I do choose to have kids I wantthem at a very early age to had thatmindset that house just displayed thereyeah and to know that there are otherways where you can if you use money theright way especially through propertywhich you both understand give them thatmessage at an earlier age it's onlyhelped them well Erin you I mean fromwhat I've read of you and seen of you inyour YouTube videos and that you'veyou've had a very similar sort of statusme because you've done several differentthings and had to find where you wereand in fact you being a social workerand me being a police officer it's allabout giving back is a hundred percentabsolutely and and you touched on itearlier as always said like there's moreto life than money and stuff and thatwas kind of the reason I gave up projectmanagement and working for a greatLondon companybecause I was like there's gotta be moreto life and that's kind of where I wentinto the Social Work sidemy only problem was I just realized theimpact I suppose I wanted to have inSocial Work I was unable to give andthat's the same as the place becausewhat I I joined to make a difference butbecause of legality is and thegovernment and the the yeah therestrictions of court and everything Ialthough I want to make that impact Ican't make that impact because thisrestrictions stopping me I supposethat's probably the reason you thenchose to go through property yeswell property's always been one of theseI was one of these who sat for hourswatching and and I've always lovedproperty in the excitement of you knowhaving having a dirty stone and makingit into a diamond sort of thing yeah youknow buy and also again my mission is tomake affordable housing to a highquality standard and made every house ahome I mean my company compass inproperty investment is all about givingpeople the right direction and makingevery house a home whether it's for atemporary accommodation until they findtheir forever home whether it's theirfirst home that they're buying as acouple or whether I'm providing aforever home for them it's just givingthem that feeling of being at home Ithink I think I'm as a student and alsomy professional life I've rented and youknow these rooms in houses or you know asingle-layer if you you don't abide tolet just never feel at home and that'simportant to me in my portfolio is tocreate houses that feel like home Joelat home that's a lovely message and Ithink I think everyone wants that dawnthere really I mean I try and do thatwith my tenants as well ways I try andlet them use it as their home so if theywant to decorate they want to do stuffthat's absolutely fine by me because heis about creating that home because letyou said we know what it's likehave that feeling of coming home asopposed to just staying somewhere whereyou think this is just a temporarymeasure and I think it's important youknow with regards to keeping yourtenants as well because if you providesuch an amazing environment for themthey're safe and clean and tidy if theywant to stay there because it does feellike home absolutely yeah I mean I'vehad no change obvioustouchwood so fingers crossed it stayslike that but yeah I just love thatmessage behind what you're trying to doin property so I need to ask you nowbecause obviously we've touched on allthese amazing things you're doing I'msure you probably miss some stuff out aswell what's your what's your what's yourdaily routine like then so being asingle mother getting into property andI've seen some of your cracking dealsthat you've got lined up now working inthe police force as well you're intohealth and fitness which you haven'tmentioned but I know that from stalkingyour profile so what other things areyou doing and what what's the kind ofday in the life like for you oh my mydays are absolutely crazyI can imagine I'm not gonna lie it theyit is bedlam because I obviously splitwith my ex a couple of years ago so hehas my daughter a few days a week whichalso allows me to have some time to getthings done I only work part-time in thepolice now so I work Monday TuesdayWednesday every week and I then have mybusiness my keepsake business howeversince I went to MMI and looked at mybusiness and growing the business andcoming out of the business because theproblem with me at the moment is I'm ineverything and I've now now I've comedown this mindset journey and going intoproperty and with my mentoring andcoaching with Trisha I've now realizedthat I need to come now I've set thingsup and they're going really well andI've built up a massive client base Ineed to come out of it because my timeis precious and if I invest all my timein one thing I can't do anything else soI've actually recently taken on twoladies that I'm going to train up tomake my keepsakesthat's going to be basically handed overto them and then I will just manage itwhich is then going to free up some timeto do more on the property side whichI've just started but like you hit onAren of you know I've already got twodeals and they're big projects the likeeight bed HMOs that I'm also juggling inbetween and I'm sure you know the amountof viewings that you have to go on tofind these deals absolutely it'sinspiring to see what what you're doingbecause like I said I keep saying it butinitially I thought was just propertythen obviously getting to know you overthe last month or so I'm hearing howmany other things you're doing and ifanything it makes me feel quite lazy tobe honest because I'm like oh I haven'tgot a child to look after I haven't gotan occupation where I need to be thereMonday to wednesday so and yeah I knowhow difficult it is it's literally yougot to get used to the word know you'vegot to get used to rejections you wantto be on the ground 24/7 so it'sinspiring and hopefully inspires otherpeople is well out there who may yeahthink having being a single parent orhaving a part-time job or a full-timejob is a way to kind of excuse them fromnot aspire to there's no excuse there'syou are your own worst enemy the reasonyou don't succeed in life is because ofyourself and it's and I'm a greatbeliever in taking action if you don'ttake action you don't take risk nothingever changes and the thing is if Icarried on doing what I've always done Iwould just remain where I've always beenso exactly so what I've done is it isdifficult I'm not going to lie it's hardwork but I've done so much changerecently and so much on the mind setbecause mine's it's so important becauseto me if you're your heads not in thegame you're not in the gameyou know and it massively you need to betelling yourself every day reminding youyou can do it I mean every day I writedown my successes I do my five successesevery day I also write my goals down soit's important thatyou know what your goals are you knowyour your quarterly goals your yearlygoals your five yearly goals ten andyour 20 year Li goals because it givesyou something to aim towards I think Ihit on that earlier about how importantyour goals are to make you drive towardsthem and obviously looking you hit onearlier as well the affirmations anddeclarations it's it's all about youknow getting you and your mind in theright place and it's amazing how muchonly in a matter of a couple of monthsmy life has just gone upside down in agood way in a good way honestly thethings that are coming to me like theamount of investors that are contactingme for my projects because all myprojects are 100% investor led we do JVpartnership but I use zero of my ownmoney it's all investor money that paysfor my property is which and they get avery good return much better return thanthey would with the banks but as youknow Erin you do the same core samething so but it's so important becauseyou you know the these individuals arebuying into me it's not just about thedeal it's about me as a person and I'mvery positive but very brave and verymotivated I'm a very friendlyapproachable person which is veryimportant and I believe in myself oh yesI am a single mom yes I do own a busybusiness yes I do have a job and yes Ihave set a property business sort butI'm doing it it's so inspiring I meanI'm just taking notes here because Iwant to what I want to do from what youjust said days give single parents athome just a couple of tips there so thenumber one thing and this is somethingthat I've had to really really work onmyself in the last six months is believein yourself because irrespective of whatanyone else says whether it's your momwhether it's your partner your siblingsyou have to believe in yourself aboveall else and also if there's noif people around you you don'tnecessarily need to get rid of them butmaybe you've spent less time with themso if you're spending two hours a daywith those people maybe spend 20 minutesa day with them because the people thatare around you the the negativity that'saround you will only keep you where youare it will not move you forward I thinkthat's a great point because some peoplealways think how can I just get rid ofsomebody who's negative in my life yeahand we're not necessarily saying youneed to get rid of them what I do is Ikind of do this thing where I look atthem and I'll smile and nod but I'm notlistening to a word they're sayingif I know it's negative and at the sametime and that's mainly for people I knowI have to kind of be around but if it'ssomeone negative I do the same thing ortry and reduce your time with them youalso mentioned a very very good pointwhich is you write down your goals dailyyou do your lashes but I just want toquickly elaborate on something you saidthe five successes is that fivesuccesses that you want to achieve or isit five successes that you've doneperhaps the previous day no that day soit means every day yes at the end ofevery day I've got a success book just alittle book a notebook and I write theday and successes and I do five so itcan be as little as often it's theschool run I'm late on time and you knowwe get the thing the thing is we don'twe don't celebrate our small successeswe've achieved on a daily basis and it'sjust sometimes the little thingsespecially with people with depressionand I've been there just getting up andshowers and getting dressed for the dayis a massive achievement for somebodywith depression you know simply pickingthe phone up to ask for help when you'vegot depression that is a massive thingso it's little successes like I saidgetting to the school run on time goingand doing some viewings putting an offerin on a house networking with somebodyto possibly get another investor onboard for a project they're all littlesuccesses that believe you need tohighlight and and they they say aboutonce you write it down the mechanics ofyour brain work differently and ityou've you kind of take iteven better when she write it down sothat's what I do at the end of every dayI write down my five successes no matterhow big or small I love this so what youreferred to at the end I think it'scalled a reticular activation system isthat what it is yeah that's how you sayand it's kind of like these so an easyexample is if for instance you go outand you looking for a red car or you buya red car all of a sudden when you're onthe road you'll notice in that red careverywhere where it's prior to that youprobably didn't so I think if you cantune your brain in the right way thatyou're looking for opportunities you'reseeking better that better purpose orvision of your life you're going tostart attracting that sort of stuff andyou are just touched on somethingthey're really important about the smallwinsI suppose I'm guilty of this myselfbecause I will probably have a lot ofsmall ways in the day but I'm notgenerally in that probably the way Ishould so I'm literally written out herethat I'm gonna literally copy whatyou're doing there because I thinkthat's an amazing point to do I know thedepression stuff that you mentioned beshowering and little things like thathaven't haven't seen my mom strugglewith it for the best part of eight yearsI know that as a personal thing so it'sit's it's a fantastic point there andhopefully people listening to us couldtake that on board so it's not as easyas it sounds I suppose obviously we'dlike the Instagram success and we'relooking around on social media seeneveryone doing all these amazing things24/7 yeah but he's like you know Arenis do not ever compare yourself toanybody else that that is the worstthing that anybody can do you know focuson what you're doing where you'reheading what you're wanting from lifeand also you hit on yeah I'm a bigFitness nutrition that's one of thereasons actually Aren that I found youthrough your fitness journey to be fairbefore before the property journey and Imassively believe healthy body healthymind I have a very clean diet only inthe last four months have I started I doweightlifting and all of those peopleout there again single moms I don't goto the gym I do this from home but be inthe last couple of months I've lost astone and I'm only small anyway you knowI've always been slim but it's importantto methat you get every part of your life inbalance I think and and in your dietexercising you know they release so manydifferent chemicals that make you feelbetter about yourself so yeah it is hardwork trying to fit all of this inthought you know it makes such anincredible difference it does just haveto do itoops I agree I think it's it's justsmall wins no habits rather than lookingat the big picture I think thecomparison thing is a massive point butit's again it's easier said than done Ithink once you find yourself looking atstuff constantlyI would just news it I would just stopusing that up and just really try andfind yourself which is something thatyou mentioned before great stuff and sothe next thing I want to know is aboutadversity so you're very bubbly you'redoing amazing things and I'm sure likelike many of our listeners you've hadyour fair share of adversity as wellcould you if you wouldn't mind explain atime where you've perhaps been throughadversity maybe something recent Isuppose in your journey whether it's adeal falling through or somethingsomething significant that you thinkthat could normally break somebody willgive somebody the opportunity to presentthemselves with an excuse I mean we allhave struggles in life I mean only redlight it's it's quite recent only twoyears ago now like I said I split withmy ex and it's it's been difficult youknow I'm not I'm not gonna lie becomingbecoming a single mom knowing that hadmy business work you know all the otherday-to-day role the role of a mother tocontend with and juggle with it's beendifficult I I took the decision to endthat relationship which again was amassive you know because I my decisionwas going to affect three people notjust myself however I'm i sat one daywas like I feel lonely and I feelnegative and I feel unhappy and I'm in arelationship and that isn't what itslife's about you should be in arelationship you should feel adored youshould feel that that person bringsthe best of you brings out the bestversion of you and that they add to yourlife so that was a massive thing for meto do was to end a relationshipespecially when we had a young childtogether and almost stop being selfishbecause I had to think about the biggerpicture the future and obviously theposition of you know how it was going toaffect my daughter I suppose so yeah Imean I could have easily have just saidlook let's just carry on you know let'sjust make it work let's work harder atit but I had to make that decision tolike we've got to the end of the roadand it's it's not it's not making me anybetter it's not making him any betterand it certainly isn't going to make ourdaughter any better so I'd say that's amassive achievement in itself to makeand realize that you needed to makechanges Wow I think you just heard thereit is an achievement I think thinkingabout the bigger picture in that in thatscenario because I see spar - oftenpeople who are just unhappy in life yeahbeing unhappy you have to accept thatit's a choice and you've sat there andyou thought actually I need to make adecision here to change this and for thebetter and it seems like it's going forthe better I hope obviously the otherparty is fine as well and obviously yourdaughter's in it in a good place as wellso we've got a very amicablerelationship he's a great guy he's anamazing dad so and I could never takethat away from him but together I meanas a family unit we works but togetheras a relationship we didn't and and it'simportant for for everybody out theredon't be scared like I say so many timestwo friends of mine who are in happyrelationships but it's all about themoney and it's all about the securityand you know they're scared but I'd handon heart say it's not as hard as youthink it's going to be it really is andI suppose I'm guilty of it myselfbecause sometimes when you have to makea decision and if you know it's going tohurt one of the other parties I reallyreally struggle with that and it's onlyrecentI just kind of do like a five-fourthree-two-onea kind of a Mel Roberts approach whereI'm like okay five four three two oneand I'll just send that message out orI'll give him the cord yeah say themessage and like you said it's not ashard as you think and in hindsight Imean after a day or two you everything'snormally a lot better than probably thescenario you're telling yourself in yourhead exactly so what's your biggest fearthen my biggest fear I think he cycleokapi who is failure and doing somethingand not succeeding I've been veryfortunate the decisions that I've madein life of always I've always succeededover succeeded and everything that I'vedone even little jobs I've hadreception jobs at dental practices andthe the head dentist there is thenoffered to give me a position and as adental nurse I worked in adopts ofsurgery as a receptionist and got askedif I wanted to train as the practicemanager so people honestly people ofalways whatever position I've ever donein my life they've always seen somethingin me to go further than where I amhowever you always still have your ownfears and your own doubts about whetheryou can achieve what other people cansee in you so yeah I think that's one ofmy fit my just fear of failure and fearof not you know I suppose like Petepeople think that I'm going to be herelike a certain level and I'm like oh mygod am i you know am I gonna let yeah amI gonna let everybody downand I'm not gonna reach even theirexpectations of meyeah that's a massive fear of mesometimes and what what if so forinstance you did fail so say for is thisyour next venture in property it didn'tgo the way that you wanted it to goI mean I've struggled to believe thatyou would let that knock you down no Ibloody wasn't you know it's one of thosethings that you know what at thatparticular time that deal wasn't rightand it didn't work and you know there'smassive learningin it I mean already with my firstproject things are coming up that I'mhaving to get over I'm learning so muchalready because this property that I'mworking currently on is in aconservation area and I did realize thatthe loft extension in its been done andit's not got planning permission andthere's permitted development forcertain things so loft extensions areunder committed development but in aconservation area you basically can'teven move a treeyou can't cut hedges down you can'tchange windows you can't do anythingwithout planning permission so it's likelittle things like that but I'm learningbecause I'm now working with planningI'm now working with HMO offices youknow contacting I've got a tree that islike push the roots are pushing into theproperty so I'm having to get a surveydone but it's like now I'm in touch withthe councilI've spoken to tree surgeons and all ofthat just ask the mom database my youknow everything that I'm learning alongthe way and next time if things aren'tthat come up he's scary thought becauseI've dealt with it all really yeahabsolutely I would personally thinkjudging by that and say that yourbiggest fear is probably expectationsrather than at your failure because Ijust feel like you're just go throughyour learn and then you're you'll bebetter and you just kick ass next timebasically yeah definitelyand I mean I've I've gone very big withmy first projects because a lot ofpeople said oh my god Donna like it'syour first projects that it's aneight-oh and obviously we get all thepeople the negative people say you can'tdo a hecho mo for your project you'vegot to 1/8 birds for your first projectyou won't get the investors you can'tget a bridge loan because we deal withbridge loans and I'm like well it'sfunny because I'm doing all of thatexactly so but but it's only through thefact that my sister is my mentor that Iknow she's doing it she's gettingproperties passed through blanketarticle 4 areas people on the HMO groupswhich are also on our own are sayingthat's impossible that's impossiblethat'sso I don't even comment anymore it'spossible yeah absolutely it's justimpossible for them I would justliterally leave it I think it's ablessing in disguise that obviouslyyou've got Trisha there to help you aswell because I'm not she's doingfantastic things but you also have togive yourself credit as well for yourmindset yeah yes I'm sure she's been amassive catalyst and help but I justfeel that your enthusiasm and like yousaid anything you you generally touchyou will make a success of it so don'tforget to obviously give yourself praisethere as wellyes no no I I think I use my sister toremind me you know when my little voicecomes in over where yes yes I use mysister as my no she's done it no she'sdone it she's got those figures onrefinance she's managed to do that sowhy can't I so she's just I supposeshe's my little crutch at the momentbecause I haven't done it so when I havedone it I'll be saying well no I didthat last time you know I'm doingalready done that I just want to bringup that point as well you mentioned thelittle voice because I can so relate tothat and I'm sure there's many of mylisteners who have this little voice intheir head and the beautiful thing withyou just saying that there is we allhave that little voice so some of usmight sit there you might have thisself-doubt and believe that maybe thisjust isn't for me but when you startspeaking to people who are doing amazingthings and I'm sure Trisha wouldprobably say the same thing I bet youshe has that little voice as well but Ithink what we have to do is we have tolearn how to calm that voice down andkind of overpowering I suppose in it andalso reminding yourself that your littlevoice isn't you yeah that little voiceisn't you this is all your that's allthat all your insecurities all yournegativity all those it's like thelittle devil sitting on your shoulder itreally is telling you that it isn'tpossible that you can't do it but youcan because all you need to do is takeaction stay positive keep the the rightpeople around you and network with theright people and you can make anythinghappenabsolutely I love thatwhat we're gonna do now is we're gonnago into the fun part of the show andjust keep it that you have no ideawhat's gonna happen but oh my god it'sreally easyhopefully it's a bit of fun it's justsixty Seconds where I'm gonna ask youthe most random questions just to kindof give the listeners a little bit moreabout yourself and mix it up a bit soare you ready yes all right fantasticwe're going to start in three two oneokay romance or comedy a comedy Italianor Chinese Italian the best place you'veever been Australia cinema or bowlingcinema the ability to fly or beinvisible Oh probably to fly money orfame money horse riding or fashion horseriding Netflix our YouTube YouTubeSnickers or MarsSnickers every day favorite TV show everprobably friends speak all languageswill be able to speak to animalslanguage is your biggest inspiration atthis particular moment in timedefinitely my sister Trisha love it ifyou could sit with one person in theworld for an hour who would it beit's a queen you know would you ratherknow how you would die or when you weredying when if you could have polish onething in the world what would it bebullying your favorite song everStereophonics performance and cocktailsis there and the final question is wouldyou rather read mindsor predict the future read minds love itbrilliant that's it oh my god bless yait's more fun that way because you can'tplan for it really yeah okay so Ibelieve hindsight is obviously awonderful thing and it teaches us thatwe can get to places quicker faster andprobably with less money as well but atthe same time the journey does teach usa lot as well so what I want to know isif you could go back in time to maybeone moment where you were younger whatadvice would you give yourself yeah Ithink at school I got bullied which I'msure a lot of people went through so youknow if I wish I had my thoughts myfeelings of our positivity back when Iwas like 12 13 I said Terrywith my skin so yeah it was a hard timeduring my teenage years and I just wishI could go back and tell that personthat you know your you are stronger thanyou think you are and these people it'stheir own insecurities it's their ownissues with themselves that are causingthem to bully you yeah so I I own ouslywould not change a single thing that hashappened in my life because it's beenWho I am today for like you said if Ihad to go back I would love to tell thatlittle girl the life will be good life'sgonna be amazing you just need tobelieve in yourself I love itI hate bullying like when you said thatyes named with me because I've hadfamily members suffer with it I was Isuppose I was very fortunate that I wasquite popular at school so I kind ofnever really in aspect but even nowgrowing up and becoming I suppose moreintelligent more emotionally aware Isometimes keeping myself how I neverreally like intervened or stopped sortof you know how yeah kind of laugh withthe crowd and I suppose that yeah that'sjust as bad really but at that time yeahso you feel like you'd you feel like youshould have stood up myself for thatbecause if I ever see anything now as aman I'd always jump in but as a kid Isuppose you're almost kind of worried Isuppose that if you jump in then you'regonna be at the crux of everyone's jokesyeah I think social medias happen interms of bringing it out there so whenthere are these cases going on and I'veseen quite a few terrible stories it isbringing the importance that you knowthis just isn't acceptable because itwas such a long term effect but I'm soglad that it hasn't obviously affectedyou too much because now you're doingamazing things and inspiring yeah andand you know what it's quite nice nowthat I'm older and I am successful and Ilook back on those people at that timewho aren't doing very well now and I'mlike that's because of the decisionsthat you've taken because of the actionsyou know and how you're behaved isresorted to where you are today and - tobe honest I'd love to sit down with themreallythen reflect on their decisions and whatthey're doing in their life to maketheir lives better yeah absolutelybrilliant so sadly that actually bringsus to the last question of the day andthe last question I always ask my guessis if in a 150 years time and sciencefails to save us and all that is left isa book on a table and that book is aboutyourself it's about your life andeverything that you've accomplished inyour life what would the title of thatbook be and what would the blurb tell usabout you oh what a question the titlewould definitely be never give up hmmlove it so doesn't matter how hard itgets doesn't matter how many obstaclesget in the way it doesn't matter howmany people tell you that you can't doit just never give up because I can tellyou now if you just keep striving forwhat you want you will get what youdeservenever give up obviously that's amotivational thing it's something that'swhy people but when they turn it over Iwant them to understand the author alittle bit so what will it say aboutDonna I think it will say that I was avery hardworking forward-thinkingbubbly motivated person who at themoment even I just want to help so manydifferent people so yeah I just hopethat even just 2% of my energy rubs offon people and and I think like after thereal life event that we've had thisweekend the amount of people that cameup to me and said oh my god you've madethis weekend amazing because of yourenergy and your Drive and how positiveyou are and it really is buzzed me offI'm like I'll just feel like I'm oncloud nine now so yeah I thinkand that's the sort of lastingimpression I live on people and I hopethat's the lasting impression on peoplebecause that's what I want to do I wantto make people feel like anything ispossibleabsolutely I'm confident in well becauseI think your infectious you remind me ofa good friend of mine sunny yes we yeahwe both know sunny day I've not met I'venot had the pleasure it's a meeting yeahbecause unfortunately we've had torearrange a couple of meetings but yeshe's another individual I'm lookingforwardabsolutely it's just good to be aroundpeople who can lift you up especially ina world where there's always negativityflying around it's always good to bearound positive people yes just beforewe close the show I want to give themyou an opportunity to let the listenersconnect with yourself where would youtell him to come and find you yes oh I'meverywhere at the moment very quicklyyeah luckily because I've already got abusiness I know how it all works oh I'vealready got an Instagram accounta compass property investment I'm onFacebook compass property investmentalso under my own name Donna Marie Pegganyone can contact me there I've gotemail it can contact me for email soyeah everything's up and running andI've even bought my domain for mywebsite that will I'm sure be gettingset up within the next 12 monthsyes so I'm I know how to be out thereand in your face that's Brad becausethat's what I want I want the listenersto be able to connect to you so wouldyou say Facebook as a first point ofcourse yes definitely Facebook I do farmore on Facebook than anywhere else sothey can find me through my personalpage Donna Marie peg and it's open tothe public now it never used to be acompass property investment page whichis also activeit's got ongoing updates what projectsI'm working on I'll be doing live videoson their videos if the properties showyou how my build team are getting on andalso I'm wanting to use italso a little bit like a blog so youknow they so they can see what I'm doingwhen I'm doing it how I'm doing it andalso what things I'm coming up againstso because I'm hoping to use it as a wayof teaching others the you know this isthe problem I've come up against this ishow I've got around it this is what I'vedone these are the people that havecontacted this is the strategies are putin place so I'm also teaching people tothe things that I and the self and Iknow you've had problems along the waybut I hope that by sharing the problemsthat I've had it will allow them toeither avoid the problems or deal withthose problems head-on because they'vehad the information and the tools thatthey need to get past it really okay sowhat I'm gonna do is I'm gonna add allof those links and the Instagram which Inever knew about so I'll add that aswell in the challenge I'm standing hereon Instagram my compass propertyinvestment group because I was actuallylooking this morning I think it wasbefore we started this interview I waslike is she on Instagram and I wastyping in Donna I couldn't find anythingno made from memories so made frommemories are on there my keepsake bearsand my property I haven't got a personalpage because I think it's him back on tothe gym and fitness and outfitting it'ssomething I imagine to go into possiblysetting up a business aimed towardssingle parents so single moms singledads and giving them a place that theycan have no reason to not go becausethere's childcare in their package intheir membership package and I thinkthat's something that I'm going to aimwith my purse maybe set up a personalInstagram and you know build that uparound the setting of her gym PTsessions with mums single mums andsingle dads to allow them theopportunity to always focus on theirtheir health and their physical exerciseregardless of having children I love itas if you haven't got enough to doyou're gonna sellso everything else is being ran byeverybody else because this is what youdo you set the businesses or can youcome out of the business then it givesme the time and the freedom to do theother things that I love so muchno that's brilliant I think I certainlyrecommend sit in a pair a personal one Ikind of do the same thing I have apersonal one I have a property one Ihave a social enterprise or now I'vejust I had a podcast one is also it'salmost my job that's right yeah findyour voice podcast yeah fantastic I'llhave to follow you back straight afterthis Donna I just want to say a massivethank you for taking time out of yourday to share your story I'm veryconfident it's gonna inspire many manypeople and to the listeners at homethanks for listeningmy absolute yeah thank you very much forasking me I read and remember thispodcast is absolutely free so all we askin return is for you to share this witha friend and drop us a 5-star reviewover on iTunes have an awesome day See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Find your voice - Episode 11 - My Little Spartan - Michael V Kalisperas #11Tagline: "Unleash your inner spartan..."Apologies in advance for the sound quality on my end. Technical issues certainly played their role. But in true spartan fashion we kept going.Michael Kalisperas life turned upside when his son was hit with a number of health conditions due to the neglect of a midwife. Sadly his beautiful son's life had changed which would have a knock on effect to Michael and his family.However determined to not let this get him down, Michael continued to take action and let his excuses be a thing of the past. Realising his own excuses and rationales to avoid doing the hard stuff are so insignificant compared to the battles his son, and daughter face on a daily basis he ensured he crushed his goals.A successful property investor, an author, a father and loving husband Michael story is one which touched my heart.I reached out personally when I first heard his story because he genuinely changed my whole perception on the way I view my life or sometimes feel about my own situation.I urge you all to ignore the sound defects, which I take full responsibility for and listen to this incredible man's story.Thanks for listeningFree Audible book sign up:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Audible-Membership/dp/B00OPA2XFG?actionCode=AMN30DFT1Bk06604291990WX&tag=are86-21Best book on Mindset by Carol Dweck: Mindset https://amzn.to/2QajMvZSupport the podcast: https://www.patreon.com/findyourvoiceLinks to me:Website: https://www.arendeu.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/aren.deu/Twitter: https://twitter.com/arendeuFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/aren.singhLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aren-deu-65443a4b/Podcast: https://www.findyourvoicepodcast.com YouTube: http://tiny.cc/51lx6yLinks to guest:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mikekalispera (Personal)Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/EffusiveMarketing/ (Facebook group)Michaels book: https://amzn.to/2RUZ7MS#JustDeuIt & #FindYourVoice[Music]welcome to an episode of find your voicea movement led by yours trulyAren do a guy who has overcomecrippling anxiety adversity anddifficulty like so many of you in lifewhose main goal now is to help youcombat your excuses take control of yourlife write your own story and mostimportantly find your voice so nowwithout further ado I welcome the hostof the show himself mr. Aren do what'sgoing on people thank you for tuning into another episode of find your voice myname is Aren and as always I am thehost of the show so it's very rare thatI will stop a podcast especially at theend of it just to kind of find out whothe individual is now I'm not saying Idon't get inspired or motivated bypeople but generally speaking I'm justkind of excited for the next podcasthowever on this particular occasion afew years ago I actually pause thepodcast towards the end of the show nowthe only problem was I still had therest of my car journey to go so I waskind of sitting in silence but it wasworth it because I really wanted to senda message to this individual who I'm nowvery grateful to have on my podcast andI sent a message out to Michael to kindof say thank you for the inspiration forthe motivation and more importantly Ihope things really do progress a littlebit easy for him I suppose in life andspeaking to him in this interview it'sdifficult to say how things got easierbut one thing I can say is that he'sattitude is still the same he'swillingness to just go out there andtake action and not be a victim of hiscircumstances is fantastic and that'skind of what this podcast is about it'sabout eliminating your excuses it'sabout pay with the cards that you'redealt with it's about literally thinkingokay this is what's happened now how doI change this how do I go out into theworld and really find my voice and kindof write my own story so I think I'mgoing to leave it thereI just want to say before it starts Idid have some teething issues with theWi-Fi so we actually have to do a zoomcore wherewhich was fine for videos butunfortunately some of the Sam when I wasediting it back wasn't quite as clear asI had hoped because I was using mylaptop speaker as opposed to my mic thatI'm now recording this intro with sohopefully you can bear with this becauseI think more important than the soundquality is the message and the storybehind Michael's life so without furtherado let's get this interview on the wayokay so I am here today with my courseobviously I want to say thank youMichael for taking time out of your dayand there how are you doing today youngI'm very well thank yougood stuff good stuff so I think it'simportant for the listeners to reallystart to understand your story fromyourself so if you could please explainhow you progress through life yeah sureprogress through life as it seems like aI'm 42 in them in literally a couple ofweeks time so it's February you know sonot long I'm gonna be 42 so other knowwhere to begin to go through the wholelife scenario but I've done quite a lotof things I guess I could go back toeven school where I would say I wasprobably not the best at school and notreally someone that was a you know inthese special sets as they call himbecause I wasn't really interested inschool I didn't feel the vibe at schoolI just didn't you know bond with theteachers if I'm being honest but my lifecompletely changed where when I went tocollege and you meet a different type ofteacher and different environment and itwas a bit more more creative more myfeeling you know what cuz I've alwayscome from a creative background I'vealways been like an artist as such andthen I ended up pretty much ending upgoing to to university ended up at deMontford University and doing them so wecall multimedia design and marketingbasically which was basically it wasmultimedia and I left there and a lot ofmy friends ended up in the 3d world fromfrom from those sort of forces and endedup her kind of like playing games forSony Playstation so I'm got a real whileyeah got really good friends I'm quitewell in that and then and I ended upbasically showcasing my work they theyasked for a few people to earnto showcase their work at an exhibitionin London I think it was the Olympia Ican't remember the actual name of thevenue from being asked me so many yearsago and it was a big place and and theyhad about I don't know six of us theshowcase our stuff so they picked peoplethat they wanted to showcase at thisshow and it was just like a sort of likegreatest show and Khaitan story short Igot a head hunted by my boss back thenCharla Crais for the BBC ended upworking at the BBC basically doingdesigns and websites for them and yeahwe touched on many many areas it waswithin a group of people as a lot ofthese companies are and so I was in thedesigner group and basically designwebsites ranging from Teletubbies tocrime watch Top Gear yeah yeah very veryvery very very varied set of you knoweven like you know History Channel maybewe've seen so it was really it was adepartment called fracture and learningback at the time I think they've got ridof the actual Department have somethingelse it's called a different name nowyeah and I was in and I didn't staythere as long as I could of I decided toleave I don't know what it was I comefrom originally London actuallyironically but most of my life wasbrought up in a small village calledMulford where they've got the movinhills and more than spring water and allthis kind of thing and it is a bit likehouse on the prairie kind of thing andas when I lived there I can't wait toget out and you know escape and get intoUniversity and all that sorcerer and andmeet people and but when you go to thelike concrete jungle and kind of thinkon what god what is this AZ yeah yeahit's kind of like we start realizing youknow my dad says it is well he lived inthem the most of his life I actuallycame over here with nothing I mean heliterally had no money for shoes heliterally came with nothing from fromCyprus and he started up and he's donewell for himself through hard graft andhe he said to me I will I won't go backto London even if someone pays me youknow younot because he doesn't like Londondidn't love it you just just just founda different vibe somewhere else simpleas that and I think for me it's the samefind different vibe I still go to Londonoften I'm going for five days literallyin the next day date in half I'm goingthere for five days you're going in outof business and meet people and you knowso yeah it's a it's I love it a littlebit but to live there it's a differentworld he's in itdifferent world I lived there bought ahouse on the outskirts of it was a waswell II did the Olympics actually nowreally wish I didn't sell it I ended upselling it because I got squatter's youbelieve that I so that's my first trueinvestment and actually that propertynow is worth about seven hundredthousand I bought it about 115 I thinkit was i sold actually actually i onlyhad it for a year and I sold it but Imade 40k profit in that point that's loque ya I can't complain and it was a butstill I can't complain absolutely mypoint of doing it in keeping up was Ialways I always thought back there Iused to watch location occasionally allthose programs and I always wanted tobuild my own house I just wanted mightget buy land above my house and you knowobviously working in London you knowyou've got to be pretty sorted you knowsign up and bloody you know 23 years oldor whatever was coming about what andyou know the reality is that to buy landin Londonabsolutely from some guy in Morphin youknowand yeah just bought that property nothe plan was to keep it butunfortunately got screwed over yeah yeahand I was kind of like I just lost thewill to live my eyes I have to get ridso yeah ventually got rid of them andthey trashed it as well because althoughI Franky refurbished it and they trashedit which was really nice of thembut hey and it's one of those and it I'mback in it now yeah back into propertywell I wanted to do it quicker if I'mbeing honest with you I bought my ownhouse back in Melbourne after I sold mymy house therebought my own house back in well whenthat was brick building you knowsomething come up whilst we're comingout of the recession a boy at therecession period which was the worstthing can do I look because I'm soparanoid I was stuck on a highfixed-rate back of n so back then whenrates were going down to ridiculousamounts I was on a 6% or something crazyand it was but it was high right at thewrong time but there was there's off atthis something there's nothing betterthan having a peaceful kind of like youknow as long as you can work bloody harddid all the hours of possibly do tocover it and literally you like workingand everything was going straight intothat pretty much but I truly believe youknow if you can get through the hardtimes that you know the green the greensgrowing you know absolutely is notgrowing yeah so no it was a it was worthit it was worth it and there's my myfirst house and I say proper house 5bedroomed detached properties in it yeahlots of people of them you know donethings with you know the great thingsbut at the time that was the right thingabsolutely how so some wonderful thingisn't it yeah absolutelyso that's took you back into property Iused still actively a property investorknows that where you kind of callyourself or ya know it's a bit weirdbecause I mean I think digress in thatlast question I'm I got back intoproperty after my son was made severelydisabled basically we basically had mybeautiful son bornVasili born completely healthy came homewith him completely normal and then amistake by the Midwifenot following certain procedurebasically ended up with a catalogue ofmistakes not just the Midwife we forgavethem publicly in the newspapers which ispretty damn hard to do because you knowthere was blatant mistakes I mean whenyou go to the report that they did itwas like there was several mistakes andit basically you know from having abeautiful child born healthy coming homeyou know healthy we've got a child nowthat's severely disabled trapped in hishot and wheelchair pretty much trappedin his body and declared blind deaf withspastic cerebral Z so I mean he's realcontrol is his tasteyou know and that was hard we were toldhe was blind to completely weave andsort of like therapy and all sorts ofstuff we research in America and and youknow not too long ago we had somereports saying that he's they put someprobes on his head and the reckon hecould see now and that really just aboutthat he was completely deaf but wepainful taking a decision while they'reyoung to put them through horribleoperations but but we put him through anoperation that has given him like therobotic sound if you know I mean so okhe's got something called Cochlear'swhere they kind of drill into the headthey put a magnet processor goes on thatand then they put some probes orwhatever goes straight down into thecochlea and now that goes back to aprocessor and so he can hear like andthe best way I describe it to people iswhy we've been described we've been toldit is Americans used to talk yeah that'show he can hear pretty much so he'llpick some things up certain spectrumsome sounds he might not be able to pickup but um generally you know but hereacts to me he knows me his mom heknows that's the love it definitelyresponses without that just give me anexample but the amount of light therapythey put on him is basically that youput it had he his blood was poisonedpretty much had to do platoons but theythe way they can sort of negate thatthat the increase of bilirubin whichhelped cause brain damage was put himunder the lights and they did that for alot of premature children actually butbut they put him under the lights and hewas that much under the lights that heactually looked like a black child andhe was you know you know at work witholivey skin but generally kind of whiteyou know but he look like a black childand you know I will never forget andI've got him on my phone I meanliterally I've just got him on my phoneand it's a reason to have a picture ofhim on my phone like this the reason whypeople think it's probably weird why doI have him as a screen saver as my childwith all these tubes in him you know uphis nose on his arms everywhere probeseverywhere and looking it's likecompletely you knowokay but the reality is I'm really proudof him that's why that's his that's hisdefining moment you know they survivedthat and no matter how much crap hashappened since in the last almost sevenyears literally I look at that photo andwhen I'm feeling it and I've had a lotof crap come on trust me within a lot oflocals when I'm really feeling thatthinking how dare I even complain youknow I complain this kid has gonethrough everything you know and hesteals your perception and killseverything that is your lifee absolutelyyeah yeah I'm even using that now on mydiet I'm on I want to call it alifestyle change a lifestyle yeah I lovethat change but I've lost like almost Iwas it I was 17 pound 17 stone - alrightand I put on weight free depression 17pounds - - and with just over threeweeks on and I'm I'm 1510 now so babyit's a big drop for a short period timeand that's because of him you knowbecause I just think I thought screwthis I can't I can't keep killing myselfabsolutely but it's a property yeah I'dsay I'd say that was my defining momentI needed to do something to help my sonand to have my family well we're inhospital whilst all that stuff was goingon with transit bills coming in neededto pay and what people don't show you isyou know obviously you don't have thesupport you know the supports maybe lateIran after a while a little bit ofsupport here in there so it's charitablesupport you know if you get a casethrough negligence then you get supportlater on down the linebut even then you've got support wherepeople assume or you know you thoughtyou got proper support your support soit's actually like that last night youknow I had about four hours sleep whichis standard now most people don't getthat they think that's weird but that'sstandard for us and like we've got withthree carry Shaw so you know my wife andI cover in that you knowI got full-time care 24/7 well he'ssupposed to Apple we've never hadfull-time 24 not for seven years it'sjust impossible it's just we struggle toget people you know what you get it it'slike it's like yeah unfortunately ourhome has become a business in terms oflike it's a care home you know but youknow what in the last year he's beenreally stable so you know it's taking alot more there's less hospital visitsand stuff like that so you know he'sbeen really really stable and you knowhe sees making massive massive strides Imean he was declared blind he wasdeclared deathwe know he can see now he's using on Iguess how much he can see we don't knowI truly believe it's with the therapy wedid with that research we did withChristine Ramon which basically involvedputting a torch in the eyes andswitching on and off watch the peopleopen and grow he'd never met a flinch totalk through the light and he couldflinch and then so at night me and mywife throughout the night with takingturns and just through four hoursyou know switched it has to be tungstennot a blue like they can screw throughthe eyes er it has to be like thoseold-fashioned boulders you know yellowones and yeah and you just watch hisbody so he's like my sergeant is I Irecite which open and grow grew andclosing and and yeah off and theneventually after months of doing thatonce I think is my wife in the in thebathroom she was he wasn't sleep andseals up with him and she was just doingit bless her persevering on and she'sjust called me and I'm not military wentin there and the lights were all off Iput the lights on and I put the lightson because you had a torch and hechanged the hell Wowand she goes let's see he did it to youas well I'm like wow that's crazyso ya know it's mine it's mine so isthat and then again he was fed throughthe tube and we retrained him through alike a milk bottle he couldn't move hismouth off he couldn't in his braindamage basically he's brain damaged butand we used to squeeze the teat you knowand then move his bottom of his chinwith our finger just dissolved so gethim into a sort of like you know any nowhe takes it takes food from the weekendfrom Holly is itit's it's been hard it's been hard manbut you know perseverance what can I sayand that's what it is and I think it'sdifficult because obviously I can'trelate to anything that you've gonethrough in that situation but using thatas an example so my foster siblingssay pastor Simmons there were initiallyfoster siblings we went through specialguardianship so three of my siblingshave had similar what's gonna call itdisabilities growing up as well so forinstance the older one he's got a mentalage which is less than half his agewe've got one who's on the autisticspectrum yeah and when they came into mylife a little bit which is why Iresonate with your story a bit is itchange my whole perception of life andeverything that I used to mourn aboutthe silliest things now I'm grateful forand I know you know we all sending outquotes every single day and we're alltrying this positive beacon of light butI genuinely had them within my followersas well similar to yourself and it'snear when I'm there feeling crappy orfeeling sorry for myself because I don'tknow the car tires flat or somethingsomething daft perspective but thesekids are finding them much harder battlethem then I'm having to fight and yesit's commendable because I don't want tomake this about property because anyonethat wants to know my calling propertiesnew fantastic and you've got podcastsout for that and you can reach out tohim afterwards but this is more aboutyou as a person who's taken this use youchange the perception you've dealt withthe cars that you are handed it's notfair I can't explain only thing anyonecan explain why weird out certain cardsbut all we can do is play with them thebest way that you can a new kind of Iknow you very quickly scaled up afterthat and maybe that's because your backwas against the wall I suppose and yeahyou spy on me I mean there's a myfavorite quote and I promote it in oneof my groups could effusive entrepreneurit's called it's from Jack London andit's a it's basically about you knowplaying a bad hand well basically yeahand there's an ace of cards you know aceof hearts on the card you can you canalways play a bad hand well and sobasically don't even if you you can dofeels like on them on the outside of ityou might feel like you're losing it'show you play or how you react to thatthat counts so example is in propertyis I mean add a commercial toresidential big oneI'm Birmingham it's 15 rooms in the endand it was my my first commercial and mysecond project in property and I prettymuch jumped the gun a bit but we haveeverything complying at us literally andit was really stressful and at the sametime as going through moments or likeI've been for my own health careproblems I was going through cancerscare myself and there's a lot going onobviously my son and you know dealingwith deal certain builders oh my godnightmare and getting things wrong andit was just you know massive learning wehad contamination issues we had we hadall sorts of problems just cracking onbut you know again look at my my son onmy photo on my on my phone and I talkabout my son but I actually used my sonas a metaphor for my family yeah becausemy kids that my children Ellie Maria twogirls they're just as amazing Maria forinstance she's actually disabled as wellbut people don't know it and she's gotsome good Zubaz syndrome where middlepart of her head the brains not fullyformed and really rare and it can happenby being sheared and my bum or I've beenshitty stressed at birth and it can beit can happen from genes and allsomething that it's not our genesbecause we checked them and you know itbasically she's got autistic issues shecould go blind that she grows olderbecause the protein doesn't protect hereyes and all this kind of stuff but shecould have been worse I mean apparentlythey're not supposed to have balance andcan't walk but she she fires us all Imean she was she was born and had wasshaken her lace and Eliza liked she hadnystagmus and head wouldn't stop shakingso she's trained a brain to you know toplanets her eyes and and she's learnedyou know to keep straight and she she'stalking to normal school she's doingeverything she's you know she's onlyfour or five now and she's doing reallyreally well and I she's got littletantrum tantrums but not doesn't quiteunderstand certain stuff but I mean I'dsay but now she's still more behavedsome children I know that haven't gotnearly so I classI think I don't sort of put out therejust because she's not disabled reallyyou know he is on paper but she's not sofor me you know it's almost like my sonwas brought there to sort of like helpus deal with the shit that's to come ifthat makes sense my thought was likethat and we didn't have no problemsbefore and all the stuff for theproperty stuff I don't I think whatwould have hit was hard but goingthrough sheer hell you know when my sonreally sort of prepared us a lot for alot of stuff oh it came I understandthat but I think sometimes it's funnybecause I don't wish anyone to really gothrough pain it's not yeah yeah but thatmakes me feel sad when I know people aregoing through pain but sometimes I feelpeople need to experience some level ofadversity you know not to really findfocus and change their life as well andas much as I'm trying to tell peopledon't wait for that wake-up call forexample don't wait for to find out thatyour child may need extra care forexample or you've been hit with theillness get out there and do it now andI suppose it's easier said than donebecause if nobody's having to live thelife Safe Routes that you've lived forexample yeah well like my siblings theydon't really have that agency my it'sfrustrating I get frustrated because I'mlike we are so blessed like beyond meanseven what we're doing now being able tocommunicate how we eyes Isis anythingyeah absolutely I mean there's so muchhorrible stuff out there in the worldand it's just you know it's crazy to youknow to to not be grateful for whatwe've got and and and you know when yousee people that are grateful whenthey've got little and we've all beenthere we've all been them in some way inour minds we've been at the greatest oflows and it could be from spitting outwith your boyfriend or girlfriendit could be splitting up with you knowyou know a JV partner I don't know thepoint a point is you know at that pointit could be serious the most absolutelow you know you could have healthissues cancer issues family there's allsorts we've had that as well in thisperiod and that n is it's not great it'snot great but at the same time you knowI've always said one of my sayings islike you know we will never you knowwe'll neverI don't get my words up today well we'renever given a Golden Pathit was never we never no one promised usanything you know and so and so like ifyou want something you've got to go andget it you either fail or you successfall you know and if you're successfulgreat if you fail get up and do it againand keep trying that and even if you'vegot no money or anything there's alwaysaway you know and you know what worstcomes to the worst I'm dying fromsomething it's if you've got your mindin the right mind and you think you knowwhat I was conceived that's amazing Ilived a few years that's amazing if youget your mind in the right mind youstill be grateful even when you're dyingyou know I mean and we've seen otherwitness people like that you know yeah Ilove that mindset you just touched onsomething and make sure we add it at theend of the show you've got a group youjust say yeah I've got I've got a groupit's called the effusive entrepreneurokay so anything about stuff like theseentrepreneurs is in the name but aboutyour mindset as well well it's actuallyI do marketing I do it mine only amarketing training and that's like alittle group I actually put more effortin my closed group which is people in myarm in a number the thing for me is likeI literally had a VA that was helping meout on that side of thingsand she literally went AWOL live justrandomly went AWOL and I don't know whathappened I really don't know but she'sfrom Philippinesit just went AWOL so yeah looking at adecent VA at the moment I think I foundonewe'll see how it goes but yeah now Ineed to push push put more engagement inthat group from being honest with youokay yeah I know it's a great group I'vegot loads of people about I think about300 people in the group yeah I doengagement but not as much as I likeI've got a couple of other groups havegot one called it's magnetic marketingsystem is another group it's justbasically a really secret one groupwhere it's just the people that I trainarm property marketing getting leadsabout business and all that kind ofstuff an investment it's a small verysmall group at the moment I've got a fewpeople that you guys know some reallygreat people successful people right inthere and yeahso that's going really well gonna beopen that up again soon um yeah justI've got my event in London that'scausing a lot of bloody Wow yeah my sonright that's marketing again it's goingto be we've got we've got a Khadija theapprentice star she's gonna be therewe've got a YouTube expert you know he'shelped Samuel Leeds get from 50,000 to150,000 something a lot you know he'stalking it's all about marketing it'sgonna be it's gonna be awesome and canfit about 480 people at the MarriottHotel in London it's my event bigpressure on me it's only 16th and 17thof March this year prices start at 97pounds but you get actually what we'redoing now we get got this programactually that I'm affiliated to andwe're going to be offering people freeaccess to this program which is you knowpretty amazing yeah any other ticketprices which basically covers theircosts on the bottom ticket easily andbasically they could create landingpages you know can forgive the emailsystem within it so if you want to buildyour own website that's the andtemplates in there so they get that forfreeI haven't launched it yet but you'veheard it here first on our I'm justgonna say you were saying your nervouslyI'm sure you don't need any moremotivation than just to look at yourphone before that exactly exactly thatmay be right yeah okay absolutely that Isee it I mean I guess that thenervousness is the fact that you knowit's a it's a big thing you'd love tofill it out you know you care about itcare about I've got 15 speakers and manycome from abroad there's people like youknow top and marketers making 40 50grand a month you know it's crazy but afigure of guy theretheir partnership guys and and and youknow it's yeah it's it's this pressureyou know but it's great it's great nowI'm like you know I'm one of these likeyou know it's easy for me to go easycoming to go you know what you've got totry these things what does Rob Moore saydon't the risk you know basicallyabsolutely yeah yeah I'm surewell yeah I'm so it's all quite a fewtickets not enough but we've only justlaunched so you know it's a it'ssomething we pushing out there lookforward to it make sure you mediainformation isafter this and I'll send you a signaturenotes it's automated I said it put a lotof people it's good for you know coachesanyone wanting to launch an event anyonethat's in marketing wants to do a bitmore marketing on their property and getsome really great bubbly gonna get sometools for itfantastic okay brilliant so you actuallydoing like more stuff than I knew aboutyou I know I know of course he's afull-time dad and I thought that wouldbe taking up all your time but here youare making your own events andeverything so another question then soyou're successful in what you've done interms of the property you're doing agreat job with your children and yourfamily so what's the day like from themoment you wake up tell you got like 17or yeah I bet I amI wake up about four or five in themorning right sometimes going to bedlate unfortunately but it's not mychoice no that's not by choice that'sactually by habit now that's initiallyit wasn't by choice now if I'm beinghonest with you the reality is I couldsleep a little bit longer but I've justit's just become me now if I can getsleep and I accidently sleep throughthat because all exhausted or whateverand and actually doing this diet it'sreally helping me so if my son doesn'tdisturb me and doesn't wake up and thatyou know I could easily go into 7:00you know easy yeah well it's it's justum it's just nice you know I actuallyget a good rest when I go to like eventsyou know you know so but my schedule isbasically get about four or five I Ialways turn ask me why it's reallystrange but I always always comedownstairs I eat a bananarandal cake I'm not banana manmy first thing I do a banana I go to myson I give him a really big kiss becausehe's exhaust get ready has his dinnerand he's get ready for his he's likespecialist school a given big kiss thegirls are still in bed and my son's lotobviously awake and then I start lookingat my schedule for the day I neverfollow it just to meokay he's organized work just look at ityes I'm aware of it because what happenswhen I start creating a website orlanding page for someoneor final for someone to help convert youknow get people to event or throughFacebook ads or whatever I'm doing forpeople I end up like getting engrossedin the computer and some way it's gonnabe supposed to be an hour it ends upbeing longer so so setting time becausefor me doesn't and and what I do is Ijust make sure I do the stuff and and Imake sure I do it at whatever cost andso I do I literally do that and I tryand mix it with the children like I havethe computer here in the living room momore often on by my bed upstairs on mybed believe in our it's not the bestcomfortable thing to do here because ofthe reception's better there you know abillion you get piece if the kids arekind of well-behaved watching TV I liketo kind of come here in that but if it'stoo noisy I just can't I just can't overthis I've got like a an outbuilding aswell that I converted for a trainingsuite and I've got an office there thatneeds a little bit more finishing offbut it's pretty much burn so I'm gonnastart and can start utilizing that morejust gets a bit cold I've got the heatis on there in that but it's like you gowarm it up for like an hour or so beforeand today I can't be asked you know justa lot stay upstairs on my bed and justdo my work you know not a great thing todo but now I've got a proper PT involvedwith my exercise we're gonna make itthat part of my schedule something to dothis year try and get you know not justuse the lose the the fat actually getsphysically more stronger and you knowgetting care scheduling for that atleast I think for me there's anything onschedule that I want to do I'm pushingmy marketing efforts because a lotpeople while so I've been my propertyjourney you know I've had a few podcastsand interviews and so on I've not reallypromote it'll push what I what I trainedin you know design and marketing and andI've had a few people approached me overthe years from property world and it'slike I've helped them massively I'vehelped people like were there you knowthey might have a 399 ebook and I makethem 15k within a couple of months injust Facebook ads butby promoting a book you know and it'sit's I know I'm good at what I do but Idon'tand III this is my biggest flaw I don'tlike selling I don't like selling andI'm one of rob mores mentors and I'vesigned up to his thing cuz I got reallygood at helping people value theirselves helping them realize their worthand he said something recently he saidhe said something about when people sayoh I don't need to sell myself I don'tneed yeah I don't need to sell myselfpeople come to me that's me that's meman I hate to admit it it's like I get Iget work it just comes to me right butactually imagine what I'd do if I shouldstart promoting myself you know leave itso much on the table yeah I'm leaving somuch on the table almost I almost don'tgive a crap because I'm designing my ownlife you know I mean yeah at the sametime if I really want to get to my goalmy goal is actually to eventually beable to afford to buy an Ironman suitfor my son some sort of give him theindependence thought we know that'sgonna cost millions and if I want to getto that goal at that you know at thatpoint then I'm gonna have to do betterthan this sort of like you know just youknow happy happy that enough workscoming my way and people using me thatway I think I should be you knowprofessionalizing myself a little bitmore and and valuing myself more to thepoint that I should promote myself it'sjust that there's a nervousness ofpromoting yourself I mean I think you'veprobably seen it amongst the the theforums and that people kind of thinkyour guru rising yourself or you knowlike oh god who's another personthinking a minute I had a businessbefore hello you know these peoplebusiness before and what you do inbusiness is you promote a market that'swhat you're supposed to do you knowthey're almost I allow myself to beaffected by other people's judgmentswhich you can't do even myself I mean Ipromote myself a lot more recentlyespecially in the last 12 months interms of like my own brand and me as aperson that initially was the hardestthing I've ever had to do and the wholepoint of like you need to know yourWorth and stuffwe were spoken to me I thinking one ofmy first jobs when I was young as aproject manager and my manager at thetime because I came out of meyou know when they ask you what'sspecial about you give three things asan icebreaker I was like nothing I'mjust I'm just me yeah he told meafterwards because he he listed like afew things that he found special aboutme and long story short he was that ifyou don't blow your own trumpet nobodyelse is gonna in this world because ofthe way the moment is and I don't knowyou always resonated with me and itstill took me the best part of seveneight years later on to real stuff I'mthinking if I can just do this and notreally worry about the engagement andkind of just be like look I've got amessage here I want to share it it comesfrom the heart it's honest if youresonate with it fantastic if you don'tnot a problem so it was difficult for usbecause they used to send it off andyou're kind of looking at your phonethinking what's gonna happen and nowit's kind of like I just Lars a andpeople ask me that how did you writecontent and I say I don't like reallywrite contact a kind of document like mylife kind of things like you've donesomething a property I'll speak about itif it's health and fitness I'll speakabout it if it's like an interestingmeeting I'll just speak about it andhopefully I always try and give peoplesome sort of tangible yeah informationthat they can take away I think youshould be that because I didn't know youwere doing all these amazing crazywonderful things yeah a bit here inthere I do you know I mean I'll get myflap out on flipping social media justto really put myself available to theworld you know that I'm gonna loseweight and I say I wrote i put a visionI put watch this miraculous journey ofthis of me this is anyway and I've doneit in three weeks already there's noultimate accountabilityyou know ridicules you that you're gonnabe it's embarrassinga whole lot the source stuff but at thesame time you know for the first time inmy life we have tried different dietssince what happened to my son I put alot of weight on the first time in mylife I'm facing it head-on so yeah ohyou and look at my fat mass yeah I'mhereabsolutely even my addictions and I callthem addictions because that's all I'veever eat and then it's like I literallyget urges for this stuff isn't my portmy secrets of this diet is I'm facing itand I call it the no BS lifestyle dietokay basically I put Pringles fizzydrinks and I've got a packet of Haribooutside of my bedoh no Quinn okay right and I sleep withthem by the side of my bed and I wakethat with the word webecause I had to face my addictions yeahyeah and it's a bit like that inproperty when people would like go totraining training training trainingtraining training training trainingtraining training the good mentors weresaying you got to do you've got to justyou know and and I you know I'm a coursedrinking I'm proud of it I'm proud of itI'm a course drunk eating for two mainreasons number one it's always good evenif you already know the stuff to go overagain it's good to get reminders rightbut number two and this is the biggestonementors need Mentors even if you'rewhatever level you are and all mymentors have got mentors themselves youknow I mean Nick James is mentorshipI've been under song azuki's mentorshipI mean Rob Moore's mentorship you knowthe reality is and I I mentor otherpeople myself yeah and I truly believethat you you've got to really be what'sthe word humble enough to want to keeplearning absolutely and there's a lot ofpeople that are arrogant and feel likethe only courses well good for you happyyou do not everyone wants to work thatway I actually love people right I lovenetworking I love people but I lovegenuine people that I've got integritythey're true to them certainly I reallycan't stand people that fake I hate itand I can sense them a mile away and andI always when I talk about marketing'sbe true to yourself just be yourself andpeople attract to you and a good friendof ours Camilla does the sa stuff Iwould say so namecan we look oh yeah she's exactly greatand I mentor mentoring in marketing aswell but it's usually just started to befair and and you know she's a reallygreat she's doing massive should bereally successful and she's doing it byjust being herself she's been brilliantyou know and you know we all learn offeach other I've learned a lot of Simon'suchi I've learned a lot of Rob more I'velearned a lot of Nick James you knowI've got another mentor that is you knowdefinitely need him because he's likehe's like a sales machine he reallyknows he's you know he's good he's got aproduct called open with a closingdoesn't do its Leslie it's just like youknow you want my product is I'm worththis much and you know so this is whatit is and he's named my Elwell reallygreat guy amazing guy getting hired bysome really top guys at the momentbecause he's easy really is you knowlegend or what he does and so yeah Iwant to constantly improve I want to beI want to be my ultimate self before Idie and I know more than a lot of peopleknow life it's bloody short manit really is severely because of yourexperiences yeah absolutely yeahyeah I think you touch on quite a fewthings with your whole I'm lookingforward to it but I actually lose 42pounds in seven and a half weeks myselfso what I want to do boxing never go tothe gym and I was a think was about 24at the time and there was like sevenyear-olds two ten-year-olds very cheekylittle kids and I'd to go for a roomwith him so I told the kids because thenI was all the way and I could I couldn'trun more than like 200 meters and all Icould hear him was saying come on oldman come on Batman and all these kind oflike really literally me facing it but Itook I took it personally I was likeI'll get you back and then with a loveworking working my ass off basically forthe next two months it really reallyhelped and there is no magic formula toanything whether it's property whetherit's health and fitness whatever it isliterally you just got to go and do itand then if you you learn a little bityou pivot I hope that's called it on myuncle my own podcast called Mike dropsget okay I guess my drop is call mineyet close and I've interviewed a coupleof a top level you know we're talkingreally high level guys in America mycalls another guy called les Evans and11 there's Evan said a thing to me hesaid he said um he said people thinkthere's an easy route to success butit's all hard work even when it doesn'tlook that way and he said even if you'repeople just speak in the thing they'rejust speaking they're successful fromspeaking andand he's brilliant at that is amazingamazing me he's gonna you know he's he'sadvised people in the White House he'sdone all sorts he's just bum a lot theguys absolutely legend and he's hadbecome a really good friend of mine andand he was saying to me you know Iremember it was on the lines of like Iremember when you said pedal stallpeople like that look big and famous andhe became himself but in the end they'rejust flipping normal people and whatpeople don't understand is that you knowthey want to laugh you know they want toget on you know they don't to be usedand and and there's a lot of truth inthat and there and there's a lot ofpeople do assume they also die theyconnected that way back I used to givehim a lot of my time for free and in theend I ended up blocking him and this iswhere you learn about time for money andit wasn't yeah it was like you everyevery conversation about a heart I'vetough your love to have your lives loveto out Matt me yeah I'd live in aflipping shed and have my son healthyyou won't want my life trust me it's notgreat but you know it's not as great asyou think it is you know and and it wasjust constant constant constant constantlike you know like MV and it wasn't thenice he wasn't moving forward is that Iwant to get 200 houses within two yearsand he was like really unrealistic yeahall right 10x it I you know go for ityou know I hate that comment that wordclinics it got you know I love whatGrant Cardone is about I just hate the10x it that side of it not because Idon't believe in it I believe in itit's just that I see if thrown aroundtoo freely now and and like by peoplethat could potentially really screwtheir lives over if they do try to 10xit you know and where they feel that youknow they've been inspired and they canjust rush ahead you've got to get theeducation in I don't care what you knowyou got to build the foundations he'sgot to build the foundations and andthen and then to exit first you know andthen check out what you know check out aflavor for it and then check out what Xmight be you know I don't like the 2xyou know I'm not doing us a great pointI think we're in thesociety obviously with the wholeInstagram highlight reels and nobody'sreally posting stuff that is like theirbad days of supposed and I supposedindirectly I don't know how but when Iwas getting a bit of traction in likethe property groups it was because I wasjust Oakley admit all my mistakes upsomething I was just documenting againlike listen I am probably the worst guya property talking three years ago I wasa look I made this mistake I've madethis and people resonated with that soindirectly actually helped 9% of thetime it is lychee everyone showing theirbest date on a highlight reel and Ithink we get that thing and then peopleread the secret and it's all thiswishful thinking and it's like listen itis goes back to what you said earlier doit do it you've just got to face it anddo it just exactly I mean madness you'respot on and the crazy thing is is thatI've been exactly the same I've donepodcasts and I've been honest juststraight on you know I'll straight upwith out loud you didn't want to hear itwe didn't want to hear it I'm like youknow and and cut long story short thethe realities that they won't value inmy time but I wasn't violent valuing itI can't blame them it's actuallysomething that I get a trouble from frommy wife so I'm always trying to help asmany people as I can so I'm alwayshaving these one-hour coffees that goingto like one and a half hours orconversation 15 minutes or less yeah andthen at the end of its like I've got notime to spend with my wife for exampleyeah because I'm just trying to help butthen most of those people they'll comeback with pretty much the same kind ofquestions or concerns two months laterhaving done nothingyou're almost yourself and I think I'msimilar to you in that respect which isthere's some great points that you madedays that I need to start my new my timea little bit there yeah not so much Iknow I need to charge for example it'son the faith basis that is this personreally going to do it and what I'vestarted doing as of the last two days istaking calls on the way to the gym soI'm like you've got ten minutes with mefar away I'll kind of give youeverything I've got I know it's workingokay because it kills that time to thegym so yeah absolutely yeah it's noteating a weigh-in time that you which isvaluable time is valuable time time I'vesaid entire book emergency we have youknow in the lane if if if people don'tvalue your timemmm bug you you spell as I and why workwith people that don't value you they'rejust picking and sponging your brainbecause they can't be asked again spendthe money on the courses and theeducation and or go through the grit inthe action that you've gone through inthe pain that you've gone through theyjust want to just you know squeeze yoursponge brain and get all the bloody Evoout you know those people it doesn'tmake us a you know this is not a youknow I'm holy than now I'm perfect I Iknow my share you know this has justjust been honest with the situation youknow so I absolutely love helping peopleI really do it's just some people justdon't value your time enough so okaywe're gonna change gears a little bitwe've spoken about adversity which isone of the main drivers like in yourlife and I don't wish it on anyone to gothrough the same kind of stuff but weall go through something what I wouldask you though is a different questionis about fear so it's probably a commonquestion but I want to know what is yourbiggest fear but I want to stop and takeaway what I think he's gonna be yourfirst answer from doing some Daryl Browntactics here so you can't mention youryour children or your wife in thisscenario but what is your biggest fearas as yourself my biggest fear formyself is not accomplishing my dreamsokay and my dreams are actually yes theyare to be able to get enough money toafford certain things from my family andI'm not supposed to mention them but myactual my dreams are to actually besuccessful and proud enough to know thatyou know that boy in school that was atloss was crap had to have extraeducation was themedyou know classes dyslexic really smashedit regardless he's not I mean and and soyou know for me to start that wouldreally be probably my biggest fear stophim from for me I really I really wantto get aspire to inspire is what I wantto do right and the way you inspire isby doing great things and and thosegreat things could be I give a lot tocharity myself I donated just over fourthousandpounds Christmas do recently you knowand and before that I've donated loadsand even my book my little spot and thatI've written for my son all the all themoney from that including the cost ofmaking it which most people don't dothey has gone to different charities youknow everything wasn't a lot you knowbecause these costs of these profitscarry yeah yeah and even before thateven you know I've just constantly youknow every year given in some form tocharity and the point is this like it'snot because I'm you know I want to beseen as you know are what passive and uhand people that know with me will knowthis is true so I could be a propertymeet in and we're walking up the roadfor me laughter and I'll just givetwenty pounds of baby homeless man Idon't record it I don't you know butpeople that would mean no it yeah Idon't do it for you know I know inLondon wherever I am if I see someoneI'll donate and you know and I don'tcare if they're they look like they'redruggies well it's not at the end of theday I because I'm not gonna judge youknow they can do what the hell they wantwith ityou know I want to give if I've got ityou know and if it helps them it helpsthem I just get I don't need to promoteit or anything that but the reality isalthough ironically there's a promote inthis podcast estrangement but honest islike where we're and it's just merelyanswering your question you know my goalis to aspire to inspire to inspire andif I can do that for my kids and otherpeople and great you know and and if itmeans like you know giving when youhaven't even got it and I've done thatand and you know it's like then you knowyou do you leaving some sort of trail oflegacy wait wait people might notremember me you know but you knowsomeone might you know yeah I don't knowbut at the end of the day it's strange Ihaven't made haven't made it in in mymind a successful property developer ormarketing agency in my mind I've got along way to go but I'll also at the sametime I don't want to have a lot you knowI want to be comfortable I don't want tohave like the two hundred thousandliving rooms and whatacquiring to do well you know I reallydon't I don't envy people like that whenI see people doing well I'm like good onyou I'm yeah I really I never had thejealous I never I just truly think goodon you the ones I don't like are theones that do it and they're they'rehorrible assholes you know I mean thesepeople win don't they yeah yeah okayfantastic no I know that that makessense I think I'm very similar as wellin relation to what you saying there andjust on that analogy song I've had goingoff on a bit of a tangent here peoplewho are quite charitable but they'llnever give to somebody who maybe theyassume is gonna have alcohol and drugsor something and my philosophy hasalways been I mean growing up and theway my mom's always talking is just givewhatever you can give but and the baseis that maybe maybe your donation thatthey will just change that person'sperspective or life and providing you'renot just throwing it at home and maybeyou can just give it a try contact willhave a good day or something so I justgive him that lift that they need alljust to keep him going for another dayso I'd always urge people whatever youcan give this absolutely give but yeah Ican't imagine you being somebody's gonnabe taking a selfie while you're doingthat I mean and the truth is I should beyou know utilizing it for you know butat the same time it's it's not itdoesn't sit rightyou know it doesn't sit right so you'veheard the buzzer it's going off so whatI'm gonna do now is but Mike with threespaces for the next 60 seconds and he'sall I do basically whatever the firstanswer comes into your head please giveme that one and you ready mate I'm coolI'm ready okay we're gonna start inthree two oneokay the ability to fly or be invisiblefly money or fame fame singing ordancing singing Netflix our YouTubeYouTube Marvel or DC are Marvel easilywould you rather know how you were dyingor when you would i how love or moneylove books or movies i love booksactually if you could sit with oneperson in the world for an hour whowould it be I would love to sit withDonald Trump to figure out why the helllooking weird andgo ahead going on I just I'm justperplexed and also kind of yeah it's aweird onethat we interested yeah you're worse bea growing up fighters actually okay andfinally what is your biggest addictionmy biggest might what was my biggestaddiction was slight wrinkles and yeahwrinkles my biggest addiction at themoment is learning junkie for learningand just some Pringles because I'm aPringles fun as well what's yourfavorite cocktail sorry I don't get methinking the next one's on reflectionyeah we've spoken about this earlierwe've spoken about hindsight being awonderful thing how you can teach you toget to where you are quicker easier orwith less heartache for example butknowing what you know now and with yourlife experiences and obviously yourmindset now if you could go back to atime maybe when you were younger maybegoing through college or school and youcan just whisper something in your earknowing how life would pan out for youand just to kind of maybe motivate orinspire that young Michael what wouldyou say I would say you're able to doanything you put your mind to because Ireally believe growing up because I wastold it you know my teacher I didn'thave a good attention span and myteacher must teacher said to me ohyou're gonna end up as a glassblower shewas old fashioned herself and mostpeople didn't really kind of connectwith her if I'm being honest with youbut that really thought I thought whatthe hell you know kind of thing to saythat just because I you know and Iwasn't interested in her lessons I justwould and again it goes down to what weread in property marketing people couldbe connected you know whatever you do init's about attention and connectionright you've got to get the attention tobe noticed and you've got to connect soif you're going to get an investor tocome to you you've got to get theattention you've got to do that one wayor another and then you've got toconnect and you can only connect bybeing you because long term wise youknow it's a marriage you know it'ssimply that absolutely and it's theeasiest thing to do be yourself ratherthan trying be someone else off man donot have some music but I see people mygod and I just cringe and I know that itmakes me cringeI see people they've been II won't even touch into it too much butthere's people that mean there's aparticular person that's training thesame people when they're like they'refollowing the same moves and everythingin their acting the same as this personexactly in every way and it's a it'ssquiggly it's creepy and windy it is andthe problem with it is as well if you'recopying somebody else you're almostrelying on them to do something you knowthe few to follow see as a policy if youjust make your own journey and writeyour own story I've got one thing whereI've got respect for these people that'sall for helping them is they've alreadytaken a step at least they're gettingthemselves out of the shell and they dosomething but but seeing exact copiesit's just yourself yourself it's likehave you ever seen those live videoswhen they're sat there quietly for likeflipping five minutes I'm like I don'tlike it I just it's just great I'm likeI just talk shit for a bit I say topeople okay just talk shit wait topeople come on[Music]and that's not always like to ask myguess is if in 150 years time and youare no longer here but all that existsis a book and it's about your life andsomebody's walking past and they pick upthis book what would the blurb say andalso what would be the title of the bookwell already written it it's called mylittle spot on the globeit says embrace your struggle to findyour strength and pretty much what wetalked about today and and I it has asub heading saying unleash your lip in aspa and because we've all gotten in thispart and and what I mean by that it'snot a judgment thing on Spartans andwhile it's just the fact that you knowagainst the odds it's a metaphorit's against the odds they know they'regonna die but they're fighting all theycan yeah and that's the point at the endof the day we're all gonna freakin diebut let's just see what we can do youknow that's all we can do but you knowyou know the end of a that's why I don'tmind helping people as much as I canbecause that you know any bit of helpyou get out there is whatnice absolutely Granta our future looksalready out yes my little spy Amazonyeah best seller internationalbestseller there you go is it oh wowyeah i 100% put that in the bottom ofand the show notes as well alright it'sactually the first time somebody'salready answered my question and done myquestion but what I always like to askpeople is there is somewhere they cancontact you now I know you're doingamazing things all over the world innetworking marketing property you're anauthor as well there's one place and I'mjust gonna limit it to one but I willobviously add everything else afterwardswhat is the number one place that you'dprefer base for Facebook Facebook I'm 5mI'm maxed out sorry guys so just listenI've got another group page good MichaelV Calais Paris just a baby bear I'd bethere and start using it more nowbecause I'm that's my that's my ownthat's my professional page so just wantthem on to Michael V or try and messageme on on on my one at least and I'm nottry and connect and brilliantly it'sbeen a absolute pleasure like I said atthe beginning I reached out to you longtime we don't know yeah I love yourstory you know that this is fascinatingpromise there's live calls on them youall get busy I haven't managed toreconnect there so and thank you foryour time today you've been doingawesome things as well okay it's good tosee and again like you know we reach outto people that we connect with and likeand so on and you know obviouslyresponded back to you because I knowlike and trust okay you know it worksthe same way you know yeah that's how Isee it and and that's how that's howrelationships grow that's how investorsget involved that's how all this stuffhappens you know it's it's all aboutthat you know so absolutely absolutelyspinning it's been an absolute pleasureand well as well thanks for listeningand remember this podcast is absolutelyfree so all we ask in return is for youto share 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Within this time they have been featured in Glamour, Bazaar, This Morning, GQ, Forbes, Metro, Brides and now Find Your Voice!In this episode we get a behind the scenes understanding of what it truly takes to build a business from scratch and hear about a few obstacles they have faced on the way.A raw and honest interview showcasing the highs and lows, which truly gives us all a great insight into the wonderful minds behind this key concept but also about what it takes to be a successful entrepreneur.Now with over 500 products, and an everlasting increasing product portfolio, they have mastered the art of controlling overwhelm with their intuitive website helping you make decisions to suit your loved ones.As the brand continues to grow and more wonderful memories continue to get shared with the Build My Gift experience, I urge to you follow their journey below.Plus with mothers day around the corner and many birthdays, weddings, celebrations and opportunities to just do something nice for someone, Build My Gift is the perfect place for you to get started.+ The founders have offered 10% off to all listeners if you simply enter the following code at the checkout: findyourvoiceSo what are you waiting for?https://www.buildmygift.com/Follow it below:Thanks for listeningFree Audible book sign up:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Audible-Membership/dp/B00OPA2XFG?actionCode=AMN30DFT1Bk06604291990WX&tag=are86-21Best book on Mindset by Carol Dweck: Mindset https://amzn.to/2QajMvZSupport the podcast: https://www.patreon.com/findyourvoiceLinks to me:Website: https://www.arendeu.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/aren.deu/Twitter: https://twitter.com/arendeuFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/aren.singhLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aren-deu-65443a4b/Podcast: https://www.findyourvoicepodcast.com YouTube: http://tiny.cc/51lx6yLinks to guest:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/buildmygift/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/buildmygift/Twitter: https://twitter.com/buildmygift?lang=enWebsite: https://www.buildmygift.com/Don't forget the discount code! findyourvoice#JustDeuIt & #FindYourVoiceTranscripts[Music]welcome to an episode of find your voicea movement led by yours trulyAren do a guy who has overcomecrippling anxiety adversity anddifficulty like so many of you in lifewhose main goal now is to help youcombat your excuses take control of yourlife write your own story and mostimportantly find your voice so nowwithout further ado I welcome the hostof the show himself mr. Aren do what'sgoing on people thank you for tuning into another episode of find your voice myname is Aren and as always I am thehost of the show so I'm extremelyexcited today because it's a milestonefor me it's my first ever power coupleand the beautiful thing about this pilecouple is not only are they businesspartners who have started thisincredible business from scratchthey're also married as well so it'sgonna be interesting to kind ofunderstand the dynamics of what whatit's like to obviously start your ownbusiness but to working with your otherhalf so I'm extremely excited to getthis going there are very very dearfriends of mine so for that reason itwas a no brainer to bring them on theshow and more importantly I've actuallyused their service I think it's aboutfive times now and I hope I've passed itover to my mom and I've also passed itover to my brother-in-law as well soit's something that I highly highlyhighly recommend and in relation totheir service it launched in 2017 you'veprobably heard the name I mean they havebeen featured on television and in somemajor pop up stores but I'm gonna leavethem to tell us all about that sowithout further ado let's get thisinterview on the way okay brilliantokay so I am sitting here today with twoof my good friends and this interview isreally exciting for me because it's thefirst time I'm actually interviewing twopeople at once now the exciting thingabout this interview is that this is apower couple this is aboutentrepreneurship and it's also aboutbusiness but another exciting thing toadd to that is they're also a marriedcouple so it's gonna be reallyinteresting to see how this plays outand so I'd like to start by welcomingRuss and money to the showhow're you guys doing today yeah goodthank youthanks for having us you're very welcomevery welcome thank you for coming downso I think it's really importantobviously for the listeners of the showto kind of get an insight in relationabout you guys so we'll go with ladiesfirst rise if you could just tell us alittle bit about yourself and then afterthat if money you want to talk aboutyourself as well okay so I am co-founderof my gift and so we launched but mygift in 2017 but prior to that mybackground is working within HR so Iworked in London for several years for aluxury goods firm and then I moved upnorth and worked for the BBC as wellOh brilliant I'm you new University yeahso I I studied sociology at Universitythat was my BA I then went on to do mymasters in education policy at King'sCollege and then I did a second master'sin human resource management as wellfantastic yeah money about yourself yesso I went to university Aston Universitywhere as well we met yeah yeah feelslike a long time ago and then graduatedin 2010 and wasn't sure what path Iwanted to take and my family wasinvolved in family businesses and thingsI've always been involved in that so Inaturally took that path I felt like itwas the right thing to do and I've beeninvolved in that ever since I'm stillinvolved in that heavily and me and Rosshave known each other over eight yearsnow we got married in 2015 and yeah wedecided to take this chance with Bill mygift in 2017 and we haven't looked backreally okay thank plastic so it'sinteresting that obviously Rhys you knowjust collecting masters which isn'treally directly I suppose linked to kindof entrepreneurship and business whatmade you go into that was that kind ofManny's influence because obviously he'sfamily into business before or was itsomething that you've always wanted todo it isn't really at all I thinkworking within HR that's something thatI was really passionate about and Ireally did enjoy it was just really thewe stumbled across an idea that wethought there was a gap in the market wemulled over it for you know severmonths and then we decided to take theplunge and I suppose with hisentrepreneurial background we kind ofthought okay well we do have someexperience and some skills to bringforward and we can kind of merge the twoobviously with me working with withinthe luxury goods sector as well we couldkind of bring those together combined tonot block my gift brilliant okay so howdid the build my gift idea come aboutthen so advisers just touched on youlook at your skills and what you canboth bring to the table how did thisconcept come about because I want thelisteners to understand this I have usedthis so it's not something that I'm justsaying yes oh good yeah gift it makes mylife so much easier yeah because when itcomes to giving gifts for loved ones andstuff it's literally if it's for you foryour parents or you you're at the heartand go and they just let all theseamazing wonderful things but again I'lllet you guys go into that yeah so howdid the idea come about I think that mycousin actually was in hospice talk thisis going back at the beginning of theyear we launched and and we were mullingover you know what's what's a good giftto give her you know flowers and thingsand so standard these days and the sameold thing and a lot of hospitalsactually don't even allow him and wewere thinking and rats was thinking youknow wouldn't it be nice if I could justget a few things from different placesand put a gift together and build a nicebox for her and but it would just takeme forever and I was like that'll takeyou for a ages and hey who's got time toshop around and to do the research tofind a box to wrap it up make it looknice and then send it that's it there'sso much effort and time and maybe youwill get the odd person who's willing todo that but 99% of people think you knowthat's a bit much and then we said youknow there's nothing out there that'slike that there's nothing out there thatactually fits that kind of gap in themarket that we're thinking and then wemodeled it over B research and researchand research you know it's important todo that and we've thought it over and weyou know the name was important and thewebsite and everything and so yeahthat's how it really came about that'sinteresting so that's your story behindit there I never actually knew that oneyeah one of the reasons I support isbecause I always support my friends andfamily's businesses as I always advocatepeople should do and it is a fantasticthing like I've used it once also thisis so easy this yearand then why did is a Tamil mom to doyeah so I'm trying to spread the weightbut I think that story's reallyimportant as wellyeah because I'm pretty certain there'sthere's listeners out there who have gotthat same predicament whether it'ssomebody in hospital or whether it'sjust that special occasion or somethingand you guys I mean through your websiteand stuff you just make life so mucheasier it's trying to bring peopletogether make relationships strongerbasically that's what you know thepremise of the business that's what it'sall about the foundation I've built mygift it's trying to keep peopleconnected and we've got orders coming infrom you know Australia to be deliveredin London from the UK to be delivered inNew York so it really is connectingpeople all around the world yeah becauseI think a big part of us as a couple andmaybe you know our culture in general isrelationships meet you know should bestrong Kingdom strong and and I alwaysbelieve that you know you might notalways see each other but if you messageeach other or send a gift you knowsomething between you have relationshipis so strong and that's the wholepremise like Russ said about don't mygift it's all about letting that personknow you thinking about them and youknow we make it easy you know it's it'sI don't want to obviously boast about isthat it wouldn't make it so easy and andyou know it's literally three steps andit's done so so he was the brains behindwas it I would say Russ to be honest Ihaven't heart you know Russ isdefinitely more creative yeah she shehas been the forefront of the businessand I still divide my time between thisbusiness and my family business okaywhich it means sometimes you know mybrain is a bit it's hard to juggle thetooth and whatnot but rath definitely issomeone who knows what she's doing whenit comes to business yeah fantastic okayso what I want to know then so I like tounderstand the life of an entrepreneurand successful people and like theirdaily habits because I'm just I'm justintrigued by that because I think as alisten if there's somebody out there whowants to perhaps become an entrepreneurdo something out of the norm I thinkhabits and discipline is reallyimportant at least for myself so what'sa dayin BMG no my gift for you both from themoment you wake up oh there's no anotherthing any entrepreneur will say there'sno day is the same really and it couldbe kind of you know one of our peakoccasions so Christmas Valentine'sMother's Day and all we'll be doing isorders preparation of orders to getthose out you know there might be otherthings such as top management we may beout and we may have a day full ofmeetings so business development youknow networking opportunities it reallyreally does vary day to day to be honestin value and you split your time are youdoing two separate things or are youkind of working together on those tasksthat you mentioned that we do worktogether so if we if we have you knowfocusing on business development for aday we'll always try and set aside atleast a day a week or a day fortnightwhere we are going to take you know taketime out of the business to go out andabout and meet people say potentialcustomers potential corporate clientsthings like that really and alsopotential suppliers too but again youknow if it's orders we take time when wework together to ensure that thoseorders are fulfilled and we get thoseout then time what we tend to do is thenight before every single night beforethe next day we'll make a list pretty ofwhat we're going to do the next day Russis kind of the king the king of aboutjobs and I'd like to do that I think webeat one thing that's very similar aboutus is we'd like to take off listen welike to cross things off you know thelonger the list the more you think thatmorning actually this is what we've gothead this day organizedyou know if it's a meeting that day wewill be you know make sure that we takea laptop and that we if we're going on atrain we go Wi-Fi and we're stillemailing constantly got to be you've gotto be available for customers forsuppliers for potential clients as wellcorporate clients are always on the goyou know we're always available on thephone or an email as well whether youknow we're gonna meet teens or whatnotfor their yeah I think that's a reallyimportant point because that risetouched on being an entrepreneurnowadays the same mm-my probably worsttrait is that I find myself firefight inevery day so the day kind of dictates mehmm it doesn't happen all the time whenI'm disciplined and I've got my routineI kind of do what you guys do I'm infull flow and I enjoy it so that'ssomething I'd recommend to listenersjust plan your day before because whathappens is you wake up you pick up yourphone you look at your Facebook and youremails and all of a sudden you'reresponding to the world as opposed to dowhat you need to do in order to moveforward so that's really interestingjust on that then so I know this I knowthe answer but just for the listenerscould you just then maybe tell us someof the clients that you work withbecause I've seen some big names andyou've done some amazing things andwe're really fortunate and lucky to beworking with some great corporateclients out there at the moment and morerecently we've just secured anopportunity with Adobe so one of thebiggest tech firms in the world reallyso we're really excited at theopportunity to be working for themanother kind of couple of clients we'vegot a courier and logistics firm that wework with so and BJ's home delivery wework with a local business in Cheshirewe're web-based to flow create and weare also working with the DorchesterHotel in London - wow that's fantasticand you've also been in shops as wellyeah so we did a pop-up store overChristmas in Topshop and Oxford HighStreet I can ask that yeah holidays andI mean it was a it was a massive massivething for us you know it was theflagship store and we couldn't have beenin a more centralized position in thewhole world essentially comes to lookgreatas far dessert and we were you know wewere stretched I'm be honest respectinand a whole operation to London but itwas it was a massive thing so it's ahuge kudos to a company to be thereabsolutely yeah and you just said you afirefighter I suppose sometimes that'show you learn yeah and obviously nexttime you're better equipped yeah I'myour person no that's fantasticokay so we've touched on just a coupleof ups and downs there as with anentrepreneur it's a life of ups anddowns for anyone that tells youdifferent they're lying at least that'smy opinion yeah definitely yeah what'sbeen the main obstacle and sincestarting your journey in build my giftand how did you overcome this well lastyear we featured for the first time onTV this morning which is a massive thingbut you don't realize how much differentit actually happens to you when ithappened we were like okay this is bigyeah you know are we you use this andlytx tool that tells you how manyvisitors you have on the site and andyou were used to usually seeing maybedouble figures maximum is going totriple figures and I was flying thisflying this is at one time you knowvisitors to the site at a time and itwas flying to the extent where the sitecrashed and you know okay that's onething but a number of orders came in nothundreds of orders that come in and wewere like okay this is amazing you knowwe made it this is amazing but then yousuddenly realize well we've got tofulfill these orders and Mother's Day isaround the corner Mother's Day I thinkthey add right on the Wednesday andMother's Day was on the Sunday bearingin mind Saturday delivery isn't reallyan optionmm-hmm unless people have paid extra Iwas eating into your you know you wouldgive profits really so you knowoperationalize it was a very bigchallenge you know at the time that wasjust the two of us we had family supportbut you know family will always supportyou but they'll never know the businesslike you do boss of course um so yeahalthough it was an obstacle I think itwas a great opportunity as well but areally good learning curve I didn'tanticipate the demand and it was it wasgreat you can never know that demandyou know anyone unless they've been inthat world that before they will neverknow of course what will happen and ourbusiness although it's make it simpleit's easy we put a lot of effort intoeach gift we want it to look nice wewant it to be special when that personopens it so you know when you've gothundreds of orders to do it's difficultto achieveyou know you've got to find a balancebasically and it was I mean we we did itup until about 5:00 a.m. that my twohours and we're up at 7:00 a.m. yougotta work with over there yeah yeah youknow recommendation and loyalty andreviews of massive businesses like anye-commerce business and and for us youknow you've got to make sure you do itrightfantastic and I can't promise you thesame recognition as this morning fromthis podcast just to get at least fivesix whatever it is because I'm veryconfident that whoever does buysomething from yourselves similar tomyself don't be a repeat customer yeah Imean when I signed six months agodone it like three or four times yeahand it like I said it's so much easierthan googling around and then trying tofit something from Amazon there'ssomething from eBay or whatever it isso yeah you know I would say you know atleast one in ten customers is a repeatguys taking time to really make surethat you think about how you present itbecause it's presented a nice anddefinitely all packaged in thereeverything yes I'm fantastic good stuffokay so what's the best thing aboutowning your own business I think theflexibility to make decisions your wayultimately if you're employed bysomebody else you have a manager who youneed to maybe cross-reference somethingwith and the final decision on certaincertain matters will be made by theirmore people more senior to you and soreally all of the decisions in ourbusiness are made by us so having thatfreedom to do that really it's quitenice would you agree money I think yeahdefinitely I think another thing that Ilove about this business is the factthat you meet new people you know you'remeeting people you're growing yournetworkbefore we started this journey I do feelas that as much as you know peopleyou're very close as a person you youonly want to know people who you kind ofbump into already in life and whatnotyou're not going you're not puttingyourself out there you're not really youknow attending events and parties thatwe are now you know you don't knowyou're not really experiencing that sideof life and then now we do we putourselves out there we attend awardshows we attend networking events weattend meeting after meeting withmassive corporate people who we neverwould have met before and you know Isometimes that can pitch myself andthink well you know we're just in theDorchester Hotel absolutely meeting youknow they're client services directorand when when would we ever I was justtalking to her about cricket you know itkind of opens a whole new world for youand which is only become possiblebecause of this business and the hardwork you guys have wait that's rightyeah and the worst thing about owningyour own business so you're not going toknow everything about running thebusiness I suppose and it's always goingto be bookkeeping that's the worst thingyou know paperwork and the admin side ofthings and that can be quite heavy andyou want to be focused on doing all thecreative fun elements of the businessbut you also have to keep those gaps youdo the basics as wellI can't think actually what what elsewould I would say sometimes I do thinkthat you know with us being married mmmthe business has taken over a lot of ourconversation a lot of recipes you knowpressing and everything in our livesbecause it's just that it's a massivepart of us sometimes I don't know Russsometimes feels this as well as that youknow has it almost become as if you knowour business has become us and we'velost each you know as a couple who wework for that it kind of it's hard toremember a time before the businessalthough we haven't you know it's onlybeen two years or so but it's hard toremember a time when it was just me andher and I understand that yeah Iunderstand that for a simple fact thatI've obviously try to juggle multiplebusinesses myself yeah my wife worksfull-time and then she's coming home toanotherfor business and literally we don't seeeach other as we're in the same housebut and if we do see each other in factit's probably from our peripheral visionbecause we're like this yeah and Iforward and we're just way it happensthey're working that we're on where theysaid that and today actually it's thefirst time we're going for a meal andI'm actually really looking forward toit because similar to what you just saidthere I was like cher like we haven'tspoke about life we're just us oranything you don't want it you don'twant to forget that yeah and this was upto you I was gonna ask you guys so I canimagine it is brilliant because yourbest mates you're married and you you'reon this vision and you creating thisamazing business but then you are gonnahave that aspect of the whole you mustdo bicker do you have I think you knowas any relationship you will always haveyour little bickering moments but Ithink when it comes to the business wealways put those aside no matter whatbecause we share that common goal andwe're so motivated and determined tomake that success so you know we mayhave had a small little petty argumentover something but when it comes to thebusiness we move on I think the businesshelps and hinders and those things thatit helps in the sense that and sometimeslibrary said if you've got it you knowany any couple could sometimes have aminor minor it should be deter but ifyou've got a common goal that commonlove which is the business you puteverything aside for the business andyou know you get over something egoasari quick so listen what moves thisbusiness for exactly exactly and yougotta think you could have been matureand you've got to think you know forgetyeah you know forget that my food wascalm and but you know similarly becausewe are working together in a business24/7 you spend so much time with eachother you talk constantly even whenyou're not with each other we're textingabout the business or not it can lead tosometimes you know you know minordisagreements the wrath sometimes hasher opinion on something sometimes Ihave my opinion on how we should dosomething and you are gonna have thatkind of election that's inevitable Iknow two people who work in a businesswho aren't married are gonna have thatsame issues absolutely absolutely soyeah yeahyou know each of this opinion andactually then finding a middle groundbut the fact that we're married allowsus to kind of be honest you know ifyou're if you're doing if you're runninga business with somebody that you don'tknow so well or as a friendit's can be awkward how about you sagehave that conversation or be honest asthey'd like I don't like your idea youknow I don't think you do the rightthing here but with me and Rass you knowwe've known each other for so long voiceof course you can be so honest I'll sayexactly - yeah and that she dances ahthat's good but you know that you youknow you have that kind of love for thatperson that you accept what they saysometimes you know you might take a bitbut then it's fine because you'remarried in this you know it's this nomore so and at the end of the day andthe key thing is you both want eachother to win that's right and you bothwant to win and I I did that sigh youknow I've had to put my ego aside andstuff as occurs sometimes you wanna winthe argument and I was immature back inthe down I was always trying to win theargument where is now it's like if I winthe argument and upset my wife then whoreally wins here like anything we bothrelease so now it's like actually I wantthat person to win so let's just look atit rationally hmm and then what musesFalls so yeah exactly exactly a nothingvery mature yeah yeah I love itokay so one piece of advice that youcould give to somebody now who's maybethinking you know I'm in a nine-to-fivesimilar to how you guys could have beendenied two fives coming out ofuniversity raspberry they're ten mastersso you think in I'm gonna just jump intoa job what advice would you give themjust one piece of advice in terms ofgoing into entrepreneurship I would saymake sure you know exactly your industrythat you're going into research your lotyeah your market your competitors whatyou're offering you know make sure it'sit's something that you know thatindustry inside out because if you takea risk and you go for something likethat and you know you kind of fall shorta little bit you know your firstimpressions everything to people if youdon't get your website up to scratch andif it is an e-commerce business forexample or if you don't know what you'redoing is in meetings and things and youkind of you leave a lasting impressionyour first impression is important he'llbe spend a lot of time perfecting ourprocess our offering as a product thebrands that we work with and the websitetweaking and tweaking we delayed ourlaunch and we delayed and delay thepeople who like what you're doing you'regonna miss Christmas you know whatyou're doing and but we were like it'simportant that the website is top-notchbecause if it's not people will rememberand then work on that of course you'vegot premium products yeah exactly yeah Imean our business is all about you knowpremium and while known brands and ifyou want to work alongside those brandsand you want to come across like thatyou need to make sure there is noamateur and nothing is along the chainbecause that's your market audience yesI would say that personally mm-hmmya know 100 percent I mean although wehad the initial concept I'd say at thestart of 2017it was researching that and then youknow going into launch so it was a lotof back-and-forth a lot of perfectingand getting things right and we didn'tget it perfect even then you know andyes you may launch a business and thingactually yes this is great but it'staking on board feedback from customersfrom the people around you your networkand and continuously improving on thatas well I agree I love the word perfectexists in terms of like business or no Iever you do because there's alwayssomething and we are our own biggestcritics as well ya know something andwhat we always try and do is the bestthat we can do in that momentya know in hindsight we let this historyyou know I lost can't be my time that Isaid oh I wish I'd said that yeah surethan that and we even on the way heresaid let's make a few notes because Idon't want to leave this podcast andthink oh you know what I could havegiven this advice I think you won'tforget happens in the time you haveforget to ask you something yeah but iswhat it is but hopefully after thisyou'll get people reaching out to youguyssliding into DMS and then moreimportantly easing bill my gift so yeahdefinitely you'll be fine okay so what'syour motivation then moving forward nowto the end of this year what one thingwould you like to happenthey really grow the corporate side ofthe business and when we first launchedbill my gifts it was focused on the BTCmarket and that's the online platformthat we had but you know BTC for thelisteners join expand on that sorry yesmr. consumer market side of the businessso and we had the online platform ofcourse but for us you know we really dosee there is potential and opportunityfor the corporate side of our businessand to continue growing and building onthat is really really important for us Ithink oh yeah yeah definitely I think wesee a lot of potential with corporateand weddings I don't know if you'venoticed we've started working with moreand more businesses like you said andand wedding planners and things likethat and when we first launched thebusiness we didn't have any idea aboutthis thing you know we we felt like itwas an opportunity said we needed a giftthat we wanted to give someone and wejust thought I wouldn't be nice for aneveryday person to have to access thisand no idea that you know this this kindof a kind of model would work forbusinesses it would work for events andwork for wedding for couples all sortsof things and as you go along you learnmore and more and we've really grownthat side of the business especiallyback end of last year and the beginningof this year I mean we've really pushedon and I know twelve months from nowwe'll be like well last year we reallyyeah and you're probably over anotheropportunity were you thinking yeah wenever thought this exactly yeah andthat's the beautiful thingyes games and and it gives you it givesyou a lot of hope and it gives you a lotof confidence that yeah you know thisbusiness model has a lot of avenues topursue and you know we're not done yeahabsolutely just to start yeah exactlyfantastic okayokay fantastic so you've heard thebuzzer go off now so now we're at thefun part of the show and again I'venever done this before with twodifferent people so I'm gonna do is I'mgonna put rather money through theirpaces for 60 seconds asking them themost random questions okay and in truefamily fortune style you can't repeatthe same answer advice okay money yepcool I'm gonna start with you Rezawe're gonna go in three two one romanceor comedy romance comedy Italian orChinese Italian I hate Chinesefavourite place you've been togetherrube oh yeahcinema or bowling both the ability tofly or be invisible invisible beinvisiblewhat is your partner's best trait I loveno he's really good-hearted I thinkthinks about everybody a little bit whenyou're fame fame has never interested meguess money no money what is yourbiggest addiction success that PixarYouTube Netflix Snickers or Marsneither favorite TV show there's a showthat Love Actually is so it's actuallyreally rubbish but I love it it's calledPeep ShowEcore languages will be able to speak toanimals speak all languages episode yourbiggest fear failure your biggestinspiration I always am massivelyinspired I think we both are by you knowto name an entrepreneur expose you sothere's a stationary brand SwedishSwedish station on Van kekeke a said theowner of that I think she's massivelyinspirational we've been listening toher podcast as wellyou should get yourself on there as wellabsolutely and your favorite BMG gift Ipersonally like the kind of the cocktailsets okay yeah I think they look reallynice and they're quite cool for anyonewho's into you know hosting parties andthings like that could be yoursbottle of champagne nice and if you cansit with one person in the world for anhour who would it beMichelle Obama Will Smith would yourather know how you would die or whenyou will die when if you could abolishone thing in the world what would it begreed I think and kind of selfishnessexpectation what is your favorite songever Beyonce and jay-z crazy alone ohyeah so one song naturally yeah I listento for motivation miscible random it's57th from his film get rich or dietrying' I just think it's verymotivationalis it the gym that I use it I getgenerally if you're feeling a bit it'slumpy that day I guess you guys lumpyyeah finallywould you rather read minds or predictthe future and yeah read more deep voiceyeah okay brilliant how'd you find outkind of questions that you you think ohI know then I would know it it comesdown to it absolutely so you mentionedbriefly in these questions that we justhad the cocktail set could you elaboratemaybe on your sets or the kind of giftsthat people could go onto your websitefind and then give to their loved onesyeah so I am I suppose it's really forany occasions and whether it's abirthday gave to get well soon gift andyou home gift and you baby gift maybethe list goes on so any occasion we'vepretty much got it covered and at themoment we have more than 500 productsthat you can go on and select and buildher own gifts we also have a prebuiltgift section so if you want it to beeven more easier than it already is youcan literally select one of ourpre-built gifts and check out fantasticanything time I mean yeah I mean like Isaid we've got massive array of productsbut we're always looking to expand we'realways looking to you know what's onetrend what's cool what can fit fordifferent types of people for differenttypes of budget for different types ofoccasions and you know that's that's thebeauty of Bill my gift there's this veryrare that you can find everything all inone place and um you know you you couldshop for your mom's 50th but at the sametime you'reneighbors had a new baby then you canbuy the both gifts at the same time allin the same place but then within fiveminutes you know and it's really simplewe've got a massive range of productsthat help stores every occasion so yeahI mean like russ explained I thinkthat's I think that's everything yeahthere you go so it's like kind of like aone-stop shop one-stop shop yeah I justwant to touch on something that youmentioned there is all you've got 500products and you're also openpotentially to other products as wellyes and we're always growing our productportfolio always looking to take on newbrands again as we've been to 2019 we'veyou know been in touch with several newbrands and we're going to be taking themon board and introducing them to thesites they're always open to newfantastic so if anyone's out there witha product or something as well maybe getin touch with it's definitely definitelywe always were always approached by byyou know companies as members who haveproducts and we are very open and we'renot dismissive we will always at leastgive it a chance to look at it and readup on it and if we fill is somethingthat adds value to our business and toour you know offering as a gift box thendefinitely we'll look into it reallyyeah like Russ said we've taken on Ithink two or three new brands in 2019it's all about staying fresh and yeahabsolutely yeah no no it's reallyinspiring and just all concept obvi Imean we started the interview and youspoke initially about the story behindit and how you were saying how difficultit's gonna be to get a couple of giftstogether like a hamper set that's rightget it all coordinated here you are nowwith 500 products I just find thatreally yeah yes very passionately Ithink sometimes we're we're so here andnow and we don't think you know theachievement to get here yeah absolutelythat's my only lunch produced right yeahbecause we're always seeking what's nextthat's where I forget yet we're alwayswe're so used to seeing most productsthat they're that we don't even thinkjust look back and think look at allthat how we got I remember your firstsnapchat summit yeah yeah yeah you guysyeah you know at the beginning of myremember what we what was our first Ithink we used to have supplies that nowwhy why did we even have those things atleast that got us through the door youknow and we're lucky I mean I'm verylucky that I you know through our familybusinesses I've connection for somewholesalers who then allowed us theopportunity to kind of get stock inAndrus has a connection with luxurycompanies and from her previous jobswhich have allowed his connections thereso it is really about making use of yourcontacts absolutely and then growingyour network in absolutely ivory yournet worth is based on your networkthat's right and sometimes we fail toactually tap into our own network mm-hmmand even myself so from propertyperspective I didn't realize how manyplumbers I knew how many conveyance isthat I knew like brokers all within likemy family it was only when you startcoming out and you saying I'll do thisand then people start reaching out toyou so I'd always implore people likethere to kind of firstly understand yournetwork and then your networks then workbecause that's where the magic isdefinitely yeah actually really justbefore we get to the final question andthat always I tasked my guess is aboutreflection so if you guys could go backmaybe to when you first I'd bill my giftand that first idea came and you knowingeverything you don't know what one pieceof advice would you whisper in the earsof yourselves I think be more bold andjust put yourself out there I love thatyeah again like I said you know you goto events and things in at the beginningwe were maybe bit hesitant engagement ofpeople and build your network and but werealized as time goes on that is soimportant to do those things and so Iwould definitely say that as well yeahfantasticbrilliant so sadly work the lastquestion now of the interview so yeah ifFinn hundred fifty years time sciencefails to save us and all that's left isa book and it's about your life and itexplains to your journey a little bitabout you basically your inspiring storywhat would the title be and what wouldbe blown say to make somebody want topick it up and read itso we did give this a little bit thoughtand so I think it would be good thingshappen to good peoplehmm I think I was I would like it to sayI think I've always been somebody wholikes to see the good in everything anddo good by people and so I'd like to beremembered for that as well love thatokay I'm not gonna put you on the spotif you both had that together would youagree is that kind of where you you'dwant to be remember yeah definitely Ithink you know there's there's anentrepreneurship but there's also youknow your life and in life we both tryto be good people we try to do right byour family and everyone around us and itis difficult sometimes to balanceeverything you know you want to beselfish sometimes and think aboutyourself and think about your businessbut you have to think about everythingyou know the grand scheme of thingsand balance everything and do the rightthing which I think we both do I thinkwe agree we always think you know otherrepercussions to this you know should wedo this should we do that and I think ifin 20 years time 100 years time like andwe used to look back and people wouldsay you know what they made the rightdecision by everybody they didn't justthink about themselves and this door wassuccessful diversity a lot of storiesthey're successful but they've had tomake a lot of enemies along the way youknow they've had to be very selfish andI'd like to think that we weren't thosepeople we look good people you arefantastic so before I close this showwhat I want to do is give you anopportunity to connect with thelisteners of the show and vice versa sowhat's the best places that listenerscan reach out to yourselvesis it your personal profiles is it buildmy gift yes so I think people can get intouch with us by visiting the websitethere's a contact us form they can reachout to us by Instagram so it's app buildmy gift - mm-hmm and the website is it'swwl my gift calm dusty yeah we have likea live chat facility on the website aswell if anyone wants to you know get aquicker answer I'll be more than likelyto respond quickest on there like Russsaid our Instagram is I'll probably abigger social handle yeah we alsorespond by our Facebook and Twitter butin surroundings our biggest thing so ifanyone wants to get in touch this appbill my gift fantastic and you've alsogot all loads of black amazing forwardsinstagramers oh yeah I mean everything'severything you know a to Zed if you wanta quick snapshot on the company justvisit hit our Instagram and you can seewe're very very much a visual companyand Instagram is a big driver for usyeah fantastic so we're at the end ofthe show and this has been it's beenexciting for me it's a it's good to seeyou guys I'm very proud of how far youguys have come thank you in thisbusiness it's it's inspiring hearinglike the ins and outs of it as well Idefinitely urge my listeners just checkit out on Instagram go on the websitebecause you just find that yourself justadding all these wonderful things whichis lived--and I'm excited now you've gotmore products as well so again it'ssomething that I use I got it I've gotphotos of it I've got proof in case ohyeah this isn't the Hat absolutely yeahreally it's something that I I believein if I didn't believe in it I wouldn'tI wouldn't send it out there getobviously then my reputation is on theline as are so it's a fantastic thingthank you guysonce again thank you for having us likesharing my story about you sharing yourstory sorry but hopefully you know yourlisteners you know can resonate withwhat we've been through and what whichI'm sure they will absolutely because Ithink we're all going to be that kind ofthing in there in our daily strugglesand life and stuff and you knowinstagrams a different thing because youonly see the highlights that's rightwe look to hear you guys kind of justtell us a little bit about what yeah shegoes on yeah behind closed doors sothank you once again and forever and awhole thanks for listening thank you andremember this podcast is absolutely freeso all we asked in return is for you toshare this with a friend and drop us afive star review over on iTunes have anawesome day See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

