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    Food Body Essentials To Reverse Autoimmune Disease

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    Have you been feeling run down, exhausted, and just plain sick and tired? If so, you're not alone. Millions of women struggle with autoimmune diseases, and the numbers are only rising. But there is hope!   In this episode of The Hormone Prescription Podcast, Dr. Kyrin Dunston welcomes Margaret Floyd Barry to share her journey with autoimmune disease and how she was able to reverse it using the power of food and nutrition. She also provides listeners with practical tips and strategies that they can use to start feeling better right away.   Margaret Floyd Barry is a writer and real food advocate whos been in the pursuit of the most nutritious and delicious way of eating for the better part of her adult life.   Having seen family members suffer the devastating effects of chronic illness from a young age, Margaret has long had the desire to help others find a better way back to optimal health and well-being. Through years of experience working with the most complex client cases, including reversing her own autoimmune condition, Margaret has established a powerful system for restoring health by addressing the root cause of illness.   Today, Margaret teaches fellow practitioners the same proven system she uses to get her clients life-changing results through Restorative Wellness Solutions - a two-year comprehensive functional nutrition certification program for qualified health professionals. With hundreds of alumni around the world, Margaret and the Restorative Wellness Solutions team are actively working to change the way health is delivered. Margaret also runs Eat Naked Kitchen, a thriving private practice that supports clients throughout North America and Europe, and is the author of Eat Naked: Unprocessed, Unpolluted and Undressed Eating for a Healthier, Sexier You and The Naked Foods Cookbook.   In this episode, you'll learn: What autoimmune disease is and how it affects the body The role that food plays in reversing autoimmune disease Which foods to eat (and avoid) to heal your gut and reduce inflammation How to create a personalized healing plan that works for you   If you're ready to start feeling your best, tune in now!   (00:00): It was Maya Angelou who said, Do the best you can until you know better then when you know better, do better. And Oprah famously quoted her as saying, When you know better, do better. You're gonna know some things after this podcast and then you can do better. Stay tuned to learn more.   (00:19): So the big question is, how do women over 40 like us keep weight off, have great energy, balance our hormones in our moods, feel sexy and confident, and master midlife? If you're like most of us, you are not getting the answers you need and remain confused and pretty hopeless to ever feel like yourself Again. As an ob gyn, I had to discover for myself the truth about what creates a rock solid metabolism, lasting weight loss, and supercharged energy after 40, in order to lose a hundred pounds and fix my fatigue. Now I'm on a mission. This podcast is designed to share the natural tools you need for impactful results and to give you clarity on the answers to your midlife metabolism challenges. Join me for tangible, natural strategies to crush the hormone imbalances you are facing and help you get unstuck from the sidelines of life. My name is Dr. Kyrin Dunston. Welcome to the Hormone Prescription Podcast.   (01:12): Hi everybody. Welcome back to another episode of The Hormone Prescription with Dr. Kyrin. Thank you so much for joining me today. We have a lovely guest you're gonna love. I know I say that about all my guests because I love them all. Literally they're just amazing people who are passionate and brilliant, and Margaret is no exception and she does so much work to help women. She has a powerful story as to why she's so passionate about autoimmune disease and the nutritional component and reversing it. So you'll definitely wanna hear that she is going to give you a perspective that you probably haven't had yet and we, we really get into some detailed things. So I definitely encourage you to be in a place where you can take notes cuz you're gonna wanna do that. She we're, she's gonna share with you why we are essentially complicated donuts.   (02:11): I know right now you're going what? But she's gonna talk to you about that if you've been wondering, well, do I really have to be gluten free and do I need to do it 100%. She's gonna uncover that for you and unpack that. So she's gonna answer a lot of questions that you've got about your health. She's brilliant. She also trains practitioners. She's gonna talk to you about that. She's got some super fun gifts for you. So let me tell you a little bit about her and then we'll get started. Margaret Floyd Barry is a writer and real food advocate who's been on the pursuit of the most nutritious and delicious way of eating for the better part of her adult life. Having seen family members suffer the devastating effects of chronic illness from a young age, Margaret has long had the desire to help others find a better way back to optimal health and wellbeing.   (03:03): Through years of experience working with the most complex quiet cases, including reversing her own autoimmune condition, How would you like to do that? Margaret has established a powerful system for restoring health by addressing the root cause of illness. Today Margaret teaches fellow practitioners the same proven system she uses to get her clients life changing results through restorative wellness solutions. Two year comprehensive functional nutrition certification program for qualified health professionals with hundreds of alumni around the world. Margaret and the Restorative Wellness Solutions team are actively working to change the way health is delivered. Margaret also runs Eat Naked Kitchen, a thriving private practice that supports clients throughout North America and Europe. And she's the author of Eat Naked Unprocessed Ed, and Unjust Eating For a Healthier Sexier You and The Naked Foods Cookbook. Welcome Margaret to the show.   (04:02): Thank you so much. It's great to be here.   (04:05): I'm really excited to have you. For everybody listening, Margaret did an amazing masterclass for some of my women in my virtual program in our nutrition module because she's a nutritional genius and a, a genius in the kitchen. That was fabulous and I wanted to share her with all of you. So she agreed to come onto the podcast and talk about something that she's really passionate about and that is how nutrition and gut health intersect with autoimmune disease. So we're gonna dive into that. But first can you tell everyone, Margaret, as a functional nutritionist, why are you so passionate about autoimmune disease?   (04:52): I had a front row seat, unfortunately to what really doesn't work when it comes to supporting people with autoimmune disease. My mom had very severe both rheumatoid arthritis and lupus that she was diagnosed with when I was in my teens. And she went the full on Western medical model. And in some ways she was a medical miracle. You know, like she, you know, the things that they were able to do to manipulate her immune system were profound. And yet the quality of life that she lived was, it was brutal. I mean, it was one step forward, five steps back, two steps forward, three steps back. I mean, just this slow, excruciating process of degradation. And the side effects from the drugs that were keeping her immune system under control were devastating. I mean, I remember one time she got a hangout and that hangout turned into a a three month hospital stay because it turned into an infection that, you know, her immune system was so suppressed by these drugs.   (06:05): That infection went all the way up her arm and then they couldn't get it under control with antibiotics. And I mean, it was just this huge thing. And that's just one example, but I think a profound one that, you know, something as simple as a hangout was so devastating to her. So that was the, the way that she had to live where, you know, things that none of us even think twice about could be devastating and throw her into the hospital for months. And ultimately she ended up losing her life to side effects from the drugs that were at the same time trying to keep her alive. So it was, you know, at the time I wasn't, I started studying nutrition part way through her journey and very much inspired by her journey. And then I, I just knew there had to be a better way and was really determined that, you know, not on my watch.   (06:55): Like I I, I myself actually was diagnosed with an autoimmune disease when I was pregnant with my second daughter. I was, I was diagnosed with Hashimotos and there is no way that I'm gonna let my two girls watch me slowly degrade and slowly die, essentially the way I watch my mom. And so there's, it's a very personal mission for me, not only for my own health and my own family, but for my clients and equipping other health practitioners with the tools to reverse that autoimmune process. Because here's the thing, there is so much we can do to turn around the autoimmune process through fairly simple tools and you know, we're talking about diet and we're talking about digestion and this, that might not be the whole story, but it's a huge part of the story. So I have been very, very passionate about this and made this a personal mission for years.   (07:51): Wow. That's an incredible story. And I know some people listening can relate, maybe they've have an autoimmune disease or they've had family members and watch them go through it. The immune suppressant drugs that people are put on for autoimmune disease. Cause that's essentially what is done really can wreck havoc when you get something like a hang meal and get an infection. And I love that this became a passion for you to really help people understand. I mean, it's not common in mainstream medicine that you see people heal from or resolve autoimmune diseases or go into complete remission, but in my world, in your world, we see it every day.   (08:37): Exactly.   (08:38): And so I love that you're teaching about this. What made you hone in on diet and nutrition and gut health.   (08:47): If we think back, and I just, I wanna take a little step back to just, I know that you've talked at length about autoimmune process on your podcast before, but I just wanna make sure that we're all on the same page at just the fundamentals of what's happening. Yes. Cause it really sets the stage for why the diet and why digestion are so important. So if we think about our immune system, it is this incredibly powerful system that has basically two jobs. It's jobs are to protect us from foreign invaders like viruses and parasites and bacterial infections. And the other job is internal housekeeping. And as part of these two jobs, it has an incredibly important mechanism of differentiation. So it's able to differentiate between self and other. And then it's also able to differentiate between friend and foe. And in an autoimmune situation, what has happened is that mechanism of differentiation has gone awry.   (09:46): And there's a lot of different reasons why it does that. But the, but what's happened is now the immune system is confusing enemy other for friendly self that it should be protecting and it's attacking self. And as we know, the definition of the disease is based on either the system, the body system, or the tissue that the immune system is attacking. The question is, well let's say from a medical model, it's okay, the immune system is attacking self, Let's slow down the attack, let's shut down the immune system and let's reduce the inflammation. And these are things to help get the individual feeling better. And I'm not gonna say there's not a role for those things. There's, there's certainly a time and a place for both of those things, but that's not actually addressing the most important question, which is why is the immune system making such a bad judgment call basically?   (10:38): And at its core, and this isn't oversimplification, but I think it's a really helpful analogy. If you think about any of us, when we get overtired and we're just taxed all day long, not getting enough sleep, just not never getting an opportunity to rest and recover, we start to make bad decisions, right? , I don't know about you. I will say I make bad decisions and I see that around me. You know, and so the immune system is very similar in that if it's constantly being taxed, it's constantly being engaged, it starts to make bad decisions. And again, there's different mechanisms for this, but fundamentally this is what's going on. So the question is, what is taxing and engaging that immune system such that it is not allowed to rest and cover such making these poor decisions? And this the you know, there, there are lots of different answers to that question, but a huge piece of this puzzle is both the diet and the digestive process because the vast majority of our immune system lives in and around the gut, right?   (11:46): Let's say it's approximately 80% of the immune system meal who has, some people say, 75 I've heard has high 85, let's just agree on, you know, roughly 80%, the vast majority of the immune system lives in and around the gut. What that means is that if we are eating foods that are triggering inflammation, then that is impacting the immune system directly. If there is any dysfunction in the digestion that is impacting immune system directly. And here's what I will tell you is that even if you don't have overtly sort of expressive immune or digestive, excuse me, symptoms, so you're not symptomatic from a digestive perspective, that doesn't mean that your digestion is working properly. You know, I do a lot of testing with my clients and I've had clients with very severe forms of autoimmune where they're very symptomatic and lots of other things. But you know, I remember one client saying to me, Oh, I could, I could digest pebbles, like I could eat rocks. My digestion is so robust. And I thought, okay, well we'll see. And we did some testing and found some pretty significant imbalances that when we addressed those imbalances, they were silent from a symptom perspective, but it was addressing those imbalances that allowed her immune system to recover and the autoimmune to go into remission. So it's a huge and really, really critical piece of the   (13:14): Puzzle. Wow. So much good to what you said, you know, a tired immune system can't differentiate itself from other and makes bad decisions. , I think we can all relate to that, right? With, you know, just all the, we're inundated with information and tasks to do in our daily life and who among us doesn't have decision fatigue and who among us doesn't start becoming overreactive to their environment and not differentiating . Well, really what are the big problems in the small problem? So I, I think that what you're describing with autoimmunity and the gut and immune system, really everybody listening can relate to because it's what we're dealing with in everyday life. And I did wanna highlight what you said about the immune system, 80% around the gut. And I, I don't think most people get that. So I always like to say, right, most people think that their biggest interface with the external environment is their skin, but it's not, it's really your gut. And that's why you're, what I call military is centered around your gut because you're taking environment and putting it inside you   (14:26): . Yes. I mean, this is such a profound moment that we don't recognize as such and we just sort of eat mindlessly and don't think about the actual miracle that is happening. I mean, when we eat, what is happening is the outside world is literally becoming us. We are in essence walking food, right? And people don't realize that. And the interface, you know Yes, exactly. The gut is still the outside of the body. We think of it because it lives on the inside that that, but that, that's the external world. I mean, we we're basically a very complicated donut, right? And the donut hold being our digestive process, you know, and it's this big long tube things go in and then, you know, waste matter comes out. But, and in the process, of course there's all sorts of chemical processes to break down the food into its, you know, nutrient components essentially.   (15:18): And then, you know, in our small intestine we are harvesting those nutrients. They're, they're crossing that incredibly thin lining. I mean, the lining of the small intestine is one cell thick that is so tiny and it's, you know, it's got this, you know, we talk about them as the, the dis the tight junction. So these cells are lined up. I love your analogy of, of the, you know, the soldiers and the, and you know, I describe that as, as your gut soldiers and gut army all the time. You know, think about the lining of the gut made up of these cells that are standing together are sort of side by side really, really tightly and very selectively. These cells will sort of open up those tight junctions and allow nutrients to pass through directly into the bloodstream. That is the moment where the outside world is becoming us.   (16:03): And you know, along those tight junctions, there's all sorts of, let's describe them as soldiers, you know, regulating what goes into the body actually gets, goes directly into the blood and what gets pooped out essentially. So anything interrupting that process is gonna have really significant impact because if the, the lining of the, I mean the entire digestive tract, yes, but let's talk about that moment where the outside world becomes us, which largely happens in the small intestines. Then if there's anything compromising that, and we have irritation, a little bit of a tear, we have what's called leaky gut where those, those tight junctions open up or there's abrasion and inflammation that's getting, that's allowing all sorts of things to get directly into the bloodstream that shouldn't be there. It could be, you could have eaten like the most beautifully digested or grown, organically grown, locally grown , perfectly prepared piece of broccoli for lunch.   (17:00): If that piece of broccoli is not broken down properly and gets into the bloodstream and an improper phase of digestion, your bot your immune system, which is, which is basically patrolling the blood and and patrolling that lining of the intestine to see what's going in, what's coming out there. It doesn't recognize it as broccoli or as the key nutrients that you would get from broccoli. It recognizes it as as garbage or an invader that needs to be addressed mm-hmm. and needs to be gotten rid of. So you're increasing a burden on that housekeeping system and on the inflammatory process which, and it's also of course letting in toxins, letting in pathogens, letting in all sorts of things that were bound. I mean this, some of this stuff is destined for the toilet bowl and now it's getting directly into your bloodstream. That is a huge stress on the immune system.   (17:47): Right. All right, let's, I just wanna step back for a second and then we're gonna dive into more dietary culprits where you're talking about even that great organic, you know, locally farmed broccoli can be a problem. Well first off I wanna say I want a t-shirt that says I am a complicated donut . But then back to being serious, I'm at a yoga retreat and I've been here several times over the past 30 plus years, but I heard something differently this time I've been here. And that is that they actually call your physical body your food body. Oh wow. I've never heard   (18:31): That before. Your food body, body,   (18:33): Your food body. So they don't say physical body in and you know, there's so many ancient yoga, yoga traditions. I also took a course on history of yoga and it is super complicated. So it's no wonder your snippets from one, snippets from another and everybody's confused, but they call it your food body. So move your food body onto the mat .   (18:57): Wow, I've never heard that before. I love it.   (19:00): Right. And so I, that really highlighted for me, we always hear you are what you eat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've heard that since we were kids. But calling it your food body, I challenge everyone listening, start calling your body, your food body. You'll make different food choices because you, it literally is everything. When you look in the mirror, what you are seeing is broccoli, the gluten free mac and cheese I had for lunch. The basal tomato pizza not pizza soup that I had. Right? So that's what you're seeing. But let's dive into dietary culprits cuz that's really one of the first steps. People are like, should I eat gluten? Should I not eat gluten? Should I eat dairy? Should I eat? So what's up with the food we're eating and autoimmunity?   (19:46): I wanna start with gluten cuz you started it, you opened the door and that's,   (19:49): I started   (19:50): . That's an important one. And if you do nothing else, if you, if you're wanting to prevent autoimmune from developing, if you have already received an autoimmune diagnosis, if you have not made any dietary changes yet and you are willing to do only one thing, the one thing really needs to be to the removal of gluten from your diet. And here's why. I mean we could, we could spend hours just talking about gluten in all the different ways that it's triggering inflammation and causing digestive distress and you know, engaging that immune system. I'm gonna focus on one piece of the puzzle here, which is part of just the body's natural process that happens when you digest and break down the gluten protein, which is that it releases a compound in the gut called zen. And we talked about those tight junctions, that line that are part of the lining of the small intestine.   (20:43): Zonulin is one of the gatekeepers and zen, when you have elevated levels of lin, it opens up those tight junctions. Let's say you lived in a big old house on a super busy street in like downtown Manhattan somewhere. And normally you keep your doors and your windows closed and maybe you even have, you know, a bellman or somebody who is that gatekeeper at that front door just letting in only the people that you want into your house eating gluten. So that, that's the analogy of what it should be happening in your small intestines. These tight junctions are closed and only opening very selectively to let just what we want into our bloodstream. What happens when you eat gluten is that it releases the lin, which in basically acts like opening up all the doors in the windows of that house, right? And now anybody who's just walking down the street has easy access and so you might still have your bellman and for the front door trying madly running around and trying to only allow in the things that should be getting in.   (21:48): But that, that process gets overwhelmed pretty quickly. And so it's the same thing that happens in your gut. Basically those tight junctions just open up and now all manner of stuff can get in there. The undigested broccoli, the the toxins, the things that are destined for the, the toilet bowl, the pathogens, like all of this things that are, should not be getting into the bloodstream are getting into the bloodstream. And so gluten is in many ways the gateway food sensitivity. , you often, you know, one of the ways that food sensitivities are developed is that maldigested pieces of that food are getting into the bloodstream. The immune system recognizes it not as a nutrient but as the, an invader and tags it as such. That's one of the key mechanisms for developing food sensitivities. And so if you have a food like gluten that is just opening up all those tight junctions and letting all sorts of other foods get in at the same time, that is a recipe for really both overwhelming the immune system and priming it to attack these foods regularly down the road as the enemy. And when you do that, if you think about that, if you're eating foods that are engaging the immune system like this multiple times a day every day, well that's a pretty major stressor on the immune system and that is not letting that little immune system rest and recover. And that can be one of the biggest pieces in terms of leading to an autoimmune situation. So right gluten so   (23:26): Beautifully   (23:26): I just said, so gluten is gone.   (23:29): That is gone. Bye bye gluten. But what a beautiful analogy. So gluten is like your friend who runs up and like in college you had that friend on Friday night who went and opened everybody's door and is like, we're having a party in the hall now. Yes. Right. , that's gluten your gateway food, your gateway drug, your gateway party maker. All right, so gluten for sure. Bye bye. Let me ask you this question cuz I know people are thinking this because you and I work with people like this every day. They're like, okay, I get it and I'm 90% compliant Margaret and Kyrin. I don't eat gluten 90% of the time, but I have to have that thing, the toast, the this, the that, the other. And they always wanna ask me, so I'm gonna ask you, Yeah. Is that good enough?   (24:21): Nope. And I'm not hardlined about a lot of things, but I'm hardlined about this. You cannot be mostly gluten free. It just doesn't work that way. You really need to have it outta the system completely. Now gluten, it sticks around antibodies to gluten stick around for a long time. I did Dr. Tom O'Brien's gluten and practitioner training program years ago where we sat through hundreds and hundreds of papers learning all the different ways that gluten is challenging to the body. But one of the key pieces is how long it hangs out in the system so it can take up to six months to completely clear it from one ingestion. So you really, you, you can't be mostly gluten free and yeah, I mean there's gonna be times where you get exposed without your awareness. That's just, it's almost impossible to avoid that. And you know, you ask anyone who's celiac where there's an autoimmune response in response to the consumption of gluten and they will tell you how insanely hard it is to be a hundred percent.   (25:25): But you really need to strive for that. If you, if you do the, oh, I'm gonna have my co salt on Saturdays, but I'm not gonna do anything other than that. Or like, oh, once a year. It really, it's actually, here's the thing, it's easier to just say I don't eat that. As soon as you open the door to a little bit, that is a very, very slippery slope. And so it's actually not only better for your health, it is way easier to implement just a full on gluten free lifestyle than it is to make exceptions. Because once you have made an exception, it's like so much easier to make the next exception and the next exception and where's the line and you know, well you did it for this birthday party, so why not that birthday party? And it just, it's a slippery slope.   (26:14): I have not seen it work and I, I know that there's different personality types. I know some people can do moderation and other people can, you know, I, I get that and yet I have not seen it successfully work for somebody to be mostly gluten free. And if there is autoimmune it's just a hard no. Like you just have to be off, be off of. And and it might be, you know, I've also had clients, I'm sure you've had the same situation where someone goes off of gluten and they might feel a little bit better, but it's not like suddenly rainbows and unicorns are falling from the sky, right? It's like, but this didn't fix everything. You're right. It's not a magic pill, it's often much more involved than that but it is a necessary minimum.   (26:55): Yeah. You know, it's like I tell people, well how would it work for you in your marriage if you are mostly, mostly only slept with your partner and go,   (27:07): That is a great analogy. There are just certain things that are a hard line.   (27:11): Right? So I agree with you on the gluten, but I wanted everyone to hear it from someone else, another expert besides me. Cuz they're like, hearing you're such a killjoy. All right, so gluten's gotta go. What else though? Because people hear soy, Should I eat soy? Should I not? Cows milk, dairy? Should I have that? Should I not? Mm-Hmm. , what other foods are culprits and what might be some unique foods that people don't even know to eliminate   (27:36): If you're just doing this as a starting point and you're wanting to pull out the big sort of the quote unquote usual suspects, gluten, dairy, soy, sugar and industrial seed oils is a really, really good start. So if you're able to take those pieces out, and honestly, I mean each one of these wipes out categories of foods, right? Like if you take out industrially processed seed oils mm-hmm. , you're essentially taking out the vast majority of processed foods.   (28:12): Yeah.   (28:13): Same thing with sugar. You pull out sugar, it's, it's amazing when you start to read ingredients lists and ingredient labels, food labels, it's amazing where sugar hides, I do a program called the Real Food reboot and it's, we pull all forms of sugar out of the diet for 21 days. And people who go through that are constantly amazed at things like salad dressing, right at their, you know, at maybe like at hummus. Like there's these places where we don't think there's any reason for any kind of sweetener and yet, not in all, but in many of them they're gonna find added sweeteners. And you're also gonna find really poor quality oil. So when I say industrially processed seed oils, I'm talking about corn oil, soy oil, cotton seed oil, sunflower oil, sunflower oil. Those are the, the big heavy hitters. These are highly, highly processed rand and just devastating for your body.   (29:09): They're also very proinflammatory and inflammation is is one of the immune processes. Like I said, that's something that's mediated and and sort of managed by your immune system. So anything that is causing inflammation is something that's engaging in fatiguing the immune system. So those industrial seed oils, ugh, they are, they're just, and it makes me a little crazy because even a lot of quote unquote healthy food alternatives, maybe they're gluten free, maybe they're even grain free and you know, but then you, you read that ingredient list and it's like sunflower oil and you're like, ah, you're so close. So let's talk about two of those heavy hitters, which is dairy and soy, because in some cases they're really good to pull out at the beginning, but there are certain forms of them in small quantities that are tolerable for some people. Okay, so that sounds like I'm qualifying all over the place and I am.   (30:05): But let's talk about dairy first. And dairy is complicated because there are so many different ways for one to have a reaction to dairy. So some people have straight up food allergies to dairy. So it's a, an IgE that's a immunoglobulin e mediated response, It's a formal food allergy. Others will have food sensitivities. Some of these are mediated by antibodies, I G G I G M. Some of them just happen at a cellular level and they're, they're what we call a type four hypersensitivity, no antibody involvement at all. But they're still triggering an inflammation process. Then you can have people who react to, from a digestive perspective. So there's the lactose issues, that's the milk sugar, the lactose is the milk sugar. Maybe they don't make the lactase enzyme as adults. So they're not breaking this milk sugars down properly and they have severe digestive complaints as a result.   (31:02): And then you get into the issue of the fact that the sort of ultra processing of a lot of dairy, that becomes highly problematic. So what I would say is at the beginning, without formal testing and if you are experiencing an autoimmune flare, you wanna pull out just the whole category of dairy. It's just, that's the easiest thing to do. Once you are in remission, things are under control. If you have done testing, that's very helpful. So of course if there's a true food allergy, you wanna stay away from it. If you have a history of food sensitivities, in some cases you can bring that back in, in very, very minimal quantities depending on what kind of healing work that you've done. But you wanna go, you wanna tread easily there and it's a really good idea to retest, to make sure cuz food sensitivities will shift, they can be healed.   (31:52): So if you have retested and it does not appear that the sensitivity is active anymore, then you can reintroduce. But I would do, I would be very specific about multiple things. Number one, the most well tolerated forms of dairy will be the higher fat pieces. So, so butter from Pasteur raised, you know, exclusively Pasteur raised cows or ge, which is clarified butter. So that's just the butter oil, again, organic and from Pasteur raised cows that's well tolerated by most people. Next, if you know, another consideration is actually the cow . So one of the things that we do consume in our house is we get, I, you know, I have heavy cream in my coffee in the morning and, but I get, get the heavy cream from an A two cow. There's an A one, an A two cows and it's got to do with the, the breeds.   (32:47): And, and this is where I'm sort of pushing up against my, my knowledge of, you know, dairy cows. But I know that the A two one is more of a heritage breed and it has the actual milk that products that come from that animal are much better tolerated by humans than a one cows. A two cows are more prevalent in Europe, but you can find them in the states. But if it, if your dairy is not labeled a two from a two cows, then it's not. If it is, it's typically more expensive and the, you know, the company will, will brag about that on its label. So you can, you can know that by the labeling fermented dairy, you know, a whole milk organic yogurt for example, unflavored would be a much better choice than just like, you know, milk itself. So there's, there's different degrees of this.   (33:40): In fact in my first book Eat Naked, I did a whole chapter on dairy and kind of went through what's best, what's better, what's, and then what you absolutely want to avoid. So it gets a little bit complicated, but the key rules are that it, you really want to focus on what the cows ate. So pasture raised is really important. Ideally a two cows in terms of their breed and the fattier it is, the fewer, you know, if you don't have as much of the milk sugars and the milk proteins, so butter and ge, that's gonna be less problematic. And then fermentation also helps the digestibility. So something like a yogurt or a C. So that's kind of a deep dive into, into dairy. But if you haven't done testing and certainly if you're flaring, I would just pull it   (34:30): Out. Awesome. No, that was great. I, that was everything that people needed to hear. Can we talk a little bit about testing? Cuz you've mentioned it and I know I get a lot of questions about it. You probably do too. Should I get tested what test is best? People are all the time saying, I found this group on for this $79 mm-hmm hair food sensitivity test. Is that good? I'd love to hear your thoughts on that. I certainly have my own opinion and there are as many food sensitivity tests as there are types of yogurt in the grocery store,   (35:04): Right? ,   (35:05): Which is a lot, Every time I go in the grocery, I think the yogurt section takes up an additional two feet. And I'm like, wow, people really love their yogurt.   (35:14): I know. And most of it has more sugar than ice cream, but that's a whole aside, right?   (35:18): And they're like, oh it's healthy. And I'm like, No, just go get the ice cream y'all. You'll better with that. So can you, we talk about testing a little,   (35:29): You bet. I'm a big believer in testing because what testing allows us to do is really dial in the specifics for the individual. You know, there's, there's certain diets that are broadly removing whole categories of foods beyond, far beyond what we just talked about here. You know, like the autoimmune paleo or autoimmune protocol diet, that's a very extensive elimination diet and people have great success with it. So I'm not trying to dis this diet at all, but you know, they're pulling out all grains, all legumes, all seeds, all nuts, all nightshades, eggs. I mean really it's really hard. This particular diet, you know, you're eating vegetables, you're eating certain proteins, you're eating certain fats and even your spice drawer gets affected, right? There's a lot of things that you can't do. You're using more like herbs and like garlic and onions as opposed to paprika or you know, even something like mustard because it comes from a seed is it is excluded.   (36:29): So it gets very complicated and very, very challenging. And in those kinds of scenarios I find that what happens is often people are avoiding foods that are not harmful in their body and then at the same time they're still consuming other foods that are triggering an inflammatory process. And that's really what's one of the key things that this comes down to is what foods are either hard to digest. So they're creating extra pressure on the digestive system. And we now know that so much of the immune system lives in and around the digestive system. So we don't wanna add extra pressure to it. And the other way that a food can tax the immune system is by being inflammatory in the pro in the body. So it's triggering that inflammation process. So I'm a big believer in testing because that is going to allow us to really fine tune for the individual what their diet needs to be.   (37:22): Especially in the healing phase. It doesn't mean that you're doing this food sensitivity test and you never eat these foods ever again in your life. That is not, that's a common misconception. I know when I very first did food sensitivity testing long ago, long before I became a nutrition professional, the individual is working with, I don't know if she didn't tell me or I didn't hear it and it didn't register, but I did not understand that this wasn't a forever thing. And I will tell you, when I got those test results, I went home and I shed a lot of tears thinking this was the rest of my life. It's not the rest of your life. It's a temporary thing while you do the healing. So I am a big believer in food sensitivity tests. I do not like probably 99% of the tests that are on the market and I don't think that food sensitivity testing should ever be done in isolation.   (38:10): And here's what I mean by that. Let's start with that piece. If you do a food sensitivity test, no matter how brilliant the test, you could use a great test or you know, if you're not using a good test, then that's problematic in and of itself. But let's say you're using it a really good test that's very comprehensive and it's going to and very accurate and you remove the foods that it tells you are inflammatory in your body. Well here's what's gonna happen. You're gonna feel better for a a while for sure, cuz you've just significantly reduced your inflammatory burden. But over time you're gonna develop new food sensitivities because you're not addressing and healing the mechanism through which your body creates those food sensitivities to begin with. So what ends up happening is you have somebody who feels better, but then they start to slowly have symptoms recur and the sort of he, you know, this, the healing quote unquote, if it was actually healing or the improvement let's say doesn't last.   (39:06): And so then they do another food sensitivity test and they find out a whole new set of foods that they are now sensitive to and they pull those out. And what happens is they get this ever shrinking list of foods that they tolerate, but while their, their symptoms just start to progressively come back worse and worse. So I really believe in food sensitivity testing, but I only do it when it is done in conjunction with well informed gut healing. And what I mean by well informed gut healing is gut healing that is informed through its own testing. So I'm a big believer in stool testing to understand what's going on in that digestive tract so that we can get in there and heal that rebalance the microbiome if it needs to support digestive function, if it's not working optimally, get rid of any opportunist in, you know, organisms that are in there or pathogens, you know, sometimes we can have these low lying parasites for example, not enough to be identified on, you know, a parasite test that you get from your GI doctor, but present and chronic and contr, you know, tiring out is sort of that, it's kind of like Chinese water torture, right?   (40:22): It's a steady drip on the immune system. Those things that are just taxing it and engaging it just a little bit at a time every single day. That's the stuff that can be the biggest culprits when it comes to fatiguing the immune system and leading to on an autoimmune presentation. So addressing and healing the gut, but doing it in a way that is well informed because it is very, very difficult to properly heal the digestive tract based on symptoms alone. Because symptoms can be driven by any number of the things that I just mentioned in microbiome imbalance. It can be driven by food sensitivities, it can be driven by a leaky gut, it can be driven by digestive dysfunction, it can be driven by imbalance in the microbiome, it can be driven by pathogen presence. So, and it's normally some unique combination of a collection of those things. And so if you can understand what's happening in the gut, you can be healing the gut and we remove the foods that are triggering inflammation while we heal the gut. That is the magic combination right there. Yeah.   (41:28): Yeah. And that, so that was great. Thank you for going so in depth and detailed so people really hear it. Hear it. And what I love that you said is a well, so food sensitivity testing should be done in conjunction with a, well inform yes. Gut healing regimen that includes testing even if you have no symptoms. And I want everyone to hear that if you hear nothing else. Yes. Because there's nothing sadder than I meet someone who's been listening to my podcast for several years and they're like, Well Kyrin, I saw this hair food sensitivity on coupon and I did it and I remove all the foods, but I still have Hashimotos. And I'm like, oh my gosh. I'm thinking to myself, she's lost two years. And I know there's some of you listening who are thinking, how can I do this myself? And I'm offered DIY at when you can. But when it comes to healing your core, which is your gut mm-hmm. , you can't,   (42:26): No, you   (42:27): Can unfortunately   (42:28): No, you can start the process. Have   (42:31): You Yeah. Believe that you could just take some supplements off the internet and do a hair food sensitivity test and you're good to go, but you won't. It's not, it's just not the case. Is it Margaret?   (42:41): No, I wish it was . Yeah. I mean our lives would be a lot simpler, but it just does not work that way. It doesn't. I wish it did, but it doesn't. And and what I see, and I'm sure you see this all the time, as people who've just spent thousands of dollars on DIY tests and supplements off the internet. And here's the thing, both the labs that sell direct to consumer and supplement companies that sell direct to consumer have very sophisticated marketing. So it is really compelling. Even as a practitioner every once and I know better, like I know better and every once in a while I will see some ad I'm like, Ooh, I hadn't heard of that probiotic before. You know? And, and you start to think, well maybe this is the missing piece. Right? And it's just not that simple.   (43:28): Even the probiotics that I work in with in clinic that have fantastic success rates, even those, sometimes they work for an individual and sometimes they don't. Like it's so bio-individual. We have to remember that we are unique people. Every one of us comes with this very unique constellation of health history, physiological strengths, constitutional weaknesses, where we live, what we ate as a child, what kind of stresses are on us, what we eat now, what's our lifestyle? How much sleep do we get, What climate do we live in, what season is it? What grows locally to us? And all of these things come together to create this you sort of unique health blueprint that we have. And it is just not possible that there is like a couple of magic pills out there. It's compelling. We want it, we want it, It just doesn't exist.   (44:26): It doesn't exist. Okay. So we're gonna have to wrap up. But before we do, I know people are probably maybe feeling a little hopeless. Okay, I can't have gluten, I can't have dairy, can't have seed oils, I can't have this, da da, I gotta have a gut test and all this. Where am I gonna find the money for that? Okay, let's give a little hope here. Mm-Hmm. , what should I eat? I've just been diagnosed with an autoimmune disease and we are gonna offer, Margaret has generously giving you a copy of her first five steps to address autoimmune diseases. We're gonna put the link in the show notes so you can go download that. And so maybe this is you or a friend, you can download it and get started. So you, you'll have all five first step five steps cuz we don't have time to go over all of them, but let's leave everyone with, okay, so what should I eat? What would be a good breakfast, Margaret? What would be a good lunch? What would be a good dinner   (45:24): Focus First on actually really clean healthy proteins. Those are going to be part of, that's part of what builds your immune system. It's what supports repair in your body. It also is what keeps you full and satiated and can help blood sugar balance, et cetera. So I want you to think first about the protein. And I am a big believer in animal protein. A challenge with the plant-based proteins is that they're so hard on the digestion. So when we're talking about autoimmune and gut health, if you're leaning on soy and legumes, those can be quite devastating to the gut. So really good clean animal protein. So I'm talking about things like Pasteur raised beef eggs from Pasteur raised chicken pa, the chicken itself, wild fish and seafood, the lamb, bison wild bore, these kinds of things. They're actually pretty wildly available at this point.   (46:16): You know, even more conventional grocery stores are starting to catch wind of this trend. Let's call it, I don't know, this movement towards cleaner animal protein. So you can definitely find it and you wanna make you want, this is where you wanna invest your food dollars is in proteins and fats because that's actually where toxins accumulate and hormones and all this kind of stuff. So you really wanna invest your food dollars there. You wanna eat lots of veggies. We could get into the nuances based on what's going on with your digestion. Some people tolerate more, some people tolerate fewer. If you do find that veggies are challenging on your gut, make sure you're cooking them. You know, they, we have this sort of ideal that you should be eating tons of salad. Salad doesn't work for a lot of people. Raw vegetables can be very, very hard to digest.   (46:59): So just lightly cooking them, maybe you saute them, maybe you steam them and add some yummy sauces. But that would be, you know, so clean, clean proteins, good veggies, healthy fats that are used appropriately. And I know in that, in that handout, the first five we talk go the length, that's a whole topic in and of itself is how, what fats to use when. But you don't wanna be afraid of fats. They're vitally important; you just wanna make sure they're the right ones. And then healing foods, things like bone broths and fermented foods can be really, really healing to the gut. They probably won't take you the full distance, but it's a really good thing to incorporate into the diet on a regular basis because it's really helping to initiate that healing process. And then, you know, you know, if you're gonna do grains, make sure that they're gluten free grains trying to stay away from those processed foods that are gonna have the, you know, industrial seed oils that we talked about and whatnot.   (47:51): But let me tell you, I eat this way and, and we have this idea that eating healthfully means, you know, this sort of dry piece of chicken breast and steamed broccoli without any flavor on it. It does not have to be that way at all. And in fact it will give the links to my practice website, eat naked kitchen.com. But if you go in there, there's an opt-in at the bottom right hand corner and we give you our full kitchen stock. We call it kitchen essentials. It's basically what you should have in your pantry and your fridge. And then the next day we send you a a week long meal plan with recipes that we use in our household with both my husband and myself and the kids. This is all family-friendly stuff. This is stuff that we eat on a regular basis. Both my husband and myself are two young children.   (48:36): We have a a six year old and a 10 year old, both of whom are quite picky. You know, I think it's a great tool for you to get started in eating this way. And basically everything that I've just explained in terms of how you want to eat and foods to eliminate all of that's built in. So you don't even have to think about it. You can just use this meal plan as a starting point, use the grocery lists and these are meals that are on high rotation in our household and that the kids love and are delicious and nutritious, and it's not chicken breast and steamed broccoli. Yeah.   (49:08): You know it's funny when I have to go to a regular restaurant like just with an American sad diet. Mm-Hmm , everything tastes the same. Yeah, it's fat and it's sugar, but you don't realize that when you eat it because you're looking for the fat and sugar flavor and that's what tells you it's good also salt. But when you eat the whole foods way, like you're describing and I encourage everyone to go download what Margaret's offering. Cause your husband's an amazing chef. Mm-Hmm and I know he has his hands in all of that. But when you really start to eat from a, a whole Foods perspective and you really taste the flavors of the food, it is a reeducation of your palette. But I make things like, well I should share this recipe with everyone and I di I'm digressing, I know, but I make this cilantro and parsley and garlic sauce that you can put on chicken or fish anyway, it's amazing.   (50:04): So you can learn to cook this way. And Margaret is a great resource for that cuz she's an expert in it. And like I said, her husband is a fantastic chef. Thank you Margaret for sharing this wonderful information. You are a wealth of knowledge and inspiration. I know that everyone has gotten so much out of this. We will have the link to Margaret's first five download in the show notes. So definitely wanna go there. She's got naked in her book and the Naked Foods cookbook. You definitely wanna check those out. Where else can they find out more about you and interact with you Margaret?   (50:40): My main website is eat naked kitchen.com and there are just, there's tons of resources, like 450 different articles and recipes and just lots of stuff for you to dig into there. And then if, I don't know if there are any practitioners in your audience, but if you're somebody who is intrigued by this work and wants to learn how to support others on their journey to health through diet and these more advanced nutrition and testing strategies, I am also the executive director of a company called Restorative Wellness Solutions and we train health professionals in how to work very strategically with diet, supplements and lifestyle to do things like reverse autoimmune.   (51:25): Awesome. Yes. I encourage everybody to check that out. Your work with practitioners is great and yes, we have lots of practitioners in our audience. So if you are interested in thinking wow, I might like to work with people, helping them in this area of their life, definitely check out Margaret's offerings. There was so much great content. I didn't get to share some of these wonderful quotes that you shared with me before the episode, but I gotta get 'em in cuz this is one of my favorites from Maya Angelou. Do the best you can until you know better then when you know better, do better. And I know that everybody listening has heard something here today that was new, new to you, inspiring, maybe intriguing. And I wanna ask you to lean into that and ask yourself, what can I do better based on this information, inspiration that I've learned today? And go do that thing. Thank you Margaret for joining us today.   (52:31): Thank you so much for having me. It's been so much fun. And   (52:35): Thank you all for joining me for another episode of The Hormone Prescription with Dr. Kyrin. It's been my absolute pleasure to spend this time with you, and I look forward to seeing you again next week when we will dive into another topic related to your hormone balance. Until then, peace, love, and hormones y'all.   (52:57): Thank you so much for listening. I know that incredible vitality occurs for women over 40 when we learn to speak hormone and balance these vital regulators to create the health and the life that we deserve. If you're enjoying this podcast, I'd love it if you give me a review and subscribe. It really does help this podcast out so much. You can visit the hormone prescription.com where we have some free gifts for you and you can sign up to have a hormone evaluation with me on the podcast to gain clarity into your personal situation. Until next time, remember, take small steps each day to balance your hormones and watch the wonderful changes in your health that begin to unfold for you. 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    Why Whole Body Cleaning Is Essential And Here's How

