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Happy Hour Joel Fleischman
Happy Hour Podcast #129 - All Things ERP

Happy Hour Joel Fleischman

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 28, 2025 39:02


We welcomed Dan Taylor from Bistrack Epicor and CTO Jodi Garvey to talk all things ERP and Project MEGA (Make ERP Great Again). Topics discussed:-Jodi's Street credit -History of Drexel SKUs -ERP Success and Struggles in the Building Supply Industry - no dominant force like Amazon or Ford and how Drexel stands out.-Having FUN in the implementation process -Pearl Jam and Project BREATHE -How is everyday easier with Epicor? -And the famous Billboard question! Jodi - Always a Rainbow after the Storm and Dan- Don't Quit Your Daydream

Get Rich Education
549: Who You Are vs. Who You Could Be with Loral Langemeier

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 14, 2025 52:49


Keith introduces the three types of freedom: time freedom, money freedom, and location freedom, and how real estate investing can provide all three. He is joined by special guest, Loral Langemeier, a global wealth expert, who shares her journey from a $25,000 investment to becoming a millionaire through real estate and mentorship.  Debt is Not Negative: Loral emphasized that debt is simply the cost of money and can be a positive tool when used responsibly. Tax Strategies for Wealth Building: She introduced the "tax trifecta" - understanding how you make money, how to activate tax code deductions, and how to invest in alternatives like real estate to reduce taxes.  Active Engagement and Mentorship: Loral stressed the importance of actively engaging in your wealth-building journey, getting the right mentors, and continuously learning. She believes the difference between those who succeed and those who struggle is their level of active participation and willingness to learn from experts. Resources: Ask questions and make requests at AskLoral.com to receive free tickets, ebooks, and other resources. Show Notes: GetRichEducation.com/549 For access to properties or free help with a GRE Investment Coach, start here: GREmarketplace.com GRE Free Investment Coaching:GREmarketplace.com/Coach Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Invest with Freedom Family Investments.  You get paid first: Text FAMILY to 66866 Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review”  For advertising inquiries, visit: GetRichEducation.com/ad Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free— text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Complete episode transcript:   Automatically Transcribed With Otter.ai    Keith Weinhold  0:01   Welcome to GRE. I'm your host. Keith Weinhold, it's the first time that we have a certain legacy finance personality on the show. We're talking about how you can cultivate your own personal wealth mindset, how to creatively add value to your real estate and how to put your kids to work for big tax deductions and more. Today on get rich education.    Since 2014 the powerful get rich education podcast has created more passive income for people than nearly any other show in the world. This show teaches you how to earn strong returns from passive real estate investing in the best markets without losing your time being a flipper or landlord. Show Host Keith Weinhold writes for both Forbes and Rich Dad advisors, who delivers a new show every week since 2014 there's been millions of listener downloads of 188 world nations. He has a list show, guess who? Top Selling personal finance author Robert Kiyosaki, get rich education can be heard on every podcast platform, plus it has its own dedicated Apple and Android listener phone apps build wealth on the go with the get rich education podcast. Sign up now for the get rich education podcast or visit get rich education.com   Corey Coates  1:12   You're listening to the show that has created more financial freedom than nearly any show in the world. This is get rich education.   Keith Weinhold  1:28   Welcome to GRE from the second state of Pennsylvania to the second to last State of Alaska and across 188 nations worldwide. I'm Keith weinholding. You are back for another wealth building week. This is get rich education, and coincidentally, they are the two states where I've lived my life. Every single one of us has a gap in our lives. There is a gap between who you are and who you could be. And today, my guest and I will talk about this some more. Look, there are people who should already be financially free, but they're not. Their residual income could exceed their expenses by now, yet they aren't financially free. It's not because they're lazy, it's not because they're stupid, it's because they're stuck in one of these three traps. Number one, they're working harder instead of smarter. Number two, they're playing small instead of playing to win, which is like paying off low interest rate debt instead of keeping their own money, like I discussed last week, or thirdly, investing in all the wrong things, or not investing at all. And the worst part is that these people don't even realize that they're doing it. Most people aren't even cognizant. They don't have any awareness of the gap. You're not going to make progress on closing a gap that you don't know exists, you've got no chance of hitting a bull's eye when you're aiming at the wrong target. And I think it helps to develop a structure in your life where you have to tell yourself, I better do a good job here, or else. Yeah, it's the or else part that's a motivator. Now, some people won't extrapolate that mantra beyond the workplace. The number one thing that keeps employees showing up at work is fear. They tell themselves, I better show up at work on time, or else, I better do a good job on this project, or else I better give a great sales presentation. Or else. Now that's all well and fine, but to close the gap between who you are and who you could be, tell yourself something on a higher level, like I had better get some residual income outside of work, or else I'm going to stay stuck in a soulless job forever, and I'll never get that time back. So you've got to set up the right for else consequence for yourself. And then, yeah, of course, there are smaller ones like, I better avoid eating kettle chips, or else I'll gain weight. Let's be mindful that there are three types of freedom. You've got three types time freedom, money freedom and location freedom. Real Estate Investing gives you all three. You can make an unlimited income. There's the money freedom part. You can remotely manage your property managers from anywhere. There's your location. Freedom. And since you're not directly responding to your tenant, your property manager is, well, there's your time, freedom, you've got a buffer from emergencies, once you get this dialed in, and it does take a few years, oh, now you've got the time freedom, the money freedom and the location freedom. What do you want to avoid only making a big income? It was recently reported that Wall Street bonuses were way up this past year. Okay, yeah, but how happy are those finance worker Manhattanites who wear an iron pressed button down shirt and a Patagonia vest for 14 hours a day. That's not time freedom for sure, and it isn't location freedom either, unless it's 100% work from anywhere. You know, in my life, I recently got a great reminder of this. It really hit me. I have this close friend. He was the valedictorian of our high school class. I think I brought him up before. He's still a tight friend. I mean, sometimes we go on vacations together. Well, we have a high school class reunion back in Pennsylvania this summer, and among him and our other like, closest group of friends, my tightest guys, I'm always encouraging everyone to, hey, spend at least a week together, because we can't all get together like this that often, and because I have the time freedom to kind of suggest that and even push for that. Well, my valedictorian friend, he is a surgeon in St Louis, and among this tightest knit group of friends, he's the only one that cannot get the week off so that we can all hang out together more after the reunion. Instead, he can only get three or four days. He's got to get back to work as a surgeon in St Louis. Now, I'm sure he's compensated really well, and he doesn't live a bad life, but as a surgeon, you know, it's just become blatantly obvious that he doesn't have either the time freedom or the location freedom. Yet I do as a remote real estate investor, even though it's not something that I studied in college, but my valedictorian surgeon friend, you know, he had a long educational path, you know, undergrad and med school and residency and a ton of training and all these years tied up in his medical education. Therefore, you know, sometimes when people do that, they feel obligated, like that's what they should do, that's what they have to do, because he's already put so much into it. But he only has one of the three types of freedom. And no matter what you went to school for, if you find out about something better, like a great business idea or remote real estate investing, you've got to consider pivoting into that and go into that if it makes sense for you, the world changes. It keeps getting faster, and you've got to change with it. So obtaining financial freedom through real estate helps you deal with an external locus of control issue where life is constantly happening to you, rather than something you can influence. When you're an employee, life happens to you more often than when you're the one pushing the buttons, when you control the three freedoms now, you are narrowing that gap between who you are and who you could be.    I didn't mention it previously. Two weeks ago, I brought you the show from Las Vegas, Nevada, last week, from just outside Colorado Springs. And today I'm here in Anchorage, Alaska, where I'll be for a few weeks before heading to London, England, and then from there, on to Scotland. I plan to visit the former home of the father of economics when I'm in Edinburgh, Scotland, of course, that is Adam Smith, the author of The Wealth of Nations. I might tell you more about that at that time.    Before we bring in our guest this week, a quarter recently ended.  Here is our asset class rundown. The NAR reported that the median sale price of an existing home rose 3.8% year over year in February, marking the 20th straight month that sale prices increased year over year. Mortgage rates fell from 6.9% to 6.6 per Freddie Mac this is all year to date. Q1, the S, p5, 100 was down four and a half percent. The NASDAQ down 10 and a half percent. That's officially correction territory, as those tariff years dominated. The quarter interest rates of all kinds are a little lower yield on the 10 year, Tino falling from 4.6 to 4.2 despite inflation concerns, inflation hovering just under 3% for most of the quarter, Bitcoin down 12% oil is still super cheap, beginning the quarter where it ended near 70 bucks. Gold has been the star performer this year. Are up 17% just in the quarter, and for the first time in history, has searched the over $3,000 an ounce, its best quarter since 1986 in fact, this century, gold has now outperformed the S, p5 100 by two and a half times. Just incredible. There's our asset class rundown. Let's speak with this week's guest.   This week's guest has been a long time, prominent, well known name, perhaps even a household name. She is a global wealth expert, six time New York Times, best selling author, and today, she runs integrated wealth systems and other alternative asset platforms since 1996 she's been involved in multiple areas of finance, mentoring, real estate investment, business development and gas and oil. And much like me, she teaches people her strategies on how to make money, invest money and keep money, but together, you and I can look forward to getting her spin today, and you've seen her seemingly everywhere over time, in the USA Today, The Wall Street Journal, the view Dr Phil in every major legacy network channel, many times she is on a mission to change The conversation about money. She was known as the millionaire maker from back when a million was actually a lot of money. Welcome to GRE Loral Langemeier.   Loral Langemeier  11:31   hey, thank you. It's great to be here. Look forward to talking with your audience,   Keith Weinhold  11:35    Laurel, though we're a real estate investing show and audience here, I think that you and I would agree that wealth building starts in the mind that most valuable six inches of real estate between our ears. What's your take on cultivating a wealthy mindset?   Loral Langemeier  11:50   You got to hang out with millionaires. I said the fastest way to become a millionaire is hang out with them. Is for me. I knew that's what happened. 1996 Bob Proctor introduced me to Robert Kiyosaki, Sharon Lechter, I flew down, sat at her kitchen table. I walked out that day. I flew in as an exercise physiologist for Chevron, building fitness centers in their blue collar like offshore oil rigs, refineries like the sexiest places in the world, Kazakhstan and goal Africa. I went in as an exercise physiologist. I went out the next day as a master distributor with a cash flow game. And I jumped, I quit my job and said, I'm going to go follow this Japanese kind of game around. And I was teased and teased and teased. Keith because, I mean, Rich Dad, Poor Dad didn't really hit until 1998 so sort of this risky proposition. But like with anything you say yes, you figure it out. And I knew people asked me over the time. They said, What would have happened if Rich Dad, Poor Dad didn't hit, if it didn't become as big? I said, we just opened up another door that's such a message for people, their need to see the path of how to do everything before they move is honestly one of their biggest saboteurs. So for mindset, I think mindset also goes with knowledge, because I just know, having taught this, you know, just this whole millionaire hold like a millionaire maker book. And for all your listeners, I can give them a ebook copy of the millionaire maker. So love to give that out to everybody for free. However. You want to do that in the show notes, but becoming a millionaire is the same thing as take like you said, you got to learn to make money. As an entrepreneur, even if you have a job, you've got to learn to make money. You've got to learn to keep it through better tax planning, and you have to invest in alternatives, which is why real estate was my first millionaire status. And I've been a millionaire now in nine industries. So that's kind of exciting new hit nine industries this last year. So done in a lot of different categories. Real Estate was my first in 1999 and during that period, if it wasn't hanging out with Robert Sharon, Keith Cunningham, like Bob Proctor. I mean the guys. I mean when you're living around millionaires, the fastest way to not only get your mindset, but then your behavior and your knowledge levels just skyrockets because you're around I mean people who live it, and they're living it every day. I think those who sit on the bleacher seats, I call it Keith, where they're just watching, reading, but never getting in the game. They're the ones who like they're sitting in the oyster seats, right? They're just watching. They're not actually get on the playing field.   Keith Weinhold  14:09   Sure, it harkens back to the classic Jim Rohn quote, you are the average of the five people that you spend the most time with. Laurel when it comes to mindset, one thing I think about is that every single day, 8.2 billion humans wake up, and every single one of us has this gap between who we are and who we could be, yet most of us make zero progress on this ever present gap. So when it comes to wealth mindset and finances, what can we do?    Loral Langemeier  14:38   You gotta get a mentor and a coach. And I got a mentor and a coach when I was 17, what shifted me and really changed the whole trajectory of my life. I grew up at farm in farm girl in Nebraska, and at 17, I was going off to university, also going to play basketball. And so I went to one of those pre sports seminars, and Dennis Whateley was a speaker. And. And I ran to the front of the stage, and I got the book, Think and Grow Rich, and that I can tell you, a farm girl 17, going like, there's a whole other way to live. So instead of going to school to get a law degree, which is what I went into, which I still think I'd be a heck of a little debater and negotiator, but I do that enough in business now, I got a finance degree, and I just studied. And my first mentor at 17, I walked into a bank, and I remember asking the bank president, will you mentor me? Because rich people put their money here. I need to understand money, because I don't understand it. And I was never really raised in that conversation, which I would say, 99% of the planets that way. And I have taught and traveled this work since, you know, 1999 when I became a millionaire, Keith, I've put this work into six continents, all but Antarctica. So I know it works in principle. Everything we will talk about today works in every continent. The benefit is the United States has the most corporate structure, the best tax structure, the best tax strategist, stack strategies. So even my high net worth international clients end up, typically in Nevada, with a C Corp or some sort of asset company or trust, where then they can buy us real estate, US gas and oil and activate our tax code for them. So we do a lot of really high, high level international strategies. Just because I bent all over to do that, when very blessed to do that, it's interesting, because I think mentoring, you're not going to be taught this. And what drives me crazy when people say, and I'm sure you've heard this a million times on your podcast too, Keith, schools should teach this. No, they shouldn't. Parents, you need to teach it. You need to be more active in your household than your family. And instead of letting Tiktok raise your kids, you need to raise your kids. So I do a lot of work in this category, because my kids are now 18 and 25 raised them a single mom, but legacy work is critical, and that's why I have a game. I have a millionaire maker game. So from the cash flow game, I have a game, and I think the parents have got to put the conversation about money in the household, and they got to monitor like, what they say, you know, don't ever, ever say to a child. Don't ask for it, or, you know, or we can't afford it, because you can afford anything you want if you learn to make money. And I think Keith is part of this. I know we're in a real estate show, but you know, how many people want to be real estate millionaires and never make it? How many people want to do like you said, whatever, the life they're really meant to live? But again, I think they're in I don't think I know their environment, who they hang out with, who they spend time with, what they read there. Are they binging your podcasts and my YouTube channel, or are they binging Netflix and Hulu and watching John like how you feed your mind and what content, how many books you read? I don't care if they're ebooks audiobooks, but you've got to put new content in your brain all the time and be around the people making it happen.   Keith Weinhold  17:41   Oh, that's great. Sure. To change yourself. You got to change your five, change your mentors, change your influencers, and, yeah, be that parent that teaches your children about money, and you don't have to teach that money is a scarce resource. I really just think that's one part of a mindset. That's where most people's mind goes when they think about money. They think about it as a scarce resource for one thing, and it's pretty counterintuitive with the mindset. I mean, if you want to be in the top of 1% you're probably going to be misunderstood and even iconoclastic.   Loral Langemeier  18:13   Yep, I would agree. And you know, another thing with mindset that I think is interesting is, and again, I'm gonna go back to knowledge, about consuming the right knowledge. And on my YouTube channel, which is, you know, Laura Langmuir, The Millionaire maker, it's family friendly. It's for five years old and up. We actually have a YouTube journal, Keith, that we did, where it says, What day did you watch the video? What did you learn? What will you do? And in 365, days, because I'm there every day, here is your this. And that's what I tell parents. I said, get yourself and get your kids a journal and at least one lesson from every recorded, you know, video. So I would say, give me five to 10 minutes a day just for a new piece of content. And the biggest one that is searched on my channel. I want to relate this to real estate is people's mindset and understanding with debt. They have such a negative, negative relationship to debt. And I want to start with this. Debt is the cost of money period. It is not negative. I think it's the most positive thing you could do. And as a real estate investor, arbitraging debt, meaning, if you can get debt for two, 3% or 0% I have over 500 sources, I can get 0% financing for 21,24 months, that's free money that's not hard money, that's not 13% 14,15, that's free. And I would go into a million dollars of 0% debt I have, and I will at the end if I can invest it and make 10,12, 20, 30% so people need to learn, debt is your friend. If you use it in a responsible, organized and educated way, it is absolutely your enemy if you're using it to buy lifestyle crap. So like, debt is such a weird thing. Keith and I don't care how long I've had clients, if they grew up with a lot of debt and a negative impact around money, they can be a millionaire and still have this weird relationship to death. Oh my god, debt, and it's literally. They tremor. It's like it's just money, and there's plenty of it. It's just the cost of it. Or is it being paid to you, or are you paying it out and arbitraging that that range could build. I mean, that alone, if you just learned that strategy and applied it on top of your real estate strategy, would triple, if not 10x your portfolio,   Keith Weinhold  20:19   like we say around here at GRE financially free beats debt free. You understand the difference? So does our audience. A lot of people don't. In fact, trying to retire your debt and slow your progress toward being financially free. I love it. Yep, you know what's funny, Laurel, just like you're coming on this show today, sometimes I'm a guest on other shows, and the way I've started to have the host introduce me to say, Hey, if you want your show to get some attention, say that our guest today, me has millions of dollars in debt, and he has from a young age that attracts attention. They think it's a negative thing. They don't know that my debt is outsourced to tenants. They don't realize a net worth statement. That's only the debt side of the column. We haven't talked about the asset side of the column, so it's really just an example of being paradoxical and iconoclastic. There we move beyond the mindset Laurel. I know you have some really actionable things on how you can help people build wealth quickly. Tell us about that.    Loral Langemeier  21:16   So again, using debt is a massive piece of it. I'll just talk about some of the stories, like when I got into real estate in 1999 real estate in 1999 I lived in Marin, California, Sausalito, specifically right on the water. I shouldn't be on one side, right the San Francisco Bay. And got pregnant at 19 January, 8 was like, Oh, little sticks like, Oh, I'm gonna be my mom. And I knew I'd be a single mom. So I entered parenting as single mom, and I struck that, you know, another check for $25,000 seems to be the number for a real estate mentor that I've been kind of putting off. And I said, Oh, it's time. I said, so right now let's go. I have nine months. And he said, Why do we have nine months? I said, I'm really close to being millionaire, but I gotta hit millionaire status. And I need this much cash flow by my 34th birthday, which was June that year. I said, because in September, I'll be having a baby. And he went, what dropped the phone, and so he said, All right, so I wired him the money, and he said, meet me in Oklahoma City the next day. Yeah, well, there's a ticking clock. Yeah, there was my timeline nine months. But we went straight to the streets. And I think for the for me, I was privileged to be with a whole team, and I don't think I am a massive advocate. If you don't know what you're doing and you haven't done it, why take 100% risk in any industry that you've never played so I only got 15 20% of that run. But here's what I came with. In 1999 I knew how to build a database because Bob Proctor taught me that. So during the cash flow era, I bought my own inventory, took out debt, bought $500,000 of games, put them in my own warehouse so I could collect my own database. So from 96 to 99 I had acquired 18,000 people who had bought Rich Dad, Poor Dad books, cash flow, cash flow, 101202, all his the products, and I had my own financing. So I was doing my own product. I had my own stuff. And all this is a big backstory, because a lot of you in real estate don't have a database. And here's the value I brought to that team that earned me another almost 10, 15% of equity is I brought 18,000 people, and when they saw that, they're like, you could help us raise the money, I said, I don't know to raise money. And they said, we do so again, I bought my way into a team for 25,000 in a mentoring program. There's about 10 of us that met in Oklahoma City, went down to Norman, and within less than a month, we raised $16 million out of that database. They did. I didn't know how to do it again. I sat on the sideline, but highly mentored and guided. So I was on a winning team from the beginning. We bought so much real estate, and then we went into the remodel. And so right then it's like, well, let's own the construction company, so that way we could get better buys. We can buy for the whole street. We can buy for the whole apartment. So we bought we started construction companies. We started being the distributor of the windows and doors in Oklahoma. We did that in Kansas. Now we do flooring as part of the distribution. We've done stoves. I mean, you name it, if you're going to buy it, buy it from yourself, or some way that you get paid extra. And then, like I told you before we went on the show, I would have the property management company. So we would start that, which was then came along with the cleaning companies. Gotta have the cleaning companies, the cleaning crews, the hauling crews. You're gonna pay one 900 got junk, buy your own truck, lease your own truck, haul your own stuff, and then rent it out lease it to others. So when we say cash flow fast in real estate, I went all in. So I own 51% of every property management company, and I put a ad in the paper for an electrician or a plumber, because they were mine most of two expensive things. And so they became partners. And I just made a lot of stuff, quite frankly, but I made it up with a lot of mentoring and guidance, of which those guys are still great, great friends of mine. We still own a little bit of property together. We went to Mexico and did a whole run through Mexico. The team was the most vital part. And what I say to folks in real estate, if you want to go big is you better get a database. I just find key that so many people in real estate don't understand. The Association of having a database, and the way I describe it is, today I might not want to buy, but if you don't have my name, phone number and email, and you don't continue to market to me the day, I am ready to buy or sell, you're no longer on my radar because you're not keeping in touch with me. Your job is an agent, a broker, an investor, I mean, is to build this database of people who then will go along with you on a journey. And I can tell you, it was a very blessed to have done it that way, but that 18,000 is what helped me become a millionaire. Because I had the people. I didn't know what to do with them. I didn't know how to raise my I didn't know anything about a PPM. I knew nothing, but I learned it all, and I was under a very, very successful. You know, decades and decades of success team. So, you know, they were 20,30, years my senior, but boy, I learned. I really leaned into it. And I think people do buy into programs and mentoring communities, but they don't do the work. And I see it all the time, I don't know how many people, and I'm holding up my millionaire maker book, and then this latest one, which is how I made my kids millionaires on paper at 10, again, by using trust real estate. Put them in my real estate company, shareholders,   Keith Weinhold  26:05   make your kids millionaires. Is the title of the book you just held on that second one.   Loral Langemeier  26:10   That one's a 2022, that was my latest best seller, and how I did it with my kids. And again, this back to The Parenting. So I can go a lot of ways, Keith, but I think the do it fast is go wider. I think so many people just go into buying just the asset, and they don't like I'm in the cannabis space right now in Nevada, legal. I'm an illegal cannabis I have licenses and very similar, if you're going to go in and you say seed to sale, you own everything like so I mean, the guy who's running my farm, he owns the label makers. He owns the, I mean, if you name it, he owns the nutrient company, because you need nutrients for the plant you're going to own. You're going to own. So the more you own of what you do and you have to pay, the more you keep your cash flow. And again, I see that mistake with real estate people subbing all the work to so many people. It's like there's so much cash that just went out that could be at least a percent of that could have stayed home with you. Sure   Keith Weinhold  26:59   100% there's an awful lot there. You're a big believer in vertical integration, in bringing in all these levels and stages of construction and management and so on, and bringing them in house. And yeah, it's interesting. You talk about the importance of the team. Here, we talk about how your team, whether that's your property manager, your mortgage loan officer, your 1031 exchange agent, how your team is actually even more important than the property itself. And yeah, when it comes to having a database these names Laurel, it's amazing, in a way, reassuring, in a high tech world with AI, that it still comes down to that primordial human connection of people and who you know you're the listener. As you've listened to Laurel, you could probably tell that she was a star student, which is why she's now a star teacher and mentor so much more when we come back with Laurel Langemeier, this is Get Rich Education. I'm your host. Keith Weinhold.   you know what's crazy? Your bank is getting rich off of you. The average savings account pays less than 1% it's like laughable. Meanwhile, if your money isn't making at least 4% you're losing to inflation. That's why I started putting my own money into the FFI liquidity fund. It's super simple. Your cash can pull in up to 8% returns and it compounds. It's not some high risk gamble like digital or AI stock trading. It's pretty low risk because they've got a 10 plus year track record of paying investors on time in full every time. I mean, I wouldn't be talking about it if I wasn't invested myself. You can invest as little as 25k and you keep earning until you decide you want your money back, no weird lockups or anything like that. So if you're like me and tired of your liquid funds just sitting there doing nothing, check it out. Text family to 66866, to learn about freedom. Family investments, liquidity fund again. Text family to 66866.   hey, you can get your mortgage loans at the same place where I get mine at Ridge lending group NMLS, 42056, they provided our listeners with more loans than any provider in the entire nation because they specialize in income properties. They help you build a long term plan for growing your real estate empire with leverage. You can start your pre qualification and chat with President Caeli Ridge personally. Start Now while it's on your mind at Ridgelendinggroup.com that's Ridgelendinggroup.com.   Hal Elrod  29:43   This is Hal Elrod author of The Miracle Morning and listen to get it rich education with Keith Weinhold, and don't quit your Daydream.   Keith Weinhold  30:01   Welcome back to get rich education. We have a well known name in the finance space. For decades, Laurel Langemeier with us. She has done an awful lot of real estate investing in her career, and as you can tell, she's got her own recipe, her own formula. She does things differently, she integrates. She brings things in house. Has multiple companies, and Laurel knows that you can be a profiteer when you serve the customer or the tenant, really, to the maximum amount. A lot of people have a gap there, and there's an opportunity cost. And Laurel, I know that one way you serve people is with Airbnbs in the Ozark region of Arkansas. Tell us about what you're doing there. That's really interesting.   Loral Langemeier  30:41   So we bought pretty big houses, and a few of them we actually the one we were remodeling it, and that's when we really got to know the Ozarks. And there's a lot of tentacles. And so to get, like, from the properties we were buying to where you would rent a boat or a jet ski or get your watercraft, it was all the way around the lake. I mean, that's two lane roads, and it just took forever. And I thought, well, let's so we have another LLC that we bought some boats and jet skis. And again, when you get to know what do people really go to the Ozarks part that we call it the Redneck Riviera. They go to party. They go to party more than they need some bougie house to stay in. That's not what they really come they want to stay on the docks. So instead of putting a lot of money, we said, how can we force Do we have one property has 22 beds, so 22 people can sleep, but they just barely sleep there because they party. So we put more money in rehabs, into the dock, expanding the dock, big sound systems, a big bar, refrigerators, just made it super fun. And then when the tenants come, they don't just rent for the night. We also give them. We'll get your groceries and booze. We'll stock your bar down on the dock if you want. We'll pull up our boats and jet skis. So we had our own small fleet. Again, we just stacked on more service. So when the tenants arrived, a we got, you know, anywhere between depending on the boats and the jet skis and the tubes and all the ropes and everything they wanted, water skis. I mean, whatever they wanted to rent. Basically, we became like a rental company, and everybody freaked out, and they said, Oh my gosh, you're going to get killed in insurance. You're not. I mean, yeah, it's a lot more planning, and it's more work to get all that prepared. But that was anywhere between 500 to 1000 more a night in just the Airbnb. So again, why? If you're going to do one thing, do more for them, the more you serve a client, I don't care what area it is, yeah, the more you serve people, the more money you will make, because they're going to buy it, they're going to have to go get their booze on their own. They're going to have to go get groceries like that's a whole day of getting all that gear to their property versus, let us just save you a day on your holiday and let us do it all for you. There's so many creative ways that you could just serve people, and if you don't know what to do, ask them, What a novel concept. I do surveys all the time, like always doing polling and surveys. Hey, I'm a money expert. What do you want me to talk about? That's what right now, if you really look at a lot of my YouTube and a lot of my social media, people want reduced taxes. So like, I'm doing a heavy, heavy lift, because it was a survey that told me to do it, not just because Laurel decided to do it. And I think so many of you don't realize your audience will tell you what they want and how they want to be served. If you're listening, that's how you make money. And so many people as you know too Keith, that come as the entrepreneur saying, This is what I'm going to teach you. Well, nobody asked, nobody asked for that content. You wonder why it's not working. Is because you're pushing your agenda versus pulling and giving and serving their agenda?   Keith Weinhold  33:23   Well, that is a great point. How do you know what people want? Two words ask them, which is exactly what you're doing there and the way that you're adding value and amenities onto a property there, like with what you're doing with Airbnbs in the Ozarks. It actually brings up a thought for another Jim Rohn quote. Jim Rohn said money is usually attracted, not pursued. Tenants are attracted to your rental units, new luxurious floors, and you'll soon profit when they compete over it.   Loral Langemeier  33:52   Yeah, it's a lot of this stuff. It's not difficult. It's just different. And I use that saying all the time because people are like, Oh my gosh, it's so scary. He said, It's not scary. The only reason why people put fear and risk and that kind of negative energy and words, you know, language around, I think real estate or money or any of that, is the lack of knowledge. Because if they don't know, anything that you don't know is scary, like you and I talked before the show about aliaska. I mean, if you don't know how to ski and you try to go to aliaska, good luck. You would be scared out of your mind. But once you learn, it's exhilarating. And I find out with everything. So anything you approach and just notice the hesitation, is it because you need to learn it then lean in and find the best in class to teach you and like, shortcut your learning curve. You don't have to study for years and years and years and years. Becoming an entrepreneur is a decision right now, today, in two minutes, make a decision, and then get to work on what your offers are. You say, Well, what am I going to offer? People ask them, and they'll tell you what they're going to buy from you, because they're buying stuff all day long in this economy, they are buying and going to continue to buy.   Keith Weinhold  34:56   If you yourself have a question for Laurel, you can always ask. Ask it at Ask loral.com L, O, R, A, L and Laurel, what are some of the more outstanding questions that you get over there, and how do you help them with some of the most important ones?   Loral Langemeier  35:12   I'd say the number the biggest flood of content and questions right now is, how do we reduce taxes? I made up this term called the tax trifecta, because what affects your tax return is how you make your money. If you're just an employee, meaning a w2 like in America, that's what it's called. And Kiyosaki said it best in Rich Dad Poor about there's two tax systems. You're an employee, you're going to get tax pieces. You live on what's left. You're an entrepreneur, and you make money inside of a company. You activate 81,000 pages of tax code, and then you pay tax. So you decide how, where you want to pay tax. I call this living corporate life. So when how you make your money inside, what kind of a company? Right? And then activate the 81,000 pages of code for the deductions. Like I teach my people, they'll never go on a vacation. They're gonna have a business trip. And when you're in real estate, you can go anywhere in the world legally on a business trip, as long as you do what's required to actually make it a business trip by looking at real estate, and it's not that difficult. I mean, the reason I'm in a lot of different businesses is my kids have never been on a vacation. I don't take vacations because they're not deductible. I take business trips. So I teach families how to employ their kids. How to do all of that, like, how do you activate your kids? I mean, when my son was born in 1999 he was employed day one. He had Roth IRA By the second day of his life, and he was funded every day. And he's 25 now, just that one move made him a millionaire, just the one move of maximizing your Roth IRA strategically using it to invest in real estate. So I use a lot of participating notes. I did all sorts of different plays to grow their Roths tax free, tax deferred. So I'm super active about the whole family being in a real estate business. I think real estate is it's the first one I went after, and it's still the first one I tell lots of families. I mean, it's got to be in your portfolio. I still own a lot of commercial real estate, some residential, I said, in the Ozarks, but most of mine went commercial within the last especially COVID, I went all commercial for the most part, besides a few pieces of residential. Back to what do I that tax trifecta, how you make money, how you activate the tax code. And then the biggest one that nobody in financial planners will not tell you about it, your tax, your CPA, won't tell you about it. TurboTax is never going to tell you about it. It's how you invest in alternatives. So real estate, obviously, is a big one. Gas and oil is a massive one. Aviation, water rights, mineral rights, conservation easements, carbon credits, those are the ones that affect your tax, because you get the depreciation schedules. So it's how you make it, how you use deductions and how you invest collectively makes up your tax. And so those are the kind of questions key some category of that, like I told you before the show, I have a new guy that just joined by over $20 million of real estate and only a few LLCs, no S corp, no C Corp, no trust. I'm like, and then you have these ridiculous insurance agents who say insurance will cover it all. You don't need to have an LLC or an S corp RC. You do? You do too. I would never live on just insurance that is such as 1960s conversation, like you guys got to grow up?   Keith Weinhold  38:17   Yeah? Well, you know, totally. And you mentioned Rich Dad, and it's really the Cash Flow Quadrant. And one thing that the Cash Flow Quadrant helps delineate is you touched on it your tax treatment. Tom wheelwright is the most frequent guest that we have ever had here on the show, being the tax guy coming from the rich dad school. And Tom wheelwright was really the first one to inform us that something like 98 to 99% of the tax code is actually a road map for where the deductions are. Only one or 2% of maybe are the tax tables and what you must pay almost all the rest of it, is this roadmap to give you a guaranteed ROI if you follow it, something that you don't usually get in investing. And you brought up a few interesting tax strategies there. I think one of them is how you employ your kids and get deductions that way, while your kids learn. Tell us more about that.   Loral Langemeier  39:11   I mean, when Logan was two, I put him out. He was painting buildings. He was around all sorts of, you know, title companies and closing tables. And then my daughter's same thing. So I take them with me. There's again, part of parenting is they have to be involved in your life. And I think so many parents just leave their kids home. They leave them with the device or their phone or some iPad. None of us have it like if they're gonna sit at a time, you know, a closing table, then I want them if they may not know everything at that moment, but that experience in that environment of just being a natural environment for them to know, to do business deals. It changes them. Changes your kids drastically. And then fast forward, when my kids are 18, they get an LLC for their birthday, and they're added on shareholders in a bigger way, because then I use again the roadmap. Because, you know, well, I always. Laugh, I say, but people read fiction novels and junk whatever. I'm reading the tax code. I think the tax code is the most creative, freeing body of work that has ever been done. It's fascinating. It's so creative. My son's becoming a CPA because of it. So when my son went to school, he was on a football scholarship. He played for Georgia, Southern starting center five years because I'm a single mom and I only make $42,000 I don't even own a phone. I don't own a car. I don't own a home, actually, because it's held in LLC It's an estate property   Keith Weinhold  40:32   I put or on paper or on papers.    Loral Langemeier  40:34   No companies own it all and trust on it all. So I own nothing like I literally live Rockefeller style, and I teach people that this really was beyond the millionaire maker stuff. But my point with the kids is then when he goes to school. So instead of going every Friday to watch him play football, on a Saturday, I went on a business trip to see my son, and he and I actually are looking again. That's in states pro Georgia, where Georgia's other is buying some apartments that we can then back into, and then then we go to the athletic department, and we know how much they will guarantee rent paying scholarship men to live in our apartment, like there are so many cool ways, and that that's how my son will get involved. So during all of my trips to watch him, Yes, I took one hour to watch him play football. Otherwise, I went to see my business partner. So my point is, and when he came home, he had to come home, not to just come home, but he came home to see his business partner happened to be his mom. So there's a way to put your kids into these businesses early and put them through school, have school that can't be written off. And even though he's done a scholarship, all that travel was still not a deduction, unless we structured it as a deduction to the real estate company. There's so many strategies that I honestly, Keith, I made a lot of these up. And I went to, you know, my top tax team, and I said, why can't we do this? I said, I want this to be done. Tell me the legal way to do it, and then they would guide me. So then I just turn around and I teach other people that when you do your own taxes, number one, you're not educated enough to do your own taxes, so why people do Turbo Tax or even H R Block? I mean, that's where kindergarteners play. And if you want to be a millionaire, you have to get experts around the table that really know what they're doing. I mean, a proper tax strategist at the level we have, and I have, like, 28 people on my financial teams that integrate. I mean, they have masters of accounting. So they've gone to school five and six years. They've sat for four exams and had 2000 hours of audit. So whenever, like an engineer or somebody, even a real estate investors, try and do their own taxes, I'm like, it's a highly, highly skilled expertise. So anyway, I could go into the team approach. I don't think Keith, I know so many people are so close to getting it really all right, but their sequence is completely out of order, and they're just at call tax and invisible paying. You're just used to it. You're just used to paying it because you think you have to. And you've been scared by the media that it's this big, scary thing, and the IRS is going to come get you. It's like, no, they're not. This is legal to do all this stuff. You just have to do it right and document it right   Keith Weinhold  42:57   right. And that's part of your team, your tax team, and that's another good ROI. If you pay a tax preparer and strategist 5k which is more than most people, maybe they're making you 10x that or more with their knowledge of the tax code. And for you, the listener that might find the tax code to be dry reading, you know, for a lot of people, you're probably right that it is dry reading. But if you think of it this way, if I act on what I read, then I am getting paid for what I'm reading here in the IRS tax code. Well, Laurel, do you have any just last thoughts, overall, whether that's about wealth, mindset or real estate or anything else, as we're winding down here   Loral Langemeier  43:35   any question ever you just go to ask Laurel, A, S, K, L, O, R, E, L, ask questions. Make a request you can ask about I have online events. You can ask for free tickets. You can ask her ebooks. So ask her whatever you want. We're super generous on giving gifts away to especially our new listeners and new folks. But a lot of it's, I'm going to say it's active engagement. That's a term I've used as I walked into 25 and I look at the people I've made over 10,000 millionaires, probably 12, 14,000 by now. But the difference between those who make it and those who still struggle is active engagement. I'm showing this on your screen just to have it on video, but I got this magic wand because people say I have a magic wand. I said, I do. I naturally now officially have one, and it comes with pixie dust. But it doesn't really matter. It won't work. I can't just, you know, anoint you with my little wand, and all of a sudden it's magically going to change. You have to actively, like you said, study the IRS code, study my books like my millionaire maker is a blueprint for how to be a millionaire. So there's seven families in the book. Pick which one you're closest to and what you've done to yourself, and then start the pattern, and there's a pattern and a sequence for everybody, for seven different kinds of family, and what you've done to yourself. And I also live the last kind of words I would say to people is that I've been doing this way too long. I have no judgment, no criticism about what you did to yourself. A lot of people are ashamed or embarrassed, like I can't believe I'm this old and I should be farther along. So what now? What is my. Saying, so what happened or how you got here? What do you want to do about it now? So we start with a new, fresh line and stand and let's go and you can create anything you want with the right team around you and the right initiative. So just know you'll be actively engaged in this. This isn't me, doing it for you or to you. It's with you, and you have to own it. You have to own your own wealth. Nobody else cares about it more than you.   Keith Weinhold  45:23   these strategies work as long as you do. Laurel, it's been a great mindspring of ideas for the listener here. Thanks so much for coming onto the show.   Loral Langemeier  45:32   Thank you. Appreciate it. Look forward to hearing from many of you and helping you out.   Keith Weinhold  45:35   Oh, yeah, a wide range of expertise from Laurel Langemeier there. And you know, we're talking about the awareness of the gap between who you are and who you want to be earlier. Really, there could be a gap between how you're utilizing your rental property currently and what it could be Laurel found more ways, for example, to serve her short term rental tenants in the Arkansas Ozarks with providing boats and jet skis dockside to her tenants. In fact, there's a book all about this called the gap and the gain. It was published about five years ago, and let me tell you what it's about and maybe save you 10s of hours of reading most people, especially highly ambitious people, are unhappy because of how they measure their progress. We all have an ideal. You have an ideal. I have an ideal. It's a moving target that is always just out of reach. Well, when you measure yourself against that ideal, you're in the gap. However, when you measure yourself against your previous self, you're in the gain measuring your current self versus your former self, that can have enormous psychological benefits. That's how you can feel like you're making progress, and that gives you confidence, and you make more progress. You might have only owned two rental properties last year, and you're going to have four this year. So you want to make that comparison, don't make the comparison that Ken McElroy has 10,000 units and you never will big thanks to the driven and experienced Laurel Langemeier, today, I feel like she has a narrow gap between who she is and who she could be.    There is a lot happening here at GRE in our newsletter called The Don't quit your Daydream letter. 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541: Will a Boomer Selloff Make Housing Prices Crash?, This Vice is Destroying Young Men

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Keith discusses the impact of baby boomers on the housing market, noting that contrary to popular belief, many boomers are choosing to age in place. He also addresses the negative effects of gambling, particularly sports gambling, on young men, including financial ruin and increased bankruptcies. 54% of baby boomers state that they will never sell their homes.  People aged 55+ own more than half of U.S. homes. The overall population growth in the US has grown at its fastest rate since 2001, reaching over 340 million. Millennials and Gen Z, the largest generations, are driving future housing demand.  Resources: GRE Free Investment Coaching:GREmarketplace.com/Coach Show Notes: GetRichEducation.com/541 For access to properties or free help with a GRE Investment Coach, start here: GREmarketplace.com Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Invest with Freedom Family Investments.  You get paid first: Text FAMILY to 66866 Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review”  For advertising inquiries, visit: GetRichEducation.com/ad Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free— text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Complete episode transcript:   Automatically Transcribed With Otter.ai    Keith Weinhold  0:01   Welcome to GRE. I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. All the baby boomers are about to sell off their homes and downsize, unleashing a glut of supply onto the market, and housing prices crash. Is there cogency to that theory or not? I give you a definitive answer, the Trump bump, then later, a pernicious vice is destroying more people's lives today, especially young men and almost no one is talking about this. It's leading to lower credit scores, more bankruptcies and even more suicides today on get rich education   since 2014 the powerful get rich education podcast has created more passive income for people than nearly any other show in the world. This show teaches you how to earn strong returns from passive real estate investing in the best markets without losing your time being a flipper or landlord. Show Host Keith Weinhold writes for both Forbes and Rich Dad advisors and delivers a new show every week since 2014 there's been millions of listener downloads of 188 world nations. He has a list show guests and key top selling personal finance author Robert Kiyosaki, get rich education can be heard on every podcast platform, plus it has its own dedicated Apple and Android listener phone apps build wealth on the go with the get rich education podcast. Sign up now for the get rich education podcast or visit get rich education.com.   Corey Coates  1:25   You're listening to the show that has created more financial freedom than nearly any show in the world. This is get rich education.   Keith Weinhold  1:41   Welcome to GRE from Hyannis, Massachusetts to Hiram, Utah and across 188 nations worldwide. I'm Keith Weinhold, and you are inside get rich education episode 541 just another slack jawed and snaggletoothed podcaster here now a popular, I suppose, media narrative that's been out there for a long time is this premise that US housing prices are going to crash hard because all the aging baby boomers are going to sell their homes, and Boomers are the biggest generation in all of American history. This is just going to magnify the price collapse. It means far more home sellers than buyers. So soon enough, sellers will have to keep cutting prices. Everyone's going to undercut everybody to compete with all of these for sale homes. So as a result, everybody's property values are going to collapse today. Let's look at how bad it will get. Should you get ahead of this and sell it all now and then? I'll even tell you when this popular narrative will supposedly happen with boomers selling en masse, or won't it happen at all. That's what we're looking at, the term silver tsunami. You've probably heard that thrown around in the real estate world. It actually refers to pent up housing stock that older homeowners will eventually choose to sell, which would have that effect of flooding the market with all this new inventory. All right. Now let's define what we're talking about here. Baby Boomers are the generation born just after World War Two, between 1946 and 64 that makes them between the ages of 61 and 79 this year. Okay, so basically, these people are in their 60s and 70s. That's their age. My parents are baby boomers. President Trump is at the upper age limit for a boomer, but they're not all as old as you think. I mean the youngest baby boomers include Michelle Obama, Sandra Bullock and Rob Lowe. So not all boomers are like super old, but see, it is a big generation of over 76 million people. So whatever they do really moves the economy. And maybe you've heard it been said, My gosh, what if we have more dyers than buyers? But now a more nascent trend is that you hear about more and more boomers and people older than boomers not selling their home instead wanting to age in place. And that just means they want to stay in their home and not go to a nursing home or assisted living. And that was recently quantified in a survey that Housing Wire reported on it found that 54% of baby boomers say that they'll never sell their homes, some of them passing homes along as inheritance and see often that's because their home is paid off and assisted living care costs are through. To the roof, more than half of boomers don't have any mortgage at all. All right, so we've established that boomers aren't as old as most people think, and then a lot of them aren't planning to sell. But still, let's look for trouble here, because boomers are a huge group, and some portion of them are going to sell is they age, even if a lot of them say that they won't. How about the almost half of boomers with a mortgage? You know what? Here's the thing, if they downsized, like older people have traditionally done. I mean, my grandparents downsized long ago. But do you know what would happen if boomers downsized? Today? For most, their monthly mortgage payment would actually go up if they downsized. That's because of today's higher mortgage rates and home prices. And see, that's a financial reality that keeps them in place. They're never going to downsize. All right, so a lot of boomers are just not going to sell. But still, this wave of selling boomers crashing the housing market, this has been a popular narrative for, I don't know, maybe more than a decade. Now there's been a lot of smoke, so then where is the fire. That's another way to think about this. So there's got to be more to this. And there is, in fact, people age 55 plus, own more than half of the homes in the US. Did you know that? All right? Well, if we pull back from boomers, and let's just take a look at all homeowners of every age, people are staying in their homes longer, whether they're age 30 or 50 or 80, Americans now stay in the same home about 12 years. That is twice as long as 2005 Well, what that means is that homes don't come onto the market and people cannot buy what's not for sale. And then, of course, you've got the well documented interest rate lock in effect. That's a contributor here to people of all ages with 4% mortgages, they are reluctant to sell. And now what we're talking about here are demographics. Remember that quote, demography is destiny, the three word quote from 1800s era French philosopher Auguste Comte, and that's because it's completely predictable. If you're 32 years old today, in 10 years, you'll be 42 totally predictable. All right, if demographics could possibly crash housing crisis, let's step back and see what's going on with overall US, population growth. You know what? It just grew at its fastest rate since 2001 about a full 1% growth last year, yeah, we broke the 340 million population mark for the first time ever. And now, what about the portion that our immigrants, and what if a substantial amount of them get deported? I mean, after Trump settled into the White House for his second term, deportations began almost immediately. Is there enough population growth to buy from the boomers that do sell their homes? Well, if mortgage rates come down into the low fives, then maybe more boomers will sell and bring some more resale inventory onto the market. See, you need a good chunk, though, of buyers to come in from somewhere in order to support future housing prices. Well, where are those buyers going to be? Well, some people still don't realize that the largest generation in American history is, in fact, not baby boomers, it's millennials. They became the biggest group more than five years ago. In fact, Statista tells us that Gen Z isn't far behind them either. Yeah, Gen Z is almost as big as millennials as a group coming right behind them. And of course, this varies a little bit. Demographers parse the generations somewhat differently, but here's what the rise of the biggest generation means, millennials. They're aged 29 to 44 now, and there are over 70 million of them, and then almost as big the next group right behind them, Gen Z. They're ages 13 to 28 they alone number about 70 million themselves, even if you just completely leave the surge in immigration out of the picture and all the additional housing demand that immigration brings. So we're mainly just looking at the domestic side alone here. So. What's happened is that there were 4 million plus births per year from 1990 to 2010 providing a tailwind for housing demand through 2035, 2045, or later. Yeah, we had more births during many of those years than we did in the peak of the baby boom, which was 1957 like I've mentioned on the show before, the average age of a first time homebuyer is now a record high of 38 years old, per the NAR it's really taken a long time for some people to stop playing the video games and moving out of their parents basement. Okay, well, the peak birth year for the US was 2007 I just told you it was elevated between 1990 and 2010 but 2007 was that peak, alright? So take that peak and add 38 years to it, and you know what? The first time homebuyer demand is just going to continue to build, build, build, and not even reach its peak. Then until 2045 or so, the peak birth year 2007 plus 38 years, that is where the crush of future demand is coming from because that person born in 2007 on average, they're not even going to buy their first home until well into the 2040s   In fact, the number of Americans turning 35 every single year is High, and it just keeps increasing. It's over 4 million now, already up 25% since 2011 and this number of Americans turning 35 is going to keep rising for another decade or two. In fact, this year, it's going to approach 5 million Americans turning 35 new record territory coming. And I keep bringing this up because 35 is a key age, because by that time, almost everyone has moved out of their parents home, and so that's the time where people either need to rent or own themselves, pushing up both rents and prices, and that's why this wave of demand and pent up demand is just gonna keep coming. And by the way, those stats that I gave you there, they're all sourced from the US Census Bureau. I mean, this is exactly where the housing demand just keeps coming from. It's a big factor about why prices keep going up. The demand just keeps piling on, even though affordability worsened, the demand just keeps coming. And it's just going to keep on coming well in to the 2040s now it could very well ebb substantially by, say, the middle of the 2050s but we'll see, and that is still three decades away. And remember, all of this doesn't even include the additional population growth from immigration and how many non deportees that is going to add to the housing demand on top of this, and then, if that's not enough, there is even more future housing demand expected to come from the declining number of occupants per household. Yes, the reduced household size that Stokes housing demand. I touched on this with you a little before on a prior show. But let me go deeper as we continue to corrode this more dyers than buyers. Theory, as we break this down, people have smaller families today. I think everybody knows that back in 1960 there were 3.3 occupants per household. Today, it's just two and a half. And to give you a simple example of how this itself keeps stoking the housing demand, just say that there's a village of 100 people with three occupants per household, they would need 33 and 1/3 homes over time, when that drops to two occupants per household, that's the direction we're going now that same village needs 50 homes just in order to accommodate the shift in household structure. Well, 50 homes is 50% more than 33 and a third, well, that means 50% more homes are needed, and that's even in a scenario where the population stays the same. Yet it's not staying the same, it's rising, and the population is really rising fast for that key household form. Population age range of 35 to 38 years old. Fewer Americans are living together. I expect the housing market to continue shifting toward smaller household counts. One person households will keep rising. I expect that to be one of the most impactful housing trends of this entire 21st century, and it's also really helping fuel a loneliness epidemic, which is another subject unto itself. Well, the three main drivers of this rise in single person households is that first people are delaying those major life events compared to previous generations. They're attending school longer. They're marrying later. They're buying homes later. They're having children later. And as these events are postponed, the time some young adults spend living alone or without children increases. They're playing video games longer as well. The second driver of these single person households is falling. Birth rates when people have children, many are having fewer than previous generations, reducing the average household size. That's pretty obvious. And then third the population composition is getting older. And older, people tend to live with fewer people. If life expectancy rises, this component of the trend would only intensify. Yes, the whole Brian Johnson thing, he is the health influencer that says we now have alive, the first generation that's going to live forever due to advances in longevity in technology. I mean, my gosh, if he is right, what would that do to housing demand? I mean, and it would also push up our average age even more. Gosh, yet, at the same time that all this demand keeps pushing up. America already has a well publicized overall housing shortage of several million housing units. You already know that story well, construction has picked up a little, but not enough to keep up with demand. In fact, American housing supply is still about 30% below pre pandemic levels. So suffice to say, let me give you a satisfying definitive answer here, when are selling boomers going to crash housing prices? It is highly unlikely that that can even happen at all. In fact, you see fewer stories about this than you used to. More people have come to realize that it is just not happening. And looking at us demographics over the next few cycles, a lot more people will need homes demand continuing to exceed supply. This is why home prices should just keep rising from here. In fact, I have been an active single family rental property investor here myself, single family is where perhaps the greatest shortage is and the greatest demand is at the same time I am owning something that people are definitely going to need more of. Remember, demography is destiny, and they're going to pay more and more for it. When mortgage rates fall, it's probably going to bring in even more buying activity, and now all of this continued upward, long term, future price momentum for housing, of course, that all existed before Donald John Trump step into the White House to start his second term last month. I think the Trump factor, or Trump bump, you know what often gets somewhat exaggerated for what it can do to the economy and housing prices, right? I mean, I've talked to you before, it's about the decisions that you make more so than decisions that a politician makes, but Trump is doing some things on a pretty seismic level these nascent immigrant deportations, that obviously can increase the cost of labor you're exporting away your low cost labor with immigrant deportations. I mean, that is inflation tariffs, though some tariffs have been negotiated away for the time being, that's more inflation. So deportations mean wage increases. That's more inflation. Increased wages mean increased rents. Trump talks lower taxes. Lower taxes can then mean higher rent payments. Proposals to eliminate. Made taxes on tips over time and Social Security, that means that Americans and retirees are gonna have more disposable income. More income means higher rent collections, fewer delinquencies, and potentially rising home prices as affordability improves. That's a lot of the good news. It's not all rosy news. You better look out for high tax states salt adjustments that state and local income tax and a deduction cap could harm their property values. We're talking about places like California, New York and New Jersey, the 2017 Trump tax cuts and Jobs Act that gave real estate investors some really juicy benefits, like 20% pass through deduction for LLCs and bonus depreciation on rental properties and lower corporate tax rates too. Combined this stuff, it all keeps more money in your pocket and allows for bigger deals with better cash flow.    We're talking about Trump bump factors on the real estate market here, other proposals on the table, other things like tax breaks for domestic production that could boost us construction, leading to more badly needed housing supply that could lower building costs and investment opportunities in niche in growth markets. Remember opportunity zones, and then what about targeting wealthy investors? We'll see what happens, but Trump's plan removes tax breaks for hedge funds and billionaire sports owners. But could real estate investors get hurt a little on that side too? Maybe look for changes to the 1031 or depreciation strategies. But you know, the 1031 exchange has been around for over 100 years. I would be surprised if it went away completely, and yes, though they have been postponed, if 25% tariffs on Mexico and Canada do go into place and the countries retaliate, as they've been shown to do, it would add point seven 6% to US inflation and subtract 410 of a percent from US GDP growth. Aren't those two projections Interesting? Yeah, those estimates were compiled by the Yale budget lab. So adding about three quarters of a percentage point to the overall inflation rate with these tariffs. I mean everything we're talking about the price of your housing or your car tires or your tomatoes and romaine lettuce. I mean, that effect could take money out of people's pockets. Yes, we know that Trump wants to bring down interest rates, but I don't know how he's going to do that. I mean, as you know, more inflation correlates with higher rates, not lower ones. See, you just can't get it all. You just can't have it all. And of course, mortgage rates are not historically high. They've simply been normalized after years of being artificially low. Rates are normal. So normalized is really a term that I like to use. So really, to help summarize what I've shared with you here in the first half of the show, a housing price crash induced by a boomer sell off is not a thing. In fact, almost Oppositely, demographics in this pent up demand should raise up future home prices, and to a lesser extent, a Trump bump can as well. Yes, gosh, Trump just has an insatiable fascination for tariffs. It is truly amazing, and it has more stick to itiveness than say, Mark Zuckerberg, recent fascination with masculine energy and gold chains, that's for sure.   Hey, before we get into the pernicious vice that's destroying more people's lives today, especially young men and almost no one is talking about this, it's leading to lower credit scores, more bankruptcies and even more suicides. First, I've got some cool things to tell you. About two weeks ago here on the show event, host Robert Helms of the real estate guys and I invited you to join us on the terrific Investor Summit at sea, that cruise on the Caribbean. Besides the two of us, there are a number of other great faculty members. Robert Kiyosaki recently announced that he's going to be joining us on the faculty as well. So you'll get to meet and learn from Robert Kiyosaki, and if you happen to be a new listener, he is the top selling personal finance author of all time the. Rich Dad, Poor Dad, author, and he's been our guest here on the GRE podcast four times. Now, I hope to meet you, the listener, in person on the summit at sea in the Caribbean this June, starting out of Miami. Gosh, what an outstanding time that is. It's not a low cost event, however, the minimum cabin in interior cabin is $5,900 and they are more expensive from there if you get nicer accommodations. But all the details are there on GRE podcast episode 539 two weeks ago. I really hope you'll join us and then I can meet you in person.   Earlier this month, Trump established a US sovereign wealth fund, and when he did, I congratulated our frequent contributor here, macro economist Richard Duncan, because Richard championed the establishment of that fund for years. He presented to Congress about it, and Richard was the first ever GRE guest with us back here in 2014 on the Panama coffee farm investing that we've discussed here on the show, Villanova University reached out to them, and they're now collaborating together. It's something I find kind of cool, as a Pennsylvania native and one of my tightest best friends is also a Villanova alum, as for future episodes coming up on the show. Here, imagine if you had a property loan, yet you didn't have to make any payments, and if you did make payments on your loan, then every penny of that payment goes to principal, not to interest. Wouldn't that be incredible? Well, such a thing does exist, and it's not new or experimental or avant garde. People just don't know about this vehicle. We're going to discuss that right here on next week's show, along with some other vital mortgage topics. There are three ways to connect with our education at GRE you're listening to one of them right now, our flagship podcast. Also check out our get rich education YouTube channel, because that is different content than this show. That's the second way, and that show is also on other video first, platforms like get rich education on rumble, and finally, you'll have it all, all three when you get our weekly Don't quit your Daydream newsletter if you don't already get it free now, while it's on your mind, simply text GRE 266, 86, more. Next. I'm Keith Weinhold. You're listening to get rich education.    Hey, you can get your mortgage loans at the same place where I get mine, at Ridge lending group NMLS 420056, they provided our listeners with more loans than any provider in the entire nation because they specialize in income properties, they help you build a long term plan for growing your real estate empire with leverage. You can start your pre qualification and chat with President Caeli Ridge personally. Start Now while it's on your mind at Ridge lendinggroup.com that's Ridge lendinggroup.com    Oh geez, the initial average bank account pays less than 1% on your savings, so your bank is getting rich off of you. You've got to earn way more, or else you're losing your hard earned cash to inflation. Let the liquidity fund help you put your money to work with minimum risk, your cash generates up to a 10% return and compounds year in and year out. Instead of earning less than 1% in your bank account, the minimum investment is just 25k you keep getting paid until you decide you want your money back. Their decade plus track record proves they've always paid their investors 100% in full and on time. And you know how I'd know, because I'm an investor in this myself, earn 10% like me and GRE listeners are. Text family to 66866, to learn about freedom. Family investments, liquidity fund on your journey to financial freedom through passive income. Text family to 66866.   Robert Kiyosaki  29:31   this is our rich dad Poor Dad. Author Robert Kiyosaki, listen to get rich education with Keith Weinhold and Don't Quit Your Daydream.   Keith Weinhold  29:50   Welcome back to get rich Education. I'm your host. Keith Weinhold, every once in a while, there's an investing adjacent activity that becomes. Is pronounced or become such a trend that it just can't be ignored, and you need to know about it. I recently presented on how gambling is financially derailing so many people today, especially young men and sports gambling and what makes California and Texas special here, the two most populous states, by the way, you'll see, once they legalize this, it's gonna get worse. There are two states where it's not legal yet now investing in gambling. They are two distinctly different activities. Investing is different from gambling. When you invest, you're purchasing a stake in an asset that has value in an effort to generate profit. But gambling doesn't involve taking ownership of anything of value. Instead, betters are predicting the outcome of an event gambling. It's really not a side hustle. I mean, people are constantly losing their families and businesses over this. This will be all new material here on the show as usual, except for a short snippet that includes super CPA Tom Wheelwright. This is about 10 minutes in length. Shout out to the media team here at GRE on the production side. And then after this, I have more to tell you about real estate.    Speaker 1  31:30   America is in the midst of an historic surge in legalized gambling.   Keith Weinhold  31:37   This is the worst thing that people are now doing with their time and money today, it's not losing it to inflation, it's not playing video games. It's being a slack jawed gambling degenerate. We are in the midst of an historic surge in legalized gambling, and the devastation on gamblers, especially young men is a lot worse than you think. I've also got a giant ominous warning for you that seasoned gamblers don't even know about when I bring in my CPA for just a minute here today on the seriously punishing tax implications that should scare anybody out of gambling.    Hi, I'm Keith Weinhold, get rich education, founder, Forbes real estate council member, best selling, author, and long time real estate investor. Almost 60% of 18 to 24 year olds have placed at least one sports bet now that's per the NCAA, and that has surged so fast. I mean, just less than a decade ago, major pro sports leagues shunned gambling, disassociating with it because it was illegal in most places. The big turning point was 2018 that's when the Supreme Court ended a decades long ban on commercialized sports betting. 38 states and DC have now legalized it most with minimum age requirements set at 21 and the two biggest platforms are DraftKings and fam duel. They've got about 70% of the market. But look, you can do this if you're under 21 on platforms like prize picks and flip they offer betting like experiences. They operate under fantasy sports or sweepstakes, and having these apps on your phone that just brings the gambling right to you. It keeps it in your face and addictive. Now it's like you're sitting in a casino when you're on your living room so far, or in your bed or even in the bathroom, there is no escape. Two thirds of Americans live in a state where they can access it on their phones. And look how young some of these gamblers are, what they have to say. And then who's showing up in these gamblers Anonymous meetings   Speaker 1  33:56   today's world is the 16, 1718, year olds, 1921, year olds that get addicted years ago, before, unlike casinos, if we had a person coming in and they're 24 years old, it was rare. All right, now the norm, the real norm, it's kids coming in at 17 years old. That's the norm.    Keith Weinhold  34:16   Well, one big reason why it's such a problem is, look, you can't hide it, so that therefore others can't tell if you're gambling, because you're not, you know, shooting it into your veins, or you're not acting drunk, or you're not smoking anything. See, you can gamble without exhibiting a physical change, so therefore others don't know that you need help. And it is all over the place. I mean, gambling ads air on TV over 60,000 times a year. Celebrities endorse gambling. I mean, some teams put gambling ads right on the field. Brick and mortar sports books are even built inside some stadiums now, Caesars and bet MGM. There are two other big platforms that you might see out there, but I mean, in their commercials, yeah, they can put that one 800 gambler help number on screen and tell you things like, gamble within your limits. But look, here's the thing these platforms, they're not going to cut you off if you continue to lose and they profit. In fact, if you win disproportionately big time after time, and these platforms can kind of tell that you're too smart. You know what they do, like a casino that identifies a card shark in Vegas, they're either gonna curtail your activity or just totally cut you off, alright? So then, by definition, if you have an account in good standing at FanDuel or DraftKings, and you bet a lot, and they keep letting you play well, then you have just signaled to the entire world that you don't know what you're doing, and you are going to lose big, or you already have. I mean, that is baked into the cake. That's how the system works. So therefore these companies are basically mining America to find anyone stupid enough to keep placing these sports bets. Companies are profiting from this, and then states are too. I mean, they've collected billions in tax revenue and FanDuel and DraftKings, see, they're publicly traded companies, so this means that they have shareholders, and those shareholders, they want to see profit and growth. I recently asked decorated CPA and mega popular tax author Tom Wheelwright about tax rates on gambling for just a quick three minutes here. I mean, you won't believe how punishing This is.    Can you tell us about sports gambling taxes and how it's treated   Tom Wheelwright  36:43   yeah. So remember, all income is taxable. So that includes gambling winnings. They are taxable. In fact, you'll get a 1099 just like you would if you rendered services, you know, you'd get a 1099 right? Or you have interest income, you get 1099 you get 1099 from gambling. What you actually have to show is that you actually have gambling losses. So you have to track those gambling losses to show the IRS that you've got gambling losses. But your gambling losses can never be more than your gambling winnings. In other words, you don't you never get to generate a tax loss on gambling. So that means is, is that if you win $10,000 during the year, and you can prove that you lost $8,000 during the year, you're gonna be taxed on $2,000 but if you can't prove the 8000 you're gonna be taxed on 10,000 Yeah,   Keith Weinhold  37:39   so you the gambler have the burden of tracking this, and I guess tracking your losses. I'm not a gambler. How would one track their losses?   Tom Wheelwright  37:47   Oh, I would keep a detailed ledger. Personally, I'd probably have a separate bank account just for gambling. Gosh, that's the way I would do it. I'm not a gambler either. So by the way, it's also a good way to budget your gambling so they, you know, get in trouble, right? So just set up a separate bank account, put whatever money you say, I'm comfortable with this money, I'm going to gamble with this money, put in that bank account, and then you have a ledger that shows the money that went in and the money you lost, the money you won, and don't do anything but gambling in that bank account.   Keith Weinhold  38:18   Hey, that separate account's a great way to hide it from your spouse, not that I'm suggesting.   Tom Wheelwright  38:25   Well, interesting. You went there.   Keith Weinhold  38:29   I'm not a gambler at all. Can't even believe I was thinking that far ahead. What are the gambling tax rates like? They're ordinary   Tom Wheelwright  38:35   income tax rates. So gambling winnings are just ordinary income they're they're the same as your wages. They don't have social security taxes their income, just like any other kind of income, nothing special, okay?   Keith Weinhold  38:47   And this all applies to whether it's sports gambling or general gambling, like lotteries and sweepstakes.    Tom Wheelwright  38:53   Just remember, all incomes taxable unless the government says it isn't all income, okay? And then there's some types of income that are taxed at special rates, like capital gains, but gambling has no special rate, so it's just your ordinary income rates.   Keith Weinhold  39:09   Gosh, to me, it seems like it's, it's hard to break even with gambling over time, and then when you take the tax adjusted earnings that you get from it, you know, over the long term, you know, I just don't think Harris and Bally's Casino is really incentivized to inform gamblers on how punitive this can be with ordinary income tax rates applied to gambling winnings.   Tom Wheelwright  39:30   No, but they will send you your 1090, 9g I guarantee that.   Keith Weinhold  39:34    So can you imagine tracking all that and then paying all that in tax, and this is even if you're on the winning side and then keeping a separate bank account as well. And note that Tom and I were talking federal. There. It gets even worse. Some state laws are punishing, like New York, which has a 51% tax rate on mobile sports wagering bank. Up 28% since states have legalized this and credit scores have dropped now, California and Texas are the two big states, and they still haven't legalized sports gambling. They're the two big ones, and when they do, that's when you'll see more bankruptcy and more people, especially young men in financial ruin. I mean gamblers, Anonymous meetings are filled with people hooked on betting and on stock options trading too, and you know, Worse still, among addiction disorders, gambling has a comparatively high suicide attempt rate. And you know, understand that, while both involve risk, investing in gambling are two different things. When you invest, you're purchasing a stake in an asset that has value in an effort to generate profit. But gambling doesn't involve taking ownership of anything with value. Instead, betters are predicting the outcome of an event. Now, I gambled as a teen on sports, and back then, it was just a friend and I, we would each lay a $20 bill on top of the television at the start of like a Mets versus Phillies baseball game, and then it sure made the game more interesting to watch. There wasn't any sort of app to make it easy, suck me in and make it a recurrent practice. I haven't gambled since. Now that you're aware of the gravity of the problem, the best thing you can do for yourself is to delete those apps off your phone. Because look, I mean every gambler that had their lies flipped over and turned catastrophic at one time, they told themselves, you know, I'm doing this, but it's under control. I mean, everybody once said that the best thing you can do is delete FanDuel DraftKings and any other apps like that off of your phone right now and vow to never do it again. I hope you like that. You know, it's sort of interesting and introspective to me that I would produce a piece of media like this because I am a sports fan. I watched more of the NFL this past season than I have in a while. You know, I'm in a phase of my life, or I'm a pretty productive person, doing research and interviewing guests and producing GRE media. But you know, I justified watching more sports lately because there's room for an entertainment bucket in everyone's life. That's how I feel. And you know, I don't really watch movies. Most movies I watch feel like a waste of my time when I'm done after two hours, because I'm usually disappointed in it. If I ever watch movies, I gotta watch movies on the plane, because even if it was lousy, I got somewhere in the process. So in any case, now, if gambling is controlled, well, then it might be debatable about whether or not it's a vice, like, say you go to Vegas and have your $250 spending limit or whatever.    But just remember, every gambling degenerate once told themselves and everybody that they know that they've got it under control, but yeah, often they didn't around here, we champion owning real estate directly yourself, that is something that is in your control. So we're not talking about REITs, Real Estate Investment Trusts. That's just a publicly owned company and a group of them. It's not real estate tokenization. That means owning digital fractional shares of a property or a real estate investment. I mean direct whole ownership also means it's not a syndication now that might be worth doing, though, that means that you're pooling other investors money. It's not direct whole investing. If you are investing in someone else's syndication, meaning that you're a limited partner and direct real estate investing, it means not being a flipper or a wholesaler. Again, those things might be worth doing, but they're really time consuming, and they're not tax advantaged either. But when you own rental real estate directly yourself, you don't even need to be a landlord. If you choose not to you, then will not be that point of contact for your tenants when others manage it. And yes, because of the five ways that you're paid, you can make the case that real estate has hegemony over other assets, and for the demographic reasons and the inflationary reasons, like the ones that I told you about earlier today, real estate appears poised to continue as the. Hegemon. In fact, recently, so many global hedge funds have dumped every stock that they have, except for the real estate stocks. I shared that article with you in our newsletter recently. That's largely a tariff response. Let me tell you about real properties on GRE marketplace right now that are ripe for owning directly. I mean direct ownership. That's also the easiest to understand. You are paid rent by a tenant that lives there, often through your property manager, and unlike the out of control sports gambler, this is very much in your control. A brand new build single family rental in Columbiana, Alabama, that's just south of Birmingham. Rent is $1,925 the price is $269,900 over 1600 square feet, four, bed, two bath. Now with the new build, expect low maintenance costs. Is currently vacant, get an interest rate of six and three quarters percent with a 25% down payment on this new build, single family rental in Alabama. Then another sample here. This is interesting. The rent on this old build Davenport Iowa duplex is $1,900 which is about the same rent as the Alabama single family rental I just described. But yet the price for this Davenport duplex is just $183,000 Davenport is part of America's Quad Cities with a combined population of about half a million with both duplex sides. It's a combined square footage of almost 2700 square feet, five, bed, two, bath. They're on Brown Street in Davenport, and now, as favorable as those $1,900 combined duplex rents are, since this property is vintage, in fact, it's over 100 years old, you better check closely on the renovations that were made to the property and have plenty set aside for any maintenance and repairs as well, with a 25% down payment, expect an interest rate of just six and one quarter percent. And there are more financing details there. And of course, rates are always changing. The last one I'll mention is this new build, another duplex, this one in Inverness, Florida. This is really interesting too. And now, what do you think when you think of Florida, real estate? Does climate change come to mind? For some people, it does. For some it doesn't, maybe even rising sea levels over the long term. Well, Inverness, Florida is 15 to 20 miles inland, and it's 50 feet above sea level. How about high insurance rates? Does that come to mind with Florida? Well, they're not so high on new build properties, since they're built to today's stringent hurricane standards. Is Florida temporarily over built, even though the nation, in aggregate is under built? Yes, some Florida markets are overbuilt, and that's how you could potentially snag a deal and get this with 25% down, you can get an interest rate as low as four and three quarter percent, yes, and that's showing with zero buyer paid discount points, the combined rent from both sides of this new build Inverness duplex is estimated at $2,830 of course, often you need to estimate a rent range or make an estimate on the projected rent for new builds, because often they're not occupied yet, since they were just built, sales price of just a touch under 420k on the Inverness duplex, and as just one of the five ways you're paid the cash on cash return is projected at 5% yes, your return goes up into the positive cash flow zone when your mortgage rate is as low as four and three quarters percent. I mean, that is really attractive. It also comes with a year of free property management. So there you go, a new build single family rental in Alabama, an old duplex in Davenport, Iowa, and a new build duplex with just killer incentives in Inverness, Florida, and that's just the sampling of real estate pays five ways type of properties. We either help you get started or continue on your path to financial freedom and help you do that. With our completely free investment coaching, we work with you to help you with these properties or others like them or none at all, if it's not in your best interest to invest now at GRE marketplace.com All you need to do to get started from GRE marketplace.com is click on the coaching area and you can get on the calendar for a free strategy session until next week, I'm your host, Keith Weinhold, don't quit your Daydream.   Speaker 2  50:35   Nothing on this show should be considered specific personal or professional advice. Please consult an appropriate tax, legal, real estate, financial or business professional for individualized advice. Opinions of guests are their own. Information is not guaranteed. All investment strategies have the potential for profit or loss. The host is operating on behalf of get rich Education LLC, exclusively, Chris,   Keith Weinhold  51:03   The preceding program was brought to you by your home for wealth, building, getricheducation.com  

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533: GRE's 2025 Home Price Appreciation Forecast

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Keith unveils our 2025 National Home Price Appreciation Forecast. Learn the factors driving the housing market and discover why Keith's predictions have been spot-on for the past 3 years. Gain the insights you need to make strategic real estate moves in the year ahead. Don't miss this must-listen episode packed with actionable real estate insights. The Fannie Mae home purchase sentiment index rose, indicating growing consumer confidence. Trump's immigration and tariffs policies and their potential impact on housing demand and labor market disruption. Hear about the impact of the under supply of housing in the US and the potential impact on home prices. Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review” or for Spotify. 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Learn the factors that really move prices. Importantly, I follow up and you get the results of previous years forecasts too. Will it be a holly jolly forecast or more Grinch like today on Get Rich Education.     Mid-south home buyers. I mean, they're total pros, with over two decades as the nation's highest rated turnkey provider, their empathetic property managers use your ROI as their North Star. So it's no wonder that smart investors just keep lining up to get their completely renovated income properties like it's the newest iPhone. They're headquartered in Memphis and have globally attractive. Cash Flows, an A plus rating with a better business bureau and now over 5000 houses renovated. There's zero markup on maintenance. Let that sink in, and they average a 98.9% occupancy rate, while their average renter stays more than three and a half years. Every home they offer has brand new components, a bumper to bumper, one year warranty, new 30 year roofs. 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Course, it's all completely free. It's called the Don't quit your Daydream letter. It wires your mind for wealth, and it couldn't be easier for you to get it right now just text GRE to 66866, while it's on your mind, take a moment to do it right now. Text GRE to 66866.   Corey Coates  3:12   you're listening to the show that has created more financial freedom than nearly any show in the world. This is get rich education.   Keith Weinhold  3:28   Welcome to GRE from North port, Florida to North Pole, Alaska and across 188 nations worldwide. I'm Keith Weinhold, and you are listening to get rich education episode 533 Yes, your favorite slack jawed real estate podcaster here is indeed the GRE founder. I'm also an active Forbes real estate council member, best selling author. I write our weekly Don't quit your Daydream newsletter. And perhaps most importantly, I am an active real estate investor, I am here to help you invest well in real estate, and that is because most Americans have enough saved for an absolutely incredible single day of retirement. Look the content that you choose to listen to will shape your behavior, it'll even gradually alter your identity over time and forge your dreams. Middle class financial advice will keep you squarely in the middle class. They get robbed of the fruits of their labor through taxes. Get robbed of their purchasing power through inflation, and they get robbed of their financial future by staying financially illiterate. I mean, if you're grinding hard and sacrificing experiences to be debt free at 36 well then that means you aren't using other people's money. You, it confirms that you've got no leverage. Why celebrate that? Celebrate financial freedom or a great vacation, or, you know, anything else, like with your friends and family to the Canary Islands. I mean, that's stuff that's worth celebrating, that's extraordinary in this one and only life that you got. I love the old African proverb, if you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together. You and I are on this journey together. Dream of living the life where you just give a light touch to some of your investments while they are building your wealth, just adjust the sales of your ship a little here and there. Now. We'll get into the big picture real estate forces in my exact percent home price appreciation figure shortly. But doesn't that sound amazing where you can just do this? I mean, that's what I do. I just give a light touch to my investments. For example, at the beginning of this month, I looked at the statements as they came in in emails from my property managers in various real estate markets, like I usually do now when you have a perfect month as a real estate investor, US landlords, or should I say, housing providers, acknowledging last week's show we develop our own vernacular. A perfect month is when you have 100% rental occupancy and no repair items. Once though you have more than about five rental units, it's hard to ever have a perfect month. It's always good to budget something toward long term vacancy and maintenance. But I had a pretty good month last month. For some reason, my properties needed a few new appliances, a replaced fridge. Here, a new microwave. There, a lot of appliances like a fridge, you know, they can still look pretty close to new, even if they're used. That's fine for a rental. This was just a $280 fridge replacement, for example, in this one rental, single family home of mine. So yeah, just that monthly scan of your property manager statement, seeing that income and expenses look kind of reasonable to you, and then going about your day and the rest of your month. Now, it wasn't always that way for me. As I started and grew, I self managed my own properties for the first six or seven years, and sometimes, you know, something will happen where I want to get more proactive and maybe take, say, a 90 minute block of time to shop for lower insurance premiums if I see those rates rising in a certain market or something like that, but that's how it feels to give a light touch to your active direct real estate investments. Keep that going, because this is all happening while you keep other people's money working for you, the banks, the governments and the tenants.    Hey, something that's become newsworthy, an index measuring consumer confidence in the housing market, rose again last month, and that is the latest sign that potential property buyers and sellers are growing more accustomed to today's mortgage rates and prices. The Fannie Mae home purchase sentiment index that has now increased to 75 points. So the index has risen 11 points or more than 16% in the last year. So there is, however, not one shred of evidence, for example, that sub 3% mortgage rates are coming back anytime soon, maybe not even in this decade or in your entire lifetime. Who really knows? I mean, it's soon going to be three years since the Fed began their aggressive rate hiking cycle and the market and consumer expectations are finally adjusting and settling down, and that right there that factors in just the touch to the housing forecast that I'm going to deliver to you today. And before I get into that, since we are get rich education, do you know what the federal funds rate is like, what it really means? Let me explain this to you in a way where I think you'll not only learn, but I'm going to give you an example so that you can actually remember it. And I'm going to over simplify it, the federal funds rate, that thing that Jerome Powell and his committee set, that is the rate that banks pay other banks to borrow from each other. It's a little over 4% right now. Okay, let's just say it's 4% here's why the federal funds rate is typically lower than mortgage rates. Say that Wells Fargo pays bank of America this 4% federal funds rate to borrow so that Wells Fargo can then turn around and lend the funds to you for a real estate mortgage loan. All right. Well now you can see that Wells Fargo had to pay Bank of America 4% that's why, when you go get your real estate loan from Wells Fargo, you can understand and see why they'd have to charge you, say, 7% in order to make a spread. That is why mortgage rates are higher than the federal funds rate. Wells Fargo made the spread of 3% because they borrowed at four, and they lent it to you at seven, and you yourself you borrowed at seven because your tenant pays your interest and principal for you, and you get the leverage and all of the other benefits. So again, the federal funds rate is the rate that banks pay when they borrow from other banks, and since they need to make a spread arbitrage, this is why mortgage rates are higher. Again, that's oversimplified, but I think that's a way where you can really remember what that is and why that is that way. All right.    Well, with that lesson understood, let's talk about the big national home price forecast for next year. And here's what's interesting. Look at the forecasts that my peers have made. All right, I've already got the forecasts from 16 other housing analytics platforms here, and they have all predicted that home prices will rise next year, all 16 of them, but they've all forecast something different. And everything we're discussing today, by the way, is nominal, meaning, not inflation adjusted. All right. Note that the average of all these platforms, all 16 of them, is a 2.8% gain for next year. All right, if you look at all of them the range, the highest is Goldman, Sachs at 4.4% and the lowest is Moody's Analytics at just 310 of 1%   I'll tell you now that my forecast today, it wouldn't even fit on this chart, it is going to be off the chart. And this is something that might ramp up your intrigue. Maybe you think I would look at this and choose something safe, and since I have the benefit of seeing how 16 others have weighed in that, I'll just pick something in the middle of that. Oh, no, not at all. This is an independent forecast. So since our forecast is off the chart, then that means that what I'm going to tell you today either has to be higher than the highest, which is that 4.4% from Goldman Sachs, or lower than the lowest, which is that 310 of 1% from Moody's. Yes, it is outside of those brackets, busting the bookends today. And as I lead up to it, I will detail the reasons why the calculus that went into this forecast. So before we're done, yes, you will get the exact percent number that I expect existing single family home values to increase by or decrease by next year. It is the fourth straight year that I'm doing this. And now a lot of people make whimsical predictions, you know. But today, you're gonna get something that you rarely, if ever get accountability, because I'm also going to show you the results, you'll see how well my forecasts have actually performed each of the past three years. Sheesh, don't you wish everyone followed up on the prediction that they made now, oh gosh, most housing price crash Predictions Fail Faster than your average New Year's resolution. All right, we need first historic context in order to put this future that we're talking about into perspective. Let's look at how bad other predictions have been this is something that Yahoo Finance recently pointed out, the year by year, reasons that people thought housing prices would crash Since 2012 so we're talking about the past 13 years here, starting in 2012 it was shadow inventory. Remember that that never came true. 2013 higher mortgage rates. 2014 in that year. People thought that housing prices could tumble hard because QE was ending in October of that year. That is quantitative easing, which is dollar printing. I mean, basically QE, that's just the Genteel way of saying inflation. In 2015 they thought a manufacturing recession would make home prices crash. In 2016 home prices were back to their pre global financial crisis high. Well, people thought that seemed shaky. In 2017 I don't know what it was. No one had a good reason. But the word crash just gets attention, so some media tried to scare people with that headline. Anyway, in 2018 it was mortgage rates went from 4% up to 5% seriously like that was the top reason. In 2019 it was that home price growth was cooling off in 2020 of course, it was the COVID 19 pandemic in 2021 it was mortgage forbearance in 2022 it was that mortgage rates hit 7% that was the first time we saw those in a while, even though 7% is still below the long term average of seven and three quarters percent in 2023 it was historically low housing demand. People thought that would bring down real estate prices. In 2024 it was sustained higher mortgage rates and an uptick in inventory. And what's it going to be in 2025 I don't know. Clickbait artists will have some other farcical reason why home prices will crash. Just watch, all right, well, with that, look back every year since 2012 of course, real estate prices definitely don't always go up. In fact, when we look at a longer term history, the national home price appreciation rate every year since World War Two. Like I told you on a previous episode, there were only two periods where home prices fell, that's over a period of 80 to 85 years. There was just 1% attrition in 1990 and then the only appreciable loss period, of course, were those years around the 2008 global financial crisis, where you really probably could consider that an all out crash, prices were down more than 20% nationally, more than 40% 50% in some markets, all right. Well, how did that concerning period compare to now? Well, 2008 is when conditions were largely opposite of what they are now that is back 2008 we had an oversupply of homes, and it was all supported by poorly underwritten mortgages, meaning the borrower really couldn't afford the payment. And also that's when people had low or no equity in homes, so they just walked away, so borrowers had no equity to lose, nor any credit score to protect, and it was oversupplied there about 17 years ago. I mean, that era was so bad and also such an anomaly, that home prices actually fell below the replacement cost, if you can believe that, meaning that you could ostensibly buy existing property for less than the cost that it would take to build a property, then all right. Well, all three of those conditions are opposite. Now today, we have an under supply of homes. Secondly, we have carefully underwritten mortgages, and thirdly, we have record high equity positions, about 300k on average. People are not walking away from that unless things got absolutely dire. All right, with that historical context. So here we are building up to my factors for the forecast, and then the big reveal of the percent figure here, before we're done, to be clear, what I'm providing is the projected sales price of existing single family homes per the National Association of Realtors, stat set. All right, so why existing? And not include the new builds into that? Well, first of all, there are way more existing home sales. Then there are new build sales each year. And see, the thing is, though, that tracking new build that really skews the numbers, because what can happen is, one year, you might have a ton of luxury new build homes. Well then that skews the numbers up too much. Or then there's the more nascent trend of what's happening lately, building smaller homes this past year in order to help with affordability and building smaller that can skew the numbers down. So sticking with existing homes that allows us to keep things more same same. Today, you'll learn about what goes into my forecast and the factors that actually don't matter as much as you would think, like the incoming Trump administration. You'll also hear an important clip from Trump in a few minutes for the second week in a row, I'm bringing you the show from a fairly interesting place, Anchorage, Alaska. This city of 300,000 people, is at sea level. The west side is confined by a coast. The east side is confined by mountains. It's a modern US city. There are high rise buildings and convention centers and freeways and a really convenient International Airport. What's interesting about being in America's northernmost city right now? Anchorage is. That Saturday, just a couple of days ago, that was the winter Equinox for half of the globe, the entire northern hemisphere. And here, the sunrise time is about 10:15am, and sunset about 3:45pm, that right there is just five and a half hours of daylight. That's it, but it feels like more than that. It feels closer to perhaps seven plus hours of daylight, because at high latitudes, the sun barely drops below the horizon, so therefore you get more Twilight on either end of sunrise in Sunset. Well, this is a real estate show, so I hope that's not too much of an astronomy lesson for you here. But anchorage can never get 24 hours of daylight or darkness, because it simply is not far enough north. In fact, when I fly from, say, the center of the 48 states out here. I travel more west than North. The thing for you to remember is that the only places on the globe that can get 24 hours of daylight and darkness are inside the Arctic and Antarctic circles. They're at 63 and 1/3 degrees of latitude or greater, and Anchorage is just 61 I've been skiing here, but suffice to say, with a lot of darkness, it's been a good place for me to study research and put my effort into this forecast that I'm sharing with you today, which you'll hear after the break.    This week's episode is supported by ridge lending group. It's the same place where I get my investment property mortgages and refinancings, you can go ahead and originate your loans at the same place I get mine, that is Ridgelendinggroup.com.  Also freedom family investments, you can make a loan and get a stable return of 7% 8% or Even 10% yet still have some measure of liquidity. Why park your funds at a bank? You can learn about their private money loans by texting FAMILY to 66866, if you want 8% or more on your money while it's on your mind, just text FAMILY to 66866, and see if it's right for you. I'm your host. 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Here now all of these factors matter, but I'm generally going to start with less weighty factors and proceed more toward the weighty factors Trump tariffs. Could Trump tariffs increase materials costs, the cost of materials that go into homes? Well, yes, of course, they could. Could it also increase the labor costs that go into those homes, if, say, businesses decide to onshore. Sure in order to avoid paying the tariffs, yes, and you would have to pay a higher wage to Americans. That's obviously inflationary, but applying tariffs is slow, and it takes a long time to trickle through, okay? But here's the thing, even the threat of tariffs can produce inflation, and we already have the threat that's something real. And now see if you're a consumer and you want to buy a new washer, dryer set or a microwave, well, you're more motivated to do that today, not in a year, because this threat of tariffs might mean that that appliances price will spike. You might want to buy your new car now, if you anticipate the terrace could be coming and it's going to affect that well, the apartment building owner feels the same way before she or he buys 48 washer dryers for their apartment building. Home Builders and remodelers they want to get their materials orders in now, in some cases, whether that's for concrete, drywall, lumber, any component that goes into a home where they think that a tariff could jack up the price, you really need to be paying attention to whether you think this is going to happen or not. So Trump likely means more inflation, and that correlates also with sustained higher interest rates of all kinds, including mortgage rates. And there's no certainty there. There is just that correlation. Now, a lot of real estate investors anticipate that a president with a real estate investor background like Trump Has he is going to return 100% bonus depreciation and extend his tax breaks, okay, all of these things, especially that bonus depreciation, can really enhance your tax situation, but that's not part of the home price appreciation forecast for next year. Okay, we're just looking at next year here. How about mortgage rates? How is that going to factor into home prices for next year? Mortgage rates hardly matter. And the newer listener that you are, the more of a surprise that is, rates are about 7% now, a lot of experts think they're going to go to 6% in a year. But who knows? I mean, a year ago, everyone thought rates would be substantially lower today. But here's the thing, it's not just a who knows. It's almost a who cares about what mortgage rates will be when it comes to prices. Because, like I've shared with you before, since 1994 mortgage rates have risen 1% or more seven different times, and home prices went up all seven times.  Long time listeners like you, you already know this, so for the complete backstory on the why, you can listen to earlier episodes, but the short story is that higher rates, you gotta look at what's happening when there are high rates that's a confirmation that the economy is strong, and when the economy is strong and people feel secure in their job, what do they do? They buy a home. So mortgage rates matter, but a person's personal economy matters more when they make a decision to buy a home or not. A sharp fall in rates that correlates with a recession. So higher rates usually lead to higher home prices, something that almost everyone in real estate thinks of oppositely. On weeks with lower rates this year, we did have lower housing inventory, and with higher rates, we had higher inventory. So that did affect that the next factor is more important than tariffs and mortgage rates, and that is Trump and immigration. Okay? Because this affects the supply versus demand component of housing, something supremely important. Well, more immigrants mean more housing demand, pushing up prices and on immigration, who really knows how many of this surge of fresh immigrants are going to be deported? Will it only be the illegals, or will it be others? Or will it be none at all? Or will it be something else, will trump deport everyone? I mean, that is not easy to do, and it's really expensive. Here are Trump's latest public remarks on how he's going to treat recent immigrants to the US. The interviewer is Kristen Welker from NBC, and she's heard shuffling some papers here too. So don't let that throw you off as you listen to Trump.    Speaker 1  29:39   You raised the point that the logistics are complicated. You said yourself, everything's gone. You mean you need 24 times more ICE detention capacity just to deport 1 million people per year, not to mention more agents, more judges, more planes. Is it realistic to deport everyone? First of all, they're costing us a fortune, but we're starting. With the criminals, and we got to do it, and then we're starting with others, and we're going to see how it goes   Keith Weinhold  30:06   well there, before Trump's first day in office for his second term, see he's already saying we'll see how it goes with deporting immigrants. He now realizes how costly that is. If there is mass deportation, housing demand goes down, but we'd also have fewer laborers, which a lot of those immigrants are, to build the new housing that our country needs. So there's somewhat of a canceling out effect there. It could mean higher home prices because it could even mean higher home prices because most fresh immigrants are renters. They aren't occupying homes that they own anyway, and just how many people we're talking about here, the Pew Research Center estimates that 13% of construction workers are undocumented. That disruption to the labor market that can produce higher inflation, because the slowdown in home building means less supply and higher prices. Now let's get to the biggest factor before I provide my track record, and then the big number, and that is more on the housing supply versus demand. So yeah, it's really fundamental economics. That's the core driver of next year's anticipated home price change. All right, let's start with supply. How undersupplied of housing are we still in the US? Well, an update on the Fred active listing count, and this is for single families, condos and townhomes. It's that we are up off the bottom, but we're still a good 40% or so below the equilibrium point where demand meets supply. America grew its available inventory 27% this year, pretty significant, and next year, it might grow another 15 or 20% that's my best guess. All right then, well, let's try to project future supply by what you have to do is look at new housing starts. That means shovels in the ground. That means taking a backhoe and excavating for spread footings, digging that trench that you're going to pour concrete into, starting homes from the ground up. Well, we don't have enough starts either not enough. In fact, we could be digging a deeper hole with the under supply at our current level of building, US housing under supply will grow by over 200,000 homes per year if we continue at this low level of building. And would you consider all housing types, single family homes, apartments, mobile homes, condos, ADUs, everything? Freddie Mac estimates that we are currently under supplied by a whopping 3.7 million housing units. Now, you probably heard figures like that before, but let me put it into perspective. At two persons per home, our shortage is greater than what could house the entire population of Libya. That's what we're talking about here. And some agencies estimate we're even more undersupplied than the 3.7 million homes. Now, of course, I'm making only a national forecast today. There are regional variations in some Texas and Florida sub markets, they have built plenty of new build single family homes now, let me tell you something scary. What if your income dropped by a third, making 1/3 less in the future than you do right now? Like that would be a moment of panic for a lot of people, you and your family, as you hold that thought when it comes to supply, this year had historically low home sales. When I talk about sales, these are not prices. This is different. This is the volume of sales. Next year, there will likely only be a few more sales than this year, and there weren't many this year. Now see for you, as an individual real estate investor and a consumer that goes grocery shopping, you know, you are interested in real estate prices, but the industry, if you work in the industry, like as a builder or as a real estate agent or even a furniture provider, they are more concerned about the number of home sales. This sales volume that I'm talking about, and here's what's going on, normal is about 5 million home sales per year. It was over 6 million during the pandemic, and now we're down at 4 million. So I mean, in a short period of time to go from 6 million down to 4 million, that is a drawdown of transactions by a third. So just imagine if you are a home builder or a real estate agent, or you're in the retail furniture business and your volume is down by a third. I mean, what would happen to you if your income were down by a third? And you're in one of those industries and you don't have a way to pivot, so that is scary stuff for that subset of people. Well, while all of that was happening to sales volume, lower and lower volume. Home prices have just kept ticking up these past few years. All right. Well, that was supply, and there is one last factor to weigh before I reveal the forecast number, and that is demand. There is a long way to go before there is enough housing inventory for the pent up demand in the housing market, pent up demand from these people that can't quite afford a home. Demographics is destiny. You know, it is one of the easiest things to project, because demographics is a known forget immigration here, because I already talked about that just domestically, the US had its own high birth rate years from 1990 to 2010 and most people don't know about this. Many of those years between 1990 and 2010 there were over 4 million births annually, and that peaked in the year 2007 All right, you might be wondering, so what? That's the past? What about the future? Well, in housing prices, that right there is the future, with today's first time homebuyer now being a record 38 years old, like I told you about a few episodes ago. Alright, if you add 38 to the year that they were born, 2007 that home buyer demand won't peak until the year 2045 so that is a big part of where the demand just keeps coming from, and is going to keep coming from this wave of demographic demand that might not slow down much until the 2050s and what could slow prices is if a major recession that included a lot of job losses were eminent, that could slow home price growth. But nobody expects that. you know something, on future demand, What if health and fitness influencer Brian Johnson is right, and Earth now has the first generation not to die. What would that do to real estate prices? Have you ever thought that through that would really expand housing demand, but that wouldn't affect things for a couple decades. All right, well, let's talk track record and understand that it is pretty difficult to predict the future, and I have made all these forecasts at the end of one year, just before the forecast year even starts, just like I'm doing today, and here's how I've done at the end of 2021 for 2022 I forecast 9-10% home price appreciation the year ended, and in 2022 they came in at 10% so I got that one right. For 2023 before that year even began, I forecast 0% just that home prices would stay flat. And by the way, so many people were calling for a housing price decline that year because mortgage rates had risen. But as we know here on the show, when mortgage rates rise, home prices typically do too. And I also said back then was supply so low, I don't really see how home prices could fall. Well, the year ended, and sure enough, they came in at 0% and all of this is published in on record. You can go back and find all this, in fact, for 2024 you can hear the forecast that I made near the end of last year for 2024 and you could do that by going back and listening to Episode 481 this is episode 533 that was 52 weeks ago, and you will hear that my forecast back then for this year's home price appreciation was 4% this year is not quite over, plus housing data lags somewhat, in fact, through October, however, they were 4.1%   we've almost got that November number, not quite, but it's very likely going to end up being 4% this year, just like I had forecast at the end of Last year, but it's still officially to be determined. Before I gave the awaited fresh forecast for next year with what looks to me like really nailing the forecast spot on three years in a row now you might be wondering something, how did I know? How did I have the foresight to know that and nail those. Forecasts. You know, at this point, I have to concede that there's probably a little luck that has come into play, but this is what I do. I study research and even participate in the National residential housing market. What you're getting is my best estimate. It's not any sort of promise or guarantee. I mean, like all other 8.1 billion human beings on earth, I don't have a crystal ball, and a streak like this has gone on for three years, but it cannot go on forever. So this is what I can best surmise. So really, for 2025 The short story is that I expect more buyers than homes, which creates bids and buoyant prices. I also expect continued inflationary pressure. Those are the two chief factors that went into this. We don't ever revise our forecast mid year. This is it. For 2025 I expect home prices to increase by 5%. Yes, there it is 5% projected appreciation for next year. And to be clear, that is the NARS national median existing single family home price, the same stat set that I have cited all four years again, it is nominal, meaning, not inflation adjusted, so at Christmas or New Year's or your next dinner party, when You see your slack jawed brother in law that thinks the housing market is always going to crash, give the dude a hug and a turkey leg and tell him that I expect plus 5% and pass me the wishbone for good luck on our fourth consecutive housing price appreciation forecast, I really hope that this helps with planning your own portfolio moves, whether that's you owning more income property next year or doing a refinancing, or how you think about your own primary residence. 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530: Why We Hate Jeff Bezos

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Keith discusses the paradox of falling home prices and rents in Austin, Texas, despite it being the fastest-growing city. He highlights the over-supply of apartments, with new towers next to old bungalows, and notes that apartment rents are down, while single-family home rents are up. He also explores societal attitudes towards wealth, noting the double standard of admiring celebrities while vilifying entrepreneurs like Jeff Bezos. The over-supply of apartments has slowed down rent growth, affecting single-family home rents. Wage growth has outpaced inflation, potentially boosting rents. Millennials are increasingly renting due to the inability to afford homes.  Show Notes: GetRichEducation.com/530 For access to properties or free help with a GRE Investment Coach, start here: GREmarketplace.com GRE Free Investment Coaching:GREmarketplace.com/Coach Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Invest with Freedom Family Investments.  You get paid first: Text FAMILY to 66866 For advertising inquiries, visit: GetRichEducation.com/ad Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review” Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free— text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Complete episode transcript:   Automatically Transcribed With Otter.ai  Keith Weinhold  0:01   Welcome to GRE I'm your host. Keith Weinhold, I just walked one of America's most interesting real estate streets. I'll tell you what I saw then what it takes to get rents to increase in the US more real estate investing content, then it's about jealousy and envy. Why we hate Amazon founder Jeff Bezos for his wealth, yet love performers like LeBron James and Taylor Swift for theirs. It's a case study on wealth, entrepreneurship and celebrity today on get rich education.   Speaker 1  0:39   Since 2014 the powerful get rich education podcast has created more passive income for people than nearly any other show in the world. This show teaches you how to earn strong returns from passive real estate investing in the best markets without losing your time being a flipper or landlord. Show Host Keith Weinhold writes for both Forbes and Rich Dad advisors, and delivers a new show every week since 2014 there's been millions of listener downloads of 188 world nations. He has a list show guests include top selling personal finance author Robert Kiyosaki. Get rich education can be heard on every podcast platform, plus it has its own dedicated Apple and Android listener phone apps build wealth on the go with the get rich education podcast. Sign up now for the get rich education podcast or visit getricheducation.com.   Corey Coates  1:25   You're listening to the show that has created more financial freedom than nearly any show in the world. This is get rich education.   Keith Weinhold  1:41   Welcome to GRE from sinking spring Pennsylvania to Manitou Springs, Colorado and across 488 nations worldwide. I'm Keith Weinhold, and you are inside episode 530 of the GRE podcast. What's the minimum wage? I don't even know. Around here, we don't talk about how to live below your means, but grow your means, and you're gonna learn how to earn maximum wage. Austin, Texas is the fastest growing city in America. I've got some really interesting real estate observations for you, since I walked it two weeks ago and well, touring the Texas State Capitol Building was cool. And then on Austin's Sixth Street, I hadn't seen that much beer pong since college, but you know, rainy street, R A, I N, E Y, just south of the downtown, near the river, that was Austin's interesting Real Estate Street, the fastest growing city in the United States has falling home prices and falling rents. What a paradox that is in the fastest growing city. I mean, how do you balance that weirdness? Yes, the census tells us that Austin is the fastest growing and even as a gentrified hipster Haven with murals on the walls, street corners, there food trucks, coffee shops. You know the coffee shops that make you feel like you're in an indie film. It doesn't matter. They simply built too much there in Austin. So all of that that cannot compete with classic supply versus demand dynamics, old fashioned Milton Friedman stuff. And really, what I saw in both San Antonio and Austin is emblematic of the new apartment supply surge. What's going on on rainy street? I mean, that's what I call America's apartment over supply ground zero. Cranes are in the air all over the place. They're building 500 foot apartment towers right across the street from one story bungalows there on Rainey Street. It's a weird scene. Well, the apartments, they're going to be vacant for a while, and part of the weird scene is that there are outdoor live country music acts on the east side of rainy street, and they're playing out of these old one story bungalows converted to bars. It just feels like they're going to be raised and knocked over anytime and then country music, that's something that you associate with, like cows grazing within a mile of you. But that is not going on here, so these huge, new, shiny glass and steel apartment towers are right across the street from it. So it's this weird cultural mix of both country flare and urbanism in Austin and now there were also some clubs with DJs playing. There something more modern. I mean, like 20 year old R and B songs that everyone knows the words to by artists like Usher and Akon. Remember. Or a con or Ja Rule. Remember Ja Rule? Maybe they were playing Jay Z and ice cube too. But, you know, maybe shabu Z would have made more sense on that scene. In any case, it is an unusual scenario there in Austin. So a lively place, a growing place, but apartment buildings got out ahead of the growth. And yes, it all comes back to supply versus demand. Yep, that age old rivalry between what we've got and what we want now broadly, America has an overall lack of housing supply and the under building that is the most prevalent in northern states. And of course, under building, what that does is it increases the number of buyer bids on the few available properties. Well, in turn, that pushes up their home prices faster than the rest of the nation. Now the states with the most appreciation, they generally have the least new housing inventory being built. And of course, conversely, states with the highest available housing supply have the slowest home price appreciation. Austin is ground zero for that. So with the eclectic rainy street there, it's really representative of how you have some cities that are over built with apartments. You have a lot of apartment completions, but not very many new starts of apartments like I mentioned before. No, in fact, let's zoom out nationally. Here. Apartment list tells us that apartment rents are really flat. In fact, they're down seven tenths of 1% over the past year, available single family homes? Well, they're in more scarce supply than apartments, and the CoreLogic single family rent index tells us that their rents are up 2% annually. All right, something that completely makes sense for a change. The overbuild of apartments has slowed down their rent growth even more. But here's the thing, the overbuilding of apartments that's actually slowed down the rent growth in single family homes somewhat. And you might think that those two things aren't related, apartment rents and single family rents, but they're a little related. Just say a tenant they might ideally want a single family home, but there just aren't many of them out there for rent nationally. So then if a good new apartment is substantially cheaper, well, some proportion are going to accept an apartment as an alternative, and that's one reason that single family rent growth is just a modest 2% rather than a more normal 4% or so that you might see as a historic average. But yeah, I mean, really, the story is all these apartment completions, where a lot of them are going to be vacant for a while in some cities now, long term, apartments are going to be fine. I'm totally confident of that the demographic demand for apartments is going to be there because our population is growing and because there aren't many new apartment starts. So really that means over the next couple years, apartment supply versus demand is going to come more back into balance, while we could keep having this ongoing deficiency, though over for the single family rental homes. Perhaps the best thing that you and I can have happen to increase real estate profitability is to get rents up. So let's take a look at that. Let's look at the prospects for getting rents up in, just say, the next year or two. And there is a real bright spot here for that, and that is the fact that wages have outpaced inflation every single month for almost two years now, yes, wages and incomes are up those higher wages and higher incomes can therefore afford higher rents. And like with a lot of things in economics, it moves slowly, and there is a lag effect. And this is, you know, it's really how it usually works when there is a wave of inflation. What happens is, first, inflation outpaces wage growth, and now that we've come down off the big inflation wave, we're in the era where it has flipped, and now wage growth outstrips inflation. Well, the most recent stats, they tell us that America now has 4.6% wage growth and just 2.6% CPI inflation growth. Now is wage growth higher than the real diminished purchasing power of the dollar, not just the stated CPI inflation, because you got to remember, CPI is only the level that the government is willing to admit to, but in a sense, who cares? Because look, as a real estate investor, while your principal and interest payment stays fixed every month and inflation can't touch it, we know that wage growth is up 4.6% and that's the part that really. Matters. So if that means that you can get a 4.6% rent growth in the near future, after some lag effects settle in, well that might increase the annual cash flow, the money you feel in your pocket, say, 7% or 9% annually. So this wage growth trend, it portends really well for rent growth, ultimately flowing through to your cash flow growth. So we know that home price appreciation is amazing and has been amazing for us, investors, leverage and all of that, but there expects to be more upward pressure on rents, and that is led by robust wage growth. That is really happening now, and workers are demanding the wage growth to cope with higher consumer prices. Now, when it comes to the prospect of more home price growth, let's listen in to Shark Tank shark Barbara Corcoran, she recently talked about what would make home price growth go ballistic, as she puts it. This was her on Fox Business Channel with Neil cabotto. It's about three minutes in length, and then I'll be back to comment.   Speaker 2  11:08   Barbara Corcoran. Now the Corcoran Group founder, Shark Tank aficionado, much, much more brilliant read of real estate too, Barbara, great to have you. A lot I'm throwing at you, Barbara, and you always handle it, definitely. But first off, on the rate environment right now, between all these headlines and everything, rates have been backing up. And, you know, we just saw a 30 year fixed rate mortgage. It's up to 6.84% from 6.78% last week. That was before the market rate run up. So how do you view the environment right now for lending?   Speaker 3  11:43   Well, I think what we're losing right now we desperately need is more first time buyers. Less than 24% of the people buying now are first time buyers at an all time low. So rates have been bouncing around a while. Now, 6 to 7% so people are confused. They don't have big expectations. They're no longer waiting for a tremendous rate drop. If that happens, got it would be incredible for the market. But in the last year, or pardon me, in the last month alone, we have sold three and a half percent more houses despite what's going on in the interest rates. But the first time buyers aren't much a piece of that.   Speaker 2  12:16   You know, I notice as well us existing home sales, like you say, up 3.4% October. It's the first year over year gain I think we've seen in better part of three years. So what was going on there? Because that surprised me.   Speaker 3  12:30   Well, it doesn't surprise me because there's more houses on the market, so there were 25% more choices for the buyer coming out into the market and looking and on top of that, the buyers themselves have gotten accustomed to the rates being what they are, and they just got tired of waiting. But I am wondering if we'll ever see a 5% number, because anything with the 5% in front of it is going to make this market go ballistic. But right now, you're already seeing the signs. In the last month.   Speaker 2  12:59   You know, you've reminded me in the past that sometimes it's psychological. A lot of folks, and a lot of them look at that 7% handle on a fixed rate mortgage get close to or over that it could tax this recovery or whatever you want to recourse call it. But what do you say.   Speaker 3  13:13   well if it went higher? Of course, it would slow down the whole market. Would slow down the whole economy. It would slow down all the support services for the housing market, it would be a terrible thing, but I don't think people are thinking it's going to go much up, if you really listen to the experts. That could happen. But I don't think you're going to see interest rates above 7% again. I'm hoping that it's going to go and hover around six, or even go lower.   Speaker 2  13:36   All right. Well, you have a better track record a lot of those so called experts. I'm going to go with you, Barbara. But you know, the one thing that is out there, the worry is that Donald Trump, say what you will, of him, he has aggressive plans to spur the economy, you know, the tariff thing, the talk that, you know, he is going to pour a lot into tax cuts that could juice the economy so much so that some worry it's going to, you know, get prices going higher. We don't know for how long or how much, but that that that will be the inevitable consequence of what he's offering. Do you agree with that?   Speaker 3  14:06   I do agree with that. I think inflation is on everybody's mind, and I think it's risky, so I think we're going to find out. I guess it's like a horse race. We'll see what happens.   Keith Weinhold  14:15   Yeah, Barbara thinks mortgage rates in the fives. I guess under six then that would make the market go nuts and really push up prices. She reiterated how first time home buying is at an all time low, that proportion of the first time homebuyers are down, down, down, keeping those people as renters. So we've got the Trump bump and still an inflationary bump behind higher and higher real estate prices going into next year, most likely. But I mean, now you've really got to be selective and filter the kind of information that you listen to and put credence in what. We just had a presidential election a month ago, and people love to speculate about the future and what they think say tariffs are going to mean for inflation and then what that's going to do to interest rates. And you know, all that stuff is just notoriously difficult to predict. It is really tough. I mean, look, I've attended two prominent economic and real estate conferences the last few months, and there are some good insights at meetings like that. But here's the thing you've got to keep in mind, everyone has an opinion, and no one knows the future. George Bernard Shaw's got a great quote. He said, If all the economists were laid end to end, they would never reach a conclusion. So I mean, we're still going to talk inflation and interest rates here on the show, because their effect on your economic life is profound, but guessing about where they're going to go, especially interest rates, that is almost an exercise in futility. There are some things that we know will almost surely affect you. I mean, I'm talking about something like demographics that is more predictable, or the benefit of leverage, where, if you have too much equity in your properties, you can do something about that right now, and that way, what you do is you actually create your future, instead of guessing and speculating about what it might be. Or say you can create your future. You can learn about a program like you know when the opportunity Zone program came out a while ago, or a new tax incentive program for real estate investors. These are things you can do. You can sink your teeth into them with what you have right now, the resources, the toolkit that you have right now, and actually do something about and one thing that we do know is that increasingly, millennials cannot afford to buy a house, and you know, it just basically means that their future is poorer. They have to live with other people into their 30s. Instead of forming a family, they don't have kids. The marriage rate takes a hit. I mean, these numbers have collapsed since the 1980s the home ownership rate among them has gone from about 50% down to 30% so millennials and Gen Z ers too, they know that their future is really shaky and it's concerning. So you have this same cohort, people in their 30s doing two jobs, taking on three jobs, some of them balancing four jobs. They don't want to do that. They don't want to work 12 hour days, six days a week, while they're trying to pay down their college loans. They're doing it because they have to. They can't form a down payment for a home. The average millennial is 3637 years old. And their parents, and my parents, they're all baby boomers. And, you know, they Baby Boomers were the richest generation that we've ever seen. So what we've got going on here now is the first generation that will not be as rich as their parents, and that's really strange. We're all used to this sort of human progress. I mean, if your parents were middle class people, and you're less well off than them, or your tenant is well, then what does that mean? Well, it means that you're gonna be renting for a while. See this demographic stuff. This is really happening. There is no speculation here, and it's why I want you to set up your investor life to provide rental property to others. It's a smart place to be positioned. In fact, a lot of media agrees. Yahoo Finance just published an article titled, rental home investors are poised to benefit. It basically details why rental properties are going to be next year's attractive option for would be home buyers. This month, analysts at Raymond James and Associates, they say that they see mortgage rates remaining higher for longer given the outcome of the election, again, no one can really predict mortgage rates. But anyway, they reiterated their outperform ratings. That's the rating that they gave it out perform on these two companies, American homes for rent and invitation homes. And they're these institutional homebuyers, they do the build to rent space, and they noted Raymond James that is noted that we are increasingly confident in the longer term outlook for single family rental fundamentals and the industry's growth prospects. That's the end of their quote. So that's what the analysts of financial planning firm. Raymond James and Associates, had to say. And suffice to say, there is a lot of positive momentum for rental property, especially in the single family space coming up next. Why we hate Jeff Bezos for his wealth, but love performers like Harry Styles, Rihanna, Taylor Swift, Dua Lipa and Olivia Rodrigo, despite their wealth.    Hey, check out all of our real estate investing resources at get rich education.com. It's the home per our podcast, this very show that you're listening to right now. Also videos, blogs, how to get our newsletter. Be sure you're doing that. Connections with our recommended real estate service providers, a way for you to contact us over there, and also how you can connect with our completely free, yes, truly free, real estate investment coaching, all of that and more. Is it get rich education.com. I'm Keith Weinhold. More next you're listening to get rich education.    Oh, geez, the national average bank account pays less than 1% on your savings, so your bank is getting rich off of you. 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Let's look into this, because I've actually got some answers for why so many people apply this double standard to wealthy celebrities and well known people. And I know I've mentioned to you before that Taylor Swift and I were actually born in the same hometown of Reading, Pennsylvania, West Reading, actually vilifying business people yet glorifying performers. That seems to transcend, you know, any of these celebrity personality or character flaws. So let's put all that stuff aside that's distracting, that devolves and gets us off topic. Let's just focus on the wealth part and the resentment of that wealth, because often it's not that people dislike Bezos for say, the decline of small retail though there is that for any of his personal traits, but specifically they hate his wealth, but by the way, yet they have an Amazon account. Well. As a society, we just love celebrities despite their wealth, if they're stage performers like Rihanna, Taylor Swift, Dua Lipa, Olivia Rodrigo, Harry Styles, LeBron James. I mean, we applaud Stephen Curry's three pointers and show a otani's home runs when Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Jalen Hurts got a $255 million contract extension. We loved it. Fans plastered their walls with his poster, but yet, at the same time, while people are doing that, society often disparages successful entrepreneurs and business owners for their wealth, like Bezos or Barbara Corcoran, who we heard from earlier, or Spanx founder, Sarah Blakely, so I analyze why society does this, so let's see what we can learn from it. And I should add, of course, that like with most anything, you can find some exceptions out there, some outliers. I mean, Warren Buffet's net worth is over 100 billion and yet seems like everyone wants to sit around a campfire and listen to his sage investing wisdom, and some athletes are despised, for sure. And then there's a guy like Ryan Reynolds who kind of spans both worlds and lives his best life in Hollywood and in business, but really our emotional divide. It begins with the primordial human senses of jealousy and envy. And, you know, there's a cartoon floating around out there, and the cartoon has just two frames. In the first frame, it shows a guy standing in front of the room with a crowd of people that he's speaking to, and he asks, Who hates the rich? And everyone in the crowd has their hand up raised high. Everyone hates the rich. And then the second frame of the cartoon shows the same scene, and the guy in the front of the room is saying, Now, who wants to be rich? And yeah, everyone's got their hand raised up again. So let's be realistic. Ask most people that resent the wealthy, all right, what income do you think you'd need to be to be considered rich yourself? Oh, maybe they would answer say, five times as much as I make it now. Oh, yeah. Well, I bet if right after that, you offered them a 5x pay raise for the same job, they would take it, but yet they resent the wealthy, even though 5x would make them wealthy. Now there's a component of optics here, too. You, with your own eyes, get to see Taylor Swift perform at a concert. Her work is visible. It's satisfying. You might be emotionally moved by that. And from all accounts, Taylor does put in a ton of work to perform that well, sing that well, and put in the physical endurance of these three plus hour concerts. That really is amazing. I don't denigrate her for owning a Dassault Falcon private jet like she does. I mean, I don't disparage any wealthy person for wealth alone. I think deep down in your heart, it's where a lot of people want to be. Robert Downey, Jr. He performs his we'll call it his magnum opus, on screen as Iron Man Tony Stark in Marvel movies, and he's been paid up to $600 million for that role across many movies, but yet, you know, we find that satisfying, which is weird. I mean, Taylor Swift, she is herself, but actors like Robert Downey Jr actually pretend to be someone else. So we praise an actor like Robert Downey Jr, and he's best known for pretending to be someone else, but yet we despise say, Apple's leader Tim Cook, for his wealth. Why in the heck would that be I mean, how do you justify that? Well, it's because Tim Cook's performances aren't visible. It's optics. You didn't get to see the process of how Bezos revolutionized Amazon's 24 hour delivery to your doorstep or drone delivery. What bezels is doing on a computer is not exactly a spectator sport. Okay, we don't get to see the work that Apple Steve Jobs did for our iPhone, or what Tim Cook does for our iPhone or iPad or MacBook. So therefore it's less satisfying because it wasn't visible. And yet, Tim Cook's highest endeavor, it's less glamorous than that of an actor. And yet Tim Cook completely acts like himself. For all ways I can tell, unlike an actor and Tim Cook, he really shapes the world that you and I live in today. I mean, he has definitely influenced your life more than some fictitious superhero has. There's also an element of imitation here, and this is really important, because look, you and I really for all intents and purposes, we cannot be like Taylor Swift or LeBron James. But you know what we can be a little like Jeff Bezos or Tim Cook, at some point in your life, you get real and you tell yourself that you cannot be like Lebron James. You cannot sprout to be six foot nine and be the all time leader in NBA point scored, you're not going to be like Taylor Swift. And had the highest grossing musical tour of all time with more than 7 million tickets sold. Now you couldn't sell any tickets to people that would want to see you sing. I sure couldn't. But see, you can be a successful entrepreneur. You just have to do, and when you have to do, and you know you could do those things. See, this means that you and I don't have any cop out. So sometimes we refute an entrepreneur success to try to let ourselves off the hook from actually doing you know, I think it's human nature to sort of protect our ego and tell ourselves, ah, I can't be like them. But that's false, because being wealthy is a choice, something I actually didn't believe when I was younger. If you wanted to you, yes, not some other listener, but you could have a successful business and perhaps even parlay your success into being a yacht owner, you could actually be that now, yacht owner, that's not some goal of mine. But see, instead of resenting a yacht owner, you can be inspired by that success. You don't have to launch a space company and fly people to Mars. You can do something here on earth. You can own a successful e commerce company, or rent out cars to people, or provide what people truly need and righteously serve a lot of people with housing. As a real estate investor, you can do all those things, even if it's just 1% of the level that Bezos does with E commerce, even if it's 1/10 of 1% see, you can get a piece of that. This is similar to how popular culture denigrates landlords and yet over sympathizes with tenants. Sometimes the tenant is right, but the landlord is often not some mega corporation. They're usually a mom and pop investor that took on risk and took out a mortgage loan to provide property for a complete stranger. Now let's say that you achieve what we'll call success, quote, unquote, success as a real estate entrepreneur, because you just added your 20th rental unit, right? You had 19, as soon as you go to 20, then is that the right level at which you're supposed to start being denigrated? But up to that point, it was okay. I mean, see, this can sound a little silly. In fact, just last week, at the New Orleans investment conference, I met a GRE listener and investor, Jenny from Indiana. She actually owns 19 rental units. They're mostly single family rentals. All right. Well, is it okay to own 19? But then she should start being resented once she adds her 20th property and serves that many people, that doesn't make any sense, and neither does resenting Bezos, I mean, he grew up in challenging conditions with a 17 year old mother and An alcoholic father. Bezos worked, innovated, took risks, raised money. His Guiding Light at Amazon has been an ethical three words, serve the customer. That's a good thing. He came from disadvantaged conditions to serve the customer. And the good news here is that you can do this too. You don't need to have a certain body type or an IQ. Serve the tenant, serve the market. I mean, I have seen successful entrepreneurs that are overweight, short, old, young, tall, female, male, even dyslexic, and they have all crushed it in business among the world's 8 billion people. You yourself see life in a way that no one else sees it. So at some point you learn that you really can't sing like Taylor Swift, or jump over a car like LeBron, or be as funny as. Meet bargatsi, but you can be you, and that's enough, but you have to do and, oh yeah, not give up every time things get tough, but nobody's stopping you. An entrepreneur is a crazy person who risks their own money for freedom, rather than exchanging their freedom for money, you took the leap critics stand on the sidelines when they're disparaged only because they're wealthy. It says more about the critic than it says about you, the successful entrepreneur and real estate investor. So instead, you can ask yourself the question, what is stopping me from creating my own version of that success? We misdirect our emotions when we vilify entrepreneurs and glorify stage performers merely based on what's more visible, more emotional and more imitative, rather than the Creator of the products and services that put real value in your life. So don't be ashamed of applying yourself and using your ingenuity in your strategy, in your careful risk taking for earning more income for yourself. We shouldn't disparage Bezos, LeBron, Taylor Swift or Dua Lipa for the wealth, because it is the same kind of success that we all wish that we could have.    coming up in future weeks on the show here we're getting closer to the end of the year where I will reveal get rich education's home price appreciation forecast for next year right here on the show. And I'm gonna give you an exact percentage national home price appreciation number. You're gonna know what to expect. I've done that for you for a few years here now I think this is gonna be the fourth year in a row where I'm doing it. It's sort of becoming a tradition, but coming up before that here on the show, I've shared with you how you know it's usually going to take you five years or more to go from your day job to financial freedom through real estate investing, but we've had some nice appreciation the last few years, and some GRE listeners are doing it faster than five years pretty soon, here, I'm gonna have a conversation with the GRE listener that applied principles that he heard here on the show, and he quit his job for real estate in just three years, he's gonna be here with me and tell you how he did it. Thanks for listening.   Hey, go ahead andtell a friend about the show here, take a screenshot and post it on your social media. I really appreciate you sharing the GRE Podcast with your friends and others until next week, I'm your host. 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521: Terrible Predictions, "End the Fed" and Capitalism with Mises Institute President Dr. Thomas DiLorenzo

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President of the Mises Institute and author of “How Capitalism Saved America”, Dr. Thomas DiLorenzo joins us to uncover the current state of capitalism and if it still exists in America. Earlier in the episode, Keith discusses the inaccuracy of economic predictions, citing examples like the 2023 recession that never happened, the negative impact of misinformed predictions on investment decisions and business growth.  Persistent housing price crash predictions have been consistently wrong despite global pandemics and higher mortgage rates. Dr. DiLorenzo advocates for #EndTheFed to reduce inflation and restore free market principles. Learn how voluntary exchange between buyer and seller through market prices communicates information and influences production. Resources: Learn more about Austrian economics and Ludwig von Mises through visiting mises.org  Show Notes: GetRichEducation.com/521 For access to properties or free help with a GRE Investment Coach, start here: GREmarketplace.com Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Invest with Freedom Family Investments.  You get paid first: Text FAMILY to 66866 For advertising inquiries, visit: GetRichEducation.com/ad Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review”  GRE Free Investment Coaching: GREmarketplace.com/Coach Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free— text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Complete episode transcript:   Automatically Transcribed With Otter.ai     Keith Weinhold  00:00 Keith, welcome to GRE. I'm your host. Keith Weinhold, reviewing some terrible economic predictions and why it matters to you. Then the President of the Mises Institute joins us. Does capitalism still exist in the US and what would happen if we ended the Fed, today on get rich education.   00:24 Since 2014 the powerful get rich education podcast has created more passive income for people than nearly any other show in the world. This show teaches you how to earn strong returns from passive real estate investing in the best markets without losing your time being a flipper or landlord. Show Host Keith Weinhold writes for both Forbes and Rich Dad advisors, who delivers a new show every week since 2014 there's been millions of listener downloads of 188 world nations. He has a list show. Guess who? Top Selling personal finance author Robert Kiyosaki, get rich education can be heard on every podcast platform, plus it has its own dedicated Apple and Android listener phone apps build wealth on the go with the get rich education podcast. Sign up now for the get rich education podcast, or visit getricheducation.com   Corey Coates  01:09 You're listening to the show that has created more financial freedom than nearly any show in the world. This is get rich education.   Keith Weinhold  01:25 welcome to GRE from Syracuse, Sicily to Syracuse, New York, and across 188 nations worldwide, you're listening to one of the longest running and most listened to shows on real estate investing. This is Get Rich Education. I'm your host, Keith Weinhold, now a lot of media companies and pundits and influencers like to make predictions. Listeners like learning about predictions and by engaging just a little of that each of the past few years on one of the last episodes of the year. Here, I forecast the national home price appreciation rate for the following year, many media outlets, pundits and influencers have made terrible, just absolutely terrible, predictions about interest rates and other financial forecasts. Last year, a majority of Pro prognosticators firmly forecast six or eight Fed rate cuts this year, for example, well, we're going to have far fewer, and that's because high inflation kept hanging around. Then there's the 2023 recession that never happened, yet both Bloomberg and the economist actually published some rather ignominious headlines, as it turned out, they published these in the fall of 2022 Bloomberg, big headline was forecast for us, recession within year hits 100% in blow to Biden, well, That was false. That didn't come true. I mean, 100% that doesn't leave you any room for an out. And then also published in the fall of 2022 The Economist ran this headline why a global recession is inevitable in 2023 All right, well, they both believed in a recession, and they believed in it so deeply that it got fossilized. Well, an economic archeologist like me dug it up.   Dr Thomas DiLorenzo  03:31 We are going to die   Keith Weinhold  03:35 well, but I didn't risk my life like Indiana Jones did there. This archeology, it only involves some Google searches. Well, here's the thing. What's remarkable about America staving off a mammoth recession and leaving all the other g7 nations in the economic dust is the fact that merely predicting a recession often makes it come true. Just predicting one often turns a recession into a self fulfilling prophecy. Yeah, recession forecast headlines alone, they can spook employers from making new hires and slow down manufacturing, and it can also disillusion real estate investors from expanding their portfolios. Well, the US economy grew anyway, besides the farcical prognostications about myriad interest rate cuts in a quote, unquote definite 2023 recession that never happened. You know, there's also a third forecast that so many got wrong. And you probably know what I'm gonna say. I've brought it up before, because this hits our world, those erstwhile and well still ever present housing price crash predictions. I mean this facet of the gloom boom really ramped up from 2020 One until today, even a global pandemic, new wars and a triplicate mortgage rates couldn't stop the housing price surge and the rent surge. A lot of doomsdayers just couldn't see, or they didn't even want to see that a housing shortage would keep prices afloat. They didn't want to see it because they get more clicks when they talk about the gloom government stimulus programs also buoyed prices, and deep homeowner equity cushions will still keep prices afloat. Ever since 2021 here on the show, I've used that rationale and more to explain that home prices would keep appreciating, but that the rate of appreciation would slow down, and it has slowed down since 2021 see YouTubers tick tockers. They notoriously use woe begone housing crash headlines, because that gets more clicks and then some of the rationale behind this. The reasoning is just dreadful, like, what goes up must come down, all right? Well, this is like, why does it matter? Who cares about wrong predictions anyway? What's the point? Well, people become misinformed. People waste their time on these things and see no one loses money on dismal economic predictions. But the damage is done, because when investors don't act well, then they didn't get the gain that they should have had. Businesses didn't get the gain that they should have had when they could have made new investment and hired new employees sooner. And of course, a recession is going to happen sometime. They occur, on average, every five to six years. It is just a normal part of the business cycle will collectively these three faulty economic predictions, rate cuts, a recession and a housing price crash. I think if you bundle them all up combined, it could be as bad as one doomsday prediction about worldwide starvation or the Mayan apocalypse. Remember that the wide to K bug, the acid rain, even that the internet is just a fad that ran a buck 30 years ago. World War Three is eminent, robots overtaking humans, or how about running out of crude oil. I mean, we're definitely all supposed to have jet packs in flying cars by now, right? But yet, did anyone have the clairvoyance to predict the stock market crash of 1929 or September 11 terrorist attacks, or Trump's surprise, 2016 presidency or Bitcoin hitting 70k A while back, or the coronavirus. So really, overall, the bottom line here with predictions is that no one knows the future. Control what you can maintain equanimity, add good properties, gradually raise rent, reduce expenses, create leverage and expect inflation truly the best way to predict the future is to create it in just that way. Well is the USA capitalistic nation today. That's what we'll discuss later with this week's guest. When Chuck Todd hosted the show Meet the Press, he interviewed AOC about this. Yes, I'm talking about us. House Rep from New York, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, what she say? You   08:34 have said you are democratic socialist. Can you be a Democratic socialist and a capitalist? Well, I think it depends on your interpretation. So there are some Democratic socialists that would say, Absolutely not. There are other people that are democratic socialists that would say, I think it's possible. What are you? I think it's possible. I think you say to yourself, I'm a capitalist, but I don't say that. You know, if anything, I would say, I'm I believe in a democratic economy, but.   Keith Weinhold  09:03 okay, well, I'm not sure if that clears it up at all. And I've listened to more of that clip, and it just makes things more confusing. But I think that most people have trouble drawing a line between capitalism and neighboring economic systems. Where exactly do you draw that line? I don't know exactly where to draw it. When I think of capitalism, I think of things though, like removal of interventionist central planning and allowing the free market to run with few guardrails. And then there's an issue like labor unionization. I don't really know about something like that. This is a real estate show. I'm still forming an opinion on a topic like that. In you know, some of this gets political, and that's beyond the scope of get rich education. The Fed was created in 1913 that central planning, its central banking from 1987 to. 2006 Alan Greenspan reigned as Fed chair. Those were his years, and he became even more interventionist. And then his successor, Ben Bernanke, maybe even more so with quantitative easing and such. Let's talk about, should they end the Fed and capitalism with this week's expert guest. You very well may have heard of the late, famed Austrian American economist Ludwig von Mises today, the Mises Institute carries on his legacy, and this week's guest is none other than the President of the Mises Institute. He's also the number one best selling author of how capitalism saved America and his newer book with a title that I love, The Politically Incorrect Guide to Economics. Hey, it's great to have you here. It is. Dr Thomas DiLorenzo.   Dr Thomas DiLorenzo  11:00 pleased to be with you. Thanks for having me.Th   Keith Weinhold  11:02 Well, Dr DiLorenzo, for those that don't know, just tell us a bit in an overview about Austrian economics and what Ludwig von Mises stood for.   Dr Thomas DiLorenzo  11:02 Well, Ludwig von Mises was the preeminent critic of socialism and fascism in Europe, and in his day, he fled the Nazis literally hours before the Gestapo broke into his apartment in Geneva, because he was the preeminent critic of fascism and socialism, and he was also Jewish, and so he had to get out of town. And he miraculously ended up after wandering through Europe with his wife in New York City, and he taught at New York University for many years, until he died in 1973 and but the Austrian School of Economics is a school of thought. It has nothing to do with, necessarily, with the Government of Austria, the country of Austria, just this the founder of a man named Carl Menger happened to be from Austria, but probably the most famous or well known among Americans would be Friedrich Hayek, who won the Nobel Prize in 1970s he was a student of Ludwig von Mises and critics of interventionism, critics of socialism. We teach about free markets, of how markets actually work and how governments don't work. And that's in a nutshell, that's what it's about. And you could check out our website, mises.org, M, I, S, E, S.org, you can get a great economic education. We have a lot of free books to download. Some of them are downloaded 30 or 40,000 times a month. Still, it's even Mises old books like human action, first published in the 1960s and so you can get a great education just by reading our website.   Keith Weinhold  12:42 Well, congratulations, that's proof that you're doing an excellent job of carrying on the Mises legacy into the present day, a lot of which is championing capitalism. Do we have capitalism in the United States today?   Dr Thomas DiLorenzo  12:59 I was an economics professor from 40 years before I got this job as President of the Mises Institute. And I used to say we had islands of socialism in a sea of capitalism at the beginning of my career. But now I'd say it's the opposite, that we have islands of capitalism in a sea of socialism. And socialism, this data is not defined anymore as government ownership. That was, you know, about 100 years ago, the socialism. It's basically government control of industry and in addition to government ownership. So the instruments of the welfare state, the income tax and the regulatory state, is our version of socialism, or central planning, if you will. And it's the Federal Reserve the Fed, which is a government agency that orchestrates the whole thing, really, it's a big, massive central planning industry that controls, regulates basically every aspect of any kind of financial transaction imaginable. They list in their publications over 100 different functions of the Federal Reserve. It's not just monetary policy. It's a big regulatory behemoth, and so that's that's what the Fed is. That's what I think we have today. A friend of mine, Robert Higgs, a well known economic historian, says our system is what he calls participatory fascism. And fascism was a system where private enterprise was permitted, but it was so heavily regulated and regimented by the government that industry had to do what government wanted to do, not what its customers wanted it to do, so much, and a large part of our economic system is just like that, and we get to vote still, so that's where the participatory and comes in, and the pin of Robert Hinz.   Keith Weinhold  14:41 yeah, maybe at best, I can think of today's system as capitalism with guardrails on but the guardrails keep getting taller. And I think of guardrails as being, for example, regulatory agencies like the Fed in FINRA. In the FDA.   Dr Thomas DiLorenzo  15:01 It is the beginning of my career. You know, I studied economics and a PhD in economics, and there was a big literature on what's called regulatory capture. And it was sort of a big secret among US economic academics. There was all this research going on and how the big regulatory agencies created by the federal government in the late 19th, early 20th centuries, were captured by the industries that they were supposed to be regulating. Right? The theory was they would regulate these industries in the public's best interests. But what has happened from the very beginning is they were captured by the industries, and they benefit the industry at the expense of the public. But today, that's caught on thanks to people like Robert Kennedy Jr, frankly, has been a very popular author. He sold a gazillion copies of his book on Anthony Fauci, and in it, he explains in tremendous detail how the Food and Drug Administration was long ago captured by the pharmaceutical companies. And he's not the only one. I think that that is being more and more recognized by people outside of academic economics, like me, and that's a good thing, and that's sort of the worst example of crony capitalism. It's not real capitalism, but crony capitalism making money through government connections, rather than producing better products, cheaper products and so forth.   Keith Weinhold  16:21 I watched RFK Jr speak in person recently, and I was actually disappointed when he effectively dropped out of the upcoming presidential race. And I do want to talk more with you about the Fed shortly, but with all these regulatory agencies and how I liken them to guard rails. You know, I sort of think of it as a watchdog system that's failing. You mentioned the FDA. I know RFK Jr brought them up an awful lot, the Food and Drug Administration that are supposed to help regulate what we put inside our own bodies in our diet. But these systems are failing. We have regulatory agencies in industry, industry in regulatory agencies. I mean, look at the obesity rate. Look at all the ultra processed food that's allowed. Look at all the seed oils that are allowed in food that people actually think are healthy for them. So this system of capitalism with guardrails is failing almost everywhere you look.   Dr Thomas DiLorenzo  16:22 I wouldn't call it capitalism. I wouldn't use the word capitalism at all, other than crony capitalism, people can relate to that. You know, a lot of these regulatory agencies were lobbied for in the first place by industry. That while the very first one was the Interstate Commerce Commission, it was in the 1880s it was meant to regulate the railroad companies. The first president was the president of a Railroad Corporation, the head of the Interstate Commerce Commission. So talk about the fox guarding the hen house. That was from the very beginning. And so in a sense, this word capture theory of regulation, which Kennedy has used, they weren't really captured. They always were created by the government. The same is true of all the so called Public Utilities. It was the corporations, the electric power companies, the water supply companies, that lobbied for governments to give them a monopoly, a legal monopoly, in electricity, water supply and all these things that were called natural monopolies, but there was nothing natural about them. There was vigorous competition in the early 20th century in telephone, electricity, water supply, and that was all set aside by government regulation, creating monopolies. For example, in electric power, there's an economist named Walter primo who wrote a book some years ago showing that always have been several dozen cities in America that never went this way, that always allowed direct competition between electric power companies. And what do you know, better service and lower prices. As a result, they did dozens of statistical studies to demonstrate this in his book.   Keith Weinhold  18:58 Okay, well, that's a great case study. Why don't we talk about what things would look like if we took down one of these agencies? We're a real estate investing in finance show. Sometimes it's a popular meme or hashtag to say, end the Fed. What would it look like if we ended the Fed?   Dr Thomas DiLorenzo  19:18 Well, the Fed was created in 1913 in the same era, with all these other regulatory captured agencies were created, right? And it was created basically to cartelize and create a cartel for the banking industry to make it almost impossible to go bankrupt. They've been bailing out foolish bankers for 111 years. And of course, the biggest example was that as the crash of 08 after they they handed Goldman Sachs and other big investment banks billions of dollars. That was a direct assault on capitalism itself, because capitalism, as you know, is a profit and loss system. It's not a I keep the profits. You pay for my losses system. You're the taxpayer. But that's what happened with that. So the Fed would. Fall into that the Fed is actually the fourth central bank in America. We had three other ones. First one was called Bank of North America. Its currency was so unreliable, nobody trusted it went out of business in a year and a half. And then we created something called the Bank of the United States in 1791 same thing. It created boom and bust cycles, high unemployment, price inflation, corrupted politics. It was defunded after 20 years, and then it was brought back to fund the debt from the war of 1812 and so we had a Second Bank of the United States. It did the same thing, boom and bust cycles, price inflation, corrupted politics. Benefited special interest, but not the general interest, and President Andrew Jackson defunded it, and so we went without a central bank from roughly 1840 until 1913 so we've had experience of that. And what we had been was competing currencies, and that would be sort of a stepping stone. If we got rid of the fed, we wouldn't have to abolish the Fed altogether. We could amend the charter to the Fed to say you're no longer permitted to buy bonds. Can't buy government bonds anymore. That's how they inflate the money supply, right? By buying bonds. That's totally unnecessary. And we could just just that would be a great step forward, and we would sort of whittle away our $80 trillion debt, if you count again upon count the unfunded liabilities of the federal government,   Keith Weinhold  21:26 if we did end the Fed, what would the price of money? Which are interest rates really look like? Would a new market rate be sent by individuals and companies on the free market like Bank of America, with a customer or borrower settling on an interest rate that they both agree to.   Dr Thomas DiLorenzo  21:44 You know, the Fed uses sort of Soviet style economics, price control. The economists and are all getting all over Kamala Harris for recommendations for price controls on rent and other things. Well, the Fed price control. They control the price of money. That's what they do. And so there's a big, kind of a comical thing that here you have all these economists, if they were to teach economics in the week one, they would teach about the bad effects of price controls, and then they get a job at the Fed, and they spend their whole career enforcing price controls on money, and the interest rate would be determined by supply and demand for credit and inflationary expectations. That's what the market does. And you wouldn't have these bureaucrats at the Fed tinkering around with interest rates, creating tremendous arbitrage opportunities for Wall Street investors. With all the movements and interest rates, you'd have much more stable interest rates, and and you wouldn't have this ridiculous system where the Fed says we need to always have forever at least 2% inflation. And of course, they never meet that, and they lie about it. I don't believe for one minute that the price inflation right now is 3% or under 3% that's ridiculous, right? And so things should be getting cheaper. Everything should be getting cheaper because of all the technology we have. My first PC I bought in the early 80s for $4,000 and it was a piece of prehistoric junk compared to my cell phone today, that almost for free. Almost everything should be like that agriculture, but the reason it isn't is the Fed keeps pumping so much money in circulation, that it pumps up the demand for goods and services, and that's what creates price inflation. And by its own admission, that's what it does, even though it's charter, it's original charter said they're supposed to fight inflation. All of a sudden, about 10 years ago or so, they announced, south of blue, we always have to have at least 2% inflation. Congress had nothing to do with that. President had nothing to do with that, and the people of America had nothing to do with that. It was dictators like Alan Greenspan and Ben Bernanke that just make these announcements. And where does that come from when we live under the dictatorship of the Fed? And of course, the people who are hurt the most by the Fed are elderly people are living on relatively fixed incomes and are forced to become Wall Street speculators they want to make any more money other than their fixed income, where, you know, during the days of Greenspan, when they're pursuing zero interest rates, maybe the mortgage industry like that, but the people on retirement income were starving as a result of that. So it's been sort of an economic war on the retired population.   Keith Weinhold  24:24 Things should get faster and cheaper to produce, like you said. However, there's definitely one thing that's not getting faster to produce, that's housing build times. Housing build times have actually gone up, which is sort of another discussion unto itself. But we talk about the Fed and then setting prices. People wouldn't stand for setting the price or having price controls on oil or lumber or bananas, but yet we set the price of money itself. People have just become accustomed to that. Yet it's that money itself that we use to buy oil and lumber and bananas the fed with that dual mandate of stable prices and maximum employment. If we did abolish the Fed, what would happen to the rate of inflation?   Dr Thomas DiLorenzo  25:12 Well, we would have less inflation. It's supposed to what we replace it with. There's some system would be a replacement, but we wouldn't have the boom and bust cycles that we have now. There's been research in the past 100 years or so of the Fed, and what the academic researchers have concluded is that the Fed has made the economy in general more unstable than it was before we had the Fed and price inflation. That's a joke. The dollar is worth maybe three cents of what it was in the year 1913 right when the Fed was created. So it has failed on all accounts. And so if we got rid of it, we would reverse that. The idea would be to start out with a competing money system. And I'll tell you a quick story is, you know the word Dixie from the south, you know land of Dixie that was named after a currency by a New Orleans bank called the Dix D, I x 10 in French, and it was 100% gold reserve. It was backed by something real and valuable, and it was so popular as even used in Minnesota. But that's why the whole south, the states in the South, were using this currency, because it was so reliable. But during the Civil War, the national currency acts imposed taxes on the competing currencies and taxed them out of business and established the greenback dollar, as it was called, as the Monopoly money of the country. We didn't get a central bank during the Civil War, but we got that. And so that's the kind of system that we would have. Friedrich Hayek wrote a whole book about this, about competing currencies, called the denationalization of money. He poses that as a good stepping stone to a freer market in money. And like you said, Money is the most important thing. Is most more important than bananas or shoes or any of these other things that we might have price controls on.   Keith Weinhold  27:01 All right, so we're talking about the case for ending the Fed. What is the counter argument? I mean, other than the government wanting control, is there a valid, or any academic counter argument for keeping the Fed in place?   Dr Thomas DiLorenzo  27:16 The Fed has an army. I call it the Fed's Praetorian Guard of academics. There was a research article published by an economist named Larry White at George Mason University several years ago, and he found that 75% of all the articles in the academic journals regarding money, monetary policy and so forth, are by people who are basically paid by the Fed, one way or the other. Either they're fed economists, or they've been invited to a conference by the Fed, or they're an intern some relationship with the Fed. The late Milton Friedman once said, If you want a career as a monetary economist, it's not a good idea to criticize the biggest employer in your field. So there's a lot of nonsense about that. And so yes, you'll have all sorts of rationales, but it basically comes down to this, that we think we can do central planning better than the Russians did under communism, because the Fed is basically an economic central planning agency, and there's no reason to believe Americans are better at it than the Russians or anybody else. And it basically comes down to that, you know, studying the past 111 years that's showing Well, yeah, they've been trying that for 111 years. They've made the economy more unstable, and they have failed miserably to control inflation. And why should we give them another chance? Why should we continue along this road? We shouldn't So, yeah, there'll be all kind of excuses the late Murray Rothbard, who was one of the founders of the Mises, who once answered this question by saying, It's as though people said, Well, say the government always made shoes. 100 years ago they took over the shoe industry. People would be saying, who will make shoes if the government doesn't make shoes? The government has always made shoes, right? But the government has not always monopolized the money supply. It's only like I said, we abolished three Feds in our history. In American history, they weren't called the Fed, but they were central banks. And the Fed is called a central bank, and we've done that three times. We've abolished more central banks than we have kept in American history.   Keith Weinhold  29:17  We're talking with Dr Thomas D Lorenzo. He is the president of the Mises Institute. About, is there really any capitalism left more when we come back, this is Get Rich Education. I'm your host. 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Instead of earning less than 1% sitting in your bank account, the minimum investment is just 25k you keep getting paid until you decide you want your money back. Their decade plus track record proves they've always paid their investors 100% in full and on time. And I would know, because I'm an investor too. Earn 8% hundreds of others are text family to 66866, learn more about freedom. Family investments, liquidity fund on your journey to financial freedom through passive income. Text, family to 66866.   Kristen Tate  31:11 This is author Kristen Tate. Listen to Get Rich Education with Keith Weinhold, and Don't quit Your Daydream.   Keith Weinhold  31:27 welcome back to get rich education. We're talking with Dr Thomas DiLorenzo. He is the president of the Mises Institute. You can learn more about them @mises.org and Dr DiLorenzo. Frederick Hayek, an economist that you mentioned very well known and a student of Ludwig von Mises, he believed that prices are a communication mechanism between a buyer and a seller. Say, for example, there's a new style of single family rental home that everyone wants to rent. So therefore the rent price goes up when other builders see that the rent price goes up, that brings in more builder competition, and with more competition, that brings rent prices down, and then the world is filled with abundant housing, rather than a scarcity of housing. So that's how I think of a free market system within capitalism as working, as defined through Hayek.   Dr Thomas DiLorenzo  32:22 You know, the consumer is king. Von Mises once wrote about the same point where he said that people mistakenly believe that it's the bankers and the CEOs and the businesses that control what gets produced and so forth, but it's really the consumer. You build a housing development then people don't want those houses. You'll find out real fast who's in charge. It's not the mortgage brokers. It's not the bankers. It's not you, it's the consumer. That's the free market system, and if you do without it, and not using the free market system, whether it's for money or anything else, is kind of like trying to find your way around a strange city with no street signs, and the prices are the street signs that tell us what to do, exactly like you said, if there's strong demand for a certain type of housing, that'll drive the price up, and that'll tell the home builders, we can make money building more of these. And they will do that. Nobody tells them. The Chairman of the Fed doesn't have to tell them that the President doesn't have to tell them that Congress doesn't have to issue a declaration telling them to do that. That was the Soviet Union where they tried that. And that's the great thing about the market, is that the consumer can tell the richest man in the world like Elon Musk, go play in the traffic. Elon Musk, if they don't like his cars or whatever he's producing, even though he's the richest man in the world. And he understands that he's a pretty successful businessman, I would say, and so so he understands that the consumer is his boss.   Keith Weinhold  33:53 Well, what else do we need to know? You have published a lot of celebrated books, from how capitalism saved America to the politically incorrect guide to economics. What else might a real estate investor or an economic enthusiast need to know today? Oh,   Dr Thomas DiLorenzo  34:10 well, I think everybody needs to be their own economist. You can listen to the talking heads on TV and on podcasts and all that, but educate yourself and become your own economist. Because a lot of the people on TV, as you might see on the news, they have an ax to grind, or they have a sort of a hidden financial interest beyond what they're saying, Be your own economist. And that's why I'm selling my website, which is everything on it, it's for free, mises.org, and there are quite a few others too. You don't have to go to school, you don't have to get a degree. You can get a good economic education, for example, on money. We're in the middle of giving away 100,000 copies of a book called What has government done to our money. I'm Murray rothbar. You go to our website, scroll down to the bottom, and you can fill out a form online, and we'll send you free books and. You can educate yourself that way. And so just in general, I think that's what people need to do. I taught MBA students for many years who are people in their 30s or maybe even early 40s, who didn't have economics degrees, but they were really into it, and for the first time in their careers, they decided maybe I should understand how the economic world that I live in and work in every day operates rather than going through your life and your career without you. Might know all about real estate sales, but it's also useful to know about the economy in general and how things work.   Keith Weinhold  35:35 And when one becomes their own economic student and they take that on, I think it's important for them, like you touched on to not just consume the economic news that's on CNBC or other major media, because that doesn't really tell you how to create wealth. It might inform you, but it doesn't necessarily tell you how to take action. For example, on this show an educational channel, you might learn about a story about rising inflation like we had starting three or four years ago. And here we talk about how, okay, if inflation is going to be a long term economic force, you may or may not like what the Fed is doing, but rather than save money, borrow money, outsource that debt service to the tenant on a cash flowing asset like a single family home or an apartment building. And that inflation that you're learning about on CNBC will actually benefit you and debase your debt with prudent leverage on a property, for example, so not just consuming the news, but learning and educating yourself and acting.   Dr Thomas DiLorenzo  36:34 Oh, sure, well It just so happens that last night, I was talking to a friend of mine who's a real estate professional. They're all talking about, Oh, are we going to have a slight drop in interest rates? And I reminded them that there will be a part of the market if they see it, if we do have a slight drop in interest rates, we'll look at that and say, well, maybe this is a new trend. And so I'll sit back and I'll wait. I'm not going to buy now, because I think the interest rates are going to go down even further in the next six months there were, there would be some segment of the market that thinks that way. And so that's just one little thing. Another thing I would mention is that one of the basic tenets of free market economics is that voluntary trade is mutually beneficial. People buy and sell from each other, because both sides benefit. And that's very important for any business person to keep in mind as you structure business deals, because you know about business deal that is successful is basically, I will give you what you want, and you give me what I want, and we're both happy. And that's that's one of the main tenets of how the market works. Voluntary exchange is mutually beneficial. So think about how to make it mutually beneficial, and you'll succeed in making a deal.   Keith Weinhold  37:45 Well, it's been an excellent discussion on Is there any capitalism left, and how would it look like if we turned the course and created more capitalism here in the United States? It's been great having you on the show.   Dr Thomas DiLorenzo  37:58 Thank you.   Keith Weinhold  38:05 Yeah , again, Learn more @mises.org or look up books by Dr Thomas DiLorenzo. His viewpoint is that there are now merely islands of capitalism in a sea of socialism where those conditions were inverted last century. We've got to end the complex between the government and corporations that these watchdogs are basically powerless when the fox is guarding the henhouse. Dr dilorezzo says we could change the Fed charter so that they couldn't buy bonds, which should reduce inflation. So he does offer a way forward there, a solution.  In capitalism, he consumer is king. This is a good thing. You yourself are empowered because you get to vote with your dollars. So therefore what you buy more of society will see and make more of but a prosperous, progressive economy that should be able to produce goods and services that are constantly cheaper because they get more and more efficient to make with innovation, but centrally planned inflation makes them more expensive, at least in dollar denominated terms. So progress should make things cheaper? Well, then everything should take fewer dollars to buy, homes, oil, bananas, grapes, but it doesn't, and it won't anytime soon, like I mentioned in the interview, there single family build times are taking even longer. That's not more efficient, and they're sure not getting cheaper. In fact, the National Association of Home Builders tells us that from permit to completion in 2015 it took 7.2 months to build a single family home. By 2019 it was up to 8.1 months and then. Last year, the time required to build a single family home from permit to completion was 10.1 months. That's not the side of an efficient economy. So basically, therefore, in the last eight, nine years, the time to build a home has gone from 7.2 months up to 10.1 months. That is a drastic increase in a short period of time. Just amazing. And we now have data after covid as well, broken down by region. The longest build time, by the way, is in New England, where it is 13.9 months to build a home from permit to completion. Gosh, such inefficiency. But despite all that stuff that you might find discouraging like that, I want to go out on a good news note here some encouraging sentiment for you, if you champion free markets, then invest in us rental property down the road, there is no centrally controlled ceiling on what you can sell your property for. Most places don't have rent control. In fact, there's been no federal rent control on private property since World War Two. And somewhat ironically, you benefit. You actually benefit from government backed loans at these low fixed rates, and now they're moderate fixed rates. You often get these through Fannie Freddie or the FHA. See you benefit from that particular government backing as a savvy borrower for rental property. And on top of this, you use the GRE inflation triple crown to flip over that not so capitalistic inflationary force. You flip it upside down and use it to your benefit, profiting fantastically from inflation. So you know how to take the situation you're given and use it to your advantage rather than your detriment. Big thanks to Dr Thomas DiLorenzo today, longtime econ professor and current Mises Institute president, more ways to build Real Estate Wealth coming up here for you on the show in future weeks, as always, with the dash of economics and wealth mindset. Until then, I'm your host. Keith Weinhold, Don't Quit Your Daydream.   42:28 Nothing on this show should be considered specific, personal or professional advice. Please consult an appropriate tax, legal, real estate, financial or business professional for individualized advice. Opinions of guests are their own. Information is not guaranteed. All investment strategies have the potential for profit or loss. The host is operating on behalf of get rich Education LLC, exclusively,   Keith Weinhold  42:56 The preceding program was brought to you by your home for wealth, building, getricheducation.com.  