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Find your voice - Episode 8 - Memoirs of an Anxious Mind - Cos KyriacouTagline: "To HIM its just a game, playing with my mind. An easy target for HIM, he always seems to find. He always seems to be there to put me in my place, lurking and scheming like a puff of smoke up in my face..."Cos is a talented Poet who has found his voice by utilising the power poetry in speaking about his depression and anxiety. Riddled with many trials and tribulations growing up Cos has battled with suicidal thoughts from time to time.Now determined to conquer his mindset working on his health, thoughts and gifts he is looking to help those struggling with mental health illness more.Alongside this, Cos is also a qualified Accountant and Personal Trainer and this is just some of his hidden talents. He kindly shares one of his poems, HIM, in this podcast and I am sure once you hear this you will follow him over on his instagram channel to learn more about him and hear so many more powerful poems.Thanks for listeningFree Audible book sign up:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Audible-Membership/dp/B00OPA2XFG?actionCode=AMN30DFT1Bk06604291990WX&tag=are86-21Best book on Mindset by Carol Dweck: Mindset https://amzn.to/2QajMvZSupport the podcast: https://www.patreon.com/findyourvoiceLinks to me:Website: https://www.arendeu.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/aren.deu/Twitter: https://twitter.com/arendeuFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/aren.singhLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aren-deu-65443a4b/Podcast: https://www.findyourvoicepodcast.com YouTube: http://tiny.cc/51lx6yLinks to guest:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cmklifestyle/ (Personal)Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mindfullfitness/ (Movement#JustDeuIt & #FindYourVoice[Music]welcome to an episode of find your voicea movement led by yours trulyAren do a guy who has overcomecrippling anxiety adversity anddifficulty like so many of you in lifewhose main goal now is to help youcombat your excuses take control of yourlife write your own story and mostimportantly find your voice so nowwithout further ado I welcome the hostof the show himself mr. Aren do what'sgoing on people thank you for tuning into another episode of find your voice myname is Aren and as always I am thehost of the show so like many of myguests I get really really passionateand excited to try and support them andI suppose that's the beautiful thingabout this show because it's real peopledoing real things just like me and youI'm really trying to make a differenceand today's guest is no differenttoday's guest goes by the name of Kosand I do apologize in advance but Ican't pronounce their surname but you'regoing to get all of that in the shownotes but what's important about thisindividual is what they've been throughin their life and I suppose even moreimportant than that is how they'vetackled their adversity they've tackledtheir mental health their depressiontheir feelings of suicide and reallycome out on the other side and now whatthey're doing is making an impact tohelp other people and that's just mykind of person and I'm sure it'sprobably your kind of person too so Ithink it's important that rather thanyou listen to me whoo yes once again Ihave a cold I think that's gonna be atheme of this show let's jump straightinto this interviewokay so firstly I just want to thankcause for coming on to the show todayand for all you listeners who are heresupporting our movement so my friend howyou doing today good morning I'm goodnot as early as you Baba fantastic youlike to hear you well we've had a bit oftechnical issues and it is slightlyearlier than normal so excuse our voicescool so you've heard the introductionI've explained cause his story but whatI want to know well I think what thelisteners want to know is more aboutyourself from you and I think it'simportant that they can get tounderstand your story youjourney and how you basically progressthrough life and ended up where you aretoday so if you wouldn't mind my friendif you could just give us a rundownbasically of the life of cause the lifeof course easily hey I think it's bestto start where I am now and then kind ofgo through how I got here so I'm aqualified charted accountant soundsriveting ah no he says exciting as itsoundswhoo guys recently qualified in Decemberand in the new year I've gone part timeto kind of tramp pursue my own endeavorsin life so starting from the beginning Iwas stopped when I was born because I'mquite old now or in my own eyes I'm oldbut I don't like to use the word sufferbut I've had anxiety my whole life andnow been listening to your your showshaven't they been amazing by the way Iappreciate that thank you just listen toyour different guests you know strugglesthey've had to go through and obstaclesthey face for me I've always felt itdifficult to kind of ask for helpbecause I've had I've had such a goodlife in something upbringingand the situation I'm in I've hadamazing parents I've never had to askfor anything not that was slow in anysense but I was given everything Ineeded clothes water the essentials andthat but from an early age I just felt Iwas different kind of like I had thesevoices in my head I used to think it wasit was good it was someone else I reallydon't know what it was and I find thiswent through life with it at school Inever really felt like I fit in whereason the outside poori it probably seemedlike I was that guy good at his workgone along with people but I kind ofquiz my anxieties I threw myself into mywork so I think into studying into beingthe best I can in that sense so I justdidn't feel comfortable socializing Ididn't feel comfort with myself and thensaw some much easier CSIS etc I left forsix oneI changed sixth one then and that's whenI started to spiral a bit looking backnow it's funny because I can see all mycatalysts I can see why I feel the way Ididwhere is at the time I just had no ideawhat's going on I'm just in my own mindso for me what gets me a look is changeand uncertainty and new things andespecially socializing in in newenvironments so change into a new sixthform with people I didn't know newsubjects just threw me off completelyand it might sound stupid some peoplebecause this is such a simple thing butfor me the biggest fact thing anyone canhandle is their own mind and that'ssomething I've always struggled with yesI might not have had big thermal in mylife a lot of people have but a lot ofpeople live in with their own minds andtry about that every day and people needto appreciate thatit is hard for a lot of people mm-hmm soyeah went to I went to six-month pickingup from then and firstly was extremelyhard for meI was probably on the debts ofdepression where it's back then I thinkwe know what the pressure was so Ididn't really see as that I just felt itwas me so my family helped me through alot I got through a levels my secondyear beta it was great because I wasmore comfortable in my environment andthen applied for university got goodgrades and got into UCL to studyeconomics and I think at UCL was thefirst time I really but I understandwhat the pressure was I start to gothrough it so I'm still living at hometraveling to London every day and justdidn't feel like I fit in they're alwayscomparing myself to others that I wasn'tgood enough to be there and then Istarted getting suicidal food so I standon train tracks and my mind we kill himto jump and yeah I in my mind I've - Iknow myself cuz I've never had thosethoughts before and I'm in the past I'venever when I've heard people who commitsuicide or taken her own life I've neverunderstood it but in that moment and nowI've been through it that's the onlyplace you see confort is by not beinghere not being with your mindWow is that is that kind of a thing thatyou've you've convinced yourself that itwould just be better off yeah a hundredpercent it's like you explore differentoptions so when I start to feel anxiousor when I'm gonna extremely the prostateI start to looklook at the fact that across the greenon the other side so I was at UCO and Iwas saying to my momI'm gonna quit I'm just gonna get jobI'm gonna apply to a different Union I'mgonna do this I'm gonna do that I alwaystry and wash one away because then allthat anxiety all that all that hurt willbe gone and over you place intosomething new so that's the first time Istarted seeing a counselor Britt at UCoh and while I was at UCL I write toanother university again seeing that thegrass is green on the other side justwant to get out of it so I startedstudying for my exams at UCL it's aboutApril time and then I've gotconfirmation that I was given anotherplace at Royal Holloway University I'vebeen sorry okay and I thought to myselfyou know what it's not worth the toiletturn won't burn through I'd literallywrite vice for all my exams the weekly Iwas gonna sit there but I decided that'sit I'm not sitting them because I justwant this this kind of cloud to be overso I quit or I gave up UCL andstraightaway I just felt that count hasbeen liftedI felt so good then I was like you knowwhat this is what I need like my nextuniversity is gonna be amazing I'm gonnafind so yeah that summer was great andthen September moved up to roll away tostop my new course and in the same thingstarted comparing myself to others newsituation a lot of social anxiety Ididn't go out a lot in my first year andlike I'd hear people in the kitchendrinking and stuff and I just be in myroomjust with my own thoughts Wow and I'mglad today I have amazing friends andamazing flat I'm still in touch with andthat's friends with your good may aswellfears off so she helped me through a loteven if she doesn't know it and bygetting my first year of uni I wasthinking I need to apply to another uniit's gonna be better on the other side Ineed to take my course something to dothis I applied for a job and luckily youknow I was convinced to stay I lost myfirst year went on to the second yearand that is the biggest term like mylife is the second year I just spiraledout of control just in myselfamong thoughts just not being able tocall or be in social situations withpeople my first day my room up my mum mysister would always come and visit me tomake sure I was okay because they wereextremely worried about me of courselike I used to lock myself in my roomthen and research how to end my lifebecause it's the only way I can see anend to it and I knew how wrong that thatwas and the the only thing that stoppedme from ever doing it then was yes myfamily like what we do to them but I'mactually getting emotional saying thissorry man please take your timebut yeah the most it's really silly butthe thing that stopped me was I wouldn'tend my life right and my parent wouldhave to look after me and like her in astate where I think people looking aftermyself yeah sorry man no no I can onlyimagine what what you're going throughbecause my level of desire is nothingcompared to your level of depression andwe spoke briefly before we had thisinterview that you know it took the best8 years of my mom's life away and Ithink unless you live with somebodywho's going through or somebody it's sodifficult because from the surface Imean you look at your Instagram you lookat yeah the way the way you conductyourself your poetry which you're goinglater on in the interview it's just likethis kind of depression you know youjust know isn't no more that is itnormally is somebody you can relate tobut it's it's amazing how some it's notsomething so simple but something likeyour mind can just completely just yetturn your world upside down and it's oneof my favorite quotes ever and Iprobably say to myself at least six orseven times a week not because I do itbut because it just helps with thingsinto perspective and it's comparison isthe thief of joy you said that you hadins ie from a very young age and I meanI'm 32 now and I'm kind of peeling backthe onion layers using an analogy ofwhen I started getting anxiety and Ithink yes having reflected and lookingback at myself I'm able to find certainmoments in my life like when I was sixor seven I was atshit I was actually quite anxious thenand then maybe that's really kind ofsnowboard have you been able to in yourcurrent situation not be able to lookback and find these key triggers or haveyou always just known yourself to beanxious no a hundred percent if I knewone who I knew now about myself I couldhave controlled a lot of what happenedto me and not let it happencould you elaborate so my anxieties mycatalysts are changed like newsituations where that's a new job newUniversity a new subject I'm studyinguncertainty so I'm a perfectionist as Isaid before I used to put myself into mywork and just try and excel at that soif I'm not the best at something I startto get anxious might sound stupid butthat's just the way I am so it's notstupidso you've always had this in psyche yeahand now you knowing what you know nowyou've said you can obviously look backand think I could have changed stuffwhat kind of things I mean I'm thinkingpractical things here for somebody who'smaybe a little bit younger thanourselves who's going through thismoment they're just constantly anxioushave changed like yourself and being inthese kind of environments what wouldyou kind of say to them now the onenumber one thing does has helped me themost about anything is talking about itso talking about how you feel because Iwould often just keep everything balledup inside me and whereas today I'm openas hell honesty oh are you guys to swearon this podcast may you can do whateveryou want thank fuck for that that's finesome people might not like that but youknow sometimes it's one of the only waysyou can express it sometimes one or twoepisodes myself sonot a problem mate so yes second year ofuniversity extremely down I went to sawa doctor there who prescribed me afterdepressants and I'm back then I hadnever taken a tablet in my life not evena paracetamol just nothing I was justagainst putting foreign substances in mybody so I got prescribed down to theirpresence I went and got them but I didnot take them and I came back home forChristmas and I was just so so bad oneday my dad leave she just got me in thecar drove me off the sorry and when hemom didn't say hello to any of myhousematesjust went in my drawer guys I depresswe drove all the way back home to NorthLondon and I started taking them andthey helped me massively they're therethey're a tool for helping you they'renot a magic pill that's gonna makeeverything go away could you have to putyou have to put other things in yourlife that's gonna help you get throughbut they definitely help just balanceout the chemicals in your brain and theway you think think mm-hmm and so Istarted taking them must I've seen atherapist as well and then I startedgoing to the gym again so I was injuredat the time I got really depressed theymy substitute but I had a fun injuryokay that's unique yeah so I couldn'treally lift weights and so as soon asthat healed in the new year that's likea gym again I started feeling good Istopped them seeing my therapist eventhough he advised me to carry on and Ifinished my second year third year wasgreat really enjoyed it when I almost Ihad finished uni over to 1/2 percent offat first which again I beat myself upagain about don't beat yourself up todayI by the time I was in tears thatliterally so fun and and then yeahapplied for a job took me eight monthsto get a job and I had no idea what todo with my life was planned foreverything in anythink mmmgot over Owen into accountancy and thenstart here and then things that Ispiralling down again so and evenprobably even deeper depression I had inmy second year and the extreme thatsuicidal thoughts I just didn't knowwhat I want to do with my lifeespecially working full-time andstudying and studying for something youdidn't you didn't really want like Ididn't know if I wanted to be anaccountant up in all this effort into itwhat am i what am i giving to otherpeople what I'm given to the world bybeing an accountantthat's just how and I just didn't see medoing anything else so I I said to mymom not gonna quit and the Khan teachI'm gonna quit and do this and quit anddo that and my mom bless her she she'shelping me a lot but I know howfrustrating it is she understands fullyjohnstad 3 but I know how frustrating isto try and help someone who nothingseems to help themselves and you can seethe same things happening again in termsyou wanted to just change again to a newsituationso I stopped taking as the presents whenI was at Union swell after that Sigmaperiod and I was at work I cited themagain I'm slicing the therapist againand a major thing that helped me getthrough if I did not do this I would nothave qualified to try to count and I maynot be alive today I'm being honest withyou I told him what I told myself aboutmy depression so I went spokes inmanagers I went spoke the partners inthe firm and they were so so good aboutit honestlythat's brilliant like they helped memassively they put things in place forme and I felt I could go and talk topeople about it more mm-hm so yeah itwas tough as hell and I qualified aboutthis December just gone so I'm currentlyin the process of coming up mad for thepresents fantasticI'll be off them in about two weeks I'vedefinitely felt some side effects butthey start to wear off and I'm feelinggood about life now and the mostimportant thing about anything thatbeing through mum I don't like to usethe word happy up being through it I'mkind of I'm glad for which taught me andso six months ago if I was doing thispodcast review I know I was in tears alittle bit before but I would not beable to talk about this with withanybody whereas now I don't give a fuckI put it on Instagram I talk abouttrying to speaking about their feelingsespecially especially as a man today inthe society there's so much manypressures a lot of stance what about 100percent mate it's a it's an ego maybesurprise thing I don't know what it iswith guys we don't realize thatvulnerability is actually a truestrength and I spoke about thispreviously again I'd recommend if youcan listen to Lewis Howes I think he'sgot a book the mask of masculinity andit's a fantastic book because I think asguys you're doing something there thatis something that we don't do and I'mnot stereotyping it but how many of usreally talk about stuff when we feel ohbecause it's a bravado thing isn't it wecan't show weakness we can't show thatwe're feeling down or low and I thinkthe reason I was really interested ingetting you on this show is or becauseyou've touched on something there so wespoke about the social enterprise thatI'm working on with mywe're going to get back to mental healthand awareness the first question askedthough was what do you want like if weraise awareness is it money is it likematerialistic things what kind of thingswould make you guys feel better and shesays somebody should talk to you andthat brings us to the whole thing thatwe spoke about prior to this episode isI'm gonna open up just centers I'm gonnahire them for the day get people who aregoing through it people who haveovercome it to just maybe talk about itand I know that might sound like such asimple thing from the outside but you'vetouched on it now as wellthe world needs to speak it's thesimplest of things look us I say toeveryone I don't see anxiety as anillness this is my this is my personalopinion yeah everyone has anxiety butjust different levels of a spectrumdepression is the lowest of the low thusthat that's an illness that's somethingyou can you need to case of our but thedifference between me and the guyssitting next to me the only differencebetween us is I can talk about it now Italk about it that's the only differencethe guy still has anxiety 100% differentmaybe different levels different aspectsin his life but he just doesn't talkabout it that's the difference and bytalking about it which you've been doingmore openly now and some of it's throughyour poetry is all which is fantastic aswell have you genuinely seen like ashift in like your overall moods and didthe severity of your laws as well Oh100% like if I have a load they know ifI don't know they in the past I comehome and I keep all my stuff where it'sI come home now and thank what my sisteris my rock honestly I would not behonestly hands-down I would not be aliveabout her today and she has she's notbeen through depressiontouchwood and thank God but even so ashard it was for her to help me she wasjust there to listen even if she didn'tunderstand she was just there to listenand put small things in place to me forme and so yeah I remember this one timeat university when I was when I was homefor that Christmas when I was really badI had an essay to write and I told her Ijust can't do it I'm gonna quit but sheliterally sat down with me and made mewrite for five minutes at a time when wego and have a break and come back onwrite for five minutes so that's amazingyeah she's been amazing and you'refortunateto have that because there's so manypeople out there you may not necessarilyhave that kind of support network aswell yeah because like you've touched onit's an illness and it's because it'snot physical because it's not like yourthumb for example or yeah you knowsomebody's leg broken or something it'sit's internal and again because peoplearen't speaking what we're doing iswe're masking everything with it with itwith a smile or Facebook post orInstagram post but deep down we'verarely know what somebody's goingthrough exactly it's just scary and Ithink I think living with it is scary soI can only imagine what you're goingthrough so again I just want to saythank you for for really sharing thestory no problem I just want to say umthank what I've not been in the pressdate for about two and a half years nowyes I live with anxiety but I am knowingthat press date and I'm I will fight mymy utmost not to go back there and helpanyone else to come out absolutely andI'm not I'm not in a position to giveyou any advice having not been throughwhat you've been through but yeah thenthere's a simple quote we use it for ourfor our business that me or mom aregoing to start it's okay not to be okayyeah I don't know it sounds simple butit's so important that we understandthat because myself I mean I don'tsuffer with depression but I will wakeup on it on a Monday or a Tuesday itcould be any day of the week and I willbe in an absolute funk and I'm like whydo I feel like shit like nothing's gonewrong like you know my health is they'remy wife's happy my mom's finethere's nothing actually happened inthat day I've slept well but then youknow what you just you just feel reallylow and you got like no motivation andstuff and I used to beat myself up aboutthat because I just think I've got somuch stuff to do I need to change theworld I need to do this at least getmyself up now it's kind of like Iliterally say that quote to myself it'sokay not to be okay and all I'll do ison that particular day or do stuff likeI'll go to the gym I'll try and keep mynutrition as well as possible becauseobviously that helps your mind andeverything I try and speak with my wifeor my brother or my mom in the day justto kind of cheer me up and I might stillbe in a bit of a funk to the end of theday but the next day it all washes overrather than me dwelling on it and thenhating myself like throughout the weekthat kind of makes sense so it'sfantastic that it's been like two and ahalf years and there for yourself comingoff it but if you ever do find yourselfperhaps going a bit lower just knowthat listen mate you've come out of itso many times yeah kicking and fightingyou're doing great that it will be okayand you'll be alright you next thing Iappreciate I know and and such know whatyou said I've learned that saw so ondays from the rule of and you you won'tknow why but you just have to take sometime out for yourself and on those dayseven today I've made wake up and I mightfeel a bit low I know I know deep downthere is something causing that maybenot the day before maybe not on that daybut a week my ass something I didn'ttackle where it was on my to-do listwhich is still bugging me yeah orsomeone I didn't talk to or someone Isaid something to which is bugging mebugging me now and why I feel low so Ipersonally I think there's always a rootcause somewhere it's not always easy tofindmmm there's always something that'sthat's led you to feel that way I thinkyou're right there somebody elsementioned this actually I think it wason Episode three and it's about findingthat that deep meaning and I thinkbecause we're so most of us wake up inthe world whatever is on our phone or Iemail a job it will it will dictate ourdate we very rarely get time to sit backand actually reflect upon our life ourcircumstances in our situations and Ithink if we could do that probably haveless of those days because it isprobably a cumulative effect of thingspropping up and then you've got thislevel of like I don't know burden oranxiety or something that will kind ofjust hit you on one day and you'resitting there thinking what's going onhere but it's actually like you saidpossibly something that's that'shappened a few days ago that's powerfulso the funny thing is it's like there'sno like magic secret is there they'renot I mean if there was then the worldwouldn't struggle a bit like Fitnessyeah if we had the magic pill nobodywould be obese and it's kind of findingI suppose did you touched on it earlierhis voice you've got this toolkit nowyes the the antidepressant tablets helpyou control the chemical imbalancethat's going on but you've also got atoolkit of stuff that you've probablyhad through your therapist yeah thosewho probably gives you different toolsthat you can literally bring out as andwhen you need them because that's kindof how my mom explains it as well ahundred percent like I'm kind ofreinvent the tools they gave me to workfor meso something that I do massively when Ifeel extremely anxious I don't if you'veseen on my Instagram or that bar splitpage into and I'm one on one side Iwrite my negative feelings and emotionsand on the other side I write a healthypoint of view and it just helps meconceptualize how I'm feeling it kind ofbrings you out of my brain onto paperand kind of I can actually write down adifferent way of or view in it mmm yeahyour Instagram is brilliant and you'regonna get the oddest friend requests bythe way because I've asked my mom tofollow your Instagram because some ofyour stuff is like I can't get some ofit like I get like 80% of it send mebecause I've lived with my mom my momwas like my best well she is my bestfriend and and I'll sin what he's donelike taken away from her life so it'skind of I know that if she can read yourmessages and listen to your poetry Imean you know huh no gtv sorry yourstories your Instagram stories it willhelp and it resonate with her so yeahI'm obviously gonna put all the linksfor the listeners as well to know yoursocial medias at the end of it because Ithink it's really important that you'veseen someone who's yeah you you're notfully 100% over it at the minute butyou're dealing with it and you'redealing with it in the best way and eachtime you're getting better betterequipped and hopefully somebody who'sprobably earlier down the journey theycan benefit from yourself and this isthe whole point of this podcast is thatthey can learn from your your experienceof suppose and hopefully change theirlife for the better sooner exactlythat's that's the thing like I am NOTI'm not perfect I'm not free to stormyou never will because life justfrustrate you all the time I've come andbut the only thing I can do is just tryand help people through how I try tohelp myselfmmm and you are so yeah just try and beas real as I can on Instagram you knowlet people know how much it days becauseInstagram is a is a fake world really itisn't it's a highlight reel is which iswhy I appreciate like your content sokeep that going buddy I'm gonna switchthe pace a little bit now so I know someof the stuff that you do on a dailybasis but I think it's important for thelisteners who have heard about yourstory to understand what your dailyroutine is like so I'm a big bigbeliever that we are the results of thethoughts we tell ourselves and reallyhabits and so what's your daily routinefrom the moment you wake up to themoment you go to sleep well or every dayis different and I'm not gonna I can'tlie to you hmmI don't have a daily routine I'm stilltrying to work out myself in terms of Iknow what what would work well for mebut I haven't put it in place so I'velistened to one of your podcast one ofyour early ones about the guy who usedthe miracle morning that's right yeahchin very good friend yeah I knew thatwas a great podcast by the way thank youso yeah I bet the miracle morning thingwas last year and I started putting alot of things into practice in themorning not felt great and but thenexams came around again from my accountsand I just fell off it well I havecertain things I do during a week ratherthan a daily routine a daily routine issomething I'm working on in 2019 okay Ineed to incorporate meditation I need toincorporate leaving my phone out of myroom in the end of the day because thatjust adds to anxiety mm-hmm so thingsthat I do on a weekly basis to try andhelp me and relieve my stress is numberone you probably see a lot on InstagramI love my Costa Coffee yeah I love goingthere by myself taking a book readingmaybe writing some poetry just sittingthere watching the world and just beingcomfortable in my own thoughts I love myalone time now and another big thingdaily is Jim obviously so I usuallythrough that after work and it literallyjust puts me in a difference day ofnight it's almost like meditationabsolutely almost like meditation andyou're just there with your own thoughtsmusic in or not and you're justconcentrating on pushing the way upyou're not thinking about your pastdecisions you made you not think aboutthe future you're just in that momentthere and then so that helps memassively another daily routine mealprep obviously every morning but yeahI'm I'm still learning I'm stilllearning about routines and I will haveit together soon but like you've toucheddown there even myself my routinechanges from like year to year becauseyou always you're almost tweaking it soI've done the whole waking up at 4:00a.m. and then working my ass offbut then what would happen is at twoo'clock in the afternoon you not crashand let's sleep for like an hour and ahalf because I'm absolutely knackered sothen I was like this is pointless and sothen I mixed it up and now it's likeI'll wake up at 6 or 7 it depends onbasing my day so if you'll get an earlypodcast or I forgot like an investormedium or something like that then I'lltweak it but generally speaking I don'treally care what time I wake up becauseI believe it's what you do in the daybut you've got some great habits inthere like like the gym the meal prep Imean that you're feeding your bodyyou're feeding your mind there so it'sabout utilizing your time and takingchunks out of the day where you canreally be productive in terms ofwhatever your end goal is and a greatbook that I've read that is gonna helpme put that my favorite Wiens practiceis called the room of the rhythm of lifeby Matthew Kelly the rhythm of life okso I know you you follow my mindfulfitness page yeah yeah I do I'verecently just started following thatyeahthat's that's in the making and mytherefore mindful fitness is stemmingoff that book really so what walks aboutin that book is you have essential meansin life to survive so you have you haveoxygen you have a young Ward so you needthose things or you will diebut what people often neglect is theirlegitimate needs and there's four ofthese and we collect them because we'retoo busy day today which is sofast-paced in our lives and but thosefour needs our physical needs sonutrition and exercise emotional needswhich is relationships with people wherethat's going to get coffee with a friendtalking someone haven't talked in a longtime then you have your spiritual needsa bit harder to define for me it's justbeing being comfortable yourselfspending some alone time with throughmeditation going for a walk in natureand the fourth one is intellectual needswhich is knowledge and learning newthings and we often neglect a lot ofthose and one trying to do is encompassthose in my life and try and help peopleencompass those in this because when oneof those things are off that's when youranxiety will spike yeah yeah that's sointeresting that's powerful I'm gonnaI'm gonna attach that book actually therhythm of life by Matthew Kelly you saidyeah yes brilliant Kay I'll add that toobviously you're you've got to Instagrampages as well would you at the bottom soI'll have a look at that I appreciatethat buddy thank you look into thatfantastic okay sothe next question is about adversity andwhat I want you to do is if you could goback in time and think of a time thatyou faced great adversity but youpersevered through it so just oneparticular time and I want you toexplain how you won obviously theadversity to how you got through it andthree what are the lessons that youtaught you at the end of it oh JesusChristget your thinking cap on okay my figuredyou know you know I said to you beforethis podcast you sent me the questionsin that and I was gonna happen littleread about them you haven't read all ofyou know what last night yeah I upgradedmy iPhone on Saturday and it deletewhatsapp conversations lost by a 10o'clock and I was like sheets messagesjust suck up do it which is why I thinkthis episode so far is so intriguingfascinating because everything you'resaying is if you know it's not youhaven't scripted it out it's literallyjust you speaking from the heart so Ialways find that more authentic thereason I do give the questions thatbefore is just because some peoplesuffer with is ie exactly okay well youhear anyway the question has been askedjust have a have a few moments again anydead time and stuff I can always edit ithow so I'll probably cost me becauselike a particular situational momentbecause there just been so many my lifeand I've had to come out of wellprobably my latest one is justqualifying as a child accountant loadsof adversity faced there whether it waswork just not seeing myself was goodenough in septal workout producing theknowledge that I have and just comparingmyself to others that within my firmsort of thing and yet having to go backon antidepressants was a big blow for meit helped me massively enough if anyoneis taken out to the presence there'sabsolutely nothing against them I was ona about 20 milligrams a citalopram ifany of you listeners know just stop givethem the information and I've been onthat for about three years since I likemy jobthere's no comment and slowly slowly Iwas prescribedten just before Christmas so 10milligrams taking one every day for twoweeks and then I take one every otherdayfor two weeks and now I'm in a processof just taking two tablets a week forthe next two weeks and I'll be off themand yes I defects for anyone gran outthere there are massive side effects soI did feel a lot more rumination comeinto play so just kin stuff very a lotmore emotional and very snappy er peopleclose to me I love my family so Iapologise to them on here I'm sure Iunderstandyeah and very very tired and lethargicbut now honestly I feel amazing honestlyI really do feel good brilliant mateokay so the next question it's we'regoing to get to happiest if I show youso today it's a memory but but the nextquestion is what is your biggest fear mybiggest fear is probably going back intoa depressed state massively that's mybiggest fearand the fear of that I think helps mekeep keep out of it and is that throughyour daily discipline like the stuffthat you doing the stuff you you'resaying to yourself 100% like things Isay to myself just be more open andtalking now and actually feeling like Ihave something comments to pursue like Ihonestly believe I've been through whatI've been through for a reason aseveryone will probably say but I'm onthis earth not not to be an accountantlike I love my job and I love the peopleI work with but my true calling is justto help people help themselvesjust bring me talking about experiencesand everyone can do that and you will doyou helping me and I've gone through itmyself even just some of the stuff yousay you know it's making so much moresense but we are a result of the thingswe tell ourselves then just on thatpoint I think that's really importantit's something I'm trying to get my momand anyone on all going through thatsimilar situation to do as well becausea very very quick example a little bitabout myself is yeah suffering withanxiety and be shy I've always basicallywalked looking at the floor kind of likewith a hunchback if you can kind ofimagine that so my hands in my pocketand I've never really making eye contactwith anyone and I'm just kind of walkingand I remember recently I think it wasabout two weeks ago we went for somefood and I saidmy friends I hadn't seen for about sixmonths and he goes have you gottentaller and I was like what like pubertywhen a long time ago me and he was likeno you've gotta be like taller and I waslike well I've always been this tall soI'm like I'm just six foot eight sixfoot and I was kind of like just thesame height as in and you kind ofshocked and what I realized was so I'vebeen doing like affirmations and tellingmyself stories every single morning ispart of my morning ritual and one of thethings is I am confident I am no longershy I am and I would say well theseempowering words to myself and withoutrealizing it without even thinking aboutit my physical body had changed which Ijust find fascinating that's somebodywho I've known for like the best part of16 years had come up to miss it manyou've just grown a few inches but it'sbecause my demeanors changed now mychest is proud and that there's no levelof arrogance or anything in that it'sjust I'm just confident knowing myselfand I'm not this shy anxious person whoscared the world or what people will sayabout me I'm comfortable in my own skinand the other thing about you is you'regoing to the gym and you're gettingbigger so that's probably right myfoodstuffs I do try and eat outbrilliant so we spoke about your fearwhat is your motivation then what keepsyou going even on the days when you'rein a funk for example lucky gentlemanwhat keeps me going is knowing I'm herefor a bigger reason than myself mmmdeep down when I still help him myfamily around me helping friends helpingpeople I don't even know and that reachout to me not try not good as much as Ican but just believed I found somethingcaught truly believing and anyone outthere like I know how hard it is to notknow your purpose it like be being a jobor be a plan for job in a union not knowwhat what a fuck you want to do of yourlifeyeah and it doesn't matter how would youget it I believe one day we'll justspark like if you asked me a year agowhat when I do I have no idea andwhereas things have just lightssparking and you know pulling into placeand that will happen for you it's justabout whether you're you're willing totake the risk to go and pursue thosedreams that's all it is I love that thatis so true and I think I always urgepeople now so even like my youngerbrotherI urge people to just try new things anddo different things because 12 monthsago May being a podcast host wasprobably the last thing I'd ever want todo other than it'll be an out of a planeI mean and I'm at I'm actually debatedwhether I'm gonna do that in the nextyear or so jumping out the plane safelyshould we say yeah trying anything crazyobviously with it with all this rightpeople around but it's weird how you howyour passion just develops my actualpassion now is like you said it's makingthat true impact it's making thatdifference in life so yeah the beautifulthing with that is is forcing me to comeout of my comfort zone hence doing apodcast hence putting myself out thereon social media and doing this podcastopening that business with more mommiesit's crazy to think that I would havebeen doing this because I just didn'tthink I would so I think you've hit thenail on the head there people shouldjust go out there take that risk trustthat it will fall into place because Itruly believe it won't but at the sametime everyone's journey is different sojust because it's falling I think inplace for somebody out there he doesn'tnecessarily mean it's going to be thesame for you it could be at 22 or itcould be at 50 but don't don't comparebasically what I'm trying to say exactlybecause I've people might look at me andsay oh he's a qualified accountant hesaw it for life now I'm just I've chosento go part-time comma salary you knowmoney doesn't money you need itunfortunately you need money but I'mfocused on my happiness right now whenI'm going part-time to to actually gofor what I truly want to do okayfantastic so there you've heard thebuzzer and we are now in the fun part ofthis show so this is a quickfire 60seconds where I'm gonna be asking costsall sorts of wonderful and weirdquestions and the beautiful thing is hehasn't read the show notes so you haveno idea what I'm gonna ask him andthey're not the same questions as alwaysI do like to mix it up a little bit butso please are you ready buddy I'm readyokay we're gonna start in 3 2 1okay the ability to fly or be invisiblefly money or fame fame singing ordancing singingNetflix on YouTube that thinks Marvel orDC I don't watch evil okay Batman orSuperman Superman favorite TV show everoh Jesus Christ soprano would you ratherhow you will die or when you were dyingwhen I would die love or moneylove books or movies books if you couldsit with one person in the world for anhour who would it be my sister yourworst fear growing up getting older whatis your biggest addiction Instagram ifyou could abolish one thing in the worldwhat would it be depression yourfavorite song ever compete J : Drake anysongs French or Spanish Spanish pizza orsteakthey comedy or horror comedy and thelast one which is completely randomwhich is wizards which is the funnything is I wrote these like a long timeago so I'm looking at it myself to getwhat okay brilliantthe answer about your sister as well Ithink I think she's gonna love to hearthis back I'm sure you tell her anywayon a daily basis but if you're anythinglike me sometimes I shy away fromtelling the people I love the most Icare for him so much and it's probablysomething that I should do as well butso we run to the one but last questionand this one's always about reflectionbecause I always believe hindsight is awonderful thing and upon reflection wecan always think of ways to get to wherewe are quicker easier or we lessheartache and we wouldn't be the peoplewe are today if it wasn't for theprocess I've been through so what I wantto know is if you could go back in timeto that one moment where you reallystruggled and suffered with adversityand you could just whisper something inyour ear knowing exactly what you knownow what would you say say to yourselfoh I probably tell myself to tell peoplehow you feel and because yeah it'sextremely hard even by looking back andeven the you for today it's hard toexpress how you feel whether that'sbecause you're gonna be mocked on socialmedia your friends won't understandbecause of different maturity levels ahyeah just be just just talking about howyou feel just talk about it I love thatand I want to get you to do if you don'tmind one of your poems now I thinkbecause you've been through it youcouldn't you can hear the passion inyour voice as well are you just beforeyou start this are you thinking aboutdoing books or ebooks or anything onthatOasis I want to release a bookpoetry book and also I'm in a process oftrying to gather to do like spoken wordevents okay um so I wanna go and performpoetry and and yeah it's funny how Ionly started writing I used to writepoetry a lot for Mother's Day cards uhmy mom she's probably got loads of poemswhich is quite handy because every timemy sister would ask me what we shouldget my mom article I'll just write whatlast year I went to Cyprus and mygranddad was writing poetry in Greek Ohwhat just about turmoil he's beenthrough in his life and stuff I wentover to Cyprus by myself actually justto save my grandparents for a coupleweeks and I thought you know what maybeI should try writing down stuff as wellso it's the one I'm gonna read is thefirst one I wrote in Cyprus some of someof them when I write them I can kind ofI don't feel this way anymore but cankind of go back to how I felt and writethe emotions down which is yeah yeahwhich is quite good for me and so yeahthe one I'm gonna read this the firstone ever wrote when I started writingproperly and it's called him him love itlet's go all right so here miss just thegame playing with my mind an easy targetfor him he always seems to find healways seems to be there to put me in myplace lurking a scheming like a puff ofsmoke all up in my face and I are closedmy eyes praying that he'll go but in themorning he's still there he always seemsto show he follows me constantly like ahovering dark cloud I turned to look atmelook at him in the face sometimes and hesmiled was also proud what did he wantfrom me what about done a question everyday my whole life he seems to have takenand he's here to stay but one day itseems to click and I look all aroundhe has no physical presence so how canhe be so profound that's when I realizedI'm living in the past and future withmy other thinking mind an easy targetfor him he'll never ever find Wowthat is powerful yeah and there that'sthat's about depression may that's atalent there you know you've got may gotmany talents you work out well you'vegot the accountancy going for you you'vegot this poetry going for you yeah andif your aim is to like change change theworld for the better and help people whohave been through similar situation toyourself like you know it's going to beexcited understand I mean people likeand we've never actually met in personbut with people like you is voice allabout as well I appreciate that and it'sthe reason I love doing this is becauseafter after speaking with somebody Ialmost feel like a new level ofconnection if that make sense so it'slike I see you like as a friend now Imean I've probably spoken to more indepth about personal stuff than I dowith some of my friends and butgenuinely like my hand is here if younever need it if ever there's anythingthat I can help you with in the futureif ever there's times that you feel andor anything because it is about justhelping each other up because there'sgoing to be times where I might needthat for example yeah 100% you know I'mhere absolutely hit me a messageabsolutely I appreciate it and you justkeep doing what you're doing because Ithink you're gonna you gonna inspire somany people and like I said my mom'sgonna be fun in you hopefully today Ididn't tell you yesterday so alrightI'll look up no pages yeah she typesquite funny I was always left for thembecause she taught me like the onefinger thing and it doesn't always makesense but I just think it's importantbecause I think any age any demographicsor whatever it is your message is justtrue we are at the last question now forJenny and this is a question that Iasked all of my guests and it's if in150 years time science is unable to saveus and we are no longer about and allthat exists is a book and this book isabout the story of your life it's astory that you've written moving on fromnow up until the day that you sadly passaway what I want to know is firstly whatdoes a blurb say about you I a summaryto make someone you really want to pickthat up and think actually I'minterested in this person and secondlywhat would you call the title of yourbook OhI think my book would have to be apoetry book rather than biography andthe title of the book I think would bememoirs of an anxious mind and the blurI don't think would say too much at allit would just say I don't even know apoem perhaps that could kind of sum upyour yeah a poem that sums up or just aman in his mind just an anxious mindfull stop just something plain andsimple and the poetry and the poems willspeak for themselves about thesituations about the feelings andemotion that's powerful I think you alsolisten to episode one I thought youmight have not been getting this by herewhy keV and the beautiful thing withKevin's as well because he's my boxingtrainer he's a lovely chap but he alsodoes poetry as well yeah and I just findit I find it fascinating because likekeV you do poetry and I listen to acouple of years as well and we're in theprocess of kind of resurfacing himbecause he's got him in like normalbooks and I'll say maybe you could selfpublish it get it out there because Ijust feel like really hit yourheartstrings so it's powerful buddy it'sbeen an absolute pleasure I just want tothank you for your time again andapologies for the stuff in the morningobviously it took us about 30 minutes toget skies it's got going but at leastyou managed to find your voice yeah theshameless plug there from the morningbut what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna putlinks to all your social medias that Iknow but if there is anything else oranywhere else you want people to findyou because I think it's important thatpeople can follow your journey andpeople can learn from you learn from youyou can maybe help them if you wouldn'tmind where's the best place to find youthe best place for me is probably mypersonal Instagram page which is cmklifestyle and then my other page whichis up and running and I want to stop ita lot more up there as my businessexpense is mindful fitness spelt withdouble L and actually spoke incorrectlyby accident but actually actually worksreally well now and you know there'sactually a funny turn on Instagram youcan only one person can have a name inthe worldyeah for a name so mindful fitnessdouble-l was taken so I originally hadto call it mindful doc fitness and Ifound the woman she was in a miracle anda person who had mindful fitness and thename and I said to my friend I'm gonnamessage her and ask her if I can haveher name like we can switch and wouldlike don't be silly she's not gonna dothat so I sent her a long message I seethem two at the MS they're like Iliterally spilled out my heart out toher and asked if we could swap names umand I've got a message the next morningand she said she'd be happy to for $50so I sent over fifty dollars a night andshe's got mindful dot fitness sofantastic yeah see that it's all of itsall about sliding into DMZI love that okay um are you active onany anything else or should we juststick to Instagram for now Instagram fornow and then I'll be expanding prettysoon fantastic and obviously once peoplecan finally find you on thereyou're quite active in terms of yourstory so they can obviously fun of yourjourney I'll be finding your journey mayit's been an absolute pleasure speakingto you this isn't going to be the lasttime you speak but obviously offline ifI can help you in any way and vice versaI'd like like you're helping me you'rehelping my mom as of today and you'll behelping many other people as well so Iwant to say thank you to you and to thelisteners at home thanks for listeningand remember this podcast is absolutelyfree so all we ask in return is for youto share this with a friend and drop usa five star review over on iTunes havean awesome day See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Find your voice - Episode 7 - The Way I Changed The World - Mus Jones Yafai #7Tagline: "They are willing to do this, no matter the circumstances, no matter the time of the day, no matter who you are, they are willing to take your child, no matter what!"Mus Jones Yafai is a wonderful human being who needs your support in raising awareness for his wonderful cause, Child Safe. Having experienced a child abudction attempt on his younger child Mus has made it his lifes purpose to ensure the public are aware of all the ways possible to safe guard their children and other peoples children from abducters.With shocking statistics, it is the first time in my life I felt scared for anyone with children, for my younger siblings, for my own family members. I felt somewhat oblivious to all that was going on, only to really be woken up by this.I urge you all, to listen to this episode or at the very least follow Mus over on his social media outlets and help support this amazing cause to better safeguard the children of our future generations.P.s. it is not everyday you hug a grown bodybuilder the first time you see them!Thanks for listeningFree Audible book sign up:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Audible-Membership/dp/B00OPA2XFG?actionCode=AMN30DFT1Bk06604291990WX&tag=are86-21Best book on Mindset by Carol Dweck: Mindset https://amzn.to/2QajMvZSupport the podcast: https://www.patreon.com/findyourvoiceLinks to me:Website: https://www.arendeu.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/aren.deu/Twitter: https://twitter.com/arendeuFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/aren.singhLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aren-deu-65443a4b/Podcast: https://www.findyourvoicepodcast.com YouTube: http://tiny.cc/51lx6yLinks to guest:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/yafaichildsafe/ (Child Safe)Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mus.yafai (Personal)Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/childsafe1kickstarter campaign:http://kck.st/2UuLWPM#JustDeuIt & #FindYourVoicewelcome to an episode of find your voicea movement led by yours trulyAaron do a guy who has overcomecrippling anxiety adversity anddifficulty like so many of you in lifewhose main goal now is to help youcombat your excuses take control of yourlife write your own story and mostimportantly find your voice so nowwithout further ado I welcome the hostof the show himself mr. Aaron due toanother episode of find your voice myname is Aaron and as always I am thehost of the show so it's very rareyou're gonna see two grown men embraceafter an interview in fact you're notgonna see that because I never recordedit but this individual was an amazingperson that after this interview weactually we had a moment and I say thatbecause I thought a true connection tothis person and I trust my gut feeling Ihaven't been a social worker in myprevious life this is a person who's outthere really trying to change the worldand more importantly what he's trying totackle is gonna affect almost everysingle one of us because it's aboutchildren and that's one of the mostimportant things in the world if you askme so I'm gonna literally jump into theinterview you're gonna hear about anamazing person who's doing amazingthings but he's also had some incredibleexperiences something that I don't wishupon anyone so without further ado let'sget this interview on the way okay so Iam sitting here now with moss so how youdoing today man good very goodalways and yourself very well than thecold yeah thank you for taking timeevery day I think it's important forlisteners to obviously get a story aboutyourself from you because rather than mykind of narrative yeah so if youwouldn't mind if you could just give usa little bit about your life maybe yourupbringing just like key stuff that youthink would be important and relevantfor this story and then we want toreally touch on the word that you'redoing today which I'm really excitedabout but be good to get everyone tojust get to know you a little bitokay well I'm a family of 11 Wow okaysix reverse two sisters we grew up in athree-bedroom house wasn't easy but wewere so it was fun and scary at the sametime see living with strict Muslimparents okay no people tend to stillreally know about it's not about thereligion it's about culture the cultureis completely different I did aboutChristmases I do like birthdays but thatmade me appreciate life even more nowespecially with my children yeah I meanso I'm very grateful to have the littlethings with someone tries to give me agift now I'm not well then so growing upyou know growing up I played Lockerbieokay I plan to the playing professionalwould be the age 80 after playing rugbyand then when two universities my degreeafter doing a sports degree no idea whatI was doing constantly searching for itand I always wondered what is it whatI'm going to do in life until now Ibelieve we all have a destiny absolutelyno matter when it will happen in ourlife we don't know as we keep searchinggood surgeon and I found when I stoppedsearchingI think everyone's trying to find theperfect age I suppose yeah or they'llsee somebody else next door to findingit that's not necessarily your storypeople these days well they see was theysee the value of money objects as wellyou know you know I do as well you seesomeone if I want to do that look wellthen you realize they put that hard workin I haven't just been handed it to andthen this day when their work you knowtheir lives to get those things I alwayssay that I think it's so easy to look atso you see people on Instagram forexample or Facebook and they'resuccessful they've got a nice car moneyand you like it's easy for them well isit really easy for ya do you know whatthey win through the power sisterjourney and actuallyyeah okay that's interesting so youdidn't use your degree actually touchedon phase of your path so eleven childrenin your house are you the middle one theolder young yes are you the young oh yeshe's a pretty one yes we are at theCouncil of four children okay justbefore we go into this it was mine ofcourse so you've got your degree yourealize you're not gonna do nothing withthe degree I can relate to thatyeah and you do something now what'shappening in between here is this momargue just be lost the wall no this isall found one supposed to do now this iscompletely and it took something tragicfor me to find it but there's nouncertainty in my mind and now what Ihave to do and it's for the rest of mylife it's there's no doubt it's like I'mfinally happy it's it's an amazingfeeling to know what you're supposed tobe pond why'd you were put on earth forand this is the feeling that we need togive to everyone else to find it it'sthe most amazing feeling ever youwouldn't you know what you want to dolike I said life is not about just goingto work every single day to work yourwell for someone else and then just togo home yeah I'll see you happy kidyou're happy then just go work if it'sup to me obviously we have that passionto find something we'd love to doabsolutely and then spend the time withthe people we love that's what lovesabout I mean you have to do somethingyou love to do in life there's no youcan't work just to end your lifeI suppose it's a shame though societykind of teaches us that that's the normof course it's go to school get a decentbread innocent that's it retire at 65make sure you've got pension safesixty-five no we can do it now of coursethe white decision is in the rightaction okay so fantastic so we're gonnajump into the bit that I'm excited aboutyeah so I just thought of a name youknow I want you to elaborate I want youto explain it or it's gonna be the firsttime I'm listening as well okay sohopefully the listeners will will getexcited as much as I am okay what I'mgonna start with the Nana neighborschild safe mm-hmyeah bread more than that well I'll tellyou the story and how the story came sobasically my three-year-old daughter wasalmost taken from me the 7th of October2018 at 1 p.m. and Lidl was doing mysupermarket shopping it was the craziestscariest feeling I've ever heard of mylife I'm just doing my shopping asnormally doing but I noticed this manwalking around the shop he had enoughfusions constantly not taking any foodup no do no shoppingso I'm a partner there's something weirdhappen in the shop he's everything Icould just feel it and then he carriedon following us around a shop and theyjust I tried to ignore it but not knowat the same time because just when didyou involve with children your parentsdid you're the protector you have to doanything you can't just keep them safeso we get to talk when we're doing putenough into the into the trolley andthen Otis joined our queue and he's gotnothing any sound so I'm just like okayand then I've put more daughters as bothAttilio there's normally an edgysomething like that sent them enoughfood in the toilet and then the exits toour left and with kids it's alright sowe're standing and then he just wants toplease shut down I said okay something'sdefinitely having no and she's donepause I'm gonna go get ice concert Kim aperiphery looking at him and then hewalks past in the queue so he's leavingthe shop but he doesn't leave the shophe walks then to the right and goes itsix six market and I'm like don't tellmiles of him whatsoevermom my head's like is he gonna dosomething is he not am i playing trickson myself I'm not just reading into thistoo much is he generally just a normalman just stand in their waybut it wasn't that case unfortunately hedecided to get close to my daughterclose to my daughter and then I saidtime upon again I said he's about to dosomething which is like he's not doinganything so I've turned back round givehim that chance to see if he does turnback round again he's then about to pickup my daughter and run out the shop withher this is where like I completelyfroze at first because that was a nutmuch shock you just like you know a lotof men would say why didn't you do thiswhy didn't you do this and fortunately Ireacting the more perfect why you're noteven around my kids and I've got both ofthem put them both behind me and Istared at this man I said you just triedto kidnap my daughter mmm the thing thatbaffled me them even more he just stoodthere said to me do you even sayanything did you move didn't do anythingjust the best there and I mean I'm likeyou just tried to take my daughter turnwhat are you doing nothing so now I'mstanding there I looked at my bondanother man comes running through theshop grabs him in a bow the most is thatpeople slamming body doesn't do anythingabout itI'm shouting this man telling me tellinghim he's a toy yeah everyone's carryingon with their shopping no this is thething that I'm trying to get people torealize that we need to stick togetherinto these situations we all need toeducate on child abductions mmm I'm chodcrimes so we are aware for otherpeople's children I'm just trying to putmyself in that situation even as a boyand a girl go apprehend that or what youmust have been going through andobviously the whole reaction side andstuff to it people can't see you on thispodcast you're a big guy you know a guythey're gonna rob something from likeI'm being honest I would go tea yeahit'd be intimidating for me so you justprove she's come out absolutely provedto me they're willing to do this nomatter what I mean this is at 1:00 p.m.in the middle of the down I'm doing myshopping you know I mean the tauntingyou least expect under the times whenthey're gonna try and strike because weare get so complacentday to day lives we're gonna do myshopping my kids this it was a vigilantthere and I'll sometimes done stuff Idon't know it's a bit of drivingsomething you drive something you knowdriving yeah of course do you know yourdaughter pilots subconsciously yes thescary thing is especially my mom ponderkind of beat yourself up for a becauseshe for a long time she couldn't dealwith cuz she knows and even or no and Icould say she day she would have beengone if I was in there yeah come onpartner didn't see nothing she's verybelievers in their own world she shewouldn't think there's someone trying totake a dog especially so close to homebut this is the thing we're gonna makepeople realize it does not matter whereyou are in this country next country ishappening people do these things andit's scary that people know people don'tknow anything about what happens we seethe films that's how you 2018 last yearwas I speak like people don't know therewas 1189 actions with almost a hundredthousand attempted a child yeahManchester being in this countryBirmingham's third these every yearsthey're very high and people don't knowanything about it yeah I mean I was asocial worker in my last life yeah Iwent back to uni and looking afterGeorge was always kind of a my dad Iwant you to be the best social workerfor children yeah wonderful children ourhopes and feel your passion in hereobviously you just can't do somethingelse that's crazyso did the police did you get the pieceabout what yeah obviously I'll gone into speak to them I'm in the shop so I'lltalk to the manager I said listen I needthe CCTV the finish of the story I'veactually ran out to the shop I've got mykids got something and they was they wasstanding in the middle of the car parkthey were just basically and I'll run upto them again just to say listen you'vetried to take my daughter the police andbecause I'm stealing that much shock heplayed in my mind he tricked me he waslike no noI didn't take your daughter and I'm justlike he's not my wife is in the shopshe's got a full trolley she's waitingin the queue okay let's go back in soI've locked the door but other kids Isaid I'll be back in a second soobviously as I've said that about Debwalked off quite quickly so I walkedback into the shop they did have a womanwith him but they had no shopping allright so that as I've gone in them threeare running out the shelf so this is thething we need to reload they're workingin groups and we can't judge the fuckthe male or female a comedy with afemale and two groups to try and track achild obviously though maternity thinkthat woman has with children they doinganyone would do it but yeah of courseyour point he was just scared to knowthat a woman would be in that group aswell so this is the thing that I'mtrying to but try to have one that notjust for our kids for other people ofcourse as you said we see things how wethink we would do it other way oh wegotta realize everyone is different Imean I already grabbed it do you knowall these kind of crazy but you don'tknow well okayso thank God no of course all of thatfrom that what was your process then sothen I went to the manageras for the CCTV footage he said there'sa code they have to get from the headoffice the police the police I said okaywe're gonna go down and get the head andget the code we'll get the CCTV footagebecause all I wanted to get that thosefaces out to the public so they knowwhat they look like and they can beaware from it you know what I blame thepolice for a while because I kept goingobviously every weekend to do my foodshopping you do kept telling me thepolice I'm pinned down you the policestation again I said what's going on waswhen we bend down and we said we have wesent police down there okay what'shappening this is the way for the codeI've gone down to little again I saidthey come to get the code it was like nono no one's come down yet and I'm likeokay what's this quite strangeafter three weeks gunned down againanyone in all come to get the code Nocome down yet four weeks have gone theCCTV footage has rewritten gun this isthe thing I've gonna made my socialmedia I make videos about the policesaying calm believe what they've done tome then they let me down those foul butthis system was fine filed by the policewell I wasn't the police went down threetimes little failed me right they keptlying to the police telling them thatthe code haven't come down yetthe code don't come down yet yes ofcourse it is so they let me down theycompletely let me down they didn't getthe code when they never attempted toget the code in the first place whichwas their heartbreaking comment whichyou know it was all never those facesyou mean you know I never thought forthat was gonna happen I never knew thiswould be the outcome of my daughterThomas being taken from me as well sothroughout life things are gonna happenwe're all gonna go straight faced yougoing to go through stuff that it's notfair some stuff is out of our controlyou have in that moment day I supposeand moving forward of course two waysyou can either take it or you can takethose actions when you're in controlyourself control you change the world socould you explain a little bit moreabout this net so we know it's calledCharles Seife yes it's based on thestory that obviously you went throughthat horrific moment there's so firstlyI opened up a social media page so howdo I reach the people these days it wasall social media so my way to reachpeople with social mediatold my story which I think are 10 to 15thousand views share it compared to myvideos now I'm not yeah of coursesuppose I mean how many ever got so manyviews on it and that's what then enticedeveryone else to follow me what I wasdoing so what can I do to challenge itfirstly I just like okay I walk aroundsupermarkets are warriors shops yougotta move it here you get to Birminghamwhen you see signs everywhere sayingcriminals in action watch your carsthieves here did nowhere is that a signtelling you that child abductors arenowhere is someone that someone may takeyour kid I know that people might notwant to see that unfortunately this isthe life we live in people need to beaware I mean I would let my daughter aworld did let more daughters run aroundthe shops let him do what they want youknow me no one's gonna tell my kid butthat's not the way life is now so sadya know I'm even going back to when Iwas young doors are open in the housescause it was a community yeah I think itis a problem and I'm guilty of thismyself I'm sure listeners can resonatewith this is like even now I mean I'vegot lovely neighbors on both sides yourhouse because its head down I'm gettingon with my life course and Tokyo yespose because but the thing is you say wehaven't got time but stuff like this weneed to make it non negotiable onJupiter and we have okaybring it sorry sorry trucks yes okay sofrom there obviously I've got theseposters and I'm like I need to getsomeone designedI've never done anything - where do I gosome was like the graphic designer I'mlike okay I'll go speak to so that isonly he doesn't mean oh I have thisimage in my head and what my designlooks like and then can you do me aposter poster for me and I'm like oh mygod this is amazingso I'll get thousands of posters printedI'm using all of my own money I'm betterthan everything I possibly can into thisand then on this social media page I'mtelling everyone who was a help who wasa help memessage of the message after message andI'm like what the hell I didn'tunderstand I didn't realize this isgonna I'm not okay I'm gonna I'm gonnahave to take the you count by myself I'mlike this but I hate I mean I've had now3,000 followers among them to free fastfollows I'm a group and my page I've got900 almost hitting the thousand I'm mypage and I'm just like messages someparents telling me what an inspiration Iam teenagers telling worried aboutasking me for four posters saying I wantto help I want to get your posters outthere I want to put them in the shops Iwant to post your fly for the door andI'm like I wanted to make a differencewhere I'm noticing that everyone elsewants to make it fits as well at leastyeah so I spend the first few monthsending posters here Thursday and I'mlike I'll totally get in around in thisarea by the hillstar which everyone I'mlooking it's up in Yorkshire sucked downsouth it's it and so from there knowwhat do I do nextfirst we need to raise the awareness sothat's the main thing we need to dobecause people don't know what'shappening so the main thing to me was toraise the awareness to everyonemmm-hmm well and I'm like this is goodit was not good enough no where do I gofrom hereyou know what I went to met this mancalled Oliver he messaged me and saidcan I meet up we are because I love whatyou're doing up and he was an amazingman he's been for a lot of things aswell our kids he's weren't in prisonsand his scene is but with people and heseen so much of his stuff and heeducated me and so much it gave me thisknowledge I'm not okayeducation that's where I'm goingeducation so that's where I got to startand that's why I'm gonna finish we needto educate the country and educate ourchildren on the dangers because ease thechildren a this is happening to sochildren don't know what's happening hmmand as parent you know we do as welleven if you tell you know what I'll tellmy daughter things she won't listenschool she's like the best pupil becauseI thought I'm an authority figure tellthem something they were listen andlearnso I need to get into the schoolsdesigned with the kids because the kidsare on the games and there was over ahundred children you know they have noidea about after doing research if youwant you're gonna win this country ofcourse but it's just like no one's herepolice like after getting them up on aloved it because they said we used to goto the schools and do the strangerdangers and things I mean yeah yeah butwe don't Lisa V Cohn anymoreyou ain't got no police we can't sendthem down you guys we need the police inthe streets and because of what'shappened in our stabbings or the theftschild abductions or child cards havebeen pushed to the back you know I meanbe this it's absolutely we need to makesure it's gonna be safe for now so I'mgonna dust the plantbut that's just the beginning of courseso with the school I'm not okay I'mgonna go to my doors prime school Ican't go down so promise don't saylisten this is what happens when you getthis is the tips and you need to know soI had a bear designed cord captainCharlton okay so how can I get two kidswhat do I do monkeys to teach them areread books to them every single nightand you know what they're nuts sometimesthey love this in their favorite butthey even recite them to me as I'mreading because they beat him so muchI'm like I'm gonna make books I'm gonnawrite books at the moment for booksbooks the first one I've just sent offfor editing he's come back and it'samazing I love itwhich is based on a true story calledthe supermarket okay so the first storyeach story will educate the children aswell as be fun which will also educatethe parents because we need to educatethe parents as well because parentsdon't know this parents understandwhat's happening so we say to theparents the kids can't stay next to meso I mean I'll where's he gone book wedon't but there's no sense of panic whenthey have gone always probably in theother oil so for me to then show thatmessage that in the supermarkets withhe's capturing child safe so he's thehero you know say Whitney got Sly Foxhe's the one in every situation we'lltry and take the job so in eachsituation in each book there's always ahappy ending right always a happy endingbut in happy so that's how I'm targetingthe younger age is to to a to the otherso through story and because the thingis also okay I'll do a program for thekids at the primary school what kidsforget within 10 seconds before going tomention span as well but somebodyspeaking of course of courseso if I went into a smaller I teachingthem I'll go in there once I'm not gonnago in everyday online so don't forget assoon as they've forgotten I sit insidetheir head so if we do it for a storyit's gonna be read to them time and timeand time again and being Brennan totheir brain and they know as they growupno calm run off in the shop because if Iwanna finish shut the slyfox mindgetting out that's what I'm trying to doand feed into their brainWow I mean like you said when youstarted this you had no idea no ideawhich way to go goes the books yourNorth in our liver said this isfascinating so you you were talkingabout raising awareness then you've gota fantastic Facebook page and all thisstuff will be in the show notes and I'llshare it as much as I possibly can aswell okay everyone's life's busy coursewe're gonna hear this it's gonna touchmore people as hearts but some peopleare gonna touch them for a bit and thenthey're gonna get on with their livesyeah of course if they could just do onething that's very very quick that wouldjust help your message whether it's likeis it as simple as just sharing yourvideo or these leaflets here you've gotavailable put in one of those oh thisI'll have my leaflets these days I'llpay for our print they're all free ifanyone wants posters they're more thanwelcome to us they all have to do isdrop a message to my page I will thendeliver send it but yet the Flyers andthe posters are free I've had caustichas done as well which these are soldand my website is gonna be finished justcalled child safe okay they're stickersI have t-shirts made it's Ruby sorryright on the page as well where all themoney that I'll music space or my ownmoney or the world I've worked for andany profit made it all goes into thechalk on to the police there's somethingcalled active citizens fund okay and I'mwaiting for the approval of it approvalof it because I can't go into theschool's intended I can't go to thosekids and be like yeah as soon as theylisten they need something to read totake the information they need the tipsso they concert can keep reading oh andalso show the parents because there'stips and there for parents of what theycan and can't doing or should orshouldn't do even to let them childrenbe safe yeah and stuff you were gettingearly and I'm like I I get that becauseI'm sitting here now midway through thisand I just want to help you like yeahI'm gonna help you right noweach and Brian this will probably comein I don't know a month's time for weekstime because of the schedule bumblerthis needs to be out there now so upuntil that timeoffline after this I want you to speakto me as well and let me know of courseI've got a couple of friends in theprinting industry as well okay and evenif it is quite a few favors can you justdo the first thousand free listen thisis going to stuff that's going to changethis world the world hundred percent youdon't mean and it's most people aregonna have children in their lives or nochildren of course find of children tomake sure that there was no why even notthe people just with children peoplethat don't have children need to knowthat so they they are aware as well sowhen they see someone talking to a childand they and the child is acting in thecertain behavior that don't look rightthey can step in and say excuse melittle one you okay is this your dad isthis your mom I mean so they need to beaware of this is for everyone it ain'tjust at first I generally thought usedto the parent and I'm like you know whatthe best one that happened to me thisgirl I want to be waiting just cuz Ifinally realize what I gotta do ifyou're like okay this is just this is mymissionthis is that's my mom this isn't ourmission so this is I'm just doing whatI'm supposed to be doing so this wasbuilt message me tell me one inspirationa man that and I'm like okay well thankyou flyershe's messaged me again and I said shejust put thank you so much again fordoing what you doing you helped me savea life what do you mean I helped yousave a lot she goes I was in memory Hilldidn't shopping because I've seen alittle boy were in on the shop and he'srunning down there and there's noparents and she said all of a suddenman's grabbed his hand and she saidshe's lucky that she's run over to thisbone and said this dust on your son isit she he's let go I'm enough so she'sobviously she said because of whatyou've doneyeah you've educated me to be vigilantand I've saved the boy's life and momscome were in that shock come here my sonshe's like some manhood and I'm like ohthat was the maddest even that was likeI'm tingling that was the best feelingDonna my message is gonna buzz it istenit's working that girl is now savedanother kidswe almost need everyone to know nobodyso everyone's singing from the same hymnsheer supposed because there is atendency are suppose even we're notwe're not gonna have for example and yousee tail up without us and you see likesomebody may have been a bit like overlyaggressive speaking to his wife you knowPyrus and suppose you know should I jumpyeah should I know it's always that kindof know your limits know your boundarieslast thing you want to do is go in andthen even she turns around he's likewhat are you doing I mean no couples allyou don't yeah anyway we need to jump innot justify just to stop and profess ifyou're not jumping into joining thefive-year someone because you've hurthim what's the point you're just doingthis bad as that privacy really don'tmake money to join in just to stopbefore explain this and you guys explainthis like the best I supposeintervention methods for the phobiapercent I figure of someone who'sprobably gonna be anxious to do thatalthough we need to do it yes I've saidbecause I had so many messagesmmm-hmm when fortunately I reacted inthe perfect way of what government mykids and everyone else should do that aswell especially if it's someone elsedoesn't matter if it is that or is momand you think they're acting the way ofjust grab that child's hand and ask ifthey're okay and you're not do nothingbad it's so many people telling me sowhy didn't you beat him up and you knowwhat I didn't know there was a group Ifirst turned to me there was one man soif I've jumped on this Mannie my doorsare never seen that go my children arenow panicking I'm on top of this manbeating this man oh all of a sudden Ilook up there my children are gonebecause the other two in the group oftank in themwe can't this again how it's almost likeyou actually reacted in the yeah it'sfortunately that's not me notfortunately I acted in the perfect wayand grab muchOh No maybe he was the decoy to get metogether you see I think it's plenty ofvideos where there's somebody who I seenone the other day sorry I'm going a bityeahthere's a piece of delivery driver on amotorbike you know the guys robbed thepizza from the back of the day okay andas he's run off the guys that my pizzahe's gonna deliver it so he's chased himto the door of someone's run on his bikeyes but it's a similar kind of qualitybecause they saw suppose house Wow didthey use our brains again so it's init's in our interest to act 100% the wayyou act you children your children isyour first priority in life no matterwhat you were the first thing scrubberJose Cuban said don't need don't worryabout Emma don't worry don't grassydon't jump on him it's if you have yourpartner with them or someone else getyour pond it's a cup of kids and theydetain that map you know mean see thisis arrest that manthat's it you don't you don't wanna stopbeing an absolute yeah the fault ofsomeone taking your child is that partbreaking you will go too far you maykill that man and then you're still notgoing to see your child anyway okayfantasticI could just speak about this for like awhole day I'm conscious that the show isit in its own yeah of course and so Iwant to kind of find out more stuffabout you yeah a little bitI'm just it's fascinating it takes acertain type of human being to do thislike I said I'm in my social life I saida lot of people or moms from like anursing background I always thoughtthose kind of people with that naturethat caring nature the world needs moreof it and of course they need moresupport so if I could support you afterthis podcast I'll do that thank you sosome of these questions now this is moreinterested I always think it'sfascinating when I when I when I sitwith people at yourselves you've gotsuch an amazing story so I think routineand daily habits are where we are inlife for example so I look at successfulpeople like okay he's doing this I'mgonna just take this from his dailyhoney I can explain from the moment youwake up to the moment you sleep how is aday that it's all routine I've got aworking with you you know whatI see most times in my life I neverworked in routine and you don't yourbody is a machine your body is acomputer whether you like it or now youneed to realize that your body in yourbrain it all workson repetition so if you do somethingyour body knows the next day it's gonnado the same thing so and even to ourmotion because I've still never plannedout course we don't happen so I have thekeys marketed before I leave the housejust in case anything does happen to meso that's what I do and then I get upI'm on a routine time I'll just try myso then so I've got my routine foodclothes give some love to my dog to work[Music]this is me hundred percent so I'm gonnago to work come back home spend sometime with children you know what you allget so focused and forget a lot ofthings sometimes and sometimes we forgetour children and you know I'm she wasdoing 70 80 hours a weekso we just spent fun it's on soon as Tomgoes sammartino go to the gym in themorning I tell my kids to school whenI'm saying it seem normal because I'mdoing the key thing is I just wannastare is you've got the routine causethis is so important because plan planplan plan plan like I did before mrs. Inever planned anything Moloch was allover the place watch your reactiveimpulse on the moment live for the daythat's all it's one of the things sowhen I gave up my job I had to getroutine in placeI'm scatterbrain yeah everyone knowsthat regimented from the moment I wakeup similar to yourself Anderson evenstuff like I have to have a liter and ahalf of water so nutritious ineverything is so regimented of coursebut you get so much more done becausebecause I've got no time I guaranteeyou've got you probably said no but it'samazing stuff you're doing now you'vegot three doors as well yeah you'redoing all this amazing stuff you'reworking out as wellI know you're in competition prep it'stough I know what it goes through menteeto use that that way in everything sothis Lodge we live in this live fromwhen people are going freejust doing the easiest things possiblejust to get through the day no meanthere maybe you go to the pub have adrink of a laugh or no but this love yougot a challenge yourself man everysingle day is supposed to be a challengeI mean if you ain't challenge yourselfor fluff about no mean cannot do thatlets covergirl let's do itI'm scared of that let's do the scariestthing possible man cuz that doli thosethings will give you those amazingfeelings no if nothing else will giveyou that feeling it's impossible hundredpercent I mean I always say at themoment your brain tells you should we dothat or no do it do it cause that issomething that you need to do yeah ofcourse that's where you're talkingyourself know a little bit like we spokeabout just before a stylist podcast thereason I'm doing this part I have to dothis yeah I have to do this and it's notabout me and I keep saying this thispodcast is nothing to do with me like mystory's not on here but this is aboutpeople like yourself yeahbecause even if I get 5 people to listento this and to share your story andthink child thing's safe enough I lovethat model stuck in my head lookee whathe said it was yeah if we can stop fivepeople that my job is don't do of coursethat's Michael isn't that 5 or 10 saidsomeone else and then that Forbes orsomeone else and then the word passes onthat that's it that's how the worldworks it's all gonna do we're gonnachange each other's mindset to makepositive impact you know what happens tome every dayit's just it's no even downpour this isa teenagers well I didn't expect thereaction this is one of them adoresfence follows me on Instagramno I've seen his post and he was on hisstory these poornamed neo gliese girl in my class andthen the only boy in my class andeveryone's going in on itno what is this boy doing so I have tomessage it no I don't know himpersonally I saw I saw a young manthat's like we can't judge people wesmell up to us the judge I said youmight affect someone's life really backspeople are putting four names on thisthing I'm a man I said we need to dosomeone else we need to change watermake it positive let every wheel I saidpeople will love you more if you dosomething good and tell say who is theprettiest who is the best of footballwho is the funniest and then you knowwhat I was expecting a little teenageryes he said to six laughs he deleted itpeople who defeats the funniest and hethinks the face he got so many morecomment soon he had so many people hewas reported look how many more peoplecommented now because it's a positivemessage I send you know yes so that wasa wicked never write anything like thatas a kid because simply we gotta havethat emotional intelligence whensomebody create new almost constructivecriticism AUSA's which is hard to takeas hundred are you going stuff but asI've dropped my ego as I've grownthrough life and personal developmentit's easier now 100 would I had thatintelligence Isaac as a kid so if I seesomething like I was driving yesterdaydo you man see people said really doesno people think that maybe we may haveall bad bad things happen in our livesand he's supposed to choose how we dealwith them problems and happy happy or wegonna dwell on it and be set for therest of our lives this is what I need toteach people we need to teach people alot of people think they're stuck in therock yeah I mean they don't know how toget out and this is their life nowthat's how they'll be with celebritiesthis is a message to perform coach edgewe're all in control of our destinyeveryone is in control of it well Easterday tomorrow in a month we are controlyou say you want to go do that so manytime you put the hard work in and it canget donethere's notice things are possible kidssay I carnate a word in my addictionyeah yeah you know body get rid ofthat's one of the first Birds I got ridof nano magic screen there told oh manhe's powerful you remind me of myself soyou'll meet my wife one day yeah hopeyou have this we hundreds ain't gonnakeep in touch I'm sure died for thisbecause I I'm one of the most emotionalpeople like you'll ever see for a guyyeah I like I've done the whole boxingscene may I do that all day but you showme a sad story when I see someone hurtwhether I normal not I I don't know whatwhat happens to me but I feel they hurtand you almost want to just say look letme take that away from you know kind ofthing like we bless we're looking evenbetter listen people like this yeah wehave such big hearts and we came herehave that emotion to give to everyoneelse so I used to so I'm gonnafront-engine here I just have this thingwhere a leopard doesn't change this busand all we believe people could havechanged and I've interview somefascinating people are gonna cook onhere and they've changed their life aswell yeah so I've almost changed my ownbeliefs to sort of think everyone's goodbut we sometimes make bad decisions yeahof course we do and I think if we cantry and like you said chain thatperception get everyone thinkingpositively doing good things will itcome and I used I used to be scared ofsaying like I want to change the worldright yeah because it's that you changethe world you just don't just a normalguy whatever I'm like okay I want tochange the world I can't do by myselfit's a bit like you say you don't knowhow you're gonna get there but you justtake one step on it I'm gonna get therethis is the thing that you don't dothoughthis is why I attempted to do I wantedto know I wanted my boy I did and I'mlikecompletely burned myself out and I waslike I even doubted myself there is toomuchI mean in my Eskimo convict's a pictureof my kids there is I was in the paperrecently there's an established news ofpictures the article to remind me ofthat day you can even use the analogy soI always talk about how to finishbecause it's a part of me you want toget to where you want to get to on yourdate so one thing always trying to dowith people is I wanted to get involvedin the gym or some sort of activitybecause that's the transferable skillwhen you master it you can take it intoanywhere it canthe next question is about adversity soif you could think of a time whereyou've been through adversity you'vecome over it you know more versity myluck was you know I gave my love to somany people for one more friend and itwas the hardest seems to be for me to dookay so much love and I generally foughtmy friend on me back my life and then Iremember sitting down watching BobbyKahn you did a little casting session hewas like we need to figure out why youlove the people that don't love you backand we know you know I never reallyfigured it out till you Vince it upuntil now and the main thing I had to dobecause there were bad people I didn'tunderstand why doing do things like Iwould call my friends daily asklike they'd go for trial tribulation soI thought I'll be thereI mean I know we're doing the stuff thatyou would have done for this yeah coursebut I generally thought that's whatfriendship is yeah you know I mean but alot of people see friendship as is hegot something for meand you know what broke my heart manremember cry my eyes out dedicated tohim and never got it back no and then Igrew and then I met some other peopleI'm not are these clothes cool and i'madjoining with these and then the samething happened again man I'm like Iblamed me I mean I'm like this issomething wrong with me when I'm ondoing what about done this must besomething wrong till I met my partnerthen we got kids they love me yeah musthave never done anything wrong like I'vedone bad things I never do Bettis topeople don't know I've always hadpeople's backs and I never understoodBrian and you know what people want tobe my friend or he would talk to me andneed help I'll never stop change it'snot can't change that's this theme I'mnever gonna stop changing but I'velearned to never expect it back that'smy wife sister is something about theseat home I'm not gonna call the systemtheir expectations and that's theproblem so when you come from a goodheart in everything you do you expectthe person to reciprocate that in thesame way as yourself only did it causeand it doesn't weather and I learnedthis in solar even in the property gameor I've had people reach out and Ialways take it on face value I'm likeI've got no reason not to trust you so Itrust you straight away yeahso when they telling me all this amazingfun right this is fantastic then all ofa sudden there's a hidden little oh isthat one yeah then I used to startthinking is that the reason that you'reyou're nice to me for youafter all this time and I'm here likewilling to do anything for you I supposepeople sit as a weakness oh yeah so thatyet people could see as weakness byPegasus strength days so powerful whatyou're gonna go on and do yeah and Ithink as you go through this like youmentioned a guy earlier Oliver forexample yesyou're gonna meet Oliver's in the worldgym right he was the first same userJohn who's the first person a person ohwow these people don't know what's goingon this is what I want yeah I wanna youare an influencer of the people youaround yeah of course you you when youstart spreading this you're only gonnatrap genuine people yeah because I'mgonna become a millionaire supportingthis but I'm gonna change ahead of a lotof lives do and if that's somebody'strue purpose lie like it is mine yeahwe're gonna back this season mean thisis amazing I mean not the fact that Igot 3,000 followers in what's it'sOctober November 3 to two months it'sjust two months man and I'm like thatmany people want to make a difference aswell this is like changing my timezoneby a thousand a million because thatmany people actually want to do it wejust need to get it in their eyes getthem seen this it's not I didn't evenattack a lot of work doesn't take a lotwhatsoever all it takes is that littlepin on the board this podcast yeah andeven it's just them viewing it they arebuilding the knowledge we're not evenknowing they're getting the knowledgejust by watching the videos I don't knowthere's I mean I just think it's anothersocial media page okay cuz I've there'sso many social media pages and I see somany videos but we tend to get enticedin this board into the funny video whenit comes to the serious things peopletry to forget about it don't want to seethe serious book they have to is youcan't forget I know what your answer isto the next question right and it iswhat is your biggest fear you touched onit basically idea I know anythingopportunity kids before I had kids alittle bit stank'sin sports I was the best in the Midlandsand even now like you know I guess Ifelt like a failure to my family as wellI still I believed I was gonna changethe family my family's lives I stillbelieve that now there's no I'm stillgoing to so that feeling never wentwithout failure okay okay so nextquestion I think you've kind of answeredit again it's kind of just aboutmotivation song yeah what motivates youyou know I'm still human this is thething we've got to remember that we arestill homeless okay so on the days whereyou don't feel like getting out of bedand doing the stuff what we mud Smokieseveryone says that's somethingyou know before I was my kids was to bethe best so if I didn't get up in themorning and go do that run someone elseagain up in the morning doing that runand then he's gonna be better than me soI don't want to be that loser so meansob I'm doing it soon as I'm like a cakeyou know now someone's going to sleep solet them sleep I'm gonna do some moreworkyeah I mean that's how that's what I wasmy motivation to be the best I mean itschallenges and those sort of thingseven other people mana motivate me wehave to learn more about ourselves wellknown as why we might abandon ourselvesbecause we want to do this we want toget this far even if it's the motivationto work hard cause you want to go buy anew carI mean for some people that's they thinkyeah cool it's not necessary my there'snothing wrong with that or I do what youdo so I do this thing right and ifsomebody doesn't understand all goingthrough a person development Statesgonna think I'm crazy but I do thisthing so I'll go to the gym for examplenot Sam do cardio I hate cardio isbecause I then start talk to myself whoelse is doing this at this timethat's only I'm doing it I hate it butI'm doing it and I kind of like almoststop digging myself up yeah yeah whathappens you start feeling more confidentpowerful and then it's like then I'll goin for like a gym workout and the laydown but nobody else is doing thiswhile I'm working 16 hours a day whatI'm trying to do this one time and it'sthat self-talk and I suppose the reasonwe're doing so much done is because alot of my life I was talking to myselfthe way the negative people had spokento me you know you're shy you're anxiousyou're this you're that and he wasalways those kind of stories thosetelling me now it's like the story Itell myself is the story I wanted Thomasyeah that's gonna bring me out into theworld in new ways it yeah so so dopeople don't be scaredthis is a thing don't be scared if thatbus is bigger than you or the challengeis bigger than you you guys think okaythen let's tackle this i'ma take youdown so now we're at the fun part ofshow so we're gonna start in three twoonethe ability to fly or be invisible flywhen your fame Netflix our youtube neverCoke or Pepsi Pepsi would you rather nothow you would die or wake you withoutlove or money no books or movies moviesit with one person in the world whowould it bewhat is your biggest addiction to winsummer or winter winter your favoriteplace in the worldspeak all languages will be able tospeak to animals in the world what wouldit be you favor some Emma voice the manin the read minds or forget the teacherGod have you ever been in a fight okaycool so the next one's about reflectionso I believe that how it's a wonderfulthing because as we've spoken aboutalready yes so you can always think ofways to get there quicker easier withless heartache I suppose but the journeyteaches us a lot of course it does Ithink the process is so important so ifyou knew what you knew now unless sayyou could go back to say before yourdegree for example yeah and you couldwhisper something knowing everything youknow now to that to most at 17 forexample what would you say you know whatit's probably tell him it's gonna beokay it's you're still alive it'sbecause you know what when you gothrough the trials or tribulations inyour life those things feel like theylast forever don't you just like yeahlike a week from then and what's on themenu here from then that won't evenmatter now this all was I wish I couldtell could've talked as I dwell too muchon the bad that was happening in my lifeand whenever someone made a mistakeevery time someone bad happened to meI'm not boys happening to me again whatam I gonna do and if I could've justThomson don't worry about it yeah don'tdwell on itit's okay it's a case no I tell myselfthis all the time now through everythinglike we are so lucky to be where we arein this world are you still alive Korsoso if you're in that situation and it'sthat hard but you still know there'snothing than someone no one can takethat away any long as you know no onecan take that away from you know me so Iwish I could have told myself that Wowokay last question okay okay so the lastquestion I always ask my guess is if in150 years time science doesn't save usright and we're no longer here andthere's a book on the table now and I'mgonnaand a little bit to this crystal as wellso there's a book on the table in it'sabout your life right so what I want toknow is in any order you want firstlywhat is the title of the of the book andif we turn it on the back you knowyou've got blueberry there what willthat tell us about you okay the bookcalled the world I think it'd be thatwill be I've always wanted to change theworldand like you see so much bad happeningthere's no way I'm gonna go from bridgesand I'm gonna come over and there'sgonna be everything that's good thisthings are gonna tackle me these peoplethat may even go against me no I thinknow sometimes I would have to savechildren's lives here but there's stillgonna be people out there I neverthought I'd have one person at all so -and the one I did I'm like yeah ofcourse in them do something positive isexactly what he went on I'm trying to benice and said back into this and thatwasn't Denise yourself I'm referencingwhat I've got it from unrest he's doinga quick Google search he got the firstthing they said look at this no no no itgoes deeper than that and then then Iactually said to him in the end I saidyou got so much energy because look howmuch I said use that good that energyyou got tackle it someone new and tellsomeone about what I'm doing that's thelast thing to do everyone a message it'snot just about giving the people themessage that want to listen yeah yeahsome people will find it at the wrongtime but it's in the beginning yeaheveryone's journey is different ofcourse the information is there youmaybe you just keep you've done your jobthere long as you've told all thosepeople 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Find your voice - Episode 6 - Stay strong by Hezron Brown #6Tagline: "The impact I was making & seeing was unreal. To see their face and actually light up and think Hope!"Find your voice - Episode 6Hezron Brown, has been in the papers for his incredible story. As a child he was tragically burned in hot water which has left him scarred for life. His life then continued to spiral into a life of drugs and crime.Somewhere along his journey however the idea of belonging and hope kicked in. Hezron self belief, which he accustoms his now success too is a key factor in him finding his true purpose. Hezron is now inspiring the youth who need to hear the message and realise that there is hope for them irrespective of the cards they have been dealt as kids.There is more to a life of death or jail.There are more opportunities if we remain commited to succeed rather than just having a slight interest.It's a remarkable story of seeing some change, something I was always skeptical about.Thanks for listeningFree Audible book sign up:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Audible-Membership/dp/B00OPA2XFG?actionCode=AMN30DFT1Bk06604291990WX&tag=are86-21Best book on Mindset by Carol Dweck: Mindset https://amzn.to/2QajMvZSupport the podcast: https://www.patreon.com/findyourvoiceLinks to me:Website: https://www.arendeu.