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 27, 2022 41:42


    Have you ever wondered about the toxins that have been building up in your body and the effects they have on your overall health?   In this episode of The Hormone Prescription Podcast, we interview Diane Kazer, a certified detox specialist, toxins expert, courage coach, and holistic beauty expert. She shares with us why whole body cleansing is essential and provides tips on how to get started.   In this episode, you'll learn: The sobering statistics regarding toxicity in our environment and in our body The ABCs of detoxing: what, when, where, how, and why Simple tips to get started with whole body cleansing Boosting your mitochondria for better health And much more!   So tune in and learn how you can start feeling your best by detoxing your body!   (00:00): What kind of health are you woman affecting Diane Kazer?   (00:06): So the big question is how do women over 40, like us keep weight off, have great energy balance. Our hormones and our moods feel sexy and confident and master midlife. If you're like most of us, you are not getting the answers you need and remain confused and pretty hopeless to ever feel like yourself. Again. As an OB GYN, I had to discover for myself the truth about what creates a rock, solid metabolism, lasting weight loss, and supercharged energy. After 40 in order to lose a hundred pounds and fix my fatigue. Now I'm on a mission. This podcast is designed to share the natural tools you need for impactful results. And to give you clarity on the answers to your midlife metabolism challenges, join me for tangible natural strategies to crush the hormone imbalances you are facing and help you get unstuck from the sidelines of life. My name is Dr. Kyrin Dunston welcome to The Hormone Prescription Podcast.   (00:59): Hi, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of The Hormone Prescription Podcast my guest today. She is so creative and so passionate and has created so many programs to help women with their health. She's gonna talk to you about the ABCs of detox. She's gonna talk to you about some sobering statistics regarding toxicity in our environment and in our body, and really highlight for you the things that are currently poisoning you in your environment, but mostly tell you what to do about it. She's got actionable tips. So you wanna make sure to listen up. I'll tell you a little bit about her and then we'll get started. Diane Kazer is a pro soccer player turned functional diagnostic nutrition practitioner. She's a certified detox specialist, toxins expert, courage coach, and holistic beauty expert. Diane had many challenging health conditions and has built recovery protocols to successfully overcome them.   (01:58): With this experience. She's helped thousands of clients around the world as their last resort from failed attempts at everything she created, the cleanse heal like night holistic health Institute and warrior detox programs. She certifies coaches and teaching, teaches clients to activate their intuition, to self-heal, empowering them with lifelong tools to reverse autoimmune disease, breast implant illness, hormonal imbalances, chronic pain, gut infections, emotional trauma, and perfectionism through functional medicine labs, custom detox and mastering mindset. She's the author of killer breast, creator of the ex plant solution, producer of the nontoxic beauty summit and the Ionics 10 part dying to be beautiful. Docu-series her mission is to inspire you to embrace your natural beauty and God-given gifts. Shedding the S H I that releases you to live your best life with love, laughter and liberation. Diane will not let you fail. Welcome Diane to the podcast. Thank   (03:05): You so much for having me, Dr. Karen, great to be with you.   (03:08): Yes. Super excited to have you here and talk about all the things related to why a cleansing of your whole body is essential to vitality over 40. What made you become so passionate about this particular topic for women over 40?   (03:27): Yeah. Thanks for the question. I think one of the things that I hear so much and part of what I believed, because it's all that I knew or heard is that you aged, you get older, it's just nothing you can do about it. You're destined to the genetics that you were provided. There's nothing you can do other than take HRT or biodentical hormones. And what that looks like from there is all downhill. It's all downhill after 40, and that you need to take hormone replacement therapy. And that's all that there is. And that you're kind of destined to your sleeping nine hours at night and a little bit of weight gain that won't go away just because you're simply aging and what I've learned as a functional diagnostic nutrition practitioner and working with a lot of women of all ages, of course, a lot of them over 40 at this point, I'm 44 almost is that the toxins are such a big drain to aging.   (04:19): They are such a big drain to the beauty blocks and beauty builders that I call like parasites also robbing us of nutrients. And these are the things that are building blocks to provide beauty, energy and immunity that we're after. And so there's not just a silver bullet. And for me, it was a lot of different toxins like breast and plants, a lot of birth control over the years, not having my period for seven, eight years. And this is a lot of women too. Who've experienced the same thing and were told that these are the only answers for you to build your beauty or to feel younger or to, uh, maintain our youth. And so after doing, doing that Botox, that one almost destroyed me. A lot of the things that I was doing were very mainstream. And then I, I came to realize that there were several women that I worked with were doing the same thing. And we started removing those blocks to their beauty, their immunity, their vitality, and they started to look better, feel better, feel better. And it, it wasn't as   (05:14): Expensive. Yeah. And you know, you said that peop women are offered HRT, but that since the women's health initiative study in 2002 women aren't even getting that benefit. So they're in a worse position than they were. That's one of the reasons why I do what I do, but I agree with you. It's not just about getting a prescription for hormones. I always say, there's the prescription you need a written prescription for, but there's also the life prescription, the dietary prescription, the supplement prescription, the cleanse prescription, all the things that you need to clear out of your body. So what do you think is most important for a woman to know about cleansing her body? I think it's really clear that cleansing is important. I think most women know that it's in the general public. You hear about it on social media. You hear about it on TV. You hear it about on the radio, but when an woman goes to start doing it, I don't think she knows what to do. So where does she even begin?   (06:15): Yeah. When it comes to cleansing    (06:17): Yes. Cleansing. Right? She's like, I wanna cleanse, but then right. How do you do that? What's important. Yeah. Yeah. What does she have to know?   (06:26): It's a great question. And I can go so many different ways with this. And, and I want to kind of take myself even back to when I first started doing this about 12 years ago, is that it's such a big field and it could be intimidating. It could be daunting. So the first thing I want to share with everybody is that we're trained to think it needs to be perfect. We're trained to think it needs to be linear. We're trained that it needs to happen very quickly. And none of these are true when it comes to cleansing your body. Because when you go to start cleansing your body, it's kind of like, imagine a home that's, that's sat for a long time and it hasn't gotten any TLC and you go in there and you start remodeling a 1970s home and you go, you start with the, the bathroom.   (07:03): And then of course the next thing you know, you're, you've spent six figures under remodeling the entire house. And you start to see when you pull the walls back, oh, there's some mold there. You start to look underneath the, the floors and you see, you know, pieces of wood or fragments that you don't want there that might be hazardous to your health asbestos in the roof. So it's kind of similar to that. And it's not meant to scare you. It's meant to aware you that cleansing is a journey. It's, it's a lifelong journey. I always like to say my favorite thing to say to people is ABC always be cleansing because it's not a destiny. It's not like, okay. It's like, when you say in the psychology field, it's like, well, I'm, I'm healed. I'm awake. I'm finally done. I'm woke. And it's like, no, our whole life isn't awakening. Just like a tree. Our whole life is blossoming. And so the same thing can be true with cleansing. We are exposed to over 75,000 toxins on a regular basis. And the average person, according to the EPA has over 700 in their body. I can see a lot of head nods over there, giving yourself chiropractic, adjust, right? Doc   (08:05): oh my gosh. Like preach Diane preach. Yeah. There's   (08:10): So many. And this is also, you know, what's been hidden, hidden in plain sight. It, it, from so many of us are not made aware of these because there are a lot of MDs. Obviously not like you talking, they're not talking about this, that are saying that your liver talks, your liver cleanses toxins on their own. You don't need to do anything additional, but the average person has over 700 of these poisons inside of them at any given time. The average baby is born with over 275 of these poisons in their body before they have even taken their first breath. And this is where I obviously get really passionate because where are these coming from? They're obviously coming from mom and this is not meant to shame or blame anybody, but the onus is on, on us when it comes to these things. When I tell women, Hey, before you go spend 15,000, 20,000 on IVF therapy, because you can't get pregnant, sit with somebody who, you know, is an expert at cleansing and work with them for three, ideally six months to really clean out your beautiful nest, go to your room and clean your womb.   (09:18): it's like   (09:19): What I like. So   (09:20): Clean your womb before you start to create something new, because this could be a lifelong sentence to a child, a brand new baby that maybe perhaps you weren't aware of with these poisons. And it's not too late. If you have had a baby, that's not what I'm saying at all. It's just to give these babies a great chance of cleansing. And so I wanted to start with those statistics because it's that important to understand that this is not just somebody who has had silver fillings or somebody who's had breast implants or somebody who's had Botox or somebody who's been exposed to asbestos cold. You know, this is not just one in a hundred people. We are constantly surrounded with these things. So the first place I like to start is by saying, what are the things that are currently poisoning you now? Like, what are the things in your environment? And you can do that and ask that question concurrent to I'm also going to be cleansing my body. Now. Here's what I'll say. Did you wanna interject anything Dr. Kirin? Cuz I just kind of went off   (10:17): Pretty big camera. No, I'm like, I'm like, I'm right with you. Preach. Tell it like it is and go right where you're going. I love it.   (10:24): Okay, great. So, so it first starts with awareness that wow cleansing is really, truly in my perspective. And hopefully you're hearing some of this too. The number one thing that is contributing to our illness today, symptoms, sickness, suffering, stuckness. And so that aside now you're here and you're going okay, what do I do? Where do I start toxins in environment. Very key. Secondly, here's what I'd like to say. That is very unconventional and UN mainstream. That needs to be is that start with ensuring that you're ready for the toxin game. Yeah, the detox game. Right? So I played professional soccer and I can say this because I know for me, if I hadn't been practicing for the championship game for the state cup, whatever it was that I was competing in and you guys who were athletes can, can get this or also kind of maybe preparing for your first date, you get ready. You wanna feel your best. You wanna feel confident, whatever it is, you wanna feel ready, strong and confident going into something that can be a game changer, lifesaver for you. Right. So what does that look like inside of the body is some something we call mitochondria and maybe have you talked about this on your show at all before? Oh   (11:36): Yeah. We love mitochondria here, but you go right ahead and talk about whatever you want with mitochondria is super important.   (11:44): Yeah. And we can, you know, get, it can get really clinical and overwhelming and super scientific. And that's not how I like to talk. I like to talk like I'm talking to maybe an eight year old because it's, we have so much information to process these days. And the reason why so many have brain Fogg and neurological dysfunction and have a hard time conceptualizing or, or retaining information and turning it into wisdom and applying it is because we are so bogged down with toxicity, neurotoxins that end up in our brain and 65% or around there of your brain is fat. And the number one place that toxins go is into fat. Like they're in the brain.   (12:22): I know most people don't realize that toxins love your brain. And one of the things that people are most afraid of is getting dementia second only to cancer. And they don't realize that the toxins. And I think it's the fact that you can't see them. And these statistics, like you said, 700 traces of 700 toxic chemicals in most adult humans on this planet. But most people, you can't feel it. It's not like that mercury that's floating around. You're like, oh I have mercury. Right? You might know that you're more sluggish. You're more tired. You're waking up in the middle of the night. You can't lose the extra few pounds that you've gained. Right? So you see it as these symptoms, but it's not linked directly to because your doctor's not telling you. And so you don't have this cognitive awareness of what these toxins are doing to you.   (13:16): And so what Diane and I are saying is you got to pull back the veil, that's covering your eyes and know that just cuz your doctor's not talking about it. You're not hearing about on the six o'clock news. You know, red alert, toxins are killing humans, causing cancer, causing dementia, accumulating in your brain. I'm so glad you're hearing us talk about it so that you know about it so that you are aware so that you can do something about it. And you know, I'm, I'm gonna end the episode by challenging you to do something about it. So, but first let's give you some more information (13:49): Yeah. I, and I love that. You just stated one of my favorite things to do is to, and I'm so happy that you're doing this as an MD. We need more of you. We need absolutely more of you Karen, to step up to this awareness and support patients with it. So it's more of a, a complete, comprehensive healing approach versus just here's a pill. And that's your only one thing. And that's what this six o'clock news will program, literally with the anchor anchoring into your mind, programming you with the program that talk to your doctor. Do you have this long list of symptoms, talk to your doctor, then you're gonna get diarrhea and death and dementia and disease weird. So it's the one thing, and this is singularity approach and it's not working. And it hasn't, unless there are people who are constantly watching and, and, and getting hypnotized by those.   (14:35): But I don't have eyes that are hypnotized. And I'm so glad that you don't and the people that you're influencing don't because you just said that very thing is getting into people's mind and going, you know what I'm thinking? You know what I fear now teach me how I can prevent this from manifesting, right? Because I say manifesting or a woman manifesting because we create a reality. We do create a disease. We are not victims of this. What we are victims of is this world that has so many chemicals and poisons that less than 2% of them have actually been tested and approved for safety. And every single year, there are several thousands more that are getting approved, that people are not aware of 2000 plus new chemicals are approved. And so this is why I say always be cleansing because it's not just about what's in your body. Now it's about what they're continuing, continuing to, to roll out and beauty products, personal care products, you know, there's a PTs and the pearls and all the things that people think are fine. And they're like, oh, dove, because it's on a beauty commercial, but yet dove is contains several toxic ingredients. However, they did a cue. He   (15:40): Looked so gentle on the commercial with the white dove and all the ladies look happy and you're being hypnotized. Y'all   (15:49): Brainwashed body washed beauty, washed all the washing, but it's really actually detoxifying. It's the opposite. It's upside down world. So whatever the TV says, do the opposite and it doesn't make your skin soft. The thing that I get frustrated by is that there is this thing called beauty wash. I called it, I call it beauty washing. I kind of coined these terms is I did not. My non-toxic beauty summit and wrote my book killer breast and my movie dying to be beautiful. And what I call it is, is beauty washing because these dove commercials, like you said, okay, skin, soft skin sat, you know, we're all smiling and happy and my teeth are super white. All of these are lies. They're all lies. And it's all, you know, they take average two hours to Photoshop. One picture in a magazine, just give us some, just thought two hours.   (16:35): We have all these filters on our phones. This is an unrealistic, we're going down a terrible path of what beauty isn't, it's, it's fake. It's a bunch of lies. And I don't know if you really wanna be a deceiver and a manipulator, but this is not how we, we can build beauty from the inside out of where I'm going with this. And then dove also did a study and found that 96% of women do not think they're beautiful and that yeah. And so we'll do all of these extreme things to buy our beauty. But what we're actually doing is we're cheating our temples and we're causing our body to be ugly on the inside. Bringing on a lot of these parasites that we'll get to today, detoxifying our temple. And then on the outside, our skin and hair only has toxins to build the fabric of our temple, right?   (17:26): So if a body cannot find a potassium, magnesium, calcium, all these minerals that comprise our beauty iron, it will use a heavy metal to build that. So then when you go on a detox, you start losing your hair and you're like, why am I losing my hair? The detox didn't work. No, it actually is. But if you're not draining well, which I'm gonna get to next. If you're not draining well, meaning you're not eliminating your toxins quickly enough, they will actually get forced through your skin and through your hair. And then you're gonna go, oh, my skin is terrible. My hair's falling out. I need to go buy some cream mm-hmm or lotions or pills. You you're gonna do extreme things like I did with like ACUTA, which is something they used and have been using for pancreatic chemo patients. How does that end up as a drug? And then it ends up as a skin, acne healer, but it's not a healer. It's a poisoner. So it's   (18:18): A poison. And, and I'm glad you brought that up because most people think, oh, I, I hear people say it all the time. I have acne. I have to go on the bird control pill and I might need Accutane. What am I, what most people don't realize is that your skin is an accessory detox organ. Like it didn't sign up for that. Your body didn't go. I'm gonna make skin so we can detox. No, you've got kidneys for that liver for that lungs, for that, it only kicks in with and starts trying to detox. They don't realize acne is your body trying to detox X eczema, psoriasis, all it's trying to push it out. Or like you said, losing your hair. So yes. Please talk about drainage.   (18:57): Yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay. So going back to my mitochondria, before you focus on drainage, we need to make sure that you're ready for this championship game known as detox. Detox is deeper than cleansing. So I can say you can always be cleansing, but you can do a bit more of a ritualistic routine detox and I'll get to that. Mm-hmm but mitochondria is the energy that your little cells make and you have trillions of them. They're all over your body. They're everywhere. And so a lot of people get into this reductionist at question of, well, how do I do this? And how do I do this? And they'll end up taking 20 plus pills a day, right? If you don't have mitochondrial health, you are not breaking down these high quality expensive, or maybe not expensive, but just any supplements. You're not breaking them down.   (19:42): And they end up just get getting backed up in your system. Especially if you don't have healthy drainage, which you won't, if you don't have healthy mitochondria production from your cells, that's what makes literally 90% of the energy that you get every day and that you need every day to do what your basic functions are. 90% comes from your mitochondria, which is ATP made in the cells. So your cells have to be healthy in order for you to be well and wealthy, cuz you can't be wealthy, whatever way you define it without being healthy. How do you have healthy cells? Well, I'll start by saying here's what not to do. Cuz I always talk about blockers and builders, blockers and builders. What are the things that are blocking sell health and what are the things that build sell health? Because everybody wants to ask a question, what do I do?   (20:32): What do I do? We have way too many of what do I do? We don't have enough of what do I undo? That's what detox truly is, is what do I undo? What do I stop doing in your life? That is depleting cells. And the one thing I will say about that and we can move on a drainage is that outside of your cell membrane is made of fat. The inside of your membrane is made of protein. So if you are not getting enough healthy fats and enough healthy proteins on a daily basis, you do not have healthy cells and fats, someone might say, oh, sunflower oil, SA flour oil. A lot of these things that you hear people read on a label that sound better than canola oil or better than vegetable oil or better than estrogen blocking soy oil, GMO, soy oil. These are all things that are very unhealthy oils.   (21:16): When people get smarter, they move onto the next green washing thing on the label. Now with sunflower oil. So you have this sunflowers yeah. Flowers and it's pretty and it's colorful. And that sounds healthy. I'm gonna tell you that that's not as healthy as things like omegas. The things that you can get from salmon and a healthy ratio of omega 360 9. That's probably beyond the show today of the topic, but just getting the idea that healthy oils, avocado oils, healthy, organic coconut oils. These are things that help build a healthy structure of the outside of the cell and then enough protein so that you can and, and ignite the inside of the cells. Why that's so important is healthy. Mitochondria. Not only give you energy, but here's how they do it. They push out the bad stuff from the cells, which a lot of them are trapped in when you don't have healthy cells. (22:03): And then the good stuff can't get in. So all these healthy supplements, the vitamins, the hormones, the minerals, they can't get in the cells. So they end up just leaving the body. That's a very reductionist, simplistic state that is important to first, start with energy, make sure that you're ready for the championship game. Make sure that your mitochondria optimized, because those are the things that also communicate to your organs. Like your liver will take and filter the things that will be either fat soluble or water soluble. If they're fat soluble, they leave through the colon. If they're water soluble, they leave through your kidneys. So you poop them or pee them out, right? To speak to like an eight year old. And the thing that's important there is that your liver can only function as well. Is your mitochondria, AKA or cell energy. Powerhouses can communicate the liver to tell them, to let go of the toxins and to convert T4, to T3 for iodine molecules to three iodine molecules in the liver.   (22:58): 70% of that are so happens in the liver. So you, if you're not a liver, you're a dire. That's one of my favorite things to say to, I love that, right? And you've got to take care and love on your liver. So this, you can see here, why MI country is so important because it dictates the power and the consistency of drainage that starts in. Of course it goes through your toxins, go through your lymphatic system, go into the blood, go in the liver and then transport out through poop and pee or sweat or breath. Those are the four main elimination pathways. It could, if you're a woman, it will also come through your ovaries through your cycle. If you're still cycling, if you're over 40, you might not be. And then you also drain it through your hair too. So what I say is, if you really wanna maintain and build your beauty, also know that the better that you're taking care of your liver and your lymphatic system and your gallbladder and all of the elimination organs that are in, in this space between your thyroid down to your ovaries, the more that your body has building blocks to make healthy skin and healthy hair.   (24:10): So that's what drainage is. And I can talk a little bit more about how to do that if you'd like Dr. Karen, it's up to you. But I kind of just said a mouth wall on that too. So I'll let you interact.    (24:18): Yeah. We only have so much time and we've you've number one. I'm gonna just reiterate for everyone was stop poisoning yourself with whatever you're poisoning yourself with. Number two is get your mitochondria online. So they're working for you. They're helping jazz up your liver. What other steps? Why don't we go through all the steps? And then if you wanna come back and give more details about each cuz I know everybody's listening going, this is more than I've heard about cleansing in a long time. Cuz I literally, I can't stand it when I go to the health food store. And I see people asking the clerk who basically has no medical training and holding up a supplement and saying, is this a good detox supplement? And so first off the concept that I need a supplement, that's the first thing I should do wrong. The second concept that there's only one supplement that I need to take that's wrong. And so I'd love for them to get an overview of the steps and then we can come back and add details.   (25:17): Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Thanks. So that's why I say ABC always be cleansing cuz it is a lifestyle. It isn't just a thing that you do once in a while. It's not just colon session once and you're done. It's not that you just sit in a sauna or that you go to a seven day retreat and you cleanse your body and you do it once a year. And then what are you having a   (25:36): Retreat? You wouldn't take a shower once a year and go, oh I did. I took a shower in 20 brushing your   (25:46): Teeth. I'm like, please don't think that just what, what would it be like if you just brush your teeth bill once a year?   (25:51): I know. So point taken, okay, go ahead.   (25:55): And 75% of disease begins in the mouth and we swallow the equivalent of one liter of water every day. And so whatever's going on in your mouth. It becomes part of your gut and whatever's in your gut then becomes all over, you know, every cell of your body because we can poison ourself without realizing it because it we've also been lied to you about that. You know, mercury, silver fillings, you know, get those suckers out. Those are what I call the arsonists. They're constantly starting fires in your body and they live in the body. So that would be breast and implant, silver fillings. So things that are living inside of you that are constantly just, just dripping out toxins, get those suckers out, do it with a biological dentist, do it with a trained, uh, surgeon who knows how to do an N block, total capsule ectomy.   (26:38): I talk about all of that book in my book, killer breast. I'll have you put all the links below so that, um, find their way there and bonuses I have for the book, everything. So the first thing to do to feed your mitochondria, um, and ensure that you have enough energy being produced, the powerhouses of your cells, the power plants is to ensure that you're not eating crap. And here's what I say. Eat fast food, eat fast food all day long every day. And what I mean by that is it stands for something. I like to make words that, that, that sound fun for you guys to remember. Yeah. Fermented foods, antioxidants, super foods and tox and binders because a lot of people will go say, oh, activated charcoal. I did a cleanse because it does have a stronger bond. It does attach to, to toxins.   (27:24): But if you don't have strong mitochondria and you're not draining well, then all it's gonna do is hold into the toxins and not go anywhere. So toxin binders, the most effective ones are the ones that you take in supplement form that are carbon based. Those have a carbon strong bond on them and they're also leaving a healthy residue after they talk detox. What I mean by eating a diet with toxin binders, you wanna get things like spirolina cilantro, chlorella. You wanna get those in your diet in supplement form. They're not gonna be as strong as going after a lot of the toxins that we've been thrown in the last few years. Okay? So just keep that in mind, eat a fast food diet. That is the best way to boost your mitochondria. And of course you are not going to get by on five hours of sleep.   (28:09): You're just not, you need a good seven to nine hours. You need your beauty sleep. There's a reason you set sleep for a very long time. And a lot of your human growth hormone is made when you're sleeping to 95% plus a thought burning happens while you sleep because 98% of human growth hormone is being produced while you sleep. But if you don't get that sleep, then you have Houston a problem. And so the reason why a lot of people today are not able to get sleep. Restful sleep is one thing and they are suckers. They're energy suckers, they're nutrient suckers. They are vitality drainers, and they eat your iron. No wonder why your hair is falling out. It's not just from aging and those are called parasites. So I don't know if you wanna spend more time in the mitochondrial space, Dr. Kyrin, but have   (28:57): Let's we got a few more minutes. Let's jump into parasites real briefly. And then we're gonna have to wrap up, but go ahead.   (29:03): Yes, parasites. So I say first to detox, your start to detox your environment. And at the same time, you can start to detox your body and then you can also start to detox the bugs. And so the reason why you have so many talkin your body, what many people don't realize about parasites is that we all have them. It's said that we're 98% bug. So we have a symbiotic relationship with parasites and it's not all bad. I want everybody to know that parasites are not all bad parasites have. In fact, on the bad side, killed more humans than anything else in human history. The average person has at least one infection inside of them. That is not healthy for us. The, the ideal ratio of healthy microbes to unhealthy microbes would be somewhere along the lines of based on the microbe, the human microbe project we've had around for now eight years, a good ratio is 80% good bug and 20% bad, but the average person has the opposite.   (30:05): And now we have more 80% bad and 20% good. So why is it, how did all of a sudden these parasites get so obese in our body? And the reason for that is because their job is to be the bottom feeders in your body. That's their job. We don't just catch bugs. We create them. That is so, so critically important because a lot of people want to say, you got me sick, or you got me sick or that, that dog or that horse. Sure. We pass parasites between animals and each other all day long. But when you have a strong immune system, you can fight them off. When you have a strong immune system, you can call them to action. So imagine when you have a party, you need a housekeeper to come and clean up this mess, right? Whatever, you cannot excrete properly because your mitochondria is off or your drainage pathways are not optimized.   (30:52): The parasites need to come up, but clean 'em up. So they go eat them up. They're the bottom feeders of the fish tank. And when they gobble up, they could grow to be hundreds. If not thousands of times, their size of their original body. They're like chia, pets. They get bigger. And what they clean up is the heavy metals and the environmental toxins and the mold and the Canda and the bacteria and viruses. Anything. We cannot excrete becomes property of the parasites. And then, and also they end up eating your nutrients. They end up eating your B vitamins, your magnesium, your vitamin D all these supplements that you take, that you're thinking they're going, where they need to go. They can't get in the cells, which are your cells. If they're going into these parasitic cells. So they also eat, like I said, your iron.   (31:35): And that's one of the primary things that, that helps us to create new hair. Right? And like, I, like I was mentioning earlier women over the age of 40, 80% of us have stagnant bile. 25% of us have some type of diagnosed or undiagnosed thyroid disease. Thyroid disease means your metabolism is sluggish mitochondria as absolutely sluggish. 80% of us have stagnant bile flow. What does that mean? Bile carries out fat sayable toxins out of the, the bowels, whatever does not get excreted. 95% of that bowel gets recirculated back up to the gallbladder. If the gallbladder then becomes the housing unit for all of these toxins, no wonder why we so many gallbladders being removed, right? It's not the gallbladder's fault. It's because toxin so drew, they are there to clean up the mess that we cannot excrete. So what we need to, to do is go, okay, again, start with mitochondrial, open up the drainage pathways.   (32:27): Think up to the parasites. When you go up to the parasites, you gotta start with those first two steps. When you go to the parasites, also get that when you go to kill them, they're releasing all of that toxic waste, Canda mold bacteria. So we also want to have, like I said, the toxin binder, which is the tea and fast food it's toxin binder that is very strong carbon based that attaches to that waste. And that, because now your, your elimination pathways are open, can carry that waste out and let them go. And there's all kinds of parasites. So there's a lot of people who are taking the IR. And I'm not saying the full word just in case, but they're taking a lot of things, thinking, check, I'm done. I take the IR or I take, you know, wormwood or I take clove, which is great. It goes after some of the eggs, but the, the best parasite cleanse is one that has a multidisciplinary approach, many different types of herbs to go after all the different life cycles, the parasites, every single one of us needs to go after this because it truly is the root cause of so many issues that people don't even realize today.   (33:25): It is so true. And we could talk about parasites for hours, days, weeks, long time. And I know everybody wants to hear more, but we do have to wrap up. So let's do that. We've got links for Diane in the show notes. She has a great event coming up that you may wanna participate in because hopefully you've gotten what we're saying. If you've been paying attention, you can't help it. And you've heard that we're swimming in the sea of toxins. They're in you. You've got to get them out. If you want any hope of having balanced hormones. You know, I, I always say the harm. The name of the podcast is the hormone prescription. I tie everything to hormones. So some of you are sitting there thinking Hurin, didn't tie this into hormones. So let me do that for you real quick, before we go.   (34:12): So toxicity feeds directly into your cortisol stress hormone. These are stresses, right? When you think of stress, you think, oh, you know, I gotta pay my mortgage. Oh my kids' new shoes. You think of life, psychosocial stressors, your body doesn't see it that way. It, yes, adds that, but it also takes blood sugar stress, which you've heard me talk about. And it takes toxicity stress. So it, you have toxicity, you've got a cortisol problem and that's gonna unbalance your insulin, your thyroid, your sex hormones. All right. So we did it. All right. So let's wrap up. Diane has a great event coming up for you where I think she's gonna guide you through all this. I don't know you guys right now ready? Like, okay, we get it, but we need a guide. Diane's gonna guide you through this. So tell them all about it.   (35:04): Yeah, absolutely. And, and what I'll say is that the full moon is the absolute, best time to go after parasites and people might be thinking, what do you mean the full moon? That sounds scary. I'm like, well, yeah, parasites in the body not being eliminated are absolutely scary. What they do, your hormones is absolutely scary. So we actually have them coming up in September. And so what, what I'm gonna say is September 27th, and then we'll probably have another one after that, just in case if you're listening to this, and if you're hearing this any other time later, then you you're gonna find out how to get ahold of me and do this on your own. Perhaps the thing with parasites around the full moon is that on the full moon, they increase your serotonin and they decrease your melatonin. So you might think, oh, serotonin, that makes me happy.   (35:44): No, it actually makes the parasites happy. And so that's why we are whacked out and we're not ourselves. And the melatonin drops, no wonder why you can't sleep. So that's another way it affects your hormones. And that's your firefighter to, to put out inflammation when you sleep is the melatonin. So there's a reason why many of the people I work with in this cleanse sleep better. They have more energy. Their hair starts to come back and all the things we talked about get reversed today. So that's coming up September 27th. If you guys buy one of the kits and, and what's gonna happen is I, I've never done this before in terms of a webinar and just hosting it. Like this is a compliment for, for the people who get a parasite full moon kit. So step one, like I mentioned is mitochondrial support sub two drainage.   (36:21): But if you are just like, just tell me what to do, Diane, there's gonna be a couple links below. I put together one kit that is the drainage kit. And then also the step two would be the parasite cleanse kit. So that is a full kit. And you actually save money by bundling them where it's a few supplements. These are supplements that work, they won't get mucked up on your body. So I would actually do that. There is one, that's just a standalone parasite kit, and you could do that. And that has four different supplements in it. Uh, the binder I mentioned in three different types of parasite herbs, but I would start with liver and it goes liver lymph and gallbladder flow. So you're gonna experience major openings, major poops, major releases, probably a lot, some weight loss, hormone optimization, because we do have one supplement in there that will actually help to support better sleep before you go into the parasite cleanse kit.   (37:10): So if you guys get either one or both of those kits, like I said, the duo kit has a $25 off when you bundle it together. And then we also have a special for Dr. Kirin too. If you use a special supplement, uh, or a special link below, uh, that she'll put, and then if you use the coupon code full moon, 10, you'll get an additional 10% off. And what that's going to enroll you to get is an invite to special invite for only people who are serious about this, a two hour webinar with me telling you exactly what to eat, exactly what to do exactly what not to do. That's a long list, but I'll tell you the main ones not to do so that we can ensure the greatest success for this go round. And in the future, you're gonna want your whole family to consider this. And one of you can do it. And then you can also guide people to do it later on, because this is how you become your own best doctor. Especially also having doctors like Dr. Karenna follow as well. So it's, don't worry. This is for people to start asking questions. If, if, if I have this condition or if I have this symptom of this, we all need to get rid of parasite. You guys. So this is   (38:09): Everybody needs to detox. Y'all, there's no question, but I have this, but I'm on this medication, but I have this medical problem. Everybody needs to detox. If you are human and you are on the face of this planet, living and breathing, you've got toxicity. You need to detox. We do have to wrap it up. Thank you so much, Diane. We will have all the links in the show notes, full disclosure that we do receive affiliate commissions or may for anything that you purchase. But as you guys have been following me for a long time, no, I will never give you anything that I don't think is amazing. Right? So thanks. Appreciate. It's not about the money. It's about you getting what you need and if we happen to make a living, so we can continue to do what we do then that's awesome. So any last words, Diane,   (38:59): Uh, thank you for being a, a light in the dark as an MD. That's bringing this to fruition because we truly can be our own best doctor. And it takes somebody really getting out of their ego to say, I'm not the only solution you are the solution. So I just wanted to honor you for bringing this topic forth, because it really is in my perspective and my experience and my own empathy and my own healing journey, the greatest way that we can not only get rid of the parasites in our body, but also raise our vibe so that we reduce parasitic energies that suck the life out of us. And that we wonder how we can think smarter, think more positive, attract more things that are beautiful in our life. You can only raise your vibe to the extent that you're getting the things rid of it out of, in you, out of your body so that you can start to thrive again. And it's, uh, it's a beautiful life cycle as above so below. And, uh, it's an inside out journey   (39:57): As within, so without, as above so below, thank you so much, Diane, everybody click the links and check it out. And it's just like living in your house. If it was a disaster, you would know it. You would clean it up if it was dirty, but it's on the inside and you can't see it and you don't know, but now, you know, so what are you gonna do about it? I really appreciate you all for joining me for another episode of the hormone prescription. And once again, don't let this just be infotainment, just more information that you take, and then you do nothing about really your health can change tremendously just by taking one step at a time. All you need to do is take the one step that's in front of you. So what are you gonna do with this information? And I would encourage you to check Diane's information and products out and her program. And you will know if it's right for you and if it is by all means, do it. And if it's not keeping, keep looking for the answers that are out there for you, because you deserve brilliant health at every age. And I'll see you again next week until then peace, love and hormones. 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    Is Caregiver Syndrome At The Root Of Your Hormone Woes?

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 20, 2022 46:34


    Do you have a case of the "caregiver syndrome?" You know, where you're so busy taking care of everyone else that you forget to take care of yourself?   If you answered yes, then you might be surprised to learn that this could be the root cause of your hormone woes.   That's right, according to world-renowned hormone expert, Dr. Venus Ramos, caregiver syndrome is one of the most common causes of hormone imbalances in women.   On this episode of The Hormone Prescription Podcast, Dr. Ramos shares her insights on how caregiver syndrome can lead to hormone imbalances and what you can do to fix it.   You'll also learn:   -The three most common symptoms of caregiver syndrome   -How caregiver syndrome can lead to hormone imbalances   -The top three hormones that are most affected by caregiver syndrome   -The steps you can take to be free of caregiver syndrome and restore balance to your hormones   -Exercise regimen, and other stress-relieving techniques that can help alleviate caregiver syndrome   -Weight loss tips   -And much more!   So if you think you might be struggling with your hormones and caregiver syndrome , then tune in to this episode of The Hormone Prescription Podcast. You'll walk away with the knowledge and tools you need to start feeling like yourself again.   (00:00): Dr. Ramos says, stay fit, be happy and lead with love.   (00:06): So the big question is how do women over 40, like us keep weight off, have great energy balance. Our hormones in our moods feel sexy and confident and master midlife. If you're like most of us, you are not getting the answers you need and remain confused and pretty hopeless to ever feel like yourself. Again. As an OB GYN, I had to discover for myself the truth about what creates a rock, solid metabolism, lasting weight loss, and supercharged energy. After 40 in order to lose a hundred pounds and fix my fatigue. Now I'm on a mission. This podcast is designed to share the natural tools you need for impactful results. And to give you clarity on the answers to your midlife metabolism challenges, join me for tangible natural strategies to crush the hormone imbalances you are facing and help you get unstuck from the sidelines of life. My name is Dr. Kyrin Dunston Welcome to The Hormone Prescription Podcast.   (00:59): Hey everybody. Welcome back to another episode of The Hormone Prescription with Dr. Kyrin. Thank you so much for joining me today. My guest, Dr. Venus, many of you saw on the Stop The Menopause Madness Summit, and you loved her. So I brought her on the podcast. She is an amazing woman who is a woman of many talents. Let me just say this she's very accomplished. You would never believe that she is the age that she is. She really looks like she's in her thirties and that's cuz she practices what she preaches. She has been a victim, if you will, or subject to caregiver syndrome all while being an elite fitness athlete. And she has thrived through that. Not only survived but thrived. And she's gonna talk to you about how you can start doing that yourself. Maybe you're in that sandwich generation, you've got older parents with health problems.   (01:55): You've got kids also, and that really can take a toll on your hormones and your health. If you're living it, you know what I'm talking about, or maybe you have family members who have lived it, it is a real thing. So I'll tell you about a Dr. Venus and then we'll get started. She's got some solutions for you. Dr. Venus is the biohacking and she's a board-certified physician of physical medicine and rehab. She has a thriving medical practice in California, and she's competed for 20 years as a national level fitness athlete. She's also a fitness trainer, and she's had clients ranging from single moms to professional athletes and an action film star. How exciting she's been a repeat guest on the TV series, the doctors, you might have seen her there , and she's been featured on several other shows, including NBC's today and American gladiators. And she contributes frequently to multiple health outlets, including I, her.com and oxygen magazine. She has a firsthand story of living through and thriving through caregiver syndrome. And we're gonna dive into it now. Welcome Dr. Venus, Hey,   (03:05): How are you doing?   (03:06): I'm doing great. I'm really excited to have you on today. You have such vast experience in so many areas. We had to talk about what to talk about, and I know that you'll weave all of your experience, knowledge and brilliance into the conversation, but I thought it's super important to focus on caregiver syndrome because this isn't something that I haven't ever covered in the podcast. It's part of your personal experience, and you have some great tips to help people. And so I thought we would dive into that first. And I'm wondering if you can talk a little bit about what caregiver syndrome is and a bit about your story.   (03:51): Caregiver syndrome in general is just all of the symptoms that you experience when you have a physical, emotional and mental exhaustion from caring for somebody. Now of course, this can be caring for a loved one, or it can be caring for someone on the job for people who actually act as caregivers. A lot of times people think about caregiver syndrome being a lot of the fatigue and the overall fatigue and lethargy that you feel when you are caring for an elder. But certainly caregiver syndrome could be for new mothers who are caring for their children. So caregiver syndrome can affect pretty much anyone when they are directly involved in caring for someone else.   (04:38): Okay. And so who's mostly affected by caregiver syndrome. What happens? Why does it occur and how might someone know that they're having this?   (04:48): Well, oftentimes, especially when you're talking about caregiving for a loved one, this is something that happens because you are so intent. You are oftentimes so emotionally   involved in making sure that your loved one is being taken good care of. Oftentimes you start to neglect those very important things that you must do in order to care for yourself, you will perhaps not eat as well. You don't dedicate enough time to relaxing and getting enough sleep on your own. These are things that often may happen because you're very concerned, which it's important to do so about making sure that your loved one gets the care that you want them to have. You may be feeling very exhausted. You may be feeling very frustrated. You may start feeling that you're noticing that your clothes are fitting more tightly because you simply are putting on more weight. These are all the things that can happen. You may be more irritable. You might notice that you are starting to become more irritable with taking care of your loved one. And that's actually something that I started noticing in my own life when I started taking care of my father. And that's when I knew immediately at that particular moment in time that I needed to make a change.   (06:09): Yeah, I remember a client. I had, we were working on her health. She had all kinds of cortisol problems. Her weight was going up. She was really struggling with that. Her doctor was treating her for anxiety and depression and then she was having trouble sleeping and with her sex drive and it was just all these things. And she really was the only one taking care of her mom, even though she had siblings. And when we talked about it, she was getting so much resentment that her siblings weren't helping her at all. She was just saying that she felt so put upon and she almost had become like a martyr and used it kind of that anger and resentment. And then her mom wasn't nice to her too. So put that on top. So there was a lot of conflict there. She was struggling sticking to the things that she knew she should eat to benefit her that were nurturing versus junk food.   (07:05): And so that was one thing that we talked about and she hadn't really seen this as a syndrome of any type, but she was the only one. So when we had the conversation about, wow, this is really common. It affects a lot of women in the 40 to 60 year old range. And it affects on men as well. And one of the ways that it often shows up is that people start having health problems themselves. And they don't realize how much of a stress, particularly on their cortisol, the actual physical caregiving, the emotional caregiving, the mental, the spiritual what a toll it's taking on them until they really talk about it and unpack it. And I find that it's not necessarily a common topic of conversation. Did you feel like that when you were going through it and as if you weren't supported by the public in general, it's not a topic of conversation. People didn't know what you were going through.   (08:07): Well, I thought for myself, I felt myself slipping into this hole or falling into it and staying there of apathy where I really didn't care about myself or my help. And I just kind of stayed in this pit. And for me it was almost like there was an element of shame to it as well, because this happened to me and my family because my father had a stroke as a rehab physician. This happens to be one of my specialties caring for, for stroke patients and making sure that their families are educated in what's involved in caring for a loved one who has stroke. So this is something that I specialize in and when it happens in my own family and I find myself very protective of my father, knowing that I know how things are supposed to go. So this is how it's going to go.   (09:03): And I need to watch to make sure that everything is going the right way. I became very involved in making sure he had the best perfect caregiving after his stroke. And of course, I'm the only one who can give that, right? Because I'm the doctor , I should be able to do this and no one else can do this. Only you Venus only you only me and being a fitness competitor as well. I had done this actually almost 20 years. I knew about nutrition. I knew about training. I knew how to stick to any nutrition and exercise program, despite whatever kind of crazy schedule I had, cuz I'd been doing this for 20 years. So me thinking I was the authority in taking care of a stroke patient and the authority in staying fit and healthy, I should be able to handle this no problem, but very quickly I began to just forget about myself because the work of maintaining my medical practice and making sure that my father was getting the perfect care from me was just too much for me to also squeeze in all of that nutrition and exercise stuff that I knew about as well.   (10:15): So that's where it started to become the caregiver syndrome, where I started neglecting some of my nutrition. I started neglecting the exercise that had become such a habit in my life. It was no longer a habit because my whole life kind of got flipped upside down into adding this whole other person that I was taking care of as perfectly as possible because I'm supposed to be the expert. So there was a, a bit of shame on my part in accepting the fact that this is where I had slipped to and fall into because I had held myself to a, a certain standard. So for me there was shame involved. But the thing that turned it around was that I was so tired. I was so exhausted. I had started gaining weight. I was sitting on the couch for just a little bit of a breather.   (11:07): When I heard my father ring the bell that calls for help whenever he needed something. And that bell triggered such a feeling of anger and frustration in me. And as I walked up towards his door, his bedroom door to take care of whatever he might need. I realized that there was this tension in my face that there was anger in my heart. And I realized I did not wanna enter that room, looking that way, feeling that way. Cuz I knew that was something he would certainly be able to sense and I never wanted him to feel like he was a burden to me. And that's when I realized I needed to do something to take better care of myself. So I didn't have those feelings. I didn't wanna feel frustrated, irritated, angry, or looked that way either.   (11:56): You know, I love that. And I think that sometimes what might be part of the difficulty with caregiver syndrome is that children and their parents can be, haven't worked through any conflict that they've had throughout their lives, that this situation could escalate it. And so I always encourage people in that situation to unpack any unresolved issues to iron them out so that they can be there for their loved one from a place of love and from a place of being grateful to have the opportunity to provide care in that way. This was part of my client's story. When we talked about it, she had a whole lot of unresolved resentment towards her mom. And so that was getting heaped on top of the fact that she really did come from a good place. She wanted to be there for her mom and she had all these unresolved issues. So when you take that and then the burden of having to spend so much time and energy every day, it really did get to a place where she was resentful of her mom every day. So was that the breaking point for you where you decided I have to do something different?   (13:09): It absolutely was. I knew that I did not what my father himself to fall into any kind of a depression again, I was kind of, for me, the motivating factor was love for my father. I did not. I wanted him to get the very best care and I felt like by ignoring my own care, I was not able to do that for him. That was really what I felt as my motivation, but it absolutely made me want to do something to get back on track for me. I had to start with just the simplest of things and all I did the very next morning was just get on my recumbent bike and I started just pedaling away for 10 minutes in the morning. The first thing I did, that's basically all I could   (13:54): Do. Okay. And so you had had a pretty rigorous health routine prior to all this and you had gone away from it. So you said, okay, what's one thing I can do today. You got on your RECU bike and how did that start changing things and what did you do next?   (14:12): Well, I really felt like it was important for me to do something, something that was more mobile than what I had been doing. And really that was how I started. I started with just 10 minutes a day. I slowly started to increase it by five minutes, 15 minutes. And then I went to 20 minutes. I just started becoming a little bit more mobile as I became more mobile and started increasing some physical activity. I felt myself feeling better and I felt myself even more motivated to do even more, which is of course the natural thing that happens in a human body when it becomes more physically active. So that's when I decided, okay, I've got this, I'm doing full half hour in the morning. Oh my goodness. I'm starting to get back there now. So let me start focusing on nutrition. So I decided I was just gonna start with, let me just focus on having the best breakfast that I can every morning and just make a healthier choice in the morning, rather than just stopping by to grab a coffee and donut on the way into the office. So that was my next step to just make a healthier choice for my first meal of the day.   (15:27): Okay. So little steps. And then what started to happen? What changed first?   (15:33): Again, more and more. I started feeling better. I felt like I was starting my morning off better. I had more physical activity now I was adding another element of eating healthier and that just again, one step at a time I started changing what I was doing. Then I started making better changes, healthier choices at lunchtime. And again, it was very, very simple to do. And then I was able to add some of the strength training that I was used to doing. Again, I was squeezing this in, but I was making a conscious effort to start adding strength training by doing just simple body weight exercises. And this was as simple as going to the kitchen and adding squat routine in right before I decided to do the dishes cuz I was squatting to load the dishwasher anyway. So again, there was just basic things that I was doing, but it would stimulate my brain to remember, okay, this is what I'm going to do now.   (16:35): Cause the other thing that's important to remember is I couldn't just jump into the gym and well I could have, but I couldn't just jump into the gym and return to that really rigorous and vigorous exercise routine that I had been used to when I was competing for fitness competitions, that type of routine likely would've led me to be extremely sore immediately after. And when that happens, it's super easy just to say, oh, forget this. I'm not going to exercise anymore. And that could delay you for another couple of weeks and it's easy to, to fall back off the wagon when you overdo it in the beginning.   (17:12): Mm-Hmm right. That's a great point. I'm just wondering on average, how many hours a day were you spending, helping your parents? I think that the amount of time that you spend really can put a crunch on your free time. So how much time were you personally spending and then how can someone proactively navigate this journey? If they know, oh, I'm gonna have to spend two hours with my parent every day and a half hour getting there and a half hour back. So that's three hours as it's gonna cut into their time. What information can you give people to help them consciously navigate this? So they don't end up having caregiver syndrome, but maybe they could avoid it.   (17:52): Absolutely. I think that it's really important to calculate how much care is really involved. If I had to add it all up, I would say at least six hours in the day I actually moved in with my parents. I had a home for both my mom and dad when they moved out to join me here in California and I moved into that home so that I could help my mom take better care of my father. I did have a caregiver to assist my father at something of course that we recommend for patients once they leave the rehab hospital after a stroke. So I did have a caregiver, but again, me being very overprotective, I felt like I wanted to oversee so much of it when the caregiver first came over. So there was an element of trusting the caregiver that was involved. And again, this was a lot to do with me, just recognizing that I didn't have to be the only caregiver who was there physically to make sure things were run perfectly. And again, this is all about having the right team around you, involving my mother, involving the caregiver, making sure that I'm comfortable with their knowledge, by giving them the appropriate training on how to provide that care. So understand how much time you do have in the day, how much time you can allocate and then work with a team of some sort, whether it's a hired caregiver, whether it's your family and work together so that you really trust each other to take care of the person that you want to make sure gets that care.   (19:41): Yeah, because if you don't take care of it, then it can end up in burnout. I guess it goes past just caregiver syndrome to caregiver burnout. And nobody wants that. My client was really on the verge of that. So now along with your career, as a physician and helping with your father and helping families who have, because you're in the rehabs medicine sector, you help families to rehabilitate and help their loved ones to recover. You're a fitness model for many years and you help people with weight loss and you have a lot of tips. And I think that people would love to hear, how did you maintain your weight and your health? I mean, we heard about you had slacked off a little and you started back on the bike and doing squats with the dishwasher. I could visualize that , I'm thinking, could I squat and load the dishwasher? I don't know. I'm gonna have to try it. and so what are some other things that people can do? Maybe they don't have a loved one that they're caring for, but they want to lose weight. And I know that's something you help people with, or maybe they have a lot of pressures. Maybe it's not a loved one. Maybe they just have a very demanding job or a lot of social activities or obligations. What are some of the main tenants that you give people to follow to help them maintain or lose weight?   (21:08): Well, I think that especially coming outta the whole caregiver syndrome life that I had and trying to resume some semblance of self care, I realized how important it was to have a lot of that knowledge that I had prior to that in really optimizing my fitness level for competition and being able to squeeze that into a busy work schedule. So being able to have that knowledge was certainly really important for me in resuming any kind of training of any kind. And I think that it's important to really understand how to negotiate, that, how to fit a fit lifestyle into a busy schedule. And that's what I like to do for all of my clients and even my patients when I'm trying to encourage them to incorporate exercise and nutrition into their life, because of course doing that can help my rehab patients and my pain management patients that I see in the office as it decreases inflammation in the body.   (22:16): So probably the number one tip I start off with for everyone. And we've touched on this a little bit already, is to make sure that you are managing your cortisol levels, that you are managing the stress in your life because it's so very important because cortisol and all of its pathways that it acts on in your body can do so much to basically counteract anything that you're trying to do in terms of staying fit and being healthy and losing weight. If that is your goal. So start off with a very specific plan on being able to manage that. And a lot of that, I tell people as they're about approaching any kind of a health and fitness plan, they get concerned about, oh, I need to do an hour of cardio a day. I need to be prepping all my meals. I need to know exactly how many calories of this I'm doing.   (23:15): I need to make sure I'm, there's so much that they get worried about that. They become overwhelmed with their diet and their nutrition and you get these spikes of cortisol and then your cortisol levels remain high and there's no balance there. And then they're struggling trying to figure out why is this not working? Well, you're all stressed out. it's not gonna work out if you're not, if you're all stressed out. So definitely having a, a plan to manage that is gonna be very important right off the bat. Even if you're starting with a very simple, deep breathing exercises sometime during the day on a daily basis, that at least is a starting point. The other thing I like to talk a lot about is making exercise manageable, cuz I think these are the things that are often hard for people to do because they say, I need to spend that hour on the treadmill, but it's not necessary to do that.   (24:12): You can start with just breaking it up into 10 minute chunks in a day, cuz you can get health benefits from that that's been shown. But what I like to do when you're really ready to take on more and get a little bit more intense with your exercise regimen, I like to tell people about doing high intensity interval training. This is something that people have heard a lot about. They've heard about interval training hit is often what it goes by high intensity interval training. But what I do notice is a lot of people don't really know what that is or they're doing it because they heard that it's what they're supposed to be doing. And then when I see what they think is a hit routine, it's not . So I think that education about that is, is really important. And the reason why hit has become so popular is because it can be done in shorter amounts of time. You can achieve really good benefit towards weight loss by doing a hit routine. But if you're not doing it correctly, then you're not getting the benefits that you think you're getting really intense exercise in short periods of time. And that short period of time is often the appeal that you're able to get. Mm-Hmm a good workout in such a short period of time. And   (25:30): So when you say they're not doing it right, can you tell people, cause some people are listening and going, am I doing it right? Tell, so tell us Dr. , how do they know?   (25:39): Well, high intensity interval training when you're speaking of any kind of interval training you're you're talking about exercising at a very high intensity and then breaking it up, alternating it with exercising at a lower intensity so that you're exercising a lot of people. If you're talking about even doing sprints, running on a treadmill, basically running at a high level on a treadmill and then slowing it down and going to more of a moderate level on that treadmill, just breaking that up and going back and forth. That's interval training. Now, if you are doing high intensity interval training correctly, that means that you are performing as high and as maximum of your performance level as possible. When you hit that high interval and then going to your low interval, you have to do that low interval for a long enough period of time that your body is able to recover, recover enough that you can truly reach that maximum potential.   (26:42): Again, when you are exercising, I often see people doing intervals with a ratio of maybe let's say 30 seconds, that you're exercising at a high intensity for 30 seconds. And then you're going back down to a lower intensity for another 30 seconds. Then you go up to a higher intensity again for another 30 seconds and you're alternating back and forth. Now in general, most people are not gonna be able to get full recovery, to be able to achieve that high intensity, that maximum intensity in just 30 seconds. That's just a one-to-one ratio in order to do high intensity interval training that you would generally need to spend more on the line of a one to two or as even as long as a one to six ratio. So if you're going to be doing a high intensity for 30 seconds, most people are gonna need a full 60 seconds of a lower intensity to get enough recovery time to hit that maximum potential again on their next high intensity interval. So it's the ratio. That's gonna be very important.   (27:48): So if people are going to some type of gym where it's a workout, that's being given to them, how can they know if it's true hit or not just by the length of the intervals and the capacity that you're using? (28:03): Exactly. It's for the most part, you're going to really, it's really a sense of feeling for themselves if you're going to a class and they're basically telling you what your inner world should be. This is often what most people find themselves in will go to a class. Perhaps it's even a cycling class and they wanna do some high intensity interval training. It's harder to do that in the class setting because everyone's recovery time is gonna be a little bit different. So what you are actually doing, if you're not getting full recovery, if you're not feeling that you're recovered enough and we can talk a little bit about this more, but that's gonna actually have to do with what your heart rate is at that time. And starting to know what those heart rate ranges are for you. Mm-Hmm , if you aren't fully recovered during that lower intensity interval, then if your group instructor takes you to a higher intensity again, right away, what you are actually doing is more of an aerobic workout.   (29:02): There's nothing wrong with doing an aerobic workout. Just know that the benefits that you're gonna get are gonna be different than a high intensity interval training. Most people wanna do that high intensity interval training because it's going to kind of keep their metabolism burning more fat for a longer period of time throughout the day when they're not exercising. That's one of the benefits that people love about high intensity interval training that the, the fat burning continues when they're not working out. You're not necessarily gonna get that if you don't get that recovery time. So if you're being led into another high intensity interval before you're fully recovered, just know that you are getting an aerobic exercise class and that's not necessarily a bad thing. Aerobic exercise is good for you too.   (29:49): Yeah, right. Yes. So get, I mean hit training and intermittent fasting. You can't go wrong doing both of those actually. And then what about weights? Cause I'm sure that's a part of your routine as well. And I think so many women are extremely confused about weights. I think a lot of women avoid them altogether. They go to resistance training. No, I don't do it. I see other women who use two and five pound weights, which in my humble opinion is probably not enough stress on the muscles than what's needed. And I think people are just confused. So help enlighten us   (30:29): Well again, this is something that's gonna be very, very individual for the person numbers are going to change depending how strong you become. As you continue to work out, you hopefully will continue to get stronger and be able to lift heavier weights. Oftentimes what I will tell people is to just start counting their reps because that's the repetitions because that's really the easiest way to start tracking how much weight you should be using when you are working two strength training and that resistance training. That's going to work on really toning your muscles. I'm not talking about bulking up your muscles because bulking is gonna require a lot of fine tuning of your nutrition. Again, that's another discussion. We can save, save that for a little bit, but just to get that really toned physique and stronger muscle structure, which is also very important for the human body.   (31:27): Your repetitions really should not be going any longer than about eight repetitions. When you do eight repetitions of any exercise, we'll just go with the most basic exercise I can think of right now, which is the bicep curl. You grab a weight, you start doing it up and down, up and down. You count to eight. If that last script is really difficult to do, and you might not be able to do another one without some sort of an assistance, then that amount of weight, the weight of that dumbbell is appropriate for you to do true strength training. You've done eight repetitions and you are about maxed out. You wouldn't be able to do another one unless you really had some assistance. That is the right wait for you to use in strength training. At that time, of course, as you get stronger, you might start being able to go higher.   (32:19): You might be able to reach 10 without, before someone would have to assist you. If you were at 10, then that means you need to grab a heavier weight and go even higher. So that's the point where you would start increasing the amount of weight you're getting. If you are going more than 10, 11, 12, again, that is rate you are still gonna gonna be getting some sort of a workout, but you're going to be achieving different things. When you're getting up to 10 to 15 repetitions while holding a weight that is going to be conditioning for your muscles, but you're not really gonna be doing the strength training that is going to help in terms of really shaping your body.   (33:00): Okay? And I know some people are wondering, I think one of the reasons why many women use lower weights is they're afraid they're going to bulk up, which has not been my observation. That that's a problem and loss of muscle and bone mass is those are two of the hugest contributors to deterioration of our health. As we age contributing to cognitive decline, osteoporosis, hip fracture, all kinds of things. But I know there are some women listening who are like, okay, he you're, you've done fitness modeling. You know how to get that, but really nice muscular definition. Tell us your secrets. So please share your secrets with them.   (33:40): Well, again, it's going to depend upon how much muscle you really wanna show. Some people really like that define the little Deloid cap on their shoulders. Some people don't, again, it's a matter of your personal preference in terms of what you want your body to feel like. And of course it also happens to matter on what your body is naturally going to develop. There's a lot of genetics involved as well. However, when you're working out, if you see that when you're doing eight pound repetitions, that your muscles are really starting to take shape, then you're doing great in terms of what your exercise is going to be able to do. If you're doing the eight repetitions and you're not really starting to see the shape that you're liking, that may be an indication that your nutrition is often your muscles. Aren't getting all of the nutrition it needs in order to appropriately shape your body.   (34:35): Oftentimes that involves the protein that you're taking in. So this again differs from person to person, but you can think about numbers along the lines of three quarters of a gram to one full gram of protein. When you're talking about how much protein that you want on a daily basis on your compared to your body weight. So when you're getting that much protein in, then you're talking about the body builders, I'm super heavy type of diet. That's going to get you that bulk, most women are not taking that much. So you would only need to take more along the lines of a quarter to half of a gram, if you wanted to just get more shape.   (35:26): So just to translate and clarify what you're saying for people, women who want to bulk up like a body builder, they would take a gram protein for pound of body weight. So if you're 150 pounds, you eat 150 grams of protein, but if you just want, have average muscle mass, it would be about half, half that or five grams. Yeah. Correct. All right. Just wanted to, so   (35:49): There's a lot of, again, there's a lot of fine tuning of your nutrition when it comes to bulking up. And if you're not getting that huge amount of protein, as well as carbohydrates, there's a lot of hydrates into doing that as well because your body needs fuel to build that much muscle up as well. Most women are simply not going to eat that mini grams of carbohydrates and protein in order to bulk up to that body Boulder level. So I wouldn't necessarily worry about doing that, but you may be just needing to increase your protein level more. If you see that your muscles aren't taking the shape that you would like.   (36:27): I had a medical assistant who worked for me a few years ago and she did bikini competitions. And I had no idea how much work went into preparing for that. It was a real lesson for me. I mean, her diet was so regimented so far out from the competition, but week by week as to the macronutrient proportions and grand, she had to eat and her work out schedule, it was really an extra part-time job. And she was a wife and a mom. I mean, she looked amazing, but I think a lot of us, when we see women in these competitions, at least I used to think, oh, she's born that way. It's her genetics. And you know, it's really not a big deal until I saw that this is an entire part-time job for her. It was very strict, very regimented. And it was emotionally challenging. Also I saw the pressure on her, but she loved it. So ,   (37:28): It's definitely for someone. And if you can handle that type of pressure and that type of stress, then certainly go for it. But that's, again, that's very much of an athlete's mentality yes. To, to compete at that level. And again, you don't need to do that in order to look great and be healthy. So you don't need to compare yourself to those athletes.   (37:52): Yes. Athletes, and that's the right word. And then they're in a different category. Cause I don't look at football players and think, wow, that's so regimented, how good do that? You know, I, but I give myself a break. I don't have to be like the bikini or fitness competition women. So as we wrap up, we've covered two very important topics. And there's one thing we topic we haven't covered on that applies to both that. I think we'd be remiss if we didn't touch on and that is sleep. Can you talk about the importance of sleep for not only weight loss and maybe you preparing for your competitions, but for preventing and treating caregiver syndrome and burnout?   (38:31): Oh my gosh. Sleep is so important in absolutely every single thing that you mentioned, it's important in terms of preventing caregiver syndrome, preventing that burnout simply because your body needs that recovery time. So very important. The recovery that you get during the night to actually fuel yourself during the day is so important to making sure that you are physically and mentally still able to thrive during the day. So absolutely must be able to do that. It's also important because if you are trying to do something like lose weight, there are various hormonal changes that occur specifically during your sleep that can affect your ability to do that. Of course, we talk about recovery and your body being able to refuel itself during the evening times, but there's also specific changes that happen in terms of your appetite, hormones lectin and Graylin. And oftentimes those hormones change such that you start to want to eat more, that appetite hormone that makes you want to eat more.   (39:48): That starts to go up when you're not getting enough sleep. So you need to get enough sleep so that you don't have these cravings of wanting to eat when you are awake. So that is another important thing. I really think that sleep in it in and of itself is important in terms of duration. But it's also important in terms of when you're getting that sleep, there are different cycles that your body goes through different cycles of sleep that your gut body goes through when you get your rest. And when you're able to sleep earlier in the day, then you're going to get more of that restorative sleep. That's really going to help you during the, the morning and the rest of the day. So if you're able to fall asleep a little bit earlier in the evening, I say, get maybe even two to three hours before midnight, you're able to do that. You're gonna end up getting more restorative sleep. As far as duration goes, there are a lot of different opinions, a lot of different research based on all of the different research that I've looked at. The minimum number that I'm looking at is around seven and a half hours of sleep. So that's my recommendation in terms of how much sleep you should be getting so that you get the benefits of the recovery time, the restorative effects for your body B and the changes in your appetite that they don't happen as well.   (41:15): Yeah, seven and a half hours at least earlier better. And I know some women say that they wake up early and then I say, well, what time are you going to bed? And they say 11 or 12 o'clock well, if you get bed earlier, you might stay asleep longer. But I think that's super important. What you mentioned about the leptin and grillin changing with sleep, and when you're sleep deprived, then you get cravings, food cravings, and nobody wants that. And for caregivers, you know, it is so cortisol, restorative, you detox during your sleep and with their, especially your brain detoxifies, you also consolidate memories. So sleep, I call it the nectar of life. And if you're not getting enough nectar in your life, you need to get more sleep nectar.   (42:02): I love that it will help   (42:04): it will help your way. It will help if you are in a crunch for care syndrome or burnout, but even just for all of us who have such full lives right now, I D know about U Venus, but between my phone and my iPad and my computer and the mail and all the things that are going on in the it's like, it feels a little overwhelming how you feel that way right now.   (42:29): Definitely. Which is why I definitely my time away from my electronics   (42:35): Yeah, just shut it all down. And I had to do that earlier today. Just go for a walk in nature, look at the dragon flies and the trees and the birds. And so anyway, this has been a great conversation. I think it we've covered a lot of important topics. You're such a role model for women everywhere. You accomplish so much, and you do it with such style and equanimity, everybody listening. I've been around Dr. Venus, and she's just the most calm, humble, loving person. You would never know that she's accomplished all the things that she's accomplished and that she helps so many people. And I think you just walking in the world, being who you are, inspires women and people everywhere to do their best and live their best lives. So thank you so much for coming on the podcast and sharing your wisdom and your story, a very personal story and everything that you have to offer. Thank you so much.   (43:37): I do appreciate that. And thank you. You've lifted my spirits today.   (43:42): and we do have a free download that Dr. Venus has for you. We will have the link in the show notes and it is her. Do you wanna tell them a little bit about it? 15 minute, better body blueprint. What are they gonna find there?   (43:59): You're going to find some very simple steps. There are actually five hacks that you can add to your daily life that you can accomplish with just 15 minutes of your day. That will help you be healthier, hopefully happier because you are healthier and feeling really, really good. So I think that it's gonna be super helpful for you if you're really wanting to achieve that, that better body and you're crunched for time. So just gimme 15 minutes. I'm not asking for that whole, all the treadmill,   (44:30): Just gimme 15 minutes. okay. Now, before we go, I have to share something. I just saw on the prep sheet that I did not see before, and I cannot believe this. So one of the things Dr. Venus put on the prep sheet is that we could talk about her returning to competition at age 50. There is no way you are 51st off. Oh my gosh. So y'all you must load download her better body blueprint. Cause literally we've been at masterminds together and I thought she was 30 years old. So now I just saw this. I didn't see at age 50. So you for sure. Wanna check out her tips. Thanks so much for joining me, Dr. Venus. Thank you. And thank you all for joining me for another episode of The Hormone Prescription Podcast with Dr. Kyrin. I'm so glad you chose to spend some time with us today. Hopefully you learned something that you can put into action in your life to start moving your health towards the optimum health that you deserve. It is your birthright. So hopefully it was entertaining, but mostly educational and inspirational. Pick one thing, take action today, and then share your results with me on social media. And until   (45:51): Next week   (45:52): I will see you. Peace, love and hormones. Y'all   (45:55): Thank you so much for listening. I know that incredible vitality occurs for women over 40. When we learn to speak hormones and balance these vital regulators to create the health and the life that we deserve. If you're enjoying this podcast, I'd love it. 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    Delay, Dont Deny: Living an Intermittent Fasting Lifestyle