Get Rich Education
520: How to Use Other People's Money for Your Rental Property Loan

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 23, 2024 42:36


Keith discusses his journey from an entitlement mentality to realizing the importance of wealth creation through real estate investing and shares the real estate shockwave that nobody is talking about. We are also joined by Caeli Ridge, President of Ridge Lending Group, as she explains the differences between owner-occupied and investor mortgage loans. Hear about the ease of entering real estate investing with no formal qualifications or high income required. Learn the concept of demographic shockwaves and how the aging population will influence housing demand in the future. How to ethically use other people's money to build wealth for yourself before you even own a property. Learn about the key differences between owner-occupied mortgage loans and investor mortgage loans, particularly the use of rental income in qualification. Resources: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Show Notes: GetRichEducation.com/520 For access to properties or free help with a GRE Investment Coach, start here: GREmarketplace.com Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Invest with Freedom Family Investments.  You get paid first: Text FAMILY to 66866 For advertising inquiries, visit: GetRichEducation.com/ad Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review”  GRE Free Investment Coaching: GREmarketplace.com/Coach Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free— text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Complete episode transcript:   Automatically Transcribed With Otter.ai      Keith Weinhold  00:01 Keith, welcome to GRE. I'm your host. Keith Weinhold, I'll discuss when I was an employee with a scarcity mindset, the real estate shock wave coming that no one's talking about, then, how you can ethically use other people's money to build wealth for yourself before you even own a property today, on get rich education.   00:24 Since 2014 the powerful get rich education podcast has created more passive income for people than nearly any other show in the world. This show teaches you how to earn strong returns from passive real estate investing in the best markets without losing your time being a flipper or landlord. Show Host Keith Weinhold rights for both Forbes and Rich Dad advisors, who delivers a new show every week since 2014 there's been millions of listener downloads of 188 world nations. He has a list show guests include top selling personal finance author Robert Kiyosaki. Get rich education can be heard on every podcast platform, plus it has its own dedicated Apple and Android listener phone apps build wealth on the go with the get rich education podcast. Sign up now for the get rich education podcast, or visit get rich education.com   Corey Coates  01:09 You're listening to the show that has created more financial freedom than nearly any show in the world. This is get rich education.    Keith Weinhold  01:25 welcome to GRE from Springfield Ohio to Springfield, Missouri and across 188 nations worldwide. I'm Keith Weinhold, and you are listening to get rich education. It's great to have you back for another week, and I genuinely appreciate your listenership, and I am grateful to have such a large audience. I've got to tell you, admittedly, coming out of college and in my first couple full time jobs, I wasn't always a good employee. I guess I had somewhat of an entitlement mentality. I'm not sure where that came from. I don't know that I can blame anyone else on planning it inside me. I don't know where I got this notion. It sure wasn't from my parents, but I kind of felt like somebody owed me a job just because I have a college degree and I'm good at showing up on time, yeah, like, I'm just a good representative for your company. I mean, now I can see that no one owed me a doggone thing. In fact, I owed my employer value. An employer actually takes a big risk on you when they hire you, paying you to train you until you're productive there. I mean, the hiring process itself is even expensive. Well, though I felt like someone owed me a job just out of college, somewhat Oppositely, I never expected any sort of high income at all, and I had quite a modest income in my first couple years out of college, just like a lot of recent college grads do, until it grew into something more. But my humble geography degree, it conditioned me to think lower income. I knew that going to college in Pennsylvania for geography in what interested me, I mean, that's what I went with, what interested me not what I could make money in well, then I couldn't find a job in my geography field at all. No one would really pay me to describe Asia's mountain ranges to them. So what I ended up doing is working under engineers at a construction and engineering firm, a few of them, one engineering firm really liked me and designated me as their new marketing person. Of all things, they wanted me to call prospective clients on the phone and meet them cold in person, because they just thought somehow, when they met me, that I could win new business for the engineering firm, just I guess, based on how I communicated with other people at other engineering companies, even though I couldn't even talk the language of engineering. Well, anyway, these disciplines engineering, and really it was construction inspection that I did for a while. You know, that stuff, even the marketing stuff, it just didn't fill my soul. And you must have felt this way at your job before. If you don't feel it perpetually, you aren't aligned with your purpose on this earth, and you're spending so many of your faculties and so much of your waking conscious life at that job. Well, motivation to escape that is what got me reading about wealth mindset and real estate investing. Since anyone can do it, no degree needed, no certification, zero formal qualification. And now I think I mentioned this to you before, but it's worth bringing up here again, a turning point is when I read one life changing sentence, just one little what is it? A. Five word sentence in a rich dad book, that pivotal paradigm shifting, course correcting sentence was, being wealthy is a choice. And when I first read being wealthy is a choice, I just didn't believe it. I thought that Robert Kiyosaki, the author, was wrong. Well now I know that he was right. I had thought that being rich is unobtainable. You had to be born into it, so unless you won the lottery, you can't achieve more than middle class. Well, I was wrong about that. Now I can't really say something like, oh, well, a college professor said that rich people are bad or, you know, I don't have that story. I can't blame anyone else for growing up with a limited, scarcity mindset, really, other than myself in the context that was created around me. I mean, growing up in Pennsylvania, I just knew that the carts family and the domileskeys, they had more than us. And that's just the way it would always be. It's sort of preordained, and other families had less than us, and these family trajectories were just cast in stone as to how it had to be. But the good news is that it's not, and this is still what makes America great, the fact that it takes zero formal training, zero risk parents, and not even a high salary for you to do something like get a three and a half percent down payment loan for owner occupied FHA fourplex or 20% down for a single family rental that produces income from day one in The Southeast or Midwest, you can plant that seed that get other people's money working for you seed in just that way, even if you're interested in something as unprofitable as geography. Now, a huge reason that people disparage the wealthy is rooted in jealousy and envy, and that is not good. There's no goodness in those emotions, and that is because people don't think it's obtainable for them. It's obtainable for almost anybody. Learning that it is within your reach that completely breaks down your resentment of the rich. Yes, indeed, being wealthy is a choice. Well, people are obtaining wealth in today's real estate market. Here, Redfin reported that through the latest quarter ended real estate investors bought fully one in four of the nation's most affordable homes. That's up 3% year over year. And as Redfin puts it, it's a sign that investor activity is stabilizing, and as homeownership remains out of reach for many Americans, real estate investors are coming out of hibernation to take advantage of robust demand from renters. So investors are buying a greater proportion of affordable homes, some of them through our marketplace, GRE marketplace. Now over the long term, let's think about how US housing is going to be positioned for sustainable demand. Demography is destiny. That's a quote attributed to 19th century philosopher Auguste coon Tay, it means that the size and structure of a population will influence its future. So then all we need to do is track the age of a population over time to sharpen and give clarity to a forecast. It is axiomatic that in 10 years, a 25 year old will be 35 No kidding. Well, what's important about the age of 35 is that is the average age of today's first time homebuyer. It's between 35 and 36 All right. Well, the US is peak birth year occurred in 2007 we know that just look at demographics. Well, then add 35 to it. Add 35 years to 2007 This means that, on average, they will buy their first home in the early 2040s a lot of people are going to be forming their first household, whether it's rent or buy around the year 2040, I mean, the peak in all of American history, a lot more people will need homes. In fact, more than 13,000 Americans are turning age 35 every single day for the foreseeable future for more than a decade. This year is the first year where we've ever had over 13,000 Americans turning 35 every single day. And that is projected to continue to happen every single year through 2035 and that's as late as the Census Bureau projection that I have goes on. On that stat this baked in demographic housing demand. Hey, if we don't get serious about building more housing fast, and it's likely that we won't, this will be analogous to a demographic shock wave that hits the housing market. The population aging into homeownership is projected to exceed the population aging out, as in the death rate for a long time. This will pump housing demand, and that's not all. I've only talked domestically so far. This doesn't even account for additional demand from immigration. And immigrants tend to be younger and are renters for a long duration, or just forever. On top of immigration, the average number of people per household is falling as well. In 1960 3.3, people live per household in 1990 it was down to 2.6 by 2023 it was down to 2.5 this means that more housing is required just in order to shelter the same population. But of course, the population won't stay static. So to keep piling on with the housing demand here, the overall US population is projected to grow as well, from 342 million today to 383 million in 30 years. That's per the CBO. The demographics for senior housing are even more bullish. And of course, when I use the word bullish like this, this bullish sentiment that's from the investor side. If you're looking to buy your first home or find a place to rent, this is all more discouraging than perhaps all of our perpetual struggles to live a balanced life or lose weight. This baked into the cake. Demand is almost perfectly predictable, and it's of seismic importance to the real estate market. And yet, despite that fact, you know, more investors curiously fixate for month after month on something like the Fed's interest rate decision or the next jobs report. I mean, this is both harder to predict and way less significant than the sustainable demographic demand for rental housing that you got right there. So really, to sum up, this segment demographics reveal that housing demand should stay high for decades, long term, then you should expect higher home prices, higher occupancy rates and higher rents. And you can benefit by owning many rental properties. And our guest and I are about to discuss how you can do exactly that own many rental properties, and how to do it efficiently with less cash out of your pocket, including how you can start using other people's money before you even own a property when you're trying to qualify for a loan on a rental property, in some cases, you can Use a portion of the tenant's rent income toward your qualification income. Let's talk with this week's guest. There's one place that's created more financial freedom through real estate than any other lender in the entire nation that's time for a big welcome back to their president, Caeli Ridge.   Caeli Ridge  13:23 Keith Weinhold, my friend, thank you for having me happy to be here, sir.   Keith Weinhold  13:26 Oh, it's so good to have you here. You're a longtime friend of the show and so many of our listeners that you've helped originate investor mortgage loans. Caeli leads Ridge lending group. They're an investor centric lender. She does such a good concise job of explaining specifically what real estate investors need to know in optimizing your loan positions. In fact, on a previous episode, she once broke down every single line of a closing disclosure form for us one by one, detailing each individual closing cost and prepaid item and in there, besides being specific income property loan experts, they're really thorough and helpful that way. Well, Caeli, tell us about the key differences between owner occupied mortgage loans for buying a primary residence and investor mortgage loans for a rental property.   Caeli Ridge  14:17 The key things are that on a rental property, probably the biggest difference is going to be that for a rental property, there's additional incomes that potentially we get to use to help offset that new monthly liability, aka the mortgage payment, p, i, t i, principal, interest, tax and insurance, we have access to income potentially to help offset that. So in the debt to income ratio category, it can be a huge boon or a huge benefit, depending on what the individual's qualifications are. Additionally, in that same theme, we're not just confined to a conventional Fannie Freddie loan for investors. We have things like the DSCR debt service coverage ratio that you would not be able to apply to a primary residence, but also allows for income to help identify whether the property qualifies for financing.   Keith Weinhold  15:04 So for prospective investor borrower is wondering whether we'll have enough income to qualify for that property or not. Is it a certain percentage of the tenants rent income that is used in the investor borrowers qualification income?   Caeli Ridge  15:19 absolutely, so conventional full doc mortgages they are going to receive in the acquisition year formula, because there's two formulas that will be used in underwriting. One is called the acquisition year. The other one is called the Schedule E I'll focus on the acquisition year. This is applicable from the date that they acquire the property and until that tax year's Federal tax return is filed. I needed to find up to in a minute they get up to 75% of the gross rents minus the proposed p, i, t, I, principal, interest, tax and insurance. Now I say up to because it depends on two primary criteria that the borrower must possess in order to get the full 75% so think about it this way. There's three buckets. Okay, the first bucket gets the full 75% of whatever the gross rents are. The easy math example that I give, let's say that the gross rents are $1,000 a month. The PI ti proposed payment is 500 a month. If they're in bucket number one, and they get the full 75% of 1000 they have 750 bucks, right? And from that they're going to subtract out the $500 of mortgage payment. In that example, it would leave them with a gain positive 250 so that individual came to us with a debt to income ratio of x as a result of purchasing this investment property, their DTI is going to go down because they're $250 richer monthly. So 75% is the maximum you can use in the acquisition year. That individual in that bucket has to demonstrate two things. One, they have a primary housing expense, whether that's a mortgage or they rent, either is fine. And then second, they need to be able to demonstrate that they can they've had 12 months of history in owning investment property. So if they have both of those two things, they get the full 75 if they have one or the other, they're in bucket number two, which gives us an offset. They cannot have the full 75% they don't get the full gain, but I can offset. So going back to my example, using $1,000 of income and $500 of mortgage payment, they can't have the 250 gain, but I can give them up to 500 making that a zero, right? It's covered completely the mortgage payment. It's not increased any debt or anything in the example. So DTI would stay exactly the same as where they began, when we started. And then finally, bucket number three would mean that individuals that have neither of those two things, no primary they live rent free, no primary house expense, and they do not have 12 months demonstrated history currently, of being an investor. They get zero of the rental income, so they've got to support the full new payment within their DTI and keep it within that 50% threshold. So that was a long explanation to the question, but I think that that pretty much covers it.   Keith Weinhold  17:56 Now, That's really helpful. Okay, that can help the borrower's debt to income ratio. I guess a lot of cases is going to be helping it out by a small amount. What if, say that investors buying a new build rental property and there is no tenant, hence no rent income there yet.   Caeli Ridge  18:11 I'm so glad you asked. So on a subject property basis, that is the property in which they're purchasing at the moment in time. It's called the subject property. Those properties do not need to be tenant occupied. We can use assumptive rental income from the appraisal on a rental property that will come with some additional forms. It's called a 1007, it's just the number on the page. Those are rental income comps. The appraiser has given us an average of what those rents are going to be, and that's what we're going to use the 75% calculation on.   Keith Weinhold  18:41 Okay, that's really good to know new build or resale rental property, that's going to work the same with either one there. Now I know oftentimes that one wants to qualify. When we look at non order occupied properties, rental properties with conventional conforming loans from Fannie or Freddie, typically, one puts 20% down on those properties we've talked before. I think one can put as little as 15% down, although they would have PMI in that case, or alternatively, rather than putting 20% down, last time I checked, they could put 25% down and get a lower interest rate. So can you talk to us about the interplay of the percent down payment for rental property.   Caeli Ridge  19:21 I'll start by saying, more often than not, when you do the math the capital expenditure, or in this case, the difference between 5% down 80 versus 75% divided by the monthly payment difference, you're going to find that the leverage is going to outperform the higher 80% will outperform the lower 75% but absolutely, to your point, the payment is going to be less for two reasons. At the 75% level, the interest rate will be lower because you've got more skin in the game. The interest rate, loan level, price adjustment for 75% is going to be more attractive than it will be at 20% down. So the rate will be lower. And of course. The loan amount is lower, so both of those combined characteristics are going to create better cash flow, it's true, and a lower monthly payment. However, the math that I always want to promote, that people are doing is looking at it side by side, all you have to do, and it's actually much easier than people, I think, assume. So you figure out the capital expenditure difference. Let's just use 100 grand, okay, because his math is simple. So you've got $5,000 in additional capital that you'd be bringing to the table for the 75% option, right? Versus retaining the five grand, the payment difference is 50 bucks a month. Okay? Whatever the number is, all you're going to do is take the five grand and divide that by the payment difference, and that will give the individual the number of months it takes them to recapture that capital for the savings. Generally, my opinion, per an investment property is that if that number is in excess of 36 months, it's going to take you over 30 or three years to recapture that capital versus the savings. I'd keep my money because I can do one of a few things with it. If I chose to, I could cash flow the 50 bucks myself every month for 100 months, if that was the math. Or I could apply that five grand and use it with some other monies, perhaps, and buy another investment property, or put it in different investment asset class that would provide a return so more often than not, when they do that math, my belief is, when I do it, I'd say even 95% of the time, the higher the leverage is going to be, the better return numbers.   Keith Weinhold  21:27 We're philosophically aligned that way. We're leveraged proponents here, typically the smaller down payment, 20% is going to be better for you long term than 25% even though you'll get a somewhat lower interest rate on a rental property, putting 25% down rather than 20% when we pull back, we look at the interest rate difference between an owner occupied property and a rental property. What is the spread between the interest rate? Of course, you're going to pay higher interest rate on a rental property because it's a lot less likely that the borrower is going to walk away from their own home than they would a rental property.   Caeli Ridge  22:02 exactly and this is a great segue into those LLPAs that I always like that we spend some time talking about. So llpa, loan level, price adjustment. So for the GRE listeners, this is a more complicated concept, so I'm going to try and quickly break it down. Keith loves it when I get so wordy. So llpa is a positive or a negative number that associates with the individual characteristics of the loan transaction. So one of those characteristics, obviously, is occupancy. The loan level price adjustment for a primary residence versus an investment property is quite different, and for the reasons exactly that you described, there's a lot less risk in a primary then there will be in a rental. Because if an individual needs to choose between defaulting on where they live and an investment property, if it came down to that, obviously they're going to maintain, yeah, so they got to choose. So skin in the game, risk, etc, generally speaking. And there's all those other variables too, credit score, loan size, loan to value, property type, purchase versus refi, those are all unique llpas That will have their own unique number. But in general terms, an owner occupied where you live is typically going to price out an interest rate about one percentage point lower than you would find on an investment property, generally, if we're comparing apples to apples.   Keith Weinhold  23:15 talking about that risk difference for the lender, just like in the 20% versus 25% down. Example, there's less risk for the lender when you put 25% skin in the game. Hence the lower interest rate there too. Caeli, tell us about fitting the right mortgage type to the borrower. And of course, there are so many types. There's 30 year versus 15 year, fixed rate mortgages versus Adjustable Rate Mortgages, interest only, DSCR loans like you touched on. So tell us about getting that right fit for that individual borrower.   Caeli Ridge  23:49 This is a bit of a rabbit hole. So what I would start by saying is we do at Ridge take a lot of time on the front end and identifying not only what their needs are, their goals are, but obviously what their qualifications are, and marrying all of those things together and coming up with a roadmap that I like to call it, depending on where the individual is in their journey of real estate investing, as the tax returns may continue to be filed, and how aggressive they want to be with their deductions, maybe some cost segregation. I know I'm getting a little bit technical here, but because we maintain and have all of those products, it's very, very uncommon, or very rare, that we find an investor, potential client, that we do not have some sort of loan product to satisfy what their end game or end goal is. And you know, maybe we continue to graduate them. Let's say that they start in a DSCR because they can't qualify for Fannie Freddie today, but that is their ultimate goal. We're going to provide them with the insight and the background or the feedback that plants the seeds and gets them to that place in six months or a year, or whatever. So I hope I answered the question, depending on their individual needs and goals and qualifications, of course, really will dictate which one of those is going to be applicable.   Keith Weinhold  25:00 We've got a lot more to discuss, including, is it easier to approve w2 incomes from a day job versus 1099 from contract or gig work? And more, we're talking with the nation's foremost expert on income property. She is the president of ridge lending group, Caeli ridge. More, we come back. I'm your host. Keith Weinhold.  hey, you can get your mortgage loans at the same place where I get mine, at Ridge lending group and MLS, 42056, they provided our listeners with more loans than any provider in the entire nation because they specialize in income properties. They help you build a long term plan for growing your real estate empire with leverage, you can start your pre qualification and chat with President Chaley Ridge personally. Start now while it's on your mind at Ridge lendinggroup.com. That's ridgelendinggroup.com. Your bank is getting rich off of you, the national average bank account pays less than 1% on your savings. If your money isn't making 4% you're losing your hard earned cash to inflation. 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These discussions are great, because debt, through leverage, builds wealth even faster than compound interest, as I've discussed, and Caeli is really the linchpin in her company, and help makes that happen with reliable income property loans and Caeli today, there are a lot more people with sharing economy income, gig economy income, or doing contract work, and they're paid with a 1099 form that shows their income for that year, versus a w2 employee wage job. So can you tell us about whether it's easier to approve those that have a w2 income and that versus the 1099   Caeli Ridge  28:03 I don't know that I would classify it as easier as harder. It's just different. So on the 1099 first and foremost, if you don't have a 24 month history of having that kind of income, you're not going to get a conventional loan. And assuming that we're going to kind of keep on that path of Fannie Freddie's. Because remember, guys, if you can't fit into those boxes. We've got 10 others that we can look to to get the financing for. But if we're in the Fannie Freddie, that's really where this is applicable, the 1099 and the w2 I mean, they're really equal in terms of the overall process. The difference would be that with 1099 you must have that 24 month history. The calculation is that we're going to take an average, it gets a little bit convoluted, like anything else that is leverage or financing related, but a 24 month average of 1099 unless we can show that that individual, let's say that they're self employed and maybe a Schedule C, and they've got their 1099 coming in through that way. If they can show five year history of having license or being self employed that way, that instead of having to use a 24 month average, we'll use a 12 month average, and that may be to their advantage. Let's say that the most recent year filed is in a bit of a decline from the prior year. Let's just use 2022 and 23 let's say 23 is a little bit lower than 22 a 24 month average is not going to be as big a number than if I were to just to be able to take the 12 month average of the most recent year. So if that individual can demonstrate they have five years of being or receiving that kind of income, then instead of being a 24 month average, I get to choose and just do the 12 month average. So that would be one thing about the 1099 that I would say otherwise, yeah, they're just different. I don't know that one is harder than the other. As long as the qualifications are there, they're there.   Keith Weinhold  29:43 When I think about this, I guess it does make sense from the lender perspective. If you're paid and shown income there on your 1099 from sharing economy work, gig economy work, or being self employed, that's more volatile work than having a day job. Um, as an employee.   Caeli Ridge  30:01 Sure, absolutely. And if you can demonstrate that you have that history and you've been able to consistently earn and have those numbers, it's okay, yeah, but without the 24 months, you're not going to get a conventional loan. You're gonna have to look at DSCR or something else.   Keith Weinhold  30:15 We're talking about what it takes to qualify for income property loans today with Ridge lending Group President Caeli Ridge, when we talk about that qualification bar that needs to be met. Caeli, you see so many loan applications in there. You have a team. You look at and deal with so many situations when you're free, you even pick up the phone, sometimes yourself, and you will talk to individual borrowers. So what do you see in there as the top reasons for not qualifying for an income property loan.   Caeli Ridge  30:42 The top reasons for not qualifying for a conventional loan probably is debt to income ratio, yeah, more often than not of the three basic criteria, which are assets, enough cash to close or reserves, credit and then DTI, I would say it's the DTI category that more often than not, is the culprit for qualifying or not. And it may be as simple as how they filed their last year's tax return and saying, Okay, before you file 2024 don't do that until you send Ridge a draft, so that we can get ahead of what you may not have known to look for last time. They could be very simple, little easy fixes. And you know, sometimes maybe it's they don't want to pay the extra taxes, which sometimes that might be required. In which case we say, okay, let's pivot over to the DSCR options. In which case, by the way, just as a quick sidebar, I'm finding that gap is starting to narrow a little bit to the point that it's a lot more affordable in terms of the investment property and what cash flow is expected than it used to be. The differences between a Fannie Freddie rate and a DSCR rate is starting to narrow a little bit. So if you have to be DSCR, I would not shy away from that just because you assume I think it's going to be more reasonable for cash flow properties.   Keith Weinhold  31:52 Yeah, I'll tell you, when I was an employee as a day job worker grinding in my eight by 10 cubicle, as it was back in the day, and I was buying income properties. Yeah, the main thing I would get held up on is that my debt to income ratio, my DTI, was too high, and my salary was pretty strong, although not fantastic, not astronomically high, but I felt like I was a guy that was pretty good, pretty prudent with my finances. And yeah, it didn't feel good to be told hey, Keith, to lower your DTI. You need to pay off your 3% automobile loan that's at a nice fixed interest rate. I didn't want to have to do that, but I was willing to do that to retire the small loan in order to qualify for the big loan.   Caeli Ridge  32:36 That makes sense. I might just offer a comment in that regard. What you may have experienced at that time could have been what we call an overlay in the industry. So, yes, like anything, right? Lenders aren't created equal. Because we're so investor friendly and focused, we are going to go by the purest form of those Fannie Freddie guidelines. It's called a seller's guide. And as an example, let's just say that Fannie Freddie gives you 75% of the subject properties, gross rents, whereas B of A or I'm just picking on B of I don't know why, but some other lender may impose an overlay. It's like layers of risk and saying, No, we're not going to give you any rental income credit whatsoever, even though the guideline says that we can do it, our overlay says, No, we can't. So depending on who you're working with, credit unions are a little notorious for that being a little bit more restrictive in their box of guideline. So it may not always be what you think. So if you've had a lender, tell you DTI wise, you don't qualify, but you feel like this is not quite right. You should double check that, because it may be an overlay.   Keith Weinhold  33:34 Everyone is interested in interest rates. It's been so interesting with what's happened the past few years, ever really, since the covid Emergency cut took place in 2020 and the volatility that we've seen in interest rates, then we saw interest rates max out in this cycle at about 8% almost a year ago. What does this declining interest rate environment mean at a mortgage loan company? And what do you see for the future of rates there?   Caeli Ridge  34:02 Well, rates have been coming down. If you guys are watching the headlines, you're seeing those sound bites. We have started to see some more refinance activity than we were seeing before, certainly additional purchases as we start to see interest rates come down, I am of the opinion that we're going to continue to see some improvement in the rate department, dependent on some of the jobs reports that we'll be getting soon, so we'll see. But My money is on that, we'll continue to see some nice tailwind in the rate department throughout the rest of the year, and who knows what's going to happen? I mean, this is our election year, etc. We'll see how the rest of it plays out.   Keith Weinhold  34:33 How does a prospective borrower get their financial house in order themselves before getting a hold of you and your team there, what are some of those checklist items that they should do themselves at home first?   Caeli Ridge  34:47 like I said a bit ago, so you've got those three primary criteria. If you're wanting to qualify for those conventional full doc loans, think about your credit Do you know what that credit score is? Now, depending on some other variables, it doesn't have to be 800 Credit scores to qualify. I mean, we've got clients as low as 650 that are able to get financing conventionally, because they've got compensating factors, similarly for assets on the investment property side, the down payment and the closing costs and the reserves, none of those things can be borrowed or gifted. And that's very different than if it was an owner occupied, gifted and borrowed funds are okay for an owner occupied, for an investment property, they have to be sourced and seasoned, meaning your own funds over the last 60 days. So think about that. What your down payment is going to be an estimate of closing costs and make sure that you have the appropriate amount of capital. And then finally, that debt to income ratio. That's a slippery or one to try and calculate that for yourselves. But if you think about your minimum payments on your credit report. That's really all that goes into it. Minimum payments, not the debt load. The minimum payments on the credit report divided by the monthly income, gross income, you should be able to come up with a number, and 50% is that threshold. So if you can kind of just take that kind of mental back of the napkin of your own, you should have a pretty good gage on whether or not you think you're going to be in this box, or if getting into the game, or continuing to be in the game, is going to require some alternative loan types.   Keith Weinhold  36:05 Inflation has been such a story for the past three or four years, but some people aren't aware that there's actually been credit score inflation. Last time I checked, the average credit score had been slowly rising in the United States. What's the highest credit score that gets one the lowest rate.   Caeli Ridge  36:22 We're staying in the Fannie Freddie department, 760 and above is all the same bucket, if the individual qualifications are identical, if this one has an 850 credit and this one has a 760 credit, exactly the same in the interest rate department.   Keith Weinhold  36:35 And then, once they've engaged with you, what about locking in their interest rate. What duration did they have prior to closing? Tell us about that timeline.   Caeli Ridge  36:45 So an interest rate can be locked on a 15 day lock, a 30 day lock, a 45 day lock, even a 60 or 90 day lock, typically it's a 30 day lock that's the average. The shorter the period of lock, the better the rate and or points that you would pay. And the longer is the adverse right? The higher the rate of the higher the points. I like to look at locking an interest rate, usually when we get the appraisal back, because an appraisal can be the piece that might delay or there may be some issues. So I generally like to see the appraisal first. We've been in such a volatile area with interest rates and what might be happening in the ups and downs, etc. I've broken that rule quite a few times over the last couple of years, I would say today, floating may be to our advantage, just because we feel like rates are on the run and that they may continue to improve. Keeping in mind, once you lock in your interest rate, it is locked. Ridge does have a policy that if interest rates were to fall five, eight of a percentage point or point 625, you would have a one time automatic float down option. It's highly unlikely, and that's why we can kind of put that in there. But if it happened, we would honor that. Otherwise, when you're locked, you're stuck with that rate. You can't expect that if an eight through a quarter point comes off of or rates come down that much, that you're going to get a different rate. The only way to do that would be to let the existing one expire for 30 days and then relock market, which is not advisable.   Keith Weinhold  37:59 Yeah, you the investor, has to think about how important a lock really is to you in this declining interest rate environment, almost everyone expects mortgage rates to fall more slowly than they rose. They spiked up so fast in 2022 Caeli, how does our audience engage with you? Get Started and go on their path to getting investment property loans.   Caeli Ridge  38:24 Three ways to reach us. Obviously, we've got our website. Please check us out there. There's a lot of good information, ridgelendinggroup.com you can email us at info@ridgelendinggroup.com, and then finally, toll free is 855-747-4343 855-74RIDGE is that easy way to remember, and we'll be here on standby. Thanks, Keith.   Keith Weinhold  38:43 Ridge is the same place where I get my income property loans. It's been great having you back on the show. Thank you. Yeah, strong. Well laid out material from cheyley here, as always, let me give us a perspective on creating value by having a good loan rather than not having the debt. Remember that just four weeks ago, here on Episode 516 it was the episode about is every debt worth paying off? And the short answer is no. I got a couple questions from listeners of that episode basically asking the same thing. Well, just say that interest rates are 6% and basically they're asking, well, if I pay all cash for a property or for a car, it doesn't matter what it is, then I avoid paying 6% interest. So right there is my six points of arbitrage. Well, to that, I say, okay, but look what if you think you can achieve a 12% investment return? Borrowing at six to invested 12 is a 6% spread. That's 6% arbitrage as well. But here's the thing, you've got a big advantage of doing this with the loan rather than the paid off condition. This is because. With the loan, you still have the use of your money. You haven't given it away. You still have your money, plus the six points of arbitrage in the paid off condition. You've got six points of arbitrage and you don't have the use of the money any longer. That's the big difference, and that's the value of having a loan, as long as you can service the payments. Getting back to mortgage loans, in today's episode, there are so many loan types for property, conventional, Fannie, Freddie's, dscrs, Portfolio loans, bridge loans, rehab loans, recourse and non recourse loan types, balloon loans, arms and a lot more. Caeli and I didn't discuss their all in one loan, which is like a big, flexible HELOC that you can put on your property. It's such a good product that can help you. You can ask about their all in one loan. When it comes down to what are the factors you need to be most attentive to? They are your assets, reserves, credit, income and debt to income ratio, unless dependent on the loan type that you want. So much attention is paid to interest rates, and some attention is warranted. They surely matter. Be mindful, though, that a quarter of a percent interest rate change on a 30 year loan per 100k borrowed that is just a difference of about $15 in monthly payment, $15 if you go from, say, 6% down to five and three quarters percent, so it takes a rate drop of a full 1% for a savings of about $60 then once you have some of Your finances in order, you can go ahead and do just what I've done for my own properties. For your next income property loan, you can give them a call or start at Ridgelendinggroup.com Until next week, I'm your host. Keith Weinhold, Don't Quit Your Daydream.   41:58 Nothing on this show should be considered specific, personal or professional advice. Please consult an appropriate tax, legal, real estate, financial or business professional for individualized advice. Opinions of guests are their own. Information is not guaranteed. All investment strategies have the potential for profit or loss. 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519: Threatening New Taxes You Might Need to Pay. Tom Wheelwright Explains.

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Tom Wheelwright is back by popular demand, our most recurring guest in GRE show history. He's a CPA, an International Authority on Tax, and Best Selling Author of “Tax-Free Wealth” amongst many other titles. We focus on the potential unrealized capital gains tax, which would tax the increase in property value even before sale. Tom explains the implications of this proposal and the broader impact on tax policy.  We cover the Democrats' proposal for capital gains tax at ordinary income rates, capital gains on gifts, and capital gains when you die. The proposal for a billionaires tax, which would tax unrealized gains at $100 million, could potentially extend to lower net worth individuals over time. Real estate income can result in a negative tax rate, increasing cash flow after taxes. Learn about the benefits of working with a knowledgeable tax advisor. Resources: GetRichEducation.com/tax Show Notes: GetRichEducation.com/519 For access to properties or free help with a GRE Investment Coach, start here: GREmarketplace.com Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Invest with Freedom Family Investments.  You get paid first: Text FAMILY to 66866 For advertising inquiries, visit: GetRichEducation.com/ad Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review”  GRE Free Investment Coaching: GREmarketplace.com/Coach Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free— text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Complete episode transcript:   Automatically Transcribed With Otter.ai      Keith Weinhold  00:01 Welcome to GRE. I'm your host. Keith Weinhold, this week we're talking about the value of the raw land that comes along with your property, the importance of an as built survey in real estate. Then it's tax topics with pro Tom wheelwright, the specter of an unrealized capital gains tax, higher capital gains tax rates, how gambling is taxed, and how to permanently reduce your overall tax burden. Today on get rich education,     00:33 since 2014 the powerful get rich education podcast has created more passive income for people than nearly any other show in the world. This show teaches you how to earn strong returns from passive real estate investing in the best markets without losing your time being a flipper or landlord. Show Host Keith Weinhold writes for both Forbes and Rich Dad advisors, and delivers a new show every week since 2014 there's been millions of listener downloads of 188 world nations. He has a list show guests and key top selling personal finance author Robert Kiyosaki, get rich education can be heard on every podcast platform, plus it has its own dedicated Apple and Android listener phone apps build wealth on the go with the get rich education podcast. Sign up now for the get rich education podcast or visit get rich education.com   Corey Coates  01:18 You're listening to the show that has created more financial freedom than nearly any show in the world. This is get rich education.   Keith Weinhold  01:34 Welcome to GRE from Essex County England to Essex, Massachusetts and across 188 nations worldwide. I'm Keith Weinhold. You're listening to get rich education before we talk taxes, let's talk about the land, the raw land, the lot that comes along with your property. Investors don't spend much time thinking about it. Yet the land is sometimes worth more than the home or structure that's on it, per the FHFA, land constitutes 32.2% of the value of the average US single family property in a metro area. Now the inexpensive land prices nationally, they are predominantly in what I'm classifying it as three US areas, the Midwest, the southeast and Appalachia well, where you have inexpensive land. Oh, that also happens to be where the cash flow for long term rentals resides. Land costs more by the water because people want water activities, water proximity and water view. So the lower costs are inland, and land also costs more by the water, because coasts and shorelines constrain development, sprawl that limits supply and a limited supply of buoys up prices. Consequently, the highest land values are mostly in the Northeast Corridor, from Boston to DC, Miami, coastal California and Honolulu. Yes, Manhattan values are flat out extortionate for raw land now, Seattle, Madison, Wisconsin and Boulder, Colorado. They are three places with really high land values as well. Seattle and Madison are on geographic isthmus. And isthmus is a narrow strip of land with water on both sides. It's interesting how Nashville's nascent population influx made its land values surge inside a cheap sea of southeastern US land values now costly land areas like these ones that I've been talking about on the coasts, they could work well for short term vacation rentals like Airbnb and VRBO, your classic waterfront and beachfront weekly rentals, but they do not work for long term rental cash flow. Texas Land values are sort of low to medium. Land near the Mississippi River and its major tributaries have low costs because rivers are efficient transportation networks, prohibitively high land costs. That's one reason, actually, why alternative building methods just really aren't as cost effective as some people think. I'm talking about things like 3d printed homes, prefabbed homes, tiny homes and shipping container homes, well, all of them have got to sit on land, just like conventionally build homes do. And there is a land cost. Talk to a tear down specialist, and they'll tell you that in some older homes, 100% of the total value is in the l and. And in practicality, it's actually even more lopsided than that. The structure can have negative value because demolition is not free. So for you to get an idea yourself, your property tax bill, it's going to show you your split. That's where you'll see the assessed values broken out for both your structure and the land. So the bottom line here is that cash flowing properties have low land values, typically 25% or less of the total property value. That's generally what you want to look for. And I swear the only thing that's more barren than raw land is the creative naming process for new developments. There is such a lack of creativity in these development names. I'm talking about names like Willow Creek Estates, stone bridge crossing, or what else do they name a new housing development? How about VISTA, view heights? They all have these idyllic sounding names that somehow just all sound like each other. Well, we're talking about raw land when you get in contract to buy a property, the seller side is expected to provide you with an as built, it often still comes in the form of an old fashioned piece of paper and as built survey, what it is is a plan view, a bird's eye or aerial view of your property. It's not a photograph, but a drawing, and it shows you the dimensions and the placement of structures on your property, and it includes things like fences and other features like easements. Now, lenders don't always require an as built before granting a loan, but it's a good idea to ask to see one before you wrap up your next deal. If you want to in your offer, you can even require that a recent as built be done by a surveying company. All right. Well, what exactly do you look for on an as built once you have one in hand, first see that the house or apartment building that you're buying is properly set back from the property lines to meet zoning requirements. If the six foot side setback is only five feet 10 inches, then you'll have to address that before you buy even if it's five feet 11 inches. Now it's possible that the jurisdiction that you're buying in will grant a letter of non conforming status, but if not, the structure is going to have to be adjusted. Another item to look for on an as built are encroachments. This is where part of a neighbor structure protrudes over the lot line and onto your property. And encroachment is really only acceptable if you're willing to grant the neighbor an easement in perpetuity for their encroachment onto your land. But why would you want to do that? The third thing that I want to mention that you should look for an as built is the existence of easements. An easement that just means that another party has a legal right to come over onto your land and use it. Yeah, and easements are actually quite common. It's not as threatening as it might sound. A common one is that as your as built would show, say, a five foot wide by 60 foot long easement. Is there that a utility company has access to. Well, that's something that makes sense. It's for the common good, but just be mindful that an easement cannot have a structure with a permanent foundation built on top of it, alright, because an electric company or a water company might have to excavate there. Most people think of easements on the raw land, but there are also aerial easements, for example, an overhead power line where the roof eaves are not allowed to intrude on that airspace. So to review what you learned so far today, the best cash flow properties typically have low land values, often about 25% or less of the tolerable property value. And an as built survey is an aerial view drawing of your property and its dimensions on an as built look to see that it meets zoning requirements like setbacks and look for encroachments and easements. It is resale properties where it's more important to look at as builts than it is for new construction properties.  As we're about to bring in tax pro Tom Wheelwright shortly, business owners and real estate investors really get so many of the best tax breaks in the US Code. But you've got to know. How to find them, or else work then with a CPA that does know how to find them, that really knows how to navigate their way around the tax code, people that make high salaries pay high taxes, as much as 50% you remember I did that episode a few months ago, high salaries don't create wealth. Taxes are one big reason why, say, for example, a chiropractor makes $1.2 million a year in salary. But if that chiropractor becomes an investor by buying and selling other Chiropractic Clinics or investing in real estate, their tax rate will drop by half or more, and that's because capital gains tax rates are about half of ordinary income tax rates. So see, you don't want to be a super earner. You want to earn enough money to invest and become a super owner, but tax policy could change Tom and I will discuss that first. Then we'll talk about reducing the amount of tax that you pay. Today is a new punishing unrealized capital gains tax coming that you will have to pay. What this means is that if you have a $500,000 home, and it rises in value to $550,000 well, you would have to pay tax on your $50,000 of profit, but you haven't sold your home. So this feels so wrong, because you haven't realized any profit at all. This is what unrealized capital gains tax is. And also, where are you going to get the cash to pay the tax on your 50k of profit just because your home rose in value yet you didn't realize it? I mean, might you have to sell your home in order to get the cash to pay the tax. And then what if you though could pay the tax on your unrealized capital gain so you do pay it, but then the following year, the home goes down in value. Well, would you get a refund then? So the unrealized capital gains tax proposal is a mess. Let's learn about it and more. This week's guest is a best selling author, CPA and an international authority on tax. He's brilliant because he actually makes taxes fun, easy and understandable. He's familiar to you because he's the most recurrent guest in show history. Welcome back to GRE Tom Wheelwright.   Tom Wheelwright  12:48 thanks always good to be on your show.   Keith Weinhold  12:50 Tom probably with more than 30 show appearances here now you are 6% of GRE episodes.   Tom Wheelwright  13:00 That's a little scary. But you know, taxes are your single biggest expense, so why not?   Keith Weinhold  13:05 It's appropriate. And yeah, I guess all these appearances are certainly an endorsement of how much you help our audience. It's also a reflection of how tax and legal are not my strong suit. So it really helps to have you here absolutely the all time, assists leader in GRE history then and Tyler. An awful lot of timely tax topics going on that are probably first and foremost in more people's news feeds than they usually are. As we're here during presidential campaign season, the one that it really seems to revolve around the most is this potential tax proposal on unrealized gains. I've been around long enough where I seem to see this proposal come up more often, but it never seems to go anywhere. So first, why don't you tell us what unrealized gains are?   Tom Wheelwright  13:51 it actually goes beyond that. Interestingly enough, what the Democrats are proposing is, first of all, they're proposing capital gains rates at ordinary income rates. So they're proposing doubling the capital gains rate. That's actually as important as anything else. The second thing is, they're proposing capital gains on gifts. So if you give it, if you give your business to your child, you have a capital gains ordinary income rates. They're proposing capital gains when you die. So not only an estate tax, but also a capital gains tax. So then you get taxed twice when you die. So about 80 to 90% of your estate goes to the government when you die. If you're a business owner, as an example, then they're proposing eliminating the 1031 exchange, which would mean that on a trade of real estate, you'd have a capital gains tax at ordinary income rates. Then they're talking about this unrealized capital gains so if you do nothing but build your business or your real estate, the increase in value is subject to capital gains taxes at ordinary income rates. Now you know their proposal is, we have this tax. Tax when you're over $100 million that is not seem to be in the news feeds right now, but that's what it is. They call it the billionaires tax, and they're calling it an alternative minimum tax on billionaires. But clearly, 100 million is not a billion. That's only a 10th of a billion. And the biggest issue, of course, is if you tax unrealized gains at 100 million, soon you're going to tax them at 10 million, then it's going to be 1 million. Because history. That's the history of our tax law. The history of our tax law. Remember, in 1913 when we passed the 16th Amendment, it was passed because it was only a tax on the rich, right? It would never have passed if it was going to be a tax on the average person. And yet it passed. Because great, we're okay taxing somebody else, as long as it's not our tax. We're okay taxing somebody else. That's pretty much what's going on with this unrealized gains tax is, oh, well, it's on somebody else and they have enough money. It's no big deal. Therefore, I'm okay with that, because why shouldn't they pay more tax? That is what this is about. The challenge is, is, as we saw with the income tax, eventually it will reach the average person, or at least the average entrepreneur, real estate investor. Because think also, let's say that you build your wealth in real estate, and then when you retire, you say, Well, look, I don't want to be doing active real estate anymore. I'm going to trade my single family homes or my apartment building. I'm going to trade for a Walgreens a triple net lease, well under their proposal, that would be taxed because, again, no 1031 exchanges over $500,000 so that means that if you accumulate your wealth through business or real estate, you pay a much higher tax rate than if you accumulate your wealth by investing in Wall Street through a 401k because if you invest in Wall Street through a 401K, you only have to pay tax as you pull that out, you're not going to be paying tax on the value. Now that's assuming that they don't tax the increase in value of your 401K, which is also obviously a possibility. Interesting enough people talk a lot about the constitutionality of this. The challenge with that is that we already have taxes unrealized gains. If you're a dealer in stocks, in securities you do mark to market, that is meaning that you're going to pay tax on unrealized gains. And so there is actually precedent for this, and that's the scary thing, is that they could point to that precedent and say, Well, wait a minute, it's just an income tax, it's not a wealth tax, that's what they're going to say. They're going to say it's an income tax, not a wealth tax, because it's on appreciation, and appreciation is income. That's how they're going to go down this road. Will it start at $100 million Absolutely, that's where it will start. Will it then drift down? Who knows? But likely that's the history of our tax system. Yeah. I mean, we've talked before about the phenomenon of the camel getting its nose under the tent. However, in this case, I didn't realize there's already precedent for unrealized gains, in a sense, as potentially, if this is approved for those with $100 million net worth, and in next it's 10 million net worth, $1 million net worth and so on, like you described there, when you talk about capital gains tax rates being stepped up so that they're at ordinary income tax rates. It's actually somewhat of an interesting philosophical discussion, in a way. It sort of makes sense that a person's gains from investment could or should be taxed at the same rate as one's income when they go to their day job. However, why don't we do that by lowering income taxes rather than doubling capital gains? Wait a minute, no, because it's a double tax. Let's say that you're a business owner. Why does your business increase in value? Well, because you're making income, but you're already being taxed on that income. It's called income tax. What we do in this country, which a lot of countries don't do, by the way, is we tax it a second time. We call that a capital gains tax or a dividends tax. We tax it twice now. Now we're going to have that second tax at the same rate of the original tax. So if you think about it, you're being taxed on the same income twice because it's your income that determines your value, so you're being taxed twice. It's really not the same. It's fine if you're invested in the stock market, and that's where your capital gains are. That's a hard one to argue too much, although it does take liquidity out of the market, because the problem with capital gains tax is being taxed over 28% it's about 28% is that you actually lower the contribution to the Treasury because there will be fewer capital gains. There will be so many fewer capital gains that you actually lose money. The Tax Foundation, taxfoundation.org, I'd refer people to, has done lots of studies on this, and it's very clear. Here that high capital gains rates actually reduce the amount of money that comes to the government. So this is purely political. This has nothing to do with let's generate more revenue, one of the challenges so you have to score this, right? So that means that you're scoring what's the revenue that's going to be produced? You have two types of scoring. One is called static scoring. The other is called dynamic scoring. Static scoring means that we're going to look at the capital gains we already have, and we're just going to, if we double the rate, we're going to double the revenue. So that's assuming that we're going to have the same number and amounts of capital gains as we add at the lower rates, right? Dynamic scoring means that we're going to take into account how people behave motivationally when you double the tax rate. Yeah. Well, let me give you an example. So I'm a business owner. My wealth is in my business primarily. Do you think, really, I'm going to sell that business and take the capital gains immediately and be done with it? But if I have a high capital gains rate, I'm going to sell this over 20 years. So I'm actually going to defer my capital gains as long as I can, because I don't want to pay those high capital gains rates. So that means less money to the government. That's what it means. So it actually reduces on a dynamic scoring if you look at truly how people behave and have behaved in the past. So this isn't a new thing, right? We've had high capital gains rates before. It's not like we don't know. It's not like we haven't seen this before. It's that, for whatever reason, politically, they've decided that, wait a minute, the rich are out of favor. We need to tax the rich more. That's a very popular line, and therefore this is a way to do that, even though it by all calculations that are dynamic, it would actually reduce the amount of funds that come to the Treasury.   Keith Weinhold  22:00 That does make sense about the double taxation. Case in point, with an apartment building, if you increase its noi, you have more income than pay tax that if you increase the noi, therefore you've increased the value of the building. Consequently, the capital gains tax that you might have to pay down the road Tom, maybe current capital gains tax are higher than I thought, is the 28% capital gains tax. Number You mentioned, current or proposed. What is that?   Tom Wheelwright  22:24 Well, right now we have a 24% capital gains tax, okay, we have 20% pure capital gains tax, plus we have a 3.8% net investment income tax. Doesn't apply right now if you're a real estate professional, but applies to everybody else under the Harris proposal formally adopted Biden's plan under the Harris proposal, then you would get a actually 39.6% rate, plus 5% net investment income tax, regardless of whether you're your real estate Professional. So that is 44.6% that's the 45% the 28% number I threw out is that's the number the Tax Foundation says is the maximum you can raise it to without losing revenue.   Keith Weinhold  23:11 That puts things into perspective, as real estate investors, for a long time, we've appreciated substantial tax shelters. What are they being the 1031, tax deferred exchange, like you mentioned, that's been around for more than 100 years. Does that have any realistic shot of being shot down? Of course, Trump shot down substantial parts of the 1031 outside of strict real estate investing.   Tom Wheelwright  23:32 He did, and he actually set the precedent for eliminating it. So by doing that, because he eliminated it on everything except real property, right? I mean, actually, and even before that, there was a time, and there's still ways you can do it with paper assets. But it's not a 1031 exchange. So 1031 exchange has it evolved. It's gotten it's shrunk. It keeps shrinking. Even three or four years ago, no realistic possibility of eliminating 1031 exchange. The challenge, of course, is it would have an impact on the liquidity of the market. However, big deals never do 1031 exchange. Ever you don't see big multifamily developments sold in 1031s. The only time you see that happen is when they've used the Delaware statutory trust. And then you've got some of the investors who use it. And some of them who don't, you can do that in the Delaware statutory trust, but the regular developers, I haven't seen a 1031 done by a syndicator in years. So could they eliminate? Yeah, they could.   Keith Weinhold  24:33 yeah, that would be concerning. Are there any other presidential hopeful proposals that have to do with taxes that are germane, and our audience should know about?   Tom Wheelwright  24:41 my heavens. So the Democrats want to raise taxes by $5 trillion they want those taxes to all be on investors. And the reason I say that is because typically, people who make less than $400,000 which is their threshold, are not major investors. Most of their money goes to spending. Money. If you're making under $400,000 you can easily spend $400,000 a year. Oh, yeah, okay, that's not that hard, especially in today's world. It's a transfer from high net worth individuals who invest their money in long term projects like real estate, like energy, like business, and it's going to be a transfer to people who spend the money and they're going to spend it, my prediction is that if the Democrats get their way, we enter into a long term period of stagflation, high unemployment and high inflation. Because if you transfer $5 trillion from people who aren't spending it in the first place to be able who do spend it. You've got $5 trillion of new money going into the marketplace. Now it could depress asset values. So that could be good for investors, okay? Because you don't have as much cash available to the I'll call it the investor class, to go into real estate. If that's the case, then you have $5 trillion less, right? I mean, it's not a huge portion of the market, but it's big enough. If you take $5 trillion out of investment capital, then that would put a downward pressure on asset prices, which would include real estate.   Keith Weinhold  25:29 we're talking about potential changes to the tax code. It's always a germane discussion, because taxes are the biggest expense in your life. We're talking with Tom wheelwright. We come back, we're going to talk about the real estate tax laws as they are now, for example, how your rent income is taxed differently than your job income, and also, what are taxes like on sports, gambling. You're listening to get rich Education. I'm your host. Keith Weinhold.   Keith Weinhold  26:45 hey, you can get your mortgage loans at the same place where I get mine, at Ridge lending group NMLS 42056, they provided our listeners with more loans than any provider in the entire nation because they specialize in income properties. They help you build a long term plan for growing your real estate empire with leverage. You can start your pre qualification and chat with President Caeli Ridge personally. Start Now while it's on your mind at Ridgelendinggroup.com that's Ridgelendinggroup.com   Keith Weinhold  27:16 you your bank is getting rich off of you. The national average bank account pays less than 1% on your savings. 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We're talking with tax pro Tom wheelwright. He's been talking to us about some of the proposals that presidential candidates have here in a campaign season, and whether these things become true or not. Sometimes it seems like just the fact that they're proposing. They're proposed, or if they get instituted at a small level years down the road, it can blow up into something bigger. So Tom tell us more about some of the proposals that are on the table.   Tom Wheelwright  29:12 So we talked about the democratic proposals, which also include things like a $6,000 tax credit for babies. It also includes an enhanced Child Tax Credit. Also includes some other there's lots of provisions in there, right? So it's a transfer. It's just a transfer of money from one group of people to another group of people. On the Republican side, we haven't talked about that now they want to extend the 2017 act. They've been very clear, that's what they want to do, which is an estimate $4 trillion so the other direction. So basically, you're talking about a $9 trillion swing between the two parties. We've never seen this before, ever in a presidential election. Now, that big of a difference, one major tax increase, one party proposing major. Tax increases, the other proposing major tax decreases in the same election. It's something that I'm glad people are paying attention to, because it's a little overdue in this election cycle. Because really, when you talk about policy, that's probably the biggest policy difference between the two parties.   Keith Weinhold  30:18 Now one thing we've learned over time from talking with you is these presidential wish lists, if you want to call them that. Well, these tax changes are things that require congressional approval, and we have a divided Congress currently. So what do you think the prospects are of really any of these things becoming new law?   Tom Wheelwright  30:36 First of all, remember, most of the 2017 act expires at the end of 2025 so something will have to be done next year. They don't have a choice, either that or is just expires, and then we're back to what we had. We have smaller standard deductions, we have alternative minimum tax again. We get a deduction for state income taxes, right? That comes back the one. We lose our 20% Small Business deduction, the only thing that stays permanent is the corporate income tax rate that was permanent in the original bill. So there is going to be something, you're right, if there is a divided Congress, and I say that if, because if one party sweeps, then, especially on the Democratic side, the Republicans don't seem to be as cohesive as the Democrats are on these things. And if the Democrats sweep, I would say, remember, we don't have Kyrsten Sinema, we don't have Joe Manchin from happening. And so would the Democrats sweep all these through, not all of them, but you're going to see a major tax increase for sure, on the Republican side, would you see the 2017 act extended? You'll probably see it, but you're right that otherwise, if it's a divided Congress, we're going to have something in between. We thought we would get a divided Congress in 2020 though, remember and we didn't. So I would not count on a divided Congress   Keith Weinhold  31:59 erstwhile 2017 Trump tax cuts in JOBS Act brought the highest marginal income tax bracket from 39.6% under Obama down to 37% as I remember it. Some thought Biden would take it back up to 39.6 but he hasn't and it's just stated 37 All right, so if Republicans stayed in power, presumably that 37% would go ahead and carry on. That's what we think about as our w2 income. Tom, why don't we talk about the taxes that actually exist today? I think a lot of real estate investors just don't understand the difference between how your w2 job income is taxed versus your taxes on real estate rent. Can you talk to us about that?   Tom Wheelwright  32:42 The reason it's confusing is because they're both considered ordinary income, right? The difference is, is that one is business income and one is non business income. Your wages are non business income. You don't get deductions against non business income, but you do get deductions against business income. So your rental income is considered business income for purposes of the Internal Revenue Code. What that means is you get deductions for taxes. You get deductions for interest, you get deductions for maintenance, you get deductions for depreciation. That's why, when you have your income from your rentals. Typically taxed much lower than your income from your salary, because you get no deductions against your salary like you do against the rentals.   Keith Weinhold  33:30 Maybe it would help to introduce an example here. I don't know if this will complicate things too much or not. If a real estate investor has, say, a single family rental property with $2,000 of rent, income, $1,000 mortgage, $800 in operating expenses. How is that tax that leaves them with $200 of cash flow?   Tom Wheelwright  33:50 You have $200 of cash flow, but then you probably have depreciation on top of that, which is a non cash deduction. And so let's say your depreciation is $500 that means you actually have a $300 loss that, in many cases, you can use to offset income from your w2 so you actually have a negative tax rate. In other words, you're making money from taxes. So actually, is that an increase to your cash flow? So it's a way to think of it is, I have $200 of cash flow from my tenant, if I have a $300 loss for tax purposes, let's say I'm in a 33% tax bracket. I have $100 of income from the government. So that means my cash flow is really after tax. Cash flow is $300 not $200 whereas if you have the same $200 of income from your wages. Let's say you have just the net, right? Let's start with the net. You have $200 well, you're going to be taxed. And let's say that again, your 33% tax rate, that means you're after tax, right, is going to be roughly $125,000 okay, under $30 so $130 we're. $300 so it's like twice as much. In fact, all of that difference is because of the tax law.   Keith Weinhold  35:06 Gosh, that was a great breakdown. I'm really glad that I introduced that example, $2,000 in rent, minus $1,000 for the mortgage, at $800 in operating expenses, again, leaving you with $200 in cash flow with that example. There's probably more going on here with taxes. Because, of course, with that $1,000 mortgage amount, some is going to be principal, some is going to be interest. In part of that interest can be tax deductible.   Tom Wheelwright  35:31 I'm assuming it's all interest, because if it were not, we'd have a higher taxable income. Remember, your principal payment is not deductible. So in your example, I was assuming that the $1,000 mortgage payment was all interest. If it was only $800 then you'd have $400 of income before depreciation. You don't have $100 loss, because, remember, your principal's not deductible, so therefore you have to add that back into your taxable income.   Keith Weinhold  35:58 Will you talk to us about how to apply depreciation to this income versus expenses. Example, is there anything else you can speak to when it comes to that $800 of operating expenses in this example, and those expenses include things like property insurance, property tax itself, maintenance repairs and utilities.   Tom Wheelwright  36:19 Right but also, for example, you might run your rental real estate business out of a home office in your home so you could have a home office deduction. You might have your use your car for the rental purposes, and then you get a deduction for your car. So there are additional expenses that aren't even in that $800 that you could pick up that would not otherwise you'd never get a deduction, and you're really not spending any more money. You're just using it for business, and therefore getting a business deduction. So it's really all about what do I get to deduct? Remember that if you own a home for yourself, you don't get to really deduct the taxes. You have a limit on how much you can deduct. So taxes are limited in deduction. Mortgage Interest may or may not be limited. Remember also that if you have a mortgage, you're limited to how much a $750,000 mortgage being deductible, whereas if you it's a rental property, it could be a seven and a half million dollar and mortgage, and you still get the deduction, so you're not limited like you are. On top of that, again, it's a business, so let's say that you put solar panels on your personal home, you'd get a 30% tax credit, but you'd get no depreciation deduction. If you put solar panels on your rental house, you get the same 30% tax credit, but now you also get a depreciation deduction of probably another 30 $40,000 in the first year. So there's always more deductions in a business setting than a personal setting.   Keith Weinhold  37:56 Well, real estate has been around a really long time. Often laugh when people talk about non conventional investments and put real estate investing in their real estate's about the most conventional investment that we can possibly think of. It's been around a long time. We think about a newer thing that people do with their money, but I sure don't call it investing. That's sports gambling, and it's something that you and I haven't talked about before. Here Tom in 2018 the Supreme Court opened the way for states to legalize sports gambling, and at last check, 38 states, plus DC and Puerto Rico have legalized at least some form of sports gambling. So now it's a more germane conversation for you and I to have than it was a few years ago. Can you tell us about sports gambling, taxes and how it's treated.   Tom Wheelwright  38:41 So remember, all income is taxable. So that includes gambling winnings. They are taxable. In fact, you'll get a 1099 just like you would if you rendered services, you'd get a 1099 or you have interest income, you get 1099 you get 1099 from gambling. What you actually have to show is that you actually have gambling losses. So you have to track those gambling losses to show the IRS that you got gambling losses. But your gambling losses can never be more than your gambling winnings. You never get to generate a tax loss on gambling. What that means is, is that if you win $10,000 during the year, and you can prove that you lost $8,000 during the year, you're going to be taxed on $2,000 but if you can't prove the 8000 you're going to be taxed on 10,000   Keith Weinhold  39:33 so you the gambler, have the burden of tracking this, and I guess tracking your losses. I'm not a gambler. How would one track their losses?   Tom Wheelwright  39:42 I would keep detail ledger. Personally, I probably have a separate bank account just for gambling. Gosh, I'm not a gambler either, so that's what I would do. I would have a bank account just for gambling, by the way. It's also a good way to budget your gambling so they, you know, get in trouble, right? So just set up a separate bank account. Don't put whatever money you say, I'm comfortable with this money, I'm going to gamble with this money put in that bank account, and then you have a ledger that shows the money that went in and the money you lost, the money you won, and don't do anything but gambling in that bank account.   Keith Weinhold  40:15 Hey, that separate account's a great way to hide it from your spouse, not that I'm suggesting. Not bad.   Tom Wheelwright  40:22 Interesting. You went there.   Keith Weinhold  40:23 I'm not a gambler at all. Can't even believe I was thinking that far ahead. What are the gambling tax rates like?   Tom Wheelwright  40:31 They're ordinary income tax rate. So gambling winnings are just ordinary income. They're the same as your wages. They don't have social security taxes their income, just like any other kind of income, nothing special. And this all applies to whether it's sports gambling or general gambling, like lotteries and sweepstakes?  Just remember, all incomes taxable unless the government says it isn't all income, okay? And then there's some types of income that are taxed at special rates, like capital gains, but gambling has no special rates. By the way, gold also has special rate for when you sell gold, it has its own tax rate. Gambling has no special tax rate, so it's just your ordinary income rates.   Keith Weinhold  41:11 To me, it seems like it's hard to break even with gambling over time, and then when you take the tax adjusted earnings that you get from it, you know, over the long term. I just don't think Harris and Bally's Casino is really incentivized to inform gamblers on how punitive this can be with ordinary income tax rates applied to gambling winnings.   Tom Wheelwright  41:30 No, but they will send you your 10909g I guarantee that, that's for sure.   Keith Weinhold  41:34 Well, Tom has helped business owners and real estate investors permanently reduce their taxes. He does it like virtually no one else in the world does by keeping it simple, by helping you find deductions that other CPAs can't do. You can learn more about how Tom and his team can actually help you. You can get a free consultation. You can do that at getricheducation.com/tax. And Tom tell us more about the importance of a business owner or a real estate investor or anybody else really being connected with the right kind of tax professional that can permanently reduce your taxes.   Tom Wheelwright  42:12 So remember that if you want to change your tax, you have to change your facts. It's that simple. What you have to do is you need to know what facts you need to change. That's where a good tax advisor comes in. Is what facts do you need to change in order to change your tax now good news is, wrote tax through wealth. So you got an idea of what that is, but the tax law is very detailed. You must dot your i's cross your t's, so to speak, so that you make sure that you meet all of the rules, such as documentation, for example, for your business expenses. When you do that, you're going to get a better tax result, especially if your tax advisor is also preparing your tax return. Because really, your tax return is just part just how you implement your tax strategy, right? That's how you do it. So we launched, just recently, a franchise of tax advisors, and now we actually have much, really good control, quality control with our tax advisors, and they use our software system. It's very important that you have somebody, if not us, find somebody who you know you can actually give tax free wealth too, and say what cares make sure that we're doing it this way. But if the easy button is really the getricheducation.com/tax.   Keith Weinhold  43:27 Tom Wheelwright,  It's been valuable as always. Thanks so much for coming back onto the show.   Tom Wheelwright  43:33 Thanks, Keith.   Keith Weinhold  43:40 Yeah, key insights from Tom as always, taxes are complicated. Tom's Network helps sort it out for you. We've already covered a lot of ground on this week's episode with raw land values as built, proposed tax plans and how to reduce your tax burden within the existing tax system. Tom and I talked, and he will be back yet again with us later this year for more tax wizardry. Now, just recently here, Kamala Harris proposed a smaller capital gains tax hike than Biden. She's starting to put sort of her own policy spin on things, breaking with the President on the size of a proposed increase on the capital gains tax rate that is a 28% top tax rate when investments are sold for those that make a million dollars plus. So that's more than the current 23.8% top rate, but less than the 39.6% rate that Biden had supported all income is taxable. Therefore it is axiomatic that the fastest way to increase your ROI is to work with a tax advisor that can find you all of the biggest deductions right away. You can read Tom's book Tax Free Wealth, get a good system of documentation going and get connected with Tom's team. At the end of an episode at times, I like to leave you with the most actionable resource on the topic that we covered. You can schedule a free call to see how Tom's team can help you out. At getricheducation.com/tax. That's getricheducation.com/tax. Until next week. I'm your host. 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518: Is Now the Best Time to Buy Real Estate?

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A prominent Florida Builder and #1 Wall Street Journal Best-Selling Author joins us to discuss the benefits of build-to-rent properties, including affordable housing and attractive mortgage rates. He has already done all the work for investors, offering new build income properties that are sometimes rented. We discuss the importance of median value and affordability index in choosing profitable areas for long-term real estate investments. Learn about new build income properties with rate buydowns as low as 3.75%. Important market dynamics and investor strategies, including the trade-offs between cash flow and equity growth. 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Keith Weinhold, a great way to forecast the future of the real estate market is to look at the level of new building. I've got a surprise to reveal there then a focus on one of the hottest in migration states. That's popular because it promises cash flow for real estate investors today on Get Rich Education.   00:24 Since 2014 the powerful Get Rich Education podcast has created more passive income for people than nearly any other show in the world. This show teaches you how to earn strong returns from passive real estate investing in the best markets without losing your time being a flipper or landlord. Show Host Keith Weinhold writes for both Forbes and Rich Dad advisors and delivers a new show every week since 2014 there's been millions of listener downloads in 188 world nations. He has a list show guest top selling personal finance author Robert Kiyosaki. Get Rich Education can be heard on every podcast platform, plus it has its own dedicated Apple and Android listener phone apps build wealth on the go with the Get Rich Education podcast. Sign up now for the Get Rich Education podcast, or visit getricheducation.com     Corey Coates  01:09 You're listening to the show that has created more financial freedom than nearly any show in the world. This is Get Rich Education.   Keith Weinhold  01:25 Welcome to GRE from Plains Georgia to White Plains New York and across 188 nations worldwide, you are listening to Get Rich Education. I'm your host. Keith Weinhold, we are an educational platform. And if you haven't yet, I really suggest that you spend 100 hours learning how to invest in real estate. The average person works 2000 hours a year for 40 years. That's 80,000 hours of working for money. I implore you to spend 100 hours learning how to keep it and grow it and leverage it and create income and tax advantages from it. 80,000 hours of lifetime work, 100 hours learning real estate investing. Now, when someone like a presidential candidate produces, still vague talk about building 3 million starter homes in four years. That actually appears just about impossible. Within the existing structure. We would need 2 million housing starts per year from 2025 to 2028, in order to overcome our existing shortfall. And we haven't exceeded 1.8 million in any year in the moderate era, and that's even when demand was extraordinary and interest rates were low. Just you know, look at the reality of what home builders need to actually do, and this is even if they don't have any excessive not in my backyard. Pushback, builders have to procure land, meaning they need to lay out cash far before building, and then they need to jump through zoning and building hoops in counties and cities, in towns, in communities, and sometimes those hoops can reach preposterous levels with substantial delays. Builders need to secure financing, and for most, interest rates are still in the 9% plus range. And then builders need to acquire a whole local network of contractors and subcontractors, and then they need to keep those contractors and subcontractors busy, or else they're gonna lose those workers. So builders have to work to maintain their teams once they found them. And if that's not enough, this is all amidst a historically bad skilled labor shortage, meaning those workers can be enticed to go work for somebody else. As you know, skilled worker demand far exceeds skilled worker supply. So for builders, it takes years of planning and development. In a lot of cases, they sit on land for many years before the market conditions are right for the actual build. Well, look, at least there is finally acknowledgement among our highest elected officials that we do need to address the core problem, but our elected officials proposals aren't really so good, and our country's housing problem is largely a regulatory issue. Later today, we'll talk to a builder that's already done all of this for you, so it's not preconstruction that has new build income properties complete, available sometimes even rented already, and they help you buy down your mortgage rate to a level that's really low. You'll soon learn about it. But first, let's talk more about adding new housing supply in the larger apartment segment. It's something that can help you see the future here, but it isn't getting enough tension outside of multifamily industry circles, and that is the fact that apartment starts are plummeting to 11 year lows. And this is a real surprise to some people, multifamily completions are outpacing starts by the widest margin since 1975 and I mention this because, you know, you probably keep hearing and reading about how apartment construction is at all time highs, but really, that is a story from two years ago. It takes about two years to go from an apartment construction start to a completion. Well, today we're seeing that huge surge of apartment starts two years ago morph into completions. That's the piece to be aware of here. And to give you some idea about the new apartment building, slow down through July, we have completed 314,000 multifamily units, and we started just 193,000 units. That's all according to census stats that year to date. Start total is the nation's lowest since 2013 when we were just building our way out of the global financial crisis. Also a larger share of apartment supply. In this next cycle, it's likely to be affordable housing, because that's where the tax incentives are in the last wave of apartment construction a few years ago, it was more higher end stuff, and the result is today, apartments are oversupplied in a lot of markets, leading to falling apartment rents, or just somewhat stable and frozen apartment rents in heavily overbuilt places like Austin, Texas and a lot of others. But this slowdown in New Starts of larger apartments is why some have bullishness on the multifamily outlook for 2026 and beyond supply is the biggest headwind for apartment investors today. While it is an enormous tailwind for renters, it's good for them, but those dynamics appear likely to shift again. It took an almost perfect storm of variables to push apartment construction to 50 year highs, and it's difficult to see a scenario where construction could re-accelerate back to those peaks. Today's apartment completion levels could mark a high. It's generational. You may never see it again. So to summarize, in the world of large apartments, supply is still up, even outpacing demand in a lot of markets. It all came from a big building wave that began when interest rates were low two years ago. They're mostly upper end places. Apartment syndicators also got hit with higher rates that reset on them, and you've seen the value of some apartment buildings fall 30%. It is bad. But long term, I expect that apartments are going to be fine. New lease ups are absorbing what's out there. The demographics show that renters will continue occupying apartments. Interest rates have already fallen and they're expected to keep falling, and you don't have very many new apartment starts, it's that last piece that a lot of people aren't aware of. So that's the forecast over the next few years for five plus unit apartments. When it comes to the market dynamics for one to four unit properties. I'm going to discuss this with one of the voices of GRE marketplace today. They are a build to rent provider building new construction, single family homes, duplexes and fourplexes for tenants that they sell to investors. Hey, I'd like to welcome in a home builder and property provider serving Florida, basically statewide, known as North America's leading build to rent property developer, and he believes in what he builds and offers others, because he's been a real estate investor himself for more than two decades. Hey, Jim, welcome back onto the show.   Jim Sheils  09:45 Keith, good to be here. Thanks for having me.   Keith Weinhold  09:47 Jim, we have a lot of exciting things to talk about. What you're doing in Florida. You've really helped out a lot of our investors and followers so far. You have some really interesting things to tell us about. Rate buydowns and just how low those rate buydowns are on some new build properties. And I sure want to get to that. But first, why don't we just pull back big picture, and from the 30,000 foot national view, before we talk about Florida, what are some of the important dynamics you see in the real estate market here in late 2024   Jim Sheils  10:16 Yeah, it's been interesting. The media is always late to the party, as you know, Keith, I've seen some interesting stats. You know, affordability nationwide has gone from 480,000 about eight months ago, and now it's down to about 405, so we've already seen the affordability index come down nationwide, and it's hit really well here in Florida. One of the reasons why is there's definitely been some price adjustments on higher priced property in Maine markets, Miami, Orlando, Tampa, areas that we don't build because the numbers didn't work. So that's been really good to see that affordability also, rates are just starting to drop. But here's an interesting thing. A year ago, Keith, the average mortgage payment for the average person buying a home, was 57% of their total income. Now that has dropped to about 44% of their total income. So I'm always looking at affordability and overall median pricing, and that's been a really, really good thing for us. As I had said, second tier markets where you can get affordability, but also great amenities, great lifestyle is where we've always focused on building, and it seems like that is really continuing to have a solid pulse. I love visiting some of those bigger markets, you know, taking my kids to Disney, but I'm glad we stayed out of there, because it seemed a little more temperamental, and we're glad we're in the more second tier markets.   Keith Weinhold  11:39 You cited an affordability index there earlier. Now, affordability still, historically, is not that good, but it's not as bad as it used to be. Tell us more about that index.   Jim Sheils  11:49 Yeah, I always have looked at, you know, the affordability index. Let's just use an example, Orange County, California. I think the median value of a home there is $1.1 million. In Jacksonville it's 305, and so you get a score for based on what is the average family income per price of the home. And it's kind of like your report card. And there's certain areas that have an A, and there's certain areas that have an F. You know, we have lots of investors come to us with you guys too, from New York or Seattle or Orange County. And this is something I look at, what is the affordability index, and just know how they figure out the score on your affordability index. What's the average price of the home in that area, and what is the average family income for that area? And the correlation of those two numbers shows whether you have a good score or bad score.   Keith Weinhold  12:39 And now that we've looked at the national picture somewhat, you mentioned some of the major metro markets in Florida, some of which you specifically stay out of, and that's simply because the numbers don't work for long term rentals. They don't provide cash flow. Tell us more, just in general, about some of the areas that you've chosen and why is there profitable for long term real estate investors?   Jim Sheils  13:03 Yeah, this median value, this affordability index, is so key when we're able to get into home still, you know, Jacksonville is barely over 300,000 as the media now, we're able to cash flow right off the bat. So like Jacksonville is still as the population growth, the economic growth is occurring. It's desirable coastal community, and supply and demand is in our favor. We don't have enough housing, so that's where we focus all of those factors, not only here, but on a smaller scale, in Palm Coast, in Ocala, where we've done a ton with the GRE community. And then southwest Florida. We don't go to Southeast Florida, too expensive, too overbuilt, too high on insurance, but that Greater Fort Myers area, which did experience the highest growth anywhere in the country during the pandemic, which was interesting to watch, we're still seeing a lot of good fundamentals down there. And again, at that affordable range, it makes a big difference when you're buying at a medium priced home is, let's say 320,000 opposed to 580,000 makes a huge difference to whether it will cash flow off the bat or have a negative cash flow. And as you know, Keith, even though we're doing new construction high growth areas, we want to see app cash flow right away.   Keith Weinhold  14:13 Now, you are a builder, you are adding much needed inventory to the national housing supply, where we've had a shortage of millions of units per years, depending on what source you cite in quote there, a lot of the estimates as to the housing shortage really are all over the place. But many sources state that Florida inventory levels just statewide. Here they are back about to pre pandemic levels. So they have recovered. They are back to about 2019 levels. And I think one important thing for people to remember is, well, 2019 was a pretty good, balanced housing market.   Jim Sheils  14:50 It was a normal market. We liked 2019 you know, that was a good market. There was growth, but it was sustainable, more predictable, steady. So I'm happy to be back in 2019. You know, 2020 21 levels there were, there was less than a month's worth of inventory on the MLS that it was dire. Yeah, it was just such a skewed thing. And you've studied this for a long time. So everyone if you say, Oh well, it went from this to this. I love how you talk about 2019 because by all statistics that was a very normal market here in Florida. So we're happy to get back to that, because you have to have a certain amount of inventory level to balance the playing field. We want to see growth, but I'm more of a long term player, as you know, we don't need to see huge spikes, because that can get a little volatile.   Keith Weinhold  15:36 Now, as a builder, talk to us about builder sentiment since, like we talked about before, we are in a falling interest rate environment, mortgage rates are already down about one and a half percent from the recent highs, and the Fed hasn't even begun lowering rates yet. So talk to us more about what those lower rates do to build their sentiment. And we're not just talking about rates for buyers here, which matter, but it's the rate that builders like you that have to pay the typically factory in here too.   Jim Sheils  16:06 Yeah, it's an interesting market right now, Keith, and here's something I want to give great encouragement from as you know, we do build some for the institutions and the larger groups. The little guy, the small investor, has the guerrilla warfare advantage over them right now, because, as you know, we right now have announced financing. We're able to have this builder forward commitment where we're buying large tranches of money for residential mortgages. That means, you know, individuals like we work with all the time, Keith, that buy a few properties, we can get them this incredible financing right now, at 3.75 we're beating the market. You know, you go into a B of A and try to get a duplex finance, you're probably looking at six and three quarters. And we're able to do that because it's residential real estate. Some of our bigger guys, they would buy all of our inventory. But we can't get a institution qualified for these individual investor loans for residential real estate. They have to go to the commercial world. And as you know right now, Keith, the commercial world is screwy. People aren't lending. The rates are really high, and even these big guys have to sharpen their pencils and do their numbers and they go, Gosh, it's not panning out until rates drop. So that means these bigger groups are on the sidelines. And we all hear the complaints, all the big guys are buying all the properties they own 40% well, they're on the sidelines, and our little troopers and investors are building their portfolios in ways they cannot so it's exciting to see now for us too. What's lucky and unlucky is a lot of good builders out there that we're friends with. They can't get financing. The banks have gotten so stringent. So they might even have a good balance sheet and a good track record, but the banks are getting really stringent where Chris and I are. As you know, we were partially acquired by Sumitomo forestry about a year and a half ago. They're a 331 year old company, and when we decided to team up with them, they said, We love Florida and we love build to rent, go, and so now we have zero bank debt, and they've given us a green light to build out all of our inventory. We have five, over 5000 lots in Florida, and we don't have the bank slowdowns. So to find a good builder, you have to make sure they have financing in place, because they're going to be a great builder out there that just can't get the funding to do the job for you. So that's another thing you want to look for.   Keith Weinhold  18:16 Right. And last time I checked, you've got more than 925 current independent income property investors, many of those whom are GRE listeners. Well, we're going to talk more about just how low those rates are. Who participates in the buy down? I already know that most of it's the builder, and just part of it is you, the investor. You're listening to get residuation. We're talking about Florida, build to rent property more when we come back, I'm your host. Keith Weinhold Hey, you can get your mortgage loans at the same place where I get mine, at Ridge lending group  NMLS 42056, they provided our listeners with more loans than any provider in the entire nation because they specialize in income properties. They help you build a long term plan for growing your real estate empire with leverage. You can start your pre qualification and chat with President Caeli Ridge personally. 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Text, FAMILY to 66866.     Garrett Sutton  20:28 This is Rich Dad advisor, Garret Sutton, to grow your wealth. Listen to the always valuable. Get Rich Education.   Keith Weinhold  20:45 Welcome back to Get Rich Education we're talking about half of progress real estate investing in high growth Florida, with a renowned build to rent provider there. And I think a lot of this really comes down to trust with the fluctuating interest rate environment that we've had, some people don't trust certain builders or that investor to go ahead and put down a deposit on a vacant lot and wait 12 months or more for it to be built. But we're not talking about pre construction here.   Jim Sheils  21:16 No, no. Since we steamed up with Sumitomo, you know a lot of good builders again, they can't even start the project until they have a a buyer with a deposit down. That's the requirement for the bank to give them the money to start building. We don't have bank requirements, so we're building on our own dime, and so we are having properties completed before you even have to make an offer on them. So these are finished properties, sometimes a tenant already in place. I know just this month, there's been a few GRE people very happily stepping into pre rented homes. So you don't have to wait that period. If you're ready to move your money or have a 1031 exchange, we can fulfill those no problem, and close within 30 days Our in house financing, Keith, which I know we're about to go over, I want to make sure people know this is for not only our single families, but our duplexes and our quads as well.   Keith Weinhold  22:02 Tell us more about that in house financing that's something of great interest to people, and especially with these mortgage rate buyouts.   Jim Sheils  22:09 Yeah, everyone says, Oh, I wish I had locked into a mortgage before June of 2022 right? I mean, for every time we heard that, Keith, well, now you can and what we're able to do since we have the balance sheet we have now, with teaming up with this bigger company, banks will allow us to do what's called a builder forward commitment and buy large tranches of money. We're in the money buying business, I guess, now, and we have to commit to large amounts of money, but by doing that, we're able to pay fees upfront to buy down the mortgages. So right now, our most popular rate is 3.75. You as the buyer, and these are called discount points, which I've heard Keith talk about. You're bringing in a little under two discount points to get the 3.75 rate. And you say, Okay, well, Jim, we're bringing in a little less than two points. What are you bringing in? We're not really supposed to talk about that, but here's what I can tell you, do this test, go to one of your mortgage friends, or your B of A or Wells Fargo, and ask it what it will take for you to pay to buy down a rate for 3.75. Now, first of all, they will not allow you to do that much. We are on a more high volume schedule that will allow us to do that, but let's say, if they would, here's what the feedback we've got. If you were to try to do this on your own, Keith, you or I just walking into our bank, you would have to pay anywhere from 12 to 15 points to make this happen. Gosh, and that was the advantage of working as a collective group like we do together, you and I in our investor community, because now that we're able to do volume, it benefits us   Keith Weinhold  23:39 all. No one really knows where interest rates are going to go. I think it's pretty foolish to try to predict them, but very few people think they're ever going to drop to the levels that we saw during the depths of the pandemic, 3.75% if you get locked in there, it's pretty unlikely that the future market is going to meet that down the road at all and tell us more about that product type, the single family homes, duplexes and fourplexes that this is available on. And of course, they're all new build.   Jim Sheils  24:09 Yeah, we do a combination of new build on all of these. We found, Keith, a lot of build to rent. Companies really only focused on the single family home, but we found, you know, to increase rental yield and overall returns. There was really a lack in the market for duplexes in residential areas and quads, again, and those are close to commercial deals, without the commercial financing, they allow more affordable rent in more residential areas that people can afford and want to be in. And we found through the pandemic, these had a greater calling to them than, let's say, a large apartment complex. You know, people want to be a little more spread out, have their own yard, like in a duplex, and they get that there, but they get it at a fraction of the price that a complete single family home would be at. So we found, as you know, most of our investors, our average client, buys three to eight properties with us, and no surprise, they. Buy a mixture of single family duplex and quads. I know we agree on this. Keith, the single family home has had the best history of all of great equity appreciation, and the duplex might lag behind that a little bit, but it's got a better cash flow. So I will always do little trade offs and combo my own portfolio to make up for two of those. And that's what our counselors usually coach our people. I know yours do as well.   Keith Weinhold  25:23 Yeah, the economies of scale for the real estate investor really can be there long term with duplexes and fourplexes, and you're really helping fill a need. Some months ago, I talked about the mmm multi families, missing middle, about how so few duplexes, triplexes and fourplexes are being built today, as compared to when you had about three times as much construction in those property types that you did in the 1980s a lot of that's really gone away. You're really bringing it back. We talk about some of the areas where these are built. You know, Jim years ago? Well, really about 10 years ago, when I began this show, I was often talking about how I want to be invested in Metro statistical areas that have a population of at least 500,000 to 1 million people, in order to get a diversity of economic situations there, because you do need rent paying tenants. But so much has changed since then, starting four to five years ago, with the work from home movement, I'm more open to more outlying areas than I had been previously. So tell us about some of these areas that you choose to build in. In Florida.   Jim Sheils  26:29 yeah, you know our hub market where we started doing rehabs many, many, many years ago was Jacksonville, Florida. Yeah, and we still are headquartered here, but Jacksonville, again, is the most affordable coastal city, I believe, still on the East Coast, which brings great fundamentals. It hits both of your things, Keith, where it is larger, but it has more of a sprawl and that larger population and the fundamentals look really well again, that overall median price is still very low. And we branch down to Palm Coast, which is a little more of a higher end area, but a bedroom community, to Jacksonville, the silent soldier, the one that really surprised us the most. I think you remember, this was Ocala. In fact, when Christopher said, Do you want to go start building Ocala, and this is about a decade ago, I said, Wow, Ocala, isn't there only, like, some horses out there? Yeah, now he's a horse guy. So he laughed, and he said, Oh, sure enough, I put my foot in my mouth. But Ocala, the amount of growth that we've seen out there has been incredible. And Ocala is really well placed because it's just below Gainesville, where the, you know, there's the medical centers, the university, and it's just north of the villages, which is the second largest retirement community and growing. Not only that, it has its own economic infrastructure, but it's really well placed in the difference of a price of a home for a starter family in Ocala compared to like Northern Tampa. There is no comparison. You're talking half. So we like that. And also with rents, it's got a great lifestyle. And then southwest Florida again, Southwest Florida, Keith, we're very lucky that we took some risk there. A lot of builders would like to be building down there, but as you remember, we took some big risks in 2020 we talked to some of our friends and said, this can be really good or really bad for real estate. We went with the really good and we loaded up on, well, a lot, over $20 million worth of land at the pre jump prices. Now we're into land right down there so we can get them built right for you guys still make a margin for ourselves that other people that they're trying to get land today, they just can't do and Southwest Florida has been a really good market for us. Had that hurricane there a few years ago, and all of our new construction properties did well. In fact, of almost 300 properties that were under construction, we had four that needed insurance claims, and those four, Keith, well, we had just put up the freestanding walls. We hadn't been able to tie the roof on before the winds and the winds knocked the walls over, and that's it. But there was no flooding, and that's why you get an insurance break. And all the markets that we're in, we always hear, Oh, you can't get insurance in Florida. And I kind of giggle and say, on which properties? Because there is a very different treatment for a new construction property built 2004 or newer, compared to a property built 1957 on lower ground.   Keith Weinhold  29:02 Yeah this is such an important thing to bring up. Property insurance premiums have been hiked substantially on Florida, existing, older build properties, not the post 2004 ones like Jim is talking about here and yeah, for those that don't know, Ocala, there in Central Florida is known as an equestrian area for horses and your business partner, Chris, that's his big hobby. So yeah, when you first went there, you were with Chris. You were like, are you just trying to get there because you want to be around horses more and what? But now there's actually a good fundamental reason for this, where it makes sense to build there. Well, Jim, why don't you talk about how you've specifically helped one of our listeners, or the typical buyer there in how that process looks, including an approximate timeline to get them from the time where they submit an offer all the way through to closing.   Jim Sheils  29:52 Yeah. Well, you know, our team and your team work together. We want to make sure we set people's goals and expectations. Up front. What are you looking for? What are you trying to get into? If someone says to me, Look, I'm looking to get into a great starter home with the lowest basis and highest cash flow, I'm gonna say, Okay, let's look at Ocala. They say, Look, we're looking more long term. I'm more of an equity growth player. Yeah, I want cash flow. I'm gonna say, Okay, let's look at Palm Coast, or southwest Florida. Together with our teams and our property counselors, we try to assess what are your needs and where are you wanting to go. Now, all of our vehicles will get through there, but some a little better than others, depending on the plan you want to put together. And so once we do do that, what we like to do is go through properties that seem to match what they're most wanting. We'll go through the performance. We'll look up the site maps, we'll go through the different fundamentals of that direct area, and then, if it seems to make sense, first thing we got to do is get you pre qualified with our in house lender. All is that a go? Well, then we can make an offer, get it in. We have a whole onboarding process. You know that we've done hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of time, and now we're over. I know I laugh because we talked recently and you said, I think you're at a 925. Investors, we're over 1000 now, so we're continuing to grow. But again, we've tried to make it fluid, where our people are part of the process, but never alone. We answer the questions on the financing help get you the directionals on the insurance now, you can use whatever insurance company you want. 99% of them use the company that we recommend. We have no financial affiliation with them. But everyone asked years ago when Chris and I started this, well, who do you use for insurance? Who do you use? So we just gave them who we used, and this person usually undercuts and better coverage than most. So all those pieces Keith with going through that and again, this is about a 30 day process of getting qualified, once you pick the property, submitting the contract with your 10% deposit, doing your onboarding for Property Management and Insurance pieces. And then, obviously you don't have to come here to see us for closing. We do all of our traveling closings for you. And most important thing I like to set up with PM is, where do you want the money wired?   Keith Weinhold  31:59 That's a great question. Well, yeah, I mean, this is a great answer for so many of our listeners, those super attractive rate buy downs. And then the big thing is, is, in many cases, you're not waiting and waiting and waiting months for the build to take place. Well, Jim, before I tell our listeners how they can connect with you over there, do you have any last thoughts overall with anything that we did touch on or did not.   Jim Sheils  32:22 I want to encourage people, if they're not looking to get in the next to real estate in the next two to three years, not a big deal. But if you're looking to get in sometime over the next year, then I would really look at what's happening, things you talk about with the rates and the interest, because I do believe that institutional money within the next six months, it'll be interesting when we reconnect, Keith, that are going to start coming in and buying up more residential real estate. However, their hands are tied right now. They cannot get the financing that the smaller guy can. So whether it's with us or someone else, take advantage. Take advantage. David and Goliath, this is a great opportunity where the big guys cannot keep up with you, because they can't get the financing and insurance rates that you can so take advantage.   Keith Weinhold  33:03 Well, I specifically wanted to have you on today because it is an opportunistic time. They serve Florida with new builds. Learn more about their properties and even get some under contract. If you so wish, you can do so by contacting your GRE investment coach. If you don't have one yet, you can do so at GREmarketplace.com it is free or at GREmarketplace.com/florida. Jim, it's been great having you back on the show.   Jim Sheils  33:32 Thanks having me. Keith, good seeing you.   Keith Weinhold  33:39 Yeah, an excellent update on Florida build to rent properties. A lot of our listeners are asking about these new build properties with 3.75% mortgage interest rates, and you are not the majority participant in the rate buy down either. Next week, who I consider the foremost tax authority in the entire world will be back here with us. Tom Wheelwright is going to discuss presidential candidates, tax plans, whether you should be scared about a tax on unrealized gains and a lot more. Also on a future episode, I'm going to talk about the land that is the vacant land that comes along with your rental property, what to look out for and what to avoid. It's really a little discussed subject that we haven't talked about here before. To learn more about Florida, build to rent property with those attractive rate buydowns, start at GRE marketplace.com Until next week, every host, Keith Weinhold, Don't Quit Your Daydream.   34:45 Nothing on this show should be considered specific, personal or professional advice. Please consult an appropriate tax, legal, real estate, financial or business professional for individualized advice. Opinions of guests are their own. Information is not guaranteed. All investment strategies have. Potential for profit or loss. The host is operating on behalf of Get Rich Education LLC, exclusively.   Keith Weinhold  35:13 The preceding program was brought to you by your home for wealth building. Getricheducation.com

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517: The Future of Homebuilding with George Gilder

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Play Episode Listen Later Sep 2, 2024 43:42


Futurist, Technologist and Author of many titles including the classic “Wealth and Poverty”, George Gilder joins us to discuss supply side economics and the transformative potential of using graphene material in various industries including real estate. We discuss economic growth measured by time prices, showing that private sector progress is faster than GDP estimates. Learn about graphene's properties, including its strength and conductivity, and its potential to transform various industries. Graphene is a single layer of carbon atoms that is 200 times stronger than steel, 1000 times more conductive than copper and the world's thinnest material. Resources: getgilder.com Show Notes: GetRichEducation.com/517 For access to properties or free help with a GRE Investment Coach, start here: GREmarketplace.com Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Invest with Freedom Family Investments.  You get paid first: Text FAMILY to 66866 For advertising inquiries, visit: GetRichEducation.com/ad Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review”  GRE Free Investment Coaching: GREmarketplace.com/Coach Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free— text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Complete episode transcript:   Automatically Transcribed With Otter.ai    Keith Weinhold  00:01 Welcome to GRE. I'm your host. Keith Weinhold. I'm talking about the various economic scare tactics out there, like the BRICS, the FDIC and the housing crash. What lower interest rates mean? How our nation's $35 trillion debt has gone galactic. Then today's guest is a legend. He's a technologist and futurist. It tells us about today's promise of graphene in real estate all today on get rich education.  when you want the best real estate and finance info, the modern Internet experience limits your free articles access, and it's replete with paywalls and you've got pop ups and push notifications and cookies disclaimers. Oh, at no other time in history has it been more vital to place nice, clean, free content in your hands that actually adds no hype value to your life. See, this is the golden age of quality newsletters, and I write every word of ours myself. It's got a dash of humor, and it's to the point to get the letter. 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You know, as a consumer of this media type as you are, it's remarkable how often you've probably encountered these de facto scare tactics, like the BRICS are uniting and it will take out the dollar and it's just going to be chaos in the United States. You might know that BRICS, B, R, I, C, S is the acronym for Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. Do you know how hard it is to get off the petro dollar and how hard it is for the BRICS, which is basically more than just those five countries, it's dozens of countries. How hard it is for them to agree on anything with things as various as their different economies, and they'll have different customs and currencies. I mean, sheesh, just for you to get yourself and three friends all to agree to meet at the same coffee shop at the same time, takes, like a Herculean effort, plus a stroke of luck, and all full of you are like minded, so I wouldn't hold your breath on the dollar hyper inflating to worthlessness, although it should slowly debase. What about the scare tactic of the FDIC is going to implode, and this could lead to bank closures and widespread societal panic. Well, the FDIC, which stands for Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, they're the body that backs all of the US bank deposits, including yours, and it's steered by their systemic resolution Advisory Committee. Well, there are $9 trillion in bank deposits, and is backed by only a few 100 billion in FDIC cash, so there aren't nearly enough dollars to back the deposits. So can you trust your money in the bank? That's a prevalence scare tactic, but my gosh, if nothing else, history has shown that the government will step in to backstop almost any crisis, especially a banking related one, where one failure can have a cascading effect and make other institutions fall. I'm not saying that this is right, but time has proven that the government does and will step in, or the common scare tactic in our core of the world that is the eminent housing price crash. And I define a crash as a loss in value of 20% or more. Do you know how difficult this would be to do anytime soon? Housing demand still outstrips supply. Today's homeowners have loads of protective equity, an all time high of about 300k so they're not walking away from their homes. Inflation has baked higher replacement costs into the real estate cake, and now mortgage rates have fallen one and a half percent from this cycle's highs, and they are poised to fall further, so a housing price crash is super unlikely, and a new scare tactic for media attention seems to be this proposal by a future presidential hopeful about a tax on unrealized gains. Now Tom wheelwright is the tax expert. He's returning to the show with us again soon here, so maybe I'll ask him about it. But a tax on unrealized gains is politically pretty unpopular. It would be a mess to impose, and a lot of others have proposed it in the past as well, and it has not gone anywhere. Plus tax changes need congressional approval, and we have a divided Congress, there's a small chance that attacks on unrealized gains could come to fruition, but it would be tough. It's probably in the category of just another media scare tactic, much like the BRICS and the shaky FDIC banking structure had a housing price crash. I like to keep you informed about these things, and at times we do have guests with a disparate opinion from mine on these things. Good to get a diversity of opinions, but it's best not to go too deep into these scare tactics that are really unlikely to happen any time soon. Well, there was a party going on 10 days ago at what all affectionately dub club fed in Jacksonhole Wyoming, I don't know what the club fed cover charge was, but fortunately, we did not have to watch Janet "Grandma" Yellen dance at Club fed and and share. Jerome Powell, yes, he finally caught a rate cut buzz. He announced that the time has come for interest rate cuts, and as usual, he didn't offer specifics. Total rager. what a party. later this month, he's going to render the long awaited decision, which now seems to be, how much will cut rates by a quarter point or a half point? Did you know that it's been four and a half years since the Fed lowered rates? Yeah, that was March of 2020, at the start of the pandemic. And then we know what happened back in 2022 and 2023 they hiked rates so much that they needed trail mix, a sleeping bag and some Mountain House freeze dried meals to go along with their steady hiking cycle. Interest rates now, though have been untouched for over a year, it's been an interesting year for the Fed and rates many erroneously thought there would be six or more rate cuts this year. And what about Maganomics? Trump recently said that if he becomes president, he should be able to weigh in on fed decisions that would depart from a long time tradition of Fed independence from executive influence. Historically, they've been separated.   Donald Trump  08:26 The Federal Reserve's a very interesting thing, and it's sort of gotten it wrong a lot. And he's tending to be a little bit later on things. He gets a little bit too early and a little bit too late. And, you know, that's very largely a it's a gut feeling. I believe it's really a gut feeling. And I used to have it out with him. I had it out with him a couple of times, very strongly. I fought him very hard. And, you know, we get along fine. We get along fine. But I feel that, I feel the president should have at least say in there. Yeah, I feel that strongly. I think that, in my case, I made a lot of money. Iwas very successful, and I think I have a better instinct than in many cases, people that would be on the Federal Reserve or the chairman.   Keith Weinhold  09:10 Those Trump remarks were just a few weeks ago, and then shortly afterward, he seemed to walk those comments back, but he did say that he would not reappoint. DJ J-pal, to the economic turntables. It's a long standing economic argument as well about whether an outside force like the Fed should set interest rates at all, which is the price of money, rather than allowing the rate to float with the free market as lenders and borrowers negotiate with each other. I mean, no one's out there setting the price of oil or refrigerators or grapes, but it is pretty remarkable that the Fed has signaled that rate cuts are eminent when inflation is still 2.9% well above their 2% target. But let's be mindful about the Fed's twofold mission, what they call their dual mandate. It is stable prices and maximum employment. Well, the Fed's concern is that second one, it's that the labor market has slowed and see the way it works is pretty simple. Lower interest rates boost employment because it's cheaper for businesses to borrow money that encourages them to expand and hire, which is exactly how lower interest rates help the labor market. That's how more people get hired, and this matters because you need a tenant that can pay the rent. So the bottom line here is to expect lower interest rates on savings accounts, HELOCs, credit cards and automobile loans. What this means to real estate investors is that lower mortgage rates are eminent, although the change should be slow. Two years ago, mortgage rates rose faster than they're going to fall. Now, one thing that lower interest rates can do is lower America's own debt. Servicing costs and America's public debt is drastic. Now, between 35 and $36 trillion in fact, to put our debt into perspective, it has gone galactic. And I mean that in an almost literal sense, because look, if you line up dollars, dollar bills, which are about six inches long, if you line those up end to end from Earth, how far do you think that they would reach? How about to the moon? Oh, no, if you line up dollars end to end, they would stretch beyond the moon. Okay, let's see how far we can follow them out through the solar system. They would breeze past Mars, which is 140 million miles away, the next planet out Jupiter. Oh, our trail of dollar bills would extend beyond that. Next up is Saturn and its ring. The dollar bills would reach beyond that. We're getting to the outer planets now, Uranus still going. Neptune, okay, Neptune is about $30 trillion bills away, and we would have to go beyond that then. So our 35 to $36 trillion of national debt would almost reach Pluto that's galactic. That's amazing. That's bad, and it probably means we have to print more dollars in order to pay back the debt, which is, of course, long term inflationary. And I don't know what's stopping us from going from $36 trillion up to say, 100 trillion, gosh. next week here on the show, we're talking about real estate investing in one of the long time best and still hottest real estate investor states, and then later on, we've got brilliant tax wizard Tom wheelwright returning, as we know here at GRE real estate pays five ways, and if you have any Spanish speaking family or friends, I've got a great way for them to consume all five video modules. It's an AI converting my voice to Spanish in these videos, we have a Spanish speaker here on staff at Get Rich Education, and she said the dub is pretty good. Well, the entire package, real estate pays five ways in Espanol is condensed into a powerful one hour total, all five videos a course, all in one wealth building hour. It's free to watch. There's no email address to enter or anything you can tell your Spanish speaking family and friends, or maybe your multilingual and your primary language is Spanish. That is it getricheducation.com/espanolricheducation.com/espanol or a shorter way to get to the same pageis getricheducation.com/espricheducation.com/esp, that's getricheducation.com/esp.richeducation.com/esp.  This week's guest is one of the first people I ever heard discussing the blockchain and cryptocurrency 15 years ago, and then he was early on AI. What got my attention is his education about a promising construction material for building new real estate, though, I expect that our discussion will delve outside of real estate today as well. Let's meet the incomparable George Gilder. This week's guest is the co founder at the Discovery Institute, discovery.org original pillar of supply side economics, former speechwriter to both Presidents Reagan and Nixon. And he's the author of the classic book on economics called Wealth and Poverty. Today he's at the forefront of technological breakthroughs. He's a Harvard grad. He wears a lot of stripes. I've only mentioned a few. Hey, welcome to GRE George Gilder.   George Gilder  15:09 right there better here.   Keith Weinhold  15:11 It's so good to host you, George, in both your writings and your influences on people like President Reagan, you champion supply side economics. And I think of supply side economics as things like lower taxes, less regulation and free trade. We had someone in the Reagan administration here with us a few months ago, David Stockman. He championed a lot of those same things. But go ahead and tell us more about supply side economics and what that means and how that's put into practice.   George Gilder  15:43 Well, it really begins with human creativity in the image of your Creator, essence of supply side economics now super abundant. I mean supply side economics triumphs. We had the whole information technology revolution ignited during the Reagan years and now dominates the world economy and gives the United States seven out of the top 10 companies in market cap. 70% of global corporate market cap is American companies because of supply side economics amazing, and that's why it's distressing to see supply side economics, with its promise of super abundance and prosperity and opportunity, Give way to narrow nationalistic calculations and four tenths of war. I mean, all these Jews are at the forefront. Today, in time, we're going to see human creativity once again prevail in my books, Life After Capitalism is my latest book, my new paradigm is graphene. Graphene is a single layer of carbon atoms, two dimensional layer of carbon atoms that is 200 times stronger than steel, 1000 times more conductive than copper. It switches and the terahertz trillions of times a second, rather than the billions of times a second that our current silicon chips which and you mix it with concrete, the concrete comes 35% stronger, just parts per million of graphene mixed with concrete yields some material that's 35% stronger than ordinary concrete. You mix a parts per million of graphene with asphalt, the roads don't get potholes in the winter. It's radically Abate, but it conducts signals so accurately. If you go on YouTube, you can find a mouse and said it's spinal cord severed completely, injected with graphene, the spinal signals transmitted so accurately that the you see the mouse doing cartwheels by the end of the YouTube measure. I mean, it's material that's going to transform all industries, from real estate to medicine to surgery to electronics. Electronics been kind of the spearhead of our economy, of the transformation and electronics may be more significant than any other domain.   Keith Weinhold  18:49 Well, this is a terrific overview of all the contributions you're making to both the economic world and the technology world with what you told us about right there. And I do want to ask you some more about the graphene and the technology later. But you know, if we bring it back to the economics, it was in your classic book, Wealth and Poverty, which sold over a million copies, where you espouse a lot of the same things that you still espouse today in your more recent books, that is, capitalism begins with giving, we can often think of it that way. As a real estate investor is where we need to give tenants a clean, safe, affordable, functional property before we profit. Capitalism begins with giving.   George Gilder  19:32 Absolutely. That's a crucial debate I had with Ayn Rand The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged and I say, capitalism is subsist on altruism. I'm concerned for the interests of others, imaginative anticipation of the needs of others. It's an altruistic, generous system, and from that generosity. Stems the amazing manifestations of super abundance that which I've been writing about recently. And super abundance shows, measured by time prices, how many hours a typical worker has to spend to earn the goods and services that sustain its life. Yeah, that's where the real cost has time. Yeah, time is money. Money is time, tokenized time, and measured by time, economic growth has been 50 to just enormously faster than is estimated by any of the GDP numbers. However, measured by time government services or ordinary GDP assumes that every dollar of government spending is worth what it costs. Prices both show that progress in the private sector has been four or five times faster than is estimated by GDP well government time, price of government dominated goods, including, increasingly, healthcare and education, is way less valuable than the cost. It's value subtracted, and certainly trillions of dollars for windmills and solar panels, trillions of dollars of subsidies is a net subtraction of value in the world economy. So I am with Gale Pooley and Tupy, both who wrote a book called Superabundance that I wrote the introduction to, and William Nordhaus, the Nobel laureate from Yale, who really conceived and developed time prices and showed that economic growth is 1000s of times greater than has been estimated by ordinary economic data. This is a time of abundance. It's not a time of scarcity. It's not a time of the dismal science. It's the time of super abundance.   Keith Weinhold  22:17 Yes, 100% a lot of that is just the government getting out of the way and really let people be givers, be that go giver and lead with giving, because I have never heard of a society that's taxed its way to prosperity.   George Gilder  22:34 Yeah. Well, that's absolutely the case. And I've been talking previously about graphene, which is the great new material that has been discovered of the last a couple decades. It originated, a lot of the science originated in Jim Tour's laboratory. James Tour of Rice University, and he's had scores of companies have emerged from his laboratory, and 18 of them got started in Israel. Israel is really become a leading force in the world economy. And when Israel is in jeopardy, our economy is in jeopardy. We have 100,000 Israeli citizens working in companies in Silicon Valley, 100,000 all the leading American tech companies have outposts in Israel, and now we face what I call the Israel test, which is how you respond to people who are really superior in creativity and accomplishment and intellect, and the appropriate thing to do is emulate them and learn from them. But too many people in the world see success and they want to tear it down, or they think it was stolen from someone else, or it was part of a zero sum game where the riches of one person necessarily come at the expense of someone else, which is the opposite of the truth, the riches proliferate opportunities for others. That's how the economy grows through the creativity and the image of your Creator.   Keith Weinhold  24:25 And when you bring up Israel, they're one of many nations that's made strong contributions to society and the economy, and we think about other nations that's been an increasingly relevant conversation these past few years, a lot of that centers on immigration. I'm not an expert on how many people we should let into this country or any of those sort of policy sorts of things, but here is a real estate investing show. I often think about where and how we're going to house all these immigrants, whether they come from Central America or South America or Israel or. Anywhere else. And I know oftentimes you've touted immigrations economic benefits, so I think it's pretty easy for one to see how in the short term, immigrants could be of economic detriment, but tell us more about those long term economic benefits of immigrants coming to the United States.   George Gilder  25:17 Immigrants come to the United States and become Americans and contribute American opportunity and wealth. We won the second world war because of immigration of Jewish scientists from Europe to the United States, who led by people like John von Neumann and Oppenheimer who forged the Manhattan Project, and that's really how we won the Second World War, was by accepting brilliant immigrants who wanted to serve America. Now there is a threat today where immigrants come to the United States not to contribute to the United States, but to exploit the United States, or even destroy it, not to go givers. They are givers, and so we want immigrants who are inclined to commit to America and create opportunities for the world, but immigrants who want to tear down America and who believe that America owes them something tend to be less productive and less valuable immigrants and immigrants who really want to destroy western civilization, and the jihadists that we know about are actually a threat to America. So the immigration problem isn't simple, but when we had a system where legal immigrants could apply and enter our country and revitalize it, that was a wonderful system, but having boards of illegal immigrants just pour over the border is not an intelligent way to deal with the desire of people around the world to share an American prosperity.   Keith Weinhold  27:13 We've seen several cases in the past year or two where immigrants are given free housing. There are really great case studies about this in Massachusetts and some other places, how they're giving housing before oftentimes, our own Americans, including sometimes retired veterans, are provided with housing. This all comes down to the housing crunch and already having a low housing supply. So what are some more your thoughts about just how much of a layup or a handout should we give new immigrants?   George Gilder  27:42 Housing technology is going to be transformed by the material science revolution that is epitomized by graphene, this miracle material I was describing. I think part of the problem is real estate enterprise is over regulated, and there are too many obstacles to the building of innovative new forms of housing. In 20 years, it'll be hard to recognize many of the structures that emerge as a result of real revolution in material science that is epitomized by this graphene age that I've been describing, and that also will transform electronics as well, and part housing can become a kind of computer platform as Elon Musk is transforming the auto business by seeing Tesla is really a new form of computer platform. I believe there's going to be an Elon Musk of real estate who is going to re envisage housing as a new form of building a computer platform that makes intelligent houses of the future that will be both cheaper and more commodious for human life.   Keith Weinhold  29:12 Real estate is rather old and slow moving when we think about technology in real estate, maybe what comes to mind are smart thermostats, smart doorbells, or 3d printed homes. When we come back, we're going to learn more about graphene and what it can do in real estate in the nanocosm revolution. Our guest is George Gilder. We talked about economics. We're coming back to talk about technology. I'm your host. Keith Weinhold. Keith Weinhold  Hey, you can get your mortgage loans at the same place where I get mine, at Ridge lending group NMLS, 42056, they provided our listeners with more loans than any provider in the entire nation because they specialize in income properties. They help you build a long term plan for growing your real estate empire with less. Ridge you can start your pre qualification and chat with President Caeli Ridge personally. Start now while it's on your mind at ridgelendinggroup.com That's ridgelendinggroup.com. Your bank is getting rich off of you. The national average bank account pays less than 1% on your savings. If your money isn't making 4% you're losing your hard earned cash to inflation. 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We're joined by an illustrious, legendary guest, George Gilder, among being other things, including a prolific writer. He's also the former speechwriter to presidents Reagan and Nixon. He's got a really illustrious and influential career. George, you've been talking about graphene, something that I don't think our audience is very familiar with, and I'm not either. Tell us about graphene promise in real estate.   George Gilder  31:59 Well, back in Manchester, England, in 2004 graphene was first discovered and formulated. It actually was submerged before then, but the Nobel Prizes were awarded to Geim and Novoselov in2010.  So this is a new material that all of us know when we use a lead pencil, a lead is graphite, and graphene is a single layer of graphite. And it turns out, many people imagined if you had a single layer of graphite, it would just break up. It would not be useful.   Keith Weinhold  32:42 We're talking super thin, like an atom.   George Gilder  32:45 Yeah, it's an atom thick, but still, it turns out that it has miraculous properties, that it's 200 times stronger than steel. If you put it in a trampoline, you couldn't see the trampoline, but you could bounce on it without go following through it. It can stop bullets. It means you can have invisible and almost impalpable bulletproof vests, and you mix it with concrete, and the concrete is becomes 35% stronger, even parts per million of graphene can transform the tensile strength of concrete, greatly reduce the amount you need, and enable all sorts of new architectural shapes and capabilities. We really are in the beginning of a new technological age, and all depressionary talk you hear is really going to be eclipsed over coming decades by the emergence of whole an array of new technologies, graphene, for instance, as a perfect film on wafer of silicon carbide and enable what's called terahertz electronics, which is trillions of cycles a second like light rather than billions of cycles a second like or Nvidia or L silicon chips, and it really obviates chips, because you what it allows is what's called wafer scale integration of electronics, and today, it the semiconductor industry, and I've written 10 books on semiconductors over the years, but the semiconductor industry functions by 12 inch wafers that get inscribed with all sorts of complex patterns that are a billionth of a meter in diameter. These big wafers and then the way. First get cut up into 1000s of little pieces that each one gets encapsulated in plastic packages and by some remote Asian islands, and then get implanted on printed circuit boards that arrayed in giant data centers that now can on track to consume half the world's energy over the next 20 years, and these new and all this technology is ultimately going to be displaced by wafer scale integration on The wafer itself. You can have a whole data center on a 12 inch wafer with no chips. It's on the wafer itself. And this has been recently announced in a paper from Georgia Tech by a great scientist named Walter de Heere. And it's thrilling revolution that that render as much as Silicon Valley obsolescent and opens up just huge opportunities in in construction and real estate and architecture and medicine and virtually across the range of contemporary industry.   Keith Weinhold  36:20 You wrote a book about blockchain and how we're moving into the post Google world is what you've called it. So is this graphene technology that you're discussing with us here? Is that part of the next thing, which you're calling the nanocosm revolution?   George Gilder  36:36 The microcosm was an earlier book the quantum revolution and economics and technology. I thought I wrote years ago called microcosm.   Keith Weinhold  36:46 Okay, we're getting smaller than microcosm now in nanocosm.   36:49 that was microns, that was millionths of a meter dimensions of the transistors and devices and silicon chips, the nanocosm is a billionth of the meter. It's 1000 times smaller the features and electronics of the future, and we're moving from the microcosm into the nanocosm. New materials like graphene epitomize this transformation. You know, people think that these giant data centers all around the world, which are amazing structures, but half the energy in these data centers are devoted to removing the heat rather than fueling the computation. And I believe these data centers are represent a kind of IBM mainframe of the current era. When I was coming up, people imagined that a few 100 IBM mainframe computers, each weighing about a ton, would satisfy all the world's needs for computation, and that new artificial minds could be created with these new IBM mainframes. And it's the same thing today, only we're talking about data centers, and I believe that the coming era will allow data centers in your pocket and based on graphene electronics, and wait for scale integration, a whole new paradigm that will make the current data centers look like obsolete, old structures that need to be revitalized.   Keith Weinhold  38:37 Around 2007 Americans and much of the world, they got used to how it feels to have the power of a computer in their pocket with devices like the iPhone. How would it change one's everyday life to have effectively a data center in their pocket?   38:54 This means that we no longer would be governments of a few giant companies hearing a singular model of intelligence. That's what's currently envisaged, that Google Brain or Facebook or these giant data setters would sum up all human intelligence and in a particular definition, but there are now 8 billion human beings on earth, and each of our minds is as densely connected as the entire global internet. And while the global Internet consumes error watts, trillions of watts of power, or brains. Each of these 8 billion human minds functions on 12 to 14 watts, or it's billions of times less than these data center systems. On the internet. I believe that technology works to the extent that it expands human capabilities, not to the extent that it displaces human capabilities. The emergence of distributed databases in all our pockets, distributed knowledge and distributed creativity can revitalize the whole world economy and open new horizons that are hard to imagine today, as long as we don't, all of a sudden decide that we live in a material universe where everything is scarce and successes by one person come at the expense of somebody else, as long as that zero sum model doesn't prevail, right? Human opportunities are really unlimited. Most of economics has been based on a false model of scarcity, the only thing that's really scarce is time. Imagination and creativity are really infinite.   Keith Weinhold  41:10 Yes, well, if someone wants to learn more about graphene in the nanocosm revolution, how can you help them? What should they do?   41:18 They can read my newsletters. I have a company with four newsletters. I write the Gilder Technology Report. Much of the time I write, John Schroeder writes moonshots, which is and I have a Gilder Private Reserve that reaches out with our crowd and Israel, and a lot of those graph gene companies in Israel are part of our Private Reserve. And I do Gilders Guide posts, and those are all available getgilder.com.   Keith Weinhold  41:56 if you'd like to learn more about George and his popular newsletter called the Gilder Technology Report. You can learn more about that at get gilder.com George, it's been an enlightening conversation about economics and where society is moving next. Thanks so much for coming on to the show.   George Gilder  42:16 Thank you, Keith. I really appreciate it.   Keith Weinhold  42:24 yeah, a forward looking discussion with the great George Gilder. Forbes said graphene may be the next multi trillion dollar material. George will tell you that you want to get into graphene now, while the biggest gains are still ahead. If it interests you in at least learning more, check out his video resource. It's free. There's also an opportunity for you to be an investor. You can do all of that and more at getgilder.com again getguilder.com until next week. I'm your host. Keith Weinhold. Don't Quit Your Daydream.   43:04 nothing on this show should be considered specific, personal or professional advice. Please consult an appropriate tax, legal, real estate, financial or business professional for individualized advice. Opinions of guests are their own. Information is not guaranteed. All investment strategies have the potential for profit or loss. The host is operating on behalf of Get Rich Education LLC, exclusively.   Keith Weinhold  43:32 The preceding program was brought to you by your home for wealth building. GetRichEducation.com

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516: Is Every Debt Worth Paying Off?

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Play Episode Listen Later Aug 26, 2024 40:24


In this episode Keith shares the survey results on what the highest rising cost for landords is and what to do about it. He challenges the conventional wisdom that all debts should be paid off.  He talks about how the rising costs of homeowners insurance and property taxes are the most significant expenses for single family landlords 76% of single family landlords plan to raise rents over the next 12 months, with 35% expecting increases over 4%. Learn about the concept of debt as leverage and its role in wealth building. The importance of liquidity, interest rate arbitrage, and the ability to outsource debt payments. How inflation impacts debt. Understand the benefits of debt in real estate investment, including the ability to own more properties and create arbitrage opportunities. Show Notes: GetRichEducation.com/516 For access to properties or free help with a GRE Investment Coach, start here: GREmarketplace.com Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Invest with Freedom Family Investments.  You get paid first: Text FAMILY to 66866 For advertising inquiries, visit: GetRichEducation.com/ad Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review”  GRE Free Investment Coaching: GREmarketplace.com/Coach Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free— text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Complete episode transcript:   Automatically Transcribed With Otter.ai    Keith Weinhold  00:00 Welcome to GRE. I'm your host. Keith Weinhold, the economy is affecting real estate in some interesting ways. Now, vital trends revealed from a survey of single family landlords. Then the heart of today's show is every debt that you have worth paying off. The answer is no, with some surprising reasons all today on Get Rich Education. When you want the best real estate and finance info, the modern Internet experience limits your free articles access, and it's replete with paywalls and you've got pop ups and push notifications and cookies, disclaimers. Oh, had no other time in history has it been more vital to place nice, clean, free content into your hands that actually adds no hype value to your life? See, this is the golden age of quality newsletters, and I write every word of ours myself, it's got a dash of humor, and it's to the point to get the letter. It couldn't be more simple. Text, GRE 66866 and when you start the free newsletter, you'll also get my one hour fast real estate course, completely free. It's called The Don't quit your Daydream letter and it wires your mind for wealth. Make sure you read it. Text GRE to 66866, text GRE to 66866.   Corey Coates  01:34 You're listening to the show that has created more financial freedom than nearly any show in the world. This is Get Rich Education.   Keith Weinhold  01:51 Welcome to GRE you are listening to the voice of real estate investing since 2014 I'm your host, Keith Weinhold back to help you build your wealth for another week. This is Get Rich Education. That's just one of many things that makes this show different from other shows, or just consuming news stories. Here, you stay updated on important real estate investing trends, but you learn specific strategies to actionably build your wealth. That's the difference, and it's with the most generationally proven medium of real estate, all without you having to be a flipper and often not a landlord either. Now, presidential candidates make lots of promises during their campaigns, that includes with real estate here recently, even if you're listening 10 years from now, I'll tell you how to put something like this into perspective. Kamala Harris unveiled her plan to spur the construction of 3 million more housing units. That's a good thing. America needs more housing. She also wants to give federal assistance, and by the way, that means your money. She wants to give federal assistance in the form of a $25,000 down payment help for first time home buyers. I see that as a bad thing, and see there's no partisan bias here at GRE a lot of media outlets, they will filter something like this is all good or all bad, because they get better ratings when they rile people up, and that results in a divided America. But the problem is that the 25k of down payment help that can be delivered faster than new homes can be built, and that risks pushing up home prices faster, sooner, which arose the very affordability that's trying to be helped here now a presidential candidate, be it Kamala Harris or anyone when they have this enthusiasm to also limit price gouging at grocery stores here, like this candidate does. I mean, that's the beginning of price controls, and when there are price controls, no farmer is going to want to produce cherry tomatoes or Fisher is going to want to produce wild caught salmon if they have a significant price ceiling limiting the supply of those things. Therefore, I mean, when we had price controls in the high inflation 70s, that created shortages. And it's important to keep in mind that presidential campaign promises, they often don't become policies that are enacted even if that person is elected president, and even if they are, much of this still requires congressional approval, and we still have a divided Congress, and any tax changes require the approval of Congress. So really, this stuff is just a presidential wish list, giving you some perspective here. Now on the topic of shortages, there still is not enough available supply of US homes, active listings, those seeking a starter home often get more worn out than your grandpa after two games of checkers. But inventory levels are not as bad as they used to be, we still got a ways to go to claw back close to a more normal, balanced pre pandemic housing supply level nationally, we are still 29% lower. There are now still 29% fewer active listings than there were in pre pandemic times and most individual states still have inventory levels lower than that, too, compared to five years ago, when we break it down by state, some have a more paltry supply than others, though, places with the scarcest inventory, they seem To be those states where maple syrup gets produced, as it turns out, and I sure hope that this doesn't mean people need to sleep in the sugar shack. Connecticut is down 75% that means they have 75% less inventory than five years ago, pre pandemic, Illinois down 66%,  New Jersey down 57%, Virginia down 53%, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts and Michigan all with 51% less inventory than they had pre pandemic. Ohio down 43%, California and Missouri each down 31%. The main problem here is that the Northeast and Midwest have not had enough home building in order to keep up with housing demand. I guess what? There were too many snow days in the Northeast and Midwest, or were builders constantly distracted by potholes and cicadas? Conversely, there are three popular investor states where for sale inventory is just a tad higher now than it was five years ago. Texas is up 6%, Florida up 5%, Tennessee up 2% and this doesn't mean that these states are oversupplied with housing, it just means that they have a touch more than they did in 2019 so they're closer to balance. The important overall thing to remember here is, of course, that nationally, buyers still outnumber sellers. So between the lower mortgage rates that we've had in the past year and the low supply, this keeps the environment ripe. There will be more offers and more potential for home prices to increase faster than its current rate of 4.1%. That 4.1% year over year, as per the NAR, it's important for you to understand that there's virtually no way that prices can revert to their pre pandemic levels. Home prices are not going back to where they used to be five years ago. In fact, there is more pressure on them to rise from here not fall, and there are a few reasons why prices cannot go back to where they were. The rate of inflation has slowed. You've seen the price of lumber come down, but wider inflation has been indelibly baked into the pricing cake. Homes now have higher, permanently embedded costs of labor, materials and land that all have more stick-to-itiveness to them than Simone Biles on the balance beam. Prices are not coming down anytime in the near future. You might remember that right here on this show in in our newsletter, back in late December, eight months ago, I forecast that national home prices would rise 4% this year, and I still really like how that looks.  I'll get back to the investment side here shortly, but real quick, in light of the new rules about how real estate agents are compensated if you're about to buy a primary residence, you may not have any experience negotiating with a broker. In last week's newsletter, I sent you a template you can use and that can help you simplify the process as a buyer and help you avoid being taken advantage of. I sent you that template last Thursday. Back here on the real estate investor side, after a high tide of inflation, you know, you and I, we have all surely enjoyed the splash of both higher property prices and rents. That looks to continue. But what about your higher property expenses, too? Let's talk about what you've got to do to avoid getting crunched by expenses. A survey of single family landlords was recently conducted by lending one in resi club, and they asked this question, what is your expense that increased the most the past 12 months? The number one answer is fast rising insurance premiums, with half of respondents citing that as their biggest expense increase item. And that's hardly a new development, not surprising. The next biggest expense was property tax,  27% of respondents cited that. That's mostly a reflection of higher property values and their consequent tax assessments. 235 single family landlords completed this survey, by the way. So they were the proportion of landlords that answered about what was their fastest increasing expense. Half of them said insurance, easily the most well, the rate of increase in homeowners insurance costs was roughly 10 to 12% nationally last year. That's according to the Insurance Information Institute, and the top two reasons for this are more severe storms and higher replacement costs. The good news is that further rate increases are cooling off, though, all right, but still, what are you to do as a rental property owner that's stuck with a higher property insurance bill? I've got a great answer for you, and it's so incredibly simple. You pass the expense along to your tenant with a rent increase, and then others can deal with what happens downstream from there. And I'll tell you how to go about doing this shortly, which is also so incredibly simple. But if you're reluctant to pass along the increased insurance expense to your tenant, understand that you and your tenant are just like two ports along a river. As this wave of inflation flows along, it flows from the reinsurer to the insurer, to you, the property owner, to the increased rent, to the hike in the tenant wage, to the employer, and then the employer hikes prices on the consumer. That's how the river flows. No watered down returns for you. Now, of course, this River's headwaters are sourced with the government, because that's where inflation comes from. Inflation means an expansion of the money supply. You and your tenant are really two ports along the river. Don't let the expense water dam up and flood you, and the written reason that you give your tenant for the rent increase is drum roll here, higher insurance costs. Yeah, that's it. It's super simple. There's no need to be inventive here. Honesty is therefore the best river raft. Hey, come on now this remorseless geography degree holder has got to let loose with something like river references from time to time. So that's the greatest expense increase item, what to do about it and how you should go about doing it. Now this same survey of single family landlords, they showed that 76% expect to reach high watermarks and raise the rent over the next 12 months, including 35% of landlords who say the rent increase will be over 4% and planned rent increases of one to 7% are most common. That's the planned rent increase range one to 7%. Look, you didn't get into real estate to subsidize others living expenses. There is nothing unethical about adjusting to market level rent. Rent hikes are like a lock lifting your ship through the Panama Canal. All right, so what do we make of this. I mean, gaging, overall investor sentiment is we head later into the 2020s, decade. What is the landlord temperature? As I see it, expenses are up. Higher. Rents follow. And last quarter, home values increased in almost 90% of us, Metro markets, yes, property values are up in 89% of Metro markets. But how do single family landlords in this same survey feel? Well, 60% of them say they will buy at least one investment property over the next 12 months. So most single family landlords they want to buy more. And when that's broken down by region, the most single family real estate investor optimism is in the Midwest, Northeast and South. And really single family landlords are optimistic in every region except the West. And this makes sense. Cash Flows are less lucrative in the West because prices have long outpaced rents there, the survey really shows that most aren't wildly bullish or excessively bearish on the real estate market. They expect it to stay balanced. Many plan to buy properties raise rents, and the survey shows that they, too, expect a 4% home price appreciation rate. That's what it showed, and they anticipate falling interest rates.  Now, personally, I often disagree with what the masses think. I mean, contrarians to the mainstream, they are often the profiteers. But in this case, I guess I'm more agreeable with the survey respondents than a perfectly brewed cup of coffee in the morning. And well, maybe that's because single family landlords, the very people that were surveyed are not mainstream. The housing market is actually pretty normal in most every significant way, except, of course, the ongoing lack of housing inventory and affordability challenges for first time homebuyers. And if you're a newer GRE listener, even normal times can be thrilling for a real estate investor when you achieve a 40% plus total rate of return from how real estate pays you five ways. Yes, if you're new here, I know that sounds like an unachievable return, but 40% plus is actually realistic without high risk when you understand your five simultaneous profit sources with income producing property. In fact, when someone asks why you invest in real estate, you can just hold up five fingers. The broader economy shows a lot of signs of normalcy as well, GDP, growth, consumer spending, unemployment, the inflation rate, but the sad exception here is this widening gap between the wealthy and the poor, so I guess that more people charter yachts and yet others increasingly pour mountain dew on their fruit loops in the morning for breakfast. Now, complete uncertainty never disappears, but after disruptions from covid, high inflation and new wars, a lot of people see calmer times ahead. Elections matter, but some people seem more concerned about who the next President will be than the parent of a Sephora obsessed teen. Presidential elections aren't known to rock the real estate market, and actually, history shows that the more sensitive stock market is only temporarily affected by an election. Sometimes I just ponder and quietly think to myself, hmm, when the liquid death drink brand thrives from Hawking wildly overpriced water in a can, I posit just how bad can the economy really be? The bottom line is that most single family investors are meeting higher insurance expenses with rent increases and they want to buy more income property over the next 12 months.  Hey, if you like this show here, and you get value from it every week, I love it when you just simply tell a friend about the show, it's as easy as having them download our dedicated Get Rich Education mobile app for both iOS and Android. If you think you have any friends that would benefit from the vital episode here, I'd be grateful if you shared the show with them, use the Share button on your podcaster, or even take a screenshot and post it to your social. Straight ahead is any debt worth paying off? I'm Keith Weinhold. 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Instead of earning less than 1% sitting in your bank account, the minimum investment is just 25k, you keep getting paid until you decide you want your money back. Their decade plus track record proves they've always paid their investors 100% in full and on time. And I would know, because I'm an investor too, earn 8% hundreds of others are text FAMILY  to 66866, learn more about Freedom Family Investments, Liquidity Fund, on your journey to financial freedom through passive income. Text, FAMILY to 66866.   Dani-Lynn Robison  20:49 This is Freedom Family Investments Co-founder, Dani-Lynn Robison, listen to Get Rich Education with Keith Weinhold, and Don't Quit Your Daydream.   Keith Weinhold  20:57 Welcome back to Get Rich Education. I'm your host, Keith Weinhold, you're listening to Episode 516 is every debt that you have worth paying off? The short answer is no. I have held millions of dollars in debt from a young age, and I just keep holding on to more and more. Look what happens to your net worth when you pay down one of your debts, absolutely nothing happens to your net worth. It stays the same. All right. Say that the total value of all of your assets gives you a sum of one and a half million dollars. That's the combined value of any of your real estate, cars, retirement accounts, gold, Bitcoin, all of it, anything of value one and a half million and totaling up all of your debts equals just a half million. That's your mortgages, automobile debt, credit card debt, everything. All right, so you've got one and a half million in assets and 500k in debt. So you've got a million dollar net worth, okay, well, next, say that you decide to pay down 100k of your debt. All right. Well, what's the result? You've got only $1.4 million in assets and just 400k in debt. Well, the result is that your net worth is still a million bucks. You've now got fewer assets and less debt, so you just broke even. But it could be worse than just a break even, because what if, one month after you made this debt pay down. You now need that 100k back for living expenses, but you can no longer get it returned to you because you lost your job, so no one will qualify you for a loan again, or you still have your job. But lending standards have tightened and changed now your 100k is on the other side of a wall that you can't access. So debt pay down isn't just a question of net worth, it's liquidity. And there are some more layers here that we're going to get into paying down mortgage debt. It also builds home equity. Well, that is usually a bad thing, because, as I'm known for saying, home equity is unsafe, illiquid, and its rate of return is always zero. Do you know the crowd that sometimes forgets this and really gets penalized? It is seniors, retirees. All right, what happens when a person is older and they've had a paid off home for a while. People get a reverse mortgage. They need funds for living expenses. Well, reverse mortgages, they have high fees, and also you can't get nearly all of your equity out. You'll often only get up to 60 to 65% loan to value, meaning that 35 to 40% of that hard earned equity that you worked decades for. First it became trapped with no return, and now it's essentially gone. Poof. For all those years, your home is paid off, even if it began as early as your 30s, like it does for some people all that time your equity wasn't earning any rate of return. And the earlier in life you learned that the ROI from home equity is always zero, the better. You didn't see any bill for this loss. You just never saw the gain that you should have had. And that's part of the reason why this myth that home equity is such a great thing perpetuates and carries on for generations. All right, well, we are just getting warmed up here at a key financial question in your life. That question is, is every debt that you have worth paying off?   24:58 Did you know millions of Americans live with debt they cannot control. That's why I developed this unique new program for managing your debt. It's called Don't buy stuff you cannot afford. Let me see that. If you don't have any money, you should not buy anything. hmm sounds interesting, sounds confusing.   Keith Weinhold  25:24 Well, there's a little something to be said for that. But what about interest rate? If that 100k that you paid down was for credit card debt? All right? Well, that was probably a good thing. 44% of American credit card holders carry debt month to month. Now I'm going to guess for you the GRE listener, it's even less likely than that that you carry debt month per month, where you would be subject to credit card finance charges. The average credit card interest rate in America is about 25% today, and it is unsecured debt, meaning that it's a debt type that's not backed by collateral. Now, yes, you can beat a 25% return if you're leveraged in real estate, but your liquid cash flow drain is drastic on credit cards. The other problem with credit cards is that you have to pay your own debt. Later, I'll talk about when others pay your debt for you. And if you have decided that you have some debts worth paying down because its interest rate is too high for goodness sake, pay the one with the highest interest rate first. I know there's a school of thought that says, pay the debt with the lowest balance. First, that is nonsense. Now, sometimes, if you know specifically what you're doing with credit cards, you can play some little games with them. I mean, personally, after I finished college, I kept transferring credit card balances with 0% APR, Intro offers, introductory offers that were for a limited time at 0% and then I kept track of that so that intro rate didn't expire. But this isn't any sort of long term wealth building strategy. Higher balance transfer fees have made that strategy less lucrative. Now too, banks have tightened that up. When it comes to interest rates, it's about that arbitrage. Ask yourself really two questions when it comes to arbitrage, which is just a fancy sounding way of making a profit or a spread. First, you need to ask yourself, how good of an investor Are you? What percent return can you reliably earn from your investments? Say you think it's 15% then if you're plus 15 but the interest rate on your debt is 8, well, then you've got 7 points of arbitrage or profit. So keep the 8% debt. And then secondly on arbitrage plays. Ask yourself, can I afford the cash flow if I keep this debt around? Because if you're 15% return, just say that it's all tied up in the appreciation of a property. Well, that's not very liquid, so you're going to need to have the free cash to make the payments on your 8% interest rate loan. Let's talk about other times not to pay down the debt. Say you're trying to build up an emergency fund of at least three months, or you want to contribute to your employer match in your company's retirement plan, you may very well want to fund those things before you pay down debt too. Now some say, hey, you know something. Just forget about all these numbers like rates of return and interest rates. You know, debt just makes me feel anxiety and feel stress and sleeplessness. There is emotion here, so let me just get it paid off. Or I'm afraid that if I've got some money and I don't pay off my debt, that I'll just lose all of the money to sports gambling, and to that, I say, come on, be an adult. Set some boundaries. Dog ears, some cash for entertainment, and have a firm line. Learn how to use that to your advantage. Debt is like fire. It can burn you if you don't know how to use it, and it can heat your home if you do know how to use it. And if debt gives you sleeplessness. Here, this will help you sleep your debts, principal balance is being debased for you as you sleep, every single one of your debts is being eroded by inflation. Right now, as you listen to me, your principal balance is quietly, debasing and passively, eroding with your say 500k of total debt. We have 10% inflation over a couple years. Well, that erodes its weight down to 450k all without you having to get involved and make any pay downs at all. As wages go higher, and so do prices and rents and salaries, as they all spiral higher, it gets easier to pay back those principal balances. And debt is the most powerful wealth building force that I know of, because debt is leverage. Compound interest is weak. Leverage is powerful. Debt allows you to own and control five times as many properties as you could if they were all paid off. And if you don't understand this, or if your jaw hit the floor, what I just said a minute ago, that compound interest is weak. I just discussed this for you in clear detail nine weeks ago, on Get Rich Education podcast episode 507. So go and check that out. One attribute of real estate debt is that as you get properties where the rent income meets or exceeds the expenses, congratulations, you have reliably outsourced all of your debt payments to tenants. See, most of my debt, personally, virtually all of it, it isn't really going to be paid back by me. It's my tenants, and that is another reason to keep debt in place and only make the minimum payment. Let's talk about another reason to pay down your debt when a payoff or pay down actually does make sense, even if it's at a low interest rate, it's when an outside force kind of makes you pay down your debt. And here's what I'm talking about. Say you're trying to buy a property, whether that's a primary residence or rental, and that you've got say, Oh, just $11,000 left to pay on your car loan at a 5% interest rate, even though you can't outsource the payments. That's a pretty nice low 5% interest rate, you're confident that you can beat that and earn more elsewhere, so you'd rather enjoy the positive arbitrage instead of paying that off. And I'd feel the same way. But here's the twist, your mortgage loan officer says you've got to pay the $11,000 down to zero because your debt to income ratio is too high. So if you want the mortgage, the big loan amount, you've got to pay off the car loan, the little loan amount. Well, that's a case when it makes sense to pay off that automobile loan debt then, and also, when it comes to your credit score, you might need to improve it to qualify for another loan so you can get a low interest rate and 30% of your FICO score is made up of your amounts owed. I'm answering a vital question for you today, and that is, is every one of your debts worth paying off? I'm sharing information, perspective and experience with you here, and this experience was built, just like all experiences, and I didn't always have the experience, of course. Now my parents and I split my college loan costs, 5050, I still had student loan debts for a few years after graduating, and you know, I can't remember what my student loan interest rates were maybe 6% blended because I had a few different student loans, some of which I did transfer onto those 0% intro, APR credit cards, by the way. But after my student loans were paid off, and I started investing in real estate and understanding terms like leverage and arbitrage, you know, I started to wonder if it would be desirable to have those student loans back rather than paying them off so fast I could have owned another property or two sooner, and I'll never know the opportunity cost of not benefiting from the returns on owning more Property sooner. And of course, student loan debt is one of the few debt types that cannot be written off in bankruptcy that tilts back a little toward paying them off sooner than later.  What you just heard me talk about here for the last 15 or so minutes is a message that hundreds of millions of people need to hear it's that not every debt is worth paying off or even paying down. So to help give you a summary answer to our question, is every debt worth paying off? The answer is no, and the key considerations are liquidity, interest rate arbitrage inyour ability to outsource the debt. Debt is good when it helps you buy a cash flowing asset or create arbitrage. Debt is probably even good when it helps you buy a home for your family and have a sense of permanency and a mantle to place baseballs and hang Christmas stockings from and build memories. And now this is all because every single one of us either uses debt or we forego the opportunity to use debt. Well, when we forego using debt, we are now subject to a resultant opportunity cost, and this is why a central and enduring mantra here at GRE is that financially free beats debt free. Financially free means that you have enough residual income streams to meet all of your expenses and live just how you want to live. Debt Free means that you don't owe anyone anything, but if you put debt free before financially free, you are going to grind and live below your means and eat dirt and miss opportunities for decades.   And speaking of leveraging your way to financial freedom with assets, the way that we actionably help you here is by recommending income producing providers and properties for you. And you probably noticed over time that GRE marketplace properties here are less expensive than elsewhere. And you might wonder why exactly is this? Well, there's a few reasons. Investor advantage markets have low prices. Also, there is no agent you get to buy directly. Thirdly, providers provide homes in bulk, keeping your costs down. And then finally, there are no owner occupied emotions involved here with buying and owning rental properties, so you don't have sellers that are making unreasonable requests. So this helps answer why GRE marketplace properties are often good deals. Now it seems like states with the best cash flow in real estate are the same ones where people are more likely to wear bib overalls. That's just how it is. In fact. Hey, case in point, I just learned about some brand new, new build single family rentals in southwest Missouri at GRE marketplace. They're available for you to own regardless of where you live. They make ideal rentals, and they come with free property management for the first year. And because they're freshly built. Expect the likelihood of a quality tenant, light maintenance and low repair costs for years. Let me just quickly mention two of them to give you a feel. The first one is in Carthage, Missouri. The single family rental is three bed, two bath. Rent 1550 the price is 206k it's 1200 square feet, built this year. You get a $1,200 rent credit with it. So it's going to take a 51k down payment, and it produces cash flow. The second one is in Carl Junction, Missouri, four bed two bath in this single family rental. The rents $1,875 the price $250,500 1683 square feet built this year. 62k down and produces cash flow. And like I said, both come with free property management for the first year, and we can help set up an entire real estate investment plan for you, whether it's with these properties or others in multiple states, where we help you make it easy on yourself and contact a GRE investment coach. It is truly free always. There aren't going to be any hidden coaching bills that pop up in the mail. We don't have some paid coaching program. We're trying to upsell you. We don't have anything to sell, and our coaches are like advisors, consultants, super connectors and like silent partners on your deals, and they get zero equity in the deal. And our coaches don't wear Bib Overalls either. So they keep it really relatable for you, make it actionable and make a real difference in your life, start at gremarketplace.com. That's where you can contact a GRE investment coach, and we'll see how we can help you out from gremarketplace.com just click on the free investment coaching button.  Until next week, I'm your host, Keith Weinhold, and I'll be back to help you build your wealth, Don't Quit Your Daydream.   39:46 Nothing on this show should be considered specific, personal or professional advice. Please consult an appropriate tax, legal, real estate, financial or business professional for individualized advice. Opinions of guests are their own. Information is not guaranteed or investment strategies have the potential for profit or loss. The host is operating on behalf of get rich Education LLC, exclusively.   Keith Weinhold  40:06 The preceding program was brought to you by your home for wealth building. GetRichEducation.com.