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/aren.deu/Twitter: https://twitter.com/arendeuFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/aren.singhLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aren-deu-65443a4b/Podcast: https://www.findyourvoicepodcast.com YouTube: http://tiny.cc/51lx6yLinks to guest:Twitter: https://twitter.com/Hezron_BrownInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/hezronbrown/#JustDeuIt & #FindYourVoice[Music]welcome to an episode of find your voicea movement led by yours trulyAren do a guy who has overcomecrippling anxiety adversity anddifficulty like so many of you in lifewhose main goal now is to help youcombat your excuses take control of yourlife write your own story and mostimportantly find your voice so nowwithout further ado I welcome the hostof the show himself mr. Aren do what'sgoing on people thank you for tuning into another episode of find your voice myname is Aren and this is a classic thisis somebody who I actually reached outto I'd say about six months ago and itwas following a news article that I sinthat they were mentioned in now theywere mentioned in this news article forhow they turn their life around andthat's kind of the stories I really loveto hear but I need to make sure that thelisteners ie yourselves you're gonna getsomething tangible from this and you'regonna get some life lessons and let metell you you're certainly gonna get somelife lessons now maybe many of us can'trelate to the way that this person wasbrought up or some of the stuff that hedid and I think he's held his hands openhe said I've made a lot of stupidmistakes but more importantly than thatif you listen to his story there's a fewmoments and we touched on it halfwaythrough the interview where he wasgetting signs he was gettingopportunities he was getting peoplecoming into his life giving him thechance to potentially turn it around andI thought that was a really importantpart of the story because I think evenourselves in life we sometimes getopportunities but because we're soblinkered or a mindset isn't thinkingthe right way or our perception isn'tright we sometimes miss theseopportunities and we spoke a little bitabout self belief and confidence andjust having a vision and I think that'sso so important myself for example Ihave some crazy visions but what I'verealized is by having these andexpressing them to the world and beingaccountable I'm seeing moreopportunities come my way and I'm notsaying these opportunities weren't therepreviously butmy thoughts and my processes of how Iwould interpret things were differentI just wasn't taking advantage of him sofair play to this person he's done anabsolutely fantastic job he turned hislife around he was very close to youalmost having no life so I'm verygrateful that he made that step when hedid I'm very grateful that he also tooktime to share his story because he'sgoing places remember his name he willcertainly be I think a household namevery very soon simply because his storyis one that you can't replicate you'veeither lived it or you haven't and thisguy has lived it so without further adowe're gonna jump straight into thisinterview with hezron Brown ok people sothank you for tuning into the show todayand I am honored to have hezron Brownhere with me today so firstly I justwant to thank you for taking time outeven your day today buddy no problem howyou doing today I'm fine thank you verymuch how are you I'm very well thank youI believe you were working as well todayis that right no no well I wasn'tworking I was I was more kind ofconcentrating on myself okay building upmy self today yeah that's still kind ofworking I suppose okay fantasticum what I want to do is obviously I'vegiven an introductionprior to this show about your life and alittle bit about your story but I thinkit's important for the listeners toreally understand you and hear it morefrom yourself so if you wouldn't mind ifyou could just kind of give a wholebackstory go into as much detail as youwant and just really try and let theaudience and myself get to know hezronBrown yeah that's no problem at all sofor me all kind of started when I wasfive years old I he fell in a bath ofboiling hot water and burnt the upperright hand side of my body so my arm mychest and my stomach I actually had ajump run at that time and when I fell inthe water all of my skin had melted overmy jumper and when my mum came up sheripped my to rip my jumper off out ofpanic and because of that she ripped allmy skin off so all this skin that'sactually on the upper right hand side ofmy body is actually from my legs I hadvarious skin grafts I was in hospitalfor numerous mumps getting all thoseskin grafts to kind of correct correctobviously what happened oh well at thattime you know when I started going toprimary schoolkid's gonna understand why I looked theway I did and because that reason theystarted to call me names started tobully meso from there I I I do that's a reallybad anger problem it was something thatI couldn't control okay and I would justget angry at every single little thingand he got to the point where it wasjust literally out of control to andfrom school I was always fighting I wasfighting in school as well and I thinkfor me the reason why I developed thattemper was because I didn't want anybodyto call me names again I didn't want tofeel weakagain and I kind of said to myself I'mnever gonna let that happen to me againand because of that my rage and mytemper just kept getting worse and worseand worseWow even though it was affecting me atschool it was affecting me at home aswell and my relationship with my mum youknow my mom was a single parent I'm oneof five children so you know it wasdifficult for my mum to actually kind ofdeal with what I was bringing home rightand there was times when I was gettingso angry I was throwing my wardrobe downthe stairs punching holes in doorsbreaking windows you know like it wasgetting out of controla lot at the time my mum would have tocall the police because I was gettingthat enraged that she was scared for myown safety and she was probably scaredfor her own safety as well of course wasthis around did you say eleven years oldat this point yeah yeah when I was 11that's quite a young age isn't it to bedisplaying so much anger yeah is it isthis is what I mean like my temper wasjust yeah it was it was uncontrollableand he got to the point where I wouldliterally black out so I wouldn't evenknow what I would actually be doing orwhat I was doing until I actually cameback around and it's like the only way Icould come only way out and calm downwas if I punched something not someonejust something right I could just go andpunch a door or punch a wall or you knowpunch some glass and immediately mytemper would go immediatelyand so yeah it was just it was it was itwas quite bad it was quite bad so I saidlike my my home life wasn't that good ofmy mom and she kicked me out that timethere's one and I when I lived in one ofmy older sister's you know having totravel to school every single day fromTamworth because she lived in Tamworthand having to travel from Tamworth toworthington every single day I'm theboss in the morning yeah it was adifficult time but the relationship thatme and mum had was I would go homeshe'll kick me out I'll go back home shewould kick me out again that was thatwas always our relationship so a lot atthe time I knew kind of what was gonnahappen when I went back home I knew Iwas gonna get kicked out again butthat's where my home was yeah so Ialways wanted to go back so that wasgetting to the points where a monkeykicking me outI was sofa surfing I was going to I wasgoing to friends houses staying withthem they knew the situation that youknow I was in in knew that I had theseanger problems knew the kind ofrelationship that I had with my mom andyeah like when I was kind of goingthrough school school was trying to helpme to teach I'm trying to help me aswell for those that knew and you knowthey were trying to better me they weretrying to keep that temper out of methey were putting me through countsthrough counseling putting me throughanger management but nothing reallyworked nothing really worked and when Iwas 13 so my mom kicked me out again Iwent and lived with one of my friendsmm-hmm an amazing woman her name isDevon and she literally just took me offthe street I was homeless and I went toher house and actually went to her houseto actually see her son okay and afterspeaking to me for like a minute shecould see that something was wrong withme she could see that I was strugglingin some form of way and she invited meinside she gave me a she gave me a hotdrink and she said to me tell me what'sgoing on with you right nowso I did I told a lot situation I was inand like that she took me into her homeshe she literally made me part of thefamily every time when we was outshe saw someone that she knew she wouldtell him that I was her adopted son yeahit was yes she would she's an amazingwoman she's an amazing woman I livedwith her until I actually finishedschool can I just ask so you you findyou Vaughn and God bless her soul shesounds like a wonderful ladyand you said things were obviously shewas introducing you as part of thefamily you felt at home how did how wasyour anger at this particular time thendid you find that you were able tocontrol it or was it still still youwere still getting flares of anger Iactually wasn't getting angry when I waswith her I think it was just jus down tothe respect that I had I would never getangry with her but maybe if I was likestill go into school I was getting angrywhen I was a try but I was never gettingangry around her okay that's because howI seen it wasI can't disrespect this person thisperson has literally took me from offthe street into her own home and I hadjust this deep respect for her and herwhole family up until this day you knowI still see her I called her mom mychildren call her nan you know herbrothers and sisters I call them uncleauntie like I see her family as myfamily so that respect has never it'snever gone away never gone away so yeahshe took me in and kind of went throughschool life they're living at her housemy mom actually found out where I wasnow Yvonne that she lives around thecorner from my mom and it took her knowenough two years to actually come roundto the house to come and get me andYvonne gave me the choice she said wellyou can either go home or you can stayhere and continue to live the life thatyou're living but even though I wasthere and she took me in I always hadthis feeling that I needed to go homeand that that wasn't my home so I tookupon myself to go back home and livewith my mommm-hmm two weeks later she kicked me outagain and I was back on the street and Iwent and lived with my older sistersleeping on her floor one of my older ofher sisters and I was sleeping on herfloor she lived in a flatshe had two kids at that time my nephewand my niece and they kept see seeing mesleeping on the floor they kept comingin asking her you know why his unclehezron just sleeping on the floor mm-hmmand I think she got to the point whereshe just wanted to you know she justdidn't want them seeing that anymore andI to be fair I didn't want them seeingme in that in that position so she cameup to me and she said hezron there's aneighborhood office at the bottom of herflat so there was a neighbor laughs atthe bottom of her flat and she asked meto go in there and just tell him what mysituation was and see what they couldactually do for me so I went down thereand I I spoke to themI remember when I I stepped through thedoor I had six black bags three in eachhand full of clothes and I literallyjust collapsed on my knees when I when Istepped through the door and I justbroke down into tearsbecause I think it was that realizationof knowing that I actually had nothingand I had no one around me then wasactually truly supporting me and it'slike I kind of felt like I was a burdento to my family and I remember thiswoman came running up to me and she saidwhat's wrong what's wrong and I I toldher I said you know I haven't gotnowhere to go Liz there's no one aroundme that that can look after me and shesaid okay what there's no family orfriends I said no there's there'sthere's there's no one around just youit's just me and she sat me down in thechair and she said okay well I'm gonnatry and sort something out for you soshe got me a bed and breakfast I stayedin that bed-and-breakfast for about twomonths now I was I just finished schoolyeah so I finished my exams I never andthey were left with no we've no gradeslike none at all and at this point whenI was staying in that bed-and-breakfastnow through that time I was happy to sawsome money on my own food hmm all thethings that I needed to live on yeahabsolutely because because I was soyoung the so I went to the Jobcentre andthey they said to me are there'sactually there's actually they don'tdidn't know how they could help mebecause I was so young of course and ittook them quite a whilefor him to actually give me some moneyso I actually ended up going on toincome support okay and kind of theirdead back dated me but throughout thatwhole time I was trying to find ways tosupport myself and it was quite hardeven down to college educationno college wanted to accept me because Inever had no grades I actually wanted todo IT that was something that I waspassionate about at that time and theythey said to me because you haven't gotany grades there's there's no real waythat you can start an IT course becauseof the the level of entry that youneeded I eventually found a college thatwould accept me it was Matthew Boultoncollege and they were saying and theysaid to me okay cool like we can't putyou on an IT course straight away mm-hmmbut if you do this course in this coursethat you make up the grades that youneed to get in onto the IT course I saidokay like for me it was just anythinglike anything just something to occupymy mind something to take my mind offwhat I was going through at that timethe counts would have found me aaccommodation as well it found me atemporary but a nation in Hockley so Iwas like okay like you know things werekind of exciting to look back up jobcentered they put me on the incomesupport so I was starting to get moneyin I found education I've got my ownplace so at that time I thought thateverything was going great everythingwas going in the right in the right kindof order and when I was at collegethat's when things started to get a bitkind of like off-track right I will youknow skip lessons I was being in thecommon room all the time trying to hangout with friends I had met loads of newpeople that you know I didn't knowbefore and then that started toobviously play an impact on my educationhmm I finished out my first year it wasa two-year course I was on I've doneother media and photography and I'vecompleted my first year went ontoanother course with media photographywhich was a two-year long course and onthe first day I started I had anargument with my tutor over a can ofcoke and again I lost my tenwas there swearing I was punching thingsand the the head of the college wasactually walking down the path at thetime I was actually losing my temperworst timing ever the worst time in everand they phone security security cameupstairs got me and escorted me out ofthe college so at this point now I'vegot my own place money's coming in butI've got no education and I'm kind ofjust dusting around doing nothing andthen that's when things startedspiraling out of controlI started you know going to parties Istarted hanging around with people thatI shouldn't hang around with they spiedinfluencing me and even though I knewwhat I was doing was wrong like therewas no one really around me to say to mehezron stop doing that or hezron don'tdo that we'll show you a better way Isuppose well show me a better wayexactly yes that's exactly it showed mea better way hmmso I just continued to stay on the paththat I was on I started doing a lot offoolish things I was you know committingrobberies I was walking around withweapons I was I was doing a lot of sillythings okay and when I was doing thesethings I kind of I know kind of had noremorse like I was just like again I wasjust doing it to survive you know I wasstanding drugs as well and I was justdoing it to survive I was doing it totry and make money um and again as yousaid there was no one really around meto to push me away from it and put me ona better path can I just jump in therejust quickly I mean I've got sort of gotso many questions cause it's such afascinating storyyour relationship with Yvonne now hasthat completely broken down at thisstage or is it or is it a matter of youfeel you can't go back there now oh nono no Yvonneshe's as I said like she's still amother figure to me okay so she wasn'tshe was always still there oh yeah yeahshe she was always still there but againit kind of felt like to me like Icouldn't go back there does that makesense yeah absolutely and at this stagewas you was you taking accountabilityfor anything or was it just you know theworld's just doubt you shit cards andyourcarry on do what you need to do to getby that's exactly it the world wasdealing me this hand that I didn'treally you know um you didn't ask for itbut you've got it and I've got it andand I'm just rolling with itand that's just kind of what he got tohe got to the point where I was justrolling with it and as you said like forme my temper my temper has always got meinto bad situations like Mitchell IIlike even till now even up until thispoint like my temper has always got meinto situations and I know it's becauseof my temper and there's so many thingsthat you know I try and do to try andhelp me deal with my temper but when itcomes upI can't explain to you I literally justhave no control I literally have nocontrol and it's only when people see meangry that they go WOW like you'veactually got a really bad temper andit's hurtful really it's hurtful to hearthat to hear that you've got this thingthat you can't control and even thoughyou do so much things to try and controlit you can't and it's hard andespecially when you know that this thingis getting you into trouble it's ruiningrelationships it's ruining opportunitiesit's not serving you it's not certainlyany it's not so many purpose but youknow what I say that and so it's a it'sa tricky thing because times when youknow I was when I nearly got kidnappedit was my anger that kept me alive beingable to fend for myself being able tofight back that's what that's what keptme alive and so as much as I kind ofhate my temper I also love it becauseI'm able to protect myself in a way thatsomeone else can't protect me well thatmakes sense I does yeah absolutely itdoes make sense it's interesting isn'tit because I suppose in hindsight you'drather not have the temper but oh asyou've got it you've kind of managed toharness it at least to give you somesort of advantageor at least help you in some situationsif that makes sense oh yeah yeahdefinitely okay so you're now saying youspiral out of control what are youthinking like I'm justtrying to get into your head at thisparticular moment now what are youthinking is the future of hezron Brownthe future heads around Brown I actuallydidn't know what the future of headswere on Brown was as I said - I was justthis person that was rolling with E soone would say I wasn't I wasn't thinkingabout my future I wasn't thinking aboutmy loved ones I was just thinking how amI gonna get by how am I gonna surviveand how did that change them when did itchangewell changed when I got done for arobbery charge okay I got done for thisrobbery charge and it wasn't it wasn'teven it wasn't even a robbery like thatand as they grabbed my friend I hit thatperson when he was on the floor which Inever even realized cuz I actuallywalked up at that point but when he wasactually on the floor someone robbed himsomeone took his stuff now when thepolice came they they they they pickedme up and when they when I was in thestation they turn out to me and theysaid oh you've robbed this boy's stuffand this that do and I was like no andthey said oh do you know what kind ofdamage you've done and I was like whoaand the policeman looked at me and hesaid you did not punch him you hit himwith something and I said no I actuallypunched him anyway if you've been ableto do that kind of damage from a punchthat's scary and I was like I actuallynever even realized I even done thatbecause I walked off and when it got tocourt they decided to do me for therobbery charge so not for the assaultokay they they decided to do me forrobbery and I got found guilty of thisrubbery now I have to go for mypre-sentencing report and when I wentthere I stepped for the door and thisblack lady she came up to me and shesaid are you my next appointment I wentI don't knowshe went what's your name I said hezronBrown she said yeah yeah you're my nextappointment and she turned and shelooked at me and she said she totteredand she she said not another black manthat was the that was the thing that shesaid to me and from there I fought Wowlike okay like how much how much haveyou seen today yeah yeah and she said tome tell me everything just tell me thewhole situation mm-hmm so I did I toldher everything I told her what hadhappened and she looked at me and shesaid okay leave it with me I'm gonna tryand help you and I was like okay I don'tknow how you're gonna try and help mebut you know I'm gonna I'm gonna rollwith ityou know as I do and the night before mysentencing I remember sitting therethinking I'm going to do like I am goingto jailmmm yeah and my solicitor was saying tome you know hezron you're facing yearsin prison for this like it's not like ahalf month or anything like that it waslike you're facing yes so i sat therethe night before and I actually boughtmyself a KFC and I bought myself aMcDonald's and I just sat there eatingall these different random type of thingyou're like someone said to you whatwould the last meal be that's one that'sbasically white look like I had Big MacI had a piece of chicken I had somechips I had you know I wanted everythingthat I knew that I would miss hmm and itwas crazy like that feeling of thinkingI'm actually going to prison like it's ahard it's hard to describe what thatfeeling is actually like knowing thatyou're gonna see the outside world againmaybe for a considerable amount of timejust I'm not sorry I mention it in oneof my early episodes I worked in aprison for six months okay and justworking there me it was draining likementally because I was seem I've seengood people I mean I believe we're allgood but sometimes we do bad things andsome more than a listener and there wasthough some people in there who I methim on the streets or something I justthink they're just normally just nicepeople and when you see how little timethey get with their friends and theirfamily and how restricted their life isin prison it was so like heartbreakinginside and it was after that experienceI was like I am never getting on thewrong side of the law because I'm notgoing to give away my freedom and whenyou're in prison you they kind of justtake that away from you so yeah I canimagine how you must have been feelingat that pointyeah I think I think that's somethingthat's important something that youactually just said it's not thatsomeone's bad it's just that they justdo something bad at that time yeahabsolutely and you know a lot of these alot of the guys that are in there likethe women I window they're actually goodpeople but they've just done somethingbad just made a bad choice or a baddecision I always look at that I alwaysthink I think you know how we look at sofor instance we look at a celebrity forexample and we think obvious easy forthem but we forget all the sacrificesand everything that they're putting inbeforehand like hope the whole processand it's the same with somebody who endsup on the wrong side of the law weforget that they may have actually beentrying to sort themselves out or justnot getting a break in life and thensometimes something comes up andsomething happens and then they've actedthe wrong way which in hindsight most ofthe people that I've spoken toespecially in prison wouldn't have doneagain whereas you get some people whoare just literally straight-up crazyyeah they are straight-up criminals butgenerally speaking it is that and I'llbe honest I used to be quite judgmentaland think people don't changemmm again that was just my limitingbelief and now speaking with peopleinterviewing people especially likeyourselves and seeing that you're ableto do the amazing things which we'regoing to talk about shortly it fills mewith like joy in like happiness and alsolike hope and you know having that senseof hope that we can create a betterworld we can create a better communityand yeah we definitely canI always feel when somebody's been atrock bottom they can offer so much moresomebody like yourself who's been on thebrink of like you said you could havebeen stabbed for example you could havehit you in an artery or something andboom you're gone there is no more as RonBrown absolutely at the same situationyou could have been in the wrong placeI've hurt somebody else in their lifeand their future is finished so I'mgrateful that that hasn't happened yeahyeah so I went for my sentencing Iremember sitting in the dock I was satthere I had the the police officerstanding next to me although the guardstanding next to me and while I was inthe dock and the judge came here and sheshe said hezron Brown stand up and Istood up and she said I was actuallygonna sentence you this morning this washer work this was her words to me mm-hmmand even up until this point I stillhave not forgotten she said I was gonnasentence you this morning but yourpre-sentencing report was glowing shesaid I don't know what you didor here you spoke to mm-hmm but I'mwilling to give you another chanceWow and of the feeling I got inside myheart just my heart just my heart sunksecond chance that's you know thatsecond chance and I literally reduced meto tears and I was just in the dock justcrying my eyes out while this woman'stalking to me and telling me what she'swhat she's actually going to sentence meto but I actually just didn't care aboutwhat she was sending me because I knew Iwasn't going to prisonyeah but then at the same time I thoughtto myself I've just wasted like 20 poundand a mat done all day hey I see likeyou know thinking that I was getting mylast meal with actually I'm not theregoes a six pack you know like I wasstill grateful so she gave me a two-yearsuspended sentenceshe gave me two hundred and eighty hoursof community service and a four hundredeighty pound fine now this two-yearsuspended sentence was something thatmade me was was one of the reasons why Ihad to change there wasn't I never had achoice I had to change because what thattwo-year suspended sentence meant wasthat if I had done anything in that timeat any point if the police is beingcalled and I'm involved or Thunder I'mautomatically getting sent to prison andmy actual sentence will get activatedthat's how they put it to me so theykind of scared me I'm thinking no way amI going to be put in a situation whereI'm going to prison so that started toslowly change my mentality I had a sonalong the way as well hmm I had a childon the way now the relationship brokedown with his mom and I actually endedup taking her to court to actually seemy son now this was a battle that lastedin totally spin seven years now my otherpartner at that time she turned aroundto me and she said you know hezron youyou need to bet your life you're yourson can't grow up thinking you know thatyou was a gang memberthat you don't know these bad things hesaid you need to prove what you'recapable ofyeah I love that when she said that tome really made me it made me think aboutthe future I think that was the firsttime I actually really thought about thefuture I I can't be this person that Iwas before just you know doing all thesebad things I have to change there isn'tthere isn't a choice I have to I have toyeah and she was being able to get meinto courses so I done a parentingcourse I donehealth and safety I don't food safety Idone I done my IT never one two andthree I redid my English a masked man Iwent in I don't customer service skillsand employability skills I just I justtried to build myself up to a pointwhere no one could turn around and sayhmm wow you know you're this bad personit sounds like it was something thathappened in like a month's time or ithappened in like too much time and I'msaying yeah I've got this qualificationthis qualification this talkit took me yes yeah it took me years toget all that done but I was proud when Igot done you should be because thatprocess of you developing yourself andyour mind and picking up all theseskills that can never be taken away fromyou could never be taken away never betaken away and I try and say this topeople because maybe maybe it's my age Ican look back a little bit but sometimeswe spend that time trying to pick upmaterialistic things and stuff and we'renot training our mind no and that's themost important thing and you know I'mproud of you for that well done and Ithink that and the best thing with thatis it's taking you two years and I'mkind of glad it's taken you two yearsbecause now you know how hard it is andI suppose you can appreciate the skillsand skilling up and stuff so oh yeah100% like hundred percent um becausethroughout that time you know I hadnever had I've never had a job beforeI'd never had a job before at this pointopen to the age of 22 I'd never had ajobWow I was living off the system and Iwas unrolled as one would pull it I wason road you know when you walk around inthe street and you see that hoodedperson walking around that was me thatwas meday and night that was meWow so you know I've gone from thatperson to now and he said upskillingmyself train in my mind training myselfto be a better person and what wasactually a really big turnaround for mewas one day I was sat in my flat and Isaid to one of my friends I said youknow what I need to change I sat downwith my friend and I said to him I saidyou know why why do we do these thingslike you know why do we why do weactually do these things well and helooked at me and he turned to me and hesaid well we have to this we need to doit and from there I thought now I cansurvive in a different way I don't needto be creating heartache and committingyou know crimes to you know I mean toget him to go finally yeah yeah and Iactually turned to him and I said youknow what tomorrow I'm gonna change myclothes and he said what do you meanyou're gonna change clothes I said I'mgonna change my clothes because at thattime I was always wearing black as Isaid I was that person that you see onthe show you know everything that I hadwas you were basically fitting thestereotype this there was likeabsolutely yeah 100%and I said everything I had was blackdown to my socks down to my boxerseverything was black yeah and I said tohim I said you know who I'm gonna changeI'm gonna go hey chin him and I'm gonnabuy myself some light colored clothesand he started laughing at me and I waslike why you laughing forand he said our heads on you're notgonna go and do that that gave me themotivation that I needed the next day Iwoke up I woke up earlygot myself a shower and I went to townand I went and bought a white top bluejeans I actually came out wearing theclothes and I put my black clothes in abag and I was sat at the bus stop andthis old lady came up to me and she juststarted randomly talking to me tell meabout her or all day or what she wasgonna do for the day tell me about hergrandkids tell him about her kids tellme why she had planned now when Iactually mentioned this story to peoplethey they always laugh because theydon't see that as a big thing but forme that was a big thing because that hasnever happened before I'm not saying shewouldn't but would she have spoken toyou or would you have even been in aplace that was approachable if you wereaddressed how you address yeah butexactly so and when I I remember thewhole journey she was speaking to me onthe bus because she was um she wascoming she was on the same bus style wason I remember the whole journey I wasjust smiling to myself and I got off thebus and I went to my flatand I just sat there and I was justsmiling to myself and my friend cameround to my house and he said oh yoyou've done it of course I've done ityeah I said don't ever doubt me becausewhen I say something when I say I'mgonna do something called do me and I'vealways stuck to that model if I say thatI'm gonna do something and I said whenthat old lady spoke to me that reallychanged me it made me it made me realizethat actually I wasn't a bad person thatI was I was just as you said making badchoices can I just touch on what youjust said there so you just saidsomething fiercely that I wasn't a badperson so somewhere along your life inyour journey you had this belief thatyou were a bad person because maybesociety told you you're a bad person allthe decisions you made there's a verystrong thing and I try and say this to alot of people is we are the story thatwe tell ourselves so if you consistentlykeep telling yourself that you're a badpersonsomewhere along the line you're gonnastart acting like a bad person you'regonna you're gonna find your way toalmost fit the narrative a bit likemyself when I used to say I was shy andanxious one I was very shy and anxiousbut two I'd almost get myself out ofsituations where I could grow and becomea person not shy and anxious if thatmakes sense so yeah yeah definitely it'sweird because you've touched on threethree ladies now who have really come atpivotal points in your life so you hadYvonne initially then you had the ladywho took your appointment she said notanother black man and then you've gotthis third lady you just come on a busand it's almost like somebody sendingyou a message all the time yeah againit's those subtle messages that peopleactually ignore that actually are thethings that change your life if youallow them to and if you accept it ifyou're allowed into an if you accept itand it's exactly is it that simplebecause you could you could have I couldhave seen that in a different way youknow but I didn't and I decided to seein the way that I did that these peopleare trying to change my life and that'show he's bettered me and that'sI've decided to change or did decide tochange get him back to the story of whenI was actually at court for my son orwhen I got all of those qualifications Iremember I went to court and I initiallyslapped it down on the table like Iliterally slapped it down like he waslike it was a movie or somethingand it's just like try and stop me fromseeing my son like that that's all Isaidand the judge looked at me and he saidwe actually can't stop you though but wecan't stop you from seeing your son youknow I mean and it was a good feeling toknow that you know I had achieved all ofthose things for my sonabsolutely and I ended up winning thecourt case so that was one of the realpivotal reasons why I decided to changebut yeah like from there I just didn't Ididn't decide to stop you know I didn'tjust think to myself okay like I've wonthe court case now I don't need to betmyself no more I don't need to enhancemy life no more I'm just gonna chilllike I've never done that I'd stilldecided to keep moving forward keepprogressing and and it was quite funnyyeah because when I was doing thevoluntary work there was people comingup to me saying why are you actuallyworking in here like there is no reasonfor why you need to be working here andI said I'm doing it to better myselflike I'm doing it I love it I'm justdoing it for myself and I was there fortwo months two to three months I wasthere for doing the volunteer work everyday I was dressing in a suit don't askme why I was just arrested in the seatjust because swaggered out I mean theBritish Heart Foundation you know andpeople say people just got to understandwhy button again was all because of mymentality I wanted to have a differentmentality and what was actuallyinteresting was that they actually tookme they signed me off from the JobCenter and signed me on to perhaps andit was for like those people that reallywanted to find the job and it was themthat actually got me involved with thePrince's Trust so one day I went in andI see my advisor and I asked him I saidoh he's there he's there anything goingon is there anything happening there anyjobs available and he turned to me andhe said oh there's there's no jobs oranythinglike that but there's a thing with theprinces trustees could get started intheater mm-hmm and I was like okay I waslike what is it he was like it's not ajob it's like a course I was like okayand he was like but I don't know if youare done if you want to do it becauseit's more like a confidence-buildingcourse but he's like hezron you knowyou've already got confidence so youdon't really need to do that course andI don't think that they would accept youmm-hmm and I looked him and I said putme on it I said even if I don't getaccepted onto it put me on it anywayI'll go I'll see what they say if theyaccept me then they do if they don'tthen oh wow it's just enough one ofthose things mm-hmm so we did he put meon it it was at the Birmingham reptheatre where it was being held so Iwent to the Birmingham rep theatre hadlike a little open day for it and itwould taste a day a little workshop so Ihad done that I had they had then put meonto the course and when I was on thiscourseI sat down and I said to myself I amgoing to commit a hundred percent thatwas it that was it I just said I'm gonnacommit a hundred percent I'm gonna sayhello to every single person I'm gonnabe the last person to leave and I'mgonna be the first person there that'swhat I said to myself and I stuck to mehe got to the point where people werewere asking who I was because I keptsaying hello to random people I was Iwas walking around a bearing a reptheatre the saying just just being likehellomorning morning and people couldn'tunderstand why I just kept sayingmorning and hello but that got theattention of people in the Birminghamrep theatre and I ended up doing thecourse so at the end of it we had toperform a play outside the brick theatreand we had to market it ourselves weeducate posters we had to do the playourselves and we look doing this playand guy from the West End came and thedirecting manager of the rep was thereas wellhis name was Steve bored and afterwinning had finished everyone wasgetting their awards and he wheneveryone was getting their awards forcompleting thecourse the guy turned around from WestEnd and he said Oh where's hezron Brownwhere is heso I'll step forward and he said I'mactually a talent scout and I would likeyou to play a part on the West End and Iwas like what so every wonder thereeveryone's there applauding everyone'sclapping but while they're doing thatI'm standing there baffled thinking I'mnot an actor like and I actually saidthat to him and he was like you'veactually got talent he said you mightnot know it but you have he actually hewanted me to play donkey in Shrek but Isaid to you no I haven't got noexperience and he said yeah I know youhaven't got any experience that's whythe repple gonna take you one sit inSteve ball he then stepped forward andsaid yes as wrong if you come and see menext week we can talk aboutopportunities about how to kind ofbetter your skills and enhance youracting basically so I did I mean I'veseen him and he gave me some actingposition that the Birmingham rep theatrejust like that and from there that'swhen things really started to change soI have now gone from this person thatwas homeless this person that never hadno food at times never had no money attimes that was unrolled at times to nowthis person who's an actor at theBirmingham rep theatre you can make afilm on that I could make a film be theactor as well so then the Prince's Trustgot wind of it so I sat down with awoman called Tsukiko Hale who is theyoung ambassador executive manager inthe West Midlands and I sat down withher so I told her my story as she saidokay she said how would you feel aboutbecoming an ambassador for the Prince'sTrust and I said yeah like I'm up forthat I definitely hundred percent Ithink I think that's a great lesson foranyone I'm not saying necessarily youwanting to become an actor but what youdid want to do is put yourself in abetter situation around better peopleand have a better life and by youembracing that opportunity and justliterally throwing yourself out therebecause I canimagine how comfortable you must havefelt coming from straight black blackhoodie black jogging bottoms to a suitsaying hello to people who you don'tknow how they're gonna perceive youbeing overly enthusiastic spending timeout of your own day go to charity placeslike British Heart Foundation and to putyourself in that environment and thenjust shine I just I just think it'samazing and hopefully people listen tothis and think if you really wantsomething in life and if you know whatyou want just go ahead and do it do youknow what I mean don't wait don't waitfor someone to give you give you the nodor the acceptance because you've got totake control of your life and you'vedone it may in fair play Tia thank youyou know what it's all about Southbelief I agree oh you know like there'snothing more powerful than self beliefnothing if you believe in yourself andyou believe that you can achieve thenyou can if you tell yourself everysingle day I'm gonna be a millionaireyou'll be a millionaire not just becauseyou've said it every day but becauseyou're you're putting it out there tothe universe you're installing that intoyour mindset so things that you will dofrom that point on will be things tomake you a millionaire absolutely a lotof people don't believe in themselvesthey don't and to be honest I'm guiltyof it so I never believed in myself Iwas into podcasts about two years ago orthree years ago yeah they are alwayswanted it because I'm always fascinatedby people's stories and I used to saycertain things about my life and peoplefind it inspiring and it's taken me like12 months to really have the self beliefand you touched on something there likethe millionaire thing and it's a bitlike you know for instance you go andbuy a red car for example you're goingto see that red car everywhere and thatthey call that the reticular activationsystem is kind of some scientific termso when you start saying you're amillionaire and you start putting it outthere into the universe you're going tostart seeing opportunities where you canpotentially become a millionaire you'regoing to be you're going to seemillionaires and millionaires you mighthave a conversation with one you mightpick up some information from himthrough your 20 minute conversation orwhatever so I think you've hit the nailon the head there self belief is soimportant especially to inspire peopleare motivated to go out there and dowhat they want to do you have to believein yourself you have to have him and youhave to because what will happen is thatopportunities will present themselves toyou but you won't take them because youdon't believe in yourself becausesaid you might feel like you're too shyor you know you've got this anxiety whenyou're around so you know like then isyou then start to lose out on some ofthe things that are actually there toactually better your life things areonly just started now really you know tolook up and as much as you know I haddone all those things before to bettermyself it's only now that theopportunities are actually coming my waythings that I had never seen before nowI was doing like garner dinners I wasgoing to red carpet events I was I wasstanding in front of corporate busestelling him about my life story tellinghim about how the Prince's Trust hashelped me and I'm at these I'm at theseplaces and I'm thinking to myself howdid I even get herelike sometimes it's a bit unreal becauseI'll be sitting there and I'll be I'llbe remembering the people that I used tohang around with mmmI remember the things that I used to doI remember the hard times that I was inthe times when I was literally I wentfor a depression I was literally likeyou know I was having suicidal thoughtsI was I was I never thought life wasworth living you know every day cryingmyself to sleep because of the situationthat I was in so I've gone from thatperson to now sitting down at a tablearound millionaires literallymillionaires pretty it's corporatebosses eating lobster like literallyeating lobster for my start I mean I'mkind of things I'm thinking like it'scrazy like it's crazy how I got myselffrom there today but obviously it waspossible and obviously I'm done laterself belief and it's the process andit's the process and people forget theprocess and you you've had to endure itand a lot of people think they can justwish something and it just happens in amonth in a week sometimes it can takefive years sometimes it could take tenyears I'm glad for your sister for yoursake and for the community because ofthe work you're doing now it's happenedit's quicker because now you're outthere and you're able to do great thingsso mmm it's fantastic man thank youthank you so he built up my confidenceit built upthe passion that I had actually becauseI think what was what was hindering meetme before was that I actually didn'tknow what I wanted to do a lot of peoplewere always like saying okay what do youwant to do you know like you know whatyou want to be coming I was always likeI actually don't know and I actuallydon't know what I want to do I don'tknow what I want to becomebut the Prince's Trust gave me theanswer and it was from doing all thoseevents because I was doing those eventsand I was talking to these people in mymind I was always thinking these aren'tthe people that need to hear my storyit's the young people that need to hearmy story surgery and from there Istarted going into schools I was doingit for free I was just going intoschools speak into year groups and I wasjust speaking to the young people turnedhim about my storysometimes on a one-to-one basissometimes as a whole year group and theimpact I was making and that I wasseeing was it was unreal you know cuzthere are a lot of young people that aregoing through similar finger yeah whatI've gone through and to be able to sayto them actually like I went throughthat but this is where I am now and tosee their face actually light up andthink hope to know that they've got hopethat they can now you know that they cancontinue like there was a boy that Ispoke to I told him my story and it wasit was during a it was during one of mytalks that I do and and he was to thewhole year group and this boy came up tome at the end and he's eternal it's okaywhat's mean he said can you be my mentorand I said well yeah like if you want meto any went I've got a temper and it'sexactly how you describe yours and hewas like to see and it's because he saidyou know he always keeps getting intobad situations and his temper keepsdefining him and I looked at him and Isaid your temper doesn't define you Isaid you know I've got a temper youwouldn't even believe it but I've got atemper as well but look where I'mstanding and now you're coming up to measking me for help youI said you can be that person in thefuture absolutely and and to see hisface was light up it was great man andit's nice really it's the best feelingto know that you've made an impact onsomeone's life in a way that you neveractually thought you could you know wasit sitting there before and I wasthinking you know if I speak about mytemper that's gonna help peoplesomething that could be possible it'swell deserved given from me it was wrongbecause you couldn't were given up andyou could have just I could have givenup stayed in that life and contrib senta hundred percent and this is whatpeople need to understand that life thatI was in before there was only two therewas only two roadsit was either jail or death and the lifeyou live in now the opportunities andjust the hell it's unreal to be honestthis is kind of like one of my missionsas well because you mentioned liketemper then just from you saying thatstory one person who could relate toyour story you could potentially have arole on effect for his life and then hecouldn't do fantastic things and theguests that I've got on this podcastthey're all got their own story so oneof my good friends he's got blind in oneeye and all eyes people because he's aboxing coach he's a fantastic personthat one of the best people I know andsomebody who's going through those kindof issues they might be able to relateto each story I've got somebody who'senlivened with cancer and they'restruggling in their mindset and dealingwith that so that's gonna help peoplewho are suffering with cancer so whatabout finding people who have hadadversity in their life but they've beennot given up they've not let the cardsthat lived out an effect and whatthey've done is they played with themthe best way they can and they found away to win the game and you're undermoney you're winning and longmatecontent I'm winning my I'm gonna move iton a little bit now I'm a big believerthat we are resort of the things we tellourselves but I'm also a big believerthat ideally habits are really importantas well so now if you could just tellpeople now it's a day in the life ofhezron Brown a day in the life of hezronBrown yeah well you know I need I needto be true for everyone I'm not I'm nota celebrity yet you know yeah yes butit's the process and he still sees tothe process I'm just looking to besomeone that you know these young peoplecan look up to and and hopefully howchange some people's lives but a life inthe day ofBrown is a life like everyone else youknow I get luck actually what I onething I do is when I get up I look inthe mirror for about five minutes and Ijust stare at myself as much as as muchas we're that that sound yeah stare atmyself I put my hands on my hips hmm andI just stare I'll just stare into myface I just stare into my eyes okay andI'll just keep saying to myself you'regonna make it you're gonna make it I'mgonna make it yes and that's all I keepsaved myself and I do it oops about fiveminutes sort of standing it and thatactually gives me the motivation to todo what I need to do in the day mmm mmmyou know if there's anything that I needto look at in regards to work or youknow if there's someone I need to go andspeak to it just gives me the motivationthat I needit's a powerful affirmation andsubconsciously you're strengthening yourself belief which is the reason you'redoing amazing things now so I think thatthat's really important this is kind ofwhy I asked the question becausesomebody always has something in theirroutine which they might not necessarilysee as an amazing thing but it's somekid out there who doesn't believe inhimself just simply stands up in themirror tomorrow morning with their handson the hips or wherever they want to putit and they just say empowering thingslike I am NOT shy for example or I amworth more I will achieve more I will domore for people and they consistentlysay that and it's not not just onceyou've got you've got to keep saying itespecially if you haven't got the selfbelief they will start seeing they willchange so mate that's a fantastic pointI think I think it's I've actually gotan image now because I said I said whatyou look like and standing there nowdecide I shouldn't be thinking it youknow because I've got black boxes I'vegot you there and I know it's empoweringfor myself as well you know for mymindset and because I said he just givesme the motivation that I need but yeahafter that put my clothes on go to workand come home eat foodgo to bed well actually no that's that'swhy I eat food and work on work onmyself again so that's good at themoment when I saythat I go into schools and colleges andpeople are Farrow units youth offendingteams prisons I do my talk but I alsotalk about some of the social issuesthat are plaguing a society as well so Igive talks on nice crime I give talks oncounty lines and I'm creating otherprograms as well other presentationsthat I can do in schools as well so atthe momentthat's what I'm doing just trying tocreate those presentations create I saidI'm just I'm out here trying to helppeople so love it in the evening thatjust work on myself fantastic justoffline we'll take this conversationoffline on my I did this little bit outI was a social worker in my last life aswelland I send the kids that I've gonethrough the system and how hard it isand stuff so one of my big goals in lifeis to have a social impact change aswell so something for offline becauseobviously you're in Princes trust I wantto start a social enterprise for mentalhealth as well there's a lot of thingsthat I feel that in the future we canwork on to make a massive difference inthe world so let's definitely go let'slet's do it mind let's do it let's gomanthe next question is about adversity andI think you've pretty much touched on ahell of a lot of adversity but if we canjust go back to one example and what Iwant you to do is give us the lessonsthat he's taught you and how that's madeyou stronger today oh I would say thetoughest like adversity that I faced waswhen I was in that bed and breakfastgoing through that time when I never hadno money I never had no food when I meanthat time for me was harder I mean thattime for me was hard I was 15 years oldturning 16imagine being that age - to fend foryourself literally like everything yeahand you know I remember nights MitchellI said I was crying myself to sleepbecause I was that hungry that my bellyfat like he was turning inside out and Ithink that taught me especially now hetaught me not to take for granted thingsthat I do for me yeah that's one of thebiggest things for me at the moment likeI just I just I'll just live life how Iwant to live life but I just do what Iwant to dobecause as I said I look back to thosetimes and and I realize actually whereI've come from and you know you've got asense of gratitude now as well foranything that you take which is reallyoh listen you should see me when I eatfood you should you should yeah ahthough you don't want to be around methe chicken brilliant brilliantokay so the next one's a little bitwe're gonna spin it a little bit againwhat's your biggest fear now my biggestfear is my temper even now and me losingmy temper losing that control andsomething bad happens which puts me backin that situation that I was in when Iwas younger a hell of a lot to lose aswell now and I've got so I've got somuch to lose like and you know when I'mtrying to say like I want to be a rolemodel for these young people and how canI be a role model if I'm out heregetting locked up for something or youknow I can't be that role model thatthese young people need if I'm doingthose if I'm doing those things and itis hard there's a guy called inkyjohnson I don't know if you know him hesays something about there's no pointyou trying to be a public success ifyou're a private failure exactly it's sopowerful because it's so easy on socialmedia to try and portray yourself to besomebody else do you know what I meanbut I think you have enough having thatin the back of your mind knowing how didthese kids depend on me you don't knowhe's watching you tomorrow it could be akid who's about to go and do the worstthing in his life but if he sees you andhe's looking at you and think it's hotin a minute this guy he's going placesdoing things that maybe I could do thatit might just completely change histrajectory of his life on the basis ofthat so obviously you've got that in theback of your head you don't wanna letyourself down you go you've got yourlittle one as well what's your what elsekeeps you going what's your motivationis it just to know go out there just bebigger better help more people yeah mymotivation now is to get into as muchschools of a can as much prisons as Ican as much people refer units listen Ijust want to get in front of as muchyoung people as I canand spread my story and hopefully changepeople's lives that's my motivationalong with my kids as well as I said youknow I don't I want I want my kids togrow upclean him proud of me err you know howyeah that's something that's somethingin my life that I've never really hadyou know people being proud of meand I think as well that's somethingthat I've tried to strive for yeah I'lltry to strive against that thatacceptance you know and for my kids mainleaf mostly I just want them to be proudof me yeah I just want them to be happyand know be able to say to people youknow that's my dad you know there were100 percent hundred saying man to manI'm proud of you for how far you've comeas well in your stories is I'm excitedmate for you for your future I'mgenuinely excited yeah I can't wait forthe things it's okay so what we're gonnado now we're gonna go into a quick fireround of 60 seconds and we're gonna puthas run through his paces we're gonnaask him as many questions as possible soif you're ready we're gonna start inthree two oneokay the ability to fly or be invisibleability to fly money your fame moneyNetflix or YouTube Netflix Coke or Pepsior Pepsi would you rather know how youwill die or when you were dying oh whenI would die love or money love books ormovies movies if you could sit with oneperson in the world for an hour whowould it be my kids I love them what isyour biggest addiction my baby oh theygive the Dixon food summer or wintersummer your favorite place in the worldmy bed speak or languages will be ableto speak to animals speak or languagesyour favorite song I don't have fun thelast song you listen to okay love ityour favorite superhero Superman if youcould abolish one thing in the worldwhat would it be or badness love it loveit okay times up so now we have finishedthat round we're gonna move overstraight back into the interview sectionof the show so the next question has runit's about reflection so how that's awonderful thing and upon reflection wecan always think of ways to get to wherewe are currently quicker easier or withless heartache but I guess the journeyteaches us a lot especiallyyour journey as well and I've got a realbelief that everything happens for areasonOh hundred percent absolutely so what Iwant to know is if you could go back intime to one moment where you reallystruggled let's let's take thatbed-and-breakfast example and sufferedwith that adversity being hungry in thatmoment and you could just whispersomething into your ear knowing what youknow now and where you're going now whatwould it bestay strong mmm literally stay strongcuz I said that was something that Ialways and I struggled with men when Imean like you know I was having thosesuicidal thoughts I was having some realsuicidal thoughts you know and if Icould go back then and you know speak tomyself I would just say heads one staystrong don't cry just stay strong stayon the path I wish I had done this stuffearlier but you know one thing that Ialways say it's people is I'm glad thatI've lived the life yeah people peoplealways people always say to me like ohif you could go back in time would youchange would you change anything no Iwouldn't and if anything called probablydo it worse because because now I havethe story sit down and speak to people Ican sit down and speak to well I haveI've sat down and spoken to older peoplehmm about things that they thought Iwould never know nothing about but I'mable to sit down and speak of thembecause of what I've been through sosuddenly that brings us to the lastquestion and the last question I alwayslike to ask my guess is if in 150 yearstime we're all dead because sciencehasn't managed to save us and all that'sleft is one book and that book is basedon your life about you telling the worldwho hezron Brown really was what I wannaknow is what that Blair would say andthen I'm just gonna add a littlequestion at the end is what would youcall it as wellokay I'm gonna probably call it thestruggle is real of it that's notprobably what I would call it thestruggle is real so if anyone's outthere who's listening that can write abook for me that's what the fight willbe the struggle is realand I think the blurb would like theblurb would just have to be somethinglike you know this is a man but you haveto say in a voice as well you can't justdo it like normally he has to be like ina voice like you know okay like a LiamNeeson kind of voice I'm gonna try asuccess with Scott let's go this is aman this is a man after facing hardtimes changed and became a better manfor the love of his kids and for thelove of what he wanted to do for societyI like it I like it I like it I like itbut it would have sounded better withthe Liam Neeson voice but oh that'sbrilliant that's - basically the end ofthe show so what I normally do now aswell is I ask people to reach out to youif you wouldn't mind and I think yourstory just one that's gonna inspirethousands of people so I've got you onTwitter but I know you've just startedthat have you got any of the socialmedia platforms yeah like I'm onFacebookokay um I'm on Twitter I'm on LinkedInas well is Helzer on brown on on most ofthem I think um Twitter its hezron Brown90 okay fantastic fantastic what I'llalso do is I'll put all these links tohezron social media in the show notes soif anyone wants to reach out please docheck the 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Find your voice - Episode 5 - Look up by Ashley Nixon #5Tagline: “So you sort of look at the victories of the past, and you rely on them for victories in the future"https://arendeu.com/podcastFind your voice - Episode 5Ashley Nixon grew up with rage, that would spiral his life into turmoil. Drug abuse, prison, fighting both in and out of the ring, dealing with well known drug cartels and gangs he often found himself living a life destined for jail or death. Fortunately it was the former and through his time in prison, Ashley had a realisation towards a better life. His purpose almost became apparent and with hard work, the right mindset and devoting himself to a larger cause Ashley is now on his path to serving others and making a massive difference in the world.His genuine personality, of wanting to serve and now his love for himself having been accepted by the lord, as he puts it, has given him a new life. Born again, is how he describes it and shows that anyone, despite their past mistakes or actions can truly turn their life around.Follow it below:Thanks for listeningFree Audible book sign up:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Audible-Membership/dp/B00OPA2XFG?actionCode=AMN30DFT1Bk06604291990WX&tag=are86-21Best book on Mindset by Carol Dweck: Mindset https://amzn.to/2QajMvZSupport the podcast: https://www.patreon.com/findyourvoiceLinks to me:Website: https://www.arendeu.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/aren.deu/Twitter: https://twitter.com/arendeuFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/aren.singhLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aren-deu-65443a4b/Podcast: https://www.findyourvoicepodcast.com YouTube: http://tiny.cc/51lx6yLinks to guest:Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010604051898#JustDeuIt & #FindYourVoice[Music]welcome to an episode of find your voicea movement led by yours trulyAren do a guy who has overcomecrippling anxiety adversity anddifficulty like so many of you in lifewhose main goal now is to help youcombat your excuses take control of yourlife write your own story and mostimportantly find your voice so nowwithout further ado I welcome the hostof the show himself mr. Aren do what'sgoing on people thank you for tuning into another episode of find your voice myname is Aren and I am the host of theshow so today's episode is one of hopeand one which really does capture yourimagination on what is possible thisindividual has been at rock bottom and Imean rock bottom where he's had thesupport he's had the community and he'shad the people around him to really tryand lift him up but it just wasn'tenough until something changed and I'mnot gonna tell you what that thing isbut I'm gonna let him explain it becauseI think this is such an important storyabout how we so often try and do thingsto please other people we try and fitinto places where we just know we don'tbelong and thankfully for not onlyhimself did he realize this but also forthe community he is now having such amassive positive impact on so I hopeyou're all having a fantastic day and Ihope this interview really does give yousome insight in terms of what's possibleand more importantly just give you asense of hope that people can changefirstly I'm gonna welcome back to theshow so how you doing today my friendyeah I'm doing good thank you yeahreally good thank you privilege to bethere so thank you well I'm verygrateful that you've taken time out yourday to come on so obviously you've heardthe introduction as listeners but Ithink it's more important we hear alittle bit more about Ashley himself andI've heard snapshots and highlightsabout how your world is transformedbasically since I last seen you in thegym so it's gonna be interesting for meas well as you guys is the listener soactually if you wouldn't mind if youcould just give us a run through alittle bit about your life from themoment you can remember basically upuntil where you are right now my rightokay yeahand it's looking back on your life andI'm 30 years old now so as you canimagine I've lived quite a bit for 30yearslisten try and give a bit of a snapshotof my life it's it's when you're readyto start so suppose looking back towhere we met we first met at the boxingclub leading up to that I'd been livingwith my family in Coventry they're agroup of Coventry we had my mom my manand a sister as well never really had adive growing up and then was about 10years old my mum met my now stepdad andbeing a 10 year old lad being the lifeof the family the man of the house andthen certainly having this new man inthe house it kind of I think from therethings began to disrupt in my house myworld was kind of turned upside down alittle bit and to add to that I supposewe moved them from Commons we'destablished when I was about 11 yearsold and so I'm moving to a new area theaccents were funny funny which is I'mreally but I'm sorry no new area Itrying to make new friendsangry and upset with my home situationand so as you can imagine I began tomeet with and get to know other kidsthat were like myself really just angryupset at the world and from there as youcan imagine paint up in school excitedto describe lessons and to get suspendedand get into fights him in there forlong smoking smoking cannabis regulagetting drunk on the weekendsoccasionally was ecstasy involved orcocaine and life for me quite early onin the years began to spiral really Idon't know what it was just one of thosekids that you know I weren't reallyscared of the police instead of schooland my family at home and we and upsetand trying to find a way to expressemotions I didn't quite understand andso through crime and getting intotrouble and I've been involved withyoung offenders and team stuff I andthey put me to trick all connections itwas back in the day connections withsomething that work with young kids totry and provide positive activities forthem so they sent me to the Lions BoxingClub and so that's how I found myself atthe box we talked when I was probablyabout 15 16 years old oh wow yeah yeahyes that's probably my first my hewasn't about that it was yeah my briefmemory of yourself was so I always hadthis thing in my head where I was at themost talented but I would always try andoutwork everyone in the gymand there's probably I'd say a handfulof people that I remember obviously youhad Connor who was like you know one ofthe best boxes in the gym there's a guygood friend of mine called Andy who usedto work really really hard on hisfitness and I remember yourself andthat's pretty much my only memory of youas somebody who when he came in hepretty much gave ease or so in terms oflike work ethic and stuff I fullyunderstand that I just want to quicklytouch on something though that youmentioned that you when you were growingup and you were angry and upset with theworld and stuff was that solely becauseyou had no father growing up or yeah hisighs beautiful thing in it and thenlook looking back I I try now to try andwork out and organize and think what itwas but the time it's hard when you'rein the middle of something and yourlife's a mess in these turmoil sometimesit's hard to put your finger on what itwas I suppose looking back it was diyosI was a little kid in Coventry and I wasten years old had my first girlfriendand things were going while I played forthe football team in my primary schooland then my mom meets my stepdad thisman's in my house and we move so youknow an hour away from my home having tomake new friends and I didn't want thatand I suppose it was just rebellionagainst that really I mean looking backnow I recognize my mom you know she hadme at a very young age and she gave upher youth to be my mom and she had ashot at being happy you know and Iwasn't happy about us being selfish andsuppose there's been a kid notunderstanding the world around you'resuppose absolutely absolutely and Ithink you touched on the point therehindsight's a wonderful thing wesometimes even myself I mean I was neverinvolved with the police or anything butthis stuff I did as a kid or at schooland you cringe when you think back andthink yeah I was are that guy but Isuppose we all know lessons from it andthat's kind of what I'm trying to getfrom this podcast and fun this interviewwith yourself so you've touched onbriefly obviously you got into boxingthen so how did that kind of transformyour life because I know that had amassive impact yeah so this is this isthe first time boxing and so there'sanother second occasion which is afterthis occasion I was there for a whileand it provided that stability and itprovided routine provided disciplinethat sort of thing and I remember thethe Rob this went back when I was a kidsball Marines came in and they didn'tlike a little demonstration in theboxing club and that was me so I thoughtthe rule means I'm gonna become asoldier and I went to the the careersoffice and I told him look I want to bea soldier I want to come and serve andthey asked me about my criminal recordand they basically said look paveyourself a couple years and we'll acceptthat so I tried my best to behave asI've always been a Jacqueline so it'smore a case of not getting caughtexcept for couple years continue to boxcontinue to get fit get healthy and wentdown to limp stone in Devon I've done afour-day selection course for the wrongreasons and which I passed that and alsosets means of the wrong reasons and thenI go into a phone a pub and I've donefor a BH I'd leave that witnessintimidation and as you can imagine thatwas the wrong Marines was my way out myway out of the brokenness my way out ofthe mess it was my way of trying to fixmyself and blooby only stay after thatthe door closed and my life justspiraled from there and things got realbut from then on I went back to the onlything that I really knew other than thatand that was selling drugs so from a kidfrom a young age or worked out you knowthe best way to fund any drug habit thatI'd have would be to sell drugs myselfand along with all the states that cometo that all of the reputation the moneyand the people thinking you're the big Iam and I really started a little kids Iwas an idiot and more Pitt and I've gotcaught up in a world that was massiveway bigger than myself and so that waslike 19 I think that was I startedspiraling and really spiraling in thatcontrol and over the next four years 19to the age of sort of 23 involve wrigleyinvolved in drug dealing and gang lifethat sort of thing I got noticed by someproper thugs like some proper likeorganized crime and I start selling forthese guys and these guys were likeI mean we were selling to likestreet-level lads and then we send tothose that are selling to them on thestreets but occasionally buying from thelocals like the Albanian mafia andselling the house a like it sounds crazywe've seen out loud sometimes I mean Isometimes I get to show this he's notsaying it sometimes I share this throughit sounds like something you see almoston a netflix program like narcos or itmight sound like that but i'll be honestlike this sort of thing happensthroughout the country you know I meanevery town every neighborhood everycouncil estatehave somebody who's involved in thiskind of a lifestyle it's they I'm sureas you know yourself maybe this kind ofthings it's widespread throughout thiscountry and I got caught up in it youknow I'm 1920 from a life away and I canown money really quickly and I'm goingto house parties and people know who Iam and about reputation and peoplerespect me and I'll be honest - they'rescared little kid if a woman's justtrying to vent that anger thatfrustration and finding drugs to maskproblems and issues and it may is just amess man absolute mess but yeah Isuppose you can imagine from that andended up in prison eventually which wasabsolutely the best place for me exactlywhere I belong and looking back nowprison mate was the best thing that everhappened to me just to touch on that soI've previously worked in a prison forabout six months it was part of mysocial work I was doing a master's atthe time and when I went there it wasone of the scariest places I've everbeen personally so I am afraid of thepolice I am afraid of like silly thingsbut when I was there you've seen how howlittle these people have interactionwith their kids or with you know thecommunity will be able to just do stuffI mean you were getting that one hourfreedom a day where they're allowed towalk in like the park kind of area theyhad and I was looking at that and I usedto go work there so obviously I'm therefrom like 9:00 to 5:00 in a I'm so happyto get back home and I used to alwayssay I just come home to the missus and Iwas like because I've had a couple ofscraps here and there and sometimesyou've hit someone the wrong way andthey're falling down and they're notgetting up and you kind of panic and youthink shit this could go in thatabsolutely different way and I literallysat back and I think having experiencedthat from the outside for six months itwas it was eye-opening for me to makesure that I never ever used my hands orgot into an altercation in the wrong wayso if you wouldn't mind like just forthem at listeners here because I thinkit'd be quite interesting a day in thelife of being someone as sort of aprisoner and how long would youtherefore as well yeah okay so I was Iwas quite fortunate and being involvedin the life that was involved you knowand regularly carried firearms and thatwe've you know tens of thousands ofpounds of cocaine transporting it in mycar I could have been given you knowseven ten fifteen you know however manyyearsbut in the end that abh thousand I gotthem for I got given a suspendedsentence at the end of the spin is insmessed up again got given communityorder or whatever it was basically likemy old sentence was just hanging over myhead because I never managed to behavelong enough for it to disappear and inthe end I got caught with about two orthree grams of cocaine which isbasically enough for personal amountthat basically invoked the suspendedsentence and I was given 6 months and 14days so I was well you say six months islike for me I mean I'm not like I coulddo a weekend in there oh yeah I thinkprison ultimately I mean as long asyou're willing to go there behaveyourself get your head down you're gonnabe okay but the reason you're in thereis because that's not something that youdo too easilyabsolutely for this occasion a tourismthe game and so you're okay and thenbeing allowed that's always trying toprove himself always trying to you knowpresent this person you know long okayI've got it together okay and so I findmyself in this prison and in prison is acurrency which is like tobacco andtobacco you're buying drugs you buy ashoe by that and it's the only addictionthat you're allowed and so people cravethe nicotine in animes in prison if youwant to borrow some tobacco from saylike the loan sharks in there they'llgive you however big the pouch is oneweek the next week they want to put theamount back my Gran's this prisonand I thought you know I'm gonna startborrowing tobacco because I wanna smokeaside borrowing some I didn't reallythink about the repayments at all theguy that was borrowed from was only ascrawny looking lad so I didn't reallyfeel too much about it he came on to meone day said Let Me In and pay me backwhat you owe me I basically told him Itold him where to go something on me I'ma painter which is you can imagine was apretty stupid idea and I didn't dobecause I was a tough guy no I don'tknow I wouldn't tell anybody I was a bighard man you know me big toughness justmore pickup in this crazy world but thisguy anyway he goes down and he says manI'm gonna go get my clothes my foot yeahwhatever jog on like you went to go getithis cousin was huge meimagine a massive Commodore basicallycorridors on the sideI mean there's a little central bit andthen another block on either side sortof things so kind of what you see on theTV rooms so I'm on the fifth floor thefifth I'm in the top floor and I'm justHank like basically my hands on therailings just looking over and then thisbig huge guy comes around the corner andhe goes right if that can't be iscausing this guy was huge and so I we'renew in prison if you guys didn't have astrap normally go into a pad one of theprison ward like the cells in thatyou'll have it off of a strap and twoguys will stand outside and keep tryingtill the guards come sort of thing asyou can imagine that's a prettyintimidating prospect when a guy thatthis guy was hugebut he came towards me anyway and sortof like he put himself in the browser aswell and I don't know if used for theproven point to the rest of the windbecause he ended up being the biggestloan shark on the wind load and he's puthis arms over the side I'm over to signhis turn and he goes what are you gonnapay me back and as I turned to talk tohim he just hit me at the side of thehead as hard as he couldI've sort of staggered back I ended uphaving local marks on the side made fourto three weeks because he's doing it onthe landing on the wing the securityguards nearby and so we strapped inflashing 30-second twenty seconds whenAllah and screwy guys jumped on himpinned him to the floor I've turned todecide the scrawny cousins had a go atme then as well and so I won't have anyscraps on the land and the securityguards got involved and and throughbasically the street lighting involvedwas the last one standing but as you canimagine again reputation starts good forthe roof people saying he is not a liaryou know I'm not paying attention to thesystem playing by the prison's ruleslike I said me I was in Indiawhoopee and I got myself into all kindsof trouble but um see ya these guysended up there getting removed off theprison wing moves to another part topresent and tobacco size tutorialbecause that last the ones who weresupplying tobacco they put a price on myhead so that if anyone gave me a hickeyand or a beam or whatever or you knowyou're in prison with a price on you andit's mostly you know stabbed a stickerand so this is the position I foundmyself in all over the game makingthings absolutely the worst I possiblycould for myself really I want to say Iadmire your honesty for for coming upand and sharing this story and I thinkwhat we need to take away from isprobably the most important bits is thatwhile you were doing all this and I'veseen you you're a big lad you yourstrong lad but you just mentioned acouple of things there where you've saidthat you were scared and you know youhad a mask on and you were you were kindof you almost trying to be somebody thatyou maybe you weren't deep down I'm notsure I'm not sure if that's the rightwords but I just feel like you've shownsome vulnerability there and I thinkthere's probably a lot of kids and I'vegot I've got a couple of extended familymembers or friends who are doing similarthings to yourself and it and it's itworries me because I'm always trying totell them but like whose reputation areyou really trying to get and what isthis reputation that you want to beknown for and I want to kind of justspin this a little bit because I don'twant people just thinking that you'reright they're just crap over the worldand going absolutely crazy because thereis light at the end of the tunnel withyour story which is why I find it sofascinating I know recently you've had amassive transformation in your life andI I can tell from your intelligence thatone you realize that you wereaccountable for everything you've takenresponsibility you've accepted that yeahit was your fault so if you wouldn'tmind just just for the listeners as welljust kind of how your life started totransform or what measures you took yeahokay so I think from what you've heardfrom my story already there's a coupleof times I've tried to sort myself outboxing was one and which in the endbecame so incredible at the time I thinktoo young and too stupid to take theopportunity given to me the secondHolmes the rule means trying to solve aself out through the wrong reasonsmany times I've tried and I knew my lifewas a mess I knew I needed help and youI needed a way out but I think with theanger and the frustration and I'll be onlet things go I was trapped you know asI was trapped you know I think I was inprison within my own mind long beforeeverything prison itself and so I thinkpersonally I was at a point of not beingable to help myself at all it's funnybecause I this apart the storyline Ilove this part of story it's not alwaysa part the story that people can alwaystruly grasp time in this prison mylife's in danger there's a price on myhead I'm looking over my shoulderconstantly waiting to get a kick in andit is at this point another prisoner whowas who was in the cell opposite me hecame to me he said may I I think youneed God and then one thing he got inyour life and I for me you want totaking the mick yeah and I'm in prisonmy life's in danger I need you knowbaseball bat or a couple of mates Idon't know and you know that's crazy butI think it's something at that point Idon't know if she's been triggering mesomething caught my attention I don'tknow what it was but a