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 13, 2022 48:47


    Do you want to improve your health and lose weight? Are you tired of feeling sluggish and bloated? If so, then it's time to try intermittent fasting!   Intermittent fasting is a powerful tool that can help you reset your metabolism, burn fat, and improve your overall health. But it can be tough to get started.   That's why we're excited to have Gin Stephens on the show today.   Gin Stephens is the author of the NY Times and USA Today bestseller Fast. Feast. Repeat., and Delay, Don't Deny: Living an Intermittent Fasting Lifestyle, an Amazon #1 best seller in the weight loss category, as well as Clean(ish): Eat (Mostly) Clean, Live (Mainly) Clean, and Unlock Your Body's Natural Ability to Self-Clean (2022), another Amazon #1 bestseller in several categories. Gin has lived the intermittent fasting lifestyle since 2014, losing over 80 pounds. She is the host of 2 top-ranked podcasts: Intermittent Fasting Stories and the Life Lessons podcast (w/Sheri Bullock). You can join her private community by going to ginstephens.com/community.   Gin will share her secrets for success with intermittent fasting, including how to overcome obstacles, what to eat (and what not to eat), and how to make fasting a sustainable lifestyle.   In this episode, you'll learn:   ► The benefits of intermittent fasting   ► How to get started with intermittent fasting   ► How to overcome obstacles to success   ► What to eat (and what not to eat) while intermittent fasting   ► How to make intermittent fasting a sustainable lifestyle   So, if you're ready to learn how to lose weight, feel great, and take control of your health, then this episode is for you! Tune in now and start your journey to better health today.   (00:00): So the big question is how do women over 40, like us keep weight off, have great energy balance. Our hormones in our moods feel sexy and confident and master midlife. If you're like most of us, you are not getting the answers you need and remain confused and pretty hopeless to ever feel like yourself. Again. As an OB GYN, I had to discover for myself the truth about what creates a rock, solid metabolism, lasting weight loss, and supercharged energy. After 40 in order to lose a hundred pounds and fix my fatigue. Now I'm on a mission. This podcast is designed to share the natural tools you need for impactful results. And to give you clarity on the answers to your midlife metabolism challenges, join me for tangible natural strategies to crush the hormone imbalances you are facing and help you get unstuck from the sidelines of life. My name is Dr. Kyrin Dunston. Welcome to The Hormone Prescription Podcast.   (00:53): Hey everybody. And welcome back to another episode of The Hormone Prescription with Dr. Kyrin. Thank you so much for joining me today. I have a special guest you're gonna love when I met her recently at one of our masterminds. I loved her immediately and you will too. She is a wealth of knowledge and just so warm and relatable and has such a gentle way of making what I can kind of make really complicated, pretty easy and simple to follow, which is a gift. So I'll tell you a little bit about her, and then we'll get started. Gin Stephens is the author of the New York Times and USA Today Best seller, Fast. Feast. Repeat., and Delay, Don't Deny: Living an Intermittent Fasting Lifestyle, an Amazon number one bestseller in the weight loss category, as well as Clean(ish): Eat (Mostly) Clean, Live (Mainly) Clean, and Unlock Your Body's Natural Ability to Self-Clean (2022), another Amazon. Number one best seller in several categories. Jen has lived the intermittent fasting lifestyle since 2014, losing over 80 pounds. Choose the host of two top rank podcast, Intermittent Fasting Stories and The Life Lessons podcast with Sheri Bullock. And you can join her private community by going to ginstephens.com/community. Welcome Gin.   (02:18): Well, so nice to see you. Good to be here with you today.   (02:22): Yeah, I'm so excited to have you here. And we are doing a live podcast interview with masterclass. So some of the ladies from my midlife metabolism programs are here and they're gonna get to listen and watch live and then ask questions later, which is a super fun benefit of being in my programs. So I think they'll really enjoy that. So how did you get started with intermittent fasting? It sounds like you were overweight. What was going on for you?   (02:54): Yeah, I was actually obese and , it's a hard word to say, right? I was 210 pounds at five five, and you know, I have a long weight loss, weight loss story, just like so many people do that involves lots of years of yo-yoing, right? Probably most women and men these days can relate to that. And I was always looking for a way to lose the weight and keep it off for good, but it never happened. You know, I, I thought about this recently and it just struck me, you know, I've been at my goal now since 2015, I've been in the same goal range, wearing the same clothes. This is the first time I'm 53. I just turned 53. This is the only time in my life from birth that I have maintained a stable weight for a period of time. Cause you know, the first, you know, whatever it is, 18 years you're growing.   (03:42): So I was growing and then right for the next years I was yo-yoing. I mean, there was always a time when every year I was getting bigger than I was dieting, then I was gaining and I was losing and it just kept going. And like probably so many people listening the yo-yo years get, get higher. Right. You lose some, then you gain more, then you lose a little, then you gain more. And so that's pretty much what happened to me. You know, I did all the things starting from my first diet. Really. I was counting calories during college. Like so many of us were mm-hmm and my first like real diet though, I think was the low fat era. When I graduated from college, it was the early nineties. So I started with the low, low fat loss. A lot of weight, looked awful, ate a lot of snack Wells oh my gosh.   (04:29):I remember those. And also, do you remember SpaghettiOs had zero grams of fat, zero grams of that 11 on spaghetti and snack Wells, which is certainly not what, what they meant with eat low fat. Right. But that's what I was doing. Probably most people too, but I just kept trying everything over the years, you know? And it got wackier and wackier from the HCG diet lost a lot of weight gained even more back. I took doctor prescribed diet pills. It was super get those. They'll give 'em to you. You lose the weight long as you keep taking 'em. Right. But that was no good, but it basically, I trashed my metabolism with all of those diets. Now I first heard about intermittent fasting, probably around 2009. You know, I was the person that would go to the Amazon weight loss category and look at all the books that were bestsellers and see what people were doing.   (05:21): And I would buy them. And actually I would first read the comments, right? What everybody said on Amazon, looking for that next best diet. So it's no surprise that I stumbled upon intermittent fasting and I would dabble in it here and there from oh nine to 14. But you know, we didn't know anything about it. Back then. Mm-Hmm everyone who was writing about intermittent fasting in the early days all said it works cause you're eating fewer calories. So here are some ways to eat fewer calories through intermittent fasting. And there was like a five hour window that was Dr. Burt hearing's fast five plan. There was alternate daily fasting. You could do. You were having a down day followed by an up day. You know, one day you did it one day, you didn't. And but every single plan talked about, it's just calorie restriction in an eating window or every other day.   (06:08): So I would dabble in it. But you know, I didn't understand so many things. I know now I didn't understand about insulin. I didn't understand about being metabolically flexible and what that means. And so I dabbled and my body never became adapted to fasting any of the times that I tried it. Cause I didn't give it long enough. Mm-Hmm I also didn't understand something. I now call the clean fast, which you can talk about a little bit later, but basically I lived in the hard part and it never got to be something that felt easy or good mm-hmm so I just kept dieting and all those years still wasn't doing well until finally in 2014, I went on a family cruise and we were in the Caribbean for seven days. It was a wonderful trip, but I looked at the pictures of me with my family and like those formal night pictures on a cruise ship.   (06:59): Mm-Hmm yeah. I was like, who is that in the picture? I looked like myself, but like inflated, like someone had put a pump in my mouth and my whole body just felt inflated. And I remember on that trip, we did this wonderful excursion where we were hiking up the Mayan ruins and it was really hard to carry my body, which was 80 pounds heavier than it is today. Up those Mayan ruins up those steps. I was like, I just can't do this. And so I was just miserable the whole time. So I came back home and said, this is the time I've gotta do something. Well, I turned to HCG one more time. and of course, you know, I was like, I can't do this ever again. I can't do this ever again. So I quit that. And that summer, August of 2014, I found my way back to intermittent fasting for the last time.   (07:43): Meaning that I stuck with it. There's the difference. I stuck with it and I never quit doing it. And so I wanted to lose 75 pounds. I lost those 75, went on to lose about five more. And I've been maintaining the loss since 2015, which is wow. Astonishing. Because like I said, I had never been the same weight season after season after season. So that's, what's, what's changed for me is maintenance has been, you know, pretty easy. My honesty pants get a little tight. I know what to do. You know, I've now been through menopause. I went through that at 51 and yeah, my body just keeps feeling great and intermittent fasting is not so secret.   (08:27): Well, not so secret secret, that sounds like a book. So I know everybody will dive into the details, but I know some people are thinking really Jen, you didn't exercise and work out at the gym, like crazy. Really Jen, you didn't, you know this, that or the other, none of that.   (08:43): No. And you know, really, I've never been someone who loved to do a lot of exercise. And interestingly enough, I had my DNA analyzed through 23. Me ran it through a couple of different third party websites. That'll tell you things about yourself. I was so not surprised when it came to exercise, my DNA report said not likely to lose weight with exercise and some people get the opposite. Some people have a genetic profile where exercise is required for them to lose weight. But for me, I mean, I, I do exercise. Don't get me wrong. I'm now doing water aerobics. We just moved. I do water aerobics every single day that I can get to it. And I'm an active person. I'm not sedentary, but exercise has never been that. Like I never once started an exercise program and bam, the weight came off. It's always had to be something else.   (09:30): Right. Okay, great. So let's dive into it. You talked about when intermittent fasting first came out, there were different people with different plans and you kind of bopped around and tried different ones. Mm-Hmm talk about what was the plan that you initially started with? Are you still with that? What are the details kind of, and then also maybe break down some lingo. I think hopefully most people have heard of intermittent fasting so they know what you're feeding window needs, right? You're fasting interval, things like that, but maybe they don't so feel free to fill in the basics. I'm always doing the podcast as a listener and some people are gonna be newbies and others are gonna be experts. So I try to keep them all along for the ride. So feel free to detail us.   (10:13): All right. Well the most common intermittent fasting approach is the daily eating window approach, which is formally known as time restricted eating, which some people like a lot better because you know, the word fasting is a little scary. You know, I didn't make this up. There's a saying that that goes along with fasting and it's brilliant. And the saying goes like this diets are easy in contemplation, but hard in execution. Right. You know, we've all like thought about a new diet, oh, this is gonna be fabulous. But then we crash and burn. Cause it's really hard to keep up a restrictive diet long term. Well, fasting is completely opposite. Fasting is hard in contemplation, but it's easy in execution. It only sounds like it's gonna be hard. You know, what was really hard was all the diets that I was doing when I was eating, you know, small meals all throughout the day that was miserable.   (11:02): The low calorie diets I did before. But with intermittent fasting, once your body adapts and you find what really works well for you and your body is metabolically flexible. Mm-Hmm you get to figure out what your ideal eating window is, what time of day that works best for you. We're not all the same. I have an evening eating window. Some of my foundations, I mentioned earlier with Dr. Burt, hearing's fast five approach and he's 19 five. That's what he did himself. And that was one of the very earliest. I think that was the earliest book out about eating windows. He just kind of figured it out and he didn't start eating till five and he had a five hour eating window. So that's fast five. He started five. You go for five now. Of course, that's not exactly how I do it. I don't wait till five to open my window, but that's what worked for him.   (11:50): So his program was wait till five, then have a five hour eating window. He's like, or you can move it around. However you want. Mm-Hmm , which is really what I did. So a five hour eating window is a great eating window length for me. And I feel better when I opened my window in the afternoon today I opened three 30 and I had like a little snack. And then I had dinner with my husband before we started talking today. We usually don't eat till around seven, but I ate a little earlier today just for y'all mm-hmm and, and my window is closed. So I probably had a three hour eating window today. And that's just how it worked because by the time we're done, I'm not gonna want to eat again. And I've had enough. I'm not hungry anymore, but it's a very flexible way to live.   (12:31): But just this morning, you know, you mentioned, I have a podcast called intermittent fasting stories today. I interviewed, I think it was number 249 on the podcast and she has a morning eating window. She opens her eating window at seven 30 in the morning and she has a light breakfast. And then she has a really hearty lunch around one o'clock then she closes her window and that's it. And then she fast till the next morning. So she has about a six hour eating window every day. And that works really well for her, but hers is in the morning. So, you know, if you hear people telling you, here's how you must do it, here's how you must structure your day. Here's when the best time to have it is ignore all that. My mission in life is to teach people that you're very much a study of one when it comes to how long your eating window should be, how long your fast should be, what you're eating and your eating window, all of that is gonna be very individual for you. And I want people to feel empowered, to experiment and find what feels right to them. I have a chapter in my book, fast FET repeat, and it's called tweak it till it's easy. And I mean that mm-hmm, , it's your role as someone who's trying something to tweak it until it feels easy till it feels like a lifestyle, because when you find what works best for you, it really does become an easy lifestyle.   (13:50): Yeah. I hear that from people I've tried it and my biggest challenge, and maybe we can talk about this a little cause I'm sure I'm not the only one is with the exercise. I work out a hard first thing in the morning. And what was happening is I was trying to open my feeding window in the afternoon and I was working out like a feed in the morning and I just started having, literally I noticed my skin sagging and then someone said to me, well, you're probably losing collagen cuz you're not getting enough protein cuz you're working out like that. I was like, you know what? That's true. And so how do you navigate this with exercise?   (14:29): Well, again, that is you haven't found your sweet spot. You, that was obviously not your sweet spot. And also I would like to ask when you were fasting, were you fasting clean? What were you having to drink during the fast   (14:42): Water?   (14:43): Okay. Just water. Well then that's good. That's that's important. Cause a lot of people are not. So I wanted to throw that out there, but you know, it sounds to me like perhaps with the amount of working out that you were doing waiting until afternoon to open your eating window was not your sweet spot.   (14:59): Right?   (14:59): You gotta squeak. It feel it's easy.   (15:01): But my challenge is so I need to eat because I'm gonna go work out, but I'm really not hungry until, so it's like,   (15:10): Well, so the issue was the skin sagging and that was it.   (15:14): No, I also didn't feel good. Okay.   (15:16): Well if you didn't feel good then that's not a good sign. You wanna feel good? Yeah. Cause the key is you wanna feel good, but like for me, and I guess I'm doing water aerobics. That's not maybe as intense as what you're doing, but a lot of people in the fasting community are able to work out hard and then keep asking for hours. How long were, did you try it? How long did you give it?   (15:35): Oh gosh, I'd have to look back. But it was for a few months.   (15:38): Okay. Okay. Yeah. Well by then, you know, you would expect that you would be adapted by then. So it sounds like to me, perhaps your eating window, wasn't best for you to wait till the late afternoon.   (15:49): Yeah. So I know that's one thing I struggled with. I've heard other people talking about it too. And then the other concern I know a lot of people have, maybe you can speak to, this is getting enough protein in, in a shorter eating window.   (16:04): You know, that's an interesting question. We do get that a lot. And something to keep in mind is not all of our protein needs have to come from the foods that we're eating. Now that might sound crazy. So let me explain. You've heard ology before, right? Yeah. Otology is our, body's basically it's our body's recycling and upcycling system, but I was an elementary teacher for 28 years. So I like to explain things in a simple way. It's our body's upcycling program. So when you're in the fasted state, your body is looking around, well, nothing's coming in, let's see what's around. And so your body breaks down old proteins and recycles them and can use those old proteins to build new things. So when you're fasting clean, now, if you're eating all day long, like breakfast, snack, lunch snack that actually Downes Autophy and downregulated Autophy, it gets worse and worse.   (17:01): The older we get mm-hmm . And so, you know, living in the modern world where we are eating all the time, most people are down regulated. Autophy leads to a lot of the problems that come along with aging. But when we're fasting, especially when we're fasting clean, we have increased Autophy. So Autophy is upregulated. We're better able to recycle those old junky proteins. So I'm able to build muscle. When I, when I just started doing my water aerobics in the past month or so since we just moved to a new, a new place, new neighborhood doing the water aerobics, I am building muscle, working out in the fasted state every morning, just doing that water aerobics. And I haven't increased the amount of protein that I'm eating, but I mean maybe I have without realizing it because I also am a big believer in the protein leverage hypothesis. Have you heard that that before?   (17:49): No. Talk about that.   (17:51): All right. Well, I can't remember who came up with a protein leverage hypothesis. Was it professor Nokes? I'm not sure Tim Nokes maybe, but basically it says that we have in our bodies, like we're a lot smarter than we give ourselves credit for our bodies, let us know what they need. So if you're not getting enough protein, your body is going to crave more protein until you give it what it needs. And so, you know, if, if you were like, you're eating and you're finding that you're unsatisfied, that might be your body saying, Hey, we need more protein. It's not gonna let you not get enough protein over time. And so, you know, when you think about what I said, auto, our body is recycling the protein plus during your eating window, if you are hungry for protein, we just really might not need also as much as we've been led to believe Dr. Jason fun. I'm sure you're familiar with his work. He has a great blog post about that. I think it's called how much protein is excessive or something. Mm-Hmm . And basically that people are always worried about not getting enough protein when really it's less of an issue than we realize.   (18:59): Okay. So is that something that you usually recommend that people track? How many grams of protein they're getting? Yeah. So it's more of an intuitive, let your body decide what it was. Well,   (19:09): You know, really, like I said, our bodies are pretty smart and I haven't noticed muscle loss. Like I said, I'm 53. I don't do anything harder than water aerobics. with my little weights in the water and I've not had trouble with muscle wasting and I've been doing fasting for years now and I was going to happen. It would've happened, right?   (19:29): Yeah. Oh yeah, for sure. Definitely would've but I know that's something   (19:32): That I have large communities and I left Facebook in early 20, 21 and we had almost half a million group members when I left. And one other thing about fasting is when, when you're fasting clean, we have upregulated human growth hormone. So when you have upregulated human growth hormone and you have a lot of apathy going on and you're nourishing your body well during your eating window, you're absolutely going to be fine. You know, if you do notice that, oh gosh, you know, maybe I'm losing a little muscle, just add a little 13, but you don't have to count it. It doesn't have to be that hard. We've got people doing all sorts of things in our community, building muscle, like crazy, just eating intuitively with their bodies and not counting in a single macro.   (20:17): Yeah. Let's dive into that. Cause we're so we come from that calorie counting culture, the macro culture and this many grams of this and this many grams of that. And people oftentimes will even say to me like, well, how many grams of protein carbs fats should I be getting and what types and they want, they want the rules and I'm pretty much an intuitive eater. So , but I will tell people if they ask, so what is your take on that? Well,   (20:45): I mean, how did people ever survive before we had ? I mean, right. I mean, like if you go back in time, you know, people were not like dropping dead from if food was plentiful, any environment in the world where food was plentiful, people just knew what to eat and how much to eat. Right. They did not make it hard. And if you go to like the blue zones, now that mm-hmm, , you're familiar with the blue zones. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-Hmm five pockets in the world. National geographic has researched them where people live to be over a hundred. If you walked into some of those blue zones and said, let's talk about macros. They would look at you. Like you're nuts. Those people are living to be over a hundred. They're not counting a single calorie. They're not counting a single macro they're living long and healthy lives. And there's a lot of factors that go together to make that happen. But they're eating real foods like their ancestors did. Mm-Hmm and they're not counting a thing.   (21:41): Right. And so that's how you usually teach and work with peoples just intuitively. But there are some people who would try that and they would go for the Hogan dos and the Ben and Jerry's and you know, all the things.   (21:54): Here's the beautiful thing about intermittent fasting. There's something we call appetite correction. And Dr. Bur hut hearing came up with that phrase as well. But it's just a beautiful phrase. And it means that your body will direct you to what you need as far as how much food you need. And also what you know, most of us find when we're intermittent faster, as you, you know, people may start off eating the standard American diet, but over time your tastes change. Yes. Weirdest thing, you actually tune back into your hunger and satiety signals. Our bodies do not count calories. Our bodies count nutrients. So when you are intuitive and you are not just cramming every emotion down all day long with food, like I'm gonna say, I used to do when I was obese, I was eating for morning till night, because of course that was also what we were told to do.   (22:46): We were told to eat breakfast within 30 minutes of your feet, hitting the floor and have frequent snacks, cuz that would boost your metabolism. That's what we were all told and how come I was 210 pounds. Right? I was doing all the things. And so I could not hear any signals from my body at that point. But now that I'm an intermittent faster, like, oh the Brussels sprouts look good. And so you may start off eating the standard American diet, but over time, it's amazing how your body directs you to like the first time you eat something that used to be your favorite thing. Like I can remember the first time I had a, a Starbucks, pumpkin spice latte after I'd lost the weight and been maintaining for a while. And that had always been my favorite, you know, when it was latte season and my window was open one day I was at target, there was a Starbucks in there. I'm like, I'm gonna have a pumpkin spice latte and my window was open. It's gonna be delicious. And I tasted it and I'm like, why does this taste like bug spray? This tastes awful. And I'm like, they have changed the recipe of no, they didn't change the recipe. my taste buds changed. The more real food you eat, the more you're fasting and living that lifestyle, your body just, it really changes in a way you just couldn't expect.   (24:01): Yeah. You know, for me it was CBOs. When I weighed 2 43, I would eat Cinnabons   (24:07): And those are not even good. Are they? I had one in an airport in like maybe 2018 cuz you know, it smelled so good. I was with my sister, we were flying down. It tasted like, like poison.   (24:18): Yes. Like poison. It tastes like chemicals,   (24:21): Chemicals. Exactly.   (24:22): Right. So I love the intuitive and I noticed for me, if I'm not stressed, I will intuitively eat very healthy things. And it's only when the stress comes that I want sugar.   (24:35): They're looking for soothing. Right.   (24:38): They're right. All right. So we talked about that. No macros, I loved what you said. That's a quotable. Our bodies do not cap calories counts, nutrients mm-hmm . And then in terms of, you know, you hear so many things, are you also recommending a flexible kind of intuitive window that changes all the time based on how you feel or do you find that people do better when they set it and stick to it? And   (25:07): That depends on the person that's gonna be very individual. There are some people that need more structure just because if it's too loosey goosey, then the next minute they're not fasting anymore. Right. Right. Like it's so flexible. They forgot to do it. So in fast Fe repeat, I have something called the 28 day fast start. And that is a period of time when people are, are learning how to do it. Your body is developing the skills that it needs behind the scenes to flip that metabolic switch to fat burning. And so that you're metabolically flexible. And so it is very much more like here is how you're going to do it day to day as your body is adapting. But then after those 28 days, that's where the tweak till a dizzy part comes in, and you start to figure out what works for you.   (25:50): And there's a lot to be said for mixing things up from day to day, you know, like one day, if you have a one-hour eating window, cuz you were super busy and crazy that day, but that doesn't mean you need to do that tomorrow. Tomorrow. You're probably gonna need a little bit longer. So we don't want to be too rigid and overs restricting for our bodies. So it's really like for me, I would just stick to, you know, as long as I have like a five-hour eating window, pretty much from day to day, I could move it around. When I was losing weight, that really worked well for me. Other people find they might need an eight-hour eating window. Maybe five hours is too restrictive, but someone else might find they need a four-hour eating window because they tend to overeat. If they eat for five, it just really is all about learning about yourself and responding to how it's going.   (26:35): I love that. That's something that I talk about all the time I called your body. She, you know, talked to her what she's gonna tell you what she needs, but we are so socialized out of listening internally and we're so externally directed. So it really is this re acquaintance. And it sounds like you are really teaching that too. Like your body knows what it needs and what it doesn't need. And if   (27:00): It doesn't feel good, it's telling you for a reason, there's something that is not feeling good. Like what you were doing before your body told you that was not working. That was not your asking protocol for whatever reason you hadn't found it yet.   (27:14): No, and I haven't, I haven't   (27:15): Tried it person.   (27:16): No, see that's a thing I'm not hungry till the afternoon, but I like to work out. So I haven't figured out how to fix that. So I just stopped doing it. I'm like, this is not working. I don't feel good. I'm not doing it, but   (27:29): I guess it might be hard for you to work out later in the day. Yeah.   (27:33): Yeah. It's a morning thing. So, well, I'll figure it out. I'm wondering you have this great podcast where people talk about their stories with intermittent fasting. Could you share some of your favorite stories from people you've had on the podcast?   (27:48): You know, one of the most fun that I've had that I enjoyed so very much, I talked to a guest and she had been on extreme weight loss that extreme makeover, weight loss edition, Jackie arena is her name. And she's been in my community from way back when we were on Facebook. She's been in my group now she's in my off Facebook, private community. And she told her story, she lost over 200 pounds. Mm-Hmm in a year of doing extreme makeover, weight loss edition. And she talked about, and it was fascinating to talk to her because when I wrote fast Fe repeat, I talked about weight loss and all of that. Are you familiar with the Minnesota starvation experiments that they   (28:28): Take? No, what's   (28:30): That well in the Minnesota starvation experiments, basically trying to figure out, you know, how much food do people need to live? What happens if we really restrict how much that people are eating? So they had these conscientious objectors who weren't fighting in world war II and they're like, we'll use y'all. And so they put 'em on this, like I think a college campus in Minnesota and they studied them and what these were men and they put 'em on 1500 or something calories a day mm-hmm , which we probably are like, that's just what you do. You eat 1500 calories a day, but they studied them on this. What they called that a starvation diet. And so it was fascinating. I, I write about this in the introduction to fast FEAS repeat, but it talked about all the things they went through. Like they started to become obsessed with food.   (29:13): They started to have feelings of wanting to bend and all these things that were happening to their bodies as they were restricting, restricting, restricting. And when I talked to Jackie, I mean it was like textbooks when the, the experiences that she went through going through that extreme weight loss, cuz it was basically just eat less and less and less and less. As you continue to lose that much weight, you have to just eat less and even more, less, more restriction, less and less and more and more working out. We've all seen those shows. And so by the end of it, I mean she had tanked her hormones. She was no longer having cycles. She had textbook. I mean obviously the Minnesota starvation experiment was men, but everything that they went through, as far as like on that, that starvation regimen she was going through and it took her years to get her hormones back in a good place.   (30:05): And so, I mean that just lets you know how dangerous diet culture is, but she, after that, you know, she regained weight obviously, cuz your body is fighting back mm-hmm whenever you have, you know, they also did the biggest loser studies did you? Right. I saw that one. That was so interesting. Similar kind of a thing. They restricted so much that everything's, their metabolism slowed down. And then of course, as soon as they couldn't keep up that level, bam here came the way back and then their metabolisms were slower than when they had started. Right. So it was just fascinating to talk to her. And then she found intermittent fasting how that has been completely different and how she has finally been able to lose the weight through intermittent fasting and found peace around food that, that she didn't have before. And it was just so interesting to hear the, all the theory basically she's lived it all the, the bad diet theory followed watching.   (31:03): She's a living example. She's a living example of every single theory that I talk about in fast fees, repeat of like, here's what they found. Here's what the research says. She's lived it and all of her experiences really show it. So I loved that episode. I mean, I've talked to, like I said, 249 today and most of them are just normal people. One that I really loved was Dr. Mark Matson. Are you familiar with his work? No, I haven't heard of him. You may have heard of his work and not known it. Do you remember in the end of 2019, when there was that big new England journal of medicine article about fasting, it came out on like December 26th, 2019 and suddenly, and fasting was all over the news. Yes. People were talking about how healthy it was. Well, Dr. Mark Matson was the author of that new England journal of medicine article.   (31:51): And it turns out he wrote it because a lot of doctors were having patients starting to come in to their practice and saying I'm doing intermittent fasting, but the doctors didn't really know a lot about it. So they were like, we need to know more about this. And so the new England journal of medicine reached out to Dr. Mathson and asked him to write that review article. So it's a review article. So it covers all the science, all the, the best information that's out there. And it was really amazing when that came out in 2019, because I was running these Facebook groups and when people would join, we're like, why do you wanna join? And people always said, I wanna lose weight. I wanna lose weight. But all of a sudden people started saying, I wanna get healthy. I wanna live longer. I wanna prevent Alzheimer's because suddenly the conversation was shifted and people realized intermittent fasting is a very healthy way to live.   (32:38): And I really credit mark Mathson for that. But he came on my podcast and intermittent fasting stories and talked about his story. And you know, he worked at John's Hopkins for his whole research career mm-hmm and he actually started doing intermittent fasting in the eighties wow. As grad student or something and just how he, he naturally gravitated towards, but he studied fasting and the effects on the brain, he's a neurological researcher, and you know, the anti-Alzheimer's properties and all the things like that and how it helps our neurological health in so many ways. But it was really fascinating to talk to him. And then everything in between just, you know, normal people who are fascinating. I've talked to doctors who live a lifestyle. I've talked to the mom next door, the dad next door. And I love talking to everybody because in 249 stories, everyone has something new to bring to the table to talk about how intermittent fasting has changed their life.   (33:31): I love that you mentioned something earlier about this starvation experiment, which I didn't know about. That sounds horrible. What is the difference with calorie restriction, where you're eating all the time and the food obsession and the wanting to binge versus having a shortened eating and a great   (33:52): Question. And I love that you asked it. Okay. So let's talk about how our bodies get fueled. Most people, especially now, if you look around, most people are carrying a whole lot of energy around in their bodies, right?   (34:04): a lot of energy equals fat. You're   (34:06): Carrying a lot of calories or like, like a calorie suit, right? People are wearing a calorie suit and those calories, if you can access them, the calories you have in stored fat, they provide great fuel for your body. And the key is you wanna be able to tap into those fat stores and use that energy. Well, that's where low calorie diets, where you're eating all day long. That's where it breaks down. We're not meant to eat tiny little amounts of food all day long, like a little drip, drip of a feeding tube or something. We're not meant to do that. And it has to do with the hormone. Insulin. Insulin is our storage hormone. And when insulin is high and when insulin levels are high, like if someone has insulin resistance type two diabetes, basically you have high fasted levels of insulin. Your insulin's high all the time.   (34:57): Insulin is anti lipolytic, meaning it locks down your fat stores. So when you have high levels of insulin all the time, you have a really hard time accessing your stored fat and burning it for fuel. We have all experienced that when you're doing the low calorie diet and you're having your tiny little breakfast and you're drinking your diet soda, and then you're having little snack. You are keeping your insulin high all the time. And I'll talk in a minute about why diet sodas do that and why they're not part of the clean fast, because they cause an insulin response. But in the meantime, your insulin is up, up, up all the time. You cannot tap into your fat stores very well. It's like they're locked away, right? So you are not well fueled. You're having a low calorie diet, but because insulin is high that the low calorie diet isn't fueling you and you can't get to your fat stores.   (35:47): So now your body has to, downregulate your metabolism, it's in a panic. Well now how fasting is different. Yeah. Once your metabolically flexible and you're fasting and you're keeping your insulin levels low during the fast, suddenly your body can now see all that fat too, and your body can start using the fat for fuel. And so just as I talked about your meeting, some of your protein needs through Autophy you're meeting some of your fuel needs through the fat that your body is burning. So we actually have one study that was really interesting. They followed people over a 72 hour F. Now I'm not recommending people start bathing for 72 hours. I eat every day. But when they were studying the people over these 72 hours, they looked at what their metabolic rate was doing. And everyone had like a baseline metabolic, right when they started.   (36:38): And then as time went on, their metabolic rate actually went up over the course of this fast. It was a 72 hour fast, like I said, and then it reached a peak at a certain point. And then it started to trim slowly down again. And so by the time they got to the 72, the end of the 72 hours, their metabolic rate was actually higher than it had been at baseline, but trending downward. So, you know, what does that tell us that tells us that fasting, when we start tapping into those fast stores, our bodies get going and they can actually ramp up that metabolic rate, but it also tells us that we don't wanna just keep fasting forever and ever cuz if you follow that trajectory down, I mean, eventually it would've gone below baseline. So that's why extended fasting for days and days at a time that is gonna affect your metabolic rate over time. So you wanna find the balance between fasting and feasting and that's really important cuz you can over fast and that's not a good thing.   (37:36): Yes. That's a great explanation. Thank you for explaining that. And I think some people might not know what metabolic flexibility is. I mean, you've kind of described it, but can you talk a little bit more about that?   (37:48): It's really how we're we're designed to be. Our bodies are designed to be able to use whatever fuel source is available. At the time we have the ability to store fat for when we need it. Our body can take that stored fat and our livers can turn fat into keytones, which fuels our brain beautifully. And we have plenty of energy to do what we need when there's, when there's not food around. But when food is available, we can flip that switch and we're, you know, using that food for fuel. So what happens when there's no food for fuel, your body flips the switch back to using your fat stores. So we are meant to be metabolically flexible and have the ability to switch from one source to the other. And we lose that metabolic flexibility in today's modern world with the eating all the time, nobody ever has to flip that switch to fat burning. And that is why, you know, I talked about the 28 day fast start when people have to let their bodies adapt. That's why, because when you first start your body, it doesn't wanna do that. And you also may not even have those fat burning enzymes built up your body just really cannot do it yet. And you also have to get insulin down over the over time. But at first you you're gonna be hangry. You're gonna be tired. Your body's like, come on. Where's the latte that I'm used to having at 10:00 AM.   (39:04): where's   (39:05): The breakfast burrito from the drivethrough or whatever it is. And eventually though your body's like, all right, fine, fine. I'll go tap into the fat store. Then it flips that switch. And there you go.   (39:19): Yeah. It's kind of like, you have to be your body's parent and like, Nope, you're not getting that. Nope. You're not getting that. Exactly. You know, the kids are like, can we have a cookie? Can we have a cookie? And I'm getting to know dinners coming. And they devour the Brussels spout cuz they didn't get the cookie. So now I'm   (39:35): Not, your body wants the cookie. And if you don't give it the cookie, if you eat your fat,   (39:39): eat your fat, go eat fat. Right. Right. So there's so much to talk about with this. I definitely want to recommend that people get your books, read your books during your community. I just love the titles that you have. There's so descriptive and clear. And I think that makes it very accessible to pretty much everyone. And I love that and you're so real and it's just great. So we'll have links to the books in the show notes. We'll also put a link to your community so that people can go there and actually grab links to your podcast too. And put those in there so everybody can listen. Thank you for staying up late to meet with us.   (40:26): It's not really that late. I just don't usually do things that I have to be active after dinner. Cause I had dinner usually after dinner I'm in wind down mode.   (40:36): Got it. Got it. Well, we will get you there soon. We'll have a few questions and answers any last things that you wanna share with everyone before we wrap? No, I didn't.   (40:46): Didn't talk about the clean fast, which is super duper important. Okay. Go ahead. Have during the fast and a lot of people have tried intermittent fasting and for whatever reason, they were not successful. And when I talk to people who are like, oh yeah, I tried that. It didn't work for me. There are usually two things that come up time. And again, one, they didn't give it long enough. Mm-Hmm and two, they were not fasting clean. So let's talk about what it means to fast clean. You know, I just talked about how we wanna keep insulin down. That's so important. So we can tap into our fast stores. Well, what causes to have an insulin response? Eating? Obviously we're not eating we're fasting, but also it turns out the taste of sweetness. If our brain thinks food is coming in, right? Even if it's a diet Coke, our brain doesn't understand the cephalic phase insulin response is when you taste something like that, diet soda, your brain says, we know what sweetness means.   (41:38): It means that sugar is coming in because in nature, everything that is paired with sweetness is like, you know, sugary or fruit or honey or whatever. Right? And so your pancreas goes ahead and pumps out some insulin because it knows you're gonna have high blood sugar soon. But then again, you're having this diet soda because it has zero calories. No sugar comes in, but you still have high insulin. And so you wanna keep your insulin down so your body can tap into your fat stores. So avoid anything. That's sweet. See all these miracle sweeteners. You're like this one doesn't raise your insulin. This one doesn't your brain doesn't know the difference. It doesn't milk fruit. It's like, no, it just tastes sweetness. And so you wanna avoid anything sweet. Don't put anything in your coffee to add sweetness or your tea. Don't add anything like that.   (42:26): But, and you wanna avoid things like lemon, apple, cider vinegar, anything that might have a food like taste, avoid those things. Cinnamon, all that avoid all that. The second goal is we wanna have, we wanna be tapping into our fat stores for fuel. So you don't wanna take in sources of fat during the fast don't put the butter in your coffee, the cream in your coffee. Don't put anything in your coffee. other than the coffee, don't take exogenous. Keytones cuz if you're taking in another source of fuel, your body's gonna use that. It's not gonna tap into your fat stores. We don't just wanna have keytones. We wanna make 'em from our stored fat. Yeah. If you're putting MCT oil in your coffee, your body's gonna take that MCT oil and turn it into keytones. But you want to get your keytones from your own body, fat, not from something you're putting in your coffee cup.   (43:16): And so the third thing we wanna do, our third fasting goal is we wanna have that increased auto and to do that, we don't wanna take in any sources of protein because protein, halts auto. So don't have bone broth or anything like that, you know? And if you start, you know, listening to people here and there there's all sorts of really bad recommendations, like oh 50 calories, doesn't break a fast. That is not true. Like in that case you could literally just like eat a jelly bean every five minutes and like fasting and that is not fasting. And some people are like, well what about a little splash of cream? Because this fasting expert over here says it's okay to put in a little splash of cream. Well, what is cream? Well it's dairy. If dairy is nature's perfect food for growing a mammal baby at the time of their life where they're growing the most rapidly.   (44:06): Does that sound like fasting? No, no anti dairy. Keep it in your eating window. If, if dairy works for you, but dairy is in no way, shape or form fasting, neither is almond milk. That none of that is that's not fasting yeah. So stick to the clean fast plain water, plain sparkling water, no flavors added. Don't add anything in there for flavor. It's not supposed to be a flavor adventure. We're taking a break from that. You can have all the flavor adventure you want in your eating window. You can have black coffee, plain tea. Now why can we have the black coffee and the plain tea? Well, those have a bitter flavor profile and that is not associated with the cephalic phase insulin response.   (44:48): That is very important. Thank you for explaining that. And you know what I realize we didn't talk about which we gotta hit on. This is like you said, when the new England journal article came out in 2019, people shifted from it. Wasn't about weight loss. They wanted to be healthy. Right? Can you just hit on the highlights of all the diseases that intermittent fasting is recruiting to help   (45:12): I cannot because the list would be so long. I   (45:15): Know like,   (45:16): You know, as a medical professional yourself, anything that's connected with insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome inflammation. I mean, that's like the root of like everything, right?   (45:27):Everything,   (45:27): Insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome, inflammation. Those are the things that intermittent fasting helps with. So anything that would be, if you go downstream from whatever medical condition and the downstream   (45:40): Problem,   (45:42): If you ever read B's book why we get sick?   (45:45): I have not. No,   (45:46): You gotta read that next. Get that book. Okay. If you will, if you haven't read fast, Pete, read that, but then need to read then Dr. Benjamin Bick. Men's why we get sick. And it basically makes the case. He's like the premier insulin resistant expert in the world, I think. And it basically talks about how insulin resistance, how it CA and he walks you through it, you know, how does it affect us in menopause? How does it affect, oh yeah. His health. How does it? And it's really the root of everything. So getting your insulin and can under control is just so important. It, it will, I mean, you type two diabetes. I mean, I think people say crazy things on the podcast that have been helped by, you know, I mean simple things. Yes. But people have had crazy results that you wouldn't even expect. I talked to somebody last week, she was wheelchair bound due to, she had some autoimmune type things that were going on and intermitent, festing, she's not been in a wheelchair. I mean, she's now like gained her mobility bag and I mean, it it's like you would never write all this in a book, cuz it sounds like too far fetched, but when people tell you their own story, you know that it's true.   (46:51): Yeah. That's amazing. I mean, I always say that insulin is that loose thread on the knotted ball of yarn of all your hormones and you gotta get it right. And I'm a big believer in, there are two prescriptions we need as women, as we age, we need the written one for natural hormones and we need this kind of life prescription. So thank you very much, Gin Stephens for coming on the podcast and sharing your wisdom with all of us.   (47:20): Well, I love doing it   (47:22): and thank you all for joining us for another episode of The Hormone Prescription Podcast. Hopefully you've heard something today that has sparked your interest and maybe you're willing to take the plunge and try it start with one of Gin's books, fast beast, repeat or delay don't deny, join one of her communities. Try out her 28 day program, do something don't just listen and say, oh yeah, that's great. I'll think about it later. I want you to take action. So I wanna hear about it on social media. Yeah. Jump on Instagram, Facebook and let me know what you're trying and how it's working for you. And I will see you next week. Thanks so much for spending this time with us until then peace, love and hormones. Y'all   (48:09): Thank you so much for listening. I know that incredible vitality occurs for women over 40. When we learn to speak hormones and balance these vital regulators to create the health and the life that we deserve. If you're enjoying this podcast, I'd love it. If you give me a review and subscribe, it really does help this podcast out so much. You can visit the hormone prescription.com, where we have some free gifts for you and you can sign up to have a hormone evaluation with me on the podcast to gain clarity into your personal situation until next time, remember, take small steps each day to balance your hormones and watch the wonderful changes in your health that begin to unfold for you. Talk to you soon.   ► Clean (ish) Supplemental Materials Download the free companion pdf that contains all of the reflect and take action pages from Clean(ish), as well as the activities from part 3 of the book. CLICK HERE.   ► Gin Stephens Membership Community: The Delay, Don't Deny Community. CLICK HERE to join.   ► Feeling tired? Can't seem to lose weight, no matter how hard you try? It might be time to check your hormones.   Most people don't even know that their hormones could be the culprit behind their problems. But at Her Hormone Club, we specialize in hormone testing and treatment. 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    Understanding The Key Of Your Oral Microbiome For Better Health