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513: Finding Hidden Opportunities in Beaten-Down Commercial Real Estate with Dolf de Roos

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The King of Commercial Real Estate joins us to discuss office, hotels, apartments, retail, industrial and warehouse real estate. Many office building values are down 80%+. Is it headed straight to purgatory? According to Moody's, the national office vacancy rate is 20%.  Offices have the double-whammy of higher interest rates and lower demand. Learn how feasible office to residential conversions are. For two years now, momentum has swung from Airbnbs to hotels. More apartment syndications will blow up from forthcoming interest rate resets. Commercial real estate often has higher prices than residential. Learn from our guest, Dolf de Roos, on creative ways to make low down payments.  Learn how to vet commercial tenants. We discuss adding carports to residential RE. Rich people are often vilified. They're called “filthy rich” or “stinking rich”. 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There are many commercial real estate sectors. Large apartments, office, hotel, hospitality, retail, warehouse, industrial. Well, what's thriving? What's been beaten up so bad and is never coming back? And what's in a dip that's ripe for opportunity? Also creative deal structuring if you don't have a lot of money. It's the debut of the King of Commercial real estate here today and get rich education. When you want the best real estate and finance info, the modern internet experience limits your free articles access, and it's replete with paywalls. And you've got pop ups and push notifications and cookies. Disclaimers are at no other time in history has it been more vital to place nice, clean, free content into your hands that actually adds no hype value to your life? See, this is the golden age of quality newsletters, and I write every word of ours myself. It's got a dash of humor and it's to the point to get the letter. It couldn't be more simple.   Keith Weinhold 00:01:13  Text gray to 66866. And when you start the free newsletter, you'll also get my one hour fast real estate course completely free. It's called the Don't Quit Your Daydream letter and it wires your mind for wealth. Make sure you read it. Text gray to 66866. Text gray 266866.   Corey Coates 00:01:41  You're listening to the show that has created more financial freedom than nearly any show in the world. This is get rich education.   Keith Weinhold 00:01:58  What does your read? From Tuscarora, Pennsylvania, to Tuscaloosa, Alabama, and across 188 nations worldwide. I'm Keith Whitehill, and you're listening to get Rich education. Today's guest, the king of commercial real estate, is talented, dynamic, global, articulate, has both a wide range of knowledge and an expansive palette of creative strategies in both commercial and residential, where you can buy with little out of pocket. And he's going to share that with us today. That's coming up here shortly. Now, when we think about residential real estate, of course, that is a really wide world in itself.   Keith Weinhold 00:02:38  From condos to single family homes to tiny studio apartments. You could also divide it into short term and mid-term and long term rentals. And then you could also parse it by all of the geographic markets. Well, of course, the commercial real estate world has a ton of segments too, one of which is office, which I want to talk about because it's probably been the most downtrodden and beleaguered since 2020. But there are still some things that are misunderstood within office and even dividing things up that much. Let's take care not to broad brush stroke office real estate itself some smaller segments of office might be in decent shape today. Other office segments are in real trouble. Like we're talking about tall concrete and glass, office towers and a lot of business parks, too. Yeah, business park, sort of a campus like areas, like maybe what the comedy The Office had. He had Dunder Mifflin was in a business park.   Steve Carell 00:03:43  I'm just helping you invest in your future, my friend.   Oscar Nunez 00:03:46  It sounds like a get rich quick scheme.   Steve Carell 00:03:48  Yes. Thank you. You will get rich quick. We all will.   Keith Weinhold 00:03:52  yeah. I guess that's what Steve Carell's character. What Michael Scott from The Office says about prudent investing. Let's talk about office real estate and how that intersects with the housing market. And really a lot of this comes down to the office vacancy rate. Moody's tells us that 1 in 5 office spaces in this economy are empty. And that is the highest ever. And a lot of people think that it's going to go higher right now. Dayton, Ohio is the highest in the nation at 28%. These are office vacancy rates. Charleston, West Virginia's 27. Tulsa, Oklahoma 26. And Houston, Dallas and Austin are all in the top ten for the worst office vacancy rates. Now, a lot of city officials, they want to turn that into housing, and they want government funding in order to make that transition happen from office to residential. This is most attractive to cities if you can partially convert a building to have housing on upper floors, and then you just maintain some offices on lower floors and see that mix right there, that makes for a vibrant, lively downtown community, because that way you don't have downtowns that go quiet at 5:00.   Keith Weinhold 00:05:10  But a lot of these renovations, they just aren't that feasible. They call them ritzy conversions. That's kind of what this is known as. So office to residential. I mean that means you often got to deal with huge floor plates, overhaul mechanical systems, and you've even got to consider things like the fact that windows don't open in office buildings. And they've often got to for resin conversions. Well, with this prolonged high vacancy in offices. Well, where do these people that would have been in offices spend their time instead? Well, of course at home in their residential real estate. And oftentimes it is a one for one. You have one less person occupying an office for lots of that waking day, and that means one more person occupying their home. Well, that's one reason that people are increasingly willing to spend and pay more for homes because they're spending more time than ever there. And ever since the work from home movement and zoom from home movement, if you will, since that became commonplace for urban workers coming off the pandemic, you soon saw the hashtag auto.   Keith Weinhold 00:06:27  The return to office movement that began is where you've got to come into the office 2 to 3 days a week, and then a lot of companies try to ramp it up to 4 to 5 days per week. Some companies even said, yeah, come on in here. You've got to in order to be eligible for promotions. Well, a lot of people don't want to come into the office. We found that out now, especially younger workers. In fact. Did you ever hear of the term coffee bagging? Yes. Some workers are trying to game the system. Coffee bagging. That is the art of returning to the office to a quick hit. Just have a quick hit. You only badge in, get coffee, chat and peace out of there. Well, more people are doing this or they're staying at home than what you're often led to believe. So despite the RTL movement that you hear about the share of employed persons that work their average day from home, last year it rose to 35%, up from 34%, and that's per the BLS.   Keith Weinhold 00:07:31  Well, that's a little interesting to know, but it all comes down to that office vacancy rate, which is, like I said, a stubbornly high all time record 20% nationally, and it could go higher. If you're going to invest in office real estate today, I mean, you've really got to have some insider knowledge and invest smart.   Donald Trump 00:07:55  Did you use the word smart? so you said you went to Delaware State, but you forgot the name of your college. You didn't go to Delaware State. You graduated either the lowest or almost the lowest in your class. Don't ever use the word smart with me. Don't ever use that word. Oh, give me a break. Because you know what? There's nothing smart about you, Joe.   Keith Weinhold 00:08:16  oh, dear. Oh, one of those two men is our current president, and the other could be our next president. Oh, well, love him or hate him, I guess the Trump. Hey, he is the Art of the deal author. And when you think about the Trump name, you should think about seeing those letters on tall office buildings in hotels coming up on the show here in future weeks.   Keith Weinhold 00:08:39  We are stacked with great guests an NFL All-Pro, the president of the Mississippi Institute, the return of the tax free wealth author Tom Wheelwright, and also the incomparable financial firepower of Garrett Gunderson. That's all coming up here in future shows. Let's talk to the king of commercial real estate. This week's guest is a former high tech engineer turned real estate mogul and New York Times best selling author of the book Real Estate Riches. He is globally renowned for his ginormous real estate ventures and his mentorship. But his approach to real estate isn't just transactional, it's about strategic creativity and leveraging property investment for financial independence. Known as the King of commercial real estate. Hey, welcome here for your great debut. Joining us from Malta today. It stopped the roost.   Dolf de Roos 00:09:38  Thank you very much. It's my absolute pleasure to be here.   Keith Weinhold 00:09:41  Oh it's great to finally speak here on the show. And I know that a good segment of our international audience has been anticipating this episode. And often we think about commercial real estate today. Problems come to mind immediately, like the large apartment space with interest rates blowing things up over there, and then the office sector, which just seems to be dying and never coming back.   Keith Weinhold 00:10:03  So first of all, why don't you give us an overview on how various commercial sectors are doing today?   Dolf de Roos 00:10:09  There's always the things that you see on the surface, what you read in the newspapers and what you lead yourself to believe just on the sheer balance of probability. And then there's the reality of what is truly going on. And I'm always amused at the chasm between them. There's a big difference. And in fact, your ability to do well in real estate is largely dependent on the arbitrage between the markets perception of where things are at and the reality. Now, if we all follow the trends, you know, real estate doesn't go up linearly as mathematicians would say. It goes up in fits and starts with each peak a bit higher than the previous peak and each trough a bit higher than the previous trough. But in addition to that, real estate markets always overshoot so that when things are going well, when the public perception is that things are going well, Interest rates are low. There's good capital growth.   Dolf de Roos 00:10:59  People think it's going to go on forever. It will never end and they pay way too much for properties. We have the greater fool theory where no matter how big a fool you are to pay too much for a property, it doesn't matter, because next year they'll be an even bigger fool to pay even more for it. So everyone jumps into the market, overshoots, and then there's a strong correction. A bit like the 2008 GFC. It was on the cards. It was. The writing was on the wall, as they say, and then it corrects. But instead of correcting back to where it should be, it overshoots on the downside as well. And in Phoenix, where I'm based, at one stage we had 90,000 homes into foreclosure simultaneously, and they were selling them on the courthouse steps at the rate of one every 56 seconds for initially 20,020 5000, and people thought, why are these fools buying these properties? The market's crashed. It will never recover. And yet when you live long enough, which unfortunately I have to say, I've done now like I've been around a while, I've seen a few cycles.   Dolf de Roos 00:11:59  No, I'm serious though, Keith, because when you experience your first downturn, you think it's the end of the world. But when you've been through three and you've seen that despite all the bad press and saying it's doomsday to never recover, it not only recovers, but it actually far exceeds where it was before it crashed last time, then you know that the time to take action is when everyone else is panicking. You have to be countercyclical when everyone else is jumping on the bandwagon and paying too much for properties. That's when you should get on a plane and read some good books on a beach somewhere, preferably in a foreign location. Why a foreign location and being disloyal to the home country? Note just explore something. Expand your mind. And you know, I know I'm waving around a bit from topic to topic, but one of the great things about reading books on foreign beaches is that you get to see different ideas of real estate that you can bring back home. So when you bring back these ideas that can help correct the market, then you almost you don't wish for a crash, but you think when it happens, well, there's got to be some good aspect to this and you can actually find some stunning deals from people who are too scared to think it might recover well.   Keith Weinhold 00:13:05  So those places where you might find stunning deals are in some of those commercial real estate sectors that are suffering today. Tell us a bit more about some of those sectors in their health. We're talking about five plus in the department's office, hotel, hospitality, retail, warehouse, industrial. Let us know what's going on with some of those sectors.   Dolf de Roos 00:13:27  In a state of flux. And it's a very good question. Let's talk about hotels for a moment. When the pandemic set in, we were all told to do this thing called to be socially distant. We've almost blissfully forgotten that expression. But social distancing was the thing. So hotels fell out of favor because you're in a foyer with a concierge and a reception area and hundreds of other hotel guests checking in and checking out. So Airbnbs became very popular and the value of hotels plummeted. Many couldn't meet their mortgage obligations because their revenue from room sales did not cover their own loan commitments, so they were being sold off at ridiculously cheap prices. I know of one hotel in the Atlanta area, admittedly a very old hotel.   Dolf de Roos 00:14:09  It was converted into a storage facility. When you think about it, hotels are all compartmentalized and have good little cubicles for story. Yeah, and Airbnbs took off. And we all know people, and people wrote books about it and had courses on it. I know in Phoenix, one statistic in a 12 month period from July 22nd to July 23rd, the availability of Airbnb's went up by 23% and all would have been good and well if demand had kept on escalating. But as the pandemic sort of wound down and people realized they did need to be socially distant anymore. And what's more, when you went to an Airbnb, what you found is that there was a long laundry list of items you had to do, but the sheets through the washing machine no more than one bed at a time. Well, four beds worth of sheets is going to take you three hours and do this and do that. People thought hotels are much easier, so there was a massive swing by tenants of rooms back to hotels, and the value of hotels went back up.   Dolf de Roos 00:15:04  And in the meantime, the value of houses used as Airbnb's, it sort of peaked a bit and it's going down rapidly. How far it will go down? I'm not so sure. So my point is, with hotels in a very short period of time, like three years, the values plummeted and then they came back up again. Office space is suffering a bit of a longer cycle downturn. It's fair to say, I think, that offices are in a very dire straits. Something like $785 billion of mortgages secured against commercial office space that is coming up for renewal, and there's not enough revenue to cover them. There is a pair of hotels on Union Square in San Francisco, for instance, the park Renaissance and the Renaissance itself. They had $745 million of mortgage funding, and the operators of those hotels handed the keys back to the bank and said, we can't make this cash flow. There's a lot of commercial space that is being sold off a ridiculously cheap prices. So there are two ways of looking at this, Keith.   Dolf de Roos 00:16:02  One is if you happen to own office space right now, unless it's boutique space, I've got quite a bit of office space, but it's a very much a boutique classification, and they'll always be demand for boutique office space from unique operators like interior decorators and people like that. But for the general concrete and glass office towers, demand for that has plummeted. The values have gone down and I know of one building in Chicago. It's sold for 315 million. It's on the market at 60 and dropping, and there's not a buyer in sight. And you might say, well, it's got to be a bargain. But no. Here's the challenge. With commercial real estate. Unlike residential, residential is valued on the basis of comps. We all know that if you have a four bedroom, three bathroom home, certain age, certain size, certain condition in a certain suburb, then and if it's sold for, say, $480,000, then a similar sized and aged house up the road, down the street around the corner is going to sell for about the same amount.   Dolf de Roos 00:17:02  Whether it's tenanted or not, that doesn't even matter. But when it comes to commercial real estate, the value of a commercial property is literally a multiple of its rental income. Technically, is the rental income divided by the cap rate? Which cap rate is short for capitalization rate? It literally means the rate at which you capitalize the rental to arrive at the value. So if we can figure out a way of doubling the rental, then we've doubled the value. And by the same token, of course, if you lose the tenant and you have your rental, then you have the value. And that's why the value of so many of these commercial office buildings has plummeted, because there are no tenants for them.   Keith Weinhold 00:17:40  Yeah, well, there's a lot there. And back to the Airbnb thing. Yeah. About two years ago, there seemed to be this well well-documented Airbnb bust. And my gosh, I personally had awful Airbnb experiences recently, including checking into an Airbnb where it hadn't been turned over, it hadn't been cleaned yet, and that I can never unsee what I saw.   Keith Weinhold 00:18:00  Then I had to stay there. That was really rough. I think what you're getting at here is once you hit a bottom, that's where the opportunity is. So there are going to be some of those opportunities somewhere in the commercial real estate sector, commercial real estate syndicators, many of them imploded from high rates. So when we talk about finding the bottom link with these large apartment buildings, how many more apartment syndicator implosions do we expect from the higher mortgage rates?   Dolf de Roos 00:18:27  Many. I'm indifferent to it. I'm not saying I don't have sympathy for the people who own them, and I'm not gleeful for those who buy a bargain. But here's why I'm indifferent. I think it's fair to say that I've made most of my money in real estate by finding either vacant or semi vacant buildings, and that goes against the grain. Most people think they need to look for a building with a good tenant, because it's the tenant that pays the rent, and that's not incorrect. That's accurate. And then if you've got a building that you buy and say 8% return and your mortgage interest is 7%, hopefully that 1% margin covers your property taxes and your insurance and your maintenance.   Dolf de Roos 00:19:05  And then you just wait for time to do this thing where slowly, over time, the rents creep up and the property value creeps up. I don't have the luxury of waiting that long, and I never had the cash to buy properties like that, so I literally sought out semi vacant or even vacant buildings. Now, I didn't buy them because if I bought a vacant building, I still have to pay property tax and insurance. But what I would do before buying it is see if I can find a tenant, and I can give you a specific example. I came across a vacant building that was a funeral parlor, and most people don't like to think of what goes on in a funeral parlor. But they have these stainless steel trays where they put the product of their business on, and they insert these hollow stainless steel tubes and suck up the blood and replace it with formaldehyde and all kinds of things we don't want to think about.   Keith Weinhold 00:19:52  That's even worse than my Airbnb experience.   Dolf de Roos 00:19:55  No one knew what to do with it.   Dolf de Roos 00:19:57  So I found it. And it was being sold for a song because it was vacant. And what I did is I employed someone at the then going hourly rate of $8 an hour to phone every funeral director, going further and further from this place until she found someone who said, oh my gosh, I've always wanted to operate there. And I was just open and honest. And I said, well, there's a funeral parlour premise for sale. Go and check it out if you want to buy it, buy it. Why would I offer it to him, Keith, when I really wanted to buy it? Because the last thing I want is a tenant to be gracious. The fact that the only reason he's paying me rent is that I'd beat him to it. But I knew that in all probability, he didn't want to buy real estate. That's not his gig. And he said, no, I don't have the money or the inclination he had to look at. He said, listen, I love it.   Dolf de Roos 00:20:40  I want to operate there. What would it take? And I said, well, if you're willing to sign up a heads of agreement, an alloy, we're subject to me buying it. You will become the tenant, then I'll have a crack at buying it. And his response was, were not so fast, I need you. I'll only do it if you give me a long term lease. Well, that's exactly what I want. So I'd found a tenant by adding the tenant to this otherwise vacant building. The value of it doubled. And when I went to the bank to apply for a mortgage, they said, well, we're only going to give you 50%. Well, guess what? 50% of double the value was the purchase price. They lent me all but the last $10,000 to buy that property. So the magic sauce here is finding the tenant. Could anyone else have gone through at the time? This is before the internet, the Yellow pages and phoned every funeral director going for. Of course they could, but no one thought of doing it.   Dolf de Roos 00:21:33  And that comes to part of what you had in your title, that this is all about creative real estate. The thing I love about real estate is it's about the only investment vehicle where you can actually use your creativity. I mean, if you're a really creative person and you buy a portfolio of stock, IBM stock and Microsoft and biotech, what.   Keith Weinhold 00:21:53  Can you do to improve it?   Dolf de Roos 00:21:54  Can you deploy your creativity? How can you deploy what you've seen in your travels to make your stock portfolio worth more? Zero. Absolutely nothing. Not with stocks, not with bonds, not with futures. Options, certificates of deposit, Treasury bills, nothing. But with real estate, the sky's the limit, I love that.   Keith Weinhold 00:22:13  Well, you talked about getting into commercial real estate sectors with little or none of your own money. That's part of the creativity. A lot of our audience is interested in investing in residential property, a single family home. You might still be able to get one for 150 K now, 20 to 25% down payment on that 30 K plus.   Keith Weinhold 00:22:34  I mean, that's still pretty manageable for a lot of people, but many are somewhat intimidated by commercial real estate. I think one of the first things they think about is how do I come up with the money? So we talk about creativity in funding that down payment. Tell us more about some good strategies for doing that, and kind of overcoming that daunting feeling of higher commercial real estate prices.   Dolf de Roos 00:22:52  You're absolutely right. Most people think commercial real estate is more expensive, where you might be able to buy a home in a cheaper market, a cheaper price point at one 20,000, say the commercial property is going to be half a million, or if homes are $1 million and a fancy suburb and the commercial properties at 3 million. That's true, but not all properties are like that. My smallest commercial building was a little corner shop. It was a wet fish supply shop, so they sold fish but not cooked fish. And it was a horrible looking thing. But I paid all of $79,000 for it and it's been rented on a full commercial lease from the day I bought it, so it needn't be liked.   Dolf de Roos 00:23:31  In fact, we tend to only notice the big ones for the For Sale sign. You're in the downtown of some city and you see a big one of the big firms, CB Richard Ellis or Jones Lang LaSalle or something for lease or for sale sign, that's for sure. And you don't tend to notice the small ones. The trick in finding good value real estate. Be it commercial or residential, again, has to do with the fact that it's not an automated market like the stock market. You buy stocks through computers on a share market. Everyone pays the same price. But when it comes to real estate, the seller may choose to go through a real estate agency. It might be a national one, and then it's vetted by many agents. But we have a thing known as fizzbuzz or for sale by owner. And why would a seller choose to circumvent a real estate agent? Well, probably because he's hoping to save on the 6% commission. By the way, that's the highest in the world.   Dolf de Roos 00:24:21  And the rest of the orders? 2 or 1 and a half or 3%, it soon to be lowered in the States. But even so, they want to save on that commission and more sinisterly. Perhaps some of them think, why should I entrust my property, the sale of my property to some snooty, nosed 22 year old kid just out of school who doesn't even live in the suburb. I have lived here for 59 years or whatever, he says. And I know what it's worth. And in pricing it, he's either way too high or way too low. Now, if he's way too high, you and I aren't going to buy it because it's just way too high. We know that. But what if it's 100,000 below market value? It happens every day of the week, and if we stumble across one of those, then we might just make 100,000 that day. Not in terms of cash, not in terms of folding hard cash, but in terms of equity. And we could sell it the next day for a hundred thousand more.   Dolf de Roos 00:25:08  But we don't because we want to invest in it. And these things are real key. These happen. That's why I encourage people don't take the same route home from work every day. If you've finished work, get in your car, take a different route, keep your eyes peeled, look for visible signs of a sale by owner, or look for abandoned properties, ones where the grass is a bit high in this litter blown up against the fence and the windows are a bit grimy, and then do some research to find out who owns it.   Keith Weinhold 00:25:34  Sometimes the greater the crisis, the greater the opportunity. But often we talk about, say, if one has overcome the money in the down payment thing, you know, in effect, when we go ahead and get a loan, whatever sector we're investing in, the bank underwrites either us or the bank underwrites the property. But in a sense, us as the investor is we're sort of underwriting the tenant that's in there. Now, when we buy a residential building, you know, we can look at the tennis credit scores and their work history.   Keith Weinhold 00:26:00  You know, we know that the residential tenant is going to pay us to live there. We have a good sense of faith about that. But when it comes to commercial real estate investing, say, I want to buy a plaza with eight businesses in it. I think a lot of investors feel overwhelmed because they're like, oh my gosh, like, how do I study the validity of these eight businesses? And how do I know that they're going to be solvent and sustainable going forward? And do I need to understand all this, or can you speak to that and help break that down for us a bit? Basically the investor underwriting the tenant.   Dolf de Roos 00:26:31  That's all true. And yet there isn't that much to learn. Because if we take your imaginary shopping plaza with eight tenants. Yeah, I think we'd all agree that if one of those tenants was a Gloria Bean coffee and tea or whatever it's called, or Seattle's Best or Peet's Coffee, not to mention Starbucks, that's a global change, but one of those lesser brands.   Dolf de Roos 00:26:51  I think we would be pretty comfortable that they can pay the rent every month. And similarly, the bank underwriting that loan was like, well, a Peet's Coffee or Gloria, that they're a good tenant And, you know, just to name others at random rosters for less, that's a nationwide chain store. I think if we had them as a tenant, that would all go well. And you might get a couple of independents, but they would have a track record. They've leased those same premises for the previous eight years, and they moved there from other premises, which ended up being too small for them. That means they're expanding where they were for 12 years, things like that. Give a picture to any novice in this game to say, wow, they're probably going to be here for the long haul. And beyond that, what happens when you develop the skills to attract new tenants? You don't worry about that even because you know that when you lose a tenant, it's easy to get one lesson.   Dolf de Roos 00:27:42  I've got 101 ways of getting tenants for buildings, and I'm blown away that people don't deploy even one of them. And I'll give you an example from last week. I was with a client in the UK in Bournemouth, which is way in the south of the country, and we were looking at a commercial office building there and it had been vacant for 18 months. And I said to the agent what seems to be the trouble with getting a tenant? And he shrugged his shoulders and said, well, I don't know. It's been on the market for 18 months. And I said, has it ever occurred to you to put a sign outside the property? A big canvas sign hanging on the side of the building signs, and the grass verge saying, this building is for lease. Enquire within or go to this website. And he was stupefied by that thought. He said, what an amazingly good idea. You have to let people know. They think that they're going to go to their office because they're looking for office space.   Dolf de Roos 00:28:34  So now, would they be guaranteed to get a tenant within a week by putting a canvas sign on the building? Of course not. But I know we won't reduce the chances. And that's why if I can find a tenant before committing to buy the building, I'm pretty confident we'll get there. And I've got all these other techniques, Keith, of doing it like one that I really love is, let's say you've got a vacant warehouse and it's an ugly, horrible warehouse in a sea of similarly ugly and vacant warehouses. If you and I bought that, I would hesitate to suggest that we would have a tenant within a month. And here's how we'd do it. We would spend no more than $10,000, and we would go to the manager's office, because ultimately, the person who decides whether to lease our warehouse as opposed to another one, is not the CEO and the head office in New York or LA or wherever. It's not the cleaning lady or man who's going to sweep the floor. It's going to be the manager is going to manage it.   Dolf de Roos 00:29:28  So I get rid of the linoleum and I put in commercial grade carpet. I put in triple glazed or dual glazed windows. Keeps the noise out and the warmth in. I replace the fluorescent tubes with LED lights and replace the locks with electronic locks so he can never forget his keys. I put on an 80 inch LCD screen and tell him it's good for corporate training videos. We know he's never going to watch corporate training videos on it, but those TVs you can buy for $500 now, I put on a little coffee machine and make sure it's brewing when it looks, and have a fridge for end of week drinks, celebrations, and our unsuspecting manager, who's looked at seven ugly warehouses so far that day when he comes to our ugly warehouse and he opens that door to the manager's office subconsciously, or maybe consciously, he thinks, oh my gosh, if I lease this one, this is where I'm going to be packed for 40 hours a week for Lord knows how many years. He says I'll take it.   Dolf de Roos 00:30:17  And he hasn't even asked the rental. You might say that's bribery and corruption, but I think it's just offering a better product than the competition. No one else does this.   Keith Weinhold 00:30:27  Oh well. This is another brilliant example of using creativity in real estate investing. We're talking with the king of commercial real estate, Dolph Thomas More. 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We're at the king of commercial real estate, Dolph Durst. Just like he has a lot of creative, proven types of things that you can do to improve commercial real estate. He also has a lot of those ideas for residential because he's been around the game for so long. So tell us about some more of those creative ways to add value to residential real estate.   Dolf de Roos 00:33:17  Well, probably. Like most people who end up focusing on commercial real estate, I got started in residential and that's where I first deployed some of my creativity. And I noticed, for instance, that I'd have a rental property that had no garage and no carport. And when you think about it, a tenant's biggest asset because it's not their home, it tends to be their car. One could argue that because they waste money on expensive cars every two years, that's why they can't afford to buy a home. But we won't go there. So if it's their car, if there's no carport and no garage, that means their biggest asset is in the rain.   Dolf de Roos 00:33:49  The sleet, the sun, the shine, the hail, you name it. So by building a carport, we can protect their biggest asset and it's worth a lot more to them by any means. If you have a carport on a house, that house will rent for about $80 a month extra. An 80 a month times 12 is 960. Call it $1,000 extra, a rent in a year. And Keith, I can build a carport for $1,000 easily. It's simply for one in each corner and then a roof with a bit of a slope. Why the slope? Well, if it rains, the rain falls off. If you're really cheap, you can get away with three posts. It still stands, you know. But no. And I'm being silly, but we sometimes make them with two posts and cantilever them. They're a bit more expensive, but then there are no posts out front so I can build a carport for $1,000, and then I get $1,000 extra a year coming in. And when you think about it again, which other investment can you think of that once you've consummated the deal, once you own it, you can spend an extra thousand dollars and then get 100% return on that money.   Dolf de Roos 00:34:49  And as they say in the infomercials. But wait, it gets even better. Because think about it. Let's say we have that carport built, but we haven't paid for it yet. And so we've got our thousand dollars a year extra of rental coming in. We go back to the appraiser and say, we want a new appraisal With an extra $1,000 coming in, he's likely to appraise it at $10,000 more. With that increased appraisal of 10,000, we go back to the bank and say, Mr. Bank manager, remember I got a 70 or 80% more. I've got now got an appraisal for 10,000 more. Will you give me a modest 70% loan on that? Well, banks are in the game of lending money and making a profit. So they say yes. So you get 7000 from the bank. Let's use 1000 of that 7000 to pay for the carport. It's now paid for. That leaves us with $6,000 cash. And the question is, is it earned income? And the answer is no, it's not earned income.   Dolf de Roos 00:35:42  There's no income tax on it. Is that the sale of something? Nope. Didn't sell it. No sales tax, no capital gains. It's tax free money. And you might say but hang on, you've now borrowed $7,000 that you have to be interested. Even at a ridiculously high 10%, that would only cost 700 a year. But we're collecting an extra thousand a year. So when you build this carport, you have two choices. One is pay cash for it and get 100% return on your money. Or the second one is don't pay any money for it, but $6,000 of tax free money in your pocket and get $300 a year surplus cash flow index for inflation for the rest of your life. Like, why would you not do that?   Keith Weinhold 00:36:25  Well, and it's a terrific example of how to accidentally improve the property. And it's so interesting that you bring this up, Dolph, because just a few weeks ago here on the show, I talked about garage real estate. I mentioned how adding a carport can often be more cost effective for a landlord from an ROI standpoint, than constructing a garage.   Keith Weinhold 00:36:43  I also talked about the future with autonomous cars. If people are going to need garages as much as they will, but that's into the future, and that's another subject in itself. All for one really important thing. I know that probably even more important than the actual investing is getting people in the right mindset to do this in the first place. You've studied this in really unexpected psychology behind wealth creation. I think a lot of it is counterintuitive, but it kind of makes sense because if you come from a scarcity and conventional mindset and you just do mediocre stuff, you're only going to get a mediocre outcome. So why don't you talk to us more about breaking down that psychology that most Americans and most residents of everywhere in the world really struggle with?   Dolf de Roos 00:37:28  Well, my pleasure. I had been teaching real estate for about 15 years and I decided why? I don't know, but I decided to run a survey to find out how many of my students became a millionaire within 18 months. That was my expected time frame of reasonableness.   Keith Weinhold 00:37:43  Is that I was actually wealthy.   Dolf de Roos 00:37:45  Right? And I was pretty confident. But when the results came in, I was devastated because it was fewer than 4%. And in my mind, 4% wasn't even statistically significant. Meaning if you take a thousand people, a random 4% are going to become millionaires. One's going to marry into money, one's going to win the lottery, one's going to win at a casino, and the fourth one's going to fall over a paper bag and looks inside. And we just believe that there's a million bucks there. So I vowed to stop teaching until I'd cracked the nut, because my dilemma was, how is it that when you give people all the tools you think they need to become fabulously wealthy, they still don't do it right? And what I found is that it had nothing to do with my rate of speech or my accent. Not that I have one, of course, or the content of my information or the sequencing of it. It had everything to do with the subconscious mind of the student, the fear.   Dolf de Roos 00:38:38  And he has that stance. You're a young kid and you say, hey, mom or dad, I want a bicycle. And they say, well, what do you think, kiddo? That money grows on trees and I know where the parents coming from. Hey, money's not that easy to come by. Temper your expectations of what you'll get for your bet. But this kid is. Our money doesn't grow on trees. Meaning money's hard to come by. And how often have we been told money can't buy you happiness. And money is the root of all evil. And when I say that, someone always points out no, the full saying in the Bible is for the love of money is the root of all evil. There's a big difference. And I'll say, yes, there is a big difference. But to the subconscious mind, it's still here's money and evil in the same sentence, and it's unconsciously makes that association. And the religious even say that it is easier to get a camel through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get to heaven.   Dolf de Roos 00:39:24  In other words, if you're rich, you're condemned to hell. And that's a nice, strong belief system to take on board, even subconsciously. And by the way, most people don't know what the eye of the needle is. The eye of the needle was the entrance to East Jerusalem and even camels. And I've been there. I've said the camel said to get down on their knees as a sign of respect before they could enter. So there's a reason behind all these things, but the subconscious mind takes aboard. Money can buy you happiness. Money's hard to come by if you work hard for it. You don't deserve that money's root of lever. You won't get to heaven. You condemned to hell. And how do we describe the rich kids? We say they are so rich. That filthy rich. They're so rich. That stinking rich we associate being rich with filth and stench. So that is why in the United States and every Western nation, when someone wins the lottery and we no longer win 10 or $20,000, it's 300 million or 800 million or 1.2 billion when people win the lottery within five years of winning, 80% of the winners are back to where they were before they won.   Dolf de Roos 00:40:25  Right? And why is that? I discovered that it's because subconsciously, even though they're happy they won it and they going to tell their boss they're going to quit and they're going to buy their parents a nice home and they're going to get a new car. But subconsciously they feel they don't deserve it because they haven't worked hard for it. They're not going to be happy. They're now evil people. They're not going to go to heaven, and they're filthy and they stink. And the only way to overcome that is to get rid of the source of the problem, which is the money. And you'll see it happen again and again and again. So what we do is we dissolve what's in the subconscious mind, all these things that we've been saying without realizing it over and over and over again and replace them with more empowering beliefs. And the great thing about the subconscious mind is, initially, you don't even have to believe the thing that you're going to say over and over again to replace those old ones, but it could be something as simple as money is good or a bit more sophisticated.   Dolf de Roos 00:41:18  My poverty helps no one, but my wealth can help a lot of people.   Keith Weinhold 00:41:22  The more you have, the more you can give.   Dolf de Roos 00:41:24  Exactly as the reverend says, I'm a magnet for money. And so when we get into this mode of thinking differently, then all of a sudden people find that the money starts flowing and we give people specific exercises to do. And it's you think by how is that going to make difference? But it does. And so what I found when I introduced these concepts into my real estate teaching, the success went from under 4% to over 80%. And if that's not evidence enough that this works, I don't know what is.   Keith Weinhold 00:41:56  Yes, it really takes changing that mindset to break down these old stereotypes and have the confidence to say and act upon things like financially free beats debt free. But if you raise to think that money is a scarce resource, you think that retiring debt is a good thing, or don't focus on getting your money to work for you. Focus on getting other people's money to work for you.   Keith Weinhold 00:42:17  A lot of people don't even know what that means. But yeah, it takes breaking down some of these simple things that we all began to learn when we were age five or something like that. Golf is we're winding down here. You operate globally. You play globally. That intimidates a lot of people. They don't really know how to do that. But it's giving you this wherewithal to say that real estate is the only profession that can truly be played globally. Tell us about that.   Dolf de Roos 00:42:44  Well, when you think about it, if you study to become, say, an attorney, you can't just up and leave the US and go to Germany or Peru or Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia to practice, you've got to study their local laws and set the bar exam. If you're a physician, you can't just go to another country and conduct frontal lobotomies on patients. You've got to study and hit the bar exam. I had a friend who was a dermatologist, a skin doctor from Austria. He moved to Australia after eight years of study to get his qualifications.   Dolf de Roos 00:43:13  They wouldn't accept them here to start all over again. And he said that's ridiculous. And he became a farmer and was very happy doing that. But when you think about it, not only our real estate investors welcomed all over the world, but they think that you're going to bring money with you. You don't have to, of course. In fact, if you're going to invest as a US citizen in another country, I would not recommend bringing U.S. dollars with you. I'd recommend borrowing locally, because if you bring U.S. dollars with you, then you're subject to exchange rate fluctuations. So just borrow locally and then you've got no risk from that at all. But despite the fact that the other countries, the host countries think that you're an investor, you're going to bring money. So they welcome you with open arms. I think it's the only profession where you are never discriminated against. Your welcomed. You're made to feel welcome. They want more of you. They encourage you to come with delegations of other investors.   Dolf de Roos 00:44:05  It's kind of good gig to be on.   Keith Weinhold 00:44:08  Make the World Yours. The UN recognizes 193 world nations. Get out and see them and invest outside your own home country if you have the ability to. Well, Duff, you've got this interesting combination of commercial real estate focus, a great grasp of the mindset and how to help people with the wealth mindset. And then thirdly, you also operate globally. So it's been really interesting to speak with you. You help people in so many ways with a lot of your teaching resources. So why don't you let our audience know how they can engage with that?   Dolf de Roos 00:44:41  We have a lot of programs that we run from time to time. I mentioned I saw a client in the UK. He was an example of someone we did a fly out for. I'd spend three days just with that one client to help him with his portfolio. But the thing I've got coming up is a live training and people can get a free seat to attend and learn more at my website called Dolf Live.   Dolf de Roos 00:45:03  So Dorfman and Dolf and then live Live.com golf Dolph Live.com. You can see what we've got coming up there. It's entirely free to attend. And then, you know, once that event's gone, I'm sure we'll post other things there, but that's the best way of staying informed with what I've got going. Part of my passion, Keith, is sharing it. You know, it's pretty boring doing it on your own. And one of the biggest thrills I get is when you get feedback by email or however, from someone who said, well, when I heard this or saw that or read this, I wasn't even sure if it would work and I certainly wasn't sure if it would work for me. But look at what I've done since then, and that gives you a feeling that you can't describe in words. That's pretty cool. You change someone's life and you don't even really know who they are, then that's kind of that's fun stuff.   Keith Weinhold 00:45:48  The ruse has been helpful to me in our audience today. The King of Commercial Real Estate, thanks so much for coming on to the show.   Dolf de Roos 00:45:55  Hey, thank you so much for the opportunity. I really enjoyed it.   Keith Weinhold 00:46:04  Check out Dolph Live.com. It looks like he's got a live event coming up this Thursday night, and if you missed that more afterward, like I was saying earlier, a ton of great episodes coming up here on the get Rich education podcast, just stacked. As always, you'll get lessons from me when I'm going to break down. Is any debt worth paying off? Which debts are which are not and why? That's going to help you know what to do with every debt for the rest of your life. And that's besides what I mentioned earlier, both new guests and very popular returning guests. I hope that you learned something today. I'll run it back next week when we meet again. Until then, I'm your host, Keith Weintraub. Don't quit your daydream.   Speaker 8 00:46:54  Nothing on this show should be considered specific, personal or professional advice. Please consult an appropriate tax, legal, real estate, financial or business professional for individualized advice. Opinions of guests are their own.   Speaker 8 00:47:05  Information is not guaranteed. All investment strategies have the potential for profit or loss the host is operating on behalf of get Rich education LLC exclusively.   Keith Weinhold 00:47:22  The preceding program was brought to you by your home for wealth building. Get Rich education.com.

Working Mom Moments | Work Life Balance, Schedule, Overwhelmed Mom, Career and Kids, Mom Motivation, Mom Guilt
50. Living Your Dreams and Focusing on Your Priorities. Recognizing When to Pause and When to Pivot

Working Mom Moments | Work Life Balance, Schedule, Overwhelmed Mom, Career and Kids, Mom Motivation, Mom Guilt

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 4, 2024 13:05


As a working mom, it's easy to get caught up in a whirlwind of commitments and obligations. From professional responsibilities to personal goals, we often find ourselves juggling an endless list of tasks. In the midst of the chaos, it's important to recognize the importance of pausing, reflecting, and reprioritizing. Sometimes in our careers we take a step back, while other times we take a huge leap forward. Similarly, as our children grow, we find ourselves in phases where we can lean into our career because of their independence and other times when they simply need more time and energy from us. Through it all, though, remember why you started. What was your dream? The one that gets you energized and out of bed thinking about? Don't lose sight of your dream...even if you need to hit pause for a moment. I am living proof that pause does not coincide with failure. A pause in life doesn't have to be goodbye or a pivot, it can simply be a holding place.  Thank you, truly, for letting me be part of your working mom journey this past year. It's time for me to hit pause on an area of life, to focus on others. You have been the best community and I look forward to coming back on air to connect with you in the future. Don't Quit Your Daydream. ******** For the direct links shared on this episode and previous shows, click below! Pre-order my new book: The Working Mom Blend Rent the Runway Discount Code Join my community: Working Mom Moments Facebook Group Get the latest - Email Newsletter: www.lacyjungman.com/insider  Connect with me: info@lacyjungman.com  Follow me on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lacyjungman/  If you're ready to create the work life blend you've always dreamed of, I'm here for you! Grab time on my calendar for coaching here.  _

Get Rich Education
503: How Decades of Inflation Destroyed Our Dollar, Today's Rent Trends

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later May 27, 2024 41:36


We've already had more inflation in this young 2020s decade than the entire 2010s. If the next forty years have as much inflation as the last forty, gas will cost $13.38 per gallon, the average home $1.88 million, and the average rent $59,000 annually.  Inflation impoverishes most people. You can profit from it 3 ways at the same time. Watch the free 3-part video series: GetRichEducation.com/TripleCrown.  The 30-year fixed rate mortgage is a uniquely American construct. It virtually exists nowhere else in the world. I compare this to mortgage terms in Europe, Canada and Australia.  In much of the world, homeowners have had their mortgage payments double overnight! Trends that won't soon be disrupted: more inflation, people need to live somewhere, there aren't enough places to live. That's so simple! Invest in it. Rents are increasing the most where little new supply has been added. There's a myth that gigantic institutional investors are gobbling up all the single-family rental homes. But they only own 3% of the market. Mom & pops own 80%. Single-family rents are up 3.4% per CoreLogic. Detached SFHs are up more than attached types. Property prices and rents are positively correlated. Some people falsely think that they move inversely. Resources mentioned: Profit from inflation 3 ways: GetRichEducation.com/TripleCrown For access to properties or free help with a GRE Investment Coach, start here: GREmarketplace.com Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Invest with Freedom Family Investments.  You get paid first: Text FAMILY to 66866 For advertising inquiries, visit: GetRichEducation.com/ad Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review”  Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com GRE Free Investment Coaching: GREmarketplace.com/Coach Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free— text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Complete episode transcript:   Welcome to GRE! I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. Learn how the misery of INFLATION is altering BOTH your quality of life and the return on ALL of your investments… … also, many people are now having their mortgage payments DOUBLE overnight and IT'S creating pain, then, what are the factors affecting the future direction of RENTS - all that, and more, today on Get Rich Education!  ______________   Welcome to GRE! You're listening to one of the longest-running and most listened-to shows on real estate investing. This is Get Rich Education. I'm your host, Keith Weinhold - the voice of RE since 2014.   I don't know if you fully realize how much inflation is steering all of your investments - and it's emphatic at a time like this when the dollar is down 25% cumulatively just in the last four years. Gosh!   And I've got some jaw-dropping inflation fact to share with you soon.    We'll get to inflation's RE affects shortly. But here's what I mean.    In stocks, they keep riding up on a wave of optimism, anticipating a Fed interest rate cut - largely due to future INFLATION expectations. Yes, there's jobs & GDP and some other factors.   But the stock market - which is a FORWARD-looking market - it moves based on what's expected to happen 6 to 12 months from now.    STOCK investors know that rate cuts open the floodgates to get us closer to the “easy money” days again.    That's why - as backwards as it is, the worse the economy looks, the lower that inflation tends to be, and then, in turn, the lower that interest rates can go, which the stock market likes.   So a worsening economy often pumps up the stock market. Soooo backwards.    Just look at what happens historically. Recessions sound bad. Yet what happens is that rates get cut in a recession - because the economy needs the help.    But nearer-term, it's this ongoing expectation of the rate cut - that's been looming out there for months but hasn't happened - which CAN keep propelling the stock market to higher highs. It's already hit all-time highs here recently. You can make the CASE that stocks should keep floating higher from here… based on that premise.   Before we look at real estate & inflation. Understand this.    Inflation has already widened the divide between the affluent and the deprived. That divide has gone from a gully to a canyon.   But... my gosh! Here's the stat that I want to share with you. And you're really going to get a sense for the gravity of what you're living through this decade.   We've already seen more inflation in the first 51 months of the 2020s decade than in the ENTIRE decade of the 2010s. Already.   This gets really interesting. Let's look at about the last four decades here.    Alright, in the 1990s decade, America had 34% cumulative inflation. Let's go ahead and… we'll associate this decade with President Bill Clinton.    We won't tie any President to the inflation number because there are lag effects and other factors. A President really can't take the credit or blame, in most cases. Just marking the era here.   So, 34% inflation in the 1990s.    The 2000s decade saw the GFC and… 29% inflation. Most of those were George W. Bush years.   The 2010s decade saw lower inflation → Just 19%. So that's under 2% a year. These were mostly the Obama years here in the 2010s.    Little flex there from the former Commander in Chief.   Then the 2020s decade → have seen, like I alluded to, and under Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr. - yes, as the oldest sitting president ever, it's easy to forget that he's a “junior. In this young 2020s decade, we have, 21% cumulative inflation. Already.   So this figure is after just the first 51 months of this decade, if we're counting from 2020… and this is largely due to supply shortages from the COVID pandemic.    So 21% ALREADY this decade… and just 19% ALLLL of last decade which was a full decade. That's the impact.    That's reflective of what you see in home prices and rent prices and utilities, transportation, labor, and almost every facet of your life.… and what you see in your weekly Costco bill and Trader Joe's bill.    Who have we left out here? A one-term president, so far? Does somebody feel left out.    Yes, that is the actual person of one Donald John Trump.   Psssshhh!   All of those figures I cited are from the BLS, and I've been rounding to nearest whole percent.   But get this! Inflation over the next forty years could make the LAST 40 years seem like a picnic.    That's partly because we're $35T in debt and that figure now grows by $1T every single quarter… every 90 to 100 days. So we MUST keep dollar-printing to help pay it back.   But just, if the last forty years repeats itself, by the year 2064, which is the next forty years, we'll see these prices. Prepare for a future that looks like this: Gas at $13.38 per gallon The home price at $1.88 million Average rent at $59,000 per year And the average salary at $104,000 That is if inflation over the next 40 years, looks like that last 40 years. Also, note how salaries don't keep pace with prices. That $104K average salary in the year 2064 doesn't sound as high-flying as those other figures.   Well, this is all really frustrating for consumers… and even debilitating to one's standard of living. Remember, this latest wave of inflation brought us the biggest YOY increase in homelessness - based on HUD figures.   and why you need to invest in something that reliably BENEFITS from inflation and pays you an income at the same time.    Look, here's really, the deal. Dollars are abundant. So then isn't it a paradox that a major spike in the supply of dollars would create more homelessness?   Well, you know that dollars are there for your taking - because so many more have been brought into existence. Dollars are abundant. So as they cycle through the economy, rather than going through the consumer motions, you can build your diverter. That's where the world of abundance exists, so get into that flow.   Ultimately, REAL capital is scarce. Your time and energy are scarce. Natural resources are scarce. Labor is scarce.   What's frustrating is that money ought to reflect that scarcity if it is going to accurately convey the value that enables people to make capital accumulation decisions.    And alas, we're doing our measuring in dollars and the dollar is not remotely scarce.   The middle class and poor often have wages that don't track inflation, yet they disproportionately suffer the higher consumer prices.   The investor class owns assets that float up with inflation. And GRE listeners will do even better than that.   As income property owners with mortgages, we're winning three ways at the same time with the Inflation Triple Crown. That's your dollar diverter.   Alright, so that's longer-term inflation. I've been talking in terms of decades - both the past and with an extrapolation into the future to 2064 there - and it's really rather sobering.   Well, what's the more CURRENT inflation situation? The situationship? Ha! What's the situationship now?   In trying to quiet it down to their 2% target, the Fed has run into so many hurdles that you'd think they were training for this summer's Olympics in Paris.   After it peaked over 9% two full years ago now, inflation's been bouncing near 3-and-a-half-percent for a year and they just keep having trouble getting it lower than that.   Hmmm... would we say that this could turn into Jerome Powell's three-quarters life crisis? We'll see.   Rising inflation is one of the key factors that brought down the Roman Empire. They famously experienced hyperinflation after a series of emperors lowered the silver content of their currency, called the denarius.    Today, some lament that the dollar isn't backed by gold, silver, or anything else.   But it is.   It's backed by the world's most powerful military, strongest economy, reserve currency status, international trade agreements, and you also… must pay your taxes in dollars.    Dollars are still liquid and useful… but perpetually debased, so get them and then transition out of them.    Yet, at the same time, we're also the greatest debtor nation in world history. The easiest way to pay it all back is to simply print more and inflate more.   So that's why it's almost inevitable that dollars will keep being worth less... and BTW, the two words “worth less” sound awfully close to the word “worthless”. Ha!    That's where we keep heading.   Until you can send a Venmo request to the Fed to compensate you for your loss in purchasing power, we need to actually do something about this.    And the dollar that you had when you started listening to me today could very well now only be worth 99 cents. Ha!   We can either have our standard of living degraded by inflation or we will decide to profit from it.   So, if you haven't yet, check out GetRichEducation.com/TripleCrown.   Rather than impoverish you, learn how you can make inflation CREATE wealth for you three ways at the same time with that free, 3-part Inflation Triple Crown video series. Good learning there.   It's free & easy to watch, again, at GetRichEducation.com/TripleCrown   Inflation seemingly seeps into everything.   Inflation took down the commercial sector - Apt buildings & offices. Apts are down 30-40% in the last two years. It's all because inflation made the Fed panic and jack up those rates.   If that's not jaw-dropping enough. Office values are down 80%+ in the last two years. 80%+, 90%+ in some cases.    Of course, office RE got the double-whammy of the inflation-induced interest rate hikes AND the Work-From-Anywhere movement.   That leaves residential 1-4 unit properties in good standing - and still impacted by inflation, but LESS impacted by inflation.    Yeah, your 1-4 unit RENTS are up - and I'll talk more about rent later in the show today.    inflation also jacked up your expenses like insurance, utilities, maintenance & repair cost and more.   But as we move away from the inflation conversation now, of course, one big reason that 1-4s have stayed resilient is the American privilege of LTFIRD - and the fact that it's 30 years for most US properties.   In fact, in 2022, 89% of homebuyers applied for the 30-year.   I think that you're about to get more appreciation for this… perhaps than you've ever had.   The 30-year FRM is a UNIQUELY American construct.    And, BTW, some people don't seem to know what the word “unique” means. You've probably heard people misusing this word all the time.   Unique does not mean something that's sort of different.    Unique means “ONE of a kind”. Unique means something that does not exist ANYWHERE else.    What do I do here on this show? Besides giving you the occasional geography lesson as a side dish to your real estate, I do this with vocabulary, grammar, and syntax as well, don't I?    Even though my own is surely imperfect.   Anyway, the reason that the 30-year mortgage can exist is due to our deep financial markets - especially our secondary market for mortgage-backed securities, where your loan gets packaged up and purchased by a bond investor - a bit like Ridge Lending Group President Caeli Ridge & I touched on last week.   The reason that mortgage-backed securities are attractive to investors in the U.S. and across the globe is because their government sponsorship makes them safe investments over long periods of time. They also provide a fixed payout to the MBS holder.   And see, the rate on the 30-year fixed-rate mortgage tracks closely to 10-year Treasurys because “U.S. real estate is almost as good an investment as a U.S. Treasury bond.”   They've got Fannie & Freddie insurance.   And that entire MBS process now has more guardrails in it than we had before the Global Financial Crisis.   We're talking about the foundation here - really - of where you get your big lumps of money from - the 30-year FRM and its uniqueness.   Compared to the world, the US has very little variable rate debt.    Less than 4% of American mortgage borrowers have debt that's on rate terms of a year or less. Over 96% of US debt is LTFRD, defined as 10 years or more.   That is virtually unparalleled worldwide. To compare us to some other developed nations, mortgage borrowers in Germany - just 47% of them have long-term fixed debt - and none of them can get 30-year debt.   Long-term debt, again, defined as ten years or more,  Is little to ZILCH for mortgage borrowers in Canada, the UK, Ireland, Italy, Sweden, Finland, Australia, and other developed nations like them.   In Canada, the most common mortgage terms reset to the prevailing market interest rate every five years.    In Finland, their mortgages reset annually or faster. Gosh, can you imagine if your mortgage rate reset every year like it does for the Finns?   Sheesh, that's more often than some people lose the remote control or rearrange their furniture.   OK. So what's this really mean?   Ya gotta… pour one out for most mortgage borrowers in the rest of the world.   They can't lock in their mortgage interest rate for the long-term. So with rates doubling or tripling, starting from 3 years ago, it's totally ruined a lot of foreign homeowners.   Look, what if you're middle class and your monthly mortgage payment soars from $1,893 on Tuesday up to $3,415 on Wednesday?   That's what's happening elsewhere. It can go up 50% overnight and nearly double overnight in Australia, Europe and elsewhere.   But in the mortgage-advantaged US, we're safe.   If we buy at an 8% mortgage rate on a 30-year fixed amortizing loan today—just the plain, vanilla loan: If rates rise to 10% later, you're happy to be locked-in at 8% If rates fall to 6% later, you'll refinance Note that I refrain from saying "just refinance". I don't like the word "just". You'll still need hours to provide documentation and your credit score will be checked. But it's worth it.   You won't “just refinance”. Ha! You'll refinance.   So think of it this way then, you can alter your deal with the bank whenever you want—and usually with no prepayment penalty. Yet the bank can't alter it on you.   What did Darth Vader say to Lando Calrissian in the “Empire Strikes Back?”. I am altering the deal, pray that I don't alter it any further.    Ha! We better not play that clip here. I don't know the copyright laws with LucasFilm or Disney there. Ha!   But you're not a dark lord of the Sith for doing it… for altering the deal on the bank. You're playing within the rules.    This is almost an unfair advantage for Americans.   The bottom line here - with this unique American advantage, is that, as rates change, you get to play both sides of the game. And that's why we add smart properties with loans.    We turn that into wealth, with compound LEVERAGE.    Now, mere compound interest, that's a vehicle for you to rely on more for your shorter-term funds, your cash or what you're keeping more liquid.   Long-term wealth is build through compound LEVERAGE.   Short-term funds - that's for compound INTEREST.   And… your bank is getting rich off of YOU. The national average bank account pays less than 1% on your savings. If your money isn't making about 4-5% today, you're losing your hard-earned cash to inflation.  What I do, is keep my dollars in a private LIQUIDITY FUND. You can do this too. Your cash generates up to an 8% return with—COMPOUND INTEREST—year in and year out instead of earning less than 1% sitting in your bank account - or even 4-5% elsewhere. The minimum investment is just $25K. You keep getting paid until you decide you want your money back. This private LIQUIDITY FUND has a decade-plus track record - and they've always paid their investors 100% in full and on time. I would know… because, I'm an investor with them myself. See what it feels like to earn 8%. A lot of other GRE listeners are. To learn more, just text the word FAMILY to 66866 to learn more about Freedom Family Investments' LIQUIDITY FUND. Get 8% interest! Just do it right now, while you're thinking about it. Text FAMILY to 66866.   More straight ahead, including what's happening with rents. I'm Keith Weinhold. You're listening to Get Rich Education. _____________   Welcome back… you're listening to Episode 503 of Get Rich Education. I'm your host, Keith Weinhold.   We've got a poll result, from our Get Rich Education Instagram Page.    The poll question was simple. “When buying property, what's more important?”    The purchase price or the mortgage rate.   71% of you said the purchase price. 29% of you said the mortgage rate.    Of course, both are important, but I think that the PURCHASE PRICE is the best answer - because your purchase price stays fixed for the life of your ownership period, and you can CHANGE your fixed mortgage rate and make it malleable… whenever it suits your needs.   As we talk about where the OPPORTUNITY is today, though multifamily apartments are going to bottom out sometime and therefore, at some point, they'll make a wise investment - who REALLY knows - maybe the time for larger apartments is now…   … one opportunity is… giving good people OPTIONS during a housing affordability crisis.   And what's going on right now is that… let me put it this way… when people have a hard time affording their own home today, basically (ha!) people are having a hard time transitioning from resenting their landlord to bickering with an HOA.    Ha! That's kind of how the world works.   Seemingly everyone would rather be bickering with an HOA rather than resenting their landlord.    A lot of renters want to be buyers… they can't… and that isn't expected to change anytime soon… as prices will likely stay elevated… and mortgage rates are staying higher, longer too.   These things are ALMOST “knowns”. It's often wise… to invest in trends that are known. Nothing's completely predictable, but when you're looking for a place to park your investment dollars, a few other things… are known… right now.   And AI is not expected to change what I'm about to tell you… anytime soon.   VR - virtual reality is not about to change what I'm about to tell you anytime soon.   AR - augmented reality isn't either. Machine learning won't imminently disrupt this.   And that is, that… everyone expects more long-term inflation. At what rate, no one knows.   People will need to live somewhere… and there are not enough places to live.   Those three facts, right there, are so simple. I love simple. Ha! One reason I love simple things is that I can remember it.    So many investors - investors in all types of things, say, from tech EFTs to junior mining stocks to crypto - you can make money there.   But, at times, investors will unnecessarily go out on the risk curve and GUESS and speculate… at a future trend.    Some are right. They're often wrong, and adopting too much of that approach… that's exactly when your risk-adjusted return goes down throughout your investor life.   Instead, you can get great returns - real estate pays 5 ways-type of returns - in these trends that I just described that are near certainties.   Why guess? When instead, you can almost be certain.   Often times, the certain thing is right… there.    It's often easier, like I think I brought up on the show once before, inspired by Jeff Bezos - don't ask what will change in 10 years.    The more insightful question and profitable question that fewer people think to ask is actually - “What will be the SAME in ten years?”   Well, when we talk about rents and the fact that tenants WILL keep paying you to live somewhere ten years from now, the trend that's taking place here in the mid-20s decade - here in the mid 2020s, is that… Rents are increasing the most where there hasn't been enough new supply added - up 5-6% in parts of the Northeast including New York and Boston - Seattle too… and parts of the Midwest. Detroit and Honolulu rents are each up about 5%.   Rents are decreasing the least, and even declined - where they've added lots of new supply recently, like Austin, Texas and Miami, where they're down 3% or more in each. New Orleans is another major city that's down - at minus 1%.    But among the larger cities, Austin, Texas is the WORST performer in the nation right now.   If you're listening to this either this week or you're listening to this ten years from today, if you want to know future rent trends, look at where they're adding supply.   Especially in apartments. But all these new apartments will fill up and nationally, they're building fewer apartments this year than last year's apartment-building boom.   When we talk about rents and who owns SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, there are a few myths that I want to help bust for you here.   There seems to be this misconception or misinformation that GIANT Wall Street firms are buying up all the SFRs. That's just not true.    Now, there is more participation from the big firms than there has been historically, but those that own 1 to 9 SFRs… which is our definition of mom & pop investors here… constitute 80% of the SFR market.   80% own one to nine units. Now, you might own more than 9.    In fact, 14% are in that next tier up, owning 10 to 99 SFRs. Then 3% - known as small national investors own between a hundred and a thousand.   And, what's left, the big institutional investors - those that own 1,000+ SFRs - and you've heard of some of these companies - Invitation Homes, and another is American Homes 4 Rent.    Progress Residential, Blackstone, First Key Homes  - all those big players own just 3% of the market.   So again, 80% are the small ones - the mom & pops… a highly fractured market.   There are a total of 82 million SFHs in the United States. Out of all of them, do you have any idea what percent are OOed and how many are rentals?   It's 83% OOed and 17% of the single-families are rentals. So about one-sixth of SFHs are rented out.   Now, here's the thing. Some people tend to think of mom and pop single-family rental operators as unsophisticated charity case workers who never raise rents.    That's part of the perception out there.    But that narrative has never really been true, and, in fact, the COO of American Homes 4 Rent - his name's Bryan Smith - recently brought up this key point on their recent earnings call.   He said that while historically mom and pops hadn't always priced directly to market because of a lack of market data, "they've migrated into a strategy that's closer to ours."   How is this and why is this? Anymore, why ARE mom & pops raising rents just about as aggressively as the big institutional players.    It's really increased transparency on the rents that landlords are asking… through internet listing sites like Zillow.    It's not that mom and pops didn't increase rents before. (I mean… just look at what happened with rising rents in the 1970s and 80s before institutions were in the sector.)    But when there's a lack of rent amount transparency, it takes longer for operators to discover and adjust to market pricing-- especially for smaller players in a deeply fragmented market.    That's the part that's changing.   But see, increased transparency works both ways. It's good for you and bad for you as a property investor.   This information helps tenants too. In upswing markets, operators may push rents faster than they would otherwise.    But in a downswing market, operators may cut or keep rents flat faster in order to lease the unit.    Because tenants can easily see what other LLs are charging and compare features. When you price too high, units sit vacant and generate no income.   Since renters benefit from increased transparency too, if they see two similar homes, they're usually picking the better deal.   And increased transparency is why NEW lease rent growth is cooling off.    In fact, CoreLogic just released their latest SF Rent Index report last week. It showed that, nationally rents are up 3.4%, which coincidentally, happens to be the same as the latest CPI inflation number.   Detached properties are seeing more rent growth than ATTACHED ones - like townhomes. If you think about it, that makes sense. Townhomes are in less demand now.   Because the homeownership dream, is when one moves out of the apartment & buys a detached house.    And since that's so unaffordable to buy here in the 2020s decade, that's why more people are willing to pay more for to rent the detached type.   Note that SFR rent growth has moderated since mortgage rates spiked-- further dispelling the sticky myth that rents boom when home sales fall.   Remember - when homes price growth is really hot - like it was in 2021 and 2022 - near 15% - rent growth tends to be hot too. It was ALSO near 15%.   And when home price growth is moderate, like it is now, well, rent price growth is moderate too.   Prices and rents move together. They're POSITIVELY correlated. Some people think they move inversely… and we're looking at history over hunches again - what REALLY happens here.   So though you're almost certainly going to get nominal rent growth over time, it's not a good thing for you to count on it in the short-term - it NEVER is, in any era.   The time for you to push rents is, of course, in any market, when you go for NEW leases. A new lease with a new tenant is going to be higher than a renewal lease.   It's the ol' - this has been a good tenant for three years, so I don't want to push the rent too hard & lose them.    To review what you've learned today, inflation is affecting ALL of your investments, 30-year FRMs are a UNIQUE American advantage…   …it's wise to invest in future trends that are KNOWN, if you want to know what is going to happen with rents in the near future, look where they've added supply.    Less new supply correlates with more rent growth… and large institutional investors own just 3% of SFRs.    If you enjoy the show, please, tell a friend about it.   Isaiah on LI had the most flattering comment. Over there, he wrote and called GRE “The best podcast on the planet.”    I… really don't think that I can take credit for that, though… I'd like to think we're a good resource for building your wealth through REI and regularly informing you, giving you ideas that you've never thought about before that add real value to your life.   You've heard of Bidenomics. The first portmanteau type that I ever heard about a President's economic policies is REAGANomics, though it was a little before my time.    Here on the show next week, with us, will be none other than “The Father of Reaganomics”.    Yes, late President RONALD REAGAN'S Budget Director will be here next week. Basically, he was Reagan's “Money Guy”.    His name is David Stockman and he often met with the President in the Oval Office, advising Reagan on economic affairs.   I have asked David Stockman, if besides talking about the condition of today's economy next week, he'll also discuss real estate - and he agreed to do so.    That's “The Father of Reaganomics”. You can look forward to he & I together next week here on the show.   You might be one of the listeners that's been here every single week since 2014 - just like I've been here for you.     A new podcast is published every Monday. If you want more our DQYD E-mail Letter is published and sent about weekly, that's typically been on Thursdays lately. Then, there are many new videos published each month over on our Get Rich Education YouTube Channel. Those are the main three places that you can find us.   Until next week, if you enjoy listening, I really appreciate if you would told a friend about the Get Rich Education Podcast.    Until then, I'm your host, KW. Don't Quit Your Daydream!

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500: All You Ever Have is Now—Always

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Play Episode Listen Later May 6, 2024 39:21


Become a time billionaire. In this episode of the Get Rich Education podcast, host Keith Weinhold explores the significance of living an extraordinary life, emphasizing the importance of time management and the value of time.  You are here today, gone tomorrow. Gain new perspective on life and death. The show promotes strategies for achieving financial freedom through real estate investing.  A hypothetical scenario examines the potential impact of eternal life on Earth's resources, prompting listeners to consider the implications of unlimited population growth.  The episode offers a blend of motivational content and practical wealth-building advice, with a side of philosophical musing on the nature of time and life's finitude. We listen in to Neil deGrasse Tyson's “Life and Death: A Cosmic Perspective”. Resources mentioned: For access to properties or free help with a GRE Investment Coach, start here: GREmarketplace.com Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Invest with Freedom Family Investments.  You get paid first: Text FAMILY to 66866 For advertising inquiries, visit: GetRichEducation.com/ad Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review”  Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com GRE Free Investment Coaching: GREmarketplace.com/Coach Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free— text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Complete episode transcript:   Welcome to GRE! I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. You need to become financially-free so that you have… time to be present and live in the “now”.    You are here today and gone tomorrow. There's not much time to leave your dent in the universe. All that you ever have is now - and that's how it will always be. Today, on Episode 500 of Get Rich Education.   Welcome in… to Get Rich Education. I'm your host, Keith Weinhold.   At times, people tell me something like: “Look at what you're doing. You live an extraordinary life.”    Now, I might reply to that person with something like - “Thanks. I appreciate it. I like to get out and see the world.”   But do you know what's really going on inside my head when someone tells me that I live an extraordinary life?    I'm really thinking, “Well, of course, I do. Don't you? You design your life: So why would you choose anything… else or anything… less… than an extraordinary life?”    Esp. in this world of abundance that we all live in. That's why you have zero reason to live any life that's LESS than extraordinary - if that's what you want.”   Investing for income now is a tool for freedom.   When you're no longer trading your time chiefly for dollars, that's when you can stop living a disembodied existence - when you're living such that your mind and your body are in two different places.    Begin to own your time and truly be yourself.   You need time.   And you don't have much time. That's why, in my experience, it's better to err on the side of being too early over being too late.    Are you truly living… or are you only existing in space and time? I think that deep down… you know. Ask yourself. You already know the answer.   Remember, Episode 1 of this very show is called: “Your Abundance Mindset.”   But if you're thinking in LIMITING ways, here's the good news - the really good news for you.   You don't have to believe everything that you think.    The good news is that… you were born rich. You were born with an abundance of choices. Society stifled that.    You don't have to believe… everything that you think.    Since there's never a "perfect time" to build financial freedom, your conception that it's too early is often just your fear.    As long as you've got a few touchpoints, once you dive in, you'll figure it out.   Old people tend to regret the things they didn't do, or didn't do earlier—not the things they did.   The best reason for becoming financially-free is so that you can buy time and finally start to be yourself.   If you don't want to do it for yourself, do it for someone you love… because there's someone in this world that needs you to be... you.   Since all that you'll ever have is “now”, you need residual income to buy time so that you can spend more of your life present in the “now”.   Now, if you were to ask yourself, what made the most successful leaders in the world successful, was it the capital they had, their technology, the people they knew, or their mindset? Which one of those things was it?   It's their mindset.   See, because if you took away the capital, technology, or friendships from Jeff Bezos or Steve Jobs or Mahatma Ghandi or MLK - whoever you want to use as your leader.   If you took away those elements but they retained their mindset, they would most likely go on to regain everything they've got.   That's why you must deeply explore and consider, what mindset do you have, where did you get your mindset, and what mindset do you need for the decades ahead?   Did you get it from… your parents? If so, I'm sorry to say, that's usually a red flag… and that's where most of us get our mindset from.    But most people never learn differently.   Realize this - and this is a little hard to say. But the truth is hard.    Your parents don't want your success. Isn't that ironic? Your very own parents don't want your success; they want your safety.    They want you to have a stable, safe, say, accounting job, in a cubicle that only gives you two weeks of vacation a year - because it's KNOWN and average.   A ship in harbor is safe; but that's not why ships are built. Some safety is OK. But you weren't built to live a life CENTERED on safety either.   That's not even approaching living your dreams or doing anything ‘extraordinary'.   Most people aren't living their dreams. They're living their fears.   When your parents had you at birth - in the hospital delivery room - they'd be thrilled to know that you'd grow up to live your DREAMS. But on the day-to-day, they've got you living your fears.    Once your parents got “newborn you” home from the hospital, all the way up to adulthood, an overly fragile safety mindset often becomes pervasive… and it stifles dreams.   If you don't take a chance, you don't have a chance. Take the risk or lose the chance.   Don't live below your means; grow your means. It's in your genes… though that probably wasn't part of the mindset of your formative years.   I love my parents. They cultivated the right environment for me. But you'll often find an overabundance of safety from yours - especially from your mother.   Eckhart Tolle said: “Most humans are never fully present in the now, because unconsciously they believe that the next moment must be more important than this one. But then you miss your whole life, which is never not now. That's Tolle.   Alright. But once you've made time, what's next? It's how you arrange your priorities.    We think it's about time management - and it STARTS THERE.    True achievers in life make large blocks of uninterrupted time - notifications off, phone one room away.   But more specifically, it's about your priority management.   For me, I know that I'm going to be living in this same body 50 years from today - just like you will inside yours, so I make FITNESS a priority in life - often at the expense of investing & business opportunity.    That's my take - it doesn't have to be your take. That's an example of priority management.   First, you've got to play a game worth winning. It's been said that one question to establish focus is, ask yourself: Are you hunting antelope or field mice? This… idea is simple (but supremely powerful): A lion is capable of hunting field mice, but the prize wouldn't be sufficient reward for the energy required to do so.  Instead, the lion must focus on the antelope, which does require considerable energy to hunt, but provide a sufficient reward. In whatever you are pursuing, are you hunting antelope or field mice? Are you focusing on the big, weighty, important tasks that will provide sufficient reward for your energy?  Or are you burning calories chasing the tiny wins that won't move the needle? Ask yourself this question from time and time and use your answer to reset as necessary. Always hunt antelope! When it comes to priority management…   … you've got to make time for yourself and create better “nows” for yourself beyond the mandatory loads that you're already encumbered with.    Because you'll still have meal planning, grocery shopping, doctor's appointments, housekeeping, scheduling, meeting, driving…   There's not much leftover discretionary time left over to make you the you that you need to be - whether you're trying to be the best equestrian rider that you can be because you connect with horses…   …you're trying to be the greatest PARENT ever, cleaning up a beloved local creek, coaching your kid's sports team… or maybe you'll move heaven & earth to write that book that you just KNOW that you have inside of you. Get it out there!   But instead, people rationalize away their low quality of life.   If you're working for the weekend, examine your M-F. You're not living in the “now”. If you call Wednesday “hump day”, you're not living in the now.    The good guys are BRAVE enough to risk investment, commitment, marriage, being vulnerable to family members, and all those things that make the non-doers and bad guys envious. Be brave enough to study and then risk boldly.   This is sad. You've probably heard of stats like this before - a Pew survey from last year found that 46% of US workers who receive paid time off from their employer take less time than they're offered. Almost half!   People rationalize away their low quality of life - actually defending living a small, scared, too-safe life.   If you need a push to fire up Google Flights, consider that you will be happier because of it.  That's what the science says: researchers from the Netherlands found that the biggest boost in happiness around vacations came from the simple act of planning one. Then you get to anticipate it. How important is it to build a residual income rather than work more hours? Is working more and working late the answer?   Understand… that twenty years from now, the only people who'll remember if you worked late are your kids.   Instead, become a time billionaire. Let's lean into this and look at what some others say.   Graham Duncan proposed the concept of the Time Billionaire. If you've got a billion seconds worth of wealth, that's 31 years. He said that:   "A million seconds is 11 days. A billion seconds is 31 YEARS… I feel like in our culture, we're almost obsessed, as a culture, with money.  And we deify dollar billionaires in a way...And I was thinking of time billionaires that when I see, sometimes, 20-year-olds—the thought I had was they probably have two billion seconds left.  But they aren't relating to themselves as time billionaires."  That's what Graham Duncan said. The central point here… is that TIME is our most precious asset. No one ever posts pictures of napping on the sofa on social media. But if you're a time billionaire - you might consider that an ostentatious display of time wealth. Ha! When you're young, you are RICH with time. At age 20, you probably have about two billion seconds left (assuming you live to 80). By 50, just one billion seconds remain. But as Graham Duncan pointed out, we don't relate to ourselves as the "Time Billionaires" that we really are. Most of us fail to realize the value of this asset until it is… gone. In his passage called On the Shortness of Life, the stoic philosopher, Seneca, says, "We are not given a short life but we make it short, and we are not ill-supplied but wasteful of it." That's Seneca. To me, being a “Time Billionaire” isn't necessarily about having the actual time, but about the awareness of the precious nature of the time you do have.  It's about embracing the shortness of life and finding joy in ordinary daily moments of beauty. Let me introduce the “Surfer Mentality”. Yeah, the surfer mentality. When a surfer gets up on a wave, they enjoy the present moment, even though they know with certainty that the wave will eventually end.  They fully enjoy THIS wave, with the wisdom and awareness that there are always more waves coming. There are five ways that you can apply this “Surfer Mentality” and have this awareness in your life: (1) enjoy your next wave and embrace the present moment, (2) be strategic about your positioning in between waves, (3) PASS on more waves rather than jumping at the first one that comes your way, (4) always get in the water and stop sitting on the shore, and (5) roll with the punches that life deals you. That's the “Surfer Mentality” Do not become an ostrich. An ostrich will bury its head in the sand to avoid danger. A lot of humans behave the same way when they encounter new information that challenges their existing beliefs or views.    An ostrich cares more about being right than finding the truth. Do not become an ostrich, embrace new information that forces you to change your mind. That, right there, is growth.   A great, actionable way for you to GROW with the time you've created and the priorities that you've outlined is to Do something new that scares you. This is EXACTLY what you did as a kid but that you forgot how to do.    For example, when you were age 11, you swam in water over your head for the first time. It made you rise up, grow, and gain confidence. I can't tell you what grows inside you psychologically, but…   We're operating 200,000 year-old mental software. That's when the modern human brain came into existence.    Our primordial brains are evolutionarily wired to see problems - to detect threats like lions & tigers - and our body still responds to those threats like they are lions.   And today, we don't have to look very hard to find those problems. Just turn on the news or scroll social media and there they are.   And in this environment, it can be easy to let ourselves be yanked around by our circumstances.   When it comes to OTHERS - peers, family, and friends along your life journey…   You have to be strict with yourself but tolerant of others.    That's what the stoic Marcus Aurelius wrote about in his meditations. He has these exacting high standards.    Most people don't have the self-discipline that you do… and it's called SELF-discipline for a reason.    It's not a thing that you get to project onto other people. You don't get to go around insisting that other people follow YOUR standards and your code.    You have to be encouraging and forgiving of other people because they don't have the gift that you have. They don't own the drive that you have. There's even a saying in ancient Rome.    “We can't all be Catos.” If you remember from history, Cato was the influential leader that championed Roman virtues during THEIR empire.   We have to be tolerant, and accepting and encouraging of other people. If this realization is still frustrating to you…   Another way that you can think of this, is that others never signed up to the code and standards that you have.”    Money is a tool for freedom. The best reason to accumulate wealth is to buy yourself freedom from anything you don't want to do, and the freedom to do the things you do want to do. Money is not an end in itself. If you sit on it and never use it, you've wasted your life.    Money CAN absolutely buy happiness. But only so long as you spend it on upgrading and expanding the things that make you happy or in buying time, instead of using it to play status games or on fleeting experiences.    Increase the difficulty. If you're listening to this, then your life is (probably) already on easy mode compared to the global and historical standard. You need to strategically introduce some challenges to keep yourself motivated. Don't ruin yourself, but don't let yourself get too complacent, either.    Investing involves risk. You're going to lose sometimes. The good news is that you don't have to make money back in the same PLACE where you lost it.    If something in your business or life is losing money, you don't have to plug the hole right there at that spot. Often it's easier to make the money back elsewhere.    It's never the right time. Any time you catch yourself saying “oh it'll be a better time later,” you're probably just scared. Or unclear on what to do. There is never a right time for the big things in life: having kids, changing jobs, breaking up, getting engaged, or buying the property.    Err on the side of too early over too late. Related to that point, since there's never a “perfect time,” it's almost always better to do things “too early.” Your conception that it's too early is just your fear, and once you dive in you'll figure it out. Old people tend to regret the things they didn't do, or didn't do earlier. Not the things they did. Bad things happen fast, and good things happen slowly. This is one reason why bad news seems more newsworthy - but it's not actually more important. It's hard-wired within you that money is a scarce resource.  Don't be afraid to commit. You've got to let go of fear about tomorrow and just get on with it.    Uncertainty is a PERPETUAL condition - it's existed in your entire past, and will in your entire future. That's why you feel uncertainty in the present too. Uncertainty only disappears when you die.   We all want to know the future. But the truth is, it's easier to make decisions within your certainty of NOW rather than postpone & speculate about your perpetually uncertain future.   “Life is meant to be lived, not postponed.” Don't get so caught up trying to make a living that you forget to live a life. That's not a life well-lived.   Regretting past decisions is an utter waste of energy. Does the past exist now separate from your own thoughts? Nope… it doesn't even exist.    Coming up - you'll hear ANOTHER voice with a more COSMIC perspective about life and the power of “now” - it includes some sound effects to anticipate.  Then I'll come back in for today's conclusion. I'm Keith Weinhold. It's Episode 500 of Get Rich Education.    LISTEN: Neil Degrasse Tyson: Life and Death - A Cosmic Perspective   That's Neil DeGrasse Tyson on the significance of life, death, and the power of “now”.   Horace Mann said, "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."   Life feels ordinary. But in fact, it's incredible that you overcame tremendous odds to have your… one… precious life.   In order to be born, you needed: 2 parents 4 grandparents 8 great-grandparents 16 second great-grandparents You needed 32 third great-grandparents 64 fourth great-grandparents 128 fifth great-grandparents 256 sixth great-grandparents To be born, you needed 512 seventh great-grandparents 1,024 eighth great-grandparents and 2,048 ninth great-grandparents For you to be born today from 12 previous generations, you needed a total sum of 4,094 ancestors over the last 400 years. Think about what they overcame… to produce you – How many struggles did they have? How many battles? How many difficulties? How much sadness did THEY have?  How much happiness? How many love stories created you? How many expressions of hope for the future? – did your ancestors have to undergo for you to exist in this present moment… The past is history, the future is a mystery, and this moment is a gift. That's why they call this gift, “the present”.   Spend your time where time disappears. Your work should feel like play… your passions should feel like flow… with people that make hours feel like minutes.    The more present you are, the quicker the present goes. That's the paradox.    A full life goes fast. But in the end, time that flies… is time well spent. And a life that flies by… is a life well spent.    At least here on Earth, all you've got is one life and one shot.   You shouldn't fear death. You should fear a life where you could have accomplished more that fulfills your potential and aligns with your soul.   You're here today and gone tomorrow. You've got NOW to go leave your dent in the universe.   There's no time to wait. You now have less time remaining in your life than when you started listening to me today.   All that you ever have is now - always. Don't Quit Your Daydream!

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495: How Recessions Impact Real Estate with Rick Sharga

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Play Episode Listen Later Apr 1, 2024 44:15


Get our free real estate course and newsletter: GRE Letter Our core formula here at GRE is simple, buy-and-hold real estate. Then where does your profit come from? I explain. Where will your next tenant come from? Essentially, market intelligence analyst Rick Sharga & I answer this today. We explore job growth, wage growth, and the condition of today's consumer / tenant.  Rick Sharga doesn't believe that mortgage rates will fall substantially until the Fed Funds Rate does. This isn't likely to happen until at least June. Consumers are exhibiting some distress signals. Credit card debt has swelled. We break it down. Many economic indicators still show that they'll still be an economic slowdown.  In most recessions, home sales and home prices both rise. Resources mentioned: Show Page: GetRichEducation.com/495 Inquire about business with Rick: CJPatrick.com Rick Sharga on X: @ricksharga LinkedIn: Rick Sharga For access to properties or free help with a GRE Investment Coach, start here: GREmarketplace.com Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Invest with Freedom Family Investments.  You get paid first: Text FAMILY to 66866 Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review”  Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com GRE Free Investment Coaching: GREmarketplace.com/Coach Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free— text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Complete episode transcript:   Keith Weinhold (00:00:00) - Welcome to gray. I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. We aren't fooling around on April Fool's Day. How can you be assured of having rent paying tenants in the future? That's dictated by the economy, job growth and real wage growth above inflation. Well, how exactly does all that relate to the housing market? We break it down today with an expert guest on Get Rich Education. When you want the best real estate and finance info, the modern internet experience limits your free articles access, and it's replete with paywalls. And you've got pop ups and push notifications and cookies. Disclaimers are. At no other time in history has it been more vital to place nice, clean, free content into your hands that actually adds no hype value to your life? See, this is the golden age of quality newsletters, and I write every word of ours myself. It's got a dash of humor and it's to the point to get the letter. It couldn't be more simple. Text GRE to 66866. And when you start the free newsletter, you'll also get my one hour fast real estate course completely free.   Keith Weinhold (00:01:16) - It's called the Don't Quit Your Daydream letter and it wires your mind for wealth. Make sure you read it. Text GRE to 66866. Text GRE to 66866.   Corey Coates (00:01:33) - You're listening to the show that has created more financial freedom than nearly any show in the world. This is get rich education.   Keith Weinhold (00:01:49) - What category? You're listening to one of America's longest running in most listened to shows on real estate investing, the Voice of Real Estate since 2014. This is get rich education. I'm your host. My name is Keith Weinhold, and you probably know that by now. But what we never truly know is the direction of the economy and how it shapes the housing market. Well, an expert and I are putting our heads together for you today to give you the best indication that we possibly can. I'll be with us shortly. And he is coming, armed with all of his best indicators and statistics. Last week here on the show, I got somewhat philosophical with you at times when I posited the question, do you want to retire? And I helped answer the question, what is retirement today anyway? I had a lot of good feedback on that show, but today we're talking about more concrete indicators with some numbers.   Keith Weinhold (00:02:50) - For example, historically in a recession, what really happens to real estate prices? We're going to answer that and more questions like it today. Now, I like to say that wealthy people's money either starts out in real estate or ends up in real estate, but there are so many ways to do it, so many ways to do real estate right? Hence so many ways to do it wrong as well. Our formula that we use here at GRE more than any other, is something we use because it is so simple that I think some people overlook it. It is buy and hold. Yeah, mostly long term buy and hold residential rentals. Now, we sure talk about some other things too, but that's really a cheap formula, something that we focused on since day one here. Now there surely can be some other good strategies as long as you execute, right? Flipping, wholesaling, Oreos, the birth strategy, self-storage units, RV parks and a lot more. But with buy and hold, I think some people know the real estate.   Keith Weinhold (00:03:58) - They might then ask, well, well where's your margin on that? Where does your profit come from if you just buy and hold? Or they might even think that that strategy is really slow and a 40 year game plan. Well, then they learn about the five ways and that changes that. It's largely about buying strategically and then managing your manager. I think most people dream of a life where they can just spend their time remotely managing their investments here and there. Now, for me, most months, I don't have anything to do with managing a property manager in a certain market. I just get the cash flow and then I do browse the monthly property statement. Some months had only been do that because from the amount of cash flow received, I can often see that nothing really went wrong for the month because from the amount of cash flow received, I can often see that nothing really went wrong for the month. Tax benefits as one of the five ways you're paid. That takes some management to and you know this tax time of year with my bookkeeper.   Keith Weinhold (00:05:11) - At times she emails me and asks me for this and that scrap of information. The mindset that helped me manage all the generous tax benefits of real estate is not taking my bookkeepers questions as an occasional annoyance, but rather taking the mindset of tax benefits or something that you can manage throughout the year. And that way when my bookkeeper goes an entire month without asking me for something, it can feel like a short break. Sort of like something was turned off for a month. And hey, first world problems, right? Downloading a document and emailing it to your bookkeeper ten minutes a month., today is also talking about where your next tenant is coming from, which really, at the end of the day, is what a real estate economics discussion is about. Well, it's also about giving tenants the housing that they want, meeting their desired lifestyle and the set of amenities that are both going to attract your renter in the first place and then retain your renter over the long term every year. Building,, the property management software company, they ask thousands of renters which amenities and property layouts would motivate them to choose one rental property over another.   Keith Weinhold (00:06:33) - That's what they're asking tenants. And what you imagine that renters might want could be different from the reality. For years now, renters are prioritizing their neighborhood quality. In the amenities that are actually inside the rental unit. Those things are more important than they are the shared community amenities like a pool, lobby, clubhouse or gym. Renters are gravitating toward neighborhoods that are safe and quiet, but yet are still convenient to stores and restaurants. And that led to half of the renters surveyed to rental properties that are located in the suburbs. Now, when it comes to the amenities within their rental unit that they're prioritizing, renters want a space with kind of all those comforts of home air conditioning and a washer and dryer to the option to own a pet. And these are the feature types of single family rentals, although some newer apartments can meet that too. And some condos community amenities. Then like a fitness center or a pool. I mean, they still hold some appeal to residents in these surveys, but lately they're seen more merely as perks instead of necessities for today's cost conscious renters.   Keith Weinhold (00:07:55) - So the bottom line here with this survey is that it's what's actually inside the unit that's become more important. And maybe that's a little too bad as people tend to get less social. They're using community areas less, they're prioritizing them less. And hey, maybe they just want to lie on the sofa and scroll their phone in a nice, comfortable place. Hey, you've got a suit and fit the world as it is, not as the way that you wanted to be, at least when you're providing others with housing. Hey, coming up here both on the show and on our YouTube channel, why do Western US homes cost more than eastern US homes on average? This seems geographically paradoxical. It feels backwards to a lot of people, because almost two thirds of the United States lives east of the Mississippi River, and yet that area comprises just over one third of all the land. You've got almost two thirds of people living on just over one third of all the land in the East. So to some more people on less area, oh, that would have to mean that eastern home prices are more costly.   Keith Weinhold (00:09:09) - No, it is exactly the opposite. In fact, coming up on a future show, I'll share eight plus reasons why. This is why Western US homes cost more than eastern ones. And this is also why many of the best cash flow markets, they tend to be in the eastern half of the US. They have those lower purchase prices also coming up in the future. I'm about to have a talk. This talk isn't going to be on the show here, but a talk with a conventional financial advisor about my own personal retirement. I've got an appointment with this person and this ought to be interesting. We'll see what he says about my situation. I'll try not to lecture him on how financially free beats debt free or anything like that. We'll see if I can hold off doing that. And if that meeting produces some interesting takeaways or just humorous ones, I'm going to share that with you in the future. And if you want to be sure to hear those upcoming episodes on subjects like that, I invite you to follow the show here on your favorite podcast.   Keith Weinhold (00:10:17) - And that way you won't miss any upcoming episodes. I only met today's guest about two years ago. We enjoyed that conversation and now we collaborate regularly. He helps provide crucial market updates that straight ahead. I'm Keith Reinhold, you're listening to episode 495 of get Rich education. You know, I'll just tell you, for the most passive part of my real estate investing, personally, I put my own dollars with Freedom Family Investments because their funds pay me a stream of regular cash flow in returns, or better than a bank savings account up to 12%. Their minimums are as low as 25 K. You don't even need to be accredited for some of them. It's all backed by real estate. And I kind of love how the tax benefit of doing this can offset capital gains and your W-2 jobs income. And they've always given me exactly their stated return paid on time. So it's steady income, no surprises while I'm sleeping or just doing the things I love. 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You are going to get a fantastic real estate market update today, and you'll also learn lessons if you're consuming this 5 or 10 years from now. Our expert guest has been the executive VP of markets. Some of America's leading housing intelligence firms named it national lists of most influential real estate leaders. He's frequently quoted on real estate, mortgage and foreclosure markets, too.   Keith Weinhold (00:12:59) - He runs the real estate market intelligence firm, the C.J. Patrick Company. Hey, welcome back to Great Rick Saga. Always a pleasure to spend some time with you, Keith. Thank you for having me. Oh, same here, because, Rick, you've been with us here every six months for about two years now. You and I discussed the condition of the overall economy as well as the real estate market. I think of both of those as resilient today. Now, back when I was a new real estate investor, Rick, I didn't know to look at the broad economy at all. I was more concerned with if, say, on a vacant unit that I had, I had the drywall texture just right to try to attract a new tenant ASAP. Now that surely matters. But time gave me the perspective to know that what matters more is to have a local stable of tenants that are capable of paying the rent, and that's what matters more. So with that in mind, where would you like to begin? That's great counsel.   Keith Weinhold (00:14:03) - And it's really important for investors or even somebody looking to buy a house, understand what's going on economically, both across the country and in their region. So why don't we start by taking a look at what's going on in the economy? There's been a lot of conversation about potential recession. We can talk a bit about that, but if you're good to go, we'll start by just sharing some information about the US economy and some of the trends that we're seeing. Yeah, let's go ahead and do that. And yes, that dreaded our word may very well come up. That thing that we've all been waiting for but has never happened. Don't count your chickens just yet. But let's see what's going on. Because on average, recessions do happen every five years. It's just a normal part of the business cycle. Yeah, that's important to keep in context. I'm glad you brought that up. Recessions are a normal part of the business cycle and the economic cycle. We may be slightly overdue to have one at this point, although the last one that we had took very, very long to recover from, the Great Recession that started back in 2008 took a full decade to recover from, which is also very unusual.   Keith Weinhold (00:15:05) - So we'll take a look at some of these cycles and see where we are today. Keith, the basic metric that most economists look at when they're trying to figure out the strength of the US economy is is something called the gross domestic product, the GDP.   Rick Sharga (00:15:18) - We track that to see if it's growing, if it's declining. The technical definition of a recession is two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth. And there's been a lot of talk about the GDP slowing down in the US. But really it's been mostly talk. In fact, if you look at the last quarter, we have data four, which was the fourth quarter of last year. You can see that the GDP grew by 3.2 3.3%, which was a much higher number than what most economists had forecast.   Keith Weinhold (00:15:47) - That resilient economy with a low unemployment rate, jobs being added and productive growth in the GDP.   Rick Sharga (00:15:54) - Yeah, we're going to get to all of that. And it's a great point. If you look at what makes up the GDP, about two thirds of it is comprised of consumer spending, right.   Rick Sharga (00:16:04) - So typically when you see strong GDP numbers, you're consumer is doing pretty well. And a lot of this probably has to do with consumers still having money to spend from the enormous amount of stimulus that the federal government poured into the economy to help prevent a recession or depression during Covid. About $15 trillion in all of the stimulus that was sent out to consumers and businesses alike. And that's probably helped us weather the storm of what normally might have been a slowdown in the economy. We are, however, Keith, in a globally interconnected economy, and it's important to note that not all of our peers are doing quite as well. Canada may already be in a recession. The UK is almost certainly in a recession. The eurozone barely escaped going into recessionary numbers in the last quarter, and even markets like China aren't doing as well as as expected. And I'm not saying that to gloat about how well the US is doing. I'm saying that is sort of a warning that if we do get into a situation where it looks like there's a global recession going on, it's very unlikely the US will come out of that untainted at all.   Rick Sharga (00:17:09) - So it's something to keep an eye on as we move forward.   Keith Weinhold (00:17:11) - Right. 100%.   Rick Sharga (00:17:13) - You mentioned unemployment a couple of minutes ago, Keith, and that's one of the other economic metrics we check. Unemployment went all the way up. And I say that facetiously. The 3.9% in the numbers, full employment is considered to be anywhere at 5% unemployment or lower. And we haven't been at 5% unemployment. Probably since about 2016, with the exception of the blip we had during the Covid pandemic, when the government shut things down and we had a huge increase in unemployment temporarily. But we are continuing to see very, very strong job numbers, both in terms of these low levels of unemployment and in terms of job growth. The January and February numbers again caught the economists who come up with these consensus forecasts by surprise. In January, about 350,000 jobs created. In February, about 250,000 jobs created. I should put an asterisk on some of these numbers. When you hear politicians talking about all the jobs they've created over the last few years.   Rick Sharga (00:18:15) - Keep in mind that during the Covid pandemic, we wiped out about 22 million jobs virtually overnight. A lot of the millions of jobs that have been created over the last few years were really those old jobs being refilled. We filled most of those within about two years, and we have continued to create jobs since then. We have more jobs than we have people looking for work. They're about 8.5 million jobs open, about 6 to 6.5 million people looking for work.   Keith Weinhold (00:18:43) - You can almost think that this is an over employed condition.   Rick Sharga (00:18:46) - And it almost is in most cases, not all cases, but in most cases, somebody who doesn't have a job right now just isn't looking for a job right now. And these are not all service level jobs. That's the other pushback I get when I'm out talking to groups sometimes. Oh yeah, but not everybody wants to work at Starbucks. Well, first of all, you get pretty good benefits of Starbucks free coffee healthcare. But let's not do a Starbucks commercial. These are government jobs.   Rick Sharga (00:19:10) - They're manufacturing jobs. They're construction jobs. They are some type of service level jobs. But these are jobs across the board. And because there are more jobs available than people are looking for work, we're seeing wages go up. The average hourly wage across the country last month was over $29 an hour, which is the highest it's ever been. And if you look at wage growth on a year over year basis, it's running at about 5%. And really, Keith, this is the first time in a number of years that we can say with certainty that wage growth is actually running at a higher pace than the rate of inflation, right.   Keith Weinhold (00:19:44) - And that really matters. That really helps pay the rent. One thing that detractors say with the unemployment rate, you talked about them not necessarily being consolidated in the low paid service sector area, is that a lot of people lament, well, aren't many of these part time jobs? Where are your thoughts there?   Rick Sharga (00:20:01) - There are a probably historically large number of part time jobs, but we also have an awful lot of people who have opted out of full time work for a variety of reasons, and are thrilled to be able to pick up some money working in the gig economy.   Rick Sharga (00:20:16) - So whether they're driving for Uber or Lyft, they're doing DoorDash or something else that's a part time job that they're doing just to either, in some cases, kill time or to make a little bit of extra money. This isn't an economy where the majority of part time workers are in part time jobs, because they can't find a full time job. That's simply not the case, and the data doesn't support that.   Keith Weinhold (00:20:41) - Now, if you, the listener and viewer here are wondering, well, this stuff doesn't apply directly to me. I'm good. I'm secure in my job. Maybe I don't even need a job. Keep in mind that we're talking about the financial condition of your tenant today.   Rick Sharga (00:20:57) - Yeah. When I'm talking to to real estate investors in general, I know that you were talking about drywall earlier, and sometimes you really can't see the forest for the trees. You're kind of overwhelmed or you're not sure where you should actually be looking. I tell them in many cases, to pay less attention to home prices and rental rates and more attention to some of the underlying fundamental economic conditions.   Rick Sharga (00:21:20) - Are you in a market where population is growing or declining? Are you in a market where there's job growth? Are you in a market where there's wage growth? If you're at a market where the population, jobs and wages are all growing, you're going to be in a pretty healthy market for real estate, whether it's owner occupied properties or its rental properties. On the other hand, if jobs are leaving your market, if wages are going down, if population is declining, those are warning signs. And it might be an indication that that's not a good market to start investing more in. So everything we're talking about really does get connected back to the housing market, whether it's rental housing or owner occupied housing. And it's important to see these trends for what they are.   Keith Weinhold (00:22:04) - And of course, we're talking about these factors on a national level. As we know, our real estate is local, and our audience is often interested in studying a metro market before they decide to invest there. So on that more regional level, Rick, or local level, do you have any favorite resources or websites or apps that you think are important for prospective investors to look at first within a certain region or MSA? Well, you.   Rick Sharga (00:22:33) - Can. Find a lot of local market data on some of the free housing sites that are out there. The Zillow's, the Realtor.com is the homes dot coms of the world. If you go beyond the basic home search, or if you dig deep into some of the information that they provide on local markets, within that home search, you'll find a lot of information there. There are third party companies. There's a company I'm familiar with it that works mostly with realtors, but has a lot of data that investors would probably be interested in. It's called keeping current matters. Yeah, they do an awful lot of reporting on this. But if you really want to do your own research and you don't mind doing a little bit of digging, I find that the Department of Labor and the Census Bureau and the Bureau of Labor Statistics, all government entities, have just copious amounts of local market information. You can find, you know, down to what does the local Pipefitter earn on an hourly basis in Peoria? There's all of that data out there for free on these government sites.   Rick Sharga (00:23:34) - You just have to be willing to do a little bit of research and dig through those sites.   Keith Weinhold (00:23:39) - Right. And sometimes the government websites don't exactly present their information in a beautiful, graphically rich way. But this is part of your research. Some people don't realize that, Fred, the Federal Reserve economic data has an awful lot of regional and local information, not just national information as well. Well, thanks for sharing some of those resources, Rick, and where you like to go and look, that can really help our audience. What else should a real estate investor know about today's overall economy?   Rick Sharga (00:24:08) - So we talked about consumer spending and the reliance our economy does have on consumer spending. And one of the things that I'm watching fairly carefully right now is an apparent disconnect between consumer confidence and consumer spending. So if you go back to when the pandemic hit and the lockdown occurred, consumer spending obviously fell off a cliff. There was just nothing to buy. And consumer confidence took a major hit with the announcement of the pandemic.   Rick Sharga (00:24:34) - Consumer spending as soon as the lockdown was over started to come back strongly and has never slowed down. It's hit an all time high today. Consumer confidence, on the other hand, was battered a little bit by subsequent waves of Covid, by threatened government shutdown in Washington, by the war in Ukraine, by the more recent war in the Middle East. And so the concern here is that if consumer confidence doesn't come back, we might see spending revert to the mean. And actually, as economists would say, and come back down, which would cause, at the very least an economic slowdown and at the worst, probably a recession. So it is something we're keeping an eye on. Consumer confidence has been improving a little bit lately, but historically it's gone hand in hand with consumer spending. And that simply hasn't been the case in recent months. So it is something we're keeping an eye on.   Keith Weinhold (00:25:25) - Now, one might wonder how do you measure confidence? Well, there are various surveys out there. And Rick, the way I think of it with consumers is that consumer confidence is more of a leading indicator, and then the actual consumption is more of a trailing indicator.   Rick Sharga (00:25:42) - I completely agree with you. The sentiment index that I follow most closely is one that's put out by the University of Michigan. Yeah, and it's been out there for decades. So there's an awful lot of history that goes with it. And generally speaking, on any index, you're looking for a number that's around or above 100 because that usually is your baseline. And some of the more recent months we've seen numbers down in the 50s and 60s. Now they've been trending up, as I said, in recent months. But that's something that's reported on very widely by the press. We were talking about sourcing things for investors. And I have to tell you, the just doing a basic Google search for something like, what's consumer confidence like today? You'd be surprised. The rich information that you can pull just from Google, that you can start to find some of these sources online. But that is one thing that we're watching. And, Keith, I think it's important to break out a little bit in more detail how consumers are spending or what they're spending with.   Rick Sharga (00:26:44) - And these are potential red flags for the economy, consumer credit card use. The amount of debt on credit cards surpassed $1 trillion in the third quarter of last year for the first time ever, and it got close to 1.2 trillion in the fourth quarter. That's an awful lot of credit card spending. Regardless of what you want to talk to me about, with inflation adjusted dollars, it's still $1 trillion. And that happened at a time when credit card interest rates had soared because of what the Federal Reserve was doing. So you're talking about people spending 1 to $1.2 trillion on their credit cards, when the average interest rate on a new credit card issued was between 25 and 30%. Gosh. Which, by the way, is a high enough number that it used to get you arrested for usury. And apparently now it's the new. Normal and it's okay. But this is concern. And one of the big concerns is because the cost of living has become so high and it's so difficult for so many families. The worry is that people might be starting to use their credit cards to make ends meet, to buy basic necessities, and that historically has not been a story with a happy ending.   Rick Sharga (00:27:52) - So we are watching credit card use. We're also watching personal savings rates. When the government stimulus came out, we saw a savings rates at all time highs. We then saw savings declined rapidly to all time low levels. They've recovered a little bit, but they're still on the low end of things, historically speaking. So the same worry here, Keith, which is that we're worried that families might be dipping into personal savings in order to make ends meet. And that combination, there's some research that suggests that, on average, the US household has more credit card debt than they have savings, and that's just not a healthy ratio for anybody to have.   Keith Weinhold (00:28:30) - Yeah, America has very much so they live for today mindset I think. So therefore it was a pretty predictable that after the Covid stimulus payments that savings levels probably would drop.   Rick Sharga (00:28:42) - Yeah. It's just that they drop further than what we had hoped they would. We're going to talk about inflation in the second. I have a bit of skepticism about some of the inflation numbers that we see reported from the government because of what they include or exclude, or some of the data is trailing by a long time.   Rick Sharga (00:28:56) - So I out of frustration, I created my own CPI. It's not the consumer price index, it's the Costco price index. And I look at one of my leading indicators is salmon because I buy my salmon at Costco. And a year ago that salmon cost 999 a pound. Today shopping a Costco, that salmon costs 1299 £1.30 percent. That's a 30% lift for all the talk we hear out of the administration about gas prices going down, I can tell you that where I buy my gas at Costco, it's a couple dollars more a gallon than it was just a few years ago. And I say this with a little bit of a chuckle, and I say this knowing that it's a nuisance for me. But I've been blessed. And it's not a life or death decision for me. But there are families out there who are deciding whether or not they can buy salmon this week. And I would submit that on average, your rental family's income is lower than your owner occupied houses, families, income. And so for all of your listeners who are landlords, this is something to be paying very close attention to, despite the fact that inflation is coming down.   Rick Sharga (00:30:02) - Keep in mind that these inflation rates are on top of very high prices that we have as a result of the previous cycle of inflation. So it's going to take a while, even with wages going up for those households to catch up here. And the hope is that wage growth will continue to outpace inflation growth long enough that they'll be able to do that.   Keith Weinhold (00:30:23) - Yes, that's a positive trend. Yeah. Rick, as long is in your Costco price index, Costco doesn't try to skimp, inflate and replace your wild elastic salmon with Atlantic farmed salmon. I'm sure you're going to be paying attention to that as well as you fill your own shopping basket and come up with what's really happening with inflation. Because for those that believe the CPI, it's been reported in the low threes lately and CPI peaked at 9.1% almost two years ago in June of 2022.   Rick Sharga (00:30:55) - And what the Federal Reserve has done is unprecedented. We've only ever seen rates go this high this quickly, once in the last 50 or 60 years. That was back in the 1980s, when inflation was really in runaway mode and out of control.   Rick Sharga (00:31:10) - And normally what the Federal Reserve does is very methodical, very thoughtful. They'll raise the fed funds rate a quarter of a point. They'll sit back and wait to see what happens. They'll raise another quarter point and give it some time to take effect and so forth and so on until they feel like inflation is under control. And then they'll then they'll drop that fed funds rate. In this case, they've admitted a few things that probably took a lot for them to say out loud. They admitted that they underestimated how high inflation would get. They admitted that they underestimated how quickly it would rise. And they also admitted that they underestimated how difficult it was going to be to get it under control. So what it did peak at about 9.1% a couple of years ago. They took unprecedented steps in terms of the size of of rate hikes and the rapidity with which they raised the fed funds rate. And now they're in a position where inflation is trending more or less in the right direction. It's in the low threes, as you said, it has not come down as much in the last couple reports as they would like.   Rick Sharga (00:32:10) - And that's probably going to result in them holding the fed funds rate at its current level for at least the first half of this year before they start doing rate cuts, because the last thing they want to do is cut too soon and see inflation start to come back up.   Keith Weinhold (00:32:25) - About one month ago, I did an episode titled Why the Fed should not lower rates. Rates are. Normal and the economy doesn't need the help. So if we do have this dreaded R-word, this recession, the most convenient tool for the fed to use is to cut rates. We don't want to use up that ammo while we're still in a good position like we are today.   Rick Sharga (00:32:47) - Yeah, I don't disagree with you. And there were some economists and mostly Wall Street, who had been predicting a fed rate cut as early as March and over the course of the year. And I thought they were all crazy great. And I've been saying at the earliest, May now I think it's probably not until June. The rates are a little higher than historic averages.   Rick Sharga (00:33:05) - I could see maybe three rate cuts this year, maybe four if the economy slows down significantly. We're not we're certainly not going back to the zero rates that we had for a few years. I think the fed will be very cautious and reserved in its approach to scaling back the fed funds rate. One of the the side effects of what they did is they cast a lot of uncertainty and doubt into the financial markets, which have caused mortgage rates to skyrocket, which have caused private lending rates to skyrocket. For your listeners who borrow from private lenders. And I don't think we see those rates start to come down significantly until after the fed does its first fed funds rate cut, I suspect, and so far I've been right, that until we see that rate cut, we're going to see mortgage rates on a 30 year fixed rate loan kind of bounce back and forth in a very narrow band between about 6.75 and 7.25% for the next few months. And that's really where they've been since January. And I think that will continue to be the case until we see that first rate cut, at which point the market will probably say, okay, they're serious now we can have that sigh of relief, and then we'll see a slow and gradual reduction in mortgage rates.   Rick Sharga (00:34:21) - I did want to touch on two things related to the fed actions and the current economic issues. Keith, because I often get the question about likelihood of a recession. If you go back in history all the way back to World War two, not counting this cycle, the Federal Reserve has raised the fed funds rates 11 times in order to get inflation under control. Eight of those 11 times, they've wound up over correcting as they raise the rates right. And that steered us into a recession. The three times that didn't happen, the three times they executed a soft landing, not a recession. All three of those cycles had something in common, and that was that the fed didn't have to overcorrect because they started early. They acted proactively when it looked like inflation was getting started, and they were able to keep inflation under control without a drastic increase in the fed funds rate this cycle. They've already admitted that they waited too long and inflation got higher than they expected. And because of that, they've had to raise the rates more quickly and more dramatically again than anything we've seen in the last 40 or 50 years.   Rick Sharga (00:35:25) - So historically speaking, it would seem more likely than not that we'd see at least a mild recession. The people who say, well, if we would have seen one through this cycle, we would have already seen it often overlooked the fact that it can take 24 months after the Fed's rate hikes are done, to see the full effect on the economy.   Keith Weinhold (00:35:45) - Economies are complex and cycles move slowly. They do so, historically speaking.   Rick Sharga (00:35:50) - That's one thing. I look at the other and without getting to Inside Baseball for your listeners, is something called a yield curve inversion. Yeah. And that's when when the bonds markets sense a disruption in the force and think that Darth Vader may be hitting the economy, but basically it's when the the yields on longer term investments like ten year Treasury bonds switch places with the yields on shorter term investments like two year Treasury bonds. So the yield on a two year investment is actually higher than the yield on a ten year investment. And when you have that inversion, that's what they call a yield curve inversion.   Rick Sharga (00:36:23) - And the last eight times that's happened we've had a recession follow not always a long drawn out recession, but there's always been a recession. And this particular yield curve inversion cycle is one of the deepest and longest ones we've had in a long time. And again, using history as a precedent. That doesn't seem to be really good reason for this cycle to behave differently than the last eight half. Having said all that, we may get lucky. The fed may pull a rabbit out of its hat and actually execute that rare soft landing instead of a recession. If they do, we'll still feel the economy slowdown that's almost a given. And if they don't, if we do have a recession, every economist I speak with tells me the same thing that it's likely to be a very short, very mild recession because all of the economic fundamentals underneath are still very, very strong. And, you know, employment, wages, productivity and so forth and so on. So likely to see some sort of slowdown this year, Keith, whether it turns into an actual recession or is just very, very slow growth, that's the most likely scenario for the rest of 2024.   Keith Weinhold (00:37:30) - Well, Rick, as we wind down here, the. Last thing I'd like to ask you about is in a recession, what typically happens to real estate, because you and I both study history and something that I often say here on the show is oftentimes you need to look at history over hunches, for example, I think it's easy to have a hunch that when mortgage rates rise while home prices are definitely going to fall. No, actually, if you look at history, when mortgage rates rise, home prices typically rise because rising rates typically mean the economy strong. And another one is when home prices are up. Well, a lot of people think that others want to then jump into the housing market and buy when they see that prices are up. So then when home prices are up, well, that means rents must fall since everyone's buying. But no, these two things typically move together home prices and rents. It's about history over hunches. So with that in mind, talk to us with your historical research on in recessions, what typically happens to the real estate market?   Rick Sharga (00:38:28) - Typically, home sales go up from the beginning of recession to the end of a recession.   Rick Sharga (00:38:33) - And in fact, with the notable exception of the last recession, the Great Recession, housing is very often helped the economy recuperate from a recession and recover. And that's particularly true in the new homes market. Home prices also typically go up from the beginning of recession to the end of a recession. So you could have some short term disruption. You could see home sales volume or home prices dip slightly at the beginning of a recession. But historically speaking, in every recession except the Great Recession, we've actually seen both home sales and home prices go up. And to your point, higher mortgage rates do not historically equate to lower home prices. What they do equate to is home prices going up at a slower rate. And this last cycle has been very unusual because historically, we've never seen mortgage rates double in a single calendar year until 2022. And in fact, that year rates didn't double in a calendar year. They doubled in a couple of months.   Keith Weinhold (00:39:33) - And tripled overall.   Rick Sharga (00:39:34) - And they tripled overall. So if you look at that, we did see home prices actually decline in some markets, although nationally the number never went negative.   Rick Sharga (00:39:44) - And we saw home price appreciation drop off pretty dramatically but still stay positive on a year over year basis. So it's been kind of interesting. This has been a very unusual cycle for a lot of reasons, but historically speaking, your spot on a recession does not spell doom and gloom for the housing market. Whether you're talking about owner occupied homes or rental properties.   Keith Weinhold (00:40:06) - Rick and I talked about the general economy today. Next week, Rick is going to join us again, and we're going to focus squarely on the real estate market. So no long goodbyes, Rick. We'll see you next week.   Rick Sharga (00:40:18) - See you soon, Keith.   Keith Weinhold (00:40:25) - Yeah. Strong insights from Rick, as usual. To help sum it up, recession or not, expect some sort of economic slowdown later this year. It's expected to be mild. That's what Rick shared with us. And if that happens, expect less rent growth. Then in a recession, home prices tend to go up. That's what really happens. Wage growth keeps outpacing inflation. Now the longer that trend continues, expect more rent growth in the future.   Keith Weinhold (00:40:57) - But of course the real rate of inflation is slippery to measure. I think you could still make the case that wage growth isn't really higher than inflation. So to me, that part's actually not that bullish. Rick believes mortgage rates will stay near 7% until the fed makes their first rate cut. We discussed monetary policy today. And you surely know that's what the fed does. They control the flow of money and interest rate policy. We did not discuss fiscal policy. We're not going to next week either. Fiscal policy is something that Tom Wheelwright and I often do together. And what is the difference? Well, fiscal policy is the tax and spend side. When you think of fiscal think tax and spend, and it's often congressional committees and elected officials that make those fiscal policy decisions, not the fed. They're making the monetary policy. That's the difference. This is get rich education. So after all, we do often have these learning moments. 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Get Rich Education
494: Do You WANT to Retire? What is Retirement?

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 25, 2024 40:40


Get our free real estate course and newsletter: GRE Letter Time, health, and money are three key resources in your life. Learn about their trade-offs. “It's not at what age I want to retire, it's at what income.” -George Foreman I discuss at least three definitions of retirement: 1-The time of life when one permanently chooses to leave the workforce. 2-To remove from service. 3-When you become job-optional. 4-When you stop doing mandatory income-producing activities. Social security, pensions, 401(k)s, and residual income from real estate and stocks are all discussed. Compound interest is faulty. Compound leverage can help you retire young. “After the first $2M-$3M, a paid off home, and a good car, there is no difference in the quality of life between you and Jeff Bezos.” We discuss.  I briefly cover the antitrust case against the NAR, making the 5-6% commission paid by the seller largely a thing of the past. Rents are up 2% annually, the biggest gain in thirteen months, per Redfin. Learn 15 reasons why single-family rentals beat apartments.  I discuss two specific addresses—one in Memphis and one in Little Rock. Our Investment Coaches help you free with these and other income properties and your strategy at GREmarketplace.com.   Resources mentioned: Show Page: GetRichEducation.com/494 For access to properties or free help with a GRE Investment Coach, start here: GREmarketplace.com Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Invest with Freedom Family Investments.  You get paid first: Text FAMILY to 66866 Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review”  Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com GRE Free Investment Coaching: GREmarketplace.com/Coach Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free— text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Complete episode transcript:   Keith Weinhold (00:00:01) - Welcome to GRE. I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. Do you want to retire? What is the definition of retirement today, anyway? In fact, with just 2 or $3 million, would you be as happy as the world's richest man, Jeff Bezos? I'll break that down. Then I discuss key trends in the rental housing market today on get Rich education. When you want the best real estate and finance info, the modern internet experience limits your free articles access, and it's replete with paywalls. And you've got pop ups and push notifications and cookies. Disclaimers are. At no other time in history has it been more vital to place nice, clean, free content into your hands that actually adds no hype value to your life? See, this is the golden age of quality newsletters, and I write every word of ours myself. It's got a dash of humor and it's to the point to get the letter. It couldn't be more simple. Text GRE to 66866. And when you start the free newsletter, you'll also get my one hour fast real estate course completely free.   Keith Weinhold (00:01:16) - It's called the Don't Quit Your Daydream letter and it wires your mind for wealth. Make sure you read it. Text gray to 66866. Text gray 266866.   Corey Coates (00:01:33) - You're listening to the show that has created more financial freedom than nearly any show in the world. This is get rich education.   Keith Weinhold (00:01:49) - We're going to go from Andover, England, to Andover, Massachusetts, and across 188 nations worldwide. I'm Keith Weinhold, and you're listening to Get Rich education. Around here, we say that financially free beats debt free. And for many, financially free means retirement. Now, you might be far from retirement, but those with the most foresight are those that begin with the end in mind. And it can be rather dreamy for some to think about retirement and then others don't want to retire. I'm asking you, do you want to retire? Do you ever want to retire? In fact, we posed that very question to our general education audience. I've got those results that I'll share with you here later, and it is really interesting.   Keith Weinhold (00:02:41) - But let me give you some perspective. First, I think that some young people fall into the trap of daydreaming about retirement. Oh, you might want to retire someday, but look, you can't dream about it too much. You've got to live in the moment. Because if you retire a traditional retirement age, those people tend to look back on their younger years and regret the things that they didn't try when they were younger. Don't quit your day dream, but don't dream about older age too much when you're younger. With the wealth building concepts that we discuss here on the show every week, you don't have to be that old when you retire to me. What sets the stage for you being able to retire is when you reach the point of being job optional. At what point are you job optional? That is a key turning point and for you, as soon as you're job optional. You might want to retire at that point, but you don't want to retire so soon that things will be iffy on whether or not you run out of money before you run out of life.   Keith Weinhold (00:03:49) - The best way to avoid that situation is to build your residual outside of work income alongside you during your working years, and then you won't have to merely guess on if a certain lump sum amount is going to be accumulated and sufficient. Now, one definition that I like for retirement is that you stop doing income producing activities that you don't want to do. All right. That's one definition. What you've done there is that you stopped sacrificing today for some imaginary tomorrow. If you stop doing those mandatory income producing activities. Look, you've got three key resources in your life time, health, and money. When you're younger, you'll trade away your time and even your health for money. That's because you feel like you have an abundance of time and health and not much money yet. But as you progress through life continuing to make this trade, your time and your health become more scarce, resources no longer abundant ones, there will come a point in your life where working will cost you more than retiring. You don't want to get to that point.   Keith Weinhold (00:05:09) - Now. You probably see no sheets of paper with the squares that you can hang up. There's 52 boxes in a year and is divided into 90 sections, one for each year of your life. And it shows you graphically in your face how many weeks and years you really have left. And by the way, I cannot get myself to hang up one of those sheets. That is just too much of an in my face reminder of my own mortality. Okay, I'm not doing that, but what do you like to do? Do you like canoeing or reading books or running in five K races? Well, if you read five books a year and you're going to live 50 more years, let's just 250 books for the rest of your life. Now, that sounds like quite a few, but when you're done, you're done. Do you have some best friends that you see, say, once a year? Do you live a long ways from your parents and you only see them once or twice annually, or at this rate, then you might only see your friends, say 31 more times.   Keith Weinhold (00:06:17) - And if your parents are older, what if you only see them 18 more times? That might sound like quite a few, but when that's done, that is done. Now this can get a little depressing. But what I'm helping you do here is identify what's important to you in your life. A lot of people don't have any real hobbies outside of their jobs. People feel sad and unfulfilled and can never see themselves retiring when this is the case. Now, you might enjoy drinking with your friends. All right. Sure, but that's not a real hobby. Hopefully you have the ambition to know that there are a lot of things that you really want to do, and you need to find the time in order to do those things. Well, here's the good news you are the one that's in control of how much of your time on earth you spend doing those activities are spending time with those people. Now, I was chatting with one woman about retirement. Gosh, this was interesting. And she told me that she doesn't want to retire.   Keith Weinhold (00:07:23) - Okay, well, she justified her stance by saying, who wants to stay at home? And I'm thinking, who wants to stay at home? I found that a really curious answer. Why does retirement mean staying at home? Like if you don't go to work, you'd stay at home. So maybe this person didn't have any hobbies. I mean, I would think that retirement would include the time and ability to travel. Well. So retiring and staying at home or not at all identical to me. A few years ago we had financial expert Kim Butler here on the show. You might remember that really intelligent woman. She was a retirement detractor, not a fan of retirement. The definition of retirement to Kim, if you remember, is to remove from service. That was her definition, meaning that she'll no longer serve others. I'm not saying that's right or wrong. That's her perspective. Well, I think that you can still serve others in retirement. Take a leadership position at your church, coach kids baseball, volunteer at a homeless shelter.   Keith Weinhold (00:08:28) - And even if retirement does mean to remove from service, or you probably served others at a full time job for decades, probably even for most of your life. So it's okay to have others in turn serve you in retirement. Well, today I'm here asking you, do you want to retire and what is retirement and not giving you some food for thought, let me discuss some more formal definitions of retirement first before I continue here. Now if you go and Google what is retirement, the word age appears after that as a fourth word, suggesting that you might select what is retirement age. Well, the former boxer George Foreman, he said it well. He said it's not at what age I want to retire. It said what income. Yeah. The first retirement definition that you find though, is the time of life when one permanently chooses to leave the workforce. All right. Well, that's actually a good short definition. And it'll show you that the traditional retirement age is 65 in the US and a lot of other developed countries too.   Keith Weinhold (00:09:39) - But in the US today, full retirement age when you can collect full Social Security benefits is age 67. If you were born in 1960 or later, and the earliest that you can collect benefits is 62. But do you know what the average monthly Social Security check amount is today? It is $1,767. Now, that amount can vary a lot depending on the recipient type, but it gives you some idea that that is only a supplement to your other income that you've got to figure out. And a sad and paltry $1,767. I mean that right there. That may very well be a motivator to make you want to invest well elsewhere. The old standard is that retirees need 80% of the income that they had when they were working, but were more abundantly minded. Here at GRI, I'd like to think that your income could go up in retirement as you keep adding cash flowing assets. But in a recent survey of consumer finance, the mean retirement amount saved of all working age families, the complete family here, not just the individual, is just 269 K.   Keith Weinhold (00:10:58) - That's not per year as retirement income. That's just the lump sum to live off of. Now some workers, especially government employees, they have a pension. That's where you don't have to just draw from a lump sum at the end of your life, like you would at the end of your life, like you would with a 401 K. So a pension that's a predetermined livable amount that you're paid each year in retirement, it's often based on the percent that you earn during your working years, say 75%. That's why most people like a pension within a 401 K, because pensions are about the perpetual income, not the lump sum, where you just hope that it lasts. But pensions are expensive. So the private sector really started phasing them out beginning in the ninth. 80s. Really in the US retirement. What that used to mean is turning 65 and drawing a pension and Social Security. I mean, that's what you'll hear your grandparents talk about. Now for us in younger generations, remember, your 401 K withdrawals must begin between age 59.5 and 70, and you must begin paying tax on it at that time.   Keith Weinhold (00:12:13) - Now, there's been a flurry of research about advances in longevity. Some of the more optimistic ones even say that if you're currently under age 55 and you get to the age of 65 in good health, you're likely to live to be 125 plus, if that comes true or even partially true, that tilts toward not accumulating a lump sum in retirement, but having an income stream from something like income producing real estate or stock dividends. You really need to focus on that income stream. If you're going to live a few decades longer than the current life expectancy. Look, when you make the production of ongoing income part of your ongoing investment strategy, you don't need what many retirees think of as the 4% rule. You probably heard of it what the 4% rule is. That's a popular retirement withdrawal strategy that says that you can safely withdraw the amount equal to 4% of your savings during the year that you retire, and then you're supposed to adjust for inflation each subsequent year for, say, 20 or 30 years. Well, that imposes serious limits.   Keith Weinhold (00:13:28) - I mean, that is synonymous with the life deferral plan, like a 401 K, where you voluntarily reduce your income in your working years to participate in an employee sponsored plan that isn't even designed to produce income until you're older, trading away pieces of your 30 year old self to get pieces of your 80 year old self back, you're drawing down on your big pot that you have saved for retirement. And instead, if you've been adding income producing investments for a decade or more, what you won't have to draw down at the limiting 4%, you've got to, of course, figure out inflation. Those retirees that are tapping into one lump sum amount, like from an employer sponsored plan a 401 K or a 403 B, they just try to guess at the future inflation rate. That's all any of us can do. And a lot of times they safely assume 4%. Around here we talk about how the real world inflation long term is almost certainly higher than that. So if you've got income from real estate and say you even do want to have your real estate paid off in retirement, you may or may not want to pay it off since you're ten and services your debt.   Keith Weinhold (00:14:41) - Well, you know, when it comes to inflation, rents tend to stay indexed to inflation. So your residual cash flow is pretty well protected from erosion to inflation. I've got some good news. You might be able to retire substantially sooner than you think. That's because if you're age 20 or 30 or 40 or 50, whatever, most planners, they project your wealth from a lump sum that grows with compound interest or compound interest is faulty, as we know it's degraded down after you account for inflation, emotion, taxes, fees, and volatility. Luckily for you, you have more than weak, impotent, and deluded compound interest because in addition to your residual income, you're going to have bigger lump sums than others because you had compounding leverage, not compounding interest. Even if you had zero real estate cash flow in retirement and you've got leverage, you made lots of 20% down payments on properties that appreciated, say, 5% a year. That means you were leveraged 5 to 1 and you got a 25% return in that first year of each rental property that you owned and is any Gary devotee knows that 25% is one of just five ways you're paid.   Keith Weinhold (00:16:07) - This is why you can actually retire sooner than you're thinking. With help from leverage. What you've done is collapse time frames. Understand that when you're in your retirement years, most people they have a U shaped spending pattern. Yes, u shaped spending in retirement because you tend to spend a lot of money in your early retirement years. You're traveling, you're living it up, and then you get a decade or two older. You slow down, you stay at home and spend less the trough of the U. And then your expenses go up before end of life. Care. Yes, you shaped spending patterns in retirement are common. And I know I talked about slowing down there at the trough of the year, but of course you won't be slowing down. It's just that others have tended to. Now, a really interesting topic that has circulated among many lately, and I believe that this was first proposed and debated on Reddit or X, and that is this after the first 2 million or $3 million a paid off home in a good car, there is no difference in the quality of life between you and Jeff Bezos, the richest man in the world.   Keith Weinhold (00:17:29) - That's the topic. What do you think about that? 2 or $3 million is attainable. You might already be there or beyond it. And of course, this says nothing about an income stream. So let's presume that there isn't one. All right. Well, in response to this topic, Spencer here from Orlando says I strongly disagree. Private jets complete immunity to health care costs and the ability to donate sums that change lives are all heavy hitting things that you can't do with $3 million. Tug from New York says, I agree 100%. Things like vacationing on a private island or a superyacht they may be cool to experience, but these are not necessarily things I'm thinking of when I think of happiness and anonymous respondents says Bezos's 420,000 acres probably have several views. That would be my view. Glenn, from Florida, says I have a paid off 975 square foot home, a 2018 Honda Cr-V, and not much spare cash. But I do have a wife going on 49 years who loves me, so I am richer than most millionaires like Quay.   Keith Weinhold (00:18:43) - I don't know where he's from, Mike says. I disagree with the 2 million to $3 million thing. I have some wealthy friends and they say that the sweet spot is 10 million to 100 million. In this zone, you can live very comfortably, but you're also able to blend in easily enough with most of the middle class. When you eclipse $100 million, typically you're involved with something public invisible, and then security and other considerations become much more of a problem. All right, that was his take, Mike keys. And then we had a number of others point out that $2 million is not enough to fly private, which makes a big difference to your quality of life. And yes, they do have a point there. I have flown private once and there is a substantial difference. Finally, Tanner's got a good point here. He says, I agree there is no significant difference in quality of life. Having safety, security, education, some autonomy and growth potential is key. The difference between a regular vacation and a $50,000 vacation is negligible, and it is the same with cars, food, watches and anything materialistic.   Keith Weinhold (00:19:54) - That's what Tanner says. All right, well, to summarize that for you here, and this is also parallel with my belief is that I disagree with this Bezos thing, with the 2 to $3 million net worth in your necessities taken care of. There is a difference between that life and Jeff Bezos life. But remember, the claim is that there was no difference. However, that difference is not that vast. That's my opinion. And yes, one can say that no amount of money can bring you happiness, but with money, you can buy time that you can fill with happiness and those that you love. Now that you have some perspective in different viewpoints, maybe you're better able to answer that question that I asked you at the beginning. Do you want to retire? And here it is, our poll that was run on our Instagram Stories. It asked, do you want to retire and blow those words? It showed a happy couple on vacation holding hands and the result was yes, 58% of you want to retire and the nos were 42%.   Keith Weinhold (00:21:06) - If you've given extraordinary service to humanity, I say sure. Thank you for your great service to humanity. Congratulations. Go ahead and retire more straight ahead. 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Tarek Moussa, listen to get Rich education with Keith Reinhold and don't.   Speaker 3 (00:23:31) - Quit your day dream.   Keith Weinhold (00:23:43) - Welcome back. To Get Rid of Education. I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. You might want to know what I think about the ruling that was made ten days ago.   Keith Weinhold (00:23:50) - With respect to the antitrust case against the Nar. I was asked to speak on television about it. I put more about that in last week's newsletter, so I don't have too much more to tell you here. The high point is that the standard 5 to 6% commissions are gone. Sellers used to pay that completely. That commission amount was split between their seller raisin in the buyer's agent. What really happened here is that the lawsuits argue that the Nar and brokerages kept buyers and sellers out of the commission negotiation process, and that led to higher overall costs. And really, the result of this is that it should make some agents lower their fees in order to stay competitive. We should end up seeing lower sales costs when one sells a property. Some estimates are that agent commissions will be down about 30%. Perhaps half of America's 2 million agents will lead the industry. We'll see about that. But see, sellers are still going to want to get the most money for their property that they can, and they're still going to be using comparable sales.   Keith Weinhold (00:24:54) - So that's why it remains to be seen if it really affects listing prices at all. Overall, the Nar continues its waning influence in the real estate industry. Before we discuss the rental property market, you know, I find this kind of upsetting. I mean, do we need to politicize everything? Redfin recently reported that the majority of U.S. homeowners and renters say that housing affordability affects their pick for president. I mean, this is getting ridiculous. That's according to a Redfin commissioned survey conducted by Qualtrics, 3000 US homeowners and renters were surveyed. Those surveyed were worried about the lack of housing inventory and affordability. I mean, how do you really know which presidential administration to blame that on for who to give credit to? I mean, Biden did recently roll out a plan to help with housing affordability. And then, on the other hand, Trump is famously known as a real estate investor, after all. Let's talk about the single family rental market. Do you know what the typical rent range is for a single family rental in America today? Well, the John Byrnes Single Family Rental Survey shows us that most respondents report monthly rents in the $1750 to $2250 range.   Keith Weinhold (00:26:18) - There are about eight ranges here, and 54% of single family reds are in that range. So really close to $2,000. And yeah, I myself have many or even most of my single family rentals in that same range near $2,000. Rents are lowest in the Midwest and Southeast, where a lot of operators report average rents 17 to $1800, and then it almost $2,700. California rent outpaces much of the nation. And you know what? If you just heard that right there, you'd actually think that California is the place to invest and that the Midwest and Southeast or not. But it's just the opposite of that, because it's not about the absolute rent amount. It's about that ratio of rent to purchase price. And that's what makes the Midwest and Southeast the best places. And a third region that's an investment sweet spot is what I like to call the inland Northeast Pittsburgh, Harrisburg, Philadelphia, even Baltimore. Although Baltimore is getting a little coastal, it's the Inland Northeast that has the numbers that work, not the coastal northeast like New York City in Boston and those really high priced markets where rents don't keep up proportionally.   Keith Weinhold (00:27:39) - And of course, there are pockets of opportunity elsewhere, like Texas and some other markets. And note that no part of Pennsylvania is on the East Coast at all, not even Philadelphia. None of it touches the coast. I am indeed a native Pennsylvanian. You get these little geography lessons from me interspersed here at gray., Redfin tells us that rents in the US now this is both apartments in single family. Now we're just talking about single family. Earlier rents are up 2% annually. That's actually the biggest gain in 13 months. Yes, a pretty modest increase there as rent amounts have just been really pretty steady for the last year. And so much new apartment construction took place last year that there is quite a bit of apartment supply to soak up in certain metros, and you might even see concessions. On some of these. I mean, if a new apartment complex is just finished, you know what's sitting there? 250 vacant units all at once. So you're seeing some apartment owners try to entice renters with one month's free rent for a 12 month lease, for example.   Keith Weinhold (00:28:51) - The single family rental market is in better shape from a demand supply perspective than apartments are. See, what's happened, though, is that with the Airbnb market becoming both oversaturated in some markets and then cities cracking down on short term rentals in other markets, it's there's some STR owners have turned their single family homes from Airbnbs over to long term rentals, and that brought a little more supply out of the long term rental market. More places have bans on short term rentals, and gosh, I just had an awful short term rental experience last month when I stayed at one. I usually go for hotels and that's what I'll be doing for a while again,? Now, Adam data, they have some great stats for us here. They reported that rental margins are increasing in about two thirds of the nation. That's some good news. But the increase is still pretty small. And they show us the top five counties for single family rental yield. And they used three bedrooms in their single family rental yield comps. And they did it in larger markets of a million plus.   Keith Weinhold (00:30:03) - All right. So these are counties of a large population where you're getting the best cash flow today basically on single families. Fifth, and I'm surprised that this is Riverside County California. That's the Inland Empire. You sure want to check landlord tenant law in a highly regulated place like California. Fourth is Cook County, Illinois. That's Chicago. Third is Coahoma County, Ohio. That's Cleveland. The second best single family rental yield is Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. That's Pittsburgh. And first number one for rent yield on single families is Wayne County, Michigan. That's Detroit. We've discussed Detroit on the show before. It has a stigma. It seems like the only way to make the stigma disappear is to visit. And you're going to find Investor Advantage properties in a lot of those counties through our gray investment coaches here at Gray marketplace.com about single family rental homes. Now, some asset types like apartment buildings or perhaps self-storage units, they have economies of scale and some other advantages over single family rentals. But single families are a favorite.   Keith Weinhold (00:31:18) - They might have the best risk adjusted return anywhere today, even after 2008 Great Recession, those that had bought for cash flow persevered and even thrived. In fact, single family rentals have at least 15 distinct advantages over a larger apartment building, some that you probably never thought about before. And as I discussed this, don't think that I dislike apartment buildings. Okay, it's likely not the most advantageous time in the market cycle for apartments. It's tenant quality. Single family rentals attract a better quality of tenant. They take better care of the premises. Then there's the neighborhood. Single families tend to be in a better neighborhood. Then there's appreciation. Properties tend to appreciate better over time. Fourthly, there's the school district. They're more likely to be in a better school district. Then there's the retention. Tenants stay longer, creating less vacancy expense. And the aforementioned neighborhood and school districts are why they stay. And you've got common areas. A lot of people don't think about this single families. They don't have these common areas to clean and maintain.   Keith Weinhold (00:32:29) - Apartments have hallways, stairs, larger rooms, and common outdoor grounds that a custodian needs to service. And this is another overlooked profit drag that apartment investors miss in their PNL in their profit and loss projections. And I miss this expense on my first ever apartment. By then, there's utilities in single family rentals. Tenants often pay all the utilities. They even care for the lawn. The larger the apartment building is, the more likely you'll, as the owner, be the one paying utility costs like heat, electricity, water, wastewater, and landscaping. Then there's divisibility. What if you've got property that's not performing the way you hoped it would? Well, if you had ten single family rentals, you can sell the 1 or 2 that are not performing. And with a ten unit apartment building, you must either keep or sell all of the units. It's not divisible. Fire and pestilence. You know, fire and pests. They are more easily controlled in single family rentals where there aren't common walls, even if you're at.   Keith Weinhold (00:33:34) - Ensured these diffuse conditions. They often affect multiple units and families in larger complexes. Financing is a big deal. Income. Single family rentals. They have both lower mortgage interest rates and lower down payment requirements than apartments. You can secure ten single family rental loans if you're single, 20 if you're married at the best rates and terms through the GSEs, the government sponsored enterprises Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, with 20% down payments and apartments, rarely, if ever, have 30 year fixed rate terms like 1 to 4 unit properties do, and you can get more than 10 or 20 of them. But the financing terms are not going to be as good. And what about vacancy rate? That's true that if you're a single family's vacant, your vacancy rate is 100%. If your fourplex has one vacancy, then your vacancy rate is only 25%. But the same is true if you own four Single-Family rentals in one is vacant. Then there's management. If you hire professional management, your manager would likely rather deal with higher quality single family residence.   Keith Weinhold (00:34:44) - If you're self-managing, this is a demographic that you would probably rather handle yourself to supply and demand. There aren't enough low cost single family rentals that make the best income producing properties. Demand exceeds supply, and this is going to continue in both the short and the medium term. Then there's market risk. This is another overlooked criterion. Yes, criterion. Does anyone even know that the singular of criteria is criterion?, you've got to keep your properties filled with rent paying tennis. They have jobs. So if you think you're going to be able to buy ten rental units in the near future with your tenured apartment building, that's only going to be in one location, leaving you exposed to just one geographies economic fortunes instead with, say, ten single family rentals, you could have four in little Rock, three in Dallas and three in Birmingham. And then your exit strategy, that's an important consideration, especially for newer investors years down the road when it's time for you to sell your income property, hopefully, after years of handsome profits, there's a greater buyer pool for your single family then there's going to be for your apartment building.   Keith Weinhold (00:35:58) - More buyers can afford the lower price, and then, unlike apartments, you even have access to a pool of buyers that might want to occupy your property themselves. To live there as an owner occupant, there might even be your current tenant that buys it from you. So those are some of the attributes of single family rental homes. Again, I really like apartment buildings too. I could go on with more advantages for apartment buildings. If you've been meaning to grow your portfolio, you know when you have this information, don't let it be like two well-meaning friends that meet at the gym. And then they say, hey, we should grab lunch sometime. You know what? That is a nonstarter. You got to put something on the calendar to make something happen. You can't make any money from the property that you don't own. You can just copy me and buy the same types of properties in the same places where I buy. Get pre-qualified for a mortgage loan and we'll help you find property. We talked about retirement earlier.   Keith Weinhold (00:36:58) - I mean, the earlier you get into real estate, the better off you're going to be. From that perspective, the best time is today as you get leverage working for you and inflation profiting working for you. What's going on today is with this lower affordability, first time homebuyers, they have often now got to spend years saving for a down payment while they rent. And in the meantime, you can solve their housing problem. They become your renter in these freshly renovated homes or new build homes. And I'll even give you two addresses before we leave. Today. Though in today's tightly supplied market, you know, sound income properties can seem more rare than a pop up. And that's actually useful. Supply is short overall, but because of our long standing relationships, we have a good selection right now. This first of two properties is on Crane Road in Memphis, Tennessee. It's a single family rental. The purchase price is $169,500. The rent's 1253 bed, two bath, 1265ft². The year built is 1964.   Keith Weinhold (00:38:12) - Ask your investment coach about the fresh renovations there. And the other one is in little Rock, Arkansas. And I think I told you that when I made my little Rock real estate visit, I had some extra time and I visited the Bill Clinton Presidential Library, which though, although it's called a library, presidential library, is there really like museums a tribute. To the past president. What I don't think that I did share is that in the entire Bill Clinton presidential library, I could not find one mention of Monica Lewinsky. Not one shred of evidence that that ever took place. Nothing.   Speaker 4 (00:38:50) - Let me tell you something. There's going to be a whole bunch of things we don't tell Mrs. Clinton.   Keith Weinhold (00:38:58) - Nothing whitewashed. All the evidence at all.   Speaker 5 (00:39:01) - Nothing there.   Keith Weinhold (00:39:03) - This property is on Duncan Drive in Little Rock, Arkansas. The single family rental has a purchase price of 117 nine. Rent is 975. Three bed, two bath, 888ft². In the year it was built was 1967. So these are some of the lower cost properties that you find at Gray Marketplace.   Keith Weinhold (00:39:25) - If you prefer brand new builds, brand new construction, we can help you with those two. You typically can't find these deals on public facing platforms that are broad like the MLS or Zillow, and it's completely free. Contact your gray investment coach and learn about these properties. Rehab details and others like them. Learn about their occupancy status and more. And if you don't have a coach, pick one. They'll help you out at Gray marketplace.com. Until next week. I'm Keith, landlord. Don't quit your Daydream!   Speaker 6 (00:40:02) - Nothing on this show should be considered specific, personal or professional advice. Please consult an appropriate tax, legal, real estate, financial or business professional for individualized advice. Opinions of guests are their own. Information is not guaranteed. 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493: Why the Fed Should NOT Lower Rates, Spartan Summit Presentation

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Play Episode Listen Later Mar 18, 2024 43:10


Get our free real estate course and newsletter: GRE Letter I state the reasons why I DON'T believe that the Federal Open Market Committee should lower interest rates. Rates are currently normalized. Watch the full Spartan Summit Presentation here. The first half is played on this episode. President Biden is trying to help the housing market's poor affordability and undersupply. Fed Chair Jerome Powell made recent remarks on the real estate market. He emphasized the lack of supply. High rates = strong economy Low rates = weak economy Lowering interest rates to zero is artificial and introduces distortions in an economy. If we have a recession, we need “rate cut ammo” in order to make cuts at that time. Lowering rates also sets up an inflationary environment. That's bad for society, but leveraged income property investors benefit. A “Fed pivot” means that the FOMC changes from raising rates to lowering rates, or vice versa. Resources mentioned: Show Page: GetRichEducation.com/493 Full Spartan Summit presentation video: On YouTube Freddie Mac mortgage survey: https://www.freddiemac.com/pmms Mortgage News Daily mobile app For access to properties or free help with a GRE Investment Coach, start here: GREmarketplace.com Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Invest with Freedom Family Investments.  You get paid first: Text FAMILY to 66866 Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review”  Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com GRE Free Investment Coaching: GREmarketplace.com/Coach Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free— text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Complete episode transcript:   Keith Weinhold (00:00:01) - Welcome to Greece. I'm your host, Keith Whitfield. President Biden tries to help the housing market. Everyone wants to know when interest rates will be cut. I'm asking, why would we cut rates anytime soon? Yes. Some fed talk today and a lot more on get rich education. When you want the best real estate and finance info. The modern internet experience limits your free articles access, and it's replete with paywalls. And you've got pop ups and push notifications and cookies. Disclaimers are. At no other time in history has it been more vital to place nice, clean, free content into your hands that actually adds no hype value to your life? See, this is the golden age of quality newsletters, and I write every word of ours myself. It's got a dash of humor and it's to the point to get the letter. It couldn't be more simple. Text gray to 66866. And when you start the free newsletter, you'll also get my one hour fast real estate course completely free. It's called the Don't Quit Your Daydream letter and it wires your mind for wealth.   Keith Weinhold (00:01:15) - Make sure you read it. Text gray to 66866. Text gray 266866.   Corey Coates (00:01:27) - You're listening to the show that has created more financial freedom than nearly any show in the world. This is get rich education.   Keith Weinhold (00:01:43) - Welcome, Jerry from Bowmanville, Pennsylvania, to Louisville, Kentucky, and across 188 nations worldwide. And Keith Wayne Holden, I'm grateful to have you here with me for another week. This is get rich education. I'm about to discuss the case for not lowering interest rates, and you'll hear a clip of Jerome Powell commenting on the real estate market shortly. But first, President Biden recently made a state of the Union address, and he unveiled his plan to help the Undersupplied housing market. Part of the plan was to help the buyer side the demand side with incentives, which I'm not sure that we need the support over there on that side. And now that would juice real estate prices. More on housing supply side. Biden's plan creates a $20 billion fund to build more rental housing and kill some construction restrictions. Okay.   Keith Weinhold (00:02:35) - Yeah, that's the key part of the plan. And that's more helpful. Help that supply side. Perhaps the most interesting part of the plan is a $10,000 credit that's meant to incentivize people to sell their starter homes. That's our president on housing. Let's pivot over to Club Fed. Yeah. Welcome in to Club Fed. There's no cover charge for some reason Janet Yellen still hanging around chaperoning. And she still looks like my grandma. Earlier this month, Fed Chair Jerome Powell acknowledged that the commercial real estate loan problems could cause manageable problems for regional banks, possibly for years. I find it interesting that he uses the word manageable when acknowledging problems on the commercial side. I mean, we'll see, but that kind of reminds me of one of Powell's predecessors, former Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke, in 2007, saying that the subprime loan problem was contained is the word that he used. And we all know that. I know the mortgage meltdown contagion of 2008 was anything but contained. Today, when we talk about Powell and interest rates back around 2021, he got beaten up pretty badly for not acknowledging rising inflation sooner.   Keith Weinhold (00:03:56) - But he's brought inflation down to about 3% without a recession. So some credit is due there, but not too much credit because the game's not quite over. And it took that torrid set of interest rate increases where they climbed a cliff in order to quell inflation. And that already hurt a lot of people, including those erstwhile commercial real estate people in their loans that jumped up to a higher interest rate. Now we're talking about interest rate policy. Let me give you something that's easy to remember. High rates mean a strong economy. Low rates mean a weak economy. With that in mind, let's look at where we've come from. And then we'll look at the future. A lot of people got drunk with easy money starting 15 years ago, because it was nearly free to borrow an interest rate of zero at the federal funds level. That gives you no incentive to save and more incentive to borrow and spend. Well, the federal funds rate was zero from 2009 to 2015 to get us out of the Great Recession.   Keith Weinhold (00:05:04) - And then it was zero again from 2020 to 2022 to help lift us out of Covid. That's the past since the federal funds rate, which a lot of other interest rates are based off of two since it quickly shot up starting two years ago, it's now been a full eight months since rates have moved at all. They haven't budged since July of last year. So that's where we are now and I'm fine with them staying here for a while now. Jerome Powell recently testified to the House Financial Services Committee. Let's listen in to him discuss real estate as he's questioned.   Jerome Powell (00:05:44) - The housing market is in a very challenging situation right now. You had this longer run housing shortage, but at the same time, you've got a bunch of things that have to do with the pandemic and the inflation and our response with higher rates. So you you have a shortage of homes available for sale because many people are living in homes with a very low rate mortgage that they can't afford to refinance. So they're not moving, which means the supply of regular existing homes that are for sale is historically low and very low transaction rate.   Jerome Powell (00:06:14) - That actually pushes up prices of of of other existing homes and also of new homes, because there's just not enough supply. The builders are busy, but they're running into, you know, all kinds of supply issues still around zoning and, and workers and things like that. So, so it's quite challenging. And of course, rates are high. So people who are buying a lot of the buyers are, are cash buyers or able to actually pay without a mortgage because mortgages are expensive, I will say. The first problem. The longer run problem of supply is a longer run problem. The other problems associated with low rate mortgages and high rates and all that, those will abate as the economy normalizes and as rates normalize. But we'll still be left with with the housing market nationally where where there's a housing shortage.   Keith Weinhold (00:07:02) - That's Jerome Powell on real estate. And I'm surprised that he said rates are high. Do you know what the long run federal funds rate is? It is 4.6%. That's the average. And currently it is at 5.3% where it's been for a while.   Keith Weinhold (00:07:18) - So it's not that much higher than average. The 30 year mortgage long run average is 7.7% for Freddie Mac. And that's been hovering around 7% for months now. So therefore both key rates are close to normal today. But despite that fact, seemingly everyone is waiting for the fed pivot. And what the fed pivot means is when they reverse their monetary policy stance. Meaning when they start lowering rates again after the long increase cycle that we're coming off of. Well, I'm here asking why should the fed pivot in lower rates since they're near normal now? All right. Let me give you some real perspective here. Look I'm going to describe a scenario to you and tell me what you think about this. Imagine a dreamy bygone era where there happened to be this period that saw a strong national labor market, plenty of jobs, steady GDP growth, rising wages and inflation a little above normal. All right, now that you're done imagining that cloudy slice of economic Americana. Pretty rosy scenario. Well, then you might consider raising rates in a situation like that to help cool off wage and price inflation.   Keith Weinhold (00:08:37) - Well, you know what I just did? I actually just described to you where we are today. That's what today's conditions are are. Yet there's still talk of lowering rates later this year. And now you might see why I'm questioning that because the economy doesn't need the help. Sure enough, in front of that same committee, Fed Chair Jerome Powell and other fed officials, they did say that they expect interest rates to come down later this year. I hope they're not doing that for political pressure or to try to reassure the stock market. Those would not be good reasons. And dropping rates to zero at the first sign of a crisis that shouldn't become a habit. Because, look, before the 2008 crisis, when they dropped from the zero, going all the way back to at least the 1950s, maybe longer rates were never zero. That entire time, see if the fed just steps back and doesn't touch rates for a while, then it's all the longer that more free market forces can prevail. I don't know that we need to constantly tinker with rates, like a greasy guy crawling under his classic car in his garage and tinkering around with it.   Keith Weinhold (00:09:52) - Another reason the fed should lower rates, and is because it needs to hold on to some rate cut ammunition in case there's a recession. Because in a recession, one of the best tools that the fed has to cool it off is by lowering rates in order to incentivize investment in a slow economy. But see what happens. If you use up all your ammo, you already start lowering it and you're already near zero. And then we have a recession. I don't know that America is ready for negative interest rate policy like some other nations have tried. And by the way, if you earn a negative interest rate, that means that if you park your money at the bank, you have to pay them interest rather than the bank paying you interest. They get the use of your money and you have to pay them for parking it there. That's a negative interest rate. Well, recessions have a strong correlation with lowering rates. I mean, just look back historically again, history over hunches. But you know, if you don't follow this stuff, the short story of what's happened the past several months is that interest rate cuts keep being delayed because of stubborn inflation that just won't fall down to the Fed's desired 2%.   Keith Weinhold (00:11:06) - And Powell also recently said that he needed just a bit more evidence that inflation was coming back down to normal levels before he'll reduce rates, although we're not far from it. That's exactly what he said. Now, if rates go back down and it's probably when rates go back down, look for the housing market to break loose. The interest rate lock in effect will wither away, property affordability will improve, and there's a good chance then, for a strong upward jolt on property prices on those values. Last year, the. There were some studies done and it was interesting. It showed that 5.5%, that is the magic mortgage rate level that makes the real estate market want to really transact. But this year, with rates that have stayed higher longer, surveys say that level is now up into the high fives. And there is another factor. As interest rates drop, the cost of maintaining our national debt also decreases. That is part of the calculus two. Well, if you're a fed watcher, a fed speak geek, you are in luck.   Keith Weinhold (00:12:15) - Because though it's not really much of a spectator sport, and the parties at Club Fed and all their PhD economists really aren't all that lively, if you're so inclined, one of the Fed's eight annual meetings where they announce any interest rate changes happens in just two days, and then the next two meetings conclude May 1st and June 12th. If you like to track rates, especially if you're perhaps in the mortgage loan process right now, my favorite website is Freddie Mac. The mobile app that I use is the Mortgage News Daily app, coming up here on a future episode of the show. Retirement. Some wanted, some don't. Real estate might give you an early retirement option, but I'm asking the question do you want to retire? Do you ever want to retire? We're going to go deep on that. And then what even is your definition of retirement today? You could learn something about yourself on that upcoming episode about retirement here. Speaking of spectator sports,, no, this is really one either. But you could have gotten on a jet and paid for a ticket to watch me speak.   Keith Weinhold (00:13:23) - Or you can listen free next to part of the recording of that presentation of mine at the Spartan Summit from earlier. They had me kick off their event. I was their opening speaker, and I share some things with that audience that really shake people up that they've never heard before. You will hear it both at new material as we play this and some things that you've heard before here on the show. But even those things I say differently in a format like this. So straight ahead, it'll be wealth mindset first and then the real estate investing fundamentals. If I could condense the best gray content in principles into less than an hour, you know, that's pretty close to what this presentation is. You hear about the first half of it coming up straight ahead. You're listening to get Rich education. You know, I'll just tell you, for the most passive part of my real estate investing, personally, I put my own dollars with Freedom Family Investments because their funds pay me a stream of regular cash flow in returns, or better than a bank savings account, up to 12%.   Keith Weinhold (00:14:31) - Their minimums are as low as 25 K. You don't even need to be accredited for some of them. It's all backed by real estate and that kind of love. How the tax benefit of doing this can offset capital gains and your W-2 jobs income. And they've always given me exactly their stated return paid on time. So it's steady income, no surprises while I'm sleeping or just doing the things I love. For a little insider tip, I've invested in their power fund to get going on that text family to 66866. Oh, and this isn't a solicitation. If you want to invest where I do, just go ahead and text family to six, 686, six. Role under this specific expert with income property, you need Ridge lending Group and MLS 42056 in grey history, from beginners to veterans. They provided our listeners with more mortgages than anyone. It's where I get my own loans for single family rentals up to four Plex's. Start your pre-qualification and chat with President Charlie Ridge personally. They'll even customize a plan tailored to you for growing your portfolio.   Keith Weinhold (00:15:45) - Start at Ridge Lending group.com Ridge lending group.com.   Speaker 4 (00:15:55) - This is Hal Elrod, author of The Miracle Morning. And listen to get Rich education with Keith Weinhold and don't Quit Your Daydream.   Speaker 5 (00:16:16) - It is with great pleasure that I get to introduce you to our first speaker for today. He is the founder of get Rich education and host of the popular get Rich education podcast. His show has nearly 3 million listener downloads from all across the world. He also actively invest in apartment buildings, single family homes and agricultural real estate. He is a member of the Forbes Real Estate Council, and his work regularly appears in Forbes, Business Insider, and Rich Dad Advisors. Today, he's taking us back to the basics to discuss why real estate is such an attractive and solid investment option for those looking to find their own financial freedom. If you've listened to the grit Rich education podcast, then you've heard him speak. But today we are so thrilled that he's kicking off our second annual Spartan Summit. Ladies and gentlemen, here's Keith Reinhold.   Keith Weinhold (00:17:13) - Hi, my name is Keith Weinhold.   Keith Weinhold (00:17:14) - I am the founder of get Rich education. My presentation is called simply Why Real Estate? Because if you don't know why you're doing something, then you really won't care about how. And I'm really pleased to be first up here at the Spartan Summit, you're going to hear some things that you've never heard before today. For example, compound interest does not build wealth. Getting your money to work for you does not build wealth in the real world. And real estate investors, one of the first things they need to do is actually stop looking at property. So what is this financial heresy that I'm talking about? Well, I think it's going to be pretty clear to you in less than an hour's time here. It all starts with you thinking differently. You really need to open yourselves up. And I think you start to have the realization that any outsized thinker or doer, over time, did think outside the box to have that outsized impact, whether that's Thomas Edison or Jeff Bezos or Sara Blakely or Warren Buffett, they all dared to think differently.   Keith Weinhold (00:18:15) - And if you're not getting the results that you want in life, you know, maybe a great question to ask yourself is, am I thinking differently enough when you come of age in the world, whether you finish high school or college or whatever it is, you probably never really had this vision for yourself, or you're intentional and you say, yeah, I can't wait to go out there and live a small life. But then you know what? That's exactly what everyone does. Everyone goes out and lives a small life. So with thinking differently, you know, Mark Twain's got some great quotes about thinking differently. Mark Twain said, as soon as you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. Absolutely love that for Mark Twain. Mark Twain also said one of his lesser known quotes is go out on a limb. That's where the fruit is. Yeah, absolutely. Love that one. So being a conformer does not build wealth or does not have a substantial positive impact on other people.   Keith Weinhold (00:19:16) - And you know, I wouldn't suggest that you think differently or do something differently if I weren't doing that myself. I don't know that I've had the outsized impact of some of those visionaries and inventors that I mentioned earlier. I probably haven't had as many years on this earth yet as them either. But one thing I did that was different is years ago I moved from Pennsylvania, where I was born, raised, and lived much of my life to Anchorage, Alaska. Well, that was deemed by Pennsylvanians and a good part of my peer group is a strange and unusual thing to do. But I knew that a place like Anchorage fit my interests for skiing and mountaineering because I had vacationed there. That was the place for me. The first ever home that I bought of any kind. I was only a rent paying tenant up until the day I bought a fourplex building where I lived in one unit and rented out the other three. That was pretty strange. I didn't start with a single family home. I quit my job, my good paying day job with benefits for residual income from real estate.   Keith Weinhold (00:20:14) - Another strange thing to do. I launched the get Rich education podcast in the year 2014. Kind of weird talking to myself in a little room all by myself. A lot of people didn't understand what I was doing then, so those are just some examples of some different things I've done. You know, you're different things are probably going to be different, but you really don't want to be a conformer if you think about it, high school was the place where you were rewarded for fitting in. But when you become an adult, really you get rewarded when you stand out and you don't be that conformer well, we talk about my presentation called Why Real Estate? We're really taking it from philosophy all the way through to the numbers here. And years ago, I would have loved to know why real estate made ordinary people wealthy. You know, an interesting thing. I'll just tell you, when I bought that first fourplex building, I didn't even know what terms like cash flow and equity meant. I did not even know the meaning of those terms.   Keith Weinhold (00:21:13) - And here I had owned a. Substantial building a $295,000 fourplex, which is a lot for me when I was working a day job and I bought it, and I think as a layperson before I bought that building and got down this road, I kind of thought, now, how could real estate possibly make people wealthy? Because real estate only appreciates at the at about the rate of inflation over time. That's about all it does. And I found that that part's true. And then real estate, it has the elements working on it from the outside. And it has tenants like working on it and wearing it down and degrading it from the inside. So how could real estate possibly be a good investment? I didn't understand that. I tell you, it's really important for you to learn from someone that's actually doing it. That's inside and doing this thing. I'm about as active as real estate investor could possibly be. I own Single-Family rental homes, up to larger apartment buildings, even some agricultural real estate. So it's important to learn from someone that's doing it.   Keith Weinhold (00:22:16) - And this presentation is really what my ears have shown me. And we talk about how you have to think differently and be opened up. You know, interestingly, we're in what people call the information age. We have been for decades this information age. But I like to say we're really in the affirmation age because most people would rather be affirmed and comforted in what they already believe, rather than get informed with information, because it kind of shakes you up a little bit, just like you're going to be shaken up today. So I would say, don't only seek affirmation, which is what most people do, seek information as well, and then make up your own opinion. What is wealth? You know, we kind of begin with the end in mind. It's ask yourself what is? I think that there are a lot of different definitions for that. I mean, money's got to be one of the first things that come to mind. And we are talking about financial betterment here. But, you know, it seems like people that want material things more than experiences, it seems like a lot of those people that want material things get knocked and get criticized.   Keith Weinhold (00:23:21) - I don't know, like I would rather have experiences than stuff. But really the abundance mentality is why not have both experiences and stuff if they're both easily within reach? Because they really are. But I think really the best definition of wealth, it's one that I've never heard criticize once in my life is freedom. Having the ability for you to do whatever you want to do whenever you want to do it. Real wealth is having that time freedom and not having to have a job. Being job optional, you can continue to go if you want to. Wealth really is freedom. So let's talk about money and freedom and what freedom really isn't. I've actually got a really nice proposal for you. Just imagine this. Imagine you're 20 years old. I'm talking to the 20 year old version of you. I'm going to tell you that I want you to mow my lawn for me regularly, and I am going to pay you $114 an hour to mow my lawn. Pretty amazing, right? Like, doesn't that sound incredible? Yeah, that sounds like a good deal.   Keith Weinhold (00:24:29) - You'd probably be pretty excited about that. Maybe even now you'd be excited about that. Not just the 20 year old version of yourself. Sounds amazing, but could you ever really get wealthy off that? Probably not. Probably not. Because in fact, you would have to work every single hour in a year, all 8760 hours in a year just to make your first million bucks. And that ain't happening in this scenario is completely implausible. No one would really pay that much to mow the lawn, most likely. And you couldn't work every hour in a year. You couldn't eat, you couldn't sleep, nothing like that. So it's really numbers like this that I think kind of slap someone in the face if they think they can just hustle and grind their way to wealth. I really don't think that's the best way. In fact, what I would share with you is that this is the exact opposite of being wealthy. This is the opposite of growing rich in your sleep, because you have to continue to trade your time for dollars.   Keith Weinhold (00:25:32) - In order to make this work, you need to continue to sell your time for money in order to make this work. And then really, what happens when you come of age and get older and you're probably not mowing lawns for money anymore. You end up in a place that looks kind of like this. Okay? And this is the workplace. What happens in the workplace? I like to say the workplace is where you pretend to work and your employer pretends to pay you, but there's probably a pretty good chance, and I would probably call this a pre-COVID workplace. But, you know, you probably did spend most of your working years so far in a pre-COVID workplaces. People were packed in pretty tight right there that I think,, but don't worry about being in the workplace. You've got the commute to relax anyway, right? It shouldn't be so bad. You're grinding, trading your time for dollars. But also this worker here, they're doing something else that the lawn mower didn't do. Okay. We're going to say that you mowing the lawn that classified a poor person.   Keith Weinhold (00:26:31) - You had to work for money. But the middle class person here, they're also working for money. But they do have a better and higher use of their investing dollars. They're also getting some of their money to work for them in something like a 401 K or a 403 B, or a thrift savings plan, or an IRA or a 457 plan or something like that. So the middle class person here, they get some of their dollars working for them. That's significant. But look, here's the real point getting your money to work for you doesn't build wealth. And all these middle class people here, they think there couldn't possibly be anything better than me getting my money out there working for me. So I'll just leave it there. It can't get any better than having my money work for me. Well, that's not true. And I find it to be a real conundrum and paradox that people will spend tons of time learning about how work works. They spend zero time learning about how money works, but yet money is the only reason that they even go to work, which is really unusual to me.   Keith Weinhold (00:27:36) - So getting your money to work for you does not build wealth. Now, that doesn't sound too bad on the surface, but if you think about a 10% return over the long term from the S&P 500, which is about what you could expect, most people don't even consider the five deleterious drags on that 10% of inflation and emotion and taxes and fees and volatility, all five of those simultaneous drags. Now, I think some of these are easier to explain and understand than others. For example, if you have a 10% rate of return and 3% inflation, which is a long term historic term, you're already down to a 7% inflation adjusted rate of return. We haven't even subtracted out those other four things yet, and I like to look at things in really long timeline. So let's take a look at some long timelines with some returns you can expect. And therefore I also like to look at inflation in a long timeline. We'll call it 3% inflation. You've got to beat inflation substantially in order to have any real return.   Keith Weinhold (00:28:39) - And things like stocks mutual funds, ETFs just don't do it. So let's look at long timelines of let's say over 100 years here. I talked to you about the drag of inflation. Let's talk about the drag of volatility. This is little understood. Stocks are quite volatile. They go up and down. They're choppy where real estate is a substantially smoother ride. So let's look at two different lines here on this graph okay. Over the last 120 years since about the year 1900, the stock market has averaged roughly that 10% return, 6% from capital appreciation and 4% from dividends. So therefore, the Green Line, this shows capital appreciation. You're probably pretty used to seeing this. The compound return. This looks thrilling. Your mutual fund advisor loves to show you this line. This line goes like exponential. Like, who wouldn't want some of that, right? Some even believe Einstein was purported to say that compound interest is the eighth wonder of the world. So what's wrong with it? Where does it break down? Okay, well, I'm going to show you a second line.   Keith Weinhold (00:29:46) - And both of these lines show a 6% return from the year 1900, more than 120 years of returns. So the green line is what you think you got. But what did you really get with this 6%, quote unquote compounded return? You don't get this. You get this? That's what you really got. This is the deleterious effect of volatility on stock returns. You're like whoa, whoa wait. Well why why did that happen? How did that happen? The difference here is that whole effect of, let's say you have a $100 stock and it loses 50%. Now it's down to 50 bucks, but it gains back 50% the next year. Now it's only up to 75. So you've gone from $100 down to $75, even though you lost 50% in year one, say, and you gain 50% in year two. So it's really a mathematical problem. Another way to say it is that time spent making up previous losses is not the same as growing your money. It's not the same as compounding your money.   Keith Weinhold (00:30:51) - In fact, the tip of the blue line, the end of it there. Today's dollars. That's only 38% of what you get at the tip of the Green Line at what you expect to get. So a lot of investing has to do with expectations. If you expect a green line and you only get the blue line, that's when you end up like this. You know, sort of these stereotypical stock kind of photos when people can't pay the bills. And the interesting thing is we've been in a 401 K based world for 35 to 40 years now, where that's sort of the norm. People continue to end up like this, but yet they still get into 401 K's, and think getting their money to work for them is a way to build wealth. We're here and we're talking about why it isn't and that is the problem. And compound interest and compound interest does not bail people out of their income and savings problem either. Four out of five people have less than one year's worth of income, save for retirement.   Keith Weinhold (00:31:48) - This is why we have a retirement crisis today. You can't count on compound interest alone. So I would like you to imagine another pretty dreamy scenario for yourself. Okay. And this this is a pretty important exercise. This is some better news for you. I want you to think about how much money you think you're going to make, both earned and through investment returns your entire life. We'll say it's inside this vault right here. Okay. And the reason that this is some, some better news is, you know what? If you're in this room, the chances are that you're going to have a greater net worth and greater residual income than other people will. Because you've shown up here, you've shown that you're interested in this. And a lot of people, they don't think about inflation and they underestimate their life's earnings. So let's say that your entire life's net worth, accumulated assets would be the way to say it. Let's say your total accumulated assets are coming up to $8.5 million. How's that sound? $8.5 million.   Keith Weinhold (00:32:58) - That sounds pretty good, doesn't it? Wouldn't that be amazing? Now just imagine this. I'm going to give you all $8.5 million at one time. You're going to receive this all at once. How would that feel like? Wouldn't that be amazing? How fast are you going to quit your job? Hopefully you at least give the two weeks notice. Where are you going to go on vacation? Are you going to have time to care for your loved ones now, or be a volunteer at habitat for humanity? Or finally have time to be a deacon at your church? Or do whatever is important to you because you are job optional. Now with this 8.5 million delivered all at once. But wait, here's the thing I didn't tell you when the 8.5 million is being delivered to you all at once, it's all going to be delivered to you on the last day of your life. That's when you're going to get it. What do you do now? I guess you're not going to do around the world trip anymore, right? You're just saying your goodbyes to people.   Keith Weinhold (00:33:55) - It's the last day of your life. All right. What if you got 80% of this amount, then at age 80, would that be a little better or 70% at age 70? Would that be a little better? So my point is, timing matters. I don't know, what can you really do if you get 70% of it at age 70? You know, maybe when you're 73, that's the last year you can really paddleboard very well because you've had six knee surgeries by that or something. So timing really matters. So you really want to be invested in something that gives you an income stream that provides liquidity to you over time. You really ideally most want this sort of lifestyle smoothing effect where they get this income metered out to them. So liquidity really, really matters. And what helps achieve this smoothing it is those income streams. In fact, I would go as far as to say that the standard advice that you hear out there from people invest for your future, period. I'd actually say that's bad advice or incomplete advice.   Keith Weinhold (00:35:04) - Why would you only invest for your future when you can invest now for a stream of income now and not hemorrhage or sacrifice the future at all, which is really something that you can do with real estate. Build an income stream. Now, it typically appreciates faster than stocks and you didn't sacrifice the future at all., there's more bad advice out there. I think sometimes you'll hear a person say, for example, oh, pay yourself first. That means put your money in a traditional retirement plan or something like that. Pay yourself first. Wait a second. How in the world is it paying myself first if money is deducted from my paycheck when I'm, say, age 35 and I don't get that back until, say, I made 75, look what the 401 K the most popular plan in the United States. You cannot take penalty free distributions until between age 59.5 and 70.5. That's just when they begin. And you also must begin paying taxes on it at that time. So. Would you really find it a good trade if you trade away one hour of your 35 year old self? And in return, you get one hour of your 75 year old self.   Keith Weinhold (00:36:16) - Does that sound like a good trade? A lot of people that invest in these traditional retirement plans, that's really the trade that you're making. And I used to be involved in traditional retirement plans. I used to think they were the best thing until I looked at it. A lot of people talk about the benefits of delayed gratification, and I think delayed gratification. There's something implied in that being a desirable thing, that there's a positive outcome and that there's some big reward for delayed gratification. But it's definitely not guaranteed. We're not guaranteed tomorrow. So I think for one K plans, they're known as tax deferral plans. But I think you could just as easily call them life deferral plans because that's principally what they do in my opinion. So let's go back to the lawn mower. The lawn mower again, I'm classifying that as the poor or however the middle class are doing a little something different. Remember, not only were they working for money, they got some of their money to work for them, oftentimes in a retirement plan.   Keith Weinhold (00:37:14) - I guess they're symbolized by these,, what do they look like here? Construction engineers or something like that. They're middle class, the wealthy. You're doing something that the poor and the middle class aren't doing. The middle class. They get their money to work for them. What are the wealthy do? What is this guy doing right here? What does he have figured out? He knows the best and highest use of his investing. Dollar is not getting his money to work for him. It's getting other people's money to work for him. And in real estate, you can actually get other people's money to work for you three ways at the same time. And you can do it ethically. I think it's important to be ethical. You never get called a slumlord. Like, for example, my mission is to provide housing that's clean, safe, affordable and functional. You can use other people's money three ways at the same time will call this OPM Other People's money. You might have seen that abbreviation before.   Keith Weinhold (00:38:11) - You can do it three ways simultaneously with real estate. And you know, the great thing is you don't need any degree. You don't need any certification at all in order to ethically use other people's money three ways at the same time. The first way is with the bank's money. Like for example, the way I bought that first fourplex is with 3.5% of my own money, is a down payment, and I borrowed the other 96.5. So use the bank's money for the loan and leverage you use the tenant's money for that all important income stream, and for paying down your loan for you. And then the third way you use other people's money simultaneously in real estate is that you use the government's money for very generous tax incentives, like you can defer your capital gains tax endlessly. You can get a mortgage interest deduction. There's something called depreciation which shelters a portion of your rent income from ever getting taxed. Don't get your money to work for you. Or at least don't make that the focus. The focus should be on ethically getting other people's money to work for you.   Keith Weinhold (00:39:18) - And you know, I think really a concept like this harkens back to the late business philosopher Jim Rohn. Right? Jim Rohn said formal education will make you a living, but self-education will make you a fortune. So you really getting a condensed self-education right here? So let's just look at one of these three. Let's talk about that ten in income stream. That's the important one. That's the one where you build residual income. If you do want that freedom, if you do want to build enough of that residual income so that you can be job optional and do what you want to do, think about it conceptually. Think about how amazing it is that the tenant pays you what they pay you. The tenant pays completely one third of their income most of the time in rent to you one third of the time. So that is like you getting paid and that tenant going to work for you ten days every month. We'll call it the first ten days of every month just to work for you and to pay you.   Keith Weinhold (00:40:22) - Do you have any idea how amazing that is? Think about that. What other company gets one third of people's incomes and can do it at scale? Apple doesn't get one third of people's incomes. Think of all the stuff that people buy on Amazon, all those consumer products. But people still don't spend a third of their income on Amazon. So this is amazing. Like, who else gets this? Really nobody but you in real estate. So, you know, we're getting you to think differently here. This is just again one of the three ways that you can ethically employ other people's money. The others were the banks money and the government's money. We're talking about the tenants money here. All right. That was almost the first half of my presentation at the Spartan Summit. We are get rich education. So to review what you learned earlier in the show here today, keeping it real simple. High rates are for a strong economy, and low rates are for a weak economy. A fed pivot means when they reverse their monetary policy stance.   Keith Weinhold (00:41:31) - For example, going from raising rates to lowering rates. From that point where we left off on my presentation there, I go on to discuss more about the importance of cash flow, how leverage beats compound interest, inflation, property selection, properties to avoid, and more. If you'd like to watch all of that presentation, you can in entirety with the video on the get Rich education YouTube channel. Also, the link directly to that full video is in today's show notes. On the way out today, again coming up on a future episode retirement, we polled our great audience with the two you want to retire question. And we're also asking what is retirement anyway? We're discussing both of those huge questions coming up here on the show. If you'd like to hear that episode more, be sure to follow the show on your favorite podcast platform. Until next week, I'm your host, Keith Reinhold. Don't quit your day dream.   Speaker 6 (00:42:32) - Nothing on this show should be considered specific, personal or professional advice. Please consult an appropriate tax, legal, real estate, financial or business professional for individualized advice.   Speaker 6 (00:42:42) - Opinions of guests are their own. Information is not guaranteed. All investment strategies have the potential for profit or loss. The host is operating on behalf of get Rich education LLC exclusively. The.   Keith Weinhold (00:43:00) - The preceding program was brought to you by your home for wealth building. Get rich education.com.