couple of dayslater I'm walking down a prison wing inthe corridor and there's a sign-up sheeton the wall for chapel and I see thisfunctional chapel and and somethingabout it just it just caught myattention it's all about it he just drewme towards it I was like okay what'sthis all aboutI looked at it and I read this timemachine afore it's not for me and I meanI'm not interested I don't care whatthis guy's saying about God I don't wantto know I don't care and I went to walkaway and something is showing me it'sthe strangest thing about it just feltlike there's something tugging at mesomething within was just pulling at meand I look back now and I've got wordsto try and describe what was going on itwas just crazyit was like it was weird it was crazy soit was pulling me towards this song shedoes something more about it than what Iread about it yeah in the end of I'vesort of gone back and as I'm going backtowards it there's like a sense ofexcitement growing I mean almost like asense of adrenalin groaning me know Iwas training some crazy drugs in thisworld but what was going on at thatmoment was it was surreal it's weird andso I thought you know what can I loselet's go and check out what thischappals all about and so I signed up myname and basically what this feat wasabout is if you sign up my name on aSunday a prison guard will come to youso they'd release you from prison theytake you to Chapel I thought okay coolI'll get myself out there so let's goI sign my name a million and the momentI found my name of a centerpiece itmeans I'd never experienced before in mylife well you know I was here I was inprison I was a broken-down scumbag andexactly what I deservedmy life was in danger and if I got me akicked in and I said oh I deserve buthere I was feeling peace feeling asthough there's more to life than whatcurrently experienced more than anypeople as well and that was crazy me totry and for me to look back and likesometimes I catch myself saying now it'stelling this storyabsolutely crazy really yeah I think Ithink this is such a fascinating storybecause it's literally from one extremeto the complete opposite end of thespectrum it's not like you've made amistake you made it the second time andthen you you've kind of sorted yourselfat through whatever means it is you'veliterally I mean I'm listening to thatstory initially and if I didn't know youand say for instance you had alreadytold me half the story I would be likeokay there's no hope for this guy and Isay that because like I said I knowpeople who are who have had a similarlife and I've tried my best to help thempersonally and I tried to kind of changetheir circle of friends their influencetry and change their mindset make themread more do more and sometimes I'll behonest I feel helpless but what you'vejust given me there which you may notrealize is you've given me a sense ofhope that actually ok might not be Godbut there there is a way that we can tapinto people say for instance likeyourself and I'm I'm using your wordshere I'm not calling you this by the wayper say Prince is somebody exactly likea scumbag for example I really sort oftransform their lives so oh yeah that ispowerful powerful stuff so yeah so youstarted you started in prison in termsof so you go to this chapel and then howdid that kind of accelerate afterwardsyeah yeah so I mean I'm in prison andlearned the chapel week-in week-out andI'm trying to study this bad persontrying to get more groups the Bible andstuff like that and hearing about a Godwho who loves me and God he wants thevery best for me a God of second chancesa god of redemption a lot of forgivenessand these are all the things I knew thatI needed so desperately and I remembergoing back to my son and tried my firstever prayer and I'm sort of saying Godyou know if you're out there and you arewho these people say well look I needhelp and I really really need to knowplease how many way the week's all go byI'm coming towards a moment where I likethe opposite gangs in honor these ladsare involved with these little guys okayhere comes to kicking I'm waiting for analarm would go off or a cigar would justturn on the corner you know I mean andlike almost like you leave coincidencesyeah yeah looking at them on the surfacelike this just a coincidence you knowthe main burner like it felt like I wasprotecting me I felt renewed it's nothope was there like I had hope you knownever excusedlike tomorrow's gonna be okay it's gonnabe all right you know me like no matterhow dark and how broken how messed up mysituation was you know what there is away out and things can change and it'sbeautiful me just having that hope justit stirs you online I love that I lovethat message and that's kind of amessage I always try and preach myselves and it's actually something thatkeV it's fantastic and he talks aboutbelief and whether you believe in God orwhether you believe in anything like healways says worst case just believe inyourself because we all need thatotherwise we're lost and I suppose youyou were I think it's fair to say youwere lost for so long and oh yeah youfound your calling and I think that'sfantastic mate it's one it's nice tohear that your life had turned aroundfrom that yes I imagined that youropinion of yourself changed so ratherthan see yourself as this scumbag forexample will keep just using that wordyes how did you start seeing yourselfhow would you explain yourself you okayI'd love to say that instantly BAM mychange completely yes does this newsense of hope there was this sense ofper person of death meaning that my lifehad value and meaning you know I mean itwasn't just some random mess that wasdoomed to fall apart with her but likeprisoners to flying yes I've got thisBible in my hands now I'm trying tolearn to pray but then I'm back in myown neighborhood of I tackle my uncleand my old gang mates who are only myold influences are they're my oldreputation goes before mold you knowknow made all this temptations around melooking I remember the first night comeout of prison you know this Bible in meunder mana going back home and we makecomes running and I'm sniffing coke withhim and I'm wondering why I can't sleepat night you know my doings myself and Ithink the 10-month period be kind ofjust completely wrestling between theidentity that I used to haveand this new identity that I'veexperienced and wanted so much more uhand so does this season of uh you knowat growl bit on the weekend and I'll getinto fights and I've got my jaw brokenbetween I throw my prison before Istarted boxing just a flat-out into afight go out and take drugs then comehome and read my Bible and pray andbelieve in this God that was gonna saveme and set me free it was just a weirdseason of things happening but in thisperiod again like I spoke aboutcoincidences in the prison I believecoincidences we had to start takingplace outside of prison as well so thegang that I was involved in and I said Iwas on tag so I had to be in by sevenfucking line eight o'clock at nightthere was caught in the drugs bust rightat one point four million pounds of drugbust and they're caught with like largeamounts of cocaine large amounts of cashshotguns and literally a big bust it wasacross the news everywhere so they wereremoved from the streets I found out mybest friend was Steven my girlfriend wasin prison so they all removed from mylife and through another series ofcomplete coincidences I was leftisolated and all alone and with nothingmore than the Bible and trying to learnto pray and I believe God removed thebaggage from my life and the brokennessfor my life to really be able to work onmyself and so for me when when you readsome of the things in the bite the biobassoonist stuff the bio says about it'sbeautiful like it's beautifully likesays that every hair that's on your headis numbered God knows you that well andthat intimately in you are of thatimportance and that value in your hairis numb but you don't mean like stufflike it's beautiful and she decided toread this stuff and he starts to tospeak value into your life I think oneof the most powerful things that thatcan happen with things like depressionyou'll have these thoughts that go overand over and over in your head and theycompletely compoundingthe ideas so if you think that you'renothing any worthless and you'rethinking that constantly every singleday you're gonna think you're worthlessand nothing I know it's gonna spiral oras if someone starts to speak words arepositive words are encouragingI think words and words that we believeand the things that we believe aboutourselves are so powerful you've tookthe words right out of my mouth and Iwas gonna say this literally I was gonnasay this later on because how you speakto yourself will determine your life inyour story and your level of happinessmassively in terms of so even myselfI've gone through like anxiety and allthat sort of stuff in my life and interms of like my business for example ifjust use it as an example it's gone muchbetter in the last six months than itwas previously but because my state ofmind and my self-worth and love andeverything was always at its best Isuppose I've always managed to be happyin the moment and happy in the now soirrespective of whether I have morezeros in the end of my bank account atthe end of the day or I have a fanciercar outside on my driveway my level ofhappiness doesn't really change becauseit's an inside job and I think peopleare always trying to personal thingsmaterialistic things whereby they'retrying to get some sort of validationfrom the public or external factors butwhat you really need to do is lookwithin yourselves and until you canstart loving yourself and start lookingafter yourself so how you look afteryourself in the gym or with your dietyou need to look after yourself withyour thoughts so you know massively Iappreciate you saying that mate becauseI'm you did take the words out my mouthI was saving that for later it'simportant we live in a world now whichis so media driven Facebook we've goteverything there are fingertips but themessage of the world is saying to us isyou're not good enough unless you havethis have something to sell they've gota product to get rid off so they canconvince you that you're not good enoughwithout their product that's whatthey're gonna do and if we've seen thesemessages day in and day outno wonder the half of all things were nogood with nothing we're worthlessbecause that's what the world is tellingus that's so powerful it's horrible me Imean it makes people feel inferior and Ithink one of the things I've alwaystried to do so I used to be personaltraining previously a long time ago andI see a lot of personal trainers orthey're not even personal trainers itpeople on Instagram who you've got sixpacks for example and what they're doingis those they'll sell this kind ofcourse or they'll just keep constantlyshowing forwards of their abs and then Iwas getting a lot of people come in withinsecurities because I happens is you goon Instagram everyone's live in theirbest life everyone's got a careveryone's going on holiday a month theyread it to all friends in the middle ofthe night and they doing all this crazystuff and I'm thinking you saying thetruth another reason for this podcast isto give people the the cold hard truththat you're gonna have shit days youknow you're gonna you're gonna have gooddays but it's about trying to work onyour mindset trying to understand thepeople out there like like yourselveswho are going through this as well butthey're coming out on the other sidebasically and they're coming out with itwhether it's theconnection to God or whether it's theirdaily habits or the way they theenvironment we're in in the words for meI find that in the Bible I found that inmy relations with God I find out how hewas guiding me and leading me but thenat the same time then another powerfulpart was the boxing club hmm so I knew Ineeded a good community around me Ineeded friends I needed help you knowand for me as much as I've experiencedGod and his power in prison as much as Iwas now reading the Bible and prayingthe idea of going to church was wasforeign you know me but I rememberedfrom when I was a kid that I had a placewhere I was welcomed I had a place whereI was loved I had a place where I wasaccepted that was my boxing club so Iremember rather sheepishly driving backto my boxing club knowing I left therebecause I've got caught up in drugs andstuff knowing that I'd probably let themall down and wondering how they treat mewant to come back and I member pullingup in there in the carpark in there andthen so keV came out for the doors likeI lost one even recognized me and hesaid come in man we went in and like helet one of the other coaches carry onwith the class and stuff and went up andsign the classrooms upstairsit just checked me like you just heardmy story heard how old my life'sreturning to you know complete hustleyeah yeah except me like and you knowhe's not Christian himself but thevalues that he betrays their godly madethe beautiful and I mean the guy'sincredible May he was my first episodeand the reason he was my first episodeis because the world needs more of keVDylan and I don't think because he'snature and his job and stuff he's notaware of the whole selling himself formarketing himself and I'm kind of I wantto be his advocate because I just feelthat if people spend mine with himmay I mentioned on the podcast the bestyears of my life was when keV wastraining me on a one-to-one basis Iloved him I loved spending time with himI'm similar to keV I'm not a religiousperson but we share the same values andethics and I feel that whatever you findyour power through or your level of Hopethrough hold that tight I've never letgo because that's gonna that's gonna getyou through this world because and justhis way of thinking I mean he could sitthere and feel sorry for himself all thetime or he could judge youthere and I think it takes a big manlike yourself to come out and think okayI've let these people down many timesbefore can I step back in the reason soFairplay for dropping your ego therebecause I think that's another thing hehas we have a big sense of ego growingup yeah and if you can if you can getrid of the ego within yourself I justthink you live a much more fulfillinglifeno absolutely it's a blessing stillbeing a mop it still reading this Bibleand praying and still had these crazyexperiences may his cradles just in acrazy time but I start with the box in abox it becomes a place of stabilitybecomes a place of discipline and aplace where I'm accepted and then let meeven given the privilege of now to coachas well and I'm like somebody's puttingvalue in tomorrow if you see somethingit mean it's calling the help from me aswe've gotten more relation with God thesame things happening and I ended upthen going back to church I start goingto church I'll be honest because a girlinvited me and so I find myself inchurch against trying to buy anothercommunity of people that just love meand accept me for who I amand and then I heard the Gospel messagewhich is the central message ofChristianity that God loves you nomatter what you've done he wants toforgive you for no matter how muchbrokenness and how much pain you'vebrought into this world and wants togive you a second chance and so I sortof accepted that message and I believethrough the boxing and the community hadtheir through the valley the cave wasgiven me through the Bible through myexperience of God something in me justboldly changed and I had a new sense ofwho I was as a person and for me I wasstill taking drugs I never had anytroops counseling no referral workers nodrug dependency no no help or medicationjust gonna show us how we can justsaying this is one going to live for thenext week drugs just went has noaddiction as new need for it there'slike the void that was being filled withthe drugs or the void that has beenfilled with white say was darkness whichis full of light no best hope and it wasjust boom I'm free and you made justthat I just want to touch time thatsorry just before you carry on you makewhat you did there you made a decisionwhen you make a decision like you justmade there with convictionin the church saying listen you knowwhat this is me now this is my newidentity this is the new actually mixinI am no longer that person you've kindof ridding yourself of that past it'sjust powerful mate and I just want toelaborate on that thank you thank youyeah there's a beautiful passage in thebio leases and you must be born again soyou must have your whole life completedand he's set free from stuff so for meI've always wanted to be free the drugsI always knew it was wrong but there'slike something that just held me in itlike I don't know ever just like I saiddidn't have the conviction didn't havinga beliefdidn't have the sense of shrimp to getmyself out but now that moment standingin my church and I message your footmight not believe this is really trueit's almost as if BAM was born again youknow no man all right I felt likesomething just changed like it's crazy Ilove it's a massive change fromobviously where you fit first where wejust touch on that now so you you'reborn again it's your day like now thenbecause I'm hoping and I've got my handscrossed here that you're not on thestreets at any stage selling anythingdoing anything god you made so what'syour kind of like daily routine thatyou're doing that God the drumsdisappeared on peon they don't say onlyonly like you and you're kind of dante'syou're you're downplaying theachievements listen my biggest claim tofame was keV was gonna select me fornovice Nationals and I'd only had onefight previous to that and I took aninjury outside which is a story foranother day but I was so proud of thatbecause I know how hard it is to trainmate so fantastic mate well done forthat so thank you yeah so yeah I've donethe Box in than that and then I wascoaching the club and you know you justshrimp dish shrimp and then I've I wentto my church I was doing like aninternship at the same time trying toget my head into what the hell is thiscrazy Christian world all about why isthe truth a bit as opposed to the theChristianity of this portrayed in themedia what's the real story behind allthen my church said look we want to fundyou and pay for you to go to BibleCollege which is basically University soI went to university degree in thepriorities in church leadershipshe's the first class on this as wellrelations lady who's been in prisonhe's quite yeah massive massiveturnaround I love that from their churchso about six hundred churches in Britainand about three thousand around theworld as well they want to they'verecognized that my life changed Irecognized that there's something of Godin me and something's going on in mylife so they've probably now on to atraining program which is for the nextthree years become an ordained reverenta minister so I'm currently training tobecome a minister and church matebelieve or not may you're giving megoosebumps I contact you see you rightnowI promise you the hairs of light raisedOmaha from drugs to a degree to nowyou're going to be spreading the messageof what you believe in the future and Ibless my little boy and be there for himin an amazing life radically changed meI love the privilege that I have toshare this story because every time Ishare it I'm a I'm so grateful as wellmyself to be able to sit here and speakwith you as well whether honestly thisis this is fantastic and this is this iswhat it's all about spreading this kindof message as well your son's very luckybecause sometimes I feel in a wayyou have an advantage over other peoplebecause you've been you've been in thedark side mate you've been rock bottomand use this in it and you're not you'renot reading a book about somebody who'sbeen on the dark side and then trying tofabricate a story you've lived it youknow not on the other side and it givespeople hope and like likely touched onearlier hope is like one of the mostimportant things in the world cuz ifyou've nothing to hope for and nothingto wish for then life kind of becomesmeaningless you know a powerful man I'mreally happy for you you give megoosebumps mate it's the first timewe've really so I'm looking forward toobviously keeping this friendship goingin the future as well and whenever youdown at the gym is are trying to stuffmy boxing gloves on I love it okay soI'm gonna just switch it a little bitnow and I was gonna ask him at adversitybut I think pretty much hit like so manyaspects of your life in terms ofadversity but if I just put you on thespot a little bit here now for thelisteners he has an only chance to kindof prepare himself for this so let'sjust point to him but I'm sure you'lland you'll on the right answer me interms of adversity so now you've beenborn again and things are going well foryou you've got hmm I mean new missusyou're with your son now you're spendingtime with him things are going well foryou you've got your degree in everythingif let's just say now in the last coupleof months or the last year could youthink of a time where you've hadadversity again but knowing what youknow now and obviously finding the lighthow do you handle it now because I thinkit's really important for people torealize that life can still try andthrow you a curveball and then it's howyou react to it so just give you a bitof a back to do something I'm marriednow and my wife is an incredible womanyou know sometimes I think there must bea god because she's great obviously likeme my wife both came from Bergerbackgrounds she's also got quite a storyof hope and transformation zone andbhavish thing you come from a brokenback ground and that baggage doesn'tjust go away you know I mean they're allmindsets yes I'm a Christian now yes ibelieve in christian principles andmorals but still I'm on a journey untilI see journey and you don't just changejust is it a change that happens overand so the Christian Way obviously wedon't obviously try not to have sexbefore marriage and that's probably oneof the big Christian teachings and stuffI know the sex is a sacred thing savedfor marriage and which for me was veryforeign to the way I used to think andso obviously my wife struggled with thata little bit anyway but we decided thatwe was gonna wait until he's married andwe believe highly in the sanctity ofmarriage the marriage is an incrediblething that it should be entered intolightly and as opposed to our culturetoday is that if something's not workingif you had to throw it away start againand we're in a consumeristic culture soonce you've used something you justthrow it away if something's not workingproperly anymore you get rid of it get anew one and I think sometimes that kindof mentality especially in the 21stcentury carries forward into ourrelationships and so we're not always Idon't think you got to work on arelationship it starts to go wrong wejust think let's chop her out let's geta new model sort of thing and so for aChristian to not have the whole sectorfor marriage and then to get married andto believe that we're married in theeyes of God that we've been broughttogether because you know God wants thevery best for us and you have our veryhigh expectation of marriage and a highview of marriage but as you can imaginesee people that don't live together andthen they start to live together itcauses frictionyeah any two people coming together anytwo people with two different lifestyles and different ways of livingfriction and so I don't know if we hadan idealistic view of what life would belike I think for me I'm away from thefirst years of our marriage I supposewe've struggled a little bit just withthe whole being different people comingfrom broken backgrounds differentexpectations and stuff I did thebeautiful thing of having such a highview on the moment was that rather thanme thinking I'm gonna chop her and get anew one it was like I'm gonna dig inI've been through brokenness before I'vebeen through darkness before I've seenhow bad life from get you ain't gonnaget that bad again and I'm gonna pressthrough and say you saw look at thevictories from the past and you sort ofrely on them for victories in the futureand so me my wife worked out ourdifferences in just a flatironwe're stronger now and more in love nowthan we'd ever be if we hadn't have gonethrough what we went through I'll behonest mate sometimes you come humblywere going on that woman she doesmulatto it and I'm sure if she was inthis room she'd say exactly the samething about me but I love it to bits manand I thinkwithout going through what we wentthrough we won't have what we have nowand suppose yeah I loved that mayor Ithink it's remembering past victories tobelieve that they'll be presentvictories written victories of the pastas a sword not because I want toelaborate on that in a second but justbefore that you were making me smallwhile you were saying that and I waskind of so I put my vulnerability hereI'm a very emotional person so I kind ofget emotional when I hear stuff let upbecause the way I view my wife and mymarriage is the same as you it's it's avery very important thing for me I was abit of a dad back at Union I always madea promise at the moment I get married Iwill do everything in my power to be thebest man that I can be and I so oftensee people who maybe stray or just dojust do things that I don't necessarilyagree with so for me at man-to-manhearing somebody who has that sense oflove and the way you look at your wifemay I hold my heart of team because it'simportant because behind every monthgood man there's a good woman and I'mdoing the stuff that I am fortunate todo now I mean as we speak now and werecord this my wife's at work bless herand my aim is to get her out of workvery soon but if I couldn't have done alot of the stuff I've done in my life ifit wasn't for my wife and I'm verygrateful I love just hearing yourtransformation because although you weredoing all those things in the past thisperson this genuinely amazing person wasalways in there and I'm just glad thatyou managed to find it just to touch onthe victories of the past so what I findthat so powerful was because there's aguy called David Goggins I'm not sure ifyou follow him but he's somebody who Ifollow quite quite a lot religiouslybasically but he mentioned somethingcalled a cookie jar and what he does isall of these he calls it like a jar offuck what he does is every time he'sbeen through shit in his life he puts itinto this imaginary jar of fuck rightand he calls it like the cookie jar andthen what happens is when he's facedwith adversity in life he thinks back tothat Johnny's at hold on a minute I'mthat same guy who's been through all ofthis and I can get visit and goingthrough now and I think you've you'vedone it in your own way you've said thevictories of the past will help yousecure victories of the future which ithink is just as powerful lesson so mayit's fantastic that I mean you don'teven argue there guys and yet you'repreaching the same stuff as this guywho's in millions which is why I sayeveryone's story matters because yourstory matters and it's gonna it's gonnainspire lots of people sothat's fantastic man I wish you and yourwife all the best it'd be great to gether on the show as well which means I'mvery interested yeah I'm sure she wouldbe yeah yeah yeah definitely I'll put itto anywhere she says definitely meyeah she's got great story I love itmate I'm just gonna switch gears againI'm just conscious obviously I'm therunning time as well so where you arecurrently now in your life and I knowyou from like a physical aspect in termsof like your boxing and stuff and beingon the streets you're not really afraidof much or at least it doesn't seem likeyou're afraidbut let me ask you the question right inthis moment right now what is yourbiggest fear hmm okayI mean so fear is also a vulnerablething because we put high value one onfaith I suppose the ante that would befearing it so the opposite of faith isfear so fear for me would be that I'vebeen giving this incredibly beautifullife and I make an absolute mess of it Idon't use every single day to do all Ican to give back to the garden and tothe communities that have built so muchinto me so my fear would be that I mightjust make a mess of things you know Ilove thatso it's a great message and I'mconfident knowing where you are now Iwouldn't have been confident secure togo up I'm confident that you'll do thatmate and you've got a good communityaround you you've got mutual friends andafter this you know I consider you afriend and if you ever need any helpfrom me by all these new reach I am morethan happy to sort it on my hand so onthe basis of that and obviously now youfound your calling and you just touchthat you want to make an impact or justdo the best you can basically would yousay that's your main motivation orinspiration that kind of keeps you keepsyou going every morning or isn'tanything else other than your wife yeahyeah there's a couple of things Isuppose I suppose having a fear issomething to kind of drag you down or itcan propel you forward yeah so like fearis faithful it's believed in theopposite to the lies that we sauce andtell ourselves and for me a great sourceof hope for the future and a drive is isreading the Bible the Word of God andthere's some things in there may youread anything in there for 2,000 yearsnow and like so there's a passion systemall things work together for good forthe good of those who love God andthat's like everyone's thought I've seenpeople with tattoos if it sayseverything happens for a reason it'ssomething that was written in the Bible2,000 years ago some of the stuff that'swritten in there about you know she'smight be transformed by the renewal ofyour mind think on things are abovethink on things that are holy and goodand pure and just training your mind tothink positively to think the best of anegative situation is so powerful so andso yes but for me like in the morningjust haven't you know 20 minutes half anhour an hour even just reading thatcrazy book that inspires you knowbillions of people the world around itthat's a real motivator for me and thenthere's those moments where you seesomeone else they get it and the lightcomes on absolutely and I'm in you can II now work from a Christian company wework with kids that care system okay Imean you think my life's but these kidsmight day something like child sexualexploitation backgrounds and severe drugabuses from young age all kinds ofdomestic abuse and violence and stufflike kids that have been rejected bytheir families and their parents theirloan Society and they come through thesystem and it's basically teaching themat the one end to tidy a bedroom and tocook and clean and the other end tofunction in society and to see them justtake little steps it's beautiful and tobe involved in that kind of a processit's it's beautiful to do that sort ofthing is great it's goodyeah the motivator ultimately it'sliving not for yourself or for othersthere's a great power in buying intoyourself and when you know you no longerneed to let society think your yourwritten you've got it and you don't needto prove you accept yourself then youcan live for others and that's beautifulme Wow it is may may be may beabsolutely and you know I don't discountanything but I just worked so whatreally hit me there was a you might notknow this but I've got siblings who havebeen in the foster care so three mysiblings are whiteJosh Coyle and Kelsey and they camethrough the foster care system but thenwe went through guardianship so theybasicallythe family and my younger sister Illyais adopted as well so that was one ofthe reasons where why I personally wentinto social it because I want you to bethe best damn social worker in the worldand change the world because the life wehave made is a million times better thanthe life these kids have had in killyeah and for you to be doing such agreat thing now I'm just I'm so gratefulthat one you found like however youfound it but two you're also giving backbecause you're gonna be a massivepositive influence on these dude I loveit mate we've got a lot more in commonthan I thought other than boxing yeahwhat thing is I went into social work tocut a long story short because I was thebreaking as a project manager in LondonI was only more money than I knew whatto do it but there comes a time whereyou need something more than money toget you out of bed in the morning and itwas always I just want to help peopleand I send my siblings go through somuch shit that I was like I'm gonnachange the world but then when I gotinto social is the one thing that let medown was there's so much bureaucracythat you can't really change it thatmuch so what I've done is thought okaylet me use my presence and my brand andmy marketing and influences and let'stry and change the worldholistic Lee so reaching out to peoplelike you you've got a community reachingout to community centres and I'm tryingto make an impact where nobody say to meoh you've got a gold do some paperwork9205 I'm I'm doing this on my own and Iwant to kind of change the world as keyshares that sounds my own way but Ican't do it by myself which is why Ineed people like yourselves and othersto share this you'll really get togetherso I love it mate and just on that notethe buzzer has gone off so this is thepart of the show where we getinterrupted we change the script wechange the pattern and we're just goingto go into a quick five 60 secondsQ&A if you're ready yeah sounds good inthree two oneokay buddy the ability to fly or beinvisible or invisible for money or fame[Music]Netflix on YouTube YouTube Coke or Pepsioh would you rather know how you willdie or when you were dying when love ormoney love summer or winter summer yourfavorite place in the whole wideright here and right now love itwould you rather speak all of the actlanguages in the world will be able tospeak to animals all the languages ifyou could abolish one thing in the worldwhat would it be darkness your favoritesong ever oh man Christmas is aChristian song called how great howgreat is our God not for me volumes readminds or predict the future predict thefuture okay okay but time is up so soyou work with money didn't you at theend rather than fame the money or fame Ithink I went from money in the endbecause yeah with money you can do somuch for other people I love it and Ithink sometimes Fame can get in the wayKlein it because means is something thatdrives parade and elegance for me personyou know something I have to check on alot absolutely I love it me I love itokay so we're gonna go back into theinterview style of the questions againnow like I said you keep taking thewords out of my mouth at the minute soin relation to a reflection I always sayhindsight's a wonderful thing and uponreflecting we can always think of wayswhere we can do things quicker or get toa certain place earlier or easier but Ialways say the journey teaches us a lotas well and yeah it's something that Ifeel everything happens for a reasonwhich is kind of what you touch them onso if you can go back to say one momentin your life where maybe you werestruggling or you really found a turningpoint and you could fast track all yourprogress knowing exactly what you knownow what would that time be and whatwould you actually say okay um I thinkthis is difficult is fun I think becauseyou said you put a lot of emphasis onthe journey already I think it's thejourney that makes you who you areand so I mean I think I had to go topresent I won't want to not I've gone toprison because I think that was suchcrucial integral part of my journey toexperience what I experienced I wouldn'twant to stop myself and go in there so Idon't think I would be Who I am todaybut I think it's just something so it'simpolite I mean we always look inward sooften and when we look in words when Ihave people upset and his diet is brokenthen we look out but everything else Ilook so much better I think just lookingup just the words look up I love that Imean personally I've obviously been aman of faith I'd say just look up mm-hmmbut the journey they say it's crewit's hard it is may it molds you intothe person that you are mice well Isuppose it's more for the fact that thereason I always ask this question isbecause I wouldn't change your journey Iwish you suffered less pain in your lifepersonally but at the same time I'mgrateful that you've been through yourjourney and you come out the other sidebecause mate you're gonna do amazingthings in the world and I truly believethat but I just feel that if say forinstance there was another carbon copyof yourself but we can just take away alittle bit of their pain maybe and alittle bit of their hardship if therewas something that we could necessarilysay for I take your own I take youranswer on board I think it's fantasticanswer so thank you thank you so there'sonly really one more question that Ialways like to ask my guests for thelisteners and that is basically if sayfor instance in 150 years time we are nolonger about and you know here's a bookon the table and this book is about youso what would that book be called andwhat would the blurb at the back of ittell us about Ashley Nixon I stuffed methat what would the book be Colin yeahlet's go from the blimp cuz I've thrownthat in myself here from darkness tolight no matter how dark has been thisjourney of darkness will turn to I don'tknow it's hard to think of a blurb on itbecause blows becoming like trying tocapture all of what we've said orparagraph it's I think no matter howdark and how broken things can get thereis always a way outand this story will show you the way outwill help you to be inspired to as wellI love it something along them lines Idon't know I have to pee I love it Ilove that and just thinking out loudwhat I would call it just on this Iwould call it that's coming fromsomebody who does it necessarily followGod but I just think the lessons thatyou just taught me today the lesson thatI live by anyway so it's kind of you'resaying stuff dumb like hold on a minuteis that in the Biblereally and that's fascinating for melike I'm always eager to learn more andtry and become a better person so Iappreciate you for that I just want toend this now because I think it'simportant May and I know you're notalways on social media selling yourstory I always try and get people tosell their stories rather than you knowhaving to see people who are sellingcourses andall that shit on social media I thinkit's more important people sellthemselves and they sell their truestory and what they can offer to theworld and I think you've got somethingto offer so if there's one place thatpeople can connect with you what wouldbe the best way that people can reachout to you I suppose Facebook he's theone for me like I wasn't always onsocial media was always into that sortof thing but I recognized it is a placewhere people connect so powerfully soyou know I mean and people share so muchof themselves on there and so I've got aFacebook account on mine avid post thereis a bit more of my story on there forpeople to recap over if they want to aswell so yeah it suppose Facebookdefinitely and I don't mind peoplesaying formal questions the one okayfantastic so for anyone listening pleasedo reach out it's actually mixing onFacebook I'll put all the links andeverything in the show notes so you canliterally download it what I would justsay and again I'm not trying to add workor anything it's just the kind ofthought off the top of my head is youcould potentially and maybe this issomething in the future mate is maybestart a community it could be called alittle company could be called whateveryou want to call it right and I think ifyou can get people who may be Christiansmay be believers or people that havesinned such a dark place because I'lltell you something there's there's ahell of a lot more people than justyourself you have company thistransformation or or need thistransformation I feel that like you saidFacebook's very powerful maybe thinksomewhere you create this a nice safehaven for people where they feel safeand I just think you've got a greatmessage mate it's been an absolutepleasure speaking to you and yourselveslooting honestly it's been brilliant Ilove to get you back on the podcastagain maybe with your missus or yourmissus on a separate one because I feellike everyone's got a story and I justwant to thank everyone for tuning in asalways thanks for listening and rememberthis podcast is absolutely free so allwe ask in return is for you to sharethis with a friend and drop us a 5-starreview over on iTuneshave an awesome day See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Find your voice - Episode 3 - The Art Of Connecting With Ourselves by Theodore TreveilTheodore Treveil also known as Theo, knows what it is like to hit rock bottom. He has had a life of so much adversity and hardship that rather than killing him, it has only made him so much stronger. Determined to find his voice and show the world he was more than his current circumstances he often lay there visualing."Visualise, visualise, visualise" - TheoFrom sleeping on the streets of Victoria Station to ridding himself of his drug addiction Theo has now taken a stand and truly connected with himself. In doing this his passion now is to touch as many lives as possible, with a 50,000 target next year. Titans Mastermind is his movement and is about becoming a Titan of your own life!Let me assure you, this is one guy whos story you want to follow, as it has only just begun..."Our thoughts create our feelings and our feelings influences our actions" - Theodore TreveilFollow it below:Thanks for listeningFree Audible book sign up:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Audible-Membership/dp/B00OPA2XFG?actionCode=AMN30DFT1Bk06604291990WX&tag=are86-21Best book on Mindset by Carol Dweck: Mindset https://amzn.to/2QajMvZSupport the podcast: https://www.patreon.com/findyourvoiceLinks to me:Website: https://www.arendeu.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/aren.deu/Twitter: https://twitter.com/arendeuFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/aren.singhLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aren-deu-65443a4b/Podcast: https://www.findyourvoicepodcast.com YouTube: http://tiny.cc/51lx6yLinks to guest:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mohamed.abdulrahman.54540#JustDeuIt & #FindYourVoice[Music]welcome to an episode of find your voicea movement led by yours trulyAren do a guy who has overcomecrippling anxiety adversity anddifficulty like so many of you in lifewhose main goal now is to help youcombat your excuses take control of yourlife write your own story and mostimportantly find your voice so nowwithout further ado I welcome the hostof the show himself mr. Aren do what'sgoing on people yes that is correct myname is Aren and I am the host of theshowso today's interview was a fascinatinginterview it was I'd say certainly forme it was definitely a game-changer andthe reason I say that is because inhindsight there was so many moments whenI listened to it back where I kickedmyself I kicked myself for my poorpodcasting skills I kicked myselfbecause I never asked the right questionI kicked myself because I never acceptedsilence and I kind of rushed it becauseI was panicking about the recording andthe time and all of that stuff that youprobably don't think goes into a podcastNo one thing I will say is that I hopeyou find that in some way motivationalor inspiring because you do not have tobe perfect to start a podcast you do nothave to have all your ducks in a row soI kind of want you guys to take that onboard as well if there's something youtruly want to do just go out and do itgo ahead and do it pivot adjust and thengo forward again and that's what it'sall about but there's certainly times inthis interview and I'm definitely eagerto get him back for a second podcastmaybe in about six to twelve months timewhere we really gonna hone in on some ofhis answers because I think theemotional intelligence that he showedfor being such a young man wasincredible and I hope you could takeaway some of the insights and some ofthe lessons that he displays andhopefully you can follow him on hisjourney as well because he is absolutelyright in his own story right now he hasfound his voice and there's gonna be alot of good things coming from thisindividual I'm very confident of thatand hopefully I say hopefully as I'vecrossed my fingers right now which youcan't see my podcast goeswe'll improve as well so without furtherado let's get this podcast over the wayhi good morning Theo how we doing todayand fantastic today really excited to beon this podcast really excited to haveyou just for the listeners who arelistening me and Theo we exchanged a fewmessages via I think it was Facebookinitially and just hearing a summary ofhis story was I was quite amazed to behonest it was so interesting it wasalmost like a film created and then tofind out your age as well I think thelisteners are in for a treat so we'rejust quickly I just want to get yourfull name so it's Theodore travell isthat correct yes yes Theodore Wong okayfantastic so so that's the name you'reall gonna look out for so we're gonnaliterally start this for the listenersat home just to kind of get to know youa little bit so if you wouldn't mind ifyou could just please explain how youprogress through life and ended up whereyou are similar to kind of the story youtold me well it's been quite afascinating journey and it's a journeythat I have never anticipated it willtake me where I am today so it was onlyquite a few years ago when I came acrossnetwork marketing from a friend I'vealways been the passionate type and theenthusiastic type even when my life wascompletely the other way aroundI've always felt a sense of I want tohelp people I want to serve people Iwant to do more for people and this wasmy why and this driver was was what wasguiding me through a lot of challengesand obstacles in life and so what hashappened was this drive that I had thispassion that I had it took me from alife of crime a life of drug a life of alot of negativity and it brought me intopositivity but just when I thought myjourney was beautiful and it ended soperfectly this was when I was reallytested and this was when I was reallychallenged so my parents they were froma very religious background and they'refrom a very cultural background andpersonal development wasn't somethingthat they really entirely got orunderstood so I was going through thismental transformation there's spiritualtransformation and emotionaltransformation and they started the theystarted becoming more alien to me and Istarted to become moreinto them and this trip into bought mefrom network marketing into wanting tostart my own business coaching andserving people and as this progressed onone mindset just constantly justcontinue changing changing changingchanging and then came a point where Istarted to really question my identitythe person that my parents have broughtme up to believe I was the religion Iwas brought up in the name that I wasbrought up in I just challengedeverything because I just thought Icould not be a hundred and twentypercent myself as I am beingindoctrinated with other people'sbeliefs and volumes and rulesso first came okay I'm reallyparticularly believe in this religionand I don't really think it's a religionfor me to be following and that was onething that I've let go off and then camemy name and then came he just everybelief every rules that my parents haveever brought me up on I just questionedtheir one at a time and the ones that Ilike yes I okay you know there's acompromise I can make that but the onesthat I thought was absolutely no thiswas not going to serve me on my journeythis wasn't going to help me create areality that I want to create impactlives how I want to impact are not letgo of them and this was quite a shock tomy parents because you know if someoneraises you want to be a certain way andyou want entirely the opposite way it'sa pan interrupts it's an interruptionmark so they were just very shockedemotionally shocked and if just shockedeven it just even affected their healthto the point they had to go to hospitaland you know we raised our son this wayand now he's telling us he's entirely adifferent way and they couldn't reallyaccept it they couldn't really tolerateand soon enough I found myself outsideon the street homeless for three monthswith nothing but just faith nothing butbelief and nothing but vision that youknow I was going to overcome this I wasgoing to continue believing and continuehaving faith and continue going onforward no matter what anyone says nomatter what anyone does and no matterwhat anyone throws at me this is what Iam about this is my vision this is mypurpose Ireally believing it and I'm willing tomake any sacrifice to run with it andsee it till the end Wow just in thatshort little bit what you just saidthere there's so many nuggets ofinformation that I think I just want toquickly point out for the listeners ifyou don't mind firstly your emotionalintelligence could you just let everyoneknow how old you are23 23 okay so anyone listening to thisthis guy is 23 now if you're anythinglike me at the age of 23 I had nowherenear the level of emotional intelligencethat you you've just displayed there anda couple of things you've you've justpointed out there so religion obviouslyI'm not here to talk about religion it'snot what this podcast is about but mypersonal opinion is that obviouslypeople need something to believe in sowhether they choose religion or not onething you managed to find in that bitwhich I just kind of highlighted I madea note of list when you were homelessfor three months which we will elaborateon shortly if that's okay with yourselfis you had the belief in something andthat's something I believe is yourselfis that is that right would you wouldyou agree with definitely a hundredpercent and the reason why was becausewhen I was first homeless I was lookinginto some false or some energy and somecreator outside of me and now again likeyou said I'm not here to talk aboutreligion or any of that or cover any ofthat however the other part of when Iwas homeless so for the other two fromthe second month and the third month Istarted believing more in myself I'munderstanding that I had the resources Ihad the tools and I was forced withinmyself Wow Wow just just there as well Imean for anyone that follows selfdevelopment personal developmentresourcefulness I think Tony Robbinshe's probably the Guru of personaldevelopment that's something he speaksabout and I'll put my hand on my heartand be honest here I'm 32 now and onlyrecently have I understood the power ofthis sauce fulness which you'redemonstrating at such an early age isservedI'm excited me I'm actually exciting orwhat you're going to bring to the futureI think because you've got real-lifeexperiences as well that I'm sure manypeople are going through or may gothrough that hopefully they canobviously resonate with your story likeI said after free month of experience inhomelessness it was just the mostpowerful period of my life and why I saybecause I've been indevelopment for three years it was onlywithin just a short period of threemonths that I had to condense everythingreally put it into practicality and soat first when I was homeless it was Iwas just so self-destructive I startedmy old habit of smoking I had a veryquick mentality I had a very wise Godagainst me kind of mentality but thenlater on and it's crazy like it's crazylater on in the second third month Ijust started meditating more and thiswas when I was literally when I had noidea where I was going to sleep or wherewould wind up and I always winded upeither in hostels or strangest placesbut I just I just had no more fear I wasjust meditate and I was really connectedI was really like this is going to turnout as it's meant to turn out and Ibelieve everything happens for us andnot to us and now after free month Imanaged to find my own sharedaccommodation and from there always justgoing on to building my dream which I'mcurrently right now in Wowoh haha I'm actually getting goosebumpslistening to this is it's fascinatingjust emulation to the drugs so I've hadexperience of family members using drugsa lot of alcohol abuse especially couldyou elaborate a little bit on that wasthat a dark period or was it justrecreational it was a very dark periodbecause when I was taking drug it wasalso a period of my life or time where Ifelt suicidal okay I felt like I justwant to kill myself but I didn't havethe courage or the determination to gothrough with it so I thought what otherway can I you know slowly in my life andI slowly and my dream cannot slowly justend all these pain away and you knowit's very it was very II it's very easyfor me to judge myself and be like ohthat was a very bad action for me to doin but the reality is I knew at thattime when I was taking drug I was doingwhat I was doing to the best of myknowledge and so therefore I always sayyou do better when you know better andthat was what I knew at the time andthat's what I was using at the time torelieve my pain but I felt like it was avery important period of my life to Ineeded to experience that and to gothrough that in order to be where I amtoday life is all about balance andduality you know you don't knowif you don't know good if you don't knowbad so you don't know a terribleexperienceyou don't know a great experience unlessyou know a terrible experience so I'mgrateful I think you just touched onsomething fantastic there as long you dobetter when you know better and one ofthe traits that you've you've definitelyhighlighted in just this short amount oftime so far is a growth mindset and I'mnot sure how far your personaldevelopment goes but growth mindset wascertainly something for me that Isuppose it affected my ego initiallybecause we think we've got it allfigured out and you know having thatfixed mindset and you're demonstratinghere that you needed to know betterin such a short amount of time and youalso touched upon something how yourhabits was a congruent say for instancewith your vision but one thing I wouldpoint out and this is more for thelisteners as well is that just becauseyou do something I if you an extra sliceof cake or something for example itdoesn't necessarily make you a badperson that particular action I thinkthat's the problem with society we kindof beat ourselves down almostunnecessarily that's such a powerfulthing for you to say because I was onlysharing it on my social media friendsthe other day that look there's no suchthing as stupid peoplethere's only people that do stupidthings our actions should never defineus and this was a huge lesson that I hadto learn when I was homeless thatwhatever I'm doing right now andwhatever I'm experiencing right now itisn't me it shouldn't define me yes I amdoing this and I should just enjoy itwhile I'm doing it rather than feelguilty and beat myself up about itbut once I'm done let me beself-reflective let me say was thatreally a wise decision why was I reallydoing this what emotion what deep-rootedemotion is there into this and how can Iheal that and love that so I can moveall of my lives just give me a momentthere it's fantastic um I want to thisis more for myself my own curiosity herejust one day of living she would call ithomeless or on the streets or whereveryou were living if you could justexplain that to people because I thinkin society nowadays we kind of we see itwe feel bad for a few seconds but wedon't actually know the extent to whatit takes from a person if that makessense so if you could just pour uponthat a little bit please okay well oneparticular and this was a period thiswas a particular day whereI just felt like I hit rock like one andthat was where now when I went to thatnight I thought I had a place here tostay which I didn't and I only hadaround a pound or so on my debit cardliterally and my credit card I knew Iwasn't going to be able to book any roomand I know I'm going to be able to goanywhere so I thought okay where can Igo and it seems like Victoria Stationseems to be the spot for a lot ofhomeless people so I went to VictoriaStation and I was really tiredI was extremely exhausted bowels alsocold I was really cold so I couldn'tjust sleep anywhere because I needed tofind somewhere which I couldn't so I goon to Victoria Station I go in therewhere all the coaches are and I'm justpretending like I'm there sittingwaiting for a coach to arrive an hourhas went by two hours went by threehours went by and I thought okay I can'tdo this anymore so I found a big bannerand one of the places two big bannersand I put it together to hide myselfbecause there's a security guard therethat constantly checks around to see ifthere's any homeless people sleeping andthen she kicks them out so I found twobig banners and then I put them togetherto hide behind this corner and I wassleeping there I was cold but I couldn'tfeel my feet and it was really reallycold and this was a time to like can iare now sleeping on the floor I wasn'teven stealing you know anything I wasrock floor to myself is there any morerock bottom I can hit them this I haveno moneyI've asked all my friends if I couldstay over their place and nobody reallyhad you know has that opportunity to letme stay in a place and I'm here sleepingon the floor and this was a time where Iwas also working in peds Express so Ihad a jaw I was sleeping in VictoriaStation and I had a job at the same timeso the next day I had to go back to WestWestville Center to go to my job wearingthe same clothes sleeping in the sameclothes and doing everything in the sameclothes and my mentality was literallylike okay this is it I can do it is Idon't want to do this anymore I want toquit my job I just want to quiteverything I just want to quit my lifebut it was also a beautiful period oftime because and this is what I say guysvisualize visualize visualize this was aperiod of my time well sleepin on Victorstation I was sleeping on the floor Iwas called but I closed my eyes and Ijust visualized my future I just thoughtokay you know what maybe I may not beable to change my outside circumstancesand situations but I can most certainlychange out what I'm internallyprocessing him right now I do nottolerate any of this to internally be apart of me so I just closed my eyes Icould see myself standing on stagespeaking to people coaching clientsone-to-one be in a business doing whatit is that I'm passionate about and loveto do you know without any of theseobstacles becoming an obstacle and itwas so amazing because even at that timewhen the security god came and she foundand she was like get out she shouted atme I'm still okay with the house I cameto accept my reality knowing that thisone wasn't going to be my last andreality and I just got okay okay let mejust go along with this and let me justlook brighter for him yeah let me lookto the next day and then the next daycame I went to my friend and anopportunities just came networkmarketing came and a lot of things cameand my friend actually allowed me tostay over her place for a month so thisis the power of visualization WowI think I think you're a true exampleand this is why I really wanted to kindof get you on this podcast is that youliterally took control and you picked upthat pen and you started writing yourown story and this is kind of one of thethings that I always try and bring outof other people is that throughout lifewe kind of pigeon-holed into certainways for example do this because you'regood at it what you've kind of done isyou've sat back and you thought hold ona second Who am I who is theall andyou've picked up that pen and even we'reprobably a lot of people because I'lltell you somethingI mean I'm I can't handle any sort ofcold people that normally I'm constantlygot a hoodie on and I'm struggling so tohave that resilience and still have thevisualization like you said visualizevisualize visualize to believe that oneday you will achieve what you're doingand now I know looking at your story nowyou're there and that's fantastic so Idon't want to give too much away to thelisteners because I'd rather hear itfrom yourself but what you're whatyou've said there what you visualizedthere is kind of what you doing nowisn't it so if you could just give us aday in the life of the or now pleasewell I believe right now I wear on mylife it's ever-growing it'sever-evolving but it's goingexactly in the right direction it'smeant to go out so alive for me today isjust I'm currently running programs andcourses 21-day programs and coursesteaching people exactly the step to stepthat I used when I was homeless and whenI didn't have a place and even when Iwas going through my struggle and how Iovercame that mentally because I reallybelieve it's our internal wall thatcreates our external world and whateverwe are able to conceive within us we'reable to create outside of us so we onlyhave a lot of 21 day programs right nowthat I'm doing and I've just actuallystarted running a mastermind group onlyquite a few days ago called Titansmastermind creating leaders that areheart centered and that really want togo and travel and inspire people tobecome a more heart centered and tobecoming more authentic and genuine intheir work in their field of workwhatever that work may be and you knowdoing these podcasts being able to sharemy story and being able to be invited tospeak in on stage so I'm really reallygrateful and I never take thisopportunity for granted because I knowwithin me I have experienced a lot andI've learnt a lot and now I feel it's myresponsibility and duty to go out thereand to share with other people in orderfor them to unlock their potential andgift and create a reality that isbeautiful for them that is fantastic sofor anyone listening you've just heardtheir and obviously at the end of theshow we'll give you direct access toTheo but there's a there's programs outthere as masterminds but what I alwaystry and shy people away from is not justgoing on the internet and looking atsomeone who's paid a couple of thousandpounds for a Facebook ad and he'sdressed up in a nice smart shirt whatI'm trying to find throughout thispodcast as well myself he's authenticgenuine people like Theo here who'swho's actually been there who canactually tell you listen this is exactlywhat you need this is the blueprint so Iurge anyone who's in that position toreach out and can I be honest there andI've done that I've tried I've tried thewhole because when I first started thisit's very easy to get into the idea thatwe need to wear suit we need to sound acertain way we need to look a certainway we need to be a certain way in orderfor us to be successful and that's why Isay yeah my personal growthand your preneur journey really startedthis shit because the past two years itwas exactly the same way I used to lookat people in suits and I used to thinkokay let me wear soon let me cook youwhat they're saying let me do whatthey're doing and letting you go outthere and you're getting a client andthen I realized people really just buyinto hearts they don't buy like yesimage may play a contribution and makeplay a little factor but really andtruly people buy into hearts absolutelyso that's what I'm really about in mymission I'm not here to create 21stcentury business people I'm here tocreate 21st century heart centeredpeople I love that I love that messageand I appreciate your honesty there aswell and showing how you thought aboutit initially so I've got I've got nodoubt and I'm sure people listening tothis have no doubt that you will achieveall of this and create some amazingpeople well I say create I thinkeveryone's already got it in themselvesyou'll help them bring it out or supposeso from the moment you wake up in themorning are there other things or habitsthat people could say copy for exampleto kind of get that right mindset sowe've had guests previously who follow amiracle morning or we have certainpeople who anchor themselves to the gymor a long run meditation I mean I knowyou briefly touched on meditationearlier if you could just give a coupleof key things that you make sure thatyou get done in your day in order tokeep you moving forward before I sharethat can I share something absolutely soI'm gonna be sharing what I do in everysingle day regularly in my morninghowever as you listen to this really andtruly what I want is for you to findwhat suits you what really resonateswith you and what really connects withyou it's not I might suggest a lot ofthings like share I'm gonna be sharingright now but you find what suits andconnects with you because I've triedcooking in many other people's routineand you know on a superficial level Iwas starting to feel the difference buton a deeper level I still knew it wasn'treally connecting with me and it wasn'treally making a lasting transformationand ultimately that's what you should beseeking for isn't a temporarytransformation it's a lastingtransformation sustainability yeah sofor me I tried the morning routinemorning miracle routine and only a weekago I actually spot twoto go stop so what my morning routineright now really consists of is and it'sjust so simple but I actually reallyfeel the difference when I don't do itwhen I do do it which is I do one hourmeditation but these meditations areactually split into frees one meditationis for forgiveness and love so anyonethat I've been holding on to that I feellike I can't forgive just use that timeto forgive them and to let go of themand just send them as much love aspossible but also send a lot of planningand send forgiveness to the planet and Ifeel like as I do that because as I dothat I just release whatever needs to bereleased within me every single day is anew day every single day is a newchapter so for me it's an absolute thatI'm not taking whatever happenedyesterday or two years ago three yearsago even three months ago into mypresent life into my present moment soforgiveness and love is my first selfmeditation the other second set ofmeditation is visualization what do Iwant my day to be like feel like what doI want to accomplish today and I justvisualize it so vividly I don't mean ona superficial level like hey I'm gonnamake a thousand a thousand a thousandpounds I mean really coming from a placewhere I know I'm I am right now I knowI've got the resources and tools inorder to make this a real day and mylast set of meditation is reallygratitude what am i grateful for I lovea quote that says here as you go on topursuing what it is that you want topursue don't forget to be grateful forwhat you have today so my finalmeditation is just great gratitudegratitude not even just for the greatthings in life but also for the thingsthat I have heard for the things thatkind of taught me a lesson because likeI said I wouldn't know joy had I notknown pain so I just take it all in asone and I'm just so grateful for andthen after that when I finish all that Ido yoga I'm half an hour of yoga reallyconnect with my breathing because mygrieving is navigating me through lifebuddies navigate through life and mylast thing I do is just join in it sowriting down what the experience waslike in terms of my meditation my yogawhat I am what I'm gonna enjoy about orwhat I enjoyed about yesterday were I'mgonna enjoy about today and justanything journaling anything tostructure my thoughts to structure mymind because you know we have twelvethousand to seventhousand thoughts a day so if we're notable to structure a piece of paper we'regoing to be confused about what it isthat we want from our life we're goingto be confused in where it is what we'regoing and we're gonna make a veryindecisive decision Wow okay so just torecap on that then so we've got the ourmeditation which is looking atforgiveness in love they move up thevisualization on a deeper level and thengratitude followed by yoga journaling aswell okay fantastic and it's a greatpoint that you just said actually therebecause and I should have picked this upmyself was not to just copycat someoneelse because I've done it I've had allthese routines and I've sinned likesuccess for entrepreneurs that maybe IHoward in high esteem and I've been likeokay if you can do this I can do thisbut then you've got to look at your ownlife and it's got to be sustainable foryour own life so if you're if you'rewaking up at par 4 for example or the 4a.m. club but then you're half asleep by12 o'clock it's not really sustainable Ithink that's a great point that peopleshould find their own stuff but I wouldcertainly recommend I mean most of thestuff you mentioned there the greatleaders of the world all sort ofimplement in their day so thank you forsharing that I appreciate it so we'vetouched briefly on your past and I thinkadversity comes as one of the firstwords when we think about your strugglesand how you've got to where you've gotto in this particular time if we canjust sideline the homelessness just fora second and if you could just point outone other particular time where you facegreat adversity but you perseveredthrough it and what I want you to do isif you if you wouldn't mind just take afew seconds to really try and putyourself back in that moment just tokind of give the listeners some realtrue authentic feeling of what it waslike and then how you got through it andthen obviously we can move on and seewhat lessons you learn from that and youknow as you ask that question now I feelreally connected to my my emotionbecause the reason being is I want toshare a quote with you that I cameacross which is so powerful until thisday I live by this quote it's aphilosophy it's a way of life for mewhich is I am not who I think I am I amnot who we think I am who I think youthink I am and so for me it's we we liveour whole life through other people'slenses other people's perceptionyou know it's like really how much ofwho we are is it really who we are andso for me the greatest adversity I guessI faced was when I was in that period oftime where I just thought okay you knowI can quit all this and this was when Iwas at my friend's place you know shewas allowing me to live with her for amonth and then now I had to go out thereand I had to find my own place and Ijust fought can't do this I really can'tdo this what on earth was I thinkingyou know really coming on my truth I'mreally living in my truth I'm still akid I still won't know what the hell I'mdoing I'm still young and I felt at thatperiod of time I just felt like I couldjump off a train track and I felt like Icouldn't care less that was when I wasunder I was on the ground and I thoughtlet me just jump off there as you canclearly see the pattern when I washomeless there was a lot of times I feltsuicidal a lot it wasn't just once itwas quite intense quite a time so thatwas my greatest adversity it was reallyI knew what I wanted to do I knew whereI was going with this but then my egojust started coming out of nowhere andstarted challenging that and this iswhat I'm going to tell you when you havethe courage and the determination andthe faith to go out there and to pursuewhat it is that you believe in it's noteven what other people are telling youthat is the greatest challenge is whatyou're telling yourself you know thatdull part of you that that self and Ican't do it I'm not good enough andreally intuitive what you need areShort's office where did this come fromit didn't come from you it must havecome from somewhere else because reallyand truly we are light we are love weare all that is good you know we are allthat is courage and faith and otherwisehumanity wouldn't be out where it istoday so anytime that I was experiencingthat I just asked myself is this reallymy voice or is this just the voices ofpeople outside of me or the naysayersand so there's a great quote that EricThomas once says if the enemy withincan't attack the enemy outside could doyou know how so that was my greatestadversity it was my own soft or my ownown own disbelief but I overcame that Iloved that is this really my voice and Ithink so often all our limiting beliefsthroughout life is mainly is peopleteachers it could be your parents itcould be your friends your family yourpeers and I'm guilty of it myself to behonest I think I am where I am now in amuch better place but the last seveneight years with just me followingaround what other people wanted from meI suppose and trying to trying to pleaseother people I suppose and that's kindof the world we live in especially withsocial media being so so prevalent ineveryone's daily life that you're almosttrying to keep up with the Jonesesyou're almost trying to have a highlightreel as opposed to writing your ownstory if that makes sense and you knowwhat the hard part about that all is iswe can try to lie to ourselves and thisis a great insight that was given to melet's just say for example right nowfear is bigger than your dream let'sjust say that let's just say you knowyou you know it is that you want to dobut you're just too scared to do it soyou'll just give away you will just giveit away and you'll be like no I'm notgonna pursue this I'd rather stick to mycomfortable life a year from now you maynot experience the difference two yearsfrom now you may not experience thedifference three years maybe not butultimately there will come a time wherethat voice what if comes and I reallybelieve resistance then turns intophysical illness so that means that youhave a lot of people that are successfulthat have accomplished so much in lifeyet they're sick they're spirituallysick they're mentally sick they'reemotional in you're sick they're notfulfilled they're not content they knowthe art they know the mechanic tosuccess but they don't know the art offulfillment they're not experienced inthat so I always say like you know whatyou can risk ityou can try and live all comfortable asyou want but how long is it really gonnalast and how deep is it really and Ibelieve a lot of our successes and a lotof the happiness that comes from oursuccesses is very superficialfor me what I'm interested in is reallycreating a lasting fulfillment andhappiness in my life that comes fromwithin my soul not just for meaccomplish and achieving mechanicsuccess based things I love the answerbecause I had a debate with somebodyabout this previously so I'm not gonnaspeak about myself too much here but oneof the things my mom who's like my bestfriend always taught me was always aboutgiving and like the importance of beinggrateful and just helping as many peopleas possible and I remember as a childwhilst a child was about 15 I got myjob and I was working as a salesassistant and I had something like 42pounds or something I think it was andstraightaway I went home and this waswithout any sort of guidance or anythingI and not many people know this and Isponsored a child straightaway and I andI donated the about four pounds to likeWaterAid and I think it was cancer Ididn't have much we come from humblebeginnings and throughout my life I'vealways whatever I've had I've tried togive as much as I possibly can and thereason I say this is because youmentioned something there about thesuperficial part and you mentioned aboutfulfillment because I believe there'stwo different types of people on a macrolevel and what I believe is you havepeople who genuinely just have a desireto help people and then you have peoplewho achieve all this amazing successfeel somewhat unfulfilled feel unhappyand then what they do is in return startdoing charities getting a sense offulfillment now I'm not here to sayone's right and one's wrong and one'sbetter than the other because I believeanyone who helps anyone in any way isdoing a great service but I can trulysee within you for somebody who's beenat the bottom who's still there with youknow trying to be positive a positivebeacon to the world you've got thatfirst trait you're the person who'salways wanted to help you're not theperson who's I when I when I make amillion pounds and I've got the car inthe house then maybe I'll take a bit oftime at and it's like my friend saysthough my personal development is ourpersonal development the work that Ileave today will be left to futuregenerations yeah so that's why it's evenmore important that you know at the endof the day yes enjoy life yes you knowmake the most of it but make sure thatif you're going to leave this planetneither we've leave it in a great wayleave it in a way that's so positivethat future generations where they cometo come alive and grow up here they canpick it up from somewhere positive I'msure the listeners I get in plenty ofnuggets see I'd even recommend pause inthis just to kind of take in some of thesome of the stuff you say and there'ssome fantastic quotes there as well byThomas somebody who I have a lot ofadmiration for as well deal we're gonnawe're gonna just switch gears a littlebit here I wanna I want to ask you andagain I mean I don't really need to saythis to you because you're very wellthought out but if you could just tellme what your biggest fear is not notliving up to my full potential and giftlet me share a story with you actuallyand this is what really scares me when Iwas born I was born and this was 1995and I was a civil war going on and youknow there were a lot of soldiers firinga.k rifles and ask where you were bornsorry to Tamale so there were they werefiring aka rifles and there was onebullet could have potentially really hitme in the head and I could have died andas a child so I really I don't take mylife for grantedI believe every single day is a miracleand my biggest fear is not living up tothat miracle and that opportunity andchance that has been given to me Wowsee that's a remarkable story and it'ssomething that I even now I take I'm sograteful of my circumstances when I wasborn and I'm sure everyone listening tothis as well never came from such a sucha difficult start it was almost like theodds were against you from the start butyou kept persevering so I'm confidentthat you will destroy that fear shall wesay and you will live up to yourpotential and if I can help in any wayor if anyone listening to this can helpin any way then certainly reach out toTheo thank you for that I appreciate itwe've kind of spoken obviously aboutyour wire your inspiration yourmotivation and I suppose I don't want tokind of repeat the same question againbut do you have days where you justdon't feel like doing anything and Iwant you to be completely honest herebecause yes we will ever why we all wantto change our parents lives our wiveslives our partners lives we have a goalto help serve people let them writetheir own story let them find theirvoice and all of that stuff but in thosemoments where you're not feeling quiteup to it because I know it happens to meand I'm pretty confident it happens to99% of the people out there otherwisethey're lying so when it does happen toyou what keeps you going on that day Iwould say it would be alive for me tosay no I have experience and this is noquestion I was just asked me today wasalso asked to me last night and I wouldsay yes I have a lot of days where Idon't want to wake up out of bed and Idon't want to do anything and I justwant to quit and I just want to give upand I just want to say you know what letme justaround and do absolutely nothing becauseit's challenging it's like first yourpersonal growth is the most remarkablethe most exciting the most fun thing butat the same time is the most challengingthing because what it really brings outis triggers what it really brings out isa lot of part of you that you've beenneglecting and suppressing so for medays there where I actually start toexperience these triggers which was likethree days ago where I was supposed togo to this event but I just felt like Idon't want to go to it I don't want towake up our bed I just want to stay inbed I just wanted to be tucked under myduvet and I just want to sleep and whatreally you know I don't push thatfeeling and I don't resist that feelingI embrace it because like I said everyemotion that is a deep-rooted reason towhy we're feeling what we're feelingthere is a reason behind every feelingso the way I motivate myself is I try toget to the 80 grit T of why I'm feelingthat way what is this really about itisn't about the fact that it's just coldand I just don't want to go out there'sa real deep root very concerning reasonwhy and I get into that why and Iexplore every possibility I question inevery way so that therefore is got noway of taking over me because you knowour thought creates our feeling and ourfeeling influences our action so I justask as many questions about this feelingas possible I try to really cover itfrom all aspect of like you know acylinder and soon enough is that oh okaythat's why that's why I'm feeling thisway and then when I accept and Iacknowledge it I just think to myselfyou know what this is my thought this ismy feeling but it doesn't have to be andsomething that I act upon it you know Iget to choose how I want to respond tothis so once I can really get into whyI'm feeling the way I'm feeling and thenI choose to respond and the way I chooseto respond is I just love it Iacknowledge is that and I say to myselfyou know what I can rather act on thisbut I know I'm gonna regret it later onI could just choose what feels hardright now but ultimately later on I'mgonna be very thankful and grateful forit so that's how I motivate myself Idissect and you're very very self awarein order to be able to kind of separatethose things the reason I asked that aswell is becausewhen I went on my entrepreneurialjourney when I used to have those days Iused to absolutely beat myself up and Iused to be like I'm a bad husband I'm abad businessman I used to just basicallylabel myself based on my mood that dayand then what one of the quotes I thinksuch a from a song and it says it's okaynot to be okay and I love that becauseyou can use that across all walks oflife but when I say that then I'd thenadopt a similar approach to yourselfokay so kay not to be okay today andmaybe I don't feel like working out forexample or going to a conference eventbut what I will do is understand whythat is happening and you hit the nailon the head there because really trulyunderstanding the deeper reason behindwhy you do what you do if you can masterthat then you can almost I suppose nexttime it comes handle it much betterwould you agree with that it is it isbut this is the biggest problem thebiggest problem is people are very muchfocused on outside in rather than insideout because you know we can't resistinstant gratification so we can't resistinstant result but what people need toreally understand is that it's when youwork from within you take ten stepforward rather than just taking one stepforward so yeah it really really is Ithink it's just you have to reallyunderstand why you're not feelingmotivated when you're not me feelingmotivate don't try to suppress and I'mforce yourself to do something that youdon't want to do if you don't feel likeyou're going for a run today don't gofor a run today then you know but thenpeople is that you've gotta push you'vegotta push you've gotta push there'swhat happens when you push the sameproblem repeatedly shows up in your lifeagain and again and again and today itmay be very subtle but tomorrow's gonnabe very big and very overwhelming andyou'll find it even harder to overcomeit okay guys you've heard the buzzer gooff and that means it's the most funpart of the show so what I'm gonna bedoing is putting Theo through his pacesand I'm gonna set the timer for 60seconds and I'm gonna be asking him asmany questions as possibleTheo you've got no time to think I wantyour first answer okay okay start inthree two oneokay Theo the ability to fly or beinvisible fly money or fame fameNetflix our YouTubeclicks calling or texting calling Cokeor Pepsi coke would you rather know howyou would die or when you were dying howI would die Christmas or birthdaysChristmas tea or coffee tea summer orwinter summer your favorite place in thewhole wide worldOh Brazil Brazil Brazil Brazil would youknow how to speak all the languages inthe world will be able to speak toanimals and animals if you could abolishone thing in the world what would it begreed Facebook or LinkedIn Facebook readminds or predict the future read mindscats or dogs cats have you ever been ina fightyes did you win no last question yourfavorite movie star Hugh named fromWolverine Hugh Jackman yeah Hugh Jackmanokay fantastic brilliant okay that'stime just that was very interesting Ijust thought I'd just mix it up a littlebit the Hugh Jackman thing I'm not sureif you've sinned he's recent from thegreatest showmen um I wonder what sure Ihaven't seen about how the great thingsabout yeah well it's the musical soinitially I was kind of like under fencewith it I don't know about you but I'mquite an emotional guy saying say Joeand I remember watching that and I waswatching it with the wife and likethere's quite a few scenes that werereally kind of touching and I thinkespecially with your story as wellbecause this without giving too muchaway it's a guy with a dream he's gothis partner supporting him and he's justgoing through all these obstacles andadversities to kind of get to where hewants to get to you know the songs arepowerful but it's a brilliant movie andespecially if you're a fan of him somake sure you check that one out buddydefinitely thank you I only think thefriends between him and me is how I needto find my partner which I'm sure youall sure they'll come running in okay sowe've got two more questions left thenext question is about reflectionobviously hindsight's a wonderful thingand upon reflection we can always thinkof ways to get to where we are currentlyquicker do the things we're currentlydoing earlier or perhaps just movetowards that goals that bigbut I guess the journey also teaches usa lot as well and sometimes I supposeyou could say everything happens for areason so what I want to know is if youcould go back in time to one particularmoment where you really struggled andsuffered with adversity and just whispersomething in your ear knowing what youknow now what would that be it was whenI came back from Slovenia and to go tomy parents house and to finally reallylay out the balls for them so to tellthem okay this is who I am and this iswho I've become and this is my desiresand these are my visions and you know itdoesn't really resonate and connect withyou so what I would have told myselfwhen I was when I made that decision wasthat rather than doing it in a verydefensive way do it in a very loving waybecause a very beautiful quote I reallyenjoy unlike is that love and honestycan penetrate through anything in lifeparticularly when it comes to those hardconversations that you were having withyour family or your friends if you do sowith hate intent or doubt or anger orfrustration or irritation or even asense of fire within you you know it'llnever turn out exactly the way it canpossibly turn out but if you do it froma place of love and honesty no matterhow how great the mistake or how greator how hard the conversation is if youdo it from a place of like I'm justgonna do this in a very loving way andI'm gonna do this in a very honest wayI'm sure things would have turned out abit differently so that's what I willthat's what I would have told myself isas you're having that conversation it'sokay to speaking your truth continuedoing that but change the intent a bitdo it from a place of love and not froma place of doubt anger frustration orirritation love and honesty canpenetrate through anything in lifeokay so sadly we're at the last questionnow if if we fast forward and we move up150 years in time and sadly sciencefails to save us or if there wassomebody who wrote a book about theodoretravel and it's sitting there and thensomebody else walks over and picks upthat bookand realizes there's too many pages toread here do I really want to read thisso instead they turn it over and theylook at the blurb in the back what doesthat blurb tell him so if there was abook what would what it will tell themis who was I really that's what he willtell them the most enjoyable andbeautiful part about the life I'm livingright nowis every single day I'm a differentperson and it's not to say oh the personI am today is you know fake andsomewhere tomorrow person's gonna bereal but every single day I get theopportunity to unravel a part of methat's always being there but it's justbeing shy it's being scared away alwaysbeen frightened away so who was Theodorebecause like I said I changed my name myname used to be Mohammad and today myname is Theodore and I can change thattomorrow so it's just who was I reallyWho am I reallyand I think the person that picks upthat book and see that I wanted toexcite as they're reading that I wantthem to challenge themselves and askthemselves so if this person you knowwas able to change his name and is ableevery single day he's evolving whatabout me Who am I and that is the mostpowerful question because once you canhave that question which I believe it'san ongoing journeyyou're not gonna fully a hundred percenthack it you know you want to be overfifty percent at least two beautiful itreally is a beautiful beautiful thing tounderstand who you really are and juston the sidelines so Who am I I reallybelieve the way to summarize Who I am isjust divine I love that I love that I'msure they'll pick up the book and readall of it if you said that absolutelyfantastic my friend okay so for anyonelistening that now I'm sure you canagree that was an unbelievable story andone that is still being written and Ithink they all hit the nail on the headthere where he explained that it's anongoing journey and that's the same forall of us even myself even as I gothrough the process of trying to becomea podcaster I'm still learning and evenmy self development in other aspects butthey always certainly demonstratedamazing traits and his story iscertainly one that I urge all of you toreach out and speak to him about so whatI'm gonna do is I'm gonna give Thiel achance now to basically let us know theone best place where you can find himthank you so muchby the way this has been such aprivilege and what you're doing isabsolutely incredible thank you so muchthank youso like I said right now I'm actuallyworking an exciting exciting excitingnew project which is called the Titansmastermind and my vision and passion forquite a while has always been to createa community where we can all supportempower inspire each other withauthenticity integrity love and honestyand just just about anything that ispositive and heart centered so I'vequite recently started this few days agoand already right now I've got six orseven members but by next Jim and that'swhy I don't plan on doing this alone Iplan on touching as many lives aspossible so that therefore they cancreate a ripple effect by next year Iwonder I want that to reach 50 K so 50 Kmembers were all supporting each other'sbusiness were all supporting each otherin personal life professional life soit's cool Titans among us Titansmastermind and it's really about helpingyou become the Titan of your life owningyour life and really running your lifeas you want it to join in you know justand follow me on Facebook and drop me amessage and I will invite you into thegroup yeah it's a very safe place as avery comfortable place it's not justit's not all about just money motivationit has so much more to do with that soany support you need any assistance youneed whether it is business whether it'syour life all there iswhatever struggle you're going throughcome and come along and join it becausethis is the one thing that I wish I hadthree years ago when I was in thebeginning of my personal growth journeyyou know being able to be in anenvironment where I wasn't just kind ofbeing superficially honest I was beingreally honest some people were takingthat in that would they were absorbingit in there with digesting in and theyjust had so much excitement into helpingme so I wish I had that and so today Ihad the opportunity to create that sowhy not so if you are and whateverwherever you are in your journey whetheryou feel like you're doing great and youdon't be there whether you're in themiddle whether you're in the beginning Ibelieve we all need support so comealong join in let's have fun and let'screate 2019 to become an awesome yearthey are is that free to access foranyone in the public yeah it's a freeattack so yeah so it's a closed groupthat's why I message me forso I can invite what number is free yeahwhat I will do is I'll put all the oddsdetails in the show notes as well so youcan direct message him personally I justwant to say thank you to Thiel fortaking time out of his day today andsharing his fantastic story I'm surewe're all gonna hear and see his name alot more I mean this guy is like wisebeyond his years he's he's so young he'sdoing incredible things so I know mynext job after this call is to get onthat Facebook group as well so Theo ifyou wouldn't mind adding me in as wellplease definitely I'd appreciate thatbuddy and for everyone else at homethanks for listening thank you so muchand remember this podcast is absolutelyfree so all we ask in return is for youto share this with a friend and drop usa five star review over on iTunes havean awesome day See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