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 6, 2022 32:43


    We all know that our gut health is important for our overall health, but did you know that our oral microbiome is just as important? In fact, research has shown that there is a strong link between our oral health and our overall health.   For example, studies have shown that people with gum disease are more likely to develop heart disease, stroke, and other chronic illnesses. Therefore, it's important to take care of your oral health in order to maintain your overall health.   David Lin is a leading expert on the oral microbiome and he's going to be joining us on the show today to talk about how we can maintain our oral health and why it's so important for our overall health.   About David Lin: David Lin PhD is Co-founder and Chief Scientific Officer at Bristle. David received his PhD in Microbiology and Immunology from the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, his MS in Biology from California State University, Fullerton, and his BS in Biotechnology from University of California, Davis. He was a postdoctoral researcher at Genentech before becoming a Scientist at Twist Bioscience. He has over 10 years of molecular biology, microbiology, genomics, and synthetic biology, and infectious disease experience across academia, public health, and industry.   In this episode, you'll learn:   What the oral microbiome is and why it's so important for our health How to maintain a healthy oral microbiome The link between our oral health and overall health How poor oral health can lead to chronic illnesses And much more!   So tune in now to learn how you can maintain a healthy oral microbiome and improve your overall health!   (00:00): "Worrying is like a rocking chair. It gives you something to do, but it gets you nowhere." - David Lin.   (00:08): So the big question is how do women over 40, like us keep weight off, have great energy balance. Our hormones in our moods feel sexy and confident and master midlife. If you're like most of us, you are not getting the answers you need and remain confused and pretty hopeless to ever feel like yourself. Again. As an OB GYN, I had to discover for myself the truth about what creates a rock, solid metabolism, lasting weight loss, and supercharged energy. After 40 in order to lose a hundred pounds and fix my fatigue. Now I'm on a mission. This podcast is designed to share the natural tools you need for impactful results. And to give you clarity on the answers to your midlife metabolism challenges, join me for tangible natural strategies to crush the hormone imbalances you are facing and help you get unstuck from the sidelines of life. My name is Dr. Kyrin Dunston welcome to The Hormone Prescription Podcast.   (01:04): Hi, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of The Hormone Prescription with Dr. Kyrin. Thank you so much for joining me today. My guest today, David Lin PhD is a co-founder and chief scientific officer at Bristol. You might think of Bristol as bristles on your toothbrush. This is a different kind of bristle. Maybe you've heard about the connection between your oral microbiome and your overall systemic health like heart and brain and more. Maybe you haven't, but whether you have, or haven't, you need to know about this. And if you know a little bit about it, you need to know more. So David is gonna share that with you today so that you don't just sit there worrying like a rocking chair about your health and what can you do, but you really get some actionable information, some steps that you can take to improve your health and taking care of your oral microbiome is one of those things that you're not gonna hear about at your dentist that you could be doing to move your health to the next level.   (02:09): So I'll tell you a little bit about David and then we'll get started. David received his PhD in microbiology and immunology from the university of Michigan and armor and his MS in biology from California state university Fullerton, and his bachelor's in biotechnology from university of California Davis. That's a lot of science. He is a science nerd. Let's just say . And he loves talking about the oral microbiome. He was a post-doctoral researcher at Gentech before becoming a scientist at twist bioscience and has over 10 years of molecular biology, microbiology, genomics, and synthetic biology and infectious disease experience across academia, public health and industry. This is just the guy you want informing you about how to understand the key of your oral microbiome for better, better health. Welcome David.   (03:08): Thank you. I'm very excited to be here.   (03:10): Yes. I think that most people are not aware of how this small little real estate on their face, their mouth affects the entire rest of their body to such a high degree. So I really wanted to have you on to highlight that for them and they can get some tools and start taking action to improve their oral health so they can improve their overall health. What introduced you to the big impact that oral health has on systemic health?   (03:44): That's a good question. Well, I'm a scientist by training and through many years of school, I've learned to a lot about microbiology, a lot about bacteria and basically the way that they do things and how they interact with your body. And recently, at least in the past decade or two, there's been a lot of research that has shown that the gut microbiome is really important for your overall health. It helps with digestion. It controls a lot of your mood and it does a lot of things, but what's been largely ignored is that there's actually another microbiome. That's the second largest and most diverse microbiome in your body. And it's your mouth. You swallow a hundred billion bacteria every day. You are what you eat and those bacteria are in your mouth. And they do so much for us that we really don't. We don't acknowledge. Did you know that oral bacteria, they actually control some of your blood pressure the way they do this is by reducing nitrate. So there's this circular connection in your mouth where they can reduce nitrate. And that increases the nitrate level, nitric oxide levels in your blood. That's just one of many ways that they help you do things.    (04:49): You know, that's interesting. I know some people, women are listening and saying, oh, maybe when I go for my blood pressure check at my doctor's office, I should ask them to check my oral microbiome. I think the average doctor would just look at you, like, what are you talking about? It would . They probably wouldn't know what you're talking about in terms of clinical utility. I know you're affiliated with a company that does testing of the oral microbiome. What percentage of doctors would you say are savvy about this interaction and actually know to order tests like this recommend tests like this work with tests like this?   (05:25): Very, very few. So I think one of the things about medicine is that it's relatively slow moving. There's a lot of tradition that's been built into not only systemic medicine, so, you know, your physician, but also dentistry. Dentistry is a really old practice and they haven't introduced almost any new technologies for like a hundred years. We still operate in the same way we've been doing for a long time. And that is we treat the symptoms as we see them, which is really unfortunate. There's very little preventive measures that we use to really tackle some of the biggest problems we have. I mean, cavities and gum disease, everybody still gets them. It's like, I think 70% of individual over 65 will have periodontal disease and it's entirely preventable. It's just a bacterial infection. That's a very long term bacterial infection. And if you catch it early enough, you don't have to get it.   (06:13): Same with cavities. Cavities are very specific bacteria. They colonize your teeth, they create acid. And unfortunately practitioners nowadays, they, most of them really don't use any of these kinds of tools to screen their patients. I think some of that may have to do with medicine itself, just the way that that we practice. And the other part of it is really that research moves very slowly. So academia to translate a research, finding into something that's really useful for people takes a very long time of development. And hopefully, you know, my company bristle, we're trying to address that at least for oral health.   (06:47): Yes, it's so true. It can take decades. I think that the average is something like three decades and sometimes it's way longer than that, for instance the use of fluoride and toothpaste and water, how does that affect the oral biome?   (07:05): Yeah. So there haven't actually been any very compelling trials regarding the use of at least every day fluoride, which is a very low concentration in your toothpaste, but generally it's not a very powerful antimicrobial. It really doesn't do that much in killing bacteria. But what it really does is to help you remineralize your teeth because fluoride actually helps to reserve calcium onto your tooth surface. So it helps protect your teeth that way. But I think what's more exciting is not just things like fluoride, but there have been newer compounds that have been out where people have shown kind of that they don't have systemic effects like fluoride does, but they can still help re minimalize teeth. So something like nano hydroxy, appetite, even things like arginine. So arginine is, is just an amino acid, but it helps prevent cavities. And, and the way it does it is by actually modulating the oral microbiome. It's a very interesting connection.   (08:05): And is that when swallowed orally Swed orally and how is it administered that it's shown to decrease cavities by altering the microbiome? Yeah,   (08:16): So arginine it just, if you chew it and if it sticks around on your teeth, I'm not actually sure if there have been any tests for ingestion, but if you chew it or if you apply it as a toothpaste, it acts as a prebiotic and it activates this pathway called the arginine D M a pathway, which increases the pH of the mouth and the, the way it modulates the oral microbiome is that there's some bacteria that can metabolize the Aine very well and turn it into ammonia, which increases the pH. And that actually prevents the acid generating bacteria from colonizing the tooth because acid generating bacteria actually really like acidic environments and ammonia is the opposite. So it, it prevents them from growing.   (08:56): Okay. And so what are some everyday habits that people might have that might hurt their oral microbiome and what are some habits they might have that might improve?   (09:07): The first one is using alcohol based mouthwash. That's really bad for you actually. So alcohol is an antiseptic that we use, you know, on our hands. We use it to disinfect things, but it turns out that the microbiome of the mouth, there are very important, good bacteria in there that are important for preventing the bad ones from growing and those good ones. We can kill them by using alcohol based mouthwash. So there was a study recently that had shown that routine use of over the counter mouthwash was actually associated with hypertension. And the reason for that was because these nitrate, reducing bacteria were actually completely going away and they didn't come back because these people were using mouthwash twice a day. And so you never give a chance for good bacteria to populate. And you ended up with dysbiosis of the mouth. That's   (09:54): Fascinating that the regular use of the alcohol containing mouthwash increased hypertension, fascinating. What are some other habits that we have that hurt our oral microbiome?   (10:05): Definitely our diet. This probably isn't unique to just the oral microbiome, but the amount of sugar and processed food that we eat is just off the charts now, compared to where we were even just 20 years ago, even 30 years ago. And so the rates of cavities have gone sky high. And so that's like the main thing that I tell most people it's well, can I fix right now without having to buy anything or actually like change my habits besides diets gotta be diets. Like the diet is the only thing that is entirely controllable and will fix of most of the problem. Stop eating sugar. just the simple sugars are a huge problem.   (10:44): just stop. Just say no,   (10:46): Just   (10:47): Say no. Okay. And how about flossing and brushing? Just gotta say it cuz some people still didn't get the memo.   (10:54): Oh my gosh. It's really surprising. Right. And I think we always recommend people brush twice a day floss once a day, we actually published a little bit of research of our own, of what flossing does to the microbiome. We actually saw that flossing frequency correlates with improvements in oral health and the oral microbiome. So when we measure the microbiome, what we're talking about is there's very specific bacteria in your mouth that we call them periodontal pathogens. And they're the ones that cause gum disease. And we measure these in your saliva at Bristol. And we measure them against the bacteria that prevent them from growing. And we found that people who floss once a day had very low levels of these bacteria, of the bad bacteria in their mouth compared to the good ones, but the people who didn't floss at all, it was an inverse correlation.   (11:40): They had very low levels of the good ones and a lot of the bad ones, why this happens. We think it's because most of these pathogens they're called a robes, which means that they can't grow in the presence of oxygen. They really like your gum line. And they like growing into the pockets of your teeth because there's no oxygen there. And so by flossing you can introduce oxygen. You can also mechanically remove some of the dental plaque that's down there that protects from the environment. And really you want those pockets to be exposed to saliva. You want them to be exposed to anything you don't want them to just be rooted in bacteria in pathogenic bacteria.   (12:15): Can we give some of them names? Cause I know it would be easier they could hear. So what are some of the good bacteria that we want to foster that we wanna make friends with?   (12:25): Yeah. So there's a few bacteria such as amorous pair of influenza. Your, the names are not that important, but most of them are aerobic. So they're strep. ATOC minus. I think if you go to a website, you'll, you'll find a list with a way to spell them out. But generally these are they're in your mouth. And the way that they protect you is actually really interesting. They make a set of compounds called bacteriocins well, not all of them, but some of them do. And this, these bacteria sins are really good at killing other bacteria, specifically killing anaerobic bacteria. It's really interesting. They cause oxidative stress in those bacteria. And that's a, a mechanism where oxygen can kind of is extremely detrimental to their growth. And some of these bacteria sins act as stress inducers.   (13:15): So the AOBs wanna hide little cavities and cause problems. Mm-Hmm as acidosis, which is then gonna start eroding teeth. What about mouth breathing and the health of your microbiome, right? There's been recent data about the number of people that are mouth breathers and how it can adversely affect your microbiome and mouth taping has become a thing. Can you talk a little bit about that?   (13:42): Absolutely. So mouth breathing is a really interesting phenomenon and it doesn't really directly affect the oral microbiome in that it's the mouth breathing itself, but the active mouth breathing actually reduces the amount of saliva in your mouth. And saliva's really important because it has antimicrobial peptides. It has antibodies in it, it has minerals and most importantly, it just helps to keep your mouth clean. So you're constantly shedding saliva from, I think it's like hundreds of salivary glands in your mouth and they really helped to just shed things. It helps to coat your teeth, coat your gums and make it so that the bacteria in your mouth are kept at low levels. Because once you get outgrowth, that's when problems really happen. And by mouth breathing, you're drying up the salivary glands. You're reducing the amount of saliva on your teeth and your gums and dry mouth is the main cause of oral microbiome dysbiosis, which   (14:38): Is cause is that for most people?   (14:39): Yeah. A lot of people have dry mouth and they're not actually aware dry mouth causes, gum disease, cavities, bad breath, extremely common, but people think they wake up in the middle of the night. They've been mouth breathing that it's totally normal. And they're like, eh, I'll just drink a glass of water. But you know, this constant act of mouth breathing and having a dry mouth every day leads to dysbiosis.   (15:00): And for everybody listening, before you go seal your mouth up with a piece of tape, read about how to do mouth taping please. Cuz I know, I remember when I first heard about it and I thought mouth taping, I thought it meant a piece of tape, a crushable mouth. So don't do it until you read about it and learn about it. So my people are mostly women 40 to 60 and over and they're wanting to know what they can do to improve their health. And how does they've learned about the microbiome and the gut? And now they're wondering, how is this David? How is this oral microbiome affecting the rest of my health? Yeah, what's it doing?   (15:40): Oh my goodness. Where to start? So we briefly discussed how the oral microbiome helps control blood pressure. Right? We talked about nitrate, but there's so many other ways. So one really big study that came out a few years ago showed that there's certain bacteria in your mouth that have actually been implicated in the progression of Alzheimer's disease. So this bacteria is called Pomona gingivalis. And since then there's been a lot of studies and looking at whether or not they can actually prevent Alzheimer's disease just by either killing these bacteria, removing them or blocking their activity. And companies have come up from this, just looking at Talis. So that's one way these bacteria, they end up in your brain somehow and then   (16:24): Any early data from any of those studies you can share or nothing yet.    (16:29): I think it's a little early, there was one clinical trial that had very early data that looked promising where they had. So Ponas, gingivalis creates this protein that cuts other proteins and this drug targets that protein, that cuts stuff. And they saw that. I think there was a mild decrease or a mild improvement in cognitive decline in patients with Alzheimer's disease by using a drug like this. But it was probably a very small study. And I think they're expanding that now.   (16:56): Okay, great. And then I cut you off cuz you were getting ready to talk about something else systemically.   (17:00): Yeah. The oral microbiome's been implicated in so many different things. So another big one is cancer, both in oral cancer and surprisingly colorectal cancer, which I guess is surprising to most people. But when you think about, you know, a hundred billion bacteria being swallowed every day, it becomes pretty obvious that there's this one bacteria called fuser bacterium nucle. And for some reason, this little bug is really, really good at causing inflammation. And what it does is it happens to be in very high abundance in people with tumors. It really likes the tumor environment. Why we don't really know why, but people have shown that people who have fus nucle in their tumors, those tumors grow a lot more aggressively. And the prognosis for those people is much worse than the people who don't have, have SLE.   (17:51): Okay. What about heart disease? You know, that's the number one killer of women over 50. Most women don't worry about it. Believe it or not. They're more worried about breast cancer, but they should be concerned about their hearts. How does the oral microbiome interact with the heart?   (18:07): Yeah. Park sees the number one killer in the United States. And there's actually a lot of interactions between the oral microbiome and the heart. Somehow bacteria in the mouth actually end up in the bloodstream. We don't really know how this happens, like a lot of things, but for instance, atherosclerotic plaque, the plaque that's high cholesterol and it builds up inside your arteries and, and can cause a blockage. People have found oral bacteria in there. They found Fusor bacteria, NLE, Pomona tr Tova a lot of these gum disease pathogens just happen to make it into the bloodstream. We think that the people who have gum disease, they're more susceptible to this happening because the gum disease actually causes damage to the gum tissue and allows them to invade and, and get into your bloodstream. But the mechanism for how this happens is still very unclear. There's also other bacteria in the mouth that can cause infecti endocarditis. It's a pretty rare condition, but somehow again, the bacteria in the mouth, they end up in the heart and they cause an infection.   (19:05): Interesting. So I'm curious, has anybody done any studies on longevity as it relates to the makeup of the oral microbiome?   (19:14): Nope. Not yet. Not   (19:16): Yet.   (19:17): Very good question. I wish we did. so I will say that people have looked at oral health in longevity, but not really the oral microbiome longevity, right? Like there's a very strong correlation between good oral health and longevity. Mm-Hmm because the people who can eat longer, eat solid foods or good foods for longer and to do better. And so it wouldn't be surprising if you found that the people that live longer have very healthy oral microbiomes because in order to have healthy teeth who need a healthy oral microbiome, but so far no study definitively.   (19:52): Okay. Interesting. I was just curious, and I know that at Bristol, you guys offer tests for the oral microbiome. Can you talk a little bit about what people could do to be proactive about assessing their oral biome and promoting a healthy oral biome?   (20:13): Yeah. First thing I always say is take a test because that's really the only way you can get data around it. So it's kind of like for instance, for diabetes, a lot of people don't know their status for diabetes. And the only way they know is by going get a blood test, and it's the same for oral health. You really don't know there's no lab tests or have there hadn't been any lab tests for oral health until bristle came along. And so you really need to get the data around it, to know what your starting point is to know what you need to improve because there's very specific recommendations we can make based on the makeup of your oral microbiome. So, I mean the first thing about being proactive is fix your diet brush twice a day, floss once a day, reduce your mouth breathing, try and eat more nitrate foods with nitrate in them. So there's leafy greens and let's see eat more arginine. If you can. Other than that, the recommendations we make could be for specific probiotics to help you improve your oral health. But we don't know which ones, unless you take a test.   (21:12): Okay. So on the test, what kind of information do you get?   (21:15): So we give a variety of scores that are based on your oral microbiome. Really. We look at all the bacteria in your mouth. Eventually we'll also report on the different viruses and fungi because we know that they're also really important for oral disease. But right now, if we're talking about just bacteria, you get scores for your cavities. So we tell you what kind of bacteria in your mouth can contribute to cavities. What kind of bacteria in your mouth can contribute to gum disease, which ones in the mouth that are also implicated in gut inflammation and bad breath. And we're adding, we're adding new features all the time. So,   (21:50): Okay. So it's not one where you're gonna get specific bacterial names. You're basically going to get some type of score. I'm looking at the sample report where you'll get a beneficial bacteria score. And then it will say how you stack up next to healthy people. You get a tooth case score and you'll be told how you stack up compared to people who are healthy people with tooth decay and you'll get a gum inflammation score. And you'll be told compared to people with inflammation, healthy people and you, and then also halitosis bad breath, you'll get a score. And then based on the results you'll get, excuse me, diet and hygiene tips. Is that right?   (22:31): More than that too. Okay. You'll get specific recommendations for probiotics, if possible, and different kinds of supplements that could help you and included in each of the scores. We also do give the bacteria names. We give your abundance of each of the bacteria and how you relate to other people for those different bacteria. And a lot of times it's really hard to interpret that kind of information. Like I can tell you that you have, you know, Pomona gingivalis, but what does that really mean for you? So we try to contextualize it into these scores.   (23:01): I see that I just have a basic, and then there is a breakout where it does show you your bacteria related to these different items and you get custom recommendations based on this. So I didn't see that before.   (23:14): Okay. And each test with the recommendations, we also provide a coach. So we have a dental hygienist on staff who is educated in the oral microbiome and what you can do to improve it. And we provide one coaching call to everyone who, who takes the test so that you can better understand how you can improve oral health, because we know that everybody is different. And so the recommendations we make may not entirely be applicable to you because you have a very specific need. And so we try to build around personalized medicine because we don't think there's a one size fits all approach for anybody really.   (23:46): Right. That's so true. And I love that you give a coaching appointment, they can go through that. I really think that in this day and age, where if you're trying to be proactive about your health and be as healthy as you can now and going forward in the future, this needs to be a part of your plan, right? Not just visiting the dentist twice a year and getting your teeth clean, not just brushing and flossing, but really assessing your oral microbiome as well as your colorectal microbiome and doing all the tests that I talk about. I say all the things, I really think this needs to be a part of it. How did you become interested in this topic? I always wanna know why people do what they've been.   (24:28): So I was trained as a scientist. I did my master's studying antibiotic resistance, so I studied bacteria. And then afterwards I wanted to do something different. I went to study a virus dengue virus during my PhD. And I decided, well, at the time I went to university of Michigan where there's a very big consortia of people studying the gut microbiome. And so the neighboring lab actually studies the interaction between the mouth and the gut. They use a lot of tools to look at how bacteria get from the mouth to the gut and whether or not they can cause disease. And so they published a few studies and that was kind of the start of my foray into it because I used to, we do a thing called journal club. It's basically research sharing between the different labs and, and that's where I first got interested. And so when I came back to California, where I grew up, I decided I wanted to study something with the microbiome. And what I decided to, to embark on was this very complicated interaction between the microbiome, the immune system and neurons. So neurons can interact with the immune system in the gut. And it's really important for actually maintaining homeostasis and keeping a healthy gut. But the way it happens is extremely complicated.    (25:45): Podcast level, like very,   (25:47): I'm not even sure I could explain it very well. Basically the summary at the time of me studying this was that neurons actually create proteins that help recruit immune cells. So there's different types of cells and the immune system that live within your tissue. So normally we refer to immune cells as in your blood and they help to monitor the, the health of your body. But some of them actually live inside of tissues and there's very specific. They're called macrophages. They can sample the environment, they eat stuff, and then they tell your body what's there. And it turns out that neurons, if you get rid of the neurons, then these macrophages also go away. And so these macrophages are in the gut and they're held there by neurons and they help to sample the environment of the gut to tell you, do you need to have diarrhea because there's something bad in here or are you okay because neurons also happen to control the motor function of the gut. So it's a very interesting interaction.   (26:45): Yes. So much science behind all of this. I think it's fascinating. I think what's important for everybody today to get the message. Is that the, or the bacteria in your mouth matter for your, the rest of your system matter for your brain health and do you get dementia or not matter for your heart and do you get heart disease or not matter for many aspects of your health and that to be proactive, you need to test not guess that's something I always say. And treat, I'm just wondering, it sounds like they've found association for instance, with certain of these pathogenic bacteria and hypertension, but have they proved causation and done any interventional studies to say that if you change these bacteria, then your blood pressure will improve. Yeah. Yes.   (27:33): , that's a really good question. That's so what people have done is they've introduced nitrate as a supplement in the mouth. And what they look at is two measurements. The first is salivary nitric oxide. So how much nitrate is being reduced in your saliva and how much nitrate is being reduced into your blood? And so a few studies have very small studies have gone into adding these supplements and it modulates the microbiome in a way that shifts towards more nitrate, reducing bacteria. And that in turn increases your nitric oxide in the blood. So not only have they done a depletion study, where they looked at the people who took mouthwash and it killed all the bacteria, mm-hmm, , they've also boosted them and saw a boost in the blood. Very   (28:15): Interesting. I love that. That is and Pally. We're just, this field is in its Macy and we're gonna have all kinds of designer, probiotics and treatments, hopefully for the mouth in the near future. I will look forward to that and we'll have in the show notes, a link to your blog, and then you do have a discount code for anybody who wants to order a test. So we'll have a code Kyrin, one 50, we'll have the link you can use in the show notes. If you're driving, please don't try to do it. Look it up now , we'll have the link in the show notes. We'll have the code Kyrin one 50 for 15% discount. And you can also look at a sample oral health test report. Like the one I was looking at we'll have the link for that. And I asked David before we started to share a couple quotes on life that he liked to with me. And, you know, I love a good quote. So they're all great, but I'm gonna share this one. Worrying is like a rocking chair. It gives you something to do, but it gets you nowhere.   (29:23): So are you not a worrier? you not worry at all? I   (29:27): Try not to be. I really try not to be. I really like this quote, cuz worrying is the same as doing nothing. Right? It's kind of like your test don't guess by worrying, you're really just sitting there and guessing you don't really know what's gonna happen. Why don't you go do something about it? Just go test, go find out.   (29:43): I love that. It is yeah. Test don't guess do something. It's just, it's rehearsing possibilities. And, but we can do it. I wonder if abnormal microbiome in your mouth is associated with increase in worrying. That would be an interesting study. David, you might wanna do that one. (29:58): There were a few that had suggested some mental health issues were associated with oral microbiome changes. So there was depression, schizophrenia. Alzheimer's like we just talked about a number of things. Yeah.   (30:10): That is fascinating. I think there's gonna be way more data coming out on this association. I mean, we've got the vagi biome. We have our ocular biome. We've got them all over.   (30:22): We didn't even talk about the vaginal microbiome, the oral microbiome, the same bacteria that cause bacterial VA happen to be the ones that are in the mouth that cause gum disease.   (30:31): How fascinating, who knew? Do you guys offer any testing for that?   (30:37): So the, we do have a report on the bacteria. We don't call them out explicitly, but I think one of the, one of the scores we'll probably add in the future will be something like that will be a vaginal dysbiosis score because there's been a few studies that have shown the same strains of bacteria in the mouth. They actually end up colonizing the gut and then in turn, they end up in the vagina. Right. And so if you have dysbiosis either in your gut or in your mouth, that could definitely translate down to the vagina too.   (31:07): Fascinating. So fascinating. David Lin, thank you so much for coming on the hormone prescription podcast and sharing this information with us. I very much appreciate it.   (31:19): Absolutely likewise, me too.   (31:22): And thank you all for listening to another episode of the hormone prescription with Dr. Kyrin. Hopefully you've heard something today that you'll take and put into action to improve your health. It's great to have education atta, but ultimately what's gonna make an impact on your health and your life are the actions that you take. So go check out David's blog, maybe order a test kit, do the test, get the information, take action. And remember if you wanna mouth tape, read about how to do it properly first and I will see you next week. Thanks so much for joining me until then peace, love and hormones.   (32:02): Y'all thank you so much for listening. I know that incredible vitality occurs for women over 40. When we learn to speak hormone and balance these vital regulators to create the health and the life that we deserve. If you're enjoying this podcast, I'd love it. If you give me a review and subscribe, it really does help this podcast out so much. 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    How To Upgrade Your Brain At Midlife To Thrive

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 30, 2022 40:30


    Do you feel like your brain has been on a downhill spiral since you turned 40? You're not alone. The mid-life crisis is real, and it's affecting more women than ever before.   But there's hope! In this episode of The Hormone Prescription Podcast, we chat with Dr. Louann Brizendine about how to upgrade your brain at midlife and thrive.   Dr. Brizendine is a leading expert on the female brain, and she shares her insights on what's going on inside our heads during this time of transition. She also gives us practical tips on how to improve our cognitive function and protect our mental health as we age.   Louann Brizendine, M.D. completed her degree in Neurobiology at UC Berkeley, graduated from Yale School of Medicine, and did her internship and residency at Harvard Medical School. She has also served on both the faculties of Harvard University and University of California at San Francisco. She founded the Women's Mood and Hormone Clinic at UCSF. Her New York Times bestseller, The Female Brain, and its follow-up, The Male Brain, continue to be read around the world. Her eagerly anticipated book, THE UPGRADE: How the Female Brain Gets Stronger and Better in Midlife and Beyond, is out in April 2022. Now, as the Lynne and Marc Benioff endowed professor of clinical psychiatry at UCSF, Dr. Brizendine continues to speak, write, research, and consult.   In this episode, you'll learn:   What's going on inside our brains during the mid-life transition   How to improve your cognitive function as you age   Tips for protecting your mental health in midlife and beyond   The latest research on the female brain and how it changes in midlife   And more!   If you're ready to learn how to upgrade your brain in midlife and thrive, this episode is for you!   (00:00): In this episode, find out why the upgrade previously known as the transition is the gateway to the best years of your life.   (00:09): So the big question is how do women over 40, like us keep weight off, have great energy balance. Our hormones in our moods feel sexy and confident and master midlife. If you're like most of us, you are not getting the answers you need and remain confused and pretty hopeless to ever feel like yourself. Again. As an OB GYN, I had to discover for myself the truth about what creates a rock, solid metabolism, lasting weight loss, and supercharged energy. After 40 in order to lose a hundred pounds and fix my fatigue. Now I'm on a mission. This podcast is designed to share the natural tools you need for impactful results. And to give you clarity on the answers to your midlife metabolism challenges, join me for tangible natural strategies to crush the hormone imbalances you are facing and help you get unstuck from the sidelines of life. My name is Dr. Kyrin Dunston welcome to the hormone prescription podcast.   (01:03): Hey everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the hormone prescription with Dr. Kyrin. Thank you for joining me today. You're gonna love my guest today. Dr. Louann Brizendine, I'm gonna tell you a little bit about her and then we'll get started. But first let me say, she's talking about the upgrade. What is the upgrade for women? Well, it used to be called the transition, which meant all kinds of bad things, bad outcomes, things you don't want for women, but she is reframing this time of life as being the upgrade. And I love that because it's really true. You are getting an upgrade, not a downgrade, despite what you might have been told or you've been led to believe. And she's gonna tell you how to maximize that so that this can be the best time of your life. Dr. Louann has some amazing credentials. She completed her degree in neurobiology at UC Berkeley.   (01:57): She graduated from Yale school of medicine and she did her internship in residency at Harvard medical school. You can't get much better credentials than that. She served on the faculty at Harvard and university, the E of California at San Francisco. She founded the women's mood and hormone clinic at USCF. Her New York times bestseller the female brain and its follow up. The male brain continued to be read around the world. Her eagerly anticipated book, the upgrade, how the female brain gets stronger and better and midlife and beyond is now out and available. She is the Lynn and mark Benioff and do professor of clinical psychiatry at UC S F. She continues to speak right research and consult. Please help me to welcome the brilliant I'm Dr. Louann Brizendine. Welcome Dr. Louann to the podcast.   (02:50): Thank you, Dr. Kyrin, nice to meet you and see you. And I'm just delighted to be here with your audience because you know, your people are my people   (02:59): Yes, our people are the same. we   (03:05): Treat the, we treat the same group of patients. I do my medical center. They say Louann treats above the neck and we treat below the waist.   (03:12): Yes. I love that. But most people think that they're such a dichotomy there. Well, above the neck and below the waist, there's no relationship, but that's exactly what you talk about in your books is how connected our female hormones are to our brain function.   (03:32): Absolutely. I don't think people know that. I think, you know, once you hear it and you understand you go like the light bulb on your head goes, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course the brain, the pituitary control all the other hormones in the entire body.   (03:46): It's so true. And the hormones in the brain and just all the intermixing, which I'm sure we'll get into how vital sex hormones are for cognitive function for brain function. But I wanna start just talking about your book, the upgrade, because I think this is really radical and I'm hoping you can explain to everybody, we always talk about the menopause transition. I actually talk about the menopause spectrum and how it's not a point in time, and you go through this spectrum of change, but talk about what the upgrade is and how it differs from the transition.   (04:24): You know, you and I speak the same language actually, because that's why I, with all my patients, I hated those words. Like the perimenopause menopause is cuz it's like, it's, those are medical diagnoses in a way. And they're just a little slice of what actually is happening. It's not the whole woman, this transition that we're going through from like about age, you know, 38 to 48 that we kind of call in the big brackets kind of AKA the perimenopause. Yeah. That's something that's happening just to kind of the, the ovaries and the follicles are, you know, starting to not be as healthy and they're starting to like die off and we lose them, but that's just, that's the medical diagnosis of that transition. So, but I called it the transition because it's, there's so much more that's going on for us women. There's all kinds of relationship, things, emotional things, things in terms of our work life things in terms of our children, that's like, there's all kinds of layers of stuff that's going on in our brain.   (05:14): So the transition, and then once you hit finish the transition, you go into what I call the upgrade and the upgrade, AKA menopause it's as you. And I know the definition of menopause actually lasts for one day, right? It's the day, 12 months after your last period is called menopause. It lasts for one day and then the next day you're in post-menopause. So, you know, it doesn't really, these words don't really kind of work for what we experience as women. And so certainly not what our women patients are experiencing. And it's so cool. I mean, once you hit the upgrade, they, after the rock and roll of the hormonal fluctuations of the menstrual cycle, the perimenopause, all of your fertility years, your brain circuits are and your body you're free of that, those waves that crash over you every month. And people don't realize that the hormones are changing, not just stuff in your ovary and your uterus, but they're changing all kinds of stuff in your brain circuits for your memory.   (06:12): Remember like three or four days before ovulation, it's a huge estrogen Sur just making you be, you wanna be kind of, you sway your hips a little more. You put a little makeup, it a little sexier. You know what you're doing is mother NA under the hood mother, nature's got you all wired hormonally to go out there looking for the best sperm. You know, those couple of days before ovulation, our sex drive goes up. We're all, you know, we're ready to rock and roll. I've got UA, our hips, actually our voice goes higher, all that stuff. We talk faster, et cetera. And then of course the PMs time comes, you're crashing. You know, you're having all of those irritability and those spurts of anger and tearfulness and my clinic, we call it the crying over dog food commercials sign, you know, we can Boohoo over anything.   (06:55): So the cool thing is, is that once you hit the upgrade, baby, that's gone and you've got all of this circuitry in there. That's working really well to just your dance card is open to add new things. You're not gonna have to struggle with your hormones being jerked around. You're not gonna be dealing with fertility hormones. You're not gonna be dealing with being pushed out there, looking for the best firm, whatever it is. You know, you've got all of this incredible space and brain power that comes and is able to like take on new project, new purpose women, lots of women, you know, in America, the biggest number of new businesses are started by women over 50.   (07:33): Yes. I always tell women that I work with that. I'm kind of sneaky. Cuz do I wanna help you with your health? Yes, but I'm really sneaky cuz I know you're sitting on gifts that you aren't using and you aren't delivering to the world cause you don't feel good. So if I can help you feel better, then you will get off your assets and give your gifts. And so I think it really aligns with what you're talking about. The upgrade so many women see this as downgrade TBA, oh,   (08:08): That's wrong, wrong, wrong. That's no, that is so wrong. And this that's because society is still looking at it that way too. And where as these things start inside us, as soon as we start looking at ourselves as an upgrade, then society starts to follow along behind us. We have to take that for ourselves. We have to claim that territory, claim that for ourselves mm-hmm and it is an upgrade. And once women realize that and start seeing it as like, yes, your fertility years are over, but 50 women that are 50. Now many, a chunk of us will live to be a hundred plus you know, those women that are just starting in the early Perry, you know, a lot of those women will live to be, you know, 110, you know, there's, you've got more than half your life there. So you gotta, wow, you got this whole new chapter. I, I have a chapter in the book book that's called finding new purpose as well. I go through all the rock and roll of the, for women that are younger. I've had women in their thirties, they read this book and they go, oh God, Dr. Luann, thank you. I feel so much better. I thought it was all over when I was 40, you know, there's feeling so hopeful that there is more to it than just like things being, being over when you're 40 or 50.   (09:17): Yeah. And so what are the gifts? Why do you call it an upgrade? I get it. But I think there are a lot of women and men out there who aren't gonna get it. So what is new, better, special about this time.     (09:32): Okay. So let's go back to that jagged up and down of your hormones all during your fertility cycle, remember your brain circuits. So part of your brain circus was one of the little areas called the hippocampus, not the hippopotamus, but the hippocampus. You know, it's a really important area in your brain. If you stuck your fingers right in above your ears, by about an inch into your brain on both sides, that's where they live a little guys, the size of your, you know, your fingertips. But they're really important cuz it's the way you form all your memories. You attach your memories and it's a big memory cognition center in your brain. And every month the estrogen goes up and it sprouts like 25% different connections in that area. And then it gets all born down during the last two weeks when a progesterone comes and pours like weed, killer her on all those connections.   (10:17): So it's like building up, taking down, building up, taking down. So that's just one little area of the brain it's happening in other areas too. We don't know that we don't teach that or talk about it yet because the new technology is just being able to show that. So women need to know that that buildup tear down, build up, tear down. It's not letting you stand firmly on the shore. You stand more firmly and see further when you're able to just count on a more stable brain power every day of the month. You're not being jerked around by your hormones anymore.   (10:47): Yes . And so you talk about all the benefits that occur. Like we're more relaxed. Our brain is more even chilled. Our moods are more even keeled. Now I know a lot of my people who listen to this podcast are wondering, well, Louann under Louann, are you talking about this is with hormone therapy or without cause they know me. They're listening to me all the time. And I always talk about why doing menopause naturally is a bad idea, the increased risk for disease and what I call midlife metabolic mayhem. And so help them understand, is this something that I'm gonna experience just naturally? Or is this something that I need hormone therapy to help me experience? How do I experience the upgrade?   (11:42): Okay. So I wrote this book and I had to stop tiptoeing through the tulips on this issue, right? Cause I was part of the generation where when women's health initiative came out in 2002 women's health initiative, you know, to stopped the hormones for all the women in the country. And I know you and I are seeing all these women now that have had these women that unfortunately went through this transition before we were back to being able to give women their hormones back, we see all kinds of problems. You know, they're getting osteoporosis and the Alzheimer's situation in terms of the actual evidence based medicine on that is being looked at right now. So we don't know some of that piece about the dementia, but a lot of the evidence is pointing to the fact that the brain needs estrogen too on going remember men, men don't fall off a cliff.   (12:26): Like we do hormones at that stage. They go on in a 60 year old man and a 60 year old woman. If she's not taking hormone replacement, guess what? Dr. K they have four times more estrogen in their brain than we do at age six. And, and that's why they have increases for prostate cancer. Yes, exactly. And that's what osteoporosis as much as women too, right? I mean, it's just basic biology. And once, you know, listen, biology is destiny, unless you know what it's doing to you. Yes. And once know, once you know what it's doing to you, then you can take appropriate action for yourself. So I tell women, they go, oh, why don't I get breast cancer? If I take hormones, blah, blah, blah, whatever the answer is, no women, the evidence shows that women in the five to 10 year of taking hormone replacement therapy after the change don't have any increased risk of breast cancer, unless you have the breast cancer gene.   (13:21): So I basically just test my patients, all their genes. I just test them to see if they have any of the breast cancer genes. And then you're in a different category. But if you're not in that category, then yes, you may safely take hormones after that period of time, that will help you get through that. Now, if you've had a hysterectomy, you're in the, you're in the lucky group, right? You're in the lucky group because you only have to take estrogen. You don't have to take progesterone because you don't have a uterus anymore. So those women in my practice are the happiest actually that they don't have any have to take any progesterones. So the mixing and I talk about that in chapter three and four of the book, kind of the mixing and matching of the estrogen and the progesterone and different aspects of that.   (14:00): So yes, I really feel that that women should have the opportunity and doctors should not hesitate to, you know, women that are having difficulty sleeping. Remember the three pillars, right? The three pillars of your brain function, the three pillars of that little stool, three cord stool stool is only stable with three little legs. So one of the big legs is sleep for your brain, cuz remember, and that's why I bring this up in the context of pour my replacement there. Because if you're not sleeping, cuz you're sweating all night, you're up all night long and you're just like, your brain is erect. Now remember what happens in your brain? It's sleep is that all the little cells you've been talking to each other and your brain all day long, chat, chat, chat, chat, they're making all this garbage Gar they're called garbage proteins. They're just like, there's spewing trash around all over your brain.   (14:43): At night, those little neurons, they shrink down. They shrink back and they leave these little channels in between the cells where the whole body gets to flush out. They just come out with the hose and it flushes out all the garbage at night when you're sleeping. But if you're not sleeping those cells don't shrink back and you're not flushing out the garbage outta your brain every night. So that's one of the big deals about making sure you're getting good sleep during this transition. And lots of times, as you know, and I know it's like, gosh, a patient who's not sleeping. You put them on estrogen sometimes within a week, they're sleeping well again and their brain is clearing up from that brain fog that the other two little parts of the stool are of course having that Mediterranean type diet. So you keep your inflammation down.   (15:26): You keep your nutritional level up while your vitamins up and that extra corner of the stool. And of course the other one is muscles. Remember muscles, the big study on women at age 80, those 80 year old women who had the best cognition had the best muscle function, strongest leg strength, the strongest leg strength, and basically that leg strength and the muscles communicate with the brain. I tell women cuz one of the biggest muscles in our body is the butt muscle, your glute muscle. So I say one of the things I gave this little tip on TikTok and Instagram, that one of the best things for your brain is to do, but squeezes. So ladies, when you're sitting down at your computer, when you're standing, brushing your teeth or in the grocery line or driving somewhere, do your butt squeezes. If you aim for a thousand a day, that's good. I figure if I can do, if you can do a hundred a day, that's good. Keep the muscles going. Cuz the muscles release things into your bloodstream called Mykines that stimulate the brain as well as the whole nervous system that stimulates the brain. So that talk back and forth study just came out last week in the new England general showing people's muscle strength is really a big prevention of dimension. So those are the three, three little stool. Just the little legs on the stool is the sleep, the diet and the muscles.   (16:37): Okay. Super important. And that's one of the reasons why I think testosterone is so important to maintain that muscle mass, because like you said, it's related directly to brain health   (16:47): Cuz I think that's come up a lot with women and you know, of course all of us, it's not FDA approved in the United States, but the European women have had it for 20 years. European women have a, a compound that just comes in a little like little pump that you pump out one pumpy you run it on your wrists and that's your testosterone supply for the day, but we don't have it here.   (17:04): Well we have bioidentical compounded hormones and I'm a big believer in test don't guess. So test the levels and optimize to optimal physiologic levels using a custom compound prescription.   (17:19): Absolutely.   (17:21): Yeah, but we talk a lot about with men that they lose muscle mass, their dopamine goes down, they feel like they've lost their edge when they go through cuz their testosterones going down. But the same things happen for women too. And really in America we only talk about testosterone as it relates to women's sex drive, but it's about so much more it's about brain health and neurotransmitter balance and muscle mass. So it's, I think it's super important.   (17:49): Yeah. I think that it has to be individually tailored made to each woman because I have, I've had a lot of women that you know, that the downside is that you get a little bit, you get more irritable, it's easier to have it's even for women to have road rage road rage on testosterone.   (18:04): I think, yeah. If it's too high, you can definitely have that. But if you get that sweet spot, I mean we, women have testosterone throughout our lives and most of us don't have a problem with it. So if we can get it at that sweet spot that's right for each woman, then I think she doesn't have an overabundance of aggressive tendencies or anything like   (18:24): That. The DHA can sometimes be okay for some women as long as they don't get acne from it, you know?   (18:30): Yes. Okay. So those three pillars I know in the book, boy, you go through so many things. I don't know which to ask you about first let's talk about dementia. So I recently did a, a Ted talk and I, I talked about my mom who has all advanced Alzheimer's and really the only risk factor she had was she had been menopausal without hormone therapy for three decades. And so that's probably her biggest risk. And so hormones are a part of that, but what are other ways that people can fend off dementia, increase longevity and wellbeing.   (19:07): So those studies are really being done. And I think that the estrogen replacement, one of the things we look at that why women have more than men is first of all, of course, women live longer, but you know, not that much longer, like, you know, we're at three or four years longer and that's about it. So, but women, for some reason do have more dementia. I have some of my colleagues who are specialists in Alzheimer's and they really think that that women at the transition should definitely be taking estrogen replacement during this transition to help keep their brain active and functioning. So there's just so many receptors in the brain that for estrogen estrogen receptors, like if you just looked at your, you took a picture of my brain right now with like a special filter that just showed you the estrogen receptors all over men, it would look like the United States with a massive COVID outbreak.   (19:55): You know, they'd be like if they little dots everywhere, you know, cause estrogen receptors throughout our brain and obviously our body too. So that is one thing I suggest for women, the dementia also inflammation. So we think of that inflammation. I talk about this in the book I talk about in the, I have a chapter that's called, you know, the neuroscience of self care and that chapter chapter six and also chapter 14 specifically talks about keeping your brain healthy and avoiding dementia. And besides the estrogen replacement, there's all kinds of things about inflammation and inflammation does not just mean an infection. We always kind of think of it as meaning an infection, but there's a lot that we're learning about. What's called it's a really little technical turn it's called sterile inflammation. It basically means inflammation without an infection. And that happens in our body all day long all the time.   (20:43): And we need to clear out that inflammation all the time. So things like the Mediterranean diet and things like just basically trying to keep all of your vitamin levels at the right level is really very helpful to keeping inflammation down. So anything that you can do, keeping your microbiome and your gut healthy, which is basically comes from eating really healthy fibers. I mean, you do not need to take a handful of probiotics every day. I mean, some people like to take those, but sometimes, sometimes those cause a lot of trouble for people who have small intestine problems and larger intestine problems taking too many probiotics can be a disaster, but some people it can be okay for others. But keeping your microbiome healthy basically comes from eating healthy fibers in your diet, you know, both the soluble and the insoluble fibers. So really paying attention to feeding the wonderful, healthy bacteria down in your colon, cuz they then release compounds that go into your bloodstream right through your gut. So you can help decrease inflammation by feeding your microbiome, the healthy bacteria. I think it kind of like my special little garden down there in my colon that I'm, you know, I just wanna make sure it has the right fertilizer and I right water every day. Just think about it as something you're trying to take good care of and grow to be its most beautiful.   (21:56): I remember this book, maybe you do two called my secret garden. Do you remember that book? That's learned about sex? It was at my friend's house and I found this book, my secret God, but now to me, my secret garden is my gut garden. (22:12): Yes. True. I know, I know. I think of my little babies down there that I'm just trying to like keep healthy and keep feeding them the right stuff and et cetera, et cetera. So yeah, you're absolutely right. That's one of the important things about this secret and microbiome. So that's something else that really can help keep the inflammation in your body down. And we do know that things like alcohol, alcohol really amps up your inflammation in your body and your brain. And it does all kinds of things to basically well increases your risk of breast cancer. It increases your risk of dementia. It's really, I know that's such a part of our culture, but you know, women, we do everything. We women do everything just to try to look healthy and stay healthy at this stage. That's one of the things not in eating like handful of, you know, sweets, like, you know, you don't go through a whole, a box of bond bonds anymore. Do we?   (23:01): no, we don't. And I love that you talk about in the book, really the dangers of alcohol, I think a lot of practitioners skirt over it because they don't wanna be the bad guy, but I was just talking with a client this morning and she's like, really? I can't have any alcohol. I said, no, you can do what you want. I'm just gonna educate you about the consequences of the choices you're making. And then actually one of my health coaches who works with me in my program said, everybody's asking me about switching out their alcohol for cannabis. Is that better? I'm wondering what your thoughts are on that.   (23:37): I think that the cannabis question is really interesting and I mean just in terms of, in terms of its harmfulness to you versus alcohol, I do agree with that first one. I agree that it's probably less, much less harmful than alcohol to your health and your brain actually. However, there's all kinds of things with it that we don't entirely understand right now. I mean, for one thing, it can give you the munch she's really bad. It can make you put on weight, you know? So all of our efforts are trying to keep that the belly fat down, it doesn't help with that cuz it just makes you wanna eat carbs. So, you know, it's like everything in moderation. I mean the best healthiest thing is to switch alcohol to water.   (24:17): Yeah. But I used to think I would get the same effects like I could drinking 12 years ago and I would do a yin yoga class after work. And I would feel like I had a glass of wine and you really invoke that parasympathetic nervous system. So I think there are a lot of ways to get around the wine o'clock routine.   (24:37): I think once people become meditators are doing yoga or doing, you know, things that are, that are much more stimulating your bagel nerve and your parasympathetic nervous system. When I talk about in the book, the alternate nostril, the nine round NOST thing and also the nurturing moment meditations that I talk about in the book too. There's there are ways that just really calm your nervous system and increase your bagel, nervous system, your parasympathetic nervous system. And actually in Atlanta at Emory university, they have a whole division that basically is researching and teaching the compassionate meditation practices.   (25:11): Oh, I love that. And you have so many resources in the book, so I can't everybody listening or highly recommend it and some great stories. You're gonna see yourself in these stories. And I'm wondering if you can share a little bit Dr. Elaine, about what inspired you to write this book?   (25:30): I wrote the book, the female brain, and it came out, you know, in 2006. And it was really about from the moment of conception up until the transition until the upgrade, you know, it was at that stage. And the last chapter in that book is called the mature female brain in chapter seven. So it's basically that book sort of stopped about the time to take off on all the things about the upgrade. And I wrote that at a time when I hadn't experienced those parts of life into the upgrade yet. And so when I started going through those years and things myself, I realized, oh my gosh, there's so much more to tell that I hadn't told that so important that has to do with our brains and our hormones and just our entire life and the stories of our life as they basically, you know, chapter eight is also on mothering adult children, you know, mothering adult, you know, teens and adult children and a whole nother thing.   (26:21): You know? So the, you know, the female brain book, I have a chapter, chapter five is on, it's called the mommy brain, but that was from pregnancy. You know, it was a whole different look and I hadn't experienced what it's like to try to mother an adult son. You know, I was like, are you kidding? You have to, there's all kinds of landmines you have to learn to avoid. So, so that's the reason I decided to write is there's just so much more that I felt needed to be said. And also the end of the book also goes through what we go through in terms of decisions that we make either with our parents as they're aging. And I'm sure you've had to do a lot of that, which is really painful and very difficult, but it's stuff that we need to talk about. We need to be aware of that stage of our lives.   (27:03): It is it's so important and you know, we are the sandwich generation. So I know a lot of women who are between children who maybe haven't left the nest quite yet, and parents who need their time and attention and care. And you talk about the importance of community connection, the epidemic of loneliness, how that's affecting us, what advice do you have for a woman who's navigating the sandwich, ears, getting her upgrade. And you talk about the wisdom phase and she's thinking Dr. Luanne, how do I bring my wisdom? Like I'm just overrun with all these responsibilities. How can you help her navigate this   (27:45): Again? You're juggling as fast as you can. When you like with, when you used to have really young children and infants saying you're having a job and trying to juggle, I know what that's like. That's like a little it's really you look back at and like, God, I've got PTSD from doing that   (28:01): Too. Oh, my   (28:03): Being a doctor being in the early part of your career where you're basically, I was at a university, I was in the shark tank and I was really in the shark tank cuz I was one of the only women. There are all these guy professors and they don't, they don't even know what to do with you. They just think that you're weird. But anyway, , and now you're in a different stage where you've got, like you say some probably mid-teens or teens at home. And then you're also trying to sandwich generation trying to care for. So, and then you're having all this experience of finally being released from all the hormonal pushes and pulls. And you may have some more brain power and some more, you know, you may have some more slots on your dance card that you get to fill, but all they may be being filled up with the needs and care taking of others. And I think there's a time that I have three words to say to women it's called self care, self care, self care, because you can only take care of others really, truly on an ongoing basis from your overflow of being filled up yourself with what you need. So you gotta put your own oxygen mask on first, before you can help others.   (29:06): I know it's so true. And I, we say it, but I still see women struggling with that. But I think we can both give you all, if you're listening permission, permission to love yourself first, right? You have a prescription.   (29:22): Not the reason it's not selfish is because you've gotta keep your gas tank filled up in order to help others and to help yourself. So you gotta track whatever practice you find. That's good. That's working for you. If you're doing compassionate meditation, you're learning that you nurturing moment meditation that I talk about or you're joining other women. I mean, I think that's women. We get a lot of love and care from our women friends. You know, we end from our, from some of our social engagements and we need to keep the channels open with our girlfriends. Actually, there's the study that, that I talk about in the book about where if you go out twice a week with at least three to four of your girlfriends, you live 15 years longer.   (30:02): Oh, I love that   (30:04): Shocking number, a shocking number. So it don't feel like it's a selfish thing. If you're, you know, we women, we feel like we need to keep ourselves alive and healthy cuz we feel that we're helping these other people with their lives. And we can't just bail on our life. Cuz we have other people that we love that we wanna care for. And yet we have to learn that it's not selfish at all on the contrary to take really good care of yourself and fill up your own gas tank so that you can put your own oxygen mask on and be able to help others. You must help yourself first and only be able to give to others from your overflow. The only thing you've got to give us on a constant basis is from your over. So ladies fill up your gas tank first.   (30:46): Yeah. And you share in the book, I wasn't aware of this, that there's the greatest increase in suicides among women over 60 and it's not being studied or really discussed. I wasn't aware of that   (30:57): Really shocking. Nobody's talking, you know, we are all talking about teen suicide, right? I mean, that's the thing that gets everybody's mind cuz it's like it happens at schools and et cetera, et cetera. But, and the alcoholism alcoholism level in women over 60 is skyrocketing. Especially since COVID, it's really, I mean it's a real listen, those women, women 60 plus are in a health crisis right now.   (31:20): It is so true. And I think w H I, the women's health and issue study has a lot to do with that. Cuz there's so many women, I think what is the statistic? Less than 5% of women are using hormone therapy and all the consequences that that brings. Right?   (31:37): Remember it went from 40% almost being on it to, and when that came out within the next two years, it struck to eight to 5%. And you know, a lot of the women that were seeing that are 60 plus they didn't. And a lot of my girlfriends didn't get it. I mean I did cause I'm a doctor. I had a hysterectomy when I was 53, my girlfriend was my surgeon. She put the patch on me in the recovery room and she says, Laurie, you're gonna do this patch and you're gonna keep it. So, you know, I had the advantage of like having medical care at that time, even though we think about it 2005 was only three years after the w H I or two years after the w H I came out.   (32:11): Right.   (32:11): And so osteoporosis, I mean, I have so many girlfriends whose bones are just falling to bits. There are osteoporotic, you know? So I just feel like at any rate, it's a crisis and we doctors, you know, you and I we're in this. And I mean, we feel it for our patients, you know, doesn't it make you mad sometimes. I mean, just makes me really mad that this was allowed to go on for so long. This was allowed to go on for 20 years and it's still going on. I have so many patients come to me. I'm sure you do too. That they can't find anybody to give them hormones.   (32:42): Yeah. I mean, that's one of the reasons I created her hormone club, a telemedicine membership nationwide. So women could access, testing and treatment with natural hormones because there are so many doctors still who won't prescribe it and advise against   (33:00): It. Why it's not because they don't care for their patients. It's cuz they're scared. And remember for 20 years, the OB GYN profession has not been teaching in residencies. Some of them come out of there with less than one lecture in their whole residency on hormone therapy. They don't even know they they're, they're basically uneducated   (33:22): So true. And when I was researching for my Ted talk, I came across articles. You know, it wasn't just us, me saying it, new England journal of medicine, journal of women's health and Mayo clinic proceedings all had articles on the fact that doctors are not trained in the management of women's hormones at midlife and beyond and are unprepared to treat women at this stage of life. I said, it's not me saying it it's documented incredible journals. So I think, you know, in any woman listening, you're probably not gonna get the whole story at your regular doctors. It's not their fault. They're good people. It's just that they're not taught that   (34:00): They're not. And so we did have some mega you and I have a megaphone out there and I feel, I don't know about you, but you, we both, you and I can tell, we feel as part of our mission to let women that's. Part of the reason I wrote this book is part of my mission to let give women permission, to do many, many things with their life at this transition, but also give them permission to seek out and get the hormones. They need to protect their bones, protect their brain, to protect their sleep, et cetera, et cetera, and not have brain fog and be going down the rabbit hole of depression and anxiety. I'm sure you see the depression and anxiety that this stage of life causes. And it's like, of course, estrogen replacement doesn't treat a, a full on full blown clinical depression, but it can stop a lot of women from a slippery slope of sliding down there. I'm sure you've seen that in your practice all the time.   (34:48): Oh my gosh. If I didn't have my hormones, when this started for me, the spectrum in my forties, I wanted to die. So , I know when women tell me that they're miserable and they're in their forties or beyond usually sex hormones are a part of that, you know, but they're going to their doctors and getting SSRIs or antidepressants, which isn't the whole story. And I've never found a woman who came in from an SSRI and said, oh my gosh, I feel amazing.   (35:17): Hi, absolutely not. As a matter of fact, they feel they can't have an orgasm cuz SSRI block their orgasms. And a lot of women don't even know that and they're not actually told that that much. And then, and then they also, they, they put on the drug Paxil, the one that's called peroxetine it's also called BI. You know, it's given for hot flashes too. It is the number. One of all the SSRI that causes on average 18 pounds of weight gain per year.   (35:40): Yeah. I'm not signing up for that.   (35:42): no, I know. I just that's that's you know, it's just not a, so the reality is, is that SSRI are really fabulous to help people over a, a, a glitch difficult spot. They can be very helpful. Then what happens though, is people get stuck on them because the withdrawal syndrome of trying to get off of them makes women feel temporarily while they're trying to taper off slowly. That's why take people down on really tiny, tiny taper to, I take them off from over two months. Most, some doctors will take them off over two weeks and then they crash and burn, but you get rebound depression from it unless you do it slowly. And so they think that underneath it all, they're really still that depressed. They need those meds for the rest of their life. And they're told by some doctors, they need them for the rest of their life.   (36:27): Well, they don't. I mean, so anyway that you gotta get me, that's one of my hobby heart. I swear. I mean, I've used those drugs for my entire career, cuz they're very helpful. And of course I treat a lot more, you know, anxiety and depression than you do. Cause that's, you know, that's where a lot of people come to me for, but they're women that are on glitches of their hormones. I don't wanna see them go down that rabbit hole. I wanna see them have their hormones balanced correctly before they go down that rabbit hole.   (36:51): Yes. Oh my gosh. So much to talk about. I'm gonna encourage everyone to get the book and read it. It is, there's a plethora of information, inspiration, wisdom. I'm wondering if you can share, we will have a, a link in the show notes where you can go download the first chapter of the book for free Dr. Louann's website. So we'll have that link in the show notes, but what are you planning to do with the rest of your upgrade and this wisdom phase in life?   (37:20): Well, you know, I'm, by now I'm doing the book tour and I'm doing lots of podcasts. I'm wanting to, you know, speak to as many women as I possibly can over this next year. And there's so much more than I'm starting to work on a PBS series on this topic. So stay tuned. I think that may come out next to March, but if it happens, I'll, I'll keep you posted fingers crossed the, all the editors and the producers wanna do this. Cause I think women really need like women. You see women all the time. Women are desperate and there's really, I feel that there's a failure on the medical professions part to help women at this stage of life. They just bail on them. They don't help them. So I'm so glad that you're out there doing this and we need to multiply you times a hundred thousand.   (38:01): Oh, I mean, we need you in every city, whatever I know, thank God for the thank out for the internet, cuz you can do it all over now. But you see that all the time. Don't you feel the same. It's just like, I feel that women are they're suffering needlessly. I want, I know listen. Life is full of suffering. Life is the truth of the matter is look, life is full of suffering. We're only human. All of us have suffering in our life, but there's a level at which you don't have to have suffering because of your hormones. Like leaving your body during the state of life. You know, we have a fix for that. Now it can help you. So I just want women to feel, don't   (38:34): Feel, feel guilty or bad about it just because your doctor doesn't know about it. Go find another doctor. Yeah, stop going to the hardware store for milk. They don't have it. They won't have it. Not gonna have it. So just go to the milk store and you know, so the hormones, thank you so much for joining me, Dr. Louann, this has been wonderful. Everybody go get the book. I can't recommend it highly enough. We will look for your PBS special, super excited about that. We will have the link in the show notes to go, go to Dr. Louann's website and download the first chapter four free on her website. And thank you so much for joining us today. Oh, it's my deep deep honor and pleasure to get to speak with your audience and to get to meet you as well. So anyway, best of wishes to all of you and your audience. Thank you for having me and thank you all for joining me for another episode of the hormone prescription with Dr. Kirin. I want you to take action with the information you have heard. Dr. Louann has a wealth of information. She cite all the studies. She's got the data in her book. You wanna get this book for sure. And then I want you to take action and follow me on social. And let's talk about what you're doing. I will see you again next week until then peace, love and hormones. Y'all   (39:51): Thank you so much for listening. I know that incredible vitality occurs for women over 40. When we learn to speak hormone and balance these vital regulators to create the health and the life that we deserve. If you're enjoying this podcast, I'd love it. If you give me a review and subscribe, it really does help this podcast out so much. You can visit the hormone prescription.com or we have some free gifts for you and you can sign up to have a hormone evaluation with me on the podcast to gain clarity into your personal situation until next time, remember, take small steps each day to balance your hormones and watch the wonderful changes in your health that begin to unfold for you. 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    The Secrets To Pelvic Floor Success