Get Rich Education
492: Inflation is an Immoral Force

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Play Episode Listen Later Mar 11, 2024 40:20


Get our free real estate course and newsletter: GRE Letter Learn why inflation helps dishonest people and harms honest ones. I use an example of a honeymaker. Both new-build SFRs and apartment units are being shrinkflated. Landlords skimpflate by: delayed maintenance, transferring the electric bill to the tenant, adding a surcharge for storage locker use, firing the doorman, charging to park beneath the carport, or not replacing an old fridge. Instead, raising the rent is the ethical thing to do. To comfortably afford the typical US home, it took $59K in 2020 and $107K today. In a sense, you're both richer and poorer than your grandfather. Learn why investing through IRAs is a poor strategy. I compare RE market conditions from when I bought my first property in 2002 with 2024's conditions. Timestamps: Inflation and Immorality (00:01:51) Explanation of how inflation impacts the economy and the moral dilemma it creates for producers. Housing Affordability (00:04:26) Discussion on the impact of inflation on home affordability and the consequences for renters and homeowners. Rental Affordability and Apartment Shrinkflation (00:05:47) Insights into the shrinking size of new apartment units and the implications for rental affordability. Impact on Middle Class and Homeownership (00:08:29) Analysis of how inflation affects the middle class and the changing dynamics of homeownership. Affordability by Metro Area (00:11:09) Breakdown of home affordability in different metro areas and its correlation with real estate cash flow. Impact of Inflation on Wealth and Society (00:17:11) Discussion on the implications of inflation on wealth accumulation and its societal effects. Conventional Finance and IRAs (00:24:45) Brief mention of conventional investment vehicles like 401(k) and Roth IRA in relation to real estate investing. Conventional Wisdom (00:26:36) Challenges conventional financial wisdom, emphasizing real estate investment over traditional saving and budgeting. Roth IRA vs. Traditional IRA (00:27:45) Discusses the limitations and drawbacks of Roth IRAs and traditional IRAs in relation to increasing income and real estate investment. Market Timing (00:28:59) Emphasizes the importance of having a sound investment strategy and taking advantage of market conditions, using personal experience as an example. Real Estate Market Comparison (00:30:14) Compares the real estate market conditions in 2002 to those in the mid-2020s, highlighting changes in pros, neutrals, and cons. Investment Uncertainty (00:32:53) Addresses the uncertainty of investment and the need to adapt to shifting market conditions, emphasizing the importance of taking what the market offers. Property Highlights (00:34:13) Details three available investment properties in different locations, providing information on purchase price, rent, and potential cash flow. Long-Term Investment Strategy (00:36:55) Advises on the ideal holding period for rental properties and the benefits of new build properties in the current market cycle. New Build vs. Resale Properties (00:38:02) Discusses the advantages of new build properties and the potential impact of declining home price premiums on resale properties. Investment Coach Contact (00:39:12) Encourages listeners to contact investment coaches for assistance in exploring potential income properties. Disclaimer (00:39:42) Provides a disclaimer regarding the information presented in the podcast and advises consulting professionals for personalized advice. Resources mentioned: Show Page: GetRichEducation.com/491 For access to properties or free help with a GRE Investment Coach, start here: GREmarketplace.com Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Invest with Freedom Family Investments.  You get paid first: Text FAMILY to 66866 Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review”  Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com GRE Free Investment Coaching: GREmarketplace.com/Coach Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free— text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Complete episode transcript:   Speaker 1 (00:00:01) - Welcome to GRE. I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. Sure, you might find monetary inflation annoying today. Learn why inflation is even worse than you think. It is an immoral force. How bad homebuyer affordability has become by metro region. Then why conventional finance and IRAs don't move the meter in your life and more today on get rich education. When you want the best real estate and finance info. The modern internet experience limits your free articles access, and it's replete with paywalls. And you've got pop ups and push notifications and cookies. Disclaimers are. At no other time in history has it been more vital to place nice, clean, free content into your hands that actually adds no hype value to your life? See, this is the golden age of quality newsletters, and I write every word of ours myself. It's got a dash of humor and it's to the point to get the letter. It couldn't be more simple. Text gray to 66866. And when you start the free newsletter, you'll also get my one hour fast real estate course completely free.   Speaker 1 (00:01:18) - It's called the Don't Quit Your Daydream letter and it wires your mind for wealth. Make sure you read it. Text GRE to 66866. Text GRE 266866.   Speaker 2 (00:01:35) - You're listening to the show that has created more financial freedom than nearly any show in the world. This is get rich education.   Speaker 1 (00:01:51) - Welcome, Gary. From Gainesville, Florida, to Brownsville, Texas, and across 188 nations worldwide. I'm Keith Weinhold. Hold in your listening to get Rich education. I'm honored to have you here. Inflation is immoral. Now, at best, you might find what the central bank, the fed, does as annoying on the consumer level. It might even severely debase your standard of living, eroding away your one and only quality of life. But how does inflation have an immoral impact on you and the actors? In an economy? A honey maker sells his jars of honey for $20. The fed prints money like crazy. The money supply doubles well. The honey maker now has three options. Keep selling honey for $20, which is where he eats the loss and keeps providing honey for his customers at the same price.   Speaker 1 (00:02:51) - Secondly, he can water down the honey or use other inferior ingredients, which is known as skin deflation or shrink the honey jar size known as shrinkflation. The last option is to be honest and increase the honey price to $40. But if he behaves honestly, he drives away his customers and they look for honey elsewhere. So therefore, those that choose to water down the honey will outcompete the honest guy. And over time, what happens with currency debasement is the producers must now weigh their financial well-being with moral integrity. And that is the problem. This is why inflation has an immoral impact on human beings. It's also a contributor to why food quality suffered during the big wave of inflation in the 1970s and 1980s. It led to rampant obesity and prescription drugs, now comprising half of our TV commercials. All these people now walking around as near zombies that need their meds. And on top of that, somehow society has quickly come to believe that this is normalcy. Then the 2020 wave of inflation is both fueling that trend, and it's now making homes unaffordable for the middle class.   Speaker 1 (00:04:26) - As a landlord, the honest thing to do then is to raise the rent. It's not honey inflation or rent inflation because the honey maker and the landlord didn't create it. It is central bank inflation. Higher rent is simply the consequence of more dollars in circulation and simultaneously new build homes. They are indeed experiencing shrink inflation as a result of this currency inflation. I discussed the incredible shrinking size of new build single family homes with you last week, where that new home size has fallen 14% in the past decade plus or minus. Well, the average American apartment size that's falling to, yes, apartment developers in their new projects. They're cutting square footage, and they're doing that to try to contain rents. The square footage of apartment units being built has not been this small since at least last century, and maybe ever. Soaring construction cost. That means developers have got to either pass along all of those increases through into the rents, or find ways to limit rent. Or one way to do that is by building smaller units.   Speaker 1 (00:05:47) - Yes, apartment construction shrinkflation. And who can blame the builder? Because rental affordability has been of increased importance in recent years, and developers have got to be able to convince their investors and their lenders that there is going to be sufficient demand at proforma rent levels among apartment units completed in 2022. That's the most recent year available. Average unit sizes fell to 1045ft², and that is the lowest level on record for apartments. And we just got confirmation on that through the US Census Bureau figures. Yes, that is for newly built multifamily rental units that therefore apartment sizes are down 8% from just five years ago. And that number could drop a bit further when 2023 stats are released. Yes, American lifestyles are being shrink inflated. All over the place, and it is even worse for those that don't own assets. And a recent peak of apartment sized construction was 2013, when they were just over 130ft². And I told you that the latest figure here is, again, 1045ft². The Covid era really saw new build.   Speaker 1 (00:07:12) - Apartment sizes drop fast because that's when people started to split up. Like if they weren't a family. Now, when rents rise, whether that's for apartments or single family homes or self-storage units or whatever it is, most any kind of real estate, you know, when those rents rise, people try to keep from raising the rent sometimes. Now landlords, instead of raising the rent, they can instead skimp flat themselves. They can do that by delaying maintenance, transferring the electric bill to the tenant, adding a surcharge for storage locker use, firing the doorman, charging to park beneath the carport, or not replacing an old fridge. That might have given you some ideas there, but I do not advocate that. That's the best way. The bottom line is that inflation is not just a persistent economic affliction. It's an immoral force. And the ethical thing to do, like you learn with the honey maker, is raise the rent. Now, when wages don't keep up with prices, that's a problem. Let's take a look at just how bad affordability is.   Speaker 1 (00:08:29) - All right. Here is the lowest salary amount that US households need to at least earn to comfortably afford the typical priced US home. Okay, we're rounding to the nearest thousand dollars here in 2020. That figure was just 59 K. In 2024 it's 107 K. All right, 59 K in household income up to 107 K today to afford the typical US home. Astounding. That is up more than 80% in four years. But at the same time here's how bad it is. Median US household income did not keep pace. You probably figured that much. American incomes are not up 80% in the past four years, but in 2020, the household income, the median was 66 K. Today it's 81 K. Well, that's up only 23%. So the income needed to comfortably afford a home is up 80%, while the actual median income has risen just 23%. That's per Zillow. Well, who does this hurt the most? Of course, it hurts that prospective first time homebuyer, not just because they usually have entry level incomes as well, but it's because they don't have any equity to roll forward into a purchase.   Speaker 1 (00:09:58) - And when first time homebuyers never get that mortgage loan pre-approval, what happens? They have to rent. So this affordability trend is good for income property owners. And you know, this is one big reason why. For a while now, I have said that I expect the homeownership rate to fall and therefore for America to have more renters, more rental demand. Well, that has now begun to fall from 66% in Q3 last year to 65.7% in Q4 of last year, and expect a homeownership rate to keep dropping. And that share of renters in the United States to keep rising. Now, let's break down this poor affordability by city. Let's break it down by metro area. I'll start with some select lowest priced cities, and then let's work our way up to the highest price cities. And I'll tell you as we ascend, when we pass the national mark, and you're going to notice that the lowest price cities, which are the earlier ones that I mentioned here, they tend to be the better areas for real estate cash flow.   Speaker 1 (00:11:09) - Here we go. In 2020, the typical Pittsburgh home could be bought with a 35 K household income. Wow, that's low today. It takes 58 K Memphis a very popular investor city here at GRA. Maybe our top investor city that has gone from 38 K in 2020 to a 70 K household income today. And it appears that more people will have to rent in Memphis. Cleveland from 41 K up to 71 K, Birmingham 42 K up to 70 4KD. Fruit 45 up to 76. Buffalo 42 up to 77. Saint Louis 45 up to 77 Kansas City 52, up to 93 Houston 56 up to 95 San Antonio 57. Up to 95. Columbus, Ohio 52, up to 96 Chicago. Still pretty affordable for such a world class city, but the median household income required to afford the average Chicago home in 2020 was 65 K, and today it's 105 K, and then you've got that aforementioned national average, 59 K and income needed four years ago up to 107 K today Philly 61 K up to 109 Jacksonville 58 K up to 109.   Speaker 1 (00:12:46) - Minneapolis 72. Up to 114 Baltimore 70. Up to 114 Atlanta 59. Up to 115 Tampa 57. Up to 116 I mean, we're looking at more than a doubling in Tampa. Las Vegas 65 up to 120. Dallas 68. Up to 121. Phoenix 66 up to 131. We're looking at about a doubling of the household income that it takes to afford the median home in Phoenix just over the last four years. Miami 76 to 151. That's another basically a doubler there. Denver 101 up to 173. Boston 118 to 205. New York City 135 to 214. And we just got a few left here as we're getting close to the top. Seattle 120 to 214 and then the top three Los Angeles 158 K to 279 K San Francisco 220 up to 340 K today. And number one San Jose, California Silicon Valley 263 K up to 450 4k. That's how much a household needs to earn to afford the typical home in their local market. Not an extravagant home, not a home that's even above average, just the typical home in their local market, as calculated by Zillow.   Speaker 1 (00:14:31) - That's what's happened to affordability, basically since Covid began about four years ago. So some other takeaways from what I just told you about there. The correlation here is that lower priced metros often have high homeownership rates because they are more affordable. Yet, paradoxically, those places, those low cost places with high ownership rates are often the best markets for you to own rental property in due to that affordability. And this is not just true in the United States. When you look at Europe and we shared a map of this on our general education Instagram page last week, Europe also has higher homeownership rates in less expensive nations, led by Kosovo at an astounding 98% homeownership rate. Can you believe that 98% Kosovo, part of the former Yugoslavia and then Kosovo in the high ownership rate, is followed by Albania in second, Romania and third? And again, today's U.S homeownership rate is nearly 66%. And then, conversely, some of Europe's more expensive nations have the lowest homeownership rates. Switzerland is the lowest at just 42%, and that's followed by Germany in Austria, with the next lowest European homeownership rates with declining US affordability.   Speaker 1 (00:15:59) - I mean, sometimes, do you ever think that it just feels like dollars are losing all of their value? I mean, some of these figures just look like funny money anymore. If you visited U.S Debt Record recently, you'll see that our national debt keeps ticking up, nearing $35 trillion now. Now, I recently listened to two guys talking about rising prices back when they were kids and when they were kids, they thought that meant that the economy is prosperous. Have you ever thought that even as a kid, I didn't. I never thought that rising prices were some sign of economic prosperity, like when you were a kid, that pack of baseball cards going up from. $0.50 to $0.60 symbolize that economic prosperity was taking place somewhere else. I never thought that. I guess as a kid, though, I thought that if a 100 K home increased in price to 200 K, that it meant that it doubled in value, although it surely did not. I probably thought that as a kid before I understood things like inflation and leverage.   Speaker 1 (00:17:11) - But inflation is not some law of nature. Not at all. I mean, if you want to look at what happens is technology progresses. Well, of course prices should go down if we are picking apples by hand and then a machine comes along that picks apples 100 times faster, and you don't need to pay all these human harvesters anymore, well, then the price of apples should plummet. Prices should go way down as we get better at producing things. So just imagine how much higher prices would be today if there weren't these productivity gains that try to hold down the inflated prices just somewhat. My gosh. But instead, governments are incentivized to expand the money supply to pay for programs rather than tax you. What's the easiest way to pay for a $1 trillion federal infrastructure program? Just print a trillion bucks out of thin air. That way they didn't have to send you a tax bill because people don't like seeing tax bills. They didn't have to ask for your vote either. Just quietly print it. And now that they printed $1 trillion more, every single dollar that you're holding on to just got diluted.   Speaker 1 (00:18:29) - That's another reason that inflation is immoral. If you hold dollars in a savings account, fed inflation diluted it. If you hold dollars in a stockbroker as account inflation just diluted it. If you hold equity in a property, inflation just diluted it. Well what hedges you against inflation. Gold and bitcoin. They both break the government monopoly on money. That's just simply hedging yourself. And then what doesn't just hedge but help you profit from inflation. As we know that formula is income property with debt. Now the United Nations, they recognize 193 sovereign states across the world, but many with their own currency. And like I said, governments are incentivized to expand the money supply to pay for programs rather than tax you. It's not just an American thing. Everybody does it. It is just a race to the bottom with every currency, all of which eventually go to zero. Historically, they all have. Well, you and I, we actually gotten richer from our technology advancements in some ways. And at the same time, we are horror for our debased dollars by almost any standard out there.   Speaker 1 (00:19:59) - You and I are both richer than our grandfathers were. The technology is better. The iPhone in your pocket would blow away your grandfather or your great grandfather. But back in my grandfather's day. See, here's the difference. He could pay for both of his kids to go to college and do it without student loans. Grandpa could easily find a job in a factory, bought a house. His wife didn't have to work. He supported his kids. His wife was home so she could take care of the house and kids. We have lost that. That wave of high inflation in the 70s and 80s made it so that both parents had to soon work, eroding the nuclear family. Inflation destroys families because wages often don't keep up. When you have these ways of inflation, both parents work and the wife cooks last, meaning even more obesity. And now, in this era of inflation, the 2020s, the first time homebuyer has instead become the renter so that the median age of the first time homebuyer is now 36, per the Nar, which I think I mentioned on a show last year.   Speaker 1 (00:21:13) - And that number looks to be going higher. So the American dream, owning your home, it looks like that soon won't even begin until you're near 40. And it's not just a result of government inflation. Government regulation has driven up the cost of doing business, hence why the prices are so high. You're seeing more and more evidence of inflation widening this chasm between the haves and the have nots. I mean, Macy's, the department store they recently announced. Plans to reorganize their stores around this hollowing out of the middle class businesses are reacting, and inflation is the problem. In fact, it made a lot of news a few weeks ago. You might have seen this story where, gosh, can you believe that a public figure would say this out loud? Kellogg CEO Gary Pinnick commented on how Americans are dealing with high grocery prices when he was quoted as saying, cereal for dinner is something that is probably more on trend now. And he got blasted for it. From malnutrition to family erosion to unaffordable homes, inflation from the central bank is the culprit and it's reached levels of immorality.   Speaker 1 (00:22:35) - More straight ahead. I'm Keith Whitehouse and you're listening to episode 492 of get Rich education. You know, I'll just tell you, for the most passive part of my real estate investing, personally, I put my own dollars with Freedom Family Investments because their funds pay me a stream of regular cash flow in returns, or better than a bank savings account, up to 12%. Their minimums are as low as 25 K. You don't even need to be accredited for some of them. It's all backed by real estate and that kind of love. How the tax benefit of doing this can offset capital gains and your W-2 jobs income. And they've always given me exactly their stated return paid on time. So it's steady income, no surprises while I'm sleeping or just doing the things I love. For a little insider tip, I've invested in their power fund to get going on that text family to 66866. Oh, and this isn't a solicitation. If you want to invest where I do, just go ahead and text family to six, 686, six.   Speaker 1 (00:23:47) - Role under the specific expert with income property you need. Ridge lending Group Nmls 42056. In gray history from beginners to veterans, they provided our listeners with more mortgages than anyone. It's where I get my own loans for single family rentals up to four Plex's. Start your pre-qualification and chat with President Charlie Ridge personally. They'll even customize a plan tailored to you for growing your portfolio. Start at Ridge Lending group.com Ridge lending group.com. Hi, this is Russell Gray.   Speaker 2 (00:24:27) - Co-host of the Real Estate Guys radio show, and you're listening to get Rich education with Keith Reinhold. Don't quit your day dream.   Speaker 1 (00:24:45) - Welcome back to Jewish Education where we are day trading. We are decade trading. I'm your host, Keith Reinhold. As we approach springtime before your tenant considers moving out, this is the time to remind them of the cost of moving. I've seen landlords effectively do this with a well worded letter. If you're raising the rent, this could accompany that notice. Tell them how costly moving is, because tenants often don't realize that until it's too late.   Speaker 1 (00:25:16) - And moving is also one of the most stressful things that a human can do. Vacancy and turnover are your biggest expense, so you should consider doing this before your tenant makes moving plans, because by then it's too late. Andrew Carnegie said that 90% of all millionaires become so through owning real estate. I could still believe that 90% figure today. But sadly, Carnegie's quote wasn't quite inflation proofed, and I'm sure he would admit that if he were alive today, a net worth of $1 million today does not make you rich. Millionaire. Yeah, not a wealth marker, but it probably means that you aren't poor. But yeah, a millionaire is no longer that aspirational. multi-Millionaire might not be a net worth of $2 million or more if you're under, say, 60, a $2 million net worth, that probably means that you better keep doing something to generate income. Here at gray, we probably spend less than 5% of our content, or even less than 2% of our content here, describing what most people think of conventional investment vehicles like, say, a 401 K or a Roth IRA.   Speaker 1 (00:26:36) - Instead, we follow something more like what Andrew Carnegie said, because being conventional, it just doesn't get you anywhere. And trimming your expenses, that really doesn't move the meter much in your life, unless you do enough of it to make you miserable. Saving money by getting your haircut at home is not going to build financial freedom. How many at home haircuts would you need in order for that to happen? There's no number. Neither will finding a way to get a free Thanksgiving turkey, or saving $90 on a flight itinerary by adding a layover and losing three hours of your time. That's not respecting your own time. So this is why we don't talk about conventional stuff here. Savers lose wealth, stock investors maintain wealth, and real estate investors build wealth. But now really, why else don't we discuss something like the benefits of a Roth IRA or comparing them to a traditional IRA? The main difference there being with a Roth you fund with post-tax dollars, meaning that you pay the tax today versus a traditional IRA where you pay the tax later rather than now.   Speaker 1 (00:27:45) - Well, you can't draw the funds penalty free until you're older, for one thing. And also, if you're under age 50, you can only contribute $7,000 a year to an IRA, and it's a care year if you're over 50. It doesn't move the meter in your life. And also, since we're a show about increasing your income, not cutting your expenses in a don't live below your means, grow your means vein. Well, this year's Roth IRA income limits are 161 K for single tax filers in 240 K for those married filing jointly. All right. Well, if you are not there at that income level yet, you are targeting exceeding those limits. So you won't be qualifying to participate anyway. Even if you had wanted to 401 K's in IRAs, they take money out of your pocket every month and every year. And I said with income property, you made a plan to put more money, tax advantaged money in your pocket every month and year. And this is all why I frown on budgeting, too.   Speaker 1 (00:28:59) - Now, one classic investor axiom that makes a little more sense to me is that you can't time the market. This is precisely why time in the market beats timing the market. Another phrase you've surely heard. I think that another way to say this is take what you've been given. Yeah. In general, once you've got a sound strategy, take what you've been given. The epiphany of real estate pays five ways is a motivator to adding more property. For example, when I bought my first property, yes, that modest and seminal Blue fourplex in 2002, there were pros and cons to buying 22 years ago. Just like there always are. Well, what I did is I took what I was given because I begin to understand how real estate could benefit me. And do you want to know what the market conditions were like back then? Let's look at this and compare this to today's income property market. This will be really interesting. What are the big factors that have changed in 22 years? Well, back in 2002 there were pros, neutrals and cons to buying.   Speaker 1 (00:30:14) - Then back then the pros were a good rent price ratio and I got a historically low six and 3/8 mortgage rate. Yes, I still remember that the neutral back then was an average vacancy rate, and the cons back in 2002 were low inflation, a high housing supply. The fact that I had made a $295,000 full price offer for that fourplex, which felt high at the time. I asked the owner if he'd come down and he said no. And another con is that I own in a small metro area, Anchorage, which was more vulnerable to economic change. That's something that I didn't even realize at the time. And another con to me, buying back then, as successfully as that turned out, was weak. Future demographics. Tenants quickly vacated because it was so easy for them to get first time homebuyer loans, liar loans amidst that loose lending environment. So right there were the pros, neutrals and cons in the marketplace. When I first started out taking what I was given, I took what the market gave me and became a profiteer.   Speaker 1 (00:31:32) - Once I had a strategy. Now this current environment, let's look at it. It could very well be better than when I started out. Here's what the market is giving investors here in the middle of the 2020s decade. The pros are low vacancy, higher inflation, though I would not call it high any longer. Another pro low housing supply. The polar opposite of when I begin there is strong future demographic demand. And another pro is like I've been touching on earlier here in that first part of the show, this dreadful first time homebuyer affordability. And what that does is that increases tenancy duration. Those are the pros today. The neutrals are strict loan underwriting and historically average interest rates okay. So those are both neutral conditions. And then the cons today are lower rent to price ratios and higher insurance premiums. So there they are. They're the progression of pros neutrals and cons in the real estate market. Since I bought my first property in 2002, one has got to own assets. When the middle class is hollowing out, it's caving in.   Speaker 1 (00:32:53) - No one wants to end up as desperate as Google's. I struggling to catch up with Microsoft and OpenAI. We don't want that to happen. And uncertainty. As you think about the future and growing your portfolio, you know, uncertainty that is an ever present condition with zero antidote. Uncertainty will only disappear when the world ends. These factors oppose neutrals and cons. They constantly shift. And in fact, life is about not knowing. The only safe years of your life are past years. Live in the question. Take what you've been given. That's the message here. Like I discussed last week, investor purchases are breaking records in today's environment. And speaking of today's market conditions, let me give you something tangible that you can really sink your teeth into with some real property addresses. These are ones that you find at Gray Marketplace. Let me start with the most expensive one first in San Antonio, Texas. It is a 2024 new build fourplex for a price of $1,100,000. Yeah. Hey, big spender, $1.1 million.   Speaker 1 (00:34:13) - The rent is $7,580. Class A neighborhood 5000ft², three bed, two baths per unit. Gosh, I wish this would have been my first ever fourplex. Mine was two beds, one baths, and when I bought it, it was about 20 years old. Well, the interest rate on this new build San Antonio fourplex is 4.25%. You need to use the seller preferred lender for that you're down. Will be $275. Projected monthly cash flow is $1,413. The second property is at 16 1027 Street Northeast in Canton, Ohio. Yes, canton, Ohio, the home of the Pro Football Hall of Fame, which I visited about five years ago. This is a single family rental in canton. The price is 130 K. The rent is 1125 B class neighborhood 1100 and four square feet. It was built in 1952. It has three beds in one bath. 33 K is the down payment, $279 of projected monthly cash flow. And then the last one that I'll detail here is 8700 East 79th Terrace in Kansas City, Missouri.   Speaker 1 (00:35:35) - It's also a single family rental 213 K purchase price. The rent on it is 1875. And gosh, that is a really good rent to price ratio. They're almost 9/10 of 1% here in Kansas City. B is the neighborhood class. It's 1180 eight square feet built in 1967, four beds, two baths. And it is a down payment of 53 K down with a projected monthly cash flow of $449 there in this Kansas City single family rental. Now you don't want to count on rent increases, but rents in the Midwest are now rising faster than any other region in the whole nation. And that's not hard to do, by the way, because in most U.S. regions, rents are hardly rising at all today. Now, as far as homes built in the 50s and 60s, although it's still good for you to mark more for maintenance expenses on properties of that age. You recall that I said earlier that you're likely doing more decade trading than day trading with these rehabbed or new build investor homes and 7 to 10 years.   Speaker 1 (00:36:55) - That's typically how long you want to plan on holding for, because by that time, or even earlier, it might have been as little as three years here recently. But by that time, sufficient equity has built up so that you want to sell in order to keep your return high and trade up tax free. Well, you only need new or rehabbed systems or components, therefore, to last 7 to 10 years, and you're typically selling the property before you need anything like a new roof or new Hvac. I personally don't believe I've ever held any rental property for more than ten years now, as I gave details of those three available properties there. This really is a time in the market cycle for you to consider new build properties. If you can swing the higher price, and that's for a lot of reasons you probably realize. The first one is that because builders are still buying your rate down for you to under 6%, you saw their with that San Antonio new construction fourplex, how a builder is buying down your rate to 4.25.   Speaker 1 (00:38:02) - Gosh, another trend that's been developing is the new home price. Premium over resale property seems to have declined substantially in the US, but builders just cannot keep doing these rate buy downs forever. Once rates go down, they're going to have less incentive to do them. For one thing, there won't be a need there. And also see, it depends on the builder, but a lot of builders, they bought land back in 2021 that they're only building on today, and those builders got to pay lower 2021 prices for that land that they're now building on. Will in a year or two, when builders are selling property where they had to buy the land in 2023, that is going to be reflected in higher prices in a year or two. So go new build if you can swing it. If not, you've got your 7 to 10 year hold strategy for resale properties, and that's 7 to 10 year hold. Strategy also applies to new builds on a scarce asset that everyone is going to need all 340 million Americans.   Speaker 1 (00:39:12) - And if any of these income properties or ones like those seem interesting to you, go ahead and contact your gray investment coach. If you don't have one, they'll help you for free. And our coaches really just make it easy for you. You can book a time right on their calendar, set up a friendly zoom or phone call, and strategize at Gray marketplace.com. Until next week, I'm your host, Keith Weintraub. Don't quit your day dream.   Speaker 3 (00:39:42) - Nothing on this show should be considered specific, personal or professional advice. Please consult an appropriate tax, legal, real estate, financial or business professional for individualized advice. Opinions of guests are their own. Information is not guaranteed. All investment strategies have the potential for profit or loss. The host is operating on behalf of get Rich education LLC exclusively.   Speaker 4 (00:40:11) - The preceding program was brought to you by your home for wealth building. Get rich education.com.

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Others quietly fund a savings account for you with every income property that you own.  This is known as your ROA, your Return on Amortization. Primary residence owners don't have this benefit. Tenants rent a property from you. To own the property, you got to “rent” the money from the bank. Landlord tipflation: have you ever asked your tenant for a tip? I don't recommend it. Integrity: Now that the statistics are in, I follow up on my 2023 Home Price Appreciation (HPA) Forecast. See how it went. When measuring HPA, I explain why I use existing home prices, not new home prices. The size of a new-build home has shrunk 12-15% in just the last decade. Learn about the surprising correlation between rents and home prices. Be honest. Is it completely different that what you thought? Redfin just reported that real estate investor purchases are breaking records. Find the right income property for building your wealth. Our GRE Investment Coaches provide you with free guidance at GREmarketplace.com.  Timestamps: Welcome to Get Rich Education (00:00:01) Introduction to the episode and a brief overview of the topics covered. The Benefits of Real Estate Investing (00:01:58) Discusses the benefits of investing in real estate, including equity growth, cash flow, tax benefits, and inflation profiting. Tenant-Made Equity Growth (00:02:47) Explains how tenants contribute to the landlord's equity growth through monthly principal pay down. Landlord Tip Inflation (00:06:39) Compares the lack of tipping in the landlord-tenant relationship to other service interactions and discusses the concept of "landlord tip inflation." Review of Home Price Appreciation Forecast (00:09:06) Reviews the accuracy of previous home price appreciation forecasts and discusses the factors influencing the real estate market. Use of Existing Home Sales Numbers (00:13:01) Explains the rationale for using existing home sales numbers in home price appreciation forecasts and discusses the trend of new home construction. Impact of Population Growth on Real Estate (00:17:03) Highlights the impact of population growth on real estate prices and rental demand, emphasizing the significance of demographics in real estate investing. Special Episode Announcement (00:21:33) Announces the upcoming special episode 500 and expresses gratitude to listeners, particularly those from Colombia. Listener Guest Invitation (00:22:43) Encourages listeners to share their experiences and the impact of the show on their lives, inviting them to become guest speakers on the podcast. The surprising correlation between rents and home prices (00:26:07) The correlation between the direction of rents and home prices, and how they move together. Investor purchases breaking records (00:29:21) Insights on the increasing investor purchases, housing shortage, and the impact on the real estate market. Real estate anniversary (00:32:11) Keith Weinhold's heartfelt reflection on his parents' 50th anniversary in the same home, emphasizing the significance of providing people with a home. Commitment and growth in real estate investing (00:33:46) Encouragement to commit to real estate investing, learn, grow your portfolio, and build your empire. Conclusion and disclaimer (00:37:10) Disclaimer and conclusion of the podcast episode. Resources mentioned: Show Page: GetRichEducation.com/491 For access to properties or free help with a GRE Investment Coach, start here: GREmarketplace.com Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Invest with Freedom Family Investments.  You get paid first: Text FAMILY to 66866 Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review”  Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com GRE Free Investment Coaching: GREmarketplace.com/Coach Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free— text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Complete episode transcript:   Keith Weinhold (00:00:01) - Welcome to GRE. I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. Today, get in on a savings account that others fund for you. Landlord Tip Foundation a follow up to see how my last home price appreciation forecast actually performed. The surprising way that rents correlate with home prices. Investors are now feeling a record share of property buys and a heartwarming 50 year anniversary that I'm in awe of today. An get rich education. When you want the best real estate and finance info. The modern internet experience limits your free articles access, and it's replete with paywalls. And you've got pop ups and push notifications and cookies. Disclaimers are. At no other time in history has it been more vital to place nice, clean, free content into your hands that actually adds no hype value to your life? See, this is the golden age of quality newsletters, and I write every word of ours myself. It's got a dash of humor and it's to the point to get the letter. It couldn't be more simple. Text gray to 66866.   Keith Weinhold (00:01:17) - And when you start the free newsletter, you'll also get my one hour fast real estate course completely free. It's called the Don't Quit Your Daydream letter and it wires your mind for wealth. Make sure you read it. Text gray to 66866. Text gray 266866.   Corey Coates (00:01:42) - You're listening to the show that has created more financial freedom than nearly any show in the world. This is get rich education.   Keith Weinhold (00:01:58) - Welcome to GRE, from Italy's Sorrento Peninsula to America's Florida peninsula and across 188 nations worldwide. You're listening to the 491st consecutive weekly installment of the get Rich education podcast. I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. And when you invest in real estate with a strategy, which is what we've discussed here for over nine years, you can't help but be a profiteer, even a wild profiteer. It might feel like so much money is falling out of the sky that you might need an umbrella to keep yourself from being hit with it. Raining Benjamins. In fact, with one of the five ways that you expect to be simultaneously paid. All right, let's not focus on the equity growth here, which has been torrid the last four years.   Keith Weinhold (00:02:47) - Not the cash flow, which has been slowed lately, not the tax benefits or the inflation profiting benefit. What else is there that ROA you return on when we talk about so much money falling out of the sky that you catch a case of affluenza, that ROA, it's really one of your quieter profit centers. It is like a savings account that someone else is funding for you. Let's say that you check in at your table of your typical mortgage income property, and it shows that it has $400 of monthly principal pay down. All right. Well, imagine if you had a number of economic actors say you own six rental properties, and then you've got six tenants, six economic actors, perhaps people that you've never met. And all six of them are putting 400 bucks a month into a savings account with your name on it. That is $28,800 a year. That goes into your quote unquote, savings account. Yeah, nearly 30 K a year that your net worth is growing by that you hardly even think about.   Keith Weinhold (00:04:02) - And it's all just part of the profitable background noise that you hardly even hear, along with your leverage depreciation, cash flow taxes and inflation, profiting your tenant builds up your equity. This way, even if your property didn't appreciate at all. And again, in your own primary residence, your ROA is zero because you had to work to pay down your principal, your tenants not doing it for you. Now, this account that they're funding for you, it's not as liquid as a savings account, but it's perhaps more like an old bank CD, a certificate of deposit. It's your money, but you can't access it. In a couple minutes. You would need to do a sale, or you could do a cash out refinance and then it's yours. Your ROA is your tenant made annual principal pay down divided by your equity. Okay. And what if you had more and larger properties? Then this small example I gave you the quietly increases your net worth nearly 30 K every single year. Well, a lot of investors have more or a larger properties where you might have 300 K in annual principal pay down alone.   Keith Weinhold (00:05:22) - The more rental properties you own, the more tenants you have that month in, month out. Every single month they fund a low liquidity savings account with your name on it. And think about it. How did you get in this advantageous position? Well, first you educated yourself. You'll know that they will rent the property from you. And how did you get the property? You don't own an outright. That typically implies too much opportunity cost to have the entire value of your property tied up and paid off. Although they rent the property from you, you got to rent 80% of the money from the bank to buy the property with reap the reward, and you might have to use that umbrella to avoid getting rained on. With the financial windfall. And residential real estate investors have been feeling the rain pouring down for the last three four years. Many commercial real estate investors with short term mortgages don't feel the same way now when you're paid five ways, which has been enhanced by inflation since 2021, you don't really need tip inflation.   Keith Weinhold (00:06:39) - Hunt up of that. In fact, have you ever asked your tenant for a tip, or has a tenant ever paid you a tip for providing housing for them? I wouldn't expect it. It hasn't happened to me. In fact, I've never heard of it. But if. If so, tell us about it right into us at get Rich education. Com slash contact. That's our contact page. A tip for your landlord. Now, think about it this way. You've got all these people asking for tips, really, since the pandemic began. And that's when it really heated up. And then the pandemic receded. And yet the tip requests persist. Baristas, delivery people, fast food workers and the parade of other micro interaction participants that you encounter throughout the day. Those people have no shame in asking you for a tip, and that's even if the service is poor. Now, I'm not saying that you should or shouldn't tip them, but they are micro interaction participants in your life because they're just handing you a coffee, or they're handing you another drink that has too many ice cubes in it.   Keith Weinhold (00:07:55) - On the other hand, what you do is you provide tenants with the roof over their head 30 days in a row, 24 hours a day. By buying the property, you educated yourself. You sunk in a down payment. You build up your own good credit to get a loan to provide housing for a stranger. Well, I guess you'll be asking your tenant a new question each month. Would you like to tip me 18%, 20%, or 25%? Landlord tip inflation? No, I doubt that you're really going to do that. But this is the case that compared to the service level from vendors that you interact with at a lower economic level, you sure could ask for this landlord tip inflation. Let me know if it's ever happened to you now, starting at the end of 2021, near the end of each year here on the show, I have provided you with a home price appreciation forecast for the following year. Well, we have got the results now from last year, so let's check the performance.   Keith Weinhold (00:09:06) - And yeah, don't you wish everyone that made predictions or forecast they reliably review them and followed up with how they actually performed. That's what we're going to do here. Now there are some things that I don't like to predict. In fact, I was the guest on Tom Wheelwright's show at the end of last year as his 2024 Real estate predictions expert. And if you watch that, he really had to press me to get my mortgage rate forecast. I told him back then that 6% by the end of the year was my best guess. But that's all it was not formulaic, not a forecast, and not a 100% confidence level at all. So when we talk about Gray's home price forecasts and our track record, let me share a little context with you here. First, so many other people, including some expert peers that I actually respect. They really got home price appreciation so wrong in this era, especially in 2021. That's when many forecast a home price crash 2021. That's the year we had the highest home price appreciation in a long time, nearly 20% nationally.   Keith Weinhold (00:10:23) - And of course, I have never called for any national home price downturn at all, even a mild one. I'm on record here on the show back in 2020 and 2021. That is when I shared the fact that, look, this administration, our elected officials, whether you like them or not, for better or for worse, they don't want to see people kicked out of their homes and living on the street back then. Remember, like mortgage loan forbearance. But at the end of 2021, I forecast a cooling down of home price appreciation. And I told you then that I expected 9 to 10% for 2022. And at the end of 2022, the result was indeed 10% home price appreciation. And then at the end of 2022, we had already seen mortgage rates spike two and a half times from their lows. And again, many said that was going to catch up with us so that in 2023, home prices would just have to sink. No, they didn't sink. That's when I told you that the only housing crash was going to be a supply crash, and the higher mortgage rates actually correlate with higher home prices, not lower ones.   Keith Weinhold (00:11:39) - That's what historically happens. And I said right here on the show that home prices absolutely can't crash. In fact, they won't fall at all. So 0% was my forecast for last year. No gain, no loss. We now have the number in. Only for last year. Yes, real estate statistics can move slower than an Alaskan glacier. Well, it affirmed that indeed, prices didn't fall. They came in up 3.5% last year. That's the result. We'll round it up to 4%. And we maintain a consistent data set here. The same measuring stick. And that is the Anna's national median single family existing home price. Let me just add that of course I'm neither omniscient nor clairvoyant. I'm giving you the best information my research can provide. It is surely possible that I'll get it wrong sometime. I just haven't yet. Now. And you learn something about real estate here. Why do I use only the existing single family home number? Therefore, why exclude no new build homes? Well, in short, this is how you better compare apples to apples.   Keith Weinhold (00:13:01) - New home construction changes over time. And in fact, the trend for the last decade is that new build homes are shrinking in size and are also being built closer together to each other when they're constructed. So you can see how this disrupts the apples to apples comparison. Ten years ago, the existing single family home was about 1600 square feet and is still 1600 today. But ten years ago, a new build, single family home was about 20 300ft². And it's just 2000ft² today, or 2036 to be exact. So yeah, new build sizes have shrunk 12 to 15% in just the last decade. So this is why I use existing home numbers. And by the way, this shrinking trend, this is the opposite of the early 2000 trend. When you saw a super sizing of homes about 20 years ago, that's when the term McMansion really increased in popularity there about 20 years ago. But it's the opposite now. The shrinking new home trend looks to pick up steam because, like I talked about a few weeks ago, affordability is down.   Keith Weinhold (00:14:19) - Remember, it's worse than it's been since George Jefferson was on television 40 years ago. Don't let's not play The Jeffersons theme music again. The deluxe apartment in the Sky. We played that two weeks ago. Moving on up to the East side. I think that's the music that meant Manhattan's Upper East Side. For those uninitiated on that, that has long been one of New York City's most affluent neighborhoods. Yes. Then the Jeffersons were also funding their landlords return on amortization and more. But getting back to today's new home construction, you can. Therefore, you could say that homes are experiencing shrinkflation today from about 2300ft² to 2000ft² in just a decade, and you can easily see that falling below 2000ft² within two years here. Yes, that type of shrinkflation is more impactful than you paying the same for your shrinking jar of prego spaghetti sauce. Now that you understand why existing home sales numbers are used in Jerry's Home price depreciation forecasts sourced by the Nar, you'll recall that at the end of last year, I forecast 4% home price appreciation for this year.   Keith Weinhold (00:15:43) - We'll check back on that in one year's time. Now, that's amidst the fact that I understand we've got high asset prices all over the place right now, almost everywhere you look, a record high US stock market near record highs in Bitcoin and near record highs in home values. Yes, more home price appreciation is likely. In fact, real estate investor purchases are breaking records. I've got more to tell you about that later. In fact, there is even more fuel being poured out of the housing record right now. And this was breaking news a couple of weeks ago in our Don't Quit Your Daydream newsletter. So if you're a reader, you saw it. And that is the fact that population growth drives real estate prices and rents. News broke that we just experienced the largest one year population increase in all of American history, with an astounding 3.8 million. Our population was up 3.8 million people last year, more than ever in previous census estimates of a 1.6 million person increase had underestimated immigration flows. This was reported in Newsweek and elsewhere.   Keith Weinhold (00:17:03) - Now, look, I've been directly investing in real estate since 2002, and I have rarely encountered a supply demand inflection point like this that requires such attention from you, locating an available property that is already more elusive than finding the missing car keys, and it's going to get even more scarce. This has the appearance of an astounding real estate investment window that we are now entering. See, in most asset classes, the future is largely unknown. Like in stocks, futures markets, derivatives, bonds, crypto, gold, oil, all kinds of other commodities. There are so many unknowns there. And real estate has unknowns too. But there are no three giant certainties for residential real estate in America going forward. Number one is more inflation. Number two is a prolonged scarce housing supply. And thirdly, it is astoundingly good demographics that fuel more demand. This third one is newer. And this is what I'm highlighting here. The demographics were already good, but it's just been turned up another notch. All three of these things are inevitable, and so many people try to predict the future and they fail.   Keith Weinhold (00:18:30) - But these three profitable real estate tailwinds for investors are as assured. I mean, there is a third. Is you forgetting someone's name immediately after they introduce themselves? Yeah. The way to get around that is to recite their name back out loud as soon as you meet them. But what I'm getting at is that this is not hyperbolic to call this potentially a once in a decade opportunity. Other high income countries like Japan and so much of Western Europe, they are sweating buckets, thinking about how their nation's aging populations are sending them over a demographic cliff. And besides just the magnitude of the population growth, again, the biggest one year increase in American history, understand that America's largest group of immigrants are working age producers aged 25 to 54, and they are overwhelmingly renters, not homeowners. So this is your surge in rental demand and this immigration surge. It may or may not last, depending on policy, regulation and the presidential election outcome late this year., you know, Jeff Bezos discussed this one time.   Keith Weinhold (00:19:55) - He discussed about how everyone wants to know the future and understand this. You already know more about the future than what you think, whether it's about your future business life or your investing life or your family life, or the way that you're thinking about technology in autonomous cars or flying cars, in machine learning and artificial intelligence, you know, with things that a lot of people, they ask themselves a question about the future, and they ask, what will be different in ten years? Well, there's nothing wrong with that question. In fact, it's a perfectly good question. But instead, ask yourself the opposite. What will be the same in ten years? Yeah. What will be the same in ten years? Now, black swans aside, in real estate investing, it is indeed those three things more inflation, a prolonged scarce housing supply, and astoundingly good demographics for rental demand. That's what will be the same. And now you have the basis for a sustainable wealth strategy. The bottom line is that even if it comes to a sudden stop, the addition of an all time record 3.8 million Americans in one year, that has left an indelible mark on real estate demand, the economy, and nearly all of society.   Keith Weinhold (00:21:33) - Residential real estate investors are going to own a scarce asset that everyone will need. You're listening to get resuscitation. It's episode 491, and that means that we're just nine weeks away from what is going to be a special, unforgettable episode 500. It's an episode that you probably want to listen to more than one. Coming up in two months on May 6th. And I'll tell you, I really know how to put the performance pressure on myself for May 6th, don't I?, hey, I really want to give a shout out to our great listeners in Columbia. Last month, I spent nine days in Colombia and eight days in Ecuador exploring a coffee farm, checking out urban sites and doing some Andes mountaineering, taking in the best of steak, coffee, chocolate and fruits to. And I've got to say, when Colombians learned that I was there, you Colombians were amazing at reaching out, making me feel welcome, telling me how the show has helped you. Ecuador. And it wasn't quite the same. I love you and your beautiful nation, but frankly, I didn't hear much from the Ecuadorian listeners.   Keith Weinhold (00:22:43) - I don't know why there was a big difference there, but I'm appreciative of some of the South American listenership for a show that's based on about 95% US real estate here. Speaking of listeners and the show, at times, we have listeners here on the show. If gray has impacted your life and you'd like to come on the show and tell us about it, I and our audience like hearing from you and how an abundance mindset and real estate investing has changed your life right into us. At our contact page again, get rich education. Com slash contact and tell us about yourself. We've had some really cool listener guests here on the show, like Grammy Award winning music producer Blake La Grange, the inventor of a home fitness system, Sean Finnegan, and even my former coworker that used to have a neighboring cubicle right next to me, back when I had a day job in a fertile who became a listener. If you think you're just maybe a boring accountant with a spouse and two kids, but Jerry has influenced you, well, you're exactly who we want to hear from a write in and let us know.   Keith Weinhold (00:23:53) - Coming up next, hear the surprising correlation between rents and home prices. Then investor purchases are breaking records in more. I'm Keith Weinhold, you're listening to get rich education. You know, I'll just tell you, for the most passive part of my real estate investing, personally, I put my own dollars with Freedom Family Investments because their funds pay me a stream of regular cash flow in returns, or better than a bank savings account, up to 12%. Their minimums are as low as 25 K. You don't even need to be accredited for some of them. It's all backed by real estate and that kind of love. How the tax benefit of doing this can offset capital gains and your W-2 jobs income. And they've always given me exactly their stated return paid on time. So it's steady income, no surprises while I'm sleeping or just doing the things I love. For a little insider tip, I've invested in their power fund to get going on that text family to 66866. Oh, and this isn't a solicitation.   Keith Weinhold (00:25:01) - If you want to invest where I do, just go ahead and text family to 66866. Role under this specific expert with income property, you need. Ridge lending Group NMLS 42056. In gray history from beginners to veterans, they provided our listeners with more mortgages than anyone. It's where I get my own loans for single family rentals up to four Plex's. Start your pre-qualification and chat with President Caeli Ridge personally. They'll even customize a plan tailored to you for growing your portfolio. Start at RidgeLendingGroup.com. RidgeLendingGroup.com.   Matt Bowles (00:25:48) - Hey, everybody, this is Matt Bowles from Maverick Investor Group. You're listening to Get Rich Education with Keith Weinhold. And don't quit your daydreaming.   Keith Weinhold (00:26:07) - Welcome back to Get Rich Education. I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. As I like to say, history over hunches, it's easy to have a hunch about how something works in real estate. But take a look at history and see what really happens. History over hunches. So to that point, you might be surprised at the correlation between the direction of rents with respect to home prices.   Keith Weinhold (00:26:31) - Now, the cost of rent has grown over the last 12 years. That's not news to anybody, but many think that rents and home prices move inversely. If demand for home purchases falls, then rents rise, right? No. Instead, they move together. When rents move up, home prices tend to move up to. Rents rose gradually from 2012 to 2020, and they rose rapidly since 2020. Well, home prices, they behaved in a similar way. They also rose modestly from 2012 to 2020, and they rose rapidly since then. Rinse and home prices have therefore been positively correlated. And in fact, I've been investing long enough to remember that when the home price bubble burst from 2008 to 2010, where rents fell a little. Then to an underscore my point some more, both rents and prices bottomed together around 2011. Yes, I think most real estate investors believe that this positive correlation is less likely than that. A movie about Barbie could ever reach $1 billion in sales. Well, that happened too.   Keith Weinhold (00:28:01) - So I simply look at what really occurs when I do my research. It's history over hunches, and that's why these should not be mind blowing discoveries. Just look at what really happens. So if your tenant balks that rents are rising, well, you know what? Home prices are probably rising to the bottom line here with rents and prices being correlated, is that whether it's to rent or own, wait a million homes when the economy grows, that is the real history over any other hunch. Now, as a wealth building show here I am empowering you with the information that you need to improve yourself. You can't follow the herd. You've got two choices. Either you can be a conformer or you can build wealth. Your wealth is not coming from anyone else. Chances are a rich uncle won't be helping you. In fact, getting an inheritance remains a rarity in the US yet as of 2022, data from the Federal Reserve shows only about a fifth of American households had ever received an inheritance at all. And it gets worse.   Keith Weinhold (00:29:21) - According to NYU, the most common inheritance amount is between 10,000 and $50,000. Yeah, that's enough to fund your life for one average month, or maybe one good month, depending on how you're living. The good news is that great listeners and others are getting the message, because last month, Redfin reported that real estate investor purchases are breaking records. Yes, investors bought 26% of the country's most affordable homes in the latest quarter ended, and that is the highest share on record ever. We've got all these on record ever sort of things that we're talking about on the show today. Yes, Redfin let us know that low priced homes are increasingly attractive to investors in today's environment. Redfin agents in Florida and California report that investors are the ones hungry for homes, but they can't find properties to purchase due to an ongoing housing shortage. But we can help you with available supply here at gray. But these overall record investor purchase figures they are, according to a Redfin analysis of county home purchase records across 39 of the most populous US metro areas, not just a couple states.   Keith Weinhold (00:30:45) - There are a lot of investors out there fighting for properties, said a Redfin premier agent in Orlando, Florida. There just aren't enough properties to go around, which is putting a cap on how many homes investors can buy. In fact, single family homes represented over two thirds of investor. Purchases. So congratulations, you are acting. You are making it happen in this canyon, this chasm, this divide that's opening up between the haves and have nots, shrinking the middle class. You are getting on the right side of that. I want to tell you more about being an investor shortly. But first, I have somewhat of a heartfelt real estate anniversary for you, and it has to do with my own family. March 5th, 1974 is a special day. You might note that tomorrow will be the 50th anniversary of that special date. Now look, I can remember every single place that I've ever lived. The modest single family home that I grew up in, college dorm rooms, a pathetic pool house, efficiency apartment in Westchester, Pennsylvania, a condo, a house as an adult.   Keith Weinhold (00:32:11) - Can you can you remember every place that you've ever lived? There's a good chance that you can. It's how intimate, really and important real estate is to your life. And think about how significant you are. You're providing people with a home that they will always remember. This is key. Think about how this contrasts. If you supplied the world with software packages or patio furniture, that stuff is forgettable. You're doing something significant when you help abolish the term slumlord and provide other people with that clean, safe, affordable, functional housing. Well, tomorrow my parents, Curt and Penny Weinhold, will have lived in the same home for 50 years. 50 years in the same home for my parents in sleepy and remote Appalachia. Coudersport, Pennsylvania. I asked my dad about that recently, and he said that when the paperwork with the lawyer was finished, he recalled walking into the house and happily shouting. He was tired of renting. When I visit my parents annually in Pennsylvania, I am still sleeping in the same bedroom of the same home, on the same block in the same small town where they still live in the first home that I ever remember.   Keith Weinhold (00:33:46) - Great job Mom and dad. You committed. You married before you had my brother and I. You're still happy, you're still healthy, and you're still together. You're even in the same home I grew up in. I'm in awe. I won the parent lottery five decades in the same home. You know where the creaky spots in the floor are of that old Victorian place. And when my brother is there, the four of us know right where to sit in our same spots at that same kitchen table. And, you know, as tomorrow is an amazing 50 years there. There are some lessons in this. Find out what the great things in life are, learn about them and commit to them. Like me trying to be the highest man on earth recently, or you buying the property or getting married. So many of the most successful people get diligent and learn and then make lasting commitments. Being a real estate investing devotee is a commitment. Each property that you add is a small commitment itself. I encourage you to act if it resonates with you.   Keith Weinhold (00:35:03) - Learn and grow your portfolio. There are always going to be naysayers that try to hold you to the confines of conformity and mediocrity. So fear, uncertainty. Telling someone that times are uncertain is like telling someone that they're breathing air. Well of course, no kidding. Each condition, uncertainty and breathing air have persisted every day of your entire life. In the year 1920, ten kilos of gold would buy you an average home. Today, ten kilos of gold will buy you an average home. Home prices aren't high so much as the value of the dollar is simply down. Homes are not overvalued by the most timeless financial measure. Gold mortgage rates near 7% are still below. Their long term average. So go forth and build your empire. You can either teach a man to fish or give a man a fish. Here at Jerry, we do both. We teach them in or women to fish at get worse education. Com which this show is a part of and then a great marketplace. Com we give a man a fish.   Keith Weinhold (00:36:30) - We have the supply of housing. You have access to the national providers with the lower cost real estate that makes the best rentals. And starting about two years ago, we added free investment coaching here, giving you that fish and making it easier than ever to get started or get your next property. Play a game worth winning and commit to something worthwhile. If you haven't yet, I encourage you to look into that at GREmarketplace.com. Until next week, I'm.   Speaker 3 (00:37:03) - Your host, Keith Weinhold.   Keith Weinhold (00:37:05) - Don't quit your day dream.   Speaker 4 (00:37:10) - Nothing on this show should be considered specific, personal or professional advice. Please consult an appropriate tax, legal, real estate, financial or business professional for individualized advice. Opinions of guests are their own. Information is not guaranteed. All investment strategies have the potential for profit or loss. The host is operating on behalf of yet Rich Education, LLC exclusively.   Keith Weinhold (00:37:38) - The preceding program was brought to you by your home for wealth building. Get rich education.com.

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490: How to Invest in Timberland Like the Top 1%

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Play Episode Listen Later Feb 26, 2024 40:12


Owning raw land, timberland, and farmland is often the domain of the wealthy. This is partly because it is difficult to obtain loans for this property. Today, we discuss an income-producing timberland that also tends to increase in value. For under $7,000 you can own quarter-acre parcels of producing teak trees in Panama and Nicaragua. You can invest yourself. All at once, this provides diversification with a hard asset in a foreign nation and a different product type. Over a twenty-five year period, each $7K quarter-acre teak parcel is projected to return $94K. You get title to the property. Learn more at: www.GREmarketplace.com/Teak With ownership of two quarter-acre parcels, you can qualify for a second residency in Panama for under $22K with legal fees, etc. A SFR does not grow into a duplex. But teak trees grow in volume while its unit price typically appreciates. Teak price growth is historically 5.5% annually. I've met the company CEO and Chairman in-person. This provider has offered this opportunity for 24+ years. They've recently added a sawmill, increasing profits. What are the risks of teak tree investing? Disease, pests, fire, geopolitics and more. They are proven mitigation plans. In-person teak tours for prospective investors are offered. Trees grow through recessions, COVID, market cycles, and Fed rate decisions. Learn more about teak tree investing at: GREmarketplace.com/Teak Timestamps: Welcome to Get Rich Education (00:00:01) Keith Weinhold introduces the podcast and emphasizes the importance of real estate and financial information. The US economy and land ownership (00:01:44) Keith discusses the strength of the US economy and the importance of diverse and resilient real estate portfolios. America's top 100 landowners (00:02:29) Keith talks about the largest landowners in America and the reasons why land ownership is often associated with the wealthy. Investing like a billionaire (00:05:32) Keith introduces the topic of investing in producing land and the benefits of owning producing land. Introduction to ECI Development (00:06:21) Keith introduces Michael Cobb and discusses the company's projects in Latin America. Marriott resort project in Belize (00:07:08) Mike talks about the construction of a Marriott resort in Ambergris Key, Belize, and the challenges of financing such projects. Development and tourism in Belize (00:08:37) Michael Cobb discusses the development and popularity of Ambergris Key, Belize, and the involvement of major hotel brands. Teak tree parcels investment (00:11:30) Michael Cobb explains the investment opportunity in quarter-acre teak tree parcels and the generational wealth stewardship associated with it. Reasons for teak investing (00:14:05) Michael Cobb discusses the reasons why people are interested in teak investing, including hard asset diversification and international residency opportunities. Cash flow cycles and teak investment (00:16:42) Michael Cobb explains the 25-year cash flow cycle associated with teak investments and the generational income potential. Optimal growing conditions for teak (00:19:26) Michael Cobb discusses the optimal growing conditions for teak and the physical growth of the trees. [End of segment] Teak Plantation Locations and Growth (00:19:42) Discussion on the optimal locations for teak growth and the historical track record of teak price growth. Teak Price Growth and Business Plan (00:20:44) The historical 55% annual increase in the value of teak and the business plan's conservative approach to teak price growth. Physical Properties and Residency Opportunities (00:21:33) The value of teak and the opportunities for achieving residency in Panama by owning teak. Residency and Citizenship (00:24:33) Differentiating between residency and citizenship in Panama and the process and benefits of obtaining permanent residency. Sawmill and Value-Added Component (00:27:56) The integration of a sawmill into the investment proposition and the value-added potential of processing teak into lumber. Sawmill Investment Opportunity (00:30:07) Details of the investment opportunity in the sawmill, including the expected return and investment structure. Risks and Mitigation (00:32:41) Discussion on the risks associated with teak plantation investment abroad and the mitigation strategies in place. Property Management and Tours (00:35:25) Outsourcing property management and the availability of tours to visit the teak plantations in Panama. Long-Term Investment Perspective (00:37:43) The long-term growth potential of teak investments and the comparison to the investment strategies of wealthy families and institutions. Earth's Highest Real Estate (00:38:11) Discussion about Earth's highest point, the equatorial bulge, and the location of teak plantations in Panama and Nicaragua. Investing in Teak Parcels (00:38:11) Information about purchasing teak parcels, the absence of loans, and the potential for building wealth through teak investments. Consultation Disclaimer (00:39:34) Disclaimer about seeking professional advice and the potential for profit or loss in investment strategies. Resources mentioned: Show Page: GetRichEducation.com/490 Learn more about teak investing: GREmarketplace.com/Teak For access to properties or free help with a GRE Investment Coach, start here: GREmarketplace.com Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Invest with Freedom Family Investments.  You get paid first: Text FAMILY to 66866 Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review”  Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com GRE Free Investment Coaching: GREmarketplace.com/Coach Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free— text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Complete episode transcript:   Keith Weinhold (00:00:01) - Welcome to gray. I'm your host, Keith Reinhold. An affordable way to simultaneously invest like a billionaire. Get diversified in multiple ways with real estate. Help the earth. And if you prefer, even achieve residency in a second nation today and get rich education. When you want the best real estate and finance info, the modern internet experience limits your free articles access, and it's replete with paywalls. And you've got pop ups and push notifications and cookies. Disclaimers are. At no other time in history has it been more vital to place nice, clean, free content into your hands that actually adds no hype value to your life? See, this is the golden age of quality newsletters, and I write every word of ours myself. It's got a dash of humor and it's to the point to get the letter. It couldn't be more simple text gray to 66866. And when you start the free newsletter, you'll also get my one hour fast real estate course completely free. It's called the Don't Quit Your Daydream letter and it wires your mind for wealth.   Keith Weinhold (00:01:16) - Make sure you read it. Text gray to 66866. Text gray 266866.   Corey Coates (00:01:28) - You're listening to the show that has created more financial freedom than nearly any show in the world. This is get rich education.   Keith Weinhold (00:01:44) - What category? From Sorrento, Italy to Sacramento, California, and across 188 nations worldwide. I'm Keith Reinhold, and you're listening to get Rich education the Voice of Real Estate since 2014. As we're two months into the year now and the US economy has continued to stay strong. Let me ask, how's your portfolio doing and how resilient is your real estate? How diverse is it? How would you grade yourself on those criteria?   Donald Trump (00:02:17) - I would give myself, I would look, I hate to do it, but I will do it. I would give myself an A-plus. Is that enough? Can I go higher than that?   Keith Weinhold (00:02:29) - Well, well, whether your, I guess, straight A's or not. Consider this land report.com. They recently published a report about America's top 100 Las donors. Now, Lynn could be vacant and nonresidential, yet have active ranching or agriculture or forestry taking place.   Keith Weinhold (00:02:52) - That way the land produces something while it might increase in value at the same time. But the reason that often land is the domain of the wealthy is that it's harder to get loans for land, and therefore one must often pay all cash. Well, by the time they were done. Today, you'll learn about producing land that's actually available at such a low price point that alone typically is not required for you to buy it. In 2024, America's largest land owner is Red Emerson, and that's what the report found. Read and his family owned 2.4 million acres in California, Oregon and Washington through their Timber products company and the number since they became America's largest landowners in 2021, when they acquired 175,000 acres in Oregon from another timber company. Well, with that acquisition, the Emerson surpassed Liberty Media chairman John Malone's 2.2 million acres. And then in third place is CNN founder Ted Turner. Yeah, he's America's third largest landowner, with 2 million acres in the southeast on the Great Plains and across the West. And it was a few years ago now.   Keith Weinhold (00:04:05) - It was 2020 when news broke that Microsoft co-founder Bill gates was America's largest farm land owner, with more than 260,000 acres. So the wealthy are attracted to real assets that can produce yield in something like land, which they aren't making more of. That's the backdrop for today. Surely we'll talk about income producing land, although most years it won't pay out and it's available to any investor, big or small. But before we do, let me share that. About ten days ago, I climbed up the highest point on Earth here while we're talking about non-residential real estate. Well, where was it? Where was I? Yes, I was on Earth's highest piece of real estate. Kind of a trivia question here, and I used to think that that must mean Mount Everest, but it's not. So there's a clue for you there. Where is Earth's highest point is you ponder that. I'll give you the answer later. Let's talk about investing like a billionaire with the opportunity to own producing land did it to you? We've discussed this topic before, but it's been quite some time and there have been some important updates, including a sawmill for the production timber.   Keith Weinhold (00:05:32) - After success in the computer industry, today's guest formed ECI development in 1996. I suppose going on nearly 30 years now. He served on advisory boards for the Na as a resort community developer. They have projects in Belize, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Honduras and Panama, and neighborhoods include homes, condominiums, golf courses and over five miles of beachfront. So they got some really beautiful properties. He and I first met in person in 2016. He and his family lived in Central America from 2002 to 2016. It's always fantastic to have back on grea, and I guess I must button up here because it is the chairman and CEO, Michael Cobb. It's good to be with you. Thanks for having me.   Michael Cobb (00:06:21) - Back on the show. It's fun to have these conversations. I didn't realize we met in 2016. That's a little while ago.   Keith Weinhold (00:06:27) - Yeah, it has been eight years. Yes, we met in the region then down there and Mike's about the most relatable and down to earth guy that you can find and literally down to earth is.   Keith Weinhold (00:06:41) - Besides the resort development, you've made it easy and inexpensive for investors worldwide to buy producing teak tree parcels. But before we discuss that, you've got a project that's drawn a lot of interest on Ambergris Key, Belize, which many of our listeners already know, that's Belize's largest island and its top tourist destination. I have visited and owned property there, and it's coming online next year. It's pretty exciting. Tell us about it.   Michael Cobb (00:07:08) - It is exciting. It's been in the works for goodness, eight years. I think we signed our contract with Marriott maybe 7 or 8 years ago. We started construction just about a year ago last January. So almost exactly a year. Yeah, it's a marriott resort, 202 room oceanfront resort. It's fantastic. It will be done in August of 2025. Soft opening heart opening October 25th. So yeah, about 1618 months from now have this project finally finished. You know, the big challenging thing in this part of the world is financing. But it's really hard to get financing or affordable financing.   Michael Cobb (00:07:42) - Let me say it that way. Yeah. And so we took our time and we would not start a project until it was fully funded. I think a lot of challenges are people start these projects are kind of betting on the. Com. Right. Oh well we'll figure it out later. And we don't operate that way. We've been around for yeah 28 years. And so we're very very conservative. And until we had all the money to build the hotel, the resort, we did not start. And so we kicked it off last January. It was just down there last week. Steel is arriving. The superstructure is already going up. Yeah, man. It's just so nice to see it really coming to fruition. But you know, it's prudence and patience to take our time, make sure we have all the funding and then launch so that what we start finishes. And that's really been our mantra for almost three decades now.   Keith Weinhold (00:08:27) - Make it up, make it real, make it happen. In the largest town there on Ambergris Key, Belize, just a few decades ago, it was still this sleepy fishing village.   Keith Weinhold (00:08:37) - And with the setting that that island has and all the great snorkeling and everything else, it's really become popular and is boutique hotels grew into larger hotels. Yeah, it was probably, what, ten years ago perhaps, that you saw some of these big brands start to take more of an interest, like Hilton and Marriott, in branding the buildings what is.   Michael Cobb (00:09:00) - And, you know, I give a presentation called Why Belize, Why Right Now? And you nailed it there when you talked about the timelines. Right. And how a country or a region, it's not even a country in this case. Ambergris key. It's very specific. Right. How ambergris Key Belize has moved through this timeline, this path of progress. And at some point it goes from being a niche market or a no name market to a niche market, to a boutique market. And then all of a sudden, you're right, at some point the brand start to pay attention and then you move into popular acceptance and really mainstream tourism. And so, right.   Michael Cobb (00:09:31) - The cruise ships started going to Belize about 15 years ago, which put Belize as a country into the mind of a more mainstream traveler. And then you're right, about eight, ten years ago, the brand started to pay attention. And we do. We have a Hilton, we have a curio by Hilton, we have an autograph by Marriott, our company, ECI. We picked up the best Western franchise, and so we operate a Best Western on the island for that middle class market. And then Marriott, obviously, for the very high end traveler who wants an oceanfront 4 or 5 star kind of property. So yeah, but the brands are paying attention. And by the way, we're just seeing the beginning of that happening. This popularity curve Belize has entered what I would call the fast growth period. And over the next five, maybe eight years, we're going to see incredible growth in the tourism industry. Airlift is up. JetBlue just started flying down. So we're starting to WestJet. So we've got Canadian Air.   Michael Cobb (00:10:22) - We've got a discount carrier southwest. So when those things start to happen what you see is a market dynamism that's you know really it's exciting and it's going to change. Very, very rapidly. The pace of change is going to grow rapidly as well. So great time to look at Belize. If folks are interested in sort of that positioning in the path of progress in the marketplace.   Keith Weinhold (00:10:43) - Each time I visit Ambergris Key, Belize, the level of development increase is palpable. And, you know, this is an opportunity for a US or Canadian buyer or a buyer from outside that nation to come in. And it's just a very easy step with the English language and the common law in Belize, where you can invest yourself in this Marriott project that Mike discussed. Now, Mike, a while ago, to change topics, you recognize that the world has been really deforested and losing its valuable teak hardwood forests so continuously since 1999, you've offered a program so that individual investors at a really affordable price. We'll get to that price later.   Keith Weinhold (00:11:30) - They can own quarter acre parcels with the property deeded in their name, and reap the benefits and returns from the growth of the teakwood on top of the land. And now this is pretty novel, because for hundreds of years, only the hedge funds and super wealthy had access to an investment like this. So get us up to date with what you're doing on the teak hardwoods, because I know that so many of our listeners and viewers have already gotten involved.   Michael Cobb (00:11:56) - They haven't really. Thank you for being one of the people who put the word out there. Right? Because most people don't even know you can own teak or let's just back it up and you say, own timber, right? You start there. You're right. Only the super rich land barons, hedge funds. Those are the people that have always owned timber for centuries. Right. And so I think in most people's minds it's like, oh, I can't even get there. How would I even do that? Right. Well, then you take it overseas and you take it into something very, very specific, like teak timber.   Michael Cobb (00:12:25) - That's just not on anyone's radar. So. So you have done a great job. Thank you for getting the word out to just let folks know that this is something that they can do. So quarter acre teak parcels. We are now on our third plantation in Panama. We have one in Nicaragua as well. And so we're in our third plantation in Panama. Just because of the incredible number of folks, well over a thousand folks now who have decided they want to invest in own teak. You said something really interesting, Keith. You said you get to own the land, you get title to land and you get the harvest of the trees. That's absolutely correct. But it gets better because when the trees are harvested, they get replanted. And then the next generation of people your children, your grandchildren, whoever that might be, get the next harvest. But because you still own the land and the trees are replanted, a third harvest, you know, and a fourth harvest. So what you've really created with teak ownership is generational wealth stewardship.   Michael Cobb (00:13:24) - And that is something that's just so far beyond the comprehension of so many people that it can be so easy and so affordable to do.   Keith Weinhold (00:13:32) - I'm an investor myself in producing land like this in Latin America, so I know what some of my reasons are for being interested in this. And yes, it's more than the fact that I'm just a geography guy. It's the fact that I know I'm diversifying in multiple ways at the same time, a different product type in residential real estate. And I'm getting international diversification in a different nation, for starters. So are those some of the reasons that you see for why so many people are interested in teak investing like this? What are their reasons?   Michael Cobb (00:14:05) - Yeah, I think you've nailed a big part of it, which is the hard asset. A lot of folks, your listeners, readers in the news that are right, I mean, hard assets are important. I hope more people recognize that. Right. And more and more people are, thank goodness. So hard. Asset real estate being this particular hard asset.   Michael Cobb (00:14:22) - Right. And then the international diversification, one of the challenges we have is us, especially in Canadians to some degree, is that we kind of locked into the US system like we can own, say, Toyota stock, right? Japanese company, we can own Nestlé, a Swiss company, but generally we're doing it on the New York Stock Exchange. And so even if we own an international stock, it's still the US basket are still the Canadian basket that we hold it in. Right. And so when you physically own a titled property outside your home country, you have now truly diversified internationally. And there's a lot of prudence in that. And even just tiny little percentages of your portfolio, 5% of your portfolio, 10% of your portfolio outside your home country and hard assets is prudent because you want some other baskets for those nest eggs. Antiqued because it's such a low price point of entry with a huge yield, by the way, that it has become very, very popular for folks who want that international diversification in a hard asset.   Michael Cobb (00:15:23) - But to have the true international diversification because it's a physical asset outside your home country. And then I. Just say this and we can pick up on the theme or not. The other reason that people are looking at teak in Panama and Nicaragua, by the way, both countries, is because of the availability or the qualification for a visa for a second residency. And a lot of times people look at that as a plan B, if we kind of think maybe the US is going off the rails or Canada or wherever your home country is at, or it could go off the rails. Doesn't have to be now. It could be going off the rails in the future. You sort of that Boy Scout mentality of, you know what, I want a plan B, and if we have a second residency outside our home country, we now have an option. If we don't like the way things are going or where they get to, we can actually pick up and we can move and we have the right legal right, because we have a residency to live in another country.   Michael Cobb (00:16:17) - That's another reason that a lot of people have picked up the teak because it qualifies you for that residency. But I think the bigger reason is the international hard asset diversification. I think that's the leading reason people do it.   Keith Weinhold (00:16:31) - I want to ask you more about the residency shortly, but tell us more about the investment. We're thinking about maybe capital growth as the trees grow. And then what about the income?   Michael Cobb (00:16:42) - Sure. And so I think let me back it up. A lot of people think in cash flow cycles, right? If we have a job, we get paid every two weeks. You know, you have a lot of folks that have invested in properties. We get a monthly rent check, right? Or if we have stocks, maybe we get a quarterly or annual dividend. Right. So those are the what I would call the common time frames that we think about in cash flow. But what the Uber wealthy, what the hedge funds, what the family offices, what the endowment for places like Harvard, Yale, these big institution or big institutional thinkers have known for centuries is that there are actually other cash flow cycles that are largely ignored by the what I would say, the average investor.   Michael Cobb (00:17:21) - And those cash flow cycles are much longer. Teak, for example, is a 25 year cash flow cycle, right? You plant the trees and in 25 years you harvest them. You plant them again, not them. You plant new ones, right? In 25 years you harvest those and then so on and so on. So what you're creating is this 25 year cash flow machine. Now the kinds of returns are truly outsized. I mean you're talking about double digit ers. Now a lot of people say, well Mike, that's great. But what happens if I need the money in year 15? You can't have it because there is no money in year 15. Your trees are still growing, right? So it's this weird investment timeline. It's almost flatlined until the very end. And then it jumps way up and then it drops back down to a flatline again. And so it'd be silly to put tons of money into teak unless you had thousand times tons of money, right? But for some small piece of your investment portfolio where you have enough cash flow coming in from your maybe your job, your rent, your dividends, whatever, that a small piece that moves into this 25 year cash flow cycle with the thought process that this is how I steward wealth into the future, to children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, because the 25 year cycle is almost generational, right? In fact, in the US, it probably is generational because we're having children in the ages of, you know, 25 to 30.   Michael Cobb (00:18:44) - So it kind of starts to line up with generational income as opposed to, you know, sort of that whatever biweekly, monthly, yearly income. So it's just a different cash flow cycle.   Keith Weinhold (00:18:56) - That's right. And I brought up before that, when you think about the growth of one of your investments, you now get to think about it in two ways. If you own a duplex, it might have growth in its price. However, it doesn't grow into a fourplex and have growth in its price. However, with teak, you might have an increase in the value of the wood, perhaps on a board foot unit basis, and at the same time it is growing in height and volume.   Michael Cobb (00:19:26) - Absolutely no. That's a cute way to say it. I never really thought about a duplex growing into a fourplex, right? That's good. Exactly. And so what you do, you're right. You have the physical growth of the trees. And we have located our plantations in the optimal growing conditions, fatigue. And they are very known.   Michael Cobb (00:19:42) - Right? I mean, the British started plantation growing teak 350 almost 400 years ago in Southeast Asia. And so the Brits have just meticulously kept statistical records of every plantation that they were involved with the altitude, soil type, rainfall, temperature, on and on and on. And so it's really well known exactly where teak will grow well, and both where we have our plantations, it does Nicaragua and Panama, and we'll stick on Panama today, but the locations are dead center bull's eye locations for the best optimal growing of teak. So you have this growth of a physical thing, right. But you mentioned the board foot price. And by the way, the track record on teak being grown in plantations is 350 years. So what a track record, right? But since 1970. Two. The average price of teak over 5152 years has been 5.5% a year. That's the growth in the price of teak, right? And so you know who knows the future, right? I mean, the future is the future, right.   Michael Cobb (00:20:44) - But if a 50 year track record on a 5.5% increase in the value of the teak itself is pretty powerful, right? That's the long track record of nice growth. And when we factor in our teak into our business plan, we take that 5.5 and we make it zero. We just say, what if there is no increase in the price of teak over 25 years? How much will the tree grow? And if that tree is cut down and is sold as lumber? When we'll talk about our Solomon in a minute. If that tree is sold as lumber, what's the value of that lumber today? And what will the tree be worth in that value 25 years from now? And so if things do continue to increase at 5.5% a year, that's just all gravy. And that just starts to take that rate of return and just ratcheted up even further.   Keith Weinhold (00:21:33) - Teak has a number of physical properties that make it valuable, from its beauty to its fire resistance and more. Mike has now touched on a few interesting things.   Keith Weinhold (00:21:44) - We'll come back and talk about that soon, including how you can achieve residency in Panama by owning teak, what the risks are, and more about their sawmill that he just mentioned, adding value to the operation there. 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We're talking with ECI development chairman and CEO Mike Cobb about teak hardwood investing in Panama and Nicaragua.   Keith Weinhold (00:24:22) - Like, tell us more about how one can achieve residency, for example, in Panama if they own teak there maybe just how residency varies from citizenship?   Michael Cobb (00:24:33) - Sure. Well, why don't we start with the second part, how residency differs from citizenship. And there's a good place to start. You know, citizenship is you become a citizen of the country. You have a passport, you can vote. You have every legal right of that country. Right. The decision would have residency to use a US term is like a green card, right? It's the legal permission to live in that country for some period of time. Many of them are permanent. In fact, Panama's is permanent. So once you have a Panama permanent residency, you could literally pick up, you could move there tomorrow, and you could live for the rest of your life in Panama. And so it gives you the legal right to live there. But you don't have a passport. You can't vote. I guess that's the main difference, right? You don't have a passport, you can't vote.   Michael Cobb (00:25:18) - But for most people, in fact, the overwhelming majority of people, a residency delivers exactly what somebody wants, which is the ability to live somewhere. Right? And we don't care if we vote or not. I mean, right, we'd still be citizens of our home country, US, Canada, or wherever we can vote back home or citizen. We have our passport from those countries, but the right to live somewhere else is powerful. And so the teak in Panama qualifies you in two ways for two quarter acre parcels, and then the legal fees and stuff like that. It's just under 22,000. A little less gives you permanent residency in Panama. Right? That's such an affordable way to be able to I call it the back pocket. Right. The insurance policy or the plan B in the sense that, like, I think a lot of folks are worried about the direction things are headed. And, you know, you have the teak parcels, which are going to produce a tremendous return. And then this byproduct that you qualify for and you have to go, you have to get down there a couple times.   Michael Cobb (00:26:16) - I mean, there's a little bit of administrative stuff, some legal fees, that's all included in that 22,000. Right. So that's all included. You have to go there a couple times. So there's a little bit of friction I would say. But when you get finished with that friction, you are a permanent resident of Panama and you only have to go there one day every two years. So you fly down every other year, whatever. Go, go talk to your trees, maybe sing to your trees a little bit, whatever you want to do and fly. All right. And you have a permanent residency. So it's a very easy, fast way to get that plan B now in the future, if you ever said, well, I really love Panama, I'd like to live here. Panama is beautiful. The city itself, it's got skyscrapers, apartments on the 50th floor of use or killer. You can be out on the beach or somewhere. You can be up in the mountains. So there are a lot of different climates and geographies in Panama where you might say to yourself, yeah, I think I want to come down here and live someday.   Michael Cobb (00:27:09) - Well, you already have your residency. You already have the legal right to do that.   Keith Weinhold (00:27:14) - Yeah, I mean, 100%. Now, Panama isn't predominantly English speaking like Belize is, but Panama just has a lot of inherent familiarity and feel to a lot of Americans. Since the canal is there and there is that strong American presence, and they've even dollarization their economy there, for example, in Panama. So it might be that nice plan B for you. And tell us more about the residency and the investment into the sawmill and how that works. So it sounds like there's now a value added component is you essentially vertically integrated and now have this sawmill with the teeth. Tell us more about that.   Michael Cobb (00:27:56) - So we've always factored in the sawmill into the investment proposition. Because if we were to just take the logs for example, 25 years, you cut down the trees, you stick the logs in the container and send them off to China or India, which is where most of the logs go. The return on investments.   Michael Cobb (00:28:13) - It's not great, it's okay, but it's not great. The way you actually get a phenomenal return on investment is you take those logs and you turn them into lumber, which has about a 3 to 4 x differential, or what we call first stage end product or simple end product, which would be something like flooring, which is basically lumber that's been finished one more level rooted and bulldozed so that you can put them together right on a wood floor. So those two modifications from the log all the way to the first degree of finished product, the returns start to really jack it up into that double digit IRR right over 25 years, which again is phenomenal. So we talked about price. But just to give an idea, a $7,000 quarter acre parcel at harvest turned into lumber and first level finished. Product turns into about $94,000, right? So 7000 turns into $90,000, which is a tremendous return. But the way you get that return is to deliver to the marketplace lumber and first grade finished product. And so Soma has always been part of our business plan.   Michael Cobb (00:29:19) - Well, we are now two years away from our harvest on our first plantation, the one I planted back in 1999. Right? I mean, it's incredible thinking that, you know, 20, gosh, 24 years ago planted a teak plantation. So we're two years from harvest. We have one more set of kind of odds and end thinning of just trees that didn't quite grow. Right. We're going to use those thinning over the next couple of years to practice in our sawmill. Because you know what? We are going to make mistakes. I mean, you don't ever get it right the first time. So we're going to make mistakes. We're going to learn from them. And by the time we actually do the real harvest of that first plantation, 100 acres of teak, two years from now, we will be up to speed with our sawmill will size up, we'll capacity up to do that. But yeah, so folks can actually we have a $2 million opening in the sawmill. And it's a real simple formula.   Michael Cobb (00:30:07) - It's two times your money and then a proportionate 10% interest in the sawmill. So for example, just rough numbers off the top of my head. You put in $100,000, you get twice your money back in about a 3 to 4 year period. As a sawmill really becomes operational. We take the first harvest, like the thinning, aren't going to produce much. In fact, we hope to just basically kind of break even over the next two years while we practice. Then we cut down 100 acres of teak. We start putting that through the sawmill, right? So you get two extra money, you invest 100 to get back to 100, and then your return would be about 13 or $14,000 a year. On going after that, because you get a 10% carried interest in the sawmill into the future as well. So that's the investment opportunity that produces a shorter cash flow, much tighter on the cash flow. But then a nice trailer for many years. But the investment is 100,000. So it's a more significant investment than, say, somebody wanting a little bite sized piece of a quarter acre parcel or two quarter acre type parcels paired with the residency that gets you that.   Michael Cobb (00:31:13) - So a couple different levels of investment depending on what your goals are, but also what your timelines are.   Keith Weinhold (00:31:19) - We described the sawmill investment numbers there. And then just to clarify, on the quarter acre parcels, they cost $7,000 each with an expected value or return of $94,000 after 25 years.   Michael Cobb (00:31:37) - That's correct. 6880. I'm using round numbers, but 6880 is the quarter acre teak and right at harvest when it processes through the sawmill. A little over that, but $94,000 is returned to the investor along the way. I'll mention this. There are maintenance fees. It's about $150 a year. We just take a credit card. We just tap it once a year. That takes care of property taxes, thinning, cleaning, anything that they have to do with the plantation. So $150 a year, your maintenance fee. But yeah, 6880 turns into 94,025 years. If teak continues to go up at 5.5% a year, the return would be better than that.   Keith Weinhold (00:32:16) - You probably have investors that come in oftentimes from North America, maybe some from Europe, and they see this as a really low cost of entry, $6,880 for one quarter acre parcel.   Keith Weinhold (00:32:29) - So are there any risks that one should consider? Therefore, if they're a first time investor abroad, maybe something they're not thinking about if they buy a rental single family home in their own hometown?   Michael Cobb (00:32:41) - Yeah. Very different. I mean, in some ways it's very different. In other ways it's pretty similar. Right. You're going to get title to the property. The process of getting title will be a little different. You're going to have to send in copies of your passport, a notarized utility bill. Just some things that you wouldn't have to do if you were buying a property in the States. But at the end of the day, you will get what's called Escritorio Publica public title. So it's a registered land deed. And so that part of it's all pretty similar risk factors. Absolutely. The business plan has them in there. But the big ones are any kind of disease. It's monoculture. So I mean a disease could come through and kill all the trees. Right. The good thing there is, again, teak has a 350 year track record of being managed and grown in plantations.   Michael Cobb (00:33:24) - So it has a long track record where they've kind of figured out, well, if this happens, then do this or if this pest comes along. This is how we, you know, we mitigate that, but nothing can mitigate all risk. That fire is an interesting one. Fire is a risk in the first three years of teak. So we call it baby teak. But once the tea trees are 3 to 4 years old, they're really above any kind of fire. Because you clean the plantation and the guys are in there with the machetes chopping to keep the, you know, the brushed and grass down in the dry season, which, by the way, you mention the qualities of teak, the hardness of teak is actually the most. Prized quality. And so the hardest of the teak that we get will actually be taken and sold as marine lumber, which is an unbelievable differential in price. But only 5 to 10% of your teak would qualify as marine lumber. So it's a small percentage, but the value of that is very, very high because it's set to hardwood.   Michael Cobb (00:34:20) - But the rest of the tree is also likewise very hard. The dry season is what cures the teak. And so in the dry season teak drops its leaves. And so it's very resistant to fire. If you do good maintenance on the plantation, we do so fires only a risk really in the first three years. And we actually warranty the trees of a fire comes through. In the first three years. We replant the plantation for any parts that are burned. So there's sort of a warranty that comes with the first three years. I mean, the other risks are political risk. What if Panama goes off the rails? The good thing about Panama, it's got the canal. And that is a major, vital strategic US interest. I just don't see the US letting Panama kind of go off the rails. But it could. But those I think are the three what I would call main risk factors. And we mitigate those to the best way possible.   Keith Weinhold (00:35:13) - You heard Mike mention about the thinning and cleaning. Yes, there is ongoing management, but that is already handled and taken care of in any of the prices that you already mentioned.   Keith Weinhold (00:35:24) - Is that right, Mike?   Michael Cobb (00:35:25) - Yeah, correct. And we outsource to a company called Geo Forest. All Geo Forest, all. They've been our plantation manager from since 1999. And and they're phenomenal. What they do, their world class. They've been doing it for longer than 25 years, maybe 30 years at this point. But we outsource what we have to outsource because we're not management plantation managers. So we can find folks that are.   Keith Weinhold (00:35:47) - The same property manager for a quarter century, a property manager that actually doesn't get fired. Hey, that's a novel concept. Two times two is what some investors back here in the U.S. are thinking with their residential real estate investments. If you want to learn more about this investment, I encourage you to check it out. You can do that through Gray Marketplace at Gray marketplace.com/teak. Mike, do you still offer tours.   Michael Cobb (00:36:16) - Oh my goodness yes. And I hope that you will take us up on the opportunity to come down and see the dairy and province. But yes, we do.   Michael Cobb (00:36:24) - And I don't know the dates off the top of my head, but for folks who are interested, uh, two things. One, we actually run a tour that's fun because it's a group of people and it's just, you know, you come down and you do it. But if somebody says, hey, I can't make those dates, but I want to come see the trees. Yeah, it's very reasonable. I think it's a couple hundred bucks. They pick you up at your hotel, they'll run you out to the plantation, bring you back. But it's a whole day. I mean, it's four hours outside of Panama City and four hours back, so it's a long day. And if it's a couple, it's still 200. It's basically for the vehicle out and back. Right? The driver and the vehicle. So you can come anytime or you can come with a group. And if you come with a group there is no charge. I mean, we get the van or the bus and we pay for it all.   Michael Cobb (00:37:03) - And yeah, we make peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and we have fun.   Keith Weinhold (00:37:07) - All right. Well, I think people have probably covered for the tea more than the sandwiches, but that is a nice touch that you do for people because you do that whether someone is a great investor or not, whether they haven't invested at all yet, and they just want to go ahead and check it out. And you can learn more about those dates at GR marketplace.com/teague Mike, it's always such a fun chat to discuss something so exotic. It's been great having you back on the show.   Michael Cobb (00:37:34) - Nice to be back with you. I look forward to seeing you in Panama one of these days.   Keith Weinhold (00:37:43) - Trees grow through recessions, they grow through market cycles, they grow through Covid, and trees just keep growing through every single fed rate decision. The wealthiest families on the planet, the top 1%. They have locked up vast portions of their wealth for timeframes even longer than the 25 year peak harvest cycle. In fact, Harvard has fully 10% of its endowment, specifically in timber.   Keith Weinhold (00:38:11) - To follow up on what I asked earlier, as we're discussing non-residential real estate today, Earth's highest point above sea level is Mount Everest. The highest from base to peak is Monica. But Earth's highest piece of land, uh, the highest point is measured from the center of the Earth is Chimborazo Volcano, Ecuador. That's because Earth is not a perfect sphere. But there's an equatorial bulge. That's what I was climbing ten days ago. Earth's highest real estate, Chimborazo, was also there for the closest real estate to the sun and moon. But back down here at a lower elevation where the teak plantations are in Panama and Nicaragua, there are no loans for teak. But at prices under seven K, many GRI listeners have found that they don't need a loan and they have bought ten or more parcels. But you can buy as few as 1 or 2 a quarter acre teak parcels and then later cash it out for yourself or build that wealth legacy for your family. Kind of like the top 1%. If it sounds interesting to you, learn more.   Keith Weinhold (00:39:22) - Get started at GR marketplace.com/t. Until next week. I'm your host, Keith Wild. Don't quit your day dream.   Speaker 6 (00:39:34) - Nothing on this show should be considered specific, personal or professional advice. Please consult an appropriate tax, legal, real estate, financial or business professional for individualized advice. Opinions of guests are their own. Information is not guaranteed. All investment strategies have the potential for profit or loss. The host is operating on behalf of get Rich education LLC exclusively. 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489: Strategic Loan Options for Real Estate Investors, Mortgage Rate Forecast

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Play Episode Listen Later Feb 19, 2024 40:55


You'll get an exact mortgage rate prediction from the President of the lending company that's provided investors with more financial freedom than anyone in the nation.  Learn how to best access your equity, yet keep your low mortgage rate first loan untouched. In this Get Rich Education podcast episode, host Keith Weinhold and guest Caeli Ridge, President of Ridge Lending Group, delve into the direction of mortgage rates.  They highlight the importance of understanding today's environment and discuss refinancing opportunities in the current market.  Caeli outlines various loan products available to investors and predicts over 50% of appraisals now come in high, indicating strong future valuations.  She also forecasts higher mortgage rates to persist, with a possible Fed Funds Rate reduction by June and a 6.125% rate for 30-year fixed mortgages, non-OO, with 25% down, by the end of 2024.  The episode emphasizes education and strategic planning in real estate investment. I get my own loans at Ridge. You can too at RidgeLendingGroup.com Timestamps: The impact of inflation on real estate investing (00:00:00) Discusses leveraging properties to increase wealth, the relationship between mortgage rates and real estate, and the impact of inflation on property values. Understanding the importance of mortgage rates (00:03:52) Explores the neutral relationship real estate investors have with mortgage rates, the impact of mortgage rates on home affordability, and the significance of current mortgage rates. Historical perspective on home price affordability (00:06:18) Provides insights into the historical trends in home affordability, comparing past and current median home prices and the impact of inflation on home values. The power of leverage in borrowing (00:10:14) Illustrates the impact of inflation on loan principal balances and monthly mortgage payments, emphasizing the benefits of optimizing borrowing. Mortgage rate prediction and refinancing trends (00:16:57) Discusses the future direction of mortgage rates, refinancing trends, and the importance of considering interest rates in the context of overall investment strategies. Explanation of high points charged on investment property loans (00:23:12) Provides an explanation for the high points charged on investment property loans, related to the servicing of mortgage-backed securities and the absence of prepayment penalties. Accessing Equity with HELOC and HE Loan (00:24:21) Discussion on accessing equity using keylock and HE loan, including LTV ratios and interest rate comparisons. Trade-offs Between HELOC and HE Loan (00:25:27) Comparison of trade-offs between keylock and HE loan, including flexibility and interest payment structures. Considerations for Second Mortgages (00:26:36) Exploration of the benefits of having a second mortgage as an option and the potential drawbacks related to minimum draw requirements. Blended Mortgage Rates (00:27:56) Explanation of how to calculate blended mortgage rates based on the balances and interest rates of first and second mortgages. Appetite for Adjustable Rate Mortgages (00:28:44) Assessment of the current environment for adjustable rate mortgages and comparison with fixed-rate mortgages. Obstacles for New and Repeat Investors (00:29:45) Common obstacles faced by new and repeat real estate investors, including understanding investment goals and managing debt-to-income ratios. Forecast for Mortgage Rates (00:33:45) Prediction for future mortgage rates based on inflation indicators and the potential impact of the Fed's decisions. Loan Types Offered by Ridge Lending Group (00:35:54) Overview of the various loan types offered by Ridge Lending Group, including Fannie and Freddie loans, non-QM loans, and commercial loans. Resources and Tools for Investors (00:38:03) Information about free resources and tools available on the Ridge Lending Group website, including simulators and educational content. Conclusion and Recommendation (00:39:38) Summary of the discussion with Caeli Ridge and a recommendation to explore the services offered by Ridge Lending Group for real estate financing needs. Resources mentioned: Show Page: GetRichEducation.com/489 Ridge Lending Group: RidgeLendingGroup.com Call 855-74-RIDGE For access to properties or free help with a GRE Investment Coach, start here: GREmarketplace.com Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Invest with Freedom Family Investments.  You get paid first: Text FAMILY to 66866 Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review”  Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com GRE Free Investment Coaching: GREmarketplace.com/Coach Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free— text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Complete episode transcript:   Keith Weinhold (00:00:00) - Welcome to GRE. I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. A new take on how to profit from inflation. The best strategies for accessing equity from your property while leaving your low rate loan in place. A surprising trend with real estate appraisals. Then the president of one of the most prominent national mortgage companies joins me to give a firm mortgage rate prediction today on get rich education. If you like the Get Rich Education podcast, you're going to love our Don't Quit Your Daydream newsletter. No, a eye here I write every word of the letter myself. It wires your mind for wealth. It helps you make money in your sleep and updates you on vital real estate investing trends. It's free sign up egg get rich education.com/letter. It's real content that makes a real difference in your life. Spice with a dash of humor rather than living below your means, learn how to grow your means right now. You can also easily get the letter by texting GRE to 66866. Text GRE to 66866.   Speaker 2 (00:01:11) - You're listening to the show that has created more financial freedom than nearly any show in the world.   Speaker 2 (00:01:18) - This is Get Rich Education.   Keith Weinhold (00:01:27) - Welcome to Gary from Oak Park Heights, Minneapolis, to Crown Heights, Brooklyn in New York City and across 188 nations worldwide. I'm Keith Weinhold, and this is Get Rich education. When you have that epiphany, that leverage creates wealth, it can be enough to make you want to be the town iconoclast. Walk around, beat your chest, and boldly proclaim that financially free beats debt free. You might remember that I helped drive that point home a few weeks ago when I talked about the old fourplex owner, Patrick, who owned his fourplex next to mine years ago. He wanted to pay his down and I wanted to leverage mine up. I told you then that rushing to pay off one property by making extra payments on the principal is like drilling a deep hole into one property. And the deeper you drill, the more likely that hole is to cave in. Your return goes down and now you've got more of your prosperity tied up in just one property, just one neighborhood and just one market.   Keith Weinhold (00:02:34) - The most sure fire way to wealth, and exactly what wealthy people do, is optimize and almost maximize the number of properties that you own. And as long as you buy right as they inevitably inflate, just keep borrowing against them. And that way you never have to pay capital gains tax either. And that goes beyond just real estate. That's assets of many types. You'll want to own more assets. The way to do that is with more loans. And paradoxically, that is why the richest people have the most debt. As you watch your debt column grow, watch your column grow even faster. And as we're talking about mortgages and the direction of interest rates today, us as real estate investors, you and I, we have a somewhat neutral relationship with mortgage rates. Yeah, it's often a neutral relationship. Now, prospective homebuyers, they often want mortgage rates to be low. Sellers often want rates to be low two so that they'll have more home bidders, legacy landlords, ones that own a bunch of property and they're not buying anymore.   Keith Weinhold (00:03:52) - They often want mortgage rates to be high because it hurts first time homebuyer affordability, and then it keeps the rents high and it keeps the occupancy high. And then you and I see we both own real estate. We also look to opportunistically put more in our portfolio. Well then we want rates to be high in a sense and low in a sense too. So you might have relative neutrality, feeling aloof about it all because you're thinking about it from both sides. But in any case, we can always predict the future. But the one thing that you know for sure is what you have now. A lot of people don't optimize their potential for what they have now. Instead, they speculate about the future. Now, one thing a lot of people have now is so many Americans are still loving their 3% and 4% mortgage rates they locked in 2 or 3 years ago, and they're refusing to give it up. However, over the past two years, when the number of real estate listings were at historic lows, a lot of life changing events have occurred in the past two years 7 million newborn babies with a need for a larger sized home and a desire to get out of the starter home.   Keith Weinhold (00:05:11) - Also in the last two years, 3 million marriages, including some of those marriages, are among older couples who now need to sell a home that can help solve the market. And then, of course, most home sellers. They also become home buyers. Next, they need another place to live. So home sellers, they often don't add a net one to the supply. We had a million and a half divorces, 7 million Americans turning 65 years old that might want to trade down during the retirement years and also during the last two years. Consider that there were 4 million deaths and 50 million job changes, some of those inconsequential, while others with fundamentally changed commuting patterns. So the point here is that life moves on. For some, though still a minority, but a growing minority, it is time to give up the three and 4% mortgage rate. Still not enough of them, but for better or worse, that is what it's going to take to move this market and put some available supply out there.   Keith Weinhold (00:06:18) - Now, today we have apparently finally just come off this period where home price of. Affordability had hit 40 year lows for 40 years for decades. Again, with low affordability, you dislike that if you're a home buyer or seller, you might feel neutral about low affordability as a landlord or a real estate investor because it makes your new purchases less affordable. But it keeps your renters as renters when you buy that income property. From an affordability standpoint, the very best time to buy was 2013. Yep, 2013 is when prices hadn't fully recovered from the GFC and mortgage rates had fallen dramatically. Now, to open up that range in years, from an affordability standpoint, it was just a sensational time to buy a home or property from 2009 to 2021, just historically extraordinary, that sensational affordability level during that decade or so, 2009 to 2021, that added to the exceptional rise in home values over end since that time. But yeah, a few months ago, affordability reached its worst level in 40 years and it has since improved.   Keith Weinhold (00:07:43) - I mean, 40 year lows in affordability reach then in 1984 and what happened in 1984, that is when Ronald Reagan defeated Walter Mondale for his second presidential term. Steve Jobs launched the Macintosh personal computer. John Schnatter opened the first Papa John's store in Indiana. LeBron James was born in 1984, and on television running were The Cosby Show and The Dukes of Hazzard. Hey, if you were alive then and you watch those shows, um, I know you wouldn't confess to watching Charles in Charge back then, and you'll never get back those socially redeeming hours that you spent watching Punky Brewster, and you would not admit to doing that either. What is this show, the Jeffersons still on TV in 1984? Look into that. Yeah. You know, that was kind of a real estate ish show. The deluxe apartment in the sky. Yes. It was on then. Yeah. Sherman Hemsley, Isabel Sanford Q that up.   Speaker UU (00:08:55) - Where we're moving on now? All up to this island, to a deluxe apartment in the sky.   Keith Weinhold (00:09:06) - Yeah, they even had the episode where the landlord came over and threatened not to renew their lease. I'll tell you. Has there ever been a television show in history where the landlord was depicted as a good guy? I mean, a landlord in television, they're always cast is a money hungry bad guy that won't fix anything, or is just trying to unscrupulously kick out the tenant, a slack jawed slumlord, every single time. I never really understood that show's theme music, either Beans or Burden on the grill or something. Let's get back to mortgage loans. Understand this. It might be in a way that, okay, you've never thought about it before. It's the power of leverage in borrowing. Now, you probably won't hold any 30 year fixed rate loan all 30 years in reality, but they'll make this effect clear. Let's just act like you have done this on a property. Now the median home price is near 400 K today. But what was it not 40 years ago, but in this case 30 years ago? All right.   Keith Weinhold (00:10:14) - So 1994, per the Fred numbers, which are sourced from the census and HUD, it was 130 K. Yes, a 130 K median priced home in 1994. So then if you put a 20% down payment on that property, you'd have a loan principal balance of 104 K. Now imagine it was an interest only loan somehow, and you still just owed a 104 K balance on that home today, whose median price is up to 400 K. Well, that 104 K. That just seems like a little math that you could almost swat away. I mean, this is how inflation makes the numbers of yesteryear feel tiny. But now if you're 104 K loan were an amortizing loan and the principal were being paid down to hopefully all principal pay down made by the tenant. During all those years, mortgage rates were 9% back then. So if you were making the final payment today on what's now still a median priced home, today your mortgage payment would just be 837 bucks a month. It feels like nothing. Inflation benefited you both ways on the total principal balance and the monthly payment.   Keith Weinhold (00:11:35) - Just feeling lighter and lighter and lighter in inflation adjusted terms now. And if your mortgage rate were 6% on that property, your payment would only be 623 bucks. You might have refinanced to something like that. I mean, 623 bucks. That is lower than the average new car payment today of 726. But if you had not gotten that loan back in 1994 and instead would have paid all cash for the 130 K property, were you 130 K all cash that was put into the property back then? Well, that would have had the purchasing power of today's approximately 400 K reflected in the price of today's median priced home. But to take it back ten years further to 1984, the George Jefferson year, the median home price was 80 K and your loan would be 60 4k. I mean, these numbers feel like little toys or almost lunch money or something. So this is the power of optimizing your borrowing and perhaps but not quite maximizing your borrowing power because that does risk over leverage. That is the inflation profiting benefit that you're feeling right there.   Keith Weinhold (00:12:59) - Coming up in just a few minutes, the president of one of the most prominent national mortgage companies for investor loans will be here with me. We're going to talk about mortgage rates some more, the overall temperature of the mortgage market. And I expect that she'll give a firm mortgage rate prediction for where we're going to be at year end, because she's done that with us before. They see so many investor loans in there at their lending companies. They've really got a great pulse on the market. We have set up the makeshift gray studio again for yet another week. Here is this week I'm in Nevada, where I will be the best man at my brother's wedding. I have been on the road a lot lately. That's what a geography guy like me does. Gotta get out and see the world. Life is meant to be lived, not postpone. Before we discuss both general and some intermediate Murray's concepts shortly. If you happen to be new to real estate investing. And you just like to listen to that one episode that tells you, step by step, how to get started and how to build your credit score and make an offer on a property, and best navigate the inspection process and the property appraisal inside the management agreement and more.   Keith Weinhold (00:14:15) - You can find that on get Rich Education podcast episode 368. It's simply called How to Buy Your First Rental Property. More next. I'm Keith Reinhold, you're listening to get Rich education. You know, I'll just tell you, for the most passive part of my real estate investing, personally, I put my own dollars with Freedom Family Investments because their funds pay me a stream of regular cash flow in returns are better than a bank savings account up to 12%. Their minimums are as low as 25 K. You don't even need to be accredited for some of them. It's all backed by real estate and that kind of love. How the tax benefit of doing this can offset capital gains and your W-2 jobs income. And they've always given me exactly their stated return paid on time. So it's steady income, no surprises while I'm sleeping or just doing the things I love. For a little insider tip, I've invested in their power fund to get going on that text family to 66866. Oh, and this isn't a solicitation.   Keith Weinhold (00:15:24) - If you want to invest where I do, just go ahead and text family to six, 686, six. Role under the specific expert with income property, you need Ridge Lending Group and MLS for 256. In gray history, from beginners to veterans, they provided our listeners with more mortgages than anyone. It's where I get my own loans for single family rentals up to four plex's. Start your pre-qualification and chat with President Charlie Ridge. Personally, though, even customized plan tailored to you for growing your portfolio. Start at Ridge Lending group.com. Ridge lending group.com.   Speaker 3 (00:16:12) - Hi, this is Tom Hopkins, and I can't tell you how smart you are to be with get rich education and make these ideas you.   Keith Weinhold (00:16:32) - What is the future direction of mortgage rates? How do you qualify for more mortgage loans at the best terms with the lowest interest rates, and Americans have at near record equity levels in their properties? So what's the best way to access that equity yet? Keep your low rate mortgage in place. We're answering all of that today with a company president that's created more financial freedom through real estate than any other lender in the entire nation.   Keith Weinhold (00:16:57) - That is, the top tier and eponymous ridge lending group is time for a big welcome back to Charlie Ridge. Keith, you flatter me. Thank you very much.   Caeli Ridge (00:17:07) - I'm very happy to be here, sir. Good to see you.   Keith Weinhold (00:17:09) - Well, you help us here because debt and loan are our favored four letter words around here at gray. Can you help us efficiently optimize them both, Charlie? Interest rates have just been on so many people's minds. Shortly after, they had their all time low in January of 2021, and they since rose and then have settled down. Charlie, I've been trying to think through myself why people seem to put this over emphasis on the interest rate now. It's surely important. It is your cost of money. But the way I've thought that people overemphasize the rate is because maybe people love to discuss the direction of interest rates, even more so than real estate prices in rents is because prices and rents nearly always go up in interest rates can go up and down. So therefore it's maybe more interesting for people to talk about.   Keith Weinhold (00:17:57) - I also think about how rates sort of tap into that human fear of loss by paying interest, trumping the triumph of gain through cash flow or appreciation. And then maybe as well, it's because higher mortgage rates, they mean higher rates of all types which permeate into all of one's life's debt. So these are my thoughts about why people maybe put an over emphasis on mortgage interest rates. What are your thoughts?   Caeli Ridge (00:18:23) - I'm sure there's probably something to that. And you're right, Keith. Interest rates are always the hot topic. Everybody wants to talk about interest rates. I think that overall though, it is a lack of education and there's a psychology to it. You and I have talked about interest rates at nauseam over the years, and I do understand, but I think you and I agree, because we live in this space and we're constantly looking at the math. They are probably third or fourth on the list of priorities. When you're deciding on if this investment is valid. For fitting into my goal box, I think it's more about getting information out there and informing the masses about interest rates, and doing that math to make sure that they're not just pigeonholing themselves into keeping a 3% interest rate, or not expanding their portfolio because they're afraid of giving up what they have and not really realizing the power of the equity, the tax deduction, the rent increases.   Caeli Ridge (00:19:15) - All of those variables are often ignored when people start talking about interest rates, until you start to have that reasonable, rational conversation that helps them identify what the math is. Because the math won't lie, right? The math will not lie.   Keith Weinhold (00:19:29) - Yeah, that's right. Things more important than interest rate with an investment property might be the price you're paying for that property, or the level of rent that's there, or even maybe knowing you already have a good property manager that you trust in that market where that property is. But of course, rates matter somewhat. Now we're going to get a future looking prediction from you later. But your last mortgage rate prediction, Charlie, you may not remember the details of it. It was made here on the show in November of 2022. That's when rates were 7%. Back at that time, you said that rates should keep climbing but at a slower pace, and that happened. And you predicted the peak by spring of 2023 of 7.625%. What happened is in October of 2023, they hit 7.8% per Freddie Mac.   Keith Weinhold (00:20:17) - So you almost completely nailed it because most everyone believes that that was the peak for this cycle. And if so, you're within a few months in just 2/10 of 1% of identifying the peak.   Caeli Ridge (00:20:32) - Thank you Keith. I appreciate that acknowledgement. I get it right a lot. My crystal ball has been broken several times over, especially the last couple of years, so I'll want to acknowledge that too. I pay attention to the fed and as a good friend of mine is always saying, don't fight the fed if you are listening to what they're saying, actually listening to the words that are coming out of their mouths, it's not too terribly hard to kind of predict where we're going to be in certain milestones of any given year. So I do have a good prediction for this year. We'll share later. As you said, rates are not completely irrelevant. I just want to impress upon your listeners that they really should be looking at the investment holistically, and not just laser focused on that interest rate. There's more to it.   Keith Weinhold (00:21:15) - That was excellent. You have more audacity than me when it comes to predicting interest rates. It's a business I typically stay out of, so I'm going to outsource that to you later. I'll predict things like real estate prices, but I think rates are notoriously difficult. And what's happened with rates now that they have come off their peak substantially from back in October of 2023. What's happened with the refinance business, is that something that's picked up again there?   Caeli Ridge (00:21:39) - Yeah, we're starting to see a bit more. I would say that last year refi numbers were down right for obvious reasons. But we are seeing some more business in the refinance department. I think depending on the individual and largely the strategy of the investment, the long term versus the mid-term versus the short term, we're seeing a little bit more on the refi side for the short term rentals than we are in the long term. But overall, yes, I would agree that they're starting to pick up. I may mention to Keith it might be useful for the listeners.   Caeli Ridge (00:22:06) - So while I agree, we've seen that interest rates started on their descent, which was great news, everybody was excited to see that. We're still finding that the points that are being secured or paid on, especially investment property loans, are still on the high end of the spectrum. And for those that aren't aware of the why behind that, how might be important. Just to mention that when we talk about mortgage backed securities, the overall servicing of these mortgage backed securities that are bought and sold and traded on on the secondary markets, they're pretty smart in forecasting when rates are high, what happens to those mortgages? When they come back down, they start to refinance, right? They start to pay off. And the servicing rights of these loans take 2 to 3 years before they're even profitable. So the servicers and the secondary markets know that they have to charge those extra points to hedge their losses, because when the loans that they're paying for and servicing today are going to pay off in six months or 12 months, they're going to be at a loss.   Caeli Ridge (00:23:01) - If it takes them 24 to 36 months to be profitable. That's why investors are seeing especially investors are seeing extra points being charged on the loans that they're securing today.   Keith Weinhold (00:23:12) - Oh, that's a great explanation. And really, this is because there's no prepayment penalty associated with residential mortgage loans in the United States typically. So therefore, the person that's on the back end of these loans, the investor there needs to be sure that they're compensated somehow when one goes ahead and maybe refinances out of their loan at a presumably lower interest rate, maybe in as little as 12 months or so.   Caeli Ridge (00:23:39) - Yes, sir. Exactly right. Yeah. And prepayment penalties on conventional. There are no prepayment penalties on conventional. Just to clarify on a non QM product which of course we have to, you know, debt service coverage ratio products etc. on non-owner occupied those typically will have prepayment penalties. But the Fannie Freddie stuff, the GSE stuff no prepay ever.   Keith Weinhold (00:23:57) - Now the rates have come down presumably off their peak in this cycle. You know, I think a lot of people wonder about all right now, what's a prudent way for me to harvest my equity since we have near-record equity levels in property and yet keep my low rate mortgage in place? I think a lot of people don't even understand that you can do that and take a second mortgage to access some of that dead equity.   Keith Weinhold (00:24:20) - What are your thoughts?   Caeli Ridge (00:24:21) - I love a keylock in general. We do now have one of our newer product lines is a second lien lock. We have two options there. Both of them cap at 70% LTV. That's combined loan to value. So all you need to do to figure out what you're going to have access to is take the value that you think the property would appraise for times 70% from that number, subtract the first lien balance, and that will give you what your line on a key lock. Secondly, and position you lock would be. And I love it.   Keith Weinhold (00:24:49) - All right. So therefore if one has 50% equity in a property they could access 20% more up to that 70% CLTV. That combined loan to value ratio between your first mortgage and your second mortgage, which might take the form of a keylock a home equity line of credit.   Caeli Ridge (00:25:07) - Perfectly said. We also have second lien he loans worth mention. He loan is really exactly the same thing as your first lien mortgage. It's a fixed rate.   Caeli Ridge (00:25:15) - Second it's just in second lean position 30 year fixed. Those go to 85% CLTV. So you get quite a bit more leverage. But the rates are going to be on the 1,213% range.   Keith Weinhold (00:25:27) - That's interesting. Tell us about some more of the trade offs between the key lock, where we typically have a fixed rate period in a floating period afterwards, and the he loan some more of those trade offs as we devise our strategy.   Caeli Ridge (00:25:41) - Yeah. The key lock is variable right. The interest rate can change. As you said. The reason I prefer the He lock, if the numbers made sense, is that you're only paying interest on monies that you're using at that point in time. So if you had $100,000 key lock and you're only using 20,000 of it for whatever investment purposes or whatever, then you're paying interest just on the 20 that he loan is exactly as you would expect. You're getting all of that money at once, and you will be paying interest on all of it, whether or not you're using it.   Caeli Ridge (00:26:10) - There's less flexibility on a key loan. While it does provide extra leverage, I do generally prefer that he lock.   Keith Weinhold (00:26:18) - Now, sometimes a question that I've asked myself in the past, Charlie, when I was new as an investor, is sort of why wouldn't I take a second mortgage? He lock or he loan? Because I don't necessarily have to draw against it, but it might be good for me to have it as an option just to be sure that it's there.   Caeli Ridge (00:26:36) - Absolutely. Especially the key lock, because like I said, I will not pay interest on anything you're not using. And to have it when the time comes, right. If you want to be prepared, which I think is huge. We both agree there. The one thing I would mention about that though, is oftentimes on the helocs there will be a minimum draw at closing. You can put it right back after closing, but chances are there's going to be a 50,000 or 100,000 minimum draw, depending on what the line limit is.   Caeli Ridge (00:27:01) - Maybe 75% of the entire limit is what the minimum draw would be. But again, you can put it right back after closing. So maybe you pay 30 days of interest on that before you're able to to stick it back in the lock. Otherwise, it's one of my favorite strategies for investors and having access to those funds when the time comes.   Keith Weinhold (00:27:20) - That's an interesting piece there. So you as an investor is you're devising your strategy as you're looking at the equity position in your own home as well as your rental properties. Maybe you're looking at a low rate of, say, you have a 4% mortgage loan, but you've had a bloated equity position, and you go ahead and you take out a second mortgage in any of the forms of Charlie is talking about. And that second mortgage has, say, a 10% interest rate. Well, you don't simply take the 4% on your first loan and your 10% on the second and average it and say, well, now I'm paying 7%. Of course, you have to wait those averages.   Keith Weinhold (00:27:56) - It's pretty likely that you have a higher mortgage balance on your first loan than your second loan. So depending on their balances, therefore, if your first mortgage has a 4% interest rate and your second mortgage has a 10% interest rate, you're blended rate might be something like five and a half.   Caeli Ridge (00:28:10) - Exactly right. And there's all kinds of tools and calculators online. If somebody wanted to check that out you can find them very easily. Just the weighted average of mortgage rates. And you can plug in your numbers. It'll tell you exactly if you're using this amount or this amount or whatever it is, what your weighted average would be.   Keith Weinhold (00:28:27) - Yeah, definitely important for you as an investor checking your arbitrage and your cash flow. Certainly, Charlie, I wonder now that we are in an environment finally where rates have actually fallen, how is the appetite for arms adjustable rate mortgages looked in there?   Caeli Ridge (00:28:44) - We're still on what's called an inverted yield from the 0809 housing and lending kind of debacle, we found ourselves in a place where adjustable rate mortgage or arm's actually priced in interest rate higher than a 30 year fixed, creating that inverted yield.   Caeli Ridge (00:28:58) - We have yet to see the correction of that. So we're still kind of in that place where depending on the characteristics of the transaction, the arm might be a higher interest rate. Maybe it's about the same as the 30 year fixed. If there is a scenario where the arm is lower, it might be an eighth or a quarter of a percentage point. So it's unlikely that we would recommend an arm over a fixed. There'd be have to be some very specific circumstances. If it's only a quarter point improvement to rate for a five year arm versus a 30 year fixed.   Keith Weinhold (00:29:26) - Charlie, you deal with so many investors in there, both newer investors and veteran real estate investors. So when we talk first about the new investors, are there any just sort of common obstacles to overcome that you see in there for people that are looking to get their first investment property?   Caeli Ridge (00:29:45) - I think they're why a lot of times we'll have investors come to us and really not even understand more than they just don't want their money in the stock market anymore, and they want to find another venue or another vehicle in which to create their investment freedom, their financial freedom through.   Caeli Ridge (00:29:59) - So I would say for brand new investors, really start to ask that question, what is your why? What is it that you want to get out of this? Do you want total replacement income of your ordinary income today? Do you love what you do for work and you just want supplemental income? How much does that income need to be? Does it need to be what you're making today? Can it be a little bit less? Does it need to be more based on what you expect your lifestyle to be? So lots of different questions to be asking yourself. So I would say that commonly just really understanding at least a baseline. And then we can start connecting some dots together and planting seeds that I talk about a baseline of, of what it is that you're hoping to accomplish through real estate.   Keith Weinhold (00:30:37) - So that's what you often see with the beginning investor. How about that repeat investor. Their obstacles to overcome that are common in there on expanding one's portfolio. Maybe that's a debt to income ratio threshold that one reaches and you need to strategize with them there.   Caeli Ridge (00:30:54) - Yeah, the debt to income ratio problem ultimately when you get there is probably a good problem to have, right when you're having to have conversations that way. I think that the obstacles to overcome is making sure that you have a good support team, and I think that would start with your lender, someone that has a multitude of loan products that aren't just one size fits all. I would say that we check that box very well, but strategizing. One of my favorite conversations with my clients is having those strategy one on one calls about their debt to income ratio and figuring out from a scheduling perspective, how can we maximize their deductions, because that's one of the beautiful things about real estate investing, right? Is that schedule E so maximizing over there without it taking you over certain thresholds to continue to qualify, there can be a weighted scale there as well. And those are the conversations that we have with our clients usually earlier in the year. But we're always looking at our client's draft tax returns. That's important.   Caeli Ridge (00:31:47) - Before you ring that bell, get us copies of your draft tax returns so that we can run the math, and we'll even show them how the pluses and minuses work. It's pretty interesting to most people. And then come up with a solution that says, okay, if you want to do this for 2024, here are our recommendations X, Y, or Z. And then they can make the informed decision that fits what their goals are for the year.   Keith Weinhold (00:32:08) - Yeah, these are the scenarios that a mortgage loan company that specializes in income property loans can help you with your future planning. How can you set yourself up considering your personal situation, your tax deductions, how much income do you want to show, and all those sorts of things to give you more runway to add income properties to your portfolio. And you do see so many scenarios in there and so many investors. Sometimes when you're here, I like to ask you to get a temperature of the appraisal market. What percent of appraisals are you seeing coming high on and what percent are coming in low? Approximately.   Caeli Ridge (00:32:43) - We're probably over 50% on the high, but not by any large margin. I'll see 10,015 thousand regularly over what we had expected in the actual value. Pretty commonly, just right on the money, right on the mark. I think it's real market specific, to be sure. I don't see that the short values come in all that much. If it is, generally it's probably because the investor is brand new, didn't unfortunately talk to us in advance. They were doing the BR method and they didn't get the right comps or have the right advice about what that RV might end up being. So they got trapped in a situation where they learned the hard way.   Keith Weinhold (00:33:21) - Interesting. I don't know that I remember that from the past, where more than 50% of appraisals have come in high. That pretends well for future valuations, at least here in the near term. All right, Charlie, well, we talked about your record with mortgage rate predictions here and how good that track record was. Why don't you let us know where you think mortgage rates are going to be by the end of 2024.   Caeli Ridge (00:33:45) - I do think that the rates are going to be higher for longer. Don't fight the fed, remember? Listen to what they have to say. I would preface this by saying that all of the indicators for inflation, except for one of them, have been hot to the side. That does not help us with interest rates. The employment jobs report, you've got the CPI, all these different metrics have come in hot where they're higher than what we would want to see them for that inflationary measure, where the feds have been extremely clear that they want to hit that 2% mark, where that number came from, I don't know. That's another conversation. There's only been one metric that actually worked to the rate environment to get it lowered, which is the PCE, the personal consumption expenditure. For those that aren't familiar with that acronym, I think they're going to be higher for longer. There's been a lot of headlines out there saying that I'm getting to a rate. I promise. I'm just going to to preface this first, that March might be the first reduction in the fed funds rate, which, by the way, remember, is not the same as a long term 30 year fixed mortgage rate.   Caeli Ridge (00:34:42) - There are links to them, but they are different. I don't think that's going to happen. I think that if we're going to see rates come down, the first fed funds rate reduction, probably sometime in June, is where I may put my predictions. And then by the end of the year, the interest rate, I'm going to put at 6.125 for 30 year fixed mortgages and non-owner occupied purchase with 25% down. That's my prediction.   Keith Weinhold (00:35:09) - You are on the record though, and it's so interesting, at least with what the fed does with rates generally. It's like an entire world where good news is bad news, right? If you've got great job growth and great GDP, well, that's bad news because they're probably going to keep rates high since those things tend to keep inflation high. It's like, what if you want the lowest mortgage rate, everyone in the world would be unemployed except you. You know, it's just so funny. I'm glad you said that. Yeah.   Caeli Ridge (00:35:36) - The worse the economy is, the better the rates are.   Keith Weinhold (00:35:38) - Yeah. That's right. You offer so many products in there, mostly to investors, but you have other ones that it's not just for buy and hold type of investors. It's for those that are doing better strategies like you mentioned in other strategies. Well, you tell us about all the loan types that you offer in there.   Caeli Ridge (00:35:54) - Yeah, we do have quite a few. Thank you for asking. So we start with the Fannie Freddie's. We call these the golden tickets. Everybody. Highest leverage, lowest interest rate. A lot of times the newer investors will start by exhausting those. There are ten per qualified individual. If you're a married couple, you can have up to 20, as you and I have talked about in the past, Keith. Beyond that, we've got something called Non-cumulative. QM stands for Qualified Mortgage. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the definition of what a qualified mortgage is. So everything outside of that box of underwriting is now non QM. And non QM in and of itself is extremely diverse, not just for investors, for anybody, but within that subset of product you've got debt service coverage ratio where there is no personal income documentation.   Caeli Ridge (00:36:33) - It's all about the properties rents divided by the payment. We have bank statement loans in there. We've got asset depletion. So if you've got $1 million in an exchange, a stock exchange account, there's a formula that we can use to utilize that as income. Beyond that, we have short term bridge loans for those that are fixed and flipping or fixed and holding where you need cash for the purchase and the renovation or rehab. So we have second lien helocs. Those are newer to our product line. So I'm pretty excited about those. We touched on that. We have commercial loans for commercial property, commercial loans for residential if it were applicable. And then of course the all in one, which is a first lien Helocs still my favorite, but we've spent lots of time talking about that. So that's probably a good overview or at least abbreviated checklist of products we have.   Keith Weinhold (00:37:16) - And I've got investor loans in there myself or new purchases I've done investor loans in there myself or Refinancings. I mean, you're who I go to for my own loans and you're in nearly all 50 states, right? And these are the states where the property is not where the investor resides.   Caeli Ridge (00:37:34) - Yes, sir. Exactly right. We are in 48 states. We are not in New York or North Dakota. Otherwise we're going to be funding everywhere that they're looking to purchase, refi, sell, etc..   Keith Weinhold (00:37:45) - We'll let our audience know where they can learn more, because I know you offer a lot of good free tools, like something we didn't get a chance to talk about a first lien helocs all in one loan. Like for example, you have a simulator there when an investor can just go ahead and run through that. So we're one find all of those resources.   Caeli Ridge (00:38:03) - So check out our website. There's a lot of good information on there. Lots of video content free education. The simulator link will be on there. If you wanted to check out the comparison between what you have now, your 3% interest rate, or your 2.5% interest rate compared to this all in one. I'll tell you guys that I've run that scenario all the time, and people are very surprised when they see that this adjustable rate first line is beating the pants off of a 2.25% rate.   Caeli Ridge (00:38:26) - So check that out. Our community is in the website we meet every other Tuesday. It's called live with Charlie. That's Ridge Lending group. Com. Email us info at Ridge Lending Group. Com and then you can call us of course toll free at (855) 747-4343. The easy way to remember is 85574 Ridge.   Keith Weinhold (00:38:45) - Charlie Ridge. Informative as always. And brazen. With the mortgage rate predictions. You can learn more about how they can help you at Ridge Lending group.com. It's been great having you back on the show Charlie.   Caeli Ridge (00:38:58) - Thank you Keith.   Keith Weinhold (00:39:06) - Oh, yeah, there's such experienced pros in there. And as you can see, they offer nearly every loan type. In fact, there were so many that I almost asked her, do you even loan lunch money to elementary school kids? Uh, because, uh, because they've seemingly got a loan type for most every real estate investment scenario that there is primary residence loans as well. Helpful people over there at Ridge. In fact, I even visited their headquarters office and I was hosted by Charlie there one day.   Keith Weinhold (00:39:38) - See what they can do for you in there. They are real strategists in helping you grow your real estate portfolio, going beyond just what a typical retail mortgage company does. It helps people with primary residences. You can join their free community events too, and they've really expanded their educational offerings to a giant degree the past couple of years. Financially free beats debt free, and she helps bring it to life and make it real. So big thanks to Charlie Ridge at Ridge Lending Group. Until next week, I'm your host, Keith Wangled. Don't quit your day dream.   Speaker 5 (00:40:17) - Nothing on this show should be considered specific, personal or professional advice. Please consult an appropriate tax, legal, real estate, financial or business professional for individualized advice. Opinions of guests are their own. Information is not guaranteed. All investment strategies have the potential for profit or loss. 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487: Immigration Crisis Worsens—Severe Housing Impacts Felt

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Play Episode Listen Later Feb 5, 2024 40:37