In this episode, we talk about our dads; our thoughts about them and how they have influenced us. I WOULD say it was as easy as that, but we got side-tracked with all of the many different tangents we went on throughout. This episode was originally released on YouTube on June 17, 2014.

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Redefined: TeachingMatthew 28:19-20 //  September 23, 2018I. Introduction:A. Someone coined a saying a number of years ago that still holds true today formuch of the North American Church: “The great omission of the GreatCommission is obedience!”1. The great oversight of the Great Commission, the great exclusion from theGreat Commission that Jesus gave us, that which is neglected the most in theGreat Commission is obedience!• Turn in your Bibles toII. Matt 28:18A. Review the structure of this passage1. One main verb which is a command – make disciples2. Three participles that tell us how to do it – go, baptizing, teachingB. ReadC. Note at the start of v20 is the third of these ways by which we make disciples –teaching them.1. This is the instruction to those who have already become disciples orbelievers in Jesus Christ2. An ongoing process that will really last the rest of our lives of teaching andlearning depending which end of the discipleship process you are on.D. Now what is omitted so often is what we are to teach them.1. As I read commentaries on this verse I was amazed at how many of thememphasized the importance of teaching to fulfil the Great Commission andhow the church needs to be built around teaching.2. But the passage says more than that.a) Read 20a-b.b) Teaching them to observe, obey, keep, and act upon what they aretaught.3. Read one more time and watch for what we are to teach them to obey.a) Read leaving out “all that” and instead put in “what.” Is that what itsays?b) Now read it as the text isc) We are to teach them to obey, observe, keep, and act upon all that Jesuscommanded us.(1) Everything, not just the select few things that seem to be practicalto my life today!(2) He speaks to our beliefs, our thought lives, our values, our morals,our affections, our attitudes, our decisions, our words, our hurts,our habits, our money, our time, our attention, our sexuality, etc.E. Remember we learned last week that the very definition of the word discipledemands obedience1. Vines Dictionary said - “a disciple was not only a pupil, but an adherent,someone who binds themselves to observing or obeying what they learn!2. That means learning from Jesus and obeying His teachings about how to livelifeF. The great omission of the Great Commission is obedience1. Not just teaching them2. Not just teaching them to obey Jesus’ teachings3. But teaching them to obey all of Jesus’ teachings/commandsG. Now let me do a quick side bar here so no one is confused at this point. I am notdown talking or minimalizing the importance of teaching and studying God’sword.1. There are many passages in this book that tell us the benefits and life changesthat come to us when we read, study, memorize and meditate on this book.a) But disciples take it one-step further and apply it to their lives!2. And let me add this also – before you can obey what Jesus taught you have toread and study what He taught us!a) And it is not just the red letter words of Jesus but He also said in John 16that He had many more things to say to them, but they could not bearthem at that time, so He promised them that the Holy Spirit would comeguide them into all truthb) That was a promise for the inspiration of the entire New Testament thatcompletes the teachings of Jesus for us.c) And by the way the New Testament teaches us of the value of the OldTestament in our current days as followers of Jesus3. So to be able to obey Jesus it is important for us to spend time in this book, sowe can rightly divide just what God, Jesus, is saying to us and what He isexpecting of us and what we need to obey to be a properly functioningdisciple.• So as a disciple the key question we need to constantly be asking ourselves as westudy God’s word and need to be asking one another as we seek to grow as disciplesis:III. What is my next step of obedience?A. This is probably the most important question we need to constantly wrestle with ifwe want to be growing disciples. “What is my next step of obedience?”B. As I prayed about this sermon, I was wondering after teaching the truth how Iwould exhort MVC regarding this truth. There are many ways I could go with“obedience to God’s word” so I was not sure.1. What I did was start to consider how MVC is doing regarding obedience.What do we need right now regarding this passage?2. I realized that so many of us are at different places in our walk of obedienceto all of God’s word, so many of us need something different to keep usexcelling in our obedience to Christ.a) Some are doing well – no one is perfect in their obedience but some aredoing pretty good in ordering their life according to God’s wordb) Some want to obey Him in everything but they are caught by somestronghold of sin or the devil that has them enslaved to itc) Some are fearful to obey God because they are not sure what He woulddo if they really gave Him control of their money, relationships, habits orhurtsd) Some lack in faith to obey Him because they tried that before and it didnot turn out the way they hoped it would.e) Some struggle with obeying God because they are angry with Godfeeling like He let them down in the past by not giving them what theyhad hoped for.f) Some never have realized just how important it is to obey God; theythought they were doing well just by being saved and going to church afew times a month.g) Some even see obedience as legalism, rather than knowing it is a lovingresponse to God and the path to the best possible life we can have.C. The list can go on but one common theme came to me as I was considering thedifferent places we are at. That is no matter where you are at “obedience isachievable for you.” You do not have to be stuck or have to be plateaued, butrather your next step of obedience is possible because of Jesus and His grace!1. Yes, I did say because of His grace – grace is not the freedom to do whateveryou want because you are no longer under the law but rather grace is thepower to do what Jesus wants you to do!2. I do not know where you are stuck or plateaued, but even in the GreatCommission itself, Jesus promised His presence with you to carry outeverything He asks of us. Read v20bD. Obedience is possible not because you can do this if you try hard enough butrather because of what Jesus has done for you and is doing in you.1. Ezekiel 36:26a) This is the New Covenant that Jesus ratified with His blood when Hedied at the crossb) He not only promised to forgive sins and He not only promised toremove that old stubborn self-willed heart and put in a brand new heart,one that is tender, responsive and God-willed heartc) Then He says this: Read Ezek 36:27(1) It is now possible to obey God because His Spirit lives inside of usto cause us to walk in His ways(2) And the Spirit within us creates within in us a carefulness, acautiousness, an attentiveness to observe, and obey God’s words.2. Phil 2:13 – speaking in the context of obedience listen to what God says:a) Read v13b) God is at work inside of you and me as believers to do two thingsregarding obedience:(1) First, giving us the desire to obey Him and the will to obey Him(2) Second, God is working in us by His spirit to give us the ability toobey Him3. Hebrews 13:21a) Listen to this great promise. I call it the New Testament anointing.Anointing is simply God equipping His servants to do his will.b) Read4. Your next step of obedience is possible because of Jesus’ work for you at thecross and in His resurrection and Jesus’ work in you now by means of HisSpirit!5. So whatever your next step of obedience is, Jesus is your need.a) Whether that is for Him to show you what He wants from you becauseyou really do not know or to remove some obstacle in your life that isholding you back from obeying Him, or even the desire to want to dowhat God wants you to do rather than what you want to do, or theenablement to do what you could never do apart from HimSo in closing we want to remove the Great Omission of the Great Commission in ourlives and at MVC. We do not just want to be black belts in studying and understandingGod’s word but we also want to be black belts in obeying, applying, doing, keeping, andacting upon God’s Word6. So what is your next step of obedience?7. Turn to Jesus to know what that is! Turn to Jesus to remove any obstaclesthat would be holding you back, turn to Jesus to enable you to carry it out!8. Trust and obey for there is no other way to be happy in Jesus but to trust andobey!IV. Give two minutes of silence to consider before the Lord!