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 23, 2022 48:03


    Are you ashamed to talk about your pelvic floor? You're not alone. Millions of women suffer from incontinence and other pelvic floor disorders, but they're often too embarrassed to seek help.   In this episode of The Hormone Prescription Podcast, we're joined by Jana Danielson, a pelvic floor specialist who's here to dish the secrets to pelvic floor success. From how to keep things tight down there to how to manage incontinence, Jana's got the lowdown on everything you need to know about keeping your pelvic floor healthy and happy.   Jana Danielson helps women have better pelvic floor function by using the Cooch Ball, the world's first patented pelvic floor fitness tool for women. She is an Amazon Best Selling Author, the Founder of Lead Pilates and Lead Integrated Health Therapies, and the Metta District, an online wellness community. Jana has coached and consulted with tens of thousands of women from all over the world to help improve their quality of life, their confidence, and their impact in this world.     In this episode, you'll learn: The symptoms of a weak pelvic floor and how to know if you have one How the pelvic floor is connected to the whole body and why it's important to keep it strong The secrets to pelvic floor success How to keep things tight down there How to manage incontinence The importance of pelvic floor health   So, whether you're suffering in silence or just want to learn more about how to take care of your lady parts, this is the episode for you! Tune in now and get started on your journey to pelvic floor success.   (00:00): Joseph Pilates said, breath is the first and last act of life. And somewhere in the middle, we forget how to do it. What does this have to do with the secrets to pelvic floor success, stay tuned and you'll find out.   (00:15): So the big question is how do women over 40, like us keep weight off, have great energy balance. Our hormones in our moods feel sexy and confident and master midlife. If you're like most of us, you are not getting the answers you need and remain confused and pretty hopeless to ever feel like yourself. Again. As an OB GYN, I had to discover for myself the truth about what creates our rock solid metabolism, lasting weight loss, and supercharged energy. After 40 in order to lose a hundred pounds and fix my fatigue. Now I'm on a mission. This podcast is designed to share the natural tools you need for impactful results. And to give you clarity on the answers to your midlife metabolism challenges, join me for tangible natural strategies to crush the hormone imbalances you are facing and help you get unstuck from the sidelines of life. My name is Dr. Kyrin Dunston welcome to the hormone prescription podcast.   (01:09): Hi, everybody. Welcome back to the hormone prescription with Dr. Kyrin. Thanks so much for joining me today. We're talking about pelvic floor disorders and how to be successful in helping and healing them today with Jana Danielson, you're gonna love her. It really struck me how incredibly revolutionary what she has created is after I interviewed her and looked more into the product that she's developed and the educational platform that she's developed for women suffering with pelvic floor disorders, which is, mm, a lot of us as we age, frankly, and she's gonna go through, how do you identify if you have a pelvic floor disorder, it's not really common Parlin that we say, Hey, do you have a pelvic floor disorder? And so she's gonna talk about the symptoms that you would be having that could alert you, that you have some type of pelvic floor dysfunction going on.   (02:12): And more than that, she's got solutions, amazing solutions. And I really love how, when we lean into the problems that we're so hard, lean into those questions that we can come up with some revolutionary answers and solutions. And Jana did just that. So I'm gonna tell you a little bit about her and then we'll get started. So Jana Danielson helps women have better pelvic floor function by using the cooch ball. The world's first patented pelvic floor fitness tool for women. She's an Amazon bestselling author, the founder of lead Pilates and lead integrated health therapies and the meta district, an online wellness community, Jana has coached and consulted with tens of thousands of women from all over the world world to help improve their quality of life, their confidence, and their impact in this world. Welcome Jana.   (03:06): Thank you, Dr. Dunston. It's great to be here.   (03:09): I'm so excited to have you join me today. We haven't really talked about pelvic floor health on the podcast, how that's happened. I don't even know cuz it's a super important topic and you've created an amazing product for women to use before we talk about that. Can you talk a little bit about how you became so interested in and became an expert in pelvic floor health for women?   (03:33): Yeah, absolutely. So I am the mom of three boys. They're now 17, 19 and 21. So I, it's not like I'm a new mom, but in my career I had a career shift about 16 or 17 years ago from the world of corporate into wellness, entrepreneurship and Pilates actually for me became a vehicle that I used for my own healing. A lot of undiagnosed pain, a lot of protecting a lot of holding, a lot of tension in my body, which created a lot of dysfunction and a lot of disconnection from my body. And so through Pilates, I started to understand the way our body worked as systems. You know, we're not pieces. We think sometimes were arms and legs and organs and skin and hair. And, but we're much more than that. We're a skeletal system and lymphatic system and a reproductive system and a digestive system.   (04:26): And what I started learning through my training and my own healing was that these systems when compromised are not just standalone compromised systems, they're gonna impact other systems in the body. And when that happens, using the hyphenated word, DISE dis-ease is one of the outcomes that can be present in the body. And that's what was happening with me. I became a very, I was, I looked seemingly healthy on the outside, but on the inside I was slowly, I felt like I was slowly dying. I was losing my voice. I became a very, not so confident. Young woman didn't know if I'd ever be able to be a mom. Didn't know why I would marry my high school sweetheart, who just proposed to me because my body was not working for me. And when I found Pilates, it completely changed my life. And as part of that, I guess, experience 16 weeks into starting my Pilates journey. I was off all 11 medications that I had been prescribed to manage different symptoms that I had been experiencing for two years prior to that. And it really intrigued me.   (05:36): Could you talk a little bit about what was going on for you in detail? Like you said, your body just wasn't working for you, you're on all these medications. I know everybody's wondering like what in the world was happening.   (05:47): So for me it was manifesting or presenting itself as digestive pain. And this had started when I think back to it, like back in high school, I am the first born child. I am a pretty driven individual and I would get this pain. And I always in my mind just thought, well that's because I am vying for that high mark on that test. Or I wanna make that team or I want it right. And I just chalked it up to nerves. My little small town doctor also chalked it up to nerves and I just started taking tongues. Cause I just thought it was, you know, a little bit of acid in my gut. And it turned out to be much more than that. The pain, it was like a, a baseball size pain just back from my belly button. And it would overcome me. I would be doubled over.   (06:37): It was hard to breathe. I would find myself sitting at my desk at work, kind of pressing the angle of the desk into just above my belly button and I would breathe and that would kind of calm it down for me. It hurt when I moved, it hurt when I didn't move. It hurt when I was sexual with my then fiance, it hurt when I was going for groceries it, so I actually named my pain. I named my pain, the edge and it personified that part of me that I had zero control over and it helped me to, to cope. Right. And so the medications started to get added on as I went through a process of specialist specialist specialist, this test, that test to the point where I sat with members of my medical team. And they told me that they believed that the pain was in my head and that I was seeking attention and that there was nothing more that they could do for me.   (07:31): And so that's when Pilates, it was a dark time for me. I was in a very, not so great space in my mind. Back then, I wouldn't have said that I was depressed, but as I look back, yeah, I was. And what I decided one day when I saw Madonna on the cover of a fitness magazine in the grocery store and it had the word Pilates splashed across it, I decided that I would buy that magazine and read that article because I was a big Madonna fan. And what I read was words that talked about alignment of the spine and breathing with this muscle called the diaphragm and balance with the front of the body and the back of the body. And there was words like eccentric, like length and muscles. And I thought, oh, this is kind of like yoga. I should do this.   (08:18): You know, I had a yoga practice and I went to my first Pilates class and it actually was one of the most disturbing lack of confidence, 50 minutes of my life. And if I wasn't such darn keener, and if I hadn't taken my new Pilates mat to the front row of that class, I would've rolled it up and I would've made a B line, but I, I went right to the front right by the instructor. And when she started speaking to me that day, she should have been speaking a foreign language because she was saying things like inhale through your nose to expand the space in your torso, exhale out of your mouth, make this H a ha sound. As you let the air exit and you let your ribs melt into, like, she was saying these things. And I was like, what is she actually saying?   (09:08): Cause my down body would not do any of it. And I didn't know, should I laugh or should I cry? And, and after the class I rolled up my mat and my instructor walked up to me and she, well, she said to me, just hang, hang out for a few minutes. So she said goodbye to everybody else. She walked up to me, and she wrapped her arms around me. And I melted, I burst into tears because for the first time in my life, I actually did not know what was wrong with me because I couldn't do the simple act of breathing. The first thing we do when we   (09:48): On   (09:48): His body, right, is we take that first big gasp of air and we breathe. I couldn't even do that. And it was very humbling for me. And all my instructors said to me that day was come back on Thursday. That's all she said. And she opened up her arms and I walked out and my husband was waiting for me or my fiance at that point was waiting for me outside. And I walked out and it looked like I was chopping onions. My eyes were like red and puffy from crying. And he is like, what the hell just happened in that class? Like why, why, why are you on your knees crying? And I was like, I just have to come back on Thursday. That's all I kept saying, I have to come back on Thursday. And that was one of those defining moments for me in my life, where I was, where I realized maybe I was looking in the wrong place for my healing. Maybe I actually had the empowerment to see within me if I could heal here first. And that's what I did. And over the next 16 weeks, I went twice a week to that class and I practiced and I practiced and I practiced. And by Christmas of that year, I had weaned myself off of all 11 of my medications. And I was just ripe for wanting to know more about the body. And that's really how my journey started.   (11:08): Okay. Yeah. You know, we who do yoga, we think we know Pilates, and then you go to a Pilates class and you're like, I don't know Jack about this and the breathing I'm with you. You go. And it's like, have I ever breathed the breath in my life? You think where you go to Pilates? Like you're doing it all wrong. OK. So that started your journey. And then you eventually became a master teacher, and you've got companies that teach Pilates. Yeah. And so what led to the pelvic floor revelation?   (11:39): Yeah. So for me through my Pilates training and going to different conferences and meeting different people, I was always intrigued. So before Pilates, I used to teach other forms of fitness. And I never had heard before that the pelvic floor was a part of the core. I always thought your erectus abs and your O Bleaks and your transverse abs, that was your core. And as I started to learn that the core, the way I was taught is a cylindrical-shaped system. You have on the very outer layer at the front of your body, your six pack, right? Those reus, a dominance, and then deeper to that, you have the sling system of the internal and external or external O Bleaks that twist you and, you know, pick up your purse off the floor. Then you've got those deep transverse abs that start in your low back, wrapped to your front, like a corset to give you shape and posture security for your POS or for your organs.   (12:35): But then there's a top and a bottom to that cylinder. The diaphragm is the main muscle of respiration like that mushroom cap sits at the top of the cylinder of the core. And the pelvic floor finishes the structure as the floor of the core. And I was like, okay, wait a minute. So this is actually true when I'm doing my abdominal work through Pilates or before I used to teach boot camps. I never ever once cued my own body or cued my clients to activate their pelvic floor as they were doing a plank or doing, you know, curling up doing a roll up in Pilates. And I was like, how did I miss this? What did I do to miss this major fact? And so I just started digging more and more and more. And through my learning, I understood that the diaphragm and the pelvic floor work in a unit as a system like BFFs in the body.   (13:29): So when the diaphragm is not properly functioning and as women, we carry attention in two main spots, right? Head, neck, and shoulders and through the pelvis. So we have been given this primary breathing muscle in our body, the diaphragm that's huge and very underutilized. And then of course, we've been given the secondary breathing muscles that live in our neck, they're called the scale lanes and the sternal mastoid. And they're like little strips of like beef jerky. They're meant to help when needed. They're not meant to be like the lead actress in a movie, but for so many of us, because of our forward head carriage, the tension we carry, you know, we grip our jaw. We forget to breathe during the day we use those little beef jerky muscles as the primary breathers. And so at that point, ladies, we're like a little, a beautiful little goldfish using our gills to breathe on the side of our neck, adding more and more and more tension.   (14:31): Cuz those muscles already have a job. They ought to hold our head up. We forget that we have this beautiful big muscle to diaphragm that when, when not used, when not functional directly impacts our pelvic floor. And I was like, it was like this light bulb moment where I was like, oh my gosh, I need to start teaching this way. I need to start teaching beyond the keel cuz it is, I call it beyond the keel because when a keel, any movement taught improperly can be detrimental from a functional perspective. Right. So I just started like gobbling up more and more information and trying different things out. And the women I was teaching, it was like, again, like me in that first Pilates class, I was speaking a different language. They're like, we're supposed to be using our pelvic floor when we breathe. And I'm like, yes, on the exhale, it's like drawing, you know, drawing that pelvic floor up like slurping up a straw, like picking up a grape with your vagina.   (15:30): That's the exhale. Because when we take a big breath in our lungs filled with air, our diaphragm is at rest because the diaphragm from the pelvic floor buddies, when the diaphragm rest, the pelvic floor has to rest. When we exhale the lungs empty of air, the diaphragm gets to kind of come into its full glory and work. And that's when the pelvic floor works. Right? So that's why when we're lifting up our kids or picking up weights or bags of groceries, we wanna lift and stand on that exhale phase of breath. It's gonna protect our low back our organs and our pelvic cause our pelvic floor is in action. So that's what started to intrigue me. And then I did some work with Dr. Bruce Crawford. Who's a urogynecologist from Reno, Nevada, and his research showed that 90% of women with any sort of pelvic floor dysfunction, either coughing or sneezing and peeing a bit, or you know, hyper tone where there's just a lack of tone in the muscle or frequency where I don't have to go pee now.   (16:28): But like in a nanosecond, if I don't get to the bathroom, I'm gonna have an accident. All of those women, if there were 10 of them in a room, nine of those women could be taught how to use those muscles connect with those nerves and release that fascia in that area in a new way to create an environment for function. Only one of those women would have to get wheeled into a surgery room to get a pelvic floor mesh pinup surgery. And I was like, hold on here. So what you're saying is that movement can heal 90% of these cases. How empowering is that? And that's really what was the impetus for me to be like, I wanna do more about this. And I knew already for my Pilates training, that things like, you know, using a foam roller or a pinky release ball on your shoulders or a foam roller on your it band, the, you know, the piece of fashion between and the hip would provide healing release of the fascia, healthy blood flow oxygen, rich nutrient, rich environment for those cells to flourish. I was like, how would I create that in the pelvic floor? And that's what I did with the Cooch ball. And, and when I started to educate about it, it was challenging for me because no one talks about their pelvic floor. Everyone pretends they're good. Like   (17:43): Everyone pretends, they don't have one. No, they don't have a vagina because nobody talks about, they think, think vagina is a bad word, which it's not, but let's back up a little bit, cuz this is really good. So some people know what we're talking about when we said pelvic floor dysfunction, you mentioned briefly some of the symptoms. Yeah. But just so everybody listening can identify, is this me? Or is this not me? Okay. I mean, it probably applies to most women who have had children because there's so much dysfunction that occurs when that big baby comes through and rips through everything. But can you kind of go through the symptoms that women would be identifying or noticing if they have pelvic floor dysfunction?   (18:29): Yeah. Okay. So think of it like a continuum, like a number line. Okay. So on one end of the spectrum, we have what is called hyper H Y P E R tonic. Okay. Hyper tone. Too much tone, too much tension too tight. Okay. So constipation is actually a very common symptom that a lot of women don't realize can be attributed to the pelvic floor pain during intercourse is another symptom of a pelvic floor that is too tight, right? Even just general pelvic floor pain can be an indicator of some dysfunction in that area. On the other side of the spectrum, there is high tone. H I P oone a lack of tone. All right, there can be, this is where yeah. You might cough or sneeze or a laugh and have a little bit of wedding, or maybe you're starting a learn to run program.   (19:32): Although I do have to say in hyper tone, sometimes that coughing or sneezing too can cause a little bit of an accident because you're holding, holding, holding all the time and you do that sneeze. Right. And there's a little bit of displacement of, of urine. And so those are some of the more common there is urge frequency as well. And urge is actually, it is a pathway, a neural pathway that starts to get developed when we don't wait for our bladder to actually completely fill before the brain sends the message. Like I better go to the bathroom. And so what happens over time and we've probably all done this before, even as moms like to our kids, okay, we're going on a little road trip, go to the bathroom. I don't need to go mom, just go try, but I don't have to go, just go try.   (20:18): Right. And we, we sit when they just don't need to, or you just don't need to then don't because what that starts to train is if you start to empty your bladder and it's only a third full, when it gets a third full, your brain's gonna be like, oh, it's a third fold and you're gonna go and you're gonna pee for like five seconds and be like, well, is that it right? And then less than an hour later, you're gonna be going again. So there's all of these little parts to pelvic floor, you know, health and wellness, wellness. Now women who have had yes, large babies, a hundred percent, there can be some pelvic floor dysfunction women going into menopause. I think we just anticipate as our hormones are changing, the tone of the pelvic floor is gonna change. And that's just become something we just expect as we age.   (21:05): And it doesn't necessarily always have to be that way. I have clients who have never had babies. I have had clients I have had actually moms buy my product for their 9, 10, 11 year old tween daughters who are still wetting the bed and don't wanna go to a sleepover because they, and in a lot of these cases, these young girls are like high level dancers or figure skaters or performers. And they are, they're teaching their body to hold right, to create a shape. And they're actually having pelvic floor dysfunction at those ages being shown as bedwetting. And we've had tremendous success there. Right? So one of the main messages through this education around what is a pelvic floor dysfunction symptom is it's not just for older ladies and women that have had babies. It's like, we think about, we want strong glutes so we can walk up and downstairs.   (22:08): We want strong arms so we can, you know, have a high level of functioning in our life activities of daily living. But yet, like you said earlier on tuck to Dunton, there's some people that don't even think we have a pelvic floor or they'll use terms like down there, like you said, they don't use vagina. They don't talk about any of that. And men too have pelvic floors, men, pelvic floor dysfunction can show itself as erectile dysfunction. It can show itself as back pain, tight hips, even in women. Right? And there's a main nerve that comes out of our brain down into that area of our body called the ental nerve. And the Al nerve is pretty special. Cause it does two main things. It's a sensory nerve. So the sensuality of that area of our body, and it's a motor nerve, it's like the main messaging system from our brain to our pelvic floor.   (22:58): And even things as simple as our posture, putting our phone in our back pocket. Think back to our high school days. I know maybe some of you were like me where I would lay on my bed with a coat hanger to zip up my acid wash jeans, cuz they were so tight, right? Like remember those days. And so even the clothing that we wear, the shoes that we wear, it all plays into this ability for this floor. It's a series of muscles that are kind of layered on each other, like a hammock. And over time when we don't take care of it because we live on a planet with gravity, prolapse can be an outcome of a lack of pelvic floor understanding and health because those organs can start to descend mm-hmm and we can fix in a grade one and two, but once those organs have start to displace themselves outside of the body, all the cooch ball work in the world is not gonna bring those back up inside. So we wanna avoid that,   (24:01): Right? Oh my God. So this is such a good conversation. So I have to give a little Latin lesson real quick. When I was in medical school and we had to learn anatomy, we had this ginormous book with all these Latin terms and we had to memorize them. I was obsessed with looking up at the origins of these words. So Pual is from Latin. It means ashamed. And it is the nerve that interviews the vulva and vagina. Is that ridiculous? Right? And that's where hysterectomy comes from. They said that that was what made a woman's womb is what made her hysterical. So hysterectomy was taking out the hysteria part of her. So I know, I hope everyone is very upset right now hearing this, but this is how the female genitalia has been named. So there's a reason why we're all ashamed to say vagina.   (24:52): We act like we don't have one. We call it down there. And so I wanna say free yourself, everybody pause this recording. And I want you to scream out loud right now, vagina, vagina, vagina. okay. And start calling your parts by their anatomic names. But actually vagina comes from also, I can't remember if it's Greek or Latin, which means the sheath of a man's sword. That's what vagina comes from. So you really don't wanna call it that either. So Yi is kind of the thing that we should be calling it. So I correct myself. I forgot that. So Yi. So anyway, I had to say that, but I think this is fascinating. What you're saying about girls, young girls. I had no idea about that. And then I also wanted to ask you, a lot of women suffer with Vaness, you know, where they get this spasm of those pelvic floor muscles, making intercourse painful, if not impossible, especially if there's a history of sexual trauma. Is this something that you would include in pelvic floor dysfunction that the ball that you're gonna tell us all about in a second might help.   (26:02): Yeah, absolutely. And you know, there is such a right now my latest anatomical obsession is the so as muscle and I'm like really diving D I, I go through these phases, right. And I am just right now, like super obsessed with the function that the, so as plays with the pelvic floor and the pelvic organs and the location of them. And so when you talk about Vaness and any sort of like spasmodic experience that, that people have when I'm using and kind of coaching on with, with my coach ball clients, sometimes we don't go right into the pelvic floor. Like we actually will work around it. So we'll get them, get them to actually start using their ball. And we'll talk more about it as a way to like a pelvic floor release laying on their tummy or sorry, a so as release, laying on their tummy, we'll do a lot of work into the sacrum, you know, into that SI area with the ball, we do a lot of release work through part of the glute, especially through the pure form.   (27:12): And we start to just gently pay attention to get some healthy blood flow and a little bit of like aha around the area. And then, you know, we'll come into working with the pelvic floor, cuz sometimes there's such a pattern like you, you mentioned trauma, especially with sexual trauma. There is such a deeply rooted pattern neurologically that the Physica like, you know, that woman literally has no control will just get, even get the ball close to her, sitting on it. And she's like, I'm out camped. Right? Right. So we really have to focus on and we play around with breath. We'll do some sniffing breath. We'll do some more calming breath work. And that's why it's kind of like that. I always explain it to my women. Like if you see a squirrel and you've got a handful of sunflower seeds and you really want that little squirrel to eat those sunflower seeds, you kind of have to turn your head away from the Palm of your hand. As you slowly bring it down to the ground and slide over to the squirrel. Otherwise if you come hard and fast, the squirrel's gonna dart, right? Mm-Hmm this in a lot of cases with our pelvic floor, we need to come at it in a slow, steady way so that our brain, our mind and our body can come together to start to have a bit of a healing experience.   (28:34): Okay. Great point. So now let's get to talking about this amazing device that you developed and I know everybody can't see because this is audio only. So you're gonna have to check out Jana's webinar on it. She'll and you can watch it. So talk about the Cooch ball.   (28:53): Yeah. So the Cooch ball was the outcome of me sitting night after night at my kitchen table with my complaining about why does no one talk about the pelvic floor? Why did none of my clients ask me questions? And then my inbox is full. Like I, you know, I was on my little rant and finally he said to me, Janna, do something about it or stop talking about it. And it was like I said, what do you mean do something about it? He's like, well, make something, create something, create something that you can use to help your clients connect with this part of their body. And I was like, okay. And the next day I started creating and I started just playing around as a mom of three boys. We had all different kinds of balls in our basement. I started sitting on them and it was kind of like the three bears, some were way too hard and way too small.   (29:43): Some were way too big and way. And I was like, I'm just gonna make my own. And that's what I did. I spent in my true entrepreneurial fashion, I got on the phone and I was calling big corporate sporting goods manufacturers like Spalding will. And I would introduce myself and I'd be I'm Janet Danielson from Saskatoon, Canada. And I'm a Pilates instructor and I wanna make this pelvic floor ball. Who would I talk to in your organization? And I would get, I got laughed at, I got hung up on and I just, I didn't quit. I didn't quit. And so I found a manufacturer offshore and I created the ball and I got a patent lawyer and he's like, yep, there's a design and utility patent here. I got, my first unit arrived in January of 2020. I was off to Tampa for a shark tank type entrepreneurial competition with the home shopping network.   (30:33): And I won that competition and was scheduled to go back to Tampa, to shoot my first eight minute show in April of 2020. And then the gift of COVID landed on our doorstep three weeks before. And I put, I just put up a landing page and started a webinar. And that's the humble beginnings of the coach ball. The focus of it, why it's called the cooch ball. First of all is because I wanted it to have a sassy, chic name. I wanted it to catch people's attention and I wanted to start the conversation. That was my number one. Why pick a name that might be a little edgy for some people because it opens the door to having the conversation and that's what needs to happen. It's called the ball for men. It's a three minute experience ladies. It is what happens on the ball.   (31:28): And I really rooted into the research that I, the Dr. Bruce Crawford, I had mentioned him before, is that any muscle in our body that is lacking oxygen rich, nutrient rich, and is restricted in its function because of this connective tissue called fascia, think of fascia as like cheese cloth, or like linen that wraps every single fiber of muscle in our body. And it not only wraps it, but it starts to restrict like AOA constrict or snake. It starts to restrict and stick to it. And it basically suffocates the muscle from the oxygen-rich nutrient-rich blood that it needs to thrive. When that happens, the muscle slowly starts to become dysfunctional and die. So when we wanna improve the function of our body, the look, the, feel, the function we need blood flow. When you sit on the ball and you work up to three minutes a day and you can sit on your couch, you can sit on the floor.   (32:28): If you can't get on the floor, you just sit on a chair and you breathe diaphragmatically so that the weight of your body, when it's on the ball creates this beautiful interaction where that cheese cloth type tissue, the fascia starts to melt because of the force of the ball in the area. All right, we start to feel tingly, warm blood flow. And for some women, it takes weeks and weeks and weeks to actually experience the blood flow because there's so tight or so disconnected, they don't feel it, but that's the biofeedback that our body gives us. Right? And then the diaphragmatic breathing that I walk, you know, my women through gets the diaphragm working and wakes up the pelvic floor. So that in this three minute experience, you're getting the release and you're getting the strength simultaneously. And it, it it's I, regardless of where you fall on that spectrum of hypertonic and hypotonic that we talked about 10 minutes ago, because it's a duality, the duality of the experience on the ball meets the needs of really any body. So that's how it works.   (33:40): Okay. So you sit on it, you do certain breathing practices, which you teach and it works by increasing blood flow. It doesn't go. Cause when I first saw it, I was like, is she gonna have put that inside our vagina? Cause how many inches is it?   (33:56): It's five graciously. It's a five inch diameter. So I   (34:02): ,   (34:03): No, this bad girl is just, it's an external product. Yeah. And it's great. You know what? I have women that use this. I'm a big proponent of pelvic floor physiotherapy. So it's a great compliment to pelvic floor physiotherapy. I have clients who have been fitted for pessaries that use this with their pessary. So it really does not discriminate as far as where you are in your pelvic health journey. If you are tuning into this podcast and you're like, this is the first time I'm actually learning about all of this. And I need a little bit more my product. It's not just for those advanced learners that have an understanding of their anatomy and what happens. No, it really is for everybody. Even if you think, well, I don't cough and sneeze and pee. I don't have pain during intercourse. It's preventative maintenance. Just as much as it is healing. Something that may slightly dysfunctional.   (34:59): Okay. So let me ask, is it like Perineum massage? Is that what you would kind of call it? Is that what it's doing to increase blood flow or   (35:08): Yes. I mean, it does, obviously you're sitting right on your perineum. Honest, there is gonna be that sensation, not so much like massage, but more just like maybe stretch I would say, but what's happening inside the body is the weight of the body on the ball. Like I said, is getting to those fascial restrictions in and around that muscle tissue, it's also freeing up. Like we learned earlier, the ental nerve that ashamed nerve. It is giving that nerve a little bit of room to be like, oh my gosh, I can now send messages more clearly and receive them. I can now have more sensation here because I don't have that fascia that's restricting me. I have all of this amazing blood flow that is nurturing me and I can really start doing, I can reconnect what my job actually is, what my function actually is. Mm-Hmm so, so those are some of the things that are happening, like simultaneously from a physiological perspective while you're on the ball.   (36:11): Okay. So now I know somebody's thinking this, so I gotta ask it. Yeah. Do people ever have orgasms while they're using it?   (36:18): Okay. So let me tell you this. So yes, yes. And I'm gonna give an example in my own life. So I never thought of myself as someone that was blocked, right? Like I'm a pretty open person. I, you know, anyways, my work with my roots chakra and exploring my own body is I am like light years where I was three years ago. When I started playing around with this idea of launching this ball, you guys, ladies, there is so much magic. Our pelvis is like a cauldron. We have become so disconnected from our divine feminineness and, and the power, the sheer power we hold in the pelvic bowl of our body and the roots chakra in what it can do as the base of our channeling. Our energies are just the magic that we are as women and the sensuality and orgasmic experience on the ball can be very real.   (37:29): Yeah. Because the erectile tissue, isn't just in the clitoris, everybody listening, if you're not familiar with your clitoris, you need to listen up. But it is a little mini penis, the, the arms and legs, hopefully you caught Susan Bratton's anatomy lesson at the stop the menopause madness summit, if you're listening. Cause she described it beautifully. They go all the way around the opening to the vagina under the pubic bone. So it seems to me, if you're sitting on the cooch ball and you're moving, that's getting stimulated. I love how you describe the pelvis as a caldron. That's really cool. But yes, so many women, oh my gosh. It makes me wanna cry. When women say I've never had a orgasm, Dr. Kyrin. And I'm just like, oh my gosh. And they didn't have anyone to talk to about it. They didn't feel comfortable talking to their doctors about it. And it really is your birthright ladies. And it's so important. It helps to balance your hormones for God's sake. So it's very important for your overall health. You have that functionality for a reason. So do you have any stories that you can share with us about women who maybe were having blocked sexuality? Maybe they never have an orgasm or maybe they were having difficulty to orgasm or maybe women who were just for having other pelvic floor dysfunction and then they used this and they had improvement.   (38:53): Yeah. Yeah. You know, I wanna share a story with a young client. I had, she was in her late twenties. She had spent, since she was a little girl, you guys remember like the river dance, the Highland dancing fourth. Yeah. And so she was a Highland dancer. She was an elementary school teacher, like I said, newly married. And she came to me and in, within about three minutes of us connecting in her first session, she was in tears and I'll never forget the words she said to me. She said, Janna, I've been married for six months. I've been with my new husband for almost two years. She said on Wednesdays, I wake up and I have the worst headache. And my stomach is in knots all day long because Wednesday nights are the night in her words that I let him buck and I am in such pain for that 15 minutes.   (39:47): And I'm manifesting all of this anxiety all day long on Wednesday, knowing that when we go into bed, I, this is gonna be my experience. And then I wake up on Thursday morning and I'm so thankful that I have another seven days before it happens again. She said, I am fearful that I will lose my husband. I am fearful that I will never be a mom. And she said, I have never in my life experienced any form of pleasure, any form of sexual pleasure, I don't believe it actually exists. And this was through her SOS. Right? And so we got her going with the ball. She probably I'm gonna say the first week or so that she was using her Cooch ball. She was maybe able to stay on it for about 30 seconds. That was it. And we would use like one of those, it was called a sit fit.   (40:40): So it was kind of like a spy like cushion, right? She couldn't even sit on the hard floor on it. We had to take a little bit of the ouch factor away and we would just focus on her breathing. And so 30 seconds turned into 60 seconds about a month or six weeks after that, she started telling me that there's not as much pain on Wednesday nights. And we would just, we were progressing and progressing and progressing. And I'm gonna say about four months in, she came to her weekly session and she said, Dana, I, I didn't orgasm. But she said, I actually didn't cry while my husband was making love to me, I was able to relax. And I could think of myself being on the coach ball and on the inhale relaxing. And she said, he said that being inside my vagina was a completely different experience for him.   (41:31): It wasn't like he was trying to, to break through a rock wall. And it was a beautiful story because about seven months after we started working together, she got pregnant with her first baby. She was, became so confident in herself, in her relationship. And that's a story for me that is really special because like you said, it is our birth right to be able to experience our body or have, you know, ourselves or have someone experience in that way to create that outcome. And there are so many women, like you said, that just either don't believe it's in the cards for them or they don't deserve it. And that's not true.   (42:12): Yes. That, isn't true. What a beautiful story. And I love how this ball really is. There's so much more we could talk about, I'm thinking of a million questions, but I know we've been at it for almost an hour, so we probably need to wrap up, but I'm gonna invite everyone definitely to get your free gift and a tenure webinar for sure. But that whole, that SAC chakra, the sexual chakra, the roots chakra so much trauma for women in that area related to our emotions related to our sexuality related to our power in the world. And I love how, what you created is really, it's kind of  a concrete way for women to conceptualize and begin to not only address physical problems in that area, but bring attention to those emotional, spiritual, energetic blocks, I think is what I hear you saying, is that right?   (43:08): Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. It's not a one dimension physical thing. There are all these other aspects of the emotionality, the sensuality, the spirituality, and you start to uncover them in layers. That's the beautiful thing is you start to uncover them in layers and just that sense of consciousness and moving up that scale so that it is joyful. It is a joyful part of your body, not a part that you despise or pretend doesn't exist.   (43:38): Awesome. Well thank you for making that. I can't wait to get mine. Jana's sending me one. I'll let you all know how I do with it and how it unfolds for me. Maybe we'll have Jana back. If you love this episode, let me know. Cuz there is so much more that we can talk about. I didn't even get to share some of the amazing quotes she had from Joseph Pilates. I'll share this one, but then we gotta wrap up, breathing is the first and last act of life. And somewhere in the middle, we forget how to do it. And I love how you talked about the core really is it's a ball with a top of the diaphragm, the bottom of the pelvic floor and then the side walls. And so relearning how to breathe is something that you help women to do. And while you heal their pelvic floor, we have a link in the notes to a four part mini masterclass that has created for, for you, how to transform pain into inspiration. We will have the link in the show notes, and then you have a webinar coming up soon, the healthy pelvic floor webinar. And I know you do those regularly. So do you wanna tell people about the free gift they can download and the webinar that you're offering?   (44:53): Yeah, absolutely. So the free gift ladies is really my, the roadmap that got me out of my pain cycle. So I offer it's a four part little mini series, 15 minutes of a session. And it's just one strategy that you can start doing in that moment to help to change your life. And then of course the healthy pelvic floor webinar, the link like Dr Kyrin said to register will be in the show notes. We just take a different approach at different than what you've learned today on the podcast. We're gonna learn some of the secrets of the pelvic floor and it really is the perfect time. If you feel like a coach ball is in your future, I'm gonna say this as a businesswoman, don't get it today. Don't go and register using the link that Dr. Kyrin gives you to go to the webinar because there are some really great offers that you can't get on my website. So   (45:55): Right.   (45:55): Be patient be patient is only a couple weeks away. Wait for that webinar on the 1st of September. And then you will grab a bunch more value and bonuses that you otherwise would be unable to.   (46:08): Yeah, you definitely wanna use the link cause you'll get goodies that you won't get on the website, but thank you for that. Thank you for joining us today. Jana, it's been wonderful talking with you. Like I said, we could talk about so many things related to this topic and maybe after I've had my cooch ball experience, we will have you back, and we can talk some more   (46:28): Amazing   (46:30): Thank you for so much. And thank you all for joining us for another episode of the hormone prescription podcast. I hope you have learned something inspirational, informational that will help you move your health towards the brilliance that you deserve. I want you to take action. You know, I tell you that every week and really what I want you to do is sign up for Janna's webinar on the pelvic floor secret and listen to all her wisdom about the pelvic floor. Because as you can hear, and from listening, probably more of us women than not have pelvic floor dysfunction and who couldn't always have better sexuality and sensuality, that's really part of good hormone balance and good health. So go check it out, click link in the show notes and I will see you next week until then peace, love and hormones.    (47:25): Thank you so much for listening. I know that incredible vitality occurs for women over 40. When we learn to speak hormone and balance these vital regulators to create the health and the life that we deserve. If you're enjoying this podcast, I'd love it. If you give me a review and subscribe, it really does help this podcast out so much. You can visit the hormone prescription.com, where we have some free gifts for you, and you can sign up to have a hormone evaluation with me on the podcast to gain clarity into your personal situation until next time, remember, take small steps each day to balance your hormones and watch the wonderful changes in your health that begin to unfold for you. Talk to you soon.   ► Get Jana Danielson's 4 part mini master class: Transform Pain Into Inspiration CLICK HERE to get access.   ► The Healthy Pelvic Floor Webinar by Jana Danielson   This empowering webinar and fitness strategies could help you: Learn more about your body & its systems Improve the function of your pelvic floor muscles Understand how your posture impacts metabolism Create noticeable shifts in mobility & core strength Reduce pelvic floor, lower back & hip pain Strengthen bladder control Boost confidence, pleasure & happiness Gain a supportive community to tap into for success   CLICK HERE to sign up.   ► Feeling tired? Can't seem to lose weight, no matter how hard you try?   It might be time to check your hormones.   Most people don't even know that their hormones could be the culprit behind their problems. But at Her Hormone Club, we specialize in hormone testing and treatment. 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    The Dangers of Indoor Air Quality