Immigrants keep pouring into the US' southern border.  How are we going to house them? We're already millions of housing units undersupplied. Some migrants get free housing. Yet there are homeless veterans. Here's what to expect from more immigration: more rental housing demand, more multigenerational dwellings, more homelessness, higher labor supply. Get a simple explanation about title insurance. Our in-house Investment Coach, Naresh, joins us with a real estate market update.  Two popular investment markets are Memphis BRRRRs and Florida new-builds. He provides free coaching at GREmarketplace.com. Timestamps: The immigrant crisis worsens (00:00:01) Discussion on the increasing number of immigrants and the housing shortage crisis in the United States. Housing supply shortage (00:02:44) Analysis of the shortage in housing supply, estimated to be around 4 million units, and the decline in available housing units. Impact of immigration on housing demand (00:05:07) Forecasted impacts of immigration on housing demand and the expected population growth due to immigration. Challenges and solutions for housing immigrants (00:09:03) Discussion on the challenges of housing immigrants and potential solutions, including easing construction restrictions and promoting the building of entry-level housing. Title insurance explained (00:17:29) Explanation of title insurance, its types, and its significance in real estate transactions. Update on property manager's situation (00:15:08) An update on the property manager's situation involving stolen rent payments and the tenant's agreement to compensate for the loss. Mortgage rates and inflation (00:21:52) Discussion on the current mortgage rates and their correlation with inflation, as well as predictions for future rate movements. Mortgage Rates and Fed's Strategy (00:22:54) Discussion on the impact of the Fed's decision to hold rates and its potential effect on mortgage rates. Incentives and Real Estate Markets (00:25:08) Explanation of incentives offered in Memphis and Florida real estate markets, including the BR method and new build properties. Real Estate Investment Strategies (00:29:04) Comparison of the Memphis BR method and Florida new build as investment strategies, emphasizing the benefits of each approach. Property Investment Insights (00:32:16) Discussion on the impact of property ownership and the potential for life-changing outcomes through real estate investment. Economic Uncertainty and Real Estate (00:37:07) Anticipation of potential economic volatility and its impact on real estate investment decisions, emphasizing the stability of real estate during uncertain times. Resources mentioned: Show Page: GetRichEducation.com/487 For access to properties or free help with a GRE Investment Coach, start here: GREmarketplace.com Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Invest with Freedom Family Investments.  You get paid first: Text FAMILY to 66866 Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review”  Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com GRE Free Investment Coaching: GREmarketplace.com/Coach Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free— text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Complete episode transcript:   Keith Weinhold (00:00:01) - Welcome to GRE. I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. Hold. The immigrant crisis worsens. Where are we going? To house all these people. A simple explainer on what title insurance is. Then where do you find the best real estate deals in this market today on get Rich education. If you like the get Rich education podcast, you're going to love our Don't Quit Your Daydream newsletter. No, I here I write every word of the letter myself. It wires your mind for wealth. It helps you make money in your sleep and updates you on vital real estate investing trends. It's free! Sign up and get rich education.com/letter. It's real content that makes a real difference in your life, spiced with a dash of humor. Rather than living below your means, learn how to grow your means right now. You can also easily get the letter by texting gray to 66866. Text gray to 66866.   Speaker 2 (00:01:06) - You're listening to the show that has created more financial freedom than nearly any show in the world. This is get rich education.   Keith Weinhold (00:01:22) - Welcome to jewelry heard in 188 world nations from Lima, Ohio to Lima, Peru. I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. Get rich education founder, Forbes Real Estate Council member and longtime real estate investor. Our mission here. Let's provide people with good housing, help abolish the term slumlord and get paid five ways at the same time. Immigrants keep pouring into our southern border. In fact, federal agents encountered roughly 2.5 million migrants there just last year alone. Now, though, not all will become permanent residents. Understand? 2.5 million. That's the population of the city proper of Chicago or Houston. All in just one year. How are we going to house all these migrants? This crisis has only worsened in that 2.5 million migrants in a year figure is, according to US Customs and Border Protection data. Now, understand first that America has about 140 million existing housing units. That's what we're dealing with today. By every estimate out there, we already have a housing shortage. The layperson on the street knows that and estimates about its magnitude.   Keith Weinhold (00:02:44) - I mean, they're all over the map, some as high is America is already 7 million housing units undersupplied in order to house our current population. And you have other estimates as low is that we're only 1.5 million housing units. Undersupplied. So let's interpolate and kind of be conservative, or just use a figure closer to a common consensus and say that we are 4 million housing units. Undersupplied. All right. But if that's our given, here's what that means. 4 million housing units undersupplied to merely reach a balanced housing supply, we'd need to build enough homes to meet population growth, plus 400,000 on top of that. And we'd have to do that every single year for an entire decade. Just astounding. And to be clear, that's not to be oversupplied with housing. That's just to reach an equilibrium between supply and demand. Now, the supply of available housing, and this is basically what I'm going to talk about next, is the number of homes for sale at any given time, right. That began gradually descending in 2016.   Keith Weinhold (00:04:02) - And back then it was one and a half to 2 million available units. And in the spring of 2020, like I've talked about before, the housing supply just crashed to well below 1 million, and it still hasn't gotten up from its mighty fall. In fact, it's only about 700,000 units available today. All right, that is the Fred active listing count and Fred's sources there. Statistics from Realtor.com. All right, so that's what we're dealing with. That's a dire situation. All right, well, how do housing starts? Look, are we building up out of the ground enough to maybe start getting a handle on this sometime in the next decade? I mean, is there anything that could be more encouraging than more housing starts? Well, really, there's nothing encouraging there at all. In fact, new housing construction starts have hit a ten month low. My gosh. So that's the supply side. All right. What about the housing demand side? Well America's population grew by 1.6 to 1.8 million people between 2022 and 2023.   Keith Weinhold (00:05:07) - And that number is forecast to climb during the next few years, worsening the housing shortage crisis. And with US births falling and deaths rising, it's immigration, immigration is what is going to fuel the majority of population growth for the next decade. Immigrant related growth that is going to impact local housing markets across the country. And it's expected to hit especially hard in the northeast, Florida, California, Nevada and Texas. And what's happening is outraging some people. Some cities are housing migrants in public places, even arenas, including ones that Texas Governor Greg Abbott has bused to the northeast. And, of course, New York City Mayor Eric Adams has been outspoken about how to handle the migrant crisis. Understand that there are homeless veterans out there in America, yet the state of Maine is giving migrants up to two years of free rent for new apartments. In that right there has made a lot of people. And there are a lot of other cases out there like that of migrants getting free housing. Now, just consider this John Burroughs research and consulting.   Keith Weinhold (00:06:31) - They provide a lot of good information to the real estate market, and they have for a long time credit to them. And by the way, if you'd like us to invite John Burns onto the show here or if you have any other comments or questions or concerns, feel free to write into us through get Rich education. Com slash contact. So you can send either an email or leave a voice message. Well, according to their industry respected data, some of which is compiled through the US Census Bureau back in 2021, that's when we reached an inflection point where the US population grew more through immigration than it did through natural increase in natural change. That is simply the births minus deaths, and that is continued each year since there is more US population growth through immigration than there is through natural increase. In fact, bring it up to last year, our population grew by 1.1 million through immigration and just 500,000 through natural increase, more than double more than double the increase through immigration as natural change. And John Burns makes the forecast through the year 2033.   Keith Weinhold (00:07:47) - So the next nine years, the growth through immigration will outstrip that some more and become double to triple that of natural growth overall. Every single year through 2033, we'll add 1.7 to 2 million Americans. And they all need to be housed somewhere. So the bottom line here is that immigration fueled growth already outstrips natural growth. And that should continue and only be weighted more heavily toward immigrants every single year for the next decade, probably beyond the next decade. We just don't have projections that far yet. Well, how are you going to house all these people when we're already badly undersupplied and understand I'm not making any judgments on saying who or who should not be able to enter our nation. That is for someone else to decide. And in fact, I'm the descendant of immigrants. They're my ancestors. And you may very well be too. And over the long term, immigrants can be an asset. I am simply here asking where and how are we going to house them for the next decade and what that means to you.   Keith Weinhold (00:09:03) - Tiny homes, 3D printed homes, shipping container homes none of them seem to be the answer. And of course, population forecasts. When you look out in the future like that, they're going to vary based on the percentage of successful asylum seekers in the 2024 presidential election winner, and more. So, the figures that I shared with you, they are only the average case. In any case, the crisis is poised to worsen because now you've seen that there is a terrible mismatch between population growth and housing starts. How are you going to solve this? The government needs to ease construction restrictions and promote the building of entry level housing. More up zoning should be allowed. Do you know what up zoning is? It means just what it sounds like increasing the housing density, often by building taller buildings. So up zoning is taller building heights. All right. Well let's look at really.   Speaker 3 (00:10:02) - Four.   Keith Weinhold (00:10:03) - Big impacts that this immigration wave is having on America's already scarce supply of housing. New immigrants typically rent property. They don't buy property.   Keith Weinhold (00:10:16) - So that's higher rental housing demand. Secondly, expect more multigenerational and family oriented dwellings. That's what's needed with additional bedrooms and affordable price points like entry level single family rentals. If you want to own rental property, that right there is the spot for durable demand. And thirdly, I'm sorry, another impact is expect to see more homeless people in your community like I've touched on before. In fact, homelessness is already up 12% year over year. That's partly due to inflation, and that is already the biggest jump. Since these point in time surveys have been used. The biggest ever jump in homelessness are ready. Those stats only go back to 2007. That's when they begin measuring it. And that's according to HUD and federal officials. And then the fourth and final impact of all this immigration is that builders and manufacturers will probably see a small uptick in labor availability these next. Few years. Okay, that part could help. America could help with this labor shortage crunch. But all the other major impacts put more demand and strain on what's already a paucity of American housing supply.   Keith Weinhold (00:11:36) - And the bottom line is that there are too many people competing for too little housing, driving up prices and driving up rents this decade. I've been talking about lots of people moving north across borders. Me, I've recently moved south across borders, though for only a few weeks here. I'm joining you from here in Medellin, Colombia today, where in between doing my real estate research here, I'll be trekking in the Colombian Andes this week and the Ecuadorian Andes next week, when I'll be based in Ecuador's national capital of Quito. And, you know, there's a real estate lesson in this itself. Really? Okay, me traveling to Colombia and Ecuador, people often label and mischaracterize areas that they haven't been to or say they hear of the drug trade in Colombia or of some of the more recent, I guess, civil unrest in Ecuador, where I'll be next week. And they think, sheesh, isn't it dangerous in those places? Oh come on, I mean, sheesh, Colombia is a nation of 52 million people and it's almost twice the size of Texas.   Keith Weinhold (00:12:44) - The question is where? Where in Colombia do you think is dangerous? Don't you expect there would be great variability there? Now you the great listener. You're smarter than the average American. So I think that you get it with last month's continued civil uprising in Ecuador, seeing that story in the news that actually reminded me to book a trip there, the opposite of staying away when they held up all the people at that TV station that was way out in Guayaquil, Ecuador. To tie in the real estate lesson here. Back to your home nation. If you do live in the US or wherever you live like I do, see our investment coach, Andrea. She moved from Georgia to the Detroit Metro a couple of years ago. I don't think you'd want to invest in real estate in Andrea's neighborhood, where she lives in Detroit, because it's too nice. The property prices are high and the numbers wouldn't work for you in an upper end neighborhood of metro Detroit. But people that haven't been to Detroit don't think about areas being too ritzy for investment.   Keith Weinhold (00:13:49) - Well, of course, some of the areas are. Some of my point is, stereotypes are hard to shake. I encourage you to get out and see the world now. I've got an interesting and really an unlikely update on my property manager that had the tenant rent payments stolen from his drop box, meaning I didn't get paid the rent. The property manager, he didn't make good on that and pay me the rent. He wanted me to take the loss from the rent payment that he failed to secure from the paper money order stolen from his overnight drop box. So the manager doesn't want to take the loss. I don't want to take the loss well, and I can hardly believe this, but apparently the tenant has agreed to make the property manager hold. The tenant would effectively pay rent twice for that month, and then the property manager will apparently finally pay me the missing rent after it flows through him. The manager. I don't know if the property manager had to convince the tenant that it's the tenant's responsibility to put the payment right into the manager's hands, or what? So the tenant, what they're going to do is pay an extra $200 a month until the $1,950 stolen rent is compensated, I guess what, eight months of stepped up rent.   Keith Weinhold (00:15:08) - And so I was just really surprised that the tenant would agree to do that. And, you know, in this saga that I've been describing to you for, I guess, the third week in a row now, you know, one Jerry listener, they asked me something like, doesn't your property manager know that you're rather influential in the real estate world? Like thinking maybe I'd get preferential treatment? Oh, to that I say, no, I don't want preferential treatment. I mean, few things are more annoying in society than people that position themselves like that. But I will tell you that I actually did meet this property manager in person before he started managing my properties, and he did wear a suit and tie in the conference room for meeting me, which I thought was interesting. Later today on the show, we've got a guest that's familiar to you. He was somewhat bearish on real estate when he was here with us back in November. That's when he talked about how activity was slow, and you might even want to sit on the sidelines of adding more property to your portfolio.   Keith Weinhold (00:16:10) - We'll see if that's changed today. Now over on YouTube, you might very much like watching me in our explained. Video series because in a video format, I can show you where the numbers come from at. Very simply, break down an investing term like net worth for one video or cash flow, or your return on amortization in another one. There's also a new video in our explained series about title insurance, and this is what you'll hear over there. The title to a house is the document that proves that the owner owns it. Without that proof, the house can't be bought or sold, and title insurance is written by title insurance companies. What a title insurance company does is research the history of the house to see if there are any complications, also known as clouds, in its ownership issues that cloud the title could be like an outstanding old mortgage that the prospective seller has on the property. A previous deed that wasn't signed or wasn't written correctly and unresolved legal debt or a levy by a creditor, like an old lien placed by a contractor who once did some work on the windows and was never paid for it.   Keith Weinhold (00:17:29) - They're all examples of clouds on a title, and make transferring the property ownership difficult or impossible. But if the title appears to be clean, no clouds, then the title insurer writes a policy promising to cover the expenses of correcting any title problems if they would happen to get discovered after the sale. Title companies may refuse to insure a clouded title to be transferred, so it's important to know about any potential issues as soon as possible. Now there are two types of title insurance. There is lender's title insurance and owner's title insurance. First, lenders title insurance. In most areas of the country, the mortgage lender requires that the property buyer purchase a lender title insurance policy to protect the lender's security interest in the real estate. Lender's title insurance is issued in the amount of the mortgage loan and the amount of coverage decreases and finally disappears as the mortgage loan is paid off. And then secondly, owner's title insurance. It protects the homebuyers interest and is normally issued in the amount of the purchase price of the property. Coverage means that the insurer will pay all valid claims on the title as insured, and in most real estate transactions, separate title policies are purchased for the lender and the buyer, and although it can vary by location, the buyer typically purchases the policy for the lender, whereas the seller often pays for the policy for the buyer.   Keith Weinhold (00:19:12) - And that's title insurance, if you like. Simple to the point education by video like that, and you'd want to get a really good look at me for some inexplicable reason. Uh, for more, check out the new explained series. It is now on our get Rich education YouTube channel or next. I'm Keith Reinhold, you're listening to get Rich education. Render this a specific expert with income property you need. Ridge lending Group Nmls 42056. In gray history, from beginners to veterans, they provided our listeners with more mortgages than anyone. It's where I get my own loans for single family rentals up to four Plex's. 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Oh, and this isn't a solicitation. If you want to invest where I do, just go ahead and text family to six, six eight, six, six.   Speaker 4 (00:21:21) - Anybody? It's Robert Elms with a Real Estate Guys radio program. So glad you found Keith White old and get rich education. Don't quit your day dream.   Keith Weinhold (00:21:40) - Hey. Well, I'd like to welcome in someone that you might have met by now. That is one of our terrific investment coaches. Narration. The race. Hey, welcome back onto the show.   Naresh Vissa (00:21:49) - Keith. It's a pleasure to be back on race.   Keith Weinhold (00:21:52) - I know you've got mortgage rates on your mind. It's been such an interesting topic lately, since they peaked at about 8% back in October of 2023, and almost everyone this year anticipates that now that embedded inflation is lower, that rates of all types are going to fall, rates in inflation are typically correlated. And why don't you talk to us with your thoughts about where mortgage rates are currently and where they go from here?   Naresh Vissa (00:22:19) - Like you said, mortgage rates peaked around October. The fed did their last rate hike in July 2023, so that's why the lagging effect caused rates to rise a little. And then they've been slowly creeping down since October. And what does that mean? Or where do we go from here in this new year 2024? I've been pretty spot on with what the Fed's going to do. I think they made some mistakes. I think they should have done 2 or 3 more 25 basis point hikes in 2023 because we're seeing inflation creep back up.   Naresh Vissa (00:22:54) - And that's a huge problem for the fed because their target is 2%. But that's a completely different topic. We get Monday morning quarterback the fed all we want. The fed has essentially come out and said that their rate hiking campaign is over. They've hiked enough and it's a take it or leave it. They're just going to hold and hold and hold until inflation reaches that 2% target. So what does that mean for mortgage rates? If we know that the fed isn't going to raise rates anymore, that means we are. We've already seen it. Mortgage rates have slowly creeped down. And there is a legitimate chance that the inflation rate that the CPI hits 2% by this summer, there is a chance of that. Right now we're at 3.3 or 3.4%, but there is a good chance that by the end of this summer, let's say August, we hit that 2% target, which means the fed will immediately start cutting rates after that whenever the next meeting is, I think September 2024, they'll start cutting rates, which means that's going to have an effect on mortgage rates.   Naresh Vissa (00:24:00) - We can see mortgage rates plummet even more later this year going into 2025. Now, this is just a prediction. There's a chance that inflation could go up if there is a middle East crisis or World War three or whatever you want to call it, there's a chance that inflation spikes back up and the fed just they could hold rates where they are for two years. I don't have a crystal ball in front of me. There was a black swan event that happened in 2020. Obviously, there could be a black swan event that happens in 2024. We won't know. But what we do know is the fed is done hiking rates and they're going to hold as long as possible until we get to that 2% inflation target. What does that mean for real estate? If mortgage rates are going back down, you're getting a better deal today than you were in October 2023 or November 2023. So it's almost 100 basis points lower from the peak that we saw in October. So interest rates have gone down. They've somewhat normalized to a level that digestible for investors, still not quite digestible for the average homeowner.   Naresh Vissa (00:25:08) - And the best part about this, Keith, is that the providers who we work with are still offering amazing incentives, the same amazing incentives, if not better, with the lower interest rates. So previously we brought up a 5.75% interest rate incentive program, one year free property management, another program that was two two for two years of free property management, 2% closing cost credit, $4,000 property management credit, all sorts of incentives. And those incentives are still in play while interest rates have gone down. So instead of 5.75% incentive that these providers are offering, they're now offering 4.5% interest rate. So that's why I think if there were no incentives, hey, you know what? We should probably wait until the fed starts cutting again. But with these incentives, this is incredible because they're going to be gone again the moment the fed starts cutting aggressively. These incentives are all gone. So you may as well get in. Now when home values have somewhat corrected and some markets are seeing precipitous declines, home value declines, real estate declines.   Naresh Vissa (00:26:20) - So right now it's still an excellent time to invest. Given this economic landscape.   Keith Weinhold (00:26:26) - Gray listeners are pretty savvy. And you the listener, you realize that changes in the fed funds rate don't have a direct change, and they don't move in lockstep with the 30 year fixed rate mortgages. The fed has really loaded up with the fed funds rate near 5%. Now they basically have a whole lot of ammo in the cartridge where they can go ahead and lower rates if the economy begins to get into trouble. One reason mortgage rates are higher than other long term rates is that US mortgages can be prepaid without any penalty. The anomaly in what's been different and what's been happening here is that typically there's a spread of about 1.75% between the ten year note, which has been 4% or so recently. And the 30 year mortgage rate is about 1.75% higher, which. She would put it at 5.75, but instead mortgage rates have been almost 7%. So a greater than usual historic spread between the ten year teno, which is more what mortgage rates are based off of and what that rate actually is, and the reason that that spread has been so high as this perceived greater credit risk or anticipated economic changes like this recession that is always just perpetually around the corner.   Keith Weinhold (00:27:44) - So we don't really know where mortgage rates are going to go. We know that they're not high. They're actually below their long term average. But of course, they just feel high because the only thing that was unusual is the rate at which they've increased. With that in mind here as we talk about mortgage rates nowadays. Why don't you tell us more about the incentives that are being offered right now?   Naresh Vissa (00:28:03) - The incentives are still being offered. The question is, Keith, I want to share two different strategies or two different markets. It's kind of a mix of strategy and market. The two most popular markets we are seeing right now are in Memphis, Tennessee, and in Florida. Still, Florida continues to be hot. Why is that? Why these two markets? Well, number one, Memphis still has a lot of rehab properties that you can purchase in the 100 to $150,000 range. Before the pandemic, it was common to see properties selling for 60 to $80,000. Those properties are a dime a dozen now, because of what we've already talked about the inflation, the home values, rising real estate going up.   Naresh Vissa (00:28:51) - Memphis still offers those options. Now we work with a provider in Memphis who specializes in the BR method, the B or R r. So it's for cause the BR.   Keith Weinhold (00:29:04) - It's not the February temperatures. BR yes.   Naresh Vissa (00:29:07) - Yeah. It's not the February temperatures. It stands for you buy rehab rent then you refinance and then you repeat it with the next property. So buy rehab rent refinance repeat. So this is a little different from your traditional real estate investing where you're just buying. It's already rehabbed. So you're buying renting it out. And then end of story here. It's a strategy that is meant to build equity. Almost immediately. You rehab it. And look we're not going to get into the details of this right now. I highly recommend that, folks, they can go to the GRE marketplace and set up a meeting with me if they want to talk some more about BR or if their experience and they know about BR, they may not know that we offer BR properties. But our investors have loved Memphis, BR.   Naresh Vissa (00:30:02) - They have loved it. They have bought more and more is one of our hottest asset classes or strategies right now. Memphis BR so highly recommend it. What are the incentives? There actually no incentives that our Memphis, BR provider is offering, because the incentive of the BR strategy is enough to get people to keep buying. They keep getting inventory, they don't run out. They find ways to make it work. Now in Florida, we work with a provider who we've featured on this show a couple of times before, and they're owned by the largest Japanese real estate developer called Sumitomo Forestry. They're one of the largest Japanese companies in the world. Warren Buffett owns a huge stake, Berkshire Hathaway in Sumitomo. So I highly recommend this Florida provider because they're able to offer properties that values that other providers can't compete with at prices that other providers can't compete with. They're offering the incentives that I told you, the 4.5% program, in some cases, you can buy down the rate all the way down to 4.25% if you want.   Naresh Vissa (00:31:10) - They have two years free property management or one year free property. It just depends on the package that you choose. They're offering closing cost credits. You can negotiate the list price. These are the two most popular partners we are currently working with, and I highly recommend if you are liking this real estate market, you're seeing lower interest rates. You're seeing that there's been a correction in home values and you want to get in right now. Contact your investment coach. If you don't have an investment coach, go to the marketplace. You can select me if you want, or you can select the other investment coach Andrea, it's up to you and we can share more information.   Keith Weinhold (00:31:52) - You're talking about two different strategies here, the Memphis BR and the Florida Newbuild. And I think of the Memphis burger is something that's lower cost. It's for an investor with a more aggressive disposition where it will take some of your involvement, even though it's still only going to be remote involvement. And then on the flip side, with the Florida new build, you're going to benefit from those low bought down rates that the builder will buy down for you.   Keith Weinhold (00:32:16) - The longer you plan to hold the property, the more the rate buy down is going to benefit you. And then also think of the Florida new build is kind of being a low noise investment.   Naresh Vissa (00:32:29) - You're absolutely correct, Keith. So I highly recommend those who are sitting on the fence. I've come on this podcast before and said, hey, Keith, you know, right now I'm not really sure where things are going. Like it's a little dead. Maybe investors should hold off.   Keith Weinhold (00:32:44) - Yeah, back in November, that was your guidance?   Naresh Vissa (00:32:46) - Yep. That was. And now I think because we've seen the lower interest rates, you can just get in at a much better deal. Everyone can be happy. I think our investors would be happy. And it's a great time to start investing in real estate again. Don't put it off. I remember when I first got into real estate, I was putting it off, putting it off, and I look back and I say, man, I should have gotten in four years earlier or five years earlier.   Keith Weinhold (00:33:13) - How many properties do you think it took for you to buy until it changed your life? For me, it was probably when I bought my second fourplex and I had eight units. But I think if you're buying single family homes, it takes probably fewer units than that to really start changing your life.   Naresh Vissa (00:33:30) - Yeah, one units aren't going to change your life. Two units aren't going to change your life. In my case, it's just a personal story. I bought one the first year, another one the second year, and then my third year I scaled from 2 to 7. That was the life changing experience right there. And the last two properties I bought were new construction. So number seven and number eight were new constructions. And that also changed my strategy too, because I said, hey, new construction is just so much better than these older rehab properties, just less headache. We've talked about this before on previous episodes, and so moving forward, I'm actually saving up right now to buy my next new construction property.   Naresh Vissa (00:34:13) - New construction. Me personally, I think that's a way to go, there's no doubt about it. And because I went from 2 to 7, that was the game changer for me, at least on the taxes on the passive cash flow. And look, I'm relatively young. I'm in my mid 30s. But when I think about retirement, which I don't think about much, but sometimes I do, and when I do think about it, I'm like these eight properties, if I hold on to them, that's a nice retirement that I have in retirement. That's a great passive cash flow. By then the mortgages will be paid off. Although we believe in refi til you die. Just to get a little more specific about some of these incentives, I'm looking at the Florida ones right in front of me. Option one, for example, is a 4.25% interest rate. That's where the buy down the 2.75% buyer paid point buy down. But it comes with two years of free property management. I think the best deal if you want zero buy down it's two years of free property management seller paid closing costs of 1.5%.   Naresh Vissa (00:35:19) - So that's a 1.5% closing cost credit and a 5.75% interest rate that you'll be locked into. I think that's a pretty darn good deal.   Keith Weinhold (00:35:30) - There are some attractive options there. Yeah. It's interesting you raised when you talk about how many properties does it take to change one's life. Yeah. You're right. When you buy your first property, your second property, it isn't life changing. You probably haven't own property long enough yet to benefit from leverage, and surely not cash flow just off 1 or 2 properties. But what happens is you accumulate more is sometimes you don't have to use and save up your own money to buy a new property. You might want to do that, but at the same time, the properties that you bought a few years ago have built up enough equity. So now that rather than your money buying new properties, it's like your properties, buy your new properties for you as you do these cash out refinances. And that's where you really get things rolling. So it can take a few properties and a few years.   Keith Weinhold (00:36:16) - But nowadays you're so right about the opportunity really being with New Build. Today I'm a guest on other shows and a lot of people are just an economics host. They think about real estate investing, they think about higher mortgage rates, and they're like, you know, where's the opportunity for an investor today? And that's usually what I tell him. It's with these builder rate buy downs on new build properties. Take advantage of that this year.   Naresh Vissa (00:36:38) - Absolutely. So like I said great marketplace. You can get more information set up meetings with Andrea or me or whoever you're assigned investment coaches. If you don't have an assigned investment coach, take your pick and let's get your real estate investment journey either started or on cruise control.   Keith Weinhold (00:36:57) - If you have any last thoughts, whether that's this year's direction of prices or rents or the economy as it relates to real estate or anything else at all.   Naresh Vissa (00:37:07) - Well, Keith, I think we're about to see and we don't get political on here, but for whatever reason, we tend to see crazy financial markets during election years, whether it's presidential elections or midterm elections.   Naresh Vissa (00:37:22) - We saw the stock market drop wildly in 2022 during a midterm election year. Of course, 2020 will never forget the craziness of lockdowns and masking and social distancing and what the financial markets did. I mean, all the at least the stock market. President Trump lost all the gains that he had in the stock market as president, were lost in over a two month period in February and March 2020 because of pandemic. And then they came surging back. So the point that I'm making here is economically, I shared my vision of just systematically, I think inflation is going to hit the 2% by the end of the summer. The experts initially thought it would hit the 2% by March. In the latest CPI reading showed that inflation actually went up. I think we're going to see some type of, I don't want to call it a black swan, but this year is not going to go according to plan. Maybe the inflation plummets because something deflationary happens. Or maybe the inflation rises again because something inflationary happens. That's just not on our radar.   Naresh Vissa (00:38:30) - So how does that affect real estate. Well that doesn't change what we said five minutes ago, which is right now, today. Given all this uncertainty, today is still a great time to jump in, because if there is a deflationary event, you can always refinance your rate in a year or two when rates are much lower. And remember, mortgage rates are tax deductible.   Keith Weinhold (00:38:54) - A presidential election year brings more uncertainty than usual. You can buffer yourself from that volatility with real estate and investment that's more stable than most anything else out there. I encourage you, the listener, to check out Naresh and the other coach, Andrea at Great Marketplace, and it can really help you out and help you put a plan together. Hey, it's been great having your thoughts. I think the listeners are going to find this helpful. Thanks for sharing your expertise. Thanks, Keith. Yeah, there's some valuable guidance from Naresh on where the real deals are in this market today. Memphis Bears and Florida, new builds. 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Get Rich Education
486: Should We Eliminate the Property Tax? Featuring Tom Wheelwright

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 29, 2024 40:03


California is strengthening protections for tenants. I discuss. It's already a disadvantageous state for real estate investors.  My Property Manager had my tenant's $1,550 rent payment stolen from his drop box last year. He expects me to take the loss. I won't. Who is liable for the payment - the thief, bank, tenant, manager, or the investor (me)? Tom Wheelwright, CEO of WealthAbility, joins me. We discuss the role of property tax in funding essential services.  The conversation touches on the regressive nature of property tax, alternatives to it, and the importance of understanding tax strategies. US taxes of all types keep ratcheting higher over time. But they're still lower than most world nations.  The episode also considers the impact of elections on tax policies, emphasizing the need for informed voting regarding taxation. You need a tax professional that knows how to find you all the deductions for real estate investors here: GetRichEducation.com/Tax Timestamps: Landlord-Tenant Relationships (00:00:00) Discussion on landlord-tenant relationships, stolen rent payment, and potential elimination of property tax. New Renter Protections in California (00:02:30) Overview of new laws in California regarding upfront deposit amounts, eviction protections, and banning of crime-free housing policies. Options for Homeowners in California (00:03:50) Details about new housing laws in California, including more options for accessory dwelling units and their impact on the housing crisis. Stolen Rent Payment Dilemma (00:05:53) Narrative about a stolen rent payment, liability concerns, and the property manager's proposed resolution. Feasibility of Eliminating Property Tax (00:13:45) Discussion on the possibility of abolishing property tax and its funding of schools, fire departments, and police services. Property Tax Funding (00:18:37) Insights into the funding of property tax and its allocation to schools, fire departments, and police services. Property Tax and Its Impact (00:19:37) Discussion on the challenges and implications of property tax as a wealth tax and its regressive nature. National Property Tax Rates (00:20:40) Exploration of the national average property tax rate and its impact on property value and inflation. Proposition 13 in California (00:21:34) Analysis of the impact and benefits of Proposition 13 in California, which limits property tax increases for homeowners staying in the same home. Alternatives to Property Tax (00:23:27) Exploration of alternative taxation methods, such as transaction tax and the potential elimination of property tax in favor of a transaction tax. Primary Residence Capital Gains Tax Exemption (00:25:16) Insights into the primary residence capital gains tax exemption and its impact on homeowners, including the need for inflation adjustments. Future Taxation Trends (00:27:24) Discussion on the potential for heavier taxation and comparisons with taxation policies in other countries. Potential New Tax Types (00:29:16) Exploration of the possibility of new tax types, including the concept of a poll tax and its implications. Value Added Tax and Tax Reduction Strategies (00:31:17) Insights into the potential implementation of a value-added tax in the United States and strategies for tax reduction through understanding the tax code. Selecting the Right Tax Advisor (00:33:00) Advice on choosing a qualified CPA and the importance of having a knowledgeable tax advisor for effective tax planning. Election Year and Taxation Policies (00:34:54) Analysis of the potential impact of the upcoming election on taxation policies and the importance of considering tax implications when voting. Property Tax and School Funding (end) Perspective on property tax funding for schools and the broader community impact, addressing objections to paying property tax. Property Tax (00:37:07) Discussion on the controversial nature of property tax and its impact on property ownership. Tax Strategy and Deductions (00:38:13) Importance of finding the right tax professional for real estate investors to maximize deductions and benefits. Disclaimer (00:39:25) Legal disclaimer regarding the information provided in the podcast and the need to consult appropriate professionals for personalized advice. Resources mentioned: Show Page: GetRichEducation.com/486 Get matched with the right tax pro: www.GetRichEducation.com/Tax Tom's book, “Tax-Free Wealth”: https://www.amazon.com/Tax-Free-Wealth-Massive-Permanently-Lowering/dp/1612681204 For access to properties or free help with a GRE Investment Coach, start here: GREmarketplace.com Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Invest with Freedom Family Investments.  You get paid first: Text FAMILY to 66866 Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review”  Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com GRE Free Investment Coaching: GREmarketplace.com/Coach Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free— text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Complete episode transcript:   Keith Weinhold (00:00:00) - Welcome to GRE. I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. California and new renter protections. My own property manager had my tenants rent payments stolen from his drop box, and he wants me to take the loss. Then Tom Wheelwright joins me for a discussion about can we abolish the property tax today on get rich education? If you like the Get Rich Education podcast, you're going to love our Don't Quit Your Daydream newsletter. No, I here I write every word of the letter myself. It wires your mind for wealth. It helps you make money in your sleep and updates you on vital real estate investing trends. It's free. Sign up and Get Rich Education. Com slash letter. It's real content that makes a real difference in your life, spiced with a dash of humor. Rather than living below your means, learn how to grow your means right now. You can also easily get the letter by texting GRE to 66866. Text GRE to 66866.   Speaker 2 (00:01:06) - You're listening to the show that has created more financial freedom than nearly any show in the world.   Speaker 2 (00:01:13) - This is get rich education.   Keith Weinhold (00:01:22) - Welcome to GRE! From Montpelier, France, to Montpelier, Vermont, and across 188 nations worldwide. And Keith Weinhold, in your listening to get rich education across the United States, it's fortunate for us that states with landlord friendly policies also tend to be those states where the numbers make sense to. And for landlord tenant relationships, it's the state and local policies that often trump the national ones. Now, of course, in residential real estate or any real estate for that matter. I mean, you can make money in all 50 states, of course, but there's a reason that we generally avoid certain places, and that includes California. One difficulty in California has long been the process of getting a prompt eviction. It can be hard to do that even if you have just cause, where it can take months and months, or even longer than a year to get an eviction. Let's listen in to this minute and a half clip on how tenants rights are being strengthened in California. Just a little more.   Speaker 3 (00:02:30) - Well, every month, renters in California spend a hefty portion of their paychecks on housing. And as we kick off, 2024, seven is on your side with the new laws. Renters should know to save some money and also protect themselves against eviction. Before you lock in an apartment, you usually need your first month plus a security deposit in advance. Well, now the amount you have to pay up front could potentially drop by thousands of dollars.   Speaker 4 (00:02:54) - Landlords can now charge just one month of security deposit up front, and previously they could charge two months if the unit was unfurnished or even up to three months of the unit was furnished.   Speaker 3 (00:03:05) - Renters are also getting new eviction protections. Soon, it will be harder for landlords to evict a tenant under the no fault, just cause policy. Currently, a tenant can be evicted if the landlord or landlord's family is going to move in, but starting April 1st, the landlord or their family will have to move in within 90 days and live there for at least a year.   Speaker 3 (00:03:24) - Local governments are also now banned from crime free housing policies. Cities and counties can't mandate penalties or evictions against people who have been charged, convicted or had police called on them. The ban also applies to the family members of tenants. Now, renters are not the only ones benefiting from the new housing laws. Homeowners will now have more options when it comes to so-called granny flats or accessory dwelling units.   Speaker 4 (00:03:50) - Now they can separate and either build or sell an Adu and accessory dwelling unit and sell that separately as a condo. Lawmakers think that that's something that's going to help the state's housing crisis.   Speaker 3 (00:04:02) - And with housing prices sky high, this could give many would be homebuyers the opportunity they need to afford a starter home.   Keith Weinhold (00:04:09) - Yeah. So there it is in California this year. Lower upfront deposit amounts for tenants and more protection from evictions. California landlords, they can now charge just one month of security deposit upfront. That's the most they can charge. Previously, they could charge two months if the unit was unfurnished and up to three months security deposit if the unit was furnished.   Keith Weinhold (00:04:36) - Now, on the flip side, you've got to give California credit for helping homeowners, existing homeowners. They will now have more options when it comes to so-called ADUs accessory dwelling units, which some people call granny flats, because now they can separate and either build or sell in Adu. They could sell that separately as a condo, and that might help California's affordable housing crisis and the housing shortage crisis that could give more California homebuyers the opportunity that they need to afford a starter home. So that is better for first time homebuyers in California. And whether you live there or not, this matters. California has the same population as all of Canada in between 11 and 12% of all US residents are indeed Californians. Let me tell you about a completely weird situation that I have with one of my property managers. Now, I own rental properties in different states around the US, and each of those local markets has their own manager, and you might have this situation as well. Or perhaps that's what you would soon like to do to have this situation of having properties in multiple markets.   Keith Weinhold (00:05:53) - Well, about 12 months ago now, I got a message from a property manager that manages a bunch of single family homes for me in this one particular area, and he let me know that I was not going to be seeing a rent payment for one of my tenants. And that's because the tenant paid the rent, but they paid it with a paper money order that was left in the manager's overnight drop box and the mail from that box. Was broken into by a thief and stolen. And then apparently the thief converted the money order at the bank by in this house. Unbelievable. By waiting out the name of the money order recipient, which I guess would have been the manager. And then the thief wrote in his own name on the Wite-out. Now there were three tenants that had their payments stolen from my property manager like this. So mine was one of the three from my tenant. And the thief also broke into two other real estate offices around the same time. So the thief broke into three offices total, apparently.   Keith Weinhold (00:07:01) - Now, the question that we're leading up to here is, I tell you more about this. Who is liable for this missing payment? And really, there are five parties here where you could give an answer. Is it the thief, the manager, the tenant, the bank or me? The investor who is liable for that stolen payment? Who should make good on it? Who will make good on it? Now, the amount that we're talking about is a stolen rent of $1,550. Okay. This is a rental single family home that I have. So I've been out this $1,550 for about a year now. And by the way, the tenant that had the rent payment stolen a full year ago, they still live there in their rent is now 1750, but it was 1550 them. Now I'm only making a thing of this a full year later and starting to ask my manager to make me whole now. And that's just because I've got a lot going on in life and $1,550. That's just not enough to make that big of a deal over.   Keith Weinhold (00:08:03) - But when life took a pause and I got to thinking about this some more, the principle of it is really bothersome. Wouldn't it bother you? I mean, if I let others like my manager get away with something like this, then I could get walked all over in other ways. Now, when I requested that the manager paid me because it was their drop box that it was stolen from, really, the only answer that they want to give me is that they can't pay because they don't have insurance to cover that type of loss. Well, I don't either. Now, should the bank be the liable party here for processing a payment where the pay to name was whited out, and then the criminal wrote over it with his name? And by the way, the criminal used his real name. And that's also part of how he got caught, which is unbelievable. And they also, though they do know who the criminal is because they have video surveillance of him at the bank depositing the money orders. I mean, how should he have been able to catch them? But the process of trying to get the criminal to remedy this or the bank to remedy this, those approaches have not worked.   Keith Weinhold (00:09:14) - And I think that the manager wants me to take the loss and pay because he doesn't want to take the loss. And you know, something? Admittedly, between the tenant, the manager and I, I'm probably the one that could most afford the loss, but that does not make it right now. At last, check the property manager who keeps refusing to pay up. They propose something ridiculous that I want to share with you in a moment. You're not going to believe it. Well, as you know, you have a written management agreement when you enter in an agreement to have your manager manage your property for you and that management agreement that's between you, the investor and your manager, just those two parties. And as we know, one job that your manager does for you is that they collect the rent for you. So I figured what I would go do is look at my management agreement, and I'm going to go cite that line where it says that the manager collects the money for the property owner.   Keith Weinhold (00:10:16) - But would you believe it? Nowhere in our agreement does it state that the manager collects the payment for the owner. So here's one lesson. The next time you're signing a new management agreement, see that that line is in there. I think it's just kind of easy to assume that it is. But, you know, those agreements, they're typically written by the property management company. So they might write it in ways that protect them. But here's the thing. The manager still doesn't want to pay $1,550 and was stolen from the drop box. They had proposed something that seems wild to me when I said I'm not going to let go. They told me that their plan is to ask the tenant to pay by adding an extra 150 or $200 to their monthly rent payment until the deficit is paid up. So that would be what, something like eight months of payments. Now, I doubt that the tenant would agree to something like that. If the manager is accepting rent in a drop box, it seems like it's the manager's responsibility to make sure that it's secured.   Keith Weinhold (00:11:20) - So to me, of the five parties involved here, it should be either the criminal, the bank for processing the payment that way, or the manager that should be held liable. One of those three parties, not the property owner and not the tenant. So you've got to believe that I consider firing this property manager and using someone else. And by the way, whenever you have to do that, if you ever do have to do that, and I've had to do it before, you can ask the provider that sold you the property for new property management recommendations, or you can find some new property managers by checking online forums with other clients that have actually used property managers. If you replace your manager. What that does is that your manager, they're going to lose more than just that 8 to 10% monthly management fee. They'd also lose future leasing fees. They lose any arrangements that they have with service providers to service your property, like plumbers and electricians. When it comes time for you to sell your properties that your manager manages for you, that manager might also lose the ability to collect referral fees at that, manager has the real estate license so you can make firing your manager hurt them more than you might think.   Keith Weinhold (00:12:40) - Now, I don't like hurting anyone in business. That's why I'm trying to find a constructive way to resolve this. But the manager has had a long time to make this right with me. They're probably just hoping I would forget about the whole thing. The property manager does not want to take the loss, and I will not either. I'll keep you updated on how this weird situation concludes here, but yeah. Hey, I'm an investor just like you. I want to dig in and get involved sometimes and see if something like a stolen rent payment happened with a stock that you own. I mean, you might take the loss there and you wouldn't even know that it happened. So I like real estate investing trends agency with a manager. I don't have the day to day involvement responsibility, but yet I can see a lot of what's going on with the monthly statements that they send me. Or if I have a concern, I know who I can directly contact to remedy something. And if you're a new real estate investor, please be mindful that this situation with my manager and the stolen rent payment is not typical at all.   Keith Weinhold (00:13:45) - In 20 years of doing this, I have never had a situation like this. In a few minutes here, we're going to discuss how feasible it is that America could eliminate the property tax altogether. And our guests. He's also going to tell us why he's been seeing more people like you paying tax on the gain from the sale of your primary residence. Hey, would you like to see me at breaking down real estate investing concepts on a whiteboard? Yes, a magic marker in hand with a whiteboard and an easel. Well, you can watch me do that from the comfort of your home. Over on our YouTube channel, we recently launched our explained series, and I begin it by breaking down basics and just showing you an actual net worth and actual cash flow statement, and then figuring out how you can take those and learn exactly when you can quit your job and retire. It's easier to do the numbers over there than it is here on an audio format, and later I'll whiteboard some more advanced concepts for you soon, like explaining an inverted yield curve.   Keith Weinhold (00:15:00) - Watch me on the whiteboard in our explained series. It is free on YouTube right now and our channel is pretty easy to find because it's called get Rich education. Eliminating the property tax. Next I'm Keith White hold. You're listening to get rich education. 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I have the original tax free wealth on my bookshelf.   Keith Weinhold (00:17:40) - Welcome back to Dr. Tom Wheelwright. Thanks, Keith. Always good to be on your show. Tom, we have a lot of real estate investors listening. Why don't we talk about property tax? It applies to one whether they own income, property or whether they own a primary residence. Tom, I thought about the discussion that we were going to have today. I was thinking about it yesterday. And you know what happened? I looked out my window and the garbage had just been picked up from the curb, and this was shortly after my driveway was plowed of snow. Okay, now, if an alien came down from another planet and we described that there's a property tax in the United States, so we'll probably believe, oh, all right. Well, they're going to like, pick up your trash and like, plow your driveway for you and everything for that property tax you pay. It's like, oh no. Well those are separate services that I pay. So really what I'm getting at is maybe more philosophically in big picture, should there be a property tax? That's a big question.   Keith Weinhold (00:18:37) - Yeah. But let's do talk about what property tax funds. So property tax funds schools. It's the primary funding mechanism of schools. If you talk to an old timer they still call it school tax sometimes. Yeah it funds schools. It funds fire departments. It funds the police. So those are the three big services that have funds. This is why, by the way, Keith, when there was that group in Seattle that took over that section of the city and the government refused to send to kick those people out. I don't know if you remember this a couple of years ago. And I'm going, wait a minute, why are we paying property taxes? Because the police force and the fire department were being paid by property taxes on the buildings that had been taken over by this renegade group. Wow. And so I have a commercial property. I pay a huge property tax on that commercial property doesn't house children, so I don't send children to school, but I still pay tax for education. Why? Because I need educated employees, so I'm happy to do that.   Keith Weinhold (00:19:37) - I pay for fire protection. I pay it for police protection. I think what the money is used for generally is fine. I don't have an issue with that. The challenge I have with the property tax is twofold. One is it is a true wealth tax. If your property goes up in value, you pay more tax and it's a tax on inflation, because if you're a property goes up in value because of inflation, you pay more tax. And then second of all, you're out to sell your property. But it's also a regressive tax. So people who have no more income, they're on fixed income, they're Social Security. They have a pension plan whatever that their property goes up because of inflation, not because it's a better property and they're paying more tax even though their incomes not going up. That's my biggest challenge with property tax. That's really a good point. I had never thought about it that way before. The property tax can be a regressive tax. Therefore you pay a higher rate with a lower income, which is what a regressive tax means.   Keith Weinhold (00:20:40) - I know that some jurisdictions try to help senior citizens out with that. Maybe you both say like the first 100 K of assessed property value is exempt. But yeah, on basis you're right about that. With it being a regressive tax. Tom, I kind of look around the landscape. We deal with a lot of markets and properties and providers nationwide here at gray, and I seem to see a national effect of property tax rate of about 1%, something like that's pretty common 1% of value on a 500 K property. You're going to pay about $5,000 in property tax. Of course, that varies substantially. New Jersey is a really high one. So the states in the Deep South are really low ones. But what are your thoughts about that 1% average national effect? Think about that tax rate. Let's say you bought that property for $50,000. You bought the property for $50,000 based on your income. You bought it for $50,000. Now, because of inflation, it's $500,000. Now it's really a 10% of what you bought it for.   Keith Weinhold (00:21:34) - So it's not really 1% anymore. It's 1% of the price value. It's not 1% of what you paid for it. This is where California with prop 13 they apt their property tax. Right. If you didn't move into a new property. I loved that proposition. Frankly, I love prop 13 because what I said was, look, if you're staying the same home, your property tax isn't going to go up. Because you get no more value out of it than you did when you bought it. So why are you getting more tax even though you're not getting more value? That makes no sense. I'm not a big fan. You know, like Texas has a they rely heavily on property. Remember we have three types of taxes. We have an income tax. We have a transaction tax which the biggest one is sales tax. But it's also excise taxes. And then we have property tax. And property tax and estate tax are the only two wealth taxes we have. And property tax is a true wealth tax.   Keith Weinhold (00:22:29) - Why is it allowed. Why can we have a property tax in our hometown. But we can't have a federal property tax because Constitution doesn't allow a federal property tax. But our state constitution probably does allow a state property tax. And so robbery taxes are really interesting. I talk about in tax free wealth. Tax wealth has a chapter on property sales and property tax. It's my least favorite tax because again A it's regressive and B it's a tax on something I've never realized. The only benefit I have is that I live in it. But that benefit's not gone up even though the property tax goes up. You brought up so many interesting things there. Sure, that proposition in California is what kept people staying in their homes for a very long time. But we think about property tax and should there even be one? As we ponder that big question, what do other nations do? Because a lot of times I know you look at foreign nations tax policies. Most localities. A lot of them have a local property tax.   Keith Weinhold (00:23:27) - I don't think it's uncommon. What's interesting to me is that Missouri is looking at getting rid of their property tax and putting in a transaction tax instead. So in other words, you don't pay a tax for owning the property. You only pay a tax when you sell it. Well, that actually makes more sense. You know, in previous episode we talked about more versus United States. We talked about that whole idea of a wealth tax and realized gain. And some states do this already. California does this, Hawaii does this, Pennsylvania does this where you have a tax when you sell the property, an excise tax when you sell the property, or a transfer tax, if you will? That makes some sense because you did get the money. You actually have the ability to pay the tax. It's not coming out of your earnings. It came out of the sale of the property. So it's a tax on the sale. Frankly, if I had to choose, I would probably choose the transaction tax.   Keith Weinhold (00:24:23) - I mean, I would choose to have very little tax. I think we need fire. We need police. Those two things we absolutely need we need roads. We should have taxes to pay for those school. I'm a fan of school choice. And should we have property tax pay for those? Or is that something that we ought to pay for some other way? I don't know, there is argument that, again, that should be maybe you ought to pay that out of sales tax or a transaction tax. Yeah. I think I'm feeling your vibe on that one time that a transfer tax of real estate is somewhat more palatable than this ongoing property tax that you have to pay, because the transfer tax probably is realizing a gain there. Along with that, even though we probably don't like that piled on top of ongoing property tax, for sure. We think about property taxes, something that applies to every homeowner, whether they own income, property or not, is the pretty well known primary residence capital gains tax exemption for quite a while.   Keith Weinhold (00:25:16) - That's been 250 K if you're single and 500 K if you're married. Can you tell us more about that and where the direction of that's going? And is that adjusting with inflation or what are your thoughts. Yeah, it's not adjusting for inflation unfortunately. It's interesting. Some things adjust for inflation. Some things don't. Tax brackets adjust the exclusion for your primary residence doesn't. And your deduction for miles driven for charity doesn't adjust for inflation. But your deduction for miles driven for work does adjust for inflation. So it's very interesting to see what does Congress say. We're going to adjust for for inflation. What they don't. That came into effect under Bill Clinton prior to his presidency. You had to actually put your new house, had to be worth more than your old house is very much like a 1031 exchange where as long as you bought a new house that was equal to or greater in price than the sales price of your old house, you paid no tax but the minute you went down. So when, for example, you're retiring and you decide, well, I don't need all this house, my kids are gone, I'm going to go move into a condo on the golf course, or I just don't need that much space.   Keith Weinhold (00:26:25) - Then you had to pay tax. What happened in the Clinton era was we actually got this exclusion, which is as long as you live in the house for two years, two out of the last five years, you get 100% exclusion on the gain, up to 250, like you said, 250 single, 500 joint. I would love to see them index that. I think it needs to be indexed. Frankly, they need to adjust it retroactively because too many people got caught in this last run up where for the first time ever, I saw a lot of people paying tax on the gain from the sale of their house. Yeah, that's something that you hope that you don't have to do. We'll see if and when they do adjust that for inflation. I'm not always talked about property tax bill. Why don't we open it up somewhat more and talk more about what we discussed the last time you were here on the show with us? Well, I think we already learned then whether Americans, just over time, over the long term, are more likely taxed or more heavily taxed.   Keith Weinhold (00:27:24) - It seems like they're always piling on more and more taxes. What are your thoughts with where we're going on lighter taxation or heavier taxation? I said, well, we rarely get taxed less. We're actually taxed less than just about any other country. Just to be clear, we pay a lower share of our income in taxes than just about any other country. But of course, we have much, many fewer benefits. We don't have national health care. We have Social Security, but it's a small amount, right. In France, remember, they had these big protests, right? Because the French president raised the retirement age from 62 to 64. Why were so many people protesting that? Well, it's because in France the salaries aren't enough to keep up. And so they're relying on that. They can't save up and say, I'm going to retire earlier because I've saved up money. There's not enough income for them to save. So they're relying on the government to save for them. That was a hard thing for them.   Keith Weinhold (00:28:18) - We have a hard time understanding that in the US because our tax rates are so much lower. France, for example, I was. Reading. That's the other day. 50% of GDP goes to taxes in France. In the US it's about 26% of GDP. So we're almost half of what percentage of our GDP goes to taxes. So they're the highest. What's happening is you're seeing Germany. There's this going up Korea. Theirs has gone up, Japan theirs has gone up. And the US, they expect ours to be up. It's 28% of GDP within a few years. So it's all relative, right. The problem is, is that the taxes are more and more as a proportion of our gross domestic product. If you think the government should stay out of our lives, then you're on the wrong end of that stick, because that means that the government's getting more and more involved, and more and more money is being spent by the government instead of the private sector. Well, Tom, you've been here on the show with us a lot of times.   Keith Weinhold (00:29:16) - We've talked about how your rental income gets taxed. We've talked about capital gains tax and property tax and sales tax and income tax, one tax type we haven't talked about. When we think about whether things just get worse as the government piles on more taxes, is there any threat in your mind of a tax for those that don't know what that is? That's basically a head tax. That's a tax that's imposed on you just for existing. Is that a possibility? Zionist capitation tax and not a decapitation tax. It might feel like one. Yeah. It's, uh, commonly called the poll tax write poll. As in poll. You go to the polls that the number of people that is actually allowed, the government could impose that that is allowed under a constitution, a poll tax. Great Britain has a poll tax. So it's not unheard of. I haven't heard a lot of people talk about. The problem is, is that a poll tax is a tax on voters. And we know politicians don't want to put a tax on voters.   Keith Weinhold (00:30:16) - Right. So where's the incentive to vote? They're more likely to put a tax on corporations who don't vote. I'll tell you the favourite tax. The favourite tax is to put a tax on out-of-towners. Somebody who's coming into your place like a travel tax. One of the key policy points of any tax unit is you want to export your tax to people who don't vote for you. So you're always trying to put the tax on somebody who doesn't can't vote for you. Because if you put on people who do vote for you, you will soon lose your job. Interesting point. That's why you see taxes on Ubers and taxis and hotels, resort taxes. You see those kind of tax skills are basically export tax, right? They're taxing people who don't live and vote in your state or in your location. A poll tax would be a tax on people who do live in your state or location. I have a hard time seeing that one coming down the line. More likely is you really wanted us to be more competitive with the rest of the world.   Keith Weinhold (00:31:17) - We'd have a value added tax in the United States, we do not have one. And if you wanted to make us more competitive with the rest of the world, if you really want to raise funds or you want to pay off the deficit, or you want to get rid of an income tax, the best way to do it would be a value added tax. Well, maybe you, the listener, just have a shred of a little something to be thankful for. There are tax types you've heard of that we don't actually have yet. There actually are some remaining. It seems like they'll all get used up. Europe has a. Europe uniformly has a 20% value added tax that just goes to increases the price of your meals at a restaurant, increases the price of every product you buy. That's a value added tax. That's a national sales tax that is common in the rest of the world. We're the only major developed country that doesn't have one. Well, at least in Europe, they're not asking that.   Keith Weinhold (00:32:06) - When you get your restaurant meal bill that you add a tip onto the tax about, like what's happening a lot of times here. And I think a lot of people aren't even aware of that. That's another absurdity. Yeah. Another absurdity of being a consumer in the United States today. Tom, you're really an expert in helping people understand that there are so many parts of the tax code out there for reducing one's taxes. The tax code, mostly most of the pages are about tax reduction. There are just a few pages about the tax tables. And then basically the rest of the tax code says you have to pay the tax in those tables if you don't do these other things. So tell us more about how one and everyday people can learn and get informed by being matched up with the right professional, so they can learn about all those exceptions to paying those taxes in the tables. I appreciate your promotion of tax free wealth because that's the starting point. You really do need to understand the concepts, and the concepts are all in tax free wealth.   Keith Weinhold (00:33:00) - Okay, so really inexpensive way for you to get an education. Once you've got the education though, you do need a team around you. And what I think the most important person, well outside of your bookkeeper, who I actually think is the most important person of that team, I think your number two person is your CPA. And I'm going to be very specific. There are a lot of people who hold themselves out as tax advisors, and I would not touch them with a ten foot pole. Whether it's I don't want a financial planner giving me tax advice, nor do I want a CPA, give me financial advice. Let's have a specialist do the specialist work. I don't want an enrolled agent. And the reason I don't want enrolled agent. If I'm really simple, that's great. But remember enrolled agent, they have very little education. They took a test. An IRS test that takes a couple of hours. That's all they did. If you're a business owner, you're a serious investor. You need a CPA and you need a CPA who cares more about you than they do about protecting themselves from the IRS.   Keith Weinhold (00:33:59) - This is one of my big complaints about some of my fellow CPAs is they seem to be so concerned about an audit. And my question is, if you're so concerned about an audit, does that mean you're afraid of the IRS? And if your CPA is afraid of the IRS, it's probably time to get a new CPA. That's right. Well, please, I tell you, we have a resource on our website where you can connect with Tom's team and get messed up with the right advisor. That is it. Get rich education complex. But like Tom said, a good thing to do is read his book, Tax Free Wealth first. That way you'll be able to ask the right questions so you can get the right answers from the right professional that you can be messed up with. Tom, do you have any last thoughts? Here is we're still relatively new in a year here when it comes to taxation, and one taking their plans forward through the year. Let's remember that we have an election coming up this year.   Keith Weinhold (00:34:54) - And one of the biggest issues in this election is going to be taxation. There's certain politicians that would like to take the 2017 tax reductions and extend them. There are others that would like to eliminate them and actually raise taxes. A couple of years ago, we had a proposal called Build Back Better. Great. Started as a $6 trillion proposal and ended up being $2 trillion and change the name to, quote unquote, the Inflation Reduction Act, or as I like to call it, the Inflation Enhancement Act. But that's going to be back. So you may love one party. You may hate the other party. Just know that when you go to vote, think about you are voting for a tax increase or a tax decrease depending on who you vote for. Look at their policies. Look at what they propose. Look at what they've been talking about. Don't believe for a second that they're gonna all of a sudden say, well, we're not going to raise taxes, when in fact they're looking at you and they're going, is that my money in your pocket? It is a presidential election year.   Keith Weinhold (00:35:59) - The good news is you now have a way for your voice to be heard this year in taxes are part of that, Tom. We're right. It's a great having you back on the show. Thanks, Keith. Sometimes I hear people that pay property tax but yet don't have any children themselves. They say that, well, since property tax often funds schools that they're opposed to paying it. Well, let's look at it this way. I'm a person that doesn't have any kids yet. And even if I never do have kids, well, when I was a kid myself, I attended public school. So therefore I was the beneficiary of adults paying property tax to fund the school that I went to. So therefore, when you think of it in those terms, it's more palatable for a, I suppose, non father like me to pay it forward, pass it along and pay school tax for others. So though there may be other objections to paying property taxes, not having children, that's often not such a valid reason when you think about it that way.   Keith Weinhold (00:37:07) - Now, I think that the Liberty First Society's Christian Hall, she has an interesting take on property tax. Here's what she said. And I quote, property tax should end when you complete the sale or purchase, just like you do when you buy groceries or a bicycle. It's theft of ownership to keep paying property taxes, especially when government has the authority to take your property. When you don't pay your taxes for three years. That's not property tax, that's rent, and you're a tenant in your own home. Property tax makes government the owner of your property, not you. End quote. And again, that is from the Liberty First Society's Chris Ian Hall, thought provoking, if nothing else. Now, when it comes to finding the right professional to get real estate investors, all of our generous and legitimate deductions that we enjoy, I mean, it is one of the five ways real estate pays. After all, you do need to find the right pro so that they can find all the deductions for you.   Keith Weinhold (00:38:13) - And this is just the time of year to get that right. For more than ten years now, I have had the world's number one tax firm do my wealth strategy, my tax strategy and my tax preparation. I even use my bookkeeper through them. They understand what real estate investors need. They make sure that I don't miss out on optimizing benefits and deductions for mortgage interest and tax depreciation and property tax and cost segregation, which accelerates my deductions. And they make sure I get infinite capital gains tax deferrals and bonus depreciation and so much more. All the good things that real estate investors get when you work with an investor centric tax professional. In this way, you can also legally write off many of your expenses for property management and maintenance and utilities and even your travel. So you can do that by connecting with Tom's team by visiting get rich education.com/tax. That is this week's actionable resource. Until next week I'm your host Keith White. Hold don't quit your day dream.   Speaker 6 (00:39:25) - Nothing on this show should be considered specific, personal or professional advice.   Speaker 6 (00:39:29) - Please consult an appropriate tax, legal, real estate, financial or business professional for individualized advice. Opinions of guests are their own. Information is not guaranteed. All investment strategies have the potential for profit or loss. The host is operating on behalf of get Rich education LLC exclusively.   Speaker 7 (00:39:53) - The preceding program was brought to you by your home for wealth building. Get rich education.com.  

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464: Avid GRE Listener Buys 11 Rental Properties in 4 Years. Here's What Happened.

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Play Episode Listen Later Aug 28, 2023 39:28


Today's guest, Shawn Finnegan, failed in California real estate investing pre-2008. But in 2019 he listened to GRE, came back, and succeeded. He now benefits from $2,000 in monthly residual cash flow from 11 Memphis income properties. He wants a fourplex next. Shawn and his family moved from Los Angeles, CA to Costa Rica where he now lives financially-free. He's a former abdominal model, appearing on magazine covers. He invented “The Anchor Gym” home gym system. By listening to GRE, he had the confidence to invest with our “Financially-Free Beats Debt-Free” mantra. “Don't Quit Your Daydream” resonates with him most.  Resources mentioned: Show Notes: www.GetRichEducation.com/464 The Anchor Gym: www.TheAnchorGym.com Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Invest with Freedom Family Investments. You get paid first: Text ‘FAMILY' to 66866 Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review”  Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com GRE Free Investment Coaching: GREmarketplace.com/Coach Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free— text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold

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463: America's Frightening Homeless Problem, Crazy Investing Manias—Tulip Bulbs, Beanie Babies

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Play Episode Listen Later Aug 21, 2023 53:24


More homeless people have been created due to the housing supply crisis. Homelessness is up 11% since last year, per the WSJ. The opioid crisis, consumer inflation, and NIMBYism have contributed too. California has the most homelessness on both a total and per capita basis. States with higher housing costs have more homeless people. I share our poll results: “Should we pay to house the homeless?” Are you a NIMBY? We find out today. We can increase housing supply with rezoning, construction training, and lower mortgage rates. The cycle of investor emotions led to wild investing manias. It was tulip bulbs in the 1600s Netherlands and Beanie Babies in the 1990s United States.  I discuss exactly why “buy low, sell high” is more difficult than it sounds. Timestamps: The correlation between homelessness and the housing market [00:00:00] Discusses the relationship between the housing market and the increasing problem of homelessness in America. Investing manias and lessons from history [00:00:00] Explores the phenomenon of investing manias and the lessons that can be learned from historical examples. The tight inventory market conditions and potential solutions [00:04:56] Lawrence Yun, Chief Economist of the National Association of Realtors, discusses the tight housing market conditions and suggests tax incentives to increase housing supply. Timestamp 1 [00:10:32] Affordability of moving to different cities and the proposal of a tax incentive for real estate investors. Timestamp 2 [00:11:49] Discussion on the housing supply crisis, mortgage rates, and the homeless population in the US. Timestamp 3 [00:14:14] Increase in homelessness in America, reasons behind it, and the correlation between housing prices and homelessness rates. The impact of high density housing on quality of life and home value [00:21:12] Discussion on the potential negative effects of building high density housing near single family homes, including reduced home value, increased traffic and noise, and loss of nearby open space. Alternative solutions to increase housing supply and reduce homelessness [00:23:30] Exploration of alternative measures to address homelessness, such as trade training for the homeless and relaxing excessive safety requirements in home building. Giving real change to the homeless [00:25:50] Encouragement to give directly to homeless shelters or soup kitchens instead of giving small change to individuals on the street, with the concept of "give real change not small change" explained. Note: The timestamps provided are approximate and may vary slightly depending on the podcast episode. The Origins of Tulip Mania [00:31:37] Tulips were introduced to Europe in the 1500s and became a luxury item for the affluent. The cultivation of tulips locally in the Netherlands led to a flourishing business sector. The Tulip Bubble [00:32:55] By 1634, tulip mania had swept through the Netherlands, with the demand for tulip bulbs exceeding supply. Prices reached exorbitant levels, and futures contracts were being bought and sold. Lessons from Tulip Mania [00:37:53] Tulip mania serves as a model for financial bubbles, with similar cycles observed in other speculative assets like beanie babies, baseball cards, NFTs, and stocks. It highlights the dangers of excess, greed, and speculation without tangible value. The cycle of investor emotions [00:44:32] Explanation of the different stages of investor emotions, from optimism to panic, in relation to stock market investing. The peak of the stock market [00:46:43] Discussion on the peak of the stock market being the point of maximum financial risk and the difficulty of selling at the right time. Real estate as a stable investment [00:51:56] Comparison of real estate investment to speculative bubbles, highlighting the stability and income stream provided by real estate. Explains how the integration of HOA (Homeowners Association) helps maintain uniformity and cleanliness in the rental property investing world. Details about the upcoming real estate event [00:38:31] Promotion of a live event where listeners can learn about new construction fourplexes and have their questions answered in real time. Resources mentioned: Show Notes: www.GetRichEducation.com/463 Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Invest with Freedom Family Investments. You get paid first: Text ‘FAMILY' to 66866 Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review”  Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com GRE Free Investment Coaching: GREmarketplace.com/Coach Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free— text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Complete episode transcript:   Welcome to Get Rich Education. I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. America's homeless problem has become FRIGHTENING. I describe how that correlates… with the housing market.  Then, investing MANIAS. What drives people to spend more for one tulip flower bulb than they would for an entire luxury home?    And lessons you can learn that'll benefit you the rest of your life from other manias throughout history. All today, on Get Rich Education.   ___________   Welcome to GRE! From Seaford, DE to Carmel-by-the-Sea, CA and across 188 nations worldwide, you're listening to one of America's longest-running and most listened to shows on real estate investing. Along with plenty of ongoing hot takes on wealth mindset and the real estate economy.    I'm your host, Keith Weinhold.    See, the crash in the SUPPLY of available American homes is bad and it isn't just creating more upward prices, it's a contributor to homelessness.    Let's talk about some of the drivers of homelessness, understand the problem a little more, how many homeless people ARE there in America, and then… what can we do about it?   As you'll soon see, one prominent real estate industry influencer actually suggests that you actually SELL your rental single family homes in order to help serve the homeless. More on that shortly.    Also, I have the results from a GRE Instagram Poll. The poll question is: “Should we pay to HOUSE the homeless?”    And the answers that you - the GRE listeners gave… actually surprised me. I'll give you those super-interesting poll results later, because I have more to explain there.   But first, what IS a homeless person? Let's define it. I think most anyone knows that since it's a person without a home, it's thought of as living on the street.   Really, then, that person might not be homeless but “houseless” in a literal sense. Even if they live in a tent under a bridge, that is then, their home. Though it might be INADEQUATE housing.   More accurately, the unsheltered or undersheltered population could be more apropos.     Then there's vagrancy. A vagrant is defined as a person without a settled home OR regular work… who wanders from place to place and lives by begging.   So vagrants are PART of the homeless population then. This all helps DEFINE what we're discussing.   Now, the lack of available American housing supply - especially the affordable segment - is OBVIOUSLY a big contributor to homelessness.   For example, anymore, how many builders even construct a new-build entry-level home for $200 or 250K? Practically nobody… anywhere.   And just how bad is the supply problem now? Well, the NAR has been tracking housing supply since 1982 and it just hit its lowest level ever this summer - EVER - and that's in 40+ years of tracking.    That's one reason why just last week, it was announced that Warren Buffett is making a big bet on housing by investing in homebuilders.   Now to keep consistent with the same stats I've been reporting to you for you, to update that, again 1-and-a-half million available homes is the baseline supply. That's the long-term “normal” per the FRED Active listing count.   And through last month, it's still under 650,000. That is STILL a housing SUPPLY crash of 57% from its peak of 1 ½ million.   I want you & I to listen to this upcoming piece together. This recent interview with NAR Chief Economist Lawrence Yun is from the 8th of this month.   Yes, HE is the one that basically wants you to sell your SF rental properties. And he makes his case for an inducement to get you to do this. (Ha!)   He's not proposing anything COMPLETELY ludicrous. It's REALLY interesting. Listen closely for that.   This about 5 minutes in length and there's a lot of material here within this clip - a nutrient dense piece, so I've got SO much to say about this when I come back to comment.    [Yun clip]    Yeah, the NAR Chief Economist there talking about how, much like I have for years, great opportunity is in the Midwest and Southeastern parts of the US.    With this greater ability for people to work from anywhere, when people move in from the pricy coasts, it's sooo affordable to them.   Moving from Manhattan to Cincinnati feels incredibly affordable.  Moving from San Francisco to St. Louis feels like you've upgraded from serfdom to a kingdom. Moving from Boston to Jacksonville feels like a total life makeover.   That's why, here at GRE, we're focused on properties in those INbound destinations.    Before I continue, especially for those outside the US, I know that it seems a little odd that Ohio and Indiana are in what we call the Midwest when they're actually in the northeastern quadrant of the nation.   But the fact that they ARE midwestern states is rooted in history and in cultural tradition.   So, getting back some new angles on the housing supply crisis.   Lawrence Yun proposed that a tax incentive be introduced to unleash the inventory of SF rentals from individual REIs.    And says that there are over 20 million single-family housing units that are rented out.    If we reduced or canceled the capital gains tax & just got 1% of that inventory on the market, he states that that would help.   Well, yeah, but even that then would only put about 200,000 units of the market - and they'd get snatched up so fast.   Now, if mortgage rates come down to say, 5%, it would unleash both housing demand AND supply.    Both - like Lawrence Yun says. So it's not apparent that that would help this shortage, if both demand and supply go up.   In a nation of about one-third of a BILLION people now - that's how I like to express it this year - America now has one-third of a billion people… also known as 333 million - how many do you think are classified as homeless?   As you think about that - as you think about how many of America's 333 million Americans are homeless, this homeless population figure that I'm about to share with you is from HUD and it's through last year, so it's their latest year-end figure.    And I'll tell ya, it's hard to believe this number. The Department of Housing and Urban Development states that about 582,000 Americans are experiencing homelessness.   Now, how HUD does this is that their number is a snapshot of the homeless population as of a single night at the end of January each year.    The total number of people who experience homelessness for SOME PERIOD each year will be higher than that.   I just did the math and then that means that just 1 in every 572 Americans are homeless. C'mon. Do you believe that? Only one in every 572 Americans are homeless?   I might believe that it's something like more than 1 in 200. What are your thoughts?   Even HUD would probably concede that there are shortcomings in that stat and that it's only a starting point.   And over the last decade, according to HUD, the homeless population is little changed… apparently until just this past year.   Homelessness is surging in America. The number of people experiencing homelessness in the US has increased 11% so far this year over 2022. That would be the biggest jump by far in equivalent government records beginning in 2007.   Now this 11% homeless jump is according to a WSJ analysis of hundreds of smaller & local agencies.    Most  agencies say the alarming rise is because of the lack of affordable housing and rental units, and the ongoing opioid crisis.   Inflation is part of that affordable housing problem. Inflation widens the disparity between the haves and have-nots.   To cut some slack to census-type of surveying, homelessness can be hard to measure. Some live on skid row, some live in the woods, some homeless people live in their cars.    Some aren't interested in being counted. Others are essentially invisible. I mean, if someone's between jobs and needs to couch surf at their aunt and uncle's place for three months, are they homeless or not? So, to be sure, there's a lot of leeway in those numbers.   One in 572 as homeless - that should just be a minimum - a starting point in my opinion.   Now, homelessness broken down by STATE is really interesting.   California at 171,000, has the most of any state, more than double of next-most New York, and then Florida is third.   But let's break that down by rate - on a per capita basis. So… think of this as the highest CONCENTRATION of homeless:   Washington DC has 65 homeless per 10,000 people. That's not really a state though, so…   #1 on a per capita basis is STILL California, with 44 per 10,000. So California leads in the nation in homeless on both bases then - both absolute and relative.   The second highest rate is Vermont.  Third Oregon Fourth Hawaii Fifth is New York And then numbers 6 through 10 on the most homeless per capita are Washington, Maine, Alaska, Nevada, and Delaware.   Now, strictly anecdotally. You've probably seen just what I've seen in the last year-plus - more visible homeless people in your city and other cities.   The state with the FEWEST homeless of all 50 states is Mississippi - and see, housing is quite affordable there. MS is one of the most affordable states for housing.    There is at least SOME correlation between your cost of housing and homelessness.   Recently on our Instagram page, and the handle there is easy to remember - it's @getricheducation - if you want to participate in future polls, we ran a poll on homelessness.   Here is the poll question that we ran - and I'd like you to think about your answer to this too.   “Should we pay to house the homeless?”    That's the question.    And in polling, the way that the question is phrased, of course, can skew your answer.    See, if instead, we phrased it as, “Should the government house the homeless?” you might have more ‘yes' answers - even though it's the same question - because you FUND the government.    But the question as we phrased it: “Should we pay to house the homeless?” - it also showed a photo of vagrants on a street curb under the question.   Here we the results, which surprised me, to:  Should we pay to house the homeless?   Those answering “Yes” were just 6% The no's were 45% But we also had a third option: “It's complicated”. 48% answered with that option.   So again, just 6% of you said we should pay to house the homeless and 45% said “no”. “48% said it's complicated”.   In a way, that makes sense to me since we have a largely entrepreneurial, self-made type of audience. I thought that might have happened.   But what surprised me is in how emphatic it was. It was a landslide. 7 to 8 TIMES as many of you said we should not pay for the homeless as those that said we should.   Well, the reason that I added - and I'm the one that ran the poll myself - they're quick to do. I added the paying to house the homeless “It's complicated” option because it IS complicated… that WAS the most popular answer.   I mean, why should you go to work and pay to house a stranger that has no income because he or she doesn't want to work?   But what if they're disabled and they can kinda work but not really work… or a zillion other complications.    Substance abuse is obviously a big problem that keeps homeless people homeless… and there's a substantial thought paradigm that says, if they're an abuser, then why would I pay for THEIR housing?   Substance abuse is just one reason that there is a population that's VOLUNTARILY homeless. They don't want to have to comply with a group home's ban on substances.    I wanted to address the homeless problem somewhat today, because here we are on Episode 463 of a real estate show and this is the most that we've even discussed it.   I think the perspective it gives you is that it helps you be grateful for what you've got.    But it's abundance mentality here. You can be grateful for what you have and at the same time, grow your means.   What else would help with more housing supply which would also move us toward mitigating the homeless problem?   Well, we've already discussed a number of them so I'll only go in depth with some fresh angles here.   Obviously, more homebuilding. We've done episodes on how 3D printed homes and shipping container homes are not quick, easy answers. Tiny homes might be but then you could get into a zoning density problem again.   Just last week, my assistant brought me this Marketwatch article that reported that the average American home size is shrinking just a little & that often times, new-build houses tend to be a little closer together.   That's what gets us into relaxing zoning requirements. But you know something, OK, this is going to be interesting.    This plays into NIMBYism. Not In My Backyard: communities saying that they don't want high-density housing built next to them.    Now, I think that there are a lot of critics of NIMBYism. But the criticism comes from people that live far out of that area and aren't affected.   Let me just play a fun little experiment with you here. Let me paint a picture of a fictitious life for you and just… place yourself there.   Say that you live in a nice single-family home, with a quarter acre lot. It's not a sprawling estate but you've got a good measure of privacy that way.   You're in a SFH, quarter-acre lot and two car garage. That is classic suburbia.   And… just a hundred yards away from your home there's a big, wide-open field where you walk your dog and use as a little makeshift golf driving range or whatever. Nice open space nearby.   Say you've got a fairly idyllic life here. It's always been this way since you bought the home years ago.   Suddenly, in your neighborhood of all SFHs, you learn that they want to build a bunch of fourplexes in the nearby lot where you used to throw tennis balls to your dog.   What can that do to your quality of life & your home's value, now that a bunch of new fourplexes and eightplexes were built nearby?   It reduces your home's value because there are less valuable, high density properties nearby.   It also increases the amount of traffic & even noise in your neighborhood. Now you can't use that nearby park anymore - it's been all-built up with these higher-density apartments.   So, let me go back and ask - point blank - did you really want all those new high-density developments near your home?   If that made you uncomfortable, that's NIMBYism. So it's quite natural to evoke that feeling type. You're just a human being.   How else can we increase housing supply to help reduce homelessness?   NOT with rent control. Over time, capping the amount of rent that a LL can charge gives property owners no incentive to improve their property and neighborhoods end up dilapidated.   We need more training for tradesman and laborers. How about training the homeless for that? But then someone's got to pay for that training.   Another measure that's become ridiculous is that we've gotta relax these excessive safety requirements in homebuilding. Now, some safety is good.   But when every single home - entry-level and all needs to have fire-rated shingles and fired-rated doors and GFCI outlets and smoke detectors in every room and carbon monoxide detectors all over the place, sheesh! Well, that raises the cost of housing for everyone.   In some earthquake-prone areas, you've got to have seismic restraining straps on your water heater or you can't even sell your home. Do you know how big of an earthquake it would take to damage your water heater like that?   And an excessive safety PROPONENT might say, yeah, but did you hear about that one family that died ten years ago that would have lived if they had carbon monoxide detectors?   Well, the counterargument to that is, yeah, but what about all the homeless people that were exposed to the elements and died in the cold because they couldn't AFFORD the more basic housing, the prices of which have escalated for all this excessive safety stuff.   Are you saying a middle class person's life is worth more than a poor, homeless person's life? That's the counterargument.    Again, some safety is good. But we've gone overboard in too many places - in housing & beyond.   Rising housing costs keep people homeless. A few weeks ago, I did that episode about escalating insurance costs.   I now own some properties that have extremely low mortgage rates and the insurance has gone up to the point where I pay more in monthly escrow expenses than I do principal & interest.    But, hey. I'm not homeless, and if you're listening to this, neither are you.   So when it comes to helping the homeless in the short-term, that campaign called, “Give real change, not small change.” - that really resonates with me.   Don't give 5 bucks to a vagrant on the corner. That just keeps them showing up at that corner, plus they're going to spend your 5 bucks on a cheap bottle of Monarch vodka.   Instead, if you're going to give, give to a homeless shelter or soup kitchen.    That's what's meant by “Give real change, not small change.” And that's something actionable.   Coming up next, investing MANIAS. How wild it gets - paying more for a tulip flower than a SFH, shooting and killing someone over a Beanie Baby toy… and then I'm going to wrap it all up with what all this has to do with the cycle of your investor emotions.   Around here, we don't run ads for the Swiffer. This week's sponsors that support the show are people that I've personally done real estate business with myself and have benefited from.    Ridge Lending Group specializes in INVESTMENT property loans in nearly all 50 states. Start your prequalification at: RidgeLendingGroup.com    Then, for super-passive real estate returns, check out Freedom Family Investments. Right now, what you can do, is just text “FAMILY” to 66866.   I'm Keith Weinhold. You're listening to Get Rich Education. ___________ Welcome back to the GRE Podcast. I'm your host and my name is Keith Weinhold.    If you've got a friend or family member that you think would benefit from the knowledge drops here on the show, you can simply tell them to grab the free Get Rich Education mobile app.   That's a convenient option for listening every week for both iOS and Android.   Today's topics of homelessness and investing manias could very well bring a new audience here, so…    A little more about my backstory. I'm from PA but got my real estate comeuppance in Anchorage, Alaska of all places & grew out nationally & internationally from there. I had humble beginnings and wasn't born anywhere near wealthy. I had to figure out how to build it myself.   But see, if I were born wealthy, I wouldn't have learned how to build it, and then I wouldn't be of much help to you. Likewise, if you're building it yourself, you'll be able to help others too.   BTW, I was born in the same PA town as Taylor Swift.    Though she & I don't have much ELSE in common, I guess that she & I are both best-known for using a microphone.   Though I think that I'm about as likely to start using this microphone to sing into your ears like Taylor Swift does… as Taylor is to launch a real estate investing show.   For hundreds of years, the tulip has been one of the most-loved flowers in the Netherlands. It's an enduring icon - as synonymous with the country as clogs, windmills, bicycles, and cheese. The tulip has a long and storied history - including the infamous shortage in the 1600s known as “tulip mania”. If you're someone that has even a fleeting interest in investing, you should at least know what this is.   Tulips first appeared in Europe in the 1500s, arriving from the spice trading routes… and that lent this sense of exoticism to these imported flowers that looked like no other flower native to the continent. It's no surprise, then, that tulips became a luxury item destined for the gardens of the affluent.  According to The Library of Economics and Liberty, “it was deemed a proof of bad taste in any man of fortune to be without a collection of [tulips].” Hmmm. Well, following the affluent, the merchant MIDDLE classes of Dutch society sought to emulate their wealthier neighbors and also demanded tulips. So to start out with, it was purchased as a status symbol for the sole reason that it was expensive. But at the same time, tulips were known to be notoriously fragile, and would die without careful cultivation. In the early 1600s, professional cultivators of tulips began to refine techniques to grow and produce the flowers locally in the Netherlands. They established a flourishing business sector that persists to this day. By 1634, tulipmania swept through the Netherlands. The Library of Economics and Liberty writes, “The rage among the Dutch to possess tulip bulbs was so great that the ORDINARY INDUSTRY of the country was neglected, and the population, even to its lowest dregs, embarked in the tulip trade. Now, everyone's in - rich to poor. It's a little hard to say for sure how much people paid for tulips.  But Scottish journalist Charles Mackay, wrote an extremely popular 1841 book - you've probably heard of this book - it's called the Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds… It does give us some points of reference such that the best of tulips cost upwards of $1 million in today's money (but a lot of bulbs traded in the $50,000–$150,000 range).  By 1636, the demand for the tulip trade was so large that regular markets for their sale - like a little Dow Jones Industrial Average - got established on the Stock Exchange of Amsterdam, in Rotterdam, Haarlem, and other towns. It was at that time that PROFESSIONAL TRADERS got in on the action - that's all that some people do now - is trade tulips… and everybody appeared to be making money simply by possessing some of these rare bulbs.  Dutch speculators at the time spent incredible amounts of money on bulbs that only produced flowers for a Week—many companies were formed with the SOLE PURPOSE of trading tulips.  To everyone, at the time, it seemed that the price could only go up forever. Pretty soon, demand for tulips EXCEEDED THE AVAILABLE SUPPLY of tulips by so much that people were into buying futures contracts, basically saying, I'll pay you this much money TODAY for a tulip that you provide to me in 3 years. By the last 1630s, these futures contracts were like a crack that appeared in the price runup. Demand began to wane when people were just buying a token for a future tulip that hadn't even started growing yet.  People felt like they weren't buying anything tangible anymore. That's one factor that helped create an oversupply of tulips in the market and started depressing the prices. Supply caught up with - and exceeded - demand. A large part of this rapid decline was driven by the fact that people had purchased bulbs on credit, hoping to repay their loans when they sold their bulbs for a profit. But once prices started to drop, holders were forced to sell their bulbs at any price and to declare bankruptcy in the process. So people had begun buying tulips with leverage, using margined derivatives contracts to buy more than they could afford. But as quickly as the run-up began, confidence was dashed. By the end of 1637 is when prices began to fall and never recovered.   And the bubble burst. Buyers announced that they could not pay the high price previously agreed upon for bulbs, and that made the market fall apart.  While it wasn't actually a devastating occurrence for the entire nation's economy, it did undermine social expectations. The event destroyed relationships built on trust and people's willingness and ability to pay. It's been said that “the wealthiest merchants to the poorest chimney sweeps jumped into the tulip fray, buying bulbs at high prices and selling them for even more.” Well, this is what can happen - today it happens with financialization and nothing real backing up purchases. Tulipmania is a model for the general cycle of a financial bubble. That's what happened with Dutch tulips. Now, here in more recent times, similar cycles have been observed in the price of Beanie Babies, baseball cards - I got caught up in the baseball cards as a kid, owning more than 100,000 baseball cards at one time, also non-fungible tokens (NFTs), and shipping stocks.       The example of tulipmania is now used as a parable for other speculative assets, such as cryptocurrencies today or dotcom stocks from around the year 2000. So, when you hear someone likening an investment to a Dutch tulip bulb, now you'll know what they're talking about. It's a symbol of excess, greed, and FOMO. But there has been a good bit of more modern scholarship that tells you that tulip mania did indeed occur in the 1600s Netherlands. But that the tale has been exaggerated and it's something that the upper classes of society were mostly involved in. Now, that's the Dutch tulip bubble. But for a more modern-day parable about an investing mania, there's a new movie about the rise & fall of BEANIE BABIES that's on Apple TV+. These were little stuffed, plush toy animals that became more popular among adults than children. The rise and fall of Beanie Babies—toys that people mistakenly thought would make them rich. The movie is called “The Beanie Bubble”.  It's a MOSTLY TRUE account of the lovable toys' boom and bust in the '90s -  comparable to the meme stock frenzies that took place during the Covid-19 pandemic. These $5 pellet-stuffed plush toys had astronomical appreciation estimates: Stripes the Tiger, released in 1996, was predicted by collectors to surge from $5 to $1,000 by 2008.  Forecasts like these were so enticing that one dad invested his kids' college funds in Beanie Babies, thinking he'd resell them later for a hefty profit. At the height of the frenzy, people were ruining relationships and committing felonies to get their hands on some of these sacks of fuzz. Border officials confiscated more than 8,000 smuggled Beanie Babies at a US–Canada border crossing in 1998. A West Virginia man shot and killed a former coworker in 1999 after an argument partly about $150 worth of Beanie Babies. That same year, a divorcing couple couldn't agree on how to split up their collection, so the judge made them divvy up the toys in person, right on the courtroom floor. How did that all happen? Barely anyone cared about Beanie Babies when a company called Ty Inc. launched them in 1994. Stores only got lines out the door once the toy's creator, now-billionaire Ty Warner, began pulling strings to juice demand. Here's what Warner did. OK, so here's how you induce people into a speculative bubble. He refused to stock Beanie Babies at Toys R Us and Walmart. Instead he created an illusion of rarity by only selling them at small toy stores and independent shops. Even if you did find a retailer, every store's supply of Beanie Babies was limited to 36 of each animal, so inventory restocks drew a crowd. This, combined with Warner's decision to start “retiring” certain animals in 1995, created artificial scarcity and a mass panic to stock up on Beanie Babies.  Soon, an aggressive resale market was born, replete with magazines and blogs and even trade shows for these Beanie Babies. One woman's guide to the secondary Beanie Babies market got so popular that she was selling 650,000 copies per month and, on many days, she did two or three radio interviews before her kids woke up for school. Ty Inc. later gave her an award for boosting sales. At Peak Beanie mania, Ty Inc. and legions of speculators actually made hordes of money: The stuffed animals accounted for 6% of eBay's sitewide sales in 1997 and 10% in 1998. Beanies averaged a resale value of $30—six times their retail price—but rare ones, like the Princess Diana bear, went for hundreds or thousands of dollars (and now you can find one online for $15 bucks). Ty Inc. hit $1.4 billion in sales in 1998, which is what Mattel grossed in Barbie dolls in 1995. At the end of the year, Ty Warner gave all ~250 employees holiday bonuses equal to their annual salaries. But most regular people didn't sell their Beanie Babies at their peak price. And unfortunately for them, the hype subsided. Anticipating a drop in interest as more kids reached for Pokémon and Furbies, Ty Inc. announced it would stop making Beanie Babies at the end of 1999, and that poked a hole in collectors' this-will-never-not-be-popular mentality and that sent demand plummeting. There were no underlying fundamentals to Beanie Babies' value. That's all that I've got on that speculative craze.   So let's review how this happened with both speculative crazes - Dutch tulips and Beanie Babies: Investors lose track of rational expectations. Psychological biases lead to a massive upswing in the price of an asset or a sector. A positive-feedback cycle keeps inflating prices. And soon, investors realize that they are holding an irrationally-priced asset. Prices collapse due to a massive sell-off, and an overwhelming majority go bankrupt. Now, much stock market investing is based off of buy low and sell high mentality. And stock investors can get caught up in similar crazes.    But because many stocks are tied to productive companies, the stock investor deals with smaller bubbles. A lot of times, the stock price can double, triple, or even 10X even though that company is not even profitable. Buy low & sell high. Well, that sounds easy. But why is this harder to do than it sounds? It's called the cycle of investor emotions.   It starts here with… optimism. Because you HEAR about 10% stock returns or people making money with Dutch tulips or Beanie babies.    Let's say that you aren't fully invested in the stock market. But some friends are, and they're achieving small gains.   Then comes excitement. The market is now up some more. Hey, what's in motion tends to stay in motion.   More friends are telling you how much money they're "making".    You're soon experiencing a full-blown case of FOMO—Fear Of Missing Out.   The next stage is the Thrill you feel. So you jump into the stock market fully, rationalizing with something like, "Hey, I'm a momentum investor". Sounds pretty good, I guess.   Now that you're in, it actually feels fantastic to you for a short time. You figure that some days, you're making more from stocks than your job. Winning activates dopamine.    Dopamine is a brain chemical that's known as the “feel-good” hormone. It gives you a sense of pleasure. It also gives you the motivation to DO SOMETHING when you're feeling the pleasure.    So then, you add MORE shares… at an elevated price until you are FULLY invested. Now everyone is "making money", even your Uber driver.   The next stage is Euphoria - The peak! As you can see, this is the Point of Maximum Financial Risk.    OK, now, remember the simplicity of “buy low, sell high”?   Well then, savvy stock investors should now be SELLING here in my example - at the HEIGHT.   Now be “selling”? Leaving the party at its crescendo? Stopping the dopamine flow? Yes, exactly… and THAT'S why it's so difficult.    What happens after the stock market peak? Overbought, with bloated price-to-earnings ratios, the market soon drops 10% from its recent high.    That's what's known as a correction - a drop of 10% or more. Now you feel a little ANXIETY. Your dopamine flow is stifled.   Next, you tell yourself, "I shouldn't be worried because I'm a long-term investor." It's down 15%. You're experiencing DENIAL & FEAR.   Now you're checking the Robinhood app almost hourly to see if it will recover.   Next, comes Desperation & Panic - Stocks are down 20%, that's the definition of a bear market. You're devoting more mindshare to this each day than what's healthy.   Then there's Capitulation - Down 30%, you finally surrender to a FEAR of FURTHER LOSS. You're getting so sick of months of losing. You finally do it and cash out your stocks into a safe money market fund. Now you're out.   And you rationalize and justify doing this because you tell yourself, "You know, at least when I wake up tomorrow, I'll know that I haven't lost money AGAIN. And THAT gives me certainty.”    The next stage in the Cycle of Investor Emotions is Despondency - You realize that what you've done is the polar opposite of successful investing. It's complete. You've now bought high… and then sold low.    Next, stocks completely bottom out. But this is actually the Point of Maximum Financial Opportunity. Instead, you should be buying.   But you can't. Because you're experiencing the next investor stage - Depression. You're so full of contempt for the situation that the idea of actually buying at bargain-basement levels again is simply inconceivable. You've been burnt badly.   Then, there's Hope & Relief - The market has begun ticking up after the crash. It soon should be clear that share prices are FAIRLY VALUED again.    But you don't buy the recovery story. You wait until enough price growth occurs that the confidence and Optimism stage is felt again before you'll even consider getting back in and buying.   And the entire pattern repeats.   That's the “cycle of investor emotions”. There's an average of 3-and-a-half years between each stock bear market, BTW.   Of course, we've been kind to call this all “investing”. It's more like speculating.   But here's the real problem—most investors THINK they're better than average stock pickers, so they keep playing this game. This effect has a name. It's called illusory superiority.   It's like how at least 70% of people think they're better than average drivers, despite the statistical impossibility.   Even professional money managers fall prey to this! Fewer than 10% of active U.S. stock funds manage to beat THEIR benchmarks.   The renowned British economist and value investor Benjamin Graham once said: "The investor's chief problem—even his worst enemy—is likely to be HIMSELF." Well, as real estate investors, we largely SIDESTEP the cycle of investor emotions for two main reasons.   Returns are more stable.   Real estate, we sidestep this emotional roller coaster. Not only do we have stable prices, but appreciation is one of just 5 ways that you're simultaneously paid.   RE also has monthly income. Dutch tulips or Beanie Babies don't pay you a durable monthly income stream. They don't provide an income stream at all.   And finally, RE is a REAL asset that fulfills a REAL human need.   I hope that you enjoyed this journey through speculative bubbles today and how they play into human psychology and investor emotions.   Go ahead and tell a friend about Get Rich Education.   If you've got a friend or family member that you think would benefit from the knowledge drops here on the show, you can simply tell them to grab the free Get Rich Education mobile app.   That's a convenient option for listening every week for both iOS and Android.   My name's Keith Weinhold and I'll be back with you right here… next week. Don't Quit Your Daydream!

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462: How Often Do Home Prices Fall? Homeownership Rate, Join Our Live Event

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Play Episode Listen Later Aug 14, 2023 41:38


Join our live event for new-build Utah fourplexes on Wednesday. Register at: GREwebinars.com Home prices fell three times since 1975. We explore the reasons why. The homeownership rate is 66% today. (The long-term average is 65%.) I expect the homeownership rate to fall due to low affordability, which will increase renter households. If you have dollars in a savings account that pays 5% interest, I describe why you're losing prosperit. Our Investment Coach, Aundrea & I discuss the state of the real estate market. Then we discuss our upcoming live event for new-build Utah fourplexes. They produce cash flow, have great tenant amenities and come with built-in equity. This area is extremely fast-growing: Register here. Timestamps: National Home Prices Fall and Causes [00:00:01] Discussion on the historical trends of national home prices, the causes of price falls, and the impact of the 2008 global financial crisis. Housing Affordability Crisis [00:00:50] Exploration of the current state of housing affordability and the impact of the pandemic on home prices. Upcoming Real Estate Event [00:01:44] Announcement of an informative live real estate event that listeners are invited to join. The current state of housing affordability [00:11:45] Discussion on the challenges faced by first-time homebuyers due to higher prices, mortgage rates, and lending requirements. Homeownership rate trends [00:13:11] Analysis of the historical homeownership rates, including the impact of aging population and low affordability on the rate. Future outlook for homeownership rate [00:19:40] Prediction of a decline in the homeownership rate below the current 66% due to poor affordability and increasing number of renters. Rental Market Overview [00:24:10] Discussion on the current state of the rental market, including cash flowing properties, stable prices, and limited inventory. Demand for Investment Opportunities [00:26:14] Exploration of the demand from investors who are looking to invest their existing equity and the regions they are interested in, such as the Southeast and Midwest. New Build Income Properties [00:28:14] Introduction of a provider offering new construction fourplexes in the Intermountain West, discussing the market growth, population demographics, and amenities of the properties. The opportunity for new build properties in a fast growth area [00:34:59] Discussion on the benefits of investing in new construction properties in a rapidly growing area with good cash flow. The role of HOA in maintaining property values [00:36:04] Explains how the integration of HOA (Homeowners Association) helps maintain uniformity and cleanliness in the rental property investing world. Details about the upcoming real estate event [00:38:31] Promotion of a live event where listeners can learn about new construction fourplexes and have their questions answered in real time. Resources mentioned: Show Notes: www.GetRichEducation.com/462 Join our Utah fourplexes live event: GREwebinars.com Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Invest with Freedom Family Investments. You get paid first: Text ‘FAMILY' to 66866 Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review”  Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com GRE Free Investment Coaching: GREmarketplace.com/Coach Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free— text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Complete episode transcript:   Welcome to GRE! I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. Historically, just how often DO national home prices fall… and what causes it?    Then, learn more about how TODAY'S housing affordability is absolutely awful. Then, our informative live real estate event that you're invited to join. All today, on Get Rich Education. __________   Welcome to GRE! From Pennsylvania's MONongahela River to Mono Lake, CA and across 188 nations worldwide. I'm Keith Weinhold and you are listening to our one big weekly show. This is Get Rich Education.   "Real estate never goes down."    Yeah, a handful of people actually told me those five exact words in the mid-2000s decade. “Real estate never goes down.”   Of course, 2008's Global Financial Crisis (GFC) and Mortgage Meltdown proved them ALL wrong.   And ya know what, I've never heard one single person utter those words since!   Late last year, national home prices took just a small dip for a few months on a m-o-m basis. That's not something that often happens though.   So as minor as THAT was, that's the event that actually precipitated the creation of this segment of our episode.   There's a colorful chart that provides a… terrific visual of the month-over-month shifts in US home prices, per Case-Shiller, dating back to 1975. And if you're one of our “Don't Quit Your Daydream” letter subscribers, you got to see it last week.   Winston Churchill said, "The farther backward you can look, the farther FORward you can see."    I don't know that I've contributed anything quite that proverbial to the world on that exact subject yet.    I just say that when it comes to future expectations, I favor "history over hunches".   So, before we look at WHY home prices historically fall, first of all, why go back to 1975 when we're looking at a history of home prices. Why that slice of time, 1975 to present?   Well, that's almost 50 years. It's two generations, so it stops just short of your grandfather's generation which was back when the dollar was still pegged to gold.   Here's what we can we learn from almost 50 years of home price history on a relatively untethered dollar: Nominal home prices usually rise, but not always. This is NOT inflation-adjusted. That's the first takeaway. Of the 500 to 600 little rectangles, that's how many months there have been since 1975, they're nearly all blue, which means prices rose. Before we center on the red areas, which is when & where prices dipped… The next thing I can tell you is that it shows that home prices are remarkably stable. A SEASONAL fluctuation is quite apparent. Year after year, home price growth is weaker in winter and stronger in summer. But do you know how many times national home prices have dipped since 1975? Any idea? It is… three. Three periods of falling prices in the last… 48 years. Those periods were the erstwhile Global Financial Crisis period from 2007 to 2011, then that tiny dip that occurred in the last few months of last year.  That was due to a late pandemic slowdown. Before I tell you about the other time, that third time, that so few discuss, let me tell ya, the 2008 GFC went deep red. Most markets had losses of 20% or more. I WAS an active RE investor at that time. And that downturn was caused by irresponsible lending, rampant speculation, and an OVERsupply of housing. That's well documented. Look around today, and we don't have any of those conditions today. Today it's tough lending standards, no wild speculation, and oppositely, as you know, it's that STARK UNDERsupply of housing. But few people seem to know about an earlier attrition in prices. It was a mild early '90s downturn. It was really small, just a percent or two per year in a lot of places, but it persisted for more than 5 years. I think a lot of people DON'T KNOW about that small early ‘90s downturn, that's why before the Global Financial Crisis, they said what we all know to be false, “Real estate never goes down.” The start of the ‘90s. That's before my time - I mean, I was alive but not old enough to be investing, so I had to do some research about what caused prices to circle the drain just a little. And to boil it down, it occurred for two main reasons - it was from defaults created by high household debt and also, adjustable-rate mortgages kicking in, making those homeowners pay higher rates - and some couldn't pay it. So as we look back like Winston Churchill to get lessons from history, I like to look at today's landscape and see if we have any of those two early ‘90s conditions. High household debt? Well, rather, really this era's aberration is the opposite condition. Today it's households sitting on a lot of cash and equity. And then the second reason for the early ‘90s price dip - adjustable rate mortgages kicking in.  Well, that is affecting the commercial space, not the residential side, where homeowners have now been long accustomed to FIXED rate debt.  Now, before we look into the future of home prices - and I've got some good stats there… To summarize, the top takeaways from 48 years of looking at monthly HP growth are that: Prices typically rise, not always Prices are remarkably stable Prices rise more in the summer than the winter And that historically, let's distill it down to three - three chief culprits for falling prices are an OVERsupply of homes, irresponsible lending, and a distressed borrower Now, with housing, people tended to use the word “uncertainty” a lot - really, constantly, ever since the pandemic began in 2020.  Now, I think that we can finally say that the clouds have begun to clear. Though, of course, we never have 100% clairvoyance. Most everyone is confident that the majority of interest rate hikes are done, inflation has come down, mortgage rates are back at historic NORMS right now actually, and home prices are rising at historic NORMS again too.  You have all this money sloshing around the economy that is still fueling consumer wealth from the pandemic. All this money sloshing around AGAINST a low housing supply, and with more economic certainty.  All this really has a lot of people more bullish than I've seen in a couple years. Homebuilder confidence is really surging right now. And looking into the next year, more and more analysts are now forecast increasing national home prices.   Fannie Mae recently revised their forecast upward to 3.9% appreciation for THIS YEAR.   CoreLogic now expects prices 4.3% higher from June of this year to of next year. And Zillow expects 6.3% price appreciation over this same time period.   And, our core investor areas have just kept climbing and really didn't experience last year's slowdown at all.   I guess this isn't necessarily good news, right? The bad news might be that there's no price BREAK.   Higher RATES still didn't break the market.   Now, I've heard some analysts at real estate research firms speculate that if INTEREST RATES fall in the next year with all these other favorable conditions that 10% HPA is possible.   I'd say, that's speculative alright. It's so hard to predict future interest rates that I'm not willing to do it.   And like I've shared with you here, which is contrary to what people USED to believe, it's that:   Mortgage rates really don't have that much to do with home prices!   So when it comes to home prices over the next couple years, I think that the most commonsense expectation is slow price growth and stability.   Now, just wait until you see what's happening with the homeownership rate today. I want to share that with you shortly.   Before we get back to RE, let's Zoom out for a moment and look at the broader investing landscape while we're here at mid-quarter.   Bitcoin is getting less volatile than stocks. That's one trend lately. Another way to say that though, is that bitcoin prices are in a period of historic stagnation.   Gold has fallen from the $2,000 an ounce mark that it touched recently.   Oil prices have been on a multi-month tear, but you know, when you look at it on an inflation-adjusted basis, which so many people forget to do, oil at under $100 a barrel feels inexpensive.   Elsewhere in investing, some online savings accounts have hit the 5% yield mark.   That might sound good when you consider that inflation has backed off.    But as most agree that the CPI is understated, if you think that the true diminished purchasing power of the dollar is 5% and your savings account rate is 5%, aren't you at least treading water?   Well, first of all, just treading water means that you aren't going anywhere or growing.    But you're not even treading water. Because don't forget that your interest earnings on savings accounts get taxed.    So it's good to hold some liquidity - always. But you're likely underwater with a 5% savings account in this era.   Yes, on your interest earnings, you're taxed at your earned income tax rate, between 10 and 37%. Say that you're in the 32% tax bracket.    Well then, real inflation is 5% and your 5% savings account only yielded 3.4%.    On an inflation-adjusted basis, even if you happen to have a savings account with a yield that high, your inflation-adjusted return is negative 1.6%.   That's why, here at GRE, we typically invest in vehicles that target returns VASTLY exceeding both inflation and taxes.   As much as that might hurt, you know who today's real estate market is actually really bad for? Even worse for the saver that isn't even treading water.   It is downright AWFUL out there for those wannabe first-time homebuyers.   They are looking at this triple-headed monster of higher prices, higher mortgage rates, and stringent lending requirements. And then if they overcome ALL that, they've got to compete for that tight supply.   It's made affordability for people in THAT position really awful.    In a lot of markets, a starter home is $400K. With your 20% down payment plus closing costs, that's $100,000 out of pocket, right upfront, as well as your ongoing monthly payment… all for an asset that doesn't generate income when it's your HOME.   Well, that's an insurmountable hurdle for a lot of people.   This low affordability moves people out of the homebuyer class and adds them to the ranks of the RENTER class.    Well, there's our opportunity as landlords.   You aren't preying on them. You're risking your capital to provide good housing for them.    But curiously, the HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE is actually just a touch higher than usual right now, despite souring affordability.   So, let's take a look at this. And then I'll break down what it means to you as well as where we're headed.   Since 1965, the average homeownership since 65% and currently, it's 66%, running a little high.   BTW, homeownership peaked at 69% in 2004—that's back when you could outright lie about your income, job, and assets, and still get a mortgage. Many people did just that. NINJA loans.   When you hear the acronym, NINJA loans, what that stands for is no income, no job, or assets.   Well, you either rent your home or you own your home. It's one or the other.    So then, today's 66% homeownership rate means that everyone else, 34%, are renters.    When the homeownership rate drops, then you've got more renters.   The low point for homeownership was in 2016 at 63%.    It's grown since then, and you might wonder… how in the heck is homeownership above average today in the face of this low affordability? How is it 66%. Well, there's a few reasons for that and it's not always intuitive. America's population keeps AGING.  And that skews figures… because homeowners tend to BE older. Secondly, incumbents - those that already GOT their home have really low, affordable payments. They're not going to lose their home & become renters.  80% of borrowers have a mortgage rate under 5%. You're really happy to stay put when your mortgage rate begins with a “4” or less - and you can also keep making the payment.  It's a payment amount that does not rise with inflation. That introduces a lag effect in the stats. It'll be a little while until this low affordability gets reflected in a lower HO rate. There's a low FORECLOSURE rate, under 1%. Americans can afford their payments and they have the motivation to keep making them. Now, over on YouTube, I shared a great map with you, the Homeownership Rate by state and broke that down. Join us over there. On YouTube, we're called “Get Rich Education”, of course. I host THAT show and it's different from THIS show. What's the trend here? Well, HO is highest in low cost states like the Midwest and Southeast, and HO is lower in high cost states.  WV has the highest rate at 78%... because it's low cost.  NY has the lowest HO at 54%... because it's high cost. NYC drags down the number for upstate NY.   So where are we headed? In the future, I expect a NATIONAL DROP in the homeownership rate.   This is because few expect property prices or mortgage rates to fall significantly. Lending requirements should stay strict.    So it's the awful FTHB affordability that will continue to take homeownership lower.    See, FTHBers are also exactly the type of people that often have student loan debt repayments to make… if they ever have to begin repaying them.    That's also going to make it tougher for people to clear that affordability bar. They're going to keep being your renter.     And that's why I expect the homeownership rate to plummet below 66% where it is now, and then below the long-term average of 65% by 2025 or 2026. That's where we're likely headed if market forces prevail.   Depending on who our president is in 2025, government relief programs are just about the only thing that I can see getting in the way of a declining HO rate.   Household FORMATION is high right now… because you have sooo many Americans between ages 25 and 40.   So that question you've got to ask is - is that new HH going to be formed as a OO residence or as a rental?   Increasingly, it's gonna be a rental because of that continued poor affordability.   See, for a ton of people, if they didn't get their ultra-low rate mortgage the past couple years, then, well, it's too late.    That era is over and that's why their affordability ship has sailed. That ship has passed. It's gone.   And that's why more RENTERS are being made every single day.   So if you're a LL, this is expected to both increase your occupancy rate AND the amount of rent that you can charge.   Carefully-chosen rental property is really where today's opportunity is.   I've got more on that shortly, as I'm about to bring in one of our two Investment Coaches.   You know, you're telling us that you find it so helpful to have free one-on-one coaching with them, either Aundrea or nuh-RAYSH.    Both coaches have their MBAs. When you read their bios on our Coaching Page, they've got some impressive international corporate experience.   But they both live right here in the USA and they're active REIs themselves - that's really how they help get you started and connect you with the right market and property.   It's an in-house conversation with an IC & I straight ahead and we'll discuss how we can help you.   I'm Keith Weinhold. You're listening to Get Rich Education. __________________   Aundrea talked about cash flow. OK, that exists. Great. Yet, I still think of these as better for appreciation than cash flow over time. She'd probably agree.   Maybe you're thinking a brand new construction duplex in the path of progress IM West could cost $1M or $2M, but no, this builder provides them for less than that.    And then, of course, you're probably going to finance most of that cost yourself too.   And, BTW, Aundrea did smile at my dorky joke about her loving rap music. A big smile that you couldn't see through the audio-only podcast here.    But, yeah. You didn't quite hear a laugh. See, one prerequisite to laughing is that a joke actually be funny.   In any case, Aundrea and the provider are your two co-hosts on Wednesday.   The provider is a powerhouse of knowledge about not just real estate and demographics and fourplexes, but construction and financing too and everything that goes into it in order to optimize the investor experience for you.    HE can answer questions in real-time for you.   It is almost time for the Beehive State to shine as Utah is front, center and under the stage lights on GRE's Live Event in just two days.   You are cordially invited to join… as long as you don't ask Aundrea about rap music.    But, really. When you put this all together - a 4-unit building is the most that you can get with best financing terms, the cash flow, new construction, often this BUILT-IN equity at purchase time too, a fast population growth market, all inside a demographic population in Utah that's young and has good incomes… it's really quite remarkable. Quite a confluence.   We haven't had an event for a product type like this before, and I don't know if we'll ever have an event quite like this again.    Attend live to get your questions answered and get the first look at the inventory.   But if you can't make it on Wednesday, then sign up anyway and we will effort to get the replay link for you.   You can do it all at: GREwebinars.com   Until next week, I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. DQYD!

Lightworkers Lounge
Leo New Moon: Don't Quit Your DayDream

Lightworkers Lounge

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 13, 2023 46:37


The New Moon in Leo is Wednesday, August 16th. We will feel the energy all week. In this episode, Stephanie shares what the Leo New Moon means, as well as what to expect.We speak about:Why some people let go of daydreamsHow to resurrect themHer personal experience with losing a dreamHow to not let the music die within you...Your relationship to Love & Money: the forces that can make or break a dream.This is an episode you dont wanna miss! The information shared will last longer than the new moon....*** Want to learn how to work with the daily moon transits? Purchase Stephanie's Moon Journal 'It's Just a Phase' right here *Want to learn Astrology directly from Stephanie?  Click Here to get access! To book a reading with Stephanie: www.lightworkers-lounge.com Intro song:  Feeling - MILANO Outro song: Feeling - MILANO *All Songs Featured in Lightworkers Lounge can be found on our Spotify Playlist! Follow us on Social Media!Instagram: @stephanie__powers , @lightworkerslounge, @cosmic___coconutSupport the show

This Is Your Afterlife
Only Child Heaven Cafe with Karl Bradley

This Is Your Afterlife

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 11, 2023 51:36


A subtle snow theme in this episode with sketch comedian and improviser Karl Bradley (Cigarette Sandwich).Content warning: suicidal consideration, black hole event horizons, wishing to be at least 200 different people, I DO NOT BELIEVE ANYONE HAS ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED DEJA VU.Patreon supporters make This Is Your Afterlife possible and get awesome bonus episodes. Become an Afterhead at patreon.com/davemaher. I'll be announcing the details of my new one-man show in the next few weeks. Stay tuned!Watch Karl live on stage in Trigger Happy at the Annoyance Theatre (Wednesdays at 9:30pm), the Armando at iO (Thursdays at 8pm), and whenever he happens to understudy the current Second City main stage show, Don't Quit Your Daydream.Follow me @thisisdavemaher on Twitter and Instagram.And check out my other podcast, Genre Reveal Party!, where I'm analyzing TV and movies with writer and cultural critic Madeline Lane-McKinley.---Music = Future: "Use Me" / James Blackshaw: "The Cloud of Unknowing" / Johnnie Frierson: "Miracles"

Get Rich Education
455: Disturbing Facts About Your Bank, Many Millennials Will Rent Forever

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 26, 2023 37:44


Get our newsletter free here or text “GRE” to 66866. Storing your money at a bank entails more risk than you think. Your deposit is a bank's liability. Banks must take risks with your money because they don't charge you fees. Banks used to have a 10:1 reserve ratio. As of March 2020, all reserve requirements are now eliminated. Rather than storing lots of money at the bank, borrow lots of money from the bank. US households own $41T of owner-occupied property—$29T in equity, $12T in debt. The national LTV ratio is 30%, historically low. That's 70% equity. Of the five ways real estate pays: one profit source is the market, two are from the tenant's job, and two come from the government. Many Millennials plan to rent forever. 63% have nothing saved for a down payment. The interest-rate lock in effect keeps constraining the available supply of homes. This forces more homebuilders to build. Last week, NBC Nightly News covered the rise of build-to-rent communities. Resources mentioned: Show Notes: www.GetRichEducation.com/455 Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Find cash-flowing Jacksonville property at: www.JWBrealestate.com/GRE Invest with Freedom Family Investments. You get paid first: Text ‘FAMILY' to 66866 Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review”  Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free— text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Complete episode transcript:   Welcome to GRE! I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. Do you have any idea what banks do with your money? How home equity is like a bank, hot Millennial rental trends, and the proliferation of Build To Rent real estate, today on Get Rich Education! ___________   Welcome to GRE! From Glens Falls, NY to Klamath Falls, OR and across 188 nations worldwide, the voice of real estate investing since 2014. You're listening to Get Rich Education. I'm your host, Keith Weinhold.   You did not wake up to be mediocre today. So we don't focus on long-term budgeting here.    Correlating financial betterment chiefly with reducing your expenses is just a race to the bottom. You and your peers would just be racing to the bottom.   We know that, instead, yes, arbitrage is created when you  borrow low and invest high. But the ultimate arbitrage - which is the gap or that spread, is when your quality of life vastly exceeds your cost of living.    That's that gap that you & I pry open ever wider together right here, every week.    Savers lose wealth. Stock investors maintain wealth. REIs build wealth.   Savers lose wealth because inflation makes holding onto a dollar like a block of ice melting in your hand.    Retail stock investors only MAINTAIN wealth because their 9 to 10% long-term return is worn down to less than nothing with inflation, emotion, taxes, fees, and volatility.   And real estate investors BUILD real, durable wealth.     If you have a mentality of trading time for dollars, then you  have a certain way of looking at your life.    If you realize that your investing mission in your life is to build things that pay you to own them, then you have a different way of looking at life.    The resources that you need to build those things are what we cultivate here on this show.    You know something though, by the time that I bought my first rental property, I didn't have all of that figured out yet.    It really wasn't until I bought my second property. It was also a fourplex, just like the first one. This second one cost $530,000. And check out how I bought it.    I bought it with a 10% down payment, interest-only loan, and interest rate of 7⅝%.    Yep, I took accumulated equity from my first four-plex and used it as a down payment on the second four plex.   Now, that way, I essentially had zero money in the deal - which is an infinite return strategy - and both fourplexes cashflowed.   Now, the interest-only loan on my second fourplex there… that gives some people pause.   Why would I do that?   That kept my monthly payment amount down - since I could pay only interest - and didn't have to pay principal. That turned a property with a small cash flow into a nice cash flow.   Yeah, some people don't like interest-onlys because then the tenant isn't paying down your principal for you.    I typically take interest-only loans because for every dollar that doesn't go into your illiquid principal as equity, instead, it becomes a dollar of liquid cash flow that goes into your pocket.   In fact, changes are that the reason that you have fat equity in home right now is from market appreciation, not principal paydown.   In fact, why don't I approach the classic GRE principle of “your return from home equity is always zero” from a new and novel angle here today.    Gosh, this could make you hundreds of thousands or millions over your investor career.   Imagine a bank. We'll call it a red bank. This bank is offering you zero rate of return, it's difficult for you to withdraw your money from it, and this red bank might not even let you withdraw your own money at all - it is at their discretion.    How motivated are you to hold your money at that bank? Well, you aren't at all.    Well, I just described equity that's locked inside properties… and that's why… your properties make terrible banks.   Equity is the opposite of you being liquid.   Instead, the GRE Way is leverage and arbitrage, but it needs to be supported by cash flow.    So, we are not quite on an island here with our strategy, because we're still connected with the mainstream finance world - but we're, say, a peninsula then.    And, like a peninsula, maybe, real estate keeps you insulated - though not completely disconnected from that more volatile stock and bond shuffle that most people are on - which provides little to zero leverage or cash flow.    Do you know what that stock and bond shuffle is - that seesaw?   Let's remind ourselves… that when money flees the stock market, it usually ends up in bonds. As demand for bonds goes UP, interest rates go DOWN. Then, as interest rates go down, investors go back to stocks in pursuit of yield, and everything reverses. It's an ebb and flow of funds which often provides you with zero real return. That's how that seesaw goes. So rather than get a part-time job, which is selling your time for dollars, get a few rental properties instead.    Whether you manage them yourself or you manage the manager - like I do, I manage managers… you've got the income stream of a part-time job with an asset that appreciates at the same time.   As time passes, the reason that you will feel satisfied is because you took strategic risk.   Now, to stick to the bank analogy theme here, a lot of people still don't realize that when you take your money to the bank, you are a creditor of the bank, and the bank is now lending your money out.   So, just think about what you're doing - well, you yourself probably aren't doing so much of this - you're probably a better than average investor since you're listening here.   But think about those depositors that keep a lot of money at the bank.   Yes, we know you're losing to inflation, but besides that, just think about what happens to your money this way.   What about a parking garage and your car? OK, when you park your car at a valet, the valet is supposed to turn around and park it in a garage.   The valet does not have the right to take your car and let an Uber driver go make money with it while you're off having dinner.   And then maybe they'll give you the same make & model back at the end of the night… and they stick YOU with the risk of having a problem with your car - or your money.    That's what banks are doing with your money when you park it there. It's like a valet letting an Uber driver use it and take risks with it without your knowledge.   What isn't FDIC-insured is… at… risk.   Well, what's the alternative to banks lending out the money that you deposited with them? Well, the alternative to the existing system is that banks, instead, could make money off of fees that they charge you.   How is it that you avoid paying fees to your bank right now, like you are? I mean, afterall, banks have capital expenses, technology expenses, and employee expenses.   If banks charge fees to you rather than profiting from the spread that they get on lending your money out, we could have a safer system.   But most people like the allure of fee-free banking, partly because that's what they're used to.   Banks used to have to hold onto a dollar for every $10 they had in deposits. That's also known as a 10:1 fractional reserve ratio.    Well, the risks of parking your money at a bank went up in March of 2020. That's when the Fed just COMPLETELY eliminated reserve ratios for banks.    Now, for every $10 they have in deposits, banks can hold zero dollars in reserve.    Instead of parking your money at a bank, you do the opposite. You borrow from the bank, pay them their 7% interest and invest it in “Real Estate Pays Five Ways” property that beats 7%. Right there's… your arbitrage.   Now you're using their money instead of them using your money - like the valet that you entrusted your car with that lent out your car to the Uber driver while you were at dinner.    So outside of inflation, why is it risky to keep your money parked AT a bank - rather than borrowing from them. Because, as has often happened this year, banks implode.     Why are they imploding?   Well, just a couple years ago, when banks lent on mortgages at 3%, they're only collecting 3% for 30 years.    What happens to the BANK when interest rates go up? No one wants to buy their 3% debt. The depositor (that's you, the customer) wants their money back - because they can go invest it for 5% elsewhere. That's a problem for the bank.   And if the government does come in to give a bailout of your bank - we know by now that they're more likely to do it if it's a large bank, like Chase, Wells Fargo, or B of A.   Well, more gov't bailouts of banks… means more money printing… which means more inflation, making our eventual problems even worse.   So rather than keeping too much money at the bank, BEAT the bank.   Now, earlier, I mentioned how having a glut of equity in your properties is like keeping your money in a rather illiquid bank.    That is a germane point - a pertinent discussion to have right now, because take a look at this. This is America's equity position, right now.   This is for the latest quarter ended. The Federal Reserve Flow of Funds report tells us that    U.S. households owned $41 trillion in owner-occupied real estate. Alright, $41T is the value of that US residential property.   Of that $41T, how much do you think is in debt, and how much is in equity? I'm just doing some rounding here.   $12 trillion in debt and the remaining $29 trillion is in equity.   Therefore, the national loan-to-value "LTV" right now is about 30%. That is historically quite low.   Another way to say it is that America's primary residences have a 70% equity position today.    Yes, 70% of the value of American homes is locked into that vehicle that's famously unsafe, illiquid, and always has an ROI of zero.    Homeowners today have an average of $302,000 of equity in their homes.    Now, as inefficient as that might sound from an opportunity cost perspective from homeowners.   There is, at least, a little upside to your neighbors having a glut of equity even if you try to opportunistically hold a low equity position.   This equity provides a cushion to withstand potential price declines, but also prevents any future housing distress from turning into a foreclosure situation.    Those equity cushions around American neighborhoods help prevent the down… drain in prices that we saw from 2007 to 2009.   I've got more for you coming shortly, including, has the Build-To-Rent concept that we've discussed on this show for years & years finally gone mainstream now that NBC news is discussing it?   You'll hear that audio clip and get my commentary on it.   But first, I want to ask you, is this the "Golden Age" of quality NEWSLETTERS or what?    News WEBSITES are increasingly riddled with: paywalls, logins, banner ads, and pop-ups about cookies, the hassle of 2FA. Instead, a quality newsletter is just automatically “there” in your inbox.    Our valuable Don't Quit Your Daydream newsletter is full of real estate investing industry trends and forecasts, broader economic forces that are going to affect you in the future & more.    Get top investment property news in under 5 minutes.  You can sign up and get the letter free now at GetRichEducation.com/Letter.   In there, you get updates about what provider has inventory now - even exact physical addresses of properties.    In fact, I've featured two of my own rental properties in the newsletter as I broke down their financials. Again, sign up at GetRichEducation.com/Letter   I STILL write every single word of that letter myself. I don't think that a lot of founders do that.   Upon signup, you'll receive some lay of the land e-mails, and thereafter, I only send it about weekly. Not daily.   Alternatively, you can easily sign up for the letter by text. If you aren't yet one of many subscribers expanding your means with my letter, you can simply text “GRE” to 66866 for our DQYD Letter. It is free.   Again, you can sign up by simply texting “GRE” to 66866. More next. I'm Keith Weinhold. You're listening to Get Rich Education. _____________   Welcome back. You're listening to Episode 455 of Get Rich Education. I'm your host, Keith Weinhold.   Five weeks ago on the show, you'll remember that I reiterated why real estate does not pay 4 ways and does not pay 6 ways - it pays exactly five ways simultaneously.   Sometimes, amid uncertainty - and note that there's ALWAYS - uncertainty.   It never abates. People wondered when the Fed would stop hiking rates at a meeting. Now they did. People wondered when inflation would get down to 4 - now it has.    But those that worry excessively will still point to something else that's uncertain.   But in good times, bad times, and uncertain investing times, you might want to get more offensive. Other times, more defensive.   Real estate is both. Of the 5 ways you're paid, appreciation and cash flow serve your offensive side.   At the same time, your return on Amortization, Tax Benefits, and Inflation-Profiting all serve your defensive side.   Now, let's go and look at the sources - the headwaters - the genesis.    What are your 5 profit sources - for appreciation - it's the market. It's the vibrancy and diversity of the economic market that you bought in. That's where your appreciation emanates from.   For the second way you're paid, cash flow, it's your tenant and your tenant's job.   For the third way, your Return on Amortization - that ROA, that also comes from your tenant, since that pays your loan's Principal & Interest.   The fourth way, tax benefits, that's the gov't.   And the fifth way, your inflation-profiting, that also comes from the gov't.    Yes, that's the source, the headwaters for each of the five ways you're paid and knowing that can help you be mindful about what to pay attention to in your investment real estate portfolio long-term.   Yes, this is just with carefully-bought buy & hold real estate. Unlike most investments, if the value of your property goes down, you still get paid 4 ways.    So to review the 5 Ways Real Estate Pays SOURCES - where your money actually originates, it's:   Appreciation - from the market Cash flow - from the tenant ROA - tenant Tax Benefits - gov't And Inflation-Profiting - also from the gov't   Now, here at GRE, when we focus on your tenant and where your tenant comes from, you know, one word that comes up an awful lot is Millennials.   Why do we discuss Millennials so regularly? It's not because we're the first generation to embrace avocados or online dating over “in real life” dating or, it's the first generation to be raised in a world of participation trophies. Ha!    It's because, not only are Millennials the largest generation in American history, but they are in their prime household formation years.   Though there's a bit of dissension among demographers, many agree that Millennials were born between 1981 and 1996. That makes them Age 27 to 42 - they are prime household formation years.    BTW, you probably know of the generation after that, Gen Z. They were born between 1997 and 2012, making Gen Z age 11 to 26.   But do you know about the generation after that? That is Generation Alpha. They were born between 2012 and today, making Generation Alpha age 0 to 11.    Well, the Millennial homeownership rate lags that of previous generations of people that were the same age. So this is why you have such a deep pool of people that's driving demand for your rentals.   Millennials have the misfortune of being stung by back-to-back global crises.    When they were coming of age in 2008, many couldn't get a job during the Global Financial Crisis. Then the pandemic disruption made getting their independence pretty bumpy.   In fact, fully 18% of Millennials say that they plan to rent forever. Forever! That's up from 11% just five years ago.    Not just a few, but the MAJORITY of Millennial Renters have zero down payment for house savings. 63% of them have absolutely nothing saved for a house.    And in fact, another 14% have less than $5,000 saved - which is close to nothing. That is all according to a survey from Apartment List.    More Millennials plan to rent forever.    Now, I've done a fair bit of research on Generation Z  real estate trends - again they're the age between 11 and 26. And there are a few more Gen Z homeowners than you might think already.    But the short story on Gen Z, just isn't that compelling. To distill everything I've researched, most Gen Zers want to own a home but few can afford it. Well, no kidding. That's not a very novel takeaway, but that's the REAL story there.   If Millennials are your current renters, then Gen Z are your current and future renters.   Now, I've talked to you a good bit about the “interest rate lock-in” effect. So many homeowners have ultra-low mortgage rates that they don't want to sell their home, and when they don't put it on the market, that further constrains supply.   Well, Redfin recently brought some new color to the interest-rate lock-in effect. They've shared some really interesting material with us.   92% of mortgage borrowers have an interest rate under 6%.   80% of them have an interest rate below 5%.   62% of these people have an interest rate below 4%.   And a quarter have a rate below 3%.   New listings of homes for sale and the total number of listings have both dropped to their lowest level on record for this time of year… and that is fueling homebuyer competition in some markets and preventing home prices from falling.    In fact, Redfin tells us that the national ASKING price for homes is the same that it was one year ago.   Sale prices increased most in these 5 metro areas. Cincinnati leading the way at (9.2%). We've got cash-flowing Cincinnati property at GRE Marketplace. Miami (8%) not really a cash flow market there. Third-best is Milwaukee (8%), rounded out by Fort Lauderdale, FL (6%) and Virginia Beach, VA (5%).  They are the 5 metros with the highest appreciation. Current months of national housing supply is still just 2.6 months - scarce inventory. 6 months is a balance market.   Homes that sold were on the market for a median of 28 days. That is the shortest span since September. There's a bit of a seasonal factor there though.   Now, when we talk about the paltry supply of homes since existing homeowners don't want to lose their low rate, it's forced more homebuilders to build - in order to make some inventory available.   It's made a good opportunity for you to buy these homes that are built for renters from Day 1, and rent it to a tenant yourself.    Now, I know that your life is more interesting than watching the NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt and then dozing off to sleep at 9:30 PM (ha!), so in case you didn't catch it, here it is on “Build-To-Rent” last week.   It really takes the perspective of the RENTER and why they want to pay your rent to stay in a Build-To-Rent home… longer than they do for an apartment. This is about 2 minutes long & I'll be back to comment.   BTR on NBC News:  https://youtu.be/BXwTerRQWNo?t=954   Yes, that's the popularity of build-to-rent homes. Something that we've been discussing here at GRE, for, gosh, maybe 8 years now.   Like they said there, rents are on the rise. But they're not rising nearly as fast as they were 1 and 2 years ago. Rent growth has slowed for both SFHs and apartments.   I think that the assurance for prospective income property owners like you is that in your Build-To-Rent properties, you can have a reasonable expectation of high occupancy and low vacancy as long as you buy your SFRs in a decent market.   And see, more often than not, a builder is only going to build new, rental single-family homes if there are plentiful jobs nearby to support that.   So you can kind of crowdsource the due diligence that the builder did on what's demographically and economically feasible if you choose to add these property types.   Despite the build-to-rent properties added, today, America only has half as many homes available as 2019.   Compared to just a year ago, there are 5% fewer available properties today.    But, we've got available Build-To-Rent and existing income property here at GRE Marketplace. Yes, just create one login, one time, and get access to all national providers at GRE Marketplace.com.   But say you want a little help, a little coaching. Say perhaps you haven't bought property before, or you haven't bought one in a while, or you haven't bought property across state lines yet - since that's where the best deals usually are - or you just want to lean on a coach to bounce ideas off of as you're looking for your next investment property.   Well, in that case, you can rely on our free coaching service. That's at GREmarketplace.com/Coach   Our coaches don't blow the whistle at you for missing a play. You'll never find them as grumpy as, say, New England Patriots' Coach Bill Belichick. They're not that kind of coach. It's not the kind of coach that will ask you to start your morning with an ice bath.   And if you're new to real estate, there's no such thing as a stupid question with GRE Investment Coaches. No penalty flags are thrown.   To find that property that builds your residual income and pays you five ways, you can choose which coach you want to have help you.     Coaching is a completely free service to you.   What they do is... Learn your goals Find you the best off-market deals nationwide Find the property provider with incentives. (One provider recently offered 4.75% interest rates, another free PM for one year.) Help write your offer if you would like that Submit earnest money Navigate the inspection Interpret your appraisal Check your management agreement And just ensure a smooth closing day for you Your Investment Coach can do more than this. If you prefer, they can do less than this.   GRE Marketplace is where the coaches source the properties. It is more like an organic farmers' market than a big box store. Property offerings change frequently.   Because there are limited slots available to talk with them through phone or Zoom, it helps if you've got your down payment and are ready to go.   Sheesh. If it were any easier, they'd even make your down payment for you.   Did I mention that it's completely free? To get started, choose your coach and book a time. Start at GREmarketplace.com/Coach   Until next week, I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. DQYD!

Get Rich Education
445: Your Questions Answered: Overleveraged, House Hack vs. Turnkey, Hyperinflation

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 17, 2023 32:11


Keith Weinhold answers listener questions about real estate investing.  He advises listeners on how many properties they need to own to become a millionaire, how to invest $40,000 to reach a $100,000 down payment for a rental property, and how to find the best future real estate markets.  Keith emphasizes the importance of positive cash flow, avoiding over-leveraging, and owning properties in multiple job growth markets and states.  He also discusses the potential for hyperinflation and the benefits of owning real assets to combat inflation.  Keith encourages listeners to leave a rating and review for the podcast and consult with professionals for individualized advice. **Taylor's question [00:01:07]** How many properties must I own to become a millionaire? Keith explains that it depends on the profitability of the properties, how much they go up in value, and how much rent is charged.  **Mitrel's question [00:05:04]** Should I invest my $40,000 in the stock market to reach my $100,000 down payment goal for a rental property? Keith advises on risk tolerance and suggests alternative options such as I bonds. **Kevin's question [00:09:08]** What are the forward-looking indicators to find the best future real estate markets? Keith talks about the prospect of hyperinflation and provides insights on finding the best real estate markets. **Forward Looking Indicators for Real Estate Markets [00:09:16]** Keith answers Kevin's question about selecting MSAs with forward-looking indicators, including population growth, employment, and upcoming government infrastructure projects. **Sponsor Ads [00:15:45]** Keith thanks Ridge Lending Group, JWB Real Estate Capital, and Mid-South Home Buyers for sponsoring the show. **House Hacking in Southern California [00:18:03]** Keith advises Connor on whether to invest in an out-of-state rental or house hack in Southern California, considering high real estate prices, tax rates, and tenant protection laws. **Real Estate Financing Options [00:19:03]** Keith discusses financing options for single-family homes and fourplexes, including FHA and VA loans, and the advantages and disadvantages of house hacking in Southern California versus investing out-of-state. **Hyperinflation and the US Economy [00:21:40]** Keith addresses a listener's question about the possibility of hyperinflation in the US economy, defining hyperinflation and discussing the factors that contribute to it, including a nation's debt and foreign demand for its currency. **Leverage in Real Estate Investing [00:25:00]** Keith answers a listener's question about being over-leveraged in real estate investing, explaining the risks of taking on too much debt and emphasizing the importance of buying properties that are cash flow positive. **Real Estate Investing Strategies [00:28:00]** Keith explains how to avoid over-leveraging and how to project positive cash flow from day one. **Benefits of High Leverage [00:29:09]** Keith explains how high leverage can help you build wealth faster and why it's best to finance your properties. **Encouragement to Leave a Podcast Review [00:30:07]** Keith encourages listeners to leave a podcast review and explains how it helps the show reach more people. **Disclaimer [00:31:32]** A disclaimer is given that nothing on the show should be considered specific personal or professional advice. Resources mentioned:  Show Notes: www.GetRichEducation.com/445 I-Bonds: https://www.treasurydirect.gov/savings-bonds/i-bonds/ Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Find cash-flowing Jacksonville property at: www.JWBrealestate.com/GRE Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review”  Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free—text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Welcome to GRE! I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. I answer your listener questions today.    A 12-year-old listener asks, how many properties must I own to become a millionaire?  Another asks, “Should my first property be a house hack or an out-of-state rental”?    One question is about the imminent prospect of HYPERinflation.   Also, “What are FORWARD-looking indicators to find the best future RE markets?” Those questions and more questions all answered, today, on Get Rich Education! ___________   Hey, welcome in to GRE. I'm your host and Founder, in fact, of this very show… and all Get Rich Education platforms, a 20-year REI and Active Member of the Forbes Real Estate Council. My name is Keith Weinhold. Ya probably know that by now.   This is Episode 445 of Get Rich Education.   When I do these listener question episodes, I generally begin with some of the more basic questions.   Today's first question comes from Taylor in Wooster, Ohio. Taylor is age 12 and he simply asks:   How many properties must I own to become a millionaire?   Well, thanks for that, Taylor. I don't often get questions from a 12-year-old.    I love that you're listening and the fact that you ARE greatly increases the chances of you building wealth when you're an adult, yet young enough to enjoy it.   Like a lot of questions in real estate, the answer to how many properties you must own to become a millionaire “depends”.   It depends on how profitable your properties are - how much they go up in value and how much you're getting from the rents that you charge the tenants, how long you do a good job of keeping them as tenants, as well as how capable you are of controlling your property's expenses.   So, you could own as little as just ONE property and be a millionaire, Taylor.   Owning MORE properties is better than owning fewer properties. That way, if you have one that isn't profitable, you'll have profits from your others.     And you can own more properties when you can use part of your OWN money & part the bank's money… in owning the property.   Now, Taylor, if you have one million dollars, say, you had a million bucks in stacks stuffed in your closet, you need to understand that that is not enough.    You're 12 years old now. You might live another 80 years. Then you'd need that million to last you 80 years.    Even a 50-year-old with a million dollar stack of dollars bills in their closet would not have enough money to live on for the rest of their life.   You might need closer to 10 million dollars. That's called a decamillionaire. So think about setting your net worth target higher. Think, “How can I be a decamillionaire?”   But actually, you don't just want to think about the height of your stack of dollar bills reaching any certain number of millions ONLY. It matters. But what matters more is how fast your stacks are GROWING.   That's called cash flow. If your stacks are growing at a rate every year that exceeds all of your expenses, you are financially-free. That's why it beats being debt-free.   Another thing, Taylor, I know that your hometown of Wooster, Ohio is between Columbus and Akron so - though I'm not familiar with Wooster - but I do know its the county seat of Wayne County -    …you do tend to have markets nearby that can create CF really well - that's that ability to GROW your cash stacks, hopefully to a height of 10 million someday.    Thanks for your question, Taylor.   You know, it warms my heart to know that kids listen to the show. I remember shortly after launching the show in 2014 that a Dad & son from New Jersey wrote in and told us that they look forward to listening to the show together every week.    I like to do that family-friendly show, from Day 1. A clean lyrics show since inception.   I like to keep it classy. I like to make that show that would make my late Grandma Weinhold proud - though I don't think she ever knew how to listen to this show.   That's part of my brand… and it warms my heart to see children in the audience.  ______________   The next question comes from Mitrel. I don't know where Mitrel is from, because some questions come in on our YouTube Channel, but he says…   I have a good job and $40,000 in savings, expect an upcoming BOOM in real estate and need $100,000 for a down payment.    Does it make sense to gamble my $40K in the high risk stock market to get up to the $100K sooner and capitalize on the RE purchase?   If I lose the $40K, I'll recover it in time with my job anyway over time.   If I win & get it to $100K, I'll have my income property and be off to the races with leverage and Real Estate Pays 5 Ways.   If I simply tried to preserve the $40K in a savings account, I'd lose to inflation anyway.   That's his question. Alright, Mitrel. You've got $40K, want to get to $100K for your down payment on some rental property.    Now, we have properties at GRE Marketplace where $30 or $35K is enough to get started… but with your $100K down payment goal, I sense that you might have a specific purchase in mind.   Of course, it's about getting a 20-25% down payment + 4% CCs  - as a percent of your purchase price - and you'll want to hold some reserves.   Well, to get your cash stash from $40K up to $100K, it has to do with your risk tolerance.   It sounds like you're open to risk with putting it in the stock market short-term to try to reach your goal faster.   So, yeah. You would probably want to do that OUTSIDE of a retirement account since they generally have early withdrawal penalties.   In a savings account, yes, you're aware that with true inflation, that would just debase your savings' purchasing power.   If you're open to risk, I guess one could get in & out of crypto at just the right time - if you do that, I'd choose bitcoin.   But you know, whether you go with risky stocks or risky bitcoin, the problem with that is that you have to get your timing right twice.   Ideally, whether it's a Russell 2000 Index Fund or Apple Stock or Ethereum, you want to buy close to a near-term low and then sell close to a near-term high.   That is more difficult to do than it sounds, and it's just one reason that stock, ETF, and mutual fund investors don't build wealth.    One other thing I'll mention as you're trying to patch together your first RE down payment is I-bonds. They currently pay a guaranteed 7%.    The way they work is that the interest rate they pay you is the CPI Inflation rate plus a fixed rate on top of that.   You can get I-bonds at TreasuryDirect.gov   But there is a $10,000 annual limit that you can put into I-bonds.    Another disadvantage is that I bonds can't be purchased and held in a traditional or Roth IRA, Mitrel. The I- bonds have to be held in a taxable account.    But that might work for you in this case, Mitrel, since it's a shorter-term hold, hopefully it's shorter-term anyway, until you've built up your $100K cash to get your RE and get off to the races, hopefully getting paid 5 ways.   Another disadvantage of I bonds is there is an interest penalty if they're redeemed for cash in the first five years. They knock off 3 months of your earned interest.   I hope that you found at last one insight on those options that helps you out, Mitrel.  ________________   The next question comes from Kevin. He asked this one quite a while ago.   [Listener question played]   3) What are the forward-looking indicators to select MSAs? He typically looks at population growth and employment.    That is a rather astute question, Kevin. Yes, you're looking at some of the right measures for the tide that floats a RE market up.    First, we want to think about landlord-friendly states. Yes, the MW & South has a preponderance of them. But there are some outliers. You'll also find pretty favorable eviction processes for LLs in PA, TX and AZ.   When it comes to forward-looking RE indicators and their sources, first, let me give you two resources that most everyone knows about, then we'll drill deeper.  The NAR publishes forecasts for home sales, prices, and other market trends. Their reports give you future RE market insight at both the national and local level. Zillow offers forecasts too on the housing market, including home values, rents, and other market indicators. Now, one indicator and one place that a lot of people don't know where to look, Kevin, is your ability to discover upcoming government infrastructure programs. Think about learning where the next new highway intersection or highway interchange will be built. Or perhaps it's a new seaport expansion project or a new bridge that is going to be built in 5 years. There are a lot of places where you can find out that information ahead of time, and unlike stock investing, it's completely legal - totally alright - to learn about this ahead of time.  Get a heads up on where the next bridge is going to be built and how that can make nearby property values rise - that's not considered illegal insider information. You can check the websites of government agencies responsible for upcoming infrastructure development in your target state or region.  That area's, say, Department Of Transportation makes this public so that contractors can engage in the bidding process for major infrastructure projects. These are known as government PROCUREMENT websites. For example, in Illinois, that's under an Illinois.gov website. Those sources can be kinda wonky & dry, but putting in the work over there can help you see the future. Now, major news outlets, and just regular, old school, legacy media television channels like good ol' WPHL in Philadelphia or KMSP Minneapolis or anywhere, they often report on upcoming projects and government initiatives, like an airport expansion. Now, if you happen to LIVE in an investor-advantaged area, Kevin, well and you do, Dayton, Ohio. Joining an “in real life” industry association that focuses on infrastructure development can really give you direction & foresight and you'll grow your network too. That'll give you access to upcoming projects - as will attending public meetings like town hall meetings. And then finally, the US Census Bureau and other sources make all kinds of population projections. That helps you see the future.    And hey, you might as well use the Census' resources since your tax dollars are paying for it.   And those industry associations and public meetings often use & apply those population projections to upcoming major projects.   So, there's more, but that's a good bit there. I hope that helps you, Kevin.    Today, I am bringing you the show from Anchorage, Alaska.   Next week, it'll be from Las Vegas, Nevada.   And in two weeks, I'll be bringing you the show from Phoenix, Arizona.   So, Anchorage, Las Vegas, and Phoenix. That is the largest city in the 49th, 36th, and 48th states admitted to the union respectively.    Only a remorseless geography nerd like me would break it down that way, wouldn't I?   Yes, we'll be constructing makeshift, mobile GRE recording studios coming up.   If you've got a question that you'd like me to answer, go to GetRichEducation.com/Contact. That's where you can either write a message, or leave a voice message listener question - like Kevin did.   I answer more of your listener questions next. I'm KW. You're listening to Episode 445 of Get Rich Education. ____________   Welcome back to Get Rich Education. I'm your host, Keith Weinhold, grateful to have you here.   Before we return to your listener questions… thanks to this week's sponsors. They support us so, please, consider supporting them.   That is Ridge Lending Group. Consider YOUR next mortgage loan for income property there and see the difference that a lender that works specifically with investors like you… can make.    They serve almost all 50 states. That's President Caeli Ridge & all the good-looking people over there at RidgeLendingGroup.com   Then there's JWB Real Estate Capital. Income property specialists that provide you with the actual investor-advantaged real estate that you can buy in bustling, fast-growing Jacksonville.  That's all-around good guy Gregg Cohen & the team at JWB. They always have good hair days over there.    They really make it easy for you. Find your next cash flow property at JWBRealEstate.com/GRE   Finally, there's Mid South Home Buyers, providing you some of the best rent ratios in the entire South in Memphis and Little Rock.    They've got the service that you've been raving about for years now.    That's Terry Kerr, Liz Brody and all the fine peeps over there at MidSouth that shake your hand, look you in the eye, have a symmetrical smile, and even regularly recite your first name mid-sentence for ya. (Ha!)   Get started at MidSouthHomeBuyers.com   I have been inside the physical offices of all 3 of those sponsors that I just mentioned.   If your company is interested in advertising on GRE, let us know. We'd like to check you out first. Just like listener questions, you can also indicate that on the same page. Let us know at GetRichEducation.com/Contact You'll see the “Advertising Inquiry” area there.   Conner asked me a question. “Keith, absolutely love your videos. I live in expensive Southern California (Orange County). Would you recommend my first property be a primary that I house hack or invest in an out-of-state rental?” Thanks, Connor.   OK, Connor. Well, there's a lot to consider.   Let's look at the Socal househack.   As you're surely already aware, real estate prices and tax rates are both very high in California.    California also has a Tenant Protection Act enacted in 2019 that puts strict eviction laws into place. You might have rent control there too.   Now, as a SoCal househacker, that could, of course, take the form of buying one big SFH where you live in one of the rooms and rent out the other rooms.   The younger you are, the more likely it is that you're tolerant of living with roommates. If you want to stay alone or with your spouse or whatever & want privacy, then you'll househack a duplex, triplex, or fourplex.   Any one of those, SFH up to 4-plex, you can use an FHA loan on and pay just 3.5% down, or VA loan if you have VA benefits and pay 0% down. With either of those low down payment programs, you must live ON-SITE, usually for at least a year.   FHA recently approved 40-year mortgage loans and they will roll out next month. Yes!   In Orange County, CA, with really high prices, it might take a fixer-upper type home to make it affordable. If you aren't handy, that's a disadvantage on the house hack.   Socal is simply one of the most DISadvantaged places in the nation for long-term rental property, though there are still ways to make it work.   Then, if you go out of state, you can make it really passive. It won't be a more active business like it would there for ya in Orange County.   Now, the downside of buying an out-of-state rental, like through GRE Marketplace, is that it's going to take a 20 to 25% down payment.   But you can still find respectable properties in safe neighborhoods, in say, Memphis for as little as $100K to $120K. That means you might not have to come out of pocket for much more than you would a SoCal rental with it's lower PERCENT down payment.   And, of course, the big advantages of the out-of-state rental are low purchase prices, high rents, advantageous LL-tenant law, your property is already renovated or brand new, and it is turnkey PMed if you so choose.   That's exactly why a lot of people are choosing out-of-state properties at GREMarketplace.    Those are some of the major trade-offs, Connor. Thanks for the question.   The next question comes from Jesse in Reno, Nevada.   “With high inflation for two years and cyclical trends entrenched, more nations making foreign trade deals outside of the dollar, and the Treasury printing dollars like mad, I cannot believe the price for a shopping cart full of groceries at Safeway any more. Are we headed for a hyperinflationary period within the next decade?”   Well, that's an interesting question, Jesse. Inflation is an awful malady that disproportionately affects the lower classes more than the upper classes.   But do I believe that there's any significant chance of hyperinflation in the next decade, Jesse? Let me answer that.   Now, first of all, a lot of people - not necessarily you, Jesse - but a lot of people throw around the term “hyperinflation” without really knowing what it means at all.    A consensus of economists define HYPERinflation as an inflation rate of 50% or more every month. Yes, month.    With compounding, that would be inflation of more than 600% per year, not the… closer to 6% CPI inflation that we've had lately.   We could very well have longer-term waves of RECURRING inflation.   In America, our debt-to-GDP ratio is high. It's about 120% right now. Back in 1990, it was just 55%.   Now our debt-to-GDP ratio also hit 120% back in the 1940s, but that was as a result of us having to pay for WWII. And the productivity of the 1950s quickly brought the ratio down.   Here's the problem. Today's 120% is not due to war; it's due to all these politicians' various accumulated promises over time.    That includes CONTINUOUS military spending.   And you know, historically, every fiat currency ends with the END of that currency. Every single one goes to die. The British pound is the world's OLDEST currency in use today.   But to get hyperinflation, it generally takes two key factors:   First, a nation needs to have debts denominated in a currency that that nation can't print.    Now, for emerging markets, its often dollar-based debt that they have and those nations can't print dollars.    100 years ago, Weimar Germany had gold-based war reparations. That was their problem.    You cannot print gold, so they printed MASSIVE amounts of their currency. In more modern times, Venezuela and Zimbabwe experienced hyperinflation.   The second key reason hyperinflation occurs is when there's no foreign demand for your currency… so you hyperinflate it.   So, to create hyperinflation, it takes a tremendous amount of printing… plus no demand for that currency.    The US still has foreign demand for our dollar and there's a lot of debt denominated in the dollar globally. That represents demand for it.   Since the US can print its own currency, we're not very likely to default on our total of $32T debt at all.    We're motivated to let inflation keep running, at whatever fluctuating rate, Jesse.   So to answer your question, Jesse, no. No hyperinflation in the US in the next decade.   And as far as the prolonged elevated inflation that we're having, as a listener, I think you know how to beat that by now. Own real assets.  If you own a house, have a 30-year mortgage. Don't have it “paid off”. You need a mortgage to benefit most. Thanks for the question, Jesse.   Our last question comes from Zack in Claremore, Oklahoma. Zack asks:   Keith, is there such a thing as being “OVER leveraged?” Would you finance everything you can as long as you can create arbitrage?   Great question, Zack. The short answer is, “Yes, I would. I would finance everything up as much as I could without being overleveraged.”   Now, what “overleveraged” means IN GENERAL - out in the larger business world is that you've borrowed too much money in relation to your ability to pay it back.   In real estate, being overleveraged means that you take on so much debt that you can't make your monthly payments on your principal, interest, and operating expenses.   As long as my properties are cash flow positive, even by a little margin, I have found no limit as to how much I would finance, Zack.   Let me use an example. Say that you buy a rental duplex with $4,000 of monthly rent income. Your mortgage and all of your long-term operating expenses are $5,000, leaving you with a NEGATIVE cash flow hole of $1,000 every month.    A $1,000 per month hole is a $12,000 each year hole that you've dug.    If you're financially precarious elsewhere, that can be a difficult hole to fill in and you could descend into delinquency when you miss your first payment, then deeper into foreclosure when you're several months behind, then the bank takes over your property.    You lose your property, lose your credit score, and lose the ability to get new loans for years. You were overleveraged.   You've borrowed too much money in relation to your ability to pay it back since your rent income was $4,000 and expenses were $5,000.   Well, when you buy right, that's not likely to happen. First of all, your mortgage loan underwriter is going to check that you have enough income and enough reserves to meet their qualification standards before you can get the mortgage in the first place.    That's a check against becoming overleveraged, yet things could still go wrong.   For one thing, with FHA loans, your debt-to-income ratio can be an eye-popping maximum of 57% and you can still qualify for the loan.   But you're usually going to be buying your out-of-state rental property with a CONVENTIONAL loan.   Now, INSTEAD of becoming overleveraged, you would buy in the opposite scenario, projecting positive cash flow from day one.   On your duplex instead, if you had just $4,200 of rent income and $4,000 of expenses, you've got just $200 of cash flow, but that is a cushion.   And like I've described on previous episodes, historically your rent income rises faster than your expenses since your mortgage P & I payment stays fixed.   That's why, over time, you often widen that delta from +$200 cash flow so that it just keeps widening to a greater & greater cushion.   So, to review, you're unlikely to find yourself overleveraged if your income exceeds your expenses on day 1, when you have predominantly FIXED RATE LOANS…   … and then another measure of protection is when you own properties in multiple job growth markets - in multiple STATES even - you're better protected against any changes in the law or regulations or changes in that region's economy or even any detrimental disruption to your PM in each of your chosen investment areas.   I dislike overleverage. But I do like HIGH leverage. Because leverage makes compound interest feel really slow.    It is best to FINANCE your properties, even though mortgage rates aren't as low as they were two years ago.    Look at it this way. With 20% down, you could buy five financed properties instead of one all-cash. Over time, five properties appreciating will build you more wealth than one appreciating.   If the properties don't cash flow with 20% down, then get three with 33% down on each. That'll accelerate your wealth-building & help you control the mortgage.   Then… if rates go down, you can still refinance. If rates don't go down, you'll be glad that you bought multiple properties instead of one.   Thanks for the question, Zack.   I hope you enjoyed listener questions today. I hadn't done them for a while. If you did, please, go ahead and tell a friend about the show.   Also, if you've ever wanted to tell me what you think about the show… there's a great way for you to do that & I will see it and read it myself.    You know, I recently learned that in Apple Podcasts Germany, we only have 3 podcast reviews in that entire nation on that platform.    And that prompted me to ask you - whatever nation you're in, to please, you don't have to, but if you'd be so kind, leave a podcast review.    When you do that, it not only helps our show reach more people, but, I do actually read your review of the show, so I get that feedback.   So if you like what I'm doing here, I'd be grateful if you went ahead, and whatever your podcast platform is…   …Google “how to leave an Apple podcasts review” or “how to leave a Spotify review” and go ahead an do that - leave a rating & review for the Get Rich Education podcast and I'd be grateful.    I hope you found one or more listener questions today that really relate to you or your interests, or YOUR unlimited wealth-building potential. Thanks in advance for telling a friend about the show, and for your rating & review.   Until next week, I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. Don't Quit Your Daydream.  