The second episode of How Was Your Week wherein Kelsey lists the many attributes of Harry Styles, while Ian talks about his social media war with a dog, making Kelsey very proud to marry him. Also this episode starts with a Les Mis song so I totally understand if you want to skip the first 15 second. I WOULD.

有些故事，彷如一早就知道 | 潇雨特辑 主播：潇雨每周一，三晚8点公众号首播 今天是女生节，也是潇雨的生日。从大四毕业到今天，从武汉到北京到怀化， 从《彷如一早就知道》 到 《一见钟情》 到 《种种可能》…一转眼，潇雨加入为你读英语美文4年了。 这个故事要从2014年3月说起，会计专业，大四即将毕业的潇雨向为你读英语美文投递了一封邮件，这个声音惊艳了永清和冯静的耳朵。在樱花盛开的武汉，潇雨录制了第一期节目《彷如一早就知道》，我们和潇雨的缘分，彷如一早就知道。 Like I Knew I Would彷如一早就知道作者：Crystal Heart I heard a songyesterday昨天我听到一首歌And it reminded meof you它让我想起了你I've heard it palya hundred times before虽然曾经听过一百遍But I thought ofyou and smiled但我想起你，笑了I wish that youwere here, or I was there多么希望我们不是天各一方I guess I miss you我想，我是想你的Like I knew Iwould彷如我一早就知道 I saw a little boytoday今天我看见一个小男孩And he reminded meof you他让我想起了你I've seen boysplay before today but虽然也见过小男孩们嬉笑玩闹He made me thinkof you and how you laughed但他让我想起了你，还有你的笑 I guess I miss you我想，我是想你的And later I wasreading back随后我回忆着To how things were往昔的日子And I was laughingthrough my tears at the thought of you一想起你,我的泪水里便透露出笑意How I wished thatyou were here, or I was there多么希望我们能够在一起And I was missingyou我想念你Like I knew Iwould彷如我一早就知道 And if I never seeyou again this side of forever假如在这永恒之门的另一面,我再也不能见到你Can I tell youthat I love you我还可以告诉你吗？——我爱你That I'll neverforget you我永远也不会忘记你Even though you'llforget me纵然你会忘了我And that's okay也无妨For when I thinkof you I always smile因我想起你时，我总会微笑Like I knew Iwould彷如我一早就知道 你相信一见钟情吗？人生总有许多巧合，两条平行线也可能会有交汇的一天。 2014年的4月底。潇雨在中南民族大学广播台的录音棚里录下了辛波斯卡的《一见钟情》，录节目的时候，潇雨可能想不到两年后会发生什么故事，但《一见钟情》为之后的故事悄悄埋下了美好的种子…. Love at First Sight一见钟情作者：辛波斯卡 They're bothconvinced他们彼此深信that a suddenpassion joined them.是瞬间迸发的热情让他们相遇。Such certainty isbeautiful,这样的笃定是美丽的，but uncertainty ismore beautiful still但变化无常更是美丽。 Since they'd nevermet before, they're sure既然从未见过面，所以他们确定that there'd beennothing between them.彼此并无任何瓜葛。But what's theword from the streets, staircases, hallways—但是听听自街道、楼梯、走廊传出的话语——perhaps they'vepassed each other a million times?他俩或许擦肩而过一百万次了吧？ I want to ask them我想问他们if they don't remember—是否记不得了——a moment face toface in some revolving door.在旋转门面对面那一刻？Perhaps a"sorry" muttered in a crowd?或者在人群中喃喃说出的「对不起」？A curt "wrongnumber" caught in the receiver?或者在听筒截获的唐突的「打错了」？But I know theanswer.然而我早知他们的答案。No, they don'tremember是的，他们记不得了。 They'd be amazedto hear他们会感到诧异，倘若得知that chance hasbeen toying with them缘分已玩弄他们now for years.多年。 Not quite readyyet时机尚未成熟to become theirdestiny,还不能成为他们命运，it pushed themclose, drove them apart,缘分将他们推近又驱离，it barred theirpath, stifling a laugh,阻挡他们的去路，憋住笑声and then leapedaside.然後闪到一边。 There were signsand signals,有一些迹象和信号存在，even if theycouldn't read them yet.即使他们尚无法解读。Perhaps threeyears ago也许在三年前or just lastTuesday又或者就在上个星期二a certain leaffluttered有某片叶子飘舞於from one shoulderto another?肩与肩之间？Something wasdropped and then picked up.有东西掉了又捡了起来？Who knows, maybethe ball that vanished into childhood's thicket?天晓得，也许是那个消失於童年灌木丛中的球？ There weredoorknobs and doorbells where one touch had covered another beforehand.还有已被触摸千百遍的门把和门铃。Suitcases checkedand standing side by side.检查完毕後并排放置的手提箱。One night,perhaps, the same dream,有一晚，也许做了同样的梦，grown hazy bymorning.到了早晨又都变得模糊。 Every beginning每个开始is only a sequel,after all,毕竟都只是续篇，and the book ofevents而充满情节的书本is always openhalfway through.总是从一半开始看起。 2016年4月的北京，同样在经历短暂的春天，也即将迎来炎热的夏天。潇雨从湖南来到北京，Wilson从成都来到北京，和永清，筱思度过了一个美好的清明假期。这是两年来潇雨和永清，筱思，Wilson的第一次见面，却像老朋友一样没有违和感。 从国家大剧院的音乐会开始，到火锅，再到自己买菜去永清家做饭，最后以长长的聊天结束。聊了工作、聊了节目，聊了又大又远的未来、也聊了又小又近的现实。《一见钟情》，注定了《种种可能》。 文字，音乐，图片非商业用途，版权归作者或版权方所有   ▎节目首发，背景音乐，图文资料，更多推送敬请关注微信公众号：为你读英语美文，ID：readenglishforyou 