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 16, 2022 52:29


    Have you ever considered the air quality in your home? If you're like most people, the answer is probably no. But did you know that the air inside your home could be up to five times more polluted than the air outside? And if you're a woman in her midlife years, that's something to take very seriously.   Therese Forton-Barnes is an indoor air quality expert and she's joining us today on the Hormone Prescription Podcast to talk about the dangers of indoor air pollution and what we can do to protect ourselves.   Therese is the Household Toxins Health Specialist and the Head Guru at The Green Living Gurus. She spreads the awareness of chemical exposure that could cause many autoimmune illnesses, cancer, and other ailments through her Green Living with Tee weekly podcast, her blog, the Green parent pioneer coaching program for families with children, and Tee's organics line of household cleaners and products.   In this episode, you will learn: The dangers of indoor air pollution The things that contribute to indoor air pollution The toxins and carcinogenic chemicals found in indoor air How to protect yourself from indoor air pollution What you can do to improve the air quality in your home   So if you're concerned about the air you're breathing, make sure to tune in and learn everything you need to know about indoor air quality and take action to protect your health.   (00:00): Plan your life. Like you will live forever and live your life. Like you may die tomorrow. Therese's mom.   (00:08): So the big question is how do women over 40, like us keep weight off, have great energy balance. Our hormones in our moods feel sexy and confident and master midlife. If you're like most of us, you are not getting the answers you need and remain confused and pretty hopeless to ever feel like yourself. Again. As an OB GYN, I had to discover for myself the truth about what creates a rock solid metabolism, lasting weight loss, and supercharged energy. After 40 in order to lose a hundred pounds and fix my fatigue. Now I'm on a mission. This podcast is designed to share the natural tools you need for impactful results. And to give you clarity on the answers to your midlife metabolism challenges, join me for tangible natural strategies to crush the hormone imbalances you are facing and help you get unstuck from the sidelines of life. My name is Dr. Kyrin Dunston welcome to the hormone prescription podcast.   (01:04): Hey everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the hormone prescription with Dr. Kyrin. I'm so glad that you've joined me today. My guest today is Therese Forton Barnes and she is a toxin guru, or we're gonna be talking about the dangers of indoor air quality will be detailing the potential hazards to your indoor air quality and talking about what you can do about it. Her mom is the one who shared that quote that I offered in the teaser plan. Your life like you will live forever and live your life. Like you may die tomorrow. And I absolutely love that. I think it really speaks to addressing toxins in your life. They are long acting, and their effects temporarily are very delayed. So you wanna plan like you're gonna live forever, but you wanna live like you may die tomorrow. So we're gonna tell you the things you need to go in and get rid of to improve your indoor air quality and your health. I'll tell you a little bit about her and then we'll get started. Therese is a household toxins health specialist, and she's the head guru at the Green Living Gurus. She spreads awareness of chemical exposure that could cause many autoimmune illnesses, cancer, and other elements through her green living with tea weekly podcast, her blog, the green parent pioneer coaching program for families with children and teas organics line of household cleaners and products. Welcome Tee. Thank you for having me today. Looking forward to our chat.   (02:42): I love talking about toxins because there's so many of them and I think that it can be overwhelming when people hear about this topic to think, oh my God, how do I even begin to detoxify my life? My home, my car, my work, all the things that they need to detoxify. And I love that we've decided to focus on indoor air quality. I don't think that a lot of people realize how vital this is. Why is this so important Therese?   (03:14): So our indoor air is potentially two to 100 times more polluted than the outdoor air. And these are reports that have been put out by the environmental protection agency. And the reason why our indoor air in our homes, our offices, you name it is because our homes are now built to be airtight. Everybody wants to keep the air in to conserve energy. And the problem is you're not getting enough circulation throughout the home and enough clean air coming through your home. But the worst part about it is the amount of products that are being used in your home. Whether it's cleaning supplies, laundry, detergent, dry cleaning, coming in furniture. That's been sprayed with anti fire retardants and it goes on and on and on. And you're breathing these chemicals in all day long in your home. And so the indoor air in your home is just as important as your outdoor air or as important as a food you're eating too. So these are just things I love to focus on because it's something that people don't realize it, that they need to really look at their indoor air.   (04:29): I think that's so true. And you, you highlighted a couple points. I wanna just emphasize that most people focus on aspects of the environment. They have no control over, which is outdoor air quality mm-hmm can you move? Sure. I had a patient a few years ago who lived in the middle of Iowa in the middle of farm country, and there were pesticides in her air and she knew it was a problem. And there was really nothing she could do about it other than move from where she lived while she wasn't paying as much attention to the air quality inside. And oh, when we did, she found out she had moldy things in her house that were affecting her health. So I think this is really where you have a large degree of control to change the outcome. And I also wanted to highlight when you were talking, I was thinking about a lot of people are very familiar with the discomfort that comes from rereading air inside a mask over and over again, since we've had to do it for the past few years.   (05:33): And so think about that, your house is really like a mask, a big mask that you live in. And so if you have bad breath and you're breathing it in and out through a mask, you're getting that bad breath over and over again. It's the same in your house. If you have poor quality air, all the windows and doors are shut and they builders pride themselves on a well sealed home. That's energy efficient that really can have detrimental effects for us in terms of if we have poor air quality, we're rebreathing it over and over and over again. So let's start tea with the biggest offender. What is the number one offender you would say in the indoor air quality space that could potentially harm people?   (06:21): Well, in my mind, it is the cleaning products people are using because the cleaning products, people are using them every day, potentially spraying some cleaning products on counters almost every day to clean up your kitchen, whether it's to floor. And then if you have children or dogs, so they're even cleaning more. And many of the chemicals in these commercial cleaning supplies have extremely toxic ingredients in them and many have cancer-causing ingredients in them. So those are getting into your lungs. They're getting into the dust, that's on the floor in your house, that's regenerating throughout your home, and you're not getting rid of those chemicals in your house because you're using them. It's not like you're washing with water right afterwards, too. That, and goes along with that is also cleaning supplies in a SA in a different category, but it's your laundry detergent. So that's a, another cleaning supply, right?   (07:27): But that is now in addition to the chemicals that you're potentially using to clean your clothes, you're also breathing in potentially chemicals coming from your clothes, from your sheets. They could be out guessing all day long in your home. You could be breathing them in when you even leave the house. And they're venting. They're also venting into your house at some point, at some level, I know they vent outside, but you still can get those fumes inside your house. So those products, those chemicals, and if you think about walking down a laundry, I mean, a supermarket aisle where all your cleaning supplies are and you smell that smell. Those are all chemicals out guessing from all of those cleaning products that literally that's, what's happening in your home, too. Those chemicals just about gas.   (08:21): So let's dive into specifically, what are the toxins and carcinogenic agents in cleaning products? Let's start there. And I will add that, you know, I read that that years ago, Madison avenue was trying to figure out how to increase sales or promote their product above others in terms of cleaning products and particularly laundry. And they discovered that the first thing that people did when their laundry came out of the dryer to see if it was clean, was they smelled it. And that's how this whole perfusion of yeah. Smells. And so when you walk down the aisle, you can smell it. But I think most people smell that and they go, oh, that's the smell of clean . Yeah, right. So can you break down? What are the toxins and carcinogenic agents and cleaning products and laundry detergents?   (09:14): Well, one category is VOCs VOCs of volatile, organic compounds. Now there are hundreds, if not thousands of different chemicals that make those volatile organic compounds up, and those are ones that are just dangerous to get into your system. And you're breathing them every day. Now, the list of chemicals that potentially are made up of those VOCs and also all the other com is endless. I mean, there's been ammonia. Everybody knows ammonias in some cleaning products. There's, I mean, I can't, I'd have to pull up my, I have a list of all the chemicals that I could tell you that are in there. And I actually have that those chemicals that you can avoid in my free guide on my website, that I know you're offering your listeners. And it's a great guide because it lists what ingredients you should look for. The top ingredients you should look for in these cleaning supplies that are potentially getting into your house.   (10:15): So, and benzene is another one that has been known to be in some products. The biggest thing, if anybody wants to make a change to look for in cleaning products and in laundry detergent, and you hit the nail on the head is when they smell something, they think that that's a fresh smell. Unfortunately, that's the word fragrance. And that's a fragrance that is in those products. That is, they think that that's a lemon fresh smell or a lavender fresh smell. But unfortunately there is most likely no lavender and no lemon in there. And if there is, and they say that it's ascended with lavender oil, they only have to have 2% lavender in there. Unfortunately, many of the cleaning products, many of the laundry detergents have so many chemicals in them. They have to put fragrance in them to kill the smell of the chemicals that you're cleaning with.   (11:12): So you're getting twice as many chemicals as you really need to be cleaning with and putting in your laundry, but the word fragrance and people don't understand this when they buy products. And even it's in shampoo, it's in deodorant, fragrance is a trade secret. And it goes back that in 1940s, when the perfume industry and specifically Chanel number five was one of the companies that got our government to create this trade secret, because they did not want anybody knowing what was in their perfume. And so they said, okay, well, if you put the word fragrance on there, you do know how to detect, say what is in your product. This holds true today, still that law, that anybody can make a product, put the ingredients in there. But if you put the word fragrance on there, you do not have to tell them what's in there.   (12:00): Well, fragrance is made up of a laundry list of different chemicals in it. And lately three different studies were done that they found benzene in fragrance. And benzene is a common ingredient in fragrance and benzene is a known carcinogen. So some of them potentially cause cancer, but that causes cancer and they found it in a sunscreen recently. So the list goes on and on and on. But if you can get away from the fragrance, you're making a great step in the right direction to reduce your toxic load inside your home. And that goes with candles too. I mean, everybody wants something that smells fresh. We all associate with that freshness with probably growing up and our mothers and whatever they cleaned with. But unfortunately in the past 40, 50 years, clean is not what clean should be. And the chemical company has really created this mess in my mind to make us think that that is the way a house should smell. And it's, unfortunately that's not clean. That's unfortunately making your house more toxic and dirty for your body.   (13:18): So true. And everybody loves a new car smell, new house smell. And I say, run from the new car and the new house. So yes, the VOCs ammonia, benzene fragrance, which are mostly made from petroleum byproducts. So you wouldn't sit there sniffing gasoline at the gas station, nor do you wanna spray it on your fabrics at home or clean with it. And a question that I don't think a lot of people get is. And my kids used to say this to me all the time when they were growing up, when I kind of got on the bandwagon. Finally, when I saw the light about my own health at midlife, and I became trained in anti-aging metabolic and functional medicine and realized that toxicity was a problem. Cuz as a regular MD, we are taught, these are not issues. And that's how most of America and most industrialized countries are operating that this isn't a problem. But can you talk about cuz the next question my kids used to say, well, they wouldn't allow it. They wouldn't allow it. If it was toxic, they wouldn't allow it. If it caused cancer and I'd say, well, who's they to my kids first off. But I find this is the case with a lot of adults. They really think that there's some regulatory body that would not allow dangerous chemicals to be in our cleaning products. Can you address that?   (14:40): Yeah. And this is a very common, I hear it all the time and what I try to get people to understand is a little bit of history. Cuz sometimes history helps people understand why things are the way they are today. You know the fragrance thing. Oh. And people start understanding, wow, I can see where that happened, but why did that happen? Well, in the United States, we have a law here that your product is safe until it is proven guilty in the European union. It's opposite. They have to prove a product is safe before it can even go on the market. So you take these products, let's just take the sunscreen. I mentioned that many sunscreens actually for that matter, they got pulled off the market last fall. They were all on the market with benzene in the product. Now that would've never passed in the European union because they would've never been able to prove that that was safe.   (15:38): But unfortunately these companies here local in us, they now their back paling like, oh, we didn't know benzene was in our product and denying it. Of course they're gonna deny it. But so that is the biggest problem I see with products that is not food. Food has to be proven, safe and pharmaceuticals in that matter before it goes onto the market. So we have to be our own watchdogs here in the United States. We have to look at our labels. We have to read our ingredients. We have to know, unfortunately, no EPA is not protecting us when it comes to that. They are not. The FDA is when it comes to the food because as best they can, you know, I battles, I pick with that too. But with the EPA and all these products that are on all the shelves that we are buying in the grocery store, in the pharmacy, we have to look and see what we are using because either you are going to trust the company or you have to trust yourself because this, these have not been approved for human consumption or for cleaning. They might be say that they get rid of bacteria, but they are not going through all the ingredients and all those products and making sure that they are safe and the companies are not either.   (16:57): Yeah. The other thing I don't think a lot of people get is that even the individual ingredients that could potentially be toxic may have a low level of toxic potential, but nobody has studied the cumulative additive effect of these toxins together. And a hundred years ago, we might come in contact with just a couple chemicals in our lifetimes. And now we have 85,000 new chemicals since 1950. And no one has looked at the effect on newborns or uh, fetuses or women who are pregnant or children or adults, the cumulative additive effects and interactive effects of these toxins. So I remember that being one of the most impactful sources of information that I learned during my fellowship training was just, we're kind of in the wild, wild west when it comes to chemicals, we're in a live human experiment. Yeah. Where we're saying, okay, let's take the population of the world and let's dump 85,000 new chemicals and let's see what happens because they really haven't been vetted. So now we've talked a little bit about the cleaning products, the double problem of not only are they, the cleaning products, agents themselves potentially toxic or carcinogenic, but then you add on top the fragrance. When I see that word, I run and laundry detergent. Now talk about other laundry substances like dryer sheets and bleach and things like that.   (18:39): Dryer sheets, oh, dryer sheets. Oh, I can smell dryer sheets when I walk by vent. And when I walk by a person, I now have my husband. He can smell them on people these days, but dryer sheets are another one dryer sheets. You will not find the ingredients on a dryer sheet. Dryer sheets have known carcinogens in them. They are all chemicals that basically coat your clothing with these chemicals. So they don't stick together. Unfortunately they're loading them with other chemicals' fragrance to put them in there because those chemicals that they are coating your clothes with, they have to offset those to the smell of that chemical. So it's just like one bad thing after the next with dryer sheets. So that's another definitely bleach another, I mean you have to pick your poisons right. To try to get rid of everything right away. No, but you start with the most important things like getting rid of the dryer sheets, replacing them with wool dryer balls and some essential oils in those wool dryer balls. If you really want some sense and slowly getting rid of things that could potentially be affecting your breathing, which is our most important thing I'm addressing here because the indoor air in your home right now is so polluted potentially. So definitely dryer sheets are a big, big no-no in my book.   (20:05): So what dryer balls, can you talk a little bit about what those are and what they do and how they work and also the use of essential oils if people really love that fresh scent?   (20:17): Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I use dryer balls. I don't have much static, fortunately, because I don't have any chemicals in my laundry and washing machine or dryer because the chemicals will make your clothes tick even more. It's just a double edged sword. Speaker 3 (20:35): I have to say. I don't think that's a coincidence, right? So the more problems Madison avenue can give you the need to solve. And if they make your clothes, if the chemicals make them more static clingy, oh, well then you need something to treat the static clinging. I mean, that's true with women's hormones after they started using E equivalent or horse estrogen also known as Premarin in the beginning of the 19 hundreds for women, while then they created the problem of, um, uterine cancer. And instead of going back and saying, well, probably this was misguided, they just created a pro Jin to counteract the effects to prevent uterine cancer. So that is the way of industry, right? We live absolutely in that type of a capitalist society. That's always looking for advantage. So I wouldn't be surprised if there was some engineering to actually increase the static clinging. So you actually have to have dryer sheets.   (21:33): Absolutely. And it all goes all big circle of money and pharmaceutical industry and the chemical companies. And they're all tied into one another and it's a monster and it toxic. And we have to really, again, rely on ourselves and people like you and me and many other people out there that really are knowledgeable stepping back and looking at the whole big picture. Why is all this happening? I look at cancer. I mean, my aunt had ovarian cancer and this is originally why I really got so involved in this. And she was so healthy, but she used baby powder every single day in her private parts. And she got ovarian cancer and now low and behold baby powder causes ovarian cancer and it's still on the market. So I always look at where cancer has came from, look at where it is now. Do you hear any big cancer Institute talking about preventing cancer?   (22:34): We have a major one here. No, cause it's such a humongous industry. And the pharmaceutical industry feeds that industry. And I personally don't think they want it to go away because it would put out so many people out of business. I try talking about cancer prevention all the time, because I want people to prevent using chemicals in their lives that potentially can cause cancer or are known to cause cancer. But they don't talk about that. Unfortunately. And same it with Endocet disrupting chemicals. We could talk about that forever too. And what they're doing to kids, hormones and boys and the mess that's causing with kids' bodies and mimicking their estrogen and progesterone. So I think people get scared and I even have some best friends who are like, oh, it's so overwhelming. And I try to talk them through it. And it's just, you make little changes and the people that I've helped and a lot of different clients, you just take one step at a time.   (23:37): And it usually is starting with your cleaning, starting with your laundry, detergents, getting rid of that fragrance. Once you start there, then you're gonna be, be more aware. You're gonna start. I get people sending me, oh look, you told me about these PFAS chemicals in my non-stick cookware that and they see an article and then they start making changes on their own, which I love seeing. I sort of get the ball rolling with them and then they're aware of it. And then they start seeing more and more things reports coming up. Luckily now it's all over the place. There's so many things going on out there that people are starting to realize how toxic so many of these products are, but it's taking those baby steps and really just reading ingredients and knowing what you're putting on your skin. You wouldn't eat those chemicals. Why would you be putting them on your skin?   (24:29): So, and you made it such a great point. It's the cumulative effect. They might say that these chemicals in the lotion you're using is fine because it's, you know, low dosage. But how is that mixing with the chemical you're putting on your hair or your deodorant? They're all getting into your system somehow and through your skin or breathing or eating and how are they mixing in your body? I don't wanna know that, but I just think that this is just time for people to start looking at how they are in taking any of these chemicals. And you really have to look at everything you're using because we are living in a toxic world and it's getting worse.   (25:13): Yeah. I think the other thing most people don't realize is the temporal nature of toxin exposure to time to disease is so long. The lead time that nobody associates that, oh, when they get cancer, they're not thinking about the 30 years that they use dryer sheets and a toxic laundry detergent. Nobody that doesn't flash before your eyes. Right? Most of us think genetics, which is really only five to 10% of cancer. It's what, whether we turn our lifestyle, turns those genes on or not. So there's so many exposures and they are over such prolonged periods of time that no one gets this Eureka moment of, oh my God, it was the dryer sheets. Right. Which is fortunate and unfortunate. I mean, you know, think toxins that are that quickly, identifiable are usually not legal for human use or consumption, but it makes it challenging for us. Let's step onto. So you said cleaning products, laundry, detergents, and laundry agents. What would the next category in the indoor air quality space?   (26:29): Well, I mentioned candles candles. I'd like to bring up candles. And Kyrin on that last note that you just said, it's just this past weekend. I was at one of my best friend's homes and I was trying to get her to get a reverse osmosis system and, and talking her through how toxic our water can be, which we could talk about that too. But, and then I always am helping her at her house. She's like, oh, we're fine now. I mean, none of us have cancer now. And that's exactly what you just said. You don't wanna think about, you wanna prevent as much as possible. And I had to convince him like Kathy, so all the kids are going away to college, blah, blah. And like, you have to, if you really want to try to decrease your toxic load, you've gotta look at everything.   (27:12): So it just hit me when you said that, like, that's so true. I mean, even though you're, we're, I'm almost 60, but you don't want cancer when you're 70, do you? I mean, we all don't want cancer. We all don't want illnesses and it's trying to prevent all these illnesses and not just, I feel like it's Russian roulette, we're all playing Russian roulette with all these products we're using. So candles. Yes. Candles. So many people love candles. Almost everybody loves candles. So many candles can be same thing. The chemicals that they're using in the wax, even if it's soy. So people think, oh, I bought a soy candle. It's okay. That's not necessarily true. And also the wick can be led. So if you're burning fragrance in your house with a lead wick, you are burning chemicals in the air while these candles are lit in your home.   (28:08): I did not know that the wicks could be lead. Oh my gosh.   (28:11): I'm yes. That's   (28:12): Crazy.   (28:13): Okay. It is crazy. And the fragrance, oh my God. When I'm in somebody's home with the candle, people are kind of scared for me to go in their home period.   (28:21): Me too. Don't it's a compliment.   (28:24): Oh totally. I enjoy it. I mean, my friends are always like Curring around. I'm like, don't you worry? I'll look it around, but get rid of that candle immediately over there. Cuz I look for candles. They're out gassing. Even if they're not lit with the chemicals that are in them. And again, people have to be careful because many of them will say SCED with essential oils. That's not necessarily fragrance free. So again, it only has to have 2% essential oils for them to say that on there. So cuz essential oils, which I love, I don't know if I told you this, but I have a cleaning product line. Very basic one that I use essential oils. They're very powerful. They're wonderful. Their cleaning properties are great, but you have to know what you're doing with essential oils too. And they are great and they're great to use in many products. So,   (29:14): So what kind of candle should we be using Tee?   (29:16): Well, there's some good ones out there on the market. Fontana is a great line. Look up Fontana. Fontana is a made safe product. Made safe.org is a fabulous organization. Environmental working group, EWG. Many of your listeners may have heard of them. They're fabulous. ewg.com. You can look on their website and plug in your products to see on a scale of one to 10, what kind of chemicals are in them? But a whole other step up from that is the made safe organization. They analyze products and they, if it's a made safe organization like anything made safe certifies, I don't even look at the label because I know it is made safe. And I know that organization inside and out, so font has gone through the process of having their candles certified. So love Fontana, but there's other ones out there too, but you just have to be careful what you're buying. There's so many sold at farmer's markets. I know that because I'll talk to the people that are making them and what is in it. What are you using? And you just wanna know what you're burning in your home. It's almost the same thing as an air freshener that you're spraying. You gotta look at those chemicals, anything you're spraying in your home, a candle will do the exact same thing.   (30:36): Oh my gosh. Please tell me the next category is   (30:42): Air freshers, air freshers. How about the ones when you get in an Uber or a Lyft and they put those plugins in their vents, almost every single one does it. It makes me insane. I've tried complaining to Uber and Lyft endlessly. It doesn't work, but those or plugins in your house or any kinda spray aerosol can be toxic in itself. But anything you're using to spray in your home is you're breathing it in, period. So if you're smelling anything that can potentially be cancer-causing chemicals or other chemicals that can cause other illnesses.   (31:22): Yeah, this is really my pet peeve. I mean, partially because I had multiple chemical sensitivity a few years ago when I was made sick by a building and breast implants. But also because they're ubiquitous and they're highly toxic. And actually the studies do show that up to a third of people react. But the majority of them do not associate any health reaction with the air freshener, plugin, whatever, wherever the sense comes from because they're ignorant of the causal relationship. And I, I like to say that we're in the air freshener stage of where we were with cigarettes back when I was a kid in the sixties and seventies, right? Yes. Secondhand smoke. Wasn't a thing. Nobody was up in arms about it. And people freely smoked around their kids in the home. And now I know you probably can't go to jail or get a ticket for it, but it's not allowed.   (32:20): Yeah. Yeah. Can't   (32:21): Smoke, endorse. And so I think in another few decades, we'll get there when people wake up to the air freshener problem.   (32:28): Yeah, I totally agree. And some of the same chemicals in cigarettes are also used in air fresheners and cleaning supplies. You are spraying chemicals in your home. I mean, there's no difference to me whatsoever. And you brought up, I often hear, oh, I have a sore throat, or I have a sniffles headache. I know I'll get a sore throat, sniffles headache. If I sleep in a bed with fragrance sheets, like I go to Airbnbs, I have to bring my own sheets, open up the windows. We just went to one and it was so toxic. I couldn't. And they used, I don't oh, she told me they used gain with lavender and that it, it wasn't toxic. It   (33:08): Wasn't. Yeah.   (33:09): I was like, uh, anyway, so I'm just used to bringing my own sheets and pillows and towels now   (33:15): Towels I do too. Oh,   (33:16): Absolutely. A hundred percent. And if I forget them, I go by them. I'd rather have, you know, the new ones than the ones washed in laundry detergent anyway. So we were getting air fresheners.   (33:28): Yes. And I wanna add here, cuz I think you brought up a great point that we should highlight. Some people are sitting here. Going to Kyrin I have no idea what you're talking about. How would I even know if I had a problem in my house? And so I'm wondering if you can expound on that. I mean, I usually tell people, well, if you go out and spend a day at the beach or in the forest, camping or hanging out with friends, and then you come home in your locked envelope, and you notice certain things, nasal stuffiness, sore throat, itchy, watery eyes, itchy skin, maybe even rashes, stomach upset. It can show up as, or irritation. It can show up as mood irritability. I mean, it can be so subtle, and you think, oh, I'm just in a bad mood. Must have been that news report I listened to. And it may very well be that you are getting exposed to toxins in your home.   (34:31): Two other big ones, snoring and also terrible sleeping patterns. And habits are two big ones. I hear all the time and your body has to work so hard, getting rid of these toxins and processing them. So your organs are constantly fighting off toxins. They're made that way. Right. But to do that. And so our bodies are not made to fight off all these chemicals that are coming at us left and right, you walk out the door, you can't help what you're going to encounter, but you can when you're inside. And we like to say, you don't know, you feel bad until you feel better and until you right. They don't know. They really don't. And they think it's the pollen. They think it's, you know, they'll make excuses, or they just have allergies or it's allergy season or a headache. Why do I have a, well, you got a headache for a reason and you gotta listen to your body, even acne for that matter.   (35:36): Your skin's telling you something. And so many of these chemicals, I mean, I talk about cancer all the time, and we hear about them disrupting hormones. They can also be obesity, gens, too. Obesity. Gens are just like what they sound like. They cause obesity. So many of these chemicals make you fat. Many of them could potentially make your skin look older. You look older. So acne, many of them cause, but they all work differently in all of our bodies. Again, we don't know what they're doing to us and how they're mixing, but until you start getting rid of them and starting to clear the way for cleaner, fresher air, cleaner, fresher, and products in your home, I guarantee you especially get rid of fragrance. You will start to feel better and start realizing I hear it from every single person. Like I can't believe, I thought that was lemon fresh. I thought, I can't believe I slept in fragrance sheets for 20 years. Yeah. Okay. You might have felt fine, but what was it doing to your skin? What was it doing to your organ? So   (36:38): Right. What are the other big categories that we need to take a look at in our homes?   (36:43): Well, I mention what you cook your food with what you cook your food with what you store your food in. And of course food is huge. That's a whole, we could talk about food and organic food and making sure you eat as much organic food is possible and stay away from the pesticides that are being sprayed on all these non-organic foods that because once they start spraying them with pesticides, they gotta spray 'em with a lot more. And it's just a terrible cycle out there with Roundup and glyphosate and other chemicals coming on the market to take the place of glyphosate. So food of course, but what are you cooking your food in? So nonstick pans, which a lot of people used to know as Teflon were made with these chemicals, it's a whole series of chemicals called PFAS, P F a S or P F O S. And they're just coming to the surface right now and how toxic these chemicals are. And they're it's inflamed retardant, um, materials that firefighters use. They've used to put it on couches. They used to put it on furniture, on rugs, kids,   (37:45): Kids, sleepwear,   (37:46): Kids, sleepwear, dental, floss, dental floss, look for PFAS, free dental floss and kids, sleepwear and furniture. This is going back to the cigarette companies. The reason why kids slept wear and furniture is being was, but some of it still is being sprayed with fire. Retardants is because the cigarette companies, people were burning, and you know, were coming from the same generation. They fall asleep with their cigarettes in their hands in bed. This is the 1950s and sixties, right? And the government went to the cigarette company said, you need to put something in the cigarette. So they don't burn while people are burning their beds. And the cigarette company came back and said, oh no, we have a better idea. Why don't we spray all the furniture with fire retardant, spray, all the kids, baby clothes to sleepwear with fire retardant, baby's beds with fire retardants. And it's crazy to think about it, but that was the law. That's what   (38:48): They did. No. I'm like let's stop smoking in bed.   (38:51): Exactly. Hello. So that is where, and now you hear about all these firemen getting cancer from this fire. Um, not only from this stuff they use to put out the fire, but these houses that are burning down are loaded with toxic chemicals. So anyway, so, but the pans, when I was getting to the pans, those nonstick pans are made with PFAS chemicals. So I've gone through more people's homes and had them get rid of those pans, especially if they're scratched, which 99% of them are because you're only supposed to use wood on them and not metal. And most people don't use wood all the time. Anyways, I'll give   (39:30): A hundred dollars to anyone listening who has a UNS scratched. Yeah. Uh I pan I can't for over a year.   (39:40): Yeah, exactly. So a green pan is okay. That's a ceramic pan. People like their non-stick pans. The only problem is they last only a few years. So I like stainless steel, the old-fashioned way and my lodge cast iron pans. And I always say your pan does not have to be sparkling clean every single time you use it. If you ever go through a kitchen and look at all their stainless steel pans, it looks used. So that is one of my big things, is what you're cooking with. Because again, people are cooking every day and also those chemicals that you are cooking, those pans, those chemicals can also get in the air in your home as well. So, and what you're storing your food in? I do not like plastic whatsoever. I only use glass to store any of our food in because the chemicals in those plastic containers can leach into your food as well.   (40:32): So, and of course never MWA or plastic if you ever do microwave. So those are the top things that I would do. You can take it to a whole other level. Like I have air quality monitors in my house. So I'm measuring the amount of chemicals that are in my house. It tells me if any chemical is exceeding what it should be in here. And it's usually if, uh, something's brought into the home randomly and then air purifiers are another way that people can reduce the chemicals in your home as well. Dry-clean is another one. Dry cleaning depends on where you dry-clean. But if you have the option of airing out your dry cleaning before you bring it into your house, that is great. Let it out gas in your garage or outside. Especially if you have it sitting in your car and driving with it, open up the windows, those toxic fumes from the dry cleaning can also irritate your lungs as well. And you don't even know it. So,   (41:31): And there are a lot of now, now environmentally friendly, nontoxic, dry cleaners, and a lot of them, you can mail your dry cleaning to them and they will mail it back to you. So you don't have to live near one. Let's talk a little bit more about the air monitor and air purifier, cuz I think if people have listened this far and most of the people in my community, they get that this indoor air quality is a situation and then they wanna know, okay, well, do I need an air quality monitor? And if so, what are my options? And what should I look for? And do I need air filtration? And what should I look for? Can you talk a little bit about that?   (42:09): Yeah, absolutely. So the air quality monitor that I really love, it's called hoo it's, U H O O. You can buy that almost anywhere. I love it because I can monitor it on my phone. It's hooked up to the wifi, but it measures for rayon as well. So in the Northeast where I am in Buffalo, New York, a lot of rayon is in the Northeast. And so it measures for VOCs and another series of chemicals on there for mail to hide. So in my home, it's pretty, you're not gonna find many toxic chemicals in here, but I like having that air quality monitor for a peace of mind. I take it with me too when I can just so I can see, you know, I have fun playing with it. I'll take it to people's homes and show them that,   (42:58): Oh, I bet you are a favored guest.   (43:00): Oh yeah. Oh aren't I though pulling it out of my purse. Well, I always, I'm pretty cautious. I know who I can pull it out with and who I can, but they love it because the shows them like, wow, this really measures. Where do you think the VOCs are coming from? And then we'll look around and there'll be a perfume bottle somewhere close by in the bedroom that could be out guessing into their bedroom. Or, you know, I look at the air quality monitor as for your home. It's like getting your blood work done for your body. You wanna know what's going on in your body. If you have any issues, outstanding issues or something is wrong, right? You go for a physical, the doctor sends you in for blood work. Everything comes back fine. Well this air quality monitor your home is so important.   (43:44): Your air is so important to have it as a peace of mind to know, okay, I'm living in a clean air in my home. So in my mind, it's just, you know, gives me a peace of mind that it's a very clean air in our house. Then the indoor air purifier, which of course was a huge thing for COVID because it was cleaning the air for people and people wanted, I sold a ton of those. I actually represent one here in Buffalo. I love the most, not because it's in Buffalo, but it's Austin air purifier. It's 100% made in the United States here in Buffalo, all the parts, you name it because you have to be careful with that with a lot of things, parts that are made overseas, some of the plastics come out gas in your air purifier while they're running. So you have to be really careful with some of that.   (44:35): So the, it collects 99.9% of bacteria and chemicals and VOCs and from aldehyde. So if you have any chemicals floating around, it will collect those chemicals in the filter, and it's, and there's a lot of other good ones on the market out there. I just love this one the most. And we have one in our bedroom and I'll tell you my husband. I tell people this all the time. I mean, he used to snor so bad. Like I thought the roof was gonna come off the house. And once we installed the air purifier, I can sleep with this Norrie now I barely even hear it. And I called Austin air and I said, could this be possible? It's the air pur where they're like, of course he said, you see those floating dust particles going around when the sun beams in, well, that's what it's collecting. And that can be getting in people's lungs and causing them to snort at night and dust mites and everything else, you know, that you could be sleeping and breathing in amongst the chemicals that could be out guessing in your bedroom from the sheets. So it's just being conscious of what you're taking in is the most important thing. And then trying to get to your house as clean as possible.   (45:45): Yeah. I didn't realize we have gone so long. We're gonna need to wrap up. I did wanna just tie in this quote from your mom that I love plan your life. Like you will live forever and live your life. Like you may die tomorrow. I think that that really speaks to the whole toxin situation. If you're gonna plan, like you're gonna live forever, you need to address these things that you can't see and live your life. Like you're gonna die tomorrow, monitor your air quality, filter the air, get rid of these products. And I think we'd be remiss if we didn't talk about new construction and the dangers there you mentioned for Malda Hyde. I was made sick by a new office that I went and worked in because of the off gassing of the VOCs and their formaldehyde. I was actually rendered where I, I had a toxic and encephalopathy. Wow. Luckily what you was reversible, but can you talk a little bit about that?   (46:44): Yeah. So new build is there's a lot of absolutely. And out gassing of all these products and windows is being made. So you don't have any air leaking in. I'm so happy. I live in 120 year old home where the air is leaking out and leaking in. But so you need air flow in a house. So you could be getting so tired in a home because I hear people all the time, how tired they are, not only you're being tired, but those new from paint to any kind of flooring to what they're putting on the flooring to the, uh, walls to the ceilings. I mean, those are all products that are coded in potentially, uh, harmful chemicals. Now, thank God paints. You'll see all the time, low VOC paint. There are some better products out there building materials that are better products. But I have a, a home inspector that I work with once in a while.   (47:43): And he'll go through and homes just to see for different berries things that you know, he does, but he calls some of the homes. He said some of the homes I go in it they're like coffins. They're sleeping in these homes that no air is getting moving around. They're loaded with all these new products that have chemicals emitting off of them and they emit for a while. It's not something you have to get them out gas for a while. So new builds, I would definitely be concerned. And definitely if you're in a new build, I would absolutely have air purifiers running all the time.   (48:19): Yeah. And don't bring a new baby home to a new build. Please it's just overwhelm their detoxification system. It drives me crazy when I watch HD TV, which is my absolute favorite channel. I love architecture and design and building. And when these people are like, oh, we gotta get the new bill ready. So we bring the baby home and I'm thinking, no, don't do that to your child. And most people are not aware of the dangers of that. So we would be remiss if we didn't discuss it. You know, this actually is in the mainstream information back when they had the hurricane in new Orleans and they brought in all these trailers for people to live in, in temporary housing, I think it was 30% of them got deathly ill for moving into these trailers all at one time. So this was a population study and they discovered it was from the formaldehyde. So because we all move into new homes, popcorn style there's no, it doesn't seem like there's causality, but this was very clear and undeniable. So hopefully this will lead to some building regulation changes. Thank you so much T for the wonderful information, you have a free gift that everybody can access and download top 10 toxins to avoid, uh, where it'll have the link in the show notes. Anything you wanna say about that?   (49:42): Oh yeah. It's a guide. If you go to the shop tab and tab down, I think it's the top one toxins to avoid. So, and just read your ingredients, start reading your ingredients and knowing your labels, just like you would reading your ingredients and any food that you would eat as well, reading ingredients that you're using in your home and treat your home. Like it's your best friend because you need it as much as it needs you.   (50:05): I always say that your home is your second body treat us like your second body but most people are so challenged in caring for their first body. uh, it's usually not the first thing I say, but it really is your second body mm-hmm . So T's also got a 15% off a code. Dunston two zero that you can use. Uh, we'll have that in the show notes as well. If you're interested in purchasing any of her products and I wanna thank you team for joining us today.   (50:35): Oh, you're very welcome. And you know what? That should have been 20% off DUNS than 20. So even better, there'll be 20% off. So I'm gonna email you that link just so you don't make a mistake on that one.   (50:47): Okay. We'll have it in the show notes for you. Thank you all for joining us today. Thank you for your interest in your health and for really creating the brilliant health that you deserve. I hope that you've enjoyed today's podcast episode and that you've learned something and mostly that you take the information you've learned and you take action. So I want you to think about the one change that you're gonna make based on this information, whether you're driving a car or you're working out at the gym, just make a note based on what I heard today, I am going to do X today. Just one thing. 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    Harness The Power of Stem Cells To Regrow Your Parts, Heal Your Hormones And Reverse Aging