Get Rich Education
442: How Inflation Stole Your Time, Florida New-Build Incentives

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 27, 2023 49:28


Get started with new-build Florida duplexes, triplexes, and quads right here.  Conventional personal finance says that you should be able to put in your time, effort, and energy when you're young. When you're older, you can live a great life knocking back drinks served in coconuts. That's being severely threatened. Throughout history, some humans have perpetrated malicious time theft on other humans. Murder and slavery are extreme versions. You're likely the victim of more subtle versions. If you're working at a job, then you're selling your time, effort, and energy into the marketplace. The proxy (currency) that you're receiving in exchange for the finite resources that you expended tangibly represents what you've sacrificed. With dollar inflation blatantly debasing your currency from beneath you, your human life capital is being stolen. Invest in what's scarce and take real world resources to produce—real estate, gold bitcoin. Avoid what's abundant and easy to produce—dollars and stocks. I play an audio clip of Fed Chair Jerome Powell's attack from Elizabeth Warren on raising interest rates. Last week, the Fed hiked rates for the 9th straight time. A Florida builder of rent-to-own properties joins me - SFRs in the mid-$250Ks up to fourplexes. Their build times have been reduced. They're still paying a higher price for concrete. They're building smaller, entry-level rental properties that you can buy and have them manage. The builder currently provides income property in: 7 southwest Florida markets, Jacksonville, Ocala, Palm Coast, Inverness, and Citrus Springs. Square footages are falling. Their site selection and stringent building codes are hurricane-resistant. Until at least April 15th, 2023, they're offering investor buyers 2% of the purchase price at closing (buy down your rate to ~5.75% today) and two years of free PM. Get started here. Our in-house Investment Coach, Naresh, can help get you started. At times, he is paid a referral fee. This is in order to keep it free for you. Resources mentioned: Show Notes: www.GetRichEducation.com/442 Get started with new-build Florida duplexes,  triplexes, and quads right here.  Fed Chair Powell vs. Senator Warren video: https://youtu.be/Y-IK0xdcRW4 Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Memphis & Little Rock property that  cash flows from Day One: www.MidSouthHomeBuyers.com Find cash-flowing Jacksonville property at: www.JWBrealestate.com/GRE Will you please leave a review for the show? I'd be grateful. Search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review”  Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free—text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Partial transcript:   Welcome to GRE! I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. Inflation is not only stealing your prosperity - it's worse than you think… IT'S even stealing your time.    I've got some new perspective on how you can stop that from happening. Then, a fresh opportunity for incentives on path-of-progress income property in a great market. Today, on Get Rich Education.    Welcome to GRE! From State College, PA to College Station, TX and across 188 nations worldwide, the VOICE of real estate investing since 2014. I'm Keith Weinhold and this is Get Rich Education.    Inflation is a TIME thief. It's stealing your time.   You know, here's the problem. CW says that you should be able to put in your time, effort and energy when you're young and live a great life when you're older - maybe even live the life of your dreams someday.   But postponing things until a nebulous someday isn't actually so great - and even THAT is being seriously threatened for you.   Look, throughout history, some human beings have perpetrated time theft on other human beings.    Now, extreme versions of time theft are murder and slavery. YEAH, that's stealing your time.   But you're likely the victim of more SUBTLE versions of time theft. If you're working at a job and you're selling your time, energy and effort into the marketplace…   Then the proxy - the money - that you're receiving back for your human life expended - that money tangibly represents the time that you gave up.   That irreplaceable, unreplenishable highest order resource of time, that you gave away.   Well, with dollar inflation blatantly debasing your money away from beneath you, your human life capital is being stolen. This is evil.   Now, look. “Good money” is something that doesn't degrade over time. Let's look at this historically together & then I'll bring it up to the present day for you.   Centuries ago, Europeans landed in west Africa. First, it was the Portuguese in the 1400s. The Europeans found that west Africans use beads for money.   Well, Europeans soon found that the beads are really cheap to produce in Europe but expensive to produce in Africa.   Well soon, they brought enormous quantities of beads into Africa and they purchased EVERYTHING valuable there.   There was NO WAY for beads to remain as money in Africa, no matter what the feelings of the bead holders were.   Anyone that kept insisting to use the beads as money completely lost their purchasing power. In effect, the beads ceased functioning as money.   Does that sound like any currency that you're familiar with - any dollars or euros that you've got in your wallet today? Are you drawing any parallels here?   Now, rather than beads, gold became a popular currency for millennia - because gold is beautiful, durable, and it's expensive to mine & produce across cultures - and it still is.    But as we reached modernity and we're no longer in a world where everyone lives within 25 miles of where they grew up, gold fell out of favor as a currency - though it's still a good STORE of value. Now you transact interstate and internationally more often.    Jet travel became common. Paper money allowed you to more easily move your value across space.   Today, you can electronically move dollars across space faster. But you can't move dollars or really any sovereign currency very well across TIME… and that's because of INFLATION.   Compared to 100 years ago, today's dollar has about 3% of it's value from a century ago.   So if you held dollars under a mattress for 100 years, you've lost the vast majority of your wealth.   If you held dollars under a mattress for 10 years, you've lost substantial wealth.   Lately, if you held your dollars under a mattress for 3 years, you've lost substantial wealth - or even if you held them in a CD or what they call a high-yield savings account.   What makes a good money is a good proxy for human time. You've got to be sure that your money doesn't degrade over time & that you can store it and use it.   You need your medium of exchange in order to track your expended time.   When we talk about perpetrating time theft, your government - whatever nation you live in - they can push a button, print billions or trillions more in currency to pay for social programs and pay for infrastructure programs or another stimulus package or QE or to send dollars & weapons to Ukraine, and the Fed buys trillions in treasury securities and mortgage-backed securities, the $2.2 trillion CARES Act.    All those processes are inflationary. All this currency creation dilutes the currency that YOU hold.   That's why that $20 bill that's in your wallet right now was worth a tiny bit more yesterday than it is today.   And if your $20 bill stays in your wallet overnight tonight, it's going to be worth a little bit less tomorrow.   What the easiest way to pay for a new $1.2 trillion government program? Just print $1.2 trillion dollars. They keep doing it. It's why America has $32T in debt today.   Well, what often happens when your government pushes buttons to electronically create tons of dollars or pounds or euros or real or yen? More dollars get circulating.   You and the money that you have traded your precious life time for - you just got diluted.   A dollar is a low fidelity way for you to store your finite time and your finite life effort.   You might pledge allegiance by creating value for others in the workplace everyday.   But don't pledge allegiance to the dollar. Your fealty should be toward accepting your INCOME in dollars but then, quickly getting out of them.   Are you upset? You should be totally upset. Every single day, pieces of your life, energy, and ambition are being stolen away from you. That's immoral.   Now you're being forced into investing. That's what happens to people that are conscious of dollar dilution and how insidious, and persistent and severe and surreptitious it all is.    Now you need to go chase wealth preservation… with a sense of urgency! You're being pushed out on the risk curve.   The S&P 500 is not the answer. With say, a 10% return over time, subtract out 5% inflation, subtract out emotion, volatility, subtract out taxes, subtract out fees, and your real return is less than zero in stocks.   See, dollars and stocks can be easily created and diluted. They can just print more - debasing what you've already got there.   Conversely, real estate, gold, and bitcoin cannot be easily created or diluted. All three take proof of work. All three take real world resources to create - real estate, gold, and bitcoin.    If you're not familiar with bitcoin, it takes mining hardware, software, and electricity to create it - real world resources, and there will only ever be 21 million bitcoin.   Alright, so what can we learn from this? Unlike west African beads in the 1400s and 1500s which could be diluted and unlike dollars and stocks today which can be easily diluted, real estate, gold, and bitcoin cannot.   Gold is really just a wealth preservation instrument, only tracking inflation. It's not proven to be accretive or additive to your wealth.   Bitcoin has some promise. But it's still a nascent technology. It's only been around 15 years. I like it but there's still a lot of questions about it.   You've got to find a way to stop the time theft! What are you gonna do?   If you aren't upset enough about it, think about how the theft of your time through currency inflation took away more life experiences with loved ones that you could have.    You could spend more of your one finite life on this earth with your mother, father, spouse, kids, church, hobbies, on the boat, at the lake, whitewater rafting, playing pickleball anything.   Certainly be offended and even a little outraged at the surreptitious time theft through inflation.   This is why… we are… real estate investors - and we get loans for property that produces income.    Now, you aren't just HEDGING inflation. You're profiting from it. With income property, you're performing something ADDITIVE TO YOUR life time.   That's the Inflation Triple Crown. The asset holds it's own with price inflation. Your debt is being debased by inflation & paid back by the tenant… and thirdly, your income - that property cash flow outpaces inflation because the biggest payment - the mortgage principal & interest, stays fixed & inflation makes it easier to pay back as more & more dollars keep coming into circulation as over the years & decades, everything spirals higher - prices of all types, wages, salaries, expenses, taxes, everything.   This all penalizes the saver and favors the debtor. Be a strategic debtor with real estate. Win the Inflation Triple Crown. Win your time back - and then profit on top of that.   Now you know that inflation is stealing not just your prosperity… but your time… and now you know what you can do about it.    Most people don't do anything about it. You have got to. It would have sounded like a bit of an exaggeration until you heard my explanation today - but you're actually saving your own life.   Well, inflation, interest rates, and employment have been huge issues in the economy for about two years now.   Jerome Powell & the Fed began raising interest rates to control inflation a little over a year ago.   Let's listen in on how heated and contentious this is all getting, compounded by bank failures.    This is about 4 minutes long, and then I'll be right back. Listen to this confrontation.   This really summarizes the crux and intersection of a lot of these issues. It's Fed Chair Jerome Powell testifying in front of the Senate Banking Committee's Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts. It's a real clash over inflation:   [Play Powell-Warren clip]   Yeah, there we go. Elizabeth Warren would rather keep more people employed and have inflation spread across everyone rather than the other way around.   I think that the important lesson for you is that, inflation is going to keep happening. That's a really safe bet, whether the level is the 2% Fed target or the 6% CPI that we've had lately.   Invest in what's scarce and avoid investing in what's abundant and multiplying.   Invest in what's scarce and takes real-world resources to produce - that is predominantly real estate, maybe with a touch of gold or bitcoin.    Avoid what can be easily printed and diluted - dollars and stock shares.   What are homebuilders seeing today, is builder sentiment up off the bottom, and how is rental demand now that we're deeper into 2023?    Let's talk to our builder-provider guests about that. They have a strong incentive to offer you, the GRE listener. They are still building new construction rental homes in the mid-200s price point in Florida.   Let's get caught up on builder sentiment and look for opportunity in in-migration hotbed Florida. _________________   Yeah, can you tell that they know what investors need? If you think that it sounds like the right “Real Estate Pays 5 Ways” opportunity for you amidst high inflation, I've got some more good news for you.   After our southeastern US provider was on the show here, I spoke with them again, and they've extended those generous incentives for your 2% closing cost incentive & 2 years of free PM until April 15th of 2023.   So you do have to act soon. Will it be extended beyond April 15th? We'll see. You could ask, but they've been pretty generous already.   And also, this is an opportunity to work with our free, in-house Investment Coach, Naresh here at GRE to easily walk you through getting started with finding just which Florida market might be write for you, helping your write up the purchase contract, inspection, appraisal and all of that.    Now, you might have been an income property buyer that's worked with Naresh already and maybe you feel a little bad that he's spending his time helping you for free, well, you shouldn't.   I have endeavored to really reduce the friction for you by always finding a way to make things free and helping you add more rental property to your portfolio and in the spirit of creating less friction for you, often, though not always, the property provider helps Naresh with recompense in the form of a referral fee.   So, Naresh does volunteer some of his time and resources for you, but he often is made whole that way, keeping it free for you.   So, we are really making it easy for you here with low property prices, strong builder incentives and free investment coaching.   Your opportunity to get the new-build, durable Florida product with management & incentives & free coaching. If it were any easier, someone would even make your down payment for you.   Well, no one's going quite that far here.   If it sounds interesting to you, this is the window of opportunity. You can get started at GREmarketplace.com/Southeast.   Until next week, I'm Keith Weinhold. Don't Quit Your Daydream!  

The Journey
Season 3 Ep. 8 • Don't Quit Your Daydream

The Journey

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 3, 2023 49:58


Gina, Taylor, and Bailey sit down to discuss the exciting events coming up, a big anniversary, and continuing dreams and plans about the expansion. And as always, they're here to give you business news, wellness and organization tips, and of course random facts to make you cooler at a party.

Built to be YOU
[PEP TALK] Don't quit your DAYDREAM

Built to be YOU

Play Episode Play 59 sec Highlight Listen Later Feb 28, 2023 21:41


I am here to hype you up friend! In case you're new here, I am a part-time Run Coach and that business truly lights me up. We are coming off of our very first athlete retreat which is what helped inspire this week's podcast episode.Right now life feels really aligned for me, but it hasn't always been that way, and if you are in a season that feels uncomfortable I challenge you to be present and lean into this episode. Know that this way of life is for the woman that is willing to go through the ebbs and flows and continue chasing her dreams.Our big dreams come with a lot of inner work and a next-level version of ourselves, but we first have to allow ourselves to dream the BIG dream! What do you want to accomplish? Sit with that dream and really absorb it!Leading up to the retreat we just had there was so much work and specificity that went into it. We allowed ourselves to feel and visualize exactly what we wanted it to be like. In the end, it exceeded all our expectations!I encourage you to find your tribe of people that lift you up and support your dreams, and also help push you to the next level. Not everyone will understand, but it's not your job to make them understand. It's your job to show up and do the hard things to get to your next level!   I want to ask you, when is the last time you've looked around and taken the time to recognize all that you've already accomplished? You are on your way to your next big dream my friend, but don't forget to celebrate how far you've already come.Slate Milk: Use code Michaela10Song: "Day Dream" by Lily Meola

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Get Rich Education
437: NYC Real Estate is Absurd

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 20, 2023 50:32


New York City real estate has distinctions and quirks that you'll find almost nowhere else in the world. Is it unreal estate? This includes: super skyscrapers, air rights, apartments with doormen, co-ops, pencil buildings, and rent control. Can you actually make money in NYC real estate? Incredibly, the national or world capital of all these are in NYC: banking, finance, communication, advertising, law, accountancy, fashion, arts, architecture, media, and more. 1 in 18 Americans live in the NYC metro area. The population is growing.  Guest Beth Clifford joins us.  She has an impressive set of experiences, including on Wall Street, with startups, and as an international real estate developer. Beth is a former NYC resident. Beth describes: how “air rights” are really development rights, pencil buildings, which apartments have doormen, and more. There's a short-term rental arbitrage strategy in NYC where you could make money. But is it legal?  Join Thursday, Feb. 23rd's GRE Live Event for Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Baltimore properties. Ask me questions live. It's free. Register now at: GREwebinars.com. Resources mentioned: Show Notes: www.GetRichEducation.com/437 Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Memphis property that cash flows from Day 1: www.MidSouthHomeBuyers.com Find cash-flowing Jacksonville property at: www.JWBrealestate.com/GRE Book recommendation: Economics in One Lesson Find NYC apartments: StreetEasy.com I'd be grateful if you search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review” and do this for the show. Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free—text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Welcome to GRE! I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. New York City real estate is just absurd. It's also really interesting and has distinctions and quirks that you'll find almost nowhere else in the world.    We're talking about air rights, skyscrapers, apartments with doormen, co-ops, rent control, and how do you actually make money in NYC real estate? Today, on Get Rich Education.   Welcome to GRE! From Jamaica, Queens to Lower Manhattan. Across New York City and 188 world nations, this is Get Rich Education. I'm your host, Keith Weinhold.   As we're talking about NYC real estate today, I think it can be regarded as exotic and Manhattan is the CENTER of American urban excitement from Times Square to the Statue of Liberty to the address “One World Trade Center” and more.    It wasn't always this way.   As the story goes, in 1626 - about 400 years ago - Indigenous inhabitants sold off the entire island of Manhattan to the Dutch for a tiny sum: just $24 worth of beads and "trinkets."   At that time, it wasn't known as New York. It was called “New Amsterdam”.    Today, NYC is the national or the WORLD capital of: banking, finance, communication, advertising, law, accountancy, fashion, arts, architecture, media, and more.   How could so much be in one place? Well, all this attracts a lot of people.   In fact, the NYC metro area population last year was almost 19 million, that's up just about one-quarter of 1% from the previous year. So COVID hasn't killed it.   This means that more than 1 in 18 Americans live in the NYC Metro.   Now, of the 5 boroughs, we're really focusing on Manhattan today, since that's where space is at a premium, hence that's why the tall skyscrapers are there.   In fact, I have counted 17 skyscrapers that are all more than 1,000 feet tall - that's almost one-fifth of a mile tall.   Now, Manhattan is crammed with such high density - and it isn't just commercial space. Of course, residents live on Manhattan too.   But it is so crammed for space in Manhattan - and even in places of the four outlying boroughs, that it can kind of obscure your vision such that you don't have the - I guess - wherewithal that you would elsewhere.   Here's what I mean. Just last month I met a guy that has lived all of his life in NYC - part of his life in Brooklyn and part of his life in the Bronx.   He did not realize that when he lived in Brooklyn, he was living on an island. I don't know how long he lived in Brooklyn, but I found a gentle way to tell him, without making him feel unintelligent - that yes, Brooklyn and Queens are both on LI.   That's why you have all those bridges in NYC, like Brooklyn Bridge. They connect the islands.   Now, when it comes to rental property there, New York State has had the longest history of rent control in the United States, since 1943. The majority of those units are in NYC.   I have never seen one piece of evidence that rent control works long-term. If you have, please share that resource with us at GetRichEducation.com/Contact   When you put a ceiling on the amount of rent that can be charged like this, what tends to happen is that landlords have zero incentive to improve the property when they can't charge more rent… or else soon, LLs would be losing money.   In many cases, soon properties and entire areas can become dilapidated because they haven't been improved, and in bad cases, tenants don't want to move out. They'd like to keep the cheap rent even if they need to tolerate increasingly squalid conditions in these neglected properties.   A classic economics book really outlines the rent control problem wonderfully. Though the author isn't that well-known, Henry Hazlitt's “Economics in One Lesson” really breaks down the problems with rent control terrifically.   That entire book basically outlines how programs like rent control only benefit a small group of people for a short period of time… like, oh, let's give these people a break & be nice so that they can afford to pay the rent.   At the same time, you're NOT playing nice to the property owner. And how benefits to a small group of people in the short-term harms everybody long-term. Many will tell you that's the case with… rent control.   Shortly, I'll talk with an experienced developer, knowledgable about NYC development, she also used to live in NYC.   Wait until you discover some of the complexities of getting things build there. I expect her to share that.   She'll tell us about things that you would never think of, like how… whether or not there are windows on the side of the a building indicates whether or not there's a development opportunity there.   I'll have her describe what “Air rights” are. Property “air rights” are not what you think they are. You'll need to listen closely to that part as I expect explaining “air rights” involves somet math.   You'll learn about what “skinny skyscrapers” are and why they don't they build those wider.   NYC has coops - cooperatives. They're different from a condo. In a co-op, you buy shares in a corporation that gives you certain occupancy rights.    So rather than having fee simple title, you're the shareholder of a corporation rather than having a title like you do with condos.    And you've got to give the co-op board your income & taxes… because the corp wants to be sure you'll be able to pay. And if the co-op board doesn't like you dog or like you for whatever other reason, maybe they won't let you join.   If you're perusing apartments to rent in NYC - esp. Manhattan - some have a doorman and some don't have a doorman. Why might it be desirable to have a doorman, when that's not even offering in a place like, say Minneapolis or Houston?   I'll ask our guest, “Is there any way you can make some real estate cash flow here.”   So, I'm often the one doing the teaching here on the show. But in just a few minutes, I expect to get some learning myself as we discuss the unique and unusual nuances of NYC real estate.   First, how long have you been listening to the GRE Podcast?   Well, that was a recent question in our Instagram Poll.    Now, the sample size wasn't that huge and the our average Instagram follower might be a more avid podcast fan that the average.   But with the question asked, “How long have you been listening to the GRE Podcast?” The results were:         Under 1 Year = 11% of respondents have been listening for that length of time.       1-3 Years = 32% of you        3+ Years = 43% of you have been listening for that length of time.        And EVERY SINGLE episode since 2014, yes, that is all 437 episodes. That comprises 14% of you.   So that's about 1 in 7 listeners - at least in this poll - have listened to every single show. I'm really grateful for that. To shout out a sampling of those that have listened to every episode, that includes Kirby, Jacob, and Stacio.   I'm deeply grateful for that. I still of new people that find the show here today & then want to go back and listen to every single episode.   That is humbling indeed.    NYC Real Estate is absurd. That's next. I'm Keith Weinhold. This is Get Rich Education. ______________   Yeah, great stuff from Beth there… and hey, a good investment to the global elite might be different than what you perceive as a good investment.   If you've got $250M to place and you don't need the cash flow, you just want RE for the proven inflation hedge that it is, then drop it all into a Manhattan skinny skyscraper and leave it vacant. Some people can afford to do that. It was good to learn that the term “air rights” is misleading. It's really about “development rights”. That's probably a better way to remember it. Now, when it comes to real estate in the northeast, Boston, NYC, and Washington DC real estate and their outlying areas really aren't known as what we'd call “cash flow” markets. But three other cities in the region are - Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and Baltimore. Our Mid-Atlantic provider even sees properties where the price is around 100 months' rent. Yes, the property price is just 100X the monthly rent amount. That is impressive. That means that with just a 20% down payment, you can expect your monthly rent income to often exceed all the monthly expenses, even your mortgage payment. Well, I'm going to discuss this at a live event on Thursday night, just 3 days from now. That is Thursday, February 23rd at 9 PM Eastern, 5 PM Pacific. Yes, this live event is your opportunity to ask us questions live, and that it will be the first time ever that our in-house Investment Coach, Naresh, & I are both there, together, to help you, along with the provider in these mid-Atlantic markets. Again, it will be in just three days, Thursday, February 23rd at 9:00 PM Eastern. It is completely free. Sign up now at GREwebinars.com The nation's capitol, Washington DC, has a strong influence beyond the Mid-Atlantic region. The Baltimore metro area is slowly merging with the DC metro. Droves of Americans work in DC and live in Baltimore. It's a short commute and offers more space and affordability.   And then, with Pennsylvania being my home state, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh and have similar advantages. We're talking about… Diverse economies Advantageous geographies Reasonable cost of living And substantially more landlord-friendly to you than NYC   Yes, GRE is hosting a live show on these markets. And typically on these action-oriented live events, we have a few real property addresses of freshly-rehabbed properties with tenants already placed, PM already in-place if you so choose and more. We'll make it real with real, actual addresses. You could reserve a few if you so choose.   Tune and don't miss: The Professional Turnkey Provider Introduction We'll have market talk on Philly, Baltimore, and Pittsburgh And look at that active inventory. Hey, special thanks to the extraordinary knowledgeable Beth Clifford today. Now, unless you have $250M to sink into skinny Manhattan skyscrapers, then… I hope & am looking forward to seeing you on Thursday night for some of the best ratios - rental properties with a high rent income in proportion to a low purchase price. Rather than $250M, it'll take as little as $30K for a down payment and closing costs on some of these properties at Thursday's live event. Amidst this continued scarce supply of inventory in America, we've pulled some strings and found a good selection for you in Baltimore, Philly, and Pittsburgh. This GRE live event takes place Thursday February 23rd at 9:00pm ET. I'll see you there. It's free. It's interesting and it promises to be lucrative for you. Sign up now while it's on your mind at GREwebinars.com Until then, I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. Don't Quit Your Daydream.

Get Rich Education
433: Beginner's Guide to Real Estate Investing

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 23, 2023 65:35


Learn the beginner's mistakes to avoid. Is setting up a real estate LLC even worth it? Learn how to build the right credit score for a mortgage loan, including why you actually don't want a score over 800. If a cash flowing property is so great, why would anyone sell it to you? I outline a myriad of reasons. Should you make a lowball offer to a real estate seller? Learn negotiation techniques. Earnest money procedures are covered. The real estate buying process is slow. From the time that you make the offer, it can often take over 30 days to close the deal. Once your offer is accepted, I recommend a professional third party inspection. It can cost you $300 to $500 for a single-family income property up to $1,000 for a fourplex inspection. I cover property appraisals and how they verify the quality of the bank's collateral. Learn how to get a good feel for your property manager and what their duties are.  I discuss the Management Agreement between you and your manager. Be sure to tell your insurance provider that this is a rental property, not your primary residence. A mobile notary meets you at your home, workplace, airport, or even a restaurant in order to complete the paper-and-ink closing process. This wraps up the deal. Get started with income property at: GREmarketplace.com. For free coaching to help get you started, contact our free Investment Coach, Naresh, at: GREmarketplace.com/Coach Resources mentioned: Show Notes: www.GetRichEducation.com/433 Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Analyze your RE portfolio at (use code “GRE” for 10% off): MyPropertyStats.com  Memphis property that cash flows from Day 1: www.MidSouthHomeBuyers.com I'd be grateful if you search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review” and do this for the show. Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free—text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Welcome to GRE! I'm your host Keith Weinhold, here to help BEGINNING Real Estate Investors Today.    The biggest beginner mistakes to avoid, when you make an offer - can you lowball a turnkey provider, and all those buyer steps like LLCs, mortgage pre-approval, inspection, appraisal, and closing. Today, on Get Rich Education. _____________________   Welcome to GRE. From Athens, Greece to Athens, Georgia and across 188 nations worldwide. The voice of REI since 2014.    This is Get Rich Education Podcast episode 433 - and this is your Beginner's Real Estate Investing Audio Guide. Hi, I'm your host Keith Weinhold.   We're talking about how to get into long-term buy & hold RE investing - and that's because it's the most generationally-proven way to build wealth.   First, let's talk about a couple of the biggest mistakes that real estate investors make - it's being invested in only one geographic market. Often, that's the market that they just happen to live in.    There is more risk with being in only one market than most realize, because you're now tied to the fortunes or misfortunes of just one area's economy.   Another substantial, common real estate investor mistake is that they continue to hold onto one - I'll call it - special - property in their portfolio that they usually need to get rid of - but they have either sentimental ties to it - or they just hold onto it for convenience, and do you know what that property is?   I'm actually talking about a specific property here.   It's the home that YOU YOU USED TO LIVE IN yourself. Well, what's wrong with renting out the home that you used to live in yourself?    You might still have the preferable owner-occupied financing locked in on that one - and afterall, that's a better rate than you could get on a non-owner-occupied rental.   The problem is that the property probably doesn't perform BEST as a rental.   But you might be clearing, say $600 per month by using your former primary residence as a rental today.    Look, for you, it's often about the cash flow - and yes, it is about the cash flow.    But there's something even more important than cash flow - that's because nearly any property will cash flow if the loan were paid off.   That's why it's really more specifically about the rent-to-price ratio of a property.   If you're renting out the home that you used to live in, and it wasn't strategically bought as a rental, if your rent-to-price ratio is 0.4%, meaning that for every $100K in value it has, you're only getting $400 of monthly rent income, then you're losing cash flow dollars every year - and every month.   Look, let's give a real life example of the .4% RV ratio. Say that you can get $2,000 rent out of that $500K property that you used to live in.    But instead, three $150K homes bought strategically as rentals can have a combined rent income of $3,000.    So it's either one $500K property at $2,000 of rent income. Or three $150K properties at $3,000 of rent income.    So you're losing $1,000 dollars of cash flow every month - by not buying and owning strategically in markets in the Midwest and South where the properties make sense as a RENTAL on the day that you buy it.   Your primary residence only made sense as a primary residence on the day that you bought it.    Now you can see that the only reason that you still own it, is because you defaulted and “fell” into it. Don't fall into things. Often, you want to be intentional.    You are a better investor when you're intentional rather than emotional.   It's even better for you now. Beyond your $1,000 of additional cash flow with some repositioning, now, with three properties instead of one - now you've also taken care of the first real estate investor mistake that I mentioned.   WITH three rentals rather than one, now you can be diversified across multiple markets.   Two birds are killed with one stone. Now with some re-positioning, you've increased your cash flow by $1,000, AND you're in multiple markets. One property isn't divisible.   And this $1,000 of monthly cash flow example is small. Of course, the differences can be greater than this.   We're talking about real estate investing for beginners today, so let me clearly guide you through step-by-step on just how you go about buying your first property - writing an offer, getting an independent third-party property inspection and vetting your Property Manager which is known as due diligence, then the appraisal, and onto closing and receiving cash flow from the tenant.   As you'll see, much of today's show pertains to any investment property at all.   But we're talking mostly about how to buy what are known as turnkey homes, especially homes outside your home market - as most of the best deals are not found where you live.   Turnkey means three basic things. #1- You buy a property that's either brand new construction or fully renovated. #2- A tenant is placed for you - and you get to approve them. And #3- the property is held under management for you from Day 1 - if you so choose.   Like they say, the best investors live where they want to live, invest where the numbers make sense.   Today's content is primarily geared toward United States real estate investors - but those that live outside the United States will benefit here too. You might want to buy a property in the US.   Here's a question that you might have - “How do I go about setting up an LLC - a Limited Liability Company - to hold my investment property in?”   I'll tell you - I don't think “How do I set up an LLC?” is the best question to ask.   The best question to ask is, “Should I set up an LLC?”    The three main reasons people set up an LLC are for either anonymity, tax purposes, or asset protection.   Now, if you know that you WANT to set up an LLC - I've done four episodes on that topic with Rich Dad Legal Advisor Garrett Sutton.   You can go to GetRichEducation.com, type “Garrett Sutton” in the search bar, and those four episode numbers will appear so that you can listen. He was just on the show with us 9 weeks ago on Episode 424.   But the reason that the question is, “Should I even SET up an LLC?” is because:   Setup of LLCs complicates your life. Maintaining a registered agent, Articles Of Incorporation, having separate accounts, tracking expenses with separate credit cards, paying annual fees for everything - depending on how many LLCs you have and how you structure your life - it can wear you out.   The second reason you should ask yourself, “Should I even set up an LLC?” is because you might not have many assets for a litigant to go after. Retirement accounts have certain protections already. Equity in a property could be low-hanging fruit for a plaintiff attorney if someone gets a judgment against you. But since the Return From Equity is always zero, what would you have much equity in a property anyway?   The third reason you should ask yourself, “Why should I even set up an LLC?” is that frivolous or slip-and-fall type of lawsuits are rare. Not only have I never been a party to one, I've never even heard of any investor friend or associate having one - and I talk to a lot of people. You probably haven't heard of one either.   Now, note that I'm not saying you can't get an LLC or shouldn't get one. I'm saying, prioritize those questions to yourself.   First, it's “Should I get one?”. If that's a definitive “yes”, only THEN ask: “How do I set one up?”   Why do you think you have to? Did some attorney use fear tactics to get you to?   If the result of the LLC's administrative overburden provides a greater reward in the form of asset protection, anonymity, or tax benefit - which is typically a flow-through taxation type anyway, you might then … get an LLC.   So, as a beginning real estate investor, understand that real estate is a credit-based asset - meaning it's usually bought with a loan.   So let's talk about getting your finances in order before you contact a lender or select an income property.   That begins with you having enough cash liquidated for a 20% down payment on the property - add about 4% for closing costs, depending on the state that you're buying your property in - and on the lowest-priced property that's still in a decent area of a low-cost city - which might be a $100,000 property …   24% of that then is about $24,000 that you'll need. You should have some extra on top of that as reserves.    Now, let's look at another part of your finances - your DTI - your debt-to-income ratio. It cannot exceed 43% to 45% - maybe up to 50% in some circumstances.    So if your monthly minimum debt payments - everywhere in your life - housing payment, minimum credit card payments, minimum car payment - if that sum is $5,000 and your gross monthly income is $10,000 - that's a 50% DTI. You can't exceed that.   Of course, before a bank is willing to loan you money, they want to have a reasonable assurance that you aren't weighed down with debt elsewhere because their fear factor goes up that they won't get paid back.   Next, let's talk about your credit score. We dedicated an entire episode to this back in Episode 54. If you can remember back that far, Philip Tirone was here with us and you learned more about credit scores that you probably ever thought you would …   … and he even went on to call the credit scoring system a total scam. He was quite opinionated - it was interesting and eye-opening, but ...   Playing within the scam here - as it might be.    There are many different credit scoring models, but the FICO Score - F-I-C-O - is a respected one that you're probably going to see your mortgage lender use.   It stands for Fair Isaac Company.   Their credit scoring range is 300 - the worst, up to 850. 850 is essentially a perfect score.   Importantly, 740 is the highest score that helps you here.    If you have a 782 or an 836, it doesn't help you qualify for the loan or get you a lower mortgage interest rate or anything else.    740 is where you're optimized.   Now, just a quick overview of FICO credit scoring ...   There are five primary ingredients that make up your credit score. In order of importance, they are your payment history, amounts owed, length of your credit history, new credit, and finally credit mix.  That first one, Payment History, is the most heavily weighted one. It's 35% of your score. As you might expect, the repayment of past debt is a major factor in the calculation of credit scores. It helps determine your future long-term payment behavior. Both revolving credit (i.e. credit cards) and installment loans (i.e. mortgage) are included in payment history calculations.  Although installment loans like mortgages take a bit more precedence over revolving credit - like credit cards.  This is why one of the best ways to improve or maintain a good score is to make consistent, on-time payments. The next way, your Amounts Owed – 30% This category is basically credit utilization or the percentage of available credit being used - or borrowed against. Credit score formulas “see” borrowers who constantly reach or exceed their credit limit as a potential risk. That is why it's a good idea to keep low credit card balances and not overextend your credit utilization ratio. So if you've got just a $1,000 balance on a credit card with a $10,000 credit limit, that's seen as a good ratio. You're staying well within your limits then.  The third FICO credit score ingredient is the Length of your Credit History – 15% This factor is based on the length of time all credit accounts have been open. It also includes the timeframe since an account's most recent transaction.  Newer credit users could have a more difficult time achieving a high score than those who have a long credit history. That's because if you have a longer credit history, FICO has more data on which to base their payment history. The fourth of five FICO ingredients is your “Credit Mix” – Now we're down to an ingredient only comprising 10% of your score. Credit mix just means that it helps your score if you have a combination of credit cards, retail accounts, installment loans, finance company accounts and mortgage loans.  Finally, “New Credit” makes up the last 10% of your FICO score. Don't open too many new credit accounts in a short period of time. That signifies a greater risk to lenders – and that's especially true for you if you're a borrower with a short credit history.  And you sure don't want to open up any new lines of credit, down the road when you're in the qualification process for buying a new property unless you check with your Mortgage Loan officer first. Now, those five factors have been weighted the same for quite a few years.  Knowing what factors make up your FICO® Credit Score can help you qualify for more loans and get better mortgage interest rates. That's the bottom line. This helps you get pre-qualifed or pre-approved with your Mortgage Lender. To get prequalified, you just need to provide some financial information to your mortgage lender, such as your income and the amount of savings and investments you have. Your lender will review this information and tell you how much they can lend you.    After pre-qualification, you can seek the higher-level status and that is getting pre-APPROVAL for credit. Pre-approval is better than pre-qualification.   If you think about it, it makes sense. Qualifying for anything in life is not as good as getting approved for something - I suppose.   Pre-approval involves providing your more detailed financial documents - like W-2 statements, paycheck stubs, bank account statements, and your previous two years tax returns. This way, your lender can VERIFY your financial status and credit.   Now that you're pre-approved with a lender, you can focus on the market and property that you're interested in.   RidgeLendingGroup.com is the mortgage lender that we recommend most often because they SPECIALIZE in income property. They don't have any seasoning requirements.   Seasoning means that the person selling YOU the property needs to have held onto it for a certain length of time - or the lender won't finance the property for you.   While you're in the pre-approval process, you can be learning about a cash-flowing investment market.    You want to pick a geographic metro market that typically has low-cost properties, and high rent incomes in proportion to those low costs.    In fact, the market is more important than the property. Because your income comes from your tenant, and your tenant's income comes from a job.   So you typically don't want to own much property in a town with 12,000 people that's in an outlying area - not part of a greater metro - where 1/3rd of the employment is tied to one tungsten factory or even one semiconductor manufacturer.   Because now, too much of your income stream is tied to just one industry.   If the tungsten industry goes down, so goes your tenant base.   You also don't want to buy slummy property. Those tenants often don't pay the rent. You also don't want to buy much above an area's median-priced home, because the numbers don't work out.   So you want that working class housing that's just below the median price point for the area.   If you're not already confident about that and familiar with the right provider ...    We have information on the right market, with the right provider, with properties - and they're typically in the MidWest and South - at GREmarketplace.com   So read a market report there. That's good, pointed information.   Most investors are interested in a property for the production of cash flow. That's the margin by which your monthly rent income exceeds all monthly expenses.   Rent income minus expenses should be a positive number.   So that's your monthly rent minus VIMTUM. V-I-M-T-U-M.    Vacancy, Insurance, Maintenance, Taxes, Utilities, and Management.   I like easy ways to remember things and VIMTUM is an easy way to remember.   So, you're listening to the Beginner's Real Estate Investing Audio Guide here as a regular episode of the GRE Podcast.   If you're not a beginner & you're still listening, it's either a good review and you might even be learning some new things along the way yourself.    Including, should you ever lowball a turnkey provider and a negotiation approach that I have for that - in a few minutes.    But first, one reasonable beginner question is ...     “Now why would someone would want to sell me a cash-flowing property in the first place?    Why would someone - like a turnkey provider - why would they sell me a good thing that pays them every month that they could continue to hold onto for cash flow?   If a property pays someone every month while they hold onto it - why in the heck would they sell it to me?   OK, some seller out there has a golden goose that lays a golden egg every month, so why in the world would they give me an opportunity to buy the goose?   Well, there are just so many reasons for selling cash-flowing property - yes, a ton of reasons for selling even a young, healthy goose that lays golden eggs every month & is expected to so for years.   Well, a turnkey provider runs out of money too. They can't buy all the properties themselves.    They'd prefer a lump sum payout when they sell this property, because their business model is to go pay all cash for another distressed property that they can fix up.   And if you think that they snatched up the good ones themselves a while ago - yeah, they probably did do some of that.   In fact - I WANT them to have snatched up some good properties from their own market earlier. It shows me that they believe in what they sell. If they didn't buy what they were selling themselves, I'd actually be MORE concerned.   Now, other reasons that the - I guess general public seller might want to sell you a property is ...   One reason is moving. Say that a family in City A owns a few mom-and-pop rental homes that they self-manage and they're moving to City B in another state, they'll often sell their income properties.   Some people want to self-manage their property (often because they never explored their best-and-highest use, but anyway) & if they have to move to City B, they'll sell the property rather than try to find a Property Manager in City A.    Another reason people sell cash-flowing property is that - even if someone is not moving, that person might be tired of the self-management hassle - but yet they don't try professional management - because that person has the DIYer mentality - that soooo common do-it-yourself mindset.   OK, most people just don't take a strategic approach to real estate investing like you are by listening to this.   Other reasons for people selling cash-flowing property are death, marriage, divorce, and all kinds of either joyous or tragic life milestones.   If a husband-and-wife own rental properties but running & managing them was kind of the husband's thing & the husband dies … the wife doesn't know how to run the properties & she's likely to sell rather than hire a Property Manager.   People may sell their cash-flowing property in case of all kinds of emergencies - medical and otherwise - because they may need a quick lump of cash - instead of the steady stream of cash flow over time that just won't work for them in their new situation.   OK, most of those situations involve some sort of external life change for property sellers - a lot of them tragic.   Well - here's a personal one for you...    A few years ago, I sold two cash-flowing apartment buildings at the same time - well, those sales actually closed on consecutive days - so nearly the same time.   Both of those cash-flowing apartment buildings that I sold were 100% occupied with tenants, I had competent management in place, and there were no deferred maintenance issues with the buildings.   You want to know my reason for selling two nice golden apartment gooses that were seasoned and steadily laying some nice golden eggs?   OK...can you guess why?   Alright, fortunately I didn't have any distress or emergency in my life.   ...oh, and also, I wanted to sell them fast too, I couldn't let these two cash-flowing apartment buildings linger on the market for a while. I really wanted to get rid of them.   I had no distress like those situations I mentioned earlier.   So can you guess why I wanted to sell these long-producing golden gooses in a good job growth market that produced nice cash flow, nice golden eggs?   I'll tell you why.   That's because I knew I could 1031 Exchange those two gooses for two even larger gooses. Now I won't get into the 1031 here on a beginner episode.    But I replaced the two smaller apartment buildings with two larger apartment buildings that would produce even larger eggs if I did it with a quick timeline - and I could defer any tax on my profitable gain.    I found - I guess - two very fertile egg producers that were going to produce even more cash flow over time.   So...I think you get the message here. To the buyers of my smaller apartment buildings, I appeared as a very motivated seller of cash-flowing property, even though I had no external stress in my life.    It was due to internal reasons that I wanted to sell...and it's the internal drive to expand my income.    No shrinking thinking here at Get Rich Education. We are growing our means.   Now, when you've found a cash-flowing property that you want to buy, should you make a lowball offer to a turnkey provider? My definition of lowball here, is, a 10% discount.    We'll say, that a provider is offering a property for $120,000 - then you'd make the offer for 10% less, which is $108,000. That's a lowball.   My answer is ...    No. That's not going to work. In almost every instance, that's too much of a discount and it's going to eat their margin too much.    Depending on how it's presented, a seller might even be less motivated to work with you if they get a lowball offer.    This company has a business to run and with a turnkey property, you're typically paying for the convenience. You leveraged their systems of them delivering this product to you that's already renovated, rehabilitated, tenanted, and under management.    Now, can you can knock off $1K-$2K? And say, offer the seller then - $118K or $119K for the $120,000 property. Yeah, that might work.    It sure wouldn't be deemed some unreasonable request. But it's good to at least provide a reason - some rationale - in asking for the discount.   Let me give you some perspective on this negotiation too.    For every $1,000 less in a mortgage loan that you take out, how much do you think that saves you in a monthly payment? Did you ever figure out how much that saves you?   Well, at a 5% interest rate on a 30-year loan, reducing your mortgage loan amount by $1,000 saves you … $5. Five bucks in a reduced payment.   For more perspective, keep in mind too, that once the seller accepts your offer - it's only the first part of the negotiation.   Later, it's a negotiation with the inspection. We'll discuss how to navigate THAT shortly.   I'm Keith Weinhold. You're listening to the Audio Beginner's Guide to Real Estate Investing, here on Get Rich Education. ________________ ***AD RESOURCES***    ________________ Welcome back to GRE Podcast 433. This is your Audio Beginner's Guide to Real Estate Investing. I'm your host, Keith Weinhold and we're talking about buying an income-producing property, especially…   …a TURNKEY property - which just means that it's already renovated, tenanted, and under management with a tenant on the day that you buy it.    Now, once your offer is accepted by the seller, I want to give you - really just a brief outline of what to expect next.    This isn't intended to give you every step in exhaustive detail, but this is generally what comes next for United States real estate purchases, and custom varies somewhat from state-to-state.   So with that in mind, once the turnkey provider or seller accepts your purchase offer...   You need to send in your earnest money. Earnest money is not the down payment. It's a smaller amount that shows good faith that you're serious about your offer.    It's often an amount of $5,000 or less and it shows the seller that you're serious enough about buying the property that the seller has the confidence to take their property OFF the market and not show it to anyone else.   The seller should give you instructions on how to place your Earnest Money.    Now remember, your earnest money deposit is not going directly TO the seller, it is going to a third-party escrow account, and it is refundable to you in accordance with the terms of the contract that you signed.   Your contract should have an estimated closing date in there. I want to emphasize that the key word there is “estimated”.    While it is important that all parties work towards closing by this date, between you and me - let's just be realistic - the reality is that many transactions get delayed beyond the closing date in the contract for a variety of reasons on the seller side, sometimes having to do with construction or renovation delays.    If this happens, it is nothing to be worried about, just remain in touch with the seller and you can simply sign a contract extension if needed when the time comes.   As you are financing your property, be sure to keep getting your lender anything that they ask you for up so that they can keep processing your loan.    As your closing gets near, they will probably ask you for some updated information and have some final stipulations from the underwriter, so just remain in close touch with your lender and try to provide them what they need as swiftly as you can.   During most of this time where you're under contract & even before you're in-contract to buy the property, most of your relationship with your lender and seller is just sitting around, waiting for the next stage.    Some days, frankly you're thinking, “When will they reply to my e-mail?” OK, sometimes, RE moves slower than glaciers.   Once construction/renovation is completed on your property, I suggest that you order a professional third-party home inspection before closing.    As the buyer, this is at your expense, but the home inspection is cheap insurance for you and it is an important part of your due diligence. It might cost you about $300-$500 for a single-family turnkey income property.   A four-plex inspection might cost up toward $800 or $1,000.   When seeking an inspector - seek ASHI certification - that is American Society of Home Inspectors.   You're looking for an inspector with a good reputation, licensed and bonded. It is good to look for a level of experience as well. The choice is really yours as the Buyer.   Your inspector points out deficiencies in what I'll break into a few categories.    #1 is Major concerns – these are significantly defective, safety issues that require immediate repair. Often times, those things absolutely MUST be done in order for your lender to even finance the property so the seller is going to do those things for you. That might be something like adding a railing to a porch.   The second category are recommended repairs – So they're recommended but not required. That might be adding some extra insulation in the attic.    The third category is “well, it would be NICE if it were done” - like a kitchen cabinet door that's a little loose and doesn't close snugly.   When you get your home inspection report back because the inspector has compiled their findings, the key to remember is that the inspector will ALWAYS return a (usually long) list of items that they recommend be corrected prior to closing.    Now, this even happens on new construction, so expect some findings.   I swear, even on a perfect, unblemished home it seems like the inspector would say that the bushes have to be trimmed or something. Ha!   And remember, you are not closing on the property in the condition it was inspected. Rather, the inspection is just part of the process on the path to getting the property up to its final condition.    Then you and the seller agree on what will be fixed (at the SELLER'S expense (not your expense), and verified to your satisfaction), prior to closing.    The seller is anticipating that they will need to make some final repairs (at their own expense) after they get the inspection repair request from you - that your inspector just compiled for you. This is all part of the normal process.   Of course, you can get in a car or hop on a plane and visit the turnkey property yourself and walk the property with your inspector, but I'd say fewer than 10% of turnkey buyers do this. I have never done this on an out-of-state property.   But going to see the property in person is never a BAD idea.   Today, it's easier than ever for an inspector or provider to e-mail you a property video. The report that you get from your Home Inspector after he visited the home will have lots of photos and details.   Typically, purchase offers are contingent on a home inspection of the property to check for signs of structural damage or things that may need fixing.  This contingency protects you by giving you a chance to renegotiate your offer or withdraw it without penalty if the inspection reveals significant material damage. You are protected. Once the seller makes any needed repairs that the third-party inspector found, I suggest having a re-inspection done by that same inspector. This gives you the chance to confirm that any agreed-upon repairs have indeed been made. You might spend another $100+ on this re-inspection. Now, if the original inspection showed that a leaky faucet needed to be replaced, and the seller said they'd do it, and the re-inspection finds that that work wasn't done as promised, then any FURTHER re-inspection costs are often a cost borne by the seller. Which seems pretty fair - they said they'd do work - and the re-inspection that you paid for confirmed that it hadn't been done in this case. Now, back to the negotiation. If you asked for a reduced Purchase Price, that could lean away from you asking for too much in the inspection.   How do I like to play it? Often times, I make a full price offer for the property - and I might even let the seller know at that time that I'd like to give you your price - it's a full $120,000 in this case - and since you got your price, I'd like my terms.   My terms are - that I'm more bold in what I request the seller to do from the inspection findings.  Maybe I will ask them to add that extra insulation in the attic as one of those “Recommended buy not Required For Financing” items - or replace a window pane that had condensation inside it.   Then, what's my justification for asking the seller for that. It's that I'm paying your full price. Again, financing an extra $1,000 only costs me $5 per month.   Now, let's talk about the property appraisal.    The appraisal is a tool that the bank uses to verify the quality of their collateral.    Because in your loan paperwork, at closing, the bank will basically tell you that if you don't make your monthly payments, you'll be foreclosed upon and the bank will take back the property - that's their collateral.   So they want to make sure that the property seems to be worth as much or more than you're in contract for - this $120,000 in our example.   Your lender is the one that orders the property appraisal, not you. In about 90% of U.S. states, you as the buyer pay for the appraisal. It costs about $500.    The appraiser is a member of a third-party company and is not directly associated with the lender. It wasn't always that way.    In fact, one factor that led to the housing downturn of 2007 in the Great Recession is that some lenders & appraisers were “in cahoots”. Haha! That can't happen anymore.    BTW, the appraisal and some of these other steps are all part of your closing costs. All part of that … about 4% of the property purchase price.   The appraisal is typically done by a certified appraiser physically visiting the home - and these people always seemingly have a tape measure with them.   The appraiser checks out the premises and their job is to use market comparables to make sure that the lender has adequate collateral in case you, the borrower, default.   OK, the bank doesn't want to lend out more than the property is worth or else they could find themselves underwater if the borrower defaults. The appraisal protects against this.   And don't confuse this appraisal with an assessment. An assessment is something that a county or municipality uses the measure the amount of property taxes that are paid. It's really unrelated to this appraisal.   One interesting thing that's related to the appraisal and the bank giving you the loan for 80% of the property is that the lender NEVER requires that you see the property in person.   Think about what that means. The bank never requires you to see the property in-person, yet they're willing to loan you up to 80% of the value.   Even the bank knows that it's not important for you to personally see the property - something that they're willing to put their money behind.   Now, when it comes to finding properties and markets and teams, our listeners & followers encouraged us to set up a marketplace for them for finding the properties.   We've done that for you at GREmarketplace.com. And knowing that Property Management is the glue that makes your property stick together, we - and it's Aundrea here at GRE that does it - where you find your properties at GRE Marketplace, Aundrea also interviews the property manage in each market for you so that you can get a good feel and vibe about them.   Most any provider is happy to do a PM Zoom chat or phone call with you too.   Now, just because a property is branded “turnkey” by a company, doesn't mean that you can dismiss doing your due diligence. Turnkey can be a great system, but there's nothing magical about that word alone.   Don't overlook developing a good feeling about your Property Manager, because this is the one long-term relationship that you expect to have. I just can't emphasize that enough. Your Manager is one of your key team members.   They'll tell you the character of the current tenant that's currently in the home. Find out how the manager is going to pay you. Feel them out, know what your communication flow is going to be like.    If they're part of the same turnkey company, a good manager should also connect you with whoever renovated your turnkey property in case you have some questions for them.   Now, notice that I haven't mentioned a real estate agent. Most turnkey providers work in a direct model so that you don't have to go through agents. That's one way that GRE Marketplace providers keep the price down for you.   You must sign a written Management Agreement with your Property Manager.    What the MA does is that it gives the manager the authority to manage your property for you, manage tenant relations for you, the MA will state their fees, and you'll have your contact information in that agreement.   There are typically two fees - a leasing fee and a management fee.   A leasing fee is where you'll spend ½ month's rent to one month's rent amount when the Manager screens a new tenant. So hopefully that only happens every 1 or 2 or even 5 years if you're lucky.    Yes, you can typically approve or reject their selected prospective tenant. You are going to be the owner of the property afterall.   A management fee is often 8-10% of one month's rent income - and that's what you pay monthly - ongoing.   You can sign a Management Agreement with the property provider if they have management integrated in-house. If not, you can lean on your provider for some management recommendations.   Now, there's one blank to fill in on your Management Agreement - it's a dollar amount up to which the manager can pay for expenses that come up - against your account - without contacting you.    For example, if the number $500 is written in there, that means that if a maintenance or repair expense on your property exceeds $500, they must contact you prior to incurring that expense.   You get to choose that dollar limit. As a beginning real estate investor, go with a lower figure.    Then as you get comfortable or you don't want to be bothered about the property as much, you can increase that dollar limit in which they need to contract you about approving maintenance or repairs.   Basically, if there's something that has to do with the property & you don't want to deal with it, then make sure it's written in the Management Agreement that the manager will perform it.   Typically, it's going to say that the manager will collect rent, handle tenant relations, respond to repair requests, send you the rent, keep your ledger of income & expenses on the property, post legal notices if a tenant is paying the rent late, and sooo many other associated duties that I personally don't want to deal with.    Hey, I just want to live my life & keep this investment nearly passive.   Get that Management Agreement done - fully executed - signed by both you & the Manager BEFORE you close on the property.    Before you close, you can buy property insurance from any provider you choose.    Your turnkey provider is often happy to recommend some providers that their other clients have used in this market, or you can just Google and find your own.    Be sure to let the insurance provider know that this is a rental property (not a primary residence where you live and not a second home).    Most turnkey buyers purchase both hazard and liability insurance as part of their policy. Like any other insurance policy, you will have choices about deductibles & monthly payments, and coverage amounts.    If you are financing your property, your lender will most likely be able to combine your property taxes and insurance into your monthly payment, so you have one monthly payment for principal, interest, taxes and insurance (PITI) … much like you would on your primary residence.   The financing process typically takes about 30 days from the time you submit your EM.    Remember that YOU are a factor in how fast your property closes. If that lender needs another document, give it to them pretty promptly.   When you've finalized your due diligence, and verified that the seller has made all the agreed upon repairs from the home inspection report, you will be ready to close.    You likely live in a different state than the property and will close remotely. The title company (or its a closing attorney in some states) will prepare your closing documents - including your loan docs...    ...and can arrange for a mobile notary to meet you with the docs wherever you choose (your home, your office, your local coffee shop, etc.) so you can sign the docs in front of a notary who will then overnight the docs back to the Title Company so the transaction can fund.   Yep, you can do the ink-and-paper thing with a mobile notary at your local Starbucks.   Your lender will arrange for a title company to handle all of the paperwork and make sure that the seller is the rightful owner of the house that you are buying. That's part of what they do for you.   It may seem like the closing process is a lot of work, but you'll really spend most of the time waiting. Most of the time, you'll just be sitting on your hands, waiting for someone else involved in the transaction to come through.    So find something enjoyable to occupy your time and distract you while you wait, and feel secure in the knowledge that you've done your research and know how to make your closing process go smoothly.   When you complete that closing with the mobile notary - I've done these closings at my home's dining room table, or even in my employer's conference room back when I used to have a day job - then, hey!    You need to congratulate yourself on adding another income property to your portfolio.   You know, the good news is that of all of these stages we've discussed - the longest stage of them all is your ownership of the property. You Own & Collect the cash flow.   And hey, this isn't reason enough alone - but it's kinda cool that you own property in TN and FL and IN.  You own part of each one of those states. You're like a property collector!   And with each new turnkey property you buy, you might have just increased your mostly passive cash flow by $211 per month or $118 per month or whatever it is.   If you can swing it, it can be more efficient timewise for you to buy more than one property at a time.   As you buy more income properties, it not only gets easier because you know the process, but you often get quantity discounts.   For example, a management company might charge you a 9% management fee on your first three properties, but once you own four or more, they might charge you 8% on all four rather than 9%.   Insurance companies often have similar discounts for you….so you may very well get a little more profitable as you buy more property.   I've been actively investing in real estate since 2002 and just within the steps of ACQUIRING a property, like I carefully discussed today, some incremental half-step will come up in the process that I haven't mentioned here - like signing a Lead Paint Disclosure Form.   So, you don't need to commit all of this stuff to memory.   Now, something that novice real estate investors say sometimes is something like: “I would only buy an income property that I would live in myself.”    I contend that that is an awful criterion upon which to found strategic fundamentals on purchasing an income property.   Once one filters property that way, they have let their emotions trump facts.    If the fact that a clean, safe, affordable, and functional property has a good occupancy rate in a sound employment market, decent ENOUGH neighborhood, and the numbers make sense - that's more important.   OK, you aren't living there yourself so it's not a sound criterion.   Shoot, if I moved into any income property that I own, my lifestyle would take a substantial hit. Yet I'm not a slumlord - I provide housing that's clean, safe, affordable and functional.   But they're not replete with fantastic amenities, it does not have Corinthian architecture with alabaster columns - OK - but I know there's a demographic for my rental property type that demands this responsible-but-no-frills housing over time.   It's about asking yourself a better question, like, “Will this property secure an income stream?”    Alright, would you rather have your property look “cute as a button” - or secure an income stream? I went deep on that topic just three weeks ago here on the show.   OK, we're investors here.   Some think that in today's electronic age, you should be able to complete a property purchase from the time you write an offer until you close on a property in the same-day.    Well, that's certainly not true. As you witnessed, physical things need to take place because you're buying a real, physical asset.   We've been talking today about how you buy an income property - just simply that - especially as it pertains to buying an out-of-state turnkey income property - from the time that you get a property under contract and submit the earnest money to escrow all the way to closing.   ...because that's how to generate passive income, which in turn, creates a rich life for you.   Again, this isn't an all-encompassing guide today with EVERY little detail. But we've hit the major milestones in the process & more.   You've got a good general guide on the income property-buying structure.    You might have learned something about prioritization - perhaps LLCs matter less than you thought and a communicative Property Manager matters more than you thought.   Today's show has the type of content that will be about as relevant 5 years from now as it does today.    Now, today is also evidence that real estate does not have the liquidity that some other investments do. It takes longer to get in & get out.   However, that low liquidity actually contributes to relative price stability in real estate. OK, there's no panic selling in real estate.   Maybe the most important thing for you to keep in mind is that...   You cannot make any money from the property that you don't own.   Your future depends on what you do today.   To “know” something and not “do” something is to really not know something.   The most important thing you can do is act...because you cannot make any money from the property that you don't own.   But if you're new to real estate investing & know that you need to “Start small but think big”, otherwise, all this knowledge really won't move the meter in helping you live an amazing life like RE can, in the past 1-2 years, we hired an in-house coach, who is completely free for you to use.   If you're still a little unsure or want some guidance, lean on our trusted source, Naresh at GREmarketplace.com/Coach   He is an expert at helping you along - totally free to you - again at GetRichEducation.com/Coach   It's almost hard to express how much value this gives you & makes it easy. I wish something like this existed when I started out.   There would be nothing worse than for me to share today's knowledge with you - then not let you know where to go to act upon that knowledge.     So if you're ready to get started - connect directly with market & properties at our Marketplace - at GREmarketplace.com   For a little more help, personal and one-on-one with our experienced in-house coach, start at GREmarketplace.com/Coach    Both resources are free   It's been my pleasure to bring you your Beginner's Real Estate Investing Audio Guide today.   Next week, I we'll discuss one particular geographic market that we never have before - and you probably never thought we would.   For properties, start at GREmarketplace.com For coaching, GREmarketplace.com/Coach   Until next week, I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. Don't Quit Your Daydream! 

The Hope Prose Podcast
Episode 78 - Don't Quit Your Daydream w/ Charity Alyse

The Hope Prose Podcast

Play Episode Play 27 sec Highlight Listen Later Jan 9, 2023 43:41


In today's episode of Hope Prose, author Charity Alyse sits down with Tara and Rebekah to talk about her debut novel Other Side of the Tracks. Charity earned her bachelor's degree in English literature at Rowan University and when she's not writing, she is working toward a master's degree in clinical mental health therapy. Listen as they have a robust discussion about her debut, racism, the importance of fiction in conveying serious issues, her hopes for her readers, and fighting back against people who tell you to “quit” your daydream. Oh, and we can't forget the tears shed during the recording. This is an episode you won't want to miss! Enjoy! Due to character limitations, please find a full version of our show notes and links on our website at: https://www.tarakross.com/podcast-1 Charity's book Other Side of the Tracks can be pre-ordered from your local independent bookstore or online from the Hope Prose Podcast bookshop.org store (benefiting indie bookstores) at: https://bookshop.org/a/56741/9781534497719

Get Rich Education
430: The Most Important Question in the Investing World

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 2, 2023 38:27


Answer this one question and you won't have money concerns for the rest of your life. The Dow Jones once fell so hard that it didn't recover for 25 years Japan's NIKKEI peaked in 1989 and still has not recovered. I discuss the differences between an economic recession and depression. During the 2008 housing crisis, national housing values only fell 19%.  Originally, 401(k)s were called “Salary Reduction Plans”. They had to scrap the name to foster participation. Some investing questions are: How do I max out my 401(k)? How can I attend my dream college? How can I become a millionaire? After building context, I reveal the most important question in the investing world. Learn how to keep emotions separate from investing. The vital question is: “Will this property secure an income stream?” Resources mentioned: Show Notes: www.GetRichEducation.com/430 National Median Home Prices: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MSPUS Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Analyze your RE portfolio at (use code “GRE” for 10% off): MyPropertyStats.com  Memphis property that cash flows from Day 1: www.MidSouthHomeBuyers.com I'd be grateful if you search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review” and do this for the show. Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our wealth-building newsletter free—text ‘GRE' to 66866 Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Full transcript:   Welcome to GRE! I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. Happy New Year! What is the most important question in the entire investing world? It is a vital one - and this coming year makes it as relevant as ever.    Asking yourself this question & answering it can make you wealthy - and you've probably never even heard this question before. That & loads of financial education, today on Get Rich Education! _____________   Welcome to GRE! From Lake Champlain, NY to Lake Charles, Louisiana and across 188 nations worldwide, you're listening to one of America's longest-running and most listened-to investing shows.   I'm your host. My name's Keith Weinhold. I'm grateful to be here myself. Thank you FOR being here… and you aren't here for me. You're here for you… so let's build your wealth today.   What's the most important, vital, essential, and almost MANDATORY question in the investing world today?   While you're thinking about that, let me build some context so that it makes sense.   Now, why don't we discuss stocks more on the show here?    When most people hear the word “investing”, they might think of stocks first. Their mind might shoot there immediately.   When someone refers to the market, they just simply say, “the market”, they typically mean the stock market, like the DJIA or the S&P 500.   Look, with persistently higher interest rates, it's likely that economic headwinds are still coming.   Now, what if things got worse than a recession and we entered a depression? I'm not saying that it's likely, but let's look at what CAN happen because this actually HAS happened.   What can happen in a depression?! The stock market falls  and doesn't recover for 25 years. That's not a guess. That really happened in the United States!   Yes, the DJIA peaked in 1929.  The market crash hit. These were the times of “The Great Depression”.    Stocks lost nearly 90% of their value. Yes, 90%. That means that after a loss like that, stocks would have to rebound 9X, 900% just to get back to even.   Well, I told you that the US stock market crashed in 1929. The Dow didn't fully recover until late 1954. Yes, 1929 to 1954. That is fully 25 years… just to get back to even.   25 years of zero gain. It HAS happened, right here in the USA, the most powerful nation in the world.   Well, you might wonder… ah, c'mon, could that really happen to any major stock market in an ADVANCED economy today, in more modern times, even if things got really bad?   Oh, yes, things don't even have to get really bad. Understand that the third-largest economy on earth, still to this day is Japan.    Japan's NIKKEI peaked in 1989. It still hasn't recovered from its high 34 years ago. Yes, that's the MAIN stock market index for Japan - the Tokyo Stock Exchange.   That's still going on right now, today. It still hasn't recovered back to its 1989 level. It's not even close today.   So it doesn't even TAKE a depression for those stock market calamities to occur in major world nations' stock markets.   Well, what's the difference between an economic recession and a depression?    The short story is that a recession is a substantial downturn in ONE nation's economy, and an economic DEPRESSION is widespread across many nations.   And there are some other distinctions.   Right? And the old joke is that a recession is when your neighbor loses their job and depression is when you lose YOUR job.   Well, what about real estate? Real estate values don't always go up.    What happened to real estate in its ugly downturn about 15 years ago where we had a mortgage meltdown from liar mortgage loans and a glut of housing supply? (neither of which are happening now, BTW)   During the ugly Global Financial Crisis in & around 2008 & 2009. Well, during that time, real estate went down 19% nationally.   Yes, on a nominal basis, the national median home price was down 19% from $257K down to $208K.   That's it? Maybe you're thinking, “that's it”? 19%. This is when everything was going wrong for housing and it didn't even reach 20% bear market territory fifteen years ago.    And btw, I will put the link to the chart that shows this in the Show Notes for you.    Yes, we really do put links in the Show Notes for you when I tell you that we will. Haha!   You can see that at GetRichEducation.com/430    This is episode 430 of the GRE Podcast, so just go to GetRichEducation.com/430 to see today's resources and today's show notes also, you have access to an entire transcript - all of the lyrics… like we do for some of our episodes here.   So that if you have a deaf or hard of hearing person in your life, they can, I suppose “read” today's show rather than listen to it.   Or maybe you want to read along as you listen… or read after you listen in order to reinforce your learning.   Now, at the start of the recession in 2008, the national median housing value was $234K… and it took all of but four years to recover and exceed that level.   Yes, from the start of the GFC, housing values only took four years to recover.   The source of that information is the Census Bureau & HUD.    That data is also available for you in the Show Notes at GetRichEducation.com/430   So the point is that real estate or stocks can lose value. But real estate is substantially more stable.   If you buy RE in a good market and you have an average or better PM (meaning they're “just OK” with screening tenants), then you can sleep well. It's hard to lose big.   You might not even be in real estate for the values. You might be in it for the cash flow.   This is helping you build context and provide you with a clue about The Most Important Question in the entire Investing World.    While you're still pondering what that question might be, because I'll build some more context for you so that this question makes complete sense… and let's start to isolate it here.   Real estate builds wealth.   Stocks though, can maintain wealth after you've built it. But you've got to build it first.    So that's why this most important investing question today… isn't about stocks.   Well, what about stocks or mutual funds in a retirement plan? Is that more relevant?    Enjoy the compounding growth on PRE-tax dollars & all that.   Take stocks' 10% return and like I detailed two episodes ago, adjust that down for inflation, emotion, taxes, fees, and volatility… and what do you have left?   I'll tell you what the key question is not. How can I max out my retirement plan? Oh geez. The new annual contribution limit to 401(k)s this year is $22,500 BTW.   I'll admit, I used to have a day job and I maxxed out my retirement for a few years before I realized that maxing out my retirement…   … was minimizing my present. And minimizing next year, and minimizing next decade, and minimizing my life for decades until I hopefully was still not just alive… but actually healthy enough to truly enjoy DEFERRING my quality of life all those decades.   Maximizing your retirement contribution means that you're living a SMALLER life for decades.    The risk of delayed gratification is denied gratification.   Now there IS something to be said though, for the psychological benefit of you having something saved for the future, even if it certainly diminishes your life in the near-term.   Instead, with income property, I discovered that I can invest in something that pays me an income stream TODAY… without jeopardizing my future one bit.   In fact, I'm paid an income stream TODAY AND I will get a better return than my 401(k) long-term and the tax benefits too.   Today's mainstream media tells you that it's a bad time to buy real estate because prices & interest rates are up in the past year. But they're talking about primary residences.   Instead, with rental property, your tenant pays all of your mortgage principal & interest for you & all of the operating expenses & a little on top of that called cash flow.   So “How do I max out my retirement?” That is not a great investing question. You're contemplating how to defer your quality of life, delay your standard of living, and live a life of less.   Now, here's another bad question. I heard a teenager say this the other day, “I want to attend my dream college.” “How can I attend my dream college?”   Dream college? What? College is still necessary for some skilled professions. But like we touched on last week here on the show, the value of a college degree is down yet the price of a college degree is up.   That's why enrollment has been steadily declining since 2012.   But, even worse, “How do I attend my dream college?” Who would even ask that question?   It COULD matter whether you have a degree or not. But no one cares what school you went to. No one cares what your college grades are either.   The last time that you went to go see the doctor, do you feel like you got a good quality of care from them or not? That's what you REALLY care about.   Did you want to know what college or medical school your doctor graduated from before you saw them?   Do you even know what college they went to? It doesn't matter.   Did you ask your medical doctor about what their college GRADES were? See. It doesn't matter.   Now, I actually don't think college is a complete waste. I got a 4-year-degree. I learned some things. But it wasn't the most efficient use of my four years.   But “dream college”? Who cares? Not a good question.   “Attend My Dream School”. It makes no sense.   Here's a third question that is NOT the best question that you can ask yourself in investing today:   “How Can I Become A Millionaire?"   Ugggh. Awful question. I think that longtime listeners know where I'm going with this one. But let me update it because we've had some substantial inflation for almost two years now.   Let me tell you - you don't want to be a millionaire.   The definition of a millionaire is not someone that makes a million dollars a year.   It's having a million dollar net worth.   So if you add up the value of all of your assets and it totals 1-and-a-half million dollars and then add up the sum of your debts and that a HALF million dollars.   Well, your net worth is 1.5 million in assets minus a half million in debts which equals 1 million.   That is not where you want to be. Now, maybe if your 75 years old and you think you've got ten years left to live, you could live a somewhat modest life on a million dollars.   But, as you can see, that's not where most people want to be.   Inflation has rendered the term “millionaire” nearly to middle class now.   The middle class is getting eaten by wages that don't keep up with inflation.   A single millionaire will probably be a POVERTY marker within my lifetime.   Now, if you're a millionaire that has $200K of CASH FLOW each year, that's different. That's better.   Net worth is not as important a measure as your residual income stream.   But just a millionaire? Wrong trajectory. Avoid. Avoid. Avoid.    So maxxing out retirement plans, attending a dream college, or setting out to be a millionaire are all losing financial plans… and they are all losing life plans.   We are building some context and eliminating some paradigms as I'll soon posit “The Most Important Question in the entire Investing World”.    There is one question that can make you wealthy - and you've probably never heard this question before.    And if you act on the ANSWER to this premium best investment question to ask yourself… you probably won't have money concerns for the rest of your life.   I think it'll all make sense when I reveal it later today. While you're been thinking about it, I've been building some context and a foundation about why this question matters, and why those other ones don't.   If you're new to the show, again, I'm Keith Weinhold. I'm a 20-year REI in the US. I am an active member of the Forbes RE Council. I write all of our articles on GetRichEducation.com too. I'm also a financial columnist for the Epoch Times.    I host this weekly Get Rich Education podcast every single Monday - this show right here. We don't miss shows. I have never missed a week. And we also don't replay old shows. Fresh material here for you every single week.   Most every financial influencer has been here with me as a guest on the show, running alongside me, including Robert Kiyosaki, Grant Cardone, Jim Rickards, Chris Martenson, T. Harv Eker, most anyone that you've heard of.   Besides writing for GetRichEducation.com, Forbes and Epoch Times, I also write our weekly “Don't Quit Your Daydream” newsletter that I send directly to you.   Then, I am the “talent” - if you can call it that - that's what it's called in the industry “the talent”. It makes a slackjaw like me feel uncomfortable saying it.   I am the “talent” on the Get Rich Education YouTube Channel as well - building your wealth over there.   I also host webinars to help you get started with real estate. That's where we look at actual addresses together and more. That's something that we just began a few months ago.   I am also your instructor for a fastcourse that I made specifically for you at: GetRichEducation.com/Course   Those five course videos that average just 12 minutes each could comprise the most powerful and impactful 1 hour of investing instruction that you will ever see.   That's free, again, at GetRichEducation.com/Course   When you know what you're doing in real estate, you're often getting paid five ways. And when you're profiting like this, you're not tempted to cut corners.    When you're not cutting corners, you are providing others with good housing.   Let's do good in the world. Provide good housing and let's abolish the term “slumlord” in this nation.   Everything that I do here is completely free for you - every single thing that I just mentioned is free.   If you like our mission, and our direction - doing the right thing before you do things right - I invite you to “Subscribe” to our show now.   You don't have to. But consider it.   Subscribing to Get Rich Education on your podcatcher is the only way you're certain to NOT miss one wealth-building show.   More next. I'm KW. This is Get Rich Education. __________   Welcome back to GRE Podcast 430. I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. We are in our 9th year of coming at you every single week, 52 weeks a year.   There is one question that can make you wealthy - and you've probably never asked yourself this question before, or perhaps even HEARD this question before.    And if you act on the ANSWER to this premium best investment question to ask yourself… you probably won't have money concerns for the rest of your life.   It begins with keeping your emotions separate from investing.   When it comes to buying a LT rental property, some of the worst advice that I've ever heard is: “Only buy a rental property if you would live in it yourself.”   Oh! That really limits your ability to put the most profitable income properties into your portfolio.   Now, of course, you had better only buy a primary residence that you would want to live in yourself.    But it's definitely NOT that way with income property. It is not that way with rentals. Yet you need some standard here, however.   Look, years ago, I had a friend that saw me as a successful REI, so he wanted me to tag along with him to go out and tour rental properties on the weekends so that my experience might inform him on which property to buy and which ones to avoid.   Most of them were unsuitable. Unsuitable SFR, unsuitable condos, unsuitable duplexes and triplexes and fourplexes.   But we found one together - a fourplex - that I thought was suitable and he didn't.   The reason that he didn't like this, oh, about 1980-built fourplex building is because - though it was well-kept, some of its finishes looked dated.   One of the four units had a pink color-themed bathroom that had this sorta weird-looking pink wall tile and pink sink and pink bathtub. It all matched though. But yeah, it looked dated.   And another one of the fourplex unit bathrooms had those same bathroom fixtures but in a dated-looking olive green.   And the third a light blue, and then the fourth was a totally renovated new bathroom.     Well, it didn't matter that the bathrooms didn't match each other. Each family in the fourplex had their own unit in these 2 bed, 1 bath units.   And here's the thing. The building was well-kept, it was fully-occupied, and it had a good history of occupancy.   That's why the fourplex checked my “buy box” but my friend didn't want to buy it. He just couldn't get over the emotions that he felt in, say, a pink bathroom.   See, he couldn't see living there himself. But he was not GOING to live in the fourplex himself. He would be an investor that lived offsite.   That didn't make any sense to me. He gave in to emotions, and lost out on a profitable property.   So when an investor says that they wouldn't live in an income property themselves, my response is often, “Oh, I didn't know that you planned to live there.” Because often times, the investor does not.   Emotions got the best of my friend… and he didn't buy this property that would have been a winner.   Here's a different case. Now, being sentimental is an emotion. I've known someone that strongly considered buying a rental property in their own neighborhood chiefly because they used to play basketball at that house back when they were a teenager.   Sheesh, that's an awful strategy. Investing is about facts, not feelings.    And certainly not the feelings that are evoked because you slam-dunked a basketball for the first time on an 8' rim when you were 13. Ugggh. Dreadful investing strategy!   Would that property's income exceed its expenses?   Sentimental feelings are an emotion. Instead, investing is about the facts.   Now, we're building some backstory and context. We are hitting closer to home for what I soon want to reveal as the best investment question that you can possibly ask yourself.   Now it's pretty likely that you want to avoid buying property in a badly blighted, crime-ridden neighborhood that's also trending in the wrong direction, even if the property is CHEAP.   Because in those areas, it's hard to find a respectful, rent-paying tenant… and the property could depreciate in value at the same time - in a tough neighborhood.   Actually, you typically want to avoid BEAUTIFUL neighborhoods too. Yes, “avoid beautiful”. That can sound unusual to newer REIs, but for LTRs, beautiful isn't profitable. The rents aren't high enough there.   So, depending on your target market, to go from a working class neighborhood (where the numbers often make sense) to an upper crust neighborhood, rents might triple but purchase prices could 10X.    That's a losing formula for you.   So because you want to avoid rough neighborhoods and avoid beautiful ones, what you want to be attracted to are working class, SAFE enough neighborhoods that are just a little below the median home price.   You don't want to go so low that you're beneath the safe bar.    What are the condition of the cars like in the neighborhood? If someone would park a decent car outdoors overnight, that's one sign that the neighborhood is safe, in addition to crime and school district data that you can find online.   So again, don't let emotions prevail.   Also, don't let PERSONAL PREFERENCES dictate what you do too much. Ah, you'll learn some funny quirks about me here.   I've spent my life living in places that have a real change in seasons, including a substantial winter - that's mostly in Pennsylvania and also in Alaska, BTW.    But distinct seasons are my personal preference. A lot of people don't care about seasons. They just want year-round warmth. So that's why I invest in the Sun Belt states - because I know that it's what OTHERS want.    It's not about where I want to live. It's not about me. It's not about my emotions.   I also know that even people who dislike cold will still live in a cold place if they have a job. Money is very attractive to people and money trumps climate for some people… so it can be good to invest in growing pockets of, say the Midwest.   Personally, I don't prefer to live on HW floor. It's harder, colder, and noisier than carpeting. I prefer plush, padded carpeting… and I've got some reasons for that. But I know that I'm in the minority on that one.   We actually did a poll on that on our Get Rich Education Instagram Stories and 83% preferred to live on a hard surface, only 17% on carpet.   But see, in my rentals, I use either vinyl plank flooring or hardwood laminate flooring - even in the bedrooms sometimes.   Not only is it more durable, but tenants actually seem to prefer it - even if I can't figure out why. Ha!   So I keep emotions out of investing, I'm keeping sentimental reasons out of investing, and I'm even keeping my own personal preferences - like plush wall-to-wall carpet out of investing.   Stick with facts and demographics and infrastructure and migration trends, and jurisdictions that have strong protections for landlords.    So, with all of this in mind, what is the best REI question that you can ask yourself during the course of your entire investing career?   It is:    Will this property secure an income stream?    Yeah, that's the big question. And it is unemotional.   When you ask yourself, “Will this property secure an income stream” for yourself, now you're accounting for the quality of tenant that you can attract there.   Now you're accounting for the long-term building maintenance question, and now you're accounting on if you're in a good market with enough job and population vibrancy for a long-term tenant base.   That's the stuff that matters.   “Will this property secure an income stream?”   And what makes that question multi-dimensional is that even though the word “property” is in that question, the question is really asking more about what SUPPORTS the property - like the metro economic market and the neighborhood that it's in.   See, a modest, 1950-built, 500 sf studio apartment can support an income stream for you if it's in a thriving job market with a future.     Well, as far as your investing for the year ahead, we are still in high inflation - though it's come down, and many feel that a recession is ahead.   Where do you invest in high inflation & a recession?    Well, gold is the classic inflation hedge. But long-term, it's price merely tracks inflation, so though it could be good to have a little, it won't grow your prosperity.   Bitcoin has been beleaguered in this brutal crypto winter as they call it. Bitcoin has a few redeeming attributes in my opinion.    But it's risky. In fact, during the GFC of 2008, the pseudonymous creator, Satoshi Nakamoto was just publishing his white paper. We really don't have any history of what bitcoin does in a prolonged recession.    Here's the thing. If there's a bad recession and you lose your job… what are you really going to need in your life badly? You're going to need more income streams - like a RE income stream.    And you're not going to be able to get a loan for a property anymore once you lose your job.   If high inflation persists, as any longtime listener knows, RE crushes it - income property with a loan.    Yes, by now, you know that you win the Inflation Triple Crown - winning with RE 3 ways at the same time - c'mon - recite them with me - Asset Price Inflation, Debt Debasement, and Cash Flow enhancement.   That's the ITC.   This is why rental property with a loan is the singular best investment in high inflation and a potential recession.   History over hunches. RE has proven itself historically. You can have a hunch. But it's typically best to look at what happens historically over & over & over again.   My question for you today is: “Will this property secure an income stream?” That's the key investment question.   But over the years, I've learned that you've also had a question for me. It's something like: “Where do I find the properties conducive to securing an income stream?”   These are exactly the types of income property at GRE Marketplace. That's a resource that our team & I put together for you where I share the same exact property providers with you… that I buy from myself.    Gosh, I wish that this would have existed 20 years ago when I bought my first rental property through a RE agent that didn't know what they were talking about & I wasn't even aware of it.   It is free to signup just like thousands of investors already have. There's no subscription fee and just one login gives you access to all of the property providers - and they're typically in the profitable Midwest and South.   You don't have to invest in your own local market. The best deals usually are not there.   When you open up your investing possibilities to the entire nation & beyond, you're no longer limiting yourself.   And see, when you aren't limiting yourself & you buy in a market with a strong rent income into a low purchase price, what have you done?   You've made your investment profitable.   How are you more incentivized to think when you're profitable - you don't cut corners. Those that aren't making money on their rentals can be tempted to cut corners and for example, not replace faulty electrical outlets and not replace rickety porch stairs.   When you invest out-of-market and you're profitable, you're less likely to do those slumlord type of things… and that's how this is congruent with our mission to do some GOOD in the world.   It's not complete altruism. You want to be a profiteer like me. So I buy from these providers myself at GRE Marketplace.   Prices over there are often discounted because it's a DIRECT model. There's no real estate agent to pay at all.    We even video-interview the PMs in the markets there for you… since that PM can manage the property for you on Day 1… if you so choose… making this largely passive for you.   So, armed with this best-ever question of “Will this property secure an income stream?”   Understand that GRE Marketplace is not like a big box store. It is more like an organic farmer's market where we help match you with experienced property providers.   Much like an organic farmer's market, you check back regularly for new offerings. It's a vibrant market. Check back every few weeks.   Make this the year when you take action & think big with income property. Hey, I'll see you over there. I've got a video for you over there too to help walk you through GREmarketplace.com   Until next week, I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. Don't Quit Your Daydream!

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Play Episode Listen Later Dec 10, 2022 3:04


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Don't Quit Your Daydream

Crazy Over Easy

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 6, 2022 19:26


When was the last time you looked beyond your screen? When was the last time you recognized all those little moments that have been happening every day and adding up over time? It is easy to evaluate our lives based on what others see of it, but what about each and every moment behind the scenes? So many of us are living our daydreams day in and day out but forget to pay attention as it is unfolding each day. My book can be found on Amazon in hardcopy or Kindle by going to this link: CLICK HERE or simply searching for "Choosing Crazy over Easy."Our new podcast giveaway will ONLY be available to my podcast community. If you purchase through my Vitality or 1st Phorm link, make sure to send me an email to hello@carlyanndell.com with your confirmation and the subject "podcast giveaway." I will enter you into a monthly giveaway of $100! Both links can be found in the bio of my Instagram or here: VITALITY - code CARLY for free shipping, or 1ST PHORM which has free shipping on orders over $75 already linked to it. Thank you in advance if you choose to support me through my links.If you would like to learn more about me or get in touch with me on other social media platforms, you can follow me on instagram @carlyanndell or you can visit my website to skim through some blogs, shop my favorites, grab some free shipping on products, and maybe look over a fitness guide or two at carlyanndell.com. As always, thank you for tuning in! Your feedback and reviews are greatly appreciated! Don't hesitate to reach out with any future topic ideas or any questions about already discussed topics. Make it a great day!

Get Rich Education
418: How To Build A Home

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 10, 2022 43:32


Homebuilder confidence is low. I talk to one today. Then, learn how a home is built. Join our Jacksonville properties webinar Oct. 20th. Sign up free at: GREwebinars.com. Text “GRE” to 66866 for our free “Don't Quit Your Daydream” e-mail letter. After discussing the best place to invest today, learn how a home is actually built. Learn how a home is built: zoning, land acquisition, permitting, engineering, drainage, clearing & grubbing, adding earth fill, soil compaction, trenching, adding sanitary systems, stormwater system, lift station, conduit, electrical, foundation, slab-on-grade, plumbing, framing, block, roof truss.    Homebuilder confidence is low among those that sell to owner-occupants. That's due to higher mortgage interest rates.  Among homebuilders that sell to investors, it's better. Why? Higher rates mean higher rents. Tenant demand for fourplexes is strong. In inflation and a possible recession, more people must live frugally. Get started with new-build Florida income property (SFR to fourplex) with today's guest at: GREmarketplace.com/Southeast. Resources mentioned: Show Notes: www.GetRichEducation.com/418 Today's guest provider offers new-build Florida property at: www.GREmarketplace.com/Southeast Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com JWB's available Florida income property: www.jwbrealestate.com/gre or (904) 677-6777 To learn more about eQRPs: text “GRE” to 307-213-3475 or: eQRP.co Available Central Florida new-build income properties: www.b2rdirect.com Analyze your RE portfolio at (use code “GRE” for 10% off): MyPropertyStats.com  I'd be grateful if you search “how to leave an Apple Podcasts review” and do that for this show. Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our free, wealth-building “Don't Quit Your Daydream Letter”: www.GetRichEducation.com/Letter Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold  

Get Rich Education
404: Financial Independence Day

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 4, 2022 42:34


Your Financial Independence Day happens when your residual income stream amount exceeds your basic monthly expenses. Rental demand is high for three big reasons: rates are rising, stringent mortgage qualification standards, housing undersupply.   I answer three listener questions: Should I make a big down payment? Is borrowing at lower than inflation profitable? What about prepayment penalties? Ridge Lending Group President Caeli Ridge joins us to discuss today's mortgage lending landscape. Today, are ARMs beginning to make more sense than fixed-rate mortgages? We explore. Learn about the cash-out refinance climate. Second mortgages on income properties are still limited. Does it ever make sense to refinance to a higher mortgage interest rate? We discuss. Caeli Ridge thinks mortgage rates will keep rising. Resources mentioned: Show Notes: www.GetRichEducation.com/404 Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 855-74-RIDGE  or e-mail: info@RidgeLendingGroup.com Freddie Mac Includes On-Time Rent Payments Into Underwriting: https://www.housingwire.com/articles/freddie-mac-to-include-on-time-rent-payments-into-underwriting/ Airbnb Enacts Permanent Party Bans: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/28/airbnb-makes-its-party-ban-permanent.html JWB's available Florida income property: www.jwbrealestate.com/gre To learn more about eQRPs: text “GRE” to 307-213-3475 or: eQRP.co By texting “GRE” to 307-213-3475 and opting in, you will receive periodic marketing messages from eQRP Co. Message & data rates may apply. Reply “STOP” to cancel. Make passive income with apartment and other syndications: www.imaccredited.com Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our free, wealth-building “Don't Quit Your Daydream Letter”: www.GetRichEducation.com/Letter Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold Partial transcript: Welcome to GRE! I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. Happy Financial Independence Day on American Independence Day.   I answer some of your most burning listener questions today.    Shifts in the mortgage market could now change your strategy.    Does a cashout refinance to a higher mortgage rate make sense or not?    Is an adjustable rate mortgage actually feasible for you now and lots more… on Get Rich Education. _____________________   Hey, welcome in to GRE. From San Luis Obispo, CA to Saint Louis, Missouri and across 188 nations worldwide, you're back in that abundant place.   And you've got to lead with an abundance mentality around here. How many places can you do that when the scarcity mentality is abundant and the abundance mentality is scarce.    I'm Keith Weinhold. This is Get Rich Education. Though it's American Independence Day… is it your financial independence day.    Are you drawing closer to that day… as you add income streams in your life.   With 8.6% government-admitted inflation and stagnant wages and a higher cost of living… has there EVER been a more important time in your entire life to add an income stream through real estate?   You can make the case that this is the most important time for you to do that.   I am about to answer your listener questions here on July 4th. It's also Episode 404. There's no chance that this becomes an error 404. Some dorky humor there.   First…   Freddie Mac is going to include on-time rent payments into underwriting. Yes! This starts next week.    This is a good thing for you. This incentivizes renters to make on-time payments to you if they ever want to become homeowners.   …and…   Airbnb enacts a permanent ban on parties. They & VRBO have long struggled with what to do about parties.   I just shared those stories with you in Friday's newsletter. If you didn't see them, they're in the Show Notes of today's episode.   Be sure to get our free “Don't Quit Your Daydream” newsletter.   We've been really informing you about so much in the real estate world there. We've also been telling you about our webinars. I know that some of you enjoyed last week's Texas properties webinar.   Stay up-to-date with our newsletter at: GetRichEducation.com/Letter   Now, let me tell you. Back in the year 2004, eighteen years ago. Yes, I was an active REI then. My tenants were increasingly leaving. They were vacating my property and I had to find a new renter.   This was increasingly happening for a few reasons:   #1 is that mortgage rates were falling then.   But secondly, and really the big reason is that anyone could qualify for a loan. Mortgage underwriting standards were so lax that nearly any human could get a loan, even if they had zero income. So… loans were too easy to get.   Then the third reason that my tenants seemed to be vacating is that there was ample supply - and an oversupply of properties - first-time homes - for them to move into.   Well, today, all THREE of those criteria are flip-flopped.   First, mortgage rates are rising.   Second, mortgage qualification standards are tough. Tougher than Kevlar.   And thirdly, there's an undersupply of homes, especially these entry-level homes that make the best FTHB places.   That's precisely why rental demand is sky high today, tenants are not fleeing to become homeowners, rental occupancy is close to 100% in many markets, and rents are rising multiples faster than historic norms.   These phenomena can move you closer to you financial independence day.    I had a group of financing-themed listener questions come in recently, so I want to get to three of those before we talk more about today's lending landscape later. ________________   The first question comes from Dave in Bellingham, Washington.    “Keith, I thought it was good to make a big down payment on a property. That way, I'd have not only less debt, but I'd have the benefit of having a smaller mortgage payment over time.   This means I'd pay less interest over the life of the loan too. Can you tell me more about how FF beats DF?”    That's from Dave.    Good question, Dave. Common question. In fact, there was a time in my life, before I ever owned any real estate where that same line of thinking made complete sense to me.    I even thought, “If I could be mortgage-free and own a property, I'd have it made.”   Dave, let me answer this in a somewhat different way than I've answered it before for other listeners' benefit.  If you can borrow at a 6 or 7% mortgage interest rate, which, after tax deductions might be an effective 5% interest rate, many think that they can beat that in the market over time.   One probably can.   The riskiest thing that a lot of people do by making a big down payment is now they don't have much liquidity. If the cash is already in the home, then that borrower might worry about not having much cash for other disruptions or expenses that come up in life.   The worst one could be, “What if you lose your job and your job was, say, 70 to 100% of your income?”   Now that cash is trapped in the home as equity… and you can better believe that today, banks aren't going to let you access your equity if you don't have a job.   The best way to keep equity separated from your home is to make sure it never goes in there.   The other reality too, is that the more than you borrow, the more you make use of OPM.    So the great question to ask yourself, Dave, is “How big of a real estate portfolio could I ever build if I limit myself to only using my own money… and NOT other people's money?”   We're going to discuss this more later in the show today… but that should provide some sufficient context and food for thought to your question, Dave. Thanks for writing in.   You, the listener, can always contact us with any questions at GetRichEducation.com/Contact ________________   Andrew from New York state had a question through our Contact Page.    Andrew's been an avid listener for quite a while. I remember your name, Andrew. You're a veterinarian from New York state. I hope that we can meet sometime in the future. Andrew asks:   “Is it a true statement to think that even in today's High "er" interest rate environment   any mortgage rate under the rate of inflation roughly 8% is a bargain??   Today ..I am not getting great cash flow...$100/month or break even..on new builds...but still see the upside in RE investing due to its inflationary hedge.” Alright, thanks for that Andrew.   With the first question, is any mortgage rate under the 8% inflation rate a bargain. Well, it could be. Many think that the real rate of inflation - the true diminished PP of the dollar is 15%.    But let's just stick with 8%. Yes, if you get a mortgage at 6 or 7% today, you are effectively being paid to borrow.   That is because with the money that you've borrowed from the bank, over time, you get to repay the bank with dollars that debase on the bank faster than THEIR interest can accrue on you.    That's how it can stealthily build wealth.   The risk associated with that is - besides being most attentive to your personal cash flows, Andrew - is that at some point over your loan term, there's a good chance that inflation will duck back below mortgage interest rates.   We're in this inversion now where the opposite is true. So, enjoy it while it lasts. I'd think of your interest rate being lower than inflation as a short-to-medium term tailwind.   Your second question was about how today, you're not getting great cash flow when you buy a new-build rental property. It might be positive $100 or just a break even. But you still like investing in RE for the inflation hedge.   First, I think of RE as more of an inflation-profiting center than a mere inflation-hedging vehicle. I take you point though… and then…   Yeah, a lower $100 positive cash flow or less on new-builds is lower than what we've all been used to in recent years.   There's a chance that this will widen - certainly no guarantee.   It like how I described a couple weeks ago that we think of the housing market in two waves. First the housing price increase wave hit hard, then there's a trough, then later the rent increase wave hits. The trough between waves is when cash flow is lowest.   Though you can't absolutely count on it, rents are increasing torridly. Andrew, I can tell that you're a close listener just by the words and concepts that you're thinking over in your questions. I love that. Thanks for you longtime following. ________________   The third question comes from JW. This question came from our YouTube Channel so I don't know where you're from JW. But you ask:   Keith, what are your views on PPPs on commercial loans?    On my current 8-unit property I am pursuing, I am getting financing offers that all have PPPs.   OK, thanks for the question JW. I think one reason that I chose your question is because I, myself, have owned an 8-unit apartment building that had a 5-year PPP attached to it.   First of all, let me tell you what a PPP is. And it's funny. I have been at RE meeting in the past and some people that have never heard of them seem incredulous that a PPP even exists.   A prepayment penalty is a fee that some lenders charge if you pay off all or part of your mortgage early. If you have a prepayment penalty, you would have agreed to this when you closed on your home.   Now, in my experience, you don't often see these on loans for 1-4 unit properties.   I commonly see PPPs on 5+ unit apartment buildings and other commercial loan types.   The way that it often works is that your penalty is less severe as each of the five years transpires. It fades.   For example, you'd have a higher penalty if you pay it off in 2 years than the lower penalty would be if you pay it off in 4 years.   Then with a 5-year PPP, that means that your penalty disappears completely if you pay it off AFTER five years.   PPP loans can obviously be a poor choice if you, say, want to add value to a distressed apartment building and do a cash-out refinance in, say two years.   So, therefore, for long-term buy-and-hold strategies, 5-year PPPs often fit.   I've had 5-year PPPs on numerous occasions on my own apartment buildings, and I have never paid any penalty because I have only accepted those penalty conditions when I plan to hold for more than 5 years.   Now that you know about cases when you do and don't want these as part of your loan, maybe you're wondering why banks have PPPs at all.   Lenders charge prepayment penalties to provide a borrower with a disincentive for paying off a loan ahead of time… because that causes lenders to lose out on interest income. Lenders have to commit considerable time to evaluate a borrower and underwrite the loan in the first place.   That's how PPPs work. Thanks for the question, JW.   Stay up-to-date with our newsletter. You can sign up free at: GetRichEducation.com/Letter   We also make sure that you get the 5-part video course where I'm your instructor. It's one video on each of the 5 Ways Real Estate Pays.   What would it look like if I wrote a short letter about weekly… written by me… sent directly to you… that supplemented this show about real estate and personal finance trends and opportunities.   It can help bring you closer to your financial independence day.   Get it & my free video course all in one place at GetRichEducation.com/Letter _________________   Yeah, concise, updated intell from Caeli, as always.   All these markets are constantly changing: The market for housing prices The market for rents The market for mortgages   Working within them can help get you closer to your Financial Independence Day - that day that your real estate income meets or exceeds all of your basic living expenses.   Underwriting guidelines are staying tight, just like they have for more than 10 years now. Dodd-Frank and consumers proving that they have the ability to repay a loan has really helped with that. That's a big reason that the mortgage delinquency rate has fallen to ALL-TIME lows.   In fact, that update on second mortgages on rental properties demonstrates that the market still has a pretty limited appetite for that product.   You might want it but it still comes with low LTVs if you can get them at all.   Some brighter new is that ARMs - Adjustable Rate Mortgages - are making more sense than they used to - when compared to your more typical long-term FRM.   There are both risks and rewards to compare there. I like that the good people over there at Ridge help you with decisions like those.   So many great & important shows coming up here on GRE - the return of Tax Advisor Tom Wheelwright, a 2-person housing market panel comprised of Kathy Fettke and I… and… oh geez, the return of Chris Voss - the hostage negotiator from Masterclass.    Remember when I mock negotiated him for a fourplex building last year right here on the show & I lost… to perhaps the world's top negotiator?   Well, here we go, Chris Voss is returning here to discuss how to negotiate in a housing market when the odds are against you.    What do you think? Should I mock negotiate him again… I don't know. That's awfully entertaining for you but I don't know how many losses I can take publicly like that.    Big thanks to Caeli Ridge today. It's where I go for my own income property loans. You can too, I'm happy to share that with you at RidgeLendingGroup.com   Until next week, I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. Happy Financial Independence Day! Though you might quit your day job, don't quit your day dream!

Get Rich Education
403: How To Build Your Personal Brand with Steve Sims

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 27, 2022 43:09


“You DO care about what others think of you. That's your reputation.” -Keith Weinhold People care about your brand when you create value for them. Next, you must reach people. A construction worker in London decided that he wasn't where he was meant to be in life. He's our guest, Steve D. Sims. He started asking others why they were wealthy but he wasn't. A personal branding expert, Steve tells us why the right brand for you is the “authentic you”. When you meet someone, ask them about themselves. They are their own favorite subject. “A brand is what people say about you when you've left the room.” -Steve Sims Brands are either solution-based or aspirational. Every person has a brand. Donald Trump was well-branded because he had clear slogans like “Make America Great Again” and “Build A Wall”. The lesson? Be clear about who you are or what you stand for. It's OK to know what you're “not”. For example, I didn't know how to hire a COO for GRE and still don't have experience managing people. Resources mentioned: Show Notes: www.GetRichEducation.com/403 Steve Sims' website: https://www.stevedsims.com/ Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 877-74-RIDGE JWB's available Florida income property: CashFlowAndGrowth.com To learn more about eQRPs: text “GRE” to 307-213-3475 or: eQRP.co By texting “GRE” to 307-213-3475 and opting in, you will receive periodic marketing messages from eQRP Co. Message & data rates may apply. Reply “STOP” to cancel. Make passive income with apartment and other syndications: www.imaccredited.com Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our free, wealth-building “Don't Quit Your Daydream Letter”: www.GetRichEducation.com/Letter Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Partial transcript:Welcome to GRE! I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. There's so much to pack into one show today - inflation at its highest rate in over 40 years, the Fed raising interest rates the most in 28 years, rents are going up fast, then GRE's COO Aundrea Newbern & I on our favorite REI resources. Today, on Get Rich Education.   _______________________   Welcome to GRE! I'm your host, Keith Weinhold.   When it comes to developing your personal brand to it's highest potential, what are those traps you might be falling into that have prevented you from doing so. And…   There was once a construction worker in London and one day he realized that this just wasn't where he was meant to be in life.    He contributes to the personal brand discussion today too… on this week's episode of Get Rich Education. ______________   Welcome to GRE! From Franklin, MA to Franklin, TN and across 188 nations worldwide… I'm Keith Weinhold.    With more than 4 million listens, though you're tuned into one of America's longest-running and most listened-to real estate shows, today, it's about how to develop your personal brand which applies most anywhere.   There are a few definitions of a brand. A more strict one is that a brand is an intangible marketing or business concept that helps people identify a company, product, or individual.   OK, I guess that's pretty good. Another definition of a brand I've heard that I like is: “Your unique promise kept over time.” That's what a brand is.   A big part of keeping promises is doing what you say you're going to do. Therefore, it's a commitment.   In my mind, a big part of that is keeping your appointments.    If I'm going to collaborate with someone and we have a pre-determined date & time, I put that on my calendar and I would not change that commitment unless some inordinate or unusual circumstance came up.   That person trusted me with their time and I trusted them with my time. If someone tells me later that they'd like to re-schedule with me, well, often I don't do it.    With all the choices I have for spending my time, their wavering commitment doesn't really reflect so well on their personal brand.   Also, other people would have liked to have that time with me & they couldn't get it because I already committed it to that person that wanted to cancel or postpone.   People that have their act together, well-branded people, commit and show up on time.   I'll give you an example of a well-branded person that keeps commitments - whether you like him or not, in my experience, that is, yep, Rich Dad, Poor Dad author Robert Kiyosaki.   Robert & I have done a bunch of collaborations in the past, I used to be a writer for the Rich Dad Advisors, he's been a guest right here with us on the GRE Podcast four times.   Not once have we tried to re-schedule or cancel an appointment on each other.    Even if we plan something a month in advance, we keep it. We don't have to send each other reminders. It was put on our calendar at the time we made the appointment, so what more do you need?   And you wonder why that guy is so successful. Well, one reason could be that he keeps commitments.    Now, when it comes to your personal brand - which includes your belief systems, your values, commitment levels, there's one thing that some people need to “get over” - and I think that Hal Elrod & I touched on this here on the show 3 weeks ago.   It's this myth. There are people that brashly say, “Hey, I don't care about what other people think of me.”    Oh, that's wrong. You do too care about what other people think. Because that's your reputation.    It can be interesting to see the person that says they didn't care about what other people think, say, have a fake social media account made up impersonating their likeness and embarrassing them.   You had better believe that person that said they don't care about what other people think… frantically tries to point out that, “Hey, I don't want you thinking that was me over there spamming you.” Someone is impersonating my account.    “Oh, well didn't you just say that you don't care about what other people think?” See you did care… and you should. That's your reputation.   What if you own a restaurant & people leave negative reviews about your business & you as a businessperson, you care.   DO CARE… about what others think. That's honesty. But yeah, don't care too much.    People will care about your brand when they know that you can bring them value. When you start with creating value first, second is how are you going to reach people, and then thirdly, it's how are you going to create income.   It's value, reach, then income. 1-2-3   I'm reaching you right now with this show. In fact, there was a time, between 5 & 10 years ago, that even by having a show like this, one could create value, reach, and income.   For new entrants, those days are gone. The podcast landscape became saturated a few years ago and it's almost impossible to get substantial reach today.    For startups today, a podcast is a lot like a website was 20 years ago.   Neither one stands out just by virtue of having one.    You can have a website just like you can have a podcast, but anymore, how would you ever get enough website visitors to make a difference or how would you attract enough podcast listeners to make a difference.   Even celebrities that have name brand recognition that have crossed over and started podcasts usually don't get much traction anymore. They are drowned out in a saturated field.   So if you want your brand to reach people today, well, that's a really long discussion and this isn't a marketing show. So I'd start with just two pieces of guidance:   #1 - Look for that new media source that isn't crowded today. It might be that “next” media type. For a while, people thought that it might be voice-activated media like Alexa or Siri. I don't really know that that's getting traction like some thought. But that's the way to be thinking. “What's next?”   Secondly, if you know of a thought leader that wants to get their message out with a podcast today, rather than starting their own show and entering a crowded field… gosh, starting your own show, you could spin your wheels with many episodes and unlike a website that doesn't need to be constantly updated…   … a podcast takes regular releases, and production, advertising, sound engineering and marketing, transcription, and a support network of complimentary resources from video to social media and more.   Well, I've got a great shortcut to that… in the podcasting world that will save you a lot of time, money, and frustration.   If you know someone that wants to get their message out through a podcast today, the big shortcut is to be a guest on another show that already has a big following.   That way, you've outsourced all of the production and marketing and everything else to a proven channel. That can save you hundreds or thousands of hours in your life.   Rather than starting a podcast, be a guest on a few big name shows.   Now that you know how you're going to provide value to the world, you've got your reach too.   Hey, I've got more thoughts like this for you on building your personal brand. Before I share those, let's talk to today's remarkable guest on how to build your personal brand. ___________   Oh, yeah, a really interesting interview with Steve Sims today.   One thing we discussed is that you can't snap your fingers and instantly make yourself someone that you're not. It's about gradually being who you are becoming.   Now, here at GRE, our show keeps growing and about two years ago, I needed to make a new key hire to run the internal operations here so that I could have enough time clear to make the best content for you every week.   But, gosh, I really didn't know how to make a quality hire here - like, to bring in an experienced pro.   Realizing I didn't even know how to hire someone, I looked around my network of people… and I knew that Ken McElroy had employed a Hiring Manager, Jennifer, to help him and I tapped her so that Jennifer could find a COO for GRE.    Jennifer & I worked on the position advertisement, she interviewed the top candidates, narrowed it down to three, and Aundrea was selected.   Then I got Garrett Sutton to help me write the work contract.   So, I had acknowledged that hiring a top pro was beyond my skillset.   And Aundrea is such a professional here - she has her MBA too - that when GRE added more staff later, she's the one that does the interviewing - not me.   And then… continuing in this vein of, “Don't pretend to be someone you're not.”   When we make a new hire here at GRE, I don't pretend like I have some lofty corporate experience at knowing how to run things around here.   When I first talk to that new hire here, I simply tell them the truth. I say something like:   “I found myself with a show here that a lot of people seem to like to listen to… but don't have any experience managing people. So I really want you to feel comfortable in speaking up when you think I could be doing something better.” Yeah, I tell everyone something like that.   Alright, well, what did that just do when I told them this?    First, it's honesty. It makes me more comfortable It made the new hire more comfortable And finally, I'm not pretending to be someone that I'm not. When I was in the working world, I didn't climb up the corporate ladder. I didn't get that corporate experience. Instead, I decided to leave that world behind.   Steve made a terrific point at the end about brand clarity - being clear on what your brand stands for - whether that's your personal brand or your company's brand.   I told you near the start of the show that commitment & respecting other people's time is a big part of my personal brand. Certainly, attention to detail too.   GRE's brand clarity is in four words: Real Estate Financial Freedom. Those four words tell you where you & I are going together & how you're getting there too.   Once you're in the GRE world and tribe, then we can get more nuanced, for example, with our strategy and brand of “FF beats DF”. And with that, you see how “RE FF” is achieved faster.   I sign off each show with “Don't Quit Your Daydream” and it's a trademark that we own here at GRE.   So the point is, be clear and memorable in order to have a successful brand for yourself.   This doesn't have to be that well-developed and you don't have to have terms trademarked to have a strong brand.   Juan, my landscaper wacks all the weeds along my fence and doesn't leave any clippings behind. I can see that his brand was there - imprinted in my backyard.   Speaking of some other well-branded real estate figures, if you want to listen to Grant Cardone & I together here on the show, where we 10X your wealth together, he was with us on Episode 264.   Robert Kiyosaki's latest appearance here on GRE was last year. You will find he & I together most recently on Episode 358.    As far as today's chat, you might be interested in SEEING Steve Sims & I's chat from today other than just listening to the audio here. It might help reinforce some of these branding concept for you.   He's also just a really interesting figure to see and listen to. You can do that on your YouTube Channel… which is really easy to find and remember… because we're - I suppose - consistently-branded - ha!   That's because our YouTube Channel is called “Get Rich Education”. I'd expect that video to be published there by about now.   Personal branding means that there is… perhaps… a better investment than leveraged income property.   That investment… is YOU.   Until next week, I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. Don't Quit Your Daydream!  

Get Rich Education
402: Rents Surging Faster Than Home Prices, Inflation & Interest Rates Soar, Investor Resources

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 20, 2022 42:32


For many, it's become a scary world with $5-$6 gas, soaring food prices, spiking rents, the medical system is still a mess, and wages aren't keeping up with inflation. Inflation is at a 40-year high of 8.6%. The Fed raised rates ¾%, the biggest jump in 28 years. For every $1M in real estate debt that you have, you're benefiting $86,000 each year due to your debt debasement. Affordability has become so bad for wannabe first-time home buyers that increasingly, they're becoming your renter. Many project rent growth to exceed home price growth this year. Rent.com's Rent Report shows a 26% annual rent increase nationally. Every 1% in a mortgage rate increase decreases a buyer's purchasing power by 12%. GRE's COO Aundrea Newbern, MBA joins me. We discuss our favorite RE information sources. Aundrea expects to diversify her RE portfolio into more markets. She's been focused on southeast Georgia. Some RE resources we use: www.city-data.com, US Census Bureau data, CNBC.com, HousingWire.com, FRED data, the MLS, AirDNA.co, GREmarketplace.com. When considering adding to your RE portfolio, simply talking to a Property Manager can be more valuable than the best website. Aundrea sees a balanced market at prices $250K+, and a sellers' market at prices below $250K in southeast Georgia. Days On Market (DOM), Sale-To-List Price Ratio discussed. LTRs are in high demand and low supply. STRs are saturated in many markets. Resources mentioned: Show Notes: www.GetRichEducation.com/402 Rent.com's Rent Report: https://www.rent.com/research/average-rent-price-report/ Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 877-74-RIDGE JWB's available Florida income property: CashFlowAndGrowth.com To learn more about eQRPs: text “GRE” to 307-213-3475 or: eQRP.co By texting “GRE” to 307-213-3475 and opting in, you will receive periodic marketing messages from eQRP Co. Message & data rates may apply. Reply “STOP” to cancel. Make passive income with apartment and other syndications: www.imaccredited.com Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our free, wealth-building “Don't Quit Your Daydream Letter”: www.GetRichEducation.com/Letter Our YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/c/GetRichEducation Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Partial transcript: Welcome to GRE! I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. There's so much to pack into one show today - inflation at its highest rate in over 40 years, the Fed raising interest rates the most in 28 years, rents are going up fast, then GRE's COO Aundrea Newbern & I on our favorite REI resources. Today, on Get Rich Education.   _______________________   Welcome to GRE! From Auckland, NZ to Oakland, CA and across 188 nations worldwide. This is Get Rich Education. I'm your host, Keith Weinhold.   Before I discuss real estate, what's happening with inflation & interest rates is so exceptional that I want to cover this first.   When the latest inflation reading came in at 8.6%, it dashed hopes that it's peaked. We have no evidence that it's peaked.   And as I like to say, that 8.6% is just the level that the government is willing to admit to. It's really higher.   It's the third month in a row that it has exceeded 8%.   Treasury Secretary Janet "Grandma" Yellen has already warned of what she calls "unacceptable levels of inflation".   And Yellen looks like my late Grandma Weinhold. Yeah, they look a lot alike. One difference though, is that Grandma was not wrong about inflation.    Another difference between my grandmother and Yellen is that… Janet Yellen never gave me Star Wars action figures on Christmas like my Grandma did.   Well, for many people, especially in the lower middle class, it's become a scary world with devastating $5-6 gas, soaring food prices and spiking rents. (I'll get to that shortly). The medical system is still a mess. Wages are up perhaps only 5%.   Their quality of life is really suffering now.   Libertarians point out that fiat inflation is theft of one's private property. You earned a dollar. Now your prosperity has been stolen.   Sneaky shrinkflation is stealing from you too. Yeah, you're not imagining it,    Gatorade has trimmed its 32 ounce bottles down to 28 ounces. A small box of Kleenex has shrunk from 65 tissues down to 60.    Package sizes are shrinking faster than Lake Mead, all while producers charge the same price or more. That's what shrinkflation means.   It's become an awful economic malady for consumers.   So, let's talk about higher interest rates since that's what can keep inflation from soaring.   Many interest rate types are based off of the Federal Funds Rate.   Now, I like to look at history to see what typically happens in like scenarios. History doesn't tell you everything, but many people don't look at it.   Rewinding three years, this rate was hiked up to 2.5% by early 2019… and the stock market was freaking out by then. Trump even demanded a rate cut. He got it and that, turned stocks around.   Yes, Presidents are supposed to stay independent of the Fed, but, in any case…   Just last week, the Fed Funds Rate was raised up to 1.75%... and the stock and crypto markets have already taken a swan dive off the high board.   Everyone thinks that rates are going to be raised again at the next Fed meeting next month.   So how do you think that equity markets are going to like that? History shows us that they don't.   But see, history shows us that even when the Fed Funds Rate is raised to 10%, it can take years to quell inflation.   Commodities like housing, food, and energy, often excel in either inflationary times or recessionary times.   That's where you want to be. Buy & own what people need, not what they want.   These things have a finite supply. Bringing them into existence takes "proof of work".    Proof of work means that it takes real world resources to extract or produce something—like framing roof trusses, growing timber for lumber, mining gold, extracting oil, or growing wheat.    If you held any of these commodities individually, you might merely hedge inflation.   But if you can control an entire commodity by only putting one-quarter or one-fifth of your "skin in the same", then you get to short the dollar too.   "Shorting" means that you're betting that something is going to fall in value—the dollar in this case.   Now you're creating leverage and arbitrage. You're really profiteering from inflation ehre.   Real estate is like a basket of commodities. It is made of: lumber and copper and glass and all kinds of commodities.   So, if you have $1M in real estate debt, it's now being debased at a rate of 8.6%. Great.   This effect alone has increased your prosperity by $86,000 this year—$86,000 this year alone, and that's besides appreciation, income, tax benefits, and amortization.   Yeah, you've got an $86K tailwind.   Do you remember back in 2019 when I did the podcast episode called The Debt Decamillionaire? It was Episode 260. You might remember that episode.   That's when I touted the counterintuitive merits of taking out $10M in real estate debt... with the payments outsourced to tenants.   Now, I know that not everyone has the wherewithal to do that. But if you were able to implement that plan, it has now created an extra $860,000 of annual wealth for you.   Yes, as one of just five ways you're paid.   If you think that sounds scary - or unconventional - it's definitely unconventional. Because being conventional gets one nowhere.   So, though you might have not been able to amass that much good debt, I was ahead of the inflation, helping you get out in front of it to take advantage of it. Of course, I talked about it well before 2019 too.   And, no, I sure didn't know that a pandemic was coming in 2020 and it was going to bring all this inflation this quickly… but that is how things worked out.   Now, if you're uninitiated on this, if you originate $10M in loans, understand something. Your net worth didn't just decrease by $10M on the day that you got the loan.    The day that you originate the loan, what happens is that you've now got $10M in your asset column and $10M in your debt column.   Leverage amplifies the $10M in your asset column… and then your debt column erodes through both tenant-made principal paydown - and this higher inflation.   Maybe I'm stretching your thinking just merely by discussing 8-figure debt like that.   So why is someone really compelled to be a real estate investor today?   One big reason is that soaring inflation is going to be around for a while.   So last Wednesday, when the Fed raised interest rates three-quarters of 1% - their highest daily increase since 1994.   Understand that higher interest rates decrease demand. There's another name for substantially decreased demand. That is called a recession. I don't know if we'll get that far.   Now, capitalism is not inherently inflationary.   Sure, as employers' demand for labor rises, that's inflationary.   But as businesses compete to offer goods and services at the lowest price - which is capitalism - that's deflationary.   Libertarians are quick to point out that America has too much government intervention to be considered a truly capitalist economy anymore. That's a different conversation.   But some have speculated that politicians are plotting another stimulus check drop on American citizens so that they can deal with inflation.   I really hope that they do not do that. Sheesh, this would be a policy blunder. This would be like shooting a man that's already dead.   This absurd approach of "printing up currency" would be to help people deal with the consequences of... "printing up currency".   If you think that's preposterous, well…   Quebec is actually doing this. They're issuing $500 stimulus checks to help the Canadian province's residents deal with inflation.   Yeah, that's really happening.    Soaring gas prices aren't just painful for summer road-trippers. Because fuel is a critical input for so many goods and services, higher costs are causing havoc across the economy in a lot of places that you wouldn't expect it… Aviation: Airfares in the US skyrocketed 19% in April from a month earlier, an increase that is almost exclusively driven by a jump in jet fuel prices, United CEO Scott Kirby said. Now, you might have expected that one. But get this… Law enforcement: A sheriff's department in Michigan instructed its deputies to cut back on visits for non-urgent calls because it had blasted through its fuel budget with months remaining until a new one kicks in. (Yeah, inflation affecting law enforcement!) Emergency services: An ambulance crew in Pittsburgh said it was limiting its service outside of 911 calls after facing a similar budget crunch. Its fuel expense for the full year is typically $50,000, and it's already got close to that entering June. Landscaping: Lawnmowers and trimmers use gas to make your front yard the envy of the neighborhood. But after absorbing all of the cost increases they can, some landscapers have slapped a surcharge on customers, and others are even looking into electric mowers and propane as an alternative fuel. In any case, a look at history tells us that we could be in for high inflation for a full decade.   So make financial decisions accordingly.   Risk assets are typically really sensitive to big moves in inflation and interest rates.   Major stock indices are down, down, down.   And cryptocurrencies are in an all-out historic meltdown. They're more volatile than stocks, and many have lost 50%-60%+ of their value just this year.  Crypto trading platforms have halted withdrawals Companies cut jobs Panicked investors dumped their holdings The public is finally dismissing promoters' claims of "Hey, I made $50k on doodoo coin. So you can you!". You don't really hear that lately.   Let's Go Brandon Coin, now worth $0.00. And “Let's Go Brandon” coin makes Dogecoin look like some sort of respectable family heirloom.   I actually still think bitcoin could have some potential, but…   So then where to look? Where do you go for yield today?   Some feel that the "true rate of inflation" is 15% today. Then that's how much prosperity you lose by storing cash.   (I believe it's wise to hold at least 3-5% of your real estate portfolio's value in cash.)   One place could be oil if you think there's still a runup to be had there. But oil has performed well so far this year. Gold still hasn't really awakened despite inflation.   What you can do… is…   Follow the money. Big institutional buyers like American Homes 4 Rent keep plowing money into real estate, especially single-family rental homes.   That's historically the place to be in times of either high inflation or a recession.   Though the institutional share is increasing, the overwhelming majority of homes are still bought by individuals just like you.   In the fourth quarter of 2021, institutional buyers only comprised 18% of home purchases.    As affordability clamps down on wannabe first-time homebuyers, unfortunately, many of these fine people never make it to the closing table.   Every 1% in a mortgage rate increase decreases a buyer's PP by 12%.   Mortgage interest rates are now 6%+ on OOs, about 7% on rentals. I believe that the only way houses are going to get more affordable anytime soon is if mortgage rates come down. That's because home prices aren't coming down anytime soon.   So what do these priced-out people do? Increasingly, they become your renter.    Rent price growth is predicted to outpace home price growth this year.   Though some measures are lower, Rent.com's Rent Report shows an astounding 26% annual national rent increase.   While a lot of major markets are struggling with a streak of Fed rate hikes that could drag on longer than the final two minutes of an NBA game...   ...for real estate investors, the rent just keeps flowing in.    And here's what it comes down to. Picture this. Like I've discussed before, first home prices rise, and then rents follow later.   Picture two waves. Say that these two waves are 18 months apart. The first wave is home prices. Today, prices are still climbing but the wave has likely crested.   That second wave that's coming in now are the torrid rent price increases.   The trough between the two waves is where the cash flow is worst on new purchases.   And now the second wave - that rent increase wave - is building.    That's the ah… seafaring here in the rental housing market ocean if you will.    Hey, In the past, I've discussed where I've invested and what RE types I like to own. Why don't we hear from GRE's own COO Aundrea Newbern, MBA about how she's positioning her portfolio in this environment of normalizing prices & spiking rents.  Also, she & I will discuss some of our favorite resources & websites for real estate info. That's straight ahead. I'm Keith Weinhold. You're listening to Episode 402 of Get Rich Education! __________________ Yeah, great stuff from Aundrea, as always.  We discussed markets. Of course, it's about the submarket too. As an example, maybe you don't feel like Erie, PA or Toledo, OH or Grand Rapids, MI are fast-growing markets.  Actually, I think Grand Rapids, for one, is growing, but the point is, that even if a metro has a stable population but it's, say, medical district is booming - like a lot of cities' medical districts are… you may very well be better off in an OK metro with a booming medical SUBmarket than you are elsewhere. It's often about that SUBmarket within a metro that really matters to you. There aren't too many places that you can invest & get yield today. But high inflation is the motivator to do so.  Create one login, one time, it's free & get access to all of our provider at GREmarketplace.com For everyone here… COO Aundrea Newbern, MBA, Content Manager Matthew Blunt, Producer - me &, Sound Engineer, Investment Coach Naresh Vissa, Website Marvin Diaz Jr, Advertising Jake Madoff, I'm your host Keith Weinhold.  Don't Quit Your Daydream!    

Normal Guy, Lazy Eye
78. Kelsie Gagner | Don't Quit your Daydream

Normal Guy, Lazy Eye

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 27, 2022 61:36


This episode is Sponsored by TYR! Head over to tyr.com and use code: JERODIG10OFF for 10% off at checkout! On this week's episode, Jerod is joined by Kelsie Gagner, the Host of the Crime with a K Podcast. We're diving into some new waters for this show talking all about the obsession known as True Crime! Buckle up because this one is going to be spooky!! Follow Crime with a K on Instagram Follow Kelsie on Instagram If you're liking what you're hearing, and want to support this podcast, the best thing you can do is share our podcast. We're growing mostly from word of mouth, so please let your friends and family know about this show! Leaving a 5-star review really helps us get seen on Podcast Apps! You can now rate us on Spotify! NORMAL GUY, LAZY EYE MERCH House Enterprise Website --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/normalguylazyeye/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/normalguylazyeye/support

Get Rich Education
387: How To Make Millions With 1031 Exchanges

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 7, 2022 39:21


The greatest tax gift that your government gives real estate investors could be the 1031 Like Kind Exchange. This allows you to defer your capital gains tax and depreciation recapture. There is no limit to the number of times that you can do this during your lifetime. You can make millions more with 1031 Exchanges. But there are some specific rules to follow, like the 45-day identification period and 180-day timeframe in which to close upon replacement property. You must use a Qualified Intermediary (QI) to facilitate your exchange. Learn the pitfalls that nullify one from doing an exchange.  This is a highly educational show.  Resources mentioned: Show Notes: www.GetRichEducation.com/387 Get started with a 1031 Exchanges: www.GREmarketplace.com/1031 Sign up for our free “Don't Quit Your Daydream” newsletter: www.GetRichEducation.com/Letter Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 877-74-RIDGE JWB's available Florida income property: CashFlowAndGrowth.com To learn more about eQRPs: text “EQRP” in ALL CAPS to 72000 or: eQRP.co By texting “EQRP” to 72000 and opting in, you will receive periodic marketing messages from eQRP Co. Message & data rates may apply. Reply “STOP” to cancel. New Const. Florida SFHs & multifamilies: www.B2Rdirect.com Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our free, wealth-building “Don't Quit Your Daydream Letter”: www.GetRichEducation.com/Letter Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold

Get Rich Education
386: Today's Mortgage Lending Landscape with Caeli Ridge

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 28, 2022 38:56


Residential and warehouse real estate have been two hot sectors. With spiking house prices, investors are pushing out first-time home buyers. This increases the size of the renter pool. Historically, when mortgage rates rise, so do home prices. It's the opposite of what most people think. For income property loans, get started at: RidgeLendingGroup.com Learn what it takes to qualify for a conventional loan on investment property: down payment, credit score, debt-to-income ratio, etc. There's an update on today's refinance climate. Appraisals are generally keeping up with today's hotter appreciation rates. Learn about the easiest loan to qualify for that you've potentially ever experienced - the “DSCR”.  Resources mentioned: Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com or call 877-74-RIDGE Sign up for our free “Don't Quit Your Daydream” newsletter: www.GetRichEducation.com/Letter Show Notes: www.GetRichEducation.com/episode/386 JWB's available Florida income property: CashFlowAndGrowth.com To learn more about eQRPs: text “EQRP” in ALL CAPS to 72000 or: eQRP.co By texting “EQRP” to 72000 and opting in, you will receive periodic marketing messages from eQRP Co. Message & data rates may apply. Reply “STOP” to cancel. New Const. Florida SFHs & multifamilies: www.B2Rdirect.com Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our free, wealth-building “Don't Quit Your Daydream Letter”: www.GetRichEducation.com/Letter Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold

Get Rich Education
385: Will Higher Mortgage Rates Crash Housing? Snowballing Effect Of Growing Your Portfolio

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 21, 2022 40:46


Inflation hit its highest since 1982. The government admits that the CPI is now 7.5%.  Even if your wages don't keep up proportionally with inflation, learn about how to profit from inflation with real estate. What happens when your tenant can't afford today's higher rents? You get answers.  Get my prediction on what will happen in a higher interest rate environment. Our COO Aundrea Newbern, MBA, joins us. She tells us about the snowball effect of scaling up your real estate portfolio. In a tight market with low real estate inventory, rather than the buyer waiving their inspection, it's often better to shorten your due diligence period. Aundrea tells us how to pay yourself a W-2 salary through your LLC. This helps you qualify for more mortgage loans. E-mail Aundrea about finding Georgia income property at: info@getricheducation.com Resources mentioned: Sign up for our free “Don't Quit Your Daydream” newsletter: www.GetRichEducation.com/Letter Show Notes: www.GetRichEducation.com/episode/385 Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com JWB's available Florida income property: CashFlowAndGrowth.com To learn more about eQRPs: text “EQRP” in ALL CAPS to 72000 or: eQRP.co By texting “EQRP” to 72000 and opting in, you will receive periodic marketing messages from eQRP Co. Message & data rates may apply. Reply “STOP” to cancel. New Const. Florida SFHs & multifamilies: www.B2Rdirect.com Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our free, wealth-building “Don't Quit Your Daydream Letter”: www.GetRichEducation.com/Letter Top Properties & Providers: GREmarketplace.com Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold

Get Rich Education
356: How To Reduce Property Insurance Costs

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 2, 2021 39:48


You achieved 95% total rate of return if you bought a turnkey property one year ago, on average.  How can that be true? It's the “Five Ways Real Estate Pays” revisited. Get our free, wealth-building “Don't Quit Your Daydream” newsletter. It's the real estate industry's best at: GetRichEducation.com/Letter Doug Fudge joins us. He's President and CEO of Fudge Insurance. They are a brokerage where customers get a choice of insurance provider. Fudge provides insurance in: CA, CO, FL, GA, NC, TN and KY. He suggests higher deductibles and lower premiums for well-off investors. Doug & I discuss trade-offs between replacement cost and actual cash value insurance. Vacant land is generally not insured. Every policyholder in Florida has had a rate increase in the last year. This is largely due to frivolous lawsuits. Get a lower insurance rate with property that is: new-build, concrete block (not frame), further inland (not coastal), hip roof (not gable). Flood and earthquake coverage are separate policies. We discuss how to administer renters' insurance and umbrella insurance policies. Learn which insurance document you should never sign. Resources mentioned: Show Notes: www.GetRichEducation.com/356 Fudge Insurance: www.FudgeInsurance.com (407) 965-4253 Get mortgage loans for investment property: RidgeLendingGroup.com JWB's available Florida income property: www.CashFlowAndGrowth.com eQRPs: text “EQRP” in ALL CAPS to 72000 or: eQRP.co By texting “EQRP” to 72000 and opting in, you will receive periodic marketing messages from eQRP Co. Message & data rates may apply. Reply “STOP” to cancel. Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Get our free, wealth-building “Don't Quit Your Daydream Letter”: www.GetRichEducation.com/Letter Top Properties & Providers: GREturnkey.com Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith's personal Instagram: @keithweinhold

Working Girl Talk
Don't Quit Your Daydream with Sage Aubrey, handbag designer & founder of SAGE AUBREY

Working Girl Talk

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 25, 2021 59:48


ICON ALERT! Handbag designer, entrepreneur, mother, CEO, creator of the #SAGESQUAD -- the iconic Sage Loman joins us today! Sage launched her brand, SAGE AUBREY in 2015. The company was founded on the philosophy that women deserve honestly priced luxury. The brand is built on the foundations of quality, craftsmanship and kindness to the planet and women.   On This Episode: - Sage's early start in entrepreneurship - Letting go of naysayers & negative energy - How she actually started creating product - Staying relevant as a brand - And so much more!   FOLLOW Sage Aubrey @thesageaubrey FOLLOW Working Girl Talk @workinggirltalk   This Week's News: - Warby Parker is going public (Axios) - So is SweetGreen (Axios) - And so is BuzzFeed (CNBC) - Amazon's new audio purchase (Podnews) - Do chance meetings at the office boost innovation? (The New York Times)

Get Rich Education
309: Is Homeownership A Scam? (Rent vs. Own)

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 7, 2020 42:26


Should you rent or own your home?  Host Keith Weinhold reveals the biggest homeowner myths. Complete episode transcript below. Read along. Resources mentioned: Business Insider: Rent vs. Own: https://www.businessinsider.com/buying-a-home-instead-of-renting-isnt-always-better-for-your-savings-2017-11 Housing Wire: Homeowners Wish They Were Renting: https://www.housingwire.com/articles/49743-quarter-of-us-homeowners-wish-they-were-renting-instead/ Mortgage Loans: RidgeLendingGroup.com QRPs: text “QRP” in ALL CAPS to 72000 or: eQRP.co By texting “QRP” to 72000 and opting in, you will receive periodic marketing messages from eQRP Co. Message & data rates may apply. Reply “STOP” to cancel. New Construction Turnkey Property: NewConstructionTurnkey.com Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Top Properties & Providers: GREturnkey.com Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith’s personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Welcome to Get Rich Education. I’m your host, Keith Weinhold. Is homeownership a sham? Is it a rip-off?    When it comes to the home that you live in yourself, is it better for you to pay rent to a landlord, or own that home yourself?    For your primary residence, what should you do in your specific life situation? You’ll learn today … on Get Rich Education.   ——————-   Welcome to GRE! From Syracuse, Sicily, Italy to Syracuse, New York and across 188 nations worldwide. I’m Keith Weinhold, this is Get Rich Education.   Usually on this show, you learn about how buy-and-hold rental property, when bought strategically - produces wealth. We’ll return to that next week, but today ...   … it’s about your primary residence. And, when we talk about, should you own your home or is it better for you to pay rent to a landlord - think about how important this is.    Because whether I’ve had the chance to meet you yet or not, there’s one thing that I definitely know about you, and that is, you are always going to live … somewhere.   Your housing expense is one of the biggest financial expenses in your life.      Despite that it’s such a substantial financial decision for you, some people revert to orthodoxy - this FLAWED orthodoxy where they think that owning is always better. That’s not true.   I really want you to watch your mind as I tell you this today, because there are very likely a few tripwires installed there … and I am about to hit some of them. So do your best to remain calm … if you must.   Though more people are waking up to the fact that renting is sometimes better, I still think that popular culture has long reinforced this misplaced notion that owning is always better.      “Are you a homeowner, Greg? No. I rent. Oh.”    Haha! That’s from the classic comedy movie “Meet The Parents”. Owen Wilson & Ben Stiller - while Robert De Niro - the future father-in-law was party to that chat where he’s thinking that the homeowner is the more apropos suitor for his daughter than the renter is.    Look, if you can OWN a home and your monthly housing payment is $2,500, but you could instead PAY RENT on an equivalent home for $1,500 - now your cash flow has increased by $1,000. That’s money in your pocket today that could be re-invested at a rate of return.   Now with your $2,500 housing payment in this example - that’s more than just a mortgage payment remember.    When you own, your HOUSING payment consists of mortgage principal & interest, property tax, property insurance, maintenance, repairs, utilities and more. You’ve got to add all that up to get to $2,500.    What about that TIME it took you on HOW to repair the leaky faucet when you owned the home? Factor that in.   Now, the homeowner might reply, but at least part of my $2,500 payment is building equity for me. Yes, it is. A minority of that payment is building equity. You’d rather have equity - you’d rather have principal paydown than lose it to interest.    And you’d rather have equity than nothing.   But, as I’ve discussed extensively elsewhere - so I won’t do that again here - home equity is unsafe, illiquid, and it’s rate of return is always zero.   You can probably repeat that to me at this point - ha!    Also, what’s more important in your life? Cash flow or equity? Cash flow is what creates financial freedom. As an investor in the pursuit of freedom, in fact, you want to CONVERT your equity to cash flow.    Remember, in this $1,500 rent payment vs. $2,500 housing payment scenario on your primary residence … it’s the renter that has the additional $1,000 cash flow and the homeowner that builds the equity.   Let me remind you. If you would like to READ along as you listen to the show today or you know someone that’s hearing impaired, you can read the complete transcript to this episode at GetRichEducation.com/309.    That’s GetRichEducation.com/309 to see all the Show Notes and the entire written transcript for this episode.    Well, some people think that buying & owning their primary residence is: "LIke paying rent. Except you get to keep it." Well,that has caused millions of people to buy houses that they later regret.    I know a young, married couple - Jerome and Jessica - they’ve got two kids. They wanted to move from snowy Anchorage, Alaska to Las Vegas, Nevada. They had lived their entire lives in Anchorage and were tired of the snow and wanted some heat.    You think that they might discover an overcorrection problem, btw? Vegas is in the middle of the Mojave Desert. But anyway ...   They had owned their Anchorage home for five years before they put it up for sale. That was the first home that they ever owned - starter home.   Had they been renting that home - they could have moved where they wanted to in as little as a month.    But as homeowners, by the time they made all the make-ready repairs to the home, got it listed for sale, had to repeatedly prepare their home for showings - meaning they had to intermittently get their home in pristine condition to make it look good for showings - uprooting their lives every time … they finally sold it in 4-½ months by the time their buying got their financing in order & inspections & appraisal & the deal actually closed.   If Jerome and Jessica had been renters instead, they could have been on their way in a month.   Plus, over the five years, their home appreciated a little, but not enough to offset the 4% closing costs when they had bought five years earlier, all the maintenance & repairs that they had put into place DURING the five years they lived there, plus then they then had to pay a real estate agent a 5% commission when they sold.   They not only lost money by owning, they lost time, they lost mobility. They didn’t have liquidity.   For Jerome and Jessica, they got a lesson. “Paying rent is not the same as throwing money away.”   Well, I can tell you, Jerome and Jessica moved to Vegas one year ago now. They have been renting from Day One there, they’re still renting, and they have no plans to buy in Vegas anytime soon.   “Paying rent is not throwing money away” because you get the BENEFIT as using that space as a home, a place to sleep, prepare food, eat, shower, study, entertain - how in the world is that throwing money away? It isn’t.    You know that I’ve told you on this show before that paying rent is not throwing money away just like the five hour flight that you took from Boston to Phoenix last year wasn’t throwing money away.   No one called it throwing money away when you paid $500 to “rent” that airline seat for five hours. Why, because you had the BENEFIT of travelling somewhere.   Sheesh, how far are people going to take it with this nonsense that “Paying rent is like throwing money away?”   Your gym membership is $50 a month. But you didn’t get to take a set of the 40-pound hex dumbbells home after six months of membership did you?   Gosh, how far would you take this nonsense line of reasoning?   You like to go mini-golfing? I’ll bet that you paid some portion of your fee to rent the put-put club and a little orange golf ball for two hours.   How are you going to think - that you now expect to own equity in a put-put golf club that’s all nicked-up and was used by 80 different people? Sheesh, that’s ridiculous.    You had the benefit of a gym membership because you’re healthier. You had the benefit of mini-golfing because you like some recreation. You didn’t throw money away.   What about renting an RV for a week? You didn’t throw money away. You had the benefit of using it.   This whole misguided notion that paying rent for a place to live is throwing money away is a … replete farce.    But that also doesn’t mean that renting your primary residence is always better than owning either.    Well, let me give you some numbers here. This will help you debunk that notion that - ad infin-I-tum, homeownership is better.   Look, in a place like Manhattan’s Tribeca neighborhood, a small apartment has, just for simplicity, say a rent-to-value ratio of three-tenths of one-percent.   That’s a lousy deal if you’re the landlord and an awesome deal if you’re the renter.    So, what that means is that market rent is only $300 per $100K worth of property. That’s that three-tenths of 1%.   That ratio might then be $3,000 of rent on a $1M apartment in Tribeca, Manhattan.   But look, in a place like Memphis, Tennessee or Little Rock Arkansas, the rent-to-value ratio might be a full 1%.    Now see, if you’re a renter here, you’d have to pay $1,000 for every $100K worth of property. (Not $300 like Manhattan)     Well, in that case, it makes more sense for you to own your home.    BTW, it also then, makes sense for you to own Memphis real estate & rent it to others - because for every $100K of Memphis property you own, you’d RECEIVE $1,000 in rent. You’d RECEIVE a full 1%.   Generally, on the coasts, it’s better to pay rent for your primary residence - and in the heartland, it’s better to own that real estate - whether you’re renting it to others OR living there yourself.   But there are so many more considerations here than just numbers and geography. So, what else makes sense to your specific situation?   And before I go on, please don’t think that I’m “against” the real estate AGENT industry. That’s not true. Gosh, I’ll stand up for a GOOD real estate agent when it makes sense.   For example, when it comes to selling your home, you might not want to pay a 5 or 6% sales commission to an agent. Some people would rather sell it themselves and pay 1 or 2%.   But what some sellers fail to consider is that an agent might help you get 4% more for it because they know how to reach more buyers, and do it fast, and save you a lot of hassle and uncertainty.   So, there’s just one example of how I’ll stick up for agents when it makes sense.     But, getting back to should you own or rent your primary residence, I’m here to help you decide what’s best for you. You’ve ultimately got to decide.    I WILL tell you when it’s better to be a homeowner than rent shortly. But first ... A recent survey from Freedom Debt Relief shows that homeowners have many regrets when it comes to the purchase of a new home, mostly because they are largely unprepared for the initial cost and the ongoing financial responsibility that comes with homeownership.  Of the 1,028 people surveyed, 29% said homeownership makes them feel anxious and stressed, while 26% said the cost of owning a home is a burden and they wished they were renting instead. When it comes to affording house payments, it was Millennials and Gen Z homeowners who said they are struggling the most. Half of these homeowners said property taxes turned out to be higher than they expected, while 52% said their monthly mortgage payments are too high.  With renting comes an always-available maintenance team and the ability to call the landlord when there is a problem. Conversely, homeowners have to mow their own lawn, paint their own walls and fix their own leaky faucets.  And some of these tasks have homeowners shelling out more cash than they planned, with 59% saying maintenance and repairs are more costly and require more effort than expected, and 60% saying they cannot afford needed upgrades.  That said, it seems the idea of owning a home is still attached to the concept of what it means to succeed in this country, with 59% of homeowners saying they believe that owning a home is still part of the American dream.  I’d like to add that the survey was conducted “pre-pandemic”.   Most people think that owning a home is a financial asset.   That's debatable.   The Rich Dad school of thought is known for saying that, "A home is a liability, not an asset".    An asset puts money into your pocket every month. A home is a liability because it takes money out of your pocket every month.   Of course, in the conventional sense, a home is in your asset column and it’s mortgage is in your liability column.   Though owning a home is often a poor financial investment, you still tie up a lot of money in your humble abode.    You really have more than two choices in how you live - it’s actually more than just rent or own.    You have four choices in how you live: you can own your home, pay rent to a landlord, be homeless, or live with your parents – ha!   We’re only discussing two here: Rent vs. Own.   Fannie Mae associates “Home ownership with the American Dream.” in their marketing slogan.    In America, how many people own their homes vs. rent their homes anyway? About 2/3rds own and ⅓ rent. The homeownership rate is currently about 68%.    Well, I’ve probably got your wheels turning now on “rent vs. own”.    Let’s break things down further. I’ve got 16 factors that I came up with here for you to consider, many of which you’ve never thought about before - on this.   Often it’s an exercise in pros vs. cons for you. Often, it’s rationalizing a series of trade-offs for you.    The first of these 16 factors is ... Mobility. Many people move more often than they expect. Renting keeps you nimble. With a new job opportunity or life change like marriage and kids, your mobility is an asset. A homeowner that moves a lot gets eaten up and beaten up with closing costs, make-ready expenses, and sales commissions. Kinda like where I told you about Jerome, Jessica, and their two kids.   Choice. There are more homes for sale than there are rentals, especially at the higher end. See if you want to rent a high-end place, they’re often really hard-to-find, especially in a more rural area. Renting of high-end homes limits your choice. You might feel like you HAVE to buy to get what you want.   Equity Buildup. Equity is the difference between what your home is worth and how much you owe on a mortgage. Homeowners build equity; renters don’t. Equity is like a forced savings plan. But equity is an awful investment with zero return. Your return is zero because the presence or absence of home equity has nothing to do with whether or not your home appreciates. (Yet you would rather have equity than nothing.) Houses make terrible “banks” - they’re bad places to store cash.   Liquidity. Though most homeowners build equity, it’s difficult to access. To tap your home equity, you must prove to a bank that you qualify again, wait months, incur costs, and you still might be denied access to the equity. Opportunity Cost. Many tie up a 20% down payment or more in home equity. As I’ve stated, those equity dollars are low-use, zero return dollars. Instead, your chunk of money can be earning a return for you elsewhere.   Sunk Cost. This is an overlooked killer for homeowners. I mentioned some of them already. Mortgage loan closing costs, constant home maintenance and repairs, property taxes, utilities, landscaping, snow removal, leaf raking, rototilling, replacing obsolete fixtures and appliances, roofing, and painting costs are never fully recouped when you go to sell it. Renters bear almost none of these sunk costs. Renters aren’t losing time at Lowe’s & Home Depot either.   Control. Homeowners have a big advantage here. The peace of mind of knowing that a landlord can’t tell you to move is priceless. You have a feeling of belonging, an anchor. As a homeowner, you can knock out a wall, renovate your kitchen, or add a fence. Make it yours. Control is a big homeowner “plus”.    Appreciation. Renters don’t experience price appreciation. They commonly even have to endure rent price increases. Homeowners with loans benefit from financial leverage, which can amplify your wealth in an appreciating environment (though you’re lucky if this offsets ongoing opportunity cost and sunk cost). Inflation becomes your friend for homeowners - and when you’ve only got a tiny down payment into a home that you own - leverage AND inflation are both your friend. Now, a homeowner may also get an unusually outsized equity benefit if they buy in the right place at the right time. For example, if they had bought 10 or more years ago in a place that’s appreciated a lot - for example in Charlotte, Nashville, Austin, or Boise. That could be a homeowner boon there. But if you buy a home and it’s value doesn’t appreciate - or even goes down - plus each month you paid more than you would have as a renter - plus you’ve lost time doing repairs & maintenance, then you’re REALLY lost out as a homeowner. Tax Advantages. Homeowners often get the mortgage interest deduction. But this is just one small consideration. As our most recurrent guest in GRE history, Rich Dad Advisor Tom Wheelwright says, “Don’t let the tax tail wag the dog.” To say that “I’m buying instead of renting for tax reasons.” That’s a really weak argument.   Low mortgage rates. Homeowners can tie up long-term fixed interest rate debt at these historically low rates. Economists believe they’ll stay low for a long time into the future. This is a homeowner advantage.   Price and Rent-To-Value Ratio. If a home costs less than $250,000, own it. If it costs more, pay rent. If the monthly rent is under $700 per $100,000 of home, rent it. If rent costs more, own it. That’s that approximate seven-tenths of one percent rent-to-value ratio - or rent-to-price ratio. This formulaic approach indicates how much “home” you have the benefit of living in per dollar paid. Regional and other factors can skew these numbers. Of course, when we get that general with the numbers, there are going to be more exceptions.   Community formation. Owning your home provides both you and your neighbors a feeling of “belonging.” Homeowners are more likely to look out for the common good of the neighborhood. That helps everyone. People feel more fulfilled when they’re part of something greater than themselves.   Travel. This is so simple yet everyone overlooks this. Have you been to New York City? New Hampshire? Iowa? Arizona? Florida? Alaska? Ecuador? If you haven’t even gotten out to see the very world that you live in, be a renter until you’ve found the place that fits your interests.  Some people find themselves owning a home for a few years, then later realize that they don’t even live in a region that fits their interests. Maybe you don’t want to move far away because you want to be close to family. That’s legit. Family can be a good reason for NOT making a distant move. It’s about what’s important … to you.   Personal cash flow. If it costs substantially more to own a place rather than rent that place, then rent it…and vice versa. Homeowners that divert too much of their income into housing payments are what’s known as “House Poor.” This stifles your opportunity to travel, invest, and provide opportunity for your family.   Natural disasters. Areas subject to frequent earthquakes, hurricanes, and floods clearly tilt to the renter’s advantage. Even if you’re adequately insured as a homeowner, these catastrophes are worse for homeowners. No one thinks about that stuff until it happens.   Consumer advantages. Owning rather than renting can give you higher credit card limits and more favorable insurance rates. Those are the 16 factors that I compiled to help you figure out what makes sense for you.   A decided stigma still exists with renting. But you don’t live your life for the Joneses, you live it for you.   I’ve got more for you on: “Should you rent your home or own your home.?   Hey, have you had something on your mind that’s made you want to write into the show, but you just haven’t done it yet?   Well, I think that it’s been a while since I mentioned our Contact Page here on the air.    You can get ahold of us at GetRichEducation.com/Contact.   What you can do there is either send us a WRITTEN message - or you have the option of leaving some audio - basically leaving a voicemail.    I really like it when you leave us a voicemail personally, because it’s something that I might be able to play & answer on the air for you.   I like to hear your voice.   We get a ton of messages - and we’re grateful for them. But understand that we sure can’t give personal replies to every one of them.   You can either write in OR leave a voicemail, again, at GetRichEducation.com/Contact.   More on rent vs. own, next. I want to try to help you make the best decision that you possibly can. I’m Keith Weinhold. This is Get Rich Education. ____________________   Welcome back to Get Rich Education. I’m your host Keith Weinhold.   Homeowners have a higher net worth than renters.    The average homeowner net worth is $195,000. The average renter net worth is only $5,000.    That is a substantial gap. The means that homeowner net worth is nearly 40 times what renter net worth is.   Does that alone mean that owning is better? No. I think that it does TILT toward owning.   But see, to even BE a homeowner and qualify for a mortgage, you would have already needed to have assets and income … in order to cross that threshold.   I don’t think these figures are a good reflection of WHERE the homeowners wealth actually came from - was it equity building through leveraged appreciation & principal paydown or how much income they earn from their job?   That’s information that I’d like to see.    Of course, in the greater context of Get Rich Education - net worth matters. Not as much as cash flow, but it matters, because net worth can be converted into cash flow.   Nonetheless, that net worth stat still tilts to the homeowner favor, just not as much as one thinks. "People often say that buying a home was the best investment they ever made," that’s what Ne ela Hummel said - the chief planning officer at financial planning firm Abacus Wealth Partners.  "The problem is that their return as investors is often worse than they think.  When calculating how much they made on a home, most people do not include the out-of-pocket costs they incurred through things like replacing pipes, repairing roofs, or numerous other unexpected expenses that come up. As a tenant, your costs are fixed, but as a homeowner, you are on the hook for any repair that comes up." That’s the end of what they said. Those needed repairs to your home may involve you doing a lot of research online - and watching YouTube videos - to find a solution or simply paying a repairman to remedy the issue.  Either way, you’re on the hook for investing more time and money into your home when something breaks. Now, I’ve got another test on renting vs. owning your home.   Is a home an “investment”? Do you see your primary residence as an “investment”.   Well, what is an “investment” anyway? What is the definition of “investment”.   We are an investing show - and we take deep consideration of both the value of your time and your money here, so …   The definition of “investment”, per the Oxford dictionary is … “the action or process of investing money for profit or material result.” That’s it.   So is your home an investment? I think some people see it that way.    Like I’ve said, if you’re rather lucky and buy the home in the right place and at the right time - you could profit from it. Though that’s more the exception than the norm … probably.   What I like to say is that in general, your primary residence is a poor FINANCIAL investment. But it is a good LIFESTYLE investment.    See, in this way, your primary residence is like a vacation.   That is because, think about the money you spent on your last vacation. Whether you went to the beach or the ski slopes or French vineyards, it was not a good strict FINANCIAL investment, but it was a good LIFESTYLE investment.    You improved your quality of life. You improved your standard of living.   A home is typically a good lifestyle investment and a poor financial investment.   Now, look, we’re all somewhat biased based upon our own set of experiences. That goes for me too. I am an 18-year real estate investor.    I grew up in a home that my parents … owned. They even had the mortgage completely paid-off early.    In fact, I think I shared with you before that my parents still live in the same Pennsylvania house that they’ve owned continuously since 1974.   But when I grew up in upstate Pennsylvania, all my friends’ families OWNED their homes. No one rented.   Later, I’d go on to learn about socioeconomic stratification and how I’d just be less likely to associate and even meet kids from renter households.   There was one notable outlier. When I was about 14 years old and the Petroski family moved to town - they were some pretty nice, relatable friends that were into sports & baseball cards - and I learned that they rented.    And that was the first time that I ever remember hearing the word “landlord” in my life … when the Petroskis talked about their landlord, Mr. Hosley.   I’ll tell you, my parents owning their home might have help stabilize my childhood. I’m not really sure, because I can’t compare what it’s like to move as a kid, because we never moved.   If you’ve got kids, is uprooting them to move damaging to them?    Or does it help them become more adaptable later in life? I truly don’t know the answer. I haven’t read about that at all.   But all the kids knew where I lived & could count on me for getting together.    I had an awesome childhood, raised with two married parents, playing wiffle ball in the yard, catching crayfish in the creek, going camping, and collecting Star Wars action figures. All that great kid stuff. And part of that is … well ...   Home felt like home. If it’s important for you to build a legacy for your family and have your home incorporated into that - then perhaps only homeownership will give you those … nostalgic feelings.    For me, it was knowing how my brother & I’s Christmas stockings were going to be hung from the mantle in the living room next to our wood-burning stove.    The love from my parents is the most important thing for sure. But knowing that everything was going to be in the same place every year too?   You need to understand something. That right there brought me a FEELING, an emotion, that concern for a rent-to-value ratio NEVER could. That’s stuff’s got NOTHING to do with math.   If you can’t feel at home, at home, then where you can feel “at home”?   Remembering that spot on the living room floor where I was watching the television when the Phillies won the World Series. Yeah, I can still go there and show you that in my parents’ home.   See, if I go much further down this track, I’ll soon get teary-eyed here with you.    So, with rent vs. own, is there a hybrid approach? No, there’s not really. There’s something called a lease-purchase. But those agreements are uncommon.    One somewhat hybridized approach is … one that I’ve taken.    I own the home that I live in. I’ve lived in that home for 8 years. But see, what I did is, knowing what we know about equity, is that I decided to own my home but have a low equity position.   I made a 5% down payment with a conventional loan.    See, now I’ve got 20:1 leverage, very little skin in the game, and still have control, plus I got a 3.5% interest rate back in 2012.   See, instead of putting 20%, with 5% down, now I have that difference of 15% of the value of the home … out working for me as equity levers in other income properties in other states.   And no, I pay ZERO monthly PMI despite putting 5% down with a conventional loan. I’ve given you detail on how I pulled that off on previous shows, and you can too.    The short story is, make a strong offer on your buy price and put it into the contract that your seller pay upfront PMI for you.   Now, there are some other distinct things happening in my geography where - if someone wanted to come buy my primary residence from me, but yet I could keep living here as their renter …   … and it was written into the contract that they couldn’t make me move, and I know I would pay them a lower rent amount than I’m currently paying in my mortgage & all those other homeowner expenses, I WOULD consider doing that.   Those situations are hard to find.   Yep, I would convert my mortgage payments to rent payments if I could get that arrangement.    And why do this? Because the lower rent payment would increase my personal monthly cash flow, plus it would free up any dead equity that I have in the home.   Part of the rationale there is that my home market has few prospects for substantial appreciation in the next few years.   Well, in rent vs. own, what’s the bottom line with what makes the most sense for you financially? (Just … talking financial only here)   Be a renter in a high-end home and then buy low-cost income properties in investor-advantaged markets in the Midwest and South - that you rent out to others.   See, if you’re a renter in a high-end home, now you’ve got zero dead equity tied up in your home - and instead, it’s leveraging property in sensible markets.   In fact, I know a few other people - savvy people - that understand rent-to-price ratios and do exactly that.    They’re FAIRLY wealthy people that are renters by choice - and own lots of rental property in low-priced markets.   But there’s no one definitive OVERALL factor in your Rent vs. Own decision because this is where finances and feelings intersect.   So here’s hoping that you’re finding a few considerations that you’ve never thought about before!   To be clear here and to summarize overall ...   Is homeownership a sham? Is it a rip-off? No.   Is homeownership overrated? Yes, it still is.   Many people that are renting should own. These people seem to know that.   Conversely, many that are owning would actually be better off renting. Few seem to know that and they’re even willing to take up an argument with you.  They’ve heard the same “Paying rent is like throwing money away.” thing for so long, that they’d rather argue than really think it through.   Well, the reason that I did this show today - though it’ll be just as relevant if you’re listening 5 to 10 years from now, is pandemic-related.    It’s because the COVID-19 pandemic is appearing to increase the migration rate as people look for less dense housing.    Whether you’re migrating or not, now you better know whether renting or owning your home makes the most sense for you.   Next week here on the show, we’ll discuss what we usually do - INCOME property - property that you don’t live in, but instead, rent to others - and just exactly why the investment makes more ordinary people wealthy than anything else.    If there’s one thing that I know about you, it’s that you are always going to live somewhere.    And you know what else, so is everyone that you know.    Every person that you know - may or may not own rental property - but everyone that you know is always going to live somewhere too.    Do you think that this show would benefit them?    This episode in particular might save your family and friends SO much time and money.   I love it when you share the show with others. So I’d be grateful if you took a screenshot of this episode and shared it on your Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, or even through an email or text with those that you care about.    I always endeavor to make things clear to understand here on the show. I’m Keith Weinhold.   Don’t Quit Your Daydream!