I HEAR WE HAD A GOOD TIME, I HEAR I WAS A RIOT. I WOULD’VE LIKED ME A LOT LAST NIGHT Forty years I been a blurb-writer y’know? My father before me was a blurb-writer and his father before him. And he started the blurb-writers union and all – every blurb-writer worth their salt still talks in hush tones about the blurb riots of 1933. Wouldn’t have the rights we do today without my grandfather and his mates. It’s in the blood is what I’m saying. If you cut me, do I not blurb. Heh. But it’s a dying art. It’s dead to be honest. Got these new machines that can write a blurb in half the time, and no chance of a spelling mistake or a missed deadline. Oh sure they don’t read the same, but when the bosses see those bottom line figures, you think they care? And the readers hardly notice, that’s the real kicker. In too much of a hurry to get to the content. Click the link, access the content. Content, content content. Well what about conTEXT is what I say? What’s the point. You probably aren’t even reading this anyway. Oh well. Sorry grandpa…I’m trying. I’m trying to do you proud. Once more unto the breach… HA! A new SILENCE! and it’s only been a week? What is this – a regular schedule or something?? Gary Lactus & The Beast Must Die hold hands and do their merry aural dance for your ears only. Bit of Dadmin, some righteous Sponsorship, Gary’s Birthday and the Beast recounts his adventures in going VIRAL! Reviewniverse shenanigans ensue with talky-talks of Fence, the DC House of Horror special, Bob Godfrey, 2000AD, Indigo Prime, Revere, John Smith, Captain America, Generation Gone, Not Brand Echhh and more, dammnit so much more. Also features some live John Constantine-ing. I Reckymend features Paul Verhoeven’s brilliant Elle and the latest Adam Buxton Podcast. And that really is, my friends, the end. @silencepod @frasergeesin @thebeastmustdie @bobsymindless @kellykanayama silencepodcast@gmail.com You can support us using Patreon if you like.