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 9, 2022 46:30


    Do you feel like you're aging before your time? Do you have wrinkles, gray hair, and low energy?   If so, you're not alone. But there's good news!   According to our guest for this episode of The Hormone Prescription Podcast, Dr. Joy Kong, it's possible to turn back the clock by harnessing the power of stem cells.   Joy Kong, M.D. is a UCLA-trained, triple board-certified physician (American Board of Psychiatry & Neurology, American Board of Addiction Medicine, American Board of Anti- Aging & Regenerative Medicine). She is the president of Uplyft Longevity Center in Los Angeles, California, where she specializes in stem cell therapy, ketamine therapy, as well as a wide range of therapeutic modalities to improve patients' overall health by enhancing their body's innate regenerative potentials.   Dr. Kong shares in this podcast episode her groundbreaking research on how stem cells can be used to regenerate tissue, improve hormone function, and reverse the effects of aging. She also provides practical tips on how midlife women can take advantage of this exciting new technology.   In this episode, you'll learn: What are stem cells, and how do they work? How stem cells can be used to regenerate tissue, improve hormone function, and reverse the effects of aging How to use stem cells for health and longevity The latest research on stem cells and aging Skin care products from stem cells   So if you're ready to feel younger, more vibrant, and full of life, this is the episode for you!   Tune in now and learn how to harness the power of stem cells to regrow your parts, heal your hormones, and reverse aging.   (00:00): Do you ever wonder what all the buzz is about stem cell therapy and if it might be for you or not? My gift today, Dr. Joy Kong is gonna help you understand the benefits of stem cell therapy. And if this is right for you, stay tuned.   (00:16): So the big question is how do women over 40, like us keep weight off, have great energy balance. Our hormones in our moods feel sexy and confident and master midlife. If you're like most of us, you are not getting the answers you need and remain confused and pretty hopeless to ever feel like yourself. Again. As an OB GYN, I had to discover for myself the truth about what creates a rock, solid metabolism, lasting weight loss, and supercharged energy. After 40 in order to lose a hundred pounds and fix my fatigue. Now I'm on a mission. This podcast is designed to share the natural tools you need for impactful results. And to give you clarity on the answers to your midlife metabolism challenges, join me for tangible natural strategies to crush the hormone imbalances you are facing and help you get unstuck from the sidelines of life. My name is Dr. Kyrin Dunston welcome to the hormone prescription podcast.   (01:10): Hey everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the hormone prescription with Dr. Kyrin. Thank you so much for joining me today. I'm excited to dive into the topic of stem cells with you. It's such an important topic. I mean, after all, we wouldn't be here on this planet. If  it weren't for stem cells, we would start as stem cells, right? When the embryo is formed in the uterus from the sperm and egg meat, we are stem cells. And then all of those cells differentiate into the various organs and parts of our body. And we become adult humans, but stem cells still form this reservoir. That's available to us to recreate our bodies' moment to moment, but their number decreases over time. And this is one of the reasons that aging happens. So maybe you've heard about the buzz about stem cells. Maybe you've heard about some controversies.   (02:09): We're gonna dive into that too. What's FDA approved. What's not and why. And we might even give you some ideas or inspiration for how you might want to access and use stem cells for your various health ailments or to achieve your aspirations of becoming fairly immortal, living a long time and being healthy while you do it. I'm gonna tell you a little bit about Dr. Joy and then we'll get started. Dr. Joy Kong is a medical doctor. She's trained at UC a N triple board certified American board of psychiatry and neurology American board of addiction, medicine, American board of antiaging and regenerative medicine. Wow, that's a lot of work. She's the president of the uplift longevity center in Los Angeles, California, where she specializes in stem cell therapy, ketamine therapy, as well as a wide range of therapeutic modalities to improve patients overall health by enhancing their bodies, innate regenerative potentials.   (03:13): She is an avid educator and the founder of the American academy of integrative cell therapy, a a I ct.org, where she trains other physicians on stem cell therapy. And she conducts clinical research on stem cell therapy. And she's a published author in many scientific journals now to provide her patients with the best regenerative medicine products. She founded Cher biologics, where she developed the most potent and comprehensive stem cell product in the country with a patent pending formulation, as well as a 100% natural stem cell cream chair Omni. And we've got a link for you in the show notes with a discount code to get her skin cream. And you wanna get this cream trust because if you could see her face on this podcast, you'd be like, oh my God, her skin is amazing. I want that. She's sending me a bottle and I'm gonna let you know how I do with it.   (04:09): I'm gonna take before and after pictures too. So we can see what happens with my skin. She was recognized for her contribution in the field of regenerative medicine and awarded the top doctor of the year in stem cell therapy in 2019, as well as stem cell doctor of the decade in 2021 by the prestigious I a O T P that's the international association of top professionals. She also has a memoir. She wrote tiger of Beijing and it's garnered tremendous interest. It was named 2020 book of the year and showcased at times square. She was also featured in the 2021 book heroes leaders, legends, the power of the human spirit, along with movers and shakers, such as Oprah Winfrey, Deepak Chopra and Maya angel. You might know a few of them, so we'll help me to welcome Dr. Joy Kong to the podcast.   (04:59): Thank you for inviting me, Kyrin.   (05:01): So happy to have you on today. You can speak about so many topics that I want my listeners to hear about. We're gonna start with stem cells, cuz that's really what you're known for and so passionate about, and you've developed products to help people and really have a unique way at looking at this technology and using it with people. I think that they need to know about, but let's start at with the basics. cause a lot of people have an idea of what stem cells are and they think, you know, it only, they only come from placenta and that that's really a violation and we shouldn't be using them. So can you talk about what stem cells are?   (05:45): Yeah. There's such a wide array of the types of stem cells. You know, in our current, you know, our bodies, we all have a ton of stem cells. Of course, as we get older, we lose more and more, but in each of your tissue, there are organ specific stem cells. But when we go back to the origin, we all came from a fertilized egg. So that was the first quintessential stem cell. And from that one stem cell, you can form a multitude of stem cells and somehow these cells know how to migrate and how to form a three dimensional structure that became eventually the baby. So as the baby's organ started to form, then you get more of more specialized cells. But before these cells, from that single fertilized egg to reach the stage of a tissue specific stem cell, there could be a thousand different variations and they're all stem cells.   (06:37): So in, in this baby, you know, eventually the organs are formed and there are cells that are organ cells, but they're also tissue specific stem cells. I say a liver they're liver stem cells that can form a liver cell. So in our body, throughout our body, we have all these stem cells. So there's, you know, it's like a continuum of this stem cell evolution in the body. And not only we have tissue specific stem cells, there are certain stem cells that are really special. One of the most special one is called Kinal stem cells. So these are cells that are all over your blood vessels. So anywhere you have blood vessel supply, blood supply, you have these cells that are huddling around the blood vessels, waiting for signals from the blood or sensing the signals in the neighbor neighborhood of all these other cells. And, and they're, they have this communication coordination effect that they are able to tell what the local cells should be doing by sensing what's going on in the blood, or they can figure out what's needed in the local tissue and send out signals to the blood.   (07:45): So they have this, you know, like I call them the master of regeneration. So conductor in the symphony of regeneration. So we still have those stem cells in our body. And that's what people are doing with fat deriv stem cells. They're trying to extract fat, but they're really not getting stem cells from fat. They're getting the stem cells that are along the blood vessels, that supplies the fat cells. And then you can U utilize those cells for regeneration. So there's so many different sources. You can get stem cells from Meru blood. You can get stem cells from blood, you know, in the small amount, but you can get it, you know, if on bone marrow. So the embryonic stem cells that, that has controversy mm-hmm was in the beginning that you know, of stem cell research, they thought that's the, the end all be all.   (08:32): And, and that's the, the best source. And they were able to grow they were extracting cells from five to seven day old embryo and utilizing those cells to form any organ, you know, or cells of any tissue type and does involve destroying an embryo, which is where the controversy comes. But we've moved. You, you know, far from that, there's still research done embryonic stem cells, but clinically there's no one in this country, legally that's actually doing embryonic stem cell treatments. They are using a person's own, you know, extracted from your own body or using birth tube, which are biological waste. You know, after the baby is born, they, you know, usually they will discard the placenta and the Bual cord. But now we know that they have incredibly powerful regenerative cells in these tissues. And that's what a lot of doctors use and that's what I use.   (09:32): And I believe that's a superior source, which is why I've lectured on the subject in various stem cell conferences. And I put my lecture online is called, are all MSCs created equal. So even when you're looking at mechy stem cells, they're not really the same whether or not it's from an adult source, from the bone marrow, from the fat or from the birth tissue, even within different birth tissue compartments, the cells are all a little different. They have different potentials to become different types of cells. They have different growth factors they secret. So there's vast amount of difference, even though they're all messing Al stem cells, right. The cells that are Hulings. So there's huge variations, you know, of what's going on out there.   (10:17): Okay. So thank you for clarifying that no fetuses were harmed in the making of the stem cells that Dr.Kong is talking about. Okay. So everybody can relax. So autologous from yourself, right. Stem cells. So getting harvesting them from your body, you mentioned menstrual blood. I know some women out there are gonna be Googling that in five seconds, looking up, how do I get stem cells out of my menstrual blood to use it? Is that really something that's used in clinical practice?   (10:46): Not much in this country, but I think overseas, there may be some clinics that are using it. Yeah.   (10:51): Okay. Just curious, because I hadn't heard that, but I know you can get cord blood, babies, cord blood banked to save the cells for later use if you want it for your child. That's something that was big back when I delivered babies, which has been a long time since I did that. So these stem cells, makeable stem cells. What can you use them for, for, in terms of healing in the body? What kind of applications?   (11:20): Yeah. So first of all, of course, you know, as well as I do that, no claims can be made if there's no FDA indication. So the only FDA indication for stem cell therapy is for Buco blood or bone marrow derived stem cells for chemo reconstitution. So basically replacing your blood system, regenerating white blood cells, red blood cells, the whole blood system, that's the only FDA indication everything else will be off-label use. So there's no direct FDA indication. However, research has been extremely active all around the world, which is why I put together the course for American academy of integrative cell therapy. So for interested is a, a I ct.org on there. I have a lot of articles listed of, for different conditions, clinical excerpts. I have, you know, hundreds of articles that I share with doctors when they take the training, they're all categorized by organ systems and disease categories like over 30 categories within each category.   (12:24): They're, you know, they could be 10 subcategories. So it's very extensive. And they're also some case studies of people who that have been treated that have gotten great results. So while I cannot make any claims, I can't speak from my own clinical experience cause I'm really excited for how well my patients did, but I also am willing to share, you know, research results of you know, all these different conditions. If you look at research from cardiovascular system issues, atherosclerosis, congestive heart failure, different kidney diseases, liver cirrhosis, you know, central nervous system conditions, autism, and C O P D you know, different lung fibrotic conditions, all kinds of autoimmune diseases. And it's you know, powerful evidence on all kinds of autoimmune issues. And even including things like eye conditions, years, you know, hearing pretty much, you know, like most organ systems are covered.   (13:23): So there has been really great results. And even for just general anti-inflammation, they have shown to reduce inflammatory markers and also improve the markers of aging, such as hair, skin, energy level sex drive, and then showing anti-aging benefits when these animals, so animal studies were done where these animals were given older animals, given regular IV treatment. And with the, the IV stem cell treatment, these animals showed that in their brain and their muscles, the neurotropic factors, you know, the neurotransmitter levels, the growth factor release, inflammatory markers, everything was reverted back to younger state. So there's powerful, anti-aging benefits. So basically as we age, we're losing more and more stem cells, just, you know, a number when we were born, every one in 10,000 cells is a mess. Kinal stem cell, right? They're everywhere. And when we reach our teenage years, it's already one in a hundred thousand.   (14:28): So you got tenfold less as far as you know, the ratio. And then when you reach your forties, it becomes one in 400,000. And when you reach your eighties is one in 2 million. So this is why we are getting wrinkles. We're, you know, we're starting to decline in our immune system. We're getting more cancers is because your body can't keep up. It cannot regenerate, you know, wear and tear disease, osteoarthritis, you know, we are wearing and tearing our tissue so much more when we're little kids, but it's fixed right up. You don't get osteoarthritis, but when you are older, old injuries, your body, all of a sudden just can't keep up anymore. It just can't give you enough replacement to regenerate. And then you get lots of weight and pains. So we are running outta stem cells. And that's why I'm such an advocate of using these stem cell therapy to replace what's lost.   (15:23): So all this regenerative, this powerful life force that's doodling. As we age, now we can replace it so we can give body the signals. It used to receive just like what you do with hormone replacement, all these important signals that start to get less and less. You replace the signal. All of a sudden you can bring yourself way ahead, right. Of how you were doing because your body was starving of these signals. So these cells have, you know, huge array of signaling capacities. And, you know, like for example, I just gave you a quick rundown of the kind of capability these cells have, first of all, hugely anti-inflammatory they? So rather than a single hormone, right? These are life cells. They're able to secrete lots of different factors, cytokines that can reduce inflammation. Mm-Hmm they also have anti-fibrotic properties. So they can molecules that can break down scar tissue.   (16:22): They also have immune modulating properties. So they can shift immune system from more inflammatory to a more anti-inflammatory state. They have angio properties because they can sense signals to help your blood vessel, to form more blood vessels and supply more nutrients. And, you know, like blood exchange. And they also have direct antimicrobial properties. They actually secret antimicrobial peptides. They have anti-cancer properties that has been shown, and it has been used in research for cancer treatments and showing great results. And it also have what's called anti apoptotic property. So it prevents program cell death when tissues are injured, just like when we see in stroke, you may have the area that the blood supplies cut off and that's where the cells die. But the neighboring cells start to die as well is because of the signaling cascade. That's triggering the apoptosis program, cell death, and that's where the cells can come in and abort those processes. So it can stop these cells from going on these death path. So there's all this wide array of actions and that's why is so exciting. And, and that's why it's such an elegant treatment. It can help so many things in the cell, right. Also have the ability to define their way , but let's   (17:43): Back up for a second. Cause I do wanna dive into certain applications that I think people will be most interested in, or people have talked to me about in the past. But before we do that, you mentioned the only FDA claims are allowed for bone marrow and cord blood kind of rebuilding of the blood system, usually after cancer, after it's eradicated for blood cancers. So what if the FDA doesn't allow any indications? Not for intravenous, not for focal use, what are people actually using it in clinical practice for, in America right now? Okay. So   (18:26): This is where we come to the 2017 policy from the FDA where they were there's concern. These products can be used and they're very, you know, they're holistic products, their natural products, and the FDA wanted to regulate the me drugs, right? So one sided argument is that these are not drugs. These are tissue transplantations, you know, not that different from transplanting organs or blood. So the FDA decided, okay, if you do not change the cells by putting in all kinds of chemicals, enzymes, you're not basically changing the characters of the cells and you're not growing them into huge numbers. We're gonna allow you to use them as tissue transplant. We're not gonna categorize 'em as drugs. So we don't require, we don't have the same standards, right? We don't require you to do medical studies and get clinical approval. So that's what we're using. We're using the message tissue transplant. So as physicians, we can provide tissue transplantation, right? That's part of what we can do. So just like grafting, you know, a piece of you know, artery, you know, when we do, you know, grafting, we can put it from one person to another person bone grafting. So this is all part of what physician can can do. And that's what a lot of doctors are operating under.   (19:44): And so you can use those intravenously or locally, like intra particular in a joint,   (19:50): Local tissue injections. That's where there's least least concerns from the FDA. I don't think they liked the idea of intravenous treatments because somehow, you know, that they didn't like the idea of a systemic effect, even though everything would put in the body has a systemic effect. You can put something in a joint, it was still have a systemic effect. So I don't know where that policy came from, but you know, that's what their concerns are. So there are doctors who are doing intravenous therapy because of the vast amount of research showing incredible safety and then also efficacy. So from the clinical studies, the key is no claims should be made because if you are doing intravenous, that's considered, you know, more toward drug route. If that's the case, you know, then no claim should be made, right? It's an experimental procedure. So you inform people properly that there has been no FDA approval and this experimental and you understand the risks and benefits and alternatives. So that's how doctors are doing it is by giving proper consent and telling people that there's no guarantee of, of effect. Although there can be research that you can educate the patients on, okay, this condition, look at all these research results, but you know, still no claims can be made   (21:11): Well. And, and what's true for a lot of the medications and treatments that we use in medicine. They're not FDA-approved I mean, if you look at when I practiced obstetrics, we used to give something called Turine for what we call lysis. If women went into premature labor, that's not FDA approved for stopping labor, but we used it for that. So we use lots of things in medication. I want everybody listening to understand that this doesn't mean this is illegal. It doesn't mean that it's anything nefarious. It just means that they've said we don't regulate this , and it's out of their jurisdiction. And so we use lots of what we call off-label. Okay. So now we've gotten that out of the way   (21:57): Of medications used that theirs are actually, off-label used yes. In math practice, 80%, like vast majority are not FDA approved, but that's what doctors have decided to be helpful. And that has become a standard. And then everybody do it, right?   (22:13): So if the research shows it, if you, if you wait till the FDA approves it, you could be waiting forever, and you know, life is short. So you need to get some help now. And stem cells are pretty amazing. So can we talk about maybe how you are using it in your practice? What are some specific applications that you're finding the best results with? And if you wanna touch on the research too, that would be great.   (22:42): Yeah. So first of all, of course, musculoskeletal issues, you know, I do local injections into joints, into soft tissue. So that has been really, really helpful for anything. So like   (22:56): Your arthritis, if someone's told they need a knee replacement you're rebuilding cartilage?   (23:01): Yeah, my first patient, he was 69 years old. And he was told by two orthopedic surgeons that he absolutely needed bilateral knee replacement. So he wanted to try stem cells as a last ditch resort. So because of how large the knee joint is, the way that the cartilage is nourished, the inner two-thirds, the cartilage nourished by the sono fluid in the joint capsule. But the outer one-third is nourished by the blood supply. So it's better to attack from both angles. Of course, we know that, you know, by replacing stem cells, the stem cells do interact with the immune system, help boost the immune system. So there's like all these other effects, but, but we're targeting both ants for the, for the knee. And what's interesting was, so this is six years later, he's going to all kinds of trade shows. He's never had an operation.   (23:49): He's walking four miles every day, barely feels his knees. And what's really fascinating was the next day after the treatment. He said, you know, I slept through the night and I haven't been able to sleep through the night for decades because I had a rotator cuff tear when I was a, you know, late teens and when my car rolled over. So it never fully healed. Every time I shift in my bed, I wake up from the sharp pain. So he slept through the night. It, that huge anti-inflammatory effect. I didn't even know about his shoulder. He never told me about it. So that just shows you that this is why it's so exciting, right? The cells have intelligence. And if there's screaming inflammation in his rotator cuff and the cells, you know, they're attracted to those signals mm-hmm and they went there and they helped him fix it. So this is, you know, he's, he's great. He's doing fantastic. That was my first case. Of course, I'm gonna be hooked .   (24:41): And so he received these stem cells intravenously and in the joint, in the knee joint, both as you were attacking it, both sides and then voila, this shoulder injury that he had. And can you talk a little bit about the data on knees and joints? Because I think it's pretty impressive.   (25:01): Yeah. Yeah. Well, one of the studies really fun, such an interesting study because they use people who have bilateral knee basic osteonecrosis. So, both knees are really are rotting basically because of steroid. So these people supposedly need bilateral knee replacement. So what they did was that they divide these 30 people like midline, one knee received, knee replacement, the other knee, they give them stem cell injections. And what's fascinating was this is, I think, about 12 years study. So in the end, what happened was out of all the knees that were replaced, six needed revision surgery. So 30 needs, right, 30 patients, 30 needs were replaced six out of those needed revision surgery because they weren't doing too well out of the 30 needs that got stem cell injections, only one ever needed replacement. So that's a powerful statistic. Yeah,   (26:01): It's phenomenal. And I know some people are listening, then they're Googling, where can I get this done? But I guess, can you talk a little bit about, for instance, a knee injection, what's the cost for stem cell therapy for something like that.   (26:16): So for mild to moderate condition, it costs about $4,000 for severe, you know, cuz we need more product to be used and they are expensive. It costs $7,000 at my clinic, but I do tend to use the IV route, especially when a person's over the age, 55 or so because they just, they, they have lagging regenerative capabilities. So I do tend to add the IV treatment, which has been to have, you know, tremendous anti-aging benefits, but also it's gonna amplify the results. The more products that's used, the more expensive it gets. So the range is between, I'll say when people come to my clinic, the range is 7,000 to $15,000. That's how much it usually costs.   (27:00): And the reason I asked that question is because I always try to do the interview from the viewpoint of my listener. And I know that's what they're wondering, but what I wanna say as a consumer, that that's really the wrong question to ask   (27:17): Right. Everybody wants to know when they hear what I do when they hear what Dr. Joy does, does my insurance cover it? How much does it cost? And the answer is no, your insurance doesn't cover it cuz they're not interested in you being optimally healthy. They're not interested in you necessarily avoiding a joint replacement. And I've talked about that on other podcasts, how really the churn and burn of our medical system is profiting off of your illness. So only you have are the one to take the vested interest and say, yeah, instead of going on this vacation or buying this fancier car, I would rather avoid surgery for various reasons and invest it in my health for whether it's natural hormone replacement therapy or stem cell therapy are all of these tools that I teach you about on the podcast that most of you get the value of. And so that's why I asked that question is cause I wanted to, to bring it up and just to, as a marketer, remind everyone to question why you have the beliefs that you have and why you think the thoughts that you do cause ultimately the quality of your health will be determined by the quality of questions that you ask about your health and how much does it cost is not an empowering question.   (28:32): Such a great, but that   (28:34): Yes. Okay. So knees, now I know you've developed this a skincare line. I wish y'all could see her skin. It's absolutely gorgeous. Can you talk about your stem cell based skincare line and kind of what's the story behind how you developed that?   (28:51): Okay. Being in the antiaging field, of course we're getting educated on what we put on our body, what we ingest, you know, just, you know, the whole aspect. So skincare products, household, you know, cleaning products, I mean, and all these can have huge effect on, you know, hormone disruption and just all kinds of toxicity. So when I realized what was, you know, all these cosmetic products and I thought this was really scary, you know, I really don't want to put all these chemicals on my skin, which is the most absorbent organ in the body. So I thought, okay, let me find a natural cream, all natural cream. So I would spend a lot of money buying some Korean cream and they said, it's all natural. But then when I actually looked at the ingredients after using it for a while, I was like, what's this?   (29:37): And what's that, oh my God, you know, that's, that's not all natural. So I, I was like, okay, now I need to find true all natural product, go to natural expos and getting some samples. And then I'll leave in my drawer for like a month or two, by the time I was ready to try them out and they're separated into different layers. I thought, you know, these people know how to make a cream. You know, that's when I was so frustrated and I was like, you know what? I have access to stem cells to peptides and I can design my own cream. So why don't I just make an amazing cream, you know, first of all, for myself, cuz I don't have one, I need one. And then after I make it, I can share it with everybody else. So that's really how it came about.   (30:16): It just, it was frustrating to find a decent cream. So I make sure it's a hundred percent natural. Even the preservative is a hundred percent is a natural preservative because I refuse to and use any synthetic, even if it means extending the life sh the shelf life of the product. So it has, you know, a big component of a stem cell from the political cord and they're not not alive. You know, I'm not claiming that there are any life cells because it it's, it's impossible to keep the cells alive, but they do have all these regenerative signaling molecules that are still in, you know, in them. And they're still, you know, they're well preserved so that once you put on the skin, they can give your skin the right signals. And I also put all these different peptides that are known for skin regeneration, you know, for anti-inflammatory actions, you know, reducing wrinkles, improving collagen production. And then I put in, you know, all these incredible natural oils, natural oils can be hugely powerful. And then all these different, interesting herbal extracts that have, you know, anti pigmentation properties and, you know, sun protection properties, just incredible skin, regenerative properties and then antioxidants and pre prebiotics. So that's the, the whole formula. It just, I'm very proud of it because it's just, it's impossible to find something like that on the market. That's a true a hundred percent natural product.   (31:41): It is so true. And all my ladies, like in my gut detox program, they're always, what can I use? What can I use? And you know, I'll recommend something and we'll research it and then, oh, by the way, it's got this chemical in it. And oh, by the way, it's got that chemical and everybody listening. Dr. Joy told me before we started recording that she's gonna give everyone a special code to get a discount on her product. So we'll have that in the show notes for you and a link so you can check them out. I haven't tried them, but I am super excited to do so. And I will do that. And then I'll report back to everyone, to all my listeners about them,   (32:20): Do it before and after picture, you know, for themselves, you seriously and no cheating, you know, same lighting, same spots, same time of day. We have, you know, doctors who are stock expensive products in our office, you know, European products, you know, Korean product, you know, they're phasing them out because they love this cream so much, you know, estheticians were really experienced who have seen everything on the market. They absolutely love this product. So I'm really proud of   (32:44): It. Yes, you should be. It sounds amazing. And I'm just wondering, there's all kinds of data with, you know, my thing is hormones and just using natural hormone therapy and decreased number depth and size of wrinkles, decrease skin sagging. Right? All of the data on how it improves the quality of our skin. Also our hair and nails.   (33:07): I've definitely seen it in people who are using the cream. I mean, you know, stem cells have been used for as far as for wound repair, you know, it's hugely powerful and I've seen people who have you know, within a couple weeks, you know, two, three weeks the reduction in fine wrinkles. So there's, you know, pretty rapid, you know, regenerative properties. Mm-Hmm, decreased pigmentation and, and some have people with with lesions falling off. So it definitely is very, yeah, very powerful. So a lot of it is through injection, but you can, you know, inject and I do that with wound care. I can inject along the rim of the wound and that just is so, so incredible, you know, getting the wound to close, but topically, it can because we have a, you know, an ingredient to help with deep penetration of mm-hmm the molecules. This is why you don't need a separate toner, a serum, you know, eye cream moisturizer. You don't need, you don't need a whole, you know, line of product. You just need this one because it's deep penetrating. You don't need to use those tricks to get the product, to get deeper into your skin.   (34:21): Yeah. I think most people think that their skin is solid, but it's really porous and permeable. And anything you put on your skin goes through your bloodstream and goes to the deeper layers and really is very accessible to the rest of your system. So let's, I wanna talk about heart disease. And also if you can autoimmune disease, you mentioned it earlier that there are really a lot of FDA indication, well, not FDA indications, but studies that have been done that show that there's improvement with these types of disorders. Can you talk a little bit about the use of stem cells for those things?   (35:01): Yeah. For heart disease, they've shown for like an atherosclerosis decreas in plaque size at the aortic root. So they actually dissected the vessel and, and show an imaging and how the macrophages aggregation, you know, was changing. You know, how there's just much, much less plaque that's in the blood vessels. And it has been shown to improve ejection fraction in people with heart failure or people who have myocardio infarction. So heart attack also helped to regain cardiac function and repair the cardiac tissue and breaking down scar tissue. So, you know, when we have heart attack and, you know, we have debt tissue and scarring tissue. So because the antifibrotic properties of the cells, they can help break down scar tissue and form new tissue. So it's pretty impressive.   (35:51): Okay. And this would be with an intravenous application.   (35:54): Yeah. So the studies have done either intravenous or intra intra cardio injections, so they can okay. Inject into PE pericardium or into the heart, you know, muscle self, so different types of injections, but they have all shown really good results.   (36:10): Awesome. The name of the prescription is the hormone. The name of the podcast is the hormone prescription. So I always try to tie everything into hormones. How does this affect hormones? You mentioned about the cytokines and the growth factors that come along with these stem cells, the signaling molecules. And so can you talk a little bit about how this interacts? Yes,   (36:32): Actually it's fascinating. You know, cause one of the sections I cover in my horse is reproductive health and they've done studies on animals like menopausal rats or just aging animals and giving them stem cells, younger stem cells, they showed in increase in ovary size, increase in number of follicles, increase in estrogen levels and decrease in FSH and LH. Right. so that's all good sign and the increase in number of pregnancies. So that's pretty powerful evidence that it actually enhances hormone levels and improve re reproductive health.   (37:14): Yes. That's amazing. Yeah. I mean stem cells and growth factors and all these things you're talking about affect everything. And like you mentioned earlier, it's, anti-aging it reverses aging. There are some things you can do without the use of stem cells to improve all of these parameters. Aren't there. What kinds of are there things I know some people are wondering, I don't want stem cells, Kyrin, but I'm wondering, are there other things I can do?   (37:42): well, healthy practices. Of course, you know, you want to eat very healthy and do exercise and make sure you detox, get the toxins out of your body, maybe through saunas and you know, Inre sauna or, you know, other supplements. I mean, all those are really, you know, wonderful ways. There's so many hacks where we're like at a biohacking blossom right now, it can be dizzying, you know, seeing all the things you can do, but I still don't believe there's anything that can replace the power of life itself. I'm giving life. You know, when I inject these stem stem cells into the body, I'm injecting the origin of life, right? The early, early life. And what is in those cells, the first stem cell, the fertilized egg, how does it know to form an entire human being? This is an incredible miraculous feat.   (38:39): How does it know? So what kind of incredible intelligence is in that cell is embedded in that DNA, right? So I'm transplanting just maybe part of that intelligence because as the cells get older and older, you lose more and more of that kind of intelligence, but I'm giving early cells and they still contain a lot of that intelligence. What's really cool is that the stem cells, the me Kinal stem cells from these birth tissue, they're actually in between embryonic stem cells, as far as how primitive and powerful they are embryonic stem cells and the stem cells in the baby. When these cells, when, when these Al cord and placenta, when they were formed, a lot of these young cells were trapped during the embryogenesis. So they are keeping a lot of their early characteristics. This is why it's. So, you know, it is so powerful because they, you know, they're kind of a part embryo stem cells, but they don't have the problem. The embryonic stem cells, which is OMA formation, right? Uncontrolled growth. They don't have the drawbacks of the embryonic stem cells, but they carry a lot of powers of the embryonic stem cells.   (39:48): You know, I love that. You said what you said the way you said it, because I'm thinking again from the listener, they're thinking, oh, I don't wanna do all that. But they do the same thing with hormone therapy, joy. They go, no, I wanna do menopause naturally. Right. And I always like to say, no woman ever said, I'm gonna do osteoporosis naturally. my daughter. Dr. Told me I have osteoporosis and I'm just gonna do it naturally. I'm just gonna take some calcium and vitamin D no, they're like, oh my gosh, I'll be at risk for hip fracture. I could die from that. I could become incapacitated where I can't a emulate or live independently. I want, and they want treatment for it. Right. Women come to menopause and they're like, yeah, I'm gonna do it naturally. It's a natural phase of life. I'm not gonna do anything.   (40:34): And I go, that's fine. As long as you're educated about the consequences of that choice, mm-hmm right. You know, and the fact that neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer's are reduced by 79% and women who use hormone therapy for at least six years. Well, do you wanna reduce risk of getting Alzheimer's they go? Yeah. Well then hormone therapy would be a part of that macular degeneration. The number one cause of blindness in women who are 65 reduced with hormone therapy. And it's the same, like you just said, there's nothing that will replace stem cells. Nothing. If you really care about your health to the most degree, like if you ask most women in terms of your values, what do you care about? Most they say, oh my health. But then you ask them to categorize where they spend their time and their money and the health is on the bottom. So you gotta have this value shift and all this to say that, you know, I heard what you said, and I totally agree with you. There's really nothing that stem cells, there's no replacement for them. Just like, they're no replacement for hormones.   (41:40): Love that. So thank you for all   (41:41): That in perspective. Yeah. , it's brilliant with, you know, shifting that people's perceptions cuz they say one thing and then they're actually to   (41:50): Another another.   (41:51): So if you put it that way, you know, do you wanna do osteoporosis naturally? I mean that's a whole that's yeah. That's brilliant because people, they don't realize that's what they're doing.   (42:01): Well, thank you so much for sharing this wonderful information. I know you are passionate about ketamine therapy too. I'm gonna direct everyone to your website cuz we're already been going quite long, but they wanna find out more. We will have links to Dr. Joy's website. We'll have a link to her skincare products and a code for our discount. If you wanna use that, any other links that you would like us to put in the show notes? Dr. Joy.   (42:24): Yeah. So my YouTube channel just joy Kong MD. I have a lot of educational videos there. So people wanna dive deeper into different aspects of stem cells. I talked about five common mistakes that doctors make when they do stem cell therapy. I talk about what happens when other people's DNA are in your body. What does it really mean? Is that something to be alarmed about? You know, what are the three stages healing of stem cell therapy and you know, and what about treatment is in Panama? What's the difference? Are they better? So I go into all these specific questions that people have and I really try to, to, to get people a perspective because just not enough information is out there. Well, a lot of confusing information, but not a clear guidance for people.   (43:10): Yes. Wow. That's amazing. So much, so many resources that you have for people and they can seek treatment with you locally in LA. Is that correct?   (43:20): Yeah. So I'm in yeah, Los Angeles area, my clinics uplift longevity center. So we, I do have people who fly from all over the country and around the world to, to come to our clinic. Okay.   (43:30): So we'll have a link for that. Also all the links in the show notes, everyone. Thank you, Dr. Joy for coming and sharing your wisdom, your passion, your expertise, and really awakening to us to what's possible with stem cells. Thank you for doing,   (43:47): Yeah, we don't have to age and decline, you know, like I was joking with my, you know, my friends, but yeah, what we want is to be vibrant, vibrant, happy, vibrant. And then we're gone. That's the way we go.   (43:59): I literally, you're a walking billboard for that. I'm like she's must have been in medicine for as long, almost as long as I Haven. And she looks like she's 20. So stem cells. Yeah. I think that's where it's at   (44:15): With, with you. I have been doing IV stem cells on myself every three months for the fat past six years. You know, I don't because I'm usually, I'm already very healthy. You know, I take good care of myself, so I don't notice the difference. But other people, when people who don't see me every day, they notice it. They were telling me I'm looking younger and younger and this, you know, I was like, wow, really? Cuz I can't tell by looking myself every day, but I can tell now that Facebook keep reminding me of these happy anniversaries, you know, look at you seven years ago, they think I was gonna be happy because I was younger. And I was looking at is like, oh my God, I was aging. I didn't even know. So only now I have, you know, kind of reversed. It it's much easier to post a picture cuz I don't need to mess with it. You know, I look fine before. I was like, no, it's the lighting. It's a problem. So I was always trying to make myself look better and I still didn't look that great because you know you anyhow. So I was blaming the lighting, but now you're   (45:12): Blaming the lighting. It's not lighting y'all let's say you don't have enough stem cells. so now everybody's gonna have to go stalk your YouTube. Yes. They'll get educated, but they wanna see you aging in reverse, including me just TBH. I gotta be honest, but thank you so much for joining me and thank you for listening today. Thank you for joining me. Hopefully you've learned something that will empower you to take a step with your health, towards the brilliance that you deserve. We will have another great topic for you next week. I hope you have a wonderful week until then peace, love and hormones y'all   (45:52): Thank you so much for listening. I know that incredible vitality occurs for women over 40. When we learn to speak hormones and balance these vital regulators to create the health and the life that we deserve. If you're enjoying this podcast, I'd love it. If you give me a review and subscribe, it really does help this podcast out so much. You can visit the hormone prescription.com, where we have some gifts for you, and you can sign up to have a hormone evaluation with me on the podcast to gain clarity into your personal situation until next time, remember, take small steps each day to balance your hormones and watch the wonderful changes in your health that begin to unfold for you. Talk to you soon.   ► Discover what a stem cell cream can do for you. Reap the benefits of cutting-edge stem cell science to combat the causes of skin aging and rejuvenate your skin. CharaOmni's regenerative stem cell elements and potent peptides will jumpstart cellular repair and regeneration, along with other all-natural ingredients including herbal extracts, natural oils, antioxidants and hyaluronic acid. All in a deep-penetrating formula. Get it here. Use the code (HORMONEBLISS) to get a discount.   ► Watch Dr. Joy Kong's educational videos about stem cells, skincare, health and wellness. CLICK HERE.   ► Feeling tired? 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    The Perfect Stool: Why Healing Your Gut Is Essential For Hormone Health

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 2, 2022 50:06


    If you're a woman in your 40s, 50s, or beyond, you know that hormone health is key. But did you know that gut health is essential for hormone balance?   In this episode of The Hormone Prescription Podcast, Lindsey Parsons, a Certified Health Coach specializing in helping clients locally and nationally heal gut health issues and reverse autoimmune disease naturally as well as lose weight without cutting calories and hosts the podcast "The Perfect Stool: Understanding and Healing the Gut Microbiome", joins us to discuss the gut-hormone connection.     Lindsey shares with us:     How the gut and hormones are interconnected     How to heal your gut for better hormone health     The link between gut health and autoimmune disease     Type of tests to diagnose gut issues     How to create a healthy gut environment     Why some people suffer from SIBO as a chronic long term illness     The latest treatments for GI problems like  fecal microbiota transplant, breathwork, and colostrum   And more!   If you're interested in learning more about the gut-hormone connection and how to heal your gut for better hormone health, tune in now!   [00:00:00] "I'd rather pay for healthy food now than healthcare later." Would you? So the big question is how do women over 40, like us keep weight off, have great energy balance. Our hormones in our moods feel sexy and confident and master midlife. If you're like most of us, you are not getting the answers you need and remain confused and pretty hopeless to ever feel like yourself again.   [00:00:23] As an OB GYN, I had. Discover for myself, the truth about what creates a rock, solid metabolism, lasting weight loss, and supercharged energy. After 40 in order to lose a hundred pounds and fix my fatigue. Now I'm on a mission. This podcast is designed to share the natural tools you need for impactful results.   [00:00:41] And to give you clarity on the answers to your midlife metabolism challenge. Join me for tangible natural strategies to crush the hormone imbalances you are facing and help you get unstuck from the sidelines of life. My name is Dr. Kyrin Dunston. Welcome to The Hormone Prescription Podcast. Hey everybody.   [00:01:00] And welcome back to another episode of The Hormone Prescription Podcast with Dr. Kyrin. Thank you so much for joining me. My guest today is Lindsey Parsons. She has an amazing podcast called The Perfect Stool, Understanding And Healing, The Gut Microbiome. When I discovered her recently, I saw her podcast and I saw all the amazing guests she had and just really the depth and breadth of her knowledge in gut health and healing.   [00:01:26] And I know how central this is to hormone health and overall health. I had to have her on the podcast. And I reached out and she kind of said, well, I don't really do that kind of thing. I said, no, please, you gotta come talk to my ladies. So I bring her here to you today and I hope you enjoy her as much as I do.   [00:01:45] In addition to hosting the podcast, the perfect stool. She's a certified health coach and she works in Tucson. She specializes in helping clients nationally heal gut health issues and reverse autoimmune disease, as well as lose weight without cutting calories who doesn't want that. She also has this wonderful quote about a calorie not being a calorie.   [00:02:06] And she tells a little bit of a story about that, but you don't want to miss. She talks about fecal transplants, which if you don't know about that, you're gonna wanna hear about that. She talks about colostrum use for healing gut issues. We talk about SIBO testing. What tests to do.    [00:02:28] We talk about everything.   [00:02:29] So you'll see this episode is a little all over the place because I was super excited to talk to her. I knew I only had her for max an hour, so I was trying to jump around and hit all the things that I really wanted to chat with her about. You like it, and I hope you take it as an invitation to listen to her podcast and go more in depth into a lot of these issues that are of interest to you.   [00:02:54] There are way more than we could even cover. And I think we talked for 35, 40 minutes, so she has even way more available. So without further ado, please welcome Lindsey Parsons.   [00:03:06] Thank you.   [00:03:08] So glad to have you here. I don't remember where I found your podcast, but I was super excited when I did the perfect stool, understanding and healing, the gut microbiome, and then all the amazing guests and topics that you've had and how in depth you go.   [00:03:27] I was like, I have to talk to you.    [00:03:31] and I have to have you on the podcast. So thank you so much. Yeah, well, I appreciate you for inviting me. So I think that a lot of people in the general public who are looking for answers to their health, tend to only look for physicians. I'm glad to see that that's changing because I think there are some amazing health coaches, for instance, like you out there who really go so much deeper into a lot of these issues and really are better experts than a lot of physicians on things like you are for gut health.   [00:04:06] So talk to us about how you became so passion. About gut health and really what led you down that.    [00:04:15] So it was really my own health struggles that led me into this path. So years ago, unbeknownst to me, my, an episode of food poisoning led to something called Post infectious IBS, which I only actually found out within the last year or so is an autoimmune diagnosis that I have because I didn't have a typical presentation of IBS, which you might think of as, you know, may having diarrhea six times a day or severe constipation.   [00:04:47] I didn't have either of those, but. I did have gut symptoms that, you know, including bloating and reflux and things like that, that went on for years. And when I did see traditional doctors didn't really get a lot of help other than suggesting I take proton pump inhibitors, which I did for something like 10 or 15 years.   [00:05:08] And now they super strict about not taking more than two weeks at a time. So, you know, the long term damage from that, you can only imagine. . And when I did eventually find my way to a functional medicine provider and was put on a course of herbal treatment for something called SIBO or small intestine, bacterial overgrowth, which is what happens when you have this post infectious IBS.   [00:05:29] What happens is you have an autoimmune situation where the Migrating motor complex or the process by which food is cleared through your intestines after eating is impacted negatively and is attacked by your own body. Therefore, you don't have that clearing of the intestines and clearing of the bacteria and the intestines.   [00:05:50] So you get these overgrowths and stagnation, and then you end up with bloating every time you eat, because it's coming, the food's coming in, and immediately the bacteria are going crazy and producing gases. So I had that going on for years and you know, you meet a lot of people that have a lot of bloating after they eat and they just sort of rack it up to, I ate too much or, you know, a whole number of things.   [00:06:12] So. I did finally see somebody and they cleared the placebo for me. Eventually it took herbals and then followed by Rifaximin, which is a prescription, very expensive prescription drug that, that takes care of it. And then over time started changing my diet, getting rid of gluten, getting rid of dairy.   [00:06:29] Really, you know, reducing sugar significantly. And all of those things contributed to me getting much better. And then I also had several autoimmune diagnoses that, you know, cuz when you have these kind of gut issues, you can have followed on autoimmune issues. And so I had Hashimoto thyroiditis, which really, you know, when I found out about that, that really kicked me into gear about trying to turn things around because the doctor had said to me, oh, you can just wait until your thyroid's gone.   [00:06:55] Then we'll put you on. You know, thyroid hormones. And I thought, oh, I'm just gonna sit around and wait until my entire thyroid's destroyed by this. No, that's not what I'm gonna do.    [00:07:05] right. But that's such a typical mainstream medical approach. Um, nothing to do. You have raging thyroid peroxidase antibodies, you have Hashimotos and they do nothing.   [00:07:16] And then they literally say, we're not gonna do anything, you know, until you're you burn out your thyroid, which is just kind of insane. So then what happened at that point? I think I, all of this is a bit perhaps out of order, but I did eventually get off gluten, get off dairy and for a while off of Soy.   [00:07:34] Yeah, mm-hmm and, and, and I just kept retesting my hormones as I, my, I mean, my antibodies, rather my thyroid antibodies as I retested those foods. So it took a couple years. I, you know, I stayed off gluten for a year before I think I even retested, but then I, you know, you try it again and you see what happens and, and each of those foods.   [00:07:52] So anyway, I ultimately decided gluten and dairy are the two things that I'm most sensitive to. And then of course, everyone should stay off added sugar. So I try and avoid that in any case. And. Ultimately, I never had to take any thyroid hormones. My antibodies are now at zero. They're all completely normal and I never, now they can still see the damage from Hashimotos when they all use an ultrasound on my thyroid, but I still have normal TSH levels.   [00:08:17] I mean, not even just normal, optimal TSH levels. That's awesome.    [00:08:21] I want everyone listening to hear that clearly. She just told you that she healed herself from Hashimoto has no antibodies and has optimized thyroid function. This is what's possible with a root cause approach. And I think that when I talk about this on the podcast or on social media, people don't believe me because it's such an anomaly in mainstream medicine.   [00:08:44] And of course, regular doctors will look at you. Like you're crazy and say, that's not true, but it happens every day. We see it's an everyday miracle. So I love that you came down this path and you became so passionate about gut health. And I think to me, it makes sense why you focus on having the autoimmune disease or diseases focused on gut health, but I don't know  that's gonna make sense to everyone.   [00:09:11] Can you help them make that link betweeut health and autoimmune disease.   [00:09:15] Absolutely. So. There are three things that are necessary for an autoimmune condition to happen. And one is a genetic predisposition for that particular autoimmune disease. So some people's bodies will attack one, some one organ, some people's bodies will attack a different organ.   [00:09:32] Then you need to have a leaky gut or intestinal permeability, which means that the tight junctions in your intestines are not holding together or there are holes through actual cells in the intestines that are letting. Both toxins, undigested, food, bacteria, body parts, all sorts of things that your immune system is going to then start attacking.   [00:09:54] And then you activate the immune system like this. And that's what inflammation is in essence. And when you have undigested gluten proteins in particular or gliadin, it's called is the protein in gluten. It resembles the cells in your thyroid gland and your body will attack this protein and then also create antibodies that attack your thyroid.   [00:10:19] So in essence, it's a, what they call molecular mimicry or some sort of confusion in your body where it starts attacking itself. So that's always at the root of all autoimmune diseases. Yes.    [00:10:30] So if you have an autoimmune immune disease, I always tell people by definition you have a gut problem and people will say to me, well, My gut works just fine.   [00:10:39] I eat, I poop. I don't have loose stool. I'm not constipated. I don't get indigestion gas, bloating. And they say, I don't have a gut problem. I say, yes, you do. If you have a autoimmune disease, you've got a gut problem. So where is the disconnect? Why do people seemingly have no gut symptoms? But they have a gut problem, help us understand that.   [00:10:58] Well, sometimes I think what happens is there's a balance of bacteria in the gut, such that your stool looks okay, right? Like maybe, you have some constipating bacteria and you have some loosening bacteria and together they've canceled each other out. But that doesn't mean that you don't have a leaky gut.   [00:11:16] Typically there is some sort of gut infection causing leaky gut, but it doesn't necessarily. I mean, you could have toxins that are also in play or mold or things like that, but in general, something is causing your gut to be leaky. So, you know, it's interesting because sometimes I will see people's gut tests for potential stool donors for fecal transplants.   [00:11:39] And. And I'll say, oh no, you can't take this person's stool. They may have good stool, and they may seem healthy and have good digestion, but it's just full of problems. Like, I mean, they have, you know, major pathogens that you'd never wanna take on. So just because you don't have any obvious gut problems doesn't mean something's not gonna show up on a test, right?   [00:11:58] Yeah. I mean, you may not overtly have symptoms, but that doesn't mean that on a microscope or on the micro level, you're not having problems you are. If you have an autoimmune. Yeah. So you mentioned testing, let's start with that. Cause a lot of people, you know, they're used to going to their regular doctor and what happens at their regular doctor.   [00:12:19] Oh doc, I have indigestion after I eat. No tests are done and they're given a proton pump inhibitor or Hey doc, I can't poop. No tests are done. And then they're given some pro motility agent for their gut. Hey doc, I alternate diarrhea, constipation. oh, diagnosis of exclusion. You have irritable bowel syndrome.   [00:12:39] Mm-hmm and they're put on anti-spam. So they're not used to doing gut stool tests. And I remember when I first started doing this work and I started with my gynecologic patients and I told them they needed to do a stool test and they would look at me like I was crazy. What are you talking about? Well, you need to poop in this pie plate and send it off to scoop it into these little tubes and send it to the lab.   [00:13:01] And they're like, what? I'm not doing that cuz no doctor ever asked them to do that. mm-hmm so talk about, you know, the testing, maybe what are some of your favorite tests to do and what it shows you and how people can get comfortable with this idea of pooping in the pie plate?    [00:13:21] Well, I have to say the people who come to me have no problem giving up their stool for a test because they are coming typically with gut issues.   [00:13:28] However, yeah, my favorite is the GI map. I like that one because it includes H pylori and I have found it now over the course  of. Three or four years now of helping people with gut issues that people who are severely constipated often have an overgrowth of H pylori or just a high level of it that's given their symptomatic is also problematic.   [00:13:51] So that's a bacteria that causes ulcers or stomach cancer, but not always only when it has certain virulence factors. Nevertheless, people will typically present with stomach pain with reflux, but sometimes just constipation. Sometimes they don't have those upper GI symptoms with H pylori. So I like that it includes also the GI map.   [00:14:14] You know, a number of different levels of bacteria in the gut. So you can see if certain classes or certain Gena or certain species are elevated or too low, both of the commences, the normal good ones, and then the potentially pathogenic and then the actual toxic pathogenic ones. It also includes all the parasites.   [00:14:33] So you can catch up somebody as a para and then it includes markers of gut health and just digestion. So, like, do you have enough pancreatic enzymes? Do you have elevated levels of beta lyase, which ties into hormones? Do you have sufficient secretory, IGA, or is that super elevated? Indicating your gut immune system is on high alert and trying to fight something.   [00:14:55] So I just like that it's a good overall test of various markers. And then of course it has marker for Calprotectin, which is a marker of inflammatory bowel disease and the inflammation in the colon.    [00:15:07] Yes. That's actually my favorite too. So great minds think alike. I think it really gives you the most comprehensive view.   [00:15:14] And sometimes people will come to me and say, well, I had a volume test. Can't you use that? and I go, yeah, that's not useful at all. Can you share with your people your thoughts on the bio, that one or any other one of these direct to consumer tests are not as far as I'm concerned, clinically useful. They might be good for the consumer, but they typically, you know, they will make all sorts of commentary about what diet changes are necessary, for example, based on your microbiome and no harm in trying those things.   [00:15:49] But when you're dealing with parasites or digestive dysfunction, Dysbiosis, et cetera. I think you need a clinical level test for that kind of stuff. There's just not a lot of actionable for a practitioner. There's not a lot of actionable information on a volume test. I agree.    [00:16:11] I, I think the same is true for a lot of the DNA direct to consumer test.   [00:16:15] Like, is it 23? And me, it's just not all the actionable information that you would want. Like the Alzheimer's gene mm-hmm , that's something I think everyone should have. And, uh, they don't include. Oh, really? I feel like they've included in well, so, oh, maybe they have, well, you can take, you can pull the raw data.   [00:16:34] I'll sometimes ask my clients for their raw data and I put it in genetic genie and I run that. And then I see, cause I, because I know that I'm, I'm APO four, three Aprile four. Homozygous. So I have my high Alzheimer's risk, which I, the only reason I know that is from the 23 and me. So I know it came through may, either on genetic gen genie or directly on 23 and me.   [00:16:55] Great.    [00:16:56] And so how has that empowered you? Do you feel like it's empowered you or disempowered you to have that information?   [00:17:03] I don't know that I would be doing anything different because I'm already somebody who seeks to optimize my health and have been my entire life. So I don't know, but I think as I get older, I'm definitely going to be more attentive to any kind of lapses in memory.   [00:17:21] And then at some point I'm probably going to get hooked up with that. Program the Dale BNS program related to Alzheimer's just to make sure that I'm doing absolutely everything preventative and everything testing wise, to make sure I don't lose my memory any sooner than necessary. Yes, absolutely. The Recode protocol.   [00:17:38] And I think there are 28 parameters, 28 things you need to be doing that are totally worthwhile. My mom. It has advanced Alzheimer's. So it's something I'm very keenly aware of and, you know, it's too late for her. Like I shared in a recent TEDx talk that I did talk about her only risk factor was that she had been menopausal for three decades without hormone therapy.   [00:18:01] And that is, of course, one of the main tens of the Recode protocol is using. Hormones therapy, natural hormone therapy. Speaking of which the podcast is called the hormone prescription. So I tie everything into hormones because to me, everything in the body is related to hormones. So how does let's go back to autoimmune disease with gut dysfunction, leaky gut.   [00:18:25] Intestine intestinal hyperpermeability as a key factor.    [00:18:30] How does this interact with the hormonal meal, you and the body?   [00:18:32] In my particular case, I'm not sure if there's a huge interaction, but in general, I mentioned on the GI map, there's a hormone, uh, I mean an enzyme called beta Gluar days and that. Is an enzyme that breaks the tight bond between glucuronic acid and toxins, including circulating estrogens in the intestines.   [00:18:55] And so when that gets elevated in certain bacteria in the gut, produce it so certain bacteria from the, the, uh, class ties also certain clostridia E coli. And there's a lot of healthy E coli, not just the ones that are known to be pathogenic and stalac rheumatic. So there's a number of different bacteria that produce it.   [00:19:18] And when those tend to get overgrown, then you can have access. Beta glucoronide and then this is breaking apart, this bond and recirculating estrogens in the body, which can lead to estrogen-related breast cancer, potentially colon cancer. So there's some correlations between those and. When that happens, what you can do to reverse it is to move to a lower fat, lower meat diet, to more of a plant-based diet because higher fiber will help undo that process.   [00:19:50] Yes, it's so    [00:19:51] true. The beta glucuronidase. So anyone who is suffering, which is very common sometimes in thirties and forties year old women, before they go through menopause with excess estrogen. And symptoms of that. It could be fibroid, endometriosis, heavy, painful periods, which is often associated with weight gain bloating.   [00:20:13] These are estrogen dominant conditions. You gotta look at your beta Glu UASE in your stool because it could be elevated. So that could be one of the key causes of one of your hormonal imbalances And then the other thing I always like to say for anyone with an autoimmune disease is you've got a foot on the accelerator of inflammation and that's this leaky gut, but you have no break on your car.   [00:20:39] And that would be cortisol, which is your body's natural steroid. So what do they do when you have a flare up of any type of inflammation or autoimmune disease? Steroids is the treatment and that's your body. Cortisol inside naturally. So you have a brake failure and you have a foot on the accelerator.   [00:20:57] So it's kind of a two-prong problem. So you've got to address both, but by healing your gut, you can work on your cortisol as well.   [00:21:03] So let me interrupt you for a second, because when you said all those things, as I think of this stuff now more in terms of my client than myself, but I did actually have estrogen dominance.   [00:21:15] No, no doubt. I had always low progesterone and I went through years of infertility. So I, I assumed that all of my gut stuff was at the root of that as well as the autoimmune stuff and probably, uh, you know, some thyroid issues.    [00:21:28] Yeah. You know, I think it's, isn't it Louis pastor who said death begins in the colon and I think  it's absolutely true.   [00:21:37] The gut is the center of your body physically. And it's the center of your health. Literally. It has branches to everything. And, you know, I always like to say. I ask people, what's your biggest interface with the external environment? And they say, oh my skin. And I say, no, think again. And it takes them a minute and most people don't get it.   [00:21:58] It's your gastrointestinal tract, cuz you're taking the external environment and you're putting it inside of you into this tube. That seems like it's in you, but it really just passes through and interacts. So it's like an inner skin and it's as big as two doubles tennis courts, the surface area. And so.   [00:22:17] Really that's your biggest ability for the environment to program you? You mentioned genetics, right? That's part of probably five, 10, maybe 20% of our health, but then what turns on those genes? In terms of our epigenetic code and, and food is the biggest programmer of that, that we're putting into our body and think of all the food you eat in the day.   [00:22:41] So I, I wanted to, to touch on something else. You said, well, we were talking about testing and I think you mentioned earlier about that you had SIBO small intestine bacteria overgrowth.    [00:22:53] Yes. What are your favorite tests to diagnose that? And it's such a Gnarly topic for the people who have it. How do you get rid of it?   [00:23:02] You mentioned the migrating motor complex, which a lot of people really don't have that working. So there's no motility going. So can you talk about SIBO?   [00:23:14] I don't tend to use breath tests. I'll start by saying mm-hmm . I tend to use the GI map and organic acids in general. When I see somebody with some type of presentation of bloating and what look like SIBO symptoms.   [00:23:31] Mm-hmm that being said, if. After looking at those and after taking herbal supplements to get rid of bacterial overgrowth, there still seems to be no resolution. I may recommend either the trio smart, especially if I suspect there could be hydrogen sulfide overgrowth, or I might recommend the IBS smart test to see if they have post.   [00:23:57] Infectious IBS to see if they have that autoimmune component and are always gonna be dealing with SIBO. So some people just get this overgrowth, they clean it up once, and they're all good. And then other people like me are going to constantly have to be fighting it. So I have to take something each night.   [00:24:12] A prokinetic. In order to keep things moving in my migrating motor complex and just be conscientious of not eating tons. No, not snacking all day long, letting my intestines empty out completely and periodically have to kind of Rell the bacteria. I have to take antimicrobials, you know, every year, roughly.   [00:24:31] In some quantity when I start to see things getting bloated again. Okay.    [00:24:35] So now the average person listening and probably a lot of the clients that you see and that I see they've been to their regular doctor and they've got this bloating problem. That seems pretty consistent. They're probably not gonna get any of these tests.   [00:24:50] Are they, there are some doctors at this point who will order SIBO, breath tests. That's not unheard of now at this point for GI doctors and some will have heard of, and may be using some, the trio smarter, the IBS smart, because they are, they were developed by an MD who is the expert at, Mark Pimentel.   [00:25:10] Who's the expert in SIBO and who does try and reach that traditional audience or conventional, I should say audience, but typically you'll have to ask for and seek out these more. Specialized tests with somebody who's either practicing functional medicine, a natural path, a health coach, somebody who is mm-hmm, more of a non-conventional expert in gut health.   [00:25:34] Yes.    [00:25:35] And so it sounds like you're describing, which has kind of been my experience too, with people who have SIBO. Some people do recover, and they don't have a problem any longer, but there is a subset of people who this is a very chronic problem. Can you talk a little bit about why someone might suffer with that as a chronic long term condition?   [00:25:57] Sure. So I did talk about. The primary, I guess I think about it as the primary, but I'm not actually sure. In terms of percentages, but I did mention the primary, which is the post infectious IBS, there, incidents of food poisoning, where you have an autoimmune problem, you can also have of course thyroid issues that can contribute to it.   [00:26:17] Hypothyroid, you can have traumatic brain injuries that are causing issues with the vagus nerve and with. Movement in the intestines from that of course infections, diabetes can be a root cause. Mold toxicity. You can have problems with your production of stomach acid, so you can have low stomach acid or hypochlorhydria.   [00:26:41] And that can cause. Overgrowth of bacteria or poor bio flow, uh, lack of pancreatic enzymes or brush border enzymes. There can be deficiencies in your secretory, IGA. If you've been under periods of extreme stress that can reduce secretory IGA, which is your gut immune defense, which is what is killing off these bacteria that are coming in.   [00:27:00] Mm-hmm , you can have medications that you're taking that could be causing problems and slowing your motility, obviously proton pump inhibitors, but also antidepressants. Anti SMOs opiates, narcotics. Then you can also have issues that are physical in nature. So you've had a past abdominal surgery and you could have adhesions for example, that are keeping your intestines from flowing properly endometriosis, which I also had, can be a root cause.   [00:27:28] Alors Danlos syndrome can also cause problems with motility. And then you can have dysfunction of your I valve.    [00:27:35] Yeah. There's such a long list of problems that you can have that can contribute to this. And I think, you know, people listening, I kind of want, because you have such breadth and depth of knowledge.   [00:27:48] For them to really get a good idea of what you, what you know, and what you offer. You have so much information on your podcast. We're definitely gonna give everyone, um, we'll put the link in the show notes to the podcast. And I was just looking at all the episodes you have. I was like, oh my gosh, I wanna talk to her about this.   [00:28:11] I wanna talk to her about that. I want her to share this. I want her to share. And so I think even if you're listening and you're like, oh my gosh, you guys are going way too fast and covering way too much ground. That is information for you to spur your interest, to go watch. Or listen to Lindsey's podcast, cuz she has so much valuable information.   [00:28:32] And then you can select the topics that interest you and you can listen to those. She talks about the FMT, the fecal microbiota transplant as a treatment. And I'm wondering if you could share a little bit about what that is and what it's used for? Cause I don't think a lot of people know that. An up and coming treatment for our GI problems.   [00:28:54] Okay. So FMT in the US is legal only in non-experimental contexts for recurrent C difficile infections, which is very potent bacteria that causes, you know, explosive diarrhea that can kill you and kills. I don't know something like 40,000 people a year. So if you have recurrent C diff, that's not treatable by antibiotics a couple times, then you could, in theory, if you can access it, get a fecal transplant done in a hospital.   [00:29:23] And it's basically taking the stool from a healthy donor and either putting it in capsule format or in ENMA format. And then you get a retention en ENMA of it. And for C diff it's usually just one treatment for other. So in other countries it's legal for other conditions like. IBS or inflammatory bowel disease with different levels of success, given the condition, even for autoimmune conditions, for any number of things, even, even conditions you might think aren't connected to.   [00:29:58] The gut is like ALS or multiple sclerosis. Well, that's autoimmune. So you may think that, but in any case, there are definitely some testimonies on a number of different conditions. So in, in particular, I think I know of clinics that do this in Australia, in the UK, in The Bahamas in Canada. Now I think there's one in Mexico focusing on, on children with autism in particular.   [00:30:23] Oh, and I think there used to be one in Argentina. I'm not sure if that's still there. So around the world, you can do treatments. And typically those will last for two five-day courses, essentially over the course of two weeks during the work week. And, you know, there are just some amazing testimonials of, of, oh, and of course mental health.   [00:30:41] I hadn't even discussed that cuz I have a lot of stories of people with serious mental health issues from bipolar to depression, to anxiety and pan and pan pans and pan, does that have been resolved after fecal transplants? And then of course it's also being used and in a particular, very purified form, that's an experimental form being used for autism.   [00:31:03] So it has the potential to be quite life changing, which is not to say it is for everyone. Uh, there's a Facebook group full of people who have tried it and it didn't help them. So I think the donor quality and just sort of the good match between the donor and the recipient are also important. So it's not always a foolproof thing.   [00:31:22] I. but, but there are for those, for whom it makes a difference, boy, it sure can make a big difference. Yeah. And I think probably some people listening are thinking, wow, that's really radical. Cuz I know when I talk about coffee, ENMA some people just really freak out. they're like what? I'm not doing.   [00:31:39] Putting what in my butt. No. And so when we talk about a fecal transplant via enema, I know some people get freaked out, but you know, if anybody listening has heard any of the recent data or information or knowledge that we have about the microbiome and how key it is for our overall health, you really, for some people could call it almost like getting a brain transplant, cuz your gut is your second brain.   [00:32:04] And. See the podcast episode that you had with the woman who I think she healed herself from bipolar using fecal transplant. Can you talk a little bit about her story?   [00:32:15] So she was in Australia and had bipolar for many years. I think she had probably, I think if I recall correctly, I think there had been suicide attempts.   [00:32:27] She had been in the hospitalized maybe five times with, you know, major depressive episodes. So. It was a serious and ongoing problem for her, from which she would emerge, you know, for periods of time when she could function normally, but mostly couldn't hold down a job. She did get married though, to a wonderful man who also had a wonderful stool.   [00:32:49] And at some point heard about yeah.    [00:32:52] New criteria for finding a partner.    [00:32:55] Absolutely.    [00:32:56] So did I get a stool sample before we seriously? Well, she didn't test it or anything. She just tried it and sure enough. It really worked for her. I think she, I think she did it more intensely at first and then more periodically afterwards, but it absolutely pulled her out of her depressions.   [00:33:15] And, you know, in large part resolved her bipolar. I wouldn't say she said it wa I think she emphasized it. Wasn't like a hundred percent cure, but from what I could hear, it really turned her life around. So she just DIYed it. She DIYed it. Yeah. So there's a lot of people doing that in the US, by the way, they're just finding donors.   [00:33:35] They may or may not be testing 'em I always recommend, of course, if you're gonna consider a donor that you do the full protocol of testing, which involves both blood tests for infectious diseases and sexually transmitted transmitted infections, as well as a stool test to, to make sure they don't have any of the major stool pathogens that you could potentially get.   [00:33:52] Because especially if you're doing it. Reasons related to gut issues. And you're, if you're in fragile health, like, especially if you have any kind of inflammatory bowel disease, you can really mess yourself up. If you bring in a pathogen and your gut is not prepared to fight it.    [00:34:07] Yes. Yeah. I would say, you know, it'd be similar to having sex.   [00:34:11] It's pretty intimate. You might wanna even more so.   [00:34:15] Right. Even more so. Yeah. Wow. So much. And then I was wondering, I saw you had another, a few episodes. I. On colostrum. Yeah. The one with ni not Nike, is that how you say his name and how and breathwork and colostrum that he used to restore his gut. And I was wondering if you could talk about some of that.   [00:34:39] So colostrum is the first milk that comes out of the breast and, or the cow in this case, because if you buy it, you're buying cow colostrum and. It is full of antibodies and transfer factors and immunoglobulin. And in particular, now they're also selling these serum bovine immunoglobulin, which are extracted from colostrums. [00:35:05] So I often recommend those to clients who have serious gut issues, because it just kind of enhances your. Immune system in the gut, without specifically, it's not like an antibiotic, which kind of indiscriminately kills. It's more like bringing in an extra immune system. Mm-hmm . So I often do recommend those powders to people who have something that you don't quite want to hit with an antimicrobial right off the bat.   [00:35:29] So anyway, so in his case though, he used a colostrum to heal his gut. And so it's just, I think it's just a way of bringing in a new immune system to the gut slowly but surely and helping it turn itself around. Yeah, I love them as like, you it's like a supportive, I don't know that it fixes necessarily.   [00:35:47] It's a bandaid and it gives support in the short term and can help promote healing. So I love them. And then I was just interested. For you to also talk about breathwork, which is something that I use in my programs all the time with people. Um, I teach them about the nature of HR V heart rate variability and parasympathetic sympathetic, autonomic nervous system balance.   [00:36:09] And how that really programs your gut, your guts motility. Is that something that you recommend for people?   [00:36:16] I have recommended it to certain people since that podcast in particular. And then since I read the word, the book breath by while I'm in the middle of it by James Nester Yes. So I definitely have gotten more interested in the breath and how it relates to good health in particular.   [00:36:32] Now, if I have a client who snores, I'll suggest mouth taping, mm-hmm . If I have a client for whom. Everything has been tried in terms of diet changes in terms of supplements and antimicrobials. And there's still kind of the root cause of their stress or of their dysfunction has not been identified. I'll really think about breath work and or some other type of practice like meditation or yoga, etcetera, to start reducing stress and just bringing some focus.   [00:37:05] But  I probably have not exploited it to the extent that it could be, because there's always so many different things you can bring in with a client and you don't want to overload them.    [00:37:15] That is so true. And along those lines, I'm wondering if, because we've jumped all over the place, cuz I'm just so excited to talk to you.   [00:37:23] And there's so many things I wanna ask you about and chat with you about, but for everybody listening, can you kind of bring it full circle, maybe using a who comes to mind that maybe had really been suffering for a long time. And who came to you and kind of, what is the process you usually take people through. And what does, what does a gut journey look like?   [00:37:46] for people? So I have such a variety of clients, from people who think they've been suffering a long time because they've had something for a year versus people who've had something for 15 years. And, but I would say, uh, a typical journey might be somebody who comes in with a little more complexity.   [00:38:02] Maybe they have both gut issues and autoimmune issues. Typically, we would just have a first appointment to talk over a complete medical history in the way that no doctor has ever sat and listened to you where I'm gonna totally try and understand all the potential root causes of what has come to pass and how they've ended up where they are.   [00:38:20] And then together we'll decide on what tests fit in based on. What their symptoms are and then what their budget is because obviously not everybody can afford a thousand dollars worth of testing right off the bat. It would be lovely if everybody could, but not everyone can. So we have to be thoughtful about that.   [00:38:37] And then typically we'll get the results back, and then we'll go over those results and all the potential things that could help given what, what was found on the test. And I'll educate them about the protocols that practitioners use to deal with those that's come up, be it some type of dysbiosis or SIBO or overgrowth of candida.   [00:38:57] Or something like the ion profile, we may be looking at deficiencies in amino acids or in fatty acids or vitamins and minerals that can come up on organic acids or on the ion profile. So we'll look at that. And then typically I'm recommending things to them over a period of time because you can't again, throw.   [00:39:15] A hundred supplements at a person at the same time, people can only take so much. I mean, there are, people are just like, give it all to me. I want it all right now but other people are gonna be like, yeah, that's too much both financially and too much in terms of taking pills. So, you know, I'll, I'll explain to them what, what the different supplements the benefits are and what I think in a good order would probably be for doing it.   [00:39:37] And then diet changes, of course, will be recommended based on. What they've already tried, but I find that by the time people get to me, they're usually already eating some version of a paleo diet, or I do occasionally get people who are plant based and I often have to push them towards getting more protein.   [00:39:54] Somehow mm-hmm, potentially moving towards eating some animal protein or some seafood, just because I can see frequent deficiencies, amino acids when that happens. And, it's also very common to see mental health issues in my clients. So if that's the case, then I'm often. You know, educating them about the amino acids that can bring up serotonin and dopamine.   [00:40:16] And you can see the deficiencies of that  on an organic acid test, or you can see actual levels of the amino acids on the ion profile. And then with autoimmune stuff, then we're also looking at supplements that can help reduce inflammation if we've already addressed gut stuff. So typically we'd go through addressing any kind of gut.   [00:40:36] But then after that, if they're still flaring, then we might look at anti-inflammatory supplements, like, you know, fish oil or SPMS, or I get the name of right off the bat. Oh, alpha glyco, ISO Quatrine Soin BAIC or Cuban. Yeah. Curcumin. Right. Those kind of anti-inflammatory things. So over time, you know, I'll educate them about each kind of supplement and how it might play a role in helping them heal. [00:41:04] and yeah, so I'll ultimately see people over the course of five appointments that might take most of a year and slowly but surely help them restore their health and get them at least to a point of stability. There's no magic cure in terms of autoimmune disease. Not everybody's gonna have the results I did because I caught it early enough and there was not so much damage to my thyroid.   [00:41:25] So. You know, you have a certain amount of damage, and it's not gonna be, you're not gonna reverse it, but you may reduce your medication dosages and you may at least get to a point of stability or potentially if, if the client is interested, get off any kind of, you know, steroid medications or. Other autoimmune prescription medications.   [00:41:46] Yeah. Immunosuppressive drugs. Right. I'm curious to know.    [00:41:49] I mean, we're, we're getting short on time. I'm gonna have to let you go, but I wanna know your thoughts on alcohol, cuz my thoughts are not necessarily popular. So I just want to see where you stand on that with gut health. Well, it is toxic. There's no question about that.   [00:42:05] And it does. Kind of go in and cause some damage to gut bacteria. And if you're having guest right and upper GI issues, for sure. It's definitely not helpful. That being said, I can't say I'm a non-drinker, so I'm not, but generally my clients who are really sick are just not drinking in the first place.   [00:42:26] So I'm not having to tell most of them to stay away from alcohol there, but they've already done it themselves. So obviously you want to stay at the lowest levels. You want to be considered a low level drinker, not a moderate level, which unfortunately for a woman is no more than a drink a day. And for men no more than two, up until 65 than one after 65, if I recall correctly.   [00:42:47] And then the other things is that people wanna say, do we all have to stop eating gluten and cow smoke dairy Lindsey?    [00:42:55] We'll typically recommend cutting out gluten and dairy to everybody for some period of time. Now, if I have a very simple case of SIBO that resolves quickly and easily, and the person says, I don't seem to have any problem with gluten, I cut it out, and I put it back in, and I had no difference.   [00:43:12] Then I won't necessarily say you have to cut out gluten. If you have an autoimmune issue, I'm gonna say gluten's gone for life.   [00:43:20] Yeah. I, I generally would agree with that for sure Lindsey, so much great information that you shared today. I know everybody listening has been like, it's a whirlwind Kyrin, you took her all over the place.   [00:43:31] I know, I know guys, but I wanted you to get a sampling of everything that she has to offer. There's so much more, even on her podcast, the perfect stool, which is an amazing name. And great content. You've had some of the same. Yes. I've had Steve Wright and Dr. Gray SL and they're probably more if I continue to look at it, I did wanna ask you about this before we wrap up, you shared, uh, some quotes that you like before we started with me and I just wanna share this one.   [00:44:01] A calorie is not a calorie. And can you tell everyone what that means to you?   [00:44:04] Absolutely. So, number one, I, before I did this, I was. A, an advocate for healthier school food. And one of the things that we fought the most in that particular battle in Montgomery County, Maryland, was to try and reduce the sugar in school food.   [00:44:22] And I remember sitting at a hearing with the state Senate, trying to get a bill passed, to reduce sugar in school food, and having. Former home EC teacher who was a state Senator said, well, a calorie's just a calorie. And I said, no, it is not. In fact, that is a soda marketing campaign to try and convince you.   [00:44:41] You can just go calories and calories out, just exercise more, and you can drink your Coke every day, which I definitely do not believe. So part of the issue with calories is that they're not metabolized the same. So for example, when you eat protein, 25 to 30% of it is. Of the calories of protein is used up just in digesting the protein.   [00:45:01] Whereas it's, it's a much lower number for carbohydrates and fat. So, you know, something like six to 8% of the carbs are used to digest carbs and two to 3% of the fat. So therefore you're getting a lot more calories from your fat and your carbs. And then. You also have different foods and have that have different impact on the body.   [00:45:20] So for example, fructose versus glucose, glucose can be used by almost all your cells. Fructose is going to your liver and ultimately, mostly being stored as fat. So, you know, that's why the whole thing against high fructose corn syrup, not to say glucose is good, but just to say that, that they impact your body differently.   [00:45:37] And then of course you have fiber. So, you know, if you eat a hundred calories of almonds versus a hundred calories of soda, That impacts your body in a completely different way because the almonds have healthy fats, and they have fiber, and that is gonna slow down the absorption of the calories of any sugars, et cetera, that are in the food when you're eating fiber.   [00:45:59] So it just makes a complete difference in which kinds of foods you're eating. A calorie is not a calorie. It's so true.    [00:46:04] And I, I really love to help people understand that a lot of people believe the food that they eat is only about calories. And it's speaking to your system on so many levels. Right.   [00:46:17] Mm-hmm, in so many languages at one time. It's like they're having this international language conference. It's speaking because of its bio force. It's life force, it's PR it's Chi, whatever you want to call it, it's speaking nutrition, right? Certain vitamins, which are not present in soda and in the almonds are of course speaking the fiber language, right.   [00:46:39] Or it's not speaking fiber language. And so about so much more than macronutrients, which are calories. It's about micronutrients, energetic nutrients. And I think that goes to the other quote that you shared with me that I love. I'd rather pay for healthy food now than healthcare later. So one of people's biggest objections to doing this type of work is eating, trying to eat healthy and particularly organic.   [00:47:07] And so talk a little bit about that and then we'll go ahead and wrap up.   [00:47:09] Oh, I just have, I've been of the philosophy since I have tried to turn around my health, that that indeed it is worth it to pay for more expensive organic foods and in particular, and this is a lot of people, they, they think, well, I, I mostly buy organic vegetables and I say, do you eat Pasteur raised meats?   [00:47:29] How about your dairy products? Are they pasture raised? So I don't, I, the only dairy I. Is butter and GE. And so I make sure that those products and, and I know it cost $4 more, a pound for pasture raise butter, but I get it because that's where all the toxins from the body settle into your fat.    [00:47:54] So if you want to maximize your, you know, or minimize your consumption of toxins, then you definitely wanna look for high quality meat and wild cut seafood and that kind of thing not. And then of course, low mercury seafood at that. When you're looking for your animal products, cuz the animals, you know, you think about everything else. It's the build up the entire environment and the plants that builds into the  animal and the protein and the fat.   [00:48:10] So true.    [00:48:14] Thank you so much, Lindsey for joining us today, Lindsey Parsons, we are gonna have links in the show notes. You've got a free E booklet available on your website, finding your root cause through stool and organic acids testing. So I'll have a link over to that.   [00:48:29] We'll have a link to the 30 minute breakthrough session that people can do by phone or video chat. We'll have a link to the podcast also that you definitely wanna check out if you're interested in your health and healing from a root cause. Gut is a huge part of that. So you want to go there and check out the perfect stool so you can have the perfect stool and thanks so much for joining me today.   [00:48:53] Any last words you'd like to leave everybody?    [00:48:54] No, I just wanna thank you so much for bringing me on and for checking out my podcast and recommending it. I really appreciate it.    [00:49:02] It is absolutely my pleasure to have you here, and thank you all for listening today. Thanks for spending a little bit of your day with us.   [00:49:10] Hopefully you have learned something today that you can put into action. This is all about taking action to move your. To the brilliance that it can be. I thank you for joining me, and I'll see you next week until then peace, love and hormones. Y'all thank you so much for listening. I know that incredible vitality occurs for women over 40.   [00:49:32] When we learn to speak hormone and balance these vital regulators to create the health and life that we. If you're enjoying this podcast, I'd love it. If you give me a review and subscribe, it really does help this podcast out so much. You can visit the hormone prescription.com, where we have some free gifts for you, and you can sign up to have a hormone evaluation with me on the podcast to gain clarity into your personal situation until next time.   [00:50:02] Remember, small steps each day to balance your hormones and watch the wonderful changes in your health that begin to unfold for you. Talk to you soon.   Get Lindsey Parsons's free e-booklet: “Finding Your Root Cause Through Stool and Organic Acids Testing.” https://highdeserthealthcoaching.com/newsletter/   30 Minute Breakthrough Session with Lindsey Parsons - by phone or video chat https://calendly.com/highdeserthealth/30-minute-breakthrough-session-by-phone-or-vi-clone   Feeling tired? Can't seem to lose weight, no matter how hard you try? It might be time to check your hormones.   Most people don't even know that their hormones could be the culprit behind their problems. But at Her Hormone Club, we specialize in hormone testing and treatment. We can help you figure out what's going on with your hormones and get you back on track.   We offer advanced hormone testing and treatment from Board Certified Practitioners, so you can feel confident that you're getting the best possible care. 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    Master Your Stress Reset Your Health