Get Rich Education
307: Why The Rich Are Getting Richer

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 24, 2020 34:53


The wealthy are enjoying federal monetary stimulus. Meanwhile, unemployed tenants can now be evicted nationally (check your local law). Own assets? Great. Mortgage interest rates are at historic lows; the S&P 500 is at an all-time high. (Entire episode transcript is below. Read as you listen.) In the pandemic, tenants want single-family homes more than communal apartments. Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac want to add a 0.5% refinancing fee.  Homebuilder sentiment is high? Why? High demand, low inventory, low rates. Stagflation is explained. It is a stagnant economy with high inflation. There are signs that inflation is poised to increase. Resources mentioned: Inflation Triple Crown video: https://youtu.be/dZojl686fU0 Section 8 turnkey property: www.GetRichEducation.com/Section8 Stagflation video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaC_PNKu_Cg&feature=youtu.be Elevator Anxiety: https://www.axios.com/elevator-anxiety-reopenings-9a474985-4786-43a3-8b64-5119ff7f2267.html Mortgage Loans: RidgeLendingGroup.com QRPs: text “QRP” in ALL CAPS to 72000 or: eQRP.co By texting “QRP” to 72000 and opting in, you will receive periodic marketing messages from eQRP Co. Message & data rates may apply. Reply “STOP” to cancel. New Construction Turnkey Property: NewConstructionTurnkey.com Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Top Properties & Providers: GREturnkey.com Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith’s personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Complete Episode Transcript:   Welcome to Get Rich Education. I’m your host, Keith Weinhold.    The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. I can’t think of any one time in my life where that’s been happening more than it has been than right now.   I’ll tell you why - and what you need to do to get on the right side of that.    What is going on in the real estate market and what are the real estate economics that matter? Then, a discussion about inflation. Today, on Get Rich Education. ____________   Hey, you’re inside GRE. From Manila, Philippines to Managua, Nicaragua and across 188 nations worldwide, I’m Keith Weinhold. This is Get Rich Education.   The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer - and I can’t think of any one time in my life where that’s been happening more than it has been than right now.   Because Americans living paycheck-to-paycheck might now be ... paycheck-less. Some of them are laid off - because of the pandemic - and now they're concerned that there's no national eviction ban.   That’s right. In most states, non-paying tenants CAN be evicted at this time. Now, you’ve got to check your local law.   Well, when is Congress going to do something to relieve those that the pandemic has left unemployed?   Well, they don’t even reconvene until after Labor Day.   Some people are wondering - “Where is the CARES Act 2?” Where are those updated forbearance options, eviction moratorium, the PayCheck Protection Program, and the $1,200 stimulus checks and the stepped-up weekly unemployment compensation?   In fact, Richmond Fed President Thomas Barkin had  good metaphor. He said: “Months ago, when we did the first stimulus, we thought the economy faced a pothole and the stimulus put a plate over it so we could navigate.    Now escalation of the virus may be making that pothole into a sinkhole and creating a need for a longer plate.” That’s the end of what the Fed President said.   Now, look, I think there’s a lot to be said for just letting the free market do it’s job.    But it’s a little hard to be in this laissez-faire, Austrian economics school of thought when some people could be suffering.     So that you know what I’m talking about, “lay-say-fare” basically means no government intervention into the free market.   Meanwhile, the rich are bingeing off Federal Reserve policy and liquidity injections that keep mortgage interest rates at historic lows and the S&P 500 at an all-time high.   Mortgage rates recently dipped below 3%, which is just amazing.   You don’t even have to be THAT rich … to benefit. If you’ve got substantial exposure to the real estate market or the stock market, chances are, that those assets are doing alright.   One thing that you need to keep in mind as an investor, is that, when the Fed puts rates on the floor, it affects more than just MORTGAGE rates - it affects other rates too - like savings account rates.   Just look at the rates at bank savings accounts.    Even if you’re in one of these online banks that give better yields than traditional brick-and-mortar banks - we’re talking about online-first banks like Ally Bank and Popular Bank - they were paying two-and-a-half percent on savings accounts not all that long ago.    Even those banks are now down to about three-quarters of one percent - probably less than the real rate of inflation.   So because savers get punished worse than ever right now, that, in turn, forces more people INTO things like real estate, because you’re in search of that yield.   Even retirees can’t rely on the paltry income from three-quarters of one percent yield so they have to go to the markets to chase yields too - sometimes unwillingly.   Well, when all these people that got negative REAL yield on savings accounts and CDs - and aren’t going to stand for it anymore, it forces more demand … and money into markets and consequently, floats the price of everything up.    That’s what’s going on now.   Now, I personally don't really like this deepening canyon between the "rich” and the “poor". But I know which side I'd rather be on.   Besides the investment properties, a lot of people want to move and shake-up their living situation like never before - their primary residence - and filter their new home-buying criteria on pandemic ways of life.   Bidding wars are rampant for single-family homes. How rampant are they? Well,  Zillow just reported their highest daily active user count ... ever.    Now, though property data can move even slower than your last 1031 Exchange did, Real Estate Economist Daren Blomquist just compiled THESE year-over-year price changes through quarter two.   You’ve heard Daren Blomquist on the show here. He broke this down this way:    City real estate is up +4% - again, this is all year-over-year through the second quarter. Town +4% Suburban +5% Rural +11%   The two sources are ATTOM Data Solutions and the U.S. Census Bureau.   So rural is appreciating the best. City and town is appreciating the least.    With time, I expect urban areas and apartments to slump. Of course, urban areas and apartments kind of go together.    In the pandemic, living in a lot of large apartment buildings has become about as fashionable as Jazzercise and The Atkins Diet.   Of course, at GRE, we've long focused on rental single-family homes. We’ve talked a little about apartments and you know that I started out with a four-plex & got my start in real estate that way.   This week, NAR Chief Economist Lawrence Yun noted:   " ... (There's) an oversupply of apartment buildings, especially in city centers given the evident recent shift in consumer preference for single-family homes in the suburbs.    Lawrence Yun continued: "Apartment rent growth could therefore be tough going ahead.   The rise of single-family units is welcome, as overall inventory of homes for sale are down 19% from one year ago and there is intense buyer competition in the market as a result." That’s the end of what Lawrence Yun said.   As long as your tenant can pay the rent, this is welcome news for your existing single-family rental homes - like the ones that you’ve acquired through GREturnkey.com.    It puts upward pressure on the price. So congratulations there.   The appetite for real assets, especially desirable rental single-family homes, now propelled by low inventory and low interest rates has put you in good shape if you’ve acted.   But of course, the COVID pandemic isn’t over. We don’t really know how all of this is going to turn out. And even when a vaccine is developed, remember that it will probably take … at least a few months to distribute it.   In my OWN portfolio, all of my single-family rental homes are occupied - 100%. But my apartment building vacancies are unusually high right now.   When we talk about apartment buildings and office buildings as well - Axios recently reported about how residents and workers are experiencing what they call “elevator anxiety”. I’ll put that in the Show Notes for you.    An elevator is one of the most physically, uncomfortable awkward places to be in the pandemic.   If you’re wondering about how that real estate looks - we’re generally talking about buildings that are four or more stories in height.   In fact, the ADA - the Americans with Disabilities Act - stipulates that properties with four or more stories generally are going to need to have an elevator.    I’ll tell ya - if apartment buildings are as unfashionable as the Adkins Diet these days, then being inside an elevator is about as hip as Jane Fonda workout videos, NordicTrack, and Sweatin' To The Oldies with Richard Simmons.   https://youtu.be/na9ZZ4ZjVa8?t=28     Oh geez. Did that really just happen? I guess it did. So … while we’re all processing that, getting back to real estate here.   Now, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac recently said that they will start charging a 0.5% “adverse market fee” on all refinances, including both cash-out and non-cash-out refis. They were trying to put that new fee into effect for next month. What a drag that would be. So for every $200,000 you refinance, you’d have to pay an additional $1,000 fee - or maybe your lender would pay it. What Freddie Mac said is: “As a result of risk management and loss forecasting precipitated by COVID-19 related economic and market uncertainty, we are introducing a new … what they call ... Market Condition Credit Fee in Price”. Freddie sent in their notice to lenders. Wouldn’t that be an annoying fee? Well, almost immediately, the National Association of Mortgage Brokers struck back. They launched a campaign to reverse that newly announced one-half of one percent refinancing fee. We’ll see where that goes.   Now, things are really good for homebuilders these day. An index measuring homebuilder sentiment matched its highest level ever yesterday. Why? I mean, it’s simple. There is a healthy amount of DEMAND from buyers and not enough homes to meet it.  Also, the 30-year fixed mortgage rate bottomed out at 2.88% in August, the lowest point on record. Those low borrowing rates are boosting homebuyers' appetites … obviously. There really are a few recent stories that are de facto microcosms - reflections of this appetite for a work-from-home arrangement and less dense housing. For example, it’s really telling to look at what the outdoor clothing and gear company, REI just did. Do you like REI? I like shopping there. Even if you aren’t into outdoor stuff, you can always find a cool water bottle or something at REI. Well, they just announced plans to sell the lavish corporate campus that they had just finished building near Seattle.  REI executives concluded that employees were able to collaborate remotely better than the company originally THOUGHT ...so a massive physical HQ just wasn’t worth the cost any longer. So REI is selling what they had just built. Other real estate segments falling out of favor - are those high-density places, like you might expect - New York City and San Francisco.  StreetEasy reported that Manhattan home values dropped 4.2% since last year and homes are lingering on the market more two months longer … than they had just last year. San Francisco list prices are down 5% annually, while inventory is up 96%. Yes, a near doubling of available inventory in San Francisco. NYC and San Francisco were already the most expensive housing markets in the country BEFORE the pandemic. And life under lockdown has given people that nudge they had already been considering for years. And then, single-family homes in outlying areas are the real beneficiaries here. There have been a number of notable milestones. COLORADO SFH sales rose 21% July-over-July. The median price statewide in Colorado is now $444,000. Just looking at Denver, Denver just broke the $600K mark for the first time ever.   So, a few months into the pandemic, we’re getting a clearer sense of who the winners and losers are - a lot of them are what we expected.   If I had to slim it down to just a 3-word answer for you on why the rich are getting richer, those 3 words are: Federal Monetary Stimulus.   And the stimulus is disproportionately benefitting … asset owners.   Well, the pandemic hasn’t affected some real estate investors at all. Others, feel more reliant on the next government stimulus program to give their tenants the wherewithal to pay the rent.    Well, if you, as an investor want to have the majority of your rent income payment guaranteed to be made by the government to you over the long-term, well, that’s what landlords of tenants with HUD-funded “Section 8” housing have enjoyed for decades.   You have guaranteed rent income.    I think you remember that I had a turnkey provider that specializes in Section 8 housing here on the show on Get Rich Education Episode 297. So just ten show ago, which was 10 weeks ago.   Like any investment, Section 8 Housing is best viewed through a prism of pros and cons.    Section 8 is not for everybody. Some love it, some don’t … but this provider manages the Section 8 administration FOR you. They’ve got a great relationship with the housing authority.    That’s something that most landlords of this government-subsidized housing never had.    “Guaranteed rent income” has a nicer ring to it than it did just a year ago.   Get the provider report and learn more at GetRichEducation.com/Section8   That’s our Richmond, Virginia provider. In fact, CNBC named Virginia as the most business-friendly state in the entire nation.   I’m Keith Weinhold and I’m coming back to talk to you about inflation.    Again, learn more at GetRichEducation.com/Section8. This is Get Rich Education!   _________________   Hey, you’re back inside Get Rich Education. I’m your host, Keith Weinhold.   Both the pandemic-driven CARES Act, and whatever other monetary stimulus acts that follow … are injections of trillions of dollars into the economy.    In fact, it’s now driven our national debt to nearly $27 trillion dollars.   Of course, this has the effect of … money printing. It’s not literal money printing. The more you learn about it, it’s often U.S. government bond issuance.    A bond really just means that the government issues an I.O.U. that someone else, like China buys.    Those are some of the semantics behind, what we you can really more closely think of as “currency creation” rather than money printing.   Will this result in inflation? That’s the big question. Well, longer-term, many think, “yes”. Short-term, “no”. We are in a low demand environment.   Of course, as a real estate investor, you want inflation. You might have seen on the Get Rich Education YouTube Channel where, I have visually mapped out how you win “The Inflation Triple Crown”.   In fact, if you just Google the three words, “Inflation Triple Crown”, you can probably see me - as the first hit on Google - and you can watch me doing the whiteboard video.   As you’ll remember, real estate investors win the Inflation Triple Crown because inflation provides you with: #1 Asset Price Inflation, #2 Debt Debasement and #3 Cash Flow Enhancement - that all works terrifically when you’re leveraged.   There are more signs of inflation out there in the economy right now than we’ve seen in the recent past. Though I still expect it to be mild as long as we’re in this pandemic-driven low demand environment …   The consumer price index rose six-tenths of one percent last month. That beat the two-tenths expectation that economists had had.    Food are prices up substantially, and then, a substantial input to homebuilder pricing and therefore the future value of homes - is lumber - and lumber prices have been soaring higher.   Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said that the administration is unfazed with these historically obscenely high levels of government spending … thanks to the nation’s very low interest rates.   See, the Fed is less concerned about mounting debt when the interest rate that THEY pay on their debt is low … much like you’re less concerned about your debt when the interest rate is so low - you might be looking to take on more debt now.   Of course, YOU’VE got a better deal on your real estate debt than the Federal Government does, because the Federal Government doesn’t have tenants to service their debt for them like you do in an occupied rental property.    Could America reach a STAGflationary state again like it did in the 1970s? We haven’t discussed the economic phenomena of stagflation before.   Do you know what that is? Stagflation is a stagnant economy with inflation. That’s what it means.   OK, usually a more stagnant economy - like we’re in now - is characterized by low inflation due to lower demand not running up the prices of consumer goods and household staples.   But again, stagflation means that there’s a stagnant economy WITH high inflation. Could THAT happen this decade?    To reinforce your learning here, let’s listen to the audio from this explainer video from One Minute Economics about stagflation.    This is less than a minute & a half in length.    https://youtu.be/YaC_PNKu_Cg   Yes, well, if we get stagflation, meaning again, a stagnant economy that we have high inflation, I don’t know that we’d have another Fed Chief like Paul Voelcker - who, 40 years ago, brazenly raised interest rates so aggressively to combat inflation that mortgage rates were 18% forty years ago.   I don’t know that anyone would prevent inflation from running away at that point.   But again, that’s STAGFLATION.    Now, I know what you might be thinking. Maybe you’re thinking that all of the Fed currency creation to pull us out of 2009’s Great Recession didn’t produce high inflation, so why would it be any different this time, with all these CURRENT cycles of massive dollar creation once again?   That would be a valid thing for you to think.   At least based on the official government numbers, we’ve only had about 2% monetary inflation in recent years.    Well, see. Though high inflation wasn’t the RESULT ten years ago, it might have actually been CREATED and you just didn’t know it. So, here’s what I mean.    Say that the expansion of globalization and technological advancement REALLY meant that we had NEGATIVE 5% inflation - another way to say that is that what if we WOULD HAVE had 5 points of deflation if they’re WEREN’T any excess dollar creation?.   But yet, all of the dollar creation after the Great Recession caused 7% inflation.   Well then, 5 points of DEflation offset by 7% INflation resulted in ... 2% inflation.   Think about it that way. Maybe something like that is what really happened … and that is why all of today’s currency creation COULD result in high inflation. We don’t know that it will. But that’s just one reason why it COULD.   Now, overall, to pull back and look at the state of housing in this pandemic-driven recession.    Housing has been - and continues to be - substantially better off in this recession THAN it was in the 2008 Great Recession - that event - twelve years ago, had a housing COLLAPSE as a driver. People left the keys and walked away from their homes back then.   Now, instead, we’ve got bidding wars for housing.    I want to temper that with a reminder that the pandemic is not over yet, and it could still take an unforeseen turn.   The bad part about this recession is that we’ve got higher unemployment than we did back then.   Now, the reasons that real estate is BETTER OFF in this recession compared to the last one is:   Housing Demand Exceeds Supply - that was in the OPPOSITE state last recession. Responsible Lending Prevailed - again, that was OPPOSITE of last time. We’ve Got Low Mortgage Rates - lower than they’ve ever been.  And We had No “Bubbly” Price Run-up before this recession, unlike what happened in the 2008 Great Recession.    They are … the key differences.    Coming up on a future episode here - we’re primarily a show about how buy-and-hold residential INVESTMENT property produces wealth for you - and how to avoid mistakes.   But so many people are re-evaluating their primary residence situation lately, that, coming up on the show, I’m going to go deep on - “Should You Rent Your Home Or Should You Own Your Home?”   There is some counterintuition and paradox here.    I’m going to give you a new twist on the fact that - if you pay rent, that is NOT The Same As Throwing Money Away     Also, some people seem to think that homeownership is like: "Renting. Except you get to keep it." That is false and that has caused millions of people to buy houses that they later regret.   Is your primary residence an investment? Do YOU consider it an investment? Well, in almost EVERY case it is a poor financial investment, but it could be a good lifestyle investment.    So, “Should You Rent Your Own Home Or Own Your Own Home that you live in.” That’s coming up on a future show.   Well, regardless of your living situation, pandemic-driven unemployment might have made you realize that … you need a durable, long-term 2nd source of income - if you don’t already have one.   Even if you aren’t losing your job, circumstances have hit close to home for a lot of people.    You can either let other people make money off your money, like the bank paying you 1% on your savings.    Or you can make money off OPM (like borrowing at a 5% mortgage to invest at 11% - or hopefully, a lot more than 11% with the (up to) five profit centers that real estate has.)    RE is that instrument of arbitrage.   As they say, you can either teach a man to fish or give a man a fish. Well, why not do both? That IS the abundance mindset afterall.    At GetRichEducation.com, we teach you how to fish.   At GREturnkey.com, we give you a fish too.   What is going on at GREturnkey?   Well, first, get your mortgage pre-approval at a reputable lender that specializes in investment property like Ridge Lending Group.   You’ll see at GREturnkey.com that Birmingham and Huntsville, AL have investor-advantaged numbers that work.   Pockets of Huntsville may have better appreciation if they’re tied to employment in the space industry.    Gosh, love him or hate him, Elon Musk gave us something to actually celebrate in an otherwise tough 2020 as he led the first private company to launch astronauts to space - emblematic of the burgeoning space industry - both Huntsville, AL and Orlando, Florida there at GREturnkey pick up on some of that.   We just discussed Chicago here last week. Chicago and Dayton, Ohio are two markets that keep sourcing existing inventory that they beautifully renovate, and both markets have rent-to-price ratios that are typically OVER 1%.   When you’re over 1% and mortgage interest rates are this low, it makes your affordability as an investor REALLY advantageous. That’s Chicago and Dayton.   Des Moines, Iowa is sourcing a little inventory lately - not as much as some of the other providers. That’s a stable place.   Florida is a bright spot for new construction turnkey property - Jacksonville, Tampa, and the aforementioned Orlando all sourcing brand new construction property.    When it’s NEW construction, your insurance cost is often really low too.   Memphis, Tennessee and Little Rock, Arkansas are both the SAME provider there at GREturnkey - and that provider name is MidSouthHomeBuyers. There you have lower price points and MidSouth Home Buyers is so good with beginners.   And then, Oklahoma City - the numbers work and some media outlets have named Oklahoma City as the most recession-resistant market in America. You’re getting a 1% rent-to-price ratio there too.   Finally, Richmond, Virginia - I mentioned them earlier. They specialize in knowing the ways and means of how to optimize Section 8 tenancies because they have a great relationship with the housing authority there.    Most, or really all of these markets that I mentioned are in the United States Midwest & South.    Florida - oddly enough - is not culturally the South - though it’s the most southeastern state there is - their history of net-in migration makes them culturally disparate from what we think of as the south, but …   … all these markets I mentioned are in investor-advantaged metros where you generally have more stable prices, and landlord-tenant law that favors your rights moreso than the tenant’s rights.    So these markets are hand-chosen pretty carefully for you.    Once you’re pre-qualified for a loan, find all those providers & a few more at GREturnkey.com.   I am honored because you have given me something … and that is that I have had the privilege of having your time today.    Until next week, I’m your host, Keith Weinhold. Don’t Quit Your Daydream!

Get Rich Education
302: Five Ways Real Estate Pays You, Offensive vs. Defensive Investing

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 20, 2020 33:29


Learn how real estate pays you up to five ways simultaneously. Should you be playing offense or defense as an investor now? Learn how a return of less than 20 to 25% is disappointing. We’ll add up all five ways you’re paid and see what your Year One return is from: Appreciation, Cash Flow, Return On Amortization, Tax Benefits, Inflation-Profiting. See brand new construction SFRs and duplexes in central Florida at: www.GetRichEducation.com/Orlando Central Florida rent-to-price ratios are about 0.8%. Interest rates are at historic lows. What does late rapper Notorious B.I.G. have to do with real estate investing? You’ll see today. Kind of.  **Complete episode transcript below. Read along as you listen.** Resources mentioned: New construction Orlando income property: GetRichEducation.com/Orlando Mortgage Loans: RidgeLendingGroup.com QRPs: text “QRP” in ALL CAPS to 72000 or: eQRP.co By texting “QRP” to 72000 and opting in, you will receive periodic marketing messages from eQRP Co. Message & data rates may apply. Reply “STOP” to cancel. New Construction Turnkey Property: NewConstructionTurnkey.com Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Top Properties & Providers: GREturnkey.com Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith’s personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Welcome to Get Rich Education. I’m your host, Keith Weinhold. There are seasons in your investor life where you either play offense or defense. What should you be doing now? … as we refresh the “Up To 5 Ways That Real Estate Simultaneously Pays You.”   Anything less than a 20 to 25% rate of return in buy-and-hold real estate investing is disappointing. How can that be? Today, on Get Rich Education. ______________________   Welcome to GRE! From Asmara, (Air-UH-tree-UH) Eritrea to Ashtabula, OH and across 188 nations worldwide. I’m Keith Weinhold. This is Get Rich Education.   Thanks for being here, but you’re not here for me. You’re here for you.   In your investor life, are you playing offense? Or are you playing defense right now?   Or, in general, longer-term, are you a more offensively-oriented investor, which correlates with more risk-taking for higher returns.   Or are you more defensively-minded - where you’d rather have less risk and lower return?   Are your mindset and actions aligned toward offense or defense?   Well, I’ve got an answer for you here, and you’re going to have a really valuable takeaway.   Anything less than a 20 to 25% annual rate of return in real estate is really … actually … disappointing.    “What choo talkin’ ‘about, Willis?”   What I’m talking about … Will - is ...    Really, this all comes back to how - when you buy income property the right way - you are paid up to five ways simultaneously.   A stock typically only pays you one way, perhaps two.   I think that the easiest way for you to understand the five ways you’re paid - and even celebrate these five ways you’re paid - because … this ... is ... pretty compelling - is to use an example.   I’ve discussed this before. So if you’re a longtime listener, I’m going to put “The 5 Ways” through a new filter for you.   And if you’re a newer listener, say in the last year, this could completely change your investing thought paradigm for the rest of your entire life.    In fact, compound interest is lame and rarely, if ever builds real wealth in real life. I’ll tell ya what does here.    And yes, I know that this is abject heresy. It is replete blasphemy to criticize “compound interest” in the finance world.    I am surely guilty of committing financial profanity right there.   This is really fundamental stuff I’m about to share with you here - and yet the real paradox is that most real estate investors don’t even understand this.   This is pretty fun to do. We’re going to add up the five ways you’re paid and determine your total rate of return here.   Let’s say that you purchase a $100,000 property - $100K. And, no worries, if that’s too “small time for you”, this is all based on ratios, so it scales up to a $1M or $10M property.   (Ha!) And sometimes I wonder how much longer a $100K property will even be a feasible example as inflation makes $100K properties less common all the time.  But with your newly-bought $100K rental single-family home, you buy it with a tenant already residing there, where the monthly rent income exceeds the monthly expenses - that’s a big part of “buying right”.    With your 20% down payment, you have $20K out of pocket then, and an $80K loan.   The first of five ways you’re often paid is ...  1 - Appreciation Let’s just say that your property appreciates from $100,000 to $106,000. That is just commensurate with real estate’s historic appreciation rate of 6%. But here’s the big “a-ha” moment.    Your $6,000 gain is based on only your $20,000 down payment.  Well, that’s your ROI formula - your gain divided by how much you have invested. Well, your $6K divided by $20K is a 30% return to you. Really? How did that happen exactly?   How do you have a 30% return from just this first of five ways you’re paid?    This is because you achieved a 6% return on both your $20K of skin-in-the-game and the $80K borrowed from the bank. This is what is known as financial leverage. Financial leverage means that your return is 30%.    No wonder that I’m known for saying that compound interest is lame and leverage builds real wealth. More on that soon.   2 - The second way you’re simultaneously paid is with Cash Flow It’s your monthly rent income minus all the expenses (like mortgage, vacancy, insurance, maintenance, taxes, utilities, management). We’ll be conservative and say that leaves you with only $100 of residual income in this case.   Annually, that’s $1,200 more for you, divided by your $20,000 down payment.    Yes, it’s $1,200 still divided by that same $20K of skin you have in the game.    This another 6% return for you. This portion is what is known as the Cash-On-Cash Return.    So, so far you’ve got a 30% return from leveraged appreciation PLUS a 6% cash-on-cash return from that monthly cash flow & we’re still going.   3 - Loan Paydown Unlike your own home where you pay down your principal mortgage balance with money that you had to earn, well, here, your tenant pays the monthly principal portion of your $80,000 loan on this property!    At a 6% interest rate (and you know you can do better than that today, but we’re being conservative here) on a 30-year mortgage, that’s about $1,000 that the tenant pays down your loan for you annually.    Divided by your (still the same) $20K of “skin-in-the-game” means that’s ANOTHER return for you of: 5%. This portion is known as your ROA - your return on amortization. We are still going - still adding up all the ways you're often paid in real estate.   4 - Tax Benefit You can have a mortgage interest deduction, an ability to pay zero capital gains tax with a 1031 Exchange, and tax depreciation - which can tax-shelter part of your rent income.    This is hard to measure. We’ll conservatively call your investment tailwind another 5%. There’s something else called “bonus depreciation” that can certainly make this 5% tax tailwind higher, but let’s just leave it there.   And the fifth and final way is what I call Inflation-Profiting. Few people understand this.    Like inflation erodes the value of your lump of savings, it also degrades your mortgage debt balance.    How is that? It’s because your $80,000 loan today gets easier to “pay back” as wages and prices escalate over time. Your bank only asks to be repaid in nominal dollars (while your tenant pays the interest), not real, inflation-adjusted dollars.    So just say that over a few years, you had 10% cumulative inflation. Well, then rather than paying back the bank $80K, you really only need to pay them back $72K in inflation-adjusted terms.   Inflation has been low lately. We’ll call this benefit a return of another … just 2% to you.   Well, there were all five ways. Let’s add them up to see what your total rate of return is. You got a return of:   30% from leveraged appreciation, then… 6% from cash flow - which is that portion known as your cash-on-cash return, plus another 5% from your ROA - that Return On Amortization, where you tenant pays down your loan for you. Then another … 5% from tax benefits … 2% from inflation-profiting ...   And your first year total Return On Investment from this income property is 48%   You just achieved a 48% return - and without taking any INORDINATE risk. Now, your real-life return probably won’t be exactly that - it’ll be higher or lower.   A few other caveats here. I think you probably realize this example is simplified.    If we had 18 spreadsheets, then we could probably get an exact number, like rather than a 48% total rate of return for you - then it might be 46.16% or something like that. …   … but eighteen spreadsheets doesn’t work in audio format as we’ve just broken it down here on Get Rich Education Episode 302.    1) Note that in the example, we did not factor in your buyer mortgage loan closing costs (the seller can often help you pay these).    Of course, risk still exists. If you buy property in a losing job market, or hire a disreputable property manager, for example, your return can erode.    3) You will still have SOME inevitable problems along the way. It just happens in real estate.   Also, note that your property insurance premium WAS considered in the example. That hedges you from a lot of major loss types.   And that your management cost was considered here, meaning your income is largely passive.    Also, be mindful that after your 48% return in Year One of this hypothetical example, your return typically DROPS in future years.    Maybe it’s down to 38% in the second year and 29% in the third year.    Why is this? Well, primarily due to the fact that equity accumulates in the property, and equity has zero rate of return.   Compound interest? Well, you’re typically not leveraging other people’s money with compound interest.    In the example we used - you’re not just growing from the return on your own money.   You achieved that return because you got to use BOTH your own money plus three other parties’ money at the same time:   the bank’s for the leverage   the tenants for the income and the return on amortization … and    … the govt’s for the tax incentives - plus, really the government’s policies for the inflation-profiting benefit too … if ya think about it.   With just a 20% down payment, you got access to getting the return on OTHER people’s money all over the place.    Another risk is to be mindful of overleveraging. Overleveraging means that you’ve borrowed so aggressively that, say you get in a situation where the tenants rent income no longer meets or exceeds the monthly property expenses.    That’s negative cash flow from overleveraging.   With these five ways ...   Now you understand how real estate makes ordinary people wealthy!   Now you know how to actually “keep score” with real estate investing.   Now you understand how less than a 20-25% Total Rate Of Return is disappointing.   This is LEVERAGE rather than compound interest.   Long-term, one’s hopes for compound interest get eroded and worn down to nothing after applying - something that longtime listeners can almost repeat after me - applying those deleterious effects of inflation and emotion and taxes and fees and volatility.    If you understand what I just described, you understand something that Billionaire RE investors do NOT understand.   Billionaire real estate investors don’t understand what you now know.   So, when it comes down to, are you playing offense or defense as the theme for your own investing strategy?    The answer is, when you’re paid five ways, you have the ability to constantly do BOTH - you’re playing both offense and defense - at the same time, all the time.   By the way, they say that offense wins games but defense wins championships. It was legendary Alabama football coach Paul “Bear” Bryant that’s credited with saying some version of that.    I don’t know whether that’s so true or not, but here you have multiple offenses and defenses.   But what I’m talking about here, is, with the 5 ways you’re paid:   Appreciation - That’s playing offense Cash Flow - That’s more predictable than appreciation, and that’s playing offense too Return On Amortization - That’s defense. It’s slow, predictable, and it builds illiquid equity The fourth way, taxes - that’s defense too. It’s kind of built-in, predictable, and really just recurs when you do your annual taxes. And the fifth way, inflation-profiting - That’s defense too.   So, there you go, with one single-family rental home or apartment building, you’ve played offense two ways and defense three ways … all at the same time.    And when you’re paid five ways, if one or two stop providing you with yield, well, then you’ve still got three or four ways that are.   But, yeah, these return sources aren’t apparent to a lot of people.    You know, I was recently doing a review of one of my larger apartment buildings with an experienced investor, because the cash flow basically dried up.   And, for example, this apartment building has $2,100 of tenant-made mortgage principal paydown every month. That’s $25K per year in equity buildup.   $25K divided by my $475K in equity is a Return On Amortization of about 5% on this particular apartment building.   So I think that the real takeaway here is - invest in something where you’re paid multiple ways, where you can invest in offense & defense at the same time, and it pays you income so that you can begin enjoying your life now, not “maybe someday” - which correlates with more of a compound interest approach.   If you think about it, a central theme of this show is how to optimize the 5 Ways You’re Paid - and avoid mistakes.   This is really a huge part of the compelling “why” for real estate that is so often missed.   You want to own the real property yourself to make sure all five of these benefits aren’t diluted.   You also want to be sure to have a good loan on your property to amplify your ROI over the long-term.   As you know, I am “pro-good debt”. I have no interest in paying down low interest rate debt, that the tenant pays down for me and inflation even further debases.   Instead of using that dollar to pay down debt, you could use that dollar as a down payment on another property - expanding your empire.   Gosh, with interest rates this low, it puts an exclamation point on the fact that you don’t want to be paying down your debt … here in the early 2020s decade.    Paying down good debt is one of the last things that I would do with my money. You lose leverage every time you do that.   Turning a liquid dollar into equity just transferred cash into equity.   Financial freedom achieved when you do the opposite - when you transfer equity into cash flow.   The probability that I’m going to wake up tomorrow and start accelerating paydown on low-rate, fixed mortgage debt tied to this cash-flowing property - is about nothing.   It’s about the same as the chance is that my Dad wakes up tomorrow and starts listening to the Notorious BIG with Junior MAFIA.   “I chill … “ to “ … you know”.   Haha! Yeah, not happening!   Not for my Dad, anyway. Not his style. Sounds alright to me. I might drop that in during a workout or something.   You’re listening to a more detailed discussion about the Five Ways That Real Estate Pays You and we’re talking about it through a fresh lens of “offense vs. defensive” investing here on Get Rich Education Episode 302. I strongly believe: It is very difficult to get wealthy without debt. Often won’t achieve freedom without debt. It’s going to be alright ... when your debt is reliably outsourced to others.   You know, at one point in my life, when I still worked for an employer. (The last day job I ever had was working in the QA section for a state DOT, by the way).   At one point, I realized that every dollar I lock in a stock or 401(k) is a dollar that I can’t use to leverage OPM. That epiphany was a real turning point.   Checking the RobinHood app every 15 minutes isn’t going to build real, durable wealth for you.   And, sometime before that, it was the realization that for me - and for you - to get more out of life, you can’t live below your means, you’ve got to expand your means.   To achieve financial freedom, it sure isn’t going to happen by cancelling Netflix $10 for month.   That’s not going to happen if you save $80 on air tickets by adding an extra layover on your trip itinerary. You just added three hours of low-quality time to your life - and you’ll never get that time back.   That’s cheesy. That’s unattractive.   It’s not about saving money on your Butterball turkeys or car gasoline.   I’m not saying you can NEVER do those things. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.   But people need to stop being congratulated for being cheap or even focusing on frugality. Gosh, that stuff can make people miserable.   People that say, “I want to live frugally.”, they don’t REALLY want to live frugally. They actually want to say, “I want to live well.”    But they don’t know how to do that. They don’t have a vehicle to move forward with.    It’s kind of like, when we had T. Harv Eker here on the show here a few years ago - it’s about setting your mental thermostat higher, so that you can get greater wealth & freedom for yourself …   And with the “five ways you’re paid” like I described earlier, hopefully, I’ve charted a substantially clearer path forward for you so that you can do that.   Well, with “The Up To 5 Way That Real Estate Often Pays You”, that’s something that I first started talking about more than five years ago. I’ve never heard anyone else talk about it before. So, as far as I know, I guess I’ve “coined this” or whatever.   But since I began talking about it, I hear other people talking about it too - even other educational platforms.   Now, I do own three real estate trademarks, so what do I think about OTHERS now teaching the “5 Ways You’re Paid”. I’ll discuss that in just a few minutes here.   I’m also going to discuss who influenced ME - and give them some credit. And this includes a couple people that you’ve surely never heard about before.   If you would like to see the “5 Ways You’re Paid” in one easy-to-read infographic - that all fits on one sheet - so that it’s REALLY cear to understand - I’ll send you a colorful electronic “5 Ways Infographic” all you’ve got to do is go to GetRichEducation.com/Book.   That’s got to be one of the greatest deals anywhere. That’s where you can opt-in to get the electronic version of my int’l bestselling book, free, emailed right to you.   Then a few weeks later, the “5 Ways You’re Paid Infographic” is automatically sent to you too.   That’s at GetRichEducation.com/Book   More next. I’m Keith Weinhold. This is Get Rich Education. ________________________   Welcome back to Get Rich Education. I’m Keith Weinhold.   Hope you like our humorous moments to lighten up the show here. Hey, you run a little math on audio and … it begs for some embellishment to spice things up.    When it comes to the up to five ways you’re paid in real estate investing. Yeah, since I first discussed this more than five years ago, I’ve noticed that other REI educators now teach the same thing.   I don’t know whether they credit that to me or not - and you know what - I don’t really care whether they do or not. I mean, it’s cool if they do, but …   … the more important thing to me is that conscientious people get the information. Share it. That is so much more important than anyone getting the credit.   So just … share it.   “Helping the people” is more important than “getting the credit”.    I think that the world would be a better place - imagine if everyone put “helping the people” before “getting the credit”.    I don’t own trademarks so that I can go after people that say the same stuff that I do. That’s just not in my nature. I’d rather do productive things with my time.   The trademarks are thre just because I wouldn’t want someone else to swoop in and tell me that I can’t use something that I might have come up with in the first place.   When it comes to “helping the people” and “getting the credit”, now, everyone has influences - things they learn from others. You & I are no different that way.    Even those that influence you were influenced by someone else before them.   Well, I DO like to give credit to those that I learned from, so ...    Though I know he’s a polarizing figure to some people, credit is due to Robert Kiyosaki and the Rich Dad Company. Learn more about them at RichDad.com   The most important lesson that I learned there is “Don’t live below means. Expand your means.”   It’s more important to increase your income than cut your expenses.    Don’t make a budget. You’re just tearing things down.    Instead, build a cash flow statement. Now you’re constructing. Now you’re making more of yourself, not less. These are really Rich Dad principles and helped develop my mindset.   Now, as for who helped turn this mindset into something actionable? I’ve got to give props to “The Real Estate Guys” - Robert Helms and Russell Gray. Learn more about them at RealEstateGuysRadio.com    That’s the first place that I learned, for example, that in real estate, the market is more important than the property.   Look, you can’t very well be in your crib with your trading app and just order up real estate - even though people are building online marketplaces.    But one mistake people make is that they buy property because the numbers look good based on some YT video they watched on how to crunch the numbers - but they know nothing about the market or the team.    Then they buy it. Then only after they go buy it, NEXT they go looking for a PM and hope there’s a good one that can handle it.    Then next, they try to figure out the market that they already bought in.   That does not work. They’ve got it backwards. If the market and your property manager check out, then & only then do you get the property in that market.   It’s sad when people get that wrong. That’s why people walk away from RE & they say that RE doesn’t work.   Well, no, that investor wasn’t very strategic. But you CAN understand how that happens to people.   And it was great to have both authors of the “Rich Dad, Poor Dad” book Robert Kiyosaki and Sharon Lechter - and The Real Estate Guys all here on Get Rich Education with us multiple times.    Another set of influencers are two guys that you’ve never heard of before.    Their names are Chris and Raj. They are simply two longtime friends of mine that bought four-plex buildings.   That got me to make my first-ever property that seminal four-plex building where, with a 3.5% down payment I lived in one unit, rented out the other three, and that started it all for me.   These otherwise “regular guys” reinforce the quote from the late Jim Rohn, “You Are The Average Of The Five People That You Spend The Most Time With”.   Today, I’m a collector of real estate - most of it in the United States. Being the geography guy that I am, did you know that I have a world map on the wall of our garage …   … and I have a little red sticker - little red dots on top of those areas where I own property. Yeah, it makes this real estate collecting kind of visual. Maybe you want to try that too.     Well, one part of the world that I’ve been adding more red dots to lately is where I’ve been buying - across Florida.    Areas around Tampa, Orlando, and Jacksonville all make sense from a cash yield perspective.   A lot of BRAND NEW construction properties have numbers that work there, especially where our Orlando provider - that’s Greater Central Florida really - have been actively sourcing brand new construction property in Sebring, Florida, among other nearby places.    Sebring is pretty much smack dab in the center of peninsular Florida, south of Orlando.   These single-family homes that make great rentals have a metal roof, they’re 3 bed, 2 bath, and the prices really are remarkable - $179,900 and $159,900.    Yes, that’s for new construction in Sebring, Florida.   The rent-to-price ratios are a very attractive eight-tenths of one percent or so. Quite good for new construction, plus you’ve got the tailwind of extremely low interest rates as well.   And when it’s new construction, the PROPERTY INSURANCE premiums are so reasonable too.   If you’d like to learn more about those, you can do so at GetRichEducation.com/Orlando   It isn’t just single-family rental homes. New construction duplexes are available too.    That’s GetRichEducation.com/Orlando   You know that I often like to leave you with something actionable like this at the end of an episode.   And knowing and doing are two very different things.   How do we already know that? Well ...   Many people aren’t at their ideal body weight … and it isn’t because they don’t know what to do, they just aren’t doing it.   You also need time to figure out what you want to do. I like eating pizza, for example,  but it took me eating different foods in order to find that out. I had to try and do.   Learning is best done by trial-and-error but it doesn’t have to be YOUR trial-and-error.    Learn from me. I’ll even eat your pizza for you!   I help give you the information you need to make an informed decision.   I connect you with property teams with proven track records - many of whom I invest with myself.   You ultimately choose your investments.   There’s risk with anything … anything in life.    You either take the risk or lose the chance. I think it’s helpful too, that you follow someone that’s been through a recession.    I’ve been investing for … nearly 18 years … it’ll be 18 years next month … since I bought that landmark four-plex building.   Teach you how to fish or GIVE you a fish? Well, why not do both? You can get the fish at GetRichEducation.com/Orlando   Have you ever wondered where your money is? Well, the world already has your money. You just need to go out and claim it.   I’m Keith Weinhold - grateful, as always for your listenership. I look forward to chatting with you again next week.   Don’t Quit Your Daydream!

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300: Today’s Hottest Rental Type, Why Money Is A Taboo Topic

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Play Episode Listen Later Jul 6, 2020 44:34


Homes with many small bedrooms are hotly desired today. Why? In an economic rough patch, people need roommates. Secondly, home offices are more popular than ever. Residents increasingly want yards today too. Gardening is popular as a hedge against disruptions in the food supply chain. This all makes single-family homes more popular than apartments. *The entire episode transcript is below.* The debt-to-income ratio requirement is positioned to be removed from qualified mortgages. Three listener questions are answered:  1) What about CapEx expenses?  2) What about all these property notices I get in the mail?  3) What happened to the coffee and cacao providers? I give you four reasons about why money is a taboo topic.  Learn the least likely money topic that people are willing to discuss. The most I ever made at my day job was $108,000. People must stop equating net worth with self-worth.  Resources mentioned: April Home Prices Grew 5.5%: https://www.housingwire.com/articles/u-s-home-prices-grew-5-5-in-april-despite-pandemic/ Why Money Is A Taboo Topic - Ally Bank survey: https://media.ally.com/2015-11-24-Holiday-Tip-Most-Americans-Say-Social-Conversations-About-Money-are-Taboo-According-to-Ally-Banks-Money-Talks-Study The Atlantic: Why Americans Don’t Talk About Money Mortgage Loans: RidgeLendingGroup.com QRPs: text “QRP” in ALL CAPS to 72000 or: eQRP.co By texting “QRP” to 72000 and opting in, you will receive periodic marketing messages from eQRP Co. Message & data rates may apply. Reply “STOP” to cancel. New Construction Turnkey Property: NewConstructionTurnkey.com Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Top Properties & Providers: GREturnkey.com Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith’s personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Welcome to Get Rich Education. I’m your host, Keith Weinhold.   Talking about today’s hottest rental type, then my favorite guest is here on milestone Episode 300 - because that guest is you - as I help with your listener questions about your rental property operations, then “Why Money Is A Taboo Topic” (why DO people hide their salary?), and finally a little Episode 300 bonus. All today, on Get Rich Education. _____________________ Hey, you’re inside GRE. From Phoenix, AZ to Phoenixville, PA and across 188 nations worldwide. I’m Keith Weinhold.    This IS that show that’s created more financial freedom than nearly any show in the world.   You’re listening to milestone Episode 300 of Get Rich Education. More on that later.   The hottest INCOME PROPERTY housing type today could very well be single-family rental (SFR) homes that have many small bedrooms.    Four bedrooms is often better than three. Three is better than two.   Yeah, today, a high number of small bedrooms is being favored over fewer large bedrooms.   For one thing, this is because as the economy is in a rough patch, more people seek roommates to share housing costs.   Also, with more people working from home now, they want the extra bedroom for quiet office privacy.   You probably already understand that more residents prefer SFRs over apartments to avoid common areas like laundry rooms and hallways and even elevators.   Another reason boosting SFR demand today is something that you might be overlooking when it comes to rental property … because often, you’re thinking about things INSIDE the property like amenities, and square footage, and layout.    But another reason renters increasingly want single-family rentals are yards. Now sometimes, duplexes might have a fenced yard for each side too, of course.   But … why are yards more desired today?   Well, there are a few reasons. In the pandemic, people have discovered gardening like the hunter-gatherers did.   Yeah, gardening as a hedge against these disruptions in the food supply chain.   In fact, Burpee Seed Company recently had the highest sales in its 144-year history.   People are gardening. In fact, the homeowner’s association in my own neighborhood recently put it to a vote among residents about “OK’ing” having a second detached building in your backyard (only 1 maximum is allowed now) and that’s because more people want to have a greenhouse today.   Gardens and greenhouses - these are most conducive to single-family rentals.   People are even buying egg-laying chickens like never before. It’s kind of a back-to-basics subculture that’s emerging.   Yes, humans are mammals and mammals need sustenance! Haha.   You need food and you need real estate.   In the midst of The Great Shutdown, people want to do more with their lawns.    Lowe’s & Home Depot are doing really well - and they’re selling home-dwellers a lot of things like Inflatable pools, patio furniture, and trampolines.   Then back indoors, yeah, you may very well want to tilt your new property buys into SFRs with more small bedrooms.   Sometimes, older SFHs can have four or even five bedrooms. One reason for that is that families had more children generations ago.   Family sizes are smaller now. So if you still have a 4-5 bedroom place, it can work well for either roommates or home offices.   If you're the "hands-on" type, building a wall to divide a large bedroom has rarely been more lucrative than it’s been lately.   Now, one 300 sf bedroom is pretty big. Dividing it into two bedrooms of 150sf each is paying off more than it has in the past.   They are some housing trends in the pandemic - demand for SFR with more small bedrooms and a yard for a garden.   In the pandemic, the broader economy is getting "bailed out" more often than a bank behaving badly.   It's not just quantitative easing, dropping interest rates on every loan type, or loosening bank reserve requirements or putting free checks into unemployed people’s hands.   Many real estate investors are getting support … almost like they had opened their own GoFundMe account.      Low supply keeps housing prices buoyant. Low mortgage rates keep demand high. Forbearance keeps borrowers from defaulting - so that further supports prices.   Now, the debt-to-income ratio (DTI) requirement is positioned to be removed from qualified mortgages.   This means borrowers that have higher existing monthly debt payments on everyday things like their car or their credit cards could now qualify for new mortgage loans - when they couldn't previously.   Well, what this does is that it creates a larger buyer pool. More people have the capacity to qualify and buy property.   This larger buyer pool serves to further push up real estate prices - and that’s both investment property and primary residences.    Well, eliminating the DTI is great news if you want to lock up more property at these historically low interest rates.   But there can be too much of a good thing. It's a call-to-vigilance to be sure we don't return to those loosey-goosey days of, say, 2005.   That's when virtually anyone with a name and a signature could get a loan. Borrowers lied about their income on loan applications and the income wasn't checked - it wasn’t even confirmed in underwriting.   So then, people with historically low-paying jobs like movie theater ushers & dishwashers & pedicurists could sometimes own a fairly lavish home back then.   When appreciation stopped in 2007, liar-borrowers had no equity to remove for servicing the payments … and that whole thing didn't end well.    We're nowhere near that point. But watch that pendulum swing.    If you’re buying for resilient cash flow, you’re not so price sensitive anyway.   -----   The first one of your listener questions today comes from Chad in Saline, Michigan.   Keith, I like your easy-to-remember VIMTUM explanation of expenses but why are you excluding CapEx expenses from the cash flow calculation?   OK, thanks, Chad.   Let me translate if you, the listener, are uninitiated on this.    The easy way to remember how to calculate your monthly cash flow is to take your rental income and subtract out your mortgage (that’s principal & interest) and your operating expenses, which I call your VIMTUM. V-I-M-T-U-M.    That’s just an acronym I use for your regularly, recurring operating expenses and VIMTUM stands for Vacancy, Insurance, Maint., Taxes, Utilities, and Mgmt. V-I-M-T-U-M   What Chad is asking about are CapEx - which a shorthand way of saying Capital Expenditures.   CapEx means large, IRregular expenses that an investor or even a homeowner - often incurs with their property over longer periods of time.   An example is, what happens when your roof needs to be replaced? A lot of roofs have a 25-year life expectancy.   Now, your property’s water heater has more like a 10-year life expectancy.   Chad is basically asking me how I’m accounting for that when figuring cash flow. I think I addressed this on a prior episode, but it’s been a long time so I’ll bring a fresh angle to the answer.   First of all, I’ve mentioned previously that it's prudent to keep 3-5% of the TOTAL value of your property portfolio in a liquid side fund.    So if all your properties are worth $1M, you’d have $30K - $50K in cash or cash equivalents.   If you’ve just got your, say first turnkey at $100K - have $3 to $5K set aside.   Note that when you qualify for a mortgage in the first place, mortgage loan underwriting typically requires that you have reserves already.   And, by the way, this liquid side fund should be in addition to any overall liquid emergency fund that you have in your life.   But, Chad, on your CapEx question, you might still be thinking ...   Yes, I want to take some of those dollars that you’ve felt compelled to put in a liquid side fund account monthly and factor THAT in to your property ROI. I get that. Here’s the thing.   If you follow … really … the entire wealth formula espoused here on the show, your CapEx expense should be limited. You’re going to pay less in CapEx expenses than other investors.   Why is that? It’s because at the 8-to-10 year mark, which is before a lot of major CapEx items need attention, you’re going to sell your property and 1031 Exchange it into the next one - or hopefully into two at that point.   That is all driven by the fact that, after most any 10-year slice in the housing market, you’re going to have appreciation, hence accumulated equity.   As you know, home equity is unsafe, illiquid, and its rate of return is always zero.   So it’s really due to math and the loss of leverage that makes you move your property along before CapEx expenses kick in.   And with SFRs, you can sell to an owner-occupant buyer that typically get emotions behind the home and isn’t at all concerned that you were the one that enjoyed the new roof in its first ten years of use or whatever.    Now, if you have substantial enquiry accumulation after 10 years on a property that performs really well and you want to hold onto it, then you might do a cash-out refi and have CapEx expenses like a new water heater.   So, thanks for your excellent question, Chad.     One other thing I’d like to mention that a lot of real estate people don’t like to talk about are to, in general, run your cash flow projections fairly conservatively.   That is because, in real estate, unexpected expenses are more common than unexpected income.   Thanks, Chad.   The next question comes from Lori in Pasadena, CA.    Lori says, “Keith, love listening to you. You’ve got the most relevant real estate show out there. Wow, thanks for that.  Things are going fairly well with the properties that I buy through GRETurnkey.com but with each buy, I get more & more of these various letters in the mai that I have to deal with.   The latest one is an annual property rental fee statement from Florida. Things like this continue to cut into my time … umm … and then Lori goes on to give another example.   OK, Lori. Yeah, what she’s talking about here … is that the Florida municipality - the town - where her rental SFH is located has this annoying little administrative charge.   They charge a whole $50 per year to Lori for this property because she’s an out-of-area investor that has the “privilege” of owning Florida rental property in their town.   This is basically like a tax excised by the town where she owns her property.   What something like this really is Lori is … a nuisance. Just reading the form, and figuring it out what it is, and seeing how that Florida town accepts the payment. It IS annoying. It cuts into your time.   In fact, I got a piece of nuisance mail for one of my apartment buildings just yesterday.      This is from a utility provider - the natural gas provider to the building. Basically, the natural gas company is working on a high-pressure gas transmission pipeline, and the R-O-W for the pipeline is apparently within ⅛ of a mile of this apartment building of mine.   The letter said that the property residents should be informed.   Well, Lori, with the piece of nuisance mail that you received and the one that I got, here’s what you do. Get it out of your life. Get that nuisance mail out of your life.   Now, I don’t mean “throw it away”. This all comes down to one word - and that word is “manager”.    What I did was get out my phone, I took a photo of this letter, sent the letter image to my Property Manager right away.    I asked them to handle it - and also asked the manager to make sure to tell the letter sender that any future correspondence like this be sent to the manager, not me.   You know what we just did, Lori. We both just increased our ROTI. Yes, we just increased that all-important investor metric that’s even more important than ROI.   ROTI is your Return on Time Invested.   I’m a big proponent after having a professional Property Manager. Remember, it’s their job to handle communications with your residents like this - and it doesn’t cost you anything extra.   Remember to outsource these little nuisances to your PM.   Lori, I don’t know how many properties you have, but just say you have a total of ten rental doors.    With a portfolio that size, some months, you might have what investors call “a perfect month” - that is, a month with zero repairs or maintenance in your portfolio.   But whenever you do, sometimes you might wonder - well, what did I pay the manager for?    Well, you still paid your manager to collect the rent and pay your bills and itemize your statements, and just have the peace of mind that your tenants can’t get ahold of your DIRECTLY at an inconvenient time.   But ensuring that your manager handles all your nuisance notices such that you don’t even know that you got one … that increases your Return on Time Invested.    Be that responsible owner. Do good in the world. You want a nuisance tax notice to get paid, you want your tenants to be informed about nearby utility work - but be sure to outsource it and keep your quality of life.    Like I’m fond of saying, “Be sure your quality of life exceeds your cost of living”.    Bottom line is - Use your manager. Thanks for the question, Lori!     The next question is from Brian in Austin, TX. Brian says:    Hi Keith, I am an investor with $7 million in value across 32 properties. (Nice job there, Brian). I noticed you are not promoting coffee and cocoa any longer and was curious if there was concern or a reason behind it? Thanks, Brian.   Alright, Brian. What he’s referring to is that at GREturnkey.com - where our list of cash-flowing property providers is, there used to be a page for coffee investing there and a page for cacao investing there - and they’re both currently gone.   Brian, what happened is that, with the provider there - and its the same provider for both types of agricultural investment - that is, where you, the investor, get cash flow from the ANNUAL harvest of coffee and cacao is that that provider is having trouble with the deeding process where those parcels are located - namely, in Panama.   The provider is still delivering the land deeds to all the investors. But working with the municipality there is taking so long that this long, drawn-out deeding process was frustrating to some investors.    In fact, it might have taken me … something like two years to get my deeds for my coffee farm parcels. I don’t really remember - but it took awhile.   Anyway, those offerings aren’t currently on GREturnkey.com because the provider is changing their model, in part because of the slow deeding process. They’re listening to your input and responding. They’re doing, really, what you would want them to do.   So they are moving toward a Private Placement model. That way, they can issue the share certificates in a matter of weeks, not years like it is with the deeds, and they can focus their time and effort on actually developing, growing and operating the business.   Another is that under the deeded model, they couldn’t accept IRA funds any longer.   So, expect coffee and cacao to be back on GREturnkey.com at a later time. That’s why they’re not there now. There aren’t any more deeded parcels available - and they’re changing their model.    But, of course, they’re still working on getting the deeds for those that have bought those farm parcels in the last few years & still don’t have their deeds.   The main reason that you’ll see a provider be removed from GREturnkey.com is that they’ve run out of INVENTORY in that market.    If a provider doesn’t have inventory & doesn’t actively source it, then there’s no reason to waste your time & have it there at GREturnkey.com.   That is all for our listener questions today.   Homes prices for April grew 5-and-a-half percent year-over-year despite the pandemic. Yes, real estate is slow moving and we’re still looking at April data here near mid-summer.   That article is in the Show Notes for you.    My guess is that I wouldn’t really expect an appreciation rate that high over the NEXT year.   But one thing that is supporting prices are those “erstwhile” mentioned low, low mortgage interest rates that are even lower than the ocean floor at this point.    Let’s look at mortgage interest rates decade-by-decade. Gosh, this is just remarkable.    It gives you perspective sort of like a while ago when I played those cornball television commercial ads from the 1980s where you could finance a car for an 11% APR - and that was touted as a great deal.   Well, let’s look at the average 30-year fixed OO mortgage rate that was issued in the 1970s.   It was 8.9% then. That was the average rate. Inflation was increasing.   By the 1980s decade, inflation had reached a crescendo. This was the Voelcker Era - where Fed Chair Paul Voelcker famously raised interest rates to try to stomp out runaway inflation.   And Voelcker’s bold move WAS successful. But this helped result in a 1980s decade mortgage rate of 12.7%. Gosh, 12.7%.   By the 1990s, they settled down to 8.1%.   By the 2000s decade, down to 6.3%. Yeah, that sounds about right - I bought my first ever property in 2002 at right about that rate - it was 6-⅜%.   By the 2010s decade, we had low interest rates to pull us out of The Great Recession and they stayed low. In fact, the average for the 2010s decade was … 4.1%.   That felt unprecedented at the time. Well, today, take another full percentage point off that yet. Mortgage interest rates are 3.1% today … as we’re here early in the 2020s decade.   Just astonishing. 3.1%.   Now, interest rates correlate with inflation. So today we’re in a low inflation environment and hence, a low interest rate environment.   Well, coming up here on the show next week, one of the world’s most prominent economists will be on the show with me and we’re going to discuss Inflation vs. Deflation.    Which side is winning … and what is going to happen next. Of course, we’ll discuss the state of the broader real estate economy and so much more as well. That’s next week.   I hope that you are doing well. We’ve been largely sheltering-in-place here at our home in Anchorage, Alaska. I’m coming to you from Anchorage today.   Next week, if all goes as planned - it’s an awkward time for cross-continental travel, but I’ll be flying into Buffalo, New York, and then spending a good chunk of this month in both western New York State and mostly Pennsylvania … as I’m visiting family. I think I’ve told you before that I feel like I won the “parent lottery”.   My terrific parents have lived in the same upstate Pennsylvania home since 1974. They've also had the same phone number for all 46 years.    And when I visit them, I still sleep in my same bedroom that I slept in as a baby. I love Curt & Penny Weinhold - and I am so grateful and inspired by their example of goodness and stability.   As far as events - if you want to meet in-person. I had hoped to do meetups in New York City and Philadelphia this summer, as well as a Harrisburg, Pennsylvania real estate field trip. But COVID has wiped out all of that.   Of course, as always, you can keep up-to-date on all of that GetRichEducation.com/Events   Some other live speaking events have gone virtual. For example, I’ll no longer be speaking in Birmingham, Alabama at the Spartan Summit this coming October.    But I will be speaking at their “event gone virtual”. In fact, I’ll be the speaker KICKING OFF The Spartan Summit. Again, learn more at GetRichEducation.com/Events.   I hope to do some or all of the live New York City, Philly and Harrisburg events next year.    For milestone Episode 300 here, do you like the Get Rich Education … theme music? Or did you at least, wonder where the now-familiar-to-you music comes from.     Well, we don’t purport to be any type of music channel. This is an investing show.   But this one time, for Episode 300, we’re going to play all of it - it’s two minutes long - at the end of the show today.    We own the royalty-free track. This show launched in 2014, and this track has been our theme music since late 2017. It’s from a DJ named Wicksford and it’s called “Cannot Be Stopped”.    But first - why don’t people talk about money? Why are other people so secretive about their salary? Why is money considered a taboo topic, then anyway? That’s next.    I’m Keith Weinhold. You’re listening to the wealth-building Get Rich Education.  ___________________   Welcome back to Get Rich Education. You are listening to milestone Episode 300.   We’ve been talking about some of your harder real estate investing skills today.   Well, what about mindset?   Why Don’t People Talk About Money? Why is money a taboo topic - one of those things that you just don’t talk about? It’s taboo stuff - right up there with politics, sex, and religion? Well, if people would stop equating self-worth with net worth, then talking about money would not be this big taboo thing.   According to a survey conducted by Ally Bank, 70% of Americans think that it’s rude to talk about money.  Just, get this - Research shows people would rather talk with a stranger about an STD than their salary. Oh geez. You’d rather tell someone you have an STD than tell them how much you make? People would rather admit to contracting gonorrhea than fessing up that they only make $54,000 a year. Sheesh!!  Oh, gosh … and did I really just use that word on the show. Especially here on Milestone Episode 300? So … well why this … society-wide gag rule? Why does this taboo exist? I think that it all boils down to about four big reasons. People don’t talk about money because, most people don’t have much money. So there’s this negative association. Talking about money is proportionate to talking about problems. If you’ve had more financial success in life, then it can be easy to forget that so many people think this way.  The second reason that “money talk” and especially “salary talk” is taboo is that because if you have a lot of money … you know what can happen to you?  Someone might ask you to borrow it. Well, lending money to family or friends is a great way to strain relationships. If they’re late to pay you back, then it’s rude for you to even ask someone when they’re going to repay you. Another reason that there’s a prohibition of “money talk” … at least in America here … is because many Americans put a higher value on PRIVACY than other societies do. Now, I think that there are gradations of what money TOPICS are acceptable to discuss and what are not. I’m pretty sure that I’ve told you on a previous show - though at this point, 300 episodes, sometimes I can forget - but I’m pretty sure that I told you that the most that I ever made at my day job before quitting it more than five years ago was $108K. At times, I had to work more than forty hours a week for that.  Now, that might be $125K in today’s inflation-adjusted dollars, but that salary was no longer that interesting to me when my real estate provides value to people with very little of my involvement. Now, I’m kind of a rare person for me to even mention - a past salary like that - even though it was kind of in a former life of mine. In America, if something costs even more than a few hundred dollars, MAYBE you shouldn’t mention it. If your friend bought a canoe for the lake - you might want to know how much it cost, but you’re hesitant to ask them the question.   When we talk about gradations of cultural acceptance, I think that if you inquire about the cost of your friend’s lunch yesterday—that’s a transaction with pretty limited connections to the past and future—and that generally isn’t off-limits.   Now, in Israel, people OPENLY discuss salary. Why is that? Well, there are a couple reasons. It’s because a place like Israel historically places a lower cultural premium on privacy.  Another reason … is that a place like Israel and other places in the world have higher levels of labor unionization. You see, “once it’s collective bargaining, it’s not as personal”. When you’re a member of a labor union, you often know each other’s job classification and that job title is rigidly tied to a fixed and publicly-viewable salary or wage.  And then, really another reason for the cultural “Money talk taboo” in America, is because asking someone what they earn means that you are indirectly questioning their personal worth.”  “By contrast, in China personal worth is not primarily indexed to financial worth, but rather one’s ‘quality’ or what they call “SUZZ-eee” (suzhi).  Your moral and ethical values cannot be reduced to economic value.” Yeah, I really respect that. Getting back to the Ally Bank survey - what they found is that when people DO discuss finances socially, nearly one half of the survey respondents said they prefer to keep it neutral - for example, talking about price comparisons on goods and services like granola bars or a manicure, or where to find a better interest rate on a savings account." It also found that younger people are more open about discussing money More than any other age group, millennials (59 percent of them) acknowledged talking with others about their income, savings and debt, even though nearly two-thirds agreed it is rude or inappropriate to talk about money in a social setting.    In fact, almost half say they disclose their income to others, and 62 percent say it is important for them to surround themselves with people who they feel are financially secure. So, even kind of the second-youngest generation today, Millennials, would rather be around people that are financially-secure. Hmmm … that’s really “telling”.    Now, what I found interesting is that the survey revealed that: The majority of respondents said they discuss sensitive money matters with family is 69 percent, with financial professionals is 26 percent, and with friends is only 22%, while only 8% percent said they discuss sensitive money matters with work colleagues.  That shows more there that when you to talk about it - it’s deemed to be a real breach of professionalism to discuss this stuff at work.   People are most likely to disclose their income (39 percent) over savings (30 percent) or debt (29 percent) to family and friends. That tells you that disclosing debt is the most embarrassing for people. Of course, that’s mainstream society.  Here at Get Rich Education, displaying the amount of good debt that you have probably says something rather positive about your real estate portfolio size.   Now, in WORKING-CLASS communities, the money taboo can be weaker there.  Jennifer Silva is a sociologist at Indiana University and she researched the coal-producing region of Pennsylvania. The bottom line is that the working-class families she’s interviewed didn’t hesitate to disclose specifics about their income, rent amount, or expenditures.  “People would say, ‘I’m an open book,’ and they’d be straightforward, open, not ashamed.”  They freely discussed “the challenges or even impossibilities of supporting a family on minimum-wage work” and almost acted a little proud of their resourcefulness, like “how they would make their budget stretch, such as buying ground meat in bulk and freezing portions to make it last.” You know, from my personal vantage point, sometimes you will BE around people that you know make substantially less money than you, And you know what, you DO find yourself tilting the conversation so that person isn’t made uncomfortable. What about when you go get your hair cut? I mean, the 15-minute conversation that takes place between me & the person that cuts my hair … it’s like, if they ask me what I did this weekend - and I stayed in a resort and they already told me that they played basketball with their kids or something else - even though basketball with your kids might be a GREATER activity in a sense than staying at a resort … I don’t mention staying at a resort because it sounds hoity-toity … a little snobbish. Kinda unrelatable to them. So then maybe I’ll tilt that chat to NBA Basketball or something. Chat about something that’s not so socioeconomically stratified. You can always find that common ground somewhere.  You know, another personal anecdote, in my life, I do a lot of these 5K running races & other events like that. The race event makes my time publicly available. The local news outlets might even pick up those races times and publish them.  Anyone can see it. Well, that is a measure of my fitness on that day. There are clearly plenty of runners that rank both above me and below me. So, that’s made public? But yet salaries are not?  Somehow, American society does not equate physical fitness nearly to the degree that we evaluate and stratify how much money you make. I don’t know that it should be that way, but it is. I think that’s rather weird. Revealing how much money you make, to many people,  “exposes how you’re valued by your employer and how your contribution is valued even more broadly, by the community.” That makes an ounce of sense, sure, but why such a high value? I don’t get that part. Few people would think “You are worthless because you haven't broken the 20-minute mark in a 5K yet.”  But for some reason, WAAAY more people would equate you with having a lower worth if, say they learned that you only made $54,000.  Now, Eli Cook - he’s a history professor at the University of (HIGH-fuh) Haifa and the author of a book on the topic, says that this money taboo has been going on for about 150 years in America.   In the late 1800s and early 1900s, he says that many Americans internalized the lessons of mainstream neoclassical economics, which suggested, through [the economist] John Bates Clark’s theory of marginal productivity, that everyone earns what they in fact produced.”    So … that’s one opinion on about HOW LONG this has been taking place.   Really, what a lot of this comes down to is that the everyday conversations that you have with others are filled with questions about what people buy, what they do for a living, or how long they’ve been investing in real estate, and where they went to school.  And once you know all of those things about someone else, the salary or net worth or cash flow are less important … because all of this is CONTEXT that you have about others - and these are all really proxies for class position anyway.   When we can stop equating net worth with self-worth, money has a chance of no longer being a taboo topic … and that really is, the big takeaway.   I trust that you’ve been enjoying MILESTONE Episode 300 of Get Rich Education.   As always, to get the Show Notes, you can go to GetRichEducation.com/300 - since that’s the episode number.    In fact, this week, you’ll find the entire transcript to the episode if you would like to read along … or you tell someone else about the show and tell them about the option to read as they listen.   Above all, I have got to thank you for listening. I hear from so many people that tell me when they discover this show, they want to go back & listen to all 300 episodes …   … usually because I hear one of two things. They say it makes actionable real estate investing more CLEAR than anywhere else … or that it's changed their investor MINDSET more than anything else.    Remember, if you’re interested, hang around until the very end of the show today to hear the entire uncut theme music … as a little Episode 300 bonus.    More importantly, if you’re one of those people that STILL has not bought your first property.    You can’t TIME the market, and you can’t make any money from the property that you don’t own.    As long as you’ve been educating yourself for a while, then, if you think that inexperience is the only thing holding you back, well, then the only way to GET that needed experience and learning is to act.   Some people wait for ALL blue sky and everything to be perfect before they begin. Well … that really never happens.   You’ll either change what you’re doing … or you’ll keep what you’ve got.   Teach a man to fish … or give a man a fish?   Well, here, we do both. At Get Rich Education, we TEACH you how to fish.    GREturnkey.com is our sister website where we GIVE you a fish too - with top national turnkey providers.   Get your mortgage pre-approval and download a provider report. We give you all 8 main steps at the top of the page there.   View available properties, make an offer, please get a third-party property inspection, then comes the appraisal, then sign a Property Management Agreement …   … have your property closing, and finally, own the property and enjoy the collected RENT that your PM auto-deposits into your bank account. Get started at GREturnkey.com   I’m your host, Keith Weinhold and I’ll be back next week and every week to help you build your wealth. Don’t Quit Your Daydream!

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290: Free Money? Mortgage Forbearance And You

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Play Episode Listen Later Apr 27, 2020 32:51


You can postpone mortgage payments with forbearance.  If you collect rent payments from your tenants, can you pocket it all and not pay your mortgage? What a windfall! (Complete episode transcript is below. Read along as you listen.) In crisis times, your cash flow is your cushion. Last year, the publication “Emerging Trends In Real Estate” forecast that the chances of a pandemic roiling the economy were low. The CARES Act’s effect is discussed. Payments follow five links in a chain: employer - renter - investor - mortgage servicer - mortgage-backed security holder. What’s the difference between a lender and a mortgage servicer? Ethics and greed. Are there deleterious consequences of forbearance? Resources mentioned: Read episode transcript at: www.GetRichEducation.com/290 CFPB Video on CARES Act: https://www.consumerfinance.gov/coronavirus/ cares-act-mortgage-forbearance-what-you-need-know/ Mortgage Loans: RidgeLendingGroup.com QRPs: text “QRP” in ALL CAPS to 72000 or: TotalControlFinancial.com By texting “QRP” to 72000 and opting in, you will receive periodic marketing messages from eQRP Co. Message & data rates may apply. Reply “STOP” to cancel. New Construction Turnkey Property: NewConstructionTurnkey.com Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith’s personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Complete episode transcript:   Welcome to Get Rich Education. I’m your host, Keith Weinhold. You can potentially collect your rent income from tenants and then, turn around and NOT pay the mortgage loans on those properties for a few months, pocketing a nice profit. But should you?    In the pandemic-induced world of eviction moratoriums and mortgage loan forbearance, there will be winners and losers. I’m helping you sort that out so that you can be one of the winners - and more - today on Get Rich Education. ____________________   Welcome to GRE. From Olympia, Greece to Olympia, Washington and across 188 nations worldwide. I’m Keith Weinhold, this is Get Rich Education, and we are all living in strange times.    The squeeze for some of us, I think is encapsulated in Jerry Constantino of Queens, New York’s situation.   He’s talking with owners of the roughly 500 units that he manages, who are worried what’s going to happen if the rent checks stop coming in.    As part of his Property Management duties, Jerry is talking with tenants, many of whom he assumes will be delinquent this month because they either lost their jobs or they’re just choosing not to pay.    Jerry’s a hard-working guy and he knows that the tenant in Unit 31-A has paid his yet, and it’s a few days past due.    But yet Jerry knows that this tenant hasn’t lost his job and ought to be able to pay rent on time like he always did before the pandemic.   Jerry sees this tenant from Unit 31-A in the hallway and says, “Don’t mess with me dude, where is the rent?”   And by the way, Jerry got a little gruff and his words weren’t exactly “Don’t MESS with me…” but that’s the version that you get here on this unapologetically squeaky-clean lyrics show.   And besides MANAGING property for others, Jerry is also in discussions with banks, trying to figure out how he’ll make mortgage payments because he’s got properties that HE owns HIMSELF during this worsening global health crisis.   And, a lot of people find themselves in a situation similar to what Jerry is in. Some large property owners have already rolled out payment plans for their tenants - and halted evictions - because they legally have to - as the coronavirus outbreak roils the economy.  Many apartments in the U.S. are essentially small businesses that tend to have less financial flexibility and will need some help ... in the coming months. Now, there are some choices for the millions of Americans who lost their jobs and have no clear prospects for when they’ll get them back.  Three things that are aiding TENANTS right now, helping them pay the rent are: eviction moratoriums, unemployment benefits and cash payments - like those $1,200 stimulus checks - from the federal government that can help many keep a roof over their heads. Nearly half of the nation’s 44 million renter households were already stretched financially: before the pandemic. The University of Chicago found that ONE-THIRD of adults can’t cover necessities after missing just … one ... single paycheck.    One in four tenant families pay over half of their income just to make the rent payment.   We’re basically going to break down Jerry Constantino - the King Of Queens’ - situation here, being mindful that ....   In general, the average Get Rich Education listener is better off than the average real estate investor for a number of reasons.   For starters, one of our core principles here is that we invest predominantly in residential real estate. That is due to its durable utility.   Coronavirus has changed a lot in society, but it has NOT changed the fact that people still need a place to live.   You’ve got to be grateful that we focus on residential because it’s recession resilient.   Most landlords are still getting 80 to 90% of the rent income, even 100% if you’ve got a small portfolio.    Just think about how many businesses aren’t getting nearly 80-90% of their income now? The restaurants, and bars and gyms, airlines, cruise ships, hotels, on & on … are they even getting 30%?   Though it’s the exception, some businesses, like large retailers might be getting 105% of their usual income now.    We also focus on investor-advantaged markets here at Get Rich Education - with the principle that the market is more important than the property.    And so many people get that backwards.   We discuss the advantages of being invested in multiple markets so that your tenant income streams are from diverse employers. Anyone that doesn’t adhere to that is in more trouble.   Also, we focus on buying property that cash flows on the day that you buy it - where the monthly income exceeds the monthly expenses on your settlement day - on the day that you buy - not “maybe it’ll cash flow sometime in the future”.   Look, in times of crisis, your cash flow ... is your cushion.   Here’s what I mean. To keep it simple, if every one of your properties rents for $1,000 and has $800 in monthly expenses, you’ve got a $200 monthly cash flow on each one.   You’d have to lose - just outright lose - and never recover wholly 20% of your income and then you’d still break even on a monthly basis.   This is what I mean that in crisis time, your cash flow becomes your cushion.   If you have a 10% rent loss, your cushion is half-eaten, and your cash flow becomes $100 per door. You can’t kick tenants out for a while because there’s an eviction moratorium.   But, you can also be granted loan forbearance and not have to pay your mortgage. So you might be able to profit wildly at this time.    Each of these things - an eviction moratorium and mortgage loan forbearance are part of the recently-passed CARES Act. I’ve got way more on that later … whether you’re in Jerry’s situation or you’re better off.   Let’s pull back and look at how unlikely this Black Swan Event known as the coronavirus pandemic really is, first.    Here’s some perspective. Last year, the publication called “Emerging Trends In Real Estate” launched a survey that’s just so, so interesting now that we have the benefit of hindsight.   They launched a survey last year called “The Importance of ISSUES for real estate in 2020”. They were FORECASTING the following year - this year.   A pandemic was NOT forecast to be an important issue at all for real estate this year.     In fact, the #1 survey answer was predicted to be the political landscape. That could make sense as this is an election year, and divisive partisanship sure is not abating.   The #2 predicted factor was … government & budget issues.   The issue forecast to be the 3rd-most important real estate issue for this year was .... immigration. OK, makes sense. That was a hot topic for a while. And greater immigration creates more housing demand, sure.   #4 was Global conflict. OK, makes some sense. We had growing trade tensions with China, political tensions with Iran and North Korea.   The real estate issue predicted … last year … to be the fifth most important for this year was … Income inequality.   How long do you think that it will take us to get to a pandemic … or epidemic. No one foresaw this.   Sixth was Rising education costs. That definitely intersects with housing as giant student loan debts increasingly prevent people from forming a first-time homebuyer downpayment, which keeps them in the renter pool.   The seventh most-important real estate issue for this year was predicted to be Social inequality.   Eighth was terrorism. That’s going lower on the list as major terrorist acts in America continue to recede into memory, gratefully.   And number nine - yes, last year, what was predicted in “The Emerging Trends In Real Estate” survey for THIS year is … Epidemics.   All those other factors were deemed to be more important.    And that’s from a pretty respected publication. That source, Emerging Trends in real estate, is partly compiled by the Urban Land Institute.   So, it just goes to show you that, no one, not me, not you, not the expert economists that come here on the show with us - no one really knows.   Now, there was one Get Rich Education episode where I had a “glass half-empty” segment, maybe one year ago, where I was talking about all the things that could go WRONG in real estate investing.   I did mention a plague. I used the word “plague”. And what I was thinking about was, what if an awful bubonic-like plague wiped out, say 20 million Americans - which would be more than 5% of our population.   Well, that sad event would reduce housing demand, of course, if there are substantially fewer … live humans.    And as sad as COVID-19 is, no one is predicting that it will be fatal to even one-half of one-percent of our population.   And I certainly wouldn’t have predicted that by this year we’d be practicing things like sheltering-at-home or social-distancing. It still all seems like some sort of bad dream.    We’re talking about, “Do you get free money? Should you take mortgage loan forbearance?” here on Get Rich Education Episode 290.   In fact, if you’d like to read along while you're listening, the entire written transcript for today’s episode is in the Show Notes. You can access those at GetRichEducation.com/290 and follow along that way if you like.   In order for you to understand mortgage loan forbearance - and forbearance means that you can postpone making payments, understand the big picture.   You can best understand this as part of the five links of a chain.    Yes, forbearance allows you to BREAK a chain.   The five links in the chain follow the money. They follow the payments through: Payment goes from Employer … to Renter... to Property Owner... to Loan Servicer... to finally, the MBS Investor. They are the five links.   Now, let's look at what happens here.   The first and second chain links involve that payment from Employer (first link) and the Renter (the second link).    Economically … how bad is it? We don’t yet really know how high the unemployment rate will get, though we expect it to be substantially higher than that of the Great Recession of 2008, when it was 10%.    Chain Link 2 to 3 is the Renter’s payment to the Property Owner. This is a link that you’re clearly quite concerned with. This is your rental income. This is the income that Jerry from Queens is trying to scrape together.    We don’t yet know what the eventual rent payment DEFAULT RATE will be, of course that’s going to vary among geography and asset type and many other things.    But be aware that at this point, about 75% of Americans have lost at least 25% of their income. About ¾ of Americans have lost ¼ or more of their income.   As you know, during coronavirus, most areas have an eviction moratorium. Meaning that if the tenant can’t pay the rent, you can’t kick them out for a while.   Now, what if you - the income property owner - Link 3 - don’t have enough rent income to pay the mortgage to Link 4, which is your bank or your loan servicer?   If this is your situation, you want to call the company that you pay the mortgages to. You pay your mortgages a mortgage servicer.   Now, what is a “mortgage servicing company”, anyway?    A mortgage servicer is the company that handles the day-to-day administrative tasks of your loan.    They send you your monthly statement, they receive your payment, and they manage your escrow accounts.    This is different from your mortgage lender. Your lender is the financial institution that gave you the property loan in the first place - back on your closing day.   So that is the difference between a mortgage LENDER - and the servicer whom you’re dealing with now.   Now, a mortgage servicer could either be a bank or a non-bank.   A bank “mortgage servicer” would be names that you’ve heard of like Chase or Wells Fargo.   A non-bank “mortgage servicer” could be a name like Suntrust Mortgage or AmeriHome. They’re names that you’re less likely to have heard of.    So, to review, money flows from your tenant’s employer, to your tenant, to you (the investor), to the fourth chain link, which is this mortgage servicer.   Now, if your mortgage is backed by the government (those would Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, VA, FHA, or USDA -  and it often is) - if you tell your mortgage servicer you're having financial trouble because of the pandemic, your mortgage servicer has to let you stop paying your mortgage for up to 180 days - that’s six months - with the possibility of another six month extension after that - and you will not have to pay late fees, and there will not be any foreclosure on your property, and there will not be a ding on your credit score either.   It gets even better than that. Because at last check, there isn’t any additional interest beyond your scheduled amounts accruing on your missed payments while you’re in forbearance either.   Now, you WON’T magically see a portion of your principal balance disappear though.   This all pertains to both primary residences and your rental properties for government-backed loans.   If your loan isn’t government-backed, you still might receive some similar-type of relief.   This is what is being granted to you during these exceptional times. And the mortgage servicer isn’t going to ask you for a bunch of paperwork or documentation of your hardship either.   But they might just ask you some questions over the phone - details about your income, expenses and other assets, like cash in the bank.   They’re just granting you the forbearance - letting you postpone your mortgage payments.    Now, that must sound great. And it is a good start.    Look, if you CANNOT make your payment due to economic hardship, then you should ask for the forbearance.    And don’t just stop making payments if you CAN’T make payments. Alright, you can’t do that. You DO have to ask for forbearance. But it will be granted.   Now, what if you CAN make your mortgage payments and you call up your loan servicer and ask for forbearance.    In this case, say that your total monthly rent income is $10,000 but you only got paid $9,000 of rent this month due to pandemic layoffs.   And your total mortgage payments are only ... $8,000.    Well, you could make the payment but you don’t have to.   So … could you pocket your $9,000 of rent  this month and skip out on paying your mortgages completely & then have a $9,000 cash flow month instead of your normal $2,000 cash flow month?   Yes, you probably could! And this could totally feel like a windfall to you!   But … that would be dishonest - and it could come with consequences.     I’ve talked to two mortgage lenders this last week to find out what’s REALLY going on out there.    I learned about one case where, a borrower asked for forbearance, they were granted it, it didn’t ding that borrower’s credit SCORE.    However, on their credit REPORT, it is marked “Forbearance” on that report.    Hmmm … you wonder if this will impact that borrower’s creditworthiness in the future.   Here’s the other potential negative consequence if you are granted forbearance.    Again, forbearance means the ability to postpone payments.   What’s going to happen in the future? Well, no one really knows with any of this. This is uncharted territory and I can’t underscore that enough as we deal with the economic fallout of the pandemic. The situation changes quickly here.   When are you going to have to MAKE UP those payments? If you get six months of forbearance, would you owe six months of payments all at once - only six months from now?   If so, that probably won’t help you out. Because if your tenant - God forbid - missed six months of rent payments, they’re not going to make one lump sum rent payment for six months worth of rent.   However, for you, if you get forbearance, it appears more likely that your payments - will just get tacked on to the end of your loan - without any interest on top of what’s scheduled.   Now, that outcome would be … pretty awesome.   Alright, so we’ve established that you can take a pause from paying your mortgage loan servicers.   But here’s the crazy thing. The fifth and final link in the chain is the Mortgage-backed security holder. They get their money from the mortgage servicer.    Well, where is the servicer supposed to get the money if people like you - the property owner - declare forbearance.   No one knows that answer. That hasn’t been worked out yet.    Right now, the total share of loans in forbearance is 6%.    But, that number is going to go higher so the mortgage servicing industry has been crying out for help - your SunTrusts and AmeriHomes of the world.   Last week, a plan had come together such that mortgage loan servicers would only have to forward four months of missed payments to MBS investors.    But a lot of servicers don’t have that kind of money lying around.    Now, Wells Fargo, obviously, is a big bank and they do some servicing as well.  There's still lots of big banks servicing mortgages. And the big banks are actually in pretty good shape right now. They have enough money that they can deal with this situation for a while. They're stronger now than they were in the 2008 financial crisis. And since the financial crisis, nonbanks have been taking a bigger and bigger share of the mortgage servicing business.  And these nonbanks - like SunTrust and AmeriHome - have much less money on hand than banks do, and they're not allowed to borrow from the Fed like a bank.  And even in the good times of the past few years, there were all these reports coming out saying, you know, if the economy were to ever turn down and people stopped paying their mortgages, these nonbank servicers are going to be in trouble. This is what needs to be fixed right now - this connection between chain links 4 and 5 - from servicer to MBS Investor. The aid for servicers will probably be there.  The government is typically there to save most anything to do with homeownership. Well, those are the five links in the follow-the-money chain - from employer to tenant to you, the investor, - to the mortgage loan servicer - and finally, to mortgage-backed security holder.  There’s more that I can explain there, but I won’t, because it could be speculation - so we’ll see what happens next there. Let’s get back to you. I said that I suggested mortgage loan forbearance if you need it. Should you get a mortgage forbearance if you don’t need it?  No. If you don’t need it, don’t take it.  Now, why would I say that? Well, there could be some upsides to taking it.  But it puts you at some risk, like I mentioned and there is more that is absolutely vital for you to consider. I’m going to talk about that in a few minutes.  We’re talking about following the money along five chain links, and mortgage loan forbearance here on Get Rich Education, Episode 290 … as the world gradually has more & more bad haircuts as the coronavirus pandemic inches on … and you’re wondering if you’ll have “actual weekend plans” in your life ever again.    Coming up in the next few weeks here on the show, we’ve got a lot of great material. New York Times bestselling author John Assaraf will be here with me on Get Rich Education as we take a deep dive into abundance mindset during tough times … … and a lot of other integral shows here as I focus on providing you with actionable guidance that you can use on economics and real estate amidst the pandemic. I primarily reach you in two ways. There’s our audio show here, which as you know is released every Monday. You’ve probably been listening for years.  The other way is through The DQYDD Letter, which is e-mailed out about weekly. And lately the valuable letter is being sent to you on either a Wednesday or Thursday. There is so much fast-changing news amidst the pandemic that the “Don’t Quit Your Daydream” Letter really supplements this show here well.  That’s why it’s never been more important for you to subscribe. The letter is free, and all you’ve got to do is sign-up now at GetRichEducation.com I’m coming back with more. I’m Keith Weinhold. THIS is Get Rich Education. (RESOURCE PROVIDER SLOTS) Hey, you’re back inside the show that’s created more financial freedom for busy people just like you than nearly any show in the world.  This is Get Rich Education. I’m your host, Keith Weinhold. Should you get a mortgage loan forbearance if you don’t need it?  No. If you don’t need it, don’t take it. That is my opinion. Now, why would I say that? Well, there could be some upsides from you taking it if you don’t need it.  But it’s not quite like it’s free money. It puts you at some risks, like I mentioned and … some of this comes down to a question of ethics & greed. Now, I don’t know what Jerry, the property manager & investor from Queens, New York that I talked about at the top of the show -  is going to do with his situation. Me, I have … gosh … it guess it’s not quite one hundred thousand dollars worth of mortgage payments that I make monthly … … but it’s well into the tens of thousands every month. I still have a good monthly rent collection. But I have some tenants that can’t pay due to losing their job from coronavirus. But … I CAN make all of my mortgage payments, so I don’t have any plans to get forbearance now or anytime in the foreseeable future.  If I have agreed to pay someone, and I can afford to pay someone, then I pay THAT someone. That’s just treating other people well. What is greed, anyway? Wanting more money is not greed. You want financial betterment just like I do and most anyone does.  But padding your own cash reserves by pocketing your tenants’ rent and then not paying your mortgage loan servicer - that’s greed. Because I’d be profiting from hurting others. If I don’t make a payment, there are people counting on that payment - in either that fourth or fifth chain link - that servicer or that mortgage-backed security investor.  Do you know what’s really happened recently? I know about an investor that closed a mortgage loan (and mortgage loans are still closing here in the pandemic, of course, but under tighter lending guidelines) - but this investor closed, then declared forbearance almost immediately - as soon as he practically could. So he missed his very first payment, and then the bank put him in a status of what’s called “first payment default”.  Well, then the lender can’t sell that loan to a servicer & and then that bank has got to keep that losing loan on THEIR books. Also, that “first payment default” status is tied to that borrower … and will that come back to bite them? I don’t actually know, but it’s probably not going to help them. Could that borrower have made payments if they were able to qualify for the loan at the closing table just a few weeks ago? Yeah, probably.  If that impacts that borrower’s creditworthiness down the road, it’s pretty hard to feel sympathy for them. It’s times of adversity like this when one’s ethics show through. Cheating the system tarnishes your character and it screws up the system for the honest people … where the taxpayer might have to end up paying for it. So, either I can be part of the problem or part of the solution. I know what side I’d rather be on … and you can decide for yourself. You can call it what you want, “karma”, or whether you’re religious or not, from Christianity, “The Golden Rule” is “treat people how you would want to be treated.”  It’s a maxim in other religions too. But it’s really just being a decent human being. We don’t want to take advantage of a crisis by disadvantaging others. That’s what looters do. Fortunately, we have an audience here that does want to do the right thing. Like I say, do the right thing before you do things right. To summarize part of what you’ve learned today. There are five chain links in the follow-the-money path that the pandemic is pressuring - they are employer … to renter ... to property owner … to loan servicer ... to finally the MBS Investor.    Loan forbearance means that you have the ability to postpone your mortgage payments - and that’s on both your primary residence and your rentals.   Forbearance is being easily granted on most loan types - with some clear guidelines for gov’t-backed loans. But you must ask. If you need it, please DO ask. If you don’t need it, please DON’T ask.   As a reminder, news changes fast and one mortgage loan servicer might outline different terms for you than another servicer does. In fact, there is so much fast-changing news amidst the pandemic and strange economic aberrations like oil prices going negative last week. There’s such a glut of oil supply, that oil is being treated like junk.  Just like you would have to pay another person to take your junk, oil producers are having to pay people to take their oil.  About ten days ago, Chase stopped accepting new Home Equity Line Of Credit applications. Customers with existing HELOCs will be able to continue to draw funds on those lines of credit, but the bank is not accepting applications for new HELOCs. Of course, the stock market has been more volatile than usual. Housing is way more stable, but it’s still too early to look at pandemic effects on housing PRICES.  Early indications show that there is even less housing SUPPLY on a market that was already undersupplied, so that’s substantial.   There is so much changing more quickly now, that the “Don’t Quit Your Daydream” Letter really supplements this audio show here. I don’t think it’s ever been more important for you to subscribe. For example, in some good news, a recent letter informed you that any 1031 Exchange that you do with a deadline between April 1st and July 15th of this year is now moved to July 15th, and other things like that.  Get the “Don’t Quit Your Daydream Letter" free, at GetRichEducation.com I’m Keith Weinhold and I’ll be back next week to help you build your wealth. Don’t Quit Your Daydream!

Get Rich Education
285: Your Pandemic Investing Strategy & Mindset

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Play Episode Listen Later Mar 23, 2020 38:40


Unemployment is rising. Mortgage rates hit record lows two weeks ago. Stocks have fallen 32% from recent highs. Oil has fallen with a thud.  Your life has changed in order to control the spread of the novel coronavirus. (**The entire episode transcript is below. You can read along as you listen.) Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and HUD have suspended foreclosures and evictions for at least 60 days. This could soon be extended to a year.  The IRS tax filing deadline moved from April 15th to July 15th. There are opportunities for you today that you’ve never considered before. Recessions are normal. They occur every 7 years on average. In three of the last five recessions, real estate values appreciated. Consider drawing against your HELOC before it’s frozen. Bill Gates’ epidemic prediction audio clip played. Stocks: the bull market died of coronavirus. I discuss my recent chats with national Mortgage Loan Officers. Good news? Shelter-in-place means you might have the time with your family that you’ve always wanted. __________________________ Resources mentioned: Coronavirus forbearance is here: Housing Wire article RE appreciated in 3 of last 5 recessions: Article & Graph Mortgage Loans: RidgeLendingGroup.com QRPs: text “QRP” in ALL CAPS to 72000 or: TotalControlFinancial.com By texting “QRP” to 72000 and opting in, you will receive periodic marketing messages from eQRP Co. Message & data rates may apply. Reply “STOP” to cancel. New Construction Turnkey Property: NewConstructionTurnkey.com Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith’s personal Instagram: @keithweinhold   Complete episode transcript:   Welcome to Get Rich Education, I’m your host, Keith Weinhold. As the pandemic unfolds, how do you best position yourself as an investor to be profitable and mitigate loss?    We’re talking about the real estate market, the stock market, and specific, actionable things that you can do for your family and your real estate. Today, on Get Rich Education. _________________________ Welcome to Get Rich Education, I’m your host, Keith Weinhold and no matter where you’re listening to us - any of the 188 nations - your life has changed … due to the pandemic.    Just when you learned to replace your handshake with an elbow bump, now you can't do either one.   Yes, your life looks different now. We are here in the social distancing era.   With major events all cancelled and the closure of businesses & schools, & entertainment venues; it is clear that the global efforts to slow the spread of the coronavirus is an unprecedented experience for you and I.   With people needing to stay home, it creates some new ways of socialization.    For my haircut this week, I don’t think I’m going to go out to get it. I’m hoping that my wife can cut my hair at home.     I can’t go to the gym. Thank goodness that I have a home gym - modest as it is. This is literally life-changing - altering the patterns and habits of you & I’s daily life.   You might see more of your spouse now. You might be homeschooling your kid now.   This is an emotional process for you and I - your relationships with people & things have changed.   You’re now more likely to be listening to me from home rather than out & about - not from work.    But wait. Now, for you, maybe work ... is ... home. Kinda.   If you’re working from home, you’re now ...   ... about to find out which meetings really could have instead been ... an email.   Yes, it's simply a strange time to be a human being.   The pandemic has stirred up more uncertainty than just social faux pas and awkwardness.   It's created a breathtaking 32% stock market drop - more on that later. The slowing economy means that oil prices have fallen with a resounding thud. Mortgage rates hit record lows two weeks ago.   The combination of those things might make you, the REAL ESTATE investor, giddy with your predicament.   You might even have - what feels like - an extended adult Spring Break at home with your family.   But the larger economic slowdown can ensnare everyone - yes, the real estate investor too. Some help is on the way.   Just last week, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac announced that they are suspending foreclosures and evictions for at least 60 days - so we’re talking about a lot of conventional loans there.    HUD is doing the same thing. HUD basically means FHA loans.   So I guess that property owners don’t have to pay their mortgages and tenants don’t have to pay their rent for a little while either.   That was followed by the state of New York declaring that certain borrowers in the state could forgo their mortgage payments for up to 90 days.   And there’s just so much NEWS about payment forgiveness and everything else related to the economy and the pandemic that it can be difficult to keep up.    I’ll tell you, I’ve had to scramble - more than normal this week - to pull together the more relevant stories that affect you - because so much is changing so fast.   Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin said just last Friday - three days ago - that the deadline for Americans to file their taxes would be pushed back from April 15 to July 15.    That’s got to be welcome news!   In fact, Mnuchin tweeted: "All taxpayers and businesses will have this additional time to file and make payments without interest or penalties.”    That’s what he said. That’s a 90-day extension. Some relief from the IRS for you.   Now, how long will this kind of alternate society that we’ve now reluctantly formed linger on?    How long will it last?    Self-isolation and playing the ol’ Risk board game or Battleship with your kids might be kinda cool at first - but it gets a little old after a while.    It really gets old once you find that your kid is improving at chess faster than you and he’s starting to beat you.    Well, no one really knows. No one in the world knows how long it’ll last.    So therefore, it’s hard to know whether people are overreacting or underreacting to the news. It’s really hard to know.    Will this last one month? Six months? Or even longer?    The best, most trusted source, I know of thinks that this will probably be with us … through June. Yeah, that’s three more months.   Now, it might peak before that time, but who knows? And a lot of forecasts change … because, again … there are a lot of unknowns here.    But there are a few things that I do know. So let’s think about what we do know.   There will always BE an economy - even if things got far worse.    There will always be an economy as long as there’s a civilization.    Sheesh, there’s an economy in Leavenworth - a maximum security prison.    When this thing ends, if you’ve got a friend or a tenant or yourself that’s been laid off - you’re probably going to return to your job.    But some people might never return to their job. You might see this - as an opportunity.   If you have - or have had - a job that you’re not in love with - this could give you time to find out what you’re good at & what you like doing rather than working for a paycheck.   Use this time to ultimately find out what you want. Then learn some new skills at the Khan Academy online - or somewhere else. See this as an opportunity.   There’s an old saying. If your neighbor loses his job, it’s a recession. If you lose your job, it’s a depression.    And more people are probably thinking about that today ...   But recessions are indeed - a frequent occurrence in the modern economy. This 11 year economic expansion, was an all-time American record.   In response to the pandemic, The Fed is effectively printing tens of billions of dollars - and more - to help keep banks liquid.   This is a process … that devalues the dollar. This is inflationary - which is good for borrowers long-term, and this dollar printing makes investors scurry for real assets that can hold their value.    Yes, real things that can’t be inflated away with profligate monetary policy. I’m talking about assets like water, and timber, and real estate - especially residential real estate.   Now, if for any reason, your income is disrupted, either because you’re out of work or your tenant is having trouble making rent payments ...   If you're losing income and must play defense, and you’re a homeowner, you might have something to work with. Relief can come from your Home Equity Line Of Credit (HELOC). You can make withdrawals for emergencies.  Sure - I’ve been talking for years here about how if you’ve got excess equity in your home, you can originate a HELOC. Since home equity is unsafe, and illiquid, and it’s rate of return is always zero, you can use that excess equity in your home. MAKE it liquid. The HELOC can come in the form of a second mortgage. At last check, on a primary residence, you could get an 80% combined loan-to-value ratio HELOC. How that works is if you have a $500K home, you could have $400K of debt against it. That’s the 80%. So then if currently, your home has a $300K loan balance, you can potentially get a HELOC second mortgage for another $100K.  OK … your $300K first mortgage plus $100K HELOC has a sum of $400K - which is 80% of your home’s value. So now, you’ve got $100K out of your home.  The way that this $100K HELOC works is that your interest rate generally follows the Federal Funds Rate - which the Fed has essentially dropped to 0%.  Now, you’ll pay a margin on top of the Fed Funds Rate - but HELOC rates are really low now.  Their interest is often tax deductible - and you can spend the HELOC funds on anything at all.  You also have the flexibility of making interest-only payments on the HELOC - or paying back extra toward the principal if you prefer. Nice option there.  And I’ve gone deep on how HELOCs work on prior shows, so I won’t do that here.  But here’s the message if you think that you need some - or want some - liquidity.  Originate your HELOC and consider drawing against it - which means pulling the money out - before the bank FREEZES withdrawals from your HELOC funds.  Look, here’s what happened during the 2007-2009 Great Recession. Homes were losing value then, and banks flash-froze HELOCs. It happened to me.  I still remember getting the letter - it was from a major bank that you’ve heard of.  I do remember getting that letter from the bank because I was frustrated that they froze my funds - which was equity in my home that I had previously had access to. So, I’ve told you on past shows, that I can’t think of any reason not to have a HELOC second mortgage on your home, as long as you have adequate equity in it. That way you can choose to either use it by drawing against it - or not.  My point today is - consider making a withdrawal on that HELOC before its frozen. Now, say you do that and you’re paying a 5% interest rate on that money.  Maybe wherever you put those borrowed funds, now you’re making more than 5% on them because you’re taking those funds and putting them on offense.  If so, that’s great. That positive arbitrage. Gotta love that.    But what if you take those HELOC funds that you’re paying 5% interest for and you’re playing DEFENSE, and you have them invested in a vehicle that’s MAKING less than 5% interest for you. You know what I would say? What you’re doing is like … you’re paying an insurance premium. You’ve got access to the funds, you’re keeping them liquid, you could be hemorrhaging a bit each month, but it’s like paying an insurance premium in order to have access to your funds. I don’t like to tell people what to do. I like to tell people what I do, and I provide ideas and information here. Now, if you don’t need funds or want funds, well, then there’s less reason to tap your HELOC. Remember too, a high mortgage balance is a great asset protection tool against a bank foreclosure. In an adverse circumstance, the bank doesn’t want to come after you if you still owe $400K on the loan. But they’ll come after the family that only owes $40K on their loan - because the bank could get the property as collateral, and only lose out on the $40K that they would have had coming to them. See, the bank doesn’t want to foreclose on your property where you, the homeowner, would have still owed them 4-HUNDRED K. My point is - if you need to play defense, have a HELOC and consider using it before it gets frozen - IF it gets frozen.    It might not get frozen. See, a big reason that HELOC draws were frozen during the Great Recession 12 years ago is that housing was at the CENTER of the 2007-2009 Great Recession.    From the time that those HELOCs were originated, properties had lost value. As they lost value, that means loan-to-value ratios went up, often in excess of 100%.    So banks froze HELOCs so that they didn’t get exposed to that risk. If you’ve got zero equity in the home or skin in the game, you’re more likely to walk away - as a homeowner.   But see, if we have a pandemic-induced recession, it’s NOT housing-centered like the Great Recession was - with their irresponsible lending practices and overbuilding that occurred then.   Today, we’ve got RESPONSIBLE lending practices and an UNDERsupply of homes. We’re UNDERbuilt.   So, the Great Recession was different - and special.   Now, I don’t know whether we’re set up for a pandemic-induced recession or not. But I’d say that there’s a good chance that we’ll have one. I’d say, a more than 80% chance that we’re in one now.   We don’t actually know that we’re in one until in the future, we look back and see two consecutive quarters of year-over-year GDP contraction. That’s the definition.   But we’re definitely due for a slowdown. We’re in one now.   It’s worth remembering that recessions are actually a normal part of the economy. We have one every 7 years or so.   Our previous five recessions began in 1980, another one in 1981, then 1990, 2001, and finally the aforementioned Great Recession beginning in 2007.    In three of those five recessions - three of the last five, do you know what happened to home prices.   Home prices went up. They INcreased in 3 of the last 5 recessions.    Home prices increased in value anywhere from 1.9 percent to 4.8 percent. I’ll link that in the Show Notes for you.   So, a recession definitely doesn’t mean a drop in property value. Residential real estate is a recession-resilient asset class.   The thing that you need to keep your eye on is, is your tenant keeping their job during this crisis so that they can pay the rent.    By the way, do you know the difference between an epidemic and a pandemic?   As Oxford defines it: An epidemic is a widespread occurrence of an infectious disease in a community at a particular time.   A pandemic is a disease prevalent over an entire nation or the world.   They mean about the same thing, but the pandemic is on a larger scale.   Now, MicroSoft co-founder Bill Gates has received attention recently in predicting that a pandemic was potentially humankind’s greatest understated threat.   In fact, let’s listen to this short clip - this is Bill Gates, more than three years ago in Davos, Switzerland:   Bill Gates clip: “An epidemic - either naturally-caused or intentionally-caused - is the most likely thing to cause, say, 10 million excess deaths. It’s pretty surprising how little preparedness there is for it.”    Yeah, Bill Gates said a lot more than that about it. But he’s appearing to be rather correct here.   Well, what has administration in the United States done for a response? Our political leaders?   Well, initially, Trump and company seemed to throw more money & fewer regulations at the problem.    That’s changing somewhat, as we’ve got more social controls and border closings now.   With the list of these administrative & … policy news stories longer than a Walgreen's receipt, the least you should know is that President Trump and Congress are aiding homeowners and renters alike.   Free testing, and an expansion of unemployment insurance.  A stimulus package of one trillion - with a “T” - one trillion dollars or more that looks to involve direct payments to American households … is really going to help provide relief to people.  There is lots of precedent for government bailouts in times of crisis.    The U.S. government provided $15 billion to airlines after 9/11, $700 billion to banks to army-crawl through the 2008 financial crisis, and $17 billion to automakers just after that.   Whether you see bailouts as the right way to do things or not, there is that precedent.   Fortunately - some of that help should include your tenant. We might see multiple injections of $1,000 each or more - directly into consumers’ hands. That’s the plan that’s formulating - just write virtually everyone a check. And $1,000 means more to your tenant than it does to you. This can really help Trump and Congress “fill the gaps” between cushions like paid leave and unemployment insurance.   Though that’s gonna cause more long-term taxpayer DEBT - yes, I think a lot of people need the relief in the meantime.   Think about it this way:    To save their economies over the long run, countries around the world are actively putting themselves into recessions.   Productive nations are actively plunging themselves into recession left and right.   Can you imagine that? But even though I’m a finance guy and a real estate investor, I think that it’s the right thing to do.   As odd as it sounds, the best way to heal the likely recession, is not to try to fix the recession. It’s to get into a recession by killing activity in order to control the virus.   The best way to heal the economy is to get people to stay home, stop the spread, and end this sooner.   Look, if you’re riding a bicycle and get a flat tire because there are nails on the road, well then, you don’t get to your destination … by patching the hole in the tire over & over again.   You get to where you’re going by cleaning up the nails on the road - which means that you & your bicycle go nowhere for a while - and then when the nails are picked up, you quickly roll along to wherever you’re going just like the economy should quickly roll along nicely - like it was - before the pandemic hit.   The fastest way to fix the economy is to stop the virus.    As we’ve now learned, even though you might feel like you’re in a digital age with TikTok videos, and an app that digitizes your dinner receipts, and everything else ... Humans still generate trillions in economic activity by coming into close, physical contact with one another—sitting at restaurants, assembling auto parts, traveling on planes, getting haircuts.  But public health officials stress that to slow the spread of the coronavirus, we must all maintain a safe distance from each other, even if we’re healthy.  But that still doesn’t square with our economy’s structure.  Be mindful that recessions and surprises happen constantly. But this one feels a little more surprising for a few reasons - a virus is sort of intangible - you can’t see it - and there’s the fact that we just had a great loooooong run of 11 years.   That was the longest economic expansion in American history.   I think that this pandemic is the biggest news story since 9/11 - where you’re just kind of like, “I can’t believe this is happening.” But this WILL pass. It always does.   Look at what we’ve had in the last - not even 20 years:  9/11, Hurricane Katrina. The great recession. Superstorm Sandy. And now, you might call this the great shutdown.    With the economic slowdown, I’d expect sudden, deep, and brief.    I hope and expect that it will be sudden - it already has been sudden, that it will be deep - with massive layoffs, - and that it will be brief.   There are two prior Get Rich Education episodes that are getting a lot of attention right now.   One of them is named “A Recession Is Coming”. I released that in November of 2018.   One year later, I released an episode named “Planning For A Recession”. That was released in November of 2019, just four months ago.   “A Recession Is Coming” is Episode 215, and “Planning For A Recession” is Episode 265 if that makes it easier for you to find them.   I’m coming back with more here - with “Your Pandemic Investing Strategy & Mindset”. This is “Get Rich Education”. ____________________________   Hey, you’re back inside Get Rich Education. And welcome, you’re squarely in the #WFH Era.    The “Work From Home” Era.    Yes, this alternate world where working from home is NOT frowned up - and going into the office IS frowned upon. I’m your host, Keith Weinhold.    I’d like to emphasize that no one really knows about the next turn that society and the economy will take during this pandemic. That’s because we are in uncharted territory.   Because I don’t think very many people were alive to remember the Spanish Flu of 1918.   As far as the most recent territory that HAS been charted ...   Last Friday, stocks, as measured by the S & P 500, fell more than 4%. So as of today, Monday, March 23rd, 2020, stocks have now fallen more than 32% from their recent high.   How many people with 401(k)s have lost 32% of their account’s value? Some of them, even more, oh … and that’s just in the last month or two.   And last week, stocks posted their worst week since the height of the financial crisis.   The bull market died of coronavirus.    That’s what happened.    Now, why am I talking about stocks more than usual both this week & last - since I’ve talked about the pandemic quite a bit on both of these shows?   It’s because stocks are often a LEADING indicator of what investors expect is coming.    (And note that I’m being kind by calling stock buyers true “investors”. A lot of them are just speculators.)   Now, a stock bear market is when stocks fall 20% or more from a recent high.    Do you have any idea how good of a predictor a bear market is of a recession? Well, I can tell you.   73% of stock bear markets have been accompanied by a recession.    As a forward-looking mechanism, the stock market usually sends warnings about the economy before shrinking growth shows up in the data.   So yes, in the 11 stock bear markets we’ve had since WWII, 8 of the 11 have resulted in a recession. That’s that 73%.   While it remains to be seen, real estate may be insulated to some extent - and that is because of tight residential inventory, high buyer demand, low mortgage rates, and lower prices for lumber and oil.   Recessions are not officially declared until the economy is already deep into them, or until after they’ve passed. We could look back later and say the recession started this month.   That’s because so much of our economy has to do with consumer spending - you buying a frappucino, you filling up your car with gas, you buying a boat.    Consumer spending accounts for about 70% of GDP.   Now, here on the show, we’ve spent the last few years focused on rental SFHs and properties up to four-plexes in size.   Though it’s still a developing story, there’s been some evidence that the ventilation system in larger apartment buildings - can transmit the virus. I … sure hope that’s not true.   I talked to two prominent national MLOs last week.   One of them is Caeli Ridge, where they are just doing a TON of mortgage origination business for both income property purchases and refinances.    The other mortgage loan officer is prioritizing new property purchases ahead of refinances there in THEIR office.   Low rates will outlast coronavirus.    Markets are anticipatory - so once the virus is past it’s peak, prices of real estate should be rather buoyant.   Be mindful too, that because we focus on investing in the United States Midwest & South - what i call the stable markets - instead of the volatile, coastal markets.   Just generally here, coastal properties and stocks here near the start of the decade - are very much alike.    They’re both overpriced, they’re both low yielding, and they're both susceptible to fall in value.   In these times, RE could be like the cleanest dirty shirt in the investment world - where you get the best risk-adjusted return.    Better than bond yields, and better than 2% dividends from the S & P 500.   With factories closed, supply chain kinks can LIMIT housing supply - and housing was already in short supply.   I think that some people either won’t have the confidence or capacity to buy a home.    Well, good. Then what they’ll do, is rent. You want them renting from you. More people in the renter pool … is to your advantage.   But they’ve got to have an income.   It’s important to remember that a pandemic is different from a financial crisis—bargain-basement interest rates can help keep businesses afloat, but the “social distancing” measures recommended by health officials mean canceling events and avoiding crowded places, which will curb spending.    Interest rates can’t fix that, though low interest rates are great for borrowers.   Think about how this has affected society - maybe in some other ways you haven’t thought about.    I know friends that spent months training for marathons that were cancelled.    MLB, the NHL, NBA seasons suspended.    Think about college & HS seniors that might have played their last game - without even knowing it. The pandemic ended their career - did you ever think about that?   Of course, this is minor. Some people have lost their lives, others have lung damage.   How’s your grandma doing - hopefully you get some time to video chat with her.   Maybe, just maybe, there is a huge silver lining to all of this with people staying home.    Maybe more time as a family is what we need. Maybe we’ve gotten so caught up in following the madness of busy-ness, and that this is a reset - and you can have some health benefits - and exercise more.    Maybe, after the short term economic losses have faded, some might place a much higher value on what is most important in their lives. Maybe.   We should salute and express our gratitude to the millions of frontline workers who are making tremendous efforts to help us all.    That includes our world class medical staff and others that you’re not thinking about too many others too - the calm grocery store & pharmacy workers and the tireless drivers bringing important supplies to hospitals & warehouses & stores & our own doorsteps.   Think about the spouses of some of those people too. My wife is a medical worker and I’m a little fearful that she’ll bring the virus home.   Realize that fear of the Coronavirus may keep people away from restaurants and small businesses who usually operate on small margins.    So here’s something you can do!!   From your favorite local business or restaurant, you can buy a gift card.    Buy it directly from that favorite place so they get the use of your money for the next few weeks or months.    Then ....when things have settled down, treat your sweetie to an evening out or buy something for someone and use your gift card‼ That’s something simple and actionable you can do to help the economy and your community.   Thank you delivery workers. Thank you doctors, nurses & medical staff. Thank you grocery workers. Thank you truck drivers.   If you like to see the headshots of the guests we have here on the show and see the show notes, it’s easy.    For this episode, #285, simply go to GetRichEducation.com/285   Now, we might only have the complete lyrics for the episode transcribed for maybe ten percent of episodes.    But for both today’s show and last week’s show, you can see the entire transcription there.   That way, you can read along as you listen, or share that transcription with someone else who, perhaps, wants this content but isn’t able to hear. So you can check out:   GetRichEducation.com/284 for last week’s show notes with complete transcription or  GetRichEducation.com/285 - for this week’s.   I’ll be back with you next week. If you want to help the economy, then, you might be best off, just staying home!    It’s part of doing the right thing before you do things right.    I’m Keith Weinhold. Don’t Quit Your Daydream!

The Mermaid Podcast
Confessions of a Mermaid Writer with Laura Lovely

The Mermaid Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 28, 2020 70:49


You thought you knew podcast host and mermaid mogul, Laura von Holt, but you’ve never heard her like this before!  Lindsay Emory guest hosts to interview Laura about her life as the mermaid romance author known as Laura Lovely.  Laura shares her professional history of adopting alternate personas, her time as pinup model and actress, how she was kicked out of the Louvre, and how 80’s pop culture and Washington Irving (the father of American literature) helped her become a published author. They talk about the influence of The Little Mermaid on culture and literature, what the next generation of mermaid stories might be, and why mermaids are so fascinating in the modern era.  Important Links Laura Lovely’s Books: http://bit.ly/lovelybooksMP von Hottie: Laura’s pinup alter ego: https://www.flickr.com/photos/vonhottie/albums Little Lord: Laura’s theater company: https://www.littlelord.org/company Faerie Tale Theatre’s The Little Mermaid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMuBPz4O5Oc Shelly Duvall Meme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMuBPz4O5Oc Splash, closing scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HSAXTL4RRk  Lindsay Emory and the Women With Books Podcast: https://lindsayemory.com/  Past Mermaid Podcast episodes mentioned: Secrets of The Little Mermaid, Mermaids Through The Ages, The Royal Runaway Get your Mermaid Merch!  Get 15% off on official Mermaid Podcast merchandise. Use this link to shop: https://teespring.com/stores/the-mermaid-podcast?pr=PODCAST The Mermaid Podcast Recommends! Support this podcast by shopping our mermaid books and other recommendations. Keep in Touch! Sign up for our mailing list to get more behind the scenes bonuses and a heads up when we get new episodes.  Did you like this episode? Got a question or comment? Leave a review or email us at podcast@cinderly.com. Go to MermaidPodcast.com for more mermaid history and facts. Follow us on Instagram @mermaidpodcast and Facebook. The Mermaid Podcast is part of the Frolic Podcast Network. You can find more outstanding podcasts to subscribe to at Frolic.media/podcasts!  ♡ ♡ ♡  MORE PRODUCTS FROM CINDERLY ♡ ♡ ♡  **Easy to Bake Unicorn Cookbook** Now on sale: http://bit.ly/Easy2BakeUnicorn DON’T QUIT YOUR DAY DREAM! Do you have a dream in your heart that you’d like to make real?Join us for “Don’t Quit Your DayDream!”  - a new video course to revitalize your creativity and business! Check it out at fairybossmother.com. 

Get Rich Education
280: Your Questions: Housing Bubble, Inspections, Student Loans, Report Cards

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 17, 2020 46:46


Before you buy a property, I discuss something crucial that you’re probably missing. Five of your listener questions are answered.  (The entire episode’s lyrics are in the Show Notes below!) 1 - How should I reward my child for their good school report card? 2 - How reliable is a real estate income stream? 3 - Are we in a housing bubble? 4 - Should you pay off $200K in student loans or invest? 5 - Should I get an inspection for a new construction property? “Packaged commodities investing” is a way to think of real estate. You have a buying opportunity for income property in Florida, Alabama, Indiana, Maryland, Tennessee, Arkansas and more all at www.GREturnkey.com.   __________________ Resources mentioned: Inflation Lesson: Sears & Roebuck DIY Homes Mortgage Loans: RidgeLendingGroup.com QRPs: text “QRP” in ALL CAPS to 72000 or: TotalControlFinancial.com By texting “QRP” to 72000 and opting in, you will receive periodic marketing messages from eQRP Co. Message & data rates may apply. Reply “STOP” to cancel. New Construction Turnkey Property: NewConstructionTurnkey.com Find Properties: GREturnkey.com Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation   Welcome to Get Rich Education. I’m your host, Keith Weinhold - answering your listener questions today. How do you reward your child for a good school Report Card? What about the long-term DURABILITY of a real estate income stream?  Are we in a Housing Bubble? What should I do - pay off student loan debt - or invest? Should I get a Home Inspection? And what’s the one thing you should do before you buy ANY property that you’re probably not doing?  All today - and more … on Get Rich Education.  ___________________________ Welcome to GRE. I’m your host, Keith Weinhold. From Colombo, Sri Lanka to Columbia, South Carolina to Columbus, Ohio and across 188 nations worldwide.  This is Get Rich Education.  We’re having my favorite guest on the show today. That guest is you! Because I’m here with your listener questions today! The first one concerns a kid’s school report card and then the rest are about real estate investing.  Rebecca from Los Angeles, California asks, Keith: What reward should I give to my 11-year-old son, Mason, for having a good report card at school - all As and Bs? I love your show, keep up the great work. Well, thanks, Rebecca. I love this question. Even though we’re largely a real estate investing show, I think there can be so many lessons about life for your 11-year-old son, Mason here. The reward you can give them for their good report card is cash. Tell Mason that he’s getting $100 - or maybe it’s $40. But in any case, let’s just stick with the $100 example. Divide it in half.  Tell him that he’s getting $50 in cash. And tell Mason that, as a bonus for later, another $50 is going to be invested for him. Over time, Mason will probably see that the invested $50 grew and the $50 that he spent on video games or whatever didn’t. But see, he still gets rewarded with “short-term” fun. That way, it’s not ALL delayed gratification. As you know, the abundance mentality isn’t about either / ors, it’s about “ands”.    This way, he can have his cake and eat it too. What good is cake if you can’t eat it?   Now, I didn’t say that he had to SPEND the $50 cash part of this. $50 gets invested - and you’ll have the fun of keeping Mason updated on his investment over time.    He can do whatever he wants with the $50 cash part. And over time, if he sees the invested portion gained value, he might choose to actually invest some or all of the $50 cash reward too.   But for now, let’s be realistic - he wants to spend his $50 cash on Minecraft or Fortnite or the latest release of Grand Theft Auto. A video game like that.   That’s fine. You need to let him be rewarded now - because that might incentivize more near-term good school performance - which is what you value seeing in Mason.   Thanks for the question, Rebecca.   Now, before I move onto the next question. There’s … I think … a real extrapolation here for you, the adult listener, with the way I recommended that Mason’s report card could be rewarded.   Really, there’s a real estate investing lesson there. Mason gets rewarded both now & later.   A employer-sponsored retirement plan punishes you now by reducing your salary and make you delay gratification.   Real estate investing reduces your salary now - in way - when you make your down payment. But it begins returning that to you in the form of cash flow now - and gives you the asset appreciation for later.   As you know, I’m not in love with the term “delayed gratification”. Now, I do think there’s a little something to be said for it.   When I made my first-ever property that four-plex building where I lived in one unit and rented out the other three, I could have bought a nicer SFH. So I delayed some gratification there.   I see some investors buy-in to “delayed gratification” so much that I wonder how long their postponing happiness and if they’ll EVER find it.   Sometimes, people get shocking reminders of this, but they soon forget it. I know this hits close to home for an Angelino like you, but you think about 41-year-old Kobe Bryant and his daughter Gianna being taken away from the world a few weeks ago.   There are really all kinds of analogies for life here. Sometimes “later” becomes “never”.   Would you say that IF 11-year-old Mason spent half his report card reward - the cash half - if he spent it all on video games, would you say that he “blew that money” - that he “wasted that money”. I don’t know.   What about you - the adult listener. Sometimes I hear people say that you should save all your moeny and not “blow it on a vacation” - as if you squandered money if you went on a vacation.   I don’t know that that’s necessary true.   Look, what is money for? What if you’ve wanted to travel to tour the beautiful Croatian coast or see glaciers in Greenland.   How can a person say that you’re necessarily “blowing your money” if you go out and to that.   You’re getting out and seeing the very world that you live in. You’re living the life you’ve dreamed of. What would you want to do any less?   Most people just don’t have a vehicle - they don’t know about a durable vehicle like real estate that pays them so many ways - both today & tomorrow.   See, a lot of investment promoters WANT you to delay gratification.    They oversell that stance. They’re selfish. They want you to invest your money with them so they get the sale first and that they get the commission first and that they get the referral fee first.   They’ve convinced you that paying yourself first … means investing with them first … so that you can accumulate dollars in an account with your name on it so that you can only then consume it in years or decades.   Use your dollars in years or decades? That’s not paying yourself first. How did that get to be paying yourself first? It’s because that promoter of salesperson is only thinking of themselves first.   There’s something to be said for delayed gratification, yes.   But delayed gratification should not be a permanent condition.   When are you really going to start living the life you’ve always wanted? The year 2052? Or do you have a plan to compound your cash flows so that you can do that in three years.   You know that that’s the big reason - the #1 reason for me, in fact - that I don’t care for conventional retirement plans.    They only invest for later instead of both now & later like cash-flowing real assets do.   Now, I don’t think you’re going to find it self-redeeming if you go broke trying to LOOK rich with ostentatious displays and classic CAR status symbols like the Lambo - unless that’s sustainable for you. Then … that’s great.   So be gratified both now & later. Give Mason cash - half now, half turned into an investment that you make for him.   And to 11-year-old Mason, if you listen to this now, I know you might want all $100 bucks right now. Most 11-year-olds would.   If you listen to this in 2030 when you’re age 21, you still might not understand. If you listen to this in 2040 when you’re age 31, it’ll probably all make sense.   Thanks for the question about your son Mason, Rebecca.   ------------------   The next question comes from Gerald in - Oxnard, CA - that’s just up The 405 and 101 - west from L.A. where our last listener inquiry was from.   I went through Oxnard on my last drive from L.A. to Santa Barbara.   Gerald writes. “Keith, thanks for your show. Nobody anywhere makes real estate investing more clear. It’s my favorite 40 minutes of the week.”    Now, see, with a comment like this, it really increases your chances that I’m going to read your question on-air here, Gerald from Calabasas.  :o)   He asks, you discuss the importance of multiple income streams.  How PROVEN do you think that real estate income streams are long-term. How do I know it will still perform as an asset class for me in 30 years? Thanks for the question, Gerald. I know I’ve discussed elsewhere that people are going to keep needing a place to live, like they have for centuries or millennia now - and that inflation is the long-term trend and your long-term friend for a leveraged real estate investor.  It’s also what makes your cash flow rise faster than inflation since rents move up with inflation but your principal & interest cost doesn’t - it stays fixed. So, I’m going to take this in a different direction, Gerald. You’re asking about the durability of real estate an asset class and I think it’s a good question.  I recently had another listener write in to me about a concept that … I’ve thought about it before but I never heard it articulated in such an elegant way. And, I’m sorry that I don’t remember this listener’s name. But she referred to real estate investing as “Packaged commodities investing”. I love the … ingenious thought of packaged commodities investing. When you buy a rental home, yes, you’re buying the cost of the utility and the construction labor.  But think about those materials in the home, those commodities - you now own brick, lumber, glass, copper wire, styrofoam insulation, granite, ceramic, paint, oil in the roof shingles, masonry, concrete, rebar, you own an HVAC system - every one of these individual commodity components are hedges against inflation.  Gerald, a while ago, Reddit had a trending article over these Do-It-Yourself Houses that Sears used to sell over a hundred years ago. Look, this is fascinating - I’ve got this one-page ad in front of me - it looks like a newspaper ad. It’s for Sears Roebuck and company from the year 1913.  This ad - that’s more than 100 years old - is interesting to any investor or economist - or marketer even.  This ad is for - like a kit you can buy where you help construct the home. Let me read it to you. It says, “By allowing a fair price for labor, cement, brick and plaster, which we, Sears, do not furnish, this house can be built for about $1,530 - including all material and labor! Now, this looks like a small, single family home plan that Sears was offering you here, back in 1913. I can’t quickly find the square footage on it - say it was 1,500 sf. So, you’re buying this house over a hundred years ago, for say a dollar per square foot then. They show you the flooring layout plan. This is a livable-looking place, complete with a nice, wide porch. It’s not a tiny home. Ha - this is so quaint! The Sears ad goes onto say, for $872 (which is more than half of your all-in cost of $1,500 that I just mentioned) - we will furnish ALL of the material to build this 6-Room bungalow … … consisting of mill work, siding, flooring, ceiling, finishing lumber, building paper, pipe, gutter, sash weights, hardware, painting material, lumber, lath, and shingles. NO EXTRAS - is in all caps. We guarantee enough material at this $872 price to build this house according to our plans. So that was $872 for the material - and then, remember, your all-in price with labor and everything else is the $1,530.  This home, that’s giving us some historical commodity and real estate PRICING perspective here - doesn’t look like a piece of junk. Reading on - the large porch is sheltered by the projection of the upper story and supported with massive built-up square columns.  A unique triple-window in the attic and fancy leaded art glass windows add much to this pleasing design. Ha! That’s all I’ll read from the ad.  So … I think this is representative of this concept of “packaged commodities investing” that a listener introduced me to.  It tells us a lot about monetary inflation, and at the same time - it speaks to the durability of residential real estate as an investment.   This IS less sexy than the “five ways you’re paid” stuff here. We’re just looking at an element of durability here. When you have direct ownership of rental property, you simultaneously own all of these vital commodities. You own a basket of products. You’ll see this Sears ad linked in the Show Notes. It’s fascinating to see. And a lot of home construction here in the 2020s decade is still done largely the same way that it was decades ago. 3-D printed homes are not being adopted into the mainstream. Now, if they do, that could lower labor costs.  You’d still need to add a lot of things to make a 3-D printed residence livable - components and penetrations and mechanicals and the  - all those commodities we mentioned, plus, you’ve got the cost of the land.  Decently-located land, is a commodity in itself - and IT’S of a limited supply. By the way, this is a learning show, and the first definition of the word “commodity” when I Google it, is: “A raw material or primary agricultural product that can be bought and sold, such as copper or coffee.” That definition is from Oxford. Ha - they even have copper as the first example - and you expect to own copper with each home that you buy. I think yet another angle to your question, Gerald, about the durability of where your income stream comes from - is that we focus on RESIDENTIAL properties here. As the office and retail real estate sectors KEEP feeling pain - residential has become even more important at the same time - and you already know all the reasons -  more people can work from home, order products from home, and do more from home than they ever have before.  AirBnB properties might work in the short run, but we haven’t yet seen what happens to them in a recession yet - and as we know, the short-term rental market cater to business travelers and vacationers - and durability is what you need your income stream to have. That’s why, for durability reasons, I favor long-term residential investing above all else … and love to consider the elegance of this “packaged commodities investing”.  Thanks for the great question, Gerald from Oxnard, CA. ---------- The next question comes from Andrew in Ridgefield, Connecticut.   Keith,   I have been listening to your podcast for a while. Your mindset resonates with mine.   I am a small animal Veterinarian, I own - and run - my own small animal hospital.   On the investment side...….I have a balanced Wall street portfolio (Stock, Bond, Mutual Funds). On the Real estate side I have a $280 cash flowing SFR, and am involved in some multifamily Syndications.   I wrestle with Buying more SFR properties vs. more syndications.    I feel that since money is so cheap in today's economic climate there is not much room for appreciation when buying RE. Should I sit on the sidelines and wait? (wait for Blood in the Streets?)   I like the Tampa area...but go back and forth with my thought process.   I look forward to hearing from you.   Signed, Andrew (his last name), DVM - DVM is Doctor Of Veterinary Medicine, BTW   Yeah, it is interesting that I’ve noticed a good deal of doctors & dentists listen to Get Rich Education. But I doubt that it’s #1.   Anecdotally, I’ve noticed that for some reason, we seem to have a really high proportion of listeners that are in LAW enforcement - like police officers & such.   Thanks for the question, Andrew, veterinarian from Connecticut.   On the first part of your question, buying more SFR vs. real estate syndications - that has a lot to do with both your risk tolerance and your desire for passivity.   Direct investing, like turnkey investing, does require a little remote administration - even when you’re not the property manager, but you’ve typically got higher returns and you’ve got control - versus a syndication.   In many cases, direct investing and that great control actually means you’re more liquid with your funds.    You could sell in a few months if you had to … and with syndications, if you’re in Year 2 of an apartment syndication where it’s 7 years until that deal matures … then good luck getting your money out. You can’t access it.   So, those are some more of the trade-offs between direct investing & syndications.   Ah, I know you wrote that money is still cheap - meaning that interest rates are low and that you think that might be an indicator that appreciation has run its course.   Well, I’m still buying direct property, where I own the deed.    See, interest rates have basically been low for over a decade and we’ve had appreciation the entire time.   Let’s look more recently. In 2018, interest rates really began a march higher and there were some people predicting that it would make housing prices go down. It didn’t. In 2018, national appreciation rates were about 7%.   In 2019, mortgage interest rates went lower and appreciation went lower, down to about a 5% annual gain.    Now, yes, there’s a lag effect between mortgage interest rates and pricing too.    But mortgage interest rates are one of - at least 10 different macro factors that effect the price of housing, so one doesn’t lead to the others.   There might be more substantial factors skewing the numbers than interest rates affect housing prices.   Housing prices can be more affected by things like chronically low supply like we’ve got today, wage growth, job growth, in-migration, birth rates, death rates - and did lending requirements get more stringer or more lax - did credit score requirements get more stringent or more lax and on and on.   But you do ask a good question, Andrew. Ah - if I didn’t think it were good, I wouldn’t be answering it here.   Now, I know that you didn’t bring up the word bubble.   But a few weeks ago, I described why I don’t think we’re in a real estate bubble. Prices are sustainable for a lot of reasons.   But on the flip side, I don’t see any scenario in which real estate, nationally, hits any high-flying annual appreciation rates of 10 or 12% anytime soon - like we saw back in 2005 either.   Low supply can only push prices so high. Affordability is the component that governs and tempers the upward price escalation.    Affordability is what’s moderating the rate of appreciation rate right now.   Of course, whenever we talk about the future, no one REALLY knows what’s going to happen. These are just my thoughts - and the basis and the reasoning for why I have them.   You mention that you like Tampa - I do too. I really like so much of Florida - of course, you have to get your submarket right.    And I need to say that’s generally Florida north of Miami - because the numbers don’t work so well in south Florida.  Around Miami, you just don’t get a higher rent income proportionally to the much higher purchase prices there.   Think about this! When you look at net migration by state for this past year, Texas was 2nd in the U.S., and they had a net in-migration of 190,000 people. Florida, even though they have a smaller population than Texas, is #1 with 322,000 people.  Yeah, net 322,000 moving into a smaller state - Florida. And 190,000 into a larger population state - Texas. Florida has rent-to-value ratios that are favorable. And as an investor, your property tax rate is substantially lower in Florida than it is in Texas too.   There are a lot of reasons to like Tampa and Florida. Of course, that’s why we had our real estate field trip there last October in Tampa … as well. Thanks for the question, Andrew! If you want to hear your voice on the show, ask your question at GetRichEducation.com/Contact I realized that on earlier listener question episodes, I had only left you with our mail address so that’s why I have mostly e-mail questions today and only one voicemail question. I’d really prefer to hear your voice on the show. So by visiting GetRichEducation.com/Contact, that way, you’ll have the option of either leaving a voicemail or an e-mail, whatever you prefer there. Two more listener questions today. What should you do first, pay off your student loan debt or invest … … and I need to tell you why you should always get a property inspection before you buy a property - and do one other crucial thing - before you buy property - that you may not have ever thought about before.  That’s next. You’re listening to Get Rich Education. ----------   Hey, you’re back inside Get Rich Education. I’m your host, Keith Weinhold, answering your listener questions today.   The next question comes from Dillon in Nebraska - I’m not sure which Nebraska place he’s from. Let’s play the audio: https://www.speakpipe.com/msg/p/120531/30/p15zsoamb252hyob35bvfc8d6uwrqv3ml1yh3h1suwgf6   Yeah, thanks, Dillon. And I do consider student loan debt as bad debt because YOU have to pay it back yourself …    … that is, you can’t directly outsource those payments to someone else, like tenants in a rental property where they pay all your mortgage loan interest, all your mortgage loan principal, and hopefully, another couple hundred dollars on top of that called cash flow.   Not to mention, Congress passed an act in 2005 which made student loans quite difficult to discharge in bankruptcy.   With your question, being basically, “Should I pay off $200K in student loan debt as quickly as possible before starting real estate investing?”   Well, the answer ... as it often is, is “It depends.” But I’ll tell ya what it depends on.    The short answer is - if your real estate cash-on-cash return could beat the interest rate on your student loan debt - only then would you invest in real estate and make the minimum student loan debt payment.   Now, that was really good insight on the inflation-hedging or even inflation-profiting that long-term debt can provide you. I can tell that you’re a careful listener to the show, Dillon.   Of course, that's just one tailwind. Just one consideration.   And the reason why inflation-profiting is lower in priority than your cash-on-cash return is that you need liquidity. You need cash to service your student loan debt.   I don’t know what your student loan debt INTEREST RATE is. But let’s just say you’re paying a 6% interest rate on that debt. Now, I understand that it’s really easy to look at all 5 ways that real estate pays you and think - aw, I can get 20, 30, 40, maybe even a 50% ROI when I buy right.  So I’m just gonna pay the minimum on the student loan debt and plow all the extra into real estate. I would say, not so fast. Even though that might work out for you, we need to be more conservative … … because real estate appreciation isn’t liquid, tenant-made loan amortization isn’t liquid, and neither are real estate’s tax benefits or the aforementioned inflation-profiting. So, to use the simplest example, if your rental gives you $100 of monthly cash flow, which is $1,200 annually - and you’ve got $20K of skin-in-the-game on your rental as down payment and closing costs. Well, that $1,200 annual cash flow divided by your $20K down is 6%. That’s your Cash-On-Cash Return portion and if you can get THAT at 6% or above, then reduce your student loan paydown dollar-for-dollar for every dollar that you put into real estate. That’s really the upshot here. Yes, there are some smaller things to consider. Last time I checked, student loan interest in the United States is a tax deduction up to $2,500 annually.  So, your 6% interest rate might effectively be 5, 5-and-a-half or whatever it is. Understand the risk. You don’t want to be left cash poor. Your TOTAL Rate Of Return on real estate will almost certainly beat your student loan interest rate. But that's not enough.  Let's be conservative. To summarize, because you service your loan debt with cash, not equity, the key question you must ask yourself is: "Am I confident that my cash-on-cash return from real estate will exceed the interest rate on the student loan debt?" If your answer to this key question is "yes" - invest in real estate and stretch out the student loan and only pay the minimum on the student loan.    Otherwise, you're walking away from an arbitrage opportunity.   If it's "no", retire the student loan debt balance sooner. Otherwise, then you're hemorrhaging cash.   What did I personally do? After college, I retired my student loan debt fairly promptly.    But this was before I knew about REI. I still thought budgets were good and that the best way to financial betterment was cutting expenses and all the wrong stuff.   That was an awesome question, Dillon in Nebraska. Because I know that so many people have that question - how do I best allocate a dollar toward debt retirement versus expanding my upside.   ----------   The next question is from Monique in Quebec City, Quebec. Monique says,   Keith, I love your show. I’ve listened to every new episode since 2018, and now I’m also going back and listening to them from the beginning. Thanks, Monique. I’m grateful for your listenership.    Monique goes on to say, “I’ve bought four cash-flowing properties from the providers at GREturnkey.com. (Good job there, Monique) They were all EXISTING construction properties.   Though I expect the cash flow to be less on my fifth one, because it’s going to be a brand new construction property.”   Is the HOME INSPECTION a required expense for me when the property is completely new?   Thanks for all your help. Signed, Monique.   Monique, the answer is “yes”, you should. Always have a pre-purchase inspection done, even for new construction property.   Sometimes people think of a NEW CONSTRUCTION property as “perfect”. Well, I don’t think of any property as “perfect”.   But an example of a mistake made in a new construction property is that, maybe the air conditioner is too small and doesn’t have the capacity to cool all, 1,800 sf of the home or whatever it is.   Maybe some new flooring wasn’t installed correctly and it’s showing signs of de-lamination.    An inspection provided by a local, independent, third-party inspector is a cheap insurance policy for you, the buyer and you need to factor it in as one of your closing and due diligence costs.   Now, an inspection on a SFR, is probably going to cost you somewhere in the neighborhood of $400 - of course that’ll vary based on the area.   You have the inspection performed shortly AFTER you & the provider agree on a purchase and sale contract.    The reason that you want to get the inspection scheduled shortly after you’re under contract is because sometimes it can take a while - weeks - for your provider’s contractor to fix the deficiencies that your inspector finds.   Now, how do you find an inspector for your property, anyway? There are a few ways of going about it. You can ask your provider to recommend one.    If you’re leery of that or think that your provider might be in “cahoots” somehow with the inspector, you can Google your own, or thirdly, get an opinion from friends or if you don’t have friends that have invested there before, then use an online real estate forum.   Seek an inspector that’s ASHI-certified. A-S-H-I stands for American Society Of Home Inspectors. Those certificants are educated, tested, verified, and certified.   The inspections that they do are really quite thorough. They go everywhere in the home you’re planning to purchase, even looking in the closets and pantries, making sure all the doors & windows open & close.   If there’s a crawl space, they’ll climb down into the crawl space looking for deficiencies, taking notes, and taking photos that they compile in a report and send to you.     Before you buy the property, the inspector might even go up on the roof - or at least zoom in and take some photos of the roof. And of course, they go all through the home and check everything in between.   They do the entire inspection same-day. It takes a couple of hours.   Some common findings that your property inspector might have are:   The outdoor rainwater downspout discharges water at the foundation. Add extensions. That’s a super cheap, easy fix for your seller to do for you.   The kitchen window doesn’t close all the way because it has a broken crank.   The exhaust fan in the bathroom doesn’t have any power and it’s not pulling any air.   The outdoor water spigot is missing its valve.   The backdoor is bent at the bottom.   A porch this high off the ground needs to have a railing added.   So, Monique, as you can see, some of these are deficiencies that could occur in a new construction home.   Now, let me touch on a couple of these. The backdoor is bent - that could be pretty minor. If you don’t think it’s aesthetically detracting and the door still closes - then maybe you do ask the provider to fix it - and maybe you don’t.    If I were you, I’d usually just ask.   But if there’s a minor dent in the door instead, and it functions well, then asking for something like replacing the entire door might make you appear unreasonable to deal with.    There’s some judgment there.   But if the backdoor won’t close, you’ve at least got to see that it closes and latches properly.   The last example that I mentioned - if the inspector cites a finding that a porch this high off the ground needs to have a railing for safety, you’ve got to be sure that’s done.   In fact, a reputable provider will be sure that’s done for you.   This is part of you being a good operator. Remember how I’ve discussed that having an LLC is only your fourth line of protection, at best.   Make sure any health or safety findings are addressed from the inspection. Do that good in the world.   If an accident ever did occur at the property - you can always point to the inspection that you had done - and it was an option that you paid for.    The inspection is an option.    So, these are all the findings that the inspector reports to you - and he’ll send you a report of a few dozen pages in a .pdf format.   Some things might be noted in the report, but the inspector won’t list them as deficiencies that NEED to be remedied - like small cracks in the sidewalk.   Often, in the report, the inspector makes a clear delineation as to when a condition is poor enough … such that it falls to a deficient level - and he puts them all in one punchlist at the end of the report.    That way, you’re not having to split hairs and do too much interpretation.   You look the report over, and then you ask the provider to fix them for you before you’ll close on the property.   The provider might take, say a week or so to have their contractor fix those punchlisted items.    When they’ve finished them, then you’re on your way to having your appraisal and moving closer to the closing table.   But, I’ve got to tell you something kind of disappointing here. I’ve been directly investing in real estate actively and continuously since 2002 - and I’ve got to tell you …   … many times, even when the contractor says that they’ve completed fixing everything - even when they send you pictures … something really wasn’t quite fixed right.   So what I suggest, is that - existing construction or new construction - when you hire your inspector, tell him right then & there, that you are also going to want a follow-up re-inspection that occurs after the initial inspection.   The purpose of a re-inspection is confirming that all of the deficienies noted in the original inspection were indeed done.    And by the way, there will ALWAYS be original inspection findings.    An inspector will always find at least one deficiency and I’ve dealt with properties from Pennsylvania to Florida to Alaska to Texas and in-between - and outside the U.S. too.    Inspectors always find stuff that’s wrong. Always. It’s like a universal law.   But, getting back to re-inspections. Upon scheduling your original home inspection, if you point out AT THAT TIME that you’ll also be getting a re-inspection - tell both the inspector & the seller this, I tend to think it helps keep parties on their toes and that they try harder to get the original inspection findings handled - the first time.   And look, re-inspections are super cheap. If a SFR ORIGINAL INSPECTION costs $400, a re-inspection is going to be less than $100.    I’ve even paid $50, $60 in some markets for the re-inspection. It’s hard to believe that you can even get a trained, qualified professional to make a field visit somewhere that inexpensively.      Now - and I have this happen too - what if after your RE-inspection - which would really be a second inspection, that the provider or their contractor STILL didn’t get things repaired properly?   Then the responsibility shifts to your seller - to schedule and pay for a second RE-inspection - which would be a THIRD inspection then - to prove that it’s right.    That’s correct, in every state and nation I’ve ever invested in, the seller-side pays for your second re-inspection … if it comes to that.   That’s fair. Because after the original inspection findings, your seller said they’d make the repairs.    If the re-inspection that you paid for to confirm that it was done, instead shows that it wasn’t done. Your seller had their chance and messed it up. That’s why it’s customary that they pay for the SECOND re-inspection.   So, Monique, to summarize for you here.  Always pay for a property inspection, even on new construction.   Expect there to be findings every time.   And my own personal experience shows that at the time that you book an inspection, it helps to indicate that you’ll be getting a RE-inspection too.   Now, getting a re-inspection makes so much more sense than getting a re-appraisal - if you get a low appraisal, which doesn’t happen often, maybe I’ll discuss that another day.   Re-appraisals are a waste of time … more than 95% of the time, they just come back with the same valuation you got the first time.   An appraisal protects the bank. An Inspection protects you - so be sure to have one done. Excellent question, Monique from Quebec City, Canada. Next week on the show, I’m going to discuss Real Estate’s Secret Market - a geography where the numbers really work for investors that might have been off your radar. After that, we’re going to talk with a prominent economist that’s never been on the show before that’s going to help you see your economic future over the next 1-3 years. We’ve hosted a lot of economists here on the show that give you those long-term investing insights like Richard Duncan, Harry Dent, Jim Rickards, Jim Rogers - and also,  though they might not be economists, Robert Kiyosaki and Chris Martenson are here with us to give us those types of insights. Then there’s “Yours Truly” - I’m your armchair economist without an economics degree.  But this new guest is the leader of the oldest continuously operating economics prediction company in the entire United States, so I’m excited to chat with him and bring you that show soon. As you know, nationally, housing inventory is scarce, especially with these types of single-family homes that make the best rentals. You can’t make any money from the property that you don’t own. So whether you prefer to call it “packaged commodities investing” or the “get paid up to 5 Ways” vehicle, next time you’re looking to connect with a provider at GREturnkey.com … As we spoke of Florida earlier, you’ll see that Jacksonville has brand new construction property, where you’re probably more of a fan of appreciation than cash flow on those.  Rents are $1,350 on a $180K purchase price. That’s a 0.75 rent-to-value ratio. Tampa has existing construction property where you have a 0.8 or .85 ratio and might get, say $150 of monthly cash flow.   Alabama has numbers that work - like rent-to-value ratios near a full 1% and really low property taxes in either Birmingham or Huntsville.   If you’re looking for low cost property - as low as $80K in decent neighborhoods that really cash flow well, Memphis and Little Rock could be the places for you.   The Indiana State side of Chicagoland is advantageous too.   All those places - Memphis, Little Rock, Chicagoland - you can get a full 1% RV ratio or even more than that sometimes.   If you’ve got more patience and want to benefit and capture some forced equity along with your cash flow, the BRRRR model in Baltimore could work best for you.   Check out all of those markets and more - at GREturnkey.com   Thanks! I’m grateful for all of your excellent listener questions today! I’m your host, Keith Weinhold. Don’t Quit Your Daydream!    -------------

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12. Babes, Don’t quit your Daydream!