Welcome to a brand new Episode of Congo Beats Radio mixed by @andrewmathersofficial! Enjoy the sounds of Congo Beats Radio 023! A new edition full with the hottest Afro, Drum, Tribal house and Latin tunes of the moment mixed by yours truly, Andrew Mathers! I Would like to Thanks Everybody on the support on my new Afro Remix of Nelly with Hot in Herre! Also my new track Jungula is now available on Beatport and Spotify! So be sure to Check them out! JUNGULA: http://bit.ly/JUNGULA HOT IN HERRE: http://bit.ly/HOTINHERRE For This Episode i got some tracks selected by: - Diozo - Corx & Louis Lee - Bryan Dalton - Gerald Henderson And many many more Send your promo's / demo's to: Demo@CongoBeatsRecords.com / www.CongoBeatsRecords.com FOLLOW ANDREW MATHERS:

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In true, classic Relatable’s fashion, the guys put out another ba-ba-ba-BANGER of an episode. Sing Song Sundee, Ball Shaving Boutique, ArtWalk and  even some Paul Wall? What it do baby? Find out on this week’s episode! Please like, share, subscribe and as always, Stay Relatable!   https://ia601504.us.archive.org/12/items/therelatablespodcast_gmail_92/92.mp3   Daft Punk – Doin’ It Right (ft. Panda … Continue reading Episode 92: I Would NEVER

If I offered you a magical elixir that would give you endless energy would you take it?  I WOULD!   Today I’m going to give you 11 elixirs of sorts.  Trying any one of these things will likely dramatically improve your daily energy – trying a few other them together might just be better than coffee.  Seriously.     Oh, and we’ll talk about coffee too!  Your coffee might actually be sucking your energy.  I say this as someone who loves my coffee, but is also acutely aware of its limits.   Cozy up and take some notes on this one – cause there are some golden tips in here that will get fired up and totally energized!    Links Mentioned: Sponsor: Aaptiv.com (use code SMA30 for a free 30 day trial) Sponsor: http://www.kindsnacks.com/sma (use this link to get 10 KIND Snacks for $10 + free shipping)  

【关注微信公众号：为你读英语美文，查看原文，垫乐，拓展资料】 【520特别回顾】第62期 IfOnly 如果能再爱一次 · 筱思 主播：筱思 坐标：北京 今天是5月20日，原本只是普通的一天，但因为“我爱你”，成为了表达爱的一天。 在这个充满爱的日子里，主播筱思要和你分享她最挚爱的电影If Only《如果能再爱一次》 愿我们一起，更加懂得用心和珍惜。 场景一神秘司机在送Ian去参加音乐会时，和Ian那段对话：——Ian：I can't seem to make her happy.——Driver: How could that you love someone somuch but not know...how?——Ian: How to love her?——Driver: So you Do love her?——Ian：Yes， I do, very much.——Driver：Yeah，I thought that's what really matters.——Ian：She's gonna away for two weeks and she wantedme to go with her.——Driver: What if she never come back?Picture it. You two say goodbye at the airport, she gets her on the plane, younever see her again. Could you live with that?——Ivan: No...no...I couldn't.——Driver：Now you know what to do. Appreciate her,appreciate what you have.Just love her.正是这番话让Ian第一次意识到自己内心对Samantha的爱。 Just love, 用心去爱，你会知道怎么做，你会知道TA感受得到。 场景二忘不了Samantha日记中写给Ian的那段深情告白，字字句句可爱女人心。“I've been warming on this song about me& Ian. I want to sing itto him before I go away, but I'm afraid it'll scarehim, so I bought him a jacket instead. They say there is always someone in arelationship who loves more. Oh God, I wish it wasn't me.”场景三当Ian终于意识到无论他怎么努力，都改变不了命运最终相同的结局。当他和Samantha一起待在山顶木屋中的时候，他终于意识到，他要失去她了。他强忍着悲伤的泪水，站在窗前，甚至不敢直视Samantha的眼睛。他对她说：“ Past does not matter, what matters is now,only now.”——I: Samantha, for some reason, you thoughtyou didn't have much left,I mean in your life. You have only one day left, whatwould you do?——S: It's an easy answer, and no brainier,I'll spend it with you.Just being together, kind like now, doing nothing.——I：Nothing else?——S：Closeness. Intense closeness. Reallysharing things of each other,silly things, difficult things. That's what I always wanted for us, if we gonnahave that, nothing could hurt us.——I：I love you. 场景四比起别的惊喜，没有什么比Ian为Samantha用心定制的手链更令人温暖了。——I：Close your eyes. Happy graduation.——S：Oh my God.——I: Some of the charms are old and some arenew. That's a musical note, a violin. This one is a flower, what is no sense ofmatter at all, exceptit was exquisite much like yourself. Let's see... thetrain that we took today.And... that's the Eiffel Tower that you've alwayswanted to see. And... this frying pan, cause you are the only person that Iknow that can actually do the flipping thing. And... this one's a heart... myheart... it's yours now. 场景五当Samantha最终在Ian的爱里克服恐惧与不自信，在毕业典礼音乐会上唱出那首只属于她和Ian的歌曲时，当她因为他的宠爱而光芒四射时，恰如歌名一般，Love will show you everything.如果我们相依相偎的时间只剩一天，请让我带你了解我心最深处的孤寂和无措，请让我带你去看这世上最美的风景，请让我们一再拥有彼此，喋喋不休地倾诉，请让我来帮你实现你的梦想。Today, today I bet my life.You have no idea what I feel inside.Don't be afraid to let its how,For you never know if you let it out.I love you, you love me.Take this gift and don't ask why,Cause if you will let me,I'll take what scares you,hold it deepinside.And if you ask me why,I'm with you and why I'll never leave,Love will show you everything. 场景六故事的最后，当Ian知道他要和Samantha迎来最终命运的时刻，他在雨中将自己内心一直以来想要告诉她的爱全部说给她听：“I have loved you since I met you, but Iwould not allow myself to truly feel it until today. I'm always thinking ahead,making decisions out off ear. Today, because of what I learned from you...every choice I made was different and my life has completely changed. And I'velearned that if you do that, you're living your life fully. It doesn't matterif you have five minutes or fifty years. Samantha, if not for today, if not foryou, I would never have known love at all. So thank you for being the personwho taught me to love. And to be loved. You don't have to say anything. I justwanted to tell you.” 【筱思感悟】少不经事的岁月里，我们总会认为，有些事，错过了可以弥补；有些人，转身了还能遇到。我们总安慰自己还有明天，还有以后，但岁月这张单程车票，从来都不曾馈赠你额外的哪怕一次侥幸机会。 如果没有这迫近的死亡阴影，也许他们一样会因为伤害而分离，而遇见不到旦夕祸福的我们，也是一样的不懂珍惜。有太多现实的阻碍横亘在我们和心爱的人之间，最后的结果便往往应验了那句经典却悲哀的台词——失去了，才懂得珍惜。 一切幸福都简单地源于内心醇静的爱，可惜我们常常充当Ian警醒之前的那个角色；更可惜的是，我们在失去后大多没有机会重来，只能遗憾地说着以If only开头的语句。 为何最终让我们擦亮眼睛的，总是永不再来的光明？ 520，不要吝惜你爱的表达，让我们更加懂得用心和珍惜。  【垫乐】关注微信公众号：为你读英语美文，查看垫乐 【主播介绍】筱思：本科毕业于西安外国语大学，研究生毕业于北京语言大学，喜欢录音电影画画唱歌的处女座女生 主播：筱思 , 制作 | 编辑: 永清 图片源于网络文字，音乐版权归作者或版权方所有 微信公众号：为你读英语美文官方新浪微博：@为你读英语美文

有声英语少儿童话故事 绿野仙踪 第8卷 第7章“This isn't the road,” said theStork, as she twisted her long neck and looked sharply at the queer party.“I know it,” returned Dorothy,“but we have lost the Scarecrow, and are wondering how we shall get him again.”“Where is he?” asked the Stork.“Over there in the river,”answered the little girl.“If he wasn't so big and heavy Iwould get him for you,” remarked the Stork.“He isn't heavy a bit,” saidDorothy eagerly, “for he is stuffed with straw; and if you will bring him backto us, we shall thank you ever and ever so much.”

Guest Elizabeth Stanley:Join Elizabeth and I as we talk about the Secret to Letting Go. As a "Control Freak" in recovery I know a little something about how NOT BEING ABLE TO LET GO keeps you trapped in circumstances that can suffocate you and create pressure and stress that impacts your health, relationships and overall enjoyment of life. Let Go and be more productive, efficient, creative, in flow; make decisions based on what you want vs what you want to avoid or what you’re afraid of; connect more deeply, enjoy the moments and get relief from the pressure & stress of holding on so tight! When people told me to LET GO my response used to be, “If I COULD let go, I WOULD!” I’ve learned how and Elizabeth and I are thrilled to share some of the “mind hacks” we’ve used personally and with our clients. Letting Go gives you the freedom you need to be the YOU you’re meant to be! Elizabeth Stanley is a holistic health coach, nutritionist, life coach, entrepreneur and founder of Healthy Girl Holistic Lifestyle. Elizabeth is also a long time fitness professional and personal trainer whose greatest joy and passion are her daughters Catherine and Grace. Elizabeth’s goal at Healthy Girl Holistic Lifestyle is to ensure that everyone has the opportunity to have a lifetime of health and wellness with the tools in place to be the best version of you!Elizabeth’s message to the world is “ We all have the ability to rewrite our personal story. Don’t become of victim of your life’s circumstances, they do not define you. Find love, find your passion, help change one life. Remember your worth. Be whatever it is you choose to be, it's never to late to be the best possible version of you.”Casey Kerr, Founder & Strategist of Find Your ROARFrom High Potential to High PERFORMINGReal Results for Entrepreneurs, Business Owners & Emerging LeadersOffice: (781) 261-9695

Guest Elizabeth Stanley:Join Elizabeth and I as we talk about the Secret to Letting Go. As a "Control Freak" in recovery I know a little something about how NOT BEING ABLE TO LET GO keeps you trapped in circumstances that can suffocate you and create pressure and stress that impacts your health, relationships and overall enjoyment of life. Let Go and be more productive, efficient, creative, in flow; make decisions based on what you want vs what you want to avoid or what you’re afraid of; connect more deeply, enjoy the moments and get relief from the pressure & stress of holding on so tight! When people told me to LET GO my response used to be, “If I COULD let go, I WOULD!” I’ve learned how and Elizabeth and I are thrilled to share some of the “mind hacks” we’ve used personally and with our clients. Letting Go gives you the freedom you need to be the YOU you’re meant to be! Elizabeth Stanley is a holistic health coach, nutritionist, life coach, entrepreneur and founder of Healthy Girl Holistic Lifestyle. Elizabeth is also a long time fitness professional and personal trainer whose greatest joy and passion are her daughters Catherine and Grace. Elizabeth’s goal at Healthy Girl Holistic Lifestyle is to ensure that everyone has the opportunity to have a lifetime of health and wellness with the tools in place to be the best version of you!Elizabeth’s message to the world is “ We all have the ability to rewrite our personal story. Don’t become of victim of your life’s circumstances, they do not define you. Find love, find your passion, help change one life. Remember your worth. Be whatever it is you choose to be, it's never to late to be the best possible version of you.”Casey Kerr, Founder & Strategist of Find Your ROARFrom High Potential to High PERFORMINGReal Results for Entrepreneurs, Business Owners & Emerging LeadersOffice: (781) 261-9695

Amanda Maynard is the "Get UnStuck Coach," for people transitioning in business. I'm really good at clearing a path for people.  I feel like I've been in the woods since I was 2. - Lisa   Earliest memories of learning and sharing information. "The universe kept putting people in front of me, after I'd learned something" - Amanda   Is crying on the floor at night normal? Always during menopause.   "I don't believe in coincidences" - Amanda   "I was an avid student, I was like a puppy." - Amanda on e mail coaching.   "He told me I had 99% crap in my head and I was like, WAHOO! I have 1% still good!" - Amanda He must see something in me, that I don't see at the moment. So I'm going to believe in his belief until I believe in myself." - Amanda ALL THE FREAKING TIME: Being called out, to an opportunity, and not taking it, because it doesn't show up how we've imagined it. It is a muscle, "To be clear enough to see what's in front of you" - Lisa --"and know that you're already worthy of the thing you've asked for" - Amanda I get 20% done and then I get distracted. Amanda relates, and has trained herself. She needed a team to take her ideas and keep them focused through launch. "I need people that are much more structured and detailed than I am- and I tell them to hassle me because I know that's what I need." -Amanda My daughter is my only assistant that can get me to focus. "I always feel very stuck, and I have no idea what I'm really supposed to be doing" - Lisa "There's a part of me that thinks my endeavors are unrealistic notions" - Lisa "Maybe I'm not funny enough" - Lisa, for the first time ever "Your brain is trying to devalue what you actually have accomplished. What I would tell it is to go Fuck Off and sit in the corner" - Amanda "I tell my mantras to go fuck off like they're bullshitting me" - Lisa Running theme: It's silly to be silly. (WHO MAKES A LIVING BEING SILLY?!) THOUSANDS of funny people, making THOUSANDS OF MILLIONS of dollars because people are dying to laugh. The only thing holding you back, is the story of "Who am I?" Who are you not to be that person, why not you? "Who am I, not to have that, why aren't I allowing myself to have that?" - Lisa If you fully stepped out on the stage to be silly, what would that mean for you? Lisa: People wouldn't take me seriously...... EXACTLY Jim Carey and Robin Williams do both!  I'm afraid I won't be taken seriously, but I'm already not empowering myself to do it.  I renounced my self help books. My friends were so disappointed.  The self help was the next crutch to keep you from being your best self. The tool or the crutch. Let the products come from going out on stage and doing your thing.  Teaching through comedy and humor. "Most people need to learn to laugh at themselves" -Amanda "I am missing something" - I am in the same money place I always am - Lisa "WHY ARE YOU NOT GETTING THIS?" That is your brain trying to get you into judgement mode to get you into the downward spiral The more you step into your power, the brain starts screaming these obscenities at you. As soon as you acknowledge that thought pattern is happening then you can say, really Lisa, how has all this personal development enhanced my life" - Amanda The self help lets me see more beauty, be more compassionate - Lisa "Can you see a connection to opportunities because you were in a better mindset? More attractive opportunities?" - Amanda "The jobs come in and then they dry up and I'm in a bad mood and bad space. I get to be funny, I get to have my own show basically, but it's my dad's. I don't feel like it's mine. - Lisa Not allowing yourself to have the full fulfillment because of the judgement.  "I want to attract clients that love OUR work, as it stands now" - Lisa What I focus on I attract, I can focus on the idea that the new clients are attracted because of us.  Let's change the language from "that's what I Would want," to "People are coming to us all the time for what we create and unique energy and sense of advertising." Visualizing the clients happily coming to you, telling everyone how amazing you are. Coming because they've heard of you.  "I see like 100 people" - Lisa They are ready for you to accept that you are ready and there for them. (777 word count - Doreen Virtue Angel Numbers)  The platter is there waiting for us. "here is the beautiful meal, but I will stick with what I've been doing, cause I have had it forever. " I do a show that goes really well and want to go home.  "Have to switch hats, and go meet the next connection." - Amanda "Lisa's not here, you don't want her you want her father, her brother, Amy Sedaris, SJP"- Fuck that! "From now on, I want you to open the freaking door. If you're in doubt, I want you to visualize the people out there waiting for you" - Amanda Get to the audience through keynote speaking. THINK BIGGER. Close your eyes. Now, imagine you've walked into a conference. You are one of the speakers, you've walked up on stage, the music, the lights are going, how many people are in the audience? What are they doing?  Thousands. Its where I'm supposed to be.  You felt human because you were in your element and what you're supposed to be doing. How you've been trained as a comedian to do all that grunt work. Which you've already done. "How do I go, book me? Because I know I can pull it out of my ass in front of 1000 people." COMIC CREDIBILITY! Proven funny thousands of times all over the country.  (999 word count - Doreen Virtue Angel Numbers) "You already have the expertise" - Amanda Keep sticking your head back in the hole, until you decide to see different options and possibilities. "You keep going to the past, you've made it all up so it can be as real as you want it to be" - Amanda I'm the only one that doesn't see it - "Their blind spot is their own gift- Our innate gifts are so easy for us, we automatically assume everyone can do it" - Amanda "I'm not the girl who fucked up cheer leading try outs anymore" - Lisa "Most of us spend our lives beating ourselves up for the things we can't do." - Amanda "How funny are accountants?" - Amanda   Just decide. Everything comes from a decision. The next step will appear when you make that decision.  Playing small is a reoccurring theme on my podcast.  "Stop that. I have no time for this nonsense. Just freaking do it!" Act as if it's already true. It is already true, you just have to act as if it's already true.  Therefore I'm going to take the step and open the door. I open the door by believing it's already true.  "Take action as if you're already that famous speaker on stage." - Amanda Feel yourself there. Not just imagining. Feel.                     

Welcome back to OR welcome if you’re a first-timer to the Monday Motivation podcast! This IS Sandi Ballard, founder of Growing Forward Success Coaching and master of detecting excuses! If ping pong was a game of slapping back excuses at clients, I WOULD win the Olympics! HA! How are things going? Really? Over the last few weeks, I have challenged you to step out of your comfort zone and try something NEW. Do something differently. Get off your ass and climb out of your rut and DO. SOMETHING. Yes, I’m wearing my pointy shoes right now and my whip is within arms reach! I’m clearly in a MOOD and it stems from fielding excuses all year. Having clients fall out of routine and make excuses to get back-on-track. What’s the challenge? I get frustrated when, and my Mentor has told me many times, “You can’t want it more than them”, but when clients back off or continue to throw excuses at me instead of seeing what I see in them. Seeing how amazing it is and what MORE they can have. So last week I asked you to step out of your comfort zone and I had this voice in my head (I know I have lots of them) but this one I could hear a client say, I don’t want to do this by myself. Sigh**** I will only do this if someone comes with me. Ok, I get it, doing things alone can sometimes be scary, then I also appreciate the saying “Misery Loves Company”. Remember when you were a kid – and you got in trouble and your parents asked you why you did something? And your response was “because Jimmy did it”? haha…….. and what did your parents ask you?  Yes…So if Jimmy jumped off a bridge would you jump too? Hahaha. Yeah. Well guess what – there are many of you adults out there that are still pulling that “I’ll do it if you do it” card. I’m not saying it’s wrong all the time, but there clearly are times when that’s just another bullshit excuse! I agree sometimes going with a friend or colleague to an event is more fun than going it alone, but make sure you understand the WHY behind NOT doing it alone. Is this person in your “comfort zone”? What happens when you have to take that BIG GIANT F-ING STEP OUT OF YOUR COMFORT ZONE and NO ONE CAN BE YOUR SIDEKICK? NO ONE can go to that networking event with you? No one can workout with you? No one can come over and play? What will you do? Reel back into your comfort zone and not go? You KNOW this can potentially help your business, career, life in general…but you just can’t go it alone? Listen in for more on this topic. Comment here or email me SBallard@GrowingForward.biz with what you are willing to finally do alone for your own personal and/or professional growth!

Why am I creating this podcast? Because I want to help you create a true healthy lifestyle which means you aren’t just physically healthy, but you are mentally, emotionally, relationship, and financially healthy. To help you take your life from where you are right now and level it up and start living it at ELITE levels. It’s to help you STOP giving up your control and power to other people and regain control of your life and become the Alpha of your life. So is today’s podcast about? Stop stopping As I relaunch my podcast I couldn't help but to laugh at myself thinking... ...How many more times will I "relaunch" this podcast? (Seriously this is the 3rd and last time) But I couldn't help but to be reminded how crucial it is to learn how to stop stopping. Think about this: How many times have you started your weight loss goal? Only to find yourself 2-3 months into having to reset and start over? How many times have you said ok today's the day I will start connecting with God again, but find your pattern disrupted and have to recommit again? How many times have you told your spouse or kids that you will do something and fail to keep that promise saying ok next time I will I PROMISE? How many times have you set your business goals doing a blog, podcast, or whatever it is that you need to do and fall off track and have to start all over? Now what would happen and how would your life be different if you STOPPED STOPPING? Think about how different of results you would have today if you just stopped stopping. One of the greatest cause to failure is nothing more than just you giving up. Where in your life have you stopped doing the work? Where can you recommit, start, and stop stopping? I Would invite you to start doing the work today! Right now Start doing what it takes to create and Elite life and becoming the Alpha of your life! Matt Johnson, Leader Of The Pack www.theelitealpha.com

As a parent, I want my kids to follow the rules. But, should I? Would you rather have Mary or Martha as your daughter? (Luke 10:38-42) Would you rather have the elder son or the prodigal son? (Luke 15) Worshipping the rules leads to missing God. Living from your heart may lead you to some […]

In this episode of the Open for Business podcast Iwould like to introduce you to Frank Wyatt the managing director ofEnterprising Partnerships, a business providing programs to assist youngentrepreneurs and startups in Victoria, Australia. Frank has been a greatmentor to me over the short period that we have know each other and he helps toprovide me with some of the amazing guests that we have on the podcast! I havea short recording that I did with Frank back in January 2016 and I want toshare this with you to create some context around why you will be hearing a bitmore about Enterprising Partnerships and their programs in future episodes!   Let’s jump straight into the show! It’s time to become…Open for Business!   VIP’SFEATURED IN THIS EPISODE:   1.     FrankWyatt – Enterprising Partnerships RESOURCESAND LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:   EnterprisingPartnerships   GettingDown To Business program for young entrepreneurs   iGen –Innovation Generation   The Merrymaker Sisters! Futureguests on the show! Check them out!!     WANTTO BE THE FIRST TO KNOW ABOUT THE NEW OPT-IN & 5 STEP COURSE?   If so, justclick here and leave your emailaddress!       WASTHIS EPISODE SUBSCRIBE WORTHY? If so, justclick here to subscribe and never miss another episode!   YOURTHOUGHTS? Please letme know in the comments section below! If you didn’t like it, let me know thattoo! Constructive feedback and suggestions are always welcome! I’d love to knowyour thoughts! After all, Open for Business is about helping you, so I want youget the most out each episode that you can!   LET’SMAKE THIS GROW! If you enjoyed this episode, thebiggest complement you can give is to leave a rating and review in iTunes forOpen for Business! Reviews are extremely helpful to boostour ranking and help this show get noticed! Plus, I read each and every one ofthem. P.S. Here’s a ‘how-to’ if your note sure?   IT’SMADE POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF YOU! Thank you again for joining meagain this week. There are so many other podcasts and experts that you could belistening to instead, but you have shared some of your precious time to listento this episode and I truly appreciate that! Without you as a listener, the podcast goes nowhere!   That’s it for this episode! Thankyou again and remember you can get in touch with me anytime on Twitter @anthonygmurphy orvia email anthony(at)openforbusiness(dot)net(dot)au! 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE  VOCALIST LAURIN TALESE TO RELEASE DEBUT ALBUM WITH ALL-STAR LINEUP FEATURING ADAM BLACKSTONE, ROBERT GLASPER, VIVIAN GREEN, CHRISTIAN MCBRIDE, ULYSSES OWENS JR., CHRISTIAN SANDS AND MOREPHILADELPHIA,    Laurin Talese, will release her debut album Gorgeous Chaos,Gorgeous ChaosisLaurin Talese’seagerly anticipateddebut album which follows her EP, An   Invitation,released   latelast   year. The   recording   showcasesthe   songstress’magnificent  instrument,  and  further expands  upon herwhimsicalnarrative whichprovides an alluring glimpse intoher personallife experiences. She quotes:“In  my early  involvementwith  romance,  there  was  so  much  ambiguity.  I  was  eager  and impatient; wistful and naive.I had everything to learn, and that first glimpse of awareness and  confidence  on  the  horizon  was  absolutely  GORGEOUS.However,  while  telling  my ever-evolving story, Iwould be remiss to exclude the chaos that ensued. That crazy back and forth dance you do when you'reon the precipice of an epiphany.”Produced  by Adam Blackstone(Justin  Timberlake,  Rihanna)  and Ulysses Owens, Jr.(Christian McBride, Kurt Elling, WyntonMarsalis), Gorgeous Chaosfeatures alist of jazz elite  including Robert  Glasper, Christian  McBrideand Christian  Sands, renownedSoul/R&B vocalist, Vivian  Green,  and longtime collaborator Eric  Wortham(Adele),alongside Owens and Blackstone. Other notableartists featuredon  the  recordinginclude:Anthony DeCarlo,Yesseh Furaah-Ali, Tim Green,Erskine Hawkins, Jamar Jones, Josh Lawrence, Anwar Marshall, Ben O’Neill, Steve Tirpak, Joe Truglio,The Millennial Symphony Stringsand Dontae Winslow

Would you listen to someone who has published over 30 books and has been featured in popular programs and magazines like Dr. Phil, The View, The Early Show, Good Morning America, Extra, Fox News, PBS, CNN, Good Day New York, 700 Club, Time, Newsweek, Seventeen, Fitness, Harper’s Bazaar, Real Simple, The National Enquirer, Family Circle, Ladies’ Home Journal, Glamour, Cosmopolitan, InStyle, Oprah Magazine, and many more? I WOULD! Her name is Ann Louise Gittleman and she is known as the “First Lady Of Nutrition”. She is a top nutritionist,  internationally recognized as a pioneer in dietary, environmental, and women’s health issues. And today I had the pleasure of talking to Ann Louise about how you can overcome weight loss plateau. I hope that you enjoy the interview as much as I did! Here is the CHEAT SHEET for the show: -What is the main message of The First Lady of Nutrition? -How to overcome weight loss plateau? -The main differenc

Welcome Back to Breaking Beats Episode 21 This will be the last Episode of the year and have we got some Beauty's lined up for your Audio Pleasure, from the likes of Parhelia, Azhot, LSB, Treex, Ltj Bukem, Malaky, Upfront, Mindmapper & Silvahfunk and Mitekiss to name a few. I Would like to Thank everybody on Soundcloud That Has Supported Breaking Beats In its First Year. As usual Hope you Enjoy and i would like to wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year :) All the Best Lee (Breaking Beats) Tracklist: Another Place - Upfront It Finds You - LSB Ft Tokyo Prose Moon - AZHOT i Feel - Treex Gone Away - Malaky City Blues - ALB No More - Human Nature,Apache Buesnos Aires Calling - Parhelia Mountain Streams - Muffler Switch - LTJ Bukem Another Late Night - Muggsy Wrong with The - Modu Nebulosa - HLZ Chop Shop Burn - Random Movement Get Away - Martial Law Absolutuion - Mindmapper Silvahfunk Blubeny Fields  - Fishy, Dan Guidance About Tonite - LSB Something New - WOODTEKR Understand - Dj Tempo San Teodoro - Phentix, Hex Autumn - Mitekiss Buzz Loop - Cutworx Come Back - Arlow Feeling Fragment - Abstr4ct, Broken System

Get our IELTS Free Video Training   Do you know what to say to someone after a good or a bad date in English? Today you will find out from our favorite dating consultant, Jessica Coyle. You’ll also get some new English dating vocabulary and terms that you can use in the real world!   What should we do if we have just had a good date: (1) Send a text message that evening and say: “I had a really nice time.” “Had a great time tonight. (I) Would like to see you again.” “It was really nice meeting you, let’s hit up (go to) the MOMA.” “Thanks so much for a great time.” “I enjoyed meeting you.”   (2) Jessica likes to research the person online after a good first date to find out more about the person.   If you had a bad date you can say: “I didn’t feel any chemistry but best of luck.” “I got more of a friend vibe.” Key vocab from today: To ghost someone: To disappear and stop communicating after you have been on a date To do the fade-away: Similar to ghosting (see above) A vibe: A general feeling or impression To go Dutch: To split the bill Jessica’s Bio: Jessica Coyle has been teaching English since 2007. She received her Master’s in TESOL in 2013, finishing with a professional project researching the use of improvisational comedy teaching techniques to teach English as a second language. She has studied and performed improv comedy all over Korea, China, Canada and the United States. She writes a dating blog called Hopeful Disasters.  

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King read by Classic Poetry Aloud: http://www.classicpoetryaloud.com/ Giving voice to the poetry of the past. --------------------------------------------- A Contemplation upon Flowers by Henry King, Bishop of Chichester (1592 – 1669) Brave flowers—that I could gallant it like you, And be as little vain! You come abroad, and make a harmless show, And to your beds of earth again. You are not proud: you know your birth: For your embroider'd garments are from earth. You do obey your months and times, but I Would have it ever Spring: My fate would know no Winter, never die, Nor think of such a thing. O that I could my bed of earth but view And smile, and look as cheerfully as you! O teach me to see Death and not to fear, But rather to take truce! How often have I seen you at a bier, And there look fresh and spruce! You fragrant flowers! then teach me, that my breath Like yours may sweeten and perfume my death.