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 26, 2022 36:02


    Do you feel like your health is spiraling out of control? Are you struggling to manage your stress and feeling overwhelmed?   If so, you're not alone.   Midlife women are under more stress than ever before, and it's taking a toll on our health. From work to family to our social lives, we are constantly juggling and trying to do it all.   But what if there was a way to reset your health and manage your stress? Dr. Doni Wilson is here to help us do just that.   On this episode of the Hormone Prescription Podcast, Dr. Wilson, a Naturopathic Doctor, certified professional midwife, certified nutrition specialist, and bestselling author of Master Your Stress, Reset Your Health, shares her expertise on how to master your stress and reset your health. She offers practical tips and advice on how to make small changes in your life that can have a big impact on your overall health.   For more than 22 years, she has helped thousands of patients overcome health challenges and achieve wellness by using specific strategies that address the whole body and ultimately resolve the underlying causes of distress. Dr. Doni suffered from migraines for over 20 years, and in the process of solving them, she developed her Stress Recovery Protocol.   Dr. Doni brings awareness to the impact of stress on our health and how it is possible to recover from burnout and become resilient to stress in the media and at public and professional events. You can find her blog, podcast, called How Humans Heal, and her Self C.A.R.E.™ program at DoctorDoni.com   In this episode, you'll learn: How to recover from burnout and become resilient to stress The connection between stress and hormone imbalances Why it's important to get to the root cause of your health problems The different types of stress How stress affects our genetic expression The CARE method of stress recovery How hormones and neurotransmitters influence our stress response And much more!   If you're ready to make some changes in your life and take control of your health, this episode is for you. Tune in now and learn how to master your stress and reset your health with Dr. Doni Wilson.   (00:00): "You can't pour from an empty cup," says Dr. Doni Wilson. She's gonna teach you how to master your stress to reset your health in today's podcast.   (00:10): So the big question is how do women over 40, like us keep weight off, have great energy balance. Our hormones in our moods feel sexy and confident and master midlife. If you're like most of us, you are not getting the answers you need and remain confused and pretty hopeless to ever feel like yourself. Again. As an OB GYN, I had to discover for myself the truth about what creates a rock, solid metabolism, lasting weight loss, and supercharged energy. After 40 in order to lose a hundred pounds and fix my fatigue. Now I'm on a mission. This podcast is designed to share the natural tools you need for impactful results. And to give you clarity on the answers to your midlife metabolism challenges, join me for tangible natural strategies to crush the hormone imbalances you are facing and help you get unstuck from the sidelines of life. My name is Dr. Kyrin. Dunston welcome to the hormone prescription podcast.   (01:04): Hi everybody. And welcome back to the hormone prescription with Dr. Kyrin. Thanks so much for joining me today, where we're gonna talk about mastering your stress to reset your health with Dr. Doni Wilson. It's so true that you can't pour from an empty cup. It's so much of, many of us are living our lives at midlife from an empty cup, wondering why we feel terrible. And our health is tanking. While Dr. Doni Wilson has cracked the code on mastering your stress, which is the key to reset your health. She's gonna tell you all about it today. She is a naturopathic doctor, certified professional midwife certified nutrition specialist and bestselling offer of master your stress, reset your health. For more than 22 years, she has helped thousands of patients overcome health challenges and achieve wellness by using specific strategies that addressed the whole body and ultimately resolved the underlying causes of distress. She suffered from migraines for over 20 years. And in the process of solving this, she developed her stress recovery protocol. Dr. Doni brings awareness to the impact of stress on our health and how it is possible to recover from burnout and become resilient to stress in the media at public and professional events. You can find her blog podcast called how humans heal and her self C a R E program at Dr. doni.com. Please help me welcome Dr. Doni.    (02:31): Thank you so much for having me. I'm super excited about your book. That's already out faster, your stress reset your health, and we're gonna dive into it. I know people hear so much about stress and we can tend to not pay attention when people are talking about it, but I want everyone to really pay attention because here you have a doctor who specializes the, in this and is saying that this is the thing that you need to do to reset your health. How did you come to this?   (02:58): Understanding? It was through life experience. A lot of it really, you know, like, because I, in addition to going through various stresses of my life, like training to be a naturopathic doctor and a midwife and being a mom and running a practice and running a business, you know, but I think a lot of people go through these stresses, right. But it's just that I came through it also with my own health issues. I had migraines for over 20 years, I was getting migraines and these were migraines that would take me out for days. Like I'd be literally in the bed or on the floor. And I would try different treatments, different medications. I tried acupuncture. I tried herbs, I'm trained as naturopathic doctor. So I was like, I'm willing to try anything. And still it wasn't helping. These migraines would just keep coming. And each time it would knock me down.   (03:49): Like, I'd be like, what else am I supposed to do? I can't, how am I supposed to keep going like this in having these unpredictable migraines happening and no solutions. And I think, you know, that's why I relate to a lot of people out there who maybe that's not migraines. Maybe they have some other health issue where they feel like they've been trying and they just are not getting answers and they're not feeling better. And it's just that in my case, because I, of my training and my interest in understanding the human body and willingness, right. I'm willing to do, if it needs to be a diet change, if it needs to be a supplement, if it, what, if it's a test I need to do, I'm like I'm willing to do it. And so I just kept on working on it and I kind of worked on it in isolation actually, honestly, because I felt too ashamed.   (04:41): I, and I think a lot of people feel this way too, when they have symptoms caused by stress, we feel like we're, it's not supposed to happen. We're supposed to be better than that. Right. We're supposed to be able to charge through life and keep up with everything and it's not supposed to affect us. And so I didn't feel like I could say anything cuz I felt embarrassed. And so instead I just worked on it in isolation. I did along the way I was, I was speaking and I was publishing articles and publishing books and say of everything I learned, right? Like what helped. And there were many things along the way, over the past 20 some years where I was like, well, this dietary change made a difference. This approach made a difference. And every time I found something, I would talk about it that way.   (05:26): But I wouldn't necessarily talk about it from my perspective of having migraines. Right? And so only in the past couple years, because I was still getting the migraines, you know, I maybe saw 10% difference or 20% difference or 50% difference. And I was like, but they're still happening. And it was only just a few years ago that I ended up making a whole bunch of additional changes. And the ever since then the migraine stopped that. And one of the major changes I made is I started talking about it and this is why, you know, I'm here talking with you today about it saying if the more we can actually become aware and talk about how stress is affecting us, that's the first step for changing the whole pattern, right? Like get out of silence about it.   (06:16): When you talk about stress, can you define for everybody what you're talking about? Are you just talking about, I have too many things to do on my to-do list. It's never ending. My family makes me crazy. And life just feels stressful. Or are you talking about something else also?   (06:37): Definitely. And I'm so glad you're asking this question. This is one of the questions that when I'm on an airplane, by the way, the person sitting next to me, this is one of the most common questions they ask me is like, what do you mean by stress? You know, cuz they'll ask me, what do you do? And I say, I specialize in stress and they say, what do you really mean by that? And the thing is is that we like the ones you mentioned. We often think about our day to day, psychological stresses, our deadlines, our financial stresses. And these are definitely stresses that affect us. But that's not the only stresses that affects us in the category of stress. I would also include things like lack of sleep. Like when we, you know, last night yesterday, for example, I had to take an early morning flight.   (07:23): I did not get enough sleep. I'm very aware that that was a stress on my body that I'm gonna need to recover from today. Right? But it's the awareness. This was a stress. Also certain foods can be a stress to us, right? If we are consuming foods that are gonna be inflammatory to our bodies, throw off our blood sugar levels, disrupt or cause leaky gut and disrupt our gut bacteria right now, the food we're eating is actually stressing our system. Or another example is toxins toxins, either in the products we're putting on our skin or on our food as pesticides or in our environment, these toxins are also a stress on our system. And so when we look at it from that perspective, a even a injury can be a stress, right? Or a surgery can be a stress like we know from science it's anything that triggers our stress response and causes our body to need to go into a recovery in order to get back to optimal again.   (08:24): Yes. So I hear you mentioning, it's not just psychosocial and this is what I want everyone to hear because if you only think it's that you'll miss. Yeah. The rest of the iceberg under the ice, ,   (08:39): It's a big ice for Gunda there for   (08:42): Right. The chemical stressors I heard you mentioned, which could be foods that you're eating, that you think are healthy, but might be causing you a stress response. It, it could be so many things. It could be something in the deodorant that, that you're using. It can be flying in an airplane itself is stressful. Right?   (09:00): exactly. And so the key is that because a lot of people will say to me, well, can you teach me how to be stress free? And I say to them, that's not my goal. It would be impossible. First of all, because as humans we're gonna have stress. And in fact, we want to have some stress there's stresses that are good for us. Exercise create is a stress that at a certain quantity is good for us. It helps our bodies to be challenged, to grow muscles, you know, and, and use our heart. It's not about eliminating all stress. Really? The goal is how do we understand where the stress is? So just conversation we're having, how do we notice the stresses that we have in our lives and how do we ensure that we have enough to counterbalance it enough? What I call anti-stress to counterbalance the stress so that our bodies can come back to optimal on a regular basis. It's when we, when we don't have enough, anti-stress we get thrown off, right? I know you're familiar with this where we just get, we get burned out. We get, it becomes normal and familiar to feel constantly stressed.   (10:13): Yes. I love that. It's about having enough anti-stress to counterbalance the stress we have. It's not about teaching people how to be stress free. That is a quotable. I love that. Mm-hmm and Donny, you talk about five different types of stress and that's the first time I've heard that. So I'm super excited for you to talk about that. What are the five types?   (10:37): Okay. So this is based on cortisol and adrenaline levels. So let's, this is understanding the stress response. We have a built in stress response system. We have these stress hormones that communicate stress throughout our bodies. We have cortisol, which a lot of people have heard about cortisol as a stress hormone and adrenaline. We want our cortisol adrenaline. Actually, we don't have enough. That's not good either. We need to have just the right amount at a certain time of day under certain circumstances, right? So we need a Al amount of cortisol adrenaline. And so what happens is when we're under this chronic stress that you and I are talking about, our cortisol and adrenaline levels become disrupted either too high or too low. And it's not the same for everyone, but the treatment is different. So here's the thing is a lot, a big mistake I see often is people, maybe they notice they have stress.   (11:34): Maybe they even have their cortisol levels tested. And then they decide I'm gonna take a supplement to help with my cortisol. But if they're not taking the right herbs and nutrients in that supplement to address their specific imbalance, they're not gonna feel better. And I see this mistake happen all the time, right? That all the time they're taking the wrong supplement for this situation. So this is why I'm so standing out and saying, listen, we have different stress type patterns when you're under stress is different than when I'm under stress likely, right? Like, so we need to know are us dress type pattern where your cortisol and adrenaline are stuck in a high mode. In which case we are gonna give specific treatment for that to help bring it back to optimal or our us dress type where your cortisol and adrenaline are stuck in a low mode where they're too low.   (12:30): And now your're functioning with two little cortisol adrenaline. Well, we can address that, but we need to use the right herbs and nutrients that help raise it back up to optimal, right. Or there can also be the opposites. What a person could have high cortisol, low adrenaline or high adrenaline, low cortisol. So it's imp what I found in my, in my practice and in my research is it's so important to know where you are so that we can give you the right treatment. And even then we need the treatment to be specific to your stress type, to be effective. (13:04): Yes. So true. I see it all the time. In fact, someone had, I think reached out to me on social media last week and said something about, I think I have adrenal fatigue is what she said. And I've been taking, she named this supplement, but I don't feel any better was her complaint. And of course I said, well, you need to get tested yeah. Yeah. So talk about like, how do you figure out your stress type? How do you know if you're high, low, low, high everybody's high everybody's low?   (13:34): How do you know? So, and here's the thing is you mentioned the, the NA the word adrenal fatigue. This is a common terminology that's used, but it's really vague. It doesn't tell us anything, right? It doesn't tell us what's going on with your cortisol and adrenaline. So I tend to call it instead. Adrenal distress, adrenals distress means to me, there's some imbalance with your cortisone adrenaline, but now we need to find out what that imbalance is. And I did develop in, in the book, the master, your stress reset your health book, mm-hmm . And on my website, I developed a quiz. You can take where you go through and you, you answer the questions and it tells you likely what your stress type is. So at least your close to, you know, knowing what it is. So you can treat it specifically best is if you can do a test, and this is where we do cortisol testing, but we don't just test the cortisol at one time a day, right?   (14:26): We gotta test the cortisol in the morning when you wake up, when it should be a little higher, and then we're gonna test it in the middle of the day, the evening and the bedtime, when it should be lowest, right? If we only tested one time a day, we're missing a lot of the information. We need to measure it at different times a day, which we can do either in saliva or urine. So people can do this test at home. Like you can spit in a tube at different times a day, or we collect urine at different times of day to measure your cortisol. And then you're gonna know, is my cortisol too low or too high? Or maybe it's even a combination of the two. Maybe you have too low at certain times of day too high at certain times of day, right? Yes.   (15:04): And this, and then we can also measure the adrenaline levels. Adrenaline can be measured in the urine. So this, again, a test you can do at home. So then we actually know what, how stress is affecting you. These are your internal stress messages, and they're not just responding to the stress of today or the stress of yesterday. They're actually responding to the stress of your life and even your parents' life, right? Like this is when we look at your cortisol and adrenaline levels, it's showing us your unique pattern that exists in your body at this point in time, based on your genetics and your stress exposure. And we need that information because then we can actually help you feel better. So if you, like you said, this person said they're taking something, but they don't feel better. That's a clear sign to me that they're probably taking the wrong product for their stress time.   (15:58): Right. And I hear that all the time. I'd love what a couple things you just said, I wanna highlight. So you mentioned that your body's responding to stress, not only that you're dealing with, but of your parents. Can you talk a little bit about that? Cuz I think that's probably foreign to most people.   (16:16): Yeah. It's actually a study show. I mean, we, we look at, first of all, childhood exposure to stress, we know that when we are exposed to, to stress in childhood, which most, all of us had some degree of stress in our childhood that that influences our health throughout our lives. Unless we start doing stress recovery and helping our bodies recover. Right. And not only that, but the studies show that stress that from our parents and our grandparents affects our genetic expression. So it affects how our body responds to stress in this lifetime is so amazing. Right? And I look at it as, I mean, there's always two sides of the coin, right? We could look at it as well. My grandparents went through all this stress or I had all this stress in my childhood. So now I'm doomed to have increased risk of diabetes and dementia and heart disease and cancer. Or you could look at the other side of the coin and you could say, wow, I know my parents had stress. I know I had stress, but I also know that I can do something about it. Starting at whatever point you are in your life, you can make diet changes. You can start doing recovery activities, start addressing your stress type so that you can decrease your risk of health issues going forward.   (17:33): So true. And you mentioned something else about genetics, is that, is that how our trans the stress is transported from generation to generation? Isn't it through the, through genetics?   (17:44): Yeah. Through what we call epigenetics or genetic expression mm-hmm so we, you know, for so long, even scientists were like, we, they thought we were gonna figure out the human genome and be able to match up to every health condition. And we were gonna solve all the health conditions by knowing our genes. Right. We were like, oh, you know, all the genes we're gonna solve everything. And so they ran this huge human genome project and studied all the genes. And when they came out the end of it, they figured out that that was not the case. That actually what's more determinant of our health and our risk of health issues is our stress exposure and our environment . So that says like, okay, yes, of course we have genes and we have this genetic interplay from that we are born with, from our ancestors. However, that doesn't mean it's set in stone. We have every ability to shift that genetic expression going forward and for future generations.   (18:43): Yes. Super important to know. Can you talk a little bit about your care method of stress recovery?   (18:50): Mm-hmm so I use the acronym care to mean clean eating, adequate sleep, recovery activities, and exercise. So these are all daily activities that we can choose, right? And even eating is something we definitely do every day. Sleeping is something we hope we do every day. recovery activities and exercise. There's ways that we can choose each of these areas. That's gonna help us with our stress recovery. And there's a ton of research on all of these areas. This is, I have all the references in the book because I was so interested. I really wanted to see, is it even possible that we should be implementing diet and sleep and exercise and even recover activities like meditation based on our stress type. Like, is there a certain time of day or duration or type of activity, that's gonna be better for someone who has high cortisol, high adrenaline, I call a stress magnet, you know, where, how should they be implementing care versus the person who has low cortisol, adrenaline, who I call blah and blue, how should they be implementing care? And so that's, what's in the book is like, so I want you to be able to know your stress time and then know how to implement your clean, eating, your sleep, your recovery activities and your exercise in a way that matches your body. So your body can actually recover.   (20:21): Yeah. I think a unique approach for each person is so important and I love how you outline the different phases in your book, and you give details on what everybody should be doing. So we'll for sure link to the quiz so they can take it. I do encourage everyone to get the book cuz it's she really, Dr. Donny has done an excellent job of outlining exactly what you need to do, how to know what your stress type is. Three step approach, unique for your situation. So you can kind of sort this out. And I have seen so many people actually who use this type of very structured, detailed information that you offer, fix this without ever having a test.    (21:04): Yeah. It's definitely possible. You can. That's why in the book it's like you could fo literally follow the steps in the book and have such an improvement. And the key here is that, you know, because I know people hear about all different kinds of approaches to health. What I'm doing is I'm looking from a bird's eye view. I'm looking at it as how can we be most strategic about recovering from any health issue? So let's say a person has autoimmunity, right? And we know that autoimmunity is triggered by stress, right? The research says it very clearly, but they don't give you any directions on what to do about it. We just know stress causes autoimmunity. So what we wanna say is, oh my gosh, if there's an autoimmune condition, say Hashimotos or Crohn's disease or rheumatoid arthritis or any other of the hundreds of autoimmune conditions we need, if we really wanna be solving it effectively, we need to be thinking of it from how do we help the body recover from stress so that we can turn off the autoimmunity and the person can then go through their life without having autoimmunity.   (22:10): Amazing. I see it in all the time with my patients, right? Or you name it any other health, even if it's a, you know, even if it's say a blood sugar imbalance or fatigue or anxiety, these are symptoms to me, these are indications that the body is overstressed. And it's trying to tell us that, right? It's giving us symptoms that are saying, it's a stress alarm going off saying some there's a stress signal that's ending up causing these either digestive issues, hormone imbalances, immune related issues and neurological or nervous system issues. That's how it shows up. And so this strategy to me is so important for everyone as an underlying root cause strategy, right?   (22:56): Yes. It's so true. Can you share maybe some stories of clients you work with? You know, most of the women who listen to my podcast are somewhere between 40 to 60, some older, some younger, and invariably they know that stress is affecting their health. Yeah. And I know when it happened to me, when I was in my forties, , you know, late forties and I weighed 243 pounds and I only had enough energy to work and sleep. And I had depression, anxiety. My hair was falling out, no sex drive. I had irrit all about, like I had this laundry list of what I call, right. The laundry list of midlife, metabolic complaints about the effects of stress right here. I was board certified OB GYN. And I know there are women listening right now who are saying like, okay, I get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stress. But how do I know that if this is for me, I'd love, love it. If you could share some stories of some patients that you've worked with, who this they might identify with and say, oh my gosh, that's me. I have those symptoms. I need to take that quiz. I need to read that book.   (24:05): Yeah. Because a lot of times we're kind of functioning and we're not even really, we're like, it's so unusual and familiar. We don't even realize, oh, this, this was caused by stress. Like sometimes it's, it's something like if you're grinding your teeth at night, or you mentioned your hair's falling out. Right. So it could be symptoms like that where you're like, okay, now I've gotta go to get a mouth guard from my teeth because I'm grinding my teeth. I have maybe it's anxiety, but maybe you're not calling it anxiety. Maybe it's like just constant worry. Right? Mm-hmm maybe this worry, ruminating thoughts where you feel like you can't turn your brain off and it's like, you have a long list of things and you never, lot of, lot of times women say to me, I feel like I never get a break. Right. They're running from taking care of kids to, to taking care of, you know, their home, to taking care of their job or their business or whatever they're, they're doing else in their lives.   (24:57): Or even from 40 to 60, like this is where maybe the kids are going to college and now they, but there's always something on your to-do list. Right. You're always like I have this long to-do list. And I feel like there's never time for me. That is a, a sign for me that there, that this is like, okay, we need to intervene. It also can be, as you mentioned, severe fatigue where you feel like you wake up in the morning and you're like, I can't do anything until I've have had like several cups of coffee. And another way it shows up is in the evening, if you feel like you just can't wait for this alcohol. Right. You're like, I know, oh yeah. This and, and not to say that, like, I mean a little bit of coffee's okay. And a little bit of wine or alcohol's okay too.   (25:40): But when it get becomes where we feel like we can't even survive the next day, right. Without this, another cup of coffee or another glass of wine now we're, we're kind of medicating the stress with coffee and wine, right? So we have to kind of be honest with ourselves and say, wait a minute, is this just something I'm enjoying once in a while? Or is this where I'm depending on this for me to get through my day and accomplish these tasks, it can also show up as like I'm thinking of a, a, a patient. I, I was so excited this week. I spoke to two patients who have gone come through my phase 1, 2, 3, this step by step protocol. You mentioned, they're now at phase three and I am celebrating with them. And they're both in the 40 to 60 age range. One of them first came to me with severe anxiety and severe digestive symptoms, like bloating, gas, irritable bowel syndrome.   (26:36): She's like, how am I supposed to do this? She has children. She runs her own practice as well. She's like, how am I supposed to, to do this? I'm constantly. And she was having a lot of cravings. This is another way it comes up food cravings, right? Mm-hmm like your craving sugar, you or your appetite changes. Maybe you feel like you, nothing tastes good. And then you end up just overeating something that, you know, you really don't wanna be eating, but it's the only thing you can decide to eat. Right? And so she was just like, so feeling so awful, she was like, how am I supposed to keep going and keeping up with taking care of my daughters and myself and my family and my home. So she, we did this panel. We've saw that her cortisol levels were com were totally low.   (27:21): Her adrenaline was totally high. And so I guided her through the process. We have to first lower the adrenaline that's high before we can raise the cortisol that's low. And this is a key piece, cuz I think a lot of times people get stuck here. They find out they have low cortisol, but if someone's not checking also their adrenaline levels or knowing that this is the difference between the blah and blue stress type versus the tired and wired stress type and their treatment is different. So if you're treating yourself as blah and blue, but you're really as tired and wired, you're not gonna feel better. You're gonna feel worse. Mm-hmm so we have to first lower that high adrenaline. Once the high adrenaline comes down, then she was like, oh finally my mind feels like it's not racing. Finally. I feel like I can breathe and have a little calmness in my day and I can start. Then you can start to choose some of the selfcare it's hard to choose self-care when you're going, when you, you can't even catch your breath bakes basically. Right.   (28:20): So true.   (28:21): So then she was able to calm enough, but then, then I listen for patients to say to me, okay, the anxiety calmed down now I'm just tired. And I'm like, that's good. Because that tells me you're in phase two, we're ready to support the low cortisol. Then I can start the supplements to raise the cortisol back up to optimal. And you, the person starts to get their energy back and other things start to come back. Right? Libido comes back, digestion starts working again. Skin looks better. Everything starts to, you're like, oh my gosh, I'm back. You know? And we didn't, sometimes we don't even realize we lost ourselves. But when we find ourselves again, we're like, whoa, I was so far off of this. and then what happens is in phase three, this is why it's so exciting when I get to talk to them in phase three is they're like, first of all, they're like, thank you so much. I'm so glad I found you because I couldn't figure this out before. And I've been to all these other practitioners that didn't figure it out. They're like, but they also realize they have this empowerment and, and this feeling of like, now they know what to do to maintain over time. These women say to me, now I know if I'm under stress again, I know exactly what I need to do to get myself back on track before I end up back in burnout again.   (29:38): Yes. And I love the subtitle of the book. So it's master your stress, reset your health, the personalized program to calm anxiety, boost energy, and beat burnout. So I wanna encourage everybody if you're hearing yourself and what Dr. Dami is saying. And you're you thought that you've had it an adrenal issue and maybe you can't afford, not everyone can afford to go to a practitioner and work one on one and have the test and you can get great results with a program like this. And you're hearing the symptoms that you have. I'm definitely gonna encourage you to go take the quiz and read the book and do what she says, because you know, it works. If you're stuck in, I call that the, uh, coffee, wine, tango coffee in the morning to wind up and wine in the afternoon to wind down. That was me in my forties for sure. And I didn't realize I was medicating my, my, uh, stress issues, but now I know better. So I'm gonna encourage you to definitely check it out. And then also I wanted you to just talk a little bit, a little bit about your podcast.   (30:41): Yes, yes, yes. Oh my gosh. I'm so enjoyed having you on my podcast. It's called how humans heal. So you can find it where you usually listen to podcasts. It's also on YouTube. So if you prefer YouTube, just look for how humans heal and you can listen to you. And I talking about what YouTube, I love it. And then yes, my, you can also find it through my website at Dr. doni.com. I have a blog and, and everything there as well.   (31:07): Awesome. Well, I have to ask you, I mean, we have talked about cortisol, which is a hormone. We've talked about epinephrine, neuro epinephrine, which are really hormones. You know, neurotransmitters are just like brothers and sisters to, to hormones, but I would be remiss if I didn't ask you to connect how these hormones and neurotransmitters interact with things like thyroid estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, can you comment on that?   (31:38): Absolutely. And here's the thing is, so when we're, when we're under stress and our cortisol goes either too high or too low, and adrenaline goes too high or too low, they're signaling to everywhere else in our body, including all the hormones. So from thyroid insulin and even ovarian hormones, estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, all the hormones, get this stress. You know, it's like a text message. I think of it. Like they get the text message and they're like, okay, we're in stress mode. Do the stress thing, which the thing is when we're under stress, we tend, it tends to drop our thyroid function. It tends to drop our insulin function. So now our blood sugar goes higher. It tends to drop ovarian function. So now we have less progesterone, estrogen, all, Ew, you're more likely to have PMs symptoms or fibroids or heavy bleeding in general or irregular cycles or menopausal symptoms for that manner.   (32:37): I mean, so many women that I help and I know you do too, in that perimenopausal years, if the cortisol is off balance, you're way more likely to experience perimenopausal symptoms. And yes, we're gonna address the estrogen and progesterone and testosterone and get them balanced. But amazingly, when we get the cortisol and adrenaline balanced, it's so much easier to manage these other hormones because now you're sending, you want your cortisol adrenaline to send a healthy signal to your body so that all of these other hormones can fall in line. As soon as the cortisol goes off, it's like a domino effect, right? It just wipes everything out. And as soon as the cortisol's on track, everybody's lining up and in a, in a nice harmony, you know, so they're talking to each other, these hormones are talking to each other and the more we can balance cortisol, the easier it is to keep the rest of them optimized too.   (33:32): So true. That's why I call her queen cortisol. She, it, she will be served. So I love that you wrote this wonderful book, talking about how to master your stress and reset your health. And that means master your queen cortisol, she will be very happy. Your thyroid will improve your insulin. Blood sugar will improve. Your sex. Hormones will improve. Like everything gets better.   (33:54): So everything gets better. So, and to me, it's like, it's the ultimate multitasking, right? We always, we kind of like multitasking, but sometimes when we're multitasking, we're inefficient. Right. But to me, this is a good way to multitask because by optimizing your cortisol, you're fixing so many other things, right? So it's like, Simplify it all.   (34:16): It is. It's literally like having the cleaning lady come to your house and clean your house. So you don't have to worry about it. Just do the one thing. Yeah. Thank you. and Dr. Doni for joining me, thank you for this wonderful resource for men and women. I really appreciate it. And thank you so much for joining me today.   (34:34): You're welcome. Thank you for having me.   (34:36): And thanks to everybody listening. Thanks for joining us for another episode of the hormone prescription podcast with Dr. Kyrin. I want you to not just have this information and have learned something. I want you to actually take this information and implement it in your life. So go to the show notes, click, take the quiz, check out Dr. Doni's podcast. It is amazing. She has fantastic guests. You will learn a lot and go get your master, your stress, reset your health book and start taking action today. And then think about all the ways that your life is gonna improve. Once you get this under control, share it with me on social media, what you are doing, what actions you're taking and look forward to hearing about it. And until next week, peace, love and hormones. Y'all   (35:22): Thank you so much for listening. I know that incredible vitality occurs for women over 40. When we learn to speak hormone and balance these vital regulators to create the health and the life that we deserve. If you're enjoying this podcast, I'd love it. If you give me a review and subscribe, it really does help this podcast out so much. You can visit the hormone prescription.com, where we have some free gifts for you, and you can sign up to have a hormone evaluation with me on the podcast to gain clarity into your personal situation until next time, remember, take small steps each day to balance your hormones and watch the wonderful changes in your health that begin to unfold for you. 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