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Play Episode Listen Later Jan 22, 2020 32:21


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275: Go Out On A Limb

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 13, 2020 36:23


Most people sell their time for dollars. Were you really meant to do what you’re doing right now? Mark Twain said, “Why not go out on a limb? That’s where the fruit is.” Culture conditions most people to live an average, stale life. Don’t trade away your authenticity for approval. In over 6,000 years of human history, being a conformer is not a success recipe. 40 rental doors x $150 cash flow = $6,000 per month. This buys you time. Don’t fear failure; fear not trying.  Powerful assignment: write your own obituary. No one achieves anything extraordinary by playing it safe. People that say, “I want to live frugally.” actually want to say, “I want to live well.”  But they don’t know how. Get residual real estate income at: www.GREturnkey.com  I update you on asset class prices over the past year. Americans paid $4.5T in rent this past decade. The median homebuyer age is up to 47. Corelogic expects a 5.4% housing price jump in 2020. Housing shortages should continue at the low end of the market. Nearly every news outlet reports a stable housing environment. Why? Demand exceeds supply, appreciation rates are sustainable, stringent loan requirements, inflation-adjusted home prices are often still below 2005 levels. **The entire episode's lyrics are at the bottom.** __________________ Resources mentioned: Turnkey income properties: GREturnkey.com Americans Paid $4.5T Rent Last Decade: Zillow article Median Age Of Homebuyers Up To 47: HousingWire article Fannie Boosts 2020 Housing Forecast: CNBC article Lenders, Builders More Conservative: CNBC article Home Prices To Rise In 2020: Yahoo Finance article Homes Under $250K Near Extinction: HousingWire article Mortgage Loans: RidgeLendingGroup.com eQRP: Text “QRP” to 72000 or: TotalControlFinancial.com By texting “QRP” to 72000 and opting in, you will receive periodic marketing messages from eQRP Co. Message & data rates may apply. Reply “STOP” to cancel. JWB New Construction Turnkey: NewConstructionTurnkey.com Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Find Properties: GREturnkey.com Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Welcome to Get Rich Education, I’m your host, Keith Weinhold. Mark Twain said,“Why not go out on a limb? That’s where the fruit is!”  I tell you how YOU can go out on that limb to get that fruit - that prosperity in your life. And, and update on markets and housing here in the new decade. Today, on Get Rich Education. Welcome to Get Rich Education, I’m your host, Keith Weinhold. This is Episode 275 ... and you know something? It has always fascinated me that people will trade time for dollars. You have traded your time for dollars … and I have sold my time for money in the past, as well. Yeah, amazes me that people will work, often doing something that they don’t EVEN LIKE - and spend that time away from their family or for things that they don’t enjoy doing … just for money. It’s actually even worse than that. The long-term plan - the OUTCOME for this sacrifice - isn’t even satisfying. It’s for you to retire old, and THEN only begin to really live … maybe. Well, ironically, the answer to your potential freedom is something that you actually slept inside last night - a piece of real estate.  But you need to invest in real estate in a strategic way. You don’t need to be a landlord and you don’t need to know how to fix things - but few know the way. Here on this show, I simply tell you the things that I would have wanted to know before I started down this road to freedom back in 2002, which is when I bought that seminal four-plex building.   You are where you are today because of you.   Your life isn’t a fluke and it isn’t an accident either. You are where you are because of your choices.   Well, let me ask you - were you meant to be doing what you’re doing now?   Were you put on this earth to do … that?   You probably know definitively without me even having to get specific - you already know - yes or no - if you were MEANT to be doing what you do for money now.   See, the #1 limiting reason that people give for why they can’t do something that they really want to do in their life … is … money.   So, time vs. Money is something that we discuss a lot on the show. It’s something that’s infinitely interesting to me … and what you need to do is “Go Out On A Limb”.   I’m going to discuss that with you a lot more later today.   But first, since we’re a few weeks into this new decade, let’s talk about some more broad and contemporaneous news items - this investor environment that you live inside every day.   Whipping around the asset classes like we do from here time-to-time here - in the year that was, last year, what really happened?   S&P 500 was up nearly 29% - it’s best performance in years. Of course, it’s volatile. In fact, it was just DOWN 6% the previous year.   Year-over-year, many commodities were up. Gold was up 18%, Silver up 15%. Oil - Light Sweet Crude - was up 22%.   Recession fears peaked back in September - four months ago. Columnists and economists and everyday people don’t really talk about recession as much as they did late last year.   Last year, the 10-year Treasury Note yield fell seven-tenths of one percent down to 1.9%. Now, why do you care about what you’ll hear people just shorten and call “the 10-Year T-Note?”   Economists say it that way with their slang.   That is because it’s the rate most closely tied to long-term mortgage interest rates.   I just told you that the note yield fell SEVEN-TENTHS of one percent last year.   Well, see, the most popular mortgage in America, the fell EIGHT-TENTHS of one percent last year down to 3.7%. That’s the 30-year loan.   So, pretty closely correlated. And of course, that’s the mortgage interest rate for primary residences. For investment property, it’s often nearly one percent higher.   Last year, the Freddie Mac House Price Index was up 3.6%.   I like to look at the Freddie Mac Index because it includes pricing for all 50 states and Washington, D.C.   The Case-Shiller Housing Price Index only measures 10 to 20 large cities.   One news story that we experienced in the past year is one that almost no one talks about.    Now, you generally want there to be higher wages out there. That means your tenants can afford to pay you more rent.   Higher wages mean higher inflation which means higher asset prices and also, faster debasement of debt that you owe.   Now, whether you agree that there should be a minimum wage or not ...   The minimum wage keeps getting higher across the country.    More than 20 states are bumping up pay for minimum wage workers this year, here in 2020, while Seattle’s large employers will now pay a nationwide-high of at least $16.39/hr to employees.    Meanwhile, the FEDERAL minimum wage has remained parked at $7.25. But these higher state wages - are a positive for real estate investors.   Now, I’ve aggregated a number of news stories that matter to you - all that have published over the past few weeks. Just about everything is positive for a stable housing environment.   Zillow report an astonishing figure.   Over the last decade, do you have any idea how much Americans paid in rent - in total?   Americans paid $4.5 TRILLION - with a “T” - dollars in rent in the last decade - the decade that just ended a couple weeks ago - the 2010s.   Well, that’s a gigantic number. It’s so giant, that it’s more of a fun figure to contemplate and hard to put it into context.   What CAN you compare this to? Well, this is greater than the GDP of Germany - which is the world’s 4th-largest economy.   Yes, it’s been a rather lucrative decade for landlords - partly due to the fact that the homeownership rate fell through the decade and - consequently - there are more renters now.   So, yes, you only need a small slice of this $4.5T dollar pie to win a substantial degree of financial freedom yourself.   Housing Wire has reported on what the median age of a homebuyer is in America today. Do you have any idea what that age is?   Well, I’ll tell you, to give you some context here, that in 1981, the year that Ronald Reagan first became President, the median age of a homebuyer then was … 31.    Age 31 back in 1981.   The median age of a homebuyer today is … higher than that. Just dramatically higher. Almost unbelievably higher … it is age 47. 47!   So … how did this happen?   There are VARIOUS reasons for this delay, including a dramatic increase in student loan debt - like we’ve discussed before - and a general shifting of attitudes towards the traditional homebuyer cycle.    People are waiting longer to marry, have kids, and buy houses. Household formation is postponed now.   These are some things that you’ve already realized. But you may be surprised to learn that the RESULT of this is now a 47-year-old median age homebuyer.   That’s like … old enough to be a grandparent perhaps.   Just remarkable - and again, great news if you’re renting property to others. People are renting longer - or just renting forever.   Now understand something else - and look, you can’t discriminate against a tenant based on age or for any other reason.    But just think about what else this means - there’s a renter pool today with more, say, 35 and 40-year-olds in it than there used to be …   … and therefore, a smaller proportion of 25-year-olds.    You have this aging of tenants … and older tenants tend to live more quietly in your property and be more gentle on your housing unit.   Long-term demographic trends exactly like these are why we talk about what we talk about here - how everyday, busy people and working professionals can create residual income with these investment properties.   CoreLogic expects a 5.4% home price jump in 2020. Yes, this would be a greater appreciation rate than that 3.6% we saw last year.   Fannie Mae has significantly boosted ITS 2020 housing forecast.    Overall housing DEMAND, they say, is incredibly high, especially at the lower end of the market, which is exactly the end of the market where builders are least active.    Prices are rising fastest on the low end, sidelining some first-time buyers.   Fannie Mae’s Chief Economist Doug Duncan says: “Housing appears poised to take a leading role in real GDP growth over the forecast horizon for the first time in years, further bolstering our modest-but-solid growth forecasts through 2021.”   Now, CNBC recently reported that:    U.S. homebuilders and lenders are to blame for the country’s housing shortage, Marcus & Millichap CEO Hessam Nadji said. Home construction companies have reduced speculation and lowered risk-taking in an effort to prevent “the lessons — if you will, the hard lessons — learned in the  2008-2009 Housing Crisis & Great Recession - from happening again,” is what he said. “All of that is frustrating from a consumer perspective, but it’s actually very healthy from an investment and economic perspective for the U.S. as a whole,” he said. Yahoo Finance - really all these news outlets are reporting various sources that home prices are expected to rise modestly and that housing shortages are expected to continue. Rather than reporting on another similar story about this … I’ve been saying for years on this show that if you’re waiting for housing prices to drop substantially … well, anything is possible.    But I don’t see what could possibly make that happen.   And that’s primarily due to three or four reasons that housing stays firm:   The #1 reason - the chief one is that housing demand exceeds supply. That’s just basic economics. And the housing crash of … now 13 years ago ... was due to the opposite condition. Back then, there was overbuilding - back then supply exceeded demand.   The second of three reasons is that appreciation rates ARE sustainable: Less than 4% per annum lately. Leading up to the housing crash, they were TEN TIMES that in some markets - totally unsustainable.   The third reason that supports housing is that lending practices are responsible. To get a loan, you DO need to supply a somewhat-annoyingly high amount of documentation. You need to have income, reserves, and some decent credit. That didn’t happen in the Great Recession buildup either - ANYONE qualified - and then that ARTIFICIAL demand helped push up home prices unsustainably.   Really a fourth reason - or a bonus - is that once you adjust for inflation - which so many people and even reporting outlets forget to do - many housing markets still haven’t even reached their pre-recession peak from way back in 2005.   So, these 4 reasons to be bullish about housing are all MY takes.   Links to all of the articles that I cited are in the show notes.   Next week, Tom Wheelwright returns to the show with me. Yes, it’s the long-awaited show where it’ll be Weinhold and Wheelwright on 401(k)s and going deep on how you can obtain the desired “RE Professional Designation” and the GREAT tax advantages that that gives you.   Are 401(k)s worth contributing to - even if you get an employer match? We’ll take that one head-on next week. And I think you’re going to get some really surprising answers.   During the holidays a while back, we had all FRESH shows. San Diego-based Get Rich Education listener Andrew Stanton - and his layoff story reminded us of the importance of having multiple income streams.    Should you - as they say “Rent out your backyard” with an ADU - accessory or auxiliary dwelling unit. Well, in places like California where they’re popular ...   Why don’t you instead enjoy your backyard and invest in markets in the Midwest & South where the numbers make better sense anyway.   Two weeks ago, CFP Brent Sutherland & I discussed why conventional financial advisors don’t discuss RE with you.   Last week, we had the “hands-on” perspective with Kevin Cross, asking, “Should you self-manage your rental property and your tenants?”    For him, the answer is “yes” - with some help - and that’s fine.    For me, the answer is “no”.   I want control without having day-to-day responsibility.    Let’s do good in the world and provide people with clean, safe, affordable, functional housing. But I make sure my manager does that.   I want to directly invest in real estate, with property titled in my own name - that way I get paid up to 5 different ways.   But, I don’t want it - I’ll say in my grip - as in - I don’t want to hold real estate right in my hand - otherwise it’s on my plate & on the front burner.    But I do want it within my arm’s reach so that I have CONTROL, and yet a FAIR measure of passivity.   If you want more out of your life, you’ve got to go out on a limb. I’m going to talk about that with you today … next … I’m Keith Weinhold.   This is Get Rich Education.  ________________________   Welcome back to Get Rich Education. I’m your host, Keith Weinhold.   When it comes to your day job ... or how you spend most of your waking day, were you meant to be doing what you’re doing now?   I think that a lot of people get culturally conditioned that you have one path that you just MUST take throughout life, and if you deviate from it too much, that’s bad … because now you’re a non-conformer.   Yes, one path.   This narrative through the Industrial Revolution that you should go to school, get this amount of formal education, this amount of college debt, a good job, work for one company, marriage, kids, buy a big house …   … get a new car every 5 years, just 2 or 3 weeks of vacation per year (my goodness - are you kidding me?), work for 40 years, then retire & play golf … or something like that.    That’s what’s supposed to quote-unquote “guarantee” the masses happiness, fulfillment, and meaning. But it often doesn’t.    So why settle for what the masses do?   People are willing to trade away their authenticity for approval. Rather than being authentic, they instead settle for society’s stamp of approval.   Don’t trade away your authenticity for approval.   Parents, community, friends - they all taught you - here’s the one way you have to live.   Why don’t you, instead, custom design your best life.   What does success look like to you?   Is success being a doctor, lawyer, dentist. If you drive “this” nice of a car, or if you live in this neighborhood, or this nice of a house, if your kids go to this school.   Instead, your definition of success may very well be - are you doing the things that you dreamed about? Are you impacting others in a meaningful way?   You can either live a life of safety or a life of creativity.   Go out on a limb - where that tree branch might yield a little, 30 feet above the ground, scaring you.    Go out on a limb … because that’s where the fruit is.   Understand that the consequence might be that fewer people will PERCEIVE you as a success. How you make your money is more important than how much money you make.    We’re “Get Rich Education - and “Get Rich” means living a rich life - whatever that means to you.   When you’re young & people ask you “What do you want to be?” when you grow up, they’re not REALLY asking what you want to be at all.    They’re asking, “What do you want to do professionally, to earn money?”    It feels risky to say what you REALLY want to be.   It feels risky to use an online platform to try to crowdfund your kitchen device invention. You’re afraid you’ll be seen as a failure when you share that on Facebook and get ridiculed from your friends.   That’s going out on a limb.   Trying to get your workout app featured on Shark Tank - that’s not being a conformer. But that’s where the great stuff happens.   Or, it’s doing what we focus on here - getting residual income from rental property to buy the time to do what you want to do ... or be who you really want to be.   It’s more generationally-proven than those strict entrepreneurial endeavors.    It’s neither quick nor easy, but real estate is a stronger tree branch - and your fruit IS out there.   If you get 40 rental doors that even cash flow just $150 a month each = That’s $6,000 month in rental income for you. Or double that or 10X that if you need to.   Most people live inside circle of certainty with their job and life. And in that small circle, we’ll call it 100% safety & security.   Now, if you enlarge your circle so that it surrounds the first one, you might be living where you only have 80% certainty in your life’s outcome.    If you make an even larger circle, around the first two, and really go for it, now your sense of certainly might be down to 60%.   But the one thing that you CAN be certain of then, it’s that you won’t have any regrets.    The #1 regret of elderly people that are in a nursing home is that “Gosh, I never tried _____”.   They didn’t go out on that limb and they never tasted that sweet, succulent fruit.   I can help tell you whether you’re going out on a limb or not, right now.   Do you know what the most powerful assignment is - with regard to this - it’s to write your own obituary. Put pen to paper.   If you must write your own obituary, right now … you’re going to have great clarity on if your accomplishments are or your contributions … or your current trajectory … are putting you where you need to be.   I think writing your own obituary can strike some fear into you. It puts some fear into me. What would people say about what you did? What would you write down about yourself?    In over 6000 years of recorded human history, no one has ever achieved anything outstanding by playing it safe. No one. The message is clear. You need to either accept the necessity for calculated risk, or settle for way, way less than you deserve.   Look, I’ve got this friend from childhood from when I lived back in Pennsylvania. Nice guy, nice family.    He became a public school teacher - math teacher. And today, I see his posts on Facebook more often than I see him.    One of the things that he commonly posts about are that he complains about how public school teachers aren’t treated well because he has disappointingly low pay.   And I see a lot of his teacher friends commenting on his posts, lamenting about the fact that they have low incomes, and have to take second jobs in the summer or whatever.   Well, after seeing a lot of these posts, I commented with an actual SOLUTION to the problem one time. My comment was something like - and here’s what I wrote:   “Many teachers that I know make $500K to $1M per year and they have great control of their time.” That’s what I wrote.   You should have seen their reaction. My friend and the other teachers on that thread were asking me how this could be - some of them even direct messaging me.   And I said, these well-paid teachers are online teachers. Yeah, they wake up each morning and see how many video course subscriptions they sold overnight.   You should have seen their reaction to that - they were quickly uninterested.    That sounded scary. That didn’t meet conformity.   Now, I’ve got nothing against public school teachers. In fact, I appreciate what they do.    But you can see how much fear there is … with going out on a limb.   See, when you try to provide a SOLUTION to people’s problems, they’d usually rather stay small, stay secure, and keep settling - staying inside that 100% certainty smaller life circle.   Do you think that a public school teacher would agree that their 12-year-old student should be a lifelong learner? Yeah, they probably would.   But is that public school teacher being a lifelong learner themselves if they won’t provide a better life for themself by learning some new online teaching and internet marketing skills?   Everyone wants change. But no one wants TO change.   This is not about condemning people for being employees. It’s about removing that wall between you and what you want.    Because look, you might be a highly compensated employee that WANTS to teach public school math or English to 12-year-olds.   But you can’t afford to make the, say $55,000 a year that a teacher makes.   Building a second income with something proven like real estate softens that financial blow, and it lubricates that transition to doing what energizes you - teaching English to 12-year-olds.   This way, you’re a teacher, but you’re not dissatisfied that your salary is low - because teaching isn’t where you started - and now you’re probably more valuable to 12-year-old students because you are where you really want to be.   The riskiest thing you can possibly do is stay safe and take zero risks because then, you virtually guarantee that you’ll never get the life that you could have had.   Residual income gives you the ability to leverage time - and also provide some physical possessions. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with some materials stuff.   Even if physical stuff isn’t what life is about, it can help you facilitate your best life. Even a simple hiker would like a nice, comfortable backpack, tent, and a sleeping bag.   Some people say they want to “live frugally” but, they only say that because they’ve been conditioned and they don’t know HOW to live better.   When people say, “I want to live frugally”, often, what they really want to say is: “I’d like to live well”.   Like I’ve said elsewhere, the great conundrum of modern society is that …   … people spend all this time learning about how work works … and zero time learning about how money works.    Yet money is the main reason that they even go to work. Hmm. Can you believe that.   Even if you’re one of the fortunate few that doesn’t want a substantial life change, adding a monthly stream of real estate income on top of your current situation sure won’t hurt you.    Investing in real estate myself - ihelped ease my transition from a day job - to doing things like this show - creating value for people in the way that I want to do it.   I invest in - especially this WORKFORCE type of housing - myself.   Earlier today, I talked about some of the economic and demographic “whys” about these modest but decent rental single-family rental homes and small apartment buildings that we so often favor here.   As the American family size continues to shrink and birth rates fall, people want smaller SFHs.    Think about how people live. Smaller family sizes are a trend away from McMansions.    Millennials and Gen Zers are also environmentally conscious. That’s the future, where there’s been this spurning of extravagance.   That’s why these low-cost rental single-family homes are in such demand. In fact, a recent report by economic research consultancy Capital Economics shared a stunning statistic: The number of vacant single-family homes … for sale … priced under $250,000 has halved since 2012. Yes, there are only half as many available now as then. In fact, according to the report, there are only 550,000 vacant homes on the market priced under $250,000. That’s half as many as there were just eight years ago. That’s astounding. When there’s a downturn, people will move from the $2K-$3K rent homes into yours where they pay $1,000-$1,500.   In fact, I just bought two more of these single-family rental homes last month myself. One was $150K and the other about $130K.    And I bought them from GREturnkey.   And you know, if you’re on the edge with your next move, and you don’t know if you should invest in a property or more education … and you’re trying to decide between the two ...    As long as you’ve got a little education, I’d err toward you putting another “property” in your portfolio - or your first property.   Why is that?   That’s because when you buy a property, you get a substantial education about it from the inside.    Buying and owning is the REAL world education that any classroom simulation can’t replicate.   Owning property gives you education …   … but more education alone doesn’t give you more property.   So here, we both teach a man - or woman - to fish AND give you a fish. We do both.   GREturnkey.com is where I’ve done my own property buying for years - including where I purchased these most recent two.   Go there, read a couple reports in some markets that interest you, and get some property under contract.   Over there, right now, I can tell you that:   In Alabama - Birmingham and Huntsville has been furnishing income property pretty actively.   In Ohio, Dayton has been bringing inventory to the market that exceeds a 1% rent-to-value ratio, meaning that you get more rent income per invested dollar there than nearly anywhere else.   Further south, Memphis and Little Rock have similar profitability to Dayton - and there are some really low price points in Memphis if you’re just looking to get started.   Then, Jacksonville has brand NEW construction turnkey property and actually have investor houses available now. Lower cash flow there but brand new.   Then, in Tampa, Florida, you can get a little cash flow and the Tampa-St. Pete metro was the 2nd-highest appreciation market in the nation at 5%.    Yes, year-over-year, Tampa was 2nd … and you can get cash flow in the submarkets north of there.   Tampa has been furnishing, oh, maybe 4 or 5 turnkey properties onto the market each month.    And, see, as noted, inventory is tight nearly everywhere.    In Tampa, you’re looking at something like $1,200 of rent income for a $150,000 property.   At GREturnkey, Chicagoland has an interesting dynamic. Where you’re investing in Chicago’s suburbs of northwestern Indiana.   That way, you get the proximity and economic diversification of a world-class city like Chicago, yet being on the Indiana-side of the state line gives you property taxes that are less than half of that than if you were on the Illinois-side.   Everything I’m discussing here is designed for OUT-of-the-area investors … like me and probably like you too.    It’s turnkey … meaning that the property is fully renovated, under a property manager’s management, and often even occupied with a tenant on the day that you buy…   … so that you’re enjoying that mailbox money … or ACH bank draft money as it might be.   You can find all those providers and more at GREturnkey.com   A big thanks to, well Mark Twain for some inspiration today.    “Why not go out on a limb? That’s where the fruit is.”    I’m back next week with Tom Wheelwright.   Until next week, get started at GREturnkey.com   I’m your host, Keith Weinhold. Don’t Quit Your Daydream!  

Get Rich Education
272: Refinancing, NIRP, GRE Listener Andrew Stanton

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 23, 2019 35:10


Put more cash flow in your pocket by refinancing now. Refinance conditions are ripe: equity up, interest rates down. If you own property and interest rates rise, then hold. But if you own property and rates fall, you can refinance. This way, you’re playing both sides. Sometimes you can negotiate a lower interest without refinancing. Negative interest rates mean borrowers & spenders win, savers lose. GRE listener Andrew Stanton (Email: apstanto@gmail.com) joins me to tell us how this show has changed his life. This San Diego-based GRE follower works as a computer engineer and he’s building his investment real estate portfolio. Losing his job helped Andrew realize how important it is to have multiple income streams. The concepts of ROTI, your return from home equity is always zero, and “Don’t Quit Your Daydream” resonate with him. __________________ Resources mentioned: Andrew Stanton’s Email: apstanto@gmail.com GRE YouTube Channel: GetRichEducation.com/YouTube Mortgage Loans: RidgeLendingGroup.com Turnkey Real Estate: NoradaRealEstate.com eQRP: Text “QRP” to 72000 or: TotalControlFinancial.com By texting “QRP” to 72000 and opting in, you will receive periodic marketing messages from eQRP Co. Message & data rates may apply. Reply “STOP” to cancel. JWB New Construction Turnkey: NewConstructionTurnkey.com Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Find Properties: GREturnkey.com Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation

The Mermaid Podcast
Sirenas: Mermaids in Latin America and the Caribbean

The Mermaid Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 10, 2019 69:42


What do mermaids have to do with zombies, monsters and saints? Laura von Holt interviews Persephone Braham about the mermaid mythology of Latin America and the Caribbean. From the evolution of the word sirenas, to mermaid iconography in religious works and art, to the mermaid’s role in colonialism, this in-depth interview covers the vast and multi-faceted role of mermaids in history, religion, literature and art. Learn about the sirenas relationship to Spanish sirens, mistaken manatees, mother-figures, the Virgin Regla, and Afro-Latin water deities, particularly Yemaya and Mami Wata. Persephone Braham a professor of Latin American literature and culture at the University of Delaware. the author of the book From Amazons to Zombies. Monsters in Latin America and  Song of the Sirenas: Mermaids in Latin America and the Caribbean. Important Links Persephone Braham’s website:  https://udel.academia.edu/PersephoneBraham Song of the Sirenas: Mermaids in Latin America and the Caribbean.: https://www.academia.edu/39391238/Song_of_the_Sirenas_Mermaids_in_Latin_America_and_the_Caribbean From Amazons to Zombies: Monsters in Latin America: https://amzn.to/2LC1wHp Past episodes mentioned: The Little Mermaid, Secrets Behind the Fairytale: http://www.cinderly.com/posts/little-mermaid-secrets-behind-fairytale/ , Mermaids UK: http://www.cinderly.com/posts/mermaids-uk-embrace-empower-educate/ The Princess of The Sea: The Little Mermaid’s Royal Wedding: http://bit.ly/lovelybooksMP Get your Mermaid Merch!  Get 15% off on official Mermaid Podcast merchandise. Use this link to shop: https://teespring.com/stores/the-mermaid-podcast?pr=PODCAST The Mermaid Podcast Recommends! Support this podcast by shopping our mermaid books and other recommendations. Keep in Touch! Sign up for our mailing list to get more behind the scenes bonuses and a heads up when we get new episodes.  Did you like this episode? Got a question or comment? Leave a review or email us at podcast@cinderly.com. Go to MermaidPodcast.com for more mermaid history and facts. Follow us on Instagram @mermaidpodcast and Facebook. The Mermaid Podcast is part of the Frolic Podcast Network. You can find more outstanding podcasts to subscribe to at Frolic.media/podcasts! ♡ ♡ ♡  MORE PRODUCTS FROM CINDERLY ♡ ♡ ♡  **Easy to Bake Unicorn Cookbook** Now on sale: http://bit.ly/Easy2BakeUnicorn DON’T QUIT YOUR DAY DREAM! Do you have a dream in your heart that you’d like to make real?Join us for “Don’t Quit Your DayDream!”  - a new video course to revitalize your creativity and business! Check it out at fairybossmother.com. 

The Mermaid Podcast
The Little Mermaid; Secrets behind the Fairytale

The Mermaid Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 6, 2019 57:52


It’s the 30th anniversary of Disney’s The Little Mermaid. With several adaptations in the works, it’s a great time to talk about the history of The Little Mermaid. Sacha Coward is mermaid folklorist and freelance museum professional who has worked at local, national, and international museums and galleries..and also designs escape  rooms! Host Laura von Holt asked Sacha to tell her everything he knows about The Little Mermaid, Hans Christian Andersen, queer history, mermaids around the world and what mermaids mean today. They also managed to touch on RuPaul’s Drag Race and the Twilight movies. Warning: There’s a teensy bit of strong language.  You can follow Sacha Coward on Twitter at @sacha_coward. Important Links The Wonderful World of Disney Presents The Little Mermaid Live Musical Event:https://abc.com/shows/the-little-mermaid-live Princess of The Sea: The Little Mermaid’s Royal Wedding: https://lauralovelybooks.com/princess-of-the-sea Sacha Coward Twitter thread on Halle Bailey casting: https://twitter.com/sacha_coward/status/1146671220248711168 Evelyn De Morgan’s painting, The Sea Maidens: https://www.demorgan.org.uk/collection/the-sea-maidens/ Past episodes mentioned: MerB’ys http://www.cinderly.com/posts/10-merbys-canadian-mermen-cause/, Mermaids UK: http://www.cinderly.com/posts/mermaids-uk-embrace-empower-educate/ Get your Mermaid Merch!  Get 15% off on official Mermaid Podcast merchandise. Use this link to shop: https://teespring.com/stores/the-mermaid-podcast?pr=PODCAST The Mermaid Podcast Recommends! Support this podcast by shopping our mermaid books and other recommendations. Keep in Touch! Sign up for our mailing list to get more behind the scenes bonuses and a heads up when we get new episodes.  Did you like this episode? Got a question or comment? Leave a review or email us at podcast@cinderly.com. Go to MermaidPodcast.com for more mermaid history and facts. Follow us on Instagram @mermaidpodcast and Facebook. ♡ ♡ ♡  MORE PRODUCTS FROM CINDERLY ♡ ♡ ♡  **Easy to Bake Unicorn Cookbook** Now on sale: http://bit.ly/Easy2BakeUnicorn DON’T QUIT YOUR DAY DREAM! Do you have a dream in your heart that you’d like to make real?Join us for “Don’t Quit Your DayDream!”  - a new video course to revitalize your creativity and business! Check it out at fairybossmother.com. 

Get Rich Education
265: Planning For A Recession & More Listener Questions

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 4, 2019 30:27


Get a market update. Next, I answer your listener questions: 1: How do I start if I know nothing about real estate? 2: What’s better: existing or new construction property? 3: How do I identify an “up-and-coming” neighborhood? 4: How do I raise the rent without losing the tenant? 5: What if there’s a recession?  I bring you today’s show from Anchorage, AK. Next week, we discuss four-plexes. The following week, declining interest rates and more Fed money-printing. 1) My FREE E-book and Newsletter at: GetRichEducation.com/Book 2) Your actionable turnkey real estate investing opportunity: GREturnkey.com 3) Read my best-selling paperback: getbook.at/7moneymyths __________________   Resources mentioned: Credit Score help: MyFico.com Neighborhood Research: NeighborhoodScout.com City-Data.com Mortgage Loans: RidgeLendingGroup.com Turnkey Real Estate: NoradaRealEstate.com eQRP: Text “QRP” to 72000 or: TotalControlFinancial.com By texting QRP to 72000 and opting in, you will receive periodic marketing messages from eQRP Co. Message & data rates may apply. Reply “STOP” to cancel. JWB New Construction Turnkey: NewConstructionTurnkey.com Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Find Properties: GREturnkey.com Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation   Welcome to Get Rich Education, I’m your host Keith Weinhold.   It’s YOUR listener questions today; What’s The Best Guidance For Beginners, Comparing New Construction vs. Existing Construction Property, How To Identify An Up-And-Coming Neighborhood, How To Raise The Rent Without Losing Your Tenant, and How To Position Yourself In The Event Of A Recession.    All today, on Get Rich Education.  ______________________   Welcome to Get Rich Education! I’m your host, Keith Weinhold with Episode 265 and I’m answering your listener questions today.    First, let’s get you up-to-speed with our asset Class Whiparound.    The Fed lowered rates last Wednesday by a quarter-point again.   It IS their third quarter-point rate cut this year, bringing the upper bound of the Federal Funds rate down to 1.75%   Just before air time here:   Year-to-date, real estate is up 3.5% per the Freddie Mac Housing Price Index. The Case-Shiller National Home Price Index is at right about that same 3.5% appreciation rate.   Next, the Freddie Mac numbers show us 30-year and 15-year mortgage interest rates are just a touch more than 1% lower than they were one year ago.   Yes, your COST of money is cheaper now than it was either one year ago OR two years ago.   The stock market has been thriving. The S&P 500 Index is up more than 21% YTD. It’s flirting with all-time highs, as its over 3,000 points now.   Oil prices have not done so well, Down 17% year-over-year    Oppositely, Gold has thrived as it’s up 17% just since the beginning of the year.   Last week, the Commerce Department told us that GDP expanded at an annual rate of 1.9% through the 3rd quarter, falling slightly from 2% a quarter earlier.   The rate of dollar inflation is currently 1.7% YOY as measured by the Consumer Price Index, which is tracked and published by the government’s Bureau Of Labor Statistics.   With the way that they calculate inflation, I think it’s a little hard to believe that the true, diminished purchasing power of the dollar is only 1.7% per annum.    I think that makes about as much sense as turning back the clocks back an hour like we all did the other night, personally.   That’s our Asset Class Whiparound like we do here just once in a while.   Let’s start with the first listener question … and I usually start off with a more beginner-type question - like this first one - and advance from there.     This question comes from Jackie in Esko, Minnesota.   Keith, I love your show. I’m 25 years old, just a year out of college with $22,000 in student loan debt, and I just began listening to you three weeks ago.   Now I’m going back to listen from the very beginning, Episode 1.    What is the best way for me to begin if I know absolutely nothing about RE?    Thanks for the question, Jackie.   Well, you’re on the right track with your learning by starting with Episode 1 of the Get Rich Education podcast.    Bigger Pockets has some very well-populated FORUM that’s good for your learning.   I’d also say, work on your credit score WHILE you’re learning about real estate investing. That’s important in a credit-based asset like real estate.   Learn about what it takes to improve your FICO score at myfico.com   Now, for a beginner, yes, it’s probably not the long-term answer that you want.    But it can be helpful to have a W-2 job … at least in the short-term … before you go onto to dominate your own real estate empire.   I mean … I had a day job for years. Not only does this income help you qualify for loans, but let’s look at some ideal day jobs that can help you advance your real estate CAREER at the same time.   Now Jackie, I don’t know what your college degree was in … but if you’re a true devotee to real estate, consider that, even if you have to accept less income ... there are day jobs that can actually align with your path toward being a real estate investor.   You could become a Property Manager for a management company. Now, that is a tough job but you will learn remarkable things about how real estate works from the inside.  Property Management is perhaps the LEAST-RESPECTED job in all of real estate, but it’s perhaps the most important … at the same time and the manager is probably the investor’s #1 team member.  Other day jobs that can help a real estate investor are:  Being an Asset Manager, Financial Analyst, Real Estate Agent (of course), or a Mortgage Loan Officer. With any of those related jobs, you’re going to learn about things like sales, marketing, pricing, maintenance & repair, capital improvements, and bookkeeping. There are other benefits to making your day job … real estate-related.  You’re going to get to know other people in the business - these could be your future collaborators. You’ll get to attend industry tradeshows. And of course, you’ll get substantial education and training.  So, that’s just one course to consider for a beginning real estate investor. If you’ve got to work a day job before you build your empire anyway, it might as well align with what you’re truly MORE interested in long-term … yes, perhaps … even if you need to take a short-term pay hit. It’s just another angle for you to consider, Jackie. If you want one all-encompassing podcast episode that tells a beginner like you as much as you need to know as possible … all in less than one hour - check out GRE Episode 249, published just a few months ago.    That episode is titled, “The Beginner’s Real Estate Investing Audio Guide” and it’s our most popular episode that I’ve done ALL year. Again, it’s Episode 249.    Thanks for the question, Jackie.   The next question comes from Tate in Providence, Rhode Island.   Tate says, “Keith, I notice that today, more providers offer new construction investment property, but it usually doesn’t cash flow like existing properties do.   Is it worth buying new construction for the lower maintenance costs involved?” Thanks, Tate.   Alright Tate, let’s compare the pros & cons of buying Brand New Construction Rental Property vs. Existing Construction.    And, this is a top-of-mind subject for me because I just wrote about this in Get Rich Education’s e-mail newsletter two weeks ago.    What’s better: existing or new construction rental property?   Like with most real estate answers: “It depends.”   But because a “2-word answer” like “It depents” is really dissatisfying, let’s expand on this.    There are at least 8 different criteria for each type.   Before we look at your trade-offs with each type, understand that new construction turnkey property was almost non-existent until recently.   That’s because during the housing crisis of 2007 – 2010, home prices fell far below replacement cost.   Therefore, builders couldn’t make new developments feasible until existing property prices rose in this decade that we’ve had since the Great Recession.   There was also an oversupply of housing back then. Absorption of existing housing took time before new construction made sense again.   And supply has definitely been absorbed.   In SO MANY markets today, the housing that makes the best rentals is undersupplied.   That’s why new construction makes sense again - and why you’ve gradually seen more new construction income property be offered by providers these past few years.   Let’s look at the advantages of both existing and new construction … and these are certainly broad generalizations ...   First, with EXISTING Construction property - we’re talking seasoned properties here:   Lower purchase price.   Better cash flow. This is especially true in the early years. The early dollars are your most important as an investor.   Established property. You’re pretty assured that the foundation won’t settle. You know that the topsoil grows grass.   With EXISTING property, you’re in an established neighborhood. You already know who the neighbors are.   More safety in your investment with existing property. You see, because residents have lived in established neighborhoods longer, they’re more likely to have substantial equity in their property.   Now, why would you care if your neighbors next to your income property hold higher equity positions?   If there’s a recession, this means that residents are less likely to walk away from their home. This hedges against foreclosures and a valuation downdrain - and this domino effect like we saw in the housing crisis 10 years ago.   With EXISTING PROPERTY, you also have lower property taxes. Though there are also plenty of cases where this isn’t true, because an existing property could also mean it’s closer to the city center.   Location. Because you’re often closer to parks and city centers … residents have shorter commute times. This aids in both attracting & retaining your tenant.   Availability. In turnkey investment property, there are more existing structures available than new construction property.   You can keep your timeline. Construction delays are less likely with existing property.   Now that we’ve looked at what tilts in the favor of existing property - and it is a lot … let’s look at the advantages of Brand New Construction property.   New Construction:   You tend to get Better appreciation.   Higher tenant quality. New features attract a larger tenant pool for you to choose from.   Longer duration tenancies. It’s hard for a tenant to find a better situation, unless they leave to become a homeowner.   You tend to have fewer maintenance costs with new construction property.   Modern amenities. Layouts with open floor plans and a higher bathroom count.   With new construction you often have lower property insurance costs.   Better vendor warranties.   Utilities. New homes are more energy efficient, lowering utility bills. However, the tenant often pays this for you, especially in single-family homes and duplexes.   So, there they are - the advantages of existing property vs. new construction rental property.   Of course, this is general guidance.   Based on regional and other factors, you can surely find some “exceptions” to these criteria.   But these trade-offs can help you decide what’s more important to you as a real estate investor.   Excellent question from you there, Tate.   The next question comes from Alex in Lyndhurst, New Jersey.   Alex asks, “What’s the best resource for determining if a property that I want is in an up-and-coming neighborhood?”   “The market is more important than the property - and a thriving metro doesn’t necessarily mean that every property is in the right neighborhood.   Where do you do your own research?”   Well, thanks for the question, Alex.   In short, NeighborhoodScout.com is my favorite paid resource …   … and City-Data is my favorite free resource. It’s spelled “City-hyphen-Data”.com   Now, what makes Neighborhood Scout potentially worth paying for is that they’ve got investor-grade analytics and tools.   Where the free resource, CityData is more for a “general public” user.   But both resources tell you about things like crime rate, per capita income, vacancy rates, and virtually everything else for cities, zip codes, and even subdivisions.   Of course, there are countless other resources in addition to those two.    Be mindful that you aren’t just looking for neighborhoods that are safe, you’re looking for neighborhoods that are IMPROVING and both of these resources have backward-looking data so that you can track trends.   Remember, in income property, you don’t really want to seek out “beautiful” because beautiful often doesn’t correlate with profitable for cash flow.   But, of course, boarded-up, burnt-out buildings aren’t what you want to see either.   So, as you’ll remember, it’s clean, safe, affordable, and functional. Are people out walking their pets at night? That might be a sign of neighborhood safety.   The things that you can see through Google Street view are things like: are the streets relatively clean, are people mowing their lawns.    If the neighborhood - at least looks - respectable … then tenants are likely respecting your property too.   Too many “For Rent” or “For Sale” signs on a block might be bad sign.    Of course, seeing a lot of signals of remodeling or new construction in a neighborhood - is one of the best signs that could possibly see for an improving neighbhorhood.   The problem there - is that you’ve got to get in before a neighborhood is TOO improved. Otherwise, you’re going to be paying more for the property and the numbers won’t work.    So, there you go, Alex - both some hard data resources for research - and softer signals for what might make for an up-and-coming neighborhood and a safe neighborhood.   If you’ve got a question for me, go ahead and write in at info@getricheducation.com   How do you raise the rent without losing your tenant, and then, what happens if there’s a real estate recession?   That’s after this. I’m Keith Weinhold. You’re listening to Get Rich Education.  _________________________   **COMMERCIALS** ___________________________   You’re listening to the show where you don’t follow money, you make money follow you.    This is Get Rich Education. I’m your host Keith Weinhold.   Ben from Osnabrook, Germany asks:   “When it comes to raising the rent on a tenant, isn’t it better to just keep the rent the same & just … not raise it?   Because the cost of losing that tenant with its greater vacancy time is usually more of a loss than if I’m not receiving that potentially higher rent amount each month.”   And then Ben goes into a number of calculations that show his point.   Yeah, thanks for this great question, Ben.   This is the classic landlord’s conundrum.    Do I raise the rent to “market rent” & risk losing the tenant - or do I forgo that greater rent amount and just remain complacent with occupancy at a BELOW-market rent amount? Let’s use an example here. Say you are renting a unit for $1,000. The tenant signs a one year lease for $1,000 … and after a year, when renewal time comes, you give notice that rent will be increasing from $1,000 to $1,040. A couple days later, your resident responds and tells you that they aren’t willing to pay more than $1,000, and if they must, they will go find another place to live. So you risk losing them. Yes, some tenants really will leave over just a $40 a month rent increase. Now you have a dilemma. You think that you CAN rent the unit to someone ELSE for $1,040.  But on the other hand, you realize that it’ll take a month to turnover and re-rent the unit. You’ll also need to see that the carpets are cleaned, the blinds are replaced, and perhaps do some wall texturing and painting.  So RE-renting this unit will cost you something … plus while this work is done & a new tenant would have to be sought … it might be one month of vacancy that you’d endure.  The question you’re now asking yourself is, will it cost me MORE to turn this unit over & EVENTUALLY get $1,040 than it would to keep this tenant’s rent at $1,000 … and just keep them in place - ? Yes, it usually would.  Numbers-wise, short-term, it’s better to just keep that existing tenant in-place and give them their way and keep the rent at $1,000. In this case, a LOST month of rent while you try to find a new tenant then … effectively costs you ... $1,040.  Plus repairs, you might lose $1,600 on the turnover.  On the other hand, NOT raising rents by this $40/month will only cost $480 for the year. Which loss would your rather take — $1,600 by turning the unit over - or $480 by keeping the same tenant there?  You’d rather keep the tenant in there & only lose that $40 a month or $480 a year … rather than the $1,600 for the turnover & month of vacancy. Well, there’s a solution to this classic conundrum - and it won’t work every time, but the best thing that you can probably do - the way that you can have your cake and eat it too - which means both increase the rent and keep your tenant … is to make an improvement to your resident’s unit a month or two BEFORE you raise the rent. For example, if they don’t have a dishwasher, you can add a dishwasher or add a ceiling fan in the master bedroom if they don’t have one. Or make a minor remodel that makes that tenant’s life better - before the notice of rent increase. That makes the tenant more likely to stay because you’ve just improved their quality of life - and you’ve also shown them that you care - and they’re more likely to pay the rent increase. Not only have you then kept the tenant and now receive a greater rent amount, often times, you can get a tax deduction for the repair or improvement - and above that, even if they do decide to vacate, you just improved your unit that you own. So … that’s the best solution to the dilemma, Ben from Germany. Again the short answer is to make an improvement to the unit, optimally a month or two before the rent increase.  Craig from San Diego, California writes, “Keith, you are the first person that ever opened me up to the world of cash flow. I’ve bought two single-family properties from one of your providers about 8 months ago and I’ve had a good experience so far, other than one tenant that paid the rent about 20 days late month.” OK, so far, so f-a-i-r-l-y good there, Craig from San Diego. Craig goes on to ask, “There are a lot of warning signs about a recession and I’m considering putting a freeze on new purchases until I at least have some certainly in this uncertain environment. What are your thoughts about a recession?”  OK, that’s certainly a valid question, Craig.  You bring up “uncertainty”. I’d say that markets are always, just always, uncertain … and prognosticators and forecasters have been calling for a downturn for 3 years, 4 years, including a prominent economist or two right here on this very show. And that’s alright. That’s alright if there’s someone that’s wrong. A prominent economist’s decision is just one point of many that you have to take into consideration …  … whether it’s an inverted yield curve or slowing GDP growth or inflated stock market price-to-earnings ratios that might point to a recession. Well, especially as it relates to real estate - let’s just talk about how a recession might look as it relates to real estate and what the probabilities are of a recession taking place soon.    First of all, a recession is broadly defined as having two or more quarters in a row of contracting Gross Domestic Product - said another way, a declining GDP for at least six months. That’s what a recession is. Let’s relate a recession to real estate - broadly. 10 years ago, we were mired in the worst recession in a few generations.  Real estate was: #1 - Overbuilt & oversupplied. #2 - Real estate was being bought with irresponsible lending practices where borrowers didn’t have the capacity to pay their mortgages if anything went wrong. Everyone was qualifying for a loan. And #3 - Ten years ago in the Great Recession, we saw ridiculously unsustainable appreciation rates. 20%, 40%, 50%, 60% per year in some markets on this speculative appreciation since anyone could qualify for a loan. Today, I don’t think we’re in position for a real estate recession & if we do have one, it would be substantially milder than what we saw 10 years ago. Why is that? Because today, we’re in EXACTLY the opposite condition than we were 10 years ago. Today, we have an UNDERsupply of housing, lending practices ARE responsible, and appreciation rates are sustainable.  I talked at the top of the show that real estate has appreciated nationally at about 3-and-a-half percent. So, we’re in the opposite place that we were 10 years ago for three main reasons: supply, lending responsibility, and sustainable appreciation rates. In fact, if you’re buying for cash flow in good markets - like you should be - the question I’d ask you - uh, Craig from San Diego - is - do you WANT there to be a mild recession? Yeah, if housing values began trending down for a little while, people are discouraged from buying and then there’s more rental demand.    This is what I experienced when I owned property for cash flow, like I did 10 years ago - when rental demand increased - my cash flow increased greater than the rate of inflation.   So, you might WANT there to be a mild recession when you’re a cash flow buyer.    In fact, this - kind of - workforce housing that we talk about buying here - long-term rentals that are just below the median purchase price for an area (but not too far below) - is some of the most recession-resilient housing type that you can find.    Now, other housing types - take the SHORT-term rental market - like AirBnB properties, HomeAway, VRBOs - they aren’t nearly as recession-resistant as these long-term rentals are.   Now, that doesn’t mean that you can’t own a few STRs - but they probably should be the bread-and-butter mainstay of your portfolio like these long-term rentals are.   AirBnB properties cater to two primary types of people - businesspeople and vacationers.   Now, it seems that most AirBnB owners prefer businesspeople to vacationers … because businesspeople tend to be more quiet, they don’t have parties, and businesspeople are more likely to have REPEAT stays than vacationers.   But in a recession, both business travel and vacation travel gets cut. You saw that happen in the Great Recession - and business travel is one of the first places that businesses cut when they had to get lean.   So … this doesn’t always mean that short-term rentals are dreadful. But long-term rentals are what are recession-resistant.   Again, in long-term rentals, you might actually WANT a recession depending on how you’re positioned.    So, thanks for the question there, Craig.   Next week on the show, we’re going to focus on four-plexes - four-unit buildings and what makes them so special.    The week after that, speaking of a recession, the incomparable Economist Richard Duncan is going to join us and tell us about this QE4-type of activity that the Fed has initiated …   … where the Fed is printing all kinds of money and pumping it into the system … and what that means for the economy.   Richard can make complex concepts sound devastatingly simple sometimes.   In fact, when he was here with us, about a year-and-a-half-ago, just listen into part of that, my question and his answer:   Yeah, could anyone else possibly describe the relationship between inflation and interest rates that succinctly … that concisely?    In fact, when he’s back with us soon, I think that Richard will tell you that nearly the entire globe is ALREADY in a substantial economic slowdown.   Well, what’s one way that I’m acting - and this is something that I regularly do whether I think that a recession is on the way or not - is that I just bought two more properties this past week myself.   Yes, they’re these cash-flowing, long-term rentals like we talk about here … eating my own cooking.   When I was almost ready to buy, I qualified for two more single-family income property loans with Ridge Lending Group.   And then to find the 2 new properties, I did just what you do.    I went to GREturnkey.com, downloaded reports on a couple markets that I was interested in, connected with the provider, and decided to buy two properties in the same day.   Really, walking the walk here. So, if you’re looking for cash-flowing income property in investor-advantaged markets - usually in the Midwest and South, you’ve got to act.    That starts at GREturnkey.com   Until next week, when I’ll be back to help you build your wealth, I’m Keith Weinhold.    Don’t Quit Your Daydream!  

The Mermaid Podcast
Mermaids UK: Embrace. Empower. Educate.

The Mermaid Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 19, 2019 39:53


Mermaids is a charity based in the UK, which has been working to support transgender and gender diverse children, young people and their families since 1995. Susie Green is their CEO. Laura von Holt interviews Susie Green on the history of Mermaids UK, the important work they do supporting families and young people, the organization’s endorsement by Prince Harry, how The Little Mermaid inspired the origins of the charity. You can follow Mermaids on Twitter: @Mermaids_gender and their Instagram is: @Mermaidsgender  Important Links https://www.mermaidsuk.org.uk Mermaid dolls that support Mermaids: https://punkbunnies.co.uk/collections/mermaids-uk   Get your Mermaid Merch!  Use code PODCAST to get 15% off on official Mermaid Podcast merchandise. Visit our shop: https://teespring.com/stores/the-mermaid-podcast?pr=PODCAST The Mermaid Podcast Recommends! Support this podcast by shopping our mermaid books and other recommendations. Keep in Touch! Sign up for our mailing list to get more behind the scenes bonuses and a heads up when we get new episodes.  Did you like this episode? Got a question or comment? Leave a review or email us at podcast@cinderly.com.   Go to MermaidPodcast.com for more mermaid history and facts. Follow us on Instagram @mermaidpodcast and Facebook. ♡ ♡ ♡  MORE PRODUCTS FROM CINDERLY ♡ ♡ ♡  Circus Cracker Crunch and Unicorn Cafe on The App Store: https://itunes.apple.com/us/developer/cinderly-inc/id1266118766?mt=8 **Easy to Bake Unicorn Cookbook** Now on sale: http://bit.ly/Easy2BakeUnicorn DON’T QUIT YOUR DAY DREAM! Do you have a dream in your heart that you’d like to make real?Join us for “Don’t Quit Your DayDream!”  - a new video course to revitalize your creativity and business! Check it out at fairybossmother.com. 

Hip-Hop Daily Dose
#5: Don't Quit Your Daydream

Hip-Hop Daily Dose

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 15, 2019 20:17


Vote for Monikker now in the Chuck D & Configa rap contest, fewer than 24 hours left --> https://twitter.com/LaidlawMedia/status/1171171781538979840 In this audio journal: • Gary Vee’s audio response to my texts • My childhood nickname • The last 24 hours of the Chuck D & Configa rap contest • Finding clarity on my career I’m a finalist in the Laidlaw Media rap contest judged by Chuck D and Configa. I need your help, last chance to vote for Monikker now --> https://twitter.com/LaidlawMedia/status/1171171781538979840 --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/monikker/message

The Mermaid Podcast
The Mermaid Report #2

The Mermaid Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 29, 2019 14:28


The latest in mermaid news from around the globe! Laura von Holt rounds up the under-the-sea news including the casting for two Little Mermaid movies, Season 3 of Siren on Freeform, Meghan Markle’s love of mermaids, and mermaids on Sims 4. Important Links Get the Mermaid Match game on Kickstarter! http://bit.ly/poopartypoker Jodi Benson endorses Halle Bailey as Ariel: https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/07/little-mermaid-disney-jodi-benson-halle-bailey Queen Latifah and Auli’i Cravalho cast in The Little Mermaid TV Musical  https://people.com/tv/little-mermaid-live-musical-event-aulii-cravalho-queen-latifah-shaggy/ Books written by Laura von Holt (under pen-name Madame de Boudoir) http://madamedeboudoir.com/books   Get your Mermaid Merch!  Use code PODCAST to get 15% off on official Mermaid Podcast merchandise. Visit our shop: https://teespring.com/stores/the-mermaid-podcast   The Mermaid Podcast Recommends! Support this podcast by shopping our mermaid books and other recommendations.   Keep in Touch! Sign up for our mailing list to get more behind the scenes bonuses and a heads up when we get new episodes.  Did you like this episode? Got a question or comment? Leave a review or email us at podcast@cinderly.com. Go to MermaidPodcast.com for more mermaid history and facts. Follow us on Instagram @mermaidpodcast and Facebook.   ♡ ♡ ♡  MORE PRODUCTS FROM CINDERLY ♡ ♡ ♡  Circus Cracker Crunch and Unicorn Cafe on The App Store: https://itunes.apple.com/us/developer/cinderly-inc/id1266118766?mt=8 **Easy to Bake Unicorn Cookbook** Now on sale: http://bit.ly/Easy2BakeUnicorn DON’T QUIT YOUR DAY DREAM! Do you have a dream in your heart that you’d like to make real?Join us for “Don’t Quit Your DayDream!”  - a new video course to revitalize your creativity and business! Check it out at fairybossmother.com. 

The Mermaid Podcast
The Secrets of Podcasting

The Mermaid Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 22, 2019 26:19


In this crossover episode with the HBIC Nation Podcast, Laura von Holt and Lindsay Emory sit down to talk about the five things they wish someone had told them before they started their podcasts. This mini-sode is packed with amazing advice that will help you feel confident and ready to share your beautiful voice with the world.  Important Links HBIC Nation Podcast: https://hbicnation.com/hbic-nation-podcast Women With Books Podcast: https://lindsayemory.com/womenwithbooks Books written by Laura von Holt (under pen-name Madame de Boudoir) http://madamedeboudoir.com/books Creativity Coaching with Laura von Holt, Packages and Single Sessions. Email Laura for questions or concerns. Details:https://mailchi.mp/f4b938a0a3de/summersalecoaching   Get your Mermaid Merch!  Use code PODCAST to get 15% off on official Mermaid Podcast merchandise. Visit our shop: https://teespring.com/stores/the-mermaid-podcast The Mermaid Podcast Recommends! Support this podcast by shopping our mermaid books and other recommendations. Keep in Touch! Sign up for our mailing list to get more behind the scenes bonuses and a heads up when we get new episodes.  Did you like this episode? Got a question or comment? Leave a review or email us at podcast@cinderly.com. Go to MermaidPodcast.com for more mermaid history and facts. Follow us on Instagram @mermaidpodcast and Facebook.   ♡ ♡ ♡  MORE PRODUCTS FROM CINDERLY ♡ ♡ ♡  Circus Cracker Crunch and Unicorn Cafe on The App Store: https://itunes.apple.com/us/developer/cinderly-inc/id1266118766?mt=8 **Easy to Bake Unicorn Cookbook** Now on sale: http://bit.ly/Easy2BakeUnicorn DON’T QUIT YOUR DAY DREAM! Do you have a dream in your heart that you’d like to make real? If you’re in the New York area and would be interested in a weekend intensive that covers creativity and personal branding, join us for “Don’t Quit Your DayDream!” Registration is now available for the fall. Check it out at fairybossmother.com. 

Get Rich Education
249: Beginner's Real Estate Investing Guide

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 15, 2019 54:52


Two big mistakes are: 1) Renting out your former primary residence. 2) Only being invested in one market.  This Beginner’s Real Estate Investing Audio Guide also helps you step-by-step with buying an income property: Credit Scoring Mortgage Pre-Approval Writing An Offer Inspection Vetting A Property Manager Appraisal Insurance Closing LLCs  **The entire audio from this episode is transcribed into words and can be found at the end.** People set up LLCs for asset protection, anonymity, or tax purposes. But there is a lot of administrative work. Is it even worth setting up? Your FICO credit score has five ingredients. Down payment, debt-to-income ratio covered. Mortgage pre-approval is better than pre-qualification. Select income property in: job-growth economies, high rent in proportion to low purchase price. Cash flow = Rent Income minus “VIMTUM”. Why would someone sell you a cash-flowing property? “Turnkey” defined. Should you make a lowball offer to a turnkey provider? Also discussed: Negotiation Strategy, Earnest Money, Purchase Contracts, Management Fees, Management Agreements, Mobile Notary, Title Company, Rent-To-Value Ratio, Collecting Cash Flow. __________________ Want more wealth? 1) Grab my FREE E-book and Newsletter at: GetRichEducation.com/Book 2) Your actionable turnkey real estate investing opportunity: GREturnkey.com 3) Read my best-selling paperback: getbook.at/7moneymyths __________________ Resources mentioned: Mortgage Loans: RidgeLendingGroup.com Find Properties: GREturnkey.com Memphis & Little Rock Property: MidSouthHomeBuyers.com Turnkey Real Estate: NoradaRealEstate.com QRP: TotalControlFinancial.com JWB New Construction Turnkey: NewConstructionTurnkey.com Our Tampa Real Estate Field Trip: RealEstateFieldTrip.com Best Financial Education: GetRichEducation.com Follow us on Instagram: @getricheducation Keith’s personal Instagram: @keithweinhold     Complete Audio Transcript:   Welcome to Get Rich Education. I’m your host Keith Weinhold and I’m here to help Beginning Real Estate Investors Today.  The biggest beginner mistakes to avoid, when you make an offer - can you lowball a turnkey provider, and all those buyer steps like LLCs, mortgage pre-approval, inspection, appraisal, and closing. Today, on Get Rich Education. _____________________ Welcome to GRE. This is Get Rich Education Episode 249 - and this is your Beginner’s Real Estate Investing Audio Guide. Hi, I’m your host Keith Weinhold. We’re talking about how to get into long-term buy & hold RE investing - and that’s because it’s the most generationally-proven way to build wealth. First, let’s talk about a couple of the biggest mistakes that real estate investors make - it’s being invested in only one geographic market. Often, that’s the market that they just happen to live in.  There is more risk with being in only one market than most realize, because you’re now tied to the fortunes or misfortunes of just one area’s economy. Another substantial, common real estate investor mistake is that they continue to hold onto one - I’ll call it - special - property in their portfolio that they usually need to get rid of - but they have either sentimental ties to it - or they just hold onto it for convenience, and do you know what that property is? I’m actually talking about a specific property here. It’s the home that THEY YOU USED TO LIVE IN yourself. Well, what’s wrong with renting out the home that you used to live in yourself?  You might still have the preferable owner-occupied financing locked in on that one - and afterall, that’s a better rate than you could get on a non-owner-occupied rental. The problem is that the property probably doesn’t perform BEST as a rental. But you might be clearing, say $500 per month by using your former primary residence as a rental today.  Look, for you, it’s often about the cash flow - and yes, it is about the cash flow.  But there’s something even more important than cash flow - that’s because nearly any property will cash flow if the loan were paid off. That’s why it’s really more specifically about the rent-to-value ratio of a property. If you’re renting out the home that you used to live in, and it wasn’t strategically bought as a rental, if your rent-to-value ratio (or RV ratio) is 0.6%, meaning that for every $100K in value it has, you’re only getting $600 of monthly rent income, then you’re losing cash flow dollars every year - and every month. Look, let’s give a real life example of the .6% RV ratio. Say that you can get $1,800 rent out of that $300K property that you used to live in.  But instead, three $100K homes bought strategically as rentals can have a combined rent income of $3,000. Yes, you can still find that full 1% rent-to-value ratio. So it’s either one $300K property at $1,800 of rent income. Or three $100K properties at $3,000 of rent income.  So you’re losing $1,200 dollars of cash flow every month - you’re only getting $1,800 rather than $3,000 - by not buying and owning strategically in markets in the Midwest and South where the properties make sense as a RENTAL on the day that you buy it. Your primary residence only made sense as a primary residence on the day that you bought it.  Now you can see that the only reason that you own it, is because you defaulted and “fell” into it. Don’t fall into things. Be intentional.  You are a better investor when you’re intentional rather than emotional. It’s even better for you now. Beyond your $1,200 of additional cash flow with some repositioning, now, with three properties instead of one - now you’ve also taken care of the first real estate investor mistake that I mentioned. WITH three rentals rather than one, now you can be diversified across multiple markets. Two birds are killed with one stone. Now with some re-positioning, you’ve increased your cash flow by $1,200, AND you’re in multiple markets. One property isn’t divisible. We’re talking about real estate investing for beginners today, so let me clearly guide you through step-by-step on just how you go about buying your first property - writing an offer, inspection and vetting your Property Manager which is known as due diligence, appraisal, and onto closing and receiving cash flow from the tenant. As you’ll see, much of today’s show pertains to any investment property at all. But we’re talking mostly about how to buy single-family turnkey homes, especially homes outside your home market - as most of the best deals are not found where you live. Like they say, the best investors live where they want to live, invest where the numbers make sense. Get Rich Education is heard in 188 world nations.  Today’s content is primarily geared toward United States real estate investors - but those that live outside the United States will benefit here too. Here’s a question that you might have - “How do I go about setting up an LLC - a Limited Liability Company - to hold my investment property in?”  I’ll tell you - I don’t think “How do I set up an LLC?” is the best question to ask. The best question to ask is, “Should I set up an LLC?”  The three main reasons people set up an LLC are for either anonymity, tax purposes, or asset protection. Now, if you know that you WANT to set up an LLC - I’ve done three episodes on that topic with Rich Dad Legal Advisor Garrett Sutton. You can go to GetRichEducation.com, type “Garrett Sutton” in the search bar, and those three episode numbers will appear so that you can listen. But the reason that the question is, “Should I even SET up an LLC?” is because: Setup of LLCs complicates your life. Maintaining a registered agent, Articles Of Incorporation, having separate accounts, tracking expenses with separate credit cards, paying annual fees for everything - depending on how many LLCs you have and how you structure your life - it can wear you out.   The second reason you should ask yourself, “Should I even set up an LLC?” is because you might not have many assets for a litigant to go after. Retirement accounts have certain protections already. Equity in a property could be low-hanging fruit for a plaintiff attorney if someone gets a judgement against you. But since the Return From Equity is always zero, what would you have much equity in a property anyway?   The third reason you should ask yourself, “Why should I even set up an LLC?” is that frivolous or slip-and-fall type of lawsuits are rare. Not only have I never been a party to one, I’ve never even heard of any investor friend or associate having one - and I talk to a lot of people. You probably haven’t heard of one either.   Now, note that I’m not saying you can’t get an LLC or shouldn’t get one. I’m saying, prioritize those questions to yourself. First, it’s “Should I get one?”. If that’s a definitive “yes”, only THEN ask: “How do I set one up?” Why do you think you have to? Did some attorney use fear tactics to get you to? If the result of the LLC’s administrative overburden provides a greater reward in the form of asset protection, anonymity, or tax benefit - which is typically a flow-through taxation type anyway, you might then … get an LLC. So, as a beginning real estate investor, understand that real estate is a credit-based asset - meaning it’s usually bought with a loan.  So let’s talk about getting your finances in order before you contact a lender or select an income property.  That begins with you having enough cash liquidated for a 20% down payment on the property - add about 4% for closing costs, depending on the state that you’re buying your property in - and on the lowest-priced property that’s still in a decent area of a low-cost city - which might be a $60,000 property … 24% of that then is about $14,000 that you’ll need. You should have some extra on top of that as reserves.  Now, let’s look at another part of your finances - your DTI - your debt-to-income ratio. It cannot exceed 43% to 45% - maybe up to 50% in some circumstances.  So if your monthly minimum debt payments - everywhere in your life - housing payment, minimum credit card payments, minimum car payment - if that sum is $5,000 and your gross monthly income is $10,000 - that’s a 50% DTI. You can’t exceed that. Of course, before a bank is willing to loan you money, they want to have a reasonable assurance that you aren’t weighed down with debt elsewhere because their fear factor goes up that they won’t get paid back. Next, let’s talk about your credit score. We dedicated an entire episode to this back in Episode 54. If you can remember back that far, Philip Tirone was here with us and you learned more about credit scores that you probably ever thought you would … … and he even went on to call the credit scoring system a total scam. He was quite opinionated - it was interesting and eye-opening, but ...  Playing within the scam here - as it might be.  There are many different credit scoring models, but the FICO Score - F-I-C-O - is a respected one that you’re probably going to see your mortgage lender use. It stands for Fair Isaac Company. Their credit scoring range is 300 - the worst, up to 850. 850 is essentially a perfect score. Importantly, 740 is the highest score that helps you here.  If you have a 782 or an 836, it doesn’t help you qualify for the loan or get you a lower mortgage interest rate or anything else.  740 is where you’re optimized.  Now, just a quick overview of FICO credit scoring ... There are five primary ingredients that make up your credit score. In order of importance, they are your payment history, amounts owed, length of your credit history, new credit, and finally credit mix.  That first one, Payment History, is the most heavily weighted one. It’s 35% of your score. As you might expect, the repayment of past debt is a major factor in the calculation of credit scores. It helps determine your future long-term payment behavior. Both revolving credit (i.e. credit cards) and installment loans (i.e. mortgage) are included in payment history calculations.  Although installment loans like mortgages take a bit more precedence over revolving credit - like credit cards.  This is why one of the best ways to improve or maintain a good score is to make consistent, on-time payments. The next way, your Amounts Owed – 30% This category is basically credit utilization or the percentage of available credit being used - or borrowed against. Credit score formulas “see” borrowers who constantly reach or exceed their credit limit as a potential risk. That is why it’s a good idea to keep low credit card balances and not overextend your credit utilization ratio. So if you’ve got just a $1,000 balance on a credit card with a $10,000 credit limit, that’s seen as a good ratio. You’re staying well within your limits then.  The third FICO credit score ingredient is the Length of your Credit History – 15% This factor is based on the length of time all credit accounts have been open. It also includes the timeframe since an account’s most recent transaction.  Newer credit users could have a more difficult time achieving a high score than those who have a long credit history. That’s because if you have a longer credit history, FICO has more data on which to base their payment history. The fourth of five FICO ingredients is your “Credit Mix” – Now we’re down to an ingredient only comprising 10% of your score. Credit mix just means that it helps your score if you have a combination of credit cards, retail accounts, installment loans, finance company accounts and mortgage loans.  Finally, “New Credit” makes up the last 10% of your FICO score. Don’t open too many new credit accounts in a short period of time. That signifies a greater risk to lenders – and that’s especially true for you if you’re a borrower with a short credit history.  And you sure don’t want to open up any new lines of credit, down the road when you’re in the qualification process for buying a new property unless you check with your Mortgage Loan officer first. Knowing what factors make up your FICO® Credit Score can help you qualify for more loans and get better mortgage interest rates. That’s the bottom line. This helps you get pre-qualifed or pre-approved with your Mortgage Lender. To get prequalified, you just need to provide some financial information to your mortgage lender, such as your income and the amount of savings and investments you have. Your lender will review this information and tell you how much they can lend you.  After pre-qualification, you can seek the higher-level status and that is getting pre-APPROVAL for credit. Pre-approval is better than pre-qualification. If you think about it, it makes sense. Qualifying for anything in life is not as good as getting approved for something - I suppose.  Pre-approval involves providing your more detailed financial documents - like W-2 statements, paycheck stubs, bank account statements, and your previous two years tax returns. This way, your lender can VERIFY your financial status and credit. Now that you’re pre-approved with a lender, you can focus on the market and property that you’re interested in.  RidgeLendingGroup.com is the mortgage lender that we recommend most often because they SPECIALIZE in income property. They don’t have any seasoning requirements. Seasoning means that the person selling YOU the property needs to have held onto it for a certain length of time - or the lender won’t finance the property for you. While you’re in the pre-approval process, you can be learning about a cash-flowing investment market.  You want to pick a geographic metro market that typically has low-cost properties, and high rent incomes in proportion to those low costs.  In fact, the market is more important than the property. Because your income comes from your tenant, and your tenant’s income comes from a job. So you typically don’t want to own much property in a town with 14,000 people that’s an outlying area - not part of a greater metro - where 1/3rd of the employment is tied to one tungsten factory or even one semiconductor manufacturer. Because now, too much of your income stream is tied to just one industry. You also don’t want to buy slummy property. Those tenants often don’t pay the rent. You also don’t want to buy the median-priced home or higher, because the numbers don’t work out. So you want that working class housing that’s just below the median price point for the area. If you’re not already confident about that and familiar with the right provider ...  We have information on the right market, with the right provider, with properties - and they’re typically in the MidWest and South - at GREturnkey.com.  So read a market report there. That’s good, pointed information. Most investors are interested in a property for the production of cash flow. That’s the margin by which your rent income exceeds all expenses. Rent income minus expenses should be a positive number. So that’s your monthly rent minus VIMTUM. V-I-M-T-U-M.  Vacancy, Insurance, Maintenance, Taxes, Utilities, and Management. I like easy ways to remember things and VIMTUM is an easy way to remember. So, you’re listening to the Beginner’s Real Estate Investing Audio Guide here as a regular episode of Get Rich Education. If you’re not a beginner & you’re still listening, it’s either a good review and you might even be learning some new things along the way yourself.  Including, should you ever lowball a turnkey provider and a negotiation approach that I have for that - in a few minutes.  But first, one reasonable beginner question is ...   “Now why would someone would want to sell me a cash-flowing property in the first place? Why would someone sell me a good thing that pays them every month that they could continue to hold onto for cash flow? If a property pays someone every month while they hold onto it - why in the heck would they sell it to me? OK, some seller out there has a golden goose that lays a golden egg every month, so why in the world would they give me an opportunity to buy the goose? Well, there are just so many reasons for selling cash-flowing property - yes, a ton of reasons for selling even a young, healthy goose that lays golden eggs every month & is expected to so for years. Well, a turnkey provider runs out of money too. They can’t buy all the properties themselves.  They’d prefer a lump sum payout when they sell this property, because their business model is to go pay all cash for another distressed property that they can fix up.  And if you think that they snatched up the good ones themselves a while ago - yeah, they probably did do some of that. In fact - I WANT them to have snatched up some good properties from their own market earlier. It shows me that they believe in what they sell. Now, other reasons that the - I guess general public seller might want to sell you a property is ... One reason is moving. Say that a family in City A owns a few mom-and-pop rental homes that they self-manage and they’re moving to City B in another state, they’ll often sell their income properties. Some people want to self-manage their property (often because they never explored their best-and-highest use, but anyway) & if they have to move to City B, they’ll sell the property rather than try to find a Property Manager in City A.  Another reason people sell cash-flowing property is that - even if someone is not moving, that person might be tired of the self-management hassle - but yet they don’t try professional management - because that person has the DIYer mentality - that soooo common do-it-yourself mindset. OK, most people just don’t take a strategic approach to real estate investing. Other reasons for people selling cash-flowing property are death, marriage, divorce, and all kinds of either joyous or tragic life milestones. If a husband-and-wife own rental properties but running & managing them was kind of the husband’s thing & the husband dies … the wife doesn’t know how to run the properties & she’s likely to sell rather than hire a Property Manager. People may sell their cash-flowing property in case of all kinds of emergencies - medical and otherwise - because they may need a quick lump of cash - instead of the steady stream of cash flow over time that just won’t work for them in their new situation. OK, most of those situations involve some sort of external life change for property sellers - a lot of them tragic. Well - here’s a personal one for you...  A few years ago, I sold two cash-flowing apartment buildings at the same time - well, those sales actually closed on consecutive days - so nearly the same time. Both of those cash-flowing apartment buildings that I sold were 100% occupied with tenants, I had competent management in place, and there were no deferred maintenance issues with the buildings. You want to know my reason for selling two nice golden apartment gooses that were steadily laying some nice golden eggs? OK...can you guess why?  Alright, fortunately I didn't have any distress or emergency in my life. ...oh, and also, I wanted to sell them fast too, I couldn’t let these two cash-flowing apartment buildings linger on the market for a while. I really wanted to get rid of them. I had no distress like those situations I mentioned earlier. So can you guess why I wanted to sell these long-producing golden gooses in a good job growth market that produced nice cash flow, nice golden eggs? I’ll tell you why. That's because I knew I could 1031 Exchange those two gooses for two even larger gooses. Now I won’t get into the 1031 here on a beginner episode.  But I replaced the two smaller apartment buildings with two larger apartment buildings that would produce even larger eggs if I did it with a quick timeline - and I could defer any tax on my profitable gain.  I found - I guess - two very fertile egg producers that were going to produce even more cash flow over time. So...I think you get the message here. To the buyers of my smaller apartment buildings, I appeared as a very motivated seller of cash-flowing property, even though I had no external stress in my life.  It was due to internal reasons that I wanted to sell...and it’s the internal drive to expand my income.  No shrinking thinking here at Get Rich Education. Now, when you’ve found a cash-flowing property that you want to buy, should you make a lowball offer to a turnkey provider? My definition of lowball here, is, a 10% discount.  We’ll say, that a provider is offering a property for $120,000 - then you’d make the offer for 10% less, which is $108,000. That’s a lowball. My answer is ...  No. That’s not going to work. In almost every instance, that’s too much of a discount and it’s going to eat their margin too much.  Depending on how it’s presented, a seller might even be less motivated to work with you if they get a lowball offer.  This company has a business to run and with a turnkey property, you’re typically paying for the convenience. You leveraged their systems of them delivering this product to you that’s already renovated, rehabilitated, tenanted, and under management.  Now, can you can knock off $1K-$2K? And say, offer the seller then - $118K or $119K for the $120,000 property. Yeah, that might work.  It sure wouldn’t be deemed some unreasonable request. But it’s good to at least provide a reason - some rationale - in asking for the discount. Let me give you some perspective on this negotiation too.  For every $1,000 less in a mortgage loan that you take out, how much do you think that saves you in a monthly payment? Did you ever figure out how much that saves you? Well, at a 5% interest rate on a 30-year loan, reducing your mortgage loan amount by $1,000 saves you … $5. Five bucks in a reduced payment.  For more perspective, keep in mind too, that once the seller accepts your offer - it’s only the first part of the negotiation. Later, it’s a negotiation with the inspection. We’ll discuss how to navigate THAT shortly. I’m Keith Weinhold. You’re listening to Get Rich Education. ________________   Welcome back to Get Rich Education. This is your Beginner’s Guide to Real Estate Investing. I’m your host, Keith Weinhold and we’re talking about buying an income-producing property.   That may or may not be a TURNKEY property - which just means that it’s already renovated, tenanted, and under management with a tenant on the day that you buy it.    Now, once your offer is accepted by the seller, I want to give you - really just a brief outline of what to expect next.    This isn’t intended to give you every step in exhaustive detail, but this is generally what comes next for United States real estate purchases, and custom varies somewhat from state-to-state.   So with that in mind, once the turnkey provider or seller accepts your purchase offer...   You need to send in your earnest money. Earnest money is not the down payment. It’s a smaller amount that shows good faith that you’re serious about your offer.    It’s often an amount of $5,000 or less and it shows the seller that you’re serious enough about buying the property that the seller has the confidence to take their property OFF the market and not show it to anyone else.   The seller should give you instructions on how to place your Earnest Money.    Now remember, your earnest money deposit is not going directly TO the seller, it is going to a third-party escrow account, and it is refundable to you in accordance with the terms of the contract you signed.   Your contract should have an estimated closing date in there. I want to emphasize that the key word there is “estimated”.    While it is important that all parties work towards closing by this date, between you and me - let’s just be realistic - the reality is that many transactions get delayed beyond the closing date in the contract for a variety of reasons on the seller side, sometimes having to do with construction or renovation delays.    If this happens, it is nothing to be worried about, just remain in touch with the seller and you can simply sign a contract extension if needed when the time comes.   As you are financing your property, be sure to keep getting your lender anything that they ask you for up so that they can keep processing your loan.    As your closing gets near, they will probably ask you for some updated information and have some final stipulations from the underwriter, so just remain in close touch with your lender and try to provide them what they need as swiftly as you can.   During most of this time where you’re under contract & even before you’re in-contract to buy the property, most of your relationship with your lender and seller is just sitting around, waiting for the next stage.    Once construction/renovation is completed on your property, I suggest that you order a professional home inspection before closing.    As the buyer, this is at your expense, but the home inspection is cheap insurance for you and it is an important part of your due diligence. It might cost you about $300 for a single-family turnkey income property.   A four-plex inspection might cost up toward $800.   When seeking an inspector - seek ASHI certification - that is American Society of Home Inspectors.   You’re looking for an inspector with a good reputation, licensed and bonded. It is good to look for a level of experience as well. The choice is really yours as the Buyer.   Your inspector points out deficiencies in what I’ll break into a few categories.    #1 is Major concerns – these are significantly defective, safety issues that require immediate repair. Often times, those things MUST be done in order for your lender to even finance the property so the seller is going to do those things for you. That might be adding a railing to a porch.   The second category are recommended repairs – So they’re recommended but not required. That might be adding some extra insulation in the attic.    The third category is “nice if it were done” - like a kitchen cabinet door that’s a little loose and doesn’t close snugly.   When you get your home inspection report back because the inspector has compiled their findings, the key to remember is that the inspector will ALWAYS return a (usually long) list of items that they recommend be corrected prior to closing.    Now, this even happens on new construction, so expect some findings.   And remember, you are not closing on the property in the condition it was inspected. Rather, the inspection is just part of the process on the path to getting the property to its final condition.    Then you and the seller agree on what will be fixed (at the sellers expense, and verified to your satisfaction), prior to closing.    The seller is anticipating that they will need to make some final repairs (at their own expense) after they get the inspection repair request from you. This is all part of the normal process.   Of course, you can get in a car or hop on a plane and visit the turnkey property yourself and walk the property with your inspector, but I’d say fewer than 10% of turnkey buyers do this.    But going to see the property in person is never a BAD idea.   Today, it’s easier than ever for an inspector or provider to e-mail you a property video. The report that you get from your Home Inspector after he visited the home will have lots of photos and details.   Typically, purchase offers are contingent on a home inspection of the property to check for signs of structural damage or things that may need fixing.  This contingency protects you by giving you a chance to renegotiate your offer or withdraw it without penalty if the inspection reveals significant material damage. Once the seller makes any needed repairs that the third-party inspector found, I suggest having a re-inspection done by that same inspector. This gives you the chance to confirm that any agreed-upon repairs have indeed been made. You might spend another $100 on this re-inspection. Now, if the original inspection showed that a leaky faucet needed to be replaced, and the seller said they’d do it, and the re-inspection finds that that work wasn’t done as promised, then any FURTHER re-inspection costs are often a cost borne by the seller. Which seems pretty fair - they said they’d do work - and the re-inspection that you paid for confirmed that it hadn’t been done in this case. Now, back to the negotiation. If you asked for a reduced Purchase Price, that could lean away from you asking for too much in the inspection.   How do I like to play it? Often times, I make a full price offer for the property - and I might even let the seller know at that time that I’d like to give you your price - it’s a full $120,000 in this case - and since you got your price, I’d like my terms.   My terms are - that I’m more bold in what I request the seller to do from the inspection findings.  Maybe I will ask them to add that extra insulation in the attic as one of those “Recommended buy not Required For Financing” items - or replace a window pane that had condensation inside it.   Then, what’s my justification for asking the seller for that. It’s that I’m paying your full price. Again, financing an extra $1,000 only costs me $5 per month.   Now, let’s talk about the property appraisal.    The appraisal is a tool that the bank uses to verify the quality of their collateral.    Because in your loan paperwork, at closing, the bank will basically tell you that if you don’t make your monthly payments, you’ll be foreclosed upon and the bank will take back the property - that’s their collateral.   So they want to make sure that the property seems to be worth as much or more than you’re in contract for - that $120,000 in our example.   Your lender is the one that orders the property appraisal, not you. In about 90% of U.S. states, you as the buyer pay for the appraisal. It costs up to about $500.    The appraiser is a member of a third-party company and is not directly associated with the lender. It wasn’t always that way.    In fact, one factor that led to the housing downturn of 2007 in the Great Recession is that some lenders & appraisers were “in cahoots”. Haha! That can’t happen anymore.    BTW, the appraisal and some of these other steps are all part of your closing costs. All part of that … about 4% of the property purchase price.   The appraisal is typically done by a certified appraiser physically visiting the home - and these people always seemingly have a tape measure with them.   The appraiser checks out the premises and their job is to use market comparables to make sure that the lender has adequate collateral in case you, the borrower, default.   OK, the bank doesn’t want to lend out more than the property is worth or else they could find themselves underwater if the borrower defaults. The appraisal protects against this.   And don’t confuse this appraisal with an assessment. An assessment is something that a county or municipality uses the measure the amount of property taxes that are paid. It’s really unrelated to this appraisal.   Now, before you select your Property Manager, I’d really like for you to talk with them on the phone or use a free video chat service like Zoom - it’s Zoom.us - it works a lot like Skype but Zoom is easier to use.   I mean, I don’t make many phone calls in my life anymore - much like a lot of people. But I want you to have a phone or video call with your PM because ...   I want you to have a good vibe - a good feeling about your property manager and to vet that manager just like you would vet out a manager for a non-turnkey company.   Just because a property is branded “turnkey” by a company, doesn’t mean that you can dismiss doing your due diligence. Turnkey can be a great system, but there’s nothing magical about that word alone.   Don’t overlook developing a good feeling about your Property Manager, because this is the one long-term relationship that you expect to have. I just can’t emphasize that enough. Your Manager is one of your key team members.   They’ll tell you the character of the current tenant that’s currently in the home. Find out how the manager is going to pay you. Feel them out, know what your communication flow is going to be like.    If they’re part of the same company, a good manager should also connect you with whom renovated your turnkey property in case you have some questions for them.   Now, notice that I haven’t mentioned a real estate agent. Most turnkey providers work in a direct model so that you don’t have to go through agents.   You must sign a written Management Agreement with your Property Manager.    This gives the manager written authority to manage your property for you, it will state their fees, and you’ll have your contact information in that agreement.   There are typically two fees - a leasing fee and a management fee.   A leasing fee is where you’ll spend ½ month’s rent to one month’s rent amount when the Manager screens a new tenant. So hopefully that only happens every 1 or 2 or even 5 years if you’re lucky.    Yes, you can typically approve or reject their selected prospective tenant. You are going to be the owner of the property afterall.   A management fee is often 8-10% of one month’s rent income - and that’s what you pay monthly - ongoing.   You can sign a Management Agreement with the property provider if they have management integrated in-house. If not, you can lean on your provider for some management recommendations.   Now, there’s one blank to fill in on your Management Agreement - it’s a dollar amount up to which the manager can pay for expenses that come up - against your account - without contacting you.    For example, if the number $500 is written in there, that means that if a maintenance or repair expense on your property exceeds $500, they must contact you prior to incurring that expense.   You get to choose that dollar limit. As a beginning real estate investor, go with a lower figure.    Then as you get comfortable and / or you don’t want to be bothered about the property as much, you can increase that dollar limit in which they need to contract you about approving maintenance or repairs.   Basically, if there’s something that has to do with the property & you don’t want to deal with it, then make sure it’s written in the Management Agreement that the manager will perform it.   Typically, it’s going to say that the manager will collect rent, handle tenant relations, respond to repair requests, send you the rent, keep your ledger of income & expenses on the property, post legal notices if a tenant is paying the rent late, and sooo many other associated duties that I personally don’t want to deal with. I just want to live my life.   Get that Management Agreement done - fully executed - signed by both you & the Manager BEFORE you close on the property.    Before you close, you can buy property insurance from any provider you choose.    Your turnkey provider is often happy to recommend some providers that their other clients have used in this market, or you can just Google and find your own.    Be sure to let the insurance provider know that this is a rental property (not a primary residence where you live and not a second home).    Most turnkey buyers purchase both hazard and liability insurance as part of their policy. Like any other insurance policy, you will have choices about deductibles, monthly payments, and coverage amounts.    If you are financing your property, your lender will most likely be able to combine your property taxes and insurance into your monthly payment, so you have one monthly payment for principal, interest, taxes and insurance (PITI) … much like you would on your primary residence.   The financing process typically takes about 30 days from the time you submit your EM.    Remember that YOU are a factor in how fast your property closes. If that lender needs another document, give it to them pretty promptly.   When you have finalized your due diligence, and verified that the seller has made all the agreed upon repairs from the home inspection report, you will be ready to close.    You likely live in a different state than the property and will close remotely. The title company (or its a closing attorney in some states) will prepare your closing documents - including your loan docs...    ...and can arrange for a mobile notary to meet you with the docs wherever you choose (your home, your office, your local coffee shop, etc.) so you can sign the docs in front of a notary who will then overnight the docs back to the Title Company so the transaction can fund.   Your lender will arrange for a title company to handle all of the paperwork and make sure that the seller is the rightful owner of the house you are buying.   It may seem like the closing process is a lot of work, but you’ll really spend most of the time waiting. Most of the time, you'll just be sitting on your hands, waiting for someone else involved in the transaction to come through.    So find something enjoyable to occupy your time and distract you while you wait, and feel secure in the knowledge that you've done your research and know how to make your closing process go smoothly.   When you complete that closing with the mobile notary - I’ve done these closings at my home’s dining room table, or even in my employer’s conference room back when I used to have a day job - then, hey!    You need to congratulate yourself on adding another income property to your portfolio.   You know, the good news is that of all of these stages we’ve discussed - the longest stage of them all is your ownership of the property. You Own & Collect the cash flow.   And hey, this isn’t reason enough alone - but it’s kinda cool that you own property in TN and FL and IN.  You own part of each one of those states.    And with each new turnkey property you buy, you might have just increased your mostly passive cash flow by $311 per month or $118 per month or whatever it is.   If you can swing it, it can be more efficient timewise for you to buy more than one property at a time.   As you buy more income properties, it not only gets easier because you know the process, but you often get quantity discounts.   For example, a management company might charge you a 9% management fee on your first three properties, but once you own four or more, they might charge you 8% on all four rather than 9%.   Insurance companies often have similar discounts for you….so you may very well get a little more profitable as you buy more property.   A rent-to-value ratio of 1% is generally quite desirable, meaning one month’s rent is 1% or more of the purchase price.   For example, a $120,000 property and a rent income of $1,200.    $1,000 rent income on a $120,000 property would probably work fairly well too.   You typically want to avoid properties with RV ratios of less than 7/10ths of 1%, or 0.75.    Let’s keep in mind that the RV ratio is only a rule of thumb. It doesn’t account for a major recurring expense like property taxes.   In high property tax jurisdictions like many Texas markets, you probably want that RV ratio up higher.   Now, as a beginning real estate investor, or even an advanced one, don’t worry about not know it ALL. No one’s ever going to know it all with real estate.   In fact, I’ve been actively investing in real estate since 2002 and just within the steps of ACQUIRING a property, like I carefully discussed today, some incremental half-step will come up in the process that I hadn’t been thinking about previously - like signing a Lead Paint Disclosure Form.   So, you don’t need to commit all of this stuff to memory.   Now, something that novice real estate investors say sometimes is something like: “I would only buy an income property that I would live in myself.”    I contend that that is an awful criterion upon which to found strategic fundamentals on purchasing an income property.   Once one filters property that way, they have let their emotions trump facts.    If the fact that a clean, safe, affordable, and functional property has a good occupancy rate in a sound employment market, decent ENOUGH neighborhood, and the numbers make sense - that’s more important.   OK, you aren’t living there yourself so it’s not a sound criterion.   Shoot, if I moved into any income property that I own, my lifestyle would take a substantial hit. Yet I’m not a slumlord - I provide housing that’s clean, safe, affordable and functional.   But they’re not replete with fantastic amenities, it does not have Corinthian architecture with alabaster columns - OK - but I know there’s a demographic for my rental property type that demands this responsible-but-no-frills housing over time.   It’s about asking yourself a better question, like, “Will this property secure an income stream?”    Alright, would you rather have your property look “cute as a button” - or secure an income stream?   OK, we’re investors here.   Some think that in today’s electronic age, you should be able to complete a property purchase from the time you write an offer until you close on a property in the same-day.    Well, that’s certainly not true. As you witnessed, physical things need to take place because you’re buying a real, physical asset.   We’ve been talking today about how you buy an income property - just simply that - especially as it pertains to buying an out-of-state turnkey income property - from the time that you get a property under contract and submit the earnest money to escrow all the way to closing.   ...because that’s how to generate passive income, which in turn, creates a rich life for you.   Again, this isn’t an all-encompassing guide today with EVERY little detail. But we’ve hit the major milestones in the process & more.   You’ve got a good general guide on the income property-buying structure.    You might have learned something about prioritization - perhaps LLCs matter less than you thought and a communicative Property Manager matters more than you thought.   Today’s show has the type of content that will be about as relevant 5 years from now as it does today.    Now, today is also evidence that real estate does not have the liquidity that some other investments do. It takes longer to get in & get out.   However, that low liquidity actually contributes to relative price stability in real estate. OK, there’s no panic selling in real estate.   Maybe the most important thing for you to keep in mind is that...   You cannot make any money from the property that you don’t own.   Your future depends on what you do today.   To “know” something and not “do” something is to really not know something.   The most important thing you can do is act...because you cannot make any money from the property that you don’t own.   Again, a recommended, specific INCOME property lender is Ridge Lending Group. Our network of income property providers is at GREturnkey.com   And one particular property provider to highlight over there is Memphis, Tennessee’s Mid South Home Buyers. Not only are they great with beginners, but they have profitable properties at lower price points, which some beginners would rather start with.   MidSouth Home Buyers has been rather popular for all those reasons and that’s created a longer wait list. Well, the news is that MidSouth Home Buyers has just expanded into another great investment market - Little Rock, Arkansas.   So that should help shorten their wait list.   If you can’t remember those three resources - Ridge Lending Group for the loan, GREturnkey and MidSouthHomeBuyers for the properties, I’ll be sure that they’re the first three links in the “Resources Mentioned” portion of the Show Notes accompany this episode.   There would be nothing worse than for me to share today’s knowledge with you - then not let you know where to go to act upon that knowledge.     It’s been my pleasure to bring you your Beginner’s Real Estate Investing Audio Guide today. If you got value from today’s show, I’d be grateful if you took a screenshot of the podcast player image here on your podcatcher …   ...and posted it to your Social Media account - your Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or LinkedIn - and let your social friends know that if they’re ever interested in real estate investing, this episode is a great place to start.    Next week, I’ll talk about how you Retain your tenants at the same time you RAISE the rent.    I’m your host, Keith Weinhold. Don’t Quit Your Daydream!   

The Mermaid Podcast
Mermaids at SeaWorld? Speak the Ocean by Rebecca Enzor

The Mermaid Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 10, 2019 52:53


What if mermaids were kept at SeaWorld? SPEAK THE OCEAN is new novel by Rebecca Enzor, billed as Blackfish meets The Little Mermaid, in which a trainer at the world's first mermaid theme park has to risk his life to let the world know that the park's ill-treated mermaids are just as human as we are. Laura von Holt interviews Rebecca Enzor on where science meets fiction, what makes a mermaid like a human, and what might happen if we discovered mermaids in this modern era. Rebecca Enzor is a  nuclear chemist who lives in Charleston, South Carolina. SPEAK THE OCEAN is her debut novel. Buy Speak the Ocean: https://amzn.to/2JppbtM Important Links Rebecca Enzor’s website: https://rebeccaenzor.com Rebecca’s mermaid book recommendations: She’s Mine, a short story: https://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/charleston/shes-mine/Content?oid=25874808 Putting the Science in Science Fiction: https://amzn.to/2JqE92S The Vicious Deep - Zoraida Cordova:  https://amzn.to/2xFuoqC Fathomless - Jackson Pearce: https://amzn.to/2YSx4wY Mermaids and Other Mysteries of the Deep - edited by Paula Guran:  https://amzn.to/2LJiRyX Into the Drowning Deep - Mira Grant: https://amzn.to/2JnEAe0 Sea Witch - Sarah Henning: https://amzn.to/2XACC2W ~ Books written by Laura von Holt (under pen-name Madame de Boudoir) http://madamedeboudoir.com/books Creativity Coaching with Laura von Holt, Packages and Single Sessions. Email Laura for questions or concerns. Details:https://mailchi.mp/f4b938a0a3de/summersalecoaching Get your Mermaid Merch!  Use code PODCAST to get 15% off on official Mermaid Podcast merchandise. Visit our shop: https://teespring.com/stores/the-mermaid-podcast The Mermaid Podcast Recommends! Support this podcast by shopping our mermaid books and other recommendations. Keep in Touch! Sign up for our mailing list to get more behind the scenes bonuses and a heads up when we get new episodes.  Did you like this episode? Got a question or comment? Leave a review or email us at podcast@cinderly.com. Go to MermaidPodcast.com for more mermaid history and facts. Follow us on Instagram @mermaidpodcast and Facebook. ♡ ♡ ♡  MORE PRODUCTS FROM CINDERLY ♡ ♡ ♡  Circus Cracker Crunch and Unicorn Cafe on The App Store: https://itunes.apple.com/us/developer/cinderly-inc/id1266118766?mt=8 **Easy to Bake Unicorn Cookbook** Now on sale: http://bit.ly/Easy2BakeUnicorn   DON’T QUIT YOUR DAY DREAM! Do you have a dream in your heart that you’d like to make real? If you’re in the New York area and would be interested in a weekend intensive that covers creativity and personal branding, join us for “Don’t Quit Your DayDream!” Registration is now available for the fall. Check it out at fairybossmother.com. 

The Mermaid Podcast
The Coney Island Mermaid Parade with Bambi The Mermaid

The Mermaid Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 22, 2019 38:54


Learn all the secrets of The Coney Island Mermaid Parade! Each summer, The Coney Island Mermaid Parade attracts thousands of onlookers, and hundreds of participants who compete to have the wildest and most creative mermaid-inspired costumes. Bambi The Mermaid is the Queen of Coney Island. She’s also led the world-famous Coney Island Mermaid Parade for over 27 years. Host Laura von Holt caught up with Bambi The Mermaid to learn about the history of The Mermaid Parade, and get some tips for watching and participating  in the world’s largest art parade. The 37th Annual Coney Island USA Mermaid Parade is on June 22, 2019. Important Links Bambi The Mermaid ~ http://www.bambithemermaid.com/ Bambi The Mermaid on Instagram ~ https://www.instagram.com/bambithemermaid/ The Coney Island Mermaid Parade: https://www.coneyisland.com/programs/mermaid-parade The Mermaid Parade on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mermaidparade/ Books written by Laura von Holt (under pen-name Madame de Boudoir) http://madamedeboudoir.com/books Creativity Coaching with Laura von Holt, Packages and Single Sessions. Email Laura for questions or concerns. Details:https://mailchi.mp/f4b938a0a3de/summersalecoaching The Mermaid Podcast Recommends! Support this podcast by shopping our mermaid books and other recommendations. Keep in Touch! Sign up for our mailing list to get more behind the scenes bonuses and a heads up when we get new episodes. Did you like this episode? Got a question or comment? Leave a review or email us at podcast@cinderly.com. Go to MermaidPodcast.com for more mermaid history and facts. Follow us on Instagram @mermaidpodcast and Facebook. ♡ ♡ ♡  MORE PRODUCTS FROM CINDERLY ♡ ♡ ♡ Circus Cracker Crunch and Unicorn Cafe on The App Store: https://itunes.apple.com/us/developer/cinderly-inc/id1266118766?mt=8 **Easy to Bake Unicorn Cookbook** Now on sale: http://bit.ly/Easy2BakeUnicorn DON’T QUIT YOUR DAY DREAM! Do you have a dream in your heart that you’d like to make real? If you’re in the New York area and would be interested in a weekend intensive that covers creativity and personal branding, join us for “Don’t Quit Your DayDream!” Registration is now available for the fall. Check it out at fairybossmother.com.

The Mermaid Podcast
Mermaid Swimsuit Revolution with Elizabeth Taylor of Curvy Beach

The Mermaid Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later May 24, 2019 41:13


Not all mermaids have tails, but they do need swimsuits! Meet our friend and mermaid swimsuit designer, Elizabeth Taylor. Elizabeth moved to New York with big dreams and is now the designer and founder of Curvy Beach, a luxury swimwear company in sizes 0-26. After a Refinery 29 video about Curvy Beach went viral, Elizabeth’s life and business were completely changed. From actress to plus-size model to designer, Elizabeth shares her journey of becoming a designer who disrupts the industry daily by following one simple rule: Life is short. Love your body. Last summer, Curvy Beach released a limited edition of mermaid print bikinis, which immediately sold out. The 2019 mermaid print will be released on Friday, May 24 at 3pm EST and will be available in the classic Curvy Beach side tie, bandeau top, triangle tip, hi waist bottom and one-piece. Shop now before they sell out. Important Links Shop Curvy Beach ~ curvybeach.com Curvy Beach on Facebook ~ facebook.com/curvybeach Curvy Beach on Instagram ~ instagram.com/curvybeach Curvy Beach video on Refinery 29: https://www.curvybeach.com/the-video-that-started-a-revolution   Books written by Laura von Holt (under pen-name Madame de Boudoir) http://madamedeboudoir.com/books   The Mermaid Podcast Recommends! Support this podcast by shopping our mermaid books and other recommendations.   Keep in Touch! Sign up for our mailing list to get more behind the scenes bonuses and a heads up when we get new episodes. Did you like this episode? Got a question or comment? Leave a review or email us at podcast@cinderly.com. Go to MermaidPodcast.com for more mermaid history and facts. Follow us on Instagram @mermaidpodcast and Facebook. ♡ ♡ ♡  MORE PRODUCTS FROM CINDERLY ♡ ♡ ♡ Circus Cracker Crunch and Unicorn Cafe on The App Store: https://itunes.apple.com/us/developer/cinderly-inc/id1266118766?mt=8 **Easy to Bake Unicorn Cookbook** Now on sale: http://bit.ly/Easy2BakeUnicorn Do you have a dream in your heart that you’d like to make real? If you’re in the New York area and would be interested in a weekend intensive that covers creativity and personal branding, join us for “Don’t Quit Your DayDream!” Registration is now available for the summer and fall. Check it out at fairybossmother.com.

The Mermaid Podcast
The Mermaid Report #1

The Mermaid Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 1, 2019 16:21


Introducing The Mermaid Report: Mermaid News From Around The Globe! Host Laura von Holt shares the current news that’s on her mermaid radar, including Disney’s Mermaid Academy, Kellog’s Mermaid Froot Loops, Conservation Mermaids, Siren on Freeform, and several mermaid conventions. There’s also an update on Season 3 of The Mermaid Podcast, a new vlog, and Laura’s burgeoning mermaid author empire.   Important Links 7 Things Every Mermaid Lover Needs on International Mermaid Day: http://www.cinderly.com/posts/7-things-mermaid-lovers-need-international-mermaid-day/ Don’t Quit Your Day Dream VLOG: WATCH ON YOUTUBE--> http://bit.ly/DQYDDVLOG WATCH ON INSTAGRAM--> https://www.instagram.com/lauravonholt/channel/ POLL: Should we have a Facebook group? Vote: https://www.facebook.com/mermaidpodcast/ Books written by Laura von Holt (under pen-name Madame de Boudoir): http://madamedeboudoir.com/books The Mermaid Podcast Recommends! Support this podcast by shopping our mermaid books and other recommendations. Keep in Touch! Did you like this episode? Got a question or comment? Leave a review or email us at podcast@cinderly.com. Go to MermaidPodcast.com for more mermaid history and facts. Follow us on Instagram @mermaidpodcast and Facebook. Sign up for our mailing list to get more behind the scenes bonuses and a heads up when we get new episodes. ♡ ♡ ♡ MORE PRODUCTS FROM CINDERLY: ♡ ♡ ♡  **Easy to Bake Unicorn Cookbook** Now on sale: http://bit.ly/Easy2BakeUnicorn Do you have a dream in your heart that you’d like to make real? If you’re in the New York area and would be interested in a weekend intensive that covers creativity and personal branding, join us for “Don’t Quit Your DayDream!” We also have an exciting extended program to transform your life and business coming in the fall. Check it out at fairybossmother.com.  

The Mermaid Podcast
Are Mermaids Real?

The Mermaid Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 28, 2019 7:20


Are mermaids real? Do mermaids exist and how do we know if they are real? Host Laura von Holt tackles a popular listener FAQ. She discusses three popular theories, including did mermaids evolve from humans? Are mermaids creatures of fantasy and myth like unicorns and faeries? Why are humans drawn to mermaids and why do people believe in mermaids? If you have a mermaid question you’d like us to answer, email us at podcast@cinderly.com. Past episodes mentioned: Mermaids Through The Ages http://www.cinderly.com/posts/s2-e2-mermaids-history-sarah-peverley/ Mermaid Encounters http://www.cinderly.com/posts/mermaid-podcast-close-encounters/ The Mermaid Podcast Recommends! Support this podcast by shopping our mermaid books and other recommendations. Keep in Touch! Did you like this episode? Got a question or comment? Leave a review or email us at podcast@cinderly.com. Go to MermaidPodcast.com for more mermaid history and facts. Follow us on Instagram @mermaidpodcast and Facebook. Sign up for our mailing list to get more behind the scenes bonuses and a heads up when we get new episodes. MORE PRODUCTS FROM CINDERLY: **Easy to Bake Unicorn Cookbook** Now on sale: http://bit.ly/Easy2BakeUnicorn Do you have a dream in your heart that you’d like to make real? If you’re in the New York area and would be interested in a weekend intensive that covers creativity and personal branding, join us for “Don’t Quit Your DayDream!” We also have an exciting extended program to transform your life and business coming in the fall. Check it out at fairybossmother.com.

I’ll Say It Then
Don’t Quit Your Daydream • The State Of The Union Address: Approved

I’ll Say It Then

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 6, 2019 22:00


Felicity talks about the importance behind why you shouldn’t quit your daydream. Felicity also talks about the State of the Union address to Congress by President Donald Trump and why he told us everything we wanted to hear.

The Mermaid Podcast
Mermaid For This

The Mermaid Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 24, 2019 25:58


You are mermaid for this! Laura von Holt chats with Desiree Reinhard, jewelry designer, entrepreneur, mermaid-at-heart and host of the Mermaid For This podcast. They chat about the importance of taking risks, how to find inspiration, and going after your dreams. Hear the story about how Desiree found her best creativity in a hurricane. Yes, an actual hurricane. Did you know seaglass is called “mermaid tears” - we didn’t! This episode also includes a shoutout to one of our listeners and their awesome review of this podcast. Leave us a review on your favorite podcast app or on Facebook and we may share it in a future episode! Important Links: Listen to Mermaid For This Podcast A Guide to Starting Your Own Podcast HBIC Nation Podcast Mermaids: The Myths, Legends and Lore The Mermaid Podcast Recommends! Support this podcast by shopping our mermaid books and other recommendations.   Keep in Touch! Did you like this episode? Got a question or comment? Leave a review or email us at podcast@cinderly.com. Go to MermaidPodcast.com for more mermaid history and facts. Follow us on Instagram @mermaidpodcast and Facebook. Sign up for our mailing list to get more behind the scenes bonuses and a heads up when we get new episodes. MORE PRODUCTS FROM CINDERLY: **Easy to Bake Unicorn Cookbook** Now on sale: http://bit.ly/Easy2BakeUnicorn Do you have a dream in your heart that you’d like to make real? If you’re in the New York area and would be interested in a weekend intensive that covers creativity and personal branding, join us for “Don’t Quit Your DayDream!” We also have an exciting extended program to transform your life and business coming in the fall. Check it out at fairybossmother.com.

The Mermaid Podcast
Working Mermaids: An Interview with Merfaire, a New Mermaid Podcast

The Mermaid Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 4, 2019 45:11


Yes, “mermaiding” is a thing, and you can hire people who do it! Laura von Holt chats with her new friends, Amanda the Desert Mermaid and Captain Luke, who are also hosts of Merfaire, a new podcast all about mermaiding as a business. They give the inside scoop on being merpeople with an eye for business, the state of the fast-growing mer-industry, and where they think “mermaiding” is headed in the future. Hint: maybe it involves mermaid quidditch! They also share some stats from the first-ever industry survey of professional mermaids, and what they hope to accomplish with their podcast for mermaid professionals. If you want to be a working mermaid when you grow up, this episode is for you! This episode also includes a shoutout to one of our listeners and their awesome review of this podcast. Leave us a review on your favorite podcast app or on Facebook and we may share it in a future episode! Important Links: Amanda the Desert Mermaid Listen to Merfaire Buy Amanda The Desert Mermaid on Amazon The Mermaid Podcast Recommends! Support this podcast by shopping our mermaid books and other recommendations. Keep in Touch! Did you like this episode? Got a question or comment? Leave a review or email us at podcast@cinderly.com. Go to MermaidPodcast.com for more mermaid history and facts. Follow us on Instagram @mermaidpodcast and Facebook. Sign up for our mailing list to get more behind the scenes bonuses and a heads up when we get new episodes. MORE PRODUCTS FROM CINDERLY: **Easy to Bake Unicorn Cookbook** Now on sale: http://bit.ly/Easy2BakeUnicorn Do you have a dream in your heart that you’d like to make real? If you’re in the New York area and would be interested in a weekend intensive that covers creativity and personal branding, join us for “Don’t Quit Your DayDream!” We also have an exciting extended program to transform your life and business coming in the fall. Check it out at fairybossmother.com.

The Mermaid Podcast
Aquaman Explained

The Mermaid Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 17, 2018 39:22


There’s a new Aquaman movie in theaters, starring Jason Momoa! While other people might call it a superhero film, we think it has “mermaid relevance” written all over it! But who is Aquaman, and what’s his deal? Laura von Holt asked Aquaman expert Rob Kelly of the Fire and Water Podcast Network to explain Aquaman in mermaid terms, and wow did he deliver! Rob Kelly explained the history of Aquaman, the aquatic mythology of Aquaman and Atlantis, Aquaman’s history in comics and film, and what we might see in the Warner Bros film. After listening to this deep dive into the lore of Aquaman, you will never think of him as just “the guy who talks to fish.” Important links: Fire & Water Podcast Network Aquaman Shrine Twitter The Many Face of Aquaman on the Fire and Water Podcast Aquaman (Arthur Curry) - DC database Mera’s Miniseries Lori Lemaris Aquaman, A Celebration of 75 Years Geoff Johns’ Aquaman #1     The Mermaid Podcast Recommends! Support this podcast by shopping our mermaid books and other recommendations. Keep in Touch! Did you like this episode? Got a question or comment? Leave a review or email us at podcast@cinderly.com. Go to MermaidPodcast.com for more mermaid history and facts. Follow us on Instagram @mermaidpodcast and Facebook. Sign up for our mailing list to get more behind the scenes bonuses and a heads up when we get new episodes. MORE PRODUCTS FROM CINDERLY: **Easy to Bake Unicorn Cookbook** Now on sale: http://bit.ly/Easy2BakeUnicorn Do you have a dream in your heart that you’d like to make real? If you’re in the New York area and would be interested in a weekend intensive that covers creativity and personal branding, join us for “Don’t Quit Your DayDream!” We also have an exciting extended program to transform your life and business coming in the fall. Check it out at fairybossmother.com.

The Mermaid Podcast
How to Buy a Mermaid Tail For Swimming

The Mermaid Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 3, 2018 6:17


We’re trying something new and tackling Listener FAQ’s in this minisode! Are you looking to buy a mermaid tail for swimming? Laura von Holt gives an overview of the kinds of mermaid tails you can buy, tips for staying safe, and some best practices for enjoying your swimmable mermaid tail. Links mentioned: Mermaid Tail Reviews: http://www.everythingmermaid.com/mermaid-tails/ Fin Fun Mermaid Tail Water Safety: https://youtu.be/k-KQwKQ4jE0 Mahina Mermaid Fin - Buy On Amazon Fin Fun Mermaid Tail (Child size) - Buy on Amazon Past episodes mentioned: Making custom mermaid tails with Finfolk Productions: http://www.cinderly.com/posts/11-tail-making-finfolk-productions/ Mermaid Tail & Water Safety with Aurelia, The Deep Blue Mermaid: http://www.cinderly.com/posts/6-aurelia-mermaid-stem/ Fabric Tail Reviews and Mermaid life with Finfluencers Molly Nye of Everything Mermaid http://www.cinderly.com/posts/12-finfluencers-mermaid-lifestyle-online-off/ Did you like this episode? Got a question or comment? Leave a review or email us at podcast@cinderly.com. Go to MermaidPodcast.com for more mermaid history and facts. Follow us on Instagram @mermaidpodcast and Facebook. Sign up for our mailing list to get more behind the scenes bonuses and a heads up when we get new episodes. More products from Cinderly: **Easy to Bake Unicorn Cookbook** Now on sale: http://bit.ly/Easy2BakeUnicorn Do you have a dream in your heart that you’d like to make real? If you’re in the New York area and would be interested in a weekend intensive that covers creativity and personal branding, join us for “Don’t Quit Your DayDream!” We also have an exciting extended program to transform your life and business coming in the fall. Check it out at fairybossmother.com.

Get Rich Education
212: Savers Are Losers. Debtors Are Winners.

Get Rich Education

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 29, 2018 37:39


#212: Really? Yes. I unpackage it all. In fact, these are the words of the Top-Selling Personal Finance Author Of All-Time, Robert Kiyosaki. *[Complete transcript far below - you can follow along]*  Look, I have no savings account. I own no stocks, bonds, mutual funds, nor ETFs. I have no plans to pay off my home, though I could. Instead, it’s about durable passive cash flow. Either you can be conventional, or you can be wealthy. Pick one. I tell you how savers can be losers and debtors can be winners. Inflation amplifies this notion. Keep a high velocity of money. You wouldn’t tolerate a lazy employee, so why tolerate lazy money? Then I discuss how high real estate prices and higher interest rates will affect you. More Americans believe renting is cheaper than owning their own home. I tell you why your ROTI increases throughout your life. __________________ Want more wealth? 1) Grab my free E-book and Newsletter at: GetRichEducation.com/Book 2) Actionable turnkey real estate investing opportunity: GREturnkey.com 3) Read my best-selling paperback: getbook.at/7moneymyths __________________ Listen to this week’s show and learn: 03:30 Convention says: “Save money and pay off your house before retirement.” 06:20 I have millions in debt. 08:46 How savers can be losers and debtors can be winners. 10:41 Inflation. 13:10 Debt and equity. 18:04 Mortgage rates should rise 1% in the next year - how this affects you. 23:08 How higher rates affect your tenant. 25:48 Today, more people think it’s wiser to rent than own their own home. 30:31 National homeownership rate. 31:06 Return On Time Invested. Resources mentioned: WSJ: Renting Cheaper Than Owning CNBC: Renting vs. Buying Mortgage Loans: RidgeLendingGroup.com Cash Flow Banking: ProducersWealth.com Turnkey RE: NoradaRealEstate.com QRP: TotalControlFinancial.com Find Properties: GREturnkey.com GRE Book: GetRichEducation.com/Book   Complete transcript:   Welcome to Get Rich Education. I’m your host Keith Weinhold. “Savers Are Losers. Debtors Are Winners.” Could that be true? Well, that’s a quote from none other than the Greatest Selling Financial Author Of All-Time. We’re going to break that down.    and...    What do higher interest rates mean to your future as an investor? Today, on Get Rich Education.   Hey, welcome to Get Rich Education, I’m your host Keith Weinhold.   Savers are losers. Debtors are winners.   Really, how can something that sounds so absurd to most people - be true?   Well, those are actually the words of the Greatest-Selling Personal Finance Author Of All-Time - Robert Kiyosaki.   Let’s unpackage this paradox, “Savers Are Losers, Debtors Are Winners.”   Now, one night recently, I was invited to a housewarming party by my friend, Jeff. Jeff & I have done running races together for years…   ...he had just married, so Jeff and his wife had us and a number of friends over to “warm their new house”.   Jeff had a lot of friends at the party that I did NOT know, and so I ended up meeting and striking up a conversation with these two older men.     One of the two men was a retired Engineer, and the other one still had an active work life - to some extent - he told me - as being a mutual fund salesperson.   So...this was about to get really interesting.   Now, I often enjoy talking to people decades older than I.   As the three of us were standing around, I asked them how a younger person like me should prepare for retirement… just kind of to see what would happen.   I figured that their answer to me would be rather predictable… and it sure was.   And these guys don’t know what I do. I had just met them for the first time.   The first thing that they said, is, they told me to save money.   Right after that, the other guy added, “And pay off your house before retirement!”   Now, you probably know that the advice that they just dispensed to me is nearly the polar opposite of how I think about wise financial management - and achieving a good ROI, and managing your equity well.   I just sort of quietly kept eye contact with them as they told me to save and pay off my house.   Next, they asked me, well what do YOU do?   Now, it’s hard to explain to some people what I do, so - rather getting than detailed about that right away - I started replying to them by telling them…   ...well, I don’t HAVE a job. In fact, I quit my job years ago, because it took too much of my time.   Now - just between me & you - running Get Rich Education isn’t so much a job - but it is work. It’s work that I enjoy.   Anyway, moving on about my chat with these two older gentlemen, since they told me to SAVE money... I added that, I don’t even have a SAVINGS account actually.   And then I said: “As far as paying off my home by retirement - well, I do happen to own my home - though I often wonder if I would be better off paying rent instead.   In fact, if I did move, it’s fairly likely that I would become a renter, and not own again.”   But as long as do I own, I expect to keep my mortgage balance high into retirement age. In fact, if equity accumulates in my home, I’m always quick to yank it out.”   By now… this was piquing some interest in these two guys that I had told them this.   Since one of the guys was a mutual fund salesperson, I just respectfully added in that,   “Yeah, you know, I don’t own ANY stocks or bonds - or anything like them - no ETFs, no mutual funds.”   Now, I’ll just tell you - though that’s true, it’s likely that I’ll have some exposure to stocks again soon once that stock market feels more adequately valued.   Based on what I told them so far, maybe they were thinking that I couldn’t afford to be invested in stocks.   But anyway, by this time, I am demonstrating to these two guys that I am financially pretty divergent from the mainstream - and certainly far from their concept of financially secure.   They might have even been feeling a little sorry for me at this point.   Now, the next thing I told them, since we were on the topic of savings and debt - was just merely another fact in my life.   And this one was like I completely detonated a verbal bombshell right there in front of their faces - in Jeff’s living room - when I told them - “Yeah, actually, I have millions of dollars in debt that I’m frankly… never going to get paid off.”   At this point, the two older guys might have even wondered why our mutual friend Jeff invited me over to this house party in the first place.   Maybe they thought that it’s a wonder that I’m not homeless… or wondered if I own a car or ever go on vacations.   Well, I sure didn’t tell them that “Savers are losers, debtors are winners at this point.”     But I started to explain my investor life to them, without trying to tell them that they’re wrong, and without pros - hell-I-tie-zing or trying to get them to adopt my point of view..   I think I just opened them up when I told them, that, well, actually, I don’t want to accumulate equity in my home because it has no return, and it’s actually illiquid, and unsafe - and that I reinvest those dollars that aren’t in my home into cash-flowing real estate around the country - and beyond.   ...and that I have substantial RE income such that I don’t need a conventional day job.   The millions of dollars in debt could be paid off - and, in a sense - they really are paid off on my balance sheet since the equity across all the properties easily exceeds the debt balance incurred.   And that renting one’s own home often provides them with better cash flow than owning one’s own home...and and on.   Now, were the two older guys DATING THEMSELVES by telling me to save money, put money in a 401(k), and get a paid-off home? I guess some people would say they’re dating themselves if they’re thinking of dollars as money - back when there was still a gold standard.   But I don’t know that one is dating themselves simply by thinking that way - because there are still a ton of younger people - I’d say the majority - that think that saving and having a retirement account is THE way.   But no one ever got rich saving money… but many acquire wealth by investing it.   By the way, I like to think that I’m still too young to ever say or do something that dates myself.   In fact, I did all the dating of myself back in high school - because you see - I couldn’t get a girlfriend so I HAD to date myself. (Haha!)   See what I did there?   Well, you don’t listen to GRE for the humor - thank goodness.   Yes, when I got my high school diploma at age 17, I still looked like a 13 year-old, so there was no girlfriend, and dating myself was the only option, so..getting back here...   Savers are losers debtors are winners - is more sophisticated than one’s conventional notions of saving and debt.   When you talk about accumulating 50% of your assets in a savings account or CD that has an interest rate that yields you a return that’s one-quarter as much as the rate of inflation - that’s losing.   That’s the “losing” that we’re talking about here.   If you have substantial consumer debt that you have to pay yourself that’s tied to a worthless or depreciating asset - plus you have to pay back that debt yourself - and tenants aren’t doing it for you - THAT’S losing.   When Kiyosaki says, “Savers Are Losers, Debtors Are Winners”, he’s talking about how...   When he borrows money from the bank to buy a rental property, he effectively borrows money that SAVERS have first placed into the bank. Now he just arbitraged the savers low-yield dollar into his high-yield dollar.   Then on top of that, he gets tenants to pay the bank back over a period of time. And he gets the property.   That’s what I do.   “Savers are losers” criticizes the practice of saving as a way of accumulating wealth.   You can store your liquidity in something other than a savings account.   Now, with millions in good debt tied to cash-flowing real estate, why would I want to get involved with paying that down? I would only lose leverage.   Tenants and inflation are paying that debt down for me - that’s pretty great - but I need to pay attention to that because tenants paying down my debt for me actually means that it s-l-o-w-l-y makes me lose leverage too. Think about that.   Now, with inflation, this amplifies the “Savers are losers and debtors are winners” mantra.   Look, think of it this way.   Think about your best friend - a friend so good, that they would hypothetically loan you money. Which is actually the best way to lose a friend fast.     But let’s just say you borrow $10K from this great friend of yours.   Now you’re a debtor. Your best friend is the lender and you are the borrower.   This friend of yours is so nice and so trustworthy of you - and so gullible and “not inflation conscious” as well - that they tell you that you can pay them back the $10,000 that you borrowed in one lump sum 30 years from now, interest-free.   30 years from today, in the year 2048 / 2049.   Sticking with the hypothetical here, you’re a person of your word and you pay them back their $10,000 thirty years from now, just like they asked.   At a 4% inflation rate over those three decades, their $10,000 just had its purchasing power diminished to $3,080.   NOW, can you see how savers are losers and debtors are winners?   Remember, you are taking out interest-free loans when you buy cash-flowing real estate. How is it interest-free - because your tenant pays the interest. That’s why it’s interest-free to you.   Of course, they’re also paying down your principal on top of that - and some cash flow on top of that yet - so it’s a deal that’s substantially better for you than when you struck the deal with your best friend and you had the benefit of using their $10K for thirty years.   Leveraged, cash-flowing real estate makes this even better for you. It’s better than the deal with your best friend. (Or former best friend now that you borrowed money from him.)   Inflation's winners are any form of debtor, particularly governments. The losers are those with cash holdings, bonds, pension savings and welfare claimants.   Most debtors are actually unintentional winners. Most debtors don’t understand this inflation- profiting benefit that makes them winners.   That’s why I practice equity harvesting from my home and other properties. I make equity transfers, which do, in fact, position me for more leverage and debt - at the same time it boosts my cash flow.   This reinforces the velocity of money concept too. I’m practicing keeping my money moving - that high velocity of money - like we’re supposed to keep.   Realize that in your home - your primary residence - when you pay down principal - you convert your cash to your equity monthly.   When you convert your cash into equity that way, you’ve just transitioned from a higher use dollar of yours - because it had been liquid - into a lower use dollar of yours - because not it’s illiquid - it’s trapped as equity.   A dollar is not a dollar is not a dollar. Each dollar in the asset column of your net worth statement could have a different value, for that very reason.   Now in a rental, consider that your TENANTS’ cash flow becomes your equity. That’s a substantially better deal.   Equity that accumulates in a home is much like money sitting in a ceramic piggy bank on your bookshelf, gradually being eaten away by inflation.   Instead, keep it moving. Keep that velocity. Don’t let it get lazy.   Lazy money is like a lazy employee. If you’re someone’s boss and you’ve got a lazy employee, why would you tolerate their late show-ups and two-hour lunch breaks?   You wouldn’t tolerate lazy money just the same way you wouldn’t tolerate a lazy employee.   So, it’s about repositioning dead money, underperforming money.   You sure wouldn’t keep paying a DEAD employee!   If you put $20K down into your rental SFH years ago, but now you have $50K equity in it, you have to ask if you would re-buy it with $50K of equity in it.   You probably wouldn’t! If you don’t hold up your leverage ratio, then your RE ROI will soon approach that of a government bond! Your ROE drops, drops, drops over time.   In this context, savers are losers. Debtors are winners.   So… I probably got the two older guys at Jeff’s party thinking differently if nothing else.   But most people would really rather be affirmed rather than informed.   Information challenges people. Affirmation comforts people.   Some people just want to hear whatever fuels their confirmation bias. Whatever fuels their confirmation bias is the easiest thing to hear.   Well, now inflation is on the uptick - that’s a long-term positive trend for leveraged real estate investors.   But interest rates are also on the uptick, meaning that things aren’t QUITE as good for debtors.   In fact, the last time that macroeconomist Richard Duncan was here on the show, he told us why there’s a positive correlation: higher inflation means higher interest rates.   So let’s talk more about what higher interest rates mean to your future as a real estate investor - or even as a homeowner. That’s next. You’re listening to Get Rich Education.   Welcome back to Get Rich Education.   Mortgage interest rates are now about 1% higher than they were one year ago at this time.   In fact, there have been 8 quarter-point increases over the last three years.   Now, among other things, these rate increases have proven to me that the future rate increases expected really are going to happen.   In fact, it’s not what I think, it’s what the Fed has come out and SAID. They plan to raise rates one more time here at the end of THIS year, and 3 more times next year. Likely a quarter of a point each time.   So therefore - we don’t have to try to anticipate the future, at least, this very open Fed is TELLING us just what they plan on. They didn’t always do that.   So rates could very well be 1% higher by this time next year.   Keeping some historical perspective, stay mindful that over the nearly 50 years that Freddie Mac has tracked rates, which is since 1971, 30-year loans have seen an average of a 7.7% mortgage interest rate, which might be more like 8.7% for a rental property.     Today, you can still get a primary residence loan for about 5 and an income property loan at about 6.   When rates are rising, investors have a sense of urgency to act and close on deals - and we expect to be in a rising rate environment for quite a while.   That’s why I have a sense of urgency to act now.   It’s when rates fall that investors feel the opposite way - they get a sense of complacency - not urgency - but complacency - because they feel like if they wait a few months, rates are going to be lower.   What else do higher interest rates mean?   Well, this matters...as you know how I’m always telling you that you should regularly think about how your tenant - or your prospective tenant - is thinking.   Housing prices rose starting in 2010 or 2011. Now, interest rates have joined in, beginning their rise in 2016 / 2017.   Of course, that begins the crimp the cash flow for new buys that you make.   Well, that crimps affordability for others. This hurts the homebuyer and especially the aspiring first time home buyer.   When renters cannot get into buy something - with this worse affordability - this forces them to stay in renter the pool.   Therefore, that increases the occupancy rate and often increases the rental amount that you can charge as well.   Higher interest rates increase the demand for rent.   So when mortgage interest rates go up, rents go up, although that’s not an immediate cause-and-effect. There is some substantial lag time there - a lag time until rents increase.   And housing prices have risen more than wages as well, meaning that fewer and fewer people can form down payments to BUY a house.   So, that’s some of the good news for real estate investors with rising rates.   How about more bad news with rising rates - there are some metro markets where higher real estate prices and higher interest rates have made cash flow with a 20% down payment nearly impossible...where those numbers worked five years ago or even 2-3 years ago.   The best metro markets to invest in change over time. That’s why we recently added two markets at GREturnkey.com - the Tampa Bay market and the northwestern Indiana market - which is actually the eastern fringe of Chicagoland.   Returns have shrunk in some places. Let me ask you, would you invest if you knew you were going to get, say a 4% CCR on a property or would you not?   If you would, you might figure that with the Five Ways Real Estate Pays You, then maybe you still can’t make a better total passive return anywhere than with 1 to 4-unit income property.   If appreciation on your income property slows down to, say 4%, well, at 5:1 leverage, that’s 20% leveraged appreciation.   Plus your 4% CCR.   Plus your principal paydown yield that the tenant makes for you as another 4%.   Plus 5% from tax advantages.   Plus just 3% from inflation-profiting. That would still be a 36% total rate of return for you when you add up all 5 profit centers.   So, we’re TALKING about investing in today’s higher interest rate environment.   That is, your perception and your reality as an investor.   Let’s talk about that customer of yours’ perception and reality in an arena of higher prices and higher interest rates.   Yes, that customer of yours, that tenant that faithfully shows up inside your brick-and-mortar business every day - called a rental unit - and helps make those “up to” Five Ways possible for you.   This 2-minute clip from a recent CNBC broadcast - is about what society thinks about renting their home versus owning their home. It’s Diana Olick, and then a couple male CNBC commentators comment at the end.   [2-minute CNBC video]   So that’s evidence that more people think it’s wiser to rent their home than buy their home as - you heard it there - the monthly cost of homeownership has risen 14% in the last year - but rents have only gone up 4% in the last year.   What a comment from CNBC’s Diana Olick there - suggesting that it’s increasingly wise to be a renter of your own home because it’s less costly than owning your own home - and then reinvest that difference in income properties that you rent to others.   Dang - Diana really gets it - that might be the smartest comment I’ve ever heard on that show...and I don’t often give a shout out to CNBC.   That was just really interesting wording there with the word “investment” - there in that clip - about how people feel that renting their own home is a better INVESTMENT than buying their own home.   This is good news for us real estate investors that want lots of renters and rental demand.   Now, just last week in the Wall Street Journal, an article was published titled:   Big Jump in Americans Saying Renting Is Cheaper Than Owning Then the subtitle reads: Freddie Mac data shows 78% of people now say that renting is more affordable than owning   I never would have thought that THAT many people would say this. But, here’s what the article says:   More than three-quarters of Americans now view renting as more affordable than owning a home, the latest sign that rising mortgage rates and higher home prices will continue to pressure home sales.   Some 78% of people now say that renting is more affordable than owning, according to survey data released Tuesday by mortgage company Freddie Mac . That is up 11 percentage points from only six months ago. (So, translation is that six months ago, 67% of people felt that renting was more affordable than owning, now, remarkably, 78% say this.) Back to the article: The survey also indicates that demand for for-sale housing could remain soft in the coming months. Some 58% of renters now say they don’t currently have plans to buy a home—up from 54% in February, according to Freddie Mac. Demand for rentals swelled after the recession, as millions of families lost their homes to foreclosure and tight credit made it difficult for young people to buy homes. Rents rose by double-digit percentages in many cities and the share of families who couldn’t afford their rent swelled to record highs. Meanwhile home prices plummeted and, for those who could qualify for mortgages, it was a great time to buy. But this year, that dynamic has reversed. Rent growth has slowed in line with inflation in the last few quarters, as new rental supply hits a three-decade high. At the same time, home prices continue to grow significantly faster than incomes and inflation and mortgage rates have risen nearly a percentage point from the beginning of this year. That has made it significantly more expensive to buy a home. David Brickman, president of Freddie Mac and the head of its multifamily division, cautioned that renting remains unaffordable for many families. But buying lately has become even more unaffordable. “It’s the worst of both worlds,” Mr. Brickman said. Two-thirds of renters say they have had difficulty affording their rent at some point in the past two years, according to the Freddie survey. Nearly nine in 10 renters in what Freddie deems “essential” fields like health care and education say they have had significant struggles to pay rent during the past two years. Mr. Brickman cautioned - and again Mr. Brickman is the President of Freddie Mac  and head of its multifamily division - he cautioned that if more people decide to continue renting that could eventually reverse the current dynamic and make rents once again begin to rise quickly. “I do worry that it may be short-lived, that it’s some reaction to rising rates, but the underlying demographic trends are not slowing at all,” he said. That’s the end of the Wall Street Journal article published just last week, so an interesting article there.   Remember that national home ownership rates peaked in 2004 at 69%, and bottomed out at 63% in 2015. In 2018, they are only slightly above that low, at 64%.   So, that should get you caught up on the state of the real estate market from the perspective of higher prices, higher interest rates, a little bit higher inflation...but still not all that high, and more people desiring to rent from you than to own their own home.   You’re going to live in an ever-shifting real estate market throughout your life, of course, and I want to remind you of a real positive with all this.   And it has to do with your ROTI - your Return On Time Invested with real estate.   Your ROTI goes up throughout life! It gradually increases as you’re constantly teaching yourself lessons - and you’re getting the lessons faster in your life… the more that you act.   Ten years ago, people learned that buying real estate for speculative capital gains can backfire badly.   Well, then you’re going to get a better Return On Time Invested going forward because you’ll forever tell yourself, “I wouldn’t invest solely for appreciation again.”   At some point, your set of experiences and accumulation of time in real estate will probably tell you, “I wouldn’t self-manage again.”   Maybe you’ll learn, “I wouldn’t hire a Property Management company like that ever again because I can see that they makes extraneous work for themselves in my property & my maintenance costs rack up needlessly.”   Maybe your “Return On Time Invested” will increase as you learn that using 5% of your gross rents as a long-term maintenance expense number is too low…   ...or you wouldn’t use a home inspector that’s biased like that and doesn’t want to beat up on the provider or seller enough.”   Your ROTI increases throughout your investor life - and that’s one rate of return...that’s really...pretty...predictable.   I’ve got to tell you that I really appreciate that you value listening to me every week. You’re listening to someone that’s doing it - that’s actively investing in real estate - and sometimes right alongside you.   Learn from somebody that's doing it.   Who do you get your real estate investing information and mindset from? Your parents, or a traditional educator, or someone that's actually been there?   I had a lower middle class upbringing in Appalachia, USA. I do not own an economics degree, no MBA, no business degree at all - nor does my family. I have no RE or entrepreneurship in my family background either. My degree is a Bachelor’s in Geography and Regional Planning.   More importantly, I’m a 16-year investor and spent five of those self-managing my property (uhhh...time that I’ll never get back), and then I realized that the real $ are made by understanding economic concepts specifically applied to investment RE - that’s the major wealth producer.   It’s not replying to tenant requests and fixing broken stuff. The ROTI is simply too low.   And I’m happy to say that I will be back on Forbes RE Council in 2019 - next year - and continuing to write articles for Forbes.   Don’t forget to turn your clocks back one hour this weekend. Gosh, Daylight Saving Time is some nonsense.   Even the name is offensive itself - they named it Daylight Saving Time - but in the history of the world, this has never saved one second of daylight.   It needs to be called what it is - it’s Daylight Shifting Time - daylight is only shifted, not saved.   Nothing has been saved, but our time has been wasted. It gets wasted twice a year.   Maybe the only good news about DST this year is that it means we’ll all have one more hour to spend this weekend at the New Orleans Investment Conference in New Orleans, Louisiana.   Yes, in a few days I’m leaving one great American city - Anchorage to go to another one, New Orleans.   I hope to see you there for a little Meet & Greet both this coming Friday AND this coming Sunday at 11AM each morning at the AgroNosotros booth, Booth #111.   It’s pretty likely that I’ll lift weights or go running outdoors a couple mornings while I’m there there so maybe you can join me there as well.   If you’re listening to the podcast version of Get Rich Education, be sure to SUBSCRIBE on your podcatching device.   By touching the “Subscribe” button, that’s how you will be sure to never miss any episodes. I would be grateful.   I’m your host Keith Weinhold. See you in New Orleans. Don’t Quit Your Daydream.

The Mermaid Podcast
“Siren” Season 2 Sneak Peek at New York Comic Con

The Mermaid Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 8, 2018 27:06


Laura von Holt went behind the scenes of the 2018 New York Comic Con for a special interview with the cast and producers of SIREN, the mermaid show on FREEFORM. Season 2 of Siren will premiere on January 24, 2019, and now we have more details...including that there will definitely be MORE MERMAIDS!!! Laura von Holt interviewed the cast, Eline Powell (Ryn), Alex Roe (Ben) and Fola Evans Akingbola (Maddie), and producers Eric Wald and Emily Whitesell. This is a recording from a live roundtable interview, so you’ll hear lots of our questions, plus those of other journalists. Topics discussed: What we will see in Season 2 What happens with the relationship between Ben, Maddie & Ryn How Ryn adjusts to Bristol Cove New characters that will be introduced What inspires the world/society of mermaids How Eline Powell creates her mermaid character The hierarchy and underwater society of the mermaids Movies that inspired the writers of Siren Why a mermaid a mermaid show is important now A new fan contest coming on October 18th! Details at: https://freeform.go.com/sirencontest/ Watch the exclusive sneak peek for Siren Season 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3BOp8n73uM Shoutout to friend of the podcast and terrific writer, Adam Lance Garcia.adamlancegarcia.com Congratulations to our Instagram fan, Christina Lee Johnson on the launch of her mermaid comic, Bubbleina The Series.   Did you like this episode? Got a question or comment? Leave a review or email us at podcast@cinderly.com. Go to MermaidPodcast.com for more mermaid history and facts. Follow us on Instagram @mermaidpodcast and Facebook. Sign up for our mailing list to get more behind the scenes bonuses and a heads up when we get new episodes. The Unicorn Cookbook is a hit! Get these easy to bake rainbow classics at UnicornCookbook.com! Do you have a dream in your heart that you’d like to make real? If you’re in the New York area and would be interested in a weekend intensive that covers creativity and personal branding, join us for “Don’t Quit Your DayDream!” We also have an exciting extended program to transform your life and business coming in the fall. Check it out at fairybossmother.com.

The Mermaid Podcast
The Mermaid and Mrs. Hancock with Imogen Hermes Gowar

The Mermaid Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 10, 2018 54:06


We’re back with more mermaid authors and mermaid history! Laura von Holt interviewed the lovely and talented Imogen Hermes Gowar, the author of a new book titled The Mermaid and Mrs. Hancock. The Mermaid and Mrs Hancock is a gorgeous historical novel, set in 1780s London, about a merchant named Jonah Hancock who finds that, while on a trading voyage to the Far East, the captain of his ship has sold his vessel, and instead of bringing back cargo, he has brought him a mermaid artifact. To make back his fortune, Jonah must display this brown, wizened mermaid for all of London, which leads him into the circle of one of London’s most celebrated courtesans, Angelica Neal. I don’t want to spoil anything for you, but there are plenty of mermaids, both dead and living in this book, and it’s wonderful. This story is inspired by a mermaid specimen at the British Museum, where Imogen Hermes Gowar used to work, and if you listened to our interview with mermaid historian Sarah Peverley (Season 2, Episode 2), you will remember our conversation about these types of popular mermaid artifacts that were collected and displayed in Britain. The Mermaid and Mrs Hancock is shortlisted for the Women’s Prize in Fiction. If you like Harlots on Hulu, Freeform’s Siren and Jane Austen, then you will love this book. At the end of the interview, host Laura von Holt comes up with a slogan that we all need tatted on our bodies:  If you can believe in mermaids, you can believe in yourself! Topics discussed: Harlots on Hulu courtesans and sex workers in 18th century London 18th century life in London mermaid history “feejee mermaids” mermaid exhibits in The British Museum Ningyo, Japanese water sprites The Mermaid and Mrs. Hancock by Imogen Hermes Gowar Mermaid Podcast’s interview with Sarah Peverley The Covent Garden Ladies by Hallie Rubenhold The Gloaming by Kirsty Logan Surface Breaks by Louise O’Neill The Pisces by Melissa Broder Blackfish, the documentary believing in mermaids coastal stories of mermaids   Important Links: Go to MermaidPodcast.com for bonus images and links from this episode. Follow us on Instagram @mermaidpodcast and Facebook. Sign up for our mailing list to get more behind the scenes bonuses and a heads up when we get new episodes. Got a comment or question? Email us at podcast@cinderly.com Get Cinderly’s Easy to Bake Unicorn Cookbook at unicorncookbook.com. Check out more women with books on the Women with Books podcast, hosted by Lindsay Emory. WomenWithBooks.com This is episode is sponsored by Mermaid Magic. Get 20% off biodegradable glitter and mermaid scales with PODCAST20 at ttps://getmermaidmagic.com/discount/PODCAST20. If you would like to sponsor an episode of the Mermaid Podcast, email us at podcast@cinderly.com and we will be happy to hook you up! Calling all Creative Entrepreneurs! If you’re in the New York area and would be interested in a weekend intensive that covers creativity and personal branding, join us for “Don’t Quit Your DayDream!” We also have an exciting extended program to transform your life and business coming in the fall. Check it out at fairybossmother.com.

The Mermaid Podcast
MINISODE: Why It's Okay To Love Mermaids

The Mermaid Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 4, 2018 5:02


We’re trying something new and tackling Listener FAQ’s in this minisode! Do people make fun of you for loving mermaids? Do you feel alone in loving the things that you love? Host Laura von Holt has gotten a lot of fan-mail from fellow mermaid-lovers who feel persecuted for loving mermaids, and she is here with an important PSA: It’s okay to love what you love! Did you like this episode? Got a question or comment? Leave a review or email us at podcast@cinderly.com. Go to MermaidPodcast.com for more mermaid history and facts. Follow us on Instagram @mermaidpodcast and Facebook. Sign up for our mailing list to get more behind the scenes bonuses and a heads up when we get new episodes. Do you have a dream in your heart that you’d like to make real? If you’re in the New York area and would be interested in a weekend intensive that covers creativity and personal branding, join us for “Don’t Quit Your DayDream!” We also have an exciting extended program to transform your life and business coming in the fall. Check it out at fairybossmother.com.

The Mermaid Podcast
The Little Mermaid Movie

The Mermaid Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 17, 2018 40:41


There is a new mermaid movie out TODAY! And we interviewed the cast! “The Little Mermaid,” starring Poppy Drayton ("Downtown Abbey"), and William Moseley (E!’s “The Royals”) will be exclusively releasing the film at AMC Theatres throughout the USA beginning August 17, 2018 including Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, Boston & Miami. The story begins by retelling the classic Hans Christian Andersen story, but instead of meeting a tragic end as seafoam, the Little Mermaid is bound to an evil wizard who has trapped her soul in exchange for the chance to win the love of the prince. (BTW, none of this is spoiler-y, this all happens in the first minute of the movie.) The movie’s plot centers around a young reporter named Cam (played by William Moseley) who travels with his niece down to Mississippi to investigate a “miracle mermaid elixir” advertised by a traveling circus. There they encounter a beautiful and enchanting creature whom they believe to be the real little mermaid (played by Poppy Drayton).  Host Laura von Holt was lucky to interview the two leads, Poppy Drayton and William Moseley, joined by writer/director Blake Harris. A note on the audio: Little bit of trouble on Skype connection, so a couple of times Poppy’s voice drops out. Let’s just pretend it’s because she’s a mermaid and she had to shout from underwater. Topics covered: What it means to have the heart of a mermaid worldbuilding and creating a unique mermaid mythology training to film mermaid scenes retelling of fairytales healing power of mermaids mermaid’s magic powers transformative power of love challenges of filming mermaid scenes and the million dollar question: Do you believe in mermaids? Find information about the film and where it’s playing at: http://thelittlemermaid.tv/ Important Links: Go to MermaidPodcast.com for bonus images and links from this episode. Follow us on Instagram @mermaidpodcast and Facebook. Sign up for our mailing list to get more behind the scenes bonuses and a heads up when we get new episodes. Pre-order Cinderly’s Easy Bake Unicorn Cookbook at unicorncookbook.com. This is episode is sponsored by Mermaid Magic. Get 20% off biodegradable glitter and mermaid scales with PODCAST20 at ttps://getmermaidmagic.com/discount/PODCAST20. If you would like to sponsor an episode of the Mermaid Podcast, email us at podcast@cinderly.com and we will be happy to hook you up! Calling all Creative Entrepreneurs! If you’re in the New York area and would be interested in a weekend intensive that covers creativity and personal branding, join us for “Don’t Quit Your DayDream!” We also have an exciting extended program to transform your life and business coming in the fall. Check it out at fairybossmother.com.

The Mermaid Podcast
Mermaids Through the Ages: Jesus, Queens and Mummies

The Mermaid Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 16, 2018 61:30


You asked for more mermaid history, so we tracked down the queen of mermaid historians! Yes, that is a real job, and we are pretty jealous that it’s not our job! Sarah Peverley is a medievalist, cultural historian, and BBC Radio 3 New Generation Thinker. She’s also the author of two forthcoming books, The Mermaid’s Tale: A Cultural History of Mermaids. & Mermaids of the British Isles.  Sarah has an amazing amount of knowledge, and we talked about everything from early interactions with mermaids to the mermaid’s role in Christianity to circuses who travelled with mummified mermaids. Get ready, mer-friends, you are about to learn a lot! In this episode, we talk about:   Mermaids of the British Isles Cultural History of Mermaids   Water deities   The Little Mermaid   mermaids at the royal wedding of Meghan Markle & Prince Harry mermaids in early Christianity a map Sarah is making of mermaid sites and sightings in the UK The Rudson Villa Venus Mosaic difference between meerwifs & mermaids & sirens how mermaids are perceived in different historical periods, how mermaids were used to explain Christ’s divinity Melusine, the water fairy and her aristocratic descendants Mermaids as metaphor for anxieties about women Mermaids role in the rise and fall of Mary, Queen of Scots The book The Mermaid & Mrs. Hancock Samuel Eades mummified mermaids & “feejee mermaids” Scientific debates about the validity of mermaids the mermaid Samuel Fallour claimed to have kept alive on the island of Ambon Historical interactions between humans & mermaids Jimmu Tenno, Japan’s first emperor who was said to be descended from a mermaid Mermaids as they appear in Beowulf, the Norman conquest, monasteries, medieval churches, medieval mystery plays, and The White Queen! Important Links: Go to MermaidPodcast.com for bonus images and links from this episode. Follow us on Instagram @mermaidpodcast and Facebook. Sign up for our mailing list to get more behind the scenes bonuses and a heads up when we get new episodes. Get Cinderly’s Easy Bake Unicorn Cookbook at cinderly.com/cookbook This is episode is sponsored by Mermaid Magic. Get 20% off biodegradable glitter and mermaid scales with PODCAST20 at ttps://getmermaidmagic.com/discount/PODCAST20. If you would like to sponsor an episode of The Mermaid Podcast, email us at podcast@cinderly.com and we will be happy to hook you up! Calling all Creative Entrepreneurs! If you’re in the New York area and would be interested in a weekend intensive that covers creativity and personal branding, join us for “Don’t Quit Your DayDream!” We also have an exciting extended program to transform your life and business coming in the fall. Check it out at fairybossmother.com.

The Mermaid Podcast
S2 E1: Mermaid Vicki, A Legendary Siren at Age 78

The Mermaid Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 2, 2018 64:04


We are back with Season 2!  You asked for more mermaid stories and mermaid legends, so that is what we are bringing to you! Mermaid historians, mermaid legends, mermaid books and mermaid authors!  Of course, we will also be introducing you to real mermaids from time to time, but we’ll be focusing most on mermaid stories. In this episode, we come full circle and also go back to the beginning. You may remember that in the first two episodes of Season 1, host Laura von Holt told you all about her time at mermaid camp at the world famous Weeki Wachee Springs! If you haven’t listened to those episodes yet, you should! While Laura was at mermaid camp last year, she became very enamored of Vicki Smith, a legendary siren who still performs at Weeki Wachee at age 78. When she returned to mermaid camp in 2018, she was lucky enough to be paired with Vicki, as well as her mermaid friend, Alison (who you met in S1 E1). In 2017, Vicki celebrated her 60th anniversary of swimming at Weeki Wachee. Vicki performed as a Weeki Wachee mermaid from 1957-1961, beginning just days after her high school graduation. Now, she is part of the elite group of “Legendary Sirens” women in their 50s, 60s and 70s  who perform monthly at Weeki Wachee Springs. Vicki invited Laura and Alison back to her home to watch the sunset and drink wine on her deck overlooking the crystal clear Weeki Wachee River. Vicki showed them her personal scrapbook and took them through her many memories of performing at Weeki Wachee in the 1950s and 60s. For over 70 years, Weeki Wachee mermaids have trained each other in underwater ballet using underwater air hoses so they can perform dozens of feet underwater. It’s a unique tradition handed down from woman to woman, and a trained eye can see the differences from each teacher & when they began their instruction. Vicki allowed Laura to record her while we looked through the scrapbook, drank wine, and listened to the radio. She talked about about the changes she’s seen in the park, the show, and what it’s like to perform at age 17 and age 78. It’s a long interview, kind of like an oral history, but well worth your time. Some of the mermaids that Vicki swam with are still with us, and some are now gone. But if you settle in with this episode, you’ll feel like you are right there, suspended in time, swimming right along with the Legendary Sirens of Weeki Wachee. Important Links: Go to MermaidPodcast.com for bonus photos and videos from this episode. Follow us on Instagram @mermaidpodcast and Facebook. Sign up for our mailing list to get more behind the scenes bonuses and a heads up when we get new episodes. This is episode is sponsored by Mermaid Magic. Get 20% off biodegradable glitter and mermaid scales + FREE shipping with PODCAST20 at https://getmermaidmagic.com/discount/PODCAST20. If you would like to sponsor an episode of the Mermaid Podcast, email us at podcast@cinderly.com and we will be happy to hook you up! Calling all Creative Entrepreneurs! If you’re in the New York area and would be interested in a weekend intensive that covers creativity and personal branding, join us for “Don’t Quit Your DayDream!” We also have an exciting extended program to transform your life and business coming in the fall. Check it out at fairybossmother.com.

GardenFork Radio - DIY, Gardening, Cooking, How to
No Tomato Talk! + Talk about Podcasts We Like

GardenFork Radio - DIY, Gardening, Cooking, How to

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 4, 2018 34:15


Rick and Eric talk about  how to properly dispose of a US flag, a new private DNS service, foghorns, and some podcasts we like. Check out the GardenFork Amazon Shop: http://amazon.com/shop/gardenfork Get our email newsletter, sign up: http://gardenfork.tv/news How to dispose of a flag https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2014/09/08/retiring-worn-out-american-flags/ Cloudflare private DNS https://gizmodo.com/how-to-speed-up-your-internet-and-protect-your-privacy-1824256587 Podcasts we like slate Slow Burn: A Podcast About Watergate https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/slow-burn-a-podcast-about-watergate/id1315040130?mt=2 DQYD Don’t Quit Your Daydream https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/dont-quit-your-daydream/id1098067419?mt=2 Lifehacker https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-upgrade-by-lifehacker/id508117781?mt=2 Literature and History https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/literature-and-history/id1083737218?mt=2 Jefferson Hour Tomatoes https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-thomas-jefferson-hour/id206783908?mt=2 Support GardenFork, become a monthly supporter on Patreon, via PayPal. Watch us on YouTube: www.youtube.com/gardenfork GardenFork’s Facebook Discussion group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1692616594342396/ Visit our website, http://gardenfork.tv

Fam Talk
Fam Talk 007 Don't Quit Your Daydream ft. Julian

Fam Talk

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 17, 2018 50:00


Kenesha and Julian talk careers, friendship, the privilege of education, and much more. Join the conversation! --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/famtalk/support

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Your Handmade Business
Episode 13: Do Quit Your Daydream

Your Handmade Business

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 10, 2017 15:40


Isaac addresses the idea that there’s one path to success as a handmade business, encourages taking action on your dreams, and interviews Nicole Stevenson from Dear Handmade Life about her own unique journey as a maker, artist, and community organizer.

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WCF Sunday Services
Don't Quit Your Daydream

WCF Sunday Services

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 6, 2017 45:52


Don't Quit Your Daydream by Windsor Christian Fellowship

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Evansville Podcast
Don't Quit Your Daydream

Evansville Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 10, 2017 44:33


Nathan Boerner, Farrin Davis, and Drew Broadbent talk with us about their podcast, Don't Quit Your Daydream.  We discuss how they met, how they got started podcasting, what their favorite episode was so far (Episode 25?!?), where they got the idea for good cop/bad cop, editing, being consistent on releasing episodes, getting guests to cry, and having similar guests as other shows in the area.  Are you one of the Don't Quit Your Daydreamers? #drewnation  https://dqydpodcast.com     Holy Grail Records is celebrating Record Store Day at River City Mercantile on Saturday, April 22nd. From 7 am – 7 pm, there will be an expanded inventory, including new releases, rare finds, gently used records, music from regionally-based acts, as well as cassettes, 7- inches, 45s, and CDs. https://www.facebook.com/holygrailevv/   And check out The Brewer's View! https://thebrewersview.com  

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Motherhood Radio - Dr Christina Hibbert
Motherhood- Don't Quit Your Daydream!

Motherhood Radio - Dr Christina Hibbert

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 14, 2016 50:14


As moms it's easy to let our own dreams go, as we focus on loving, giving, serving, and caring for our families. We may feel guilty following our dreams, or we may feel like it simply isn't possible. I'm here to tell you the truth: Not only is it possible, but when we let ourselves dream, and work toward those dreams, we give our children and families permission and a model for how to do the same. My guest, Dani Smith (doTERRA Blue Diamond Leader), and I are discussing the "how-to's" of going for your daydreams--how to let yourself dream, creatively find ways to go for it, and feel like an even better mom as a result! For more, visit my post, "Create the Life You Desire," http://www.drchristinahibbert.com/create-the-life-you-desire-part-1-whats-keeping-you-stuck-how-to-get-unstuck/ and be sure to join my FREE "Motherhood Essentials" webinar series http://www.drchristinahibbert.com/motherhood-essentials/motherhood-essentials-free-webinar-series/ to expand your family health, wellness, and happiness toolbox!

CRAFTCAST
Don't Quit Your DayDream PLEASE!

CRAFTCAST

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 10, 2014 2:16


Yes, you read right. DAY DREAMS are messages right from the heart. We all have them. They’re the ideas and pursuits we should be doing but have let other stuff get in the way. I know the stuff that gets in the way. Things like not enough MONEY or not enough TIME or what if it doesn’t WORK or I don’t know HOW. UGH Just taking that first step can be so confusing and scary that it stops us right there. But We keep thinking about those dreams and saying “ Someday" I’ve been there. I started CRAFTCAST.com 10 years ago as a simple little podcast. I had NO idea about computers or the internet, but I knew I wanted to connect with other artists and it seemed possible using computer tools. So here’s a way you can start taking action right now, and bring that DAY DREAM to reality. Click HERE